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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:54:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.015725.1365@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:


|> >that one.

|> australia defeated puerto rico by 40 points, which was 2 points more
|> than what the USA could do... 38 points
|> 
|> which proves if the dream team played australia, i feel australia would
|> be the team closest to beat the USA , even maybe, kick their asses.
|> i hoped and prayed australia played USA.... (honestly!!! (barkley!!))

Bryan, it seems to me that you are just trying to kick the hornet's nest
and see if the hornets will buzz, because you cannot honestly believe what
you are saying.  If you do, you've got to stop drinking so many Fosters!
  You seem to forget that Australia also got their butts kicked 
by the CIS, Lithuania, and Croatia.  And the U.S. easily beat Croatia twice
and Lithuania once.  The CIS, Lithuania, and Croatia are on the second
tier of international talent and Australia lags a bit behind this level.
Their sixth place finish was quite representative of their standing.

|> note this...
|> 
|> andrew gaze: guard, played for the seatle supersonics, italian side,
|> Udine, NBL side, Melb. Tigers.
|> 
|> lucian J. Longley : college star for new mexico, drafted 7th in NBA last
|> season, and is now playing in the NBA with the minessotta t-wolves.
|> 

|> 
|> andrew vlahov: an illustrious carreer, playing for stanford as captain
|> in his last year and taking them to the famous, NIT tournament and
|> winning. got offers from the LA Lakers, but turned them down, for a $1
|> million dollar contract with the Perth Wildcats (aust) in the NBL.

Andrew Gaze got a tryout, with Seattle I believe, but could not make the 
team.  Luc Longley was a major mistake by one of the worst-run (if not the
absolute worst) team in the NBA.  He looked pitiful in every game I saw
him in last year.  I think he averaged about 4 points per game.  And New
Mexico is hardly a basketball power.

I watched Andrew Vlahov play his whole career at Stanford, and while
he was definitely instrumental in Stanford's NIT championship, not even
the most avid Stanford fan would tell you he was good enough to play in
the NBA.

The NBA could easily put together 5 to 10 dream teams, each of which would
cream the best Australia could offer.  In fact, the Australian team is way
outclassed by any of the NBA's 27 teams.  They would probably be beat by
many of the top college teams as well.

So let's not hear any more of this crap from you Australian trash talkers!

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Predictions
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:43:01 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug26.151055.11939@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.192309.7676@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>>
>>ATLANTIC                  
>>New York              Best coach in NBA
>>Miami                 Team on the rise
>>New Jersey            Well balanced team
>>Philadelphia          Balanced team, but need a good center
>>Boston                Lewis is the whole team
>>Washington            Will not win with Adams shooting 39%!  
>>Orlando               Shaq will need more support
>
>
>ATLANTIC:
>
>New York Knicks		- A Lock unless they chock again
>Boston Celtics		- Lewis and Company (Pickney & Fox play more)
>New Jersy Nets		- So much talent but so few brains
>Miami Heat		- Wildcard IMO could do anything (real puzzle)
>Philadelphia 76ers	- Let the guards dribble around and shoot (Don't Miss)
>Orlando Magic		- If I hear the B52's anymore I will lose it
>Washington Bullets	- Pray that King comes back healthy

Well, here's my two cents worth

New York		- best team and coach
Boston			- Lewis establishes himself as 3rd best shooting guard
Miami			- Talent galore.  Look for a big trade to help out.
Nets			- Talent, ok.. Coach will help...
Magic			- Shaq makes an impact, and with others, pull out of 
			  cellar
Bullets			- Somehow manage to get past the 76ers
76ers			- Really hurting.  I don't see the 3 guard rotation
			  working like some others do.  They will flounder, 
			  searching for an identity...
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Beer,(was Re: Who's gonna win it all?)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:25:04 GMT

>
>>There is NO good beer mentioned above.  Try New Amsterdam, Anchor, Sam Adams if
>>you want to drink american beer.
>
>Sorry, the best American beer is Red Hook, from Seattle. Actually there are 
>a hell of a lot of good beers from the northwest. Try Black Hook too.
>
    Well as long as were talking about beer from anywhere in the US, I'd have
    to suggest Point Beer, brewed in Stevens Point, WI. Home of the tiny school
    Terry Porter used to call home. Hmmmm, he spends a lot of time in the
    northwest, I wonder what he'd prefer. Quick, somebody get him on the phone
    so we can get another opinion on this earth-shaking subject!!

    --salty

>Jeff Jonsson
>Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
>==============================================================================
>--"It's the sound of the secret--  jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
>-- machinery at the center of  --  jjonsson@utahlib.bitnet
>-- the world." -Cliff Steele   --  "You talkin' to me?"


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From: dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel M. DuBois)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:33:50 GMT

sting@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Joe Bennett) writes:

>In article <Btz1AL.EJ8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel M. DuBois) writes:
>>msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
>>>"Somewhat better?" That's like saying Dan Quayle is "somewhat stoopid."
>>
>>>Fact is the Lakers and Celtics won many a game where Bird or Magic
>>>scored under 10 points. They didn't have to rely on their scoring, 
>>>although they could score pretty freakin' well. I seem to recall some
>>>amazing Bird shootouts - 50+ points. In his prime, they weren't all
>>>that rare either. So, how is Jordan's 50+ point game "much better" than
>>>Bird's or Magic's? Do tell. Points is points.
>>
>>>________________________________________________________________________
>>>Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
>>
>>well maybe its that Jordan has so many more of them.....
>>
>>Theres an easy way to solve this folx... add up everyone's points per game
>>average and assists per game average (times 2) for the last 5-6 years and
>>compare...
>>
>>-Dan
>>
>>Jordan is God.

>Answer me this... Are you one of those rotisserie (sp) geeks? 
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^^^
         I dunno, what does this mean? -----^             ^
                                                          ^
                                                        Nope.

-Dan
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:33:20 GMT

In article <2AA270A5.1272@orion.oac.uci.edu> snguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu (Son Nguyen) writes:
>I saw a blurp on ESPN last night stating that the Clips will get
>Stanley Roberts and Mark Jackson, the Knicks will get *Charles Smith*,
>Doc Rivers and Bo Kimble, and the Magic will get some draft picks
>(don't remember what/when...).  
...
>I don't know what the Magic gain from this (I guess money for the Shaq).

The problem with trading Roberts is that Orlando is over the salary cap.  Thus,
they either trade with a team that also over the cap for a player of comparable
value or they trade with a team that is under the cap and end up, after the
trade, back under the cap.  With the recent signing of of Anthony Bowie, Don
Royal, and Litterial Green, Orlando is probably ~$3.5M over the cap, so the
second option (in the rumored case, trading with New York) is out.
Unfortunately, in determining Roberts' "worth" in terms of comparable value, a
little-known clause in the salary cap rules comes in to play.  Because his
salary increased by more than 30%, his value is set as the value of his last
contract ($550K).  Therefore, in a trade Orlando can only get a player with
a current contract of about $0.5M.  This is why the Magic have to "settle" for
draft picks in the trade.  It has nothing to do with O'Neal.

I hope the rumor is true.

Tom@Orlando
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From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:57:25 GMT

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:


>In article <1992Aug25.173042.21717@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling) writes:

>     I've been reading several messages about how the "DREAM TEAM" would have
>   essentially wiped the floor with the Australian team.

>   While being a huge Dream Team Fan (and who isn't) I admit I'm a little biased
>   but....


>   The point is mute, since 


>Ah, if only it were.

>Bill

>p.s. you know, I get a small amount of satisfaction out of beating Gidi to
>that one.
>--
>-------------------------------
>	Bill Mangione-Smith
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu

Just remember one and all, the performances of the australian team


considering australia is relatively young on the world scale of being
a big basketball nation, note this

australia defeated puerto rico by 40 points, which was 2 points more
than what the USA could do... 38 points

which proves if the dream team played australia, i feel australia would
be the team closest to beat the USA , even maybe, kick their asses.
i hoped and prayed australia played USA.... (honestly!!! (barkley!!))


and remember australia also kicked the germans butts, by 30 points.
so just remember, stop discrimminating the australian team until you see
their potential....

note this...

andrew gaze: guard, played for the seatle supersonics, italian side,
Udine, NBL side, Melb. Tigers.

lucian J. Longley : college star for new mexico, drafted 7th in NBA last
season, and is now playing in the NBA with the minessotta t-wolves.

mark bradtke: oh no!, awesome, nearly got drafted by the trailblazers
(NBA) but NBA restrictions kept him from joining, also had offers from
the Detroit Pistons, but turned them down..., now plays in a spanish 1st
division team..

andrew vlahov: an illustrious carreer, playing for stanford as captain
in his last year and taking them to the famous, NIT tournament and
winning. got offers from the LA Lakers, but turned them down, for a $1
million dollar contract with the Perth Wildcats (aust) in the NBL.

Shane Heal, Larry Sengstock, Phil Smyth, John Dorge, Damien Keogh, Ray
Borner, Mike Mckay, ...etc, all great players in australia's NBL......


australia, was well and capable of defeating the USA, and giving them
the biggest nightmare, just australia needs a new direction from now to
atlanta and for sydney 2000, a new coach, and assistant, some new youth
(lots of it that aust. aren't using) and inject some more class into
australia's team, by playing more international games, and showing how
good australia really is....

comments welcome!

Blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: What is this world coming to...
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:08:58 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	I just saw that former Milwaukee Buck and Atlanta Hawk Sidney
	Moncrief was arrested yesterday for aggravated assault, when he
	broke a customer's arm at his car dealership with a golf club.
	The reason for the attack was not disclosed.

	From what I remember of Moncrief -- he was not only a great player
	and stellar defender -- he was also a model citizen.  Didn't he
	win the NBA's citizenship award one season for his work with the
	community?  What's this world coming to...

	Jazzy J
-- 
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|   just like everybody else does..." - The Smiths| jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | 
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From: dolsen@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Mike
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:06:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug26.153831.26828@das.harvard.edu>, vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes...
>In article <1992Aug26.152918.8233@uwm.edu>, rdesai@ee.uwm.edu (Rajiv Desai) writes:
>|> What are all these fuss about Jordan, Bird and Magic? Sure they are all-time
>|> greats. But when it comes to the game there is nobody better than Mike. How
>|> many times the game is on line and ball in his hand and the whole world knows
>|> what he is to do and opposition also know and still watch him destroy them.
>|> This purely amazing.
> 
>I couldn't watch this one go by of course. You didn't watch the NBA any in the
>80's did you? Otherwise, you would have realized that Bird and Magic have won
>more games "on the line", in the last minutes, while the opposition just watched
>helplessly, than Mike. or perhaps, you chose to overlook this, like everyone else
>who, for no reason, are trying to undermine Larry and Magic's NBA
>accomplishments. If you watched the double-OT Celtics vs. Blazers game, you would
>have gotten a little hint of what Larry did on a regular basis in the 80's... A
>great in-your-face impossible shot that won a game on the line. Please don't
>try to get away with saying Mike is the best because he wins the most games on
>the line. You won't.
> 
>-- Venk -- 

Sorry, you're wrong.  As many times as I watched Bird and Magic do it, Mike
does it more.  Kareem hit a ton of the pressure shots for the Lakers
(probably more than any of these three) with the skyhook.  Heck, I watched
two finals games in '84 and '85 to see great clutch shots (what about
DJ in 1985?). 

Nobody compares to Mike in the last 3 minutes of a game.  He hits the last
6 shots of a tight game, not just the last one and everyone in the place knows
it.  The Celtics always could count on the starting 5, even in crunchtime. 
Nobody compares to Mike at the end of a game because if you need a basket,
he finds a way everytime.  He seemed to do it every playoff game in'89.
Remember.

David Olsen
From: lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: thanks ed and dave
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:59:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <1992Aug27.133942.30188@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug26.231012.9902@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
> >Folks, enjoy it while it lasts. Dave and Ed will go at it again soon.
> >Maybe we should have a contest as to predict what the topic of their
> >next flame war will be, huh?
> 
> Hey, even better..  How about a net.survey to PICK the topic of our next
> flame war:-)
> -- 
> David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
> VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
> uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
> davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
> 
> 

I have a good solution that should please everyone. Dave and Ed should take
this nonsense to e-mail where they can joust forever without wasting
extreme amounts of bandwidth. Despite what everyone on the net seems to
think, this is not free. It is subsidized by many organizations. It is
OK to have fun in this newsgroup. However, a personal arguement like this
should go to e-mail.

OR do Dave and Ed really think we would miss this :-/

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall)
Subject: Re: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:10:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.134908.13088@research.nj.nec.com> adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter) writes:
   What??  Can anyone confirm this?  (At least the report, if not the
   trade?)  I don't understand.  It doesn't really make sense for the
   Knicks.  Are you sure they were to get Rivers and Kimble?  Smith I can
   understand.  But the Knicks currently have Gerald Wilkins, Rolando
   Blackman, rookie Hubert Davis, 2nd-year PG Greg Anthony, John Starks,
   and Mark Jackson.  There's no way they're going to carry 6 guards, and
   if they move Jackson and end up with Rivers and Kimble, they'll have
   7!  And it would be uncharacteristic of the (now) solid Knicks front
   office to trade more draft picks after swapping their '95
   first-rounder for Rolando Blackman.

The '95 pick is worthless to the Knicks as that is the year that Ewing has
his new backloaded salary (Aprrox 15 million).  So the Blackmon trade was
great for the Knicks --- They didn't give up anything (assuming the salary
cap still exists).

Hope Roberts changes his mind.

ah
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: kettler@ahab.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:33:00 GMT

In article <Btz1AL.EJ8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel M. DuBo writes...
> 
>Theres an easy way to solve this folx... add up everyone's points per game
>average and assists per game average (times 2) for the last 5-6 years and
>compare...

Thanks, Dan. If one does this, then he or she will determine that this question 
is moot since it proves that Oscar Robertson is better than any of them with 
his triple double over a six-year period.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Sixers Fanatic"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:15:36 GMT

>>
>>85-86  o Only played 18 games due to injury 
What kind of injury did he have that year?  I don't remember him missing
a season...

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From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.192309.7676@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>
>LA Lakers             Magic's return will still not be enough
		       ^^^^^^^
		       Is it offical now
        


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Who's gonna win it all? (was Re: Predictions)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:52:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.203652.9107@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.192309.7676@cc.umontreal.ca>, iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>|> 
>|> Here are my predictions
>|>  for the 92-93 NBA season
>|> 
>|> Milwaukee             Good beer
                          ^^^^^^^^^
   At least we something going for us!

>as several others, they will be playoff bound. I still think Charlotte has the
>most promise of the expansion teams, even though MIami made the playoffs
>because of the changes made in the off-season (primarily adding Mourning

    What, no mention of Milwaukee as an expansion team? ;) This is basically
    what they are after all the changes.

>My picks look something like this:
>
>	Milwaukee	(cellar city... stagnant team)
>
    I agree with the cellar part, but stagnant? The only holdovers from
    last year's team are Moses Malone, Alvin Robertson, Frank Brickowski,
    Danny Schayes and Fred Roberts. And it's questionable as to whether
    the last two guys will be around this year.

    The Bucks will suck for awhile, but at least they're making changes.

    --salty


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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 16:25:00 GMT

In article <92245.080754IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep01.125914.7775@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca
>(Andrew Markham P205) woofs:
>>
>> [much cheerleading deleted]
>>
>> [of Jordan:]
>>
>>o Only 2nd player to win NBA Championship and lead league in scoring
>>  the same season (Kareem 1971) -- he has done it twice
>
>Doesn't this seem odd?  That means that, prior to 1991, only
>one NBA champion in some godawful number of years (I don't
>know how far back Andrew looked) had a scoring leader on
>the team.  That's less than you'd expect if the champion
>were chosen randomly!
>
>Clearly this is telling us something.  Probably scoring
>leaders tend to have Mitch Richmond Syndrome, and their
>teams lose when the going gets tough.
>
>Tom Hyer

I read this in one of my 1989 Sports Illustrated's and it mentioned that 
this was true back to the beginning of the shot clock (1954?).

It didn't say if it was true before then or not.

I checked and found that it has happened 6 times overall...

Year     Championship Team    Leading Scorer
-------  -----------------    --------------
1946-47  Philadelphia         Joe Fulks
1948-49  Minneapolis          George Mikan
1949-50  Minneapolis          George Mikan
1970-71  Milwaukee            Lew Alcindor (became Kareem the next year)
1990-91  Chicago              Michael Jordan
1991-92  Chicago              Michael Jordan

BTW, this isn't cheerleading per se (although I knew it would be
perceived as much), I just wanted the information for myself and thought
others might be interested, as well as start threads on their favorite
players (insert Magic/Bird where appropriate...).

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.