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Newsgroups: ont.general
From: mantei@dgp.toronto.edu (Marilyn Mantei)
Subject: Moving sale - chairs, table, bed for sale
Summary: combining two condos and getting rid of excess - sale ends Aug 24th
Keywords: for sale, chairs, tables, bed
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:15:37 GMT

Combining two condos and eliminating duplicates.  This list replaces
previous message eliminating items already sold.  Please call Marilyn
Mantei at 978-5512 (work) or 971-9268 (home) if interested in purchasing
items.  They will go to auctioneer on August 24th.

1 light beechewook double extra long bed with spindle headboards - early
Canadiana style.  Bed is in excellent condition.  $175.00.  2 sets of
sheets, mattress cover and conforter $25.00.

White patio furniture set, 3 white plastic chairs, round table, and loveseat.
Condition is fair.  Matching candy striped cushions and tablecloth $35.00

1 brass coloured floor lamp with rattan shade $5.00

1 grey card table in excellent condition - sturdy, high quality $25.00.

1 black vinyl executive desk chair with arms on rollers - execellent
condition $45.00

2 folding wood chairs with wicker bottoms.  Wicker on one bottom needs
repair $10.00 for pair.

2 solid oak captains chairs in white oak natural colour - $10.00 each

1 rolling TV cart with space for VCR  - solid oak - scratched and in
new of refinishing   $10.00

1 folding garden chair with beige and orange webbing - $5.00

1 white desk lamp with adjustable arm - fair condition - $5.00

1 white table 19 in X 30 in - Solid wood - fair condition $5.00

1 solid maple chair - straight back - good condition $5.00

1 corduroy covered upholstered living room chair with oak arms -
handmade - covered in tan fabric - $10.00

1 veneer coffee table 20 in X 48 in.  medium brown stain - fair
condition - $20.00

1 solid oak monitor and keyboard holder for computer system.  Monitor
should have a small base.  attractive and in excellent condition $5.00

Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: whleung@bcarh466.bnr.ca (Wai-Hung Leung)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:17:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.162236.8421@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>
>   In Toronto, all intersections have a four way red, which gives
>   drivers a chance to complete their left turns. In Ottawa, orange to
>   red happens simultaneously with red to green in the orthogonal road.

Only few intersections in Ottawa is like that, most have 
simultaneous red as in T.O.  You are probably thinking of
Montreal (or Quebec in general).

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From: peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:02:13 EDT
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

marc@meadow.uucp (Marc Riehm) writes:

> You must have been driving in a different Toronto than the one I'm familiar
> with :).  Sometimes when I push the end of a yellow light in Toronto I take a
> paranoid look in my rear-view mirror for a police car and I'm happy to see 2
> or 3 other cars following through the light behind me.

Out here in Mississauga you look behind and find a cop has followed you
through :)

--
Bellatrix Systems Corp. Mississauga, Ontario Canada
peters@beltrix.guild.org or beltrix!peters
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
From: ajd@meadow.uucp (Antony Davies)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Reply-To: ajd@meadow.UUCP (Antony Davies)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:01:12 GMT

In article <Krzysztof.0661@netxsys.guild.org> Krzysztof@netxsys.guild.org (Krzysztof Adamski) writes:
>This problem was created by some "bright" designer of traffic light. If as soon
>as the light changed to red one way the other changed to green people would not
>risk going through the red light, but since there is a grace period of about
>2 seconds (I think it's getting longer and longer) it is "safe" to continue
>on yellow.
>
>Krzysztof

You own an auto body repair shop by any chance? Antony
Newsgroups: Tor.general,ont.general,ott.general,rec.travel
From: june@nereid.sal.ists.ca (June Wallington)
Subject: RE:  Trave Scam??  "FREE vacation to Bahamas/Orlando"
Organization: Space Astrophysics Laboratory, ISTS, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:25:12 GMT

This sort of scam was going around last summer.  I am not sure if the
company name was EXCEL, but it was the same sort of package deal.  You
had to privide your own transportation to Orlando and you got the boat
cruise to the Bahamas.  What you got was a package of vouchers for use
when you got to Orlando.  There were vouchers for the hotel (not a good
one) and the boat cruise, all subject to availability.  
Availability is limited, but they could be used as discounts towards
more expensive rooms.  For the boat cruise it did not include the cost
of departure tax and various other taxes.

It is not a "free" trip, you end up spending as much as if you booked
the trip yourself through a travel agent.
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 14:16:14 GMT

My goodness.

What type of car, and what license plates, does Mr. Christopher Browne has?

Should we elevate this to my bringing out my modest driving skills and
do a classic harassing maneuver on Mr. Browne after he's impolitely
passed someone on the road? Does Mr. Browne know that Ayrton Senna,
who's none too fast this season, have forced numerous driver errors by
just being a bit wide when someone tries to overtake him? Oh, you bet I
watch those races, and I record them too, and yes, I learn from them! And
driving a slower car Ayrton's just won another F1 race a moment ago!

The absurd attitude Mr. Browne has should be reason enough for a
traffic offence, and in the social domain, he deserves be shunned.

My position: yes, stay to the right, but for those who don't, and they
are going at or above the speed limit, I try my best to make my way
past them quietly, safely, and without harassing them, over on the right
side -- politely.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
From: drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:53:07 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Aug14.030157.27104@sq.sq.com>, rph@sq.sq.com (Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH)) writes:
> ... so now the guy behind you, and everybody behind him, is trapped there
> at a slower speed. Just what you wanted to avoid. Unlike you, however, they
> can't do anything about it. Nice.

  I like Pontus's rule, "gravitate to the right", but he states it too
adamantly, as if the fastest guy on the road can never be wrong.  I
travel at the speed of the lane I'm in or move to the right; however,
in my opinion, the speed of the lane isn't the (desired) speed of the 
jerk who is tailgating people in that lane, it's the speed of most of 
the cars in that lane.  Second, just because someone passed me on the 
right doesn't mean it was safe for him to do so, and hence I am not 
necessarily in the wrong for failing to move over.  Weavers will shove 
their cars in gaps that simply don't have any reaction time at all. I 
am not obligated to put myself at risk of an accident simply because 
they have no patience.  

----

  On the topic of police not pulling cars over for anything but speeding:
One of my pet peeves is drivers who don't have the patience to wait in
a line for an offramp, but instead zoom down in the left lane and then
"merge" at the head of the line, usually unsafely.  I recently had the 
wonderful experience of watching a police officer pull over a bunch of 
cars doing this on the ramp leading from #8 to the Conestoga Expresssway.
He just stood at the head of the line and picked them off one by one.
Made my day!

-Darrell.
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From: Krzysztof@netxsys.guild.org (Krzysztof Adamski)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:10:57 EDT
Organization: NetX Systems Inc.

From article <1992Aug21.160112.16964@meadow.uucp>, by ajd@meadow.uucp (Antony Davies):
> In article <Krzysztof.0661@netxsys.guild.org> Krzysztof@netxsys.guild.org (Krzysztof Adamski) writes:
>>This problem was created by some "bright" designer of traffic light. If as soon
>>as the light changed to red one way the other changed to green people would not
>>risk going through the red light, but since there is a grace period of about
>>2 seconds (I think it's getting longer and longer) it is "safe" to continue
>>on yellow.
>>
>>Krzysztof
> 
> You own an auto body repair shop by any chance? Antony

I didn't see any smiles in your reply. No I do not. How many owner of body
repair shops do you know with usenet access?

Krzysztof
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:02:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.172726.7907@r-node.gts.org>, marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
|> 	I think they are called highways...never been told otherwise.
|> Its 'Trans-Canada Highway', which I know for the most part is limited
|> access.  I think the 401 is the 'Macdonald-Cartier Highway', isn't it?
|> And that is limited access.
|> 
|> 	Someone please correct me if I'm wrong :)
|> 

Sure!  It's the 'MacDonald-Cartier Freeway'.
                                   ^^^^^^^

All limited access multi-lane roads are freeways, all others are called
highways.

|> Marc
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From: wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:37:39 GMT
Reply-To: wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales)
Distribution: can
Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles

Stewart Clamen wrote:

	[The 401] is the "Macdonald-Cartier Freeway".

And to make matters even more confusing, Toronto also has the "Gardiner
Expressway" and the "Don Valley Parkway".  So we have evidence of sev-
eral different terms.

For what it may be worth, the Perly map book people appear to prefer the
generic term "expressway" (based on the legend in the "Metro-Plus" chart
in my Metro Toronto book).

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3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:14:51 GMT

In article <Bt1E2s.4x4@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond) writes:
>In article <riskit-140892143559@47.201.0.36>, riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes) writes:
>>    BTW, what makes you so sure that the guy tailgating is a jerk. 
>> Maybe he has a valid reason for wanting to go faster. You don't know and
>> is not up to you to judge. (If you follow the letter of the law, it is 
>> up to you to move to the right to allow traffic to progress. It's also 
>> common sense.) 

 If I'm moving at the speed limit, there is only one class of vehicles
 that have a valid reason for wanting to go faster, and that consists
 exclusively of emergency vehicles with their flashing lights,
 sirens or whatever in operation.  Anyone else wanting to go faster
 is someone who wants to break the law.  I feel no more compulsion
 to satisfy their wants than I do regarding someone who is trying to
 pick my front door lock.  The moment I drop measurably below the
 speed limit, an entirely different set of rules comes into operation,
 and I should (and in fact must) move right to accomodate anyone
 who wants to proceed at the posted limit.  If that seems like a
 quite arbitrary line, so be it; the law is full of such lines -
 remember the original "dead line" in Dodge City?
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Followup-To: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:01:33 GMT

In article <Bsz54J.JME@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>,
drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond) wrote:

> 
>   I like Pontus's rule, "gravitate to the right", but he states it too
> adamantly, as if the fastest guy on the road can never be wrong.  I
> travel at the speed of the lane I'm in or move to the right; however,
> in my opinion, the speed of the lane isn't the (desired) speed of the 
> jerk who is tailgating people in that lane, it's the speed of most of 
> the cars in that lane. 

   I'm sorry but that's wrong. If you are holding up traffic,  you 
can be fined for "impeding traffic flow". That's based on the officer's
discretion(i.e. He can defend his position in court). If your tailgating 
you can also be charged, also at the discretion of the officer. Both 
people can be fined.

   BTW, what makes you so sure that the guy tailgating is a jerk. 
Maybe he has a valid reason for wanting to go faster. You don't know and
is not up to you to judge. (If you follow the letter of the law, it is 
up to you to move to the right to allow traffic to progress. It's also 
common sense.) 

> Second, just because someone passed me on the 
> right doesn't mean it was safe for him to do so, and hence I am not 
> necessarily in the wrong for failing to move over. 

  Your right that it might not be that safe to move over, but it might 
not be that safe to have a tailgater either. But in the eyes of the law
you are both violating the highway traffic act. 

   I think the solution to this problem is simple.If you are driving smart
and are always in the right lane you will probably not have many tailgaters
And if you do get one, then you can always pull over to the shoulder. 


> Weavers will shove 
> their cars in gaps that simply don't have any reaction time at all. I 
> am not obligated to put myself at risk of an accident simply because 
> they have no patience.  

 One more time. Why would you put yourself at risk? Whether weavers have 
or have not any patience is moot. Your job as a driver is first to keep 
yourself (or family safe). Second, to obey all of the rules found in the 
traffic act. So simply drive slower and stay right. Don't be self-rightous,
since it doesn't matter if your right if your dead! 



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riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca (Reg Foulkes)

No passion on earth, no love or hate
Is equal to the passion 
to change someone else's code
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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
Subject: Re: Refusing to yield right of away out of moral indignation
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:27:08 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 2682

From article <1992Aug19.165223.3653@bnr.ca>, by stetner@bcarh1b6.BNR.CA
Douglas Stetner writes:

> 
> In article <1992Aug18.133218.26642@spxtech.qc.ca>, steven@spxtech.qc.ca
> (Steve Potter) writes:
> |> 
> |>   Rather than risk having my son fall down those stairs I yelled "OK,
> |>   I'M ON MY WAY!" over the phone; grabbed my keys; did not stop to explain
> |>   my sudden anxious departure to my colleagues, superiors or reception;
> |>   jumped into the car and flew home; foot to the floor, main beam on,
> |>   hazard lights flashing, honking any one suffering from self-righteous
> |>   moral indignation out of the way!
> |> 
> 
> To me it sounds like you risked the lives of MANY people out on the roads
> to rush home to prevent an accident that may or may not have happened, and
> may or may not have been life threatening.
> 
> Not very smart in my OPINION.
> 


  You may or may not be right.

  What would you do?


  p.s. Emergency vehicles risk the lives of MANY people out on the roads
       when they are rushing to a place where they may or may not be
       needed. That is not easily avoidable in an emergency. (I have an
       aunt who was hospitalised for a couple of months after being
       knocked off of her bicycle by an ambulance in a hurry).

       If there are lights, flashing lights, horns, sirens or other
       clear indications of "I am in a hurry and I mean to pass - please
       let me through" I fail to see why anyone would interpret such
       behaviour as anything other than a possible emergency. (In my
       aunt's case the ambulance was speeding through an intersection 
       WITHOUT its warning siren!)

       Several people are killed or badly injured every year by emergency
       vehicles rushing but failing to warn of their approach/intentions.


       ANY vehicle running at high speed is a threat.

       The threat is greatly reduced if proper warnings and indications
       are given to alert other road users to that threat or danger.

       This is true for fire, police, ambulance AND citizens breaking the
       law in emergency situations.

       Some people would argue that it is never acceptable to break the
       law. I support those arguments. There are conditions or
       circumstances that require one's conscience to be examined
       carefully before acting. Enough said.

       

-- 
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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
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From: wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Going through yellow (was Re: sidebar re 401)
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:17:20 GMT
Reply-To: wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales)
Distribution: can
Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles

Joel Goldberg and Keith Hanlan were debating over whether going through
a yellow light will/should get you a ticket.

As I (admittedly a non-Ontarian, but one who is about to move north and 
has been doing his homework :-}) understand the Highway Traffic Act, it
says you must stop on a circular yellow signal (sorry, I mean "amber",
they seem to prefer calling it amber) if you can do so safely; other-
wise, you may proceed with caution.

Sounds to me like a judgment call, but I'd assume you should stop on the
yellow provided it wouldn't require slamming on the brakes, and if you
are too close to the intersection to stop safely, the right thing to do
is to go on through without either slowing down or speeding up.

Stated otherwise, if you're in the middle ground where you could stop
safely =or= make it through the yellow light, you should stop; and if
you speed up to enter the intersection on yellow, you're as much as
admitting that you =could= have stopped if you had cared to.

Now, as I said, this is what the =law= appears to say.  I'm not ready
yet to say for sure how it works out in practice.  Ask me next year.

And if someone is tailgating on you when you think you should stop at a
yellow light and he disagrees . . . . :-{

Of course, here in Los Angeles, not only do people race through yellow
lights, but they run red lights too.  Especially if there's a convoy of
drivers intending to do a left turn -- some of whom were left in the
intersection when the light turned red (and who can legally finish their
turn) -- you can almost bet money around here that at least one or two
more people who were behind the line will also turn.  ("But officer, I
saw the light when it was still green; doesn't that make it legal?")
Whenever I come to an intersection (even when I have a green light), I
take my foot off the gas, hover it over the brake, and take a good look
both ways before proceeding through.

--
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3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: farrellj@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Farrel McGovern)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:53:57 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman) writes:

> In article <1992Aug7.131427.2190@chance.gts.org> john@chance.gts.org (John R 
> 
> | In an emergency situation, ie. immediately prior to many accidents,
> | the bike is more maneuoverable, and therefore has a better chance of
> | avoiding the accident.
> 
> This is the second time someone has posted that bikes are
> manoeverable. The thing I don't get is that, in traffic, a bike is
> either pinned in by a curb, or is next to a soft shoulder (in Ontario)
> where manoevering is impossible. Also, at the speeds cyclist talk
> about (say 25kmh for commuting) I don't see how a bike can be turned
> suddenly without throwing the rider.
> 
> Is my perception incorrect? Or are cyclists able to slow down to
> manoever in fractions of seconds?
 
     It depends on the cyclist, and the bike. With a racer...no. With a 
mountain bike, yes. But unless the rider is trained, or has practiced alot, 
then they will not be able to do it.
 
     I can hop a curb with my mountain bike, no probs. And in fact, a soft 
shoulder can speed stopping if you do a side-sliding skid stop.
 
ttyl\
     Farrell

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