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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:49:35 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec31.023756.29865@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
<In article <1317.580.uupcb@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us> john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin)  writes:
<>References: <Bzq5Br.BFB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
<>
<>eschlene@indiana.edu (Eric Schlene) writes:
<>ES>If one goes by the AP style book, numbers ten and under are represented
<>ES>by words. Therfore, DSN is proper form. But then again, styles change. .
<>
<>Just an FYI that Paramount themselves calls it "DS9", and they have hats
<>for staff imprinted this way.
<
<Rick Berman made up some "DS9" hats for a few (lucky) people,
<BUT Paramount has been *very* explicit in referring to the show
<as Deep Space Nine (DSN) in all the official show materials.
<
<Based on a line in the pilot, it seems like an earlier idea
<I had may just be correct...  The SHOW is "DSN", but the
<*station* is "DS9".  Strange, but that's what it looks like.
<
<Perhaps with Babylon 5 out soon, calling the show "Deep Space 9"
<would be just a little too close for comfort...

More fuel for the fire.  The TV Guide article uses DS9 for the abbreviation
and, catch this, the script for "Emissary" uses DS9 for the abbreviation and
Deep Space Nine when fully used.
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From: 93jll@williams.edu (Jennifer Lehoczky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Date: 23 Dec 1992 23:22:02 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
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Keywords: TNG, Cardassians, Picard, torture

In article <1h8f9dINNolb@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:


(much, much good stuff deleted)


>--Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know what 
>Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone over it 
>several times, but damned if I can make it out...

This may be entirely wrong (I haven't got the tape on hand), but
Picard does mumble at one point, and it had me puzzled until I worked
it out. He isn't mumbling.

"Sur le pont d'Avignon
l'on y danse
l'on y danse."

Is that the part you are referring to?


Toby Elliott
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From: dhg2@po.CWRU.Edu (David H. Gorski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command Pt.1 Thoughts: SPOILERS
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:25:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dhg2@po.CWRU.Edu (David H. Gorski)
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In a previous article, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu () says:


>   But the last point:  In the last two (three) years, Picard has been
>mindraped by the Borg, and now (will be) physically tortured by the Cardassians
>AND they will drop him off on DS9 so Sisko will remind Picard that his
>knowldege wiped out half the fleet, including Sisko's wife and his old friend,
>the Admiral in BoBW.
>   How much do you want to bet that Picard will start thinking more and more
>about retiring from active Starfleet duties?
>   Has Stewart's contract been renewed yet?

No, it hasn't, and Patrick Stewart has been dropping hints in interviews that
he'd really like to go back to stage productions.  I don't think he'll be
around next year.
-- 
David Gorski, M. D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Uniforms in Chain of Command
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:11:21 GMT

ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:

>>>	In Chain of Command part II, how come Dianna Troi is wearing
>>> a blue medical uniform?   Is it because of the new captain, or because
>>> counselling and phsycology is medical?

>> 1) Blue means science, not specifically medical.
>> 2) Jellico gave her a specific order in Part I to wear a standard uniform.

>True...But I'd be willing to wager it no longer applied to the Physical
>Sciences as it did back in ST:TOS.

I agree. Now, I know it ain't cannon, but the Playmates toy figure of Data
says that he is the Science Officer. And he wears gold. 

Does anyone know (from a cannon source) if Data is indeed Science Officer?

			CtB
From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Where's the enlisted personnel, response.
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:18:52 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Dec23.164318.5017@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com>, jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.162648.42715@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ckt0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES KEITH TESSLER) writes:
> |> It seems to me that Starfeet has a lot of Officers and no enlisted personel.
> |> I can rember only two one is Chief O'brian (Chiefs are to the navy what
> |> sargent's are to the army) a other was a one show charter named chewmen tarces
> |> in the epsoed about a possable conspery on the enterprize. If a Lutent  (Warf)
> |> is incaharg of securty that meas that all other security personal are suposed to
> |> be Ensions or enlisted persionel. That dosn't leave mutch of a chain of
> |> command?
> |>  
> |> -- 
> |> 
> |>                                   Keith Tessler
> |>                                   Id: CKT0@LEHIGH.EDU
> |>                                   Tel # (215) 758-1364
> 
> 
> 
>          You're at LEHIGH?   What position do you play?
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>    - JWJ      "How long has this bird been dead?"
>                   - Worf's brother, "Sins of the Fathers"
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
     The producers didn't wan't to confuse the audience by having
a million ranks, but I still see your point.   The ranks that they
chose on TNG are the most basic ranks imaginable, again, so not to 
confuse their younger audiences.   Between lieutenant and ensign
they're are other ranks, ex: lieutenant junior-grade.

						LLAP

			P.S.
		Nice spelling.   get spell check, FAST!-- 

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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 33 Re: Picard on ET
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 10:38:58 PST

>------------------------ Original Article -------------------------
>n article <1ge1tmINNl41@bigboote.WPI.EDU> firenza@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark
>
>  Just caught the tail end of an interview with Patrick Stewart on Entertainmnt
>>onight.  They showed some scenes of Picard being tortured by the Cardassians
>>n "Chains of Command", or whatever the title is.  Don't know which part
>>hough.

>rom what Michael Piller said on QVC, it sounds like the torture occurs in
>he second part.
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And for all you folks that think that ST:TNG should deal with issues, bear in
mind that most of the ideas for torture in CoC II come from the files of
Amnesty International.  Stewart said in that interview that he was glad that
he could return home every day , have his meal, and then sleep in a warm
bed.  He said that he really felt for those who really had to undergo what
he was only play-acting.

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:59:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec26.200351.520@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:



>Direction(both Cinematography and acting coaching): Poor.  By my standards
>	anyway, and those standards include virtually every episode of 	
>	"The Prisoner," and several episodes of "Blake's 7" when it comes
>	to any story that deals specifically with torture, whether it be
>	psychological or physical or both.  Close-ups weren't tight enough,
>	there was no hand-held camera work at all, lighting was static,
>	nothing was off-center, in fact nothing at all to suggest the work
>	of a master of psychological manipulation, nothing to suggest
>	brainwashing tactics of any sort, or at least nothing that I could
>	see.  

Maybe if you read some actual accounts of torture, or military survival
manuals, instead of relying on "Blake's 7" and "The Prisoner," you'd
think differently.

Sleep deprivation, attempts to befriend the prisoner, random acts of 
kindness and cruelty, holding out hope which is then snatched away:
these are all classic brainwashing and interrogation techniques.  
Notice any of those in Chain of Command?

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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Why do the humans always negotiate alien-style?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:13:21 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to afarrell@unix1.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell):
>In <2981@perl-sun.dwrsun4.UUCP> perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes:
>>Why are the aliens always so predictable and it's always the Feds who
>>display "flexible thinking"?
>
>Because we are the right-thinking cultured people, and they are the ignorant
>savages. 

Oh, I don't know.  Picard's torturer seemed a pretty flexible thinker.
And it was Picard who was most predictable: he fought, but he lost.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data makes a great first officer for Jellico ;)
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:37:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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A lot of people have noted how well Data seemed to get along
with Jellico.  However, can you imagine what would have happened
if Jellico had been in command during "Quality of Life"?  The way
I read it, Data would have done exactly the same thing-- risking
Jellico's life in order to save the exocomps-- and then Jellico
would have tried to have the exocomps AND Data broken down to
serve as spares in some Starfleet parts depot.

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Startrek VII - DIRTakei's comments
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.212510.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec92076@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>> and I think VII could be fun (!) with swashbucklin' Sulu at the helm.  Any  
>> way you slice it though, the next movie really has to advance the story  
>> historically as opposed to just another romp for aging Kirk/Spock/Bones.   
>> Anyone who watched a lot of M.A.S.H. will remember that the series' downfall  
>> was that they focused too much on several characters and got way too serious  
>> in later seasons.
>
>I'm glad to see you say this.  Think about the fact that with out
>Kirk/Spock/Bones Paramount will save $14 millonright off the bat.  That can go
>into a better story.  Shatner has submited a script, but Paramount turned it
>down (much chering)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try again, Don.  Shatner and Nimoy only make $2.5 mil a film, and Kelley gets
a reported $500K.  That's a savings of $3 Million.  Is it worth it to save
three million?  Consider that if the Big Three aren't in the film, box-office
sales will dro considerably, and the film will lose considerably more than
$3 million in net.  Hence, it's an unlikely prospect that there'll be 
an Excelsior film.

Of course, this doesn't alter the persistent rumours of a TV miniseries...

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Professional Evil Person
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: kellyfj@unix1.tcd.ie (Q)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: COC summary wanted!
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:16:35 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


Could someone mail me a summary of Chains Of Command, both parts. Be as
long as you like, spoliers on full etc. I want to know as much as
possible about the episode coz it'll take a couple of years to see it on
this side of the Atlantic.

Thanks in advance!

--Frank
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From: kak1@birch02.cray.com (Kevin Kramer)
Subject: Re: David Warner on "Chain of Command"
Originator: kak1@birch02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:30:28 CST


I am nit sure, but is this the same guy that was on Tron?  (playing the meanie)
I thought that I could recognise him, and the voice sounded the same, but I 
just couldn't quite tell.

Kevin
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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Bridge Watches (possible minor spoilers)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:53:00 GMT


All this talk about 3 or 4 watches? Some are arguing about time constraints.

But who saya the Enterprise is on a 24 hour day? They do run a day night cycle,
which I suspect is constant? But, 24 hours may or may not lead to the most
effieciency. The best cycle might be the average day length for planets in the
galaxy.

Maybe the system might adjust to avoid jetlag -- starlag?- The day could slowly
synchronize with the day of the planet of destination.

A really short day, less than 20 hours causes bad star lag... haven't you heard
of starlag 17?


