HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kpr5629@hertz.njit.edu (Kishore P. Reddy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Latest FORTUNE magazine cover
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:12:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <47687@ogicse.ogi.edu> partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
RP>The latest FORTUNE magazine cover has some Indians in it - 
RP>an Indian lady in a yellow saree and a couple of guys. I just
RP>browsed through the issue. It was the main article of the issue
RP>about the globalization of wotk force. There was some mention about
RP>the software boom in India. If anyone has read that issue, just
RP>throw in your opinions on that.
RP>
RP>Partha sarathy

	Yeah.. I read that magazine. That photo has been taken in 3M
	company in Bangalore. But the CAPTION on the cover is
	misleading.
	It says: "Look who is getting jobs"
	I'm sure it's going to make lot of eye-brows raise and also
	develop the wrong impression that Indians  are occupying all the
	jobs even in this recession. Non-indians are not going to like
	that, for sure.. 
	But the magazine is  trying to attract with cover page without
	any interesting information inside.

	Kishore Reddy
	reddy@ulysses.att.com


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From: sramalin@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: RARE GEM TO READ AND REMEMBER !!
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:52:42 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 17:07:04 PST
From: Makarand Gadre <a-makag@microsoft.com>
Subject: A Joke
 
This is one of my favourites.
 
In a jungle, there is a tiger resting under a tree. A monkey sitting on
the tree wants to play a prank on the tiger so it sneaks down, kicks
the tiger in the butt and jumps back on the tree. The tiger is furious.
But he can't do anything so he goes back to rest. The same thing
happens again and at the third instance of kicking, the tiger starts
climbing the tree. Monkey jumps from one tree to another & the tiger
keeps on chasing him from tree to tree. Suddenly there is a clearing in
the woods and there is a small house in front of a lake. There is a man
swimming in the lake with his belongings like clothes, hat, glasses
etc. on a chair on the patio. The monkey goes up to the chair, wears
the clothes, puts on the hat, glasses and sits on the chair reading a
newspaper. The tiger reaches there panting and exhausted from the
pursuit and thinking that the monkey is a human, asks him "Sir, did you
see any monkey around here?" The monkey asks back "Are you talking
about the one that kicked you in the butt ?" The tiger is amazed "Oh
No. It already came in the papers Hmmmm.!!!"
 
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Sent on the net w/o permission of Sri Makarand Gadre..And apologies for doing so
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Note : This is taken from India-Digest and I find that I-D is posted on the net
already. The no. is 57127 on the net. But this is the only isolated story.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Please Make me Bengali [ Bengali culture for net.bhadraloks] -- Icarus.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:54:47 GMT

In article <1hqcdpINNdpr@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>>  thing; that is "sci.lang.bengali" - will only praise and kiss each other's
>>  dirty behind, because *once upon a time* there were G--R--E--A--T Bengalis
>>  like Tagore, Vidyasagar, J.C.Bose, Ashutosh Mookherjee and on and on and on..
>>
>>    - good luck,
>>
>>      deb chatterjee
>>    (a good samaritan) 
>>  
>Ah, blasphemy. How can you forget great bengalis of today like
>Samit Bannerjee, Subhendu Mukherjee, Vijay Sagar, yours truly
>and the honorary member of our club Mr. Harsh Varma.
>Arindam
>

Arindam, 

       Could it be ? The Arindam Ghosh ?  Back on sci ?
       Welcome. Nice to have you back.

       Still, how can you forget such important bengalis as 
Bijoy Sagar, Ajai Banerjee and Deb chatterjee (PBUH)  himself ?

And while we are at it, add my name to the list.

What are my claims to that glorious state: Bengalihoood ?
Well, for one, I have seen howrah station, like very few have:
In total darknes, when it was pouring cats and dogs (some red cats
and red dogs too , but the rain washed all the color away :-) )
and the trains hadnt moved for a day and a night.

I have seen pritish nandy's house.
I have read his collected works ( is that a good thing ? )
I can say "hamar sonar bangla" with elan, so my friends tell me.
I think teh calcutta metro is the worlds best (Im in good company,
so did the people who decide these things) ( and tehn again I might
have erred, having seen only three metro systems ).
I think rabindranath tagore was a great "naive" painter.
I think he was a great writer too.
[ I also think he would have risen greater hieghts if he had given up
his obsession with romance and "feminine" topics.]
I like calcutta [ there, I said it. ]
I like rosgullas [ in the plural ]
I think bengali women have great taste in clothes.
[ unfortunately they have good taste in men too which rules me out ]
I once waved to the ex-president venky when he was top-man, standing
at one of the park street crossings in calcutta.
There is a cafe called cafe kafka in calcutta, [ which my friends tell
me is bengali for cafe coffee ka  :-)]

So many reasons to be a bengali, at least a honorary one.
Do I have to count more reasons ?

