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From: mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu (Sting)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: A thought about Rialto
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:39:52 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <1992Sep3.212202.26775@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu> cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles) writes:

>I had a thought about making the Rialto work a little more efficiently.

>My idea is to make the Rialto "slightly moderated," in that it could
>have subject-area moderators.

[ ... ]

>Is this system, or something like it, workable?  How much would it
>reduce noise?


From my perspective here, the Rialto has one of the highest signal-to-noise
ratios of any group with similar amounts of traffic on the Internet.  It is
truly refreshing compared to the sheer wall of dreck that confronts me some
mornings wading through the fifty or so groups I keep up with.

Given the amount of traffic that comes through the Rialto in a given day, 
on a huge variety of topics, a moderator's life could quickly become a morass
of drudgery.

I do not believe that it is necessary for us to implement such a bureaucratic
mess as that; we should let the opinions of the Knowne Worlde continue to be
expressed freely and with the same good care and conscience that most of the
contributors to the Rialto seem to have shown throughout the time I've been 
scanning its subject lines.  After all, isn't that what Society courtesy and
respect are all about?


One in favour of less government,
Cragin


Cragin von Pfeffenhausen
Minstrel for Dragon Clan
Sting@Dartmouth.EDU / mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu / (603) 643-5716
  all requests granted!
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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:56:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.135551.9612@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day) writes:
>
>How about "port-a-fort" for a _large_ shield.
>
Also known as the "Meridian WarDoor."

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: helm@garnet.ucdavis.EDU
Subject: various and sundry
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:30:38 GMT

Regarding accents:

There was a wonderful bbc series a few years ago called the History of
English, in which the point was made that the back bay boston and 
northern new england accents were directly descended from the accents
of 17th century east anglian english.  I suppose this implies, of 
course, that somethings as quintessiantially american as leaving one's
sweatah in the caah at Haavaad Yaad is as close to period as one can 
get?!?

Bunny Rounds:

I will argue with Wolfgang's assertion that bunny rounds are prevalent 
in the Mists as a shield form.  I would say that they are popular with 
certain south bay groups, but I really do opine that heaters out number 
the bunny rounds in the mists.   

Fighter Slang:

How about "pump fakes", known to east bay fighters as a Houghton fake 
#1?  Iron Chicken is another, also called a hanging guard, which leaves 
the fighter using it liable to "anvilling", ie getting the sword broken 
against the shield when an opponent's weapon strikes it (three 
incidences of anvilling, and the weapon is considered broekn, or is it 
two...where did I pack my fighting conventions of the West, hm?)

Vehicles at Pennsic:

Tow 'em all, and dump them in the lake!  (Just an opinion, mind you :-)

Drum at Midnight:

Ah, a pet peeve of mine...  I, for one, am one of the great recreational 
sleepers of this world.  I hate loud parties and drumming at events 
which go on after a reasonable hour (read midnight).  I really do need 
my less-than-ugly sleep (an underslept, under-caffeinated Twcs in the 
morning is a terrible sight to behold... ;-)  I suppose I've gotten 
spoiled by Western events, where the partying does shut down at 
midnight...  I won't take it amiss if other kingdoms adopted the custom 
too.  I suppose I might not object so much if I weren't so jaded by 
modern cabaret middle eastern dancing done to bad drumming.  I supposed
I just opened myself up to withering flaming again (yep, that's me,
open mouth, change foot), but hey, it's just an opinion...  

Nulla Convivium Post Media Noctem!

and for that matter, Regna? Quae Alia Regna?

Jeez, that's what you get when I post at o'dark thirty...

Twcs (run away.........)

<Yo, Balderick, I lost your email address in the move.  Did you get
the stuff I mailed you?>
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: ancient kilt; fabric width
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:47:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <714466077.F00002@ocitor.fidonet> Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton) writes:

>    Item:  The *modern* tartan is a twill.  This (generally?) requires 
> either a 4-harness loom or careful hand-picking.  I think this would 
> be rather difficult on a Warp-weighted loom (but haven't tried it). 
> Mind you, I'm not sure how this relates to what the Scots wore in our 
> period, that's part of the modern definition:  it's not tartan unless 
> it's twill.

	Nope, all the popular 3 and 4 shaft twills and derivitives ie
herringbone, diamond and broken diamond were first done on the warp-weighted
loom, but they used 1 less harness because of the free shed. Thus 4 shaft 
twills used 3 shed sticks plus the free shed, tabby requires only 1 shed 
stick. I tried to warp up Thora's loom this year, but the weather got too
unpleasant and I didn't finish. One of these years (dream).	
						-Ilaine
						
						

-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Subduing evil by dancing on a dwarf,
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Nataraja, the lord of Dance, 
                   | 	bestows grace on the world.
ilaine@panix.com   | 
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From: SHICOFF@unc.oit.unc.EDU
Subject: Re:  Born on the Listfield
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:21:00 GMT

I wonder if that was Niall, or I, that Adelais heard
singing?  I have no clue just how many times we sang
it this year.  Usually we are good about prefacing
it with the standard disclaimer "the author of this
song has requested (Sir Richard IronAx from Ansteorra?
--maybe one of the Aten-Ansteorra people will correct me on the
name?) that it never be written down, but must be
passed on orally."  This seems like a very fitting &
reasonable request, so we don't write it down, & make
other people we teach it to (visions of a class at
Atlantian University--all right now, class, for the
30th time, "I was born....") promise likewise.
Sorry.  You're right, it's a WONDERFUL song.  One
of the best morning-afters I have had in the last year
was waking up to a group of the populace trying to
repeat what they had heard me singing the night before--
Born on the Listfield, of course.  They sang the bits
they could remember (enthusiastically) & & went "mumble,
mumble" on the parts they couldn't.  Best I can offer
is that Niall and/or I occaisionally get up to Mountain
Confed. events.  Catch one of us, & we'll sing it over,
& over, & over, til you have it.
Bye,
Julitta
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:09:12 GMT
Organization: Ti Rhos Dhubh

Branwen writes:
>
>A bunny round is actually a short Spanish half-round, initially popularized
>by Radnor of Guildemar, and exceedingly popular among Guildemarians (Radnor's
>household, squires, ex-squires, and ex-squire's squires). It's also called
>the Radnor round.
>

Ha!  When *I* first saw that shield, 7 or 8 years agone, they were
calling it a "Wankel" -- as in the shape of the rotary engine...

	- Siobhan


Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa, ORL, OGB, etc.
Argent, a pale vert, surmounted in base by a lion dormant or, on a chief
wavy vert an Irish harp or.
>>In article <BtnItz.By0@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>>>I have never encountered either the term "bunny round" or the thing itself
>>>outside of the West and Caid.
>
>>I don't know if the name is used outside the West but I know that Duke
>>Jade of Starfall likes to use a "bunny round", and it seems to be a
>>shield of preferance with Misties in general.
>
>A bunny round is actually a short Spanish half-round, initially popularized
>by Radnor of Guildemar, and exceedingly popular among Guildemarians (Radnor's
>household, squires, ex-squires, and ex-squire's squires). It's also called
>the Radnor round.
>

Ha!  When *I* first saw that shield, 7 or 8 years agone, they were
calling it a "Wankel" -- as in the shape of the rotary engine...

	- Siobhan


Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa, ORL, OGB, etc.
Argent, a pale vert, surmounted in base by a lion dormant or, on a chief
wavy vert an Irish harp or.
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Robin hood recast
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 02:16:06

 -=> David Schroeder said to All on 08-28-92  23:55 <=- 

 DS> Well, given all that stuff, I thought I'd jump on the ol' Covington
 DS> Cross/Robin Hood bandwagon and encourage folks to "recast" the
 DS> "greats" of the Robin Hood mythos with famous folks from their corner
 DS> of the SCA. Who would YOU like to see in the following roles for YOUR
 DS> kingdom, principality, or territory's production?

Well......not too long ago I got to thinking about my name, and about the
members of my household in relation to the Robin (of Locksley) stories...
So, here's what we came up with one night:

 Robin of Sherwood: -guess!-
 Maid Marian: Cherie Ruadh MhicRath of Locksley
 The Sheriff of Nottingham: (I take the Fifth Amendment!)
 King Richard: Siegfried v. Hoefflichkeit
 Prince John: (see Sheriff!)
 Little John: Denis of the Titans
 Will Scarlett: Richard of Arkham, called "the Strange"
 Friar Tuck: Dale the Small (deceased now, and much missed)

 DS> For that matter, does anyone have any nominations for the 
 DS> "All Rialto" version?  Perhaps...

 DS> o Dorothea (this is virtual, folks) or perhaps Esmeralda as Marian
       ^^^^^^^^
In a heartbeat! YES!

 DS> Sheriff (or maybe Ioseph if he'd change his clothes...)
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmmmmm! (twirling waxed moustache...fingering goatee.....looking at his
Richard I period garb.......)

                                                        -Ioseph of Locksley
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^
                                                         Grumpy Bandit


... If guns are outlawed, how can we shoot the Royals?
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From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:22:38 GMT


In a previous article, Hossein Ali Qomi writes:

>Aryk recently posted:
>
>>Of course, to paraphrase great Scot, the King of Scotland was as Scottish
>>as the Queen of England's teats...
>

[bit of tongue-in-cheek history lesson omitted]

Ooh, I just love it when he sneaks in historical facts disguised as
sarcasm! 8-)  <-- (smiley'd for the humor-impaired)

Mikjal Annarbjorn
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: STUMILBY@EKU.BITNET ("And the sand shifts back into the sea...I am gone")
Subject: Readings About Horses
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:18:07 GMT



Greeting!

While I have Just returned to campus I am still
trying to finish the digest from last may......

Several comments were made(forgive me if this is old news)
 about horses at pennsic...the inappropability...the problems
 and those to take care of them...


While I have yet to go to Pennsic...I can understand
these problems...I have broken horses for 10 years and
have done shoeing for 6....

Only the best of horses would be suitable to take to
pennsic...crowds...loud noises...and even odors can
cause a horse to bolt....
While my proud-cut 10 yr old spirited babyfied roan
would be unsuitable ...I have a 20 year old.......
4 time (4-H) state fair winner retired mare that
you can fight from sleep under and feels comfortable
in the middle of 20 5 year old....SHE would be perfect

Diapers????? Diapers were common in several instances...
But I am not sure how far back the practice was common
in the royal courtyards....the horses wore diapers...
there were severe restrictions on littering and odor
making and ofter a royal mount would be brought indoors
if sick or to foal and the same precautions would be used.


Hoof Care.... Being a blacksmith does not equate with knowing
anything about horses... I know several that are even horse phobic.
I apprenticed to 3 years to learn to cold shoe...doing anything
from counting nails to hoof holding and have since had several
apprentices.
...A good pair of shoes should last no less that 6 Weeks ...
one week of pennsic should be no problem...sores or bruises just
take time to heal...not new shoes...



Forgive me if any of this was too old to worry about...

In the Dream

Morana Revel
From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: a thought
Summary: Same sex pair on thrones
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:53:29 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Walburga Ingsdottir writes:
> assuming that a number of wild flights of fancy actually happen, to wit:
> 1) i learn to do battle;
> 2) i win the crown tourney; and
> 3) i actually HAVE a lady;
> can i make my lady queen by my side?  or do i have to come up with a lord
> somewhere?  i'd really rather have my lady, and sit upon my throne and listen
> as the scealds sing of her beauty (ok, so i lack a lady, but thelady i would
> have if she woudl have me is beautiful).  of course, i doubt that Wyrd holds
> out the kingship for me, but it is good to plan ahead!

Nope!  Back when Yngvar was Prince of AEthelmearc, about two years ago, a
certain lord petitioned Yngvar _publicly_ to allow his lord to fight for him
in Coronet Tourney.  He would even take a female persona to do so.  Yngvar was 
caught flat-footed by this request but had enough presence of mind to say no 
more than that he would take it under consideration with his royal officers.  
When he consulted us, none of us were sure of our ground.  We said to tell the 
lord he needed permission from the BoD to do so.  Yngvar did so, and the gentle
wrote to the BoD.  The word came back from the BoD, in no uncertain terms, that
*ANY* couple, occupying *ANY* set of thrones, on *ANY* level; royal, principal,
or baronial, *MUST* consist of one (1) biological male and one (1) biological
female, *NO* substitutions for *ANY* reason.  They didn't care if the couple
was husband and wife, friends, lovers, brother and sister, mother and son, 
father and daughter, etc.  Nor did they care if the _personas_ were both male, 
both female, crossed, or normal.  One male, one female, period.  As the
verifying phone-call supposedly put it, "All that matters is what's down
there when ya drops ya pants."  Sorry! :-(  If perchance event 1) and 2) 
occur, have your "official lord" on the other throne (your "marriage" was
part of the treaty between your two warring countries) and your paramour on
a satin pillow at your feet.  She can sit on your other side at high table.
It's been done before.
                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

THE LAST THREE WINNERS OF AETHELMEARC CORONET TOURNEY HAVE BEEN...
_A_riel       fighting for the wife of Sir Raimund  of Rhydderich Hael
_B_ear        fighting for the wife of Sir Ogami    of Rhydderich Hael
_C_hristopher fighting for the wife of Sir Carthalo of Rhydderich Hael
  "Hello? Sir Bedawyr? This is _D_agonell.  If you're not fighting for your
   wife Lena in the next Coronet Tourney, I have a proposition for you ..."
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Heraldry and Copyright Law
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:41:47 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <7336@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu>, bnostran@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand) writes:
> Gentles!
>
> Recently there has been some discussion on the heralds list about
> whether SCA armoury is protected by copyright law, whether it
> should be and if so who owns it.  I believe that this is one
> aspect of a general question concerning what the society as a
> whole expects from the "protection" afforded by registration
> with the CoA.  Thus, I hope that there will be some discussion
> of what the populace desires in regards to name and device
> "protection."
>
>                                       Your Humble Servant
>                                       Solveig Throndardottir
>                                       Totally Ignorant

        I assume you mean mundane protection of SCA arms, yes? Not
being a legal type, it is probably necessary to apply for copyright
on your arms, according to the requirements of the legal system of
your country. Simply registering your arms with the SCA may not be
sufficient to prevent mundane use of them without your consent.
Some countries (eg England) have seperate legal entities to administer
the registration and protection of arms (The Royal College of Arms).
I don't know what the requirements are for the mundane granting of
arms in England, but it may not be possible to register and receive
mundane protection of SCA arms in England (but don't take my word on
that).

        I am not a Herald. I have never been a Herald. I hope I shall
never be a Herald. 8-)


           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.
From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:41:41 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Aryk writes:
>
> If every person who came to Pennsic got a token for one free entry, then
> people without cars could sell or trade their tokens (trade for town
> runs, f'rinstance),

Hmmm.  An interesting idea, which might even be coupled with auxiliary 
rear-view mirror tags displaying the date and time of entry (to lessen
the chance of someone abusing the system by keeping the cars in camp
for too long)?


> and people who like to drive up to battles could get
> all the fighters to carpool all week, then use their tokens for the big
> mechanised assault on the battlefield...

Gah -- what happened to the OLD days, when fighters had to slog though mud
and blinding rain in full armour in order to get to the battles...  eleven
miles...  uphill...  both ways... ?  ;-)

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From: jailbait@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jailbait)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: A couple of requests and something to think about.
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:13:02 GMT
Reply-To: jailbait@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: JB Distribution Uninc.

In article <1992Aug31.210714.7945@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> greg@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Hossein Ali Qomi (mka Gregory F. Rose)) writes:

   Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:07:14 GMT

   Shame on you, Dagonell.  If the bounder wants to chase jailbait with a
   literate tag, he should have to do it the old fashioned way: years of
   training in classical and medieval Latin.  It was good enough for old
   farts like us, it's good enough for him...:-)

   No shortcuts for well-educated decadence!

   Hossein/Greg

Excuse me, but I should think that if any such bounder should have any
such desire to chase me, she  (or he) should first /ask/ me...
I still don't have documentation for it, but I do have at least one
herald digging for me....(You out there, Brand?)
Until that time, 
I remain,
Yours, In Service
Richard Bateman (societally (vaguely))
mka Jailbait
"The Loud and Pushy One; Founding member, The Pennsic Late Night Dance
Cabal"


--
"No, I /DON'T/ know where Karl is!"
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Historical Accuracy (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:44:41 GMT

My considered opinion is that the premiere episode of Covington Cross was
cut down from a two-hour pilot.  This would account for a lot of the broken
threads in the plot (such as the Frenchwoman).

There was far more that was historically accurate in this film than other-
wise.  Particularly impressive is the idea of the feuding barons, which is
frequently ignored in popular entertainments based on the Middle Ages.  It
is good to see a well-meaning but weak king for a change.

Also remember that this is fiction.  In fiction the author gets to decide
what people wear, and the way they talk, and the equipment they use.  While
I might prefer to see the Middle Ages replicated on screen, the producer,
director, and writers of the show might prefer to (f'rinstance) make a clearer
distinction between knights and lesser men-at-arms by putting the knights in
much more technologically-developed armour.

Ever watched St. Elsewhere with a doctor?

Aryk Nusbacher
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re:  Born on the Listfield
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:28:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: The Rialto

Greetings all, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.  Julitta (hi!) writes of
the song "Born on the List Field":

>                                "the author of this
>song               (Sir Richard IronAx from Ansteorra?
>--maybe one of the Aten-Ansteorra people will correct me on the
>name?) 

Master Ivar Battleskald wrote the poem.  (The melody, I am told, is
not the one he uses, which is said to be _very_ different.)

And yes, he absolutely wants it to pass by oral tradition, not
by writing.  Respecting that desire is obviously a good and honorable
thing, quite independent of authenticity issues (song lyrics _were_
written down in period in many cultures -- medieval Europe was not
a preliterate culture -- but that seems to me irrelevant to his desires).
Also, of course, he holds the mundane copyright.

It is a marvelous poem, well worth listening to until you have it down.

Cheers,

Angharad/Terry
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Sca in literature
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 02:25:10

 -=> David Salley said to All on 08-30-92  22:01 <=- 

 DS> I thought people might be interested in a few recent 
 DS> mentions of the SCA in SF.

 DS> Title: The Wizardry Compiled
 DS> Author: Rick Cook
 DS> ISBN: 0-671-72078-3
 DS> Prequel: Wizard's Bane (0-671-69803-6)
 DS> Sequel: The Wizardry Cursed (0-671-72049)

Who was known as Count Sir Richard Ironsteed, the first King of Atenveldt,
and a long time close personal friend. He is no longer active, more's the 
pity.

                                                        -Ioseph of Locksley

... The SCA: We built a better snake-cult!
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