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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Safety nets for Harry Caray
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:41:31 GMT

In article <0095F6FE.DC601C20@abby.chem.ucla.edu>, larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu writes:
>
>  A friend of mine just made a trip to Wrigley field and came back
>with an interesting story.  Because the Cubs were in the midst
>of a slump while he was there, he said the biggest source of 
>conversation in the stands when the 7th inning rolled around 
>was whether Harry Caray (apologies to the legend if I have 
>misspelled his name) would fall out of the announcer's booth
>when he sang "Take Me Out to the Ball Game."  Someone also
>told him that there Harry fell out once about 20 years ago, but
>at that point there was a large net below the booth that caught
>him. 
>  This story sounds somewhat strange, so I was wondering if
>any Cub fans out there could comment on whether Harry has
>taken any dives at Wrigley.
>  Thanks,
>
>-Lec Luthor
> Criminal Genius Extraordinaire
>
>Colorado Rockies opening day promotion: Fan Appreciation Day-
>  First nine fans in attendance get to start.
>

    May be that's the way to convince Harry that he should retire.

Edward Hui
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:17:28 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Alan Mills

In article <1992Aug12.080754.29585@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu
(Edward [Ted] Fischer) says:
>1990    Columbus        AAA     29.1    22      30      14
>        Yankees         AL      41.2    48      24      33
>1991    Columbus        AAA     113.2   109     77      75
>        Yankees         AL      16.1    16      11       8

I first saw Mills when he came up with the Yankees.  I was very impressed
by what I saw.  His fastball seemed to explode past hitters and if my
memory is correct, he was pretty much unhittable in his first few outings.
He got a lot of press in those first few weeks, and IMO it seemed he
started to believe he could throw the ball past anybody.

IMO he is a prospect if he tries not to be a power pitcher.  He has to
keep batters enough off balance so that his fastball surprises them (it
doesn't have much movement).  The at-bat by Carter in the third inning
was classic.  Mills kept hitting Parent's glove fastballs in, breaking
stuff away.  Carter kept fouling them off, but never got a good swing.
Then Parent set up outside and Mills threw smoke to the glove.  Carter,
expecting a braking ball, barely got the bat off his shoulder.

FWIW Bosman and Mills credit his success to three factors 1) better
control of his breaking balls 2) better understanding of how to keep
hitters off balance and 3) confidence in his ability.

>He was promoted directly to AAA, where he continued in line with his
>'89 numbers.  (You expect more hits and BBs with slightly fewer K's at
>the higher level.)  The decline in '91 is a natural result of
>attempting to convert him to a starter.  (Relievers have the easier
>job.)  And his major league stats are reasonably well in line with his
>Columbus numbers.  Acceptable H/IP numbers, decent-but-not-dominating
>K totals, and an ever-deadly lack of control.
>
>So he is a below-average prospect, right?  Kind of like Mesa or Otto
>or somebody like that.  But what has he done this year?
>
>1992    Orioles         AL      68.2    49      36      32
>
>His K and BB totals are about what you would expect.  But suddenly he
>has become unhittable!  Is this a fluke?  Or has he made some real
>changes?  I know he has decent stuff, but his fastball isn't *that*
>good, and it used to be pretty straight.  What is he doing
>differently?  (These stats don't include his most recent 5-inning
>shutout performance against the Jays.)

my two pennies.

Dennis Shea
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From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS)
Subject: Re: Orioles/Jays --> Game 4
Keywords: O's/Jay's Game 4 Highlights
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:47:43 GMT

In article <13AUG199217261617@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:

>About time--the Jays seemed to spend the entire month of July playing 
>California and Seattle :-) :-) 
>

	They spent July 3 to 26 playing nothing but Oakland, California, and
Seattle, with the break in between. They're finished with them for the rest
of the season. Good thing they don't have to face the Athletics anymore as they
are really coming around.
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From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: Emotional Attachment to Teams
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:34:30 GMT

In article <14AUG92.01607761.0028@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Don Soucy <AB47@UNB.CA> writes:
>>>
>> Marketing certainly has a big effect here in Canada.  People across
>> country consider the Blue Jays there home team, even in places as far
>  off as Vancouver.  In eastern Canada, many people used to root for
>  the Red Sox.  Now, most of them that I know root for the Jays -- and
>  not because they love Toronto as a city; they often have little good
>  to say about damn "Upper Canadians" from "Tahrahna".  I think a good
>  part of the Blue Jays popularity is that they are being marketed as
>  well as the beer sponsor markets its product.  Furthermore, the media
>  treats the Jays like the national team -- they are very jingoistic
>  about them.   A result is that even what appeared to be die-hard
>  Maritime Red Sox fans of 15 years ago have abandoned our beloved
>  BoSox for the Jays.
>
>  Over the past decade, the Expos seem to have lost any image they may
>  have had as Canada's team.  That could be English Canadian chauvinism
>  against anything from Quebec, but it certainly also has to do with
>  the Expos's record.  I'm sure will see more Expos fans not that
>>.they're toying with the top.
>
I think you hit the nail on the head when you talk about media effect on
the popularity of a team.  This "English Canadian chauvinism" isn't the
problem the politicians and the media make it out to be; in fact,
they're probably the worst offenders.  The Expos' biggest problem is the
Montreal sports fan attitude, cultivated by years of success from Les
Canadiens; as one former Hab put it, "I love these fans.  They're
right behind you, win or tie."  Let's face it -- the last few years
haven't featured many of either for the Expos.

Of course, the media can go totally overboard on a team, as they have
with the Jays.  My feeling, here with my head amongst the grass roots,
is that a World Series appearance by the Jays is a must, if they wish to
avoid a serious backlash amongst their "fans" (I use quotes to refer to
three-quarters of the people filling seats at the Dome); even now, many
of my baseball loving friends are looking to the Expos for relief from
"the media stuffing the Jays down our throats" (my roomate's term).  

Colin.
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From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.japan,fj.rec.baseball
Subject: Japanese High School Baseball Championship
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:46:30 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Labs. Musashino, Tokyo


  Japanese High School Baseball Championship(game on Thusday August 18)

(at Koshien)
Second round
Noshiro     000 000 000 0 3 5
Jinsei      100 103 20x 7 7 0
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Mets Protected list
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.174918.22912@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

>I suspect the Mets will probably lose one or two minor league pitchers
>and possibly a halfway decent role player like Daryl Boston or Mackey
>Sasser.  Realistically, though, there just isn't all that much in the
>system to lose right now.

Boston is a free agent, so he's gone regardless.  (I believe he has said that
he would go to a team that would be willing to give him a full-time job.)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:15:08 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dale Sveum

Dale was traded for relief pitcher Keith Shepard.

Dennis Shea
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From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Subject: Re: Total Baseball CD
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:27:45 GMT


In a previous article, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) says:

>I just happened to be leafing through a DAK catalog at lunch and came across
>somehting that may be of interest. The Total Baseball CD for those with a
>CD Rom drive. Its the "electronic version of the 2,629 page Total Baseball
>encyclopedia".
>
>Cost is $69.90 + 6.90 for postage and handling.
>1-800-325-0800 order # 3246
>
>Mailing address
>Dak industries inc.
>8200 Remmet Ave.
>Canoga Park, Ca. 91304
>
>I have not bought it myself, I just saw the ad, so don't take this 
>as an endorsement.
>
>
>

   A follow up note to this is that you also get Tony LaRussa's "Ultimate
Baseball" for free (a $49 program) when you order _Total_Baseball_ on CD.
It's a hell of a deal if you've got CD ROM.

SfH
-- 
Steven F. Hubbard                 **  That restaurant is so crowded that 
Case Western Reserve University   **    nobody goes there anymore. 
Department of Physics             ** 
Cleveland, OH 44106               **                   Yogi Berra
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From: chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Hui Mao)
Subject: Re: URGENT: Need Braves Schedule for 8/30,31
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:59:06 GMT

nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com writes:


>Hi. I'll be travelling through Atlanta on the 30th and 31st of
>August and I'm hoping to catch a Bravo's game if they are in town.
>From what I understand, most games are sold out so I may have to
>get tickets from a scalper, which isn't a big deal. I can't seems
>to find out if they are in town on those days and what times the
>games are at. If anyone has the schedule, I'd appreciate that info.
>Thanks.

Braves'll play Philys on Aug. 30 (1:35) and Mets on Aug. 31 (7:40) on
road. And they'll be back Atlanta on Sept. 4 starting series playing
Philys, Dodgers and Cubs (seven games) at home.

