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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:47:15 GMT

>And to the alpha processor, it has a rewritable opcode to emulate an 68040
>or something like that.

That's a different CPU.  As far as I know the alpha does not even
emulate VMS.  They had planned to, but it seems that they changed their
minds.

VMS will run on it, but not VMS binaries.
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:06:43 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec11.185715.17127@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>While the prospect of better sound is attractive, I hope that the DSP will be 
>useful for other applications.  The NeXT machines have had a DSP for some 
>time as have some of the SGI boxes, but no personal computers have them as 
>standard equipment.  

Also, the NeXT and SGI systems both use the MC56001, which isn't all that great
for a large number of DSP problems, since it's only a 24-bit fixed point
processor.  Any DSP can give you cool sounds, but I think you'll get into
far more interesting territory with a floating-point DSP.  Also, the DSP should
have its own OS so you don't have to own it to use it as these other systems
require.

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who is very please with C='s latest announcements

Glad to hear it.


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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:54:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.061400.28016@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>I am not too postive.  The Final Copy II shots looked adeqate, I suppose, mostly
>because you didn't see too much of the Workbench.  Mostly, the scrollbars
>looked primitive, the scroll button was SO basic.  The sizing button on the
>top right, while I not understand them right off from jsut look at them (
>which I should have done, BTW) looked too big.  Gosh, Amigans bash Windows

Sizing button's actually bottom right. Top right should have two buttons..
The one of the left is the min/max type button, the one on the right is for
pushing a window back, or bringing it up.

>for BIG BLOCKY buttons?! Sheesh!

Hmm.. I'd like to know what screenshot you saw. Sounds like you saw a
640x200 (note the small vertical resolution) workbench. The buttons on my
windows are definitely smaller than the ones I see on my friends' computers
running Windows. (except maybe if they're running it at 1024x768) I haven't
really paid attention to the scrollbars.. maybe they are primitive.

>
>There doesn't seem to be any commonality among windows.  In Windows, there
>is always the command-button thingee in the top left, and the super-inuitive
>max/min buttons on the top right.  The scrollbars in Windows look more
>professional, IMO.
>
>That, and those awful 4 colors!  Sheesh!  You Amigans REALLY don't know what
>you're missing with 4 colors.  Going back to a 4 color mode
>once used t 16 or more colors should be impossible, IMO.  Really, those WB
>screens looked like so much CGA.  Ack.

16 color WB is awfully slow for me now. Except for colorful icons, I don't miss
much using 4 colors. Going from 4 colors to 16 colors is more of a horror for
me.. feels much slower.

>
>And the Workbench is suppose to be SO SOO GREAT!?  Ha!

Workbench 2.0 is much less flexible when it comes to customizing colors.. in
Windows, you get to choose color for various fonts, highlighting, border, etc.
Not so for WB 2.0. Because of this, alot of color choices I might've picked
I have had to eliminate. I believe that WB 3.0 allows for much greater
customization. Anyways, I would hope my Workbench doesn't look primitive to
everyone else (that includes other Amiga users ;). I run Workbench at
724x566 (max PAL overscan) with 4 colors..  you don't happen to have an IFF
viewer do you? I wouldn't mind a second opinion on the look of my Workbench.

>
>
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

Francis
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Help me not to change computers!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 02:26:54 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <71844@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>In the "different strokes" department. These games have to be the
>most cliched things...The whole idea of monsters
>in caves, with "parties" and "hit points" and "health points".is
>so overworked its hard to believe anyone plays them.

I dunno.  Then again, I'm an avid D&D player, and I've always played
games like ShadowRun, AD&D 2nd Ed., Vampire, RoleMaster, and various
others.  I've even gotten to live-roleplay.  It's a lot of fun for me.
And I think that the BT games have always given me that feeling of
being someone else, that feeling that so few games do give me.

BT I, II, II, DungeonMaster (to a degree, though I never liked their
magic system...).

Magic was one of the neatest things about II and III, I thought.  The
addition of the ArchMage added some really kick-butt stuff.  The
various schools of magic in III added, as well as really cool stuff,
some dangerously innovative ideas that no other game has since
recreated.  EOTB I and II are limited to players handbook spells, some
of the weakest spells in existence.  Between three of us--the DM
(Craig) for the spellbook of Misty Pantara (Veridian NPC, over 90
custom spells levels 1-9), Bilador Fimwit (Mine, over 120 custom
spells levels 1-9, and Ragell Aendyr (Glantrian mage, over 50 custom
spells levels 1-8), we've got more new and innovative spells than the
rather feeble attempts by TSR could hope for.  :)

So I've got a taste for these games.

>That's okay by me; there are different games because people like
>different things. Personally, I think Civilization is the greatest
>computer game ever written. But then, someone actually complains
>about graphics in a game like this; you could play it on a teletype
>and it would be good.

:D

>But of course, Bard's Tale construction set is coming out from Interplay
>for the Amiga in the next few months.

I'm afraid it's just not the same thing...

