HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gravely Mixed Up
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 02:05:12 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.234817.29419@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <5012@news.duke.edu>
>John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu (The Reverend Mr.  Spock)
>writes:

Very sly, I didn't see that until now.

>Jess, if the guy couldn't recognize a "fuck off" when it
>was spelled baldly out, why did you think he'd possibly
>recognize it this time?  As I said to someone in email, he
>seems to think his shit doesn't stink.

Well, I admit there is quite a strong aura of goody two-shoes
in that direction.  But I made it even more explicit in my
response.  But then, *you* know I'm an inveterate optimist,
uphill as that's been *this* summer.

<> The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie --
<> deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth,
<> persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
<> -- John F. Kennedy
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: --Vote on a day--
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:58:21 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Aug25.180029.3511@tandon.com> tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.100847.14705@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>How about Saturday, 10 Oct?  That puts it right between Columbus Day
>>>and National Coming-Out Day.
>>
>>So how does that sound to everyone else? 
>
>It's right smack dab in the middle of the quilt events in
>Washington!  Actually, a march from where the quilt lay to the
>white house wouldn't be so bad... at night, with candles
>burning, singing... sweet dreams George!

Someone else e-mailed me about the date conflict to, so I'm asking
for other ideas.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:43:08 GMT

In article <92240.142823IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
    IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>has nobody out here ever plugged a watermelon?

   Am I the _only_ person out there who's curious to know what was
going through ailsa's mind when she asked this question?

   No, I haven't... but I did have to replace the stuffing in my pillow
several times when I was younger.

>                                   -ailsa

         Elf !!!

Now that you mention it... I think watermelons are on sale this week...
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crossposting
Summary: there always *is* technology
Keywords: non-motss, irrelevant, but right
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:20:11 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> I'm not a news expert, but my impression is that
>the better news software handles things more efficiently
>(wrt spool space, maybe, though certainly not wrt *our* time
>in the given instance) if identical articles are crossposted
>rather than posted separately.  

The software shouldn't default to crossposting followups.

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Public displays
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:08:12 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar):
> Is this freedom?

well, it isn't kansas.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:05:10 GMT

In <1992Aug28.040208.28559@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>When a local TV station airs a gay parade, and the leather / drag contingent
>is spotlighted, that gets beamed into thousands of homes.  Now, imagine:
>we only have perhaps 30 seconds to make a statement to thousands of
>Americans.  A precious resource.  It seems like squandering the resource
>to _play_into_the_hands_of_the_bigots by giving them the circus they
>want to see.  

Having never seen a pride parade in person (ooh, alliteration 8-), I have
no idea how many groups participate, or what the "spread" is in terms of
getting a good cross-section of the populace.  I, like many others I know,
have only watched the parade from television.

What does this have to do with anything?  How about the fact that the
media is comprised of SENSATIONALISTS?  It wouldn't matter if 99% of the
parades consisted of non-stereotypical gays and lesbians; the media would
zoom in on the 1% that's bound to raise some sensationalism.

We can't do anything about that except try to get the less "spectacular"
types to keep pushing their message.

I remember watching CNN during the Democratic convention and tuning in too
late to catch the speeches from those who had AIDS.  For several minutes
after that, CNN's reporters on the floor would grab someone to talk to
about the speech, focusing on those with AIDS and/or those who are
homosexual.  The grand total I caught was only four people, unfortunately;
but in my mind those four people said volumes about breaking down the
negative stereotypes rampant in this country.

What did I see on the news that night?  Excerpts from the woman who has
AIDS, but nothing from the gay man.

That's sensationalism.


--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:43:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.193239.13588@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
> What's the problem, Arne?  I thought you and the other "enlightened
> masters" of soc.motss were so open-minded. 

Hey, Boob, just because *you* live in a World Without Women
(how utterly masc.!) doesn't mean that the rest of us do.
What, pray tell, is open-minded about denying our existence?

Masc. men make me a happy homo!
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:39:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Aug26.003153.14573@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
(ryerson.schwark) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.142735.381@mcs.gvsu.edu> orr@perlis.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes
Orr {Academic Computing}) writes:
>>One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
>>refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.
>
>We figured you would GirlUNfriend.  I mean its ok to be a homo, as long
>as your still a mysogynist.  idjit(tm).
>
>Ry Schwark
>ry@usl.com
>

The use of feminine pronouns by young gay males to describe other young gay
males may be misogynistic or it may not.  The banning of the use may be
misogynistic or it may not.  Since this is a support group for under 21 yr old
gays and Lesbians, it may be possible that the Lesbians in the group or Lesbian
leaders may have identified these uses as misogynistic and therefore asked the
group not to use them.  It is less likely that the leaders would be asking the
males in the group not to call each other by female pronouns out of a hatred or
distrust of women.  It is my experience that many of these young males are
misogynistic and use the pronouns as a way of putting each other down.

So, do I think use of opposite sex pronouns should be banned.  No.  I think it
is more important to think about and confront the way our society has
constructed gender appropriate behavior including sexual desire.  If a person
wishes to be addressed as a she or a he then the group ought to address the
questions of respect.  If a person feels insulted by being addressed in a way
they don't like then the "support" group ought to respect that person's
desires.  If this were a "therapy" group then questioning of why and how a
particular person is affected would be appropriate.  

A blanket denial of the use of commonly used terms without discussion and
agreement by all involved can only be seen as a manipulative technique by a
leadership that has a secret agenda that extends beyond support.

John Allan Graves
Unitarian Universalist Minister
From: carlton@scws1.harvard.edu (david carlton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jeans (was Re: Rob Bernardo)
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:51:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: scws1.CARLTON.92Aug27165149
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam
In-reply-to: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU's message of 27 Aug 92 18:57:51 GMT

In article <92240.145751IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

> does this mean that men don't use toilet paper?  wow...

We don't when we're just pissing, at any rate.  I suppose it would be
possible at home; public urinals don't have toilet paper available at
all.

david carlton
carlton@husc.harvard.edu

        Hey, I could be wrong.
                    - Arthur Hu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:22:37 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.114308.3413@nwnexus.WA.COM>
elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

>In article <92240.142823IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>    IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>>has nobody out here ever plugged a watermelon?

>Am I the _only_ person out there who's curious to know what was
>going through ailsa's mind when she asked this question?

Though I may have been mistaken, I was pretty sure I knew.
I saw a great porn flick once about these three guys in a
barn and a watermelon was one of the, uh, features.

>No, I haven't...  but I did have to replace the stuffing in
>my pillow several times when I was younger.

Grandmama KK, here's another of those *wicked* *wicked* boys!
Shall I attend to him?

<> Erotic is using a feather; kinky is using the whole chicken.
<> --(unknown)
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:47:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug28.214748.22015
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <vanyel.715034438@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>Let me see if I understand this: I suggest that maybe Bob has a point, and
>I state something about my *personal* likes and dislikes about something to
>do with *behaviorisms*

_Other people's_ behaviorithmth.

> get flamed for it, and I'm supposed to smile
>sweetly and walk away saying, "Gosh, how silly of me"?

No, that would be nelly.

>I don't think *anyone* should be the target of mindless discrimination.
>Period.

Then shaddup already about how the way other people comport themselves
bothers you.

>I also don't think morons like you have a clue as to how to
>*really* defuse that discrimination, other than to point fingers and cast
>half-truths about others to show the world how *baaaad* they are.

Whine, whine, whine, I've been flamed, whine, whine.

>Try reading *all* my posts.  You might learn something.

Tried that.  Hated it.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Archiver
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:47:27 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
: In article <1992Aug27.182800.1202@spdcc.com> 
: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
: > Two new head-shots of Arne Adolphson for the motss.pix archive:
: > arne_adolphson2.gif and arne_adolphson3.gif, to be found in the
: > usual place.
: 
: My forehead has an odd paint-by-numbers quality and my baby
: blues don't come across all that well in arne_adolphson2.gif.
: 
: > Arne looks pretty butch to me.
: 
: I *am* pretty butch, too.  Grrrrrr.  <Flex, flex, flex>
: 
: > I can't wait to find out what
: > Sargon looks like--somewhere between the Terminator and Tinkerbelle,
: > I'd imagine.
: 
: I think he's probably a dead ringer for Billie Burke.
: 

And Toto too?



Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pyro@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Leedell J. Miller)
Subject: Re: Where is the gay BBS list kept ?
Organization: Not Quite Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:03:11 GMT

From now on, the list can be ftp'd from
	ftp.acns.nwu.edu
in directory
	/pub/bbs.lists

The filename reflects the version.  For example, the current file is
	gay0892.bbs
This indicates that it is current as of August, 1992.
-- 
Leedell J. Miller        | int say_file_or_files(int ifval)
Internet: pyro@nwu.edu   | { cout << ifval << " file";
BITNET:   PYRO@NUACVM    |   if (ifval!=1) {cout << 's'};
ACNS, Northwestern Univ. | } // simple, stupid code missing from most programs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:31:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.




(me)
>many of my friends have had the same charges levelled
>against them.

/(anderson)
/Wherever do you find them?*

Everywhere.  


(me)
>I have seen "less butch" gay men give the straight-acting
>ones a ration of shit, for what appeared to me to be
>jealousy.

/(anderson)
/What appears to you being Absolute Truth, of course.

My, you are really wound up, aren't you anderson?

I had no idea I had this much effect on you.  Kinda nice,
actually.  The ability to spin your little ass up tighter
than a top, and watch you go ballistic is pretty entertaining
when I have nothing else to do.


(me)
>Truth is, the straight-acting ones were just being natural.

(anderson)
/Natural *what*?  Natural fake, like your character armor?


Natural acting.  You know, without pretense, without fakery,
and without rehearsing the lines.

On the other hand, maybe you *don't* know what that's like . . .
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 1 Sep 1992 03:59:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

A bunch of school children are playing at recess.  Near the sideline
sit three more children, who arrived after the game had begun, cheering
on the participants.  A is a plump young fellow who could never seem
to run as fast as his friends or throw a ball as far but still likes
to participate.  B is A's friend.  They grew up together.  B is starting
to mature early, has muscled up some, is possessed of a moderate amount
of dexterity, and does fairly well at most sports.  C, a recent friend
of B's, and a very recent acquaintance of A, was always taller, giving
him an advantage in speed, but a bit gangly making him good in some
sports, but worse in others.

During a break between games, one of the players comes over and asks
B and C if they would like to play.  One should join each team to keep
them even.  B asks (and C agrees) if A can play too.  One of the teams
was a bit stronger and A would probably make up for that difference
if he were to play and probably wouldn't shift the balance all that
much in any case.  The player calls back to the group and there is
much laughing and jeering, the general conclusion being that noone
wants "the dork" on their team.

B is completely turned off and won't have anything to do with their
game at that point.  The threat of further invectives being aimed
at himself does not change his position.  He will not leave his
friend.  C is confused.  He would like A to play, but deep down is
glad in a way that he doesn't have to watch A fumble over the ball
therein reminding C of how foolish he himself can appear at times.
But he doesn't understand why B seems to have a bug up his ass about
it.  After all, if they go and play, maybe the others will let A play
tomorrow, or the next week.  Since the others don't want just one of
them, since only one would upset the team balance, they won't let C
come play just by himself.  Now C sees B as a deterrent to his own
goals and turns on him demanding an explanation even seeking to turn
B against A.  In effect, C, who was formerly quite happy to sit around
with A and B secure in the feeling that eventually they would be
playing too, and who is now in sight of his goal, has taken on all
of the worst aspects of those whose company and acceptance he seeks.

  If someone will accept me on criteria that I do not agree with,
  I do not want their acceptance.  In fact, if I suspect that my
  acceptance was conditional upon my not doing something I will
  go out of my way to do that thing which I am not inclined to do,
  but which I want the freedom to do, to make sure that my supposed
  friends and I are in agreement.

					...jim
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:39:54 GMT

jake (jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com), acting curmudgeon:
 
> jake, acting curmudgeon since Henry Mensch appears to be on
> vacation...

[jake, acting curmudgeon ever since greg taught him
 how to spell it....]

--jns  [aggrieved because square brackets appear to have
		  become 'angry' during his absence, and wondering
		  why none of the twits ever call *him* mlle even
		  though it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to
		  figure it out, yet amused by the notion that his
		  writing might appear masc. or fem., regardless
		  the number of semicolons, but confident that Mara
		  will never tell, even if she could tell, although
		  it might be amusing to hear her try to tell.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.104332.22144@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug25.022226.4496@nwnexus.WA.COM>
>elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>
>>   Ah, well, some of us just can't give up old habits; the older Ford
>>gets, the hotter he is to me.
>
>He was 50 on July 13th.

There is a God.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Buck Rogers (was: research on the gay male voice)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:20:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug23.192039.2626
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I refuse to stand by and hear the movie Flash Gordon maligned. That is
one of the most *fun* movies I have seen in a long time. Maybe you
have to watch it in a crowd of obnoxious self-conscious intellectuals
who are all stoned or drunk.

And it does have Brian Blessed (hmm, maybe I do have a bear affinity..
weird). Brian Blessed shows up in the strangest shows - he was in one
of the Colin Baker Dr. Who episodes.

(but I will admit that Buck Rogers is pretty awful. But I'd love to
have some of those skintight vinyl outfits that the Beautiful Woman
(Wilma?) wore. Think they'd look good on me?)
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                        All things are true
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British spellings
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:19:57 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Sep3.011445.2718@quantime.co.uk>,
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

> In article <1992Sep2.205636.2124@macc.wisc.edu>,
> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> > In article <2aa4f041@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John
> > Fisher) writes:
> > >They therefore spell them *all* "-ize",
> > >with the following exceptions, which *don't* come from
> > >"-izein":
> > > [...]
> > >Lots of British and American people will tell you that
> > >using z for all of them is an American-only usage
> > ...
> > News to me.  I spell all those -ise, always have.
> 
> I'm sure John didn't mean to imply that the above *exceptions*
> were ever spelt with an -ize.
> I think he meant "using z for all the rest of the -ise/-ize words".

That's what I meant.  Sheer bad editing on my part.
Apologies.

--John
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 09:42:35 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: AB 2601 passes Californian senate
 <6lpya0a@rpi.edu>

i called in favor of it (my poor phone bill!).  sounds like there
are a LOT of people calling...
                                             -ailsa

p.s. i expect you california queers to do the same for me, if anything
gets to the governor of maine to consider signing!  B)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush is a piece of shit.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:50:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.132750.16273@exu.ericsson.se>,
exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>In article <dmnyg+h@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>>Didn't anyone notice she wore that red "AIDS" ribbon during her speech but
>>when George and the kids came on to the stage it was gone?
>>--
>>RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''
>
>Newsweek did - in it's Conventional Wisdom Watch section at the
>beginning of the current week's issue.  On the Mary Fisher (HIV+
>Republican speaker at the convention) plug, Newsweek said something
>like "But Barbara, what happened to the AIDS ribbon?".  I was glad to
>see *some* media coverage of the hipocrisy of her ribbon-wearing
>actions.

  The "piece of shit" talked to local San Francisco reporters
  yesterday about her disappearing ribbon trick.  She said that
  "I...uh, um, uh, made my point" by wearing it when she did, but
  wanted to "make other points" while on stage to suck face with
  Georgie in front of the cameras).


Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi