HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: warren@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Warren DeLano)
Subject: Re: Prometheus Ultima Home Office with Voice available?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:48:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.211106.28270@terminator.cc.umich.edu>, mnowak@itl.itd.umich.edu (Michael Nowak) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know when the Prometheus Ultima Home Office with Voice modem
> will be available?  MacWarehouse and MacConnection keep saying "soon".
> Does anyone have a real idea?
>  
> By the way, this modem appears to compete with the Supra modem, but it also
> includes voice now, and for a low price of around $499.
>  
I talked to MacWarehouse today.  They said that it would start shipping
the 21st of April.  The SupraFaxModem w/ software is "scheduled" to ship
on the 20th.  I hope at least one of these companies will actually be able
to deliver!

Warren
warren@laplace.biology.yale.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rickc@apache.sps.mot.com (Rick Cramer)
Subject: SMTP-Mac HELP
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:16:23 GMT
Originator: usenet@nddsun1

Hello,

I was wondering if there was a SMTP mail program (either public domain or
commercial) for the MAC. I know that TCP Connect will SEND mail, but will it
RECEIVE mail too?

Please reply by MAIL.

Rick Cramer
From: sef3179@tamsun.tamu.edu (Steven Eric Fuller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP and Slip ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:15:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <xVk+md#@engin.umich.edu> Mike.Alexander@umich.edu (Mike Alexander) writes:
>I'm using SLIP with MacTCP to post this message. The SLIP tool that I am
>using is part of the next release (4.6.2) of VersaTerm from Synergy. It
>seems to work quite well, although my 9600BPS modem at home is noticably
>slower than my ethernet at work. :-)

More info please! Is VersaTerm's SLIP tool compatabile with all 
applications that use MacTCP, or is like BYU Telnet with SLIP tossed in, 
and you can just get a SLIP connection for VersaTerm?

Potential customers want to know!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: gregf@shaman.sps.mot.com (Greg Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Transitional Router Req'd ??
Reply-To: gregf@shaman.sps.mot.com
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:52:02 GMT
Originator: usenet@nddsun1

In article <1992Mar27.213138.162@mis.mcw.edu> bmueller@mis.mcw.edu writes:
> Netters...
> 
> We are going to set begin using ethernet fairly soon. We have a number  
of
> devices on our network. Some will be using system 6.0.8 and some of the 
> Macs will be running stem 7.0.1. Our LaserWriter will use a DaynaPrint
> to convert from EtherTalk to AppleTalk (it is a IINT).
> 
> (We are going to ethernet because of a network expansion fairly  
shortly...
> otherwise I could remain with AppleTalk.)
> 
> I assume that the system 7x devices will automatically be running Phase  
2
> and the 6.0.8 devices will stay back in Phase 1. If this is true, will
> I require a transitional router so that each one can talk to the other?
> If so, what cost am I talking about? Is there another solution?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
>                                            ...Bob Mueller
>                                               bmueller@mis.mcw.edu

The system 7.0 machines will run the Phase I drivers if you drag them into  
the extension folder. I don't think the Phase I driver is shipped with 7.0  
anymore, but you can get it from one of the ethernet installer disks that  
you probably have. Or, you could install the Phase II driver on the 6.0.n  
machines. Either should work ok. We've done both here.

The transitional router (we use Gator's) is only needed until all your  
E'Talk devices and services are Phase II compatible. At this time, we're  
in transition on many of our backbones because of some VAX apps that are  
not Phase II available. So, we take one Gator and enable both phase I and  
II on it. It handles the bridging between the two protocols. 

Since Apple has dropped support of Phase I, I'd recommend sticking the  
Phase II drivers into the 6.0.n machines as soon as possible and move to a  
full Phase II network.

Greg Ferguson
rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: cjc@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Chen)
Subject: Other Comm Toolbox Tools?
Summary: aaaugh!
Keywords: kermit? zmodem?
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:08:33 GMT

Does anyone know of any availability, either free-, share- or
pay-ware, of other Comm Toolbox tools other than the ones that Apple
supplies?  XMODEM is nice, but there's *got* to be something faster
for Comm Toolbox users.

And don't tell me I want to move to MacKermit or ZTerm:  they're nice,
but I need Comm Toolbox functionality (don't ask, it's a *real* long
story).

Any pointers and/or info would be appreciated.  Thanks.


cjc




-- 
Christopher J. Chen; Master of Elegant Simplicity (thanks, Kevin!)
Academic Computing and Network Services; Northwestern University
cjc@nwu.edu; VCC 119; (708) 491-4109; (708) 491-3824 fax
"Every man is as God made him, ay, and often worse."  -- Miguel de Cervantes
From: shoemake@apple.com (Mike Shoemaker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: LC II and Apple ethernet card for the LC
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:24:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.180242.3453@lth.se>, roland@dna.lth.se (Roland Mansson) writes:
> 
> Does Apple's ethernet card for the LC work with LC II? I've tested one card
> and it didn't work (the LC II didn't even boot with it), but I can't imagine
> that Apple has invented yet another PDS slot. I can't see any reason why it
> shouldn't work (and if there is any then surely Apple could have 
> designed the card correctly in the first place).
> -- 
> Roland Mansson, Lund University Computing Center, Box 783, S220 07 Lund, Sweden
> Phone: +46-46107436   Fax: +46-46138225   Bitnet: roland_m@seldc52
> Internet: roland.mansson@ldc.lu.se   or   roland.mansson%ldc.lu.se@uunet.uu.net
> UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!sunic!ldc.lu.se!roland.mansson    AppleLink: SW0472
> 
>
Use the Network Software Installer 1.2 (from ftp.apple.com). Custom install
EtherTalk for the LC, then put in the card. The machine will boot just fine.

The driver in ROM on the original LC Ethernet card does not work with the
LC II. By installing the NSI 1.2 disk, you put a newer ethernet driver in the
System File that is loaded in preference to the one in the card's ROM.

The LC Ethernet card has been Rev'd and all cards currently shipping have a
newer, updated ROM.

If you run MacTCP-based products on the LC using the LC Ethernet
card, you will want to upgrade the driver using the NSI disk even if you
have a plain LC. The older driver has a bug that makes some MacTCP
applications unhappy (a limit on the number of fragments in a transmit
fragment list.) The driver installed by NSI 1.2 does not have this
limitation.

Mike Shoemaker
Apple Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: wishart@bnl.gov (James Wishart)
Subject: Re: Routing Appletalk across IP gateways
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:21:55 GMT

I would like to thank all of the people who replied to my request for
information and to repeat some information from c.s.m.digest which
may have been missed by people with 32K-limited newsreaders
( ;-), ;-), Bill).

The July, 1991 issue of Byte (p293-298) has an article which describes
two ways to create a WAAN (Wide Area Appletalk Network) by AT>IP tunneling.

To be fair to our BNL Networking Group, they had not meant to cut up
the Appletalk network, but one of the three Ciscos they installed
had Appletalk turned off by mistake.  This has been fixed.
The information you all sent is still useful to me, however, since I
hope to set up a WAAN with my collaborators in universities.

Thank you,
Jim Wishart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.appletalk
From: davidg@interop.com (David Gimpelevich)
Subject: MacTCP and DNS
Organization: Interop Company, Mountian View, CA 
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:27:18 GMT

Does anybody know what the  relationship is between the DN Server
specified in the hosts file and the one(s) inn the cdev?  Which one
takes precedence?  Which is the preferred method?

Thanks in advance for the info.
-- 

                                        David Gimpelevich
                                       	Interop Company
                                        davidg@interop.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jasonl@gagme.chi.il.us (Jason Lindquist)
Subject: Un-uuencoding files on a Macintosh
Keywords: Macintosh decode decompress uuencode uudecode
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 02:14:18 GMT

I've gotten a hold of some files off the net in the uuencode
format.  Problem is, I'm not running on a direct internet
connection- this is a remote modem connect from a Mac.  I
would really rather not waste my site's processor time to
unencode this stuff (It's rather large).  I'd like to do it
from home on the ol' IIsi.  Is there a Mac application which
will handle uuencoded files?  If so, where can I get it?

Thanks!

