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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Welcome to alt.culture.indonesia [regular posting]
Keywords: welcome
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:46:08 GMT


*** Welcome to alt.culture.indonesia (a.c.i) ***
    Selamat datang di alt.culture.indonesia
    Last updated: Jan 1, 1993 - Version: 1.3

The purpose of this newsgroup is to discuss Indonesian culture,
tourism, news related to Indonesia. There are several Indonesian 
mailing lists available. This newsgroup is an alternative for those who
have limitted mail quota but have access to Usenet and to reduce the 
net bandwidth.

This newsgroup is not moderated, please think twice before sending
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If you know somebody who doesn't have access to a.c.i and wants to
follow the discussion through e-mail, drop me a mail and I'll
arrange something.

Strange enough a.c.i. could also mean 'Aku Cinta Indonesia'
[I love Indonesia].  :-)

Have fun.
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>



*** Some informations on Indonesia ***

Location : In Southeast Asia between Asia and Australia, the Pacific 
           and Indian Ocean
Geography: World's largest archipelago; 
           between 13,000 to 17,508 islands (exact numbers unknown),
           6,000 inhabited.
           The main islands are Java, Sumatra, Sulawesi, Kalimantan,
           and Irian Jaya.
Climate  : Wet season (November - April); Dry season (May - October)
           Average temperature: 91.4 Farenheit
Population: 180 million, the fourth largest after U.S.A
Religions: Islam, Christianity, Hindu, and Buddhism.
Capital  : Jakarta (population: 8 million)
Independence Day: August 17, 1945
National Motto: Bhinneka Tunggal Ika (Unity in Diversity)
National Launguage: Bahasa Indonesia             
Currency : Rupiah (Rp); US$1.00 =~ Rp2,000

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From: gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins)
Subject: Re: Indonesian restaurant in S.F. bay are 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:52:45 GMT

tjio@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lee Tjio) writes:

>I'm looking for any and all Indonesian restaurant in the San Francisco
>bay area.  Please email if possible.  Thanks a million.

>Lee

Please post the answers.  (Include reviews if anyone has any
opinions about the places.) Thanks.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Indonesian version of nuclear power plants
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:44:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.220434@IASTATE.EDU> abasu@IASTATE.EDU (Anujit Basu) writes:
[...]
>plants in Asia following the current regulatory environment in the USA. It has
>become virtually impossible to construct a new nuclear power plant in the USA.

What's the problem with that? Is nuclear power no longer a viable source of
energy? Or is it just because there are too many of them? 

I think the US doesn't want to build new ones because handling the wastes
is not quite easy.  

>The deal being worked out with the Indonesian government is innovative. GE will
>train the local personnel, operate the plant, and sell the power to the
>Indonesian electric utilities for a period of about 20 years. In this time, GE
>hopes to recover the constructuon cost of the plant, and make a substantial
>profit. After this, the plant will be turned over to the Indonesians to operate on their own, under their own ownership. 

How long is the 'mean time before failure' of nuclear power plants? Does it
far exceed 20 years? It's interesting to owning a plant and can only make
a little profit.

And what about the source of the 'fuel' (uranium? plutonium?) itself. I Don't
think that Indonesia has any of them. And considering that Indonesia is not
a major player in nuclear things, wouldn't there be any problem to get the fuel
for the would-be reactors? 

[...]

>Well, the plants to be constructed in Indonesia and elsewhere by GE are going to
>be substantially different from the plants currently in operation in the USA.
>They are going to be "inherently safe" by design. 
[...]

What about the nuclear wastes? Does Indonesian gov't have any plan on how to
handle them? If it takes hundreds of thousand years to turn these wastes
into inert materials, the gov't would face a big problem, I think. In Indo-
nesia, the lands are not stable. There are many volcanoes; big sources of 
earthquake. Burying the wastes deep down below wouldn't be very helpful, 
I guess.

[...]

>
>Anujit Basu
>abasu@iastate.edu

Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: wity@iastate.edu (Wity Ganda)
Subject: Re: Indonesian version of nuclear power plants
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:43:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.010525.11743@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:
>
>Indonesia will build a nuclear power plant beginning 1997. The plant is
>planned to operate sometime in 2003, and it will generate 600 MW of electri-
>city. The project's estimated cost is about $1 billion. The location
>of the power plant is to be in Central Java, near Mount Muria.
>I don't understand why Indonesian gov't chose Mount Muria as the site
>of the nuclear power plant. Thinking about radioactive leakage, actually
>there are many islands with no people in Indonesia. Why doesn't the gov't 
>choose any of them and build the power plant there? Should there be any 

It will cost lots of money to transfer materials to the island 
for building the plant.  There will be lots of materials and personnels
to transfer forth and back the islands.
That's an easy question. ;-)

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From: dulimart@rome.cps.msu.edu (Hansye S. Dulimarta)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Comp Scie major in Indonesia?
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:49:38 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: rome.cps.msu.edu

In article <isae.725112582@pv0806.vincent.iastate.edu> isae@iastate.edu (ISU Boy !!!!!) writes:
>Pardon my ignorance, but I heard a while ago there is a comp scie
>major in some university in Indonesia; is that true? ;-)
>I mean a real Comp Scie major, not Com E or Information system. 
>What university is that? Univeristy of Indonesia?
>
>-Rony
> isae@IASTATE.EDU

Yes..that's true. At least there are two places that have the Comp.Sci.
department. Institut Teknologi Bandung and Universitas Indonesia. At ITB,
we call the department "Jurusan Teknik Informatika" and at UI they call it
"Jurusan Ilmu Komputer". I'll be happy to answer your questions about our
department.


Hans.
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From: an1600@anon.penet.fi (homeless)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Ikbal
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:21:07 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.culture.indonesia

Dear users of alt.culture.indonesia,

I 've just red an article from mr I. Maulana (maulana@dutecab.et.tudelft.nl)
about the corruption in Indonesia.

Ikbal wrote:

Hallo rekan-rekan, anda tertarik nggak untuk ngomentari soal komisi dan 
korupsi?
Soalnya penyakit ini banyak melanda kampung kita........

Banyak yang bilang KOMISI=HADIAH, dapatnya juga nggak maksa, nggak minta, 
sononya sendiri yang ngasih dengan ikhlas............
Setuju???

homeless write :
I think that corruption is strickly illegal, it must be ended, maybe 
by the Law. But for the country, mostly the (un)development country
is very difficult to do it, since mostly the people, who have the 
opportunity are high rank person. I think corruption really harm the
country like Indonesia, 'couse a huge amount of money are only 
circulating between a small number of persons.

So as I write above, i don't and absolutly against the corruption.

But "What about the commission ?", is it also another kind of 
corruption. I don't really know what the meaning of commission,
would Ikbal tell us about that ?.

If commision is,'couse of:
	- present for a good service (like a tip at a restourant)
	- present for being very helpfull
	- etc.
then I think nothing wrong with that.

So my question to Mr. Ikbal remains, " What is the difference
between commission and corruption, as wrote commision=r lama?
present (hadiah) ?"
Present (hadiah) from what ?. 'Couse Mr. Ikbal wrote also that the person
give a present very pleasely (correct me if I wrong, You wrote
Banyak yang bilang KOMISI=HADIAH, dapatnya juga nggak maksa, nggak minta, 
sononya sendiri yang ngasih dengan ikhlas.(very please)...........)
                                    /\/\/\

And for all the netusers,
I wish you all a merry christmas and a happy new year 

syncerely yours,
mr. anon

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From: herkusut@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Herdarmadhi Kuswandito Utomo)
Subject: Na endlich was von Indonesia
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:30:25 GMT

Hallooooooooooo
Mamma mia, akhirnya ketemu juga mailbox khusus utk Indonesia....
Iwan ada nemuin beberapa adr utk kontak ke UI, ITB, GAMA, ITS,
cuma mereka pake UNINET yang mana bisa dikontak via bitnet
Siapa yang punya ide untuk nge'Hackt' indonesia-net

Iwan

ia92herd@htl02.htl-bw.ch
herkusut@amiga.physik.unizh.c
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: wishnu@cs.ruu.nl (Wishnu Prasetya)
Subject: On Corruption and Comission (a respond to Iqbal's post)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:03:42 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

I would agree that comission given as a gesture of gratitude for a
good service is justified. Unfortunately, `good services` are often
practiced by giving certain preferences to some party and is unfair to
the other.  For example Mr. Subogog who is a person of authority in
Yayasan Air Mandeg may authorized a contract to buy equipments from PT
Lampu Karet despite their higher price/quality ratio. Mr. Subugog's
argument was that Lampu Karet has been a long life and trust worthy
partner for Air Mandeg. Another reason is --but this Mr. Subogog keep
for himself, and wisely too-- that PT Lampu Karet has the most
generous way to express their gratitude for a good service.

Comission for this sort of practice should not be considered
acceptable.  This is no longer gesture of gratitude, but more a
bargain for the given previledges. The previledges given are by no
means legal, since it is motivated by personal consideration where as
you are suposed to act for the benefit of the institution you
represent.  In other words, this is an irresponsible practice and an
abuse of authority.

Of corruption, it is a great problem for Indonesia indeed. The notion
that the greatest damage is caused by corrupt high officials is in my
opinion false. No, the greatest damage is the fact that corruption has
become rooted in our society. It has become part of daily life, part
of the culture. How do you want to get rid of it when it is every
where, it is even in you, and your children? Well, I do hope that some
of us will make good leaders. With good will, good faith, and good
education we can still try to save our sucessors.

-Jade-
From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Badminton: Alan Budi Kusuma ditumbangkan oleh Rashid Sidek
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 00:39:01 -0500


### start of forwarded msg ###

>From: chan07@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hot Off the TV:Rashid Sidek wins Grand Prix Singles Finals (Men)
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:00:15 GMT

In article <BzK8oz.4G1@newsserver.technet.sg>, 
arthurc@solomon.technet.sg (Arthur!! Chai) writes:
> Moments ago, Rashid Sidek of Malaysia won the men's singles final of the
> World Grand Prix badminton championships at Stadium Negara, K.Lumpur,
> Malaysia. He beat Alan Budi Kusuma (Olympics gold medallist?) of Indonesia
> with a score of 15-7, 5-15, 15-9.
> 
> The doubles match will be played later tonite.
> 
> Yay !!!!! A Proud Malaysian ;^)
> 
> Arthur!!
Great news, dude!
	I wonder why Rashid only does well in Stadium Negara, if he did
as well elsewhere he would surely be world champion by now.
---deleted---
Wei Hsien

### end of forwarded msg ###

-wien
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Indonesian version of nuclear power plants
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:05:25 GMT


Indonesia will build a nuclear power plant beginning 1997. The plant is
planned to operate sometime in 2003, and it will generate 600 MW of electri-
city. The project's estimated cost is about $1 billion. The location
of the power plant is to be in Central Java, near Mount Muria.

I don't understand why Indonesian gov't chose Mount Muria as the site
of the nuclear power plant. Thinking about radioactive leakage, actually
there are many islands with no people in Indonesia. Why doesn't the gov't 
choose any of them and build the power plant there? Should there be any 
problems with the radioactive water, it wouldn't hurt any people. Of course, 
there would be an additional cost for the transmission lines for delivering 
the electricity to the main islands.

All I know about nuclear power plants is that they need water for 'capturing'
the heat generated by the nuclear core (or whatever it's called), and later,
this water is circulated to heat some other water to turn it into steam.
There's a lot of water involved, and water leaks easily. The chosen site
near the Mount Muria (we can assume that it's a quite high place) will
be an ideal factor for promoting the propagation of the contaminated water 
(if there's any leakage).  

