HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Affirmative action is dead
Keywords: quotas
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:51:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.223347.19989@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Already some women's groups are complaining about Clinton's effort in
>signing up women. Despite Clinton's well-publicized female appointments, and
>the almost certain effort the transition team took in *looking* for and
>finding qualified women, they claim that Clinton may have fewer high-level
>women appointed than Bush - something they find unacceptable.
>My only fear is that Clinton takes them too seriously. His EPA appointment
>was a 34-year-old women whose only significant administrative background
>was less than a year heading Florida's EPA; I doubt a white male
>with that thin a resume would have been even considered.
>
>I'd like to have Clinton - or someone - stand up to the pressure groups
>and say " I have one quota - excellence. Every member of my cabinet
>is the best candidate for the job, bar none." (Well, maybe next time.)
>

I hope you got to hear some of Clinton's 12/21 press conference, at which
the nominees for Education and Energy were presented. Clinton got really
animated at one point about this question, stating that the various womens'
groups who were complaining 'had better reassess' their ideas, and that
he felt he was doing a good job of including the various 'sensitive'
groups in the administration.

>>  The Clinton administration should provide a test of this type of policy,
>>as he seems intent on getting a quota cabinet.  He says it should look
>>like America, but evidently he means this only in a superficial way.
>
>>There will apparently be no low-income people or non-college graduates
>>included, for example.
>

There is, of course, the small matter of 'qualifications'. And no, I'm
not arguing that you *must* be a college graduate to be qualified.
Give me a break.

>
>Pat
>	Kay Hutchison for U.S. Senate '93

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
Xref: sparky alt.discrimination:5449 soc.culture.african.american:13220 misc.education:5529
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:12:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec21.130038.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.013929.20621@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec16.171252.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec16.191319.26213@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Dec15.090227.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Dec15.014213.20399@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

>>>>>>>> Then could you be the one to point out the mythical program which is
>>>>>>>> restricted to Caucasians and denied to Blaks?

>>>>>>>  The mythical program is whites get hired and blacks don't.

>>>>>> And can you name this company or companies which won't hire anyone because
>>>>>> they're Blak? I certainly wouldn't want to have dealings with them.

>>>>>  I was speaking in general.  Like I stated in one of my earlier postings, Ross
>>>>>  Perot stated that in times of econmic decline in the U.S. blacks are first to
>>>>>  be affected.  Again I ask Why? 

>>>> 1.  Union seniority rules
>>>> 2.  Blacks are more likely to work in the hardest hit sector - low
>>>> skill, low wage work.

>>>  And what about the skilled and educated blacks, like me?  Where do they work?
>>>  I can tell you where they end up living.  The salvation army, and the street!

>> Really?  Personally, I think you are talking bullshit.  I challenge
>> you to provide stats showing the percentage of blacks with college
>> educations living on the streets.  You imply it's over 50%, but I'll
>> be satisfied if you can show it's over 10%.

>> If you end up on the street (something I consider a real possibility
>> based on the level of intelligence you have displayed so far on the
>> net) it will be becasue of your own stupidity.  That's a factor you
>> don't include up above.

>  Not to mention the fact that I interviewed with over 50 companies.
>  I guess racism had nothing to do with it.

I tend to agree.  After all, do you really believe that all 50
companies rejected you because of your skin color?  Aftr all, unless
they were all small, I bet they all had at least some token blacks.
Why couldn't you get lucky and be a token?  Probably because there
were reasons besides the melanin content of your skin that people did
not want you to work for them.

>  The first step to recovery is acceptance!


-- 
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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,alt.president.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Affirmative action is dead
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:33:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

gordon prioreschi) writes:
|> Mike Polen) writes:
|> >Actually, South Africa is a precedent for a society which bases everything
|> >on protecting the power of a racial minority.  AA will be needed to protect
|> >whites by the year 2010.
|> 
|> The underlying assumption here is, of course, that AA is
|> "automatically" needed to protect every minority group.
|> 
|> Not to mention that I will bet you dollars to donuts that the moment
|> somebody advocates affirmative action to protect _whites_ is the
|> moment we hear the first anti-AA sentiments from certain segments of
|> the liberal camp.
|> 
Who the hell do you think is in the "liberal camp?"  The first time I
heard the statement about whites needing AA, was in a speech by the
head of the Houston chapter of the Anti-Defamation League.
-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Xref: sparky alt.discrimination:5473 soc.culture.african.american:13331 misc.education:5587
From: rob@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rob Cuthbertson)
Subject: 12 more strips!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:59:26 GMT


I've got six more from June which I'll post this morning, then 6 more from
August which I'll put out late this afternoon.  Does anyone have any strips
from July or after August?  Is anyone at Xor Engineering still listening?

--Rob "Raab" Cuthbertson
Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Wire-Head Sex, VR sex, Sex with Droids and Noids.
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:22:44 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Summary: Wherein our hero battles the hideous Mutant Thread from Hell

In article <BzMCHu.2s0@cs.vu.nl>, mcvos@cs.vu.nl (Vos MC) writes:

: : then maybe a brain implant for pleasure might be the way to go (then again
: : addiction to crack might also be the way to go). However if you also want to
: : live long and prosper (possibly a selfish notion requiring a far greater
: : amount of the world's resources to keep you in existence) whilst seperating
: : the stimulations of pleasure over a long period of time then reality is
: : probably the way to go. Put in those terms it actually seems like a close
: : decision! Hmmmm.
 
: You only really talk about pleasure here. IMHO happiness is much more
: important than pleasure. Addictions may give you pleasure, but they'll
: never give you happiness. (sometimes I'm even worried about my computer
: addiction.) If pleasure's the main goal in your life, it might be the
: way, but as for happiness (or truth, in my case) definitely NOT.

   Ah, but note that this is getting cross-posted to alt.cyberpunk (as well
as alt.industrial. What *IS* alt.industrial ? Is this thread appropriate ?)
   As such, given that addiction is a major part of the genre, the use of
"wire-heading" as an addiction is a valid discussion point.
   And the point I wanted to make is that to many (those that would be
addicted anyway, obviously not most of the people reading this) it would
be a far more attractive option than real life, and real sex, in that it does
not involve all those messy interpersonal problems. All you need is a wall-
socket.
   Ok, so it doesn't apply to you. But think about it. Were the tech developed
to allow this ultimate, easy high, how many people here do not seriously
believe that there would be *millions* doing it ?

Tony Q.
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Tory Toupin)
Subject: Loop Diagrams
Originator: ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:07:37 GMT

alt.industrial

Recently one of my coworkers claimed fame by inventing the "loop diagram".

I could not find a more suitable newsgroup for this question but does anyone
in the industrial group happen to have the history of the "loop diagram"? :-).

If you need more information I'll be glad to provide it for you...

Thanks,

E Toupin
toupine@casi.cba.du.edu
BACKUP : ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu
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From: jak@panix.com (Jack Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Wire-Head Sex, VR sex, Sex with Droids and Noids.
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:36:58 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC


Happy Holidays to all.

Being reasonable has nothing to do with 'truth'!
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: mcvos@cs.vu.nl (Vos MC)
Subject: Re: Wire-Head Sex, VR sex, Sex with Droids and Noids.
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:58:41 GMT

Jeffrey Clark writes:
Philip Nason Burt writes:
: >Why is pleasure the main goal of human existance?

I think I prefer truth. But that's only personal.
: 
: >Some of my favorite moments in life are when I can experience the
: >rawness of reality and know that my creater knows and understands that
: 
: What's your mum and dad got to do with your pleasurable experiences?

??? What does this mean?
: 
: >rawness.  "Artificial pleasure"?  Thanks, but no thanks.  I will take
: >reality and enjoy the pleasure when it comes...
: 
: Depends what life philosophy you want to take. If the pursuit of happiness
: (or pleasure) 

I don't think happiness is the same as pleasure. Happiness is pretty
independent from pleasure actually.

: without the harm of any other being is your life philosophy
: then maybe a brain implant for pleasure might be the way to go (then again
: addiction to crack might also be the way to go). However if you also want to
: live long and prosper (possibly a selfish notion requiring a far greater
: amount of the world's resources to keep you in existence) whilst seperating
: the stimulations of pleasure over a long period of time then reality is
: probably the way to go. Put in those terms it actually seems like a close
: decision! Hmmmm.

You only really talk about pleasure here. IMHO happiness is much more
important than pleasure. Addictions may give you pleasure, but they'll
never give you happiness. (sometimes I'm even worried about my computer
addiction.) If pleasure's the main goal in your life, it might be the
way, but as for happiness (or truth, in my case) definitely NOT.
: 
: Jeff.
: 

Great Greetings,
mcv


(mcvos@cs.vu.nl)
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From: rainbow@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Jennifer Lynn Hammond)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Wire-Head Sex, VR sex, Sex with Droids and Noids.
Date: 2 Jan 1993 16:06:34 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <BzMCHu.2s0@cs.vu.nl> mcvos@cs.vu.nl (Vos MC) writes:
>Jeffrey Clark writes:
>Philip Nason Burt writes:
>I don't think happiness is the same as pleasure. Happiness is pretty
>independent from pleasure actually.
>
>: decision! Hmmmm.
>
>You only really talk about pleasure here. IMHO happiness is much more
>important than pleasure. Addictions may give you pleasure, but they'll
>never give you happiness. (sometimes I'm even worried about my computer
>addiction.) If pleasure's the main goal in your life, it might be the
>way, but as for happiness (or truth, in my case) definitely NOT.
>: Jeff.
>Great Greetings,
>(mcvos@cs.vu.nl)
-------------------------------
Some words here are being lewd, stewed and barbeequed, as well as
minced. Pleasure and happiness. I think all would say that
pleasure makes one happy and that happiness is a pleasure. Let's
face it that we acquired a couple words with bare shades of
difference in meaning. The "concerned" person is expressing that
a *momentary* distraction that is experimental, (and may not even
be that pleasurable, like your first time you got drunk and threw
up), may not lead to happiness. That is obvious to everyone. Sex
is like that, if you get HIV or pregnant from it, it may not make
you happy. But people who maintain that these are the same are
making a statement that you haven't been getting, oh "concerned"
one! And that is that the things that make us happy in the final
analysis were all pleasurable things to do, in the long and the
short run, and that things that don't give us pleasure in the
long run, therefore happiness, are not things that give us
pleasure in the short run either, they only look like them at a
distance. Once one gets right up to them, they can see, if they
stop to look, what is genuinely pleasurable and leads to
happiness. Having sex when you think you might get HIV that way
tends to ruin it, I guarantee! Think up other examples as an
exercise for the student.
-RSW









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Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 09:23:24 EST
From: Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Wire-Head Sex, VR sex, Sex with Droids and Noids.

adel@varian.com (~) writes:

>      Animals.  They collapse of the harm  of  human  end  of
> human  existance?   Pleasure  centers done on occasion to be
> the main goal of about presses per  minute  pausing  on  old
> paths.  Brain implant?  The pleasure button to crack addict?
>
>      Forever.  Harm of happiness or one to crack might  also
> want  to take.  Itself.  Exhaustion.  Beginning of my favor-
> ite moments in their brains.
>
>      See a person sue for missing the rat a rat with  elect-
> rod in brain implant?  Starves or early's.
>
>      Thanks.  Press a choice between a scary thing to see  a
> brain  jumping  all  over  this lever to catch their breath,
> they collapse of the stimulations of reality and dad got  to
> see  a crack, and a scary thing to live long period of human
> end of reality and behavior class  here  at  good  ol'  TPR.

Hey, is this a poem, or what?  Where's Alan GInsberg?  :-)

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: "john leaverpower" <john.leaverpower@canrem.com>
Subject: loop diagrams
Reply-To: "john leaverpower" <john.leaverpower@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 2 Jan 93 11:20:24 EST

to: ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu

SUBJ: Loop Diagrams

Message to ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu re: message <1993Jan1.190737.8324@mercury.cair.du.edu>
in alt.industrial from ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu to ALL

TT I could not find a more suitable newsgroup for this question but does anyone
   in the industrial group happen to have the history of the "loop diagram"? :-).

Nope, but I'd like to know what it is!

TT If you need more information I'll be glad to provide it for you...

OK

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Newsgroups: alt.industrial
From: toupine@casi.cba.du.edu (Ed Toupin)
Subject: Loop Diagrams - A little better definition
Originator: ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 20:51:06 GMT

A loop diagram is a "drawing" that outlines the path of a circuit for
one device only from, for instance, a PLC.  To give an example, the designer
would design a system that starts and stops several pumps.  Instead of
one drawing containing all connections from the PLC to all pumps there is
on drawing, per pump, from the PLC to "a" pump showing all intermediate
connections and associated wiring configurations.
 
Simply - individual IO showing the connections of one device per drawing.
 
I have seen these drawings outside of the organization but I can't recall
where.  That's the only reason for the post is to see if I could get
a little history.
 
Thanks for the reply and I hope this helps with the explanation a bit.
 
Ed Toupin
toupine@casi.cba.du.edu
BACKUP : ttoupin@zephyr.cair.du.edu
From: alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Most Commercial Rave Yet Award???
Summary: Knott's Berry Farm  "K-Rave '93"
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:50:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Wow, I found this on page B-1 of Today's (12-23-92) WALL STREET JOURNAL!
This one is so well publicized that it is written about BEFORE it happens
in a conservative newspaper on the other side of the continent.

_____________________________________________________________________________
KNOTT'S BERRY SETS HOLIDAY JAM BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD STICK TO JELLY
By David J. Jefferson -- Staff Reporter for the journal

	Every trend-setter knows that once something hits the mass market,
its no longer hip. Take Peter Max. Disco. Junk Bonds.
	So the avant-garde may have to give up "raves", huge, all-night
dance parties.  Because on New Year's Eve, "K-Rave '93", a rave to end all
raves, will be held at Knott's Berry Farm, the Buena Park, Calif., theme
park that jelly built.
	Heretofore, raves have been mostly underground affairs, often held
illegally in abandoned warehouses and other remote locations, and
attracting thousands of young people dressed in neo-hippie and faux-gang
garb.  Rave revelers gyrate to lyricless computerized music called
"techno", drop amino acid in the form of vitamin-enriched "smart drinks",
and pop the occasional, illicit "ectasy" tablet.  The atmosphere is equal
parts '60s psychedelia and '90s urban street culture:  If rocker Grace
Slick and rapper Marky Mark got their friends together, it would be a rave.
	That's not at all what you would expect to find at Knott's, which
for years has shunned raucous New Year's revelry in favor of its
"Jubilation" evening of contemporary Christian music.  But the devout have
been fewer in number, and Knott's needed a revenue-booster.
	The Knott family was uncomfortable with the idea of letting
teenagers dressed like the Mad Hatter and go-go dancers invade the park,
but Dan Anderson, the 22 year-old great-grandson of founder Walter Knott
and a raver himself, convinced them that it could hold a rave sans the
seedier elements.  "You don't have to worry about dirty lyrics, because
rave music has no lyrics," says Knott's spokesman Stuart Zanville.
	Won't a Knott's Berry Farm rave be like a Muzak rendition of "Like
a Virgin"?  Knott's doesn't think so.  In keeping with the latter-day
Renaissance Faire flavor of other raves, Knott's will populate the park
with bizarre street performers: a snake charmer, tribal dancers, atheletes
on Stairmaster machines, Vegas-style showgirls riding Snoopy floats.
"We're juxtaposing elements in a surrealistic way,"  says Jeff Langley, a
one-time collaborator with feminist folk singer Holly Near and now Knott's
director of entertainment.  He's hoping that "hokey becomes hip."
	The hip crowd may show up simply to poke fun.  But Knott's will
have the last laugh:  Each raver will have paid $27.50 to attend.

_____________________________________________________________________________









Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: bchang@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Chang)
Subject: Re: Most Commercial Rave.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 05:40:48 GMT


the beat cycle...expressed, supressed, and expressed once more...
now watch waht happens next.  there will be more highly commercial raves,
and, unfortunately, the substance will be replaced with style.  the
cultural virus will spread throughout the world but will be inoccuous and
devoid of impact.  without the substance it will then die and be supressed
again.
thus spake nostradamus.

ben

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson)
Subject: name this tune in 650 beats
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:49:13 GMT

I heard an industrial dance/rave song the other night. The only thing I can
remember penetrating the thick single-malt fog in my brain was this re-
occuring sample, it was the tarzan yell from the old TV series. It was from 
the late sixties early 70's, and had a chimp called Cheeta in it. Anyway,
the Tarzan yell is obvious. Some band sampled it. Does anyone know this
tune????

Ta in advance
David D.

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest)
Subject: Re: Most Commercial Rave.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:25:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.161115.9991@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
>He makes it sound like a rip-off of the 1960s Tim Leary days.  Why 
>can't we ever be given our OWN culture, our OWN identity?  Everything 
>is compared to what older generations did yesterday...  

Because we are only part of grand cycle...raving is just a modern
expression of a beat and a feeling locked deep inside the psyche
of humanity for eons, expressed, stifled, supressed, and
expressed once more.

-Thomas
 resident technoshaman


Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: 2038am@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (That Guy)
Subject: Re: SASSY rave article
Keywords: rave review
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:00:12 GMT



i'll have to agree that that article was truly a SASSY article.

blah blah blah Nation Of Ulysses and/or Riot Grrl Band blah blah blah
blah i know people who work for record companies, like blah blah blah
blah i didn't really enjoy it because there were drugs there, and we
can't risk saying anything except drugs are "uncool" in our magazine
blah blah blah i couldn't believe their like, tacky, stupid accesories
as i clomped around in my platform shoes blah blah and there was this
scholarly (read: OLDER than 25, how dare he come to young person's
event!?!) like, OTHER reporter from a MAJOR newssource blah blah blah
did i mention that i'm only 20 years old and writing for this cool
magazine that you're reading? like, aren't i cool!  blah blah blah...

-Andy



Newsgroups: alt.rave