HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Racist White Greek Party at Texas A&M
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:37:01 GMT

In article <16OCT199211530787@venus.tamu.edu>,
eah0065@venus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR) writes:
>Here at Texas A&M a white Fraternity held a jungle theme party at their Frat
>house on Oct 2. A band member that performed at the party wrote to the school
>paper in disgust that no one present at the party seemed to think that the theme
>was insensitive and racist.
>
>The Fraternity, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, had their pledges dress in black face and
>grass skirts while carrying around spears. Active members were dressed in
>hunting outfits chasing the pledges around the house. At one point someone got
>up on the band stage and yelled that "We don't have Niggers in our house."
>
>Although a great number of the details have been refuted the Fraternity does
>not deny that the pledges and actives were dressed in the manner just explained
>they deny that the pledges were being chased around the party.
>
.
.
Check.  When I worked for Stanford the first time in the late
Seventies, a frat had a theme party called the Pimp and the
Prostitute Party.  They advertised it in the Stanford Daily in this
narrow column.  I don't know what happened afterwards, but no one
said a word about it or covered it further in the Daily.  I sent a
copy of this to Ms. for their former "No Comment" section.
.
Yes, this is racist (Sigma's party).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:02:41 GMT



>In the midst of all this talk about dating or not dating white people,
>someone mentioned that he had a white girlfriend, but yet his politics
>was "black". I'm sorry, but I have a problem with that. How can one's
>politics be "black", yet the person has a white woman? Maybe some of you
>guys who love white women so much can enlighten me on that. :-)
.
.
I have wondered the same thing myself, so when you guys fininsh telling Mr.
Anthony, please tell me.  I know that you guys are going to try and put up a
very good argument.  Your comments are going to reflect this one point, which
is:  Just because one is married to a white doesn't mean he/she is less black!
How can a person be a strong black when his ability to be an impartial thinker
is somewhat undermined in an interracial marriage.  Let me give you an example.
Suppose that a young aspiring(?) black doctor has just moved his business to
your area and you take it upon yourself to help out the brothermans business
and make him your family doctor.  Your interracial spouse say's okay and
everything is fine and dandy. Later on you stop shopping at the local grocery
store in the mostly white suburb where you live, and begin to shop at a black
owned one closer to the city.  Your spouse agrees again this time, but when you
try and write out a check for $500(or whatever) to send to the UNCF, she says
hell no.  She says you are excluding her people and that you are being racist.
What do you do ? Do you stop supporting black? Keep in mind that if we don't
support our own kind no one else will, at least in a REALISTIC SOCIETY!
.
 BTW, one
>can still be educated, not flashy, geeky and still find black women to
>go out with... There are many educated single black women out there...
>Don't do black women a disservice by suggesting that they only like
>hoodlums. Give them more respect than that. If we do not respect the
>black women who bore us, how can we respect ourselves?
>
>Nuff said,
>Femi.
.
.
I see your point.  It seems like blacks tend to steretype each other which
can lead to many false assumptions.  Please accept my apology.  That goes
out to all you beautiful black women out their; you guys know I love ya!!!!

              Chris Hill
                    -who would want a masters...
                    -if you are not a leader....
                    -Christopher Negro stompin...
                    -fuck it 8-) !!!!!!!
From: sts6f@vortex.mech.virginia.edu (Sonya T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Spike vs. Liz Claiborne
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:43:44 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <615-vH#@engin.umich.edu>, dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:
|> Gabrielle Daniels asks about an alleged Liz Claiborne quote:
|> >I'm asking if anyone's heard the story, or other
|> >versions of the story; or happened to see the Oprah show, or
|> >heard/saw both, to say a few syllables about what they think.
|> 
|> I seem to remember some anti-Black comment from one of the
|> big-shots in the fashion industry a few years ago. I don't think
|> it was Claiborne -- for some reason the woman who heads the
|> Ford Modeling Agency comes to mind. I'll see if I can dig up the
|> exact details (but I'm making no promises 8-)
|> 	Darryle

I think what you are referring to is remark made by Gloria Vanderbuilt on the
Donahue show.  As I recall, it was at the time when her black jeans were hot 
and an AfAm women in the audience asked why the proportions were such that they
did not fit alot of black women (and alot of others).  Ms. Vanderbuilt's response was 
that she did not design her clothes with black women in mind.  

Sonya
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:51:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1b7odsINNhb2@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
# There's no contradiction.  To simplify things, let's just consider
# skin color which is determined by six genes, three inherited from
# the mother and three from the father.  If one parent has six white
# genes and the other a black and five whites, the darkest
# combination for the child will be BWWWWW, the same as one of the
# parents.  If both parents are BWWWWW, there's a fair chance the
# child will be BBWWWW, i.e. darker than either parent, a so called
# throwback.  This can happen regardless of whether either or both
# parents think they are white.  It works the same way for any other
# multigene trait, which Negroid features are.

Very interesting.  And I was just about to praise your scientific
approach, when I went to the next posting:

# }For all practical purposes however, there are a great many
# }whites who are "white..."
#
# "Practical purposes" is quite sufficient when your talking culture
# or sociology.  However, in tracing genetic lineage, relations run
# much deeper.  And again, there are southerners who are certain of
# their white racial purity and then cross to have a black child.

How easy it is to drop into our culturally conditioned pattern of
calling anyone with any African ancestry black, even in a case where
both parents consider themselves white.  I guess parents of such
children should put them up for adoption, so that they won't be
deprived of their cultural heritage, eh?

I don't mean to be critical, since any American could have said the
same thing.  I'm just using it to show up how absurd our traditions
are.

David

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: buckmr@vccsouth05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:17:50 GMT

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

>	I agree that love is where you find it, but at what expense.  I have
>had many friends that have dated interracially.  They had to sneak around and
>meet their girlfriends at certain times of the night and week.  My friends
>could not call the girls homes out of fear their parents would answer and
>figure out their little secret.  Once a friend of mine was caught by a girls
>father in their home and chased out with a colt 45.  He was called nigger and
>told  by the girls father never to see his daughter again or else. My friend
>continued to see the girl.  Now you tell me, is it worth it? 
>                                             
What's your point? This has nothing to do with the basic idea of dating people
who are from different races but with parents having a problem with accepting
the relationship. This could happen if your friend dated someone of the same
sex that the parent did not approve of.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Yes, you can get AIDS from a mosquito...*IF* you have unprotected
receptive anal intercourse with an infected mosquito..." -- Randy Shilts
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 10 Oct 1992 07:55:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct10.025504.17288@newshost.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu
(Local Genius) writes:
>In article <1b4nnqINN3s4@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu
(;;;;7202) writes:
>[....]
>>Keep in mind, though, that Africans and Europeans exchanged genes for
>>centuries   before the discovery and settlement of America.  Therefore,
>>there are no pure Caucasians or pure Africans anyway.
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I beg to differ....this is a sweeping statement which is not
>necessarily true....

What the underlined statement was referring to was the lack of any
independent genetic definition of Caucasian or African.  Not only
has gene flow occurred throughout and between populations in Europe
and Africa for many centuries, but it is impossible to define the
features of a Caucasian or African in any scientifically precise
way.  Continuous gradations of features from one extreme to another
simply preclude any notion of racial purity.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Soldiers Monument Unvieled at Pentagon
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:04:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <Bw051G.xE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> by kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta):

> The "Buffalo Soldiers" were mass murderers and not a little reactionary. 

As were the Indians.  That's war.  Being Black and part Apache, I don't have
any trouble saying that.  My great great grandmother's people were certainly
mistreated.  Of course they never had much trouble mistreating others either.
This is nothing new nor unique.  Your perception of Polish history is apt to
differ depending upon whether you're Polish or Ukrainian....

> Supporting them just coz they were blak troops does not hold any water.

Actually a fairly reasonable statement, kept in context.  Of course, does this
change when considering whether Marion Berry should have been mayor of DC
because he was a good mayor, or just because he was Black...?

> Your posting reminds me of this quote from the newsgroup 
> misc.activism.progressive:
> 
> 
>    "To derail concern over whether you should _support_their_policy_,
> the PR system focuses attention on whether you _support_our_troops_ --
> meaningless words, as empty as the question of whether you support the
> people of Iowa.
>    "That of course, is just the point: to reduce the population to
> gibbering idiots, mouthing empty phrases and patriotic slogans, waving
> ribbons, watching gladiatorial contests and the models designed for
> them by the PR industry, but, crucially, not thinking or acting.
> 
> 	--Noam Chomsky, "Post War Teach-In," _Z_, Apr. '91

Actually, by observation I've come to the conclusion that the FASTEST way to 
become a gibbering idiot is to take the Noamster any more seriously than say,
Rush Limbaugh or Howard Stern....  :)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Readership for the s.c.a. groups
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:58:44 GMT

This is in reply to HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels), who wrote:
:.
:Just how many bboards are on usenet anyway?  499's OK by me.

