HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Destruction of church by Israelis
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:16:41 GMT

GDMENDEN%MTUS5.bitnet@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu writes:

>   On August 5 the Israelis bulldozed a Greek Orthodox church under
>construction in the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.  The Isrealis
>claimed that the church had been built illegally, although the church
>officials had applied for four years without success for a permit.
>The Israelis since their occupation of East Jerusalem in 1967 have
>allowed virtually no Christian institutions to engage in construction.

It's very easy to take half-truths and distort them to one's ends.
The simple fact of the matter is that Israel, like other nations, has
both zoning laws and bureaucracy.  Both Arabs and Jews have to deal
with both in Israel.  I do not know whether no permit had been granted
because of slow bureaucracy, or because the church would have been in
violation of some zoning ordinances.  But, in both New York and
Jerusalem, one simply does not construct buildings without permits and
if one does, one can expect to have it torn down.

The only difference is that, when it happens in Jerusalem,
Israel-bashers jump on it and make an international incident out of
it.
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3402 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:6037 talk.abortion:39238
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 12:06:42 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Sep29.174017.20251@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>If you press up against a woman without her permission, she doesn't have
>the right to blow you away.  If you try to stick your dick in her without
>her permission, she does.  How can one argue that those 3 inches separates
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>you from rights and no rights?  Simple - those 3 inches are part of the
>body of another person.                

Hehehehehehe.  From a *serious* *contender* in the dick-size wars!!!

Thanks for the laugh, Larry.  Not only do I agree with you (obviously),
but I consider it extremely well put..!!!

(-:

Adrienne Regard

Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3578 alt.rush-limbaugh:6667 talk.politics.misc:49843
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: damning statistics
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:10:30

In article <kekuQGu00WBM07xcx=@andrew.cmu.edu> Andrew E Johnson <aj1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

   I am looking for a series of statistics
   that are most damning of the Bush administration. 


How about unemployment?  In George Bush's line of work, four out of
five experienced men are unemployed, none by choice.

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: USA #1 in NOT Ratifying Human Rights Treaties
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 02:03:49 GMT

harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>The Decline of America: USA #1 in NOT Ratifying Human Rights Treaties

>United States      S       S          R

>...it should be pointed out that getting
>this signed by Bush took a tremendous amount of pressure over a
>prolonged period of time.


As usual, Harel likes to ignore small facts, like the United States
Constitution, when they disprove his anti-US political agenda.

If you want to blame anyone for not ratifying the treaty, then blame
the branch of government which is responsible for ratifying treaties.
(Clue #1: Its not the Executive Branch, and its not the Judicial Branch.)

MD
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From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:13:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.160852.15543@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <qhbz8l#@rpi.edu> keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
>>
>>and when you post this data, mr. krueger, could you
>>please include your sat scores. thank you.
>
>Is this another one of those male-competition, penis-size things?

Given that this outburst came from Jimmy Keegan, the accurate answer is that
it's one of those male-inability-to-compete, lack-of-penis-size things.

								- Kevin
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3434 alt.rush-limbaugh:6254 talk.abortion:39540
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:28:08 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Village Waterbed
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In  <1992Sep28.210029.27300@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>  krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.183546.152964@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com write
> >In  <1992Sep28.162350.7937@sniap.mchp.sni.de>  frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de
> >> We could save some money by not funding abortion rights, I guess.
> >
> >Actually, no.
> >
> >An average of $4.40 in health and welfare costs is saved for each public
> >dollar spent on family planning services.
> >
> >For every $1.00 spent by government to pay for abortions
> >for poor women, about $4.00 is saved in public medical and welfare
> >expenditures incurred as a result of the unintended birth.
>
>  Yeah, and if we kill everyone, public medical and welfare expenditures
> will be zero.  That's something that I didn't expect to hear from the
> "caring" political party.

Well, thank you for cutting out the part where I said that saving money
was not the issue.  I was simply correcting an erroneous statement.

Oh - and I am not a spokesperson for any political party.

(What an idiot.)

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: "Totalitarianism" in Nicaragua
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:30:39 GMT


Lost cause indeed, look at what happened when a free election was held
in Nicaragua--they had had enough of socialism, and voted for democracy.
And look what happened in Eastern Europe and the ex-USSR.....

Socialism has been discredited thorughout the world, but it still lingers
in the PRC, Cuba, North Vietnam,North Korea, and the US....

Simon
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From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: "Ditto" Anti-Choice?
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:53:00
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu's message of 27 Sep 92 22:48:11 GMT

>>> Has anybody confirmed or denied this rumor for poor Jym?

=o= Nope.  But don't worry about me -- I'm finding this whole
stupid dialogue amusing.

> Does Limbaugh teach his cult members to be proud of being
> idiots?

=o= Well he does encourage them to chant "ditto", so as to
assert unthinking agreement with his idiotic opinions.
    <_Jym_>
__
I'm delighted that Barbara Bush is with me today, and I -- She got a
 good, clean bill of health yesterday from Walter Reed Hospital, I
 might add, and then -- But I'm taking another look at our doctor.  He
 told her it's okay to kiss the dog -- I mean -- no -- it's okay to
 kiss your husband, but don't kiss the dog.  So I don't know exactly
 what that means.
                -- President George Bush, who once said his wife
                   ``epitomizes a family value''.
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3400 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:6028 talk.abortion:39159
From: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Improving the nation's infrastructure
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:30:07 GMT


On the 4th of June this year (1992) Democratic Senator Albert
Gore of Tennessee introduced a bill, S. 2813, as a companion to a
pending House bill, H.R. 2772, that would establish in the GPO
[Government Printing Office] a single point of free online public
access, through federal depository libraries, to a wide range of
federal databases that contain electronically stored public
information. The Gore bill would also provide public access to 
agency databases through computer networks like the Internet and
the future National Research and Education Network (NREN) for a
fee, not to exceed "the incremental cost of dissemination." The
House bill, the GPO Wide Information  Network for Data Online
(WINDO) Act of 1991, will be considered at a hearing tentatively
set for July 23 before the House Administration Committee. The 
full text of the new Senate bill, the GPO Gateway to Government
Act of 1992, is in the Congressional Record on page S7600. It was
referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee. 

A broad spectrum of research, educational and public interest
organizations support H.R. 2772, including the American Library
Association, the Association of Research Libraries and the 
Medical Library Association. Because it will give the general
public access to a wealth of government information, this bill
should lead to a more open government and a better informed 
electorate, aims which, I think we would all agree, are in the
best interest of this country. I would hope that members of the
network community will support this important legislation and
other similar legislation to come by supporting Bill Clinton and
Al Gore for president and vice-president.

	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
	Bitnet: 	bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
	Audio:		Ken Fisler
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From: frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de (Frank O'Dwyer)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:23:50 GMT

ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
: bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte) writes ...
: >Actually, Mr. Grand Pooba of goofs, pro-life is the correct term.  It
: >is so because most people against abortion are also against such things
: >as doctor assisted suicide and pulling the plug.  
: 
: And against arms manufacturing, 

What, NOT make arms?  

:and against guns, 

Aren't guns arms?  Anyway, you're kidding right.

: and against letting people starve, 

People need to lose weight...

: and against war, 

But war creates employment...

: and against high-fat diets, 

I like ribs, myself.

: and against driving too fast, 

Might spill my drink...

: and against mountain climbing, 

are they some kind of commies, Ray?

: and against car racing, ...

I'd like to see them say it to Bruce Springsteen.

                 8-)

: 
: Yes?
: 

Yes, Ray.  Strangely enough, you may count me out when you're canvassing support 
for guns, war, starvation, etc., etc.,...   You can race cars and climb mountains 
(eating ribs all the while) if you wish, as that only risks your own fool neck.  

Now Ray, that I've accepted your setup, you are going to tell me that all of this 
will cost me, and my wealth is finite, no?   We could save some money by not 
funding abortion rights, I guess.  How many villages in the third world would 
that save, do you figure?

: Ray Fischer
: ray@netcom.com
--
Frank.ODwyer@ap.mchp.sni.de     "There are no unborn people, there are fetuses,
                                 or people not yet born (and hence not real)." 
				   - Ron Bense '92
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: "Totalitarian" Sandinistas, etc.
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep29.031639.27278@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:53:53

In article <1992Sep29.031639.27278@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:


   Isn't the FMLN communist??  I thought that they lost in a democratic
   election-because the people had had enough of them??  What is wrong
   with the opposition parties.  I'm curious why some are sympathetic to
   communism??  When I was in high school I actually got in trouble for
   openly expressing anti-communist sentiment-in America!!

   Simon

Tell more about this trouble.
--
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*
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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:21:09 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1992Sep25.193212.22684@advtech.uswest.com>, by steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak):

> Has anybody confirmed or denied this rumor for poor Jym?  I haven't
> heard.  Though, Nolte and other sheep are already buying Snapple in
> droves :).

Gee, thanks Steve.  I didn't know that all it took to become famous on
the net was to get under your skin.  You make me proud.  Bring on the
Snapple!

Bill Nolte

Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3326 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:5933 talk.abortion:38593
From: keegan@pan.crd.ge.com (James G Keegan Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:01:43 GMT
Reply-To: james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Disclaimer: i speak for myself only, unless noted otherwise

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
-> keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
-> >and when you post this data, mr. krueger, could you
-> >please include your sat scores. thank you.
-> 
-> Is this another one of those male-competition,
-> penis-size things?

oh no, mr kereger; it's just something i sometimes say
to people who i think are misogynist twits.
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: "Totalitarian" Sandinistas, etc.
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:22:03 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


Check my earlier posting- I cite examples of what happened back then.

Add to that having a run-in with a teacher because I had recomended the 1987
film "Amerika" as a good movie to watch.  I also was prohibited from bringing
a documentary into the class because apparently she was concerned that it
might portray nuclear warfare in a positive light--that was the only
explanation offered.  Absurdity is truly mind boggleing.
But now I can rejoice- Communism has been discreditted the world over.
Now if only th people in Cuba, PRC, North Korea, and North Vietnam would
come to their senses......
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:26:15 GMT

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:

>>> We could save some money by not funding abortion rights, I guess.

>> Actually, no.

>> An average of $4.40 in health and welfare costs is saved for each public
>> dollar spent on family planning services.

>> For every $1.00 spent by government to pay for abortions
>> for poor women, about $4.00 is saved in public medical and welfare
>> expenditures incurred as a result of the unintended birth.

> Yeah, and if we kill everyone, public medical and welfare expenditures 
> will be zero.  That's something that I didn't expect to hear from the 
> "caring" political party.

Why, what a truly moronic response that was, Ted.  You're some piece of work.

> Somebody once said "Let them die then, and decrease the surplus population." 

Charles Dickens wrote that, yes.

> Is this the kind of guy that pro-abortionists want to use as a role model?

Believe me, if I could write like Dickens, I wouldn't be hacking Unix for the
City of St. Paul.

Btw, aren't you the fellow who claimed to be Randall Terry's brother-in-law
in alt.fan.dan-quayle?

> "Vote Democrat.  It's easier than getting a job."

Getting a job is rather difficult these days, isn't it?

-- 
Chris Lyman  /  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  /  #include <std.disclaimers.h>
           "Remember! Arguments should be FUN!" -- Jessica McGeary
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: "Totalitarianism" in Nicaragua
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:08:15 GMT


I get the impression from this thread the those posting it support
the defunct Sandinista party in Nicaragua, is this correct??

Simon

Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3369 alt.rush-limbaugh:6007 talk.abortion:38851
From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: CWA Membership (was: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?)
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:01:48 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Distribution: usa
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR

In article <JYM.92Sep22101720@remarque.berkeley.edu>
jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>=x= But even if the claims about CWA's membership are uncharac-
>teristically accurate, their relevance escapes me.  Polls of the
>American public -- and most especially American women -- shows
>that the views of NOW and NARAL have much, much greater support.

Nonsense!  As near as I can tell, the public is almost evenly split on the
issue, as evidenced by the vote in Washington.*  A majority is Pro-Choice,
but a majority is also against any government funding of abortion or using
abortion for birth control or sex selection.  As NOW and NARAL are for
abortion on demand and for government funding of abortion, it is fair to
say that they are just as extreme as those who would outlaw it.

* In 1990, Washington state, a state said to be strongly Pro-Choice, voted
on a measure said to make Roe v. Wade part of Washington law.  The measure
passed, but it was so close that the outcome wasn't know until weeks after
the election.
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From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Children
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:56:22 GMT

harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>"The U.S. ratio of school age children per teacher (23 to 1) is worse
>than 18 other counties including Libya, East Germany, Lebanon, and
>Cuba

Of course, this doesn't tell you that:

	1. The density of student in the other countries, where
	   there may only be on average 5 students per sq mile
	   as opposed to the US which may have 10 students per sq mi.

	2. The "quality" of the education the student receives.

	3. Are you really implying that the education a child can receive
	   in downtown Lebanon is really better than that which they would
	   receive here in the USA?


Once again, just another attempt from Harel et al. to bash the USA.

MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613))
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Reagan/Bush PRIORITIES
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:06:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.155808.22980@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.011730.3358@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>>
>>>The point of course is that genuine cuts in the military are not even
>>>on the table (for discussion) so that the really important programs
>>>must all compete in a "zero sum game", ie, one's gain equals another's
>>>loss:
>>
>>The point of course is that the military budget only equals about 30%
>>of the US Budget, with entitlement programs and debt service equaling the
>>other 70%.
>
>Funny that debt servicing and entitlements are limped together since the
>debt service could be seen as being for deficit military spending.
>-- 
>

Or deficit social spending.


-- 
Chris Fischer (fischer@serum.clpd.KODAK.com)
They never even listen to my opinion, why would they make it policy?
"The healthy gum tissue of our liberties are being eaten away by the 
 periodontal disease of government regulation." - D.Barry
From: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ken Fisler)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Improving the nation's infrastructure
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:22:13 GMT


On the 4th of June this year (1992) Democratic Senator Albert
Gore of Tennessee introduced a bill, S. 2813, as a companion to a
pending House bill, H.R. 2772, that would establish in the GPO
[Government Printing Office] a single point of free online public
access, through federal depository libraries, to a wide range of
federal databases that contain electronically stored public
information. The Gore bill would also provide public access to 
agency databases through computer networks like the Internet and
the future National Research and Education Network (NREN) for a
fee, not to exceed "the incremental cost of dissemination." The
House bill, the GPO Wide Information  Network for Data Online
(WINDO) Act of 1991, will be considered at a hearing tentatively
set for July 23 before the House Administration Committee. The 
full text of the new Senate bill, the GPO Gateway to Government
Act of 1992, is in the Congressional Record on page S7600. It was
referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee. 

A broad spectrum of research, educational and public interest
organizations support H.R. 2772, including the American Library
Association, the Association of Research Libraries and the 
Medical Library Association. Because it will give the general
public access to a wealth of government information, this bill
should lead to a more open government and a better informed 
electorate, aims which, I think we would all agree, are in the
best interest of this country. I would hope that members of the
network community will support this important legislation and
other similar legislation to come by supporting Bill Clinton and
Al Gore for president and vice-president.

	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
	Bitnet: 	bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
	Audio:		Ken Fisler
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