From: endevour@snoopy.umd.edu (endeavor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Shura criticized
Date: 2 Jan 93 08:08:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <C06n4H.CH7@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>I will come back on my pledge not post again in this group, I really need
>to understand more about the situation  there, not to interfere in your
>affairs but to take lessons from the Afghan experience, as it seems that
>many countries are going to be "Afghanized" soon.

You lost me here. What countries are you talking about and what do you 
think Afghanization means ?? need more info.  

>
>In article <17766@umd5.umd.edu> endevour@snoopy.umd.edu (endeavor) writes:
>>>
>>>   The Afghan interim government's attempts at convening a national
>>>   assembly, known as the Shura-e Ahl-e Hal wa Haqd, which has been
>>>   empowered to select the country's next president, is now facing
>>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Empowered by whome ? What is the legitimacy of this Shura ? And, really,
>>just like our FLAG, was it so necessary to change the original and 
>>triditionally Afghan and time tested concept of LOYA GIRGA by this
>>out of the blue Hal wa Haqd ?? All I can say is this that some real 
>....
>I agree with you on the above statement, but I would like to know your 
>alternative to the above solutions proposed by Hikmetyar, and how you
>think that Hikmetyar would benefit from his proposals, especially the
>first one about organizing elections.. After all he is not going to win the
>elections if we believe the reports about his lack of popularity..
>>
>Do you support the return of the Shah? (Dhahir Shah or any other descendent
>of his..)

I think you mis-read the original posting. It says that Mr.Hekmatyar 
proposes, and I quote, that " the country's 10-party leadership council
should elect another president by consensus."

Now there is no talk of a GENERAL ELECTION here. If there is any election
process what so ever it is among the members of the 10-party leadership
council.   

This council, or the concept of this council, was cooked up in the infamous
Peshawar Governor House Accord which served ( rather too well ) as a vehical
for foreign intervention into post-Soviet Afghanistan.

Mr.Hekmatyar has successfully maintained an ambiguous stand regarding the
accord and its implications. He is both member and none-member. He is for 
it and against it. He accepts its decrees and he violates it.

It is difficult to predict the dynamics of this leader ship council.
Members of this council are the heads of the Tanzeems that mushroomed
in Peshawar, Tehran and Reyaz. The council and its attitude is a micro-cosm
representing the moode of the three regional powers that are actively 
engaged into shaping and moulding the Afghan's future government. 

You are asking me how Gulbudin stands to benefit out of an election
within this 10-party leadership council ( a politburo of the Pakistani,
Irani and Saudi agents) ?? Frankly I have no idea. The loyalty of the
members of this buro is changing faster than the sand dunes of Sahara.

One day Gilani ( former Pugeot car dealer with spiritual side kick )
is a moderate Zaherite, another day he is more radical than 
Hasan ul Turabi. 

Mojadidi ( also know as Shaitan-e-Ragime ) is the same person who made
Dostum into a four star general and today he is courting Gulbudin with
the lust of a sixteen year old virgin.

So as you can see it is difficult to predict how this leader ship 
council is going to react if it were to re-elect a new "presdent". 

Also we have to take into consideration political climate in Pakistan,  
the changing of gaurds ( and hopefull some conservative policies ) in U.S,
the unstable situation in former Soviet republics of Tajikistan,
and many more major factors.

But to get back to your question, I realize where you were trying to 
lead me. You argued that if indeed Gulbudin is a sure loser in event 
of general election then how come he call for one. 

Again, he did not call for a GENERAL ELECTION but only for a voting session
within the so called leader ship council. Agreed that now and then every one of
the Peshawar and Tehran based leaders talk of a general election. But their
defination of an election process is so diverse , ill-defined and ambiguous
that it makes your head spin . Take Khalis for instance. He says that there
should be a voting but no ballot boxes. Also when Gulbudin talks of an 
election he means that members of the Peshawar and Tehran based parties 
will be the only ones qualified to  contest and he also want to take into
account the relative strenght and size of each party in determing the 
ratio of contestants. 
 
All this is obviously a hoax to legitimize an open intervention by Pakistani
Irani and Saudi agents. Call it Hal wa Haqdt, call it Peshawar Accord, 
call it Leader Ship council, we, the Afghans, know what they are and who they
represent.

And now for the last time. READ MY LIPS. I AM NOT PRO-ZAHER SHAH. Do I support
his return ?? he was, for a long time, considered the only person who inspired
enough trust among the Afghan peaple to act as a figure head in a post-Soviet
Afghan society. However, the former King is very very old and recently 
survived an assasination attempt, in which the assailant was found to have 
Ikhwani links ( now does that ring a bell ??? ), and that has futher
complicated matters. 

Also his carefully gaurded stand about Afghanistan has alienated a lot of
peaple who counted on him for taking a firm stand for Afghanistan  and  its
intererst in the face of the open and shameless back stabbing by the Pakistani
Iranian and Saudi Governments. In short he could have done more, much much 
more.

All I know of him ( since I was only a kid when he was King ) is this that 
for fourty years he ruled Afghanistan and during that time the country
enjoyed peace and prosperity. What Gulbudin did in a days work of rocketing
was never even dreamed off during his reign. That is not bad at all.   

So if he returns, nay, even if his dog returns, I would prefer him over 
low lives like Gulbudin, Rabani, Dostum, Mojadidi etc etc. And that goes 
for any Afghan who have the slightest scent of milliat and Afghaniat in 
them.  

H.Abed