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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:54:02 PST
From:         Jonathan Fisher <jfisher@NETXWEST.COM>
Subject:      Re: Words
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

andy,
You seem to be hung up on this facism thing.  I backed off of that
earlier by stating that I exaggerated.  I just don't like Herschenson.

> >> >5)      Off-shore oil drilling.
> >>
> >> If you think your view is worth a few hundred million, go for it.
> >
> >This is an interesting topic let's make a comment.  I quoted Bruce's
> >statement earlier but I'll repeat it because it is funny and sad at
> >the same time.  I guess I mean that I'll paraphrase because again,
> >I had thrown away all of my Bruce stuff since he lost.  "I would like
> >to drive my car to the shore to see the oil wells".
>
> And, I repeat, would Fisher be less disgusted if Hershensohn wanted to
> drill, but didn't want to see the wells?  If not, the quote loses its
> intellectual relevance to the discussion and becomes yet another
> hind-brain appeal.
The quote was funny and sad because it showed that Bruce could care
less about wasting gas.  My point was simply that drilling off the
coast of California is unneccesary.  I don't think that it is facist
to disagree with me.
>
> >I think that the
> >coast of California is one of the most beautiful places in the world.
>
> So do I.  If it's worth so damn much to you, why aren't you willing to
> pay the going rate?  Note that the evil oil companies pay their way;
> why do good people like Fisher object to doing likewise?
Pay the going rate?  Is the cost of gas suppressed by the evil
federal government?

>
> >Instead of drilling, I would like to see a real push for some sort of
> >energy conservation, which Bruce doesn't believe in.
>
> Herschensohn happens to believe in energy conservation, he just
> doesn't see it as moral crusade that justifies most anything.  Does
> that make him a fascist?
I have never seen him say anything positive about energy conservation,
do you have a reference?
>
> >> >6)      Guns into everyone's hands
> >>
> >> Wrong.  He said that people should be allowed to have guns.
> >
> >The difference between our 2 statements is pretty subtle.
>
> Really?  I think people should be allowed to buy pictures of
> consenting naked people.  Fisher thinks that the difference between
> that and FORCING people to buy pictures of consenting naked people is
> "subtle".  Didn't I suggest that Fisher might confuse this sort of
> thing?  (I haven't bought Madonna's "Sex" - have I censored her?)
>
uh, Where did I say FORCE?  Do you deliberately misinterpret my
comments or are you just dumb?

> Fisher can tell us what so evil about uzi-ownership as opposed to some
> other gun; that's his opinion, not Herschensohn.  After all, Fisher
> thought that there was enough of a difference to highlight it.  What?
> There's no difference and he was making a hind-brain appeal?  That's
> consistent with Fisher's hate-response.  And to think that I
> characterized leftists as being hate motivated just a week or so ago.
> It's almost like I'm writing Fisher's messages to make my points....
>
> -andy
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>
look andy, there is a thread for gun ownership.  It's not a subject that
I want to persue.  We disagree.  Leave it alone.

As for your idiotic insults I would think that you would rather spend
your time getting guns into everyone's hands.

Jonathan