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From: Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu (Eric J. Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: In favor or rally scoring...(NOT)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:30:12 GMT
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In article <1992Aug20.035904.29656@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:

> As I recall, rally scoring was introduced to speed up matches to
> alleviate player fatigue over the long run (e.g. a season).  As int'l vb
> became more of a side-out game, good teams could drag their matches into
> side-out marathons, with each game (set) taking almost an hour to play.

I think it's important to note that when a rule like this is
introduced, by the time it's trickled down to collegiate, juniors and
USVBA play its original intent has been lost, and it's entirely
possible that the reason the rule was implemented doesn't exist at that
level of play. It's true that a number of high school teams, for
example, would probably choose to serve to start of rally point game
because the service reception isn't consistent. So we players of less
than international caliber look at the rule and say "what's up with
that?" because we never had a problem with it. As long of the game of
volleyball is defined by the highest level of play, that will continue
to happen.

Another case: I heard some talk a while back that, because the men's
international game was so sideout/offense oriented, they were thinking
of changing the attack line rule to "you must land behind it" rather
than "you must take off behind it". Most teams don't have a huge
opposite hitter flying out of the back row and contacting the ball at
the net. But at the international level, everyone does, so it makes
sense to think about changing the rule.

As for the rally clock on the beach, I hate it. But I also hate
tournaments where pool play runs over and I end up playing the finals
in the dark. I hate having to play 7 point matches late in pool play
because we're behind schedule. And I hate playing a rigid tournament
where each match starts and ends exactly on time, and at the end of the
time, whoever is ahead wins. At least with the rally clock the opponent
can't stall to win. So there's a problem, and the rally clock is one
solution that happens to work well for TV. If someone thinks of a
better one, that's great.

Eric Baumgartner                   *  ebaum@dartmouth.edu
Interactive Media Lab              *  - When in danger or in doubt,
Dartmouth Medical School           *      run in circles, scream and
shout.
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From: pwong@ctp.com (Peter Wong)
Subject: Re: Arrrggghhhh...
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:09:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <GEOFF.92Aug7154236@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com>, geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm) writes:
|> I highly recommend strictly enforcing net calls in all games that you
|> play, especially recreational games.  Not only is coming through the
|> net the major cause of injuries in recreational games (in my experience),
|> but like drunk driving, it is the victim that usually gets hurt,
|> not the violator.

I TOTALLY agree...carries, dunks are ok in rec play because they usually don't
hurt anyone, but I have seen to many players get their ankles hurt because the
other guy couldn't jump up and down for a "block" without going forward five feet
and landing on someone.
|> 
|> It's not one of those complicated rules that are hard to understand.
|> All you need to understand is the noun "net" and the verb "touch".
|> If you can avoid walking into walls, you can avoid hitting the net.
|> 
|> Cheers,
|> 
|> Geoff
|> --
|> geoff@bellcore.com

Peter

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: brand_peter@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: A Question
Organization: Motorola CIG 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:57:06 GMT

In article <3_hywsp@rpi.edu> vasisn@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu (Niraj Vasishtha)
writes:
>
>I was curious about a rule in volleyball. If team A spikes the ball that lands
on the head of a player in team B and crosses the net is the game still in
play?
>
>niraj vasishtha
>vasisn@rpi.edu
>
Yes.  The ball can contact the body anywhere above the waist and still be "in
play" as long as no more than three contacts occur (excluding a block, of
course).

Doug
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Subject: Re: FAQ? - Killer Loop
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:32:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.183649.19458@med.umich.edu> ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
>
>What's a Killer Loop?
>   I assume it's the name of a pro-beach sponsor, but is there`
>actually a volleyball shot where players call it a killer loop?
>

Killer Loop is a type of sun glasses (like Vuarnet, Ray Ban, etc.)

As far as it been a voleyball shot, I must say that i'va never heard of such a shot.
The closest this is a Jumbo Shrimp (a particularly high loopy shot that is supposed to go
out of bounds but either the wind or some evil force makes the ball hit your back line. 
Usually happens on missed hits or shots your opponents swear they meanmt to do :/)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: FAQ? - Killer Loop
Originator: ajchien@picasso.dmsv.med.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:36:49 GMT


What's a Killer Loop?
   I assume it's the name of a pro-beach sponsor, but is there`
actually a volleyball shot where players call it a killer loop?

-Alex
 Thanks in advance.
  ajchien@med.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: alvear@panini.cs.jhu.edu (Domingo Bruno Alvear)
Subject: Moving to Cali!
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:39:28 GMT

I am moving to California in a month and don't want to go into volleyball
withdrawal!  :-)

Anyway, I'll be living in the Los Angeles area (Venice Beach actually) and
need some names and numbers so that I can keep playing my favorite sport.

Dom (alvear@cs.jhu.edu)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball,alt.binaries.pictures.misc
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Outdoor net set
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:52:02 GMT

   Well, about 2 years ago my brother made a net system. Let's see if I
can remember what he paid for all the stuff. I know the rope boundries
cost him about $40. That was for yellow, nylon line and 180' of it. He
used PVC pipe, 2" diameter. Heavy stuff and it still flexes. Not sure of
the cost. Ask a plumber. Then, the net was probably $60. Then you have
to count the hardware to fasten it and then time and labor. The stuff
you buy is more sturdy and will probably last longer.   

   So, you think that bro's net cost him over $200 to make. But, the
Centerline or Park & Sun are less hassle. Hey, you get a carrying bag
too! What a bargain.



                                          - Drummer -




Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: rjones@engin.umich.edu (randolph m. jones)
Subject: Any pickup games around UM?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:15:26 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: umich

Hi, I just moved here and I need to find some volleyball fast before
I start having withdrawal symptoms.  Does anybody know of some pickup
games or leagues I could get into on weekends or evenings?  Thanks
for any information you can provide.
Randy Jones
rjones@engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ethchen@glasses.Princeton.EDU (Edwin T. Chen)
Subject: "Level" definition
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:37:30 GMT

Can somebody give a good desciption of what each "level" of volleyball
means?  Haven't ever played in a very organized league outside of school.

Thanks,

Ed
From: r-hansens@uiuc.edu (Roger Hansens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Preseason Poll's
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:13:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: server.r-hansens-190892151500
Followup-To: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: University of Illinois


> 	On the note of Illinois, does anybody know if the Anne Conway that
> transfered was from Denver. I recall a Anne Conway from Denver but wasn't sure
> where she went to play. 

Anne Conway was from Denver.

Roger
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: corwin@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (carl.w.smedberg)
Subject: Re: Proposed rule changes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:39:55 GMT

>           << Stuff about body-part contacts deleted >>					
> |> >
> |> >	Remember Timmons made a key dig in one match and the replay  
> |> >showed it came off of his leg.  He was bent over, arms ready and
> |> >he catches a photon in the thigh that goes over the net, and over
> |> >the heads for a winner on the back line.  (Chris and Paul said he
> |> >gets credit for a kill and a dig).  With his arms down to both refs
> |> >it must have looked like a clean dig.  If they can't tell, and wasn't
> |> >intentionally done, might as well make it a rule change!
> |> 
> |> Yes, I agree but the "can't tell" seems to me to be the "kicker", not
> |> too many of us have seen "photon" type hits like they have in the
> |> Olympics. I can sit and watch 'AA' league play and usually know where the
> |> ball contacted the person. In the case above, no one actually saw the contact
>     
> Why doesn't the referee/umpire committee or group install replay cameras
>like they have for other sports( namely football )? 

Sorry dude but you've spent too much time in the gym playing volleyball
lately. The replay cameras were slowing the game of football down 
so much that as of this season there gone! 

I don't really have a problem with the "above the knee rule" but 
the "net contact", "centerline" and "1st ball freedom" changes will not
improve the level of the game! 

I hope to raise these issues with our regional referee chairperson. 
I'll post a follow up after that.

Carl Smedberg @ AT&T in beautiful Lisle Illinois
att!ihlpm!corwin
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: sidesets
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:34:06 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Aug18.1613.1989@channel1> pat.traynor@channel1.com (pat traynor) writes:

>Vball refs -- I need some clarification here...

>In the USVBA rulebook, only under outdoor rules, it states that you can
>sideset to a player on your side of the net.  (I'm talking about two-hands
>over the head.)  You can set to the other side of the net, but only directly
>in front of, or behind you, but not to the side.  They also say that you can
>sideset to the other side if the ball floats across.  I have to assume that
>this means that you intended to set your own teammate, but gave a bad set
>which probably ended up being a good set for the opposition.

>Is this an indoor rule also?  The situation that I'm concerned with is if the
>pass comes to the setter, who is standing near the center of the net.  He
>looks like he's going to set to one of his front corners.  He's facing toward
>that corner.  When he DOES set, he sidesets it directly over the net.

>Is this legal?  If not, is it spelled out in the rules anywhere?

>--pat traynor--

yes, in indoor this is legal.  there is no constraint on sets as there
is in outdoor.  the NCVA outdoor rules book says that sets over the net,
except those unintentional (as determined by the ref) must be perpindicular
to the shoulders (no side sets over the net.)

sj		-don't treat the earth like it was dirt-
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Let's fight the change (rules)
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:14:51 GMT


  Okay. My friends and I have been adament about the rule change regarding
  crossing the center line with one foot. This will clearly lead to _more_
  injuries where there are already too many. I have seen and experienced
  too many injuries from people landing on each other's feat _legally_
  at the net. And to top it off, it just happened to me yesterday. I came
  down on the spiker's foot after blocking, my ankle twisted, spraigned,
  and now I'm on crutches for a couple weeks. And neither of us were to
  blame. It's too much allowance as it is!

  So, what I propose is as many of us as possible writing to FIVA or
  USVBA and attempting to reverse the decision on allowing people to
  cross the center line. Does anyone out there have the address for
  either of these? Please post it/mail it to me so that I can write.

  I'm definitely going to try to convince my school to not accept the
  new ruling for its intramural volleyball programs.

  _____    "But you can't really call that a dance. It's a walk." - Tony Banks
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 Gene Van Buren, Kzoo Crew, Washington Univ. in St. Louis - #1 in Volleyball
From: davej@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dave Johnson)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:40:01 GMT
Subject: Volleyball in Portland/Vancouver ??
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball

Where and when would I find indoor/outdoor volleyball in the Portland,OR
and/or Vancouver,WA area?  I am moving to the area in September and
would like to play some quality volleyball (when I'm not windsurfing, of
course).  I've been told by others I play in the upper-B to lower-A
USVBA level.  

Here is Boise, we play 6-person and doubles indoors during the 
fall-winter-spring.  During the spring and summer, we generally play 
grass doubles.

Thanks!

Dave Johnson
davej@hpdml38.boi.hp.com
From: kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: FAQ? - Killer Loop
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:13:22 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Aug18.183649.19458@med.umich.edu> ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
>
>What's a Killer Loop?
>   I assume it's the name of a pro-beach sponsor, but is there`
>actually a volleyball shot where players call it a killer loop?

These are a type of sunglass that most of the Pro Beach Players use when
playing Beach Volleyball. I really don't know if there is actually a place
called Killer Loop, but I know its a very popular pair of sunglass on the
tour.

-- 
D. Kaena Freitas
/* My personal opinions mean nothing to anyone else but myself. */
/* At least thats what my wife keeps telling me................ */
/* I believe she is right...................................... */
From: stonek@rollout.tymnet.com (Ken Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Outdoor net set
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:29:24 GMT
Organization: btna

In article <1992Aug12.221252.22890@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
>
>   Oops, in my typing frenzy I said those nets were $700. They are only
>   about $300 and that includes shipping.
>
>
>
>                                              - Drummer -


	Comes with a 48" vertical leap kit in the $700 set.

	I am familiar with the Centerline net.  But when I look
at the pieces involved I cannot add up the costs.  Why should this
net cost 300 bucks?  Besides someone's pocket, what is the cost breakdown
for the parts?  Or am I missing the boat and this is 50 bucks
in materials and we are buying the name or whatever?  It is definitely
a good net.

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From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Improving play by watching tapes
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:29:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: crashnburn

Hello,

I taped as much Olympic volleyball as I could (which means NBC's
iNtentionally Butchered Coverage), and am in the process of copying it to
new tapes, without the commercials and most interviews.

Anyway, last night, I went to the last class of the quarter at the local
community college and played the best volleyball of my life (so far). At
least that's the impression I got when I talked to one of my buddies in 
the class. He's a really good player (tho stature challenged) and said that
I'd really improved in just that one night. (No, I'm not ready for the
next Olympics, tho I wish I even thought I had an outside chance :-) 1/2 ).

About the only thing I can think of that improved my play so much, besides
playing at least 3 days a week for the last 3 months, was watching the men's
and women's teams play, on tape.  They do the same things: pass, set, hit,
block, dive, serve, over and over again, and the closeups and slo-mo's are
good, too.

Actually, I think I'm starting to push the limit imposed by my current
physical condition-I figure I'm starting to reach a new level of play every
time a joint (or set of joints) starts to tire in a new way.  First it
was my ankles/arches-I'm now wrapping both ankles when I play; the wrap
strengthens my ankles and also supports my arches. Now, the muscles
holding my knees together get a little fatigued; and their is a hurt at
the top rim of my knees.

