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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Vinge's "Zones of Thought" in _A__Fire_Upon_The_Deep_
Keywords: weird metaphysics
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:13:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart):
>The concept of regions of the galaxy where the rules of physics differ
>is kind of bizarre to me (i.e., the Slow Zone where c is a limiting
>factor, as opposed to the Beyond, where it's not (and of course, the
>Transcend)).  Granting that it's a possibility, would it fit in with
>the observable universe as we see it? 

The situation in AFUtD is both simpler and more complicated than you
make it out to be.  The laws of physics do not change much from zone
to zone.  For instance, the speed of light, per se, is not more or
less of a limiting factor.  What characterizes the slower zones is
that there are limitations upon the kind of *computation* possible.
In the Unthinking Deeps, organic intelligence is limited.  In the
slow zone, effective AIs and supercomputers (by galactic standards)
are impossible, etc.  

To take the specific case of ftl travel, Vinge assumes it to work
by stringing together thousands/millions of microjumps, each of
which requires an incredible amount of real-time computation.  The
differences in 'speed' as the fleets approach the lower beyond are
actually increases in the time required to compute each microjump.

In a talk given by Vinge, he points out that there are, conceptually,
so many ways to solve a problem, that simply positing a particular
change in the laws of physics would be unlikely to result in an
effective barrier to super-computation, ftl travel, etc.  This gives
rise to a strong suspicion that the zones are an *artifact*, either
possessing or backed by tremendous possibly-artificial intelligence.

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From: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Invading planets
Date: 24 Jan 1993 03:43:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nobody of Importance) says:

>I presume you mean a high population world with 100 million+ people? 
>A world with a tiny colony would be very easy to take.
> 
Yes.  Actually I was thinking in terms of 1 billion+ people.  I'm
talking about taking over an inhabited planet whose civilization 
had comprable technology.  Well, maybe slightly inferior, but not
starship troopers vs. rock-throwing primates type deal (disregarding
Return of the Jedi, of course! :)

>I'd make sure the local navy was blown out of space or otherwise unable to
>interfere with landing ops. THEN I'd send strike teams down.
>
Yes, let's say the "space war" portion of the action is decisively over.
There are, say, tens of thousands of military troops down there, plus
that many more in partisan troops.  We're talking about lots of
troops here!

>Millions of troops or a lot of mecha. ;) 
>
Uh...yeah, but let's say the planet's developed a brand new, more
deadly model Gundam, and...oh, wrong newsgroup!  :)

>Stunning one city block is a bit different than a whole planet. If we 
>want to use Star Trek tech as an example here.
> 
All right, all right!  I'm a Star Trek fan!  So sue me!  But if you
can stun a city block, you can stun a planet.  Maybe not all at
once, granted, but it's possible.

  -- Gil
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From: seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn)
Subject: Re: Fusion Output
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:47:31 GMT

In article <Dave_Wetzel-250193121541@dwetzel.mis.stratus.com> Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com (David Wetzel) writes:
>Quick question:
>Would the "waste" products of Fusion be radioactive (theoretically)?
>
>Thanks,
>Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com

From what I understand, the by-products of nuclear fusion would not be
very radioactive.  However, the container where the fusion occurs would
be irradiated like you wouldn't believe.  And no, I'm not a nuclear
engineer, so this may not be completely accurate.

Aragorn
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From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: _Starlog_ for sale
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:49:09 GMT


Hi.  I've some magazines that I have decided to sell for financial reasons.  I
need the money! >=P

Each of these magazines is in great condition, meaning mint/near mint.  I've
taken really good care of them, and it'll speak for itself should you buy any.
>=P  When I ship them, I'll put them either in a mailing box padded with
newspaper, or in a mailing envelope between two pieces of thick cardboard and
wrapped in a paper bag.  Shipping will be paid by you.

I am selling them at the cover price.

Thanks.  Reply to ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu if interested.
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November 1991--Walter Koenig...$4.50
December 1991--Teri Garr, DeForest Kelley, Jonathan Frakes, and Rick Berman
	       ("ST:TNG")...$4.50
January 1992--Leonard Nimoy and Patrick Stewart...$4.50
March 1992--James Doohan, Kim Cattral, and Wil Wheaton...$4.95
April 1992--Nicholas Meyer and Ralph Winter ("STVI:TUC")...$4.95
May 1992--"ST:TNG" and "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles"...$4.95
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From: msk@espresso.rt.cs.boeing.com (Michael Kerstetter 5-3589)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: ATTN: KYLE SILFER
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:06:48 GMT
Reply-To: msk@espresso.rt.cs.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

Kyle, your address seems to bounce for me.  See message below for your
answer.  Unfortunately, I don't know how to continue this thread short
of US mail or phone.  Guess you'd better tell me how to contact you.

-------------------- begin included message -------------------------

From rtoads@acm.rpi.edu Tue Jan 19 17:08:52 1993
From: Kyle R. Silfer <rtoads@acm.rpi.edu>
Subject: Thinner
To: msk@espresso
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 20:10:27 EST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Content-Length: 605

I saw your post to rec.arts.sf.marketplace and thought I'd see
if you're interested in a first edition of the Richard Bachman/
Stephen King novel _Thinner_, condition somewhere between very fine
and new.

It's never actually been read. I bought it for my mother for
Christmas before the pseudonym was announced. By sheer luck
I have a first edition, which I've kept in a comics bag since
I found out it was worth something.

I look forward to your response.

--Kyle Silfer
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From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Re: WANTED: DUNE SOUNDTRACK
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:32:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan25.015851.63149@cc.usu.edu> sl7sg@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>	Wow, that last post reminded me,  I WANT THE DUNE SOUNDTRACK!  (CD)

	I have called several soundtrack companies and have been told that
DUNE has NEVER been available on CD (only record and cassette).  If this is
wrong, I would appreciate being informed.  Thanks.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
From: durantdr@cs.aston.ac.uk (Dave Durant)
Subject: Re: bed for sale
Reply-To: durantdr@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:47:04 GMT

Hey, I've heard of .misc but that is pretty misc.

	Anyone for alt.rec.bedsales ????

Dave Durant, bone idle studenty type.
Email at durantdr@cs.aston.ac.uk.
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* Hey someone put a spell checker on this thing ! :-) *

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			Garry Moore.
From: pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Re: WANTED: DUNE SOUNDTRACK
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:31:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: remus.Jan.26.21.31.21.1993.20237
Organization: the Worlds Welfare Work Association, Rutgers Anime division

In article <1k1ppmINNdi3@bigboote.WPI.EDU> boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) writes:

> 	I have called several soundtrack companies and have been told that
> DUNE has NEVER been available on CD (only record and cassette).  If this is
> wrong, I would appreciate being informed.  Thanks.


I own a copy on CD.  'Nuff said.

Steve
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From: hoyler@coos.dartmouth.edu (Roberto J. Hoyle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: Soundrack for LadyHawke
Summary: Looking for soundtrack of LadyHawke
Keywords: Ladyhawke soundtrack
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:31:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I am interested in buying the soundtrack for the movie "Ladyhawke"
If anybody is interested in selling it, please contact me ASAP.

Please, Tapes or CD's only.

thanks,
Roberto Hoyle
hoyle@dartmouth.edu
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From: mphall@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael Hall)
Subject: WANTED:  Dune Encyclopedia
Summary: Encyclopedia in good condition sought. 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:34:53 GMT

	I am in the market for a copy of the Dune Encyclopedia. My own
copy appears to have been permanently borrowed by someone.

	As I recall, the coverprice is about $10, and I'll pay that for
one in good condition, ie no missing pages, torn cover or food stains.

	Thanks,
	Mike

	ps.  Sorry r.a.sf.w folks if this tromps on some rule.
r.a.sf.mp doesn't seem to be used by many people.

-- 
Michael Hall
mphall@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu
From: sl7sg@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: WANTED: DUNE SOUNDTRACK
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:58:51 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


	Wow, that last post reminded me,  I WANT THE DUNE SOUNDTRACK!  (CD)

		I Have looked EVERYWHERE, and it is GONE, VAMOSH, ADOIS, etc

	If any of you know where I could get it, or have one you would like to
sell, please reply


		Brandon
		Lynx
		Shade Pendragon
From: MT.JLS@forsythe.stanford.edu (John Sokol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: bed for sale
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:55:26 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

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              |      |       |               |      |
              |-----<        |----           |      |
              |      |       |               |      |
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                             For Sale
                        Excellent condition

       Simmons Beauty-Rest, Exquisite IV KING-SIZE mattress
                (slightly firm very comfortable)
                    with box spring and frame

                   Originally purchased for $1400
                  Will sell for $250 or best offer

           Contact John or Jean at (415)595-3336 after 5 PM.
                 Or E-mail sokol@reyes.stanford.edu

Can also arrange for local truck delivery (Mid-Peninsula) for extra $50.
From: db0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (David M. Bartlett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Carl J. Mackin
Date: 21 Jan 93 02:25:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofLdMxK00iV380vYYY
Organization: Computer Repair, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Sorry to post directly to the board, but my direct messages to Carl J.
Mackin have gotten bounced by the Mail.Daemon.

Carl:  could you please contact me directly as soon as possible.

Dave Bartlett
Organization: Computer Repair, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller)
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:55:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.185222.21497@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com (wooga wooga wooga) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.204722.5991@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>~seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp):
>~>>			 WIZARDS - OF ALL KINDS...
>~>>			===========================
>~>>7.  Which Heretic earned his soubriquet by declaring against the
>~>>battle-religion?

Oh, crap.  Julian May, Pliocine Exile, a-something-ion the Heretic.

>~>>15.  Who had as his Source the Dwarf Matt Soren?
>~
>~I'm blanking on everything today! ...the mage in Kay's "Fionavar Tapestry".

Loren Silverleaf.


Chris Miller
chris@MorningStar.Com
From: lichter@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Michael I. Lichter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Heinlein (again)
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:06:21 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

>In article <C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:
>
>Heinlein let a woman be an intelligent and capable as she wanted as long as she
>had  breakfast ready on time.  Describes most working mothers today.

And had nipples you could read moods off of (e.g. Deety) and looked
good in the nude (_Stranger_) and didn't mind being raped by nice men
(_Friday_) or being spanked (_Fear no Evil_).

Michael
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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:12:04 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>are in search of that easy A.)  We start with the unavoidable truth
>that we cannot assign enough books in one semester to give even an
>overview of the genre.  So it might be legitimate to miss many of the

     Who can't?  Ninety nine out of one hundred sf and fantasy books
are one-a-day reading.  Like vitamins.  And I don't mean "speed-reading"
either, I mean reading every syllable.  Give 'em a few boulders to chew
on, like LOTR and Dune, and a couple hundred Lin-Carter-equivalents
for background noise.

                                            -- jf
From: phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:20:50 GMT
Organization: CUMC
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan20.215233.9580@coe.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) writes:
|> BONUS QUESTION: Name ANY Piers Anthony Novel WITHOUT a sequel. (answer fast)
|>      ;)

Macroscope (although a book of that size (emphasis on "macro" is it's own sequel)

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From: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote)
Subject: Re: Man of Gold, by Barker
Reply-To: uphrrmk@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote)
Organization: Never Had It, Never Will
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:52:27 GMT

In rec.arts.sf.misc, josv@sci.kun.nl (Jos Ververgaard) writes:

>A few days ago I stumbled over a book named Man of Gold by M.A.R. Barker
>(printed in 1984 by DAW). It proclaims itself to be the first novel in a
>series set in Tekumel, Empire of the Petal Throne (seemingly based on a
>role-playing game). The world seems to be based on ancient Indian (as in
>India) culture with elaborate clan and social structures (it resembles
>the tsuranuanni-culture by Raymond Feist, but not as militant and more
>versatile). ...

 This similarity was the subject of some litigation as I recall. While the
Tekumel/EPT game system predates Feist's publishing, there is sufficient
difference that it was an actual question. Does anyone know how/if this
was settled? (I seem to recall that Feist was known to have been exposed to
EPT before Magician, but I may be in error)

>   ...I really liked this one a lot, it was much better than I had
>suspected when I read it was based on a role-playing game.
>Does anyone know if Barker wrote any more stories set in in this universe,
>the book implies he planned to. I'd really like the titles of those books so
>I can see if I can get them.

  I also know of _Flamesong_ (which I slightly preferred, though both were
enjoyable).  Also, the role-playing game contains EXTENSIVE cultural work and
stands as an example of thoughrough fleshing out of a universe concept.  If your
interest runs to the sociological, consider trying to find a copy of Tekumel.

                                      Good reading,
						Jack Coyote 

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:52:28 GMT

mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins):
>You're absolutely right.  I won't re-submit LeGuinn (never liked her
>work - but then, this isn't a discussion of like v dislike), but I will
>add C. L. Moore and Leigh Brackett.

What educational objective is achieved by including either of these
on the reading list?  Their main distinction seems to be that they
are among the earliest female sf authors -- though including Moore
is chancy, given the difficulty of identifying her work.  If you
wish to include women, choose cases where it mattered.

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From: mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:28:12 GMT

Sad, isn't it, how none of these guys bother to credit any work done by
women?
From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Con Com help info request
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:35:15 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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MB05704@swtexas.BITNET writes:

>I have a had in running a small university based con every year.  Some of our
>problems are :
>        -- our attendance does good to approach 100

Fine.  Small cons are good cons.  (I'm helping to run the Australian
National Con, SwanCon 18, and we aren't expecting more than 350
attendees, so we have work small)

>        -- we have a small budget

Depending on the kind of Con you're running, costs can be strictly
minimised - working out what to provide, and what shouldn't be.

>        -- we generally can't get the univ. to approve room reservations
>           more than about 4 month in advance, maybe 6

Move your venue?  If they can't get it together enough to sort out
bookings, there's something wrong.

>        -- we can't get guests that anyone would want to see

Avoid guests.  Back to Basics (tm ;-) - have events and items that are
fun.  At big cons, most attendees don't seem to live in the guest's
pockets, so they wont really miss it if they're having fun.

>        -- shortage of people to work the con

Always, always, always ;-)

An SF club here at UWA has run 11 or 12 'TerraCons' since they were
founded, making them residential at some sort of holiday camp in the
south-western forests (ten bed cottages).  If you do it over a local
long weekend, you're unlikely to clash too badly with other things.  The
events tend to involve traditional uni things: alcohol, and sex as
well as caving, gaming, competitions, theatre games, bush walking,
programmed panels (not too many, people are too exhausted with the rest
of it :-)  This function attracts a crowd that is never less than about
50 and sometimes exceeds 100.  It's a fun weekend, and loosely conforms
to the definition of a con (what *is* the definition of a con, btw?) ...

Good luck.

Peter
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From: john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Heinlein (again)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:17:07 GMT
	<C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jan27.041501.10024@lucid.com>
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In-reply-to: lola@lucid.com's message of Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:15:01 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:15:01 GMT, lola@lucid.com (Lola McCrary) said:
Lola> Bcc: lola

Lola> In article <C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:

[...lots deleted...]

Lola> I'm female, liberal, and independent, and I've never understood the fuss.

Hear hear!  What is this morbid fascination to rip apart authors, esp
when they can't defend themselves?  If you take heinlein in the
context of the AGE he was brought up in, and writing in, what was so
bad?  Oh no!  I've started another flame war...  sigh...

				John

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Subject: Re: Heinlein (again)
From: stoddard@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (MJ STODDARD)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:40 MST  
 <C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jan27.041501.10024@lucid.com>
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In article <1993Jan27.041501.10024@lucid.com>, lola@lucid.com (Lola McCrary) writes...
> 
>What Heinlein were you reading?  Examples that don't meet that criteria:  
> 
>Dr. Mrs. Stone in The Rolling Stones
> >Grandma Stone in The Rolling Stones
> >Whyoming in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
> >Maureen Smith in most of To Sail Beyond the Sunset
> >Almost any woman in any of his short stories
> >Friday in Friday.
> 
I've always just thought of Heinlein's females as teenage boys with
vaginas.  Intellligent, charming, hard-working -- thank you for all
the examples! -- but hardly women.

MJ
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:34:26 GMT
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In article <C1GtJ0.72@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:
>Sad, isn't it, how none of these guys bother to credit any work done by
>women?

Sad, isn't it, that someone complains that they didn't pick someone of
the right sex rather than picking a couple of authors who belong in
the course and saying "How come nothing by these ladies?  Is it
because they are women?"
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