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From: mummy@stortek.com (Geoffrey A. Hungerford x5385)
Subject: Re: disc golf vocab
Organization: StorageTek
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:15:10 GMT

To: non-discgolfer

I'm not much of a Pro, but I'm definitely old.

There are two angles of primary concern at the point where the
disc (or Bee) last touches your fingertips as you release your
throw:  Hyzer angle and Mung angle.

If I skip the scientific stuff, you can picture these two angles
if you imagine yourself riding on the disc, facing forward, in the
same way as you ride in a commercial aircraft.  At take-off, the wings
are parallel and the nose of the plane is pointed straight up, this is the
situation where there is no hyzer and lots of mung.  It is the disc
equivalent of an airbounce.

Now picture a point in the flight where the plane is flying flat
(you can drink coffee now and use the bathroom), but the pilot
chooses to turn left:  the left wing dips down and the right wing
rises up, this is "positive" hyzer, if you are a right hander throwing 
a backhand.  If the pilot turns right, it is called anhyzer, again to
a right-handed backhand.  Anhyzer is the roll angle.  If you do it using
something fairly unstable, like a Stingray, the disc will roll when it lands.

Whether a disc has hyzer or anhyzer depends on the spin, so that's why I
qualify with "right-handed backhand" and such.

Anyone out there who is willing to admit they are older than me can correct
me on this one, isn't the word "hyzer" a mis-spelling of the actual
aerospace terminology, "Heiser", which is actually the name of the German
who did much of the original mathematical models for fixed-wing aerodynamics?

- Geoff Hungerford






From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: April Fools Fest

(I hope this isn't a repetition, but I think "Daemon" lost my last
copy of this)

Would anyone here like to compete in the April Fools Festival?
As you may, or may not know, it is a *FUN* tourney, where most of
the teams are reunion or other "theme" teams.  You have to apply to
get in, and any teams which are deemed to "competitive" or "lacking
in good spirit" don't have a chance to get it.

Anyways, Mark Licata and I were thinking of ways to get a bid in to
Fools, along some theme which would help get us in to the tourney. 
We think we have it:

               the   REC.SPORT.DISC   team   !!!!

Can't you see it.  Maybe we'll get shirts with pocket protectors,
or fake horn rimmed glasses . . . .

So - I am putting together the 1993 all "rec.sport.disc" team for
Fools.  Anyone here who can respond *SOON* with a fairly definite
commitment (for three days of play) is eligible to play.  (Note,
since the Fools application and fees total $125, I'm looking for a
decent commitment).

Fools will be in Fredericksberg, VA, about an hour south of DC. 
All teams play three days.  (Even if you lose every game on Friday
and Saturday, you still make the quarterfinals of Division III on
Sunday).  It is April 2-4.

The first 18 people that can e-mail me a decent commitment are on
the roster.  Additionally, since I will be using your responses as
part of the application to WAFC, any wit or creativity in your
response to me will be appreciated.

Foolishly yours,

Eric Simon
70540.1522@compuserve.com



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From: Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu>
Subject: What do you call this throw?
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:12:15 GMT

I consider myself a pretty good thrower. I used to be better, but
I think I'm still pretty good. (I also have a fat head.)

In any event, what do you call a throw where you push the frisbee
down and release the frisbee with the leading edge up? I also put
*a lot* of spin on this one.

The result of this technique is first the frisbee almost hits the
ground, and then "magically" climbs until it runs out of steam. I
call this throw my "helicopter throw". It's great for people how want
to spin the disc on their fingers.

