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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Controversy over V-2 anniversary
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 03:42:38 GMT

In <SHAFER.92Oct3174732@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov>
   shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

>On 29 Sep 92 15:57:34 GMT,
> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) said:

>Bill> Apparently the fact that the A-4 was a nasty weapon that killed lots
>Bill> of people overshadows the importance of the anniversary.  

>Bill> In this country, the Confederate Air Force is allowed to tell us what
>Bill> a great plane the B-17 was without visible interference...

>The B-17 wasn't built by starving slave labor.  The factories weren't
>filled with representatives of the "mongrel" subhuman races that could
>be worked without food or heat or hygiene until they dropped dead or
>were hung "pour encourager les autres".

Was the A-4? (I'm referring to the experimental prototypes.)

The aniversary was to commemorate the technical achievement
of the A-4, not its military ab-use, or the system which
produced it.

In March 1945, the allies dropped 18,000 tons of bombs on
Germany. That does not diminish my opinion of the technical
merits of the hardware used.

The moral question is an entirely different one.
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From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Hypersonic test vehicle proposed
Organization: UDSI
Distribution: sci
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:44:39 GMT


I saw something on the X-15 on the discovery channel last night.
they were talking about the last flight of the A-2 which got burned
up and retired.  they said that budget constraints forced it's retirement
not damage.  it was damaged, but not totalled.  also they siad that
the damage was avoidable and that they could fix and work their way
up to mach 8, maybe higher...  so to test scramjet technology.

maybe we should look at dusting off some of those.  certainly cheaper
then a whole new program,.  maybe it's old, but it's paid for
and with budgets so tight, we cant be picky.

does anyone know what the Vmax for the X-15 was?  what were the structural
limits on the birds and engines?

pat
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From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Re: Galileo Update - 09/24/92
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords: Galileo, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:20:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.151009.23426@kbsw1>, chris@kbsw1 (Chris Kostanick 806 1044) writes...
>Ron, could you give a brief explanation of the power bus imbalance
>model? 

Debris from the Spin Bearing Assembly seems to be causing small currents
to temporarily open up between a 30 volt power supply and the ground chasis.
The voltage imbalances have been occuring since December 1990, and have been
more of a nuisance than a real threat to the Galileo mission. 
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Quiet people aren't the
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | only ones who don't say
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | much.
From: PHARABOD@FRCPN11.IN2P3.FR
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Hypersonic test vehicle proposed
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:21:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvAA50.HJL.1
Distribution: sci
Organization: [via International Space University]
X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest
Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

It seems that there are a lot of hypersonic, sub-orbital and orbital
projects in the U.S.A:

         Aurora
         TSTO/XB-70 like aircraft (AW&ST, August 24, 1992)
         X-30                     (AW&ST, September 14, 1992)
         HALO                     (AW&ST, September 14, 1992)
         HL-20
         SSTO/DCX/DCY
         others ?

Could somebody on this list explain the differences between these
projects ? Only the SSTO has been well explained, thanks to Allen W.
Sherzer. AW&ST gives also some clear info in its September 14 issue.
(I know, that's more or less secret, and I am French. But, owing to
the U.S. debt, I'm not sure that I don't pay for that... Also, why
is there secrecy, since there is no more serious enemy ? Is it just
secrecy against financial inquiries ?)

J. Pharabod
From: wr0k+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Dow Rieder)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Von Braun -- Hero, Villain, or Both?
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:28:02 GMT
	<BvMrxC.zs@zoo.toronto.edu
Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Henry Spencer writes:

>I'm not sure I agree with Mary on this one.  I'd tentatively assume that
>most of the net participants are pretty young, given the net's roots in
>educational institutions... and on the occasions when I've forcefully
>expressed my opinions about those responsible for the Challenger disaster
>in particular, the responses have been at least 95% hostile, citing all
>manner of reasons why "I vas chust following orders" should be considered
>acceptable, or at least excusable, behavior.

	The responses are not necessarily representative of all the people who
read a particular message.  People seem to be far more likely to respond to
something if they disagree with it, particularly if they are extremists
or their
sensibilities are offended.  Most of the time (in my experience and that
of people
I know), someone who agrees with an expressed opinion is likely to think
"Good point" and go on to the next post.  Responding takes time and effort, and
if you agree, why respond unless you have questions or points to add?

					W. Dow Rieder

 	When the only tool you have is a hammer, all your problems
start to look like nails...
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From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,talk.politics.space,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Clinton and Space Funding
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 08:08:25 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - (Clan Zen Relay Network) Mountain View, CA

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:

> Dennis, we are planning to return to the Moon, though that depends a
> lot on the outcome of the current political race. However, we're not
> yet ready for a new Hudson's Bay Company. We still need a few more of
> those dreaded *scientific* missions to tell us the lay of the land.
> My understanding of the Lunar Prospector was that it was to be such
> a scientific spy mission. 
> 
> The Hudson's Bay Company is not a bad model for Lunar development.
> It had a government franchise and private funding. The question is,
> what will be the lunar equivalent of beaver pelts? We need to know
> that before we can mount a significant commercial venture.

The advantage the "company of gentlemen explorers" had is that the
territory had been explored a bit and they knew there was something there
of value. We are NOT at the point where they were when they started. We'll
need a lot more lunar exploration before we're there, both manned and
robotic. ANY start in that direction is a good start.

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From: mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick)
Subject: Re: Alan Bean
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:46:00 GMT

In article <Bv63Gx.CKp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sienko@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Tanya Sienko) writes:
>[regarding astronaut Alan Bean's space artwork]
>
>I have a flyer for a half hour video documentary about Bean and his art.
>It's available from Rudy Inc., 40 Glengarry Ave., Toronto M5M 1C9, Canada.
>(416) 489-7760.  $19.95 plus shipping and tax.
>
>I have not seen this video, and don't really know anything else about it
>at this time (but I'll probably buy it).
>

One of the local PBS stations broadcast that video (I assume that it
is the same one  you're talking about). And it is quite good. Some things
I didn't know about Al's work was that he'll scrape the gesso of some
of his paintings with the hammer he actually used on the moon. Other times
he'll take a lunar boot tread and "walk" it through the gesso creating
a tread texture.

They interviewed Gene Cernan who said that how much he liked Bean's
paintings and wished he could afford one.

mike



-- 
"There is no problem too big that can't be solved with high explosives"-Rush

Mike Smithwick - ames!zorch!mike
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: NEAR asteroid mission (but wait! There's more!)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:09:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: VOILA.NICKH.92Sep28150925
	<1992Sep27.004212.23425@techbook.com>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Sep27.004212.23425@techbook.com> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:

   In article <1992Sep24.081212.1@fnala.fnal.gov> higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
   >The fixed 1.5 m X-band dish allows (at 1 AU from Earth) 20.8 kbits/sec
   >using DSN's 34-meter ground stations, 83.8 kb/sec with the 70-m
   >dishes.  Solid-state data recorder would  hold 5E5 bits. (Now that I
   >look at my notes, that seems a bit small! Maybe I transcribed it
   >incorrectly.  Think that 5 coulda been an 8?)

   Indeed, they'd be pulling a Magellan. :-)  Unlike Magellan, they might
   not have the clout to get tons of DSN time, and would lose the data
   instead.  'Tis not a good thing to skimp on storage, especially in
   an era of many small missions, all competing for DSN time.

5E5 bits is only 64k, I can't believe that. 5e8 is more plausible, but
at 64 megs might be more than they'd put in (me, I'd go for a gigabyte
:->).  Maybe 5e5 bytes (512k??)

Nick
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From: i0c0256@zeus.tamu.edu (IGOR)
Subject: Re: NASA Daily News for 09/30/92 (Forwarded)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:33:00 GMT

In article <BvJB5o.8Gz@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes...
>In article <1992Oct3.041048.13395@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>>>>... the second shuttle mission for a CSA astronaut -
>>
>>I seem to have missed something: The only "CSA" I'm familiar with
>>is the Confederate States of America...
> 
>Think hard, Frank. :-)  What does "SA" stand for in acronyms like NASA
>and ESA?  Okay, that's two letters out of three.  Now, think real hard
>about what countries starting with C fly astronauts on shuttle missions.
>(No, Virginia, there will be no prize awarded for silliest suggestion.)
>Looking up what country Steve MacLean is from is cheating. :-)

Okay okay okay, i am thinking real hard now about patrick baudry being a csa
astronaut.....is he actually from CRANCE......damm i should have known the guy
changed nationality to get in the shuttle, he'd do everything to get into
 orbit...




Igor
Texas A&M University
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From: se_taylo@rcvie.co.at (Ian Taylor)
Subject: Re: Laser Space Mirror
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:16:38 GMT

In article <a9774633@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg) writes:
>Perhaps in the short term building a Space electricity transmitter would be
>better than a SPS.
>
>Put a flat optical mirror in Clarke orbit. Build a laser transmitters near a
>ground based power station.

New Scientist this week (No 1841, 3 October 1992) reports that next month a
crewless Progress spacecraft will open a space mirror after resupplying Mir
at an altitude of 350 km. 

The solar reflector is 20 metres across and will be unfurled by centrifugal
force. The mirror weighs 4 kg and is made from aluminium coated plastic film
5 micrometres thick, it is attached to a 36 Kg frame and costs $60,000.

The plan is to test the effectiveness of using space based mirrors to provide
illumination for ground based artic locations!

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Newsgroups: sci.space
From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
Subject: Re: Disney's Man in Space
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:46:46 GMT

In article <27949@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)  
writes:
> 
> _Man in Space_ [Shown on the Disney cable channel last Sunday, September
> 27, 1992 at 2:00 pm MDT] begins with the history of rocketry and explores 
> how humans might react in space. It ends with brilliant animation of a 
> manned orbital mission using a derivitive of Von Brauns multi-staged 
> rocket. The film aired on 9 March 1955 [a Wednesday evening--my Boy Scout
> troop meeting night--I caught hell from my father for not attending.]
> and viewed by nearly 100 million. Among the viewers was President
> Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was so impressed that he called
> Disney and asked to borrow a copy which he showed to officals at
> the Pentagon over the next couple of weeks. On 29 July 1955,
> Ike announced that as part of the upcoming International Geophysical
> Year (IGY, 1957-58), the US would launch an earth satellite.
> 
Bummer.  I don't get Disney channel.  I've been looking for this program
for a while now, but no video rental/sales places seem to have it.

I remember this show fondly also.  It is a major reason for
my nostalgia toward Saturn and discontent with the Shuttle.
Saturn is a proper (Disney) rocket, whereas the Shuttle is not :-)

--
Thomas Clarke
Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Magellan Update - 09/28/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Magellan, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:03:58 GMT

Forwarded from the Magellan Project

                     MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT
                       September 28, 1992

1.  Magellan continues to operate normally, performing a
    starcal (star calibration) and desat (desaturation of
    the reaction wheels) on every orbit, and transmitting a
    carrier signal which is precisely tracked by the DSN
    (Deep Space Network) stations to provide gravity data to
    scientists.

2.  Since Friday, when the spacecraft began execution of G2269
    command sequence, only one star has been missed during the
    starcals.  The new sequence included a new star pair for
    the calibration maneuvers.

3.  On Saturday the DSN station had difficulty locking up to
    the 1200 bps X-band downlink signal.  It was determined
    that the low AGC (Automatic Gain Control) was a result of
    the transmitter temperature being down to 53.3 degrees C.
    Controllers raised the radar system heater set points to
    25-27 degrees and the tracking has been normal since.
    The transmitter presently varies between 54 and 55 degrees C.

4.  Magellan has completed 5744 orbits of Venus, 107 in Cycle 4.
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Quiet people aren't the
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | only ones who don't say
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | much.

Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: yee@trident.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee)
Subject: Shuttle Status for 10/06/92 (Forwarded)
Apparently-To: sci-space-news@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Followup-To: sci.space
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:42:55 GMT

                            SPACE SHUTTLE STATUS REPORT: STS-52
                            Tuesday, October 6, 1992

          George Diller
          Kennedy Space Center
          407/867-2468


          Vehicle: Space Shuttle Columbia/OV-102
          Location: Launch Pad 39-B
          Primary Payloads: IRIS/LAGEOS-1
                            USMP-1

          IN WORK:

          -  STS-52 Flight Readiness Review in the Mission Briefing Room
          -  APU #1 quick disconnect changeout
          -  power-on testing
          -  heat shield installation around SSME #3
          -  preparations for hypergolic propellant loading
          -  preparations for helium signature leak checks of the main
             engines and main propulsion system
          -  CVTE payload power supply checkout

          COMPLETED:
          - SSME #3 changeout
          - Initial SSME #3 leak checks
          - USMP payload Interface Verification Test (IVT) with Columbia

          SCHEDULED:
          - Helium Signature Leak Check on Wednesday
          - USMP cryogenic servicing on Wednesday
          - Potable water sample on Wednesday
          - Hypergolic storable propellant loading on Thursday and Friday
          - IRIS/LAGEOS payload Interface Verification Test (IVT) with
            Columbia on Saturday

               A summary of other orbiter vehicles, associated payloads and
          the VAB activities will be released weekly on Friday covering the
          schedule for the upcoming week and the previous week.  Issues and
          concerns having potential schedule impact will be addressed if
          and when they occur.
Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: yee@trident.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee)
Subject: Shuttle mission STS-53 preflight briefings set for Oct. 6 [NTE 92-86] (Forwarded)
Apparently-To: sci-space-news@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Followup-To: sci.space
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:06:24 GMT

Jim Cast
Headquarters, Washington, D.C.             September 30, 1992
(Phone:  202/453-1142)

Barbara Schwartz
Johnson Space Center, Houston
(Phone:  713/483-5111)


NOTE TO EDITORS:  N92-86

SHUTTLE MISSION STS-53 PREFLIGHT BRIEFINGS SET FOR OCT. 6


     Space Shuttle mission STS-53 preflight briefings will be 
held Oct. 6 at the Johnson Space Center, Houston, Building 2, 
room 135, from 10 a.m. until 3 p.m. eastern time.

     The primary payload for this dedicated Department of 
Defense (DoD) mission is classified and will not be discussed 
in pre- and post-mission briefings and materials nor will it 
be discussed during the course of the mission itself.

     STS-53 Lead Flight Director Rob Kelso will provide a 
mission overview (with the exception of primary payload 
operations), followed by DoD and NASA briefings on secondary 
experiments in the cargo bay and on the mid-deck.

     After a lunch break, the astronaut crew will brief their 
mission assignments (excluding primary payload activities and 
responsibilities).

     The astronauts will be available for round-robin 
interviews following the press conference.  News media 
representatives wishing to participate in the crew interviews 
should notify the JSC newsroom by noon Oct. 5.

     Only the briefings will be carried live on NASA Select 
television with two-way audio for questions from NASA 
Headquarters and other centers.  NASA Select programming is 
carried on Satcom F2R, transponder 13, located at 72 degrees 
west longitude.
Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Galileo Update - 10/05/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Galileo, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:59:43 GMT

Forwarded from Bill O'Neil, Galileo Project Manager

                            GALILEO STATUS REPORT
                              October 5, 1992

     The Galileo Spacecraft is operating normally in the dual-spin mode and
is transmitting coded telemetry at 40 bps (bits/second).

     Over the weekend, no spacecraft activity was scheduled.  Tracking was
performed over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter antenna), DSS-14 (Goldstone 70 meter
antenna) and DSS-43 (Canberra 70 meter antenna).

     Today, October 5, 1992, a sun vector update along with an Ultra
Stable Oscillator test is scheduled.  Tracking is scheduled over DSS-14
and DSS-63.

     Tomorrow,  a periodic thruster flushing maintainence activity and SITURN
is scheduled.  Real-time commands are also scheduled to configure the telemtry
rate to 1200 bps which has not have been sustainable since June 1991.
Tracking is scheduled over DSS-63 and DSS-42 (Canberra 34 meter antenna).
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.

Newsgroups: sci.space.news
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Galileo Update - 10/06/92
Followup-To: sci.space
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  Galileo, JPL
Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:37:55 GMT

Forwarded from Bill O'Neil, Galileo Project Manager

                            GALILEO STATUS REPORT
                              October 6, 1992

     The Galileo Spacecraft is operating normally in the dual-spin mode and
is transmitting coded telemetry at 40 bps (bits/second).

     Yesterday, a sun vector update along with an Ultra Stable Oscillator test
was performed, as planned.  Tracking was scheduled over DSS-14 (Goldstone
70 meter antenna) and DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter antenna).

     Today, October 6, 1992, a periodic thruster flushing maintainence activity and SITURN
and a SITURN is scheduled, along with cruise science Memory Readouts.
Real-time commands are also scheduled to configure the spacecraft telemetry
rate to 1200 bps which has not have been sustainable since June 1991.
Tracking is scheduled over DSS-63 and DSS-42 (Canberra 34 meter antenna).

     Tomorrow, spacecraft telemetry is scheduled to be changed to 40 bps
uncoded telemetry.  Tracking is scheduled over DSS-63.
     ___    _____     ___
    /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
    | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |
 ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Einstein's brain is stored
/___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | in a mason jar in a lab
|_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | in Wichita, Kansas.

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