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From: rob@violet.berkeley.edu (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: [Re: Catch What They're Saying About Us...]
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:47:23
Organization: /home/math_a/cc/rob/.organization
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In-reply-to: grog@lemis.uucp's message of 28 Sep 92 16:48:26 GMT


In article <2390@adagio.lemis.uucp> grog@lemis.uucp (Greg Lehey) writes:

   I'm going to have to take Paul's word for this. However, this reminds
   me greatly of another article which recently annoyed me: in the
   October issue of UNIX Magazin - already mentioned here because of
   their (IMHO unrealistic) claim that 250,000 copies were already out
   there :

from what i can tell the quarter of a million copies is a totally made
up number.  as the person who keeps the ftp stats on agate.berkeley.edu, 
i know that the jolitz's haven't a clue to how many copies have been
distributed via us.  don't get me wrong, ALOT of copies of 386bsd have
been distributed.

in general it's really hard to figure out how many copies one has
extant, cause ftp sites get it from ftp sites, and friends get it
from friends.

probably lynne got the number from the 250,000 people who contributed
'for the kids'.

rob
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: nbladt@autelca.ascom.ch (Norbert Bladt)
Subject: Re: Announcing the availability of XFree86 1.1
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:26:23 GMT

dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:


>			Announcing XFree86 1.1
>		       ------------------------
>			 (formerly X386 1.2E)
>			    October 3, 1992

>What is XFree86?
>------------------

[ text describing XFree86 deleted - NB. ]

>What about accelerated boards?
>------------------------------
>	At this time, there is no support for accelerated boards like the
>S3, ATI Ultra (8514/A), TIGA, etc.  This support is available in commercial
>products from SGCS and MetroLink.
Does that mean, I can buy S3 support for 386BSD from SGCS or MetroLink
for about x000,- US$ ?
Nice, if so. :-)
However, I think I can't buy it because 386BSD is not supported by them or
I can't afford it.

So, is somebody writing a S3 driver for 386BSD ?

Anyway, thanks for the work the people did to port it to 386BSD
(Amancio Hasty Jr. etc.)
I think I will have to use my old ET-4000 board for the time being and hope
that somebody is doing some work on S3 boards.
Or is this work stopped because all the S3 boards are using a scheme
to set the clock frequencies which is not documented ?
Why not reverse engineering this scheme for different boards ?
That should be possible and is not a violation of copyright.
(I may be wrong on this because I am not a lawyer, but, at least,
the proposed copyright law for the european community EC is exactly saying
this, i.e. no software interfaces are copyrightable !).

If the result of this reverse engineering is that every manufacturer is using
a different scheme (which I doubt) then it would be better to not buy or
use S3 boards, anyway.
You see, I have both boards (not in the system at the same time, of course)
and I really would like to use the S3 board for X instead of the ET-4000.

I know, a lot of questions.

Are there some answers to those ?

Thanks,

Norbert.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Could the passwd/crypt changes be included in the patch kit?
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.141005.16849@rwwa.COM> witr@rwwa.com writes:
>I was wondering if the passwd/crypt changes could be included in the patch
>kit in a way that does not violate the goofy export restrictions (assuming
>that they still apply, which I am told is not the case).  Perhaps a stub
>module could be used or something, or an *imported* version of the crypt
>code?

The origin of the code is irrelevant; even if you import it, you're
still not allowed to export it. The only bypass is for someone outside
the US to write the code, and make it available on a ftp site also outside
the country. This applies to all the stuff on the "munitions" list, 
including software.

As far as the regulations no longer applying, I trust "opinions" of the 
US Government about as far as I can pick up and throw it.


-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
"...I looked out my window, and saw Kyle Pettys' car upside down, then I
thought 'One of us is in real trouble'." Davey Allison, re: a 150MPH crash
From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Xconfig for TVGA 9000?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:59:44 GMT
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

The subject says it all.  I've got a Trident TVGA 9000 card (I know
that it's not supported ;-) that I want to run X11R5 on.  All I want
is to run X, I don't care if fast or not and I assume that I can only
run it in straight VGA mode.  But I'm having troubles coming up with
an Xconfig for it.  Does anyone already have one?

I know that this is a bone-headed request, since the card is not
supported in accelerated modes by X386.  If it's not supported at all,
then please just say so.  No flames please.
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From: aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alex R.N. Wetmore)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: com1 at 9600,n,8,1, swap space
Date: 27 Sep 92 07:11:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AelQwrG00iUzM1grdD
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I just got an Amiga, which I have been using as a terminal on com1 (it
replaced an old PC that was sitting on com1).  One of the reasons that I
have the amiga on the machine is so that I can download stuff from the
net to the amiga at a pretty high speed (9600).  The problem that I have
had is that I can't get BSD to allow me to change a port in /etc/ttys to
be n,8,1, so I have to set the port to n,8,1 before I dl anything.  I
have read the man pages on gettytab, but didn't see anything mentioning
a character size of 8 bits, and setting ap (any parity) didn't seem to
help (it still was in e,7,1 mode).  So if anyone has a gettytab entry
for 9600,n,8,1 mode could you email it to me.

Also, when I installed BSD I wasn't sure that install was going to
allocate swap space, so I left 6 unallocated megs on my hard drive.  Is
there a way to make swap space out of this, without deinstalling bsd and
reinstalling it?  If I new what the device was once I made a new 6 meg
partition I'm sure I could figure out disklabel, etc, but I don't really
want to go around disklabeling random hd devices (because I also have a
30 meg dos partition that I would prefer not to kill).

Otherwise, kudos to everyone working on the project.  386bsd has allowed
me to get my bbs on the internet, which I never thought would have been
possible one year ago.

thanks,
alex
From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: [386BSD] How can I expand data segment?
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:26:33 GMT
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de

In <45240004@hpycla.kobe.hp.com> yas@hpycla.kobe.hp.com (Yasuyuki Suzuki) writes:

>I have 50MB of swap space on my 386BSD disk. But the data segment size
>of each process seems to be limited around 4MB.

>How can I expand data/stack/text segment size of each process?

limit datasize unlimited
limit stacksize unlimited

See csh(1).

>This may be a stupid basic question. Excuse me, but I'm not familiar
>with administrating BSD.

>PS: Is there any good books regarding  administrating BSD ?
>Or, how can I obtain the BSD Administration Manual?

For instance, there are some nice books in the nutshell series of 
O'Reilly & Assoc. (But I don't remember titles and authors, I remember
contents ;-)

>Thank you,
>--
>Yasuyuki Suzuki         yas@kobe.hp.com   +81-78-993-2846 (JAPAN)
>Client Technology Lab., Kobe Systems Operation,   Hewlett-Packard

Holger
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From: bs@Germany.EU.net (Bernard Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386bsd, X + logitech mouse
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:55:04 GMT
Organization: EUnet Backbone, Dortmund, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: walhalla.germany.eu.net

Thanks to all who replied to my question.
The consent seems to be to use the stuff in /pub/incoming/X386 on agate

Okay, here we go...

-Bernard
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From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Subject: [386BSD] Only root can login & MAXUSERS > 4?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: Permission denied  MAXUSERS  386BSD
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:37:30 GMT

I've had two problems with 386BSD:

1. All of a sudden, only the root user can login to my machine.  Whenever
   someone else tries to login, I get "/bin/tcsh: Permission denied."
   It doesn't matter what shell that user is set up for either.  This
   didn't start happening until I had installed X386.  Permissions on
   the shell programs, the /dev/vga and /dev/console devices, and
   just about everything I could think of are set correctly.  It's
   not a problem with the /etc/shells file either.  Anybody got an
   idea on what's wrong?

2. I recompiled the kernel, setting MAXUSERS to 16, so that I could
   at least open a few windows under X386, but it still limits me
   to 4 pty's.  What have I done wrong?

Thnx

--
Brett J. Vickers		 "Don't go around saying the world owes you
bvickers@ics.uci.edu		 a living.  The world owes you nothing.
				 It was here first."  - Mark Twain
From: hlu@video.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386BSD's non-standard C library
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:27:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct4.202755.24868
Organization: Washington State University

It is not that hard to make a C library to be both ANSI/POSIX compliant and
compatible with K&R C. I have been doing this for Linux. To compile K&R
codes under Linux, you just need to do

gcc -traditional -c foo.c

If I have the time and disk space, I may take a look at 386bsd.


H.J.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Booting 386BSD from second hard drive
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:58:26 GMT


OK - here's the scenario. I want to run OS/2 and DOS on my new system,
which will have a 170MB hard drive. When finances allow I want to buy
a second hard drive and would like to install 386BSD on that. OS/2's
boot manager will allow you to boot from a partition on drive #2, so
the question is, will 386BSD do that? If not what is the minimum sized
partition which I would need to leave on drive #1 for 386BSD to boot
from?

Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: nbladt@autelca.ascom.ch (Norbert Bladt)
Subject: Re: Announcing the availability of XFree86 1.1
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:14:21 GMT


dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:


>			Announcing XFree86 1.1
>		       ------------------------
>			 (formerly X386 1.2E)
>			    October 3, 1992

>What is XFree86?
>------------------

[ text describing XFree86 deleted - NB. ]

>What about accelerated boards?
>------------------------------
>	At this time, there is no support for accelerated boards like the
>S3, ATI Ultra (8514/A), TIGA, etc.  This support is available in commercial
>products from SGCS and MetroLink.
Does that mean, I can buy S3 support for 386BSD from SGCS or MetroLink
for about x000,- US$ ?
Nice, if so. :-)
However, I think I can't buy it because 386BSD is not supported by them or
I can't afford it.

So, is somebody writing a S3 driver for 386BSD ?

Anyway, thanks for the work the people did to port it to 386BSD
(Amancio Hasty Jr. etc.)
I think I will have to use my old ET-4000 board for the time being and hope
that somebody is doing some work on S3 boards.
Or is this work stopped because all the S3 boards are using a scheme
to set the clock frequencies which is not documented ?
Why not reverse engineering this scheme for different boards ?
That should be possible and is not a violation of copyright.
(I may be wrong on this because I am not a lawyer, but, at least,
the proposed copyright law for the european community EC is exactly saying
this, i.e. no software interfaces are copyrightable !).

If the result of this reverse engineering is that every manufacturer is using
a different scheme (which I doubt) then it would be better to not buy or
use S3 boards, anyway.
You see, I have both boards (not in the system at the same time, of course)
and I really would like to use the S3 board for X instead of the ET-4000.

I know, a lot of questions.

Are there some answers to those ?

Thanks,

Norbert.
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Phone: +41 31 999 65 52			FAX: +41 31 999 65 44
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Phone: +41 31 999 65 52			FAX: +41 31 999 65 44
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From: jim@stargate.helios.nd.edu (Jim McCusker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: 386BSD with SCSI & ESDI Controllers
Keywords: ESDI SCSI
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:19:10 GMT
Distribution: comp.unix.bsd
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame


   1) Make the SCSI (1542) controller control the floppies, verify this
      by rebooting after changing your jumpers on both cards.

   2) Using your systems system SETUP, set your drive 0 type to NONE and
      save the configuration.

   3) Turn your computer off and REMOVE the ESDI controller card.

   4) Boot the 'dist.fs' floppy and run the 'install' program to install
      386BSD on the SCSI HD.   When this is complete, reboot and verify that
      386BSD is operational on your HD.

   5) Turn off the computer and re-install the ESDI controller.  Reboot
      and verify that 386BSD is still bootable.

   6) To boot from your DOS partition run your SETUP program again.  In
      my system this is done by typing CTRL-ALT-ESC, but under 386BSD it
      doesn't work for some reason.  If you have the same problem, simply
      boot a DOS system diskette and the run the SETUP program.

I have only two problems with the system.  1st: Why doesn't CTRL-ALT-ESC
bring up my system SETUP program under 386BSD? ,  2nd: I have an internal
MODEM card on COM3: that refuses to work after running 386BSD, the only 
way to get it working (under MS-DOS that is) is to turn cycle power on my
PC (even the RESET button doesn't fix the problem, just the power switch!).

                           -- Jim McCusker
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: 386BSD - what a pain to install!
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:53:27 GMT

In article <id.X7NT.904@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>> This is generally accomplished (by Xenix, as an
>> example) by only running code in medium model, where you have unlimited text
>> (read only) pages per program, but only 64K (1 segment) of data (read/write)
>> pages.
>
>This is not true.
>
>We've been running Xenix-286 for years with multiple data and multiple code
>segments. We're talking applications with megabytes of both.

Sorry.  Peter is right for SCO Xenix, of course... but then again, that
won't compile for all 286 Xenix's... the resultant code runs only on SCO.

>Of course, I wouldn't recommend segmented memory to anyone for *fun*!

I know a couple people I probably be willing to do this to... ;-).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
					terry_lambert@novell.com
					terry_lambert@ns.novell.com
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: hd@world.std.com (HD Associates)
Subject: VL Motherboard & SCSI, 1280x1024 fixed freq Xfree86
Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd
Summary: High end PC upgrade of existing workstations
Keywords: 386BSD
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:55:51 GMT

I wish to convert some NEC APC IVs to something suitable for running
386BSD by replacing the motherboard and using these parts scavenged
from some SONY NEWS 16Mhz 68020 (NWS-841) workstations:

  Seagate WREN-? (maybe 4; Sony HD286) 286 MB SCSI drives,

  SONY NWP-513 1280x1024 non interlaced fixed frequency monitors
  (Horizontal scan: 63.82 kHz; Vertical scan: 60.43 Hz)

  SONY QIC tape drive

  SONY 1.44 MB SCSI floppy. (Probably not worth it)

I am looking for a motherboard with:

  486DX-50 or 486DX2-66 ISA motherboard;
  256K+ cache;
  64MB+ memory;
  VESA VL local bus with more than one slot.

