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From: cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook)
Subject: Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!
Followup-To: "Sail on Sailor" 
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:07:27 GMT

Do I remember the "Sail on Sailor" ad?  I was actually going to mention
that one too, when I asked about Mr. Tomato.  I do miss late-night
television commercials in Rochester.


Now for another trivia question.  What band played "Let's go surfing in
the Barge Canal?"  I cannot remember the answer to this either.

.
From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:02:05 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <93005.171305MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu writes:
>There are lots of good stuff up there (now that I'm in DC I miss it).
>You should seriously consider getting a map and driving around to check
>out the smaller wineries.  I grew up in Wayne County (your next door neighbor)
>and I spent many an hour touring a lot of these places -
>
>check out Bully Hill and Konstantin's (?) on Keuka
>check out rt. 14 on Seneca (Four Chimney's, Glenora, among *many* other
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Four Chimneys sells *organic* wines. Definitely worth checking out.
Reasonably priced as well, but hard to find since many distributers
won't stock it. I guess it's possibly less stable?  

I drove down to Seneca Lake specifically to get a case of same, and I'm
not disappointed. They have a lot of variety, too.

Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:56:06 GMT


The Oriskany Battlefield...the Root Glen...pizza or pasta in Cavallo's
back room...RFA stadium football...the Blue Sox...the blinking neon
Paul Revere sign...the Paul Revere Motel...the Beeches...Harts Hill Inn...
the Truck Route...turkey joints from the Candyland Restaurant...Daddy's
Drive In...Lyle Bosley, Bill Carroll, Dick Lawler...fried eggplant at
Symeon's...kibbee at Baraty's...shopping at Mills Factory, the Boston
Store, Simpkins, Goldbergs, Doyle Knower, and Kanoffs...the drum pageant...
Jervis Library...Griffiss AFB...Ed Hanna..."the Munstitute"...the 
Parkway...Val Bialas...Utica Zoo-zoo-zoo, how about you-you-you...
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From: hirvo001@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:21:06 GMT


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From: freedman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paula J. Freedman)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:27:30 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <C0Etux.ACx@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
>
>	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?
>	

you think the western new york economy could survive as a seperate
entity when 75% of the population is content to work for five bucks an
hour?  get within the ozone.

let's keep talking about wines.  it's less offensive and more
tasteful.  flame if you care to.

peej.
From: v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1993Jan4.050244.24592@ee.rochester.edu>, jerry@ee.rochester.edu (Jerry Seward) writes...
>In article <1993Jan4.021732.26200@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) 
>writes:
> 
>>Let's take "Cheektowaga" for example.  White collar folks around Buffalo  
>>pronounce the home of the Walden Galleria Cheek-toe-waa-guh while blue collar  
>>types say Chick-tuh-wah-guh.  I've even heard it pronounced Chick-a-tuh-va-guh  
>>by some.  Cheektowaga is Iroquois for "crabapple tree", although I heard it  
>>actually meant "bowling alley" :)
> 
>I thought that Cheektowaga was Iroquois for "near the airport."

I would say that "bowling alley" is probably correct considering that the
airport is IN Cheektowaga; not "near" it.

Don't forget that in Iroquois, "Williamsville" means "land of the rich white
people."  =)

 The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.  
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From: imes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes)
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:01:24 GMT

In article <GOLDM.93Jan7111147@sage4a.rpi.edu> goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.004623.24658@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:

>Include Westchester County with New York. I think New Amsterdam may be a more
>likely choice than Iroqois, but who knows?

Nah, only the Hudson river valley area has anything to with Amsterdam, wheras
the rest of the state is based on the Iroquois nation ((e.g. Oneida, Mohawk,
Cheektowaga and every other suburb of Buffalo, ....).  Iroquois also has a nice
ring to it.
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From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Cheektowaga
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:34:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1993Jan6.215009.9676@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> jimi@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Jim Mack) writes:
...
>Actually, if you were really from upstate, you'd know better than admit that
>you come from a place like Cheektowaga and you'd be more apt to be ambiguous
>and just say you're from Buffalo.  Better still, outright lie and tell people
>you're from Rochester (much cleaner and nicer than the industrial pit of
>buffalo) where "upstate" really applies.  I mean let's face it, being a Bills
>fan is a great thing to be, but Buffalo's only positive aspect is the simple
>fact that Canada (and all of its wonderful beer products) are in very short
>proximity.  Oh yeah.....and the wings are the best!!!

Gee thanks! I really needed to be humbled as to my choice of location.  I
was getting carried away thinking how good the university is, and how
wonderful, friendly and warm the community...  a really progressive
political view in the town, the food co-ops, the collective whole grain
bakery ...  Did I mention the local art scene?  Or the music scene?  The
central location wrt major cities like Toronto, Chicago, NY, Boston, Philly,
DC? Accessibility to smaller cities such as Rochester or Hamilton (both of
which are major polluters in their own right)?  There's less snow than in
Syracuse and we get more sun than Rochester.

Besides, I like the abbreviation: "Bflo".  'S'got character, no?

Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:47:01 GMT
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Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: fms@sw.stratus.com's message of 7 Jan 93 22:31:09 GMT


In article <1iiavdINNqod@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie) writes:

   In article <2002c9k@rpi.edu>, kasprj@sage4a.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
   > [...]
[snip]

   >  * Merge Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island, and make Suffolk 
   >    County part of that state.
   >  
   >  * New York got split into four states: New Amsterdam (NYC, Nassau, 
   >    Westchester, and Rockland counties, plus Hudson, Bergen, Union 
   >    and Passaic counties in NJ), Catskill (the lower Hudson valley 
   >    up to Greene County, and west to Port Jervis), Adirondack 
   >    (everything from Columbia County up to the Canadian border, 
   >    western boundary around Utica-Rome, including the Adirondack Park
   >    and all of Vermont), and Seneca (the western part of NYS). I think
   >    we decided to just nuke Buffalo till it glowed.
   >  
   > [...]


   Interesting idea, Jim...

   But you should probably take everything in Massachusetts west of Springfield
   and put it in whichever of these New York puppies gets Albany (Adirondack?), 
   because nobody in Massachusetts believes there's anything west of Springfield, 
   anyways (besides which, that section of Mass is as conservative as central New 
   York State -- I always feel rather like I'm still in Cooperstown when I go out
   there.  


Are you KIDDING?

I take it you've never been to Amherst or Northampton.  
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From: hirvo001@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:10:09 GMT

In article <38299@cbmvax.commodore.com> kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:
>Has anyone got any recommendations for decent wines from the Finger Lakes
>region? Growing up in Rochester, it seems that the only wines from the area
>were *deathly* sweet (eg. Lake Niagra, cheap blush wines, etc.). I know there
>have been many small wineries opening in the region over the past few years
>and I'd appreciate any info/suggestions.   
>
Here are a few for you.  I worked at Wagner Vinyards on Seneca so try these:
'91 Gewurtz - not super sweet and has a nice "spritzy" feeling
Any of the Chardonnays - not sweet and all with a fairly complex taste without
a complex price.
They have a variety of Rieslings that are also quite good.  They have dry and
sweet Rieslings.
They are good about describing wines to you and of course you are welcome to
do a tasting.  
They have a cafe out there that, in the summer, is nice to sit, drink your
wine and look at the incredibly beautiful view of Seneca Lake at.
Talk to Rhea if you want to call (1-607-582-6574) and tell her Heidi
Hirvonen referred you.
I live in Minnesota now and there is NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING that compares
to the good 'ole NY Wines and Wine Trails!  (ahh, the memories)
Happy Wining!
Heidi


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From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:40:41 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <38299@cbmvax.commodore.com> kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:
>Has anyone got any recommendations for decent wines from the Finger Lakes
>region? Growing up in Rochester, it seems that the only wines from the area
>were *deathly* sweet (eg. Lake Niagra, cheap blush wines, etc.). I know there
>have been many small wineries opening in the region over the past few years
>and I'd appreciate any info/suggestions.   

Check out the Seyval Blanc (among others) from the Hosmer Winery  on Rte. 89.
I agree with you re: Lake Niagara. . . might as well swill cheap muscatel!
But Western New York *does* have some fine wineries with excellent quality
wines. . . Woodbury's, for example.

[OK. . . so Tunk Hosmer and George Woodbury are old friends. . . they *still*
produce good wines!]

Jo Meachem
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Cheektowaga
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 05:01:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.215009.9676@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> jimi@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Jim Mack) writes:
>>If you were *really* from upstate NY, and *really* a Bills Fan, you would
>>*know* that that is HOW ABOUT *THEM* BILLS!! 
>Actually, if you were really from upstate, you'd know better than admit that
>you come from a place like Cheektowaga and you'd be more apt to be ambiguous
>and just say you're from Buffalo.  Better still, outright lie and tell people
>you're from Rochester (much cleaner and nicer than the industrial pit of
>buffalo) where "upstate" really applies.  I mean let's face it, being a Bills
>fan is a great thing to be, but Buffalo's only positive aspect is the simple
>fact that Canada (and all of its wonderful beer products) are in very short
>proximity.  Oh yeah.....and the wings are the best!!!

I disagree.  I left Buffalo 8.5 years ago to take a job here in Northern
California and I still miss the place; if the job situation there was close
to what it is here, I'd have moved back long ago.

Even more impressive to me is that my wife, who grew up in San Francisco,
also appreciated many aspects of the Buffalo area.

The people are a good deal friendlier than folks around here.  Housing prices
are about a quarter of the prices here.  The cultural scene is very nice,
what with the Albright-Knox art gallery, several historical museums.  The
architecture is great, including several Frank Lloyd Wright houses.  And
they taught Operation Rescue a lesson they'll never forget...

Go Bills.

    don
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From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Subject: Re: Best wings in the Capdist
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:11:27 GMT

monitn@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto) writes:

>For those of you still in the Capital District area who want to debate this 
>further, the 4th (5th? something like that) annual Q-104 WingDing for Easter
>Seals is coming soon. I only heard the end of a piece on the radio today, so
>I couldn't get the time and place. As soon as I do, I'll post them here. It
>probably won't settle the argument, but it's a good chance to do some active
>research... :)

>Nick
>monitn@rpi.edu

When will it be held?  Since I am often in the Capital District (my in-laws
live in Amstergosh, a/k/a The Mohawk Valley, a/k/a Leatherstocking Country),
I might like to check it out...

-Bruce
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Williamsville!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:25:08 GMT

v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER) writes:

: Don't forget that in Iroquois, "Williamsville" means "land of the rich white
: people."  =)

Contrary to popular belief, Williamsville does have its share of poor people.   
Recently, however, they both had to move out when the Amherst Highway  
Department realigned North Forest Road.  The former residents are currently on  
display at the Amherst Colony Museum in an exhibit called "Poverty in Amherst,  
1989-1992.

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From: etxmow@garboc29.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:14:51 GMT

yaros@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (Steve Yaros) writes:

>When my wife and I visited the Biltmore Mansion in Asheville in September, the
>guides were boasting that a great deal of the picture was filmed right on the 
>extensive property of the mansion itself.

     I understand that the film was shot in both North Carolina and
     upstate N.Y. My question is whether the final scenes were shot in
     North Carolina or New York. Being a European I was not aware that
     such scenery existed in the eastern U.S.A.


     Mats Winberg
     Stockholm, Sweden



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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Cheektowaga
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:19:15 GMT


> meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach) writes:
: an3149@anon.penet.fi (nomad) writes:

> Actually Cheektowaga stands for HOW ABOUT THOSE BILLS!!!
 
: If you were *really* from upstate NY, and *really* a Bills Fan, you would
: *know* that that is HOW ABOUT *THEM* BILLS!!!

If you were *really* from Cheektowaga/Sloan/Depew, and live, eat, sleep, drink  
and dream Bills, you would _know damn sure_ it's "OW BOUT DOSE DERE BILLS  
DERE!" 

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From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Wings
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:27:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

In article <C0pzyq.M2M@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin
Barnes) wrote:
> 
> I'm stuck here in Atlanta and long for the good wings of home. The best
> substiute that I have found are Tyson's frozen wings ( yes frozen). I get
> them at our local Sam's wharehouse and they are really good. If you
> do find them don't get the breaded ones get the deep fried kind (yellow and
> red bag).

Ack, I'm so sorry for you.  Frozen wings is all you can find? I'm not
surprised, the south hasn't been known for good wings.  C'mon,
alt.culture.ny-upstate'ers, let's pool together and send Kevin some
Scubber's Atomic Wings via FedEx.  Might still be warm when they get there.

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From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:13:02 GMT

psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:


>	Would it be beneficial to form a new state separate from NYC?
>	

Didn't some of the northern counties try to join Vermont recently?

(my opinion when I lived in NY the answer to Robert's question is "yes" but
I'd rather not see any more NYC flaming myself)

-Mike
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From: an3149@anon.penet.fi (nomad)
Subject: Cheektowaga
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:16:02 GMT

Actually Cheektowaga stands for HOW ABOUT THOSE BILLS!!!

Nomad
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From: hirvo001@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Up-State "SNOW"
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:29:36 GMT

I'm from Ithaca, and it seemed they didn't do such a shabby job for a little
town.  Maybe to them it was more of a "do or die" situation since we have
some killer hills.  I guess it helps to have a car that's also AT LEAST
front wheel drive.
Heidi

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From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say...
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan4.050244.24592@ee.rochester.edu>, jerry@ee.rochester.edu (Jerry Seward) writes...
>In article <1993Jan4.021732.26200@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) 
>writes:
> 
>>Let's take "Cheektowaga" for example.  White collar folks around Buffalo  
>>pronounce the home of the Walden Galleria Cheek-toe-waa-guh while blue collar  
>>types say Chick-tuh-wah-guh.  I've even heard it pronounced Chick-a-tuh-va-guh  
>>by some.  Cheektowaga is Iroquois for "crabapple tree", although I heard it  

>>actually meant "bowling alley" :)
shouldn't Cheektowaga really be spelled "Czyktowaga" given its Polish population?

>I thought that Cheektowaga was Iroquois for "near the airport."
From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Best wings in the Capdist
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:42:09 GMT
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In article <C02xqJ.4FD@wang.com>, bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum) writes:
> [...]
> 
> The Ale House still exists?  There is a God!!!!!  I useta hang out there in
> my 'Tute years ('69- '75).  Cheap beer, decent sandwiches, lots of atmos-
> phere.  Of course, atmosphere was different then.
> 

One of my favorite memories from my 'Tute years ('81-'85ish) was going down
to the Alehouse on April Fool's Day for the steamed clams.  I was with Mike
Weisberg, who is 6'7" and was in full mime makeup; I was wearing bull's horns
on my head.

Ya gotta wonder what sort of effect that had on the guys who were sitting
at the bar that night...   :-)

But the Alehouse certainly was one of the better places to get good, reasonably
priced food when we got tired of McD's and pizza.  Now if it were just in a
better neighborhood...  

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