From: elennon@nyx.cs.du.edu (Elizabeth Lennon)
Subject: Re: MUD review: Apocalypse II
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:35:08 GMT

In article <BuMKCC.I8E@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana
edu writes:
>
>(me = Vaithus@ApocII.. .or used to be)
>
>WELL, if you're reading this, hello, Terminator. :)  I loved your MUD as
far as
>features & stuff.  Very flexible interface, and I was impressed w/ the n
w code
>modifications that you plan to add in the future. *applaud*  I hope the
>enhancements go well.
>(forgive me if I say "wizard" instead of "god" in this post; I'm used to
>TinyMUD terms)
>
>I suppose a Diku is a Diku as far as map & monsters, though some/most ha
e
>their own little modifications in the database.  But, I think that when 
e
>choose a Diku to be our "home," we want one with FRIENDLY wizards.  No, 
ot
>leniant, that's a different thing.  Friendly & understand wizards.  (Wol
erine,
>you're going to make a great wiz!!)
>
>Anyway, I sacrificed a level 9 fighter lastnite. *sniff*  It's a long st
ry why
>I did that, though.  See, there's this certain wizard on ApocII who was 
he
>touchy, fascist type wizard.  Who is it?  <name>!  (Yes, I'm being nice 
 not
>revealing your name, you lucky !&%!^!#).
>
>I'm not sure on how other Dikus handle shouting, but ApocII is pretty le
iant
>on shouts.  From what I observed, you could shout as long as:
>
>   1) You didn't shout something repeatedly
>   2) The shouted message wasn't obnoxious, stupid, or irrelevent to the
game
>   3) You tried to keep the message short & to the point
>
>People on ApocII mainly use shouting for:
>
>   1) Auctioning items off (cool idea)
>   2) Announcing they've advanced a level, in which everyone shout-repli
s
>      "CONGRATS!!"
>   3) Announcing the forming of groups, general info, etc. etc.
>
>Well, one day, I was bidding something off, and <name> (one of the gods)
tells
>me "Maybe you should learn how to use TELL."  I was rather PO'd.  I was 
NLY
>bidding something off, what's the deal?  So I replied to <name>, "I'm ju
t
>bidding something, so shut up."  Oopsies. :)  I hadn't realized beforeha
d that
><name> was a god.  Now, of course, seeing my mistake & cussing a few tim
s in
>RL, I tried to explain to <name> my mistake & apologized profusely.  No,
<name>
>didn't accept my apology & decided to muzzle me (disable say, emote, sho
t,
>tell).  I went at least 20-30 minutes like that, then negotiated (barely
 with
><name> and had my say/emote/tell/whisper back, but noshout.  This is fin
.
>
>Now, the flames flared up tonight.  I found a bug--which I found out lat
r was
>not a bug--and was going to shout it to everyone.  It wasn't a destructi
e bug,
>it was a "quirk" in combat, so it seemed, where if you were fighting a p
g, for
>example, and a cityguard jumps in & hits you, you kill off the pig, and 
ou can
>simply walk away from the guard who is still hitting.  So I was about to
shout
>about that, when...
>
><name> shouts 'Keep it to yourself or you lose your shout again'
>You tell <name> 'What, you want me to tell you?'
><name> tells you 'NO, I want you to STOP shouting and so does every one 
lse'
>[....]
>You tell <name> 'I don't see why you're so touchy about the shouting.  P
ople
>make stupid meaningless shhouts al the time'
><name> tells you 'Touchy?  You havent seen touchy.'
>You tell <name> 'May I politely ask:  What's your problem?'
>You tell <name> 'Stop spying on me, please.'
>     (<name> had responded to something I SAID, and <name> was not in th
 room,
>      thus indicating that they were snooping me.)
><name> tells you 'My problem is numerous complaints on you.'
><name> tells you 'And you would be wise NOT to tell me what to do.'
>You tell <name> 'I really don't see why.  People were shouting about Str
et
>Fighter II'
><name> tells you 'Obviously you would not see why.'
>You tell <name> 'Like I said, I shout a lot less than other people.'
>You tell <name> 'I don't see what the big fuss is.'
><name> tells you 'Like i said I have numerous complaints on you.'
>You tell <name> 'Such AS?  Be specific.'
><name> tells you 'I need not be specific.  Enough said.'
>     (That's right, all-mighty gods need not be specific. *sarcasm*)
>You tell <name> 'No, if I'm to correct my problems, there has to be some
>specifics here'
><name> tells you 'I SAID not.  Zip it or I'll muzzle you.'
>[end of log]
>
>Soon thereafter <name> muzzled me & I went to buy a puppy to order it to
shout.
>:)  But it didn't work (you can only order your pets to shout when you a
e
>NOT muzzled.  If you are muzzled, you can't order your pets).  And so I 
ogged
>in as another character, left a nice little polite goodbye shout (*SNICK
R*),
>which resulted in the destruction of my character. :) (WHEW.  Finally I 
an
>concentrate on school again.) :) (And no, Termie, it wasn't a shout-bomb
  Just
>a goodbye to my friends & damnings to <name>.)
>
>Now yes, I admit that I may have shouted too much.  On one or two occasi
ns, I
>KNOW I shouted too much, but as you can see by the log, it's not entirel
 my
>fault.  <name> refused to point out my "errors," so what the heck was I
>supposed to do?  I figured it wasn't worth the trouble MUDding in the pr
sence
>of such an abusive god, so I decided to turn in my character.
>
>Some final notes.
>Terminator: I never had & still do not have anything against you.
>Wolverine: Good luck when you become a god! :)  Don't become power-craze
!
><name>: Get a life.  If you've got nothing better to do than boss people
around
>like cattle, don't do it at all.  The power has obviously gotten to you,
>apparent by your "I'm a higher-up elitist snob" statements directed at m
, such
>as "I'd advise you not to tell me what to do" and "Zip it or I'll muzzle
you."
>How unreasonable!  Get a dictionary and look up the words "reason" and
>"rationality."  Thanks. *acidic smile*
>
>To all of you netters!: Sorry if this post wastes your time, everyone.  
 just
>had to get all this stuff off my mind.  Losing my 9lv. fighter sucked. :
  But
>it was worth it, I suppose.
>
>========================================================================
====
>NO flames, please.  I'm sure most of you can relate to my situation.  Th

>feeling of a "I have power, so I'll use it at all times" god breathing d
wn
>your neck is rather unpleasant. :6
>========================================================================
====
>
>P.S.: Nice to see you locked out *.ucs.indiana.edu, <name>.  Two of my f
iends,
>devoted ApocII players, won't be happy at ALL.  But then again, when did
you
>ever care about anyone but yourself?
>
>P.P.S.: The moral of the story?  Get to know the gods before you devote 
our-
>self to a particular Diku. *grin*
>
>-- 
>Sam Hulick         \ "The greatest of evils and the worst of crimes is
>shulick@indiana.edu \ poverty."  --George Bernard Shaw
>(NeXT mail welcome) /



Well you're not the only one who has had difficulties dealing with
the "gods" on Apocalypse.  The ONLY decent one there that I have ever
spoken to has also been Terminator.  Destiny (Ms. Perry) is the most
crass rude bitch I've ever met but she gets off on being called that
sort of stuff.  As for Chris...well he just gets off...I've TRIED
asking a few questions when I logged on, relatively new to mudding
and all I got was bitched at by these intolerant idiots.  Yeah their
MUD is the standard diku with a few little cutesey frills added in,
but many mortals on there are assholes and precious few immortals
on there AREN'T assholes.  Wake up Apoc shits!  Your mud isn't so
great that it will make up for the attitudes of the people you let
play it.

Liz