HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: SR-71 top speed estimatates
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:26:01 GMT
Organization: who knows


From smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)

shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes...
> ...
>The latest word here at Dryden is that we're getting the other 3 as
>well, so that all the possibly-flyable aircraft will be here.  The
>intent is not for us to fly them, but for them to be stored here.
>Some of us peons think it's so the Air Force doesn't have to maintain
>a separate facility with guards, etc.  We've already got that stuff.

I've heard that these birds may be hangered if NASA/Dryden can't drum up
enough experiments to make them worthwhile. :-(
From: jlc@u.washington.edu (Jeffrey Casterline)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Coastal defense
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:52:15 GMT
Organization: AT&T


From Jeffrey Casterline <jlc@u.washington.edu>


	Carrying the thread that has been appearing on this board,
vis-a-vis a "poor-man's cruise missile", does the US actually
maintain an adequate air-based coastal defense to shoot down
some kind of sea-launched weapon like this?

	I recognize that here and there the US has various
Naval and USAF air bases for training purposes.  Beyond this, what
other assets might be deployed?  Are there aircraft stationed at
these training facilities with sufficient and approporiate armament
to engage a cruiise missile or other air craft?

	My gut feeling is that we do not.  And while it may be
a "trivial matter" to blow something like this out of the air, we
do not have the aircraft or missile batteries in place to do so,
nor do we have the sea-level to ceiling surveillance to spot
something coming in with enough warning time to respond effectively.

					Jeff

The opinions here are, of course, mine only.
Newsgroups: sci.military
From: bobmcc@tiger.tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
Subject: Re: SR-71 top speed estimatates
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:33:45 GMT


From bobmcc@tiger.tcs.com (Bob McCormick)

In article <1992Apr11.001827.18966@cbnews.cb.att.com>, prm@ecn.purdue.edu (Phil Moyer) writes:
> 
> In addition to the three NASA birds, the Air Force has three in flying
> storage at Lockheed's Plant 42 in Palmdale, CA.  This makes a total of
> six operational Blackbirds.
 
"Operational" has a specific meaning in the military sphere.  I think you
men a total of 6 flying Blackbirds.  None are operational, meaning that
they could quickly participate in a military mission.  Even the Air Force
birds have probably had a lot of the electronics removed.  Plus, the
command/operational/maintenance structure may have been removed (guessing
now).  You don't just roll one of these things out of the hanger (after
it has been in storage for months), hop in, and take off.  It's sort of
a complex plane :-)

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From: bashiti@newton.uvm.edu (Abbas J Bashiti)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: US SMG (Was Re: US Navy's request for Beretta M9 cancellation...)
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:17:18 GMT
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility


From bashiti@newton.uvm.edu (Abbas J Bashiti)

In <1992Apr14.004127.25133@cbnews.cb.att.com> Steven.Schultz@mixcom.mixcom.com (Steven.Schultz) writes:


>From Steven.Schultz <Steven.Schultz@mixcom.mixcom.com>

>We use the M249 and M60 as SMGs, and neither are 9mm. I have specs if
>yo want them.

     I believe you've got your terms a little messed up.  A SMG is by
definition a pistol calibered Sub-Machine Gun.  You are reffering to
SAW's (Squad Automatic Weapons).  

later,
AJ
From: USCLPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil (USCINCLANT PAO)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Navy to Commission Annapolis (SSN-760)
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:56:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T


From "USCINCLANT PAO" <USCLPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil>

The following Memorandum for Correspondents was released on
Friday, 10 April, 1992 by the Department of Defense in
Washington, DC. 

NAVY TO COMMISSION SUBMARINE ANNAPOLIS (SSN-760) 
 
    The Department of the Navy will commission the
nuclear-powered attack submarine Annapolis (SSN-760) at 11:00
am., Saturday, April 11, 1992, at General Dynamics Electric Boat
Division, Groton, Conn. 
 
    VADM Bernard M. Kauderer, USN (Ret.), will be the ceremony's
principal speaker. Mrs. Myra Kauderer, wife of the principal
speaker, is the ship's sponsor. 
 
    Annapolis (SSN-760) honors the capital city of Maryland.  The
first Annapolis, a patrol gun boat (PG-10), served in Cuban
waters during the Spanish-American War.  During World War II, the
name Annapolis was assigned to a frigate (PF-15), which served as
a convoy escort.  The third Annapolis, a communications ship
(AGMR-2), received eight battle stars for service in the Vietnam
War, and three battle stars for World War II service as USS
Gilbert Islands (CVE-107). 
 
    Annapolis, an improved version, will be the 49th of 62
submarines to be built from the Los Angeles nuclear-powered
attack class.  The improved submarines have a hardened sail for
surfacing during Arctic missions as well as retractable bow
planes.  Annapolis' mission will be to track and destroy enemy
ships, primarily submarines, in order to prohibit the employment
of such forces against U.S. or allied ships.  Annapolis is 360
feet in length, has a beam of 33 feet and, upon completion, will
displace approximately 6,900 tons submerged.
From: tek@pram.CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude))
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: AGM-85(?) question
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:43:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Apr8.004318.11916
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department


From tek@pram.CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude))

In article <1992Apr4.011813.10280@cbnews.cb.att.com> john@banach.WPI.EDU (John F Stoffel) writes:
>One photo had a shot of a heli pylon with a really long harpoon
>missle.  Looked to be about 10-12' long.  The caption said it was an
>extra long range harpoon based on the SLAM concept.  Does anyone have
>any more information about this missle derivative, and or the SLAM
>concept?  Thanks!

AGM-84E Standoff Land Attack Missile (SLAM) is a Harpoon derivative
with a Walleye data link and Maverick Imaging IR seeker. Essentially,
it flies to the target area using GPS. There target selection is made
by using the data link. After the missile locks onto the target, it is
self-guiding. Prototypes were tested in the Gulf War. Some statistics:

        dimensions: 13.5" x 177"
        weight: 1385 lbs.
        payload: 488.5 lb. HE penetrating warhead
        propulsion: J402-CA-400 turbojet (600 lb. thrust)
        fuel: 100 lbs.
        speed: 0.85 mach
        range: 120 nm.

Reference: World Naval Weapon Systems (Naval Institute Press)

-ted

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: SORENSD@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
Subject: Re: sci.military Digest   V9 #69
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:49:57 GMT


From SORENSD@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU


... low level flights ...

About 4 years ago I was driving south on I-55 just south of Memphis, TN.
An F-16 flew over at about 200 feet and about 400 knots.  I don't know if
the USAF trains for this but it isn't the first time I've seen them on the deck.

Daren Sorenson

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)
Subject: Re: US Navy's request for Beretta M9 cancellation... 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:11:28 GMT


From baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)

In article <1992Apr15.232214.1855@cbnews.cb.att.com>, yuqian@bvc.edu (Suicidal Freshman) writes:
w
|> > The problem is that 9mm is supersonic (i.e. loud) and thus difficult
|> > to silence, where the 45 delivers slightly better stopping power.
|> 
|> Slightly?  I thought you REARLY can knock someone down with Bretta in one
|> shot. On the other hand, one 45 is one 45, and he will yell pretty bad.
|> I even heard some stories telling some Naval officers shot down Japanese
|> planes with that baby, don't if it's true.

Remember that the 9mm Para is used by european armies since more than 50
years, and that everyone is satisfied with it. Several European police
agencies is it also and are also satisfied, even when some of them must
use FMJ ammo (that's the case in some Swiss cantons).

The Beretta 92 is a fine pistol and is perfectly adapeted as a sidearm for
military use. Some special units may take profit of somethig else, but it
suits the needs of most people. In addition, its selection means that there
is a single type of handgun ammunition among NATO countries. That's a big
advantage there is no more risk to get 9mm supply ammo for a .45 (or the
inverse).

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Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle		e-mail: baechler@liasun6.epfl.ch
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From: MLONG@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU (Mike)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: STOL F15
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:57:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T


From         Mike <MLONG@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>

>        I SAW A SMALL, GLOSSY, COFFEE TABLE TYPE BOOK ABOUT AN EXPERIMEtal
>F-15 THAT WAS PART OF A STOL-THRUST VECTORING PROJECT. THE PLANE HAS A et
>OF CANARDS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE TURBINE AIR INTAKES AND A SET OF THRUS
>VECTORING FLAPS BEHIND THE AFTERBURNERS. I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DIG UP ABOt
>IT'S PERFORMANCE.
While at Pratt and Whitney a lot of my collegues were working on this.
I've seen the video tape of test flights of the aircraft. I don't have
the stats that the narrator was giving but I believe the thrust vectors
provided 15 degrees up or down and also had a completely closed setting
that redirected the flow much like a thrust reverser. These vectors were
huge wedges of titanium mounted aft of the burners. Really a beautiful
machine to watch perform. Hopefully someone else has more details.

TWO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS......

1) How long would it take a 16" shell from an Iowa to travel it's max
   range?

[mod.note: According to Campbell's _Naval Weapons of World War Two_,
time of flight to 40,000 yards for the 2700-lb APC shell is 79.96 seconds.
Max range for that projectile is 42,345 yds. - Bill ]

2) There was a discussion on this list a while ago about 50 cal rifles,
   are there any 50 cal single shot break open type pistols (excluding
   black powder of course) that use 50 cal machine gun ammo? (A six pack
   of Sam Adams Boston Lager is riding on this answer)
Thanks guys for any and all info.
MLONG@UCONNVM
From: TSLYWKA@ucs.indiana.edu (Terence R. Slywka)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: I am compiling personal accounts of war (Q)
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:51:09 GMT
Organization: AT&T


From "Terence R. Slywka" <TSLYWKA@ucs.indiana.edu>

[mod.note:  Followups by email to the poster, please. - Bill ]

I fact that I have recently become acutely aware of is that as World War II
fades into the mists of history fewer and fewer people remain to tell theirr
own stories about it.  To try to perserve as much of this history as possible
I have decided to start of story archive.  This collection will not be
for publication.  It maybe given to university history departments or 
museum collections.  I understand that writing about what happened during 
the war may be time consuming or difficult, but I urge everyone who was there
to do so.  I am looking for stories of any kind about World War II (in 
particular), but I am also interested in stories about any other military
action, no matter when it occurred or who was involved.  Please contact me
if there are any questions or to offer comments.  Accounts can be sent
to me by direct e-mail (please include a 'archive' subject line), bitnet
file transfer or U.S. 'snail' mail.  If you know of ANYONE with a story 
please have them send it to me, even if they aren't on the list.  I would
like for this to be the best collection of its kind.  Also, if anyone has
any contacts in any other countries who might be of help, please pass this
request on the them or their address on to me.

Thank you in advance for the great help.

Terence Slywka
Indiana University
Internet:  TSLYWKA@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Bitnet:   TSLYWKA@IUBACS

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Newsgroups: sci.military,soc.history
From: military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)
Subject: 50 Years Ago: Tuesday, 14 April, 1942
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:58:45 GMT


From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

Tuesday, 14 April, 1942

U-85, commanded by Oberleutenant Eberhard Greger, is sunk off Cape 
Hatteras by USS Roper (DD 147), commanded by Lt. Commander Hamilton Howe.  
U-85 is the first German submarine to be sunk in American waters during WWII.

The Italian torpedo boat Pegaso sinks the British submarine Upholder off 
Tripoli.  The Upholder's commander was the British "ace" Lt.-Cdr. Wanklyn.

Under German political pressure Prime Minister Petain reappoints Pierre 
Laval as Premier.  Laval was sacked in December 13, 1940 for urging 
cooperation with Germany.   Laval forms a new government, and Petain
continues as head of state, with mostly ceremonial duties.

British troops begin destroying the oil installations at Yenangyaung, Burma
to prevent their capture by Japan.

Britain doubles the sales tax for clothing and carpets to 66 per cent.  A
pack of ten cigarettes now carries a 6-1/2 to 7-1/2 pence tax.

Plan "Bolero," a US proposal for deployment of forces to Britain in
preparation for opening a second front against Germany, is accepted by
London.

Reporter: Terrill Ray <TRAY@MARS1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU>
          skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Reference: _Torpedo Junction_ by Homer H. Hickam, Jr. (1989) ISBN 0-440-21027-5
Reference: _Reader's Digest: The World at Arms_

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pay it.  War is never cheap -- but it is a million times cheaper to win
than to lose." - Emil Schram, President of the New York Stock Exchange
From: asbarnes@mtu.edu (ALAN BARNES)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: Sci-VW: Re: TECH: VR Studio Demo?
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:17:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu


In reference to the demo...I don't know right off hand but I will check.  I
have the VR studio and with it can do whatever I want to the "game".  I will
got through the different areas and find the last bar.  c ya


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From: tonlun@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Tony Lundstedt)
Subject: MISC: How advanced is VR today?
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:39:40 GMT


We are a group students at Uppsala University that is going to write a
minor essey on VR. Since there is almost no research in Sweden about VR,
I am sending out this request for help in finding good references.

I am very interested in military appliations myself, since being an 
officer in the Swedish Army, but I am very glad to accept any information
avout how advanced VR is today. Also, if anyone can remember any good
articels in Scientific American, Omni, Nature or any other magazine.
(Not the article in Playboy, April 1992 !)

We have a deadline on May 5. I hope that someone out there has got good
information to us.

Our E-mail: tonlun@student.docs.uu.se
            tonlun@london.docs.uu.se
            mikhil@student.docs.uu.se
            mikhil@ida.csd.uu.se


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From: dbarberi@mailbox.syr.edu (London W11)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: TECH: Equipment info
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:17:15 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu


In the past, machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin) writes:
>I am looking for virtual reality equipment on any level which is capable
>of the following:
>
>  Multiple people in the same reality (at least two but more would be nice)
>  Two glove input devices per person (not a must)
>  Quick head tracking device per person
>  Medium to high resolution visual display (320x200 and up) with full color
>  3D sound

    You might want to look at RB2, Reality Built for 2, by VPL.  I have
only read about the system, but it sounds like what you're looking for.
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From: gwertzma@husc10.harvard.edu (James Gwertzman)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: TECH: VR Studio Demo?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:06:22 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu


I have a question that no one has seemed to answer. What is VR Studio,
where can I get it and its demo, and what sort of machine does it run on?
Hearing all of you describe it has made it sound like a fantastic VR
demonstration. Is it really as good as it might sound to a niave observer?

Talking heads? Waterfalls? Swimming underwater? Please let me know.

[Moderator (Mark): Again-- VR Studio Demo is on milton.u.washington.edu,
        in directory ~ftp/public/virtual-worlds/cheap-vr.  It's "zip"ped,
        and the unzip program is in the same directory.  Be sure to get them
        in binary format.  The Demo is for a PC, preferrable 386 or above.]
From: TOBIAS@bonnie.physik.uni-stuttgart.de
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: TECH: Radiation
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:18:28 GMT
Organization: University of Stuttgart, FRG
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu


In <1992Apr12.001217.1343@u.washington.edu> dionf@ere.umontreal.ca writes:

> 
> Or maybe with a lot of leds and optic fibers? 8)

Yeah ! I also think that this would be the best solution. Before
experiment a little bit the the Watchman and the LCDs I though
about taking a medical endoscope optic and a `normal` monitor.
Asking a doctor he answered that such a optic for medical use
is far to exensive.
After that I asked one of my physics profs. He told me that only
the cable (containing several thousand of fibres) would cost
approximately 10000 DM ( about 7000 $).
So forget it.

Bye. Tobias.
From: 092133@adpdp2.lanl.gov (092133)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Looking for VR in LA
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpdp2.6APR199213412457
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu


Send responses to my EM address:

palmer_mary_m@allin1.adpdp2.lanl.gov
From: rbk@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Richard Kirby)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: APPS: VR for training systems
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:37:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr16.063109.17349
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu



I'm looking for any information/references/contacts on the use of VR in
training, especially in the UK.

Thanks in advance

Richard.

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From: pepke@scri1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: TECH: Synchronized communications between various machines
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:51:51 GMT
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu



If I were doing such a thing (and I have done networked games before), I 
would ignore the problem of synchronous communication.  Send object 
updates whenever you can.  You can have a semaphore scheme to make sure 
that there won't be any races, and you can use the same scheme to make a 
batch of updates.  Organize each program as an event loop, updating frames 
as fast as it can based on the current state.  Each time through the event 
loop will look at a system clock to see how much time it's been since the 
last update.  I'm sure that every machine you are likely to want to use 
somewhere has a heartbeat interrupt that would work for this.  Send the 
first and second time derivative along with object position information.  
Use that and the time since last update to interpolate object position 
when the time sampling of position is too coarse.

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From: earl@netcom.com (Earl Vickers)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: TECH: Radiation
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:57:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr17.183350.13267
Organization: Reality Factory
Originator: hlab@milton.u.washington.edu



I was talking to a friend about HMDs. He told me that the video artist
who used to work with Nam Jun Paik, and who played a cello with
TV monitors in it, had ended up with cancer of both breasts.

Considering that radiation intensity is inversely proportional to the
square of the distance, plus the fact that some forms of radiation will
attenuate even faster than that due to shielding from air particles, etc.,
would you really want to put a pair of color monitors an inch away from
your eyes? Or even B&W monitors? I don't have the answer, but I think
it's an important question.

Earl Vickers            earl@netcom.com