From: mongo@PDaXcess.techbook.com (Mongo)
Subject: Ted don't know Isaiah 14 either...
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:50:10 GMT

 
 
Ted:
>I won't bore you with excessive details here;  you can read it for
>yourself in the King James bible.  The 14'th chapter of the book of
>Isaiah contains a hymn of thanksgiving, after Venus settled into
>stable orbit and ceased to be a threat:
>
>     "How art thou fallen from heaven, oh Lucifer, Son of the
>     morning [morning star] ... how art thou cut down to the
>     ground, which did'st weaken the nations...  which made the
>     world as a wilderness and destroyed the cities thereof...
 
Unfortunately for your interpretation, verse 4 of chapter 14 labels
the whole chapter as a taunt aimed at the king of Babylon; The fact
that a human is being taunted is confirmed in verses 6,16,19,20 and in
verse 20, the curse against Babylon is pronounced
 
Similarly:
 
Ted:
>   JOS 10:11  And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel,
>   and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down
>   great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died:
>   they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the
>   children of Israel slew with the sword.
>   JOS 10:12  Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the
>   LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel,
>   and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon
>   Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
 
It is _hailstones_, not meteorites, that fall and they fall _before_
the sun stands still. Hence, if cessation of the earth's rotation
is a result of a collision or near miss (!) with a large body, even
if these were meteorites and not hailstones, they would have _preceded_
the 'large body' according to this account, not trailed behind it as
you suggest. It is also far from clear how much time elapsed between
the hailstorm and the earth standing still.
 
Ted:
>Isaiah,
>however, is talking about a different kind of an earthquake, such
>as has not been seen in awhile.  The thing is, that when the CAUSE
>of the earthquake is right there in the sky getting closer daily,
>you don't need to be but so much of a prophet/astrologer/astronomer
>to know that you'd BETTER get to high ground or do some kind of
>thing before long, or your ass is grass.
 
Neither Isaiah nor Joshua describe anything like the events you say
they do. In particular, no looming planets.
 
>Ted (Proud to Ignore the Facts) Holden
 
Proud, also, it seems, to ignore inconvenient parts of the historical
accounts you claim to hold in such high esteem (ie Isaiah 14:4, and 
14:22).
 
Having checked your allegations against the one ancient text I have in
my possession, and found them inaccurate, especially your treatment of
Isaiah 14:2-22, I am unmotivated to continue investigating your position.
 
Max G. Webb
 
Disclaimer. I don't believe in the inerrancy of any text, but I like
to see them accurately quoted.

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