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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: London in 12 hrs.
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:57:30 GMT
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Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <24671@castle.ed.ac.uk> erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:


>I have given this advice individually before, and those who have
>followed it have reacted favourably, so I will offer it to the world:
>walk.  Get the tube into London, and then see the place on foot. 
>Don't attempt to see indoor sights - skip the British Museum and the
>National Gallery and the inside of St Paul's and so on.  They take

>In four or five hours, you could see virtually all the major sights
>in central London, from Buckingham Palace to Tower Bridge.  If you
>have a little more time to spend, you will be able to do it without

>The tours on open-topped buses are also very good, if you prefer to
>ride. You will probably get a fairly good commentary.

From Victoria Station, there are two or three competing bus companies
offering "hop-on, hop-off" service. They run every half hour on what
is a two-hour tour. I'd say that these are the best bet for a newcomer
because you can get off and see a few sights, maybe peek inside a
cathedral or stop to eat, and still have the securty of not getting
lost. London is a hard city to orient oneself by map in a few hours!

  I think all the busses had roughly the same route and cost roughly
the same, around 8 pounds ($15 US)

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From: jaygee@tcs.com (Jeremy Giddings)
Subject: Help with hotels in Venice
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:02:32 GMT

I would like suggestions for a moderately priced (US$75-100, double with
bath) hotel in Venice.  I would also appreciate any suggestions on the
city--sights, neighborhoods, out-of-the-ordinary places/experiences.

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From: fishkin@aludra.usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Howard Johnson billing dispute -- HELP!!
Date: 21 Aug 1992 19:21:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu



I am seeking advise about how to handle a billing dispute w/HoJo's in DC.
I cancelled a reservation there, and have just received a bill for one night.
When I cancelled, they did not give me a cancellation number (I don't reserve
rooms frequently, so I didn't ask for one, as I didn't know this was standard).
I have called their Customer Service Number, and the representive said they
don't have it on file that I ever called to cancel, so I owe them the money.
I'm a grad student, so although the amount isn't much, to me it's pretty
significant.

Can anyone tell me what I can do to get this amount refunded to my credit
card?  I am planning on contacting the hotel directly on Monday as well as
notifying my credit card that I am disupiting this billing.  Is there anything
else I should be doing or anyone else I should notify?  

Please send any suggestions to fishkin@usc.edu, and thank you in advance!

Stephanie

PS:  Thanks to those of you who gave me advice re:  food and lodging in 
San Diego and Washington, DC.  They were quite helpful in keeping convention
travel costs to the bare minimum!
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Travel Bag
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

In article <1992Aug18.125921.4469@infonode.ingr.com> john@earlj.b11.ingr.COM writes:
>Well, I leave for my European vacation in six weeks and I still can't
>decide what's best to carry my stuff in.  I'll be Eurailing so I plan to
>travel light.  I've looked at the suitcase/packs like Rick Steves

I learned the hard way that the trick to packing for European train travel
is to put your stuff in several small bags rather than one big one.  This
is the way you see the natives travelling. Easier to lift onto the train
and up into the luggage racks, also you distribute the weight between your
hands.  The type bag I like the best is a nylon thingy about  12 inches
square which will expand to double its height, and which has wheels built in.
I take two of them and pull them everywhere.  The only disadvantage is that
if you expand them to full height they sometimes tip over while you're
pulling them.  Packing the heaviest stuff at the bottom will prevent this
part of the time.

Travelling light can be done, even for those of us who insist on changing
clothes every day and buying souvenirs.  But don't be stingy with socks and
underwear.  Washing them out in the hotel doesn't always work out well;
in humid climates they won't dry even in 24 hours.  I think the best way
might be to buy up enough cheap socks and underwear for the whole trip and
throw it away (to be replaced by souvenirs) as you go along.
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From: saastad@spot.Colorado.EDU (SAASTAD OLE)
Subject: Tickets for sale
Summary: Ticket for sale
Keywords: Ticket
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:44:58 GMT

Ticket from NYC, Lagaurdia to Denver CO 18 oktober, changable and
ticket from Denver CO to Seattle WA for sale separatly or together.

Best offer,

-- 
Ole W Saastad  
Dept. of Chemistry University of Oslo Norway.
Now at University of Colorado at Boulder / CIRES ,  Atmospheric Chemistry.
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From: esiever@world.std.com (ellen c siever)
Subject: Places to stay in Newfoundland?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:21:39 GMT

Can anyone recommend a place to stay (a bed and breakfast would be
nice) within about a half hour's drive from the Argentia ferry in
Newfoundland?

Thanks,
Ellen
From: nwilson@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (Nancy Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Health spa on Maui (November)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:44:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Please don't laugh, but my husband wants to send me to a fat farm.  He
has a place in mind, but it's kind of a dude ranch - not my idea of a
good time (if that's possible on a fat farm).

Anyway, I discussed it with a friend of mine, and decided, hey, if I
have to go to such lengths to please my husband, then I ought to have
some fun doing it.  (He's paying.)

My husband and I really enjoyed a trip we took to Maui a couple of years
ago in November.  Of course, at that time losing weight was not my
objective, so I didn't make any effort to find information on the
existence of such a place.  However, as many beached whales as I saw
at that time, I know it certainly could be a marketable venture at that
locale. :-)

I realize this is sort of a long shot, and I certainly don't mean to
imply that anyone reading this group would have reason to know anything
about this, but just on the off chance that one of you may have driven
past such a place in the course of your travels and could give me a
name and approximate location.  I'll follow up from there.  Please
reply by e-mail.

Incidently, if anyone of you are planning on being in that area around
early to mid-November, and wouldn't mind smuggling in some goodies ..
I really LOVE chocolate ;-).
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Bus travel from Munich to Prague
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:49:56 GMT

a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager) wrote: 
->I'd like info on 4 or 5 day bus packages from Munich to Prague.

call a travel agent; i hear they have them in muenchen.

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From: woodward@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (Todd Woodward)
Subject: Re: BC provencial parks
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:29:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.224912.8300@intelhf.hf.intel.com>, dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
> 
> 6 days and counting 'till vacation!
> We'll be spending 12 days in British Columbia, divided between Vancouver Island
> the Whistler area, Manning Park, and Golden Ears. We're especially interested
> in seeing glaciers, waterfalls( and bears if we get lucky). We'd also like to
> do some scenic canoeing. Can anyone recommend some particularly good places
> in the four areas I've mentioned?
-- 
I'm from Victoria and one of the best things I've ever done is hike the
West-coast trail on Vancouver island in the Pacific Rim National Park.
Takes four or five days, but I can't think of a better way to spend the time.
Might want to check ahead because now there is a limited number allowed on
the trail.

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From: kazuhiko@lut.fi (Kazuhiko Nakada)
Subject: Tallin info needed
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:15:35 GMT
Distribution: rec.travel
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

I'm an IAESTE trainee in FINLAND.
I'm planning to go to Tallin in Estonia.
What should I see?What should I eat?Is it dangerous there?
I would appreciate any information about Tallin.
 
Thanks a lot.(Doumo Arigatou)

kazuhiko@sisu.lut.fi
Lappeenranta Institute of Technology,Department of Nuclear Engineering. 
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From: vijay@jessica.stanford.edu (vijay mehrotra)
Subject: Re: Getting from SFO (airport) to Stanford: How?
Organization: Academic Information Resources
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.000106.1813@PA.dec.com> klee@wsl.dec.com writes:
>|> I'm looking for suggestions on how to get from San Francisco Airport
>|> to Stanford University on the afternoon of October 1. I have NEVER
>|> been in the bay area before. I need to visit Stanford for a few hours
>|> before flying out to Australia. Is there any relatively inexpensive
>|> way of getting from the airport to Stanford that doesn't take a whole
>|> lot of time?

>Cheapest is the bus.  SamTrans 7F bus goes from the airport to the edge of
>campus.  Cost is a buck or so each way, but service is not real frequent.

Small caveat.  I've taken the bus and it is indeed cheap.  However, it is 
painfully slow, and so I would definitely not recommend that option for 
your situation.  

Do the Super Shuttle like Ken recommended -- it's your best bet.  Make 
arrangements with the driver for the return trip as well.

Vijay
From: sriram@cremona.Eng.Sun.COM (Sriram Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Reliable source of immunization information for international travel
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:50:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cremona


What is a reliable source of immunization information for international 
travel ? I've been getting conflicting recommendations from travel agents 
and the like. 

Also, does anybody know if travel to Egypt requires prior immunization ?

sriram/.
From: cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: _The Prisoner_ and Portmeirion (was Re: Places to visit in the UK)
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:55:32 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

> 
> Question for anyone who might know:  I have an address for Portmeirion
> Potteries that's in Stoke-on-Trent, but I'm also told this is the
> "pottery centre" of England in that many of the famous fine china
> manufacturers have stores there.  Is the Portmeirion factory actually
> in Portmeirion (i.e. in Wales)?

No! The Portmeirion Factory, like most pottery manufacturers, is in
Stoke-on-Trent. It has its name because the lady who runs it is the
daughter of the architect who built the Portmeirion village.
> 
> Portmeirion's "Botanic Garden" pattern is popular in this country
> (much more so than in England, I'm told!) partly, I think, 
> because of those who know about the association of the name with _The
> Prisoner_.  It's also very expensive here, but reasonably priced in
> London.  I'm hoping for a factory outlet, which might have even better
> prices.
> 
> Thanks,
> Charleen
> --
If you want cheap Potmeirion ware, your best bet is their seconds shop
(which is in Hartshill, on the road between Stoke and Newcastle under
Lyme). They sell items which are slightly imperfect - you can usually
see where the imperfection is because they mark it in the factory with a
black pencil - and you can get really good bargains there (although what
is available will vary depending on what they are producing at any
particular time). Obviously, whether you find this a good idea will
depend on how tolerant you are of things like minor misalignments of
borders. They take the usual credit cards. We use this shop all the
time.

In general, the Potteries (which is what we usually call the Stoke area)
is quite well organised for tourism and factory visits (though you will
find that most people want to visit the big names like Wedgwood, who run
a very slick visitors centre). There is a small factory shop by the
railway station, and a bus service leaves from there to take people from
there to the various potteries. You can get more information from the
Tourist Information Centre, The Potteries Shopping Centre, Quadrant
Road, Hanley, Stoke-on-Trent, ST1 1RZ, UK. If this doesn't help, e-mail
me!

The Potteries, by the way, is a very confusing place. The city,
Stoke-on-Trent, is a confederation of half a dozen small towns, one of
which is Stoke-upon-Trent (where the railway station is), but the real
centre is a place called Hanley.

I should make it clear that I don't work for Stoke Tourist Board! I
don't even come from here! I have, however worked here for some years,
and think its a nice place. It's good to see visitors from overseas
getting away from the usual tourist rip-off areas (London, Stratford,
Oxford, Cambridge etc etc etc), and getting out to here where the people
are cheerful and friendly (if a bit disorganised), and where they give
you a good deal, and there are interesting things to see. 

I hope you enjoy your trip!

Richard Wallace
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From: maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Dominican Republic Help Needed
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:59:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California


EVELYN!!!!!! You're going to DR?

I will be forever in your debt if while you are there
you could find any company
which makes furniture and can arrange to have it shipped to the
Bahamas! 

We're looking for oldish/colonial/plantation type stuff,
semi-antique is OK but not required, mainly beds and chests and
tables and chairs. If they have a catalog it would be great, but
a telephone or better still fax number would be enough to start
with. We'd also like to find primitive Haitian-style paintings.

Our architect told us we could find good stuff in the DR,
but I'm not sure we have the time or the budget for a trip there
ourselves. If you're staying at a large hotel, maybe the concierge
would know. Or cabdriver might suggest?

Send whatever you can get to

maslak@speech.sri.com


Thanks for whatever you can do!

Valerie Maslak
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From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: hotel Amsterdam in San Fransisco
Summary: Hotel Amsterdam
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:16:43 GMT

I stayed at a place called the Hotel Amsterdam or the Amsterdam Hotel
in San Fransisco about 7 years ago, had MTV and everything, anybody
know if this place still exists.

Looking for a place to stay in Frisco possibly near stanford or redwood
area.



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From: karin@seashell.esd.sgi.com (Karin Borda)
Subject: hotels/motels/B&B's on beach in No. Calif.
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:41:44 GMT

I'm looking for recommendations for coastal getaways
between Big Sur and Mendocino.  Prefer places with ocean
views, located in relatively secluded areas.  Campsite
recommendations okay, too.  I need an escape!!!

Send replies to me at karin@seashell.esd.sgi.com or reply
to newsgroup. 

Thanks!!!

Karin
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From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos)
Subject: Re: Know Toronto Tourist Spots
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: rec.travel
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:46:06 GMT

Hi,

If you're in to theatre, you can see "Phantom of the Opera" at the
Pantages. Other sites/activities:
- Wonderland (amusement park, north of Toronto)
- Eaton Centre (downtown -- shopping)
- Centre Island (south of T.O)
- Canadian National Exhibition (CNE starts August 19, ends Labour Day)
  the world's biggest "county fair" (for lack of a better description)
- SkyDome, CN Tower, as you mentioned
- Toronto Stock Exchange - $$$ - King & Bay St.
- O'Keefe Centre, Roy Thompson Hall -- music & theatre
- Ontario Place (connected to CNE) - see IMAX movies at Cinesphere
- Woodbine & Greenwood Race Tracks (horse racing/betting)
- Metro Toronto Zoo (in East end)

I'm sure there are many other sites that a visitor would find
interesting. 

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Subject: TRAVEL FROM CHARLES DE GAULLE TO ORLY AIRPORT (PARIS)
From: T.D.Sadlier@massey.ac.nz (T.D. Sadlier)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:35:18 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Can someone please tell me the best way of getting from Charles de
Gaulle Airport to Orly Airport (Paris) - We'll be flying in from
San Francisco and have about 2 hours in which to transfer from one
to the other.  Any help would be appreciated.

Tanya Sadlier
From: tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu (Anthony Olejnik)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: AtlanticCity - WildWood  request
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:51:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Finally, something I can talk about (thanks for asking) :)

Since I've lived in Philadelphia most of my life (I now live
in NJ - ~10 minutes from Philly), I've visted the "shore" many
times (I even spent the summer of '79 in Wildwood).

Atlantic City (AC) is only good for the Casinos (gambling, shows, etc.).
Other than than (IMHO), you can forget it.  The actual city is not safe
(only the boardwalk block - where the casinos are - is 'safe').  There's
a boardwalk, but I find it uninteresting.  The beach is OK (no beach fee
and mucho sand).

South of AC is Ventor City and Margate (good summer resort for college 
students to stay at).  The bars and the beach are the things to do there.

South of Ventor and Margate is Ocean City (which is the best IMHO).  In
fact, I'm taking off tomorrow for a long weekend at a B&B with my wife.
We love it there.  Its a dry town, however and no places to see bands.
The beaches are currently being replenished (they're pumping previously
washed away sand from the ocean back onto the beach).  There a boardwalk
with some amusements for the kids.  There's a *GREAT* carmel popcorn store
(Johnson's) at a couple of places on the boardwalk.  Also, a fee is charged
to use the beach.

South of Ocean City are Sea Isle city and Avalon.  These are also good places.

There are 3 parts to Wildwood (North Wildwood, Wildwood, and Wildwood Crest).
The center one (Wildwood) has the best beaches, boardwalk, amusmements (for
both adults and kids), bars, places to eat, noise, etc. of them all.  North
Wildwood and the crest are more quite with most of the permanent residents
living there.

And finally, at the tip is Cape May (perhaps the best of them all).  Small
beachs (w/ fees), little boardwalk, but extremely quaint.  I stayed there
for a week one year and have visited it occasionally.  I plan on going
down to Cape May during Victorian week (which I think is sometime in
October this year).  My wife and I plan on staying at a B&B.  They open
up a number of the old victoring houses for viewings at that time of the 
year.

So, inconclusion I'd say:

	Visit AC only for the casinos (shows, food, gambling).  Visit
        Wildwood for the beaches, boardwalks, and bars.  Visit Cape 
	May for the shops and beautiful victorian houses.  Visit Ocean
	city for the beach, boardwalk, bike riding (on the boardwalk before
	11am - you can also do this in Wildwood as well), and the relaxed
	atmosphere (AC and Wildwood are too intense for my old age).

Hope this helps.

--tony

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From: vpmath1@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Ruth Radetsky)
Subject: Re: safe place to keep ti
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:54:27 GMT

I agree that you should treat your ticket as carefully as you treat
your passport.  However, my roommate the travel agent has taught me
one thing that can make your life _much_ easier if your waist-belt
is stolen (or you leave it under your pillow :-):

****carry a xerox of your ticket someplace separate from the ticket****

say, with your traveller's check receipts (which shouldn't be with your
traveller's checks)  In the unlikely event you need to get your ticket
replaced (he says it's not that unlikely)  a xerox will be much more 
usefull than just the ticket numbers, and in many cases, virtually
essential.  

(At my roommate's insistence, I carried a xerox of _his_ ticket as 
well as my own, and he carried one of mine--we stuck them deep in our
luggage and forgot about them)

Note:  Waist-belt means something you wear ***under*** your clothes, not
a fanny pack!
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From: rivera_edgardo@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Airline tickets - Atlanta to San Juan, PR
Organization: Motorola CIG 
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:24:32 GMT

For sale:  Two one way American Airlines tickets departing from Atlanta, GA on
the 14th of october at 2:00pm and arriving to San Juan,PR at 6:27pm.  The price
is $100.00 each OBO.  If you are interested reply by e-mail or call
708-818-5743 after 5:00pm. Thanks. 

ELR                                       rivera_edgardo@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
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From: zoelen@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: who represents ukraine?
Organization: Leiden University Faculty of Social Sciences
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:56:45 +0100

I'm trying to get visa for holland for someone from
ukraine. Does anyone know if there is an official
representation for ukraine.. the old soviet ambassies
refuse to represent ukraine now. Does ukraine still
ask the old cccp invitation for people tp leave the
country? And: i would appreciate any contact with 
someone in ukraine who has access to this system or 
has an internet address there. 
ad van zoelen, leiden, holland

p.s. i checked the ministry of foreign affairs here... 
they don't know either
ps 2. HELPPPPPPP
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