HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rice@sumex-aim.Stanford.EDU (James Rice)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Tunnels #1.
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:57:04
Organization: Knowledge Systems Lab, Stanford University
	<BRUCE.92Dec18123825@suprenum.uxb.liv.ac.uk>
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In-reply-to: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk's message of 18 Dec 92 12:44:02 GMT

In article <BRUCE.92Dec18123825@suprenum.uxb.liv.ac.uk> bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:

   >>>>> On 13 Dec 92 14:52:36 GMT, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com said:

   [...]
   > Source of Information:Secember 15, 1992-Sun-23
   What on earth is this?

Far be it for me to speak for _-_-_John_-_-_-_-_-_Winston_-_-_
but I took this to be a reference to an issue of the tabloid
called "the Sun" available in the U.S.  Residents of the U.K.
should not mistake this for the paper of the same name available
there.  In fact, they look superficially very similar in typography
(perhaps they are both owned by Rupert Murdock), but they
are vastly different in content.  Wereas the Sun in Britain will
have headlines of the form:

  Catholic Bishop caught in schoolgirl confession shock horror
  probe!!!!!!!!

and bared boobs on page 3, the U.S. version has headlines of the form:

  Elvis seen abducting Clinton in UFO alien space ship!!!!!!

[Note 1: that in the U.S. "aliens" come illegally from Mexico, the
beings refered to by _J_-_W_ at such length are "UFO aliens"]
[Note 2: both such headlines would probably be in bold upper case]

As an aside, it may be of interest to readers in the Commonwealth
that there are more differences between the U.S. and the U.K. than
their Suns.  The most insidious one I have found is with the word
"Quite".  In American, this means "very".  In the U.K. it means
"slightly" (unless with sarcasm).  Thus, in the U.S., you might see
someone say that McElwain is quite full of shit.  In the U.K. you
may not find this sufficient and would be forced to think he was
an arch-wanker.





Rice - still getting over being told that my cooking was quite good.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 06:28:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People Great and Small: I learned a great lesson this week. Never
say you will send over 400 k bytes of information to people when your
computer will konk out at about 200 k bytes. I did manage to get most
of it to about 10 people.  Please past it on to other people if you 
will.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 06:10:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People: Today is saturday. I'll see if I can conjure up some 
earth shaking bit of information to share with you.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman? IN BED
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:51:57 GMT

In article <71945@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: In the award that Kibo gave me he also sent me a sheet of 
>paper with 3 bonus points on it. If he will maybe he can put the 
>people on who sponsors him. I let a friend of mine look at at and 
>he nearly fell over laughing.
>How about it Kibo can you post it?

Unfortunately, I'm in Schenectady, and all my data is on my hard drive
in Boston at the moment.  Sorry.  (And besides, today's Dec 18, the date
the Scientologists are supposed to be taking over the world!)

Chin up, though.  You've made a start at collecting the 100 bonus points
needed to collect the Free Lunch.
								-- K.


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Think
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 06:07:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: Well I read now that some of you are starting to think.
That's a good sign. Reminds we of the movie 2001.
John Winston.
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From: chroma@hoptoad.uucp (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Strange Letter (John Winston's friend)
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:08:51 GMT
Reply-To: chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering

Actually the letter from South America is interesting in that there
are a lots of UFO believers in South America, and lots of UFO "cults",
well cults in the academic sense of the word meaning small groups of
believers not big enuff to be a religion. There is some speculation that
at the rate UFO belief was growing in South America, it would be a religion
pretty soon. I heard statements like: "growing faster than the Mormons"
who were reputed to be doing quite well at the time. However as far as
I could tell they didn't directly go out and look for converts. I mean
no on went around conservatively-well-dressed on bicycles with little
name tags that say: "Elder Smith or Elder Jones" which was always funny
because these people were always young an in their 20s. Has anyone else
received anything from South America that is UFO related?? And if so what
was the material like? Has anyone did a real study of the putative 
South American UFO Religion?


			Be seeing You,
			   Steve

reply: chroma@toad.com
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Basher.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:11:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Bashar.
  I told you before I would look up some information and get back to you. Here 
is the information. It is a person on earth asking a space person by the 
name of Bashar a question.
            "Bashar, are we going to blow ourselves up?"
"No!! Your civilization has already decided on a collective subconscious level 
not to do so.  You all chose to be here in this transformational age to see 
that you do NOT replay Atlantis and destroy yoursolves and your world this 
time around.
  Around the year 1997 a spark will be ignited to your Middle East..
There will  be a complete transformation in that entire area..
 By your year 2027 your world will be absolutely interwoven into the Galactic 
Association of worlds-as an equal member.
 We have no need for you to believe us. We are here to assist you in believing 
in yourselves. 
 The only time you have struggle and pain is when you are trying to be someone 
you are not, fighting your natural flow. 
 When you remove guilt from your tool box, you will realize that nothing is 
too good or too simple to be true: nothing is too wondrous or too ecstatic 
to be yours. 
 You deserve all you can conceive of..
So that it folKs (me JW speaking). I hope it all comes true.
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:35:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: Where do all you people come from? To borrow a phrase
from the great Len, by the way I'm a christian too. 
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 08:35:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: MUFON SPEAKS OUT.
  In answer to people who say I am not serious enough, not in the mainstream 
and all that, I herby and forthwith do proclaim the following information.  
This information comes striaght from the horse's mouth that is, MUFON (the 
great and noble group that investigates UFOs).  I will have to admit that a 
few of my friends to belong to the organization though. 
  So here we go with the  information; The Government is using the media to 
leak information it has on UFOs and alien life forms after years of covering 
it up, says an expert. (I believe I once called it Project Awareness, JW.)
  "I'm starting to suspect that Fox network is somehow supporting the 
goverment's covert educatioal program," says Don Ware, a retired Air Force 
pilot and state director for the Florida chapter of the Mutual UFO Network 
(MUFON).  He's referring to TV shows such as Sightings, shown on Fox network 
on Friday nights.
  Ware spoke at a national UFO conference in Tallahassee, Florida, where 
others related experiences with UFOs, including tales of abduction. 
  Maryann Meadow, 37, of Cairo, Georgia, says she has been having contact with 
aliens since she was 7 years old. 
  The woman says a Bigfoot-like  creature with red glowing eyes "walked right 
up to me." She claims she saw her first UFO at the age of 14 and says the 
aliens have special plans for her and keep in touch with her by flying over 
her farm. 
  A former prison chaplain, Rickey Monroe of Vidalia, Georgia, says he was 
abducted by a 3-foot tall gray alien with black, almond-shaped eyes from his 
own living room.  
  He says he was putting on his socks when he looked up to see the alien 
standing in fron of him.
  "He instructed me to follow him-telpathically-which I did," Monroe says. 
  "The being then levitaed himself off the porch. At this point," he adds, "I 
lost all memory of what occured."
   This is me (John Winston) speaking now. This all seems pretty far out but 
if MUFON people say it you've got to believe it.
Source of information: December 22, 1992-SUN-27.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin)
Subject: Re: The Demon Driven UFO.
Reply-To: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:25:22 GMT


In article <71562@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Ones: It's good to hear all of you expressing your ideas. Who knows
>you may be right.
>John Winston

But what about us Zeroes? How can you expect to be taken seriously 
yourself when you only acknowledge half of the binary number system?
Sheesh!


Adam Levin     st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
"Yeah. Like what's feminine protection? A chartreuse flamethrower?"
	--Portnoy, Bloom County
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:45:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I'll admit that Bruce caught me cold turkey in a mistake
in that I should have used the word December rather than the way I spelled 
it.  I must be explicit so that all can understand. Max you be careful
now or you'll fall off of that soap box.
John Winston.
From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (My grandad sent 35% of his money to the IRS and all I got was this lousy nuclear arsenal.)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:16:38 EST

In article <1992Dec11.163629.3130@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
> In article <71414@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Dear Space Fans: It seems I am hearing a few discouraging words in this
>>collection. Thank you very much. There is a frequency on which you can
>>listen to the space people as they wait over the Lake Isabella area
>>talking to Edwards Air Force Base. After they talk with the air 
>>traffic controllers and wait for a while then they go on over to Groom
>>Lake but then everybody already knows that.
>>John Winston.
> 
> Dear God-fearing people: I believe that all of these space people that
> Mr Winston and others talk about are not actual biological organisms like
> humans but either Demons or Angels. Read the Bible sometime: in Genesis
> you will find no mention of God creating humanoids, 

yes, this  is the answer i've been looking for!
when faced with the unknown, let's pretend we're in the dark ages, 
face to face with demons.

this will also work if people of a different race or religion move
into your neighborhood. They must be demons too.  just burn them out.

i like these no-brainer all-purpose solutions, and if it worked for 
Torquemada...

   ando.

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: The Devil Drives a UFO.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:21:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear One and All: If I were looking for Denice I would look for her
next week and the week after that.  I interviewed her twice. It has 
been reported to me by an atheist that I have offended God fearing 
people. If people want to believe that Devils and Demons drive UFOs
that Ok with me. I have never seen it myself. But if you doubt it
just get on the Hollywood Freeway during rush hour.
John Winston. I figure God has a sense of humor. He made us didn't he-
she?
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:38:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.163629.3130@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <71414@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Dear Space Fans: It seems I am hearing a few discouraging words in this
>>collection. Thank you very much. There is a frequency on which you can
>>listen to the space people as they wait over the Lake Isabella area
>>talking to Edwards Air Force Base. After they talk with the air 
>>traffic controllers and wait for a while then they go on over to Groom
>>Lake but then everybody already knows that.
>>John Winston.
>
>Dear God-fearing people: I believe that all of these space people that
>Mr Winston and others talk about are not actual biological organisms like
>humans but either Demons or Angels. Read the Bible sometime: in Genesis
>you will find no mention of God creating humanoids, or, in fact, any other
>life, on any othe planet besides Earth. If you really are seeing or hearing
>people floating over Lake Isabella what you are really hearing is probably
>demons speaking in an attempt to get you to curse Christ. Be careful; even
>if the space people appear to be angels, it is very likely that they
>are really demons in the guise of angels. DO NOT FALL DOWN AND WORSHIP
>THEM--no real angel would ask such a thing.
>


Well what you say may very well be true if you can PROVE that your
religion is better than anyone else's. Can you prove anything in
Genesis? 

Believing they are aliens is just as much an act of faith as
believeing they are demons or devils.

john



-- 
John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __	
jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu         /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
                                           \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
  Back off man, I'm a Scientist!            \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Subject: Re: Judging John Winston
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:15:09 GMT

patb@bnr.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan) writes:
>
>John, like the rest of us, is on his own individual path. He incarnated with
>his present personality to learn certain things. Behaving the way he does 
>will, I hope, teach him these things. The rest of us have probably behaved in 
>similar ways in previous lives for our own learning.
>
>To think ill of people is to look at things
>from a superficial third dimensional
>viewpoint. You miss the point completely; it's all a cosmic drama - the Dance 
>of Life. You're in it, I'm in it, Mother Theresa, Saddam Hussein, the Ascended 
>Masters, the Earth, the Milky Way and so on. We're all going in the same
>direction, all part of the Oneness. Judgement only exists in duality 
>and duality is an illusion.
>
>	Pat

That's it!
I also have to admit that John does always seem to have a sense of
humor and a positive attitude, which is more than can be said for
other people who post here -me included. God, among other things,
is also the Supreme Humorist. Maybe God is using John as an instrument
to say to us in this group, hey guys, stop being serious for awhile,
lighten up. 

--------------------------------------------------------------
|    Jeff Chance                       | That to which you   |
|    Dept. of Chemistry                | give your attention |
|    McGill University, Montreal       | becomes stronger in |
|    MAIL: jeffjc@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca | your life.          |
--------------------------------------------------------------
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Tunnels #1.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 06:52:36 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: Tunnels. 
  About 5 years ago a sugar cane cutter down in Puerto 
Rico found a tunnel near the city of Mayaquez. Since that
time a person by the name of Wesley Blume and some
scientist have been checking it out. 
  It seems they have discovered  an undersea tunnel between
Puerto Rico and Spain, which they believe connected the 
fabled continent of Atlantis and Europe 10,000 years ago. 
The 3,000 mile-long tunnel begins on the west coast of 
Puerto and emerges in the Pyrenees Mountains, in the
northern Spain. 
  Wesley Blume has led a team through the tunnel this summer. 
It's about 90 feet wide and 60 feet high, with walls  as smooth
as glass yet pliable as rubber. 
  The walls radiate a greenish yellow light with not appaarent 
power source.
  The air remains breathable and the pressure is constant even 
five miles below the surface. 
  The walls radiate a greenish yellow light with no apparent 
power source.
  The tunnel is not a freak of mature. It was made by intellignet
beings. It is very, very old and could date back to at least 
40,000 years ago.  It  is incredibly strong yet capable of bend-
ing and twisting with the shifting of the Earth's crust.
  Blume , Borovy and the five other members of the interna-
tional team believe the tunnel may be a remnant of the legendary
lost continent of Atlantis.
  It was part of a vast network of such tunnels connecting the 
mid-Atlantic continent with the rest of the planet. 
  The vast distances were probably covered by high speed ve-
hicles powered by electricity, nuclear energy, or sound.
  Borovy says the tunnel dips deep into the Earth, running under
the ocan at depths of five to ten miles.
  Two years ago, Blume led a small group into the cavern to 
explore  the tunnels radiating form it. One of the tunnels led them
two miles into the earth before they realized there was something 
special about it. Blume put together the current team last year to 
explore the tremendous tunnel more closely, taking along a Land
Rover and an ample supply of gasoline.
  It took the seven-man group 17 days to make the trip between
Mayaguez and the Pyrenees. 
   Blume and the other members of the international team hope to 
study the tunnel more this spring. There are other tunnels which 
we believe lead to other parts of the earth. The cavern seems to 
have been a sort of Grand Central Station for Atlantis or whoever 
built the tunnel.
  So there you have it folks. Is it true? Is it false? Is it food for 
thought? 
Source of Information:Secember 15, 1992-Sun-23
End Part 1.
John Winston
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Skeptic's UFO. Part 3.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:27:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Ones: I appreciate you people putting up with me.
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:20:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: As best I can remember the frequency to listen on at 
lake Isabella for the space people going to Groom Lake is about 127. mc
AM. They probubly move it around a little from that stop though.
John  Winston. Maybe I'll ask a friend of mine. 
John Winston.
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 18:42:09 EST
From: Solipsist at Large <IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: No laughing matter.
 <70999@cup.portal.com> <BywuMA.Btr@acsu.buffalo.edu>
 <1992Dec7.232253.16809@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
 <1g23g5INN6la@pms706.pms.ford.com> <1992Dec8.135606.1515@athena.mit.edu>



dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch) writes:
>In article <1g23g5INN6la@pms706.pms.ford.com>, ekimmina@pms001.pms.ford.com
>(Eric Kimminau) writes:
>|>
>|> |> 2. Have you considered sending mail to his sysadmin?
>|> |>
>|> |> % mail root@hell.edu
>                  ^^^^^^^^
>|> |> Subject: Satan is bothering me
>|> |>
>
>What makes you think that hell is an edu site? I think that the correct
>e-mail adress is root@9th_circle.hell :)
>
>Daniel Silevitch                             dmsilev@athena.mit.edu
>Massachusetts Institute of Technology

What -- haven't you ever visited the MIT Grad School?  Or *any*
Grad School?

The Devil is real...and he's on your Dissertation Committee....
--
Eric Alfred Burns                        "Life is full of decisions
Solipsist at Large                        but you never get to make any."
"It's all in your mind"
IK20001@maine.maine.edu                           --Linus Van Pelt
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tunnels #1.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:24:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71604@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec14.223349.22014@pony.Ingres.COM>

Dear Folk: Without  a doubt things are going according to plan.
John Winston
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
	<1gl8haINNecu@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:00:52 GMT


In article <1gl8haINNecu@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders) writes:
>                                                               Does that mean
> you are a humanitarian? 

	Well, you know, if vegetarians eat vegetables, what do
humanitarians eat?

> Jason "Wolverine" Saunders
> By the way, I come from Coventry in England.

	I come from Amherst, Massachusetts in the states.  Or maybe
that's Fitchburg, MA.  Or it could be Cumberland, RI.  Then again, it
might be Storrs, CT (or Brookfield, CT for that matter).  Or possibly
New York City.  Depends on whom you talk to.

--
Tig Stone
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)

Oh, the answer is "humanitables".
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