From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:57:39 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov17.175130@IASTATE.EDU>, jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
> 
> However I still believe that the name of the group "...islam.ahmadiyya"
> sufficiently differentiates it from what you would call pure islam. Also as I

It is the ahmadiyya group who themselves claim to be a different religion
from the rest of Islam. They claim, the muslims believe such and such and
the ahmediyyas believe such and such.  The Muslims have the Sunnah of Prophet
Muhammed (SAW) to believe such and such.  If the Ahmedis believe something
else, what is their source to believe such and such.  If it is not the Sunnah,
then they should reflect why it is not so.  But it is part of the sunnah
that is some of their source.  However, it is only A part of the Sunnah that
is their source.  Accept *all* of the Sunnah and there can be no doubt
why Islam is Islam, and the Ahmediyya cannot claim to be the same religion.
The pure Islam is that of following and abiding by the Holy Quran and 
the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (SAW).  *ALL* Muslims have to strive to 
follow the teachings of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah.
It is very, very, clear.  

May Allah (swt) give all the Muslims, Hidaaya', knowledge, 
and the strive to learn what IS Islam and what SHOULD be
their duties. Amin.

> said earlier, use of the names "islam" or "muslim" by any one does not deprive

No muslim can deny their claim to call themselves 'Muslims'.   But *all*
Muslims have to follow Prophet Muhammed (SAW) for he is the perfect
example and transmitter of the Holy Qur'an.  Allah (swt) has asked this
of us.  Those who are servants of Allah (swt) ie. Muslims are required
to follow Prophet Muhammed (SAW).  

	Say (O Muhammed), "If you do love Allah, follow me; Allah will
	love and forgive you your sins; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving,
	Most Merciful." Al-e-Imran 3:31.

	By the Lord! They can have no faith, until they make you
	(O Muhammed) judge in all disputes between them, and find
	in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but
	accept them with fullest conviction. Al Nisa 4:65.

	Whosoever obeys the Allah and His Prophet is in the company
	of those on whom is the Grace of Allah. Al Nisa 4:69.

	Whosoever obeys the Prophet, has indeed obeyed Allah.
	Al Nisa 4:79.

	Whosoever opposes the Prophet after the truth has become
	manifest unto him, and follows a way other than that of the 
	believers, We shall let him follow that to which he has
	turned and shall (in the end) roast him in (the Fire of)
	Hell; an evil retreat.  Al Nisa 4:115.

	O you who believe! Put not yourselves forward before Allah
	and His Messenger (Muhammed), but fear Allah, for Allah is
	He who hears and knows all things.  O you who believe,
	Raise not your voices about the voice of the Prophet, nor speak
	aloud to him in talk, as you may speak aloud to one another, 
	lest your deeds become vain and you do not (even) percieve (it).
	Al Hujurat 49: 1-2.


> any group of any privileges or cause any harm. The only "harm" being caused is

	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
	None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother
	what he wishes for himself.
		It was related by al-Bukahri and Muslim.

	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
	A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim.
		It was related by Muslim.

> the "mental agony" being suffered which seems more self-inflicted. 

	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said: Be in the world as though you 
	were a stranger of a wayfarer.
		al-Bukhari.

This world is to be lived in merely as a traveller, a passer by.  Whether,
the group gets created or not, does not affect Allah(swt).  Allah(swt)
is Self-sufficient.  But our every action and intention does affect 
what is to be our final destiny.  We are created for the sole purpose
to serve Allah (swt).  And we please Him by serving Him.
It is every Muslim's duty to enjoin right and forbid wrong.

	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
	Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it 
	with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with
	his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his
	heart - and that is the weakest of faith.
		It was related by Muslim.


	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
	He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is
	not of it will be rejected.
		It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.


	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
	Beware of newly invented matters, for every invented matter
	is an innovation and every innovation is a going astray,
	and every going astray is in Hell-fire.
		It was related by Abu Dawud and at-Tirmidhi who 
		said it was a good and sound Hadith.


	Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said:
	None of you [truly] believes until his inclination is in 
	accordance with what I have brought.
		A good and sound Hadith which has been transmitted from
		Kitab al-Hujja with a sound chain of authorities.

> 
> I wouldn't deprive anyone the right to contest the Ahmadiyya claim, however,
> just as the Ahmadiyya's have a similar right, as long as the debate is purely
> intellectual and verbal.
> 
> In any case if a "muslim" thinks what he/she  practices in or believes in is
> what (s)he calls "islam" then its his/her privilege to do so. Only God (if there
> is such an entity) will decide whether they have been following the "true"
> Quran.   

Only Allah (swt) has Sovereignty over all things.
> 
> 
> 
> --Javed. 


May ALLAH (SWT) forgive me if I have said anything wrong.  If anything
good is made out of all written here, it is from the Blessings of
ALLAH (SWT), and if anything wrong, it is from my own wrong doing.

Rukhsana [a servant of ALLAH (swt)] Merchant