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From: zebr360@ut-emx.uucp (Jerry Heyman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bill Torrey??
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:29:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.78043
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Aug18.231139.3226@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:
>Bill Torrey did not fully leave the Islander organization, he is still with
>them as a consultant.  But in the recent past, he has made foolish mistakes
>that brought the once so almighty Isles to the team fighting for 4th in the
>division...  He was reluctant to change, and reluctant to appreciate the 
>talent he had.

For someone who was reluctant change, what was trading LaFontaine and Sutter?
Sutter had seen his better days, and the players he received for them produced
much more for the Islanders than Sutter ever did.

>  LaFontaine is a superstar in his own right, but the Isles
>management at the time did not recognize this.

The Islander management certainly recognized LaFontaine as a super-star. A
spoiled, pampered, self-centered superstar who disrupted the team for two
years.  He may have been a teeny bopper favorite, but the true Islander fans
were fed up with him and his actions.  Turgeon produced as much as LaFontaine
would have AND certainly was a positive influence upon the team.  Hogue and
Krup, along with Turgeon far surpassed what LaFontaine could have done
and certainly make a nucleus for a far better team.

>                       let alone Trottier two years ago.  That was the biggest
>thorn in the side of the Islander management - Trottier's departure.

What would Trottier have been able to contribute to the team over the past two
years?  He certainly was no longer a full game player.  Please explain the
comment regarding the 'thorn in the side of Islander management'

>We have Maloney as GM (once a Ranger, will he trade with the Rangers?  Nah...)
>and Trotts will definately do something to help fill those seats.  Once Bossy
>retires, Trotts left for Pittsburgh, you have to admit the seats were starting
>to get empty.  Why?  The fans felt cheated.

Fans didn't show up because people don't usually support teams that don't win
and charge very high ticket prices.  Keeping Trottier (and his salary) wouldn't
have put more people in the seats, and may have contributed to higher ticket
prices.

>    ____
>     / o n y.

jerry
-- 
Jerry Heyman                  by day: IBM PSP, AIX Development
zebr360@emx.utexas.edu        by nite: Adjunct Lecturer at St. Edward's Univ.

*All comments are my own and should not be construed to represent any one else
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From: heartlab@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Heartlab People)
Subject: Toronto Maple Leaf
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:27:49 GMT

Could someone please E-Mail me the 1992/1993 Toronto Maple Leaf
schedule.



 
Thanks

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Joey Mullen news?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:37:17 GMT

In article <AeYDbQK00iUyE1cUZW@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Also, I heard a rumor that the San Jose Sharks are courting Phil Bourque.
>
>Any word on this?

I have heard no rumor regarding the Sharks having interest in Bourque.  I
personally don't want to see Bourque in a Shark uniform, particularly if he
requires compensation.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: NHL Drug Suspensions (WAS: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article))
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:30:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.210505.16432@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
>In <BsxK58.68E.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>>Has the NHL ever suspended a player for drug abuse?  I'm talking any kind
>>of suspension, not just a few week suspension.
>
>Don Murdoch of the rangers was the first I remember (late 70's?) and I
>believe it was 40 games (half a season) for a little marijuana.

Actually, Murder was suspended for a full season for cocaine
possession.  He was reinstated after 40 games, however.

In addition, I recall Borje Salming being called into the President's
office to discuss the use of marijuana at a party two or three years
previous.  I don't recall if he was suspended or not.....

-JPC

-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
John P. Curcio                  Go Bruins!                 Philips Laboratories
jpc@philabs.philips.com                                    345 Scarborough Road
(914) 945-6442                                       Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Coaching
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:34:14 GMT

In article <17AUG199216252182@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG) writes:
>and then where will they be?  They keep trading future prospects and 
>young players for an over-the-hill gang.  I had to laugh when the 
>local sportstalk show on radio picked the Kings to come out of their 
>division during the Cup.  I called him and asked if he knew anything 
>about the Mighty Quinn and the Canucks; now he listens to me.
>

Don't underestimate the Kings chances in the Smythe this year...there
are going to be five pretty equal teams again...Blake and Sandstrom
will be healthy, it will be difficult for Kurri to play as poorly
again, Coffey will open up a lot of ice that disappeared when
Duschene was traded, and Robert Lang looked pretty good at the
Olympics, and one has to figure that Gretzky is getting pretty
pissed that Lemieux is considered the best player in the world.

Meanwhile, Vancouver has no sure thing as a replacement for
Larionov, Edmonton is still rebuilding, and could have another
large turnover with all their still unsigned free agents, Calgary
is rebuilding, and this is an even year for Winnipeg.  Its not
like they are in the Norris Division with two sure things in
Chicago and Detroit, or a hellish division like the Patrick Division.
The situation in the Smythe is that any one of five teams could be
awesome, but then again, they might not.

Gerald
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From: bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Subject: NHL HOCKEY NEWS FOR 8-17-92
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:02:28 GMT
Keywords: notes, Islanders


NHL HOCKEY NEWS FOR 8-17-92

SALE:

The New York ISLANDERS broke up the front office that had run the team for
all of its NHL 20 years, as the new ownership swept out GM Bill Torrey.
Torrey's power of Chairman of the Board was assumed by the new onwers, who
completed their purchase of control from majority owner John Pickett.
Jerome Grossman will serve as president and chief operating officer and 
former ISLANDER Bryan Trottier will serve as assistant to Grossman.  Torrey
was replaced by former player Don Maloney as GM, who was assistant to Torrey
last season.

Charles Dolan, chairman of Cablevision, the cable TV system that has shown
ISLANDER games since 1974, is negotiating to buy the remainder of Pickett's
shares in the ISLANDERS.

New GM Don Maloney said that last year's coach Al Arbour would remain as
coach for the 1992-93 season.



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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: schedules, nhl.c
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:44:52 GMT
Organization: UB

First, let me start off by saying that the game on the 12th between
Philadelphia and the Rangers is real.  :-)

Next, I won't be working on nhl.c between Monday and Wednesday next
week, as the unix system here is going down.  I also don't plan to
work on it this weekend.

Finally, I had a few errors in yesterday's posting of have/have not.
I have the following:
Boston(home), Buffalo, Calgary, Chicago(home), Edmonton, Los Angeles,
New Jersey, NY Rangers, Ottawa, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Saint
Louis(home), San Jose, Tampa Bay, Toronto, Vancouver, Washington.

I was told Hartford was in the mail, heading to my house.  

Which means I need:
Boston(road), Chicago(road), Detroit, Minnesota, Montreal, NY
Islanders, Quebec, St. Louis(road), Winnipeg.

I'm going to concentrate on inputting schedules today, though, as soon
as I take care of work. Wish me luck and no errors.

Thanks again to everyone who sent a schedule or spent time tracking
one down, be it part or whole.  


-- 
Valerie Hammerl               	Underemployed technical writer seeks
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu        job in North America.  Willing to 
v085pwpz@ubvms.bitnet           relocate.  Can begin any time.
These accounts expire August 24th 1992, or thereabouts.
From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: LA Kings trade rumors
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:25:08 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none

Well it must be getting close to time for training camp, because trade
rumors are finally starting to circulate here in LALA land.

Rumor of the week:  Puppa from Buffalo for ???

Sounds a little more reasonable than Burke & a defenseman from N.J. for
Sandstrom.  I'll see if I can get the '???' replaced with a player name
or draft choice #.

Stan Willis
net contact: L.A. Kings


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From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: American Hockey Association Info
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:33:19 GMT

Here is the information I promised about the new American Hockey 
Association (AHA).

American Hockey Association (AHA) Information
---------------------------------------------

[last modified 08/22/92]

The American Hockey Association is a new minor hockey league that is scheduled
to begin play in November of 1992.  League officials include Gordon Stenback,
chairman of the board, Charlie Hodgins and Pat O'Halloran.  Stenback was the
chairman of the board of the NAHL, Hodgins was the chairman of the board of
the CHA, and O'Halloran was the treasurer.  The NAHL and CHA are two leagues
that folded without ever dropping a puck.

The league will play a 64-game schedule with 6 teams:  Saskatoon SK, St. Paul
MN, Hibbing MN, Fargo-Moorhead ND, Bismarck ND and either Regina SK or Green
Bay WI.

The salary structure will be close to $250,000 per team, which is intended to
situate the AHA above the ECHL, Colonial Hockey League and the Central Hockey
League, but below the AHL and IHL.  Players will earn about $2000 per month.
The league will own up to a 50 percent interest in each franchise.

Players are expected to come from Canada's major junior leagues, Canadian and
American colleges, and Europe, as well as free-agent professional hockey
players.  A dispersal draft is slated for mid-September.  

Here is some more detailed information on each of the franchises:

----------
St Paul, MN: 

Owned by: Pat O'Halloran and Dick Moore

Arena: a 6200 seat building on the State Fairgrounds.  Will likely play as
many as four games out of the 15,705 seat St. Paul Civic Center.

Population: ?
----------
Hibbing, MN: "Minnesota Iron Rangers":

Owned by: ?

