HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: djk@saki.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (just only me)
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:31:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.063347.912@mr.med.ge.com>, bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
|> 
|> From what I just heard on TV dhat iron depletion may not be all bad.  They
|> have found some coreolation(sp) between high iron levels, and heart attacks.
|> I wish I knew more as this sounds interesting with loads of people gulping
|> down iron suplements that may bve doing more bad than good?
|> 
|> Dennis
|> 

From what I read in the Wall Street Journal the other day, doctors have
linked high iron level intake to the production of free radicals.  Of course
we all know that free radicals have been linked to the cause of things
like cancer, heart disease, cataracts, aging, etc. (well this is 
misc.fitness isn't it ;-) ).  

It is known that anti-oxidants help combat the free radicals in our body (on a
good day each cell takes 100,000 hits from free radicals) which are caused
by such things as normal metabolism, exercise, pollution, ozone, x-rays 
etc.  For references to this see the April 6th issue of TIME magazine (cover
story) as well as U.S. News and World Report (cover story - don't have
date handy but it came out after the TIME issue).

The good news is that supplements containing anti-oxidants can help.  Now 
I know that this statement will not be popular with some people who read this 
newsgroup and they will disagree vehemently with this statement, saying this 
is "voodoo medicine".   But I would expect this from people who have little 
or no knowledge on this relatively new topic.  I can get my hands
on reams of scientific papers dealing with this subject.  It is not a
new subject to the scientific community, only to the rest of the world.  
If anyone would like more info, feel free to contact me.
	
			Doug

DISCLAIMER:  The views expressed above are not those of my employer.....hey
	     I don't know whether I will even claim them!
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Re: Wanted: NordicTrak Ski Simulator
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:10:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.194207.6722@iscsvax.uni.edu>, taylorw@iscsvax.uni.edu
writes:

>>Would like to purchase  a used NordicTrack Ski Simulator.

>>Thankyou for your time,

>>Wes Taylor

Wes,

	Don't waste your money! These machines are a real scam. Granted, any 
exercise is better than no exercise, but there are several cheaper (and more 
effective) ways to exercise (ie: walk/jog, walking stairs, rowing machine, 
swimming, low impact aerobics, etc.).

	Being a nordic ski coach (+12 years), people are rather suprised to 
hear me shoot down the NordicTrack (in spite of Bill Koch's endorsement |^) !)
but it is really not that effective (resistance is everything!).

Nordic Norm
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: Re: how long should soreness last?
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.154842.9138@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.) writes;


>>I recently started an exercise program that requires among other things
>>that I jog twice a week.

>>Yesterday while jogging I felt a slight pain in my right lung.
>>As I went along the pain progressed to the point where I had to stop
>>and walk.  The pain died down and I commenced jogging, but it came
>>back again.  I also notice this same pain in the same lung when
>>doing intensive sets of jumping jacks.  What could be the cause
>>of this?  How might I prevent this from happening again?

>>Thanks.  Richard Earl Jr.

Richard,

	The pain you experienced is colloquially referred to as a "stitch", or
"side stitch". It is caused by an imbalance in pressure within the diaphram.

	To alleviate this, take slower, deeper breaths. This is why when you
stop and walk, the pain goes away - the pressure imbalance is equalized.

	You say that you have only recently started to exercise. Not knowing 
any specifics in your case, I would recommend a combination of jog/walk for 
the first few months. When exercising, there should be NO pain! It should be 
enjoyable and relaxing (else why bother?). Avoid advice from the "heavy metal"
crowd (ie: weightlifters), since they tend to rely on 'street' advice in regard
to training principles. [flames expected]

	Keep up the effort Richard! 

Nordic Norm 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: ************ Help with flexibility *************************
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.041437.23541@cc.umontreal.ca> cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin) writes:
>
> Hello, I have been training in the martial arts ( Karate ) for several years
> now and I still have a problem with my flexibility. When I train several
> times in a week, my muscles become stiff and sore due to overstretching I
> guess. I stretch every time I train , before training. I would like to know
> what is the best way to stretch to attain maximum flexibility? Is it 
> every day, every second day?  Do I pull hard for a short while or do I
> pull soft for a long time ? When my muscles hurt, do I stretch them or do
> I wait for several days for the pain to dissappear before I stretch again?
> This is frustrating, after so many years, my muscles still stiffen after
> heavy stretching. I am 22 years old if this is a factor in it.
>
> I would appreciate any help with this problem, also can you point out
> the right professional to see for this ie: M.D. or P.T. or O.T. ???
>
> Martin Cholete
> cholette@jsp.umontreal.ca



Dear Martin;

