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From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.142912.6932@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience) writes:
>>we thank you for sharing your work. however, to get widest distribution,
>>please don't post self extracting archives. people without ataris may
>>want to look at it (ie read the documentation). use arc, zoo or lharc.
>
>I would like to disagree with this, at least partially. There are so many 
>different compression formats on the ST that it really *sucks*, a .sea is 
>extremely nice because then I don't have to have "X" program or the newest 
>version of Lharc (which I *never* seem to have).

The "problem" is that OTHER platforms have a lot of different
compression formats.  Add to this the fact that it's fairly easy to
translate software to the ST.  If there weren't any C compilers for
the ST, then life would be wonderful, because we wouldn't have any of
those "awful" archive formats that they have on other computers.

There's really only a couple of unique Atari formats (the DC real-time
compressor, and a couple of programs that compress executables), and
they're seldom used for distribution purposes...

>Well, maybe not, but self-extracting files sure make my life a lot easier.

It makes YOUR life easier, but not for the rest of us.  I often will
ftp files to my UNIX system, and check the dox to see if it's worth
downloading (at a pretty LOUSY baud rate) to the ST at home.

If there's some ENORMOUS file on atari.archive, I'd like to know
what's in it BEFORE I try downloading it.  SEAs are NOT acceptable for
this (common) purpose.

>Those without an ST should just buy one :-)

I've got TWO.  I can't use either of them ON SITE.

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:24:19 GMT

>Is MultiTOS faster? MultiTOS is a FAR inferiour product and doesn't offer 20%
>of all OS/2 functions. I have received some results that were performed with
>MultiTOS such as screen redraw routines, VDI functions etc. The results are
>definetely slower. If MultiTOS sells nearly as many as OS/2 2.0 copies please
>let me know...

One thing I want to know is *why* everyone seems to equate sales with a good 
product, it has been shown many times over that what sells an item most is 
advertising and brand-name-loyalty, not quality. Take for example Microsoft 
products, OS/2 is far superior to Windows, yet Windows has more applications 
and sells *many times* more copies than does OS/2.  IMHO, *all* Microsoft 
products suck, as in "bit the big one", you know, they "suck big hairy moose 
muscles". :-) OK, so, maybe you like Microsoft products, let all take *american
cars!*, ooooh, now there's a touchy subject! You can't buy a true "american
built" car (actually, many of them are made in Mexico) that can even come 
remotely close to the reliability of Honda, Toyota, or Nissan, yet the american
cars continue to sell better. Even if *you* happen to love american cars, just 
like the majority of the population, that in no way makes them a *better* 
product.

In general I've found that the most advertised and popular of products tend to 
be the ones I like the least. It is the innovative and original products from 
the smaller companies that actually excel, the others just seem to duplicate...

Anyone else out there know what I mean?
---------------------------------------------------------------------->
|-! -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- And now a .sig sure to insult (or at least baffle) 95% of all computer users:

  |||    - Dos and Macintosh = Standardization and Stagnation -     //
 / | \   - Atari and Commodore = Innovation and Invention     -   \//
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 8 Sep 1992 02:50:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) says:

>
>>>  The only thing that the LCII has is a superior O/S but TOS is
>
>dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience) writes:
>
>
>>I don't agree with your comment about the superior OS, I find the Mac OS
>>*extremely* user friendly, and *extremely* slow, and *extremely* limited. I 
>>perfer the ST's O/S better in almost all cases...
>
>And "user friendly" can definately be extreme.  In first-year, we had Macs,
>and I was editting a program, then accessed a disk from a friend.  He took
>the disk away, then a little later the machine INSISTED that I insert that
>disk.  The only escape was rebooting - losing all my program.  The Mac gets
>very fascist when it comes to floppy disks.
>
>Give mw the more subservient OS of the Atari any day.
>
>--
>Warwick
>--
>  _-_|\      warwick@cs.uq.oz.au            /Disclaimer:
> /     * <-- Computer Science Department,  /  
> \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    /      void (if removed)
>      v      Brisbane, Australia.        /  
>


I have to agree, TOS is definitely more user-friendly than Mac's OS.

It is like comparing the Atari 8-bit's operating system to that
of the C64.  They did a good job on TOS and it is getting better.



