From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Group Racism (Re: Others did it, why can't you?)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:44:42 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1992Dec17.023428.10871@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <37877@cbmvax.commodore.com>, mitchell@cbmvax.commodore.com (Fred Mitchell - Product Assurance) writes:
>>>
>>>There is no credence to comparing the plight of North American blacks to
>>>the discrimination faced by white ethnic immigrants. Even comparing the
>>>situation to Non-white immigrants is faulty. No other U.S. ethnic group,
>>>except for Native Americans, has suffered the wholesale cultural atrocities
>>>that blacks have.
>> 
>> I beg to differ with you. The Jews have suffered such atrocities (and worse)
>> for millinea. Remember, it was 6 million _Jews_ that were sent to their
>> deaths, not 6 million blacks.
MEE!! I will not deny ocurrance of the said attempt to remove Jews, Gypsies etc from germany, but, over the perion of 400+ years since my first black brother was made to set foot on this island (USA),how many black people have died? When was the 6million mark passed.....letme see...
>
>
>I lived with two Jews,and  if they hadn't told me, I would never have known
>this.  Their names sounded WASP-ish (Barnett was one), they behaved like your
>typical college boy from the US, and they looked white.  They were integrated
>in the sense that that even if you were a Jew-hater you would not know by
>looking at them.
>
>Contrast this with the store detective following my black ass around the store,
>and the cashier telling me what's too expensive for me, the police stopping me
>and accusing me of stealing my friends car;  people telling me I'm different
>from the hordes of unwashed, worthless blacks (which the "oreos' among us buy
>into, but that's another subject, another time) like every white man on the
>road hives his ass off to Harvard, Yale, Oxford, etc.; and the numerous
>injustices I and others have to face simply because of "blackness".
>
I agree here. What, cant i just be seen as a normal individual. So because i go to university and im black, im not a "normal" black. One result of this approach is that black people have begun to take this to heart, the oreo cokiez you describe, as well as individuals not in school. The first impression most of my friends here had when they realised i was a tuns was, like, hey, you are a normal person...you actually talk like me....FUCKKKK

>
>>>Contrary to the excuseful thinking of those who like to
>>>blame the victims, the condition of blacks and Native Americans in the U.S.
>>>is directly a result of the racial genocide
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^
>> Where there was an attempt at genocide against the native americans, I am
>> not aware of the same against the blacks. The blacks were very harsly
>> treated, but I don't recall a systematic attempt to kill them all off.
>
>Killing millions on the middle passage to enslave and kill millions more on the
>plantations for profit qualifies for more than being "very harshly treated" in
>my book.  Not genocide perhaps in the classic sense, but what would you
>describe it as?
>
If we view racism as the continued propogation of "white supremacy", and tthe attendant behavior, then inorder to maintain a WHITE race , black people, BLACK MEN in particular cannot be allowed to survive.. Maybe i become cynical about this world as i grow older.. BUT that is genocide. So now read a paper asnd see kwhats going on.  Yes the individual has a degree of responsibility (large) for his/her actions, but by far these actions are learnt.

>> Yes, and this group bashing can continue on and on ad neauseam to whose
>> benefit? People must be looked upon and analyzed at the individual
>> level. We do not choose to be white or black; therefore lumping everyone
>> in blanket groups like this is grossly unfair to the individual.
>> 
>> And it is this that perpetuates the hatred between the groups.
>> Sad.
>
Wait. Look in the mirror, take the beam out of thy own eye before you get my speck of dust removed.  For people so on about religeion, nuff of de reall aint very spiritual. BTW how many white people find no psychological discomfort (P.E) in admitting that the work of a BLACK, ASIAN etc is better than theirs?




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