HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lmh@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu)
Subject: Re: Chinese Taipei 
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.064942.26733@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Liang Yung Chii (Dr)) writes:

   Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Path: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!yale!yale.edu!jvnc.net!nuscc!elelyc
   From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Liang Yung Chii (Dr))
   Sender:  elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Yung C. Liang)
   Organization: National University of Singapore
   References: <Bs0FM6.1IA@acsu.buffalo.edu>
   Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:49:42 GMT
   Lines: 13

   In article <Bs0FM6.1IA@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
   >
   >On the background, you could hear a voice (with Spanish accent):
   >"Chinese Taipei".  The Canadian commentator (excitedly): "Here comes
   >the Chinese Taipei." 
   >
   >-Chunshi

   I am wondering if the name is "China Taipei" for this year ?

   Regards, 
   Yung C. Liang
   e-mail: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg

Though I don't know Spanish that well.  However, I seem to recall that
the "China Taipei" is spanish for Chinese Taipei.  

Cheers,

- Minghsun
From: mikemo@bullwinkle.Tymnet.COM (Mike Mo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Our Olympic Baseball Team vs US Team (Was Re: Bad News)
Keywords: Baseball
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:55:10 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

>>hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong) writes:
>>> Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
>>> Keywords: Baseball
>>> 
>>> Just heard we lost to USA 10-9.  Can anybody confirm??
>>This piece of information is correct.  Actually I think the guys
>>are doing OK, only losing one point to the US. US was the champion
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>in Seoul Olympics.  This time the baseball is an official item, and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>we can expect that the US will select a good team for the medal.
>>I will be happy if the Taiwan baseball team can win a bronze medal,
>>which is possible, but the boys have to fight real hard.
>>S.W.
>

But Taiwan was the Champion in Los Angles Olympics in 1984.

SO, we stand a fairly good chance to beat USA, if meet USA again in the finals.

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Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.  Copyleft 1992
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From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:28:55 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Jul28.223753.511@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang) writes:
> In <1992Jul26.225209.10185@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
> 
> >>|>>>>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
> >>|>>>>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
> >>|>>>             ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> >Some back sounds: why is that?
> 
> Money talks. Everything else is irrelevent. Females like to find someone
> with big bucks so that they don't need to work hard.
> 
> I don't like western women because they are too lazy.
> 

That could be a true statement for your experience. I have seen
some US hard-working women within my immediate access. Generally, 
US women behaves more like tom-boys, are energetic and aggressive.

In rural areas, US women are doing the housework more than you can imagine.

> -- 
> 
> Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
> 			Tel: (204) 275-0165 (only between 2:00am and 3:00am)		
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.japan
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Zen Story (13)
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<Bs5uFM.CyK@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:59:34 GMT

In article <Bs5uFM.CyK@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> kzumy@watnow.waterloo.edu
 (Kazuo Uezumi) writes:

   >When one neglects that the most precious thing is his life;
   >the most lovely people are always around him (or her);...
   >one is even more stupid than the monk, don't you agree?

  Hell, no! Most people manage to go around neglecting all the precious
things in life without additionally inflicting officious pieces of two bit
wisdom on the public. More power to them, I say!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: amehta@hubcap.clemson.edu (mehta apurva)
Subject: info on visa and shopping in taiwan
Reply-To: amehta@hubcap.UUCP (mehta apurva)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:48:52 GMT

dear friends,
i plan to visit taipei next month and wanted some of my questions answered
1) do foreign nationals require a visa to visit taiwan (for 2-3 days). if so
can the visa be got at the airport or do you need to take it in the u.s. also
what could be the visa fee?
2) what are the best buys in taipei? (electronics, clothes, ...?)
3) what might be the price of a laptop computer in taipei? where could one
find a deal? anyway, are computers generally cheaper in taipei than in u.s.?
C
4)is it advisable to buy things at the duty free shops at the airport (in terms
of price) in case one is not able to obtain a visa to move out of the airport?

my name is apurva mehta.
thank you.