--
From: john.woznack@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (John Woznack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: AUTHOR OF MIDI MAZE I
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.woznack@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (John Woznack)
Organization: Outland BBS-UUCP

Does ANYONE know where the author of Midi Maze I (Not II) is?
I need to speak to him/her ASAP. I think the last name is, or
partially is, Xanth. Thanks!
-JWW
                                                                                                  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:19:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.094141.18101@sci.kun.nl>, leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:
[ a well-balanced comparison of different machines, including the Falcon,
  deleted to save space ]
[ on the subject of the Falcon: ]

>   However: it cannot and will never run
>   unix (at least not for free) with X-Windows/OpenLook

Actually, there's no reason at all that a Falcon couldn't run BSD 4.4 or
the GNU Hurd, when those become available. All the GNU tools (make, gcc,
gas, bison, flex, bash) are available now for the ST, and will run
on the Falcon, so porting the GNU kernel or BSD should be (relatively)
straightforward.

For that matter, I'm sure that X-Windows could be made to run under
MiNT/MultiTOS, and I would not be surprised if MultiTOS were eventually
Posix compliant (please note the qualifiers: I'm not saying that MultiTOS
*is* or even *will be* Posix compliant, just that I think it *could become*
Posix compliant).
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
From: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Can I un-arc MSDOS files on an ST?
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:21:15 GMT
Reply-To: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Sep6.112232.1742@newstand.syr.edu> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.150913.17933@unlinfo.unl.edu> ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu (gary anderson) writes:
>>I want to get some games via FTP for my young nephew who has an
>>IBM machine.  My machine is an Atari ST.
>>Can I un-arc these IBM files on my ST, as I would an ST file?  Or will
>>I need special software?  Or can I even do it at all?
>>(I know the easiest thing would be to get the files and the appropriate
>>unarc program and let him do it, but I know the procedure would
>>confuse him even more than it's confusing me...)
>>Thanks!
>>Gary Anderson
>>ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu
>
>I know this can be done...I've done it using DCExtract.
>--Gerry
>ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu

	And some time ago, I managed to hack the Public Domain C-code
for the IBM  "DEBOO" program such that it compiled with Mark Williams C
and, of course, ran on an ST.

	Since then I've used this DEBOO.PRG many times to obtain the
IBM archived files - with no complaints.

	If a FEW feel the need for this I'd be happy to send it to them
(or if MANY want it, I'd send it to a.a)

					W. Alan B. Evans
					[ wabe@ukc.ac.uk ]
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 01:03:57 MES
From: Bjarne Pohlers <POHLERB@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MicroEMACS 3.11c-beta1 available

A new version of my port of MicroEMACS for ST(E)/TT computers is now
available. It replaces the old MicroEMACS 3.11a-beta4.2 version
(``microemacs.zoo''). The following files are available at
ftp.uni-muenster.de in the folder
/pub/atari/editors/microemacs_3.11c-beta1 :

length file         description
=================================================================
58127  ue311cmd.zoo Macros and startup-file; get this archive!
73389  ue311doc.zoo Documentation for MicroEMACS 3.11.
64898  ue311gbw.zoo GEM-MicroEMACS, monochrome version (executable)
65449  ue311gcl.zoo GEM-MicroEMACS, color version (executable)
57323  ue311st.zoo  A hacked version with linea-calls. I do not use it! (executa
66732  ue311tc.zoo  A TERMCAP-based version of MicroEMACS (executable)


 I also uploaded the files to atari.archive.umich.edu, so please first
look there, if you're outside of Europe. Thanks!

In this version, programmable GEM-menus have been added to
GEM-MicroEMACS. As the menu is quite large, GEM-MicroEMACS might have
problems in the low resolution (I did not test it).
 The executable in ue3.11st.zoo might have problems with some
configuration as it uses undocumented features of TOS.
 Exept for these two cases, MicroEMACS should run under any
configuration. If not, or if you find other bugs, please mail them
to
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: SHIFT (game) question...
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:46:46 GMT

OK, I know this is a stupid question, and maybe the wrong group to post it to
(where else?), but, well, ... no flames please, I'm just an ignorant addict :)
If you don't know the game 'SHIFT' then skip this message please.

