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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:42:32 EST
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From:         Paul Ribeiro <ACAD8012@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA>
Subject:      make + other utilities

Hi,
I have an rs/6000 that came with bos pre-installed but it seems that
/usr/ccs/bin is quite empty :-/  (make and lint etc. are all missing)
Can anyone tell me what part of the distribution tape needs to be loaded
to get make and the other unix utilities?
thanks,
/Paul
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:04:45 EST
From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tithing

> Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:44:01 -0800
> From: Don Roberts <DSROBERTS@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM>
> Subject: Re: Tithing
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
> >However, there is no reason that Christians cannot give their money
> >directly to people who need it, rather than putting it all under the
> >church's discretion.  In fact, this would provide far fewer
> >opportunities for corruption than if it were all thrown into one big
> >fund.
>
> I've always been troubled by this attitude, which I've seen so often.  If you
> can't trust your church with your funds, why are you attending that church?

I never said my church cannot be trusted; in fact, since I am on the
Missions Committee, and my mother is the church secretary, I know that
we handle our offerings honestly and responsibly.

I had merely cited concern that, with the potential increase in giving
cited earlier, there would be a greater *temptation* to materialism if
it were all heaped onto our churches to disburse.  By giving directly
to the needy, the *temptation* would be reduced in the church, and yet
the money would still end up where it is needed.

An additional benefit to direct giving is that it makes you go out and
get involved personally, rather than just sign the check and hand it
over.  Now, if I could only follow my own advice...
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                   PictureTel Corp. (so there!)
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Date: 25 Jan 93 11:49:38 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
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This is from Al Hallaj:

>If you want me to be satisfied (and you also), take my reins,
And we will live together without cares.
Come on, look at the world with my eyes;
Listen to it with my ears;
And speak to it with my tongue.<

Amen Lord Jesus.  May it be so.  Peace, zane.
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Date:         Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:33:21 -0500
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Church Outreach

Claude,
God bless your church and every church that looks after the poor and those who
need special care!
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:48:38 EST
From:         dave talaga x2752 <talaga@E5SB.OSDHW.SYR.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tithing

> Blaming the practice of tithe for church failures, preacher failures,
> false ministries, and families falling apart IS ABSOLUTELY
> LUDICROUS!!!  These churches and people DID NOT fall apart because
> they were tithing!  They obviously had many other problems.  If a
> church FORCES its members to tithe, I think they are wrong, but the
> tithe itself is a positive thing.  It certainly doesn't hurt anybody!
> And it does help to finance good ministries!  And I KNOW that it IS
> God's will for us to give, so why not give 10 percent?  That is an
> amount that can cause most of us to trust God a little more, and it
> will cause us to rethink our priorities - these are all GOOD benefits
> from tithing!  I certainly don't think that my life has been messed
> up because I tithe!
>
> Scott D. Weberg
>

By the same token, claiming the practice of the tithe results in
health, wealth, and great ministries is also ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS!!!
Those good things and great ministries did not come from tithing
either.  And for that matter, what makes the tithe positive and not
negative?  If the tithe is a good thing, why did Jesus rebuke the
pharisess by pointing out their tithing practices?  I am quite sure
that if you asked a typical pharisee if he was running a Godly
ministry, his reply would have been very positive.  For that matter, I
wonder what Jimmy Baker, or Jimmy Swaggert, or Pat Robertson, or your
local pastor would say about their ministry.  Of course they are Godly
ministries worthy of your tithe.  The question is: "How do you really
know?"

You say you can trust God more by tithing.  Why?  What if you give 10%
and you can't afford to eat?  Or to by decent clothes?  What if, after
your tithe, NOTHING happens?  How would you counsel someone with those
questions?  Give more?  less?  Dare I mention those who "trusted God"
and opened thier pocketbooks to some now disgraced ministry.  Where was
the blessing their?  Did God goof up?  Or could it possibly be that
there were deceived by people who pray on such concepts as tithing.

Dave Talaga
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:54:39 CST
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      tithes and marriage

> As an older person (preschooler at Pearl Harbor folks) I would like to make
> a comment on tithing.  It is my opinion that if you are getting married,
> and have not or do not come to an agreement about tithing beforehand, you
> will have endless hassles afterward.
>
Hi Carol,
This is very true, but in my case, neither myself nor my husband were
born again Christians at the time that we got married. Plus, I got
married at the ripe ole age of 17 and that was the last thing on my
mind, because I was still in High School, with no job.
Yvette (I am 29 now.)

Yvette
"Do something good for someone today, even if it is leaving them alone."
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:49:00 EST
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From:         The Vampyre Jaws <WILDER@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      quotes

I was thinking that maybe someone would like to help me create a
collection of some of the best vampire/vampiric quotes from books,
friends, music, whatever....

If someone would like to help me with this endeavour, please drop me a
note.

Here's some quotes to get us started.
(Stakey, I included one for you....)

The Vampyre Jaws
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"It was many years ago that I became what I am.
I was trapped in this life like an innocent lamb.
Now I can never show my face at noon
And you'll never see me walking by the light of the moon.
The brim of my hat hides the eye of a beast
I've the face of a sinner, but the hands of a priest."

                - Sting (Moon over Bourbon Street)


HAMLET:
'Tis now the very witching time of the night,
When churchyards yawn and Hell itself breaths out
Contagion to this world. Now could I drink hot blood,
And do such bitter business as the day
Would quake to look upon.

                        - William Shakespeare
                                (Act III, Scene ii, Lines 388-392)


Did you keep a watch for the dead man's wind
Did you see the woman with the comb in her hair
Wailing away on the wall on the strand
As you danced to the Turkish song of the damned

                - The Pogues (Turkish Song of the Damned)


"Bela Lugosi's Dead"

                - Bauhaus (Bela Lugosi's Dead)

"The voice of the dead was a living voice to me."

                - Lord Alfred Tennyson (In the Valley of Cauteretz)

And one for The Stakeholder:
----------------------------

"He who fights with monsters might take care,
lest he thereby become a monster.
And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
the abyss gazes into you."

                - Nietzsche (Jenseus von Gut Bose)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:18:38 MST
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Subject:      Re: Segregated Churches

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
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>From: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Post)
>Subject: Re:      Segregated Churches
>Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 20:56:47 GMT

Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> writes:
>The current discussion on segregated American churches has been missing one
>vitally important point of view:  that of black American Christians.  I've
>read an awful lot of posts from <apparently> white American Christians
>describing how accepting their particular churches are, and how many black
>Christians they tend to have as friends.  But despite how unprejudiced we
>claim to be, this one-sided discussion gives us a very biased
>perspective on segregation within churches, and those listmembers reading
>from other countries should be aware of this bias.
>
>Are there any minority CHRISTIA readers who wish to comment on this topic?
>
>Brenda

Brenda,

I rather doubt that white Christians who reject blacks would post here.
However, I would also be interested in hearing comments from black
American Christians.  Feel free to email me if you would rather not post.

Grace & Peace
Scott
scotth@cs.umr.edu
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:07:42 EDT
From:         "James K. Gruetzner" <JKG100G@ODUVM.CC.ODU.EDU>
Subject: Re: King James Bible

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Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 11:56:09 EDT
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Subject: Re: King James Bible.


My Grampa would only trust the REAL version of the Bible:

   Dr. Luther's German edition.

None of this English language heretical stuff.  The words in the
original language!

Und Gott sagt, lass werde licht, und licht war.

                        James
                        James K. Gruetzner (jkg100g@oduvm.cc.odu.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:00:23 EST
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject:      The Sabbath Commandment
              <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>

For a good discussion of the relationship between the Sabbath and the
Lord's Day, I recommend James Kiefer's essay LORDS DAY, available from
the CHRISTIA library.  Send the command GET LORDS DAY to
LISTSERV@ASUACAD or LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
Also, I posted a short essay on the Sabbath and its fulfillment in Jesus
several weeks ago.  Anyone who missed this post or would to read it again,
contact me directly and I will send you a copy.

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (Internet)
LMENDELS@WAYNEST1 (Bitnet)
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: let's split
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:28:16 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
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Kerry,

I recommend you read 2 books.  The first is >Our Mission< by Gene Edwards,
and the second is I think called >How to Handle a Church Split<, also by
Gene.  They are both published by Christian Books.

Tongues.  If you got 'em, use 'em.  But only use them when you've turn
your heart towards the Lord, pour yourself out to Him in love, and run out
of beautiful words of your own to please Him.  Then you can be relatively
doubt free (can't you), that they are not some deception.  At the very most,
if you're wrong, you'll just sound like a little baby gooing before your
heavenly Father, and I don't know too many heavenly Fathers that just aren't
blown away by their daughters gooing at them.

Doubt is very healthy when it causes you to turn towards the Reality of
the kosmos.

                                        Peace in Christ, zane.
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:18:15 GMT
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From:         NativeNet@GNOSYS.SVLE.MA.US
Subject:      Umatilla Roots?

Original Sender: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
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[ This article is being relayed from the Usenet "alt.native" newsgroup. ]

Odd question maybe.. My father used to tell me I was part Umatilla indian,
about 1/16th or so compliments of my Great-Grand-Mother, who was 1/2. Problem
was my Grand-Father disliked my Great-Grand. Also the times were not good for
anyone of mixed blood, so he sid he was white.. Well I do feel a a part of me
is lost and I like to know more about my roots.. Not sure if my dad was telling
the total truth, but I still would liek to know.. Culture, Lingo, and maybe a
few cousins...


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel
nsmca@acad2.alaska.edu
another crazy Gusik..
Nome, Alaska..
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:59:00 EDT
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From:         Leonard Gaines <LGAINES@SNYESCVA.BITNET>
Subject:      An invitation and general greetings

HellooooOOOOOOOOOooooooo out there!  Lady Spirit Wolf here.  This is an
invitation for all Albany NY area vamps (visitors also welcome).  RPI
(Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute) is showing FFC's Dracula on friday,
February 26th.  Tickets are $2 dollars with a student id and only $3 for
anyone else.   If you are interested, please contact me at LGAINES@SNYESCVA.
There are two showings:  7pm and midnight.  My preference is the earlier
showing, so I can invite you folks over for a mini-vamp fest after the show.
Please let me know if you need transportation- I am aware that many students
don't have cars.  Also, one final note.  I have a very friendly 12 lb cat,
so if you have allergies, be warned.

I also want to welcome back the Stakeholder.  I so enjoy his posts.  Carryo
on, FitzHugh!

I was musing for a bit (dangerous thing that) and came up with an idea for
a personals ad.

Transylvanian nobleman seeks attractive woman to join him for romantic
midnight snacks.  Please send name, photo and copy of blood donor card to...

(your imagination can fill in the rest)

Enjoy the night and happy hunting!
Lady Spirit Wolf
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:46:11 CST
From:         Russ Neumeier <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      OOOOOOOOPS....
              93 8:07 am

Well, you probably realized that a personal message was sent to the
entire CHRISTIA world (hopefully no vampires are reading this....:-)  )
But, you now all know a little bit more about me...


Please excuse the absent-mindedness -- it was done before my first cup
of tea this morning....

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:06:00 -0700
From:         SWILBURN@GONZAGA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Last night's Rush Limbaugh Show

Sorry, guys, but I do not like anyone doing what Rush Limbaugh does and that is
putting down other people.  Jesus said love one another as I have loved you.
Rush Limbaugh must not love himself since he seems to express hatred towards
others.

Scott Wilburn
Gonzaga University
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:55:00 -0700
From:         SWILBURN@GONZAGA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

Dear Michelle:
        I am a Roman Catholic, and for the 5 years that I lived in a small town
in Northeast Washington (STATE), I was always told that Mormons were a "cult"
and that they were exclusive.  I, too, had a friend convert form Catholicism to
Mormonism.  I do not believe that the Mormon Church is a so-called "cult".
After all, the name of the Mormon Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints", and I do not think that a church with Christ's name in the
title could be a cult.  I now work for a man who is Mormon, and he has other
employees that are Mormon.  He knows I am a Roman Catholic, and he respects
me and my beliefs.  I, too, respect his beliefs, and if there is one thing we
have in common, it is that both of us believe in Christ.  I should also mention
that my boss is the best man I have ever worked for, and many people whether
dealing with him personally or in business respect him.  I will pray that you
and your friend will be able to accept the differences in church denominations
and go foreward in faith together.

