From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton denies being in the loop
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:10:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.032115.24586@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>In article <Bxr67q.71r@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.013551.19696@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>In article <BxJ2M8.5ns@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>>>>In article <1dm90nINNheb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:
>
>>>>If you seriously believe there was a Clinton/Walsh conspiracy against 
>>>>Bush, then you should also readily believe that there was a Reagan/Khomeini 
>>>>conspiracy against Carter.  Anything else would be inconsistent.
>
>>>This seems pretty idiotic to me.
>
>>>There are good reasons for believing that a Clinton/Walsh conspiracy
>>>existed.  There was motive and opportunity and now there is some
>>>pretty good evidence.
>
>>>There are good reasons for believing that a Reagan/Khomeini conspiracy
>>>did not exist.  In particular, there was no opportunity.
>
>>>I have repeatedly challenged the October Surprise theorists to explain
>>>how the supposed deal could have worked.  Every dingle one has
>>>implicitly admitted that even they do not relaly belive in the October
>>>Surprise by ignoring the challenge.
>
>>>In particular, why should the Iranians have trusted Reagan?  What
>>>tcould htey do if he didn't send them arms?  Well, they could have
>>>exposed him... but in that case how could Reagan have trusted the
>>>IRanians not to expose him as soon as they received the arms in order
>>>to screw him over?  What could Reagan have given the Iranians as an
>>>assurance that they would not have used anyway when we had problems
>>>with the IRanians, for example when the Airbus was shot down?
>
>>Re: Reagan/Khomeini Conspiracy...
>>Well, gee.  I was just tossing it out as a joke.  You, on the other 
>>hand, seemed to have spent a lot of time seriously thinking about it!
>>  :-)

>Scott, I didn't spend a lot of time seriously thinking about it.  I
>spent two minutes thinking about it the first time I heard the
>accusation, said "Nah.  It's unworkable." and then dismissed it.
>Anyone with half a brain could do likewise.

Well, sorry.  I misinterpreted your statement "I have repeatedly challenged 
the October Surprise theorists..." to imply that you talked about this issue 
frequently.   Your two paragraph reply to my one line joke also left me with 
the impression that you thought this matter was worthy of discussion (which 
I don't think it is).  Since we both agree the idea is silly, let's drop it.

>>Why would Walsh, a Republican, conspire with a Democratic campaign committee? 
>>What's the motivation?  Did EVERYONE want Bush out of office?  :-)

>Scott, read the damned papers some time.  (I mean a real one, like the
>Wall Street Journal or the Economist).  

Well, excuse me for reading the UNREAL newspapers.  I probably also 
subscribe to the wrong religion and have various other unsurly 
characteristics.  I will try to behave better in the future.  :-)

>Walsh hates Bush's guts.  He
>and his subordinates feel that Bush has been dicking them arround
>since day one.  The overturning of the North and Poindexter
>convictions and the hung jury on that CIA guy were major
>embarrassments for Walsh and victories for Bush.  
  [...]

Ok, ok.  So Walsh is the Republican who has been browbeat into a 
pseudo-Democrat.  I see.

Now, what's the big problem with this news release?
It's not the first or last time that an official government press release 
reached the media a day before it was officially announced.

Does this imply complicity or conspiracy on the part of the people who 
released it directly to the media?  Not in my book.  The wrong-doer 
would be the person on Walsh's staff that leaked the info.

So, one more reason for the Republicans to browbeat their fellow 
Republican.  They may go to it.  I'll watch.



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