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From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Origin of Ferrets
Keywords: Quite understandable...
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:41:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., Austin, Texas

In article <1992Jul22.152736.16423@udel.edu> hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.132705.6158@novell.com> mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.054950.19788@udel.edu> hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:
>
>>I'm the original poster.  Regarding rash judgements, she *knows* better,
>>it's more of a knee jerk reaction.  She would never impose her opinion
>>on anyone but me and only when I make a "gee, I'd like to get a ferret
>>one of these days" noise.  The reason I posted a request for information
>>*was* to educate her.  She's quite reasonable and is willing to change
>>an opinion when presented with appropriate evidence.
>
>I apologize.  Upon rereading my original post I realize that it sounded
>much more flamable than it was intended to be.  It was not intended to
>personally flame M'Linda or her mother, it was more of a release of a lot
>of frustration from hearing a constant stream of horror stories caused
>by nothing short of ignorance about ferrets.

Quite understandable.  Thanks for the follow up.

M'Linda

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From: mstrange@alfred.carleton.ca (N E N Strangelove)
Subject: cockateils
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:18:24 GMT

HELP! We have an*extremely* noisy cockateil. Sandino is a approx. 6yr
old white, male who *hates* to be seprated from his surrogate parent,
Michael. The problem is that Michael is not always home. Sandino then
becomes *very* agitated, flying around incessantly, squawking loudly,
and just generally being quite anoying!

We're trying to think of ways to break him of this habit. We'd
appreciate any advice from any experienced cockateil owners.

Thanks in  advance,

Natalie and Michael Strangelove
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From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,apple.hot-ads.animals,ba.general
Subject: Re: BayArea places to bring your companion?
Keywords: pets, dogs, parks
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:39:54 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

yoyodyne@Apple.COM (Yolanda Renee Surratt) writes:

>I'm looking for places in the bay area which allow
>dogs and especially places that also allow swimming!
>My pup is a water rat.. she can't seem to get enough!

Ocean Beach in San Francisco allows dogs, but people swimming there usually
wear wetsuits...

--
Stef                 In the force if Yoda's so strong, construct a
stef@apple.com       sentence with words in the proper order then
                     why can't he?                               /fortune
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: bunny questions
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 04:26:04 GMT

In article <18495@drutx.ATT.COM> njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ) writes:
>For more complete information, get the book "House Rabbit Handbook"--it
>runs $8.95.  If you can't find it, you can order it from me by sending
>$10--$1.05 for postage plus $8.95 for the book--to:
>	Bunny Love
>	1271 Birch St.
>	Broomfield, CO  80020
>You can also send a SASE (a dollar or two to help cover copying costs is
>greatly appreciated) for articles on diet, litter training, a phamphlet
>called "Living with a House Rabbit," and whatever else I might have by then
>to:
>	House Rabbit Society
>	1271 Birch St.
>	Broomfield, CO  80020
>Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
>att!drutx!njl

I urge all bunny lovers everywhere to promote this book to their local
pet stores. I'm doing my part in Ottawa. The other books in the stores
never mention getting rid of the cage. All they say is to let the
rabbit out two to three times every day, each time for about 20
minutes. That is absolute cruelty and those books should not be on the
pet stores' shelves at all. Once they agree to buy the HRS book, ask
them to stop stocking the other books.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rabbit eating everything in sight...
Summary: Distract him and give him lubricants
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:33:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Jul29.141326.18383@news.cs.indiana.edu>, alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith) writes:
> 
> I am just *amazed* at the amount of paper, cardboard, lint, and other
> forms of non-edible matter...He eats EVERYTHING.

> Cords (which we are working on a solution for),

Cover with plastic tubing (the kind used in dry climates for "swamp
coolers")--most hardware stores carry it.  I suspect that fish acquariums
also use it.  Anyway, just slit it lengthwise, stuff the wires in, and it
closes over.  Your bun will no longer want it.

For large "clumps" of wires--block off with wood.

> This *can't* be good for his system!

No, sooner or later, he's going to get himself blocked up.  

First, give him lots of "good" things to chew--hay, pieces of pine lumber,
etc. and keep the paper and cardboard out of reach.

Give him papaya tablets with the enzyme amylase daily just to keep things
from clumping.

If you know he's eaten a bunch of junk, get some Laxatone, Petromalt, etc.
(intestinal lubricants usually sold for cats with hairballs) and get some
down him.  You can smear it on his feet and he'll indignantly clean it
off, ingesting it in spite of himself.

> He seems fine, his waste seems fine,
> but where is this stuff going????  =)  

Bunnies have secrets they never share...  :-)

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl
From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rabbits (and hamsters, guinea pigs, etc.) and litter
Summary: When pine/cedar is dangerous in litterbox, when it isn't
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:44:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

>                I now use the much maligned pine shavings, but feel
> there is not much danger since my bunny only visits his box to leave
> a load and then is elsewhere for the rest of the time.  He is not
> caged with the stuff.

For all of the animals that pine and cedar shavings are sold as litter
for, the problem is that phenols from the shavings are breathed by the
animal with eventual liver damage resulting.

For rabbits, the danger is primarily with covered litter boxes that cause
the phenols to collect in the space where the bunny tends to sit (or lie)
for long periods of time.  Unlike cats, bunnies don't just do the job
and leave, but tend to linger, some more than others.  If the box is not
covered, and if there is good ventilation (i.e., moving air), the danger
is probably minimal.

For mice, hamsters, guinea pigs, etc., that are often housed in completely
enclosed spaces like acquariums, I doubt that screen on top really provides
sufficient ventilation to keep the phenols out of the little ones' lungs.

Bottom line: each pet owner has to evaluate information of this sort and
determine what makes sense in their particular situation.  (I sometimes
make sweeping statements because they apply in the majority of cases and I
haven't time to cover all the details.  Hopefully everyone does as Natalie
has and does what makes sense.)

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: flea/tick spray
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: rec.pets
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:06:11 GMT


In article <1992Jul16.234755.14511@overload.lbl.gov> horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman) writes:
==> In article <KRYSTEK.92Jul16121323@alcor.bms.com> krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek) writes:
==> >
==> >I have read of a spray used to keep ticks and fleas and other
==> >insects from bothering people, dogs, cats, horses etc.
==> >
==> >2 cups vinegar
==> >1 cup Avon skin-so-soft
==> >1 cup water
==> >1 tablespoon Eucalyptus Oil
==> >
==> >Mix and administer from any spray bottle
==> >
==> 
==> Does anyone know if this would be OK for rabbits?

i don't know about the Eucalyptus Oil, but i have used
a solution of Skin So Soft on my rabbit with no ill
effects.  i suspect this solution would be okay.

my only question is wouldn't it make the animal awfully
greasy?  our dermotologist told us to make a solution
of 1/3 capful of SOS to one gallon water, and even that
can put a slight film on the animals.  it's slight and
it seems worth it to avoid more deadly chemicals, but
1 cup SOS to 3 cups liquid sounds like the Valdez is
in the neighborhood ;-(

meg

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Subject: Re: Origin of Ferrets
Keywords: AURGGGHHHH!!!!!
Organization: Novell Inc.,  Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.182243.29778@bwdls61.bnr.ca> clewis@bwdlh118.bnr.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.183440.6586@novell.com> mlinda@ca.novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
>>O.k., I need the asstance of "Ferret Parents".  Everytime the
>>topic of ferrets comes up, my Mother cops a "ferrets shouldn't
>>be pets because they are wild animals and it isn't fair to keep
>>them cooped up."  
>
<Ferret Facts omitted>
In fact, ferrets and certain terriers, have the same "role",
>as it's still practised today, in hunting rats and rabbits in England
>and other parts of Europe.

I tried to thank you via email, but it bounced.  THANKS!!!!  This
was exactly what I was looking for.

M'Linda
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From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rabbit infested with mites
Summary: How to use flea powder/spray on bunnies; also BIOLOGISTS, HELP!
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:09:54 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

> >My rabbit has a major infestation of mites. Flea powder does nothing.

You need to apply it by lifting the hair and shaking/spraying the flea
powder/spray carefully to get it all over the skin.  Use only those powders
and sprays approved for use on kittens.  Repeat every five days for weeks.
And weeks.  And weeks.  Until you're SURE they're gone.  I've recently used
this procedure to rid three new bunnies of mites.  It really only took
about three, maybe four weeks.

You can also spray/powder things like a cardboard carrier, etc. to rid them
of any mites lurking, waiting for the bun.

> I thought of using borax, but I don't know if that is toxic to rabbits.

No, it isn't toxic to rabbits, but I don't think it kills mites, either.
It kills fleas, not by being toxic (poison), but by drying them out.  I
wouldn't put it on an animal because of this drying of the skin, but it
wouldn't poison them.

However, I don't KNOW that borax won't kill mites.  

IS THERE A BIOLOGIST OUT THERE WHO CAN COMPARE FLEAS AND MITES AND GIVE
US SOME CLUES ABOUT THIS???  Or do some research for us?


Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Re: Rabbits and litter
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:17:39 GMT

In article <mstrange.711118025@cunews> mstrange@alfred.carleton.ca (N E N Strangelove) writes:
>
>Folks on rec.pets,
>
>I have another query for you.  We've been struggling with the litter
>dilemna for Barley, our 10month old mini-lop. We know that pine and
>cedar shavings are destructive, but our alternatives here in Ottawa,
>Canada are few and far between! Our suggested shredded paper [among
>other things...] and I think we'll give it a try.
>
>My question is: What kind of paper should I use? I know Barley will
>eat some of it, so I won't use news paper. Is there paper out there
>that is inexpensive yet not harmful to rabbits?
>
>Thanks for all your help!
>
>Natalie and Barley


I don't know if this is going to be any easier to find, but Purina
has a product for animal bedding that is made of paper, shredded
and compressed into hard pellets which resemble that chorophyll litter.
The pet shop (where I bought a former mini-lop of mine) kept the
rabbits on this.  It came in very large paper bags like dog food
and was inexpensive - however - that pet shop was 20 miles from
my house and I was unable to find any shops in my area that carried
it.  You can call Purina and ask if you have a local distributor,
but I'm sorry that the exact product name is escaping me right
now.  Does anyone else use this stuff?  I thought it was good at
handling odor and easy to scoop - the wet part kind of disintegrated
into a clump.  I now use the much maligned pine shavings, but feel
there is not much danger since my bunny only visits his box to leave
a load and then is elsewhere for the rest of the time.  He is not
caged with the stuff.

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
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From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Rabbit infested with mites
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:48:47 GMT

In article <18838@drutx.ATT.COM>, njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ) writes:

> > >My rabbit has a major infestation of mites. Flea powder does nothing.
> 
> IS THERE A BIOLOGIST OUT THERE WHO CAN COMPARE FLEAS AND MITES AND GIVE
> US SOME CLUES ABOUT THIS???  Or do some research for us?
> 
  This may sound like a dumb question, but how do you know if
  your bunny has mites (I guess the bun must scratch a lot,
  but can you see mites?).  Living in Florida, I'm very familiar
  with fleas, but except for ear mites, I've never known an
  animal to be infested with them.

  Speaking of fleas, is it common for bunnies to get fleas?

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From: rcoryell@well.sf.ca.us (Roger Coryell)
Subject: Re: BayArea places to bring your companion?
Keywords: pets, dogs, parks
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:28:43 GMT

In <70502@apple.Apple.COM> yoyodyne@Apple.COM (Yolanda Renee Surratt) writes:


>I'm looking for places in the bay area which allow
>dogs and especially places that also allow swimming!
>My pup is a water rat.. she can't seem to get enough!

>Are there any books, or articles maybe listing such?

>signed,

>yolanda and ember, the water rat!
Try agate beach in Bolinas, or the just north-of-there RCA beach.
For a more tame dog beach, Muir Beach is wonderful. Our dogs have
gotten breally spoiled... they just go nuts at the word "dogbeach".

Roger
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From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,talk.bizarre,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Jackelope / Basselope
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:55:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Jul21.205501.3698
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.105018.10801@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>>craigdo@microsoft.com (Craig Dowell) writes:
>>(lotsa goofiness deleted)
>(defense of ferrets deleted)

>The bassalope, so elegantly detailed by B. Breathed, was sighted (and
>drawn) by said person when he was a resident of Albuquerque.  He
>obviously sighted one of the several packs that meander about the
>Sandias while he was hang gliding.

>Bassalopes, native to New Mexico, have never, ever, been sighted in
>California.  In fact, we use them here at the Center of the Universe
>(TM) to keep the jackalopes in line.  Just feed 'em a Zinger to two,
>some Coke, and let them watch "A Current Affair" - pretty simple care
>and feeding.

I've always been told that a Bassalope was a Basset Hound with antlers. 

-> Insert BIG Smiley here <-

-Laura 

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>"It's just a rabbit...YEEARGHHH*rroolff*rroollff*gurglegasppantexpire"

>(Damn, Alan.  Sorry 'bout that.  Should have told 'em that those bones
>were really from the bodies of space aliens, huh?)

>Just another day at the Center of the Universe (TM)....
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From: dlee@girtab.usc.edu (David J. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,talk.bizarre,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Jackelope / Basselope
Date: 20 Jul 1992 23:08:11 -0700
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
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In article <62478@cup.portal.com> lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfreyman) writes:
->perhaps surprisingly, no-one has yet mentioned the Jackanape.
->and i'm certainly not going to be the one.
->						--@lS
->						"it ain't me babe"

What is a Jackanape and how are its droppings different from an
Apelope?  Thanks!

--
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Another Miller tragedy
Date: 24 Jul 1992 11:57:49 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

1992 must be a rotten year.  I took Sepia to the vet yesterday to have
a recurrent abdominal cyst drained, and the cyst was multiple cysts, filling
most of her body cavity, making breathing very hard.  She died in the vets'
hands as they were anethetizing her.  It was inevitable, I guess--she'd been
sick over a year--but I wish I'd kept her home and she'd been peaceful for
the time she had left.  She was just over 6 years old.  The cysts were 
ovarian--basically she never ovulated but made these cysts that never
ruptured.  Had she been human, or even a larger bird, she would have had
a hysterectomy I guess, but there's not enough of a lovebird to risk such
a thing.

Tangier is lonely now, she keeps calling, since Sepia had been her "mate".
I would very much like to adopt an _adult_ (1 yr or older) male Fischer's
lovebird for her.  If anyone knows of one, not already happily married,
please let me know.  Thanks.

Ruth
From: Molli.Struebing@bird.com (Molli Struebing)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: MATERIALS FOR BIRD TOYS
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:51:01 GMT

You can get thick cotton rope at your local building supply place. 
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From: Debbie.Kesling@bird.com (Debbie Kesling)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: HELP (AGAIN) WITH SISTER'S BLUE-F
Date: 21 Jul 92  00:46:10 EST

Hmmm...  That sounds like the technique of a certain vet I know in the Cinci
area...  I wouldn't take a ROCK to him!!
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From: hawk@oakhill.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Death of my pet
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:53:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.153225.9227@rtsg.mot.com> dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.175358.14628@oakhill.sps.mot.com> hawk@oakhill.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins) writes:
>>How do I deal with his 2 Buddies [double
>>yellows who are very lethargic without him]. I'm having a hard
>>time but things are worse for my other two pets.
>
>    Wow, that seems unusual.  They must have been quite friendly
>    towards each other.
>
>    I'd say change their routine.  Move their cage(s) to a different
>    location, take them outside more (clipped of course!), build a new
>    play perch or pen for them.  Try and spend more time with them,
>    teach them some new phrases or tricks.  My double yellowhead was
>    extremely outgoing, even clinging, but he never had a bird buddy.
>    You should have heard him shriek as we walked out the door, leaving
>    him at the babysitter's with all those big and strange birds!
>
>    What are their names, and what fun things can they do?
>
>
>        Jim Dunne       Motorola Cellular	dunne@rtsg.mot.com   

To all,

Thanks for the ideas on changing their routine.
Their names are Burraro [male???] and Tilly [female].
I've had Burraro 11 years and Tilly 7 years. They
all got along great in one large cage!. [at least
as long as Cookie was around to prevent mucho
Buarro from being a bully on Tilly!

Buarro just loves to eat and watch Buzzards and
remind me their flying above to protect me from
attack.

Tilly is a very affectionate talkative bird. Her
favorite verbage: "Stop that. Stop that! You bad
bird, MOM!" and "You bad bird Buarro get off of
there!"

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