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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: NBC from Africa
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:15:30 GMT

In article <1egq8gINNro1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bk577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jane Bires Jiumaleh) writes:
>
>If you want to respond to NBC regarding the Today Show from
>Africa, write or call:
>The Today Show
>30 Rockefeller Plaza
>New York, NY 
>zip 10112
>Phone:  212 664 4249

the number i got was 212.664.4444 but that was a switchboard number.  i
thought the series was great! really interesting and informative.  for
those who wish to obtain a vhs copy of "today in africa" you can call:
212.664.3499 to get instructions.  i did, and what the recorded message
says is that you should send a written request to:

	nbc news archives
	room 902
	30 rockefeller plaza
	new york ny 10112

the message didn't give any info on cost.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: fingering
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:29:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:36:02 GMT

In article <1471700264@igc.apc.org> Jim Rosenfield, jnr@igc.apc.org
writes:
>could you please say exactly what you mean by "fingering" please?

For those who don't have UNIX systems: finger is a UNIX command that works
over a network, which reports details the system keeps of a given user's
"real" name, plus whatever else may be recorded (can include such details
as office number, phone number(s) and a file called .plan).
--
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Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Star Editorial
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:00:17 GMT

In article <cscoging.28.722360607@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za> cscoging@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Chris Scogings) writes:

>NO! NO! 
>
>You must not applaud the people at the Weekly Mail.  They are mainly white
>South Africans and ALL white South Africans are boers, racists, liars, etc
>(ask Makala, he knows this)

You are obviously beginning to get it, my dear Chris..:-)

>Never try to teach a pig to sing
>It wastes your time and annoys the pig
>                               - Robert Heinlein

Melikes your sig. It's severely cruel to annoy an innocent pig....



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: fingering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:02:38 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
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philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) writes:

[caring warmhearted tender feeling regrettably deleted]

No need to worry Philip, you're not boring us or anything.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 17:26:44 GMT

Thus spake adavies@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Anthony Davies):

> Now it has plumbed the depths, however - I find myself agreeing with remarks 
> from Gavan Tredoux.

Touche!
 
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 Box 12475, Onderstepoort, 0110 South Africa         +27-12-5611879

 "Standards are great -- everyone should have one" (Kent Landfield)
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Posting language
Date: 19 Nov 1992 09:27:44 +0200
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <NT0SBQKC@cc.swarthmore.edu>,
imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng) writes:
> share the info in a language that all people can understand that wy it
> becomes power, not a source of aggravation.

I agree.  If you want to post something that works only in another
language (such as a joke), please try to post an English translation
as well.

--apb (Alan Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Subject: Re: TODAY IN AFRICA.
Reply-To: gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:02:11 GMT

faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
>If possible, all the
>countries should receive some attention. 

I quite agree.

>I'm tired of everyone I meet
>thinking I'm either South African (because of apartheid), Ethiopian ...

As a South African living abroad for quite some time, I was surprised how
ignorant people were about Africa.  Someone would ask "From where are you?"
and I would cringe internally and say "South Africa" and they would ask
"Oh, how interesting, where in Africa are you from?" and I would think
"dhu!".  After explaining "the southern tip of Africa", they might say "You
know, I once met someone from Africa, I think it was Nigeria.  His name 
is ..., do yo know him?"  Aaaargh!

Most North Americans think of Africa as one country - just as they
think of North America as one country (and now and then they might concede
there are a few snow-bound Canadians to the north :-)
-- 
Riel Smit,  Computer Science                              gds@cs.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town                      gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: cscoging@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Chris Scogings)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:35:11 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, UNP
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc092.cc.unp.ac.za

Paul M Mweene (who else) writes:

>>Note racist labelling of people as boers. 
>>Gavan Tredoux

>There is no racism in this. Boer is a Dutch (Afrikaans) word meaning farmer
>given to the boers by themselves.

Many of the white South Africans who post here are not Dutch or Afrikaans or
farmers.  They certainly do not call themselves boers.  The general use of
boer for all white South Africans is racist.  Would you call Joe Slovo a 
boer?  He is a white South African? 

