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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:58:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I just thought of another rule that I can't stand.  I realize the reason it
was introduced was to reduce injury, but I don't like it that QB's can 
"down themselves" by sliding feet 1st.  What about the games where because of
rainfall, the field becomes a water slide, should the QB get an extra 5 yards
because he can slide?  Also along the same lines, I can't the "in the grasp"
rule!  How many of Fran Tarkenton or Roger (the Dodger) Staubach's great
touchdown throws or comebacks would have been stopped in the middle of the 
play because a DT grabbed the corner of his jersey.  If the QB can get away
from the defensive player, great, let him throw a pass or run or whatever.
If the defensive player is so great, let him get a firm grip on the QB, not
just a hand on the jersey, and make a solid tackle.
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUCKLEY SIGNS!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:03:07 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug20.153954.23125@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>
>    As the title says, Terrell Buckley signed a contract yesterday. Of course
>    it was with the Atlanta Braves. He supposedly will report to the Winter
>    Instructional League from Sept. 15 to Oct. 31. The bonus is said to be in
>    the 10-20K range, a far cry from 2.something bonus GB is offering. Buckley
>    obviously wasn't an economics major at FSU. Of course, thinking about FSU's


Or maybe he's a lot smarter than you think. The Braves are paying him
money to play a sport he admits he's much less interested in than
football. If he does real well, he could get rich in baseball, if he
does poorly, he still gets to keep the Braves money, and can still
play football if/when he signs for huge money. He also has even more
leverage with the Packers now, because after Jordan and Deion, and
Dj Dozier and Bo, no football team is going to take the chance of
ignoring the baseball threat even if the guy is as raw as Buckley is 
(last year of baseball he was 0-5 at FSU).

So essentially he's using the Braves and getting paid to do it, while
he's not getting paid by the Packers.

Sounds like a pretty smart guy to me.




Russ Smith
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 02:20:53 GMT

In article <31Dh03Ws66Bq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>>
>>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>>
>>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>I think you mean.. *Tim* Brown..
>>     Ty Detmer           ????????
>			  Green Bay ... isn't it
>
>
>How about, 
>
>Vinny Testaverde 	Tampa
>Mike Rozier		HotLanta
>Barry Sanders		Detroit
>Andre Ware		Detroit
>
>
>That's about it.  Unless Bo comes back to the Raiders.  Speaking of Bo... 
>isn't it interesting that Bo barely won the Heisman over Chuck Long or Detroit
>might have THREE Heisman winners on the roster.  And what a flop Chuckie has
>been! He certainly would have upheld the old Heisman Jinx!  
>

At one time, the Raiders had four Heismans on the roster with
Tim Brown, Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, and Jim Plunket (I am not
sure if he completed the season). 

I wonder what the record is for having Heismans on one NFL teams
simultaneously.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu


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From: tech@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:25:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.055256.1709@news.stolaf.edu> alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>
>Joel Alvstad
>St. Olaf College
>Northfield, MN
>alvstad@stolaf.edu
>
>I bleed purple.
>
>

Hey! Don't you owe somebody a buck?

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day)
Subject: Who was the Lions QB last year?
Organization: control_centers
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:14:17 GMT

The subject line says it all.  I know Rodney Peete
played a few games before he got hurt, but I 
can't remember who his replacement was.  Email
or post is fine.

Thanks, 

Rob
-- 
Your bangs do a good job of covering up your lobotomy stitches. - Calvin & Hobbes

robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com    GO IRISH, BEARS, BULLS, WHITE SOX, HAWKS, etc.
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: POOL - Separate Newsgroup?
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:50:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.193759.1665@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.131047.1170@hellgate.utah.edu> twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.173616.26353@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>>>Last week, several people posted "Where are the results" messages after they
>>>had already been posted.  I have also had many people say that it is hard to
>>>find the different posts each week.
>>>
>>>As a possible solution to some of these problems, I was considering creating
>>>a group, "rec.sport.football.pro.pool" which would contain only my posts
>>>about the pool and any discussion of same.  It would also be available for
>>>any other pools that start up...
>>>
>>>Please let me know if you have an opinion on this idea either way.  If people
>>>seem to think it would be a useful thing, I'll do it.  If not, I won't.
>>>
>>>If we could keep discussion of this idea on the newsgroup, it would keep my
>>>mail spool to a less obnoxious size, but replies through email are also fine.
>>>
>>>-- 
>>
>>Glad you have brought it up. I don't think a new group is needed. I think
>>a cheaper, more effective method would be to have the owner of the pool
>>create a mailing list. He could then mail the pool info just to the people
>>interested in the pool. This would facilitate the discussion in the pool,
>>in that only pool people would get the mail. There is no reason to distribute
>>to the world a message that is addressed to small group of people.
>>
>>Tom Wolf
>>
>
>Just a note here.  The "small group of people" you speak of is, in my case,
>over 450 and still growing at a clip of 50 new people per week.  I already
>maintain a list of about 50 users who want the information mailed to them
>each week.  While I would consider a mailing list for all 450+ people, I
>don't think it is very practical.  As for the "cheapness" of a new newsgroup,
>I'm not sure I know where you are coming from.  Creating a new group is
>very simple to do.
>
>Still, perhaps the mailing list I already have combined with the posts here
>are enough.
>
>Anyone else care to comment?
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder

I think Dave should do whatever he thinks is simplist.  I am very grateful
for his work on the pool.  In fact, I do not feel there is a need for any
change just for changes sake.  I do not read every article posted and would
not expect anyone else to be required to either.  If you are not interested
in the pool, you can just hit 'n' at any time and continue on.  IMHO.

Thad Crews
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Anyone following the Bucs camp?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:36:10 GMT

In article <Bszr22.20M@rice.edu> langrock@rice.edu (David Jeffrey Langrock) writes:
>
>I am interested in information about the Buccanneers 6th round draft pick
>LB James Malone.  Does anyone know about his progress (or lack thereof) or
>if he has been cut yet?
>
>Thanks,
>David

Hi, David!  Yeah, I've been following the Bucs, and, no, James hasn't
been cut.  He has looked good in camp. Everything is going to ride on
how Floyd sees his defense. Right now, James is getting some reps be-
cause Jessie Solomon is a hold-out.  The top guy at ILB has been Cal-
vin Tiggle (a 2nd year pro out of Georgia Tech)  who may have already
beaten Jessie out.  I don't know how many ILB'ers Floyd will keep (we
are a 43 defense),  but I suspect James' performance on special teams
will be a strong determinant.
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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners tip Deadskins!
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:20:15 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
>
>Yep, 10 to 12 wins would be good. But if they went against the Redskins
>16 times this season, I think 8-8 would be good. 

Wishful thinking.

That was the first-team Redskins offense and defense teams playing in 
the first half, and the Redskins led 12-0 at halftime.

Then the second- and third-team units played in the second half (ugh!), 
and the 49ers scored 17 points against these units.


GO REDSKINS!  HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:44:38 GMT

>How about this one....
>
>Ken O'Brien to the Chargers?

After watching Nagle attempt to step up...and stumble...against the
Redskins, I doubt the Jets will let O'Brien to go.

					me
From: marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:09:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <55824.glh@[128.244.197.62]> glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (, Gene A. Heyler) writes:
>
>I vote for the sudden death (sudden victory?) rule, whereby a team can win
>the game on a single possession. At least in baseball, both teams get to
>bat in extra innings (imagine a game where the visting team scores in the
>top of the tenth and the game is over????) and in basketball, hockey,
>soccer, or any other sport, teams get multiple possessions in overtime.
>
>They should amend the rule so that if a team wins the toss and scores on
>their first possession in overtime, the other team gets one more shot to
>tie or win.


Well isnt the World League supposed to be a test bed for trying out new
rules before putting them into the NFL??

Well the overtime rule in the WLAF attempts to correct the short comings
of the NFL overtime rule.

The ruling in the WLAF is that both teams shall have an equal amount of
possesions unless a team scores on the very last play of the overtime
period.

Overtime ends as soon as one team outscores the other after an equal
number of possesions.

I saw this in action and believe it works well, obviously a team can be
disadvantaged by the other side only leaving them a few seconds  on the
clock, but unless thier drive took them nearly 15 mins then both teams
will have had at least one good shot at winning.

Marc

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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Was Montana, now 49er pred.
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:10:50 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <5034@gold.gvg.tek.com>, johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
> In article <166bq2INNqus@agate.berkeley.edu> max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang) writes:
>>Hmm, does the last-second, 40-some yarder against Cincinnati in 87
>>count as a Hail Mary as well?  (The one where Wyche called a sweep
>>to try to run out the clock)  Or is it not a fluke if Montana does it?
> 
> No way. That was a crossing pattern where Walsh called the play
> and Montana threw straight to Rice. Wyche blew that game - he could
> have won it by taking a saftey.
> 
> John Abt
-----
I have to agree that this wasn't a fluke.

A. Wyche didn't know the rules (the clock stops on a change of posession)
B. Was a bad call... why not just have the qb run around in the back field
   for 6 seconds followed by a safety.
C. If I'm not mistaken they had a rookie corner covering Rice one on one.

SF won THIS one because they had a better coach.
From: jstahley@qualcomm.com (Joseph E. Stahley III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Databases for Stats
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:34:25 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm,INC.

Would anybody know of any databases that have Football Stats available to 
FTP or Download?
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From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: "Off Weeks" addendum
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:13:34 GMT

Stop!
Hold It!
Put down those flame throwers!

I forgot to mention :

Week 9
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Seahawks

Sorry if I offended any of you AFC West fans. It is a fine division and
no insult was intended. ;)

-John-
Geaux Saints!!!!!
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Ken Swilling info wanted
Keywords: Bucs, Swilling, cut?
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:44:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Do any Bucs fans, or anyone else, have info on the status of Ken Swilling.
I heard that he signed, but I've yet to hear if he's played.  I also heard that
the Broncos showed just how sad the Bucs secondary is.  Is Swilling being used
as a LB or a DB?  I heard he was being tried at LB which to me makes less sense
than at DB, because the Bucs have some decent LB's already.  Whereas, they 
definitely need anybody they can get in the secondary.  BTW, did anyone else
see the game against the Falcons?  If so, what did you think of the good
performances turned in by Vinny and Ray Seales?
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Steve Bono saves the day
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:05:07 GMT

In article <16n4g8INNko4@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>
>
>I hope today's game against the Redskins makes it very clear to Seifert that
>Bono, and not Steve Young, can SCORE! Young can throw, and sometimes far, but
>he cannot score in a game. Drop him. Get a better place kicker or line backer.
>
   Time and time again it shows that the receivers are much more comfortable
with Bono.  His game-winning drive reminds me of Montana too.

>
>That's my  two cents.
>-- 
>   |^^^^^^|      _______________________________________________________
>   |      |      |"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that    | 
>   |      |      | distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            |
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Edward Hui
From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 8/17/92
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:03:27 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug18.131959@axion.bt.co.uk > ravis@axion.bt.co.uk (Richard Avis) writes:
 >
 >In article <23729@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
 >|> The Redskins lost to San Francisco 49ers yesterday, by the score of
 >|> 17-15.  The game was played at Wembley Stadium in London, England.
 >|> 
 >|> So far, the Redskins' first team defense hasn't allowed any point in
 >|> the preseason.  It was the second and third team defense that allowed
 >|> the points.
 >|> 
 >|> Joe Gibbs, knowing that the Redskins may face the 49ers in the playoffs
 >|> later this season, kept most of the offense under wraps, but there were
 >|> some brilliant moments.  However, the second and third team offensive
 >|> and defensive teams in the second half left a lot to be desired.
 >Sadly, the brilliant moments were few and far between.
 >|> 
 >|> 
 >Your damned right! And it wasn't just the second half, the Redskins offence
 >looked like a bunch of donkeys even in the first quarter - when Rypien was at
 >QB. Incidentally, having seen him in action `in the flesh' I still rate him as the 
 >luckiest donkey QB in the NFL - he still doesn't impress under pressure...
 >
 >The score line was actually flattering - don't forget that Mike `I really don't want
 >this job' Cofer missed two field goals from easy range (mind you, one of the
 >Richard Avis (Mr. Forgettable)

  Few other points to note (other than the fact that it was only a
  preseason game)
  1. Niners had several drives killed due to penalties especially in
     the beginning when Young was at the helm. 
  2. The DL was missing Ted Washington and Charles Haley; and Michael
     Carter had started practice only a few days ago having brought his
     weight down to a reasonable level. The pass rush will probably
     remain a concern. Harris has to play better than last year and
     Haley has to be healthy else they are in trouble.
  3. The Niners were missing Jerry Rice, who can make the best DB's look
     bad.

     On the flip side, as has been mentioned Washington was missing
     Green, Lachey and Williams. I am looking forward to a playoff
     matchup between these two teams, it should settle several arguments :-)
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer news Ruettgers status
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:24:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Aug20.143250.21195
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center


   Player             1991  Asking   Offered  Status
-- ------------------ ----- -------  -------  ------
QB Mike Tomczak       $550K    ?        ?     signed
WR Perry Kemp         $375K    ?        ?     signed
TE Jacke Harris       $125K    ?        ?     signed
OT Ken Ruettgers      $750K  $1.1 M    $800K  signed
OT Reggie Singletary  $170K    ?        ?     signed
G  Rich Moran         $675K    ?        ?     
DE Robert Brown       $475K    ?        ?
DE Lester Archambeau  $90K     ?        ?     signed
LB Brian Noble        $600K    ?       $650K
LB Brice Paup         $100K    ?        ?     signed
CB Terrell Buckley      NA   $2.3 M   $1.3 M

>Yes, Paup did sign.  So did Jackie Harris.  I believe Singletary either
>signed or was released, because as far as I know, only Buckley, Noble,
>Moran, Tomczak, and Brown are unsigned.

Someone here incorrectly reported that Moran had signed.  A while ago 
I incorrectly reported that Brown had signed.  Tomczak signed 
yesterday so I believe the above list is correct.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Redskins impressions (was Re: Niners tip Deadskins!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:42:01 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug17.173632.22117@verdix.com> drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.145307.23167@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>>Lachey and Green will be missed.  Either one might come back or simply
>>retire.  They're really too old to trade.
>
>Are we talking about the "Lachey and Green" that play for the Skins?  Lachey
>is only 28-29, and Green is 31-32.  Barring injury Lachey has 6-7 good years,
>Grren 3-4.  Not what I would consider "too old".
>
>I think Washington can pick up where they left off without Green, but not
>without Lachey.  Fortunately, I think both will be in camp before the week
>is out.
>

Yeh, I would love to see Green in a 49er uniform. That would solve one
of the BIG problems with the 49ers now. Putting Lachey in there, would
probably boost the running game by 300+ yards a year.

Think the Redskins might take Young for Lachey & Green :) Of course if they
did, I think you Redskins fans would be justified for shooting the guy who
makes that trade.


Tom Wolf
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Cincinnati Wide Receivers... who's hurt?
Keywords: injuries
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:21:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.164807.6242@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) writes:
>
>
>Two quick questions.
>
>1) Was it Brown or McGee that got hurt on the Bengals?
>
>2) How long is he out for?
>
>
>Thanks.

Eddie Brown was injured during training camp.
He'll miss the entire season.
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:46:07 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic) writes:
>
>San Diego-Looking for a QB
>
>-Bethard interested in approaching Redskins Humphries, since he drafted him....

This trade is more likely now that the Redskins finally signed Mark 
Rypien.  Stan Humphries has gone to London with the Redskins team for 
the exhibition game against San Francisco 49ers.


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