Greg



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From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ATTN: We're buying part of C=
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:43:34 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Sat 12 Dec 92  5:45, Gt2038a@prism.gatech.edu (gt2038a G
wrote:

 GG> If you have any questions or comments concerning "Commodore 
 GG> Day," please do not hesitate to contact us:

 GG> Amiga Atlanta, Inc.
 GG> Post Office Box 49103
 GG> Atlanta, GA  30359-1103
 GG> AAi BBS(404)962-8789
 GG> E-mail Address: Lamar_Morgan@Vortex.Amiga.Atl.Ga.US

Well, I just wish them luck.. too bad I am not in the USA to buy some
shares too! ;-)

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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Wish list for AGA software
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:36:01 GMT
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	<1992Dec16.211252.3933@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 16 Dec 92 21:12:52 GMT

>>>>> On 16 Dec 92 21:12:52 GMT, nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) said:

Neal> <citing as an example of subliminal advertising:>
Neal> A stream of Amiga Worlds form a phallus with a path to a castle
Neal> and the castle doors look remarkably like a vaginal opening.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Only if you haven't actually seen one in a *really* long time. ;^)
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From: tam@furry.lonestar.org (Todd A. Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ####The "how to get rid of Irving Gould" Top Ten List####
Distribution: world
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Date: 18 Dec 92 05:48:20 CST
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In article <1992Dec17.113110.24435@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) writes:
> 
> From the home office in Lower East Chester, Pennsylvania, it's the Top 
> Ten ways to get rid of the source of all our sorrows:  Irving Gould.
> Here we go...
> 
> <drum roll>
> 
> #10 Make him guest of honnor at NewTek LSD party where Niki can slip him
>     hundred hits of Orange Sunshine.
> 
> #9  Get him drunk, depressed, and into game of "Sudden-Death" Computer
>     Trivial Pursuit with Dave Haynie.
> 
> #8  Display him on 1084 monitor and flicker him to death.
> 
> #7  Get him into a "for keeps" dog fight with ex-Amigoid on PC flight
>     simulator.
> 
> #6  Let original Amiga Loraine team use him as a real dart board.
> 
> #5  Send him to Dallas Amiga Users Group costume party dressed as JFK.

I belong to an Amiga users' group in Dallas, and we never have costume parties.
If we did have one, nobody would have the bad taste to dress as JFK, and even
if someone did show up dressed as JFK, I seriously doubt he would get shot.
I think it's because most of the people in the users' group actually ENJOY
using their Amigas for something useful, rather than spending all their time
whining about how Commodore management sucks and needs to do dozens of things
right away.

> #4  Convince him of need to travel to Tibet, join monastery, and undertake 
>     20 year study of Blazemonger manual.
> 
> #3  Did I mention Kennedy style head shot?
> 
> #2  Send him on over night camping trip with Marc Barret.
> 
> And the number one method of getting rid of Irving Gould once and for all:
> 
>     Send him to Iraq, frame him as American spy, then send Commodore
>     marketing team to negotiate his release.
> 
I find this list to be in bad taste.  Yes, Irving Gould and Commodore management
have made some bad marketing decisions.  They're not the only company making
bad decisions, though.  Besides, the Amiga is still doing very well in Europe.
It's just that in the U.S., most people gravitate toward the PC, the Macintosh,
or various Unix platforms.  There used to be a time when there were dozens of
different computer running different operating systems that were incompatible
with each other.  The situation has changed -- people want compatibility.
You can't blame Irving Gould for all of that.
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:37:12 GMT
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Paul Prescod (papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
:
: Yeah, right.  I can GUARANTEE you that the PC will have a 64 bit bus
: before the Amiga, no question.
:
: Hear me now, believe me later.  There will be 64 bit bus PCs before
: the end of 1993.
:

You must be talking about Intel's PCI architecture, with its 64-bit
CPU-speed (or is it a fixed 50MHz?) bus.  I just read an article about that.
Apparently, PCI-based machines will be out in Q2 1993.  Pentium/PCI -- we've
come a long way from 4.77MHz 8088 PC's, but of course the Amiga buffs know
that it's all marketing hype, and PC's really haven't changed since 1981 :-)
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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:53:24 GMT

>
>Yeah, yeah... I know what RISC is, I know what CISC is.... but, according
>to other sources, the MC68040 is, at it's heart, a RISC chip mircocoded to
>understand 68000 series instructions.... I do not know how true this is, 
>but it sounds likely..... The Alphas are said to have this kind of 
>capability -- to be able to run other processor instruction sets through
>a type of micro coding.....   This doesn't mean that the RISC processor 
>itself understands CISC instructions, but that there is a "gateway", if
>you will that parses the code to something the RISC processor under
>stands.....

What you mean to say it is RISC inside, meaning that it is extremely
fast, and very simple, even though it supports all of these complex
commands on the outside.  Just like the 486.  90% of the work is
handled by 10% of the instructions, so optimize that part like a RISC chip and
the rest is mostly irrelavent.  But it isn't a feature unique to
Motorola processors.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:22:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 6904@usl.edu>
  <42598@sdcc12.ucsd.edu><BzFMs2.316@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
  <92353.040832MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>

>>standard!), and a few others.  IFF doesn't fall into this category,
>>being proprietary and Amiga-geared.
>
>Does anyone else find this vaguely annoying and, dare I say it,
>Big-Brotherish?

Mostly annoying, because its wrong on both counts. IFF isn't
proprietary, and is is most emphatically not geared to any platform.
IFF is a pretty neat standard, since it is so extensible.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel)
Subject: Re: ####The "how to get rid of Irving Gould" Top Ten List####
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:03:24 GMT

nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) writes:


>From the home office in Lower East Chester, Pennsylvania, it's the Top 
>Ten ways to get rid of the source of all our sorrows:  Irving Gould.
>Here we go...

><drum roll>

>#10 Make him guest of honnor at NewTek LSD party where Niki can slip him
>    hundred hits of Orange Sunshine.

>#9  Get him drunk, depressed, and into game of "Sudden-Death" Computer
>    Trivial Pursuit with Dave Haynie.

>#8  Display him on 1084 monitor and flicker him to death.

>#7  Get him into a "for keeps" dog fight with ex-Amigoid on PC flight
>    simulator.

>#6  Let original Amiga Loraine team use him as a real dart board.

>#5  Send him to Dallas Amiga Users Group costume party dressed as JFK.

>#4  Convince him of need to travel to Tibet, join monastery, and undertake 
>    20 year study of Blazemonger manual.

>#3  Did I mention Kennedy style head shot?

>#2  Send him on over night camping trip with Marc Barret.

>And the number one method of getting rid of Irving Gould once and for all:

>    Send him to Iraq, frame him as American spy, then send Commodore
>    marketing team to negotiate his release.

Are these top ten lists modelled after the top ten's on David Letterman? This
one sure sounds like it is. Nevertheless, its the best one I've seen so far on
here.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 13 Dec 1992 16:52:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>>Really, OS/2 2.0's WorkPlace Shell sure seems to blow the hell out of
'>>the WB2.0 in looking slick and professional.  Whew-ee!
'>>_Dan
'>
'>Wait, you're knocking Workbench 2.0 based *solely* on some
'>photographs of it!??  At least don't knock it 'till you've
'>tried it!

	Well, I have used both and I have to agree with Dan.  OS2's WPS looks
    much more professional then WB2.x.  

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Jeremy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Comic books =)
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:36:41 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>Yeah, and I could sell all my comics and get an Amiga600 to hook upto
>>>my TV, BUT I'M NOT. 
>>
>>Ha, I am considering doing just that--not for an A600, of course.  I'd get
>>an A1200.  I've got over 1500 comics rotting away at home...
>
>hm really?  What do you collect?  I haven't collected in a while, but
>have a lot of Marvel mutant-type comic from 4-5 years ago.       

It's been years for me, too.  I've got loads of Marvel, DC, and independent
comics (First Comics, Comico, Eclipse, etc.).  Man, this brings back
memories...

Anyone interested in a comic book sale?

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Standards
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:56:01 GMT

In article <BzIAKy.Jpq@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>Who invented IFF?  Unless it is an ansi or iso standard it falls under
>the heading "proprietary."  Of course there are levels of proprietary.
>GIF is proprietary, and BMP too, but because of their ubiquity they are
>less proprietary then IFF which isn't as popular.

Infinite regress. You've got to love recursive twaddle :),

Ubiquity does not make a system any better or more standardized. And
sanctioning from standards organizations often means 'turkey.' There's
a lot more to IFF than oggling raster images.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:00:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.061253.22438@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
|> 
|> I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. For most things, public screens
|> are generally preferable to private screens, especially when juggling
|> between multiple applications. Do you prefer the operation of something
|> like Pro Page as opposed to Pagestream?

ProPage!?!??

My ProPage is running right on the WorkBench, where it belongs. That way, it
only steals 200K of CHIP RAM (for some ungodly reason... the same reason the
icon editor needs about 50K...) instead of 600K!!!!

It's very well-behaved. It seizes the palette to its own 16-color map when I
activate the window, and gives it back when I activate any other. The only 
time this breaks down, something I'm a little miffed about, is when it's
waiting for an operation. And when you're doing something like printing, it
can be a long wait!

|> Since 2.0 was released, my impression of Workbench has changed entirely.

For the good or the bad?

I like it. You people all have to see a picture of a real, well-done WB screen.
Especially with replaced title bars and 16 colors.


P.S> For my part, I can't believe how **FAST** the AGA machines! I was doubtful
     at first, but the Commodore road trip zipped through Latham the other day,
     and I watched a Commodore demonstrator drag a window around on a 256-color
     screen about FIVE TIMES FASTER than my '030/28 EGA-equipped 16-color job!
     It was amazing...

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:35:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.115701.28657@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch) writes:
>>People often complain about how Amiga word
>>processors don't support Word or Word Perfect documents. Would it be
>>possible to make supporting them as simple as adding their datatypes to
>>your system?
>
>Eh? Wordworth2 supports Word and WordPerfect formats.

   Does it support Word4 or Word5, complete with graphics and fonts?  Just
asking.  I would REALLY like to have something to load Word4 files into
PageStream, graphics and all.

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