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From: fisher2557@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Faster disk access now available
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:10:40 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

For those of you looking for the program that does direct disk access at high
speed (faster than ProDOS even!) it is now available in comp.binaries.apple2
ready to go.  It's called "UltraFast".  I had mistakenly posted the name
earlier as "DuoDOS" or "DuoDisk" or something like that.  It's BinScii'd, but
not shrank. (it got bigger when I shrank it!)  Enjoy.
(DOS 3.3 and ProDOS, probably will work on a gs, too)

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From: bkogawa@pro-apa.cts.com (Bryan Ogawa)
Subject: Re: NDA Ideas
Organization: AppleWorks Programmers' Association - (213) 463-9289 300-1200-2400
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:42:31 GMT

This is about the Mines DA. I finally got it, and if noone has heard that
it was posted to the binaries, I might post it there. (I don't have access,
so it would go through the email gate at berkeley). Basically, the version
is very similar to the Windows version: and they do use Shift-Click for the
2nd mouse button (although they don't have the ? feature...). However, the
objective is slightly different: get from one corner to the other.
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From: djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick)
Subject: AE RGB card question
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 09:55:15 EDT

Ok, here's my current setup:

Apple IIe (enhanced)
8mhz Zip Chip
No Slot Clock
AE Ramworks II w/3megs and RGB card/monitor
Apple DMP Printer
1 20meg Sider and 2 85meg Seagates

Question: Why does the RGB continually display Double Hi-Res graphics
in BLACK AND WHITE?  It's a bit annoying, and I'd like to find out why.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green)
Subject: Re: FTP mail...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:14:33 GMT

In article <8292@orbit.cts.com> karsten@pnet51.orb.mn.org (E. Karsten Smelser) writes:
|
|        I'm attempting to use FTP through mail - one question...who do I send
|it to?
|
|                e.g.   ???@tybalt.caltech.edu

You don't use FTPmail like that. You must do the following:

send mail to one of the ftpmail servers (I used ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com)
and use the ftpmail commands to connect to tybalt.caltech.edu.

There should be a man file on ftpmail for your system but some of
the most common commands are:
reply <mailaddress>   sets return address (ie your address)
connect [host [user [pass]]]   system you are going to connect to
chdir PLACE    directory to move to
get FILE    name of file to get

check the man file for further info
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From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Ramfast and Tape Backup units..
Date: 29 Aug 92 11:04:52 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri Aug 28 92 at 07:28:19 (EST)

> From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
>    No kidding?  That wasn't my question.. Read it again..  :)  I was
> asking how to get the ramfasst to unwrite protect the tape unit, cause
> if I can get the tape unit to show up in finder as not write
> protected, then it won't be write protected in any other gs/os program
> either.. comprende?

Like Todd, I'm at a loss as to understanding what you want to do. For backing
up you would/should use the RamFAST utility as that is what it is designed
for. I would suspect that Drew intentionally makes the tape write protected
outside of the utility program so as to avoid complaints from users who would
find a tape drive incredibly slow for random access writing to.
 
Now you did mention something about wanting file by file access, well, in case
you didn't know it, when the RamFAST makes a backup, yes it makes an image of
the drive/partitions being backed up, but that doesn't prevent you from access
the backup media...even if it is write protected. You can always read from it.

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From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Flopticals...any successful usage out there?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:00:43 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>Does this imply that MO's will work (the 3.5" 128meg ones)?

Not with the mechanism Tulin sells. It takes 3.5" floppy type media, and uses
optical tracking to access the 20meg media.

I don't know of any reports about whether the 128meg units will work with the
RF or the DMA SCSI. Your guess is as good as mine.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
From: Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:12:16 EDT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Need help with compression progs
Organization: IBM - PS/1 Development
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <1992Sep3.000443.6470@iscsvax.uni.edu> fisher2557@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>I am just getting into ftp and was trying to download some programs from
>wuarchive.wustl.edu and was stumped as to how I am supposed to unpack programs
>with a ".Z" extension on them.  Could someone please post a list of most common

You can look in the FAQ (should be any day now) to see the common suffixes.
Also the help file for ShrinkItGS has a listing.  BUT, the neato thing about
wuarchive is that if you do the get for the file and don't add the .Z suffix,
it will decompress it for you (i.e. to get the file 1968.Z from wuarchive you
can type 'get 1968.Z' and get the compressed file or you can 'get 1968' and
it will send you the decompressed version).  .Z is a mainframe semi-standard.
To decompress on the mainframe try 'decompress' or 'uncompress'.  I also
think that ShrinkIt handles .Z files, that way you can send a compressed
file over the modem instead of a binscii file.  Of course if you have
sciibin compiled on your mainframe, then you should convert the file to
.SHK or .BXY on the mainframe and send that file via modem.

