HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: New Employee Test
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:05:07 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov19.080215.13878@nwnexus.WA.COM>, markmc@halcyon.com (Mark
McWiggins) writes:
|> The first time, we didn't tell the candidates that they'd be taking a
|> test, which brought up a whole extra layer of dysfunctional test-taking
|> behavior.

That's fine if you're hiring people to take tests, or if your testing and
support procedures are so poorly implemented that your code can get out the door
with bugs that can stop people dead and your support policies lead them to
expect they can get a fix immediately.

Myself, I expect programmers to be able to solve real problems in a reasonable
amount of time, and to test it suffuciently to avoid the ridiculous scenario you
describe.  So I would have them bring code, explain it to me, and expain how
they tested it.  This isn't "Beat the Clock," it's a marriage.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:47:49 GMT

In article <greg.722362577@saltydog>, greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
> If you're the guy who's working 20 hours a week for nothing (because
> you're being paid for 40 hours) while the rest of the employees want to
> do something else with their lives, then you're a scab.  You're the
> mercenary who's willing to underbid the other workers who're trying to
> make a decent living without sacrificing the rest of their lives.  And you're
> doing it only for your own short-term benefit.  You're a strikebreaker.

Bzzzt. Thanks for playing, but that's the *wrong* answer!

I am not a scab, mercenary, or strikebreaker. I'm a salaried worker
bee just like many of you. When my boss comes up to me and says, "when
can you have this finished?" and I tell him "3 months", then I damn
well better have it done in three months (provided the requirements of
the task haven't been redefined). Part of my job is to estimate the
work involved. If I can't estimate correctly, then I better work my
ass off to finish it in the estimated time. So I work a few 60 hour
weeks, so what? That's not a bad thing, it's kinda fun actually. Late
night pizza and coffee, get away from the family, etc. And when it's
over I work a few 30 hour weeks while management decides what they
want to do with me next.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: "principals only please"
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:35:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.By7E4n.n3s.2
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon Univ, Nectar Project

hamon@a.cs.okstate.edu writes:
   I see the phrase "principals only please" in several job postings.  What
   exactly does this phrase mean?

"No headhunters or other third parties," that is, "only people
actually looking for the job in question should respond."

--karl
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:7744 misc.jobs.offered.entry:347
From: barbaras@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Barbara Ann Siefken)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered.entry
Subject: Intern position at Tektronix, OREGON - 1/93 till 9/93
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:01:23 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na

Tektronix, Inc., a Fortune 500 company and a leading supplier of electronic
equipment and systems in the areas of test and measurement, television systems,
and computer graphics has an immediate need for an Intern in our Telecom Product
Line.  The Intern will work with Telecom test equipment;  responsibilities
include writing tests for new products, configuring test equipment using a
GPIB interface, and producing test results.

The successful candidate will have completed their Junior year of a EE or CS
curriculum and have experience with UNIX and at least one high-level programming
language.  Good communication skills and the ability to work in a team
environment  with minimal direction are essential. Telecom background and C
programming language are a plus.

We would would like the Intern to begin in January, 1993 for an assignment that
will last approximately 9 months.  For immediate consideration, please send your
resume and transcript to:


Tektronix College Relations
Attn: Patty Nelson
P.O. Box 500, MS 48-245
Beaverton Oregon, 97077.


We are an equal opportunity employer m/f/h.


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ivaliote@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matthew Ivaliotes)
Subject: Public Policy M.A.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:42:54 GMT

I am currently an undergrad at the U of Illinois in Urbana, and am considering
going to the U of Chicago's Harris School for Public Policy Studies for my 
masters.  Any opinions on what kind of job that education could get me.  I would
like to be able to do good for people as well as live decently.

Matt I.
From: gao@bigbird.bu.edu (Yong Gao)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Does IBM Hire F-1 Students? Info Needed
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:06:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Hello Everyone,
	Does anyone know IBM's hiring policy for foreign students with F-1 
visas? I heard that IBM has hired F-1 students before, but I need some 
specific examples, such as which department or division. Any advice and/or 
information will be greatly appreciated.

	Yong











Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Organization: Vanderbilt University Computer Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:43:32 GMT



>Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
>Path:
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>From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
>Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
>Message-ID: <1992Nov20.201518.7089@dsd.es.com>
>Sender: usenet@dsd.es.com
>Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam-gw
>Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
>Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
>References: <1992Nov19.212813.1493@netcom.com> 
><1992Nov20.185425.21895@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:15:18 GMT
>Lines: 27
>
>In article <1992Nov20.185425.21895@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, 
>awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov19.212813.1493@netcom.com>, glenn@netcom.com (Glenn
Gribble) writes:
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> >    Ability and willingness to work 60+ hours per week when required (not 
>> >    constantly).
>> 
>>           Translation: Willingness to be a slave.
>> 
>> [ ...etc... ]
>
>While your post is slightly amusing, I'll be honest and admit that the
>original post looked like one of the more appealing ones.
>
>You're posting from a .edu account, so perhaps you don't know that
>working 60+ hours a week is sometimes required to get the job done. If
>you're a salaried programmer and you don't get your product out the
>door on time because you leave at 5pm every day, your head will be one
>of the first to roll.
>
>When the time comes to put in 60+ hours is when the excitement
>happens! If you don't like it / can't cut it / think it's slavery,
>then it's time to examine career alternatives.
>--
>

I'm completely with you, Paul.  However, I would like to correct the
impression you leave that people who work in the .edu world are all
clock watchers able and ready to leave at 5:00. 

I know plenty of people in research and academic support put in their 
share of 55, 65, and 75 hour work weeks, and straight 30 hour stints 
at deadline time. And find much the same exhilaration that you do. So, 
our worlds may have more in common than you may be aware.

Cheers.

============================================================
Frank C. Sayre
sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:24:10 GMT

pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:

>Many people have raised good points on this thread. But some posters
>seem to have this "I will only work 40 hour weeks" attitude. My wholw
>point is this attitude is unrealistic at software houses here in the
>U.S.  Salaried programmers are paid to get the job done, not to put in
>40 hours of time and leave.

Yea and I'm one of them.  After being taken advantage of time and again.
Who makes the profit?  They do.  I am not saying this in a finger
pointing manner (insert smilies, etc) but I don't get this misguided (IMHO)
work ethic that says working 60hrs/wk is good.  I'm a proud capitalist
who gets paid for the hours of my labor.  I feel like I've been ripped
off if I am expected and do work overtime without compensation (comp.
time or leave after the job, as was/is your case Paul).  My problem lies in
the companies that try to instill some sort of company loyalty or
commitment with a bogus "we'll all benefit if you just work more hours"
attitude, then they take home the profit.

Anyway, that's it for me in this thread.  If you enjoy the work and
want to do it, go for it.  I won't call you a scab, etc.  But that's
your choice.  Don't come down on we who choose not to work O/T with
COMP.


--
Jeff Burney
202-606-4570 jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov
NOAA/National Oceanographic Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: yetto@leds.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Looking for agency in Rochester
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 18 NOV 92 16:05:51    


I am a senior hardware/system engineer looking to relocate from Worcester,
Massachusetts to the Rochester, New York (and as far as Buffalo) area.  I have
made a few contacts on my own but would like to use a headhunting agency local
to that area as well.  However, I know of no agencies local to Rochester.  Can
anyone recommend such an agency or suggest how I might go about finding one 
myself? 

Thanks in advance,

Lisa S. Yetto
Digital Equipment Corporation
334 South Street
Shrewsbury, MA 01545
(508) 841-6019
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney)
Subject: Source EDP wouldn't just mail me their Salary Survey
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:58:55 GMT

I called the Source EDP office in my town to ask for their Salary
Survey.  I asked at least three times if he would just mail it to me,
but he pressured me to come in and talk to him.  So, I'm going to,
but I wish they weren't so pushy.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: scoggin@opus.ee.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Subject: Re: New Employee Test
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company, Newark DE
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:37:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.165749.14499@a.cs.okstate.edu> hamon@a.cs.okstate.edu (HAMON SHARON ANN) writes:
>
>I had an interview at a job fair yesterday, and the company asked me
>back to the job fair site to take a "programming aptitude test" today.
>I've never heard of this before.  Is it common for employers to
>give such a test?  Is there any correlation between the test results and 
>future job performance?  At this point I don't even know what the test will
>be like.  The interviewer did tell me that there's no way that I could
>prepare for it, and it's not programming-language specific.  So I assume
>the test is supposed to determine logical thinking skills or something.
>
>--Sharon

I didn't know that anyone did that any more.  A number of such tests were
found to be discriminatory.  We use progression testing in a number of
union jobs in our company and they had to be "certified" by an industrial
testing firm as "non-discriminatory"...

	- John

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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: New Employee Test
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:16:14 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1ehec1INNr40@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> mark@sdd.hp.com (Mark Overton) writes:
>I'm also amazed at how incompetent most applicants are :-(
>Testing clearly reveals incompetence.

   The only thing testing "clearly" reveals is how well a particular
person does on a particular test in a particular situation.  That's
why things like standardized testing, college entrance exams, etc.,
all come under constant criticism.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: New group?
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:00:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Nov18.220052.17251
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I agree.  I'd like to see a misc.jobs.noncomputer or nonprogramming group.

Cat

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
    Cat Stanton
    stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu
_______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: root@morgan
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Contracts available
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:35:22 GMT
Distribution: usa


This is for a friend of mine. Please do not send any e-mail to me.

Following contracting positions are immediately available.

1. ISDN
2. Telecommunication
3. Telephony
4. Digital Networks
5. Compiler construction

If you have experience in any of the above, please contact

	Globe Tech, Inc.
	105 Spitbrook Road, #4B
	Nashua NH 03062

	Fax: (603) 891-0122


Note: Students F-1, B-1, H-1 can apply.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Work From Home
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:14:31 GMT

In article <By3HEr.FC@oryx.com> phil@oryx.com writes:
>
>My brother and his wife just bought a spanky new PeeCee for home use.  She
>can really type, and has worked for many years in professional offices.
>The question is: How do you make mony from home?
>
>Her ideas include:  accounting/bookkeeping, wordprocessing and/or insurance
>claims/forms.
>
>Any information/suggestions on how to get them started on their adventure
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>--

Contact the National Association for Secretarial Services. I have a
friend who offered freelance wordprocessing services and found them
helpful in terms of getting started. Also, try the misc.entrepreneurs
newsgroup. There's also a National Home-Based Business Association
whose exact name and location escape me at the moment. As far as
locations and phone numbers for the above, I don't know, but contact
your friendly local librarian. He/She shall know...



-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: jmalis@world.std.com (Judee Malis)
Subject: COBOL, IMS; Boston; broker
Summary: COBOL, IMS; Boston; broker
Keywords: COBOL
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:55:17 GMT

One year contract available in Boston for experienced IMS software engineer.
For more info, please call Judee Malis at Prosoft Consulting: 617-489-3055.

Please do not leave mail.  You can fax a resume or leave a message at the above
number at any time.
From: jmalis@world.std.com (Judee Malis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Apollo Domain, Aegis; Mass.; 1099 broker
Summary: Apollo Domain, Aegis; Mass.; 1099 broker
Keywords: Apollo
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BxtMsx.F4H
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Several contracts available for experienced Apollo developers.  Experience
with DSEE, Aegis or Dialog required.  Company has a network manager project
in progress and needs to build a larger team.  For more info, please call
Judee Malis at Prosoft Consulting:  617-489-3055  Belmont, MA.

Please do not leave mail.  You can fax a resume or leave a message to the
above number at any time.

The client is a well known, large communications company in eastern 
Massachusetts.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: qb7g6@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat)
Subject: REQUEST: sample contracts
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:43:23 GMT

When I wanted to save the recent "sample contracts" and the
"Contract copies needed (......)" postings, they were already
expired.

Is there a kind soul who would send these postings to me?
Many thanks!
-- 
Maarten J. Landzaat (analyst/programmer, bass player, Atari/midi freak)
BSO/Aerospace & Systems			Mail: Spuistraat 97
Email: maarten.landzaat@fel.tno.nl	      1012 SV  Amsterdam
Phone: +31 20 6266098			      The Netherlands
From: dt89csc@brunel.ac.uk (C S Codrington)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Looking for postgraduate courses.
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:35:17 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hi, there.

My name is Colin Codrington. I am a final year student at
Brunel University. I am studying for a honours degree in
Industrial Design. 

I am currently in my final year and looking for a postgraduate
course that fits in with industrial design.

I am quite interested in a research course at the moment. Well..
it doesn't have to be directly linked to industrial design as
long as I get to use my intelligence and creativity.

So how about it have you got that all important course, or do you
know of one. If so please don't hesitate to E-mail me on.......... 

E-mail dt89csc@brunel.ac.uk

A curriculum vitae (resume) can be arranged.

Well thanks for reading me.

Colin.
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.contract:4211 misc.jobs.offered:13943
From: Lance_Charles_Rowan@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Hardware Eng.-San Diego-(pro recruiter)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 09:45:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

                        Hardware Engineer

Mini-Systems Associates has an immediate need for a hardware
engineer with knowledge of common interfaces (RS232, RS422, RS485)
and ability to debug microprocessor based equipment and opto-relay
controllers. Knowledge of CCTV system design, RF propagation and
preparing specifications a plus. Contract 3 months+. Please contact
Dan "The Man" Peters @ Mini-Systems--619-675-7888,fax 619-675-7899
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.contract:4210 misc.jobs.offered:13942
From: Lance_Charles_Rowan@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: ADA Programmer-San Diego (pro recruiter)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 09:43:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

                         ADA Programmer

Mini-Systems Associates has an immediate need for an ADA programmer
with HP-UX experience. Effort will involve development, porting of
programs and documentation. Contract assignment for 10 weeks.
Please contact Dan "The Man" Peters @ Mini-Systems Associates.
619-675-7888. Fax is 619-675-7899.  Job is located in San Diego.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: sethi@pokey.cis.udel.edu (Adarshpal S Sethi)
Subject: Contract copies needed
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:20:23 GMT


I have seen in the past postings in this newsgroup
listing contracts/agreements commonly used by
contractors. I never saved a copy, and now  would
like to see what these contracts are like. Would
anyone who has a copy please email one to me?
Thanks in advance,

Adarsh Sethi
sethi@udel.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: non-1099 SyBase contract: Dallas, Tx
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:05:40 GMT

This not a 1099 contract but through a Job shop called EG&G Technical 
contact Lynn Wickham at 208-529-8700 if interested.

Computer Programmer experienced with Sybase.

Location: Dallas Tx

Duration: 6 months

Rate: Open

Please no email since Lynn doesn't have net acces I posting this for him.
From: Eli.Mantel@launchpad.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: NC: Unix, C, Informix 4GL (recruiter)
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:07:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


                     work location: North Carolina
                  estimated length: 3-4 months
                skill requirements: Unix, C, Informix 4GL
 
The above information is all I have about this assignment.  If you have 
the indicated skills and are interested in this assignment, please send
your resume to:
                email: eli.mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu
                       Please indicate position #NC1101 in the Subject line.
           U. S. mail: Eli Mantel (NC1101)
                       100 Wyatts Pond Lane
                       Cary, NC 27513
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: by763@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael G. Mantel)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: TN: Unix, C++, object-oriented design (recruiter)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:17:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


              work location: Tennessee
           estimated length: open-ended w/option to hire
                       rate: $28.50/hour
         skill requirements: Unix, C++, object-oriented design
 
This company is looking for someone with 3 or more years of
work experience on Unix with at least 1 year in C++.
 
The above information is all I have about this
assignment.  If you have the indicated skills and are
interested in this assignment, please send
your resume to:
      email: by763@cleveland.freenet.edu (ASCII only)
             Please indicate position #TN1102 in the Subject line.
 U. S. mail: Eli Mantel (TN1102)
             100 Wyatts Pond Lane
             Cary, NC 27513
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: alanh@cup.portal.com (Alan E Hattman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.offered
Subject: DOS Internals, Windows 3.1 and Networks, SF East Bay (Broker)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:11:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

                              Opportunity #001AH


Software engineer with 5-7 years development background is needed to join a
project already underway.  You will need to pick up where an internal engineer
left off.  You will need to finish a line parser and develop the end user
interface.

You need to have strong DOS internals, Windows 3.1, Device Drivers and Peer to
Peer networking software experience.

This is an immediate start.
Client in located in the SF East Bay near Oakland.
Rates are $30 - $50/Hr

For information please contact

Wendy Barberi - Technical Recruiter
Mini-Systems Associates                 The Right People...
100 Homeland Court, Suite 405               The First Time..
San Jose, CA 95112                               Guaranteed!!!

Voice:  408-451-0258
Fax:    408-451-0277
Email:  alanh@cup.portal.com
  
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract