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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: What's the employment climate like? Me too!!
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:37:52 GMT

ertle@kira.uvm.edu The Sneaky Devil writes:
>I've also seen the ads for fishing companies, etc. and I was wondering
>how bad these jobs tended to be?  Is this something that might be a
>good idea to do over summer vacation ( I gotta work SOMEwhere! )?  How
>about summer jobs in the parks, forestry, or fishing guide industry?

It's not good for those out of state - the jobs are very hard to get.
If you can get the jobs most of the ones you mentioned are very nice,
but the fishing jobs are something else - it'll be a short, nasty job
where you'll be up for a couple days and you make a heck of a lot of
money.  Cold, nasty, miserable and profitable.  That's on the ships.
If you're in the processors it'll be cold, smelly, nasty, and not
quite as profitable - but it'll last longer.  

This is how it was two years ago, it's probably not much different now.


>Of course system programming would be ideal, but would anybody co-op
>me there?

There's a lot of database work going on, most of it for the State of
Alaska.  It takes a while to get those jobs, however.
-- 
Jack and Jill went up the hill, Each had a buck and a quarter.
Jill came down with two and a half - And you thought that they went for water.
From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Gating to the echoes
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:58:04 GMT
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Hi
I am one of those from the outside who has an ongoing interest in alaska.
I also belong to several other newsgroups.  It has been my experience
that such establishing gateways floods the group with tons of extraneous
personal communication and material only tangentially related to the
group.   If the group is at all active without the gates leave it be...
John
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Mainer wondering what it's like up there
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:28:23 GMT

<IO20393@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Hey there, I'm from Maine, and I love it here, but it is getting a bit over-
>populated, and I was wondering if Alaska is anything like Maine before
>all these Mass-people moved here.  I have this dream to live somewhere
>(Alaska?) where my nearest neighbor is just far enough away that the
>only visitors I get are ones that REALLY want to see me....not just idle
>dropping-byers!  Besides, I love nature uninterrupted....Is Alaska still
>pure, or is that just a myth?

Depends where you want to live.  Near Juneau, Anchorage, Fairbanks,
etc., this can be arranged, but is a bit tougher.  But there's still
plenty of places to live where you're far away from everyone else.
Hell, you can even make it so potential visitors have to fly a plane
in to see you.  In Juneau we lived a couple hundred feet away from our
neighbors with a nice thick swath of trees between us, so that you
wouldn't know anyone was near.  Not as remote as we could have been,
but good enough.

One of the best things about Alaska is that the rain really depresses
the Californians and keeps them away.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: ns14@crux3.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Subject: test, ignore
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ.
Distribution: alt
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:31:22

test






test
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: ns14@crux2.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Subject: internet access
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ.
Distribution: alt
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:28:37

I am very sorry to post such a mundane question so early in the
history of this group, but does anyone know how I can get my brother
on the internet from Anchorage?  It doesn't have to be free.
(email good, telnet MUCH better)

Thank you

Nathan
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From: lindsay@green.cs.wisc.edu (Joe Lindsay)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Alaska Highway
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:06:36 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

I would love to take a road trip up to Alaska, but I've heard (though not from
anyone who's actually driven on it) that the Alaska Highway is in terrible
shape and has beaten many many cars to death.  What is it actually like?  Is
it mostly paved?  Mostly gravel?  Mostly dirt?

-- 
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Joe "Keeper of the Cheese" Lindsay -- lindsay@cs.wisc.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 "Why make sense, when you can make pizza?"
                                             -Zippy the Pinhead
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 16:35:41 EST
From: <IO20393@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Mainer wondering what it's like up there

Hey there, I'm from Maine, and I love it here, but it is getting a bit over-
populated, and I was wondering if Alaska is anything like Maine before
all these Mass-people moved here.  I have this dream to live somewhere
(Alaska?) where my nearest neighbor is just far enough away that the
only visitors I get are ones that REALLY want to see me....not just idle
dropping-byers!  Besides, I love nature uninterrupted....Is Alaska still
pure, or is that just a myth?
Blessed Be,
amy rae
From: mtmatt@wpi.WPI.EDU (Montana)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Metlakatla anyone?
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:15:30
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


howdy, i am a montana-alaska-montana-massachusets transplant.  i lived
in Metlakatla, Ak (near Ketchikan) for about a year and was wondering
if anyone had been there recently...

-matt
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Matthew Edmund Dreyer             "We're just two lost soul's living in a fish
mtmatt@wpi.wpi.edu                 bowl, year after year.  Wish you were here"
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Subject: What's the employment climate like?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:45:12 GMT

Finally!

I've been waiting for this group for a long time.

My parents have been to AK many times, living the nomadic lifestyle all over,
even above the arctic circle.  I would love to go-I've seen so many photos,
I feel like I've been there.

My question is employment.  I see tons-o-fishing and oil companies, and not
much else.  Does there exist any hope of a programming career there?  (Systems
programming - I'm sure there is plenty of app programing there).

Any responses welcomed...

Thanks,
Mike

Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: icsu0130@cs.montana.edu (Robert)
Subject: job cultivation
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:06:22 GMT

I am a CS major who anticipates graduating in the spring of 1994.
I would like to work as a systems operator for a bank or hospital type
business in Anchorage.

contact me at:

Robert Clements
119 Foster Ln.
Billings, Montana 59101

or email me on internet @

icsu0130%caesar@fubar.cs.montana.edu
grc6600@trex.oscs.montana.edu
 
thax
From: sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: <croons>
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:26:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


burung kakatuaaaa...
hinggap di jendelaaa...
nenek sudah tuaaa...
giginya tinggal duaaa....

<bows deeply>
Thanks, thanks a lot.


Sometimes songs like "Burung Kakaktua," "Bintang Kejora," "Bintang Kecil,"
"Burung Kutilang," or "Tamasya dengan Becak" came into my head and I
found out that I was humming these kind of songs while walking to my
classes.


-- 

"Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Keywords: bahasa indonesia
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:25:12 GMT

In article <Bxw4y2.G0M@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>
>Mas Bambang punya istilah yang saya rasa lebih tepat : 
>compile = rakit  
>meng"compile" program = merakit program
>compilation = (proses) perakitan  
>
Bagaimana dengan assembler? Assembly language?
Kalau di automotif, car assembling biasanya disebut perakitan kendaraan
bermotor.


>-- budi
>-- 
>Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
>Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba


Oki; okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Exit-permit
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:16:31 GMT

D.Tambunan@massey.ac.nz (D. Tambunan) writes:

>Saya mohon info tentang peraturan exit-permit terbaru di Indonesia. 
>Apakah pemegang pasport biru (service passport) masih memerlukan exit-permit
>sewaktu meninggalkan Indonesia? Saya akan kembali ke Medan dalam waktu dekat. 
>Apa mungkin exit-permit (bagi pegawai negeri) bisa diurus di kantor imigrasi/
>kehakiman di daerah tanpa harus pergi ke Deplu? Trims atas infonya.

Saya dengar cerita katanya exit-permit sudah dihapuskan. Apa betul ?
Dulu (3 tahun lalu) waktu saya pulang, masih harus mengurus exit-permit
ke Deplu. Yang perlu diperhatikan: jangan lupa bawa surat dari kedutaan
atau konsulat Indonesia yang menyatakan bahwa anda masih mahasiswa dan
pulang ke Indonesia untuk urusan keluarga (libur ?). Juga jangan lupa
surat dari sekolah yang menyatakan bahwa anda masih mahasiswa.
Kedua surat ini penting sekali.

Untuk memperlancar urusan (apabila exit permit memang masih dibutuhkan),
kalau masih ada, surat penugasan anda belajar di luar negeri.

-- budi

-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Membentuk kata dengan "ng".
Keywords: BI
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:23:27 GMT

In article <lgu13lINNt4@levelland.cs.utexas.edu> regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan) writes:
>
>Just curious, what's wrong with 

>"mencetak berkas PS di LW",

Nothing wrong with that. I propose the use of "print" instead of "cetak"
because in Indonesia, IMHO, the word "cetak" is associated with "percetakan".
It has a 'sense' of something big and in high quantity. For example: 
"Percetakan Garuda. Menerima order mencetak buku-buku dan kalender". 

>"menjalankan compiler Pascal", "melihat gambar-gambar JPEG"?
>Please note that instead of 'perakit' I used 'compiler'.
>Just have this preference of using available words (even
>in 'foreign' languages).  ^_^

The beauty of our language, I think, is the WYRIWYS characteristic. It is
"what you read is what you say." So that it helps making everything simple,
because we don't have to associate the spelling of every word with its
pronounciation. All we have to do is to know how to spell and then read it.
The possibility is very small that an Indonesian who in the first time
encounters "perakit" would say it as "perakait" (with the "i" such in "bite").
He would be sure that the proper way of saying the "i" is the one like 
in "sit".

It may be true that the inherent simplicity of our language makes it
a little 'kampungan' compared to French for example (which pronounce
"Monsieur" as something like "Mesio", and all the other difficult to
pronounce words). But, IMHO, it would help somebody from Gunung Kidul
(a remote area near Jogjakarta?) to learn new words faster (because he
doesn't need any live teacher to tell him how to pronounce the words.
He can use any written media).

Using the avaliable foreign words wouldn't be harmful. The problems is,
when they're put in writing. You may use "kompiler" instead of "compiler".
The question is: "How do you pronounce it?" Pronounce it as English?
If so, why do you spell it in Indonesian? Pronounce it in Indonesian?
It sounds strange. 

My idea of using "ng" to form a new word comes from my simple mind. Actually,
I'm using it in my daily life to talk with my friends. Even I use it
in the 'uglier forms', for example:
nge-upload, nge-download, nge-excecute, nge-read (the English words are
still pronounced in English), and some unix specific: nge-ftp (ngeeftepe).

Examples: "Gua baru ngedownload QuickTime movie, keren juga movienya".
          "Nge-ftp file dari funet.fi payah. Linknya kelas sayur, kurang
	   dari 56 kilo bps".
          "Lu nggak bisa ngeexecute program Sun di DEC, prosesornya beda".
 
None of my friends protesting. Well, It Just Works (tm).

>Oh, well.
>^_^ regius ^_^
>ps. probably I should've used 'kompiler' ^_^
>pps. sorry for this resource wasting ^_^

I see it as recycleable. No problem.


Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesianized Computerese
Date: 21 Nov 1992 21:00:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) says:

>andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono) writes:
>>But 'signal to noise ratio' becoming 'nisbah isyarat-derau' is just
>>downright unclear. 'bit-error rate' -> 'laju galat bit' ???

>It depends. Remember "pakar", I never knew this word before, but know
>it's popular and everybody understands it. I think the media plays
>an important role. I've just learned new words "mangkus dan sangkil"... :-)

whoa!  i think i have to suscribe indoneisan newspapers right away! :)
what's the meaning of 'mangkus dan sangkil' if i may ask?

>When I was a young boy, I used to hate people who use English words
>when they speak (give presentation, etc.). Sok ke-barat-baratan. Snob.
>But now, I am doing it :-(    sigh....

*laughs*  that one also happened to me.


-- 

"Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_
From: ck345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wira Putra)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Multiculture (Re: Is there a solution for East Timor?)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:09:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Somebody writes that Bali are fighting for their independence ...

I tell you what, man ....
Jakarta also fights for independence because Jakarta is too big
and as big as ...  ho ho ho ...

What do you respond if Lisboa wants to independence ?

.... ho ho ho ...
	stupid enough to accepy it, man !

.... ho ho ho ...

I am BOZO from Cleveland ... ho ho ho ...

----------------------------------------------------------------
	Unity in diversity ...
---------------------------------- \/\/ira Putra ---------------
.................. ck345@cleveland.freenet.edu .................
.................. bozo from cleveland ...... ho ho ho .........
From: share!kst@aloft.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: RE: Bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar ?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:21:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In message <Bxt912.Bqy@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Budi Rahardjo writes:
> Saya mengalami kesulitan besar dalam menulis makalah (atau tulisan
> lain) dalam bahasa Indonesia. Banyak istilah-istiliah asing yang
> tidak ada (mungkin ada tapi saya tidak tahu) dalam bahasa Indonesia,
> misalnya istilah-istilah komputer.  [...]

Dulu saya selalu berusaha sedapat-dapatnya untuk
menggunakan istilah bahasa Indonesia,  kadang-kadang
agak dipaksakan atau diciptakan sendiri.  [Call
me a chauvinist if you like. :-) ]  Tetapi setelah
berselang beberapa tahun saya jadi sadar:  istilah
yang tidak baku malah akan tampak janggal dan sulit
dipahami (lost the intuitive meaning),  apa lagi
setelah musimnya lewat.  Misalnya sekitar tahun 1985
keyboard sering diterjemahkan manjadi papan ketik,
sekarang dilihat lagi rasanya koq aneh begitu.

Menurut pendapat saya,  sebelum ada terjemahan yang
baku sebaiknya istilah-istilah asing itu dibiarkan
dalam bentuk aslinya saja.  Dicetak miring atau
digarisbawahi bila perlu.

--
Khe-Sing The
AT&T Bell Laboratories
<the@cbnewsg.att.com>
From: 2hujrabbi@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: <croons>
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:56:06 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1ea6roINNab@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, sgj@po.CWRU.Edu (Sri G. Junus) writes:
> 
> burung kakatuaaaa...
> hinggap di jendelaaa...
> nenek sudah tuaaa...
> giginya tinggal duaaa....
> 
> <bows deeply>
> Thanks, thanks a lot.
> 
> 
> Sometimes songs like "Burung Kakaktua," "Bintang Kejora," "Bintang Kecil,"
> "Burung Kutilang," or "Tamasya dengan Becak" came into my head and I
> found out that I was humming these kind of songs while walking to my
> classes.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> "Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else that
> thinks at least as logically as it does." -- _Mostly Harmless_
> 

	Me too, but the song is usually "Unyil" song. (Is that thing
still on ?) Sometimes when I'm deppressed I often hum (or more likely
shout) "Butet". Too bad that's the only line I know. Anybody knows
what kinds of music are hot in Indonesia right now ? 
	BTW, can we talk about music too here ? I'm a big fan of U2,
REM, Tears for Fears, Queen, and Midnight Oil. I'm also a big fan of
jazz, I have many favorite jazz musicians. (I like Dave Grusin and
Special EFX a lot)


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>>                                                                           <<
>>   And if it should ever become possible to transfer human conciousness    <<
>>   into an android body...I do not know if, having once been human,        <<
>>   a person could adapt.                                                   <<
>>                                                                           <<
>>      - Data                                                               <<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Young Skywalker

2hujrabbi@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: Re: Netrek (Was: Let's talk about games !!!!!!)
Reply-To: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:14:58 GMT

In article <lgh92eINN12v@langtry.cs.utexas.edu>, andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A.
Nurwono) writes:
> >>You don't know what you are missing!  :)
> Yep. If you've never played realtime network games before,
> this is awesome !
> 
> >   What are you trying to do?  Get an all Indonesian netrek game ?
> 
> Hehehe. Why not ? HEY ! We could FORM an ALL-INDONESIAN Netrek team!!!
> I wonder what ranks we could get in tourneys.

  I agree. I could set up a mailing list and other technical stuff if we get
  enuff interest. How about it, guys? We could use Radix as the captain.
  Ok for you, Rudy? ;)

  Seriously, I would like to see such a team exist.
  I'll captain if no one else would. :)
  Let me know what you think.

> 
> -- 
> Andre Nurwono               | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha,
> andrean@cs.utexas.edu       |  thrust... (BOINNNG!)"  - Daffy Duck

-Admiral Gajah Mada
 isae@IASTATE.EDU

(Don't you hate it when people start putting his rank on the post? :)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Subject: Re: Post not in English/Indonesian
Reply-To: isae@IASTATE.EDU (ISU Boy !!!!!)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:39:26 GMT

In article <lg5pn1INNett@grit.cs.utexas.edu>, regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S.
Gunawan) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.163636.12782@inesc.pt> Mr. Jose' Luis B. Borbinha
writes:
> >O mesmo pra ti meu cabrao
> 
> I really think it is AT LEAST IMPOLITE to post in a culture group
> something in a language that's neither the culture's nor understood
> my the majority.
> Since this newsgroup is call alt.CULTURE.INDONESIA the languages
> that's most apropriate IMHO is Indonesian (understood by *most*

  If you asked me, I would say English is more appropriate since we are
  in the states. But, that's MEO. (My Mere Opinion :)
  Of course, exceptions for stuff that don't seem to fit in english may
  be applied.


> of the ones from the culture :) and English (understood by *most*
> of everyone else :)
> Mr. Borbinha's act might inspire similar actions to other newsgroups.
> 
> Sincerely,
> ^_^ regius ^_^
> ps. sorry again for bandwidth waste.
> pps. maybe we should post just in English, and give
>      a good example to others. ;)

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU
From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Berfikir Positif (was Re: Personal views on East Timor)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:18:35 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

> Until Indonesian has a civilian government, these will not stop.
> You'll find cases of suppression, oppression and torture in other parts 
> of Indonesia.   
> --
>  _________Josef Widjaja____________  
> |  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
> |  Macquarie University, Australia | 
> ------------------------------------
	This is an example of what i called " The kafhilah throw bones to
	dogs and hoping that this will make them stop barking"

	Let's see whether the dogs do stop barking or whether they continue
	on barking more courageously begging for more bones

BTW. I am batak. And I like saksang...;-)

for the light side of the discussion only,
h siahaan
From: s921485@otto (D Andiko Basya)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: test, please delete..
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:40:58 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

I've told you, it's only testing....
got nothin' to read ....
please delete...

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