From: goehring@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Yet Another Mud Reorganization Proposal
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:47:35 GMT
Reply-To: goehring@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

sterling@netcom.com writes:

>1.     rec.games.mud.info (moderated)

Names mean little to me... either .info or .announce is acceptable.  I
think I favor the latter, but only marginally so.

>The only proposed moderator I've seen for such a group is Scott
>Goehring.  For many reasons, some of them obvious to those who read
>his recent posts in r.g.m., I would vote a strong NO for this group
>if he moderated it.  I don't feel Scott would be an impartial
>moderator; in fact he's already said as much that he thinks my having
>an account is dangerous, so I don't see why he'd let me post to the
>newsgroup.

Actually, Bruce, I would post anything you sent, assuming it was
appropriate for the group.  If you open a mud, or write some mud code,
I would post your announcement of such in .announce, just as if it had
been from someone else.  On the other hand, I would have rejected your
recent petition regarding FurryMUCK.  Make what you will of this.  I
don't really care *who* posts what.  

On the other hand, I am somewhat offended at the implication that I
would let my personal dislike for you interfere with the discharge of
my responsibilities to the community at large, especially since you
have no basis for such implications.  Even if you do not understand
the concept of social responsibility, I do, and I try to adhere to it
as much as possible.  My position regarding your personal ethics is
quite irrelevant to the position of moderating rec.games.mud.announce.
I did quite expect you to vote against me as moderator, given your
personal grudges against me; publically decrying me wasn't entirely
unexpected either.  Nevertheless, it would be inappropriate for either
of us to carry on further on the topic, as it is quite irrelevant to
the issue at hand.

Anyhow, my qualifications for moderating .announce are mainly based on
the associations I have developed out of maintaining my mudlist.  I am
well-known by a large number of mud admins, and have engendered little
ill-will amongst them, in general.  As an aside, I do not believe that
Bruce has done the same.  I view the fact that I do *not* mud
regularily as a plus, as it makes me more impartial regarding the
politics surrounding any given mud or mud type.  Additional
information is available on request; just ask.  If anybody wishes to
comment on what they think should and should not be posted to
.announce, or wants to have me more clearly define how I would
moderate the group, again, just ask.

[deletions - i am abstaining from comment on the topical splits]

>6.     rec.games.mud -> rec.games.mud.misc

>Rename it.  This gives us a group to contain all the traffic other
>groups do not, under a name people won't post lp or diku specific
>questions to.  This is also the place for flamewars to go when things
>get out of hand in r.g.m.  issues, and for questions about servers
>that don't have (or need) their own groups, such as moo.

I have in the past remained silent on the other rename issues, but
I've decided to make a statement regarding this one.  Rename it.  The
argument that it will cause problems with sites that won't change it
is, in my opinion, minor.  Rec.arts.startrek handled their renaming
well enough, or so it seems.  Rec.games.mud can handle being .misc'ed.

If we cannot reach a consensus by the time the CFV rolls around, let
us at least run rec.games.mud.announce (or .info, I don't really
care), and maybe .misc.  I don't want to see the .announce proposal
fall by the wayside again because of bickering over unrelated issues.
--
As to Jesus of Nazareth.... I think the system of Morals and his religion, as
he left them to us, the best the world has saw or is likely to see; but I
apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of
the dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity.  -- Ben Franklin