HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

In article / rec.skydiving / rand@skydiver.Eng.Sun.COM (Visualize Whirled Peas) /  4:54 pm  Aug 10, 1992 /

>Yea.....sorry I didn't meet you guys....I guess Art was just not being
>socially responsible....thanks pal :)

Mea culpa...I didn't catch up to Charolyn and Tim until Saturday
and I had no idea where you were!

>We can excuse Art's sketchy report of this incident because I think he was on
>that load!

Yup, I was on the load but I didn't even know that there was a problem
until I saw the trucks racing across the landing area.  I was shooting 
video so I dumped as soon as the load broke.  All I could see on my
footage was Dav3e and Grog tracking off parallel to each other.
I've since talked to a number of people and the accounts posted here 
match up.  I talked to Dav3e last Friday (8/7) and he's doing pretty well.
As far as I can remember he has compound fractures of both bones in his 
lower right leg (a rod has been inserted in one of them), he broke his 
pelvis, shoulder blade, 3 ribs, and bruised his lungs.  He's in pretty 
good spirits but in quite a bit of pain.  He should be released from the 
hospital within the next few days.

Joyce Wood, the woman who was injured on Wednesday (7/29) was transfered
to Swedish hospital in Seattle last week.  She underwent a second surgery, 
this time on her hips.  The left one had a clean break but the right side
was apparently "shattered."  She came out of the surgery OK and the drugs
are minimizing her pain.  She also broke some ribs and they are causing
her the most amount of discomfort.  They should be letting her 
out of ICU soon and then they'll transfer her up to a hospital in Everett, 
closer to her home.  

Washington jumpers didn't fair to well at LP.  Other than Joyce and Dav3e,
I know of one who bonked his head getting out of the DC-3 (mild concussion)
and another jumper who has a compression fracture of a vertebra caused 
by a hard reserve opening.

LP was definitely the place for partying.  Skydives seemed to be of only
moderate success - regardless of size.  Being a "sun wimp" it was far
too hot for me and if I do go back, I'll plan to jump until 1 or 2,
go swimming until 5, and then catch a load or two in the evening.  I'd also
plan some extra time to check out Glacier Park, Flathead Lake, and other 
local sites.

LP was definitely an experience!

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402

PS.  I have a copy of the Crack Choir songs, I'll post one in a couple of
days.
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: nironen@ntc02.tele.nokia.fi (Pasi Nironen , OH2BKX)
Subject: Jumping from jets?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:31:27 GMT

Hello!

How one can jump from 737? There is backdoor and stairs has been taken 
away or what?

Has anyone jumped from DC 9 or MD 80 -series airplanes?

Please anyone who have jumped from jets mail me a brief info how
this jump was made.

Thanks
		Pasi
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

        "Don't panic,skydiving makes a lot of sense"
(Helsinki Institute of Technology PASI@FINHIT.HIT.FI)
NOKIA TELECOMMUNICATIONS         NIRONEN@NTC02.TELE.NOKIA.FI
From: ks@acn.purdue.edu.hermes (Kirk Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: More news from Quincy
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:34:24 GMT
Reply-To: ks@acn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University

More info on the Jet.  The first load Tuesday night flew with 100 jumpers.  Jerry
Bird gave an exit,exit,exit before the cut (205 MPH) and the sound of each jumper exiting was incredible.  It was kind of like "foomp".  As you can imagine, this got
the anticipation up.  The second pass was more normal (only 155 MPH).

I also jumped on the first load Wednesday morning.  Both times I landed more than
a mile from the main road.  They were supposed to be spotting for the road.  But,
both times, I got instant rides back.  I got some good video and pictures of the
plane by pivoting 180 degrees on the last step just before exiting.  It was real
easy to keep the plane centered on the video.  Both loads I did involved filming
3 way RW.

They flew 3 loads on Wednesday with as many as 190 jumpers on each load.  They said
they did a total of 651 jumps from the Jet.  The weather turned bad, and load 4
was put on a weather hold, and load 5 was filling.

