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From: das@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:04:48 GMT
Reply-To: das@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Nov19.201609.18419@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, levesque@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Lucie Levesque) writes:
>
>I agree with Gary; many children react after ingesting sugar
>and those symptoms are REAL.  
>
>I think it is best to avoid sugar when one suffer from sugar
>intolerance.
>
>Bye,
>
>Lucie

I agree that one should avoid sugar when one suffers from sugar intolerance.

I would like to suggest, however, that sugar may not be the only culprit here.
In my struggle to rid my diet of migraine and anxiety inducers I have been
astounded by the heavy infiltration of chemicals and preservatives in our food
supply.  I have singled out several chemicals which will bring on either 
migraines or anxiety anywhere from minutes to hours after I've eaten them.
Most of these are widely used and my diet is slowly but surely coming more
from the fresh fruit, vegetable, bakery and butcher areas of the supermarket
as I grow more and more disgusted with having to read every label on every box
before purchasing an item.  Well known chemicals are monosodium glutamate (MSG)
and sodium nitrates or nitrites.

I am not trying to suggest that childhood hyperactivity is related to adult
anxiety and migraine, but I strongly urge a more natural diet.  The heavily 
sugared treats are also full of preservatives and it's difficult to separate
out exactly who the culprit is, especially in a 3-1/2 yr old child.  One note
of hope:  two years ago I was convinced I could never have sugar again...  
since then I've discovered that l can eat homebaked sweets and some store
bought goodies in moderation.

Good luck!!!

----
Lora M. LeMosy
steege@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (preferred)
I'm not a doctor and all standard disclaimers DO apply!


/
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From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Magnesium Ascorbate?
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Nov14.010907.6246@muddcs.claremont.edu>
	<1992Nov23.185339.9278@news.ysu.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.185339.9278@news.ysu.edu> ag167@yfn.ysu.edu (Barry H. Rodin) writes:

   I have never heard of magnesium ascorbate.
   Is this readily available?

Twinlabs sells capsules they call "Mag-C" which is a mixture of
ascorbate salts, mostly magnesium ascorbate.  I used to take magnesium
ascorbate powder distributed by Life Extension International, but now
they sell a similar mixture of ascorbate salts instead.

   How about phosphorus ascorbate ?

I've never heard of it, and I don't know enough chemistry to say
whether it would be physically possible or not.
--
Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>    CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Eating spoiled food reduces lifetime?
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
	<BSIMON.92Nov16072807@elvis.stsci.edu> <BxtBo1.2L9@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:19:48 GMT

In article <BxtBo1.2L9@acsu.buffalo.edu> psylum@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu 
(Jan Hastrup) writes:

   What is the appropriate storage procedure for olive oil, 
   one of the recommended monounsaturated cooking oils?  
   After reading all this discussion about spoiling/things 
   turning rancid, I tried setting it in the refrigerator, 
   but it got thick and cloudy.  Is room-temperature storage
   all right?

Keep your olive oil in the refrigerator and let it get thick and
cloudy and / or buy it in small amounts and use it quickly.

--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		O tempora! O mores!

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med
From: gcouger@olesun.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
Subject: Re: Comprehensive list of nutritional contents of foods?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:46:14 GMT

In article <DRAND.92Nov19120051@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.044133.3274@nic.csu.net> vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu) writes:
>
>   I am looking for a comprehensive list of foods with their equivalent
>   vitamins/minerals/calories/etc contents; The kind that appears in all
>   the nutrition books.
>

You need to be aware that varieties, cultural practices, and 
weather can have a very large effect on the nutrient make
up of food stuffs. Wheat may vary over 20% in its protein
content due to weather and fertilization. 

The most complete discussion of these variances are in 
Morrision's Feeds and Feeding it should be available in any library.
While the Morrision's deals with livestock, we are but yet another
simple stomached animal about the same size as a pig. There are
some differences  mostly in table manners. Much of the nutritional
research applied to humans is done on hogs. 

Morrison's also has comprehensive table of nutrients of many basic food stuffs.

Gordon

AB5Dg   Agriculture Engineering Oklahoma State University
gcouger@olesun.agen.okstate.edu 405-744-6514 day 744-2794 evenings   
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:42:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.000852.21964@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>So does the lecithin in eggs make the cholesterol in eggs easier to
>metabolise (than, say, the cholesterol in meat) as a result of being
>emulsified?

No.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:33:27 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) wrote:
> Have read many articles over the years re the relationship of "food to mood."
> Dr. Benjamin Feingold promulgated that children's ingestion of food additives
> was a major cause of hyperactivity.  Others (including myself) thought that
> he didn't place enough emphasis on sugar as a culprit.

Another factor: any child on a diet high in sugar and artificial colourings
is also rather likely to have a low intake of fruit juice, fresh fruit and
vegetables, and hence to have vitamin and mineral deficiencies.  These may
affect behaviour too (the only research I know of on this is incomplete)
though obviously this sort of effect isn't the same as the "goes glassy-
eyed after too much sugar" one" - people don't develop vitamin deficiencies
on a timescale of hours.

-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:08:52 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.000710.7084@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>You are correct.  Lecithin is an emulsifier for chocolate bars
>and egg yolks.  Dietary lecithin does not play any role in human
>cholesterol metabolism.  

So does the lecithin in eggs make the cholesterol in eggs easier to
metabolise (than, say, the cholesterol in meat) as a result of being
emulsified?
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
GE knew there was lots of money to be made in the diagnostic medical
machine field since it was only a matter of time before people started
getting sick from the effects of all of GE's toxic and radioactive
waste dumping. I expect GE to get into the Mortuary business next.
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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.fitness
Subject: Fit or Fat Facts?
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:50:50 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Since so many people here keep mentionning it, I picked up a copy of
"The New Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey. Ok, I believe that exercise is
necessary to lose weight, but how substantiated is the assertion here
that fit people burn more calories than fat people, even when idle? 
  It seems to me that from a survival standpoint, back when we were
all evolving, the "fittest" person would be the person who was able to
store energy, not the person who burnt up all their fuel without
storing it. Or do we have two "modes," a "store fat for winter" mode
and a "burn fat like crazy it's summer" mode? 
  This book doesn't have ANY footnotes (bad sign for a science book.)
Is there any research to support these claims?

thanks, Betsy (who is still going to exercise)
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From: craig@kentek.com (Craig Smith 806 1080)
Subject: Re: Request: Information on effects of sugar on mood
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:28:51
Organization: Kentek Information Systems

In article <1992Nov19.044200.9453@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
  
   In article <cindy.139@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
   >I've noticed that whenever my 3 1/2yo son has even a small amount of
   >sugar, he undergoes a drastic change in mood and activity level.
   >He becomes hyperactive (he's isn't normally) and mean-spirited.
   >He bounces on the furniture, dashes about aimlessly, throws hard
   >objects at the family, and has a glassy-eyed look that leads me to
   >believe that he is oblivious to anything I say to him.  Has anyone
   >else experienced this?  Does anyone know what causes it?

   Yes; reading quack books about the horrors of sugar and believing them.

Thank you for that well researched response as well as the supporting evidence
that says feeding sugar to a young child that seems to have a change in behavior
after administered, doesn't really happen because it is all in the mind of
the parent.  

   -- 
   Steve Dyer
   dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Craig Smith
craig@kentek.com
From: avi@seal.imagen.com
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Chromium Picolinate and L-Carnitine
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:50:34 GMT
Reply-To: avi@seal.imagen.com
Organization: none


Hi Folks,

I'm not sure if this is the right group to ask it, but ...

Does anybody know of any clinical studies verifying the effects of
L-Carnitine and Chromium Picolinate as fat burners ? 

Can anybody name natural food sources where L-Carnitine and/or
Chromium Picolinate occur ?

Do these two (or any one of them) work only when complemented with 
aerobic exercises or also with anaerobic (like weight-lifting) or no exercise 
at all ?

Any personal accounts of success or failure ?

Thanks,
From: jaime@unicorn.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Are there any dietary magic bullets to lower cholestrol?
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:56:20 GMT
Reply-To: jaime@austin.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: AIX Technical Support - Austin

> 
> You got it.
> 	HDL/LDL ratio is satisfactory.  Diet is already  
> semi-vegitarian; what red meat that's left is visibly fat free. Resting  
> pulse in the morning is usually 48-52.  And I'm already putting in 75  
> miles a week of exercise.  
> 	At this point the only obvious sources of fat to cut out are  
> milk (currently 2%) and cheese. 
> 	But cholesterol is 250, and the doc wants that to come down.

In some people, high levels of cholesterol are not caused by diet or
lack of exercise but rather by a physiological condition.  Cholesterol 
is transported in the blood stream by use of LDL's.  The cells 'grab' the
LDL by use of LDL receptors.  If a person has either insufficient numbers or
damaged LDL receptors, the stuff just keeps floating around in the blood
stream.
Reducing dietary intake of cholesterol is of no consequence to these folks.
If you ingested zero cholesterol, your liver would just happily create what it
thought it needed.  However, you can reduce the liver's ability to create this 
stuff by limiting your intake of fats.  We have a co-worker who is a
vegetarian,
although I'm not sure if he is vegan (I think he is).  Guy's skinny as a rail.
He also has a cholesterol count of around 280.  He is using medication to 
control it.  This could be your problem.  Wish you well.


Jaime Vazquez			
AIX Technical Support          
IBM AWD-Austin/2830             
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Nutrasweet tastes like sugar?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:23:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov18.182340.21775
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov18.021112.47890@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>On a package of "Equal" (the sugar substitute), it says "Tastes like sugar".
>If you look at the ingredients, the main one is dextrose with 
>maltodextrin.  As far as I know dextrose is another name for
>sugar which confirms the vendors claim that it "tastes like sugar".
>(Because it is sugar.)

That amount of dextrose (without the aspartame) would taste like sugar
if you sampled it from the little blue packet.  It would not "taste like
sugar" if you poured it in a mug of coffee.  Dextrose, in such amounts,
is acting as a carrier for the tens-of-milligrams quantity of aspartame
which is the actual sweetener.  Think of it like cutting heroin with
lactose.  :-)

Indeed, Sweet-n-Low has saccharin, which is even sweeter than aspartame,
and must be cut with lactose or dextrose.  Yet they could never claim
"tastes like sugar".

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: s892011@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mr.Scary (Chapman))
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Drinking during meals - bad ?
Summary: is it bad to drink whilst eating
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:24:40 GMT



I was wondering if drinking liquids (water in my case) during meals can
have any adverse effects as far as digestion, absorption of nutrients, etc.
goes.  I've heard from several sources that you shouldn't drink because
it dilutes the digestive juices.

Does anyone know the true story ?

Thanks,

Mr.Scary (Gary Chapman)
----------------------------
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Vitamin C and colds/flu
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:20:11 GMT

In <BSIMON.92Nov20125138@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu
(Bernie Simon) writes:

>Diarrhea is a well known sid effect of excessive Vitamin C intake,
>although 500 mg. is surprisingly low for this effect to happen.
>I've never heard of any other report of nosebleeds or dry nose from
>Vitamin C and 9 people seems an awfully small sample to base a
>conclusion on.

Surprisingly low considering a glass of orange juice gives 129 mg...

I tried lots-of-vitamin C-for-colds a few years ago, and I remember
one of the sources I read called it "bowel tolerance".  The source
advocated increasing vitamin C intake until it produced diarrhea
(the "bowel tolerance" level), then backing off a bit from there.
Typical tolerance levels they mentioned were 8-10 g/day.

I didn't go that far, but I did get up to about 5 g/day.  The cold
wasn't affected much, but I do remember between 4 and 5 g/day there
was a pretty dramatic antihistaminic effect, and my usual hay fever
symptoms (stuffy nose, sneezing) turned off like a light.

I wonder if the dry noses are related, and somehow other conditions
magnified the effects of the vitamin C in the test.

BTW, I took ascorbates (mostly calcium), not plain ascorbic acid, and
I did note that it was better to increase and decrease the dosages
gradually.

As always, I'm not a health care professional and this is not medical
advice -- consult your physician before acting on anything you see on
the 'net.

Pete
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:31:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov18.063115.4063
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov17.150556.400@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>And isn't inositol a constituent of lecithin.

Yes, it is.  And lecithin is another substance, along with inositol,
which is devoid of any effect on blood lipids.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Re: What I Learned about Calcium and Milk (long)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.152946.5037@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.174410.25760@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes:
> >For myself, since I've been growing more suspicious that I may have
> >a mild intolerance to milk, I will probably try to add more greens
> >to my diet and may also take supplements, although I suppose taking
> >supplements should be preceded by a talk with my doctor.
>  
> Do you ask your doctor (not an allergist) if you can eat some cheese or to
> quote one of my recent e-mail friends, "do you consult your doctor before
> eating a donut or smoking a cigarette?"

Well, I was trying to slip in an implicit disclaimer without
saying anything specific about particular supplements or problems.
But, here goes.  According to _The Calcium Bible_, people should
consult with their doctors before taking calcium supplements if
they have any of the following problems:
1.  kidney stones
2.  alcoholism
3.  cancer
4.  gall bladder disease
5.  gastritis
6.  high blood pressure
7.  hypercalcemia
8.  peptic ulcer
9.  pernicious anemia
10. sarcoidosis
11. thryoid problems

In addition, certain supplements are not suitable for everyone.
For example, calcium carbonate and calcium phosphate are not
recommended for people who are lacking in stomach acidity.
-- 
Krista Anderson
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From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Fit or Fat Facts?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:39:14 GMT

Elizabeth Schwartz (betsys@cs.umb.edu) wrote:
: Since so many people here keep mentionning it, I picked up a copy of
: "The New Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey. Ok, I believe that exercise is
: necessary to lose weight, but how substantiated is the assertion here
: that fit people burn more calories than fat people, even when idle? 
:   It seems to me that from a survival standpoint, back when we were
: all evolving, the "fittest" person would be the person who was able to
: store energy, not the person who burnt up all their fuel without
: storing it. Or do we have two "modes," a "store fat for winter" mode
: and a "burn fat like crazy it's summer" mode? 
:   This book doesn't have ANY footnotes (bad sign for a science book.)
: Is there any research to support these claims?
: 

Until quite recently being plump was considered a sign of health, and beauty.
(Look at Ruben's nudes...)  You can speculate about this a lot:  Poor people
didn't eat as well.  Thin people were undernourished, and more suceptable to
TB, flu and sundry other pestulences.

In a society where food is irregular, being able to store excess is an
advantage.  There is a certain amount of variability in this, hence in
time of famine, the fat storers have an advantage, while in times of plenty
fat storers may well die from heart disease.

You can see there will be ramifications to this:  HD tends to affect 40+ 
year olds, an age that through most of human history is after reproduction. 
I suspect that there is a survival advantage for a group to have a mix.

Certainly the amount of energy that a kilo of muscle uses while sitting
doing nothing is greater than that for a kilo of fat.  The fat also is often
layered at the surface, and with a smaller blood supply can act as an in-
sulating layer.  I'm about 15 lbs lighter now than a year ago, and I feel
the cold much more intensely.  This should increase the amount of calories
used for basic heating.

We do have a burn fat like crazy mode.  I spent two weeks on a dog-sled
expedition where the warmest it got was -30.  (On New Years eve, the rum had
frozen solid by 9 p.m.)  Breakfast included 1/2 lb of bacon/day.  The excess
grease was soaked up with bannock (trail biscuits)  Despite this and about
4000 additional calories, we all lost 4-8 pounds on the trip.  Exercise was
significant, but not overwhelming, but the stress from the unrelenting cold
was astounding.
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From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Water - "Distilled" or "Spring"
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:19:00 GMT

The idea that distilled water "leaches" minerals from your body is
common misinformation. Once distilled water mixes with the contents of
your stomach, your body can't tell the difference.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		O tempora! O mores!
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Connection of Birth Control Pills, Modd Swings, B vits?
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:39:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I heard that vitamin B6 can help with menstrual cramps and mood
swings, if that's any help (unsubstantiated rumor.)
  Personal experience: a single Pamprin(TM) which contains
acetaminophen, pamabrom, and pyrilamine maleate, has an almost
frightening affect on my moods. It ERASES grumpiness. Frightening
because it is disturbing to me that my mood is so easily and
drastically altered with a single pill. Dunno what the relationship of
the pill to PMS is... I hear that the pill makes your body think you
are pregnant. Sounds risky to me, but I was a "DES daughter" and I
figure one brush with the Gods of Statistical Odds was enough for me!

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