From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Answer to Mr John
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:23:18 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <BvBIJA.KFH.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>Or you may continue to listen to the lies and fantasies of
>Anisa (I've mercifully dropped the Mr/Ms/Mrs) who hypocritically
>advocates the principles of self-preservation on her own people's 
>behalf but refuses to do for any others if she finds it politically
>inconvenient.

Ah ... lies he says - from the mouth of one who supports the crimes,
greed, corruption, and biggest liars in the Middle East.
 
>If you say it enough without reasons maybe you'd get someone to
>believe it.  If only it applied to something being discussed
>in this instance.  Ah, does this have something to do with 
>counting the Emir's wives?  

This has nothing to do with that slimey crook.  Since you asked
for some sort of proof - here it is - mind you, only *one*
article out of many - which was originally posted in soc.culture.
arabic:

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bandr Bin Sultan is Missing
Date: 25 Sep 92 03:26:00 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep24.075729.15034@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>In article <3854@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>>
>>You mean like throwing lavish parties at his mansion in Aspen ... or
>>posing with American soldiers who fought in the Gulf and their brides,
>>while the bride was giving him a nice kiss on the cheek (was it for
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Wallahi, ya akhti?  I would LOVE to see that.  I would love to show some
>avid supporters of the "Most Islamic Ruler from the Most Islamic Country"
>that picture....of course I would caption it with my own headline:

Wollahi, wollahi, wollahi my sister.  Yes, it's true (you're doubting
my word now??!!  :_).  I would LOVE for you to see it!  It is from
December 9, 1991 in Newsweek.  Check out the bits and pieces that was
written in the article, as follows:

	"Since arriving in Washington in 1983, Bandar has been a
	walking cultural contradiction.  He's partial to Cuban
	cigars and Chivas Scotch, and has shared both with Bush
	in the White House family quarters.  But Bandar never
	smokes or drinks in front of Fahd.  ( <-- The reformed
	alcoholic himself!!)  He trades gossip and dirty jokes
	with Baker, whom he calls 'Jim'.  But he prays five
	times a day during the Muslim holy season of Ramadan, (!!),
	and calls his uncle 'My Lord'.  (!!!)  Clad in Savile Row
	bespoke, he works Capitol Hill with the cockiness and
	directness of the former fighter pilot he is.

(My comments in parenthesis ;-)

	"But in Saudi Arabia, he wears flowing robes and speaks in
	the labyrinthine syntax of the Arab Middle East.  Bush,
	Baker, and Fahd are all depending on the contradictions in
	this Saudi prince's persona to help them over the rough
	spots in their new relationship.  After finally admitting
	publicly its need for American protection in the gulf war,
	Saudi Arabia now seems willing to put its financial and
	political muscle to work for American interests (yes, folks,
	its true) in the Arab world.  It's a new partnership ripe
	for misunderstanding - and the Mideast peace process is its
	first big test.

	"Reaching out:  Bandar has never been shy about wooing his
	friends or his enemies.  From the start, he fired the
	embassy's high-priced lobbyists and began working the
	decidedly pro-Israel U.S. Congress himself.  He kept U.S.
	arms sales flowing to Saudi Arabia.  He also embraced the
	best of American life that Saudi oil money could buy,
	building a 55,000-square-foot mansion in Aspen.  By the
	late 1980s, this Washington operator was even reaching out
	to American Jewish leaders to try to convince them that
	Saudi Arabia was no enemy to Israel.  After one marathon
	session with the loquacious Bandar, Rabbi Marvin Hier of the
	Simon Wiesenthal Center told him, 'Your Highness, I've never
	known a man who could meet with three rabbis and dominate
	the conversation.  My congratulations.'

	...  "White House and State Department officials credit
	Bandar with helping Bush and Fahd find common cause quickly
	against Iraq.  It was a turning point for Saudi Arabia,
	which had always paid homage to 'Arab solidarity'.  ... He
	lobbied Jewish leaders and Israel's friends on Capitol Hill
	to support the war.  As a lure, he made promises about Saudi
	Arabia's plans to advance peace with Israel once Saddam was
	defeated.  'Bandar predicted there would be a peace conference',
	says Henry Siegman, director of the American Jewish Congress,
	'and that Syria and Saudi Arabia would negotiate directly with
	Israel'.

	"After breaking the logiam with the Saudis, Bandar helped
	coax the Palestinians and Syrians at several crucial points
	on the way to Madrid.  At the conference itself, Bandar
	leaned on the Syrians to go ahead with the second act in Baker's
	script, separate face-to-face talks with Israel.  Afterward he
	met with American Jewish leaders in New York to urge them to
	press Israel to be more flexible, then flew back to Saudi Arabia
	to work with Fahd last week on getting the Arabs to resume the
	bilateral talks in Washington.  Baker is counting on Bandar
	and Fahd to maintain pressure - and incentives - to encourage the
	Arab players to be forthcoming in the talks ahead.

	...  "But given his high profile, he, too, could see his wings
	clipped one day if he got too far out in front of Fahd.  Meanwhile,
	Prince Bandar is helping transform Saudi foreign policy - and maybe
	the future of the Middle East."

	End of article


Now, aren't you a little less surprised?

Maybe his little cheek-pecking incident looks only harmless, given
his other tirades ...

Wa aleikum salam ya Akhti Azizati ... :-).

Anisa