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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Expecting Father Books?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:33:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization

In article <26977@ursa.UUCP> millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman) writes:
>My wife just entered her 2nd Trimester and I was woundering if there are 
>any books about fatherhood.  There seems to be a lot of books for mother
>but none for fathers.  
> ...

Cosby, Bill:  _Fatherhood_

???: _What to Expect the First Year_

Read the rest of your wife's books, including the parts about breastfeeding, if
she is planning to breastfeed.  If fact, don't skip anything.  You guys (Mom,
Dad, and Baby) are in this together!

Virtually everything that the mom does the father can do too (breastfeeding
excepted!).  You need to know and understand everything that your wife
does, if for no other reason to stand by to give your support and
understanding when things get rough.  This is particularly true for
breastfeeding, but also applies elsewhere.

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.
    D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
From: carol@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (alan.galinsky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Premature babies
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:40:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Our son Matthew, born three weeks ago, was seven weeks premature.
He weighed 5lbs at birth, and after two weeks in the
hospital was discharged with a clean bill of health.

Can anyone share experiences with comparably premature babies?

I am particularly curious about:

-> How fast did they gain weight?  How long did it take to
   "catch up" weightwise?

-> Matthew sleeps most of the time.  Not just sleeps, he SLEEPS,
   so soundly that we can't wake him up.  Of course he wakes up
   every hour on the hour for food.  Is this sleep pattern to be
   expected?  How long does it last?

-> Do premature babies eventually fully catch up in all respects?
   Weight, size, ... ie, is it just a matter of time or is their
   physical development limited in any way?

-> Anything else that pertains the development or behavior of
   premature babies.

Thanks,

Al Galinsky
From: mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Baby Question
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:15:34 GMT
Organization: UB


	Hi...

		I was just wondering... when one is feeding solid food to a 
	baby, how do you know when to stop?  When the baby refuses to take
	another bite?  Or is there a set amount of food they should eat, and
	you just give them that much?  What about different varieties of food?
	For example, if a baby is eating strained peas, and refuses the next
	spoonful- does that mean he/she is full - or just through with that 
	dish?  Maybe the he/she would eat further if you switched to a 
	different dish, such as applesauce?

		In other words, how do you know when to stop?

				Thanks!
	
					Marie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Anti-cavity treatment for kids
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:00:33 GMT


Has anyone had their kids teeth treated/coated to prevent cavities?
If so, is there a minimum age?  Is it a one time treatment?  Were
there any problems?  

Thanx in advance for any info.
From: mrz50957@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SEQUENT V2.0)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Conformity and br haog 'picked on' (was Re: Swearing)
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:43:04 GMT

Sfnderw usenet@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Newsa
Organization: Ueiversity of I-linois at Urbana

elg@usl.edu (Eric Green) writes:

>I remember transferring into a new school as a senior in high school.
>By far the mAjority of  tes were more interested in finding out
>anges,g this strange new addition to their classroom than they were
>anout findiog ways to tease this kid.

And even better than moving to a new high school is going to college, where
no one knows who you are.  Sort of a new beginnining.  I myself found myself
stuck in a carts.sin socila position in Junior High, and moving to high
schoolhelped remove part of that, but those who had known me before hand
still thought of me as the same type of person.  Senioriclebest, brcause by then, everyone began to see who I was.  Not many peoplp had
taken the time to find out.

Then collge...a chance to start over, and  ere no one has any preconcived
ideas or  nyone telling them about 45.4 It's grea  tes  
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From: van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:05:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <65290@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
> gazit@antigone.usc.edu (Salit) writes:
> >
> >However, the trend postponing all kids by a year worries me. At this rate
> >my son (birthday mid-July) will end up being the youngest in his class when
> >kindergarden time comes...
> >
> >Salit
> went to nursery school.  She said Young Fives, which is a local program
> for kids who are waiting out a year.  So I figured he had a late fall
> birthday.  Wrong -- he had turned five in May!  This kid will be six-and-
> a-half when he starts kindergarten -- at the same time my kid starts
> at four!  Hopefully not in the same class....
> 
> I talked about this with the teachers at the school Alan will go to.  They
> said it is a big problem.  But they said they try to aim things at the kids
> who kindergarten is meant for -- the five-year-olds.  I figure Alan
> can hold his own with five-year-olds (he's the youngest in his nursery
> school, and does fine) it's the six-year-olds I'm worried about.
> 
> Oh well, just my two gripes' worth.
> 
> 		--  maggie
> -- 
> 				--scott douglass
> Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
> domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
> CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
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From: jwhite@oasys.dt.navy.mil (White)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:38:53 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC Code 2723 
	      (formerly David Taylor Research Center, Annapolis MD)

