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From: meniconi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (carlo nicola meniconi)
Subject: Re: Result wanted-
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:18:31 GMT

ballan@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Christina Ballantyne) writes:

>Can someone post me the result of the Scotland v Italy game on Wednesday 
>night?  Thanks
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HI there!!! The "beautiful" match result is 0-0. A very poor match caused, I
think by the strange way to dispose the team that Sacchi used last evening.
I think it's impossible to win playing without forward for about all the 2nd  
time.      
					     BYE   NICK
From: cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: offsides question on goal kick
Date: 22 Nov 92 07:16:10 GMT
Organization: Cross Access Corp., Santa Clara, CA
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the fact that there is "no offside" on a goal kick 
is the (primary?) reason why a center referee MUST
be clear with his signals to that the trailing
linesperson can know whether the upcoming kick from
inside the penalty area is a goal kick or a free kick!
If it is a free kick, then the (now) attackers must
watch their position and the linesperson be alert for
an offside violation.  If it is a goal kick, then
the linesperson must not call offside on a long 
clearing kick.
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From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Qualifiers REsults
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:27:44 GMT

Please post the results of the various World Cup Qualifying matches
played on Wednesday.  Thank you so much.
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From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer Proposal (part 3 of 3)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:40:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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In article <1992Nov23.094012.24156@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
|WHAT WOULD IT COST?...........
|------------------

|-PLAYER SALARIES.........
|....... The best American players, like John Harkes, Eric
|Wynalda and Roy Wegerle, will get around $200,000 or the kind of
|money paid by their current European employees......

A minor point here.......but I doubt very much if Harkes gets anywhere
near that much.  I'd guess at about 50,000 pounds. I'm trying to remember any 
accounts figures that get published  for clubs (which don't name people anyway,
but give the number of people for a given salary - you normally have to
guess the rest!). I'd say that you have to be a regular Premier League
player to get over 50,000, and only would approach 100,000 if you were
though to be special, or were at a rich club who coulnd't care what they
paid who (so Wegerle could be on any amount!). Anyone who really knows
is welcome to correct me!

gordon
From: malhot@huey.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (malhot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Cameroon in Italia '90
Date: 16 Nov 1992 07:06:57 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, CWRU, Cleve. OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: huey.eeap.cwru.edu

>Nope - can't even claim that I'm afraid :-) - USSR took Cameroon apart in
>their final group game beating them 4-0. Hard to judge how hard Cameroon were
>trying as they had already qualified but the Soviets looked real good on that
>day.
>
>Alan

	I believe the team was trying to give a present to its RUSSIAN
coach.   If you remember the game, it was fairly obvious  Cameroon was
not even trying.

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From: ahg@daimi.aau.dk (Alf Holten Gaba)
Subject: Re: 2nd Division Internationals
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:42:44 GMT

ewood@maths.tcd.ie (Gareth Hinds) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov18.082813.3477@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u1051652@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

>There are lots of players who have been capped while playing for clubs outside
>the top flight. Here are a few examples:

>Player		Club		Division	Country			Year

>John Sivebaek	Verona		2		Denmark			1992

This must be:
Henrik Larsen   Pisa            2               Denmark                 1992

John Sivebaek plays for an Italian 1st Division club (Pescara I think).

>				Gareth Hinds, Dublin (Ire).
>	

   Alf Gaba          ahg@daimi.aau.dk
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 2nd Division Internationals
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:23:51 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <1404@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> apc@getafix (Andy P Clarke) writes:
|In article <1992Nov18.082813.3477@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> you write:
|> Interesting Question:
|> 
|> How many countries have had players in the 2nd division capped at 
|> international level (While they were playing in the second division) ?
|> And which players were they (and what clubs were they playing for at
|> the time) ?
|> The only example I can think of would be Steve Bull for England.
|> (Could someone mail me his Wolves stats ? A friend of mine in England
|> said he was "bloody smashin'").
|> 
|> Thanks.
|
|There are loads of players from the lower divisions playing international
|football......

|
|Apart from Bully, the best I can do for England recently is Steve Pears 
|of Middlesborough who was in the squad last season when Boro were in the
|then 2nd division last season.

Surely a famous one here for England would be Trevor Brooking, who was an 
England regular even when West Ham were relegated from (old) Div 1 to Div 2 
(and then went straight back up again if I remember right).

gordon
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs Vs Gunners
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:41:42 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium


>One of my mates will be travelling to UK and will be arriving on the
>same day of the match. Could anyone in UK please advise if he would be able to 
>get tickets on that day for the Spurs Vs Gunners match?

The match is all-ticket, and er, sensitive, so no tickets will be on
sale by either club on the day. His best bet is to take lots of
'spare' cash, and talk to one of the men muttering 'tickets, tickets' out
of the corner of their mouthes.

If I were him I wouldnt expect to pay less than 20 stg for a standing
ticket.
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: More (Amateur) Pie In The Sky
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:14:11 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <1992Nov19.030708.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>
>To matters more serious : I hear that there was a UFO sighting over Cambuslang
>last night. To be more specific, it was "a pie in the sky".  Can anyone
>supply more facts ?  (Facts, not lies or models or artists impressions or
>300 page booklets, facts please !!)

There was a piece in the Daily Rebel about this yesterday. Apparently they
have come to some agreement such that "multi-national companies" will pay for
the development but Celtic will have to buy the radioactive land. In return
for purchasing the land the "multi-national companies" will be able to
develop it into a "leisure complex". However, the last paragraph of the
article was a quote by Celtic chairman Kevin Kelly who said "If we don't
recieve planning permission then we will re-furbish the present Celtic Park."

Draw your own conclusions from that statement but I heard that all chippies
in the east end of Glasgow were getting ready to install benches....

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     
 Edinburry                               FOUR IN A ROW
 Scotland
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: NCAA Mens Results
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:12:26 GMT

San Diego 3    Stanford 0
Seton Hall 2   Hartford 0
William and Mary 2   West Virginia 0
Coastal Carolina 2   South Carolina 0
Darthmouth 1       St Johns 0
Davidson 2         NC Charlotte 2
(Davidson thru on kicks)
Duke 3       James Madison 0
Indiana 4    Evansville 1
Penn State 2  Adelphi  1
St Louis 2    Bowling Green 1
SMU 4     Air Force 1
Washington 2    Portland 1

Andy B


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From: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca (Steve Halchuk)
Subject: WC Qualifier Canada vs. Bermuda
Reply-To: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:11:08 GMT

CANADA 4 BERMUDA 2

Unfortunately, I was unable to see this match, so I can't give much of a report.
The highlight for Canada was the combination of Dale Mitchell and Alex Bunbury.
Bunbury scored three in the first half to record the first hat-trick by a Canadian
in World Cup qualifying matches. Canada never manages to make it easy for themselves,
however, as Bermuda scored two in the second half before Canada assured the points
with the late fourth goal. This places Canada at the top of the group and puts
them in a good position to advance to the next round, needing only a tie in 
Bermuda to assure themselves of a spot while El Salvador and Jamaica battle for 
the remaining position in a home and home struggle.

Latest table and remaining games:

CONCACAF GROUP B
		P W D L  F  A Pts
Canada		5 2 2 1  9  7  6    
El Salvador	4 2 1 1  8  5  5     
Jamaica 	4 1 2 1  5  5  4
Bermuda 	5 1 1 3  7 12  3

22 Nov   Jamaica     - El Salvador  
06 Dec   Bermuda     - Canada  
06 Dec   El Salvador - Jamaica 

P.S. Does anyone know if TSN (Canada's Sports Network - Who, I noticed, decided to
show the end of the "Hooters 500" stock car race rather than the beginning of the
match) will be able to obtain that elusive satellite feed for the game in Bermuda?

Thanks
Stephen

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From: ramprasa@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna)
Subject:  "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Reply-To: ramprasa@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:39:53 GMT

I read the lead article with a great deal of interest and I have my 2 bits to contribute.
One problem with every american sport is that they are quantized into many brief periods of action
Baseball: innings
Basketball: The scoring of a Basket automatically acts as a comma in a sentence.
Football: every down is like seperated from the other.
What I am trying to say is that to watch soccer requires an ability to watch the game with greaater atttention than the other sports. 
Ice Hockey may provide a clue. The play stops far more seldom than in other games. Of course the miniscule puck as well as the violence may turn people off, but the continuity of the game is also a turn-off to viewers with limited attention spans.
In an unscientific straw poll among my friend I can say that most Hockey fans aare able to appreciate soccer and vice versa. 
The techniques of the game are not as easy to pick up too. I am able to enjoy basketball more because I now know what a pick and role is, what setting screens are. I appreciated baseballl better when I got to understand the value of baserunning , the tag-out rules , reason for walking batters etc. 
If an effort is made to show what the it takes to play good team soccer as opposed to concentrating on Maradona's / Pele's ( 2 of the greatest of the greats)
then it is possible to see what makes soccer so good. It also serves to enhance the greatness of the two players mentioned and others of similar nature. 
   
The treatment of soccer as a women's game is most pathetic. methinks that a  game between Scotland and Charlton's boys may well dispel that notion
From: kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Triangle NCAA Games
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:24:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1eremiINNdh0
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oes.orst.edu

While the rest of the country is starved for good soccer we had
a virtual feast in the Triangle this weekend. In a testament
to good planning, we had four area teams playing in the NCAA
championships all at the same time on Sunday.

	Duke women v UNC for the championship
	Duke men v St. Louis (2nd round)
	NC State men v William & Mary (2nd round)

I opted to attend what I thought would be the best game, and
went to the NC State v W&M game. State won 3-2 in a game that
wasn't as close as the score would indicate. State narrowly
missed overtime, however, when the keeper was called for
charging and W&M missed the penalty kick. (The paper says
that Moore made a great fingertip deflection, but it looked to me
like the shot was missed.)

In other games:

	Duke defeated St. Louis 4-3. St. Louis led early 2-0
	but Duke came back for the win. Duke outshot St
	Louis 18-9. (att: 1100)

	UNC's women showed why people are calling them the
	greatest women's team ever. They embarrassed Duke
	9-1 in the final. Duke actually scored first, but
	that just opened the UNC flood gates. (att: 3576) 

I opted not to attend the women's game because I expected a blow-out.
The NC State game was poorly attended. I'm guessing there were
800-1000. This is probably due in part to the weather, and the
fact that there were two other games to choose from.

Kevin Gamble (kgamble@ces.ncsu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re:  N.Ireland (& George Best)
Organization: CSU
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:06:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.125637.26914@ousrvr.oulu.fi>
se02@claudius.nextlab.cs.qub.ac.uk (Ian Armstrong) writes:
 
> [ Stuff Deleted]
>		LONG LIVE N.IRELAND and GEORGIE BEST !!!!!
>
>	(Any comments most welcome)
>
>			Cheers.
>
>				Ian.
 
George Best, IMHO the absolute worlds best player.  In the early seventies
I would get my father to take me to Old Trafford just to see him, and Bobby
Charlton, play football.
 
In the mid/late seventies I remember travelling to London to see Fulham play,
the ONLY reason was that George Best was playing (Rodney Marsh aswell).
Many thousands did the same, for the few games he played with Fulham I think
I am correct in remembering that the attendance more than doubled.  Best was
one of the few players who could generate excitement in the crowd just by
being on the field.  The good memories still outweigh the more recent
negatives.
 
Anybody else with views on George Best ? or Pat Jennings ?
 
Richard Cole                     MANCHESTER UNITED
The Urban Center
Cleveland State University       1st BRITISH LEAGUE CHAMPIONS !?
Cleveland Ohio 44115 USA           (The League will surely come)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: from@nork.auc.dk (From Danmark!)
Subject: WC-qualifyer: N.Ireland-Denmark
Organization: NKEDBBF
Distribution: rec.
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:54:02


Here follows the result of WC-qualifying game between Northern Ireland
and Denmark.

Northern Ireland - Denmark	0-1

I believe, that this game marks the beginning of a new order in the euro-
pean group 3. My beloved Denmark finally scored a goal, and had several
oppotunities which should have been transformed into goals. 
After this win, Denmark holds the second place in group 3, with a complete
goal score of 1-0 after 4 games. Kinda makes one wonder whether FIFA should
start using the English point-system (win = 3p, tie = 1p, lost = 0p)?
No matter how much I love Denmark, it is wrong, that a team can hold their
position by playing 0-0 in (almost) every match. I would like to hear other
opinions on this subject.

Remember: "Whether AGF win or loose is a matter of life and death"
	  (- so I guess I'm dead after the Steaua Bukarest-game :-(  )

By the way. When I wrote this article, the game between Spain and Ireland
was not over. Therefore Denmark may not hold the 2nd place at this time.
But when all matches are over, Denmark will come out on top!!!!!! :-)

From

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Topical comments
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:23:25 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov17.131547.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <28261@castle.ed.ac.uk>, efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw) writes:
> Lets be realistic, both sides are endowed with quality players.  For fun lets
> pick a Celtic/MIM select;-).  The point of this is to prove what a futile
> arguement we can get ourselves into. Few will agree with this but....
> GORAM
> MCNALLY  <====
> BOYD     <====
> GOUGH
> MOWBRAY   <===


OK you've had your fun now Chris.   A  de-fense with *3* Celtic players ?
You better hope Andy Goram displays the kind of form he's been showing lately !
> 
> don't be too upset Scott et al ;-)
> Celtic players in MIM shirts, would you believe it?
> Not for a MO. ;-)
>   

OK, how much does the bidding start for McStay.........half a million ?

