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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
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Subject: Excalibur
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:39:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Gosh, right after i post a mild gripe about Davis' writing, he comes back
with something like the new issue of Excalibur.  THIS is what an X-Book is
supposed to be.  A sense of history.  Character development/realistic
interaction.  Sub-plots from years ago coming back unexpectedly.  I love
it.  I'm still not real pleased with Farmer's inks, though, even though
this issue was quite a bit above standard Marvel fare.

JRjr
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just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Origin of Quote Question
    <92232.150322ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:54:13 GMT

I'm not sure what you mean by the origin of Gambit's "Bang...you dead,"
but I'll let you on a bit of my childhood.

We used to play "Army" in the fields in my neighborhood.  Since I had the
misfortune to not live in a major city, we (the neighborhood kids and I),
didn't have access to real guns.  So, when we ambushed and "shot" the 
"enemy," we shouted, "BANG!" (or something similar), and let them know,
verbally, that they should consider themselves hosed.

I suspect that this might be the ultimate origin of Marvel's use of the
phrase.

We now return you to your current Usenet non-life.  I'm going back to mine,
too.

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From: cgilmore@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Gilmore)
Subject: Re: Rachel Summers' Timeline problems
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:31:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.222501.561@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>OK Marvel REALLY FUBARed with Rachel Summers.  In the future she comes from
>described by Kate Pryde in Uncanny X-Men #141-142 (Classic 45-46, I believe)
>it is the murder of presidential candidate Robert Kelly by the Brotherhood
>of Evil Mutants that creates thier timeline and in addition the Brotherhood 
>killed Xavier and MacTaggert on Hallowe'en 1980.  This sadly DOES NOT fit
>Rachel's memories OR the timeline discribed by the Phoenix in Excaliber #52.
>
*Arguments about Phoenix's motives deleted*

	Of course, it's always possible that by preventing the assassination
of Kelly, another cause for the massacre was created.  Or maybe this is an
alternate Rachel... Or maybe the whole thing confuses them as much as it
confuses us...

	And with the exception of Jean Grey, all of the X-Men, as well as Kurt
and Kitty, knew that the assassination attempt was supposed to trigger the
massacres.

	Personally, every time they bring in a new "future" I just ignore it
in hopes that it'll go away... ;)

				Chris

.sig?  .SIG?!?!?  We don't need no stinkin' .sig's!

>
>Any comments about this welcome.


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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: Gambit and his powers...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:35:30 GMT

In article <Btyxt2.I32@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew William Somers) writes:
>
>    A guy I know and I keep getting into an argument about Gambit and
>what his actual powers are.  So far we agree that he can charge objects
>with kinetic energy, which will explode on impact.
>    What we don't agree on is wether or not he has superhuman agility,
>and wether or not his influencing abilty is a mutant power or just
>a skill he's developed.
>    His point of view:  Just take a look at the listing for Gambit in
>new Marvel Universe Deluxe thing.(I don't know the actual title)  It 
>states that Gambit has "peak human" agility.  And it list his influencing
>abilty under skills, and not powers.
>    My point of view:  Just read the comic and take a look at the Marvel
>role-playing game.(I know the game isn't cannnon, but it is usually 
>accurate with the comics.)  In the comic book, Gambit dodges bullets.
>What else is there to say?  Captain America is peak human and he can't 
>dodge bullets.  Besides, in issue 4 Rogue mentioned that Gambit had
>superhuman agility as a power during the basketball game.  As for Gambit's
>ability to persuade people, didn't the Shadow King make some comment as 
>to how Gambit's power could have affected even him, given enough time.
>Besides, the Marvel Universe didn't even list thieving abilities under
>Gambits skills.
>   Help me out guys.  Which one of us is right?
>
>                                 Matt Somers
Well, do not forget his "psychic invisibility," which allowed him to sneak
into the Shadow King's home.  So far, it is an ace he has yet to play...

-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_
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Subject: Re: Rogue fans want to Absorb Knowledge
From: <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 09:49:15 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Oh, JOY! More Rogue questions!

No, Rogue's not been doing much absorbing lately. I don't have my master
chronology at hand, but the last one (chronologically) I can remember would
probably be...  hmmm...  fud. Search me. Most recent example of her absorbing
is actually in the most recent Marvel Comics quarterly, which had a patched-
on story off Claremont's last Ms. Marvel script, which finally shows in "real
time" the battle between Rogue and Ms. Marvel (and which also commits its
own continuity errors, but for comments on that see the upcoming Rogue Fan
Club newsletter, the Stripe). Of course, this is hardly her most recent use
of her power, but it is the most current presentation of it.

Off hand, I don't remember her absorbing anybody since she got bopped through
the Siege Perilous (discounting her "absorb-off" against Carol-mind-controlled-
zombie-Danvers). Which would put her last definite use of absorption against
Colossus (!), waaaay back in the Master Mold/Nimrod slag-off. If anyone has
better memories, please fill me in.

So, she's a brick. A bigger mystery for me is why JLee always drew her flying
with one leg bent.

>>>>>  CTHULHU IN '92! -- Why vote for the LESSER evil?  <<<<<
In related news:  George Bush is the Anti-Kate. Details at 11.
David Henry/Rogue Fan Club    HHJJ!       (ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet)
(dhenry@nodak.plains.edu)                 (ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu)
What was your question? --K //Thanks... for the memories. -- Rogue
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: A few miscellaneous X-questions (Rogue and Empath)
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.164606.12364@tamsun.tamu.edu> jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.052033.13207@news.columbia.edu> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>>  I have a few questions about the xbooks I was wondering if the
>>people out in netland could answer...
>>
>>  1)  In between the two most recent issues of Classic X-men, Rogue's
>>hair changed from her older twin temple-stripes to her current single
>>central "skunk" stripe.  Do these issues repring consecutive issues of
>>X-men?  (There wasn't any indication I could find in the most recent
>>issue of which issue it was reprinting.)  If not, was there any
>>explanation of how her hair changed?
>
>I remember reading something about this long ago.  I think it was in a letter
>column, but I don't really remember.  Anyhow, someone asked something similar
>to this, and the answer was something along the lines of she decided to change
>her hair style, or is combing it different.  Anyway, the answer was a brush-
>off, and nothing more was ever said.

Gee wiz, a little clairol, a little peroxide ... not tough. As one writer
put it, "We've had female super heros with a wardrobe for years, so why not
let them change their hair?"

Topher
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:31:34 GMT
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <brian_vickers-310892093137@137.79.110.112> brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers) writes:
>Okay so I'm reading the Classic X-Men that came out last week, and while
>Wolverine is going out for revenge against the poisoners of the X-Men,
>Rogue mentions the the reason the poison didn't effect her was because
>she's HALF-ALIEN! Needless to say this took me by surprise.
>
>So what's the scoop? Is this true, or is this something that was written
>away in later issues?

Well, she absorbed the traits of Carol Danvers, who was half-kree, or
something.  It's been basically ignored since then.  I suppose she still
has those traits, even though the Carol Danvers personality is gone.  I
wonder if she retains the sixth sense, though.  (I don't think I'll ever
forgive Claremont for killing Carol after Rogue went through the Seige
Perilous, though--Some of the most interesting storylines involved Carol
and Rogue getting along with each other)

BTW, is anyone besides me hoping that the Magneto Limited Series coming out
next year not bring Mags back from the dead?  (A good alternative would be
telling the story behind how Magneto tried to attack the shadow king by
himself, but was humiliated into defeat...)


//Karthik Sheka
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:09:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <brian_vickers-310892093137@137.79.110.112> brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers) writes:

>Okay so I'm reading the Classic X-Men that came out last week, and while
>Wolverine is going out for revenge against the poisoners of the X-Men,
>Rogue mentions the the reason the poison didn't effect her was because
>she's HALF-ALIEN! Needless to say this took me by surprise.

>So what's the scoop? Is this true, or is this something that was written
>away in later issues?

That was a reference to the powers that she 'permanently' absorbed from
Ms. Marvel.  MM had her physique altered by a Kree device called the
Psyche-Magnetron resulting in her being half-human/half-Kree.

I suppose that since Rogue was half herself and half MM, it would have
been more accurate to describe her as one quarter alien. I-)
Although it could be argued that since she absorbed MM's powers, her
physical state altered to accommodate them (as has been shown when
she absorbed other primarily physical powers).

It has been dropped, since she no longer possesses MM's powers & psyche.
(So telepaths can read her mind now, right?? I-)

						James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Cable #1 is out - Spoilers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:08:22 GMT
Keywords: biff! bang! pow! <- actually thats a good book too.

