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From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Write Gov. Romer
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:13:03 -0700
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: co
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

I've limited distribution of this article to Colorado,
although I'm sure it will leak out.

I was at the Denver Gay Men's Chorus annual retreat this past weekend;
it gave us a good chance to catch our breath after a stressful week.
One of the choir members is a policy advisor to Romer.  Roy has been
very supportive of us in the last week and has been getting lots of
flak, both through the media and phone calls.  Phone calls have been
running 4-1 against his support of the gay community.

Anyway, rather than calling Romer, do write him a letter.  Even if
it's in crayon on a napkin, WRITE!  And get your friends, lovers,
co-workers to write also.  Roy Romer needs to know that we support
him, that the vocal minority is just that, a vocal minority.

His address is, again:

Governor Roy Romer
136 State Capitol
Denver, CO
	80302


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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ugly sounds
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:50:33 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Matthew Melmon (mattm@apple.com) wrote:
 
> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) wrote:
> 
> > I'm bored.  You're a distraction.
> 
> So which is it, Pootsie?  Laughably ineffectual or a distraction?
> If such dazzling minds as yours find me a distraction, ....

Gnats are also a distraction.

--jns  ["So are flies -- particularly on Jason
         Priestly" is the obvious snappy comeback.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:26:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov06.140028.37912@watson.ibm.com>
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>does anyone else hate this
["P" Robertson]
>dude as much as i do?

Gee, I don't know, I think he's kind of cute.

--John
-- 
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johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || with the sunshine faces
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||   -- My Bloody Valentine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Homsexuals rasing children(question)
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:19:37 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, king@meaddata.com (Mike King) wrote:
>Are "children" of homosexual parents ostrisized by the other children?
>If so, how do the parents deal with it?
> 
>Do the "children" grow up normal?  And no, by normal I don't mean
>heterosexual.  In other words, do they have any emotional problems or
>problems with relationships?

What are "children"?



       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:56:42 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

thaaang writes:

>'I'm a minor German princess myself, but...'

Hmmm.  I was going to pipe up and say "diminished", but you are so much
more *interesting* when you are, ah, "augmented".

I had better watch what I say around here; if I don't see sharp, I'm
gonna be flat.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
From: cgross@.informix.com (Cary Gross)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pat Robertson
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:15:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: cgross@jupiter

Last night as I was flipping through the channels (having just moved here
from San Francisco I havent't memorized the stations yet) I came across
Presdident-Elect Clinton speaking.  I found his speech interesting, but
was taken back when the speech was over and Pat and his "friends" were
analyzing the speech.  It was very upsetting to here them talk about how
the lost out in Oregon and won in Colorado.  I got even angrier when it
came to the abortion issues in various states.  He basically said that 
America has spoken and that it sanctions the murder of innocent babies.  He
is right, our country was found on the majority rules, but he wasn't willing
to accept that.   This of course led into a prayer session, where he was 
praying for the moral salvation of this country.  That his group should
bind together and get the Republican party back in power.

I cannot understand how anyone can truly call themselves a christian, yet 
be full of so much hate.  I do not need anyone else to tell me how good or
bad my life is.  I have only two people to answer to and that is myself and
God.  IMHO the same applies to any person and there right to choose what is
best for them.

For the first time in my life I am truly comfortable with who I am, yet now
I see all of this hate.  I am truly lucky in that I have never personally 
been exposed to any hate or discrimination(neither family or work).  Knowing
what this country is coming to, I am actually not sure how to react.  On  
another persoal matter,  My Mother was very happy that Measure 9 failed in
Oregon and equally upset about Colorado.  It is a very good feeling to know
the support that I now have from my family.
      
Here in Kansas City, there was an initiative to get a similar proposal on the
ballot.  Fortunately it didn't make this November, but it is only a matter
of time before it does.  I don't know what I can do to try and stop, but I 
am willing to do anything to defeat it.                                             
____    __               __              / cgross@jupiter.informix.com
\  /   /   __  _        / _ _ __ _  _   /  INFORMIX SOFTWARE INC
 \/   /___/-/_/__/_/   /__//_/_/_\ _\  /   Lenexa, KS 
                 _/                   /
I can barely express my own views much less those of my employer's!
From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nationwide lesbigay political organization
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:52:16 EST

In article <1992Nov5.000445.4226@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> 
> I said this recently, but I'll say it again. The religious right,
> those folks waging a holy war against us, are very well organized.
> Aside from the basic organizational structure of churches, they've got
> the Christian Coalition, and Pat Robertson and his TV ministry, and
> other "heros" like Lou Sheldon. They're organized well, they're
> coordinated. Their last volley was successful - they won in Colorado.
> 
> What do we have? There's NGLTF, which doesn't seem to actually
> initiate much (although I'd be glad to find out I'm wrong). There's
> PFLAG, but they aren't exactly a political group. What else?
> 
> All my whining about "we need a nationwide lesbigay rights
> organization" isn't going to amount to much, but I like to think about
> it anyway. What would a queer version of the Christian Coalition mean?
> How would it come about? Isn't the March on Washington the place to
> start? Who would be our leaders?
----------------------
The problem with any type of gay rights organization, both on the local and
national level, is that they spread themselves too thin and they also get
involved with issues that are not related to gay rights.  Abortion, Health
Care, AIDS funding etc. are all very important issues, but to be effective, an
organization has to specialize in one issue for two reasons: to allocate scarce 
resources and to avoid "turning off" people who may support one issue and
oppose another.   

Regarding the effectiveness of NGLTF, I do give money to them and they have
flooded my mailbox with offers for more.  Some of it also seems to have gone to
important races (Clinton, Studds, Frank, etc.).  The problem they may have
raising funds and being effective may stem from competing demands on people's
time and money from other organizations (ACT-UP, Queer Nation, etc.)

So, Nelson, when are you going to start your organization?

Frank


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Frank R. Chloupek 
CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu 
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just a Ohio State University) 

"A neutrino is not a big thing to be hit by." 
-- Douglas Adams "Mostly Harmless"

 

Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:59:20 GMT

In article <dickerso.721589357@fester> dickerso@cpat.stortek.com writes:
>Suicide is NEVER the answer to a social problem!  

Nobody in this discussion is saying it is.  However, to one
particular man who had a lot of problems, the passage of CO-2
was the last straw, and he opted out.
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:44:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45302
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Nov5.095333.26053@hemlock.cray.com> axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell) writes:
>
>So we here in Colorado weren't vigilant enough, eh?  Just sat
>around being complacent, eh?

I, for one, would like to commend the people of Colorado on their fight
against CO-2.  Not all battles can be won and not just victors deserve
praise.  You fought a good fight and I am sure that you are amply capably
of analysing the tactics without finger pointing from outside the state
by those much less involved.  We trust you to post-mortem the campaign 
and are ready to provide whatever help we can.

At our post election rally here in Portland on the 4th, Colorado
and Tampa figured prominently.  You are in the thoughts of the entire
community and the campaign organizers will offer whatever help they can
once the reasons for OR:9's defeat can be clearly identified and
understood.

Unfortunately, for now all I can do is offer moral support and await
word from Colorado as to what actions we should take.  I will not
boycott Colorado products unless directed to do so by the Colorado
community lest I indirectly harm our brothers and sisters living there.
I trust and need your guidence on how to proceed from here.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@jec305.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Nationwide lesbigay political organization
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:55:59 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>All my whining about "we need a nationwide lesbigay rights
>organization" isn't going to amount to much, but I like to think about
>it anyway. What would a queer version of the Christian Coalition mean?
>How would it come about? Isn't the March on Washington the place to
>start? Who would be our leaders?

I would recommend going to the NGLTF _Creating Change_ conference nov 13-15th
in Los Angeles. Whatver national queer leaders we have will most likely be 
there.

I'm gonna be there--anyone else?
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``Clinton-Gore 92!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"Straight White Male Privilege is like bad breath: no one notices they have it,
but if you point it out you're an asshole." -- G. Dauphin, _Village Voice_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Clinton talks to doctor about AIDS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:40:28 GMT

In article <BxIEv9.LG@fig.citib.com> swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter) 
writes:
>
>She's HIV-Positive, and she identified herself as a PWA?? Don't people know
>that there *IS* a difference??

Someone can be HIV+ and have AIDS too, you know.

Some people are HIV+ and have AIDS.
Some people are HIV+ and do not have AIDS.
Some people are HIV- and do not have AIDS. 
There are those who claim that some people are HIV- and have AIDS. 

The article didn't say anything about her health or lack thereof.  Many 
people with AIDS are able to go about their everyday business.  She identified 
herself as a PWA.  What's your point? 

----------


We know Job suffered and we know he was good, even though his friends say
"Well, there's got to be a reason for suffering, so you must have sinned."
When some of my right-wing friends suggest that AIDS is a scourge against
homosexuals, some sort of moral judgement, the answer is in the Book of
Job: It says suffering is no evidence of sin. 

           William Safire, 
           "The First Dissident: The Book of Job in Today's Politics"




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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:33:19 GMT

Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
> 
> In article <BxGLo7.BGt@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike
> Drayton) writes:
> 
> ]Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:
> 
> ]> soc.motss.diesel
> 
> ]Oh, absolutely!  I mean, last Saturday afternoon when I was rebuilding
> ]the vacuum pump, inspecting the bushes, checking my spray pattern,
> ]and measuring the volume delivered, I really _really_ could have used 
> ]some help and support from some other diesel-queens!
> 
> ]> I'd propose soc.motss.sex, but...
> 
> ]I wouldn't be interested in that at all. 
> 
> You would be if I got a chance to show you my glow plugs!

You'll have to get 'em out first.  Sometimes that ain't so easy.

> How many whorespower does yours have?  I love big ones!

Wanna trade bore & stroke measurements?

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel)
Subject: Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:39:54 GMT

In article <1du7ptINNq8k@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> colemk@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matthew K Cole) writes:

>They said that he would be returning to work today or tomorrow, and that  
>they forsaw no problems.  Even Meinhold himself said that he felt that  
>once he got back in, there would be no problems; at least not with his  
>co-workers.
>
>I'm not sure that I agree with this.  They wouldn't let him back on the  
>base the first time even though they were supposed to.  What, or who, is  
>going to make them let him on this time?

According to what I heard on NPR they've agreed to give him his old job
back "while he pursues the case in court." Since the judge threatened to
issue a contempt of court citation against the Defense Department, this
sounds like a hedge to allow them to comply with the judges order and yet
not agree to let him back in permanently.
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RE: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:32:15 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <12NOV92.13585988@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov  
writes:


} [Marky Mark] is very happy to allow the men in gay bars to rip 
} his pants off just like he allows women to do the same at 
} non-gay venues.
}
} Okay?

*gasp* No!

Donald
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: election night
Date: 7 Nov 1992 11:32:01 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

[ sorry for replying to such an old message, I'm still catching up ]

In article <1992Oct26.161449.9849@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>I'm voting for Clinton because of the three major candidates,
>he's the only one who doesn't show a prediliction for 
>dismantling or ignoring the Constition, and the only one who
>shows a concern for or understanding of broader human rights
>issues.

Amen to that!

>But you're right - we MUST get out the vote.  I had occasion
>to drive to New Jersey this weekend, and I was startled by
>the number of Perot signs that I saw along the way.  If that's
>not a sign of human misery, I'm not sure what is.

Perot's people were tearing down Clinton signs and replacing them with
Perot's.  I know this for a fact because I put up about 40 signs in the
Somerset County area (as part of my work with the Somerset County
Democrats) and they were all replaced with Perot's signs within 24
hours).

Thankfully, New Jersey went to Clinton, the first time NJ went
to a Democrat in 28 years.

Tom
-- 
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"TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THIRD" is an anagram for "MANY VOTED, BUSH RETIRED!!!"
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nevada was: (Re: Colorado)
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:11:25 GMT
Reply-To: ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:

> In article <BxDrA5.66q@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu
> (Jim Hubbs) writes:
> >I saw
> >the following bumper sticker on a pickup truck with Nevada tags
> >in Carson City:
> >
> >Burn Fags, not Flags
>
> Not even original.  The same slogan was graffiti'd on the door of the
> UH Women's Center (where the school LGB group meets) last month,
> accompanied by a swastika, and signed "WAR" (White Aryan Resistance).
>
interesting.  up here at umaine at orono, WAR was Women Against Rape,
and they did some really cool or really heinous, all depending on your
viewpoint, grraffiti and stuff aga9inst the fraternities earlier thsi
semester.  the university community was up in arms and everyone was
pissed.  i loved it, myself.

                    `                        -ailsa

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                                                        ________
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                                                 Death    \  /    Life
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:31:15 GMT


In article <BxGLo7.BGt@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike
Drayton) writes:

]Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:

]> soc.motss.diesel

]Oh, absolutely!  I mean, last Saturday afternoon when I was rebuilding
]the vacuum pump, inspecting the bushes, checking my spray pattern,
]and measuring the volume delivered, I really _really_ could have used 
]some help and support from some other diesel-queens!

]> I'd propose soc.motss.sex, but...

]I wouldn't be interested in that at all. 

You would be if I got a chance to show you my glow plugs!
How many whorespower does yours have?  I love big ones!

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.bondage
From: cplumb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Colin Plumb)
Subject: Re: Movie Review - "Marquis"
X-Disclaimer: Nyx's hardware; my words.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 05:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.090748.20130@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>The movie itself is fairly unusual - the actors all wear large puppet
>masks that are animal charicatures. The main characters are the
>Marquis himself, the Marquis' penis Colin, a bishop, the jailer,
>Juliette, Justine, and sundry revolutionaries.

I haven't met that many other Colins, living in North America, so I try
to say hello, but this one...

Um... hello, you sick fuck?
-- 
	-Colin
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Yet another motss flame war
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:33:13 GMT


In article <16794@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

>Previously, Jack B. Newsbaum (ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu) 
>wrote [in article <19921028232740ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu>]:
 
>>        ====Jack====

>whereas more recently he wrote:
 
>>          =Jack=

>Are we to take this as indicating some
>erosion in your commitment to equality?

What commitment?

-- 
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From: misek@solbourne.com (Steve Misek)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: COLORADO CALLING! Here's what you can do (PLEASE!)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 10:30:16 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com


Many people wrote back to me and asked for more facts, and asked what they
can do.  I called The Equal Protection Campaign (EPOCH) and asked them exactly
that question, the following summarizes that information.  Also, PLEASE! call
your local community papers and fax them this information so that we can get
this information to as many people as possible.

All misspellings are mine. :-)

1. PLEASE CALL OUR GOVERNOR AND VOICE YOUR SUPPORT

	Gov. Roy Romer
	303-866-2471

	The other side is inundating him with calls, we need to turn the
	tide.  Romer is VERY supportive of our campaign, and needs to hear
	from people in our state and other states that he is supported.

2. Please follow that up with a note to the Govenor, to thank him for
	supporting our cause.

		Govenor Roy Romer
		136 State Capitol
		Denver, Colorado   80203

3. The current campaign was fought by EPOCH (Equal Protection Campaign)
	If you would like to support their campaign (The No on 2 campaign)
	they'd love to hear from you (and funds would be appreciated as well)

		EPOCH
		P.O. Box 300476
		Denver, Colorado   80203

		303-839-5540 (office)
		303-839-1361 (fax)

		Make checks out to: EPOCH

4. The next campaign will be fought in the courts.  Lambda legal defense has
	already started gearing up for the colorado and national fight:

		Lamda Legal Defense Fund / Colorado Initiative
		CLIP (Colorado Legal Initiative Project)
		P.O. Box 44447
		Denver, Colorado  80201

		Make checks out to: Lambda Legal Defense/Colorado Initiative

More information as I receive it:

steve misek
misek@solbourne.com
misek@parcplace.com