In article <92105.184716ST02400@auvm.american.edu> ST02400@auvm.american.edu (Carl Reimann) writes:
>I enjoyed your summary of the key arguments on both sides of the issue
>of making contraceptives available to teenagers. I shall brief you on
>a related, currently-breaking topic in Wisconsin. Some years ago, the
>White House decided that states should be more inventive in their poli
>cies regarding welfare systems, which vary from state to state. Wisconsin


To this controversy, I have a simple response.

12 days ago, my wife and I had a baby girl.  Did I get or expect to
get a raise in salary, because of this?  NO!

Joe White
Father of: Joshua Douglas (3 years, 11+ months, born 4/25/88) and
	   Hillary Shannon (12 days, born 4/3/92, but was due 3/17/92)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jimm@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.mumper)
Subject: Re: labor--stripping of membranes
Organization: AT&
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:55:01 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids

In article <11037@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@shrike.mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>A lot of OBs do something called "stripping the membranes," which 
>involves sticking their finger into the cervix and doing something 
>unpleasant to the amniotic membrane there. (Hmm, I don't sound very 
>objective here, do I?) This is distinct from rupturing the membrane, 
>and it's supposed to help start labor "naturally." 
>
>People who are into natural childbirth are against the idea of this, 
>however.
>
>Anybody know why?
>
>Paula Burch
>pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

Paula,

Stripping the membranes supposedly allows the baby to move lower in the birth
canal and help to soften and efface the cervix.  Those of us into natural
childbirth (and please never use that phrase unless you're ready to be 
condemned to hell by many netters 8^) ) are against it because it is NOT
natural and can cause the membranes to rupture.  Serious, negative effects
can follow.

Jim Mumperw
From: statar@cbnewse.cb.att.com (sherry.l.tatar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: FORMULA ===> WHOLE MILK
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:41:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr07.181221.18990@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, by maw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELE A. WHITE):
> 
> 
> What is the best age to switch from formula to whole milk?  Drug companies say
> one year, some of the books I have read say 6 months.  The doctor says formula
> provides the iron babies need for the first year and that it will prevent
> anemia, but I should do what I feel comfortable doing...
> 
> My son is 7 months old and weighs about 19 lbs/26".  He eats cereal and 1/2 jar of
> of fruit for breakfast, 1 jar of dinner and 1/2 jar of fruit for lunch and 1 jar
> of dinner, 1/2 veg and 1/2 fruit for supper.  He is drinking about 24-28
> ounces of formula a day.  Is it safe to start switching him now?  Should I mix
> half formula and half milk before going to all milk?  Is the amount of food he
> is eating normal for a baby this size?
> 

On the doctor's advice we switched Jessica from formula to whole
milk gradually, starting at 8.5 months, fully switched by 9 months.
I started with very small amounts of milk in the formula and
gradually increased it.  Most of the reason for this was to get
her accustomed to the taste.  

Sounds like plenty of food to me.  Jessica wasn't much of an eater at
that age so I don't have much to compare.  It also sounds like he is
gaining weight fine, so I wouldn't worry about how much he eats.

Sherry
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From: jmjoy@mesa.cs.psu.edu (John M. Joy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:47:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.x5aH#car6
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <14APR199222054665@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>
 (some_nameless_user)@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (S8486534) writes:
>X writes, y writes....
>
>       The discussion of condoms in schools belongs on Oprah Winfrey, not
>in a forum devoted to education.  When are you people going to grow up!

Uh, excuse me?  Since when is sex education not appropriate in a forum
devoted to education?  Is education only devoted to education in the "hard"
subjects (i.e. readin' ritin' & 'rithmatic)?  This policy would, then,
also cause physical education, technological literacy education, ...
to be considered inappropriate.

As it is, the author may wish to consider that the attributed message
was sent, not only to misc.education, but to misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,
and alt.parents-teens (as is THIS message, although followups are
redirected to a more appropriate venue 8^)).

JMJ

P.S.  Yeah, this is kind of flamey, and a pretty useless consumption of
net.bandwidth.  My apologies to the Usenet community.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:26:36 GMT

>>>In case anyone is wondering, I would love to stay at home with Jeffrey. It
>>>just isnt possible. I am lucky, my mother takes care of him while I work,
>>>and is full of love and patience.
>
>>Yes, you ARE lucky.  You are choosing to have a family member care for your
>>child.  This is the equivalent of having a parent care for the child.  Your
>>mother shares your values, your ethics, and is not going to disappear.
>
>My wife holds the same values, same ethics I do, and is not going to
>disappear. I can't speak for anybody else's criteria for marriage, but
>we don't hold the same values because we've been married for 12 years.
>We've been married for 12 years because we (always) held the same values!
>
>We CHOSE each other, to spend an entire lifetime together. Tell me why
>it's catagorically impossible for me to choose a baby sitter with the
>same care.

Yes.  I can't help thinking that there is a certain amount of arrogance
(normal human nature, I'm not criticizing) which makes parents believe they
are exclusively qualified for the job.  Heh.  I go to PTA meetings, I see
some real hackers :-) :-)

An opinion has been forming in my head as I've read the various daycare/
stay-at-home threads.  I'm starting to think that the children of the various
participants, regardless of which situation that they are in, are probably
better off than those with parents who _don't_ struggle with and/or feel
strongly about this issue.  All of the parents, on both sides of the
discussion, have obviously weighed the decision (and probably continue to 
do so as they read on).  I think that it's the children with parents who
care less that are probably more in danger.

Ken
From: mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison)
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:52:14 GMT

In article <kujv2hINN2ag@alhena.usc.edu> ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison) writes:
>
>>>       i)  The Catholic religion does not allow sex before marriage
>>>  and believe their children should not be exposed to this.
>
>We left the dark ages, threw off the yoke of religion, have come to
>the end of what is probably the greatest century in human history,
>we've built great computers, and built an Internet... all for this?
>
>        -ans.
>-- 
>
>Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu

Please don't misquote me.  I did not write that part, it came from
Christoher Wrigley.  My comments came later.

Marissa

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.)
Subject: introducing the bottle
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:10:00 GMT

Hi you all !

I have a question:  our most beautiful 2 mo daughter absolutely refuses to
drink from the bottle.  My wife expresses milk for her, so that I can parti-
cipate in the feeding process (which gives her a chance to go exercising, for
instance), but Emily usually ends up screaming her lungs out.  She had no
problems during the first two or three weeks of her life, but after we stopped
for a few weeks (we weren't sure whether she was getting 'nipple confusion')
she is not happy with the plastic nipple.  We have tried a number of different
nipples, varied the time of day for bottle feeding (as well as kept it constant
for a while), the degree of her hunger, etc., all with the same result.  Very
rarely does she take from the bottle and when she does she's quite proficient
(as she is on the breast), but most of the time it's primarily frustration on
her part (and I just can't let her cry for a long period of time).
Does anybody have any tips how to ease her into taking the bottle every once in
a while (or is it better to do it semi-frequently she she satys used to it ?) ?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Chris W
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: sherman@sq.sq.com (David Sherman)
Subject: The Wind on the Moon -- author? info?
Organization: The Law Society of Upper Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:23:35 GMT

I recently dug into my collection of old kids' books to find something
interesting for our oldest daughter to read (she's just turning 8).
I came up with "The Wind on the Moon", a book I enjoyed as a kid.
Ariela is enjoying it a lot, though bits of it are over her head.

It was obviously written in England, sometime in the early 20th
century.  I just reread it, and some of the humour is clearly over
kids' heads (and also requires some knowledge of English society
in that era).  It's a fantasy/adventure story about two sisters,
aged about 9 or 10, who get into all kinds of trouble.  (For
example, they get a magic potion to turn themselves into kangaroos
to take revenge on some nasty townsfolk, and end up in the local
zoo where they can't get at the potion that changes them back into
little girls.)

The book is 364 pages, so it's a good long read for kids.
Unfortunately, the copy I have has no cover or title page, so
I don't know the author!  Does anyone know who wrote this book,
and when, and if the same author wrote more children's books?

David Sherman
Toronto
From: BSS_GRAEME@vd.seqeb.gov.au
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant for my wedding - need advice!
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:12:57 EST
Organization: South East Queensland Electricity Board

In article <RyX1iB1w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca>, holly@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Wendy Woodcock) writes:
> The advice I need is in regards to the wedding... should we postpone it for 
> a year, meaning that guests would have to cancel plane tickets, and we would 
> lose deposits on many things we have already booked, but by next August I 
> would be able to wear the dress, drink wine with dinner, and be more 
> "bridelike", or should we go ahead with the wedding as scheduled?  Would it 
> be terribly bad form for me to get married at 7 mths. pregnant?

	Wendy:
	Congratulations on both your upcoming wedding AND your
	unscheduled arrival!!!
	You have to ask yourself whether the people coming from
	overseas and locally are "true" friends. If they are, your 
	condition or lack of it would not be a problem.
	If however, you are worried that you won't be able to enjoy
	the wedding and consequent reception, it is really your
	choice.
	I'd opt for a more "comfortable" design, and go ahead.
	Anyone who thinks it undecorous in this day and age, for
	a bride to be 7 months pregnant  doesn't deserve to be there!
	I think a pregnant woman would make a _truely radiant bride_
	in every sense of the word. 
	How could you enjoy your wedding with a 1 year old at the
	ceremony/reception? You'll possibly be interrupted for feeds,
	nappy changes etc. I'd vote for an In-utero ceremony, I know
	which is easier to manage!!!!! 

	Have a ball!!!!Enjoy!!!!Share it with the people you love best!

				Philippa Wightman
	>>>Avenge yourself, live long enough to be a problem to your kids!<<<

	Email: bss_graeme@seqeb.gov.au
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Reducing styrofoam usage
Keywords: BYOPC  (Bring Your Own Plastic Container)
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:40:37 GMT
Reply-To: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Whenever we go out to eat, except fast food places, we bring home food
(I don't eat all of my main course so I'll have room for desert :-).

In USA, the leftovers are usually put in styrofoam containers.  Now
we leave plastic containers in our car; so that whenever we go out,
we can use our own containers.  (For us, it's easier to put these
containers in the car as soon as they are clean, than to remember to
put them in the car as we're dashing out the door to the restaurant.)

This idea was inspired by a friend's idea.  She objects to using paper
plates at picnics.  So she keeps a set of reusable plastic dishes and
silverware in her car that she used at our work picnic, for example


Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Placenta Lore
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 13:11:03 GMT

In article <3466@rosie.NeXT.COM> szakhour@next.com (Sharon Zakhour) writes:

>On one of these tours one woman nearing her ninth month asked if it  
>would be difficult for her to take her placenta home afterwards.

>I must admit I thought this a strange request.  What is she going to do with  
>it.  Hair rinse?  Face cream?  (My husband offered to build a glass case for  
>mine.  :-)  Other people in the group looked fairly confused as well.
>
>Then later I was discussing this with a few friends from work.  One of them  
>said, "Oh yes, you know co-worker X?  He and his wife had a home birth.  They  
>then had a ritual where they cooked the placenta, ate some of it and buried the
>rest."

>What!?  What!??  WHAT!!???!!?

>I mean, I've never heard of such a thing!  Is this some old-time tradition I've
>never heard of?  Where did it come from?  What's the purpose of it?  (What does
>it taste like? :-)

Since my husband and I are considering a home birth, I asked "What do we
do with the placenta?"  "Well, you could eat it..."

The placenta is full of wonderful minerals and also has lots of oxytocin
in it.  Animals routinely eat theirs.  Placentas used to be dried and
turned into little capsules, which were then given to the mother to eat.

I think I'll just bury it.  My roses could use a little help. :)

(We were also told that we can just throw it out with the garbage, but
that seems a little weird too -- Can you imagine the garbage man?  "Oh,
she must have had her baby -- here's her placenta.")

Michele
From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:08:05 GMT
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Interesting misconceptions [16 months]
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:58:48 GMT

These days I am getting a really interesting perspective on how hard it
must be for a 16-month-old to figure out the world.  My first really
different experience occurred one day as I was reading Anna a book.
Anna has been very interested in the words lately, and pointed to the
word "people".  So I read it -- "people".  She looked at me, and then
started flipping through the book pointing to all the words and saying,
"people!  people!"  It was very hard for me to figure out how to teach
her that what I should have said in the first place is, "word"  (but
then, how could I have known that?)

In a second experience, Anna now takes liquid refreshment only from
me or a cup (and has for a few months).  The other day she was coming 
over to nurse, so I started to give her access to the appropriate
body part.  She pointed at it, grinned, and said, "bottle!  bottle!".
Hmmm...

-- Misty
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education