Hui

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From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: bye bye san fran!!! hello tampa bay
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.030906.25475@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I'm not usually a flame artist but, speaking as a White Sox fan, I must say
>that Tampa Bay has already accomplished this feat.  First, the local politicos
>built a dome and then started hunting down teams.  Bad, bad form.  Whay I'd
>really like to know, though, is why the Tampa-St Pete area requires a dome
>in any case, much less the Suncoast Monstrosity which is apparently barely
>fit for tractor pulls.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Bill Coleman
>clmn@midway.uchicago.edu

The local weather patterns bring afternoon and evening thundershowers
into the area throughout the summer.  Also, the humidity during the
summer (Which is from May to September in Florida  :-) !!! ) is
typically high, 80 and 90 percent.  It's hot enough for us young
folk, not to mention vast number of retirees in Pinellas County
(St. Pete).  So, as you know, rain and lightning does not mix well
with baseball, and the heat here can almost be unbearable.  So,
turn on the A/C, sit back and enjoy the game is our motto!

Also, for your information, the tracker pulls are done in Tampa
Station where the Bucs play.  The Suncoast Dome is the home of
the Tampa Bay Storm (Arena football).  Oh yeah, there have been 
a few flee markets held there too!  (Sad to say, that is not a joke)


DonO

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From: Paul Benjamin (benjamin@tuna.az05.bull.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Wrigley Field Quewstion
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:32:08 GMT
Organization: Bull HN

In article <1992Aug18.222546.19902@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) writes:
>
>	I potentially will be near Chicago in the next few weeks and
>	would like to take in a Cubs game.  I have been told there
>	is little or no parking at Wrigley.  You have to take
>	mass transit or find a spot on the street.  Is this true?
>
>	Mark
>

On a recent trip my sons and I went to a night game at Wrigley, 
never having been there before and without a decent map of the
city.  We left our motel in Downers Grove, headed east on the
adjacent freeway which eventually dumped us out downtown.  I 
recognized Halstead Street from a previous visit, headed north
on it through simply awful traffic, eventually saw the stadium
off to the left.  We then turned right on a side street where
we found a parking space.  There was also an enterprising young
man selling space in his yard.  This by no means even remotely
resembles the most efficient method but it worked.  

We had no tickets either.  It was SRO.  We went across the 
street to the 7-11 where a junkie attempted to sell us $7 seats
at $15 per.  Some yuppie looking fellow interrupted the 
transaction with an offer of $12 seats.  Missed two batters.
Cubs beat the Mets.  Sat next to the guy with the CUBS WIN
license plate around his neck.

Considering that we had woke up that morning in Lincoln,
Nebraska with neither tickets nor directions, it worked out
pretty well.
---
Paul Benjamin                 Phone:  (602) 862-4627
Bull HN Information Systems   Fax:    (602) 862-4535
Phoenix, Arizona              E-mail: benjamin@tuna.az05.bull.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 22:54:02 CDT
From: <U43461@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: infield fly II ?

Ok, thanks to all who helped me understand the rule. This may seem stupid but
I have another question about the rule. How far back to the outfield can a
popup be called an infieldfly? It sounds wierd but lets say the infielder runs
out to shallow or even mid-outfield area to catch a popup. Can the umpire still
 call it an infield fly? Is there a certain distance before it can't be called
that?

John
u43461@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Wrigley Field Quewstion
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.203208.3836@mips2.ma30.bull.com>, Paul Benjamin (benjamin@tuna.az05.bull.com) writes...
> 
>On a recent trip my sons and I went to a night game at Wrigley, 
>never having been there before and without a decent map of the
>city.  We left our motel in Downers Grove, headed east on the
>adjacent freeway which eventually dumped us out downtown.  I 
>recognized Halstead Street from a previous visit, headed north
>on it through simply awful traffic, eventually saw the stadium
>off to the left.  We then turned right on a side street where
>we found a parking space.  There was also an enterprising young
>man selling space in his yard.  This by no means even remotely
>resembles the most efficient method but it worked.  

That's Halsted, not Halstead. Also, although it gets you near the park, it is 
not the best way to drive to the park. This I remember from my four years at 
Northwestern during which I visited Wrigley occasionally to see the Expos beat 
the Flubs, er Cubs.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Twins win--gain ground in AL West
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:35:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.053656.10183@news.stolaf.edu> alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>The Twins, riding on a 3 for five night for Kirby Puckett, beat Seattle 9-6
>at the Kingdome.  Puckett had a 2-run homer, and a grand slam for 6RBI for the
>night.  Gagne also homered for the Twins.  Griffey, Jr. homered for the 
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>David West got the win, pitching 5 no-hit innings in relief of Bill Krueger.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Joel Alvstad
>
>Oakland lost to California 2-1 on a 2-run shot by Chad Curtis. 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

...and it was a full moon last night.

