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From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Subject: The Jedi Storm (story introduction)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:59:03 GMT

	Last year, I promised I would post this story if I ever found it.  
It is called Star Wars:  The Jedi Storm and it is in the public domain, so
there is no copyright issue.  Anyone may copy and distribute this file
freely, as long as it remains UNCHANGED.  Warning:  the story is NOT complete.
This is mearly part one, and the author requests a donation for you to
receive the rest of this work.  I have included the order form if anyone is
interested, but I personally doubt if anyone will be.  The story IMHO is very
childishly written and riddled with errors and character inconsistancies.
Anyway, the following 2 posts are the story.  Enjoy.

NOTE:  I did not write this story nor am I requesting that anyone donate $$$.
I am mearly posting a public domain text file for the enjoyment of readers of
rec.arts.sf.starwars.  Do not send any comments/complaints/criticisms to my
email address.  Thank you.


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From: mmartin@banzai.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Subject: Classic Star Wars
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:45:50 GMT

Does anyone know when Issue #1 of Classic SW is coming out?  The back of 
Dark Empire #5 says it was to be shipped Aug 4, but the local comic shop says
they haven't arrived yet.  Also, in what issue of Dark Horse Comics will the
first Tales of the Jedi appear?
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:03:43 GMT

svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:

>I don't know if anyone else has ever thought about this (you probably have,
>but what the hell it bugs me... :)), but I keep wondering about the bit in
>Star Wars where the death star is approaching the moon with the rebel base
>on it.

> 1. The death star can blow planets away
> 2. There is a planet between the death star and the moon

> 3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>    It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...

>The only thing I can think of that would stop the death star blowing the
>planet away and then the moon is if the weapon needs to be recharged, and
>even then, how long would this recharging take?

>If anyone has some information from books or whatever that clarifies this
>I would really appreciate it if you would let me know. 

If you go by the Star Wars RPG sourcebooks (which are not canon, but at
least have been approved by the picky Lucasfilm people), the first
Death Star took several minutes to recharge its main gun.  On the other
hand, the main gun's targeting systems were insufficient to allow the
main gun to be fired at anything smaller than a capital ship.  In any
event, there's no reason I can think of as to why the Empire didn't just
incinerate the entire planet, and it's gaping holes like this that rank
ANH as my least favorite film in the trilogy (blasphemy!).

                                           --Steve Stelter
                                             sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:26:24 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Aug 92 01:23:58 GMT, umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe) said:

umwieb69> Does anyone out there know where I can get a copy of this
umwieb69> tape?  I tried to order it the other day (From Star Wars to
umwieb69> Jedi the Making Of A Saga), and was told the next day that
umwieb69> it was discontinued(!!!!!!).  SO any info would be
umwieb69> appreciated.  Perhaps someone has a copy to sell, or will
umwieb69> dub it for me (illegal, eh?).  PLEASE RESPOND!!!!!!!!!!

I just ordered From Star Wars to Jedi. I assume it is a legal copy
since it's a big mail order type place. It was $12.98

Intergalactic Trading Co.
P.O. Box 1516 
Longwood, FL 32750
(407) 831-8344

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                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Art of Books (was Re: Star Wars script distrib
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:24:51 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

>g-martin1> I checked into purchasing _The Art of XXXXX_ books since
>g-martin1> they contain the scripts for each movie, but these books
>g-martin1> are out of print. There are smaller book versions of the
>g-martin1> movie scripts but they are also out of print.

  Just a minor point. The "Art Of..." books are NOT out of print. In
fact, the Art of Empire was just offered through comic distributors
last month. I remember seeing the other two awhile ago. Keep bugging
your book dealer or a local comic dealer.

 Marshall
--mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:08:17 GMT

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 04:15:49 GMT, gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) said:


gt0754b> I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
gt0754b> Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the
gt0754b> imperial officer reports that "According to the log the crew
gt0754b> abandoned ship right after takeoff.  And SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS
gt0754b> HAVE BEEN JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor
gt0754b> beam then how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?
gt0754b> And even if the pods could escape from the Death Star's
gt0754b> tractor beam, are you telling me that the imperials are dumb
gt0754b> enough not to have detected all this?  Any reasonable
gt0754b> explanations?  Anyone, anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller,
gt0754b> Bueller....

Maybe the Falcon never had escape pods. I can see Han wanting to stay
and fight than give up his ship, so he may never have invested in pods
for the Falcon. 

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:53:35 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug28.171404.1303@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>In article <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>>JETTISONN."  If the MF was caught in the tractor beam then
>>how could escape pods escape being dragged in too?  And even
>
>	Han is supposedly one of the better smugglers in the galaxy, so...
>It's possible he had fake logs and empty escape-pod bays "just in case."
>Especially if he "several" and he and Chewie were the only crew under
>normal circumstances...This would allow him to quickly hide in the cargo
>holds if need be and might trick any Imperials in a rather large space-station
>into thinking the MF was an abandoned ship when they caught it in the 
>Tractor Beam.....

Well, I agree.  But.  Except.  Didn't Han say that he never thought he'd
be smuggling himself in the hide-away compartments?  To me, the above theory
makes better sense than Han's remark, but oh well...

--
Barry Holsinger       | I ain't git'n et by no gators to make my wage!
Sunnyvale, CA         | There are better ways to make a buck in dis
beh10@DUTS.amdahl.com | nutty town!!  -Ralph Snart
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Millenium Falcon model help wanted
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: You Light Up My Life
Keywords: sells fridges, sells carpets, sells his body, etc...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:54:37 GMT

In article <92245.122048EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I'm just finishing up my MF model and I noticed something weird for the
>cargo bay in the back.  There is a panel that I'm suppoed to glue into place,
>but then there' also a part that seems to fit over it and has slots for
>placing parts which did not come with the model and are not mentioned in the
>directions (in fact this piece isn't even mentioned in the dircetions).  If
>anyone has any clue as to what I should do with it, let me know soon, since
>I'm about to finish it and need to know before I close the whole thing up...
>
>  _____)           ______        _)       _)  EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
>                               __       __    OPORTO@CORVETTE.ECE.PSU.EDU
>______    ______            ___      ___      Ernie "SHOKK" Oporto
>                               __       __    Computer Lab Attendant
>(_______ _      _ ________ _     _) _     _)  for PSU's CAC Department

Well, this sounds like it's one of the pieces that was used for the 
wiring of the original MF model.  You see, when it was first released,
it had internal lights for the cockpit, and the engines (I think). 
This sounds like one of the supports for the wiring or batteries....

Hope this helps...

	--Jerry



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From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: The official word from Lucas' mouth on the Lava pit
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BtpDyH.KKI
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Seems I'm getting into the habit of citing Lucasfilm sources etc.
as for what is canon and what isn't.
     In 1987, at the 10th Anniversary Convention in California,
George Lucas made his first convention appearance in almost ten 
years. He spoke about Willow (Which was in production at the time),
Tucker (also in production), Crusade (pre-production), and the SW 
films. One of the people in the Q&A segment asked him about the
lava pit. His answer was: It may say somewhere that Darth Vader
fell into a lava pit, but if you didn't see it in the movie, a
body can't use that as the God's honest truth. 
      As such, Owen may or may not be Ben's brother, and Palpatine
may never have been a Senator, either. For that matter, Mon Mothma
might not be the Leader of the Alliance, since she isn't referred
to as such in the films...
     Just another wrench in the works...
                                           George...
"Fear...my favorite emotional state!"
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From: kachun@spot.Colorado.EDU (Ka Chun Yu)
Subject: Another movie inspiration for Star Wars
Keywords: inspiration, Hidden Fortress, The Dam Busters
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:20:41 GMT

I just read the FAQ and would like to add some additional information on
"inspirations" Lucas used for Star Wars.

Akira Kurosawa's _The Hidden Fortress_ has already been mentioned as the
movie that inspired _Star Wars_:  two bumbling retainers, a princess, and
a general fighting against the forces of evil (another clan actually).  How-
ever except for the characters and the overall theme of an epic journey, the
plots of SW and THF are quite dissimilar.  I thought the Hidden Fortress of
the title might have been the inspiration for the Death Star, but after seeing
the movie, I now know it isn't!

(Technical similarities were mentioned also.  The most striking aspect of THF
for me was Kurosawa's use of wipe's, mostly from side to side.  The Star Wars
movies are full of wipes, as scene transitions, although they've been done
somewhat more imaginately than THF.)

The other movie that does have plot and lines lifted for use in SW is the
British _Dam Busters_.  (SPOILERS FOLLOW.)

The movie is about an Allied plan during WWII to destroy three German dams
deep in enemy territory.  A new type of bomb is developed that will skip along
the surface of the water before hitting the side of the dam nearly horizontally.
But for the bomb to skip in the water correctly, the bombers have to approach
the dams at an exact speed and altitude above the water, and the bomb has to
be released at a precise distance away from the dam.

The bombers fly in at night following the course of rivers to their targets
( => trench sequence in SW).  After arriving at the dams, the bombers one by
one attempt to make bombing runs with antiaircraft fire dancing all around 
them ( => trench sequence again).  To gauge the correct distance to the dam
before releasing the bomb, a special viewfinder has been developed where the
bombadier watches two towers on the dam come closer and appear more widely
separated until the two towers are within two separate crosshairs (actually
quite remniscient of the Rebel targetting computers when you compare the 
graphics of the two).  There are lots of misses of course before the bombers
are able to score a hit.  (Well, Gold group and Red Leader didn't make it.)
And during one of the runs, one pilot asks his co-pilot, "How many guns do
you think there are?" to which the reply is given, "About twenty guns, some
in the fields, some on the towers."

The only thing missing were enemy fighter planes actively attacking the 
bombers.  I was half asleep when watching this film, but that one line quickly
woke me up.

kachun
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From: jtodd@utkvx4.utk.edu (Todd, John Brian)
Subject: Was this scene in ROTJ or not?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:13:00 GMT

I remember reading about it in the novelization, but I never saw it in the
movie.
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:43:49 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug25.145403.17711@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au>, svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema) writes:
> I don't know if anyone else has ever thought about this (you probably have,
> but what the hell it bugs me... :)), but I keep wondering about the bit in
> Star Wars where the death star is approaching the moon with the rebel base
> on it.
> 
>  1. The death star can blow planets away
>  2. There is a planet between the death star and the moon
> 
>  3. Why not blow the planet away instead of wasting time circling it?
>     It's not as if the Empire cares about planets or people anyway...
> 
> The only thing I can think of that would stop the death star blowing the
> planet away and then the moon is if the weapon needs to be recharged, and
> even then, how long would this recharging take?

	Um, plot contrivance? :-)

Brandon Cope
From: XXX@pyra.co.uk CHANGE THIS TO YOUR NAME
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Subject: Luke in the Rancor pit
Summary: Maybe it was cut ...
Keywords: ROTJ Luke Rancor
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:07:04 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.


Folks,

Replying  to Olli who asked a question concerning Luke in the Rancor pit in
ROTJ  :  he is correct in that this takes place in the novelisation but not
in the film.  As to whether this piece was filmed and subsequently cut, I'm
afraid I don't know.

For those of you who want to know what happens in the novelisation :-

1.  Luke and Gamorrean Guard fall into Rancor pit.
2.  Rancor makes hors d'oeuvres of Gamorrean Guard.
3.  Rancor advances upon Luke thinking "Aha, entrees !"
4.  Luke jumps over Rancor - a distance of some 8 metres if memory serves -
    to hang from a grating over the pit.
5.  Two  Jawas smash Luke's knuckles with weapon butts forcing him to  fall
    once more into the pit.
6.  The action continues much as in the film ...

Apologies  if  my memory isn't that good.  As to whether this is "canon"  -
well,  that's  sump'n  else !  I find my dictionary's definition  of  canon
makes this sort of discussion rather academic.

Well folks, that's all I know on this one. Any further ideas ?

All the best everyone,

Hugh.
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:03:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Sep3.150346.27252
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <BtyIw6.64I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>My best guess is that Vader used his Force powers to suppress those of
>the Emperor.  Granted, the Emperor is more powerful than Vader, but
[Deletions]
>I dunno, just a guess.  On a related topic, why did Luke fall into the
>Rancor pit when he could've levitated himself as soon as he realized 
>that the floor had dropped out from under him?

	In both cases, I feel, the person falling was:

	A) being a bit too over-confident

and

	B) Totally caught off guard...

Remember how cocky Luke was acting? Then when the pit opened up he was caught
totally off guard, not a good time to concentrate on the force in order
to levitate.  Likewise, the Emperor was sure he'd beaten the Rebellion and
was in the process of killing a helpless Luke.  He didn't expect DV to toss
him down the shaft, and was too shocked to do anything about it before dying.
This is all IMHO!
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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Empire / RotJ scripts ?
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 09:31:14 GMT

MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart) writes:

>Can anyone post the scripts for Empire or Jedi?  Star Wars has been
>up two or three times already, but I haven't seen the others.
> 
>-- mason

All three movie scripts are available for purchase from Script City
800-676-2522 for about $17 each. The scripts contain numerous interesting
tidbits and are well worth the purchase price.

					Greg Martin,
					g-martin1@uiuc.edu
From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:54 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <jh1eg6w@Unify.Com> tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>Wouldn't it be interesting if George Lucas has been posting here under an
>assumed name, having some fun with us?  :)

It would make the "I'm sure I saw that once" arguments more interesting.

				:) George, erm, Dave LeCompte :)


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From: cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey)
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling down (Getting?) the Shaft
Keywords: cocky
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:30:27 GMT

In article <67630@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>The Emperor wasn't just cocky, he seemed almost giddy with the prospect of
>killing Luke with his lightning.  Check out the look on his face, how he
>grits his teeth each time he cuts loose with those bolts.  Also, check him
>out as he's falling down (getting) the shaft, I haven't seen RotJ in some
>time, but I seem to remember him still shooting bolts of lightning out
>his hands as he falls all the way down.  Maybe he was so intent in killing
>Luke that when he tried to manipulate the Force in other ways (levitation)
>it just came out as lightning.  I don't even believe this explanation, but
>so what, the Emperor is so amusing in his cockiness, the whole thing doesn't
>really bother me.  As Luke said,"Your overconfidence is your weakness."
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

followed by the best come-back line in the entire epic...

  Emporer :: Your faith in your friends is yours...

>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu

I believe it was the element of surprise, the Emporer didn't sense it
coming, and Vader acted spontaniously out of emotion.  The fact that
Vader had no facial expressions, you could tell the rage building in
him.  I actually like the scene.


   Crimson...


"Aren't you a little short for a stormtropper ??"  ..Leia, StarWars

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