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From: cheyne@hawk.nstn.ns.ca (Andrew Cheyne)
Subject: law-oriented internet resources.
Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:01:14 GMT

Hello!

    I am looking for any information available through the Internet having
to do with any law-related subjects. Any information would be helpful.
I have also heard of something called DIAL-A-LAW (?) Does anyone know
anything about this? Please email your responses to:

cheyne@hawk.nstn.ns.ca

Thanks,
Andrew Cheyne
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:51:00 EDT
From:         "Thomas Lee Hazen, UNC Law" <THAZEN@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Market for law school teaching positions?

Budget problems at both state and private schools have resulted
in a very tight market for law teachers.  In a good year a law
school might hire one to three new faculty members.  In today's
climate many schools are not in a position to hire.  Based on
my experience with faculty appointments over the last few years,
there are close to 1,000 applicants for teaching positions
each year.  My guess is that about 100 of those (at most) get
tenure track teaching positions.

Even in good hiring years, most law schools focus primarily on
law school performance, followed by a strong practice background.
Although it is possible to obtain a teaching position based
primarily on post-law school job history, that is the exception
rather than the rule.  In recent years many law schools seeking to
increase diversity on their faculty may consider applicants who do
not have the traditional resume or career path.

In sum, law teaching is a highly competitive market.  Recent layoffs
and cutbacks at large law firms has increased the number of well-
credentialled applicants seeking teaching jobs.

Tom Hazen
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:43:01 EDT
From:         Fred Zimmerman <fzimmerm@ERIM.ORG>
Subject: Re: law-oriented internet resources.
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See Usenet newsgroups misc.legal, misc.legal.computing; WAIS server
at Columbia U. that has NALP directory; and Columbia Law Library catalog
available via Gopher.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:59:45 MST
From:         ICDLJ@ASUACAD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Help Me!, Choose a Paper Topic on Technology & Civil Rights
              27 Aug 1992 13:49:26 -0400 from <rwallis@NYPLGATE.NYPL.ORG>

------------ Original Message -------------
Chris K. writes:
hello, i am taking a writing seminar focusing on Political & Civil
Rights.  I will have to come up with a paper topic soon and would
appreciate some assistance.  While the paper is on Civil Rights, I would
like to have a technology bent to it.  Therefore, if anyone can send me
any suggestions for topics ...

i was thinking about writing on either:
new electronic surveillance and the fourth amendment
the electronic monitoring of paroled felons
or, someother "big brother" is intruding on our civil rights ...
--------- End of Original Message ---------
R. Wallis suggsts:
How's about writing on the democratizing aspects of telecommunications: how it
increases contact and coordination between groups concerned with different
kinds of social and justice issues, such as the environment, peace, civil
rights, etc., etc.

If you do it, I'd love to see the result...  8:)

===========================================================================

 DLJ adds:  How about contrasting the diverse views presented on the subjects
            when telecommunication is used vers. television, radio or printed
            media.

            I would         add a comment re: the survival aspect of free
            idea exchanges vers. censured.

            Economic, social, legal, political aspects could be highlighted.

<icdlj@asuacad.bitnet>                  Dave Janecek -Electronic Field Service
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:56:16 PST
From:         JOHN@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Law schools for Intelect. Property / Patent?

    I would really second that last idea.  I have seen many
    engineers enter law school and three years later discover
    they may have been better off as engineers both
    financially and emotionally.


                                   John DeGolyer
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:17:40 EDT
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From:         Georgette Brown <BROWNG@GUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Law schools for Intelect. Property / Patent?

Georgetown University
Information Center
With the tremendous growth of Information Technology and Software, I would
think that there would be considerable positions available in that area by the
time you finish law school. Maybe you could check with the Software Publishers
Association. I went to a seminar on software piracy a few months ago, and it
seems to me that a lawyer with your added expertise could find a good home
with them. The SPA makes a business of suing companies/individuals who
illegally distributes software; I'm sure theyare involved in many other areas
of this industr y as well.

Georgette
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From: chapin@ssvax.gte.com (Barry Chapin)
Subject: Law schools for Intelect. Property / Patent?
Organization: GTE/SCSD
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:13:19 GMT

Hello all Law Students, Law Professors, Lawyers,

I have some questions that some of you may be able to answer.  I have
been a Software Engineer for over 3 years now with a large corporation.
I want to attend law school next year (Fall 93) and go into the area of
Intelectual Property / Copyright / Patent law.  Hopefully I could use
the 4 years of Software Engineering that I will have obtained, along
with a law degree.  Is there a job market for someone with this
background (Software / Law)?

I have only heard of special programs within these areas of law at
Franklin Pierce Law School, George Washington, and George Mason.  Does
anyone have any comments on these or other releated programs?  Good/Bad?
What about job placement after graduation?

Does anyone know of specialized J.D. degree programs offered at any
other schools anywhere in the U.S. within these areas (Int. Prop.,
Patent, etc)?  

I am about 1/2 way through a part-time MS Degree program in Software
Engineering at Boston University.  It would take 2.5 more years to
finish the MS. How much weight would completing this degree hold in
finding a job after law school, and would the knowledge be used?  Or
would the degree 'just look good on the wall'?  Would what courses I
have completed so far help out at all?

Another question: 
With the direction of law that I wish to pursue being somewhat focused,
would it be better to attend a school less 'well-known' (eg:Franklin
Pierce), or a bigger name school (eg:Boston College.) which has much
less focus (courses) in the area in which I am interested in, but is
considered a 'better' law school?  Would my work experience outweigh the
school prestige factor in job placement?  Is more applicable courses
better than less courses but a big name school?

Lastly; Are there corporate law departments, law firms, or agencies
(U.S. Patent Office) that have programs like stipends, where they pay
your tuition and a small salary while you go to school, and you agree to
work (clerk) for them summers and/or part-time during school?  After
graduation?  Are these groups listed somewhere (Career placement
offices?).  This posting is the first stab at researching this topic.

Thanks in advance for comments, suggestions, whatever....
Email responses to:
CHAPIN%SCSD@GTE.COM

-BWC.

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From: WHITESR@APPSTATE.EDU (Steve White)
Subject: Market for law school teaching positions?
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:12:13 GMT
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1. Can someone give me a feel for the job market teaching in
   law schools?

   I was a prosecutor for 10 years in Florida, and, in that capacity,
   did a lot of teaching for other prosecutors and for the police.
   For 5 years I have been teaching criminal-justice majors, primarily
   through law school case books.

   Consequently, I suppose that I may be looking for a position
   teaching criminal law, criminal procedure, internship/orientation,
   and related areas. I also have some background in the social
   sciences, and, of course, some computer literacy.
   
   Is there much of a market for someone with my background?
   
   Generally, what is the ratio of applicants to law schools hiring?
   Is it better or worse than normal for applicants? Any forecast?

2. I apologize if this is not the proper forum for these questions.
   This concern prompts the next question: Are there groups on the net 
   devoted to law school teaching positions?


Thx,
Steve
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:14:13 EDT
From:         V1754G@TEMPLEVM.BITNET
Subject:      Summer Assoc. Program Info Wanted

I am curious to hear about people's experiences with summer assoc.
positions in firms.  should i get multiple offers, i would like to know
how to differentiate, and get "the most" out of the law.

my friend at NY's _Milbank, Tweed, etc._  raved about her summer
tenure.  tehy had lots of weekly litigation workshops, outings,
and even a fishing trip

i am more interested in legal programs than fun and games.
i do realize that "times are tough" and cost containment prohibits
many elaborate programs ... but we can dream ....

-chris k.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:25:06 EDT
From:         V1754G@TEMPLEVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Question about a loan and the law
              1 Sep 1992 01:01:32 GMT from <pac@RUCS.FACULTY.CS.RUNET.EDU>

if they made a clerical error, and suddenly you owed the bank $100,000
that wouldn't be fair, would it?
so why should a clerical error in your favor be equitable?

you may have a valid claim, but IMHO, i don't think so

call your state capital and ask the commissioner of commerce or
banking or attorney general what the law of your state is.
keep accurate records of all your calls, transactions, etc

-you wouldn't want the bank to sue you wouldn't you?
-chris k.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:52:53 EDT
From:         V1754G@TEMPLEVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Summer Assoc. Program Info Wanted

C53007EL's arguments are persuasive but i would like to make
one observation:

the small firms (which are purportedly good for experience) don't
hire as much in these tight times ...

so big firms are doing proportionately more of the hiring ...

or- there's the mid size firm which is the "best of both worlds" (?)

ps - good luck to everyone looking
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:03:00 CST
From:         UAHWBW01@UAHVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Help Me!, Choose a Paper Topic on Technology & Civil Rights

        You might take a look at "groupware" software programs which are
capable of giving reports on how many keystrokes, etc., each member of
the group completes, accuracy of typing
and the like.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:06:31 CST
From:         Eddie Lorenzo <C53007EL@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Summer Assoc. Program Info Wanted

In response to the question(s) about summer associate programs...

I just completed a summer clerkship at a small labor law firm in Saint Louis,
Missouri and I am currently a second year student. As you said, times are tough
and it's hard to decide what to do. If you're a first year, take what you can
get. I sent my resume to countless number of law firms, had three interviews,
and received one offer from the small firm. If you can get into a smaller firm,
go for it. You won't get the free baseball tickets or free meals, and you
probably won't get $1000/week, but you'll get a lot more responsibility and get
a more realistic feel for the law. You won't get pampered. Since small firms
usually hire during the school year, if you can show that you can do the work,
they might ask you to come back and work part time during school. That's what
happened to me.

As an example of responsibility, I was asked to research, rank order, and
select an arbitrator from a pool of seven for a labor grievance which was
coming up. This was on my first day of work. I was able to meet and confer with
clients in addition to writing basic memoranda and drafting motions. You won't
get as much from a large firm. On the downside of small firms, you have to wait
until about March, April, or May to get an offer. This makes decisions tough.

The waiting game doesn't help second years at all since the big firms make
their offers in the fall. This happens to be my dilemma, i.e. what should I do
if I would like the *option* of choosing a big firm over a small firm given the
different recruiting seasons.

Well, I've opted to submit my resumes to the big firms and worry about my
dilemma *if* I get an offer. It would be nice for a change to get some money
and scam some money off the big firms (use them), even though I really want to
work for a small firm when I get out. The problem is that if I do work for a
big firm this summer, I'll probably be going up against the attorneys and
clients I work for now. I'll get the free meals, but it won't do my conscious
any good and I won't get a realistic legal experience.

Basically, it boils down to your values and wants for this summer. If you
really want a real legal experience, consider working for the smaller firms and
wait until spring. If you want to be scammed by the big firms into thinking
that all their attorneys live the good life (even for just one summer), then
take the offers in the fall. Like I said, I personnally haven't decided because
I wouldn't mind getting paid well for one summer by a firm I have no interest
in, but on the other hand I would also like to represent the kinds of people
who I would want to represent when I get out by working at a smaller firm.
Therefore, I am simply going to worry about it when the time comes.

REAL Experience = Smaller Firms (or legal services)
$$$ to Pay Rent = Big Firms

Lawyerman
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From: pac@rucs.faculty.cs.runet.edu (Michael Packer)
Subject: Question about a loan and the law
Organization: Radford University
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:01:32 GMT



	I had two loans with a bank such as loan 101-1 and 101-2.  One of these 
loans was a car loan and I owed about $14,000 on it while the other
was a personal loan and had about $300 on it last month. 

	On the 17th of the month(Aug) i paid the bank my monthly payments,
which paid off the personal loan.  Today I received a letter from the 
bank stating there thanks for me banking with them and included was
my p-note for the car loan and my title to the car (which was signed and
marked paid in full!  both were also sign by the notary public)...

	Legally (i'm not a lawyer and was hoping to find more information
on this) can I hold them to saying that I paid off the loan?  they did sign
it saying I paid it in full, they also had it notarized...

	I haven't called the bank, but was considering calling them and 
asking them for the payoffs on my loans (not stating which loan it was)...

	any ideas?

pac

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From: habs@acf3.nyu.edu (Harry A. B. Shapiro)
Subject: ExI Essay List Forming
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:36:44 GMT

The ExI Essay list will be going live on or about Sep 1.

1) I have about 40 charter subscribers, if you have not joined
send your requests to exi@panix.com

2) Send in your essays to exi@panix.com
to enter our contest for the "first" message posted.

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From:         John Halleck <NAHAJ@UTAHCCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: POP server for VMS

> I've heard a lot about POP mail.  Is there a server (SMTP/POP) for VMS?
>  Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com

The current version of TGV's Multinet has a pop server (and SMTP also).
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From:         Rich Haller <RHALLER@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Eudora for PC

>Hello,
>
>  Does anyone know if Eudora has been 'ported' to the PC/MSDOS environment?
>I saw that there is a EUDPC-L list at Brown but I have not been able to
>get into the list yet (it is closed and I am pending subscription).  Does
>anyone have other POP3 clients that they would recommend?

The author of Eudora, Steve Dorner, is working on a PC version. His new
e-mail address is sdorner@qualcomm.com
-Rich Haller  <rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu>
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From:         Jim Ennis <JIM@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Eudora for PC

Hello,

  Does anyone know if Eudora has been 'ported' to the PC/MSDOS environment?
I saw that there is a EUDPC-L list at Brown but I have not been able to
get into the list yet (it is closed and I am pending subscription).  Does
anyone have other POP3 clients that they would recommend?

Thanks in advance,
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From: pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister)
Subject: E-mailing to [JANET]
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:45:36 GMT


I'm sorry if this is not the right forum for this query but I got an
e-mail address of a friend in the UK and she is accessable through
[JANET].  I have been told that this is the UK Internet.  Does anybody
know how I would send an e-mail message to someone from regular
Internet access here in the US.  Please e-mail any responses.

Dave Lister
lister@virginia.edu
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 let's be fair, is a complete and total gimp."
From: sob@TMC.EDU (Stan Barber)
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Subject: Re: E-mail and calendaring recommendations
Date: 29 Aug 1992 22:28:34 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <CW-EMAIL%92082112354422@TECMTYVM.MTY.ITESM.MX> IADHRH@ASUACAD.BITNET (Hank Harken) writes:
> CE Software's Quickmail runs on various platforms, and there are gateways
> included or from 3d parties that link it to other mail systems.
If the SMTP gateway for QuickMail (or any other package) does not do MIME,
it is basically useless in a multiplatform environment where internet
protocols are the standard on the "backbone" for the campus.

Does anyone know if any of the PCmail or MacMail packages with SMTP gateways  
support MIME?


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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:04:27 SST
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From:         "L. Chandra" <CCECL@NUSVM.NUS.SG>
Subject:      Re: MIME (was RE: E-mail and calendaring recommendations)
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X-cc:         ccecl@nuscc.nus.sg

>I don't know of any MIME compliant SMTP gateways for MsMail or Quickmail
>environment.  I do take extreme exception to the concept that MIME is a
>requirement at present. Straight SMTP gateways generally handle enclosures and
>straight text messages.  We find this limitation acceptable at present.
>Of course the first rule of computing is "More is always better, Even when
>it's not."  :-)

However, I believe there is a REAL NEED for users to be able to send binary
attachment through Internet and also between various mail packages (MSMail,
Cc:Mail, whatever).  I find it hard to explain to users that they must do
uuencode/uudecode, binhex and all those complicated stuff just to send a
WordPerfect document.  Not to mention that uuencoded text always get trashed
during EBCDIC<->ASCII translation.  I think MINE fit in nicely here.

-Chandra, National University of Singapore
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