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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ARABIANS
Date: 13 Dec 1992 17:22:38 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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sbishop@desire.wright.edu wrote:
: In article <1gedrrINNa2j@nigel.msen.com>, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
: > : I just want to make one point, bay is NOT an exotic color in Arabians.  For
: > : many years the majority of Arabians in this country were grey, mostly because
: > : the early imports were mostly grey.  Now there are many bay, chestnut, and
: > : black Arabians.  My mare Quality is chestnut, her sire was bay, her dam was
: > : flea-bit grey.  She also has a half-sister who is bay, out of the same dam.
: > 
: > just for clarification:
: >  
: > I was under the assumption that Sha Hameer was an exotic color of bay, not
: > that bay was an exotic color.  Grey tends to be tha predominant color because
: > tha gene which causes greying is dominant.  I was wondering if Shah Hameer
: > might be exotic because of the beginning of a color change--rose greys
: > can look really neat during the beginning stages of the bay-grey change.
: > 
: > Karen
: > 

: Bay is bay.  There are no exotic colors of bay.   Bay is red, brown or dark
: brown with black mane and tail.  While in some breeds, buckskin is considered
: a different color, genetically it is just a yellow bay.   One thing you must
: consider, if Shah Hameer is changing color then he is NOT a bay, he is most
: likely a grey and that means if he is registered a bay, his papers are in
: error and must be corrected.  The Arabian registry is really fussy about
: things like that!  If you take him to a show and his papers don't match his
: description, you can be refused entry into a class.  I'm not entirely sure,
: but I think the show committee might even be able to report you to the
: registry who can yank his registration.

: Sue
: > 
Yes *I* realize that.  He is not my horse and this is What I want to find
out from his owner.  The problem of mis registered greys is not uncommon.
All greys are born a color, and not a few who are late changers have
incorrect papers, which can be corrected.  A person who has not had the
experience of watching a horse slowly grey out might think that the color
was "exotic."
 
By the way, buckskin is *not* a yellow bay.  Buckskin is a dilute
form of bay. Buckskin (dilute bay), palomino (dilute chestnut), red
dun (also dilute chestnut) and grulla (dilute black) horses all
carry a single gene for dilution.  Dilution is a dominant trait, and 
a double dose will produce another color, even paler.  Perlino and
cremello are double dilute bay and chestnut respectively.  I can't 
remember what the black is.

Karen
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stallions
Date: 19 Dec 92 08:01:18 CST
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

In article <1992Dec18.183222.6267@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
> I heartily second all the posts about being extremely careful around stallions.
> Even a 'pussy cat' can turn into a tiger when there's a mare in heat around.
>
   stuff removed 
> So, remember that there are only two kinds of stallions, top-quality and
> potential geldings.
> 
If I can put in my 2 cents worth, I heartily agree.  I have a couple of
middling brood mares and will be adding a top quality mare in another year.
BUT...I do not and will not own and board a stallion.  I have enough sense
to realize that a) I am afraid of them,  b) I am not strong enough to handle
one, c) I don't know how to properly handle a full-grown stallion, and d)
I can get a better foal by out-breeding my mares than by keeping and breeding
the lesser quality stud that I could afford to buy.  My boys are/will be 
gelded unless they are truly exceptional.  BTW, I have been around stallions 
for years and no, I've never been injured by one; I'm just more cautious now 
than when I was in my teens/twenties.

If I ever decide to buy a stud, he will be boarded at a facility that trains
and handles stallions on a regular basis or I will have hired a full-time
helper who is very experienced.    
-- 
Laurel & TBs 
Rose who's being a pill (needed weight-gain+rainy-days=very high spirits)
Pregnant Sweetie (who gallops with her) and my playful boys Pal and Buddy

All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: peb2g@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Penny E. Breyer)
Subject: Appaloosas are such wonderful horses!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:45:58 GMT

 I am so glad that the conversation has gotten onto a 
subject that I can post about!  When I was 10 years old,
my mother bought a 14 year old Leopard Appy named On
The Spot for herself to ride and  enjoy.  Little did she
know just how horse crazy I soon became!  Spotty was the
ultimate horse to learn on - he knew all the tricks, made
me look great, was the biggest sweetheart, etc. etc.

The best part about an Leopard Appy (for those of you 
wondering how a Leopard is different from your standard
App) is the head to toe spots all over.  My horse had a white
coat with small chestnut spots close together all over his 
face.  The spots got bigger and darker as you headed toward
his rump.  The result?  Dalmation Horse!!

This horse was pretty well known in the area (Philly suburbs),
and I would have people come up to me at the local shows and 
tell me they knew this horse and he was just the greatest.
Showing is great on an Appy - a Leopard App really stands out 
in Hunter classes full of chestnuts and bays!    As we went
around the ring, I would occasionally hear, "Look at the 
polka dotted horse, Mommy!" as I went by.

If you think pure Appys are unpredictable, try an half TB,
half Appy!  Pure riding excitement!

Thanks for listening to me babble about my great horse!  I'll
never find one to replace him!

Penny Breyer
peb2g@fulton.seas.virginia.edu
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hay Cubes Anyone?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:35:58 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec16.225337.18505@sco.com> kristinr@sco.COM (Kristin Robinson) writes:
>
>((SCO LYRIX 6.1
>))
>
>Does anyone out there feed hay cubes?  What is your experience with them,
>pluses and minuses?  

I have fed cubed alfalfa.  Here in LA cubes are ubiquitos at the larger
boarding operations.  I prefer to feed un-cubed hay, but cubes seem to
be acceptable.  They do have the advantage of fairly consistent quality 
and, of course, are easier to store.

It took some time for my horse to get used to eating them, though.  They
also don't last as long as baled hay and represent less of a diversion.
Because they are generally 100% alfalfa, they are also very rich and
should probably be supplemented with a grass hay.  Some people claim
horses colic more easily on cubed hay rather than baled hay, and my
horse did have more digestive problems when he was on the cubes than
beforehand, though that could easily have been coincidence.

Another thing to consider is that cubes have been known to get 
contaminated.  A couple of years ago several horses in Southern
California died, and many more were quite sick, when a load of
cubes got processed with a rabbit carcass, and the cubes were
contaminated with botulism.  At least that was what I heard the
final explanation was -- the deaths and illnesses were definitely
connected to a particular shipment of cubes, and effected both
The LA Equestrian Center and one of the big operations in Orange
Countyl.

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Hard Keeper
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:15:54 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1gdje9INN5s4@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
>
>Sterling has been hard to put weight on, so he gets corn oil as part of
>his ration.  This works without making him high.  If you do this, the 

Some people (including fellow netters) have said that corn oil may
make a horse tie up, so you might want to try something else, like
soybean oil.

-Sarah Pallas 


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Eglinton Equestrian Centre
Originator: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:57:46 GMT


Just heard on the news this week that the Eglington Pony Club has
gone it receivership (top quality facility located N. of Toronto, Ont.
Canada) and the boarders where given three days to move their horses.

Has anybody heard anything more about what is happening there and
how the receivership will affect the summer show schedule?

Ruth
-- 
=============================================================================
  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dennis@medusa.dseg.ti.com (dennis womack)
Subject: Re: posting
Reply-To: dennis@medusa.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:47:03 GMT

In article 11DEC199210434069@watson.bms.com, stebbins@watson.bms.com (GAYE STEBBINS) writes:
> This is my first try to send a post.  Please someone respond and let me know 
> if i'm sucessful.


Loud and clear!
... Dennis
From: claire@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Claire Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Horse Software
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:01:39 GMT
Reply-To: claire@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Claire Sheppard)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: claire@thumper.cc.utexas.edu


	 My newsserver has been acting funny, so I have only caught the tail
end:) of this conversation.  
	Are people looking for the software already on the market or did 
someone offer to try and program it theirselves?  I know that there are some
programs on the market but they are expensive $3,000-$5,000 and I think that 
they are geared toward training facilities that can write this kinda of stuff
off onto their customers. 
	If someone could email me a brief synopsis of the subject, I would 
truly appreciate it. 
Thanks

Claire Sheppard
Ribasqez [the black Arabian wonder gelding]
and
Monet [the psychotic cockatiel]
From: susie@cv.vortex.com (Susie Hirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Traveling with your horse
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:16:17 GMT
Organization: Vortex Technology, Topanga, CA, U.S.A.

I would like to get some advice from anyone who has experience
traveling with horses.  I actually am interested in several
different issues, specifically:

1) Safety on the road
2) Preferable equipment (truck and trailer features, etc.)
3) Feeding your horse while traveling
4) Emergency supplies (for humans and horses)
5) Any other related suggestions

I am also interested if anyone knows of a directory that lists
overnight accomodations where you can stay with your horse
(like a horsey hotel)?  The only books that I have found seem to
focus on horse vacations, like dude ranches or holidays on
horseback.

I would love to be able to take my horse with me when I go on
vacation.  I'm anxious to hear from anyone who does this sort
of thing, and can offer any suggestions.

|| Susie ||
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: stables in the Bay Area?
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:22:26 GMT

	Re: places to rent in the Bay Area:

	It's been a few years but I liked the outfit at Skyline
	and Hwy 92.  They checked into the ability of the riders,
	gave a surprising amount of instruction/details beforehand,
	and seemed genuinely concerned about the welfare of the horses.
	The trails, albeit hilly, offer a panorama of the SF Bay,
	the Pacific, and Crystal Springs Reservoir.  Any recent riders?

	DON'T go to Friendly Acres/Sea Horse Ranch in HMB.  The
	owner, Al Shipley, has repeated violations for bad treatment
	of his horses (too old, overworked, lame, sick.  I watched
	a horse dying on the beach after it tied up) in addition to
	neglectful conditions and poor maintenance of the facilities
	culminating in a highway death when his horses walked through
	rotten fencing yet _another_ time.  Shipley is up on manslaughter
	charges.  
	[I contend that the horse committed suicide after having been
	a rental horse for 19 years.  :^(  :^(  ]

	Support the better operations!
	Robin
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Recommended Sources:  Is Eventing Humane?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:18:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

In article <6026@rosie.NeXT.COM> llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:
>Hi, again:
>
>Some of the discussion that I was involved in a few months ago with regards to  
>the "humaneness" of eventing has prompted me to do some research for a paper on  
>this topic.

I don't have anything on-line, but the last 3 months of "Practical
Horseman" have had some discussion on the future of Eventing in light
of its "humaneness".

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy)
Subject: Re: Carlyle Morgans
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:37:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.232849.25498@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> lbm@avs.com (Linda B.
Merims) writes:
>Did any of you Morgan folks out on the net read your December
>"The Morgan Horse", particularly the yellow sales supplement
>article from the AMHA board of directors on what happened to
>Maxine Snow?  I'd love to hear your thoughts.
>
>What a dilemna for the breed--in the SAME issue:
>
>1992 World (sic) Champion In Hand Mare:
>       Carlyle Cwhateverhernameis  (Fiddler's Trustee x Senora Showbiz Vona)
>
>Maxine Snow of Carlyle Morgans expelled from AMHA membership over
>  not cooperating with the AMHA Directors in establishing the identity
>  of the Morgan mare Senora Showbiz Vona
>
>So it appears a fair bet that the '92 Champion Morgan In Hand mare
>is suspected of being only half Morgan.
>
>Linda B. Merims
>
>
>Yes, I read it, and I'm furious!  If you or I had pulled that stunt
(registering FIVE foals to a mare who was a Maiden mare at 25 yrs.),
we would have papers pulled before you could blink, and we would be
NEVER be allowed to regain membership or registry priviledges.  There was
a photo of another harness horse with the same breeding winning it's
class...unbelievable!  When I calm down, I intend to send a blast to
AMHA, and suggest other owners of Morgans do the same.  We pay to
register and bloodtype to insure the purity of our breeding, and
then blatent falsifying of pedigrees gets a 3 yr. suspension of
priviledges.  What doesthis say to other breeders  or potential
customers?  This is precisely what bloodtyping was meant to prevent!
                               Karin Tracy and THE MIGHTY MORGANS
>
From: zx2j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: ki and science
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:39:54 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Dec14.145521.22216@sei.cmu.edu>,
psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes: 
> 
> 14-Dec-92 14:18	Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter)	Re: science and ki
>>tremendously valuable - without science you would likely be far to busy
>>trying to maintain a subsistance level existence to study MA, and certainly
>>there would be no usenet, or computers, or electricity...
> 
> I think we'd be much better martial artists in a "primitive" society without
> any notion of science at all.  Indeed, I believe the Chinese have always been
> better martial artists without scientific interference.
> 

Why have the Chinewse always been better martial artists?  I would disagree
that the Chinese have been without scientific interference in their
development of the martial arts. The martial arts have a long history of
research, development, and practical application--particularly in warfare.
Styles that don't meet the needs fall to the wayside: this is essentially
the same process that science uses to develop its ideas and paradigms.
Don't forget that Western science isn't developed as systematically as
some would like to believe.  

I am sure that if a better, more effective theory of martial arts were to
come along, then the Ki paradigm would eventually fall into disuse.  In the
meantime, I don't know a better way to teach certain aspects of MA, than in
terms of Ki.

I also disagree that we'd be better martial artists in a more 'primitive'
society, ( I take you to mean with less of a mechanistic/Western/modern
mindset ).  The essence of science, and scientific interference, is
rejection of what doesn't work in favor of what does.  All of the other
accouterments are supposed to help in deciding how to go about deciding
what is working and what isn't.  A more 'primitive' society, I would take
to be more superstitious, more likely to believe in animism--both qualities
which will help people in understanding Ki, but qualities which don't
help discriminate quacks from the sincere, or help to raise the level of
understanding.

A healthy skepticism (Western or otherwise) will do wonders for MA in
general.

Cheers,
Mike Rilee

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder)
Subject: Re: Shihans, Senseis, Dan(s) & Stuff
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:48:00 GMT

Okay, another humble opinion on the net...

It is also my understanding that Shihan means "master" and it is granted
to those who have attained 8th Dan and above.  (congrats to these folk)
In the Chicagoland area, to my knowledge, there are only two Shihans:
Shihan Larry Tankson and Shihan Joe Gangi.  Everyone else under 8th Dan
is called Sensei or Shifu, (different style, different names) which simply
means "teacher".  My style's master is a So-Shihan.  He is a 10th Dan (
the highest in my style) and resides in the California area.  My style can
only have one active So-Shihan.  So essentially when So-Shihan retires,
the system high-Dan will be promoted to So-Shihan.  This is my understanding
of how it works out here.  




-- 
   Pamela C. Eder                   Due to budget cuts, the light at the end   
   ederpc@void.rtsg.mot.com         of the tunnel has been turned off. Thank
   Motorola, Inc.                   you for your cooperation. 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: s090@brems.ii.uib.no (Kjartan Clausen)
Subject: How long is a leg? Was Re:  How long is a string?  Was Re: ......
Organization: DevNull A/S
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:48:00 GMT

In article <Bz88Hu.41D@wilber.rich.nt.com>, bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Dec12.105521@ee.egr.duke.edu> wrankin@ee.egr.duke.edu (William T. Rankin) writes:
|> >
|> >[snip]
|> >
|> >   BTW, Mary, *how* long *are* your legs?... :-)
|> >   (duck!  no, run!, no, duck then run! no... (crunch!<thud>)
|> >
|> >32" inseam.  In other words...heh heh heh...long enough.
|> >
|> >
|> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> > Mary Malmros     | Cayman Systems Inc, 26 Landsdowne St, Cambridge, MA 02139
|> > mary@cayman.com  | Phone 617-494-1999  Fax 617-494-5167  AppleLink CAYMAN.TECH
|> >
|> >
|> 
|> Hey those legs go all the way up.... 
|>    All the better to do those high kicks with...
|>       get'im in the temple, mary.
|> 
|> b. webb, dallas, tx.

Reminds me of a friend who went to study Karate in Japan. He is well above 2 meters tall,
so the japanese he was training with got quite a shock the first times he took a 
mawashi geri to the temple of them. They learned fast though, so he had get his foot
quite fast back on the ground, or else..... jinglebells.

-- 
       Kjartan Clausen           Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  Institutt for Informatikk      The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Universitetet i Bergen       Beware the jubjub bird, and shun
     s090@brems.ii.uib.no        The frumious Bandersnatch !
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: stranglehold
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:28:03 CST

In article <4383@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>	**All** I've been trying to say is that
>this particular attack should be easy for anyone with minimum training
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>to deal with.  Even of the guy actually gets the "hold".  It's a very
>ineffective attack...


... at least one of the points people have been trying to make is that
most people *don't have* minimum training. Therefore "bad techniques"
are still perfectly likely to kill them. Untrained people get "ineffectually"
choked to death all the time. 


-Lauren



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject:  Re: The FAQ: Poor Mary.
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:24:04 GMT

>In article <1992Dec11.043004.6821@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>>I think Mary Malmros proposes an excellent approach to the task
>>of developing a rec.m-a FAQ.  Clearly we need a FAQ.  And I think
>>we are a readership with the technical depth, general literacy,
>>and cooperative spirit required to do an outstanding job of it.
>>So, let's get started.
>
>I agree.
>
>>
>>I would suggest that the most important initial tasks include
>>selecting an editor to provide some overall guidance to this
>>project, and identifying the actual FAQs to be answered.
>>Concerning the selection of a FAQ editor, I nominate Mary.  If
>>she is willing to serve, I think she would do a great job.  
>
>I agree.
>
>Also, I would be willing to help. 
     
    Lauren said this, not me.

>
>I have a suggestion for gathering Frequently Asked Questions.
>Once an editor is selected, why don't we mail (bombard) the
>(poor) person with the questions we *recall* being asked most 
>frequently. Some questions seem to have a cycle that is 'frequent'
>but may not be 'monthly', so that perusing two or three months of
>copious posting history might not turn them all up... Then Mary,
>unh, I mean the editor, can post a list of them to the net for
>comment/addition/deletion. How does that sound?
>
>Just a thought...
>
>
>-Lauren


Mary, you better run for the hills!

I think the rest of the Church of The One Tru Martial Art may 
  have found you.....  Hire that tax lawyer & sic'im on them.

B. Webb, Dallas, Tx.