Soft, static stretching with relaxed breathing workds best and is the least
risky.  This is the kind similar to Hatha Yoga.  If you can find a copy
of RUNNERS WORLD YOGA BOOK buy it.  It will be all you need.  You might
also want to get LIGHT ON YOGA, by BKS IYENGAR.  Taking a short yoga course
is helpful to. If you can a little bit of stretching everyday is the best, but
it should be pain free and soft.  Jerking and pulling just cause the muscles 
to tighten up to protect agains injury.  When I was a karate head several years
back I found stretching soon after rising very helpfull.  I couldnt do as much
at that time of day but my overwall "walking around" flexibility improved
dramatically.  Warmup by standing in a horstance for 3-5 minuets beforehand,
you will find this will loosen you up for the stretches tremendousley.  Good
luck
Steve R

:x
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wet@niksula.hut.fi (Vesa T|rm{nen)
Subject: Re: Mr. Olympia results
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: misc
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:13:31


About Mr. Olympia ... I was in the pre-judging, night show too expensive.

Topic 1. Yates or Levrone? That was a close one. Both were ripped and massive,
Yates with slightly more muscle, Levrone better poser and with a nicer 
structure. A matter of taste, really (I don't know about scores, but I think
it was a close one). I had Levrone first.

2. Labrada in his best ever condition, took a well deserved 3rd. Appeared
in the contest paper in a Met-RX ad, stating he was using the stuff....

3. Shawn Ray was good. Softer than top three, but magnificent body. Benaziza
was huge! Widest man in the show.

4. Disappointments: -Haney didn't compete
		    -Ferrigno couldn't pose at all. In the relaxed round he
		     stood with his feet a yard apart, turned like an
		     elephant. No aesthetics whatsoever. Got comparisons - even
		     with Yates, but I don't know why.
		    -Nimrod King didn't show up (again!)
		   - Where was Achim Albrecht? Didn't he qualify? I recall
		     he was 9th last year.

5. Confused judges. They compared the top eight (plus Ferrigno) against each
other over and over again. Gone were the days of comparing Haney once and
then looking for lower placements. Labrada was compared with everybody many
many times.

6. Brisbois must be wrong-handed - quarter turn to the right, no Steve, right..
(happened 'bout five times)

7. Levrone was really on a high, hitting extra poses whenever he could, having
posedowns after rounds 1 and 2.

8. Does Benfatto train legs? He was also softer than last year.

All in all, great bodies, due to 'roids or not. I was on a high for seeing
the guys from the magazines live and close. I had 1st row seats (brag brag)

--
Jos kalat itkisiv{t
......	niin meret nousisivat				wet@niksula.cs.hut.fi
..............	syv{lle kaupunkiin
......................	Uimapoliiseja tarvittaisiin kipe{sti	(Ismo Alanko)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: farrar@adaclabs.com (Stephen Daedalus)
Subject: arginine+lysine > arginine ?
Keywords: amino acids growth hormone
Organization: The Eye of the Pyramid, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:47:59 GMT

I have seen many studies showing arginine and/or ornithine to be potent human
growth hormone releasers.  I have recently heard of a study done at the
University of Rome which found that lysine and arginine pyroglutamate were far
more potent GH releasers than arginine alone.  I was under the impression that
lysine was an antagonist of arginine.  Has anyone else heard about this study?
Does anyone know the scoop on lysine?  I will post a summary of responses.
Please email me directly if you don't want to waste the bandwidth.

---
Richard Farrar		These views are my own, not my company's or country's.
ADAC Laboratories	"A man without hand is not a man."
farrar@adaclabs.com		- George Costanza, Seinfeld
From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: 3-day workout
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:38:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: campbell.wyZLqB2w164w
Organization: loose

I would like to know if anyone out there knows of a successful
3-day workout for all muscle groups.
I posted a few months ago asking about 2-day workouts but my
schedule now allows me to go to 3-and-1.  In four years, my
progress has been non-existent to the point of utter frustration.
If I can go to perhaps shorter workouts over more days, maybe
that would help.
Either mail or postings would be okay.
Thanks.
-
-Bob Campbell-
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:7221 ba.food:3185
From: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,ba.food
Subject: Re: coffee grnds, aluminum pots unhealthy??
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:58:37 GMT
Reply-To: markn@assisi.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Olivetti Research California

> 
> Another question: my espresso maker is made of aluminum, which is possibly
> risky, since aluminum has been linked w/ Alzheimer's.  Any data on this?

  In the current issue of Discovery magazine they have a good article on this
topic. They mention that they really don't know what the relationship is
between
aluminum and Alzheimer's but every brain that is looked at with the
desease has a 
high concentration of aluminum. Most of the research money is going to people
that suspect a certain protein, that is also present with the aluminum. 
   This is a poor explanation on my part, but the artcle was good.

Mark Nass
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 3-day workout
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:35:29 GMT

>From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
>So for legs it might be squats, then leg press, then stiff leg deadlifts,
>then calf work.  The idea is to tire out the big groups then work smaller
>groups that are less dependant on the biggies.

agreed. with possible exceptions. i usually do (light) leg extensions
before squats/leg presses in order to warm up (*wake* up?) the legs
muscles. :-)

whatever works...
Janice

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Janice_Green@Brown.edu                 Brown University           _`\<,_
SSDC2@BROWNVM          -+||-----||+-   Providence, RI (USA)      (*)/ (*)
From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: form and back problems for bent over rows
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:30:25 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA


    I am doing bent - over barbell rows - underhand grip, hands about
4-6 inches apart. It is bothering my back to some extent (I get a
"crick" about have way down - opposite the bottom of my rib cage also
some soreness in the lower back). I strongly suspect that my form is
not right. I would appreciate any pointers -

                                                      Jerry Freedman,Jr
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Squats pain question
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:53:03 GMT

In article <6910015@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:

>After squats, the muscle that gets sorest and recovers slowest is the inside
>rear of my upper thigh. What muscle is this? Is there some companion exercize
>that will develop this muscle so I don't need an extra recovery day just for
>this?

 could be the "adductor" (the muscle who moves the leg inwards), and there's
a machine to train this one -- a machine in which you push your legs inwards.
 else it could be the "semi-tendinosus" or the "semi-membranosus" (both part
of the hamstring), and to work these you use a "hamstring"-machine.





---------------+--------------------------------
 Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my own,
               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Subject: Re: Competative powerlifting for women
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:03:45 GMT

In article <9209081649.AA15898@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
>>    women's powerlifting... there are not many competitors in the higher
>>    weight classes. Most of the strong women are in the fly/feather
>>    divisions.
>>    In the British Drug Free Women's meet, there were only 4 entrants over
>>    154 lbs, and they only lifted about the same as the lighter ones.
>
>now i'm curious. how much weight are you talking about?
>anyone know what type of weight you have to lift to win/place in Britian/US?
>or elsewhere? just curious.
>
>thanks
>Janice
>
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>Janice_Green@Brown.edu                 Brown University           _`\<,_
>SSDC2@BROWNVM          -+||-----||+-   Providence, RI (USA)      (*)/ (*)



	I'll post some weights next week.

	WATCH THIS SPACE!



-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Laurie Constantin,     | You can sail across the water, float across the sky.|
| <laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk>| Any road that you take will get you there,          |
| BNR Europe Ltd, UK     | if you only try.    - MJJ                           |
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodybuilding Hilarity II
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:12:48 GMT

>From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)

>he is marrying sandy ridell (sp?) of bodybuilding fame in november.
this was in MuscleMag or Flex or some other magazine (recent issue)
but i can't remember which one (maybe Muscular Development?)

>his training routine, he said, included  "doing shoulders and deltoids on
>tuesdays."  now, which ones do you think he does first?  :)
ha! this is great!

>he also indicated that he will win the olympian in '93, to be held in new
>york city, finishing with "it's gonna be lots of sickness for thickness to
>take it, but i'm gonna do it!"
sickness for thickness???

Janice

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Janice_Green@Brown.edu                 Brown University           _`\<,_
SSDC2@BROWNVM          -+||-----||+-   Providence, RI (USA)      (*)/ (*)
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bursitis in right shoulder
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:05:19 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <max.716428085@isis> max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler) writes:
>I have developed Bursitis in my right shoulder after these six years of
>regular exercise.  I noticed it a few weeks ago and it hasn't gone away.
>My chiropractor has recommended ice after working out, which he says
>is causing the infallmation.  Have any of you had a similar condition
>and did it ever go away?  Was surgery needed?  Thanx...
>-- 
>Max Heffler, Senior Software Engineer   internet: max@compaq.com

Well, my situation wasn't "similar."  I actually tore my rotator cuff and
biceps tendon.  After several cortisone injections and physical therapy, I
had arthroscopic surgery.  Don't let me scare you.  You have nothing like this.
You just have an inflammation.

Just to make you feel better, I am in better shape than ever, and I've never
been this strong.  Last summer before my injury, I was benching 340 at a weight
of 162 pounds.  After surgery, I am now 162 pounds and I'm going for a 350
bench in 2 weeks.  I'm also military pressing 185 for reps.

I had surgery in January and was in a sling for 6 weeks.

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
     **********************************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: '92 Mr. Olympia & Steroids, a criticism.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:28:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.120234.1@vax1.tcd.ie> kellyfj@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep11.172705.17976@athena.mit.edu>, poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>> yow!  it's tomorrow in helsinki!
>> 
>> any netters in finland, please relay the results when they become
>> available!
>
>#define flamethrower ON
>
>I wonder will the winner be also crowned by the company he gets his steroids
>from?
>
>I'm sorry folks, I'm one of those people who believes that ALL of those guys in
>Mr. Olympia are on steroids. I heard last year that when someone wanted to
>introduce random drug-testing into the IFBB, the bodybuilders had a freak!
>
>That must be a clear sign that the use of drugs is not only widespread but
>almost EVERYWHERE in pro bodybuilding (except for some groups like the ones who
>sponsor Mr. Natural America). Now don't get me wrong, I love my weight-training,
>and I'm sure there are lots of 'clean' people around, but those guys in the
>upper echelons of 'the industry' are not clean. I can't wait to see how long
>guys like Haney live with all the drugs in their system. 
>
># define flamethrower OFF
>
>
>--Frank
>
>*************************
>* KELLYFJ@Vax1.tcd.ie | *
>*---------------------| *
>* GO BROWNS! GO DAWGS | *
>*************************
>

Frank-

     Based on what I've read by both pro and anti lifter types, as well as
years of gym experience I would have to agree with your assertation about
the pervasiveness of steroids, espically in the upperechelons of bodybuiling.

     However, I have to take issue with how you implied that the bodybuilding
contestants getting upset over random drug testing seemed offer confirmation
to your/our suspicions.  I have never done any kind of drug in my life and
such a test would still offend me.  I think the situation is similar to
drug tests in schools, the workplace, and the military.  I think it is
a privacy issue.  Many people feel their freedom is infringed upon by
being ordered to drop their trousers and pee in a cup.

    BTW, I think it would be more interesting to see what would happen to
some of those junkies/walking pharmacies if they came off their chemicals
all at once:)

No Wish To Offend

Steve

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From: gadkari@carnation.cis.ohio-state.edu (Sanjay Gadkari)
Subject: joint-related tingling/numbness
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:26:20 GMT

Hi,

I am a newcomer to this group, and really enjoy the discussions here.

I would be glad to hear (by email) from anyone who can shed light on a
specific problem, apparently related to exercise, that I have been having.

After any form of vigorous exercise involving my knees (jogging,
Lifestep) or elbow joints (weight training, aerobics), my legs and
arms respectively become tingly and numb in the region around the
joint about 12 hrs after the exercise and then return to normal after
another day or so if rested. This happens much more on the left than
on the right; it also seems to happen in a milder form around the
hip/ankle/wrist joints.  I had an expensive (:() neuro-muscular exam
including MRI scans of my spinal column and conduction-velocity tests
of the nerves in my limbs, and they found no obvious problems.

I am 27, >40lbs overweight, and have been working out for about a
year.  This problem seemed to begin 3 months ago, after I switched to
some jogging and high-impact aerobics after several months of only
low-impact without any pain or problems.. I have returned to low
impact workouts, but the problem persists.

Thanks: any interesting followup will be posted.
----
Sanjay Gadkari
Dept. of Computer Science, The Ohio State University, Columbus OH
gadkari@cis.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: 1992 Mr. Olympia!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.172705.17976@athena.mit.edu> poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>yow!  it's tomorrow in helsinki!
>
>any netters in finland, please relay the results when they become
>available!
>
>poobear

Hey Poo,

  Sorry I couldn't make it this weekend (had to go to a wedding) -
but how about youi telling us about the contest *you* went to?

Ron
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Soloflex/attachments for sale
From: aarment@desire.wright.edu
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:00:28 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

	I have a Soloflex with all weights, leg attachment and butterfly
attachment for sale.  The equipment was bought last August and is in excellent
shape.   $1000 for the whole unit, shipping extra if you are outside my area. 
I live in the Dayton, OH area.

aarment@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Subject: Re: antacid loading
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:22:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.004512.12414@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <BuLAIn.1ry@acsu.buffalo.edu> v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>>I would like to increase my endurance by physiologically buffering lactic acid
>>by using a powdered antacid.
>
>This is ridiculous.  It's not the "acid" in lactic acid which impairs
>performance, and your body has more than enough "buffering capacity."
>You're only going to fuck something up -- don't waste your time.

No, it's not that ridiculous. Inadvisable, but not ridiculous.

Athletes generate enough lactic acid to
substantially change the pH of the blood and muscle.  There has been at
least one positive report (Jones, J Appl Physiology 1977 43:959)
claiming a performance improvement (for exercise times around 5 min)
by ingesting ~20 gm of sodium bicarbonate over 2-3 hrs preceding exercise.
Of course the fact that this hasn't become popular over the intervening
15 years indicates that contrary studies exist.  The ingestion of this
much may also be accompanied by vomiting and diarrhea.
-- 
Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
But I make a profit of 3 1/4 cents an egg by selling them for 4 1/4
cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for 7 cents an egg.
Of course, *I* don't make the profit.          Joseph Heller, Catcha 22
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