HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rcs76179@zach.fit.edu (Adnan Zejnilovic / ADVISOR M. Schneider)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Mujo i Haso (Muja i Hasa bre...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:30:26 GMT
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA


Nikola Malenovic writes :

|evo jedne sale za befenit of our readers.
|
|
|---
stuff deleted...

|"Haso bolan, ajde der reci mi, kako to da ti nadrljash 100 kubika dnevno,
              ^^^^^^^^
|
|ajde reci mi ba, lepo kako ti to radish, i pochni lepo sve iz pochetka"
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          ^^^^
|
|"Prvo Mujo, ja ustanem oko 7, popijem kaficu, prochitam jutarnje novine,
|pojedem slatko, spremim se i poljubim Fatu na izlasku. E onda stignem na
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mozda rahat lokum ili kadaif/baklavu za Bajram ?
|posao, onda malo popricham sa ostalima o tome sta se desilo na politichkom i
 ^^^^^
pos'o
|drushtvenom planu nashe zemlje, pa onda popijemo jednu kaficu. e onda ja
|zasuchem rukave i upalim testeru...."
|
|
|"A UPALISH TESTERU!!!!!!!!!"
|---
|
|
S obzirom da sam Bosancero od glave do pete jako sam se ismijao ovoj sali. Pa
to nije za ljude kako je smijesna. Pravi original mozete naci na kaseti Josipa
Pejakovica koji je puno ljepse prica - PRAVIM bosanskim akcentom. Jos nisam
cuo Bosanca covjeka da kaze "ajde reci mi ba.." to mi malo prev'se zvuci k'o
da kakav Radoje, Sisoje, Aksentije, Bogoljub, Srboljub, Miroljub itd prica.
Da Haso i Mujo imaju takvu spiku u Bosni zajebavala b' ih c'jela carsija sto
govore k'o ljaksofoni  da ne b' mogli nosa promolit na cestu od stida. A tek
stara nana sta b' im urad'la kad b' je srklet ufatio....

Osim, kazem osim ako Haso i Mujo nisu bezbeli oficiri JNA pa dosli
na odsustvo te im mrsko da se koriste nesluzbenim jezikom, posto prav'la
sluzbe nalazu... ne bih sad o tome jer to je vec drugi slucaj. Sala je na mjestu
nema sta samo, spika nije bas autenticna. 

Vozdra,

Adnan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:16:37 EDT
Distribution: world 
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr8.171629.10031@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>
>Actually, since you are on the topic of borders, I guess you don't know that
>Croatia extends into a part of Slovenia.  

Thanks, Joe!  You've just stated in writing the Croatian expansionist
megalomania!  

>It would be better if I had a
>map to illustrate, but here's how it looks:  
>
>A very thin strip (about one foot wide) going from Samobor (roughly) all the
>way to Ljubljana, where the territory opens up to totally engulf Andrej 
>Benedejcic's old home.
>
Well, despite its "humorous" overtone, Joe's description is not that far
away from the mark.  If I remember correctly, one of the Ferbruary issues
of the Ljubljana "Delo" was full of comments regarding the Croatian
government's request for "extraterritorial rights" to a thin strip of 
land that would connect Croatia directly to Italy.   

In one of the winter issues of "Mladina" (I forgot the actual number, but
I can retrieve from the library if I have to) there was an interview with
the second most powerful person of the Croatian Party of Rights.  It ended
with the following statement:  "And, of course, after the war with Serbia
we'll come over to Slovenia to liberate those 14 Croatian villages."

In addition to that I've heard that Croats claim their "glorious homeland"
extends all the way to Celje, i.e., streat into the Slovenian heartland.


>:-)  ;-)
>
>Best regards,
>
>Joe Blazic
>blazic@ecf.toronto.edu

Leave out the smileys, Joe!  In light of the insatiable hunger for foreign 
lands that your quasi-Faschist government has been exhibiting for months,
it seems to me that we'll find ourselves on the opposite sides of the
battle front one day.

Regards,

Andrej


Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:55:08 GMT

In article <92098.184927BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> (Tomislav Grgic) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.111748.8066@isy.liu.se>, predrag@isy.liu.se (Predrag Pucar)
>says:
>>
>>The other kind is those who emigrate d
>>because they were real criminals (Baresic etc...), i.e. killers, nobodies who
>>later joined various terrorist groups, these kind of
>>people shouldn't be welcome home, it is not a loss if they stay in Paraguay or
>>wherever they are.
>
>Your opinion (and that's all it is) of the second group being killers and
>nobodies is false. You have been reading too much 'official Yugoslav
>state propaganda' put out during the existence of the prior Yugoslavia -
>and you have obviously reached the point of confusing fact with fiction.
>If you like believe it, but you'd be foolish to cite that particular opinion
>again.

Just a second here. Baresic was recognized in legal trial in front of
Swedish (not ex-YU!!) court as guilty of first degree murder.
Whatever was the background of his activity, as long as nobody
disprove this -- he is a criminal. That's all.

Regards,

Andrej
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Croatian postage stamps
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 22:42:43 GMT

Please, this is a sincere question which I already asked my Serbian
friend here and got, hm, well I didn't get a clear answer, so I'll
repeat the question on the net. I hope that somebody will answer it.

In article <1992Apr4.111423.10678@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>
>My exact words were "defending western borders of Serbia," which is
>slightly different.  I do not claim that Zagorje has anything
>to do with Serbia.  But Krajina is and will one day officially be incorporated
>in Serbia .  Serbs are able to wait to the results of referendum.  

Ok, let's agree that people's will is the ultimate measure to decide
what to do. If now people of Krajina decide to live in one country
with other Serbs (from what is now Republic of Serbia) let it be so.
But don't you think that such bi-partite country is a bit unstable.
Namely Serbs do not represent the majority of population on the
territories between these two (and I strongly doubt that Muslims or
Croats would vote to be included in Serbia). So what to do? To have
bipartite country? There used to be two Pakistans -- the eastern
became a Bangladesh.

The other possibility is to "make" a bridge between two parts. Through
the centre of Bosnia and Hercegovina -- it does't go; Muslims are
there too strong majority. It remains north and south. On th north
Vukovar, Vinkovci, Bosanski Brod, Pakra, on south are Dubrovnik, Neum,
Mostar, Split, Sibenik. Aren't these names somehow .....

Any answers here please? How do Serbs intend to build up Serbia? In
two pieces? Thanx for answer in advance.

Andrej

PS: I intentionally left out the problem of Sandzak (if those people
decide not to live in Serbia) and not even try to open the Kosovo
case.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:23:36 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr8.170540.9601@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:

>Bla bla bla bla...
>
>Didn't Tesla himself state that he was a Serb from Croatia?
>
No, his cousin Kosanovic stated that he had heard him saying so. 
Kosanovic was well known for making a good job out of this alleged 
statement.  On all other documents he is either Serb from A&H or American
of the Serbian origin. 

>
>Joe

Regards,
Milan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: victor@jezebel.wustl.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Subject: Re: STARCEVIC on Croatian stamps (Was: Croatian postage stamps)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:23:01 GMT


In article <1992Apr8.153656.11578@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> z4m@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Joe) writes:
>Never before I have indulged in a discussion on Soc.Culture.Yugoslavia.
>This newsgroup has slumped into the mud of propaganda warfare that
>parallels the war that devastated Yugoslavia and that threatens the
>very existence of all of us (there is no doubt in my mind that if the
>Yugoslav war spills over the borders of Yugoslavia there won't
>be anybody to talk about its outcome). Many posters on this net
>are a disgrace for the noble cause that USENET serves. 

[long article omitted]

Please distinguish between verbal or symbolic violence and real physical
violence.  If it bothers you so much that Croatia is so "insensitive" as to
put Ante Starcevic's face on a stamp, why are you so quiet about Serbia
putting several thousand artillery rounds into the old town of Dubrovnik?

Regards,
Victor
------
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                   <victor@jezebel.wustl.edu>
Department of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130 USA
Telephone:  USA(314)935-6771, USA(314)727-0749;     FAX: USA(314)727-4963
Sto se ljuckim trudom uzdignulo, Ljuckim znojem jopet se ponavlja. --Medo Pucic
From: benedejc@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: I AM BACK!
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:04:58 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr16.020324.11155@husc3.harvard.edu> benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
>
>I'M OUTTA HERE!
>
>Regards to you all humor-impaired bastards out there,
>
>Andrej

Well, guess what?  I've changed my mind!  Yes, I AM BACK!

TA-DAAAAAAM!  TA-DAAAAAAAM!

Seriously, though, yesterday I was scared shitless by that posting from
some Hrabri Rajcica, or whatever his name is.  But, afterwards, I was
informed that I really don't need to worry about anything 'cause my
name didn't appear anywhere.  Wheeeew!  What a relief!  God, I was 
already expecting an angry phonecall from my father, asking my why am
I pissing off his old friends in Zagreb.  Man, that would be really
hard to explain!  I mean, knowing my dad, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't 
accept the argument that I am doing this just because, "I feel like it!"

But, anyway, everything is cool now, I am back, and all my fans out there
need not worry, because you'll be getting more of my usual stuff.  Only
this time it's gonna be NEW and IMPROVED!  Ha, ha, ha!

Regards,

Andrej
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:11:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.110637.13001@cc.uow.edu.au> cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic) writes:
>
>You are dead wrong!  The independant and internationaly recognised republic
>Bosnia and Herzegovina will be the most democratic country in the region.
>Simply, it can't survive otherwise.

You are damn right here Muris. Though I'm afraid that some people
decided not to survive.

Regards,

Andrej
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: victor@jezebel.wustl.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:55:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.030408.14031@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>>-> "Nedamo ni jedan pedalj hrvatske zemlje."
>>
>>So it is true that there are few Ustashe left on this world.
>
>I guess by that token, then, it follows that indeed "all Croats are Ustasha".(?)

It is a fallacy to accept this premise, though I believe its unquestioned
acceptance was one major goal of certain Serbs in the federal Yugoslav
government.  Since it is so easily swallowed by some of the people on this
net, I concluded they must find such mental baloney quite tasty.  How will
they feel when weak minded people start to believe that all Serbs are
chetniks?

Regards,
Victor

----
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser (314)935-6771  <victor@jezebel.wustl.edu>
Dept. of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO  63130  USA
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:46:21 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr9.065201.8109@wuecl.wustl.edu> victor@jezebel.wustl.edu (Victor Wickerhauser) writes:

>In Webster's Third New International Dictionary (Unabridged, 1966), Tesla is
>described only as "Am. electrician and inventor."  No mention of Serbia.
>
>My NeXT's Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary and Thesaurus (First
>Digital Edition, 1990), says only the following:
>
> tesla \'tes-le\
> [Nikola Tesla]
> :a unit of magnetic flux density in the mks system equivalent to one weber
> per square meter 
>
> Biographical Names:
>
> Tesla \'tes-le\ 1856-1943 Am. (Croatian-born) electrical engineer & inventor
>
>
>Again, no mention of Serbia.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Let us help our informationally impared PhD :

here's a relevant excerpt :


------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: MALENOVI@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Nikola V. Malenovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Who sez Tesla is a Croat?
Date: 4 Apr 92 00:34:52 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

/* Courtesy of SiemNews */

    San Francisco Chronicle, January 28, 1992
    POE BEATS TESLA IN POPULARITY
         Encyclopedia Britannica Instant Research Service provides
    information to buyers of the books; last year it received more
    than 162,000 inquiries, says the New York Times. The 10 leading
    figures in 1991 were, in order of demand: John F. Kennedy, the
    Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., Albert Einstein, Adolf Hitler, Edgar
    Allan Poe, Abraham Lincoln, Jesus Christ, Pablo Picasso, Al Capone
    and Nikola Tesla, a Serbian-American who discovered the rotating
    magnetic field.

---------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------


>Let's compromise: Serbia can claim he was of
>Serbian Orthodox faith and family; Croatia can claim he was born and educated
>in Croatia,

Croatia did not exist in those times. dream on.



> and America can claim that he succeeded through opportunities
>found only here.
>
>Regards,
>Victor


Hm. Tesla succeeded because he was a "fighter". If he was a wuss he would
have given up after first "collission" with Edison and his proofs for
example how his alternating current kills animals and Edison one-way doesn't
(dirty trick, agrh!)


Nik
P.S. get better software. it's a little bit out of date and kinda biased
together with the owner (so the owner does not realize he's living in a
dream...)
--
  Ich bin ein .signature Virus. Mach' mit und kopiere mich in Deine .signature.
--
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Andrej (Was: Croatian postage stamps)
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:40:56 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr13.225801.26275@watdragon.waterloo.edu> abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
>
>Kako gre ze tista? "Andrejev ni nikoli prevec (dovolj)?" Ali pa: "Andrej, to
>najlepse je ime!"-)
>
>APA 

Ko sem bil se v osnovni soli, sta bila poleg mene v nasem razredu se dva
Andreja.  Zato so nas ostali sosolci klicali kar po priimkih.  Seveda so
imeli najprej nekaj tezav z mojim, vendar "vaja dela mojstra."  

Aja, tukaj je pa se ena "pesmica" s katero me je osnovnosolski prijatelj
neprestano zafrkaval:

Andrej, Andrej,
pec podrl,
noter splezal,
jo podprl,
kruha spekel,
babi dal,
baba rekla:
"Tak je prav!"

:-)

Lep pozdrav,

Andrej
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: SLOVENE ATHENS
Keywords: Josip Vidmar, "Kulturni problem slovenstva"
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:20:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr7.212012.10820
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


SLOVENE ATHENS
An Epistle

In the Athens of Slovenia art is
the law of programmed operation with a symbol
the Blood-stained law of progression
back to the haven of the spaceless roots of allegory!
It is expressed in the freely multiplied variables
of the absolute relation:
the Ideal and the Real man!
They recognize themselves
in the metaphor of the lost empire
the latter broke into the allegorical space
of the former as a symbol
Crucified they set out into the hell of
history
They recognized themselves
in a bold affirmation of the cruelty in primal merit
of man's ascent into the worlds of values and categories
And now they return as one above all
as the spirit of the father temepred in time--
amoprhously eternal
Informed about a higher necessity which commands:
Experience of the world shall populate the rediscovered shrine
of Cultures!

In the Athens of Slovenia dwell
the ideal mummies of mortals
from their faces
one cannot discern 
the last features for they turned into stone just before they found
the faces of their inhabitants
and lay in wait on them
Demanding that great men die several times
they chose the citizens of the Athens of Slovenia
from the bodies of geniuses prophets and artists
tempered in death
reconciled in history
In their presence is contained the original sense
of eternal life
which unfolds in the variable coordinates of the world of a
utopian Gallery
of an extra-historical country
an allegory fulfilled
the Blood-stained temple of beauty from which one can
not escape to a place
where it would not recur

Here the artist cannot bear the thought of once again becoming
the victim--
of the spirit or of his creation
or of that which has conceived him here among the walls of
Parliaments, Parthenons and Academies
where, one with his work, he will
create the dreams of the universe
Since this city is built with the awareness of
the Order
an authentic sanctuary of the artist's sole homeland
from where he expelled
the criminal source of physical people
the reprimand of the symbols of their intercourse:
Completed the torso of the one
distinct within!

                        IRWIN, December, 1986
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: evo shale ba., on serbo-croatian
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:32:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16512
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr6.182919.13569@watdragon.waterloo.edu> abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
| In article <1992Apr4.160326.10687@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
| |In article <1992Apr3.093859.15772@cc.uow.edu.au> cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic) writes:
| | 
| | |   Neka se zovu, recimo, Nikola i Dejan.  
| | 
| | Ako govorimo o surovim salama, cini mi se da ste Vi upravo napravili
| | jednu.  Svesno ili nesvesno.  Nikola Gardovic je ime coveka, ako se
| | dobro secam, ispravite me ako gresim,  kojeg su nevini
| 
| Kakorkoli ze obracate besed, g.Stojanovic, g.Cicic je zelel napisati
| samo to, da delajte sale na racun svojih rojakov in svojega naroda. S
| tem se z njim povsem strinjam.
| 
| | | I Haso i Mujo 
| | 
| | ubili samo zato sto je slavio vencanje svoga sina, cini mi se. Da li
| | je Dejan ime njegovoga sina, ili nekoga drugoga iz te povorke? 
| 
| In kaj ima kriminalec, ki je storil ta zlocin veze z narodom? Ker je v
| Michiganu nek idiot ljudi zrl naj po vasem sklepanju pomeni, da so vsi
| Amerikanci ljudozrci? Ali pa ker je neka budala ukazala raketirati
| ljubljanski oddajnik in je bila (kot so kasneje pokazala porocila)
| Srb, da so vsi Srbi krivi tega? Odgovornost za zlocine je stvar
| posameznika in ne naroda. Zal pa moram priznati, da veliko ljudi
| (katerih, se odlocite sami) vse preveckrat obraca smer implikacije.
| 
| Prav lep pozrav in enkrat za vselej razumite ze vendar, daa je
| kriminal delo posameznika in ne naroda!
| 
| Andrej


Hm. jednom za svagda:


ono sto sam ja POSTovo na SCYu je bilo cisto humoristicka sala koja je
starija od mene (koliko se ja secam) ali je efektivno bila objavljena na TVu
prvi put od strane Djure & Co. - na emisiji "Top lista naedralista" jedna od
najlepskih emisija napravljena od strane bosanskih sarajlija. Top lista je
integrirala trenutnu rok scenu sa humorom koji je adresirao nekoliko
"religijskih razlika" (*) i najvise je kritikovao trenutnu vladavinu KPJa i
ostalih politichara. neki put bi adresirali i situaciju u svetu (**)

daklem, to je bila jednostavno sala, i to sto je Muris uzeo
da iskali svoj bes na meni i da me optuzi za neke blesave stvari,
ide na njegov rachun, ne na moj.

nadam se da smo se razjasnili ko sta misli ovde

Nik

(*) - jos uvek se secam malog "gega" gde pored zida stoje Musliman i Srbin i
pishaju, i gledaju jedan drugome i uperili prstom i smeju se jedan na
drugoga..... :-)
(**) - ovoga se secam kada su vadili mine iz crvenog mora..... davno je to
bilo zar ne?
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 19:00:52 EST
From: <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Distribution: na
 <92104.211802BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <16786@plains.NoDak.edu>

In article <16786@plains.NoDak.edu>, malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V.
Malenovic ) says:
>
>In article <92104.211802BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
>writes:
>>Call me human, but I find it difficult to partake in 'fun, joy, songs
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I'll call you Serb-hater, since you hate every serb, regardless of his
>view on current happenings.

You can call me whatever pleases your miniscule brain, but that doesn't
mean you're right. As for "since you hate every serb, regardless of his
view on current happenings" that is an unfounded accusation you decided
to pursue by putting your words into my mouth. And you are a jerk for
doing it.

>You are very hostile individual who answers with offendin' e_mail, when
>*my* intentions were obviously trying to "izmirim" two of us, by putting
>some humor in my mail.

Your humour does not come across as such - it comes across as offending.
As for taking the course of humourizing Croatian figures and events as a
means of reconciliation, I obviously don't find it homourous and I'm
sure other s.c.y.er's don't either. And oh yeah, you're the one who
started with offensive e-mail - maybe you expect people to sit back
and be shat on - kinda like you expect the Croat defense forces in
Croatia not to fire back against an occupying army.

>        But it is not good enough for you - you have to be very hostile. I...
><further bandwidth wasting text deleted)
>"bratski tvoj" Nik

Seriously yours,

Tom Grgic
BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca