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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Is it flame Axl day already?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:16:56 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>Be that as it may... I am ready to take your heat just make it worth responding
>too... Keep the intelligence level of the group above, "Axl is an asshole, and
>doesn't give a damn about anything but money.". It may be true... But show me
>how... I am truly interested to hear some WORTHWHILE arguments on this group...

  A worthwhile argument; ok, I'll give it a shot :-)

  I listen to GNR and I'd like to point some things out:

  1) GNR lyrics have been known to be racist, sexist, vulgar, etc.

  2) people who listen to GNR don't necessarily hold some/all of these views.

  3) there are a ton of other groups out there which have offensive lyrics
     as well.

  Axl has said some off-the-cuff racist/sexist remarks outside of his
songs during concerts.   He also admits to having problems on stage as well.  
I enjoy the music, even though I don't agree with some of his views.  Axl has 
presented his point-of-view in his latest Rolling Stone interview.  It
has already been pointed out that Slash is half black, and Axl's personal
body guard is black.  Does that mean he is not a racist?  I don't know.
I don't prescribe the the ignorant response that some people are quick to
deliver- "I'm not racist; some of my best friends are black."

  But it would be unfair to single out GNR and not other bands.  Analyze
other songs and then see if you so vehemently oppose those artists as well.

   People have pointed out that Public Enemy have overt racist lyrics, and
other militant rap groups have targeted Jewish people as well.  It's not
only rap groups and GNR however.

  The Rolling Stones album "Some Girls" has racist lyrics as well; I 
believe that the song "Far Away Eyes" has the following line: "Black
girls just want to get fucked all day ".  I could start singling out
more artists but I would be here until the end of the week.  The selective
criticism against GNR is hyprocritical; if you are going to fight
racism, don't just selectively pick out artists which rub you the wrong
way.  This includes other artists besides musicians- actors, comedians,
etc.   

   Unfortunately, people cannot always just listen to the music, and 
Axl's actions both on stage and off have made him an easy target for
criticism.  I wish he wouldn't do such asinine things, like pitch a
fit during a concert or when his limo gets pulled over, but he does.
I enjoy their music and I will continue to do so.  I still play their
latest release constantly- it is truly a work of art.

  Ok, I'm off my soapbox now. :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mpenny@cs.ulowell.edu (Captain Morgan)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:04:06 GMT

just testing
From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Sabbath/Frost covers
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:43:13 GMT
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

>"War Pigs" by Sacred Reich on "Surf Nicaragua" (I think)
>"Supernaut" by 1000 Homo DJs on their self-title
>"Into the Void" by Soundgarden on the "Rusty Cage" promo CD
>"Into the Void" by Exhorder on "The Law"
>"After Forever" by Deliverance on "What a Joke"
>"Paranoid" by Steel Pole Bath Tub on ???
>"Hand of Doom"(I think) by Reverand on ???
>"Black Sabbath Medly" by Candlemass on "Ancient Dreams"
>also I believe Overkill has one on a promo single, but I don't know the song

Well there's "Symptom of the Universe" by Deathwish on _Demon Preacher_

And how about "Iron Man" by Sir Mix-a-Lot ?   ;-) :-(  :-O



Chris Georgoulias
cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu


"call a priest, call a vicker,  I believe in god"
                       -Rick   The Young Ones
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Guitar tab site
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:06:57 GMT


	Hey, I don't know how many guitarists are on this group, but I just
started an anonymous ftp site for guitar tablature. the location is

	ftp.nevada.edu

	got to /pub then to /guitar, the to the artist of your choice. There
isn't much metal on it right now, so if any body out there has any metal tab,
mail it to me. Put the artist, and the name of the song in the subject , and
the song in the body. Also be sure to put your e-mail address on it so that
if peole have questions that I can't awnser, they'll have somebody else to 
ask.


	
From:     		jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: h309@ellis.uchicago.edu (Unknown Author)
Subject: Re: Slaughter
Reply-To: h309@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Mindcrime
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:51:26 GMT

In article <00959300.DCE58480@EA.USL.EDU> blumbergkm@EA.USL.EDU (KEN) writes:
>Anyone like Slaughter?   New one due out this tuesday.
>Ive listened to it a few times and it sounds good...Dont know
>enuff yet for a review though...yer thoughts?

  I'm on the floor laughing to death.... How can ANYONE actually wait for
a Slaughter album to come out.... how can you say that Slaughter "sounds
good"... 
  Hell, opinions are like asses. Everybody has one.....


