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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:49:45 GMT

In article <Bz68GD.5yA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(rob lawrence dorocke) writes:
> In article <Bz64op.Fow@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J.
Haag) writes:
> >rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:
> >
> >>The Rite of Spring would be great!!  I love that piece.  If it were played
> >>both Phantom and Star's shows would be hated equally.  When a corps plays
> >> a piece that is extremely compicated, or has little meldoy (i.e. Star
1991,
> >						      ^^^^^^
> >I think (and I'm NOT interested in a flame war) that saying that Star's 1991
> >show lacked melody is way off base.  It wasn't a crowd pleaser because it
was
> >a little out of the mainstream, and didn't contain enough "drum corps"
moments
> >(someone else's phrase, not mine).
> 
> When I made the comment about the lack of meldoy, I was really refering to 
> the Cadets 1991 opener, Short Ride in a Fast Car.  When I commented on
> complexity, I was refering to Star, and for that matter the Cadets.
> 
> There were definitely distinct melodies in Star's 1991 show.  Maybe I should
> have worded it differently.  Sorry.
> 
> 
> Rob Dorocke
> (rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)
> 
> 
> >
Ah! But there is a melody in "Short Ride in a Fast Machine"  I have read many
interviews with John Adams, the composer of the piece, and have several of his
CDs.  Anyway, I once read that he describes himself as "a minimalist bored with
minimalism."  He also talked about SRiaFM and said that the woodblock could be
considered an abscure melody of the piece since it is the only consistent thing
in the whole song.  It just bangs out quarter notes throught the most of the
piece.  If you get a chance to listen to an original recording of this piece, I
suggest you do it.  I know it is on the CD entitled "The Chairman Dances"
because that's the one I have and it's great.

Later,
Andy Combites
Cavaliers '92-'94
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Publicity letter to Prodigy
Date: 19 Dec 1992 14:58:22 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <1992Dec18.211309.21463@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
;>
;>
;>Mike,
;>
;>Nice letter you are sending to DCI about the needed DCI publicity.
;>
;>Why don't you also post that on prodigy...maybe when Bill Cook (or
;>someone else) reads it he'll help out!
;>
;>Tom
;>---

That is an excellent idea but I don't have Prodigy access.  Would someone
who has Prodigy access be willing to contact me about sending it there?
If I can find someone who is able, I will certainly do that.

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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: It's too Big!!!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:12:51 EDT
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Man, I can't read r.a.m.misc, there's just too much traffic!

Niel

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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:34:51 EDT
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In article <77525@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> (rec.arts.marching.drumcorps), rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham) writes:
>A lot of discussion has been kicked around about corps playing the same tunes 
>over and over.. Try this on - what corps played the same tune the same year ?
>1988   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Old Black Magic
>1989   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Johny One Note
>1990   Bluecoats / Crossmen  -- Caravan
>
>Any others ??  

You want to see something embarrasing, how 'bout this.  In 1982, Spirit
of Atlanta played "You are My Sunshine", "Oh Happy Day", "Blue Rondo a 
la Turk", "You Are the Sunshine of My Life", and "We Are the Reason"
and almost played "Rainmaker."

In the same year, Suncoast Sound played "You Are My Sunshine" and "Rainmaker",
27th Lancers played "Blue Rondo", and Freelancers played "You Are the
Sunshine of My Life."

No one else had the (guts? stupidity?) to play "Oh Happy Day", and
no one else had heard of "We Are the Reason" until the next year,
when Spirit did it again, only much better.

Niel

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From: C_S01798@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Patrick Todd Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Material Rewards, OOPS, reclarification! (FLAMES)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 04:02:14 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
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In <1992Dec10.153510.9303@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
> Oops, sorry Pat, that you got this poor impression of me. I agree completely
> with all you say, and you must see that, since I am still in Colts for my
> fifth, and final, year. If I wanted a ring so bad, I would be in Cadets, or
> Star, or someother such corps.
> 
> What I MEANT is that there is so much emphasis on top 12 that people feel they
> MUST march there to be worth anything.

First of all My impression of you is not tarnished at all, but however you must
also realize that there are some things i wanted to add.  I value my corps
experience no matter where i am, and i do not consider mathematics a part of
rating the worth of a season.  A season in Colts is a season in Colts.  A
season in "high ranking, popular corps" is simply that.  It all boils down to
how much pride you take in the product that you and the rest of your corps
attempt to sell over the course of a season.   If youre worried about your
experience not being enough on a resume' to secure a job, let me remind you
that in the long haul, more than a patch or ink on an application, your
ATTITUDE and POTENTIAL activate much more respect in the job market than
marching x numbers of years.  Drum Corps as an activity simply help foster
those two traits.

> and I liked Southwind's show just as
> much as VK's, BD's and Cadets.

i hope that comment was not expressly directed at me...
> 

> Perhaps DCI could work out a deal with the class ring people so that ageouts
> can BUY a ring with their years and corps on it. I suppose I could have one
> custom made, but it would probably be cheaper if group ordered, and we could
> have the DCI logo on it.

thats an idea there... perhaps you should write a letter to the Drum Corps
FOundation out of Indians (check the FAQ for the address or maybe "encyclopedia
Fath" will scrounge it up for us.  The Foundation keeps in touch with corps
alumni and can perhaps design logos for exsisting corps in conjunction with a
jewelers. or you could even do it as a fund raiser for Colts alumni in
cooperation with your local jewelers. 


> >                  *
> >                 **
> > Patrick Sloan  ***
> >        ***********       **
> >          *    ****  ************
> >           ****  **   **********
> >                  *    ********
> 

by the way, from the looks of things, CROWN has scrubbed "the ROCKETEER" as a
show and is potentially looking at Beethoven's 5th and 9th Sym.  The familiar
statements and technicality hold plenty of potentail, we'll just have to see.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:95 rec.arts.marching.misc:183 alt.drumcorps:2629 alt.colorguard:228
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.misc,alt.drumcorps,alt.colorguard
Subject: Re: WGI Postings
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:15:30 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <1g8t9eINNj5k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:
;>
;>When alt.drumcorps and alt.colorguard were being talked about in
;>terms of moving them up to rec status, it was said that this would increase the
;>readership of both groups.  Well, in case you haven't seen the newly created rec...
;>rec...misc dgroup (initially intended to take the place of
;>alt.colorguard), take a look.  Out of the 150=+ posts on there,
;>only about 7 of them are colorguard posts.  All the rest are College
;>band posts.  No offense to college bands, but I don't want to 
;>have to read through all of that to see my WGI postings.  Therefore,
;>after reading posts that complain about colorguard posts being 
;>basically lost in rec...misc, I would like to post all WGI relayted
;>info to rec...drumcorps.
;>
;>As it stands now, alt.colorguard has been almost completely lost as a group.
;>Instead of increasing the readership, by burying all th e posts
;>in rec...misc, we are driving would be readers away.
;>
;>Unless another group with the specific purpose of having WGI 
;>and other colorguards being discuseesed is formed, I would
;>like to move the discussions to here.  Any and all comments would
;>be greatly appreciated.  Epspecially from those that helped
;>to craetate this group (Phil and Miachael).
;>
;>Thanks for your time.
;>;
;>Baritone
;>Star in '93????????
;>Chris
;>-- 
;>Please send all mail to cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
;>
;>IRC nick-BlueDevil         FurryMuck name-WolfBlitzer

Chris,

	I agree with you completely.  I had no idea that there would be
such a huge volume of college marching band traffic on rec.arts.marching.
misc.  It's great to see the traffic, but it does seem that the WGI stuff
would just get lost in the shuffle.

	I think WGI has more in common with drumcorps than with college
bands, so I would have no qualms about putting WGI posts in ram.drumcorps.

	Personally, I think that until we sort this stuff out, the best
thing to do is cross post colorguard articles in alt.colorguard, ram.misc,
and ram.drumcorps.

	Similarly, drumcorps articles should be crossposted in
alt.drumcorps and r.a.m.drumcorps.

