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From: sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (S. Meikle)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:10:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright. 
>
>Then, a few weeks ago, I took her to the doctor for her regular
>checkup.  On our way back, I asked her: "Do you want to be a
>doctor when you grow up?"  Her answer shocked me.  "No," she said
>"I want to get married."  "But you can be a doctor and get married
>too" I tried to tell her that there is really no conflict here.
>"No," she said "I want to be a mom and have kids."  "But you can
>be a mom, have kids, and be a doctor at the same time." I was trying
>my best to explain to her.  "No," her voice became lauder "I don't
>want to be a doctor.  I want to get married when I grow up."
>
>Any suggestion for us to turn the things around?  

Your daughter probably wants to be a mom because she loves her own
mom so much.  After all, mom is one of the biggest role models in 
a little kid's life, and no matter what else a mom might do, the 
important thing to the kid is that she is a mom.  I think that this
is a wonderful complement.

I wouldn't worry unless she starts wanting to be an axe murderer, or
something else antisocial.  As she gets older, her world view will 
expand.  

Sian


-- 

sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca                                  Sian Meikle
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:02:50 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Sep28.174219.4216@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
>[stuff on trying to get a 4 year old thinking of a career deleted]
>
>I may be opening up a flame war for asking this, but does anyone
>else think that a 4 year old is just a little *too* young to have
>a career formulated already?

Yes, I agree that 4 is too young to have formulated career plans!

On a more serious note, it might not be a bad idea to point out
any women in her life who work and are also parents (while still
saying, "yes, Mommies are very important!").


Peggy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Subject: Mattel and math avoidance in girls
Reply-To: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:59:05 GMT

> Forwarded from the net.... [9/25]
> 	
> >Subj:	Mattel and math avoidance in girls.
> >
> >     According to the Wall Street Journal this morning, Mattel is selling
> >     a product called "Teen Talk Barbie" which says 4 phrases.  One of the 
> >     phrases is "Math class is hard".  I can't imagine a product better
> >     designed to program math avoidance into little girls.  We've all heard
> >     many times how math avoidance limits women's educational opportunities
> >     and career choices.  Mattel justifies this product by saying something
> >     like they aren't saying the other classes are easy, and that they have
> >     a doll availble that says "I want to be a doctor".  I'm sure we all
> >     wish Barbie good luck on achieving her goal of becoming a doctor
> >     without any math skills.  If you have views on this subject that
> >     you would like to share with the Mattel company, you can call
> >     1-800-421-2887 or write to Mattel at 330 Continental Blvd.,
> >     El Secundo, Ca. 90245.


-Lois


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:53:22 GMT

In a recent misc.kids article, paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) wrote:
>
>For me it was getting perscription sunglasses that signified that I was
>a "grown-up" - though I still don't always act it (do any of us?)
>
>Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?
>
Yep. Jury duty.


-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (preferred) or marcy@sq.com (if you must)
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Experiments
Date: 5 Oct 1992 20:07:23 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: leander.think.com

In article <1992Oct5.145108.1@stsci.edu> mryan@stsci.edu writes:
>Here is one that my 5th-grader had to do for homework, but it's really very
>easy.  It demonstrates the principle that "hot air rises".

Actually, I think it's the expansion of the air that matters here.
It's true, though, that the expansion results in the air's lowered
density, which is what makes it rise.

>You need:
>	a small balloon (inflate it a few times to loosen it up)
>	an empty bottle, e.g. 16 oz soda bottle
>	a bowl of hot tap water
>	a bowl of ice water

>Put the deflated balloon over the mouth of the soda bottle.  Put the soda
>bottle into the hot water.  After a few seconds, the balloon will straighten
>up and inflate a little.  Then put the soda bottle into the ice water.
>The balloon will shrink and go limp again.  The kids liked to do this
>over and over.

Speaking of experiments they love to do over and over, an even simpler
one is to demonstrate how their pupils are reactive. They can watch
themselves in a mirror while alternately shading and exposing their
eyes with their hands. 

-- 
Ephraim Vishniac    ephraim@think.com   ThinkingCorp@applelink.apple.com
 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
From: avs20@ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:24:04 GMT
Reply-To: avs20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I have always been generally impressed with Dr. Spock but am a bit
confused with the recent press reports about his stands against drinking
milk. The newspapers and tv have not given much of scientific basis but
instead just catchy phrases like "No More Milk and Cookies?"
I would like to know more about :
- Potential link to diabetes
- Risks of drinking calcium  thru milk
- Risks associated with drinking cow's milk at different age groups
Of course, I agree that breastmilk is the best nutrition for infants.
Finally, while I like Dr. Spock as a pioneer in child care and a peace
activist, he may be in error- on the other hand, the dairy milk lobby here
in US is very strong (funny TV commercials, though). Thanks for reading,
Atul /email: avs20\@juts.ccc.amdahl.com / father of 19-mo old wonder
From: luse@gdwest.gd.com (Stephen A. Luse)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kid Seats on Bikes
Keywords: bikeseats trailers helmets
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:26:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.

In article <9209241958.AA01208@GAUSS.CIMS.NYU.EDU> mckenney@CIMS.NYU.EDU writes:
>
>    So, what experience do you trailer fans have with trailers on steep hills?
>

Let me add my experience.  I have an Equinox trailer that I bought for
my dog and have used it on my mountain bike for over 4 years. (Don't give
me a hard time about spoiling my dog - she was born with hip displasia
and the trailer allows her to get outside for more than just a walk
and gives me badly needed excercise.) The dog weighs in at 65 pounds,
the trailer about 20.

The trailer attaches to the frame in the "V" right next to the rear
axle.  I live around some steep hills, and have never encountered
any stability problems, even crusing downhill at over 25 mph.  The
trailer has never threatened to fishtail. (To be honest, I'm very
careful while towing the trailer, and have never had to put on the
brakes HARD, i.e. in the face of a potential accident.)  The trailer's
weight has never caused me to pop a wheelie while climbing the hills
either. (I can cause this by shifting my weight to the rear, but
I can do this with or without the trailer.)

In the few minor accidents where I've lost control of the bike and
ended on the ground, the trailer is still standing vertical, with its
passenger safely looking at me in amazement while I return the stare with
a dumbfoundly stupid look.

I have ridden bicycles with the child seat above the rear wheel, and
I don't like them.  The bicycle's center of gravity is very high, and 
the child can fall further than he/she would in a trailer.

Even though the trailer makes the bike longer, defensive rideing can
overcome this.  I personally feel that the trailer is a much safer way
to go, and since I have a new daughter ariving later this month, I will
have no reservations about her riding in the trailer.

						       Steph Luse
						       luse@gdwest.gd.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: "empathy belly" toy?
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:23:31 GMT

Actually, I have seen these gadgets used in high school sex ed classes on 
both the guys _and_ the girls, and it _does_ provide a rather eye-opening
perspective on pregnancy.  Lots of comments about how they want to avoid
having to go through that...

--
===============================================================================
paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
===============================================================================
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Episiotomy and Canadian study
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:11:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center

Forceps delivery in current times differ from the forceps of some years
ago.  Those were "high forceps" back then, and they could bruise/scar
babies who were removed with them.  Today, forceps don't necessarily do
that (it's not impossible, just not as likely).  My daughter was born
with the use of forceps (and the doctor really was pulling!!!), plus an
episiotomy with epidural anesthesia.  She showed no marks on her from
the forceps, and was just fine.  I had no pain to speak of (had a shot
of Demerol after the epidural was removed) and the stitches for the
episiotomy were "self-dissolving" or some such (i.e., no removal).  

So my experience with having an episiotomy was not bad.  Just wanted to
mention it so there'd be one positive (or at least non-negative :-)
example mentioned here.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: randy@sdiego.uucp (Randy Yount)
Subject: Re: Halloween party ideas wanted
Organization: Harris Computer Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:37:57 GMT

mh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mary Hart) writes:

>I told my boys that this year we would have a Halloween party.  (we had
>one few years back, and each year since, someone has invited all of us
>to one.)

>My boys are 4 & 8, and I'm envisioning that each will invite  3-4
>friends, and some of my younger son's friends moms or dads will probably
>end up staying, so I won't be doing this by myself.

>I'm leaning toward doing this the night before Halloween (as opposed to
>the afternoon of Halloween (Saturday), but I'm still open.

>Showing a movie seems like a possibility (though it means borrowing a
>VCR, since I don't have one).  I've also thought of making caramel
>apples.   I haven't come up with anything else that I'm really excited
>about, though, for two sort of diverse age groups.  Any ideas would be
>greatly appreciated!

>Thanks-

>Mary Hart
>mh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu

Here are my two cents....

How about a Halloween pinata?  You could fill it will small toys and candy
and that would cut down on the sweets.

Bobbing for apples is fun for any age group.  Or how about Pin the head on
the skeleton?  You could also have the kids come in costume and have a
contest.  Or get some small pumpkins and markers and have a decorating contest.

I would make the carmel apples ahead of time because they take some time to 
set up.  Popcorn balls are also good.  Showing a movie may or may not be a
good idea given the attention span of 4 year olds but the older kids may like
it.  You could make up a small treasure hunt in the back yard.  Leave small 
clues and break kids into teams.  I've tried most of these and they are fun.
Hope this helps.

Marsi Hauer
...uunet!sdsu!sdiego!marsi

From: dclark@hpscit.sc.hp.com (David Clark)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:43:13 GMT
Subject: Cute things they say (20 MO)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Gems from Genevieve (20 months old):


    "Cars on the freeway, freeing away!"


    "Helicopter!  Helling along to the airport!"


David Clark
dclark@scd.hp.com

From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:18:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Poopy Diaper Credit (Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets vs. the Ovarian Nurturer
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:

> I've known men who hated their x-wives (and their x-wives deserved it)
> and paid child support while they (the men) actually had physical custody
> and paid the bills that go with physical custody.  They continued this
> way, even though they were being nailed financially, because it was in
> the best interests of their kids, and today their
> kids are decent human beings because their fathers cared about them
> and didn't abandon them.  The taxpayers can't make up for the fact that your
> parent abandoned you.


  I don't understand.  If the father has custody, why is it in the best
interests of the children for him to pay "child support" to the mother,
leaving him with less to support the children?

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
Subject: Consumer FAQ for baby items?
Keywords: wind-up baby swing
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:35:34 GMT

Is there an FAQ for baby stuff, such as carseats, cribs, etc.?
In particular, I want to buy one of those wind-up baby swings
as a gift and I have no idea what kind to get.

I'd appreciate your help! 
-- 
___________________
Margaret Wiginton
margaret@msw104i.b24b.ingr.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Car Seats (no, not a FAQ, I don't think!)
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:52:42 GMT


My baby should be arriving in about six weeks and one of the (it seems
like so many) things I have left to do is purchase a car seat. So, last
night I went to the library to dig out a copy of the Jan '92 Consumer
Reports article on car seats.

We've already pretty much decided to get a convertible as we're not rolling
in dough and would like the seat we get to last as long as possible. I have
two questions after reading the article (and yes, I already looked for 
answers in the FAQ but didn't find them.)

1.  One of CR's recommendations, in a nutshell, is that a five-point harness
be used for infants rather than a shield or bar, both of which may be too
high for an infants head. The shield/bar are more appropriate for a large
baby or toddler. So, to those of you who have the 5-pt harness kind, do you
still like them for an older/bigger child? CR says they're not as easy to
get on as the shield or bar so maybe they're not ideal later? I guess I was
a little confused by the way they worded this.

2.  I hear everywhere: "not every seat fits every child so bring the child
to pick out the seat," Sorry, can't do that. How do you pick out a seat for
a baby that's not born yet, since you have to have it before you go to the
hospital? Is there a particular brand that people have found is more
accomodating to differently sized/shaped children?

Thank you very much in advance for any suggestions!

-Jen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:33:48 GMT

nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:


>The most important thing to consider is whether the kid feels
>better and more in control on meds and whether he is doing
>better in school.  Ritalin is by no means indicated in all kids
>who are "off task" at school, but when the diagnosis of ADHD
>can be confirmed it is cruel to the child to withhold it unless
>there are significant side effects.

