HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: UNIMPLOYMENT
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:39:42 GMT

In <Bvv1nz.Mnp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman) writes:

>LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
>: In article <901003l.17.718469027@ace.acadiau.ca>, 901003l@ace.acadiau.ca (MISHA LEBLANC)    writes...
>: >Can someone please give me a comprehensive unimployment rate for Canada as 
>: >well as each province.
>: > 
>: >Can you include the numbers of persons not seeking work.
>: >		the # of persons working recieving less than $ 10 000. 
>: >		those who cant work.
>: >Finally can you give me sources.
>: >thankyou
>: > 
>: >Misha LeBlanc
>: 
>: What is an imployment?  Do you mean unemployment rate?  In that case the
>: figure is 25,000,000 and i have included those who don't do anything useful.

This coming from an Englishman, with their "workforce", Laurence you must be
joking. And if you are an Englishman living in England, how come your
address doesn't say .uk? I know that as a taxpayer I regard the SSC as
a total waste of money, but if we are employing British techies on this
project it really is a waste of money.

>If you have nothing to add to a discussion but pseduo-humour and hate, why
>not go elsewhere? (I have some suggestions...)

>--
>Don Bowman                (519) 744-6154     dbowman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca

REB.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:7499 rec.travel.air:5169 can.general:4889
From: gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.travel.air,can.general
Subject: Re: Closed Flights
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:58:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: casper.Bw5qDK.CyM
Reply-To: gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>I took a flight  from Cairns  (Australia)  to  Sydney  and it  was  an
>international flight similar to the one described above. In this case,
>they  let domestic passengers on board.   Qantas gave us big green 'D'
>stickers   on our boarding   passes.  We  arrived in  Sydney  we found
>ourselves inside the customs area.  We  went right around the  side of
>the customs checkpoints with no checks because we had the 'D' stickers
>that we had to turn  in.  (I asked  to keep my boarding pass  and they
>ripped the 'D' part off of it.) I think the flight continued on to New
>Zealand, Don't know if Cairns was the  origin,  but it  sure was weird
>going around customs like that.

Also an excellent opportunity for two collaborators to smuggle something
that can be carried as handbaggage into Australia (provided of course 
that the flight originated outside Australia).
-- 
Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com (Anthony Maillard)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:24:18 GMT

My apologies Mr. Robinson.

Anthony

In article <1992Oct13.161433.236@mdivax1.uucp>, robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim
Robinson) wrote:
> 
> Anthony Maillard (Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com) wrote:
> >In article <1992Oct9.203220.3156@mdivax1.uucp>, robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim
> >Robinson) wrote:
> >> 
> >> LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
> >> >In article <1992Oct9.065258.12434@schbbs.mot.com>, RNM192@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Irene Pan)    writes...
> >> >>I will move to Canada just in few weeks from Japan.  I would appreciate
> >> >>if anyone can tell me more about Canada.  Since I will be living in
> >> >>Toronto for only eight months, I would like to know something like where
> >> >>to shop , where to go for sightseeing and the lifestyle in Toronto.
> >> >>I would also like to know which church I can go on Sunday since I won't
> >> >>have a car while I stay in Toronto.
> >> >>Please send those information to me through EMail.
> >> >>Thanks in advance!
> >> >> 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You have my sympathy - Canada is an extremely boring and mediocre country, and 
> >> >Toronto is extremely cold.  Could you not have chosen an 8 months period
> >> >that did not encompass the whole of winter?
> >> 
> >> Vancouver is even more boring, mediocre, and cold than TO. Please do not
> >> even *think* about visiting, let alone moving here.
> >> 
> >> :-)
> >> -- 
> >> Jim Robinson
> >> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
> >> {ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson
> >
> >For your information Mr. Robinson, the temperature in Vancouver rarely
> >achieves the highes or lows as in Toronto.   Obviously one of those people
> >who should be living in IOWA.
> 
> I'm really sorry, but I thought that one ':-)' was enough. If it helps,
> please append the following to my previous post:
>    :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
> 
> I guess that I should also add that even though Toronto is a nice city, as
> far as north east North American cities go, after having lived there for
> about nine years in total I am quite happy to be again living in Vancouver
> (going on 5 years in total now).
> 
> [Nontheless, Vancouver really sucks, so please don't waste your time
> visiting, Laurence. :-) ]
> -- 
> Jim Robinson
> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
> {ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIAN WHO LIVE IN TORONTO!!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:42:07 GMT

In <9OCT199206080694@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

[ negativist ranting deleted ]

>By the way I am English, not American, so this is an entirely objective
>apraisal!!

"Entirely objective" probably means he has never set foot in Toronto.
-- 
Flesh: John Coughlin                            Elvis ate my Cadillac
Net: wcsjc@ccs.carleton.ca     Vox: +1 613 957-2851     Fax: 990-7370
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Join the U.S. ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:50:29 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Oct14.150113.7048@brtph560.bnr.ca>, alex writes:
> A few months ago I heard that in case Quebec votes against the agreement
> in the referendum of October 16th, the premiers of English Cananda would
> opt to join the United States, rather than having a truncated country, 
> with Atlantic Canada being separated from the rest.
> 
> I remember where I heard it. It was on CSPAN, when one of the premiers
> from English Canada was addressing some trade organization.
> 
> Is it true? If that happens it will be great! I wonder what they'll
> the country and what happens to the constitution, etc.. ..


Yes, I remember this came out just after the failure of Meech Lake.
Bucanan, who was then premier of Nova Scotia, mentioned that N.S. might
look into joining the States.

The reaction of the people was, shall we say, less than 100% enthusiastic.

I believe that one of the phrases was "I'd rather slit my own throat, 
thank you."


Pesonally, while I think the States is quite a nice place to visit, there's
no WAY I'm going to live there, nor will I be a citizen there. I'll move
to England or France first.

Later!
Mike "I wonder if I could get refugee status..." 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: TO ALL CANADIANS
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:29:59 GMT

(Anthony Maillard) writes:
>This really makes me sick.   Let's address it this way....
	
	You are the second jerk, M. Maillard, who assumed Sir Laurence
Godawful to be an American _despite_ his explicit statement to the contrary.

>Why do most Americans hate Canada or Canadians?  

	There is no one here who bothers to hate Canada or Canadians. 
What ill-will does exist has in recent years been largely a product of
the type of Canadian nationalism which defines itself soley in the 
context of being 'other' than American, 'other' than US. If there is
ill-will against you and yours m'dear, you may be certain it is:

	Because far too many Canadians make a life's work out of slagging
on us. Because even among the civil and intelligent among you, this is
considered socially acceptable behavior. Because the concept of 
'Oppressive America' is frequently used as an excuse for Canadians to 
avoid confronting real and pressing internal political/social problems.

>Is it because the educational system is better in Canada?  


	This is anecdotally considered to be the case. But you and
Hatton certainly give evidence to the contrary.



>Why do people in the rest of the world hate Americans?
>Is it because where-ever Americans go on vacation they have to be the most
>obnoxious?
>Could it be that they just have to insult the natives all the time?
>Could it be that they have to be THE LOUDEST, THE GROSS-EST, THE MOST
>INSULTING person in the place.
>Why you ask....?   'Cause we're Amerika and we could take over you little
>country if we wanted to. I'll just get some of my Marine friends and we'll
>DO this town. Hell, we'll do the whole country.............HA HA HA HA HA
>Ha!!!!!!  
>
>Anthony 

	You are really a contemptible asshole. Doubtless the kind
of Canadian who regularly makes a pig of himself abroad, while only
the Americans' reputation pays the price for it.

	The real pity of this post is that, on the off chance that 
anyone else censures you for it, I can be nearly certain it won't
be one of your compatriots. This sort of anti-American jingoism 
is far too politically acceptable for them to notice its
intrinsic offensiveness.
--
======================================================================
|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: dekoning@frcl.bull.fr (Gerard de Koning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Why can't I vote?
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:08:52 GMT
Organization: Bull, Les Clayes, France

The information I received from the Canadian embassy in Paris, is as follows:

 Canadians, who come from Quebec and are temporarily living abroad, 
 may vote in the referendum.

 Canadians, who come from the rest of Canada and are temporarily living abroad,
 may NOT vote in the referendum.

Apparently, this has something to do with provincial referendum legislation
taking precedence and Quebec was the only jurisdiction to remember those
living abroad.

If this is correct, this is totally unacceptable.  For a national referendum,
all Canadians should have an equal right to participate.  And for a long-term
issue, such as the constitution, those Canadians who expect be return to Canada
have as much interest as anyone in the future of the our country.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Gerard de Koning                    Email:  G.deKoning@bull.com
Bull, rue Jean-Jaures,              Phone:  33-1-30.80.70.25
78340 Les Clayes sous Bois, France    Fax:  33-1-30.80.70.78
---------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: 901003l@ace.acadiau.ca (MISHA LEBLANC)
Subject: UNIMPLOYMENT
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:43:47 GMT

Can someone please give me a comprehensive unimployment rate for Canada as 
well as each province.

Can you include the numbers of persons not seeking work.
		the # of persons working recieving less than $ 10 000. 
		those who cant work.
Finally can you give me sources.
thankyou

Misha LeBlanc
901003l@ace.acadiau.ca
From: yyg8104@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Y. Yang)
Subject: Mount Allison University
Summary: help needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:00:48 GMT
Keywords: help needed


Hi, there. I am looking for the email address of the following person :

    Prof. Elmer M. TROY
    Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science
    Mount Allison Univ.
    Sackville, New Brunswick

If you know his email address, please let me know. Thanx in advance.

Y. Yang 
Univ. of Illinois
Urbana, Illinois, USA

yyg8104@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada's country code?
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:45:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <pavalin-071092140406@47.168.128.243> pavalin@bnr.ca (Paul Valin) writes:

> Theodore A. Kaldis:

>> In fact, the country code for Canada is "002".

> Unless Canada has picked up and moved to Africa,

Canada has not picked up and moved to Africa (at least not yet).
African countries have 2- or 3-digit codes that begin with "2".

> I doubt that the country code is '2'.  Where did you get this idea?

In Athens.  I had occasion to call Canada when I was there in 1990 and
this was the country code I was told to use for that call.
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: What about the Canadians?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:22:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: teal

In article <1992Oct9.144728.18864@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes:
>	But while we're on this flight of fancy, it's worth considering
>that Montreal would probably have to rename it's team.... "Les Canadiens"
>might not cut it any more.  Peut-t'etre "Les Habitants", ou "Les
>Quebecois", ou "Les Souvraintistes"?  (pardon the spelling, SVP)

No, the Habs' organization has said publicly that they will always be
called the Canadiens. Residents of a separate Quebec have as much right
to call themselves Canadian(en) as the rest of Canada. 

Besides, last time I was in Calgary, I looked at a book in the "Canadianna"
section of a bookstore that discussed geography after Quebec separation. 
The author suggested that Montreal itself might be carved up into sectors
each governed by Ottawa or by Quebec City. Perhaps his proposed map had
the Forum in the Ottawa sector!

	-Mike Eisler
	mre@Eng.Sun.Com
From: kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada's country code?
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:45:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <8OCT199215252779@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>>> I doubt that the country code is '2'.  Where did you get this idea?

>> In Athens.  I had occasion to call Canada when I was there in 1990 and
>> this was the country code I was told to use for that call.

> How braindead can you get?

The Greek telephone system is (arguably, but not very) a good example.

> Do you think a telephone system (even a Greek one) can distinguish
> between 002 followed by the first two digits of a Canadian area code
> and 002 followed by the last two digits of an African country code?

I'm not sure exactly how country codes work in Greece, but I would
imagine that the first "0" is for international access and "02" is for
Canada.  All I know is that I dialed "002 514 XXX XXXX" and the call
went through correctly to Montreal (not to some mud hut in Ethiopia).
"001" would probably cause the call to be routed through the U.S. --
and probably incur extra long distance charges to the originating
telephone account.
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bkt@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Barrie Trinkle)
Subject: Does Canada sell immigration permits?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:14:30 GMT

Today's Wall Street Journal has an editorial by Gary Becker (who
won the Nobel Prize in economics yesterday) touting the advantages
of an immigration system in which permits are auctioned.  He
cites Canada as an example of a country which currently sells permits,
"although in a partial and elitist fashion."  Does anyone know what he
means?  Are immigration permits available for money in Canada, and if
so, for how much and to whom and under what conditions?
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------
..nothing is so fatal to maidenly delicacy of speech as the run of 
a good library.
				Robertson Davies, _Tempest Tost_
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: |*| 50 years ago -- October 11, 1942 : The St. Roch |*|
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:14:46 GMT

In article <1bcjd2INNqps@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:

   50 years ago on October 11th, 1942, the St. Roch completed 
   the Northwest Passage West to East and sailed into the port of Halifax.

   The voyage, taking 28 months, ensured Canada of complete
   sovereignty of east-west passage through the Arctic.

Does anyone know how many countries recognize Canadian sovereignty of
the passage?  I know that the US doesn't.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: UNIMPLOYMENT
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:53:59 GMT


Yesterday I made some unkind references to British technology in this
thread. What can I say, it was monday, bloody monday, and Laurence's
assinine comments suckered me into the same level of behaviour.

Consider my remarks withdrawn, especially since I come from a long
line of Yorkshiremen myself :-/.

I should know better at my age than to let the few a**holes who
post in this group get my goat. Having lived and travelled ex-
tensiveley in both Canada and the United States I know that the
vast majority of their citizens are decent, friendly, hard-
working people. Since the media only seems interested in giving
us bad news, there is little coverage of the good bits. However,
because we don't see them doesn't mean they aren't out there.

So my apologies to those who were offended by my unthought
response.

We now resume your regular programming.

Bob.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Registration for the Referendum from outside the country
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:38:00 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

In refd article, cpaulse@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chris D Paulse) writes:
>How do I register for the referendum from here in Ohio?

With extreme difficulty!

Non-residents have no voting rights, and, according to the enumerators that
came to my door a couple of weeks ago, yesterday was the last chance for
electoral roll changes

There doesn't seem to even be any provision for a mail-in vote if you are
temporarily away, although there is an advance poll the weekend before.

Compare this to the UK, where even after an absence of 16 years I can still
vote (by proxy), and so can my son who was 4 when we left!

It's interesting to compare the enumeration process here in Canada with
that in the U.S.  where for example, each individual must specifically
claim his right to vote by registering.

Here the government creates the electoral roll prior to each election by
canvassing door to door, actually returning once if they find no-one in.
If they still get no response, a form is left giving information on where
to go to register.  This doesn't always work as well as it should of
course, but there is always advertizing in the media at the time of the
enumeration, giving the same information.
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  dunn@cam.org          |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
From: smith@gramian.harvard.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US Constitution and Slaves
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:40:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: gramian.SMITH.92Oct16094026
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

> It might have been already said, but I just wanted to illustrate that
> until the 16th Amendment, the allocation of House Representative seats
> followed the following rule:

Actually, Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment.  The Sixteenth
Amendment allowed the federal government to levy income taxes.  The
Constitution I posted is still somewhere on this newsgroup.

Steven Smith
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:7549 can.politics:8514
From: smith@gramian.harvard.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Individual Rights in the U.S. Constitution
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:32:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: gramian.SMITH.92Oct16093214
	<1992Oct14.205017.11679@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
	<SMITH.92Oct15084144@gramian.harvard.edu>
	<1992Oct15.205033.4409@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Distribution: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins) writes:

> If the 19th clarified that women were citizens (something I still
> see as redundant) why do you say only NEAR universal adult suffrage
> is provided.  Who's left out now?

Again:  Many people were citizens.  They enjoyed all freedoms and
protections of the Constitution.  Not all of them enjoyed the right to
vote.  The Fourteenth Amendment extended the franchise to all males of
at least twenty-one years in age.

Convicted felons and traitors do not have the right to vote.  (I
believe this is a complete list.)

Steven Smith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Looking for Lorne Switzer
From: comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:33:29 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

I am looking for an email address for Lorne Switzer.  I think he is at Ben
Gurion University in Israel, but was at a Canadian University.  I had the
address switz@bgunv.bgu.ac.il but it gets returned with 'illegal address.'

jj

John Thayer Jensen                      64 9 373 7599 ext. 7543
Commerce Computer Services              64 9 373 7437 (FAX)
Auckland University                     jt.jensen@aukuni.ac.nz
Private Bag 92019
AUCKLAND
New Zealand
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada