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From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: foot tattoos
Keywords: nn
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:33:37 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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In article <1992Apr14.000814.128@julian.uwo.ca> lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) writes:
>>	Oh, and I can't resist this stupid joke.
>>	Gee, Lance, what kind of racing WAS that...
>>		DRAG racing maybe?
>
>mmmmmmmmmmmmm, cycling actually, (as we used to say:"bicycling --put some
>fun between your legs")

	Oh. Too bad.

	I prefer motorcycle racing, where you only shave your legs 
	'cause if feels good under the leather...

>>		(Sorry....)
>
>no you're not. hee hee.

	You're right. Not a bit.

				-Karl

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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Left/Right standards AGAIN (Was Re: info please)
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:04:37 GMT

shomer@Cadence.COM (Steve Homer) writes:

>Maybe homophobic jewelry store clerks are the explanation for a lot of 
>those men's-left-ear piercings...?

Yup. When I went to the mall to get my right ear pierced, I indicated
an approximate position on the lobe and said "you know, the usual place".
The clerk said, "the usual place is in the left ear". Geez.

Bill
From: barb@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: TEMPORARY COVERUP OF
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:06:27 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <548.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>-> There are several foundation makeups that are intended for covering
>-> scars, you should ask at your local big chain type drugstore. They
>
> Do you know how effective these are, and how well they hold up to
>perspiration, etc?  I'm interested in how well they could deemphasize
>road rash scars.

	I have no personal experience with these makeups, but I've
	seen advertisements for one, I *believe* it's called Victoria
	Cabot (I'm sure of the Cabot part, but it might be a different
	first name) and it says you can shower and swim in it, so I
	would certainly imagine it could handle perspiration! %^)
	I've seen this stuff at Long's drugs, so I'm sure it's not
	too hard to find. Also there are cosmetologists who custom
	blend makeup, and they could probably mix you up something
	that would cover scars. It would probably be more expensive,
	though. 

	-Barb
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 16:30:47 EDT
From: <JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject:    Anasthetics and piercing

Hey...I just got done discussing piercings with someone, and they informed
me that in Germany, where they got theirs, piercers have no problem with
using local anasthetics.  When I got my QC, it HURT LIKE TOTAL FUCK.  I had
discussed anasthetics with my piercer, who insisted that using them was
dangerous, especially for genital piercings, and may result in nerve damage,
etc.  Well, the guy I spoke to had a PA and lots more, had used anasthetic
every time, and had no problems.  Does Gauntlet offer topical painkillers
of any sort?  Do any of the "big" shops in CA or NY?  What is the exact
medical poop on anasthetics anyway?  I must have more info on this before
I let someone put a 14-gauge needle through my genitals again (I was
told I have room for another QC over my existing one, and I really like
the idea of the way it will look and feel--AFTER it's pierced!!)

Thanks again in advance--you people have been super in answering my ?'s.

---JLR
From: sfeldtjo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jochen Schoenfeldt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: PA Gauge
Keywords: n
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:47:59 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany

>And you thought peeing was hard to aim with one ring in your dick?
>Oh yeah, can anybody tell me what gauge 3 12's and a 14 add up to?

>All in the same PA?   respect. 'nuff said.
ha, that's my chance:a competition not in cock-size as usual but in cock-hole-size!
i did mine in some state of sexual frenzy with a hot injection needle when i was twenty
i cannot remember if it was a very bloody or painful deal
anyway by consequent attention it has widened to adiameter of 4.5 mm
                     (Precisely Checked with a series of wood drills)
advantage :    it will not close automatically if I don't wear anything in it
                     ( Looks like some people have problems with this )
disadvantage :i don't quite know what to wear in it;recently i made myself some piece of
                      stainless steel but although I used very fine sanding  paper there were still
                      some sharp edges left which hurt the inner tube of my cock when i wear it longer.
by now i could not manage the geometric calculations to find out if I'm the winner of the contest...

Bis Bald
joc
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: how do you tell when it's healed?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:13:04 GMT



I got a nipple pierced four weeks ago, and I'm wondering
how I tell if it's healed?

I got it done by Karen at the Gauntlet who told me that it needed to
heal for two months, and it should be three months before I let anyone
put their mouth on it.  This is my first body piercing, so I'm
ignorant, but based on experience with ears I think it's about
healed.  It stopped gunking up a couple weeks ago, and I can tug on it
about as much as I think it should ever get tugged on without feeling
any pain.  Is there any other way to tell if it's healed, or should
I go ahead and let someone play with it and See What Happens?


--
           Eric Murray                   ericm@microunity.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: dexter@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Donald Dexter 4-6489)
Subject: Re: info please
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:00:38 GMT

From article <1992Apr07.234549.26630@demon.co.uk>, by dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths):
> In-Reply-To:  dexter@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Donald Dexter 4-6489)
> 
>> 4. (WARNING---SILLY INSIGNIFICANT QUESTION) are there any stupid conventions
>>    for left/right means gay/straigt?  i'd hate to cause anyone confusion.
> 
> Left means "transsexual psychopath" - It must be true, I saw it in
> "The Silence Of The Lambs".
> 

well, that'd probably get me some interesting looks.  and i guess it
would only be sending mixed messages to sheriffs and i don't much like them
anyway.

> 
> Some people (and round here, that means *most* people) will think
> you're some kind of pervert, whatever you pierce & wherever you do
> it.  Thats their problem.  Just remember that sooner or later,
> *someone* is going to misinterpret it / take offence at it, so be
> prepared & don't be surprised when it finally does happen.
> 

yup.  i expect that goes w/o saying.  oh well, i've been called worse.
the point of the question was more an effort to avoid giving a mixed/incorrect
message to someone familiar w/ piercing.  mostly an etiquette thang.

> As far as "codes" go, if you travel at all you'll find that the
> "rules" aren't regionally consistent anyway.

thanx.  i suspected as much.  thanx to all who have answered, but i really
didn't mean to start such a furor over such a dumb question.  this started
more threads than any of the other questions, and was by far the least 
significant of them.

i got some good responses on the biking question and am no longer worried
about it.  so far no answers on healing time vs. sand/ocean in the pierce.
this would be appreciated, but unless the answer is "you can't get sand
in it or you'll die" i expect i'll be getting a hole put in me this weekend.

take care all,
-don.
From: df1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Frame)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: re: info please
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:51:21 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


i don't see how bicycling would create much of a problem for your
piercing.  my own experiences with running were due a combination of
constant bouncing up and down, cold weather, cotton tshirts and bandaids
not sticking well enough.  i took care of this by buying a nylon singlet
a size too small and wearing that underneath my tshirt.  this reduced
the rubbing enough so that now the bandaids stay on, even on runs that
take 3 or 4 hours.  i don't think the motion associated with riding a
bicycle would be jarring enough to create any problems.  anyway, hope
this helps.

dave frame
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Subject: Re: Pressure Cookers?
Reply-To: af244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Schochet)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 14:58:35 GMT


In a previous article, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) says:

>mom has an extra pressure cooker she offered me;
>
>any advice about sterilization with one? i know it was discussed 
>recently,

The times & psi's I've heard are 30 minutes at 15 psi or 15 minutes at
20 psi. 

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From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM.....
Organization: University of Hawaii
 
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:49:34 GMT

>
>If all you want to do is stimulate conversation, perhaps you could try

Ostensibly, Benito was interested to find out why people got pierced
("more extreme piercings" was his phraseology, I believe... :-) ) in
the first place. Some meta-talk might actually be nice ...

I remember first seeing a nipple pierce and having two contradicting
reactions, "yich" and "ooh! gotta get one." Eventually the second won out;
but imagine poor Benito tuning in to all this how-to without any
wherefore ... shock to the system, yeh?

Why *do* people adorn themselves? I know *I* can't explain, but
maybe there's someone out there more coherent than I am ...

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From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Rasied Tattoos (Was Re: AFTERCARE)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:44:24 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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In article <jjaed6o@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>I have welted on all of my tattoos.  After they heal, they are even with the
>rest of my skin.  However, some strange set of conditions cause my tattoos
>to stand up.  It is random, however, I know that certain areas tend to stand
>out more than others.

	As far as I know, it's a histamine reaction; mine do the same
	things, particularly badly when I'm having a heavy alergy 
	attack. And antihistamines tend to make the tattoos go smooth
	again. Near as I can tell, the areas that are more raised are
	the places that are more havily inked. Though I could be wrong
	about that....


			-K

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From: jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu (Bromley, Jay W.)
Subject: temporal pierce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords: left? or right? let's all get a clue...
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:48:00 GMT

Hi all,
   So I'm about to get a temporal lobe pierce and I was wondering which 
side I should pierce so that people in the real world (after all, we're
just a bunch of college babies here I guess) will know I'm straight.
   Also, how should I maximize the pain.  I guess there's no sensory nerves
in the brain, but I'd still like to feel every nuance of pain as the needle
works it's way through my cerebral folds.
   But seriously though, can't we just put all this ugliness behind us?
I mean if someone wants to put a 10 gauge ring though his femur, then most
likely no amount of talk will stop that person, eh?  I was sort of excited 
when this group started getting more than four or five messages a day, 
until I saw that the majority were this ongoing flamefest.  Please take 
it to alt.flame.incessantly.even.though.it.doesn't.matter.  It would be
nice if people could just note what they've heard/read (with sources if
possible) and if someone disagrees then oh well.

ObBodyarts:  So I've decided on getting a broken barbwire strand motif
tattooed around my upper arms, and I was wondering if anyone might
suggest a good art sourcebook.  I've drawn a few designs, but I'm not
a painter.  How much of an idea would an inker need?  What does the 
broken barb-wire mean?  Well, recently I've shed some of the restrictions/
oppressions which have been imposed on me, and the broken barb wire (and
the very tattoo itself) are very symbolic of that change for me.    

########################## You can't get a suntan on the moon, but I 
jay bromley, space cadet | wouldn't mind a vacation there, all expenses
jaywb@juliet.caltech.edu | paid, courtesy of NASA
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: RE: TATS AND CHLORINE
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:19:45 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <496.86.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us>
ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:

% I apologize for ever having responded to the person who asked the
% question about tattoo care. I apologize for ever believing the tattoo
% artists and medical people who said that alcohol would reverse
% osmolarity in the skin and cause a tattoo to blur over the course of
% time. I apologize for everything, folks. I had no idea that I would be
% BLASTED and told I was "full of shit" and to "fuck off" simply for
% making this statement. I did not realize that people here would so

        I believe, Ben, that those types of responses came as a result of 
        *how* you have said things here on r.a.b, not directly as a result
        of *what* you had to say.  I've seen people say far more stupid
        things here and not get as blasted as you have been.  As you have
        noted, the netiquette here on UseNet is far different than on Fido
        and RIME.  Everyone is allowed their opinions here, as long as they
        are expressed in the same manner you would express them to someone's
        face.  If you express opinions condescendingly, you had better be
        able to back them up, and be ready for raising peoples' hackles,
        especially if the regulars of a newsgroup aren't used to your
        particular style of postings.  Once they are used to you, you can get
        away with far more.  Additionally, it helps to read the articles
        of a particular newsgroup for several days before posting, so you
        know what/how the group operates.  I'm sure it can help just as much
        on Fido and RIME.  Each newsgroup has a different & unique flavor
        which is sometimes subtle and hard-to-adapt-to, but most times it's
        worth it.  I subscribe to plenty of newsgroups and have met/'talked
        with' a far greater range of people-types than I could possibly do
        in the physical world.


ObBodyArt:

        Welp, back to tats.  Does anybody here know of good artists for 
        insect-type work (I want to get a PrayingMantis tat) and Polynesian
        work?

warlock@pro-haven.cts.com          Warlock            6 ventilations & 2 tats
twb5024@zeus.tamu.edu            Tye Botting       N.Shaolin/N.Praying Mantis
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From: PATZNER@rhea.cs.bonn.edu (Achim Patzner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: This ben.<censored> is nerving me
Summary: please keep him out of my news
Keywords: ben.sansing
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:44:18 GMT
Reply-To: PATZNER@rhea.cs.bonn.edu
Followup-To: junk
Organization: No, we're not organized yet
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Would all the people replying to this <your most beloved name for something
distasteful here> put a reference into the message header? My newsreader is
not able to extend its killing to article bodies so I'm unable to avoid 
seeing the replies to that nonsense.

Thank you.

Achim

PS: Not that I want to get anyone to do something bad but... what do you think
if someone would broadcast a checkgroups-controlmessage for Ben's host into
the Internet... might be fun. Last time this happened, half of EUnet went
down...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: right / left conventions and history
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:03:33 GMT

In article <gdt7a6i00Uh7E4HphK@andrew.cmu.edu> "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
>>I also have see lots of new and old pictures / engravings of American
>>Indians.  Also, of pirates.  I have noticed that they are depicted with
>>earing on the RIGHT ear.  So!  What's the deal here?
> 
>Who's to say that the native americans and pirates were straight, anyway?



I have a book called _Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition_ which points out
that the odds of pirates being heterosexual are extrordinarily low.

Let's face it, they lived in a world without women, and they did so 
voluntarily.  They might have all not had sex, but that seems rather
unlikely.  Also, what do you think that the cabin boy did, anyway?



FWA
From: fd0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Fleur Diana Dragan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Henna Tattooing
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:25:24 GMT
	<1992Apr17.040833.13850@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.bodyart: 14-Apr-92 Henna Tattooing Fleur
Diana Dragan@andre (2344)

> The directions are what they
> have written, not my word or implied law. 

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.bodyart: 17-Apr-92 Re: Henna Tattooing
CHACHRA Debbie@bullet.ec (1424)

> Sorry, Fleur.  Gotta defend the culture.  

Oh, I know, believe me.  I started belly dancing in 10th grade, and I
know its not "unique to Morocco"  I just wrote what Artemis had written.
 From what I understand, its done all over the mid-east area (however
you want to define that) not just Morocco.

You've had this done? (well, obviously)  What color does it turn out?  I
never actually did it, never had the time to try to do it right.  I've
only seen it in places like "Last Temptation of Christ" and that U2
video filmed in Morocco, and who knows how realistic those sources are.

Fleur
fleur+@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM.....
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:24:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.234934.24372@news.Hawaii.Edu>, mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson) writes:

>I remember first seeing a nipple pierce and having two contradicting
>reactions, "yich" and "ooh! gotta get one." Eventually the second won out;
>but imagine poor Benito tuning in to all this how-to without any
>wherefore ... shock to the system, yeh?
>
>Why *do* people adorn themselves? I know *I* can't explain, but
>maybe there's someone out there more coherent than I am ...


Wow. Hard question. Art tends to be a feeling and not a stream of logic.
My first reaction was "ouch." Then came "what would other people think?"
Then I realized that *I* was other people so I asked myself what I 
thought. It's like a picture full of white sheep, frame to frame, with
a single black sheep (or pink or spotted..) of the center. It's different.
It says "I'm my own person and I'm able to think for myself." It's a way
of saying "hey evolution (or diety) did a great job but wouldn't it be
great if she/he/it had done this too?" Then there is the part of me that
marvels and coos when I see a piercing or tattoo. My brain is wondering 
what all the fuss is about, but my heart speeds and my toes wiggle 
and my eyes lock on target. What is the logic in this? For me, none.
And that too attracts me. 

My current S.O. has 5 piercings. Nose, Lip, Nipple, Navel, PA, Frenum.
100 people in a crowded room and I locked eyes one whole second after
adjusting to the darkness and smoke. His piercings are a direct extension
of his personality, and I find him, and them, enthralling.

It's pretty much the same reason many people choose a certain hair style.
If utility were the only consideration Butched would be best. In a society
pressured into ultra-conformity individualism is scarce. When I cut my
hair short people automatically assume I'm Military. They try and find
what portion of society I am conforming to that makes very short hair OK.
There is no such portion of society for piercings. I guess a piercing is
a large sign that says "pidgeon-hole THIS!" 

===
This isn't a direct answer to your question but I hope these words can
give a sense of what I think and more importantly *feel* about piercings
and body art in general. 

Shawn

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From: rich@island.COM (Rich Fanning)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM.....
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:04:56 GMT

ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing)  writes:

>I forget that you folks are
>all college kids

Aha.  *That* explains something.

Ben, dear, what gives you the idea everyone here is a "college kid"?
None of the people I've met who post to this group fit the description.

-- 

     Rich Fanning       {sun,uunet}!island!rich
			    rich@island.COM
From: af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: symbols. tattoos in Pgh
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:49:04 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

A friend of mine is interested in getting a tattoo.  Does anyone know of
a good artist in Pittsburgh?
The symbol she wants is a hand with an eye in the middle of the palm. 
She has found this symbol a lot in New Orleans/ Haitian cultures, but
she has never found out what it "means," if anything.  Does anyone know
what the hand with an eye is about?

Thanks.

-me