Never try to teach a pig to sing
It wastes your time and annoys the pig
                               - Robert Heinlein
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Linda's Killfile (was Re: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson))
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:37:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Nov16.163753.17808
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

sunny@mo.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo) writes:
>Thus spake linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson) in Article
> <1992Nov12.130026.4548@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>:
>>I don't hate you or anybody else. Your blind hatred of us serves no
>>constructive purpose on this group, and I'm taking myself out of its
>>range.
>
>Too bad, she was very articulate and sounded sincere in her last two notes.
>I am sure that if she is sincere about finding solutions she will hang tough.
>[...]
>
>Mr. Mweene has done a good job of challenging some of these statements.  Take 
>his recommendations constructively.  

I don't remember Mr Mweene making any recommendations except that whites
should stop posting here.  Not particularly constructive, IMO.  And where
does that fit in with "hanging tough"?


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Heidi de Wet                                 >>>  FREE  TSAFENDAS  <<<
heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za                       and give him back his job
From: ieh@eng.cam.ac.uk (I.E. Hopley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Aur Revoir Linda Jacobson
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:58:56 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes, in reply to Linda Jacobson:

>.....And because my crimes
>were to agitate for Africans in South Africa to be allowed to post on the 
>net and for foreigners to keep out of our culture, I now have this dubious 
>honor of being 'killed' by this person.

Actually, those were not the "crimes" you were accused of.  The points
raised by Linda Jacobson were more along the lines of tolerance and 
truth (and your lack of both) - which you have not commented on.  

I have read your postings with ever-increasing pity.  I judge people by
their behaviour (hence my pity for you) not the colour of their skins
/ background / religion etc.  I have lived with racism, bigotry and
intolerance long enough to recognise it with ease.  You reek of it.
Worse still, you are proud of it.

Ingrid

======================== 
Ingrid Hopley  ;-)
    Cambridge University
========================
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Posting language (was Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana!)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Nov23.160844.21546
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

nrswart@phonon.uwaterloo.ca (Nicholas R. Swart) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.085750.811@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet) writes:
>>9027882@sunvax.sun.ac.za writes:
>>>Ek weet dat Engels die Usenet taal is, maar aangesien hierdie 'n
>>>soc.* groep is, dink ek dis geregverdig om in 'n "soc.african" taal
>>>te skryf.  Wat is die gevoel van andere?

[Translation: I know English is the Usenet language, but since this is
a soc.* group, I think it's (appropriate?) to write in a "soc.african"
language.  What do others feel?]

>>By posting in Afrikaans you are automatically excluding a large portion
>>of s.c.a readers from understanding your post - I would guess, the
>>majority of readers.  I don't think it's very polite.  On the other hand,
>
>Oh give me a break! If people want to post in Afrikaans let them. Who are you
>to decide what language they should speak?? And in case you're wondering, I
>don't undestand a word of Afrikaans.
>
>>English is at least a second language for most Usenet readers, and most
>>people are tolerant of errors in spelling, grammar etc.
>
>I wouldn't call much of what I read here English.
>
>>Why not set up a soc.culture or sanet group specifically for posting
>>in Afrikaans?  (sanet.* gets pretty wide propagation these days, I 
>>believe :-)
>
>Well why not set up a newsgroup where you can moan about those speaking
>Afrikaans.  That way we won't have to listen to you.

Oh, dear.  I'm sorry if that sounded like a flame; it was in reply to
a request for opinions, and the suggestion of a new group was intended
to be constructive.

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From: bk577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jane Bires Jiumaleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Six U.S. Representatives visit Somalia
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:51:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Action for Somalia
 
The six U.S. congresspeople just back from Somalia are:
 
       John Lewis (Georgia)
       Butler Derrick (South Carolina)
       Donald Payne (New Jersey)
       Barbara Rose Collins (Michigan)
       Enifaleo Mavaega (American Samoa)
       Bill Emerson (Missouri)
 
Please contact them (especially if they represent you)
to tell them of your interest in aid for Somalia.  Remember
that relief operations are now stalled as the warlords won't
let the food, already bought and paid for, into the harbor
at Mogadishu.
 
If someone has addresses for these representatives, please
post them.
 
John LEwis met with Bill Clinton to brief him today.  On
Friday, when he returned from Somalia he called the tragedy
there "possibly the worst in history."  He was particularly
shocked at all the guns he saw in the hands of teenagers.
 
To write Rep. Lewis:
 
        Representative John Lewis
        329 Cannon Office Bldg.
        Washington, DC  20515
 
Or call Deb Spielberg (she accompanied the group to Somalia)
in Rep. Lewis's office at:  202 225-3801.  The kind of aid
these representatives want to provide SOmalia is going to take
some arm-twisiting in Washington.  Please support their efforts.
 
Jane Jiumaleh
BIRES@wisplan.uwex.edu
From: chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: South African Expression
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:57:20 GMT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US

> 	Today while listening to a report on the social and political
> turmoil in South Africa I heard the reporter use a word which 
> according to him literally meant "meeting in the bush".
> (In the context of a meeting between the ANC and the Government)

> 	It sounded very similar to the native American POWWOW and 
> appeared to be a popular expression in South Africa.  I do not 
> know if the word is afrikaans but it sounded local to South Africa.
> I have forgotten the word and  would like someone to help me out.

I heard Anton Harber being interviewed on NPR using the term 'bosberaad',
which is literally 'bush meeting'. Pronounced similar to 'boss burr art'.
As that doesn't sound much like POWWOW to me, maybe you heard another term.

Chris
From: sunny@mo.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:00:26 GMT
Followup-To: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693

Thus spake linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson) in Article
 <1992Nov12.130026.4548@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>:

>I don't hate you or anybody else. Your blind hatred of us serves no
>constructive purpose on this group, and I'm taking myself out of its
>range.
>
>Linda

Too bad, she was very articulate and sounded sincere in her last two notes.
I am sure that if she is sincere about finding solutions she will hang tough.
Mandela did.  Steve Biko and many others paid with their lives.  Its a tough
world out there.

From Mweene's postings, I don't think that he hated L. Jacobson or for that
matter anyone else.  I agree with him that many South Africans (note the
qualifier - many) that post in this newsgroup are ignorant of African cultures.
Thus I am NOT suprised that they say what they say; they are victims of many
years of Apartheid education (read: brainwashing).  Even then, I will not stand
by and watch them make a caricature and outlandish statements about my culture.

Mr. Mweene has done a good job of challenging some of these statements.  Take 
his recommendations constructively.  I hope you take mine constructively.

-Sunny
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:ANGOLA: ''WE ARE NOT A PORTUGUESE COLONY,'' SAVIMBI SAYS.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:41:20 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Europe, western
Title: ANGOLA: ''WE ARE NOT A PORTUGUESE COLONY,'' SAVIMBI SAYS.


lisbon, nov 13 (ips) -- angola ''is no longer a portuguese
colony, but an independent country,'' according to a complete
transcript of unita leader jonas savimbi's thursday declarations,
broadcast on portuguese radio friday.

savimbi set off a diplomatic fire-storm thursday, accusing
portuguese prime minister anibal cavaco e silva and foreign
minister jose manuel durao barroso of ''wanting war in angola.''

in the complete text, the unita (national union for the total
independence of angola) leader accused the two portuguese
ministers of encouraging war in order ''to sell uniforms and
armoured vehicles.''

''if portugal continues to look upon angola as a colony, the
angolan people will not accept the (40,000) portuguese residents
(in angola), and the guilty ones will be cavaco e silva and
barroso,'' savimbi said.

savimbi said that ''portugal and angola must necessarily have
initimate relations, with mutual respect, and no behind the back
manoeuvres.''

while harshly criticising cavaco e silva and barroso, savimbi
had high praise for portuguese president mario soares, ''a real
friend of angola.''

however, the portuguese president rejected savimbi's praise,
saying ''there are certain foolish remarks that do not merit a
reply.''

soares supported his prime and foreign ministers and said that
lisbon ''has one single voice in international relations.''

in his radio address, savimbi said he asked the united
nations to ''replace portugal'' within the group of three
guarantor nations for the angolan peace process.

unita information minister jorge valentim later explained that
savimbi also requested the replacement of the other two member
nations -- the united states and russia.

valentim said that unita ''totally and unconditionally
supports the united nations (peace) plan'' which seeks to end 16
years of civil war between the rebel group and the ruling popular
movement for the liberation of angola (mpla).

however, savimbi rejected his sep. 29-30 electoral defeat to
mpla and president jose eduardo dos santos, despite international
monitoring and approval of the election process.
(more/ips)
----


angola: ''we (2)

moreover, following weeks of heavy fighting in the capital
city and throughout the countryside, unita appears to be
gathering troops around luanda in preparation for an imminent
offensive.

within this context, observers have termed savimbi's comments
''decisive and disturbing'' and directly in opposition to any
progress towards peace that has been made in the past several
days. (end/ips/trd/so/md/ego/eli/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: irfan@wiener.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan)
Subject: DROPLET VOL 1, NO 3, PART 2
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:57:29 CST

DROPLET  VOL 1, No 3, Part 2
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D R O P L E T
From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an

Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman
Said Nursi, 

The Risale-i Noor

VOL 1, No 3, Part 2
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The Introduction addresses two points with the following topics:
[First] briefly explains one of the spiritual benefits and the
vital results of the belief in the hereafter out of many.
[Second] shows how much important believing in the hereafter is
for human life, especially for a healthy society. It shortly
presents one detailed proof of the belief in the hereafter out
of many, and further shows that such a belief is so much evident
and far from any doubt.

	The First Point: The belief in the hereafter is the most
essential element in the lives of individuals and the society.
It is also fundamental to their true perfection and happiness.
For this, out of hundred proofs, we will indicate only four
examples.

First Example: Almost a quarter of the population consists of
children. Only through the idea of Paradise, they can only stand
still against the deaths [of whom they love] which seem to them
as dreadful and painful events, and can feel a spiritual power
in their rather fragile and delicate bodies. Only with the idea
of Heaven, they can find a hope towards the happy life in their
not- withstanding souls, which cry quickly from every sad thing.
For example, as a result of the belief in Paradise, he would
say, "My small brother or friend died; however, he became like a
bird in paradise, has been flying ever since, and living there
much better than us."  Otherwise, the strength and spirit of
these weak and poor children would be destroyed each time they
observe the deaths of other children and beloved ones.  Along
with their eyes, their souls, hearts, mind, and even the most
inner faculties would cry so devastatingly that they either
would perish or become like pitiful animals.  (to be continued)
TRUE  DUTIES  IN   THIS   LIFE
                  
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To be continued In$a Allah.
Your Br. Irfan in Islam.
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:56:29 GMT
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <1992Nov18.201333.5643@sunvax.sun.ac.za>,
ferr@cs.sun.ac.za <Johan Ferreira> writes (and I translate):
> Ek weet dat Engels die Usenet      > I know that English is the
> taal is, maar aangesien            > language of Usenet, but since
> hierdie 'n soc.* groep is,         > this is a soc.* group, I think
> dink ek dis geregverdig om in      > it's justified to write in a
> 'n "soc.african" taal te skryf.    > "soc.african" language.  How do
> Wat is die gevoel van andere?      > others feel?

Ja, dit is geregverdig om in 'n      Yes, it is justified to write in
ander taal te skryf, maar ek dink    another language, but I think that,
dat, as jy Engels ook kan skryf,     if you can also write in English,
dit sou beter wees as jy 'n          it would be better if you gave an
Engelse vertaling ook sou gee.       English translation as well.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Re: African women and Education(TODAY IN AFRICA)
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:40:59 GMT

I was just wondering how prevelant the practice of educating boys and
not girls still is in Africa.  Since the previous statement is as
general as it is dumb; I thought it would be an interesting idea to
have a response from as wide a variety of people as to get a good feel
of the progress or lack thereof in different countries.

Cheers,
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