HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy)
Subject: Attention ALPINE owners *again* (was: ALPINE SUCKS)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:52:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.211839.2741@ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
>mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy) writes:
>
>>Maby my point was not clear:  The unit's that I bought 3 years
>>ago, (Along with some friends who bought the SAME units and
>>the SAME time) all have the same problems, along with some
>>mail I have received from people on the net (Who wont post for
>>some reason) I can conclude that theese problems are common to
>>theese units, and alpine should be responsible.  My complaint
>>Marc.
>
>OK, I'll post.
>A friend of mine is a service tech at the local Alpine dealership.
>He told me (before I read Marc's story here) that the 7903's used a cement
>(I believe on the circuit boards) that gave off an acidic gas. This gas
>caused various rubber pieces inside to deteriorate. He had just finished
>"rebuilding" one when he told me the story.
>Personally, I have a 7905 hat has started acting up after 2 years of everyday
>use. I'm still a big Alpine fan though. I have been well pleased with my
>3554 and 3522 amps.


OK, Refering to the above message, and a VERRY GOOD
reccomendation previous to this message. (And I have already
been seeking other alpine owners with similar problems, and
have gotten a few replys.)

ANYONE with a ALPINE CD Player, with similar problems listed
above, PLEASE contact me!

Marc.

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: mgoodwin@nmsu.edu (Michael E Goodwin)
Subject: RE: all you guys read this the edited version
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec.audio.car
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:22:59 GMT

Brett,
	Seems like you calmed down before you wrote your second post.
> to all that took my comments in the wrong way, 

	Dude, there weren't too many people that I think you DIDN'T
piss off with your first post.
	I happen to listen to that shit called Rap Music. I don't 
listen to it for the poetic and witty lyrics, I listen to it for the
BASS!!
	You don't like the words to the songs? Next time I'm in your
area, I'll be sure to look ya up, drive past you (during the day) 
and adjust everything just so you can hear them. This is a FREE
country and we can play what we want. And if you don't like it, 
pay attention to my sig
	Oh, one more thing. Would it be feasible to drive past your
place say around 3 or 4am while cranking the William Tell Oviture(sp)?
No gawdy rap lyrics, to piss you off, but nice cannons to rattle your
windows. Oh, BTW what kind of superior music do you listen to?



Michael Goodwin                    * If you don't like  *
New Mexico State University        * my music, then buy *
mgoodwin@nmsu.edu      ,,,         * a radio that is    *
                      (o o)	   * louder than mine!  *
-------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---------------------------
|     Don't take life too seriously, because you'll     |
|             never get out of it alive.                |
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From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: CDs for car stereo
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:00:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Oct1.220056.3777
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	Car Stereo Reveiw once had a listing of the best cds to listen
to to test the range of your car stereo.   I was wondering if anyone
had any personal favorites of their own.

							- Warren
						wwein@skidmore.edu
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In no sense?  Nonsense." AON

"Female Cathons pick their mates by the size of their balls" -TN
From: laflisc@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS BETTER READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:12:27 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1a3flgINNks5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bs753@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brett J Grimes) writes:
> 
> ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS HAVE THAT GOD DAMN RAP SHIT, GOING DOWN THE
> MOTHER FUCKING STREET AT 3:00 AM IN THE FUCKING MORNING SHIT HAS 
> GOT TO STOP. IM SICK OF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! TURN THE FUCKING SHIT
> DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT SHIT, SOME OF US HAVE A GOD DAMN JOB AND
> HAVE TO GET UP EARLY.  SO FUCK ALL YALL!!!!!!!!!

Dear sir,
	Do people in Cleveland only jam to rap or does loud country or
rock not keep you awake?
	You are not the only one who has a job an dhave to get up
early.  The rest of us just dont write immature letters that are funny
in a way.  Yes, I did laugh at you when I read this.  If you really
think this will do any good keep on typing. 
	Next time you get all pissed off, please dont waste our memory
blowing up like this.  I am sure it will get boring.

						Scott

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: pbg@cs.brown.edu (Peter Galvin)
Subject: Car stereo security
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:17:23 GMT

Well, someone just ripped off my "removable" car stereo.  I figured
the middle of the day in a well-traveled parking lot would be safe.
And of course it's a pain to carry the large-ish unit.  So, I'm
thinking about getting one of those removable-faceplate stereos to
replace it.  My question is, do thieves know that they are useless
without the faceplate, or do they attempt to steal them anyway and
only find out later that it is (supposedly) very difficult to get
replacement faceplates.  Thanks for any help and commiseration...

Mail to me and I'll summarize.

--
					      --Peter

------------------------------------------    --------------------------------
Peter Baer Galvin       		      (401) 863-7623
Systems Manager, Brown Univ. Comp. Sci.       pbg@cs.brown.edu
Box 1910 (115 Waterman Street)                uunet!brunix!pbg
Providence, RI 02912  (02906)		      pbg@browncs.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS BETTER READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:36:27 GMT


AMEN!

THE HYPEMAN
From: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: RE: A FRENCH LOOKING FOR
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: rob.runkle@cccbbs.UUCP (Rob Runkle) 

Stephane
        I would like to send you some information with an address.  I
prefer not to share my address on this board.  Or at least give me a fax
number.
                                                Thanks, Bill
From: dks@Apple.COM (dk smith)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: all you guys read this the edited version
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:56:51 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1a5kbiINNh6k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bs753@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brett J Grimes) writes:
>
>My comments were not pin pointed to everyone who has a system in there
>car just the ones who have that rap shit. I myself like to hear the
>bass but also like to here mids and highs. i have a eclipse head 

[ deleted calculated description of Brett's fine stereo system ]

>If I pissed anyone of "sorry".
>
>have a nice day 

You missed the point, dude.
It is rude to post a callous attack on anything or anybody. Especially one
that resorts to a bunch of profanity. Eddie Murphy and stupid movies provide
enough of that sort of thing in our society. It is brain-less. Back in college
we used to refer to actions like yours as a "non-thinking individual move". 

If you want to slam somebody you will make more of an impact if you explain 
your position in a manner that may indicate you walk erect and have not been
dragging your knuckles on the ground for hundreds of thousands of years...

---
dks@apple.com | Above opinions are mine and are not endorsed by Apple Computer
AppleLink: ULTIMATE | 408 974-1275 | Play Disc, Enjoy Disc, Live by SOTG
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Need Help W/ ISOBARIC Box Design!
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:38:08 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1a4ohiINN45r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza) writes: 
|>  My friend is Interested in Buying two Kicker 12 Competition speakers,
|> but a standard box to put the 12's in will not fit in his hatch, he
|> has a 88 hyundai Excel...its like 14' high max, about 38' wide, and
|> it has an angle where the seats are in the back. Its around 14-18 
|> inches (I think) deep, deeper on the bottom because of the angle...

  14"x38"x14" is about the same space that I'mn looking at for my
  sub box. You should have no trouble building a bandpass or iso 
  box to fit there, say something around 13"x13"x18" or 1.76 cuft.

|> Anyways, I hear Isobarics would be a good solution, what i need to
|> know is some info on these boxes(Design, shape etc...)

  I'd give Stillwater Designs a call - 405-624-8510
  Though I haven't call them specifically, I have called Orion, MTX,
  and JL Audio, told them what I was wanting to do, and they gave me 
  optimum sizes, frequency responses, suggestions, etc.

|> and possibly how to figure out the dimensions knowing the space
|> in the hatch...

  As far as I've been able to learn, as long as you achieve the
  desired internal volume and avoid square cube shapes (12"x12"x12"),
  it really doesn't matter what shape it is, rectangular, cylindrical,
  pyramid, trapezoid, rhomboid,...


 Hope this helps.

 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: yystg@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (STEVE GRAHAM)
Subject: Re: THE FINAL WORD ON POW
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 29 Sep 1992 10:11 EST  

In article <boing.717387961@mcl>, boing@mcl.ucsb.edu (Geff Hanoian) writes...
> 
>	Rob,
> 
>	Ok ... I give up ... tried to help you guys out on the power wire
>	thing and wasting money but if all I get is ridiculed then
>	it's really not worth my time.  I too am a college student and
>	have taken 4 quarters of COLLEGE PHYSICS and I going to start
>	taking EE classes tommorow.  I know my four gauge wire can carry
>	atleast 100 amps because I touch it to the chasis and before
>	I could blink the circuit breaker went "*POP*".  Now I do agree that
>	using high grade speaker wire isn't going to hurt you, but the
>	power wire ... common man.  If it'll start your car, then it'll
>	run your stereo and if it doesn't then your gonna need a new
>	pair of ears in about a week.
> 
>						thanx
> 
>						boing
> 
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  Nakamichi, Precision Power, AVI SOUND, and Monster Cable Speaker Wire.  |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey, someone who makes sense!

S. Graham
From: laflisc@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: ALPINE SUCKS!! (still)
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:38:10 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <tom.718217112@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu>, tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain) writes:
> mxl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (marc.a.levy) writes:
> 
> : Most of the above factor's are irrelevant, my biggest
> : complaint is how they handled me, their attitude was "You are
> : having a problem with a ALPINE? Are you sure?? Our products
> : never break!"...  Yea... Right... Get a clue!
> 
> By the sound of your attitude (as usual), I'm sure their attituded was
> justified....  Go buy a Craig, it will be cheap and you'll be
> happy!
> --
> 
> Tom McCain 
> tom@ecn.purdue.edu

I agree with Tom that you should go buy a Craig and be happy.  While
your at it stop posting notes in which your are just crying with not
giving a good explanation.  What is wrong with your pieces? 
Everything is important when you are trying to find problems.  If you
put a unit in a place where it might get wet but dont tell some one
who is trying to fix "the sudden shorting problem that wont go away", then
you are the problem.
But you sound like you will never listen to any one who uses Alpine
products so never mind.
BTW I have had a 7380 for 5 years with no problems.  Except the time a
drunken friend stuck a melted tape in it.  Of course the local dealer
just sent it to Alpine and they told me to fuck off.  NOT 
They fixed it and sent it back, all for free.......go figure.

						just adding my own
	
							Scott
					       	    laflisc@wkuvm1
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: J. Michael Salkovick - you still there?
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:23:20 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 Say J...

 I've been trying to email you but it keeps bouncing back.

 Could you email me the name and number of your dealer we
 talked about a few weeks ago?

 Thanks in advance.

 TRAVIS 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: thumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Mojica)
Subject: Re: ALL YOU MOTHER F***ERS BETTER READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:16:56 GMT

>In article <1a3flgINNks5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bs753@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brett J Grimes) writes:
>>
>>ALL YOU MOTHER F***ERS HAVE THAT G*D DAMN RAP SH*T, GOING DOWN THE
>>MOTHER F***ING STREET AT 3:00 AM IN THE F***ING MORNING SH*T HAS 
>>GOT TO STOP. IM SICK OF YOU MOTHER F***ERS!!!!! TURN THE F***ING SHIT
>>DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT SHIT, SOME OF US HAVE A GOD DAMN JOB AND
>>HAVE TO GET UP EARLY.  SO F*** ALL YALL!!!!!!!!!

Why don't you give me your address just so I can go BOOM! BOOM! by your house.
What a geek, where did he learn such obscene language.  Geeezzzzz.......
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   )
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS BETTER READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep27.094047.17252@scott.skidmore.edu>, jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser) writes...
>bs753@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brett J Grimes) writes:
>> 
>> ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS HAVE THAT GOD DAMN RAP SHIT, GOING DOWN THE
>> MOTHER FUCKING STREET AT 3:00 AM IN THE FUCKING MORNING SHIT HAS 
>> GOT TO STOP. IM SICK OF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! TURN THE FUCKING SHIT
>> DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT SHIT, SOME OF US HAVE A GOD DAMN JOB AND
>> HAVE TO GET UP EARLY.  SO FUCK ALL YALL!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
>Well, everyone is entitled to their free speach... that is, until that
>person's sysadmin says they're not.  Just something to ponder...
> 
>				- Jason
> 


first off, i read your repost, as well as the one who (sort of) agreed with
you.

i like rap. a lot. i also like other forms of music- mostly jazz and
acoustic guitar.  there are also some fantastic vocalists out there,
and thats what i really like to play loud and CLEAR.

i have a quality system in my car, although i wont list components because
its really the install that counts.  
my friends listen to rap too, and although many of their systems are not that
great, they are the best that they can afford.  i try to give them sound
(pun intended) advice as well as direct them to a good install shop instead
of a rip off joint.  unfortunately, not every one has 2k in the bank or
a new visa card to use for a car stereo. after all, this is late 1992
and most of us regular folks have had a hard time with reagan-bush.


i understand that you dont care for rap music.  i really wouldnt expect one to
understand it unless they understand the urban environment from which it
comes, or the raps from the "old school" of the seventies (your big brother
probably was into the disco era that this spawned, disco is one now, though).

i try not to wake people up with my music, i thy to respect their rights, as
long as they respect mine.  unfortunately, there are a lot of people out
there that dont respect anything, i would really hope you are not one
of them.  i would like to think that when you rushed out of the house at
three in the morning to post this drivel you were actually sleepwalking,
in which case the driver should have made another pass to wake you up and
save you from yourself.

don't stop reading yet

i would like to tell you when loud, distorted, shitty music bothers me.
this is a true incident.  the sickening part is that it is so strereo-
typical (no pun intended this time)

it bothers me when three young white men, who are blasting guns and roses
(surely a talented yet profane group), drive by a black woman who is waiting
for a bus with her daughter (looked to be seven or eight), and throw a bottle 
at them yelling, this is a quote, "how much you fucking nigger whore!"

have a nice day.  please dont post anything else on this net.  i dont like you.
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Car Insurance   Was Re: help: how to replace $600 stolen radio ?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:58:45 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 Okay, Sergei's got a bad situtation.

 And that makes me think about the insurance.

 My insurance company says:
  
   If I leave my keys and the car gets stolen - no dough.

   If I leave it unlocked or windows down and non-secured
   stuff (CDs, packages, etc) gets stolen - no dough.

   I've installed an alarm - Code Alarm, microwave motion
   sensor, glass break sensor, and shock sensor.  I get 
   about a 25% discount on my Comprehensive.

   But now, if I fail to arm it and stuff happens - low 
   to no dough.  Especially, not for any hi-end audio gear.


 Anybody else have similar insurance "clauses"?

 TRAVIS
From: poulson@cs.widener.edu (Joshua R. Poulson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Car stereo security
Date: 6 Oct 1992 15:31:38 -0400
Organization: Widener Univ. Dept. of Computing Services
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: lisa.cs.widener.edu

In article <6OCT199211035091@bestsd.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes:
>In article <PBG.92Oct6101723@bob.cs.brown.edu>, pbg@cs.brown.edu (Peter Galvin)      writes...
>>And of course it's a pain to carry the large-ish unit.  So, I'm
>>thinking about getting one of those removable-faceplate stereos to
>>replace it.  My question is, do thieves know that they are useless
>>without the faceplate, or do they attempt to steal them anyway and
>>only find out later that it is (supposedly) very difficult to get
>>replacement faceplates.  Thanks for any help and commiseration...
>Hopefully, as they become "educated". Also, there's probably a good chance 
>that these will all eventually be designed so that the faceplate only works 
>with the unit that it comes with. If that's true, then thieves won't be able 
>to tell which players have this feature - which ones to steal.

Unfortunately, these theives also know that people who buy removable
faceplate stereos might also spend money on amplifiers and speakers...
and they'll take your car apart looking for them. Soon, the thieves will
go after cars with those first because they're the hottest newet gear
and so there will be loads of other nice toys in the car to steal.

Please don't skimp. Don't buy a club. For god's sake don't tint your
windows. Buy an alarm, it doesn't have to be a really trick one, just a
couple hundred dollars will add greatly to your piece of mind.

And, please, don't put stickers in your windows saying what kind of neat
aftermarket gear you've installed... :)
-- 
Joshua R. Poulson (NICname: JRP8)          [Joshua R. Poulson@cyber.Widener.EDU]
Systems Programmer, Widener University     [jrp@netman.Widener.EDU]
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Q: Tweeter wiring from CSR..
Date: 4 Oct 1992 14:32:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, brian@navaho.eel.ufl.edu (Brian Gentry) says:

>I got the impression from the original quote that the tweeters were 
>wired out of phase with each other--not with the mids.  Your 
>explaination seems a lot more logical, but I've seen weird things done 
>in cars before (like wiring tweeters out of phase with each other).  
>The only possible reason I can see for this is that the installer 
>*thought* he was time aligning the system or something along those 
>lines.  I would like to see/hear a system which has delay to the 
>passenger side speakers to make up for the arrival time difference
>between the driver's side and passenger side speakers.  Of course this
>would only sound right to the driver, but it would sound really good.

This may have been an attempt to time align the higher frequencies for
the driver. The time alignment of the speakers AT the speakers is not so
important. What is important is the time alignment at one's ears. So, in
reality, they may of been correct from the drivers seat. It could also
be correct for the passenger! Except, he may be 180 out of phase, referenced
to the driver's point of view. There are some discussions of whether apso-
lute phase is audible, however, I doubt it'll be so subtle that in a car
enviroment, it will not be. [ do to all the reflections that abound in a 
car's interior ]

>
>			Brian L. Gentry
>		   (brian@sioux.eel.ufl.edu)
>
-- 

	" It's time for Congress to tell the president to shove his 
	veto pen up his deficit! "  
					- Rep. Jim Traficant.
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: dsg@cci632.cci.com (Dave Greenberg)
Subject: Re: help: how to replace $600 stolen radio ?
Keywords: insurance value $600, suggestions ?
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:46:53 GMT


	If you don't mind me asking .... What city do you live in??!


						Dave