From: ph36@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard Nistuk)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Wins, Questions, and Comments
Date: 13 Nov 1992 01:43:45 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1992Nov12.105237.4055@memstvx1.memst.edu> 
isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu (John Holifield) writes:
>Hi Guys!


	Hey everbody! John's back.  I guess his stats came back up!  Or
maybe there really wasn't a causual relationship anyway!  Doesn't LRH
say it's bad to misinform?


>Guess what?  I JUST GOT MY FIRST E-METER!!!

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>I'm so excited!  I can hardly wait to learn to audit someone with it.
>Many other big wins since I last posted here...

Remember to get an E-meter(TM) cosy(TM)!

>1.  I'm now back on study, and on Objectives @ CC Nashville!!


>2.  Doing very well in business, and I fully expect to make a quarter
>million in '93!  Scientology Tech almost makes it to easy!

	What do you do?  
	How does scn tech help you?

>3.  I also expect my SMI mission starter package to be delivered in
>a few days!  (Know anyone who would like to go on staff?)

	Me!  Me!  I could turn out a few E-meter cosies per day!

>One other question, I would like to ask the scientologists...

>Have you ever noticed, that if you are exterior and you look at your
>body it feels... well (sickening?)  I seem to remember LRH writing
>somewhere that auditors should not make the PC put his attention on the
>body while exterior.  Anyone know the exact reference for this?  Also, any
>source data on why it occurs would be especially apprecited.

>This is why I want to know...

[ deleted: a LONG paragraph containing a story about how he cured his 
  girlfriends' mothers' back problem by  exteriorizing and "getting in
  comm(whatever that means!)" whith her thetan.  He then look at his
  body and got sick]

	You know,  I had the same feeling when the Clones of Elvis(TM)
from the planet HubbaHubbaDo(TM) in the O-Beta-Omnicrom sector of the 
445-Oh-6 galaxy picked me up and took me to the planet of the nude
blonde amazon stenographers.  I almost MIRV'ed ICBM vomited, when
we went into warp speed!

	Honest! It happened!  I have witnesses!  Here is what 
they said:

Bob:    Holy sh*t!!!!
Lou Anne:    Hey!  Wait for me!!!
Eric:	No me first!

Go ahead.  Ask them!!!

	Seriously though.  When someone tells me a story, such as the
one John told, it makes me wonder if the guy is hallucinating, blatently 
lying, or really believes it himself. If he REALLY beleives it himself
or is hallucinating, thats O.K. it's not his fault, there must be some
outside agency at work(ie drugs, brainwashin, e.t.c.).  But IF he is
lying...  Well only John knows, and hee has to live with his actions. 

	I believe, this is the type of thing that seperates scientologists
like John H and Bill H, from Scientologists(note big S) like Jonathan,
I think Jonathan SEEMS much more resonable.  For instance, on the PV=
I*D^x (SORRY!), Jonathan, perhaps realizing what a turkey the equation
is, just backed out gracefully.  Whereas Bill leaps in, knee jerk  
reaction like, and seemingly paints homself into a corner and 
subsequently hides(I will apologize for this, Bill, WHEN I am 
proved wrong, ie when you show me that the equation works in 
accordance to my post on the subject, Hell, I'll even become a 
scientologist, IF your well documented, reproducable data gets
to me!  

	As for you John, tonight, I will leave my "Dianetics" book
open on my printer table, in my computer room.  Exteriorize, go
to UBC, to the registrar's office, get my address, and come to my 
home and read the page number that the book is open to, and the 
paragraph, line, or word that is underlined.  Post that information
in this newsgroup, along with the time you visited.  If you
are successful, I WILL become a scientologist, and you and
I can go to the planet of nude stenographers together and have a
beer!

	Don't try to tell me that if you do this, the CIA will
try to get you, because you expect us to beleive you when you SAY
you exteriorize don't you?  "You can't base an argument on 
contradict yourself"-paraphrased from Monty Python.





 
>I'd really love to hear from any Scientologist about this.  Also, how about
>sharing your wins?!!  I know that certain individuals will want to 
>invalidate your gains, but that can be handled.  By the way, the operator
>at my site showed me how to filter out any messages from known SPs, so 
>that doesn't even have to be considered!!  

	Thats O.K. we'll just e-mail you all of our questions 
and comments!  

	Really!  If you are going to say something on a _public_ 
forum, like INTERNET, you should take responsibilty for your 
actions. 

	Thats what I always say!  Among other things.


>A buddy and I are having a contest.  We are having an "up the bridge" race.
>Basically its a race to GradeV, last one there buys the CCRD for the first!

	Holy freehollees.  Thats a big bet! the CCRD(clear certainty
rundown) costs $2650.00 quite a lot of money to spend to see if all
the courses you took already really worked!!!

>Anybody want to participate in a game like this?  I know Scientology costs
>money, and when you are less able, you are more likely to think that its
>a lot of money or that its unconfrontable!!  This is NOT true.  Its your
>consideration--your case--thats all!!  Get on course, get trained, and you'll
>be winning and moving up the bridge.  Get your havingness up, and the money
>isn't such a big deal.  How do you think these OTIVs, and OTVs, etc...
>can afford to donate for their Ls and the rest of the bridge at once?

	I don't know... Tell us!!!

>Don't you think its interesting that the people who complain the most
>about the cost, are the people who need Scientology the most?  Their

	Don't you think it is interesting that scientologists pay $2200
for the OT I course, where a lot of time is spent meditating (doing 
nothing) and learning how to use a dictionary. 

	We aren't complaining about the cost.  We are noting how 
exorbidant it is.   And how little is done.

>havingness is so low!  There is no way they could ever confront the donation

	What is is "havingness" and what do you mean by "confront the 
donation"?

>for Key to Life, so they just insist that it must be a rip-off.  Also,
>their evil purposes prevent them from being able to confront the idea that
>man might go free!  (Read a HCOPL or HCOB called Jokers and Degraders)
>Its a little sad, that they will have to be the last to go free.  They 
>might not even make it at all.
>
>Go up the bridge!! Survive!!
> 
>ARC,
>-John Holifield

>ps.  Everyone is a Scientologist, some just haven't cognited yet!!

ps: nobody is a scientologist, some just haven't seen the scam yet!!

Richard Nistuk