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From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Auctions-Agents
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:31:00 GMT
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: marks@iris.mincom.oz.au's message of 4 Jan 93 01:05:56 GMT


In article <4105@iris.mincom.oz.au> marks@iris.mincom.oz.au (Mark Stavar) writes:

>Greetings Writers,
>
>I have two questions that I would like to field among the readers of this
>group:
>
>1. "Going to Auction ..."
>
>An Australian author, Bryce Courtney, wrote a story (The Power of
>One). When he was ready to try and get it published, he quizzed a few
>publishers about it.  He received such strong interest in the work
>that he decided to take the book _to auction_, and received the
>unheard of sum (for a first book) of Aus $1M ( or so the story goes.
>
>The term implies getting publishers to bid against each other in order
>the get the highest price for the rights to publish the book.  Apart
>from this, can anyone shed light on how one goes to auction?  Is there
>an accepted procedure or forum for doing such a thing?  Can anyone go
>to auction?

In practical terms, you need an agent (and the higher-power, the
better) to go to auction with a work (see below).

>2. Agents
>
>In many other fields of artistic endeavour it is common to have an
>agent to negotiate rights, prices, etc. on behalf of the artist,
>television and film script writers for example.
>
>Is it a common, acceptable, desirable thing to engage and agent for
>the purposes of negotiating on behalf of writer?

Absolutely!  I'm amazed that you think "writers" are different from
"writers" like screenwriters, but they're not.  All "writers" can
possibly benefit from an agent, depending on how hard the agent works
for them, and how good they are.

jas
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From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Gibson's work--possibly titled AGRIPPA
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:38:58 GMT
Organization: IR/PS at UC San Diego
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan11.205304.18407@bnr.ca> grey@bnr.ca (Bryan Miller) writes:
>In article <C0pGHH.Apy@unx.sas.com>, sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
>(Fred Welden) writes:
>  
>> [re: Gibson's AGRIPPA]
>> 
>> Have any of you seen it?  Heard of it?  Have an opinion?
>> 
>> -- 
>> --Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
>>         Hellenic poet of the same name.  |
>
>This is an ongoing thread of alt.cyberpunk
>
>If you go there now, you should be able to find an unexpired copy
>of the text from that work, as well as the tail of the discussion
>thread.
>
>Bryan
(.sig deleted)

You can also mail to: 

future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu 

with the subject "send Agrippa" and that should send it to you.  
Or you can talk to Andy Hawkins at ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu about it.  
Tell him that i sent you.

Matt
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: Dangling Participle;is this grammer?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:27:51 GMT

Scott Thune offers a definition of a dangling participle as a phrase that
doesn't seem related to anything in the sentence. The problem is that the
participle must refer to the subject, so that in Scott's examples--

Before deciding on a strategy, a date has to be choosen.

        On coming back to school, baby-sitters aren't easy to
                find.

The date has to do the deciding (I ignore the misspelling of "chosen"), and
baby-sitters are the ones coming back to school. To correct them we might
write:

Before deciding on a strategy, we have to choose a date.
When mothers go back to school, baby-sitters aren't easy to find. (In this
case we've changed the participial phrase to a subordinate clause; if we
wanted to keep the participle, we could write: On coming back to school,
mothers have trouble finding baby-sitters.)

Most participial phrases begin sentences, but moving them to the end doesn't
change the problem. You just have to remember that what's in the phrase must
apply to the subject, and write the sentence accordingly.


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From: chungkuo@ais.org (Shawn FitzGerald)
Subject: Re: Hypertext Software
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:38:22 GMT

Check out the group alt.hypertext for information. There is a FAQ in the
process of being written which may help you somewhat.


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From: adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco)
Subject: Re: THE NEXT DECADE?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:37:02 GMT

In article <19394@mindlink.bc.ca> Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle) writes:
>So whaddya think.  If the last decade was the eighties and this is the
>nineties,  what will we call the next decade?

The turn of the century, of course.
-- 
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From: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden)
Subject: Re: Gibson's work--possibly titled AGRIPPA
Originator: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:48:46 GMT
Organization: Dobonia


In article <1993Jan11.205304.18407@bnr.ca>, grey@bnr.ca (Bryan Miller) writes:
|In article <C0pGHH.Apy@unx.sas.com>, sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
|(Fred Welden) writes:
|
|> [re: Gibson's AGRIPPA]
|>
|> Have any of you seen it?  Heard of it?  Have an opinion?
|>
|
|If you go there now, you should be able to find an unexpired copy
|of the text from that work, as well as the tail of the discussion
|thread.

Thanks. Several people have e-mailed this as well.  Unfortunately,
alt.cyberpunk is not permitted here in Dobonia.  Fortunately, Matt
Maxwell has offered an alternative route.

Besides, my question was mainly directed not at the textual content of
the piece but at the concept of a read-one-time work.  It seems to me
that the same general idea, combined with some of the hypertext tricks
that Tom Maddox described, could produce a work that changed each time
you read it--it could be re-read, but never the same text twice.  Now
THAT, I think, has some interesting possibilities.

For example, if you went back and re-read the same sex scene too often,
the characters could start getting the feeling they were being watched,
and become more inhibited.  Eventually, they might decide just to go out
to dinner instead.


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From: durway@devnull.tandem.com (Lindsey Durway)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: THE NEXT DECADE?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:20:24 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <19394@mindlink.bc.ca>, Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle) writes:
>So whaddya think.  If the last decade was the eighties and this is the
>nineties,  what will we call the next decade?

Somebody somewhere suggested we call it the "naughties."
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: chungkuo@ais.org (Shawn FitzGerald)
Subject: Re: [Storyspace] hypertext novel ?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:30:46 GMT


A copy of my hypertext poem wchich was published in "Perforations: After the
Book" can be found via anonymous ftp at irie.ais.org in the directory
pub/hypertext. I plan to put some more stuff there eventually, but they
affect my quota and there's no point in having that go way up unless
something's finished is there.

The file is a Storyspace reader for the Mac that's been stuffed and
BinHexed. I believe there's a redme file that says which fonts should be in
your system, etc.

Interested parties should also check out the groups alt.hypertext and
rec.arts.int-fiction.

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quiet and dead makes no difference to Cerebus."
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From: adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:24:18 GMT

In article <C0EHJx.6FL@unx.sas.com> sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden) writes:
>
>have on hand.  I happen to think that one of the beauties of the net is
>the fact that (given sufficient control of the medium, and yourself) you
>need reveal no more about your location, age, sex, race, affectional
>preference, or previous condition of servitude than you wish to reveal.
>You can even lie about any or all of the above.

Now that sounds like fun!  ...who can I be today?

Adelle

-- 
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adelle@cbnewsh.att.com and I'm in New Jersey, in the U.S.A
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: NEXT DECADE
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:51:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <93010.104109BAHRIR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <BAHRIR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>Guess back in the year 1000 it was the 'gosh we're still
>here!' decade :-)

Actually, nobody seemed to be expecting the end of the world in AD 1000.
The idea that they _did_ appears to be a Renaissance fiction, just like
"droit de seigneur" (which apparently didn't happen either: I mean, not
as something that happened *legally.*)

Those interested could read CENTURY'S END by Hillel Schwarz, which came
out a couple of years ago and is very well-researched.

Dorothy J. Heydt
UC Berkeley
cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu

Disclaimer:  UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my
opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any.
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From: chrisc@pro-harold.cts.com (Chris Carstens)
Subject: Re: Auctions-Agents
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:08:29 PST

RE:auctions -- I had a work in one once, but it was small time.  Top bid
ended up being well below $1 zillion US.  But it was fun.

RE: agents.  An absolute must for serious book length work.  Now and then
somebody slips in without one, but it is tough.

Chris.
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From: arc2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (AMY CHARLES)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: NEXT DECADE
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:50:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The first decade of the century is called the "aughts".  As in "aught-seven."
Pleasantly archaic, no?