-Rick
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Orioles/Jays -> Game 2
Keywords: Ack! Phpt!
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:02:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Aug12.140827.19669@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) writes:
>
>All the scoring came in the 4th.  With no one out, Morris gave up 2 hits
>and a walk to load the bases.  He then struck out the next batter, gave
>up a single to Billy Ripken, to drive in one.  He then walked Parent to 
>drive in another.  Bases loaded, one out, Brady (90210) Anderson up.  Morris
>gets Anderson to hit an SF and then gets Devereaux out.  He escaped a 
>bases loaded no-out situation only giving up 3 runs.  Thank you very much
>for the SF->out. :-)

Is that supposed to be a good job of pitching?

>
>In the bottom of the 5th, Alan Mills got into trouble, with 2 out, Alomar 
>singles, steals 2nd.  After a very tough AB, Carter draws a walk.  Alomar and
>Carter take off on a double steal, but luckily for Mills, the ball bounces
>off Parent's equipment into the Jay's dugout.  Only one base allowed.  Mills
>then gets Winfield to ground out.  The play was ruled a double steal, but
>why then weren't Alomar and Carter allowed to advance *another* base on the WP?
>I don't understand that ruling.  That was Mills' last inning.

When a pitched ball goes into the dugout, all baserunners are awarded one
base from their position at the time of the pitch, regardless of anything else.
This is rule 7.052345, section B, subsection 1, sub-subsection M.  OK, I
don't know what rule number it is, but I know it's a rule.  Besides, someone
else with a rulebook will post the correct rule number.
This is a stupid rule, it should be left to the umpire's judgement as to 
how many bases the runner would have advanced.  Just like if a batted ball
bounces over the fence, all runners get 2 bases regardless, but if 
a batted ball is touched by a fan, the umps can decide hom many bases
each runner gets (usually it's 2, but I have seen 3, and Jim Fregosi
argued that Villenueva, the huge catcher of the Subs, should get *1* base
because he carries a piano along when he is running).

--dave
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:48:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Kevin Gross No-Hits Giants---and Wins!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

It just goes to show you how bad the Giants are this year when a 5 - 12
pitcher can no hit them.  IMO the Butler/McGee fiasco has now been exposed
for the mistake it was.  I like Swift but IMO the Mitchell trade wasn't
a real swift idea either given that we really lose 2 hitters now that head-case
Williams has no protection.  

Adios St. Pete Guppies.

************************************************
* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
*                                              *
* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
* Don't grumble, give a whistle - Monty Python *
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From: nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: simulation games
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:45:20 GMT
Reply-To: nss3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <10010662@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:

[stuff about PTP deleted]

>Almost everything you listed about PTP applies to Strat as well, except in the
>latter, ballpark adjustment applies only to home runs and singles.  What I
>would think are the advantages of PTP is the potentially more realistic
>fielding system, but I fear their cards are based on flawed statistics which
>make it no better than Strat's apparent basis on "placement in Gold Glove
>voting" for range.

Actually, PTP seems to use Range Factor [(PO + A)/Innings].  Though I
suppose one might say that only strenghtens Marc's point :-).  Still,
Range Factor is an improvement over Gold Glove voting (bleah!).  Omar
Vizquel a 3.  Riiiiight.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Marc "Dave" Sabatella		Disclaimer: OPS is not the One True Statistic
>marc@fc.hp.com			that makes all others obsolete
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Mmmm - po-ta-to chips!" - John Stuart Mill

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                             |(Heck, the Cubs sure aren't using him!)
From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Emotional Attachment to Teams
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:26:43 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Aug13.044836.28038@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Sherri's post got me to thinking about fans' emotional attachment to teams.
>Who or what are we rooting for, really?  The players - probably not.  The
>ownership - hahahaha.  The ballpark - almost as changeable these days as the
>players.  The logo?
>

When I first became a fan of the home team as a little kid, I think it was the
players that I rooted for.  I still like these guys even though I know that 
two of them are answers to the Village Voice quiz.

However, I still root for the same team, even though the players have
changed.  I find this irrational because I have no real reason to root
for them.  So I would like to ask the net this question to any hardcore
fans of any team out there:  Would you root for your team, even if the
entire personnel of that team changed, just because it's your team?

For example, let's say you are a New York Met fan.  You just heard it
was announced that the entire New York Met team was traded for the
entire Boston Red Sox team.  If you were going to a game that day,
would you root for the ex-Boston guys just because they were wearing
Met uniforms?

 
-- 
Warren Usui
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