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From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush and death
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:57:36 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.rush,local
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In article <1992Aug27.154212.18736@dcc.uchile.cl>, cfernand@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl writes:
> Hi guys!
> 
> Maybe it's time for a new thread.
> I've been thinking lately (incredible!) about the strong feelings that the
> most powerful Rush songs convey. Many of them are powerful images, like the
> thrill of Red Barchetta, but I feel that the most thought provoking and moving
> ones, like Time Stand Still, have in the background the concern of death. In
> this song it is clear that nobody would worry much about time if it was not a
> limited resource, and though death is not present in a direct manner, you can
> feel it watching. (what a dark subject this is!)
> Death is also present in Dreamline, directly (We're only immortal...) and
> indirectly, IMHO, because the feelings it conveys are the ones you get when
> you think of death in an active (japanese would say warrior-like) mood.
> Anybody thought about it this way?
> 
> 								          JJS
> 
  No.
From: albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:34:56 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <1992Sep2.144458.26209@burrhus.harvard.edu>, dsvoss@isr.harvard.edu (Steve Voss) writes:
|> I must say, I have been extremely impressed with the quality of
|> intellectual discussion going on in this group regarding Ayn Rand
|> and Rush.  It far exceeds the intellectual content in the other, more
|> "serious" groups I read.  In particular, I have found Kamchatka Charlie's
|> writing impressive.  In a recent letter, he argued that Rand, in
|> "Apollo vs. Dionysius", is Apollonian because she subjugates the 
|> emotions to the mind, whereas Rush (e.g. Hemispheres) preaches balance.
|> I agree with this completely, and wanted to add another piece of
|> evidence.  Although Rand's "Anthem" and "2112" do have many
|> similarities, consider the differences.  In "Anthem", the man finds
|> technology; he is man the inventor.  His enemy is described as a bunch
|> of sheep, cowering in fear from technology, from the power held by the
|> minds of women and men.  On the other hand, the character in "2112"
|> discovers a guitar, a musical instrument.  His enemy resides in a
|> hall filled with computers, used to regulate the behavior of those
|> not among the Priests of Syrinx.  They seem to fear the power held
|> by the human spirit, as it could be expressed in music.  I think
|> the two examples are qualitatively different.  What do you think?
|> 
|> steve

	  I think he's completely right....

Great moments in Rush concert history.....
	
	Try listening to the 1981 Chicago Show.  The 2112 version is completely awesome!  (As a matter of fact the entire concert is awesome).  2112 studio version suddendly becomes 'dull'.

albertr
From: lynx@terapin.com (Debbie Caraway)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: rush ancestry
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:41:47 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Aug23.2133.1739@dosgate>, mike.rizzello@canrem.com (mike
rizzello) writes:
>
> There was some talk about the guys parents earlier on.  I do believe
>that Geddy's are Jewish from Poland (they came to Canada after fleeing
>from Nazi concentration camps).  IT is obvious that Alex is Yugoslavian
> the trouble is which part.  He was born somewhere in Eastern Canada,
>(my friend and also MEGA Rush fan said in or around Halifax).  And Niel
>is the son of a farm-equiptment salesman (or something like that 'cause
>St. Catherines is in the heart of Ontario's farming industry), and
>probably third for fourth generation from somewhere in the U.K.
>
> Of course this is just from my findings, if there are any re-buttles
>please do it quietly!  And don't anyone post any FAQ lists or such!!!
>
>Cheers!!!
>
> Mike RIzzelLO
>
> mike.rizzello@canrem.com
>--
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Some of this I kind of gathered.  It's even ambiguous to say Geddy's parents
are from Poland because not all of what is Poland now, was Poland then.  
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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Rush & Terry Brown
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:35:42 GMT

rone@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:

>In article <1992Aug30.201731.11238@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
>>srf6200@zeus.tamu.edu   writes:
>>>Yes, their recent work has been rather lame.  But believe me, their older 
>>>works were simply copies of Led Zeppelin.  Rush simply has not been able to 
>>>keep up in these recent years with more progressive bands.
>>   Led Zeppelin?!? How can you compare Rush with a bunch of hippies? And what
>>constitutes "keeping up" with ANY progressive band?
>>Flames to /dev/nul.

>Not gonna work.  Er, Muff, if you can look at the group's pictures in "Rush"
>and not call them hippies, you must have a very strict definition of hippies.
>Also, if you listen to LZ, and then listen to "Rush" (esp. "Finding My Way"),
>the similarities are a BIT obvious.

We were comparing Rush's RECENT stuff to LZ.
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 11:19:08 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

> As Neil would respond in the Backstage Club Q&A: Uh, sure.

I couldn't stop laughing at this!  Well said.                                  

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From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:15:02 GMT

ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
} dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany) writes:
} >According to my calculations, a-feygin@uiuc.edu typed...
} >> ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
} >> } feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
} >> } >ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
} >> } >} feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
} >> } >} >Just bought GUP on CD yesterday and was NOT impressed with the
} >> } >} >sound quality.
} >> } >} Alex, you suck.  Your ears are made of horse droppings.
} >> } >Just for that you cant borrow it
} >> } Fine, then I'll steal it next time I come over.
} >> I'll just steal it back being that you never lock your door
} >Please take this to email.
} Okay, I think I will.  I'm sorry.  Alex, aren't you sorry too?

Yes Im very sorry
-- 
  Alexander Feygin      "A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission"
 a-feygin@uiuc.edu                         -- Rush

   The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not CCSO
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:04:53 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

According to my calculations, bill@verdix.com typed...
> The production on later albums such as Grace is horrible.

In what way?  It's easy to say that you don't like something.  Why don't
you like the production on later albums?

-- 

Dan Delany                                              dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu
  "If Bob can't figure out his VCR, he'll never be able to figure out women."
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Subject: Re: A 5150 group!   ^^    ^^^^^^^^
From: jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle )
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:42 PDT
Organization: California State University, Bakersfield

Take it out of rec.arts.disney, 5150.  Flames to /dev/null.
Jennifer
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From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: anybody know what this means?
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:33:58 GMT


>>Also, "Now it's dark."  (RTB also)
>
>Don't know...

	It's from a movie, Blue Velvet, I think. I can't say for sure, as I'm
not much of a movie fan.

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From: asr@castle.ed.ac.uk (Angus "Fluffy" Rae)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Francis Monkman
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:52:02 GMT
Organization: CATHY_VoiceMail_Project

nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
}In article <25205@castle.ed.ac.uk}, asr@castle.ed.ac.uk
}(Angus "Fluffy" Rae) writes:
}} Sky 3 is patchy, but not bad. 4-Forthcoming I don't like too much, and
}} my tape has gone missing. Only good bit is a version of Bach's Tocatta
}} and Fugue...
}Um, actually that's at the end of Sky 2.  (Incidentally it probably isn't
}by Bach - the manuscript just turned up one day, c. 1800, and somebody
}said "sounds like Bach", which it doesn't - the fugue is too easy.)

Oops, how incredibly embarressing... yes, you're right. Dunno what I was
thinking of, to be quite honest. Rats.

}Alas, Sky 4, 5... etc are not available on CD.  The edition which brought
}out 1, 2 and 3 (looks like a cheap, tatty music club - but the transfers sound
}very good) said it was only intending to release those three.

It wouldn't be Fame, by any chance? They seem to buy up a lot of rather
good stuff and reissue it - I think they did Sky 1 on tape a few years
ago. Not too bad quality wise.

-- 
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From: kutcha@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Phillip Rzewski)
Subject: Re: Steve Hackett question.. whats good to t
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.124750.27782@hemlock.cray.com> n3884@cray.com writes:
>Actually, I think "Please Don't Touch" was his second solo effort.  It has
>guest stars including Richie Havens and the lead singer of Kansas.  I thought
>it sucked when compared to Voyage of the Acolyte.  The bright and poppy
>sound came across as phony.  I quit buying his stuff after this.  Maybe
>I`ll try one of the suggestions previously posted.

    You are correct about "Please Don't Touch" being his second effort. I
agree that it was much weaker than his first, but I think there were a couple
good moments on there (such as the title track). Basically on Acolyte he had
guest musicians from Genesis, so it sounded almost like Genesis stuff, which
most people can agree with. It looks like when he got to making Please Don't
Touch he was still looking to do the guest star thing but wanted to try and
sound different. It just didn't work.

    By the time he got to Spectral Mornings (and if you have the album's liner
notes you've read this) he had acquired his own steady _band_ and was making
good music all around. This led to some nice albums like Defector, Highly
String, Till We Have Faces, the list goes on. If you like nice mellow acoustic
guitar action, Bay of Kings is also worth checking out.

    When I went to complete my Hackett collection, I found the only one of his
albums that was still import-only was Till We Have Faces, and that was a year
ago so for all I know it might be available now. I will second the motion
offered that Cured is probably a bad choice, at least as a first one. There
are one or two nice songs on there (the instrumentals :) ) but the rest are
basically trash.

    Happy Hacketting!

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   Phillip Andrew Rzewski                      Internet: kutcha@acm.rpi.edu
      "Are you real?"                               "I'm 386 enhanced."
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From: jtl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Joe Lynn)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: New Renaissance CD Reissues
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:03:49 GMT
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The first two Annie Haslam-era Renaissance LPs have just been
reissued in the US by One Way Records (distributed by Capitol/EMI
Special Markets).

They are not yet available in stores, but an outfit called "The Music
Shack" sells One Way's products via direct mail.  They can be 
reached at (518) 436-4581.

The catalog number for _Prologue_ is 57577, and _Ashes Are Burning_ 
is 57576.  Price is around $12-14 per disc, plus shipping.

Here is the ad copy which appears in the latest _Goldmine_ magazine:

	Renaissance, featuring Annie Haslam, have been making great
	music for over 20 years & have earned their place in rock 
	history.  These two albums, originally released in 1972 & 1973,
	are considered their best by critics and fans alike and
	have stood the test of time.  Annie Haslam's recent CBS release
	has once again put her name in the limelight & these albums
	show her formidable beginnings.  "Ashes Are Burning" has been 
	restored to its original full length, something fans have
	been screaming for!


(I am in no way affiliated with One Way Records, CEMA, or The Music
Shack.  I'm just a Renaissance fan passing on the information.)


Joe Lynn
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Progressive music sources and mags
Keywords: progressive
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:54:48 GMT

I'm interested in compiling a list of progressive music sources and 
magazines. Please email any suggestions you have, including record
stores that carry hard to find Prog music, Eurorock and such, and 
any other ideas you have. I'll probably turn it into a FAQ post of
some sort and also distribute it to the many prog fans I know offline. 

Please email me at malcolm@wrs.com and I'll post a summary. 

I'm already familar with Wayside and will pull some other addresses
from the music sources post, but I'm looking for feedback from people
who have actually bought stuff from these vendors, not just a brief
list of contact addresses. I'd also like descriptions of magazines...

Here's a magazine I just heard about but haven't seen. Anyone got more 
info? 

Progression - a magazine about progressive music. PO BOX 7164, Lowell, 
MA 01852. 

Anyone seen this? Is it a glossy or a fanzine? Subscription costs? Is
the scope broad or narrow? 

 - malcolm@wrs.com  
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From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: Steve Hackett Concert , Ottawa Canada
Keywords: Steve Hackett Genesis Ottawa
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:47:33 GMT

No spoiler here, just good vibes. Steve Hackett performed at the Peguin Rock Club
at Ottawa, Canada last night.

Well I wasn't expecting a great performance out of this guy and was astounded! Being a 
young guy (26), I missed seeing this guy when he was with Genesis and from listening
to the earlier Genesis albums, he was definitely good but not the centrepiece of the
band. I expected to hear some good riffs and old classics but nothing spectacular at
the show. I had seen him with Steve Howe in GTR a few years ago and he was good then
but didn't overwhelm me with his playing. Solo it's a different story. Alone this guy
has presence, style and class. He really put on some tremendous licks that would have
Adrian Belew salivating. His support band was equally impressive. Together they         
provided a balanced attack of oldies, instrumentals and new material. Well worth the
price of admission. Even the girlfriend liked his material and she's into G&R. I'd
like to add more but I would start spoiling it for others who haven't seen the show.

Andy ``Progressive Rock is the Thinking Man's Rock''
From: hmn@unity.ncsu.edu (Harry Nicholos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Steve Hackett question.. whats good to t
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:34:31 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity

Time Lapse (live) has just been released domestically and is worth a
hearty recommendation.  He covers turns from all of his albums, except
the two acoustic ones (bay of kings and momentum) and even does a
genesis tumne.

A great sampler and a great live album.\\

Harry
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:11:29 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <WHITE.92Sep1170943@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu> white@mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master) writes:
>
>	Could someone please recommend some John McLaughlin/Mahavishnu
>Orchestra albums?  

You seem to have missed two of their best.  "Birds of Fire" and "Visions
of an Emerald Beyond" are excellent.  From what I've seen of your tastes
I would go out and get "Visions.." as soon as possible.

>	Based on my opinions, which other albums would I like?  I've
>heard good things about "Inner Mounting Flame" and "My Goals Beyond"...

If you liked Shakti I would highly recommend two of Mclaughlins recent albums.
The "live" one done in England with Trilok Gurtu, Kai Eckhardt, and 
Mclaupghlin.  There is a "bit" of eastern influence in the sound though
not as much as Shakti.  The most recent studio album also has Trilok Gurtu
but the bass player was replaced.  I don't have either of the albums with
me or I could provide more details.  If you like the eastern influence found
on the Shakti albums I *highly* recommend Zakir Hussains "Making Music".  This
masterpiece features Jan Garbarek on sax, McLaughlin on guitar, Hussain on 
percucussion and Hariprasad Charusia on wooden flute.  Performances by all
are incredible, and the recording is great.  Listen to this when you can 
really "listen" to the music.  This is an excellent late night recording.

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From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:29:40 GMT
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> I would reccomend "Birds of Fire" to anyone because Mahavishu is
> nothing short of amazing on guitar in this album.

IMO, even better than the wonderful _Birds of Fire_ is _Inner Mounting Flame_,
the first release from Mahavishnu.  The guitar is better and more exploratory,
and Jan Hammers keyboard work is excellent.  A must-have.


	Mike
From: nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Francis Monkman
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:13:18 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

> }Alas, Sky 4, 5... etc are not available on CD.  The edition which brought
> }out 1, 2 and 3 (looks like a cheap, tatty music club - but the transfers sound
> }very good) said it was only intending to release those three.
> 
> It wouldn't be Fame, by any chance? They seem to buy up a lot of rather
> good stuff and reissue it - I think they did Sky 1 on tape a few years
> ago. Not too bad quality wise.
> 

No, it's a "music club" - they mainly do easy listening for housewives,
I think.  I got them for L5.50 each.
From: daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Help: Marillion FTP sites and lyrics?
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:39:15 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug28.003426.1921@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> gip@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (G.I.P.) writes:
>
>	Does anyone know of any FTP sites that have Marillion related
>material (other than cs.uwp.edu)?
>	Also if anyone has them, can they pass along the lyrics for "I Will
>Walk on Water" and Rare Bird's "Sympathy" that were included on the recent
>Marillion compilation.
>	Thanks in advance...


	Make it two please.  ANY information would be greatly
appreciated.  Thanks in advance also......

T. Daniel Crawford
Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602

reply to: daniel@density.chem.duke.edu
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 17:47:57 -0400 
From: "Scott T. Lillis" <sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Distribution: alt

>	Could someone please recommend some John McLaughlin/Mahavishnu
>Orchestra albums?  

You seem to have missed two of their best.  "Birds of Fire" and "Visions
of an Emerald Beyond" are excellent.  From what I've seen of your tastes
I would go out and get "Visions.." as soon as possible.


John has a good point about "Visions" and "Birds".  Though visions isn't
full orchestra, it has great string arrangements with Jean-Luc Ponte and
a string trio to back him up.  It also has some good jazz with that
fusion edge to it.  I would reccomend "Birds of Fire" to anyone because
Mahavishu is nothing short of amazing on guitar in this album.  It has
the sound of a small, tight ensemble (since it's five piece), but the
rhythm is certainly very rich.  If  you really like "Apocalypse",  there
is a song on "Birds" called Hope that is reminescent of parts of Vision
is a Naked Sword.

As for Shakti and Trilok Gurtu& Kai Eckhardt, McLaughlin really seems to
interact well with eastern musicians and music.  I would like to hear
more of this kind of thing.  I haven't ever listened to "Inner Mounting
Flame", "My goals Beyond", or Hussians "Making Music".  I would like to
know more about them if you have any comments.

Scott Lillis
sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu
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