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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AppleSoft Basic Question
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:24:08 GMT

Okay... to place the Applesoft source into a text file, add this line to
the beginning of the program, then run it:

1 PRINT CHR$(4)"OPEN FILENAME":PRINT CHR$(4)"WRITE FILENAME":LIST 2-:PRINT
CHR$(4)"CLOSE":END

Don't forget to delete line 1 after you've done this!

To convert the text file back to an Applesoft program, just type:

EXEC FILENAME

That's it!

- Eric S.

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From: bn552@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert W. Neil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Steve Craft-Mail me
Date: 7 Nov 1992 13:50:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am trying to reach Steve Craft, mail to you has bounced twice. 
Could you please mail me again, or if anyone else has his address
could you please drop me a line?  
Thanks
Robert Neil
r3rwn@vm1.cc.uakron.edu
From: gasman@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: .tar, .zoo, .lzh, etc....
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:34:32 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Your question was about alternate unpackers. PMPUnzip will unpack .ZIP 
files. LHext will unpack .LHA and .LZH files. GSHK will also unpack .ZOO 
and most .ARC files. Dearc will unpack all .ARC files. As for .tar and 
.arj, I will look into them. GSHK might do .TAR .
Later,
        Gasman
P.S. I know, you didnt ask for all those formats, but I just wanted to me 
be complete in my answer.

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From: edward@pro-ren.cts.com (Edward Floden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple II SuperDrive card, Apple Catalog
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:53:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Technological Renaissance Information eXchange

dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green) writes:

>How does one acquire one of these Apple catalogs?

Try 800.795.1000. That's the ordering number in the catalog, but I'm sure
that they'll be glad to send one to you.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Subject: Re: Can //gs play 4 channels of digitized sound?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:35:55 GMT

gasman@cyberden.uucp writes
> It was typed that the GS can give 4 channel digitized sound and with a 
> soundmeister 8 channels(or at least it was implied). This is false. The 
> GS can give up to 15 channels of digitized sound. Some proof is 
> soundsmith, noisetracker, and if you REALLY want some proof, listen to 
> the #2 Vamps demo. As for the GS reference that talks about sound, I 
> believe my Apple IIgs reference book covers that RATHER nicely. If ya 
> want it, 10 bucks and its yours. You pay to ship it.
> Later,
>         Gasman

		Channels <> Voices REPEAT Channels <> Voices!

	The number of voices on the GS is 15, so you can play 4,8,12 or 15  
different digitized sounds at a time without any problem (as long as they all  
fit into the 64K sound bank.) These voices can then be outputed to 8 different  
channels (The Ensonic has support for 15, but Apple only gave it a 3 pins.) FM  
has two channels for example, and Pro-Logic Surroud sound simulates 3 more on  
top of that for 5, but the GS can give us 8! But no cards have supported this  
because of the large # of RCA cables that would be needed for this, and what  
device are you going to connect it to that supports 8 channels??

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From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (Lim Thye Chean)
Subject: Re: Editors
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (Lim Thye Chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:41:25 GMT

In article <9231715.22714@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> robm@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Mueller) writes:
>
>I'm looking for peoples comments on editors (source code type).
>
>Can anyone recommend a decent editor? The orca editor is a
>disgrace, slow and only one file at a time (I've still only
>got orca 1.2) and i've heard that the orca 2.0 editor is even
>slower. Prism crashes in 30 seconds. I've tried Rose
>and it is nice and fast, the ability to work on 2 files at
>is nice, but I'm looking for something that
>a) Isn't as buggy as Rose (it has some really nasty bugs
>when recording macros that sometimes cause my system to 
>die REALLY badly) b) allows more like 9 files at a time.
>Microemacs is quite nice, but it's so SLOW loading files!!
>I don't want to wait years just to load my asm source.

Orca 2.0 editor is very nice in my opinion. Who tells you it is slow?
It is much faster in my opinion (or is it because of my Zip?), faster
than microEmacs, stevie, etc.

Yes, it can loads 9 files at the time (or is it 10?). Yes, and it is not
as buggy as Rose, ie, it has never crashed on me yet for more than half
a year (or am I just plain lucky?).

>Anyone got any recommendations?

Orca 2.0 editor!

>Rob


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    %%  and Avatar too.  %%   
          Lim Thye Chean: Lim is my surname. My name is Thye Chean.
     My address: LTCHEAN@ISS.NUS.SG, or 9, College Green, Singapore 1129 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz)
Subject: AppleSoft Basic Question
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:10:14 GMT

I remember reading a trick to convert an AppleSoft basic program to a text
file so it could be printed out with a word processor.  Can anyone help me
out with the method required to do this trick?  Somehow I lost the article.

I believe there is also a way to turn the text file back into an AppleSoft
Basic program.  Any help would be appreciated.

	Many thanks,
		...Mike


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: gpb@gpb-mac. (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Disk drive sticktion(?)
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:30:20 GMT

george@hfglobe.intel.com (George Rachor) writes:
: We receintly lost a disk drive in a Mac ][ ci to a problem known as drive
: sticktion.  This system was run continously for almost two years until a 
: power failure allowed the drive to cool for several hours.  At that point the 
: drive simply failed to resume spinning.  Our local dealer has managed to get
: the drive spinning again and saved our data.  We are going to replace the 
: drive as we simply cannot trust it now.
: 
: I understand this is a common problem with 3.5 inch hard drives.  Does anyone
: know how the problem can be avoided?  The system is used in an application 
: that gathers data 24 hours per day.  Are some drives more prone to this problem?

I take care of about 100 Macs and we have seen the problem on Sony SRD2040
drives ( covered by Apples extended warrenty ) and a few old 40MB Quantums.

We have been replacing them with 120MB drives from MicroNet (Maxtor data
modules) without problems.  I don't think that the problem is common to all
3.5 inch drives.

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From: FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Inwords
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:00:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The program Inwords was the primary reason I purchased the Quickie scanner 
about one year ago.  For the past seven months I have been tracking 
Westcode's progress in getting out the upgrade for which they circulated a 
flyer about 9 months ago.  I've called at least once each month for that
period and was told each time that the upgrade was in Beta test but was
projected for release by the end of that month.  Is anyone on this net part 
of that Beta test effort?  I'm curious whether the delay will be worth the 
wait (and anticipation) or whether this project, like so many others, will 
soon dry up and never be released.

Eric S. Ford
forde@uvg.eglin.af.mil


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: synk@pioneer.unm.edu (Brendan Conoboy)
Subject: eclipse BBS
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 01:38:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
Summary: Binscii reported line too long errors
Followup-To: eclipse BBS posted on comp.sources.apple2
Keywords: BBS, eclipse

Did anyone else have trouble with eclipse?  When I tried to turn it into a
.shk file it gave me error after error.  Did anyone else have problems with
it that could verify this?

Thanks,
	Brendan

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: achauhan@warsaw.math.macalstr.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: What is Bison?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:16:14 GMT


What exactly is Bison?

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.apple2:23577 ba.market.misc:8397
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,misc.forsale.computer,ba.market.misc
Subject: FOR SALE: Apple //e
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:57:47 GMT
Reply-To: fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

(I restricted the distribution to SF Bay Area; hope it works)

For sale: Apple //e with two 5.25" disk drives, extended 80-column card,
Applied Engineering RAM card w/ 256K, green-screen monitor.  I believe it
has a Grappler+ parallel printer card as well.  (It's your basic AppleWorks
machine.)

My parents (the owners) would prefer to donate it to a local school, but
they'll take offers from individuals as well.

Send mail to fadden@uts.amdahl.com.

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS/OS Printing and Ghostscript
From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:06:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Nov12.062108.2413@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp 
(Philip McDunnough) writes:

>There is a PD program called Ghostscript which takes Postscript
>files and outputs them to a variety of printers. Is this available
>for the GS? If it were, would the LaserWriter Postscript driver 
>for the GS support colour printing?
> 
>Ghostscript outputs to virtually every printer around. It would be
>a viable solution to those wanting inexpensive colour printing to
>say an HP Deskjet 550C and many others.

God, I wish there was.  GNU (who did Ghostscript, btw) also has send/receive
fax software, which is set up as a print spooler, effectively.  You can
email a daemon, and it will send faxes etc...really a very slick setup.

Unfortunately, it requires ghostscript to operate.  I FTPd the ghostscript
archive, and was a bit taken aback to discover it had 1.5mb tarred and 
compressed source.  Of course, lots of that is screen drivers for X that
could be removed, but it looks like a very major project.

I too would love to see it ported, but don't hold your breath.  It's a very
very massive program, and would take a lot of effort to port from what I 
can see.

>Philip McDunnough
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 08:24:28 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Resource Manager
Organization: IBM Personal Computer Co. - PS/1 Development
Disclaimer: This posting represents my views, not necessarily IBM's.
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <9231714.22562@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Robert Mueller writes:
>I wish there was a resource manager call "CompressResFork" or

Softdisk-GS came out with something like that about 3 months ago.  Since
Bryan (the author) was having trouble with code resources (I think) some
kind soul posted the pseudo-code on GEnie (Marc W?).  It basically involved
reading each resource individually then writing it to a seperate file with
special handling of resources requiring a converter so as to get the
true data from the file.
Of course, you could always derez then rez again.

Pauley
GEnie: P.Benson1
From: Nick Phillips <nwp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: What is Bison?
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:16:27 GMT
Organization: The Southampton Net.Cabal :-)
Originator: nwp90@davinci

In <3450@carroll1.cc.edu> sander@carroll1.cc.edu (Scott Anderson) writes:

>>What exactly is Bison?

>Well, it is a vi type editor that runs much slower than stevie under gno.

Why the hell is it called Bison then? Just to confuse everyone?

Nick
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From: bill@pro-storm.cts.com (Bill Long)
Subject: Re: GEnieLamp
Organization: ProLine [pro-storm] -- Dallas, TX -- 214/644-5113
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:11:22 CST

I, for one, have no problem with your posting GEnieLamp to comp.sys.apple2.
:)

-B.L.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: High bit character set question
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:42:12 GMT

In article <BxItBK.49I@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jroberts@centaur.UWaterloo.ca (J. P. Robertson) writes:
> 
> I'm wondering how I can access the nifty characters in the Symbol
> font in AWGS 1.0, Teach, or anything else for that matter.

I believe most of the characters in the Symbol font are just the
normal low-ASCII characters.  (e.g. 'A' generates one of the symbols).
Others will appear as high-ASCII, which you can access using the
option key (as mentioned in an earlier reply to your posting).

> I tried loading in a text file with low and high bit
> alphabets.  (I wrote an AppleSoft program to create this file by 
> writing asc codes to a TXT file.)  It didn't work; both
> sets appear to be low bit.

Applesoft can only print characters with the high bit set.  If you use
CHR$(x), Applesoft's internal PRINT code always sets the top bit
before passing the character to the I/O routines.  This forces the
character to appear in NORMAL text unless you've used the
INVERSE/FLASH commands.

When you're writing to a text file, BASIC.SYSTEM forces the high bit
off again, to comply with the standard for ProDOS text files (no
character should have the high order bit set; this has now been
extended for IIgs text files).

You can generate a text file containing all ASCII codes with the
following code:

5 LOMEM:16384
10 D$=CHR$(4)
20 FOR I=0 TO 255:POKE 8192+I,I:NEXT
30 PRINT D$;"CREATE TEXTFILE,TTXT"
40 PRINT D$;"BSAVE TEXTFILE,TTXT,A$2000,L256"

This probably isn't such a good idea - most of the control characters
will do strange things.  However, _some_ of them do contain valid
characters (Ctrl-R, S, T and U are usually check marks and Apple symbols).

Starting at character 32 (space) would be safest.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
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From: mustang@pro-storm.cts.com (Jason Addison)
Subject: Apple 5.25 Drive
Organization: ProLine [pro-storm] -- Dallas, TX -- 214/644-5113
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:04:26 CST

I have the apple 5.25 drive (the platinum one) and I recently, ahem,
dropped it on a tile floor.  It is now impossible to even stick a disk into
the drive.  Has this happened to anyone's drive before?  Any ideas on how
to fix it?  (If it requires repair, I may just buy an older drive...)  If
anybody could help I would really appreciate it -- I need this drive
working as soon as possible...thanks!

                                                Jason Addison

ProLine:  mustang@pro-storm
Internet: mustang@pro-storm.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-storm!mustang
Bitnet:   mustang%pro-storm.cts.com@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: >Avatar
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  5 Nov 92 23:03:18 GMT

>Edward Marshall, Avatar/Ultima

Avatar is a IIGS compatible computer under development by Bill "BurgerBill"
Heineman, author of all Apple II Bard's Tale's, Dragon Wars, Out of This
World, Crystal Quest, Tass Times in Tonetown, and lots of other stuff.
 
It is also an Ultima, but I don't think that's what was meant.
Origin has dropped Apple II development, it seems. I think their latest
product was Omega GS.
 
jay.krell@cornell.edu
From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: AppleNET 1.5a -- now available
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:23:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   For those interested in Derek Fong's AppleNET 1.5a BBS software, I've sent
all parts to the "ccosun.caltech.edu" FTP site. (Currently in /uploads)

   However, I'm unable to finish uploading it to c.b.a2 in binscii format, due
to a rather *big* lag on the system here. Makes dumping ASCII into an editor
impossible without corrupting the binscii'd file(s). If things improve on this
end, I'll finish uploading it to comp.binaries.apple2...until then it's now
available for those with FTP access. My appologies to those who waited so long
for the program to be distributed! (Yoshi!) :-)

   Question and comments concerning AppleNET 1.5a (and upcoming v2.0) should
be sent to Derek Fong at: "dfong@cam.org" (He should be at that address for at
least another month or two...if not longer). 


Mitchell Spector
spector@vax2.concordia.ca
From: dbhopper@eos.ncsu.edu (DANIEL BOYD HOPPER)
Subject: Read 5 1/4" Apple disks on an MS-DOS machine, anyone?
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2 
Keywords: dos, conversion
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:21:33 GMT

Have an acquaintance who recently moved from an apple to a PC machine,
unfortunately, he no longer has the apple and now wishes to transfer some
data from some apple disks of his to MS-DOS format.  My question, anything
(software, etc) out there to accomplish the task?  Seen several suggestions
to similar problems, but all involved a serial link with an apple, which
obviously is no longer a direct option.   

Also, have a Central Point Option Board (transcopy board) from years back,
which will read Mac floppies, but find no reference to reading data
off of Apple II disks (it does claims to duplicate them, but we want
to transfer the actual data off of them.

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Random Number Generation
From: <KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:12:27 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I am working on Dawn of Time for the GS and want to know the best (fastest) way
to generate random numbers.  I was actually thinking of generating a table of
32000 random numbers for the program to use over and over.  Only the starting
point would need to be randomized then and a counter incremented for each numbe
r (random) required by the program.  Is there significant enough overhead in
generating random numbers that such a random number table would be warranted or
worthwhile.

Thanks for any ideas,

Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: robm@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Mueller)
Subject: Resource Manager
Organization: Dept. Of Engineering Computer Resources, Uni. Of Melbourne
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:56:19 GMT


I wish there was a resource manager call "CompressResFork" or
something like that. Since this doesn't yet exist, or doesn't
look like it ever will, does anyone have some source (only if
it's relatively small) that will do this?

I want it from Scrapbook 2.0 which has the nasty habit that
after you paste in a large piece of scrap data and then
remove it, the Resource map has been moved to the end of
the file, so the resouce fork still ends up being rather
large.

Alternatively, does someone have a solution to this problem
that doesn't involve shuffling stuff around in the resource
fork?


Rob


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:21:08 -0500 
From: "Seth D. Kadesh" <sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ramfasts and flopticals?

ok guys.  what's the deal?  i've got a ramfast with the new roms, and
a clone pc.  i remember the discussion about the 20 meg floptical
drives that can read ibm disks - i'd like to add storage to my gs, and
the added convenience of easy data transfer would be nice.  so what
kind (manufacturer) of drive is it?  what are the exact capabilities
(high density, low density, mac disks also)?

i've got an urge to splurge......

  seth ---> sk2f@andrew.cmu.edu
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Speed
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:47:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

isc10327@nusunix1.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE) writes:

>	Running Dhrystone on my IIGS gives me only 690!  Compared with
>it, a 486DX-50 is supposedly running at about 100 times faster but it
>doesn't seem to be the way. :)

  The big difference is how well ORCA/C compiles dhrystone compared
to how well the 486 compilers generate code.

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