HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mikebe@i88.isc.com (Michael G. Beirne)
Subject: Re: Problem with 600foot tapes
Organization: Interactive Systems Corporation, Naperville,IL
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:17:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.164711.17482@areyes.com> deano@areyes.com (Dean Carpenter) writes:
>  I just inherited several HP Certified Data Cartridges, pretty
>standard looking DC6150 tapes.  They are marked as being 600 feet
>but the spools have the legend :
>
>	PreFormatted - Do not degauss

HP tapes are 16 track PreFormatted and not DC6150 tapes.
HP's cartridge tape drive has 16 tracks low density and an Archive 2150S
is ? tracks high density.

>up ?  Can I / should I degauss the tapes ?

It doesn't matter now as the Archive formats on writes. Either dump
the tapes or give them to someone with an HP workstation and a HP
Cartridge tape drive.

Mike Beirne

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From: eric@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.arch,comp.unix.wizards,comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: The Great 1992 UNIX Dream Machines Bake-Off --- Progress Report #1
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:44:12 GMT

It's late, I'm tired, and I'm fed up with being polite to utter pinheads.

In <11503@ksr.com> Paul Harsha wrote:
> Or maybe just that he's dealt with you before.  "free" is a relative term
> here.  If you rephrase it as "put in hundreds of hours of work and acquire a
> hundreds thousand dollars worth of free hardware and software" it seems much
> less of a noble undertaking.  You are clearly profiting by this event.

I have news for you, dimwit.  On my last contract, I charged $110 an hour.  The
system I expect to net out of this would cost somewhere between 10 and 12 K$
Because I suspect you haven't got the brains the Gods gave bastard geese in
Ireland, I'll do the long division for you; 12K$ is 109 hours of my time.  Now,
given that I expect to have to plow at least 400 hours into this project, even
you should be able to calculate the potential income I'm forgoing by committing
my time to the Bake-Off.

> It's not even clear that you're really bootstrapping people up to an awareness
> of the Unix market or that no one else has ever assembled such information. 

Fine, asshole.  You go *find* that information.  *Then* flame me.
 
> Why does this remind me of your explaining that you were publishing the
> Hacker's Dictionary in order to benefit programmers?  At least Brad Templeton
> never claims that his sole motivation is helping mankind... 

Nor have I ever done so, idiot.  I have a healthy self-interest involved in
*all* my projects.  I'm surrendering that $80 an hour because I *like* being
a paladin of the net --- because I groove on doing good stuff for other
hackers like me, and on the prospect of having thousands of the brightest
people in the world think "Eric Raymond, yeah, he does crazy useful things no
one else would quite have both the smarts and the chutzpah to try".

The fact is, I *am* "helping mankind" --- for good selfish reasons of ego
satisfaction and a hell of a lot more effectively than your snotty comments
will *ever* do.  I've put literally *years* of my life into free software; if
you use any UNIX EMACS or play nethack or use kermit the odds are damn good
that you've run your bleeding program counter through code I wrote and gave
away.  When you can claim as much *and* show me a book you did that's delighted
as many netters as TNHD, *and* utter in two weeks from a cold standing start a
1200-line FAQ that experienced netters are willing to call "the most useful
posting I've seen in years" in public --- when you can do these things, *then*
I will listen respectfully while you poor-mouth my motives and methods.

In the meantime, I will thank Goddess my chosen role doesn't *always* require
me to suffer fools gladly, and cordially invite you to bugger off.
-- 
      Eric S. Raymond = eric@snark.thyrsus.com  (mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: sam@csi.compuserve.com (Sam Neely)
Subject: Re: ISC TCP 1.2 Ether Card?
Keywords: ISC TCP 1.2 Ethernet card
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:47:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.033151.20643@cs.yale.edu> karp-brad@CS.YALE.EDU (Brad Karp) writes:
> [...]
>My TCP 1.2 has been patched with ISC's SSU.4a update, if that means anything.
>
>What I'd like to know:
>
>Does there exist an ethernet card which works fine with ISC TCP 1.2 which
>delivers good performance and will run fine with NFS? If not, what will it
>cost me (if anything) to upgrade to a version of ISC TCP which will be
>reliable for ethernet use?

TCP/IP 1.2 is a piece of trash.  Upgrade it immediately or you will need
minoxidil to replace the hair that you've pulled out trying to get it to
work.  Last I heard, the cost to upgrade from 1.2 to 1.3 was $50.

I use Western Digital / SMC WD8013's on my machines.  I've not run into
problems with it...
-- 
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5000 Arlington Centre Blvd, Columbus, OH  43220	    +1 614 457 0348 (FAX)
Electronic Mail:  InfoPlex: >CSI:SAM      Internet: SAM@CSI.COMPUSERVE.COM
I have NOT lost my mind... It's backed up on tape somewhere.
From: girj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: ESIX mailing listSKIP/NEWSGROUP
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:58:16 EDT
Summary: getting to esix mailing list host
Reply-To: girj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Followup-To: comp.unix.sysv386
Distribution: comp.unix.sysv386
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Apr12.003736.20072@unixland.natick.ma.us>,
bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes: 
> 04/11/92 (last posted 01/15/92)
> -- 
> bill@unixland.natick.ma.us   ...!uunet!{think,world}!unixland!bill
> Public Access UNIX / USENET / E-MAIL Accounts are available! (508) 655-3848
> 5 lines  -  Located in Natick, MA   USA    Supporting V.32/PEP/V.42bis, etc.

I would very much like to subscribe to the esix mailing list but none of our
name servers seem to know your machine.  Could we email me your internet
address or an alternate way of getting to your machine?  I hope you can read
this on this discussion group as I can't send you any mail 'cause it
bounces back to me as undeliverable!

 shavea 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: mattair@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Charles Mattair)
Subject: ISC 3.0 X server problems
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:40:21 GMT

I think this has been discussed before but I couldn't find it in our
archives.  Any way, here goes.

Just put down ISC 3.0 with X 11.4 and Motif 1.1.  Everything worked fine
until I try to run X.  The display is SVGA with an Orchid Prodesigner II,
1024x768, 256 colors.

The problem is some of the X clients, specifically maze, lock the server.
Nothing works.  My only option is to go to a virtual terminal, kill most
of the stuff associated with the X session and go back to the console vt.

X will then start with no problem but the problem is infinitely repeatable.

Any theories...
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Consensys V4
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:01:58 GMT

marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - System Admin) writes:
>	I'm looking at purchasing Consensys V4 within the next
>few months and am looking for some information.  I know that
>the support is the pits (from one user), but I hear that the
>product is good, and all manuals are on-line, so why print paper? :)


While I certainly think on-line manpages are a Good Thing, I also think
paper manuals can be invaluable.  For instance if you need to run 
mkfs or newfs to recover from some disaster, on-line manpages won't help
a bit when you're trying to figure out which options to use :-)
-- 
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Public Access UNIX / USENET / E-MAIL Accounts are available! (508) 655-3848
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From: jle9162@venus.tamu.edu (ECKHARDT, JASON LEE)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: For sale?
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:07:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


WANTED:

  Development system for SCO UNIX 3.2.2 for a reasonable price..
  Don't care if it's used or whatever...so if you have a Dev. sys. 
 you don't use laying around, sell it...

BTW, I'm doing this because I can't afford the OUTRAGEOUS price of SCO's
dev. sys. from them new...

And my only alternative to buying a copy from someone is switching to a less
expensive, COMLETE unix system such as Consensys. I would rather not have
to switch to a different system though.. (complete consensys UNIX system with
dev. sys., TCP/ip, x-windows, etc. is only $495...half the price of JUST
the SCO dev. system.)

Thanks, Jason

Also if anyone has bought and used Consensys, I would love some comments
on the system as I am seriously considering buying it..
From: Hannu.Martikka@lut.fi (Hannu Martikka)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Trident VGA and X386
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:33:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Disclaimer: All my opions are mine. (usually)

Hi!

I have dell unix with trident vga (1Mb).
So, is there trident driver for X11R5? or do I have to buy card
with et4000?

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From: talvola@qin.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Talvola)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: X386 (X11R5) binaries for SCO Unix?
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:35:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: qin.TALVOLA.92Apr7213520
Organization: /usr/users/talvola/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: qin.berkeley.edu


Does anyone have built X11R5 binaries available for SCO Unix?  The places
in the various FAQs with X386 binaries seem to be either X11R4 (which SCO
has), or for SVR4, which are presumably ELF binaries which I can't use.
The main thing I would like are Athena Widget libraries, which do not come
with SCO ODT apparently.  But, I figure I would get X386 and do some tests
versus SCO's own X.  Anyway, any pointers to binaries would be appreciated,
or else I'll download all the source and compile away.

-- Erik

P.S.: Also, should I build GCC 2.1 first before building X11R5?  Will I
see much of a speedup on an 80486 system?

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From: davidsen@yeti.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: ISA machines are cheap, not excellent, Unix machines
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:25:02 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Apr03.180525.25152@rfengr.com>, rfarris@rfengr.com (Rick Farris) writes:
|  In article <1992Apr2.231254.262@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
|  
|  > Intel lowers the price when they don't sell them as fast as
|  > they can make them. That's why the prices of 486 systems
|  > have come down, the 486 yeild is up, inital demand is down,
|  > presto the price adjusts.
|  
|  Surely you jest!  The price of 486 systems is down because
|  Intel is trying to drive AMD (and others now?) out of the
|  market. 

No, Intel doesn't make money on chips in the warehouse. When production
goes up or sales go down the price adjusts. This is what any sensible
company does. You can't keep the price high if you have competition of
any kind, including fast 386's.

Delivery has been very good on 486s, which means (to me) that Intel is
making them as fast as they get orders. And the 25's have disapeared,
because the yeild on 33's is just fine. Now the 50's are coming down in
price (saw motherboard, cpu, and 256k cache for $875 Saturday), as the
CPU price falls.

Intel would be stupid to keep the price so high that they don't sell
them all, or so low that they are backordered. This is economics, not
"good guy, bad guy" stuff.
-- 
	- bill davidsen (davidsen@crd.ge.com)
	GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: SVr4 and clone hardware buyer's FAQ
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:51:43 GMT

Woa,

Wait a minute here.  I'm not in love with SCO or anything BUT.  I don't
think that SCO's being deceptive with the .4 product.  NO ONE, and I
repeat NO ONE buying Unix products is deceived about this.  People who
purchase or recommend these types of products could probably care less
if it was called SCO-OS or #1000.  They are looking for a set of
features to be able to run applications with.  The fact that SCO 3.2.4
has many of the features of SVR4 will tend to get it compared to that
product any way.  If you wanna blast SCO, for selling an EXTREMELY
similar product with a Somewhat similar name, then We need to blast AMD
and CYRIX for selling '386 and '486 chips even though they are
FUNCTIONALLY the same they ARE NOT INTEL 386/486 Chips, nor are they
licensed by INTEL.

So what's the deal?
-- 
Keith Smith          uunet!ksmith!keith            5719 Archer Rd.
Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...
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Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.msdos
From: ice@skynet.uucp (Ice)
Subject: virus threat in vp/ix? Re: SUMMARY: Accessing DOS partition 
Organization: Cyberdyne Systems Corporation
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 17:50:13 GMT

In this thread, someone said that a security hole is created if vp/ix
is configured for higher performance, whereby a virus could get through.

Could someone explain how this could happen? I've tried to visualize how
it would happen, but I can't make sense of it at all.

Is the idea that if there are viruses on the DOS partition, they can
very quickly infiltrate the VP/ix virtual drive?

Is there a danger to the Unix side of things?

I am concerned about this, since one of my friend got nailed with a virus,
and I am doing a project with him. And I do my work with VP/ix sometimes.

Thanks in advance.

Ice.	ice@skynet.uucp
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Did they take adb out of Unix for SVR4?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:23:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.071438.2731@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
> Okay, who stole my adb?  It was there in SysVr3;

SVR3 point what? It wasn't in SVR3.2.

> in fact, I'd bet it's
> been in Unix ever since V7, and probably before that.

I'll take you up on that bet. $100?

> It also doesn't make
> much sense that AT&T would take something *out* of the OS for a new
> release

	Man pages, troff, nroff, ...?
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From: jle9162@venus.tamu.edu (ECKHARDT, JASON LEE)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: trident 8900
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:16:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have SCO unix 3.2.2 running on a 486/33 with a Trident 8900 SVGA card.

Is there an update or driver available by anonymous ftp that supports the
256 color modes of the Trident 8900 card?

Thanks, Jason.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.opendesktop,biz.sco.general
From: pete@wvus.org (Pete Gregory - UNIX SA)
Subject: Re: What does SCO "2 user limit" mean with ODT?
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:40:34 GMT
Keywords: sco odt 2 user limit logins

In article <1992Apr13.180445.15776@news.nd.edu> losecco@undpdk.hep.nd.edu (John LoSecco) writes:
>How many logins are allowed under SCO-ODT with a 2 user license?
>When running X I can indeed utilize other multiscreens but if I attempt
>to telnet back from another node I get :
>
>telnetd: Attempt to exceed system login limit.
>
>What is wrong?  Have I misunderstood something?

Nothing is wrong.  Here's how the 2-user license works.  You can log into
the console multiterminals any number of times (up to 12 if you've
configured that many) with as many different userid's as you wish.  That
counts as ONE.

An INBOUND telnet or rlogin counts as ONE.

Logging into a serial port counts as ONE.  In fact, just the getty being
there counts as ONE.

An example or two...

...if you are logged in (any number of times) into the console and have
a getty on a serial port, no inbound telnet/rlogin will be allowed.

...if you have a getty on a serial port (or if some is logged in on the
serial port - makes no difference), and someone else has an INBOUND
telnet/rlogin session, you cannot log into the console (except as root
on tty01 if memory serves me correctly).  This one really sucks.

-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: rexw@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rex Warren)
Subject: Printing from SCO
Reply-To: rexw@hardy.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:09:30 GMT


Sorry if this is the wrong group and subject.  I realize this may be a
genaric unix question but here goes.

Can I print to a printer that is attached to a terminal?  If so, How?

Thanks in advance.  Mail or post here or flame but please provide an
answer.

Rex Warren
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL --- The Great 1992 UNIX Dream Machines Bake-Off
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:06:44 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

In article <1g0YV6#50vCGv87xMXj64cm3J2Jp3ly=eric@snark.thyrsus.com> eric@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:

>Many of you will already know that I've broadcast, on comp.unix.sysv386, two
>issues of a FAQ list and buyer's guide covering UNIX software for 386/486
>machines and the appropriate clone-hardware vendors.
...
>1) Who May Participate

>A. The 1992 Bake-Off is open to any PC-clone vendor offering a system
>representing current cutting-edge clone technology; that is, 486-50/DX EISA
>SCSI boxes with SVGA-or-better color displays and an X-compatible mouse.  The
>system will also be required to support QIC-02/QIC-36 tapes for OS loading.

One BIG question.  Why is this limited to EISA machines.  Why not the
MCA architecture.   I remember reading specs on an ALR machine (One of
the few (if not only) that makes both and EISA and MCA, and the MCA
outperformed EISA in some respects.    And what about the NCR machines,
or any of the manfacturers of MCA bus based machines other than IBM.

Inquiring minds want to know!
-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: Will IDE work with ISC sysv r3 2.2?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:22:49 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <1992Apr1.212529.21978@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson) writes:
>
>Can anyone tell me if Interactive's Sysv R3 2.2 will work with IDE drives?
>
>I called Interactive (now Solaris) and they said no, that I'd need to
>upgrade my OS for $100.00 to R3 3.0, plus more money for the network
>stuff, compiler,etc.  Someone else told me has gotten 2.2 to work with
>IDE.  Does it work with some and not with others?
>
For what it us worth I installed ISC 2.2 on a Gateway 2000 200MB IDE
no problem. I was surprised at how easy the installation was. The only
problem I had was that my system had a busmouse and this generated 
an IRQ conflict with gendev. I just chaneged the gendev device entry and
the kernel remade no problem.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
From: crusoe@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Andre' Zehl)
Subject: X11R5: make breaks (ISC3.2.2 AND gnu make) at libX11.a
Keywords: X11R5 ISC make
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: comp.unix.sysv386
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:40:47 GMT

Trying to compile libX11.a ISC's (3.2.2.1) make broke with a
	
	Make: Hash table overflow. Stop

while gnu make (don't know the version presently) did the same with a
	
	make: execve: /bin/sh: Arg list too long
	make: *** [Makefile] Error 127 (ignored)
	make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
	Bus error (core dumped)

. The problem seems to be, that there are maybe a (approx.) 100 files to
compile. The Makefile was (of course) generated by imake. 
Is there an other solution except reediting the Makefile (bugfix, 
command-line optionm or something similar)?
Any hint is appreciated - Thanks in advance!
--
Andre'
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