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From:         Unabashedly Egregiously Prolix <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Request concerning L.S. Vygotsky

Paul: Thank you for the concise, yet informative summary of Vygotsky's
theory. I rather like the notion of the influence of social (external)
factors on intelligence and was pleased to hear about the theory (but then
I'm a social psychologist, so one shouldn't be surprised by my reaction).

Thanks again!

Tor


Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin

Internet:  TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
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"Should they whisper false of you,
    Never trouble to deny;
 Should the words they say be true,
    Weep and storm and swear they lie".
                                                   --- Dorothy Parker

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood and I, I took
 the road less traveled by, and that has made all the
 difference".                                 --- Robert Frost
___________________________________________________

Disclaimer:  All of the views expressed above are solely
those of the author. Any relationship between my own
views and those of the University of Texas and/or The
Computation Center at the University of Texas are
due merely to regression to the mean.
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From:         Paul Lowry <PLOWRY@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Request concerning counseling gang members

I am working on a presentation for the Florida School Counselors Association
(not yet approved).
     The subject will be working with youth that are involved in gangs.  The
exact focus of the topic is still undecided so any relevant references will be
appreciated (Group counseling with gang members, individual counseling with
gang members, consultation with teachers who have students that are gang
members.  Working with students whose daily life is affected by gang members,
parents whose children are gang members, and conflict resolution involving gang
members.)  As you see, I coud use almost any material that touches on the
subject.
      I would also like to see a discussion on this on the list.  What should
the role of a counselor be when we work with gang members?  Should use a change
provocative focus?  Can gang membership be a positive influence in the
development of an individual?  Any takers..?    Paul, Counselor Ed., U. of Fla.
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Subject:      RE: Request concerning L.S. Vygotsky

...come onnnnnnn!!!! Doesn't everyone know he's the guy who claims that
space aliens built the pyramids, and that the world is hollow (with the
opening up at the North Pole)???? (What kind of education are you getting,
for goodness sake?)

....oh......maybe that's Velikovsky....oops, sorry, my mistake....
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From:         ldunn@CSUPOMONA.EDU
Subject:      Sorry about this

Is anyone out there? I am not receiving any mail and I do not have
Matthew's e-mail address. Please help. I am going into withdrawals!
Linda
ldunn@csupomona.edu
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From:         Kathryn Irene Snyder <IRENES@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reason we're still in school

Adam Smith was an old codger, wasn't he?
Irene
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From:         "Todd.Nelson" <22817MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Reason we're still in school

For those (sometimes frequent) moments when we wonder why we subject ourselves
to these added years of academic torture:

(please forgive the sexist language in this quote from the 1700's)

"The understanding of the greater part of men is necessarily formed by their
environment. The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple
operations, of which the effects too are, perhaps always the same, or nearly
the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding....He naturally loses,
therefore, the habit of such exertion and generally becomes as stupid and
ignorant as is possible for a human creature to become."

                                                 Adam Smith (1776/1937)
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From:         reza@PSYCH.TORONTO.EDU
Subject:      Positron Emission Tomography

Is anyone out there familiar with the workings of the PET scanner.  I'm just
getting involved in a project which will be using the PET scanner to record
cerebral blood flow while subjects make semantic categorization decisions.  I'm
looking for a book which deals with the ins and outs of the PET scanner.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Reza Habib
reza@psych.toronto.edu
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From:         Mark <MRHAYD00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      psychology v. counseling

I am in the process of applying to several Ph.D programs including counseling
ed. I have been told that many states put a restriction on the scope of
practice of persons hlding a degree in counseling ed. Typically this
restriction means no diagnosing or assessment. I have also been told that
states that have only a psychology law will ultimately place fewer restrictions
 due to the fact that the state can not argue that the counselor has the option
                    of sitting for   licensure under a seperate law. I am also
interested in discussing other relevant issues in regard to the limitations for
Ph.D's in counselor ed. v. Ph.D's in psychology.

Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.
From: MARTHA@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
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Hello John,
        I'm not sure whether she examines rape from a social psych
perspective or not, but Dr. Mary Koss here at Univ. of Arizona (Dept
of Psychiatry, I think) does a lot of interesting work looking at
sexual assault.
        Good luck.

Martha Glisky <Martha@Arizona.ccit.edu>
From: rfowler@pearl.tufts.edu
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Subject: Need roommate for SRCD in New Orleans
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:32:27 GMT
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Need roommate for SRCD in New Orleans

I am attending the biennial meeting of the Society for Research in
Child Development (SRCD) held in New Orleans from 3/25 through 3/28
and would like to share a hotel room with another male graduate 
student or students.  There are some, but not many, low-cost rooms available
for graduate student use.  I am planning on staying in New Orleans on
Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nights (i.e., 3/24-3/26). 

If you are  
interested in sharing expenses for a room, please send me an e-mail message
as soon as possible.  These low-cost rooms go quickly.  Please send any replies
to the Internet address listed below.

Thanks.

Clarke Fowler
Eliot-Pearson Department of Child Study
Tufts University
Medford, Mass.
Internet: RFOWLER@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU 
 
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:34:00 EST
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From:         "Todd.Nelson" <22817MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Elitism

Fred,

of course my quote of Adam Smith was "well-intentioned." However, I would
argue that it is not as "dangerously close" to "intellectual elitism" as you
charge. The simple meaning behind this quote (from my reading of it at least)
is that the mind is like the rest of the body.....in that if it is not USED,
and challenged daily, it becomes inactive, and this manifests itself in the
person's intellect. We need to continually push our curiousity and desire to
learn and understand to the limits. I don't take the quote as anything more
than that. It is not intended to be a slam against anyone or any group.

However, can you expand on your statement " I think curiousity and disbelief
in authority drives a lot of people." ?


Todd D. Nelson
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:55:24 -0500
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From:         20SSMITH@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Request concerning counseling gang members

Although it is very unpopular (particularly among my Black peers) I
have a psychoanalytic perpsective about gang membership and gang activities.
My afrocentric brothers and sisters frequently take me to task for subscribing
to such a eurocentric theory in explaining, discussing or describing such
a serious problem as related to African-American males.  Often I am on the
losing end of the debate but I have yet to change my mind.  Yes, the economic
reality of the plight of our young black males certainly plays a role in
gang membership.  I don't believe anyone doubts that fact.  But what is
frequently overlooked although the gang members themselves will take
any opportunity to state it is the issue of POWER.  The money, the drugs,
the cars etc are representations of power.  Now, I will spare those of
you are are not psychoanalytically inclined with a discourse on material
objects as phallic representations of power but I'm sure you get the drift.
Particularly given the fact that a great percentage of these young men are
raised in homes in which there is no stable father figure to go through the
normal adolescent stages of rebellion in resolving the oedipal situation.
Additionally, it is likely that these young men are being raised by young
mothers who were also raised in a home in which there was no stable father
figure which has implications of its own in resolution of the Electra
complex.  That's another issue.  Sticking with the males of this discussion,
I would suggest that they project a warped attempt at resolution of oedipal
issues onto the only other authority figures available, teachers, law enforcemen
   t, older rival gang members, society in general.  Its a normal system gone
terribly awry...These are just loose thoughts and I've yet to work out a
more logical theory on how this all comes together but I happen to think
I'm onto something here...any comments?  Please no flames, especially
before the semester even begins.

Sybil
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From:         HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET
Subject:      ZIP files

Can anyone out there direct me to a source that explains ZIP files
and how to get them to a readable format on my PC?  You may post
your response to the net or to my private address HOPE@UKANVM
Many thanks,
Mike Babyak, University of Kansas
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Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:10:30 GMT
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I just recently took the Myers Briggs Personality test and was wondering
if someone could send me copies of descriptions of the 16 personality
types or where I can obtain copies (ie books).  Any help would be
appreciated.
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From:         Unabashedly Egregiously Prolix <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reason we're still in school

>For those (sometimes frequent) moments when we wonder why we subject ourselves
>to these added years of academic torture:
>
>(please forgive the sexist language in this quote from the 1700's)
>
>"The understanding of the greater part of men is necessarily formed by their
>environment. The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple
>operations, of which the effects too are, perhaps always the same, or nearly
>the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding....He naturally loses,
>therefore, the habit of such exertion and generally becomes as stupid and
>ignorant as is possible for a human creature to become."
>
>                                                 Adam Smith (1776/1937)

Todd: I thought we spent all of this time in grad school jumping through
hoops so that by the time we get done (severe initiation condition), we
like our academic fraternity much better than we would have otherwise, had
we not engaged in such a grueling quest (mild initiation condition).
Somehow, comparing five plus years of grad school to fraternity initiation
rites such as wanton paddling and other such follies prompts me to take
grad school a little less seriously (you see how dangerously corrupting of
the intellect a good vacation can be?!? :-) ). Still, your quote has that
virtue of erudition that I simply cannot match, though I would add Matt
Groening's "Congratulations! You finally did it! You finished your
dissertation!" to be responded with "Eh? Speak up, Sonny!" (Life in Hell,
School is Hell, Lesson 19: "Grad School: Some people never learn").

