From: raj@aquila.sni-usa.com (Raj Alur)
Subject: RE: MEN OF EASTERN ORIGIN
Reply-To: raj@aquila.sni-usa.com (Raj Alur)
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Information Systems, Inc. Cambridge, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:13:58 GMT



In article <1992Jul28.132955@daffy.mc.ti.com>, a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com
(savithri) writes:
> 
> I have recieved several E mails from people who want
> to know the reason for my outburst and bitterness. Since
> I do not have the time to respond to each one, I decided
> to reply to them in SCI.  
>

That still does not qualify "your emotional outburst" to require a rational
response.  You would have had a different reaction had you posted this to
begin with.

 
> First of all not ONE reader read my posting without jumping
> ahead. In my sweeping generalization, I had quoted 98% of the
> men are SCUMS (I would say I am being optimistic, considering
> the staggering population in those areas!).  As for giving reasons
> I am at a loss as to where to start.  The first incident occured when
> I was in the fifth grade and a father (in a convent) grabbed me and
> tried to kiss me!(Please don't sart religious wars here!).  I was afraid
> of relating this to my folks for fear of punishment. 
>

The biggest story these days in Massachussets is about a priest who abused
young kids (male & female). So that may be symptomatic of a different problem
i.e sexual repression. (No flames). 

> Several of my girl friends, my sisters and I (in college days) used to 
> exchange our horrible experiences on the roads and buses.  The
> humiliating things that we were subjected to in terms of being 
> made passes at etc.  I used to enjoy the circus as most kids do. 
> However, after the one I went to in my seventh grade, I decided that I
> would never go to any area where there were such a multitude of human
> animals on the loose.  I still bitterly recall the several brushings and
> fingerings from the sleezy characters who are in complete charge
> because of their sheer number.  
> 

That is an accurate description of the state of affairs. However consider 
this statement in the same vein as your original comment.

"98% (purely arbitrary) of married Indian womon worship their husbands as
 God"

Therefore Eastern Woman are air-headed bunch of bovine trash.


> if they don't, too bad they have no choice.  Perhaps if something happened
> to their near and dear ones it may sink in ( which I hope does not for
th> women's sake).  Some people have said that time will bring about changes.
> I must disagree, TIME never solved anything.  Humans create the problem and
> only humans can solve the problem.  The first step in solving is in
recognizing
> that it exists, no matter how painful it may be.

I agree we have a problem. The symptom of the problem is the abusive behaviour 
of a large segment of Indian males. If it is your intention to solve this
human-created menace then it is necessary to analyse the cause of the problem
as oposed to a diatribe of the symptoms.


> Just as the scums on the road get their cheap thrills (from brushings etc!)
> the more learned (?) get it from harassing or subjugating their wives
to their
> will.  I have spent a considerable portion of my time as a student trying to 
> understand why women tolerate such atrocities.  All too often it is purely 
> for economic reasons.  As it is the unemployment rate among the educated is
> fairly high.  On top of that think about the millions of women who were not
> fortunate to recieve any (especially in poorer sections where the parents
> do everything in their means to give the best for their male
children).  These
> women have no hopes for anything other than spending their life on this earth
> under the tyranny of their husband and produce off-springs.  It is imbibed
> in their blood that the male species is the superior one (having seen it
> in their household from day one) and hence they go ahead and
perpetrate the same
> evil in the society.  Men have no intention or desire to change anything
> since the society works to their advantage. 

So there are two causes of the problem from your analysis:
a) Economic dependence of woman on men and therefore the tolerance of abuse.
b) A society that persuades the concept of male superiority.

Now this is true even in the U.S. If we talk of degrees of problem, then that's
a different issue. The problem is very severe in India and has to be dealt
with along with other "severe" problems like "malnutrition",  high infant
mortality and other very severe economic problems.

> 
> Coming to the middle and upper classes, if one sees a happy couple who have
> respect for each other, then the unhappy ones quip, " oh! he is a jorooh-ka-
> gulam" (for those who do not understand the term, it means a hen-pecked
> husband).  Just as a side note: for all you people who concluded that I am
> a frustrated female who has been dumped or cannot find a good guy, I am sorry
> to burst your bubble.  I have been happily (if that is  possible when
one sees
> the silent and hopeless sufferings of women) for more than 12 years and guess
> what, that too to an INDIAN guy.  It pains me to see that men and worse still
> the women who are blind to all this evil in those socities.  I am fully aware
> that there are numerous problems in this country, but having been a volunteer
> for several years in a battered women's program, I know that there is always
> help available here for women who want to break away from the abuser and
> start a new life.  The welfare system together with counseling and
jobs outside
> have helped innumerable women. 

It would warm my heart to know that you are doing this in India.


>> Suffice to say that I maintain my original position
> that more than 98% of the MEN of EASTERN origin are SCUMS.
>

If your original intention was or is to proclaim your position with gusto,
then I have no argument (nor can you complain about other's reaction and
position). On the other hand if you are looking for solution and salvation 
(even discussing them) for the depraved womon of India, then you have to 
engage in a better form of journalism.

> 
> savithri


I sympathise with your emotions but not your words.


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Raj

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