From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (Manu)
Subject: Re: JUSTICE/EQUALITY IN OCCUPIED PALESTINE (AFTER ETHIOPIA)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:41:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.032018.2564606@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>In article <18tcn0INNa8d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) says:
>>
>>>There is DISCRIMINATION in the government of the jewish nation. European Jews 
>>>are first class citizens,  Palestinian Jews 2nd, Yemenese Jews 3rd, black
>>>Jews 4th or 5th,..., Palestinian Christians next, and Palestinian Muslims 
>>>are in worst. UPI reports equality-demanding demonstrations by Black Jews 
>>>(shown below).
>>
>>Well, at least Israel is a democracy and doesn't prevent demonstrations.
>
>Democracy?  What in the hell race discrimination is all about.  A European
>Jew treated by the govenment better than Black Jews implies democracy to you?
>How insane!  How sick!

	Maybe you should take a pol. sci. course.  Democracy is a form of
government, not a moral code.  Would you call the US undemocratic during
its pre-civil war existance because slavery was still legal?  Would you
characterize the US as undemocratic when segrgation was legal?  The 
discrimination is wrong, but it has no effect on the political system of
the country,


>
>>Obviously, Israeli hasn't done a perfect job resettling the enormous
>>numbers of immigrants who have come recently.  And the orthodox religious
>
>Allowing none-white immigrants into Occupied Palestine immigrants targets 
>two things:  1- Absorb *OUR AMERICAN MONEY* pretending poverty.
>	     2- More people enlarge the potential of Greatest Israel 
>	     to expand into Iraq, Saudi, and hopefuly Mecca and Kuwait (
>	     A land they claim to own).

	What planet do you live on?  First of all, why would the Jews want
to own Mecca?  Second, the large majority of Israelis don't have any 
designs on Iraq or Kuwait.  Third Israel wouldn't need American money so
much if she didn't have to spend an outrageous percentage of her GNP on
defense.
>
>>authorities wield too much power and are misusing it.  So there will be
>Misusing? Doesn't that imply discrimination against colored Jews.

I don't think there was a denial of discrimination.  Unfortunately 
discrimination is a natural reaction when someone who looks different
moves into your neighborhood.  Natural, but wrong.
>


>>unhappiness at times.  But why don't you go and ask those people whether or
>		^^^^^^^^
>		Funny.

Wow, what a profound comment!  Well, I guess it's better than one of your
inane tirades.

>
>>not they are glad they returned to their homeland?
>
>Many people emigrate to the US not because it is their  homeland, just because
>of a better dream.  Don't you see how jthe majority of the SOVIET JEWS
>are wanting to emigrate to the US instead of Israel.  The American President,
>Bush or Reagan ( I forgot who) once said : Soviet Jews should go to Israel.
>That when they were sleeping in front of the US embasies abroad EUROPE 
>a few years ago.  Why they don't wish to go to Occupied Palestine (Israel) ,
>you tell me why?
>
>
	Well, Mr. Genius, why do you think the Soviet Jews wanted to go to
America?  One, because the chances of earning a higher standard of living
are better here, and two, America isn't soundred on almost all sides by her
mortal enemies.

>>In time, all these immigrants will be absorbed into the mainstream of
>>Israeli life, and they are wanted by their brethren.  Unlike Germany, you
>>don't see any demonstrations demanding that foreigners be kicked out, the
>>way the Saudis and the Kuwaitis have been booting out Palestinian Arabs.
>
>Yes I myself do wish that all of them will go to Occupied Palestine and
>from there they go about occupying the rest of the arab world, at least
>this way the other armies such as the Saudi and the Omani would know 
>what kind of bitterness the Syrian army and the Palestinain arm struggle
>had to go thru.  My best wishes to all future occupiers.   The life
>of the Palestinian proved to be in a better shape under occupation
>than in Kuwait.  I cannot deny that.  Our terrorist state (israel) is a little
>less brutal than our *Muslim* govenment of Kuwait.
>

	Well it's good to see that you hate a good percentage of your
Muslim brothers about as much as you hate Israelis.


>>Second class, third class, etc.?  You've got to be out of your mind!
>>
>>>Black Jews migrate to Occupied Palestine (Israel) 
>>
>>Occupied Palestine?  You ARE out of your mind!
>Occupied Palestine whether you like it or not, and it will not be for long 
>inshallah.
>
Israel, whether you like it or not, and it will remain there, permanently.


>>Or do you forget, or pretend to forget, that Israel was there long before
>>any part of that area was temporarily called Palestine, and will be there
>
>You've got to speak to monkey audience with such propaganda and lies.
>

Didn't we go through this already?  Are you that thick?  Jews lived in a
nation called Israel before the Romans through them out and called the area
Palestine.

>>Of course, there is a part of Palestine that could be considered occupied,
>>but that portion is usually referred to as Jordan.  Comprising about three
>>quarters of Palestine, east of the Jordan River, it is ruled by a family of
>>immigrants, the Hashemites.
>
>Name it Jordan, Palesine, or Israel I don't care.  After all the name Israel
>is so holy to all Palestinians. Why should they hate to name their land
>after Prophet Jacob PBUH.  Name isn't important, what matters is 
>expulsion of the natives in the name of religion.
>

	Most Palestinians were not thrown out, but left on their own accord,
hoping to return after all the Jews were thrown in the sea.  Maybe you should
go complain to Egypt, Jordan, and Syrian for doing such a pis poor job.


	Manu
>jle
>
>>bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>
>BTW, your name reminds me of the arabic term:  Ahlan W. Sahlan, which
>means "welcome"; no offense.
>


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