From: lambri@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Lambrinos)
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 09:16:36 GMT


In article <94895@bu.edu>, buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.223506.261@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu 
> (Yannis Schoinas) writes:
> 
> >Sorry to jump in but I couldn't resist. Can you give me a definition
> >to the word greeks that would explain why the vlachs or the slavophones
> >are not greeks? I can't think of any reasonable that would leave 90% Greeks
> >in Macedonia (or even in Greece) excluding them.
> >
> 
> 	Definition of a word cannot make someone Greek ! 
> 
> 	It is the feeling that they have about themselves that make 
> 	them what they are.
> 
> 	If they feel Vlach, they are Vlachs, 
> 	If they feel Bulgarian, they are Bulgarians,
> 	if they feel Macedonian, they are Macedonians !


I am a Cretan, I feel Cretan (CRETE: 6000 years of history, Viva MINOAS).

> 
> 	We are talking about PEOPLE here and not about animal speces
> 	that we define and name, like Canis Lupus Familiaris, 
> 	and it becomes a dog, or you define something as Macaca mulatta
> 	and you are having from now on a Rhesus monkey, no metter 
> 	what he sais.
> 	
> 	PEOPLE have FEELINGS or CONCIUSSNESS ABOUT NATIONALITY 
> 	and it is a part of their CULTURE, that doesn't have to do with 
> 	how you define someone else, but whether he feels that he belongs
> 	to that cultural group or not.

Cretan culture is less similar to the Greek than the Vlach and Macedonian is.
But WE STILL FEEL MORE GREEKS THAN THE REST OF THE GREEKS. Can You explain that?
You may have to check you history books (advise don't try to deep analyse
Greek people feelings or conciussness about nationality, you'll get in a
situation similar to Russel's one and we don't want to loose you so soon):

Mycenaenians vs Cretans.
Spartians vs Athenians
Macedonians vs Athenians.
.........................

Everybody was figthing everybody, but..... when there was an external enemy
everybody was Greek and none was Spartian, Athenian, Korinthian, Macedonian.
(external enemy: e.g Persians, Romans, Arabs, Turks, Bulgarians, Italians, Germans).
Because of the distance Crete and Thessaloniki (capital of Macedonia)
didn't have any special relations, could you please explain to me why
the Cretans were the first to get in Thessalonika as ***volunteers***
and help macedonians in the balkan wars?

> 	Moreover, there are many different definitions of national 
> 	groups, so using someone elses definitions may be ambiguous. 
> 	That's why just the personal feeling is relevant about this metter.
> 
> 	Regarding the people in Greek Macedonia, all of them, 
> 	except the turists, are greek citizens, meaning they have
> 	greek id's, passports, do the greek military service if 
> 	needed, etc. But they may feeel ethic Vlachs, Macedonians,
> 	Bulgarians, or whatever.
> 
Rubbish!

In Greece we say: "where you come from?", "I am Macedonian" or "I am Vlach"
or "I am Cretan" or "I am Pelloponisian".... we assume that everybody is GREEK.
 
Stop bullshiting about Vlachs. I am talking on  behalf of my two
Vlach fiends and x-colleagues, they feel 100% percent greeks (perhaps more
greek than the Cretans that feel more greek than the rest of the greeks).
If you want to make fun on  somebody's national conciussness I advise you
to look somewhere further eastern (or north).
								
> 	
> 		Yassu,
> 
> 			Lou

Yassu kai sena,

Dimitrios.

PS.
There is no nation by blood (with some rare exceptions)
There is nation by culture.
Greek culture = Macedonian+Athenian+Spartian+Korinthian+Cretan+Vlach+......
........ Culture.
Peace.

	
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