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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:46:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ads.1992Aug29.224649.5107
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser) wrote: 
->...  I have thought that it would be interesting to  listen to 
->the pilot<>ground communications using a scanner, but what in the process
->would cause danger?  Do recievers emit em radiation that will interfere with
->the safe operation of the aircraft?  

yes.

there's an easier way to do this: many pilots will simply put the
pilot<>ground comms on one of the unused inflight audio channels.  ask
for it by name.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Do travel agents receive commissions on consolidator tix?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:44:36 GMT

citrin@soglio.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) wrote: 
->I'm looking for a reasonably priced ticket to Hong Kong.  Is it
->reasonable for me to go to my regular travel agent and ask her to
->find me a consolidator fare, or am I asking her to do a lot of work
->for me at no profit to herself?

travel agents get commissions on consolidator tickets ... when they
deal in them (not every travel agent does).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: CFD: rec.travel.air.forsale
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.181443.14768@adobe.com> usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) writes:
>I don't understand the recent complaints about people offering tickets
>and awards for sale in this newsgroup. Seems to me that both buyers
>and sellers would benefit, and no one is forcing me to read these
>articles if I'm not interested.
>
>What's the big deal? My news reader allows me to scan a listing
>of subject lines and read just what interests me. Is it that
>some people think it's too much trouble to type a number? 
>
>People should have their right to sell stuff abridged so that
>others can just hit the "next" key all the time?

No one's suggesting (well, maybe one person) that you shouldn't
post resale ticket articles, only that they're awfully tiresome
in rec.travel.air, which was created for the discussion of
*air travel*, not as a forsale group.

I don't know about you, but I read lots of other groups as well,
and it's a nuisance wading through all those poorly-formatted
forsale articles.  I'd be happy if they'd just use a keyword
in the header, as is common practice in other newsgroups.
That's not too much to ask.

Charleen

--
Did you hear the one about the Japanese atheist?
He doesn't believe in Godzilla.
                               -- Wil Shriner
From: kumar@polk.cs.unc.edu (Subodh Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Problem about Connecting flight !!
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:56:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

I am buying a SwissAir tkt from NewYork. But since I have to fly from
Raleigh, I have bought an American airline tkt between Raleigh and NewYork -
Though there is a connecting time at JFK, of 2 hours while going, unforeseen
delays do happen. (Both the tickets are nonrefundable !) Where do I stand in
such a case ? Have you had any such experience ? Will I be rerouted ? Who will
take the responsibility in such a case - AA or SwissAir ?

Thanks for any Info,
Subodh
-- 
	You can either win or lose - there is no third option.
Subodh Kumar		Department of Computer Science 
			University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
			NC 27599 	Tel: (919) 962-1943
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Antitrust Rebate Program Options/Issues
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:57:21 GMT

On 25 Aug 92 17:45:30 GMT, bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com (Bill Glazier) said:
> 1)  Does this mean I should get $4,000 in 10% discount coupons (i.e.
> 10% of my air travel purchases)?

How the discount coupons are distributed is very complicated; it is
described in the agreement sent by the program.  Basically, how many
coupons you get will be determined by how many people file claims and,
to some extent, the amount of the claims.  (The agreement also points
out that only travel between specific cities on specific airlines 
qualifies).

> 2)  The agreement says if I am a 'natural person', I can designate
> another 'natural person' to receive the certificates. What is a 'natural
> person'?  Is a corporation or university a 'natural person'?  If I 
> choose to transfer my certificates to another natural person, can I
> choose to transfer a portion of my certificates, or transfer the
> certificates to multiple natural persons? 

I'm no lawyer, but common sense tells me that a natural person is
exactly that: a natural person, a human being, a homo sapien, etc.

> I am looking for innovative ways to use these certificates (for
> personal gain of course).  I can think of a few:
> [deleted]

As I read the agreement, you can only designate a single natural person
as the recipient of ALL your certificates.  I think that means you
can't split them up and sell them to different people or sell them to
companies.

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From: ej@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sang-cheul.kong)
Subject: Incompetent travel agent
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:45:37 GMT

I made a reservation with CO, taking advantage of their fall sale.
Then I called a local travel agency, Rupa Travel, to ticket.  I gave
them the reservation number, OnePass acct number, seating preference,
flight info, the fare, everything they would ever need.  They said
the ticket will be mailed out that day or the next.  I'd been
patiently waiting for the ticket to arrive, but got suspicious after
3 business days.  When I called today, I found out the dreaded truth;
they didn't issue the ticket.  All they had to do was issue the ****
ticket;  It's their sole purpose in life;  What is it that they do
besides that as a travel agency?  It's less than 14 days before
the first leg of the trip, so the fare would be much higher if I
were to ticket now thru normal means.  My travel plans are not
flexible, so I can't just delay the trip by a week or something.
So, what recourses do I have?  Who can I complain to?

	Brian Kong
	sck@lcuxlm.att.com
	att!lcuxlm!sck
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Subject: Christmas travel
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:51:15 GMT


When is (in your opinion) the optimum time to buy Christmas air
tickets?  Is it ever too early?

I'm prepared for the airlines to make up some revenue over 
Christmas.  Current quotes for Boston-SF are about $420.  Sigh.
Add in transportation to the airport, fees for someone to  take
care of the cats, and gifts, and you get a big number.  C'est
la vie!  (Or perhaps "C'est la guerre! is more appropriate.)

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: lawarree@milton.u.washington.edu (Jacques Lawarree)
Subject: Re: travel agency commission or not?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:37:41 GMT






Mac Travel in Chjcago will refund you 7% minus $10 if you book your ticket yourself

1-800-333-3335


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rbook@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert Aaron Book)
Subject: Re: MCI-AA frequent flyer, CITIBANK-AA freqeunt flyer
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:03:15 GMT

In article <87228@netnews.upenn.edu>, sajja@central.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev Sajja) writes:
|> I have MCI at home and am registered with american airlines to 
|> get mileage for every long distance dollar spent. Now , my 
|> question is if I get an American airlines Citibank VISA/MC
|> can i accumulate miles on the same account ( that is my MCI
|> AAdvantage number) for every dollar spent on my credit card??
|> 
|> -Rajeev

Yes.  This is precisely what I do.  In fact, it gets better than
that.  You can ask MCI to automatically charge each month's phone
bill to your credit card, and if the credit card is that same
CitiBank/Aadvantage card, you will get an extra mile for your phone
calls!

(Actually, it works out to slightly more.  You get MCI miles (5 mile per
dollar) only for the phone calls, but you get Citibank miles for the total
charge, which includes tax as well.)

--Robert Book
  rbook@rice.edu
  a.k.a. The person accounting hope didn't exist when marketing
  came up with the 'frequent flier program.'
From: pkap@panix.com (Peter Kapner)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:26:20 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <fraserdt.715112387@unixg.ubc.ca> fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser) writes:
>On numerous occasions, I have read in the little safety pamphlets in the
>seat back that it was dangerous for passengers to operate radios during
>the fligt.  I have thought that it would be interesting to  listen to 
>the pilot<>ground communications using a scanner, but what in the process
>would cause danger?  Do recievers emit em radiation that will interfere with
>the safe operation of the aircraft?  

Apparantly there are some radios, perhaps older ones, which emit
enough radiation to interfere with sensitive navigation equipment in
the cockpit.  I think that the number of radios which actually do this
is quite small but the airlines will take absolutely no chances.  Tape
players and CD players are different apparantly because the airlines
don't restrict them.  Portable computers have also been banned by many
airlines though there are some which allow their use.

I've been on several flights where air traffic control was available
on one of the channels at my seat.  It has been very inconsistent
(i.e. one American DC-10 had it on the way to California and the DC-10
on the way back didn't), and on one particular flight I remember Delta
used the same channel for the movie and ATC wasn't restored until we
were about to land.

--Peter K.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:50:28 GMT

In article <BtIr9n.56J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.220753.17430@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) wrote: 
>>->2.	All Korean Airline flights would become unwelcome in Taiwanese
>>
>>this is, at best, a symbolic gesture.  it's not like it would take
>>more than five seconds for a korean airlines to fly around the
>>republic of china's airspace.
>>
>
>Yes, Korean Airline can still profit by flying around Taiwan without landing
>and asking her passengers to use parachute.  :))
>
>
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>-- 
>Jason Lei				|     
>Botany and Plant Pathology		|
>Purdue University			|	No fancy slogan found yet.
>W. Lafayette, IN, USA			|

Dear Korean Airlines Pilots,

  Fly carefully, do not be shot down by anybody's missile AGAIN.

