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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: What about the ...
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:28:41 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <1992Nov18.210125.10070@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lofdahl@horton.Colorado.EDU (LOFDAHL  COREY LOWELL) writes:
>
>In this newsgroup, can we talk about the Spanish Inquisition?

NO!

THIS GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF REVOLUTION COUNTER.

REVOLUTION COUNTER ONLY.

IF YOU HAVE TACHOMETER YOU WANT TALK ABOUT THEN OKAY.

SPANISH INQUISITION NO.

OKAY!
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: jhobson@SU19F.ess.harris.com ()
Subject: This is great!
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:58:54 GMT
Distribution: alt
Reply-To: jhobson@SU19F.harris-atd.com ()
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL

There are so many revolutions going on that I can't seem to keep
a good count of them.  Now there's a news group that will count
them for me!

:^)  

Harv
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:11:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.175502.24941@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nmonagha@nyx.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan) writes:
   The new newsgroup alt.revolution.counter will cover
   the culture, philosophy and politics of what may be
   termed the Counter-Revolution. Amonst other matters
   it will deal with:

	   monarchism
	   distributism
	   integrism
	   corporatism
	   subsidarity

You might want to write an essay (FAQ?) explaining what these are and
what their advantages are.  I know that it would be a lot of work,
which might seem worthless since you could easily point us to
references, but a well-written essay on this newsgroup might be read
by more people than there are copies of any single
counter-revolutionary book.

Also, you might want to point out examples of societies that present
good examples of these various principles.  Many political
philosophies sound very good on paper, but have no good
implementations in reality.

Dale
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: nmonagha@nyx.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan)
Subject: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:55:02 GMT


The new newsgroup alt.revolution.counter will cover
the culture, philosophy and politics of what may be
termed the Counter-Revolution. Amonst other matters
it will deal with:

        monarchism
        distributism
        integrism
        corporatism
        subsidarity

Regularly updated articles containing journal subscription details,
the contact addresses of various organizations and other useful
information will be posted. An archive will be created in which
selected postings (e.g. book reviews) can be saved.
From: jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:27:06 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

In <1ejsl5INNq3o@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>Well, here's one definition of subsidiarity, straight from the Maastricht Treaty.

>	"ARTICLE 3b
>	The Community shall act within the limit of the powers conferred upon 
>	it by this Treaty and of the objectives assigned to it therein.
>	In areas which do not fall within its exclusive competence, the 
>	Community shall take action, in accordance with the principle of 
>	subsidiarity, only if and in so far as the objectives of the proposed 
>	action cannot be sufficiently achieved by the Member States and can
>	therefore, by reason of the scale or effects of the proposed action, 
>	be better achieved by the Community.     Any action by the Community 
>	shall not go beyond what is necessary to achieve the objectives of 
>	this Treaty."

I can't think of anything which could not be argued to be insufficiently
achievable by the Member States separately.  Taxation, welfare benefits,
safety regulations, licensing of professions: any difference between
member states in any of these could be seen as an obstacle to free movement
of people and goods.

--                                ____
Richard Kennaway                  \  /__    School of Information Systems
Internet:  jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk       \/  /    University of East Anglia
uucp:  ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk      \/     Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
Date: 19 Nov 1992 04:35:20 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
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In article <Conrad_Nobili-181192172939@nobili.harvard.edu>, Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov17.175502.24941@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
|> nmonagha@nyx.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan) wrote:
|> 
|> >         monarchism
|> >         distributism
|> >         integrism
|> >         corporatism
|> >         subsidarity
|> 
|> What the ^%$#?
|> 
|> If I were feeling kind I *might* allow that *one* of those is a word....

In fact, two of these are in the online Webster, and a third is
merely mis-spelled.

	monarchism
	corporatism
	subsidiarity

jon.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: What is this newsgroup about?
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:45:50 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Nov18.215740.22344@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>
>A single person ruling is a dictatorship.  In common mainstream
>political thought that is wrong.  Go ahead, insert patriotic
>waste-of-words here.

A single person/party that seized power through military force
and was not elected by popular support, would be considered
a dictatorship.  It still encompasses a little more than this,
such as the enforcement of it's political ideology.

In theory, dictatorship/facism, is not popular.  However, you
should realize that there are totalitarian regimes that are
supported militarily and financially by countries like the U.S.,
France, and Great Britian (the so-called 'cornerstone of democracy')
for political power and interests throughout the world.  Latin
America and the Middle East are prime examples.

>But democracy is somehow thought of as superior, right?
>"Yes we love america by god love it or leave it you godless
>commie..."

It depends on how you define democracy, without the convenient aid
of a dictionary.  If it means freedom from oppression and for civil
rights, can we say that there is total freedom in the U.S. verses
any other country?  (I'm not just referring to the Bill of Rights or
the Constitution - those laws obviously did not apply to American
Indians OR black Americans of African descent, whom both have struggled
[are still struggling] for equal rights and non-discrimination.)

If democracy means the freedom to vote and elect to office, this
would not apply to countries where governments were installed by the
West (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, et al) for their political advantage; but
would apply to countries like Algeria (whom were cheated out of their
elections through a military coup).  You might also consider the fact
that dictatorships allow elections [even though most are staged - the
point being in the fact that an election was allowed], such as Iraq
and Syria.
  
Overall, if democracy is viewed in terms of justice, equality, and
civil rights, you have to keep in mind that it is in accordance
with the value systems in the context of each individual society.
Laws and civil codes are applicable to each society.  If a society is
traditionally based, another foreign system would not be applicable
to that society, and if forced (such as the colonization periods),
would be met with opposition and political conflicts to maintain the
political structure of that society.

Anisa

Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: revolution counter
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:07:06 GMT

weverka@csn.org (Robert T. Weverka) writes:
>Does anybody know where I can get a 3 digit revolution counter?
>I need a base ten counter with 1/8 inch shaft and a reset button.

      Herbach and Rademan Surplus, in Philadelphia, maybe.  Otherwise
I'd look in Thomas' Register.

					John Nagle
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.misc
Subject: Ayn Rand
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:48:15 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


        I am looking for any information regarding clubs, organizations
or any other information including newsletters concerning the work
and life of Ayn Rand. If you have any information about clubs, rare
books and any other collector's items, please leave me email. 

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Newsgroups: alt.fandom.misc
Subject: Darkover
From: ender2@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt Ender)
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:35:58 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'd like to go to Darkover Thanksgiving weekend -- but lack
transportation means.  If anyone is going through the Boston area on
their way to Darkover (or through Baltimore for a Turkey-day
roadtrip), please e-mail me at ender2@husc.harvard.edu, and let
me ride with you.  Of course, I'll pay my share of gas/car use.

Thanks!  This may make the difference between me at Darkover with lots
of chocolate to distribute to friends, and me at Darkover tired from
a bus trip, and sans chocolate...

-- Matt
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.misc
From: ahrvid@stacken.kth.se (Ahrvid Engholm)
Subject: The Filkso"ngs
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:46:20 GMT


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Newsgroups: alt.fandom.misc
Subject: Visions '92: R U Going?
From: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

The following is for anyone going to Visions '92 in Chicago over
Thanksgiving weekend...

1>  If you're going, leave me a note with the hotel (Ramada O'Hare), and
we can meet for a soda or something!

2>  If you're a non-smoking male looking to share the cost of a room,
PLEASE leave a note at the Ramada for me, and leave me a way to contact
you.  I should have accomodations for at least 2 more folks.  (The rate
($65/night + 12% tax) would be split equally, at least 3 ways if I get
you too!)

U'NI-net Fantasy & SF Conference Host
---
 . SM 1.06 *0020 . Lawyers do it in briefs.
                                                         
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: tim@smof.demon.co.uk (Tim Illingworth)
Subject: Re: INTERSECTION info please 
Distribution: world
Organization: None round here!
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:49:04 +0000


In article <1992Nov18.205201.12178@quest.UUCP> curt@quest.UUCP writes:

>Can anyone supply the email address for the contact of INTERSECTION,
>53rd Worldcon 1995 in Glasgow, Scotland.  I am a presuporting member
>and would like to find out what I need to do to get upgraded to full
>membership before the 12/31/92 rate cutoff.  Thanks for your help.
>
>Curtis S. Gibson   curt%quest.uucp@cs.umn.edu
>

Send $65 less $8 equals $57 payable to 'Intersection' to:

'Intersection'
c/o Theresa Renner
PO Box 15430
Washington
DC 20003

Theresa is 70511.603@compuserve.com.  Vince Docherty (my co-chair) is
100023.1731@compuserve.com.  My addresses are in my .sig file below.

-- 
============================================================================
Tim Illingworth            | SF Conventions supplied in all sizes:
Chessington, Surrey, UK    | Helicon     :Eastercon & Eurocon '93: Jersey CI
tim@smof.demon.co.uk       | Smofcon 10  :16-18 April 1993       : Jersey CI
timill@cix.compulink.co.uk | Intersection:Worldcon: 24-28 Aug '95: Glasgow
============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: East Coast con info wanted!
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:48:32 GMT

Hi, everyone!  I was wondering if anyone can give me info on cons coming
up on the East Coast between DC and Boston.  I'd especially like info on
these specific cons:
Arisia - Boston
Lunacon - Rye Brook, NY
CostumeCon - Pittsburgh
but I'd appreciate info on any others!
As always,
Your obedient servant,
Gabrielle de Lioncourt
ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: zen@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: "Help with costume"
Organization: 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:05:01 GMT


      I will be attending a fantasy based con in mid Jan. and am trying
to put together a costume.  Just your basic wandering mercenery with
leather armor, leggings, calf high boots, and a hooded cloak.  My 
problem is I cannot fine a: a catalog which sell said merchendise
b: a book that details how to make your own outfit. Any help in this 
area would be greatly appreciated.
Zen
                                                                           
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From: mattock@rand.org (Michael G. Mattock)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Where/when is LOSCON this year?
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:20:39 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Banzai Institute
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X-XXDate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:20:19 GMT


Could someone please tell me where and when LOSCON is this year?
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: "Help with costume"
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:36:56 GMT

just a warning if u dso find one .. its gonna be real expensive.
---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
---------------------------------------------------------------

   	


Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: B-CON, part 3.
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:56:56 GMT


The third installment in an ongoing saga...

On February 27th and 28th, 1993, the Bradley University Medieval
College Society will be hosting:

B-CON!!!

...on the campus of Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois.

We're still working on guests of honor, and they will be announced
once we know who they are.  The games we will be running are
Shadowrun, Champions, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (both editions),
Star Wars, Warhammer miniatures, Toon, Call of Cthulhu, and others.

We now have a special event: the GDW demo team will be here, demonstrating
and even running Dangerous Journeys (and possibly some other GDW games).

Fees will be $5 for the weekend, $3 per day if you preregister; $7 for the
weekend and $5 per day if you pay at the door.

Pre-registration information should include the names of all the
people you're registering (yes, we *do* have a reason for that
request), and should be sent (along with the money) to:

B-CON REGISTRATION
c/o Medieval College Society
425 Sisson Hall
Bradley University
Peoria, IL  61625

More specific information will be posted when available.  If you would like
to receive this information through email, send email to one of these email
addresses:
	dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (this one is preferred)
	dragon@buhub.bradley.edu
	mystk@camelot.bradley.edu
	mystk@buhub.bradley.edu

...and we will send you the information.

(p.s. If you need to speak with someone, the MCS office's phone number
is (309) 677-3358.  We do have an answering machine, and if no-one's
there, we'll call you back as soon as we can.)
--
*** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***
	Westheimer's Time Estimation Rule:
	    Estimate the time you think it should take, multiply by 2,
	    add 3, and change the unit of measure to the next higher unit.
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: East Coast con info wanted!
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:46:41 GMT
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization


electro@access.digex.com (Gary Ehrlich) writes:

   Here's more East Coast Con info:
   ...
   can't seem to find my Lunacon flyer at the moment!!

From cons.txt on elbereth.rutgers.edu:

March 19-21, 1993 (New York)

   LUNACON 36.  Rye Town Hilton, Rye Brook, NY.  GoH: Orson Scott Card;
   AGoH: Barclay Shaw; Pub. GoH: Richard Curtis; FGoH: Alexis Gilliland.
   Memb: $25 until 2/20/93, $35 after.  Info: Lunacon 36, Box 338, New
   York, NY 10150-0338.


--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandon,alt.fandom.cons
From: curt@quest.UUCP (Curtis Gibson)
Subject: INTERSECTION info please
Organization: Quest Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:52:01 GMT

Can anyone supply the email address for the contact of INTERSECTION,
53rd Worldcon 1995 in Glasgow, Scotland.  I am a presuporting member
and would like to find out what I need to do to get upgraded to full
membership before the 12/31/92 rate cutoff.  Thanks for your help.

Curtis S. Gibson   curt%quest.uucp@cs.umn.edu
From: coon@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: East Coast con info wanted!
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:31:39 GMT
Reply-To: coon@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Information on ARISIA:
ARISIA 93 will be held at the Boston Park Plaza Hotel, Jan 15-17, 1993
Memberships are $30 until December 1st, and $40 thereafter.  Rooms are
$72 for singles/doubles, $82 for triples/quads.

GOH is Ellen Kushner, Art GOH's are Charles Lang and Wendy Snow-Lang.
ARISIA is a multimedia convention, covering all aspects of science-fiction,
fantasy, and other Fan interests.  Our programming is very diverse, 
incorporating programs on science, costuming, filk, comics, art, gaming, 
and of course, literature.  We have a first-rate masquerade, a clarion
style writer's workshop, a Regency ball, 24 hour video room, 2 live role-
playing modules, a banquet roasting our GOH, and MORE!

For more information on ARISIA (or to send money!):
ARISIA, Inc.

1 Kendall Square, Suite 322
Cambridge, MA  02139
Computer Bulletin Board:  (617) 364-1576

Heather Coon
Head of Programming, ARISIA 93
From: figmo@netcom.com (Lynn Gold)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Filking at Silicon?
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:15:55 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: The Burn the Candle at Both Ends Club

Silicon is less than a week away, yet I've heard zippo about filking
there.  I'm also surprised not to see any postings about the con;
perhaps the biggest "secret" is that it's not at the Red Lion Inn this
year.  (I'd be willing to wager money that lots of people are going to
show up at the Red Lion this weekend looking for it!)

So, is anyone from the concom reading this?  Can you tell us what's
going on wrt the con?

Thanks,

--Lynn
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: electro@access.digex.com (Gary Ehrlich)
Subject: Re: East Coast con info wanted!
Keywords: EveCon, Lunacon
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:51:35 GMT


Here's more East Coast Con info:

Evecon 10:
     Jan 1 -3, 1993
     Doubletree Inn, Crystal City (hotel #: (703) 892-4100
     contact: FanTek, 1607 Thomas Road, Ft. Washington, DC  20744
     $20 thru 12/12, $25 at the door

Boskone XXX
     Feb 19 - 21, 1993
     Sheraton Tara, Framingham, MA
     contact: Boskone XXX, Box G, MIT Branch PO, Cambridge, MA 02139-0910

can't seem to find my Lunacon flyer at the moment!!

Balticon 27
     April 9 - 11
     Hunt Valley Inn, Hunt Valley, MD
     contact: Balticon 27, PO Box 686, Baltimore, MD 21203-0686

Hope this helps!

-- 
     ELECTRO   | Gary J. Ehrlich           | "Real filkers don't document;
    E_____     |                           |  if it was hard to write it   
   E           | electro@access.digex.com  |  should be hard to scan" 
  ELECTRO      | G. EHRLICH on GEnie       |