Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:17:05 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 582

In this issue:
                               sig-files
                             Boston Roomies
                                  Help
               Pomo Afro Homos Fri july 31 in LOS ANGELES
                       Bush goes down, down, down
                               John Cage
                             Kevin is rude
                           NY age of consent
                         Are we quite finished?
                           Short Wave Queers

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Date: 27 Jul 92 23:49:21 EDT
From: Thanalakshmi.Subramaniam@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: sig-files

in reply to kevin:
pur-leeze. theres a big difference between a quote that refers to women as
fish and a quote that points out that women are often categorised as either
sex objects or mindless idiots, thus making *feminist* a bizzarre state of
existence. why u would feel a quote like that is volatile is beyond me.
also, big difference between the rape scene in Prince of Tides and rape scene
in Wild at Heart is the fucked up mushing of rape fantasies in Wild At Heart.
i also never suggested that David Lynch shld have taken the scene out or
whatever. i just said that that one scene in Wild at Heart bothered me
because of the misogynist attitude.
peace and hot potatoes,
shimi

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:02 MST
From: MULVANEY@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Boston Roomies

	I am moving to Boston in Sept. and wondering if anyone knows
of a lesbian roomate service.  Any info on where I could get good
general orientation basics would be helpful.
						thanks!  Shelagh
						Mulvaney@ARIZRVAX

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:49:15 EDT
From: bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu (Brian McConnell)
Subject: Help

Can someone please send me the address of the gaynet news service,
not this list, but the commercial news network for glb media.

Thanks,

Brian McConnell
bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu

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Subject: Pomo Afro Homos Fri july 31 in LOS ANGELES
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:18:08 -0500
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

POMO AFRO HOMOS, a Black Gay performance/comedy group consisting of Brian
Freeman, Eric Gupton and Djola Bernard Branner, will be at the HIGHWAYS
Performance Space in Santa Monica July 30-August 1.

I'm thinking of trying to see a bunch of Queer Motsseurs and Gaynetters at
the Friday July 31 performance at 8:30pm. So if yu are interested in meeting
other Queer Computer network types, call 1-213-660-8587 before 7pm PST for
$12 tickets to the show. HIGHWAYS is at 1651 18th Street, which is just off
Olympic Blvd. [I was there last Saturday for THE FLIRTATIONS concert---it was
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaabuulous! :-)]

See ya there!

I'll be in town till the 14th of August, anyway, if people want to get together
some other time...

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 54 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8919 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:47:54 EDT
From: romickle@vassar.edu
Subject: Bush goes down, down, down

Just heard on the radio that in NY State, Bush's approval rating is LOWER
THAN RICHARD NIXON'S TWO DAY'S BEFORE HE ANNOUNCED HIS RESIGNATION!!!  They
say Clinton's statewide approval rating is 58%, Bush's %24, and 14% are
undecided.  Who says all the news is bad these days? :)
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         romickle@vassar.edu      \      /  Box 2699, Vassar College
         romickle@vassar.bitnet    \    /    Poughkeepsie NY 12601
 "I wear black on the outside 'cos  \  /      (914) 451- 2031
  black is how I feel on the inside" \/
               -Morrissey , newfound black activist?
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"You can show some of the people their sexism some of the time, and some of
the people all of the time, but certain people you can't show no matter
what!  What's a girl to do?  Guess I'll go fishing..." -- Derrick, feeling
especially evil today.

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From: mjsgc@med.unc.edu (Mario J.S.P. Gagnon)
Subject: John Cage
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 9:28:54 EDT

Dear Fellow Netters,

While I know that this net seems to be mostly for social and political
commentary, I would like to post a request for information for all or any
of you regarding the composer John Cage.  Over the past several years, I
have noticed that he has been included in many lists referring to our
major gay composers, including Copland, Bernstein, Corliagno, et al.

However, I have not even seen any documentation of any kind regarding
Cage, either from correspondence, personal letters, comments,
ex-boyfriends, the works.  If anyone out there has any substantive
information about this, please send it to me at

                  mjsgc@med.unc.edu

I would be most appreciative for any kind of assistance.

Thanks.

Mario

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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 92 09:31:52 EDT
From: "Donna M. Riley" <DMRILEY%PUCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      Kevin is rude

Kevin, I am not telling you that you don't have the *right* to be rude all
over gaynet, but I am telling you that I found your recent several messages
(you took up more than half of that issue) annoying, unnecessary, and
outright disrespectful of others. Just because you have the right to say
whatever you want doesn't mean you have to take up all the space on gaynet
with your invectives to claim that right.

If you really supported the women's movement, you would show those of us
who post feminist ideas some respect.

