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From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: US corporate drug pushers target Asia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:53:35 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <64257@cup.portal.com> patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M Crumhorn) writes:

>Vice President Dan Quayle put it rather starkly in 1990: "tobacco exports
>should be expanded aggressively because Americans are smoking less." 
	He's a piece of work that Dan Quayle.  I guess ethics are for
	those dreaded followers of the L-word.	It is really beginning
	to get to me that our "leaders" are so transparently hypocritical
	(e.g. drugs are bad, drugs kill, but exporting drugs is a good thing).
	It makes me so ashamed of my country that it elects such 
	stupid and hypocritical people to high office.  These clowns
	talk "morals" and "values" all the time but have made concern
	for others a bad word.  They have made compassion, sensitivity
	to others and business ethics a sign of weakness and the stigmata 
	of the dread LIBERALISM (TM).  When are people going
	to wise up to these clowns and throw them and their dubious
	morality out of office?  It seems so easy to manipulate public
	opinion in this country with spurious Madison Avenue political 
	campaigns that focus on vacuous concepts (like "family values")
	that are all connotation and no denotation.  They crank up the 
	propaganda machine and the nation of TV addicts jump into line.
	One word from the president and the yellow ribbons go on every mailbox 
	in America.  A campaign slogan or two and the word "liberal" becomes 
	a dirty	word, with connotations similar to "communist".
	They are constantly talking about "Judeo-Christian" values and
	yet one wonders what they mean.  They obviously don't mean
	"turning the other cheek" when it comes to foreign nations that
	offend America nor do they mean the golden rule when it comes to
	pushing drugs on other countries that we discourage at home.
	Just what are these Judeo-Christian values we hear so much about?
	How can someone like Dan Quayle keep a straight face when he
	talks about "values"?  How can so many people be fooled by
	such a facile attempt at being "holier than thou"? 

>Asian health experts say this policy means "a huge epidemic of death will be
>unleashed in the Third World." 
	How un-Uhmuhrican to say that our decent god fearing farmers
	in North Carolina (who elect and re-elect that paragon of
	godly virtue Jesse Helms) are purveyors of death! ;-)  Don't these
	people know that nicotine is not an EVIL DRUG (TM)?  I guess
	those folks haven't been listening to the propaganda machine.
	What's wrong with them?  ;-)
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Mail interception
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:31:17 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <4eWcVq_00WB24MiXg3@andrew.cmu.edu> "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What about the sniffing of domestic mail in the United States?
>1. Does it happen?
	You bet it does.  It happened to me.  The Nazi's dogs ruined a
	perfectly good fruitcake sent by my sister-in-law.  It seems the
	dogs aren't too picky about what drugs smell like and the package 
	was brick-shaped.  To add to the "suspicious" nature of the package 
	it was sent by someone with a Hispanic surname. 
 
	The situation could have turned ugly.  My postman told me that the
	storm troopers wanted her to go to the door with the package
	so they could stake it out.  She refused, bless her heart.  Even
	those who work for the beast can be decent.  The thought of one
	of my young daughters having a gun shoved in her face by one of
	the WOD storm troopers makes my blood run cold.  No place is
	safe when your government begins the long slow slide to totalitarian
	control.  First they bend the constitution to "clean up" the drugs
	then the prostitutes, then the people who don't salute the flag
	and pray the state prayer.  America, I wish I still knew you.


>2. Does it happen to all packages, or just certain ones?  (for example, all
>packages over a pound or something)
	Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of the postal inspector
	Nazis?

>3. What drugs are dogs trained to sniff for, just MJ or other stuff too?
	By my experience they are trained to sniff for alcohol containing
	fruitcakes as well.

>4. What are people's personal experiences with sending substances through the
>US domestic mail services?
	Don't do it.  Unless of course you want to conduct a little sting
	of your own. :-) I've often wondered what would happen if enough
	packages of hash got sent to the children of the elite.
	The original witch hunts of the 1600's stopped abruptly when too
	many of the "pillars of society" were being accused.  One 
	wonders how many members of the elite would have to lose their
	houses before the WOD stopped.


>5. What about the UPS?  Any different?
	Good question.  The moralists of the current administration perhaps
	have less direct control at UPS.  I suspect it may be easier.
	No postal inspectors standing around trying to justify their
	existence by busting those nasty druggies. ;-)
From: dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:11:29 GMT
	<1992Aug18.171719.24538@mits.mdata.fi>
Organization: Roberstool Research Labs
In-reply-to: jah@mits.mdata.fi's message of 18 Aug 92 17:17:19 GMT

this is mostly irrelevant, but here goes: "On stools covered with
white satin sit naked Mugwumps sucking translucent, colored syrups
through alabaster straws. Mugwumps have no livers and nourish
themselves entirely on sweets. Thin, purple-blue lips cover a
razor-sharp beak of black bone with which they frequently tear each
other to shreds in fights over clients. These creatures secrete and
addicting fluid from their erect penises which prolongs life by
slowing metabolism."

   If you want a truly _strong_ aural trip-toy buy the WSB "Dead City
Radio" recordning. It has Burroughs reading from his works, (mostly
Naked Lunch but including the _most excellent_ "Thanksgiving Prayer")
with funky musical accompaniment drawn from the NBC Studios music
files. I have not had that particular trip pleasure, but it's possible
the Burroughs dry Midewestern narratives would compete with Trout Mask
replica as challenging and worthwhile listening.

   There, this posting has something to do with drugs now.

   A final Burroughs note -- Nova express is one of my favorites (and
some of my friends) and it's sufficiently bizarre that after reading
it, you'll find Naked Lunch a pretty conventional and accessible
reading experience.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: RE: Poppies & Opium
From: gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Mycal)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 23:44 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
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In article <1992Aug14.132854.26284@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes...
>In article <376.9208140717@ail.amdahl.com>, Xanadu@kublai.com writes:
>>>	using them for an illegal purpose. Since then, I have come dddd
>The dreaded Opium Poppy species (Pavalar Somniferum or something -- look it
>up in an encyclopedia) grows in Asia Minor.  Unless your field is there, you
>probably have harmless flowers on your hands.  They won't get you high, but
>eating the seeds might make you fail a drug test.

Well opium poppies are native to turkey, the English took them to asia.

There are many Opium poppies growing allover the pacific north west.

In fact I saw a bunch growing at tahoe this weekend.





> 
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Desmanthus illinoensis
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:09:31 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <gsVcPB1w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, scotc.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
> dhappe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (avid allen happe) writes:
> 
>> 
>> Anyone have any details about the consumption of the roots of
>> Desmanthus illinoensis?  It supposedly contains useful amounts
>> of DMT.
>  
> Isn't there DMT in the roots of Sensitive plants??? samething??

I don't think so. You are probably confused with Mimosa hostilis.
Comments anyone?
> 
> SAC

Jeremy
Jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:40:53 GMT

bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
: In article <1992Aug19.213129.27633@microsoft.com> alane@microsoft.com (Alan Ezekiel) writes:
: 
: >If there is any drug which (1) stops nearly instantly, (2) is
: >effective in the _same_ dosage on people of widely different
: >body mass, (3) causes no serious or lethal damage to the target,
: >and (4) is reliable, we might be able to construct such a device.
: >But I am unaware of any drug which meets those parameters.
: 
: It's called a nine-millimeter with Glazers. Ok, 3 out of 4.

Sorry, Bob. Even the Glazer slug is not reliable. It works better
than hard ball, and does not penetrate walls as bad - but that is
all.

Bill
From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: Poppies & Opium
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:14:19 GMT

In article <273.9208140617@ail.amdahl.com> Xanadu@kublai.com writes:
>	Some time ago, somebody posted an article about poppies and
>	using them for an illegal purpose. Since then, I have come
>	across a field of poppies, and was wondering if the original
>	poster, or anyone else, can tell me if all poppies are "useful"
>	to some degree, or if it's species dependant.

Papaver somniferum is the opium poppy.  It was commonly grown in the
USA when it was still a constitutional republic.  The opium poppy is
proabably the largest of the family, growing up to 5 feet tall.  The
seed capsules can be as large as hens' eggs.  The leaves are large,
gray-green, and much less articulated that those of the Oriental
poppy.

Unless you're into manual labor even a field of opium poppies will
afford you little more than a backache.  Opium collection is very
labor intensive.  The procedure typically involves making a hundred
or so slits around the "equator" of the seed capsule after sundown,
and collecting the tiny amount of hardened latex before sunup the
next morning.  This is repeated at about 5 day intervals over the
course of a month or so.  The result will be enough opium that the
morphine content of which will relieve the backache you got from the
collection process!

If they are opium poppies, the best thing you can do is collect a
ripe seed capsule and plant some in your own garden next year and
enjoy them simply as flowers.  Check your local laws.  Most states
allow a limited number (in Ohio, 12) to be grown.
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mencken
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and Alcohol: What's The Difference?
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:51:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories


 (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:

> >   They're just scared shitless of someone getting the idea that LSD is 
not
> >in itself at all "cooler" that alcohol.
> 
> That's me--hipper than thou personified.
> -- 
> Pete Hartman                   Bradley University 

Someday I hope I can be like Pete, but right now I'm having a hard time just trying to be like me!

Rob "Rob Robertson wannabe" Robertson      

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From: q92269@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de (Daniel 'danny' Roedding)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Ecstacy (X) dangerous? CNN British report ...
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:59:10 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn

Paul Hager <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>My impression was that this was all hysteria -- although
>I can believe that tainted drugs might have caused some "toxic
>reactions" if there is any truth in this report.  But heatstroke??

Probably as a result from uncontrolled hyperventilation over quite a long
time?

Daniel
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+49 5251 541965    "/: cannot stat ."         danny@fiction.ms.sub.org
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Naked Lunch
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:50:37 GMT

Saw Naked Lunch last night.  Didn't get it.

Is there any signficance to the "bug powder" being pyrethrum?  Don't
think so.  Is there any significance to the aliens being refered to
as "mugwumps" (mugwumps being the term for Republicans who voted for
Cleveland in 1884, and subsequently any political independent)?
Maybe.  I've read "Metamorphosis" -- I think the references to it were
overly self-flattering.  But what do I know?  Anyone read the book?
Have a clue to share?  Did Burroughs really shoot his wife?
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mencken
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:43:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

jamesp@cs.uwa.oz.au (James Pinakis) writes:
: 
: Given that LSD is very hard to manufacture, what type of people manufacture
: it?  Are they people with degrees in chemistry, or people who learned the
: process from someone else?  Are they graduate students in chemistry who
: sneak into the labs late at night?  Is the equipment so specialised that
: it's only found in well equipped laboratories or is it possible to do it
: at home?  Are there many different processes for doing this, and if so,
: what are the advantages of one over the other (in terms of the effect of
: the final product, no details of the chemical impurities are necessary)?

The problem with getting an answer to that (I'd love it too) is that verrry
few people know the chemists at the top of the distribution chain and they
aren't very likely to be here to tell us.  I know, lets take a poll. If
everyone who manufactures LSD would please send me a personal profile
I'll summarize the responses here.  Please include a SASE.  :-)

Bob
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From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch (Joan Vollmer)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:28:45 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Bt9rG2.4EA@well.sf.ca.us> wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.214538.17052@midway.uchicago.edu> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

[I wrote the following about the film _Naked Lunch's_ historical
inaccuracy.]

>>Of course, this is fair game since WSB constantly fictionalizes
>>himself, or rather constantly has characters who superficially
>>resemble him and his consciously-constructed "bad ass" persona.
>>The movie is consistent with WSB's writing practices, as his
>>approval of the script might suggest.

>Ugh, no, the movie is not consistent with his literary style.

I stated that it was consistent with his "writing practices,"
not his "literary style."  Surely "literary style" is a poor
choice of terms when dealing with WSB's unique methods and
messages.  Furthermore, his writing has changed significantly
throughout his career.  I stand by my claim.  If the movie is
disappointing, I think it is primarily because it fails to
significantly grapple with WSB's ideas, not because it distorts
history.  

>His motives for approving the script we can't really know.  I
>think he realized that the actual content and style of his
>book was impossible to film (hard to stage homicidal
>necrophilic cannibalism) and noted that Cronenberg's made a
>gifted attempt to capture the surrealistic milieu and finally
>figured "what the fuck..."  

He also probably realized that the script wasn't an adaptation of his
book.  Despite the shared titles, the film was more a meditation
on writing oneself into one's fiction than anything else.  A very
legitimate topic when dealing w/WSB.

Still, let's hope that Gus VanSant puts more focus on WSB's ideas.

    --Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Desmanthus illinoensis
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.112108.22211@klaava.Helsinki.FI> ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen) writes:

>Thompson et al. report that the root bark of this North American perennial
>shrub contains 0.34% DMT and 0.11% N-methyltryptamine...
[Lots of good info deleted]

Aha!  Can you give me the complete citation for Thomas et al.?  I've
been looking for it.

>
>Petrus

  --Matt
    sometimes pharmacologist
From: jmctigue@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (J C. McTigue)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: White Rabbit
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:35:55 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <71439@apple.Apple.COM>, morley@Apple.COM (John Morley) writes:
>You got the lyrics wrong.  I believe that those lines actually are:
)
)  And the Red Queen's "off with her head"
)  Remember what the doorknob said,
)  Feed your head, feed your head
)
)The first line refers to the Red Queen going around and threatening to have
)everyone's (especially Alice's) head cut off.
)
)The second and third lines refer to the beginning of the story where Alice
)is trying to get through the door that the rabbit ran through, and she gets
)some helpful advice from the doorknob to feed her head (actually it tells her
)to eat some pills that are lying around).  After providing the suggested
)nourishment for her mind Alice is able to "enter" the world of the white
)rabbit and have her adventure.
)
)- John M.

I can't comment on your interpretation of the song, as I havn't had the
chance to hear it recently, but I checked Alice In Wonderland for the
section you are talking about and couldn't find anything about a doorknob.
Didn't Alice discover the "Drink Me" bottle (to make her smaller) and cake
(to make her larger) all by her self?  Were the doorknob and pills in the
Disney Film?

jmctigue@stern.nyu.edu or try jmctigue@sales.stern.nyu.edu
From: liron@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL (Liron Kapara)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LSD
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:16:48 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 2:27:10 IDT

Hello
I'm from Israel and I have some questions regarding 'Visual making drugs'
1) Is there any home chemicals that you can mix and give u visials?
2) when taking hallusinative drugs I heard you get 'Flash Backs' is it
  drug leftovers or just mind playing tricks?

Does anybody know how where one can get hallusitative drugs (Legal one
of course........ )

Any information about any hallusinative drugs will be WELCOME!

Very Very Very Curious
-liron


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From: st1el@rosie.uh.edu (Jensen, Douglas J.)
Subject: LSD and some relatives.
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Bar: None.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 07:39:00 GMT

Just a curious inquery...

Tried "shrooms" for the first time a week ago.  They were nice, but they lacked
two important things that LSD has...  

1]  "Loss of Ego Boundaries"
2]  Super-duper-zowie insight.

If these were the two MAIN effects I was after from tripping, am I best to stick
with LSD?

[hypothetically, of course.  [snicker]]

Thanx,

---Doug

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mkelly@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Michael A. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD (summary)
Organization: /local/lib/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:16:51 GMT


>   Read your post and I wondered if any information you got on LSD could be
>   given to me on the quiet. I have no wish to post a request to the network.

:)  Just don't take it personally, even though that's how it's meant....

Of course, you could just wait for someone else to ask again...:)

People basically just said that Psychedelic Chemistry is the book to have.
Someone also mentioned the Anarchist's Cookbook, but that is extracting
LSA from Hawaiian woodrose and morning glory.  It's much easier than making
LSD, though.

Anyway, the most useful response was a phone number for a catalog of books
such as the above.  It's Books By Phone, (800) 858-2665.

Mike.
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