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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: WOMBLE Query
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:00:36 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <9212291401.AA21777@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs, Co. 29-Dec-1992 0654" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM> writes:
>Hello Again,
>
>   Yesterday I sent the following information on the surname WAMBLE.
>   Last night I talked to my sister and she told me that our paternal
>   uncle said that he believed that the surname was WOMBLE not WAMBLE.
>   I've received several replies to the original query and am most
>   grateful for the information. Now I need to ask again for the
>   surname WOMBLE. All the information is the same except for the
>   spelling of the surname.
>
Melvyl says... I'll just post these...

1.
Author: Leland, John, 1754-1841.
Title:  A true account how Matthew Womble murdered his wife, who was
pregnant, and his four sons on June the 19th, 1784. 7th ed.
Worcester, Mass. : Printed by Daniel Greenleaf for Richard
Lee, 1801.
Description:    8 p.

Notes:  In verse.
Shaw & Shoemaker, 50230.
Microopaque. New York, N.Y. : Readex Microprint, courtesy of
A.A.S., 1981. 1 microopaque ; 23 x 15 cm. (Early American
imprints.       Second series ; no. 50230)

Subjects:       Womble, Matthew.
Womble family.
Uxoricide -- Virginia -- Isle of Wight County -- Poetry.

Other entries: United States Massachusetts Worcester.
Early American imprints. Second series ; no. 50230.

Call numbers:   UCB     NewsMicro MICROPRINT Early American Imprints
UCSD    Central XP 510 Current Periodical Microform

1.
Author: Wamble, Thelma.
Title:  All in the family / Thelma Wamble. New York : New Voices Pub.
Co. [1953]
Description:    199 p. ; 23 cm.

Call numbers:   UCLA    Spec Coll PS 508.1 W18a

4.
Author: Womble, Dale LaVerne.
Title:  Foundations for marriage and family relations [by] Dale L.
Womble. New York, Macmillan [1969, c1966]
Description:    xiii, 559 p. illus. 24 cm.

Notes:  Includes bibliographical references.

Subjects:       Family life education.

Call numbers:   UCR     Rivera  HQ10 .W63

Happy new year {:-)

TOm
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Spradlin
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:57:58 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%92122408000728@VM1.NODAK.EDU> JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU writes:
>Merry Christmas to all!
>
>Here I go with my question that I seem to ask annually.  Does anyone know any-
>thing about Tobe SPRADLIN (later Sidney Spradlin), my g-grandfather?  He was
>married in Bedford Co., VA on 05/22/1894 to Florence Drewery STINNETT, father of
>Sidney Clayton SPRADLIN, Walker SPRADLIN, John SPRADLIN, et al.  On his marriage
>record, Tobe states that he was born in Bedford Co., VA in March 1873, the son
>of Meador and Paulina SPRADLIN.  I've searched censuses, etc., with no luck
>whatsoever in finding Tobe, Meador, or Paulina prior to the 1894 marriage.  Any
>suggestions, outside of taking two weeks to travel to Virginia to research?
>This is out of the question at this time.
>
>Any help or suggestions would be most appreciated.
>
>Jean Spradlin-Miller
>
>jmiller@prime.mhsl.uab.edu
>
>@

Melvyl says... well... the music might be good.. and there could be a
clue..

5. SOUND RECORDING
Title:  Gettin' up the stairs. Floyd, Va. : County, [1987?]
Description:    1 sound disc : analog, 33 1/3 rpm ; 12 in.

Series: Traditional music of the Cumberland plateau ; v. 1.

Notes:  Title from container.
Booklet containing biographical notes, historical notes, and
program notes (11 p. : ill.) inserted in container.
Contents:       CONTENTS: Skippin' through the frost and the snow.
The French waltz. Me and my old wife had a little falling out
(Clyde Troxell, banjo) -- Sleepin' Lulu. Candy gal (Rocky
Toppers) -- Cumberlin' land (Bessford Hicks, unacc. vocal) --
Gettin' up the stairs. Wild goose chase. Zollie's retreat.
Rattlin' down the acorns. Johnny Booger (Clide Davenport,
fiddle) -- The corn song (Louie Jones, unacc. vocal) -- Wild
Bill Jones. Man of constant sorrow. The pea fowl (Retta
Spradlin, vocals and banjo).
Field recordings and homemade recordings from eastern Kentucky
and Tennessee.

Subjects:       Folk music -- Cumberland Mountains.
Folk-songs, English -- Cumberland Mountains.
Folk music -- Kentucky.
Folk music -- Tennessee.
Banjo music.
Fiddle tunes.

Other entries: Troxell, Clyde, 1911-
Hicks, Bessford, d. 1976.
Davenport, Clyde, 1921-
Jones, Louie, 1922-
Spradlin, Retta, 1903-1978.
Rocky Toppers (Musical group)
Music of the Big South Fork area.

Call numbers:   UCSC    McHenry LS7735 Media Center

It's a long shot... but here is a Stinnet interest in families..
maybe including his own..

22.
Author: Stinnett, Nick.
Title:  Secrets of strong families / Nick Stinnett, John DeFrain. 1st
ed. Boston : Little, Brown, c1985.
Description:    xi, 196 p. ; 22 cm.

Notes:  Includes index.
Bibliography: p. 192-196.

Subjects:       Family life surveys -- United States.
Interpersonal relations.

Other entries: DeFrain, John D.

Call numbers:   UCB     Ed/PsychHQ536 .S7651 1985
UCI     Main LibHQ536 .S765 1985
UCLA    URL     HQ 536 S765 1985
UCR     Rivera  HQ536 .S765 1985
UCSD    Central HQ536 .S765 1985


Good searching over the holidays!

Tom
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:37:03 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Green <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Vital files update
Comments: To: Genealogy Discussion List <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

Best wishes for a sucessful hunt in the coming year, from the frigid
North.  My wish is for something warmer than the current -26.

Several vitals files have been updated.  The Pennsylvania file was
severely corrupted, and a new file has been uploaded to replace it.
There have also been minor additions to the Nationwide, West Virginia,
and Alabama files.  I'm always on the lookout for any information that
would improve these files, so if you find any errors, or have any new
information to add to them, send it along, and I'll make the changes.

To obtain these or any files residing on the Listserv, you've got two
options:

1) FTP to VM1.NoDak.Edu, use the login anonymous, password is your email
   address.  Change directory (cd) to ROOTS-L, and "get" the file.  Note that
   the file name has a period "." separating the two names, as in GENEALOG.VITAL

2) Send an email message to LISTSERV@VM1.NoDak.Edu.  The subject line is
   ignored (if you have to use a subject, I like to be polite and send the
   machine a pleasant "Hi").  In the body of the message, use the form:
   "get GENEALOG VITAL-**".  Note here the period is replaced with a space.  To
   obtain a list of the files available, use the message "/files80 roots-l".
   Be sure and send the message to the LISTSERV and NOT ROOTS-L.

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: berkovej@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Immigration Requirements, 1850 - 1900
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:34:11 PST

I would like to know if anyone knows what the requirements were for entry into
the US by immigrants in the time period from 1850 to 1900.  If an immigrant
arrived at  Castle Garden or Ellis Island, what was required before he would
be admitted to the country?  Was some kind of sponsorship required?  Were there
quotas from different countries of origin?  Did the immigrant need to prove
he would be able to support himself?  And what about the records/documents on
which this information was recorded?  Is it filed somewhere?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Jim Berkovec
From: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Mulattos and the census
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:01:13 GMT
Reply-To: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: rcox@mozart.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Does anyone know of any good reference books or other materials which give
suggestions on researching people of mixed race (what the census refers to 
as mulattos)?  Also, are mulattos always people of mixed Caucasian-Negro 
ancestry, or is this term also used in the census for people of any mixed
racial ancestry?  Also, what percentage of a person's ancestry must be of 
a non-Caucasian race before that person is considered mulatto?  Did the 
census taker ask for the person's race, or did he just give his own best 
guess? 
						Many thanks, 
						Robert Cox
From: lukoff@helen.bush.edu (Benjamin D. Lukoff)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Russia, Netherlands
Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:10:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I discovered these people through the Library of Congress and am currently
trying to find out where they are:

***	F.L. Lukoff, "Commercial agency and distribution agreements and
	problems of licensing in the law of the EEC countries and of the
	European Communities", co-edited with W. van Gerven.
	Publushed in Leuven (Louvain), Netherlands, 1970 by the Faculteit
	der Rechtsgeleerdheid, Universite catholique, institut voor handels-
	recht.
If there is anyone in Leuven or a major Dutch city such as Amsterdam or
Rotterdam I would appreciate any help you could give me in locating
F.L. Lukoff.

***	Nikolai Mikhailovic Lukovu
***	Vadim Borisovich Lukov
***	Valerii Andreevich Lukov

These people published books in Moscow during the late '70's and mid '80s,
and if anyone in Kiev or Moscow (my family is originally from Ukraine)
could locate these people that would be a great help.
Also, if anyone could locate anyone by the name "Ostrogov" that would be
appreciated too.

Please mail any information you might have to: lukoff@helen.bush.edu
rather than posting. Thank you!

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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:26:50 ADT
Reply-To:     holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA
From:         holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA
Subject:      Royal Pedigrees
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Just a quick note to add to royal pedigrees and their validity,
I've not yet seen the Royal GEDCOM files (and thanks to the many
people who straightened me out of GEDCOM being a format not a program.)
Nonetheless, I found --
Anthony Wagner, PEDIGREES AND PROGRESS: ESSAYS IN THE GENEALOGICAL
            INTERPRETATION OF HISTORY
--to be useful. It has some 50 historical pedigrees with European, Roman,
and Ancient World charts and their connections as I recall.  I seem
to recall it providing a lot of documentation.
--Steven Holloway
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 11:03:26 DST
Reply-To:     Kerry Casey <kac@BOM.GOV.AU>
From:         Kerry Casey <kac@BOM.GOV.AU>
Subject:      IGI GEDCOM
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

In reply to David Bright's question about IGI GEDCOM files,
you get an IGI GEDCOM file from the LDS by using
the Family Search CD-ROM program at either a LDS Family History Centre, or
at a public or genealogical society library that has leased the Family
Search program.

It consists of what is on the 1988 IGI microfiche, but on CD-ROM, thus
allowing searches like:

list all OLIVERs in England/Wales.

You can then dump this info in either straight text or GEDCOM format
onto a floppy disk, and take it home to study at your own leisure.


(It also contains other information, like the USA Department of Social
Security Death Index, and Ancestral File, a set of family trees submitted
by individuals like ourselves - there is a contact name and address for each
one, so that you can write to the person who submitted the family tree if you
think you have family in common.)


As far as I know, the Family Search CD-ROM is not available on-line (ie on the
computer network), and is not available for private purchase (you must be a
 public
library or genealogical society library, and I think it is leased, not bought.)

I hope this helps.

Kerry Casey

Looking for CASEY BERRIMAN OLIVER WALSH
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:30:18 ADT
Reply-To:     holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA
From:         holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA
Subject:      Royalty GedCom and GEDCOM program
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Concerning the message about the availability of the Royalty GEDCOM files,

I assume to view these, one must first have acquired the GEDCOM program.
DOes anyone one know where I could do so?

This is all a bit frustrating.  For years I have relied on a program
called Family Ties.  But after a several weeks on this list and nobody
but nobody mentioning it, I concluded I was driving an Edsell.

Therefore I rushed out and got a copy of Brothers Keeper (5.1) which
was being hyped at the time.  My first shock was to find nothing in
the documentation on IMPORTING files.  Assuming that Family Ties was so
obscure that converting my old labours was lost cause, I rolled up
my sleeves and started over.  Currently I've entered almost 500 names
and that's just one side of the family.

As I've gotten to know BK better, there have been other shocks.  I like
the capability to print descendent charts, but personally I like
Family Ties' Ancester charts tons better.

And as I've followed this list thru the past months, it seems that many
more people are using this GEDCOM program.  Have I goofed again?

Most of my prior experience with databases has been the standards (DBase,
Paradox, and so on). But the key thing is they IMPORT AND EXPORT TO
EACH OTHER LIKE A CHARM.  If I've got my CD collection on any one of them,
and something better comes along, I'm virtuely certain to be able to switch over
with a few simple commands.

One more example: I've been looking at Family TreeMaker, which a friend
says makes great charts.  But the documentation has nary a word about
importing.  I'll be d****d if I'll type in 500 names again.

Is there a list anywhere of what will talk to what?  Or all they all
monolingual?  This seems now to me to be one of THE MAIN CONSIDERATIONS
in getting a program.


Steven K Holloway   Internet:  Holloway@essex.stfx.ca
  St Francis Xavier Univ,  Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada, B2G 1C0
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:32:41 EDT
Reply-To:     Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
From:         Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
Subject:      Re: HOW & WHERE TO ARCHIVE GEN. DOCUMENTS
Comments: To: casault@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Comments: cc: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Rick,
>
>How do genealogists archive the documents they collect to support their
>genealogies?  When a genealogist dies (that's the only way they quit
>gathering materials) ;-) their work may or may not have been published.
>But the files full of documents and notes have great value to future
>genealogists.  What happens to those materials?
>
>I ask for two reasons.  First, I have the published genealogy of the
>Casault family in Quebec, but haven't been able to find the authors'
>supporting documentation.  Second, I am beginning to gather materials that
>I want to ensure are preserved for some future genealogist.
>
>Storage space is expensive.  Most libraries probably can't afford to
>archive boxes full of genealogical materials.  Family members are
>unreliable in most cases.  Are there other organizations, like historical
>or genealogical societies, who will provide safekeeping?   Would some
>agency be willing to store the material if it is reduced to microform?

The New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston, the nation's
oldest genealogical society, has been archiving genealogical collections
for many years now, and you might talk to them about both of your
questions.  They now have a rather extensive manuscript collection with
its own separate card catalog.  With regard to the Casualt family in
Quebec, you might try the American-Canadian Genealogical Society in
Manchester, NH.  They specialize in French-Canadian genealogy and might
be able to give you some leads.

Happy New Year!

Bob Oliphant
oliphant@bbn.com

**Researching OLIPHANT, DAVIDSON, STRANAGHAN, HORTON, MAY, MILLER**
****GEIST, ROHRBACH, ALLEN, PORTER, BEARDSLEY, CANTLEY, CROSLEY****
From: larris@igc.apc.org (Lelani Arris)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: ELEY/ELY/IHLE PA,OH,west
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:08:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476800003:000:1792
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!larris    Dec 20 16:08:00 1992


 
Hi All -
 
After just browsing this newsgroup for a long time I figured it
was time to put in my query.
 
I am currently researching the ELEY/EALY/ELY (IHLE?) families
that went from Schuylkill/Lancaster Cos (PA) to Washington Co.,
PA (Buffalo and East Finley Twps.) about 1800.  There were three
men in particular:
 
George EALY/ELEY b. ca.1744 d. Mar 1830 Washington Co., PA
Michael ELEY "Sr." b. ca.1745 d.1819 Washington Co., PA
Michael ELEY "Jr." b. ca.1750 d. ca.1830 Morrow Co., OH
 
All these men were German in descent and may have been born in
Germany.  They lived close to each other in Washington Co., and
many of their sons and daughters emigrated to Ohio - often to
the same townships.  Although a relationship has long been
suspected by researchers, none has yet been documented.
 
Descendants of these men moved to Knox, Delaware, Coshocton and
Franklin Counties in Ohio, and spread from there to other Ohio
counties as well as Iowa, Indiana, and Wisconsin.
 
I have amassed a substantial database on these families, but there
is much conflicting information and lots of missing pieces.  I
would like to correspond with anyone who is researching this name
or who may have encountered it anywhere in their research.
 
I am also interested in any publications that contain information
about this family.  Dr. Raymond Martin Bell wrote some papers a few
years ago that I have, but aside from a couple of county histories
that mention members of my line of the family, I have seen little
else, and am too far awy from research libraries to do much "hands
on" work.
 
Anyone who is interested - I have a great deal of information on
some branches of this family, up to the present in some cases,
that I am happy to share...
 
Cheers -
 
Lelani
Jasper, Alberta
larris@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:06:10 EST
Reply-To:     "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Interlibrary Loan
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU, fr@COMPU.COM

Come on Fred!!  You hve forgotten the purpose of libraries.  Around here
(Fairfax Co. Va), because of "shortage of fundings" (note that the tax
bill went up more than inflation), libraries are limiting their hours.
Fair enough, except they choose to close at nights and weekends - the
only time when the people paying the bills have access to them!  They
could just as easily close Mondays and Wednesdays, and open at noon
the rest of the days.
jp
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: berkovej@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Czech Genealogical Society Address?
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:15:06 PST

I understand there is a Czech Gen. Soc.  Does anyone know how to contact them?
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:16:53 MST
Reply-To:     MELISSA PENDLETON <DUSPENDL@IDBSU.BITNET>
From:         MELISSA PENDLETON <DUSPENDL@IDBSU.BITNET>

Set Roots-L nomail
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:01:56 MST
Reply-To:     Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
From:         Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
Subject:      libraries
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

 While on the subject, I have found some libraries to be distrubingly
 insular and self - centered.  The most recent example is our library
 here at the University.

 I'm involved in a project to do computer restoration on historic photos.
 We were trying to figure out which hi res scanner we might want to buy.
 To do this, we are interested in scanning in 100+ year old glass plate
 negatives.  Now, this isn't something that the scanner manufacturers
 run into every day, so they couldn't say if it would work or not using
 the normal transparency option, but they invited me to try it out.

 So, I needed to borrow a glass plate negative for a day to take down
 to Phoenix to try out various pieces of equipment.  Believe it or not
 I could NOT get the NAU library to loan me a glass plate.  I told 'em
 it didn't have to be historically significant, it could even be
 broken...I just needed an example of the technology.  I cajoled them
 for a week, even took over samples of what had already been done.
 No soap -

 Now, I could understand their reluctance if I was Joe Cool walking in off
 the street and they'd never heard of me before, but I'v been in the faculty
 here for FIVE YEARS.  It's not like I'm gonna get their photo and make
 a dash for the Mexican border... Needless to say, I was HEAVILY P!SSED.

 I finally went over to the local historical society, where I AM Joe
 Cool walking in off the street, and got a plate from them, no sweat.
 Took it to Phoenix to do my tests, returned it the next day.

 GUESS WHO is going to be included on my grant application, and who
 isn't...

 That's the problem with many libraries - inflexibility.  They say,
 "Oh we can't do that - it's against the rules". But when you ask to
 speak to whomever makes the rules, they are always mysteriously
 absent...

 On the whole, generally, I'd say that historical societies are much
 more cooperative than libraries.  I should mention though that the
 LDS libraries are pretty cooperative, although you have to mostly
 use stuff on-site.  They are pretty forward looking.  They had the
 initial CD rom indexes on PCs as early as 1987 (the first time I
 ever saw one, as a matter of fact).  And they were open to my suggestion
 of making the research outlines available thru the Internet (which,
 by the way, I hope to do again when(if) I find another cooperative
 site).


- Bob Wier

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