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From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: To Clinton with love
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:01:34 GMT

        BILL CLINTON STATUE COMMITTEE
        1040 Buloo Street
        Little Rock, Arkansas 72205

Dear Friend,

We have the distinguished honor of being on the committee for raising
five million dollars to place a statue of Bill Clinton in the Hall of
Fame in Washington, D.C.

This committee was in quandary as to where to place the statue, we
decided that it was not wise to place it beside the statue of George
Washington who never told a lie nor beside the statue of Jessie
Jackson who never told the truth since Bill Clinton could never tell
the difference.

We finally decided to place it beside Christopher Columbus, the
greatest Democrat of all. He left not knowing where he was going, and
did not know where he was. He returned not knowing where he had been
and did it all on borrowed money.

Over 5,000 years ago, Moses said to the Children of Israel, "Pick up
your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the
Promised Land." Nearly 5,000 years later, Roosevelt said, "Lay down
your shovel, sit on your asses and light up a Camel, this is the
Promised Land."

Now Bill Clinton is going to steal your shovels, kick your asses,
raise the price of Camels and mortgage the Promised Land. If you are
one of the fortunate people who has anything left after paying taxes,
we expect a generous contribution to this worthwhile project.


Fraternally,

The Bill Clinton Statue Committee

P.S. It is said that Bill Clinton is changing the Democratic Party
emblem from a donkey to a condom because it stands for inflation,
protects a bunch of pricks, halts production and gives a false sense
of security while being screwed.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Subject: Re: Internet and the Prez
Keywords: Let's ask!
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:51:45 GMT

In article <1db5nmINNish@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>With all the talk about staying involved, etc., don't you
>think it would be wise to perhaps ask the Clinton admini-
>stration to stay in touch with the internet community?

Yes.  I have taken the liberty of cross-posting this to 
alt.politics.clinton.  Would someone over there kindly
see if Mr. Clinton (or Mr. Gore) will look at this?

> [audience description deleted]
>
>I would like to see something like the following, for example:
>
>us.gov.announce.appts	- Appointments by the Pres, etc.
>us.gov.announce.senate	- Bills currently on the Senate Floor
>us.gov.announce.house	- Bills currently on the House Floor
>us.gov.votes.senate	- Voting records for the Senate
>us.gov.votes.house	- Same, for the House
>us.gov.bills.pres	- Bills passed, and on the President's desk
>us.gov.bills.status	- Same, but what he has signed/vetoed
>us.gov.questions	- Questions from John Doe about bills
>us.gov.answers		- Digest of answers to questions
>us.gov.concerns		- Opinions about bills, general concerns
>us.gov.replies		- Digest of answers to concerns
>
>I believe that while it is our responsibility to monitor
>our government, it is at the same time our government's
>responsibility to make that monitoring and expression of
>concerns easier for us. This process has not inproved
>much in my recent memory, and there are alot of things
>that could be done to expedite it.

Absolutely!

The most critical items in this list in my opinion are 
the 2nd through 5th.

Bill Clinton could certainly eliminate much skepticism amongst
Perot supporters and the public at large about his real stand 
on government reform were such information made available.

Many Perot supporters fully intend to proceed with our attempts 
to regain control of our government.

PLEASE HELP US, PRESIDENT-ELECT CLINTON!

>I'm sure that if the right people were made aware of the
>government's willingness (provided it is willing), the nec-
>essary resources would likely be donated (machines, modems,
>uunet subscription, ...). I would donate my time for install-
>ation/configuration/training, and I'm sure others would, as
>well.
>
>I think that if enough people say that access to our government
>should be brought into line with current technology, then there
>is no way that it can be refused, politically speaking. The ben-
>efits would far outweigh any costs associated with such an und-
>ertaking.
>
>What do you all think?
>-- Mike

Outstanding suggestions, Mike!  I really hope the Clinton
folks will pay some attention to your requests.

Again, is there anyone over there in the alt.politics.clinton
group who knows how to properly forward this request to someone
who can bring it to Mr. Clinton's attention?

You have MY permission; but you really ought to email Mike
as I did not get his...

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite)
Subject: Re: Evaluating Ross Perot
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:42:22 GMT

In <92wccln@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:

>This morning's Sacramento Bee (11/6) had a very interesting set of figures,
>the amount of money each candidate spent.  Bush spent something like $129
>million, Clinton $112 million, and Perot $59 million.  *Per vote* (the really
>interesting figures IMO), Clinton spent about $2.50, Bush about $2.95, and
>Perot about $3.08.  In short, the *low* spender won the election.

I'm sorry, your interest in that feature of the numbers doesn't make any
sense to me.  You don't spend money to convince people who are already
going to vote for you, you spend it on the undecideds and those who are
planning to vote for someone else.  So if you want to quote per-vote
figures you should count the number who ended up switching to your side
and perhaps even include those who voted against you in the count.

-- Trevor Bourget (trevor@telesoft.com)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton
From: elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster)
Subject: Electronic gov. info. (was: Re: Internet and the Prez)
Keywords: Let's ask!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:01:49 GMT

In article <1db5nmINNish@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>With all the talk about staying involved, etc., don't you
>think it would be wise to perhaps ask the Clinton admini-
>stration to stay in touch with the internet community?

.... [followed by some suggested newsgroup names]

>What do you all think?
>

I do like the idea of haveing newsgroups or e-mail addresses people
could MAIL/POST opinions TO. As for the Government making info. available
as to the latest happenings (propositions, House and Senate votes, etc),
I think they should follow the suit of another government branch, namely
the NSF.

The NSF already has an electronic publishing system called STIS -- The
Science and Technology Information System.  Anyone can use it to get fast,
24-hour data on many NSF activities, such as:
        - NSF program announcements and "how-to" grants booklets
        - grant lists and summaries
        - press releases, feature stories, tipsheets for the media
        - newsletter & periodicals (e.g. NSF Bulletin, NSF Directions)
        - catalogs & directories (annual guide to programs, NSF tel. book)
        - vacancy announcements, NSF organizational information
        - news on international science & technology
        - NSF Annual Report, National Science Board special reports


You may also subscribe to a mailing list that will send you weekly NSF
announcement updates. 

The nice thing about STIS is that in addition to being accessible through
Internet (via "telnet" or "rlogin"), Bitnet (via e-mail), and a modem pool,
the same info. can be retrieved via WAIS (Wide Area Information Service)
for those with access to such systems. (WAIS has a nicer interface and more
features, but can be very slow.)

All documents can also be ftp-ed by loggin in as "anonymous" to stis.nsf.gov

HOW ABOUT SOME fgis.white_house.gov, fgis.us_senate.gov, etc. SITES?
(fgis = Federal Goverment Informaton System -- accronym suggested by
your truely :-))

						Anne C. Elster
						elster@cs.cornell.edu
	CLINTON/GORE ==> ROSS NEEDED MORE!

P.s. If you're interested in more info. on STIS, ftp as anonymous to
     ftp.cs.cornell.edu and grab "~ftp/pub/elster/perot/stis.info".
     The directory also contains some tid-bits collected durint the 
     campaign.







Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: EDS Personel Policies
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:40:23 GMT

In article <BxIwu5.Cyz@access.digex.com> dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey) writes:
>In article <3675@news.cerf.net> cjk@nic.cerf.net writes:
>>In article <2AFDF78F.23670@news.service.uci.edu> stieglit@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeff Stieglitz) writes:
>>>I've heard that EDS has quite a personel policy handbook which governs 
>>>employee behavior and dress.
>>>
>>So does IBM, DEC, ATT, HP, SLB, ML.  In fact a personel policy
>>is just about standard issue with any company you work for.  And
>>they generly reflect the character and attitude of the
>>company and its employees.  If your looking for dirt,
>>you won't find anything hear.
>
>Many companies have guidelines.  I worked with EDS on a project
>(I was working for a unit of ITT at the time) and the EDS guys 
>and gals were a pretty nice, sharp groups of people.  They dressed
>well and represented their firm well during business hours, partied
>after hours with the best of them and wore jeans and t-shirts into
>the office on the weekend just like everyone else.  So what's the
>problem?  
>Doug


problem is first of all:
working on weekends?  oh, so you can dress comfy during overtime hours which
you are not being paid for!(i have 3 friends that worked at eds and they 
treat employees as ground-up sausage meat units...of course...that is why 
they all quit!)

2nd:  how you dress has nothing to do with how competent you are or what kind
of job you do.  many companies are *finally* figuring this *secret* out.
this year at the engineering job fair over 90% of the companies had people
wearing slacks and pullover shirts ...some with company name/logo on them...
anyway i talked to many of them that said they are allowing that type of dress
at the company cause...duh...people are more relaxed and work better and seem
to get more work done(some cited some studies that proved this).  anyway..
the eds weasel admitted that they just dressed that way for recruiting but
once you go to work you better have the suit on and the tie up to your adam's
apple as you type the cobol code  while sitting in your cube!
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Why We Should Get Rid Of Clinton
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:01:33 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Nov5.031515.2462@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu () writes:
>jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>
>>In article <92309.123223MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu> MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu write
>:
>>>Here are the top 5 reasons why I think we should get rid of Clinton.
>>>
>>> him into lifting the embargoes on them.  Which, spells another Affair 
>f some
>
>>[Large amounts of crap deleted]
>
>>What a wanker!
>
>>'nuff said.
>
>
>Is this typical of the people that voted for Mr. Perot?

	Not really...
>
>If so I didnt realize that there was so many absolute and total morons in
>the world.  
>
>Maybe they are all related and the product of inbreeding.
>
>Do you think we can convince them to go off and form there own cult down
>in Guyana......and drink some kool aid?

But then again, I guess you're no statesman, either.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: As usual, a good investment
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:57:22 GMT

In article <Bx9wno.GC2@access.digex.com> dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey) writes:
>This is the first time in a LONG time that a third party has been
>this effective.  How effective?  One point shy of 20%, folks.  That
>is one in every 5 people.  The popular vote margin betwen Clinton and
>Bush was a 2 or 3 million, Perot had almost 9 million votes.  

Doug, you probablt meant 19 million votes. This is quite a significant
amount which cannot be ignored by the major parties. A viable third 
party is long over due in this country and is desperately needed to
introduce competition into the political process. 


>Not a bad buy for $50 million ;-)  And no taxpayer cash in there
>either, as it should be.

Exactly!

John Korman
Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:5268 alt.politics.elections:22974 alt.politics.clinton:16211 alt.politics.bush:13413
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Evaluating Ross Perot
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:58:46 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <MATT.92Oct27100944@physics.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
>
> ... now Perot is running a big media blitz for his candidacy, just
>like any other politician.  His campaign is no different in principle
>than any other---just much better financed.  He is outspending Clinton
>more than four to one, so of course he is more visible now....

This morning's Sacramento Bee (11/6) had a very interesting set of figures,
the amount of money each candidate spent.  Bush spent something like $129
million, Clinton $112 million, and Perot $59 million.  *Per vote* (the really
interesting figures IMO), Clinton spent about $2.50, Bush about $2.95, and
Perot about $3.08.  In short, the *low* spender won the election.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244		--------------------+
| "Science, as actually practiced, is a complex dialogue between data and   |
| preconceptions."				- Steven Jay Gould	    |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united.we.stand
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:02:10 GMT

Please read the FAQ on `How to Create a New Alt Group,' posted
periodically to alt.config and news.answers.
alt.politics.united.we.stand is not a good name for the proposed
group: periods should be used as topic separators, not merely to join
words together.  Such a group should also begin with
`alt.politics.usa' in any case.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: The wind beneath my wing
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:53:15 GMT

I only saw part of perot's speech on election nite.
every time i saw him b4 that  he had a big Alfred Neuman smile.
and its hard to forget the expression on his face that nite.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jce@ferris.cray.com (John Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: The day the sun quit shining
Originator: jce@ferris
Reply-To: jce@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:16:59 CST


In article <1992Nov5.220111.9377@u.washington.edu>, canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow) writes:
> i was at our local perot supporters party on election nite and one lady  
> said, "Clinton will never be my president." and that echoed inside me.
> The reality of Perot's defeat is just now begining to sink in.

Wait a minute:

   I heard Perot himself say we could all take 10 minutes to feel the frustration
of defeat, but that then it's time do get together. Remember? Divided teams lose,
United teams win. There is a lot of work for all of us to do. We really don't
have time for this kind of sentiment. Perot really did accomplish quite a bit,
and its up to all of us to keep it going.

   We really need to get behind Clinton and work for the change we want to see.
If we can do that there's a good chance to see progress toward a lot of the
things that Perot was pushing for. Or, we can sit back and wait for impending
doom - but then we are part of the problem too. 

   Our ten minutes are up. Time to get to work.

John.
jce@cray.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: The day the sun quit shining
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:01:11 GMT

i was at our local perot supporters party on election nite and one lady  
said, "Clinton will never be my president." and that echoed inside me.
The reality of Perot's defeat is just now begining to sink in.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Re: STATUS UPDATE/United We Stand/Perot '92
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:01:41 GMT

For those who wanted the snail-mail address of United We Stand, America
headquarters:

             6606 LBJ Freeway
             Suite 150
             Dallas, TX  75240
             1-800-685-7777

And did ya'll know Perot's on 20/20 tonite w/ Baba Wawa?

-- 
Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government.
From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: UNITED WE STAND MASCOT ISSUE
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:50:20 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

  *-Greetings to Perot supporters and United We Stand advocators-*
***********************                    ***************************
I think that since the UNITED WE STAND campaign is turning itself
into a political organization, it's time we of the internet take
time to pause and reflect.....

	What would be a good mascot?

The Democrats have the 'ass'  B^) (sorry, couldn't resist that) while
the Republicans have the lumbering elephant.  OK...

Now, the first thing that comes to my mind, is, of course, the oyster.
This is symbolic of the sand (all of us) making the irritations to 
produce pearls (good benefits) from the oyster (the system).

Another mascot idea comes to mind...the bull dog...or better yet, the
yard dog mut.  One that barks and growls and causes people to wake up
and listen.  One that sounds the alarm when something isn't right.

Anyone have a thought on the mascot issue?  
-Pamela Cho-
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: How to Contact United We Stand
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:21:03 GMT

turney@kenyon.edu writes:

>If you are interested in contacting United We Stand to get your name on the
>mailing list and/or communicate your ideas for the future direction of the
>organization,

>	Phone:	1-800-685-7777

This number doesn't work from everywhere, South Carolina for example. I
had to dial 214.960.9100. Also, they have a fax number you can use
to send your name in: 214.716.6552. 

-Mike
From: alan@uts.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: How to Contact United We Stand
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:51:50 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I am interested in getting a Perot '96 bumper
sticker!!  If Ross can wave one as he concedes
I want one just to make it clear to people
where I stand.  I hate two aspects of Clinton
supporters.

1)  You Perot voters "spoiled" Bill's victory
    by making him win with less than a majority.

   [Perhaps it is true that 57% of the people
    don't want Bill Clinton]

2)  Snide remarks like "don't you think the
    economy will get better now?"

   [Not a chance!]

Peace

Perot in 96


-- 
Alan Bomberger     | (408)-992-2748  | alan@uts.amdahl.com
Amdahl Corporation | Opinions are free, worth it, and not Amdahl's

-- 
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Amdahl Corporation | Opinions are free, worth it, and not Amdahl's
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 1992 22:55:29 -0500 
From: Thomas Oligino <to0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Evaluating Ross Perot
	<92wccln@Unify.Com>

He's a KooK!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.config
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united.we.stand
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:33:54 GMT


  I like the idea of keeping the current newsgroup alt.politics.perot
  instead of starting a new one.  While a new group may have a more 
  general and appropriate title, the current newsgroup has the 
  advantage of being already received by a lot of Usenet sites and
  read by hundreds of subscribers because of the interest in the
  election.  A new newsgroup would probably not get as large a number
  of feeds and subscribers.
  ==

  Bob

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dtiberio@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: UNITED WE STAND MASCOT ISSUE
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:10:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.174013.13382@kpc.com> emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>How about a Mr. Pototo Head? If you use a near-spherical Potato, it'd probably
		 ^^^^^^
	Never heard of Mr Pototo Head. Sue that wouldn't be Dan Quayl?

>resemble Perot pretty closely.


	
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:53:12 GMT

byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
|| We should start looking for the
|| pork, pointing it out to the press, and demanding that they speak
|| up about it.

barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman) writes:
| I think Perot should form a group to do that, and present it
| himself on a weekly TV show, rather than relying on the 
| traditional mass media, which are too entertainment driven
| to hammer home a point.

  At the very least, he should do an hour on Larry King every two or
  three months and tell us what's happening with the debt, the job base
  and the competitiveness of our key industries, political corruption
  and lobbyists, healthcare, etc.   And he should bring his flip-charts
  along, too.
  ==

  Bob


  
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dilmore@cray.com (Robert J. Dilmore)
Subject: Ross's thank you
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:56:47 CST

   Our state office in Annapolis Maryland was called by a lady
who said she had been called by Ross. She smelled a crack pot
and called to see if they had heard anything about this. The
office called headquarters and found out that Ross had called
one person in every state. He told her that he would contact
her and personally thank her for her support after the election.
   Two days later the lady called the Annapolis office again, she
said that the Western Union had dropped off a telegram from Ross
saying that he had tryed to contact her and he wrote this little
poem:

      Roses are Red
      Violets are blue
      Thank god we have people in America like you

   United We Stand America

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot