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From: Harel Barzilai <harelb@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:03 PDT
Subject: On Cuba, the US & int'l terrorism
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From: Harel Barzilai <harelb>
Subject: On Cuba, the US & int'l terrorism

/* Written  4:17 pm  Aug 25, 1992 by worldpnews in cdp:misc.activism. */
/* ---------- "On Cuba, the US & int'l terrorism" ---------- */
/* Written  4:18 pm  Aug 25, 1992 by worldpnews in cdp:worldp.samples */
/* ---------- "On Cuba, the US & int'l terrorism" ---------- */
From WORLD PERSPECTIVES. Box 3074, Madison, WI 53704


CUBA
 The following comes from R. Havana:

The US state of Florida's Everglades National Park has become more
than a wildlife preserve and tourist attraction. Miami's terrorist
organizations of Cuban origins have turned the lush site into a
military training camps.

US federal authorities have made a number of statements over recent
months whose apparent aim is to convince public opinion that
Washington disapproves of the training camps and will prosecute
those involved, but no one has yet been charged or arrested.

Recent developments have revealed that the training camps are still
going on. Last month, four heavily armed individuals, three of them
of Cuban origins, infiltrated Cuban territorial water from their
base in Florida. The men, however ran into mechanical difficulties,
forcing the group to send out a call to the nearest US Coast Guard
cutter. Not only were they not arrested for weapons charges or
indited based on the Neutrality Act, the four openly told their
story to the Miami Herald, which promptly published their account
of events.

As a result, Cuba once again brought up the matter in the UN
Security Council, protesting the use of US territory as a terrorist
base operating against the island. The council, however, seems
inclined to support US impunity.

Meantime, Roberto Martinez, head of the US Attorney Office in
Miami, insists his office is ready to prosecute such cases.
Nevertheless, he refused to say whether any action is pending
against the Dade County organizers of the Dec 29 raid on Cuba that
resulted in the capture of three Miami-based Cuban terrorists and
the trial that ended up with two 30-year prison terms and one death
sentence.

The Miami Herald article also quoted FBI agent Paul Meyer as saying
actions against Cuba are hard to prove. Washington warns about
international terrorism, but turns a blind eye to US-based
terrorists. (R. Havana 8/21)
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: More on Phone Zap
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:49:46 GMT

rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:

>However, it is fuzzy, as one entity is a corporation, and the other is an
>individual. Harrassing a corporation, while somewhat more dangerous, seems
>to me to be far less destructive an act, than targeting an individual for
>harrassment. After all, 800 number operators get paid, regardless ...

A company makes a set profit on their product. If their costs go up by $X,
you can bet they will react by increasing the cost of the product to cover
that cost.

Although "calling an 800 number to express your opinion" may be construed as
a "good thing", it in reality isn't. Why?

 1. These numbers are generally "product information" lines, etc., where the
    consumer can call if he/she has a question.

 2. The company 800 operator rarely has any ability to take dictation as to
    what actions the company should take to satisfy the political fancy of
    Group X.

 3. It would be much better for those wishing to express their displeasure
    about a company's actions to write a letter explaining such to a person
    of appropriate authority. In fact, the letter could even be a "petition"
    of sorts, with several names, etc.

 4. Activist groups know #2 and #3 to generally be true.


Hence, one can only conclude that:

 A. activists are too cheap to pay the postage to mail their letter, and have
    to leech off the company, just like people have been leeching off the
    government for years, or

 B. they intentionally want to flood the 800 number as an act of harassment.


>Targeting an individual

A corporation is considered to be a legal entity.


MD
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From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:09:15 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <92244.145348U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>, U19807@uicvm.uic.edu sez:
>In article <1992Aug30.224700.15365@oracle.us.oracle.com>,
mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) says:
>>
>>In article <92243.163225SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>
>>>Bush makes invalid claim about Clinton raising taxes 128 times...
>>>Clinton responds that by same criteria, Bush did it 327 times...
>>>Third party says real score is Clinton 59, Bush 78...
>>
>>>Now here's the clincher.  The way I see it, Clinton was not lying because
>>>he had already stated the criteria was bogus and was merely showing that
>>>if you apply the same Bu1!$h|+ to Bush, he's even worse...
>>
>>Excuse me, but don't you think 327 vs. 78 is significant?  I just love
>>the way the Clinton weenies bend over backwards to pretend that their
>>idol always tells the truth.
>
>Pardon me,sir,but it seems to me that you've failed to read the above post,
>as it clearly states that "by (the) same criteria", the Clinton score is
>lower than the Bush score as far as raising taxes is concerned. the original
>"327" number doesn't even enter into it.

I second the motion that Friedman take some remedial reading lessons.
This gaffe on his part is especially pointed, considering his remarks
(to me) in article <1992Aug29.230744.19538@oracle.us.oracle.com>:

           > Mark, read the damned post before you reply.  

Neo-con, heal thyself.

-- 
      I am George Bush, miwwionaire.  I own a mansion and a yacht.

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Who Were the "Contras" ? (IV)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:47:07 GMT

In article <9209040733.AA14150@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>"There can be no doubt, on the basis of what we head and saw, that a
>PLANNED STRATEGY OF TERRORISM is being carried out by the contras
>along the Honduras border"

>        --Chairmen of Americas Watch

Americas Watch says the same thing about the Sandinistas.

But it has become clear that Harel isn't bothered by any of the abuses
he posts about. To him, they are simply tools to forward his agenda.
Rights abuses by people he likes are, if not OK, at least not to be
disagreed with. Yet similar abuses by people he doesn't like are met
with a flood of crocadile tears.

  Allen
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: CUBA: TV and U.S. "Embargo" vs "Blockade"
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:02:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism

As quoted from <1992Aug25.164141.12264@cass.ma02.bull.com> by estrella@cass.ma02.bull.com (Gustavo Estrella):

> ------------------- Quoting ---------------------------------------------
> 
> > SJR:  The U.S. media calls the policy an "embargo."  Why do you and
> > the Cuban government call it a "blockade"?
> >
> > Reed:  The Cubans say its a blockade in violation of international
> > law because it goes beyond limits on trade between the U.S. and
> > Cuba.  Last year the Treasury Department got $40 million more than
> > they asked for to enforce it.  It must be the single case where
> > somebody got more money than they asked for out of Congress.  So
> > Treasury is rolling with money to go sniping at people all over the
> > world.
> 
> The Cuban Stalinists call it a blockade because they like all other Stalinists
> are liars, and must redefine reality to fit ideology.
> 
> If it is indeed a "blockade", please post the names and hull numbers of the
> ships taking part....
> 
> 
> ------------------ End of Quoting -------------------------------------
> 
> If my memory serves me correctly, when I was taking political foundations
> class in Havana (around 1979), the teacher explained that the embargo
> was the "US capitalist pigs' response to Cuba nationalizing all major US
> company assets, such as ATT, Shell, etc.".  I never hear this mention at
> all in the discussions of the embargo.

Now, now, you wouldn't want to upset Harel with facts would you...?

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gus Estrella                               | "La historia me absolvera"
> Groupe Bull Worldwide Information Systems  |   Fidel Castro - 1953
> Sure, Sure, They are my opinions .....     |   Adolf Hitler - 1932
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yo prefiero:

"La historia me faltara...."
F. Castro.  :)
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:18:03 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <5zjnz_n.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:

>Thus spake demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man): 

>>In article <tzhn3jg.adamsr@netcom.com>, adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
>>> 
>>> JIM> If I'm holding a gun on somebody and they come at me I'll 
>>
>>	Notice the qualification.  "If they come at me"
>>	Clear yet?
>>
>	Sure. If anyone gets in your way, shoot the sucker!
>	Never mind that the person might be unarmed - if she is silly enough
>to "come at you" while you have that trusty steel phallus in your hand
>"proving" how macho you are, she deserves to die, right?

If I am holding a gun on an apparently unarmed person and that person 
continues to advance on me, even after being threatened with my weapon,
I will probably make one of three assumptions.

1)  The person is crazy and who knows what (s)he might try next.

2)  My original assesment of their not being armed might be in error.

3)  (S)he may be a student of one of the many forms of non-armed combat.

NOTE:  You only have a few seconds to make up your mind.  BTW, if you
guess wrong you are dead.

-- 
--Mark

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Blue Rage)
Subject: Re: Lyndon LaRouche & the Liberty L
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:36:18 GMT

In article <92245.094050ASEIDEL@MIAMIU.BITNET> <ASEIDEL@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>candidate defend against one charge after the other.  I want to say some-
>thing in defense of LL's candidacy, against various charges I've read here,
>but it should be emphasized that LL has a program of economic development,
>that it's highly detailed, and (this is important with reference to some of
>the charges) it includes the underdeveloped countries in its scope.
>     It should be noted that LL's vice presidential running mate is the Rev.
>James Bevel, a noted civil rights participant from the days of the struggles
>in Birmingham, Alabama. Other noted civil rights people are in the organization
>The organization (NCLC) has a long history of running black candidates for
>local, state, and national office. This matter of public record ought be held
>against the charges of "KKK-affiliation".

	Larouche  is a known opportunist.  He would affiliate with
anyone.  Dennis King's book on him pretty clearly indicates that
LaRouche intelligence gathering operations peddled to whoever they could
gain from.

>     There are numerous Jewish people in the organization, some at extremely
>high levels. I know of at least one rabbi affiliated with the organization.
>These facts should be held against the charge of "Neo-Nazi".

	Fascists don't have to be anti-semitic.
	
>     Last, LL vociferously denounced both the invasions of Panama, and the war
>against Iraq. Portraits of him as a "rabid right-winger" ought be measured
>against this, and similar stands he has taken (I know Buchanan also opposed
>the Iraq escapade, but other than that his stances have been obviouly pro
>military involvement).

	So Buchanan is now all there is to the far right?  Plenty of
conservatives oppose military intervention for a variety of reasons.
LaRouche's fascism can be isolationist and still be fascist, ie rabid
or far right.

>     It is not my place to speculate as to why well-intentioned people make
>such charges, but it should be placed up front that LL has had a longtime
>opposition to the drug-culture, whereas in the past aspects of the "new left"
>have at times been sympathetic to this culture (I know this firsthand,
>having lived in Ann Arbor in the 60s). Early oppositions are sometimes hard
>to overcome.

	How about the fact that LaRouche enjoyed having his cronies
attack decrepit old members of the Communist Party with bats?  To hell
with the drug culture insinuations, LaRouche has been a negative and
divisive presence in whatever part of American politics he's reared his
head in.  He is a selfserving fascist who twists in the political wind
and stinks the place up.

	
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Michael Hall    mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
"If you're not revolting against work, you're working
against revolt." - Bob Black
From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Somalia news and question
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:37:00 GMT
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalia news and question

/* Written  7:33 pm  Sep  3, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "Somalia news and question" ---------- */
There is some consensus that food is now being shipped to Somalia in
sufficient quantities, and that that part of the problem is solved.

I hope this is so, but I just can't get it nailed down yet.  Have talked
to UN Humanitarian Affairs and the Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance,
and neither one can tell me how much food is going out now and will
go in October and November.  OFDA did promise to try to send info tomorrow.

Carole Collins emailed me information that tomorrow CSpan will carry
a program on the Somalia relief effort and what the UN, US et al. are
doing.  This will be at 9:30 am. 

If anybody can watch or tape this and find out how much food is going now
and what the supply schedule is, that would be helpful.  (I can't watch or
tape it.)

The International Committee for the Red Cross now says that 60,000 tons per
month are needed.  I'm sure this is *minimum*.

Meantime, ABC showed a brief piece on children of Somalia this evening.
A CARE feeding center was shown.  Children with pencilthin limbs, of course.
The center was only able to give them 500 calories a day.

We really need to try to get definite answers about how much food is going
and when for a simple reason--nobody else seems to care about getting
hard facts about this.  Once we know that enough food is going in, people
who still feel moved to work on this can shift their attention to fundraising
for the ICRC and Doctors Without Borders and so on. (That's going to be
very important and possibly rather difficult.)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: CUBA: World Assoc of Community Radios: End U.S. Blockade
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:44:45 GMT


Boy this political correct stuff is hard to follow. A few weeks ago
Harel was telling us it was an emargo. Now it's back to being a
blockade.

  Allen

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:03:02 GMT

In article <24338@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:

>    Stupidity.

It is amazing how often people say things like this and then proceed to make
fools of themselves.

>    For the content-disabled:  Using the *Bush campaign* method of acounting,
>taxes were raised with Bush's aproval 327 times.  Fact. 

Not according to the Congressional Research Service. They say that using
the *Bush campaign* method of acounting Bush raised taxes 78 times. (source:
Ann Arbor News in a LA Times story).

>Clinton used
>this fact, IN THE PROPER CONTEXT, 

No, Clinton inflated the number by a factor of about 4.

>    Bush IS a liar. He can't be trusted.

Then Clinton is also a liar for the exact same reason.

  Allen

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:39:58 GMT

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

>  And August's numbers are thrown off by Wang and DEC layoffs, etc.  Isn't
>  that the whole point; that American companies can't provide enough
>  employment?

As the Japanese said, American workers have become lazy. American companies
are in many cases no longer have a competitive advantage over their
foreign competitors. Wang and DEC are no different.


>  Just out of curiosity, how does that work?  If GM is still paying them 
>  how are they eligible for ANY unemployment checks?

Well, here in RI (I can't speak for MI) you have to wait for a week before
you are eligible to collect unemployment. Those laid off workers who are
out for several weeks would be able to collect here after a week.

What is deceiving about the GM layoffs is all of the "laid off" workers
will get their jobs back when the factory is re-opened. The plant wasn't
"closed", it was merely "shut down" for retooling and other maintanence.

Many employees
decide to take their "vacation pay" at the same time they are laid off.
Neat huh? Basically, its a method by which GM and their union workers can
screw the state out of some money.


MD
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: LaRouchians as Fascists!
From: <PMSCHULL@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 08:01:51 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I was a Democratic County Executive Committee when the LaRouchians
 
won in Illinois.  The poll taken which predicted a LaRouche slate
 
victory was commissioned and paid for by the Democratic Party.
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 29 Aug 92 09:18 PDT
Subject: Re: On arrogance and revolution
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Aug 29 09:18:00 1992



Arrogance and Revolution was treated quite well by a middle class lawyer
who called himself V. I. Lenin. His book "Left Wing Communism, An Infantile
Disorder" should be mandatory reading for MIM cadre.

Why you folks would post an essay on arrogance that is loaded with arrogance
and patronizing stylistic flourishes is hard to imagine.

The most effective revolutionaries I have ever met or worked with in
coalitions were people who could raise complex political issues in an
accessible and friendly manner using simple straightforward language.
They were also good listeners.

Having worked with labor unions and community organizations for several
decades, I have watched groups like MIM approach organizing from an
implicitly arrogant stance, and watched them fail repeatedly. After failing
to "lead the masses" they would stomp off in disgust, leaving the rest of
us to giggle. "Who were those jerks?" would be the most frequent question.
The issue is not whether or not you folks are doing serious political study,
or if your heart is pure, or even if you are correct in you analysis. The
issue is that you SOUND like spoiled brats.

This doesn't go over very well at the factory gate, much less on the
assembly line.

At the same time I have seen a working class community work with radicals
and revolutionaries who brought their ideas into a struggle on the basis
of mutual respect. They made suggestions as part of an obvious committment
to the people affected. It is this humility that you so glaringly lack.

-Chip Berlet

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Where's Kenco, Lincoln Neb.?
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:20:57 GMT

In article <pwd-260892145847@kip2-28.apple.com>
pwd@Apple.com (Patrick W. P. Dirks) writes:
 
>including Best locks, and was hoping Kenco would be the place.
 
Gee, there's this company I drive by every day that probably has
a big selection of Best locks...I think it's called "Best Lock" :)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing