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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:46:38 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney) writes:
>
>OK we were shooting the shit and the question came up about
>turbolifts. How many are there? How come no one has to
>wait for one? And if I'm using one can someone of higher
>rank pre-empt(sp) me?

The obvious answer is that since Star Trek takes place in the future,
all the TNG scripts are stored in the ENTERPRISE's computer.
Therefore, the computer just works out where the turbolift needs to be
at that point in the story, and makes sure there's one available.


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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:58:14 EDT
From: Robert W. Barnard <RB6551A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: holo deck
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  Seems to me thatifthecomputer can adjust visual scale for distance it could a
lter the way light is reflected/refracted in such a way as to obscure one parti
cipant in a holo-jaunt from another.  In effect each would be cloaked relative
to the other pending changes in position with regard to the holo-setting.


--Bob Barnard (RB6551a@auvm.american.edu)
From: Sean D. Ackley <su@prag.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Bluescreen mistake/badly done?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:19:19 PDT
Reply-To: su@prag.com (Sean D. Ackley)
Distribution: world
Organization: PRA Group International (510-732-9895)


I noticed in the latest episode "Relics" that when Scotty walks into
the holodeck for the first time to the old Enterprise bridge the
matting/blue screen work was not up to par with the other episodes.

Usually they do a good transition job.  Any explanations?


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From: tkeiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony L Keiser)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:16:49 GMT
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:47:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Oct16.184746.21261
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Oct15.025246.14460@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>According to the tech manual, at warp 9 the warp field is 1516 cochranes
>and the power usage is 2*10^7 megajoules/cochrane.
>
>Thus, at warp 9 the ship is producing 30,000 terawatts of power.
>
>I think there are two explanations for the line:
>
>	#1 tech manual wasn't written yet and the line sounded good to
>	the writer
>
>	#2 the maximum power load across the medium range subspace 	
>	emitters is only 143 MW.  Even if the long range emitters 
>	are 100 time more powerful (the exact figure is not given)
>	that is only 0.014 TW.  Maybe Data meant to say "That's more
>	power than our emitters can channel" but a cosmic ray hit is
>	speech processor. :-)
>
>By the way, at warp 9, producing 30,0000TW of power, what is the antimatter
>consumption rate?
>
>Answer: 330 grams per second!
>
>Talk about CAFE standards!

That would mean a trip from earth to Alpha Centauri (~4.3 Lyrs), Taking
~84753 second (just less than a Solar Day) would consume 27,968,490 grams
of antimatter fuel, thats nearly 28 metric tons for such a short trip.

Please point out any errors I might have....:-)

Gary

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: warp overshoot
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <13OCT199204254488@jane.uh.edu>, cosc1871@jane.uh.edu (92F06787) writes...
>In article <1bcd32INN209@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, lawson@ecst.csuchico.edu (M. Todd Lawson) writes...
>> 
>>  Ok, This may have been answered earlier, but...
>> 
>>  When the ship is travelling at warp 7 or 8 and they come up on a planet,
>>  a few micro-seconds will put them light-years away from the planet they
>>  want to stop at. #1 always just says "Take us out of warp, Data" or some-
>>  thing to that effect. Just those words wouyld send them past out entire
>>  solar system.
>> 
>>  Just curious,
>> 
>>  Todd.
>> 
	The navigator probably informs the Captain BEFORE they are at their
destination," We are APPROACHING  ...... Cap'tn"    giving time for the
officer in charge to issue new orders : Scan before we get there, orbit, shields
up etc.
	This is par for course in todays Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines,
If the navigators on  a (Sub, Airplane, Ship)- said: Hey Capt'n we juuuuuust
passed over our destination- I bet He'd be awfully PO'd especially if it
were a sub and there were those pesky rock formations around!

