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From: Carmen.Gervet@cediag.bull.fr (Carmen.Gervet)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: Problems with byoyomi on IGS?
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:34:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cediag Bull S.A., Louveciennes, France
In-reply-to: dag@falcon19.rec's message of 26 Aug 92 09:27:22 GMT


This  is  not  an  answer at all to your question ! But another question.  How
could I get connected to igs ? Or how did you manage to get connected to it ? 

Thanks in advance.

Carmen Gervet
email: C.Gervet@frlv.bull.fr
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From: dag@falcon19.rec (Dag von Arnold)
Subject: Problems with byoyomi on IGS?
Organization: /home/beppe/dag/.organization
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:27:22 GMT


Does anybody know if there is a problem with byoyomi on igs?

I have lost 3 games on time without knowing I was in byoyomi or without 
beeing in byoyomi. 

No, I am not running a client that shows the time constantly. I run
GoServant for the Mac (an excellent program) and I issue the time command
quite often when I know its needed.

So my question is if it is possible not to go into byoyomi without beeing told so,
or, just lose on time and not receive any byoyomi.

dagge

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email: dag@beppe.ericsson.se
From: olevnmr@chem.ualberta.ca (olevnmr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Self-Ranking?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:53:06 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

Being rather new to go, I was interested in finding determining my ranking.
I went through the self test game (downloaded from milton) and scored myself,
but now have no idea how to translate that score to an (approximate) rank.
How do I do this?
 
Colin (waiting for a rank to put here :-)
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From: jeffrey@iastate.edu (Jeffrey L Biggus)
Subject: chicago
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:28:37 GMT

does anyone know of go clubs and orgs in chicago area?

email: jeffrey@iastate,edu

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From: krb@krb.fluent.UUCP (Ken Blake)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: Go variant: Surprise Go (was: ...-spiel games.)
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:26:48 GMT
Organization: creare.x Inc., Hanover NH

This is very similar to the game "crazy go" which I first saw at the 
previous U.S. Go congress, organized by Bob High.  The only difference
is that instead of 3 boards there are 5 boards - 1 for each of the 4
players and 1 for the umpire.  Each player only gets to look at his own
board of course.  Other than this the game is identical.

Its hilarious to watch and very difficult to play.  In fact, I've only 
seen it played on smaller board sizes.  I highly recommend it as an
interesting diversion.

One question I have is should the teams be allowed to discuss strategy
before hand or not?  The strategy might involve a certain number of
fixed moves so both team members would know each others moves.  However,
this could be foiled by the other teams plays, and they would also have
their own strategy.

Ken (1 kyu?)
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From: Oliver Schoett <schoett@informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: IGS - Delay
Organization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Technische Univ. Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.072632.207@prim.han.de> hpk@prim.han.de (Holger
Krekel) writes:

 > As I am calling from a nice small university in germany I have some
 > problems with the IGS. I am playing with xigs and despite the fact
 > that it is awfully slow it works well. Just that my time is counted too
 > fast, e.g. if I make my move after say 10 seconds of thinking it takes 
 > 20 seconds in average before the move show up. That is not too bad, as the
 > net our university is connected at is not too fast. But the IGS tells
 > me then, that I have used about TWO MINUTES. This makes it quite difficult
 > to play a regular game.

One idea would be for the client to acknowledge receipt of the
opponent's move and for the server to count only the time between
receiving that acknowledgement and the client's player's move.  With a
constant network delay, that gives a fair account of the thinking
time.

However, the German WiN network is so bad (typical ping times to the
US 2 - 10 s with lots of complete breakdowns) that it will probably
foul up this idea as well, e. g. by suddenly introducing many minutes
of transmission delay between the acknowledgement and the move.  I'm
afraid there is no way to perform time-sensitive interaction with
servers abroad such as playing Go with clocks over the WiN in its
present state.  Join the crowd of disgruntled WiN users (see
de.comm.internet and de.admin.misc).


Oliver Schoett     Inst. f. Informatik (H2), Technische Univ. M"unchen
                   Postfach 20 24 20,     8000 M"unchen 2,     Germany
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From: Carmen.Gervet@cediag.bull.fr (Carmen.Gervet)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: information about mgt
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:57:57 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cediag Bull S.A., Louveciennes, France
In-reply-to: Francis.Leyter@cediag.bull.fr's message of 26 Aug 92 20:03:43 GMT

If you get it back, please send a copy to me

Thanks
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From: macon@gallifry.Berkeley.EDU (Glen Macon)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: What would you bid?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:49:10 GMT
Reply-To: macon@cbmvax.commodore.com (Glen Macon)
Organization: COMMODORE West Cester PA


In article <3645@tivoli.UUCP>, taylor@foraker.tivoli.com (Eric Taylor) writes:
|> Zip Swiss, You hold :
|> xx
|> KQx
|> AKQxxxx
|> A
|> 
|> Bidding continues :
|> You        Partner
|> 1D         1H
|> ??
|> 
|> I would like to be in a heart game.
|> 
|> Would 4D normally promise a solid
|> suit and 4 card support?  Would this be
|> an acceptable lie?
|> 
|> 3D is non-forcing.

au contraire, 3D is a point count bid (let alone the the power in D).
if your partner has the points, you should end up at game (looks like
a good 4H).



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From: bjpt@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Ben Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: WC Problem - Full Hand
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:49:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

ding@msc.cornell.edu (Gary Ding) writes:

>	Your line gains only when W has S QTx, which is probably a less- 
>than-5% probability, while the chances of opponent diamond 5-3 is probably
>still larger than 5%, despite east producing DT then DQ.  After all, the
>bidding indicated some interest from the S in at least one of
>the major suits, assuming 2D is an asking bid.  W might easily attempt to
>lead from D Kxx, I would if I do not have a better choice.

Kxx diamond?  And West failed to unblock (and East led back the Q)?
I don't think so.  The 5-3 layout of concern is West holding K9753.

West may also have S Q10 in order to gain (you must still knockout
the HA BEFORE you test clubs in order to avoid setting up a potential
setting club trick for the defenders).

Of some interest is why did East play the 10 on the first round and
not the J?  (see Kantar's article on playing the J from QJ10 holdings)

BTW It appears that a number of followups to my original article
didn't make it to Australia.  It seems likely to me that some of
them were automatically marked for non-world distribution by
whatever poster was used.  Please check that!

Ben
From: doug@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Douglas Newlands)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: bidding
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:52:42 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia

In article <17hi6bINNccj@overload.lbl.gov; asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky) writes:
;>Really we just have to settle down and compare
;>which loses least (or gains the most).  
;
;Well, Brian, should we start comparing by seeing how many world championships
;your system has won or loss as compared to Chip's?

Probably a good measure as long as you are happy with Blue Club being
the hands down winner. It has also survived pretty well intact over
decades which natural systems haven't in terms of meanings of opening
bids, NT ranges, forcingness of sequences.

doug.
From: desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: This weekends results from Salsomaggiore
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:56:01 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research, Princeton

Lars.Andersson <ttllarsa@eua.ericsson.se> writes:
> 1. You are playing 3NT. LHO leads the 2 of clubs (third/fifth)

> Dxx
> Tx
> AJTxxx
> Kx

> ATx
> KJ9x
> D9x
> ATx

Duck the first club, win the second with the king, ten of hearts
finesse.  If this loses to someone and a club comes back, queen of
diamonds finesse.

Rationale: If the diamond finesse is on, there are always nine tricks.
If the diamond finesse is off, LHO probably has the five clubs, so delay
losing it until RHO is out of clubs.

>2. RHO opens 1H (9-13 hcp, 4+Hearts). You hold
> AQ/A9x/xxx/AQJxx. No one is vulnerable, what do you bid?
>Your 1NT overcall is 15-18.

2C.  What else?  Why would you bid 1NT on a hand which is so
suit-oriented?

                                        David desJardins
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From: danil@owlnet.rice.edu (Danil Patrick Suits)
Subject: Medium Play Problem
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:37:11 GMT

A play problem for beginners

meaning, of course, that I saw the solution about
three boards after I got it wrong :-)

MATCHPOINTS
Board 1.
None Vul:

N      E      S      W
1H     2C     2H     2S
3D     4S.

WEST              EAST

AK98x             QJx
xxx               Kx
xxxx              x
x                 AQJTxxx

North leads the diamond king and switches to
a heart. South wins the Ace and Jack, and
pushes the diamond Queen back through....

Plan the play.

Danil
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From: fishberg@cs.swarthmore.edu (Dylan Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Was this bid ridiculous ?
Organization: Swarthmore College, PA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:23:03 GMT

In article <BtJDMz.AC4@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> bdsokolo@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Sokolowsky) writes:
>Playing in a small team tournament (4 teams) for training purposes,
>i came to the table and noticed, that there was no 7nt card in my
>bidding box. I was sure it was some kind of omen, but was it a hint
>or a warning ? Who could tell ? Anyways, ...
>
>A few hands later, my partner opened 1nt in second seat, promising
>12-14 hcp (sometimes as few as 11), and i had to look twice on my cards
>to believe what i saw. But it was true, i held
>
>                    A, Axx, Atx, AKQJxx
>
>Now i would have been able to learn some things about my partners
>distribution (starting with 2d, forcing stayman) and locate some
>high cards (later with keycard blackwood), but opponents would have
>known also. Maybe i would have directed them to choose the right lead.
>So I looked again in my bidding box, suspiciously, and then i
>borrowed a 7nt card and lay it on the table.
>
>This was the hand of my partner:
>
>                    KQ, KJx, Qxxxx, xxx
>
>and even with heart queen onside, there was no chance for trick 13.
>
>Our conclusion was, that the blame had to be divided. Partner, for
>opening such a hand, and me for my quick bidding. Do you agree ? 
>
>--- jigo.
>
>P.S. Two hands later my partner had to borrow a 1c card, and another
>     desaster began...

If you're making 7NT then there's no danger of directing opponents to the
correct lead since you hold all four aces.  Therefore you have nothing to
lose by gaining a little more information about partner's hand.  On the
other hand if your make some use of the bidding space you have, you'll
discover that 6NT is the more reasonable contract of the king of diamonds.

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From: ttllarsa@eua.ericsson.se (Lars.Andersson)
Subject: Re: This weekends results from Salsomaggiore
Keywords: olympiad, quarterfinals
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:40:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.120207.19253@galois.mit.edu> maboyiny@ccvax.as.edu.tw (Dr. Weird) writes:
>Who are the respective (and highly respected) lineups?  Did France finally
>send its prime lineup ( Chemla-Perron plus support from
>Mari/Lebel/Soulet/Abecassis/Whoever else ) for a change?

I only know that Chemla-Perron and Quantin are playing.

>
>Did the Saffle Spar pair play for Denmark?  Or was it just the Acolites?
I think the danish team is:
Blakset-Blakset (Acol?)
Dorthe Schalz-Peter Schalz (Blue Teamish?)
Auken-Koch (Acol?)

Scou-Hulgaard (the Saffle pair) does not play together any longer.

>
>;-) ;-) ;-)  WHo is the Swedish team?  Gullberg-Sundelin?
>Morath-Bjerregard (spelling?) ?  Nilsland-Fallenius?  Or was the last pair
>replaced for this one?

Tommy Gullberg has retired from international play. Gullberg-Sundelin
are replaced by Brunzell-Nielsen. The new pair is experienced,
Brunzell played in The European championships in 1967 and the Olympiad
in Deauville 1968. In the quarterfinals Brunzell-Nielsen played throughout
and did extremely well.

>
>>This leaves the following semifinals:
>>USA - Sweden
>>The Netherlands - France
>>
>>Two very even matches. If the US play Deutsch I believe in
>>a final between Sweden and France.
>
>So do I--- but I will hold off the celebrations until I see the result.
>{BTW, I _AM_ American.}  Death to all Would-be-buyers of World Championships!!
>Anyway, if only by sentiment I am rooting for the Dutch to play Sweden.  [I


NEWS FLASH
After 16 boards the USA are 16 (27-11?) imps up against Sweden.
Meckwell are supposed to play against Fallenius-Nilsland (HUM system)
when the swedes use F and N. The swedes have not yet used
Brunzell-Nielsen. I don't think Deutsch played the first 16.

>>Final: GB-Austria. I think Austria will win this.
>
>plus a good support (Penfold-McGowan?) they should match Erhart-Bamberger
>and co. especially if the third pair support was Spinn and Widengren....
>
Just a feeling. Austria has done very well the last few years.
I don't think Widengren (Swedish) is playing for Austria this year. She
was somoe sort of emergency substitute last year. Austria also has the
best female player in Europe (the World?), Maria Erhardt.

--lars
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: The Butler Scoring Method (was Re: Toronto Nationals selection #1)
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:57:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: zariski.GRABINER.92Aug25195838
Organization: Harvard University Dept. of Mathematics
In-reply-to: avir@chen.bgu.ac.il's message of Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:08:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.000818.9287@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, Avi Roy Shapira writes:

> Unless you use a computer either a triangular or a gaussian curve is too
> time consuming, and why should a gausian filter work any better is beyond
> me. I guess that the object is to find some sort of a par score, but
> your suggestion implies that scores would be normally distributed around
> the par. I doubt that this is the case.  It is just as logical to take the
> mode or median score. In fact, I susspect that the median score is probably
> as close to par as it gets.

The median will not make a good par because many boards have two or
three principal results.  For example, if everyone in the room is in 4S,
but only four of thirteen pairs make it, neither +620 nor -100 is a good
par.

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From: bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:40:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Precision, anyone?
Organization: Princeton University
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In article <17jrdkINNqhl@overload.lbl.gov> asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky) writes:
|Maybe I'm a sample size of 5 (me and the partners I've played Big Clubs with)
|but part score battles have not been much of strong points of a big club.
|By definition, I would think a natural system would prevail.

by definition?

I'd be surprised to hear very many people claim that a natural system is
really geared towards part scores.  IMHO natural systems are heavily weighted
towards strong hands -- look how many forcing responses there are to opening
bids.  Look at how many partial contracts go through 1n forcing and somewhat
nebulous 1c or 1d openings.  In a system really geared towards partials,
it would make more sense to make direct 2/1 responses non-forcing, and require
forcing hands to bid 1n (i.e. exactly backwards from how it is now).

ben
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Subject: Re: fast arrival
From: bclaus@cs.wright.edu (Brian Clausing)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:16:38 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

From article <1992Aug28.201932.10588@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, by rainbow@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rob Buchner):
> 
>>> KQxxx
>>> KQTx
>>> x
>>> xxx
>>>
>>> 1H   1S(1)
>>> 2N   3H
>>> 3S   4H
>>> P
> 
>> I do not believe that 3H should necessarily be stronger 
>> than 4H, but 4H ought to be more descriptive.
> 
> If you use the principle of fast arrival, given a game forcing auction,
> a subsequent jump to game indicates minimum values or no slam interest.
> A jump to 4H here is descriptive, very descriptive. It ends the auction.
> A jump to 4H is a catch all bid which is based on just about anything.
> 4H need not be weak per-se, ie scattered values insufficient for slam.
> 
Oh come now.  The principle of fast arrival does not logically apply
here if the original conditions are accepted:  that the 1S response
followed by heart support is constructive, because otherwise responder
should have raised directly.  Hence on showing heart support, responder
will have shown more than a minimum.  It seems quite unlikely that
responder can at that point categorically exclude slam.
I suppose that 2NT is about 18 hcp; if you suppose less, perhaps fast
arrival might apply here.  But if the conditions as stated here hold,
I suggest that 4H were better used as some kind of slam try.
How about an example hand for a fast-arrival 4H?

> There is an inference that partner chose to bid spades instead of raising
> hearts immediately as they would have with a weak hand containing support.
> 
>> Although 3H is logically constructive, responder apparently
>> has no means to show his great trump support.
> 
> Given that partner has limited their hand, 3H is very much forward
> going, it says I have a great hand for you, it says I am interested
> in more than just game, it implies decent hearts. Failure to cue-bid
> a minor over 3S confirms very good hearts to justify the first bid.
> 3H allows room for a very descriptive auction to now take place.

Now, as Sonny Moyse used to say, he'll know exactly what I hold.
If some of the possible hands can be described by special bids,
why not?

Brian Clausing
From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: What to bid?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:29:03 GMT
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <mlg.714832564@volvo> mlg@siemens.com. (Michael Greenberg) writes:
:You deal and hold
:Kx,AJT87x,QJxx,A
:
:1H-P-2D-2S-?
:What do you bid?
 
4C, splinter in diamonds. 3C would be forcing, so this is unambiguously a
splinter bid.
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From: olle@astro.uu.se (Olof Morell)
Subject: Re: World Championship Problem
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:12:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.132722.7264@cs.mu.OZ.AU>, bjpt@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au (Ben Thompson) writes: 
|> With E/W vul and South dealer
|> 		AJ92
|> 		KQ7
|> 		864
|> 		A75
|> 
|> 		K3
|> 		J43
|> 		A2
|> 		K96432
|> 
|> At one of the BB tables:
|> West	North	East	South
|> 			2C
|> P	2D	P	2NT
|> P	3NT	All Pass
|> 
|> 2C showed clubs, 2D was an enquiry and 2NT showed no singleton with
|> at least 6 clubs.
|> 
|> West leads D5.  East wins D10 and returns DQ, West following with the 7.
|> Your play.

I would stupidly try to cash my clubs, unless my opponents are very
reliable...

The only alternative I can see would be to establish a couple of heart
tricks before trying clubs, then if clubs split badly play LHO for 
QTx or QT in spades. This line fails utterly, however, if West has 
falsecarded from K9753 in diamonds!
I think the odds for the neccessary layout of the spade suit must be 
quite small, don't have the time to calculate them though.

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