HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Elite..... My Foot!
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:55:12 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan9.014623.29073@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:

>  ... ofcourse in pakistan to have fun is against islam.
>
>sahibzada rafay khan


I think the overall tone of Islamic theology is such that it looks down
on having fun.  In a sense, having fun seems to be against Islam not
just in Pakistan but in general.  The "complete code of life" doesn't
say anything about entertainment.  This is also very likely the reason
Islam failed in India: it was simply a marketing problem.





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From: amjad@qureshi.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,alt.test
Subject: This is just a test.....Please ignore it!
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:03:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin Tx.


 This is a test.             

 Amjad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Hii there!
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

Salmaan Jaffery of Grammar School, Karachi wishes his friends a belated
Happy New Year. He is working in Poland now.

Shariq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: looking
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:32:00 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

Looking for network address of Carleton University in Ottawa,Canada

Shariq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: amjad@qureshi.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Hello Pakistan
Organization: IBM AWS, Austin
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:27:26 GMT

In article <1iam8aINN2he@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>
>
>	Well, I was really pissed off few months ago when I could not
>	call Pakistan using my AT&T card from a Public Phone. AFter
>	I came back to Cleveland, I called AT&T's 1-800- Number.
>	I yelled at them in my usual style and asked them to cancel
>	my damn account. After some yelling I was able to talk to
>	some "higher-up" :-) and he offered me a deal. He said that
>	he could unblock my individual card number if I take the responsibility
>	of paying for the calls made to Pakistan in case my number is stolen.
>	I accepted the offer and Allah-allah-Khair-sallah.
>	Those who are willing to take the chance may wanna try this option.
>
>Mansoor Khan
>Cleveland


 Boy you are real Stupid!  Agar number choori hogaya to tairee khalli-pili 
 haat mai aajae gee!
 And you know "apne desi bhai" once they get a hold of that number then "they
 keep on going and going and going".


Amjad Qureshi
Email (amjad@austin.ibm.com)

 "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you
  really make them think they'll hate you."
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: The language on SCP
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:27:46 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

	In regards to the language on SCP:


	Of late there are many crosspostings on SCI and SCP, which should
stimulate more variety in viewpoints.  However, the news of late on 
SCP has degraded to foul language and derogatory remarks.  Maybe, this
is just a lone viewpoint, but in the past, the reason I have stayed
away from SCI has been specifically just for this reason.  The mainstay
of SCI (besides H1 visa information) is that of inflamatory remarks.
At least with the swear words in the titles, one can avoid that particular
posting, but it has gotten to the point that one is confronted with
it even in posting that are following a specific trend which would
not infer that kind of language.  I always found SCP to have better
articles and better mannerism that are appropriate to mixed company.
I guess, what I am trying to request, is that the language which one
wouldn't use in front of mixed company and other people one would
give respect to, could be avoided.

Sincerely, 
Rukhsana Merchant
From: fsyed@osa.sw.stratus.com (Faiz Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: THIS IS JUST A TEST _ I REPEAT JUST A TEST
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:18:39 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: osa.sw.stratus.com





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From: mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: **Thanking Everyone For Responding!**
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:29:08 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University


Hello Everyone!!

I would like to thanks all of you who e-mailed my friend Aamir birthday wishes!

He recieved 114 birthday messages, so it was a GREAT success!!

Thanks again and Have a Great Day!!

Tundrea 
Memphis State University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to Editor 12/31/92 About 1947, Ayodhya, etc.
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:44:57 GMT

In article <dbose.726267437@sirocco.aem.umn.edu> dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
>
>
>
>>Imran Anwar
>>---
>
>>
>
>	ABEY O IMRAN KE BACHCHE ,
>
>		IF YOU SAY A WORD AGAINST INDIA IN FUTURE , I WILL MAKE
>
>		YOUR CONDITION LIKE THAT OF MUSTAFA'S .
>
>		APNI MAA-BEHEN AZIZ HAI TO BAAZ AA JAA !
>
> ...[Deleted]

Mr. Bose,

Please keep discussing the issues without cursing Imran.
Imran is no Mustafa.

Arshad Hussain

P.S.
I you curse me, I 'll NOT respond.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: asafi@rdrc.rpi.edu (Ahmad Safi)
Subject: Re: Passport Renewal
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:45:41 GMT


Hi Butt Sahib:

Naveed Iqbal *was* asking about the renewal of passport
as you can see in his artile #32926 on SCP. But as someone
later replied, they're issuing new passports instead of
renewing the old ones (after only 5 years period!) I got
a new passport too (with a new number and the old one
stapled to the back of it.)