Pauley
GEnie: P.Benson1
From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:  SHR -> TIFF/PICT converters?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:59:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

We ran shr stuff over to the Mac via AppleShare... perhaps Studio8 is looking
for an AppleFileExchange format ???

Marc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Blue Helmet & TimeLord
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:37:41 GMT


RE: Blue Helmet crashing
TO: John Blaby

Well, since I don't have a ZIP ( I have a TWGS ) and you do, and because
Blue Helmet doesn't crash on my system but does on yours...I think it could
be safe to assume to the ZIP may have something to do with the problem.
Please disable it, or slow it down, and let us know if Blue Helmet acts
better.

Joe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Word Processing software?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:03:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.141843.19400@yang.earlham.edu> deviant@yang.earlham.edu writes:

[ ]
>
>Ever since I've gotten WordPerfect it's bombed quite frequently.  The 
>printer drivers have messed me up quite a bit, and they no longer support 
>the IIGS (or appearently the NeXT either, and I loved using WP on the 
>NeXT).  I'm not saying it isn't useful, just that it isn't even to the 
>quality that WP 4.2 was on ibm's or MS word was for the XT compatibles.  
>That's pretty bad if you look at how old those are.  (Though I admit it 
>does work better than the WP 2.0 did on the Mac)

This is not to defend WP, but they still support the NeXT. They have decided
to upgrade their current version to 6.0 .

It would be nice to have TeX, a graphical interface to it and a text based
WYSIWYG mathematical word processor for the GS ( like EXP for the PC) with
a TeX translator. I guess it is really not WYSIWYG as that is often taken to
mean graphical, but EXP is very fast and rather good at creating 
mathematical documents.

WP, Word, etc...are really not up to technical typing in my opinion.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: List Manager Optimisations - Programmer - Help
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:05:42 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep1.224906.11886@fawlty.towers.oz.au> johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean) writes:
> This is one for comp.sys.apple2.programmer :
> 
> INFO:
> [list manager just scrolls and redraws new items]
> 
> PROBLEM:
> I have a list box where this optimisation doesn't work (because each
> list item is drawn with a custom "item draw" routine which modifies
> the corresponding palettes - the scrolling does not scroll the palettes
> of course, only the data).
> 
> QUESTIONS:
> I find it hard to believe that such an obvious problem has always been
> in my software without anyone reporting it previously.

According to the Toolbox ERS from the Golden Master CD-ROM (no, I
don't have the System 6 Programmers Reference, yet...), the list
manager doesn't bother to call the draw routine for list members that
will be completely clipped.

Before doing this, it calls ScrollRect to scroll the list to its new
position (see IIgs Technical Note #74).  Prior to System 6, the
listDraw routine was called for all members INCLUDING those which had
scrolled.  This is no longer done - system 6 only calls listDraw for
the newly visible items.


You might be able to get around it by invalidating the entire list
rectangle, forcing all items to be redrawn.  You would need to trigger
this whenever the list was scrolled, and it would look ugly!
-- 
David Empson

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From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: PnP Demo
Summary: my copy here doesn't seem to work
Keywords: does it work?
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:27:25 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

I have downloaded PnP.Demo.SHK and it doesn't work.  GSHK unpacks it
fine (ie. reports no maladies), and I can view the dox, etc, but when
it runs, the text screen goes to gibberish and then the screen
blackens and the thing hangs.

Suggestions anyone?  Does it fiddle with my battery RAM or something
(like checking if a certain value > X, and not running if so??)  Maybe
sticking my name in the BRAM wasn't a good idea?? :)
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Blue Helmet & TimeLord
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:12:35 GMT

In article <BttAtq.J64@well.sf.ca.us> joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn) writes:
>
>Yes, Blue Helmet is public domain. I personally uploaded it this past week
>to both CompuServe and GEnie.

Is Blue Helmet supposed to load in a text way, and then crash after a few
minutes? Just curious. It's actually quite impressive. It needs some music,
and for someone to finish it!

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Flopticals...any successful usage out there?
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:41:49 GMT
Organization: BBS

>Lot's of companies have 900 numbers...

Yes, but only AE make Apple II call the 900 while Mac people don't.  Like I
said before, if AE charged the Mac people for tech support too, then it's okay.
 But in this case, they are discriminating the II users.

The reason they give is because Apple II users call them and ask them questions
when they don't even have AE products.  Well, why don't they just refer them to
Apple's customer assistence line?

These are my own opinions.

frank m. lin
fmlin@terapin.com
cyprus systems
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple II RWTS codes.
Keywords: Apple //e FOREVER
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:03:44 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <9V5wPB1w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP writes:
>And put together a DOS together in a couple of days. Beside in the book 
>Understanding the Apple IIe that author claims that ProDOS READ_BLOCK is 
>better and faster than RWTS.

Yes, it is.  The stuff in DOS 3.3 reads the raw data and then analyzes it,
while the ProDOS routine analyzes it while it's reading (where analyze ==
convert from 6+2 encoding to plain data).

>Austin C. Phelps                bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP

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[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: kentm@aix.rpi.edu (Michael V. Kent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: IIgs telecom programs...
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:05:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.gdzyf5d
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <fmlin.1cey@terapin.com> fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:
>While ProTerm seems really nice, I always wanted to see a GS specific telecom
>program.  Some may say QuickDraw II is too slow for telecom...  how about
>ORCA's Prizm?  Prizm can scroll by one line as fast as the text mode, and
>scrolling by page is only slower by a little bit.  And the font is monospaced.
>Normally, the special Shaston 8 ( fastfont ) is the fastest.  But it's not
>monospaced, and scrolling by page is really slow when compared to Prizm.  The
>size of the font used in Prizm will allow at least 80x23.  Probably 80x25 if
>you don't use the menu bar & the window title.

I'd be happy with a GS/OS-based terminal program that had all of ProTERM's
features, even if it were text-based.   The text screen would provide the
speed, and using GS/OS for memory management would allow the use of inits
and DA's (I mean make them more compatible).  Who knows, you might even be
able to run it in background with GNO.

Now that I think about it, what I REALLY want is ProTERM GS.

Mike

-- 
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opinions expressed are solely those of the author.    Apple II Forever !!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)
Subject: Need a Replacement 65C816
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 10:51:32 GMT

I recently sold my Transwarp GS (sorry, it's gone) and when I went to
replace my original 65C816 chip I found it was not working.  This doesn't
suprise me, since it's been sitting loose in a box for two years, but it
does present a problem.  Where could I get a replacement?

I called a couple of local electronics supply houses, and while they had
plenty of other chips in the 65xxx family, no 65C816, much less 4mhz ones.

No, I can't buy a Zip.  I need the moeny from my TWGS for other stuff.

Please Please Please reply in E-mail.
From: platkus@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProTerm 3.0/VT-100 emulator/vi editor
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:09:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:


>Why not just acclimatize one's self to using the 'h', 'j', 'k', and 'l'
>keys... I have.  h is scroll left, j is down, k is up, and l is right.
>pretty simple.  Oh yeah, control-f for forward scrolling in chunks and
>control-b for backwards scolling in chunks.  Look at the mans, there
>are quite a few obscure commands that can be used in vi, if one takes
>the time to check them all out.

>A.P.K.

C'mon folks, if you have arrow keys, you should be able to use them.
From all of the responses I've heard about this vi an arrow stuff, there may
be more to it than I think, but when I purchased PT 3.0, my arrow keys did
not work on some machines that used vi, but did work on others.  This was
with using vt100 term emulation.  I had been using proterm 2.2 with vt100
and the arrows always worked on any vi I used.  So, I called up the InSync
BBS, and they knew about this problem, and they updated the vt100 terminal
emulation for PT 3.0.  So, I got this file and it solved my problem.  This
seems to me like it would work for the guy who origionally posted this 
question.

-Shawn


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Ramfast and Tape Backup units..
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:54:20 GMT

behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:

>b) tape units can be used for other things than backing up some MB of data.
>   I'd like to use it for exchanging data with friends in tar format.
>   Of course, I can't, because I cannot write to the tape. *Sigh*

Here is the fallacy. You CAN write to the tape; just not the way you think you
should be able to. I said this before: Tape Drives Are Not Random Access. You
can't treat them just like disks -- however you can fake it if you are only
going to read from them, and the RF lets you do that, but only that.

You have essentially three options, in order of increasing feasability:
	1. order the RF programmers docs and write your own tape driver into
your program.
	2. wait for CVT to write a GS/OS tape driver for the RF.
	3. buy an Apple DMA SCSI and use the SCSITAPE driver.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Renaissance...
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:57:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu Sep 03 92 at 14:22:20 (EST)

> From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
> In article <m0mP9WM-0000NpC@crash.cts.com> ncp@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Neal
> Pitts) writes: >>> Will Harmonie drive DeskWriter? <<
> >
> >Harmonie will drive DeskWriter.  If the add says it will drive DeskJet, then
> >don't worry because the DeskJet and the Desk Writer are the same printer;
> one >for the Mac (Writer) and one for the PC (Jet).
> 
> The DW and the DJ are not the same printer ( direct from HP technical
> support). It's not just an issue of different coloured cases.

Correct. The DeskWriter is a Mac specific beast that has an Appletalk
interface. It won't work from ProDOS 8, but can be used from GS/OS if one uses
the DeskJET driver PLUS the high speed serial PORT driver the Bill Heineman
wrote. 

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From: frechett@DMI.USherb.CA (Bruno Frechette)
Subject: Hypercard on IIgs... does it exist?
Summary: Does Apple make Hypercard for IIgs
Keywords: hypercard, IIgs
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:22:51 GMT

Hi!

A friend of mine asked me this question a while back and I still don't know
the answer. Can you guys help me? Does Apple make Hypercard for the IIgs?
If yes, is it fully compatible with Hypercard for the Mac?

Thanks for any advice. Please mail to me.


-- 
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| frechett@dmi.usherb.ca |   "Because it FEELS great!"  - The Fisher King  |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Flopticals...any successful usage out there?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:13:42 GMT

In article <1808n7INNjgc@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) writes:

[ ]
>
>	If they didn't have an 800 number and just had a regular long distance
>number, I wouldn't mind.
>
>	Yet they are making a profit off of the 900 number, which is used 
>by Apple II people (did they do the same thing to the Amiga folks?).. 

Yes that's true. It probably goes towards paying the bills. There are few
new AppleII() users. They don't need as much hardware as someone just
starting. I believe they simply stopped supporting the Amiga completely.
>
>	If Apple II people are still buying their products, which apparently
>people are, why would it cost any more to support II users than anyone else?
>They're just being discriminatory in a VERY unusual way.

Because they are trying to get Mac business. If it takes that for them to
keep supporting the AppleII(), then why not. On the other hand, should 
a competitor come along with better products (eg. Econ,  Zip) then I would
imagine people would buy from them.
 
I've had several AE products. I can't say anything one way or another about
them. I do think they put the fan in the Conserver in the wrong place!
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mmunson@corsair.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: PV-3D HELP 
Keywords: PV 3D graphics HiRes
Reply-To: mmunson@corsair.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:53:18 GMT


If you are looking for information on how to work the Perspective View 3-D Animation
Toolkit for 8-Bit Apple //'s, I can provide you with the information you need.

Send E-Mail or Post request for info.
From: IBY236@URIACC.URI.EDU (Andy Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: IIgs telecom programs...
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:57:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


   I wouldnt even mind a GS specific term program that uses text mode.
 What a perfect companion for GNO.  Anyway....it has to be as feature
 laiden as Proterm.  Ahhh....the things that dreams are made of....
 Good luck in the coming semester everyone....

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 |  Andy Kress  |  Univ. of Rhode Island  |  IBY236 AT URIACC.URI.EDU  |
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