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From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:15:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <SUMMERS.92Oct1132606@sanctum.cs.utah.edu> summers%sanctum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jim Summers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.151222.19331@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>1)
>   I think that Mattel designed the product to meet the demands of
>   the market.  There are three little girls in my life ranging in age
>   from 10-12 and ALL of them are Barbie freaks.  The only way I've seen
>   any of them actually emulating Barbie is in the colorful clothing they
>   chose to wear.  So what?  
>
>2)
>   children between 6 and 12, I'd like to see her steer these kids into
>   the direction of self-esteem and good hygene and no gender restrictions -
>   at *their* level.
>
>Um, Nance, first you say that the dolls _don't_ affect the way
>pre-teens think about themselves(1), and then you say that you wish that
>the dolls would steer the kids toward self-esteem and good hygene(2). You
>can't have it both ways: either what the doll says CAN affect how
>children think about themselves and their abilities, or it CAN'T.

No, look again.  I first said that of the children I know, the only
affect I can see Barbie having on them is in their choice of dress.
They don't have the talking Barbie so I don't know if they'd be
influenced by her one way or another.  It goes without saying that all
children are different and are influenced by different things in different
ways.

In the second point I said that I'd like to see her steer them in a certain
direction ... perhaps I should have said "if she steers them at all."  I
thought that would be understood but like MATTEL, I should consider my
audience.


-Nance
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From: heidia@med.unc.edu (Heidi Aycock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: one year olds
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:50:53 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

I want him to fight for his rights. I want him to tell me when
he doesn't like something. I want him to speak up. So, I try
to remember this when he's levitating off the changing table
and I say back to him what I think he's saying to me -- much 
like you do when Libby wants to continue exploring the bathroom.
My son doesn't calm down, necessarily, but as he learns to under-
stand me (which he already does pretty well now) he'll follow
my reasoning. Already, he senses the tone of my voice is 
sympathetic, but firm, reasonable, but determined. That's what
I want him to be like when he faces things he doesn't agree
with.

And the no's, which have come in like a tornado, are simply
opportunities to show him the effect of his words. It's great.
First he just says no to something to show his power, then 
when he sees the effect, it becomes an experiment, even a game.
Also, Eda Leshan says to think of the times you'll want your
child to say no in the future -- no to the drug pushers, no to
the corrupt politicians, and so on -- and you'll cherish the
word now.

Sorry this rambles, but it's my turn to spend time with the 
boy while dad watches football, so I'm on my way.

See the future in these stormy months. 

heidi.
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From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: IV or not to IV (was Re: Last week was certainly eventful!)
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:51:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

If your hospital takes a hardline on IVs, ask if they'll accept a
hep-lock instead.  (A hep-lock is a "placeholder" for an IV)

This subject was debated at some length some time ago.  I believe that
the consensus was that whatever the woman is comfortable with.  (I sure
was a lot more comfortable without an IV)

Michele
From: eaton@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bob Eaton x3478)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Do kids need to see this?
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:52:06 EST

>From: "Christopher P. Dingman" <cd24+@andrew.cmu.edu>

> ...  And if they need this
>kind of education, isn't it my right as a parent to be the one who
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>teaches them?  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Bambi Dingman

You should know the answer to this.  

When was the last time the school called you to ask your permission to 
distribute condoms to your kids?  

When was the last time you felt comfortable about disciplining your kid in 
public - because you believe that it's in their best long-term interest - 
without the fear that someone would try to take them away?

Heck, in most states, your not even allowed to know, much less have a say, in
whether or not one of those fetuses are your own grandchildren!

No...  Your "rights" to raise your kids in the way you think best - especially
if it isn't "politically correct" - are being rapidly been taken away by those 
who think they know better.

There is no other alternative without radical measures.  In your case, it might
be to get rid of your TV.  For us, it was to decide to school our children
ourselves.

BTW, please don't think that I support what O.R. is doing.

just my PI opinion
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From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:22:57 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Oct6.035904.11332@news.acns.nwu.edu> 
 learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.114848.1596@ll.mit.edu> Alan Yasutovich writes:
>It is impossible to do a double blind
>study on something like sugar deprivation after all.

Why?  People do double blind studies on things like this all
the time.
-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gobennet@nyx.cs.du.edu (gordon bennet)
Subject: Robert O`Malley
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:57:59 GMT


Hi Bob, how's the hat.......?




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Kid Seats on Bikes
Keywords: bikeseats trailers helmets
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:17:31 GMT

In article <4782@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:

>[concerning bicycle trailers:]
>Also, the reflectors on
>the wheels cause the small wheels to be out of balance, so I removed
>those as well (if you're not riding at night they are useless anyway).
>I really noticed the reflectors at higher speeds (e.g. downhill), but
>the trialer is quite stable otherwise.

I like the idea of adding an opposing reflector on each wheel to restore
balance.  The added weight is minimal, and then the reflectors aren't gone
if you happen to go/get caught out at night.  (I think a spinning reflector
is one of the best attention getters - not just at night, but any time that
headlights are on - rain/snow, fog, dusk & dawn).

Ken
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:34:25 GMT

In article <1ad27vINNe9o@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>
>I must say that Dr. Spock is making me feel better in this case--2 of my
>3 kids refuse to drink milk altogether, and the 3rd isn't crazy about it.
>(Is this normal?).

I hated milk from age 18months on - coincidentally the same age in which my
dad tossed my bottle. My parents, being British, werent too concerned, and
I spent a childhood without drinking much milk, or being harassed about it.
I dont feel it has had a detrimental effect on my health.

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 12:54:28 EDT

In article <ykdp-t#@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>In Albuquerque, there is an ADD "industry". There are well-known
>local practitioners who diagnose every kid they see with ADD, as
>a means of generating repeat business. Some even put the entire
>family on dextroamphetamine. Now *that* will bring mom back for
>more!  Whatever ADD is, in Albuquerque it is grossly overdiagnosed. 

Poor quality local practice, even abuse of patients with a particular
treatment, does not mean that the treatment may not be helpful for some
people.   Overdiagnosis does not mean that a diagnosis does not exist.

Fact is, a few weeks of a medication trial with a reasonable schedule
of observation (on the part of parents, teachers, and physician) can
establish whether a particular child suspected of ADD can benefit from
medication, and the risks of such a trial are very small, (assuming the
absence of contraindications). "Drug dependency" is really a non
sequitor here - we don't consider epileptics "drug dependent" in a
judgemental way because they have seizures if they stop their
medication.   What if the medication would be extremely helpful to the
child?  Wouldn't it then be tragic if the child was denied a treatment
of value because the parents didn't believe in it?

If a child was permanently crippled because some congential orthopedic
problem was not braced or surgically corrected by his parents - who
believed in prayer or naturopathy - wouldn't we just think those
parents were wretches?  How angry would a teenager be who discovers
that there was something his parents could have done to overcome some
problem but didn't on ideological grounds...

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================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24573 alt.sex:31109
From: ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:34:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MelptXC00WB_MiHIYk
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.sex: 28-Sep-92 Re: Female "Circumcision" by
Howard C Jiang@helium.ga 
> Seems to me that both responses are insensitive, but opinionated, so how can
> they be inappropriate?

How can the first comment be inappropriate? Because his facts are wrong
as one reader/poster already pointed out. If you're going to post, at
least have some facts to back up a factual comment. If your post is all
opinion, then there's no reason to back it up.

What does this mean about my post. It's all opinion.

ag
From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Hurried children (was Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:58:07 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

The floodgates really opened on this one.  A few brief suggestions:

Take a look at a book published in the early '80s called _The Hurried Child_.
Sorry, I don't remember the author.  

As many others have said, don't worry about a four-year-old's lifestyle 
choices.  When Jessica (now 5) was about that age, she wanted to marry one
of her brothers and be either a fashion model, astronaut, or tuba player
(I have _no_ idea where the tuba thing came from).  These things change 
with time.

I think it's important to let kids try out a variety of things, and not
to hurry them along into *our* preferred mold.  Would you really be so
devastated if, in fact, your daughter grew up and worked as something other 
than a doctor or lawyer, or was even (gasp!) "only" a wife and mother?  

Finally, I think you're probably overreacting about the "messages" that 
*you* see in a movie and those which a small child sees in the same movie.
Ariel's a "bad girl"?  Look at it from the mind of a child: Ariel was 
beautiful, sang well, had friends, did what she thought was right in a
tough situation, made mistakes, and retained the love of her father 
throughout.  Whether she spent her days doing her work or playing frivolously
pales in comparison from a child's world-view -- the other events are those
that ring true to a child.  In your situation, I'd be more worried that
the lessons your daughter is learning are that there are dangerous ideas
out there that mom & dad get upset about easily, which of course makes them
all that much more enticing.  Hmmm.  Not unlike Triton's early thoughts on
humans, no?  Perhaps you *could* stand to view this film a few more times. 

Good luck.
--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:21:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.174219.4216@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
>[stuff on trying to get a 4 year old thinking of a career deleted]
>
>I may be opening up a flame war for asking this, but does anyone
>else think that a 4 year old is just a little *too* young to have
>a career formulated already?  I mean, really.  I wouldn't think of
>taking anything that a 4 year old says regarding what she wants to
>do when she grows up seriously.  And I know that this was discussed
>ad nauseum a month or so ago, but in my opinion banning a movie based
>around a talking mermaid who has a talking lobster for a friend because
>it has the heroine being a housewife to a prince is a little....I don't
>know what the word would be.....over cautious.?

I agree, lighten up on the poor kid!  Hell, I'm 32 and I STILL don't
know what I want to be when I grow up.  Let her know that what she
wants matters and that she can make choices for herself.  And I would
also ask what's so terrible about being a full-time mother (or whatever
the PC term is)?  And if that's what your daughter eventually decides
to do, isn't that her choice to make?  It certainly seems to work for a
lot of people.  She'll probably change her mind a hundred times before
high school anyway, but if she doesn't want a career outside the home,
will you be able to accept and support her in that decision?

>I mean.  It's a cartoon.
>I don't see how that could affect her life so dramatically that you would
>need to ban it.

If want her to be absolutely fascinated with the movie, by all means
ban it!

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: RMNL69@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Les Aquino)
Subject: Re: 92 Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 3 Oct 1992 09:23:55 HKT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Well, I've seen the names-Major Major, who of course, was a Major.
Then there was Major Broccoli

I've seen Kermie Kermit

and Royal Pageant

Ellie
--------------------------------------------------------------------
ROYAL PAGEANT ?  - Isn't this better for a race horse's name ?

Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:58:39 GMT
Organization: AI Program, University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct6.194400.1479@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>	What is one of the principal items that kids react to, according
>	to Feingold?
>
>	Artificial Food colorings and dies!!
>
>	And what are these things made of??????
>
>	PETROLEUM!!!!!!!!!!

"Made *from*" not "made *of*"!  Back to Chem 101...



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:26:53 GMT

Well, I've seen the names-Major Major, who of course, was a Major.
Then there was Major Broccoli
 
I've seen Kermie Kermit
 
and Royal Pageant
 
Ellie
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Hepatitis B vaccine, another opinion
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: eldyn.5OCT199213342403
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Hi all. I just took my daughter for a check up last Friday, and I
asked her pediatrician about the Hepatitis B vaccine. Not
meaning to start a flame fest, all I want to do is report what
she said. Mind you, this doctor practices in a suburban setting.
She said that babies and teenagers (about to become sexually active)
are the two largest risk groups of kids right now. And, thus, they
are currently targeting those groups. For my 7 year old daughter (as
of today, Happy Birthday, Jennifer!!), she said if I felt really 
strongly about it, she would administer the vaccine. It is a three 
part series, at 0 months, 2 months and 6 months, costing about 
$100 total. Since our health insurance does not cover it, she said 
that she thinks the cost will come down over the next couple of 
years, and that we might want to wait. Just another opinion for
us to consider.
                                  Patti Twigg
From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:10:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: emory.9689
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

In article <1992Oct2.121402.26446@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>, d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria) writes:

> Count me in!  Born in 1960 and loving every one of those old shows.
> Remember Bobby Sherman, I only vaguely remember his show (other than
> Here Come the Brides).  He was my heartthrob for a lot of years after:
> Fred Flintstone
> Greg Brady
> Davey Jones
> Donny Osmond
> David Cassidy
> Bobby Sherman

Oh I love this thread!  I just have to recall MY hearthrobs:

  Illya Kuriakin (how is that spelled?) - the blond guy on Man from U.N.C.L.E.
   (for years, when I was asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I said
    "an agent for UNCLE" - I thought it really existed)

  Donny Osmond (we listened to "Puppy Love" over and over)

  Davy Jones (my Dad got tickets for a Monkees concert when I was 12 and
   hired a babysitter to take me and my brother!  what a thrill!)


Okay, 'fess up, any other women reading this who wanted to be Marcia Brady?  
I know I did!

Ah, memories. 

   Vicki

-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Date: 2 Oct 1992 19:18:50 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1ad27vINNe9o@gap.caltech.edu>, hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu 
(Susan Hough) writes:
|> I saw one interesting study that attempted to address the question of
|> how the French get away with such a high-fat diet & still avoid the
|> levels of heart disease that plague Americans.  A researcher raised
|> two groups of rats, one on mostly milk and one on mostly cheese (motivated
|> by the fact that Americans consume much more milk, while the French consume
|> much more of their fat intake in cheese).  By
|> analyzing their droppings, he showed that the fat in cheese was absorbed
|> much less efficiently than was the fat in milk, and as I recall, the
|> cheese-fed rats were much leaner.  The conclusion, of course, being that
|> the fat in milk is for some reason especially harmful.  

The TV show `Sixty Minutes' made much of this study. Actually, the results 
of the study were equivocal and didn't convince most scientists of anything. 
Want to know why the French can eat as much fat as we, and still not have 
as many heart attacks? Because they DIDN'T EAT AS MUCH FAT AS WE DID TEN 
YEARS AGO, and heart disease takes time to develop!

(Sorry, Sue, I'm not yelling at *you*, I'm yelling at the people who 
made much of a ridiculous study in the media, thus misleading you and a 
lot of other people.)
 
The conclusion on `Sixty Minutes' was that we should all drink more red 
wine. This would be nothing more than a big chuckle if they, and others, 
didn't think this was true! The French also die of liver disease a lot 
more than we do, and they walk a lot more, too.

|> I must say that Dr. Spock is making me feel better in this case--2 of my
|> 3 kids refuse to drink milk altogether, and the 3rd isn't crazy about it.
|> (Is this normal?).

Maybe it disagrees with them. If they eat the "normal" high-protein 
American diet, you might want to consider a calcium supplement, unless 
they eat lots of kale, broccoli, etc. Eating significant quantities of 
any vegetable hardly qualifies as normal in an American diet, though.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: places to live in the USA
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:32:54 GMT

In article <ceoN1dC00iUy01FGJz@andrew.cmu.edu> lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis) writes:
>
>I sent a personal reply to Mary Jane (the original poster) singing the
>praises of my adopted town, Pittsburgh, PA, which has been rated in the
>top 10 cities for the past 5 years or so, and she asked me for the
>source, as well as the current list.
>
>I don't have the source handy (we usually learn the rating from the
>local media, when they are posted), but the source is Rand-McNally's
>"Places Rated Almanac".  I think it's published every 3-5 years, with
>updated rankings.  The latest edition would have the current rankings. 
>If I get a chance to check our on-line library, I'll see what I can find.
>

within the last 2-3 years Parenting Magazine had an article about the 10 best
cities for families. Sorry I dont know which issue.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (S. Meikle)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:19:23 GMT

In article <sasdvp.718293375@skydiver> sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips) writes:
>
>My dentist is Dr. Grinder.....his partner is Dr. Ferri !
>
Well, Sir Winston Churchill's neurologist was called Dr. Brain :-).

Sian

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sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca                                  Sian Meikle