Eric Morgan
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: ECCM
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:32:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, 76635.1513@CompuServe.COM (Eric Wenck) says:

>To All Mid-Atlantic Captains:
>
>The letter that was posted on Internet on Monday, Jan 25 is to be mailed
>today Wednesday Jan 27.  This letter includes the directions and other
>pertinant details about the captains' meeting.  I will post the directions
>to the captains' meeting later this week for those of you who may not 
>receive the mailing due to database inaccuracies.  
>
>Once again the captains' meeting is at Yale in New Haven, Conn. on 
>February 14, 1993 (Valentine's Day) starting at 10:00 am REAL WORLD TIME.
>
>There is pickup the day before on the intramural fields at Yale at 1:00 pm
>(this information according to the NE Coordinator) but I imagine there will
>be a good deal of snow on the ground.
>
>
>
Just a question/mild complaint - Why Valentine's Day? Couldn't we try to not
get all of us beleaguered captains in trouble with non-Ultimate playing (or
non-captain) mates? Seeing how in a month or so, many of us will be 
leaving people home Friday night to Sunday night (a time the rest of the 
world considers ideal for spending with a boy/girlfriend, wife/husband) it 
would be nice to be able to have a wonderful, romantic Valentine's Day,
putting aside Ultimate for a day before the season kicks into high gear. 

Could we have the meeting on the 13th and pick-up for all those who want
to stick around on Sunday? It could make a lot of captains very happy.
See everyone at the meeting...

					Chris Lehmann
					U. Penn Void

(o.k. dear, I'm about to post the message, could you put down the gun now?)

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Lehmann	 	 	 ce448@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
University of Pennsylvania	 "When a ball dreams, it dreams 
Breed Ultimate	 	 	 it's a frisbee."
From: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: women
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:23:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


O.K. ...I change my mind (maybe).
now give me some help in getting women to play.
i've got 4 women lined up so far (two are really good)
my problem is, students at this school just don't know about it.
i actually paid for a video and i've taken it to our little cable station,
   and they're graciously goin to show 10-15 minutes on two days in feb.
i'll put up some signs tellin people to watch it.
but what else can i do?  ...how about requiring (for intramurals) every
   team to have a couple women signed up on their roster?
(i'm also thinkin of changin the max #/team rule, too)
i don't see how a roster requirement would say, "women are inferior"

...just think things over (thanks for all the response, too)
marc
-- 
Marc "elvis" Queen
*4th yr Pharmacy student at Ohio Northern*
*Founder of ONU Ultimate Frisbee*
115 1/2 S Main St, Ada, OH 45810  419-634-8013
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Ice disc Re: Snow disc
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:51:51 GMT

Yes we play on ice. We use 110g DDC/guts discs and hockey nets.
Five on five on the ice. One bounce is allowed in passes and to score
you must bounce the disc into the net. A pipe is placed accross the bottom
of the net, if it the disc touches the pipe no goal.

The 110g disc is used 
	1) because they don't break as often as the heavier discs
	2) they don't hurt as much as the heavier discs
	3) they float nicely fitting the style of play that has developed.

When the temperature is below 0'C, 1) and 2) are important. We break about
one disc a night and have broken discs by hitting people ( usually they
break when they hit the boards or the posts ).

Safety means we don't allow 
	1) jumping to make a catch -> both skates of the ice
	2) dives ( can you visualize a layout into the boards or the net )

It is a fun game and plays quickly. With a goal tender goals are hard to 
come by. Floating lead passes work very well.

The hardest path of the game is getting the hockey players off the ice so
we can play.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: what copyright? who me?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:04:52 GMT

In <1993Jan25.221713.16014@news.ysu.edu> ae815@yfn.ysu.edu (Marc Queen) writes:

>anyone got some footage that i could use to show ONU-ers what ultimate is?
>i.e. mail me a tape?  what i got is "the ultimate experience" and there
>seems to be a copyright on that.

I sent Marc a message, but it occurred to me there may be others out there
in a similar situation, or YOU may be in a similar situation, and if you're
in a situation like that, feel free to drop me a note.  We have about an
hour of IU ultimate highlights.  They're not anything close to high-quality
video, but they have no copyright (though I should really say something
about not making money off of them).

-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bloomington, IN)
"Verbing weirds language" - Calvin
From: steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: More Disc Golf Vocab
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:28:18 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

For a right handed person an anhyzer is a shot that PURPOSELY is made to go
from right to left.  Often called a turnover, although a turnover is a shot
that is pushed over by the wind or is just understable due to wear and tear on
the disc.  A turnover is not done on purpose.  Some may not agree though.