4) is it advisable to buy things at the
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan news worldwide via shortwave radio
From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:32:35 GMT
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Liang Yung Chii (Dr))
Subject: Re: Chinese Taipei 
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:49:42 GMT

In article <Bs0FM6.1IA@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>
>On the background, you could hear a voice (with Spanish accent):
>"Chinese Taipei".  The Canadian commentator (excitedly): "Here comes
>the Chinese Taipei." 
>
>-Chunshi

I am wondering if the name is "China Taipei" for this year ?

Regards, 
Yung C. Liang
e-mail: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:41:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.150731.11665@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
->In article <1992Jul29.110739.> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
->>->
->>->Money talks. Everything else is irrelevent. Females like to find someone
->>->with big bucks so that they don't need to work hard.
->>->
->>->I don't like western women because they are too lazy.
->>
->>Now i know why there's so many "i can't find a girlfriend!" posts in
->>scc......
->
->Now, I don't recall anybody on scc said they could not find a girlfriend.
->Maybe your ex's did, but not openly on scc. Offer your apologies please. 

actually, you are right - i was confusing my newsgroups.  my apologies
for an incorrect statement.

thus to address the first point:

->>->I don't like western women because they are too lazy.

being a western woman myself who is a software designer that works
60+ hour weeks for fun, i'd be most interested in your reasoning behind
your statement.

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From: lulu@ucrmath.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Chinese editor for PC's
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:13:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Can anyone provide me with some information on a public domain
Chinese editor for the IBM PC?  A ftp site (or better yet, a
uuencoded ZIP or ARC or ZOO archive) would be greatly appreciated!

I have a VGA monitor, so any display format should be okay.
Thanks in advance!

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrmath==---  just another bewildered college undergraduate.
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"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
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From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: CFV: alt.us.visas
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:40:50 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

How about creating a group called alt.us.visas.  By the addition of this 
group we could help folks mostly interested in visa information from any 
country to get that information easily.  A FAQ will also be helpful. 
This will moderate many of the soc groups. 



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               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
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From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Chinese men & American women not so rare
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:02:50 GMT
Organization: UB

wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) wrote:
>
> >>hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao) writes:
> >>
> >>>In article <klp.711739653@tomalak> klp@doe.carleton.ca (Ka Lun Pang)
>    writes:
> >>>>In <YwQ--q+@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
>     writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
> >>>>>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
> >>>>             ^^^^^^^^^
> One of my Chinese friends is married to an American woman, and a friend
> of a friend is another Chinese man married to an American woman.  Guess
> out of about 20 Chinese friends and such, 2 of 20 isn't so rare.
> One friend, an American man, is married to a Chinese woman.  Of course,
> my "sample size" is too small to draw any real conclusions.
 
I think your Chinese friends who are married to American woman were born in
USA.  In addition to Culture difference, I believe Language is another problem.
If an American man chases a Chinese girl, he can talk to her in easy English.
But American girls have no patience with the broken English of
Taiwanese/Chinese men.
 
If so, your mistake is wrong sample, not the size.
Just my thoughts.
 

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
From: hpw10@ccc.amdahl.com (Peter W Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Chinese men & American women not so rare
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:36:07 GMT
Reply-To: hpw10@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Bs24or.1Kt@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
>wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) wrote:
>I think your Chinese friends who are married to American woman were born in
>USA.  In addition to Culture difference, I believe Language is another problem.
>If an American man chases a Chinese girl, he can talk to her in easy English.
>But American girls have no patience with the broken English of
>Taiwanese/Chinese men.
> 
>If so, your mistake is wrong sample, not the size.
>Just my thoughts.
> 
>
Hey my friend,
    Not all chinese men have broken English like you.  So why don't you
practice some more English before you make such a stupid statement.

