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From: gene@krell.esl.com (Gene Huang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: strings
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:31:18 GMT
Organization: ESL Inc., Sunnyvale, CA

> 20 gauge! I don't think Gamma Gut XL is available in 20 gauge. As a matter
> of fact, I doubt it's manufactured in 17 gauge. I saw 19 gauge string
> once (Pro Kennex Micro) and it was *extremely* thin. 20 gauge string in
> a normal racquet would last about 10 seconds.

Can you explain what "gauge" is?  I thought that the higher the gauge, the
thicker the string.  Here, it sounds like just the opposite.  Also, what's
the normal string gauge most players use?


Gene Huang
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: best shots in tennis
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:48:47 GMT

             
In article <YeWttV600WDKA9FdwU@andrew.cmu.edu>, vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
|> >
|>    Best volleys  : Cash (when he plays)-Edberg 
|> I think my choices are not bad ... what do you think about that ?
|> >
|> 
|> *I* think you're insane if you think Edberg is a better volleyer than
|> McEnroe.....

Edberg is a perfect textbook volleyer.  He gets consistently solid results.
Cash also has textbook form, is often brilliant, but can also be bad.  He is
more athletic and covers more ground than Edberg despite being shorter.
McEnroe does not have textbook form, but pulls off more brilliant shots,
delicate drop volleys, amazing angles, etc. than anyone in the history of the
game.  His volley rarely lets him down, but his serve which he needs to set up
the volley sometimes does.  Take your pick as to which of these constitutes
the best.
Tom
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From: steven@si30.b30.ingr.com (Steven Skibinski)
Subject: Re: need recommendation of racket string
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:04:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.174915.7066@ac.dal.ca>, jwang@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> 
|> Hello, everyone, I need help to my racket.  I paly tennis two or three times 
|> per week.  But I broke my string almost every half year.  I don't know what 
|> happen to me because my friend's rackets can last a few years.  I don't 
|> think I hit the ball very strongly and the tention of my string is set aroung 
|> 60 pound.  Every half year I have to pay over thirty bucs for my string, it is 
|> really annoying me.  What kind string can last long time?  Can you reccomend 
|> some good, not too expensive string to me? 
|> 
|> Thank you in advace.
|> 
|> James      jwang@ac.dal.ca  



Dear James,


 FIND ANOTHER PRO SHOP ....


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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: The right gripsize
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:10:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.183857.2670@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, fernande@cps.msu.edu (Jose Roberto Fernandez) writes:
> Is there an easy way to figure out what one's ideal gripsize is (by
> measuring the hand directly, say)?  Just holding the rackets in the
> store doesn't seem to help.

   There are some places that have charts where you place your
hand over it and it gives you some grip size.   Unlike shoe
sizes,  grip sizes is typically a matter of pure preference.
Some prefer large grips, others prefer tinier grips.  The
usual story I give is that Chris Evert is supposed to have
smaller hands than Martina, but she uses a racquet with a
larger grip size.  Martina prefers more of her hand around
the racquet.

   Actually, one thing that is bothering me is how accurate
grip sizes are.  I have two racquets, both labelled 4 1/2,
and one feels like a 4 3/8 and the other almost a 4 5/8.
It's just a guess though since it's hard to measure
the circumference to a tolerance of 1/8 an inch.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Best shots in tennis
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:21:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.220140.10305@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>Okay...now, just for fun, who do you think is best all-around
>red-headed, German, underground leader of a bizarre net cult?

Hmmm.... that's a tough one; Steffi Graf? :-)  She is more like
a blond than a red head though.

Seriously, I am just amazed by the immaturity shown in some
of the articles.
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     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: USTA rating
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:39:35 GMT

snguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu (Son Nguyen) writes:

>Since noone has done so...

>5.5    This player can execute all strokes offensively and defensively; can
>       hit dependable shots under preasure; is able to analyze opponents'
>       style and can employ patterns of play to assure the greatest possibility
>       of winning points; can hit winners or force errors with both first and
>       second serves. Return of serve can be an offensive weapon.

For many years, this category included the language "is capable of reaching
at least the quarterfinals or semifinals of the highest level club or city
tournament." That was obviously very restrictive. Does anyone have any insight
as to USTA's intent in revising the description? Are they trying to reduce the
obvious sandbagging which is prevalent in most USTA league play?

USTA has also published a more detailed breakdown of levels and descriptions - 
does anyone have this available?

-- Larry
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Best At One vs. Better Over-all
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:03:54 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Aug14.032509.7898@morrow.stanford.edu>, GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:
> 
>       Jim Courier is a tough and consistent  tennis  player,
>  and type much tougher  than  any  other  player in the game
>  today. That's why he is Numero Uno,  for  now.  Strokewise,
>  I'm not convinced that he's got the best.
> 
>       Here is a nice analogy:  I used to co-coach  a  soccer
>  team  of  8-9-year-old kids, each with above par skill, but
>  nobody's outstanding.  There was an opposing team with  the
>  best  fullback,  the  best  right  wingman,  and  the  best
>  halfback.   The rest of their team consisted of sub-average
>  players.  Having  those  best  skill  positions   did   not
>  guarantee anything, we beat them  because of our balance.
> 
>       So here, Jim Courier stays at No. 1 on the strength of
>  his overall consistency and mental toughness, and  yet  not
>  one  stroke  can  be  called  super/best.   I  salute  him,
>  definitely, for that.
> 
>       Lesson, maybe?  No one stroke can make or break it.
> 

   Let's not forget that Courier does actually have one
of the hardest forehands in the game, comparable to
Agassi.  The reason we don't see this so much is that
Courier now plays a more restrained game.  He still
hits the ball pretty hard, but not so much to
hit winners as to pressure his opponents on the
strokes.   The reason Agassi gets the nod as the
best forehand is that he can hit it for winners quite
a lot (and has been successful at doing so).  I would
even put someone like a Korda as having a very good
forehand, up there with Agassi, but because he lacks
the consistency in results,  his forehand is typically 
not considered.

   And, of course, we used to have someone like Wilander
who could get to quite a lot of balls, and hit passing
shots under pressure, but who may not have had the
best of any stroke.   If you can get back the best
hit shots in the game, then you have a chance at beating
them.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: srikant@skorpio.usask.ca (Srikant Subramaniam)
Subject: Olympic Men's Singles Champ??
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:34:17 GMT

Could somebody tell me who is the mens olympic champ?
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From: cpmcgann@swift.cs.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: US Open Timetable & Tickets ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:19:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin



Does anyone have a timetable for the US Open at Flushing Meadows?

Also what is the story on ticket availability?


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From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Do STRINGING PATTERNS affect performance?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:30:49 GMT

I am wondering (after all this discussion on strings) whether the
stringing pattern has any effect on playability or durability on a
tennis racket.  I did read a post that said the original Wilson ProStaff
had to be strung in an "around-the-world" pattern.  Otherwise frame
breakage would be very likely.

I'm asking this because I can't seem to get the feel I had from my
strings from last season.  Last season I had my CTS Approach 90 strung
with Prince Topspin at 65 lbs., but had to go down to 58, because the
setup felt incredibly boardy.  That string job pretty much lasted me
the whole season, playing for about 50 hours total. At the end of
those 50 hours, my stringer used a tension meter to measure what was
going on, and said the mains were holding up, but the crosses were on
the loose side. OK.

Unfortunately, that person retired and moved down to South Carolina :-(
He charged really good prices too (and USRSA certified at that!),
leaving me with nowhere to go.  He had a floor model Ektelon for a
machine.  Now I go to this tennis shop that has a Babolat electronic
stringing machine, and I'm just not getting the feel I used to have. 
Mind you, I have YET to try Topspin strung on this machine, but
I plan to do it soon.  The only strings I have tried with this
machine are Technifibre 315 GTX, and all was fine for the first hour.
Things after that got really spongy on me.  Next string job was
something called Leonia Geo 66, a square string.  Not bad, but
I didn't feel I had as much bite as that Topspin job I've been
yearning for.  I then tried something called Isospeed, which
is a Technifibre clone, this time at 62 lbs.  as opposed to 58. 
I asked for the 17 gauge that Thomas Muster uses.
When I got the racket back, I looked at the strings and thought,
"Looks pretty thick for a 17 gauge", but said nothing.  Doesn't play
badly either, but I will definitely restring before the post season
company league tournament.  It did feel a little boardy hitting
against a fast paced ball machine, so I will move back to 58 lbs.

I will most likely restring with Prince Topspin or Gamma Gut Pro (17L
gauge).  I have broken strings twice in my 10 years in the game, so
these strings shouldn't give me a problem in terms of breakage.
Should I ask to have my strings in a particular pattern to enhance
performnance?  Does it matter?  Gak!

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From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Subject: Re: BOOM BOOM booms again!!!
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:05:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.193417.14920@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:
>WHAT TIME IS IT??
>IT'S BOOM BOOM TIME!!!!

Shaddup.  This is rec.sport.tennis, not rec.mindless.hero.worship.

-- Zeke.
From: pellard@BBN.COM (Penny Ellard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: US Open questions
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:00:32 GMT
Reply-To: pellard@BBN.COM (Penny Ellard)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


I know this has been asked before, but I never had reason to pay attention
before...

What are the dates for the US Open?

How does the ticketing work?  Do you get assigned seats in the stadium court,
or free run of the complex?

What is the best means of transportation coming from/returning to Brooklyn?
If the answer to this is "subway," is it a safe trip at night?

As you may have guessed, I found tickets for a night session just lying
in the street with no one to claim them (or something like that ;-).
Any helpful suggestions you have for someone who has never
been to a tournament (pro, amateur or otherwise...) let alone the US Open
will be appreciated.

Email preferred, but I'll try to find time to read this group for a while.

Thanks,
Penny


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From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: best shots in tennis
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:52:01 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>
   Best volleys  : Cash (when he plays)-Edberg 
I think my choices are not bad ... what do you think about that ?
>

*I* think you're insane if you think Edberg is a better volleyer than
McEnroe.....

--Vernon.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Best At One vs. Better Over-all
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:29:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163145.28279@cs.ucla.edu>, page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page) writes:
> Let's add another category:
> 
> 	Best at constructing a point:
> 
> The complaints about the power of the current game would lead one to believe
> that constructing a point is becoming a lost art.  Not surprisingly, the ones
> who come to mind are not prominant in the game today.  Eg. Chris Evert, Borg,
> Wilander and Connors.  These are primarily players who did not have one killer
> shot to knock through for winners (ala Agassi's forehand or Sampras' serve), but
> rather could think one or two strokes ahead, moving the opponent around, and
> creating an openning you could drive a truck through.
> 
> So I ask, who is best at it today?

   After some thought, I am having difficulty coming up with
someone like that.   I would probably say Courier or Chang,
but typically I think of someone who has a reasonable volley.
To me, someone like Wilander used to set up points and mix
it up.  Also, maybe someone like Mecir (though he's more or
less retired).  I was even impressed with Agassi mixing things
up against Lendl.  He sometimes goes for wide angles, high
loopers, and of course, his unusual first serve position.
I would like to say Lendl, but Lendl seems to have one
mindset when playing certain players.  It seems to take
him a while to change strategies when he is down.

   Tough question!

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Subject: Re: Connors says young guys don't cut it
Organization: James Cook University
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:11:17 GMT

In <92225.114212BUSBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <BUSBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I believe what he is intimating is that there are few if any players out on
>the circuit that have true charisma. Something the audience loves. Nastase had
>it as did MacEnroe and Conners and even Borg. (in a quiet way) 

>Today the only players that
>seem to follow in these players shoes are Agassi (mens tennis) and Graf,
>Navratilova, Seles and Sanchez-Vicario.

  Men with charisma: Agassi, Ivanisevic, Cash, Becker.
  Lendl "has it" for me, quite a lot like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Courier
tries, but doesn't succeed. A few guys like Korda and Wheaton might "have it",
but we don't see enough of them to tell. Brad Gilbert might have charisma, but
it's in the same awful vein as Connors.

  Wome with charisma: Steffi, but only in a feminine automaton way equivalent
to Lendl. Seles - well, maybe, I think she is mostly grunt. Sanchez-Vicario
yes, Sabatini yes, but only because she has that gorgeous body that deserves
to be cast in plaster and have the arms chopped off. Capriati, I think, as she
gains more confidence in herself. Navratilova's still got it, but not like
Steffi still has.


Friendless, vowing to call female tennis players by their surnames except when
            discussing what I'd like to do to them :-).
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Feel of CTS Synergy
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:19:09 GMT

In article <7848@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, dchien@boole.seas.ucla.edu (David H. Chien) writes:
> 
>     I like the CTS Approach.  I want to know if any of the Synergies play
> identically or better, or if Prince has tweeked the old into something
> ugly:)
> 

   The Approach feels (to me) stiffer than, say, the Synergy 26
or 28.  Those two racquets feel better and seem to hit better.
I didn't test the two under identical conditions (tension, mainly)
so I couldn't say.   The Synergys are supposed to use some
liquid crystal stuff to reduce vibrations, and it seems
to do the job.  Try to test them if you can.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Best shots in tennis
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:47:59 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Aug12.232427.5202@morrow.stanford.edu>, AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman) writes:
> mmmirash@bearcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:
> >
> >   Serve:  Most dangerous -- Boris Becker
> >           Most versatile -- Boris Becker
> >   Best volleys  : Boris Becker
> >   Best forehand : Boris Becker
> >   Best backhand : Boris Becker
> >   Best lobber   : Boris Becker
> >   Best overhead : Boris Becker
> >   Best drop shot: Boris Becker
> >   Best drop volley: Boris Becker
> >   Fastest mover : Boris Becker
> >   Best return of serve : Boris Becker
> 
> 
> Okay...now, who do you think is best all-around?
> 
> ;-) ;-) ;-)

   Why, Miloslav Mecir, of course.

;-) ;-) ;-)

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Do STRINGING PATTERNS affect performance?
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:59:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Aug19.165952.55959
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.014626.26239@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>   From time to time you see some diagonal stringing.  I think
>MadRaq makes a diagonally strung racquet, and Davis used to
>make one, too.  Obviously, this has never caught on.  One
>reason, I've heard, is that it uses more than the standard
>length of string.  Is this true?  More importantly though,
>the advertising usually says that this pattern allows
>one to spin more.  Is this true?

Yes, it requires more string and according to MadRaq allows more spin and
control than conventional patterns, but I've never played with one.
 
>   Also, I am wondering if there is some device that measures
>tension (actual).  I think Filaman said there was something
>that measures relative tension.  Also, given that two stringers
>use the same machine and they are reasonably competent, should
>the tension always be the same given the same racquet strung
>at the same tension.  The reason I ask is that if the stringer
>matters, then that throws one more variable to the equation
>of figuring out how to get a consistent string job.

There is no commercially available device to measure actual tension. You
could use the StringMeter to compare string jobs from one stringer to 
another. You're right about using one stringer to get consistent results.
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From: bose@unity.cs.umn.edu (Ashim Bose)
Subject: Re: Olympics Women's Final : RESULT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:58:59 GMT

In article <l85i5iINNj5r@news.bbn.com> adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.172531.28493@ohm.york.ac.uk>, weber@ohm.york.ac.uk (Weber Martins) writes:
>|> Capriati d. Graf 2-1 (3-6, 6-3, 6-4).
>|> 
>|> 
>|> What do you think about that match, folks????
>|> 
>
>
>   This is a great win for Jennifer.  She showed a lot of mental
>   toughness to not only hang in there and beat Graf but also
>   winning over Arantxa (despite the fact that the King and
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^
>   Queen of Spain were in the audience).
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why should that be such a big deal?  I would think that the partisan crowd
would be a much bigger factor.

Ashim
From: sclc@engrhub.ucsb.edu (Chiang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Wilson Pro Staff Kevlar, good?
Keywords: Wilson, racquet
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:44:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.tennis
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

In article <kuan.713555462@manning> kuan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Kuan Choon Lian) writes:
>I am thinking of buying the Wilson Pro Staff Kevlar(midsize), but
>I am not sure whether the Wilson Pro Staff Classic will be a better
>choice. Would anyone has played with these two racquents give me some
>comments and comparisons of these two racquets? Thanks.
>

I've played with both versions of ProStaff several times.  Both are excellent
racquets with great feel and control.  Personally I prefer the Classic, which
has a larger hitting area and gives more power since it is technically a
wide-body racquet.  My suggestion is for you to demo both racquets at a pro
shop and check them out for yourself.



S.C. Chiang
UCSB
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