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From: SACKETT@Best.CMH.McMaster.CA ("Andrew B. Sackett	X 5150")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VMS version of INDENT for C after 1989?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

We have a version of C INDENT that has been hanging around here for a while (2
yrs?).  I finally managed to get it to work (with help from others here), but
I've noticed a few strange things.

One biggie is that it doesn't seem to break all the lines at the desired right
margin (-l option, I think).  It seems to me that this would be a major reason
for using an indent-like tool.  If it won't break lines when I tell it to, why
use it?

According to VERSION.H, the version of INDENT we got starts with Berkeley
indent 5.11 (9/15/88).
Then it went through GNU and became GNU indent 1.1 (based on Berkeley 5.11).
Then, there's a note by some unknown person that says they merged in a bunch of
changes from "the BSD version of Sep 89" into what we got.

Is there a version of C indent from somewhere that

a) runs on VMS 5.4
b) is customizable with a definition (profile) file
c) Creates a new version of the input file if there is no output specified
d) pays attention to right margin specifications and breaks when/where proper
e) understands and handles function prototypes



As a side-light, Anybody written INDENT for Sybase TRANSACT-SQL?  Just
curious...

Andrew
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: eherderi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Edward E Herderick)
Subject: How to make a disk unbootable?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:19:26 GMT


 Hardware : Microvax II with two disk controllers so I have 
            DUA0,DUA1,DUA2,DUA3 and
            DUB0,DUB1,DUB2,DUB3,DUB4,DUB5

 Problem  : Had VMS 5.3 running on DUA3. Built VMS 5.5 on DUB5. Now when
            I do a "b" to boot I always boot from DUA3. I want to keep
            DUA3 around for a while so I can't take it offline.

 Question : How do I make DUA3 "unbootable"? I spent all morning with 
            TFM and could only find out how to make it bootable.

 Thanks,

 Ed Herderick (eeh+@osu.edu)

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: re: C & shared file & fseek & !RMS
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:56:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.194533.1350@ornl.gov>, mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (James A. Mullens) writes:
>If you can also specify fixed record size ("rfm=fix") and null record
>attributes (I used "wb" or "rb" for the access mode of the fopen function),
>you are creating a fixed-record-length file.  This file format has no
>"overhead bytes" in the record, so records begin at file position 
>record_number * record_size.

Only if the number of bytes per record is even.  If the number of bytes in the
record is odd, RMS pads it with one null byte.  So the record actually starts
at file position record number * ((record_size + 1) / 2) * 2.

>I tested this and it works with one hitch.  The C RTL or RMS keeps a lock
>on some record: either the last record accessed or the record following
>it.  For example, if the writer process creates a file of 200 records then
>fseeks to record 33 and reads it, record 33 or 34 will be locked so that
>the reader process cannot read it (fread returns a "record locked" error).
>This is not a big problem for me, but it's not quite what I expected.
>I expected that a record would be locked only while being re-written
>(updated), not forever after the writer process read the record or the
>previous record...  This looks like a hangover from the C RTL's default
>"sequential access mode" -- the RTL is anticipating a write to the next
>record (which may never happen).

No. It's there in case you decide to update the record (i.e., read it, modify
it, and write it back to the file).  It's to allow two streams to synchronize
access to the record.  You wouldn't want two streams to try to update the same
record at the same time, would you?  If you actually used RMS, you'd have the
option of unlocking the record, or overriding the lock.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXes and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: fineberg@wugate.wustl.edu (Charlie Fineberg)
Subject: Re: HELP:Displaying remote X applics
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, Missouri USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:38:00 GMT

In article <861@se.alcbel.be> mvbr@se.alcbel.be writes:
>I am trying to run a window application on a DECStation (Ultrix 4.2) and display
>it on my VAXstation (VMS 5.4). 
>On ULTRIX I do (username FOO):  
>                  >DISPLAY=vax::0.0
>                  >export DISPLAY
>                  >/usr/bin/X11/xclock (only an example)
>                  >
>And I get the error Xlib: connection to "vax::0.0" refused by server
>                    Xlib: Client is not authorized to access server
>                    Error: Can't open display

  Did you enable tcpip as a transport in
SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM?  Without it you won't be able
to have any incoming sessions.
	Charlie
--
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Campus Box 1048, 534 Jolley Hall		fineberg@wugate.wustl.edu
St. Louis, MO 63130					(314)935-4865
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: SEEKING a useful .COM file
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:53:10 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu does not like the fact that

	$ DIR [HOME...]

results in

	Directory DISK1:[HOME]

	A.DIR
	B.DIR
	X.COM

	Directory DISK1:[HOME.A]

	FOO.TMP

	Directory DISK1:[HOME.B]

	BAR.TMP

if he instead uses the /NOHEAD and /NOTRAIL qualifiers, he'll get

	DISK1:[HOME]A.DIR
	DISK1:[HOME]B.DIR
	DISK1:[HOME]X.COM
	DISK1:[HOME.A]FOO.TMP
	DISK1:[HOME.B]BAR.TMP

ok
dpm
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              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
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From: yoshi@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil (D M Yoshikami)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: INSTALL and "<>"s...
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:02:28 GMT
Organization: National Naval Medical Center

In article <1992Apr15.214813.19181@cco.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>Just to pick a nit:  It's Files-11 On-Disk Structure 1 and Files-11 On-Disk
>Structure 2.

Hmm!  So THAT's what it is really called (I knew there was 'a one and a two'
in there [without any Lawrence Welk :-) ... sorry!])

If my memory is Ok, which it often isn't, I seem to recall that RMS came on
a separate tape (back in 1982!!) which the sysmgr DIDN'T install because he
figured nobody used it.  Well, you can still access junk without RMS directly
through the XQP (actually back then I think it was the FILES-11 ACP that did
the dirty work), so I think what he did is plausible.  But this was on the
Files-11 On-disk Structure 1.

DY :-)

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From: BARANSKI@vsdec.nusc.navy.mil (James Baranski)
Subject: $DEVICE_SCAN System Service
Organization: Naval Underwater Sound Center, New London CT
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:08:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Has anyone out there used the $DEVICE_SCAN System Service, preferably from C?

In the documentation 5.2 New Features, it says the argument that sets what
types of devices to scan for is an item-list-3 type argument.  the item-list-3
argument has a device-code field, and also a return buffer length field, an 
'address of the buffer $DEVICE_SCAN is to scan', and returned info length
field.

This doesn't make any sense to me.  The first $DEVICE_SCAN argument already
returns the device name found, and I haven't the foggiest notion of where
I'm supposed to point $DEVICE_SCAN to some buffer to scan; shouldn't VMS be
supplying that information?

Thanks, Jim Baranski BARANSKI@VSDEC.NUSC.NAVY.MIL
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to make a disk unbootable?
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:33:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttd.1992Apr15.133504.1
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division

In article <1992Apr12.201926.10376@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, eherderi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Edward E Herderick) writes:
> 
>  Hardware : Microvax II with two disk controllers so I have 
>             DUA0,DUA1,DUA2,DUA3 and
>             DUB0,DUB1,DUB2,DUB3,DUB4,DUB5
> 
>  Problem  : Had VMS 5.3 running on DUA3. Built VMS 5.5 on DUB5. Now when
>             I do a "b" to boot I always boot from DUA3. I want to keep
>             DUA3 around for a while so I can't take it offline.
> 
>  Question : How do I make DUA3 "unbootable"? I spent all morning with 
>             TFM and could only find out how to make it bootable.
> 
  If you can, swap the disks between the controllers so that the names change.
> 
-- 
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   rice@ttd.teradyne.com     |   MY opinion only, no one else's...Especially
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From: a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: equivalent of 'make' for VMS?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:31:47 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Hi, could someone point to the equivalent of Unix 'make' for VMS?
Something which does the only compile changed stuff type program.

I'm working on porting a rather huge program and I'd rather not have
to port the likes of make also. Please respond via email, I don't
read this group.

Thanks a bunch,

-- 
:: Christopher Lloyd :: a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu :: Yrrid Inc. ::
           It's "Year-rid", put a Russian twang on it.
From: ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: HELP WITH HELP
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:50:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> I am new to vax/vms system.
> would anybody out there please tell me how to add more information
> to vms help.
> what I want to do is ,add information say about bitnet on vms help.
> we are on vms version 5.4-2 on vax 4000.

The procedure to add topics to VMS HELP is documented in the gray wall,
but here comes a short summary plus a few opinions of my own.

Basicly you can add topics to VMS HELP in two ways:

Insert it in HELPLIB as follows:

  1)  Create a .HLP-file in the format:
        1 topic
         text
        2 subtopic
         text
        2 subtopic
         text
      Note that the numbers starts in position 1, the text starts in
      position 2.
  2)  Insert it in HELPLIB with:
        LIBRARY/HELP/INSERT SYS$HELP:HELPLIB <your .HLP-file>

Insert it in a seperate HELP-library as follows:

  1)  As above.
  2)  Create a new HELP-library:
        LIBRARY/HELP/CREATE <your HELP-library> <your .HLP-file>
  3)  Direct HELP to use that HELP-library:
        DEFINE/SYSTEM HLP$LIBRARY <you HELP-library>
      or if HLP$LIBRARY is in use the HLP$LIBRARY_1 or if that
      is also in use then HLP$LIBRARY_2 (etc. up to 999).

The following is my personal opinion about when to use theese two methods.

I think the first method is most appropriate for real software
packages from DEC or third party companies. I think the second method
is most appropriate for the system-managers own utility-programs and
his site-specific information/hints for the users.

                                                          Arne Vajhxj

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%238310013040::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VAX C: SYS$MOUNT question
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:49:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: eco.1992Apr13.234944.1171
Reply-To: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)


In article <73109@netnews.upenn.edu>, zampetti@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. M.) writes:
|>I am in the middle of prgramming an application in VAX C that will deal
|>with Magnetic Tapes. I know how to call most of the SYS$ routines, and
|>have actually got the SYS$ALLOC command to work correctly. My question is
|>with $MOUNT. According to the documentation, $MOUNT takes one parameter, an
|>itemlist. An itemlist is a list of items. An item is a descriptor with the
|>following structure.
|>
|>	31		  15		      0
|>	---------------------------------------
|>	|   item code      |  buffer length   |
|>	---------------------------------------
|>	|  	buffer address                |
|>	---------------------------------------
|>
|>The question I have is how to implement this itemlist. For $ALLOC, I had to
|>use a VAX C DSC$DESCRIPTOR structure. Should I use the same thing here. If
|>so, what data class and type should I use for the Descriptor. Also, how
|>should I implement the itemlist itself. 

First off, your structure is missing the fourth field -- the return length
address field. Yes, I know the docs say it's not used, but that doesn't mean
it isn't present.

Generally I set up item lists using the following data structures:

union itmlst3 {
    long int	list_end;
    struct list_entry {
	unsigned short	buflen;
	unsigned short	itmcod;
	void		*bufadr;
	long int	*retadr;
    } list_entry;
};

do_mount( char *device_name )
{
    union itmlst3 mount_itmlst[ MOUNT_ITEMS+1 ];

    mount_itmlst[0].list_entry.itmcod = MNT$_DEVNAM;
    mount_itmlst[0].list_entry.buflen = strlen( device_name );
    mount_itmlst[0].list_entry.bufadr = device_name;
    mount_itmlst[0].list_entry.retadr = 0;
    mount_itmlst[1].list_end = 0;

    sys$mount( mount_itmlst );
}

Obviously, there'll be more code to it than just this fragment, but this
should get you started.

|>I would appreciate any help, including the name of books that one could
|>purchase that explain the use of VAX C when using SYS routines, especially
|>$MOUNT.

There is a DEC course called something like "Utilizing VAX/VMS Features from
VAX C", but I never bothered with it. Keep in mind that, unlike some other
operating systems which have different interfaces for different languages,
VMS has only one interface, and you can use that interface from any language.

All you need to do is take some care in making sure your arguments are passed
by the correct mechanism. There are three mechanisms used by VMS: Value,
Reference and Descriptor. The VAX C User and Reference manuals describe how
to use each of these mechanisms from VAX C.

--
Reece R. Pollack
Senior Software Engineer
The Wollongong Group, Inc.
From: PRICE@PHGRAV.DNET.LSU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: SCA/SCS/MSCP_SERVER information
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: LSUVAX.01GIX8RD43BKDP7DJF
Organization: The Internet

I'm having a bit of trouble with MSCP served disks in a LAVC. VMS
Engineering is currently looking at the problem, but I'm trying to
understand what's going on in cluster communications internally. Does
anybody care to give a brief (or not so brief) explanation of SCS and
MSCP flow control? Or does anyone have any pointers to any documentation
on SCA and the MSCP server? I have a couple of relevant articles from
DSIN, the Digital Technical Journal on VAXclusters (which has an
excellent overview of SCA, by the way), and am curently looking through
the SCS listings (SCSSESSION  and SCSXPORT seem to be the most
interesting). I do not have any issues of Quorum magazine, and there may
be some relevant stuff in there. And if anyone at DEC is willing and
able to help out with some real documentation, I do have a current
source listings non-disclosure agreement, and am willing to sign more...
What I'm really looking for, I guess, is along the lines of how to write
a SYSAP. Oh well, I've wanted to dig into this black box for quite some
time, but this wasn't quite the reason I had in mind..

Please CC any posts to me since my reception of INFO-VAX has been very
iffy since the Great Mail Loop of November '91. If necessary I'll
summarize, excluding any that wish to be, of course.


Brad Price, LSU Experimental Relativity Group
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From: carroll@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (martin.d.carroll)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: vms and non-ascii countries
Keywords: left bracket
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:59:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

This problem has no doubt appeared on this newsgroup before, so forgive me.

What does vms file name syntax look like in countries where '[' and ']' are
national characters?

mar
carroll@mozart.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney)
Subject: Re: SEEKING a useful .COM file
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:56:27 GMT

In article <464@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet () writes:
>Might anyone be able to provide me with a .COM file which displays a list of
>all files within a set of nested directories.  For example, if the following
>directory structure existed:
>	[home]
>	[home.one]
>	[home.one.a]
>	[home.one.b]
>	(etc.)
>It would be useful to have a DCL "comfile" which, in response to
>"$dirlist [home]",
>would provide something like the following:
>	[home]file1
>	[home]file2
>	[home.one]file1
>	[home.one]file2
>	(etc.)

Hows about this:

$ dir/nohead/notrail [home...]/exclude=*.dir

Here's a comfile:

$ thedir = p1 - "]" + "...]"
$ dir/nohead/notrail 'thedir'/exclude=*.dir

	Darrin
-- 

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"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."
From: dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Error starting clients in Motif 1.0A
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:00:33 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

When I select a new application from the Session Manager Application
menu under Motif 1.0A, I get the following message when I look at the
output from "Work in Progress":

%DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special characters
\;EXT_21_2\

I have no idea where this is coming from.  I've looked everywhere for this
string.
-- 
Eric Dittman                  Texas Instruments - Component Test Facility
dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    (214) 578-3575
Disclaimer:  Not even my opinions.  I found them by the side of the road.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: lionel@quark.enet.dec.com (Steve Lionel)
Subject: Re: Accounting and vector processors
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  7 APR 92 15:07:32    


In article <1992Apr7.075030.391@mr.gov.bc.ca>, ewilts@mr.gov.bc.ca 
(Ed Wilts) writes...
> 
>As another vector question, I'm curious about the relationship of vector
>utilization versus "normal" cpu utilization.  While the vector processor is
>busy doing its thing, is the normal cpu available for other tasks?  In other
>words, on a 9420 with 2 vector processors, can we sell 48 hours of vector cpu
>per day PLUS 48 hours of scalar cpu per day?  Or is the affinity so tight that
>the scalar cpu is unavailable until the vector operation is complete?
> 

Each vector CPU is tightly coupled to its associated scalar CPU, so you
can't have one process using the vector CPU and a different process using
the associated scalar CPU in the same quantum.  However, programs using
the vector processor also execute scalar instructions, and these can
run in parallel with the vector processor.  A well-coded program can take
advantage of this, starting a vector operation and doing some scalar
code until the vector results are needed.  The VAX FORTRAN-HPO compiler
will do this where it can.  (The FORTRAN-HPO compiler also knows how to
start multiple vector operations which will run in parallel in the vector
CPU.)

As far as accounting (the original question) is concerned, you are dealing
with two "rates", one for scalar and marginal vector consumers, and one
for active vector consumers (who also use the scalar CPU).  

For more information on vector processing in general, see the "VAX Vector
Processing Handbook" (EC-H0419-46).  Some additional information, mostly
related to how one takes advantage of the vector processor from Fortran,
can be found in the VAX FORTRAN Performance Guide (AA-PB75A-TE), which
is shipped with FORTRAN-HPO kits and is also on the on-line documentation
CD-ROM under "VAX FORTRAN".

Steve Lionel                    lionel@quark.enet.dec.com
Languages Group
Digital Equipment Corporation
110 Spit Brook Road
Nashua, NH 03062
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: MAIL PROBLEM WITH BITNET
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@Diamonds.ACES.COM
Organization: Associates in Consulting and Educational Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <01GISPG1DC8090N5QR@TSU.BITNET>, GUDURU@TSU.BITNET (Mahesh) writes...
#HI
#we have two users on our system with usernames taylor001, taylor002,
#the problem is whenever user taylor002 receives mail from other site
#it is received by taylor001 but NOT vice versa.
#I would appreciate if somebody have any suggestions or idea's about
#this problem.

	1. Get an Internet connection and use TCP/IP software.

	2. Buy PMDF

	3. Petition Joiner to get their act in gear.  First they
	   remove talented individuals*, now they have substandard
	   software... where will it all end?

#please e-mail your respones to guduru@tsu.bitnet
#thanks in advance.
#mahesh

	Ehud

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gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
* Naturally I would never mention S.A.'s name in this forum.
  Just because he was an intelligent talented individual who
  was able to represent them in a technically-competent manner...
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: rbspencer@vms.macc.wisc.edu
Subject: Tailoring Motif off and DecWindows on
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Chemistry Department
Distribution:  world
Date:  7 APR 92 12:30:50    

I have a VaxStation 4000/60 as a cluster host.  I'd like to run DecWindows 
throughout the cluster. The 4000/60 comes with VMS 5.5 and DecWidows/Motif, and 
a single-user Motif license.  I tailored off Motif and tailored on DecWindows. 
DecWindows is up mostly* on the 4000/60, but I still don't get a login window 
on the other cluster nodes.  

Does anyone know the solution?  DEC says I'll have to reinstall VMS 5.5 and 
reinstall Decwindows, because some VMS files are involved, and aren't properly
tailored on/off, and they don't know which ones.

Please reply directly.

Thanks.

* Up mostly:  I can't customize some things for DecTerm.  All else seems to 
work that I've tried.
===

Brad Spencer (BERT & BERTHA System Manager)
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UUCP:     uwvax!bert.chem.wisc.edu!BRAD%astroatc.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu or equivalent

Room 9305A Chemistry Building
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