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From: joe@zitt (Joe Zitt)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Alternative is dead!
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:10:14 CDT
Organization: The Shekhinah Project, Austin, TX

00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

> 
> Hey, kids, just a little news:
> 
> ALTERNATIVE MUSIC IS DEAD
> 
> Yes, that's right, the stuff you know as alternative is now just part of the 
> whole corporate rock scheme of things.  The Cure? Depeche Mode?  Alternative
> no more.  (Don't get me wrong, I LIKE them, but I no longer consider them 
> "alternative," for more than a few reasons)  I finally realized this when wit
> nessing the video debacle known as the new Teenage Fanclub video.  I guess
> Alex Chilton/Big Star rehashes are the "future" of rock.

I've been continually amused by the term "alternative rock". I haven't been
able to figure out what it was supposed to be an alternative to. For the
most part, it's sounded like '70s retreads to me (though I must admit that
Nirvana is an enjoyable attempt at sounding like Boston.)

When I was in College (over 10 years ago): I ran a couple of Alternative
Music Festivals, which included several gamelans, an all-improv jazz group,
electronic environments, an evening of piano music from Fluxus and beyond,
an improv synthesizer trio, several outdoor pieces for voice and electronics,
and a performance of solo clarinet works. Only one concert in the whole time
was of anything like rock bands, and the three groups were each heavily into
homegrown synthesizer and structural experiments.
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From: mwcebela@vela.acs.oakland.edu (mwcebela)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Alternative is dead!
Summary: you're so right...
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:02:42 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <1992Apr14.122447.6334@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
> 
> Hey, kids, just a little news:
> 
> ALTERNATIVE MUSIC IS DEAD
> 
> Yes, that's right, the stuff you know as alternative is now just part of the 
> whole corporate rock scheme of things.  The Cure? Depeche Mode?  Alternative
> no more.  (Don't get me wrong, I LIKE them, but I no longer consider them 
> "alternative," for more than a few reasons)  I finally realized this when wit-
> nessing the video debacle known as the new Teenage Fanclub video.  I guess
> Alex Chilton/Big Star rehashes are the "future" of rock.
  YEP, COMMERCIAL ALTERNATIVE IS BEGINNING TO BE JUST AS EXPOSED AS TOP 40 
OR RAP OR METAL, ETC. IS THIS A BAD THING??? ACTUALLY I LOOK AT IT AS WHAT 
SHOULD RESULT IN A BETTER CHANCE FOR THE NON-COMMERCIAL UNDERGROUND BANDS
TO GET THEIR MUSIC HEARD ( WHICH EXCEPT FOR THE MONEY WOULD BE THE BEST REASON
FOR BANDS EXISTING IN THE FIRST PLACE). BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IF
THERE HAS TO BE AN "ALTERNATIVE" MUSIC CLASSIFICATION, I SEE THE "UNDERGROUND"
AS BEING THE NEW ALTERNATIVE. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR GOOD NEW MUSIC YOU SURE 
WONT FIND IT ON 89X OR 91X OR WHATEVER.... OH WELL I COULD GO ON FOREVER...

> 
> The true alternative lies in the underground, i.e. Crass, Citizen Fish, Nausea,
> Misery, Jesus Lizard, Fugazi, etc.  > 
> 
> BE FOOLED NO LONGER!!!  WAKE UP!!!  THERE IS NO LONGER ANY ALTERNATIVE!!!!!!
>   JEF Weasel   

IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TIME WE START SPREADING A DIFFERENT BUZZ WORD FOR THESE 
BANDS THEN BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THEY'LL BE THE "NEXT GREAT ALTERNATIVE
BAND" ....ALA NIRVANA!!!!!!!!  UGH IT'S REALLY SAD!!

PEACE 
THE HOCKEY GOD(MWCEBELA@OAK.OAKLAND.EDU)
...I'VE GOT AN OPINION ON EVERYTHING. JUST TRY ME.
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: erwin@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu (Edgar Erwin)
Subject: Re: diamanda galas in s.f.
Reply-To: erwin@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:35:50 GMT

Bruce Becker writes
==> In article <31128@darkstar.ucsc.edu> mantis@ucscb.ucsc.edu writes:
==> |
==> |diamanda galas will be performing wednesday april 15th
==> | at the palace of fine arts in san francisco
==> 
==> 
==> 	and she'll be appearing at the Opera House
==> 	in Toronto on Monday, April 27
==> 

And she'll be in Chi-town sometime soon also, but I forget when.  (Cabaret  
Metro?)  Anyway, can someone tell me what to expect at her concert?  I  
have only heard her voice for about 1 minute once, and have seen a few  
pictures of her in concert.  Must say she looks/sounds quite interesting,  
but I haven't seen enough to know if I should bother driving up to the  
concert.  Does she do mostly music, or would you call it performance art?   
Does she only ever sing about the same theme (AIDS)?  Any comments?

Ed erwin@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
From: terry@rod.mitre.org (Terry Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Re: diamanda galas in s.f.
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:13:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr8.211335.14237
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

She'll also be at the 9:30 Club in Wash, DC on 4/23 (following 2 nights
of Hank Rollins & co.)

       Terry
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:38:25 GMT

After reading all the reponses about the reorganization of the
music newsgroups, how about the following changes:

alt.emusic	                => alt.music.electronic
alt.exotic-music                => alt.music.exotic
alt.thrash	                => alt.music.thrash
alt.guitar	                => alt.music.guitar
alt.bass                        => alt.music.bass
alt.rock-n-roll                 => alt.music.rock
alt.rock-n-roll.acdc            => alt.music.rock.acdc
alt.rock-n-roll.metal           => alt.music.metal
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy     => alt.music.metal.speed
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica => alt.music.metal.metallica

And the creation of the following newsgroups:

alt.music.rock.hard
alt.music.guitar.tab

"Let the madness begin" - Ozzy Osbourne

Maple

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From: 00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Alternative is dead!
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:24:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr14.122447.6334


Hey, kids, just a little news:

ALTERNATIVE MUSIC IS DEAD

Yes, that's right, the stuff you know as alternative is now just part of the 
whole corporate rock scheme of things.  The Cure? Depeche Mode?  Alternative
no more.  (Don't get me wrong, I LIKE them, but I no longer consider them 
"alternative," for more than a few reasons)  I finally realized this when wit-
nessing the video debacle known as the new Teenage Fanclub video.  I guess
Alex Chilton/Big Star rehashes are the "future" of rock.


The true alternative lies in the underground, i.e. Crass, Citizen Fish, Nausea,
Misery, Jesus Lizard, Fugazi, etc.  
If you want alternative, scope out these bands.



BE FOOLED NO LONGER!!!  WAKE UP!!!  THERE IS NO LONGER ANY ALTERNATIVE!!!!!!



Have a nice day.


                                JEF Weasel
From: marques@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: CICS AND COBOL
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:58:28 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Library Automation Team

In article <1992Mar31.174055.12872@kingston.ac.uk>, cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
> 
> I am going to be using CICS with COBOL in a couple of months time.
> Can someone tell me what CICS is ?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Richard Smart
> Kingston Polytechnic.

CICS (Customer Information Control System) is basically an operating system
within an operating system.  It is IBMs front line transaction processing 
systems (online database) and provides the following facilities:

	multi tasking - without having to go to the os
	inter process communication 
	terminal/printer management - via BMS (basic map support)
	data management - VSAM/SQL?

It is very good at its job (we had 150+ users on a 9370 box) and runs on most 
major IBM platforms (production on VSE and MVS, development versions on VM 
and OS/2).  A knowledge of CICS + COBOL can get you lots of money in the
real world(tm).  Make sure that you are trained in Command level CICS (the
macro level version is going out of fasion very quickly (pity our application
needs this)).  If you want more info then I can send you the IBM manual 
number for the CICS/COBOL primer. 

-- 
Jose Marques, (NOT a COBOL programmer) Systems Programmer
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: How much COBOL?
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:21:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr11.172150.18243
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

How widespread is COBOL programming? 