On the FAA...  I talked to Don Kirlin.  I think I got most of the details
correct here.  Basically, there is very little precedent in this area and it is
difficult to get all the approvals.  The local FSDO was very
helpful and set up a scheme to operate the Jet under part 91 (general aviation).
The Jet was based in Texas and ran cargo operations normally under part 121.
So, as you can imagine, it was a paperwork nightmare.  The Texas FSDO found out
that jumps were happening and tried to get it shut down starting Wednesday morning.
The local FSDO eventually shut them down Wednesday evening.  In short, it was an
internal FAA power struggle that caused the problems.  The local FSDO has aparently
offered to help get all the paperwork necessary to make the jet fly next year (under
part 125, I think).  The seatbelts weren't a problem.  The lack of emergency exits were
a concern, but not a problem.  The installation of the plywood in the door was
done according to Boeing specs, but may not have had all the FAA paperwork.  There
were little problems, but nothing that couldn't have been resolved.
Don also asked that people don't flame the FAA for the action of a single person
in the Texas office.  He wants to work with the FAA to make things happen next year.

					Kirk Smith
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Grave landing
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:10:16 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za

 f> by the incident. It's a whole lot better than slipping in the bath and 
 f> breaking a leg, and makes excellent dinner conversation.

 f> Have there been any other incidents similar to this? Are there any other 
 f> good bad-landing stories to add to my dinner conversation repetoire? Could 
 f> there be any deep spiritual repercussions resulting from 
 f> falling out of the 
 f> sky onto a dead man's resting place?

I don't know, but I have noticed that almost all DZs are located near both a graveyard and a set of railroad tracks.


--- Maximus 2.01wb
--- eecp 1.45 LM2 

 * Origin: <X> Infinity Ltd.  HST/DS (1:102/853)
--  
SKYDIVE - via FidoNet node 1:233/13
internet: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG
-- Check Source BBS, (217) 244-6954, HST, V.32, V.42bis ---
From: Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: PLEASE answer these SIMPLE ?'s!!!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:15:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Aug20.021550.12611
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

1]Whats kind of price range can I expect to pay for a 1st
  time jump (and subsequent ones)?

2] How high does one normally go on the 1st jump?

3] Know any places in Central NY?


ANY info is GREATLY appreciated

Thanks, Sidd

-=-=-

Reply via email:
ssoni@csnext.colgate.edu


--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:37:08 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: mark@virtech.uucp

 m> : There are other differences, too.  Not the least of which is the fact
 m> : that the twin bo has two piston powered engines whereas the King Air
 m> : has turbine powered engines.

 m> I'm showing my ignorance here.  I know they're different, but what's
 m> the difference between turbine-power and super-charger.  I was told
 m> that the twin-bo had a super-charger.

A turbine is has nothing to do with turbO-charging.  A turbo charger is an add on device for piston engines to pressurize the air they are getting.  A turbINE engine is a jet engine which produces power to a shaft instead of thrust.  A big difference.

Bill Caefer
LA, CA


--- Maximus 2.00
--- eecp 1.45 LM2 

 * Origin: <X> Infinity Ltd.  HST/DS (1:102/853)
--  
SKYDIVE - via FidoNet node 1:233/13
internet: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG
-- Check Source BBS, (217) 244-6954, HST, V.32, V.42bis ---
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: swerthei@oracle.com (Steve Wertheimer)
Subject: Is there a mail gateway to rec.skydiving?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:18:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Is there a mail gateway to/from rec.skydiving?  If so, please email me.  I'm
asking this for someone who can't get rec.* newsgroups.
--
Steve Wertheimer
swerthei@us.oracle.com
Xref: sparky rec.travel:12045 rec.food.restaurants:1812 rec.food.veg:7938 soc.culture.african:4247 soc.culture.british:11693
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.food.restaurants,rec.food.veg,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.british
Subject: African food in London
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:50:12 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mshulman@emc.com (Mike Shulman) wrote in rec.travel:
> Hello again everyone! I just posted a question on inexpensive lodging in
> London, and I forgot to ask for restaurant recommendations.
> I am not necessarily looking for super-cheap places, but for moderately
> priced ones with very good food and atmosphere.

Plug for a place I've eaten in the last couple of times I've been down
there: the Calabash Restaurant in the basement of the Africa Centre at
Covent Garden (one block west of the main square, I forget the exact
address).  They do a wide range of African foods, including lots of
vegetarian options (these are the only ones I've tried), at a reasonable
price and with fast and friendly service.  They usually have African beers
or wines to go with it.  Their cooks come from different parts of Africa,
so exactly what they have will depend on who's on duty at the time.

I wish they'd do a cookbook; unlike most most restaurants that have done
this, there's no easily accessible printed source for anything like what
they make.  There seem to be very few African cookbooks at all.

[ followups back to rec.travel, but I thought
  this was relevant to the other groups ]



-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: Africa Info Wanted
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:30:41 GMT

kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:

>>	
>One possibility (which I did) is to look for non-professional safaris.  There
>are at times various people who run their own safaris.  The one I went with was
>a British couple who took a group out every week in  their landrover.  Since
>all you need to go on safari or to organize one, is transportation, a tent, and
>food, as well as some knowledge of where to go, this is a good method.  

This sounds like fun -- and the Thorntree Bar at the New Stanley Hotel is
a goldmine of information, interesting people -- and a great place to
make connections of all kinds.  They have a bulletin board specially
for this right in the middle!
>
Another possibility is to go on your own.  There are always people looking for
>someone to go with (again, check at the Thorntree).  Rent a car, and share
>expenses.  Often the rental places will have tents and other equipment
>available.  Of course, going with a professional group is easier and less
>hassle, but several times as expensive, and not necessarily more fun.

Based on what I've heard from Kenya lately, it is not advisable to go it
alone -- there have been attacks on foreign tourists, and they
are recommending that people travel with supervised groups.  I also found
this more interesting because the guides knew so much that I would have
missed -- and knew how to track the animals.  Certainly if it is your
first time, I wouldn't recommend this; the expertise the native/
experienced guides and trackers provide is invaluable.  Also, it's
nice to have food cooked FOR you -- and to sample local cuisine.
I didn't find the tours expensive at all.  My four-day camping safari
including everything except sleeping bag cost $100 US.  I think the
sleeping bag was an extra $5.  This was to Masaai Mara.  Definitely a
deal and, personally, I like to support the local economy.  (I booked
all my trips in Kenya after I got there.)

Anyway, just some of my thoughts on this.

Anne
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:33:46 -0400 
From: John Ambroziak <ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: California fires??

Could anyone give tell me something about the location and extent of the
fires which I've heard are burning "in the foothills of the Sierra
Nevada" mountains.  I'm heading for Yosemite and Kings Canyon next week
and would like to know how camping in the vicinity of these two parks
may be affected.  

Thanks, John
From: rbell@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Roger Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: CIRRUS ATM DEBIT CARD WITH MASTERCARD - France
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: rbell@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Roger Bell)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

I've read most of the ongoing discussion about using ATMs in Europe.  My question is a variation of this.  My ATM is a Cirrus card, but it is also a debit card with a MasterCard emblem on the card.  I had planned on using this in France.  I thought if I couldn't use it to draw cash from my checking account, I could use the MC aspect of the card to get a cash advances.  My bank told me that both types of transactions would be treated as a debit on my checking account, so I would not have to pay cash advance











 charges (as long as I don't overdraw my account).

I'm going to be using travelers' checks in Netherlands and Belgium since Cirrus is not recognized there.  But I was not taking enough checks for France and planned on using my ATM there.

Does anyone see problems with my plan.  Please reply before 8/21.  Thanks.
Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3
Date: Sunday, 23 Aug 1992 02:42:49 EST
From: <NTUS213@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Olympic Nat'l Park information wanted!

    My husband and I will visit Mt. Rainier and Olympic Nat'l Park
this September as a part of our Honeymoon.(The other places we will
visit are Yellowstone and Hawaii.)  We are planning to visit Mt. Rainier
on Sep 24 and drive along US 101 from Olympia, WA toward west to Port
Angeles, then go back to Seattle on Sep 26.  Because it is very difficult
to get informations about miliage and accommadation of this area, any
informations will be very precious and helpful.  Thanks in advanced.

Elizabeth Pan
Ntus213@twnmoe10.bitnet
From: smezias@option.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Recommend a garment bag?
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:14:29 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <92220.160411U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> U48073@uicvm.uic.edu
(Cole Kendall) writes: 

Lands' End, 800-555-1212 information has their number, has phenomenal
luggage at very good prices.  

SJM

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: SF accommodations < $100
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:33:39 GMT

cjs01@cd.amdahl.com (Chris Somers) wrote: 
->   Can anyone recommend places in San Francisco that are a bit less (but 
->not sleazy =) ).  I've only been in the Bay Area a couple months, so I 
->don't know too much more than they do.

call your travel agent; tell him/her you have friends coming in from
out of town and want to put them up at $70-90/night or so.  there are a
few motels in the marina, and quite a few {h,m}otels south of market
(sometimes they're not even one block south of market) which offer
rates as low as $60/night.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: U30644@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: CHICAGO
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:32:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Aug18.030729.607@informix.com>, suffron@informix.com (Nancy
Suffron) says:
>
>>You also need to try some pizza while in Chicago.  My favorite is
>>Pizzaria Uno, but then again, I'm not a native.
>
>I'm not native, but was told by a native that I should not miss
>Giordano's Pizza.  I didn't and neither should you.  To die for!
>
As a born and bred native Chicagoan, I recommend Nancy's pizza on north
Broadway.  You want true Chicago style (stuffed) pizza?  This is the
place.  Guaranteed, or your hunger back!!!

Joel
Newsgroups: rec.travel,su.market,ba.market.misc
From: stevel@mojave.Stanford.EDU ()
Subject: Place to stay in Tahoe
Originator: stevel@mojave.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 05:47:23 GMT


Hello.  I'm looking for recommendations for a place to stay for a night or
two on Lake Tahoe, preferably on the North Shore unless there is
a great place on the South Shore.  I'm looking for a nice, romantic, but 
not over-expensive (upper limit $90-100) place.  Please reply by e-mail to 
stevel@mojave.stanford.edu.  Thanks.


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: hsbrown@arnold.Princeton.EDU (Scott Brown)
Subject: Inexpensive Australian Hotel deals:  Flag vs Encore
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:58:22 GMT

I have a trip planned to Figi, New Zeland and Australia
(Sydney and Cairns)
and am looking for information about how to stay there
cheaply.  The travel agent gave me some information about
a group of hotels that participate in a program where
the traveler buys vouchers before the vacation and then
redeems them at the hotels for a night's stay.  The program
is run by an organization called Flag and they claim that
this is a cheap way to stay in Australia.  Does anybody
have experience with this program?  If you do, please let
me know your feelings.  It sounds like a pain
because of the vouchers but if the big savings are true, then
it might be worth the hastle.

How about the Encore hotel club.  This is a membership card
you can buy that gives 50% off hotel rates.  Is this really
a good deal or are the restrictions so heavy that it is difficult
to use the card.

If anybody has any wisdom on how to stay cheaply in Australia,
New Zeland, or Figi, please share your experiences and opinions
with me.

Thanks,
	Scott Brown
        hsbrown@arnold.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ken@unixg.ubc.ca (Kenneth White)
Subject: Re: Antarctica
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:34:06 GMT

Actually, the plane of tourists going to Antarctica that crashed
was heading either to or from the cruise ship.
You can go by plane with the Chileans to King George Island and
via Antarctic Airways but I recommend the cruise ship.
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheapest way from London to Paris
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:34:06 GMT
	<1992Aug07.165011.20878@news.mentorg.com>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Aug07.165011.20878@news.mentorg.com> philip@simserver1com (Philip Peake) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.042735.21738@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, mjl8s@astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU (Mark Joseph Lesko) writes:
>|> 
>|> I have 3 simple questions:
>|> 
>|> 1.  What is the cheapest way from Heathrow to Paris?
>|> 2.  What is the fastest way from Heathrow to Paris (other than airplane)?
>|> 3.  What is the easiest way from Heathrow to Paris?

I bought my ticket from Council Travel and for a $50 difference I
bought a ticket from Boston->Paris with a free 5-day stopover in
London. Worked out great!

--
System Administrator                  Internet: betsys@cs.umb.edu
MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               BITNET:ESCHWARTZ%UMBSKY.DNET@NS.UMB.EDU
100 Morrissy Blvd                     Staccato signals
Boston, MA 02125-3393                      of constant information....
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: curlandm@prism.cs.orst.edu (Matt Curland)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Fort Myers/Naples Florida-moving there
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:22:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept

Any info anyone can give me about these two cities would be greatly
appreciated. I'm considering moving to one of them. I would be opening
a VCR repair shop, so I'm interested in what's already there, and if
there is a need. Anything you'd like to offer regarding living conditions,
economy of the areas, etc. would be appreciated.

If you know of a better newsgroup to read regarding this type of info,
please let me know.

Also, my wife is Honduran and doesn't speak any English yet. Is there a 
large spanish-speaking population in these areas?

Thanks in advance,
Matt

Matt Curland. .  .   .    .      .          curlandm@prism.cs.orst.edu
______________________________________________________________________
Habit is the nursery of errors.
-Victor Hugo
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Utah question
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:29:50 GMT


Hi. I tried posting this once, but it doesn't seem to have
worked, so I'm doing it again.  Sorry if this is a duplicate.

We plan on skiing in Utah this winter.  I've never been
there, so have never had to worry about renting a condo there
before.  I called several condo rental places and found two
that had what we were looking for (the third company is
sending some brochures so I'm not sure if they have what we
want).  I was wondering if anyone on the net had any 
experiences (good or bad) with either of these companies:

	 Utah Ski Retreats 
	 Utah Snow Adventures
	 Accent Ski Accommodations

Please email any responses as news doesn't seem to be updating
properly, and I'd hate to miss anyone's post.


thanks in advance,
jan



********************************************************************
TTFN,    ___           *   jpenovic@encore.com
      / /   /  /\   /  *   jpenovic@gould.UUCP
     / /___/  /  \ /   *   {allegra,ucf-cs}!uflorida!gould!jpenovich
/___/ /   /  /    /    *   {uunet,sun,pur-ee}!gould!jpenovich
                       *   Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale, FL
*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: john@earljb11.ingr.COM (John H. Earl)
Subject: Travel Bag
Reply-To: john@earlj.b11.ingr.COM
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:59:21 GMT

Well, I leave for my European vacation in six weeks and I still can't
decide what's best to carry my stuff in.  I'll be Eurailing so I plan to
travel light.  I've looked at the suitcase/packs like Rick Steves
recommends and, of course, I've looked at internal-frame packs.  The
suitcase/pack Rick Steves sells is 2,500 cubic inches so I would want a
pack about the same size.  Anyone out there have personal experience with
both?  Can you think of any drawbacks or advantages of one over the other?
I'm open for suggestions!

Thanks in advance.

-- 
            ****************************************************
            *    Intergraph        |       John H. Earl        *
            * Systems Product      |      (205) 730-6536       *
            *    Marketing         |  john@earlj.b11.ingr.COM  *
	    *  Huntsville, AL      |     Mail Stop: CR1102     *
            ****************************************************

Newsgroups: rec.travel