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From: georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos)
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:32:39 GMT

In article <22034@venera.isi.edu>, allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) writes:
|> sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby) writes:
|> > I bet I could too, (for a few seconds, anyway) if I was mashing a huge
|> > chainring and drafting an 18 wheeler......  Seems like he could all but sit
|> > back and watch the scenery go by without pedalling....!
|> 
|> If you think you can beat Secrest, either paced or unpaced for anywhere from
|> two to eight days, then why don't you give it a try.  He currently holds
|> the unpaced cross continental record of under eight days.  (unpaced)
|> 
|> Dennis Allard
|> allard@isi.edu


I heatily agree, Mr. Bixby...  Mike has always been most eager for people
to shoot for his records.  By all means, sit back and watch the scenery
go by.  You might first check yourself to see how long it takes you to
ride 500 miles, though--if you have the legs and heart to do it in under
24 hours, maybe you have what it takes to go after a couple of them.  After
that one's notched, give his transcontinental (unpaced, solo, supported)
record a go: 7 days, 23 hours, 45 minutes.  Lots of scenery there!
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From: mprime@titanium.Berkeley.EDU (Michael B. Prime)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: airplanes and bicycles
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:10:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <> henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss) writes:
>In article <> karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath) writes:
>>
>>Just one question about this USCF membership and free bike transport
>>on airlines.  Some, or all airlines seem  to make the restriction
>>that you must be traveling to a USCF or similar race for your bike to 
>>travel for free.  
>
>Another question:  What's the membership fee for USCF?  With
>the RT bike transport fee at $90, it might be worth it to
>join.
>
>Of course, this begins to look like abuse of a privilege
>

USCF "membership," i.e., a racing liscense, is $32. You are supposed to be
going to a USCF race but they haven't ever asked me. I was told once by
someone at the USCF that if United had a problem with there being no race
where you were going to call the USCF and they would tell United there
was one.
I don't think this is abusing the privilege, I hope United is
enjoying the increased patronage I'm sure they are getting. Oh, and you
also get a %5 discount off your ticket, or something like that.

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Another flame on Nashbar, & PLEASE help me with my hubs!
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:17:02 GMT

In <3841@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:

>	As you may remember, I recently purchased a new MTB wheelset from 
>Nashbar.  
>	My problem is this:  on page 44 of catalog number 83, where the wheels
>are listed, the description reads:  Rear hub width 135mm, Nashbar rear 130mm
>width.  Since my new hubs are NOT Nashbar brand hubs, but SHIMANO, I expected
>my rear hub spacing to be 135mm.  It turns out that they sent me a rear hub
>with 130mm spacing.  Needless to say, AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Always watch out with Nashbar's wheel specials.  From what I've seen
there is always a reason the wheels are cheap -- usually old models.
Everybody used to make 130mm hubs before 135mm became popular, and
they probably still make them for replacements on older bikes.  But
most people looking for new wheels probably want 135mm.  So Nashbar
marks down their old inventory to move it out.  Usually the catalog
blurb tells you what's wrong with the wheels, but the MTB wheels in
Cat. 83 aren't listed as being narrower hubs.  I'd complain.

On the other hand, I've had good luck with Nashbar customer service
over the years, so you might get a reasonable return worked out.  Most
recently Nashbar sent me a postcard recalling the Profile Breeze bars
on my commuting/touring hybrid.  Since I'm getting ready for a six-day
charity ride across Washington state next month, I didn't want to give
up the bars for the two or more weeks Nashbar estimated.  No problem
-- they sent me the replacement Aero II bars next-day air without
charging for shipping, and I didn't send in the recalled bars until
the new ones were installed.  They put the new bars on my credit card
and credited me when the old bars got there.  No days lost, and no
cash out of my pocket.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Weber)
Subject: Re: Tire Help (Mtb)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:28:47 GMT
Keywords: Tire help needed (mtb)

ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:

>The question is what to buy. I think I've narrowed it down to three tires:

>1 2.2 Panaracer Dart s.c. 
>2 2.35 Ritchey Zmax WCS
>3 2.5 Specialized

>I've got a 2.2 smoke on back, which I had up front for a bit and liked it
>there (so mabey thats a consiteration also).  I'm leaning to the Ritchey,

I have a Smoke 2.1 on the front and a Specialized Cannible 2.2 on the
back and like it very much.  The Cannible kicks off the mud and dirt 
very well, and has good climbing traction on loose ground.

Just an opinion.

Jason Weber
weber@cerl.cecer.army.mil | If an armpit is a pit under the arm, what's a
jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | cockpit???????
From: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: opinions on recumbent
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:41:30 EST
Reply-To: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

In message: <258#melpar.UUCP> toppin@melpar.UUCP (Doug Toppin) asks
for opinions on recumbents.

I have been riding a Linear recumbent for the past year and I love it.
I wouldn't ride any other kind of road bike any more for except for
maybe short trips.  You can't beat a recumbent for comfort.  Long rides
are a pleasure.  Some models equipped with a faring are also faster than
normal road bikes if you are into speed.  There are also tandem
recumbents available.

I highly recommend a subscription to the Recumbent Cyclist magazine 
before you buy.  The reviews are excellent for understanding the pros
and cons of various models.  Issue #8 is a buyers guide with addresses
of most manufacturers.  Here is the address.

The Recumbent Bicycle Club of America/Recumbent Cyclist Magazine
17650-B6-140th Ave. SE, Suite 341
Renton, WA 98058  USA

Subscriptions are US$20/year Bulk or US$25/year First Class,
in the U.S.A., and US$30/year elsewhere. Sample issue and info pack $5.

 * DeLuxe2/386 1.25 #5606 + My bike's not broken.  Its just a little 'bent.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan)
Subject: Re: Tour de France:  Andy Hampsten?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:29:37 GMT

HATS OFF TO ANDY!!!!!  SEE YOU ON THE PODIUM IN PARIS!!!!!

As a side note......
Did anyone out there notice Andy's bike?
I could swear it looked like that he was using the STI brake/shift lever for 
the rear, but he had a standard aero brake lever for the front.....
If anyone has the ESPN coverage on tape, maybe you could confirm what I think
I saw....it just looked kinda strange....

If what I saw is true, does anyone have an opinion why he set up his bike 
that way.....just wondering......

Shadan

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: Marlborough Circuit Race announcement.
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:03:28 GMT

The Boston Road Club Presents:

The Marlborough Circuit Race
In Marlborough Mass.  
Take 495 North from the Mass Pike to 20 West.  Then turn left
on Ames St.  

At least $1200 in cash, premes and prizes
The course is a fast 3.1 mile loop with 300 feet of climbing
per lap.  The finish is at the top of the hill this year.
This is the same course that was used for the Eastern Collegiat
Championships last year. 

Sat Aug 22 (pre reg by aug 15)
Cat	Field limit	distance	Time 	Prize   
3		125	50		9:00	$200	
Masters		100	40		11:15	$200	
5&Public	50	30		1:30	medals	
4		100	40		3:00	$100	

Sat Aug 29	(Pre reg by Aug 22)
Cat	Field limit	distance	Time 	Prize		
5&Public	50	22		9:00	medals
Jr		50	37		10:00	$100	
W 1,2,3		100	37		11:45	$100	
W4 & W Public	50	22		1:30	medals	
1,2,3		125	59		2:45	$500    
Entry fee $11 for all races
Add $5.00 for late fee.  Add $5.00 for unattatched USCF racers
All riders must wear helmets.  No tri bars.  Jerseys must
cover the shoulder.  

Send Check and Standard release form to 
John Pappenheimer 
281 Faneuil St.
Brighton, MA 02135
(617) 332-1117
Make Checks payable to The Boston Road Club
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:04:25 GMT

srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (elm) writes:

>Funny, I thought speed limits reflected the autocratic feifdom of Queen Jean
>over the NCC. Anyone ever heard of bike path speed limits anywhere else
>on the planet?  If you had to guess one city in the world that would have such
>a thing, wouldn't it just be Ottawa though?

>Stephen.

Actually Calgary has 20 km/hr speed limits on their paths (after a pedestrian 
was killed by a cyclist and numerous injuries to both pedestrians and cyclists) 
and Edmonton is looking at doing the same here.

Robert Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton Alberta
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18092 sci.med:14253
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:05:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: VOILA.NICKH.92Jul22080519
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Jul21.211806.21416@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes:

   I went on a 290 km (180 mi) cycle-camping tour on the weekend, and now,
   two days later, the ring and pinky fingers on my left hand are still
   slightly numb and I'm still experiencing weakness in my whole hand.   
   The doctor says it's the same nerve that gets hit when you wack your 
   funny bone, and that the feeling will return in a week to 10 days.   
   But what about the power?   I can't fret a barre chord on my guitar anymore!

Yes, I've had exactly the same problem, in both hands, after cycling
centuries and week-long tours. My doctor also said it was the nerve in
the elbow, the same one associated with the funny bone (can't remember
what he called it). You can feel the nerve in the groove in the
inside-back of the elbow (i.e. with your arm bent and your palm facing
upwards, it's underneath your elbow beside the bony lump that is
nearest to you. If you poke around in there it feels a bit weird). In
my case the symptoms were quite severe: I couldn't straighten those
fingers at all for several days. Don't worry about it. Full control
and power comes back in about a week.

Nick
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Suspension question
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:07:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul27.023840.29619@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.usask.ca writes:
>
>Anyone have any horror stories or interesting knowledge on
>suspension stems, suspension forks, or suspension bikes?
>Feel free to spout.

Not a horror story at all: saw a Diamondback the other day.
It was the new top-of-the-line suspension model. The rider
had struck a brick divider wall at high speed. The front wheel
was perfectly true without a mark on it. The fork was straight
as an arrow. But the head tube was tilted down about 40 extra degrees,
the top tube was broken off and the down tube was mashed in.

Those babies are _strong_!


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mmf@evolving.com (Mark Frazier)
Subject: Re: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:50:22 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger) writes:
: In article <1992Jul21.214930.8039@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
: 
: >    A pawl seems to be sticking intermittently on my rear SunTour 600 cluster.
: >   I figured leaving it in a bucket of white gas with some moderate agitation
: >   would clean up the problem.
: >    I just wanted to get some quick international feedback on the advisability
: >   of this idea.
: 
: Dumb. Citrasolve cleans as well as white gas without the health risk
: or environmental impact.

Joe's right. Citra-solve can clean my gummed up saw blade in less than
ten minutes. I also use it to de-grease my engines. Works great and smells
a lot better than gas!


MMF
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa)
Subject: MTB racing
Originator: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:44:26 GMT

On a similar note to a recent post, how many hours/km a week does
one need to train to be competitive at novic/sport class MTB racing?
As well, do MTB racers do a fair bit of road training?  I have found
precious little in the way of literature that covers MTB racing 
extensively.  As well, how much $$$ does an average season of MTB racing
(4 times a month) in terms of entries, equipment replacement (chains, tires?)

I have been riding both on/off road for about 2 years now, between 200-
300 km a week.  As a teenager, I had a relatively successful motocross
'career,' which makes bike handling seem like a breeze, but in no way 
helps with a mountain bike engine :'))

Any comments/info would be greatly appreciated.


Gianpaolo Panusa
jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: Amazing Stories
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:06:23 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <Bs94It.CBA@fulcrum.bt.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>In article <rpj.712545659@fir> tp923021@fir.canberra.edu.au (Ben Elliston) writes:
>>him .. armed with bloody nunchuckers!  "My God!", I thought!
>
>Ummmm, what's a nunchucker?

I think he means nun-chucks, the martial arts weapon with two pieces of wood
held together by a short chain.  Usually looks like someone cut two police
blackjacks in half, threw away the T-shaped piece, then chained the other
two pieces together at the cuts.  Can be pretty nasty.

I think I like the term "nunchuckers" better though! :-)

Ken
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:59:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Touring bicycles -- an extinct breed?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, terst1+@pitt.edu (Timothy E. Rapp) writes:

> Taken from Bicycling Magazine (March 1992) 1992 Buyer's Guide:
> 
> Touring Bikes:
> 
> Giant Brownstone	$300
> Giant Alondra		$450

Hmmm, does Giant no longer make the "Excursion"?  This was the ultimate hybrid-
turned tourer with every conceivable gizmo - including a generator set -
included.  It was something like $700 or $800, I think.

I decided more of a road style touring bike was what I wanted, and am very
happy with my Trek 520.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Upper Back/Neck pain - Update II
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:43:01 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers

It's been 17 days since this thing started for me, and I'm happy to report
that I feel MUCH better now.

The sharp 'knitting needle pain' has been replaced by a slight itching
sensation.

I've been seeing my physical therapist twice a week for a total of three
treatments that consist of:

	1. Heat -- aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
	2. Ultra-sound with electronic muscle stimulation.
	3. Electro-therapy -- just a bit of current to relax the muscles
	4. Deep massage therapy
	5. Stretching/strengthening exercises
	6. Ice

I still feel a bit stiff, but I was able to take my normal commute ride for
the first time in two weeks today. The stiffness/minor pain did not increase
as a result and I feel like I've made significant progress. My massage
therapist told me yesterday that the tightness in my shoulder that caused
this whole mess shows marked improvement.

I've learned several things from this experience:

	1. Dress warmly when riding in a cold 'drizzle'. Be prepared for
	   unseasonable weather. I feel that this was a contributing
	   factor.
	2. Stretch well before any ride, but especially before a major
	   ride. (No s**t!)
	3. Stretch DURING the ride. I've learned a few things I can do
	   while riding to keep my neck and shoulders loose.
	4. Pay attention to your position on the bike. Change it often.
	   In this particular case, I allowed by shoulder blades to pinch
	   back while holding my head up for long periods. I need to think
	   about keeping my shoulders rolled more forward.
	5. Upper body strength can make riding more comfortable.

I'm also going to try to climb with my hands on the hoods more. My normal
position is on top of the bars. I've noticed that pulling on the bars with
my palms flat on top tends to force my body forward/shoulders back. Riding
with palms pointing inward and further apart seems to alleviate this, al-
though this may be due to me being more conscious of my position.

The bottom line is that my treatment seems to be working, even though it
may be several weeks before I'm entirely back to normal. At least I'm back
on the bike. I think I might even try an easy climb this weekend.

Thanks to all who have posted and emailed me their advice and support. Kind of
like electronic Get Well cards. [:)

Gary

-- 
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408/432-5960                          sentencing.
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From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivers who just miss
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:02:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: col.1992Jul30.160229.3955
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

normdec@VNET.IBM.COM (Norm deCarteret 813-878-3994, TL 438) writes:
> In Florida, it's easy to identify two other driver types who nearly put
> a crease on you, for different reasons.  The hostiles and the old folks.
> The hostiles apparently want to scare or impress you.  You can tell it's
> intentional because they're watching to see your reaction in the rear
> view mirror;  they'll often throw a bird at you as well.  If you throw
> the bird first, they'll flip out and pull over to the side and reach for
> the gun rack.  Beauts.  The old folks don't even see you...they're so.
> scared of the centerline and oncoming traffic they're just hugging the
> right edge.  One I caught up with at the next traffic light couldn't
> even hear me ("You'll have to speak up, I'm not wearing my hearing aid")
> until I shouted, then he claimed I was in the middle of the road.
> It was apparent he never saw me, didn't remember a cyclist just a block
> before.  The only thing you can do always bike as though every car is
> going to take the worst possible action with respect to you.  Norm




    I agree with Norm . We can rant and rave about automobiles but they
do own the road. Not in the legal sense, since we supposedly have rights,
but in the cultural sense. The drivers and the police do not view the
cyclists as legitimate transportation. Therefore, if I'm going to ride
on THEIR ROAD, I'm going to take the attitude that any one of them might
decide to stomp on me at any instant. 

    You may think that this is a "wimp response" but I've got over 50,000
miles of cycling under my pedals and I can still recall most of the 
"incidents" that I've had with cars. ( Unfortunately, the incident rate seems
to be going up, not down :-(  ).

    Finally, for every serious cyclist who obeys all the traffic laws there
are fifty who are riding against traffic on the wrong side of the road, 
ignoring red lights and stops signs and generally making nuisances of 
themselves ( and infuriating drivers as a consequence ). 

    Until we, the cycling community, grow up and become responsible users
of the roads, we will always retain the status of third class citizens
and we should treat every car as a threat.

                                                         Arnie

 
-- 
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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bike Police
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:11:16 GMT

From the Palo Alto "Times Tribune"

An alert police officer riding a mountain bike in downtown Palo Alto
arrested three teenagers who had, minutes before, stolen expensive
jackets from Stanford University's Angell Field Track House.

The teenagers from East Palo Alto were seemingly browsing at the Track
House store around 6 p.m. Monday, said Stanford police Sgt. Del Bandy.
They were admiring $195.95 Stanford leather jackets with a new red and
black design on display.  The boys -- age 13, 14 and 15 -- put the
jackets on under their own jackets and walked out of the sports store
undetected, he said.  They got on their bikes and headed across campus
toward Palo Alto.  Track House employees quickly noticed the jackets
were missing and called police.

While on bike patrol, Palo Alto officer Dana de la Rocha was notified
by radio about the suspects and soon after arrested them when they
entered downtown.  The juveniles were charged with burglary and
possession of stolen property.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

This reminds me that Palo Alto is still a pleasantly small town.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: gt3930b@prism.gatech.EDU (NICHOLS,STEVEN MALCOLM)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: repair kits
Keywords: tools to bring on the road, touring
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:07:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I've finally started planning my upcoming bike tour.  I'm going to be out
for two weeks, the longest tour I've done, and got to thinking about 
what to bring in the way of tools/repair kit.  When I go out for "a ride", 
I bring:
	pump
	1 spare tube
	patch kit
	2 tire levers
	chain rivet remover
	4, 5, 6 mm Allen wrenches
	8, 9, 10 mm socket wrenches
	6" crescent wrench
	spoke wrench
	bit of duct tape (to boot a ripped tire)
	$0.25 to make a phone call

In the past, I've used this for touring, though this time I'll probably
also bring a spare tire, extra tubes, and perhaps a pair of vice grips 
and some wire.  I figure I can use a swiss army knife for anything that
requires a screw driver.  An obvious weak spot is if I broke a spoke on
the freewheel side. 

Anyway, I wonder what tools other rec.bicyclists carry on tours (or on
everyday rides for that matter)?  Is there any tool I haven't listed that
you believe is essential?  What about not so obvious things for makeshift
repairs (like the wire and duct tape)?  E-mail will be fine, I'll summarize
tools by popularity and any good antecdotes.

Steve Nichols
gt3930b@hydra.gatech.edu