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From: nparker@cie.uoregon.edu (Neil Parker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Value of IIGS system?
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:47:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1eaf3rINN62a
Organization: The Universal Society for the Prevention of Reality
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

My uncle is selling his Apple IIGS, and I've been asked to do some research
to find out how much he can expect to get for it.

The system includes the following:

     Apple IIGS ROM 3, with 1 MB
     Apple Hard Drive 20SC
     Apple 3.5 Drive (800K)
     AppleColor RGB Monitor
     Imagewriter II
     Software:  Appleworks GS, Print Shop, Quicken, lots of games and
                educational programs

Can anybody out there tell me what would be a fair price for this system?

(This is not an advertisement--he already has a potential buyer for it.  He
just needs to know what would be a fair price for it.)

              - Neil Parker
--
Neil Parker                 No cute ASCII art...no cute quote...no cute
nparker@cie.uoregon.edu     disclaimer...no deposit, no return...
parker@corona.uoregon.edu   (This space intentionally left blank:           )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: slhood@bluemoon.use.com (Stephen L. Hood)
Subject: Re: DeskWriter and Proterm 3.0
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 14:17:53 EST

hdgarner@acs.harding.edu writes:

> Could someone tell me if it is possible to print on a HP DeskWriter from Prot

It is not possible to use a DeskWriter from ProDOS8 due to the fact that 
it is a QuickDraw printer and has no internal fonts.  Ordinarily, programs 
such as ProTERM will just dump the text out the printer port as ASCII, and 
it is up to the printer the interpret the information and print it.  The 
DeskWriter works on the Mac (and the IIGS with Harmonie) by simply 
printing bitmaps of the current document (alright, it's a bit more complex 
than that, but you get the idea).  In ProDOS 8, you're not sending your 
text out as graphics, but rather as straight ASCII.  And the DeskWriter, 
with no built-in fonts, has no way to output this information.

The same problem applies to the StyleWriter, and any other printer without 
internal fonts.



| Stephen L. Hood                  Ask me about GNO/ME, the multitasking |
|  Micro Center, Inc.                    environment for the Apple IIGS! |
|  slhood@bluemoon.rn.com                  "My Woz, my Woz, why have you |
|  slhood@pro-works.cts.com                               abandoned me?" |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lurch@eskimo.com (Erik Kloeppel)
Subject: Re: Gif to apple?
Keywords: bin files
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:32:13 GMT

migarcia@hfglobe.intel.com (Mike Garcia) writes:

>Hello out there...  I'm really not into Apples but I have a friend
>that has asked me to look into how to change gif files into a readable
>Apple format.  I have seen refference to a conversation program.  I
have
>never been on an Apple and I don't have a clue as to what format is
used.
>I'm an IBM and UNIX/DOS user right now.  If anyone can help me please 
>drop me a line at  migarcia@dt1s08.intel.com 

>Thanks

>Hawk


Hawk - suggest your friend try SuperConvert from Seven Hills, or 
DreamGrafix from Dream World Software.  Superconvert is primarily
a conversion program (VERY GOOD), while DreamGrafix is primarily
an art program that can read GIF files and save them in Apple format.
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Future of the II line
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:48:59 GMT

Where did you get the "news" that there would be no new major System
Software releases?  I've never heard Apple say that (I don't expect them,
but I've never heard Apple say there wouldn't be any).

- Eric S.

--
Eric D. Shepherd                   | Apple II Alliance Charter Member
InterNet: uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  |           ACM Member
FidoNet:  1:206/2713 Eric Shepherd | Programming Law #1: "When in
AOL:      Sheppy                   | doubt, rewrite from scratch."
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Appleworks GS files to any mac program
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:54:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.uerics.722026480
Distribution: usa

The AWGS DB format is not publicly documented, and, as I hear, is very
perverse.  I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot stick.

So the odds are that there's no way you're going to import that data into
another database (unless Claris does something about it).

- Eric S.

--
Eric D. Shepherd                   | Apple II Alliance Charter Member
InterNet: uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  |           ACM Member
FidoNet:  1:206/2713 Eric Shepherd | Programming Law #1: "When in
AOL:      Sheppy                   | doubt, rewrite from scratch."
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Larry's survey
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:05:56 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider) writes:

[...]
>How many will/have migrate(d) to a computer made by someone other than
>Apple Computer Inc..?
>     C1 >5 ---------- 9
>     C1 >7 ---------- 7
>Not too many, but more than would go to a Mac.
[...]

I would be careful about drawing conclusions from this survey, based on
two things:  the small sample size (36?), and the self-selection of the
participants.

That is, 36 people out of some unknown number (probably in the thousands?)
chose to respond.  Perhaps the ones who bothered responding are the ones
with the most extreme opinions, not representative of the whole newsgroup
readership (which, in turn, may not be representative of the whole group
of Apple II owners).


>Maybe there is a correlation between Apple Computer Inc. support for
>the Apple II and how much people like Apple Computer Inc.!!  More
>amusing to me however was that I had two questionnaires filled out by
>Apple Computer Inc. employees; both rated the question a 9!!!!

I did not participate in the survey.

That was because it would take time, and the questions seemed to have
a distasteful (to me) slant.  Now that I see the results are only
quasi-anonymous, I'm glad I abstained.



>[...] There are periodic articles in the micro computer
>press about the problems Macintosh users have with poor support from
>Apple Computer Inc..  I know that I tell anyone willing to listen that
>Apple Computer Inc. is not a good company from whom to buy a computer.

Apparently I don't keep up very well with the publications that you
do.  Seems like I keep seeing Apple listed at or near the top of
customer satisfaction surveys, though.


>With Apple Computer Inc. having lost the legal suit with MicroSoft,
>there are alternatives to their Macs with the Graphical interface.

That seems like a vast oversimplification.  Last time I read about it
in the paper, many charges had been dismissed, but others were still
in court.  Have I missed something?

ANYWAY, I don't know of any lawsuit where Apple attempted to claim
exclusive rights to graphical interfaces in general.  The real issues
are specific and complicated.


>While I wish the employees within Apple well, I have nothing but
>contempt for Apple Computer Inc. [...]

Thanks, that's the nicest thing anybody's said to me in the last
30 seconds.  :-)

-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Out of This World - Out of My Mind
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:25:53 GMT


Admittedly, playing OOTW takes some getting used to, but after you've
figured out what kinds of things you need to do to clear a level, it gets
less frustrating. So, if you want to clear the first level...

When the game starts, swim up in the tank. Start running towards the right.
You'll soon see some crawling leeches. When you see them, crouch down, and
kick all of them. I think there are 5. Then, hang out for a second or three,
and a giant beast should appear; looks kinda like a lion. When you see him,
run all the way to the left, as fast as you can. When you see the swinging
vine, jump on it. When it breaks, it'll deposit you behind the best. Then,
run all the way to the right.

At that point, some friendly alien will escort you to level 2. All I'll say
about level 2 is that when the cage breaks, look down.

Of course you'll die a zillion times. Whenever you do, write down the code.
Then, you can re-start the game at that level.

When I first started playing, Burger Bill told me to keep rememberiong that
it's a port from a Nintendo game. Keep that in mind. It means, there's not
really any randomness to it.

BTW, on the GO GAMERS forum on CompuServe, there's a complete walk through.
It's nearly 20 pages when printed out. I personally feel it's way to soon to
start spreading that around, but, maybe in a couple of months...

Joe Kohn
From: recker1763@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Smartport Questions
Date: 17 Nov 92 07:48:01 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


How do I get the value for UnitNum in a SmartPort call from ProDOS 8?
I want to issue a smartport call from the last used device?

When each drive is given a unique number at initialization time (from the
Firmware Ref.) is this number unique for each specific type of drive?
I.E. 3.5" Drive 1 is assigned a 1, 3.5" Drive 2 is assigned 2, 5.25" Drive
1 is assigned a 1, etc.  or is each drive assigned like 3.5" Drive 1 is
assigned a 1, 3.5" Drive 2 is assigned 2, 5.25" Drive 1 is assigned a 3?

Any help would be appreciated.

recker1763@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Vanishing Icons..
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:56:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.uerics.722026575

This seems to happen sometimes in System 6.  I get it on and off, myself.
Icons where the name appears with nothing above it, and colored snow all
over the screen.  I still think somebody's mashing the icon records in
memory, especially because I had one icon on my desktop which showed up
(once) with (a) the wrong icon, and (b) the _small_ icon instead of the
large one. :)

- Eric S.

--
Eric D. Shepherd                   | Apple II Alliance Charter Member
InterNet: uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  |           ACM Member
FidoNet:  1:206/2713 Eric Shepherd | Programming Law #1: "When in
AOL:      Sheppy                   | doubt, rewrite from scratch."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: wsquires@lonestar.utsa.edu (William H. Squires)
Subject: Lost ADVSYS thread...
Followup-To: Who knows?
Summary: Whoops, where did it go?
Keywords: ADVSYS, adventure
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
  Awhile back, I got in touch with someone who had ADVSYS on AppleII, but now
                                wsquires@lonestar.utsa.edu
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:57:51 GMT




Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: SEAs?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:54:10 GMT

Radagast <TS8RBOTW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>Why are Sefl-Extracting Archives (particularly GSHK) called self-
>extracting when they don't?  That's annoying having to change the
>file type and aux type like we have to do with GSHK.  Is GSHK the
>only SEA like that, or do all have to be manipulated?  GSHK is the
>only SEA I've ever seen.
 

  Most GSHK archives posted to the Internet lose their file/auxtype
settings.  When posted to a pay online service like GEnie or AOL,
these settings are preserved, either automatically (like AOL) or
by using the Auto-Binary II and Auto-UnBinary II options in Proterm
(GEnie).

-- 
 Jawaid Bazyar              |   Ask me about the GNO Multitasking Environment
 Procyon, Inc.              |   for the Apple IIgs!   
 bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu         |   P.O Box 620334
 --Apple II Forever!--      |   Littleton, CO 80162-0334   (303) 933-4649
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: A+/InCider article:  ACK!
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:55:48 GMT

In article <Bxyyrt.3G5@news.iastate.edu> hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma) writes:
>	Because 1) as I mention in another article he wants the software to do  
>something which isn't really necessary and 2) Maybe he just perfrerrs an OS  
>that requires mongo memory, runs slower than the previos version, and eats  
>disks while installing. Hey! its a great improvement!!! :)
>

1) I disagree with your assertion that aliases, file sharing, publish &
subscribe, etc. aren't worth mention; sure, they aren't really _necessary_,
but then neither are hierarchical file systems, hard disks, or floppy
drives with capacities greater than 143K.

2) System 7 occupies less memory on my Mac than system 6 did (partially
because I removed a few really dumb inits/cdevs), really only is slower
in the Finder, didn't cause any problems with my hard disk, and generally
is more capable than system 6 for the GS.  That doesn't mean the GS'
system software is bad, it just can't do as much.

-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Quantum powered off drive port
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:55:25 GMT

In article <92323.214645KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu> <KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> I have heard several times that a quantum HD powered off the drive port will
> kill the power supply after a short time.  Well if that is the case, my GS
> should be dead soon, so I would like a good answer.  My GS has a 1MEG CVtech
> memory board, a 1 MEg Ramfast and A Zip 7Mhz/8k.  I have one 5.25 and one 3.5
> drive connect to my Rom 3 GS.  I usually disable the 5.25 by changing the slot
> setting.  If the GS can power up to four disk drives, why would a hard drive
> kill my power supply when I have only two or three total drawing power.

5.25" and 3.5" drives don't use much power, except while the motor is
running.  The IIgs drive port is able to supply enough power to keep
up to 4 disk drives idle, _but_ it can only handle one drive's motor
being active.
The main reason for the four drive limit isn't the power usage of the
drives, but the signal strength of data output by the IIgs - more than
four drives produces too much signal loading (as well as signal
degradation due to cable length).

A hard drive draws a lot more power than a floppy, and does so
continuously.  It's motor is active all the time, and it spins a lot
faster than a floppy drive.  This causes too much loading on the IIgs
power supply.
The power outputs on the drive port are only supposed to be used for
floppy drives.

Switching slot 6 to "Your Card" doesn't "turn off" the 5.25" drive, it
only prevents the computer from accessing it.  The 5.25" drive will
still be using power.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
From: bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Future of the II line (???)
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:34:13 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

> they often wonder if the II is on the way out... Why? With little spent on
> R&D, yet a relative *LOT* happening,

  Such as?

> and with hardware that is "settled"

  Actually, I remember my Apple ///'s chips playing musical chairs..

> and isn't subject to 2000 clones messing up protocal, I highly doubt that
> Apple would give up the II line.

  Too late.. they already did. Blame it on that Pepsi dude..

> If Apple did little more than produce the II, even if they don't, there
> is enough underground support to last for many, many more years. Heck!
> Look at the Commodore C=64 and C=128!

  It's the only computer that C= ever really made, and they're still 
selling in europe..  (FACT: C= did NOT create the Amiga! It was a seperate 
company which needed money and a 'producer')

>> If Apple does kill the II line, how will the licensing of software go?
>> will Apple be selling the II line to an outside company? a Spinoff? How
>> does this go? If Apple will be giving the II the ax, what can we do?

  They did.. about 2-3 years ago. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,rec.music.synth
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: MIDI for the //c???
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:20:59 GMT

In article <jmk3.721939227@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> jmk3@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell) writes:
>The Apple MIDI interface connects to the serial port, so it should at least
>work on the //c hardware wise. I'm not sure about software.

Nope.  The Apple MIDI (and compatibles...I happily use an Altech 'Mac' 
interface on my GS) all require the host serial port to run at the MIDI data
rate, which is 31.something kbaud.  This is well out of range of the 6551 chip,
so MIDI will not work on a //c.  Sorry.

> -Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu




-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
  "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
   Ask me about the GS<>IRC demo...better yet ask daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Future of the II line
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <Bxu3Ip.6C1@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, by dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett):
> Eric D. Shepherd (uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu) wrote:
> : Where did you get the "news" that there would be no new major System
> : Software releases?  I've never heard Apple say that (I don't expect them,
> : but I've never heard Apple say there wouldn't be any).

> Well, I've heard various sources, mostly stuff posted here by people who went
> to KFest... Hmm, maybe some Apple people could clarify this?

This is getting to be too much. Look, I don't care what you post, but think
before you do it. I like the capability of 'vn' to pass over posters who's
names I haven't seen at least a dozen times. Why? Because that means they
usually have their mouths open before they really know what's going on.

I believe it was either Andy or Dave themselves who said there will be no
***MAJOR*** system software releases for the AII. That means System 7,
not 6.01, or 6.1 folks. That means that they will not be rewriting 50% of
the code over from scratch, not that they will not be adding to it or
improving it. Pardon my french, but get yer God damn heads out of your
fucking asses and think for a minute. *WHY* are you here? When you post
"Duh, I know nothing really, but I want to sound important so I'll say
that Sculley is the root of all evil, and the Apple II has been condemned
to burn in hell..." and on and on...

Now, lets look at the truth. Jawaid has made some excellent points which I
will not repeat here. You can read, so look it up. There are many many many
more fine examples of new software being written. Get on #AppleIIgs and
ask some time. Write e-mail to Rich W about DeskTracker, or Ian S about
his newest music platform. Check out what 'waid has done with GNO lately.
Companies like Bright and Dreamworld produce updates as often as shit
squirts from your ass. And from those posts, I would say it's pretty often.

Hardware not consistent? How many types of IIgs's are there? Hmmmmm... There
is the AppleIIgs Rom01, and the AppleIIgs Rom03 (anyone with a Rom00 is
their own damn fault). Now, lets see just how many types of 286 clones there
are, and measure their degrees of compatability... Get the picture buddy?
Whatever you think it is that you are trying to prove, you should get the
facts before you go spouting out all over the net. You look like a fool my
friend. We talk about you on IRC. There are easter eggs written with your
email address enclosed for others far smarter than you to find and harass
you. Get a life.
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: SyQuest and HFS FST
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:16:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toronto (Scarborough) Computing Services

The following revelation escaped Bob Hayosh's lips:
>
> Has any one used a SyQuest with both a Mac and a IIGS?
>
> I wanted to use my SyQuest with both a Mac and my GS but
> when I tried it (Finally got Sys6.0 up and running...) I found out
> that GS/OS won't read (Mac formated) HFS SyQuest carts.  GS formated
> HFS carts can't be read by the Mac either.

    Since Syquests have a SCSI partition map, I assume the problem is
the same one preventing an HFS hard disk formatted on a GS from working
on a Mac.  You need some sort of special partition with Mac-specific
data for it to be recognized.  The GS doesn't need it (and doesn't put
it on).  The reverse may also be a problem:  the Mac partition confuses
GS/OS somehow.
--
-=+ Brian Tao (taob@r-node.pci.on.ca, 90taobri@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca) +=-
                                   -=+=-
     -=+ MuGS: The Only Internet Mail Reader For The Apple IIGS! +=-

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mjk31124@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the Weasel...)
Subject: Re: Appleworks GS files to any mac program
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:17:29 GMT

uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:

>The AWGS DB format is not publicly documented, and, as I hear, is very
>perverse.  I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot stick.

Isn't it possible to save the DB file as an ascii text file (with commas, etc)
and then import it to MicrosoftWorks?  If I remember correctly there was an 
import function for doing just that...

>- Eric S.

>--
>Eric D. Shepherd                   | Apple II Alliance Charter Member
>InterNet: uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  |           ACM Member
>FidoNet:  1:206/2713 Eric Shepherd | Programming Law #1: "When in
>AOL:      Sheppy                   | doubt, rewrite from scratch."

---Mike
mjk31124@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ATTENTION high-speed modem users!
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:03:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sat Nov 14 92 at 13:18:15 (EST)

> From: tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey)
> support the CTS signal. Is it possible that more software (PT3, METAL,
> ProLine/ModemWorks, GNO's drivers) be modified to work with this cable?

The only problem with making software conform to a strange hardware
configuration is that it restricts you to using ONLY software that supports
that hardware configuration. Plus it also makes it damn hard for novices to
have any hope of getting hardware that then supports that software.

                    -=> Message from Kim Brennan <=-
          (kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com)  or  (kimbrennan@aol.com)
         {Cathouse BBS (301) 840-8567 3/12/24/9600 V.32 24 hours}
From: rheinze@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: gateways - another request
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:27:19 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

Is it possible to send e-mail to the Dow Jones News on-line
service?
If so, what is the gateway or address?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2