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From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:33:57 GMT

In article <22JAN199314235643@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, prmader@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MICHELLE MADER) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.150555.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes...
>>>> >> >Currently schools are teaching that ALL drug use is bad and that alcohol
>>>> >> >is a drug hence social drinking parents do the dance. How do we deal
>>>> >> >with the fact that in many cases recreational use of some drugs isnt all
>>>> >                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          
>>>> >> >that bad either? 
>> 
>>It could be beneficial in fact. See this study from the "National Bureau of
>>Economic Research.
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>From the "New Internationalist" December 1992
>> 
>>	Drug Users defy Stereotype
>> 







>>a long-term study conducted by the National Bureau of Economic Research in
>>New York. The drug-use habits of 5000 young adults were compared across the 
>>US. The survey was first done in 1984 and repeated in 1989 to the same group 
>>of people, with an average age of 24 and then 27. It shows drug users do not 
>>drop out of the workforce quicker than drug-free employees. In fact they are 
>>often the most inquisitive and talented people at the workplace.
>>				(from the Pacific News Service,August 1992



> 
> 
> This sounds like the most incredible bull to me.  First of all, most
> drug use is illegal and you are going to have a hard time finding
> people who will tell you the truth about theirs, especially at work.

This is a major problem with any study of illicit drug use. If drug use
is underestimated because of the reticence of people to tell the truth
then this makes the conclusion of the research cited above even stronger.


> I am acquainted with many people in their 30's & 40's who use pot.
> They have little or no drive and initiative.

I am acquainted with  quite few people in their 30's 40's 50's who use pot.
They are very successful and have exceptional drive and initiative, though
all tend to be a bit flamboyant.
This does not a study make, and neither does your experience.

My feeling is that the pot doesn't cause any of these things - it may be used
by those with no drive or initiative, as a quick way of getting a purpose,
or by those with lots of initiative, to satisfy their curiosity or whatever.

-- 

Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
                  New Zealand
From: rabbit@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: More humorous developmental milestones
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:58:41 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: lindy.stanford.edu

In article <LOWRY.93Jan21160201@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>In article <1jmn6oINN3m4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
> >      I enjoyed the funny milestones someone posted earlier, such as
> > being able to stall past bedtime an excessive amount, or the 1st time the
> > kid yells "no!" at you.  I thought of some others, with smileys for all:
> ...
> > Cognitive
> >      By age 1.5, most children will be able to time the moment they need
> > something *exactly* when a parent gets busy doing something else
>
>A common instance of the above milestone is when the baby develops the
>skill required to consistently wake up from a nap at the exact moment
>Mommy and Daddy are sitting down to dinner.  The drive to prevent
>Mommy and Daddy from enjoying a simple meal together can be very
>strong.

AND...

An explaination of "growth spurts":  A child can will itself to grow
that critical 1/8" to reach the fascinating (read dangerous/fragile)
household item that you put out of reach the day before.

Aleta

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Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Toddler biting and AIDS transmission
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:57:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1k96r1INN19b@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> Laura Floom writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan28.140212.19972@iti.org> jag@iti.org (Jacqueline A. Giles) writes:
>>I think it is an appropriate reaction.  My daughter has been bitten
>>ALOT at daycare and I finally went non-linear over it, especially
>>since working in the medical field and finding out their are young
>>children popping up with aids and no explaination for it.
>>
>
>With the attitude towards AIDS in this country I am amazed that
>young children are popping up with AIDS, and the press hasnt turned it
>into a big story. It is the first I have heard of it. Has anyone else
>heard this?
 
Hi Laura,
 
Yes, I have heard of this.  There are approx. 80 children (or was it
people) in the US who have unexplained AIDS.  There was an article
in People (?) magazine a couple months back about a little girl
(10-12 years or so?) who has AIDS and they have found NO explanation
for it.  No blood transfusion, no sex, no nothing.  She had been
hospitalized for something like pneumonia, or some such, but there
is nothing recorded which explains the AIDS.  I'm sorry to be so
vague, but yes I did read it.  It does exist.  I am not repeating
rumors, I promise.
 
>Could you, or anyone else please give some facts about this? It is
>rather important!
 
I think it was People magazine.  I read it in my dentist's waiting
room.  The story made me cry - hormonally enhanced, right?
 
>Laura Floom
>
>
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 01:25:47 EST

There's always Moira.

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* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:20:24 GMT

My 2yo daughter often goes from bed to potty in the morning.  She also
often dawdles about getting dressed.  We often take clothes to the
bathroom and take her sleeper off as she sits down and put socks and
shirt on while she does her business (or waits to, or kills time
not...).  Not more than a couple minutes, to be sure but it helps.

Also, when the mix of dishes on the table is right, I can clear the
breakables and let her ferry the rest to me as I begin washing the
dishes.  This works VERY well because Heather LOVES to "help".  In
this case, a little forethought allows her to genuinely contribute and
gives me some time while I know what she's up to so that I can get
something done.

                                  Chris


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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird's Woes....
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:47:16 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
|> Well, this one has all the charactaristics for flamethrowing on several
|> levels: class warfare, careers vs. motherhood, oh, it goes on and on!

I don't think misc.kids needs anymore flamewars on _any_ of
these subjects.  Class warfare isn't an appropriate topic for
this newsgroup, and we've done the careers vs. motherhood
thing to pieces already--resulting in lots of hurt feelings
and very few changes in opinion/behavior.

|> So what's people's feelings about Zoe Baird's hassles with
|> finding appropriate child care?

What difference does it make?  Forgive me, but this is either
flamebait, or a legitimate question that belongs in another
newsgroup.

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
(acting as self.appointed net.police for the morning :-)
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thank you all + resource request
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:05:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com

In article <16B5DCD13.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.154838.8691@ttinews.tti.com>
>reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>In article <3161@tymix.Tymnet.COM> filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM writes:
>>>She's heard about these full-body pillows, and thinks that will help her
>>>get comfy at night, but can't seem to find one.  Someone told her about a
>>>place called "Fortune's Almanac", but they aren't accepting orders for the
>>>next several months.
>>>
>>>Anybody have any experience with these?  Are they worth it, or just hype?
>>
>(First reply deleted, Sorry Reid)
> 
>I used a very fluffy king size pillow, some places sell ones that have more
>filling than others. It was great!  I didn't like the body pillow idea, because
>it looked too big, like it would be hard to move out of the way in the end of
>pregnancy when getting out of bed in the middle of the night, those umpteen
>times.  Could be wrong, though, as I didn't get one.  Also, I figured I could
>get a lot more future use out of a king size pillow than a body pillow.
> 
>But again, I could be wrong.
> 
>Ellie Blackwell

I did the same as Ellie and it worked great.  Still use it every night!

Valerie

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: name beginning with M
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:30:53 GMT

In article <9301221733.AA03645@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>>in article: <1993Jan21.205107.9014@pts1.pts.mot.com> Alice Bertelson
>> wrote: 
>>IF #3 is a boy we already have a name picked out .... MICHAEL DAVID
>>but we can't seem to think of another girls name beginning with an M
>>that we BOTH like!!
>Maria & variations (Mary, Mariah, Myriam, Mariam)

Or howze bouts:

Melisma?  Melpomene?  Maffick?  Macadam?  Marmoreal?  Mascon?  Matelote?

Just checking the dictionary under "M".  Don't laugh - one of these might
something put out by Toyota one day.
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From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: "Waiting" Grandmother not waiting anymore
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:37:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1993Jan25.213723.24907
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Hi everybody.

My darling granddaughter has finally arrived.

     Brittany Lauren Stone
     12:07 p.m.
     Friday, January 22, 1993 (10 days late)

     7 lbs. 12 ozs. - 20 inches long

She is darling (I'm sure all Grandmothers say this).  But, I can't
say it was easy getting her here.  My daughter had a VERY difficult
labor and delivery (27 hours).  But, all is well, Mother (and Dad)
and baby are at home.  Mother probably has a little more recovering
to do than most new Mothers but I think all will be fine.

By the time I went to bed Friday night I figured I had gone 40 hours
without sleep.

I have missed several days work but will post the details later when
I have more time.  Thanks for all your support.

Jan
From: twriter3@pencom.com (Denise Fischer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird's Woes....
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:24:21 GMT
Reply-To: twriter3@pencom.com (Denise Fischer)
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1jvnn0INNsu7@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)  
writes:
> Well, this one has all the charactaristics for flamethrowing on several
> levels: class warfare, careers vs. motherhood, oh, it goes on and on!
> 
> So what's people's feelings about Zoe Baird's hassles with finding
> appropriate child care?

First as a parent, then as a single-parent, and finally
as a family living at the poverty level 3-1/2 years
ago, I am appalled! On my $15K a year salary, I was still
willing to pay top-dollar for daycare (this meant approximately
30% of my salary or $4400 a year) because it was critical
that I find good daycare for my child. As a single-parent,
not working was obviously not an option and knowing that I
did have to work, I wanted to know that my daughter was safe
and secure so that I could be productive at my job.

Thank goodness our circumstances have changed substantially 
in the last three years (my daughter and I are now firmly 
entrenched in the middle class and I finally do not have to 
despair over money now) and I am still happy to pay for the 
excellent care that she receives. I now make several yearly 
private donations to her center as a small token of my 
appreciation for the incredible job and service my center 
is giving us. But I think it is a sad fact that daycare
workers are not compensated enough or respected enough for
the incredible job that they are doing (hence, the high
turnover rate and job burnout among daycare workers).

I wonder where Zoe Baird's ethics and priorities are! I'm at least
relieved that she had the decency to withdraw. I think her
actions are reprehensible and on a DECENT wage, she could
have found some top-notch caregivers for her children who 
weren't illegal aliens!

Denise Fischer (proud single-mom to Ingrid, age 4-1/2 years)
twriter3@pencom.com
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:45:03 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Here are a few find time examples as well as a save time one.

Problem: my son learned to read last year in first grade and I wanted him to
continue reading throughout the summer.  Reading is not his favorite activity.

Solution: he read to me in the car on the way home from daycare, about 5 minutes,
(or more if he got interested in his book).  He picked out the books, often
Frog and Toad books.  If there was a word he couldn't read, he'd spell it out for
me.  We both enjoyed this extra story time.


Problems: I don't enjoy paying the bills and balancing the checking account since
they are boring activities.  My son often feels the same way about his homework.

Solution: we do them at the same time at the kitchen table so we have each other
as company while we each do our own work.


Problem: minimize grocery shopping time.

Solution: only use one grocery store.  Create a shopping list, organized by the
store's aisles, of the things you most frequently buy.  When you run out of
something during the week, circle that item on the list (with a red pen).
Before going shopping, use the list to see if you're low on any item.  This way,
I only go shopping once a week, at most, and rarely run out of an item.  Sample
of my list is below (yes, I keep it on-line so we can add items to it, and we can
also accommodate changes in the store layout).

PRODUCE:
     ORANGES, LEMONS, LIMES, GRAPES, APPLES, TOMATOES, MUSHROOMS,  SPINACH,  
     LETTUCE,  DIET  SALAD DRESSING, SCALLIONS, CARROTS, CELERY, BANANAS

FRESH FISH

2    APPLESAUCE, CANNED PINEAPPLE, PICKLES,  OLIVES,  MAYONNAISE, MUSTARD, VINEGAR

3    RAISINS, DATES,  FLOUR  (WHITE,  WHOLE  WHEAT),  SUGAR, COCONUT, PAM, OIL

-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.parents-teens
From: af5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wendy Lin)
Subject: Re: Parenting Teens
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:19:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.052012.13067@netwise.com> kat@netwise.com (Kathleen Nosbisch) writes:
>
>I would enjoy having other parents of teens to correspond with through
>email.  I have tried, but can't get the mentioned alt.teen-parent group.
The correct name for the newsgroup is alt.parents-teens.  Some sites
don't carry alt.* newsgroups.  Your site may be one of them.  If there
is enough interest, we can create a misc.teens group.

I cross-posted this reply to alt.parents-teens.  You might get somebody
to talk to you there.

>I have two daughters, ages 11 and almost 14.  The 14-yr old is highly
>entrenched into adolescense (much to my worry) and the 11-yr old is
>trying hard to get there.

Wendy Lin
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: stepparenting
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:49:14 GMT

In article <7672@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, obrien@hri.com (Jim Obrien) writes:
|> 
|> I am a single father with a daughter,
|> my girlfriend is a single mother with a daughter,
|> when we marry then two daughters become stepsisters.
|> Now we have a child after marriage. This child will
|> not have stepsisters, but half sisters. I think this
|> is correct, but I may have this mixed up.
|> 
|> Actually, I am about to what the about discribes, and
|> I was real concern about the way we all address each
|> other. I want both daughters to call me dad, and to call
|> my wife to be mom. Well we have had some problems with
|> this, but we were lucky because my girlfriend is
|> Portuguese her 1st language, her daughter is only 2yo, and
|> understands alot of the language already. So we have changed
|> the way that they address us to Pa-Pia, which is father, and
|> Ma-Mia with is mother. So far it has stuck and seems to
|> be working. 
|> 
|> I would like to get more info on step-parenting. I think this
|> is a real good topic.

I am not a stepparent, but my husband is stepfather to the 2 children
of my first marriage, and father to our 2 children.  The children are,
of course, half-siblings.  

My husband has got to be one of the greatest stepparents who ever walked 
on the planet (this isn't just my opinion - the stepchildren, who are 
grown now, have said it many times), and one of the many things he did 
right was he didn't REQUIRE his stepchildren to call him "Dad", much as 
he would have liked it.  Now they were 9 and 10 years old when we married, 
not 2, but this still seems an issue that shouldn't be FORCED on a step-
child of any age.  It can be suggested, even encouraged, but I recommend
against insisting.  True, if your stepchild chooses to call you "Jim" in-
stead of "Dad", it is then apparent to "the world" that you are probably 
not her biological father; but who cares?  A "father" is so much more than 
biology.  No man could have been more loved and respected by his step-
children than the man they always called .. "Larry".

Jan
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:36:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24688
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <30637@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>In article <daved.727560402@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>->In <30493@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>->>In article <24641@alice.att.com> jj@alice.att.com (old curmudgeon) writes:
>->>->Jeremy, if you have some FACTS to offer, then offer them.
>->>The FACTS were already offered by the poster who said that she had her
>->>son circumcised and heard him screaming all the way down the hall. How
>->>many horror stories do you really have to hear??
>->This is not a fact,
>Unless the original poster was lying, then it is a fact that her child
>screamed during the circumcision
That's completely irrelevant. Your original post, which is somehow
creatively ommitted, suggested that it was a fact that circumcision
was absolutely and without fail mutiliation without cause or
issue.  That's the facts I'm asking for. I doun't necessarily doubt
that somebody's kid cried, and I won't even bother to dispute the
reason, despite my own experiences with infants.

It doesn't matter.  The issue of necessity is still undetermined,
and you can't run around accusing everyone who opts for circumcision
for their male kid of child mutilation.

I'd prefer some more evenhanded behavior on the part of all
folks here, please?
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From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Zoe Baird's Woes....
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:44:32 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

Well, this one has all the charactaristics for flamethrowing on several
levels: class warfare, careers vs. motherhood, oh, it goes on and on!

So what's people's feelings about Zoe Baird's hassles with finding
appropriate child care?

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Sesame Street toy (was Re: Fun stuff with kids)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:39:47 GMT

In article <1jjqsnINNneg@early-bird.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>In article <1ji7jpINNfka@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>>In article <93019.153609CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>with the pull lever.  And like Billy, mastered Ernie (the button) pretty
>>>quickly thereafter.  He still can't manipulate the turn switch (Cookie Monster)
>>>but can get the other two pretty well.
>
>>>Let's hear it from other owners of the "poppin pals"--which was the first for
>>>your child, the hardest?
>
>>Our Poppin Pals has a telephone-style dial for Grover that seems to defy
>>anybody under the age of 30.  I've always wondered if we might have gotten
>>a slightly defective model. Or is this an archaic version of the toy?
>
>Ours has the same mechanism, though I think it's Oscar under that one.
>In any case, Jordan (age 9.5 months) doesn't have much trouble with
>it. He tangles his fingers in the dial and thrashes it soundly until
>something happens. I think the hardest one for him is the knob with
>the pointer -- he can't get a grip on it. 

Rachel didn't have Poppin Pal.  She had Popup Pets, which was a lot
harder to work.  Dave called it Popup Pests.  "See, there's the weevil,
there's the budworm...."

Kathie

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