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From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Subject: Re: Elan Telephoto Zoom Lenses
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:05:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

robert.m.atkins writes
| In article <TJWU.93Jan19163118@vongole.mit.edu>, tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas  
J Wu) writes:

| > I would avoid the 75-300 USM and non-USM, because their optical quality
| > isn't terribly great.  Also, they lack distance scales, IR correction  
marks,
| > and internal/rear focusing.  They don't focus as quickly as the 70-210
| > and their front elements rotate.

| Where does the (often quoted) opinion that the 75-300 has poor optics come
| from? Is it just because it is cheap, or is there hard data to back up the
| opinion. I've tested this lens and found it pretty good. There may be other
| reasons for rejecting it (as listed above), but I would not dismiss it on
| the grounds of optical quality alone. The lack of distance scales and IR
| markings are items most people will not miss (how many people have EVER
| used the IR markings, not to mention that the Elan can't use IR film
| because of it's IR film transport detector anyway).

I recall that someone last fall asked about the difference between the  
100-300mm lens (the non-L one) and the 75-300mm lens, especially since the  
75-300mm lens wasn't as expensive than the 100-300mm lens. Someone replied that  
the 100-300mm lens felt a bit sturdier, had an USM motor and had somewhat  
better optics. Now, too many people out there has apparently assumed that since  
the 75-300mm lens isn't quite as good as the 100-300mm lens, it must be bad.  
Quite the contrary, I'd say. Both are good lenses. The 100-300mm lens is  
somewhat sharper and has somewhat less distortion (which is NOT to say that the  
75-300mm lens isn't sharp or that it has lots of distortion), focuses quieter  
and quicker and feels somewhat more sturdy. For its lower price, the 75-300mm  
lens is a good buy as well, IMHO.

- Robert
From: philippe@contrast.wlink.nl (Philippe Moroux)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: bellows
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:15:06

I am looking for a place in West Europe, where can I get my old wooden 9x12cm
camera' bellow repaired.
Who knows a place where they can restore that kind of leather material, or get
it entirely renewed.

with regards,
Philippe.
                         e-mail: philippe@contrast.wlink.nl

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: How to get double exposure with Minolta X700?
Keywords: X700, double exposure
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:26:51 GMT

In article <1jn2ouINNigp@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> clee@praha.jpl.nasa.gov (Chang Lee) writes:
>Can the camera take multi-exposure pictures at all?  There is no explicit
>double exposure capability.  Advancing the film with the film release
>button pressed doesn't seem to work.  Any suggestions?

You can make multiple exposures with the X-700, but the camera wasn't
designed to do it, and they won't be perfectly accurate.  Here's how to
do it:

Snug up the film in the cassette by turning the rewind crank clockwise.
Don't try to turn it past the point of resistance.
Hold the rewind crank with one hand to prevent it from turning.
Push in and hold the rewind release button with your second hand.
With your third hand, wind the film advance lever.
Repeat this for additional exposures on this frame of film.
When you are through with that frame, release the rewind crank and allow
the rewind release button to pop out when you advance the film.
NOW ADVANCE THE FILM ONCE MORE.  This extra advance is necessary because
the release button does not pop out at the beginning of the wind, and
if you don't do it you will partially overlap frames.

It is VERY unfortunate that Minolta did not put that capability on the X-700.
If multiple exposure capability is important to you, I would suggest that
you find a used XD-5 or XD-11.  Both of these cameras have built-in
multiple exposure capability and are completely compatible with your
lenses.  These cameras have manual, aperture priority AND shutter priority
modes, and also have a completely manual mode if the batteries fail.  They
are in Shutterbug for ~$200.

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
From: davet@riscdb.Convergent.Com (Dave Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: REMOTE-RELEASE compact 35mm?
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: davet@convergent.com
Organization: Unisys Network Computing Group (CT), San Jose, CA

I've been looking to purchase a compact 35mm with a means of using a remote
release.  Several friends recommend the Ricoh Shotmaster with the 1/8" socket
on the side but I've come to believe current units don't have the feature.

The only features I seek are a wide angle (22-36mm) setting, no auto power
off, and preferrably standard AA or AAA bateries.  I've looked at the Olympus
and Pentax models with IR releases--are there less feature (less $) models I
should look at?  I don't care if the release is IR or wired.

Thanks,
David                              Please reply to:  davet@convergent.com

 
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From: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Four eyed camera for 3-D picture for sale
Reply-To: andpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:21:44 GMT


A friend of mine asked me if I could find a buyer for his NISHIKA camera. 
It is in excellent condition. He does not have an idea of what sale price 
to put on it, so it is being "advertised" for sale to the highest bidder. 

andy
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From: barnick@mesa.Kodak.COM (William M Barnick x73638)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: MAIL ORDERING
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:56:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1993Jan26.173837.23927@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
>Re: the use of credit cards to pay for mail order. Whenever I order stuff
>I use my Mastercard (AT&T Universal card if it makes a difference). The
>store I order from can bill me for whatever they like, but I only pay
>for what arrives.

Dido for me too,  I have used the AT&T MasterCard and the Chase Visa card
in past orders.  I have never had any problem with a billing dispute.  I
simply called the 1-800-number and it was fixed.  Infact, a short time ago
I got a bogus prize offer in the mail.  It said that I have won a prize
and call a 1-800-number for the details of which prize.  Well,  I called
and then found out it was somehow linked to a charge card list.  Just
about anyone who called was instantly charged membership to some sort of
travel club as a "trial membership".  I called Chase Visa ... it was fixed
with no forms and no questions asked.  I think that I have had about
five disputes over the last two  years and have always had problems
resolved to my favor.

I have never tested Discover, has anyone ever gotten quick results from
them.

Also, a friend of mine once lost an American Express Card.  Now if you want
FAST service.  They will deliver to your hotel door!

Disclaimer: opinions are just my own.

See Ya ...
WMB


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From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: Re: What does ED glass really buy you?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:03:28 GMT
Keywords: telephoto, chromatic aberration, ED glass, distortion

In article <TSOS.273.727982894@uni-duesseldorf.de>, TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.173218.28028@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
> 
> >Some aberations are improved by stoping down a lens, but some are not.
> >Stoping down won't help chromatic aberation or distortion (pincushion
> >or barrel effects). 
> 
> Yes and no ;-). Chromatic aberration is caused by different focal lengths 
> for different wave lengths (as other posters have pointed out in detail).
> And this doesn't change when stopping down. But with a smaller aperture, 
> the depth of field is larger -- or, accordingly, the cones of light that 
> point from the exit pupil of the lens to a spot on the film have a smaller 
> diameter. Thus for a white point of light in the subject range, some 
> colours are still out of focus if you stop down, but the `coloured disc' 
> it creates on the film is smaller.
> 
> So the chromatic aberration is still there when you stop down the lens, 
> but its effect is smaller and maybe invisible. 

I follow your argument, but I am quite certain that lateral color (i.e
the color fringing that is observed at the corners of the frame when
using almost any lens) is not improved by stopping down. Lateral color
is usually detectable on lenses from wide angle to telephoto, from
wide open to fully stopped down. Anyone care to comment on the physics/
optics involved?

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
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From: rindle@informatik.uni-ulm.de (nico)
Subject: Re: Rolleiflex 2.8 GX
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: University of Ulm
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:05:46 GMT

In article <1jt6r5INNkhr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bu890@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Brian Segal) wrote:
> 
> 
> The Hasselblad/Zeiss planar 80mm f2.8 is a 7 element design.
> Provides a very well corrected flat field (hence "planar")
> brian

The Rolleiflex 28GX is still made by Rollei for about $1700 with
TTL light measurement. But the used one should be about $300 to $500.
The new one has the same lens than the old one only the coating is a bit
better. image resolution and correction is superb. You should checkout
the condtion of the shutters! and the things (dichtung in german) which
keep the light out of the film at the backside.eg. do some sample shoots
before you buy it.

Christian Bauer

bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de
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From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: Ilford XP1 - Home develop??
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:51:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.020312.2661@dxcern.cern.ch> Sandro Ventura <sandrov@sunicar.cern.ch> writes:
>In article <C17tJ2.F1B@javelin.sim.es.com> Ron Speirs,
>rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>> This is indirectly related to a technique described in Darkroom & Creative
>> Camera Techniques, "Color Print Contrast Control - Boost Contrast and
>> Color Saturation Easily", Jan/Feb 1990, page 34.
>
>I'm not able to find "Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques" here at Geneva
>news stands (only Popula. Phot. is widely available). Many of you point to
>that mag as a good source for darkroom hints and unusual technique
>descriptions, and I'd be curious to give it a look.
>Could you please send me or post its publisher coordinates?

Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques
P.O. Box 48312
Niles, IL 60714

They have back issues available for $5 each.  They also have some "Annual
Special" issues which are compilations of key articles.  These annuals
are:
	Photographic Processes/The Chemistry of Photography, Vol. II
	Mastering Black-and-White Photography, Vol. I
	Perfect Color Printing
	Refining B&S Photographs
	Controlling Color Photography
	Mastering Black-and-White Photography, Vol. II

These average about $9 each (including shipping).  I think the article that
I referenced is also in the "Controlling Color Photography" issue.  They
also offer a complete cumulative index for $15.

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Compuer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah

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From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe)
Subject: Re: Clark Photo Developing
Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:39:33 GMT

In <1993Jan26.213041.4023@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> afd@bellcore.com (Alex F. Dietz) writes:
>In general, I've been pretty happy.  Turn-around time
>is about 10 days, and they are inexpensive.

I beg to differ.  Clark did very sloppy work for me on a couple of 
occasions.  For example, on one roll of essentially similar 
portrait shots with only minor variations from frame to frame, they 
actually omitted printing one frame entirely and provided just one 
print instead of the two I ordered (and paid for) of two more 
frames.  Apparently, their man got bored by all the similar pictures 
and figured nobody could want them all, or even notice.  
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From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Elan Telephoto Zoom Lenses
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:36:34 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1993Jan20.034757.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.171541.24635@watson.ibm.com>, picheny@watson.ibm.com (MA.Picheny;340090) writes:
>> I want to get a telephoto lens for my Elan. I have a 28-80 USM lens that
>> came with
>> the camera and am trying to decide between a 70-210 and a 75-300. They
>> are of similar price.
>> Are there other USM lenses for the Elan? And does anyone have any
>> suggestions as to which
>> one to get?
>
>Forget the 75-300.

Because......?


Regards,
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Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.forsale
From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin)
Subject: New Titanium Rollei Trade or Forsale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 06:31:46 GMT

Rollei 35mm Classic Titanium body, covering with gold on shutter release button
and lens mounting button.

I saw someone's post two months ago for $1600 of the same item.

Come with Sonnar 40mm f2.8, flash, and original case, boxed.

This camera just came to the market on May 1992.

Will trade for Leica equipments or Sell it for $1250.

Ailin   
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From: katan@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Kim A. Tan)
Subject: Re: Is there a new Minolta Camera?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:27:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.112036.4276@ira.uka.de> danisch@ira.uka.de (Hadmut Danisch) writes:
>From: danisch@ira.uka.de (Hadmut Danisch)
>Subject: Is there a new Minolta Camera?
>Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:20:36 GMT
>Hi,
>
>here in germany the price for the Minolta
>Dynax/Maxxum 9xi was constant DM 1995,- for long time.
>Now it is going down fast, i have seen DM 1600,- and
>DM 1400,- .
>
>Could this be an early sign for a new Minolta (higher
>than 9xi) ?
>

In Canada, the price of Minolta cameras just increase by 3% after the new 
year. I was shopping for my 7xi before and after the new year. The 7xi tag 
is C$670.00, and before was C$640.00

--Kim
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From: exjtmm@tts.lth.se (Thommy M. Malmstr|m)
Subject: Re: Hasselblad TCC equipment???
Organization: Communication Systems, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
	<1993Jan25.220824.18608@lth.se>
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:17:16

>>>>> "ML" == Marcus Lundahl <f92mlu@efd.lth.se> writes:

ML> A TCC in Sweden costs about 55000 Swedish kronor.

Where have you seen a TCC for that? The lowest price i've seen was
just above 70000 SEK.

ML> That includes Body, 80TCC Lens, One back (sometimes you get
ML> an extra back as an bonus, and that's worth alot!).
ML> The exchange rate is 1:7.47 (Dollar:Swedish kronor)

55000 SEK/7.47 = $7363! Our devaluation seems to have had some
effect... All you nice americans now have to buy a lot of Hasselblades
(and Volvos) to get Sweden up and running again...

/Thommy M.

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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Canon EF teleconverters (was Re: When does price beat out the best choice for you?)
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:41:19 GMT


|> The front element of the TC protrudes a little in comparison to the
|> body of the TC.  Similarly, only certain lenses have recessed rear
|> elements.
|> 
|> Thus, on a lens without a recessed rear element, the TCs front element
|> protrusion prevents the TC from mating with the lens.
|> 
|> Alvin_C._Shih____________________acs@csri.utoronto.ca______________________|

Is physical compatibility all what the problem is? How about optical 
compatibility? 

If I can mate a lens with a Canon TC physically, does it mean that it will
work perfectly?

Jason Chen
From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Big Switch: From 35mm to medium format
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:24:57 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

I made the move to medium format about 9 years ago with a Bronica system.
I am glad I didn't abandon my 35mm stuff.  The medium format stuff definitely
[roduces some great images and works well for my wedding and portrait
work.  But I do miss the zoom lenses, advanced metering, AF, and other
capabilities that make the 35mm stuff really nice.  The 35mm format
also has a greater range of lenses available.  Some medium format systems
like Hasselblad and Rollei have a nice array of lenses and accessories,
but you may need to second-mortgage your home to be able to afford them.
The medium format equipment is quite heavy and in my opinion not very
practical for travel and documentary photography.  Don't rush to sell
the 35mm stuff.  You may learn to appreciate it even more after branching
into medium format.



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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: How dangerous are developer chemicals?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:40:56 GMT

I don't know that I'm the most (or least) careful darkroom worker in
the world, but my hands would almost always smell like developer
after I developed film.  After a while I wised up and started wearing
rubber gloves---not latex, surgical, or anything but the cheap
dishpan kind that go up to your elbow.  Works like a charm.
From: clee@praha.jpl.nasa.gov (Chang Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: How to get double exposure with Minolta X700?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:58:06 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: praha.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: X700, double exposure

Can the camera take multi-exposure pictures at all?  There is no explicit
double exposure capability.  Advancing the film with the film release
button pressed doesn't seem to work.  Any suggestions?

Thanks
clee@praha.jpl.nasa.gov
From: nkane@terapin.com (Nathan Kane)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Tmax problem...
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:32:57 PST
Organization: BBS

That purple onthe film is from a dye that they put on it. I've never had a
problem with it effecting the print before, just make sure its fixed long
enough and most of it will come out. Also, useing some hypo-clear does a good
job of getting the purple out.
From: wtyler@adobe.com (William Tyler)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 1600 Speed Kodak Film
Summary: Use Ektapress 1600
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:52:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Jan25.225227.15708
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: Adobe Systems Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1993Jan25.194450.3062@watson.ibm.com> picheny@bellini.watson.ibm.com (MA.Picheny;340090) writes:
>I want to take pictures of my daughters indoor gym meet; I am afraid my
>flash will not be good enough at long distances. Is this a good film for such
>a purpose? I have an Elan.

In similar circumstances, I've used Kodak Ektapress 1600, pushed to
6400, and skipped the use of flash altogether.  The results are
somewhat grainy, but acceptable (to me at least).  Ektapress is a
color negative film _designed_ to be push processed, and any decent
pro lab should be able to do this for you.

You will have to defeat your camera's DX code reader to use the higher
speed. I'm not an Elan expert, so I don't know if this is possible or
how to do it. Generally speaking, you might have an explicit film
speed override, you might have an 'exposure compensation' capability
(in which case, set it for 2 stops underexposure), or you might have a
manual capability (use 2 stops less exposure than the meter
recommends). Any of these would work. RTFM for more details.

If the pictures are very important to you, I'd recommend a trial run
before the meet. Try all the variations of film, flash/no flash, etc.
that you think might work at the actual meet, and then compare
results.

-Bill
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From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Enlarger lens. Opinions on quality
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan22.235854.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>Has anyone experiene in comparing Various 40/50 mm enlarger lenses. Specificaly
>APO-Rodagon      50 f2.8
>Rodagon-WA       40 f4
>Rodagon-G        50 f2.8
>Componon-WA      40 f4
>APO Componon-HM  45 f4.5
>
   I have just installed a darkroom in my kitchen.  I am now using a
borrowed enlarger and will probably be buying my own soon, so I will
also be faced with this problem.  Could rec.photo readers please post
their responses, or also email them to me?

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
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From: monson@ece.orst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo,or.forsale,pdx.forsale
Subject: Photo Swapmeet
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:09:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1k58ttINNc8a
Distribution: or
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobo.ece.orst.edu


  The Portland Photographer's Forum organization is going to sponsor
  another of their annual swapmeets in March. I believe they are
  now reserving tables if you have stuff to sell. Otherwise, the meet is 
  usually a good opportunity to find good buys on used equipment.

  If anyone is interested in more details, send e-mail, and I'll try
  to get you the particulars.
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