What's it about: I've gotten completely addicted to SHIFT and have managed to
play the first 200 levels without serious problems (SHIFT.LVL and SHIFT_2.LVL).
I recently tried to conquer the new set of levels (PUBLIC.LVL), but I'm
absolutely stuck at level 59 - I tried everything (well... almost I suppose :).
Anyone any clues? I don't like to spend the rest of my days looking at the same
screen :( Please email for I suppose not too many people are interested.
Thanx.

A stupid philosopher <ha!>


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra - Department of Philosophy
University of Utrecht - The Netherlands
USENET: hjv@phil.ruu.nl 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mpark@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Subject: Human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:00:30 GMT

In article <2240195@overmind.citadel> only_bbs!JOHN_LOCKARD@overmind.mind.org writes:
>
> >  24 kHz is well beyond the average human being's hearing range.  
>   
> Not true.  Individual tones cannot be detected above 20K, but people  
> can detect sounds above 20K as 'nuances' in music and can tell when  
> these frequencies are absent.  So sampling needs to be 100Khz or higher.  
> I forget which British audio lab did the report on that. 

Are you saying that "nuances" up to 50kHz are perceptible?  Please
back up this claim.  Perhaps someone else can remember which lab
did the experiment?

-- 
Ciao-abunga!           +-------------------------------------+
Michael Park           | This space intentionally left blank |
mpark@u.washington.edu +-------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Re: Communications Software
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:31:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.061914.3314@actrix.gen.nz> Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

[Part deleted]

>Background event relay.  Different fonts (loadable).  Quick to use

	Where can I get myself more fonts in the format FZDT reads
	them? Is there any non-commercial font developing package
	that is capable of creating such font files? Where can I
	get it from?

>-- 
>        Wells_S@Kosmos.WCC.Govt.NZ     /     Steven.Wells@BBS.Actrix.Gen.NZ 
>                   $$$$$$$$ Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre $$$$$$$$


-- 
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| Rasmus Paetau (paetau@mits.mdata.fi) | Waiting for the Atari Falcon |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
	<Bu1Dyu.IA0@gp <1992Sep4.191425.12091@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1992 13:05:20 MET

In <1992Sep4.191425.12091@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Your Conscience writes:
----Stuff deleted---
>
>Of course, I have something about a computer that can actually corrupt its own 
>operating system like the Mac likes to do also, seems like something should be 
>done about that!

This makes me think of a signature i read som place (forgive me if you'v seen 
it before):

MACHINTOS => Machin Always CrasHes, If Not, The Operating System


-- 
  _______________________________________________________
 / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
/ Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
-----------------------------------------------------------
From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:35:00 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Hey, Kovarski - I'm sick of your sh*t - if i wanted to waste my time I'd
reply to every one of your ridiculous posts, but for now you'll have to
settle with this - shut up - if I wanted to hear more moronic Atari
bashing, I'd hang out in amiga.advocacy..........


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ZOO problems (was PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a)
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:32:15 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Sep14.035858.2395@actrix.gen.nz> Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>.ZOO is a LOT slower than LHarc, (in 'high compression' mode) -  and
>fails to get as good compression.  (The difference is so small it
>hardly matters) but speed is a real problem!  

Since they use exactly the same algorithm (hence "The difference is so small"
- the the difference in header info), it is merely particular implementations
you are talking about.  All you are saying is that the particular lharc
program you use was written in assembler.


On my unix box here:


~/bin $ time zoo ah t.zoo foobar
Zoo:  foobar -  (54%) added

real    0m51.06s
user    0m43.76s
sys     0m1.65s
~/bin $ time lha a t.lzh foobar
foobar  - Frozen

real    0m57.63s
user    0m51.63s
sys     0m1.56s


So there!  (No doubt the zoo one is better merely because it has been
around longer, and so more optimizations have been made).

--
Warwick
--
  _-_|\      warwick@cs.uq.oz.au            /Disclaimer:
 /     * <-- Computer Science Department,  /  
 \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    /   C references are NULL && void*
      v      Brisbane, Australia.        /
From: oliver@westw.rd.open.de (Oliver Klink)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I GIVE UP --- HELP
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:18:50 GMT
Organization: OPeN Open Personal Network, Rendsburg-Eckernfoerde

In <715791492.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> Terry.Soderman@f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Terry Soderman) writes:

>I have LZH201J.lzh that is supposed to achive this goal except that
>it is a (lh5) file and I can't un-LZH it.

Rename it to LZH201J.TTP, start it and be surprised! Unpack it by
typing LZH201J X LZH201J.TTP.

cu
 Oliver

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From: aj434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GCR & HD for sale
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:03:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Posting for a friend:

GCR Box with all needed software, ROM's and mono monitor. $250.00.

Atari ST HD. BMS-200 host adapter card, Adaptec MFM controller card
with 20 megs of HD all in a pc case with extra 5"and 3"floppy drive
assemblies complete with power supply and all necessary cables. $300.00
or best offer.

Call Warren at (716) 227-5797.

Do not reply to the sender!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tries@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Volker Tries)
Subject: Re: looking for an assembler
Organization: Institute for Nuclear Physics, Uni Mainz, FRG
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:25:29 GMT

Why don't you use the TURBOASS assembler package?
As far as I know it's the fastest and best assembler/disassembler for ATARI ST 680xx.

Volker
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: erik@microware.com (Erik Johnson)
Subject: Re: Use of Falcon's DSP?
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:21:57 GMT

In article <etxansk.716051298@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
> I read in Atari ST User (a UK magazine), issue #37, about the
>DSP chip in the new Falcon computer. 
>
  [some stuff deleted]
>
> Also, does anyone know if the DSP will make the Falcon unique
>when it comes to manipulating graphics? (At least as long as
>no other computer or video game company decide to use this
>standard DSP chip for their product.)
>
> Anders Skelander
>
I have written an animation program that rotates images (ie. every pixel).
If the DSP could be used as an image rotation engine, then I imagine that
realtime animations could be created (now animations are compiled).  By the
way, the current code uses all integer math (of course), so writing DSP
code should not be too tough.

For this to work, the DSP would have to have full speed access to main
memory; anyone know if this is so?

Erik Johnson    erik@microware.com
From: lenn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jody Lenn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Could someone upload stzip20.lzh to a.a. again?
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:42:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Could someone please re-upload stzip20.lzh to atari archive at Umich??

It seems that it accidentally got deleted.


                                           Thanks,
                                         Jody Lenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Newstuff: uniterm?
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 14 Sep 1992 08:23:46 GMT
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Sep14.045008.18866@csi.uottawa.ca>, cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
>In article <10276@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> marshall@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>>Is the uniterm which is mentioned in this week's posting of new stuff
>>actually an update of uniterm? If so, what's new in it?
>
>
>What is now annoying is that I can't recall (or find) the name of the
>site at which it IS available.  Archie isn't telling me anything much
>that's useful.  Does anyone recall the name of the site where 2.0e015
>IS available?  2.0e011 seems to be easy to find at various sites.
>
>2.0e015 was a final version incorporating a number of (unexplained)
>bug fixes.  011 seems to be the only stable version before 015.
>
>Apparently Simon Poole, the authour, is now busy programming Crays, (I
>saw a posting around comp.lang.fortran, or something of the sort a
>while back) and doesn't have too much time left over for ST work.
>
>-- 
>Christopher Browne
>cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
>University of Ottawa
>Master of System Science Program


Well here is your wish...!!!

*******************************************************************************
Subject: Slightly updated version of UniTerm available
From: poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole)
Date: 27 Feb 92 17:02:37 GMT

A slightly updated version of UniTerm is available from

        chsun.chuug.ch

Directory

        /archive/software/atari/UniTerm

there's a tar'ed and compressed version of the distribution and a
unpacked version. (Please read the README in the directory -first-.)

-- 
CHUUG/EUnet Switzerland                         Simon Poole
Zweierstrasse 35        Tel: +41 1 291 45 80
CH-8004 Zuerich         Fax: +41 1 291 46 42    poole@chuug.ch
********************************************************************************


Roger............          sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Conference at GEnie 9/9
Date: 9 Sep 1992 13:52:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) says:

>Good news!!!  According to Bill Rehbock at the CIS conference, 
>the Falcon030 has passed FCC Class B specifications and they
>are only waiting for the paperwork certification.  And people
>thought it would take a few months just for THIS to happen. <grin>
>


Ok, who paid off the FCC?  :)


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