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From: lab@gdstech.grumman.com (Larry Beck)
Subject: Even It Up
Reply-To: lab@gdstech.UUCP (Larry Beck)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:25:08 GMT

In article <1id1d1INNkq0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:
>	For me, it depends on my mood. Just like movies, sometimes I like
>comedy, other times I feel like a good Horror, sometimes Sci-Fi, etc. While
>the WWF is not "pure" wrestling, anyone who says Bobby Heenan has never made
>him laugh is a liar. People get bent out of shape over the Clown, but hey, he
>IS pretty funny. Sometimes, I do go back and watch tapes of WM4 and 5, and
>remember great WRESTLING like that was what made me a wrestling fan, and I 
>don't see why there can't be workrate like that in the WWF of today. If Vince
>would do that, I'd go to every live card I could and buy all four PPV's. I
>really don't see why he can't have his Skinners and Repo Mans and also let
>them be exciting to watch. Actually, my main beef with the Whiff is that 
>lately, the faces are dominating. No heel can beat any face who's better than
>Virgil or Tito Santana, unless it's to win a title. Does anyone agree?
>
>
You're absolutely right. Things were alot better in the WWF when guys like 
Superstar Billy Graham was around (managed by the Grand Wizard), also Hogan
and Ventura when they were managed by Freddie Blasie. Also, does anyone remember 
Karl Von Hess???

Those were the days when the matches were even, most everybody would both
win and lose. And it was a bit harder to figure out the story lines.

I think the problems started when Backlund became champion, and he stressed before
each match how he was fighting for God, motherhood, applepie, and the downtrodden.
Once that happened itr became real hard to get the marks to support heels as champions. No one loved to hate them.

Larry Beck   
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:33:15 EST

In article <1iukggINN31c@emx.cc.utexas.edu>
eccd552@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Katsuhiko Kawai) writes:
 
>The first femal match in Japan took place in 1954 for the U.S army
>stationed in Japan. Mildred Burge(sp?) is among the American female
>wrestler that came to Japan for the event.
 
That would be Mildred Burke.  She was the top American woman wrestler
for many years.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: realism?
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:53:24 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA

In article <ASH.93Jan7152348@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
|> In article <1iglcnINN6l@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> foleye@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) writes:
|> 
|>    In article <1993Jan6.230337.402@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yo
|> |> But your comparison to boxing is ridiculous.  Well, maybe not
|> ridiculous, but unwise.  A better comparison would be football.  The
|> reason is that both wrestling and football are whole-body contact
|> sports, whereas boxing usually isn't.  The weight advantage is much
|> more important in football.  Given two players of equal skill and
|> speed and strength, but unequal weight, watch for the heavier football
|> player to push the lighter player all over the field.
|> 
|> I would think that the same would hold in wrestling.
|> 
|>  >When you consider that all of these guys are strong enough to lift the larger
|>  >men (i.e. Windham) off the mat and throw them around with some ease, a weight
|>  >advantage doesn't matter a heckuva lot.  Wrestling a Pontiac isn't too hard
|>  >if you can lift the Pontiac off the ground and slam him on the mat just as
|>  >easily as he can to you.
|> 
|> But don't forget that they are helping each other in the lifting.
|> Could anyone ever have picked up Andre the Giant if he hadn't wanted
|> them to?
|>

	Well, I remember a non assisted full body press of Andre in MSG,
1978 by HH.  I saw it live on tv, LIVE FROM MSG.  HH had knocked the giant
out using a metal plate in his arm pad and delivered a close line to Andre's
forhead that split his head open.  Andre was dazed but didn't go down.  HH
took a look at Andre still standing and took off running.
	None of this was scripted at the time.  HH pulled his own shoot.  Later, 
after the match, HH was fired and showed up weeks later in the AWA.  Andre 
stayed in the NWA.
From: eccd552@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Katsuhiko Kawai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: 1/4 Tokyo Egg Dome Show
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:35:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I just got an international phone call from my best friend. Here is the 
complete results of the 1/4 New Japan Egg Dome show. 
The tickets are said to be sold out (63,500!!).

New Japan vs. WAR Opening Battle:
Akira Nogami & Takayuki Iizuka & El Samulai beat Kouki Kitahara & 
Masao Orihara & Nobukazu Hirai when Iizuka KO'ed Orihara by a power-
bomb.

Power Struggle of Eight Men:
Shiro Koshinaka & The Great Kabuki & Masashi Aoyagi & Akitoshi Saito 
defeated S.S Machine & Hiro Saito & Norio Honaga & Tatsutoshi Goto 
when Kabuki pinned Honaga with a berry-to-back suplex.

IWGP Jr. heavy title:
J. T. Liger pinned U. Doragon to capture the title with the Liger-
Shutainer(sp?) (FS off the top rope.) Doragon missed the high-spots twice. 
 
????? match:
R. Simmons defeated T. Holem with a spine-buster(? Nobody cares, 
thoguh). No wonder the bathrooms were crowded.

Battle of Burning Stars:
Sting pinned Hase with a top rope splash.

Succeed to Fighting Spirit:
Masa Saito(replacing A. Inoki) & S. Hashimoto beat S. Norton & D. Rhodes 
jr when Hashimoto DDT'ed Rhodes.

IWGP tag title match:
The Hell Lasers drew the Steiner brothers by a double counted out. 

NWA & IWGP title match:
Muta beat Chono to unify the world titles with the two consecutive 
moonsault.

Super Explosion:
T. Fujinami defeated T. Ishikawa with the Doragon sleeper-hold.

The Climax of Wrestling:
G. Tenryu pinned R. Choshu after the two consecutive power-bomb.  
After the match, Inoki showed up and got the biggest pop. Then, Inoki 
challenged Tenryu. This match is supposed to take place in March at the 
Egg Dome. I am quite sure that the tickets will be sold out soon.   

Katz.  


 
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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: My (Probably Unwanted) $.02 On Tape Prices
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:21:57 GMT

Dear group (what do we call ourselves, anyway?):

I can agree with both sides of this issue:  $25 US is kinda pricy for
a 6-hour tape, but...$20 would be cool.  A regular tape, if you buy
from a trader, should be $15-20, and then they haven't done much 
splicing (it's usually straight shows).  So if you add in the work
of splicing together the master, it's fine.

My problem is that what some people call "good" video quality, I call
"nearly unwatchable".  It's probably my VCR (an AKAI), but *all* of
Herb's RSPW best-of is hard to watch.  I couldn't watch more than one
match at a time if I wanted to appreciate it.

On Dave's best of, however, I found the quality for 90% of it to be
impeccable, but I still couldn't handle watching the Matsunaga-Pogo
barbed-wire baseball bat match or the UWF barbwire cage tag match, due
to weird video (adjusting the tracking didn't help at all...).

Again, it's probably my VCR.  

Personally, I'll probably buy a new VCR soon and retry Herb and Dave's
tapes.  I admire the work they put into compiling these (you
too, Eric), and agree that it deserves some compensation.  Unless of
course you assume that Dave and Herb have nothing better to do than
dub videos all day and night.

I'll also probably buy Joe Avolio's tape, since the match selection
looks so eclectic.  I actually have a few of these matches, too, but 
the quality of my copies is shit or worse.  Plus, I find comps make
interesting background vids for parties where we have something on-screen
with no volume (tunes on the stereo, instead).  We also pop comps on
prior to PPVs while partying.

Now, as far as Dave's new tape (and I'll email you, too, Dave, once I
get your new email address, hint-hint), I vote "6 hours, $20" and *not*
because of price.  I think there's a quality drop-off on 8-hour vids
(similar to the dropoff when using C120s for music), and if we're talking
anything beyond first gen, it'll probably get much worse.  Also, this
will allow us to keep some better-quality matches for the potential 
*third* tape from Dave (hint-hint #2).

On the tape, in addition to "solid" matches I'll mail him to be put
on the ballot, what does everyone think about 1/2 to 1 hour devoted
to total f**kups-- blown interviews, wrestlers "de-pantsed", missed
finishers by good wrestlers, totally missed flying moves which get sold
anyway, shoots, surprises, etc.   Yeah, I know that we get that weekly
on any WWhiFf show, but I mean bloopers from the non-cartoon promotions.

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for!

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================
From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: NARCISSUS!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:06:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <VPHZwB5w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
>awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton) writes:
> 
>OK, OK...Narcissus is..
>
>

 [Big space deleted]


>
>Steve DiSalvo!
>

	Sorry, Charlie, but I beat you to that particular bad joke by about
three days. 
 
>--Don
>  ducking the tomatoes being hurled at the screen

	Funny, my screen is still tomato(e) free. hmmmm.

				Steve "Waka Waka Waka" Sousa

>
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Bloodthirsty Thugs
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 10:53:05 EST

In article <1idet3INNefk@agate.berkeley.edu>
srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
 
>From the latest Weekly World News comes this headline:
>
>"TV wrestlers are turning our kids into bloodthirsty thugs!"
 
A few months ago, my four year old son fell down and bloodied
his nose.  He came into the living room and said, "Daddy, I
juiced."
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik)
Subject: M. L. CURLY 1/8/93 (spoilers)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:45:33 GMT

Due to the recent complaints by certain posters regarding "ruining"
future surprises in the soap opera known as pro wrestling, I'll
put a page break before any info contained in Curly's Detroit
News wrestling column (which tends to be awfully accurate):


Flair will be back in WCW by February.  Vince, in a rare moment of
grace, is not going to hold Flair to his contract, which runs through
September.  Flair will start out as a face in WCW, will quickly
win the title, and will feud with Windham, Rude, and Arn.

Crush will fall for the old "fake cast" trick, and do a stretcher
job for Doink the Clown on the 1/16/93 syndies.  Crush will miss
the Rumble as a result, and as for the Clown, well, you know.

And finally, Narcissus is ... 


Luger.  Luger, apparently, is allowed to make TV appearances in 
January as long as he changes his name.nd so, that's just what Vince
has done.

Now the big question.  He lets Flair go, he's going to promote a
match to be known as "Hart vs. Doink" (that even LOOKS ridiculous),
and he calls Lex Luger "Narcissus", when he already has one in Shawn
Michaels and a lesser one in Rick Martel.

Has Vince McMahon gone completely insane?

-- 
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From: hatley@granite.pa.dec.com (Alan Hatley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Jimmy Hart etc.,
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:38:45
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: granite.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: marv.bloom@rose.com's message of Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:12:37 GMT

in the january issue of memphis magazine, there is an article about
memphis in the 60's.  one of the rock groups started in memphis, were
"the gentrys"  jimmy hart is listed as a member.  is this the same
jimmy hart of the wwf?

Alan-
From: eccd552@ut-emx.uucp (Katsuhiko Kawai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: 1/4 Tokyo Egg Dome Show
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:50:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <9301042205.AA23977@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>> Succeed to Fighting Spirit:
>Just a general question:  Does every match have to have a "name" in Japan?
>Either we're losing something in the translation, or they're grasping for
>straws coming up with names after all these years.  :-/

No, it doesn't. New Japan just named every match for this special
occatsion. Japanese like English-sound-like names :-) I doubt
that they thought of the meaning seriously.
"Burning Spirit" usually refers to A. Inoki, and now that Inoki
may have decided to retire this year, one may wonder who succeeds
to his "Burning Spirit".
t
>be called either "The Hell Lasers" *or* "The Hell Raisers".  My guess
>is that they intended it to be the latter, but I'll keep using "Lasers":
>1. because you used it and you're probably more fluent in Japanese than I

Japanese can't pronounce "R". Eg. I like fried lice :-(

>2. because Herb calls Jushin Liger "Riger", even though you (above) and
>   others of Asian ancestry use "Liger" and it is supposed to be a
>   concatenation of "Lion" and "Tiger".  :-)  (Sorry Herb)  ;-)

We both may be wrong. New Japan offically(?) spells his name
"Jyushin Thunder Lyger". I don't know how to pronounce it, though.
Japanese usually calls him Laigaa. 

>2. Chono has been disappointing every trips he made to the U.S.  (I don't
>
IMHO, most of the U.S. audience except the hardcores can't appreciate
Japanese style wrestling(Puroresu) - I mean Japanese style, not
the wrestling by Japanese. 
Did you see the NWA final, Rude vs. Chono? I would give it
****1/2. The match was excellent as well as the atmosphere in
the Sumo arena(Ryogoku Kokugikan). The title match should be
like that. 
 
>> Super Explosion:
>> T. Fujinami defeated T. Ishikawa with the Doragon sleeper-hold.
>No surprise, even with Tasumi (sp?) getting on in years..

Tatsumi Fujinami. I suppose that very few wrestling fans remember
he is the first Japanese that received the standing ovation at MSG.
Tiger Mask(Satoru Sayama) is the second. In those days, there
existed "wrestling" in this country, too. I hope Dave put his
debut match at MSG in his next tape. You can see his original
Dragon Suplex(full nelson suplex). BTW, Tatsu means Dragon
in Japanese. That's why his original maneuver is called "Dragon
...".

Katz  
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From: ljr3721@usl.edu (Joey Richard)
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Killed & John Arezzi
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:55:01 GMT

Don Becker writes:

>Again, like I said, marks can also get a hold of The Torch and The Observer. 
>In fact, the way I became a non-mark was through a combination of The 
>National (marks could've found it on any newsstand) and Arezzi's Pro 
>Wrestling Spotlight (marks in my area could've flipped through their AM dial 
>until they found WGBB, then WEVD.)

        A few days ago, since I had nothing better to do with my time, I
bought a wrestling magazine called 'Wrestling Today'.  The cover had the
typical mark headlines like "Harley Race: 'Sting is a Crybaby'" and
"The Match That Must Be Made: Flair vs. Simmons", but it is not one of the 
PWI family of magazines.

        Anyway, when I got home and started rea..., I mean looking at the 
pictures, I was shocked to find a four page article with information 
about sheets!

        This is directly from the magazine:
             If there's a wrestling fan out there that doesn't get the
        WRESTLING OBSERVER then something is wrong because Dave Meltzer
        is the No. 1 Weekly Newsletter in the business.  You can contact
        Dave at [...address...].  I wouldn't miss a week without my 
        issue, and you should do the same.  Join today...
        
        Also, there was info about the Wrestling Chatterbox, John Arezzi's
PRO WRESTLING SPOTLIGHT NEWSLETTER, PRO WRESTLING TORCH, and others.
        
        Later in the magazine there is an article *by* John Arezzi entitled
"One Man's Valiant Crusade against the Dictatorial WWF", which contained 
Arezzi's story and even used the word 'jobber'.

        Does anyone know anything about this magazine?  Since their 
products are geared towards marks, shouldn't they want as many of 
them out there as possible?  

	But getting back to the thread, Don is right.  Non-mark wrestling
news is available to anyone.  The few thousands of people who read this
group are not going to make a difference, especially since most people
that have access to it are not likely to be marks :-).  However, I think it 
is possible that non-mark radio shows and ads for sheets in the mark
magazines could have an effect on the business. 
 
--
                 |==========================================|
                 | Joey Richard      email: ljr3721@usl.edu |
                 | The University of Southwestern Louisiana |
                 |==========================================|
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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: WWF: Stieners
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:01:24 GMT


 This weekend I watched the Wiff for the first time in a couple of months. I 
probably won't again for sometime. It is as bad as ever. But I saw a Steiners 
match. I don't know if this was the same as the match we talked about last week
(It was on the Sunday USA show), but the crowd reaction was DEFINITLY dubbed 
in. There was a hudge noise, but the 15 rows you can see around ringside, 
people were just sitting there. I find it hard to believe that there was that 
big a noise and yet none of the people who made sure that they could get 
ringside seats cared.
                                   David Kempster

 P.S. That Saturday Morning show on USA is dreadful. That host sucked.
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: just read....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:54:45 GMT

Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:

>dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:

>> MB> The Steiners will be debuted in the weekend Syndies (wonder what the
>>   >packaging will be, surely something fancier than those University of
>>   >Michigan jackets, that's a guess frankly can't remember the exact
>>   >Logo).
>> 
>> That is what they will be wearing.  They have the same act as they did
>> in WCW.
> 
>Not exactly -- judging by the quick interview on the syndies, Rick isn't 
>doing the brain damaged idiot gimmick, even though he's wearing the 
>headgear. For once, I have something to thank Vince for!
> 
>Now, he'll go and do something really stupid to them to make up for it! :)

Well, Rocko hasn't had anyone to work with since LOD split...  :-)

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From: ljr3721@usl.edu (Joey Richard)
Subject: Re: Narcissus is Luger/Watts-AA fight
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:47:19 GMT

Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>He also
>said that Arn Anderson and Erik Watts were involved in a fight in an
>Atlanta convenience store.  Ross said that only Watts was arrested.

Maybe next week we will get to see the whole thing on black-and-white
security camera footage.  :)

--
                 |==========================================|
                 | Joey Richard      email: ljr3721@usl.edu |
                 | The University of Southwestern Louisiana |
                 |==========================================|
From: kzim@watserv.ucr.edu (Christopher Robin Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Mania - 9/1/93
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:38:23 GMT

In article <k#-394p@rpi.edu> moyj@rs6220.ecs.rpi.edu (Jayson Moy) writes:

>Todd Pettengill is currently part of the morning team on WPLJ-FM 95.5
>in New York City along with Scott Shannon.

*See*? 
 
What is it with Vince's fixation with NYC radio personalities
anyway?

Usually right,
Christopher Robin Zimmerman
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Net(E)xperts
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:

MJ>You can dub crown noise, but you can't dub entire sections of fans
  >standing up and cheering the Steiner's *in the same camera shot* that
  >also includes the Steiner's acknowledging said cheers.

I saw a match with the Steiners on a syndie today and it was obvious
that the noise and reactions were dubbed in.  They showed people stading
and cheering when they "panned the crowd" but when they went back to the
ring shot, all of the fans were sitting, looking bored, even though you
could "hear" them cheering.  The WWF is SO lame.  It's a good thing that
most of their fans are imbeciles.

MJ>My first reaction was the same as the other poster: wow, I can't
  >believe the reception they are getting from the crowd. It looked like
  >a crowd that really knew the Steiner's because they all started
  >barking as soon as Rick got in the ring.

Maybe the match you saw was from the second tapings.  They were received
much better the second night.
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . If it isn't borken, don't fix it.
                                                                                          
Posted-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:04:25 -0600
Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:02:58 CST
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:04:25 -0600
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: [WCW] Up Close with Van Vader
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC


I generally fast-forward through all the Van Vader interviews,
since Harley has been burnt out for 10 years and Leon has been
using the same three catch-lines over and over and over and
over.  I'm glad I actuallt stopped to watch this interview,
though.  Tony S has this strange knack for getting GREAT
interviews in his "Up Close" segments.  Maybe it the empty
stadium (no fans to work off of, etc) or something else, but
he's had some great interviews with Leon, Sting, etc.  Can't
wait for Ric Flair to come back home to the NWA and have a
quiet interview with Tony.

		--Otto "Cactus Hack" Heuer