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From: zxmgn01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Philipp Knirsch)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:52:56 GMT

In <1992Sep30.013510.13771@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> schram@spot.Colorado.EDU (Steve Schram) writes:

>How about we start a new group for the falcon?  I believe it more than
>deserves its own group.  How 'bout it?

Good idea!!! :)

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From: humphrie@wam.umd.edu (James B. Humphries)
Subject: Board meeting?  ...At TOAD????
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:36:04 GMT


A board meeting at TOAD?   Yeah right... the owners/partners of toad are still
in college.  Maybe they would discuss it over SUBWAY subs but board meeting?


By the way.. anyone seen TOAD music?   It is in TOAD's old location which is
right across the street from the new location.  Great CD store.  You can listen
to CDs BEFORE you buy and sell used ones.  TONS of imports!!!

(No I don't work for them... I just know them... I pay the same prices though)

Jim
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From: leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich)
Subject: Convert picture formats??? Which program?
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:07:29 GMT

Just a simple question.
I'm looking for a program that can convert several picture formats.
I want especially to convert a 16 color gif to a black and white degas
picture (320x200 to 640x400).

I think there must be a program to do this, but which?
And where can I find it (pd/shareware/freeware).

Leon Pillich
University of Nijmegen, Holland
email: leonp@cs.kun.nl
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                                      John Lennon
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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Software search
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:36:53 GMT

ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:

>JV Enterprises is coming out with a catalog this Winter.  We are
>currently looking for individuals who has worked hard developing
>QUALITY programs for the Atari ST, TT, MEGA, STE Computers; and
>feels hesitant to release their program as a PD or Shareware
>file.
> 
>If you or anyone you know is interested in this alternative
>marketing, please leave your name and address, along with a short
>description of the program and we will send you a submission
>pack.

What *is* this 'alternative marketing'??? Why should I be interested?
Could someone with more 'vision' than this 'troubled mind' of mine please
enlighten me?

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From: garth@splunge.uucp (Garth Wood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convert picture formats??? Which program?
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:56:33 GMT
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood

leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:

>Just a simple question.
>I'm looking for a program that can convert several picture formats.
>I want especially to convert a 16 color gif to a black and white degas
>picture (320x200 to 640x400).

>I think there must be a program to do this, but which?
>And where can I find it (pd/shareware/freeware).

You've asked for PD/shareware/freeware stuff, but I thought I'd let you
(and everyone else) know about a good commercial program which does a
great deal of conversions, as well as stretching, changing aspect ratios,
and so forth:
  
   STyle 1.0 by Zocra Technologies, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
   Loads and Saves any of the following formats (and can load
   in one format and save in another, with numerous image
   manipulations prior to saving):
 
   AIM (.IM), BMP (Windows & OS/2), CP8, Degas (all filetypes),
   EPSF, FastLoad (.FL), GIF, IMG, NEO, MacPaint, MacStartUpScreen,
   PCX, TIFF (packbits only), Tiny (.TN).
 
   Cost is around $35.00 Canadian funds.  Zocra can be contacted at
   
     #4, 319 MacKay Street
     Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
     K1M 2B7
 
     Phone: (613) 741-5817
 
   I've tried this program, and it works like a hot damn (although using
   certain manipulation-and-save combinations can be *quite* slow).
 
Garth Wood du
>University of Nijmegen, Holland
>email: leonp@cs.kun.nl
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From: jeff.molofee@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Jeff Molofee) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: photochrome pics ? where?
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: jeff.molofee@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Jeff Molofee) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS-UUCP

If you don't mind an interlaced looking display, then call TEC BBS at
1-403-458-3979, register, and then go to the FILES/DOORS section.  Go
into the Interchangable files directory, and I have a few .RAW files and
a few PChrome images for you to look at... they're not bad, but they do
flicker alot.
From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Game designers workshop what/why/how/etc
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:03:15 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Oct5.141820.1677@newshost.lanl.gov>
hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>The Game Designers Workbench is completed...

Actually that's Game Workbench.

>it's just that there have been some organizational difficulties with the
>company who owns the distribution license for it.

Double Click Software.
>The principle author of GDW is Dave Baggett who frequents the Usenet, so why
>not send him email at dmb@wam.umd.edu and ask him the real story?

I just don't have the same 'net profile' as Dave so I don't think he'll mind
if I steal some glory here. :-)
Game Workbench is a joint project by both Dave and myself equally.
I'm primarily responsible for the low level layers concerning image drawing,
scrolling, hardware access etc while Dave's code layers on top the kernal,
which controls sprite animation, screen control etc, and a friendly
programming interface that simplifies game writing as a whole.
As Dave says: "The Unix of game writing".

If you want more information about when Game Workbench will be released then
I suggest you talk to Mike Vederman at Double Click Software.

A quick note about the Falcon (I know no-one is interested but what the hell
:-)
At the moment Game Workbench does not support any of the new features offered
by the Falcon but that will probably change in the future.
However Game Workbench is fully Falcon compatible and will certainly benefit
from the extra speed in terms of sprites and scroll smoothness.

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From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: Re: 1.4 meg floppy on an ST?
Keywords: high density, disk, drive, floppy
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 21:21:39 EDT

In article <4323@wet.UUCP> ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.155413.28048@newstand.syr.edu> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
>>Here's my idea.  I've got an ICD Fast hard drive.  Right now
>>I've got a Cutting Edge 44meg Syquest Removable plugged into
>>the SCSI port of the ICD drive.  This SCSI drive unit was made
>>for the Mac world, but works fine in ST mode as well as in
>>Spectre mode (it works in msdos mode, too...via ATSpeed).
>>Anyway, what if I were to buy something like the Infinity
>>Turbo Floppy 1.4 (currently $289 from MacWarehouse) and chain
>>it off of my Syquest?  I imagine it would work in Spectre
>>mode, but doesn anybody have any idea if it would work in ST
>>mode (or msdos mode via ATSpeed)?  If so, I think it would be
>>a pretty resonable solution for high-density floppies!
>
>Better yet, spend $110 more for a Freedom Floptical from PMC and you can get
>21megs on a floptical as well as 1.44meg and 720K support.  The drive
>from PMC comes with the Link from ICD and is ready to run on the ST.
>
>I don't believe that Spectre has 1.44meg drive support yet.
>
>Also, I'm not familiar with the TurboFloppy from PLI, but if it doesn't
>have an eject button, you're going to need to have a paper clip around
>when you want to eject disks. :^)  I don't think Spectre will actually 
>eject the disks for you.  Moreover, at Glendale, the guys at ICD used a
>software program to tell a Mac-based floptical to eject a disk from an
>ST.  It was just a TOS program.  I don't know if that program is available.
>   |||    Ed Krimen
>   |||    ekrimen@wet.com
>  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)

This is VERY interesting news (to me, at least), Ed.  Could
you tell me how to get in touch with PMC?  You see, I just saw
the Toad ad in CN for the Insite Peripherals floptical...the
price on that is $599 (with the Link and one disk included).
Your comments make it seem as if PMC has a similar product for
about $400, which would make it quite attractive!  (I noticed
that PLI makes a floptical for the Mac, sold by MacConnection
for $479)...
In any event, the Freedome Floptical seems mighty
tempting...does anybody out there have one?
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
  
PS.  Is PMC Purple Mountain Computers? The company selling the
Gemulator?

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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: SCSI II on Falcon
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:17:25 GMT

In article 2359@ugle.unit.no, stigvi@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Vidar Hovland) writes:
>Can someone tell me what kind of plug Falcon have for the SCSI port.
>I know it have 50 pins, but is it a ordinary or a mini delta ribbon
>and is it male or female?
>
>Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no


The Falcon has an "industry standard SCSI-2" type port, whatever that means.  :)

Perhaps some more hardware-knowledgeable folks here can explain the difference.
How does this differ from say, the "standard" SCSI ports used with Mac's?
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From: pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli)
Subject: Re: Toad Computers
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:25:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.132027.27082@digi.lonestar.org> rgoseweh@digi.lonestar.org (Roy Gosewehr) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.151644.7135@cs.mun.ca> avp@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Anthony Paul) writes:
>>Well today marks 5 weeks from the day I ordered from Toad Computers.
>>
>>I had heard only good things about this company.  I seriously
>>doubt I will ever order from them again.
>
>[...stuff deleted ...]
>

  I have ordered from Toad computers twice and both times I was treated 
courteously and have had no problems with my orders.  Of course, both times
I was ordering over $100 worth of merchandise so that might have had 
something to do with it! :)


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From: dillenbu@bert.eecs.uic.edu (John Dillenburg)
Subject: Re: GCC 2.1 and templates..bug?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:33:08 GMT

as327@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roy Bixler) writes:

>In a previous article, POHLERB@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Bjarne Pohlers) says:

>>In article <1992Sep29.233920.10870@bert.eecs.uic.edu>,
>>dillenbu@bert.eecs.uic.edu (John Dillenburg) says:
>>>
>>>I get two bombs when I try to compile the following C++ code
>>>using GCC 2.1, anyone know why?
>> How much memory do you have? Sometimes GCC bombs at my system, if there
>> is not enough memory...

>It could also be because GCC 2.1 does not support templates.

YOu mean it doesn't fully support templates?  I have been able to compile
simple template classes, I just can't get the << operator to overload
with a template class.  By the way, my TT has 8 megs of memory so I don't
think running out of memeory is my problem...

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From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: New Mac Prices tough on Falcon
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:38:38 GMT

In article <H.ea.JI8f8I5PZfY@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>, jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
(John Henders) wrote:
> 
>    This is the catch-22 of the whole thing, isn't it? No one wants 
> a computer that doesn't have a lot of software available for it, and 
> no one want's to take a chance writing for a machine that has such
> a small userbase. I wonder if Atari's money would be better spent 
> commissioning software to be written for them than on advertising?

IMHO, Atari has to do both: attract more developers and advertise. If they
advertise and promote their computers more they would attract more
developers.  But they have to do more than this to attract developers: 
Atari has to support them.  Look at the situation with the Macintosh:
Inside Mac series, APDA, Develop, ETO, regular tecnical notes, and Apple
University to name a few.
And the more Apple support their product, the more support it gets from
other souces:  Look at all the books on programming for the Mac or on
tutorials for different applications.

Yes it is a catch-22.  And it is up to Atari itself to solve the problem. 
Forget "revolution".  And forget the new campaign (sorry but I forgot the
name) that's been discussed recently.  Without Atari's commitment, it's
useless.

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*Usual disclaimer applies.*
From: etlgtme@etlxd20.ericsson.se (Grant McFarlane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:33:23 GMT
Reply-To: etlgtme@etlxd20.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Burgess Hill, England

In article 13790@u.washington.edu, antony@milton.u.washington.edu (Anthony Hand) writes:
>>From what i've heard the Falcon 040 is going to be in an IBM style
>> case. I think! I must remember to capture that message about it and
>> post it here.  Don't take this as fact though....until I post that
>> message, my memories shocking! :-(.
>
>I've heard this also.  I just hope that the all-in-one case doesn't scare off so
many buyers that Atari isn't able to finance this second machine.
>
Not so in the UK. 'ST Format' magazine (October) reported that the first
Falcons (base model ie no hard drive) to be on sale in the UK will be in the
old 1040 STe style case, the only noticable difference being that the keyboard
keys are a dark grey, and the FALCON 030 logo of course. (They had a picture).
I don't know how the model with the built in 65Mb hard drive will look.
IMHO this is one almighty f**k up. When I bought my 520 STFM originally I
hated how it looked but LOVED its capabilities, especially MIDI. Jesus, how I
hate those function keys. I only hope Atari come to there senses and give this
machine the professional look it deserves. B-(

Here's some prices I saw in November's issue of 'ST Format' (Yes! Its on sale
NOW!! in the UK). I called a supplier to ask if he had any in stock. "They'll
be in stock in a week and a half", he said.

(Prices in UK pounds)

      1.44 Floppy | + 65Mb HD
     ------------------------
1Mb      499      |   899
2Mb      529      |   929
4Mb      579      |   979
8Mb      779      |  1179
16Mb     979      |  1379

Grant.

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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New Games on Atari Archive
Keywords: games atari archive
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:42:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

mjb@cs.nott.ac.uk (M J Brownlow) writes:

>Hi all!

>Just a word to let you know that I'll be uploading a couple of games to
>atari archive later on today, so they'll be available in a few days..

>The games are:

>GRAV 2:  Follow up to GRAV, much improved!

>CHAOS:   An unofficial conversion of the spectrum classic: 700K of samples!
>         CHAOS works only on 1MB+ machines!

For which resolutions?


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Dept. of Philosophy   |                   |   heaven, but what the hell are
University of Utrecht |                   |   you supposed to do when they
The Netherlands       |                   |   come true...?
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Press Coverage of Falcon?
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:10:21 GMT
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) says:

>
>  :-) :-) Face it guys - nobody's interested in the Falcon and it will be 
>a huge flop (just like all other Atari machines) and Atari will go
>bankrupt in no time when Commodore introduce their new AGA Low-end
>machines (same Gfx as A4000) by christmas.


I find that the most successful products in history were completely missed
by the press.

We shall see if this tradition continues...

As for Commodore, don't hold your breath...

Developers have had Falcons since May and there should be a number of software
titles available by December.

Very few Amiga developers (if any) have had the new "AA chip" machines.

There is no reason to feel loyalty towards Commodore.  I've heard that
Management-Developer problems have been occuring.


Len
>
>  Bye, bye Atari...
>--
>Stefan Boberg - AP & EE student at Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden
> Author of LhA, ArjA and LhArcA. Co-author of Alien Breed, Project X ...
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From: reeuwijk@dutentb.et.tudelft.nl (C. van Reeuwijk)
Subject: Re: CLALMUS 2 PS ?
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:27:40 GMT

In <4318@wet.UUCP> ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:

>In article <TQB7U8S@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> tries@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Volker Tries) writes:
>>
>>How can one convert CALAMUS documents or CALAMUS Vector Graphics
>>to Postscript?
>>Is the format of the above mentioned files known?

>Apparently, the long-awaited Dataformer module for Calamus SL is supposed to
>do this.  I'm not aware of any other solution.  Anyone else?


>-- 
>   |||    Ed Krimen
>   |||    ekrimen@wet.com
>  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)

The problem is that the Dataformer will be quite expensive.

The CVD and CVG file format have not been made public. However, I have asked
Bob Elbracht (sp?) of DMC (Holland) about the file format of these programs,
and he told me that in principle they are prepared to provide a description of
the file format, provided that I sign a non-disclosure contract for it. Both
the disclosure and the non-disclosure contract are to prevent 'mutant' versions
of the file format through reverse-engineering or incorrect interpretation
of the file description.

However, at the moment DMC is updating the documentation about the file
format, so if you really want to know, wait until november.

If they will be as nice to you as they were to me if you tell them you want to
generate Postscript is another matter. They have been quite childish about
Postscript and Postscript fonts.

=-=-=-=
C. van Reeuwijk			e-mail: C.vReeuwijk@ET.TUDelft.NL
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From: mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: MiNT ** Can an application communicate with TOSWIN? **
Summary: Can an application talk to TOSWIN?
Keywords: MiNT, TOSWIN, desktop-replacement, communication
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 18:18:31 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I have been thinking about writing a desktop replacement that takes advantage
of MiNT.  In order to do this, though, I would like to be able to tell TOSWIN
to run a TOS/TTP program in the background (in a window).

Is there a way to do this?  I know that I can start a process running in the
background using the BG/LIMIT/NICE programs included in the MiNT utility
package, but that method will not place the program being run in a Window like
TOSWIN does.

The best possible situation would be if an application could tell TOSWIN to
execute a program in a window, assign a priority to the program, and limit the
ammount of memory it could use.

Is there a way to do anything remotely like this, short of writing my own
program to handle the windows and control the output of each process?

Any help would be appreciated.

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<<        mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca          >>
<<  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  >>
<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<   The Key:  Spirit over mind over matter.    >>
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