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From: tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Nipple Piercing Questions
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:57:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: bailey.TOM.92Dec26205717
Organization: Center for Process Analytical Chemistry, UW

In article <1992Dec26.015257.554@news.wesleyan.edu> JSCHWIMMER@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Joshua Schwimmer) writes:

   I'm piercing my nipple in a week (surgical steel, 14 gauge), and I'm
   curious whether anyone has any advice or comments on this type of
   piercing.  As this is my first, I have a few basic questions, and
   anything you can say would probably be of interest.

   [...]

   Do those with recently pierced nipples find them too tender to sleep
   on?

I sleep mostly on my stomache and found I adapted for a few days by crossing
my arms over my chest in weird ways.  I wouldn't expect that a recently
pierced nipple would deprive you of much sleep.

   Have the piercings significantly interfered with anyone's daily
   activities?

On my first post-pierce backpacking trip I got worried that my pack's
shoulder strap would bother my nipple.  Fortunately, it never has.
About the only bad consequence I've had is that it can hurt like hell
when I chest-trap soccer balls -- I still have to learn to use only my
left side.  And, my little kitty sometimes tries to bite at my ring
when she sits on my lap, but that's tolerable.

   Has anyone found Hibiclens to be too harsh?  What other surgical
   scrubs work well with piercings?

Hibiclens did sensitize/irritate my nipple.  As an experimental
control, I tried it on my unpierced nipple, too, and it had a similar
but milder effect.  I put up with it for about two weeks, then
switched to Neutrogena.  When/if I get any more pierces, I plan on
using something other than Hibiclens.
--
Tom
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From:  Jason Ornstein <ornstein@advtech.uswest.com>
Subject: piercing in colorado
Originator: ornstein@teton
Reply-To:  Jason Ornstein <ornstein@advtech.uswest.com>
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:47:59 GMT

I have decided to get one or both of my nipples pierced and have started
to look for a professional piercer(?) in Colorado.  I was wondering if 
anyone out there has been pierced by a professional in Colorado and if
so, who it was. I would also like to hear how it turned out.

Thanks in advance for any information that you can provide.

-jason
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From: wright@reach.enet.dec.com (Life was never meant to be painless.)
Subject: Re: A Healing Nipple Pierce
Reply-To: wright@aiag.enet.dec.com
Organization: Depravity Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:32:20 GMT


In article <C02HFs.AwG@umassd.edu>, acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU writes:
|>
|>Howdy, all.
|>
|>I've got a question to just sort of throw out: I got my left nipple pirced
|>this summer (August 8th) and although it seems to have healed just fine the
|>ring keeps on getting stuck.  A couple of times, I tore the new membrane
|>inside the pierce: when I turned the ring a thin white "skin" came sliding
|>out along with the metal, and then it was back to sleeping on my side etc.
|>for a couple of days....  I've been leaving it strictly alone and greasing
|>it with neosporin after showers, but I'm wondering how long this phase of
|>things will last.
|>
|>Do piercings usually do this?  Should I be moving the ring around more?  Is
|>it too soon to hope for things to be "normal" and all healed?  I'd appreciate
|>any info or horror stories you-all could give me.  Thanks!

Mine has done this a couple of times.

what you are seeing is the pierce channel, and it is the tube of flesh that 
forms on the ring has part of the healing process.  and once it rips and sticks
to the jewelry the skin starts to die, and a new channel starts to form.

to avoid it, soak your jewelry if it doesn't turn/move freely.  Soak it alot.
and if/when it does happen, go back to cleaning it a daily/couple times a day 
for a while, just to help remove any of the old channel and to help prevent
infection (not sure how likely an infection is from this)

good luck.

grins,

clark.
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From: lambda@cis.umassd.edu (David G. Beals)
Subject: Where can I find Modern Primitives?
Summary: Where can I get a copy of it?
Keywords: modern primitives
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:04:27 GMT

I'm looking to buy a copy of _Modern Primitives_, but I've been unable to 
locate it at any of the bookstores I've gone to (Laurenti, Waldenbooks, and
GLAAD Day in Boston). Does anyone know where I might find a copy?

                                                -David Beals
                                                 lambda@cis.umassd.edu

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From: centaur@netcom.com (Paul Blair)
Subject: Re: Nipple Piercing Questions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:53:41 GMT

JSCHWIMMER@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Joshua Schwimmer) writes:

>I'm piercing my nipple in a week (surgical steel, 14 gauge), and I'm
>curious whether anyone has any advice or comments on this type of
>piercing.  As this is my first, I have a few basic questions, and
>anything you can say would probably be of interest.

>Which vitamin supplements enhance tissue regeneration?  50mg zinc 3x
>daily seems to be the usual advice.  Has anyone researched this more
>thoroughly?

I had mine done in the way you describe, and I took the zinc 50mg twice
a day.  It healed up in about 2 1/2 months or so, with little problem.

>Do those with recently pierced nipples find them too tender to sleep
>on?  Have the piercings significantly interfered with anyone's daily
>activities?  (I've read the thread on large breasts and nipple
>piercings.)  How long, generally, do they take to heal?

I was kinda worried about this, but I didn't have any problem really,
I was nervous about my SO bumping me since we sleep together, or such
things, but THIS wasn't a probelm.  You learn VERY quickly to be 
careful taking off your shirt though.  :)  And to watch when squeezing
through tight spaces.

>Has anyone found Hibiclens to be too harsh?  What other surgical
>scrubs work well with piercings?
                                                                     
I used Hibiclens for the first month and a half or so, but it seemed to
make my nipple a little more sensitive and redder, so I switched to
Betadine.  This seemed to do the job well, and it was a bit easier to find
at the corner drugstore than Hibiclens.

>(As always, apologies if this material has been covered recently.
>Please email -- rather than post -- if you your answers are not of
>general interest.  Is there a FAQ available?  I saw none.)

As I apologize for posting if this is wasted bandwidth, just de-lurking. :)


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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: one more thing
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:55:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


how the hell do you clean an ampallang
im assuming im doing okay
but the one plm with having a piercer who doesnt have the piercing
is that their descriptions of what happens during the healing
is kinda skewed (or maybe less so cuz they dont ahve a personal bias)

but anyway how the hell should i be cleaning this thing?
at the time the directions she gave made sense
but now they dont really
maybe i was just dazed and am not remembering them right
--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
From: christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Piercing being "trendy"...
Date: 2 Jan 1993 23:48:16 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

  For a while actually believed that piercings were "trendy", I guess
I'll never be able to fully screen out the bullshit of the world.  I got
my nipple pierced over 6 months ago, and the only place I'd heard of
body piercings was from Modern Primitives.  When I started to hear more
and more about them, I felt kinda bad.  I was dumb enough to get my
left ear pierced when I was in high school and this piercing (nipple)
was done completely for my own pleasure...+NOT+ to "fit in" with a 
certain group.  I hear more and more about bodypiercing in the media
like I've heard about goldfish swallowing contests in the 50's.
They (the media) make it out to be something shallow, when (as anyone
who's had a piercing can attest) a bodypiercing/tattoo can be a 
really memorable experience with lots of emotion and feeling wrapped up
in it.
  I've read this sort of crap even in magazines I really like, and they
keep using phrases that make you think that a peircing is just like 
any other fad (cabbage patch dolls, Dr. Martins, etc...).  It's not.
It's not your white-bread pinkboy fad.  You stick a needle through
your skin (or in it with ink for a tat) and put a ring in the hole.
  This is, in my opinion, pretty "hard core".  So, if there are any
lurking in this group who think that people who have tats/rings are
just willing dupes in some fashion-fad, think again.
 
  That probably didn't make any sense, but I had to get it out of my
mind....It was really bugging me.
 
-christian
From: perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu (William Perez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Nipple Piercing Questions
Date: 27 Dec 92 07:14:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

JSCHWIMMER@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Joshua Schwimmer) writes:
>I'm piercing my nipple in a week (surgical steel, 14 gauge), and I'm
>curious whether anyone has any advice or comments on this type of
>piercing.  As this is my first, I have a few basic questions, and
>anything you can say would probably be of interest.
>Which vitamin supplements enhance tissue regeneration?  50mg zinc 3x
>daily seems to be the usual advice.  Has anyone researched this more
>thoroughly?

You don't need to take any vitamins.  In fact, adding zinc can create scar
tissue which you don't want.  As long as you eat reasonably healthy you're
fine.  Your body will sort itself out... you don't need to do anything extra.

>Do those with recently pierced nipples find them too tender to sleep
>on?  Have the piercings significantly interfered with anyone's daily
>activities?  (I've read the thread on large breasts and nipple
>piercings.)  How long, generally, do they take to heal?

The only sensitivity I experienced were in the first couple of weeks.  Don't
go run and do bench presses.  In other words, just be sensible.  With ball
closure rings, since I sleep on my stomach, they occassionaly flipped in the
other direction which wasn't very nice at first.  Also, don't get dirty hands
or any mouths near them for a LONG time.  After mine had healed (2-3 months)
they became sorely infected after contact with saliva.

>Has anyone found Hibiclens to be too harsh?  What other surgical
>scrubs work well with piercings?

I was rather naive and bought Hibiclens for my first piercings (nipples).
The last thing you need on a piercing is a SURGICAL SCRUB.  You don't need
any kind of cleanser much less a scrub.  They do more harm than good.
Simple bath water is more than enough.  I've just come back from Britain
where piercings are much more commonplace than New York and I find Americans
are just so anal retentive about hygenic issues!  

But anyway... enjoy!
-- 
perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu (William Perez)
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: And i thought i new what pain was...
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 19:11:36 GMT

yow.


So, was it an ampallang, or an apadravya?

I think I'll stick with my PA.

Tim
wondering if Ben still reads his group ;-)
From: markr@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mark Rivers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Keloids
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:23:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Can anyone tell me about keloids?  How common are they for different
kinds of piercing (nipple, PA etc.)?  What can be done about them?  Has anyone
here had any experience of keloids that they would care to relate?

Mark
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From: lrumsey@nyx.cs.du.edu (-Linda-)
Subject: Re: Tattoos.....Questions/Help?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: -new tat...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 03:08:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.193639.24602@newstand.syr.edu> talarico@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John F. Talarico) writes:
>
>Help.
> 
>Please.
>
>I've wanted to get a tattoo or two for quite a long time.  You've all probably heard this story before, but please bear with me.  I'm nervous about the pain factor.  Does anyone have any words of encouragement?  Can anyone even explain the process in-dep
th for me?  I'm sure there are others lurking in the wings, waiting to hear the answers to these questions.
> 
I got yet another in a series of tattoos last night... I just unbandged
it, beginning the cleaning and lubrication of it. It's georgous. I want more!

I feel -very little pain while the tat is being done. And mine always heal
very nice <and fast...> I take very good care of a fresh one - it does
make a difference. I got this one on my ankle and it's a bit tendar as of
tonite.

I've gotten them on all areas of my body, each one being a different
experience <isn't it a joy?> All I can say upon leaving the parlor is - "I
want -more..."

If you -truly want a tat, then go for it. It's an experience like none other.
Find a good artist <talk to others, visit the parlors etc.>

For me... getting a tattoo generates the most -fantastic feeling!



--
            there is an awakening...

        and -all that remains is true...
                                                       -Jim Morrison-
From: milt@esd.sgi.com (Milton Tinkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: A Healing Nipple Pierce
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:48:24 GMT
Reply-To: milt@sgi.com (Milt Tinkoff)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec30.153220.8294@engage.pko.dec.com>, wright@reach.enet.dec.com (Life was never meant to be painless.) writes:

clark> In article <C02HFs.AwG@umassd.edu>, acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU writes:

> I've got a question to just sort of throw out: I got my left nipple
> pirced this summer (August 8th) and although it seems to have healed just
> fine the ring keeps on getting stuck.  A couple of times, I tore the new
> membrane inside the pierce: when I turned the ring a thin white "skin"
> came sliding out along with the metal, and then it was back to sleeping
> on my side etc.  for a couple of days....  I've been leaving it strictly
> alone and greasing it with neosporin after showers, but I'm wondering how
> long this phase of things will last.

> Do piercings usually do this?  Should I be moving the ring around more?
> Is it too soon to hope for things to be "normal" and all healed?  I'd
> appreciate any info or horror stories you-all could give me.  Thanks!

clark> Mine has done this a couple of times.

Mine too.

clark> what you are seeing is the pierce channel, and it is the tube of
clark> flesh that forms on the ring has part of the healing process.  and
clark> once it rips and sticks to the jewelry the skin starts to die, and a
clark> new channel starts to form.

To avoid this I only turn it in the shower (when I do my daily cleaning)
when it's lubricated with Hibiclens.  If it doesn't want to turn easily,
try turning it very slowly and you should have no problem.

-milt

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From: goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman)
Subject: Re: TATTOOS IN JAPAN
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:59:52 GMT

kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:

>	The tattoo masters do not do the sort of tattooing we do here; 
>	they only take certain clients, and they only do full suits. (In
>	fact, I think the Japanese (At least those in the tattoo subculture)
>	regard our western style tattooing with some contempt; those
>	of us with only bits and pieces tattooed are considered 'Half Men',
>	being less then fully tattooed.

I've spent the last few days with a pair of guys from Japan who are here in
the Ann Arbor/Ypsi area hanging around in tattoo shops. All their work has
been done in Tokyo by, I believe, Hiroshi III. They have many different
pieces, none combine into a 'full suit'. They also have a great
apprreciation for the work that has been done here.
Otherwise, why the heck would they come all the way here for looking at
tattoos?

>	tend to do it) do. Thus westerners with tattoos tend to be suspect.

On the contrary, Koji and 

>	About the only westerners who can get tattooed over there are 
>	people like Ed Hardy; western tattoo masters who can forge relationships
>	with the Japanese masters.


>	Give it up. If you want a tattoo from the orient, go to Hong Kong.


>	Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but "That's the way it is".



>			-Karl


>	

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From: ajm9230@hertz.njit.edu (Anthony J. Messina)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Wolf Tattoos
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:57:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Hello everyone.
This is the first time I've posted to this group, although I've read it
for some time now. I'm considering getting a tattoo of a wolf, but I'm
not sure what type to get? Where to get it? and if it's worth getting?
The what will most probably be solved by my wallet..1-color, 2-colors,
etc.  The where is a two parter...where physically on my body and where
as is what shop to go to. I've only heard of a few in my area, but they
seem to be pretty good. (Ron's comes to mind) Lastly, I am rather hairy
and would like to know if there are any other hairy guys out there with
tats. I know they would shave the area to be inked, but does the tat
show through well enough to be appreciated? I live in New Jersey, so any
recommendations or comments would be appreciated.
Much appreciated.

Anthony "WildWolf" Messina
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: tattoo nightmares
Keywords: tat nighmares failing class
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:52:48 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

Funny, but I realized that one tattoo artist wasn't for me
when I started looking at all the strange nightmares I had
about his work.  The first one was right after I got my dagger
done, and I had this strange dream about how he had put his
own energy into it, and was intending to use it as a ritual
tie to me, and I had the task of fighting the power in the tat
and making it MINE, so that not only he couldn't control me through 
it, but it was MY OWN power design.  

Since then I have had several nightmares about this same tat
artist.  Some involve his head trips, just sort of an extreme
replaying of his mutters about "This will show my brother I'm as
good as he is!" and "This is going to be one of my prize
pieces.  This will be the tat that makes my reputation!"
Where I'm just the canvas for his demented aspirations to
greatness.

The really *weird* nightmares were about how he was dedicating
the pain to some strange ritual that was kind of vaguely
related to sex magic, except pain magic, and using it to build
his personal power.  After those started, I decided not to go
back to the guy.  Obviously, he and I don't have compatible
world views, and my subconcious is telling me something.  

On the other hand, I've had some really great dreams about
getting tats from an artist I like, and some great dreams
about getting tats from artists I've never met.  Those are
very pleasant.  It was only this one guy who gave me
nightmares.
--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

"The field of pseudo-science hasn't progressed much in ten
years, except to gain access to the net." --from ca.earthquakes
From: diggins@husc4.harvard.edu (Lenard Diggins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Where can I find Modern Primitives?
Keywords: modern primitives
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:39:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec24.153919.18825
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <Bzn1rG.1rz@umassd.edu> lambda@cis.umassd.edu (David G. Beals) writes:
>I'm looking to buy a copy of _Modern Primitives_, but I've been unable to 
>locate it at any of the bookstores I've gone to (Laurenti, Waldenbooks, and
>GLAAD Day in Boston). Does anyone know where I might find a copy?
>
>                                                -David Beals
>                                                 lambda@cis.umassd.edu


i'm surprised you didn't find the book at Glad Day; i see it nearly everytime
i visit.  anyway, you might try Tower Records--especially the large store on
Mass. Ave. and Newbury St.  they have a huge alternative book/mag selection--
often stocking back issues of PFIQ and Skin.  i've also seen MP at the Harvard
Sq. Book Store (in Camb. on the corner of Mass Ave. and Linden St. (?)).

hope this helps in time,
Len
From: schlossy@stein.u.washington.edu (Joseph Schloss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: piercing goes pop & keloid info
Date: 1 Jan 1993 02:36:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Keywords: piercing, keloid


Piercing Makes Utne Reader!!!

This quarter's issue has a small blurb about piercing as
the "new trend". No news for piercing afficianados, but
a good read. The big question seems to be "what will those
crazy kids think of next?" Check it out.

Also, re: keloids. The ifo I've heard, tho' not specific
to piercings is -- the darker your skin type, the more
your chance of keloids. People w/ "olive skin" are advised
against face lifts/liposuction due to risk of severe
scarring. Same goes for darker skin types. Being light
skinned myself, I haven't come up against any personally w/ 
my piercings, but my more olive skinned sister has had more
[tho' not too severe] scarring w/ her navel pierce.

Still searching for any info on clit piercing... anyone?

***Jessamyn***   JWEST@Hamp.hampshire.edu
:x


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From: talarico@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John F. Talarico)
Subject: Tattoos.....Questions/Help?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:36:39 EST


Help.
 
Please.

I've wanted to get a tattoo or two for quite a long time.  You've all probably heard this story before, but please bear with me.  I'm nervous about the pain factor.  Does anyone have any words of encouragement?  Can anyone even explain the process in-depth for me?  I'm sure there are others lurking in the wings, waiting to hear the answers to these questions.
 
Thanx.
JT