From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.child-support
Subject: Re: Another Irate Dad Kills
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:58:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct6.125858.22655
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct6.034448.27807@cs.su.oz.au> allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer) writes:
>>	Finally and probably most important is the long term considerations.
>>	The presence of family (which won't exist if you don't have kids)
>>	is meaningfull.  Having a sibling to relate to when grown up,
>>	and having kids/family to share life, holidays, hard-times,etc.
>>
>>	I have kids, not for today or next week, but for when I'm in
>>	my 60's and 70's.  Both my wife and myself are one of two kids.
>So you decide to have kids to look after you
>at the end of your uselfulness.How kind 
>

	It has nothing to do with kindness nor with them caring for
	me.  You know the old saying, "You can pick your friends, but
	you can't pick your relatives"?  For the most part people have
	"circles of people" with whom they socialize and generally
	hang out with.  Friends generally come & go; relatives generally
	do not.


>>	And both of our respective parents lives would be quite empty
>>	without thier kids.  They are all pushing 70's.  But kids
>>	are there for them, and we have a sibling to "carry the burden"
>>	of family responsibilities, etc.  That's the *real* reason.
>>
>>	And we know several couples who seem to be very selfish, opting
>>	to not have any kids.  They will have a very lonely old age.
>>	They aren't investing in their future, and will pay for it
>
>Gee,that means if I don't have children then I'll be lonely in my
>old age.What about the kids being lonely in your work career.?
>I'm not attacking you personally,you voiced what many tried to say.
>
	There is a vast difference between experiencing different things
	and life in general when you are young, and when you are old.
	I am not that old yet, but I know many people who are.  And
	as I age the difference is becoming apparent.  My 3 year old
	daughter has not been physically alone for more than a few
	minutes at a time since birth, and that will not change for
	quite some time.  But there *is* a major difference which you
	apparently just can't see.

>>	So have kids.  Pay a price, and receive a "paycheck".  Or don't.
>>	No price, no paycheck.  Quite your job and live on the street
>>	if you don't consider the hassle of work worth food on your
>>	table.  It's like that.
>
>I think I need this explained.What has food on my table got to do with
>having kids.?If I like my job do I have to procreate.?

	The comparison is simply one of motivated desire/need.  I sense
	that you completely miss any "value" in kids.  You are therefore
	incapable of understanding any "payback" for efforts made in that
	direction.  But the analogy stands.  "effort in, payback out".
	"40 hours of work, paycheck out".  "Have and raise kids, and
	reap the present and future benifits"

	"Don't work 40 hrs, no paycheck and live on the street"

	Each is a personal choice for involvement in an activity or
	project with intent of future benefit.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
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