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From: civan@seanews.akita.com (Chuck Dinsmore)
Subject: Puget Sound Chapter HP Users Meeting
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:18:11 GMT


                P U G E T   S O U N D   C H A P T E R
            H P   H A N D H E L D   U S E R S   G R O U P

                         HP-48SX/HP-95LX   

           CHAPTER COORDINATOR---Bob Moore (206) 364-9636
        ASSOCIATE COORDINATOR---Chuck Dinsmore (206) 932-8370

The next PUGET SOUND CHAPTER-HP USERS GROUP Chapter meeting will be held

Wednesday November 11, 1992 at 7:00 P.M. There is always Interesting
discussion about HP products, calculators and computers. We include
discussions on both hardware and software. Products of other
manufacturers are reviewed. We have contact with people at HP and most
of the other HP fanatics around the world. We began our existence back
with the HP-65 calculator and were a branch of the original PPC.
We here the latest "rumors" of HP future products (nothing from the
horses mouth), and sometimes HP folks come to our meetings to talk about
the latest releases. Anyone interested in HP stuff are welcome to attend
our meetings.

                       The meetings are held at:
           THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON ACADEMIC COMPUTER CENTER
                             3737 Brooklyn
                              Seattle, Wa.

We also moderate the HP USERS CONFERENCE on a local BBS. This BBS also
has
an HP file directory that contains many HP-48SX programs and HP-95LX
programs that can be downloaded. Interested users are welcome to upload
their HP programs for others to use. They may be public domain or
shareware. comp.sys.handhelds,  comp.sys.palmtops, and comp.sys.hp48
Usenet newsgroup message are collected periodically and placed in the HP
files directory to be downloaded for those who are interested. They are
in a zipped format so have PKZIP110.EXE to unzip them after downloading.


           Download
           -                Upload
                            -                 Programs
                                              -
                      SCIENCE FACTOR BBS  ( A PCBoard )
                      Sysop Bruce N. Baker
                      Node 1------------(206) 562-7083
                      Node 2------------(206) 644-4569
                      Node 3------------(206) 747-5329

See you there:
 civan@seanews.akita.com (Chuck Dinsmore) 
From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:40:03 GMT
Subject: Re: IR interface protocol question
Message-ID: <2aff630d.1733.4comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Keywords: IR interface, derivatives, .ZIP files

walton@cs.utah.edu [Cory woody Walton] asks:

> what is the meaning of the CONDITIONAL, the third (optional)
> parameter in the list when doing @MATCH

It's not clear in the old 2-volume Owner's Manual (see page 415; it
merely says " 'conditional' is an optional specification of an
additional condition that must be met before the replacement is
made").  The new 1-volume manual spells it out better.  The following
is extrapolated from pages 22-23 to 22-24:

     You can also make conditional transformations -- the
     transformation occurs or not depending on a condition
     you specify.

     The list specifying a conditional transformation has
     this form:

     { 'search'  'replace'  'conditional' }

     For a conditional transformation, the replacement
     occurs only if the conditional expression (with '
     delimiters) evaluates to a nonzero value (true).

As with regular (unconditional) MATCHes, the output to level 1 is a
flag that indicates whether or not a replacement occurred.

I hope this helps.  BTW, you may find a copy of the new Owner's Manual
($24.95 from EduCALC, stock #2250) and/or a copy of the Programmer's
Reference Manual ($19.95 from EduCALC, stock #2289) to be a worthwhile
investment.

-Joseph K. Horn-   -Peripheral Vision, Ltd.-
akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com
Disclaimer: I don't work for HP, EduCALC, or anybody else.
From: akcs.alistairl@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Alistair S Lang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Built-in MENU grobs - accessible?
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:40:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2afea9c4.2101.1comp.sys.hp48.1

When you really run low on RAM and are paging through the softkey menus,
they are slowly put on the screen one by one ie 21 x 8 GROBS, not a 131 x
8 GROB but I think it would be more likely for them to be created at the
time of execution rather than stored as RAM-hungry GROBS.

There is a SYSEVAL that recalls the current softkey menu as a 131 x 8
GROB but don't have it's number with me.

[There has been much information passed around about SYSEVALS but does
anyone know anything about ELSYSEVALS I passed by one in the EQN. LIB
Card?]
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: How to Post to comp.sources.hp48
Message-ID: <2af9c258.2081.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

The moderator of comp.sources.hp48 is Chris Spell (spell@seq.uncwil.edu).
 He is friendly, helpful, and lately, very busy.  The istructions for
posting to comp.sys.hp48 are found at seq.uncwil.edu.  They say to send
postings to hp48@seq.uncwil.edu.  Chris would appreciate it if they were
formatted like the other comp.sources.hp48 postings.

I just inquired to Chris, myself, about something I sent him for posting.
He has been very busy and said he would try to get to his backlog this
weekend.  If your not sure if Chris received your posting, mail him and
I'm sure he'll help you arrange a method to get it to him.  I ftp'ed my
posting to seq.uncwil.edu in the hp48/Uploads directory and mailed him to
let him know it was there.  I think he'll take postings any way he can
get them.

I hope this helps!

Bill Levenson

P.S.  Thanks, Chris, for all your efforts!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fokp@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Ben Fok the "lemming")
Subject: plt3d question
Keywords: plt3d question
Reply-To: fokp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:23:47 GMT

I had downloaded the program plt3d and it is an increditable program. But one thing I have problem with is that when I plot tri function function such as
sin(x)+cos(y), the graph doesn't seen right.  It looks like a flat surface.  Then I realize the radian flag has been changing by the program whenever I runs it.  Is anyone out there that has the same problem? 
Thanks.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ITB675NURSER@qut.EDU.AU (ITB675NURSER@qut.edu.au, Unix to Unix copy program...You will never find the more wretched hide of scum and villany...we must be cautious.)
Subject: USER-RPL SingleD
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:52:00 GMT

\<< INTRO 1 CF ST1 sCHIP
IF 1 FC? THEN DIE 
ELSE
BOMB sCHIP END
\>>

For those who wanted a little program to run Single Dragon with all
features...there is is.
Notice, the flags are used as a way of passing info
between the schip program and the outside world.
(I haven't tested this...but I'm pretty sure it should work)

[Can the person who asked about QUT please repost to me...I can
sort of remember your message, but accidentally lost it...Thanx.]

If anyone is interested, we could perhaps draw up a wish list
for SD.  Which I can implement next month (got 4 exams next week ;()
Here is a start:
1) Energy Bar
2) Jumping capabilitys
3) A bit faster (not sure about this yet ;))

BOMBER
1) Rockets which shoot up
2) landscape which doesn't go too high/low
3) a landing pad
4) predicyable landscape (like ant)

caio for now.

David Nurser [Fish].
itb675nurser@redgum.qut.edu.au
From: hdev@dutiaj.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: reset
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:45:53 GMT

jonhiga@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jonathan Tomohiko Higa) writes:
>In article <BxFAot.1y6@iat.holonet.net> brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh) writes:
>&The hardware reset hole marked "R" is under one of the upper rubber feet,
>&depending on place of manufacture.
>Under one of the upper rubber feet?  Then, how may I remove them properly?

With a little force. You can compress the feet (in the length direction) just
a little bit so that you can pull it out. If you can't do it with your hands,
use a blunt object (e.g. the other side of a pair of scissors) to help you.
--
Hans de Vreught                          | John von Neumann:
hdev@dutiaa.tudelft.nl                   | Young man, in mathematics
Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
The Netherlands                          | you just get used to them.
From: akcs.mage@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (William H. Blohm)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:40:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Uncompressed RPLMAN document
Message-ID: <2af94b53.1742.4comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Jason,
Thanks for the reply.  I had read those pages in the manual.  I am in 
my 2d semester of Calculus.  So, I knew some of them would probably be
unsolvable, but was just puzzled as to why I seemed to have a 50-50
success-failure rate.  Re-reading the manual and your reply, I think I
know what I was doing wrong now and how to correct it.  I just tried
one that I had not been able to work and got it to go this time.  It
seems like I was not expanding enough.
On an aside, since I am deaf, I do not hear all the explanations given
in classes and do most of my learning from the book.  I have a question
that perhaps you could clarify/verify?  The manual says that 
(x^2-6)^3+(x^2-6)^2 is not integrable since x^2-6 is not linear.  Is
this non-linear because it's plot is not a straight line or is it because
it is missing a x^1, i.e. x^2-3x-6 would be considered linear?
Thanks,
        Bill B.
From: Jake-S@cup.portal.com (Jake G Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: An Alternate HP48 Manual Index
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:41:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world


               An Alternate Index to the HP48 Manuals

     Back on March 29th, toward the end of the second day of the HP
Users' Conference in Philadelphia, a discussion was raised regarding
the HP48 User Manual and its index.  Despite its large size (29 pages
and approximately two thousand entries), it was argued that still
many important topics had been omitted.  The first example mentioned
was the lack of an entry for the display radix mark, requiring one to
already know that command "FM," performs this function.  (In all
fairness to the original index, there indeed are entries "period as
fraction mark" and "comma as fraction mark".)  
     Having done a few annual indexes for the PPC Journal in the past,
I volunteered to compile a revised index for the original two-volume 
HP48 Manuals.  The goal was to develop the reference independently
from the original index.  As a result, the existing index was only
cross-checked after the new document was virtually complete.  In the 
first pass through the HP48 manuals, key subjects were compiled into 
a hand-written list in the order that they were encountered. The
second pass consisted of entering these subjects into a computer
editor in alphabetical order.  If any subject had more than one key
word, the entry was included multiple times as appropriate.  As a
result, major index sublists evolved such as "Commands", "Examples",
"Illustrations" and "Menus".
     In the original discussion back in March, it was suggested that 
a "good index" contains an average of at least two references from
each page of the source document. The HP48 manual's original index
actually surpasses this benchmark, with around two thousand entries
for the 821 pages of text.  The alternate index contains somewhere
between 3500 and 4000 entries.  It is hoped that HP48 users will find
it a useful resource for quickly accessing subject matter, perhaps
even moreso than Hewlett-Packard's own offering.  
     Recently, a revised single-volume manual has started appearing
in the HP48 boxes. At the Philly conference we were informed by 
Dennis York that this version has been updated from cover to cover,
with the significant addition of a complete menu tree in one of the
appendices.  Perhaps the alternate index should contain references to
both the one-book and two-book versions of the HP48 documentation. This
along with the possible incorporation of other useful HP48 reference
texts is being considered as a project for the future.  Any comments
or suggestions for this project are eagerly welcomed.

     Jake Schwartz                  Jake-S@cup.portal.com  
     135 Saxby Terrace                      or
     Cherry Hill, NJ 08003         SIM9@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM
     USA

     609-751-1310 home
     609-866-6682 work



           (The index follows this posting in 4 parts.)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: HCLIMER@UTCVM.BITNET (Harold Climer)
Subject: Feedback & Control
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:37:05 GMT

         Since I am taking a Control Systems course this semester,I was
wondering if anyone has developed any programs & utilities in this area of
Engineering. I have used the Laplace Transform program and really like it.
       Something that would do block diagram algebra would really be helpful.
Both in the symbolic area or when the transfer functions are given explicitly.



                                                Harold Climer
                                                Physics Dept.
                                                U. Tennessee at Chattanooga
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Shoot your foot!
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:06:09 GMT


I recently found this on internet.  Enjoy.


                   How to shoot yourself in the foot:
                   Which language is right for you?

                                                                  
        Assembler:   You shoot yourself in the foot.

