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From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:17:10 +0200
Keywords: Hebrew
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Oct5.012828.24658@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi) writes:
> We all know that Hebrew gave English words like camel, behemoth, leviathan,
> amen, hallelujah, cane, etc.  I have collected some other English words,
> each with a Hebrew word similar to it in sound and meaning. The Webster
> dictionary does not indicate that any of these words does have a Hebrew
> (or Arameic) origin; I wonder what other people think:
> 
> 1. loop: ( LIPEF, LIPUF )
>         __  _  __  _ |_
>        |_ | | |_ | |   |
>           | | ___|    /
>           |

Interesting, but could be coincidence.


> 
> 2. obese: ( HE-EVIS, EVUS )
>        ___   _ __   \ |       ___  _ __   \ | __
>        |  | .|   |  |\|       |  | |   |  |\|   |
>        |_/   | __|_ | \   ,   |_/    __|_ | \ | |
> 
> 3. question:  ( KUSHIA )
>        __  _ _ _ _  _ ___
>          | | | | | .| , /
>        | |   |/_/   | |
> 
> 4. auspice: ( AUSHPEZIN )
>        _  _ ___  __  _ _ _  _ \ |
>         | |  |  |_.| | | | .| |\|
>         |    |  ___| |/_/   | | \
>         |

The above three look like Hebrew but are not derived from it. The words have a
common derivation from Latin.

> 
> 5. rush, race :  ( RATZ )
>        _ _ __
>        | |   |
>        |/    |
>        |

Intersesting but again could be coincidence or derivation from a common ancient
root.
> 
> 6. crash: ( KARAS )
>        ___  __  ___
>        |  |   | , /
>        |_/    | |
>                 |
> 
> 7. fall:  ( NAFAL )
>        |_   __    _
>          | |_ |   |
>         /  ___| __|

>       
> 8. bore (i.e., hole):  ( BOR )
>        __  _ ___
>          | |  . |
>          | | ___|_
>       
> 
These are most definitely from a common ancient root.
> 


How did you get this nifty Hebrew characters. (By hand?)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Looking for Lorne Switzer / BGUniversity
From: comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:22:49 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Does anyone have an email address for Lorne Switzer of Ben Gurion
University?  Alternately, does anyone have an Internet address for a machine
at BGU?  I had the address switz@bgunv.bgu.ac.il but it came back with
illegal address so I couldn't even ask the postmaster.

jj

John Thayer Jensen                      64 9 373 7599 ext. 7543
Commerce Computer Services              64 9 373 7437 (FAX)
Auckland University                     jt.jensen@aukuni.ac.nz
Private Bag 92019
AUCKLAND
New Zealand
From: nwf0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (NICOLE WHITNEY FOX)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Tim Wise
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:25:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

This morning on a talk show one of the guests was a hate crime expert, and his
name was Tim Wise.  I was wondering if anyone would know how to contact him; I
am
curious as to how he got into that line of work.  Could you please respond if
you know how I could find him?  Thanks!
            N.W.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:29:59 EDT
From: ^[corrigible <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: jewish resistance against nazis

I've been arguing with a colleague of mine about Jews during the war.
He asks why, for example the 1 million Jews of Hungary didn't launch an
uprising against the Nazis since there were (according to him) less than
200 SS soldiers supervising the deportation of the Jews. He says that after
the Warsaw ghetto uprising was crushed there was no doubt as to German designs
on the Jews and the Hungarian Jews should have revolted.

I have argued about the culture and psychology of oppression as well as the
apparant futility of an uprising of what was after all a national minority.
I am not very familiar with the facts however and not well equipped to
effectively counter his argument. He says he gets his facts from _Escape from
Aushwitz_ by Dr Rudolf Vrba. Can anyone more familiar with the period help me
by providing arguments and facts, Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: * Yeshu ? *
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:57:10 GMT

In <9210141733.AA22568@ptms_dev.sbi.com> gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler) writes:

> There is no n+1 "coming" for n not equal to zero.

must n be an integer?
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:26:08 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

rr = rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
gf = friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)

gf: The messiah is supposed to bring an era of peach among all men.
rr: Aha! Now I understand why Isaiah talks about turning swords into
rr: plows: so we can all become peach farmers!

But what about the PRUNEing hooks?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: sexism
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:14:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.213022.19279@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
>In article <CFMRBYYR@cc.swarthmore.edu> mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie Wertz) writes:

>>I was born Jewish and I had an Orthodox Jewish education.  I have abandoned
>>Judaism because I came to recognize that it is sexist to the core.  The
>>Tanach is a patriarchal body of literature which completely invalidates the
>>history, experience, and contribution of women.  Jewish law, at least
>>Orthodox Jewish law, is degrading to women.  Is there anyone out there who
>>feels the same way?

>Let me try to understand: If you believed that the Bible
>is the word of God, how could God's words be degrading in any way ? I
>understand that you have felt a contradiction  between modern Western
>value system and the Bible, but if the Bible is the word of God why did 
>you choose the Western values over the Bible's ?

Dov, did she say anywhere that she consideredthe Bible to be the Word
of God?  

(Many Jews don't, for what it's worth -- and they are no less Jews
for it.)

As I told Melanie in e-mail, not all Jews hold the views she objects to;
even within Orthodoxy there are attempts to reinterpret the Bible in 
ways that shed new light on womens' experience.

Finally, note that many of the values that Melanie objects to are 
*also* "modern Western values..."

Yours in a difficult world,

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 06:02:57 GMT

In article <matthew.718778305@mugga> matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
>roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>[Assimilation] means
>>the *choice* to live under different cultural conditions.

>This is multiculturalism. To assimilate means (in this context) to
>become like the majority in respect of culture etc.

There's an important distinction between the workplace and the home.

One can assimilate to the majority culture in the workplace in many
cases and still maintain a homelife that is based one's individual
cultural background.

The most important questions regarding assimilation as far as civil
rights are concerned are those involving the workplace. It is of
crucial importance from a civil rights standpoint to be given the
opportunity to assimilate into the majority workplace culture and be
accepted there.

It is also important to be able to do so without sacrificing one's
religious practice or home life. An intolerant workplace culture can
be very destructive of minorities.

--Mark
From: baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: COBOL (was Re: Intermarriage)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:29:39 GMT
Organization: Courant Institute, New York University

Andrew Solovay writes:

> The Torah clearly forbids writing in COBOL.

Where does it say that?  What proof can you bring?  Where do we learn over
that COBOL is assur?

     ---+  ||  --+  --+
        |        '    '             Jonathan J. Baker
     ---+-                          baker@robocop.nyu.edu
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From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: More Questions
Reply-To: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:06:05 GMT


In a previous article, bferguso@techbook.com (Robert Ferguson) says:

>Somebody mentioned Roth booksellers in LA.  Does anyone have a mailing
>address?  How about other Judaic bookstores in the US?  I looked around
>here in Portlan, OR and there does'nt seem to be much available.  Any
>names, addresses, and phone numbers I could get would be very helpful.

You might want to call 1-800-JUDAISM ... this is Pinsker's in Pittsburgh,
Pa.   or
 
Frank's Hebrew Book Store, 1647 Lee Road, Cleveland Hgts., Ohio 44118
(216) 321-6850  or
 
Jacob's Judica, Cedar Center, University Hgts., Ohio   Sorry, I don't
have a phone number on that one.
 
-- 
         No nation can long survive without pride in its traditions.
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Shul name
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:59:47 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <memo.664288@cix.compulink.co.uk>
stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

>In-Reply-To: <92278.170412CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
>CARIAN@auvm.american.edu

>> Let's not forget the St. John's Wood Synagogue in London.
>>
>When the Emeritus Chief Rabbi of Great Britain, Rabbi Immanuel
>Jakobovits, was enobled to the House of Lords he took on the title of
>"Lord Jakobovits of St. John's Wood".

So, what a conclusion are we supposed to do as to that Emeritus ?
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:58:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.173508.4672@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko) writes:
>Hi, I'm new.  A story in response to the issue of sexism and Orthodoxy 
>in general:  I consider myself a Reform Jew, more in the sense of
>upbringing and attitude than actual observance (ie, I don't get to
>temple very often...).  At a cousin's Orthodox Bar Mitzvah the rabbi

Just for the record, it is probably unfair to characterize yourself
as a Reform Jew simply on the basis of non-observance; your self-
description sounds more like "non-observant" than Reform.


... stuff deleted ...
(but it didn't sound like an Orthodox synagogue, which would not
have any mixed seating at all.)

>  I respected the customs of
>the Orthodox congregation, but felt the customs are not in line with the
>1990's.  I hope to find a way to honor the essence of these customs -
>get to what they represent in the context of my own life and times,
>and find my own way to symbolize them.

>All in all, I enjoyed being in the synagogue feeling connected with my
>heritage as a Jew, and my cousin did a beautiful job reading from the
>Torah!

Try becoming more active in a Conservative, Reform, or Reconstructionist
setting. 


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Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Whence the minyan?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:57:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <92282.193714CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>When the twelve spies that Moshe sent into the Land came back and said
>that the Israelites couldn't conquer it, God said "how long must I put
>up with this evil congregation" ('edah raah). But, since Joshua and Caleb
>brought back a minority opinion, the evil congregation is not twelve
>but ten, or 12 - 2. Thus the Rabbis derived that a congregation is ten.

>As to whether this requirement is post-biblical, this is I suppose a question
>of interpretation. I suspect traditionalists would say it is biblical, being
>inherent in the text, though there is no place in the Tanach where it
>says in so many words "thou shalt have a minyan, and the minyan shall
>consist of ten."

It seems rather odd that the number of people for a minyan should be 
determined from the number of evildoers in a particular group.  It seems
that this kind of peculiar "reasoning" is quite suspect.  The term 
'edah is not restricted to a religious congregation.
-- 
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Phone: (317)494-6054
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: *Jesus of Nazareth*
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:36:52 GMT

In article <4269@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

>Christianity considered to be an idolworship. 

By whom?  Did Nachmanides consider Christianity to be avodah zarah?  I think
not.  Some did (and do) some didn't (and don't).

>NOTE: It is interesting that christians selected that cruel murdering
>      instrument - the cross - to be their symbol, and they even
>      worship that bizaare instrument.

Another rather unfair generalisation.  Many Christian sects have made a
point of _not_ worshipping the cross.

Many synagogues have lions as part of the decoration of the aron kodesh.
We don't worship lions -- heck, lions are not even kosher!  There are
Christian sects which don't allow depictions of any living things in their
churches.

Aryk Nusbacher
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.173508.4672@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko) writes:

>temple very often...).  At a cousin's Orthodox Bar Mitzvah the rabbi
>asked myself and my stepmother to be seated with the ladies as we were
>about to join my dad in the men's section.  Gail (an attorney, no
>less!) told the rabbi she preferred to sit with her husband, and so we
>did.  

If that had actually been an Orthodox synagogue, I'd be appalled at your
lack of sensitivity.  Fortunalely:

>I noticed Bat Mitzvah'd members of the congregation wearing what
>looked like a ladies' yamulke (forgive my spelling!) seating
>themselves among the men.

...this seems to indicate that you were not actually in an Orthodox
congregation.

>We ended up at a table with the rabbi during the reception.  He
>apologized to us - I can't quite remember how his apology went.  This
>was my first time in an Orthodox synagogue.  I respected the customs of
>the Orthodox congregation, 

No, you wore culottes and sat in the men's section.  But, again, it doesn't
seem to have been an Orthodox congregation...

>but felt the customs are not in line with the
>1990's.

This is true.  If one wanted one's customs to be in line with the 1990's,
one would have to include pop music, ethnic cleansing, a certain amount
of starvation, widespread dishonesty...

>  I hope to find a way to honor the essence of these customs -
>get to what they represent in the context of my own life and times,
>and find my own way to symbolize them.

An admirable set of goals.

Breaking the rules in an Orthodox synagoge would be a bad place to start,
though.

Aryk Nusbacher
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: *jesus of Nazareth*
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:28:45 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <Bw5y2J.2E0@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>
pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:

>In article <4273@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>
>>The main stream christians: catholic, protestants,  the  eastern and
>>many many other types do worship the cross.
>
>No they don't.  They no more worship the cross than Jews worship the
>Torah.

Please don't teach me the Jewish laws as to the sin of idol-worship.
Kissing the cross and bending to it is a part of idol worship.
> If you want to know what they worship, why not ask one.

I have and I did asked many christians of several spicies , about
their thoughts while they use several terms and while they perform
several actions.

I Judge their actions according to thje Tora defenitions not according
to their christian ideas.

>  Otherwise, please stop telling other people what they do and do not
>  worship (unless you want them tyelling you what you worship!)