How much could a COBOL programmer expect to make, say compared to 
one who knows C or Pascal or Modula-2?

Do most programming jobs require you know more than one language?

Scott (two more years before I have to start thinking about stuff like this)
From: marques@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: cobol
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:04:06 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Library Automation Team

In article <1992Apr1.035318.13973@bohra.cpg.oz.au>, ejp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Esmond Pitt) writes:
> In article <1992Mar31.140133.28597@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>
>> One of them is right here trying to get a dumb validation program 
>> ready for class...amazing, though, that COBOL has a bubble sort built in
>> to the langauge. 
> 
> I know students are obessed with bubble sorts, but COBOL does not have
> a bubble sort built into the language. It has a SORT verb, whose
> internal operation is undefined, and a SEARCH statement whose internal
> operation is also undefined in certain cases. The choice of
> algorithm is in both cases implementor-defined.
> 
> [Spoken as an implementor.]
> 
> 
> -- 
> Esmond Pitt, Computer Power Group
> ejp@bohra.cpg.oz

If you want to do sorts on an IBM mainframe then I recommend using their
SORT/MERGE utility.  I've only used it from PL/I but it's a hell of a lot
easier than coding your own.

-- 
Jose Marques, Systems Programmer
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From: elkes@sun1.is.battelle.org (Jay Elkes)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: cobol sorts
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:04:03 GMT
Organization: Battelle, Information Systems; Columbus, Ohio

>If you want to do sorts on an IBM mainframe then I recommend using their
>SORT/MERGE utility.  I've only used it from PL/I but it's a hell of a lot
>easier than coding your own.
>
Last I looked, IBM mainframes implemented their SORT verb as exit
procedures to their SORT/MERGE utility. This allows you to thin out
records before sorting them (on an input procedure) or to avoid a pass
of the file during output. For large files where you have to process
the data anyway, this can save you a pass of the file and its
associated time and costs. In such cases, an internal sort is the
economic choice.


Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: scoggin@daisy.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Subject: Re: How much COBOL?
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company, Newark DE
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 12:08:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.172150.18243@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>How widespread is COBOL programming? 
>

	There is a LOT of it around.  Most of the COBOL programming here at
	Delmarva is maintenance of existing applications.  Most of the new
	systems are being developed in 4th generation languages like NATURAL,
	FOCUS, or SAS.

>How much could a COBOL programmer expect to make, say compared to 
>one who knows C or Pascal or Modula-2?
>
	You get paid pretty much the same here.  Systems analysts and programmers
	are expected to know several languages.  It is not unusual for a person
	to have some expertise in several 4GL's, COBOL, and FORTRAN here.  C
	programming is pretty new in our environment, although we network
	folks have been into UNIX and C for about 7 years now.

>Do most programming jobs require you know more than one language?
>
	See above.

>Scott (two more years before I have to start thinking about stuff like this)
	No, you're thinking about it at the right time - BEFORE graduation.
	I would suggest that you find yourself an internship for a couple
	of summers - it makes a very big difference when employers look at
	your resume...

	- John

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From: yvonne@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Interactive Program --> using CONTROL "UPPER"
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:10:37 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


Hi.

Does anyone know how to get similar results to the 
procedure division CONTROL "UPPER" command in the
Screen Section?  I am using RM/COBOL (educational
version).  I need to use this for first name/last name
input fields that I have defined in the Screen
Section, because I need to make sure that the input
data gets written to the indexed file in all caps.

	Thanks,

	Yvonne (yvonne@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
From: kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: COBOL-74 Standard
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:00:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ifi.1992Apr8.150007.2713
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science

I am looking for the ANSI Second Standard COBOL X3.23-1974.

Does anyone have any info on where to order this document? I'd 
be particularly interested in someone telling me how and where
this standard can be ordered in Europe.

Does anyone (in Europe) posses a copy of this document who would be
willing to make it available for us for a certain amount of time?

Thanks for any hints!


Markus Kiser
Institut fuer Informatik, Universitaet Zuerich, Switzerland
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: nolan@tssi.com (Michael Nolan)
Subject: Re: Cobol in Business?
Reply-To: nolan@tssi.com
Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:21:20 GMT

mah2@ra.msstate.edu (Michael Andrew Hodges) writes:

>Hey, I know COBOL very well! But not too many other languages.
>What chance do I have to get a job writing COBOL programs for a company?

Get a copy of COMPUTERWORLD or the Sunday want ads from the major cities
near you.  You'll find a fair number of ads for COBOL programmers.

>I hope it is good! I know a little C and a little Pascal but not enough
>to write for a company without additional training!

The odds are you will need additional training, no matter WHAT languages
you currently know and what one(s) you are hired to program in.
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Tailored Software Services, Inc.    America, at the U. S. Mint"  (Gallagher)   
Lincoln, Nebraska (402) 423-1490  
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: jkristof@lucpul.it.luc.edu (NiteLine)
Subject: Wanted: COBOL compiler
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:38:26 GMT

The title pretty much says it all.  Can someone direct me to a good
COBOL compiler for the PC.  I've got COBOL701.ZIP but am having 
some trouble on figuring it out.  It has hardly any documentation.
Can anyone steer me in the right direction or give me help with
the compiler I do have.  Thank you.

Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: cy@dbase.a-t.com (Cy Shuster)
Subject: Re: Object-Oriented Cobol (or COOBOL)
Originator: cy@genghis
Organization: Borland
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:31:01 GMT

I thought it was going to be called "ADD ONE TO COBOL"   :-)

--Cy--

Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: reidk@skorpio.Usask.CA (Karen Reid)
Subject: Low end Pfaff quality?
Reply-To: reidk@skorpio.Usask.CA (Karen Reid)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:14:22 GMT

My mom is considering buying a Pfaff Finesse 157 (I think that's the
right number) which is on sale for $200 (Canadian dollars).  I have
a more expensive Pfaff which I love dearly but I don't know anything
about the quality of their less expensive models.  The machine she
is looking at just does straight stitch, zig zag, and a mending stitch(?).
She doesn't need anything fancier than that but is concerned about things
like getting an even feed and holding a proper tension.

Does anyone have any experience with this machine or any other Pfaff 
machine in this range?

Thanks for your help
Karen Reid
reidk@cs.usask.ca
reidk@skorpio.usask.ca
From: wentzell@ace.acadiau.ca (LEEANN WENTZELL)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: stretch needles
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:03:57 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

I discovered something very interesting this weekend. I was sewing denim 
overalls for my daughter, but my needles kept breaking because of the 
thickness of the material at the seams. I know I could have trimmed the seam 
allowances, but I find that, after several washings, I often get fraying. 
Anyway, I broke my last regular needle, and, since it was Sunday (stores 
aren't open in Canada on Sun.) I had to use a "jersey" needle. I was 
amazed!! It went through the denim like a hot knife through butter! I 
finished the pants without sacrificing any more needles. These weren't the 
expensive needles either - just cheapies I got on sale. Anybody else had 
this experience?

Lee Ann
From: mackay@adobe.com (Debbie MacKay)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Z'Out
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:32:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1992Apr16.003211.16962
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

There was some recent discussion about how harsh Woolite really
is to fine washables, and various substitutes were suggested. 
Has anyone had any experience with the "delicate" soap called
Z'Out? I first saw it in Nancy's Notions catalog, but also
just recently saw it for sale at New York Fabrics, too. The
ingredients are not listed. 

Any comments appreciated.

Deborah MacKay                                      mackay@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated                 {sun|decwrl}!adobe!mackay
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Re: How to make curved hems in knits?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 03:06:58 GMT

On 3 Apr 92 18:37:06 GMT, marg@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Margaret Minsky) said:

> I am going to copy a knit skirt. The design can be described as a
> plain skirt with another layer "flap" over the front. The flap is sewn
> into both side seams but has a curved "diagonal" hem, so that it is
> the full legnth of the skirt front on one side, and about 1/3 the
> length on the other side. 

> I am looking for hints on hemming the curved flap hem so it lies flat
> but still stretches etc. 

My machine does have a true stretch stitch :-) (Thank you, Viking), however,
on my last machine (now with my sister, who uses it for quilting calicoes -
about all the stupid thing was good for - mid-weight cotton) I was reduced to
using a *very* narrow (about .5mm) zigzag stitch for such work.  You might
also consider using the rolled hem foot with that narrow zig-zag.  If all else
fails, there is a product in the latest Clotilde catalogue that you might want
to investigate - they have a product called "threadfuse" - you simply stitch a
straight seam, then press.  It is dry-cleanable and machine-washable after
fusing.  If it stops bias from rippling, as they claim, it may be just your
ticket.  (I haven't used this product yet, but have been generally satisfied
with most of the stuff from her catalog).  FYI her "orderline" is
1/800/772-2891 and the "customer service number" is 1/800/545-4002 M-F 8:30-5
Eastern Time.  Also FYI, what you are trying to make is what they call a
"sarong" skirt.  Good luck (and if all else fails, you can always stitch the
hem by hand :-( ...)

karen (posting from Daniel's account)
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From: jane@syrinx.umd.edu (LadyJane)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: A T-shirt quilt
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:35:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


Someone suggested before that a good use for numerous T-shirts
is to make a quilt out of them. I thought it was a good idea 
at the time, but I don't have any T-shirts, so I didn't save
the postings.
Now, one of my friends at work wants a quilt made out of her
piles of T-shirts! Did someone save the postings? 
Would you please send them to me?
I'm not real good at quilt-making, but I think that the
T-shirt pieces would have to be bonded or backed with
something stronger, because T-shirt material is too frail
for a quilt.
Thanks,
Jane

Xref: sparky alt.sewing:1273 rec.crafts.textiles:843
From: carolp@techbook.com (Carolyn Peterson)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing,rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Re: HELP with Snaps...PLEASE!
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:56:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Apr11.005645.12111
Distribution: na
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix



I also had trouble using the snap applicator for the pronged snaps.
Even if I could get the snaps in so they looked secure, they sometimes
came apart later.  I decided not to use them since I didn't want one
of my children to find part of a pronged snap from their clothing
someday!

My solution was to use the size 2 snaps that are sewn on.  The smaller
sizes didn't stay snapped very well when being worn.  Most of the
ready made clothing I saw would only have 3 snap sets on each coverall
leg, so that is all I put on the ones I made, too.  I used 4
buttonhole stitches for each of the 4 holes in the snaps and I didn't
have any come off later.

It's interesting to see all of the solutions people came up with and
nice to know I wasn't the only one having problems with this.




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From: leeann@huxley.bitstream.com (Leeann Sack)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: HELP with Snaps...PLEASE!
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:28:59 GMT
Organization: Bitstream, Inc. - Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: hackney@luigi.enet.dec.com's message of 6 Apr 92 16:25:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.162516.12996@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com> hackney@luigi.enet.dec.com (Kirsten Werne) writes:


	   not an expert).  Anyway, the one piece jumpsuit was all done except
	   for putting in the 9 snaps in the crotch.  I have a Dritz snap
	   applicator...I figured this would be the easy part.  Boy, was I wrong!
	   It took me forever (1 1/2 hours, I would guess) to get all of those
	   *&^% snaps in.  I kept having problems with the snaps not lining up
	   correctly so I would have to take them out, etc.  Each time I would
	   have to remove them, I would end up with more holes in the jumpsuit.

I had the same problem with snaps for one piece jumpsuits for my children, too.
I abandoned snaps all together, and just put zippers in the crotch.  This
was a great solution because:

   * it's easier to install
   * it's easier and faster to close after changing
     (my babies didn't wait patiently while I lined up snaps!)
   * it's less drafty in cold weather

Good luck!

Leeann Sack
leeann@bitstream.com
Newsgroups: alt.sewing