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From: cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Thumb Callouses (was: Leaving 10 pins)
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:12:19 GMT
Organization: A Suffusion of Yellow

In article <wperz.4.715285949@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu>, wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz) writes:
|> 
|> A question:  When I throw several games, 15-20 a session is not uncommon,
|> I notice inflamation at the base of my thumb.  This turns into a callous,
|> which invariably gets ripped off the next session and I have to quit for
|> a few days.  Now, I have tried ye olde beauty bar to file away the callous
|> and keep it smooth, but to no avail.
|> 
|> Does this sound like the thumb-hole is the incorrect size, the span is off,
|> or some other variable - trying too much crank.

This same thing was happening to me recently.  The other symptom that I had
was that the ball hurt like hell the first two or three times that I threw
it during every session, and then it would ease up.  I was attributing it to
"tightening" and "stretching" of my hand.  I was wrong.

I explained the symptoms to the person at the pro shop when I got my last
ball.  He had me hold the ball for him, show him where the callous formed,
etc.  He told me that it was a very a minor problem with the pitch in the
thumb hole, and he backed it off about a 1/16 of an inch.  I haven't had the
slightest problem since, no pain, no callous.  And my new ball is 2 pounds
heavier than the one that was hurting so badly.

+--------------------------------------------------+
|Dave Cochran, Data General Corporation, RTP, NC   |
|cochran@dg-rtp.dg.com                             |
+--------------------------------------------------+
|What to do I find it hard to know. The road I walk|
|is not the one I chose.   -Yes                    |
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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Leaving 10 pins
Organization: GTE/SCSD
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:29:21 GMT

	One other solution to 10 pins that I have found to work is to
back up on the approach about a half step.  The ball gets down on the
lane sooner (saying you don't loft it further to compensate) and the
ball will get another half turn before getting to the pocket.  You can
also try moving your mark in a little (2 board increments) and move on
the approach 1 board right.  This tightening of the line will also help
reduce the angle to the pocket and might help you carry better.  Good
Luck... 

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com
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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: What happens after a 300?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.214659.12548@hspice.portal.com> gregw@.hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe) writes:
>Just what does happen after you bowl a 300 game (apart from
>drinks all round and that stuff :-)  Assuming you are bowling
>in a sanctioned league, when are the lanes tested for "correctness",
>and when do they check your ball and so on.  What would stop someone
>from using an illegal ball, then substituting when it had to be
>checked.  What happens if you roll a 300 in the first game of
>the night under legal conditions, and they then change during
>the course of the night and become illegal.
>
>Enquiring (and aspiring) minds need to know!

What was once a problem is no more under the "System of Bowling" lane
conditioning proceedure.  The lane condition must pass a pre-inspection
before they are considered sanctioned.  Then, local associations will do
occasional random spot checks to assure that centers aren't trying to
wall up the lanes during the interim.  So, should you shoot an honor
score on SoB lane conditions, the score passes automatically -- no
more post-inspection.

All that's required on the honor score form is the type of ball and
its serial number.  So if the ball is somehow illegal, it doesn't
matter; probably no one knows anyway and no one checks, either.
You _could_ say anything you want.

The "old days", an official would have to come out and post-check the
condition, pins, and other tolerances.  If the condition somehow
changed for the better during the course of the night, you were SOL,
because the determining condition was the ending condition, not the
starting condition! (...ask Tish Johnson about this!)  But, if an
official couldn't make it out before noon the next day, the center had
the right to recondition (re-oil, strip, whatever...). 

>
>On a related note, are "Pro's" more impressed by 300 games or
>800 series?  Obviously one doesn't bowl an 800 every night,
>maybe only once a year, but would lots of 300's beat a couple
>of 800's?
>

I think every bowler is more impressed by an 800 rather than a 300.
I'd guess that *every* pro has bowled a 300 at some time or another,
but probably not the same case for 800's.  An 800 is more difficult,
but I feel there's more pressure with a 300.  What?  I'll explain:
an 8 can be done in many ways; you can even have up to 4 open frames
in a three-game set and still shoot 800+.  But a 300 can be done in
only one way -- 12-in-a-row during a single game.  Do you feel
pressured with a long string of X's?  It's a tangible thing, because
you and everyone else can see your string.  Often, league/tournament
bowlers won't even realize an 800 has been shot until after it has
been done.  But no matter which one gets shot first, the other becomes
more difficult!
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: just curious...
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:08:36 GMT


I'm just curious..I'm wondering what are the popular balls in your
area..

In this area the most popular balls are (not in particuliar order):

The Rhino Pro (both black and purple)
Black Sumo (the favorite it seems)
Black Phantom (although dying out fast)
Any kind of Hammer (everyone has atleast one)
Turbos (same as the Phantom, dying fast)
U2 (ALOT of people swear by it)
BUD II (U2 clone)
Shark  (still a few diehards that love it)

Obviously from the list above you can assume most of
the houses here are _wet_.
-Aki
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From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: just curious...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 21:36:49 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>I'm just curious..I'm wondering what are the popular balls in your
>area..
>-Aki
Hammer (Dull blue and red)
Rhino
(note: these two make up about 80 percent of what I see)
see a few Phantoms here and there and a few U-dots, and ONE xcalibur, same
guy has a purple Nitro
have never seen a Rhino pro, Shark, or Bud II
Hope your arm heals soon!
Walter
*******************************************************************************
As an aside, I attended a lecture by a professional ball driller (Who lectures
on a "circuit") & he said that only 20% of the bowlers bought the Phantom, &
only 1% were able to use it effectively (Very strong & fast men) so, it's being
taken off the market.  I did see a Bud II, but it was a cut-away version -cool!
Nitros, Hammers, Turbos & Rhinos seem to sell best in the Bay Area.  These are
for the league bowlers...
TAN to AKI:  I *know* of your dad, & can see his bldg., but I've never been
over there to talk to him.  I'm a support group, & his group doesn't need our
support! :-))  Pamela
From: koker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott T. Koker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: getting information on being a pro
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:11:13 GMT
Organization: UB


    I am posting this in regards to AKI if I remember right. My name is Scott 
 Koker and I just found out about this awesome bowling bulletin board. I've 
 been bowling for 15 years and have 18 300's (sanctioned and tournament play)
 and 2 800's both sactioned (810&855). I am thinking about going pro once I 
 graduate from UB in NY. I would like to get the Information on becoming a PRO.
 I know some of the qualificatons, but I want to know everything. I buy alot of bowling balls and travel to alot of the major scratch tournaments, so I feel 
 that this Info would be great.

 see ya later and keep rippin racks,
scott koker (university of buffalo, NY)
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Leaving 10 pins
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:10:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.184453.8811@hspice.portal.com> Greg Widdicombe,
gregw@.hspice.portal.com writes:
>I left four solid 10 pins that game, I mean *really* solid 10's,
>with the 6(?) pin flying over the neck of the 10.  How should
>I adjust to carry the 10 pin?  Was it just bad luck, or should
>I have tried to change the angle into the pocket?
>
ahh..the dreaded ten pin.  (I assume you are right handed).  The ten
pin is probably the most common pin a right handed bowler will
leave.  The two most common reasons you will leave
a ten pin are (1) the angle of the ball hitting the pocket
(too severe) and (2) the house just sucks.
Since (2) is prevalent even when you are AREN'T leaving ten pins,
I assume your problem is probably (1).  Try moving more to the
RIGHT, apply more lift and less fingers on your release.  This
will make the ball roll more true with less radical break
at the back end, this will make the ball "push" through the
pocket instead and blowing the pins out.  The more pins
spinning on the deck, the better chance you have of one of
them hitting a pin still standing.  Remember most houses leave
the outside 5 boards alot drier than the inside boards, if you
keep away from the 5 board out (say shoot for the 7 board) you
will find the ball breaks less radically and you will get better
pin count.
If that doesn't work...try a 12 ga shotgun and a spotlight (works for 
me!) ;-) ..
good luck and let me know if it works!
-aki
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: new balls
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:37:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.131716.24774@europa.asd.contel.com> Larry King,
king@ssvax.gte.com writes:
>	Thanks for the offer of posting the equipment Aki.  It can be
>really helpful at times, thats for sure.  Sorry to hear about the
>shoulder.  You should probably let it heal and not worry as much about
>the tournament.  This past may I had a bad accident which dislocated my
>knuckle of my index finger (bowling hand).  I can't bowl rightie again.
>I was averaging 204 rightie, now I am average 150 lefty.  I hope to pick
>it up.  Maybe we will be able to talk about equipment once the arm
>strength is 100% and I need some new equipment for the left hand.  Good
>Luck in your recovery.  Cya...
>

150 LEFT handed?  That's *GREAT*!...I can't even break a hundred
with my left hand.  One time many years ago, we all pot bowled
a game left handed (there was four of us).  I think I bowled
somewhere around a _30_!.....I laughed so hard I almost split
a gut!

good luck!
-Aki
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From: aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject: Re: money leagues in the UB-Buffalo areas?
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:29:50 GMT

In article <BtMn4J.M0u@acsu.buffalo.edu> v060p9rr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT) writes:
>
>        Me and a couple of friends are really interested in any leagues that 
>offer jackpots.  If you catch wind of one or know of a tournament in the 
>Buffalo area, please drop me a line.
>
>
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sorry don't know much about the buffalo area, except that the Bills
haven't got a chance against the Redskins! ;-) ....

-Aki

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From: aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject: Re: RCI SCHOOL (YABA COACHING SCHOOL) A COMPLAINT
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:25:10 GMT

In article <92244.53227.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>a plastic chair from 9am to ???(3pm for me) watching tapes.  I did get a
>lot out of the tapes, but in that format, the YABA could've easily just
>rented it out to the interested parties, & from the comfort of our homes
>(& a rewind available) we could've learned more, without the expense of
>hotel rooms & wear & tear & gas with our cars!  So, I'm not RCI certified,
>but I am wiser.  I want to be able to help the "kids" be the pros of the
>future, but I'll wait until there is a different school available...sigh
>
That sounds OUTRAGOUS!  You have every right to complain!  If I were
you, I'd try rounding up as many of the students as possible and
draft a letter of protest.  Outline _exactly_ what you expected from
the course, the schedule deviation, and the quality of instruction
you received.  At the very least they should respond and give you
a refund, at best maybe they will rewrite the class and get living
breathing _people_ in there for question and answer sessions.  If the
course is going to be 5 or six hours, why don't they break it up
into a two day course (e.g. films one day, practical application/
questions the next)?
BTW, I can't tell from your address if you are in the Sunnyvale area,
just out of curiousity, my dad works at Lockheed M&S in Sunnyvale,
I'm curious if you might know him (Ken Damme)???

-aki

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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Excaliber..good bad?
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:42:27 GMT


I've had alot of e-mail about my bashing of the
X-caliber ball and I thought I might clarify my
feelings about that particuliar ball.

When I first purchased the ball it was _really_
new out on the market, infact it wasn't even
being sold in the pro shops yet so I had no
frame of reference on how the ball would
react.  The only thing I knew was that the
ball had a "new" type of surface on the ball
that made it very sticky to the touch.  In
fact it reminded me of the days when people
used to "dip" their ball to make it that way.
This was obviously the intent Nu-Line had
when the manufactured the ball.
(BTW it was the pearl X-caliber).  When I
first looked at the ball, I just couldn't
believe that a ball that shiny could break
like the brochures said it would but what
the heck I'd give it a try.
I drilled it out over the label, no fancy drilling,
just finger inserts and a slight positive pitch
on the thumb ( 1/8 ").  
When I threw the ball I threw it out over the five
board letting it ride out to the two.  About 3/4 of the way
down the lanes it was like someone had  *kicked"
the daylights of the ball and it make an extremely
radical left break into the pocket.  I thought
I found God! 
Unfortunately I found out one _really_ bad
trait of the X-caliber.  IT DOES NOT LIKE OIL.
One patch of oil and that baby slides like it's
on ice, no break, no turn, no nothing.  Where you
drop it, it stays.  So...if the lanes are dry it
breaks like crazy, if it's wet _at_all_, forget it,
that ball acts like it's make of concrete.
Additionally, after about three weeks of trying
to use that ball, the shell started to deteriorate
and I mean DETERIORATE.  I checked with my
friend who owns the local pro shop and he said
ALOT of people for trading in their X-caliber for
the same reason.   I eventually got rid of the
ball since it just wasn't reliable, was wearing
out fast and since the houses here are generally
oily, was totally useless for me.  THAT's why
I don't like the X-caliber.  OBTW, I tried to
put a shine on it via putting in a ball polisher
for over _30_ mins..no change the polish does
not stick that wierd surface...strange ball...

***************************************
-Aki                                     
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
****************************************
"How come the best ball for me is always the
one I don't own?"
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From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Subject: Looking for Mixed League Openings in Ann Arbor/Saline/etc.
Organization: UMCC - Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: mi
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:11:33 GMT


Greetings Bowlers of the Greater Ann Arbor Area:

  Looking for some other teams to join with for a mixed league or perhaps
start one up with. I can come up with 2-4 teams, maybe more.

  Anyone have any leads? Thanks.

Al - alb@ais.org, alb%cod@aaaca1.sinet.slb.com
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Shit! I've REALLY done it now!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:32:06 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
> 
> Well guys (opps and ladies who may be reading)....
> 
 ** Deleted the good stuff... (even about the cute Doc)


From experience.... I have a torn rotar cuff..  I used to play softball 
year round and throw in the low 80's...  I had to have surgery in May of
1990 to try to fix it... Today I am still in pain and have had it pop out
when I try to get some good hook on the ball.  

What not to do...  basically don't do much... I did far too much and never 
let my shoulder heal (helped someone move the day after surgery... commitments
ya know...)  they had me go through some physical torture to see if that would
help... it didn't.  I am to the point where I can't really raise my arm 
over my head without a nice batch of pain.  I have seen a reduction in the
amount of games I can throw since I too made a foolish mistake and played
softball... (helped coach and play in the special olympics... I am a sucker
for that stuff)  I put my arm in a sling when it starts to hurt to keep it 
from moving.  You might try this.  Otherwise I would suggest not bowling at 
all until the tourney.  It is going to hurt when you do, but you might last
longer.  

Also...don't do the surgery unless your committed to not doing anything 
for 8 weeks...or you will end up like moi...  (but at least I am having
fun  :-) )  I can't blame the surgeons either, I went to a clinic that
does all the stuff for the 49er's and other pro sports in the California
Bay area and they are highly recommended...


> :-(
multiply this about 100 times...

good luck,

Dave
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: The Ballad of Del Ballard
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In article <1992Sep1.160513.11753@hspice.portal.com> Greg Widdicombe,
gregw@.hspice.portal.com writes:
>... and so on ...
Oh man you cannot BELIEVE the ribbing ole Del got about that
channel shot...he still can't live it down...there's still alot
of guys in tourneys that pray they don't throw a Del shot..
heh heh..

-aki
From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Leaving 10 pins
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:32:29 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug31.180611.8396@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:

>Dave "I really hate 10-pins" Fleck

Add me to the list of 10-Pin haters.

I am new to this group, and have very much enjoyed the topics.

A question:  When I throw several games, 15-20 a session is not uncommon,
I notice inflamation at the base of my thumb.  This turns into a callous,
which invariably gets ripped off the next session and I have to quit for
a few days.  Now, I have tried ye olde beauty bar to file away the callous
and keep it smooth, but to no avail.

Does this sound like the thumb-hole is the incorrect size, the span is off,
or some other variable - trying too much crank.

The ball is a Pearl Blue hammer 16lb drilled with label weight.  I recently
have changed to much more of a down and in shot (10-6), from a crank (27-
10) with a cocked wrist and elbow, and have had wonderful results.  Any 
thoughts on this would be appreciated.


Ta Ta For Now

Walter
From: pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: House Closings and Oiling Patterns
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:42:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: pktst@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu


As to bowling center closings, there hasn't been any major houses
closed in the Pittsburgh area as far as I know.  I personally bowl
at Princess Lanes (watch in october on ESPN- ladies pro tour
is going to be there).  The lane conditions there vary so
much day to day, mostly because of the synthetic lanes. And they
don't strip the lanes every day, which creates major oil carry-down,
which makes the lanes difficult at times.  The easiest lane
condition there are usually caused by lack of oil (in the summer, they
usually don't oil the lanes between thursday and sunday or monday-but
in the fall I don't expect that to happen, since the house is jammed
packed with leagues monday-saturday).  My favorite conditions to
bowl on are just after they are stripped and oiled.  There tends
to be a good shot outside of the second arrow, but you can't swing
the ball to much, unless you wan't it in the channel (oiling patterns
are not the typical "short oil"-and the ball just slides on the synthetics).

On a different subject, has anyone else purchased the purple Rhino Pro?
If so, how is it reacting on the lane conditions?  My ball tends
to do horrible on dry lane (which is why I switched to a pearlized Rhino),
really good on medium conditions and lanes with dry backends, but
doesn't do that well on heavy oil with lots of carry-down (use a
Columbia U2).

just some thoughts...

mike thompson
From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: The excaliber
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:14:21 GMT
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: mahunt@c00378-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu


I heard this is the hottest ball on the pro tour.
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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Bowling Honor Roll
Organization: GTE/SCSD
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:57:21 GMT

	Sure, why not.  It is good to hear about how others are doing
plus you know that your peers will respect it.  Could have used that
last year when myself and my partner Larry Holt shot 1511 scratch for a
3 game doubles set.  We shot 576 the last game.  I shot 298, he shot
278.  We both had the first nine.  I tried to explain to people where I
work what we had done but they just didn't understand the significance.
BTW - 1511 is a new state record for NH.  The previous best was 1508. 
Unfortunately the 3rd highest doubles combined was 1546 down in NJ and
the top was 1643(!!!) shot also in NJ. 

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com
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