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From: grodan@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Mats G L|fdahl)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: The possibility of almost WYSIWYG TeX
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:58:13 GMT
	<1992Apr8.031655.590@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>
	<1992Apr8.125208.23444@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Apr9.033222.3037@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: grodan@cyklop.nada.kth.se


Jeremy Gibbons writes:

   Hmm. OK, most of the time there is exactly one corresponding spot. What if
   the piece of text was produced by a macro (eg, I click on the `T' of
   `LaTeX') though---do I want to go to the macro definition, or to the macro
   call? I reckon it should be call here, but if I click on the body of a
   footnote I want to go to the `definition' (somewhere in the argument to
   \footnote) rather than the `call' (the occurrence of the \footnote itself).
   And what happens when I click on a page number or a running header?

For the \LaTeX macro, I'd always want to move to the call, possibly
replacing it with another macro call. Perhaps I wanted it to be a call
to \TeX instead. If I wanted to typeset "LaTeX", but a bit differently
than what comes out of the \LaTeX macro, I would go into the other
window, move to the preamble, define another macro, and replace the
call to \LaTeX with a call to the new macro. This replacement, I could
then make in either of the two windows!

It would be a bit more complicated, though, when you have a macro with
parameters. Do I want another macro or do I want to change (one of)
the parameter(s)? Perhaps, if you click on the text of a footnote, you
should go to the parameter of the \footnote call. Then a button would
move you to the actual "\footnote" string?

Or else, it might be easier to go to the TeX source window! I'm not
trying to *force* the user to *always* use the wysiwyg approach. I
like TeX and I dislike traditional wysiwyg because I can do so much
more with the TeX controll sequences. You all know these advantages of
TeX. What I'm saying is that there might be situations where a wysiwyg
approach is better, and that it would be an improvement to TeX if you
always had the choice!

	/Mats


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From: rainer@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Rainer Kleinrensing)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Kanji font for TeX available ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:20:49 GMT
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany

Hello there,
does anybody know whether there is a Kanji font available for use with TeX ?
Please reply to me directly (rainer@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de), as I don't
subscribe to this newsgroup. I'll summarize the results.
Thanks very much,
   
	Rainer Kleinrensing                rainer@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de
	Institute for Applied Mathematics 
	Bonn University
	Wegelerstr. 6 
	W5300 Bonn
	Germany

	Phone: +49-228-73-3427  Fax: +49-228-73-7864
From: sl0k3@pluto.ee.usu.edu (Saturn)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Help with \subsection definition
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:44:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr6.214423.54257
Organization: Utah State University



The following is from ieeetr.sty

% The value of the counter secnumdepth gives the depth of the
% highest-level sectioning command that is to produce section numbers.
%
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{4}

\def\section{\@startsection {section}{1}{\z@}{-3.5ex plus -1ex minus 
    -.2ex}{2.3ex plus .2ex}{\Large\bf\centering}}
\def\subsection{\@startsection{subsection}{2}{\z@}{-3.25ex plus -1ex minus 
   -.2ex}{1.5ex plus .2ex}{\large\it}}
\def\realsubsubsection{\@startsection{subsubsection}{3}{\parindent}
         {3.25ex plus 1ex minus .2ex}{-1.5em}{\normalsize\it}}
\def\realparagraph{\@startsection
     {paragraph}{4}{\parindent}{3.25ex plus 1ex minus .2ex}
     {-1.5em}{\normalsize\it}}

\def\subsubsection#1{\realsubsubsection{#1:}}
\def\paragraph#1{\realparagraph{#1:}}

\def\thesection{\Roman{section}.}
\def\thesubsection{\rm\Alph{subsection}.}
\def\thesubsubsection{ {\rm\arabic{subsubsection})} }
\def\theparagraph{ {\rm\alph{paragraph})} }

% bye
--------------------------------------------------------------------



I want section to do what subsection does and subsection to do what
subsubsection does. I changed it to read


