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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Title of "Short-short" story collection?
Keywords: Asimov, 100 short-short stories
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 17:57:25 GMT

I once saw a book edited by Asimov and someone else, titled something
like "100 Great Science Fiction Short-Short Stories".  In order to find
this book, it would help to know a) both the editors, and b) the exact
wording of the title.  If you know this book, please reply.  Also, does
anyone know if it is still in print?

Paul Ciszek                      No nation was ever drunk when wine
                                 was cheap.
pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu                            --Thomas Jefferson
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Subject: Re: Niven
From: pjhst10+@pitt.edu (Peter   J Hill)
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:09:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I have looked in fifteen + bookstores in Pittsburgh for Niven's books, but
none of them had any.  What is the deal?  Has anyone else noted a lack
of his books in the stores?

pjhst10+@pitt.edu

P.S.  Many people have been refering to Alien 3 as A4.  There has yet
to be an A4.  Also, my own point of view, yes Ripley was the main
character in the Alien stories, but the movie is called Alien, not
Ripley.  You ask, how can the make an Alien 4, simple, the get a new
plot and new characters.  Wouldn't it be more interesting if A4 was
not a movie about an Alien stalking a crew of a ship or a base, and
only two or three people surviving.  The need a new story.


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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Jack the Bodiless: Where is it?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:33:29 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1992Dec31.182337.1987@pony.Ingres.COM> bobm@Ingres.COM (Bob McQueer) writes:
>I DO NOT buy hardcover).  I suppose the fact that DM is due out in May means
>they will FINALLY release JtB in paperback.


	According to Advance Comics, JtB'll be available in paperback in March.
-- 
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From: write@eff.org (Glen Cox)
Subject: Attanasio (was Re: Auto-buy lists)
Originator: write@eff.org
Keywords: tigana
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:36:48 GMT

Alan Carter lists his "auto-buys":

>A A Attanasio     (I forgive him for Wyvern.)

Funny.  I think WYVERN is Attanasio's best book.  I, on the other hand,
have to forgive him for HUNTING THE GHOST DANCER which I have tried a 
half a dozen times to read, and just cannot get interested in.

glen

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From: iqv@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: bujold and ellison q's
Date: 26 Dec 92 14:31:28 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

2 q's


#1)  Is "Vor Game" part of a series?  If it is, what's the order for the
series, and will it spoil it if I read "Vor Game"  First?

#2)  can anyone tell me what's up with borderlands press and City on the Edge 
of Forever, the tell-all script book by Ellison.  I'm deperate to get this
book, but I'm getting scared I won't be able to.

				thanks    
						david sebba
From: john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Anarchy in S.F.
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:15:28
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz's message of 23 Dec 92 09:19:45 GMT+12

>>>>> On 23 Dec 92 09:19:45 GMT+12, alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) said:

Ross> L. Neil Smith has written a series of novels set in an alternate
Ross> world in which the US (it's called the North American
Ross> Confederacy there) turned to
Ross> anarchy/libertarianism/whateveryouwanttocallit. They're a lot of
Ross> fun to read, even for someone (e.g. me) who doesn't believe the
Ross> premise for a moment.

Lots o fun, and lots o fun to imagine what it would be like to live
there.  Sigh...

Ross> The titles I know of are :

Ross>    The Probability Broach
Ross>    The Venus Belt
Ross>    The Nagasaki Vector

The Gallatin Divergence
Tom Paine Maru
Brightsuit MacBear
Taflak Lysandra

The Wardove (sorta the same universe)

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From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Political Correctness + Sci-fi
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:48:13 GMT

 Some brief notes on PC (politically correct, not personal computer):
     1) The political views of an author are irrelevant to the merit of the 
work. To believe otherwise is to fall prey to the ad hominem fallacy (the 
fallacy is that x is false or bad, because x was said or written by A and A has
a bad character, incorrect views, etc.). Of course, an authors political views 
can color his/her/its work.
     2) Literature should be judged on its literary merits and not on the basis
on how well it conforms to the political or moral ideology of the day. This 
applies whether the oppressing ideology is the excessive moralizing of the 
right wing or the excessive moralizing of the left wing. Arguments can be 
provided for this position, upon request.
     3) Sci-fi, as a genre, tends to be very non-PC. Complaining that Sci-Fi is
non-PC is like complaining that war novels are not pacifistic enough or that 
romance novels contain to much romance.
     4) the PC dogma is internally inconsistent and oppressive, even by its own
lights, and hence morally sensible individuals will not employ its tenets to 
judge others.
     5) If one must judge works on their PCness, one should be fair and 
consider the time period in which the author was writing in. After all, an 
author that would seem to be a stodgy old conservative today may well have been
a radical in his/her/its time.

Michael
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:55:49 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <Bzq85G.2w9@visix.com>
linda@visix.com (Linda Thomas) writes:
 
>
>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 92 02:38:14 EST, YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu said:
>
>	YANJUNA> Issac Asmiov
>	YANJUNA> James Tiptree Jr. (Again, we can always hope)
>
>I don't think you're likely to see much out of either of these.  Didn't
>Asimov die recently?  And Tiptree died several years ago, I think.  We will
>miss them all...
>
 
   I posted some dead authors, and I thought I put some comments besides their
names, but at least in the case of Issac Asimov, I guess I forgot.
   Considering they found half a dozen or so short stories by Alice Sheldon
(Tiptree), a novel by Sturgeon, and various novels by Dick after their deaths,
I'm hoping there will be something overlooked (unfinished writing, hell,
even an outline for a planned story -- though there is always a possilbility
that these unfinished stories may be dogs) in their papers.
   On a related note, I understand the fifth segment of _Forward the Foundation
will not be published, since Asimov did not write it before his death.  I hope
if the outline of it exists, no matter how rough, they include it in the book
as an appendix.  (I also hope they put in the outline AS IS, without some
hack fleshing it out.)
                      Junsok Yang
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From: pbrewer@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Philip Brewer)
Subject: Accident prone becomes planetary scout--name this story
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:00:57 GMT

I've been unable to find a science fiction short story that I read and
enjoyed years ago.  I don't remember the title, so if you remember it
I'd like to learn the title, author, and any anthology you know of that
includes it.

The description below includes spoilers for the story.

The hero is an accident prone individual.  He is about ready to give up
on himself as a failure in life when he is approached to become a
planetary scout.  He's dubious about the idea, but they convince him
that they need people just like: typical colonists are misfits who have
done poorly in their life and they need to make sure that even they can
survive before they open a planet to colonists.

So, he becomes a colonist and is making an effort to turn his life
around, with some success.  Then he discovers that he has been giving
shoddy equipment.  He contacts the agency that provided it, which admits
that his equipment isn't the best, but that's typical of what colonists
have to deal with.  Part of the test.

The hero is just finally getting things down when his robot begins to
break things.  Again he asks, and sure enough: not all colonists are as
successful as he at turning their life around.  The robot has been
programmed to make the mistakes that he could have been expected to.

I don't remember the rest of it quite as well (why I want to re-read it)
but it involves discovering some possibly intelligent life forms and
having the robot botch up his attempts to contact them.

Anybody recognize the story?  Please post or email me.  If I get a
definite answer I'll post a follow up with the title, author, and all
the anthologies I hear about.

-- 
Philip Brewer                   pbrewer@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Motorola Urbana Design Center   ...!uiucuxc!udc!pbrewer
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From: phatch@solstice.slc.mentorg.com (Phill Hatch (CONTRACTOR Documentation))
Subject: Re: Name this book.......*pleeezze!*
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp.,  Murray, Utah
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:10:34 GMT

In article <1h418gINNj9m@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, saruman@cats.ucsc.edu (Nicholas Patrick Popoff) writes:
> 
> 
> 	So now Im hoping that someone out there has read it.  Heres the basic
> story, as I remember it:
> 	Futuristic military type deal, flashback to "starship troopers" with
> people doing combat drops out of spaceships.  But the deal is that the
> drops are basically suicide, and a troop only has to do one or two before
> they get released.  Well, the main character gets lost in the paperwork or
> something, and they keep on droping him and dropping him and he keeps on
> coming back.  As i understand it, the book is funny, and probably written
> in the first person.  
> 	Other than this, I have no idea.  It could be brand new, it could
> be out of print.
> 
> Pleeeze tellmetellmetellme!
> -nick

there is a short story with a similar theme and style called
"If the Red Slayer" by Robert Sheckley, anthologized in _Store of Infinity_
by Robert Sheckley.  There is a difference though, this story has them
involved in trench warfare because technology has made other attacks
ineffective.  So they aren't dropping out of starships.  Great story.

Phil
From: ANTHONYS@ucrvm2.BITNET ("Anthony R. Sanchez")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Dickson Works
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:15:28 GMT


   I just saw someone posting all the books of the Childe/Dorsai series.  The
last one written is YOUNG BLEYS.  I have followed the series closely, but I
haven't read this one yet.  Any comments?  It is very hard to get specific
books here, I have to order them by surface mail, and by the title I wasn't
very excited about buying it.


                             Thanks.
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From: jean@noao.edu (Jean Goodrich)
Subject: Jack the Bodiless: Where is it?
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:06:58 GMT


	Ok. Now I'm gettiing really impatient.
	I haven't seen _Jack the Bodiless_ anywhere.
	Is it really out, or are you guys pullin'
	my leg? Is it hardback (of course) or paper?
	Is it out in the US, or just the rest of the
	world, or what?

	jean

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From: bjones@denitqm.uswest.com (Brent Jones)
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:43:24 GMT

In article <8235@lib.tmc.edu>, drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David
Gutierrez) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec28.101746.16258@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by
> prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr) writes:
> > While you make some good points (and as we stray farther afield here...)
> > I think you are missing a fundamental point about cannon versus
> > non-cannon works
> 
> What is this literary cannon I keep reading about? Is it the one Jules Verne
> invented to fire a projectile to the Moon? Maybe it's the one Wells' Martians
> used to invade the Earth.
> 
> David Gutierrez
> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Cannon" is a suppressed, non-canon spelling of "canon."  Should it 
be considered a lesser word just because it is not part of the canon? :-)

--
Brent Jones, Lead Tech. Editor, U S WEST IT, bjones@denitqm.uswest.com
"of beautiful weeds that cannot hide from the farmer and helplessly have 
to watch the shadow of his simian stoop leave mangled flowers in its wake, 
as the monstrous darkness approaches."--V. Nabokov _Signs and Symbols_
From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Niven/Mote in God's Eye
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:04:24 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu writes:

> On the advice of several individuals here, I recently
> finished my first Niven novel - The Mote in God's Eye.
> I was highly impressed with the book.  It's been one of those
> things I've been meaning to get around to reading for a long
> time.  Anyway, can anyone suggest other Niven novels I might
> want to check out?

Watch yourself, here.  _The Mote in God's Eye_ is by Larry Niven and 
Jerry Pournelle.  I think that Niven's stuff is best when he works with 
Pournelle (and Barnes), such as in _Lucifer's Hammer_ or _The Legacy of 
Hereot_.


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From: rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Subject: Re: David Eddings: The Sapphire Rose
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:02:08 EST
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo

Logic check!

>I think Edding's popularity is getting to his publisher or something.
>If they keep this up, no one is going to ever want another one of his
>books.
                       --Scott McMahan

"No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded."
                       --Yogi Berra

-- 
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                "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
                                          --Jim Dickinson
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Science Fiction
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:44:02 GMT
Organization: IR/PS at UC San Diego
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In article <bjones-201292090218@130.13.26.204> bjones@denitqm.uswest.com (Brent
Jones) writes:

>Try _Snow Crash_ by, and I'm really reachin' for the name here,
>Neil Williamson? Fairly recent book. If I made a hash out of the 
>name, feel free to jump all over me and provide the correct one.
>
>Not too bad a book in places, too.

Neal Stephenson wrote SNOW CRASH.  Good book, too.  As are his others
(which are all but impossible to find, unfortunately.)

-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Niven/Mote in God's Eye
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:05:56 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

ssammy@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul Sammy 4th Year iE/CES) writes:

>  You *must* read the Integral Trees, and the followups.

I thought _Integral Trees_ was good, but _Smoke Ring_ I found 
exceptionally boring.

>  Also Lucifers (sp?) Hammer, which is the best invasion from
>  space books ever.

_Lucifer's Hammer_ was a great novel, but it didn't have much to do with 
interstellar invasion.  Maybe you're thinking of _Footfall_ (which was 
also quite good).

_Lucifer's Hammer_ and _Footfall_ are, though, Niven and Pournelle books, 
not only Niven books.  If you're interested in Niven-only books, 
recommend _Ringworld_, for criminy's sake.


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From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Heroic Fantasy: Jordan vs Williams
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:07:37 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Summary: Which is the BETTER series???

Ok, I guess I'm going to start a wasp's nest with this one. I only have
a little time this break, and want to read either the two books in 
William's fantasy trilogy ( _The_DragonBone_Chair_ and _Stone_of_Farwell_ ) 
or try to finish 2 to 3 books or Jordan's _Wheel_Of_Time_ epic. 

So which one is better? From a quick random read, it seems that Williams
is more eloquent and reads better, while Jordan's prose is more clumsy.
( This is from taking a quick glance at both of the first novels in their
respective series.. ) I'm not really expecting anything much new from
either of them, but would just like a good, rip-roaring fantasy read.
Which one did you prefer, if you digested both?

Chua
+==+


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From: dagibbs@quantum.on.ca (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Auto-buy lists
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:54:48 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software Systems
Keywords: tigana

Yet another auto-buy lists:

(Mine):

Charles deLint!
Harlan Ellison,
Guy Gavriel Kay,
Cordwainer Smith (not new stuff, but still looking for any I don't have)
Stephen Brust
Terry Pratchet
C.S. Friedman

-David
(dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com)
From: jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Anne Mc Caffrey and computer interfaces
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:56:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec22.094844.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu w
rites:
>I've just been reading _Crystal Line_ by Anne Mc Caffrey (haven't finished
>it; there will probably be another post when I do) and there's one thing I
>noticed that drives me nuts about all her books.
>Why is everyone on a DOS-type system?
>I've noticed that none of the computers in her books have a GUI-type inter-
>face, which seems to me to be an anachronism.  I work for a computer company,
>and GUI interfaces have become the standard;  I know very few IBMers who
>use DOS anymore.  It seems to me that, especially with as sophisticated a
>voice interface as her computers have, they would not need the clumsy DOS
>interface.

The problem with a GUI interface is generally speed and ease of programming,
plus memory use.  I think that in many cases where multiple interactions may
be performed on one terminal where speed is of the essence, command-type
interfaces will persist, even if only mixed with GUI front ends.  In the
information business, most people have stuck closely to the comand-type
interface, simply because it is simpler, and you have to enter your terms
anyway.
Plus, soft science fiction people tend to stick with the technology they are
used to.
-- 
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"The toad beneath the harrow knows
Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:44:31 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Dec28.101746.16258@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr):
> While you make some good points (and as we stray farther afield here...)
> I think you are missing a fundamental point about cannon versus
> non-cannon works

Caliber?

-- 
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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
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From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: SF + PC
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:38:19 GMT

1. Merit
     Merit is in fact relative to a particular literary theory. If you select 
the books you consider to have merit on the basis of how much you enjoy them, 
and the authors preconceptions affect your enjoyment, then the preconceptions 
would be relevant. Philosophy of literature is a rather mudled business, but 
merit seems to involve such factors such as the degree to which the book 
addresses important, if not timeless, issues of the human condition. The power 
to move people and to touch on something eternal seems important in all art. 
Ill admit that my specialities are metaphysics (the philosophic variety, not 
channeling, crystal healing etc.) and political philosophy, so Im not an expert
here.

2. Political Views and Merit
     True, the political views of an author color the work (for good or bad). 
For example, Heinleins books are rife with his politics, while the Gateway to 
Womens country undoubtably reflects the authors political views.  However, 
these views may or may not affect the merit. I have a rather odd mix of 
political views that conflict with some of those of Heinlein, Edgar Rice 
Burroughs, various feminist sci-fi writers, and others, but I find merit in 
their works and I am able to lay aside my prejudices and ideologies when 
assessing merit (to a large degree-Im only human).

More to follow  tomorrow
Michael

I can write what I damn well please. If you dont like it, dont read it.
     -how to respond to the censors.
From: DCHANG@uhccmvs.BITNET (Doreen Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Lois McMasters Bujold
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:08:00 GMT


     I've been reading the Miles Vorkosigan series by Lois McMasters Bujold
and hoped to find some discussion of this author's work here.  Does anyone
have any biographical background on her such as age, nationality, or ethnicity?
 I'm trying to decide how seriously I want to take her because while she seems
to be quite an irrespressible quipster, she also consistently raises thought-
provoking issues.  I can't help wondering, in light of the Heinlein discussion,
 just how she will be viewed in decades to come when her basic premises are
no longer necessarily "p.c."  As a storyteller, I think she has great pacing.
Anybody else have any druthers about this author?
                                                 dchang@uhccmvs.bitnet