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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: BATMAN:  Two Face TAS (was: The Harvey Dent dilemma)
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:53:57 PST

In article <1992Sep29.164558.4623@inel.gov>, mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar) writes:
> I liked the Two Face episode in the animated series.  I especially
> liked Batman's dream in the second part.  Overall a very good story.
> 
> Now on to other Two Face stuff.  Two Face is one of my favorite
> characters because Batman/Bruce cares for him and wants to help him.
> 
> I think the best stories that deal with Two Face are as follows:
> 
>  (some stories listed)
> 
> Other decent stories include
> 
>  (some more stories listed)

Actually, my all-time favorite Two-Face story came from a late-70's "Secret
Origins of Super Villains" normal-size comic (not to be confused with the
rampant tabloids of the time) that portrayed Two-Face as the hero of the story.

There's also a fine Dr. Light origin and a canonical pre-crisis Grodd origin.
The interesting thing is that in it, Grodd fought Green Lantern, not the flash,
and Dr. Light first fought Katar Hol (before he was Hawkman).

If anyone knows who wrote these stories, and what the actual name of the comic
was, I'd be much obliged... it's one of those that got lost when I was seven
and I've always wanted to find it again someday.

-----
Douglass Barre - Old Comics Man - carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"In my day, we didn't have no two-faced villains. One face was more than
enough. And if they were Nazis, one face was good enough for all of them!"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: Hero Alliance
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:13:14 GMT

kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>In article <lis.718073289@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>>PS--Who in their right minds does aerobics in SPIKE HEELS??

>Since Dave answered the costume parts, I'll take this one.  HA is one of
>the few books that give a reason for the more or less non functional use of
>a skin tight costume.  
An explanation of Golden Girl's reasons follow.

Yes, but this wasn't Chris in this scene--it was the assistant
director of Vic's health clubs.  
BTW, how far do _you_ bend over to unlock the door?

As I said before, I like the stories, but the cheesecake is a bit much.
-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<---------------
"I want to be Robin to Bush's Batman."  Dan Quayle
Quick!  Notify DC.  I think it's time for another 900 number poll.
"We are enjoying a sluggish economy & not enjoying it very much."  --Bush
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From: sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: $$ Comic Book Creators $$
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:36 EST  

Some loose quotes from previous posts (sorry, don't recall the posters):
>>  ... McFarlane and his Millions ....
>>  ... Alan Moore got a $100,000 signing bonus for writing Spawn #8 ...
>>  ... McFarlane is estimated to make 3-4 Million dollars this year ...

Huhh?  How much do comic book creators make these days?  I'm sure it 
depends on the popularity of the creators and the popularity of the books, 
but Millions?!! I had no idea comics could be such a lucrative profession.
Are the creators paid some flat fee plus an additional royalty for each 
book that is sold?  What's the percentage?  How much do the following 
make on an average book?
  1) writers, 2) pencilers and 3) inkers

Most artists can only crank out one book a month.  On the other hand, 
comic book machines like John Byrne writes several books, pencils and inks 
a couple, and even does his own lettering.  All in one month.  Quallity 
work too IMO.  With Byrne's popularity, I would guess he's among the most 
$uccessfull.  Any guesses on how much he makes?  
X-Men #1 had a print run of over 8 million copies.  How much did Jim Lee 
make off of that one book (actually, 5 books)?

Just curious,
 - Wayne.

P.S.  Hold your flames. :)  I'm not being nosy, I think Byrne and Lee would 
be a good gauge to measure the potential salaries of comic creators.

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: UPC stuff
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:09:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20828
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>Not to beat this to death but i see one little part of the question 
>that is still not completely answered.  Why do some have the code
>and others don't (David Henry did a good job of explaining what
>the code was for) and that direct sales have pictures.  This is also
>for the stores to know which can be returned.  The picture in the
>corner means that it was a direct sales and thus cannot be returned
>like the bar code ones can to a paper agency for credit on future
>periodicals (or is that stating the obvious?)

