HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: How to Pronounce 'MODEM'
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:11:46 GMT

In article <BruwBn.A13@apollo.hp.com> holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R. Holbrook) writes:
>
>I worked for one of the largest datacomm manufacurers in the world,
>Racal Milgo (earlier Milgo Electronics and later Racal Datacom) at one
>time, and was assured by people there that it was pronounced [long 'o']
>[short 'e'].  Why?  Because, sonny, all you have to do is look around
>and you'll see we got mo' o' dem den we got anyt'in' else...
>
Reminds me of the story about the Southern Woman who had all those children
named Eenie, Meenie, Miny, and Edgar (Edgar?) (Yes, Edgar! She didn't want
no mo')

cjl
From: mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS reviews.
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:30:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>You know, I've seen a lot of BBS lists out there that give the name, the phone
>number, the line settings, and *maybe* a word or two of the subject matter,
>flavor, or what have you.  But I have *never* seen a competent list out there
>which actually discusses the board at all, or reviews it, or critiques it, or
>competently lists anything about it.
>
>I am willing to compile such a catalog...

Well, theoretically it sounds like a good idea (if I understand what you're
intending to do), but in all practicality, to list half of the BBSs in the
United States alone, just the names and numbers, would probably take several
gigabytes of space.

There is a directory out there that I've seen that is somewhat what you're
talking about. It only lists MUDs (multi-user role-playing games on Internet
sites usually), but it describes them all in a paragraph. It only has about
100 listed, and it takes up several kilobytes.

One suggestion I have is to work out a questionnaire type of file, which
has questions for all the info you want to compile, then post messages on
here asking to have one or two people from every are code to help you --
what they do is this: you give them a copy of this questionnaire file, 
and they fill it out for all the BBSs in their area code. They send them
back to you and you put it all together in one big list, sorted alphabet-
ically in area codes, then sorted alphabetically by city or something (or
area code if you want, it doesn't matter so long as it's sorted somehow).
You then make this big list a crunched file (zip, lharc, pak, zoo, etc)
available to everyone in the world (i.e., upload it to SDSs on every net
you can get to so that they will distribute it throughout their nets).

Presto, everyone can download your humongous BBS list to see your nifty
descriptions about all the BBSs across the land.

Of course, I could be interpreting your message all wrong...and you have
no intention of doing anything I just spent 10 minutes writing... :)
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Irritating BNU FOSSIL / Telegard display conflict
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:16:09 GMT
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505

pauls@bigheavywood.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:

>When using BNU release 5 with Telegard 2.7 on my true blue AT (with  
>monochrome graphics) I get blinky crap on the screen, and the fossil  
>driver message *always* pops up and tries to draw itself over the Telegard  
>WFC menu.

>I'm running it as BNU.SYS, with the /F+ and /M- flags to do fast ANSI and  
>(supposedly) suppress the stupid message, but the message just doesn't get  
>suppressed.  Everything seems to function, but it's hideous and you can't  
>read the bottom of the WFC menu.

BNU Release 5?  The release version is BNU 1.70.  Subsequent beta
releases had an 'opening screen' that could not be supressed with
-M.  If you aren't using BNU 1.70, I'd suggest getting it.  There
are bugs in most of the beta versions (which is a natural part
of the software's evolution).

-- 
-- 
halcyon.com - fee-based public-access Internet connections; email to
info@remote.halcyon.com, or call +1 206 426 9298 (live and Memorex)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: Computing Across America
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.132504.17064@qiclab.scn.rain.com>, leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:
> laurelh@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Laurel Hellerstein) writes:
> 
>>Today Phil Donahue featured a man buy he name of Stephen Roberts who
>>travels across the US on a bicycle that is totally connected  to
>>the rest of the world via various computers.  He spoke at length
>>about his activity on Internet and how he is never lonely, keeps
>>in touch with the world etc. by his on-board computers.
> 
> 
> I find it rather amusing that you *automatically* assumed he was on the
> Internet. We aren't the only nationwide network. And if you are travelling
> unless you are lucky about arranging things in advance, I'd say the
> commercial networks are a better bet! (gotta be cheaper than long 
> distance back to your home machine!)
> 

Gee. I find it rather amusing that you *automatically* assumed he was NOT
on the Internet. Since he specifically said that he was on the Internet, and
also spent some time on GENIE. C$Serve is NOT the 'worlds greatest nationwide
network' and Everybody's not on it....

Obviously you didn't see the show...

J.R.


Xref: sparky comp.bbs.misc:314 alt.folklore.computers:11094
From: hobbit@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:50:41 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

For whatever difference actual use makes, I say 'siss-op', 'moe-dem', 
and 'gif' (hard g. i can't even think of any other way to indicate
that word should be pronounced with a hard g, other than how it's 
spelt).

What I'm curious about, is how do you folks pronounce 'GNU'?  
'Nu' is proper (for the animal, anyway) but i've never heard anything 
but 'ge-nu' used for the software.

    c.r.

--
Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the 
weirdness of the universe!	-- Spaceman Spiff
From: kilgore@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Stan Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Questions from a Greenie.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:56:14 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

by355@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael P. Otto) writes:

> Or you could use my DoorMaster utility, which will allow you to create
> exit files for 50+ different BBS packages <grin>.  Using the /parms mode
> of DM, you can pass all the necessary % codes in the extern file and
> DM will take it from there.  
>  

     *Very good* utility if you are needing to run doors of various
     formats.  It should be availble on SIMTEL (and appropriate 
     mirrors) look for DM_56.ZIP which is the latest version I have
     seen.    

     I would also recomend using Fenner's MAKEDOOR utility for creating
     DORINFO1.DEF files since it handles local logins and term settings
     in a reasonable manner.   If you need other formats just convert
     them using DoorMaster.  


     Kilgore



--
kilgore@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Stan Hall)
The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK -- +1 405 325 9607
From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle Betas
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:11:06 GMT
Organization: Micro-Medic  - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access


I have made the Waffle betas available for download on my system.

They are available to first time callers and are located in the same
directory you would find them in on Darkside.


               (408) 279-5240  -  9600 baud v.32 / v.32bis




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Micro-Medic                                         voice (408)281-8434
474 Blossom Hill Road                public access usenet (408)279-5240
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From: Ralph Sims <ralphs@remote.halcyon.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Bug with Incoming Calls.
Keywords: dos waffle 165 beta 9
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:07:01 PDT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> Do I dare mention that I believe that Waffle's handling of uu.drops : RING
> is broken!?  My modem has echos RRING on the remote ring detection.  If
> I enable uu.drops:RING, the RRING causes Waffle to hang up!  Damn.  So,
> I can't use the stinkin' uu.drops thingy.

Try _RING and see if that does it.  I can't check it here, but I'll
offer it as a suggestion.  As a trailing character, it works as a space,
such as in NO_.

> newsreader-bbs-newsreader-etc. cascade!!!)  Perhaps, as Waffle is preparing
> to call out, it should FIRST disable auto-answer.

You could do this in the dialers file... ATS0=0...

> few rings, anyway.  I believe AT&T charges, and possibly other carriers
> also charge, for network usage if you try to let an attempted call ring
> ad nauseum...

Not AT&T.  MCI tried it once.  Also, SPRINT (and perhaps AT&T) did not
charge (at one time) for 'hang-up-on-connect' type calls.

> It seems to me that is the calling party's responsibility!  They should
> definitely set their timeout value on outbound calls sufficiently low
> (for ld calls, anyway) to avoid network usage fees.

--
  Patient:  Doctor, every time I hit my hand with a hammer, it hurts!
  Doctor:   Then stop hitting your hand with the hammer!
From: gabe@angus.mi.org (B. Gabriel Helou)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Diff between beta9 and beta10
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:34:33 GMT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

I've generate a listing of differences in the .DOC files between beta9 
and beta10 (DOS version).  It's about 17K or so.  If you want a copy, 
send the following message to mail-server@angus.mi.org:

    send dif-9-10.txt

Happy hackin' . . .

---- -- -  -    -       -          -          -              -            
Gabe Helou         | "Politicians should read science fiction, not westerns
gabe@angus.mi.org  | and detective stories."                               
Troy, MI           | -- Arthur C. Clarke                                   
---- -- -  -    -       -          -          -              -        <EOR>
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: A /dev/nul simulation in DOS Waffle.
Summary: A summary of an elegant solution.
Keywords: dos waffle 1.65 beta 9
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:57:01 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

Hi everyone:

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

>  [...] "I want to discard mail..." [...]

Bob Kirkpatrick (root@dogear.spk.wa.us) came up with a simple yet elegant 
solution for my problem:

In the 'aliases' file:
dev_nul		| post dev_nul

Next, make a usenet newsgroup called 'dev_nul' and add this line to
the USENET file:

dev_nul  /junk

That should do it. Any entry in the USENET file which has the /junk
argument on it is immediately trashed... with the message "has gone
to visit Elvis."

So, you have a bucket brigade into the trashcan... mail posts it, and
rnews junks it.

Thanks for the quick and helpful response, Bob!

----------------------------------------------------
frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle File Server
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:58:32 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <kF1goB1w165w@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US> "Lawrence T. Hardiman"
<larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US> writes:

>> just see me screwing something up and somehow somebody gets ahold of my 
>> registered version of WFS and this BirdDog coming after me for 
>> $147,800.00 smackeroos!  Lordy, would that ruin my day or WHAT?!?  :-)
>> 
>>                                 - - - Murph
>
>Poor physical and data security at your site, eh, Murph? :-)
>
>Larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US

Ah.  Obviously Larry has found a B1-certified version of DOS.  And
his home never gets burgled.  Big budget for the armed security
guards too, in case something better preparred than a burgler tries
to get in.  Lots of reinforced concrete to discourage people blasting
their way in.

Seriously:  Nobody's security is perfect.  The U.S. Government has
had spies steal highly classified documents, despite security that
makes anything Murph could install look like child's play.

Most data leaks are caused by mistakes, and nobody's perfect.

I like to think my data security is better than average, but I sure
wouldn't bet $100,000 on it being perfect.  I know my physical
securith isn't perfect---I've got windows in my apartment (!), and
even the walls are only brick and concrete.  The door's only solid
wood.  There's typically several hours a day when there's nobody
here.

Murph's right:  Nobody who could conceivably use this software has
security that justifies a potential $100,000 loss.  People with
that kind of security aren't running Waffle and mail servers.

My computer, worth less than 1/50th of that amount, I insured
against theft.  Obviously, I view my computer as potentially
"stealable", and if stolen, the software installed on it would be
in the hands of a thief.  The computer's insured for $2,000 at a
cost of $20 a year---but I bet the insurance company would want a
much higher percentage of the amount insured for that software,
since it could be stolen over the telephone lines.

Sure, the shareware cost is only $17, but the insurance on the
$100,000 risk would probably be $5,000 a year.

(Commercial plug:  If anyone in Ontario seriously needs this sort
of insurance protection, Colley, Borland and Vale Insurance Brokers
is probably capable of writting it.)

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
"Quantum Mechanics:  The dreams stuff is made of"    - Ken Burnside
From: sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zyxel Modems
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 00:50:45 PDT
Organization: Questor|Free Usenet News|Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

tps@jptcs.UUCP (Tim Sailer) writes:

=> Has anyone been able to get Waffle to work with the Zyxel v.32bis modems?

Yup... has been working fine here for several weeks, ever since I
dumped the TB2500.

If you want spec sheets, *good* prices and more, send an e-mail
message to:

     Mail-Server@questor.wimsey.bc.ca

and include in the body of the message, the following:

INFO INDEX
INFO FILINDX
HELP

--
       Steve Pershing, System Administrator, The QUESTOR Project
  Offering FREE access to Sci, Med, & AIDS news, and more.  [also UUCP]
       on a ZyXEL-1496S v.42bis, v.32bis, v.33, up to 16,800bps.
  .-------------------------------------------------------------------.
  |  POST: 1027 Davie St., Box 486, Vancouver, B.C., Canada  V6E 4L2  |
  |  Fones: (+1 604)  Data: 681-0670  FAX: 682-6160  Voice: 682-6659  |
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: waffle 'mirror' site
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:23:41 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Waffle BBS, Clive IA USA, +1 515 226 2156

Ralph Sims <ralphs@remote.halcyon.com> writes:

> I've 'mirrored' remote.halcyon.com's /public download directory
> onto halcyon.com.  The two sites now maintain the same file
> offerings, with remote.halcyon.com (remote.uucp) handling the
> archive-server requests, etc. and halcyon.com handling the
> anonymous ftp work (we're trying to get server software installed
> on halcyon to help take the load off remote).

I'm curious as to how you have implimented this 'mirror'. The idea
of having two Waffle sites, one a Mac AU/X and one a DOS PC, with
mirrored files areas is something a neighbor of mine brought up.



--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: steveh@grafex.cupertino.ca.us (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Telebit Q-Blazer help needed
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:10:21 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

I just purchased a Telebit Q-Blazer and I am having a dickens of a time
configuring it.  If anybody has one of these cute little puppies, I need
your help.  Here's my setup:

o   Waffle 1.64
o   All hosts that I poll do NOT use compression.
o   All hosts that poll me do NOT use compression.
o   I have one dial in user.  All others are hosts.
o   I am set up for email and news only.  No local groups.

I cannot get a connect when polling or when I am polled, so there
definitely is something I am doing wrong.  Which S-registers should I be
looking at, and how should I set them?

If you have a Q-Blazer working, please email me a copy of your S-register
settings.  Comments as to why you have set them that way would be most
appreciated, but not necessary.

TNX - steve
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 1.65 folder problem....
Summary: Folders are better (IMHO)
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:43:32 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Seismic Control District, San Diego, CA / Node 2

kilgore@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Stan Hall) writes:

>     Did you think that Tom Dell was doing everyone a service
>     by adding folders to the mail section? Well think again.
> 
>     My user directory is full of nice little folders with 
>     everything filed away neatly where I can never find it.

I find the folders much nicer than the single mail file.  In .64
I was saving mail into seperate files written to my user space
anyway.  With .65 I'm able to easily reply to an inactive piece of
mail (after finding it in the folder).

I periodicly sort my /user directories and also create a ascii
file of the /user/*.F file names via the scheduler and then call up the
file listing via an /external command.  This makes it relatively
painless to find an old letter.

Folders are a substantial improvement and that by itself makes
.65 worth the effort to upgrade.  Then the other improvements are
nifty also.

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
From: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle File Server
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:57:28 GMT
Reply-To: "Lawrence T. Hardiman" <larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US>
Organization: The Birdsong Company, PO Box 2031, Sunnyvale CA 94087-2031

vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes:

> murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
> 
> >Say, ummmm, has anyone taken a look at the Waffle File Server by 
> >Birdsong?  Doesn't that look a little too scary to be worth it?
> 
> nobody in their right mind would sign anything like the garbage
> that came with WFS112.zip.  
> 
> I got so pissed off when I read that stuff that I not only went and
> deleted it from the system (too bad, next month when I turn the second
> phone line on and leave the system up, I was gonna register it)
> that I deleted the .zip file too...what nerve...
> 
> Save yourself the blood pressure...try 'vms112.zip' (V-mail).
> It's every bit as powerful with respect to mail based file serving
> as WFS, and it adds incredible functionality with setting up mailing lists,
> automatic file responses to mail to a specific request, etc.
> 
> Far more powerful...at least as easy to use (I like it better),
> and the author has a clue.
> 
> -- 
>           Vince Skahan				vince@halcyon.com (here)
>     vince@atc.boeing.com (work)		    vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (home)

Let's remind all of us, Vince, that you waxed poetic about WFS at
release 0.9.4. That you advertized availability of BBSTEVIE via WFS
at your site on alt.bbs.waffle several times.

Let the world also know that you never registered your use of WFS,
nor paid the paltry registration fee either. I can imagine that you
have not bothered to reward the author of VMS112 either.

Again, to those who have registered their use of WFS, thank you.

Regards,
  larry.

--
Larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: Editors in Waffle
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:52:31 GMT

mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:

>I know there's something about editors in the FAQ-list, but I really don't
>take that seriously... (Telling me to switch to 1.65 while this release isn't
>even public yet... ! I thinks it's a very cowardly way to answer a question.
>OK, so much for critisism, this was meant for the creator of the FAQ list).

well, as the guy who wrote (almost all of) it, I might take exception to the
word cowardly...in fact I believe I do, so there.

Release 1.65 is in heavy beta use although I agree it's not out.  If you
want to mess with different local and remote editors, you are going to feel
significant pain at 1.64 and you will have that pain removed at 1.65.

There are dozens of workarounds for little gotchas that all the good people
in c.b.w. have come up with over the years.  I can't include them all or the
FAQ would be dozens of pages.

In the FAQ I posted, I invited people to provide comments, corrections,
and additions.  You've just whined. If you'd like to contribute to making it
better, kick me a copy of the solution(s) you've gotten so I can include it
in a future FAQ. If you just want to whine, please keep it to yourself.

Again, for everyone, if you have corrections, comments, additions, etc. to the
the Waffle FAQ (especially unix-related ones, since it's primarily DOS
stuff in there now), please kick it to me at my work address listed below.

Also, the next Waffle FAQ will be cross-posted to news.answers as well as
c.b.w., so you'll be able to grab it via anon-ftp from pit-manager.mit.edu
if you're on Internet.


-- 
          Vince Skahan				vince@halcyon.com (here)
    vince@atc.boeing.com (work)		    vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (home)
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle File Server
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:06:48 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

Hmm.  I'd never read the licensing rubbish for WFS, as by the time Birdsong
came up with a non-crippled version I'd already tested VMS and discovered
that it did what was needed...

I've just gone back and unpacked the WFS113.ZIP file to read the license.

Wow.

I think someone should send this to the SETI researchers at NASA... Whichever
planet birdsong.suvl.ca.us is on, it isn't this one.

Sorry, but I wouldn't sign a license like that for ANY software.  To put that
sort of license on shareware is just... bizarre.


mathew