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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:46:09 GMT

In article <5866@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>jcburt@cs.wm.edu (John Burton) writes:
>%
>%I'm fairly confident in saying that the majority of people in this
>%country hope to be successful finacially. Unfortunately one of
>%your responsibilities as the "new generation" of citizen is to pay
>%off the debt that the administration has incurred over the last 12
>%years. Of course you could always not take responsibility for it
>%and pass this burden on to your children.
>
>Last 12 years? Didn't we have a deficit before Reagan? If Clinton is
>elected, and we still have a pretty huge deficit, are we gonna blame the
>deficit on Reagan? <<OF COURSE!!!>>
>

Of course.  The deficit before Reagan was right around this year's defense 
budget.  The deficit as we know it today WAS the fault of the Reagan/Bush era
borrow-and-spend policies.


>-Ummm...just a quick question...where do you think the money to support
>-financial aid for college students comes from? It is supported/funded
>-by the government. Where does the government get the money ? they
>-either get it from taxes of one form or another, or they borrow it
>-which adds to the deficit. A very republican attitude is "if you're
>-poor, its your own fault..." which also means "if you can't afford it,
>-too bad..." hmmm...doesn't sound like they want to provide aid of any
>-kind be it welfare, medicare, or financial aid to promising college
>-students. 
>
>Government also loans the money to students with the expectation that
>the money will eventually be paid back. Many students have defaulted on
>their loans making it more difficult to get money for the government to
>lend to anyone else. 

Weak argument.  This is hardly the reason for the lack of money in education.
Education funding is dwarfed by defense, Soc. Security, and other entitlements.


>			The Republican attitude isn't "it's your fault
>you're poor" (someone didn't read my Selleck comment on Arsenio post).

Why should I consider an actor to be an authority on economic issues?
(Did someone say 'Reagan'?  BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!)

>It's more like "if you're going to use money from the government, you
>should use it to the benefit of society" (i.e., worth the money we loan
>or give you).

Like Neil Bush?  Jim Bakker?  Col. North?  Gen. Secord?  SDI?  

Please.



-Howard
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From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: More lies at Penn State
Date: 24 Sep 1992 20:43:13 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <1992Sep23.054159.14033@midway.uchicago.edu>, wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner) writes:
> 
> In article <92266.203439MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >         Well, maybe you've heard about all the uproar about students here
> >    at Penn State needing a ticket to see the president.  Well, Bush's
> >    P.R. people have said that's just not true!  They have merely set aside
> >    a special section for the Penn State College Republicans. Say would that
> >    be all 12,000 of them?!!?
> >
> >         This is the biggest load of crap I have ever seen here at PSU.
> >    Bush is actually LOSING votes here in centre county because of this.
> >    Who is running Bush's campaign, Jack Kevorkian?
> >
> >         But there is some hope. As I type a coalition of student groups
> >    (under the name Students United Against Bush) are constructing a
> >    "shanty-town" of old wood, boxes, etc. and are planning to camp out
> >    where Bush is giving his speech (behind the fence, of course).  The
> >    students say the PSU Constitution gives them the right to peacefully
> >    assemble on the lawn. No word yet if the Administration will puss out
> >    and arrest them all.
> >
> >    Keep it up George, you're doing more for Clinton than anyone else.
> >-------
> >========================================================================
> >  Mark Rieker        We are Penn State      Go Atlanta Braves!
> >                                         1991 National League Champions!!
> >
> >  mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu
> >
> > "Who cares about grades? Who cares about life? Who cares about me?....
> >  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones
> 
> 
> 	Yes.  Bush should allow more rock-wielding radical-crazed
> leftist asholes such as yourself up near him so you can take
> another toss and get a free meal in the pokey and a spot in the
> ten-o'clock news.  Maybe he'll even get teargassed so you can
> REALLY feel good.  Yeah. Then he would be brave.  Of course, he
> would also be stupid, but then, you like to keep your bases covered,
> don't you?
> 
> 				J. Wagner
> 
> 

Another thoughtful comment from the Bush supporters..... Come on folks!
Are insults and inuendo the only arguements you can muster?

Several PSU students have expressed justifiable outrage at the violations
of first amendment rights at the PSU speech by Bush's advance men. Can you
honestly justify this behavior? Oh, now I get it....anyone who supports
free speech is a rock-wielding radical-crazed leftist ***hole. :-/

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
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From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: No looking at your neighbors' papers....
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:18:27 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct6.000021.14558@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, shackeld@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david m shackelford ) writes:
> 
>      That he's trying to fight people who won't follow his
>      orders (primarily Democrats [socialists] in Congress)

If Democrats are socialists then I'm a bright and spruce pink chicken
with gourgeous green hair, a red tie and a bad attitude, that I like
shoving in the face of stupid clueless dweebs ( ... good word, heh? I
learnt it off an American) like yourself who have the gall to think that
a hippo wading in a pool of flourescent magma is in the same situation as
a rocket scientist in bed with Kim Basinger, singing the Marseillaise
and using a toothbrush to open the pages of Bach's 48 Preludes and pull
out a hopelessly uderused condom which is draped over the bare lightbulb
to add a certain hint of rubber to the intoxicated air in the room which
was completely unaffected by the Legionnaires disease-infected air-conditioner
supplied by the Kapitalist Konspirators who wired up the scientist for
sound and breath and ideas which could be implanted by the overdressed 
assistants of the unusually concubined conundrum and overeater of the
year 1957 male of the species "Useless" whom you call the Republican
BabyEater President.

Jason
And, another thing ...
> 
> David Shackelford
From: loeb@ai.mit.edu (Eric Loeb)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Automated mail server for Bush campaign
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:34:59 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


I will soon be bringing an automated mail service on-line
for the Bush campaign.  My contact person in Washington is
Rich Phillips (202 - 515 - 2219).

In order to help the on-line Bush campaign expand as rapidly
as possible, I have set up a core organizers email list
called "bush-org@ai.mit.edu".  Please send me email if you
would like to be included on the "bush-org" list or if
you have your own email list that bush-org can point to.


Thanks,

Eric Loeb

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: It gets bigger (was Re: The Big Lie)
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:15:04 GMT

In article <BvG5CC.6oL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
>: 
>:     Iraqi Soldiers                    89,500

>
> I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to count all of the
>Iraqi Soldiers' deaths as innocent deaths.
>
>An argument could also be made that not all of the "civilians" and "indirect
>deaths" are innocent, and your table gives no indication how these figures
>were derived.  

John MacArthur, the very dovish editor of Harper's, in his book
_Second Front_, accepts a death toll for Iraqi troops of around
30,000, about a third of this figure.  (His main argument is that
there simply weren't that many Iraqi troops there to begin with.  The
corollary is that the Bush administration lied to the American people
to justify both war and build-up.)


--
"I was trying to figure out which of my friends were hedgehogs, and which
were foxes...."
"Shakespeare wrote _King Lear_, NOT _King Leo_...."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.040750.28316@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.170640.16600@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>
>>I hate Clinton--something to add "Economic policy found in Communist Manifesto,
>>his name mentioned in the book of Revelation!!"
>>
>>Simon
>>
>
>Are you a freshman?
>
>

	What, you think he hasn't been subjected to enough college-hip-
culture brainwashing yet? Maybe you should sick the PC police on him.
Maybe you could set him up with a nice NOW member who could use sexual
ploys to alter his mind.

			Wagman

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:49:44 GMT


We always hear when someone calls Quayle an idiot, but how often do we
hear when someone calls Clinton a socialist??

Simon

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton
From: jbn@photon.photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Subject: Re: AIDS crisis
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 00:10:55 GMT

AIDS is not God's way of punishing the homosexuals for their lifestyle.

It's God's way of punishing the homosexuals for electing people like
Willie Brown (San Francisco) and John Cullerton (Chicago) to office.

When Cullerton and Brown introduced mandatory seat belt laws in their
state legislatures, they claimed that the laws would save lives.  They
didn't realize that one day more people would die from AIDS than from
automobile accidents, and that regulation of sexual activity would be
a next step after seat belt laws.

When the argument of saving people from themselves failed to induce
support for seat belt laws, Cullerton, Brown, et al. came up with the
Social Cost Theory, that is, society pays for risky lifestyles through
hospital bills and insurance premiums.  They took this social cost
theory to promote not just seat belt and motorcycle helmet laws, but
alcohol and tobacco regulation, and even gun control.

In 1990 a medical journal addressed the societal cost of AIDS.  Did the
homosexuals face the facts?  No, they kept electing people like
Cullerton and Brown to office, promoting legislation on the concept
of social cost and saving lives.

The homosexuals want more money spent on AIDS.  They fear that we will
ignore them because AIDS is THEIR problem.  But when AIDS becomes OUR
problem, it will also bear OUR solution.

The best thing that could happen to the homosexual community right now
is that enough of them die of AIDS for the opponents of Willie Brown
and John Cullerton to win the November elections, erase the big brother
work of the so-called representatives of the gay community, and
recognize that Americans have the right to their own business.

Joe Naiman
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:49:05 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <5866@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>jcburt@cs.wm.edu (John Burton) writes:
>%sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>%>You have asked me to elaborate.  So here goes:
>%>
>%>I am concerned about Clinton's tax policies.  I hope to be successful
>%>finacially, and I don't want to penalized for that success in the form
>%>of high taxes.
>%
>%I'm fairly confident in saying that the majority of people in this
>%country hope to be successful finacially. Unfortunately one of
>%your responsibilities as the "new generation" of citizen is to pay
>%off the debt that the administration has incurred over the last 12
>%years. Of course you could always not take responsibility for it
>%and pass this burden on to your children.
>
>Last 12 years? Didn't we have a deficit before Reagan? If Clinton is
>elected, and we still have a pretty huge deficit, are we gonna blame the
>deficit on Reagan? <<OF COURSE!!!>>

Quite true.  Our last balanced budget was, I think, '69, though Carter
came pretty close.  Note, there was the tiny detail of the Reagan arms
build-up, and that a large number of budgets submitted in the past
decade have come back to the White House with smaller deficits than
when they left.

>
>->                 I would also like to know how Clinton feels about 
>->financial aid for college students--how would average middle-class 
>->students be affected??
>-
>-Ummm...just a quick question...where do you think the money to support
>-financial aid for college students comes from? It is supported/funded
>-by the government. Where does the government get the money ? they
>-either get it from taxes of one form or another, or they borrow it
>-which adds to the deficit. A very republican attitude is "if you're
>-poor, its your own fault..." which also means "if you can't afford it,
>-too bad..." hmmm...doesn't sound like they want to provide aid of any
>-kind be it welfare, medicare, or financial aid to promising college
>-students. 
>
>Government also loans the money to students with the expectation that
>the money will eventually be paid back. Many students have defaulted on
>their loans making it more difficult to get money for the government to
>lend to anyone else. The Republican attitude isn't "it's your fault
>you're poor" (someone didn't read my Selleck comment on Arsenio post).
>It's more like "if you're going to use money from the government, you
>should use it to the benefit of society" (i.e., worth the money we loan
>or give you).

Something you didn't mention: Clinton proposes that student loans can
be paid back either out of the paycheck (on the tax form, right?  This
should make accounting somewhat easier.) or in a stint of national
service.


--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
				-- Homer Simpson
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Bush email address & Republican Platform
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:56:00 GMT

In article <1a2mhgINN14m@fido.asd.sgi.com> aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer) writes:
>Almost a week ago I posted the following:
>
>aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer) said..
>>I've seen several people ask this but nobody seems to know the answer.
>>Does the Bush campaign have an email address set up?  A mail server?
>>Anything?
>
>To date I have received 0 responses.  Now in addition to a Bush campaign
>email address, I'm also looking for a copy of the Republican platform.
>Does anyone have it?

We've had this discussion before.  If you want stuff from the Bush
campaign, contact it.  If you want to know why they haven't made
things available on-line, ask them.  (Of course, it could well be that
they're willing to provide stuff on-line, but some Bush supporter will
have to volunteer to do the transfer, as Clinton supporters have.)

For example, they'll be happy to mail you a copy of the platform.

Catch a clue - the fact that some people think that usenet is life
does not imply that it is a useful political resource.  The Clinton
people apparently think it isn't counter-productive.  We don't know
what the Bush people think about the question because no one has asked
them, invented "attributions" by Clinton supporters notwithstanding.

-andy
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From: mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:24:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Odesta Corporation

eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:

>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>:Brad Green writes:
>:> I'm questioning the character of Slick.
>:If you thought the Vietnam war was wrong, why did you go?  If you
>:didn't, what's your problem with Clinton?  He thought it was wrong,
>:didn't go, and spent several years protesting instead.  If the
>:politicians had listened to people like Clinton first, how many of
>:your combat buddies would have died?

>And oh, what a wonderful world this would be. Let's give 'em Vietnam and
>the entire Southeast Peninsula, why don't we. It's absolutely wrong to
>fight against Communism. We should just let them march all the way to
>Manila.

Here he is!!! The only person in the world who slept through the fall of
communism -- despite the dire predictions of his ideological soulmates,
the domino-istas.

His next post will lament the fall of the gold standard.
-- 
--
Mike Kelly               Odesta Corporation, Northbrook, Illinois, USA
...!clout!odgate!mike    - Until odesta.com is registered.
odgate!mike@clout.uucp   - From the Internet.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (harold.r.holm)
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:19:30 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

In article <1992Oct4.051938.11568@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson) writes:
> In article <BvKDFC.Dxu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl) writes...
> >Honest question, here: is Slick Willie planning to actually have our
> >planes *involved* in the Balkan conflict, or does he just approve
> >of using US military jets to escort US cargo planes flying in relief
> >supplies?
> > 
> >Not that any of that will cause me to vote for him....
> 
One could only conclude that escort duty constitutes involvement,
or at least the start of it.  Kinda like these two "escort" destroyers
that were sailing around a place known as the Gulf of Tonkin twenty-
some years back...I also remember air strikes being inferred by the
Governor. 
> 
>  He just approves of airpower to protect humanitarian shipments, but of
> course the rupublican propaganda machine loves to distort that.  
> If I were Clinton I'd shoot anyone that called me "slick willie",
> but then again I don't have the temperment to be a politician.  That term
> is so utterly insulting, but then again it fits in with the republican 
> sleaze mentality.
> 
I stay away from that term myself...rather simplistic. But then, didn't
someone in Arkansas coin it a few years back??

                                                    H.R. Holm

*comment my own, standard disclaimers;
 replies to the newsgroup only, please*
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re:Walking down to the student center
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:33:03 GMT

Mr. Loomis responded to "walking down to the student center" in the most
pathetic way, that only a pro-choice cretin could. I have been unable to
"followup" for some reason so please bear with me.
	Kill the humans, to... save the elite? I've heard that sort of spiel
before, only it sounded better in the original German. Are you fucking serious?
It's people like yourself that completely discredit anything that the
pro-choice movement sought to build. You take things to their illogical
extremes, in fashion that only  liberal could. I would imagine that you voted
for Gore when he ran for president. It is the enviornmental freaks like
yourself that find logic in the extinction of the human race. You Sir, are a
moron.
Here endith the lesson
		--VSG001@acad.drake.edu (Vince Goddard-ARCH Conservative) 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 04:07:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.170640.16600@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>I hate Clinton--something to add "Economic policy found in Communist Manifesto,
>his name mentioned in the book of Revelation!!"
>
>Simon
>

Are you a freshman?
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:25:43 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

jcburt@cs.wm.edu (John Burton) writes:
%sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
%>You have asked me to elaborate.  So here goes:
%>
%>I am concerned about Clinton's tax policies.  I hope to be successful
%>finacially, and I don't want to penalized for that success in the form
%>of high taxes.
%
%I'm fairly confident in saying that the majority of people in this
%country hope to be successful finacially. Unfortunately one of
%your responsibilities as the "new generation" of citizen is to pay
%off the debt that the administration has incurred over the last 12
%years. Of course you could always not take responsibility for it
%and pass this burden on to your children.

Last 12 years? Didn't we have a deficit before Reagan? If Clinton is
elected, and we still have a pretty huge deficit, are we gonna blame the
deficit on Reagan? <<OF COURSE!!!>>

->                 I would also like to know how Clinton feels about 
->financial aid for college students--how would average middle-class 
->students be affected??
-
-Ummm...just a quick question...where do you think the money to support
-financial aid for college students comes from? It is supported/funded
-by the government. Where does the government get the money ? they
-either get it from taxes of one form or another, or they borrow it
-which adds to the deficit. A very republican attitude is "if you're
-poor, its your own fault..." which also means "if you can't afford it,
-too bad..." hmmm...doesn't sound like they want to provide aid of any
-kind be it welfare, medicare, or financial aid to promising college
-students. 

Government also loans the money to students with the expectation that
the money will eventually be paid back. Many students have defaulted on
their loans making it more difficult to get money for the government to
lend to anyone else. The Republican attitude isn't "it's your fault
you're poor" (someone didn't read my Selleck comment on Arsenio post).
It's more like "if you're going to use money from the government, you
should use it to the benefit of society" (i.e., worth the money we loan
or give you).
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
Biomedical Engineer 1993	Never take me too seriously.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
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