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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: astral travel
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:17:17 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

--lay aside the ordinary physical body (the one that supports the clothes)
and travel anywhere, even beyond the Earth, in the astral form. Everyone
does astral travelling, even the ones who think it is "all nonsense"!
It is as natural as breathing. Most people do it when they are asleep
and so, unless they are trained, they know nothing about it. Many times
dieing people visit alive people by astral travel to tell them they have
past over and to let their friend know that they now are OK on the other
side. That's all for now.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Linesj
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:35:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <62582@cup.portal.com> <+6fmdv@lynx.unm.edu> <62611@cup.portal.com>

--the Goddess and other planets and other constellations that she speaks
to, so when you are looking at these two barbells which are symbolical
of these particular configurations and you have two parallel lines that
are very close together and usually on either side of these circles,
these little parallel lines indicate the {specific} transformation doorways
for the earth and her conciousness. End of Part 3.
John Winston.
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: ***Good_Luck_for_Your_Astral_Convey***
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:43:07 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland


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>>                                                                           >>
>>	Dear Alexi,                                                          >>
>>                                                                           >>
>>	Good luck for your Astral Convey Experiment. I hope it will goes     >>
>>	perfectly and successly.                                             >>
>>	                                                                     >>
>>	Hope you can find that Crystal Star on X-1367 gallexy. But  take     >>
>>      care of the black hole on your way...                                >>
>>						---Captain. of Starshuttle   >>
>>						                             >>
>>						   John. K. Hillman          >>
>>                                                                           >>
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>>                                                                           >>
>>	Excuse me this is a short paragraph translated into English.         >>
>>                                                                           >>
>>	The original resource is found from The ruins of  UFO craft.         >>
>>                                                                           >>
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From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: astral travel
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:01:44 GMT
Followup-To: alt.aliens.visitors
Organization: AT&T

In article <62637@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Len. If you would learn to use these gifts such as telepathy
> astral projection and a few others then no one would be able to lie
> to you.  Everyone would be an open book for you to read.
> John Winston.

You could work in the president's cabinet to weed out liars, cheats,
frauds, and weazels. You could save this country!
You could work for Judges, Lawyers, why even the RTC!

Aw who am i kidding, John would be God.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Fortify
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:45:42 GMT

In article <33041.2109215678@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton) writes:
> mathew@mantis.co.uk(mathew) 27 Jul 92 12:27:42 types-
>>So you'd get people asking what Forteana are & who Charles Fort was.
> 
> I,ve long wondered is he from where the word "forte " comes from?.
> 
> *************************                                          
> ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY
> OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
> TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL?
> *************************


I read this group with some amusement, dismay, and interest, but have not
posted before.  No, "forte" is not from Charles Fort.  It is from old french,
"forte" meaning strong.  Dictionaries are not difficult to use.

or was there supposed to be a :-) on that message?

P.S.  I agree with Mr. Beckwith.  Mr. Winston should refrain from posting
personal e-mail on the net.


Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: WIR's [Was MIB]
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:35:17 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul22.133814.16273@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) writes:
> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Jul21.022007.4543@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
> >rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch) writes:
> >I'd suggest you watch the movie: The Thin Blue Line, wherein we learn
> >that the famous LIR was actually a LIO (Lady in Orange).
> 
> <<<* Hey I really dig the sense of humour that this group seems to be developing     "No maam...we're musicians"
>      UFO's are *serious* business but you gotta laugh...least I do.
> 
Yes, I agree. I like to have fun sometimes-please no offense to the
really,really serious buffs out there:-)

barry--
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What the hell is a ley line??
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:32:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <62393@cup.portal.com>

If all goes well, I plan to be in Malibu, caif. in the parking lot,
at a litte after 900 AM, Sunday the 26th of July, by the Michael
Landon Memorial Community Center.  Robert Stanley plans to pick me up 
there and we're going on one of his all day tours to the ruins of the 
ancient city.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: timpson@nntpd2.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
Subject: Re: Artsy MIBs and Alien MIBs
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:48:33 GMT


In article <62546@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>I don't think so Joe.  I'll have to admit sometimes not knowing 
>about a particular problem and not doing anything about it can 
>often be a good method of keeping you out of trouble.
>John Winston.


        Dear John

        Would it be possible for you to stop cluttering the networks with
        your  personal messages.    This  is  incredibly  irritating  not
        mention that it violates network etticute.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: A question for John_-_Winston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:54:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Well I give up. Nobody seems to know who Hassan B. Multu is. Can 
someone  please help me out?
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Get Off John's Back Please!
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:11:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <35209.2129210296@kcbbs.gen.nz>

Dear Follow Earth Beings:
I still have no time to post. I was taken on a tour of Channel 9 PBS
TVs new facility last evening (in San Francisco).
John Winston. 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: NASA's Block of Ice!
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:25:01 GMT

rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
: I also have a question for you folks DOWN UNDER.(That's AUSTRAILIA for
: those of you who don't know where down under is.) I recall that about 3-4
: years ago that
: an egg shaped craft buzzed a family in a car on some highway down there. As
: I recall there was some material released by the craft & it was retrieved
: by the occupants of the vehicle. The material was brought in for analysis &
: that was the last I ever heard about it. I think a fishing boat offshore
: also reported
: seeing the craft about an hour later. There was quite a bit of news on the
: incident back then, but as most  news stories go , the press never really
: follows up. 

If the "incident" you refer to was the ufo that buzzed a car driving across
the Simpson desert (could have been the Nullarbor) then sorry, that turned
out to be a hoax. I remember just after, an ad appeared in the paper for
something or other (might have been car insurance?) featuring a ufo landing
on a car, with the caption "This wouldn't have happened if you'd had <blah
blah blah>".

Steve.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Abduction case
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:25:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul19.022329.22455@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> wilbur@oyster.cps.msu.edu (Brick Wilbur) writes:
>I talked to a leading researcher two weeks ago, and he informed me about the
>abduction case that happened in New York.  Someone posted that case earlier.
>
>The incident was witnessed by all those people who were on the Brooklyn Bridge,
>and by the people who were below (on the street ).
>
>The VERY high ranking official was not disclosed to me.  I was told, however, that
>the official's Secret Service agents witnessed these happenings.  It was these
>agents that contacted Bud Hopkins.  
>
>The incident happened in 1989, and this official has not made up his mind yet
>as to whether he will disclose what he witnessed.  
>
>My source personally knows just about every UFO researcher, and was one of the
>key people in organizing the conference at MIT a month ago.
>
>He an about 7 other researchers have been specifically doing MASSIVE research
>on the Roswel crash.  They have uncovered many things that have never been
>uncovered before.

   Talk is cheap.   But frankly we've been hearing this kind of stuff
   for decades now and nobody has ever provided any tangible evidence.

   How would Mr. Wilbur like it if I claimed that I have secret information
   that absolutely proves that he's making this all up due to some basic
   mental instability and that I've talked to doctors and other specialists
   who can confirm his condition, but at the moment choose not to do so?
        
   I say put up or shut up.
                           

---peter

   
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Is Bigfoot a Visitor?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:57:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul23.233900.28968@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>
>What happened next was one of a few strange things that has happened to me
>in my life.I'm not sure exactly what time it was but it was pre-sunrise(you
>know when the sun has not come up over the horizen but the light begins to
>dominate over  the darkness.Well like I said , I never wake up but that
>morning I woke out of a dead sleep & sat strait UP! Looked out of the
>screen door to see to my amazement
>7-10' creature standing about 5-6' away......staring at me.I could not
>really see its eyes but it was apparently facing my direction. I then
>rubbed my eyes violently & took a second look.....HOLY SHIT this thing is
>still standing there motionless.Boy the butterflies in my stomach felt like
>bats racing through my innards,man was I scared.I could see the outline of
>hair all over its body,(like Chewbacca from Star Wars)except for its legs.
>The legs were covered with 
>scales/plates or body armor type stuff,it was not light enough to get a
>real 
>good look at it..too strange. I then after about what seemed like forever
>(probably more like 30 seconds) I turned to my X and tried to wake her up
>to see this thing. She would not wake up & I shook her pretty good. Finally
>she came around but she was really groggy. I then turned back around to
>show her this thing but it was G-O-N-E. No sound of footsteps or
>anything....just gone. My X was not to happy that I woke her up & went back
>to sleep. I ,on the other had was pretty shook up. I didn't like the idea
>that a BIG critter could just materialize in our campsite & then just
>vanish. I never got the feeling it was trying to communicate with me or
>anything like that. I did not get up to go & check it out,,which was
>strange cause normally I am a curious person.I finally made it back to
>sleep.What a night!!

A classic description of a hypnogogic (or is is hypnopompic?) vision,
a hallucination that occurs at the boundary between sleep and wakefulness.
Sometimes the visions of the dream state and the background of the
wakeful state become superimposed, for just a few seconds. Relax,
you're perfectly normal - plenty of people have had experiences like this.

I think that a lot of the "night abductors" are visions of this same
sort. The mind provides the scary image, prompting the viewer to contact
Budd Hopkins, and he "leads" them to fill in the rest.

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: Supraluminal v (was Re: Elapsed Time near c )
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:52:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <v1gm!++@lynx.unm.edu> cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.080318.25996@fys.ruu.nl> spiering@fys.ruu.nl (Geert Spiering) writes:
>>I hope this adds to the discussion, but since everyone keeps repeating
>>the statement that nothing can travel faster than light, i would like
>
>Hmm, what velocity do photons travel at?  I think you mean to say
>that nothing with a rest mass can travel at c.

Opps, scratch that statement I apparently can't read, and also to save
everyone else the bother I'll go ahead and flame myself:
You stupid, blithering, idiot; CAN'T YOU EVEN READ YOUR NATIVE TONGUE!

Ithlial





Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: c9109149@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:24:39 GMT

Here's a way that zeta reticuli system was seeded by aliens.

	First they had to make the planet survivable for the bipedal
humanoid zete boys. To do this they 'terraformed' the planet step by step.
First they formed basic stuff like water then dropped in some algae tablets
and pretty soon the waters teemed with oxygen creating lifeforms.
A few gene manipuluations later and a basic ecosystem developed. Then it was
time to build up to the soil and mass carboniferous stuff that would support
the zetis. For this, large (huge) amounts of carbon based organic material
had to be shifted, complex vitamins and organic molecular shapes had to be
mass produced so they sent in the DINOSAURS, those massive organic machines.
In no time at all, wham! Time for more useful , sentient, emotional life
to be sent in to play and so the zeti fellows grabbed a few thousand years
to get to grips with life as they new it, made contact and now they are 
spying on us.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: WIR's [Was MIB]
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.022007.4543@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch) writes:
 
>Has anyone been followed by WIR's [Women in Red]? Were you wearing Obsession
>or Old Spice?
 
They have this trick where they ask you to hold a twenty dollar bill in
your hand. Then they take the money and hold it in their hand. I'm not sure
what happens next but some men apparently undergo bizzare changes, some
leaving piles of sticky goo on the ground.
 
Enough comedy...
 
You mean LIRs (Ladies in Red)?
I'd suggest you watch the movie: The Thin Blue Line, wherein we learn
that the famous LIR was actually a LIO (Lady in Orange).
 
Just my $0.01
 
--E
From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Men In Black (mib)
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:32:27 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada

In article <139288.2A6C8CC9@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
|> 
|>  >         From what I understand UFO cases from Belgium are unique.  This
|>  > is
|>  >         due to the recent government decision by that country to
|>  > disclose all
|>  >         infromation on UFO's.  Thus, there may well be just as many UFO
|>  > cases
|>  >         in neighboring countries, but they are unreported by witnesses
|>  > and
|>  >         respective governments.  Also, Belgium's government has even set
|>  >
|>  >         aside jets to search out UFO's that appear on radar.  This is a
|>  > most
|>  >         exciting development, and hopefully other governments will
|>  > follow
|>  >         in suit ;)
|> 
|> Actually, the Belgian case, from what I know, is the most important UFO event 
|> in history because it is the first time that there has been a cooperative 
|> effort at research between a government and a civilian scientific research 
|> group.
|> 
|> Mike
|> 
[sig deleted]


I'm wearing my "cynic hat" now.


If the Belgian government thought the UFOs were some kind of secret
American aircraft being tested (illegally) over their country, I would 
expect them to "threaten" the Americans by allowing the *public* release 
of *any* information they find out about the objects.


Now I'm taking off my "cynic hat."

(hmmm.. where did I leave my "skeptic funny-nose-and-glasses" ;^)


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:15:06 EET
From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Stealth Manuscript
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:40:47 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

> "Booksellers are grinding their teeth over several big Ross Perot books
> that have been cancelled on the eve of publication.  BUT SOMETHING BIGGER
> MAY BE COMING SOON (my emphasis).  Putnam is preparing to ship more than
> 100,000 copies of a supersecret book in late August.  The publisher is
> keeping both the subject and the author completely confidential.  According
> to buyers for the major chains, Putnam executives have been whispering that
> it is a biography of a major Washington official that contains information
> so explosive it could cause his or her resignation.  This has prompted a
> guessing game within the industry, but Putnam executives say only
> 'No Comment.'"
> Anticipation will antagonize me until late August!  I certainly hope that
> this will not turn out to be hoax.
 
Sounds interesting, but do you think it involves UFO/Aliens?  When it 
comes out PLEASE leave some information on here.  Even it dosen't involve 
UFOs, it could be a good book (if it's true).
 
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Keywords: Get a clue numb----.
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:58:22 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Jul29.185909.13625@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> mike@selket.austin.ibm.com (Mike Austin) writes:
>
>To hell with a poll, sic the network police on him now!
>
...stuff deleted
>
>I repeat, knock this crap off!  Now!
>
>_____________________________________________________________
>Mike Austin (contractor)   | There is no greater urge than
>IBM Austin, PSPA (AIX IDD) | to change someone else's copy.
>(512) 838-7944             |

Fanning the flames only make them worse.  Besides, is this the
attitude you want people on the net to see?  Is this how IBM
approaches a problem?  Even if he were a complete moron, the only
way you'll change anything is to explain to him what the problem
is and how to change it.  Yelling at him, electronically or
otherwise, isn't going to convince him to fix the problem.
 
Speaking of Ley Lines...  what was the name of the paperbook published
back in the 70's?  I don't have a copy anymore and I'd like to find
one in reasonable shape.  It would help to find the name and the
author.

Also, If anyone in GB has a copy of that article on the Aurora that
was published a few days ago, I sure would like a copy.

Rick

-- 
Rick Pavek                            | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com            |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin                  | It wastes your time           
pavrjg00%ccmail@ada3.ca.boeing.com    |          and annoys the droid.  
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli
Organization: Indiana University
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:45:07 -0500

In article <7697@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin)) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.213112.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>>To heck with how the Pleiadians ships work or how fast they go. HOW DID
>>THEY EVOLVE SO DARN FAST?  The Pleiades are bright young stars still
>>within their nebular cocoon.  They are along the order of millions of
>>years old.  It took life on Earth more than 4 billion years to evolve
>>to the point where it could walk upright, talk, and dream silly dreams.
>>Are the Pleidians child prodigies?  Btw the first prokaryotes didn't
>>evolve here until a billion years or so after the formation of Earth.
>>Thomas Freebairn
> 
> I think the New Age Crystalbabble party line is that the 
> Pleiadians were seeded by an elder race; they did not originally
> evolve in what is now their home system.  

 Yes?

>As for the Pleiades,
> how far away are they?  You would want to add their distance to
> their apparent age (as viewed from Earth) to get the actual age,
> right?  

No.
 
> Also, if evolution is driven in part by genetic mutation caused
> by stellar radiation, can we expect it to "happen faster" in
> binary or trinary star systems?  

Yes and no.
 
> Have I convinced everyone that a liberal arts education
> is truly worthless? :-)> 

Maybe.
 
Thomas Freebairn