Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:18:32 GMT+2
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
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In article ??? (Rune Hyldmo) writes:
> I am sick and tierd of all you Amiga-dorks out there trying to tell us that
> the new low-end amigas will crush the FALCON. 

There is no FALCON here in Finland so it is impossible to crush something
which doesn't exist.

> Have you stopped to think at all, I know it is a little to much to ask of
> an Amiga freak, but still...

I have not stopped thinking.

> The DSP does little to improve the Falcon. Are you saying that the NEXT is
> a bad machine. The DSP is to weak. I hope NOT. And the Falcon DSP is even
> better because of more memory. I will try top get an expert to write an
> article about the DSP and what it can do. You will be supprised of what it
> can do. 

Yes, it would be nice if some experts would write in c.s.a.a for a while.

> To get to my real point... 
> 
> When will the new chip-set at earlist be ready? In the spring of 93!!!

If you are talking about the new two chip set (not AGA), I personally would
be very happily surprised if it would be ready after 6 months.

> What will it be (specs.)? Who knows it is not ready yet so NO one knows.
> CBM can not be entierly sure themselves. Problems DO occure
> when making new chips.

Yes, sure.

> When will the low-end amigas at earliest be in mass-production? 

If you are talking about low-end AGA Amigas, I'm sure they will be during
the next 6 months.

> -In my oppinion in mid-fall 93 maybe even just before christmas 93..wow
> 
> How many Falcons is likely to be sold by then??  A LOT!!!!!

I wouldn't buy one.  I'm sure you will.  And many other persons like you.

> How much faster are the SCSI II Harddisks than the IDE-counterpart?
> 
> About TEN TIMES FASTER. (IDE: max. 1 MB per second transfer-ratio. SCSI II
> max.
> 10 MB per second. SCSI II is therfore MUCH better for use with for example
> CD-ROM and sound recording even though the IDE can handle
> Direct-to-HD-recording

But A4000 can transfer at 1.3 MB per second with IDE.  My A3000 has SCSI I
and it can transfer at 0.9 MB per second.  Even if SCSI II can transfer at
10 MB/s the hard disk itself can't.  But I agree, SCSI is better than IDE.

> What is the PRICE-DIFFERENCE between the FALCON and the A4000?

FALCON $ 800 and A4000 $ 3000, I recall.  FALCON is $ 2200 cheaper.

> The FALCON is $ 2 201 cheeper. O.K the A4000 has an harddisk, but by not
> suppliing it ATARI gives the costomer the choise of bying a SCSI II or an
> IDE HD and choose the size of the HD for themselves. You can get good
> bargains on an HD at a 3rd party dealer. That and the price WILL be an
> disadvantage for the A4000.

FALCON and A4000 are not comparable at all.  A4000 is so much better that
the price difference is understandable.

> If you do not think that is a problem, then why did the ST (not STE) sell
> so much when the Amiga costed only $ 200 more. The Amiga is and was a
> better machine than the ST so thats no excuse. WhaT we are talking about is
> $ 2 201 more for the A4000 That WILL stop almost everbody who is not
> filty-rich or a spoiled asshole from bying the A4000. The worlds economy is
> in recession.

You should not compare FALCON with A4000.  I wouldn't buy FALCON if I had
the money.  But then again, I am not sure I will buy A4000 either as I am
quite happy with my A3000.  Are you happy with your ST?

> FACE THE FACTS !!!! 
> 
> Are ATARI going to sit on their buts after the launch of the FALCON?
> 
> Hell, NO. They will be ready with the new FALCON 040 around christmas. It
> is said to be a MUCH better machine than the A4000. (24-bits TRUE COLOUR,
> same sound as on the 030, DSP 96K perhaps even multiple ones.

Yes, you should compare that FALCON 040 with A4000.

> They are also launching a new games console in the spring of 93. It has
> almost the same graphics as the FALCON 030, but without the DSP. AND a
> 64-BIT CPU plus the same sound as the 030. ATARI WILL RULE!!! 

64-BIT CPU?  Could you give me more information?  I thought that Alpha is a
64-bit cpu, but it can't be Alpha.

> FACE THE FACTS!!!!
> 
> Has ATARI not sold many LYNX? 

Are you comparing LYNX to A4000?

> HELL, NO. They have by now sold about 1,000,000 pices of it.

I thought that we were talking about computers, not Nintendos.

> Has IBM developed any new revoloutinary new chips the last few years?

Yes, new RISC and memory chips.  IBM laboratory is one of the best in
the world.

> No, not that I know anyway. INTEL made the chips for IBM.

I see.

> Then why should an IBM developer suddenly be able to make such great chips
> as CBM say the will?

What are you talking about?  I don't think that IBM makes any chips for C=.

> How the hell should I know!!!
> 
> Where are those developers that made the A4000?

You mean Dave and the rest?

> They got fired. Wonder why??!!!????

Dave has not been fired.  To my knowledge, no one else has been either.

> Where are those developers that made the A500??
> 
> They made the LYNX for ATARI !!!!

Now, what are theirs names?  These things are hard to believe.

> Do all developers leave CBM or get fired after making ONE product for CBM?

You tell me.

> I do not know, but it seems like it... Wonder why???!!!???

Why?

> What is the best product CBM ever made?

A4000, so far.

> The Commodore 64!! 

I bet you have one.

> Is not that a long time ago?
> 
> Thats just my point!!!

Sorry, didn't get it.

> FACE THE FACTS NERDS!!!
> 
> (I am just trembling when I think about the nerds revenge, I am sooo
> scared)

You shouldn't be.  This is only electronic mail.  No one will hurt you.

> Greetings??? from
> 
> Rune Hyldmo
> 
> If you complain about my spelling. Then I will be satisfied, because then
> you have not much to complain about, and remember I am Norwegian. We got
> Oil and polarbears are walking in the streets as we speak. No, they are not
> you dumb asshole.

Yes but we have Santa Claus living here in Finland.  You believe in Santa
Claus, don't you?

-- 
    Harri Pesonen               harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi
    Helsinki, Finland, EC?      hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi