From: jad@ckuxb.att.com (John A Dinardo)
Subject: Part V, CHEMOTHERAPY: Deadly Treatment Yields Lively Profits
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: the politics and the profits of the cancer industry
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:49:37 GMT

        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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GARY NULL:
And I'm not one of Dr. Burton's biggest fans. I mean, I don't like
the man. I don't like his arrogance, his ego, his nastiness. He kept
me waiting one day eight hours sitting out in the sun at 98 degrees
while he was lambasting me and any other journalist. And ironically,
it was my articles and my work on 60 MINUTES that got him national
publicity. And here he's letting me sit outside when I was down
there to help HIM get publicity for his clinic.

RALPH MOSS:
And also, the worst thing of all is that he doesn't publish his methods
or his results. That's the biggest thing. I mean, he doesn't try.

GARY NULL:
He doesn't want to, and he's very arrogant about it. He also did
some things that I felt were not very complimentary with his
patients when his patients were all sitting around in a room, and
it was very hot. And I said to them: "Well surely, Dr. Burton will
help you."  And they said: "No, he won't."  And I said: "Sure he will."
So I went over to Burton and first he wouldn't answer the door.
So I went around and I was going to climb through a window. So I
opened up this window and there he's sitting at a desk. And I yelled
at him. I said: "Burton, you've heard me out here for an hour and a
half. Your patients are dying over here. Open the door!"  And he says:
"Oh, it's you."  So he opens the door. I swear to God, if this guy
was 25 years old, I'd say: ""Here's one arm tied behind my back. I'm
going to kick your butt."  Anyhow, I really can't stand the man on a
personal level.  But that's beside the point. I praise him on his
science, and that's what's important.  And I said: "Are you just
going to sit here?"  He says: "Well, my hands are tied."  And then he
goes into this whole long diatribe.  And I said: "Look, If they tell
you that you can't treat your patients, and your patients are going
to die, are you going to just let them die?"  I said: "Bring them in
at night. I'll go over and get them and bring them over with you."
  "Well, the Prime Minister ....."  I said: "Is it the Prime Minister
who's doing all this?"  He said: "That's what we hear."  So I went to
the Prime Minister. I tracked him down. He was at a cocktail party.

RALPH MOSS:
Prime Minister Manley?

GARY NULL:
Yes.
He goes to get on an elevator. I jump in the elevator. He's got his
bodyguard there. His bodyguard looks at me and starts to pull back
his jacket. He's got a gun.  And I said: "I'm from ABC Network Radio."
(which was true). I said: "I'm here to ask you a question. Are you
being told by anyone in the United States -- in our Justice
Department, State Department, American Medical Association, or any
other organizations -- to close down this clinic? Yes or no!"
And he looked at me.  I said: "You're going to give me an answer.
And you're going to give me an answer before this elevator stops.
I have a right to that information and his patients have a right to
that information."  I said: "Yes or no, are you, as we have been led
to believe ..... are you being used in a political game to close
down a man's clinic that is going to cause people to DIE?  Is that
what this is about?"  And then he looked at me and he said: "No."
I said: "Then are you going to allow that clinic to remain open 
until tests are done to determine if the challenges against him are
accurate or not?"  And he said: "I'll consider it."  I said: "Well,
you've got people who are going to die in the interim." I said: "We
want to know."  And I had a tape recorder. I was taping him, and he
saw it right up there in his face. Had I not had the tape recorder,
I don't know what would have happened to me.

Anyhow, I went back to the patients and I told them, I said: "Get in
there and get a support group."  So they got in there. Anyhow, it's
a long story and .....

RALPH MOSS:
You see, the point is that the Government DID extend its hand over
to the Bahamas. 

GARY NULL:
Of course.  It was utterly corrupt.

RALPH MOSS:
And it was only due to the fact that the patients organized that
they got it open again.

GARY NULL:
There were so many lies coming out of the White House, you couldn't
even imagine.

RALPH MOSS:
I know.  It's unbelievable. I know that certainly the White House
was involved in it.

GARY NULL:
Of course it was because when we confronted one of the White House
advisors on this, they had started a rumor, and the rumor was then
taken as fact and was given in a speech by one of the people at the
National Cancer Institute. And when they were challenged on the
numbers and accuracy, they said, well they had heard it from someone.
And the person whom I then called and asked said that they didn't
mean it that way. And I said: "Well you've started this whole smear
campaign and there's no accuracy in it."  Anyhow the Office of
Technology Assessment we expected to be honest and fair in their
investigation of whether or not alternative therapies worked. As it
turns out, they covered up -- blatantly covered up positive evidence
that was supportive of alternative cancer treatments. They refused
to even circulate three scientific papers that they commissioned
from the University of Illinois researcher because they were, quote:
"TOO POSITIVE".

RALPH MOSS:
But the good thing that came out of it was that out of the struggle
of March 8th and 9th of 1989, they appointed another person to do
the recommendations, and the recommendations are fairly positive.
That and a few other things are the only positive things, really,
that came out of the report, but it was enough to set the stage for
touching the appropriations for the National Institutes of Health,
and that's really why N.I.H. is jumping now -- because suddenly
they're confronting a sitution with Senator Harkin and ex-Congressman
Berkeley Bedell[?] where people with clout are able to say: "We want
research done this way, and not the other way."  And I think that's
an exciting development.

GAARY NULL:
It is, but we have to understand that the whole issue we're dealing
with here is that all it takes is someone in power to make a call
to the appropriate authorities in power to say: "Shut it down.
Close it up."  And then you see a cascade of bad news in the media...

RALPH MOSS:
Oh yeah! Well it started that day we got down there to Washington.
They had three N.I.H. researchers on, I think it was, the CBS
Evening News saying: "This is a terrible waste of taxpayers' money."
Can you IMAGINE?  They've spent TWO BILLION dollars per year on
this dead-end cancer war, and we get two million (that's one
thousandth of that) for investigating alternative therapies. And
THAT'S the terrible waste of taxpayers' money??  It wasn't a waste
of taxpayers' money to throw out tens and hundreds of billions of
dollars and to wind up with a death rate that is about the SAME as
when they started the war on cancer. In fact, the mortality rate
for Black people is greater for cancer deaths than it was thirty
years ago.

GARY NULL:
Ralph, the fact is that we have a medical Vietnam.  It's very
profitable to be in the cancer BUSINESS.  It's very profitable to be
in any of the businesses where you have people in high places who
will continue to fund them and who will continue to deny the
legitimacy of counterpoints and alternative perspectives.

I want to thank you very much for sharing the insights you have in
this particular segment of our program.
Ralph Moss, author of CANCER INDUSTRY.
                        (end of report)
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        Someone close to you may now, or in the future, be fighting
        for their life against cancer, the dreaded scourge of modern
        societies. They will then need to exercise their RIGHT to
        explore the untold side of the cancer story -- the side which 
        the drug INDUSTRY, the medical INDUSTRY and the mass-media
        INDUSTRY would not want cancer victims to know about.
        Please post the articles of this series to other bulletin 
        boards, as well as posting hardcopies in public places,  
        both on and off campus.
        
        And ask your librarian to borrow for you (through the
        nationwide inter-library loan network) THIRD OPINION, by
        John Fink, 1992 edition, a directory of cancer treatment
        clinics throughout the world, many of which do not treat
        cancer by poisoning the patient.

            John DiNardo


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