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From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: fire retardent sleepwear
Followup-To: flameretardent sleepwear 
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:28:23 GMT


In article 3208@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM, chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>Exactly why is it important that children's sleepwear be 
>flame retardant?  I just don't get it.  Is it that
>if there is a fire in your home at night and you have to 
>hold the child and run through the flames to safety, you'll
>be glad the sleepwear is flame retardant? (This can't be 
>right!)  Is it the protection, then, for when they are _not_
>sleeping?  Maybe for when they get up in the morning and 
>are hanging out by the stove while Dad frys bacon?  If this 
>is the case, then it would make more sense that non-sleepwear
>be flame retardant, as it is worn much more often when the
>child is exposed to potentially flammable situations.  I just
>don't get it. 

This is my response (I put int in the gruop too, as I 
seem to have trouble getting to individual email accounts

Hi Chris

The whole basis of this is actually that IF for some unfortunate 
reason) your child's clothing (sleepwear) catches on fire it will 
merely melt  and not burst into flames - this is suposed to protect 
the child from serious injury from clothing being on fire (mind you 
I can`t imagine it would be too pleasant to have my clothing melted 
onto me body either!!)

Personally I NEVER put my children (4YO boy Matthew and 16 mth girl 
Melanie) in these flame retardent stuff - They sweat like pigs!! 
get awful heat rashes and are miserable... so I always have them in
cotton - My hubby is a fireman too, so I have a high confidence 
level there!!

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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Christmas question
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:11:16 GMT

Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:

> I need some advice from the net.  My husband is very much opposed to the idea of 
>Santa Claus.  He wishes to raise our daughter to know the true meaning of
>Christmas.  I am not too overly thrilled with the idea, but I will go along with his wishes.
>My question is, HOW????  Everywhere you look there is Santa this and Santa that.
>To complicate matters, my Mother collects Santa stuff.  She has dozens of Santa books,
>toys, music boxes, and figurines.  My daughter is only 18 months so there
>really won't be any problem this year, but people are already asking her
>what Santa is bringing her.  My grandparents even ask.  How do you tell your
>kids that Santa is make-believe without having her be confused by adults who
>ask her Santa questions.  How do you keep them fronm thinking all her
>friend's Moms and Dads aren't liars, how do you keep her from spoiling
>for other kids whose parents want to have Santa??  Is she gonna grow up
>thinking her grandma is a looney old woman who believes in Santa???  Isn't
>parenting fun?

>Thanks in advance!!

Why don't you tell her about St. Nicholas?  Okay, this year is no big deal
because of her age, but the true story of St. Nicholas is good.  Additionally,
you could then *try* and explain how the tradition of Santa Claus has 
developed over the years.  There's nothing wrong with trying to explain where
Santa Claus came from and how adults like to still believe, although I'm pretty
sure it's going to be somewhat difficult for a few years.

Good Luck!

allen
From: laa@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (lu.ann.acerbi)
Subject: BARNEY FANS - PERSONAL APPEARANCE SCHEDULED
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:45:31 GMT
Keywords: Tiny Tots - Greenbrook, NJ

Just found out that BARNEY will be making a
personal appearance at Tiny Tots on Route 22
in Greenbrook on Saturday, November 21, from
10:00 AM to 2:00 PM.  For any other information,
the store number is 908-968-0440.
(There goes my Saturday morning !)
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: flower girl dress needed
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:44:50 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <BxvJty.6pr@plato.ds.boeing.com> simnet@ssc-bee.uucp (Aileen Hsu) writes:
>  My daughter has just been asked to be the flower girl in my sister-in-law's
>wedding.  I went out yesterday to look for a white dress for her to
>wear for the wedding, the only ones I found cost $70-$100.  I think
>this is too much for something she can only wear for a couple times
>during one season.  Then I remember a few months ago, I saw a little

Oh, gosh, this is way too much money. I don't know how old your daughter
is, but Angelica (3 years old TODAY!) has a closet full of very frilly/
lacy dresses, in every color of the rainbow. Many with underskirts and
flounces. I also don't know where you live, but we picked up these dresses
in the downtown L.A. garment district for $10-20 each. There's an 'alley'
where wholesalers sell stuff to retail customers, and you can also just go
up to a wholesale shop and ask if they'll sell retail and they usually will.
Do other cities have places like this, or is L.A. unique? The other thing
is that you mainly see little Latino girls (mainly Mexican) in these dresses
and around L.A., at least, any neighborhood with a concentration of Latinos
also has shops with this same kind of dress for a little higher than the
garment district shops.

We buy all her clothes in garment. Angelica has a whole wardrobe of 
disney-character T-shirts and shorts that were $3 each (plus a discount
for buying a bunch and another discount because I was able to speak to
the store proprietor in Farsi :-)) If we had to buy her clothes at REAL
stores we'd be dead broke!
 
Susan
From: kate_smith@next.com (Kate Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Caffiene and Kids
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:08:36 GMT

I just read a recent post which mentions that ADD kids are given  
stimulants and it triggered a memory of friends who let their young  
children (grade school) drink cola very close to bedtime.  Both of these  
seem like the opposite of what I would naturally do because caffiene makes  
me more wired.  If I have caffiene anytime after 3pm I have trouble  
sleeping!  But maybe kids react differently, or maybe these kids are used  
to it and are less affected. (or maybe I don't understand ADD)

We certainly are advised not to injest much during pregnancy, and  
lactation.  So it's clear what medicine thinks about it for very young  
people.  But does that change as they turn into young people.

Does anyone have any experience or scientific evidence about caffiene and  
kids?  
Please email and I'll summarize if there is enough interest.

Kate Smith
mom to Karen 7months
kate@NeXT.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: samuels@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Steve Samuels)
Subject: Lost Song Lyrics - Sesame Street "Captain Vegetable" song
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:34:15 GMT


With a child due in less than a month, I feel it critically important
tha I remember the words to the Sesame Street "Captain Vegetable" song.
To be more specific, this is the song that involves several child
puppets who only eat one thing ("My name is Eddie, I like spaghetti, and
I eat it, every day" and "My name is Andy, I like candy, etc."), at
which point Capt. Vegetable comes in and changes the kid's plate to
vegetables.  It's aclassic, but my wife and I can only remember the
above parts to the song.  Please help by emailing it to us:
samuels@psych.stanford.edu.  If there's interest, I'll post it once I
get it straight.

Steve
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Authoritarian Parents (as kids grow up)
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:44:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov17.224436.29823
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:

>>>4. Authoritarian parents get more confused and desperate as their children
>>>   get older and more independent, as their ability to control (or even
>>>   influence) their children declines.
>>>
Chris (and most of the netters), 

Consider yourself(s) lucky,

The 14 year old boy I'm a big brother to has grown up with a
step father that has told him "You will live in this family unit
if you like it or not", also told his mother with the boy
present, "They are not my kids".

-pete
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: asthma?
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:23:34 GMT

Carla Moussavi asked about symptoms that could be asthma (sorry I can't quote;
my system won't let me).

Yes, it certainly could be asthma, especially the wheezing.  My son has had
maybe-asthma since 2 1/2; they won't call it asthma unless it happens for 2
seasons, since this year it started with pneumonia!  Symptoms:  wheezing,
trouble catching breath, fast breathing rate.  Time breaths per minute - under
20 is normal, maybe higher with a fever, over 30 definitely a problem!  Worst
at night and in the morning IS characteristic of allergy induced asthma.
Asthma is pretty common in kids, although less so when they're really young,
and there is a hereditary link.

If I were you I'd talk to an allergist.  My son is very allergic, esp. to
dust, and this can trigger those symptoms.  He's on nasalcrom, a nose spray,
which has worked wonders (he used to scratch his nose til it bled), and is
supposed to have no side effects (and I am pretty informed and generally
skeptical about drugs).  The asthma drugs are not so benign, but they seem to
be necessary in our case.  We've counted breathing rates of 60/minute.  Pretty
alarming!  I'd bet your son is at least allergic to something.  Dust/mold
seems likely since he's worst after sleeping and dust lives in beds and
pillows etc!  Don't take your pediatrician's word for something that goes
against your instincts.  YOU know your child best.

Let me know what happens.  If your son does have allergies/asthma, we can
commiserate :-(.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: 7 mo old pulling hair
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.195455.14014@sq.sq.com>, barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes...
> 
>	Okay.  When you're done helping Donna....tell me how to stop
>	my 13 month old from butting everything and everyone with his
>	head!!!!  This just started about a week ago and it's driving
>	me crazy.  I'm very watchful now when I pick him up....he's
>	likely to suddenly bang his head into my breastbone...or face...
>	or nose....really exciting.  I've been basically saying "NO!"

  Well, I am not qualified to give advice on this one, but I can 
tell you what you have to look forward to. Thursday night I bent
over to pick up my 4 year old son to put him in the tub, and he
jumped up simultaneously - and bashed me in the chin so hard I
had to leave the room. I now have a big bruise on  the underside
of my chin. This is not the first time I have been bashed, but it
is the first time I have gotten bruised. 8-(
                            Patti Twigg
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say (parents)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:45:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     My mom related this to me:  We were getting ready to go to the doctor's
(or the dentist's, she forgets which), when I started throwing up, because
I had come down with the flu.  So, she had to get on the phone and utter
the immortal: "We'll have to cancel our doctor's appointment; my son is sick."

     Can't top the previous, but my stepdad's nephew always called his
pacifier a "yuccy" because once when he was about 18 months, he spit it
out of his mouth with saliva all over; his mom picked it up and showed
it to him, saying: "Look!  Eeew, yuccy!"
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
   "Thou shalt love God with all: relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
thy heart...*and thy neighbor as: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
thyself*." Deut. 6:5            : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
From: naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potty Training???
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:05:26 GMT
Distribution: na,world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

>>
>> I have a 23 month old daughter.  She knows what to do and where to go
>> potty.  When I ask her to show me where she needs to go when she has to go
>> potty, she leads me to her potty chair.  After she is wet then she will
>> say "potty".  Is she too young to potty train?  I need some ideas.
>>
>> Lisa Hamre
>>
>
> Lisa,
>
> According to our childrens doctor - any age younger than
> 2 and a half years old is to young.  Now people on this

That is not true. I know of several children who trained themselves at
2 years or even a little younger.  I wouldn't push it at this age, but
if the child wants it I'd go with the flow. (no pun intended).  My kids
trained at a 2 years and 8 months each, and it took about a month to train
each one.

Naomi
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:48:12 GMT


I had no episotomy with my first kid and don't expect one with my second. I
kegalled religiously while pregnant. I also went through about 20min.
begging
to push before either I or the OB nurse realized that I didn't have to take
a dump, but Zack had decided to head down the shoot. I did end up with 
2 stitches where his shoulders tore me. My mom was very upset that I had
been
"allowed to tear". I told her that a couple of stitches was better than
10 or 15. Besides, by the time I did tear, the doctor would have had to 
take one of Zack's ears off to get the scalpal in. I'd rather have the 2
stitches, thanks.
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Distribution: na
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:11:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.210038.20162@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth) writes:

>When my niece Heather (now 14) was born, she had lovely red hair.
>We're all lt. brown/blonde but red hair does run in my mom's family.
>(I personally would kill for hair her color)  Anyway, when people
>would look at my sister and her husband and ask where that hair 
>came from, Maria would reply "John travels on business a lot.  
>Sometimes he gets rusty."

My 3 1/2yo son has blonde hair, a fair complexion, and hazel eyes.
I'm of Japanese ancestry - both of my parents are Japanese (born in
California), and all of my grandparents were Japanese (born in Japan).
My husband is Caucasian (Welsh to Native American and almost everything
else in between).  I'm no biologist, but I thought that this was
impossible, since dark hair and dark eyes are dominant.  

- Cindy Windham
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947)
Subject: Re: ********
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:25:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.175250.16993@ttinews.tti.com> frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank) writes:
>
>I don't know if this is age appropriate behavior and is just something
>that will eventually pass or is it something else ?  I asked him if
>everything is okay with school etc but he says everything is fine.
>
>I know that it is okay to show anger and you shouldn't suppress it 
>but he has been flying off the handle for no reason.
>
>Help,  my husband and I are at a loss we are both people who try and
>"go with the flow" 
>
>-Lorraine Frank

Lorraine:

My son, also nine, is going through this same thing.  We contribute it to
the fact that maybe it's because he is at one of those in-between ages.
(In -between a teen and a child that is).  

One of the things that we have tried with Norman (and it works relatively well)
is to allow him some freedoms of his own.  For instance, we bought him an alarm
clock and he sets it to remind himself of things (like your 7:30 for example)
we don't remind him all the time of what he needs to do - like take a bath. 
(Hey, if he gets dirty, he knows it and does something about it).  We also
allow him a lot of time to do his things (he makes the schedule) that before
(younger) he wasn;t that interested in.  When he gets angry, we just ignore
it much of the time - usually its his way of blowing off steam anyway.  If
he says things that are particularly annoying though we will talk about it
(or try to) - one of the things he does is not want to talk anymore, he wants
to figure it out himself - all a part of the maturing process I should think.

Hope this helps!!!

Toni


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: bilingual kids
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:12:55 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <168A19202.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>, BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
|> I would like to get in contact with parents trying to raise their
|> children bilingual.  I am a native German, my spouse is an American
|> who does not speak German.  My daughter is 2, perfectly fluent in
|> English (as perfect as a 2 year old can be expected to be....) but
|> uses German words only occasionally.  Even though I'm sure she
|> understands everything I tell her in German.  That's not bad, but I'd
|> like or her to actually SPEAK the language.

I would LIKE to have my daughter speak my native Arabic, however
I am getting little success in doing so since my wife does not
speak the language and our main mode of communication at home is
English.  I visited my folks last summer when my daughter had just 
turned two, and while she was only there for a month she was able
to communicate with my parents and  her cousins and picked up a
number of words like the equivalents of "give me" and the all
too important "MINE", somehow she spotted that word right away ;-)
So I am afraid I a will not be of much help other than suggesting
you send your daughter back to your home for the summer where she
will be forced to use the language when she is there.
My cousins were half-germans, they went to a French school,
but still were able to pick-up german from their home environment
however, my uncle was fluent with german so in their house they were
exposed to quite a bit of communication between my uncle and
his german-born wife.
I have many relatives that are in the same predicament, one of my
cousins has succeded in getting his two year old to speak his native
Arabic, by only addressing his son in Arabic, and refusing to answer
any requests the child makes unless he says it in Arabic.  He tells
me that it has worked for him and now his child knows to talk to daddy
in one language and mommy in another.
I would welcome any other suggestions.

Basil
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: is 7 months old to young for too much tv?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:01:16 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Nov19.020550.25629@leela.cs.orst.edu> uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt) writes:
>I have noticed that my 7 month old daughter really likes to watch
>tv. Whenever I turn her away from it, she turns to watch it.  Is
>this a sign that I should keep in mind that it will be easy for her
>to just sit and watch it when she get older? or is it just the fact
>that the tv has lots of sounds and colors that are appealing to her?

That sure sounds like Laura as 7 months.  We hardly ever have the TV on --
an hour a week is typical.  When Laura was younger she was attracted to the
TV like a magnet.  We were telling everybody how we suddenly understood how
intoxicating TV was to children, if it has such effect on a 7 month old!

Now that Laura is 14 months, she seems to have very little interest in the
TV.  If we turn it on, she will run up to see what's happening, but it doen't
really hold her interest for more that a couple minutes.  She never could sit
still for any length of time.

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          <This space for rent.>
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbv@IMD.Sterling.COM (James B Vacanti)
Subject: Re: Preterm babies, and special needs.
Summary: Is there a news group for support? 
Keywords: Premie, PIH, special problems 
Organization: Sterling Software
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:21:37 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 7845f492bdd8b4ec87a9add36a4c1b2a

  I just joined a parent support group for parents of kids with any kind
of disability or special need (premature birth, birth defects, DOWNS, vision
or hearing loss, genetic defects, etc.), and was wondering if there is a
news group for these parents. I am fairly new to  this UNIX stuff and to
the usenet, and have poked around and found k12.ed.special and 
alt.education.disabled, but neither seeded to carry much traffic on this.
  
  We had a premature daughter in Jan 92 at 24 weeks gestational. Mom got
PIH (pregnancy induced hyper-tension, blood pressure hit 170/130) and we
could not get it under control. Rachael spent 5 months in the hospital,
had surgery for a perforated bowl, and 2 eye surgeries. She is doing
ok now and gets her 1st pair of glasses tomorrow! She is developing very
slowly (3-4 months behind where a term baby would be) but is still hitting
the milestones (has rolled over but hasn't come close to crawling).
  
  If anyone knows of an appropriate news group please let me know by e-mail.
I thought a world wide network support group would be kind of neat.
  
  Also, this group is looking for any reference material that can be used
to assist new parents. One book that we used that was very helpful is 
"The Premature Baby Book" (we have heard that an updated version was to be
published this or next year. It explains a lot of the problems that can
come with premature babies, case histories, medical advances, and dealing
with the emotions that go with all of this.

  Other material that would be useful is computer software for the visually 
impaired. This support groups wants to build a database so that it can
refer new parents to people who have been through a similar experience.
  
  Thanks.

  

-- 
Jim Vacanti   Grew up on IBM :-) mainframes, now I must learn UNIX(tm) :-(   
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