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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:31:43 PDT
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From:         Zitan Chen <esri!star!zitan@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject: Re: uniform points on sphere
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>
>
>The sphere approximation algorithm I posted earlier
>was wrong.
>
>This is the correct way to subdivide each triangle:
>
>		/\
>	       /  \
>	      /____\
>	     /\    /\
>	    /  \  /  \
>	   /____\/____\
>
>Thanks to Jay Sandhu for pointing this out.
>
>Jim TenBrink
>jtenbrink@esri.com
>my thoughts are my own
>

Note:

The behavior of the previous subdivision of a triangle is
different on a plane or on sphere.

On a plane, the subdivision is perfect regular decomposition.
All four triangles are equal size and shape, and keep going if
continuously do subdivision for each sub-triangle.

On a sphere, for a general case, the four triangles are not equal
size and shape any more.

Zitan Chen, ESRI
zchen@esri.com
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:46:16 EDT
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From:         Duane F Marble <dmarble@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Two New Books

Today's mail contains announcements of two new books from Belhaven
Press (CRC Press in North America). They are:

Worrall, Les (ed.)
  GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS: DEVELOPMENT AND APPLICATION

Ten articles plus an index for $79.95 (CRC price). Addresses GIS
applications in Europe, Vermont, Hong Kong, etc. 256 pp. No ISBN.

Worrall, Les (ed.)
  SPATIAL ANALYSIS AND SPATIAL POLICY USING GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS

Ten articles plus an index for $79.95 (CRC price). Covers such topics
as GIS in British Local Government, Aerial (sic!) Units and the Linking
of Data, GIS for Telecommunications Planning and Management, Telford
Urban Policy Information Systems Project, etc. 224 pp. ISBN 1-85293-
141-8.

--
Duane F. Marble            E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Dept. of Geography
The Ohio State University  Telephone:  (614) 292-2250
Columbus, OH 43220         Fax:  (614) 292-6213
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From: kanarick@media.mit.edu (Craig M. Kanarick)
Subject: Point in country routine?
Organization: The Visible Language Workshop
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:12:07 GMT

I was wondering if anyone had a nice little routine that given a
location in lat/long would return the name of the country?


Please send email, as I don't read this often enough....

Thanks,

-- cmk

Craig M. Kanarick
Visible Language Workshop
MIT Media Lab

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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Request for Experiences (was Arc, X, and emulators)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:36:49 GMT

In <GIS-L%92090103452952@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Peter Halls <PJH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK> writes:

>The *ONLY* solution that I can think of is for interested sites to post a
>Request For Experiences - and for each of us with experience to reply

 It's an idea.  But many companies publish lists of supported equipment.

 But I have a "Request for Experience".

 We're running Arc/Info v6 on a DECStation 5000/200, and it's working
pretty good most of the time.  But every once in a while this annoying
bug occurs:

 Sometimes when going into Arcedit if I move the mouse pointer into the
graphics window the screen will blank out.

 I should point out that I have Autofocus on, and so that it is actually
when the window is focused that this happens.

 We have better luck of this not happening if we leave the mouse pointer
alone and focused in the arc text window.  If it does happen, we need
to exit arcedit, and come back in again.

 It's just getting to be very annoying.  We don't have this problem with
DS 3100's or Personal DS 5000/25.

 If anybody has encountered this, or has any tips on what might be causing
the problem... I'd very much appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks,
Steve
-- 
Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu
Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429

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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:10:07 EST
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From:         David Wong <DWONG@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Universal use of GIS
              26 Aug 1992 16:18:03 GMT from <charles@ESSENTIAL.O RG>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:18:03 GMT Charles Bennington said:
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~
>
>Why do people involved in GIS keep calling people not involved in GIS "common"?
>The non-GIS-public are neither monkeys nor are they any other object used in
>the many analogies people seem to be bringing up.  I'm sorry to keep on this
>particular thread, but it seems that there is a fair prejudice implied in most
>of the User Interface discussion so far.  All it takes to utilize GIS is
>education.  A competent user interface which supports that learning process
>would enable any old monkey to understand spatial problem solving.  A well

Maybe I did not follow your argument closely, but if 'any old monkey' is
any 'monkey', then you are claiming that a 'competent' user interface can
TEACH spatial problem solving and a large portion of subscribers on GIS-L
who are teaching professionals can be replaced by the interface. My I reading
your statement correctly?

>designed user interface would allow experienced (ivory-tower-bound?) users to
>develop new approaches to GIS.  Once a user interface exists which encourages
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Excuse me of my ignorance, what are 'new approaches to GIS'? Could you
elaborate? Hope that I am not side-tracking the issue.

>more people to use GIS, the field will only improve.
>
>Honestly, this is the last time I will bring this up.
>--
>Charles Bennington
>Essential Information		|	Domain: charles@essential.org
>(202)387-8030			|	UUCP:	uunet!essential!charles

David Wong
U. Connecticut
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:54:33 EDT
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From:         David_Douglas <DHDAD@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Calculation of Distance from UTM Grid

          2     2    2
         D  = dx + dy
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From: lbgjd@rivm.nl (Josh Dorf)
Subject: DIGEST format
Organization: RIVM, Bilthoven, Netherlands
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:10:55 GMT

Does anyone know about the DIGEST format for geographical data? Any
information on this format would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Josh
Josh Dorf  lbgjd@rivm38.rivm.nl
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From: wivey@ncsc.org (William Ivey)
Subject: GIS software for MacIntosh 
Reply-To: wivey@ncsc.org (William Ivey)
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:15:23 GMT

Can anyone tell me what GIS packages are available for the Mac?
Sorry, I know I've seen this question(and answer) posted before, but I
forgot to save it. 

Thanks so much,


William Ivey
North Carolina Super Computing Center
wivey@ncsc.org

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:58:00 EDT
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From:         David_Douglas <DHDAD@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      things I (maybe) should know

It was nice to get the FAQ and find the wonderful goodies available.
I was on a long phone call so I thought I should take the opportunity to
ftp one of the sites and get a file I have been wanting for a long time.
I did, 3 mega bytes. After my long phone call and two coffee breaks
I looked at it with some dismay to see a binary file, ... thus
unreadable with any lister I knew. Next step, the "if all else fails"
step, I got on the net again to ftp the "readme" file nearest the one I
wanted. This is what I got.
=======================================================================

USmap.Z is US map data all the way down to the county level and was
originally for a versatec plotter, but we don't seem to have
a program that uses the data anymore.

We think someone should be able to write a program to process it
based on the format (someone here was once able to decipher some
bits of it), but it's not likely to happen at UUNET.

archive@uunet.uu.net
=====================================================================
My question:
Do other people on GIS-L think that this is the sort of thing we should
use the network for? I know the people making this available meant well.
However, at the very least I think we should filter this sort of thing
from our FAQ.  If it IS listed in a FAQ file, thus sounds like just
EVERYONE should have, or already has it, then I would like it to be accompanied
by a description written by someone who can also describe
in detail how HE already USED it. The trouble is we usually end up seeing
      ...

And yes, I will make a habit to obtain the readme file first.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:13:14 +1000
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From:         jhr@GDWB.OZ.AU
Subject:      Re: GIS FTP sites
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from Lisa Wolfisch Nyman's signature (on gis-l)::

>Lisa Wolfisch Nyman         "Life is too short to wear ugly underwear."
>lingling@wor.umd.edu
>Just remember, geographers do it in places unknown to the general public.
>New from Dweeb Publishers: Memoirs of a Workstation Widow, Oh the Agony of It


Yes, but it's us Cartographers that find you geographers, and see
that you still have ugly undewear.


; )



Julien


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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:09:56 PDT
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From:         Barry Zickuhr <esri!merlin!barry@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
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I'm not sure where the idea that we "discourage the use of X-windows as
the interface of choice" came from.  The windowing systems that Arc
runs under - OpenWindows and Motif - are 100% X11R4.  In fact, we have
several X-terminals, and PCs and Macs running X-terminal emulation
right here in Technical Support.  Since all the UNIX systems that Arc
runs on are X-compatible, we actually find these terminals/emulators
quite versatile.

The confusion may result from the fact that it would be very difficult
for us to test all possible emulators and graphic devices on the
multitude of platforms we support.  Add to this the individual problems
that may arise between the PC and the emulation package, and it becomes
virtually impossible to provide full support for terminal emulation
packages.  Because of this, we do not include "class 1" support for these
packages.  Basically, if we do not have your specific configuration in
house, we can't issue a blanket guarantee that it will work correctly for
you.

However, we do know of several packages that work quite well. but I
will refrain from listing them here, because each has its own unique
benefits and quirks.  Some things to look for are in an X emulation
package are: 1) X11R4 compatible  2) supports 256 colors, and 3) has
font support for the system you are connecting to.  Over time, our list
gets longer of devices and emulators that are being used successfully
with ARC/INFO, their limitations and special configuration issues,
as well as our list of emulators that just may not work.

I encourage you to contact your local ESRI distributor for specific
information on packages that we have identified to work with your
configuration.  I would also strongly recommend that you "try before you
buy".  Many software distributors have "demo" versions that you can
test before you commit to buying.

If you have problems connecting a particular package, or terminal,
please write to support@esri.com.  We are here to help you work through
many of these situations.


Barry Zickuhr
bzickuhr@esri.com
ESRI Technical Support
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:05:02 GMT
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:21:27 -0500
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From:         RALENT@AMHERST.BITNET
Subject:      Line lengths in Idrisi

This is probably a dumb question, but can anyone tell me
how to compute line lengths in Idrisi?  Can Idrisi calculate
lengths of lines stored in a vector file, like some vector
digitizing packages (e.g., Capture, from U-Georgia) can do?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Rich Lent
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From: rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bob McKay)
Subject: Re: The Future of International Conferences (AC & ISSDH)
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:32:54 GMT

wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
>The problem is picking a form that is powerful and universally
>available.  My papers are now produced with LaTeX, incorporating
>equations, figures, graphs, and raster images, and outputting PostScript
>intended for a printer of at least 300 dpi resolution.  I would not want
>just the ASCII text distributed after I'd spent all that time on the
>graphics.  Even a fax quality transmission would lose a lot.

Would transmission of the ASCII text with a pointer to an FTP site holding
the PostScript file be an appropriate solution? The ASCII text should surely be 
sufficient for any reader to determine whether they are interested enough to 
bother FTPing the full paper (300 dpi PS printers are pretty thick on the 
ground these days).
-- 
Bob McKay		   	Phone:	+61 6 268 8169	    fax: +61 6 268 8581
Dept. Computer Science		Internet:	rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:21:12 LCL
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From:         P05193@PRIME-A.PLYMOUTH.AC.UK
Subject:      DR DOS and ARC/INFO

Dear Networkers,
     Does anybody out there have any experience in running PC ARC/INFO 3.4D
under DR DOS ? Our computing service here is in the mood for change but I
vaguely remember seeing something about problems in such a combination. Many
thanks in anticipation of your help. Please reply directly to me.

Wieslaw
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:09:00 CDT
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From:         Y13MXJ1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      RE: electronic atlases

You may contact Prof. Ferjan Ormeling at Utrecht University of
Netherland. He has done a considerable amount of research on
electronic atlases.  His e-mail address is karto@cc.ruu.nl

Minhe Ji
Center for Governmental Studies
Northern Illinois University
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From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: uniform points on sphere
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:42:34 GMT

Vince Angelo <esri!reston!vince@UUNET.UU.NET> writes:

>PS: I could get my code tracked down, but it would be Mid-September before
>    the guy with the tape makes it back to his desk.  E-Mail me if you're
>    desperate.  VA :}

If you're _really_,_really_ desparate, I remember seeing formulae for this
in a book on Geodesic Domes once, back when I was a "late hippy"  (ie. I was
into building Domes in 1980!)  It was _probably_ "The Dome Book", a very
large sized reference book.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
A Vogon is not above a little greed and corruption in much the same way as the
ocean is not above the clouds.
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From:         Indiana Jones <navanax@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Universal use of GIS
X-To:         GIS-L%UBVM.BITNET@uwavm.u.washington.edu

   I find it interesting that all of this user interface talk is going on
in GIS-L. Is this issue so fundamental at this time that it can't be
properly contained in UIGIS-L?? Perhaps some people should subscribe to
UIGIS-L so we can get the discussions moving in there (which have weeks
of 'dead' time lately). I'm not saying the issue is trivial and shouldn't
be discussed - heck, UIGIS is what all my research involves. But it seems
like the issue IS very critical to an audience much much wider and richer
than the UIGIS crowd. Just an observation...
   Another comment I'd like to interject here. There's so much talk about
vendors designing the 'best' interface and making concessions to certain
groups of users, etc., etc. It seems obvious to me that a GIS interface
designed for a 'professional' user is going to be markedly different from
that for a 'novice' or afor a public GIS kiosk. Is there a problem with
this approach? Who says we have to find the Perfect Interface for GIS,
one that will be applicable in all realms of groups and tasks? Why don't
we stop being led so much by the trends in the computer industry and
start concentrating on the nature of the PROBLEMS we deal with in GIS?
A problem-oriented approach to user interface will then concentrate efforts
on properly presenting the problem to be solved or enlightened, so that
the user can then utilize the interface as a problem-solving mechanism.
The interface will not solve the problem by itself - people solve the
problem. An approach which truly realizes this and starts to appreciate the
wide variety of problems/tasks and users that exist will probably yield the
more useful results in an interface.
   Think about human-problem interaction, not necessarily human-computer
interface...

   Tom Edwards
   University of Washington
   Dept. of Geography
   navanax@milton.u.washington.edu
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:38:46 GMT
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From:         dcampos@HALCON.DPI.UDEC.CL
Subject:      Summary of gis state of art.
X-To:         gis-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

May someone provide me some references to a good summary about actual
trends and research in gis? (Computer sources are welcome! :-)

Daniel Campos
Universidad de Concepcion, Depto. Ing. de Sistemas
Internet : dcampos@halcon.dpi.UDEC.cl
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From: einhorn@apsicc.aps.edu (The Einhorn Family)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis,comp.ai.neural-nets,sci.image.processing
Subject: Neural Nets applied to GIS?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:17:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Has anybody used neural networks to examine remote sensing images
and map layers in a GIS (Geographical Information System)?  We are
hoping to use them to find archaeolgical sites, but any application
to GIS problems is of interest.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:50:18 PDT
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From:         Barry Zickuhr <esri!merlin!barry@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
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Rob, don't worry about those of us in Technical Support, we don't
bruise too easily.

I just wanted to make clear that ESRI DOES know of X-emulation solutions
that will work for you.  We just can't publish a list of them because
of all the variables involved.  If I say that XYZ emulation package
works with Decstations, someone is going to find a way that it doesn't
and call us.  I'm not sure where that would put us legally, but I would
rather avoid the whole issue.  It would be better for them to call their
local ESRI office, explain their configuration, and we can help with brand
names and configuration requirements.  I still maintain that the best
possible solution is to get a demo in and try it.  If the vendor won't
allow this, then maybe it would be good idea to look elsewhere.

If someone ELSE has had experience with certain brand names and products
that do work, please send those to GIS-L.  We maintain a list and would
love to add other products that are known to work.

Barry Zickuhr
ESRI Technical Support
bzickuhr@esri.com
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:09:50 PDT
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From:         Jim Tenbrink <esri!harley!jimt@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      uniform points on sphere
X-To:         uunet!UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu!GIS-L@uunet.UU.NET

The sphere approximation algorithm I posted earlier
was wrong.

This is the correct way to subdivide each triangle:

		/\
	       /  \
	      /____\
	     /\    /\
	    /  \  /  \
	   /____\/____\

Thanks to Jay Sandhu for pointing this out.

Jim TenBrink
jtenbrink@esri.com
my thoughts are my own
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:14:45 -0400
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From:         hoffmann@URZDFN.KARTOGRAPHIE.TU-DRESDEN.DBP.DE
Subject:      Canadian Geomatics (?) Inc.
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I am seeking for an mail/email address of Canadian firm Geomatics Inc. (I am
not sure of the right name) in connection with environmental activities in
eastern Germany.
Can anybody help with info's about ?
Frank Hoffmann,
TU Dresden

(direct email contact wanted)
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