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From: richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson)
Subject: Re: Dallas Blindness (was Re: Dallas *rookies*, a synops*ice*)
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:30:24 GMT

Marcus A.Shaw (mas@aero.org) wrote:

: p.s., if you want a list of grade 'C' or lower players for Dallas:

: Ike Holt
: Jimmy Jones
: Vinson Smith
: Godfrey Myles
: Dixon Edwards
: Ray Horton
: Frank Cornish
: Alan Veingrad
: Tommy Agee
: Tony Hill
: Derrick Gainer
: Mike Saxon

There isn't a bigger Cowboy fan than myself, and although I appreciate
your weekly input regarding the Cowboys, I have to disagee with your
assessment of Vinson Smith's play.  He's a solid player, very tough, 
and one of the reasons Dallas Defense is ranked #1 in the league.  He's
also a great special teams player.  Ask Johnson, Wannstedt, or any of
the defensive coaches, and they will tell you the same thing.  There is
a reason why he is starting ahead of two second year players that 
Johnson drafted high (Myles and Edwards), because they think he is a 
better player.  Just my opinion, I have to stick up for one of my
favorite Cowboys.  Keep up the pro-Cowboy posts, and lets beat the
hell outta the Eagles this Sunday!

-- 
Richard Thompson
richard@ods.com 
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From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Subject: Re: Hail To The Redskins Song
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:22:52 GMT

This is the current PC  (Politically Correct) version of "Hail to the Redskins".
My grandparents (lifelong Redskin fans) taught me the original words.  See below if interested.

|> >>Hail to the Redskins
|> >>Hail victory                       (This line is correct)
|> >"Hail to victory", I think.   
|> >
|> >>Braves on the warpath
|> >>Fight for all D.C.
|> >I just wondering here, was it suppose to be "fight for old D.C." (This line is correct)

See Below:
|> >>Run and pass and score
|> >>We want a lot more
|> >>Beat 'em , swamp 'em , rush 'em 
|> >>Let the points soar
|> >>Fight on, fight on
|> >>Til you have won
|> >>Sons of Wash-ing-ton!
|> >>rah! rah! rah!
|> >
|> >>chorus

Scalp 'em swamp 'em 
We will take 'em big score
Read 'em  Weep 'em
Touchdowns we want heap more
Fight On! Fight On!
Til you have won
Sons of Wash-ing-ton
Rah! Rah! Rah!

Chorus

Come to your own conclusions

Dick Harkness
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: God did Young SUCK!
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:48:05 GMT
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I saw an entirely different picture of young. I thought he looked like a
great QB facing a Great D, when any team gets to the playoffs they throw
the flash and dash away and play the percentages. That is what SF, BUFF,
DALLAS and MIAMI did and that is why they get one more week.





G0 BILLS, GO SF

WE want YOU!

A Bills FAN...
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cold and Windy Candlestick
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:46:27 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1993Jan8.214552.14776@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1ikh0m$3a7@agate.berkeley.edu>, rhan@messier.berkeley.edu (Richard Han) writes:
>>If Candlestick is cold and windy AND rainy on Saturday, does the weather
>>necessarily favor the Niners?  On one hand, the Niners are used to
>
>The Redskins are quite used to cold and rain (from RFK experience).  But
>Candlestick Park has a reputation as one of the most windy stadiums in the
>NFL.  Rypien seems to be pretty poor at correcting for things like that.

Only if you're playing baseball...summer is the worst time of year for
cold and wind at Candlestick.  If these guys play in a storm tomorrow, it's
just the luck of the meteorological draw.
>
>In their game against the Vikings, the Redskins used Art Monk (WR) as a
>running back some plays.  I wonder if mud favors big players or small ones.
>
Great for pigs, but it won't do much for the hawgs, hopefully.

George Lambert
GO NINERS!!!!   PEAT!!!!
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:04:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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In article <C0pJMp.LKK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>>>What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
>>>he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
>>>the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). I
>>>
>>>What is everyone else's opinion on this?
>
>Ah, parity!  
>
>The rule, as I understand it, is that the 4 teams in the conference
>championships can ONE free agent IF they *lose* a player to free
>agency--and even then, the salary for the players lost/gained has to
>be about the same.
>
>For all the teams that are in the playoffs, they can sign ONE
>additional free agent, but there's a limit of $1.5 million per annum
>average.  They can replace departed free agents but no with players
>whose salaries exceed $1 million.
>
>Parity, yes, of sorts.  Also, another way of driving *down* salaries.

But isn't parity already existent when the Super Bowl Champions one year get
the same record in the next season as the team which had the worst record in
the previous season?  (Boy, did that sentence parse poorly...)

