HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gerald Fountain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: SGI Educational Sales: Need Phone #
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:54:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

My research group is looking into purchasing two new workstations and SGI has
come up as one of our options.  Does anyone have a phone number where I can
get some info on the educational pricing details (and company propaganda :-)


-- 
Jerry Fountain                       
Northwestern University                        gof@stokes.chem-eng.nwu.edu
Department of Chemical Engineering             (708) 491-3555
2145 Sheridan Road, Evanston, IL  60208
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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Audio Questions
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:22:17 GMT

In <1992Jul26.222526.9166@news.iastate.edu> bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Bryan Manske) writes:
| EXPLANATION AND CORRECTION:
| 
| Statement: Dave is a God.  Explanation: I posted this on Saturday, I believe,
|            and had his response in about an hour.  The fact that he is working
| weekends, and crunching news at that, is incredible.
| Now that's service.
| 
| 
| Correction:  Most SGI-Netters certainly qualify for saint-hood if not
|              god-hood.  I recieved several VERY USEFUL tidbits of
| information.  (Okay, so I did find 1 particular item of use after rummaging
| around in the manuals and man pages for over an hour and fifteen minutes.)
| SINCERE THANKS TO ALL WHO REPLIED.

I blush for all of us...

| Suggestion:  For the love of sanity, Someone PLEASE compile a comprehesive
|              index for the hardbound manual sets with each (major) system
|              release.

For the man pages there is apropos, which does a pretty good job
(after you run /usr/lib/makewhatis).  For the other manuals, I've
been yelling about *useful* indexs for a while.  The pubs folks have
the message, and I think things are (slowly) improving as manuals
are redone.  That still doesn't help if you don't know what manual
to look at though.  The online (CD based, although it could be copied
to a hard disk) documention product that is being worked on should 
help for this though (and no, it emphaticaly does *not* replace the
hard copy manuals, although some of us had to fight for that).
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
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From: hillig@U.Chem.LSA.UMich.EDU (Kurt Hillig)
Subject: Re: Audio Questions
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:14:42 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <nr30llc@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>In <1992Jul27.150050.10809@news.iastate.edu> bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Bryan Manske) writes:
>| In article <nq81smc@zuni.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>| >In <1992Jul26.222526.9166@news.iastate.edu> bryan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Bryan Manske) writes:
>| 
>| [stuff deleted]
>| 
>| >That still doesn't help if you don't know what manual
>|               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| >to look at though.  The online (CD based, although it could be copied
>|  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| 
>| My very point.
>| 
>| >to a hard disk) documention product that is being worked on should 
>| >help for this though (and no, it emphaticaly does *not* replace the
>| >hard copy manuals, although some of us had to fight for that).
>| 
>| I know about whatis/apropos and about the upcomming cd-rom product,
>| I'm just saying that one cumulative index (this can be found in that
>| manual on those pages) for hard-bound manuals would be, well, nice.
>
>The problem is that these manuals are redone over long time frames,
>so we would be reissuing the master index every time a new manual
>was issued (that is, we don't reissue every manual at once).  Not
>only that, but stuff moves from one manual to another, or old
>manuals go away, etc.  My guess is that a master index would
>therefore always be wrong, which would be even more frustrating.

Yes, but....  The most valuable feature of a master index is that it
points one in the right direction.  Having the page numbers off once
in a while is a small price to pay for the convenience of knowing 
just which FM to R.  Take a look at DEC's "gray wall" - umpteen
volumes to wade through, but the master indices make this a very 
usable resource.

>For a product like the online documentation CD, in theory, this
>won't be a problem ;)

Only if it's done well - see AIX's infamous InfoExplorer for an example
of CD-based docs that the users (at least those who post to comp.unix.aix)
uniformly seem to hate - and in any case, CD-based docs are _only_ useful
when your machine is working, and Murphy insists that this be a rare case.

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From: pj@sam.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Jackson)
Subject: Re: When will templates be implemented in SGI C++?
Keywords: C++, templates
Reply-To: pj@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Research & Development
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:30:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.214246.1681@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jyp@swarm.wustl.edu (Jerome Plun) writes:
|>   We have Irix 4.0.2 with C++ 2.1.2 which does not handle template...
|> 
|>   Are there any plans to get the C++ compiler up to par with the language
|> definition (3.0)?

Just released, I believe.  I'm just a happy internal user of what
I call our 3.10 compilers, which include a full implementation of
templates for C++ (good stuff), so can not speak officially.  But
I understand that these compilers released to manufacturing in the
last week or so.  See your sales representative.

-- 

				I won't rest till it's the best ...
				Software Production Engineer
				Paul Jackson (pj@sgi.com), x1373
From: senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: OpenGL and Motif Widgets
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:58:17 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

If I had had a chance to see OpenGL, I'm sure I wouldn't be asking
this question, but does OpenGL support Motif widgets and/or
does it have it's own widget library? Perhaps another way of
asking this is there a "GL" widget library available to
users? When the "big boys" at SGI write gl code with buttons,
sliders, scroll bars, etc., what do they use?

The reason I'm asking is that we are training students to
write graphic programs for our Indigos and I would rather
teach them IrixGL than Motif -- if learning IrixGL is 
more similar to the forthcoming OpenGL than Motif. However
I'm alittle tired of writing my own widgets. (Yeah I know
about the FORMS library). 

If OpenGL is open, and if various companies (e.g. DEC) are already
showing OpenGL programs on their machines at SIGGRAPH, 
couldn't someone at least post a brief listing of the OpenGL
functions/widgets? on comp.sys.sgi for those of us who couldn't
afford the time/money to attend an SGI Developers conference :)
Isn't it in SGI's strategic interest to get as many people programming
in OpenGL as soon as possible?


-- 
"Is this the party to   |  David M. Senseman  (senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu)
 whom I am speaking?"   |  Brain Research Laboratory
          --Ernestine   |  The University of Texas at San Antonio
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From: laplante@ocgy.ubc.ca (Denis Laplante)
Subject: Re: Is there a 'dump' program for IRIX?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:14:32 GMT

olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
>All 4.0 IRIX systems come with dump/restore, and there is an 
>(unsupported) version floating around somewhere for 3.3.

Changing the subject slightly, I would like to draw attention on two
differences between dump under IRIX and the BSD and Sun versions.

1- It counts blocks of 1024 bytes, not 512 !  For du and df, the IRIX versions
   count blocks of 512 bytes.  It seems like a lot of trouble just to to be
   different from SunOs :-)

2- Under IRIX dump is not suid:
   Under SunOs 4.1.2
-rwsr-sr-x  1 root     tty         57344 Oct 23  1991 /usr/etc/dump*
   but under IRIX 4.0.1
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     sys       131120 Jan 17 10:09 /usr/etc/dump*

This causes the following problem when not running as root (but with
appropriate group read permission on the raw disk device file):

 dump 0f red:/dev/null /
   rcmd: socket: Permission denied
   DUMP: Couldn't execute /etc/rmt on red

Is there a reason not to make dump suid root?  It would then allow the
dump program to run as a less priviledged user than root, and reduce
the need for /.rhosts remote root login permission.  For example I
could have the host with the tape (red) call up host blue using 
something like:
	rsh blue /etc/dump 1uf red:/dev/nrtapens /usr
From: hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: FORMS Library..?
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:47:49 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.sgi
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory


In article <1992Jul28.215412.5368@u.washington.edu> absinthe@topo.chem.washington.edu writes:

>   What is it? Who sells it? (at what price?)
>   I have seen an example of its use, but it was very brief.
>
>   Much thanks for any responses!
>   --
>	 Daniel Faken          |    Name a poison,
>  absinthe@u.washington.edu   |    pick your flavour.

I just ported over the Forms library a couple of days ago from:

archive.cs.ruu.nl		131.211.80.17

in pub/SGI.

It is a User Interface toolkit written by a Dutchman. I printed the
documetation on it and learnt the stuff ( at least the basic stuff) in
2 - 3 hours. I thought it was great and real easy to use. 

My only worry: Is it standardized?? or rather popular enough?
		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^             ^^^^^^^
In the sense that if I go over to another machine in another location,
can I expect the Forms library to be located there (with a reasonable
chance)?

Apart from this worry I thought Forms was a great User Interface
library/toolkit (at least for the simple minded like me!).

- Hari

K.R.Harinarayan
Robotics Lab., Dept. of Mech. Engg.
Univ. of Wisconsin, Madison

Fone  : (608) 262-7463, (608) 262 - 9056
e-mail: hari@robios.me.wisc.edu
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From: panisset@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Jean-Francois Panisset)
Subject: RealityEngine texturing question
Summary: How are the texture coordinates computed?
Keywords: texture VGX RealityEngine
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:57:52 GMT


I saw the glossies for RealityEngine, and I would sure want one... My
question is the following: on VGX/VGXT, the texture coordinates are specified
at the vertices of a polygon using the t2?() commands. The intermediate
s,t texture coordinates are then computed for the pixels inside the polygon
using linear interpolation between the "real" values at the vertices.
Since this does not yield the exact texture coordinates (you need to
do a per-pixel division to get those), you end up having to subdivide
your polygons (the name of the call to do this automatically escapes
me at this point), which is not always a satisfying solution. So the
question is: does RealityEngine do a per-pixel division to get the
exact s,t coordinates, or does it still rely on polygon subdivision
to approximate the real answer? Also, does it do any form of directional
filtering in the mip-map for edge-on polygons, and if not, how does
it determine the level of detail from which to fetch the texture pixels:
does it select it based on the largest or smallest dimension of the pixel
once projected on the polygon?

Thanks in advance for all answers...

JF Panisset
-- 
Jean-Francois Panisset                    
INET: panisset@mcrcim.mcgill.ca            
      panisset@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
UUCP: ...!mcgill-vision!panisset           
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From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: HAPPY ENDING: dials+buttons, stereo, DB-9 or DIN-8
Keywords: dials and buttons, stereo, serial, DB-9, DIN-8
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:10:37 GMT

Some days ago I asked about the feasibility of getting both a
dials+buttons and stereo viewer working on a 4d/310.
The complications were that:
1. Both devices need a power supply as well as serial line
signals.
2. SGI have, apparently, sold two kinds of d+b box. One had a
seperate power supply, the other expected to get its power
from the extra line brought to the front of the 4d/310 through
the din-8 plug (not present on db-9 connectors).
SGI had delivered a d+b box to us which did not have a
seperate power supply.
3. The owners guide says that only the first two (of four)
serial ports carry any signals.
4. Both devices need power, but only one of the first of the
two serial ports has the din-8 plug with the extra power.

The cure was found by luck, not knowledge.
a) stick the d+b box on com2 using the din-8 connector.
b) Now how to get both power and signal to the stereo viewer ?
The manual clearly states
"Single processor systems support... two 9-pin D-sub serial
connectors and *one* 8-pin DIN connector; signal is not
provided to connector pairs 3 and 4."
Despite me reading the manual to SGI, the Zurich men insisted
on plugging the stereo viewer into the DIN-8 plug on com3.
To my surprise, the thing worked.

Explanation ?
I asked the men and they theorised that although the standard
serial lines might not be wired up on com3, the power and
stereo sync lines were.
Witchcraft, but it did work.

Thanks to the people who posted/mailed suggestions about power
packs, bifurcated cables and so on.
-Andrew
-- 
Andrew Torda, Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zurich, torda@igc.ethz.ch
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From: ajd@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Ashley Dreier)
Subject: Re: Unix spell and Showcase
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:22:13 GMT

russ@dash.mitre.org (Russell Leighton) writes:


>Okay, so you don't get Unix spell with Irix4...I got a
>public domain Unix spell but I cannot get Showcase to
>recognize that I have it.

>How do you tell showcase that you have spell?

>Russ
>--

>  Russell Leighton                                *     *                     
>  MITRE Signal Processing Center      ***        ***   ***      ***           
>  7525 Colshire Dr.                 ******       ***   ***    ******          

Or better still, how can you tell showcase about any spelling checker,
such as ispell, etc...


		Ash.

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From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: Help, we've been bitten by the cron bug in 4.0.1!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:24:13 GMT

I hate to have to ask this, but I didn't pay enough attention the last
time I saw this go by.  Cron has flipped out on our 4D-240 running Irix
4.0.1.  Every 15 minutes or so, root receives a mail message saying:

> bin:/bin:/etc:/usr/etc:/usr/bin/X11/bin/sh: is not an identifier
> 
> *************************************************
> Cron: The previous message is the standard output
>       and standard error of one of your cron commands.

The obvious solution -- killing and restarting cron -- doesn't seem to
help.  I'm sure I read the workaround for this a couple months back,
but it didn't seem important at the time...

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu
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From: zoo@cygnus.com (david d 'zoo' zuhn)
Subject: Re: make and SGI sales (unrelated)
X-Md4-Signature: 7a5f1d02c49797cb63d30742ff62ca86
Organization: Cygnus Support -- +1 415 322 3816
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:00:14 GMT


   I have two unrelated issues. First the important one. Ever since
   making the switch from Sun to SGI, I have never looked back. Nor do
   I want to. Except for one thing. Make on the Sun seems to be vastly
   superior to make on SGI.

If you ever want to write portable Makefiles, you need to ignore most
of the Sun extensions to make, since no one else does them in a
compatible way.

   The documentation of make in the SGI manuals is spartan at best.
   Also, some of the best features of Sun make are not available on
   the SGI, like shell assignements of macros; e.g.,


Might I suggest GNU make?  It works very nicely on a wide variety of
machines, so you can use its extended features and not worry about it
not being available on any given machine.  It's the second thing I
bring over to any new box (bash being the first).

GNU Make is available from prep.ai.mit.edu as /pub/gnu/make-3.62.tar.Z.

  david d 'zoo' zuhn |  
    cygnus support   |  "Man made it, man can fix it."
    zoo@cygnus.com   |  		-- anonymous biker in South Dakota
From: chrise@atc.boeing.com (Chris Esposito)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: duplicate routine problem in libmpc.a / libc_s.a
Keywords: oserror, setoserror, warnings
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:26:24 GMT
Reply-To: chrise@atc.boeing.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi
Organization: Boeing Research & Technology

I've been noticing the following error message in the final stage of a `make'
for a program a colleague and I have been working on, and now that all of the
other problems have been resolved I'd like to get rid of this one.  The
program appears to work despite the warnings, so we have ignored them until
this point.  We're no longer explicitly linking against libc_s.a, as you can
see from the partial output from `make' below, but it appears to be getting
dragged in anyway.  Is there any way to get rid of these warnings?


	cc -float -cckr  -g2    [many .o files here ...]
 -L. -lcgm -lmpc  -lgutil -limage -lPW -lvc -lgl_s -lds -lm  -lfm_s
/usr/bin/ld:
Warning: _oserror: multiply defined
	previous (used) definition from '/usr/lib/libmpc.a';
	new (ignored) definition from '/usr/lib/libc_s.a'
Warning: _setoserror: multiply defined
	previous (used) definition from '/usr/lib/libmpc.a';
	new (ignored) definition from '/usr/lib/libc_s.a'

Compilation finished at Mon Jul 20 10:26:12

Q: Why did the cybernaut cross the road?   A: He was jacked into the chicken
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Esposito  (206) 865-3162            | Internet: chrise@atc.boeing.com
Boeing Research & Technology, Comp. Sci.  | uucp: ...!uw-june!bcsaic!chrise
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: mvoorhis@joseph.WPI.EDU (Michael C Voorhis)
Subject:  HELP - din 8 pinout & *map*
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:27:46 GMT


*** I am posting this for jzp@gene.ummed.edu, please respond to him, since
I know nothing about this stuff :-)

Thanks,
	Mike.

================================================================

I am in DIRE need of the hole-position-to-hole-number map for the
DIN8 serial ports on the 4ds[30, to be specific].
Yes, _man_serial_ gives me the pinout, but the port is not labeled
and I cannot recall if the center-line of holes is `reversed' in
its numbering or not.

Please respond ASAP to jzp@gene.ummed.edu.

Thank you, 
 Joe Provo

Disclaimer: "I'm the only one foolish enough to claim these opinions as mine."
jzp@gene.ummed.edu           jprovo@shunix.uucp          jprovo@gnu.ai.mit.edu
    Russell Street UN*X Consultations and Development     (NIC handle: JZP)
Joe @ 90.5 FM in Worcester, MA                       Rev. Dkr. Nick LaRG0, ASC
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: SCSI cmd=0x28 Errors
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:37:12 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Jul29.125655.29381@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> waugh@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jim Waugh) writes:
|    Does anyone know the implication of the following message
| lines in my 4D/80GT's /usr/adm/SYSLOG file? (4.0.1 IRIX)
| 
| Jul 28 14:57:06 iris1 unix: sc0,1,0: cmd=0x28 timeout after 30 sec.
|                                      Resetting SCSI bus
| Jul 28 14:57:09 iris1 unix: dks0d1s6: retrying request
| 
|    What does cmd=0x28 signify? The messages generally appear when

0x28 is an extended read command (the normal read command for the
disk driver).

| disk-to-tape activity is performed, e.g. bru backups, tar tape archive
| creations, etc. The tape drive has been repeatedly cleaned, and no

You either have firmware problems on the tape drive, cabling problems,
missing or extra termination, or the like.

| other abnormalities have been observed, like users complaining of
| corrupted files, etc. (If I redirect the output of bru/tar to

Lots of SCSI bus resets could do that.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Subject: Re: sendmail and timed problems.
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:39:49 GMT

In article <ianh.712383053@morgana>, ianh@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ian Hoyle) writes:
> ...
> configmail/sendmail.cf.auto is nice (albiet slow when it runs - don't use it
> for a central mail host),...


Why not?  Don't you use frozen configuration files, so that the
slowness of configmail matters only when your reboot the system,
which should happen unusually rarely on a cnetral mail host?

Robert has suffered some little nagging about the slowness of
configmail.  Recent versions are much better, but there is
still room for improvement.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: hofer@urz.unibas.ch (Remo Hofer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: putting it on the internet
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:22:15 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

In article <1992Jul27.113032.33230@urz.unibas.ch>, hofer@urz.unibas.ch 
(Remo Hofer) writes:
> In article <npnjof4@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>, vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com 
> (Vernon Schryver) writes:
>> ...
>> and then run /etc/configmail, as described in `man configmail` or in
>> configmail's help messages.
>> ... 
>> Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
> 
> I've moved sendmail.cf.auto to sendmail.cf some time ago, and mail works fine
> for us (but mail delivery is a bit slow). Reading your post, I tried to look
> at `man configmail`, but I did not find it on our system. `ls /etc/configmail`
> didn't show any file either. I thought, I've installed all the system (not just
> the defaults). So, what's about configmail and where can I find it?
> BTW We are running IRIX 4.0.1 on a PI 4D/35.
> 
> Remo Hofer

I've found /usr/etc/configmail, but still no manpage.
           ^^^^
Remo Hofer
-- 
       RFC822:  <hofer@urz.unibas.ch> or <hofer%urz.unibas.ch@CERNVAX.BITNET>
        X.400:  S=hofer;OU=urz;O=unibas;P=SWITCH;A=ARCOM;C=CH
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From: apas611@chpc.utexas.edu (David Boles)
Subject: Re: HELP - machine refuses to power on
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.192953.7710@chpc.utexas.edu> apas611@chpc.utexas.edu (David Boles) writes:
>Hello,
>
>in front (no effect, as expected) and a breaker-like switch on the
>back of the base of the small tower of this twin-tower unit.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Any help is appreciated!
>
>David Boles
>Applied Research Labs
>UT Austin
>

Sorry, I decided to take the machine apart while I was waiting and discovered
the reset switch.  This did the trick.

Thanks,

David Boles


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