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From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Premature termination of a game.
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:15:13 GMT
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  I think the question was if a league determines that a game will be
  'replayed' do all the original 22 players on the field at the time of
  the 'termination' have to start this replayed game.  Interesting question.
  The laws don't cover it - only when the referee can stop a match and/or
  abandon a match.  The replaying of the game is the decison of the league.
  My OPINION is that this new match is, in fact, a NEW GAME.  And the coaches
  can play whoever they want off their roster - complete with still having
  two substitutes.  Its a NEW MATCH - not a continuation of the OLD MATCH.
  Demanding the SAME players would then bring into question what about OLD
  Sent Off players - players with cautions, players with verbal warnings,
  how 'bout requiring the self-same referees/linesmen?????  We could carry
  this to the ridiculas (same field, same time of day, wait for the same 
  weather.....).  A good question nevertheless - but I think it's a brand new
  game starting from 0.



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Subject: RE: la premiere division
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:01:17 +0000







In Message-ID: <1992Aug18.114356.20037@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> neil@alpha.ma.adfa.
oz.au
(Neil Viney) writes:

>Here's a question for all the francophones on r.s.s.
>I have often wondered how the French distinguish between the
>Scottish Premier Division and First Division.  Nowadays, England
>also has both Premier and First Divisions.  Surely the French
>don't call them "la premiere division" and "la premiere division".
>What goes?

>Then again, perhaps it is not really a French problem;
>it is more or less a pretty meaningless and pretentious choice of
>names on the part of the Scottish and English.  Serves them right
>if the French neither understand nor care.

>Neil.

The Scottish League was reformed in 1975 from 1st/2nd divisions into
Premier/1st/2nd divisions in order to stimulate public interest in the game
and reverse the long term decline in attendances. The top 10 of 18 in the old 1s
t division
(i.e. the 10 premier clubs in the land) qualified for the new Premier Division.
The name seems pretty meaningful to me and not at all pretentious.

The FA Premier League exists for political and financial reasons. The top
clubs wanted more control over their affairs than was possible under the
Football League and a bigger slice of the revenue. The FA saw a chance to
gain control of the League system and settle the power struggle between them and

the Football League in their favour. The FA Premier League is a totally
seperate organisation from the Football League. Maybe "Premier League" is 
pretentious what alternative do you suggest?

If you want an example of a *really* pretentious name how about the
Central Midlands League, a minor league in England. They already had a
Premier Division and decided to add a new division ahead of that called
the Supreme Division.

James M. Ross

(j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA proposed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:50:40 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

EC33@lafibm.lafayette.edu (EC33000) writes:

>       In Mexico '86 when Italy was defending champion Argentina, Brazil
>Uruguay and Paraguay went for South America.
>       In Italy '90 when Argentina was the defending champion Colombia,
>Brazil and Uruguay went for South America.

Colombia went to Italy on a "half" spot - they had to play 2 qualifying
games against the winner of the Oceanian group, which happened to be
Israel ... Colombia won 2-0 aggregate (2-0 and 0-0) if my memory is
correct.
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From: hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: VfB Stuttgart wins German Supercup
Date: 12 Aug 1992 11:45:39 GMT
Organization: CS Department, University of Dortmund, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: zorro

The title says it all:
Hannover 96, the cup winner, lost against VfB Stuttgart, the champions
by 1:3.

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From: cd018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alvin Kienming Liau)
Subject: Where do I get tickets for 1994 WC?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:02:00 GMT


	I live on the Columbus, Ohio area. I am interested
in getting tickets to the World Cup 1994. Can someone tell
me where to go, where to call, and how much to expect to pay.

	Thanks.

alvin liau
liau_ak@max.cc.denison.edu
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From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: (rename this group?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:20:04 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Conor McMenamin) writes:
>mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>: Besides, soccer sounds better than "footer"  Think of the shit Brits would
>: take from the rest of the world if Wells hadn't stepped in (or stepped in it).
>	Doesn't football sound better than either of them though?

Yes. No argument. Soccer sounds like Women's Boxing.
 
>I don't think Britain or anyone else in the world has anyone to thank for
>'soccer', instead we should recognise the arrogance of the Americans to
>think they can steal the name of a world game to describe their insular
>'World Championship' sport, and then try to force it down our throats.
>When FIFA changes it's name to FISA, I'll watch motor racing instead of
>the world cup.

Different issue.  I didn't make any claims about football as US property.
Football is as poor a description of the American game as soccer is of
real "football".  Remember, I called US football "bloodball" in my post.
And in spite of the wisecracks I made, I was serious about an intelligent
way to share the name "football" among Americans, Australians, Canadians,
and the rest of the world:

rec.sport.football-assoc
rec.sport.football-american
rec.sport.football-australian
rec.sport.football-canadian

(This also points out that the "theft" is not US-only.>
>
>Get a league.

I'll settle for a World Cup for now, and a significant increase in tours by
national teams, even if they are vacation games. (And if we got a league, it
would probably be by stealing foreign players away, and that wouldn't help,
would it?)

Unfortunately, the closest I can come now is watching indoor "pro" soccer,
English and German league highlights on cable, and US college games likewise.
Oh yes, and being on the board for our town youth soccer association, which
has 16 U-8, 12 U-10, 4 U-12 and 4 U-14 in-town (less competitive, no standings) teams, boys U-8 U-9 U-12 U-13, and girls U-10 and U-12 travel (competitive
league) teams. We've got 500+ plus girls and boys (and their families)
involved, trying to build basic skills and a love of the game.  Many of them
had never seen real football before. We are trying to build from the ground up
rather than buying a league (however unAmerican that sounds). I blather about
this just to make the point that the game is alive and growing here.

And if we called it a football association, people would confuse it with
the town youth football teams.

Matt
By the way, I played US football as a kid, and my son would be also if the
town soccer program hadn't been around (and my daughter would be a cheer-
leader instead of a forward).
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Australia - Poland Semifinal Result
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:20:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.001405.26225@Aus.Sun.COM> peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM writes:
>
>You may well laugh at a 6-1 scoreline loss against Poland, but only the ignoran
>t, or
>those that did not see the game would do so.

Yeh! Gloria victis, I agree. :-)

>
>Australia played creative, adventurous, attacking soccer.!!! Australia took the
>match
>to Poland from the outset, and they(australia) guaranteed the match was enterta
>ining 
>to the spectators, with their open style.

It is a very corageous statement to make, that a team which loses 1:6
guarantees entertainment. But if you meant that we should thankful
to the Aussies for letting us see half a dozen of brilliants goals -
I fully agree here also. :-)

>
> If Australia, had played a cat and mouse
>game of chess, as the Polish did, only waiting for counter attacking opportunit
>ies,
>then the game would have died as a spectacle.

This you should rather post to alt.humor.funny.

Cheers!

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Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.


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From: altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer)
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report Question
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Reply-To: altizer@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:30:30 GMT

I enjoyed the match report of Dundee v Rangers - but what's a "Buddy Holly"?

(reference: "Rangers almost equalised again when a tremendous Buddy Holly from McCoist just went wide.")

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From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: Australian players to Europe.
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:32:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.065328.17761@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au> psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:
>News from a local paper today, on the arrival back in Australia of
>some of the Olyroos from the Olympic tournament, on the movement of
>many of the players to European clubs for the coming season.
>
>Some players are already playing or have signed with clubs, these are:
>
>Mark Bosnich		- Aston Villa (England)
>Ned Zelic		- Borussia Dortmund (Germany)
>Zlatko Arambasic	- Mechelen (Belgium)
>Paul Okon		- Club Brugge (Belgium)
>
>Other moves are:
>
>Tony Vidmar		- Ekeren (Belgium)
>Milan Blagojevic	- Ekeren (Belgium)
>Steve Refenes		- Olympiakos (Greece)
>Shaun Murphy		- Notts County (England)
>
>It is also rumoured that Dominic Longo and Brad Maloney are also close
>to signing contracts with European clubs.

I read in a dutch paper that a guy called Jason van Blerk (24) has signed for
a dutch team: Go Ahead Eagles, First Division, from Deventer. According
to the paper he played 13 times for Australian National team.

louis kossen

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From: narsimha@nada.ics.Hawaii.Edu (Narsimha Polkampally)
Subject: Re: Arsenal Mural (was Maidstone Utd.)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:41:32 GMT

>In <0095F459.DB89DE00@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:
>
>On a totally unrelated subject, I saw on breakfast news this morning that
>Arsenal are going to alter their mural, after complaints from many quarters
>that there are no black or ethnic minority faces shown in the crowd. There
>are probably no away fans shown either.

	That sounds rather surprising, considering the fact that Arsenal
have more black players and fans than almost any other club.

On another unrelated note, I predict that Arsenal will, like last season,
win nothing :-(. After selling Rocky for a lousy 2M, the midfield is weak
and the defence is a sieve as before, so the good work of the front line
will be neutralized. It promises to be another 'could have been' season
for the gunners :-( I pick the Gunners to finish 6th in the league and 
reach the quarters of one of the cups. Sigh. Off with GG's head.

Cheers,
-P
__
			East sterlingshire for Div 1 (someday).

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: European Cups - preliminary round
Summary: Results are presented
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:47:56 GMT

Here are results of the preliminary round of European Cups:

Champions Cup:
--------------
Valletta FC - Maccabi Tel Aviv  1:2
Olimpia Lublana (Slovenia) - Norma Tallin (Estonia)  3:0
Klaskvikar Itrottarselag - Skonto Riga (Latvia)  1:3
Shelbourne (Ireland) - Tawria Symferopol (Ukraine)  0:0

Cup Holders Cup:
----------------
Branik Maribor (Slovenia) - Hamrun Spartans  4:0
FC Vaduz (Liechtenstein) - Czernomorets Odessa (Ukraine)  0:5
Stro/msgodset Drammen (Norway) - Hapoel Petach Tikva (Israel)  0:2
Avenir Beggen - Boltfelagid 1936  1:0

I apologize for eventual spelling errors.
 (BTW, why does Israel participate in European Cups?)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: We don't own it...
Originator: moynihan_r@klingon
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:25:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

-

I recently sent out a followup to a message that complained about the 
WC'94 being held in the United States.  A short time ago, I got e-mail
from James Brock wherein he made a very good point, and showed me
where I at the very least picked some of my words unwisely.  I'd like
to clarify my statement for everyone, and try to explain why it seems
I've become the "angry American" of r.s.s. 

I said something to the effect of "It's ours and you can't have it,"
implying that I felt the United States "owned" the Cup for '94.  Of
course, we don't.  We have the honor and priviledge of being the host
country in 1994, nothing more.  My first statement was admittedly 
childish in its tone.  Unfortunately, I can't help but get angry when
I (and the rest of the US readers) must constantly be bombarded by
messages from a few unreasonable European and South American readers 
moaning about the WC being held here, and/or labeling any and all rules
changes by FIFA as "Americanizing" the game. 

To quote from my reply to James' e-mail: (i.e., my words are below)

> I'm just plain tired of having the U.S. blamed for rule changes
> and put down as a football desert that the World Cup will
> be wasted on.  Dammit, it's a -great- game, that millions
> of us in the U.S. play and love.  We're frustrated beyond
> belief that we can't see it on national TV, and that there's
> no professional league for us watch.  Why must we also quietly
> suffer elitist snobs that want to squash whatever progress we
> -do- make?                

So, to all the good readers of rec.sport.(real.football), I convey
my most heartfelt apologies for any offense my postings may have
caused.

-Bob Moynihan                 Bush/Quayle '92: Just say noe.
 moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com     Go Ipswich town!



Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Re: US Under 20's Romp in Belgium
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.120941.27946@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
   The US Under 20;s won all five of their games by an aggragate of 18-1.

   US 6 Sprintmont(France) 0
   US 2 AS Herstal(Belgium) 0
   US 3 RWD Molenbeek (Belgium) 1
   US 3 Villeneuve (France) 0
   US 4 KRC Genk (Belgium) 0

   The core of this team is the same team that came in 5th in the U17 World
   Cup last year.

   Andy
****************************************************************

I would like to know at what level these teams play.




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From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in Barcelona 92 & New Rules
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:12:10 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <Bsvs1n.4o6@apollo.hp.com> moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.130906.6572@cam-orl.co.uk> fs@cam-orl.co.uk (Ferdi Samaria) writes:
>>
>   <much debate rule changes and boring WC '90 deleted for brevity>
>>
>>I have no objections to change, it just worries me that the present tendency
>>to modify the existing rules is not a consequence of Italy 90 but of USA 94.

What the hell is wrong

If something good ( the new rule ) comes out of something bad  { USA 94 :-) }.

gallows.
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From: nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Switzerland results, round 7
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:19:19 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Switzerland , round 7 (qualification), August 19

Xamax Neuchatel            2-0 Lausanne Sports
 7.Manfreda 1-0 91.Chassot 2-0





Table
 1.FC Servette       7   4  2  1  12-5  10
 2.FC Aarau          7   3  4  0  14-8  10
 3.FC Lugano         7   3  3  1  12-8   9
 4.FC Sion           7   3  3  1  10-9   9
 5.Chiasso           7   3  2  2   8-6   8
 6.Lausanne Sports   7   2  3  2  11-8   7
 7.Young Boys        7   3  1  3  13-14  7
 8.FC Sankt Gallen   7   1  4  2   4-7   6
___________________________________________
 9.FC Bulle          7   2  2  3   9-14  6
10.Xamax Neuchatel   7   1  3  3  11-14  5
11.Grasshopper Club  7   0  4  3   8-12  4
12.FC Zuerich        7   0  3  4   4-11  3




NLB, West
Chenois              2-1 Old Boys Basel

Table
 1.Yverdon          7   5  2  0  17-5  12
 2.Basel            7   4  2  1  17-3  10
 3.Chenois          7   4  2  1  15-10 10
 4.Delemont         7   4  1  2  14-10  9
 5.Grenchen         7   4  1  2   9-9   9
 6.Etoile Carouge   7   4  0  3  13-6   8
__________________________________________
 7.Urania Geneve    7   3  1  3   9-12  7
 8.Old Boys Basel   7   2  2  3   9-12  6
 9.Fribourg         7   1  2  4   8-15  4
10.Buempliz         7   1  2  4   8-16  4
11.Chatel-St-Denis  7   0  3  4   7-14  3
12.La Chaux-de-Fonds7   0  2  5   4-18  2



Christoph Nieswand
E-mail : nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
From: jaramillo@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Spain-Poland discussion
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:24:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services


	To everybody writing about football in Spain:

	I could not see the Spain-Poland match, but I have been watching 
football in Madrid (Spain) for a long time. Maybe the referee was not
correct in this game, maybe the crowd helped a lot (I am sure they did!),
maybe the Polish players are stronger than the Spanish,...
	BUT: Please, do not say that the referee was favouring Spain, or that
everything was organized so Spain would win ANY WAY. As Spaniard, and lover of
football, I do not like to hear such things. During many years, one Spanish
team, Real Madrid, has been accused of having the help of the referees. 
I am a supporter of another Spanish team from Madrid, Atletico, and I NEVER
thought that this could be really true, although sometimes it would seem.
	Being a referee is not an easy thing, and having to decide a call
in a few seconds with all the pressure of the crowd is also difficult. So, I 
prefer to think that, in general, referees are honest, and that they make
some mistakes that everybody should understand. Or else, when a player misses
an easy goal, we will start to thing that he was playing for the other
team. Learning to lose, and also to win, is difficult, and when our team 
loses, and we think it desereved the victory, we should accept the result
instead of trying to find something / someone responsible for that.

	Watching good football is what matters for me!


	Thank you.


	Carlos
	Rutgers University
	jaramillo@cancer.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US Scheduale
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:58:30 GMT

The US National Team will play Fiorentina on August 21 and play Juventus
on August 24.  They will then come home to play in two games against
Canada before going to Saudi Arabia.

Andy

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: World Cup 94 - Qualifying Result
Reply-To: harin@iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:59:56 GMT

Latest result from European Qualifying Group 3.

Latvia	vs Lithuania
   1           2

Current standings...

*** 1994 WORLD CUP - UEFA QUALIFYING GROUP 3 ***
	
		P W D L  F  A Pts
Lithuania	3 1 1 1  4  4  3
Spain		1 1 0 0  3  0  2
Ireland		1 1 0 0  2  0  2
Albania		3 1 0 2  1  5  2
N. Ireland	1 0 1 0  2  2  1
Denmark		0 0 0 0  0  0  0
Latvia		1 0 0 1  1  2  0


Next few qualifying games...

16 Aug	 Europe Group 1		Estonia vs Switzerland
16 Aug	 Concacaf Carribean	Trinidad vs Jamaica (2nd Leg) (1st leg - Jamaica 2-1)
16 Aug	 Concacaf Central	Panama vs Costa Rica (1st Leg)


Cheers,
	Harin
	~~~~~
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From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Cups - preliminary round
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:15:46 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Aug20.084756.23214@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>Here are results of the preliminary round of European Cups:
>
>Champions Cup:
>--------------

(--------------- a lot of stuff deleted --------------------------------)

>I apologize for eventual spelling errors.
> (BTW, why does Israel participate in European Cups?)
>

B/c (they claim) the Arabs will not play with them.
I wonder if Sudan(or Somalia ) will have been allowed to play in the european 
cup if the Africans decided not to play with them  ?????  :-)





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