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From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Glasses
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 10:39:23 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

srl@terminus.ericsson.se (Steve Langstaff) writes:

> In article CDJ@ra.nrl.navy.mil, humphrey@hightop.nrl.navy.mil (Jeff Humphrey 
> [snip]
> |>   Laser light has a number of health risks associated with it besides ...
> |>   'burning your retina' ... things like prolonged exposure to radiation (w
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |>   is always assumed to be a bad thing), etc ...
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> [snip]
> 
> Bit of a sweeping statement! If it wasn't for the *radiation* humans would ha
> evolved with harder shin bones (on account of walking into things).
> 
> ---
> 
> | Steve Langstaff - Ericsson CAMTEC |


Lasers light is still just photons.  Of course if you fool around with 
home built laser rigs there is another risk. High voltage zaps from the 
laser power supply.  Not pleasant.  if ya screw around with stuff like 
this it pays to screw around carefully.

ZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAP!   yowch!


Pope Charles

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From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: New Internet Access/WWIV/WWCP?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:23:45 GMT

Maybe take a look at WWCP and WWIV and how they interact.. WWCP is a program to
allow for converting of WWIVNet (WWIV is a Nice BBS and much more modern than
Waffle) to WAFFLE packets.. Basically converting from Waffle to WWIV and the
reverse. SEnd email to 1-9702@wwiv.cojones.com for more info..Ask fro DT
(Dilerium Trimenus). I know WAFFLE needs to make some changes and be more
modern. Maybe it will in newer varieties.. 

I wonder when I will be learning to use/program in Turbo C+ (WWIV is written in
it, so if you have the source code you can MOD it)..

I know WWIV might be able to recieve FAXes soon. It does recognize when a FAX
calls versus a modem..

Yes it would be nice to have a net software/hardware that allows for VR,
pictures, graphics and such over the net.. Maybe invent one and patent it?


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
(once was a WWIVnet Sysop 1@9709) tell DT that Morgoth says hello.
Or was that GW says hello..
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: dstampe@psych.toronto.edu (Dave Stampe)
Subject: Re: How to read eye-movement ?
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:58:26 GMT

 S_BLEYER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Mike Bleyer) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of some kind of goggles, glasses or the like, that offer a
>mechanism to read the direction that my eye is looking (up, down, left
>right). I know there is a way reading left/right from the electric
>potential between electrodes fixed to the middle of your forehead and the
>sides (amplified muscle and nerve action). But up and down is somewhat
>difficult/impossible.

That's the electrooculographic technique (EOG).  Lots of problems other
than the lack of vertical measurement, such as drift.
>
>Is there any device that does this, for example low powered laser reading
>the movement from reflections of the eyeball or whatever...
>Anyone worked with something like this ?
>Where to get it ? Prices ?
>Any ideas, new and old, welcome...
>
Major techniques: camera pointed at the eye, extract pupil position or 
reflection of a light source off the cornea.  Alternatively, put a couple
of phototransistors near the eye, to monitor the approximate position of 
the iris.  This last has problems with vertical as well, be cause of the
eyelids.
Costs: $2000+ for the iris techniques, $10000+ for the video camera techniques.
Cost should go down in the future.


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| my destiny is Software,                 | dstampe@psych.toronto.edu    |
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Low Tech Solutions+
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:00:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.174706.7942@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony) writes:
> Somewhere in Cyberspace, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu said about 'Low Tech
> Solutions': 
> 
> |Why is it when a computer company (such as MSDOS) does something new, they go
> 
> Man, I didn't know we were that far advanced with artificial life....
> 
Sory for my error, Computer Program Company (I know at times they don't deserve
even that. But that yu for the Artificail Life thing. I enjoy being
artificial..



> |Michael Adams
> 
> Not the basketball player r u?  =)

Sorry my outer casing is in a different color, sorry.
> 
> v00jhadayjhav00
> 
> |Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
> |nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
> 
> --
> 
>     ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
>     ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: spm@dar.csiro.au (McEWAN Shane)
Subject: Re: Virtuality - VR Video Game
Organization: CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:08:25 GMT

ctdonath@mothra.syr.EDU (Carl T. Donath) writes:
: Now that I've truly tasted VR: What's the number to get SEGA shutter glasses?
: Is it 1-800-FOR-SEGA?

Forget contacting SEGA. They don't sell the glasses any more. *sigh*

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Mercury switch sensors
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:16:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.055954.5917@panix.com>, joro@panix.com (Joe Rosen) writes:
> 
> 
> have had excellent success using simple mercury bulb switches for
> directional sensing...
> 
>      currently using them in a hand-held device that allows users to
> navigate N S E W through a two-dimensional environment...
> 
> have used them mounted with $1.50 gardening gloves as a "cheap and
> dirty" data glove-esque direction input device...
> 
>      by placing a photosensitive resistor in the palm of the same glove
> it was possible to gain Z axis direction input (opening hand in a well
> lighted room allowd for a change in resist across the palm of the glove
> to be detected)...
> 
> lots of inexpensive solutions to VR hardware if ya can settle for the
> quality of a "garage" level hack...
> 
> 
> 
> 
What is wrong with 'garage level hack' if people wanted nice packaging Tom
Edison woul dof never gotten noticed..
I like your idea of mercury switches.. 
Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 15:03:57 CET
From: <K317370@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Mercury switch sensors
 <1992Dec16.055954.5917@panix.com> <1992Dec22.191609.1@acad3.alaska.edu>
 <1992Dec23.184051.21746@panix.com>

re: inventing stuff yourself and reinventing stuff

i had the wonderful experience a few years ago. i was trying
to build a little walking robot thingy. played with it for
a day or so, rebuilding stuff, pulling it apart, modifying
the drive thingys and all, then lo and behold:

  i had literally reinvented the wheel

shit

but it was an interesting experience

haha

tim
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From: joro@panix.com (Joe Rosen)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:30:05 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1993Jan1.193833.22496@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony) writes:

>|     like i said, the stuff i see printed in mondo (the closest thing
>|available that sorta chronicles the "culture") makes me wanna vomit.


i don't mean to get anyone angry by my statement...

     it just appears to me that the "culture" is more involved in
fashion posing then actually making any kinda real contribution...

if "cyber-culture" is about fashion then i guess what gets printed
in mondo (and places like it) is representative of what's goin' on...

     alas... i gotta maintain that there is more to what we are doin'
than just spewing some junk that ya read outta the last william
gibson -esque story to come down the assembly line.
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: wanted:
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 13:09:34 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

harryk@freeside.com (Harry Krishna) writes:

> Wanted: writers and journalists (some experience needed)
> 
>         I'm looking for a few good writers.  I am trying to get together 
> with some people to start a nice magazine.  If you're interested please 
> leave me private mail at 'harryk@freeside.com'.  Please leave your 
> internet account so I may get back in touch with you.
> 
>         Harry Krishna
>         harryk@freeside.com
> 
> 
> --
> harryk@freeside.com (Harry Krishna)
> Rivendell BBS -*- Houston, TX -*- +1(713)941-2236

Gee, Harry!  What KIND a magazine?  What sort of writing do you seek!
What sort of articles, subject matter, or ideas are you wanting?

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: pacoid@wixer.cactus.org (Paco Xander Nathan)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
Organization: FringeWare Inc., +1 512 477 1366
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 06:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.005824.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>I'm tired of hearing how and hearing people talk. Lets work on it NOW!!
>
>Cyberpunk Annonymous (a neat name for the Organization?).
>
>Michael Adams
>Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
>nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

Uh, er, well how 'bout:

	Guest Anonymous (triple entendres intended)

pxn.
From: Jeremy.Thanos@f382.n634.z3.fidonet.org (Jeremy Thanos)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: "Mom ... are we there yet?"2
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:33:00

To: ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CR Willis)

-=* On 04-Dec-92, ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk was heard preaching this to All
*=-

ee>   OK a few questions;
ee>       cyberpunk is supposed to be tomorrows society but it
ee> seems to me that it is
ee>       actually just a version of todays society. Well maybe -.

I'd have to say yes due to the obvious that the world is staying the way it is
mentally eg. destructive, violent, cruel. But will inevitablly progress in the
field of technology. I think that the people in todays society don't have the
abillity to process the technologies that are being developed in to a major
constructive way. Only minor constructive ways such as the pleasure of the
people that buy and use their items. The major breakthroughs are always in the
field of destruction and how well you can do it.
That is how the world revolves now and most likly will revolve when we get to
the Cyber Punk era, but just with bigger and more destructive toys! As long as
there are people in power that want to stunt the worlds development in the name
of power and money things will not change.

ee>       A couple of months ago I saw an article about how
ee> surgeons in the states were
ee>       correcting eye defects (short and long sightedness) by
ee> placing a fine loop of
ee>       metal inside the cornea. The loop was then contracted or
ee> expanded thus altering
ee>       the shape of the cornea and correcting the focus on the
ee> retina and thus the eye
ee>       defect. In the article they said that this process was
ee> going on trial over
ee>       there, has anyone else seen anything abou it?

Yes I saw something about this on an Australian television program called
Beyond 2000 but the place where you could get this done was in Germany. And the
time it took to fix the problem in your eye was about an hour, and you only
needed a local anesetic.

ee>        Will the next breakthrough in entertainment be chipped
ee> music. If they can fit
ee>        a highly complex (-: game on a sega cartridge can't they
ee> digitise music onto
ee>        a memory chip. Can you imagine how small the next
ee> generation of Sony stereos
ee>        would be?

Um...I believe that that has already been in the news already, it just a matter
of money, and weather the people that buy the chips can afford the inflated
prices.

THANoS  
 

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: lm011@aix370.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Alexander Tuchacek)
Subject: VRship Hamburg:Call for Participation
Reply-To: lm011@aix370.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Alexander Tuchacek)
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:59:35 GMT



Call for international participation in new art/science project.
KNOWBOTIC RESEARCH
Simulation Room -Mosaic of Mobile Sound Data
We are a group of artists and scientists at the Academy of Media
Arts Cologne,  and will be showing a VR installation in February at
the MEDIALE93 - Festival for Media Arts and Media Future - in
Hamburg, Germany. The installation, housed in the freight ship Cap
San Diego in Hamburg - harbour, has three main areas.
Section one is a sophisticated, walk - in data - base  utilising a
collection of sound samples from around the world, which will be
used to produce a virtual 'sound room'.  The sound data will
correspond to the second section,  a physical room, where visitors
will be able to navigate through the space with the aid of a mobile
ultrasonic sensor and an artificial eye display and activate the data 
to a realtime-concert.
The action of the visitors, within  this 'virtual organism,' will be
displayedon a video screen shown in a control room area (the third
area).
We welcome your participation for the international sound - data -
base: To participate in this international project we need from you a
6 second long sound sample, a cultural statement, reflecting
your personal attitude towards the "world". Please send this via
email or ftp. (aiff, wave, next formats)
All participants and institutions will be credited in a publicly
displayed database during the exhibition.
For more information by email from: kr+cf@khm.uni-koeln.de
Thank you for your support - KNOWBOTIC RESEARCH

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (we're tiny we're toony)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk NOW Organization.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:38:33 GMT

|i kinda see "mondo" as more of a hinderence rather than a help to the
|whole concept of "cyber"-anything...
|
|     other than mondo what else is out there ?

bOING-bOING, Intertek, CyberEdge, Technology Works, lots of SF
journals, ocassional articles in mainstream stuff like Details, FACE,
Fad, etc........

|and is there really a cyber-culture ?

What do you think?  

|     like i said, the stuff i see printed in mondo (the closest thing
|available that sorta chronicles the "culture") makes me wanna vomit.

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From: harryk@freeside.com (Harry Krishna)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: wanted:
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 23:57:54 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

Wanted: writers and journalists (some experience needed)

        I'm looking for a few good writers.  I am trying to get together 
with some people to start a nice magazine.  If you're interested please 
leave me private mail at 'harryk@freeside.com'.  Please leave your 
internet account so I may get back in touch with you.

        Harry Krishna
        harryk@freeside.com


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: jgray@crash.cts.com (Jeff Gray)
Subject: REQUEST: PowerGlove hack for Amiga
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:30:10 PST

Greetings, all!

I remember someone mentioning a hack to hook a powerglove up to an
Amiga.  Would some kind soul let me know where I could FTP the hack?
*OR* better yet, email me a copy of the hack?!  Any help would be
appreciated!

  Thanks!
     -Jeff

  "...So what about the DJ?!"  -Ottorongo

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: Glasses
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:38:03 GMT

In article <BzMM37.CDJ@ra.nrl.navy.mil> humphrey@hightop.nrl.navy.mil (Jeff Humphrey [Jeffus]) writes:
>In article <18506@borg.cs.unc.edu> deloura@cezanne.cs.unc.edu (Mark A. DeLoura) writes:
>>In article <Sean_Hurley.0713@dream.uucp> Sean_Hurley@dream.uucp (Sean Hurley) writes:
>>>But folks, this lazer idea, even at nano volts is a bad idea -- think about
>>>it, you'll have a laser "burn" an image into the retina...
>>Wrongo!
>>I've tried it, a 1/4 microwatt laser into my eyeball-- worked fine for me,
>>a tad blurry but definitely I could read the time off of the xclock that
>>was being shown.
>>
>>And it was *red*.
>>	---Mark
>
>  I realize that people doing this research have explored the health risks but
>  I still can't help but think of a common sense laser precaution ...
>
>         "Thou shalt not fire lasers into the eyes"
>
>  Laser light has a number of health risks associated with it besides ...
>  'burning your retina' ... things like prolonged exposure to radiation (which
>  is always assumed to be a bad thing), etc ...
>
>    I think it's a really cool idea and the time has come ... but I'll be
>  hanging out until a lot of other people have worked with it for quite
>  some time before I go shooting beams into my eyes.  It's a personal
>  choice ...

Well, there's nothing "magical" about coherent (laser) light... just that,
for a given wattage and compared to noncoherent (normal) light, the laser
is much, much brighter 'cause it's channelled more efficiently. BTW, the
currently recommended 'safe limit' for power level is .05 milliwatts as
far as eye-exposure goes... 100 microwatts for extended exposure (5 seconds
to indefinite time). As you can see, the power levels being discussed are
>far< below this.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: humphrey@hightop.nrl.navy.mil (Jeff Humphrey [Jeffus])
Subject: Re: Glasses
Organization: Computer Security, Naval Research Lab
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:25:54 GMT

In article <18506@borg.cs.unc.edu> deloura@cezanne.cs.unc.edu (Mark A. DeLoura) writes:
>In article <Sean_Hurley.0713@dream.uucp> Sean_Hurley@dream.uucp (Sean Hurley) writes:
>>But folks, this lazer idea, even at nano volts is a bad idea -- think about
>>it, you'll have a laser "burn" an image into the retina...
>Wrongo!
>I've tried it, a 1/4 microwatt laser into my eyeball-- worked fine for me,
>a tad blurry but definitely I could read the time off of the xclock that
>was being shown.
>
>And it was *red*.
>	---Mark

  I realize that people doing this research have explored the health risks but
  I still can't help but think of a common sense laser precaution ...

         "Thou shalt not fire lasers into the eyes"

  Laser light has a number of health risks associated with it besides ...
  'burning your retina' ... things like prolonged exposure to radiation (which
  is always assumed to be a bad thing), etc ...

    I think it's a really cool idea and the time has come ... but I'll be
  hanging out until a lot of other people have worked with it for quite
  some time before I go shooting beams into my eyes.  It's a personal
  choice ...

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From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: New Needs and Standards
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 20:14:58 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

> Sounds like to being about the new world of the cyberspace/punk what is neede
> is technology more than what is available in the now.. Such as new Operating
> Systems (unless Windows/Unix/OS2 or what ever can handle it).
> Also need new standards od ANSI, Graphics Files, and digital verus analg phon
> lines..And more.. What is all that is needed?? Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Michael Adams
> Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
> 


Right now we have more technology than we can use.  What we need is 
better programs.  I for instance am posting this over a Waffle System.
This is a MS-DOS BBS that lets me talk to the internet for free.
But it is in many ways, very primitive.  The editor is crap, I have no 
kill file abilities, ect.  If a far better Internet-MSDOS BBS system were 
to come about, this would be of far greater use to the world than a new 
modem with more bells and whistles, or a faster chip from Intel.

  I just got America Online, tho' I have not signed up yet with 'em.
They are one of these outfits that supplies a graphic frontend based on 
Geoworks.  They dont have to supply huge amounts of data for great 
graphics on your end, cause most of the programming is in the system on 
your end.

Imagine systems something like that. Download Graphics, Animation, 
Sounds, VR objects, load into your system and the a few simple commands 
over the modem will let you see ..... ????? and do ??????

Not much done here, huh?  But we have the technology.  Cheap 9600 modems,
cheap accelerated VGA cards,  fast chips with built in math processors.
And BBS systems are still basically the same as when everyone was using 
TTY's and 300 baud acoustical modems.

It is a Programming Problem.  A few systems are taking a crack at this 
approach, (Prism fer example0, but what we have here is a failure to 
utilize our resources to the maximum.

We won't be playing full blown VR games over the net soon, but we should 
be able to do one hell of a lot better than what we have now.

And none of this can be blamed on the hardware side.

So, when ya gonna start learning C++ ?

Pope Charles     SubGenius Pope Of Houston.     Slack!  And electrons 
too.

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