		Jim
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From: cosc1871@jane.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: a question....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.214639.1116@pro-freedom.cts.com>, kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger) writes...
>this is something that has bugging me for a while:
> 
>suppose your average little starship, while cruising through space
>encounters a borg ship. with your life (among others) in jeopardy you
>search for those frantic options that may yet save the day. then someone
>suggests you employ old-fashioned thermo-nuclear bombs to resolve the
>matter.
>since it is pretty much a given that the borg seemingly do not care if you
>beam over to their ship, what if you beam over one or more H-bombs (lets go
>for maximum efficency...) sealed in cases rigged to detonate if anyone
>where to try to open them (just in case..) and then detonate them as you
>move away. now, if this is late 20th century H-bomb it would have a yield
>of (approx.) 120 megatons. a spread of a dozen or so propably would be
>enough to cause massive damage upon detonation alone. but say the borg are
>able to withstand even such a large scale attack from within - they still
>face the side effect of a massive electro magnetic current that would fry
>any electrical circuit in use at the time. given the fact that the borg
>ships are seemingly constructed of electric circutry, we could assume that
>they would quite incapacitated and could be made subject to further attacks
>in case some redundant circuits are activated. this would seem to be a
>surefire way to bag a borg. why hasn't anyone considered this as an option?
>in BOBW they say it'll another two years untill they'll have something
>online to do the job. could anyone explain to me why using nukes won't
>work?
> 

Shhhhhh!  That's a great idea!  
Several problems though, the Enterprise normally doesn't carry nuclear 
explosives (except for certain romulan ships..) and the Borg are already
familiar with the the transporters now.  They tend not to get suckered in
twice :)
Besides, what would stop a Borg ship from beaming onto another ship and
taking it ove?  Especially since they don't care about the other guys shields?
As far as I can tell, the Borgs have a lot of potential for mischief but they
are very underused :)

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From: emartin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric M Martin)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:14:36 GMT


     You know how a turbolift usually appears as soon as someone needs to get 
on.  Well a friend and I found on a certain episode (TA1) that Troi and Riker 
had to wait for about 31 seconds before one showed up.  Granted that they had 
to wait because the writers thought it necessary to have that conversation, I 
still think that was a little long to wait for a turbolift.
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From: liebea@vccsouth13.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred Lieberman)
Subject: Re: Eating within the Holodeck
Reply-To: liebea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:19:39 GMT

In article <1093@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
|> swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) writes:
|> :    Now if a member of the crew was to _live_ on the
|> : holodeck for an extended period, eating the food 
|> : created by the holodeck, would the holodeck 
|> : projection system claim back it's molecules???
|> : 
|> : chengster
|> 
|> 	Well I think that Riker would have Warf sent down with a fire hose
|> or the 25 cen equivalent to wake the person in question up for
|> duty...

     But a person (in the broad sense) the Enterprise is merely transporting may
want to live on the holodeck to get an environment just like home.
     I'm relieved to hear that holodeck food is real.  The idea of eating,
digesting, and incorporating matter that may be reclaimed by the holodeck is
really scary.  Consult Dr. Crusher.

                                      -Adam Lieberman
                                       liebea@rpi.edu

P.S. How easy is it for a simulated holodeck person to eat real food?
From: 02maferguson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Time-travel and the Enterprise
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct13.161000.10533

Hello

    Could anyone give me any detailed information on the various forms of
Time travel used by the Enterprise and her crew(TOS & TNG).
What was the purpose it why it was used?


Thank You 

-M-
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Lame?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:32:01 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

: > Was it just me, or did other find " A Man of the People" to be a
: > terribly lame episode?

	It was pretty predictable...They need to get a war started or
	something. Bring back the Romulans and their little attempts to
	get to picard. What ever happened to the little half Romulan
	half terran vixen???

		Ryan
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From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:48:01 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <Bvpttu.Gt4@comp.vuw.ac.nz> (rec.arts.startrek.tech), Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks) writes:
] In article <dnrzc=d@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
] >
] >  Hmmmm...I always thought the secondary hull was a 'outer layer' and a
] >literal second hull, to absorb shocks and prevent them from affecting the
] >crew.  So, it sorta looks like this:
] >
] >Crew Lives Here    |  (Hull)   |  (Secondary Hull)       Space
] 
]    I kinda hope not.. The last ship that had that hull scheme seemed to have
] real trouble avoiding icebergs.... :-)

Well, that's a really cute comment, but fact is, tankers are being refitted
as we speak with that design to be more durable.  (that nasty Alaska spill,
you know).

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From: lawson@ecst.csuchico.edu (M. Todd Lawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: holo deck
Date: 12 Oct 1992 17:47:20 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: world
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    Speaking of holo decks, here's another question:

   If the holo deck is only 30 x 30 feet approx., Why is it that one
  person can be inside and another person will enter but be a mile away
  from the first person? Shouldn't the second person enter 20 or so feet
  away from the first?

  Thanks,
  Todd.

  Lawson@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu



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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:54:20 EDT
From: <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"

The Episode was "The Dauphin" I believe. And how's to say how much
powere is required to generate a Terawatt of *SUBSPACE* broadcast energy.


--A.
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:34:40 GMT

>In article <7075@transfer.stratus.com>, asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com
>(Andy Sweeney) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OK we were shooting the shit and the question came up about
>> turbolifts. How many are there? How come no one has to
>> wait for one? And if I'm using one can someone of higher
>> rank pre-empt(sp) me?
>> 
>> Just once I'd like to see them have to wait for a lift.:-)
>> 
>> Could you email your response I don't get to
>> read the net that often lately.
>> 

Two more questions. (1) The little window in the back of the turbolift usually
would seem to indicate that you are going up/down. Sometimes, though the light
pattern moves sideways. (In some TOS episodes the pattern changed direction by
90 degrees during mid ride). (2) Why do I never see anyone taking the stairs?
I hate it when people use the elevator I'm on just to go up one flight.
-- 
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From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: News question.
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:48:58 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <12OCT199202050452@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (DICKENJD) writes:
>In article <0vyzppa@rpi.edu>, liebea@rpi.edu writes...
>>     Obviously, all the necessary functions of TV have been taken up by newer
>>technology.  News can be transmitted via subspace, collected by a computer,
>>and accessed with a suitable newsreader:-).

>	Somthing like this: "Computer! Please read newsgroup Starfleet
>News Current." Then the computer gives you your news articles. Just             imagine what Usenet would be like if it spanned the entire 
>Federation and all of it's ships/outposts/science stations/etc. and
>included simultaneous text/audio/three dimensional video/file 
>packets/etc. 'Twould be pretty nifty...;-)

I'm not so sure it would be that "nifty". Imagine - many groups
receive 50-100 messages per day, and that's from several million users.

What if we were talking about several trillion users? that's a 
million-fold increase in the number of users. Do you think you
could get through 100 million posts per day for a single sub?

Maybe we would just have REALLY specific newsgroups like:

rec.arts.startrek.crew.officers.picard.clothes.onduty.jacket.buttons

where we would only discuss the buttons on Picard's jacket,
and we'd only have in the neighborhood of 1,000 or so posts per day.

maybe...

rec.art.startrek.tech.simu.holodeck.spatialrep.limit.exceed.rope

where we could discuss how a holodeck might create the illusion
of a rope being held by two crewmembers farther apart then the 
size of the holodeck. imagine that...a newsgroup for just that one
thing. i think it can work. someone should start beaming usenet towards
the stars.

william@cs.arizona.edu

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:28:03 GMT

In article <BvuHJI.C7u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero) writes:
>Regarding this turbolift question, in Star Trek V: TFF, when Spock had
>the killer speed boots and was carrying McCoy and Kirk up the defective
>turboshaft, didn't the deck numbers increase on the way up? They ended
>up near deck 78 or something.
>
>I thought the deck numbers descended from deck 1, which was the bridge.

That scene is considered the worst part of the movie, which was declared
"non-canon"... the E cannot possibly have 78 decks, for several reason:

1.  It would be larger than 1701-D, which has 40-something decks
2.  That 78-deck shaft was *straight up*!  the hight point on the ship 
    is not directly above the low point!  that means, to be in scale,
    the E would need something like 110 decks...
3.  Looking at shots of shuttlepods docking, it is clear that the docking
    ports are 7-8 feet tall... take any photo and a ruler and you'll see
    that 100 times that distance just doesn't work.
4.  (some will think this reason is worthless, but...) the E was always
    intended to have something like 20 decks, according to the Making of
    ST, Roddenberry-approved blueprints, etc.
5.  Kirk and his Merry Men, while in the shaft, passed those decks in a
    seemingly random order due to sloppy editing.  It's therefore safe
    to assume the whole scene was wrong.

Why were there 78 decks?  Shatner.  Mike Okuda told him there were only
22 decks on the E, but Shatner insisted on 78, because it was "more
dramatic."  (got news for ya, BS... "big numbers" != "instant drama")

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From: petitc@nuge108.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Shield Question
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:26:46 GMT


 We all know that the shield generators are effected through conduits inside the
hull.  So, what happens when the E. is hit.  Do the shields just plain collapse,
since the shield 'bubble' is no longer symmetric?  Or are the areas that still
have the hull protected.  I'd assume it's the former, since they mention in the
TM that the shields make a massive spatial distortion, and it wouldn't work
if part of the bubble were missing.

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From: cosc1871@elroy.uh.edu (92F06787)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: a question....
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.14OCT199221141780
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92288.190507RB6551A@auvm.american.edu>, Robert W. Barnard <RB6551A@auvm.american.edu> writes...
[stuff deleted regarding intelligence of Borgs when dealing with threats...
and Picard (as Locutus) underestimating the capabilities of one shuttle.]

What you said is very logical, but I think the Borgs aren't that *smart*.
The ship (without Locutus) had plenty of oppurtunities to blast the daylights
out of poor old E-D if I recall... And I still haven't justified why yet :)
But, they seem to have a horrible weakness stemming from the episode with
'Hugh' in it.  Seemd to me that they ignore individuals in 99% of the cases.
Not only that, in the beginning episode where we first see the Borg whenever
they go into 'regeneration' mode they are oblivious to all else around it.
Seems to me like an excellent time to beam in a bomb.  A real *big* bomb.

On the point that Locutus muddled with the Borg's tactics, I think that
maybe he might not have... (I could be wrong) but I think they really 
didn't notice the shuttlecraft penetrating the beaming shield.  Of course,
that may be a writer's fluke :)  But if that's the case, why not launch
a hole bunch of kamikaze shuttles under a unmbrella of discharging antimatter
and have them all beam into the Borg ship harmless cases oftimatter and
beam the cases back out again at strategic points.  Once the Borg is internally
damaged, it's practically a sitting duck from what I've seen (hey they've been
consistent here) and finish it off.

*For those who have read the Kobyashi Maru, you'll get my joke from Scotty's
 test :)
From: yossie@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:46:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: unixhub.Bw15yC.1yu
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <4ryz0w=@rpi.edu> liebea@rpi.edu writes:
>the brig, and, for some reason, the holodeck.  The heavy-duty doors look airtight

Well, at least in one episode it was mentioned that shutting down the
holodeck by cutting power would result in the people in it being lost
somehow.  Maybe the holodecks work by demat'ing people in the them
and then playing games with the patterns (thus the unlimited size of
them.)  Having the doors airtight might be to keep ordinary matter from
getting in/out while the program is in operation.  Just a notion. :-)

- Yossie
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Transporter Energy
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 04:55:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct14.020452.23906@cs.sandia.gov> jhgreen@cs.sandia.gov (Jethro H. Greene) writes:
>I have read the tech manual and I never fully understood why the transporter
>takes energy.  It converts matter into energy and then energy into matter.
>Shouldn't it break even?

Here's a simple experiment. Pick up a brick. Carry it two meters.
Put it down. You used energy.

Put the brick on a bicycle, and carry it across the continent.
More enegry, but it gets there.

Send the same brick back on a plane. It gets there a LOT faster,
but uses a lot more energy as well.

>  However, I assume that it is not totally efficient
>and loses a lot of energy.  But if the transporter has to supplement energy
>then why can't it supplement a whole lot more energy and make a whole lot
>more people?  Finally, wouldn't it be possible to start the beam up process
>with something like a rock, forget rematerializing it, and keep the extra
>energy?

The matter is not converted to energy. The matter is moved
along a subspace field through the annular confinement beam in an
'Energy-like state' - ie, on a quantum level, the matter is
travelling in waves (from an external point of view, of course)
instead of particles. (well, more like waves than normal, how's
that? :)

Joshua
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.234021.29944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tkeiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony L Keiser) writes:
>          I wasn't aware that the old E even had 80 some decks the E-D only has
>42.  This has bothered me for some time.

It doesn't. It was shown in STV that the Ent-A has 80 decks, which, as we all
know, was just a dream had by Yeoman Janice Rand. Remember the scene at the end
when she wakes up in her cabin and finds Captain Kirk in her sonic shower?


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