2] Stay Cool..


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vbhatt@cs.cornell.edu (Vivek Bhatt)
Subject: Siachen
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:14:01 GMT

Just read on clari.news.headlines that the Indian army claimed to have
"repelled" an attack by Pakistan at Siachen. It must be more seroius than usual
to get a mention in the clari.headlines.

I remember reading a few weeks ago about India and Pakistan negotiating
a settltment to put an end to the Siachen "war". What happened to that?

News gurus please enlighten :-)

--Vivek
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: swami1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (swaminathan,kashi r)
Subject: Re: RE SOC.CULTURE.PUNJAB
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.150147.28905@news.clarkson.edu> rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor) writes:
>
>Why not rec.humor ...?
>
>
>Kapoor
>
>( No offense, please...)
>


That's not humourous.

I fully support soc.culture.punjab. They have a distinct culture,
but I would prefer if it is also under the soc.culture.indian as
soc.culture.indian.punjab. It would be less controversial that way.
From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sonar Tori (THE GOLDEN BOAT), a poem by Tagore
Date: 30 Dec 1992 20:26:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

This poem written by Tagore in 1935 or thereabouts was criticized by many
of the left leaning intellectuals of the time as being overtly simplistic.
It after all deals with the story of a peasant who has just finished 
harvesting his crop and is caught in a incessant downpour
when all of a sudden, a boat materializes and agrees to take his crop to 
safety. After all the grain has been loaded, there is not enough space for 
the peasant and the boat sails on by, abandoning him to the elements.

However the actual meaning is somewhat allegorical. The boat represents
civilization which Tagore claims is only interested in the products of a 
man's intellect, his contributions to society and not his person.
Many critics feel that the poem is largely introspective as Tagore approached
what were to be his twilight years.

If anybody (non Bengali speaking, that is) is interested in a translation,
please say so on the net or send me mail. I will try and oblige.

Samit

*******************************************************************************
Gogone goroje megh, ghono borosha,
kule eka bose achi, nahi bhorsha,
rasi,rasi, bhara, bhara, 
dhan kata holo sara.

Bhora nodi khuro dhara, khoro porosa,
katite, katite dhan elo borsha,
ek khani choto khet ami ekla,
chari dike banka jol, koriche khela.

Poro pare dekhi anka,
toru chaya mosi makha,
gram khani meghe dhaka,
Probhat o bela, a parete choto khet ami ekeyla.

Gan geye tori beye, ke ase pare,
dekhe jano mone hoi, chini ohare,
o go tumi khota jao, kon sudure,
barek bhirao tori, kulete eshe.

Jeyo jetha jete chao,
jare khusi tare dao,
sudhe tumi niye jao,
khoniko esche, amar sonar dhan kulete esche, 

Joto dao toto lao toroni pore,
aar ache 
ar nai diyechi bhore,
abar amare nao, kurna kore.

Thain nai, thain nai, choto se tori,
amar he sonar dhane giyeche je bhori,
srabon gogon ghire, ghono megh ghure phire,
sunno nodir tire, rohinu pori,
jaha chilo niye gelo sonar tori.

*******************************************************************************

-- 
Samit Banerjee,			    |  
University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Babri Masjid (Who was Babar)
Organization: bnr.ca
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:45:44 GMT

Here is my 2-cents worth after reading a lot of sane and "insane"	
stuff from netters:	

1. Destruction of place of worship is Vandalism, no matter who does
   it. There is absolutely no justification for it. 

2. Who should be ashamed? The "Vandals" of course. Don't punish the
   innocent with guilty. Most people (99%) would against such gross
   acts of vandalism. This would be true in Pakistan or India.

3. MK Ghandi contended - all religios are imperfect because we (human)
   are imperfect. To follow a religion "blindly" will only make us
   "blind" (much to the delight of clerics, of course).

Love for all, hate for none...comprendez amigoes	
JAIS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ramprasa@137.23.47.53
Subject: A quote from The Economist.
Reply-To: ramprasa@137.23.47.53
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:05:04 GMT

"Certainly, it would be simplistic to view the events at Ayodhya and
after, which claimed 1200 lives within 10 days, as just a Hindu-Muslim
battle. Had it been so, Hindus would have won long ago, since they
account for 83% of the population and Muslims for barely 11%. The real
confrontation is between secular and sectarian Hindus."

					The Economist (Dec. 19, 1992).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rsrahimi@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Rahimuddin S Rahimi)
Subject: Rao govt survives no-confidence motion
Keywords: no confidence
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:59:48 EST




Rao's government survive no confidence motion tabled by Vajpayee.
Motion was killed by 300-106 votes. Source BBC.




RAHIMI  -- Let sleeping dogs lie.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: Pandit Birju Maharaj in N.America
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:31:38 GMT



Pandit Birju Maharaj along with his company will be touring North America
for the months of June and July, 1993. If you would like to organise a
performance, workshops, lecture-demonstrations and/or master classes
of Kathak Dance, Tabla, and vocal music, please contact :

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
c/o Rita Mitra Mustaphi
5444 Orchard Avenue No.
Crystal, MN, 55429

Ph # : (612)537-8291

			Pandit Birju Maharaj
			****** ***** *******

Pandit Birju Maharaj is the recipient of "Padma Vibhushan" - the highest
Presidential Award for achievements. He is a master choreographer, renowned
composer, vocalist and percussionist. He represents the seventh generation
of hereditary storytelling dancers. He was the invited choregrapher at the
American Dance Festival in 1991.

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc., Crystal, MN, will arrange for a grand tour of
the dance master along with his company of dancers and musicians.

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From: rsivasan@sedona.intel.com (Rajkumar Sivasankaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Matrimonial query: Bride search
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:18:28 GMT
Reply-To: rsivasan@sedona.intel.com
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: EMD Group, Intel Corporation, chandler, AZ
Originator: rsivasan@sedona


Hi,

I'm posting this for a friend. Any replies could be sent to
me or to him. If your reply is going to be on e-mail send it
to me since he doesn't have access to e-mail.

Particulars:

Hindu, from Madras.

Height: 5' 9"	Weight: 165 lbs	   Age: 28 years

Fair complexion, easy going personality.

Education: B.E from Guindy, Madras. M.S from ASU.

Job: Marketing Engineer at Intel Corporation, Chandler, AZ

Expectation on the girl: 
Looking for well-educated(college degree), fair, tall, slim with
easy going personality.
Caste, religion and language no bar!


Send replies to:

For e-mail:	rsivasan@sedona.intel.com

Phone:	Murugavel Shanmugam	(602) 963-3138  (home #)
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bangalore and IIT's
Date: 31 Dec 1992 12:33:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Sudarshan writes:
>
>One Tamilian said, "Bangalore" is actually "PengaLooru" - Land of Girls.
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Hey Sridhar, you better put the directions to "Pengalooru" in the
	FAQ now....




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: Bengali culture for net.bhadraloks
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:19:27 GMT

In article <1htkr9INNe9b@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>two projects that have been completed, the second Hooghly Bridge
>(12 years behind schedule and costing 10 times as much) 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You must be kidding, or can you count?;-)
The work started in 1974. And you all know, when it is finished.
Now, start counting. :-)

later,



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: NEWS: Temple for Kushboo in Tiruchi
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:36:05 GMT

In <kat.724954239@ro> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:

>In <1992Dec21.071252.19046@news.ysu.edu> ah724@yfn.ysu.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:


>>    I heard that a temple for Kushboo is under construction
>>in Tiruchi. This temple, called `Kushambigal Devalayam', for
>>the actress Kushboo,  will be completed in January, according
>>to the trustees of the temple..

>>    This, I think, is the first time, the movie culture in
>>Tamilnadu is building temples to movie-stars while they are
>>alive. ( The temple for M.G.R. in Perambur, Madras, was built
>>after his death. )


>  paaNdiyarE! ithenna pakudiyaa! uNmaiyaa!
>  vEdikkayaa? viLaiyaattaa? 
>  vicayaamaa? illai vipaththaa? 

  Is it the truth! or joke!
 or frolic! or gimmick!
 or an accident!
> Kathiravan    
>>-- 
>>pax vobiscum,
>>sundara pandian
>>ah724@yfn.ysu.edu
From: t90nikhi@mp.cs.niu.edu (Nikhil Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: alt.culture.bengali
Date: 26 Dec 1992 19:13:13 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



>I am proposing the creation of a new newsgroup called alt.culture.bengali.
>This newsgroup is intented to be a place to discuss Bengali language,
>literature and other aspects of Bengali culture.


>
>I hope I will receive a favorable response.
>
>- Bijoy Sagar


I vote YES for the new newsgroup. However, I think that it will fit better in 
soc.heirarchy.

Nikhil Kumar
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad Demands Lifting of Bans
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:02:22 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu


I wish that the Shankaracharyas et al. would keep their noses out of
political affairs. Religion and politics are a volatile mix, and the
addition of their voices to the mix will only lower their own long-term
institutional credibility, NOT enhance the credibility of the RJB movement.

It was bad enough that Niranjan Dev Theerth (the SA of Puri) got himself 
into hot water with his support for sati; now the Kanchi Acharya seems to be
compounding the error. 

If they collectively endorse the BJP in the next election, the trend begun
by Bukhari in 1989 of religious heads endorsing political parties will be
complete; and their credibility cannot but erode, hurting the faith in the
long run. 

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: deb@soil.Princeton.EDU (Arghya Deb)
Subject: A request to Deepak Bose
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:42:47 GMT

 Deepakji,
 Namaste. I do not know why you post this sort of stuff on the net. If you
 are doing it for fun, I guess you must be getting tired of it by now. If
 you are merely exercising your rights under the First Ammendment, don't
 you think there are more wholesome ways of doing so? But if you are truly
 serious, I would just like to point out that you are misrepresenting and
 distorting an entire ideology and giving a bad name to something good 
 and great.

 Entire groups of people have dedicated their lives, from long before you
 or I were born. They have done so out of love for the motherland, for the
 well-being of their fellow citizens. They were humble men and women -
 unsung heroes all.

 The sort of virulent Muslim hatred you display is definitely not part of
 the RSS ethos. Like the 'kar-sevaks' who unilaterally and violently 
 destroyed the mosque in Ayodhya, you too are causing great harm to the
 RSS idea. And by bringing Shri Ram into all this, I am sure you are a
 source of pain and anguish to true devotees everywhere.   

 The best answer to Mustapha Ibrahim and his likes is to ignore them. If
 you feel impelled to reply couldn't you lower the octave a bit? 

 Please do not regard this as an attempt to give advice. It is more in the
 nature of an appeal. 
                               With regards,
                                Arghya Deb
From: bkannan@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Kuram Narayana on AndaaL
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:45:50 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



>In a previous article, narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) says:

>The Bhakthi regime was a serious blow to the development of secular
>Hinduism. Actaully idol worship as exemplified by the TN variety is
>the worst communal form of Hinduism one can find. It rigidifies the
>thought, sectarianizes the subjects, and worse makes people believe
>that Moksha is something you can get by going to a temple. If one reads
>the Thiruppavai, and the worship performed by AndaaL (we used to go
>to the temple early morning every day in the Dhanurmasam period to
>hear to the Thiruppavai), one clearly see that behind the facade
>of total prapatthi of AndaaL (admirable that AndaaL is), there is a
>total absense of any intellectualism. In other words, the religion
>of the south immensely damaged the intellectualism and the secularism
>of the Hinduism.
> 
>Thus the decline of Hinduism in the north, and the recent revival
>of the brahminical vedantic tradition, along with the yagnas and
>the yagas, is perhaps the best that we should hope for.
>If it takes of, we will have more thinking Hindus than chest-beating
>Hindus chanting "Ayappo-Swamyne-Ayappo" variety. Intellectualism


  Interesting. What on earth have yagnas to do with 'thinking'
  that a  "Ayyapo...." chanting doesn't?? 

  Neither one has any merit [proven] if your intention was to offer 
  a rational alternative. 
  
>is the fulcrum of Hindu thought. It offered diversity, freedom thought,
>and liberation of mind. More importantly, it offered individuality
>of thought and action without the abiding structure.
>
>...kt
>

   Lest you forget, some of the practices of brahmins/vedantins have been/are
   as much an object of ridicule [Universal, I assure you :-)] as is 
   your contempt for 'chest-beating' by a partciular group of Hindu followers. 
   *My* concern is that, in attempting to gloat over the brahminical/vedantic 
   achievements of the past and the glory-to-be of the future :-)[by reverting 
   to ......... practices], you could be doing more damage to Hinduism [intell-
   ectual or otherwise ;; unwittingly :-) subjecting it to ridicule] than the 
   combined assault of *all* those chest-beaters on 'intellectual' Hinduism :-)
  
   bk


Disclaimer: I am no chest-beater of *any* variety :-)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: (was Re:Alt.culture.bengal)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:56:54 GMT

In article <Dec.24.17.59.32.1992.10828@remus.rutgers.edu> shadagop@remus.rutgers.edu (Narayanan Shadagopan) writes:
>
>
>Harsh - will you please stop posting on the net?
>The reasons for this are:
>
>1) You are stupid.
>2) People would unnecessarily extrapolate that everybody from Rutgers
>   is stupid.
>3) You are ugly (I should know - you are my room-mate).
>
>Leave the Bengalis alone, and worry about Bihar. It needs more help. 
>See you tonight.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Have fun, and don't forget to turn the lights out :-) ;-)


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an4333@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Trying
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:45:42 GMT

Just trying to find out, how this donkey Mustafa has become so intellegent
He now a days uses this service.


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From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: My No to SCB
Date: 25 Dec 1992 00:21:10 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

I say No to ACB based on the following reason.

I do not think that there is a critical mass of
Bengalis interested in discussing esoteric
aspects of Bengali literature which cannot be 
comprehended by the general SCI population.
Hence I say No
Love
Arindam

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