-- 
Blah, Blah .....
From: stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (needs changing)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: MEGADETH RULZ!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:49:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45662
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr14.164748.2946@vax.muskingum.edu> ti_hunt@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.155627.8116@seas.gwu.edu>, maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>> Love live Emperor Suaron!
>> 
>> lADA,
>> 
>> Maple Syrup
>
>Your a sap!

	"Your a sap!"  

	What the hell is that?   Creativity at its best?

	At least these guys have something creative and imaginitive to say.
	Whether or not you beleive it or not, they DO discuss
	music, not this stupid "your a sap!"

And not to sound hypocritical, Megadeth is in the studio, for anyone
interested.

Alex
stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu
From: sl7w3@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: *MENTAL FLATULENCE DURING LYRICAL URINALYSIS!*
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:19:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr13.211906.54448
Organization: Utah State University

In article <u906789.703127565@bruny>, u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
> cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Apr9.213411.54359@cc.usu.edu>, sl7w3@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>>> 	Really?  How so?  "Blood feeds the war machine..."  I think it's more
>>>> of a thought-provoking song on an album blessed with few of them.
>>>> 
>>>> <c>.
>>> --
>>> 
>>>      I don't know if I'd say that KEA really had anything to do with 
>>> thought provoking...it seems more like James trying to find something
>>> to sing to, I mean, it's not horrible, pretty good comparitively, but 
>>> I still see no real sign of extra-ordinaire mind blowing intelligence.
>>>      They are still better than what they've come up with lately
>>> though...
> 
>>	Yeah, I agree - the album as a whole isn't all that impressive.  The
>>music is inspiring, but the lyrics get pretty stupid sometimes.  I think most
>>great things start off in stupidity, though.  If Hetfield hadn't pulled his
>>head from his ass lyrically on RTL Metallica might have doomed themselves to
>>mental mediocrity.
>>	Yet, even on this paragon of mainly mindless lyrics, "No Remorse"
>>stands out as at least tickling the mind.
> 
> Who bloody cares about the lyrics! Its the music that counts!!!!!!


     We didn't say that music doesn't count, we were simply talking about
lyrics.  


'Too late to annul, so I plan her demise
 Creative Divorce - asphyxiate the bride'     Mike Fonnesbeck.
 
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll.metal:6771 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:1238
From: messick@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Tim Messick)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Body Count
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:57:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Apr15.154548.23697@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner) writes:
>
>	I think it's time we get off all these damn flame wars so I'll
>suggest a topic of discussion.  Besides - I just heard a new group 
>last night and wonder what you people think of them.
>	I was watching eMpTyV last night (talk about boredom!) and I
>saw a video by a group called Body Count.  Believe it or not, this group
>is headed up by Ice-T and is actually metal not rap!
>	Has anyone out there bought the album and is it any good?  The
>song I saw last night was 'There goes the neighborhood'.  I'm mainly
>wondering if Ice-T rocks that one song then does his (c)rap for the
>rest of the disc.

BODY COUNT is Ice-T's hardcore band....yes, you heard right.  My roommate
bought the CD a while ago.  I f you like hardcore....GET IT NOW.  If you
want some punk/metal with a kick, and a bit of THRASH attitude, meaning
just go to a show and get loose to some thrashin' punk.....check it out.

It's pretty good.  There's a couple mellow songs on it, but no rap.
Faves are "Body Count", "KKK bitch", "Cop Killer".  "There goes the 
Neighborhood" is pretty good too.

-later


--
                                                        Tim Messick 
                                                      messick@seas.ucla.edu 
..I *like* that little guitar change   
                Ty did there, that was *nice*....
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: adamkp@aix.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics)
Subject: Re: HEAVY BASS??????????
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:01:59 GMT

apolansk@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Alan M. Polansky) writes:

>In article <1992Apr2.225833.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsrla@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>>YO!
>>I'm a bass player and have noticed, among the music I've
>>listend to so far, that there really isn't much heavy bass
>>out there...that I've noticed.  I like the bass on the new
>>OZZY cd, and I was wondering if anyone out there could 
>>suggest something else.  I value all suggestions....\
>>Thanks in advance!                                 ROG!

>Motorhead has some intersting bass lines, and vocals too!

>Seriously, check out come of the early Sabbath, Geezer does an
>excellent job.


>al.  

There are a lot of good bands with prominent bass lines.  try rush, red hot
chili peppers, i think mr.big, since they have billy sheenan, one of the better
bass players around, some of the early metallica, fishbone, jane's addiction,
if/when i think of more maybe i'll post it :-)  I'm not saying all the songs
by all the groups I mentioned have great bass-lines, but most are very good.


--pete--


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From: fsmlw1@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Is it flame Axl day already?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:04:15 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

I am sure all of you all are forgetting the point... The song One in a Million
was never released... Therefore... If you bought the Disk and don't like the
damn song... Well there are a lot of buttons on a CD player... The important
ones for this case are SKIP and  STOP... Pretty simple really, you don't like
it you don't listen to it...  I am a HUGE Gun's 'N Roses fan... But to be
perfectly honest I don't listen to Lies for the One in a Million track... I
don't like the lyrics... But I do like the MUSIC on the song... The lyrics
strike me as inappropriate not racist or homophobic... the word choice was
wrong in my view... But who can say what Axl was trying to get across when he
wrote it... No I, and if anyone claims they can... I would like to know your
relationship to him... And if I am going to get flamed for this opinion that is
fine... but at least make it intelligent and back your arguments... I really
get fed up with shit like "You are fucking stupid" and "Gun's N Roses just
sucks... Duh, thats why I don't like them.". That kind of shit gets boring you
guys... I know there are a lot of people out there who agree with me but are
afraid of getting flamed by you people who refuse to look at any other side of
an issue besides your own...
Be that as it may... I am ready to take your heat just make it worth responding
too... Keep the intelligence level of the group above, "Axl is an asshole, and
doesn't give a damn about anything but money.". It may be true... But show me
how... I am truly interested to hear some WORTHWHILE arguments on this group...
From: sl7w3@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Outing
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:55:38 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


>  This is not so you can see how normal posers are
> but so you don't have to contaminate your ears lstening to music that
> 	1) Is not constantly about "important" topics
> 	2) has any females whatsoever listening to it
> 	3) talks about sex (eeeyeeeuuuwww! how gross!)


      You obviously haven't been paying attention to what we've been calling
poseurs.  First of all, it's become poser to come up with 'Important' topics
just so you look cool.  Who cares how many women listen to it - as long as
it's good.  And you have no clue on the sex issue being that MANY metal
bands write about sex and love...they just don't phrase it like..."OOOh!
baby, I need to fuck tonight!'


> So here we go with a couple posers for this time. 
> 
> 1) Slayer:
> 	Now you may say these guys have stayed true to metal and all that but
> this is not the case. I read an interview with them in last month's
> Esquire. Tom Araya's main interest at Slayer concerts seemed to be
> picking up girls since he spenmt most of his interview time reading
> letters from girls telling him how much they wanted to have sex with
> him. Also he was smoking dope and he is an obvious bigot since he got
> letters from soldiers during the Gulf War saying how they were inspired
> to kill "the fucking ragheads" after listening to his music (grrr, he
> should pull his records off the racks right now. Doesn't he know that he
> is inspiring racism?). Besides this he lived with his mother until
> recently.


     Nice fucking end comment...like that has anything fucking to do with
music, clue up you idiot.


> 	David Lombardo was with his girlfriend during the interview (which
> means he has had <gasp> sex) and he said that he almost dropped out of
> the group since the other guys were so sexist and would make all these
> dick jokes and crude remarks when his girlfriend was around.
>

     So this makes what music he write poser?...hmmm, interesting.

 
> 2) Megadeth
> 	In an article in Hit Parader the writer said that Megadeth was looking
> to expand its 90% male audience to include more women. Need I say more?

 
     Well, as long as his music stays intergrit, who cares how many women
listen to it.

 
> 4) Public Enemy
> 	(I know these guys are rap but this is too good to pass up). Chuck D in
> an interview said that the mission of a musician is to sell records. I
> thought it was to make cool records that only 10 people would buy and
> then go around talking about how real music ins't appreciated and the
> only people to sell records are worthless bands (while all the mindless
> college students, who compete to see who is the coolest and listen to
> music not because they enjoy it but to show how cool they are, nod their
> heads with joy)
 

     No fucking shit you baffoon.  But when you are already making plenty
of money and you change your music just to gain fame and be on the cover
of all the teen bop magazines, then you went poser.



'Too late to annul, so I plan her demise
 Creative Divorce - asphyxiate the bride'     Mike Fonnesbeck.
From: jn2i+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Adam Nimpfer)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: At War with Nimpfer (all read this)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:46:14 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>No, thank you very much, I'd much rather read Suaron's posts.  At least he
>has an IQ above that of minerally deficient dirt...
> 
>Tori

Dearest Victoria,
    Were you referring to me or yourself?
                                           Peace
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 17:17:20 EDT
From: <LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Real Rock and Roll
 <1992Apr15.194447.17739@seas.gwu.edu>

In article <1992Apr15.194447.17739@seas.gwu.edu>, maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple
Moriji) says:
>
>I completely agree with you, my friend.  I think we might actually win
>this Poser War!  With the creation of alt.r-n-r.hard, and the renaming
>of the metal newsgroups to alt.music.metal... we may be able to
>eliminate posers from this newsgroup forever, and imprison them in
>alt.r-n-r.hard.  Until this condition is met, my Master and I will
>continue flaming posers on ALL the rock-n-roll newsgroups.

Maple, Maple. You sound like you are on a noble quest or something.
Everyone here knows that you simply like to FLAME people and raise
a big stink on every group you are sent to take over by your master
Suaron. You don't really care what you post or who you flame, just
so it get's your little rocks off. At least tell the truth. It's
really pathetic that you cannot think for yourself....you need to
be given explicit instructions from Master Suaron. Good dog.


To everyone else on this group: Maple is a shining example that not
                                all the stupid people come from Penn
                                State.

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From: swarde@unf6.unf.edu (Rico Swarde)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Drums, etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:24:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sinkhole.1992Apr7.162433.3698
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

Maple writes:

> The best drummer in the universe is El Duce of the Mentors.  He's so
> talented.  I mean, he can sing and play at the same time!

NOT!  The SUPREME GOD of drumming is Neil Peart of Rush.  And so what if a guy
can sing and drum at the same time?  Geddy Lee (also from Rush) can play bass,
keyboard, footpedals, and sing all at the same time.

 
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: ehanson@opus.acslab.umbc.edu (Mr. Erik Hanson; ARTS-SCI (UGRAD))
Subject: Re: New Suicidal     Black Sabbath
Followup-To: alt.who.gives.a.flying.$#!T
Summary: flame flame flame 
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County, Mathematics Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:41:46 GMT

Flame mode on (with half a ;-)

In article <1992Apr9.183912.3551@uwm.edu> leranth@miller.cs.uwm.edu ( ULYSSES ) writes:
>    ()  Why the HELL is  Black_Sabbath  still around?
>	[for the last couple of years they've SUCKED!
>	 (except for  PARANOID  they've SUCKED!!!!!!!)

I'm trying to figure out what you've just said. Are you saying that for 
the last couple of years, the only good Black Sabbath album was Paranoid? 
Or are you saying that except for Paranoid, Black Sabbath sucks, and in 
the past couple of years, Black Sabbath sucks?

If the former, I'll have you know that Paranoid was released around 1970, 
and it's been more than a few years since 1970. And albums like "Black 
Sabbath", "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath", "Sabotage", and "Vol. 4" are among my 
favorite albums, and they don't suck nearly as much as any Suicidal 
Tendencies albums do.

If the latter, you're being confusedly repetitious. (Almost to the point 
of making people think you're a bonehead.)


>    ()  When is the 'new'  Suicidal  cd on sale????

Who cares?


>-- 
>leranth@miller.cs.uwm.edu       |   
>leranth@point.cs.uwm.edu        |  The unexamined life is not worth living.
>                                |  
>                                |               -- Plato --


Before anyone replies to my posting, let me say one thing: Don't bother.
I always wonder why people post articles expressing some opinion that
nobody really cares about. They should know that they are going to get
flamed. Normally, I stay out of these things, but I'm getting tired of
seeing these, so I thought I'd reply to "ULYSSES"s post with a big
flame.

Of course, it probably would have been better to just write the above
paragraph and not the flame that I wrote above, but I'm tired of
people ragging on Sabbath.

Followups to alt.who.gives.a.flying.$#!T


Seeya!
Erk

______________________________________________________________________________
Erik Hanson   University o' Maryland Baltimore County   ehanson@umbc3.umbc.edu
From: swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Thought for the day...
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:39:39 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr14.171202@sees.bangor.ac.uk> mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Paul Mather) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.141315.15870@acsu.buffalo.edu>, swann@acsu.buffalo.edu (Stephen Swann) writes:
>[ > How about we quit this before it becomes like that casacade from hell ]
>
>> that's been plaguing the other newsgroups?  ;-)
>hats seen ploughing up mother's froot-loops
  Now it's showing up, Mather's fruit-loops

>Too late!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul.
-- 
Steve Swann                 |    Speak to me in many voices; make
swann@acsu.buffalo.edu      |      them all sound like one...  -BOC