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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween party ideas wanted
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:00:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

My son will be five on the 20th and wants to have a Halloween party
with "everyone dressed as something from a haunted house, like ghosts
and bats.  No princesses!"  We've grown a fair number of pumpkins is
our garden so I was thinking of inviting five or six kids and having
the parents stay and help each kid carve a pumpkin.  How does this
sound?  Would you think it was wierd if you were asked to stay at
a 5-year-old's party?

		--  maggie


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Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:55:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.180113.4039@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>

>   "In some sections of Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia and among certain
>Muslim groups, removal of the clitoral hood or, more extremely, the
>entire clitoris, is still performed today, usually a a part of the
>ritual passage into womanhood." - Khattab, A. A.  "Anti-Female
>Circumcision," (editorial) _Sexuality Today_, volume 6, pgs 1-3.

Infibulation-
More extremely, in some African and Islamic areas female circumcision
involves removal of the clitoral hood, clitoris and inner labia. The
cut edges where the inner labia were are sewn together, and a tube is
placed to allow an opening in the tissue near the urethra so urine is
not sealed between the urinary meatus and the flap when it heals. A knife
must be used to permit sexual intercourse, and delivery complications are
commonplace because of the adhesions restricting vaginal expansion.

PLEASE - don't donate to UNICEF until they agree to stop performing this
procedure in their childrens' hospitals. By 'medicalizing' the practice,
it is given greater legitimacy. The operation is also frequent in the
Phillipines. If you have ever watched an infibulated woman walk - she takes
narrow, tight little steps since the band of tissue grabs and pulls 
and causes pain with every long step. Watching the Egyptian women's 
karate team is a revelation - they use very short kicks. It isn't funny.

 


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birthday Ideas (in need of)
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:05:00 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1781@pacvax.UUCP> bl@pacersoft.com (Bill) writes:
>Hello to all who have done this several times already. :-)  My son will be
>turning 2 this November and my wife and I are trying to come up with a few
>fun things for the kids to do during the party.
>I would REALLY appreciate any input you may have on birthday party ideas to
>make my sons b-day a memorable ad fun day.
>

I didnt bother with any organizd games for my son's 2nd birthday, but he
was invited to one where there were activities. It worked pretty well. The
kids were all about 2y.o. The oldest was 2.5 and the youngest was 20 months
(my son). The first activity was design your own hats. There were pieces of
paper cut out, so that if you connected the ends they looked like crowns. 
There was a table with crayons, markers ans stickers. The kids enjoyed making
them, but my son was the only one who wore it (I think he forgot he had it on).
Next there was a 'fishing game' where the kids were given a fishing pole with a
clothes pin at the end of the rope. They threw it over a 2 foot partition, and
a little gift was attached to it. The older kids seemed to like the process,
but mostly the gifts were a sucess. Jeffrey got a little flashlight. Next the
mother brought out a large box that she decorated with Sesame Street figures,
and bean bags. The kids were supposed to throw the bags in the box. Two of
the boys climbed in, and that was the end of that. Each child got to take
home one of the bean bags.

The nice part of it was that the party really was for the kids. The parents
had another party for everyone else a couple of days later. This was just the
birthday boy and 7 friends. I am not sure any of the activiies were that much
of a sucess, but worked well enough.

When my son had his birthday, I just opted for no structure. That worked well
too, and was much easier.

Laura Floom
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Co-oping & Once-a-month cooking, info wanted
Date: 25 Sep 92 12:54:26 GMT
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Distribution: usa
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

In article <19qodaINNlgt@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> davids@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (David
Schwantner) writes:
>
>Some families here in San Diego are thinking of starting doing some
>coop buying and "Once-a-Month" cooking together. First the request, then
>an explanantion of what these things are for those who don't know.
>We are looking into what suppliers of both "health food" and regular
>groceries who will sell bulk to a coop. We have the catalog from Mountain
>Peoples Wharehouse, but no others. Any suggestions would help.
>Next, Any advice from people who have done or are doing either of these
>things would be appreciated.

I was part of a food coop in college (SUNY@Buffalo), and we had an
arrangement with the local farmer's market...they gave us cartons and
cartons of fresh fruits and veggies for mere peanuts.  You might
want to check out your local farmer's market for something similar.


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:43:06 GMT

In article <GeraldR.88.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman) writes:
>My 9 year old still likes having her back rubbed to help her go to sleep. I 
>think this started in day care around the time she was 2 or 3.
>
>I don't remember ever wanting this. Do other children like it? Is there 
>something significant about rubbing the back that really helps (like 
>twirling hair in pre-schoolers)? Or is it just a habit that works for her 
>because a carer told her it would 6 or seven years ago? She says other kids 
>she know like it to, but I wonder if she told them about it?

I enjoyed having my back rubbed for as long as I can remember.
I have always thought it was one of the most relaxing things to have done.
Not only to go to sleep. I would often hop up on Mom's lap and ask her to
do it. Bless her, she did do it most times I asked her! :-) I think
it stopped (unless I had sore muscles or needed Ben Gay or Vicks or
something) somewhere around 12.  Now I have my husband to do it. :-)

---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:14:34 GMT

In article <16870D446.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>I just had to comment after I read the post about the little girl who wants to
>grow up to be a wife and mother.  This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
> 
>My daughter (now age 9) says that she is going to be a doctor when she grows
>up.  She also wants to get married and have children, but she tell us that
>there is no way she will have 4 children (like Mom does).  I think that she
>has a realistic view of things.
> 
>Yes, it is possible to mix career and family.  But, it is extremely difficult
>and gets more difficult the more kids you have.  You have to make trade offs
>that other (non-parent) types don't need to make.  It is impossible to 'have it
>all' - I get to go to some of the kids school activities (but miss others
>because of work conflicts) and I get a career (but am not advancing as fast
>by choice as I could be).
> 
>I grew up with parents who said "When you go to college." and "When you have
>a job." - It never occurred to me not to do this.  But, I wanted a family also.
>I got my wish with Kelly (9), Katie (6 1/2), Timmy (3 1/2) and Tommy (3 1/2).
>I would not give them up for anything.  But...
> 
>I am so very tired.  My biggest wish is to have just one evening where I
>could sit down at 8 pm and KNOW that EVERYTHING that needed to be done is done.
>I don't mean everything that should get done, I mean the necessities.
> 
>My second biggest wish (which ocassionally gets fulfilled by my husband) is
>to spend the day in my house ALL ALONE.  I am never alone (I think it's time
>to enforce some bathroom privacy rules at our house :).
> 
>I think that children these days (especially the girls) should be given a
>realistic picture of the choices they have and not be led to believe that they
>can 'have it all'.
> 
>Thanks for listening,
>Teresa
> 
>PS Companies need to allow some flexibility - alternate work weeks, part
>   time, etc.  Most of them don't (even when they publically say they do).


I really feel for you.  I have one little guy (1 year old on Friday), a
demanding job and a husband who (quite rightly) would like a piece of my time 
too.  I empathize heartily. There doesn't seem to be enough of me to go 
around...or at least...to go around successfully.  I can't imagine having 
four kids and surviving the fatigue and boy do I relate to the fantasy of 
spending some time ALONE! (Temper that with my "be careful what you wish 
for" fears....I know I'm lucky and happy....but so tired.)  God Bless. 


Barbara
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:52:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: exu.1992Oct5.165255.5465
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article AA03398@panhed.psc.edu, grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
> 
> One high chool near mine had a girl named "Orange Pulp".  this was the mid-70's.
> 
> Anyone rememeber the footbal player "Chip Glass"?
> 
> -Shirl


I went to school with a boy name Sunkist.  His mother (who didn't speak English)
 wanted to give him an English name.

Serena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lisa@icase.icase.edu (Lisa A. Leutenegger)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.170406.957@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>However, I find that when I'm in labour I start throwing up and the
>last thing I want is food or drink!

I had this problem during the first part of labor also - I called my midwife
and she encouraged me to continue eating small amounts of food (toast) & 
drinking juice anyways.  So I did - and I kept throwing up.  I wasn't real
hungry but I was very thirsty.

>How about it, anyone get hungry during labour?   Now, AFTERWARDS I was
>ravenous and the cafeteria was closed...

I was starving afterwards also - so they brought me a lunch which was really
disgusting - I ended up throwing that up also.  - I'm suprized I didn't throw up
all the hospital food I ate - it was horrible.  I gave birth at a hospital with
a kosher cafeteria - they only brought me 1 cup of milk all day - my calcium
for the evening meal was brocolli!  Just what a breastfeeding mom needs.  They
also brought me caffinated coffee with every meal.  They must have a brilliant
nutritionist working for them.


lisa leutenegger   -  mom to alexander ivan - 7 1/2 weeks 13 pounds and growing
lisa@icase.edu

(several people asked me to post my short/drug free labor story - I'm
working on it - along with the story of moving with a 2 1/2 week old baby)
From: eaton@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bob Eaton x3478)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: you know you're a parent when....
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:24:45 EST
Distribution: na

...when you come to work with a Ronald McDonald bandaid on your finger :-)

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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:19:15 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:

|	Heck  I used to joke about giving my daughter a sleeping pill
|	to calm her down.  I never thought a bunch of people would
|	sanction it through teh medical community.

I guess you've only seen the postings of the neurologists,
psychiatrists, and other doctors and pharmacological experts who have
said that there is no relationship between sleeping pills, sedation,
or calming down and administration of Ritalin for ADD.  But I guess
you didn't read them.

(I'm adding him to my 'must read' list of posters on sci.med, for
entertainment value alone.)
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Preparing a Toddler for Moving
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:52:35 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

We will be moving in a few weeks.  I'd like to prepare my son Brad (age
2 1/4) as much as possible.  If anyone has any suggestions of how I
can do this I'd be grateful.

We are building a new house about 25 minutes away from our current house.
(My husband got transferred to a job about an hour away, so we are moving
to middle ground.)  Brad has watched the construction process, and we
visit the house about every weekend.  He knows it is our NEW house,
and he knows which room will be his.  I have been telling him that when
the house is done, we'll bring all our furniture over, and his bed,
and we'll live and sleep and eat there. We also have a Sesame Street
book called "When Grover Moved to Sesame Street", that talks about moving,
and we have been reading that.

Brad and his baby sister Carrie will continue going to the same daycare
provider, so I'm not worried about an upheaval there.  But we have good
friends who are next door neighbors at our old house.  How do I tell
Brad that the old house is not our house anymore, when we visit friends?

Another possible problem is that we have to move out of the old house
at the end of this month, but I'm not sure the new house will be done
yet.  We may have to live at Grandma's for a week or two, and we won't
have any of Brad's furniture or toys there.

I'll post a summary of responses if anyone is interested.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2 1/4 years, and Carrie, 3 1/2 months
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:41:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.z2-pxg_
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <36Te02NJ24Bm01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> avs20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (  134  Atul V Salgaonkar) writes:
>I have always been generally impressed with Dr. Spock but am a bit
>confused with the recent press reports about his stands against drinking
>milk. The newspapers and tv have not given much of scientific basis but
>instead just catchy phrases like "No More Milk and Cookies?"
>I would like to know more about :
>- Potential link to diabetes
>- Risks of drinking calcium  thru milk
>- Risks associated with drinking cow's milk at different age groups
>Of course, I agree that breastmilk is the best nutrition for infants.
>Finally, while I like Dr. Spock as a pioneer in child care and a peace
>activist, he may be in error- on the other hand, the dairy milk lobby here
>in US is very strong (funny TV commercials, though). Thanks for reading,

I was disappointed not with Spock but with Frank Oski, who
is sometimes a bit extreme but this time goes a little too
far, IMHO. This sort of activity is more typical of Spock.

My "beefs" with the cow milk conference include the following:

1. The diabetes linkage hasn't been confirmed by anyone else, and
the paper also finds the linkage only in kids given cow's milk in the
first year of life. All competent pediatricians advise against
cow's milk in the first year of life! It is quite hard on
the stomach at that age. (please note that milk-based formula
has been processed to eliminate the problem of gastric irritation).

2. The "no more milk and cookies" refrain should be addressed to
the cookies (which have no redeeming nutritional value) more
than the milk, which is a nearly unbeatable source of calcium.

3. The apparent inability of the participants to recognize
the existance of reduced fat milk. You can feed your kid
milk with essentially *no* fat, as opposed to the 50% of
calories you get with whole milk.

4. The idea of replacing milk as a calcium source with
kale or collard greens is patently absurd. Kids will just
end up with much less calcium in their diets.

I suspect there is an element of political correctness gone
amok in this press conference. Not an unusual occurrence in
the world of organized pediatrics.

Brian
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:13:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Oct5.151424.23118@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I had a friend in college whose father is a proctologist... Dr.
Shatman.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: sandy@anasaz (Sandy Young)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Date: 25 Sep 92 23:08:54 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <!t8nyd=.sue@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>In article <92266.175718LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>>In regards to pushing down on the uterus by the nurses after birth.
>
>I think I read about it somewhere, but nobody ever DID it to me
>after my daughter was born.  
>
>Seriously - perhaps uterine massage is only indicated after a
>multiple-birth gestation or on second+ pregnancies?

 Well, they came in and did it to me too! This was my first child,
 AND he was delivered c-section, so............

 (I thought I had sadistic nurses!)



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From: padgett@inyo.caltech.edu (Deborah Padgett)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: camping with a baby
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:26:50 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, University of Massachusetts at Amherst


My husband and I took our daughter Anna (age at time of trip 5.5 months)
for a weekend of camping at Acadia National Park, Maine. It was 
unusually cool for mid-September, with highs in the low 60's and lows
of about 40 F. Anna slept between us on our partially zipped together
down bags. However, what really kept her warm was a thick "blanket
sleeper" bought at J. C. Penney's for 2/$11. The first night I put on
a rather thin snowsuit over her sleeper, and she woke up overheated.
Just the sleeper with her usual acrylic blanket (which she always kicks
off) was ok in that 50 degree tent! Anna sleeps warm compared to me (I
zip up my down bag when it is 50 F. We were given a Gerry "ultra-deluxe"
backpack as a gift before I could buy the Tough Traveler which I really
wanted. My husband carried Anna (~ 16 lbs.) on a rather steep 2-mile
trail up Beech Mtn. with no complaints. However, I think his balance may
have been a bit off since he slipped once (giving me a
near-coronary :-()). However, he attributed the misstep to the loose
scree on the trail and the Merrill dayhiker boots he was wearing.
Anna can't crawl yet, so I always put her down in
her infant seat (great for watching Mom and Papa put up the tent) or on
a blanket. I did let her sit on the grass (sitting by herself at 5 months
:-)) and pull up plants under close supervision. She enjoyed this as
well as watching a squirrel store pine cones for the winter. However, the
unfamiliar setup at bedtime meant about an hour of fussy/crying period
in the tent both nights. 

Debbie

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:46:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.162657.395@techbook.com> davej@techbook.com (Dave J. Johnsen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.002950.10117@SSD.intel.com> wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
>>intuitive/sensitive domain.  (Ever wondering why the toddler always wants
                                                               ^^^^^^
>>mommy when they wakes up or goes to bed?:)  Hopefully modern parents will
             ^^^^
             s/he
>
>Not always true.  My daughter usually (75%) wants mom to put her to bed, but
>if she wakes up, it is almost always(95%) daddy that she wants.  (And he goes,
>too)  She's three.  (You want to see pictures?  I have lots! :) )
>
Good for you.  Another netter (on your side) pointed that out also.  And I 
agree, I should have used something like 'usually' or 'in most cases' to be
consistent with the 'most modern fathers' scenario I was talking about.

Wen-lin
>Dave
>
>-- 
>davej@techbook.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks  
>TECHbooks is kind enough to provide me with access, I wouldn't presume  
>to have their opinions.  I am not even sure I have my own!


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