Amy Charles
Allentown, PA
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: wsthune@iastate.edu (Sir Pooh de Bear)
Subject: Re: Dangling Participle;is this grammer?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:32:34 GMT

In <1icn04INN6f7@morrow.stanford.edu> CT.MMJ@forsythe.stanford.edu (Michelle Jahanpour) writes:

>Can anyone out there tell me what a "dangling participle" is?  It
>sounds really lewd to me!

When in doubt, take a look in your Freshman English handbook.
According to _The Scott, Foresman Handbook for Writers_, a
dangling modifier is "A modifying phrase that doesn't seem
connected to any other word or phrase in a sentence."

The examples offered:

	Before deciding on a strategy, a date has to be choosen.

	On coming back to school, baby-sitters aren't easy to
		find.


-- 
w scott thune
email wsthune@iastate.edu
The fog comes on little cat feet. -- Carl Sandburg
Obviously, Mr. Sandburg never heard a cat walk across a linoleum floor.
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: THE NEXT DECADE?
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 22:01:25 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1993Jan9.064920.18995@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.063702.28123@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco) writes:
>>In article <19394@mindlink.bc.ca> Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle) writes:
>>>So whaddya think.  If the last decade was the eighties and this is the
>>>nineties,  what will we call the next decade?
>>
>>The turn of the century, of course.
>
>Sheesh!  I've just realized we're living in the "fin de siecle"!  Heck,
>we're living in the "fin de millenaire"!

Yes and before the 'when does the turn of the [century/millenia] thread 
starts again...  

Most people will be partying down at midnight Dec 31st 1999.  

The pedants, scientists and some others will refuse to party until the real
turn of the [century/millenia] at midnight Dec 31st 2000.  

Some of us will be partying seriously both times - probably with different 
friends.

The question is, where will the best party be?  Any ideas?  It would make a 
great sub-plot and anyway that's where I want to be that night.

The Pedantic party should be at the South Pole and involve hopping around
the time zones every hour to prolong the party!


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Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Hypertext Fiction
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:49:28 GMT

Eastgate Systems is planning to release several popular titles,
currently available for the Mac, in an IBM-compatible format.
The first titles, Michael Joyce's AFTERNOON, A STORY, and 
Judy Malloy's ITS NAME WAS PENELOPE, should be available later
this winter.

For information, contact
Mark Bernstein
Eastgate Systems, Inc.   134 Main Street   Watertown MA 02172 USA
voice: (800) 562-1638 in USA   +1(617) 924-9044
Eastgate@world.std.com    Compuserve: 76146,262    AppleLink:Eastgate 


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Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Originator: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:40:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dobonia


In <various articles>, various_people@various.locations write:

|[A bunch of stuff both for and against the idea of including your
|physical location in the .sig, so as to clear up possible confusion
|to readers of your posts.]

I'm following up only in misc.writing because some of the other groups 
aren't permitted here in Dobonia.

True, I wouldn't want to get all excited about a vintage Mustang offered
for sale dirt cheap only to discover that the car was in Bognor Regis. 

The seller ought to make it clear in the posting where the car is
located, because that's an important part of my deliberations on buying
it.  But there's no guarantee that the seller's physical location and
the car's physical location are the same, so a .sig that tells me the
seller is in Cupertino, California, USA, Earth, doesn't mean the car
ISN'T in Bognor Regis, does it?

I suppose this seems awfully petty, and the example doesn't have much to
do with writing, does it?  So let's construct a writing example, from
material in an earlier post.  Somebody says he's writing a story in
which the protagonist can't give up his abiding love for fags.  Well, I
say to myself, this guy is either writing in American English (and
offensively) about homosexuals, or British English (and vernacularly)
about cigarettes.  There's no guarantee that the poster learned English
in the same location that he's posting from, so a .sig that tells me the
writer is in Cupertino, California, USA, Earth, doesn't mean he ISN'T a
Britisher talking about cigarettes, does it?

This occurred to me because I happen to be posting from Cary, North
Carolina, but I would never say that someone was "falling off" to mean
that he was losing weight, while I MIGHT say that the geographical
information in a .sig was lagniappe.  I didn't learn English here.
Care to guess where I did learn it?

The bottom line is this: if you want to sell a car, or get your point
across, try to be sure you provide the necessary information to do it.
And before you start salivating over a hot deal or firing off flames at
a gay-basher, think for a moment about the information you might not
have on hand.  I happen to think that one of the beauties of the net is
the fact that (given sufficient control of the medium, and yourself) you
need reveal no more about your location, age, sex, race, affectional
preference, or previous condition of servitude than you wish to reveal.
You can even lie about any or all of the above.

Caveant et emptor et lector.

-- 
--Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
        Hellenic poet of the same name.  |
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: THE NEXT DECADE?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 06:49:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.063702.28123@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco) writes:
>In article <19394@mindlink.bc.ca> Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle) writes:
>>So whaddya think.  If the last decade was the eighties and this is the
>>nineties,  what will we call the next decade?
>
>The turn of the century, of course.

Sheesh!  I've just realized we're living in the "fin de siecle"!  Heck,
we're living in the "fin de millenaire"!

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: Anyone comment on Storyshaper?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:20:09 GMT

Bob Devereaux asks about a program whose actual name is Storyspace. Robert
Coover did indeed discuss it approvingly and at length in the NY Times Book
Review last summer. I've used it a bit, but haven't really explored its
potential. It's a useful outliner, and if I had the time it would be fun to
see how it works in creating a hypertext work of fiction. Eastgate, which
produces Storyspace, also publishes hypertext fiction. I have no idea if
they're working on a PC version.


--
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North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
Usenet: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca
Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca

Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: grey@bnr.ca (Bryan Miller)
Subject: Re: Gibson's work--possibly titled AGRIPPA
Reply-To: grey@bnr.ca (Bryan Miller)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:53:04 GMT

In article <C0pGHH.Apy@unx.sas.com>, sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
(Fred Welden) writes:
  
> [re: Gibson's AGRIPPA]
> 
> Have any of you seen it?  Heard of it?  Have an opinion?
> 
> -- 
> --Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
>         Hellenic poet of the same name.  |

This is an ongoing thread of alt.cyberpunk

If you go there now, you should be able to find an unexpired copy
of the text from that work, as well as the tail of the discussion
thread.

Bryan

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From: scip2124@nusunix1.nus.sg (MARC PAUL JOREF VAN LOO)
Subject: Luke Rhineheart banned?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:23:00 GMT

  I read two magnificent books of Luke Rhineheart,
  the dice man, and WIM.
  But although some booksellers have heard of him,
  they wouldn't know how to track his books.
  On a recent visit to the U.S, I heard that his 
  books are no longer published!

  Anybody any information on his books (has he
  written any other ones?), or on sneaky ways
  to obtain copies of them?

 
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: an1060@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Early Learning Penmanship??
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: misc.writing
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:43:44 GMT

X-Anon-To: misc.writing


Hello,

A friend of mine is interested in the way penmanship is taught to children.
He wants to know about the method that involves printing the letters on a
grid, where each letter is confined to different areas (I vaguely recall doing
this in elementary school).  Does someone know the name for this method??
Can you suggest some references??

Thanks in advance!!

Abe

mantell@ams.sunysb.edu

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From: urcml+@pitt.edu (Mun L Chan)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: WritePro, 1st Aid for Writers, WANDAH, SWANDAH
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:47:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: urcml@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

Hi everyone,

	I like to know if anyone is familiar/using either of the software WritePro and First Aid for Writers. If so, could you give me your opinion about how useful they are. I am especially interested in software to help in academic-type writing (papers, thesis, articles, research oriented pieces). Will either of these two programs help or are there others out there for this purpose. It would also be helpful if I can get the ftp address of the company if one exists.
	Another product I have read about is call WANDAH and an update called SWANDAH, anyone know whether these programs are available, I believe they are out of UCLA and thus not sure if they are commercially available or not.

Thanks,

MunLeong Chan


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