HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
From: phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:54:06 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Chris Tobin asks, "1) Is there (still) a Vauxhall/Opel Service network
in NZ?"

    Yes, the G.M. dealer network.  The Vauxhall Cresta, Viva, Magnum,
    Chevette et al so destroyed the Vauxhall reputation here that, when
    G.M. restarted importing Vauhalls last year or the year before last,
    they started selling them under the Opel name.  We get Vauxhall
    Cavaliers, made in England, but sold as Opel Vectras.

"2) Hence -> Will I be able to get parts for the car in NZ? Will service
engineers know the car?"

    Yes, provided that it is the same as the current model.  I don't
    think the Cavalier was imported here as long ago as 1986 so, if the
    model has changed since then you might have difficulty in finding
    parts and service but, if not, you should be all right.

"3) Does the price differential in NZ from elsewhere make it worthwhile?"

   The current list price for a basic 2-litre Opel Vectra is $32,845
   which is something like 10,000 pounds at current exchange rates.

"Second major question is whether there are any emmission controls in
force in NZ that would keep the car off the road once it got there."

   Practically none - if it passes in the U.K., it will pass here.

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Lyndon Watson                              L.Watson@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.new-zealand:2385 rec.skiing:5391
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.skiing
Subject: Re: New Zealand Snow Report 20-Aug-92
From: Frank.van.der.Hulst@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Frank van der Hulst)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 10:45:15 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

Disappointing that this posting didn't include areas north of Christchurch...

I've just returned from Whakapapa (Mt Ruapehu):

They have a 3 metre base, with *excellent* snow... the sort which makes you
think your skiing has improved out-of-sight over the summer!

Unfortunately, during my week the weather was mostly bad, with only one day
of fine weather. The rest was windy, with more snow landing. Lots of runs
aren't open (the entire bottom chairlift station on one chairlift is buried)
due to *too much snow*. There is also a considerable avalanche danger.

Looks like *great* skiing when the weather clears.

Frank.
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Ice T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:49:50 NZT
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS

hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking) writes:

> >>>>> On 2 Aug 92 21:56:53 GMT, hamish@waikato.ac.nz said:
> 
> hamish> Here Here!!
> 
> I think you mean "Hear, Hear!!", as in I *hear* you.
> --
> 		Tony Hosking
> Papernet:	Dept. of Computer Science
> 		University of Massachusetts			 _--_|\
> 		Amherst, MA 01003				/      \
> Voicenet:	(413) 545-0256					\_.--._/    )
> Internet:	hosking@cs.umass.edu				      v    /


Don't worry - It's just Hamish showing his pig ignorant racist red neck
              attitudes again.


dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
From: bsahl@warwick.ac.uk (Cathi Maryon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Maori LT award ??
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:41:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK



What's this I heard about the recent Maori land tribunal award giving
some tribes all fishing rights around the South Island and a 
percentage of the economy in some parts of the South Island? 
(reported in the London "Independent" on Tuesday 11th August I think).

The headline was something like "NZ Government appeals for calm..." (!)

The implications of this (if it's as clear cut as reported), even on the 
face of it, must be fairly major, and once you actually start administering
it, would surely be even more so.

Does anyone out there know anything about it, and has there been any "calm"
reaction, from NZ or even from countries with similar features (eg Canada/
North American Indians, Australia/Aborigines)?????

I'm only curious, because I would have thought it would make quite a 
splash in the press there, and that people would be talking about it, and
must have set a precedent which is very pleasing to original residents 
worldwide, yet nothing has appeared on the net (sob sob)

Let's face it, if it makes it into British papers (very little NZ stuff 
does) it's got to be comment-worthy even on those grounds alone!! :-)
-- 
Cathi Maryon                       bsahl@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Warwick Business School            JANET:bsahl@uk.ac.warwick.csv
University of Warwick              BITNET:bsahl%uk.ac.warwick.csv@UKACRL
Coventry CV4 7AL   UK
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 11:10:45 -0400 
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: unflattering newspaper headline
	<1992Aug21.123338.10278@waikato.ac.nz>

> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 22-Aug-92 Re:
> unflattering newspaper .. hamish@waikato.ac.nz (2009)

> As far as I'm concerned, the fisheries belong to all New Zealanders.
> Does it
> realyy make a difference what colour you are? Sometimes I think that the
> Waitangi tribunal is more racist than the Boers of years gone by. (Come
> on.
> Somebody tell me I'm a racist for daring to imply that someone who isn't
> white
> is a racist).


As I understand it, unrestricted fishing in the 12 or 200 mile limit 
would soon result in no fishing at all. Therefore, while the the water
may be owned by all NZrs, the right to fish in it can be controlled by
quotas, which are distributed and controlled by the government.  If you
have read a copy of the Treaty of Waitangi (you *have* read it, haven't
you? I hope so, given the vehemence of your historical claims), there is
a pretty strong case for an obligation on the part of the NZ government
to assign a substantial portion of those quotas to Maaori tribes.

I can't imagine what kind of satisfaction it would give you to succeed
in provoking people into calling you a racist. 

michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
From: bill bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:59:26 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

> Which brings me to a dilema: should I bring my 1986 Vauxhall Cavalier to
> NZ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Chris Tobin      Phone: +44 (0)274 383947 | University of Bradford
>                    Fax: +44 (0)274 383920 | Department of Computing
>           JANET: C.J.Tobin@uk.ac.bradford | (Phoenix Building), Richmond Road
>        Internet: C.J.Tobin@bradford.ac.uk | BRADFORD BD7 1DP, England, UK
> 

Bring the car anyway. I emigrated five years ago and left two cars behind 
- a three year old Cortina and a six month old Citroen 2CV. We sold 'em 
for a few grand and could only buy a single clapped out Jap heap with the 
proceeds when we got here. Things have got much better, but New Zealand 
roads are full of cars considered too dangerous to be sold in Japan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain)
Subject: Telecom price hike (again)
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:00:46 GMT

Yesterday Telecom announced several price increases:
* Local calls from cardphones will now cost 40 CENTS/MINUTE!
  International calls from payphones rise between 20 and 40%.
  Cellphone charges increase too.
* The cost of renting a phone will rise 67% -- from $2.40/month
  to $4.01/month ($48/year) -- this inccludes the old dial phones.
  Phones are sold for $12.95 upwards so this charge seems slightly
  excessive.

These increases have received widespread criticism from consumer
groups, the elderly and disabled.  They come at a time when
inflation is at below 2%, and two weeks ago Telecom announced
an annual profit of $402 million -- not bad for a country of
3.5 million people  in the middle of a depression.
-- 
Pat Cain, PO Box 2060, Wellington, NZ  ()  em: cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Where in NZ is Laura Steele?            
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:11:53 +0000

 Hamilton - we found out from her sister.

 So is there a radio station in Hamilton, catering to young people, with a
fax number for requests?

                               Thanks!

                                               John



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:25:14 GMT

 Just a general point:- to back off a Pers. Car Export,IF only because
 the distant countries'emission laws are tighter could be a
 fundamental mistake: an internally cleaned and tuned engine and
 regulated or non-regulated Catalysor being fitted to the existing
 vehicle will not only be possible in about 95% of cars built after
 about 86-87'; but would in some circustances be the lbest economical
 soloution I am shure - thougb it does llook as if in the case of the
 Vauxhall the general informed opinion seems against retaining the
 vehicle!
	All the best in your new location!  If it means anything in Berlin
	younger drivers tend to call the Opels "boering or staid" which
	more than anything seems to indicate that they last almost forever
	and rerely breakdown!
	  I own a customised 1500cc 5 gear 72HP Lada Samara Night -
which up to now nobody has called boring - the reasons probably the
converse of those refered to in lconnection with Opel's staidness!
:)

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From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Harley shops in New Zealand?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:34:45 +1200
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <16r7hhINNid7@cs.utexas.edu>, osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
> I'm hoping that somebody can tell me if it is possible to get
> a Harley-Davidson motorcycle serviced in New Zealand.
> 
> Ideally, of course, there would be a couple Harley shops,
> but any information would be nice.

The main place is in Christchurch but there is also a harley shop in Dunedin,
Imperial motorcycles. It was burnt to the ground a few years ago but is now
rebuilt. There are also other classic bike shops catering for Harleys around
the country, one is most large cities and some parts and accessories shops in
the weirdest places like in Gore as I recall. (I guess that would be catering
for the Hokonui hills rally nearby) and was it in Huntly? I forget. So
basically the answer is yes, it is easy to get a harley serviced in the main
centres. Here in Hamilton for example, there are two shops specifically for
spares and repairs of British and American bikes (H.D cycles and Cycle Torque).
-- 
Tom Higham,		        "If ever somethin' don't feel right to you,     
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,	        remember what Pancho said to the Cisco Kid:
University of Waikato,	        'Let's went, before we are dancing at the
Hamilton,		        end of a rope, without music.'"  
NEW ZEALAND.		                   Sailor Ripley, "wild at heart".
Higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
From: witbrock@otago.ac.nz
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:19:27 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug20.122101.421@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes:
> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>> New Zealander women, having a problem finding a New Zealander man?
>> 
>> What  about woman New Zealanders who neither want nor need to find a New
>> Zealand man, but who would prefer to find another New Zealand woman. Or
>> conversely?
> 
> yeah, can we have a BiSexual electronic matchmaker?
> 
> I mean, these things usually have a heap of categories anyway, adding
> sexuality can hardly be that complex... And given the `activity' level
> on soc.bi especially, I reckon it should go down a treat, mate.
> 
> MOZ
> weirdly queer, you know.

They did advertise on soc.bi, you know, but they got rather flamed.
If you've got email and news access, who needs a matchmaker!!!


Ann (who doesnt need to find either a man or a woman, just now).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: klovatt@generic.uucp (Keith Lovatt)
Subject: Re: Religion (Duck! incoming flames!)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:04:25 GMT

>Amway operates in New Zealand. Some people actually spend time selling the
>stuff - or trying to anyway. If we forbid discussions on multi-nationals we
>won't even be able to talk about the Bank of New Zealand soon. 

I hang my head in shame - I actually have relatives in NZ who sell the "fine"
products. How did this ever get into a message with a "Religion" subject?

Keith Lovatt
klovatt@terranet.cts.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Sir Robert Muldoon Dies
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:19:02 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <Geoff.12fp@equinox.gen.nz>, Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff
Mccaughan) writes:
>> He wasn't called "The notorious gang of one" for nothing. He surrounded
>> himself with incompetent bozos in order to dominate the cabinet
completely.
>> A couple of his cabinet ministers were stunningly short in the I.Q.
>> department, and that's saying something.
>
>Yes, indeed.  These folks - Bolger, Birch, Cooper - are now running the
>country.  While Jim has tryed a little of the Muldoon style in his opera

I was actually thinking of the likes of Merv Wellington and another idiot
who I am completely unable to recall the name of at the moment.

>I think we can agree to disagree about where the fault lay with regard the
>non-entity status of the Muldoon cabinet.  Don't people get the governments
>they deserve?  Couldn't you level the same criticism at the cabinet's of 
>Seddon (now there was a true one man band)?  Or of Kirk ?

Getting the government one deserves is something that happens in a
democracy, not the farce that passes for the same here.

--
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                               Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
        "Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"
From: cma@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Henry Chi-To Ma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Info Wanted - Job Market in New Zealand
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:53:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


I would like to get some information on the job market in the computer science 
sector in New Zealand, but I don't know where to start with; is there a
newsgroup on that?

Thanks in advance for anyone who can give me advice on this.

Henry.
From: hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Ice T
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:27:55 GMT
	<1992Aug18.114208.10159@waikato.ac.nz>
Reply-To: hosking@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
In-reply-to: maj@waikato.ac.nz's message of 17 Aug 92 23:42:08 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Aug 92 23:42:08 GMT, maj@waikato.ac.nz said:

maj> In article <RLLNPB2w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz>, dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl) writes:
> hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking) writes:
> 
>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 92 21:56:53 GMT, hamish@waikato.ac.nz said:
>> 
>> hamish> Here Here!!
>> 
>> I think you mean "Hear, Hear!!", as in I *hear* you.
>> --
>> 		Tony Hosking
>> Papernet:	Dept. of Computer Science
>> 		University of Massachusetts			 _--_|\
>> 		Amherst, MA 01003				/      \
>> Voicenet:	(413) 545-0256					\_.--._/    )
>> Internet:	hosking@cs.umass.edu				      v    /
> 
> 
> Don't worry - It's just Hamish showing his pig ignorant racist red neck
>               attitudes again.
> 
> 
> dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
> 
> 

maj> I don't identify with many things that Hamish posts, but I'm
maj> sure he's right about 'here, here'. It's a parliamentary contraction
maj> of 'you have support for what you are saying here'.
maj> -- 
maj> Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
maj> Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
maj> __________________________________________________________________
maj> 'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
maj> if only I've stated it thrice.'

Let me quote from The Oxford Reference Dictionary:

	"hear! hear!" an expression of agreement or applause.

--
		Tony Hosking
Papernet:	Dept. of Computer Science
		University of Massachusetts			 _--_|\
		Amherst, MA 01003				/      \
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Internet:	hosking@cs.umass.edu				      v    /
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: $10 note ..
From: Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:50:23 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <bar> patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:

> Recently I've noticed a new $10 note.
> 
> Front is the same except top left and bottom right corners are in
> a lighter shade of blue, so is part of the middle of the note.
> On the right hand side is the New Zealand 1990 logo.
> 
> The back is also similar but with a picture of the treaty
> being signed and thords "New Zealand 1990 Commemorating the
> signing of the Treaty of Waitangi 1840".  Is this a new note
> (and if so, why put it out in 1992?) or are the banks doing
> some recycling?

An article in tonight's Evening Post says that the Reserve Bank has
released the rest of these into circulation recently.  I can't
remember much more than that, but suspect they are using them up
before the totally new and improved versions are released.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: I'm here in Nz.
From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Date: 8 Aug 92 19:43:40 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:
>There are many systems offering Usenet news and e-mail.  But for
>Telnet/Usenet/ftp etc. you're best to signup for Wellington City
>Council's CityNet service.  It's totally free and there are free
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
TANSTAAFL!

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                               Voice: +64 (3) 3852101
        "Hi. You have just entered the fourth dimension. Small isn't it?"
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: I'm here in Nz.
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:38:33 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:

>patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:
>>There are many systems offering Usenet news and e-mail.  But for
>>Telnet/Usenet/ftp etc. you're best to signup for Wellington City
>>Council's CityNet service.  It's totally free and there are free
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>TANSTAAFL!

Sorry but could you tell me what that means in ordinary English? ? ? 

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:27:51 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug13.095406.305@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
> Chris Tobin asks, "1) Is there (still) a Vauxhall/Opel Service network
> in NZ?"
	
	Well, other users of the net who read my answer to Chris's question no
doubt think I'm an enormous ignoramous when it comes to cars - well,  I'd say they're right, 
especially after reading other,  better-informed answers.  So...
	(1)Sorry if I put you astry Chris,  although I think my general drift
was o.k.; and
	(2)Ask me about cycling...
	(3)I owned a Vauxhall Magnum for awhile,  and I'd say renaming Vauxhall
to Opel was about the best marketing move made!

	Jonathan
	University of Waikato

Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Subject: Re: I'm here in Nz.
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.041426.3627@actrix.gen.nz>, Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.155912.10079@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>> 
>> There aint no such thing as a free lunch
>> [Reference "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", R.H. Heinlein]
>
>Uh, that's Robert *A* (Anson, I think) Heinlein.
>
>
>And some people just don't get it -- I saw  a TV ad for a hotel this week
>that says "There's no such thing as a free lunch, but at XXXX there
>*is* a free breakfast!"
>
>::sheesh::  Beam me up, Mannie!  Why Knott?
>


"Put a stop to car thieves by syphoning off your petrol whenever you
park your car, and carrying it around with you in one or two plastic
buckets" - D.Griffins 

--
Red
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:49:37 +1200
From: James_Swindells@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (James Swindells)
Subject: unflattering newspaper headline
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
X-Comment-To: Cathi_Maryon@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Cathi Maryon)
Organization: Te Wahapu 

 * Original to Katoa at 3:771/210 in "TE_AO_MAORI"
 * Forwarded Sat Aug 15 1992  13:49:37 by Richard Benton at 3:771/210@fidonet

MAORIS GET SI FISHERIES.  This is the rather unflattering headline in this 
mornings Dominion.  Why were there no similar headlines like CROWN TAKE 
FISHERIES FROM MAORIS  or CROWN TO RETURN WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY RIGHTS?  
Isn't this just typical of the 'well they weren't using it productively so 
why are they getting it back (Vattelisation)' nonsense.  I disagree with the 
word get, it implies something other than a justifiable return of property 
rights.