From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: deportaion
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:02:52 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <osamakl.725472842@vincent1.iastate.edu> osamakl@iastate.edu (Osama Al-Shaykh-Yousef) writes:

# In talk.politics.mideast makowsky writes:
 
# >In article <1hi4mjINNik1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
 
# ># From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)

# ># >Funny, I don't recall seeing any posts from you shedding your
# ># >crocodile tears when Kuwait expelled over 100,000 Palestinian
# ># >residents after the Gulf war.  Mind you, these were not people
# ># >inciting others to murder like the Hamas boys.  They were kicked out
# ># >just for being Palestinian.  And not a peep from you, or any of the
# ># >hippocrates at the United Nations who routinely ignore Arab civil
# ># >rights abuse.

# ># >But I guess thats okay.  Arabs are allowed to kill, or expel one
# ># >another by your logic.  You only scream when Israel is involved.

# ># However there is a difference here.  In Kuwait, Palestinians were
# ># not kicked from their homeland.  In Israel, Palestinians were kicked
# ># from Gaza Strip and West Bank.  

# >	They were kicked out of Judea and Samaria, parts of the eternal
# >Jewish homeland.  And if they did not want to get kicked out, they had
# >no business joining Hamas.

# It is not Judea and Samaria. All the world knows it is the occupied 
# territories by the Israelis.

	It is Judea and Samaria.  The territories were liberated in the
1967 Six Day war forced on Israel by the Arabs.  The only occupying is
done by the Arabs who still occupy Jewish (they have mezuza holes - a
mezuza is a Jewish ritual object) homes which were taken when all the
Jews were either kicked out or expelled.

	As for what the rest of the world "knows", no one has the right to
parcel out Jewish land that does not belong to them.

# The peace process is all about this.

	There is no "peace" process.  There is a "piece" process by which
attempts are being made to destroy Israel piece by piece.

# ># If some jews argue Gaza Strip and West Bank are not for Palestinians,
# ># then we come to the root question that is: Where jews came from and where
# ># palestinians came from?  The outsiders vs. the insiders..

# >	The Jews come from there.  The "palestinians?" come from Arab
# >invaders.

# ># Palestine is NOT "a land without nation for a nation with out land."

# >	Correct.  There has never been a "palestine?".

# Go and read history books other than what you were taught. Palestine was
# there. It is there for all Palestinians.

	Take your own advice.  And when you find an independent State of
"palestine?", I suggest you call up every news organization you can
find.  You will have a scoop.

# >--
# >	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
# >at math and those that are not.

# Go and calculate the ratio of Palestinians and Arabs killed by Israel to 
# that of Jewish killed by Palestinians and Arabs, the ratio of deportees,
# the ratio of bombed houses, the ratio of POWs, and the number of 
# concentrated camps. It is a good exercise.

	First of all, the above is a JOKE.  I cannot believe you do not
realize that.  Second of all, I care about who is right more than I do
about those statistics, except to the point that the "wrong" pqarty is
responsible for those no matter who committed them.  Third of all, by
raising the red herring of "Concentration Camps", which is
ridiculously false, you are using a Nazi technique (the big lie).
This only does one thing.  Identify you as a Nazi.

# Other thing you should think about is human values and peace.

	I do.  Perhaps you should think of acurracy.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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