  
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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: WGI Postings
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:17:35 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1g8t9eINNj5k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:
> 
> When alt.drumcorps and alt.colorguard were being talked about in
> terms of moving them up to rec status, it was said that this would increase the
> readership of both groups.  Well, in case you haven't seen the newly created rec...
> rec...misc dgroup (initially intended to take the place ofalt
> alt.colorguard), take a look.  Out of the 150=+ posts on there,
> only about 7 of them are colorguard posts.  All the rest are College
> band posts.  No offense to college bands, but I don't want to 
> have to read through all of that to see my WGI postings.  Therefore,
> after reading posts that complain about colorguard posts being 
> basically lost in rec...misc, I would like to post all WGI relayted
> info to rec...drumcorps.
> 
Maybe the present traffic could allow for the formation of another newsgroup,
rec.arts.marching.college or something similar.  There does seem to be a
present identity problem with that group in that it has swung toward almost
exclusively to a college marching band environment.  If a college marching band
group was created, then people might not be as reluctant to post colorguard or
other news in rec.arts.marching.misc due to absence of the college marching 
band atmosphere.

							Charles Holt
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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Keywords: drumcorps tunes same
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:12:24 GMT

In article <77525@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham) writes:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
>A lot of discussion has been kicked around about corps playing the same tunes 
>over and over.. Try this on - what corps played the same tune the same year ?
>
>This may sound bad for the Coats, but they didn't do it on purpose and with
>the different arrangments most people didn't know it happened anyway.  The
>DCI directors discuss their tune choices in about Jan, and they do try to pick
>different tunes, but sometimes they would rather fight than switch..
>
>1988   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Old Black Magic
>1989   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Johny One Note
>1990   Bluecoats / Crossmen  -- Caravan
>
>Any others ??  


Yup.

1990 Cadets and Blue Knights  -   Sanctus and Agnus Dei from Leonard 
Bernstein's "Mass".


Rob Dorocke
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)


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From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:55:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Dec15.202648.6011@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
>Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:26:48 GMT
>pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) writes:
>
>>Oops - I was thinking of 1980.... Two-Seven and *Madison* played Blue Rondo
>>and Madison's version was basically a keyboard solo...  
>
>>It's terrible to have to follow up your own post..... :-)
>
>Oops again!  27th and Madison *did* play the same solo in 1980, but it
>was "New Country."  And I'm with you, 27th's feature was much better and
>gave us *IMnsHO* one of the bestest drum-to-drum features ever:

Yup..... some days just never *do* go quite right......

- Pete

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From: rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: SameO Tunes
Keywords: drumcorps tunes same
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:51:53 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
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A lot of discussion has been kicked around about corps playing the same tunes 
over and over.. Try this on - what corps played the same tune the same year ?

This may sound bad for the Coats, but they didn't do it on purpose and with
the different arrangments most people didn't know it happened anyway.  The
DCI directors discuss their tune choices in about Jan, and they do try to pick
different tunes, but sometimes they would rather fight than switch..

1988   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Old Black Magic
1989   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Johny One Note
1990   Bluecoats / Crossmen  -- Caravan

Any others ??  


  Richard.Lapham@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM           
     "Don't peak too early" all Corp directors.
         "All opinions are my own - unless I state otherwise"
From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 19 Dec 1992 07:45:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
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In a previous article, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) says:

>cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:
>
>
>>Things look pretty much the same as in 1986?!?!?!
>
>>I love the Devils, but there is no way a show like what the Devils performed in 
>>'86 would win again.  Actually, the Devils' '86 show is my favorite all-time
>>show.  But it is no where near as difficult as what is being done now,
>>and now hwere near as creative.  A lot has changed since '86.  A lot
>>had changed from '86 to '87.  That Garfield '86 show, if performed ecxactly
>>the same today, wouldn't have beaten the Crossmen this year, maybe ecven the
>>Blue Knights.  I too hope that the Regiment fall further this year (wouldn't
>>it be great to see VK pass them?).  From what I've seen and heard, they don't
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>  GOD FORBID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I wouldn't wish this on any corps!!   
>
>   FLAME SUIT ON!   Just think of it Phantom fans, losing to Godzilla,
>Energizer Bunny, and the Great White!   PPHHOOOO, just got a cold chill,
>almost ruined my holiday season!!
>

-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: In defense of Phantom Regiment
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:44:55 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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Originator: fath@mbcrr

Well, it seems that the Phantom Regiment has taken over the top stop on
the Net as the "most bashed" drumcorps.  I too have some things that I wish
Phantom would change.  If half the posts I've seen are true, they seem to
need a serious attitude adjustment.  On another front, I love classical 
music and I would love the see Phantom branch out and explore other exciting
classical works that would be great for drumcorps.

Examples I've heard mentioned include:
Rite of Spring - someone posted that they wouldn't like to hear that -- I
	disagree!  I think it would be an exciting and avant garde part of
	a show devoted to Stravinsky.  Include some of his Symphony #3
	"Classical", Petrouchka, and Firebird and you have a ton of excellent
	material to choose from.
Shostakovich - Symphony No. 4 or 5 or 10  - all great, none has been done
	(ever to my knowledge)
they have yet to do justice to Mahler or R. Strauss or Beethoven.  All
these composers have written wonderful music that could make great drumcorps.
I would love to see Phantom (or other corps as well) try their hand at these.

Now to the heart of this message:

Phantom has done some VERY NICE shows in the last five years and we should
be sure to give credit where due.  Two of my favorite shows by them were

1989 - New World - incredible musical performance!!  The 2nd movement, which
they played slightly jazzed, is one of my all time favorite pieces played by
a drumcorps.

1991 - Phantom Voices - despite the giant curtains, I found their show
featuring opera music to be wonderfully designed and performed.  This is 
their strength - to take undiscovered music - like the opera pieces - and
communicate them to the drumcorps audience.

	Phantom does have a lot of fans.  They came to east coast early during
the 1991 season and the fans in New England just loved them to no end!!  They
presented a well polished, well performed and exciting program in June when
most of the east coast corps were still adding drill to their programs.

	I haven't given up hope that Phantom will turn itself around and
put on a World Championship show one of these days.  I wish them all
the best.

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From: fullchb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Christian Fuller)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Keywords: drumcorps tunes same
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: The  World
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:36:39 GMT

In article <77525@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham) writes:
>A lot of discussion has been kicked around about corps playing the same tunes 
>over and over.. Try this on - what corps played the same tune the same year ?
>
>This may sound bad for the Coats, but they didn't do it on purpose and with
>the different arrangments most people didn't know it happened anyway.  The
>DCI directors discuss their tune choices in about Jan, and they do try to pick
>different tunes, but sometimes they would rather fight than switch..
>
>1988   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Old Black Magic
>1989   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Johny One Note
>1990   Bluecoats / Crossmen  -- Caravan
>
>Any others ??  
 
How about 1992  
       Troopers/Star  -- Flag of Stars

Christian                            "The Promised Land"


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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:48:25 GMT

rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:

>The Rite of Spring would be great!!  I love that piece.  If it were played
>both Phantom and Star's shows would be hated equally.  When a corps plays
> a piece that is extremely compicated, or has little meldoy (i.e. Star 1991,
						      ^^^^^^
I think (and I'm NOT interested in a flame war) that saying that Star's 1991
show lacked melody is way off base.  It wasn't a crowd pleaser because it was
a little out of the mainstream, and didn't contain enough "drum corps" moments
(someone else's phrase, not mine).

>Cadets 1991) it is looked upon poorly.  This is probably due to many fans
>not being big 20th century music fans.  I would love to see The Rite of
>Spring on the field, because I feel it would stretch drum corps to a new
>height and would piss off the fans even more.
		  ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^
Although I see your point, I don't necessarily think that this is a good thing.

>I hate it when the fans can't understand a piece, so they refuse to listen
>to it.  I think a main feature about drum corps is to heighten one's 
>awareness of different types of music.  I mean, how many people want to
>hear West Side Story played by another corps??  I love to hear things
>I would never have listened to in the first place instead of a piect 
>that a million corps have played.

>Only my opinion

And mine.

>Rob Dorocke
>(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)



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