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From: kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu (kevin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: HEY!! I'm new here.
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:56:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr16.205630.8341
Organization: Shepherd Labs
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Alright I've been reaading for awhile but haven't yet posted.

I'm riding a HARO Extreme Comp and it wants to lose a couple lbs.
I've already swapped  the SMOKE's for SMOKE LITE's for a beautiful 200
grms.  I plan to lose the DX under the bars for XT thumbs(it's about
time), and I might get Dia Comp 986's.  I also drilled about 50
unnecessary grms. out of the freewheel cogs.

Any other sugestions???-under $20/gram--ei Titanium.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: beowulf@wam.umd.edu (eighqmes)
Subject: giant vs trek?
Originator: beowulf@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:15:57 GMT

i looked at a few bikes this weekend, and settled
down on either the giant Rincon and the trek Antelope.
any earth-shattering differences anyone could point
out to me? they're both nice, i'm just looking for
something to tool around campus with, and the only
big split between the two seems to be in price (about
$50 more on the Antelope). 

please post comments here, or mail to: beowulf@eng.umd.edu


thanks

eighmqes
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From: blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cellular biking hazards
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:16:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr6.071623.2226
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii

In article <1992Apr5.223035.10735@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>
>One day I called my friend for a Saturday ride.  He said he couldn't make
>it, so I took off.  Later, he showed up at my destination with another
>friend and they had a cellular phone strapped to one of the water
>bottle cages.  No, he couldn't answer it while riding, but he did
>use it to call home.
>-Case

My Dad has a "hands off" cellular car phone which can be programmed 
to automatically answer when the phone rings and it has a mike
attached to the visor so that he doesn't have to take his hands off the
wheel. I can just see some busy executive who likes to ride bikes
hooking one of these up on their bike. 
:-)
Kristin
From: brucer@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bruce Rayner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hiding your bike to avoid airline charges
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:20:35 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA


Good grief.  Bunch of wuses out there.  I've never paid to ship
my bike on an airline.  Just have to be clever.  Of course,
a few bucks to the skycap helps a little too.

Bruce
From: dittrich@sal-sun53.usc.edu (MotrinMan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Airline charges
Date: 7 Apr 1992 16:51:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun53.usc.edu

In article <9204071651.AA02999@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes:
>I'll be flying across country and want to take my MTB.  
>I'd like to have the bike as soon as I arrive.  Any recommendations
>(UPS, Greyhound, etc.)?  Prices?
>
If you want it when you arrive, the airline is probably the cheapest way to do
it.  (UPS next day would cost more than the bike itself probably   :-)
I shipped my MTB from LA to Chicago via UPS and it took about a week to get
there and cost around $30.  I think they charge according to how far you want
to ship it.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: SCDOWN
From: lynch@bbs.mdcbbs.com
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:09:19 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems (EDS)
Nntp-Posting-User: lynch

Hi,

I just tried to install a pair of Dia Comp aero brake levers and
discovered that there is no cable housing stop in the lever body.
There's just a tapped hole that a standard cable housing slips 
through. 

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Am I missing some parts?
Is a special brake cable required.

If you can help please E-Mail lynch@MDCBBS.com.

Thanks,
Larry
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From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an acc
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:12:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr14.171231.11089
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Kevin, you never told us the technodweeb info!
1) What kind of steerer tube sheared
2) what kind of pedals released
3) Would you have been worse off if they hadn't released?
-Case
From: jpat@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jeff Patterson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:49:09 GMT
Subject: Re: how many calories do I burn?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

The following table appears in the '92 Schwinn ATB catalog which references
Bicycling, May 1989:
---------
Speed
(mph)    12   14   15   16   17   18   19
Rider 
Weight         Calories/Hr
110     293  348  404  448  509  586  662
120     315  375  437  484  550  634  718
130     338  402  469  521  592  683  773
140     360  430  502  557  633  731  828
150     383  457  534  593  675  779  883
160     405  485  567  629  717  828  938
170     427  512  599  666  758  876  993
180     450  540  632  702  800  925 1048
190     472  567  664  738  841  973 1104
200     495  595  697  774  883 1021 1159

 (flat terrain, no wind, upright position)

Hope this helps.

-Jeff
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF on FOX Network LIVE!
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:48:53 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore) writes:
>
>The ads for the VeloNews 20th Anniversary Commemorative Dinner Plate
>and seratonin performance enhancers are the tip-off. Too bad.

But what about that Bridgestone ad for the $3200 bike built by some
old geezer with a bunch of crappy old parts on it?  Only 50% down and
a 3 year wait!

I guess I'll cancel my centrifuge training.

David Mackintosh
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: FAQ posted
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:04:04 GMT


By now, most of you have discovered that I got my act in gear this
month and posted the FAQ. ('Bout time, huh?) I've also got things
setup with so it will also be posted to news.answers; several people
suggested it and I've been planning on doing it for some time, but I
just hadn't found the time to do the work to make it happen.  One other
item:  I also set it up so that those of you using threaded newsreaders
will be able to read (or, heaven forbid, kill) the posting as a group.


Ride bike!

Mike
From: kjm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Summary: Clippless pedals will release when there is sufficient force
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:42:16 GMT
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

<1992Apr7.171503.21267@kestrel.edu>
<1992Apr14.025411.11531@acsu.buffalo.edu>
 
 
     Clipp[Dless pedals were designed along the same lines as ski
bindings.  They will only come out when they need to.  For example just
because you fall over in lift line doesnt mea[D[D[D[D[D't meant that
your bindings should release.  They only release when the specified
torques and forces act on the binding m[D[D.  Clipless pedals are the
same[D[D.  They will only release if there is enough force exerted on
the sprint[Dg.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avoiding airline charges
From: nbernste@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Norman Bernstein)
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:06:10 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes:

>While instigating how to avoid airline shipping charges, for
>transporting an MTB, I noticed an advertisement in the latest Bicycling
>issue (pg 156). The association US Amateur offers a $74.95 annual
>membership.  This membership entitles you to reduced airfare, hotel and
>rental rates.  They also state that airlines carriers will allow you bike
>to fly free, if you have this membership.

>Is anyone familiar with the US Amateur membership?  Do airlines
>actually waive the bike transportation cost if you are a member?

Only certain airlines will waive the bike transportation cost (Delta and
some others) . . . not all.  Also, if you are a member of the League of
American Wheelmen (LAW) you can get a US Amateur membership for $49.95.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: sasmjw@laverda.unx.sas.com (Martyn J. Wheeler)
Subject: HITLER BANS TWO-WHEELED VEHICLES! (FAQ)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Reply-To: sasmjw@unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Cary NC
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:11:12 GMT
Originator: sasmjw@laverda.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1049

Come on, folks, this cross-posting is getting out of hand.  I don't
know how many of the rec.motoists bothered to see what the situation
was in rec.bicycles, and vice versa, but both groups are suffering
badly from this stuff.  This is not a case of just one group blindly
cross-posting to the other, there are miscreants on both sides.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE (yes, I am shouting) check the Newsgroups: line
before you post.  If you are cross-posting to both groups, make sure
your post contains something of relevance to both.

Bicyclists and Motorcyclists have too many problems in common to be at
each other's throats over this.

Have a nice day, and wave to all the bikers (motor- & pedal-powered).

(.sig included just once by popular request :-) )
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:23:21 GMT

Mike Coleman (coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu) writes:

> [interpretation of the word "accident"]

> I think that "accident" used to mean what we now mean when we think of an "act
> of God", but has come to be applied to almost any incident which the
> responsible party/parties has come to regret afterwards.  It seems to be a way
> of evading responsibility.

The Oregon Driver's Manual refers to them as 'crashes', rather than
'accidents', and has a paragraph or two explaining their reasoning, which
is basically that crashes are frequently due to poor judgement, and not due
to random forces striking from outer space.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:56:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Apr2.173039.18658@menudo.uh.edu>, don@menudo.uh.edu (Duck aka D. Harper) writes:
> In article <peercy.702174644@dopey.crhc.uiuc.edu> peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy) writes:
# ? Don't ever say that, because a right isn't listed in the Constitution,
# ? it must therefore be a privilege given by the state.  Nowhere in the
# ? Constitution is mentioned the right to work, to eat, to seek medical
# ? care, to get married, to have sex, to give birth, to walk, to bike,
# ? to breathe....  Does this mean all of these are privileges granted
# ? by the State, free for them to remove at will?
# 
# Do I have the right to kill somene because it is not mentioned in the
# Constitution?  I think not...this is a very common mistake...or if you

In self-defense, of course.  If you can find evidence that laws
were common at the time of adoption of the Constitution or Bill of Rights
that suggest that an activity wasn't considered a right, however,
you have a hard time arguing based on original intent.  But if an
activity wasn't proscribed at the time, you've got a strong case
that it was within the protections of the Ninth Amendment.

# are going to start quoting the Declaration of Independence about life,
# liberty, and the pursute of happiness, where is my right to go out and
# get high on the weekend to be happy?

Protected by the Ninth Amendment, though you'll have a hard time 
getting liberals to admit it.  (They just can't bear to give up
control over people's lives).

# ? Mike Peercy
# 
# Don Harper, DHarper@uh.edu, Academic Consulting Services, University of Houston


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favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace
of God." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:34:10 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, France

In article 51601, sl3vx@cc.usu.edu writes about Cat 4/5 racing in the U.S.:

>  The little trinkets that they give us are bullshit, we cannot put them 
>  into our gas tanks.  I don't try to make money at the races I just want 
>  to break even!

And Michael B. Prim writes:

>  If you want to make money, or just break even, then upgrade to Cat 2 and
>  train hard. Too many beginner riders complain about the prizes. I was
>  always glad to pay ~$10 to do a nice race - if its not worth the money
>  don't do it.
>  ...
>  No crybabies -  you should be racing for fun.

I agree that there is too much emphasis placed on prize lists for the
equivalent of Cat 3/4/5 racing.  Why can't competition, fitness, and the 
comeraderie of riding with a group be enough?  A widespread demand for races
with bigger prize lists might eliminate very interesting and challenging
courses that could be organized by clubs for almost no cost to the rider.

As an example of a better way I point to the clubs here in France, which
gladly organize challenging courses and offer only trophies for the winners 
(place second and get nothing).  Yet for a 100km road race with police escort 
and an entry fee of $3-5, what more could a weekend Cat 4 racer want?

This opinion comes from one who likes to ride and uses a real job in order
to get money.

Brent

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: SCDOWN= Dia-Comp Aero brake levers
From: lynch@bbs.mdcbbs.com
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:27:59 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems (EDS)
Nntp-Posting-User: lynch

In article <1992Apr11.130919.1@bbs.mdcbbs.com>, lynch@bbs.mdcbbs.com writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I just tried to install a pair of Dia Comp aero brake levers and
> discovered that there is no cable housing stop in the lever body.
> There's just a tapped hole that a standard cable housing slips 
> through. 
> 
> Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Am I missing some parts?
> Is a special brake cable required.
> 
> If you can help please E-Mail lynch@MDCBBS.com.
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry

Sorry, the subject should have read Dia-Comp Aero brake levers.
From: cbradburn@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: why the complaints?
Date: 5 Apr 92 17:40:46 GMT
Organization: Phillip Institute of Tech, Melbourne


My Sunday paper today came with a "free" booklet - America, Yours to
Discover: USA Holiday Guide".  One of the gems in this apalling
document was this one about driving in America (or as they say 
"hitting the road in America""

	"American drivers are generally safe and courteous and
	the roads are well surfaced, maintained and signposted"

So, why all the complaints from our American colleagues on this
newsgroup?  


There was, of course, NO mention of bikes. A section on "The Wild
and Free" about "America's national parks" notes that  "a car is
essential for ease of getting about.  Wild and free?

The very worst part from a non car-lover's point of view was a
photo of an unnamed beach on the "Florida" page which showed:
	card parked on the beach
	a four wheel drive vehicle travelling along the beach - apparently
		about to run down an idyllic hand-holding couple
	the surrounding buildings (not a blade of grass in sight, let
		alone a tree) receeding into a fog of pollution (right,
		I don't relly know that; it could have been the
		morning mist).

The whole place is obviously a car paradise.  I think I'll stay
here in australia and stop whining.



Carol .....


carol@phillip.ecu.au
From: ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions on Specialized Carbon-Fiber bike requested
Date: 6 Apr 1992 18:06:27 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


I wish you'd asked me last week.  A month and a half ago I asked the same 
question on the net and got a ton of responses (approx. 20) which I had to 
purge for lack of diskspace last Thursday.  

Anyway, an overwhelming majority gave the bike rave reviews.  There 
was only one "friend of friend had a problem with a much older model"
story regarding frame failure.  Everyone else said no problems.

I collected all the responses and gave them to my girlfirend who recently 
purchased a 1991 Epic with 105 components for $699.  She is very happy 
with the bike, but needs more time on it to get used to the responsiveness.
She had been riding a Schwinn Traveller.  

I rode it a few times, and it is a sweet bike.  It has a wonderfully light, 
nimble, fast, and confident feel.  Not too stiff, not too soft, just right.
It's pounds lighter than my Cro-Mo bike.

The Ultegra equipped bike sounds great and $900 is a very reasonable 
price.  I can't remember what kind, but you also get better wheels with 
the Ultegra rather than the 105 version.

Good Luck and Enjoy!

Edzo
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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Teeth, gears and inches ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:31:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

pme@otter.hpl.hp.com (Pete Earlam) writes:
>Forgive me if this is a FAQ but I don't have too much time to browse.
>[How do I compute gear inches?]

Given that tens of thousands of folks read your post, you really should
(a) take a few minutes to browse and see if it's there and (b) limit
the distribution to something local, like your home city or continent.
If you don't get a local response you can always re-post to a wider
distribution.

I am sending this as e-mail; I'm also posting it in the hope that it
will inspire people to a bit less net.bandwidth.  Soapbox off.

	;-D oN  ( The Soapbox plan for cleaning up blight )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Question about Hyperglide chains and pins
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:15:19 GMT

In article <BMo8FM.A43@world.std.com> kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.143309.22000@synapse.bms.com> idelson@idg02.bms.com 
>(Ira Idelson) writes:
>>
>>I know the proper procedure for a Hyperglide chain is to remove any pin
>>but the black one(s) completely and replace it with the special black
>>Hyperglide pin.
>
>I am a person who recently suffered a very nasty accident, by simply popping
>any old pin (as I would on any old chain). The chain broke as I was pulling
>away from a stop sign -- out of the saddle, and very unbalanced. Ruined a
>new cycling jacket, and gave me some nasty scraps. I will in the future use
>those black pins religiously -- or go back to Sedis chains.

There are other options besides the Sedis chains.  Union manufactures chains
compatible with 6/7 speeds (the model 800) and 8 speeds (the model 900).
I'm currently using the 800 on my 400LX (Hyperglide) equipped commute bike
and it works just fine.  DID's (aka Daido) Super Lanner is also Hyperglide
compatible; and like the Unions, no special pins are required.  Diamond Back
is actually spec'ing DIDs on some of their Shimano-equipped bikes.

More complete reviews of index-compatible chains will appear in Vol 2,
No 1 of CROSSWORDS (my hybrid newsletter)

>-kdg


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
	<freshair.702839238@vincent1.iastate.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:26:28

Human-skin shoes eh?  Now that's in poor taste.... :-)

Thanks for the info on Avia, though... I'll have to read my Nashbar
catalog more thoroughly...

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From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Abdu DQ'd at Ghent-Wevelgem?
Summary: pulling saddles in the sprint
Keywords: roller derby on bikes
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:51:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Last night I heard that Abdoujaparov finished 1st at Ghent-Wevelgem
but was disqualified for pulling a couple riders' saddles during
the closing sprint.

Is this true? Any details?
From: corfmanr@gtephx.UUCP (Russ Corfman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Shimano STI - lowest gear?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:05:10 GMT
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona

In article <1992Apr6.143459.2386@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:
> Specs on the standard Dura-Ace STI 8-speed derailleur are: rear cogs:
> max 26T, min 12T, max difference in chainwheel teeth: 14, max total
                    ======================================
> difference (front plus rear): 26.  This would allow you to run a 13-26
> rear and 39-52 front.

I can't figure this one out. I just got an Ultegra rear derailleur for my
TT bike and it said the same thing. I don't see any reason why the 
difference between the smallest and largest chainrings makes a difference
with the rear derailleur. It seems that the max total difference (front
plus rear) is really the only one that matters.

I'll bet there are a lot of cyclists using a 39,53 chainring combination
without any problems...

Any comments on why Shimano may be saying this?

Ciao,
-- 
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