Scott A. Wilburn
Gonzaga University
swilburn@gonzaga.bitnet (BITNET)
swilburn@gonz.gonzaga.edu (INTERNET)
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Miracles

Is a miracle any less a miracle for having explainable causes?

Once in an anthropology class, a professor was trying to explain a culture's
belief in the power of ancestors to control lives.  She said, once a man in
this culture walked into a granary.  The granary collapsed and killed him.
Someone from a developed country might say, "Ah, but the granary was infested
with termites.  The termites had so destroyed the walls that it was bound
to fall sooner or later."  Someone from the culture in question would respond,
"Yes, there were termites.  But it was the ancestors who caused the granary
to fall at the precise moment that the man walked inside."

What the one from this culture knew that we sometimes forget is that events
that have fully understandable causes can still be not easily explained.
The sun appears to come up every morning because the earth rotates around
it due to gravity.  Is it any less a miracle?  A child is formed when a
sperm meets an egg.  We know the mechanics of how that happens.  Is it
any less a miracle for the knowing?

God created the laws of nature.  That he should use them to work his miracles
should cause us no surprise.  God set the world in motion with all of its
rules about how things work, and then he said it was good.  But we often try
to force him to work outside of his own rules.  We try to say that if something
happened that has some sort of understandable cause, it must not have been
God's handiwork.  God is somehow only responsible for the things that we
cannot explain any other way.  But I think that God is present in the real,
mundane, everyday occurrences.  It is God's work that my car runs.  It is
God's work that I make it to work safely.  It is God's work that Sarah does
not catch a virus.  It is God's work that her medications heal her.  All of
these things are the evidences that God has created a miracle by choosing to
love even me.

Brenda

"Do not believe in miracles.  Rely on them."  I don't know who says these
                                              things.
"Ignore that man behind the curtains." - The Wizard to Dorothy and Co. in "The
                                         Wizard of Oz."
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:36:06 -0500
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      question about unborn babies

All of this talk about abortion, Roe vs. Wade et.al.
brings me to a question I have had for some time. I think this will
be particularly directed towards the Catholic brothers and sisters.

I hesitate to even bring up something I learned from Hollywood...but does
anyone ever remember seeing the flick "The Seventh Sign" with Demi Moore?
This was the first time I had ever heard of the concept of "The Guff" where
the souls of babies reside before being conceived into the womb of a woman.
I know for a fact that there is nothing about this in my Bible. But somehow
I take it that it may come from some of the Apocryphal books, or it may be
connected with Catholic tradition.

Please understand, Im not blasting it. It may have been a Hollywood creation
for all I know. But if it is a part of anyone's theology or tradition, I would
just like to learn a little bit about it. Where is The Guff desribed? On
what authority? Is it orthodox or more legendary belief?

One reason I ask is this: I recently heard a preacher (on TV) whom I respect
and enjoy listening to, give testimony to an experience of having a vision
of being caught up into heaven. I know, that everywhere you hear of individuals
who have had visions of Heaven, and this is nothing new. But this individual,
in the way he described it, captured my attention more so than anyone ever
has. It seemed to "bear witness" with me. Well, one part of what he said
about the souls of the unborn was so close to what I remembered from
"The Seventh Sign", well it was just uncanny! I'm not endorsing anyone's
vision of heaven or any doctrine concerning the Guff, which certainly does
not appear in the canon of scriptures which I adhere to. Im just a seeker
of truth, and curious! By the way, I also *DO NOT* get my theology from
Hollywood, and I certainly do not recommend that you do! It just peaked
my curiosity. "The Seventh Sign" was a good movie, though although I
certainly didn't consider it scriptural.....Some ramblings......Mark

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