HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Pay Range in HK
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:23:00 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

>
>The US national average salary for fresh CS grads in 1992 was about
>32K (forgot which magazine I read it from... maybe the Economist).
>This varies quite a bit.  The medium at Berkeley for last spring
>grads, as I obtained from it's career placement center, was 37K.
>
>I don't know how senior is considered senior.  But if a job title
>says "Senior software engineer" I would expect a salary of at least
>55-60K (I heard that salaries increase VERY rapidly in HK with
>1 or 2 years of experience whereas it takes a good number of years
>of experience to be called a senior engineer here).
>
>Tax rate for singles at 40K is above 30%, twice as much as the 15%
>flat rate in HK.  I don't know what the cost of living in HK is
>nowadays.  Can someone take that into consideration and come up
>with some objective/subjective evaluations?
>

Tax rate 15% is for high income, if you get HK$10000 a month,
probably you pay around 10 to 12% tax.  If you have a family,
you probably pay a few % only.  My family has never paid any
income tax.
In HK, car and gas is very expensive.  But why do you need a
car in HK anyway?  Save some money by using public transportation.
There is no need to buy health insurance, too.  If you work for
big company, they would provide some degree of free health care 
to you.
Food is kind of cheap in HK, if you cook.  If you don't mind
fast food, it wouldn't be a problem too.  If you go to restaurant,
dim sum, it is not cheaper than in US.
In HK, since there are so much entertainment places, it is hard
for one to save money.  You can go to play bowling, snooker,
have a drink in the coffee shop, karaoke ...  Go to movie every
week, go to see concerts.  I found saving money in US much easier,
as it is so boring here.
Only thing that is very expensive and necessary is housing.
And since most local fresh grad in HK live with their family,
it wouldn't be a big burden for them.  But if you want to live
alone, chances are you have not much money left for anything
else.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: TURE NEWS STORY: Believe it or not
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:22:26 GMT

In article <93011.100222MTSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Mary Y. Tsang <MTSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>   The following is a real news story.  I got this from a friend of
>mine.  Hope this will bring some good laughes to the recently all-
>too-quiet schk.  8)
>
>   The following is the original news without any editing ( but may
>contain typo errors .)
>
Hmm, sounds like an urban legend to me because I heard this story before.
Check with Terry Chan at alt.urban.folklore.  He keeps the FAQ and can tell
you if I'm wrong or not.

BTW, weren't you the one who organized the NYC SCHK F2F?  How did it turn out?


-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: wl07@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (WAI-MING LEUNG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: air-ticket
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:58:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Do anybody know the followings:

    i) How much does it cost for a one-way ticket to Hong Kong, in
       general ?

    ii) Where and How can I find the cheapest tickets in Pennsylvania
        (close to Philadelphia)?

-- 
            "Where there is a will, there is a way."

            - Leung, wai-ming.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Subject: New Picture Posted
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:36:48 GMT

HONG KONG PICTURES ARCHIVE - (HKPA.MISC)
========================================
NEW PICTURE POSTINGS
====================

I posted a comic picture in alt.binaries.picture.misc.

Here is the description:

File: seto01.gif       
Size: 243k
Description: Cover of 'Andy Seto Art Illustration
Resolution: 529x1000x256

Enjoy!

Fran



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yyy@engr.LaTech.edu (Yan Y. Yu)
Subject: Test
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:59:56 GMT

This is just another test
From: samlam@acs.bu.edu (Hiu Fung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: test
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:19:23 GMT
Distribution: schk
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

This is a test.  Please ignore.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen)
Subject: Re: NJSTAR (a Chinese word processor)
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 02:23:54 GMT

umwan010@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nga T A Wan) writes:

>I remembered that this should be a shareware distributed at some ftp sites
>but I forgot which ones are.  Any ideas?

One site is ahkcus.org, directory --> src/pc/NJSTAR

Daniel.
(yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
From: tung@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel Tung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: News...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:17:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

Just watched the ATV news...

There was a robbery at a jewelry shop in "Shun Wor" center in Mongkok.
The robbers were equipped with AK47 and Russian-made gun. A policeman
was shot at the leg and a passer-by (woman) was shot at the head and 
killed!

