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Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 15:57:19 EST
From: Linda Birmingham <ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The March in D.C.
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 <92101.125312ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <1992Apr12.172804.21244@cs.dal.ca>


In article  <1992Apr12.172804.21244@cs.dal.ca> Steve Franklin says:

>In <92101.125312ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Linda Birmingham) writes:

>>     Shall I list the number of prominent prolifers,
>>Mr. Franklin, who have publicly stated that they are opposed
>>to day care, equal pay, welfare to single mothers, access to
>>health care, etc. etc. etc.
>  Pro-life/religious are against day-care because we feel (supported by
>psychological studies) that it can have harsh retroactive effects on the
>child. Confusing the child at an early age with contradiciting maternal
>and paternal influences can lead to a variety of problems. As well, it
>means that the parents are spending less time with their children,
>resulting in a lack of education between teh parent and child when we have
>so little in our present age already. We cannot leave education of
>important concepts up to strangers. It must begin at home.

I can point to a number of studies that show day care
improves the psychological and intellectual development of
children, particularly low income children.  Further, there
have been a number of studies indicating that being
subjected to a life of welfare is detrimental to the
emotional, intellectual and physical development of
children.  Affordable day care and initiatives allow women
to get off the welfare system and teach their children self
sufficiency.  Further it allows women in abusive situations
the economic freedom necessary to leave and support their
families.

>   We are not against equal pay in any case silly. We believe in equal
>pay for equal duty. Go spend more time with REAL women and see what they
>have to say about it.

Both the past and present Chair of REAL Women have publicly
denounced pay equity programmes.  Maybe you should inform
yourself more about this group's policies Mr. Franklin.

>   We are not against health care whatsoever. THis is preposterous. We are
>aginst our money goin to support the thousands of abortions which we are
>so disgusted by.

You may have missed the fact, Mr. Franklin, that t.a reaches
outside of Canada.  The US does not have a national health
care programme, nor does the current "prolife" Bush
administration support such an initiative.  Maybe you should
read up a little more on world events.

>   Welfare to single mothers we support wholly. We respect the single
>mother who had the COURAGE and PERSEVERANCE to have the child when
>women like yourself would be screaming in her ear of the conveniences of
>the abortion as a solution.

The current federal government has reduced the amount of
transfer payments to the provinces that help pay for
welfare, even though the Canadian economy is in one of the
worst recessions since the Depression.  The number of
welfare applicants has skyrocketed and just about every
municipality is currently investigating reducing support
payments.  As has been pointed out by an American poster,
several American cities are implementing programmes that
will reduce welfare payments to women who have more
children.

>>And the prolife solution is to stand outside clinics shouting
>>at pregnant women that they are killers.  Think again my friend,
>>there is a thinking, feeling person involved in this debate
>>and she's not residing inside the womb.
>   We NEVER shou at the woman. We see the woman as a victim like the
>child.

I take it you missed the television broadcasts of what
happened outside Morgentaler's clinic and the fact that the
merchants of Harbord St. had to go the courts to get
injunctions because their customers, not even patrons of the
clinic, were being harassed by prolifers?  You have missed
the broadcasts of the behaviour that occurs in the US in
front of clinics?

>>The day I see a prominent, politically powerful, prolifer
>>stand up and say they are constructively working to end poverty,
>>hunger, homelessness, improve education, provide access to birth
>>control, day care, etc. etc. etc., I'll believe you Mr. Franklin,
>>but somehow I think that day is a long way away.
>   GIve me 10 to 15 years to get into politics dear.

The nice thing about living in a democracy is that the
people get to choose who represents them dear.

>Catholics fight against this every day along with
>other Christian and religiou dialects. The charity and effort we put
>into nourishing and supporting the impoverished outnumbers anything
>you could even dream of...

As I said the day I see it, I'll believe it.  Further,
Mr. Franklin, Canada is not a Catholic dominated country,
nor for that matter is it particularly dogmatic when it
comes to religious beliefs and please cite examples of this
charity and support that you offer.

>>"National day care is dead in Canada and I had the pleasure
>> of killing it" Benoit Bouchard, Minister of Health, 1992
>   and in the same breath dear, the Minister of Finance increased
>the benefits for mothers who have chilren, givin them the choice
>to stay at home by relieving their financial stresses. Doesn't
>seem so bad tome...

No in the same breath he said they were working on
programmes that "may" benefit mothers who have children.  No
definite increases have been implemented.  A programme has
yet to be developed.  The government is just now sending
notices to parents that receive baby bonuses that
information will be available in the future.  People working
in antipoverty organizations feel that eliminating the
availability of day care will result in more women on social
assistance and the adverse effects of social assistance are
documented.


Linda
--
"I believe a decade hence the Canada Child Care Act will be
regarded as perhaps the most important social innovation of
the 1980's.  Child care will be regarded by all Canadians as
a fundamental right" Brian Mulroney, August 11, 1988
(Benoit Bouchard's boss and leader of the current
Conservative party).
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