IMO
Jason
PDGA #4113

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: aa711@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ken Darcovich)
Subject:  N-sex
Reply-To: aa711@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ken Darcovich)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:39:11 GMT


In a previous article, Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon) says:

>LF>The point of all this is that I think that any rule that treats women as
>LF>2nd class players is a *bad* thing. It can only reinforce this preconception
>LF>and discourage the majority of women from playing.
>
>Women are not second class citizens - but they *are* different from men.
>

the approach in Ottawa city league does not use "women"
in its wording.

for coed play, we say "N-sex" where at least N of each
sex must be on the field at one time.

kd.
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Carlton Ultimate???
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:39:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa



	Can anyone give me a number for Carlton College Ultimate?
	Or if anyone from carlton is reading this drop me a line
	on e-mail.....  thanks

		Billy T.   Iowa Ultimate
From: mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: What do you call this throw?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:49:50 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison

In article <1993Jan27.151215.29304@ncsu.edu> Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu> writes:
>
>In any event, what do you call a throw where you push the frisbee
>down and release the frisbee with the leading edge up? I also put
>*a lot* of spin on this one.
>
>The result of this technique is first the frisbee almost hits the
>ground, and then "magically" climbs until it runs out of steam. I
>call this throw my "helicopter throw". It's great for people how want
>to spin the disc on their fingers.
>
>Eric Morgan

I know this one!  I know this one!
It's an AIR BOUNCE!

Carl Mueller (mueller@math.wisc.edu)
From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: UPA "on-line"

For your general information:

The following UPA Officials have e-mail addresses:

Managing Dir         Cindy Fisher        70744.1562@compuserve.com
Dir of Comptn        Mark Licata         70743.3232@compuserve.com
Women Ntnl Dir       Marie Hartley       75720.2726@compuserve.com
College Ntnl D       Frank Revi          71551.2461@compuserve.com
WFDF                 Nob                 71034.2562@compuserve.com
At Large Bd Member   Eric Simon          70540.1522@compuserve.com

UPA NEWSLETTER       70744.1562@compuserve.com
COLLEGE TOP 25       70540.1522@compuserve.com


MA RC     Eric Wenck          76635.1513@compuserve.com
MA CRC    Paul Socolow        socolow@math.rutgers.edu
NE CRC    Mike Lawler         mjlawler@Athena.MIT.EDU
S RC      Rex O'Quinn         rex@b23a.ingr.com
S CRC     Louis Montes        lmontes@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
W WSC     Diane Pagel         dep1700@bcstec.ca.boeing.com

(RC = Regional Coord; CRC = College RC; SC = Sectl Coord)
From: dks@gallant.apple.com (dk smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Hawaii ticket for tourney (rt from SFO) available
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:17:14 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA



LV SFO	181	Feb 12	 9:10am	(fri)
AR HNL 		Feb 12	12:46pm

LV HNL	199	Feb 16	5:55pm	(tues)
AR KOA		Feb 16	6:48pm

LV KOA	100	Feb 21	8:30pm	(sun)
AR HNL		Feb 21	9:12pm

LV HNL	218	Feb 21	10:30pm	(sun)
AR SFO		Feb 22	5:16am	(mon)

This will set you up for the Ultimate package deal for both
the Klassik and the Hat Tourney the following weekend.

Price: $317, (face value)

-dk


ps: first dibs to (late-to-decide) players on my team!  ;-)

-- 
dks@apple.com | Above opinions are mine and are not endorsed by Apple Computer
AppleLink: ULTIMATE | 408 974-1275 | If you are what you eat, are you dead meat?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Snow disc
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:23:20 GMT

 What an absolute rippin' good time!  A few inches of powder on the
ground, a whole series of untouched fields, and a disc.  We've
gotten a couple of games of Ultimate in the snow together, and it
just the best.  Unlimited, pain-free laying out.  (Though one player
did kinda hit a piece of ice, and instead of his hand breaking the
fall... ).  Anyone else out there making the best of the winter?

-Davebo
 Amherst Flying Squirrels

P.S.  Anyone want to buy some custom discs?

--
Davebo                    "Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard.
                           I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu
From: hausmann@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: disc golf vocab
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:35:16 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> Could one (and one will suffice) of the more experienced disc golfers explain
> to this novice what "hyzer" is. It's getting to the point that I can't
> understand my own subculture any more.

If you are right-handed, throwing most drives the disc will slow down and then
hook to the left.  The 'parabolic' or 'arc-ing' flight (right to left) is
called a hyzer shot.

You can force a left to right path with a little effort (and an _understable_
disc) to produce an anhyzer.

-Tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: women in league
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:11:15 GMT

In <1993Jan21.031227.18146@mprgate.mpr.ca> haman@mpr.ca (Anja Haman) writes:

>I would love to get rid of the two-women-on rule because often
>the women are treated as token players, and are never passed to, or
>included in any of the play.

Someone last year defined co-ed ultimate as "5 men playing ultimate, and
two women doing modern dance."  :-)

doesn't happen here though; hell, one of our top club handlers is a woman.


-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bloomington, IN)

and
From: evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: disc golf vocab
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:31:51 GMT
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences

In article <1993Jan21.211202.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> ibromberg@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>To an old pro:
>
>Could one (and one will suffice) of the more experienced disc golfers explain
>to this novice what "hyzer" is. It's getting to the point that I can't
>understand my own subculture any more.
>
>					A non-discgolfer

for people who throw with their right hand.....
A disc thrown the 'HYZER' route will be travel in a flight path which goes
from right to left. This usually requires the right hand side of the disc be 
higher up than the left hand side of the disc.
hyzer pronouned hi-zer

ANHYZER is just the opposite. The disc path is from left to right, with the
left hand side of the disc being up higher than the right.
Anhyzer is also referred to as anti-hyzer, negative hyzer.
For the right hander, it is usually harder to throw an anhyzer with
power and accuracy than it is a hyzer(with power/accuracy).
Some of us have problems with both eh?
anhyzer pronounced an-hi-zer



techno babble
----------------------------------
Other factors affecting the flight path are:
  *) stability of the disc(shape, weight, condition......)
  *) how the disc is thrown(grip, arm speed, snap, stance, release etc)
  *) environmental(tempurature, rain, wind)


The best players in the world know the flight path their disc will take
and know how to affect this flight path by changing the stance, arm speed,
disc type etc. More than anything, environmental conditions effect
how they play. KNOW YOUR DISCS!

I will attempt to type in a more detailed message later.
-- 
T. Saville, PDGA #5399,  GOLF DISCS & MINI'S bought,sold,TRADED
evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu
From: nicholbp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Benjamin P. Nicholson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Dirty Sock Invitational - 2nd annual
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:06:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: nicholbp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Benjamin P. Nicholson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: l116-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Alright, you asked for it, you got it, the return of the Dirty Sock Inviational  
with improvements!!!

The tourney will be held on March 27 and 28 in the lovely Terre Haute, Indiana  
metropolitan area.

We are looking for about 12 -16 open's team and about 6-8 women's teams.  Last  
year's tourney was good, but this one will be great!!!!

Tournament entry fee will be $30.

Correspondence can be addressed to:

	Ben Nicholson
	RHIT Box 1188
	Terre Haute, IN 47803

	or

	nicholbp@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: ibromberg@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: disc golf vocab, not
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:25:48 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

In article <C1GtBs.n09@apollo.hp.com>, vinoski@apollo.hp.com (Stephen Vinoski)
writes:
> In article <troy.728005396@buck> troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever) writes:
>>But hey, I've got nothing against disc golfers.  They're just
>>"differently abled", so the backhand is all there is.  Or maybe the
>>proper term is "throwing disadvantaged" :) :)
>>
>>(Whoa, just kidding.  I'm putting my asbestos suit on anyway, just in
>>case.  Too bad there aren't any freestylers posting to really pick on
>>:) )
> 
> Here's one (retired though).  In my experience, freestylers have
> better throws than anybody else.  I have had the pleasure of jamming
> with some of the best, including Deaton Mitchell, Chip Bell, and Crazy
> John Brooks, and I can tell you that no Ultimate player I've ever met
> can even remotely approach the disc talents of those people.
> 
> One day in Memphis in the early 80's Big Al Ballew and I measured a
> 200+ yard throw by Crazy John.  I believe he was throwing an Aero.  I
> can still see it clearly in my mind, yet I still can't believe it.
> I remember Chip Bell doing gitis pulls around his ankle while his
> other leg was completely vertical - talk about doing the splits!
> 
> Ultimate is OK, but I consider freestyle to be the "truly ultimate"
> disc sport.
> 
> -steve

Freestylers surely have moves and throws that most ultimate players don't, and
golfers may be able to throw a disc through a pin hole 200' away, but
there's nothing like laying out in the end zone to score the winning point in 
the last game of a competitive ultimate tournament.

-Isaac- an ultimate player
From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: disc golf vocab
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:43:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: buck.cqs.washington.edu

evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville) writes:

>for people who throw with their right hand.....
>A disc thrown the 'HYZER' route will be travel in a flight path which goes
>from right to left. 

This assumes, of course, that one is throwing a backhand.  For a
forehand, it is reversed, and as for overheads, scoobers, flippers,
etc., it all gets rather complicated.  Not so common as golf throws,
I'll admit.  

But hey, I've got nothing against disc golfers.  They're just
"differently abled", so the backhand is all there is.  Or maybe the
proper term is "throwing disadvantaged" :) :)

(Whoa, just kidding.  I'm putting my asbestos suit on anyway, just in
case.  Too bad there aren't any freestylers posting to really pick on
:) )


Troy Frever (an Ultimate player with tongue firmly planted in cheek)
troy@u.washington.edu


From: Eric Wenck <76635.1513@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: ECCM

To All Mid-Atlantic Captains:

The letter that was posted on Internet on Monday, Jan 25 is to be mailed
today Wednesday Jan 27.  This letter includes the directions and other
pertinant details about the captains' meeting.  I will post the directions
to the captains' meeting later this week for those of you who may not 
receive the mailing due to database inaccuracies.  

Once again the captains' meeting is at Yale in New Haven, Conn. on 
February 14, 1993 (Valentine's Day) starting at 10:00 am REAL WORLD TIME.

There is pickup the day before on the intramural fields at Yale at 1:00 pm
(this information according to the NE Coordinator) but I imagine there will
be a good deal of snow on the ground.




Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: CRAAARB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: East Coast Captains Meeting + Ultifreestyle?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:35:32 EST

Just a note I've been asked to pass along from main Fogger Pete Bershatsky:
At the East Coast Capt's meeting on Feb 14, there will be pick up Ultimate goin
g on at some point, so bring your cleats!!!
Also, As far as was mentioned about backflip catches being worth 2 points:
In the North Bay (Ontario) Summer league, a behind-the-back catch in the end zo
ne IS worth 2 points. Of course, this is the same region that gave us the NADS,
 so whether this is good or bad is hard to say. Salut, all. ABC - Yale FOG
From: wohler@hw1175.sap-ag.de (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: women in league
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:19:02 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG  Walldorf, Germany
Phone: +49 6227-341658  Home: +49 6221-163255
             <1993Jan21.031227.18146@mprgate.mpr.ca>
X-Mailer: MH [Version 6.8]


  we had a minimum woman quota in our lunchtime volleyball league at
  my last company.  it was a reasonable thing and there never any
  complaints. 

  when i play in a coed match, i see that the women get more action
  and are happier if they are matched up on the field with other
  women.  i would support a woman quota in a coed league.

						--bw