Peter Hwang.  By the way, I had many American girlfriends.  However, I am
happily married to a Taiwanese lady now.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su (rewa sergey vladimirovich)
Subject: Looking for partners !
Reply-To: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su
Organization: Fact-INFO
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:09:06 +0400

             *** LOOKING FOR CONTACTS ***
  We beg the pardon for using this conference,but we didn't
find any other. We are looking for commercial/trade contacts
in countries of South-Eastern Asia (Japan,China,Korea,Hongkong,
Taiwan etc.). So,if anybody can provide us with Internet or Bitnet
adresses of interested centres/firms/companies in named regions,
we'll be extremly thankfull.
Our commercial interests are widely spread in the sphere of
consumption.
Please,answer us directly, 'cos we don't read this conference.
 - Sergey Rewa - (Fact-INFO firm,Khabarovsk,Russia)

Internet : SERG@FACTINFO.KHABAROVSK.SU



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chaoli@merlin.tcs.com (Chao-Li Tarng)
Subject: Re: American-Chinese food (was Re: fc, sushi, egg/spring rolls)
Organization: Teknekron Comm. Sys., Inc., Berkeley, Ca.
	<19806@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:25:47 GMT

In article <19806@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:

> In article <29JUL199208545868@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> leungk@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (The Wandering Hermit) writes:
> 
> >>   <stuff deleted>
> >>
> >>Come to think of it, American-Chinese cuisine is literally
> >>a distinct "Chinese" cuisine in itself.  Are there such
> >>dishes as Sweet and Sour or Egg Foo Young in China, Taiwan,
> >>or Hong Kong?
> 
> There is S/S, although it tastes totally different.

Sweet and Sour Pork is called Gu Lao Rho (or Gu Lu Rho, I am not
able to translate it lieterally).  I have seen some Chinese restaurants
making SSP the way I saw in Taiwan--deep fried pork with reddish SS sauce
and garnished with pine apple, red pepper and onion.

There is a similar dish, Tang Chu Pai Gu (sugar vinegar pork spare rib).
But it is rarely served in Americanized Chinese restaurants because 
eating spare ribs with chopsticks is more difficult than picking peanuts
:).

> I don't know about EFY, never seen it or had it.
> By the way, here is another "how did the name become this way" question:
> In Chinese, "chow mein" literally means stir-fried noodles, so I don't
> understand how it became to stand for bean sprouts or those dried noodle
> things?  

I would like to know the answer too.  I guess it is related to Cantonese
chow mein, more specifically, zha mein (deep fried noodle, crisply noodle).
I know some flavors of Cantonese chow mein serve with lots of bean sprouts.

> While I am chowing, what's "chop suey"?  Is that an "invention"
> or a poorly translated word?
> 

Chop suey is Cantonese of cha suey (miscellenous pieces).  There is a
famous Chinese dish called Lee Gong Cha Suey.  Don't know if there is
any relationship.

> >in Hong Kong. Of course, the Egg Foo Young in the States is a totally
> >different creature compare to the one in HK. :)
> 
> What the hell is Egg Foo Young?  I understand that in Cantonese it is
> called "Yong Dang"?  But what is it?????  And where did this EGG FOO
> YOUNG name come from?  
> 
> --
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> University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
> Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
> " It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 

This thread is definitely delicious...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Racial Problem? (was: Voice to change of voter.)
Reply-To: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:01:22 GMT

In article <YwQ--q+@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>...........
>...........
>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
>The reputation of American woman has been the worst in the 
>world since the sex liberation. I have heard this joke from people
>in many country. American husband does not know where his wife
>will sleep tonight. It may be the racist's opinion. But it may be
>a part of American culture. 
>
>One day on TV, I saw an American woman proudly told the public
>that she had sex with more than 4,000 man. Her daughter was standing
>with her and she could not tell who is her daughter's father.
>She also has a lot of theories about why she should have so many
>sex partners. I can not imagine this happens in China nor any
>other country in the world.
>
>The decay of a society is the beginning of a country's falling.
>It is the time for American to come back to Jesus. This is
>the only way for America avoid the fall.
    Good point!
    It seems to me that in China,people have too little freedom to decide their
own fate while in US,people have too much freedom to do whatever they think are
good for them.If you beleive what the bible says that mem is sinful,it is
understandable that the excessive freedom will lead to decay of human society.
    Many my Amerivan friends told me that they think the real threat to
the country is not economics,not politics and not culture but moral crises.
Nowadays,things like abotion and homosextual are becoming more and more
acceptable by punblic.Even politics is affected in a great extent.
    Can American retrive the traditional value like you said come back to Jesus
and revive their their country? I doubt it.Sedan is really tough and working
hard to destroy this country. Let see what will happen. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Followup-To: alt.flame
Reply-To: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:01:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.070447.13769%onghiok@ling.nthu.edu.tw>,
onghiok@ling.nthu.edu.tw (H.Samual Wang (035)715131-4398) writes:
|> ...
|> 
|> I had a conversation with one of my Canadian friends (female) years
ago on
|> topic like this.  She said that from the western point of view,
Chinese
|> women are attractive to western men, but Chinese men are not
attractive
|> to western women.  Sigh! I am a Chinese man, unforturnately.
|> S.W.

	Well, It is actually not so difficult to make oneself attractive
to the opposite sex. It costs you a few bucks but is just easy to dress
up properly, shave daily, pump a bit iron, swim some, do something
about
the bad breathe, always walk with confidence, takes a little effort to 
always follow the grammar and speak decent english, and characters, 
that's the toughest part, you got what you got, you are who you are, 
no faking here. There is the racial factor here, but one simply cannot
blame his own bad breathe on someone else right? :)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: c60a-aa@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Ka-Chung Wong)
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Summary: Why?
Keywords: ???
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:02:26 GMT

I'm just curious.  What were the reasons your Canadian female friend hold to 
claim that Chinese men are not attractive to them??

Anyway, opinions like this are highly personal.  It could vary a great deal 
from one woman to another.  I just happen to know several couples that are 
Chinese men and American women.
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: 99% will support Taiwan Independence
Date: 22 Jul 1992 09:46:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <76346@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>My guess is that only about <50% of Taiwanese really care about
>unification versus ti.  My goal is to convince those that don't care
>about unification versus TI itself, that gradual unification will have
>a good effect on the things that they do care about (the economy for
>example).
>
>I suppose your goal is to convince those people that ROT will have
>a good effect on those things.

My guess is that only about <50% of Taiwanese really care about
unification versus ti.  My goal is to convince those that don't care
about unification versus TI itself, that official independence will have
a good effect on the things that they do care about (the security and
safety for example).

I suppose your goal is to convince those people that unification with China
will have a good effect on those things.

By the way, Mr. Joe Wang, why do you always avoid answering the question
about the claim of Mr. Lin Rong-San, a KMT Central Standing COmmittee
member, that 99% of Taiwanese will support independence if there is no
military threat from Chia ?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:11078 soc.culture.hongkong:9085 soc.culture.china:20640
From: ruan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Racial Problem? (was: Voice to change of voter.)
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:24:31 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <YwQ--q+@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
> In article <Bro82s.8q4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> C_LIN@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Chun-Hung Lin) writes:
>>
>>There is no point for me to continue the discussion with a *person*
>>(not a dog or swine) who spits out derogatory slur so rampantly, yet
>>claims that the whole issue is not related to racism.
>>
>>You don't have to answer, if you wish not to, the following questions:
>>
>>1) If those black students from Africa were white students from US
>>or Europe, would they had received the same treatment?
> 
> Two points:
> 
> 1) Chinese government should treat US students and European Students
> the same as the Chinese students.
> 
> 2) Chinese government has the right to give more benefits to a
> certain group of people. However, Chinese government does not
> have to give it to all of foreign people. At the minimum, 
> Chinese government has the right to refuse to pay anybody.
> 
>>
>>2) If Chinese students and white women are involved in
>>"unethical" events in the US, then surrounded by American and are
>>subsequently beat up by American police, would you call it a non-
>>racial incident?  Will you label them as "KKK"?
>>
> Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
> fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
> The reputation of American woman has been the worst in the 
> world since the sex liberation. I have heard this joke from people
> in many country. American husband does not know where his wife
> will sleep tonight. It may be the racist's opinion. But it may be
> a part of American culture. 
> 
> One day on TV, I saw an American woman proudly told the public
> that she had sex with more than 4,000 man. Her daughter was standing
> with her and she could not tell who is her daughter's father.
> She also has a lot of theories about why she should have so many
> sex partners. I can not imagine this happens in China nor any
> other country in the world.
> 
> The decay of a society is the beginning of a country's falling.
> It is the time for American to come back to Jesus. This is
> the only way for America avoid the fall.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan