HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lwahl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Lynne K Wahl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is CDTV/AGA?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:31:11 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

YES!  I have my checkbook ready.  I'll probably have to wait 2-3
months after it's introduced in Europe though :(

Hopefully, the AGA/CDTV will have the STANDARD PICMA slot instead of the
kind-of-early PICMA slot on the old CDTV.  They can even call it CDTV2
or CDTV-II to make it look twice as good as CDI :^)
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  --Lynn Wahl   lwahl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu         | The meek will inherit the
Kansas State University Student                | earth, the rest of us are
Soil Conservation Service Computer Specialist  | going to the stars. ----*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Programming
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:25:58 GMT

Quoth <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>:

]> In article <mwm.2nir@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
]> (Mike Meyer) says:

]> >Prove that AMOS is not buggy. Write something that is AUISG compliant
]> >in it.
]> 
]> Definitions:
]> ------------
]> Bug: Anything that Mike Meyer doesn't like.

Nice dodge.  I like the way you sniped at Mike Meyers without answering
his question...

Now, add to your definition:  

BUG:  Anything that interferes with Jeff Grimmett doing other things at the
same time.

So far, every Amos program I've looked at has disrupted my system.  If I
had a caller online, they got frozen.  If I had something un-lharcing in
background, it stopped.  If I was unpacking mail, sending mail, reading
mail, packing mail, cataloging files, backing up my hard drive, compiling
code, dialing out, tracing rays, so on and so on and so on....

   .... the Amos program interrupted it.  Stopped it.  Blew it up.

NOT what I bought an Amiga for.  Sorry, but so far Amos is batting 0.000 with
me.  Cute language.  So's a Lemming.


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      	It goes without saying that they are not those of my employer.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sjchmura@quads.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Subject: Re: Notebook Computers Dominate Comdex
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:00:46 GMT

In article <By1vnx.7HM@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.161639.6403@tc.fluke.COM> kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) writes:
>>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>>   The obvious questions are: when is Commodore going to develop a notebook
>>>Amiga???  Will it be when the growth of notebook sales has slowed and some

>>As usual MB doesn't get it.
>

>   Commodore would be in the notebook computer market with a notebook Amiga
>if their engineers could develop one.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         
Marc, the quality of your posts is degenerating.  I remember a time when
some of what you said made sense.  You posted this information in, at times,
the wrong manner.  

But this is rediculous.  "if their engineers could develop one" is simply
stupid.  Their engineers could ceartinly put a battery pack on a A600.

Trash C= inept marketing and decisions.  Do not trash Dave, Chris, or
Spensor.

>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------


-- 
________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
  "Given enough time, the impossible becomes probable, and the probable
	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 11:31:45 EST
From: <IO92257@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
 <1992Nov17.163159.881@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil> <1992Nov18.033922.11247@ncsu.edu>

>OS/2 Raytracers never kill my system.
-Gee, I thought you had a clue until you said this!
 A ray-tracer takes all the system resources it can
 get it's hands on: It's the nature of the beast.
 Now if your system doesn't allow it to take every-
 thing, then of course it won't kill your system!
 It all depends on the priority you set the process
 to... this is the same on Amiga and I*M.

 Actually, as an Amiga user for the past 7 years, I
 really don't want to hear about how someone's crapbox
 I*M multitasks.  Amigas have been doing it for 7 years,
 and they do it better!  Try to play a stereo mod file on IBM
 and do anything else... can't be done, because the
 sound support is so crappy for those Intel Kludge Machines,
 that no one has written a stereo mod player for the
 SoundBlaster Pro!  Besides, an Amiga 500 ($300 bucks, last
 time I looked) can do this out of the box... a SoundBlaster
 Pro costs at least $150, and most Infernally Big Morons who
 buy an Incrediblly Boring Machine (Sorry! >:) buy just plain


 SoundBlasters, which are Mono, and crap compared to the
 Amy's double-barreled, pumping, blasting, maxed-out, standard
 dual ADC stereo outputs!!!
 Take your 20 MIP 486, and then put it where it will be most
 useful, probably against a door you want to keep open!!!

-Cutter,
Someone who has used ALL types of machines!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Help an Amigan in a PC-based world!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:50:27 GMT

lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>gordos@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John Gordos) writes:
>>   [...] For instance, can anyone name a 
>>   WYSIWYG word processor for the Amiga that can read and write files
>>   in Word for Windows 2.0 format?  How about that can read/write files
>>   in WordPerfect format?   How about any other format that the one it
>>   uses natively?
>
>Wordworth 2 can read and write files in the above formats, and also
>about half a dozen others.

What is this Wordworth?  I have heard good things about it but I haven't
seen any ads.  Is it in AmigaWorld?  (I don't have the latest issue--just
the one with the lame review of the A4000.)

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: joel@dflores.eagle.mission.tx.us (Joel Garza)
Subject: Re: Amiga sightings and other things positive.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:42:53 GMT
Organization: Dave's Amiga

If what I've been reading, (outside of this list of course!!!) is true,
see if you can get Digital Micronics to lend you a Vivid 24 with all
the coprocessors and some good demos.  If this can really out do an
SGI machine, I know I wouldn't leave the table any time soon!
(You would still need a nice monitor).


JAGuar

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re:  NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:58:12 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <root.02o9@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.011503.3155@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> papo@pyuxf.uucp (25241-anaya) writes:
>>In article <dusek.720901172@shale> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>>>
>>>	Instead of stomping on the rights of advertisers, why don't we stop
>>>the goverment and a few elitetists from repealing the rights of these women
>>>and the rest of us. I'm talking about letting the Amercian people be taught
>>>how to use handguns for self defence, given consealed weapons permits, and 
>>
>>YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

A thousand YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

>>
>>>allowed to buy handguns. You would see the crime rate plummet. Attacks 
>>>against women will also drop. 
>>
>>YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!

ditto

>
>If a woman shoots a man in an isolated area at night, before he rapes her,
>what does she use for a defense in court if his corpse is unarmed?

Self-defense.  Any other questions?

>Twenty years for manslaughter could be as bad as getting raped.

No reason anyone should do 20 years for self-defense.  In the above
case, you do what is always done...examine the evidence and
come to a determination of guilt or lack of it.

It would seem extremely unlikely that a woman who defends herself
legally with a handgun will suffer prosecution.

Of course... she COULD just lay down and die.  Is THAT worse than
20 years?
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Help an Amigan in a PC-based world!
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:12:34 GMT
Organization: City University, London

gordos@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John Gordos) writes:
>   [...] For instance, can anyone name a 
>   WYSIWYG word processor for the Amiga that can read and write files
>   in Word for Windows 2.0 format?  How about that can read/write files
>   in WordPerfect format?   How about any other format that the one it
>   uses natively?

Wordworth 2 can read and write files in the above formats, and also
about half a dozen others.

--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:14:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF) writes:

>W H O   N E E D S  R I S C  ? ?

>According to a recent article in IEE News, Motorola is to release the 68060 
>some time in '94, following it up with up to three more generations which
>should see a 68000 compatable 200MIPS processor released by the end of the
>decade...

>This is NOT a hoax. I'll mail the article tomorrow, I'm also sending off
>for more information via the IEE Reader Service...


RISC will eventually take over CISC's market.  Several reasons: 
1) It takes a long time (man-year) to develop a CISC chip
2) Space on a chip is limited.  Risc doesn't have as much componets as
   CISC... so Motorola will eventually run out of space if they were to
   continue making sophiscated CISC chip.
3) believe it or not, 060 (or even the 040) is somewhat a RISC chip.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.171128.1693@msus1.msus.edu>, martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??) writes:

 > >Sorta like your bank account.  Should I screw with that?
 > 
 > Sure if you wanna color Xerox the money and leave it there for me...no prob..

I'm talking about the fact that the money you have in the bank is *NOT* *REAL*.
If you have a large amount of money in the bank, then try to get it out in cash, 
will you get it?  No.  The bank will say they don't *have* that much money right
now.  Your money is just numbers in a computer - ie, *not* physical.  Therefore,
by your logic, they have no value. 

 > A4000 Coming SOON!!, Real soon.                 MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU

-Eyvind

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sjjohnst@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Johnston)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Summary: Why would you want to play two songs at once anyway? 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:01:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.174602.21677@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>Neither.  OS/2 lets me run two different music players that output to the same
>device at the same time.  I presume by your response that the Amiga does not
>provide this level of hardware virtualization.
>
>John W. Linville

Why would you want two different songs playing out of the same speaker?  It
would be like listening to two differnt stations on the radio - possible but
usually pointless.  On the Amiga, a program asks for an audio channel (or up
to four channels), and then this channel is then exclsusively for that
program.  Much like network that locks a file becuase one user is writing to
it, so that other's can't.  Are you suggesting that this is a hardware defect?

I hope OS/2 doesn't do the same for files as it dose for audio :-)
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:23:25 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Nov16.223302.6261@ncsu.edu> by linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville):

> Finally, for those who devalue high processor speeds, try getting 30-40 back-
> ground processes running and then tell me how well your Amiga compares to my
> PC running OS/2.

    What do you mean here? I've got 26 tasks going at the moment, and
    none of them are extraordinary. I'm using a "remote shell", ie
    I've dialled into a shell working through the serial port, so I've
    not got a module player or a newsreader or an editor or other
    stuff running (I had to quit out of the newsreader to get the
    following list):

    ------------------------------ 8< ------------------------------
  1 A590/A2091 IORequest h  tw       11 00295CE0  1000    98  
  2 A590/A2091 SCSI handle  tw       12 00299A00  1000    98  
  3 CNX                     pw        5 003644B8  3200    94  
  4 CON                     pw        5 00290CB8  3200    94  
  5 console.device          tw        5 00287700  4096    90  
  6 DF0                     pw       10 0028A0E8  2400   130  
  7 DF1                     pw       10 0028CAB8  2400   130  
  8 dh0:utils/smartdisk sc  bw   3    0 002BEDC0 20000   270  
  9 DH0                     pw       10 0029B0D8  2400   130  
 10 fast                    pw       10 002A0E08  2400   130  
 11 getty -B19200 -A -7 -M  bw   4    0 003136F0 20000   478  
 12 input.device            tw       20 00283492  4096    86  
 13 JDMouse                 pw        1 002C04F0  2048   156  
 14 misc                    pw       10 002A6A70  2400   130  
 15 NULL                    pw        5 002F7D40   500   158  
 16 PATH                    pw       10 0031B5F8  4000    98  
 17 PowerSnap-Handler       bw   2    5 002ECE88  4000   110  
 18 ramlib                  pw        0 0028F3B8  2048   262  
 19 RAM                     pw       10 00294FD8  1200   678  
 20 report                  cr   6    0 0037A4A0 20000   386  
 21 RexxMaster              pw        4 002AD1A0  2048   162  
 22 trackdisk.device        tw        5 00287F44   512    98  
 23 trackdisk.device        tw        5 0028F144   512    98  
 24 watchcd                 bw   5    0 00378908 20000   166  
 25 WSH_Completer_V2        pw        4 002C1670 10748   886  
 26  no command           cw   1    0 002D36C0  4800  2690  
    ------------------------------ 8< ------------------------------

    Are you trying to say OS/2 can't do this, or what?

> John W. Linville
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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:30:01 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <kdarling.722157233@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>Andy Finkel writes:
>kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>>The player *must* also use Kodak display algorithms, it (probably) needs
>>>a Bridge Disc (modified ISO9660) file manager, and (probably) will need
>>>to be able to use the coming expanded Photo CD menuing/audio features...
>>>which is handled on Kodak players via a custom ASIC, and on CD-I players
>>>by including a CD-I program on each Photo CD disc.
>>>
>>>So it would seem that CDTV didn't meet Kodak specs as a "Photo CD player."
>> 
>>Actually, it seems you have no information on the subject;  your conclusions
>>are basically CD-I biased.  If you have any statements from either Kodak
>>or Philips on this, you should post them.  Unbacked assertions won't prove
>>anything.
>
>Biased?  If you mean the one line above where I mentioned the expanded
>Photo CD features and CD-I solution, I thought it was unavoidable.  It
>was necessary to point out yet another "Photo CD player" requirement.

I was refering to the conclusion you reached;  the line above starting
with the line 'So it would seem...'.  CDTV requiring additional software
of similar functionality to the software that is required to be included
on each PhotoCD disc.  (required inclusion probably at Philip's 'request').

>My main wish was to point out that Kodak has to sanction/write Photo CD
>support for all systems such as the Amiga or CDTV (or ST or whatever).
>So Kodak could easily be a far more likely reason for delay than Philips.

Or Philips could easily be a far more likely reason for delay than
Kodak.  After all, one might assume that it is to Kodak's benefit
in getting a new standard adopted to have as many players out there
as possible since Kodak sees the money they will make from PhotoCD in terms
other than player sales.

You really don't have the information you'd need to accurately judge.

>kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>


			andy
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Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 18 Nov 92  11:18:02

> Organization: University of Waterloo
> From: sjjohnst@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Johnston)
> Message-ID: BxvK6G.2rM@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> Somewhere, at some point, someone has to  play with the hardware.  Or else
> why have any hardware at all?  (ie - the computer would just exist in your
> imagination)  The OS is the programmers interface with the hardware.  No one
> should be hitting the hardware directly, because as Commodore has said
> before,

This is fine.

> the hardware will change.  But because the OS is the interface with the
> hard-
> ware, it has to change with each new chip set.  And that is why WB3.0 is
> incompatible with ECS machines.

This  however,  is  not.   Your theory is all well and good, with one minor
snag:  3.0 is NOT incompatible with ECS machines.

I remember this exact same argument when the A3000 and 2.0 first came out.

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 --- AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Magnet, Major, etc ---is infinate, and god is-
 --- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! ---all powerful, would you-
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--- Maximus 2.00
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 21 Nov 92 10:24:14 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov20.151457.16329@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@mickey (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Jeffrey Grimmett 9999 (jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com) wrote:
> : 
> : Hm, well, I can get "more different things" done on my 020 at home than I can
> : on a i486 under winders or OS/2 or Unix.  Why do you think that is?
> : 
> 
> Because you're not in touch with reality, esp. about OS/2 and Unix?

	Heres a typical Jerry response.  He's got some kind of inside
	track on reality.  Give me a break.
> 
> :
> : Jeff Grimmett [SuperBitMap BBS]          * fido!1:202/1401.0 [619-460-7290]
> :
> 
> Jerry J. Shekhel				jerry@msi.com
> Spending a week working in the UK!
	 
	Hope you have fun.

Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:48:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov18.033922.11247@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.163159.881@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil> dyer@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil (Doug Dyer) writes:
>>run about that many processes every day.  Its CPU INTENSIVE apps that kill - 
>>ie morphers, ray-tracers.  A couple of those at a reasonably high priority
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>OS/2 ray-tracers never kill my system.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Proving my earlier point.
Or that you aren't truly listening to each other.

Make your ray-tracer a time-critical process and -then- tell me how well
your foreground processes run (assuming my old OS/2 1.3 knowledge is
applicable to OS/2 2.0 priority class structure).

Time Critical processes always get priority over the foreground task.  There
are 31 priority levels within the Time Critical priority class.  All
foreground tasks get Round-Robin scheduled.  The "Regular" Priority Class
has dynamic variation (priority aging ala Unix) over 31 priorities and the
Idle class has another 31 priorities.

Equal priorities get round-robin scheduled.
Except for the Regular Priority Class' dynamic variation, and the concept
of a foreground app (which I claim closes in on meaningless on a GUI), this is
-very- similar to the Amiga setup.

Someone let me know if my info is out of date, I don't have access to a 2.0
book here....
David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.