HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: The Second Closet
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:41:10 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams):
> There's an article in today's NYTimes (9/4/92)
> profiling one Paul von Wupperfield, president of the Texas
> Log Cabin Republicans ("it would be unnatural for me to vote
> as a Democrat").

ya know, i was watching Crossfire on CNN recently.  elaine
boozler was knocking the tar out of john sununu, homer
simpson with glasses, and john made this statement that
one's political affiliation was congenital.  i was so
shocked that i listened more closely, and sure enough, the
subtext to his argument was this chromosomal predisposition
to be a republican.  talk about genetic mutation!  it
certainly gives new meanings to family values; hell, pretty
soon, we'll be able to count them on our 6-fingered hands.

now consider if the democrats win this election.  will
democrats condemn republicans as victims of nature?  will
you see republicans running around demanding their rights?
will the double-breasted suit and florsheim shoes become
the uniform of militancy?  will the republicans reclaim
"read my lips" with george deep-throating barbara, holding
millie, on the steps of the lincoln memorial?  will we
tattoo serial numbers on outted republicans and change the
crime against nature laws so that selective breeding can
be inforced so that republicans will be forced to stalk
the public parks?  will adult bookstores start carrying 
_The New Republic_ and videotapes of ronald reagan while
republicans swap ties through glory holes?

and, will the republicans, finding themselves marginalized,
victims of intense discrimination and hatred, finally
understand the word "civilization"?
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re:  Publicity
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:29:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep6.022911.20407
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Thanks, Matthew, for your stunning political analysis. Now then, does
it mean anything? The Republicans are still bastards. If nothing else,
they are bastards for all the things that you probably like them for -
their economic, social, and foreign policies.

But I don't care so much about those, because this is soc.motss.

So tell me, sweetness, why does the fact that the Republicans are
bashing queers to get Bush elected make the Republican queer bashing
any less repugnant? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, it makes
them even more morally bankrupt?
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                      When you expect whistles, it's flutes
From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:01:17 GMT
Reply-To: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep10.010740.18151@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com
(Bob Sarver) writes:

	.
	.
	.	

|>
|>And you again fail to address the point I made above.  Is it possible
|>for members of a minority to act in ways that defeat group goals?

Whose group, Bob?  Who is defining these goals?  And which minority?  I
rather suspect that we are all in the minority.                         
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From: meggert@hto-d.usc.edu (Mark Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The Choir Boys M/C
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:20:30 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hto-d.usc.edu


  I saw some men from the Choir Boys M/C when I was in Oxnard this weekend. I
was impressed. Is The Choir Boys M/C a gay motorcycle club?

  Bonus crosspost from misc.fitness by poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux):
Bodybuilder Mike Matarazzo in a recent seminar claimed he'd win Mr. Olympia
in '93 saying, "It's gonna be lots of sickness for thickness to take it, but
I'm gonna do it!"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: A Conversation With Matthew
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:43:14 GMT

In article <72213@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>So what was a beautiful forest of towering oaks and delicate
>maples has become a nightmare of hate, and the creatures all
>have fled.

And then there are the saps ....

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Orson Scott Card
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:41:31 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Sep9.062021.9581@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>Maybe someone should write an article about it using snippets as allowed
>by the copyright laws. After all its copyrighted not licensed like
>software....
>
>-- 
>------          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!               .
>\    /        Repent of your evil irrational numbers             . .
> \  /   and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart!        . . .
>  \/   Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568  . . . .
>    

I admit I think this is a great idea, as it looks like this is the only
way I'm ever going to know what Card said.

Peggy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kitchens@morpheus.austin.ibm.com (otto vaughn kitchens)
Subject: Re: The Second Closet
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 21:48:56 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: kitchens@austin.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <1992Sep4.175020.859@PacBell.COM>  rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
> 
> ...
> profiling one Paul von Wupperfeld, president of the Texas
> ...
> are "Republican hallmarks."  His lover's a Republican too.

I know them.  They are basically clones of each other (it's scary how much 
they are alike--at least to me) and are about as republican as they come.  (No 
offense, Paul & Andy--okay, well maybe a little. ;->)  He told me the other
day that they were reluctantly voting for Clinton which shocks the hell out of
me.  I never would had imagined either of them voting for a Democrat in a
million years.  Actually, I still can't figure out why we ever became friends.  
I think that thing that we agree on is that we are both pro-choice (oh, and
gay & lesbian rights--but our approach to this issue is entirely different).  

--
otto vaughn kitchens
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From: bob@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (robert s. richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Visiting San Francisco and L.A. -- Need Info
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:35:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep8.003541.28812
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

A friend and I will be traveling through California to Pasadena from
Wednesday, Sept 9 to the following tuesday.  We are looking for inexpensive
places to stay along the way (especially in San Francisco). We would also
love to meet folks who can show us around both S.F. and L.A.

As far as cheap hotels go, there are three criterion: Low cost,
cleanliness, private restroom.  (Or, if some kind soul would like to
offer a room, that would be most appreciated! (Especially if it
has a dungeon... but I digress) )

Our trip is taking us from Corvallis, OR to Pasadena for the World
of Commodore-Amiga exposition on the 11th through 13th, though I
may only attend one day.  We should be arriving in SF late wednesday
night or early thursday morning, and we'll be sightseeing, then take
off for Pasadena early Friday.  It might be fun to go out in LA to
motss oriented attractions Friday night.  I'll be attending the show
and visiting relatives whom I've never met on Saturday afternoon and
then either A) Taking off in a mad dash to SF to go out there Saturday
night, or B) Staying that night and taking off Sunday morning.  We
will have Monday and possibly Tuesday to spend in SF.

If anyone has any suggestions as to what to do, where to go, what
to see, who to do... (oops, biases showing!), please let me know. All
input is appreciated.

Bob Richardson
bob@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
(503) 758-5018

THANKS ALL!
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quayle on Homosexuality
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:26:01 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>QUAYLE CONTENDS HOMOSEXUALITY
>IS A MATTER OF CHOICE, NOT BIOLOGY
>
How the hell would HE know??
>
>is to ask someone their sexual orientation.  We don't think
>it's anybody's business."

Then why is it the central issue in a campaign in a country with a faltering
economy, ecology, and foreign policy?

Can you say smoke screen?  I am getting tired of this crap.
-- 

******************************************************************************

Donald L. Hardy                                    Office of Physical Planning
Project Planner                                    Lehigh University
dh0a@lehigh.edu                                    (215) 758 5110
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:55:10 GMT

Michael Bryan (michael@resonex.com) wrote:
> In article <12194@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >Most Americans support Equal Rights for homosexuals, myself included.
> 
> Hurrah!  C.C. supports same-sex marriages!  Or is that not included
> as an "Equal Right"?
----------
No, no!  C.C. supports equal rights for homosexuals to enter into
heterosexual marriages.  Great idea, no?

Been there, done that.  Hated it.

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: MOTSS Handedness Survey
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:16:19 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kane@buast7.bu.edu

This is the first repost of my article announcing a survey to see if
there may be a handedness-sexual orientation correlation. Resposts will
occur weekly, on Sept 17, 24, and October 1. A few days after that, I'll
post results.

If you've already seen this and/or participated, hit 'n' (or your
equivalent skip-to-next-article command) now:


Date: 8 Sep 92 15:05:41 GMT

Hi everybody. I'm not sure if anyone's done a survey here investingating
the possible line between sexual orientation and handedness, but since I'm
currently doing such a survey over on alt.sex and talk.politics.misc, I
thought I might do a similar, SEPARATE survey here, too.

Please, if you respond, do so to me through e-mail, and please don't
bother everyone else by posting your data back to the net. I'll repeat
this post once a week, and at the end of a month I'll summarize the
results.

Here is the very simple survey: (confidentiality guaranteed)

---BEGIN SURVEY-----------------------------------------------------------

1. Biological Sex
2. Age
3. Handedness (Right-,Left-,Ambidextrous)
4. Kinsey Self-rating based on experience alone
   (0=heterosexual--->3=bisexual--->6=homosexual) (choose 0,1,2,3,4,5, or 6)
5. Kinsey Self-rating based on fantasy alone

---END SURVEY-------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks, Brian
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Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in
ones true self.
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 07:24:18 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: do you see this?
 <92249.120329IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <1992Sep5.214525.6148@lclark.edu>

gretchen writes some things, and i reply:

hey beautiful!  what's the school ssytem like in portland?  are
there many parks and things that little kids would like?

katy schooling update:

she can read!  she can READ!  one week of school and she can
READ!  i was reading her a bedtime story on friday, and she
was reading some of the words for me...  i don;t have a baby
anymore..  *sniff*  reading...  wow, next she'll be posting
to the net!  and the way she talks, perhaps i shoudl change her
name to jessica now...  *grin*

                                   -ailsa
Xref: sparky soc.motss:38650 talk.politics.misc:44484 ca.politics:7571
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:36:39 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <42543@ogicse.ogi.edu>, markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
> In article <12161@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #                           and the results will be unpleasant.
# 
# Did Mel Blanc ever do voice overs for you?
# 
# #Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
# #prohibition won't work.
# 
# And, of course, abortion didn't work for you either.
# 
# I really must apologize to the net, but I have this vision that just
# won't go away.  It's good old Clayton running about in a Bug Bunny
# cartoon singing 'kill the faggots' while dressed as Bruinhilde (the
# spelling is wrong, but you get the idea).
# 
# --mark

This is exactly why I can't take homosexuals seriously.  I have
repeatedly made it clear that I want the government to leave
people alone unless they engage in force or fraud against others,
and you have this crazy idea that I would support some sort of
extermination scheme.  Not at all, and I would vigorously
oppose (by all means necessary) any such effort to exterminate
homosexuals.

But the homosexual desire to be a victim is so strong, that it
becomes necessary to demonize everyone that doesn't pat homosexuals
on the head and say, "Keep it up."
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hate mail
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 22:23:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep9.165706.6246@spdcc.com> <1992Sep9.175839.9205@spdcc.com>

Bob Donahue writes:
>he sounds to me like someone who didn't get into grad school....

Hell, from all the errors in the damn thing he sounds like someone
who never finished GRADE school....
 
() I have two very rare photographs: one is a picture of
() Houdini locking his keys in his car; the other is a rare
() photograph of Norman Rockwell beating up a child.
()      -- Steven Wright
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: trivia
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 05:57:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep8.044900.10553@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:

>First, when Groucho is leading into the song he sings 
>   "the most glorious creature under the sun
>	Veiss, DuBarry, Garbo rolled into one"
>What _is_ that first word on the second line?  It _sounds_ like Veiss
>but that doesnt ring any bells for me.  

Venus, perhaps? 

>jefu (seeking enlightenment and pondering the custom of parenthetical
>	  remarks after a signature - wondering if this is to become a
>	  net.fad like line eater food, silly disclaimers, or long and
>	  graphic .signatures (but getting a .sig included anyway)) 

I think Arnold Zwicky started this, didn't he?  Maybe he's doing linguistic
research on us.

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:53:12 GMT
Organization: Playdoh's Republic

In article <1992Sep11.151726.21534@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>
>Dan, who's amazed that anyone's still paying attention

Well, I'm still paying attention, waiting for Pauline Oliveros to get mentioned.

Dunno if that has motss content or not - tho she is a queer bird.



-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:03:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:


>Keep working on it though, if you could throw in a few misspellings
>and perhaps a little air-headedness, you would have a pretty good Quayle.

No, no.  Quayle could never have come up with that one.

(see?  Even Jewish homosexual Nazi war-crimnals (sp) have *some* taste)

Melmac the Unmentionable (again)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Linguistics puns (was Re: adoption)
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:23:03 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

[re: fucking Ms Congeniality vs fucking *with* Ms Congeniality]

>Reflecting on the extreme importance of prepositions in some cases,

(*giggle*) Good one, eh, Arnold?   :-)

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Sim is OK!!
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:46:52 GMT

In article <Bu57EH.CnM@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) snipes:

>In article <1393@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>
>>In article <31AUG92.15262645@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>
>>>It is pronounced like David, just spelled differently.
>>
>>Oh. Just like Luxury Yacht is pronounced Throat-warbler Mangrove.
>
>Do you speak English?

I have since been informed, by individuals less Monty-Python-impaired
than I, of the source of David's quote above.  In context, it seems a
bit less snippish.  Mea culpa.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Orson Scott Card
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:28:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Sep9.150734.26439@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>Well, I think my Queer Card is in good standing, but I have not yet
>received an Orson Scott Card. It sounds like I should refuse delivery
>on it, anyway.
>
>
>Kathy


Yes, definitely.  

Peggy
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: And by the way . . . (was Re: trivia)
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:11:23 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Sep12.165102.11923@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson - Can you Forgive Her?) writes:
> In article <1413@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
> >In article <1992Sep11.222037.26341@macc.wisc.edu>
> >anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >>
> >>Jess [who is pleased enough by the voice of Ms. T. to make a
> >>      brief appearance, but reminds all and sundry that my
> >>      quotes are *not* random, thank you very much!]
> 
> >Of course not! Just the articles themselves....  :-)
> 
> Trollope!

No, Smollett!

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"He was formed for the ruin of our sex."
-- Tobias Smollett, _Roderick Random_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:51:40 GMT

csjgp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jim Pierson) writes:
: In article <1992Sep6.142945.3782@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
: >balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
: >: In article <34794@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
: >: >When Clinton lifts the ban on Gays and Lesbians in the military, as
: >: >promised, or whoever in 1995 or so ... lets us not forget to fight that
: >: >those who got dishonorable discharges because they were Gay or Lesbian
: >: >get reassigned honorable discharges.
: >: >
: >: >Laura    
: >: 
: >: Very few people who were discharged for homosexuality since 1980
: >: were given dishonorables.  Most were given general discharges,
: >: and since 1990 (or so) most are given honorables.  If a soldier
: >: received a general discharge, they could apply for an honorable
: >: six months later and usually received one.  
: >: 
: >: We need to make sure, though, that those who were discharged and
: >: are still of age to re-enlist, are allowed to do so. 
: >: 
: >: 
: >: Shawn, a veteran, who has seen too many good soldiers kicked out
: >: for being queer.
: >: 
: >: 
: >Shawn, why do you think those who were discharged before 1980 should 
: >be ignored?  Are they somehow less important because they are older?
: >It seems to me that it should be even more important to correct the
: >gross injustice perpetrated against them. What Laura said is what
: >we need to fight for, nothing less.
: >
: >
: >Kathy
: 
: Kathy, I don't think Shawn had any intention of making any value
: judgements.  I believe that Shawn is saying that although the military
: has not lifted its ban, they are treating gays differently at the time
: of their discharge, (i.e. gays are now getting general or honorable
: discharges unless other reasons for a dishonorable exist.)  Around 1980
: is when Shawn has noted the change occurring.
: 
: I can attest to this.  I myself am a gay veteran who was given a Chapter
: 13 discharge, (because of my being gay.)  My discharge in 1981 was
: honorable.  Incidently, even then the rank and file did not always agree
: with the policy; my company NCO's, my CO, and my Battalion Commander all
: supported me.
: 
: Jim
: 

I'll repeat - Why should those discharged before 1980 be ignored? I'm glad
for you that you got an honorable. Your status doesn't do a thing for all
those who got dishonorables before 1980. That is gross miscarriage of
justice that MUST be corrected. Why in the world would you want to ask
for less than this?


Kathy