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From: PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Predictions
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:07:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      I am glad there are more Aberdeen fans out there.  With all the hoopla
about Rangers and Celtic, there is nothing that is said about another good team
in Scotland, Aberdeen.  I know they haven't been good in recent years, but they
have a good chance for second place this year.  Next year you never know what
can happen.
      Hope we can beat Rangers in Aberdeen.
      G O  A B E R D E E N!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                               Panos Karliotis
                                                          An Aberdeen fan (and
                                                         no longer the only one)
From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: World Cup Qualifier Results
Originator: harin@heidi.iti.gov.sg
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute National Computer Board
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:22:21 GMT


Results of World Cup Qualifiers played on Wed 18 Nov 92 :

Europe Group 1
==============
Results:
-=-=-=-=
Scotland      0-0   Italy
Switzerland   3-0   Malta

Standings:
-=-=-=-=-=	P W D L  F  A Pts
Switzerland	4 3 1 0 14  3  7
Italy		2 0 2 0  2  2  2
Scotland	3 0 2 1  1  3  2
Portugal 	1 0 1 0  0  0  1
Malta		2 0 1 1  0  3  1
Estonia		2 0 1 1  0  6  1

Next match:
-=-=-=-=-=-
19 Dec		Malta - Italy


Europe Group 2
==============
Results:
-=-=-=-=
England      4-0   Turkey

Standings:
-=-=-=-=-=	P W D L  F  A Pts
Norway		4 3 1 0 15  2  7
England 	2 1 1 0  5  1  3
Poland		2 1 1 0  3  2  3
Turkey		3 1 0 2  4  6  2
Holland		2 0 1 1  3  4  1
San Marino	3 0 0 3  1 16  0

Next match:
-=-=-=-=-=-
16 Dec		Turkey - Holland


Europe Group 3
==============
Results:
-=-=-=-=
N. Ireland   0-1   Denmark
Spain        0-0   Ireland

Standings:
-=-=-=-=-=	P W D L  F  A Pts
Ireland		4 2 2 0  6  0  6
Spain		4 1 3 0  3  0  5
Denmark 	4 1 3 0  1  0  5
Lithuania	5 1 3 1  5  5  5
N. Ireland	4 1 2 1  5  3  4
Latvia		6 0 4 2  3  8  4
Albania		5 1 1 3  2  9  3

Next match:
-=-=-=-=-=-
16 Dec		Spain - Latvia


Europe Group 4
==============
Results:
-=-=-=-=
Wales        0-2   Belgium

Standings:
-=-=-=-=-=	P W D L  F  A Pts
Belgium		5 5 0 0  9  1 10
Romania 	4 2 1 1 13  3  5
Wales		4 2 0 2  8  7  4
Czechoslovakia	3 1 1 1  6  3  3
Cyprus		3 1 0 2  2  2  2
Faroe Ilds	5 0 0 5  0 22  0

Next match:
-=-=-=-=-=-
29 Nov		Cyprus - Romania



World Cup Qualifiers for the rest of November :
===============================================

22 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		Mexico - Costa Rica
22 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		St Vincent - Honduras
22 Nov	Concacaf Grp B		Jamaica - El Salvador

28 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		Honduras - St Vincent

29 Nov	Concacaf Grp A		Costa Rica - Mexico
29 Nov	Europe Group 4		Cyprus - Romania

Cheers,
	Harin
	~~~~~

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Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 13:35:06 CET
From: Sean Clarke <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    Scotland Team v Italy


The team announced today is,

Goram         Rangers
McPherson     Rangers
Malpas        Dundee Utd
McStay        Celtic
McLaren       Hearts
Whyte         Middlesboro
Durie         Spurs
McAllister    Leeds
McCoist       Rangers
Durrant       Rangers
Boyd          Celtic

Subs

Smith         Hearts
Jess          Aberdeen
Collins       Celtic
McInally      Dundee Utd
Robertson     Hearts

Give 'em a good wopping !
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From: tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird)
Subject: Re: Good luck Kaiserslautern!
Originator: tim@mercury
Keywords: UEFA Cup
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:23:30 GMT

Some *** Dutchman writes:

>What kind of a Dutchman are you? Betraying a team from your own country.
>And what makes it worse is that you're cheering for a German team now.
>Gosh, you must have sunk very deep.

Hello...?? Is this 1992 or are we talking about 1942?? "Betraying",
"worse to cheer for a German team", "sunk very deep"... What about
cheering for AC Milan or Barcelona? What is the problem with being a
fan of a foreign team, or not being a fan of a team from your own
country?

>Besides that, they always seem to manage the
>loss of "big" players (who are usually created in Amsterdam) like Rijkaard,
>van Basten, Bergkamp in the near future, Kieft, Vanenburg, Witschge & Witschge,
>Koeman, etc., etc.. 

Yes, I must agree, they do MANAGE the loss of important players. I
have been wondering about this for many years (How do they manage the
loss of their great players..??)...

> And who does usually take over these players? If it isn't
> a Berlusconi type of guy with an overloaded wallet in Italy or Spain, then it
> will certainly be PSV (is that what you are, a PSV fan). I remember PSV playing
> with about 8 ex-Ajax players, i.e. Ajax2.

Ever asked yourself why Ajax is not a very wealthy club..? Yes, and
what was your answer...? Right, they screwed and misled the Dutch
government. Maybe now you will understand why Ajax is not by defintion
everybody's favorite.


Regards,

Tim