From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract 
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:37:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.163407.5960@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (Desiree Champagne) writes:
>	In today's article the self-proclaimed Mr. Tickle Monster
>has come out with the latest in a rash of rather scary thoughts:
>
>>Mike Wincn queries:
>>Ah, so is it fair to conclude that, should any woman develop a sexual 
>>interest in you, you will feel no sense of responsibility for participating 
>>in the act and should anything go wrong she is on her own?
>
>>     No.  If she and I had an agreement about what would happen in the
>>event of an unplanned pregnancy, lets say that we would give up the child
>>for adoption, and she decided to keep the child and demanded child support,
>>then because I would feel that she had lied to me and broke my trust in her,
>
>	Oh bullshit!  This makes me wanna puke.  Of all the stupid,
>inane statements you've made, this is the most outrageous.
>

     If the above quote makes you want to puke, then go right ahead.

>	Has the thought occured to you that perhaps she's reevaluated
>the sitatuion given a "today scenario" and realized that the stupid
>contract you've (basically) forced her to sign isn't realizable given
>a new set of circumstances (i.e., a bun in the oven)?
>

     If you would have read with more attention, then you would have
noticed I wrote "agreement", not "contract".  By the way, the agreement
would be negotiated and agreed by both of us.  If she does not want
to have an agreement, then she has the free will not to participate
in an agreement.

     Lets say that the situation is reversed.  Instead of adoption I will
use abortion.  She and I agree that there will be an abortion if an
unplanned pregnancy occurs.  After she gets pregnant, I change my mind and
say that I want the child.  Legally, she can ignore my wishes and have the
abortion.  She does have the abortion.  Do you see the double standard?
Would you express the anger that you expressed at me at her?  I venture
to say that you would not.

>>I would have no qualms with turning my back on her and the child. 
>
>	It's oh-so-easy to hide behind that "but you lied to me"
>facade, isn't it?  Makes life real easy.

     And you let people lie to you and you ignore the lies?  That is
hard to believe.

>  Standing there, handing out
>judgements and making crass statements that don't show one iota of
>sensitivity to another's changing needs, or a spark of responsibility
>for your past actions.  
>

     "If any one of you is without sin, let him/her be the first to
throw the first stone...."

     The negotiated agreement shows that a woman and I take
responsibility for our past actions.  Legally, since she does not have
to be sensitive to my changing needs if she wants to abort and I want to
keep the child, why should I be sensitive to her changing needs?

>> I do not
>>take too kindly to people who lie to me.  I have killed friendships when I
>>found out that a friend has lied.  Depending on how I classify the lie, I
>>view some lies as mortal sins in relationships.  I am using the term,
>>relationship, to describe personal as well as business relationships.
>
>	You're a sanctimonious prig. And don't give me this drivel about
>that being an ad hom attack.
>

     No, not at all.  I just have high standards for myself and others
which apparently you do not have.

>	Take a word of advice, lose the .sig.  Not only are you not
>a net.personality -- you're not a personality in any sense of the word.
>

    Since there is no reason that I can see to take your advice, I
won't.  I am not disputing the fact that I am not a net.personality.
The last half of the last sentence is only your opinion which I do
not care about.

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