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From: okabe@unixg.ubc.ca (Ian Okabe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: I Don't Get It (Was Re: FOR SALE: Mac IIcx $1500)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:59:00 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
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In article <By4KH8.HE2@access.digex.com> og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg) writes:
>OK - presuming that a Mac IIcx has any resale value at all, what would you
>do with a stripped mac priced at $1500 (the price from a company in MacUser)
>other than plug it in and watch the pretty blinking light on the front. You're
>still going to need a hard drive, monitor, video card and keyboard. If you
>are upgrading from an earlier color Mac, fine. But I can't imagine that's 100%
>of the interested parties. (Cared for MacIIcx, 8MB 80ns RAM, 120 MB Maxtor,
>Seiko 14" color monitor, 8.24 video card, standard keyboard, original boxes,
>$2300.) - Gary

You missed my point Gary. It wasn't a flame on your system or price. It was
a point as to why someone would buy a stripped Mac IIcx on the net for more 
than what you can get from a business with a warranty advertising in MacUser.
I mean which would you buy given the choice?
-- 
Ian T. Okabe (okabe@unixg.ubc.ca)
Atmospheric Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.mac
From: og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg)
Subject: SELL: Factory Apps Much Software Original Manuals/Disks
Organization: Personal Account - Digital Express Greenbelt, MD
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:56:28 GMT

All prices plus shipping. Make me an offer for the lot. - Gary

Microsoft Word 4.0D - $45
WordPerfect 2.03 - $80 (upgrade to 2.1 for ~$30)
Aldus SuperPaint 3.0 - $75
Aldus Gallery Effects: Classic Art - $55
Symantec THINK C 5.03 - $115
Portfolio Systems DynoDex 2.07 - $19
DeltaGraph Pro 2.01 w/ 1.5 also - $110
Central Point MacTools Deluxe 2.0 - $35
GoldenTriangle DiskMaker - $20
Suitcase 2.1.2 - $15

-- 
- Gary Goldberg og@access.digex.com Bowie, MD KA3ZYW
And NO organization to represent. ' ... Free, free at last ...'
Info on 'The Simpsons'? Let me know.
From: svsolanalos@pro-freedom.cts.com (Sheldon Nalos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: ****SCSI Cables****
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:49:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov22.234930.3774
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

I am in a real bind. I need a 50pin male centronics to a 50pin male
centronics cable. For all of those bland people out there, that is a SCSI
to SCSI cable, not a Mac to SCSI cable. Seeings as I am short on cash, I
would like to do a trade. I will pay shipping to you, and you pay shipping
to me. That way no one loses on the shipping. I have for trade, one Mac to
SCSI cable, that is medium shielded, and two feet in length, and also one
SCSI male to SCSI female cable, which is three feet long, and VERY
shielded. It is an original Apple SCSI cable. Ok to sum it up.

WANTED: 

A well shielded SCSImale to SCSImale cable

IN EXCHANGE FOR:

A medium shielded Mac to SCSI cable
A well shielded Apple SCSImale to SCSIfemale cable.

A great deal, no matter how you look at it.

Sheldon Nalos -- sysop of 1-206-253-3128 with 600 MB of Macintosh files online
<<svsolanalos@pro-freedom.cts.com>>
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From: firenza@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Dead 512k wanted
Date: 16 Nov 1992 07:38:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

  Are there any dead 512k's people want to get rid of out there?  I'm looking 
for one with a dead logic board, but all else more or less intact.  If so,
drop me a line.

firenza@wpi.wpi.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: tron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tron R.)
Subject: Quadra 700 accelerator for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:43:07 GMT

I have a Newer Technology variable speed accelerator for sale. It is 2
months old and I can get my Q700's clock speed up to 32mHz.

I'm selling it because I am buying a rocket. (See my other posting.)

I paid $349 for it. I'm asking for $270.

Tron
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From: system@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers.mac
Subject: Re: 14" color monitor for sale
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:22:01 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (shih@zodiac.rutgers.edu) writes:

> Hi, I have a 14"super VGA color monitor  for MAC for sale.
> This one is 6 months old which is compatible with LC, LCII, IIci,IIsi.
> It use on-board video, you don't need add any video card for it.
> It's resolution is 800* 600(according to the manuals), and display 256 colors
> It comes with a titl/swivel. Very true colors.
> The best offer I get now is $340, please make me an offer. If you have any qu
> Buyer pays shipping
> Please email to    shih@zodiac.rutgers.edu


This is the 100th time this msg has been sent out. Just a note. You can
get a brand new 14" SVGA monitor for a MAC (1024*768*256) for around $220.

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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: I Don't Get It (Was Re: FOR SALE: Mac IIcx $1500)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:50:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>No offense taken. It's a tough question - the machines you buy used from
>a company may be worn out, but also may be a good deal, while there is no
>clue and no warranty when you buy from the 'net', but the machine may be
>better cared for, or cheaper or both. I guess the only thing I can do is
>bag it for now, unless I see an ad where some one says, 'Sell me yours
>for the price you wanted'. - Gary

 Gary:

   You could advertise in your local paper (if you haven't already)
   that would be reaching a market that doesn't have edu discounts
   and often doesn't read the trades.  Ie housewifes and school kids.
   Just an idea...

                                  -- Nick


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From: svsolanalos@pro-freedom.cts.com (Sheldon Nalos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Color Mac Wanted
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:24:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov22.232427.3774
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Hey! I resemble that remark! And yes, I figured that that was what the deal
was for. You could have just been more clear about your purchases. 

Sheldon Nalos -- sysop of 1-206-253-3128 with 600 MB of Macintosh files online
<<svsolanalos@pro-freedom.cts.com>>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Distribution: world
From: Richard_C._Goldsworthy@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:23:38 PST
Subject: Powerbook 100 needed

I need to locate a Powerbook 100 (minimally 2/20). I don't have unrealistic
expectations like many of the posted notes (I saw one asking for a PB100 under
$500, sure...I'll take a case of 'em) but you shouldn't be either. Need one for
a school project (K-12) involving field research of sinkholes...

Thanks,
Richard Goldsworthy
MacBridge@aol.com
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From: bluecow+@pitt.edu (Tobish E Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: MacPlus power supply wanted
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:18:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I have an original 128K Mac that I upgraded to a 512KE Mac many
years ago, and recently re-upgraded to a 4 meg Mac using a NewLife
board.  Well, the board worked fine, until the power supply fried
one day recently.  Guess that's to be expected from an 8-yr. old 
computer.  So I'm looking for a replacement power supply.  I've
heard of mail-order companies that have them.  Anyone know a
phone number or address for one of these places?  Better yet, anyone
have a working Mac Plus power supply they want to sell Real Cheap?

Thanks, 

Tob

P.S.  Replies to this account are okay, replies to 
      tob@zaphod.ee.pitt.edu are preferred.
From: eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin Chiu-Wen Chen)
Subject: PowerBook Wanted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:03:58 GMT

I am looking for PowerBook 100, 140, 145 or 160.  Email me if you are selling one.
From: ctr@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Chris Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: For Sale:  Prince of Persia
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:06:53 GMT
Reply-To: ctr@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Chris Roberts)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: felucca.som.cwru.edu


For SALE:
      Prince Of Persia...


With manual but no Box..

Please, make an offer...

   Thank you,
       Chris Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted
Distribution: world
From: John_M._Berliner@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:09:49 PST
Subject: IIsi NuBus adaptor 4SALE

I still have an Apple IIsi NuBus adaptor with FPU for sale (the guy I had
promised it to decided he didn't need the NuBus slot).

$125 plus shipping (about $5). 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: mladair@mtu.edu (MATTHEW L. ADAIR)
Subject: Remapping keyboard??
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:17:07 GMT

Does anybody know of a way that I can redefine some keys on my
standard keyboard to emulate the function keys from the extended
keyboard?  Would it be possible by adding a new keyboard layout
to the system in Sys 7.0?
 
Please reply via EMAIL and many thanks in advance!
 
mladair@mtu.edu       Matt Adair
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:39:40 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:

>>>>>> "Kelvin" == Kelvin Leung (abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu)

>Kelvin> 2) NeXT's OS requires more memory.  Therefore, a 8MB Quadra
>Kelvin> doesn't need to do too much demand paging as opposed to a 8MB
>Kelvin> NeXTstation.

>8 Mbyte RAM? Are you out of your *mind*? Running a NeXT (or any other
>highend computer) with less the 16 Mbytes of RAM is a serious waste of
>resources. Look, RAM is cheap. Checked the price of 4 Mbyte SIMMs
>recently. Getting a machine, any type of machine, with less than 4 of
>those would be downright silly.

>I've used all types of systems over the years, and really, my
>experience has always been that RAM determines the true performance of
>the machine. Too little RAM can kill any system. I'd take a RAM over
>CPU speed any day -- a 25MHz system with ample RAM performs *much*
>better than a 40MHz system with too little RAM.

>Please do not base performance comparisons or arguments for NeXT
>machines (or other workstations) on configurations with too little
>RAM. The perceived performance improvement with a reasonable RAM
>configuration is *huge*.

>Given the price tag of a NeXTstation or a Mac Quadra, I'd strongly
>consider 32 Mbyte. The price difference is small compared to the price
>of other components.

Please.  If you were to quote me, quote the whole thing!

I was defending for NeXT!!!!

Someone was arguing that a NeXT is *slower* than a similarly configured 
Quadra... and that's why I said NeXTstep requires much more memory...
that's why a 8MB NeXT isn't a good machine to do comparisons with.

Thanks for listening.  Please read my words more clearly next time.

>/Lars
>--
>Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
>CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:30:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.000242.10778@cuug.ab.ca>, wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca
(Terrance Wilcox 260-8100) wrote:
> 
> BTW, PC Mag's tests show that Windows is better than the Mac. That
> really shows how much tests are worth. :)

You can't just quote the results of tests without knowing exactly what was
being tested and what the methodology was.  As I recall, the PC Mag test
was primarily testing windowing systems from the point of view of DOS
users, so naturally Windows came out on top.  Some of the tasks they had
the subjects do don't even makes sense on the Macintosh.

The same thing applies to your test of scroll bars.  

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au (Richard Barry Ling)
Subject: Re: Resource fork saves space
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:51:56 GMT

  
ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:

> Here is an interesting factoid.  The Macintosh has, on average,
> the smallest sized apps for any viable computer platform.

Where did you dig up this gem?

> Example:
> WordPerfect  Mac ~4-5meg   Win3:10 MB  UNIX ~10 MB

Example:
Excellence    Amiga    300k

(For the uninformed, Excellence is a word processor virtually identical to
MS Word 4.)

> ********** ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) **********
> Windows NT:                  * Disclaimer:  I speak for myself *
>                              ***********************************
> You WANT your hard drive trashed now.

________________________________
Richard.  u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au
#include <standard_disclaimer.h>
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newton tech (was The future of Apple)
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:18:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.ibhan.722103532
 <Cohena-161192121927@l30346.mdc.com> <1992Nov17.201918.9037@cuug.ab.ca>

wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100) writes:

>That's my point exactly. Apple is moving away from computers and toward
>consumer electronics. What happens to people that like Apple computers?
>Do we buy VCR's instead?

Apple is certainly adding consumer electronics to their linup, but I fail
to see where you get the idea that they are moving away from computers,
especially since they may outsell IBM in terms of units sold this year
(from Byte).

>Yay, gross profiteering at the consumer's price. Apple used to have 
>vision. Now they have marketing.

Give me a break.  You don't call PDA's a vision?  I call it more of a
vision than the Macintosh was.  Sculley has one hell of a vision, and
that's what makes Apple's marketing so good (look at the Duo's now...now
THAT's a nifty idea).



-- 
             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Subject: Re: Newton tech (was The future of Apple)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:29:30 GMT
Organization: MDGAC
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

In article <1992Nov14.160614.7018@cuug.ab.ca>, wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance
Wilcox 260-8100) wrote:

> Or it could be a huge flop. I think it's an idea whose time hasn't yet
> come. I refuse to pay $1000 for a remote control. When the PDA can do
> all these things for $79, I'll consider it. Until then it's an
> expensive luxury item.
> 

Terry
I guess I didn't communicate my point correctly.  The PDA is not
necessarily the input to the commercial devices.....  The PDA is just the
first attempt at actually using the Newton technologies.  What I'm trying
to describe is how Apple seems to be moving away from being a desktop
computer company and moving towards becoming the big OEM to consumer
electronics devices.... 

I don't believe that Apple will actually produce the devices...rather I
believe Apple will develop proprietary circuits with the applicable Newton
technology which are then supplied to the VCR builder.....

I definately agree that taken by itself, a Newton/PDA looks like one heck
of a gamble....I will also not pay $1K for an item which can be dropped or
stolen.  I have an HP95 ($350). I would bet that HP doesnt market the 95LX
because only heavy PC users can really figure out how to use it...  The PDA
can fail..... on the other hand....  Apple KNOWs how to market
something....and they more than any other company...(including Sony....look
at their diskman....yech!) can pull it off.....

Think about it..... what better strategy....develop a proprietary set of
functions that border on AI as a new generation of user input
capabilities.....  The functions do the programming for the user.... seal
it in silicon, then sell the chips that make it possible to all the
consumer electronics producers.....minimal production costs.....only
profit...only way to go...



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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: NeXT OS, TOO SLOW TO $#@#$, etc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:12:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov13.154107.1150@yvax.byu.edu> feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) writes:

>What was silly about this?  The Net is still over 50% educational.  

The Net is not The World.  

>The NeXT market (for single machines, at any rate) is still significantly  
>educational.  

Of course it is.  That's what I've been trying to get through to you.
The NeXT market is primarily educational because only students can buy
NeXTs at nonexhorbitant prices.  And there just aren't enough students
around to make the NeXT (or any computer) a success by themselves. 

>So is the Mac market.  

Except, perhaps, for the very low-end machines, that is simply
false.  The Mac's primary market is business.  Has been for
several years now.

>The original user quoted Mac edu prices, Stefano compared NeXT 
>edu prices, and you insist the comparison is unfair.

Not unfair.  Irrelevent.  The "Net" may think that educational
prices are a Big Hairy Deal, but the real world, whose purchases
can make or break a computer company, doesn't really care.  It's
real-world prices that count.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:54:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.ibhan.721943680

bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell) writes:

>In <6322.2b02a382@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:

>>Since Apple could easily use proportional scroll bars merely by including
>>a new CDEF and a couple of toolbox calls, it doesn't necessarily follow
>>that Apple wouldn't use them.

>They could? Without breaking all existing Mac software? Would existing stuff
>support it even if it didn't break? Sorry - I have already asked a Mac guru
>friend myself, and he said it just wasn't possible to do. So one of you is
>wrong. :)

Well, since I did have proportional scroll bars on my screen for a while
with a special CDEV (some NeXT lookalike thing), I guess it is possible.
-- 
             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:22:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>Your ignorance is truly amazing.  Did you step through a time-warp from 1987 
>or something?  The only people who "purge the OS" are the EuroHackers, and
>that is because they do not know any better.  Don't worry though, your 
>decision did not result in any great loss for the Amiga community.  

I agree with most of the stuff you said, Skip.  However, I don't really
agree with your statement above "[EuroHackers] do not know any better."
Considering most of the demo-competition requires a fancy demo to be
run on a 512KB/1MB Amiga, a lot of "EuroHackers" designed to toss out 
the OS, just so they can sequeeze every byte out of the machine.

[Douglas wrote]
>>[I got the Nomex on now.  Waiting for Amigaoid counter-attack:-]
>Looks like you got what you wanted.

No offense to Douglas.  He mentioned that Amiga users generally behave
like a child... looks like Douglas is one of us (Amiga user)... ;)

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu