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From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: TxEd Plus Info
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:12:22 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <1993Jan21.091209.1@woods.ulowell.edu> edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Does anyone know if the producers of the program TxEd Plus, i.e. Charlie
>Heath of Microsmiths, Inc of Cambridge MA, are still writing software for 
>the Amiga.  I just purchased a TxEd Plus and think it is a truly quality
>piece of work and would like to see what, if anything, Mr Heath and Co. may
>have available at the present time.

TxEd Plus is a very old program. Did you buy the program on the consignment
shelf?? Charlie Heath also wrote AREXX which is included with v2.0 and above.

>BTW, is the ARP library and its associated commands compatible with wb2.04 and
>up.  I am thus far impressed with the entire package but don't want to install
>everything on my A2000 with 2.04 if it may cause problems.  BTW, ARP works
>beautifully on my trusty A1000 with wb 1.3, but no surprise here.

Generally speaking you will want to abandon the replacement C: commands, the
ARP Shell and as much of the ARP.library as you can. Put the arp.library from
ARP 1.3 in your libs drawer (arp.library 39.1) because a few older programs
call it. BUT do not install anything else about the arp system. 

  P.S. ARP 1.3 is freely distributable. (and is either shareware or freeware)
      the arp.library file is freeware.
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:51:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.235049.2197@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>
>A degree does not make one "know" a field.  If just means you had the
>patience to sit in class rooms and listen to the teachers tell you
>what the field is.

Maybe that's all it takes where you are, but I had to pass exams, do practical
work/projects and complete a thesis.  Much of the knowledge we needed to pass
came from research in libraries - particularly for the honours project and
thesis.  I don't believe that it would have been possible for anyone to be
granted an Engineering degree without gaining a working knowledge of their
field, at least where *I* went to school (University of Queensland).

> I know many people who do not have degrees in a
>certain area of study that know MUCH MUCH more that others that do.

True.  That doesn't invalidate having a degree, though.  What a degree does
is to guarantee some minimum level of knowledge, and, more importantly in
some ways, says that you have the ability to learn.  That doesn't imply that
not having a degree means you know nothing and can't learn for yourself, but
I think you're being far to dismissive with your first sentence, above.


>Jim Martin


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:39:16 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Matthew Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: : :
: : : Read it again, Robert -- the whole thing, not just the part you underlined.
: : : What I'm pointing out as a Windows advantage is the functionality it has for
: : : supporting great applications -- functionality such as device independence
: : : and OLE, not the great applications themselves.  If you just let the brain
: : : catch up with the "F" finger, perhaps we could have avoided this.
: :
: : Squirm, Squirm, Wiggle, Wiggle  *WHAP*... No more Jerry...
: :
: Running out of things to say, Matthew?
Call me Matthew again, and you won't be able to say anything anymore...

Nope, just trying to inject some humor from a one-day thread that appeared 
here a day or so ago...

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: City University, London
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:12:46 GMT

das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>So, for example, you can do 'rename Civilization ..' to move it back
>one subdirectory level?

It is in these situations that the beauty of the Amiga way of doing
things (tm) becomes clear. Just use the mouse to drag the directory
you want to the place you want. So simple.

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:11:23 GMT
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David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan25.064208.3478@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
: >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:

: >: 	And if I remeber correctly the average temperature on Earth has
: >: risen in the past year by at least .5 degrees F or 1 degree Celsius.
: >
: >You're kidding... I thought it was getting cooler...

: 	Sorry, I meant the past 100 years...

I was being serious... I thought I had noticed a trend of cooler summers over
the past 2-3 years... But then that could just be from Mt. Pinatubo...
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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP 
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:07:08 GMT

Jan Roger Wilkens (jawil@hpx14.aid.no) wrote:

> Why can't Commodore do the same?? Why do we have to pay for becoming beta
> testers? Why is everything so secret when Commodore are developping something?

I would ot like to see beta versions as being freely distributable -
they just give more problems than they solve. A friend of mine just
tried to install this OS/2 2.1 today - he tried everyhtinng he cound
and wasted several hours and finally got into point in where the OS
almost booted... almost because the system decided to lock up pretty
nicely. (and no, he is no beginner with computers, PC's or OS/2 2.x.)

-- 
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From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:58:43 GMT

In article (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>the February issue of Byte offers a review of the Falcon in the article  
>entitled "Falcon030 Leads the Pack" (p. 58).
It was at Comdex in November.  Nobody knew about it, since the only one I saw  
was at the Motorolla booth, and it was sitting right next to an A4000.  I don't  
think we have too much to worry about, gang.  It doesn't appear to me that I  
have ever *seen* anyone with an Atarii computer since 1989, and that guy sold  
it to help pay for a MIDI keyboard.
-Joe Solinsky
From: jorni@edb.tih.no (Joern G. Innset,o90a)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:03:36 GMT
Reply-To: jorni@edb.tih.no
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)

Commodore in Norway has more or less confermed the availability of
an Amiga 4000 with a 68EC030, 4MB ram and an 85 MB harddisk.

The price was the biggest shock of them all: NOK 14500,- incl. tax.

That translates to about $1900-$2000 with an exchange rate of 
approximately 6.5-7.

Release (in Norway): Febr. 15th.

This might not be too cheap in the US, but it sure caused quite a 
stir here in Norway!

And - Commodore more or less promised secure dates of delivery, something
that CBM Norway hasn't been able to do for some time now.

After February 15th, it'll take a max of 1 day to get the machine
(any machine) from CBM to the dealer.

Jorn I.
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advocate please...
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:34:32 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

bayko@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (John  Bayko) writes:


>    I've decided to upgrade from my current Tandy CoCo3 under OS/9,
>and one of the systems I'm considering is an Amiga (probably at least
>1200) - partly because I can't find many systems with a quality
>multitasking OS that are more obscure (okay, 2 million systems isn't
>that obscure...).

Welcome to the club! :)

>    I'm pretty famillier with overall Amiga stuff - it's at least
>well supported in Canada. I'd like to know a bit more about how it
>feels in actual use. How easy is a "hello world" program that uses

well.. what computer language are you familiar with?  You may need
a little bit of time to practice before being able to make a "hello world"
program all by yourself in C (in a window).  However, there are lots of
PD docs which teach you how to do so.

>a window? What are the four easiest ways of crashing the OS (be

Unplugging the CPU while the power is on.  Honest--though I never dare
try doing it.
<grin>

>honest)? Does it still stutter during disk access?
no.


>    Thanks...
you are welcome.

>John Bayko.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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From: dtaylor@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Douglas Taylor)
Subject: Re: WANTED: info on ftp addresses for Fred Fish disks
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 23:46:56 GMT

In article <1jv0efINN49f@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>:
>:	Well out of shear laziness I'll post.   The three I like to use are:
>:
>:	wuarchive.wustl.edu
>:	isca02.isca.uiowa.edu
>:	ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
>
>Uh, ux1 just changes their address (a little ) and the above one will no
>longer work.  The new address is:
>
>	ftp.cso.uiuc.edu
>
 I'm sorry to say, but I think *you* are mistaken; I just used my old alias to
	pop over to ux1, and it still works... even the site name is the same 
	(as opposed to ftp.apple.com, which connects you to bric-a-brac...)
>
>	Thanks
>	Robert Fentiman
>
>UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
>At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
>
>

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:02:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan22.022313.9007@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
  <1993Jan22.110215.6729@desire.wright.edu>
  <1993Jan24.080513.20104@microsoft.com>
  <1993Jan24.212128.6773@desire.wright.edu>

> Thing I never understood, why is it that I never seem to see a Greenpeace
>spokesman with a degree in the area he is talking about?

It would take all the fun out of it.  Take .advocacy for instance!

>they all seem to be non-technical people. Is this just an impression
>I'm getting?

You mean on .advocacy.  Yes. I agree.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:20:03 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <1993Jan21.224410.1853@ra.msstate.edu>,<1993Jan22.194911.11533@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1993Jan22.194911.11533@oracle.us.oracle.com>, dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.224410.1853@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>>(water) is almost limitless.  If I'm not mistaken, the only pollution was
>
>Well, okay, water, nevermind :)
>Priced bottled water lately, though?  A lot of bottled water is actually
>MORE EXPENSIVE than gasoline -- expecially if we eliminate the gasoline
>taxes....  Now where does that leave us?  Hmmm....
>

That's cause the US subsidizes gas and not water production.

>
>David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
>Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.

Jim
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:42:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>   For those who want the MMU and can't afford a 4000, Commodore has said that
'>a straight '030 based AGA machine is in the works for the near future.

	Why is it taking so long to get out the intermediate AGA Amigas?  The
  A4000 has a CPU expansion card does it not?  How hard can it be to make a 
  new expansion card with a different CPU?   It seems to me that Commodore is
  dragging its feet on this one.  There should already be a selection of CPU
  modules available.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

   
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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:53:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: world
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In article <Paula_Lieberman.07x6@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

> TT>   Motorola's future in microprocessors for high-end computer systems
> TT> is NOT with the 680x0.
>
>What is it in, that piece of vapor called a PowerPC chip, with vapor for
>operating systems and vapor for native applications, vapor for installed
>based, vapor for base of non-internal programmers, and vapor for backward
>compatible with existing applications?!

Yes, unless you think the A4000, some low-end Macs, and a few VME CPU
modules are going to be enough for Motorola for the forseeable future.
(Note that all of these above-mentioned markets are at least rumored
to be moving to RISC in the next few years).

Paul



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From: c92andst@odalix.ida.liu.se (Andreas Stenmark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:42:51 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>So, for example, you can do 'rename Civilization ..' to move it back
>one subdirectory level?

Yes.

	/Andreas
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:02:33 GMT
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Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance (joe@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
: >:
: >: [Andy built a BridgeBoard...]
: >:
: >Yes, it's an impressive effort, that no doubt MANY people worked on.
:
: Please, Jerry. Now you are assuming that you know our organization and
: culture. In fact, products are developed by very small teams here.
:

I'm assuming nothing, Joe, especially about your "culture".  Are you telling
me that Andy and a couple of others developed EVERY component of the
BridgeBoard?

:
:   Joe O'Hara                ||      Disclaimer: I didn't say that!
:
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From: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Announcing a new GUI
Date: 29 Jan 1993 01:42:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) says:

>: MALCOLM X WINDOWS!
>
>Don't you mean MALCOLM THE TENTH WINDOWS! ?
>

Hey, I'm still trying to figure out where I can join this Chi fraternity
that everyone seems to be in these days.... :)

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:28:42 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Robert Swan (roberts@g2syd.genasys.com.au) wrote:
: : >
: : >Robert, you must be confusing me with somebody else.  I never said that
: : >"application uniqueness" is any sort of advantage.  I did talk about
: : >support for modern applications, which is quite different from "application
: : >uniqueness", but it might be a little too subtle for you.
: :
: : Ahem.... permit me to quote from a little discussion you were having
: : with Gregory Block:
: :
: : !Once again, Greg, you fail to grasp the meaning of the words you read.
: : !I'm not using applications to justify the OS.  I'm saying that Windows
: : !has the functionality to support applications the likes of which you
: :                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: : !can't get anywhere else.  This functionality includes complete device
: :  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: : !independence and communications protocols such as OLE.
: :
: : If those aren't unique applications you're talking about, we must have
: : different definitions of unique.  You're trying to use these
: : applications to justify the OS.  Wriggle and squirm all you like, but
: : you did it.
: :
: Read it again, Robert -- the whole thing, not just the part you underlined.
: What I'm pointing out as a Windows advantage is the functionality it has for
: supporting great applications -- functionality such as device independence
: and OLE, not the great applications themselves.  If you just let the brain
: catch up with the "F" finger, perhaps we could have avoided this.

Squirm, Squirm, Wiggle, Wiggle  *WHAP*... No more Jerry...

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And I've seen Windows CRASH, too...  nothing is bulletproof, you just /\\\/// 
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This newsgroup is like a big cuddly never ending witch hunt.  The  / For the
only problem is that instead of spears and flaming piles of wood, / creative
we have soft cushy pillows. - Ian Kennedy (c.s.a.a)              / mind.