I am not a padeler, and I am not trading my belief for their , my G od
for their gods and so on. Thus, I express my ideas about any of the
paganic religions according to my principles, and not according to
principles they may supply me.

By the way, I am sure that Paul A.S. War allow himself expressing his
ideas about woodoo even so he do not want them telling him what he
worship.


Shalom  gideon





























Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: The I-can't-believe-they-got-a-hescher-on-this thread
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 17:03:54 GMT


In article <92121@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.025759.17993@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
> >Is eating a communion wafer cannibalism?   Until a few months ago, 
> >the Sisters of Carmel Community of Columbus operated a wafer bakery
> >less than 2000 feet from my front door.  [...]  If they were certified
> >kosher, I'd have no problem eating them.
> 
> Will you be eating Entenmann's Christmas cookies two months from now?

For what it's worth, I've seen perfectly acceptable hechsherim on
hot cross buns and Easter egg candies.  Most likely, the manufacturer
has a blanket hechsher on all products from factory X.
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From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: LARGE Noses
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:26:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Well , so far no one has been able to give me a serious answer to 
my question; why is it that Jews tend to have larger noses than 
let's say, a W.A.S.P.?  Is this an ethnic trait?  I'm serious so no 
jokes please.  I think there is a little truth to this stereotype.


Mitch
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17321 soc.culture.polish:3065
From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:06:58 GMT
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY

In article <yT30RB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
>pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
>
>>   To make my point clear: I have no doubts that "Protocols ..."
>> are anti-Semitic, but selling, buying the book and reading it doesn't
>> make me anti-Semitic.  Whow otherwise would I know what what
>> is inside ?  How do you know ?  I do not think that to prohibit
>> people from expressing their views is the best way to fight
>> ideas.
>
[...]
>
>The Protocols are a lie, a forgery, and an attempt to stir up violent 
>hatred of Jews.  They are not literary expression, they are a political 
>tool used to promote the agenda of antisemitism.
>
>If you sell, distribute, promote, or display them for any reason other 
>than to expose them for what they are and to educate people about them, 
>then you are engaging in a political act of antisemitism.
>
>You claim that this person was "merely displaying them with other books" 
>for sale.  You cannot 'merely display' the Protocols with other books in 
>a store, they are not literature and are not a part of the public 
>marketplace of ideas.
>
>Todd

  I am afraid that this is an expression of your personal sensitivity.
I doubt whether this kind of reasoning would make you the case in the US.
(Please remember that I do not argue about Protocols themselves).
To give you an example: Mein Kampf was not published in Poland after WWII
(until very recently, I believe).  At the same time I can find in on the
display in the bookstores in US (even Jewish bookstores !!!).  It is
not a pleasure for me to see the book being offered freely and I can
see that it is not withut impact on US society (Duke's case).  At the
same time I respect the right of other people to express their ideas
(however abominable they can be) and read whatever they want.

  In a sense the fact that after collaps of communist goverment in Poland
the books mentioned are available again is a sign of return to democracy
and freedom.  I am afraid that this is simply a cost of freedom: you
will find on the market ideas which you hate, but at the same time
you have the right to oppose them freely.

                                                Pawel Penczek

PS.  Somehow it makes me feel funny to preach Americans what freedom
means :-).

PS2. Since I posted my original text I returned to the text which initiated
this discussion.  It turned out that the book was offered by the CHURCH
bookstore and presumabely printed by Church offices (which also means
that the book would have to bear the sign of Imprimatur - official
Catholic censorship) - this is entirely different story. I do not think
that Catholic Church should be involved in promoting this kind of books.
Unfortunately Catholic Church is not a democratic institution and we
don't have easy ways to impose our will on it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Jesus
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:44:33 GMT

In article <2389@itexjct.jct.ac.il> warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) writes:
>In <1992Oct7.190956.17316@math.ucla.edu> shteingd@dione.math.ucla.edu (Semion D. Shteingold) writes:
>
>>Excuse, me please, but as I remember
>>Mashiah will be born on tish'be'av, not in december.
>
>I don't think this midrash is meant to be taken literally any more
>than the one that says that his name will be Menachem.  Neither of
>these requirements are mentioned in Mishneh Torah.
 

Even so, Christmas is the celebration by Christians of Jesus's birth.
It is not His literal birthday.  Nobody (except G-d) knows His real date
of birth.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish