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From: zzjim@stein.u.washington.edu (Zeming Gao)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Help!
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:27:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov23.002741.13988
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


   I am having a hard time choosing between following two CD players. 

   1, Yamaha CD-X560 $249
   2, NAD 5442(? NAD's bottom of the line single) $299

   Because the two CD players are sold at different stores, i can't do a
side-by-side comparison for the sound. Yamaha is cheaper and I like it's
looking and features. It would have been an apparent choosing if the name 
of NAD didn't imply so much who-knows-what to me. I would choose NAD
if it sounds apparently better. Thinking in the dark is driving me crazy.
Please make a quick suggestion and save me a holiday mood!
   
    Thanks in advance.

    Jim
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: The end of cassettes,   was...Re: So? Anyone have dcc yet?
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:32:55 GMT

In article <7490249@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)  
writes:
> 
> Whoa, folks!  I am NOT saying that cassettes WILL necessarily go the
> way of the 8-track; just giving an example of a medium that DID essentially
> vanish overnight.  A better analogy might be the LP - vinyl is taking a  
little
> longer to leave, but does anyone doubt that its days ARE numbered, like it
> or not?
> 
> 
Not to refute anything you're saying, but as a sidebar, it's interesting how  
much vinyl is actually still available. It depends very much on who's doing the  
buying for the store. I walked into a local record store and found a lot of  
LP's (including new releases) that I had thought were CD-only releases due to  
the fact that most stores (and I would guess ALL chains) don't stock them as  
LP's.

Gordon
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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Defeating SCMS
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:11:40 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <24192@alice.att.com> ark@alice.UUCP () writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.185500.20300@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>> The biggest problem is that it soon will be illegal to build or use such
>> devices in the US.  The Home Recording Rights Act is now law.
>
>Or, if I remember correctly, even to talk about how to do it.

Because, as we all know, it violates the proscription against
violent overthrow of the government.

				--Blair
				  "Ronald Reagan had an 11."
From: eds@po.CWRU.Edu (Ethan D. Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Need speaker opinion
Date: 24 Nov 1992 03:13:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Hi there!  I'm looking to build a second system in my home, and
not looking to spend a killer amount of money, as I've blown 
it all on my first system!  This system will just be a secondary 
source of music listening, as I'll still be doing most of it on
my primary system.  Anyhow, I've got an old Pioneer VSX-3300 
which is an amp/tuner @ 100 watts.  My buddy has a pair of
DESIGN ACOUSTICS PS-10 speakers.  I know they are not great,
but they are small and powerful.  I can get them pretty cheap,
with still 1 year on warranty.  Any opinions on these speakers?

Ethan

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*  Case Western Reserve U.  * it would burn off both your ears."*
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: zzjim@stein.u.washington.edu (Zeming Gao)
Subject: Opinions on Pioneer CD player PD-S501?
Keywords: CD player
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:30:44 GMT


   Any opinions on Pioneer CD player PD-S501? (Yes, the one with 
the music face up loading). Has anyone out there compared this 
unit side-by-side with Yamaha CD-X560? 

  I am especially considering to buy a Pioneer PD-S501 because 
it has a remote out-put level control(not phone volume control), 
which i need badly because my amplifier does not have remote control. 
Does Yamaha CD-X560 have this feature?

Thanks in advance for suggestions.

Jim


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: Help!
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.230811.20378@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>Oh - you say I forgot the 5th format.    Well, it was a quad
>cassette.  Philips was quite farsighted in the original compact
>cassette design.  By keeping the tracks in the same relative
>position - not interleaved as in reel-reel stereo, Philips quad
>entry was compatible.  Quad played on stereo and played on
>mono.

You forgot one - quadraphonic 8-track.  It still had 8 tracks
but only two programs, and used a double long tape.  I actually
had one of these in my '68 Chevelle.  I think I was only able
to find a handful of quad cartridges, however.


-- 
Seth J. Bradley, Senior System Administrator, Intel SCIC
Internet: sbradley@scic.intel.com   UUCP: uunet!scic.intel.com!sbradley
----------------------------------------
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
From: kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Question on A/V Receiver usage
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:34:08 GMT
	<1e8no1INNa1t@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>
Organization: MITEL Public Switching, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
In-reply-to: twong@civil.ubc.ca's message of 16 Nov 92 18:02:41 GMT

In article <1e8no1INNa1t@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:

| What I have is a stereo VCR that's hooked up to my stereo system
| hence I can do this same thing already. So a A/V Receiver will mean
| no benefits for me? Are there other usages for A/V Receivers I can't
| conceive of as yet? Thanks in advance.

Many A/V receivers allow multi-room speaker setups. That is, they can
play different sources in different rooms at the same time, using the
extra amplifiers that are not in use when not in pro-logic mode.

Many can record a video or audio source (or both) in the background
while another source is watched or heard.

Of course, most are now pro-logic, so you can hook up 5 or 6 speakers
and get theatre quality (actually much better than most theatres)
sound.

They're great gadgets.
--
Kim Letkeman	kim@Software.Mitel.COM
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: More CD skipping...
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.103254.881@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.235544.24722@raven.alaska.edu>,
> fsgab@ix.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Grant A Beaugard) writes:

>> What about near-new, unscratched CDs which skip?

>> Is this an error in encoding? A slightly different type of encoding?  
>> Error-correction errors? Enquiring minds want to know.

>This is due to small differences in the track pitch between European and
>domestic CD mastering plants.  CD players and disks intended for the U.S.
>market are set up based on the Engligh system of measurements, while European
>ones go by metric-based standards.  You can often get a metric CD to play on an
>English player, or vice versa, but it's like trying to use an SAE socket wrench
>on the head of a metric-sized bolt... it just doesn't fit very well. 

>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 

Now Jamie, you are only 2/3 correct!

Everyone knows that the English use Whitworth.  It's the Europeans and 
Far-East that use metric.  And the yanks use SAE.

>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 

(If you don't understand the above - you've never been around a vintage
English car.    Can you imagine having three sets of wrenches!)

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: Interesting function on an old Dennon CD player
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:25:05 GMT

In <1992Nov18.085446.18282@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (peter christopher norton) writes:

>I was wondering, audiophiles, about a C.D. player that I bought a long time
>ago from a friend who was moving away....

>The interesting feature is an "Index" button, which I haven't been able to
>figure out... meaning I lost the manual soon after I got it home. 
>Otherwise, I've been in love with it for the past few years, but if there's
>something useful that I can do with it, please tell me.  

>If this is the wrong newsgroup, then just tell me, and we'll all just 
>quietly let this message die...

You've got the right spot. Though I haven't heard much about it for awhile,
indexing was a scheme designed for long tracks on a CD (such as a lot of
classical music or Innagottadivita [whatever]). The CD would have four
tracks, but a twenty minute piece of music might have several index points
within it so that you could forward to these spots of music. If you listen
to popular musics, I wouldn't worry about it.

Paul
From: BARRON@RHQVM14.VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:55:18 EST
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Various Speaker design opinions wanted
Reply-To: BARRON@RHQVM14.VNET.IBM.COM

All,
  I have now listened to the accuton 211 and 277 drivers (midrange
and tweeter).  I was VERY impressed.

  I am thinking of designing and implementing the following systems
and would like your opinions on the various design philosophies.

1. 211 tweet, 277 mid, and Eton 11" short throw woofer in large
(4 cubic foot plus) enclosure.  Lots of bass extension, but I'm not
sure if it will image all that well with such a large enclosure.
I'm also pretty confident that the eton 11" will go up the 400hz xover point.

2. 211 tweet, 277 mid, and Eton 8" long throw in high but narrow cabinet.
This will be physically less obtrusive with about 10hz less in bass
extension.  I think it may image better, and the 8" woofer may be quicker
and mate better with the accutons.

3. New accuton low resonant freq tweeter (2000hz) and eton 7" or 8"
std. woofer. PLUS Tekton 18" subwoofer for low, and I mean low
bass extension.  Small box, Imaging should be superb, but I am
concerned over overall system balance.

I am basing all these designs around a $1000-$1500 price goal.

I have heard the std aria 3 with 211, 277 and focal 415s woofer.
I thought the tweeter mid interface was superb, but the focal woofer
didn't do it for me.  I also heard the 211 and 277 with cabasse woofer.
This also didn't do it for me.  It seems these drivers are very
hard to mate with a woofer.   This is why I am leaning towards
the etons.  They are expensive, but fast, and should mate
well with the accutons.

Organization: Advantis Network Engineering and Planning
Disclaimer: This reflects the poster's views, not those of Advantis
News-Software: Usenet 3.0
X-X-From: Dave Barron
From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD skipping?!?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:31:46 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

In rec.audio, durway@mpd.tandem.com (Lindsey Durway) writes:
>My Sony CDP-500 CD changer skips consistently on two tracks:
>one particular track on a friend's Bob Marley CD, and one
>particular track on a Bruce Hornsby CD.  The skips always occur
>at the same spots.  What's the deal?  Is this one of those
>problems I can cure by marking the edge of the CD?  By cleaning
>the lens?

The fault is with the CDs, not the player.  Don't mess with the lens
or you'll endanger your CD player.

I have experienced similar problems.  It has either been smudges or
scratches on the CDs.  Cleaning of CDs must be done properly - strokes
should be radially outward.  I have used plain old dishwashing liquid
with warm - not hot - water.  I allow them to dry in a rack. or use
a soft, slightly damp paper towel, with RADIAL strokes.  Whn that hasn't
worked, I try another player.  If it works, make a tape copy.

Different players have different processes.  I have an old Panasonic
portable player which now sits in my video editing room.  I have a Sony
CDP-ES(?) 5-disc change in my living room and a Sony CarDsicman D802K
to carry around.  The Panasonic (circa 1985) is the most finicky.  The
changer (1988) is much better in handling scratched discs.  The Car
Discman is the winner and will handle major scratches when the CDP-ES
won't.


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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Does anyone have Yamaha DSP-E200 or similar model?
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:03:55
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: leejun@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:13:51 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:13:51 GMT, leejun@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Jun H Lee) said:

leejun> Does anyone own Yamaha DSP-E200 or similar Yamaha model?  I
leejun> like to know how you like the model for surround system.

I have a DSP-E200. It sounds great playing LD's. The cantina scene in
Star Wars sounds awsome. It's like your in the bar. 

leejun> E200 model has 3 channel amps and can the master volume
leejun> control the front left and right speakers since it will be
leejun> amplified by other amp?

Yes, 25-watts for the 2 rear, and Center. I was told by a rep. at
another store that 25-watts wouldn't cut it, but it sounds loud,
crisp, and clear to me. The master volume controls all speakers, but
the levels for each can be individually fine tuned. I played with my
AMP for the fronts til I found a good volume level to leave it at, and
fine tune through the DSP. Also I can mute the whole system from the
DSP remote, which is nice.

leejun> How about the Yamaha surround speakers?

I have NHT's for the surround. They sound great.

leejun> Someone posted that he did not like the sound when he played
leejun> CD. Someone suggested to use other mode. Did it work?

I have played CD's through mine from day 1 without a problem.
--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:52:17 GMT
Subject: Re: HELP! Info on MD and DCC
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

> > 	The record
> > 
> Thomas Edison invented the cylinder record; I don't know who invented
> the disc record.  Peter Goldmark of CBS is usually credited with
> inventing the LP record (1948).


Oddly enough, Thomas Edison invented BOTH formats - he experimented with
the disc design fairly early on.  He just commercialized the cylinder
first.

> 
> For some years Lear Seigler, Inc., owned rights to it but I don't
> know who actually invented it.  Who would want to take credit for it?
> > 

I have been informed by several people, via e-mail (they couldn't post),
that it was in fact Bill Lear.  (Or was that Normal Lear? :-))


> BTW, stereo records were first manufactured in 1957.

Hey, anybody remember the ORIGINAL stereo disc format, in which there were 
two completely separate tracks, and you played the thing with a Y-shaped
tonearm?


Bob Myers            | "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." 
myers@fc.hp.com      |                     - Lazarus Long/Robert A. Heinlein
                     |
From: randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Need help on choosing < $700 speakers
Date: 23 Nov 1992 04:02:37 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Nov23.012244.27637@leland.Stanford.EDU> bosco@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Bosco) writes:
>Well, as the title says, I'm looking for speakers in the $ 600 - $700 
>these speakers are going to be an integral part of my living room, which 
>consists of mostly modern furniture, I'm looking for floor standing, black
>speakers.  I guess smaller speakers with stands would be OK, but I definitely
>don't want oak or wood grain speakers (my fiancee would kill me :-) ).

The only way you can get semi good speakers for that price is to buy
a quality kit and build them yourself.  

give these guys a call...

Madisound
8608 University Green
Box 4283
Madison, Wi 53711
(608) 831-3433

They also sell black MDF cabs for all their kits.  Be sure to inquire
about their Dyne Audio and Focal speaker kits.  You may want to buy 
speakers that are well suited for the addition of a future subwoofer
if you like that rock stuff.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: geno@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Geno J. Baruffi III)
Subject: Technics, adding speakers to b channel
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:34:47 GMT

Hello

	I asked this question before and didn't get any responses so
I'm going to try again.

	I have a technics SA-GX710, that I would like to add 2 more speakers
to. (There is an A+B for the front speakers) Currently I have a pair of
Mirage M-490's running at 6 ohms on the front channels.  I would like to
add a pair of M-290's to the b-channels and maybe later the Mirage Subwoofer.

My question is this.  
1.	When I add the 2 290's the speakers would be run in parallel (right?)
Now this would divide the ohms in half ( that would be 3 ohms, correct)
As far as I can gather, the technics can only drive a 4 ohm load.  So does
this mean neither one of the speakers would work, or would they work with
much heat generated by the amp, and would doing this damage my amplifier.

2. Now assuming the same scenario above, substitute a 90 watt/channel powered
subwoofer.  How would this change things?

I would be very grateful for any information that you could give me.

I'm trying to plan out the expansion of my system, and would like to build
in pieces.

Thanks 
  Geno
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Surround Sound -- Front-to-Back ratios?
Keywords: Surround Sound Pro Logic
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:33:30 GMT

In article <Bxw3MK.K2I@world.std.com>, bobsoron@world.std.com (Bob Soron) writes:
|> I'm in the market for a Pro Logic receiver. I know I need to check that
|> the center channel is the same as the two rear channels.

  I believe you have this wrong.  The center channel power should be
the same as the two FRONT channels, NOT the surround channel.  The
relationship between the center and surround channels is not nearly
as important in the overall performance/quality/sound experience of
a home theater.

|> But there's a
|> wide disparity among the front-to-back output of these things. Some of
|> them are 100/100/10/10/10, and some are 80/80/20/20/20. I gather that would
|> be a noticeable difference. 
|> 

  The two amplifier configurations you mention are not very good.
Something on the order of 80/80/80/25/25 is much better because the
center power matches the left/right mains.  The next step is to match
the speakers themselves...

|> Obviously, there's a lot of other factors, like the room size (pretty
|> small in this case, perhaps 9' x 12'), but I'm wondering what's better
|> in the general case -- a smaller or larger ratio?
|> 

  In the general case, my personal opinion is a smaller ratio is better.
I happened to see, but not audition :-(, a $10,000+ THX approved system
that amplified ALL channels to 250 watts.  Of course, you can compensate
for power disparity (moderately) by adjusting speaker position and seating
position in the room, and then fine tuning the output levels of each of
the channels using a built-in pink noise generator.  In the absence of
that, you can use the laser disc LD-101: A Video Standard, which includes
a chapter on surround sound calibration and speaker set-up.

|> Thanks for any & all info. If anyone out there owns one of these suckers
|> and wants to contribute reviews, I'm Ross Perot. :-) My budget's around
|> $400.
|> 

  There are numerous a/v amplifiers in your price range.  Look into
Yamaha and Denon, in particular.  They're the best I've heard for under
$2000.

|> Bob
|> bobsoron@world.std.com
|> "With Velcro, gravity is obsolete" -- Mister Boffo
|> 

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  /\ \ \ \  Anshu Prasad                        stud1b53@bnr.ca
 /--\ \/_/  Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
/_/  \_\    All opinions are my own, not my employer's, BNR Ltd
From: ihm@cs.purdue.edu (Insung Ihm)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Info. needed
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:21:34 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ector.cs.purdue.edu

Hi,
Does any of you know a trustworthy mail-order audio shop (preferably in 
the Chicago area)? Then would you give me the number of the shop?
Please e-mail any information regarding this to me (ihm@cs.purdue.edu),
and I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.

Insung Ihm

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Subject: Re: Cable Design Proposal
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:25:19 GMT


In article <7490255@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, Bob Myers corrects:

> > FYI, common conductors have propagation velocities of greater than 0.9c.
> > 
> > Rich
> 
> Well, maybe.
> 
> ...For most common plastic
> insulating materials, k is between 1.5 and 5, so we generally see propagation
> in the range of 0.5-0.8 c; most common in coax is 0.6-0.7.  Twinlead or
> twisted-pair construction has higher velocities, as more of the field travels
> in air, for a lower effective dielectric constant.

You're right, Bob -- I wasn't thinking about foamed coax, but single
conductors.

For RG8, 58, & 59U, it's about 75-85%; 300ohm twin-lead solid, 80-85%; 300ohm
twin-lead foam 85-90%; open wire 300ohm, 90-95%; open wire 600ohm, 95%; single
wire, 95%.  Foamed poly is typically 75-85%.

BTW, another term for this is "velocity factor".  Sorry.

Rich
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Pioneer/Elite ProLogic receivers
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:27:37 GMT

Does anyone have any Pioneer or Elite Pro Logic receivers ?
I am thinking of getting the VSX511 since it has enough inputs
and the price is right, but have not yet had the time to do
listening tests. Are there any other receivers I should consider 
in a similar price range ? Thanks in advance ...