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From: cli@netcom.com (Concurrent Logic Inc)
Subject: Re: Rod Building Tool
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:07:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <BvCo5p.EF4@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>The illustration is not the best, but hopefully it will convey the idea.
>The base is a 10" piece of 1"x4" pine (because that's what was in my scrap
>pile :->).On top, drill a hole about .25" deep and epoxy in a 3" high dowel.
>Then drill a 1/4" hole 2-3" to the left. In this hole I put a machine bolt.
>I used a machine bolt because the bottom (or top depending on your perspective)
>is unthreaded. Threads are nasty for wrapping thread. Epoxy in the bolt. On

I'll have to digest your plans a little later but sounds like a good setup.
I have only made a couple of rods but I found the setup from the Clemen's book
(or maybe I got it from somewhere else?) to work ok.  I just use a long thin
bolt with a couple of washers, a spring, a wingbolt, and a nut (to tighten 
the bolt down to the board you mentioned).  You have to make sure there is
not too much friction between the washer's and the wingnut or as you are 
winding the tension will become stronger or lesser because as you turn the
spool the wingnut will move.

Scott
From: jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Salmon Fishing - Niagra River.
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:49:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

To All:

    Anyone out there been fishing for Salmon just below Niagra Falls.
I ran into some people this week who said they were going up there for
a salmon run.

     It sounds interesting, and just wondering if anyone on the net
could post a trip report or something about this fishery.

     Thanks in advance.

John P. Coxey



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From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: SalmonRiver?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:37:22 GMT

>> ..... detect a snag and break the line so others can fish.

> I'm not sure why you think this is a good thing.  I would rather
> see people land the fish and release it in a proper way .....

If you can breakoff without loosing line, it's far better for the
fish and more polite to the fisherman around you.   Landing a snagged
salmon often takes more time than usual, causes a bigger disruption to
other fisherman, and wears the fish out needlessly - damage too in many
cases.

Atleast when fly fishing, I loose only the fly 99% of the time.  The other
1%, I loose less than 18" of tippet with the fly.   For spinning/level-wind
rods, depending on the setup, the same is true.   I must admit though, I
don't care for setups where breaking off means breaking off lots of line -
it's even worse when they use such heavy line that they have to cut off.

A side effect of a group of fisherman breaking snags off immediately is
that it makes intentional snaggers stand out like a sore thumb.

BTW - There was a report by the Alaskan Fish & Game Dept. on the Kenai
River in Alaska about Salmon catch-and-release.   For properly hooked
salmon, the survival rate (they went on to spawn) was well over 90%.
The biggest hit on salmon survival was salmon snagged near the gills.
Playing time was also a factor as I recall.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Bambi Fishing
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:33:04 GMT
Organization: Organization

In article <BvnsHI.I1q@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>    I read on talk.politics.bambi (ok .animals)
>that PETA has indeed condemned fishing, but I
>have serious doubts that they will harrass us.
>
>Ps; t.p.animals can give you a good look at these AR
>folks. The debates I saw ranged from hunting to the
>incredibly cruel and neanderthal practice of boiling
>lobsters. After a weeks read any credbility they may
>have in your mind will probably disappear IMO. BTW, I
>prefer my lobsters steamed  oooooooooooh noooooooo....
>
>



  What other animals do you enjoy torturing?
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Fish Charters
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:43:52 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

>Reply-To: chip@rrc.chevron.com
>Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California
>Lines: 16
>
>
>Yes charter fishing can deplete fishing stocks.  I started fishing in
the S.F. 
>bay area about ten years ago for strippers in the surf.  When I first
started 
>fishing a twenty pound fish wouldn't excite anyone.  Now catch a ten
pounder 
>and you draw a crowd.   Charter boats now will pull into the surf with
their 
>sterns in the breakers and start chumming.  These boats will have
typically say 
>25 fisherman on board with two thirds sick.  ...(Much Deleted)

I am amazed that more people on the net have not expressed their opinions
on this matter.  The definition of a successful charter trip in the
Michigan Great Lakes Region is a limit for all people in the boat,
including the Captain and any Deck Hands.  This goes for Steelhead,
Perch, Walleye or whatever species one has chartered for.  In fact, most
charters advertise by claiming how many "Limit Trips" they have made
recently.  Also, I know it is common practice on Lake Erie to drag a
'meat hook' on the downrigger ball. 
This behavior affects all of our fishing eventually.  Charters typically
go-out twice a day.  I think that to protect certain fisheries, charter
fishing should be limited by more strict fish limits per fisherman.  On
the other hand, environmental pressures such as zebra mussels, pollution,
damming of rivers for hydroelectric power etc. also affect the fisheries.
 
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Baitcasting rods/reels
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:01:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.044215.23696@webo.dg.com>, fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
|> To say ther are LOTS of lefty
|> reels is an exageration (IMHO).. 

Some left handed (bass sized) baitcasting reels from 
the 1992 BPS general catalog. (800-227-7776).


AMBASSADUER
--------------
model			price

Royal Express I		59.99
Royal Express II	59.99
Royal Express III	61.99
Black Max I		119.99
5501C-3			51.99
6501C-3			60.99
mag plus combo		29.88

QUANTUM
------------------
model			price 

PRO4L			72.99

DAIWA
-------------------
model			price

PT1500FL		44.99
PS2L-5B			69.99
PS2L-2B			54.99

Seems like you should be able to find something 
with the right price size and retrieve speed...
|>I'm still looking for an affordable, quality 
|> reel.. Ever since they discontinued the Ambassador XLT series. 
|> Either I spend > $100 or I spend $25 for junk...

You get what you pay for, a $100 reel might just last 
4 times longer than a $25 reel and it will be a joy to 
use, you won't have to cringe every time you make a cast.
When it wears out, gears are not that expensive...

|> Anyone out there have a favorite LEFTY baitcaster they want to recommend?

I'm not aware if Shimano make any lefties, but I think 
Shimano reels are fantastic.

|> What about favorite rods.. 
Shimano, Shimano, Shimano...


		Good luck, 
		   -Pat (Shimano) Heron.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod Dryers
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:47:40 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.141106.25903@col.hp.com> bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call) writes:
>John,
>
>What is their phone number.  That price sounds just too good to pass
>up.  I need to build two rods this winter and get tired of borrowing
>the turner at our local fly shop (they might be getting tired of it
>also). 
 
I don't know how widespread this is but of the two shops which do rod 
building in the area that I've gone to and bought blanks both have offered
the use of their rod turner after I've wound the rod.  I hadn't taken them
up on their offers but it never hurts to ask.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Worn rod tips.
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:42:31 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <1992Sep25.143353.8456@midway.uchicago.edu> fejd@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>keep but the tips (last eyelet) are worn and groved. Someone told me to put
>a drop of "super glue" on them and it will fill in the imperfections and will
>provide a hard surface so as not to scratch the line. Is this ok?
>The tips are chromed or polished metal.
>
>If this is not an option, how should they be removed to be replaced.

James,

    I'd suggest replacing the tip guides. The old guide should be removed
    by first cutting/unwrapping the old winding thread then heat the tip
    guide for several seconds over a match or candle - not too hot! you'll
    burn the blank - tip guides are "always" glued on with a 'heat' glue
    (or 'hide' glue) that loosens up when heated. take the de-tipped rod
    to a full service fishing tackle shop and select a replacement tip
    guide. Apply a bit of heat glue, push the new tip guide onto the blank
    and REHEAT it to set the glue. Once cool you can remove the xcess glue
    and apply the wrapping thread. If you want a nice CHEAP but valid guide
    to wrapping rods/guides 'Goudbrods' (may be spelled wrong) distributes
    a quite good paperback.

--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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  Some more sources of rod building supplies:

  Custom Tackle Supply:  phone -  (615) 684-6164

  Dale Clemens Custom Tackle: phone - (215) 395-5119
                              fax   - (215) 398-2580
 
  Kettle Creek Tackle Shop:  phone - (717) 923-1416
                             fax     (717) 923-1420 
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From: longlegs.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Joel Dunn)
Subject: Re: need information for fishing in USA parks
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:41:36 GMT

My $.02 on this concerns the Great Smokies, straddling NC & Tenn.  Here 
you need a valid state license (for either state), but not a state trout
stamp (which is an option on the NC license), even though you are fishing
for trout....  :-{)

It's different everywhere...

-Joel Dunn

>>> The good news is that the fishing is free in the National Parks, but
>>> 
>>
>>This is NOT true in general.  In fact, the only park that I know of that
>>has free fishing is Yellowstone because it became a park before Wyoming,
>
>Fishing is also free in Olympic Nat'l Part in Washington, but not in Cascades.
>I think it could be a good FAQ: what parks do not require a state licence?