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email: Blackwood.1@osu.edu

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 review & synopsis (SPOILERS)
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:13:26 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <VTiNwB1w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP (Rick Harrison) writes:
>Here's how I'd grade the show:

It would be appreciated if you would also protect your OPINIONS of the show
with ^Ls, not just the information about the show.  Many of us consider those
to be spoilers, too.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
		- "Escape From The Holdfast", by Jim Hart; Captain's Log #8
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: ST: DSN The Emissary **SPOILERS**
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:52:28 GMT

From article <wallich.725776831@lupine>, by wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich):
> Lots of cool ships, a great Borg flashback scene with much blasting
> and explosions.  More of that cool Cardassian 'Swamp Thing' make up,

	I thought that was worth the entire 2 hours!  God that part
was incredible....

> The acting was good, the story wasn't bad, certainly better than the
> last 2 ST:TOS movies.  I don't know if it can continue, but I'll give
> it a shot.  The commander is a good actor.  He's no Patrick Stewart, I
> new Patrick Stewart.  Patrick Stewart was a friend of mine.  This
> guy's no Patrick Stewart.  He's a single parent, which will make
> Quayle upset, but perhaps we can get him and Murphy Brown together.

	Anyone else feel that Picard was being quite the jerk this time
around?  None of that "well lets negotiate it" crap - he really let
Sito have it, although since he was dealing with a Starfleet officer and
not an another race/society, it probably made the difference.

	As far as the story, I thought everything but Sito's communication
with the aliens in the wormhole was great.  That part, for me, really 
dragged on more than it had to and was too "preachy".

> Well, that's about it.  This is certainly better than "Encounter at
> Farpoint".  I'm hoping these folks can take where they've gotten

	Definetly.  I would say that anyone who likes TNG will like DS9.


 TTYL
 Chris
From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Uniforms in Chain of Command
Date: 26 Dec 92 20:51:10 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

	In Chain of Command part II, how come Dianna Troi is wearing
a blue medical uniform?   Is it because of the new captain, or because
counselling and phsycology is medical?
-- 

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From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Bev Woolf - Sysop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:21:51 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-woolf] The Woolf's Den BBS

In <1992Dec22.160432.25786@tin.monsanto.com>
lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:

>In article <1992Dec21.161910.16223@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Spoilers Ho...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From Chain of Command, in refence to the new Captain
>> 
>> Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
>> Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice
>> 
>> *This* to me is how she should be used.  She can see right past people's
>> facads and tell how they really feel, how they probably will act and why.
>> She was also useful in negotiations, being someone the others will trust
>> more easily than the Captain.  - Chuck
>
>Uh, well, this line is completely useless and insignificant to the plot,
>as it turns out in part II!
> 
>Jelico turns out to be competent and successful. Another astute observation
>on the part of our Betabimbo!
>
>


Just because a person is competent and successful does not necessarily mean
that he is sure of what he is doing.

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From: michael@mosaic.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:59:21 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <rawdon.725564983@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>I would classify the colors as follows:
>
>Red	Command & Navigation
>	(Picard, Riker, Wesley Crusher, Ro)
>Blue	Bio and Social Sciences
>	(Troi, Dr. Crusher, medical personnel)
>Gold	Hard Sciences, Engineering & Support Services (including Security)
>	(Data, LaForge, Worf, O'Brien)

I'm not sure I agree with gold being hard sciences.  True, Data does wear
gold, but have we ever officially heard him called science officer?  The
counterexample I'm thinking of (the only one I can recall at the moment,
unfortunately) is Bruce Maddox, the cyberneticist.  I would classify
cybernetics under the non-biological hard sciences (although I recognize
that there's probably some overlap; probably more by the time of trek).
I've been trying to think of other physicists and the like in TNG, but
the only others that come to mind are civilians.  Anybody have any
examples either way?

michael@cs.umass.edu

P.S.  I'm going off on vacation, and am not likely to see any followups, so
      if you want me to see one, e-mail me.
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:48:28 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

>>However, she is an OFFICER and has been refered to in many instances as such
>>(see Disaster for proof).  Therefore, she is as military as the next OFFICER 
>>and should have to wear a uniform.  If she is a civilian then she should NOT
>>have free access to the bridge.  Other civilians don't.  She should be in 
>>uniform while she is on duty.  

Here in the 24th century, we have done away with such things as greed,
poverty, racism, money, and military protocol.

ITS JUST A TV SHOW!
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Subject: Old Star Trek Question
From: bfa1225@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:00:34 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University



  I just have one question (please, no flames if this isn't the right
newsgroup!)- in what years (Federation time) did Kirk & Co. explore space? 
Thanks.
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From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Request for Tim Lynch's review.
Reply-To: hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:15:14 GMT

Could someone please send me Tim Lynch's review for two shows:
"Chain of Command Part II", and the one where Data decides that
those little machines are actually life.  Our site has been missing
some files.

Sorry, I don't have ftp access.

Thanks.  Much appreciated.

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hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Jim Hulsey)   TBDBITL '84 ('85 Rose Bowl)
An Ohioan living in Misery (Missouri, same difference)
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command, Part I (comment)
Keywords: TNG
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:08:05 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec20.044629.9170@blkbox> egan@blkbox (Doug Egan) writes:
<
<	I'll lay odds that the new captain of the Enterprise is a
<     Cortasian (sp) spy!!!

You lose...how much do I win?
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