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Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:16:06 -0500 
From: "Michael B. Miller" <mmcg+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cadet Ranks

In our detatchment, Det. 730  (University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie
Mellon University), Freshmen and Sophomores are given the ranks of Cadet
Fourth Class (C/4C) and Cadet Third Class (C/3C) respectively.  Ranks do
not actually start until after Field Training.


Michael Miller
C/4C, Det. 730 (CMU,Pitt)
AAS Pledge Class 93-2 CC
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: messim2@crockett1a.its.rpi.edu (SoCo)
Subject: Re: New Sec of AF?
Reply-To: messim2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:48:41 GMT

Here are the changes in the top of the chain of command for Air Force ROTC:

Commander in Chief--Honorable William Clinton
Secretary of Defense--Honorable Les Aspin
Secretary of the Air Force--same
Air Force Chief of Staff--same
Commander, ATC--General Henry Vicellio, Jr. (sp?)

Matthew Messinger, c/4C, AFROTC
From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:43:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Yes, almost everyone has gone to rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.  They were
talking about shutting this group down around now, but that was last year. 
I'm not sure what the plans are.  If you can't get rec...drumcorps, but you
can telnet, then drop me some email and I'll tell you about the Cleveland
Freenet.  A way to get all of the posts and the rec...drumcorps group for
free.

If you can, come over to rec..drumcorps.  There's some good discussion
going on over there. 
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: What about changing Finals?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:08:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.174720.28436@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise) writes:
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
>     OF course the TV broadcast would most likely stay the same (probably with 
>Curt Gowdy commentating on his death band "Love that Crocodile"  IT'S A SHARK< 
>CURT!)  But then again things could easily change.  Anyone familar with the 
>Indiana State Band Champs.  would probably favor Class B bands over Class A, 
>for various reasons.


What do you mean by this exactly (Indiana state bands)??  Just wondering




Rob
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)


>
From: dwayne@netcom.com (Dwayne Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: SCV Alumni Membership
Summary: Searching for alumni
Keywords: SCV Alumni
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:41:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I am attempting to contact all Santa Clara Vanguard alumni that have not
joined the alumni association. You may also be interested in joining the
booster club.

Alumni Association Membership
-----------------------------
   You will receive a copy of the Vanguardian (SCV monthly news letter), 
   DCI Today (bimonthly newspaper), Alumni news letter, Booster membership, 
   Show announcements, etc...

   Fees: $20.00   Single membership.
         $30.00   Family membership (two alumni in the same home).
         $15.00   You can receive a Vanguardian subscription only.

Booster Club Memberships
------------------------ 
   You will receive a copy of the Vanguardian, show announcements, etc...

   Fees: $15.00   General or Sustaining member.
         No dues  General working **No Vanguardian.

How to join
-----------    
   You can write to me at dwayne@netcom.com and I will pass the
   information on to the membership chairman. You can also request a
   membership application by writing to:

      SCV Membership
      1795 Space Park Drive
      Santa Clara, CA 95054

If you have not joined your alumni association, booster club or supported 
your corps, shame on you.

I'm also interested in knowing the name of a band or a corps from 
Tonawanda, NY (I think). If you know drop me a line.


Respectfully submitted
Dwayne Brown - SCV drummer (B corps 71, 72) (A corps 73, 74, 77, 78)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:03:57 CST
From: Actor <U30633@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Ten SHUN!


HUP HOO HREE HORE, HUP HOO HREE HORE!!!

*BURP!*

(snicker)

And they all fell down, simultaneously killed by the very IDEA of a drum
corps.

Go figure.
From: 9225978@ul.ie
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: <None>
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:19:25 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Juat decided to add my opinion on the results for 1993:

1. Blue devils : Why? well obviously at this stage of the season when 
                 drills are unknown ,one must look at last years performance
                 and then on previous years and I reckon that the most 
                 impressive record belongs to this corps.I think that 
                 they really have something which attracts them to the winning
                 spot (call it luck if you like...I do) and they'll still
                 be in the running even on the last day.

2. Cavies : It was a close final between these and the Cadets in 1990 (I think)
3. Cadets   and over the past few years they both really have shown their real
            class on the field.I'd opt for Cavies over Cadets in this case
            because the Cavies ,I think ,are the up whereas the cadets are on
            the way down (I'll eat my words if cadets win)
4. SCV : I love this corps style and in years that they hadn't much they still
         had style. My favorite show was either SCV's Karmen or Cadet's Les Mis.
         I just hope that they can rate a top 5 placing 'cause they diserve it.
5. Star : Not my favorite corps but they march real well and I feel that for 
          them it just isn't possible not to make the top 5.
6. Crossman : Who said they couldn't march like a top 5 corp (maybe that's why 
              they're in 6th) I really like this corp.
7. Phantom : I feel as though I actually am one of the few people that like 
             this corp .I think that their very 'square' approach is really neat
             But they do lack they subtlety to make the top 5.
8. Madison : I think that with their recent bad form it will take them a year 
             at least to get themselves together if not longer . They won't make
             the top 5 this year I'd say.
9. Spirit : Taking into account the msg. on spirit's new spirit I reckon they
            won't upset anyone but they'll be just on the brink.
10. VK : If the crowd get any say these guys should be where the devils and the
         cavies  are and not just making the picture.All the same I like this 
         corps and I'd say that they're a fun corps to march with.
11. Blue Knights : I suppose they'll probably make the top 12.I don't see much
                   in them though ,they're rather like the bluecoats.
12. Bluecoats : I guess that I don't think they're good enough to make anything
                better than this ,they somehow were lacking in life the past 
                few years.

This will probably prove totally wrong when I find out all the drills.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Greg Harte           e-mail me at IN%"9225978@ul.ie"          
Baritone           
age out in 97
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Prediction
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:44:56 GMT

In article <1k963qINN760@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:
>
>Spirit...WHAT?!?!?!!?!?!  Spirit is almost a dead program.  They haven't
>made the top 12 since 88 or 89.  They were 14th or 15th last year.  I don't
>care how good a staff they have this year, there is no way they will jump 5
>corps to this placement.  I can't even see them making the top 12.
>

Spirit made 10th or 11th place in 1990 with their Gone With the Wind
and the Color Purple show.  I think 11th.
-- Donald
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: What about changing Finals?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:49:38 GMT

jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise) writes:

>     What if Finals was changed to similar format like that of DCM finals?  
>Meaning, Finals night saw the top 6 (instead of 12) open class corps, and say 
>the top 4 from Division II and III.  Here's the concept...

But why is this done at DCM?  It's because there are only about 8 open
class corps in DCM.  A few years back, when there were 12-14 open class
corps attending DCM every year, they had an 8 or 10 corps final.

I really don't think this is by choice at all.

Later,
Bob

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From: 9225978@ul.ie
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Hello
Date: 20 Jan 93 20:39:03 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Sorry ,but is this folder dead due to the new folders being formed or 
is it just that people have nothing to say?


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Greg Harte           e-mail me at IN%"9225978@ul.ie"          
Baritone           
age out in 97
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:01:59 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <20320.2b5db867@ul.ie> 9225978@ul.ie writes:
>Sorry ,but is this folder dead due to the new folders being formed or 
>is it just that people have nothing to say?
>
>

>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Greg Harte           e-mail me at IN%"9225978@ul.ie"          
>Baritone           
>age out in 97
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


Everyone is over on rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.


Rob
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: PLEASE READ!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:07:15 GMT



Hey there!

If you are a member of a corps or an alumni and you havne't yet sent me your
bio, please do so now.  I am planning on reposting the lists next week

Send me the following:

Name>
Instrument(s)>
Where you March(ed)>
Age out Year>
High School>
College, Year, Major>


Thanks

Rob Dorocke
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise)
Subject: What about changing Finals?
Summary: New ideas
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:47:20 GMT

     First off let me thank those of you out there who knew about times when 
the Semi victor did not repeat in Finals.  However, noting that the last 
instance of this was 1983, it's been a long time (and some may say never in the
"modern era" of drum corps) since anyone has taken Finals after not winning 
Semis.

     Anyhow, here's an idea that's been kicked around more seriously than one 
might think, and by more important people than one might think.

     What if Finals was changed to similar format like that of DCM finals?  
Meaning, Finals night saw the top 6 (instead of 12) open class corps, and say 
the top 4 from Division II and III.  Here's the concept...

     With the financial problems of fielding top open class corps, some people 
are wondering about the feasibility of changing the formats.  So, with the 
above mentioned scenario, a corps that's consistently placing in the lower part
of top 17, let's use Spirit as an example, might think about dropping to Div 
II, where they can compete on a much better level.

     Of course, the rules stay the same, Div II is 90 members or less, and Div 
III 60 members or less (I believe that's the rule).  In the case of a Spirit, 
remember this is TOTALLY hypothetical, Spirit is in no way thinking of this.  
Again in Spirit's case, they can travel with less equipment, maybe even one 
less bus, and save on a fair amount of money in the process.  For what ends 
though?  Why, they might still get to play Saturday night, and above all enjoy 
a better level of competition.

     The ramifications of this can be astounding, Div II, and III could get 
their respective dues, and the levels of excellence in each category couldn't 
help but be increased.  Yes, this has problems for many of the existing smaller
corps, but this could lead to mergers of units that would produce bigger more 
financially sound corps.  And all sorts of other things like that.

     OF course the TV broadcast would most likely stay the same (probably with 
Curt Gowdy commentating on his death band "Love that Crocodile"  IT'S A SHARK< 
CURT!)  But then again things could easily change.  Anyone familar with the 
Indiana State Band Champs.  would probably favor Class B bands over Class A, 
for various reasons.

     With all this talk about drum corps being dead, and let's add reeds and 
such, maybe a shakeup like this could cure that for a few decades.  Then again 
the Cubbies sued over the baseball realignment issue, what would George Hopkins
do about this?

     I imagine this is too long, but hey you fans out there, what do you think?

Jeff Wise
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Ecstasy
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:03:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.052411.27421@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> dstalder@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Darren/Torin/Who ever...) writes:

>I am going to take hunks from the December '92 issue of Gnosis in an article
>called "Ecstasy Revisited" by Bruce Eisner.  He also has a book called
>_Ecstasy:__The_MDMA_Story (Berkeley CA: Ronin Publishing, 1989).  Any
>typographic errors are mine.  Hopefully this falls under fair use rules, this
>is kinda educational use.

Actually, many of the errors here are due to shoddy spelling checking by
Gnosis.  

>p. 57: 3rd and 4th paragraphs, 1st column
>  The quesiton of MDMA's neutotoxicity was first raised in 1985, when George
>Ricarte and Charles Shuster at the University of Chicago performed an

Ricaurte and Schuster.  The article also mispells fenfluramine.  Jeesh.

>                                                                     More
>important is a recent and still unpublished study by George Ricarte, in which
>normal human doses were administered to primates every two weeks for four
>months  They showed no evidence of neurotoxicity.

This is pretty compelling evidence.

>  With millions of people having taken MDMA over a 20-year period, some more
>than several hundred times, there has never been a reported case of
>MDMA-caused brain damage.  Not one single case.

This isn't a very good argument, since we wouldn't necessarily recognize
such a case if it happened.

>    In our work with MDMA in psychotherapy so far, we have not observed
>    any negative effects, either of a psychological or physical kind.
>    The tremendous usefulness in healing severe psychological
>    disturbances outweighs the occasional stress to the organism though
>    these substances.  [text elided]

This is the opinion of hundred of experienced American therapists as well.

>Think free!
>--
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>

    --Matt
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Ecstasy
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:32:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.073132.3739@news.yale.edu> FRICHARD@biomed.med.yale.edu (Frank Richardson) writes:

>On the contrary, I would say that it is quite neurotoxic. Ecstacy causes a
>profound release of the neurotrasmitter serotonin. It over stimulates the cells
>so much they usually die. In rodents, as much as 80% of the serotonergic

This is incorrect.  MDMA produces a marked reduction in the density of
5-HT immunoreactive axon terminals, but this does not demonstrate cell
death.  It is well established that the cell bodies remain unaffected.
See Battaglia _JPET_ 242: 911-916, for example.

Assays for MDMA-induced neurotoxicity do not measure neurons; they measure
the levels of 5-HT and its metabolites a/o the number of 5-HT uptake sites.

In any case, I believe that the 80% value you cite probably refers to
acute depletion of serotonin, as reported by Schmidt's lab.  Such
acute depletions (measured 3 hrs post-injection) tell us little about the 
structural or functional effects of MDMA.  Of course there'll be acute 
reductions in 5-HT -- MDMA acts by emptying out the serotonergic neuron's 
storage vesicles!  The important question would be what the brain looks
like 1 week after a single dose (or 2 weeks or a year later).

If the 80% figure refers to long term depletion, then high doses were
repeatedly given to the animals.  Since many phenethylamines produces
axonal degeneration at high doses (methamphetamine, for example)
without producing a similar syndrome in humans at normal levels, it
is stretching it to claim such studies are directly relevant to
human MDMA use.  Studies of the effects of high dose regimens tell
us about how the drugs work and how the brain handles such pharmacological
insults; they say nothing about human use.

>neurons were lost. Recall, neurons in your brain generally DO NOT regenerate,

Neurons don't regenerate, but axons do regrow.  

>so once they're gone....Sorry if I sound like a cop, I'm not. Although it is

You don't sound like a cop, you sound like someone who has breezed through a
few papers or abstracts and hasn't looked at the issue closely.

>true that no precise studies have been done in humans, I wouldn't recommend X
>for the time being. 

Charlie Grob is doing precise studies.  Until his results are in, I agree
that the very cautious might want to avoid MDMA or else take a 5-HT reuptake 
blocker a couple hours after taking the MDMA.  However, I personally
think that evidence weights in favor of MDMA being safe in humans. 
Furthermore, there is scant evidence to justify placing MDMA in schedule
1.

>Virtually,
>myself
>
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>frichard@biomed.med.yale.edu                      -Attributed to
>frichard@yalmed.bitnet                              Socrates,399B.C.
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    --Matt Baggott
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: bhilpott@wam.umd.edu (The Addled Student)
Subject: Sour Grass
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:33:36 GMT

I read an article a while back about a pharmaceutical company which had
been developing some sort of drug out of a Sour Grass plant which grew
in the Rockies someplace.  They backed off when they found out that the
active ingredient was one of the precursor chemicals in LSD production.
Now, I understand that the same chemical (I beleive it was ergotamine)
is mainly taken from a rot which occurs on Rye plants and that this is
the major source.  My question is if anyone knows the specifics here and
whether the Sour Grass contains enough of the chemical to be effectivly
harvested (err, that was supposed to be 'to be a possible source of detriment
to the moral fiber of America').

Dan
.

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Thorazine
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:19:33 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1k63p4INNb91@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, giovanni@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Giovanni S Capriglione) writes:
>What is thorazine? Looked in my psych book burt it wasnt there

Thorazine is a brand of chlorpromazine, a heavy sedative.  Albert Hofmann
calls it an "antidote" for LSD.  

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: DMAE/DEANER
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:49:07 GMT

In article <D4B2XB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> dlupul@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Darren Lupul) writes:
>I am wondering if anyone knows of any studies applying ot cognitive 
>research and longevity research comparing the effects of DMAE to the drug 
>DEANER.
>

Well, they're essentially the same drug: Deaner is the acetamidobenzoate
salt of DMAE.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Ecstasy
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:23:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1993Jan22.073132.3739@news.yale.edu> FRICHARD@biomed.med.yale.edu (Frank Richardson) writes:
>On the contrary, I would say that it is quite neurotoxic. Ecstacy causes a
>profound release of the neurotrasmitter serotonin. It over stimulates the cells
>so much they usually die. In rodents, as much as 80% of the serotonergic
>neurons were lost.
---
	Yet similar studies performed with primates have not yielded such
results.  Rats != humans.  Also the amounts given to the rats were far
in excess of what humans would take.  Something like 5 times the normal dose
given every 2 hours for 48 hours.  

	Also with millions of X users over the past 10 or more years, there has
not been one recorded or mentioned case of human brain damage.  You 
might think that if it was so dangerous, there might be at least 1 example.

	I remember a similar study was done with marijuana back in the 70's
with chimps that showed that pot caused brain damage -- amazing how many
people still believe that study.  Anyway, the way the study was performed,
was they gave the equivalent of 70 joints of marijuana to the chimps
with a mask strapped on their face for a period of 5 minutes -- no
oxygen.  Brain damage occurs in 4 minutes in an absence of oxygen.  They
repeated the experiment every day for about 2-3 months.  After that time,
they noticed that the chimps began evidencing signs of brain damage.
After the way the experiment was performed became public (under the FOI act) --
it had been kept secret before that, the study was no longer used as
a justification for the claim of brain damange.  Unfortunately, like alot
of government disinformation campaigns -- they just start it, then 
allow the sheep-like masses to propagate the misinformation.

	There are similar studies with LSD -- that got alot of press on
negative effects, but later debunking of those studies was given no press.

-wat-
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