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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:45:23 +0000
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From:         weber@RHRK.UNI-KL.DE
Subject:      Re: TCPIP File Transfers

In bit.listserv.novell you write:

>Novellers,
>I am familiar with using FTP as a means of file transfer but it appears
>that certain systems have trouble with FTP {e.g E-Mail, VM/VMS etc}.

>Would anyone know how to use Kermit or other file transfer protocols with
>TCPIP.  Thanks in Advance for any and all assistance.`

>Please post to the NET

I had such a setup running, when I was connected to our sun via a
"telnetting" terminal server. MSKermit runs without problems over a
Telnet session. It's newest version has even built-in TCP-IP support, so you
can run it via your ethernet card and an appropriate packet driver.

(but anyway - I'm not sure if that's the info you are looking for..
 If I'm wrong, could you clarify your question?)

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr

P.S. Yesterday I tried to answer another request on UUDECODE etc
    by personal mail, but it has obviously found it's way to the list.
    I have to apologize, sometimes I seem to be not as clever as my mailer:-)

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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:43:08 PDT
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From:         Mark <BOYD@PEPVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      PMail Problems

I'm also sorry to ask these questions here, as I know there is a PMail list
out there, but I've forgotten where it is at the moment.  Anyway, I've got
two problems using PMail v2.2R4 -

1.  We have two users (SUPERVISOR equivalent) who cannot send mail between
    servers without using our Charon gateway, ie they have to type
    MBOYD@SERVER1.PEPPERDINE.EDU in the To field, instead of SERVER1/MBOYD.
    The thing is, it works for everyone else, myself included.  Nothing has
    changed, other than we performed the upgrade to R4 a couple of weeks ago.
    Also, one of the users is my Boss and he's not happy about this.  The
    error message he gets when he tries to bypass the gateway is the full
    screen message about being out of directory entries, not having the ID for
    PMail to access the other server correct, etc.  We know those aren't the
    reasons since it works for the rest of us.  Also, his ID is setup EXACTLY
    like mine, which works.  Any suggestions?

2.  When we create a PRIVATE Phonebook, it comes up READ ONLY - even for the
    person that created it.  I haven't looked into this one much, it may be
    that I've got some configuring to do, but has anyone else seen this?

Well, sorry this is so long, but I'm getting really frustrated with this.
Thanks for your help.

                                        Mark Boyd
                                        Pepperdine University
                                        boyd@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
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From:         HONSOWET@CWU.BITNET
Subject:      MAIL: PC <-> MAC <-> VAX ;What's Best?

        We are looking for a Mail package that will connect:

                PC - DOS
                PC - Windows
                MAC
                VAX

        I read the latest article in INFO WORLD.  They evaluated Beyond Mail,
cc:Mail, DaVinci eMail, Microsoft Mail, and QuickMail.  Does anybody have any
tips on what's good?

Thanks

Jeff Honsowetz

Desktop Computing Support Center
Central Washington University
honsowet@cwu.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:37:58 -0400
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From:         LIM003@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject:      backups with Palindrome
X-To:         novell@suvm.acs.syr.edu

Hi!  I'm about to recommend Palindrome's Net Archivist as a backup system
to be used at my work - does anyone have any good/bad things to say about it?

(We're currently backing up a 240 Meg H/D; however, we'll be increasing it
with backing other servers - probably about 1 Gig soon on Netware 3.11;
running Dos 5.0 - any suggestions?)

Do appreciate any suggestions/ideas.

Thanks.

Ju-Lien Lim
Western CT State University

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Bitnet: lim_lul@ctstateu
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:11:37 PDT
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From:         Kam Lai <LAI@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 3C501 Driver
              16 Apr 1992 08:35:00 PST from <Jim_Uomini.Hum@MAILGATE.SFSU.EDU>

We had the same situation here to convert from 3Plus to NW 3.11 where we
had a lot of 3C501 cards.  We are using the DOSODI driver from netware to
get the 3C501 to work with NW3.11.  However, the card will not work with
anything less than a 386SX PC (for some unknown reasons!)  Anyway, you may
use the DOSODI as the following to use those 3C501s:

LSL
3C501
IPXODI
NETX

By the way, we replaced most of the 3C501 by either 3C503 or 3C503TP.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:24:58 +0300
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From:         Shahar Steiff <CERRLSS@TECHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 10BaseT spec question

>
> Hello,
>
> For some new 10BaseT runs we are planning, our purchasing dept. inadvertantly
> purchased shielded twisted pair instead of unshielded twisted pair.  Does
> anyone have comments on running 10BaseT over STP instead of UTP?  I have heard
> different comments from different people, as to how well (if at all) this will
> work.  Obviously, I don't want to intentionally run problematic cable, but
> since we have the cable, I pose the question...

STP will outperform UTP ! You can use longer cables with less noise.

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:59:56 -0400
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From:         tmorris@ATHENA.SPH.UNC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Novell 3.11 Server, Time, & NTP

Someone (Chris) whose address I've lost, wrote:
>Is there any way for a Novell 3.11 Server to automatically switch between
>Daylight Savings Time and Standard Time every spring and fall?  All UNIX
>machines have been doing this for years!
>[...]
>Finally, we have an NTP (Network Time Protocol) server on our net.  Is there
>any way to get the 3.11 Server to set it's time to that sever?

Hear Hear! I heartily agree with BOTH requests! Please, Novell, could
both of these functionalities be added?  Automatic (a la U*ix) switching
of DST/Standard times, and the ability to use an NTP listener to keep
proper time? Please?

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:37:01 EST
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From:         VILLIELM@SNYNEWVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: HP JetPort
              13 Apr 1992 12:24:01 -0700 from <dosadi@MILLS.EDU>

Several people have asked me about the $199 deal I mentioned for the HP
JetPort.  I found out about it through a direct mailing from HP.  The offer
is a one-card-per-customer deal.  The phone number is (503) 750-3850.
I'm not sure that anyone can just call up & order one, but I can't see
why HP would do otherwise.

I'd also like to quickly summarize the replies I got when I asked for
evaluations of the JetPort:  I received only 4 replies, but they were
all excellent.  "More reliable than Intel Netports."  I still have not
determined whether these cards allow the printer to simultaneously service
Novell & Unix queues -- I'm still waiting on the HP agitprop.

Bob Villielm, Programmer/Analyst
SUNY College at New Paltz
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From: mgrjhb@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jon H. Bohlke)
Subject: Zenith server in unknown state!
Keywords: zenith,junk
Reply-To: mgrjhb@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jon H. Bohlke)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:04:33 GMT

Hi,
   I remember some talk a while ago about Zenith fileservers running the
appletalk VAPs going into an unknown state.  I have the following setup:

Zenith 386/20
Netware 2.15c
Mac Vaps 2.0 Printer and File services....

About once every 12 hours my server hangs.  It doesn't show up on a slist  
and when you try to type on the console you get no results (the characters  
don't show up).  The console has no error messages, and I can't find a  
situation that triggers the server crash.  Can anybody shed some light on  
this strange problem?


Jon

please respond to jon.bohlke@rose-hulman.edu


btw - when the server dies you don't get any keyclicks and the Capslock  
key doesn't toggle.....  ;-(
  
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:46:43 CDT
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From:         "Joan Aquatero" <YZCB@UTDALLAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: please help me connect.
              8 Apr 1992 09:38:32 EST from <RAY@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>

HI!

Message received.

Joan Aquatero<YZCB@UTDALLAS>
University of Texas at DAllas
Lan Manager
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From:         Jim Murphy <jmurphy@DAVINCI.SOE.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Zenith 20 Mhz 386 DX as File Server
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 Weber-Fahr [KIT]" at Apr 8, 92 7:29 pm
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We have had for over the past 13 months running under 3.11 a 386 DX - 16 Mhz
server with ISA bus and only 8 Meg Ram and no problems until we get to 70 to
80 users logged in at once on a 250 user system. Depending on your budget,
there is nothing wrong with a 386 DX 20 for 10 people but what is to come
in the future!

We also had two 325 MB disks with IP Tunneling loaded on the server and
usually runs about 30 -40 % with peaks in the afternoon up to 60 to 75%

BTW, we are in the process of upgrading the server to an EISA 486-33 due to
the heavy usage in our school.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:23:41 EST
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From:         HXR01 <elyah@FSYCC.USFSY.ABB.COM>
Subject:      Re: Problems with Cheyenne Arcserve (reprive)
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              NOVELL%SUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

          From what I have been able to gather from this forum...and
          from the personal experiences of myself and
          others....Backups on complex networks still need a clean
          well behaved solution. I am in the process of changing my
          backup process to Palindrome from an Emerald EMSAVE
          setup.....(I won't begin to comment on EMERALD!!@@###)

          While Palindrome is an improvement...there are still far too
          many gottcha's and kludges... non-existent menu options and
          too many command line options needed. I killed about 4 hours
          one day (while waiting for a call back from tech support)
          re: A simple restore of a multi-volume server to another
          server (which actually was a set of duplexed external drives
          which were to become the original server). After messing
          around with various tries at using a menu...figured out that
          the easiest way was to write a batch file .... after several
          tries (and finally one returned tech call which DID clear up
          a syntax & sequence problem....) I ended up with:
           A batch file which contained the commands:
          tna2tape /RR=Novtest\sys: /I /DCP111 UTIL01\SYS: \*.*
          tna2tape /RR=Novtest\apps: /I /DCP112 UTIL01\APPS: \*.*
          tna2tape /RR=Novtest\volume01: /I /DCP113 UTIL01\VOLUME01:
          \*.*

          ETC.....ANYWAY YOU GET THE IDEA ...Restore...otherwise known
          as retrieve was another somewhat similar batch file....(PS.
          FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY HAVE TO DO THIS SOME DAY NOVTEST IS
          THE TARGET OR COPY TO SERVER...UTIL01 IS THE SOURCE OR
          ORIGINAL just so you can not have to duplicate my 1st try at
          this;also the space after the volume: is a MUST.)

          Now what happens when I'm not around and a DEC operator
          tries to figure this out in an emergency situation???? Why
          isn't there a simple menu choice to do this???

          Sorry if I'm flaming...but what I'm really trying to say is
          that I think we all need to put pressure on Tape Backup
          vendors to improve their solutions for
          multi-server;multi-volume network backups ..and SOON!
          Helene Rosenblatt         Internet:hrosenblatt@abb.com
          ABB Combustion Engineering
          1000 Prospect Hill Rd.     Phone: 203-285-3629
          Windsor, CT 06095-0500
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Subject: Re: Apple Laserwriter on Novell Queue
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:38:41 GMT
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              92 10:40 am

The problem is that the laserwriter doesn't know what dBase is talking about.

It is looking for PostScript commands and finds none.

You must convert the text that you are generating to PostScript before sending
it to the printer.

As a work-around you might try to print the dBase stuff to a file and suck it
into WordPerfect and then shoot it to the printer from there.

At least you could see it print at the printer.

I'm sure that the USER will not be happy with this.

Unfortunately (sp?), the LaserWriter does not have the ability to switch from
PostScript to PCL.

To do that you would need a HPIIISi with the PostScript Rom installed.

Set the printer up according to the directions in PCL READY mode and when a
PostsScript job comes along it will automatically switch to PS and then will
 switch back to PCL READY.

Good Luck

Fhammond
NMSU>
> Bonjour a tous,
>
> I have some problems giving access a user access to an Apple LaserWriter.
>
> My setup is the following:
>
>     1st file Server with Netware 2.2 and NW4MAC.
>     1 WD Ethernet + 1 Dayna localtalk NICs
>     Queue attached to LaserWriter
>     Queue is published
>
>     Second file server with Netware 2.2 and NW4MAC.
>     1 WD Ethernet + 1 PDI Arcnet NICs
>     Queue attached to published queue of 1st server
>
> The user who needs access to the LaserWriter is the sole PC user in that
> departement.  When using WP or any software with an Apple LaserWriter
> driver and capturing to the queue of the 2nd server, the output gets to
> the LaserWriter and prints OK.  Same thing happens when using DOS print
> and a Postscript file.
>
> My problem comes when the PC user wants to print from dBASE using capture;
> the DOS text file gets to the LaserWriter who, in turns, spits out a page
> with an error message on it saying : [Error: stackoverflow;
> OffendingCommand: accounting] where "accounting" is the first word of the
> text file.
>
> I did go into Printcon and setup a job configuration for an Apple
> laserWriter emulating a Diablo printer; I got the same error.
>
> Does any one have a solution for me?  The user is constantly on my back to
> get this to work.  It's a case of : "We bought it, now make it work..."
>
> TIA for your help and support
>
> Jocelyn
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From:         Mark <BOYD@PEPVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Intel Cards

Sorry to ask this, as Intel Ethernet Cards have been discussed a lot lately
here, but has anyone gotten the 8/16-bit card (ie supposed to work in either
slot) to work in an XT?  We have not been able to get it to work and have
spent LOTS of time on the phone with Intel and they haven't been able to fix
it, either.  If we move the whole thing to an AT-class machine, then everything
works fine.  Any suggestions?  As always, I really appreciate any help you can
provide.  Thanks.

                                        Mark Boyd
                                        Pepperdine University
                                        boyd@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
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Reply-To:     David Lowe <DLOWE@GSLIS.UCLA.EDU>
From:         "David Lowe, UCLA GSLIS" <DLOWE@GSLIS.UCLA.EDU>
Subject:      Use IBM Type 1 Cable for 10BaseT Network

Hi, Folks:

I have a network cabling question.  Would someone be able to help or to
contribute some comments?

Someone asked me about the possibility of re-using existing IBM Type 1
cable in a building for setting up a 10BaseT Ethernet LAN without re-
cabling.  The person who suggested the idea is hoping that he can convert
some idle Token-Ring outlets into 10BaseT outlets, so he can save some
money on re-cabling.  Is this possible?  Why or why not?

I think it would be pretty messy to convert those neatly terminated Token-
Ring cables on the wall and on the patch panel and to use them for 10BaseT
Ethernet, so that person can save some money.  Is it worth the trouble?

I thank you in advance for your time and inputs.

David


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From:         Jeff <jeff@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Packet Driver and ODI.

         I've seen references to using the Packet Driver with the ODI
         drivers.  How is this done?  I've tried, but when I load
         IPXODI, it tells me the LAN adapter is already in use.

         BTW - We have been using the Packet Driver and Novell
         together harmoniously for quite some time; the trick is to
         use IBM's LAN Support Program (we are Token-Ring, of course).
         The catch is that you MUST use the 1.60v of IPX.OBJ (or
         earlier).

         P.S., please respond directly to me.  I had to un-subscribe
         to the listserver (I was spending 2.5 hours reading my mail a
         day!).

         Thanks,
         Jeff
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