From: Jon@psgi.UUCP (Jon Witner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: C-NET
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:48:01 EST
Organization: Not an Organization


Here is something that I posted to the C-Net Amiga support BBS this morning. 
This message was removed when I called later. Apperantly Mr. C-Net is not
only a theif, he feels guilty about it or he doesn't want people to know 
the truth. I have worked with C-Net for so long that I feel people should
know the truth about C-Net Amiga which is he steals other peoples code. Not
copies it, steals it. Much of C-Net Amiga came from the blood and sweat of
Fred Fish and the people who submit programs with source to Mr. Fish.

I own C-Net Amiga, and posted this under an alias on the C-Net support BBS.
Whats worst about the C-Net author, he steals code and does not understand
how it works. Thats why the C-Net Arexx interface always printed Command
Returned 30 all over. Buggy code right off Fred Fish disk #1. The C-Net "C"
icon is the same size as the icon produced by "iconify.arc". Leo L. Schawb
allows people to use his source if the programmer gives him credit. C-Net
does not acknowledge Leo in any files distributed with C-Net Amiga or in the
manual.

People are still waiting for UseNet support built into C-Net Amiga. Will he
have to steal Matt Dillon's code to get this next major project finished?

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file: excelbbsdemo.lha (251791 bytes, 4m 51s, 7 xfers)
from: Storm Bringer
on  : Sun 16-Aug-1992  8:46p
info: Great Demo of Excelsior BBS, Check it out....

 
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#1/3 from: Big Brother  (Ken Pletzer)
     on  : Mon 17-Aug-1992  3:12a

 Hmmm... can we say, "CNet Rip-Off"?
 
 Geez.
 
 He does have some good ideas for the control panel and the visual editor.  I
 am copying THEM right now.  Fair IS fair.
 
 Ken
 
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#2/3 from: Heavy Metal  (Ray Akey)
     to  : Big Brother  (Ken Pletzer)
     on  : Mon 17-Aug-1992  4:15a
     
 Hehehe.. I think I'll dload this one and see what we can expect to make CNet
 even BETTER! :)  Go for it Ken!!!
  
  Heavy Metal  -> The Metal Shoppe (519)255-7378 (CLINK 1:5178/0)
 
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#3/3 from: Violator
     to  : Big Brother  (Ken Pletzer)
     on  : Mon 17-Aug-1992  11:10a
     
 Rip off Ken?  Boy, thats odd coming from you?  90% of Cnet is a rip of 
 something else?  What about Steve Drew's aux handler?  I have been in contact
 with him and he is probably going to sue you.  Your a thief.  Not even a
 smart one, at least take the guys copyright notice out, anyone with v1.99 and
 below can easily see that you have someone else's copywritten code in there.
 Or how about the A-Rexx, Fred Fish disk #1. Or how about the 90% of the MCI
 code, a rip from the people that worked on the 64 version for YOU, or how
 about the Screen Iconfier with the 'C'?   Some more code stolen.  Vote is
 ripped off of Tag, noise's in the conference are ripped off of Solarius
 (Galactic Comm), and someone else wrote that for you.  So dont be telling
 people that these guy's are a rip.  Hell, they support people far better than
 you can.  You totally screwed over all your users with 2.0 upgrade.  You
 crippled your door programmers with that god-awful so-called 'C' interface.
 Man, you really have some nerve.  Most of the stuff you write is ideas from
 your users, so dont give me that holier-than-thou attitude.  The whole
 message structure of Cnet is from the Apple version of T-Net, or doesnt that
 count since you ripped it a long time ago?  Or how about Skypix code?  Or how
 about the ARexx interface, another Skyline rip, it even says it your manual.
 Can we say "Skyline" rip off?

 EXCELSIOR! was designed because of all the shit you give to your users.  From
 what I am hearing now, you are really destroying CNet, can't figure out how
 to make things unlimited without making it a hack?  I tell you, that "xx"
 file for the XPR's is a perfect example of your work.  Can we say 100%
 residentable code Ken?  Or how about the shell?  You just took it and cut &
 pasted it, the damn thing doesnt even work like a shell.  Or how about the
 stack 40000 for each port.  Geesh.  EXCELSIOR! is 1000% better written, it is
 designed for someone who likes CNet, agreed, but a rip?  I doubt it.  I hope
 your users will come to understand just how you "operate", so I would take
 some time before you go criticizing others.

 This message will probably never be seen by anyone because I know your
 character.  But it was worth a chance.

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