The fee which I paid was $36 for a normal 8 day delivery.

Ahmad Safi.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: amjad@qureshi.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Disgusted! Why?
Organization: IBM, Austin
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:26:08 GMT

In article <1h5nshINNnus@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>
>
>
>> All Readers-
>>  G R O W  U P
>> Amjad Qureshi
> 
>	Array, amjadee, jan-e-mon, itnaa ghussaa. ghussa thook doe.
>yeh network azaad hae. I guess this is the only thing which has any thing
>to do with Pakistan and is still azad. Oss din say derro jaani, jis din
>Pakistan may computers iss network say hook up ho gae. Haraami polticians,
>zaalim fauj kay nikamay generals, khufyaa police kay kaarinday, sub iss
>
>Mansoor
>

 Mansoor jee kiya baat hay aaj kul net per kush ziayada he lekhrahay ho!
 Kush aur kaam dundha nahin hay kiya!!!

 Hey man try to avoid writing articles like that otherwise characters
 like Mr. Deepak Bose will do a superb job to add more crap to this 
 news group.

 
 Tera Purana yaar

 Amjad Qureshi
 Email (amjad@austin.ibm.com)





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From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Origin of Ni-shit Dey ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:45:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

Sadhu Maharaj Ni(shit) Dey  has said that Mustafa does not know about
his father. 
My dear if you are unaware of your father it does not mean that 
nobody knows about his father. Even your name is an inevitable 
proof that you dont know about your origin. Somebody got 
you from the shit (perhaps your mother threw you there) and 
call your name nishit.  


This is my sincere advice to Mr. Nishit Dey not to involve my 
father and mother and my family in our battle. He should know
that I have a full capability to bounce it back. 

P.S.     Personally I hate to attack others' mother or father but 
unfortunately sometimes I have to do that . 

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Rafat Sadiq)
Subject: Re: Language on SCP
Originator: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:39:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.152408.3915@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
> 
>    All this trash about equality is neither exists nor practiced. I have read
>    articles  where there Islamic castes, where people are classified as 
>    Nawabs, Tailors, Kafirs, and something like that.

   Classifications like Nawabs, Tailors etc.. are not mentioned in the Koran norin the hadith. They are man made. Kafir is not really a caste. It simply means  one whose faith is not Islam (a non-believer). 

>    
> 
>    Fortunately there are lot of reformers. Like the RSS, Iswara Chandra 
>    Vidya Sagar, Rammohun Roy, Dayananda,  Ramanuja, Shankara etc for these. 
>    And you find the Hindu society now changed.
> 
   I don`t know if Vidyasagar could really be treated as a true equality        preacher. After all, he was only concerned with equality among Hindu`s. One
of his actions was to admit Hindu students of all castes into his schools. It
did not include students of other faiths.
>    But  we are yet to find such reforms to uplift Women, the destitutes  in 
>    Islam. We still are to find people who can  voice for the Equality rights.

   Women are granted considerable rights in Islam. There are several sipharas in the Koran that deal with this topic in detail. For example, they are given the
right to own property and engage in trade just as a man might have. It is      
therefore inaccurate to call them the destitues in Islam. Their plight should
be attributed to culture rather than religion.

regards
Rafat Sadiq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: jinnah
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:11:04 EST

 an4329@anon.penet.fi wrote childlishly:
 
 An> On 25th Dec. two persons were born :

 An> 1) Jesus Christ : Son Of God
 An> 2) Jinnah       : Son Of a Bitch .

Two great men and an anonymous chicken who won't sign his own
name... 

What is the purpose of such intelligent postings?  NOTHING!  Totally
useless crap...

Faraz Rabbani

... Two most common elements in the universe: Hydrogen & Stupidity.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Elite..... My Foot!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 05:16:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


>	I read this peice of news in the friday DAWN after the new year. I
>don't have the paper in front of me but this is what I remember.
>	Police stopped people from going towards the clifton area on Nwe Yers
>eve in Karachi. They harassed couples on their way to Defence, Clifton and
	Since when police got the right to stop people from moving within
	a city. Police bosses are the most corrupt people. How come they
	are telling their jaahil police waalaas to stop people going
	to Defence, Laalokhet, or Paposh Nagar. 


>Seaview. Road Blocks and checking posts were set. Large contigents of Police
>were employed to make sure that nobody has a good time. Still, students got
>together ina couple of places and started dancing and shouting. Police used
>cold water to disperse them.
	I am surprised. How come police did not shoot at them?
	Nothing is ba'eed of Pakistan's Jaahil police.
	Please read Dec. 92 issue of Newsline, Karachi for a detailed
	report on Police brutality in Pakistan.


>	The largest party was reportedly held by Jam Mashooq Ali, the state
>minister for production. His invitees included film artists, models and all of
>the 'in' crowd( In other words, people who have acheived an elitist attitude).
>	What do you guys think of that? 
	
	Jam Lover-of-Ali should be asked where he got this money to throw
	parties like this. All the money he inherited from his father
	who sold all parks in Karachi for hefty bribes should be deposited
	into Sindh's treasury.
	Even Bhutto got embaraced and asked Sadiq Ali to spare 70 Clifton
	and Jinnah's Mazaar. It is funny people like Mashooq start having
	elitist attitude. Elite, my foot!
	kambakht ch'hichoro'n nay elite kee definition hee badal dee hae!

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland



>					Saqib Mausoof 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Re: PSAI Career Database
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:11:21 GMT

In article <1inhl0INNh93@sumax.seattleu.edu> rathoret@sumax.seattleu.edu (Tariq Rathore) writes:
>
>Asalam-o-Alikum
>
>The PSAI Career Database provides addresses and telephone numbers of
>major companies in Pakistan for the benefit of those who are (or will 
>be) interested in serving in Pakistan. 
>Suggestions for improving this service and your experiences after using this 
>Database should be directed to me at rathoret@sumax.seattleu.edu
>
>Tariq Rathore 
>Coordinator
>PSAI Project Career Database
>
>If you need to have information about a company looked up we have a copy of the Yellow Pages Of Pakistan available. Please direct all those inquiries to:
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SINCE THESE ARE TRULY YELLOW PAGES, THE COMPANIES ARE LISTED ACCORDING TO
THE PRODUCTS AND THEN ARE CATEGORISED CITY OF LOCATION. So please send
the product name of the company, and the city of your interest.

Allah hafiz.

>yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com
>

stuff deleted................




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From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Recipes with GuDh [cane-sugar]
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:35:28 GMT



   I recently got my hands on a bag of GuDh [solidified cane-sugar],
and set out to create recipes of my own:

1. Basic Sooji ka halwa:

     You need desi-style Ghee
              Sooji,
              Alaichee,
              Kishmish,
              Pistachio, 
              and GuDh.

    Put Ghee in pan, heat, break down the GuDh stones, put GuDh
    in the liquefying Ghee, add some water, now add Sooji
    and Kishmish, Pistachio, etc. and stir. A couple of minutes
    later you have Sooji ka halwa, hot and ready.

    Consume with a glass of ice-cold milk. Yum! Yum! Yum!

2. Basic GuDh ki Roti or Chawal [Rice]:

    Again, you need desi-style Ghee

    Prepare the dough for the roti with the GuDh added to it,
    bake in Ghee. I guess it should be called a Paratha, then.

    Similarly, add GuDh to Rice, and cook. 

    Easy recipes for guys like me who are just learning to cook.
    Nice feeling that you do not have to go outside to any
    restaurant.
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: passport renewal
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:17:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <8383@news.duke.edu>, shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes...
> 
> 
>I was also recently told that passport renewal will take a month on
>account of some verification procedure.  However, the renewal
>information that came from the consulate specifically states that
>an urgent passport (3 days) can still be obtained with a higher
>fee, $88 instead of the regular $36.  I would call again and
>request an urgent-passport-with-higher-fee.
> 
> 
>Saad.
> 
> 
>-- 
	Let me remind you that urgent passport law applies only
	to a NEW passport request and not to the replacement.
	Government has made now some strict laws for the case
	of lost passports after several cases were found that
	people sell/steal passports with valid visas and after
	changing photos etc use these for illegal entries.

	
Mirza Ilyas
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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: MUSTAFA, READ MY REPLY ON ALT.FLAME. (Re:Let's stop...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:59:43 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan8.031258.37281@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
> 
> 
>  This is my sincere advice to deb to stop this war(crap) here. 
>   I can extend this war to its extreme but unfortuntely my sisters in 
> islam read these newsgroups and as such I have to take care of them.
> 
> I once again inform you to stop this crap . It will be in the benefit for
> both of us.
> 
> 
>  P.S.  Personally I dont want to involve in this crap but unfortunately 
>        sometimes I have to do that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Many of 
> my sisters in islam read these newsgroups and the language that he has used
> here is not fit for the civilized world he should certainly 
> aware of the fact. 


   I AM AWARE OF THE DECENT BEHAVIOR REQUIRED ON THE NETWORK. THAT'S WHY
   I HAVE POSTED MY REPLY ON ALT.FLAME. 

   IF YOU ARE A MAN, READ IT AND REPLY. 

   JO DAAR GAYA, WOH SAMJHO MAAR GAYA !!!!

    - DEB CHATTERJEE
   (A GOOD SAMARITAN)
From: shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistan, a nation waiting to be borned..................
Summary: The power of the Vadera/Zamindaar can be used productively.
Keywords: Hang loose on the caboose !
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:22:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ib5v5INNr6a
Reply-To: shamshoo@u.washington.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu

In Pakistan today the prevalent attitudes of the Vaderas/Zamindaars is still
based upon older principles of Maalik/Ghulaam laid down from one generation
to another.

However, opening up of large urban areas and migration into cities of the
rural population is changing the set up.

The sons and daughters of these Vads, here in U.S and abroad are the future
of Pakistani progress, from their inherent power supplied by their Pakistani
bretheren, they can do marvelous things for Pakistan, like taking small bastis
and neighborhoods and introducing curriculum and training they themselves got
from abroad in science, technology, etc.

These are some of my thoughts towards Pakistani netters who are interested in
Pakistan and are identified by Pakistan. Why is it that, the younger generation
who has benifited so much from the West, and also influenced by it, only take
back Levis, American Accents/Slangs, Pop culture, and leave other good
things they see. (btw, all the above are really great gifts of America to the 
to the rest of the world).

Take Karachi for instance, it has the largest concentration of Vads and their
homes in Pakistan. However, they are used as vacation homes with no touch and
feeling for the city or their neighborhood at all. Why ?


Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.

Q: what is the meaning of life ?
A: still searching............
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Pakistan, India, AT&T and MCI, Phone Fraud and Other Issues
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:27:02 GMT
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks

From: imran (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: AT&T Cancels Service to Pakistan!
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 10:34:56 GMT
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks
Keywords: AT&T, Calling Cards, Pakistan

In <msdesa01.726018439@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> msdesa01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (Mehul Desai) writes:

>Jan 02, 1993
>	AT&T has started the new year with not such a nice beginning for        Pakistan.  Due to overwhelming fradulent use of calling cards and third party 
>to Pakistan from the United States, AT&T is cancelling these services.  A com-  pany spoke'swoman said that there is always going to be illegal use of services offered by a communication company such as AT&T, but when the dollar amount     becomes overwhelming to a particular area, they are forced to take such action. It is not clear whether this will affect the direct-dialling services. MCI & 
>U.S. Sprint are observing AT&T's move but have not indicated their intentions.
>__________________
>Source: News India, reprinted without permission.

>Comments: Well! Well !  A very embarassing situation, don't you think, my dear
>	  Watson! 

Sorry to disappoint you but one cannot use calling cards from various
high ethnic population areas like NY to India, Pakistan, and dozens of other
countries.  Sherlock, it is an EQUALLY embarassing day for you too.

>This follows close on the heals of a CNN report which suggests a recommendation
>by some insiders in the Bush Administration to declare Pakistan a Terrorist State. 

That definitely MUST have been the reason for AT&T's decision, right?  

>Have a very happy new years fella's!

Thanks, and in case you want to reach out and touch someone in India
make sure not to use a calling card, especially in metro areas like New York.
:-)

>Mehul

Imran

----

FYI, and I wonder if someone thinks they are being "clever" to use
this system but causing embarassment to their country, be it Pakistan
or India.



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From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to Editor 12/31/92 About 1947, Ayodhya, etc.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:09:07 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

[...]

>        Of course, the most serious omission in their letter is the
>        chilling possibility that the fanatical religious Bharatiya
>        Janata Party might one day take over the New Delhi government
>        along with its nuclear arsenal and its stable full of
>        expansionist military officers.  The writers bring shame

Replace the words BJP by IJI there and the scenario that this Amer Mufti
talks about has already happened in Pakistan. After all, doesn't the Govt.
there have religious fundamentalist overtones, a stableful of
expansionist Army officers, and nuclear weapons to boot?

A blackened pot begging the kettle not to go black? I doubt it. More like
the self-righteous pot having no clue as to its own blackness.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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