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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Active Noise Cancellation (was Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list))
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:26:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.190747.1080@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.020318.7865@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>What I want is noise-cancelling ear-plugs.  Cuts out random noise, but
>recognizes patterns, so allows engine whine (from cars), horns, and

Actually, you probably want it the other way around...  listening to
nothing but engine sounds for a long while gets boring...
Periodic noise is far easier to deal with than transients, anyhow.

>sirens.  And speech, maybe.  Wouldn't it be nice to talk to your pillion
>in a normal voice at speed, without an intercom?  :-)

Uh, if you've got active noise cancelling, you already have 99% of
a high quality intercom in place.  Wouldn't it be nice to talk to your
pillion in a quiet voice at speed, with an intercom?

>|Btw, current cost of the Sennheiser's is about 8 bills.  There's no

>Sorry, how much is a "bill"?  $1?  $100?  $1000?
 $800
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Moving to France and want to take my bike. QUESTIONS!
Date: 11 Dec 92 07:17:10 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Thursday December 10 1992 20:54, Dan Cook wrote to All:

 DC> It looks like I will be moving to France in a few months. I
 DC> got a post-doc in Grenoble. I have several questions:

Covet, covet. :-)

 DC> 1) Is anyone who reads this group from that area?

No, but been there.

 DC> 2) Does anyone on the net know the hows of shipping a bike
 DC> to that area?

Yes. If you plan to be there a while (like, more than 6 months), have a
crate made that is meant to be trashed after use. A standard crate, that is.
Contact a shipping company to handle the paperwork. It will cost more, but
you will have to convince US Customs and French Customs you will be bringing
the moto back when your post-doc is finished. If you can convince the French
that about yourself, the moto isn't all that hard. Ship it by sea, which takes
longer, but is 1/2 as expensive. Make sure moto is "vacuum sealed" in plastic
inside the crate, and its not a bad idea to spray the whole thing with WD40.
The shipper will tell you about draining the tank and airing it out, draining
the water (if any), whatever their particular rules are. The shipper will also
handle the paperwork, and Customs. You will pick it up once it clears Customs,
probably in Calais at a dock warehouse. Get there as soon as possible, don't
let the crate sit around in a warehouse, or you won't have a moto.

I shipped ma moto to France by air, and the drill is just about the same. The
important thing is to contract a reliable international shipper. Get the price
in a contract in advance. Where are you shipping from? Expediters International
is one US company I can speak highly of from experience. They did my shipment,
and it came off like clockwork.

 DC> 3) Does anyone know what kind of regulations there are
 DC> regarding licensing and registration of a bike there?

I am not sure on the license, but most likely you will just run your US plates
and registration. If French Customs doesn't insist you register it, don't.
The shipper can tell you more. I was told a US driver's license was fine in
France, and it turned out to be true. In fact, its fine anywhere in Western
Europe.

John

--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
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From: hart@cheshire (James A. Hart)
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was:Helmets)
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:47:49 GMT

ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:
: I caught part of a scary thing on the News last night.
: Turns out that Cannada has banned infant crawlers and the
: U.S. may do the same.  Why? Because X number (I can't remember
: 28,000 mabey 2,800? anybody else see this spot) of babies are
: hurt (burned, braindamaged...) every year in this country.
: So the AMA (that's the medical one) is trying to get them banned.
: Even though in all cases it was due to parental neglect.
: 
: I would have thought they would have started out with a Helmet
: law for infant crawlers.  I can see the balck market waiting in
: the wings now.  "Hey, babe..you with the tiwns, I can set you up
: with some tasty infant crawlers...just $200 for both!".  Man how
: long do you think it'll take the AMA to try the same thing with
: motorcycles. Because X number of die every year...
: 
: Oh well, stock up on those infant crawlers and mabey you can make 
: the bucks for that moto you always wanted...do it now while you 
: still can.
: 
: I can see it now: the court battle of the AMA's.  Lets just hope 
: they loose  this one, I guess?
: -- 
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Chris T. Ward  DoD#0710   "Don't take life too seriously, you can never come
:                            out of it alive."  -?
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------  
--
Actually to be fair, they also mentioned that a baby spending it`s learning
time in a walker isn't getting a fair start at the real thing.  Maybe my
parents shouldn't have gotten me that trike at age 2.  
I'm also suprised they didn't start off with a helmet law first!

'73 Yam Enduro : '82 Kaw GPZ550 : '85 Honda ATC-200x : '86 Yam YZ250
And no where NEAR enough garage space!

Name:        Jim Hart    N6JSS
InterNet:    hart@donald.etdesg.TRW.COM 
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.230605.24905@balrog.dseg.ti.com> keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
>
>I think we need to see the merchandise first.  How about scanning a picture
>of it?  While under load of course ;-)

OK, I'll get a sanpshot of the bra connected to our 50kV supply, and loaded
by a 10 nF capacitor.

Wise guy.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ahhhh, bike fix, but no room at the inn
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:48:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.152836.14842@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
>something for the R bike since it's new. Has anyone had experiences with 
>covered trailers or those bike "homes" advertised in the rags? How about 
>places to buy used covered trailers?

Try the local big stores: there were ice fishing sheds that were identical to 
the canvas/nylon sheds advertised in the back of the mags, but for only $150
for a 5x10 foot shelter.  I saw one at Wal-mart in Mason City.  Waterproof,
stake grommets inside to stake it down, no floor.

CP Tomes


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Anything except motorcycle hats 
Summary: Read it, and figure out your own.
Organization: 5 by 5
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:35:14 GMT

In article <BD.92Dec11074104@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>Listen, Blaine, Jeff has probably walked more miles (by a factor
>of anywhere from 2 to 10 times) than you have, and maybe you should
>consider spending a little more time walking and a little
>less time posting, eh?
>
>Also, please note that Jeff was doing this walking in decidedly
>adverse conditions (on stairs, in ice skates, in gym class) and
>you have to take that into account when you make comments
>about his walking ability.
  [...]

no, No, NO! Arrgh! I can't stand it anymore! [sob, sniffle] I'm trying
desperately to keep up with reading rec.moto and what do I find?
A whole bunch of boring, flaming posts about helmets and helmet laws.
Good, I thought, I can just skip past all of these - gracious me, there
must be 50 of them. Well, perhaps I had better just skim through a
few to see if it mutated into something interesting. Nope, nothing
amusing here. And, then ... there it was.  Something funny. No,
something very funny. Something hysterically funny! I laughed. I cried.
I kissed my spare time goodbye.

Now I am doomed to always dredge all of the mighty Amazon river of rec.
moto seeking the rare golden nuggets hidden under subject lines such as
"My Opinion About Helmet Laws and Everyone Ought To Agree With Me".
It only makes it worse that it wouldn't have been so funny if I hadn't
read that other dumb thread about "Bob Palin Falls Down Too Much - No,
He Doesn't, Nyah".

Someone, please help me, I beg of you. I've got a 1200 bps modem and
the speed (lack thereof) is killing me. Tell Santa that I want a
9600 bps modem for a Mac (internal or external). Even a 2400 bps one
would help greatly. Contributions to the "Buy Lissa a Decent Modem
Before She Perishes" fund will be gratefully accepted.


-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812
From: maxw@visionware.co.uk (Max Walshe)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Bike hire in the USA
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:44:33 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I am planning a fortnight touring somewhere in the USA (can't be more
specific at the momment) round about Febuary and would like some idea
of how much I can expect to dole out for a bike (pref 600cc +).

Also how old must you be, what driving license will be needed (i.e
is a full UK license suitable) and what is the deal on insurance.

Thanks in advance.....

Max
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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What's a click?
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:03:45 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Kevin Malloy (DoD #106) (kpm@druhi.ATT.COM) wrote:
: When I was in the Great White North on holiday (gawd I love Canada!),
: klicks seemed to mean km/h as in on the speedo.  Every biker-type I
: talked to used the term to mean speed.  A couple of people used the
: term "klicks" to refer to distance (as in, the next petro-chemical
: station is about 50 klicks down the Coq), but it was almost always
: used to describe speed.

Just to add another confusion factor to this thread, on top of Mt. Washington
in Hew Hampshire there is a description written by some weather observer
many years ago.  He measured the highest wind velocity ever recorded and
part of the description of the process is that he had to count the number
of 'clicks' made by the instrument and then convert clicks to mph by
calculating some conversion factor.
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* Computing Center at Virginia Tech, not Vermont ----------------------^^     *
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was:Helmets)
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:28:39 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>Yea, if god had meant for babies to be mobile, they'd have been born with
>motorcycles.

Sounds like a nasty birth process.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Organization: NOT

tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
]In article <946@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
]->tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
]->]Yup...10 feet at 65-70 is insane.  I would not ride my bike on a daily
]->]basis under these conditions.  I would get an 'urban vehicle'.  Maybe a
]->]large buick or caddy, beat to shit with huge steel bumpers.
]->
]->poser.
]->
]>
]Fool.

something I'd much rather be...

-- 
Joe
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: heated vests, advice wanted
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Distribution: rec
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

In article <7855@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (FOAF) writes:
> In article <ZOWIE.92Dec7230239@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>>
>>In fact, the field should be at most the same order of magnitude as
>>the Earth's natural electric field, which is a whopping 100V/meter!
>>[ref. `Lectures on Physics', Feynman et al, II-9-1]
>>-
> 
> 
> Well, it's obvious :-) that the long-term effects of the earth's
> fields are fatal, too. So what the heck. It just gauss to show you, no
> one gets out alive.

	:-)

	Ouch!  That Hertz!  Fluxin' smartass...
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
Systems Engineer / Motorcyclist / Volunteer / AMA 642916 DoD 0593 FSSNOC 1721
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: BMW heated grips
Keywords: diy?
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:23:51 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics Inc., Mtn. View, Ca.


Is installing heated grips on my 1989 BMW R100GS a do-it-myself kind
of thing?  The handle bars are not pre-drilled, so I'll have to drill
two small holes on the left and one larger hole in the center.  I have
to pull off the old grips, thread the wires through the handle bars,
attach connections etc.... Has anyone done this?  Any hints?

Thanks,
--steve                                          steve@presto.ig.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Neil@swamp.demon.co.uk (njb)
Subject: non-leather riding gloves 
Distribution: world
Organization: "Industrial EcoDeath Corp"
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 01:44:46 +0000

Non-leather gloves & vegan bikers newsletter.

I will attempt to dig out the address for those people who have requested
it, but dont hold your breath, as I will have to ask a friend.

Neil
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Honda GB500, Suzuki GS500E, or Yamaha Seca II ?
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> Oh, for reference, I'm 5' 10". The GS500E felt much more like a toy
-> under me than did the Seca II. Don't know about the GB500 (yet).

 For reference, I'm 5' 11".  I climb UP onto my Seca 900, which feels
like it's six feet tall, twelve feet long, and six inches wide.  It's no
problem in the twisties or the open road, but it's a little awkward
around town.

 I often ride my wife's '80 CB650 around town.  It feels like it's four
feet long, four feet wide, and two feet tall compared to the Yamaha.
It's also nearly 80 pounds heavier, but it feels like a mini bike.
While it does not go, turn, or stop nearly as well as the Yamaha, it's a
lot more "natural" to ride.

=======================================================================
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
(Nazareth)               XJ900 TURBO at 15psi          DoD# 978  KotFAQ
=======================================================================
                                                               
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Subject: Re: 93 Honda CBR900RR Recall
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:07:57 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <1g8dooINNavk@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>Jesus H. Christ, somebody posts a SAFETY message here and gets flamed
>for it!

That's what you get when everybody's motto is "Live to Flame, Flame to Live."
It might have been a funny parody in the beginning, but it seems to me that
most of the people here actually believe it.

David.
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+----==== opinions expressed do not represent those of my employer ====----+
| David L. Campbell, IBM AWSD Austin      | "The comfort you have demanded |
| INET: dcampbel@ajones.austin.ibm.com    |       is now mandatory!"       |
| IBM TR: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com |               Jello Biafra     |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Thanks all!  (was Widder Address)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:41:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.212302.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>
>Perfect Tommy: "But why do I have to give her my jacket?"
>Buckaroo Banzai: "Because you're perfect."

Perfect Tommy: "You have a point, there."

notice the hack setup used by the evil doctor in the failed attempt at 
bridging the dimensional barrier.... could be a symbolic statement of the evil
nature of perverting a legitimate moto to three wheeled operation.

Buckaroo Banzai: "I've been ionized.  But I'm all right now."

CP "Chuck the Merciless" Tomes
Killer of Red Lectroids, Keeper of the Truth of Buckaroo



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:13:50 GMT

In article <1gt6phINNljo@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>
>>>>>|> Everything is for sale. It just depends on the offer.
>>>>>so how much for the bra? my first offer is $1
>>>>Next bid is $2
>>>You guys obviously have not a clue of what a good bra goes for these days
>> Nobody has inquired about condition yet.
>
>Yeah!! Is it a front loader? back loader? strapless? what percentage
>is lace? color? make? model? type material? is it 'sheer'? see through?
>*gawd* I feel the urge for a cold shower!! ;-)

If he gets this excited over underwear... nah. Besides, he hasn't put in a
bid yet.

OK, lets see what I'm willing to part with. I can probably dig up an early
eighties compact model, back loader, beige, strapped, low mileage. You'd 
have to offer a lot more for the ones that I'm still using, it's too much of 
a pain to shop for the darn things.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (COBURN  NICHOLAS SCO)
Subject: Honda CBR1000 FOR SALE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:56:50 GMT


We have a showroom new 1988 Honda CBR1000 for sale.  This 
motorcycle is black with red trim, only has 2000 miles, and
is perfect in EVERY detail.

This motorcycle has been owned and meticulously cared for by
Detail One Motorsports of Farmington Hills Michigan.  (Locally
known as THE authority on Lamborghini, Ferrari, Mercedes, and
Porsche motorcars).

It has always been stored in a heated environment as per 
manufacturers specifications.  All service has been performed.
The two original pipes have been removed and replaced with 
Yoshimura slip-ons.

If you are looking for one of the finest sport touring 
motorcycles available in better than new condition, please
respond through E-mail to coburnn@spot.colorado.edu, or 
call Nick at (303)852-6185.

Although I am in Colorado, the bike is located in Michigan.
Shipping can be arranged worldwide.  Price is negotiable.

Thank You,
Nick Coburn      DoD#6425
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:31:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: MSUS

In article <djm.724124320@morpheus>, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David
Maconochie) wrote:
> 
> bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
> 
> 
> >Since helmets do lessen the severity/frequency of head injuries
> >and head injures are very expensive, then the price of my
> >insurance (and everyone else's) is adversley affected by people's 
> >lack of helmet use.
> 
> >The point (IMO) is that this increased cost is a reasonable
> >price to pay for increased freedom.  
> 
> So long as it is you that pays the extra $10,000 per year to cover the
> potential health risk you incur by riding without a helmet. Damned if I se
> why I or anyone else should pay it for you.

David, exactly how much does it cost the rest of us when a helmetless
motorcyclist crashes?  Do you have real numbers or are you just pulling
numbers out of your ass?  

NUMBERS, David.  Citations!  What a concept, eh?
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:42:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Roasting Headnut's on a striped down bike.......
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes: 

>If you don't like the advise you see here, Mr. Coradeschi, then go hire a
>consultant with a Ph.D. in materials.  You get what you pay for, sometimes.
>
>Along this same thread, which expands more when heated, aluminum or iron?
>I would think that iron does, tho' I have sheer intuition working here.
>If this is the case, then heating the iron studs extensively is definitely
>counterproductive, at least if you then try to work the studs while they're
>still hot.

>In the very next article in my active reader, jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
>(Jeff Deeney) replies:
>>Aluminum expands at a rate of 21ppm/degC, steel at about 16ppm/degC.
>
>Damn, how does he do that?   8^)

You did mention  that you were looking for a consultant and I am a
licensed professional engineer (although not a PhD).  My rates are 
actually quite reasonable.  You'll find the bill in your mailbox on 
Monday morning. :-)

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
P.E. #25001
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bikers-in-bras
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:22:02 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Dec17.143244.1391@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.032038.564@pages.com> bigdog!jon (Jon Wright) writes:
>>
>>What if you want to be seen in your bra?
> Why, are you thinking of buying one?
> 
Who knows: maybe the government will want to bring in a mandatory bra law....
It would have to be Snell-approved, of course....
maybe made out of Kevlar or fibreglass, bright flourescent colors for
visibility....
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