HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: weingart@inf.ethz.ch (Tobias Weingartner)
Subject: What is the proper way to lock /etc/passwd
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: passwd, group
Reply-To: weingart@inf.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH - Switzerland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:21:25 GMT

Yo, its too early in the moring (10:20pm), and I now all
off a sudden need to know what the proper way to lock
the /etc/passwd and /etc/group (if aplicable) is.

I know that vipw creates a link called ptmp, but what is
the proper way to make that link.  In general, what is
the `magic' sequence of `calls' necessage to so called
`lock' those file.

--Toby.

PS:
	Personaly, I would rather use something like moira, but...

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov (Mark Fugazzotto)
Subject: motd : HELP!!
Originator: mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov
Organization: United States Geological Survey
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:44:35 GMT

 To all you unix gurus, this is what I have. 
1 Data General server and many, many Data
General workstations.
 This is the problem. The server has the
message of the day (motd) on it. Which naturally
contains all info of any importance. Users are now
to lazy to rlogin to the server since many applications
are now able to be run on their local workstations.
So they complain "Well I didn't know this or that"
since they no longer view the motd on a regular basis.
How can I get the one motd on the server, everytime it's 
updated, to all the workstations??? 
 To ftp it six dozen times is not practical. is there
a script or a C program that can be executed after every
update???
 Any help that can be offered will most definately be
appreciated!!!  
 Please e-mail mfugazzo@resdgs1.er.usgs.gov or post here.

  Again thanks in advance!!!!

                                 Mark...
From: dan@cedb.dpcsys.org (Dan Busarow)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Unix naming conventions from the dark times
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:12:36 GMT
Organization: DPC Systems, Monrovia, CA

In article <1992Aug27.110730.16828@fwi.uva.nl>, stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram) writes:
> 
> But what about names like 'var'?
> My first (wild) guess would be an association with 'variable', right?
> 
> Surely, some elderly fellow-unix-user must remember the origins for
> those names from the early days...
                       ^^^^^
The early days of Sys V R4 ? :)

Dan


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram)
Subject: Unix naming conventions from the dark times
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:07:30 GMT


Hi there,


When wandering through a Unix environment, I sometimes find myself
pondering on those cryptic names one gets across.

Some of them are obvious, others aren't.
I think I know the origin of these 'cryptogrammes':

bin	-	binaries
src	-	source
lib	-	library
dev	-	device
tmp	-	temporary
tty	-	teletype 
(nowadays, term for terminal would make more sense, right?)
termcap	-	terminal capabilities

But what about names like 'var'?
My first (wild) guess would be an association with 'variable', right?
And sbin (system binaries?)
Or 'etc' (etcetera?)

Surely, some elderly fellow-unix-user must remember the origins for
those names from the early days...

	Bram Stolk
	stolk@fwi.uva.nl
From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: logout message
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:38:08 GMT
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON


shah@fnsony.fnal.gov (Hemant Shah) writes:

>In article <3504@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu>, hongman@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Guo Hongman) writes:
>|> 
>|>  Can anyone tell how to display some message when I logout?
>
>Create ".logout" file in your home directory. It will be executed when you
>logout.

This will only work with a certain shell (and its derivatives), which
shall remain nameless.

For the Bourne shell and its derivatives, use the ``trap'' command.

-- 
Murray
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How do i find out the address of the addtional ehternet card
Date: 25 Aug 1992 18:35:00 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <BtJrzr.8J8@acsu.buffalo.edu> chen-m@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mingteh Michael Chen) writes:
>     Is there a way to find out the ethernet address of an additional
>ethernet card on my sun 4/60 on line?

Sun sets the addresses of all its ethernet interfaces to that of the first
one.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.ultrix
From: j1h9453@eagle.tamu.edu (Joel Andrew Huddleston)
Subject: Re: Multitudinous Problems With NU-TPU and ^Z
Reply-To: zod@zeus.tamu.edu
Organization: Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.052005.12837@chpc.utexas.edu>, aswx266@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug10.225444.17475@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|> >Some background: we are running Ultrix 4.2 on a DECstation 5000/133.
|> >                                                 ... VMS users to an
|> >unfamiliar Unix environment, we wish to provide them with TPU ...
|> >   ... NU-TPU which has worked pretty well so far.
|> 
|> I am surprised you say this.  My experience with it is rather bad.  The 
|> ...
|> >
|> >The problem is that TPU uses ^Z for the key to enter extended
|> >commands....
|> 
|> I experienced the same problem but gave up on it--actually never tried 
|> to investigate.
|> 
|> [other stuff deleted]
[other stuff deleted]

DECTPU is now on the CSLG program.  You both look like you are from
educational institutions, so I hope you are in the CSLG.  I installed it
just the other day and must tell you that I have nothing but good things
to say about it.

It solves the ^Z issue by changing the ^Z VMS convention to the ^D Ultrix
convention.  ^Z still acts as you expect in Ultrix, that is, it suspends
the process but ^D takes you to command mode or you can simply use the
<DO> key on a vt terminal.  Also included are the MOTIF (tm) and XUI (tm)
GUIs with menus etc.  Really a nice package.  Certainly the best text
editor I have used on a UNIX machine in terms of ease of use and learning
curves.  I could even use the old familiar "set keypad edt" to get keypad
on my DECstation to "do the right things."  I haven't gotten in to custom
section files yet, but that is the next step and it looks fairly trivial.

All in all, this is a great package.  As soon as I can retrain my fingers
not to think in vi, this will be my default editor.

-- 
Joel Huddleston  eka zod@tamu.edu
Not responsible...  Not reliable... Your mileage may... Caveat E...
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: A question on ls
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:43:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>>>>What command would I type to display all files that do not have a .Z 
>>>>extension ?
>
>How about:
>find ./ -print | egrep -v "Z" 

Yup, the first sure exclude files with a ".Z" extension.

In fact, it'll exclude files with a "Z" anywhere in the name, even if
they *don't* have a ".Z" extension.

>find ./ -print | egrep -v "z"

Doesn't exclude files with a ".Z" extension, unless they also have a
lower-case "z" in the name (or unless the "egrep" on your system is
horribly broken).
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: jose@kbsw1 (Jose Sousa 806 9999)
Subject: Re: Broken term? sag?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:21:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jose@kbsw2.UUCP (Jose Sousa 806 9999)
Organization: Kentek Information Systems

In article <1992Aug28.140829.4440@isc-br.isc-br.com> ricks@odin.isc-br.com (Rick Schaeffer 99) writes:
>In article <BtoK0J.86J@agora.rain.com> chuff@agora.rain.com (Chris Hufnagel) writes:
>>In article <23061@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> johnl@SDFSERV.hac.com (John Lee) writes:
>>>
>>>I don't think "ksh" and I'm positive that "csh" can't handle command-line
>>>editing in this fashion (using cursor keys/escape combinations.)  The
>>>
>
>I dunno about csh, but ksh *does* do command line editing.  You have to
>do "set -o emacs" in your .profile (or "set -o vi" 

Ksh uses 'ed' by default.  You can use 'set -o ...' to set the editor ksh uses.
Another way is to set the environment variable EDITOR to your favorite editor.
Thus in your .profile do EDITOR=vi or EDITOR=emacs and export it.  Ksh will
the use the specified editor. 
( You may need to set EDITOR=/<path_to_editor>/vi )
All this stuff is documented in the ksh man entry.

Jose A. Sousa
Kentek Information Systems     jose@kentek.com
From: logan@gimlet.herndon.va.us (Jim Logan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Broken term? sag?
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:39:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: (None)

In article <1992Aug31.222806.8131@ckctpa.UUCP> crash%ckctpa@tct.com
(Frank "Crash" Edwards) writes:
# Errr, it should be pointed out that KSH does not "use" the editor.
# KSH has built-in emulations for EMACS and VI _only_.  Don't expect to
# be able to use wordstunt^H^H^Har keystrokes, or any other arbitrary editor.

Under certain conditions it does.  In the "vi" command-mode you
can press 'v' and it will invoke the real thing.  I think 'v' is
mapped to "fc -e".  

			-Jim
-- 
Jim Logan
logan@gimlet.herndon.va.us     ...There's no place like $HOME.
uunet!gimlet!logan
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: wild@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Markus Wild)
Subject: Re: The Domain Name Service (DNS)?
Keywords: AmigaUNIX, DNS
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:38:19 GMT

In article <abeech.715323098@kraken> abeech@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Adrian Beech) writes:
>Has anyone managed to get the DNS hostname resolver to work?  I've

The 2.03 in.named would just coredump on my system (I've heard it
doesn't on other...), as a help you might start named with debugging
enabled, I've used -d 99 and got a nice output in /var/tmp, look for
errors there, and try to fix them. With normal SVR4 programs, you'll also
have to make sure that your libsocket.so is linked to libsockdns.so, so
that they use the DNS, and not the /etc/hosts file.

-Markus


-- 
Markus M. Wild    -  wild@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch  |  wild@amiga.physik.unizh.ch 
Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving
from where you left them to where you can't find them.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: jimbo@mhs.oz.au (James Davidson)
Subject: Amiga SCSI tape (Caliper CP-150SAEH)
Organization: Message Handling Systems
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 00:00:29 GMT


I am looking for info on the jumper settings of the
Caliper CP-150SAEH tape drive.  This is the tape drive
that was shipped with our Amiga 3000 UX.  The jumpers
are located inside the casing with must be removed to
get at them.

I want to be able to use this drive on our other computers
but need to be able to set SCSI id's to avoid clashes. 
Any other info on the tape drive would be much appreciated,
especially from anyone who has tried to use it for this purpose
before.

ADVthanksANCE,

Jimbo.

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From: mk@mkrara.rara.sub.org (Michael P. Krauss)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: 2.1 install problems (still)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mk@mkrara.rara.sub.org
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X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:18:07 CEST
Organization: This is my private box !

In article <1992Aug26.130330.14781@ans.net> sangster@news.ans.net (Paul Sangster) writes:
> 
> I was wondering if anyone else has done an install with a similar 
> architecture.  I have a Wangtek 5150ES tape drive (in an external case)
> and have tried installing over the commodore partitioned UX-D drive
> (Quantum 200M).  My system also has a Maxtor 213S which also doesn't
> work as the target of the install.

Sounds as if I know that problem... :-(

> So, has anyone successfully installed Amix using the 5150ES?  If so
> was it on the UX-D Quantum drive?

OK, I havn't installed my Unix (still 2.03, where is 2.1 in europe ???),
yet.
Maby you want to ask me again next week. But I had similar problems with my
tapedrive (the same Wangtek) when I tried to do some backup work on my
system.

To make a long story short: I changed the WD-SCSI controller chip to a AMD
chip with the same number (AMD 33C93 A, if memory serves right).
Now my system works an everything seems fine. I copied my whoe root-FS to
the tape yesterday and everything went fine.

It seems, as if there are problems with the Unix-SCSI-driver and the chip.

I mentioned this to C= Germany some month ago, but I didn't get any feedback
on this by now.

BTW, it makes no diffrence, wether you use the WD-chip with "proto" or
without. They both don't work. I have tested this. Only the AMD-chip is OK.

I don't know the reason for that behaviour (anyone to shed some light into
that ?), but it works for me and this is the main issue.

> Thanx,

> Paul "All of this money and time and still no 2.1" Sangster

Ciao
   Michael "all of this time and nervs, but finaly it works" Krauss ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: janc@amix.commodore.com (Jan Carlson)
Subject: Re: Building the kernel with GCC v2.2.2?
Organization: Amiga UNIX Software Development
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:14:22 GMT

In article <abeech.714787516@kraken> abeech@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Adrian Beech) writes:
>I posted this question a few days back and got no response.  I'll asked it 
>just once more...
>
>	Has anyone managed to compile the kernel using GCC
>	version 2.2.2?
>
>I can get the thing to compile without any problems.  The thing is though
>that when I come to make a test floppy I get a "unbound __sym" message from
>the elf2brel programme.  Also when I install the newly compiled kernel in
>the boot partition I get a GURU when cold/warm booting.
>
>Anyone got any comments?

PatchDisk1-2a fixes an incompatibility between GCC 2.x and the kernel
boot code source for AmigaUNIX version 2.1.

Get PatchDisk1-2a from Paul Van Reed in marketing at Commodore in West 
Chester, PA.

>
>
>-- 
>Adrian V. Beech                              E-MAIL: A.Beech@ext.gu.edu.au


Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: digdon@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mike Digdon)
Subject: Re: wanted info on unix for amiga
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:20:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.211345.1542@nic.umass.edu> elf@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Wanderer) writes:
>*****************************************************************************
>*****************************************************************************
>             Please respond via e-mail to: elf@titan.ucc.umass.edu
>*****************************************************************************
>*****************************************************************************
>
>
>I need to know how to install unix on an amiga.
>
>1) how much hard drive space does it require.
>2) what are the benefits over using the standard amidos (v2.04)
>3) is it based on the mach kernal?
>4) what kind of performance can I get expect of it?
>5) how much ram do I *need* ?
>6) how much ram is recomended?
>7) how compatable is it?
>

Heck, just post the answers.. I would also like to know the answers to
these questions..

-- 
	     Mike Digdon - Vice Prez DSCSS - Dalhousie University
		     digdon@ug.cs.dal.ca  -- Halifax, NS
		 - Real programmers never work nine to five -
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: janc@amix.commodore.com (Jan Carlson)
Subject: Re: Max-125 interface adaptor
Organization: Amiga UNIX Software Development
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:09:06 GMT

In article <BtMsIo.Myo@agora.rain.com> chuff@agora.rain.com (Chris Hufnagel) writes:
>Has anyone had any experience with the Max-125 adaptor from Palomax and
>Amix?  I'm curious to how well it functions under 2.1

It functions with certain PC serial cards.  See the README in
/usr/sys/amiga/alien/contrib/mx after installing the Kernel
Configuration Package.  There are revisions to those files on
PatchDisk1-2a. 

>
>-- 
>Chris Hufnagel <chuff@agora.rain.com>| "They robbed from the rich, and gave to
>                                     | the... crimanally insane!"
>                                     |           --Stimpy
>                                     |           (The Adventures of Robin Hoek)
From: ford@yoda.uucp (Mike "Ford" Ditto)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: 2.1 kernel bug fix???
Summary: That's not a kernel bug
Keywords: X Window System memory hog
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:32:37 GMT
Organization: Omnicron Data Systems

In article <1992Aug17.032927.12012@news.columbia.edu> wyk1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Won Y Kim) writes:
>Problem is, the kernel bug stated in the addendum for 2.1
>(where the swap space gradually dissolves away until there is no more..)
>is really apparent now.

The kernel bug mentioned in the 2.1 addendum is not what you are seeing
-- that bug has the symptom that programs will not be able to allocate
memory (address space, actually) even though there is plenty of swap
space left.  If you are running out of swap space (as shown by swap -s)
it is because something really is using up memory, not because of the
documented "EAGAIN bug".
					-=] Ford [=-

"Well, he didn't know what to do, so	(In Real Life:  Mike Ditto)
he decided to look at the government,	ford@yoda.uucp
to see what they did, and scale it	uunet!cbmvax!kenobi!ford
down and run his life that way." -- Laurie Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: abeech@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Adrian Beech)
Subject: Building the kernel with GCC v2.2.2?
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:05:16 GMT

I posted this question a few days back and got no response.  I'll asked it 
just once more...

	Has anyone managed to compile the kernel using GCC
	version 2.2.2?

I can get the thing to compile without any problems.  The thing is though
that when I come to make a test floppy I get a "unbound __sym" message from
the elf2brel programme.  Also when I install the newly compiled kernel in
the boot partition I get a GURU when cold/warm booting.

Anyone got any comments?


-- 
Adrian V. Beech                              E-MAIL: A.Beech@ext.gu.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: chuff@agora.rain.com (Chris Hufnagel)
Subject: /dev/ser setup help needed.
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:46:38 GMT

Hello all.  I just set up a modem (Supra v.32/14.4) on /dev/ser.  

I changed the /etc/saf/serial/_pmtab file to read:

ser:u:root:reserved:reserved:reserved::/dev/term/ser:bhr:0:/usr/bin/login:150:19200M:ldterm,ttcompat:ser login\: ::#

And I started the serial port by issuing the command 'pmadm -e -p serial -s ser'

Anyways, I can login to another unix via cu and the modem displays a connect
of 14.4k v.32bis.  Except that I only see text coming at me at 2400 baud.

Am I missing something? Can cu display text faster than 2400? Or is it limited
somehow?
 
Also any hints on how to get the terminal set up correctly would be
appreciated... Using vi through cu is screwing up the terminal big time.

Thanks again for any info!

chuff@agora.rain.com
Chris Hufnagel

-- 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: roachp@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: Data Bases?
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:12:49 GMT

Are there any Data Base programs out there for the Amiga Unix? In praticular I
was wondering if SIR can work on A3000ux?
Peter
UnderGround Research Labs
Atomic Energy Canada Ltd
Manitoba
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: wild@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Markus Wild)
Subject: Re: 2.1 install problems (still)
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:44:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.130330.14781@ans.net> sangster@news.ans.net (Paul Sangster) writes:
>Unfortunately, I have still been unable to install 2.1 on my 3000UX-D
>machine.  As I mentioned in previous posts, I get a "a3091: 0x49
>0x78EAD48" error after about 5 minutes of installing the amiga unix
>essential components.  Several folks have said this is a SCSI drive
>error, but this still leaves my with Amix (after all the $$$).
>
>I was wondering if anyone else has done an install with a similar 
>architecture.  I have a Wangtek 5150ES tape drive (in an external case)
>and have tried installing over the commodore partitioned UX-D drive
>(Quantum 200M).  My system also has a Maxtor 213S which also doesn't
>work as the target of the install.

But you didn't enable sync-scsi with SCSIPrefs on the amigados side,
didn't you?

-Markus

-- 
Markus M. Wild    -  wild@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch  |  wild@amiga.physik.unizh.ch 
Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving
from where you left them to where you can't find them.
From: slmt9@cc.usu.edu (Joshua Dinerstein)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: HELP!! Is there a LoadSeg command or an Overlay under Unix?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:34:57 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	Hi All,

	Is there a LoadSeg type of command under Unix? Or even and overlay
manager?

	Any information at all would be great!

	Thanks
	Joshua

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        - Some Guy on some comody show
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Hey C=, Why not Unix on CD-ROM
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:01:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug31.090606.3380@dxcern.cern.ch> sibilia@dxcern.cern.ch (Riccardo Sibilia) writes:
>Hello folks!
>
>I was just wondering why Commodore is not releassing his Unix 
>port on CD-ROM, since the drive is easily available and cheap
>and they do anyway write CD-ROMs for the CDTV. It would be
>much easier to boot from a CD-ROM drive and then install the Unix 
>on the HD, or just have the root dir. and the swap there and the
>whole system on the CD. Sure it would not be as fast as having the
>system on the HD, but it would save some hundreds of megabytes.
>
>So who finds it would be a good idea, what whould be the inconvenients?
>
>(If I remeber Sun is actualy distributing much of his software
>on CDROM and several other vendors do the same)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rick

That'd be a great idea if ya knew right now that Unix would never change or
get any extra features.  Unix has too many external features to be put on
CD-ROM.  Maybe when they come out with read/write CD-ROMS--- :)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga