From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Anthony Rose; answering ----------->   Gordon
Keywords: The distortions of a frenzied mind
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:57:09 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec15.141435.5962@infonode.ingr.com> tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer) writes:

>   Let's examine
>   Tony's beliefs of what Mormons Believe.
>
>   After all, he claims that he's read it all, and understands it all
>   from a LDS point of view.

I never have claimed that.  You know Kermit, here we go again.  You
accusing me of things that are just absolutely false.  I noticed that you
deleted out all of the portion of this letter where I challenged you on
you last accusation that was false.  Remember, the one where you
accused me of using references without quoting the author.  You said that
I did it with such detail, why I even copied the errors.  I challenged
you to post my words and the referrences that I supposedly copied.

But you cut it all out and didn't face my challenge.  Why?  Why do you
make accusations about me that are not true?  Especially when you can't
back them up?  Why do you ignore my challenges for you to back them up?

>>When I talk about being saved, I am talking about spending eternity in
>>the presence of God.  You do not believe that all but a few will do that.
>>Your universal salvation is the same as resurrection and only gets
>>Mormons in good standing to the position of spending eternity with God.
>
>   Really!   So the resurrection is _NOT_ the same as being saved? Just
>   a few weeks ago _you_ claimed that _this_ is what is meant by Eternal
>   Life.  Are you claiming that there is more to Eternal Life than
>   the Resurrection of the Just and Living with God?

Again, I have never said resurrection equals "being saved".  I defined
what I meant my being save above.  Didn't you read it or are you too
busy attacking ME instead of the issues.  Look just above these words,
you even copied it!  According to the Bible there is a physical
ressurection for everyone. The just will be ressurected to Everlasting
Life, and the just to condemnation. I have never said contrary to that.
Why do you accuse me of saying things I have never dreamed of?

>   Gordon's right again "you just don't speak my language". It dosnt't
>   matter how many times, people say it and you won't comprehend.

Maybe if you would read my posts instead of scanning them for where you
can attack me, things would be clearer.

>   Seeing and see not. Hearing and hearing not. When you accept Christ,
>   he will both open your ears and your eyes. He can still preform miracles
>   He can cure both your blindness and your deafness.

Tell me Kermit, when I "accept Christ" according to your standards, will
I then posts sexually nasty jokes on alt.jokes like you do?  Does every
one in your church talk like that?  Wow, I didn't realize what it was
like to be the elect of God.

>>Everyone else gets one of the other two "kingdoms", but God is only in
>>the Heaven where Mormons who have been married in the temple will spend
>>eternity.  Therefore, when I speak of "saved" I am taking about what you
>>would consider "celestial kingdom".  And isn't it true that non-Mormons
>>are the only ones that will get there?  Therefore, you can't say that
>>you believe everyone is saved in the sense that most will spend eternity
>>in the presence of God. Only married Mormons will do that.
>
>	in your frenzied mind, God is only in the Exalted Part of the
>	Celestial Kingdom?  Gee, I haven't heard that distortion for
>	quite some time.
>
>	I had always heard that Jesus was God, and that He was in one of
>	the other Kingdoms where the honest in heart, the honorable people
>	of the earth lived. How long have be you Tony been involved
>	with Mormons, and you still don't know even the basics?
>
>	As for "Only married Mormons will do that"  that is another of
>	your deliberate distortions. This point has been discussed to
>	death in this forum. Since you seem incapable, of understanding
>	what has been presented before, why repeat anything for you.

Are you saying that anyone other than Mormons who have been married in
the Temple will go to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom?  If
that is your claim, could you post where the church teaches that?

>>If you reach out to the wrong Jesus, the real one will have no mercy on
>>you.
>
>	That's where Tony, your wrong again, the real Jesus, will have
>	mercy on you. Just because you have worshiped at the altar of
>	greed and idolarty, Jesus stands at the door and when/if you
>	answer, he will come in.

Right, he stands at the door and knocks.  But if you pass out of this
life without opening it, THEN he has no mercy.  That was my point!

And he does warn about worshipping at the alters of other Gods.

The first commandment said, "THOU SHAL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME"

Why don't you worship the same God that Brigham did?  Was he worshipping
the wrong God, or are you?  Because his Gos was ADAM.  Is yours?
Which one of you are wrong?  Was he a false prophet?  If not, you had
better start bowning to Adam.
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