\setcounter{secnumdepth}{5}

\def\section{\@startsection {section}{1}{\z@}{3.5ex plus 1ex minus 
    -.2ex}{2.3ex plus .2ex}{\normalsize\it}}
\def\realsubsection{\@startsection{subsection}{2}{\parindent}
     {3.25ex plus 1ex minus .2ex}{-1.5em}{\normalsize\it}}
\def\realsubsubsection{\@startsection{subsubsection}{3}{\parindent}
         {3.25ex plus 1ex minus .2ex}{-1.5em}{\normalsize\it}}
\def\realparagraph{\@startsection
     {paragraph}{4}{\parindent}{3.25ex plus 1ex minus .2ex}
     {-1.5em}{\normalsize\it}}
\def\realsubparagraph{\@startsection
	{subparagraph}{5}{\parindent}{3.25ex plus 1ex minus .2ex}
	{-1.5em}{\normalsize}}


\def\subsection#1{\realsubsection{#1:}}
\def\subsubsection#1{\realsubsubsection{#1:}}
\def\paragraph#1{\realparagraph{#1:}}
..... (the rest of the stuff)
.....
.....


\subsection is supposed to do

	1) Subsection title:   Text begins here.

	It does this properly but does not italisize the heading.  If I 
change  the  {-1.5em} to {-1.5ex}, it works just fine.   This problem was
not there initially, but pop up suddenly.  It is badly hampering my thesis
writing.  Can somebody help me.  Please email responses ASAP. 


Thanks in advance.


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	I only work on new ones!"

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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: bobby@hot.caltech.edu (Bobby Bodenheimer)
Subject: Re: Changing the inter-atomic spacing locally in math mode
Organization: Caltech Control Lab
	<SCHOEPF.92Apr2124319@quattro.sc.ZIB-Berlin.de>
Distribution: comp.text.tex
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:04:22 GMT

>In article <SCHOEPF.92Apr2124319@quattro.sc.ZIB-Berlin.de> Schoepf@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Rainer Schoepf) writes:
>>   In article <BOBBY.92Mar15235030@dry.mu.caltech.edu> bobby@hot.caltech.edu (Bobby Bodenheimer) writes:
>
>>	How can I change the spacing in one formula so that between
>>      two atoms of type Ord a thin space, medium space, or thick space
>>      is inserted? That is how do I change the Ord-Ord entry in that
>>      table in chapter 18 of the TeXbook so that it's a 1, 2, or 3 
>>      instead of a 0, so that it applies only in one displayed formula:
>>      $$ a formula in which the spacing is changed between all the Ords $$.
>
>   Two answers:
>
>   1. You can't. It's hardwired.

Well, is there an easy way to change all the Ord's to something else in
one formula?

Thanks,


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From: qralston@gl.pitt.edu (James Ralston Crawford)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: TeX can't find any .tfm files - help!
Keywords: install problem
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: qralston@gl.pitt.edu
Organization: Computing and Information Services, University of Pittsburgh


	(If this is a common problem, the answer to which is detailed
in the FAQ, my apologies; but I did not see anything relevant in it.)

system: Sun-3
OS: SunOS 4.1.1
compiler: gcc 2.0

	I just installed TeX here.  To test it out, I decided to see
if it could generate the .dvi file for the Gcc manual.

	This is what happens:

$ tex gcc.texi
This is TeX, C Version 3.14t3
(gcc.texi (texinfo.tex Loading texinfo package [Version 2.63]:  Basics, fonts,
! Font \textbf=cmb10 scaled 1095 not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.
\mainmagstep ->1095 
                    
l.477 \font\textbf=cmb10 scaled \mainmagstep
                                            
? 

	I assumed that I might have done something incorrectly.  So I
go and look for /usr/local/lib/tex/fonts/cmbx10.tfm.  It's there, and
it's world-readable.  Odd.  So I wonder if TeX is somehow not looking
for the .tfm files in /usr/local/lib/tex/fonts.  So I check the
various config files used for building.

In site.h:
#define TEXFONTS        ".:/usr/local/lib/tex/fonts"

In makefile:
texlibdir=/usr/local/lib/tex
texfontdir=$(texlibdir)/fonts

	So TeX should be looking there.

	Just to make sure, I (as a normal user) set my TEXFONTS
environmental variable to /usr/local/lib/tex/fonts, and try it.  Still
no go.

	So... what's the problem?  Why can't TeX find the .tfm files?

	Thanks in advance for any help proferred, but please reply to
me instead of posting; I have to distribute my time between system
admin duties and schoolwork, and don't always find the time to read
news...

	Regards,

-J

-- 
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qralston@gl.pitt.edu            "No problem; here's how you build it."
qralston@pittvms.bitnet	                 - Lieutenant Reginald Barclay
uunet!unix.cis.pitt.edu!qralston                                ST:TNG
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: The possibility of almost WYSIWYG TeX
From: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:16:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <GRODAN.92Apr7122044@cyklop.nada.kth.se> grodan@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Mats G L|fdahl) writes:

>Could this environment be enhanced in the wysiwyg direction, with
>resonabel speed, without actually causing a need to edit dvi files?
[...]
>Add the possibilities to edit the *text* in the previewer window.
>Adding text would change the TeX file buffer which would be common to
>both windows. The text you enter would show on the screen depending on
>the current font/size etc where you put the cursor, just like in your
>favourite wysiwyg program. 

I still think this is a misguided desire. The kind of editing you can
reasonably *expect* to be able to do in terms of the printed page---
correcting spelling mistakes, adding an extra word, etc---are just as
easily done in terms of the TeX source code. The kind of editing you'd
*like* to be able to do in terms of the printed page---changing the skip
between list items, fiddling with tolerances and penalties and so
forth---are exactly the things that are well nigh impossible to translate
back to changes in the source (when you adjusted that skip at the top of
the list, did you mean topsep or partopsep? and was that penalty an
interline penalty, or a widow penalty, or a hyphen demerit, or what?)

Way back when I was doing my BSc, my final year project was to produce just
such a previewer/editor (I was dead chuffed with the name `PrEditor'!). (It
was written in a homegrown programming language, on a homegrown machine, on
top of a homegrown text formatter, so don't get excited about it.) I
connected the previewer to a (homegrown!) text editor, and implemented
simple changes like editing the text and shifting columns of tables around;
I added a quick-and-dirty update (simply shifting bits of the page image
around) as well as a complete page reformat. I didn't realise the inherent
limitations when I started, and I don't really think I did when I finished
either, but looking back it all seems a great waste of time.

Ah me. What nostalgia. :-)

Jeremy

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: bruhn@wuvieai.wu-wien.ac.at ( Peter Bruhn)
Subject: FOOTNOTES AT END OF TEXT
Reply-To: bruhn@wuvieai.wu-wien.ac.at ( Peter Bruhn)
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:00:39 GMT

Does anybody out there know, how to force LaTeX to
put all the footnotes at the end of the text and not
on the bottom of the current page.

I could not find a solution in my LaTeX-book.

Any help is appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: The possibility of almost WYSIWYG TeX
From: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:50:00 GMT
 <1992Apr6.024326.1374@cs.aukuni.ac.nz><GRODAN.92Apr7122044@cyklop.nada.kth.se>
 <1992Apr8.031655.590@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> <GRODAN.92Apr8190652@cyklop.nada.kth.se>
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <GRODAN.92Apr8190652@cyklop.nada.kth.se> grodan@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Mats G L|fdahl) writes:

>Clicking on a summation sign would then not just insert a Sigma
>bitmap (or whatever) but actually enter the \sum control sequence into
>the TeX file. With the cursor on a symbol (e.g. the Sigma), clicking
>on a superscript symbol would perhaps move the cursor to the
>superscript position and allow you to build a superscript (or, in case
>of the \sum control sequence, an upper limit of the summation).

You can already do this kind of thing in Emacs; it's simply a matter of
writing the right lisp functions. And if you're wanting to produce a
structurally-marked-up formula \Sigma_{...}^{...}, you're best doing this
in the TeX source rather than the printed image.

>Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that changes in either window
>should reflect in changes in the TeX source rather than in the dvi
>format. 

Naturally---you don't actually want to change the dvi file. What I meant
was, you're trying to express your desired change to the TeX source in
terms of a transformation on the dvi file (or the printed page, if you
prefer). I believe the attempt is doomed to failure.