Not having worked in a comic store, or having been involved in any other
form of buying/selling at the stores I have worked at, I'll pass the ball on
this one, Shawn, to someone more qualified to answer than I. Scowling Jim,
you out there? What is the policy on returning direct sales books?

"I must run
 I have to go
 To Las Vegas
 Or Monaco"		--ABBA!

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
From: U16244@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: YEARGH! The PLayboy returneth!
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:52:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct2.011559.8921@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) says:
>
>I've been reading thru the same mag that has the Ren & Stimpy stuff, and what
>do I find?  Iron Man #289, Tony Stark returns!  AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
>Couldn't he stay dead even 6 months????
>     Dave Van Domelen, this post was probably generated by a buggy newsreader

Stark (Die you fucking playboy bastard) lives?  Stark!!! (Die you fucking playb
oy bastard) Lives!!!  STARK (DIE YOU FUCKING PLAYBOY BASTARD) LIVES!!!!!!!!!!

Someone call Hanover Fist.  I've got a job for him...

DPW

Actually, Mister Stark was a wonderful man when he was alive... AWWW GIVE ME
A BREAK!!!  Shootings too good for him.  Hanging's to good for him!  He
should be ripped to pieces then burned alive!!!  STAAAAARRRK!!!  IIIII'M
GONNNA KIIILLLLLL YYYYOOOOOUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS recommendations?
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:20:35 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

re: starting in the upswing of an arc: 

the first issue of CEREBUS I ever read was 112/113. i was cinched. i began
buying jaka's story and going back to read my friends' back issues/phone books. 
the filling in pattern of information about the world of CEREBUS and the
characters involved has been tremendous to watch... i've often thought that my
experience of IMMERSION into the world of cerebus simply wouldn't have been as
much FUN if there hadn't been things along the way that i just plain didn't
understand at the time... and THEN to go back, and be able to compensate in my
mind for Sim's less-than-exceptional artwork int he early 4th... it's been an
INCREDIBLE experience.

my recommendation: Church & State II. 

action-packed, full of charactorial twists (remember Most Holy's 2nd wife?) the
-Roach really comes into his own and the comic-world innuendo reigns supreme in
said appearances... "what... could it be? i feel as though i'm... having... an
ORIGIN!" all in all a tremendous span... and walking on the moon, to boot? what
an end to the book. if you want to hook someone who is aware while going in
that he/she's 1: going to HAVE to compensate for lack of info; but 2: this CAN
BE half the Cerebus Experience in and of itself, i think C&S II is DEFINITELY
the way to go.

for what it's worth, 

!rez
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
Subject: Official Marvel Comics Try-Out Book!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 26 Sep 1992 23:08 EST  

Question:
Does anyone know where or how I can get a copy of the "Official Marvel 
Comics Try-Out Book?"  Is it still available from Marvel?  The book does 
not have to be in perfect condition.  I'm interested in learning how comics 
are made (plotting, writing, drawing, inking...), so any other information 
or suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
 - Wayne
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:53:23 GMT

About "Etain of the second look":  Could this be a Delirium-malapropism for
"second sight"?  Would certainly explain how she got out before the boom...

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"quintidecimated: a new word for wiping out half"
		-- tyg
From: silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Women in Comics in the 1980's
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:11:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep30.151107.15976
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'm currently beginning to work on an article for a school magazine on the role
of female charcaters in comics in the 1980's. However, there doesn't appear to
be much scholarly (ie, outside of the comics world) research on the subject, so
I suppose that articles in CBG, Amazing Heroes, and the like will be the best
resource (if not better than "scholarly" research). However, most of my comics
are at home, so can people remind me of when/where useful articles have been
published? Hopefully I can then either have my parents mail me them or I can
buy what I need here...

-- 
Jolyon A. Silversmith __________________________________________________________
silvers3@husc.harvard.edu            President             "Eternal Vigilance is
Mather House 100              ACLU of Harvard College      the Price of Liberty"
Cambridge, MA 02138 ____________________________________________________________
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:3444 alt.comics.superman:8
From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.superman
Subject: Answer (WAS Re: Logic in Advs. of Superman!!!)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:31:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: me myself and I

I choose mx 2.

reasoning: of 1 and 3 there is a lie and a truth, of all three there is only one truth, if 1 or 3 is telling the truth then 2 must be lying.

Scott Brogley
sbrogii@tymnet.com
From: fnord@cs.mcgill.ca (Andrew KUCHLING)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman: Darkness in Corinth
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:01:23 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

While reading the annotation for the Sandman Special #1, my SO 
pointed out an omission.  In the description of Orpheus' travels, the
annotation comments: "The nature of the darkness in Corinth is unknown..."
(or words to that effect.)   She pointed out that we don't know why the  
character in _The Doll's House_ is called the Corinthian.  So was he
the darkness waiting for Orpheus?


 There are 3 possibilities I've thought of to explain this:

 1) Morpheus had the Corinthian lie in wait there for Orpheus.  This is, I
think, unlikely.  Why would Dream attempt to kill his own son?

 2) The Corinthian has made several attempts to escape from the Dreaming.
On this attempt, he decided to take revenge on his creator by killing his son.
Later on he was brought back, only to escape again during Morpheus' 
imprisonment.

 3) There was some sort of human serial killer living in Corinth at that time,
who tried to kill Orpheus.  Dream somehow found out about him/her and decided
to create a nightmare based on the killer.

  If this goes into the annotation, please credit it to my SO, Alison Tobin.



  Incidentally, does anyone else have this sneaking suspicion that the
temple of Orpheus, and the villa where Destruction is staying, are fairly
close to each other, and that we're going to see an intersection between the
characters?

   Andrew Kuchling
   fnord@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Image Comics (no flames please)
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:31:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.150954.104819@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>>>Spawn #6
>>
>>Spawn #4 just came out last week. I don't expect to see #6 until November.
>>McFarlane is the closest Image has to someone who can make deadlines.
>
>Yeah, November if it's on time.  We won't see this until December.  Remember,
>Moore is writing.  I'm sure they're going to hype this up BIGTIME before it
>comes out.  Also, McFly has to work off of someone else's script.  He can't
>make it up as he goes along anymore...

The hype has started. Full page ad in the Advance Comics. It's a very 
marketable item. Writing by Moore, McFarlane art, Miller pin-up and a
cover that recreates the classic Spiderman pose. I expect the shop orders
on this to be staggering.

Moore will be doing Spawn #8. This is scheduled for release in December.
Using the present delay, that would push its appearance into January. It's
possible that having a writer/artist pair will further delay it, but 
I don't think so. McFarlane has little interaction with his writers, so
if Moore gets the script done on time, I think Todd can probably stay on
schedule. The only delay I could imagine is if there was another story
that didn't get wrapped up in the number of issues Todd had planned for it.

This brings up a question. The only scripts I've seen are the Sandman scripts
published in the third collection and over in the late r.a.c. Those were
fairly descriptive of what each panel should include. I wonder if Moore
does this sort of script and whether such a script would make McFarlane's
job easier or more difficult. 
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: number6@milton.u.washington.edu (John Drake)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23: Afterthinks
Organization: The People Who Brought You BEEEEEEER MILKSHAKES!
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.230619.26096@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

>3 Why doesn't MM reconstitute Bates?  NOT KM, but Bates?  As long as the cloned
>  KM body is taken out of infraspace, or whatever that region is called, then
>  Johnny's no threat.  And MM seemed to geniunely like the kid.

>4 MM and Moran *are* the same person.  I got tired of arguing with you mutton-
>  heads before, but I'm refreshed now.  Bring it on. . .

	"One of these things, is not like the other ... One of these
	things, doesn't belong ... "  :)

	How can you, with a straight face, say these statements back 
	to back?  If MM *is* Moran, then KM *is* Bates.  A much 
	darker side of Bates, but still Bates.

	Of course, I don't buy that myself ... but you can't have 
	it one way for KM and another way for MM.  It's the same
	process.  

	For my money, I'd say that MM *isn't* Moran ... but he used
	to be.  He started out with exactly the same memories, and 
	therefore exactly the same feelings ... but since he has a 
	brain that is structurally different, both physically and 
	chemically, he gradually became a unique individual.  IMHO.

-- 
Michael J Montoure / number6@milton.u.washington.edu / Keeper of Red Dwarf FAQ
   "Dehydration - 34%.  Recollection of previous evening: 2%.  Embarassment  
    factor: 91%!   Advise repair schedule:  Off-line for 36 hours, re-boot  
    startup disk, and replace head.  I've got to stop reading Usenet ... "
From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: What's up with !mage??
Date: 26 Sep 1992 22:37:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu
Summary: Where are all the "HOT" comix


Have all the image comics except for Spawn decided to go
bimonthly on us or what???  Seems like the only person trying
to keep up Image's image is McFly.

Mikel B.
"Talk Hard" - HHH
From: jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Hamilton Slye)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Savage Dragon (Image) and Robo/Term (DH) have been print
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:17:42 GMT
	<1992Oct2.023132.1050@abo.fi>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 02-Oct-92 in Re: Savage Dragon (Image) a..
user Mika H{nninen Inf@finabo writes:
>In <30SEP92.21692590.0091@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA writes:
> 
> 
>> Sorry, I didn't buy either so I don't have any details.
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>                                 ! MUHEP::LOULA if you're on a VAX
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>> Terminal freeze, duplicate posts, lost posts and email-come-posts,
>> these are a few of my least favorite things.
> 
>Uh...Is this news? They have been on the shelves for several weeks now...
>			-Mika

These two just came in yesterday where I get my comics.



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From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Assorted Weirdness for Christmas (or the Solstice)
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:14:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GaTEA, Slug Division

In <lsmith.717976545@mega> lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>So I'm paging through the December catalog from a distributor (no need
>to give them a free plug) and the number of swell gifts for the winter
>holidays is just staggering. Ready?

>Milk and Cheese Poster. The "Merv Griffin!" page from their first
>collection. It's in full color this time. $5

Does anyone else think Evan Dorkin could make lots of money by allowing
these to be personalized?  ("Rob Liefeld! Rob Liefeld!")

-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
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From: shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Marvel Collector's Comic
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:17:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20829
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


 > In fact, I heard it bites.


  And leaves a bad taste in your mouth.


-shawn
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The last message?
Summary: This really is the last.
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:06:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct5.095404.29020@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew High) writes:
>
>Note:  There will never really be a "last" message on rec.arts.comics. 
>Although most systems out there will get rid of this newsgroup, there are
>others out there (like this one) that will never get rid of it.  Take
>rec.arts.startrek as an example of a "dead" newsgroup that was rmgrouped
>months ago.  The level of traffic may slow to a small trickle, but 
>r.a.comics will never really "die".

Nope, this is really the last message. Well, as far as I'm concerned,
anyway. You see, I'm going to post this, then I'm going to read this,
then I'm going to unsubscribe.  End of story.

As John McLaughlin says, "Bye bye!"
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #162
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:00:53 GMT

sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman):
>*wince* That's "Elrod," Dani.  Tsk tsk tsk.  Elrond is the Tolkien 
>character.

Oops.  Freudian slip.  I must have been thinking of Elrond Hubbard.
From: jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan D. Lyness)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman #43 (definitely no spoilers)
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:56:22 GMT
Organization: Junior, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


This was a great issue, no doubt. But, to the reason of my post:

Does anyone else think that the boxer in the advertisement on the inside
back cover looks _exactly_ like Despair?

(I'm serious. Go get your issue and look!)


-Jon