Reportedly, Art Rooney was behind this clause.  How is the financial situation
of the Steelers?  Sounds like a great way for Rooney to justify not picking up 
a star player on the free agent market.

On another front, Reggie White said he'd consider going to the Niners, Cowboys,
and Redskins in turn.  Well, the Niners and Cowboys aren't available to him now,
and unless he's willing to go to Washington for 1.5mil, looks like he's screwed.

This free agency system is looking pretty screwed already...

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Musberger's firing?
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:28:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I thought that CBS simply exercised their option to not renew Musberger's
contract which coincidentally expired when it did (NCAA finals.)  I
realize this is a fine line and depending on how you define "fired" will
make all the difference as to if you think he was fired or just let go
by CBS.  I agree though that he did not jump ship.
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:37:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 9514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.002739.6226@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
> >Do you even know if there will BE a draft?> Well, considering there's been an NFL college draft for the past 61 years,
> that certainly enough grounds for me.  Am I missing something here?
> Please enlighten.

Since the collective bargining agreement expired in 87,  the draft was continued
for 5 more years (92).  Until a new agreement is signed,  there will not be a 
draft.  The NFL says they will have one,  however,  the union will challenge 
(and probably win) the draft in court.  The point will be moot,  the judge in
the NFL case will dictate a new agreement,  which probably will have a 
draft,  though only 5-7 rounds.



---
Andy Knipp                    |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |

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From: oistony@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthony M. Petro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,misc.wanted
Subject: did anyone tape any/all of the bills/oilers game?
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

in a bit of nfl irony, those of us who would have most liked to see 
the bills game could not, since it wasn't sold out in time and was 
therefore blacked out within a 75 mile radius of buffalo.

did any of you bills fans (or other mildly curious spectators) happen 
to tape any/all of the game?  i would like to obtain a copy for my 
bills archives, and it seems that the nfl is adamant about not 
rebroadcasting the game at any time... apparently the blackout applies 
for all eternity.

please email, but i'll be out of town for about two weeks so i won't 
be able to immediately respond.

p.s.  please, no flames about buying a ticket to the game or running 
across the border to canada to see it; i'm a college student and 
cannot afford to buy bills tickets at any time during the season. 
hell, i can barely afford to buy sabres tickets ;) and the bars in 
fort erie were at capacity well before the game started.

thanks.

anthony m. petro   "beethoven"    i can say what i want; i'm just an undergrad
oistony@UBVMSD.BITNET             "frame by frame,
petro@eng.buffalo.edu              death by drowning,
petro@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu         in your own
                                   in your own...
                                   analysis..."
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Subject: Dallas, most playoff wins
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:24:19 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

With the Dallas win over philly, Dallas holds
the record for number of playoff wins (22).

Yep, that's right.  Not S.F., not Washington,
not the Raiders.

Brian
Go Cowboys
Go Baylor
From: barnes@cowboys.mfg.sgi.com (James Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dreams
Keywords: Win
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:42:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I had a dream last night.......
Dallas won the NFC Championship.
The score was Dallas-31   Washington-7



Talk about being out on a limb.................................
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From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Re: San Fancisco vs the NFC East
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:14:31 GMT

From article <1993Jan5.025752.14793@news.acns.nwu.edu>, by fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West):
> In article <1993Jan4.220852.22225@ntmtv> Jeff Martin writes:
>>
>>Part of the reason that the 49er's are atop thier pedestal is that
>>they are part of a weaker divison.
> 
> Huh?  Last time I checked, the NFC West had the best record in games with
> other divisions.  I know that early in the season the NFC East had the best
> interdivisional record, prompting much assertion that the East was the
> toughest division, but then came that week when they lost 4 of 5 games,
> and they haven't been on top since, as far as I know.
> 

Proof's in the pudding. Three of four of the teams left in NFC title
race are Eastern division teams. Two of those are Wildcard teams who
had road victories against divison winning Minnisota and first place
wildcard New Orleans. The like SF the Saints benefitted from playing
in a weaker divison than the Eagles/'Boys/Skins thereby securing home
field advantage in the wildcard round. Not that it did them much
good.

> Competitiveness within a division can be a sign of both universal
> excellence and universal mediocrity.  For example, it could be argued that
> if either Dallas, Philadelphia, or Washington were truly good, only one
> team from the NFC East would make the playoffs each year.  I'm not saying I
> believe that; I'm just saying that people could argue it both ways.  

OK lets realign a couple of divisions:

	Black & Blue		Powder Puff
	============		===========
	San Francisco		Tampa Bay
	Dallas			Pheonix
	Eagles			Seattle
	Redskins		New Orleans

Bet you this time next year the Black&Blue division has a 
number of series splits with no team running away with the 
divison title, possibly no teams sweep any series.  New Orleans
sweeps the entire powder-puff division not loosing a single game
and locks up home field advantage through the playoffs. When 
NO plays Philly in the dome in the playoffs who do you put your
money on. 

Bottom line is I don't consider the Black & Blue "universal
mediocrity" and the New Orleans the NFL premier team based soley
on win/losses of this skewed alignment. 

If a teams greatness was determined by dominating their division the Bears
would have been the "Team of the 80's". 

> ecw
> fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

Jeff Martin
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From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith)
Subject: Re: "The Catch" (WAS: Randall, Emmitt, and
Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:29:55 GMT

In article 93Jan12074335@puffin.ctt.bellcore.com, ik@puffin.ctt.bellcore.com (Ik Su Yoo ) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan11.190027.14379@ncsu.edu> mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>
>> I too cheered for the Niners over the skins' because as much as
>> I wanted home field for da Boyz, "The Catch" devistated me (I was
>> only 7 but believe me it did) and I have wanted a chance at the
>> Niners ever since.
>> 
>> Over/Under on TV replays of "The Catch" this week is currently 40.
>> I saw it 9 times yesterday alone.
>> 
>
>Why does the media and everybody else only talk about "The Catch"? If I
>remember correctly, after the catch was made by Clark Kent, there was
>almost a minute left in the game (55 seconds I think). Sure enough, D.
>White was marching down the field soon afterwards, until...  "Hacksaw"
>Reynolds sacked him and caused a fumble near the midfield. IMO, the
>sack/fumble was as an important play, since Dallas only needed a field goal
>to win. Does anyone else remember that part of the championship game?
>--

 Yes I remember it well. I also remember that Drew Pearson caught a pass
 from White and was gone for a game-winning (and would have been glorious)
 touchdown when some dude barely grabbed the end of his jersey and he tripped.
 Hardly anyone remembers that of course because of "The Catch", which is the
 most overrated play I've ever heard of. True, it was dramatic, but there was
 time left and Dallas damn near won anyway despite "The Catch".

 So here we have a Catch not even in the last seconds that was a jumping 
 two-handed catch (the jump wasn't even that high). You see catches better
 than that every year in the NFL. Hell, I've jumped up and made two-handed
 catches on the sandlot. For all the hype and replays of this catch, you
 would think it was a one-handed, diving, behind-the-back grab with 1 second
 on the clock. It was a good catch but all this crap about "THE Catch" is
 getting very old 10 years later.
 




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From: celio@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (John Celio)
Subject: Re: If and When
Keywords: more like when the chargers, bills win
Reply-To: celio@comet.SanDiego.NCR.COM (John Celio)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:22:34 GMT

In article <5196@equinox.unr.edu> schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell)
writes:
>
>Okay, let's just s'ppose here.
>
>Chargers beat Fish.
>Bills beat Steelers.
>
>Niners beat Redskins.
>Dallas/Philly whatever.
>
>The pairings for next week would be:
>Buffalo at San Diego
>San Francisco hosts game.
>
>Now, both games would be on sunday, and both games would be on the west
>coast.  Which game would be the "early game", starting at 10AM pacific
>time?  I can tell you right now, the Chargers would get screwed, and have
>to play the early game, fate is cruel to the Chargers in Afc championship
>history.  San Francisco would "pull rank" and demand the prime start time.
> Or what does youse think?
>
According to this morning's San Diego Union-Tribune, if this situation
arises, the TV networks are considering two possibilities.  The first is to
schedule one of the games on Saturday.  The other is to schedule one of the
games during prime time.  In the latter case, it would most likely have to be
the AFC Championship game since CBS wouldn't want to pre-empt ""60 Minutes."

John

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From: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary)
Subject: Re: Madden is an Idiot.
Reply-To: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary)
Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:59:32 GMT

In article <3246@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
|> There is a rumor that Madden has asked OU if he can take over the head
|> coaching spot there, so his detractors may not have to deal with him any
|> more after this season.
|> 
|> Daniel Welch

Help,
Does anyone know the address of "OU".  I would like to send them a letter of
recommendation.  I feel that John would be perfect (off the air).  Good luck
John..... don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Rocko
"I was a Steeler fan when Rocky was in Nam and Rush was in Pittsburgh"
From: buds@hpubvwa.nsr.hp.com (Bud Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Fat lady is singing
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:17:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Bellevue Sales Office
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Mark Schnitzius (schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu) wrote:
: Uh oh... The Eagles just went up 3-0.  I can hear the fat lady warming
: up her voice...

