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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:23:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.182730.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Lake Elmo, MN) writes:
>Dr. Elmo needs an issue number, please.

Dr.? Damn, Elmo must have *really* done well on that Master's exam...

>He's only vaguely omniscient.

Is that omniscient in your vagueness, or vague about omniscience?

"Here on the tree shaded banks of Lake Micawawa lies one of America's great
storehouses of knowledge, The Double-Domed Institute for Advanced Thinking.
You, sir, what is your scholastic background?"
"Well, I have a B.A. from Columbia, an M.A. from Harvard, and a Ph.D. From 
Caltech."
"And I take it you're a professor here?"
"No, I'm the janitor."
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Logic in Advs. of Superman!!!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:36:56 GMT
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In article 00Vog8AcVhQ@andrew.cmu.edu, jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan D. Lyness) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct5.182732.11381@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com
>(Kevvy Kev) writes...
>>So:
>> 
>>I burn through the latest issue of Adventures of Superman, in which the 
>>imp from the 5th torments our big lovable oaf once again.  Besides the 
>>Watchmen "tribute,"
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Wow...I'm very curious. What is this "tribute"?
>Could someone who has read the issue explain?
>
>
>thanks,
>
>Jon

The Watchman tribute is a sequence where Lex Luthor II, changed to look
like Lex Luthor I (but who, unbeknownst to most is REALLY Luthor I...)
is attacked by Mxt's thugs.   It's a panel-by-panel copy of the murder of 
The Comedian at the beginning of The Watchmen.

There's numerous other Watchmen references woven into the story, but
I'll leave those for you to enjoy when you read the issue.  (You will
now, won't you?)

I, too, was delighted to see this excellent revival of a puzzle story
--the sort that DC did so well in the Silver Age.

--James Langdell       jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems     Mountain View, Calif.
From: JVI100@psuvm.psu.edu
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Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:04:36 GMT
 <ZEESHAN.92Oct5160310@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> <1992Oct5.223155.12965@netcom.com>
 <BvpCuo.MMH@world.std.com>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <BvpCuo.MMH@world.std.com>, Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) says:
>
>Actually, although I love Foglio's work, I'd love to see Sergio Aragones
>illustrating this one :-)
>
>Alexx
>
             Sergio Aragones doing an issue of Sandman would be great!
    This gets my vote!

                                                .the Morning Star
From: v125qj86@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey B Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman 34: Destructions' home
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Spoilers to follow:




















	Someone mentioned that they thought Destruction lived pretty close to
Orpheus. I think they're right. 
	Take a look at part one of BL. Where they show the aerial view of
Orpheus' island, and the neighboring island. Look at the house on the latter.
	Now look at Destructions' house in issue 43. Its the same layout.
(At least, for that side of the house, and the roof).
	I think its the same house.


							J.B.Rogers
							SUNY@Buffalo
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From: mason
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 09:07:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.005553.6152@cis.ohio-state.edu>
friedman@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes:
 
>>Marc Silvestri really blew me away. I thought it would be good. I knew
>>I liked him from X-Men & Wolvie, but this art is totally and completely
>>light years ahead of anything I've seen from him.
 
>Well, maybe it's good for *his* stuff.
 
Silvestri's work here is better than any I've seen him do before.
I've never been his biggest fan, but this book impressed me.  One
thing you have to say for Image -- the artists care a lot more
about their work than they used to.  The coloring was fabulous.
Half of any story is its art, and Silvestri doesn't disappoint.
 
>Well, this is the bottom line: don't get it for the story: *ywan*.
>His *brother* (Eric Silvestri) writes the thing?  Gimmie a break, eh?
 
The other half of any story is the writing, and Cyberforce dropped
the ball on this one.  Does Eric Silvestri have ANY experience at
all?  Anyone?  There were FAR too many acronyms being tossed around,
and I can't decide whether the recurring use of the word "cyber-"
was laughable or simply nauseous.  I suppose the plot is okay, and
the characters are interesting, even tho Ripclaw IS a blatant clone
of Wolvie at his animal worst.  I'll stick around for the second
issue.
 
>And why, OH WHY do they have to stick that heavy-stock Image #0 crap
>in the pages!?!?  Like...we...care?
 
My biggest complaint also.  They at least could have had the decency
to put the damn thing in the middle, where it's easy to pull out and
burn.  It's gonna be a real bitch prying that sucker out, but I flat
out refuse to leave it where it is.  Feh.
 
"Life IS pain.  Anyone who tells you differently is selling something."
-- mason
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 09:46:06 EDT

dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

> In article <92281.194941DKERR@NDSUVM1.BITNET> DKERR@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
> >In article <21013@plains.NoDak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) s
> >>Heck, why limit ourselves? Gustaf Durer, for any Endless story set back a
> >                            ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
> >>few hundred years. Or a tour of Despair's realm. Rembrandt for the current
> >>storyline (the current art, especially Del's randomly abstract face, remind
> >>me of his sketches for some reason). Van Gogh for Delirium at Home.
> >>
> >>Any others? Hmm...
> 

Well, sure.  Hieronymous Bosch for one.  Salvador Dali.  Kate Greenaway.  
And how about Beatrix Potter?

Namaste,
Elizabeth

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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS 161: Sitting roaches
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:55:57 GMT

In <Bvnv59.yH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (kieran) writes:

>     No, not fatal, but it did effectively remove him from the position
>as the leader of the mini-rebellion against the Cirinists.  I can't see
>this new love-struck Roach shooting automatic crossbow bolts at anyone.
>(BTW, who is he supposed to resemble now?)

Morpheus (aka Dream), I believe.

                           "I should have caught the mistake on that spelling
                            bee card.  But as Mark Twain once said, 'You
                            should never trust a man who has only one way to
                            spell a word.'"
                                           -- Dan Quayle, actually quoting
                                              from President Andrew Jackson

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Vampire Lestat
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:18:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.194813.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>To answer a question (wow! I know something somebody asked about!), "The
>Vampire Lestat" is an adaptation of the novel by Anne Rice, originally done
>in twelve issues and now collected in a trade paperback. I thought it was
>worthwhile, but I liked the original book. The art, however, is done is a
>very nice style. 

It should be pointed out that 'The Vampire Lestat' is the second book in the
series, the first being 'Interview With A Vampire'. I don't know how much
difference this will make to reading theformer, or even if the latter has been 
adapted. 

MikE
From: francis@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image gets competition?
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:27:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: python.FRANCIS.92Oct16102714
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
Originator: francis@python.cis.ohio-state.edu

Presumably certain other creators would get involved; I wonder if
Weezy and Blue Sky Blue would take advantage of the name recognition
this new company would have?  (or have I gotten mixed up?  I think
Louise Simonson is the creator behind Nestrobber).

One might imagine that Walt was a driving force behind the naming of
the company at least (look at his signature, and show a little
imagination if you don't get it...).
-- 
R David Francis                         (Alternate addresses): rdf+@osu.edu
                                                            osu-cis!francis
B:If you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you believe?
R:Oh, Bullwinkle!           B:It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Marvel UK question
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:35:28 GMT

Er...all *three*?  Sorry, there's more than three.  Not counting upcoming minis
like Battle Tide and Digitek and regular series Death's Head II, there is at 
least a fourth UK title, Knights of the Pendragon.  In fact, it's the only one 
of them I read now (but I'll pick up DHII, yes?).
     Dave Van Domelen, three titles indeed.  Hmph. }->
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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: DC: Doom Patrol 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:28:52 GMT

	Hmm.  Well, the most recent issue of Doom Patrol I've read is #60,
so I'm not completely up-to-date, but if the Candlemaker is destroying the
dream-self of New York, then shouldn't Morpheus be concerned?  I would love to
see him show up in Doom Patrol.  I guess they're out of continuity though.
	Still, it would be nice.
	Hehe.

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MARVEL: DR. STRANGE
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:48:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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>speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
>writes:
>
>>(By the way, what's DR STRANGE doing these days?  I haven't really read
>>anything more recent than the excellent Engelhart run in the mid-seventies.
>>I recall that the mid-eighties run (Roger Stern?) was well thought of 
>>on the net when it came out, but I've heard damn little about it since
>>then.)

A few months ago I picked up some of the Roger Stern-period Doctor Strange
issues.  I was prompted to do so after seeing significant amounts of
Paul Smith's impressive artwork in the current stretch of "Classic X-Men" 
issues.  Smith left that title to draw several issues of the Doctor.  
Very good stories they were, even in issues where Stern worked with other 
artists.

--James Langdell      jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems    Mountain View, Calif.
From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Life, the Marvel Universe and everything
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:42:42 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

>>Which makes one wonder (or dread) what next summer is going to be
>>like, since both Marvel and DC are supposedly going to be using their
>>summer annuals as springboards for dozens of new titles (and
>>presumably dozens of new characters as well)....
>>
> Dat's right, according to ComicsInternational (probably *the* best non-fanboy
> comics magazine around) each of next year's 25 Marvel annuals will be a self-
> contained story (ie no crossovers or 'family groupings') which will introduce a
> new character (hero or villain). The push is being called 'The Superstars Of
> Tomorrow', and is designed "to roll out some of the characters that [Marvel's
> creators] have been nurturing in the backs of thir minds" (Gruenwald).

I believe that DC's annuals are going to be called BLOODLINES or something
like that.
Scotty B

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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: cerebus--phonebooks
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:32:52 GMT

ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:

>Did Dave Sim ever include a map of the world that cerebus lives in?

Yes, albeit a rather crudely-drawn one.  It appeared in about issues 3-10 (and
in their Cerebus Bi-Weekly reprints), but the easiest place to get a copy
would probably be "Free Cerebus"  Ask your local dealer.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"[By the way, I've always wondered about this: Before he became Caspar
 the Friendly Ghost, was he Caspar the Friendly Terminally Ill Child,
 Caspar the Friendly About To Be Brutally Murdered Child, or Caspar the
 Friendly Horribly Mangled in a Terrible Accident Child?]"  -- Dr. Foo
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: WeaselNews (tm)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:38:36 GMT

WN works, but it doesn't pause at page-break, so the entire article will scroll
away if you're not careful.
     Whoever said all they got was 'login:', you need to use the port number, 
otherwise you're just trying to get into the machine itself.
     telnet boa.cis.ohio-state.edu 4321
is what you should type.
     Dave Van Domelen, can't think of a .sig just now....
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
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Subject: Re: Siderman 2099 #2
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:25:19 EDT

In article <70724@hydra.gatech.EDU>, vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon W. Hughes) writes:
> Siderman?  Didn't he and Suicide Squid have that
> big cross-company crossover back in the early 80's?
> (I'm sorry, my copy of the SS-Sidey crossover was
> lost in a flood last year, so I couldn't look it
> up.)  Anyhow, could some kind soul who has this
> please send me a summary of the plot, since it's
> been years since I've read it.  Also, what's the
> origin story of this new Siderman?
> 
> Curiously,
> Jon

Hmm, wonder if there are going to be legal problems with the
recently released Ciderman and The Applejack Crew.  Could be
another Superman-Capt. Marvel courtroom battle in the works.

Mark Balbes
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Who the heck was Irving Forbush???
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.233202.13594@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>[Irving Forbush] was a central figure in the cadet branch of the Wold Stevens >family.  His sister, Marie, was known by her married name, Mrs. Calabash; his >uncle Tim was the founder of the Yancy Street Irregulars.

Of course, his relation to Marvel was that he was the writer-artist of the
single Marvel issue of Suicide Squid. Due to the 15 different holographic
metallic ink foil imbossed pop-up glow in the dark covers, the Marvel issue
of Suicide Squid #1 sold a record 15 billion copies, more than five for 
every person then on Earth. As this was the first modern Marvel comic
written by anyone other than Stan Lee, Stan immediately cancelled the book
and attempted to turn poor genius Irving Forbush into an object of ridicule.
To avoid possible lawsuits, his face was never shown.

The Marvel Suicide Squids were used in 1969 to replace the gold in Fort Knox,
on the grounds that since gold would always be valued at $35/troy ounce and
such a demanded comic would surely appreciate in value, the Squids represented
a better long term investment by the government. The wisdom of this move
is indicated by the fact (I'm not making this up) that 1969 was the last
year the government had a budget surplus.

"This single episode increase the ratings of the show to such a degree that
the following episodes were shown without commercials because no one could
afford the advertising rates. The show was canceled two weeks later."
  --Cowboy Wally's Late Night Celebrity Showdown
tyg  tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: cerebus 162
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:30:07 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>Response to minor nit:  the only copy of part III was in Oscar's possession 
>(perhaps he had other drafts, but remember his house got torched).  When he was
>arrested for lacking artistic license, the Cirinists probably impounded the 
>book as evidence or just destroyed it.  Hence, the publisher had no recourse 
>but to get another (and necessarily inferior }->) writer for part III.

