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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Calling all puppy experts! Trouble in Golden City! (long)
Date: 7 Apr 1992 18:41:07 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu
Keywords: please

kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
> I (Terry Hull) wrote:

>>I would introduce the crate slowly.  Introduce the create by putting
>>treats inside for the puppy to go get.  Feed him in the crate.  Pet
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>This seems counterproductive to me, since one of the rationales for
>crating is to house train your dog by keeping it in a "den" which it
>won't soil.  

Two things here.  First, you don't have to shut the door.  You just want him comfortable with the crate.  Second, even if you do shut the door, you take him out very shortly after he is finished eating.  

>Puppies usually need to eliminate soon after eating, and
>most owners make a point of immediately taking their dog outside after
>eating.  By feeding your dog in the crate, you may be causing a conflict
>between the positive feelings for it's den you want to encourage and the
>stress of bowel and bladder control.  Remember, the most effective way
>to help your dog develop good behavior is to prevent the opportunity for
>bad behavior.

You bet.  And since the puppy is less likely to eliminate in his crate
than he is on the living room carpet, feeding him in the crate seems a
lot better than feeding him in one corner of the living room.  When we
were housetraining our puppies, we found after eating the easiest time
to remember to let the puppy out.  After a nap was the hardest,
because the little scamps would wake up and eliminate in the corner
before they would come by and say, "Hi, I'm awake again.  Wanna play?"

We have only fed one puppy in her crate and we did it with the door
open.  This was not to get the puppy comfortable with the crate, but
rather to encourage the other dogs in the house to leave the puppy's
food alone.

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: walls@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:09:29 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

This is an open message to all 11 people who very so very kind to send me
an E-Mail message stating I SHOULD NOT have apologized for the article:
"Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?". Bless all of you!!!1
Oh! Oh! I'm sorry Chris Barnes, I said the word "BLESS"!!!!!!
Oh, God, I mean, "Oh, My Gosh", I feel the flames a' comin'!!!!
Chris, you really blew this out of proportion which leads me to believe
that you need to get a life.  

P.S. I will be posting 2 other articles on the love humans have for animals.

Kindly kill them Cris, we don't want to upset you.


Bonnie J. Walls
From: mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Friendly dogs as Protection??
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:29:06 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

In article <1992Apr2.230436.2774@news.iastate.edu> sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott) writes:
#>In article <28610@brahms.udel.edu> thuyan@brahms.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
#>>I have a 3year old husky named Sheba.  She is VERY friendly and loves

#>>So, I claim that if I was ever threatened, I mean truly threatened where
#>>I was scared, Sheba would be as much protection as the Rottie mix.  I
#>>contest that a dog does not have to be vicious all the time to be
#>>protection.  She claims Sheba is too docile and friendly to be of any
#>>protection. 

I agree that a dog doesn't have to be mean to be protective, but I think
it needs a protective instinct to be protective.  In my experience
(I own two Malamutes) many northern breeds are NOT protective of
their owners.  My dogs love all people - they treat friends and strangers
the same way.  I think the only way they would help me is by either
scaring someone because of their size or by hurting them while
pinning them down to lick their face.

They would also gladly welcome anyone into my home.

Sheperd-type dogs have a territorial instinct and an instinct to
"protect the flock".  Most northern breeds do not.

I also remember reading that there were attempts to malamutes as guard
dogs that failed because they could not be trained to be protective.

So although a dog doesn't have to be vicious to be protective, in
my experience a Husky is not a protective breed.
--
Mike Mayer                                             mikem@heurikon.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com (Michael Bradley)
Subject: kuvasz owners - request for correspondence
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:17:33 GMT

I am close to putting down a deposit for a kuvasz
puppy. I would like to correspond with other
owners to discuss both the puppy selection 
process and early training (important if you
want a socially responsible kuvasz).

 Thanks
   Michael Bradley
   bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com
From: kudzu@tfs.com (Michael Sierchio)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Heeling advice requested
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:27:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr17.162738.8430
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

In article <1992Apr17.021339.2845@acsu.buffalo.edu> 
	riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>
>Something that helped us get our German Shepherd to heel better
>was to do an "about-face" turn whenever he started getting away.
>That way, he had to stay closer to us to watch where we were
>going.

Yes, yes -- but *don't* do this with a six-month old dog!

See:	William Campbell, _Behavior Problems in Dogs_, AVMA, 1975

Just because *you* haven't seen problems doesn't mean  they aren't
common --  they are, apparently.

-- 
Michael Sierchio                               TRW Financial Systems
kudzu@tfs.com                                     1947 Center Street
                                             Berkeley, CA 94704-1105
(MKS2)                                                  510.704.3380
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:00:47 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr7.030603.17675@oz.plymouth.edu>
    michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
 
>As for the suggestion to tatoo the dog, this is a great idea check
>with your vet about it, and if he does not do this you can purchase a
>kit to do it yourself, and it's fairly inexpensive.
 
 
   Does anyone have a phone number or address of a company that
sells them?  If it's cheap enough, I may try to convince my
retirever club to buy one.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
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From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: heeling and attention
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:23:36 GMT

I attended a really great obedience seminar
given by Amy Ammen, co-author of "Dual Ring
Dog."

She said one of the most popular questions
she is asked has to do with dogs paying attention
while you are trying to teach them to heel.

Her method worked pretty well (although I don't
like the idea of doing it with a 15 foot leash
cause too many dogs go their paws caught up
in them.)

Put Fluffy on a 6 foot leash with either a
choke collar (not prong) or flat collar.
Hold the loop of the leash in your right hand
and keep your hand against your waist.  Loop
the slack over the thumb of that hand.  Walk
around the back yard and when Fluffy walks
past you and is not paying attention, turn 180 degrees,
drop the slack from the leash and RUN!  Fluffy
will get turned around and will have to follow.
As soon as the leash is slack STOP moving.  Say
"good Fluffy", pick up the slack and walk around
the yard again.  When ever Fluffy goes ahead of
you and she can't see you, drop slack, turn and RUN
again.  NO dog during that seminar had to have this
done to them more than twice - she COULDN"T get
a dog to mess up after that.

Also, when you do this, don't JERK the leash like
a correction.  You want a constant pull and if you
keep your hand against your waist a jerk on the leash
won't happen.

She said to start out with a 15 foot leash, but as
I said, too many dogs were tripping and I'd be afraid
of dislocating something.

Hope this makes sense and is some help.

Ellen
From: spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: why pekingese
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:03:38 GMT
Reply-To: spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies


Hey Mike, you really ought to get that darn keyboard fixed.  Looks like
you meant to post to rec.pets.penis, and somehow your posting got into
rec.pets.dogs.

The same bug seems to have substituted "smart" for "mentally challenged."

Oh well ... we all figured it out anyway : )

Scott



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From: billuw@turtle.oakhill.uucp (Bill Underwood)
Subject: Re: neutering and spaying
Organization: SPS CAD, Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas.
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:34:13

Esa Viitala writes:
> Marget Johnson writes:
>  >Surely you jest!  Ovaries and testes are necessary equipment for
>  >saving lives?  The relationship between sex drive and heroic
>  >behavior or working ability is not intuitively obvious.
> You sound as if you've never worked with Search and Rescue dogs. 
>
> I'd like to discuss this subject with you after you've collected, say,
> 10 years of experience on the theme. Or maybe it isn't intuitively obvious 
> to you that experience would make you better qualified in such a
> discussion?

Actually, neither of these points are intuitively obvious to me.  Esa, why
do you think it is obvious that sexually intact dogs will be superior at
search and rescue?  Or is it just that you are unsure that neutering would
not harm their ability and would therefore recommend that it be avoided
until there was conclusive evidence?

The reason I don't find it obvious that sex organs are relevant to working
ability is that there are a great many working dogs in the world who have
been neutered.  While all these dogs may be working at an inferior level,
I am not convinced that this must be true.  I wouldn't find any number of
years working with dogs in search and rescue (or any other particular
activity) to make one better qualified to discuss this issue if all those
years were spent working only with neutered dogs or only with intact dogs.
Since the question is how those two types of animals would differ, the
relevant experience would be working with both types of dogs (which you may
have done).

Bill Underwood
From: richard@bach.udel.edu (Richard Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: seen the Carl books yet?
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:59:48 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <kup12fINNp8m@male.EBay.Sun.COM> janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 2948@vax.muskingum.edu, geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu () writes:
>> The other reviews reminded me--has everyone checked out the "Carl" books?
>> 
>> They're children's books, and each just has one or two sentences--one in the
>> beginning, and one in the end. I don't want to write more because it could
>> spoil them for you. They're absolutely charming, and worth
>> going to a bookstore just to check them out! . . . And I don't even have a
>> Rottie!
>

Our 31.5 month old son gets Good Dog Carl out to look at on his
own now.  Have to keep telling him it's a silly book!  Am afraid
that otherwise he will try some of the stuff with our Ridgeback!
My wife wouldn't let him look at it when he was about 18 months
old.  Had to make sure he understood "silly" first.  :)


-- 
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CNS User Services, Smith Hall          or  gordon@udel.edu
University of Delaware                 or  acs02244@udelvm.bitnet
Newark, DE 19716 USA (302-831-1717)    or  richard.gordon@mvs.udel.edu
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re: doggie out-house (doggie dooley)
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:45:37 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Yeah, we have one and it works well.  We do need
another now that we have TWO Newfoundlands - it's
just too much, well, crap!

Imagine a bucket, with a hole in it, but around the
hole is a "sleeve."  The idea is that you fill the
contraption with water up to the top of the sleeve,
drop in poop and enzymes and let the enzymes go to
work for 24 hours.  Tomorrow, add more poop (you'll
always have a great supply!) and about 2 quarts of
water.  The stuff that overflows the top of the sleeve,
and goes into the ground, is the digested poop
material.  Eventually all the enzymes get washed
out (or too full to eat, burp!) and you add another
tablespoon full in a week or so.

Place the dooley in a sandy spot that doesn't flood
when it rains.  Ours is in a bad spot and after all
the rain we had last September, we had to stop using
it.  The enzymes only work above 40 degrees so it is
not usable all year in most areas.

DON"T figure "if two quarts of water is good than
two gallons is better" or "if one tablespoon of enzymes
is good, so two is better" like I did - if it's not
the right mix, the enzymes don't work.

I'm GREATLY impressed that this thing does NOT attract
flies OR the dogs, and does not smell bad when I open
it - of course the lid does not open very far.

We have the plastic one - there is also an aluminum
one that costs more but is the same size.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Re: Outdoor Dogs vs Indoor Dogs
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:14:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.195329.20333@auto-trol.com> bradav@auto-trol.com (Brad Davidson) writes:
>I see some people stating that Outdoor dogs are worse off than Indoor dogs
>and that they will not bond to the pack, etc... Not True!

> stuff deleted

>Now before the flamers jump all over me for my position I spend as much
>time as I can with my dogs. They get as much attention as they want and
>that is still more than most dogs around town.

  I think that is point we wre trying to make Brad.  If you read my original
followup to the post asking about a pet outdoor only dog, I said that having
outdoor only dogs is fine if they get lots of attention from their pack
leader (in this case, you).  Working dogs, by definition, get lots of 
interaction from their leader because dogs don't just train themselves.  You
HAVE to spend time with them just to teach them what they have to know to
work.
  I think that in the post the started all this, however, a dog for a five-year
old boy, it is clear that this would be a pet only.  Even then, keeping the
dog outside all the time is FINE, as long as the people spend lots of time
with the dog.  Do you honestly think that a five-year old can be counted on
to do this reliably?  It didn't sound like the mother wanted to (it just
sounded like she wanted the dog to be out of the way and as little trouble
to her as possible).  If the dog were inside, at least it could share their
company by lying at their fee while they watched TV, for example, and wouldn't
be AS lonely.  That is all anyone here was pointing out.  I think that it
is great that you take such good care of your dogs.  You have alot to be 
proud of.

Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov
From: clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: MY DOGS STINK!
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:03:58 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <49322@athertn.Atherton.COM>, caroline@athertn.Atherton.COM (Caroline Shuttle) writes:
> I have two lab/Shepard mixes both neutered males.  I give them baths once 
> a month because they stink so much.  I also at the same time wash their
> comforters.  Is it the food making them smell so bad?  Or is it because
> they play so much in the back yard?  Is there anything I can give them to
> make them smell less?  I use the coal tar type shampoo which seems to work
> for a short while.
> 
> Caroline
> caroline@atherton.com                        
> 



> ]

DEAR CAROLINE,
YOU ARE WASHING YOUR DOGS TOO OFTEN. IS THE SHAMPOO YOU USE FOR DOGS OR HUMANS?
IF YOU WASH THE DOGS TOO OFTEN THEN YOU COULD DO DAMAGE TO THEIR SKIN AND
COATS.
IT IS A FACT OF LIFE THAT DOGS DO SMELL, THEY LIKE TO SMELL AND WILL ROLL
IN ANY FOUL SMELLING MATERIAL THAT THEY CAN GET NEAR, ESPECIALY DEAD FISH
AND SHIT. YOUR DOGS PROBIBALY ROLL ABOUT IN THE BACK YARD TO PICK UP THE 
SMELL OF THE AREA, BECAUSE IT IS IN THERE NATURE TO DO SO AND THERE IS 
VERY LITTLE YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, REMEMBER THAT DOGS COME FROM WOLFS AND THAT
THEY NEEDED TO CAMIFLAGE THERE DOG SMELL WHEN GOING HUNTING.
THE ONLY THING TO DO IS ACCEPT THAT IT IS A PART OF THERE NATURE AND PUT
UP WITH IT
ID
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:43:25 GMT
Subject: mac with the akbash
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Hi Mac---

      I screwed up and lost your address. Please post me back. 

 ***It's about the Akbash dogs*****


                                                 reykja
From: audi@tellabs.com (Audi McGee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: i'm back
Keywords: na
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:38:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.

hi guys!

i was sick ALL of last week, just wanted to let 
you all know i'll get to your e-mail as soon
as i can, i've got over 178 messages to read. :)

take care and i hope the "bugs" won't get you!

audi
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From: prichard@devon.larc.nasa.gov
Subject: book review; "Dogs", by Rien Poortvliet
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:13:02 GMT


The following is a highly subjective review of the book "Dogs" by
Rien Poortvliet, Harry N. Abrams, Inc, Publishers, 1983.  The review is
disjoint because the book is also without overt structure.

Rien Poortvliet's work will be familiar to anyone lurking in mall
bookstores.  He is the artist who did the Gnomes stuff.  He is Dutch, but
his grasp English is better than that of most American high school students.

"Dogs" is an artist's and  dog-lover's celebration of man's best friend.
Each page is an illustration or collection thereof, with some narration
or description.  The illustrations range from charcoal drawings to
full oil-on-canvas work.

Many breeds are reviewed as an artist's exercise.  Then a review of his
household dogs is covered.  various bird-hunting episodes with his GSP
are discussed.  the joys and trials of two new puppies also appear.
Vignettes of the relationship between dog-people and human people are
given.

Now the above does not read like a supportive review.  Yet I have the
highest opinion of the book (and the author).  Merely from the accuracy
of the artwork, and the way he has captured the character of the various
breeds, it is obvious he really knows dogs.  The facial and posture
expressions of breeds I have known personally are remarkably accurate.
Humor often appears, both making fun of dogs and their owners (not to mention
dog-catchers).  He also deals sensitively with aging and death.

Well, a picture is worth a thousand words.  Head down to your local library
or bookstore (same thing for fast readers ;) ) and see for yourself.  I hope
it still is in print, as I am going to order it at the mall next time I
go there (ISBN 0-8109-0809-3).  If one is going to have coffee-table books,
this is the caliber one should have.

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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Females More 'Family Oriented'?
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:59:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44385
Organization: Purdue University

In article <19323@sybase.sybase.com> joe@pluto.sybase.com () writes:
>Does anyone with experience of male and female dogs care to
>comment on the notion that female dogs tend to be more 
>'responsible' and concerned towards their family, whereas
>males are more concerned with their turf (territorial)?
>

First of all I have both a male and a female, intact collie.  Both
are wonderful dogs, but my female is no more family orentated than
my male.  My parents have always groaned when ever I asked for a male
dog.  They have always believed that female dogs are better with
children, easier to train, and better about staying in the yard.
They never gave a male dog half a chance.  Since I was a child, we've
always had female dogs (all spayed).  When I deceided to start doing
some dog showing, my parents would only accept a female collie in
the yard.  After my first litter, I wanted to keep a gorgious sable
male pup.  Not a chance!  (and our other dog suddenly got seriously sick that
year so we didn't have the time or money for another dog at that time).
So I had to wait.  My next litter (two years later) had a gorgous
female sable and a gorgous male tri puppy.  I knew I was heading for
college for the long haul and didn't want to get another female because
that would require a quick show career and a long time before I bred her
later.  I also knew the sire was getting up there in age and this
would be his last litter.  I wanted a MALE!  What a fight!  No way
not possible!  Was all I heard.  I finally convinced them that this
was the best for me and my efforts in collies.  OK (grudgingly).
So we kept my little Wolfie.

Well, next year I have a house rented for down here at school.
I told my partents that I'd be taking the dogs off their hands.
Their answer "OH NO NOT WOLFIEEEE!"  He's my dad's son he never had.
Mom thinks he is SOOO much more friendly than Mauii.  Mom is now
fighting for Wolfie's first puppy with me.  Dad is pouting about
me taking him.  Now why aren't they fighting over Mauii like that?

I, personally, perfer males over females after having Wolfie.
Mauii is great, but she isn't as attentive to everything in
the area and to me, as Wolfie is.  Wolfie is extrememly good
with the family and Mauii just likes me.  

It just depends on your preference.  Males tend to be more
outgoing than females, if you have very small children, you may
want a more reserved female.  

It's more of a personal choice.  Besides, it is cheaper to have a male
neutered than to spay a female.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
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