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From: gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: IIci FAQ
Keywords: IIci, internal video, memory
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:32:08 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center


    I know this has got to be one of the all-time FAQ's, so please
accept my apologies if there's someplace on the net I should have looked
first. Yesterday, as part of the family's slow twist over which Mac we
should buy when the new ones are announced, I picked up Connectix's
memory guide at the dealer's. They claim using the internal video on the
ci will lead to intermittent problems with hefty (e.g. 4 Mbyte) SIMM's
in bank A. I knew there was an efficiency problem, but is this
intermittent hang/crash problem also solved by the 384K (have I got the
figure right?) cache trick (or is it the only problem)?
    Perhaps if the vx really is better than the Performa 600, and than
the ci, this is a moot point --- but not if that drives down the price
of the remaining ci's!
    Thanks,
						Joe Gurman

J.B. Gurman / Solar Physics Branch / NASA Goddard Space Flight Center /
Greenbelt MD 20771 USA / gurman@uvsp.gsfc.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: davep@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Polaschek)
Subject: Re: experience with trackballs?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Keywords: turbo mouse trackball
Reply-To: davep@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Polaschek)
Organization: LaserMaster Corp
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 23:54:06 GMT

I've been using the Kensington TurboMice (had a few different models) over 
the past 2 or 3 years and the only complaint I've ever had is the fact that 
having the ball on top means that dirt can get inside them a bit easier than 
a regular mouse.  This is common to all trackballs, though.  Aside from that, 
they're great products and from what I've heard the version 4 has pretty keen 
software to back up the good hardware.  The only other complaint I have with 
Kensington is that my very old trackball (pre version 3) from them is no 
longer supported by anyone, and it's become impossible to find parts for it.  
I liked the shape and feel of that one a little better than the new ones, but 
the difference was small enough that I've since adapted.

On a scale of 1 to 5, they'd get a 4 from me, with the only thing between 
them and a 5 being the lack of support for obsolete products.

Hope this has helped.

Dave Polaschek            Internet:davep@county.lmt.mn.org
LaserMaster Corp. R&D              ICBMNet:44^59'N 93^13'W
7156 Shady Oak Road                     AppleLink:LASERMAX
Eden Prairie, MN 55344                   ATTNet:6129439204
From: gggj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: NEW>> Macintosh PowerBook Duo
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:58:10 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Have you heard about the new Macintosh Duos?  Or maybe they're called Powerbook
Duos.  Anyway, they're smaller than the PB 170 and have a greyscale display. 
Should be announced Oct 19.  I got a sneak peek by accident...  I have not more
info on them though.
Scott
From: firenza@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: HD activity light in IIsi
Date: 26 Sep 1992 19:51:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep26.142628.738@doug.cae.wisc.edu> jimy@vlsidsp.ece.wisc.edu (Jim K. H. Yu) writes:
>I always wanted a HD activity indicator for my IIsi.
>I've looked at software solutions, but they are not as nice as a
>real LED.
>Yesterday, I found out that the Quantum HD in the IIsi (like many
>other HDs) has a connector for a LED to indicate HD access.
>What the heck, I said to myself, the power-on LED has no other
>function then to indicate that the computer is on. I can tell that
>by looking at the monitor (or, in case the monitor is bad, listening
>to the fan, which is not difficult at all).
>So, I removed the 2 wires from the power-on LED and plugged them to 
>the connector on the HD. It works marvelously.
>jimy@eckert.ece.wisc.edu

A friend of mine with a IIsi plugged a red led into his drive and placed it 
next to the green power light.  Now, when the drive is being accessed, the
power window changes color.  Otherwise, it's still green.

firenza@wpi.wpi.edu
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Turning on a Powerbook
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:01:43 GMT
Organization: The Polyhedron Group

In article <1992Oct2.192350.13599@medtron.medtronic.com>, bb11807@thug
(Brian A. Blow) writes:
> 
> OK, stupid question #1298:
> 
> Is there a keyboard-equivalent way to turn the power on for a
> Powerbook?  It seems kind of inconvenient to have to flip open
> the back panel to turn it on.
> 
> --Brian        brian.blow@medtronic.com
> 
> 

Sure. Put it into _ Sleep Mode _ rather than doing a shut-down. The next
time you want to use it, press any key and you are on, and right where you
left off. No need to re-boot even, just wait for the hard disk to spin back
up to speed.

The only time I ever _ shut down _ my powerbook is when I change battery
packs.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.hardware:18308 comp.sys.mac.misc:17376
From: jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Will 2MB SIMMS Work in an SE/30?
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:27:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky) sayz:
>In article <1992Oct2.124227.22267@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> npl@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Fork Boy) writes:
>>Is anyone out there currently using a Mac SE/30 with 2MB SIMMS? If so, are
>>there any special constratints on their usage such as speed or which memory
>>bank they should go in? I'd like to possibly add them, but I have never seen
>>any posts by people asking about them before, and every Mac publication fails
>>to mention their ability to be placed into an SE/30.
>
>From Apple's Technote #176:
> 
>Model                   SE/30
>Permanent RAM           0
>No. of SIMM slots       8
>Allowable SIMM sizes    256K,1,4,16
>Physical RAM totals     1,2,4,5,8...128*
>Required speed          120ns
> 
>* MODE32 required to address more than 8MB
>
>
>So, according to Apple at least, the bottom line is that 2MB SIMMs
>*won't* work.  The models which Apple claims *will* work with 2MB SIMMs
>are the Classic II, LC/LCII and IIsi.  I seem to recall that someone on
>the net recently posted fist-hand experience of using 2MB SIMMs on a
>machine not listed here (IIci I think). If so, than Apple may be wrong
>and there's a chance the 2MB SIMMs would work on your SE/30.k
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>--
>Steve Kanefsky
>

I think I remember trying 2 Meg SIMM's in a II but the machine only
recognized them as 1 Meg SIMM's.  If you already have the RAM, try it, you 
can't hurt the machine.

++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:25:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct6.162549.20455
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Ivan) writes:
: 
: Pda's are the wave of the future and Apple is going to sell trillions of
: them.  Yeah, right.  I wonder how a computer is going to be able to
: recognize handwriting when people sometimes can't even recognize their own.
:  And even if the software would be so great that it could recognize all
: types of handwriting, why in the world would anyone want to buy a $900
: notepad.  I don't know what John Sculley thinks, but this new Apple product
: sound like a Lemon to me.

	Ivan, you obviously have a future as corporate executive
for an American car manufacturer......



-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
From: decision@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Tamer Basar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: External monitors for PB
Date: 28 Sep 1992 22:07:57 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu
Summary: What is needed to connect a Power book 170 to an Apple 21'' two
Keywords: PB, monitors, power book

I have an Apple 21'' two page monitor that can supposedly do 16 grey levels,
I am planning to get a power book 170. How can I connect the two together?
I heard that there are two possibilities: (a) A device that hooks to the 
SCSI port on the PB, and (b) install an internall video board in the PB. 
If anyone knows of such  an arrangement, I would like to have some comments,
for example, I heard that the SCSI connection is quite slow. 

Also, will the new PB that is rumored have the ability to connect to external
monitors without extra hardware? When will this new PB be out? 

Thanks in advance for any info. 

-Bassam Bamieh 

bamieh@decision.csl.uiuc.edu 
:
:
From: segall@blaze.rutgers.edu (Ed Segall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: APS HD/Mac+ Problem/Workaround (was Mac + reads but wont' boot HD)
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:47:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: richer@HQ.Ileaf.COM

In article <1992Sep22.120802.5002@HQ.Ileaf.COM> richer@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Al Richer) writes:

>  Upon connecting a Quantum 105S hard disk and formatting it with the
> proper bits of software, I find I can mount, run programs from,
> and use the disk easily. Even after reinstalling 6.0.5 3 separate
> times, I cannot get it to cold boot upon power-up.
> 
>  The activity light on the disk blinks madly, making me suspect that
> the Mac + isn't seeing drive ready quite properly. Any suggestions
> as to things I might try would be appreciated.

Is this an APS drive (or are you using an APS HD driver), by any
chance?  For some time now, people have sporadically reported problems
booting Mac Pluses from APS drives, although APS has vehemently denied
any incompatibility problems.  However, in their latest software
release, they state that they have recently discovered a bug, and
provided a workaround.  

This bug only crops up if there is more than one device connected to
the SCSI chain (not counting the mac motherboard).  If the boot device
does not have the highest SCSI ID, then booting will not work.  To
fix, change the IDs so that the boot device has the highest ID in the
chain.  

--Ed
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Re: Two pixels contineously lit in PB100....
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:16:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.131415.3144@bernina.ethz.ch> Andreas Wuertz <wuertz@tik.ethz.ch> writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.135359.5068@ecl.psu.edu> Aravind Melligeri,
>ASM@snowyt.me.psu.edu writes:
>>I bought a new PB100 couple days back. Today when i was looking at it
>closely, 
>>I realised that two of the pixels on the screen [ one below other] are
>on all 
>>time. Is it some kind of defective??. It doesn't bother me much but,
>still when
>>i buy something new everything should be perfect right!.
>>please let me know what i can do about this. 
>Give it back and have it mended. There are limits for defects of a new
>LCD. I'm not sure, but I think there may be up to 5 pixels that are NEVER
>black, and up to one that's ALWAYS black (but i maybe up to three). Find
>this out and if you're beyond limits, have the LCD replaced under
>warranty.
>

Have your PB100 fixed. The defect limit mentioned here only applies to 
the active matrix screen in the PB170. All other screens should be
perfect or repaired.

Peace,
Tom Karches
karches@utdallas.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mcw@cs.rice.edu (Michael Wirth)
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Bcc: mcw tesler@newton.apple.com
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:15:48 GMT


Re stupid prognostications:

Reminds me of the story that an HP salesman I knew in Ohio loved to tell (at his
own expense).  A couple decades ago he was at the annual HP sales staff 
gathering at some posh resort.  Some VP got up and showed the revolutionary
"new" HP-35 pocket calculator that R&D had just produced.  Whereupon my friend
jumped up told everyone, "That's the stupidest product I've ever seen.  Who
would pay $395 for something so small, when we have perfectly adequate 
mechanical calculators on everyone's desk."

Sounds to me like "deja vu all over again."

Mike Wirth
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV (Duane Beach)
Subject: Re: Price Corrections are dumb (was : QUADRA 700 FOR SALE)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:24:06 GMT

I 
> And people who post comparative prices when they
> notice large differences are to be congratulated
> in my opinion. They do us all a service and keep
> the net market a good place to shop.
> 
> Gordon
> Dohle@vax2.Concordia.ca

Ditto!

The .EDU prices generally run less than the government GSA schedule, which
generally runs less than street prices. 
I'll go on and contradict myself...  best price on a ci->quadra upgrade
happened to be from Shreve Systems, not the GSA supplier. 

Bottom line... shop around and use the net.    (I heard about Shreve's
pricing after an inquiry to this group!)

Duane Beach
LVDUANE@SCIVAX.LERC.NASA.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ablum@unlinfo.unl.edu (abraham blum)
Subject: Internal HD to external HD in Powerbook?
Summary: Can an Internal 40MB Harddrive of powerbook-170 be made into an externa
Keywords: powerbook harddrive hardware 
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:02:01 GMT
From: jxj24@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Jacobs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Build a Mac with these babies...
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:11:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jxj24@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Jacobs)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Hey fellow techno-weenies!

   You want to build yerself an SE?  Well, I got the ROMs for that
little weekend project.  I was going to do it myself, but suddenly
I realized that I wouldn't ever have the time again, at least not for the
next several years.  Someone please tell me again why grad school is
so damn great?

jon

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: straka@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (richard.j.straka)
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.152524.16327@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes:
>straka@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (richard.j.straka) writes:
>
>
>>IIsi: 20 MHz 030, no cache
>>P600: 32 MHz 030, no cache possible (only an accelerator)
>>IIci: 25 MHz 030, cache
>
>>Now, *I* thought that the P600 would probably be on an even keel with a IIci
>>(not counting FPU, which is a spearate issue), but then MacWorld did some
>>performance tests with a 7.1beta, and reported only a 60-80% performance
>>level of a IIci!
>
>    Well, with the cache card installed in the IIci it does make it
>faster than a straight 32mHz '030. But if you compare the 32 mHz and the
>25mHz by themselves, the P600 wins.

I agree, it *should* win.

>The cache can make all the
>difference when dealing with applications, and frequently used
>instructions that don't have to be fetched from memory all the time
>because they are sitting in the static ram on the cache card. This can
>be a serious boost in performance.
>
>>By this data point, the P600 can't be *that* much faster than a IIsi
>>(let's not include the issue of the shared video RAM for simplicity,
>>since we can avoid that by the use of a separate monitor card).
>
>    Ah, but it can because whe you get right down to it the IIsi is
>about 30-40% of a IIci w/cache card. And if you use the comparison that
>I was talking about in my previous post, by adding the cache card to the
>P600 it will then be faster than a IIci, except for some of the FPU
>instructions. But if you put the same cache card in the IIsi, it will
>still be slower than the IIci with the same cache card.

I believe that I have seen figures (my memory is a bit hazy on this one) that
imply a roughly 30-50% performance improvement by using a cache card.  Using
an improvement factor of (25/20)*1.5 gives the (cache-equipped) IIci 1.875
times the performance of a stock IIsi.

I'd like to remind everyone what the rags have stated about the P600:
The P600 accelerator slot is an *accelerator* slot, *not* an *accelerator or
cache* slot.  It lacks the logic signals to allow operation of a cache card.
This makes it a *lot* more expensive to achieve any kind of incremental
performance increase.

Granted that the P600 for $2000 has more performance than a IIsi for $2000,
but a IIsi for $1500-1700 +$600 for a DayStar 33MHz PowerCache sounds like a
much better performer to me than a P600.
-- 
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UUCP:     att!ihlpw!straka       INTERNET: richard.straka@att.com
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expression that matches whatever the one-character regular expression matches."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu (Aravind Shenai)
Subject: Wanted: A Quadra 700
Originator: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Keywords: Quadra
Reply-To: shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu
Organization: Biomedical Engg, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:09:04 GMT

Hi
I am posting this for a friend of mine who is interested in buying
a used Quadra with the following specs. Could yu point me to sources
to look for used Macs or is there anyone out there who wants to sell
a similar m/c.

The Specs are:
Quadra 700
8MB RAM
200 MB HD ( atleast)
Color Monitor 24-bit color card (14" Monitor)
Keyboard
1 floppy drive


Please reply by email. 

Thanks

Aravind


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University of Alabama at Birmingham      |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Subject: RE: Graphics smoothing on HP Deskwriter?
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:26:35 GMT

There are a few examples of QuickDraw graphics in HyperCard, but I don't
recall them being able to print QuickDraw to the printer.  Sorry I can't be
more help.




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From: upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu (Paul Siu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: SE to SE/30: Worth It?
Summary: Stop this IIsi vs SE030 tread
Keywords: IIsi, SE030
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:23:44 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

All of this discussion is dissolving into my machine is better than your
machine.  One camp is claiming that the SE030 is faster than the IIsi because
of its FPU and faster video.  The other camp is claiming that the IIsi is
faster because of its faster cpu.  Each camp is basing performance on a
configuration that favors their machine, so the results are meaningless.
Besides, hasn't the SE030 been discontinued?

-- 
 Paul Siu, Drexel University, upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu               
 * We are actors, the opposite of people - Rosencrantz and Guidenstern are Dead
From: short@microcom.com (Todd Short)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Where to buy Performas ???
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:56:38 GMT
Reply-To: short@microcom.com
Organization: Microcom, Inc.

I've personally seen the Performa 200 and 400 at Sears, Lechmere, OfficeMax, and
I've seen an ad for them at Staples.  The going price seems to be about $1450-
$1500 for the Performa 400 (w/o monitor), and $1200-$1300 for the Performa 200.
These are also the places where you'll be more than likely to find Stylewriters.
I've heard that a dealer can sell Performas, or they can sell Macs, not both, it's
either or.  One way to get a Performa for less, would be to open a Lechmere charge
account, then they give you a 15% discount on your first (regularly priced) purchase.
Put what you can on the Lechmere card, then pay by M/C/Visa/AmEx/Cash for the rest.
The cost ought to be $1275 + tax.
I've also heard that the dealers can set what price they want.  You may be able to
find some by mail order, but I doubt it.  It's likely that Apple only wants them
sold in the retail channel.
---
-Todd
/* short@python.eng.microcom.com */
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: How should I speed up a IIsi?
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:31:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Gopal:

You have a IIsi with 5 megs, if I'm not mistaken.  This solution may be a  
little cramped if you are running system 7.0.x, so if you have not already
installed system 7 tuneup 1.1.1, do so at once.  If you increase your disk-
cache to 1024k (1 meg), you will effectively be eliminating the conflict with
VRAm (which resides on the 1-meg on-board RAM), therefore your machine will
run faster.  I tried this with my IIsi and then ran a series of benchmarks with
Speedometer.  Effectively with 1 meg of RAM-cache (from the memory control
panel), I got about 20% in speed increase.  Another relatively inexpensive
way to do this is with a Cache card.  I have seen cards advertised in major

Mac mags for about 129 dollars.  BTW a 32k cache card will be as effective as
a 64 or 128k.  Also, if you have not already done so, add a co-processor.  With a co-processor and cache card, your performance will be roughly equivalent of
a IIci without a cache.

Chris Tsirbas
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From: louisc@lsil.com (Louis Chui)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Help with all these Apples
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:21:32 GMT
Reply-To: louisc@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Hi everybody,

I'm not yet a Mac owner but I'm considering buying a Mac
in the next couple of days. However, I'm extremely confused
with all these different Mac's in the market. I know for sure
that I won't buy a Mac Classic, but a Mac Classic II might be
what I want. This computer will only be for home use, i.e. a
system with decent horsepower will do. I will use it mainly
for Quicken, Prodigy, MS Excel and MS Word/MacWrite. I don't
plan to spend more than $2000 for the system.

Does someone has a table of the different Mac's? And can someone
suggest a system which might suit my needs?

A million thanks.

Louis Chui
louisc@lsil.com