Yup.

[...]
>     Anyway, back to the question that started this whole time-keeping mess:  
>Is Astoria pregnant with Cerebus's child?  No.  At least a year passed between 
>the second marriage and Jaka's Story.  And if she bore his child in jail, 
>there's a good chance she'd no longer *be* in jail (she'd be a Mother, no?).

Yet another minor nit:  Astoria isn't/is no longer pregnant assuming a normal
pregnancy.  A dubious assumption given the amount of weird mystic shit that
she is near the center of.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"When she asked 'Doing what?' you should have said, 'Having multiple
 orgasms until you tell me to stop.'"    -- Dave Sim, Cerebus 160
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman: Realms (was Re: Sandman #43: Transportation)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:48:21 GMT
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <1992Oct15.195917.26407@thinkage.on.ca> dat@thinkage.on.ca (David Adrien Tanguay) writes:
>Wasn't Hell referred to as "psychic real-estate"? The Dreaming would be
>another. What are others (aside from various heavens)? Does every Endless
>rule a psychic land, or is Dream the only one?

Each endless seems to have a realm, whether large or small. Ones
we know about:

Destiny:	House with garden (does it have a name?); seen in
		prelude to Season of Mists
Death:		Crash pad w/ goldfish; seen in Special #1 ("Orpheus")
Dream:		The Dreaming
Destruction:	Realm mentioned, never seen
Desire:		The Threshold (seen in Doll's House pt. 1)
Despair:	The Place Behind the Mirrors; seen in Brief Lives
		pt. 1
Delirium:	Realm mentioned, never seen

Some of these are much bigger than others. Also, Dream's realm
seems much more functional then the others; it's the place we go
when we sleep. We haven't seen how any of the other realms help
their owners perform their duties. Every realm seems to at least
contain a gallery (though Destruction's gallery now seems to be
on Earth).

Other interesting bits of "psychic real estate": Various heavens
& hells, Faerie, the realms of Order & Chaos, Asgard, Olympus... 

Here's another question: It was hardly a secret that Dream was
locked up on Earth. Why didn't any of those beings from Season of
Mists try to muscle in on the Dreaming? All right, it's no Hell,
but it's better than nothing... One possibility is that this
would have offended the other Endless, who presumably view their
realms as sancrosanct. For that matter, why didn't any of the
other Endless help to free Dream?
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (H. R. Costigan)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Love & Rockets fans ("the comics book")
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:55:26 GMT

empath@ais.org  writes:
> Mabe i didn't look hard enough, buti didn't see any articles about
> Love and Rockets around here. I know that I'm not the only one who 
> lkes reading this ikes reading :q1this awesome mag
> 
> SOMEOE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE OUT THERE!!

I read it, but I don't seem to be liking it as much as earlier
stuff.  I was actually glad to see the current stories end
because they didn't really seem to go anywhere.  I hope that
the new tales are up to par with the "Death of Speedy" or
"Duck Feet" work they did back then.
--
                               Curt Tsui
                           curt@Virginia.EDU                                  
    "I've got a peculiar weakness for criminals and artists -- neither
                takes life as it is." -- Stanley Kubrick
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Howarth Overload
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:17:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <lsmith.717898184@myria> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>I was looking over the new titles for this week and it looks like we're
>facing a serious Matt Howarth overload. The collected Changes from Heavy
>Metal that Tundra is putting out and two issues of Those Annoying Post Bros.
>(issues #26 and #27). Frankly, I don't think I can be held responsible after
>reading that much Post stuff in one day.

Surreal effect, no? I read 'Changes' and the two issues, as well as the latest
Sandman and Cerebus, all in one sitting just before an anime club meeting last
friday. I then went home and watched 3x3Eyes.......

The next day, things seemed a little too normal for my tastes........

Seriously, getting to read 'Changes' all in a row is a really kick-ass 
experience, and I -loved- the way Howarth ended the 'Emporer Ron' story arc, 
and the antics at the comic book convention in #27....... 

"Yeah? How about if I touch your spleen? Do I have to buy it then? Can I take
it come with me?"

And who else but Howarth would ever use "<Intensly ominous stare>" as a sound
effect? ;>

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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