From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:50:28 GMT
Organization: New York University

ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.104411.9076@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
>>In article <63780007@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>>>
>>>You think Taiwanese can choose everything they want, that is wrong `
>>>at the first place, you have to play the game according the rules, right?
>>>just like the Southern states of the USA don't have the freedom of suceding,
>>>Taiwan can not do that either. You might say the southern states
>>>did choose sucede from the Union before the Civil War, but the
>>>Union "chose" fight to keep the Union.
>>>
>>>Ze Yang
>>
>>People can and normally will choose what the best is for themselves,
>>although they may not get it.  Just like you and me.  

>Is Yang suggesting that
>"You(Taiwanese) must sacrifice for us(mainlanders) for our great unification."?
>Hmm..., I start to realize the fundamental attitude of a communist ---
>        yours is mine. mine is not yours.

I have to say that Mr. He's understanding ability is too limited, 
what I want to say is that when you make your "choice", you should
pay some attentions to those well established rules, say in a department
store, you can not simplely choose every mechandise you want without
paying for them (you can still "choose" doing that, but after considering
you could be put in jail, that kind of choice is not an optimic one). 
On the issue of TI, the same argument holds, because Japan returned 
Taiwan to China after WWII, the Chinese people is the legistimate 
owner of Taiwan, if you want to sucede, we have to protect our property.
Before you utter your "mine" and "yours" theory, you's better
know more about the past of Taiwan.

>I also consider your "the Civil War" analogy is a false analogy.
>Those southern states signed the USA constitution and agreed to join the USA
>and become part of USA. That's why it's called the Civil War.

Why the analogy is faulse? Taiwan did not sign that kind of document,
but Japan returned Taiwan to China, is this a fact, we lost Taiwan
and then got it back, you won't have difficulty to understand that
Taiwan is a part of China and we have the right to defend our country's
integrity of terrotery.

>Dear Mr. Yang,
>        Could you show me any signature of any Taiwanese representative
>        officially elected by Taiwanese on your illogical PRC's constitution?
>If not, please don't claim Taiwan as territory.

Mr. He, you have to distingush the two different concepts: country
and government. 
Not long ago, most country did not produce their officials by election,
can you say there is no such a thing called as country? As long as
there is such a thing called country, then came the problem of
teeritory.

>If you want to claim Taiwan as your territory, why don't you also claim
>Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Lao, ..., and United States and Russia as territory?

This seems to be something I should say, why don't we claim all those
countries but Taiwan? Think about it.

Mr. He's arguments are not rational.

Ze Yang
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