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From: andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP)
Subject: Hunters & Collectors new video - We the people
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:31:08 GMT

	This weekend (29-30/8) Hunters & Collectors filmed the video for their
new single - We the people. They did this in Collingwood Town Hall, Melb. 
Australia. The video involves a crowd dancing, so that was where I fitted in.

	First the bad news. The new H&C single is pretty ordinary. Believe
me. I've heard it about 20 times over the last 2 days. It starts off with
Barry doing his noise guitar bit, a la Head Above Water, and goes down hill
from there. (The start is pretty reasonable.) Barry picks it up a bit in the
middle, but then thats probably not going to be on record. The guitar coming
from the monitor speakers was the recording of the song. Barry put in extra 
guitar bits here and there - really picks up the song.

	Now the good news. The video should be pretty funny. (At least if
the story is portrayed the way the director tells it). I won't tell the
story, but lets say it involves a string quartet, about 50 elderly 
citizens in dinner suits and such. Will be interesting.

	H&C played an hour long show after the Saturday filming. The
show was pretty laid back, and went into a requests type concert by the end.
Mostly new and "popular" stuff, but they did play Dog. The concert
was caught on film, so I guess some scenes in the video will be cut out
of this. On the Sunday they only played two other songs, and We the people
maybe 9 times.

	The best bit. Having seen how approachable Mark seymour was on Saturday
I brought along my digipak of Head above water. (The digipak has a panel
for each band member, featuring their photo). I now have a personalised
fully autographed copy of Head above Water:-). Anyone want to pay me $200 :-)
Hey it cost me $8 for 2 songs - 9 mins of music :-(.
	My problem - the texta is a white board marker, which rubs off the
on the plasctic coated cardboard cover. Any ideas on how to preserve it?
At the moment its just sitting (open) on a bench drying. My best guess would be
to just let it sit and dry on the bench for a couple of weeks -> 2 months.
White boards are tough to clean after a while.....

Comments Welcome
Andrew	andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: AUSSIE TOP FORTY COUNTDOWNS
Date: 30 Aug 92 09:28:57 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:


>In article <a873be2e@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au>, adrian.mathew@f804.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Adrian Mathew) writes:
>|> Hi', to all readers of AUS MUSIC.  How are you?   For some time I've been
>|> listening to the  Top Forty  countdowns  which are producd locally.   Can
>|> anyone explain to me why there are three countdown shows on Aussie
>|> commercial radio.  There's "TAKE FORTY AUSTRALIA" with Barrie  Bissel, "THE
>|> ROCK FORTY COUNTDOWN" with Mike Hammond and "THE BEAT" with NICK Bennit. 
>|> All of these shows have virtually the same chart.  Could it be that the
>|> radio stations simply want ratings or are they serious about promoting good

These programmes, as far as I know, are on the "shit" stations, like FOX
and MMM. Shit to me. They rotate songs so heavily, and they play hardly
any interesting music. They stick to a formula of Jimmy Barnes and John
Farnham. They avoid promoting struggling or less-known (but excellent)
bands like Severed Heads, Third Eye, etc. As far as I'm concerned, these
stations are money-making concerns, not interested at all in the quality
of the music that they play.


>As far as commercial charts go - the one which is most likely to reflect true
>popularity (sales) is the ARIA chart which you'll find in most music magazines.

I wonder how these charts are compiled. There was an almighty controversy about
the methods of compiling the charts in the UK when Deeelite failed to reach
#1 with Groove is in the Heart. Evidently it was impossible to count each
copy of every release sold, so the method estimates the number sold by placing
counting machines in selected music outlets. What is done in Australia?

Paul

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From: dougcc@brt.deakin.edu.au (Douglas Miller)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: The Cure concert
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:00:12 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: C&CS, Deakin University

In an e-mail  message to me, s3022352@hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au (Storm) says:

Would have replied to your msg publicly, but I don't seem to have access to
do so :-(. Anyway..

"Like the third and final encore for example.  First they play The
Figurehead and A Strange Day"
Lucky bastard! "Pornography" is to my mind the finest album the Cure have
recorded, and at the concert I went to (the first Sydney one), they only
played one song off it, A Strange Day. I'm jealous now. <grr> :-)

And they played not a single track off The Top!