Welcome back, Todd. Now, quick! Get back to work! :-)

cheers,

Tor


Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin

Internet:  TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
___________________________________________________

"Should they whisper false of you,
    Never trouble to deny;
 Should the words they say be true,
    Weep and storm and swear they lie".
                                                   --- Dorothy Parker

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood and I, I took
 the road less traveled by, and that has made all the
 difference".                                 --- Robert Frost
___________________________________________________

Disclaimer:  All of the views expressed above are solely
those of the author. Any relationship between my own
views and those of the University of Texas and/or The
Computation Center at the University of Texas are
due merely to regression to the mean.
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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Curiousity

Actually I think I have heard that psychologists tend to score high
on the *problems with authority* subscale on the MMPI.  Anybody
know more of the details?
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From:         Unabashedly Egregiously Prolix <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Request concerning counseling gang members

Sybil: I think your Freudian analysis of reasons for gang membership is
interesting and quite possibly true. On the other hand, it seems to me that
social learning theory might account for the phenomenon as well, viz. young
men who have no 'father figure' to socially learn from thus learn from
older peers/powerful gang  leaders with charisma, etc. (this hyp.
presupposes a young man's need to associate himself with a powerful older
brother/father figure). A third possibility is that *both* of these (and
other influences as well) cause the phenomenon....come to think of it, I
bet there's probably a good deal of sociological literature on this
issue....

cheers,

Tor


Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin

Internet:  TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
___________________________________________________

"Should they whisper false of you,
    Never trouble to deny;
 Should the words they say be true,
    Weep and storm and swear they lie".
                                                   --- Dorothy Parker

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood and I, I took
 the road less traveled by, and that has made all the
 difference".                                 --- Robert Frost
___________________________________________________

Disclaimer:  All of the views expressed above are solely
those of the author. Any relationship between my own
views and those of the University of Texas and/or The
Computation Center at the University of Texas are
due merely to regression to the mean.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:22:54 -0500
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From:         20SSMITH@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: witman (NOT!) quote

Oh Tor...we knew that you knew...we just wanted you to know that we
knew that you knew...tee hee...Happy New Year to you too...

Sybil
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: HELP!

Barry,
        Try Wortman and/or Loftus in PsycLIT.  You should hit
paydirt.
        --Kathy Morgan
        kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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From:         Fred Detwiler <ST8330@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Talk about withdrawl

Just when you think you have the key to getting something done (e.g.,
thesis), you don't.  A while, well a long while ago, I no mailed all
lists, took all the good games off my PC, etc.  Mind you, I did get a lot
done for a while.  But, lately when I get that "writers block" I've just
been Mr. TV veg man--with a cape and all.  I was defender of the remote.
I'm back.  What's new(s)?
Fred..
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From:         Fred Detwiler <ST8330@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Curiousity

Todd:

     I think it's an empirical question; but, I'd bet a lot of people
who go into science are the ones who got into trouble when they were
kids  for taking things apart--just to see what something was made of.
    Disbelief in authority may be my own pet issue to some extent.  This
goes in all sorts of directions.  At the grad school level, it's probably
a matter of critical evaluation of lit.  Even before that, though, I imagine
many who do science disagreed with things they were told to believe by
"those who Know" and through their careers have picked up the skills to
make cases for/against things.

Fred.
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From:         "Todd.Nelson" <22817MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      wake up kids!

just a reminder to all of you to start posting on the Net now!! Aren't we all
back from break yet? (sheesh!) Back to E-mailing....er.....I mean studying!


(note to Tor: Thanks! Welcome back to you too! Yes, Groening's lesson 19 says
it all....I have it on my office door as a matter of fact! :)   --- the sound
you hear is me quickly getting back to work....ha,ha! )


(note to Matthew: hey are you there? ready for another debate?)


Todd D. Nelson
Michigan State University
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From:         Jeff Kline <egkline@BEFAC.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Psychologists and the MMPI

Yes, i have also read this about Psychologists getting high 4
(Psychopathic Deviant subscale. I know my entire class in psych
appraisal admitted to high 4's when we took the MMPI.  It ties into
a desire to manipulate.  I am not up on the current research I am
taking Psych Appraisal II this semester. I think Grahams's book
mentions this research.

Jeff Kline



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From:         "Todd.Nelson" <22817MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Once more into the breach

Hey PsycGrad Kiddies,

I'm Baaaaaaack! (said in poltergeist fashion)

Hope all of you had a good break, and had a chance to recharge and do
absolutely NON-intellectually-taxing activities (watching Mystery Science
Theater 3000!).

Good to be back though! Let's Hear from you all now! I understand we have a
lot of new members, and would like to extend a hearty "welcome." To you new
subscribers, I say: "post frequently and let us know what you think!"

Best to all,

Todd D. Nelson
Department of Psychology
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1117
(517) 336-7035
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Subject: Re: Sorry about this
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Elizabeth,
If you didn't get Linda's message, how did you reply to it?
Logic is so vexing at times....
John
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