        Ada:   The Department of Defense shoots you in the foot after
        offering you a blindfold and a last cigarrette.

        BASIC (interpreted):   You shoot yourself in the foot with a     
        water pistol until your leg is waterlogged and rots off.

        BASIC (compiled):   You shoot yourself in the foot with a BB
        using a SCUD missile launcher.

        C++:   You create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them
        all in the foot.  Not knowing which feet are virtual, medical
        care is impossible.

        COBOL:   USE HANDGUN.COLT(45), AIM AT LEG.FOOT, THEN WITH
        ARM.HAND.FINGER ON HANDGUN.COLT(TRIGGER) PREFORM SQUEEZE, RETURN
        HANDGUN.COLT TO HIP.HOLSTER.

        cah:   After searching the manual until your foot falls asleep,
        you shoot the computer and switch to C.

        dBASE:   You buy a gun.  Bullets are only available from another
        company and are promised to work so you buy them.  Then you find
        out that the next version of the gun is the one that is scheduled
        to shoot bullets.

        Fortran:   You shoot yourself in each toe, interactively, until
        you run out of toes.  You shoot the sixth bullet anyway, since no
        exception-processing was anticipated.

        Modula-2:   You perform a shooting on what might currently be a
        foot with what might currently be a bullet shot by what might
        currently be a gun.

        Pascal:   Same as Modula-2, except the bullet is not of the right
        type for the gun and your hand is blown off.

        PL/1:   After consuming all system resources, including bullets,
        the data processing department doubles its size, acquires two new
        mainframes, and drops the original on your foot.

        Smalltalk, Actor, etc:   After playing with the graphics for
        three weeks, the programming manager shoots you in the head.

        Snobol:   Grab your foot with your hand and rewrite your hand to
        be a bullet.


Anyone care to add the HP48 RPL version??

-- 
Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
                          -- Microware
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Sin Wave Sums & Products
From: Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant)
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:45:22 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Hello All,
         I am trying to plot a sin wave sum on my calculator, I have 
two frequencies 1209, 657, I know that the resultant frequency is the 
average, but I want to see what the wave form will look like, the amplitude 
is arbitary and the speed is that of sound - 330 m/s. If you can help 
then cool -

      Alistair Grant
From: enag@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: sasm.opc, compile syseval
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:00:46 GMT

Lars Andreas Gundersen <larsg@ifi.uio.no> writes:
|
|   In article <lg56o0INNiih@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> doolin@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu
|   (David Doolin) writes:
|
|      rplcomp (hp\tools\) will not compile # 05BE9h SYSEVAL.  Why not?
|
|   Because SYSEVAL is a user-rpl command, and it's address is not known
|   by the compiler.  You can include this command yourself, calling it
|   xSYSEVAL, but I do not know the procedure to do this.  It's not enough
|   to add a line
|   #xSYSEVAL 1A52Eh *
|   (syntax right?), 1A52Eh being SYSEVAL's address, to entries.a.  I
|   would be glad if someone would describe the exact procedure to do
|   this!

Why would you want to do this in the first place?  SYSEVAL allows you to
access system RPL "words" by numeric address, the same that is
accomplished by the PTR meta-word in rplcomp.  Instead of pushing a hex
string (user binary integer) on the stack and calling SYSEVAL to run it,
just leave the five-nibble address in the run-stream.  PTR does that for
you, as in "PTR 5BE9".  You can also use the supported name of the word,
which is "ID>$".

I can't understand why people use these tools on the PC.  I never played
with system RPL until I acquired Detlef Mueller's RPL and <-LIB->, and
now I write far more programs in sysRPL than in user RPL, and create my
own utility libraries.  In fact, with <-LIB->, it's so easy to add new
words to the HP48's vocabulary that I tend to move everything out of the
directories.  This utility has also made it so easy to make libraries
that programmers should definitely consider making a library, instead of
(only) writing a program.  Good job, Detlef!

Best regards,
</Erik>
--
Erik Naggum             :  ISO  8879 SGML     :      +47 295 0313
                        :  ISO 10744 HyTime   :
<erik@naggum.no>        :  ISO 10646 UCS      :      Memento, terrigena.
<enag@ifi.uio.no>       :  ISO  9899 C        :      Memento, vita brevis.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: msperise@iiic.ethz.ch (Marc Anton Sperisen)
Subject: star for mac
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:32:11 GMT

hi,

can anybody tell me, where i can find the star assembler for a mac computer?

thanx   marc
From: phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP48SX US Prices
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:37:29 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <charon.8@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> charon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (Mail Gateway) writes:
>I'm going to try to get it from the US. So far, the best price I've seen is 
>in New York (Was $250). I hear though that universities sell the 48SX cheap. 
>Is this true ?

I got mine $250 from J&R music world, New York (Mail Order) 
this time last year.

-- 
*----------*-------------------------------------------------------------*
| Sam   Jam|"Never underestimate the importance of a cheap laugh"-       |
| Liddicott| phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk  | I WAS IN IDAHO | Plucky Duck TTA |
*---------------It's a thing that makes me go hmmm...--------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: IBM -> HP-48SX...HELP!
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp48
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:48:11 GMT


I'm sure this has been covered, but I *did* read the FAQs and I
*did* try on my own...and I *did* read the applicable sections of
the manual, BUT I still don't understand!  For one thing, the info in
the manual pretty much has me overwhelmed, and it'd be nice to have
some simple how-to instructions to follow to give me a little experience!

Ok, so much for the flame retardation...now on to what I need to know!

I have a new HP-48SX w/serial adapter kit, 32k RAM card, and the Equation
Solver card.  I'm trying hard to figure out how to utilize stuff I downloaded
from (ftp'd) seq.uncwil.edu and from the HP BBS.  I have a file called
"movie" and "movie.doc" that sounds fun...it's supposed to be some kind of
an animation.  Listing the file on my PC, I see it's binary and starts with
"HPHP48...".  I figured out how to send it to the HP-48 by putting the
thing in server mode (right-shift I/O), then using the kermit software
that came with the serial kit, but it ended up in a variable called "movie"
which appears to be a string since it's contained in "" when you recall it
to the stack.  Question: I used BINARY mode, i.e. I/O setup => set to binary,
but it still ended up as a string.  Even if it didn't, what the heck do I
do with the thing?

How about programs that I've downloaded?  They look like they have different
sections of ASCII in them: uuencoded stuff and a couple of other sections.
I haven't a clue on what to do with them.  Can someone tell me the name of
an example program-containing file on the above mentioned ftp site, then 
give DETAILED instructions on how to get it from my PC into the HP-48SX,
and then into runable shape???  You can tell from my questions that I
don't know what I'm talking about...I've only made it through the first
5 chapters of the el-huge-o manual, and read sections of the other stuff
on transferring things and on libraries...

I'm aware of the ASC-> and ->ASC programs, and have d/l'ed them also, but
haven't tried getting them into the 48SX yet, since I was getting a little
worn out on the idea (for now...grin).

Brian D.
briand@cv.hp.com

^^^^^^ Yes, that's where they make'm!  How do you think I got a such a good
deal on the new 48SX system??


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: gunawan@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (iwan gunawan)
Subject: TRON, how do you play it?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:40:00 GMT

I just downloaded TRON from Horn7 yesterday.  I tried it for a while and it
looked very interesting.  But I couldn't figure out what we are supossed
to do in this game, and I didn't find TRON.DOC.  Can somebody please give
me some clue? Thank's for any information.

-- iwan gunawan
   gunawan@envmsa.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: 8910167@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA (Kegan Kawano\, NAME \, )
Subject: joining
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:12:39 GMT

Greetings.

How would I go about joining your user group.  I received this address in a
roundabout way and without subscription instructions.

[sic] ?

Kegan