Arena: 4500 seat Memorial Building

Population:  80,000 Hibbing and immediate area
----------
Fargo-Moorhead, ND (Moorhead is actually in MN):

Owned by: ?

Arena: 3500 seat Moorhead Sports Center, but hopefully in the to-be-completed
10,517 seat FargoDome.

Population:  70,000 in Fargo, 35,000 in Moorhead
----------
Bismarck, ND:

Owned by: ?

Arena: 9000 seat Civic Center (negotiations almost completed)

Population: ?
----------
Saskatoon, SK:

Owned by: no one, yet

Arena: 11,306 seat Saskatchewan Place (negotiations in progress)

Population: est. 200,000 including surrounding area (I should know this, since
I live here, but I haven't seen the numbers lately).
----------
Green Bay, WI (only a possibility):

Owned by: ?

Arena: up 5000 seat Brown County Memorial Arena

Population: around 100,000
----------
Regina, SK (only a possibility):

Owned by: ?

Arena: 5770 seat Agridome

Population: est. 200,000 including surrounding area (actually slightly smaller
than Saskatoon, last I heard).
----------

-- 
Randy A. Coulman                |       ARIES Laboratory
                                |       Department of Computational Science
coulman@cs.Usask.ca             |       University of Saskatchewan
                                |       Saskatoon, SK   S7N 0W0
From: micbrian@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MAD MAX - THE ROAD WARRIOR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <allan.714163425@swanlake>, allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes...

>Buffalo Sabres
>--------------
>Muckler did well in obtaining Lafontaine last year. However, this
>coming year will be the REAL test of his abilities as a GM.

John Muckler is not the GM of the Buffalo Sabres; he is the director of
hockey operations.  Gerry Meehan is the GM of the Sabres.

John Muckler does have a large say in the player moves that the Sabres
make, however.  He has brought a system to Buffalo, and wants the players
that will perform in that system.  He advises Meehan, but it is Meehan 
who pulls the trigger on trades.  

I think that this season will be more a test of Muckler's ability as a
coach.  The Sabres are extremely talented; if Muckler can't make them
win, no one can.

>There is enough talent on the Sabres to make the playoffs. Goaltending
>should be helped by the addition of Hasek. (Although admittedly the
>Sabres already had several goaltenders who can play great when
>healthy and properly motivated.)

Only partially agreed here.  Clint Malarchuk has been exceptional in Buffalo.
However, his obessive disorder screwed up his season last year.  A recovery
from this and some time in goal should return him to form.  Puppa and Draper
are something else.  Puppa has floated through the past two seasons, and
is destined to be traded.  Draper is solid, but as backup only.  He's just
not a #1 goalie.  Hasek is #1 right now, no matter what the Sabres say.
It's his job to lose.  Look for Draper to back him up, Puppa to be sent
packing, and maybe even Malarchuk to be moved.

>The Sabres should finish anywhere from the top half to the middle
>of the division.

IMHO, they have what it takes to win the division this year.

Brian
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:10:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.210753.574@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>Malarchuk was a loser in Quebec, a loser in Washington, and a loser
>in Buffalo...how many more teams does he have to lose playoff series
>for before people realize this.  Puppa and Malarchuk are 5 and 6 on
>the depth chart...Hasek, Draper, Littman, and Ketterer (if he has
>signed) should be the goaltenders...the Sabres will go nowhere with
>Puppa or Malarchuk...and you can bet on that.

Gerald, exactly how many times did he get the chance to play in the playoffs
with Quebec and Washington?  I don't think he was ever given the #1 job either
in the playoffs with Buffalo.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: SLAVIN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Charlie Slavin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hockey Books
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:54:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I just picked up a copy of Tod Hartje's "From Behind the Blue Line".
I noticed on the book jacket that his co (ghost?) author, Lawrence
Martin has written a book called "The Red Machine" which is called
a "chronicle of Soviet hockey".  I couldn't find it listed in Books
in Print (either electronic or book version).  Does anyone know
anything about this book - in particular where I might find a copy
of it?

Thanks in advance, Charlie
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: OH Anna.....
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:10:11 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <0eWdWhu00iUxA37vF3@andrew.cmu.edu>, cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl D. Lovejoy) writes:
>     I think taking a stroll through the brisk Arizona evening air
> watching the Alzimier's (sp?) patiences stumble around the streets of
> Tuscon would be quite entertaining not to mention romantic. Don't you
> think so...

 Go ahead and trivialize it - see if I care.... you try strolling through the
elderly and stepping over the homeless on a romantic jaunt through the park and
see how easy it is..... by the way, that is T-u-c-s-o-n not Tuscon.... 



			gln



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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: LA KIngs precamp moves
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:25:01 GMT

In article <22845@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) writes:
>The current hot rumour here in LA is that the Kings have invited "the top"
>goaltender from the Swedish Elite League to camp.  Steffan, do you have
>any info on this?  I have been unable to confirm a name.

If they are talking about Tommy Soderstrom, isn't he Philadelphia property?

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: lipinski_todd@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Long Road Trips
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:30:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.201306.12027@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com
(Stan Macasieb) writes:
>All this stuff about the Houston Astros baseball team being on their
>current month-long road trip, and that fact that they're stopping by
>Wrigly Field this weekend, made me think about something similar
>in hockey.
>
>Twice a year the Blackhawks go on an extended road swing because
>Bill Wirtz figures it's good to let the Ice Capades and Ringling
>Bros. play around in his arena to line his coffers. And this is a
>yearly ritual, not only for the Hawks, but for the Bulls as well.
>

Do most of the teams in the NHL and/or NBA have to go on similar long (two
Weeks each) road trips?  Or is this isolated to the Blackhawks only?

-Todd

>So I can't see what the media covering the 'Stros are bellyachin'
>about.
>
>--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) Seven weeks till Opening Night...
>


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From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:50:20 CDT

In article <Bt4uAL.J1q.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.160016.2517@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>Point the finger where the blame is due...and that is Howard Baldwin...
>
>Now it's my turn to say Amen.  I haven't trusted that guy from day one.  I
>think all his wonderful talk is just that...talk.  The only big plans he has
>for the Penguins is to gut the team of talent, unload it, and take the money
>and run.
>
>Lori

Didn't he do something like that with the Minnesota North Stars?

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Tom Huot        			       
huot@cray.com 
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From: tiok_jk@tac.fi (Juha Koivisto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: International TAMPERE CUP tournament
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:08:47 +0300
Organization: City of Tampere

Greetings from Finland !

The traditional international hockey tournament Tampere Cup
will be played here in Tampere, Finland during August 20 to 23.

Tampere Cup is one of the prominent international hockey tournaments
of today. Top-ranking teams from all over the world are willing to
participate in large numbers than could be expexted. This year
there are eight top-ranking teams including Olympic teams from USA
and France, Russian champions and strong domestic and Swedish teams.
Tampere Cup officially opens the season in Tampere. Ilves and Tappara
will introduce their new teams to the public for the first time this fall.

The teams play a simple series in two divisions (A and B).
Ranging is determined by the principle applied in the
elimination round of the A pool in World Championships.
The finals will be played on Sunday, August 23.

TAMPERE CUP 1992 TEAMS:

DIVISION A:                   DIVISION B:
Lulea Hockey, Sweden          Dynamo, Moscow, Russia
USA Olympic Team              France Olympic Team
TPS, Turku, Finland           Vastra Frolunda, Sweden
Tappara, Tampere, Finland     Ilves, Tampere, Finland

Tampere Cup 1992 schedule:

Thur 8/20
 1  USA - Lulea              time 16.45, Arena 2
 2  Tappara - TPS            time 17.00, Arena 1
 3  Dynamo - V. Frolunda     time 19.45, Arena 2
 4  Ilves - France           time 20.00, Arena 1

Fri  8/21
 5  V. Frolunda - France     time 16.45, Arena 2
 6  Ilves - Dynamo           time 17.00, Arena 1
 7  Lulea - TPS              time 19.34, Arena 2
 8  Tappara - USA            time 20.00, Arena 1

Sat  8/22
 9  France - Dynamo          time 14.30, Arena 2
10  Lulea -Tappara           time 15.00, Arena 1
11  TPS - USA                time 17.30, Arena 2
12  V. Frolunda - Ilves      time 18.00, Arena 1

Sun  8/23,  finals
13  A2 - B2                  time 13.00, Arena 1
14  A4 - B4                  time 13.30, Arena 2
15  A1 - B1                  time 16.00, Arena 1
16  A3 - B3                  time 16.30, Arena 2

Times are in EET-DST.


TAMPERE CUP 1991

1. Dynamo, Moscow, USSR
2. USA Olympic Team
3. Canada Olympic Team
4. Tappara, Tampere, Finland
5. Lulea-Hockey, Sweden
6. Djurgarden IF, Sweden
7. Skoda Plzen, Czech.
8. Ilves, Tampere, Finland

-- 
Juha Koivisto   *  Department of Information Technology
tiok_jk@tac.fi  *  City of Tampere, Finland
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