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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Fish Charters
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:36:25 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2


>Subject: Re: Fish Charters
>In article   <1992Sep29.190024.831@mail.cornell.edu> Capt. Steve Knapp
<smk1@cornell.edu> writes
>I am particularly familiar with  charter practices on Lake Ontario  and
>Cayuga Lake.  The definition of a successful trip here is a safe trip
>where one can enjoy the simple pleasures of being out on the water.  The
>scenery surrounding Cayuga Lake is absolutely beautiful.  Catching fish
>is just a bonus....
>No doubt, charter captains can positively influence the sport by
>demonstrating wisdom when preparing a brochure or placing an ad in a
>regional publication.  The role of local charter associations in these
>matters is of great importance.  A suggestion or word of caution to a
>group such as this could go a long way towards reinforcing the ethical
>practice of guiding licensed anglers in an experience designed  to be
>rewarding in  many ways other than filling the freezer.

Dear Steve:
  My comments regarding Charter Fishing were generalized to a great 
extent and I apologize.  I don't mean to imply that ALL Charter Boats are
bad, and that all are "Meat Fishermen".  Charters provide a unique
opportunity
for many people to fish that don't have boats or access to the Great
Lakes,
for instance.  In addition, Charter Fishing does pull in millions of
dollars
into a local or state fishery.
However, as in any profession, their exists people that will abuse a
certain
situation for monetary advantage.  My experience with Charter fishing is
limited, but an ex-charter captain whom I fished with regularly on Lake
Erie told me
of these practices by many of the people he was associated with in the
Western Lake Erie area.  I believed all that he was telling me, for he
fished illegally when I was
accompanying him on a fishing trip.  Additionally, he almost had a cardiac
arrest when I tossed back a 20" walleye into the lake (at that point we
had 20 fish
in the boat).  His comments, watching Sea of Slaughter (Canada Channel 9)
by Farley Mowat and my previous experiences led me to my original post.  
Of course if charters harvested all of the fish from a particular area
(unlikely) , then there would be no fish for them or their customers. 
This fact hasn't prevented overfishing by commercial netters though, and
that's my point.  Seems as though some regulations should be put in place
to address these issues.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Bob Drongowski
From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:10:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Re: back-rowing and whitewater guide books:

You'll find the two in slight conflict.  With oar-frame craft, back rowing
with an occasional forward-push to break waves is the norm, but paddle-based
whitewater rafting is usually done by paddling forward all the time.

BTW - Don Hill, one maker of wooden drift boats in Oregon, has given
interesting presentations on the history of McKenzie style drift boats.
The original design came about when someone took some ordinary sheets
of plywood, tried to make a minimum number of cuts (especially complex
and precise cuts), and folded the whole affair together.   There was no
fancy scientific design!

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
From: maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:01:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Rod Building
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

In rec.outdoors.fishing, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> 
> |The above blanks with good components (like nickel silver and rose wood reel 
> |seats) can be made into great rods for under $300 U.S.  That approximately a
> |$100 per rod savings.  But really thats not the point, if you go all the way 
>  
> Good point.  You're not going to save a lot of money building your own rod.

I would disagree. You can get Sage Graphite III RPL rod kits with top quality
nickel-silver real seat and good guides for around $200 (you only need to add 
glue and thread) plus shipping from one of the catalogs I have.  I think the 
factory version goes for about $400.  You can also sometimes find bargain 
blanks - I met someone who got 3 Sage blanks for $80 each at a flyfishing shop
that had nearly invisible cosmetic blemishes.  I built a rod with a blank used
on a $300 factory rod for about $160 total.  I think that there is a difference
in savings between building fly rods and spinning rods.  A friend who has built
several rods claims that he saves about half on fly rods, but spinning rods 
actually cost more to build.  I don't know whether this is because there is 
more labor in a fly rod, or maybe just less demand or something.  

Cheers.
 
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From: wivey@ncsc.org (William Ivey)
Subject: Long Casting
Reply-To: wivey@ncsc.org (William Ivey)
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:14:50 GMT

A week ago, I was at Cape Hatteras, NC, and drove out to
the Point to check out the fishing activity.  Things were
slow, an occasional blue and puppy drum.  However, there
was a gentleman there with a contraption that can only be
described as a cannon for casting/launching his bait.  It
consisted of an approximately 9' metal tube with an inside
diameter of about 3 inches.  One end of this was attached
to a 2 cubit foot cannister w/pressure gauge. A hose 
was attached to the cannister leading to a CO2 tank.  The
barrel was angled about 45 degrees pointing out to sea.  Also
attached to the barrel was a rod holder which holds the rod
at the same angle as the barrel.

His bait consisted of all terminal tackle and cut mullet
frozen into a cylinder of ice the same diameter as the 
barrel.  To cast/launch, he packed the bait in the barrel
using a ram-rod, just like a real cannon, placed the rod
in the holder, opened the bail, closed a valve at the
intersection of the barrel and cannister, opened the valve
between the cannister and the CO2 tank, built the pressure
in the cannister to approximately 80psi(I think), closed
the valve, then fired by opening the first valve.  The
result was a whoosh of air, maybe like a mortar launch 
although I've never witnessed one in person, rapid removal
of line from the reel, and a splash approximately 300 yards
out.

He was experimenting with using fresh bait, by just freezing
in ice his terminal tackle minus hooks, and attaching the
fresh cut mullet w/hook to the leader.  However, the result was
the terminal tackle going about 300 yards and the mullet
going about 100.

I didn't get his name, but Fran at Fran and Frank's in Avon
said he had been tinkering with his contraption for a while.
I believe he lives out there, so he will no doubt be around
through the season.


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From: boone@rtsg.mot.com (Todd D. Boone)
Subject: Re: Baitcasting rods/reels
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:21:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.044215.23696@webo.dg.com> fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.165649.6178@ncsu.edu> plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep19.054057.21515@serval.net.wsu.edu>, msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Dragon Lord) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Sep18.210304.17065@uwm.edu> sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Jay A. DeSart) writes:
>>|> >
>>|> >  LOTS OF STUFF ABOUT SWITCHING HANDS, LEFT HANDED BAITCASTERS ETC..
>>|>  Text removed to reduce net traffic....
>
>I am cronicly left handed, and therefore i avoided baitcaster because i couldn't
>coordinate reeling (like mad!) with my right hand. To say ther are LOTS of lefty
>reels is an exageration (IMHO).. I'm still looking for an affordable, quality 
>reel.. Ever since they discontinued the Ambassador XLT series. Either I spend
>$100 or I spend $25 for junk...
>
 You asked about a suggestion on a good left handed reel.  

 I really don't know whether or not this particular model comes in a left
 handed version.  But the Quantum 1310 is a good reel.

 As far as rods are concerned.  It depends very much on what type of lures
 your gonna be throwing.  

 all the above information is assuming the person is referring to largemouth.

-todd

>
>Tight Lines.....
>
>						Mike Fishman
>				(part-time engineer and full-time fisherman)
>{									      }
>{These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
>{									      }
>{									      }
>{ PS: email: fishman@tracker.webo.dg.com .or. mike_fishman@DGC.ceo.dg.com     }
>
>
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:59:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct5.130438.16059@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>mellery@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Homo habilis) writes:
>> 
>> 	I have just spent the greater part of this past summer
>> building my own wooden drift boat.  I bought a kit from a guy in
>> Oregon who specializes in that sort of thing.
>> 	My concern , now, is that I have never maneuvered this sort
>> of craft.  I am wondering what the best way to learn how to steer
>> and manage a drift boat is.  Are there any books on the matter that
>> someone could recommend?  Should I just start on small rivers and
>> work my way up to the bigger ones.  The boat is 17.5 feet and the
>> oars are 9 feet.  I plan to use it on some of the major rivers in
>> California such as the Eel and the Smith.  I may take it on the
>> Klamath when I have enough confidence in my skills.
>
>I would go out and buy some of the  whitewater  rafting books and read
>about  currents and how to manipulate  them  properly...  (I have been
>doing this recently since I have a new whitewater  raft that we use to
>fish  with)  The  drift  boat is more  sluggish  than a raft  but  the
>concepts  are  still  the same.  There are alot of books  out there to
>read, I think I have 7 so far.

I would begin in a lake, where you won't have current pushing you
around while you learn the rudiments.  Once you are confident of your
ability to steer, etc, you can venture on to mellow currents, etc.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: World record "sturgeon" caught! (sort of)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:43:11 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

A trawler in Northern Ireland caught a world record sturgeon in the Irish
Sea! And were glad it got away!

The US Navy submarine "Sturgeon" nearly dragged the four crewman to their
deaths :-) They had a nice 5 minute ride, with the stern completely underwater.

Alas, it got away. but it would have made a nice wall mount!

Pat Fitzpatrick