From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric)
Subject: Re: $1,000,000 BET, ELGHANI VS ERIC PERLMAN, interesting (was: Terrorism)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 19:46:10 GMT

In article <1992Feb27.035816.2602548@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
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>	*  ERIC PERLMAN's REPUTATION AFTER THIS REACHED THE GUTTER  *
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>
>ERIC OWES ALL OF THE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE AN APOLOGY. THIS PROVES 
>THAT HIS SUPPLIED INFO IS OUT OF FEELINGS AND NOT OUT OF FACTS. 

First of all, I'm not the betting sort.  I also don't have $1 million to
put on the line if I were wrong (and I'm pretty sure I'm not)

Let me remind you, John:  I provided a source, the critically acclaimed
book "Inside the PLO" for my information.  You've provided assorted
allegations, stuff from memory, and hearsay, in general.  How about a
source?

>READ BELOW.
>
>
>In article <1992Feb26.015804.9606@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric) writes:
>>In article <1992Feb25.234124.2600515@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>>
>>Not true.  The PLO was thrown out of camps such as Nahr al-Bard in 1982
>>during the Israeli operation there.  You obviously need to do some of
>>the same reading Khaled does.  Of course, knowing your reputation on
>>this net, that shouldn't be surprising - and let me just say that that
>>reputation is anything but sterling.
>
>
>ERIC, I bet you $1,000,000 that my info is correct and yours is dead wrong.
>Israel never reached Tripoli where Narh Al-Bared is in 82's invasion. 

John, first of all, I know quite well that Nahr al-Bard is a few miles
outside Tripoli.  However, I have also pointed out that it was a common
target for Israeli bombings because it was a training center for both
Fatah and the PFLP.  Therefore, while ground operations did not directly
reach Nahr al-Bard, the air operations did quite frequently.  Your
statement therefore falls.

>The PLO split around 1984 and fought against each other, then the Arafat
>side was expelled to Tunis and the other syrian 1/2 of the PLO continues
>till today in Nahr Al-Bared and Al-Baddawi and never left it. 
>
>Not only that, other refugee camps near Baalbak remained under the control 
>of the PLO as well after 1982.

While there were splits in the PLO after the Israeli operations in
Lebanon, Fatah abandoned its training facilities in Nahr al-Bard during
its withdrawal from Lebanon.  It has since relocated them to Tunis.
Some of the smaller factions (Naif Hawatmeh's DFLP comes to mind) have
remained in Lebanon, but their strength is nowhere near 1/2 the PLO's
main factions like Fatah.  And to my knowledge, since 1982, Nahr al-Bard
has not been used as a Fatah and PFLP training facility as it had been.

>Eric enough lies on this net.  Eric you owe me an apology, I am right
>and you are dead wrong, I bet $1,000,000. You better not chicken out
>and show that you are a whimp.  Face the truth.
>
>AFTER THIS LETS SEE WHOSE REPUTATION IS IN THE GUTTER ERIC.

John, I've presented facts, and a widely acclaimed source to back them
up.  I don't like arguing about reputations, but I think this one just
blew up in your face.

I don't have any intent of either paying or collecting the $1,000,000,
by the way - I doubt you have it either.


-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman  <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> or <eric@lyra.Colorado.EDU> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder

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After this message, John Elghani posted his response, claiming that I
chickened out.  That completely ignored the fact that I had refuted his
challenge completely.  Here was the message, from the very next day,
which he claims he has never seen.  Very frankly, I don't believe him,
and strongly suspect he's lying on this too.

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