From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux
Summary: Now I'm not pleased... 
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:52:10 GMT


	*oooooh*  I'm _not_ pleased with you Tom...

	I spent part of my Satuday afternoon responding to your lengthy
letter just to have you send a different version of it to the net... I don't
think so.  

	If you get caught and arrested for murder, you might have a better
chance of escaping punishment than if you get caught trying to kill yourself.
When you get locked up in an underfunded, understaffed mental hospital/ward
and are treated little better than a dog, I bet you'd prefer to be in
prison or out on bond.  It's easier to get a lawyer to help you avoid a
conviction than it is to try to get out of some mental hospitals... at
least when you've killed someone you have some rights, when you're 
considered insane or dangerous to yourself you lose them rather quickly
in many places.
	
	And just how many ASHers do you think are around the age of
14??? I'm not writing to an audience that doesn't read this newsgroup... 
Most of the people here are older than 14 and they _can_ cause some
finacial mischief before they die.  

	Crime, diease and malnutrition _do_not_ "do the job" of eliminating
the "undesirables" from society.  Crime lowers property values, endangers
innocent people's lives, and causes an increased demand for criminal
investigation and punishment (which costs a great deal).  Diease and
malnutrition drain the economy by lowering the potential output and
by channelling more money into social welfare programs.  These people
form a drain on the economy... it's quite expensive to just wait around
until people die "naturally."

	Those who allow harmful actions to continue (like tobacco sales and
illegal dumping) are either those in power or the finanical elite.  Sure,
some of the individuals with less status make money off of these actions, but
it's still smaller than the number who are adversely affected.  I bet
the shop owner you mentioned wouldn't think of cutting off his 
alcohol sales or nicotine and caffine related sales... they don't care if
the product harms anyone so long as they get paid.

	
>> There are people who just don't like to see other people die (or
>>be miserable) for any reason.  They have their own reasons why they
>>don't want people to die.  I don't have anything against them.

	I usually believe the above... so long as they don't try to
force their ideas on me (or force me to live for _their_ reasons).  I
don't happen to agree with them...

       "Life's too rich"?  Give me a break... I never said you had
to do one or the other and there were no other choices.  Once a person
has decided to end their life, you can't expect them to live "for your
sake."  That's just plain silly.  I've done both but I'm usually somewhere
between the two.  I don't think anyone should be forced to suffer
that sort of mental hell just so someone else feels better.  

	I don't recall anyone here saying depression is a terminal
condition.  Severe depressions are serious matters... when you no longer
even what to go through the motions of breathing and eating, I don't
think some bleeding heart should be allowed to force you to continue against
your will.  Being controlled/oppressed is on thing, but NOBODY but ME
is going to tell me I have to live.  No one has an obligation to continue
life for as long as possible (otherwise people would avoid detrimental
thinks like smoking and excessive alcohol consumption).

	I don't remember anything about saying anthing "withholding"
my attentions... but I have a faulty memory so maybe I did...

	I said to take it to email because this thread has the potential
to become quite nasty... I don't like expressing some of my personal
beliefs here, but if you keep it up (Tom) I will...

	Psycho Kitten


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