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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:19:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BILLMS.92Sep14110831@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <19509@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>
>   Who was he throwing it to on that last one?  The gopher from
>   Caddyshack?  I disagree with the announcers; he wasn't hit until after
>   he had released (or late enough that it didn't affect the path of the
>   ball much). 
>
>Watching the replay by itself, I'd agree with you.  The hit looked to be
>there just a split second after the pass went off.  On the other hand, that
>interception was *so amazingly off target* that I've got to give Grbac some
>credit.  This guy is a *great* college qb.  Even if you don't want to give
>him credit for that (which we can argue about elsewhere) even a mediocre qb
>wouldn't have missed so badly.  Remember, the pass rush was coming from
>behind, so he didn't see it.  Its not like he saw the hit coming, and then
>shied away from it.  
>
Did anybody else out there think that Grbac's first "interception" was not
actually an interception.  The way I see it, this very well could have 
given Michigan a field goal, and the win.  I was kinda surprised that they
didn't keep showing this "catch," because to me it didn't look like he ever
had control of the ball.

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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: national tv schedule
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:42:57 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

ABC will usually be broadcasting 3 games Saturday afternoon 
at 3:30 pm EST. Different regions will receive different games.
Here is a tentative schedule of ABC TV games that will be NATIONALLY
telecast. (not counting pay-per view), as well as NBC's games this fall.


Sep  5  Miami      at Iowa        ABC 8 pm

Sep 12  Michigan   at Notre Dame  NBC 12:35 pm

Sep 19  Notre Dame at Michigan St ABC 3:30 pm

Sep 26  Purdue     at Notre Dame  NBC 12:35 pm

Oct  3  Bill Walsh at Notre Dame  NBC 12:35 pm *

Oct 24  BYU        at Notre Dame  NBC 12:35 pm

Nov  7 Boston Coll at Notre Dame  NBC 12:35 pm

Nov 14 Penn State  at Notre Dame  NBC  1:35 pm

Nov 21 Michigan    at Ohio State  ABC 12:00 pm

Nov 26 Aurburn     at Alabama     ABC  1:00 pm (Thanksgiving)
Nov 27 Nebraska    at Oklahoma    ABC  1:30 pm (A Friday)
Nov 28 Notre Dame  at USC         ABC  8:00 pm

Dec  5       Army-------Navy      ABC 12:00 pm
Dec  5 SEC Championship           ABC  3:30 pm

* Bill Walsh will be forced to play that game at 9:35 am PST. 
Will he be awake for it? 
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Robert Smith/OSU's crushing of Louisville
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:08:42 GMT

david.d.nason writes:

>I thought Herbstreit had a good game - better than you can say for a lot of
>guys.  He had one bad throw that was intercepted and made a bad judgement call
>on the other interception.  Other than that, I really thought he played well,
>and as was pointed out, his stats seem to back this up.

I still am sticking with my observation of Herstreit.  He did very well on 
short dumps and quick outs - ball controll stuff.  but he was out of his 
element when he tried to throw the ball downfield.  That need not be a 
detriment to the team - just ask the kid to do what he does best and not to do 
the things he hasn't the flare for doing.

>I was real dissappointed in the defense.  Maybe it'll take some experience
>in playing the 4-3 before they get better.

I thought it looked like a 4-3 too, but copper was still talking about his 
nose-tackle doing something or another.  Is the defense really a 3-4 with one 
of the outside linebackers desiganted as a rusher?

>I just didn't see much pass rush.

In defense of the Buckeye's defense, much of the pass rush was taken away 
simply by the quickness of Brohm for Louisville.  The pass patterns would 
develop quickly and he got rid of the ball very quickly - especially on 
patterns which crossed through the zone.  Thus, I would say that good coaching 
and discipline eliminated much of the Buckeye's strength up front.  It wasn't 
always the case - Brohm also did a bit of scrambling on certain plays.

>Anyway, the Buckeyes should count their blessings, and use this game as a
>learning tool.  They can start by using it to learn not to take opponents
>too lightly.  That would be a real good lesson to learn this particular week.

If the Buckeyes don't put the Falcons away in the first half, they will find 
themselves in a bigger dogfight than last week.  Bowling Green has a better 
passing attack and has relied on Erik White's leadership to come from behind in
8 of their last 12 victories.  BG also carries the nation's third longest 
winning streak into the game.  Further, the Falcons are a well coached, very 
disciplined team which tends to make them stronger in the fourth quarter than 
many other teams.  Remember the recent bowl game against that other team named 
the Falcons?

     - Pat
.
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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS- Big 10(now 12?) & ATM tickets
Date: 9 Sep 1992 21:26:26 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


Texas in the Big 10?  That's almost too strange to be true.  What's
the point in giving up its current SWC rivalries to go all the way up
to play Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Northwestern?  And 12 teams in the
conference is too many.  

By the way, is it the Big West or the WAC that has added Northern Illinois?

William F. Tell
University of California '92
GO BEARS!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: What happened to Huskies?
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:10:18 GMT

Someone posted that Ed Cunningham is with the Rams.  This is not the case.      Cunningham plays for Phoenix, but I don't know as to wether he is a starter
or not.

I would like to have info on Siupeli Malamala and Donald Jones.

Thank you,

Behzad
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: B8 Preview(9-9-92)
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:07:33 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


For those who like to see other spreads/predictions....

MARSEE 
OU  by 54
KU  by 23
CU  by  4
MU  by -11
ISU by  8

Gupta
CU  by 8
ISU by -1
MU  by -11

National
ISU by -16
CU  by 8
MU  by -14
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Nebraska WOOFings!!??
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:33:43 GMT


I have detected some WOOFings from Nebraska fans about how the BIG RED is gonna
come to Seattle and just beat the Huskies!!  :)

I gotta admit that the gaping holes that the defense allowed against ASU were
not very pretty, but I also do believe that the defense will come together by
6:30 pm come September 19th.

Well, I'll leave it at that and let the teams do the talking on the field...

With regards,

Behzad
"Actions dictate louder than words"







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From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Subject: Crow (was Re: Cal flattens SJSU)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 02:56:31 GMT

dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich) writes:

>The important numbers for the afternoon:

>Cal 		46
>San Jose State	16
>Russell White	216 yards

Oh well -- maybe I *don't* want to see a tape of this one after all!

Since last June, I've been repeating (on occasion) predictions for
three early shockers: the first was SJSU over Cal by 7.  Oh well.
We'll see how I fare next weekend: SJSU over $tanfurd by 14, and
Wisconsin loses to UW by less than 20.

Ich bin ein dufus.


-- 
Mark McKinzie          	|    We just won't eat on Sunday
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu 	|    Got to buy him a limousine
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
From: <HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 14:25:18 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1992Sep11.010109.22182@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu
(Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) says:
>
>As I watch tonight's game (9/10) between San Diego St. and BYU, I
>see that the BYU fans are calling their team the most hated in America.
>Huh?? I can think of 10 or more teams that I hate more than BYU. Just
>what is BYU thinking??? Anyone from BYU care to comment???

In case you didn't catch it, the original appellation of "most hated team
in America" came from a Sports Illustrated article.  The BYU team was
trying to use that as an emotional booster going into last night's
game.

The SI article explains why, at least as one reporter sees it, BYU is
disliked by many opposing teams.

--JMA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowling Green/Louisville, what do they have in common?
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:56:28 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: High risk, low payoff, that's what

In article <1992Sep9.211006.24401@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, kimahone@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kelly I Mahoney) writes:
> Last Saturday, the Cards of Louisville showed the country how porous Ohio 
> State's defense is. Both the pass and rush defenses are weak for OSU. BG's Erik
> White is one hell of a quarterback, and he's got people who can catch the ball 
> in clutch situations. OSU might have a stable of running backs, but BG's run 
> and shoot offense can score in a hurry. Besides, BG is thinking upset while OSU
> is talking about revenge against Syracuse.
>      I'll tell you what Bowling Green and Louisville have in common, both
> will give OSU a fight for their respectability, both have better QBs than
> OSU, both have better coaches, and both have nothing to lose.
> 
> My prediction: BG  35, OSU  28

	Heretic! :)

	BG's defense won't stop OSU, but OSU's defense, as young as it is, can
handle BG.

	OSU will win by about 17 points.

Brett                                                      
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:33:22 EDT
From: Spiro the Spiny Goldfish <MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU
 <92256.185421MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> <68080@hydra.gatech.EDU>

In article <68080@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) says:
>
>MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish) wrote:
>}
>}Typical game against a WAC team, perhaps. Hell, I bet YOU could rush 100
>yards
>}against BYU.
>
>Well golly, I guess we can expect one of the PennHeads to rack up similar
>numbers against BYU this season then, right?  If no Pepsi State players
>can manage a "typical" 299 yard game, they must really suck!

I'd be surprised if team yardage for Pepsi State against BYU isn't higher
than that of SDSU. Paterno likes to spread the wealth around, however, so
I'd be surprised if he let anyone (ESPECIALLY a Heismann candidate) rush for
that many yards, unless the game is really close, which I can't see happening.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: What happened to Huskies?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:49:47 GMT

Ed Cunningham is the Cardinals' starting center.
Malamala was drafted by the Jets and missed at least most of training camp
	because of an injury.  He may be on the IR.
Orlando McKay is on the Packers' IR.
Mario Bailey was cut by the Oilers but re-signed to their practice squad.
Don Jones was cut by the Saints and I don't think he's caught on with anyone.

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mls@unislc.uucp (Michael Simons)
Subject: Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:29:11 GMT

From article <1992Sep14.182227.36527@uvmark.uucp>, by davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks):
[...]
>>IMHO Faulk is a great back but I would like to see him against a top
>>10 defense (not a WAC defense that starts to arm tackle mid-way through
>>the third Quarter).
> 
> How about his 150+ yards against the Miami Hurricanes last year???  Seems to
> me they were one of the nations top 10 defenses.  Have you ever thought about
> the fact that you talk about the WAC defenses (not including USC, nor
> BYU, which may be a WAC team, but was a nationally ranked WAC team) but 
> forget that Faulk has the WAC offensive line to block for him???  If he
> can gain 200+ yards a game with such regularity with such an undersized 
                                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
> front line, imagine what he could do at Penn State!!!  He would be rushing
> for 300+ yards every week!!!
>>
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> uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
> davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"

I wouldn't call SDSU's o-line undersized, one of the guards weighs in at
340 lbs, another at 300 lbs. There are a couple of others in the 280-290 lb
range. Falk has decent blocking up front. I was at the SDSU-BYU game and
was VERY impressed by Falks speed and agility. He gets my vote for the
Heismann. (At least he would if I had one.)

	Mike Simons
	Unisys -- Salt Lake

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:58:44 GMT

Steve Chapin writes:

>Holtz's "I was trying to see the coverage" line doesn't
>wash.

>1) He could have checked the coverage by sending Mirer to
>the line with two passing plays, with instructions to
>audible to the second if Michigan was in an unexpected
>formation, and throw the ball out of bounds if there was any
>doubt.  This would have the side benefit of stopping the
>clock.

Or, should Michigan disguise a zone coverage as man-to-man, Mirer could, 
thinking his primary receiver is in single coverage, throw into the zone and 
give Michigan the ball just beyond the 20 after the interception.

>2) He could have run a draw play from a passing formation.
>Lining up in a definite running formation doesn't tell you
>too much about the other team's pass coverage.
>3) Calling consecutive running plays really points out the
>lie in Holtz's words.  One running play you can almost
>believe.  More than one means that he just plain wasn't
>trying to move the ball, but wanted to run out the clock.

Or he wanted to get a first down so as to limit the possiblities of having to 
punt the ball to a team with three timeouts remaining.  The run is afterall 
Notre Dame's strength.

I don't think Lou Holtz palyed a bad endgame interms of play calling, but both 
he and Gary Moeller mis-managed the clock at the end.  Why didn't Michigan use 
a time out or two to *force* Notre Dame to get the first or to punt?  There was
plenty of time on the clock for a change of possesion and a set up for a filed 
goal attempt by Michigan.  

Or is it okay for Michigan to play for the tie but not so for Notre Dame?  
Chris Collinsworth (interesting choice for color NBC) even said that ti was 
okay should Michigan go home with a tie, but he last thing they wanted to do 
was to give the ball back to Notre Dame and let the powerful Irish offense have 
a chance to win it.  Then, the announcers turned around and said that notre 
dame was "essentially running out the clock" dispite the fact that they had 
pitiful field position and a change of posesion would have been disasterous for 
the Irish.

You make the call.

     - Pat
.
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marsee Computer Rankings and Predictions for 9/12/92
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:34:37 GMT
	<BILLMS.92Sep11165801@z.eecs.umich.edu> <5307@news.duke.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <5307@news.duke.edu> ds4@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:

   comment on other peoples post.....actually it would be pretty stupid.  It
   seems to me as if you are saying that anyone can say whatever they want and no
   one can comment on it.....like if I say my grandmother plays football 

No, thats not at all what I'm saying.  I was saying that the guys who post
computer rankings provide a *service* to this newsgroup for free.  They are
not posting wild ramblings and ad hominem attacks.  And I've always thought
it was pretty childish to flame their rankings.  Discuss them, ask about the
algorithms, point out apparent errors (e.g. like ranking miami #13).  But
flaming them is pretty pathetic.


Bill
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From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: TEXAS- Big 10(now 12?) & ATM tickets
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:03:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

OK, WHAT IS THE REAL DEAL HERE? cmuck are you serious?  If you are I need to
read the Austin paper instead of the Light here in S.A.  If this is no joke
it will definately be a change.  I just wish we'd have our feet on the ground
as far as our football team is concerned.  Time is on our side here.  We WILL
be back to the Cotton Bowl soon, I know it.

Does anybody know how I can get hold of some GOOD UT-ATM tickets?  I know I
can get tix, but I'm getting tired of nosebleed.  All I ask is that they be
between the 20's, lower deck, UT side or student section.  I already hear
fellow Longhorns writing off this years war, not I.  I guarantee a close,
physical game.

"One loss to jackie does not a bad season make."
                        -me


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From: lein@base.base.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Subject: Rutgers Secondary
Reply-To: lein@base.base.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:12:34 GMT

Anyone know what happened to Rutgers Secondary last weekend.  This unit
was being raved as the best in the Big East and one of the top 5 in the
country.  I realize that BC quarterback Foley is good but to pass
for 270+ yards on just 12 completions! - must have been some tired
DB's on the RU squad after that game.

Good thing they don't face Miami's passing attack this year




JOhn L
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: line on A&M-Tulsa game
Keywords: n
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:31:59 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) wrote:

}Anyone out there have the line on the A&M-Tulsa game?

Would you believe Aggies by 21.5?

I think I'll take Tulsa and the points.

-- 
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 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: BYU-SDSU
Organization: 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:29:21 GMT



In article <1992Sep11.122915.19311@wl.com>, wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>       I thought the game last night was incredibly entertaining. 
> Marshall Faulk deserves every award he gets, and probably a few that
> he won't. My question is why can't any team in the WAC play defense
> or is it that the offenses are that much superior. I enjoy to see
> scoring in games but if I watched that league consistently I may 
> become numbed by the whole thing. Any ideas?
> 


Yeah, cool game.

The way I saw it:

Faulk          A+             Wow, he's awesome!
SDSU O-line    B+             They don't get the credit, but do a good job.
SDSU D-line    B+             Were they really that good or does BYU just
                              not know how to pass block???
SDSU Secondary F-             Man, these guys STUNK last night!!!!!


-Steve

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Re: Collingsworth
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:26:35 GMT

In article <16862BD09.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>Where did Chris Collingsworth go to college?  Or did he?

	Could it have been Florida State?
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND vs FSU
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:47:08 GMT
Distribution: usa

Jonathan Marsden writes

+ I often wonder why ND is afraid to play FSU on the road...  The same goes  
for
+ previous powerhouses like Michigan and Nebraska.  Tallahassee isn't
+ that bad of a place.  In any case, ND didn't agree to play the 'Noles in
+ Doak-Campbell Stadium.  Instead, they will be playing in Orlando.

Heat and humidity would take a heavy toll on their players. I'd like
to see UMich come to Tallahassee in September.

But I'd also like to see FSU play up north somewhere in late November,
in a blizzard, at -13F.

James