Donna

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From: COULPETG.JABBA@law.mail.cornell.edu (COULPETG)
Subject: NY age of consent
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 10:40
X-Force-Noop: COULPETG.JABBA@law.mail.cornell.edu

For the person (sorry I forgot your name) who wanted to know what
the New York age of consent is for male homosexual sexual
contact:

DISCLAIMER:  I am NOT a lawyer.  I am a student who has finished
one year of law school and most of a summer working in the
school's legal aid clinic.  The following is merely the results
of some preliminary research I've done this morning and should
not be construed as thorough legal advice.  [I'd don't want to
see a girlfren' in trouble because of someone relying only on
what cursorary research I've done.]


1st.  New York does not distinguish between heterosexual and
homosexual sexual contact in regards to the age of consent.  A
person is deemed incapable of consent if s/he is less than
SEVENTEEN years old.  (130.05 Sex offenses; lack of consent --
McKinney's Consolidated Laws of New York, Penal Law, Art. 130,
Pt. 3)

2nd.  A person who engages in "deviate sexual intercourse" with
another person without their consent has committed sexual
misconduct, a class A misdemeanor.  (130.20 Sexual misconduct)
     "Deviate sexual intercourse" is defined to include "sexual
conduct between persons not married to each other consisting of
contact between the penis and the anus, the mouth and penis, or
the mouth and the vulva."  (130.00 Sex offenses; definitions of
terms)

3rd.  While New York does have consensual sodomy statutes "on the
books" which make all consensual "deviate sexual intercourse" a
class B misdemeanor, the New York Court of Appeals (the highest
court in the state) ruled in 1980 that the crime was in violation
of the federal constitution's right to privacy.  [People v.
Onofre, 51 N.Y.2d 476]  Even though this was before Bowers v.
Hardwick, an overturning of Onofre in the New York courts is
highly unlikely and thus it remains binding law.  The other
sodomy statutes have been interpreted by the courts to refer only
to sodomy committed by forcible compulsion, in other words rape.


In New York, the commission of sexual misconduct is a strict
liability offense.  That is, even if the person under 17 is
expressing what appears to be voluntary, informed consent, the
defendant can still be convicted of the crime.  In fact, even if
the person under 17 misrepresents her/his age, the defendant can
still be convicted.  This is, of course, not the only crime for
which someone engaging in sexual contact with someone below the
age of 17 can be convicted of.

Glean from this what you will.  What happens in life and what
happens under the law are two separate realities.

Queries should probably be posted to me directly.

Peter Coulombe
Cornell Law School '94

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:33 EST
From: XXHARK@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU
Subject: Are we quite finished?

Kevin Lowery wrote:

>If you don't have anything constructive to say...

Indeed. Could all (--including the above author--) please
consider this point? I see NOTHING constructive in this argument
the way it's being waged. It *could* be constructive if people
would stuff their pathetic attitudes and ridiculous posturing
back into the shitpile where they belong. I'd laugh at you all if
it weren't such an embarrassing spectacle.

In short, to everyone who's raging over sigfiles:

     ************************
     **  IS IT WORTH IT??  **
     ** Are you happy now? **
     ************************

Sisters, get over it. Please.

James Harkins -- XXHARK@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU

Once again, George Carlin--

"The media keep talking about the ways we're different, so that
we keep fighting with each other, so the rich people can walk off
with all the money."

Think about it.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:26:45 +0200
From: dante@tid.es (Donn Hoffman)
Subject: Short Wave Queers

The shortwave radio bands are dominated by official government
broadcasters who, democratic or totalitarian, capitalist or communist,
have a pretty conservative outlook.  Lesbian and gay voices are
usually squelched.  We are ignored, absent, silent.

But listen up!  In July and August the BBC World Service will present
a six part series titled "The Gay and Lesbian World," promising
interviews with queers from Asia, Africa, America, and Europe.

I heard the first program last week and it was okay, even though the
word "hommah-sex-sual" makes my ears bleed.

* Write to the BBC and tell them they've done good:

    BBC World Service
    Bush House
    London WC2B 4PH
    England


* Tune in the program Fridays at 0730 UTC, 1230 UTC, and 1930 UTC
  (for folks in North America, that's 2:30am, 7:30am, and 2:30pm EST)

The frequencies are:

  49 M    41 M    31 M    25 M    19 M    16 M    13 M
------  ------  ------  ------  ------  ------  ------
 5.975   7.150   9.410  11.760  15.070  17.790  21.470
 6.180   7.325   9.640  11.940  15.280  17.830  21.660
 6.190   7.160   9.760  11.955  15.310  17.885  21.715
 6.195           9.515  12.095  15.360  17.640
 6.180           9.660  11.750  15.400  17.705
 6.195           9.740          15.420  17.880
                 9.750          15.575
                 9.630          15.220


- ---
Donn Hoffman -- Telefonica Investigacion y Desarollo
Internet: dante@humphrey.tid.es    Voice/fax: +34 1 594 52 57
Disclaimer: My employer doesn't know what email is.
* Automatic replies to this message probably won't work.
* If your mailer can't find Spain, try: dante%tid.es@mcsun.eu.net

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