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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:20:33 EST
From:         Herb <UPDATE@NAC.NETNORTH.CA>
Subject:      Univ of Prince Edward Island
Comments: To: Netnorth directors <netdir-l@Nac.NetNorth.CA>
Comments: cc: Bob Chambers <bob@gpu.utcs>, Glenn <glenn@gpu.utcs>,
          Dave Cairns <cairns@upei.ca>

Hi, the University of Prince Edward Island (UPEI) will be leaving
 the Netnorth tables with this month's update.  If you have any
 question re, Univ. of PEI, please contact Dave Cairns,
 cairns@upei.ca   .
Herb
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:43:55 EST
From:         Larry Snodgrass <SNODGRAS@BITNIC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: INTERBIT and related..
Comments: To: Mike Gettes <gettes@PRINCETON.EDU>,
          Bitnet-Internet Gateway Discussion List <INTERBIT@BITNIC.BITNET>,
          earn-nog@frmop11.BITNET
              16 Dec 1992 14:55:08 -0500 from <gettes@PRINCETON.EDU>

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:55:08 -0500 you said:
>On Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:45:52 -0500 valdis@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu said:
>> 'tell listserv at bitnic sub interbit'  gets me
>>
>> '* Sorry, list INTERBIT is closed.'
>>
>> I think some more coordination is needed to ensure that those people
>> who may wish to run INTERBIT gateways are able to get on the list where
>> discussion of said gateways will be.
>>
>> /Valdis
>
>I seem to remember a while ago that the INTERBIT list was supposed
>to have been made public. I strongly recommend that it be made a
>public list as soon as possible. I apologise for not checking this
>before posting the papers, but I thought this was the case.
>
>/mrg

I've made the INTERBIT list open.

Larry
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:47:43 EST
From:         Jim Cocks <JACOCK01@ULKYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: OMNET
Comments: cc: OPRNAD@SAUPM00.BITNET

"Iyad A.M. Al-Bukhari" <OPRNAD@SAUPM00.BITNET> inquires:

>one of our researchers asked me to seek information on how to access
>OMNET.

 To contact an OMNET subscriber (for the first time) write to one of
 the following three addresses, which appear to be synonymous:

  /S=OMNET.SERVICE/O=OMNET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com
  omnet.service@omnet.nasa.gov
  service@service1.omnet.com

 Provide as much as is known about the person you are trying to contact.
 I.E. name, location, etc.  OMNET will notify their subscriber that you
 wish to correspond and advise as to how to write to you.

 -- Jim Cocks  Univ. of Louisville  <JACOCK01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:11:31 EST
From:         "Steven P. Roder" <TKSSTEVE@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: INTERBIT and related..
              16 Dec 1992 14:45:52 EST from <VALDIS@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:45:52 EST Valdis Kletnieks said:
>'tell listserv at bitnic sub interbit'  gets me
>
>'* Sorry, list INTERBIT is closed.'
>
>I think some more coordination is needed to ensure that those people
>who may wish to run INTERBIT gateways are able to get on the list where
>discussion of said gateways will be.
>
I second Valdis' comments above.


Steve Roder
(tkssteve@ubvm.bitnet | tkssteve@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu | (716)645-3564
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:51:45 -0500
From:         gettes@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Interbit proposals
Comments: cc: earn-nog@frmop11.BITNET

Given that Larry Snodgrass has just recently made the INTERBIT list
public and that I have already posted the two papers to the list
then I suggest that those who are interested in reading the papers
retrieve them from LISTSERV@PUCC (pucc.Princeton.EDU) as follows:

Via interactive message to LISTSERV@PUCC:
GET BRFC0004 TEXT
GET BRFC0005 TEXT

Via e-mail to LISTSERV@PUCC in the body of mail include:
GET BRFC0004 TEXT
GET BRFC0005 TEXT

If you have problems retreiving the file, let me know.

/mrg
From: HANK@VM.TAU.AC.IL (Hank Nussbacher)
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Subject: New tag for DOMAIN NAMES
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:19:52 GMT
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To summerize:
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New tag in DOMAIN NAMES as of 9301:

:mformat. - Automatically extracted from BITEARN NODES, serversN tag.
If the value is null, or PU, no mformat tag will be generated.  Any
other value, will cause an :mformat tag to be generated. The :mformat
tag will appear at the end of the :nick line, after the :served
tag, if one exists.

Examples:

:nick.JOINER.COM :mailer.MAILER@JOINER  BSMTP  3 :served.YES :mformat.ND
:nick..SE        :mailer.MAILER@SEARN   BSMTP  3  :mformat.ND PU

No manual updates will be accepted to the :mformat tag.  Users wishing
to update their :mformat tag, should update their :serversN tag
in BITEARN NODES.  DOMAIN NAMES will from now on be distributed
after BITEARN NODES is updated so as to collect the latest changes
to the :serversN tag.
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Hank Nussbacher

P.S.  If you wish to review the history of this change or wish to make
comments, please use the domain-l list.
From: amyers@ACS.BU.EDU (Anne Myers)
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Subject: Authority question
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:06:50 GMT
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I have a question for those using authority control.  We are new
to it and don't quite know how to approach this:

LC has two authority records for some headings (such as Dead Sea
Scrolls).  One is a Name heading, with full x-refs, and the other
is a very brief Subject heading, with a reference to the fuller
name record.  We already have the name heading in our file but
need to have a heading in the subject file.

Which heading do we use?  The official LC subject authority,
without x-refs, or the name authority, with x-refs?  They have
two different numbers (n79071139 and sh85036041).

Any and all suggestions are welcome!

Anne

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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:48:17 -0600
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From:         ANGELINA JOSEPH <9725JOSEPHA@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: In library use problem

In the grocery store the upc codes for the same items are the same.
7UP will get the same upc code, so if somebody is buying 10 bottles
the person at the check out need to scan one bottel and multiply by
10, where as in barcodes for books, each barcode is different even
though they may be representing the same kind of materials - copies
of the same title
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:16:00 LCL
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From:         BALLARD <BALLARD.FRANKLIN@PANTHER.ADELPHI.EDU>
Subject:      France review file situation explained

   I just heard from Betsy Graham at Innovative who cleared up
the French situation to my perfect satisfaction.  It seems that
when the HAS statement begins with an A, it picks up the
invisible character in the Subfield A.  In other words, AFR was
found as |AFr(ance).  If I made the search Subject H(AS) Afri, I
would not have picked up any of those records.  Ms. Graham
pointed out that it would still pick up anything that started
with Friend or Fried at the beginning of the subject.

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| Terry Ballard      |    ballard@panther.adelphi.edu           |
| Systems Librarian  |    or ballard@auvax1.adelphi.edu         |
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From: BALLARD.FRANKLIN@PANTHER.ADELPHI.EDU (BALLARD)
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Subject: Re: Review Files -Reply
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:21:57 GMT
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   Linda Bills asked for review list oddities, so here is my
favorite.  Occasionally I make a list of new books in the African
American collection.  Since there is no single call number for
this area, I use search parameters based mainly on subject.  One
of them was - SUBJECT H(as) AFR to include every form of African
or Afro.  When I looked at the results, I would keep finding
books that were in no way connected to this - usually books on
French literature.  It turns out that the AFR search does not
just search for the letters in that exact order. It will bring up
anything with those three letters in the same word - i.e. France.
Now I know that.

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| Systems Librarian  |    or ballard@auvax1.adelphi.edu         |
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:28:15 -0800
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From:         LAWSYSTEMS@UPS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Printing through Windows 3.1 with INNOPAC

Thank you for your response. I hear what you're saying about running a DOS
application through Windows and expecting it to print OK. The thing is, we
are directly networked with our Main campus so there's no modem involved.
I know in Procomm there's a way to do a direct hook-up, but I'm not familar
enough with it yet. I would use Windows Terminal program but it doesn't
support VT100 which is what we need.
   I'll have to look into the CrossTalk for Windows. Thanks for your reply.
I hope I can find something that works.

Gary Pinnell
Systems Operations Specialist
Univeristy of Puget Sound School of Law
Tacoma, WA 98402
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:54:34 -0500
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From:         Anne Myers <amyers@ACS.BU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Anne Myers' authority Q

Steve -

Thanks for your comments.  I've been collecting quite a bunch of
replies, which is a Good Thing, because I expect the cataloging
folks from the main library to be the ones to give me trouble.
Oh, by the way, the Dead Sea Scrolls example didn't come from
the Law Library (what a surprise) - it's from our Theology Library.

I'll post something to the list after I see what the consensus is
on how to deal with this.

Anne

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:34:43 +1200
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From:         "John R. Likins, Colby College Library,
              Waterville ME 04901 USA" <jrlikins@COLBY.EDU>
Subject:      Permuted Subject Headings

Dear INNOPAC-ers & AUTOCAT-ers,
   How are Innopac libraries that have permuted/rotated subject headings
dealing with LC's new policy on subject headings for Russia/Soviet Union
["Divide only through the current juridictional name, e.g. SERFDOM--RUSSIA
(FEDERATION)--SIBERIA" Subject Cataloging Manual H1023 (Aug 92), p.1]?
2   Russia Federation --> See Related Subjects  ..........    2 entries
3   Russia Federation 1237 1917 --> See RUSSIA  ..........    1 entry
4   Russia Federation 1917 1991 --> See SOVIET UNION  ....    1 entry
5   Russia Federation Economic Conditions 1991  ..........    1 entry
6   Russia Federation Economic Policy 1991  ..............    1 entry
        /////////////////////////////////////////
88  Russia Federation Serfdom Siberia  ...................    1 entry
   It would be a whole lot simpler, it seems to me, to use the subject
heading "Russia" for all material about Russia OR the former Soviet
Union. Or is this too simple?  (Remember ca. 1899-1981 LC used
"Russia" in just this way.)
   What are other libraries doing?
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From:         8KOGDEN@JMLS.EDU
Subject:      RE: Review Files

> Date:          Thu, 10 Dec 1992 16:12:07 CST
> Reply-to:      III Online Public Access Catalog Discussion List
>                <INNOPAC%MAINE.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
> From:          Mike Levy <levy@LIB.UCSF.EDU>
> Subject:       RE: Review Files
> X-To:          innopac@maine.bitnet
> To:            Multiple recipients of list INNOPAC <INNOPAC%MAINE.BitNet@pucc.
 PRINCETON.EDU>

> Has anyone else had reason to question the accuracy of review files in the
> PAC, and especially, in the VACQ?????  Have you noticed that the system
> fails to pick up records which are appropriately coded for the review file's
> boolean search?  We are operating with a separate VACQ and PAC system.
> Paul J. Wakeford
> Coordinator, Resources Management
> (415) 476 8230
> UCSF Library
The only problems I have encountered is if trying to combine too
many steps at once.  For example, we needed to list all records
coded for loose-leafs, periodicals or serials that were received
after Sept. 1, 1992.  We searched : Format = f or s or p and
Rdate > August 31, 1992 and we ended up with every serial record in
the Vacq regardless of date received.  Innovative told us to search
format = f and rdate > August 31, 1992 or Format = s and rdate >
August 31, 1992 or Format = p and rdate > August 31, 1992.  We got
the proper response this way.  The codes were the same, but the
method searched was different.  These are the only type of problems
we have had with our review files (we also operate with both systems)










Kym Ogden                                       8kogden@jmls.edu
Assistant Director of Technical Services
John Marshall Law School Library
315 S. Plymouth Ct.
Chicago, IL  60604                              312/987-2361
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:58:38 EST
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From:         abartlet@ALLEG.EDU

        I have a question about searching the III OPAC and uniform
titles.  In our database both the title(245) and uniform title(240)
fields have an INNOPAC tag of "t".  When searching by author, the
OPAC defaults to the uniform title.  Unfortunately, some uniform
titles are sufficiently vague as to prevent some patrons from
identifying the book.  We are experimenting with cross references.
Are there other useful solutions out there?

Alan Bartlett
Lawrence Lee Pelletier Library
Allegheny College
Internet address: abartlet@alleg.edu
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Subject: OPAC Enhancements
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:22:55 GMT
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I've received a couple of OPAC enhancement requests that can be done now
with a phone call to Innovative.  I just wanted to alert everyone that
these are possible:

--Allow ability to limit by B-code 1 as well as B-code 2.

  We just did this at RIT and Vassar College also just did this by
  contacting Innovative.

--Add brief explanations of subject and keyword on main menu.

  Tri-College changed the letters, description, choice and order
  of their main menu by submitting the changes to III.  We have also
  contact III re this and been told it can be done by just submitting
  the changes we want.

Thanks.

Shirley Bower
Rochester Institute of Technology
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:19:02 CDT
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From:         "_Doug DeLong, Illinois State University" <AXVISDG@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Electronic ordering

 Recently there have been two messages regarding electronic ordering.  We have
 used for several years, and find it quite satisfactory.  Eric Carpenter of
 Oberlin asked 1:  Does it tranfer effectively:  Answer Yes, although each
 vendor has to work out the receipt details.  We are using with only two
 vendors currently, added each one at separate times; had some difficulty
 with each at the beginning but all bugs are gone now.  2. Does it save time
 and 3 Does it save labor--emphatically yes. 4. How do vendors like it--from
 talking informally vendors are satisfied.  I'm not sure it saves them much
 or any time, but they feel they have to have to be competitive. We have not
 dealt with a vendor-supplied system so no comment from here on that question.
 I'll answer more specific questions if asked.

 Douglas A. DeLong, Acquisitions Librarian
 Milner Library, Illinois State University, Normal, IL  61761
 Tel: (309)438-3450______Bitnet:  AXVISDG@UICVMC.BITNET
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From:         Joe Wynne <jjw2w@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Review Files -Reply

Concerning Terry Ballard's message that a HAS search will bring up the search
string in any order -- I thought the HAS option was a straight string search,
inclusive and not case sensitive.  Something else must be going on.
Joe Wynne
University of Virginia Law Library
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From:         "John R. Likins, Colby College Library,
              Waterville ME 04901 USA" <jrlikins@COLBY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Permuted Subject Headings

>> I fear the idea of using "Russia" for all material about what is now
>> Russia and used to be the Soviet Union would not, in the long run,
>> make things simpler.  They really aren't the same geographically.
>> And we could once again run into such absurd subject headings as
>> "Soviet Union--Court and courtiers" which always bothered me.  Here
>> at Mount Holyoke we are following LC, including using Kievan Rus for
>> the very early period, for direct and indirect practice.  We haven't
>> yet dealt with putting in all necessary cross-references (or explaining
>> why one says "Moscow (Russia)--History" but "Riots--Russia (Federation--
>> Moscow"). Perhaps, most patrons won't notice the discrepancy.
>As a student of the Russian language, Russian history, folklore, etc.
>(sounds like an obsession, doesn't it?) I applaud this posting.  There
>is nothing simple about any of this ...
Dear INNOPAC-ers & AUTOCAT-ers,
          I pretty much agree with LC's decision on subject
        headings for Russia, Soviet Union, etc, [now], but wanted
        to stimulate some discussion. For INNOPAC sites using per-
        muted subject headings they'll still be some weird stuff
        though, e.g. split Russia/Russia (Federation) files.
          One way I've begun to grapple with the changes is to
        work from an INNOPAC list for reviewing & changing (case-
        by-case, alas). Search strategy--
                TITLE HAS "soviet" AND SUBJECT HAS "russia"
                                 OR
                SUBJECT HAS "soviet" AND SUBJECT HAS "russia"
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