From: dphantom@triton.unm.edu (darlene an  92sep02 lawry)
Subject: Re: Street Fighters' Most Hated List
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 08:36:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>I think the point of the poll is to note now "degrading personal comments"
>and "alt.flame" stuff seem to be a main staple of alt.games.sf2.  I can't
>remember how many posts I read which began:  "You fucking idiot fag"
>or whatever.  If people are going to degrade other people on a public
>forum, then the public forum has every right to degrade these people
>in return.

If I were to call you a fucking idiot fag, then I probably would not take
your hate chart with offense.  And if you can find such a post of mine,
I'll be happy to withdraw my complaint.  Just because one (or more) people
act that way gives you no right to personally degrade me.  

>I take offense at X-Man calling Guile players 'fag Guiles' and such.
>I think other people do too.  These people are offensive to other
>people for a reason.  Personally, I don't think that anyone really
>even cares.  Do you really think that either I or X-Man is going to
>say to ourselves, "Oh gee, everyone on alt.games.sf2 hates me, I'd
>better be nice."

No, but I don't feel that you, nor the people voting know me well enough
to be insulting me.  Unless all the people involved in the vote are my   
"pals," then don't expect me to take it jokingly.  Even if I weren't on
the list at all, I wouldn't like it...but I am, and I'm telling you...leave
me outta it.  It's borderline on libel, and I find it offensive.
 
>
>I agree with you that this kind of post and anything related to it
>is VERY unappropriate for alt.games.sf2.  But so is the swearing,
>sexism, homophobia, and other name calling.  Do you really think I
>would have posted it if these conditions did NOT exist?  

Exactly--it IS very unappropriate for alt.games.sf2.  And I do not think
your post is any more acceptable than swearing, sexism, etc.  The difference
is that it was made personal.  If someone makes a sexist remark to me, then
guess what, I take offense!  Your post being of similar unappropriate nature,
and directing it at me (among other people), guess what, I'm also gonna take
offense!

I know I'm
>dispicable for pointing out the obvious--- that people on this
>newsgroup can be downright inhuman pigs, me included.  But it's
>better than not saying anything at all.  If you refer back to the
>original post, you'd realize that it was half tongue-in-cheek and
>half for real.  The previous posters were just name calling and
>acting immature.  I felt that it deserved a response, that's all.

Again, did *everyone* deserve such a response?  Had *everyone* done name
calling and acted immature?  Just because people received votes doesn't
guarantee they did either...maybe somone voted for a person who had a
heated disagreement...or maybe outta spite because they were proven wrong...
or maybe they got the posters id's confused...or maybe (you get the idea).
You can say "well it's not my fault, they were the ones voting"...but I'm
going to hold you responsible for the validity of the poll.  Remember, you
could be hurting people who have never done anything to you.  We're human.
I'm human.  Think about it before you use other people's poor behavior
as an excuse for putting a whole list of people down.
>
>>If you insist on systematically degrading people on a personal basis, at least
>>take the time to conduct a well-thought poll.  But then, if you give 
>>such thought to it, you may realize that it just doesn't belong here.  I won't
>>look forward to your next one.
>
>I'm not the one degrading these people.  I'm not the one putting
>words in their mouths which make other people dislike them.  Perhaps
>if these people would realize what a fool they were making of themselves,
>they'd tone things down a bit.

Who elected you to be the equalizer?  Who says you aren't doing more harm  
than good?  I don't care that other people voted it, YOU posted it.  Therefore
YOU are the one who insulted me, and I find your attempts at justification
pathetic.  Such inconsideration at other people's expense doesn't belong here.

>
>Personally, I enjoy X-Man's flamboyant attitude.  It adds some life
>to the rather hum-drum every day a.g.sf2 posts.  Sometimes he can
>be very verbally abusive, which really doesn't belong here, but it's
>here.  I remember one post which responded to X-Man's with something
>to the effect of "I don't give a fuck Who's Who at your fucking arcade,
>you fag."  That was certainly uncalled for.  I posted the poll because
>I felt that things were getting out of hand.

Just because other people have done it, doesn't give you the right to
personally put me down with that chart.  If I do something nasty against
you personally, then flame me...otherwise, leave me outta it.  If the
individual voters wish to let me know in e-mail that they think I should  
be shot, then that's fine...they may have reason to.  But unless I've
done something personally against you, you do not have any place making
slanderous remarks about me...whether it be in the form of a chart, or
"you fucking idiot fag."  Capiche?


---Phantom

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