On board SCSI or e-net would be a plus.

Initially I'll get things working using another SONY as an X-Terminal
and then when things are looking promising I'll be interested in
getting a VL bus graphics board capable of 1280x1024 8-bit 60.43
Hz non-interlaced graphics and supportable by Xfree86.

I am considering purchasing the Micronics "80486 VL-Bus System
Board" with 16 MB of memory (expandable to 64), 256K cache, 2 VL
slots and the 486DX2-66. I will round out this test system with a
3com 3C503 and Adaptec 1542B.

Now for my questions:

1. Questions, comments, criticisms?

2. Does the VL bus have 32 bit addressing?

3. Can anyone name names and model numbers for candidate mother
boards?

4. Does anyone have this Micronics motherboard?  Are you happy with
it? Are you running 386BSD?  What is your configuration?

5. Are any VL bus SCSI host adapters available now?  Is enough
documentation available to write a driver for Julian's SCSI system?

6. Can I use these fixed frequency monitors as long as I only use
them for X (that is, get the board set up for 1280x1024 60.43 Hz
during system boot time)?  Is there a graphics VL board that supports
1280x1024 60.43 Hz 8+ bits available now?

Peter Dufault
HD Associates
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: prkoch@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Peter Koch)
Subject: Installing 386bsd
Summary: Problems to install and boot 386bsd from an AT-BUS partition
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:48:40 GMT
Keywords: install boot 386bsd


Hi Folks,

i am very glad seeing that there are a lot of good guys working on
a non-commercial-pd UNIX and i want to send a lot of good wishes to
them !!!!!!!!!

but after downloading and installing i've got a problem and now i've
been run out of ideas.


what has happend
----------------

i've ftp'd the system down, copied it to MS-DOS disks, rawrited the
dist.fs and fixit.fs - disks and booted 386bsd from the distributer-
disk and started 'install'.

	'install' said "102 MB free", i said 'take 100MB for 386BSD'
	'install' said "high - level format /dev/rwd0a ..."
	'install' said "installing all the stuff"
	'install' said "remove disk and press key to reboot"

i did it.


now my Problem:
===============

the system-kernel is found (Message: 386BSD ...) but then appears
the message

	wd0: no disk label
	can't mount wd0a as root

and then the system reboots.

then i've booted from the fixit.fs and tried to "mount /dev/wd0a /mnt"
but the 'no disk-label' message has also been shown.

When running 'install' again and break (CNTRL-C) at the reboot-message,
the "mount /dev/wd0a /mnt" works and i can see, that the system is
installed in the partition.


my questions
============

- how to bring up 386BSD in my partition (technical data below)
- is any documentation for 'disklabel, diskpart, newfs, etc.'
  out there
- by the way: how to place a filesystem on a floppy (1.2/1.44)


my technical datas
------------------

	386 25MHz
	AMI-BIOS
	8 MB RAM
	1.2 MB and 1.44 MB floppys
	205 MB Seagate AT-Bus disk
	- 33MB DOS 3.3 - System Partition
	- 70MB DOS 3.3 - Extended Partition


THANX
=====

sorry for my bad english, if you understand what i mean, please
answer.


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: klaus@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Todd C. Klaus)
Subject: Re: Catch What They're Saying About Us...
Summary: ethernet card suort
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:10:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.020737.3124@pool.info.sunyit.edu>, ujlh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James Henrickson) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.032323.6425@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
> >Sean Eric Fagan (sef@kithrup.COM) wrote:
> >
> >: If I needed an OS to do work, it would probably be BSD/386.  If I were going
> >: to install an OS on a machine for the express purpose of playing, it would
> >: be either Linux or 386BSD (probably the latter, at least until networking is
> >: available and stable in Linux).
> >
> >You might want to drop into comp.os.linux from time to time.  We've had
> >networking in the kernel for some time.  It's pretty stable at the moment... :)
> >
> >I believe Ross Biro is the person who's doing the most with it...
> >-- 
> 
> 
> Linux has networking, but only for WD80[01]3 Ethernet cards.  I switched
> to 386BSD because it supports my NE2000 clones.  :-)
> -- 
> Jim H.
> *
> * James L. Henrickson
> * ujlh@sunyit.edu        "Some day I might have a real .signature!"

Does 386BSD support the 3COM 50[1,3] ethernet cards?

Please respond by mail to:

klaus@enuxva.eas.asu.edu