I need a little advice on cross training.  The next round of classes don't 
start until the end of Sept., and their are only a couple of open gyms
a week (that I know about). ( I hate jogging!).

So, anybody else see an improvement in their games as a result of watching
the Olympic players?

Rick
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball,alt.binaries.pictures
From: haggerty_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Preseason Poll's
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:00:09 GMT

  In a prvious post Dean Wagner writes....
 
> If I remember right, Ohio State graduated 3 starters, and the other 3
> were all freshmen.  At least, that's what I remember seeing when they
> played Illinois.  I personally think Illinois has a chance of passing
> OSU in the big 10.  They graduated nobody (apparently lost 1 junior,
> though), and still made the NCAA tournament last year.  I don't remember
> much about Penn State, but I remember them being together in the
> rankings with UIUC and OSU.
> 

	All I know about Penn State is that they barely beat CU at College Park 
in last years NCAA. 
	On the note of Illinois, does anybody know if the Anne Conway that
transfered was from Denver. I recall a Anne Conway from Denver but wasn't sure
where she went to play. 
	On who is better the Illini or OSU, unfortunately CU will find out as we
play both this year as well as UCLA, USC, and Wisconsin all on the road. This
doesn't include the home-home series with Nebraska. This year will prove if
Brad Saindon is a good coach or just a jerk.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball,rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.brazil
From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
Subject: Re: Who played from '88?
Reply-To: wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:44:09 GMT

graeme@research.canon.oz.au (Graeme Wong See) writes:

>I'm curious to know what happened to those from the 88 team who tried out
>for the US team. I know Timmons got in, the other guy Cv??????? played.
>What happened to Craig Buck and Doug Partie and whoever else tried out. What
>was the reason for them being cut?

Fortune and Sato stayed with the team from '88 to '92.  (I think Sato
took a brief leave, but he came back.)  Of the ones who came back from
Italy earlier in '92, Timmons, Partie, Ctvrtlik, and Stork made it onto
the first team (i.e. starters).  Craig Buck, who has played indoor vb
for 20 years and has been plagued with knee problems for the last few,
got tired of practicing with the second team every day and dropped out
and retired from indoor vb during pre-Olympic practices.  Karch, the
only other '88 vet, decided to stay with his family and become King of
the Beach instead of traveling to Barcelona.  For the other 6 players,
Ivie, Hilliard, Briceno, Becker, Greenbaum, and of course Saumelson,
Barcelona was their first Olympics.

Eric Wang
wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Ankle Braces for Injury Prevention
Summary: Question as to whether the new hard braces are helpful
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:47:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: random.1992Aug19.204703.18394
Distribution: na
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Originator: chris@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu


Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about the hard shell
ankle braces that I've seen and vaguely heard about?  The volleyball
equipment supplier Teamworks, carries a pair of hard shell (probably
a plastic material) ankle braces that are advertised as a preventative
as well as rehabilitative brace.  They have a hard shell that straps
around the ankle, with foam on the inside.  For lateral support, they
have straps that decend into the shoe to what probably is another shell
located under the arch of the foot.  I guess the idea is that one wears
these in place of tape.  Apparently, they come in pairs, so that you
would wear both to prevent injury.

Now I heard that many collegiate teams in Canada wear something like this.
Perhaps made out of metal but essentially the same concept (the whole team
wears them to prevent injury).

My questions would be: Are they effective? Are they heavy?  Do they fit
most people well? Do they fit inside just Lo-Top shoes, or do they fit
Hi-Tops as well.  Is the product from Teamworks, the same or similar to
what Canadian teams wear?

My motivation is simple.  I injured my left ankle last Spring, and anything
I can do to guarantee that I don't injure my ankles again, I'll gladly
try.  I don't want to have another 6-12 month injury, and I don't want to
cripple myself by having one too many ankle injuries.  I'm really not
interested in trying other types of ankle braces that reduce forward-
backward movement either.

Chris
From: jordan@pitt.edu (Kenneth D Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Urgent: Pittsburgh fall volleyball?
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:45:39 GMT
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jordan@unix.cis.pitt.edu

Help!!!

I just found out that we lost our local gym to a school basketball
program, and we're desparate for places to play.  Ongoing programs
are fine, as are gyms available for rent.

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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: FAQ? - Killer Loop
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:19:11 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network


   Besides being a style of sunglasses made by Bausch & Lomb (which I
have a pair of and I love!), it was named after a move by some
windsurfer. If you see the logo for Killer Loop, the little "swirl"
thing is the move this man did, called a "killer loop."

   Yes, a little trivia for you folks...



                                            - Drummer -