Does any of you have any idea why the power plant will be built near Mount
Muria? The gov't said that lots of the funds would be allocated for buying
safety equipment, it's good to hear that, but all I can see is that there
are many people who will be affected by any failures in the power plant.
Central Java is quite crowded. Even in the remote areas, we can find
people (villagers to be exact). It would be sad to find out that the villagers
had to get the risks for something that would be (mainly) used by 
industries and people who live in the cities.

I don't want to say that a nuclear power plant is a bad choice, I just want
to express my concern about the safety. Aside from that, I have a sense
that Indonesians are good for building something (provided enough money
and time) but have no respect to what is called maintenance. In my city where
I lived, Bandung, the local gov't was fond of planting flowers around the
city parks. In the beginning, they looked good, but some months after, the
parks would be like as they had been before. The problems: lack of funds
for maintaining the flowers. Sure, power plants are not the same with 
'flower plants', but generally, I believe that the people are the same.

If any of you are familiar with nuclear power plants, I'll be glad to hear
what are the dangers 'embedded' in such plants and what precautions can be
taken to prevent them to occur.



Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu
From: dewanto@cae.wisc.edu (Gaston Dewanto)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Comp Scie major in Indonesia?
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:48:24 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <isae.725112582@pv0806.vincent.iastate.edu> isae@iastate.edu (ISU Boy !!!!!) writes:
>Pardon my ignorance, but I heard a while ago there is a comp scie
>major in some university in Indonesia; is that true? ;-)
>I mean a real Comp Scie major, not Com E or Information system. 
>What university is that? Univeristy of Indonesia?
>
>-Rony
> isae@IASTATE.EDU

Bandung Institute of Technology has Computer Science Dept. since 1981 
I think. And University of Indonesia is about to change its PUSILKOM
into a computer science faculty.
From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: The Indonesian Employment Guide for 1992/1993 [a fwd msg]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:52:03 -0500


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Message-Id:   <01GSXDSOK3AY935PK9@Jetson.UH.EDU>
Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:39:15 -0600
Reply-To: Indonesian Development Studies - Network <PBDLIST@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
>From: ST1YD@JETSON.UH.EDU
Subject:      INFORMASI KERJA

Assalamu laikum wr.wb./Dengan hormat

Untuk rekan-rekan yang hampir selesai kuliah di USA dan
membutuhkan informasi kesempatan kerja di Indonesia, silahkan
membaca buku:

RETURNING TO INDONESIA
The Indonesian Employment Guide for 1992/1993
Graduates of American Universities

Penerbit: The American Chamber of Commerce in Indonesia
(Bekerja sama dengan Institute of International Education/IIE)

Buku tersebut dibagikan gratis ke seluruh mahasiswa Indonesia
di USA melalui International Student Office sekolah Anda
masing-masing.

Semoga bermanfaat.

Wassalamu alaikum wr.wb.
/Hormat saya

Ahmad Syamil
Houston, TX


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: an1600@anon.penet.fi (homeless)
Subject: Re: On Corruption and Comission (a respond to Iqbal's post)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:28:34 GMT

From article <1992Dec30.100342.29897@cs.ruu.nl>, by wishnu@cs.ruu.nl (Wishnu Pr$

> I would agree that comission given as a gesture of gratitude for a
> good service is justified. Unfortunately, `good services` are often
> practiced by giving certain preferences to some party and is unfair to
> the other.  For example Mr. Subogog who is a person of authority in  
> Yayasan Air Mandeg may authorized a contract to buy equipments from PT
> Lampu Karet despite their higher price/quality ratio. Mr. Subugog's 
> argument was that Lampu Karet has been a long life and trust worthy
> partner for Air Mandeg. Another reason is --but this Mr. Subogog keep 
> for himself, and wisely too-- that PT Lampu Karet has the most
> generous way to express their gratitude for a good service.
>
> Comission for this sort of practice should not be considered
> acceptable.  This is no longer gesture of gratitude, but more a
> bargain for the given previledges. The previledges given are by no
> means legal, since it is motivated by personal consideration where as
> you are suposed to act for the benefit of the institution you
> represent.  In other words, this is an irresponsible practice and an
> abuse of authority.
>
> Of corruption, it is a great problem for Indonesia indeed. The notion
> that the greatest damage is caused by corrupt high officials is in my
> opinion false. 

Do you agree with me that the most amount of money, which are corrupted
are enjoyed only by a small number of high rank person, don't you ?

> No, the greatest damage is the fact that corruption has
> become rooted in our society. It has become part of daily life, part
> of the culture. 

> How do you want to get rid of it when it is every
> where, it is even in you, and your children? Well, I do hope that some
> of us will make good leaders. With good will, good faith, and good
> education we can still try to save our sucessors.

As you mentioned above that corruption has became a part of 
the culture of the country, it is very difficult to end up the
corruption, indeed.

So let us now discuss how can the corruption (commission) happen
in the (un)developing country, then maybe we can find out the
best sollution. But it is still strange to me that if indeed 
the corruption has became a part of the culture, then how can 
you explain that Ina has the most economic growth in the world ?.


> -Jade-
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From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Perhatian: Karyasiswa & DP-3
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 10:38:12 -0500

Rekan-rekan yang budiman, a.w.:

Saya hanya ingin sekedar mengingatkan saja pada anda yang tergolong
karyasiswa. Tahun 1992 sudah hampir habis, dan adalah saatnya bagi
anda sekalian untuk mengirimkan format isian DP-3 dari Advisor anda
kepada Kedubes di wilayah anda. Jika anda paling sedikit telah tinggal
selama 6 bulan di tempat anda belajar, maka anda perlu mengirimkan
format DP-3. Jika anda belum punya formatnya, tentu anda bisa meminjam
dari rekan selokal yang telah memilikinya untuk diseroks (xerox). 
Atau bilamana perlu, anda bisa memintanya di Kedubes.
"Lebih baik sedia payung, sebelum hujan." :-).

wassalam,
-wien <purwinto@sunrise.bitnet>
From: XNII000 <XNII@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Test, please ignore.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:14:16 EST

TEST ....

Please Ignore ....

Just wanna see if I could reach this group
with my facility.

Thanks,
Catch you later...
From: B. Rahardjo <budi@bison.mb.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Pasukan Garuda diculik Khmer Merah ?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:00:34 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Bison net - Manitoba, Canada


Post from mas Satyo, nyasar ke tempat saya. Mas Satyo kalau mau kirim
post ke : aci@bison.mb.ca
--budi

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:15:14 WIB
From: "Satyo Fatwan" <SATYO@JAKVM001.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject: Pasukan Garuda diculik Khmer Merah?

Ref:  Your note of Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:52:10 CST

Berikut versi PUSPEN ABRI yang saya kutip dari berbagai media cetak dan elektro
nik yang ada di Jakarta. Main pointsnya saja.

"Pasukan Garuda Tidak Ada yang di Tahan"
----------------------------------------
Guna membebaskan dua perwira PBB yang ditahan Khmer Merah (DK), UNTAC meminta
pasukan Indonesia mengirim tim untuk membebaskan mereka. Tim yang dikirim adala
h bagian dari "PRC" (Pasukan Reaksi Cepat) ABRI dan diberi tugas untuk membebas
kan kedua perwira tersebut.

Tahap negosiasi berhasil namun karena hari sudah malam, maka diputuskan untuk
tidak kembali pada hari itu juga. Selama berada di daerah DK, pasukan Indonesia
bebas ke mana saja dan membawa senjata.

Jadi bukan ditahan.
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