But, you did watch the rest of the game, right?
From: craigm@chateau-rouge.ICS.UCI.EDU (Craig MacFarlane)
Subject: Request for weekly scores for entire season.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:09:49 GMT

Does anybody have the weekly scores for the entire season, or any subset
thereof?  I'd really appreciate it if that could be posted or mailed.

Thanks,
Craig
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From: nix@ssdss5.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Hip Pointer
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:22:43 GMT

>what exactly, in layman terms is a hip pointer?  I know that
>everyone thought bo jackson had one before he was diagnosed with
>the muscle-pulled-from-the-hip thing..  Appearantly, Thurman Thomas
>has a hip pointer, according to reports i've heard..
>
>steve s.

A hip pointer is, like, a way cool hunting dog.  A hip pointer is also
an injury sustained when taking a hard shot to the hip area right above
the thigh.  The force of the hip bone hitting the tendons of the thigh 
csuses intense pain and even numbness for a while. It takes several
days for the inflamed tendons to recover, and in the meantime running is
very painful.

Nix
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Who would win this game?
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:43:18 GMT

The NFL champion used to play an exhibition game against the collegiate
all-stars.  Some were close, but mostly they were lop-sided NFL victories.

Nix
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From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: Re: Another Mike for new Bears coach . . .
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: New NFL franchises, St. Louis
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 07:10:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.060551.19049@news2.cis.umn.edu> anda@ahpcrc.umn.edu (Andrew A. Anda) writes:
>
>As a related note, If Walter Peyton is a part owner of the new St. Louis
>franchise, then expect to see current Bears assistant Johnny Roland named as the
>head  coach of the team--Peyton stated this years ago.

I'll believe that St. Louis will get another NFL franchise only when the
team plays its first game.  I've heard that the city is going ahead 
with its plans to build a new domed stadium.  Why the rush to become
football's equivalent of Tampa Bay/ St. Petersburg with the Florida
Suncoast Dome?

In my most cynical moments I think the NFL will drag its heals on
expansion until the St. Louis stadium has been built.  The city will
become desperate to attract any team.  And guess who might want some
leverage to force the city current hosting his franchise to build him
a new domed stadium?  Yes, Bill Bidwell of the Phoenix Cardinals.

It is in the interest of the owners to send cities a clear message that
unless they keep on building the new stadiums, adding luxury boxes,
etc. then the NFL will leave and never come back.  

Having Walter Payton as a proposed part owner of the franchise will
not help the St. Louis bid.  I doubt the owners are that anxious to
have a black join their club.

I would be deliriously happy if these predictions turned out to be
completely wrong.
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:29:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan7.152113.8242@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <3253@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>> Randall has never taken the Eagles to the playoffs, either; the defense
>> has.
>
>The Eagles defense was ranked #1 across the board last year.  Randall
>was out the entire year with a knee injury.  Philadelphia failed to
>make the playoffs for the first time in four years.  You were saying?

And they were playing great, until MacMahon went out.  You were saying?
If you stick a rookie, a *bad* rookie, in at quarterback, of course you
aren't going to win.  But the defense had them in the playoff hunt until
the very end.  If MacMahon had stayed in, they would have done a lot
better.  The fact remains that Cunningham is *not* the strength of the
team, the defense is.

Or look at it this way -- take away the great defense, give them an
average one, and the Eagles are out of the playoffs.  Take away Cunningham,
put in any average quarterback, and they are in exactly the same place
they are now.  That says to me that he is just another one of those
average quarterbacks.

>If you don't think the Eagles can make in with Randall then your hatred
>of the Eagles is much more blind than I ever thought it could be.

No just history -- Randall always tries to do everything himself, and
ends up screwing everything up.  When he plays like a team player, the
Eagles are much better.  But Randall's history suggests that this is
not always the case.

I don't hate the Eagles, I'm just sick of hearing about how great
Cunningham is, when he isn't even the best quarterback on the team.
I'd take MacMahon over him any day.  Cunningham may be the greatest
athelete in the world, but that doesn't make him a great quarterback.
The key to quarterbacking is leadership, and I don't think he has
ever shown that.  Look at the great quarterbacks through history --
Staubach, Tarkenton, Montana; not the biggest, strongest, fastest
guys, but the guys who can lead a team like no one else.  Cunningham
can't.  Maybe we should invent a syndrome; we could call it "the Danny
White Syndrome".  A better athelete who isn't a better quarterback.

Daniel Welch
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