What is sad is when parents push the doctors to put the kids
on ritalin when the kid is just active. 
.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: mdicker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Dickerson)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:56:14 GMT

waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:

>No such operations are performed in Malaysia. They may have done in the old
>times but not anymore. Though I have heard of it being performed in Africa

There have been documented cases of this in Malaysia as late as 1989,
which is hardly "old times". But from what I have read, it isn't as
common there as in Africa. 

I agree with whoever said that such things should only be done with
the informed consent of the person involved.  NEVER against their
will.  Same applies to the male version.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:44:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <ld3in4INNd89@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>|	Stop comparing apples & oranges.
>
>No, he's comparing macintosh and delicious.  You, when you talk about
>drinking motor oil, are comparing apples and oranges.
	

	AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH but I am not!!!!!!


	What is one of the principal items that kids react to, according
	to Feingold?

	Artificial Food colorings and dies!!

	And what are these things made of??????



	PETROLEUM!!!!!!!!!!


	So do you think that kids *MIGHT* react adversely to this?

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:14:49 GMT

mpevans@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Evans) writes:

>Anyone know why UNICEF are doing this, suggest that they be had up
>for misuse of funds if they are?

I suspect that they are doing it to try to prevent the children from 
dying when it's done in the "traditional" way. It's a no-win situation.
If they do it, they are perpetuating a barbaric custom. If they don't,
they'll have to try to treat the children anyway, and only after *serious*
complications may have set in.


-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
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(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: First bicycle - when?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Distribution: usa
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:26:53 GMT

I realize that there isn't any magic age at which time a parent should 
buy their child's first bicycle, but based on your *experience*, can anyone 
recommend a general timeframe for when a child should be ready for their 
first bicycle?  Also, is there a FAQ file of bicycle training hints?
Thanks!

- Cindy Windham
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:05:21 GMT
Subject: rivalry and potty training
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

You may or may not remember my woes with sibling rivalry.  My kids,
ages 2.5 and 4.5, have just about always competed with each other for
attention, toys, etc.  While we've made some progress in reducing the
amount of fighting in our house, the rivalry continues.  Here's our
latest saga:

Caitlin decided she's ready for potty training (yeah!).  She used
the potty one evening and naturally we were delighted and made a big
fuss about it.  Emily, our older daughter, also seemed pleased for
her sister.  Since then, we have really tried to pay attention to
Caitlin's requests to use the potty, and we will sit there with her
for quite a while if necessary.  This is exactly what we did when
potty training Emily.

Unfortunately, Caitlin's potty training seems to have Emily feeling 
left out.  If we put Caitlin in underpants and she has an accident, 
we clean her up.  Emily then feels left out and has her own "accident" 
(definitely intentional since Emily never has had accidents and seems 
to have a bladder of steel).  We're trying to give Emily some additional 
one-on-one, but that doesn't seem to do the trick so far.

So netters, in your infinite wisdom, do you have any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25196 misc.legal:18104
From: davem@mcs213i.cs.umr.edu (Dave Mentis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:56:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: umr.1992Oct5.185622.721
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Oct5.154955.16822@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.052455.25795@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>>  [ ... ]   Unfortunately
>>the most effective means that has been found is to hold the owner
>>of the attractive nuisance responsible.
>
>Where do you draw the line?  What do you do if studies indicate that,
>of the remaaining fatalities that still occur with covered pools, 5%
>could have been eliminated if the owner built 12' fences around his
>property, put padlocks on all the gates and changed the combinations
>every week?
>


You grit your sensible, libertarian teeth and build the 12' fence.
Now you're at least secure in the knowledge that morally you've done
all that could reasonably be done to save poor Johnny from himself.
You're also secure that legally you've got an air tight case.

Then Johnny climbs that fence, falls off on your side, and breaks
his neck. His parents then sue you for having a 12' tall attractive
nuisance on your property.

Hope this helps.

Oh, that'll be $105.00 for the legal advice.    ;-)


  -- davem@cs.umr.edu
-- 
 There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life  
 in your own way.                                           
                                                           
                              -- Christopher Morley