Sounds like they did a similar version of A Forest at your concert as
mine.. amazing stuff, eh? High point of the show for me (along with Cut.. I
was dancing so hard to that I nearly tripped over the seat in front of me..
that would have been a bit messy..) :-)
						Cheers, Dave..
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: a.norrish@janus.trl.oz.au
Subject: Chart frenzy a-go-go
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:37:55 GMT

Top 40 charts. Doncha just love 'em. Tired of the conventional charts posted
here? Disappointed by the pathetic 'comedy' chart of a couple of months ago?
Lawrence Hudson (3RRR Melbourne) compiles a chart each fortnight of
Alternative/Independent/Underground (please, no definition wars) music drawn
from Australian, UK and USA Alternative/etc. charts. Here is his Mid-year 40
(reproduced without permission), and no, I don't know his formula for placings.

40.	The Beautiful South	- Bell bottomed tear
39.	Splinter - Strange parade
38.	Altern-8 - Activ-8
37.	Suede - The drowners
36.	EMF	- Getting through
35.	Senseless Things - Hold it down
34.	The Jesus and Mary Chain - Reverence
33.	Human Resource - Dominator
32.	The Welcome Mat - Landspeed
31.	L7 - Pretend we're dead
30.	Clouds - Anthem
29.	Saint Ettienne - Join our club
28.	Inspiral Carpets - Dragging me down
27.	Bassheads - Back to the old school
26.	The Beautiful South - Old red eyes is back
25.	Tumbleweed - Carousel
24.	The Sugarcubes - Hit
23.	Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Under the bridge
22.	Def FX - Sex Game Sucker
21.	Lush - For love
20.	Nirvana - Smells like teen spirit
19.	Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine - The only living boy in New Cross
18.	Def FX - Surfers of the mind
17.	James - Born of frustration
16.	The Sisters of Mercy - Temple of love (Touched by the hand of Ofra Haza)
15.	Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Straight to you
14.	Hard-ons/Celibate Rifles - Where the wild things are
13.	The Cure - High
12.	Utah Saints - Something Good
11.	Madness - It must be love
10.	The Wonderstuff - Welcome to the cheap seats
9.	The Cure - Friday I'm in love
8.	Altern-8 - Evapor-8
7.	The KLF - America: What time is love
6.	Primal Scream - Movin on up
5.	Nirvana - Come as you are
4.	Ride - Leave them all behind
3.	The Beasts of Bourbon - Just right
2.	The KLF - Justified and ancient
1.	Frente - Ordinary angels

Andrew Norrish

'Where is Beatles band?'
From: teh@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Richie L C TEH)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: CD's for Sale!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:45:04 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Originator: teh@latcs2.lat.oz.au

Hi Everyone, here is the list of CD's I'm selling:

New release:

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN "LUCKY TOWN"	$12
GENESIS "WE CAN'T DANCE"        $15

Progressive Rock:

EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER  "WORKS VOL 1"   $18  
EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER  "TRILOGY"  $11  

Postage & packaging:  $1.50 for 1 disc
		      $3.00 for 2 or more disc

	send mail to teh@latcs1.lat.oz.au



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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: mvc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Min Vui Chan)
Subject: Re: CHART: Top 10 singles -> Australia.
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:27:38 GMT

10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY) writes:
: 
: This may be your opinion of the music, but nevertheless why should it be 
: totally ignored by radio, eh? I am shocked to hear that not even Take-40 
: Australia and the Rock 40 Countdown won't even play more than 15 seconds
: of it. After all, it IS a number 1 song, and I quite like it myself.
: 
: Andrew
: 
: dox@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
: andrew.dockery@eng.monash.edu.au

I agree. I thought that the ROCK 40 COUNTDOWN's policy was to play the
top 40 singles in the country, and not to ignore a song just because of
someone's opinion that it shoundn't be played on that programme. Anyway,
the VIDEO HITS countdown plays the complete AMIGOS PARA SIEMPRE video as
it's No 1. (I don't know about other music video programmes)

I also agree totally that individual RADIO STATIONS can and should
make their programming policies based on what they think their listeners
like, and not just because it's a top 40 song.

M.V.Chan
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Song title and Artist of a song.
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 03:45:18 GMT

marks@iris.mincom.oz.au (Mark Stavar) writes:

>Stephen Quan (quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au) wrote:
>: I just heard a song on the radio this morning and I was interested in it.
>: All I can remember is part of the melody so if you can tell me what the
>: song title or its artist, I will appreciate it very much!
>: 
>: It goes something like this ...
>: 
>:   "... when you leave, could you please take my heart too?..."
>: 
>This sounds like the song by Mr. Big.  

The name of the song is "Just take my heart when you go".  would this be the 
lyric you remember?  Mr. Big is a very inoffensive light rock band with a 
male lead singer.  Main feature is good strong harmony singing in places.  
This group had a big hit with "Be with you" earlier this year.

matt

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP)
Subject: Re: The Chills, The Cure
Summary: Cure Concert = brilliant
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:18:57 GMT

In article <9224116.21106@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford) writes:
 [loads deleted]
 
> On now to something different - did anyone see the Cure, and were they
> worth seeing? I haven't really heard anything from them lately that
> would make me want to dish out loads of money to go see them, so I
> stayed at home... Comments anyone?

	I went on the Monday night in Melbourne. The Cure came on stage about
8.30, and played mostly newish stuff for their main set. Yeah, I thought, 
good lighting, staging etc thought I. The last song on the main set went down
pretty poorly, and off they went an hour and three quarters later.
	5 minutes later the Cure get back on stage, (That was the longest
wait for an encore I have ever experienced), and start playing earlier stuff.
4 songs later, they head off stage. No house ligths go on. Good, think I. 
5 minutes later the Cure come back on stage. More earlier stuff. Hmm, 
this is _really_ good think I. 4 sonmgs later, they go off stage.
I'm ready to go home - 5 minutes have alapsed since the Cure left stage, but
there still weren't any houselights. On they come again. Huge. 3 encores.
Finally understand something that Robert Smith says ("This is our last
set - I'm going to fall over if we play anymore"). Final song - The Forest -
incredible. Wow. If I remember one thing about the concert it will be that song.
I can't believe how well that was done. As the band left stage I understand 
my second Robert Smith utterance for the night. ("You've been by a 100
times the best audience we have had in Australia"). 

	I went to the concert for a sceptical look and came out a fan. I guess
you can't ask for much more then that.

Andrew
P.S. Did they do 3 encores as standard on the Oz tour?
From: skershaw@alsvid.une.edu.au (Shane Kershaw )
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Tommy and Who Cover band
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:10:32 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

Just a quick question, how many of you would be willing or know people who
would be willing to see a stage version of Tommy and/or a band that could
play Who material from any album on request? I'm trying to gauge market
response to the concept before approaching prospective backers. So, what
does the collective net-consciousness reckon, hmm?

Thanks,

Shane.
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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste (wasRe: Sampled "Art" (was Re: MMM)
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:18:58 GMT
Distribution: aus
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

richard@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Stop That Pigeon!!!) writes:
: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
: 
: >'cut + paste' music started with sampling technology (right?)
: 
: Wrong.
: 
: People have been doing this (at least) since tape-recorders have been
: available. I've heard stuff from the early sixties, but I'm sure that's
: not even close to the start of it.
: 
: The problem with a lot of the stuff that's been discussed here is, in 
: my view, that the technology is being used in ``Casio Home Keyboard'' mode.
: Nobody that you'll hear on JJJ (*) or MMM uses any of the technology to
: anywhere near its full potential (**).

wouldn't care to list a few casio hits would you?

lets assume for a minute you can, why is that a bad thing?
I s'pose you don't like people using old guitars or pianos or drums
either.

: 
: Instead, they turn it on, dial up a rhythm track (or steal someone else's),
: sequence it, don't bother with a melody and let it run for a couple of years.
: Oh and when it gets *really* boring, throw in a filter sweep.

Gee this sounds pretty radically different to the formulas used
by Johny Farnam, or U2, or Dire Straights or alot of other bands;
and I guess concivably all music from motzart to Public Enemy.

: 
: If you want to hear the technique - waste some money on the junk remixes on
: the Severed Heads Twister CD. The original version stands out like a pearl
: in an unemptied chamberpot.
: 
: richard
: 
: (*) Possible exceptions: Severed Heads, Scattered Order.
: (**) Where do I get off making statements like this? I've been using
:      samplers for years. I own an Ensoniq EPS16+ and learned to sample
:      way-back-when on a Fairlight Series II. I KNOW how these things can
:      be made to sing.

Ever acured to you that all musicians think they can
make there choosen instruments sing - and look lowly
on its sound in songs they don't like!

Is this so very different to the arguing about guitar playing(say).
eg Jimi is great, Eric is shit!
bad example - since its true.


: -- 
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: Telephone: (07) 875 5537

Can I give you the benefit of some doubt and say that
you are trying to say you like the way some people use 
sampling and sequencers and not some others!


	Doesnt seem a startling revilation!

					Colin
From: s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Matt Fenton)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Cure make you wait too long?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:53:59 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP) writes:

>	5 minutes later the Cure get back on stage, (That was the longest
>wait for an encore I have ever experienced), and start playing earlier stuff.

Well, I saw them on tuesday night in Melbourne and was completely impressed.
The light show was one of the most creative and artistic I have ever seen,
the drum sound was superb, and they played 3 encores.

But one thing bothered me - they seemed to wait for ages during the encores.
Andrew says 5 minutes - It could have been 10 minutes when I saw them.
We cheered, clapped and stomped our feet so much, that we were buggered by
the time they came back on.

One more thing, anyone who saw them on tuesday night agree that "Under the
deep green sea" was the the best song of the night? I was blown away.

Matt Fenton.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford)
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:40:57 GMT

pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>It's a damn *sight* different. The main problem in sequenced music not so
>much the timing, obviously. The problems are sound quality, parts working
>together, etc. You often work with *many* more virtual instruments than
>you do when you use just 5 or so players. The variables are different,
>and often more than there are in standard rock format.

One idea I had last year, which sounded sort of cute (to me), would be
to get a speech recognition system to generate some samples, by
feeding it interesting speeches, or whatever, and letting it do a
semantic analysis of what is being said. You then feed these samples
into you synth, and "play" them using the keyboard, or better yet,
just let the computer auto-accompany some other music, picking
"appropriate" samples to play at appropriate times. Of course, this
cute idea only requires a "true AI" to be able to do an adequate
semantic analysis of both the speech and the music its going to be
adding to, but I'm sure someone from mullian could come up with the
answer, given a week or two :-)

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments on sequenced music (check
out my .sig), and the problems that exist. Its also amazing just fast
the limits are being pushed by *some* people.

jon

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Nu-Music and unsigned bands
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:55:11 GMT

neilex@brt.deakin.edu.au writes:
>   Andy Newman basically says that bands should get everything
>   together, then find a studio and record for themselves.

True but I should point out that I do appreciate what Nu-Music could
do and has done. Hell, I went to Melbourne with a band (I play bass)
that got the shows (including the PoW on a Friday) pretty much on the
basis of their track on one of the Nu-Music samplers. Another result
of the sampler track was a Sunday Sessions on JJJ. So its not all bad.
I just think bands should do as much for themselves as possible
because there's not too many people in the music business who are
caring about anybody but themselves.

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: mrgreen@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green)
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:35:09 GMT


re Carl..

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:

>So jump thee not to conclusions about closed minds ... if I set my
>drum machine, sampler and synth up properly, I bet I can sound 
>*just* like every "masterpiece" of originality on JJJ..  

*every* eh??    so your synth does AMAZING guitar work eh??  Oh, 
thats right, JJJ doesn't play *anything* AMAZING does it..  
not that I ever listen to the radio, but JJJ is the *only*
station I can stand to listen to..   

I suppose that all the crappy stuff they play on MMM and FOX isn't
even *touched* by an electronic device (except to record the 
*truly live* sound of course) ..  


bleah..
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Southern Sons CD
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:25:57 GMT

u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!) writes:

>s882413@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Glen Robert Seymon) writes:
>> Does anyone know when Southern Sons new CD is supposed to be in the
>>stored. I've asked at Brashs etc and the reps supposedly don't know
>>when it is being released.
>	Sounds like a conspiracy to me Glen...anyone else know of music
>stores *deliberately* stomping on wondrous John Farnham soundalikes?
>PS: Listen to some Ride, for God's sake.

*grin* I hate Farnham and the Sons, Glen... IMHO you're not missing out on
too much... Seriously, listen to Jesus Jones and Chapterhouse for some
interesting guitar music...
Paul

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Female voices are the best!!!
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:44:33 GMT

[on female singers]

Nobody mentioned Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan or Billie Holiday.

Someone did mention Kate Bush, though. :-)

                        Brent.

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: WANTED: skinny jewel cases
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 00:55:39 GMT


Anyone have an idea where I can get hold of large quantities of the
skinny CD jewel cases? (a-la import EPs & some Australian EP cases)

ta,

brian
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From: tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: CLOUDS Drummer ?
Summary: true true
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:37:17 GMT

In article <BttJyC.A8z@alsvid.une.edu.au>, geoff@alsvid.une.edu.au (Geoff Hill) writes:
> I've heard a rumour that Andrew Byrne, one time drummmer with _THE MOFFS_ has
> taken Stuart Eadies place in CLOUDS.
> Can anyone confirm or otherwise this rumour ?

I'll try:
This rumour is true (as far as I know from listening to JJJ on the weekend).
The guy who used to drum with CLOUDS (Stuart Eadies) is now drumming with
DIED PRETTY. That leaves only the two ladies as original CLOUDS now.

Tim
tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music