In article <17k92cINNlo6@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) writes:
>
> Well, its out and we all get to know the whole story right? Or maybe you
>better wait till issue 2.
>
>{More spoiler-type stuff removed}

I have a question for those who read this book.  Did anybody compare (not
necessarily favorably) the bit with Cable and the Egyptian antiques expert
with scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark, or other Indy movies?  I just had
this weird sense of deja vu...the mercenary good-guy who wears a suit and
tie most of the time, then gets decked out in swashbuckling attire when 
on a "mission" seems familiar...

Just curious if this was coincidence or a blantant rip-off.

The Walrus


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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Prof.X, his school, and higher education
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 06:55:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:


> A few amusing thoughts and questions:

>   What is Professor Xavier's degree in, and which college did he attend?

>   Considering that the X-men's headquarters is supposed to be a school,
>   what is its goal and core cirriculum?

To train mutants in using their power for good.  Or at least there was a 
purpose at one point.

>     I remember years ago Xavier giving Kitty Pryde a private class in
>   learning the controls of the Blackbird and she said that fairytale
>   story to Illyana in Russian and the rest of the team were outside
>   gagging at the story,so they all learned Russian. At least there was
>   an effort made in showing the X-men as students, not just super heroes.

>     Interestingly, I had read in one of the Byrne issues that Magneto
>   had studied and done research into Physics and magnetism in order to
>   sharpen his mutant power. (He even bragged to himself that he could win
>   the Nobel prize and recieve critical acclaim in the science world if he
>   wanted to.) IMHO, that was a good attempt at giving him some dimension
>   in that he had to read up on magnetism.

>     It seems that the smartest X-man is Hank McCoy (Beast).

Kitty was supposed to be very bright, too.  But I think Hank has one of those
marvelous Marvel degrees...a PhD, even.  (Yet Peter Parker can't yet
graduate after 30 years ;).

>     Where did Xavier get all that money to own that huge estate let alone
>   to rebuild and maintain that huge mansion? What about the neighbors?

Back in the old days, when they wrote some interesting stories, they
used to deal with stuff like this.  I think after Kitty trashed the
X-Mansion evading the demon they showed Xavier borrowing money from 
Warren.

>     I really wish that they could give the current characters more dimension
>   as they did in the past.

Amen to that!  And no, I don't consider showing all characters in skimpy
bathing suits giving them dimension. ;)

Sue
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From: chinm@aix.rpi.edu (Mang Shing Chin)
Subject: Re: Excalibur #55 ***SPOILERS***
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:34:07 GMT

In article <rlcarr.057g@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:
>You wuz warned...

>
>My, my, my, my, my...
>
>Well, talk about dangling plotlines coming home to roost...
>(3) Heeeee's baaaaack...Jamie Braddock has returned, and according
>    to the letters page, Vixen will be back next ish as well.
>I continue to be amazed at the pace at which Davis is closing up loose
>ends.

I may be wrong on this, but isn't Nigel Frobisher actually Vixen?
>
>Now, as for the killings...
>Again, who actually dies depends on exactly what Jamie can and wants to do.
>However, my guess is that Alysdane and Meggan are dead for good :( and Kurt
>and the rest are just injured to various degrees.

Remember we're talking about comics here.  Alysdane may be dead, but I
really doubt Meggean is.

>Guess we'll have to wait for #56 to find out more....
>
and eager awaiting it...

MSC

-- 
      "When I need a little free advice about Saddam Hussein,
       I turn to country music."  -- President George Bush"
---------chinm@aix.rpi.edu-----------------------------------------------------
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:49:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug29.181051@IASTATE.EDU> mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler) writes:
 
>PS any thoughts on the above mentioned _Hell's Angel_ title?

Well, being the x-zombie that i am, i've been picking up all the various
x-appearances in the Marvel UK titles.  I've been terribly unimpressed, and
i really hope they all get cancelled in the near future so the pointless
crossovers will end.  The x-men in Hell's Angel seem to have even less of a
personality than they do in their own book, and aren't drawn as well.  The
story has at least been mildly entertaining, though (beats the crud out of
WarHeads...).

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>
>This character was also *RUINED* by Simonson, the worst writer ever

She has that distinction only because R.L. cannot be called a "writer" by 
any stretch of the imagination...


>: Magneto
>Let's see... is he a good guy or a bad guy this week?

The only thing certain is that he's not really dead. 

>: The Hellions
>
>Hmmm.... I think Simonson was shot before she could ruin them. She tried!
>Last seen: well... who knows?

They had their life-energies absorbed around Uncanny 282 (3? 4?), to create
time-travel portals.  This was the same issue that introduced Bishop.
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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
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Subject: The Latest Xmen and their Letter page
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:22:01 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Did anyone check out the letter page of the last Xmen issue?
I just about tossed my cookies when I read the brainwashed 
fanboy letter about Gambit and "How much can he charge up?!"
Marvel really does only print the letters from people who 
kiss up!  I ought to write one dripping with sarcasm and 
see if they will print it...  In fact if any of you out there
decide to send one in and it DOES get printed... Please let
me in on the joke! You'll be able to tell mine, cuz if you
lick it, it will be sticky sweet goo!
					wReam...

P.S.  What was the point for the last two issues of the 
Xmen???  What a completely USELESS plot!  It went NOWHERE
and Nothing happened...

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From: scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Sean Edward Costain)
Subject: Re: The Good Old Days Moved!
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 00:49:19 GMT

>Seems about right, but I thought that Avalanche was given a choice between
>either escaping with Crimson Commando, and the both of them living, or
>waiting for Blob and Pyro, and possibly getting all of them killed.  But


	Avalanche had the choice of saving the life of Crimson Commando or
waiting for blob and pyro. CC was in pieces to the best of my memory and
was near death. I guess Avalanche felt sorry for his leader and decided to
bug out. 

	Dae Aini
From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Cable (possible Spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:44:33 GMT
Keywords: Cable Xmen Xforce NewMutants

In article <1992Sep3.232256.23475@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>Warning Possible Spoilers follow:
>
>   [mucho stuff deleted]
>
>I know this is going to lead to the Cable/Apocalypse duel in the
>big X-over, but I can't for the life of me figure out why. Why
>would Stryfe want these? What is the significance? Is it a plot
>to build the Apocalypse Gaunlet?  Will there be an Apocalypse War?
>I-)

What I have heard (here and in recent previews) is that Stryfe is going after
Apocalypse.  Apparently, the two Mutants-Who've-Existed-Since-The-Beginning-of-
Time-But-We've-Never-Seen-Either-One-Before are also old enemies.  Considering
that Stryfe may actually be an alternate-time version of Cable, who is really
Nathan Summers (I subscribe to that theory, at least), whom Apocalypse tried
to kidnap/kill/Do Something Really Nasty to, it kinda makes sense; despite 
their differences, Stryfe/Cable both have one really nagging desire to off
Apocalypse.

Assuming this is correct, I would've actually liked to see a storyline wherein
Stryfe and Apocalypse faced off--without *ever* including the X-people at all!
Something akin to Marvel Super-Villains, which had heroes from time to time
but mostly focused on the bad guys, would be perfect for this kind of story.
But does anyone ever ask *me*?  NooooooooOOOOoooooo....:)

The Walrus


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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Marvel Girl/Woman
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:14:48 GMT

In article <67160@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>Also, the stuff that the telepaths were attempting to do was said to have
>been done before, some time in the past.  I can only figure that this is
>a reference to (Uncanny) X-Men, circa #65, when Professor X linked the minds
>of all the happy people on the earth to repulse the attack by the Z'nox, or
>whatever.  Is this really what they're referring to?  (If so, put the writer
>on an X-book NOW, because he has a better grasp on the X-Men than anyone
>writing them now.)
>
Yeah, this does seem to be what they're talking about.  I was also surprised
at that sudden flash of continuity. :)  Wonder whose idea it was?  I mean, did
Starlin remember the story, or did somebody remember it for him when he was
sitting there saying..."Meanwhile, on earth I've got all the major telepaths
linking the minds of everybody on the planet to help fend off the Magus."
<person of your choice> says, "Hey, we did that way back in an old issue of
X-Men!"  And the rest is history.

I also wondered at first why Charlie couldn't do it all by himself.  Have
his powers really weakened that much?  Or is it because he doesn't have the
time now he had then to prepare?  Probably the latter.  Either that, or it's
a goof on someone's part....

The Walrus


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