I think 6,700 was the last number I read, so yessir it is.  The
way I looked at it, I imagined bein editor of a publication with
17,000 circulation.  And good demographics too!

I'm grateful for all the eyes the read and minds that reply,
even I guess for the knuckleheads.

Aaron


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Soldiers Monument Unvieled at Pentagon
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:38:39 GMT

kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:

>In article <jumper.718902303@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:

>>I think and act more than Chomsky or other self-styled pundits give me credit
>>for.  And I am willing to bet so do the rest of people in this country.
>>Quotes like the above seem to imply that most people are simply idiots in the
>>first place and cannot see bull**** as what it is; only pundits like CHomsky
>>and compnay can and it is their divine duty to "enlighten" us.

>In case you ain't in the know, The Average Person has an average IQ, by 
>definition.  Never underestimate the power of the PR industry. Look at how
>many idiots The Average Person votes into office every year....

As a statistical reminder, it is extremely possible for there to be no such
thing as the "average".  It can be simply a mathmatical construct that has no
real world counterpart.  Since the IQ scale does not get into decimal places
it defintely means there is no such things as the "average" IQ.  

PR in of and itself cannot be the reason politicans are in office.  The
politican who consistently is re-elected is there for a reason--she/he is
serving her/his constiuents(sp).  So while not discounting the _influence_ of
media I do not consider it the boogey-man either.


He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 11:32:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <2923@nlsun1.oracle.nl> by jdurbin@nl.oracle.com (Jason Durbin):

> Uh, pardon me? You've just elevated most third world dictatorships to the
> status of "good civil societies" and demoted most every nation in Europe
> to "unfair" (and , perhaps unenlightened by you definitions) societies.

I disagree with the substance of his argument if not the conclusion.

> Do you know J.J.C. Martillo perchance?

If it's the same Martillo I'm thinking about, he's a pretty cool dude.  The
"Hammer" knows the deal.... :)

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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 13 Oct 1992 21:38:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

/*
With all the talk of "racial preservation" and "throwbacks," here's a
program to help you decide how you might contribute.  If you know or
can guess you and your partner's gene combination for skin color
(BBBBBB is black as coal tar; WWWWWW is pure, all Amerikan lily white),
you can figure your chances of lightening or darkening the race.
Just choose your shades, and then decide which children to keep!

--- "On the net, no one can hear your sarcasm."
*/

#define min(a,b) ((a) <= (b) ? (a) : (b))
#define max(a,b) ((a) >= (b) ? (a) : (b))

void getways();

main()
{
   static int nblack[7] = { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 };
   int nmother,nfather,mmin,mmax,fmin,fmax,mways[4],fways[4],cways[7],i,j;
   static char *color[7] = { "WWWWWW", "BWWWWW", "BBWWWW", "BBBWWW",
                             "BBBBWW", "BBBBBW", "BBBBBB" };
   char *parent = "MOTHER", choice[80];
   while(1) {
      printf("\n      choose %s\n          1. BBBBBB\n          2. BBBBBW\n \
         3. BBBBWW\n          4. BBBWWW\n          5. BBWWWW\n \
         6. BWWWWW\n          7. WWWWWW\n          Q. QUIT\n",parent);
      scanf("%s",choice);
      if(choice[0] == 'q' || choice[0] == 'Q')
         break;
      if(choice[0] < '1' || choice[0] > '7')
         continue;
      if(strcmp(parent,"MOTHER") == 0) {
         nmother = 7 - choice[0] + '0';
         parent = "FATHER";
         continue;
      }
      else
         nfather = 7 - choice[0] + '0';
      mmax = min(nblack[nmother],3);
      mmin = max(nblack[nmother]-3,0);
      fmax = min(nblack[nfather],3);
      fmin = max(nblack[nfather]-3,0);
      getways(mways,nblack[nmother],mmin,mmax);
      getways(fways,nblack[nfather],fmin,fmax);
      for(i = 0; i < 7; i++) cways[i] = 0;
      for(i = mmax; i >= mmin; i--)
         for(j = fmax; j >= fmin; j--)
            cways[i+j] = cways[i+j] + mways[i]*fways[j];
      printf("\n   %s (X) %s\nchild  way(s)   chance\n",
         color[nmother],color[nfather]);
      for(i = mmax+fmax; i >= mmin+fmin; i--)
         printf("%s %6d %6.2f %%\n",color[i],cways[i],(float) cways[i]/400*100);
      parent = "MOTHER";
   }
}

void getways(ways,nblack,minblack,maxblack)
int ways[], nblack, minblack, maxblack;
{
   int i, j, k;
   float x;
   for(i = maxblack; i >= minblack; i--) {
      x = 1;
      for(j = nblack, k = i; k > 0; j--, k--)
         x = x * j / k;
      for(j = 6-nblack, k = 3-i; k > 0; j--, k--)
         x = x * j / k;
      ways[i] = x;
   }
}
From: rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Racism - Language
Summary: if any of "you people" care
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:45:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T

> 
> I would like to add to those examples: Cracker, redneck, honky, WASP,etc.
> 
> However, I prefer to never use this terms.  In order for us to end racism, we
> must be cautious in the words we use to describe other races of people.

I'm certainly only one Caucasoid with one opinion, but I do observe...

Many white folks hereabouts in Georgia are proud to be Crackers
and Rednecks.  Probably not so thrilled if one of "you people"
as Mr Perot says would call us that with an edge on in your
voice and an N to 1 numbers advantage... where N >= 2

Honky is only half a word in Causcasoid Georgian.  Our other half is
Tonk.  Please don't Honky me to my face.

I know of no Caucs who are offended by being called WASP.  It is
purely descriptive like Baptist or A.M.E. or C.O.G.I.C.

Bobby - akgua!rjb  [SAWB - Smart Ass White Boy per Andrew Young, 1984]
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:19:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <wephiF600WBLA1KqsZ@andrew.cmu.edu> Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
}Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 10-Oct-92 Re:
}Pessimism by ;;;;7202@violet.berkeley 
}> has gene flow occurred throughout and between populations in Europe
}> and Africa for many centuries, but it is impossible to define the
}> features of a Caucasian or African in any scientifically precise
}> way.  Continuous gradations of features from one extreme to another
}> simply preclude any notion of racial purity.
}
}In order to make a statement either way, you'd have to first define
}racial purity... perhaps in generations... four?  five? seven?...
}
}For all practical purposes however, there are a great many whites who
}are "white..."

"Practical purposes" is quite sufficient when your talking culture or
sociology.  However, in tracing genetic lineage, relations run much
deeper.  And again, there are southerners who are certain of their
white racial purity and then cross to have a black child.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Me and Wesley
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:30:10 GMT

The smidgen I put out regarding my relationships with both black and
white men should be taken as a cautionary note.  Despite the rather
"human" aspect of these accounts, I think that in some of the
black/white relationships including those not mentioned, there was
a dearth of cultural empathy which would not be missing if I had
been going with a brother. You can talk loud, step on a dime, know
where you are coming from with a brother.  Simple, but hard-won
knowledge.  In some of my relationships, I felt I had to give up, in
some fashion, my black womanness to be with a white guy.  How can I
explain it?  In an ideal b/w relationship, there is give and take.
You adopt, you flourish, you borrow, you relate, you create your
own language with each other.  Unfortunately, this doesn't normally
happen.  Sometimes it can, but you have to fight to keep your own
identity so that you are not subsumed.
.
I prefer being with a brother in my old age (38, this year). I think
that after having my time to hoopla, I'm not into settling for less.
 A white guy would have to almost come from the same cultural
setting (on top of the intellectual stuff, et al) to deal with me
these days.  On the other hand, I'm not adverse to them.  Like I
said, some are worse than others. But I'm not going to fool myself
that they are the sole answer to black heterosexual women's manless
problems.
.
When I saw Wesley Snipes for the first time, man...I nearly ate my
fingertips while crunching popcorn. I know Daniel Day-Lewis gives me
a thrill, too.  But there's a difference.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: African-American Literature and History for the Young
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:02:56 GMT

:In article <1992Oct5.163759.15720@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> bld5g@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Beneita Lavon Dennis) writes:
:>	However, most of the literature which expresses the
:>beauty and importance of our history is written at a level that
:>is beyond the understanding of the average elementary
:>student.  Therefore, if anyone knows of books or films about
:>African-American history or that have African-Americans as the
:>main character which will appeal to a young mind please email
:>me at bld5g@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
:

Silver Burdett Press, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, recently published
a bevy o books on A-A leaders, Stokely, Fannie Lou, and half a dozen
others.  All accessible to, oh, 6th graders up?  I don't know about those
things but keep watch on the publisher.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jthomp@mainz-emh2.army.mil (JEFFREY THOMPSON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re:  A Matter of a Will
Date: 8 Oct 1992 06:18:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Mr. Haley might have intentionally done this. It's not thhe first time.
Maybe he had too many greedy, ungrateful and intolerable family members.
Thhe man was too intelligent to come to any other conclusion.

That's one man's opinion and a valid one.

Jeff Thompson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american