HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Family values and the West.
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:37:48 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <samaddar.712590378@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi) writes:
>
>>Very true. I have only read one history text after coming to the States and 
>>that went over the WW2 period with a very brief paragraph or so about the 
>>American concentration camps (in my view thats what they were) for the 
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>While not belittling the sufferring of Japanese-Americans during WW2, you
>should not use the word "concentration camp" for their internment. How many
>Japanese-Americans died in those internments? How many were given starvation
>rations? Compare that with the camps of Hitler and Stalin and then you may
>realize the order of magnitudes of difference.

From /Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary/:

    concentration camp /n/ : a camp where persons (as prisoners of
    war, political prisoners, or refugees) are detained or confined.

Sounds like an appropriate use of the term to me.  They had barbed wire,
guard towers, and armed guards instructed to shoot any internees who
attempted to escape.  Just because the food ration was better than in
Hitler's camps and there was no mass extermination is no reason not
to call them "concentration camps."

There was a proposal at the time to use the internees as hostages, to
insure better treatment of POWs by the Japanese.  As details were learned
of the horrible treatment captured allies received, there were calls for
retaliation against the internees.  Cooler heads prevailed, of course, but
I don't think we should be too self-congratulatory over our restraint.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: Lawyers !!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:18:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.232855.28370@odin.corp.sgi.com> murgesh@sgi.com (Murgesh Navar) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.182525.8241@ecst.csuchico.edu> jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
>>In article <8ePgr1K00VAwMKeEQn@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>The latest Economist gives these figures for lawyers/100,000 population.
>>>
>>>At the top of the list is Pakistan ! (508.4 lawyers/100,000 pop.)
>>
>
>>It shows our high degree of literacy, our keenly logical minds,
>>a high degree of respect for the law and an accute sense of justice.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	If that were true, why'd anybody need that many lawyers ?. :-)
>
>						-murgesh

We all know the lawyers are there to interpret the law for
us law-abiding citizens.  Sometimes we're thrown behind bars
for committing seemingly unlawful acts, with good intentions.

So you see the respect for law exists but lawyers decipher the
ambiguities of the constitution for us.  Actually perhaps the
entire collection of illiterates resides in the National Assembly.
If we could get rid of these "bandars in wascats" (monkeys in
waistcoats) we wouldn't need this army of lawyers to unravel
the contradicting edicts framed by them.

Usman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prem@leland.Stanford.EDU (Prem Kumar)
Subject: Need temporary lodging (1 month), will split rent
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:03:17 GMT


Hi :

I need a place to stay in the Bay area for a month (accepted a job offer
from Seattle and am waiting for my H-1).

I'm a non-smoker, willing to be vegetarian for a month, and house broken. 
Will pay an equitable share of the rent+utilities. If you have an extra
room and are interested, please give me a call at 408 739 6839. 

Thanks,
 Hari
From: phani@sj.ate.slb.com (Phanindra Vemuri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ticket to India..
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:31:08 GMT
Reply-To: phani@sj.ate.slb.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Schlumberger ATE, San Jose


Hi everybody,
I am planning a trip to India in the near future and at this time am ticket-
hunting. I am looking to travel so i get the following benefits:-

1. I earn mileage, if not for the full route at least partially. 

2. I get to spend atleast 8 hrs of the day in Singapore so i can do some 
shopping. If there is an overnight stay either here or anywhere along the way,
than the airline pays for it. However there should be no more than 1 day of
stay altogether.

3. The ticket should cost no more than $1250 in the shoulder season, beginning
September.

Can someone suggest a travel agent that he/she has dealt with and gives a
discount fare?

Another question i had was :- I have a H-1 multiple Visa at this time. Do i
India to visit the consulate of America for any reason at all before i leave
Desh?.
Emigration check-Do i have to get a fresh emigration clearance stamped?

I will summarise all responses.


-Phani  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: May I suggest the Crick virus?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:00:42 GMT

In article <20JUL199220085287@vax2.concordia.ca> debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
>politics and religion have been major ones. Hope I am not offensive/ abusive ?
>- deb chatterjee
>(a good samaritan)

You are.

Ed


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: May I suggest the Crick virus?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:07:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.120458.8807@uoft02.utoledo.edu> pvittal@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE GET THESE TWO BUFFOONS OFF THE NET?
>NOT ONLY ARE THEY DISPLAYING THEIR IMMATURITY TO THE ENTIRE READERSHIP, BUT
>THEY ARE ALSO MISUSING THE NET. I DONT THINK THE NAME "SOC. CULTURE. INDIAN"
>APPLIES TO THIS NEWS GROUP ANY MORE ISNT THERE ANYONE WHO CAN ACT AS
>A MODERATOR OF THIS NEWSGROUP AND BLACKLIST THESE MORONS?

This is not a moderated newsgroup. So praying for a moderating messiah
is a waste of time. Blacklisting! Just try it. ;-) Misuse, immaturity,
buffoon, moron. Let me add a few more. Miscreant, culprit, notorious,
nonsense, scoundrel and so on and so on. Oh for a sordid little
regulated middle class life. I'm told that propitiating the gods is
often of use in such times of frustration. Even the omnipotent will
bend for a small fee. Perhaps an incense stick or two...?

George

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vst4155@zeus.tamu.edu (VIKRAM)
Subject: Re: PBS debate on supercollider...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.120500.18649@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, nvk@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (nishikant.karmali) writes...
> Yesterday on 7/30 on PBS NEWS HOUR there was discussion about Supercollider
> project. This was between Director, Roy Schittes(sp?), Prof Rustom Roy of   
> School in Pa. and two senetors from Louisiana and Arkansas. The way Rustom
>  argued seems like he is from India. His facial expression and language 
>  was like (using the words 'bogus' etc...) something peculiar to our
>  deshi arguments to win the debate and not to didcuss the point. Whereas
>  the director's facial expressions were calm and relaxed.
>   Did anybody watch this program? Any comments.....
> 
> 
>Nishi
 Yes, I watched the program on PBS news hour.  Prof. Rustom Roy's
facial expressions and the rhetoric seemed like he had to win the 
debate.  I was quite pleased to see an Indian expert speak on this 
issue, but his tone was very confrontational, contrary to three other 
speakers.  He had some valid points which he could have brought 
forward in a better way..

Vikram  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Help needed reg. air-travel
Keywords: Air-travel, Discounts, American_Express, Continental_Airlines.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:43:47 GMT

Hi,

I would like to fly from Lafayette, Louisiana to Milwaukee, 
Wisconsin and back, sometime in the first week of August. 
I am an American Express card-member and so I have the
Continental  Airlines' discount coupons. A round-trip would
cost me $199. Now, I would like to know this ---- Is there is 
any other airline that can give me a better deal than that ?
I am prepared to pay the entire amount in advance, if
required.

Please let me know about this if you have any info.

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

--Sudhi.

--
                       Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu    Address : USL PO Box 41688,
Phone : (318)-232-2198 (r)	                    Lafayette, LA 70504-1688.
	(318)-231-6539 (o)                          USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dwaraka@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Dwarkanath Bhupasamudram 832-4804)
Subject: INFO ABOUT EASTERN TEXAS STATE UNIV @ 'COMMERCE' 
Summary: Funding, accredition 
Reply-To: dwaraka@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Dwarkanath Bhupasamudram 832-4804)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:45:18 GMT

INFO ABOUT EASTERN TEXAS UNIV @ 'COMMERCE'

One of my friends is coming to the Eastern Univ of Texas @ 'Commerce' for
masters in computer science. If anybody has any info about that univ please
let me know. Is the CS prog / univ ABET accredited !?

Thanks in advance. Please reply to 
         dwaraka@nova.eng.wayne.edu

Dwarakanath
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Nicholas Shangloo
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

Looking for Nicholas Shangloo.  He is doing his MS in CS in New York.
Graduated from Manipal in 1987 and got his MBA form the Univ on NY at
Stony Brook NY.

Vijay

vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
joglekar@cacuts.org
jogi@netmail.austin.ibm.com

**********************************************************************
               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: 13 year old earns degree
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:51:05 GMT

In article <QeRo0E200iUx878nlg@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Balamurali writes:
>***********
>It just goes to prove that you can't believe everything you read in a 
>newspaper, even stuff that appears on the New York Times front page.  


NYT, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc. have many a time done
their share of propagating myths, both good and bad. Just as
Balamurali or another X would be turned into an instantaneous
`celebrity' by printing their picture on front page in one of these
newspapers, they would also be maligned in the lines in the article
accompanying the picture. Simply stated the media loves to create
super heros. Journalists die to resurrect myths. This is not to say,
the prodigies aren't for real. They are not as tall, however, as they
are portrayed to be. Sometimes this negative side is conveyed with
opinions as opposed to their accomplishments. As much as one's respect
for Balamurali is enhanced by his accomplishment in school, one's ego
is calmer after knowing that he is deficient in some thing. And what
better excuse than ``anti-social?'' Surely this is not in the sense of
serial killers or rapists, for they too are anti-social. It has to be
about their personal choices of time in their young lives. But then,
they could be snobs in real life. Does that make one feel any worse? I
guess not. There is no point in trying to contest someone's opinion in
some nook, as if the whole world has stopped listening to newer
opinions, even if they are journalists and prestigious newspapers.
That is what we mean by `we will grow up.' I hope Balamurali has grown
up to realize that.  Beside, he will also grow up to realize that he
has lost some powers. Don't tell the journalists that. It's our little
secret kept from journalists. Those cheeseheads ought to make a run
for what they get as well as deserve.


Cheers,

Murthy


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.canada
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Citizen Babies (Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy)
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:00:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.162300.27763@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota) writes:
>In article <0eOu6nO00WBMQ8D1At@andrew.cmu.edu> pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
>>Also, I have heard of instances
>>where people come on tourist visas and have babies. The U.S should have
>>a law against granting citizenships to such babaies.
>
>Now that is Ross Perot talking. I think US should withdraw automatic
>citizenship to all newborn babies, so we don't have to roll-call
>ABCD's but rather say ``Air Born Countryless Desis.'' Take that
>
>

The notion of citizenship divests the assests and liabilities (in all forms)
of a nation to individual. This notion is a cultural value of a society. 
Citizenship of individuals confers a collective right to the nation.
Cultured societies confer such citizenship on the basis of birth of
a citizen. Whether that birth is acrued in liu of a tourist migrant
delivering the baby in a nation is immaterial. That right belongs to
the baby. Unfortunately the British govt in a less than cultured 
British Nationality Act withdrew that natural right on citizens born
on the soil. Rajiv Gandhi (another lousy intellectual) passed a 
legislation on Indian citizenship which is worse than the British
Nationality Act. Gone are the days when cultural values (and extending
of those values) dictate the political thought! There is a building 
up of cultural vaccum; PD Ratnam's post is but symptomatic.
..kt

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: krish@athena.mit.edu (Viswanathan Krishnan)
Subject:  Equality in India:  Talk at MIT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:28:00 GMT

 		Equality in India:  Women and Casteism in the Vedas
                 --------------------------------------------------
                        Prof. Michael Witzel
                Sanskrit Dept., Harvard University


Where: MIT Rm. 4-163
When: Friday, 31st, 3.30 PM


In this talk, Prof. Witzel will discuss (i) the role played by women in
ancient India and (ii) the evolution of caste system. Specific
questions addressed include:

1. What sort of rights did women enjoy? Is it true for instance, that
women took part in public assemblies of learned disputation?

2. When and how did the notion of occupational specialization become
the system of social stratification or "jaatis"?

3. Is it correct to ascribe the present day social evils to foreign invasions?

Get ready for some informative discussion on Indian history.

Michael Witzel is "Wales Professor of Sanskrit" at Harvard. His talk
is hosted by Sangam, the MIT Indian Students Assocn.
 
[MIT Rm. 4-163 is close to the intersection of Mass. Av and Memorial Drive
in Cambridge.]
--------------------------

        Vish. Krishnan: The King of Vishful Thinking
MIT Room: E53-340                       550 Memorial Drive #22F
Ph: (617)-253-0250                      Cambridge, MA 02138
FAX: (617)-258-7579                     (617)225-2683

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:25898 soc.culture.pakistan:12738
From: rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Hindu Refugees from Kashmir
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:44:40 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati


Another excerpt from the SUNDAY magazine of July 5-11, 1992.

------------------------------------------------------------------


.......It is harder for Ashok Kumar (who we have given a pseudonym
to protect his identity) and his wife, who fled Kashmir in 1988, to
come to terms with their plight. "I am absolutely frustrated with
the situation." he exclaims. "I do not want to talk because I do not
know what I will end up saying."

The Kumars owned apple and apricot orchards and saffron farms in
Kashmir, and supplied fruits to different parts of India. They had 
chosen to ignore the death threats they had been receiving for some
time - until Ashok's brother-in-law was murdered by the militants.
"He was a doctor," Ashok recalled. "Four militants approached him
at 10 pm when he was closing his clinic. He refused to let them in.
They broke open the door and shot him dead. I knew I was next in line.
I fled with my father, wife and two children.

Ashok Kumar's father died in a refugee camp in Jammu. After cremating
him, the Kumars came to Delhi. They are now living in a camp in Delhi's
affluent South Extension area with 250 others crammed into a hall. "A few
months after I reached Delhi, one of my Muslim friends visited me. I was
reassured to some degree that I had friends to look after my three-storeyed
house but a couple of months later, my friend sent me a picture showing the
house reduced to rubble."

. . . . . . . Outraged by what he considers governmental neglect, he
protests: "What have I achieved by asserting that I am a Hindu? My gold 
and cash is still in a bank in Srinagar. I can not go and get it out. I
had four servants when I was in Srinagar, now I am working as a servant
in a shop. One of these days, when I have suffered enough, I will have to
do something drastic."

He adds, almost as if it were an afterthought: "Actually I don't even
need to do that. All I have to do is go back to Kashmir, approach the 
militants and tell them that I am changing my religion and all will be
well. If all I have to do is shout "Pakistan Zindabad" and "Hindu Hai Hai"
in order to earn the right to a decent living for me and my family, what 
is the harm in doing it?"

. . . . . . There are 17 camps for Kashmiri migrants in Delhi and 
according to people only one percent of Hindus are left in Kashmir.
.......

------------------------------------------------------------------------

---raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: Yesterday, when it rained. -- [ Nostalgia ] -- Icarus.
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:19:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.200016.28096@reed.edu> vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix) writes:
[...]
>>>it would take to take us there. "Do you know how much father has to work
>>>for that money?" she would ask me. I would just nod my head in the pretense
>>>of having understood her, and keep walking. The route to Perungulam was 
>>>beautiful.
>>>
>>[...]
>>
>>2] Trying for a little sympathy from the ladies eh ?
>
>There you are a bit off the mark my dear Icarus. IMHO seeking 
>sympathy results in the scenario " I respect/pity/care for You,
>therefore I cannot sleep with you" which is not exactly what
>I am looking for ;-)

1] That is a rash conclusion.
   If you are a purist about not mixing drives that may be true.
   But I have no qualms about relying once in a while on sheer
   maternal instinct. 
   Open your eyes Phoenix, next time Mrs Robinson wants to talk to
   you, just say "Hello Mrs Robinson, etc." and proceed like the
   Graduate you are.
   
   
[...]

>@#$%$%^ another person questioning my facts, gotta remember to 
>enclose a std disclaimer from now on, As for as I know Palghat 
>existed, and there were buses running there, and amazing of 
>all there was a bus station too. I am curious how you came to 
>the conclusion that it was the fifties.

2] Never mind. The point is I was right :-)


>
>>   I can see why they drew the line at palghat :-)
>
>Toeing a fine line Icarus, watch out for the LTTE Brigade
>they are known to have Anti-aricraft artillery ;-)

3] I have many tamil friends. I respect tamils.
   I have always enjoyed my stays in madras.
   Tamil is like music to my ears.
   The tamil people are noble and brave.
   The tamils have such noble terminators as Dorritto Sito,  
   Phoenix, Balaji Kannan, Sthanumurthy .. the list is endless.
   There, I have recanted. :-)
   Imagine daily reports 
   titled "Noble terminator Icarus: Amnesty Intl open letter." :-)

   Dont do this to a friend. :-)

4] Nothing like flaming to relax the nerves.
   Nice flaming.
   Stay Cool.
   
   
>
>Peace
>
>The Phoenix
>
>
>
>-- 
>  The Greatest burden in the world is to have              The Phoenix
>   a great potential.                                      Reed #252
>                     Linus from "Peanuts"                  Reed College
>                                                         Portland, OR-97202

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.    o o      signito ergo sum.              paul chemmanoor.                .
.     |    i sign therefore i am.            Computer Science department.    .
.     =                                      Univ. of Colorado, Boulder.     .
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From: DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu (Deepak Srivastava)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Do we really have any solution?
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:21:36 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I have been following this debate for some time now.

Strange that all sorts of labeles are thrown on the
CPM government in West Bengal. To an outsider like
me, however, it appears that these are very reflective
of only bhadralok bengalis in and around Calcutta.

After all what is the basis of CPM's power in WB ?
Is it simply a massive pole rigging that continues
year after year ? No. Because no where in national
media I have read anything which happens only in WB
elections but is not commonly practiced in the nei-
ghboring states of Orissa and Bihar.

So why do CPM keeps coming back, year after year, as
a democratically elected government ? May be the people
in the rural WB do want to see them come back to power
again and again.

But what about bhadralok bengalis in and around calc-
utta ? Make calcutta a union territory. And it should
be ruled only by bhadralok bengalis and their inte-
llectual offsprings in USA :->.

Will Calcuttans then have any solution ? No. And the clue
is...


regards..              Deepak
From: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu (Dheeraj Sanghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Abortion and the status of women
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:33:59 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <92211.222253RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>
>However, I would like to point out that there is a confusion here between
>freedom and respect.  I think women HAVE had respect in Indian society,

The same respect that workers got in the communist Soviet Union.


>Rohit Parikh

-dheeraj
From: ftss1@acad3.alaska.edu (SANDEEP SINHA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED AT AUSTIN
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:28:24 GMT
Reply-To: ftss1@acad3.alaska.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a3

Hi:

I will be joining UT Austin coming fall for Ph.D. program.
If you want a roommate please let me know. My sole prefrence 
is non-smoker with no pets. Age sex nationality : no bar 

Sandeep Sinha    ftss1@acad3.alaska.edu    ftss1@alaska.bitnet
907-474-3857     907-474-6147