HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Re: MUDs and Reality (Theory, LONG)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:13:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71946@cup.portal.com> <30100@hoptoad.uucp>

9212.19 e.v. 

AMBAR quotes me and writes:

   In other words, there is NO way to prove that the cyberMUD
   goes away while we aren't there and the 'computer' which 'creates it'
   has been turned off.  Likewise it is impossible to prove that
   it IS there when nobody is experiencing it.

*snort*  Easy.  I do a ps -auxww and find four or five at any given
moment.


Response:

I assume that your command somehow locates MUDs without players.

As soon as you 'locate' them then you have created them, as far as we
can tell.  Where do they go when NOBODY perceives them?  I'm saying
that this is a philosophical quandry which has existed for centuries.

Based upon the grounds for proof it is impossible to prove their existence.
Usually we require that an object be perceivable in order to prove its
existence.  If an object ISN'T perceived and we wish to establish its
being, then we have to 'look' for it.  If by our looking we CREATE it,
then how can we ever tell if it still exists when we aren't looking?

Same goes for ANY world/MUD by the way, even the one(s) in which we 
spend the bulk of our time.


Thyagi
---------------------------------------------------
"So we'll go to the top of the toppest blue space,
The Official Katroo Birthday Sounding-Off Place!
Come on!  Open your mouth and sound off at the sky!
Shout loud at the top of your voice, 'I AM I!
ME!
I am I!
And I may not know why
But I know that I like it.
_Three cheers_!  I AM I!'"


Theodor Geisel   (Dr. Seuss)
From: duffrob@elof.iit.edu (Rob Duffy)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: test
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:58:02 GMT
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago

Testing my account, Sorry!
.
From: craigw@fnal.fnal.gov (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Re: OK how do i MAKE a mud?
Followup-To: alt.mud
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:35:13 GMT
Organization: Fermilab - Batavia, IL
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnpm06.fnal.gov

In article <1gee0jINNhpf@ub.d.umn.edu>, jremer@ub.d.umn.edu (Jeremy Remer)
wrote:
> 
> In article <kwi.42@stud.hsn.no> kwi@stud.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK) writes:
> >	No I dont want you to make it for me just give some hints and a site 
> >to get the basic stuffs from.Anny language!
> >	By the way, do you know of a site to put it up?
> >

Assuming you guys want to set up a mud, I would hope you have played them.
Why not ask the wizards on the muds (c'mon no one plays one) you play to
help you out.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:56:15 EST
From: <TMM124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Gooland

Any of you mudders know if Gooland has ever gotten a new host?  If so and you
know it, drop me a note.  Thanx.


                                Magpie
From: madmax@cellar.org (Alex Strumpf)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Re: test
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:54:37 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

duffrob@elof.iit.edu (Rob Duffy) writes:

> Testing my account, Sorry!
> .

We'll forgive you..THIS time. BUT DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!! :-P

Aleksei@the MUD nearest you, so watch out! 

madmax@cellar.org

PREFERRED mailpath: madmax%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com


"Well, you know what they say about hyperspace..they say it's a hypothetical 
 absurdity and that's something I've always wanted to be lost in."
Newsgroups: alt.mud,alt.angst.xibo.sex,alt.mud.t-rev.stomp.stomp.stomp
From: foxen@netcom.com (Foxen)
Subject: Re: Furries (Was: Re: Ask and you shall receive (20-point definition of furry fandom)
Keywords: TOURMALINE!  HEY, TOURMALINE!
Organization: Fuzzball Software and Graphic Arts
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:06:02 GMT


[Joel Furr copies a ton of text from alt.fan.furry, to which he adds two
 lines of comment in the classic style of the infamous D'baba Device.]

Thank you for sharing that with the rest of the class, Mr. Furr.
Now please report to the infirmary to get your distemper and valium shots.

	- Revar

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 \   / |    |  \  |     | |  -> '-" \______/___/  Yet Another Furry Fan (YAFF!)
  `v'  |--  |--<  |---  `v'  '    ,| _____ |       "Support the Church of the
   |   |___ |   \ |      o       //||    |||           Holy Fur of Ilura!"
From: doctor8@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Clay Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Hey hello
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:59:55 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

I realize this probably the faq from hell, but how does one start one of 
these alt,rec, or whatever groups?
The Doctor
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Re: MUDs and Reality (Theory, LONG)
Summary: As if we need another "mysticism"... <sheesh>
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:24:59 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) foolishly scribbles:
[...]
>A) The cyber realm seems to depend upon the NONcyber realm for
>its existence (but this cannot be proven), and

Uh, wrong...  Just flip *one* *switch*, and they're outta there.

>all other dimensions depend is logically the 'real'.  Plato
>claimed that the real world is the world of Forms or Ideas, and 

Plato also had a habit of basing long inferential arguments upon
premises which are now known (by every Kindergartener) to be false.
Go back and read his "Republic", but pay attention this time.

>The japanese 'tea ceremony' is an artform which has been developed into
>spiritual practice.  So are Chinese and Arabian calligraphy.  Martial arts
>in the East and West have grown along similar lines, and, while the martial
>arts of the East have seen greater popularity (being of the body), those of
>the West (called 'ceremonial magick') have integrated both Western
>and Eastern esoteric concepts as elements of their foundation.

Okay, *now* I see where you're coming from.  Man, you're screwed up.

You don't have to get addicted to MUDding to think about virtual reality.

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
From: jremer@ub.d.umn.edu (Jeremy Remer)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Re: OK how do i MAKE a mud?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:25:55 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <kwi.42@stud.hsn.no> kwi@stud.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK) writes:
>	No I dont want you to make it for me just give some hints and a site 
>to get the basic stuffs from.Anny language!
>	By the way, do you know of a site to put it up?
>
>	Trinity(the three stooges)

A friend and I need similar information.  We are thinking about setting up a
mud.  The kind of mud we were looking into was of the 'Diku' variety.
We would need the basic info to start up a mud, but most importantly we need
to know of any possible mud sites.

Any help that me and my friend, and the person quoted can get would be well
appreciated.  (And well appreciated by fellow mudders if a new mud is born)

Jeremy 

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University of Minnesota, Duluth. | jremer@nyx.cs.du.edu | __|/|     |\|__ 
Newsgroups: alt.mud,alt.angst.xibo.sex,alt.mud.t-rev.stomp.stomp.stomp,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibo,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.tiny
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: PARTY AT PAWS' FUNERAL!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.224536.11868@leela.cs.orst.edu> tankgirl@ (Josette Torres) writes:
>jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>
>>Paws' funeral will take place on (EVIL!)Mud on Sunday, December 13, at 10
>>pm EST.  (EVIL!)Mud's address is fido.econ.arizona.edu 4201, or
>>128.196.196.1 4201.  In the meanwhile, his body will lie in state in Evil
>>Town Square in a solemn tent.  Wreaths and flowers may be left therein.
>
>here's your chance boys and girls.  if you ever wanted to make a gross scene
>at a funeral, THIS IS IT.  with Joel Furr officiating, what MORE could you
>ask for?
>
>-Tank Girl, member of the 'Paws is NOT dead' fan club

Who said I'm officiating?  I'm busy trying to get alt.mud.logs newgrouped,
to say nothing of parting the Red Sea and walking on water. Then, after
that, I'm going to get Kibo to admit that Xibo is really his mental
superior, and perhaps after that I'll change my name to Craig Shergold and
move to Brisbane.  No, I won't officiate.  That's Xibo's job.

Newsgroups: alt.mud,alt.angst.xibo.sex,alt.mud.t-rev.stomp.stomp.stomp,rec.games.mud.tiny
From: mick@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. M.A. Neary)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: dragon mud lost !!
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:56:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University


Keywords:

I played a mud called Dragon (somewhere in Netherlands) But I've lost
the address !!! I know it was SOMETHING.2 6715 as part of the address.
Please help a lost mudder find his home !!!
From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Re: MUDs and Reality (Theory, LONG)
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:25:17 GMT
Organization: Redheads Anonymous
In-reply-to: Tagi@cup.portal.com's message of Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:05:03 PST

In article <71946@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes:

   In other words, there is NO way to prove that the cyberMUD
   goes away while we aren't there and the 'computer' which 'creates it'
   has been turned off.  Likewise it is impossible to prove that
   it IS there when nobody is experiencing it.

*snort*  Easy.  I do a ps -auxww and find four or five at any given
moment.

				AMBAR
Newsgroups: alt.mud,alt.angst.xibo.sex,alt.mud.t-rev.stomp.stomp.stomp,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibo,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.tiny
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: DEATH OF PAWS
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:57:13 GMT

It is my sad duty to announce that Paws, the lovable wandering teddybear
known to all who have visited (EVIL!)Mud in the last year and a half, has
died.  Paws, a Maas-Neotek exploring robot, served faithfully on
(EVIL!)Mud from August 1991 to the end of November 1992.  During this
time, he always had a kind word for everyone, would give directions to
anyplace on the mud he knew his way to, and served his master, Xibo,
loyally.  One sad day at the end of November 1992, he suffered a massive
meltdown, beyond all hope of recovery.  He will be missed. 

Paws' funeral will take place on (EVIL!)Mud on Sunday, December 13, at 10
pm EST.  (EVIL!)Mud's address is fido.econ.arizona.edu 4201, or
128.196.196.1 4201.  In the meanwhile, his body will lie in state in Evil
Town Square in a solemn tent.  Wreaths and flowers may be left therein.

Paws may have passed from this world, but he will not be forgotten.  We
trust he will live on forever, wandering and exploring the Great Mud In
The Sky.

Farewell, Paws.
From: d8andjo@dtek.chalmers.se (Johan Andersson)
Newsgroups: alt.mud
Subject: Re: MUDs and Reality (Theory, LONG)
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:29:14 GMT
	<102744@netnews.upenn.edu>
Followup-To: alt.mud
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden

In article <102744@netnews.upenn.edu> lwl@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong) writes:
>
>   I assure you, Mr. Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva, that the tree-in-the-forest
>   question has been debated by far finer minds than yours, even though it's
>   a rather pointless one.
>
Ahh, but did they do something usefull with their insights?

You can save a lot of cpu in a MUD by only changing certain information
when it is required. A nice example is healing. Monsters do not need to
heal if their healthstatus is not required. When it _is_ queried you
can update it in one swoop just by saving a timestamp on when you updated
it last.

So, in a sense much in the mud do not have to happen unless it is being
looked at :-)

/Johan

p.s. 
	I think Quis has entirely removed the heartbeat routine from all
	living things in Genesis using the above technique.
d.s.

--
Johan Andersson           | "You don`t have conversations with microprocessors
Chalmers, Sweden          | you tell them what to do, and then you helplessly
Email:                    | watch the disaster when they take you literally."
d8andjo@dtek.chalmers.se  |	Sah`ot in David Brins "Startide Rising"
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From: tankgirl@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Josette Torres)
Newsgroups: alt.mud,alt.angst.xibo.sex,alt.mud.t-rev.stomp.stomp.stomp,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibo,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: DEATH OF PAWS
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:41:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Dec12.224153.11731
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:

>It is my sad duty to announce that Paws, the lovable wandering teddybear
>known to all who have visited (EVIL!)Mud in the last year and a half, has
>died.  Paws, a Maas-Neotek exploring robot, served faithfully on
>(EVIL!)Mud from August 1991 to the end of November 1992.  During this
>time, he always had a kind word for everyone, would give directions to
>anyplace on the mud he knew his way to, and served his master, Xibo,
>loyally.  One sad day at the end of November 1992, he suffered a massive
>meltdown, beyond all hope of recovery.  He will be missed.

'a massive meltdown'?  i do NOT call spamming the filesystem of fido.econ.
arizona.edu 'a massive meltdown'. 

i DO call not bringing Paws back up afterward 'a gross act of stupidity worthy
of an allout flamewar'.

-Tank Girl/Josette, still .sigless
Xref: sparky alt.mud:549 rec.games.mud.misc:1694
From: lwl@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong)
Newsgroups: alt.mud,rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: Re: MUDs and Reality (Theory, LONG)
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:40:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.mud
Organization: Objectivists for a Real World

In article <72039@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com 
   (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva [someone with far too much time to waste]) writes:
>   In other words, there is NO way to prove that the cyberMUD
>   goes away while we aren't there and the 'computer' which 'creates it'
>   has been turned off.  Likewise it is impossible to prove that
>   it IS there when nobody is experiencing it.

Uh huh.

"If a MUD crashes, and no one is there to see it crash, has it really
 crashed?"

I can see that question revolutionizing software engineering right now.

Certainly it'd make my job as a wizard and codehack a whole heck of a 
lot easier.

I assure you, Mr. Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva, that the tree-in-the-forest
question has been debated by far finer minds than yours, even though it's
a rather pointless one.

Any idiot can spout pseudo-philosophical goop. Do something useful with
your time. Or at least find a less tedious point to debate.


/~\______________________________________________________________________/~\
|n|       Lydia Leong         | If there is anyone here that I have not  |n|
|~| lwl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu _| offended, I deeply apologize.  -- Brahms |~|
|_|_________________________|#|__________________________________________|_|
From: at507@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim M. Bowden)
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
Subject: Generation Gap - Gen X vs. Boomers (The Atlantic)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:40:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I highly recommend the atlantic december 1992 magazines - it has
a huge article about the generational conflict emerging between
those born between 1961 and 1981 and the 'boomer' generation. 

I would suggest that you get this magazine if you have any 
interests in this generational conflict.

Also - it mentions that NEIL HOWE - has written a book called:

13TH - GEN(ERNATION?) - ABORT, DELETE, RETRY, FAIL? to be published
in march 1993. p.s. the population born between 1961 - 1981 is
considered the thirteenth generaiton.

jim
iijq500@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Tournament Dates
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:37:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Keywords: Tournamnent dates shows events

Anyone have a list of boomerang tournament dates and places for the Northwest?
the Southwest?

I am new to this and would like to go to some of these if they are close
enough to get to for me.  I don't want to enter and get slaughtered yet, 
but would like to attend and see the pros go through their paces, perhaps
talk to some of the people I am reading about.

e-mail would be fine, but a post might be better as there seem to be some
other raw beginners that might be interested too.

Bill Blohm
hpbs1686.boi.hp.com
From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: FAQ in progress
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:17:43 GMT

I wouldn't call this file a full-fledged FAQ, but it should answer
some questions out there.  Maybe I'll add one answer a month.

1. Where can I find out more information about boomerangs?

Join the USBA, and with your membership fee ask for a list of
suppliers and distributors.  Also, several suppliers and distributors
advertise in each issue.  Rates: US & Can: $US 10/yr, $US 150/life.
Everyone else: $US 20/yr, $US 250/life.  Send checks to
	U. S. Boomerang Association
	P. O. BOX 182
	Delaware, Ohio 43015

A USBA membership is your best pointer to finding out more
(disclaimer: I am just a satisfied member).

2. Where do I go from there?

Go to a boomerang tournament this summer.  There you can try before
you buy, find a boom that matches your throwing style, get throwing
tips, hang out.  You don't have to compete at a tournament, but I have
always found beginners (like I once was) are welcome.  I'll post more
dates & locales as they're announced.  If you want info on contacts
for a particular tournament, send me e-mail.

For faster gratification call Into the Wind in Boulder, CO.  They have
a 1-800-541-0314, good only in the US.  Otherwise, call
1-303/449-5356, or write to Into the Wind, 1408 Pearl St,. Boulder,
CO, 80302-5307.  Ask for a catalog.  My personal favorites they sell
are the Wizard (aka Pro Fly), at $6.95 and able to take all kinds of
abuse; the Tri-Fly, a 3-blader suitable for tight spaces, heavy winds,
and easy catches ($6); the Seabreeze, a beautiful 35-40 meter rang
($15.95), the Road Runner (a deceptively small critter) ($9.95), and
the Horizon (another long-distance boom) (around $20).

3. Where can I get good boomerangs?

A. Distributors:

Boomerang Man
1806 North 3rd Street
Monroe, LA 71201
318/325-8157
- has widest selection

Into the Wind (mostly kites)
1408 Pearl Street
Boulder, CO 80302-5307
800/541-0314 in US
303/449-5356 elsewhere, M-F 7-6, Sat 8-4, Sun 11-4 Mtn Time
- smaller selection than Boomerang Man

B. Boom Builders:

Living Edge Boomerangs
51 Troy Road
Delaware, Ohio 43015
614/363-8332

Gel Boomerangs
2026 Francisco,
Berkeley, CA 94709
Old #: 415/236-9179
For new #, call 1/510-555-1212

Colorado Boomerangs
409 North Colorado
Gunnison, CO 81230
303/641-3539

Rangsmith
P.O. Box 266
Saginaw, OR 97472-0266
-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Facts!
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:28:17 GMT

In article <Bz2vC0.Izo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>Anyone know ANYTHING about booeranging?  I would like to know
>about it and stuff.  
>

     Please post anything that you know about boomerangs.  I will appreciate
it.

     Thanks.

-- 
                                         +---------------------------------+
  +-----------------------------------+ /      Not a net.personality      /
 /   // Mr. Tickle Monster   // Amiga ++---------------------------------+
|  \X/   W. David Rohwer   \X/  3000  /  Internet: rohwerwd@netcom.COM  /
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:39:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.164134.2704@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>                            FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
>               For decades, the various energy companie$ have been 
>          COLLUDING with each other, [and probably also with the 
>          national and international banker$, governments, news media, 
>          "scientific" establishment, and "education" systems], to 


	And another fucking idiot, thinking himself privy to something
	special after reading some $10 rip off book from Information Unlimited
	or some other cheezy place that advertises in the back of bad 
	sci/fi magazines (Omni, etc..), decides to bring the light to
	the rest of us.i

	Plus, he posted in the wrong damn newsgroup.

-- 
 Snout: O Bottom, thou art chang'd!  What do I see on thee?          
 Bottom: What do you see?  You see an ass-head of your own, do you?  
 ---"I despise mystics, they fancy themselves so deep, when they----
 ----aren't even superficial"    --Nietzsche   ---------------------
From: yost@adobe.com (David Yost)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: DO NOT CANCEL THIS NEWSGROUP
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:45:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Give it til March.  Sometime between now and then
there will be something interesting happening with
Ross, I bet.

 --dave