R.O.C. Air Force
(Just for entertainment)

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: owens@jonquil.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: Re: Northwest (was Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, The Univ of Chicago
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:27:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.165415.6837@newshost.lanl.gov> davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes:

> When it comes to AIRLINES being able to drug-screen:  Not only should
> they, it should be mandatory.  Remember, we are talking about a business
> that sends huge pieces of machinery >35,000 feet into the air, full
> of hapless, helpless bystanders.  Airlines have a responsibility to
> make D*MN sure that EVERYTHING is in as near perfect shape as possible.
>

As a passenger, what I care about is the pilot's ability to pilot the
plane.  If the pilot is impaired,  I don't care whether it's because
of recreational drug use, insufficient rest,  physical illness, or
emotional stress.  The effect on me is the same.  If you think there
is a problem with incapacitated pilots flying our commercial airliners
(and I don't, btw), then why don't you stop wasting time fighting
legal and political battles over drug testing, and get down to the
business of impairment testing.

It's easy enough to build equipment that quickly and easily tests
eye-hand coordination, visual perception, and split-second judgement
--- the typical video game is probably not a bad first-order
approximation, but we could do better.  The airlines could say, in
effect: 

  "You must score 250,000 points or above on Galaxy Blasters 
   each time before you get into the cockpit.  If you flunk, take a
   sick day.  Start flunking regularly and we want you to either fix
   the problem, *whatever it is,*  or quit working for the airline."

This hits directly at issue we care about, focuses on performance and
quality control without the political/legal/moral overtones of the
"drug war", and, to boot, detects a number of impairment conditions
that a drug screen will miss.  It's also faster, cheaper, more
dignified, and catches problems immediately rather than monthly,
quarterly, after-an-accident, or whenever the airline does drug
testing.


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Subject: Re: seating prefs
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:34:10 GMT

I prefer aisle seats so that I can get up and stretch a few times
during the flight. Nothing worse than sitting in one of those little
seats for hours on end. You can also expand your sitting area into the
aisle. Your legs/feet can extend out and you can lean into the aisle.
My shoulders seem to be much wider than the seats, so hanging my
shoulder and arm in the aisle helps a lot. Watch out for the carts
though!

If you want your meal first and/or want to spend time talking to the
stews, sit at the back of the plane. Stews hang out there increasing
your chance to chat with them. Also...those who can't stand their seats
hang out at the back.

If you have to make a connection, get as far forward as possible. My
experence is that 80% of the flights are late on the routes I travel
(Denver to everywhere within two - three hours).  I calculate in around
2 hours extra travel time on every trip just in case. This was quite a
pain when I was taking a round trip every week.

Those who travel with a friend/spouse/etc...that is you want two seats,
please, please, please book and aisle and a window. Center seats are
the least desirable and are always easy to trade for a window or aisle
if you need to. Centers are the last to be filled. So, if you take the
two outsides, the center will be filled only if needed. If, however,
you take the window and center, they will put a person who requests
aisles on the aisle...filling the row, when it isn't necessary...I have
moved many times to a window from an aisle to get out of a full row
because two people wanted to sit next to each other.

Marke
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Marke Clinger					Ultra Network Technologies
Western Region Systems Engineer			1942 Broadway Suite 213
marke@ultra.com					Boulder, CO 80302
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: bruceb@microsoft.com (Bruce Burger)
Subject: Re: Incompetent travel agent
Date: 01 Sep 92 21:32:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na


First talk to the manager of the travel agency -- they can 
probably convince Continental to give you the lower fare, IF 
they want to.  They may not even have to ask Continental -- 
there are some tricks that travel agencies can pull in some 
cases to fake the ticketing date (though not the reservation 
date), although it's probably illegal.  Or, if the agency really 
admits it erred and is really ethical, it can eat the cost difference
itself (unlikely unless you're a great customer).

If that fails (or maybe in parallel), I suggest calling 
Continental's customer service folks and explaining the 
situation.  Whenever there is a sale, this sort of thing happens 
to a small percentage of folks, and I bet Continental has a way 
of correcting the error if they believe you.  The sooner you 
call, the more likely they are to believe you.  It will also 
help if the travel agent is willing to swear that they made a 
mistake.

Finally, if all else fails you want to play hardball, you could 
try buying the ticket from the travel agency at the current 
price and then either suing them or withholding payment from the 
credit card company.  There are two problems with this approach.  
One, you probably don't technically have the right to withhold 
payment on the current ticket since the dispute is over the 
ticket you wanted them to get last week, not the one you'll buy 
now.  Two, I'm not sure if the payment will be credited to the 
travel agent or the airline; your main quarrel is with the 
travel agent.  However, you could claim that since the travel 
agent is an authorized agent of the airline, the airline is 
responsible for their actions.  However, sometimes your credit 
card issuer will go to bat on your behalf.  

Bruce Burger
Microsoft, Seattle
From: hafer@apple.com (Rob Hafer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airlines antitrust suit
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:58:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer

> 	I received the claim forms, like many others probably, for the
> 	antitrust suit. What I can't figure out is what criteria did
> 	they choose to mail out these claim forms? Should my wife receive
> 	a seperate claim form? If yes then how do I get a claim form for
> 	her? I assume that I cannot claim those flights which were 
> 	reimbursed by my company.

Yes, each person needs their own form (and they need to file by 2?/93)

If you want a copy of the form for someone else, send a request to the
mailing address on the form you received (sorry, don't have it handy)...its
the same one I used to mail my request to (it took about 4 weeks to get my
own copies).

Note that the 'compensation' is a collection of coupons that can only be
used to pay for up to 10% of a new ticket. This means that $100 in coupons
would have to be spread over at least $1000 worth of tickets. Requesting
the NW coupons might be a good idea since they can be used for up to 20% of
a ticket).

The coupons also have to be redeemed at an airline ticket office (not
through travel agent or over the phone). 

...Rob
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cali@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (cali )
Subject: Money Back Guarantee when Purchasing Tickets from Individuals
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:53:33 GMT


When I sold my tickets, I told the buyers that if they were bumped by the
airline because of the mismatch of the names, I wouldn't compensate them
for anything more than the price they paid for the tickets.

In other words, I gave them the money back guarantee.  After all, I was
gambling with some otherwise worthless tickets, what could I lose (the US
Air wouldn't bother to sue me, as I was told)?

Fortunately, the airline people didn't seem to mind, and the buyers were
not evil enough to just hold the tickets till the expiration date and then
ask for the refund. :-)

-- cai
From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: for sale ads
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:59:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Please, don't move the for sale ads again.  I fly a lot and I like skimming
rec.travel and rec.travel.air for people selling tickets before I buy one.
I already have to check both rec.travel and rec.travel.air to catch them
all.  There are always people who don't know about the .air group and post
to r.t.  If we make a third group it'll scatter it even more.  Perhaps these
messages are not useful to some people, but they are generally the only reason
I read this group.

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Product Manager	        _ _   _ _ _ _     2629 Terminal Blvd.
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From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Problem about Connecting flight !!
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:27:02 GMT
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <2SEP199217334706@vx.cis.umn.edu> ae02022 writes:
>In article <14959@borg.cs.unc.edu>, kumar@polk.cs.unc.edu (Subodh Kumar) writes...
>>I am buying a SwissAir tkt from NewYork. But since I have to fly from
>>Raleigh, I have bought an American airline tkt between Raleigh and NewYork -
>>Though there is a connecting time at JFK, of 2 hours while going, unforeseen
>>delays do happen. (Both the tickets are nonrefundable !) Where do I stand in
>>such a case ? Have you had any such experience ? Will I be rerouted ? Who will
>>take the responsibility in such a case - AA or SwissAir ?
>
>I guess nobody will be liable if you buy the tickets separately. Why didn't
>you buy the ticket from Raleigh directly. Swissair would habe been
>certainly able to give you a connecting flight through a partner airline.
>
>Anyways, normally 2 hrs should be enough. I guess 45 mins are required
>normally.
>

While the above is technically correct, most airlines have a "flat tire
rule" which means that they will put you on the next flight (standby).
If you had purchased the tickets all at once, you would be PROTECTED
on the next flight.


David Andersen
UC Irvine
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 30 Aug 1992 22:47:30 CDT
From: Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: British Airways Theme

Does anyone know the name or the origin of the music that British
Airways plays in its T.V. commerical advertisements?  I think it
is a captivating melody and I'd like to get a copy of it.
Thanks.
From: ahgrabow@apgea.army.mil (Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow>)
Newsgroups: re.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: INFO on Tahiti wanted
Keywords: Tahiti, South Pacific, Fiji
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:31:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: APG-Edgewood


Hi everyone out there,

I'm in the lucky position of being able to spend about 4 Weeks
in the South Pacific in spring next year.

Does anybody know about acceptable airfares, accomodations
(neither Hilton-level nor Backpack-level, please), things
to do and son on? There's no language barrier, since I speak french
myself.

Also adresses from which to obtain Infos would be aprecciated.

Thanks in Advance

Alexander
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.forsale
From: jin@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Tao Jin; ENEE (GRAD))
Subject: Round trip ticket: BWI(Baltimore,Md)<==>S.F. or Houston
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:45:38 GMT

 
One round-trip ticket:

	leaving BWI (Baltimore, MD) on 9/2
		arrive at Houston or San Fransisco;
	leaving San Fransisco or Houston on 9/8
		arrive at BWI. 

Ask for $190. nego. Call 410-525-0697.









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