HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jconklin@scott.skidmore.edu (jason conklin)
Subject: magazine subimsiissions
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:52:29 GMT

********************************* WANTED ********************************

WANTED: If there are any artists or writers out there who want their
work printed in the magazine that Represents the oldest role playing
society in the world please E-Mail them to me.

The publication is named Shadows of reality, and anyone who is
published will recieve a free copy. When submitting something include
your home address if you want a copy mailed out to you. If you are
submitting art either save a scan in GIF format, or if you don't have
access to a scanner e-mail me, and i'll send our address so you can
"snail" mail it to us.

What we are looking for is basically anything related to Role Playing
Games, stragety games, computerized RPG's, board games, and others of
the same gendre, from all over the globe....thank you
From: envwpk@epb2.lbl.gov (Werner P. Keilholz)
Newsgroups: alt.games.xtrek
Subject: How to build a vessel ?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:41:11 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: envwpk@epb2.lbl.gov (Werner P. Keilholz)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.39

#LOWER shields
#OPEN hailing frequencies

Hallo captains and commanders,

I have not been using xtrek for quite a while and now that I'm back to
where the action is I noticed that the game has evolved quite a bit 
since I last played... Therefore, I wonder if someone could point me to
some novelties of the current version. In particular, I remember that 
a player used to be able to design his own ship by means of a database 
file (I believe it was something like .starship). In the version we use 
now, you can choose one out of a couple of predefined ships (cruiser, 
scout, battleship, etc.). Is it still possible to define special features 
for your own account ?  If so, would someone be so kind to send me an 
example of the file ? Is there any documentation ?  Please reply by mail 
to save bandwidth and to protect sensible data from being overheard by
the enemy ...


Thanks in advance,

Werner
(Commander abord Federation battleship)

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               It's not the Holy Grail, it's ISO !!!

Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis,alt.out-of-body
From: treesh@bach.helios.nd.edu (carey treesh)
Subject: Re: Out of Body, but In Control?
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:15:35 GMT

Thats sorta why I was posting this on here to see if this story could be
ture or not.  I had no clue as to if something like this where possible, 
so thats why I wanted to get some opnions on it.

I guess what made is sound real too me was the way the person under the spell
was able to descibe things, but did not really know what they where! 

(The coffin, and "huge antenna")

ctfm

Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis,alt.out-of-body
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Out of Body, but In Control?
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:57:52 GMT

I am cross-posting this article to the new "alt.hypnosis" newsgroup, where
it is a response to an article posted on 6 November, and to the recently-
created alt.out-of-body newsgroup, which I suspect many of the readers of
alt.hypnosis may not have known about.  Thanks to "Bishop" (Lionel Richard
Clark, in Calgary, Alberta, Canada) for alerting me and others to Carey's
article and suggesting that I copy it to alt.out-of-body, which I will do
as a followup to the present article for the benefit of others in alt.out-
of-body.  I suggest that others who post followups also cross-post to the
OBE newsgroup.  Thanks.

In article <1992Nov6.184651.4080@news.nd.edu> treesh@bach.helios.nd.edu
	(carey treesh) writes:

> When I was just a kid, I remember my father telling a storey about the days
> when he was in the Navy.  He had a friend who knew how to hypnotize people
> and do some pretty incredible things with that person while he was under...

This story is very reminiscent of what I read about Edgar Cayce some time ago,
who was apparently able to journey immense distances for the purposes of in-
specting the medical problems of people whose photographs he was sent from
all over the world.  The book I read was by Jess Stearn, called _Edgar Cayce,
the Sleeping Prophet_, I think it was.  There is also a series of books by
sociology professor Kyriacos Markides (University of Maine) about a healer
in his native land of Cyprus, who they call "Daskalos" ("teacher" in Greek)
who reportedly uses out-of-body travel in his own healing methods.

This is a very fascinating report, Carey.  Thanks very much for recounting it!

Best regards,

Gary
-- 
    Gary S. Trujillo                             gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Xref: sparky alt.hypnosis:4 alt.out-of-body:421
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Out of Body, but In Control?
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:02:25 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting

In article <1992Nov9.154329.18488@sq.sq.com> donald@sq.sq.com
	(Donald Teed) writes:

> ...This does not coorespond to what I have understood about hyponosis -
> that it is a way of accessing the subconscious, to reveal what
> was recorded by the brain but is too difficult to access by
> normal recall...

> I also think the story is flawed.  Since when have out of
> body trips been able to exactly locate a geographical location
> and street address better than NASA and the pizza chain of your choice?

> ...Is there really a 'Main' street
> in Niles?  Sort of a 'standard' name.  Is there a 555 address?...

> I really think we are looking at a tall tale.

I took the 555 Main Street to be a deliberately fabricated bit of
information used to tell the story - not as a literal piece of Carey's
father's account - it was probably just used as a generic address.
Therefore, I don't think we should be critical about that point.
Also, hypnosis may generally be used for some particular function,
but I don't see why that fact should exclude other unusual things
being possible in a state of hypnosis, when the mind is operating
in a very unusual mode.

Gary
-- 
    Gary S. Trujillo                             gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis,alt.out-of-body
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Re: Out of Body, but In Control?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:43:29 GMT

gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:

>Here is Carey's article and a followup from alt.hypnosis:

>From: treesh@bach.helios.nd.edu (carey treesh)
>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:46:51 GMT
>Subject: Out of Body, but In Control?
>Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
>Message-ID: <1992Nov6.184651.4080@news.nd.edu>
>Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

>My dad told the hypnotist to send the person to his parent's home in Michigan.
>The hypnotist asked dad exactly where, the address, and city.  He then 'told'
>the man under his spell "You are now in the city of Niles, located in the
>state of Michigan, your on Main Street, the address is 555, tell us what
>you see."

>The man under the spell (Who had never been to Michigan) described the front
>yard, told the group of a orange brick house with a white roof, a front

This does not coorespond to what I have understood about hyponosis -
that it is a way of accessing the subconscious, to reveal what
was recorded by the brain but is too difficult to access by
normal recall.  I'm not sure whether this topic of 'out of body'
trips would be accepted by those who practice hypnosis professionally.
I also think the story is flawed.  Since when have out of
body trips been able to exactly locate a geographical location 
and street address better than NASA and the pizza chain of your choice?
Other persons who tell about their OOB experiences do not get
100% details correct, and seem to have no control or precognition
or sometimes even an understanding of their destination.  The
perception of what is being seen and the understanding of where
they are, are more often dreamlike and foggy, although obviously
insightful beyond 'normal' means.  Is there really a 'Main' street
in Niles?  Sort of a 'standard' name.  Is there a 555 address?  Have you
noticed that movies use phone numbers starting with 555 as a way
to ensure that it will not really be someone's number?  It can
also be a non-number in other usage, although not as guaranteed.
I really think we are looking at a tall tale.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Himbauan buat rekan-rekan
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:37:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.005005.23216@cs.su.oz.au> danny@cs.su.oz.au (Danny) writes:
|In article <1992Nov11.135954.13001@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda491s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Agus Budy Wuysang) writes:
|>BTW, although this newsgroup is not moderated (or is it?) use
|>English only, please.
|
|Please keep on using Indonesian!  I'm an Australian trying to learn the
|language and it's nice to have stuff to practise on.
|
|Danny.

Danny,

In case you didn't realize, a fair amount of Indonesian you read in this 
newsgroup are sprinkled with colloquials and slangs. Some are even 
(grammatically) incorrect. But they are generally understood and widely
used, especially in Jakarta. 

The moral of the story is: you can speak like that to any one, but if you 
want to write a formal letter, essay etc in Indonesian you would try
to use a more formal version of the language. So, don't throw away your
text books just yet and don't get confused.

Keep learning. It (the language) ain't that hard, you gonna speak it
in a flash.

  
--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: g9k079@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Pitoyo HARTONO")
Subject: Re: Portugese : same ol' crap....
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: aqua21.cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Organization: Centre for Informatics, WASEDA University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:32:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.132927.6273@donau.et.tudelft.nl> anto@donau.et.tudelft.nl (Anto Daryanto) writes:
>From article <92314.231823NXN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, by <NXN101@psuvm.psu.edu>:
>
>> Tetapi di dalam newsgroup ini saya bertemu dengan orang Eropah yang  
>>sama sikap dan mentaliti seperti ketiga-tiga orang yang saya sebut
>sebelumnya.  
>> Tolonglah, saudara, NASIHATILAH teman-teman orang putih saudara yang belum 
>> mengerti keadaan sesungguhnya di rantau ini. Saya sedih melihat orang-orang 
>> putih yang "begok" dan "dungu" yang cuba berdebat mengenai masalah Tim-Tim 
>> tetapi "bodoh macam lembu"!!!!! 
>>  
>>Itu saja yang saya mohon.  Perlu diajarin lembu-lembu tersebut supaya 
>> jadi pinter..... 
>>  
>
>**flame on** 
>
>Saya tidak mengerti kenapa anda bisa begitu bencinya terhadap orang
>putih. Saya sendiri anak perantauan, di Belanda. Orang di sini baik-baik,
>rasisme nggak pernah saya alami, saya tidak setuju kalau pendapat sdr.
>Nordin  mengasosiasikan semua orang putih sebagai "begok" dan "dungu",
>juga  menganggap mereka sebagai "lembu". Saya tidak habis pikir apa yang
>anda dapatkan di luar negri (apakah bisa dikatakan kalau anda sebagai
>orang Indonesia tulen, atau karena anda sendiri ngiri dengan keadaan
>orang putih?).
>
>**flame off**
>
>> 
>> -azlan nordin-
>>   Penn State
>
>Anto Daryanto
>
>
>--
>Delft University of Technology,		|
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>E-Mail: a.daryanto@dutetvd.et.tudelft.nl 

Saya sangat setuju dengan pendapat saudara Anto.Meng'generalisasi' bangsa
barat sebagai orang - orang yang dungu adalah pendapat yang sangat picik.
Dan lagi rasa - rasanya sayang kalau net ini diisi dengan kata - kata kasar
seperti yang dilontarkan oleh saudara Nordin.
Untuk saudara Nordin, yang berbudaya dikitlah.......

-- 
			Pitoyo HARTONO
			g9k079@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: about ET. to Mr Silveira
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:09:15 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Mr Luis M Silveira
i cannot believe reading the way you are answering my first posting. dont you
recognize your position ? can a loser tell someone how to be a winner ? can a
chicken tell a monkey how to climb a tree ? cant you get what i am saying ?
if you admit portugal has indeed neglected ET, how would you suppose we will
listen to you, a portuguese ? you are in no way has any right telling us what
to do about ET because what has happened now in ET is partly due to portugal
negligence. portugal, in other words,  is  INCOMPETENT & IRRESPONSIBLE too.
got it ? that is why in my first sentence of my first letter i have written not
to listen to portuguese, because they have given no good history if it is 
about ET.
do you know what the difference between invasion and integration is ? iraq
invaded kuwait. US invaded granada. indonesia integrated ET. the difference
is how we treat ETers. we try very hard to raise their living quality. we
include them in both local and national government. representatives of their
people are  in  our  house  of  representatives. we treated them like other
indonesians.  they  are  equal  to us, have the same rights in lives and
government. no invaders would do the same. in fact you,portuguese, should know
this better since in history you were the (griddy ?) colonizer taking many
lands and defeating tribes all over the world.
yes, you may pointed out at that tragedy again. but that mistake cannot and 
should not erase what indonesia has done  for a better ET. i wonder what 
would happened if indonesia did not 'invade' ET. ETers would be in terrible 
shape. isolated by outside world while being neglected by their irresponsible 
'friends' from portugal. 
now can you tell me why suddenly portugal acts like a mother concerning ET
while for hundreds of years they treated them like strangers. the way i see 
it personally, this 'noise' from portugal is coming from the embarassment 
because now every body in the world knows how portugal treated ET. it is as 
if portugal is saying: "i cannot handle it, so nobody should.because it will 
make me look bad." 
listen to your conscience Mr. Silveira, do you really think ET is going 
to be better with indonesia doing development there or with portugal doing 
nothing. again what indonesia needs is chance and time. gives us another 25
years and see what would happen.if we are still around, mr silveira, we might
want to discuss this again.

thank you

H Siahaan
From: Steve Frampton <frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesian Rest.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 09:02:16 EST
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: alt.culture.indonesia
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text

sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes:

> Hi fellow Indonesians, and other people interested in Indonesian food.
> 
> I only received one response from my posting about Indonesian rest in USA 
> and world (except Indonesia) :)
> 
> Please send me more e-mails, as I want to find out more...  There are a 
> lot of Indonesians out there, please respond...

There is a restaurant called simply, "Indonesian Restaurant" (or something
along those lines) in metro Toronto, Ontario, Canada, right downtown on
Yonge Street.  The phone number is (416) 967-0697 -- perhaps someone in
that area would be willing to phone and find out the exact address and
some select menu items with prices?  I've been there, they make Rendang
Sapi to *die* for!

Salam...

+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
| Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton     |
| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
| your area, I'll send one in return.  Send to >| Kingston, Ontario  |
| (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA   K7L 1C3   |
+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (Rui)
Subject: Re: Portugese : same ol' crap....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Distribution: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:31:00 GMT

In article <92314.231823NXN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <NXN101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
> 
>In article <FSYSBXJY@cc.swarthmore.edu>, sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen
>epstein) says:
> 
>>I read this newsgroup because I love Indonesia too, and even though my
>>ancestors might have come from Eastern Europe, I think we're all pretty
>>much the same people too-- human beings.  It's really sad to me to see the
>>discussion about East Timor degenerate into this name-calling.  I'm not
>>defending one side or the other, but the lack of civility in the debate
>>really depresses me. Do you really think Europeans are "all the same
>>disgusting species"?
> 
>Opps..sorry. Maybe not you.  You sound like a reasonable person.  What I was
>talking about is the Europeans (Portuguese) like Lopez d' Sequiera and
>Alfonso d' Alburquere who mercilessly invaded the Peninsular of Malaya
>(the Malaccan Sultanate Empire) in 1511, brutally  killing thousands of
>innocent peaceful people.  What the Portuguese did to East Timor have no
>difference until the Indonesians involved in the issue.
> 

Yes, those Portuguese did that.  And, unfortunately for the East 
Timorese, they had good followers:  Suharto and the Indonesian Government.


>Or, perhaps the name Daendles rings the bell.  A Dutch psychopath who forced
>millions  of Indonesians to build the road of death from Western to Eastern
>Java.  What was the purpose?  For Dutch Army to control the region
>militarily, so, it would be easier for them to suppress the Indonesians.
>Very disgusting indeed!!!! Ain't it?
> 

I couldn't agree more with you.  Now you understand the only reason why 
the Indonesian Government is building roads in East Timor.  Think about it.


Rui Pires
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Bahasa Jawa
Organization: Northeastern University, CCS Dept.
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:21:42 GMT

In article <P91083SW.92Nov10180206@tom00.tom.ai.kyutech.ac.jp> p91083sw@tom.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Wahyo Sindhu) writes:
>
>Guru Antropolog saya minta bantuan ttg terjemahan bhs Jawa ke bhs Inggris.
>Saya sendiri sudah banyak lupa bhs Jawa & tdk biasa menggunakan bhs Inggris.
>Kepada rekan-rekan yg punya waktu please help..
>
Ceritanya kok aneh-aneh sih, ada yang adu jago, kemalingan, sepeda rusak... 
Kenapa enggak sekalian cerita tentang mandi bersama bebek di
kali? (bukan bebek P!) "Bebek adus kali, nyucuki sabun wangi..."

Saya juga jarang menggunakan bahasa jawa, tapi akan saya coba menterjemah-
kannya.

(Cerita jawa sing ndek isor iki radha angel. Jaman aku cilik, biasane
aku ngomong jawa timuran, sing ndek kene iki kaya cara jawa tengahan.).

(Aku lagi nerjemahna 'kemalingan'. Uh, jangkrik, angel tenan. Dadine terjemah-
ane ora persis babar pisan. Nek guru sampeyan dadi bingung sa'wise maca
terjemahanku, yo wis nuwun sewu ae).
>
>2.kemalingan
(Somebody broke in (???))

>A: ....pitung piring, nek digawa kabeh okeh yoh, gelas-gelas ana,ning kok ora.
>   Baskom baskom ki yo ora digawani ki. Mung piring tok.
...seven dishes. If they had stolen all of them, it would be costly. They
didn't touch the glasses. They didn't took the bowls. They took the dishes
only.

>B: Pinten to?
How many?

>A: piringe?
The dishes, do you mean?

>B: Mboten, le mlebu.
No, the ones who broke in. (?)

>A: Niku lo njugil gedheg terus mbok menawi lawange dijugil nganggo apa ngono
>   kancinge.Wong piringe sebagian ana cerak nggenthong ngono kuwi teng kureb,
>   lha piring kok dikurebke ki ngapa, kaget kula punika.
They pried the bamboo wall and the door lock. Some of the dishes were put
upside-down close to the water bowl. I'm quite confused. Why did they put
the dishes upside-down?

>C: Nembe wau dalu?
They broke in last night?

>A: Wau dalu. Mangka aku ya wis nglilir, rumangsaku pakne.. nggokku baskom
>   piring piring ki yo ora digawa. Kumbahan barang neng nggon ember ki yo ora
>   digawa. Kok lucu, aku ngono, kok sing digawa kok mung piring tok.
Last night. Actually, I had been quite awake, I thought it was Daddy who made 
the noises. (wah, aku ora ngerti 'nggokku baskom') They didn't took the dishes
which had been supposed to be washed. It's a little bit funny, they took 
only the dishes.

>B: Pitik sing kemanggang kemanggang wolu, dadi sing pitik dek emben niku gedhe
>   gedhe niku papat, sing gedhe, sing cilik cilik niku lima. Empun tunggale
>   sing dibeleh siji dek emben. Arep tak beleh bapakne Muni keciliken ngaten.

>C: Mboten pirsa jam pinten kinten kinten?
Do you know at what time they broke in?

>A: Antawispun jam setunggal. Aku ki krungu. Gugah gugah bapakne to. 
It was about one o'clock in the night. 
>


>wahyo sindhu abk

Sorry berat, terjemahannya cuma sebisanya. 
Oki
okidz@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Facts #4
Originator: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Keywords: human rights
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:08:36 GMT


JOINT COMMUNIQUE OF THE
TWENTY-FIFTH ASEAN MINISTRIAL MEETING
MANILA, 21 - 22 JULY 1992
-------------------------------------

18. The Foreign Minister maintained that environmental and
human rights concerns should not be made as conditionalities
in economic and development cooperation. They noted that
basic human rights, while universal in character, are
governed by the distinct culture and history of, and socio-
economic conditions in each country and that their 
expression and application in the rational context are 
within the competence and responsibility of each country.

-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia