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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Custom Insoles
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:37:57 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <l9z108=@rpi.edu> halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu writes:
>Does anyone have any insight on custom fit insoles for boots? The guy
>I deal with highly recommends them. 
>
>Any comments ASAP would be greatly appreciated as it looks like I'm
>my new boots on Monday.

Pushing your luck posting on a Friday for an answer by Monday, and this
is probably too late, but ---

I got a set of those heat-moulded insoles for my boots a couple of
years ago, and they were absolutely magic.  No more sore spots on the
bottoms of my feet, and I feel like they give me better control.  (No,
I don't sell them, I just use them.  They're great.)

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From: kimata@convex.com (Hiroki Kimata)
Subject: Ski area near Bakersfield,CA?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:28:04 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I'm planning to visit my friend in Bakersfield,CA end of January.
We'd like to go one-day skiing. Since this is first winter for him 
there,he has no idea where to go. According to map,there seems to be
some ski area near there.
If some kind soul can recommend which to go,
I'll greatly apreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

Hiroki Kimata

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: warrenl@sco.COM (Warren Levy)
Subject: Re: Waterproofing ski apparel???
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:04:41 GMT


In article <1e0mvhINNdci@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech) writes:
>	It seems a pair of ski shell pants I bought a few years ago has lost
>it's water resistant capabilities to a certain degree over time.  I believe
>the pants were orginally factory treated with some special water resistant
>chemical.  Is there an inexpensive spray I can purchase to use on these pants
>to restore their water resistant capabilities?  I've seen CAMP Dry which is
>I believe a silicon based spray but this stuff stinks! (smells bad!)  Can
>anyone recommend some type of treatment???  Thanx!

I usually just buy a can of Scotchguard from the local supermarket/drug store.
It's an aerosol can (red & white, I believe) and is often found with other
cleaning supplies like laundry soap.  I spray it on according to the directions
and it works very well at repelling water.  Do the spraying outside or in
a very well ventilated area because of the fumes/smell.  It's probably very
similar to the CAMP Dry you mention (except maybe for price).  Check it out.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: WHAT IS COVERAGE AT WHISTLER????
Summary: WHat is the coverage at WHistler
Keywords: whistler
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:34:05 GMT

Whistler has announced its opening this Wednesday, 11/25.

Does anyone know what the coverage is on their trails and
how much of the terrain they intend to open?

I get a pretty good run around over the telephone with
whomever answers......:(



********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

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Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:46:58 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pittsburgh area: Seven Springs Open


SW PA, Seven Springs skied today...It was nice that the conditions were
better than I expected from the phone advertising...I was astounded that
they opened today - last week was really warm... I believe this is a 
couple of weeks earlier opening date than last year! 

....Down at the Springs, it was cold as hell, snowing, and flat light
most of the time...they only had the quad going so it took forever to get
up the hill....conditions alternated between ppow, ice and wet...in short,
it was great...what'd ya think I was gonna say?

You gotta love skiing in Southwestern Pa this time of the year...After
reading about everybody skiing in the rockies and CA...It was particularly
satisfying to do the first of the season noodling around...and it was
sunny and pleasant for a fair bit...and there was some natural snow too!

Springs snow number is once again 1-800-523-7777.....Just to be fair
Hidden Valley (the PA one nearby) was going to try to open next weekend.
Their number is 1-800-443-SKII. Anybody know about Blue Knob, Whitetail,
Wisp, W NY areas like Holiday Valley or E Pa areas?

Looks like the start of a great season!

H
From: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Winter Park trip
Date: 16 Nov 1992 10:05:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I will be in Winter Park Dec 11-15. Any netters who wl be there and
want want to say hello drop me a note & I'll let U knw where I'll
be staying.

Single males 35-45 especially welcome. :)

See ya on the slopes!

Regards
Sandy
From: mos@gasco.com (Mark O'Shea  x1527)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Steepness
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:41:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Nov23.154122.20619
Distribution: usa
Organization: NorthWest Natural Gas Company, Portland Oregon.
Originator: mos@cetus


In article <1992Nov19.015723.16466@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.195849.10259@netcom.com> brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette) writes:
|> >...
|> >Name of Run       Where                   Percent Grade          Degree Slope
|> >
|> >The Headwall      Tuckerman Ravine, NH        116%                49   degrees
|> >Great Scott       Snowbird, UT                 98%                44.5 degrees


Please excuse my apparent ignorance.  I thought that the percent of a grade
was the number of feet down divided by the number of feet forward, ie, a 6% grade
is 6 feet down per 100 feet forward.

The numbers above tell me 1. I am mistaken or 2. they use a different scale
for ski slopes.  Can someone tell me which.

Thanks,
Mark O'Shea
From: er29+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric M. Rehder)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Pittsburgh
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:09:25 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm looking for some info.
I'm living in Pittsburgh, and I'm planning to go skiing.  The only place
I've heard of near Pittsburgh is Seven Springs.  Can anyone(everyone)
tell me what else is near by.  I'm looking for a mountaing with good
Black Diamond and Double Diamonds.  I will be skiing on a weekday in
December.  

I want ski resorts, lift lines lengths, and any ski conditions.


                                                Eric
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sepg1545@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Eric Peterson)
Subject: What happened to Ski report
Summary: What happened to ski report
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:44:22 GMT
Keywords: Ski report

I used to check the ski report that was kept at ncardata.ucar.edu regularly.  They seemed
to have stopped updating it on t9th of November.  Does anybody know why, or where
the updated reports are.??
.
.
From: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Transplanted from Colorado to Cleveland...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 08:59:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) says:

>In article <13756@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>...a few months ago, and now wondering what skiing sites
>>there are within, say, 3 or 4 hrs' drive from Cleveland?
>>Any recommendations?
>
>You poor, poor man.
Dont knock it if you havent tried it!

At least we dont have the traffic gridlock, serious pollution
and water rationing that is found on the west coast.
And just  think. I can afford a house with a few acres of land
and a nice car (or two). Not so if I lived out there.

For your info...
Sandy


>
>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
>carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
>213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
>
From: dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: we've got more snow than you!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:21:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.201819.7952@u.washington.edu>, 
davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale) writes:

> Neener neener neener neener!!!!
> 
> All you poor fools in other parts of the U.S. talk about getting snow?  We
> have 60" at Paradise on Mount Ranier, and the skiing is great!

Yeah, true.

But we have a few more runs and ski areas to choose from than that one open 
"ski area" in Washington State!

An ex-Washingtonian that got tired of skiing in the rain,

-Dan Wing, Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver (DGW11)
 Internet: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU, or DWING@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
 BITNET:   WING_D@UCOLMCC, or DWING@CUDENVER
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Steepness
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:15:51 GMT

In article <122930216@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
(John Byrnes) writes:
>Therapy START:
>I'm always annoyed when someone asks me where I went skiing, and I say 
>"Cameron Pass", and they reply, "Oh, you mean Cross Country..." in this 
>tone of voice that implies "that's not *real* skiing".
>Therapy END.

That's how I viewed that SURVEY that was posted about resorts.
Nothing wrong with them, but they aren't all of skiing.
Between that and the shouting match with Norway, I just laugh! 8^)

What me describe my favorite runs?  You have to be kidding.
That stays between friends.

Ski Vail.							3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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  Scientific Programming
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: Weather Channel Ski Reports!
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:46:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.142403.21757@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Why, O why, did last night's Weather Channel ski reports mention
|> a)Vermont
|> b)New Hampshire
|> c)Maine
|> and
|> d)Seven Springs along with e)Boyne Mountain, just to say the last two
|> weren't open yet?
|> 
|> Did the San Andreas slide all the way east to Kansas, and go Ka-Boom?
|> Did the entire Rocky Mountain chain (along with those Midwest areas that
|> have been open for weeks 8-) fall off the face of the earth?
|> 
I agree. The Weather Channel has always exhibited a strong East Coast bias,
but this year it seems even worse. You watch for half an hour while detailed
radar maps of the Northeast are laboriously described. When they finally get
around to the national radar picture, the announcer stands right in front of
California ...
- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
From: mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Boycott Colorado Ski Resorts!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:03:17 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.


                Ski OREGON! Great skiing without the back talk!
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Please! Name our ski team
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:57:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

How about "Sidecuts are for wimps". That was suggested and maybe even used
by a friend of mine in the Wachusetts Mtn corporate league a few years ago.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: re: Norwegian Wood
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:49:08 GMT

In article <atlef.9.722311319@dhhalden.no> atlef@dhhalden.no (ATLE FJOGSTAD) writes:
>#3. Perhaps they know who invented this sport, because Tuborg is Danish.

Score one to the Vikings!

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: Re: To all of you who call yourselves skiers...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:55:33 GMT

sveint@edb.tih.no (Svein Gunnar Tjoenndal,o92b) writes:

>To be honest, I'm very dissapionted.
>I just joined up with this conference, hoping to read something
>useful about skiing.
>What I found was this:
>A lot of nerds talking about bars and hotels!!!!!!!!!!
>You guys have really got a problem.
>A serious one.

>I'll be looking forward to any response to this.

>					Svein Tjoenndal
>           Cross-country skiing, the first (and real) winter sport
>           was invented in Norway by vikings about 500 AD. 
>           (I guess you just didn't know...)




IS THIS YOUR REAL NAME??????

All kidding aside, you are welcome to make positive contributions
to this newsgroup, otherwise #$@!!!-OFF!


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   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: DUMP
Summary: We're gettin hit.
Keywords: Orgasmic, deep, cold, fun
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:20:07 GMT

Summit County Snow Report (unofficial)
It's been coming down HARD for about 4 hours now. Expected to continue
through today and tonight. Possible accumulations of up to 2 feet!!!!!
Tomorrow could *snicker* be a powder day. It's getting harder to see
my car from the window of my condo here in Downtown Frisco. Visibility
appears to be about 100 yds. Good day for the yellow lenses. Steve,
That was a good trip report. We'll have to get some more data points for 
another one !!!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: shurj@miki.pictel.com (John Shur)
Subject: Suggestions wanted for ski weekend in NH/ME
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:35:27 GMT

I'm trying to plan a weekend ski trip for early Jan. - any recommendations on ski areas that 1) have lots of long easy/intermediate trails and 2.) have nearby lodging including all the amenities, esp. private jacuzzi for apres-ski relaxation ;-). I would appreciate your help - my wife and I don't get out much (we think the kids are finally old enough for overnight babysitting) so we want to pick a good place. E-mail me or post your replies. Thanks.

John Shur
shurj@pictel.com

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:27:51 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Steepness 
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov18.195849.10259@netcom.com> brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette) writes:
>Here's an abridged version of a table appearing in the December 1992 Snow
>Country magazine which I found very interesting.  
>
>Name of Run       Where                   Percent Grade          Degree Slope
>
>The Headwall      Tuckerman Ravine, NH        116%                49   degrees
>Great Scott       Snowbird, UT                 98%                44.5 degrees
>Saudan Couloir    Blackcomb, BC                87.5%              41   degrees
>Corbett's Couloir Jackson Hole, WY             80%                38.6 degrees
>(Typical Household Staircase)  --------------  63%  ------------  32.3 degrees
>Palivacinni       Arapahoe Basin, CO           58%                30   degrees
>Outer Limits      Killington, VT               42.6%              23   degrees
>Exhibition        Squaw Valley, CA             41%                22   degrees
>White Heat        Sunday River, ME             38.5%              21   degrees
>Prima             Vail, CO                     37.5%              20.5 degrees
>Spiral Staircase  Telluride, CO                35.8%              20   degrees
>Goat              Stowe, VT                    35.3               19.5 degrees
>

My old Jackson Hole Avalanche manual listed Corbett's at 41 degrees and
the Alta Chutes at 48 degrees.  

Left Gully at Tuckerman's also got steep, but it has been too long to
remember (approx. 1964).
From: bohner@alnitak.usc.edu (Wolfgang Bohner)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Price Check: K2 Extreme
Date: 16 Nov 1992 13:31:01 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov13.013015.8378@bnr.ca> mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) writes:
+Before you go and blow 400+ bucks on a pair of 92/93 Extremes, look around for
+a pair of last years models.  I picked up a brand new pair of the 91/92 Extremes 
+for $249.   The guy in the shop told me that there really wan't any difference 
+between the two models except for the cosmetics.  I saved about $200 bucks or more
+by not buying this years model.  That pretty much paid for the bindings!!
+
+Mike.


I just bought a pair of K2 Extremes ('93 model) for $320. It included free
mount and several coupons for free hot wax and tune ups.
If you can wait, prices drop significantly after New Years. I used to buy my
skis in April/May and got great deals.
Don't spend more than I did!

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate)
Subject: Tignes conditions 14.11.92
Distribution: world
Organization: Jeffrey Holdgate Associates
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:44:37 +0000

I skied Tignes for three days on the 13th,14th & 15th Nov :-

Only the Glacier and the runs to the resort were open, and also the lift to
les Tuffs.

Conditions varied between 12" power, and hardpack, snowfall and rainfall. There
has been a LOT of snow, so conditions look well set for the rest of the season.

Snowline is about 1500M

Good skiing !
Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Let it snow
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:32:07 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow, Let
it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it
snow.

Oh, I forgot this is Oootah and it is snowing.  How much you ask ?
How about 1-2 inches an hour in the mountains.  Since last night the
Alta Guard Station has recieved 34 inches while in Big Cottonwood at
the Spruces they had 37 inches and it is still snowing.

Now the bad news, an avalanche warning has been posted for Northern
Oootah.  Too much of a good thing always leads to problems.  But wait
there is always the resorts.  Yea, Yea thats the lift ticket.

Just thought I'd ruin everybody's Monday morning with news so cheer up
and think about the weekend crowds that will be heading for the slopes
on Thursday.


Now I know I left my snorkle around here ...

Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


PS No flames please as I do not want the snow to melt, we need the
water too.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Transplanted from Colorado to Cleveland...
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (CarlsonPeters 7898)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:50:14 GMT
Organization: L.A. Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1e7nteINNnh9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) says:
>
>>In article <13756@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>>...a few months ago, and now wondering what skiing sites
>>>there are within, say, 3 or 4 hrs' drive from Cleveland?
>>>Any recommendations?
>>
>>You poor, poor man.
>Dont knock it if you havent tried it!
>
>At least we dont have the traffic gridlock, serious pollution
>and water rationing that is found on the west coast.
>And just  think. I can afford a house with a few acres of land
>and a nice car (or two). Not so if I lived out there.
>
>Sandy

Very interesting.  This is about the 4th "at least we don't have" type
responses I've gotten from what was really a sympathetic post.  The
others sent very nasty email. One man from silly valley even compared
LA to Sodom and Gomorahh (as if silicon valley isn't far behind!).  My
condolences were offered specifically because, skiingwise, going from
Boulder to Cleaveland is depressing.  No criticism of any other part
of mid-western living was intended.

I have tried it by the way, grew up in WI and learned to ski at Tyrol
Basin (270 ft. vertical).  I'll just say no to bitter cold and a
complete lack of vertical and variety.  Not to say that you can't
learn to be a solid, proficient skier in the midwest.  The blue ice
tends to filter out the less determined.  I was ready for my first
trip out west to Jackson Hole.  I was even suprised to find that I was
a "good skiier" by western standards.  All that struggling against the
cold and ice really paid off.

Yes, housing prices are sky high here.  And traffic is a bitch if you
insist on living in a nicey suburb 30+ miles away from work.  I take
the bus and get to work in 15 minutes.  All the LA bashing is even
more puzzling when you consider that so many cities try so hard to
emulate it (one passenger auto commuting, freeway building, so called
planned suburbs, 3rd rate mass transit and on and on).  

No, I don't like living in LA but hey, when I got out of school this
was a job so I'm making the most of it.  And speaking of making the
most of it, I get in a lot of good local skiing here when Ma nature
cooperates.  Last year she did and we had snow base here as good or
better than most of the west.  And while the hoards were mindlessly
driving to Big Bear or Mammoth or flying to SLC to SKI ALTA (tm), I was
enjoying great powder days at the completely overlooked, no snowmaking,
minimal groommed resorts stashed away in the San Gabriels.


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carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012