-- 
Jason  A. Lindquist           |  "Knight jumps Queen!  Bishop jumps Queen!  Rook
                              |   jumps Queen!  Everybody jumps Queen!"
jasonl@gagme.chi.il.us        |              
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stuart M Castergine)
Subject: Re: Modem for IIsi : Advice needed
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:35:04 GMT

In article <32896@darkstar.ucsc.edu> gabe_sky@cats.ucsc.edu (Gabriel M. Schuyler) writes:
>
>I've got an add right here that claims that you can purchase a
>2400 bps modem with cables, software and power supply for      $109
>9600 bps V.42 bis (9600 fax also) cable, softw, pwr.spl        $329
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| Does this sound to anybody else like one of those 2400 bps v.42 modems
that "can attain speeds approaching 9600 bps?"

>9600 bps V.32 bis (14.4K fax) cable, softwr, pwr.supl.         $429
>
>You've got to order direct from Quicktel at 1-800-735-6442
>It also says on the add that it's a limited time offer.
>There's no date on the add for the expiration of the offer, but the
>magazine is dated March 1992.

Guess I'll call and find out....
-- 
scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -- Stuart M. Castergine

Wake the Witch!
From: Arthur.Davis@p919.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Davis)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 21:31:00 -0500

Christopher Davis (1:109/401) wrote:

 CD> From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
 CD> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
 CD> Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central

 CD>  John> == John S. Mitchell <jsm2r@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU> 

 CD>  John> Using the modem on a Mac IIsi, I set my software for 
 CD> hardware
 CD>  John> handshaking and a communication rate of 57600 (computer to
 CD>  John> modem). Much to my chagrin, the text that came through 
 CD> from all
 CD>  John> the bbs's I tried was marred by numerous dropouts, [...]

 CD>  John> [Supra said "the Mac serial ports can't go over 19,200]

 CD> This is utter unadulterated bushwah.  My poor sluggish SE can 
 CD> connect to
 CD> a Telebit T3000 at 57,600 with hardware handshaking, and though 
 CD> it winds
 CD> up only getting about 1000cps of "real" throughput, it doesn't 
 CD> drop
 CD> characters; it just tells the modem to stop sending.

If you have a real hardware handshake cable (which ANY Mac with a regular
serial port can use), a V.32 modem can work with the port locked at
38,400 and a V.32bis can use a port locked at 57,600.  The higher rate
between the computer and the modem allows the modem to use its compression
magic to get the highest possible rate when talking to the other modem.
I have a Mac Classic and a V.32/HST USR Dual Standard with a hardware
handshake cable.  The newer Dual Standards are V.32bis, which are capable
of 14,400 both in V.32bis mode and proprietary HST mode.  I use HST if
I can since it does 14,400 while my V.32 is only 9600.  In either case,
I lock the port at 38,400 and on the lowly Classic I normally get more
than 1600 characters per second using HST and more than 1100 cps with V.32.

Important things to do are to lock the port speed (however your modem of
choice does that), set your flow control to hardware handshake in your
comm software, and set your modem to ignore DTR.  If your modem is not
set to ignore DTR (usually a dip switch setting), then any time you get
a data overrun the modem might drop carrier instead of regulating the
flow with the hardware handshake.  Mac serial ports (as others have
pointed out) are capable of 230 K, which LocalTalk uses.  57,600 shouldn't
even make a Mac Plus break a sweat.  A IIci can push 57.6K a lot faster
than a Plus, but the Plus will get by just fine with hardware flow
control in charge.
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: TelePort modem with PowerBook100 doesn't work?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 19:30:35 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


In <shmuli.703190051@shum> shmuli@huji.ac.il (Shmuel Browns) writes:

>Is Global Village doing anything about it??  I'm running version 1.06

	try with version 2.02 which is available from RASCAL's archives
	(I like to not tell the exact location so people make the time
	 to read the README files and other useful hints .... ;-)
	  nah - it's in mac/support-of-products/GlobalVillage

	I'm using an external sendfax on the PB140 and whereas the
	power requirements exceed the specs of the ADB-bus, I was
	told not to worry .. (famous last words - but I tend to believe
	them in this case)... I have no idea if they say the same regading
	the PB100 ...
-- 
  --(werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu)--*OR*--(...!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner)--
Definition of Foreign Aid:
	"The transfer of money from poor people in rich countries
	to rich people in poor countries"  ---Unknown, probably dead...
From: brent@terminus.gatech.edu (Brent Laminack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Fast terminal emulation on a network??
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:59:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing

Greetings!

	I have a bunch of Macs networked via LocalTalk, and a FastPath 4
bridging to ethernet with Unix hosts. Running NCSA telnet works, but when
I cat a file and time it, I get an effective throughput of about 3500 baud.
Does anyone have experience with faster terminal emulation solutions for
the above setup? A simple timing with characters per second throughput 
would tell me a lot.

	Thanks in advance, if interest warrents, I'll post a summary.

		Brent Laminack (brent@cc.gatech.edu)

					
					-Brent Laminack (brent@cc.gatech.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann)
Subject: Re: looking for an NFS client for the MAC
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:15:21 GMT
Reply-To: kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation

In article <1992Apr7.155925.12111@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, 
bo550@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Beaven-Leibow) writes:
> 
> Is there a freely distributable implementation of NFS (client) for the MAC,
> or an inexpensive implementation that works with MAC TCP.
> 

There are two, take your pick.

NFS/Share from InterCon.
MacPathWay NFS Client from Wollongong.

Ask here on the net for experiences.  They both run for $295 at last check.


Kurt Baumann                  Creators of fine TCP/IP Products
InterCon Systems            For the Macintosh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: mjkobb@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb)
Subject: Apple Talk Remote vs. Noise?
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:46:18 GMT

Greetings!

  I've recently received my new SupraFaxModem v.32bis, and I've been
using it to connect with AppleTalk Remote to work.  I'm not using
ARA so much for Mac-to-Mac connectivity as to get me connected to
the campus network so that I can open TCP connections to Unix hosts.

  I'm running into a problem, though.  ARA seems to spontaneously
disconnect every now and then (frequently enough to make it a royal
pain to have to reconnect and re-login to the Unix machines).  The
only message I get is something like, "Your AppleTalk Remote
connection has been disconnected."  Helpful.

  I've noticed that the phone line I'm on is a bit noisy.  Indeed,
after dialing in over a normal serial connection after ARA punted me
for the third time last night, I was getting quite a bit of line
noise.  I've also noticed this on voice connections.

  Question: is ARA susceptible to noise?  I thought it was supposed
to have built-in error correction.  There are a couple of other
factors here (the new modem, a custom CCL on the other side), but it
does work quite well for up to a couple of hours, then just hang up,
so I'm not convinced that those are the problems.

  Has anybody had problems with ARA on noisy lines?

  For you CCL gurus:  if the machine on one end thinks it's
"CommunicatingAt 2400" while the other thinks it's "CommunicatingAt
14400", would this cause problems with the error
correction/detection?  Due to limitations on our hardware at one end
(no CONNECT message), we've aimed at the lowest common denominator.
Would this cause my problems?  (No "yeah, probably" messages,
please.  If you think so, please tell me why.)

  Boy, I really love the bleeding edge of technology... :-)

Many thanks!
--Mike
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Terminal 2.2 Questions
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:52:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.a+2j4kk.mspace
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr17.052356.3027@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:
>I just downloaded Terminal 2.2 and I have a couple of questions:
>
>   1)  Is there a way to send a break sequence???
>   2)  If not then has anyone added this to the source code???  What
>       does it take to send a break (programming-wise)?
>   3)  Has anyone else had the program freeze when they use the about
>       Terminal menu item?  Is there a fix for this?
>   4)  Does anyone know if the Terminal 2.2 application file that is
>       included in the distribution is compiled to use the CTB?
>
>Thanks for any responses in advance.  In case you are wondering, Terminal
>2.2 lets you use a subset of C to write a variety of nifty scripts.
>
>Jess Holle

Here is some simple code to do a sync break with the comm toolbox. The 60
is a duration, in ticks, for the break.

/* DoBreak
 *  CMBreak effects a break operation upon the connection.  The exact effect
 *  of this operation depends upon the tool in use.
 */
void CCommDoc::DoBreak(void)
{
  if (hConn)
    CMBreak(hConn, 60, FALSE, 0);
}

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| Brian Hall, Mark/Space Softworks                                            |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Mike Alexander <Mike.Alexander@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: MacTCP and Slip ?
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:56:42 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, ITD-Research Systems
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

I'm using SLIP with MacTCP to post this message. The SLIP tool that I am
using is part of the next release (4.6.2) of VersaTerm from Synergy. It
seems to work quite well, although my 9600BPS modem at home is noticably
slower than my ethernet at work. :-)


Mike Alexander              Internet:       Mike.Alexander@umich.edu
University of Michigan      America Online: MAlexander
ITD - Research Systems      AppleLink:      UMICH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn)
Subject: Re: Hermes?!  Yech.  WWIV me baby.
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:41:32 GMT

taby7@isuvax.iastate.edu (Felix The Cat) writes:

> Wondering if anyone out there knows where I can purchase me a copy of mac WWI
> I don't like Hermes, especially this 30 day expiration 75 dollars or die
> policy.  
> (Felix<>Tom)
> 
>   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  /_ elix the Cat,TABY7@vaxf.iastate.edu | "Save water, shower with a friend."
> /    "Save a tree.  Eat a beaver."      |  "FAQ.", "Well, same to you buddy!"
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

You should check out MUBBS, it should be available on InterNet somewhere or
on these BBS's:  (its freeware and it's totally MODULAR!)
 
Space Sciences BBS    (805) 259-6407    (14,400) West Coast
Nexus 6               (504) 522-6607    (38,400) Central USA
PAMUG                 (215) 635-0664    (14,400) East Coast
 
THese are the SUPORT BBS's !! this BBS is supported by more than ONE
place and more than ONE programmer!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Re: free ftp and/or telnet clients for the mac?
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:14:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.233337.13570@schbbs.mot.com> rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com (Greg Ferguson) writes:
> >>For free Telnet client I'd just use NCSA Telnet. It's lean, it's mean, it
>>>works. It's also on Sumex, or on zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (I think that's it).
>>
>>Well, yeah it works.  "lean" and "mean" is stretching it.
>>
>>Oh, the original reason for this post:
>>
>>Use ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu  (I know it's the same machine, it's just
>>easier to remember.)
>
>When I say "lean" and "mean", I refer to the comparision in size to other 
>programs with combined Telnet and FTP clients. TCP/Connect is quite bloated 
>in comparision, but it does more. Telnet is much faster, and will fit in a 
>smaller space.
>
>Somedays I have only TCP/Connect in RAM, otherdays I've got six programs in 
>RAM and need to Telnet somewhere...
>
>Greg
>

A great public domain FTP client for the Mac is Fetch from Dartmouth
University. Available at sumex-aim.stanford.edu.

Regards,
Tom Karches

-- 
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karches@utdallas.edu | I would have become a musician instead of a politician."
---------------------'----------------------------------- Richard Nixon
From: macman@rugsucker (Chris Silverberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Zmodem 3.14 stopped working ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:07:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr8.000756.14322
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In an article dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) rambles:

>What I've heard is this: the most recent versions of the "rzsz" program
>suite (for Unix) implement the ZMODEM-90 protocol.  This is Chuck
>Forsberg's enhanced version of ZMODEM.  Unlike the original ZMODEM
>protocol (which was in the public domain), ZMODEM-90 is proprietary, and
>its use requires a license from Chuck Forsberg.  
>
>I suspect that the new version of rzsz your site has installed is trying
>to negotiate a ZMODEM-90 session, and that ZTerm is refusing the
>negotiation because it doesn't understand ZMODEM-90.

Although this may be the case, I doubt it for a couple reasons.  First,
from what I understand, ZMODEM-90 is Zmodem with extensions, and should
be fully compatible with older versions of Zmodem.

Indeed the 2.2 version of TBBS has implemented ZMODEM-90 and it works fine
with White Knight and ZTerm.  In addition, I myself use Zmodem with a host
using version 3.14 along with White Knight on my Mac and haven't had any
problems...

- Chris


 
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