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From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: ALKSNIS threats the BALTIC states
Date: 22 Nov 92 11:44:31 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Nov22.002125.17680@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.144642.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> 
>>Quoting e-mail (Baltlist):
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> The Baltic Independent of November 6-12 carried several relevant items.
> 
>>> In a separate report in the BI, bylined Lisa Trei, the so-called Black
>>> Colonel gave some blood-curdling predictions. Colonel Alksnis
>>> predicted that baltics independence would last five or ten
>>> years, but would fail step by step. "That is the mild scenario.
>>> The tough scenario is similar to what happened in the
>>> Trans-Dniestr. As soon as the first shot is fired in Estonia Russia
>>> will respond.... the nationalist radicals in Estonia are doing
>>> everything possible to ensure that the shooting will begin. We
>>> are waiting for the minute when the situation will explode. It
>>> doesn't need any stirring up. Its already hot.
> 
>>> We are optimistic that the future independence of Estonia will fail
>>> because it is 90 percent tied to the centre. The existing
>>> powers hope that they can still save the economy with bilateral
>>> relations with other countries but that is an illusion.. the
>>> level of integration will just force the existing powers
>>> to leave and others to take their place..."
> 
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>>sent with no comment by
>>the observer
>>Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
>>                   urbs fennorum
> 
> And it would be very interesting to hear someone's from Estonian side
> comments: for me Alksnis, as ever, speaks sheer truth.
> Does someone disagree?
> 
> Misha.

I have no reason whatsoever to suspect Alksnis, when he is describing 
his own intentions.

But, when he makes a statement on "Estonian nationalist radicals" it's not
clear to me, which people he is referring to. Hopefully not to the
Estonian right-wing+right-wing-social democrat government. If so, he is
deliberately spreading disinformation.

Moreover, it seems that Alksnis is poorly informed on the Estonian economy.

If somebody wants to study the real objectives of the Estonian government,
please read my previous postings with subject "The ESTONIAN cabinet
coalition agreement".

with best regards
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: More Pseudo Scholars in Action defending the Ottomans
Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:33:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic, actually AT&T's very own Hasan B Mutlu) writes:

> >How's this different from the forced religion changes caused by the
> >angelic Ottomans (tm)? 
> 
> Is this the "perlman-ian" of the week? The following observations by 
> Westerners were written in French by Ahmet Cevat: 

Does it make it more credible if it is in French, Mutlu? Is Mr. Ahmet Cevat 
a Turk or not? Nah, he's a Turk alright, but he's objective (in French!)

(* [Many patronising statements] These facts demonstrate that Muslim
(* countries provided spiritually far better living conditions than Christian
(* countries."[1]

And, 

(* On account of this, the autonomy of minorities in Turkey is better and 
(* more complete than any in the most advanced European countries."[2]

And,

(* Turks never oppress anybody on account of his religion. [3]

And, 

(* "In that vast and calm country of the sultan, all religions and nations are
(* living together peacefully. [4]"

Of course, "(*" is Turkiye's very own..... But some of Djevat's stuff was
actually written by A. Ubicini.... Any info on Signor Ubicini, Mutlu?

(* [1]  Ah. Djevat, "Yabancilara Gore Eski Turkler," 3rd ed. (Istanbul, 1978),
(*      pp. 70-71.
(* [2]  Ibid., p.91.
(* [3]  Ibid., pp. 214-
(* [4]  Ibid., pp. 215-216.

As usual, I won't challenge your statements above. I'll just challenge
you to produce a NON-Turkish source for any of the stuff above. I am
sure  I can read BAGDHAT NEWS or IRAQI FREE PRESS and see "objectivism"
all over the place about Iraq winning the MOTHER OF ALL WARS. But coming
from a country where freedom of expression is questionable at best 
newspapers being collected before publication,  movies, poems, Kurdish
language, etc all censored/forbidden until very recently, etc) I'd have
a hard time accepting Djevat Bey as anything other than a career paid
propagandist. 

> Serdar Argic

Surely, you jest.

Spiros
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Narva in the inter-war period
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:06:12 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Mikhail S. Verbitsky (verbit@brauer.harvard.edu) writes:
>Dear Erland, you are not exactly right. The problem with Narva
>is that this city is almost on the border, and on the other
>side of the border there is another city, Ivangorod.

And to which country did Ivangorod belong in the inter-war
period?

>Naturally, in Soviet times these cities grow up like one (like, say,
>Estonian Valga and Latvian Valka), so their population
>became more mixed than before. If you consider those
>two cities together, then you'll see that the demography
>sitiation did not change much.

If there were only 7-8000 Russians in Narva in 1925 of a total
of 26.000, and the demography is the same in Narva + Ivangorod,
and today there are 97% Russians in Narva we can draw the conclusion
that there were 400.000 Russians living in Ivangorod at the time.
Doesn't seem bloodly likely, does it?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Maris, Komis, Udmurts, Mordvas, Karelians...on the net
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:22:51 GMT

Simon Streltsov (simon1@bass.bu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1ejfjbINN5bj@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
: >In article <1992Nov20.065853.14857@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: >>
: > Are there any mordvians, maris, komis, udmurts,ingrians, Russiafinns,
: > karelians, vepsians, vatians, mansis,nganasans, nenets',ingeroins,
: > komiperjaks, livvis, lyydis, saamis, hantis, selkups on the net?
: > Fenno-ugrians of Russia?
: > I am curious to know.
: >>
: >Any hunns or finikians?
: No, Jews killed all Phoenicians (sp?) a long time ago.
: As to hunns, they name themselves Frenchmen and
: don't like the old name.
: 
: As to finns in Karelia,
: a well-known census found only 3 (three):
: Finn,Finkel'shtein, Fininspektor,
: but later all three were found to be the same person

Well, I really did not get your joke, it must be an insider joke,
but do you know really any of those nationalities in Russia? 
I red in a newspaper by us that
there was the first meeting of a Fenno-Ugrian Congress this summer
in Izevsk. I really do not know where is Izevsk by the way, some where
behind Moscow, I mean to the east.

Today there were news that the karelians, finns and vepsians of the Republic
of Karelia had a meeting where there were discussed about their situation
in the Republic of Karelia as a minority. 

You are right there are hardly many finns living in Russia or any other
Fenno-Ugrian people, they are a tiny minority among the many minorities.
This is a joke:" the russians are the largest minority in Russia."
I mean that Russia consists of hundreds of minorities in fact.
: 
Any one who knows more?

Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.turkish
From: tammet@cs.chalmers.se (Tanel Tammet)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Narva in the inter-war period
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:14:34 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS, Chalmers, Sweden

In article <1992Nov17.150100.19122@ryn.mro4.dec.com> libkind@hdlite.enet.dec.com (Sam Libkind) writes:
>
>Question to Tanel Tammet:
>
>You seems to be knowledgable on the Estonia - Rusian border issue, 
>it's why I am asking this question.
>
>I spent many summers in my teens in Pechory (Petseri), the area which
> used to belong to Estonia (Between two World Wars).
>
>Is there a territorial dispute in regard of that territory?
>
>Sam.

Correct. This used to be a southeastern part of Estonia. And the general
feeling in Estonia about this area is that it is felt to be a greater loss
than the areas in the northeastern part (behind Narva). The area is also
significantly larger than the northeastern. 

However, I am afraid that these areas are lost to Estonia forever - except
(in case of sheer luck) Russia agrees to not claim some small parts of
the area - I do not expect they are ready to accept the pre-WWII borders.
And Estonia is not pressing Russia to return the areas, feeling
the probable futility of such attempts. Still, it is not considered to
be absolutely impossible either. 

An additional comment to people not knowing much of the geography
there: why did Russia take areas in the northeast and southeast, but not
in the middle? Answer: the area in the middle consists of a big lake
(called Peipsi).
 
Regards,
	Tanel Tammet
From: VIZNYUK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (SERGEI VIZNYUK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: RUSSIANS consider ESTONIANS hostile
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet>

> From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
>
> Now, we should get the neutral observes to study the situation.
> It's just great: Estonia has nothing to conceal!

 Are you sure ?

> On the contrary, this kind of monitoring is crucial to the Estonians,
> because, as the Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty reports:
>
>> RUSSIANS THINK BALTS ARE HOSTILE, SAYS POLL.  A recent poll of
>> leading Russian opinion makers shows the three Baltic States at
>> the top of a list of foreign countries regarded as being hostile
>> to Russia.  According to an October poll conducted by the Russian
>> Department of Public Opinion Research among parliamentarians,
>> party and military leaders, and other influential persons, some
>> 70% of the respondents named Estonia as being the country most
>> hostile to Russia, followed by 62% for Latvia and 58% for
>> Lithuania. The countries regarded most friendly toward Russia
>> included Kazakhstan (86% of the respondents), Germany (55%) and
>> the US (44%). Only 5% of those questioned considered Estonia to be
>> either "a friendly country" or "Russia's ally." BNS, citing
>> Interfax, reported the results of the survey, released on 16
>> November at the Russian Foreign Ministry's Council for Foreign
>> Policy meeting held that day in Moscow. (Riina Kionka, RFE/RL,
>> Inc.)
>
> This is a fact: Russians ARE afraid of Estonia in some odd way
> - a lilliput nation that amounts about one million Estonians...

...which stinks like a barrel of shit...

> And, one should not forget: it is also the other way around. During
> the so-called Baltic crackdown in the beginning of 1991 about a dozen
> Lithuanians were killed by Soviet troops and about half a dozen Latvians
> by OMON. No Estonian got shot or was run over by a Soviet tank.
>
> Have you ever wondered, why?

  Nope, I didn't wonder because I know why. Cowardly Estonians
were hiding behind Lithianian backs and never came even close
to such protests similar to those Lithianians did in Vilnius.
Estonians became very bold only after they were _granted_ their
"independence", which they barely deserve.

Serega & Co
From: ee_d375@CERES.KING.AC.UK
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: (none)
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:07:14 GMT
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Organization: Kingston University
lkjhlkjhlj
From: zzhrdn@ACC.WUACC.EDU ("", harden daniel)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re:  Serdar Argic and His Posts
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:19:35 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

I agree completely with Vladimir re the postings of Mr. Argic.  I have con-]
templated removing myself from this list because of all of his stuff, which
really does not relate, as I understood it, to the purpose of this group.
I decided simply to erase his stuff without swimming through it - because
there are some good and interesting postings.
                                                      GDaniel
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.cis
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Re: Back to politics
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:18:17 GMT

	In the current dispute on Armenian
secession from the Union, I would like to agree with Mikhail.

	The "referendums" and "declarations" at that period of time
when the Soviet Union still existed were more of tactical
political actions, than a strategy. This was one of the leverages to
use against the central government and Gorbachev on the part of
the republics.

	Besides, Armenia, involved in the Karabakih conflict with Azerbaijan,
was engaged in yet another field of tactical maneuvring - Azerbaijan
was largely relying on the old Communist corps and the Center, Armenia - on the
"democrats" and alliance with Russian democrats.

	Both sides were using threats of leaving the Union as a leverage
in their dispute over Karabakh.

	Strategically, however, even before the Union actually dissolved,
Armenian leadership signed a number of bilateral agreements with Russia,
including the security pact.

	Being cut off from the external world, Armenia is in absolute
dependence on Russia and Georgia. Today the "road of life" for Armenia
starts in Russian and Ukrainian ports of the Black sea, goes through the 
Georgian ports of Batumi and Poti, and then the cargo after being substantially
reduced there, gets to the republic.

	Another option is Turkey which gave its agreement recently
to transport some quantity of flour into Armenia. The Turkish governemnt,
however, conditions the establishment of full diplomatic relations
with Armenia on a number of factors, including Karabakh and the Genocide
of the 1915. The road through Iran although functioning, is tortuous
and hardly usable.

	So much on that. It woud be interesting to hear about the current 
trends in Georgian-Russian and Russian-Azeri relations. Some important
events have occurred there recently. Does anybody have any ideas?

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: shm@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Shailendra Majmundar)
Subject: Touring Russia
Reply-To: shm@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:10:48 GMT


Hi!

I am planning to tour the former Soviet Union shortly. Could someone
please suggest me which areas are politically disturbed that I should
stay away from? I do not want to get stranded in the local fights. Also
any tips towards places to see and accomodations etc. would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Sam (shm@syl.nj.nec.com)
From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Subject: Re: Helsinki Watch Report
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:18:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.192016.1673@physics.ucla.edu>, viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk) writes:
> In article <1992Nov15.160140.20410@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
> >
> >The following is a Helsinki Watch report on the Russian Interior Ministry
> >forces and the Azeri OMON Military Forces during the late spring and summer of
> >1991.
> 
>   Just a lii-i-ttle remark. First, it was not _Russian_ Interior
> Ministry Forces which were engaged (on whatever side) in Karabakh mess,
> but _Soviet_. Second, the "Helsinki Watch" has discredited itself
> as more or less reliable source of information, by claiming some
> stupid stuff about violation of minorities rights in Russia, in
> particular concerning Chechens (!!!), and Meskhetian Turks (!!!),
> while managing not to notice the flagrant human rights violations
> in neigboring Latvia and Estonia. Third, if the "Helsinki Watch"
> at least tried to make some air of objectivity, they would have
> asked the witnesses from Azeri side as well.
> 
> Serega & Co



At "Helsinki Watch" request I personally translated to Russian the
report of "Helsinki Watch" fact-finding miision to Baku in 1990 after
Soviet army seized the city in Jan. 1990. In my opinion it's an
example of an honest and unbiased document. They are equally concerned
with human rights of all people.


			Sasha
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 13:21:57 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Independent Chuvashia II


In article <BxM1w8.E28@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
says:
>
>In article <1ds8nbINNd0f@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M.
>Mukharsky) writes:
>>In article <92316.175925U52539@uicvm.uic.edu> ---  BORYS  ---
><U52539@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>   The Chuvashans probably consider their culture under threat
>>>   from the Russians (lets be honest here, our 'Great Russian' big brother
>>

>>I was under impression, that Chuvashans probably consider their
>>culture to be same as Russian culture. In this field big brother
>>does have pretty good track record.
>>
>>Yury
>
>    Chuvash's independence movement is about $$$, not culture.
>    They simply want to control the republic's natural resources.
>
>
>
>
>--
   Are there any Chuvashes on the net who could help us out?                   -
Is there anyone from any of the non-Russian regions likt Tatars, etc?


-Cro
>-
>---
>Disclaimer: all opinions are mine.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
>---



Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Subject: Serdechnye zametki
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:40:39 GMT

	Chto-to nash Serdeshny poslednee vremya udesyateril svoi tsitatny ponos.
Ego "Agric"ultural zametki ne imeyut nikakoi svyazi s okruzhayuschim mirom.
Esli on takoi poliglot i nakopil tsitat na god vperyed, to prichem tut 
talk.politics.soviet ? Ya davno podozreval, chto territoriya xSU ispol'zuetsya
vysshimi instantsiyami dlya razlichnogo roda eksperimentov - to s krestonostsami
srazhaisya, to mongolo-tataram protivodeistvui, a to i vovse revolyutsiyu zadumali
obtyapat'. Seichas vrode by i na popyatnuyu, da narod uzh ne tot.
A tut esche odin iz vyisokih instantsii na nashu golovu - Mudlom by on podavilsya.
Chto-to, navernoe, est' prityagatel'noe v tom raiskom ugolke.

Kstati, neskol'ko let nazad vyidvinuli teoriyu, chto geopoliticheskaya situatsiya
vo mnogom opredelyaet ekonomiku i soznaniye lyudei. I eta massovo neispravimaya
russkaya len' ot eye rodimoi, geografii i proistekaet. Etakii Aziato-Evropeisky
uklad s pretenziei na sverhnechto i grustnyimi realiyami. Na moih glazah ( v pere-
nosnom smyisle ) deyatel'nyie amerikantsyi za 2-3 mesyatsa prevraschalis' v
pokornyih vlachitelei sud'byi ili ( v luchshem sluchae ) upotreblyali ostatok
svoei energii na skoreischee vozvraschenie. Mozhet nam nashemu Serdeshnomu
den'zhat na "1-way ticket" sobrat', on tam poostyinet ? Gotov vzyat' org. rabotu
na sebya. A, kstati, nikto ne probyival emy napryamik e-mail poslat' ?
V lyubvi, naprimer, priznat'sya. On chto i na eto genotzidom otvechat' budet ?

   Yury
From: 055434@uottawa.bitnet (Sean Maguire)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Gagging at the mess of "visser the revisionist"s lies.
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:28:29 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Cecilia A Clancy wrote: (9709@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP)

"Come on Argic-efendi, don't call Vissar a liar."

Our favorite multi-poster responded brilliantly with:

"Don't insult our collective low intelligence."

Mutlu, this is the second self-insult in the past two weeks!  Is there
something bothering you that you'd like to talk about (other than that pesky
Genocide thing) to the rest of us.  I mean, we really care about your emotional
well-being......   N    N    OO   TTTTT   !
                   N N  N   O  O    T     !
                   N   NN   O  O    T
                   N    N    OO     T     !

Have a day, Mutlu (and the other 10 people on the list who actually read Mutlu
                   messages/replys)
Sean Maguire
055434@acadvm1.uottawa.ca
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Re: So the Greeks were monsters because they wanted to be free
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:41:13 GMT

In article <9211172019.AA02002@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) 

Not only Greeks. Bulgarians, Serbs, Montenegrians, Albanians,
Romanians, Armenians, Arabs, Georgians were guilty too. Thay had the nerve to
think about being free and leaving the Empire. Such a boldness.

How they got there - we do not ask. The latest version of Mutlu was
"a self-established corporation". The nations of the Mediterranean went to
Altay mountains and ask the Turks to come and govern them.

How they lived there - we do not ask. Apparently, they were very happy,
because they were sacrificing tens of thousands of their population
just to get out.

Some of them managed, some of them - in part. Some of them -
killed and thrown out of their homeland.

Why is it that 3 000 000 Armenians live outside Armenia -
from US to Indonesia, from Argentina to Wales, we do not ask.

I still believe that no documents, archives, references are necessary to
find out what happenned. Just some common sense, knowledge of history
on the high-school level, correct terminology and logic. And everything
is abundantly clear.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Re: Response to Vladimor Zhivov and Artavazd Khachikian posts on
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:19:38 GMT

In article <01GRCRO0AQBM9S3WCV@VAX1.UMKC.EDU> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>Date: 14 Nov 1992 08:09:40 +0000 (GMT)
>From: "(Vladimir Zhivov)" <vzhivov%ALFRED.CCS.CARLETON.CA@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
>Subject: RE: Back to actual politics
>Comments: To: tps-l@indycms.iupui.edu, val-l@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu,
>russia@indycms.iupui.edu
>

	Thank you very much for your thoughts. The recent developments
in Russia give more food for analysis. I encourage other participants
to share their views on that.

	Let us transform this group from a stage for endless and pointless
ethnic-historical exchanges to a group where we could look into the
future for ourselves and our countries.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Does anybody disagree with Mutlu among his compatriots?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:17:30 GMT

I have a question to all the Turkish participants in these newsgroups.

Is there any one among you who disagrees with Mutlu/Argic postings?
If yes, please let us know.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: gorelik@xsoft.xerox.com (Mike Gorelik)
Subject: Re: Serdar Argic and His Posts
Organization: XSoft, Palo Alto, Software Engineering/DevTools
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:45:58 GMT

In article <vzhivov.721689700@cunews>, vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
|> Mr. Argic, kindly keep your propaganda to other groups (better if you
|> kept it to yourself); I'm interested in current Soviet (CIS) politics,

	If so, you are in the wrong group.

|> and don't want to see this group flooded by blitherings about "the
|> evil Armenian fascists". 
|>                                                   Vladimir

-- 
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mike gorelik			

I like my potatoe genetically engineered.
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