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From: csmith@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Subject: Re: Reading music off of flip folders....
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:40:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.043933.23413@Virginia.EDU> mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("seilF eht fo droL, bubezleeB") writes:
>
>
>Let's talk about something someone in the stands could possibly
>give a damn about.  All I could even imagine them caring about is: does it sound good -is it a good tune.  That's
>it.  Fine.  Bottom line.
>
>	Oh, you memorized your music?!  You must be soooo dedicated.  

Memorizing music is done PRIMARILY so that you can concentrate on marching.
If all you care about is how the band SOUNDS, you might as well have a
concert band out there. MARCHING bands, on the other hand, move on the
field, make formations, do drills, etc.  Every band that has ever come to
OSU ends up sending alternates out on the field to pick up the four or five
flip folders that end up on the field. The most that end up on the field
after an OSU performance is a hat or two that came off during a snap turn.

Marching bands must LOOK good as well as SOUND good.
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From: hbawl@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (Wilber L. Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: UC songs
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:42:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec17.140440.11577@news.cs.indiana.edu> gemerson@ugly.ucs.indiana.edu (Gennis Emerson) writes:
>Hmm. Maybe someone can unconfuse me (it's amazing what I can find to worry
>about besides that final I have to take tomorrow :-). I was in the Cal
>Aggie Marching Band-uh at UC Davis. We had our own fight song, but we also
>played several other fight songs belonging to the University of California.
>One of these was "Sons of California",  and another was "Big C". I'm fairly
>sure that the song I heard as "Sons of Westwood" was the tune that went
>with "Big C". So rescue me from op sys studying and tell me if they're the
>same or not.
>
>I really miss playing in the band. This is making me homesick, and I can't
>even go play with the Aggie Band at a basketball game when I'm home this
>winter because of that damn administration saying alumni can't perform with
>the band anymore. I wonder if they're going to let us march on Picnic Day? 

    
   Question:
 
     How many schools  use the term  'Aggie'  in their names for
     the school, the students, the football team, band, etc ?


   Texas A&M University  used to be...
       'The Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas'
                        (founded in 1876)
   ...thus  'Aggies' is our name for students and former students.

   Our 'school mascot', however, is a pure-bred Collie (like lassie)
   named 'Revelle' as in a trumpet wake-up call (currently Revelle_V).

   
>
>-- 
>Gennis Emerson              "... I really hate to ask it, but do you
>gemerson@cs.indiana.edu                  have a basket?"
From: Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:37:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

>     In HS, we had problems with our cheerleaders dancing to our cadences and
> other drum features. So to fix that we did a little research into the           cheerleader mind. We found that they can only count to 4. So, we started playing
> warmups and any other crap we could in off time signatures! We had several 
> warmups in 5/8, and 7/8. Sometimes we would drop a beat here or there just to
> mess with their brains. What a rip! :)
> 

The 'SC band would occasionally play the intro to one song and then switch
into another.  It was fun to see how fast the song girls could recover.

Our song girls don't do much except dance.  There are yell leaders (we used
to call them yell fish, mostly because the way they clapped reminded us
of big seals) that lead cheers, the student body -- heck, all of the 'SC
fans -- used to routinely ignore them.  The past couple of seasons it seems
that the crowd is actually paying attention and doing some cheers.  I guess
when you have a 3-8 season as we did in '91, the crowd has to find something
to do.  ;-)


        ---  __o          Liza Weissler
     ----  _`\<,_         The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
      --- (*)/ (*)        liza@rand.org

	
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From: lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band)
Subject: Re: S and M man
Organization: Stanford Band
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:37:33 GMT

In article <96...whOOPS> mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("Ramalama from Alabama") writes:

>	When last we met the Stanford Band in the French
>Quarter, y'all were singing a song called the S & M man.  The
> people with you, Michael Fuchs and James
>Breen, couldn't remember the lyrics you used, so we've made up
>our own and still sing it to this day.  What are the original lines?

Wow, haven't sung it much since.  I think the only person who remembers
it correctly is Greg Louden (the Viking-like one), who may have been
conducting at the time.  If anyone knows it, feel free to mail it along
(or post it with standard disclaimer - "We didn't write it, we don't even
sing it.  Who are you?  What's my name?  Who put this food in my mouth?").

Scott "not the S & M man" Stan4d
Banned from New Orleans - do I remember why?  Are we getting free what?
-- 
Leland Stanford Junior     |\   | |~~~~ |    | ~~T~~ "LSJUMBle" Show
University Marching Band   | \  | |     |    |   |    Fall, 1986
                           |  \ | |     |    |   |
lsjumb@leland.stanford.edu |   \| |____  \__/    |    Hey bonz - nice E.
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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Marching Bands
Keywords: Marching
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:04:50 GMT

dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly) writes:
>currybg@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian) writes:
>Iowa refers to Purdue as the Amoeba Marching Mess.  FYI.

Hmmm... that's interesting coming from someone from IOWA.  What's that step 
called where you guys swing your whole upper body back and forth from side to 
side?  That must be hard to do and play at the same time.  I would imagine that
if you did, you might sound like the Michigan band...


  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 			 	      			       Marching Illini 
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
				   --------------------------------------------
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From: lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band)
Subject: Re: College/HS Marching Band Quickie Survey
Organization: Stanford Band
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:44:16 GMT

In article <42> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>
>I am basically a college and HS band "illiterate" in that I
>do not know what the trends in college and HS bands are these days.
>
>The intent of this post is get a feel for the kinds of shows/music
>college and HS marching bands are performing.  Here's a list of
>questions cover various aspects of the field show.

[stuff deleted]

OK, hold on a sec - this could be a big disorganized netmess.  Tim
Castro at Berkeley seems to be making a list of bands and their
marching style; perhaps it would be best to email (not post) responses
to him (but let's get the go-ahead from him first, since this could be
a time-consuming task depending on how much info goes in).  He would
post the results later.

We might consider making a huge public directory somewhere with lists
of all this info and how-to-join, bits o' history, etc., and make it
available by anonymous ftp or something.  Currently we (the Stanford
Band) have a Public directory that is accessible by anyone (I think) (by the
way, it is /afs/ir.stanford.edu/users/l/lsjumb/Public, but is still in its
infancy and doesn't have much stuff - lots of inside joke things at
this point).  I'm not exactly sure how anonymous ftp sites work and
all, but I could probably figure it out (actually Adam Elman is the
UNIX guru around here, maybe he wants a project besides attaining the
world record number of smilies in a single post :-).  I might have
time to develop such a thing after/during finals (after Mon 12/14,
say).

Any thoughts/better ideas on this one (or anyone else really want this
project)?

Scott Stan4d
-- 
The one                  (;@~)  (`@<)   Leland Stanford Junior
The only               |\____________/| University Marching Band
The truly incomparable |  \/  \/  \/  | 
                        \___/\__/\___/  lsjumb@leland.stanford.edu
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford)
Subject: Band autonomy (was Re: UC songs)
Organization: none whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:27:14 GMT

In article <hey, big brother> gemerson@ugly.ucs.indiana.edu (Gennis Emerson) writes:

>I really miss playing in the band. This is making me homesick, and I can't
>even go play with the Aggie Band at a basketball game when I'm home this
>winter because of that damn administration saying alumni can't perform with
>the band anymore. I wonder if they're going to let us march on Picnic Day? 

WHAT?  Since when do you let the administration say who can be in your
band?  Tell them to go FUCK themselves.  Bands should be able to say
who is allowed in or not (ESPECIALLY all you student-run bands out
there).  GIVE UP NO GROUND!  Give the athletic department a simple
message:  WE determine who is in the Band and how we're run.  If YOU
don't like it, then fine, you WON'T have a band at your games.  If
your students/press likes your band (and who COULDN'T like the UCDavis
Aggie Band?) then you will win.

Scott "this country sucks - get me a Wiedeman's" Stan4d
-- 
Scott Stanford                 |)  Eenie meenie miney moe.
stanford@leland.stanford.edu  /|   Catch a tiger by the toe.
                             ((|,) If he hollers...yeah whatEVER.
"MORE Doctah Peppah!!"        ~|~  He's EATIN' your ass.  Run, you idiot.
From: edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: UCLA Rumor
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:22:40 GMT
Reply-To: edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith)
Distribution: usa
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <1glm06INNfsd@agate.berkeley.edu> timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:
>Hey, I heard a rumor out there that the UCLA Band is planning on 
>gradually phasing out their fight song "Sons of Westwood" (which 
>in reality, is U.C. Berkeley's "Big C," permanently "borrowed" for 
>40 years).  I would imagine that the plan is to commission someone to 
>write another song to replace "Sons." 
>
>This would not be anything new since their other fight song ("The Mighty 
>Bruin") was composed as a commission by Bill Conti (who did the "Rocky" 
>theme).
>
>Can any current UCLA Bandsman confirm or deny this?

Well, I'm not exactly a current band member, but I can comment on this.

Gordon Henderson, the UCLA band director, would like to make Mighty Bruins
the primary university fight song.  However, like most major changes, it's 
going to take a long time to become accepted (if it becomes accepted at all).  
I don't know for sure why he wants to promote the the newer, more mediocre 
Mighty Bruins tune over the established Sons of Westwood, but I suspect it 
involves no small amount of hubris :-)

Sons of Westwood is still the song that most people associate with UCLA,
and stolen or not, UCLA fans and alums consider it to be *the* fight song.

As an aside, when Kelly James became the UCLA director (back in the 60's if
I recall correctly), he brought the "Sons" tune with him from Cal, and made
it the main fight song, replacing "By the Old Pacific".

Edson Smith                                            Tuba                     edson@rand.org                                         UCLA Band 78-83
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From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("")
Subject: Re: Virgina
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:48:48 GMT

twomblyk@next12csc.wam.umd.edu  writes:
> 
> Hee Hee...
> 
> So,
> It boils down to THAT, does it?
> 
> Well...I'm sure that the Wah-Hoos are good (for that level)
> But you just can't get up to The Mighty Sound Of Maryland's level.
> _WE_ got a standing O at FSU this year....
> _YOU_ can come to our school anytime you want.....
> (we need a good laugh now and then)
> 
> A wet-willie back at you,
> Kristian "Waldo" Twombly
> 
> P.S. - If anal-rot is a problem, you should look in the mirror!
> 
> *giggle*
	Kristen, you say your band is "small for its size"?!
Sounds like a line we'd use! 
	-Mick
 
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From: lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band)
Subject: Re: School Songs
Organization: Stanford Band
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:57:03 GMT

In article <1..2..3..maybe 16 BILLION> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:
>Where do school songs come from?
>Where do they go?
>What schools are playing stolen or borrowed tunes as school songs?

Stanford's "Come Bite the Gla..." I mean "Come Join the Band" is
actually the chorus to the "New Colonial March."  Apparently this gets
played at the Changing of the Guard across the Atlantic once in a while,
baffling the shit out of the silly Stanford people who may be visiting.
Dr. Barnes did our arrangement of this tune, which I BELIEVE is originally
by R.B. Hall.

"All Right Now" is the real fight song (Come Join we play to appease the
blue-haired alumni).  The original is, of course, by Free (another one hit
wonder, kind of like the Knack, but better), and our arrangement is again
by Arthur P. Barnes (not to be confused with Arthur C. Bartner, drill
sergeant of U$C).  I added the original guitar solo into what has become
known as the "All Right Now Victory Mix," which we play in the unlikely
event of a water landing.  Or a Stanford win.

There are a few more school songs that we don't play very often cuz
they're marches, but we bring 'em out to please the old blue-hairs.
They include "Sons of the Stanford Red" and "Cardinal is Waving."  Don't
have much background on these handy, but suffice to say they're probably
arranged by APB.

The alma mater is "Hail, Stanford, Hail," and like most alma maters is
pretty much a dirge (although it's a lot better than some), so we bring
it a little uptempo.  Guess who arranged it?  If you guessed Godzilla,
Ravager of Scale Models of Tokyo, then I'm sorry, you're wrong.  The
correct answer is APB.  Original by Mary Coolidge.  Unfortunately it's in
concert G which means lots of sharps for most people, and a bitch to tune
for (G# and C# are the most out of tune notes for most instruments, and
saxes have the added joy of G# keys that stick down ALL the time,
especially if the rank drink had lots of sugar in it).

Scott Stan4d
-- 
Leland Stanford Junior      .__________________. "Dinosaurs that Change
University Marching Band    | Stegosaurus Ave. |  into Road Signs" Show
                             ~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~
lsjumb@leland.stanford.edu           |            Sit down, Joel.
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From: straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin)
Subject: Re: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:20:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.200814.18519@leland.Stanford.EDU> Scott
Stanford, hiding behind the pseudo-pseudonym
lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band) writes:
>I think bands tend to always have the best cheers - some LSJUMB faves:
>
>PurSUE them
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
 I thought this was "ReTARD them!"

>PurSUE them
>MAKE them reLINquish the BALL
>
>(repeat until crowd catches on - flip them off when they act like stunned
>sheep - there's a corresponding one for offense to that Ethan came up with,
>but I forget how it goes

ProGRESS!
ProGRESS!
AMBulate OVer the TURF!

   As to the discussion of why our Cheezleaders failed to notice when
we started sticking 3/4 and 5/4 bars in our fight song, I prefer to
think that they're just too stupid to count to four in the first place
(which is entirely possible, given the infamous "STANORD" card blunder
of two years ago).  To compensate, they've developed a keen ear for
the downbeat, and they'll just stand there doing the same Gawdawful
two-count arm-waving gesture until they hear it, whereupon they'll
enter their "routine" for the next bar.
   At this point, nothing would amuse me more than pouring 4 oz. of
Robotussin down each of their throats about an hour before game time.
Let's see 'em try and keep a beat now!  :-)

>Scott
>-- 
>Leland Stanford Junior      .__________________. "Dinosaurs that Change
>University Marching Band    | Stegosaurus Ave. |  into Road Signs" Show
>                             ~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~
>lsjumb@leland.stanford.edu           |            Sit down, Joel.

Ethan
LSJUMB ABF Drumz
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From: tsrail@dad.bgsu.edu (Tom Srail)
Subject: BAND SPIRIT GROUPS???
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:28:23 GMT


Just curious, Do any other University/college Marching Bands have a 
group in them specifically for band spirit?  

At Bowling Green, we have an anonymous group of guys called BUFFO who 
are the "Spirit of the Band"  They dress in the BUFFO costume, with masks,
capes, etc., visit us during our Sat. Pregame warm-up, visit the directors/
staff/etc. on a weeknight before performances, hang signs around campus 
promoting band activities, and much more...

There are 2 members secretly chosen from each class.  As far as I know, this
is possibly a unique thing.  Does anyone else have something like this at 
their school???

Tom 


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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: Hey! TUBAS.....where are you???
Keywords: lalalalalal
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.074556.5346@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly) writes:
> sasmith@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Four) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
> >different bond for us--well, we sorta have an unofficial fraternity..
> >SIGMA TAU RHO--the Syracuse Tuba Republic...founded 5 years ago.  It
> 
> Iowa's Sousy's are all proud to claim membership in the association of silks
> and sousys  (Even though we don't have silks anymore...)  This informal
> fraternity, Alpha Sigma Sigma (ASS) is quite a strange bunch, to say the
> least...


We heard you don't have your silks any more because of budget cuts.  We heard a
quote from someone, an athletic director or band staff maybe, that "...The
flagline has nothing to do with football, therfore it is not needed at
halftime."  If the flags don't have anything to do with halftime entertainment,
what the hell is the band doing?  They have nothing to do with football either. 
At Iowa State, we feel that the banners are needed for "visual stimulation."

Three finals down and two to go!

Andy Combites
ISUCF"V"MB Trombone
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From: ender@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chris Hondl)
Subject: Re: cheerleaders: kill them or just disembowel?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:17:11 GMT

Things have gotten pretty nasty at times here at Stanford.  Kind of unfortunate
because all that is wanted is for the cheerleaders to cheer and not to dance.
They can suck all they want as long as they are not sucking when we are 
playing.

They seem to have become accustomed to the school song, "All Right Know,"
having occaisional 5/4 and bars stuck in at somewhat randowm locations.  I
suspect they'll have a little more trouble with one of our new songs, Limelight
by RUSH.  The thing is partly in 7/4 and goes into 3/4 which belies the fact 
that, like most RUSH songs, the real beat the song has never really seems
to be right on the bar line.

Chris Hondl
ender@leland.stanford.edu
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From: dooley@owlnet.rice.edu (Bradley Scott Dooley)
Subject: Re: band buildings
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:04:42 GMT

|>    As another thread-starter -- what kinds of housing does your _Band_
|>    have, as far as instrument storage, administration, rehearsal space,
|>    etc.?  We have the lovely (condemned) Stanford Band Shak, a former

Here at Rice the MOB gets to live in this really small pseudo-bandhall in
the basement of the student center building.  Ordinarily, we rehearse
outside, either in a big circle or out on the practice field we are 
in the process of learning a show.  When it rains ("It never rains on 
the MOB," says the story) we cram everybody down there, but the flutes
have to stuff themselves into the director's office, sprawled about on
the various elements of furniture in there.  Other than that, plus the 
pillars that must be worked around 'cause they block line of sight to
the podium from certain areas, the place is fine.

Actually, next year, we are moving to a new facility, I hear.  It's 
supposedly where the campus kitchen facilities are right now (don't 
know where they are putting them next year).  Of course, all this 
comes as I'm about to graduate, so it does me no good....

cheers,
Brad

-- 
Brad Dooley			|	  
Senior, Mechanical Engineering	|   Tuba players eat their dead....
Rice University, Houston, TX 	|                   
dooley@owlnet.rice.edu		|
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From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("")
Subject: Re: tasteless
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:01:46 GMT

Dear Scott,
	Verily is that tasteless.  Albeit masturbatory, it always is
fun to come up with things you know you can never use.  And
isn't fun what it's all about in the first place?
	We just started a brand new tradition here at Mas'ah Jefferson's
 Academical Sludgepit; uncesored shows in our ampitheatre - we do
 a "Killer V" show, where we form  a V and then run around like headless
 chickens to form another V, ad nauseum.  We came up with:  

	Hey,  English department chairs!  Why did you deny
tenure to those two female faculty members?  
	-Ahh, terrible sorry, but they just wouldn't put out...
any published material, that is.

	If Florida Cheerleaders drink Gatoraide, do Florida
STATE cheerleaders drink Seminole- Fluid?  (Then we had a
"cheerleader" come out, rah rah around, and spit out a wad)

	There was something else concerning Al Gore's daughters
being required to provide beauty tips to Chelsea Clinton, but
the exact wording escapes.  




	You know, my Mom is Greek, and a euphonious appelation
she used for poop when I was a kid was "Skata"
-pronounced "Scott-ah" (accent grave over the ah)-, forever
tainting that fine name for me with less than sanguine
association.  It is fellows like yourself who help me
over come this handicap.

	Mick "Yeah, it's not our fault that out football team
only knows two plays" Stone