>What if you had a button that would pop up a window with a list of the
>parameters of the current paragraph (or the current list or the
>current environment)? Editing that list could put changes to those
>parameters in that paragraph (if necessary inside a group).

Did you mean to change just that instance of (say) the enumerate
environment, yielding a new environment to be used just once? Or did you
intend to change all enumerates, ie change the definition of \enumerate? Or
even, all lists, by changing a parameter like \itemsep? That's what I mean
by a loss of information in the DVI: each of these three changes would have
to be expressed in the same way.

>Aha, so you've had some experience with this kind of problems. What
>was it that made it impossible? I mean, if you had been working in a
>bit less "homegrown" environment, would you still not have been able
>to make something useful? 

The environment wasn't a problem; the tools were more primitive than they
are now (and it was only five years ago!), but it wasn't the tools that
were the limiting factor. The fundamental difficulties remain, and will
continue to do so.

Jeremy

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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: aps583@huxley.anu.edu.au (Anthony P Scott)
Subject: A request for a bibtex utility
Originator: aps583@huxley
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 04:31:26 GMT

A while ago now a bibtex utility was offered on the net that made
the updating, searching, sorting etc of bibtex files quite easy.

It had modules called bibadd, bibsort, bibgrep and ran with a controll
file called btt.

I have the exucutable forms of this utility but have lost (deleted??)
the sources.

So my request is for someone to post me a copy if they could or to point 
me to an archive server where it may be residing.

Thank You all

Tony Scott aps583@huxley.anu.edu
From: <karl@cs.umb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Utopia and Charter typefaces for TeX
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 12:08:36 EDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Adobe and Bitstream donated the usual (roman, italic, bold, bold
italic) variants of the Utopia and Charter typefaces to the X
consortium a while back.  They donated both the AFM (Adobe font metric)
files and the PF[AB] (the Type 1 fonts with the shape information) files.

I ran the AFM's through afm2tfm (from labrea.stanford.edu:dvips*.tar.Z)
to make TFM and VF files for use with TeX and dvips.  If you want to
save the trouble of doing it yourself:

You can get all the files from ftp.cs.umb.edu
[192.12.26.23]:pub/tex/{charter,utopia}.tar.Z.

karl@cs.umb.edu
Member of the League for Programming Freedom---write to league@prep.ai.mit.edu.
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: barrak@tramp.Colorado.EDU (HADI MOHAMMED F)
Subject: Problems with ArabTeX
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:27:35 GMT

I just downloaded the new version of ArabTeX and tried to compile the
sample, guha.tex. 
The compilation went fine. When I tried to view the dvi file or print
it I got the following error line:

Fatal error: PK font file [\pctex\pixel\dpi518\nash14bf.pk] character
number is too big (128 > 128)

Can someone help, please?

---barrak
From: zxmkm01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Hanno Klomp)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: DVI driver for Canon BJ-300 and ATARI
Keywords: DVI,driver,ATARI
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:15:35 GMT
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG

I am looking for a dvi-driver for my Canon BubbleJet-300
printer. Now I use the LQ-850 driver, but it is annoying,
because it prints four times for one line. That is real slow,
does not use the possibillities of my printer and needs too
much ink.

So, if you know, where I can get a appropiate driver please 
email to me.

Thanks in advance       Hanno

Hanno Klomp     email: zxmkm01.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Fast LaTeX preview on PC?
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:38:49 GMT
In-reply-to: fumekem@uts.uni-c.dk's message of 10 Apr 92 11:37:00 GMT


In article <1992Apr10.113700.6129@uts.uni-c.dk> fumekem@uts.uni-c.dk (Knud Erik Meyer) writes:

   Thanks for the answers that I have received by mail. Now I have tried
   emTeX and I find it a fairly good solution, even though it takes quite
   some space on the harddisk. But still I am dreaming about a preview as 
   fast (and small?) as e.g. WordPerfect. I does not matter if the fonts
   would not be perfect. 

You can have the best of both worlds - try DVIWindo. It is small (together
with several utility programs and text files it is less than 0.5 Megabyte).
It uses scalable font technology (Adobe Type 1 (ATM), TrueType (Windows
3.1), BitStream FaceLift etc), so can show output at any resolution, and it
does not require 6.5 Megabyte of PK files at various resolutions (All 75 CM
fonts take only 1.6 Megabyte in outline form, for example).  It loads much
faster than say WordPerfect or W4W.  You can have multiple instances loaded
up to compare different DVI files. It can print to any device that has a
Windows printer driver (including some fax boards).  You can do string
searches, color code your fonts, show a selected font in reverse video for
debugging font selection macros.  It can show previews of inserted figures
in EPSF and EPSI format.  It has specials for insertion of images in TIFF
format.  And specials for colored text, colored rules, color of foreground
and background in monochrome images, as well as reverse video. You can copy
a region on screen to the clipboard for pasting into other Windows
applications (and what you paste is NOT a bitmap).  It can be invoked by
clicking on a DVI file in the File Manager. Etc. etc.

*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** 

Disclaimer of lack of bias: Respondent has connections to Y&Y

*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** 


Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: jongill@lilac.bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: latest version of GhostScript (v2.4)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:50:03 -0600
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

This is really a gnu.ghostscript.bugs thing, but since Alan Honig writes:

   A major upgrade of the GhostScript package is now available.  I picked
   up a copy, version 2.4, via ftp from prep.ai.mit.edu in directory
   pub/gnu.  GhostScript allows one to preview postscript files on a
   variety of platforms, including MS-DOS.

   The MS-DOS executables include a module for 386 machines.  Version 2.4
   now allows loading any outline fonts, not just the single generic font
   available in earlier versions of this program.

There are a few bugs. Notably, gs24 does _not_ successfully read
Type1 .pfb font files (outline fonts). I posted a question on
gnu.ghostscript.bugs about this and was told that this is a known bug,
but the cause is unknown. So don't expect to use your ATM fonts with
gs yet. They are working on it, though.

I haven't yet tried it with DVIPS, but the release announcement said
that the problem of clipping the tops off rounded characters was fixed
in this version

I'm on an MS-DOS box, by the way. The font problems are present with the
normal and 386 versions of gs.

---Jon

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				Boulder, Colorado, USA

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: aps583@huxley.anu.edu.au (Anthony P Scott)
Subject: Latex Tables and cline breaking
Originator: aps583@huxley
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 04:25:17 GMT

With Latex it is possible to place intercolumn horizontal
lines within the table by \cline{x-y}.

If I have two positions that I want this to happen and they
happen to be adjacent to each other only one line is made that
carries all the way from the first column to the last column
specified.

For example:

\cline{2-5} \cline{6-9}

will produce a continuous line from column 2 to column 9.

What I would really like is to get a break between columns 5 and 6 in the
line. Only a little break would be OK but a break none the less.

Has anyone done this? Any hints? All replys greatfully recieved.

Thanks.

Tony Scott. aps583@huxley.anu.edu
From: ecsgrt@latrobe.edu.au (Geoffrey Tobin)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: TeX for scholars
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:05:28 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <1992Apr13.131540.4645@cl.cam.ac.uk>
	cet1@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.E. Thompson) writes:

>Actually, Don does pay out some small power of two cents (I think $2.56)
>for first reports of errors in the TeXbook, METAFONTbook, and `Computers
>and Typesetting'.

Sorry Don.

gt
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: rstanton@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton)
Subject: PSFIG 1.8 and 1.9 keep wanting compressed .EPS.Z files
Organization: Haas School of Business, U.C.Berkeley
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:31:07 GMT

I've been using PSFIG very happily for some time now. I recently hunted 
around on whitechapel... for a new version, and loaded 1.8 onto my machine. 
I quickly unloaded it as it didn't do what I wanted. The same applies for 
version 1.9 which I just tried.

Here is a line from my LaTeX file:

\centerline{\psfig{figure=frontier.eps,height=4in}}

Versions 1.7 and earlier hunt, as desired, for file frontier.eps in the 
current directory. Versions 1.8 and 1.9 instead talk about frontier.eps.Z, 
which exists nowhere on my disk.

What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks for any help

Richard Stanton