Another news is that a dissident of PRC called Cheng Yi arrived in SF
today and he said he had evidence that a massive "man eat man"
incident occured in Guang Xi during the Cultural Revolution. He will
reveal the evidence when he arrive in NY.

Sam
-- 
Sam
From: pmanne@math.uio.no (Per Manne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Hong Kong Calendar
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:31:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Math dept. University of Oslo, Norway

I've got a HK calendar for 1993. The days marked in red are (I assume)
official holidays. I can only figure out a few of them, and would like some
help with the others. Please fill in the blanks!

Jan. 1          New Year Day
Jan. 22-25      Chinese New Year
Apr. 5          Ching Ming
Apr. 9-12       Easter
June 12-14
June 24
Aug. 28-30
Oct. 1          National Day in China
Oct. 23
Dec. 25-27      Christmas

The list might be incomplete if there are any special days which fall on a
sunday in 1993. Is this the case?
--
Oslo,
Per Manne
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yingtsui@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Ying Ying TSUI)
Subject: Looking for the names of systems around the World
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:38:25 GMT

Hello Folks,

I am looking for the names of systems around the World, particularly in HK.
So if you would like to contribute your system's name or your precious list of all the systems or the ftp station where I can find it, PLEASE send me a mail!!
I would be very appreciated this.

Thank you for the time and your contribution.

Peggy the clothes peg.
(yingtsui@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au or yingtusi@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au)
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Seeing that I like..
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:27:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfI0U=O00UhW40xRFY
	<29402@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. So writes:

.

>  P.S. It seems like that you walk from soc.culture.japan to 
>  soc.culture.asian.american and then to soc.culture.hongkong. 
>  When are you going to walk to soc.culture.china? :-)


You made me very happy on this one. I really laughed! I like you! Can I
be your friend! And, will the State of Arizona celebrate Martin L. King
Jr. Holiday this year? Thanks for the Smile!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leekfe@eecg.toronto.edu (Kim Fung Edward Lee)
Subject: Re: hello
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:56:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.054045.6355@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> wrgh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Kelvin Lee) writes:
>The Top 10 U.S. universities for EE/CS by UR Chinese Students.
>1. MIT
>2. Carnegie Mellon
>3. Standford
>4. Cornell
>5. U. of California at Berkeley
>6. U. of Illinois at Urbana
>7. U. of Texas at Austin
>8. Cal Tech
>9. Princeton
>10. U. of Rochester
>
>Not by the U.S. News,  Hong Kong Frank Ha and the Gourman.....
>Don't send any request about  how the rank come out 
>That is not randomly selected, that is all with bias if you assume so
>If your school not in the list, good luck and transfer to U. of Rochester!
>

	Just my personal opinion..... I would agree with MIT and CMU 
as the top CS institutes and UCB, Standford and CMU the top EE
institutes...... (my choices are based on quality/quantity of 
publications over the past 3 or 4 yrs....; of course, I haven't read
all related journals/publications ) 

>
>


**************************************************************************
*         Raymond Y. V. Chik               |_           \           _|   *
*         VLSI Research Grp.                 ||      --------     ||     *
*         Dept. of Elec. Eng.               _||o-+   | -+-+-   +-o||_    *
*         U. of Toronto                    |     |   |  +-+    |     |   *
*                                          |_    |   |  _|_    |    _|   *
*Internet:    chik@vrg.toronto.edu           ||--+   | | | |   +--||     *
*                                           _||     /  | | |      ||_    *
*      8-)      >-(      |-<       %->     |             |           |   *
*                                                                        *
*     NOTE:	 I'm only using a friend's account                       *
**************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: TURE NEWS STORY: Believe it or not
From: Mary Y. Tsang <MTSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 10:02:22 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

   The following is a real news story.  I got this from a friend of
mine.  Hope this will bring some good laughes to the recently all-
too-quiet schk.  8)

   The following is the original news without any editing ( but may
contain typo errors .)

-----------------------   CUT HERE   -----------------------------


HUSBAND PAYS FOR WIFE'S WAR WITH ROACH
--------------------------------------

   Jerusalem (UPI) - An Israeli woman's all-out war on a cockroach
lanuched a series of freak accidents that put her unsuspecting
husband in the hospital with burns, two broken ribs and a cracked
pelvis.

   The incident, reported Thursday by the Jerusalem Post, occurred
last week when a woman from the Tel Aviv area, whose name was
withheld, found a cockroach in her living room.

   She stomped the bug and tossed it into the toilet.  When the
critter refused to die, she sprayed an entire can of insecticide
into the toilet bowl to finish it off.

   Her unsuspecting husband came home from work mements later,
perched on the toilet seat and lit up a cigarette.  When he
finished smoking, he tossed the butt into the toilet.

   The cigarette ignited the insecticide fumes and burned "his
sensitive parts," the Post reported.

   As they carried the man down the steps of his house, paramedics
asked how he received the peculiar burns.

   When he responded, they laughed and accidentally dropped the
stretcher, cauing the man further injuries, the Post said.

------------------------   CUT HERE   ---------------------------

Disclaimer:  If you find it funny, don't thank me.  If you have any
other feelings, don't write me.  I'm not the reporter/writer of the
story.

+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
:                                                                      :
:  Mary Y. Tsang          Academic Computing Services                  :
:  Life is Short,         Hunter College, NYC    212-772-5525 (Voice)  :
:  Live and               mtshc@cunyvm.cuny.edu   (internet)           :
:  Live the Fullest!      mtshc@cunyvm     (bitnet)                    :
:                                                                      :
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
From: wxl7@po.CWRU.Edu (William Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Jacky Cheung...
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:37:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wxl7@po.CWRU.Edu (William Leung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I am a big fan of Jacky Cheung... Please romanticize his songs....
Thank you :)

					Willie
-- 
Picture this... You and Me... Walking Down a White Sand Beach...
We're Holding Hands... The Warm Winds Blow... We're All Alone...
				---Tommy Page (Paintings In My Mind)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mak853@cs.cuhk.hk (Mak Ming Chi)
Subject: Re: NJSTAR (a Chinese word processor)
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:38:18 GMT

umwan010@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nga T A Wan) writes:

>I remembered that this should be a shareware distributed at some ftp sites
>but I forgot which ones are.  Any ideas?

>Thanks.
>-- 
>======================================================================
>WAN, Nga Ting A.			| Internet:
>Department of Computer Engineering	| umwan010@ccu.umanitoba.ca
>University of Manitoba, Canada R3T-2N2	|

you can get the ftp site address of njstar by using archie

telnet 
open quiche.cs.mcgill.ca
archie
prog njstar*.*

i hope you can get it!

							Paul Mak
								1/10/93
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ? Good HK Hotel
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:51:05 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley) writes:

> Ill be in HK next week...any suggestions on a good hotel...I like
> TST side the best.  I usually stay at the Kowloon (so I can pretend Im
> staying at the Pen!)....What are your favorites.
> 
> Whats the temperature now?
> 
> Thanks!   
> 

 The Conrad is very good if you have a few dollars for the night.
 I spent some time there the other month and loved it. We normaly
 stay at the Hilton or Excelisor but the Conrad wins hands down.


 Jon Clarke                                                     Z*NET Pacific
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  jonc@status.gen.nz           GEnie: J.Clarke6        Hexagon: HSBC NZM EBD
  Phone: (+649) 358-5589       IFNA : 3/772:105        GEM    : NZM CABLES
 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     "Practise safe computing ! Wear a write protect tab!" jc 1988
From: cmc@cs.utexas.edu (Chi Ming Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Passport renewal
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:10:24 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: grit.cs.utexas.edu


I am trying to get my passport renewed.  Does anyone know how long will
the procedure take?  (I have some urgent family business to tend to.)

Thanks in advance.

--M.
From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: [NEWS] from CND on HK-China power struggle
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:01:45 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:

>Lu was speaking during an interview with a  Hong  Kong  television  station,
>weaving a mixture of threats  and conciliatory  gestures together in a major
>onslaught on the democracy proposals which will be debated by  the  colony's
>legislature next month.

  God damns CCP. I can see the ugly face of those shameful power
seeking bureaucrats and their dirty minds. They only want to be the
overlord and rule their people with threatening.

  steve
--
stevew@helios.unl.edu  |=| \ Fender / |=| ... smoke on the water, fire in
                       |=|   \    /   |=| the sky...   Smoke on the water.
stevew@hoss.unl.edu    |=|     \/     |=|     (36 bars guitar solo)
		      Deep purple, the best
From: Kwun.Han@f4.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Kwun Han)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Looking for a friend
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:20:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


* In a message to All on 12-24-92 at 14:10, Selina Glynn said:
 > I have a friend who used to work and live in St. Stephen's
 > College.
 > I have sent her a piece of mail twice and have both been
 > bounced back.
 > Can someone from Hong Kong, confirm whether the school has
 > been

Nope, it is still there, I went there last week. May be your friend doesn't
study there anymore?

Kwun Han.  
 
--- GEcho 1.00/beta+
 * Origin: ATC Board [2 lines] 490-0424, 498-9658 (6:700/4)
SEEN-BY: 700/0 1 4 5 8 50 74 100 101 102 103 142 150 163 171 189 200 220 232
SEEN-BY: 700/250 275 300 350 450 500 550 600 925 1066/300 301 309
--  
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!6!700!4!Kwun.Han
Internet: Kwun.Han@f4.n700.z6.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: c056whm@utarlg.uta.edu (ARMANDO VELASQUEZ)
Subject: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:41:00 GMT


Date:  4 Jan 1993 01:40 CST  

this just a test!Distribution: world
Keywords:
From: Joseph.Lai@f261.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Joseph Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Airline Companies Addresses & Flying Schools
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:19:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I feel very interest in flying training. It is very difficult or even
impossible to get a flying licence in fair cost in Hong Kong. I would like to
know more about your school. If possible, please send me more information. My
address is: 171 Shatin Pass Road,
            Tsz Wan Shan,
            Kowloon, Hong Kong.
Best regards!
Joseph 

--- GEcho 1.00/beta+
 * Origin: >> MEGA-BYTE MULTILINES #2 (852)793-3559 CSP/MNP5 << (6:700/261)
SEEN-BY: 700/0 1 4 5 8 50 74 100 101 102 103 130 142 150 163 164 169 171 174
SEEN-BY: 700/189 200 220 232 250 260 270 275 300 350 450 500 550 600 925
SEEN-BY: 1066/300 301 309
--  
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!6!700!261!Joseph.Lai
Internet: Joseph.Lai@f261.n700.z6.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mkcman@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Marcus Man)
Subject: Pay range in HK
Keywords: Pay
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:46:39 GMT

Hi,

Regarding to the salary range of programmers in HK, I have posted a news on
the news group yesterday and figured out that most of us are augueing about
income tax system rather than pay range of programmers in HK.

I just came back from HK last week and I have studied the salary range of
general programmers in HK. This the a general conclusion of our topic.

First of all, the computer industry in HK is growing fast since many companies
are expanding the business in China. The demand of programmers especially in
mainframe is very high and their salary (starting point) is around $9000.
A senior programmer (more than 2 year experience) earns about $10000 / month.
A system analyst in mainframe earns about $15000 to $25000 / month. A project
manager earns about $30000 to $50000 / month. 

I have a Classified post at home and I found out that many computer jobs are 
mostly PC and mainframe programmers or system analysts. So the industry looks
good in the future. 

On more thing I want to mention is that the inflation rate in HK is %9 this
year and economic growth is %6, so the living cost in HK is high comparing
with the past few years. Income tax rate does not change at all but the 
personal basic excemption will increase to around $52000/person. The most
expensive goods in HK is real estate, but it was slow down a little bit in
the past few months. The average price level of real estate goes down by
%10 in past 3 months. 

I hope those information will help.

Marcus
U of Waterloo
Canada



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mcleung@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Man C. Leung)
Subject: Re: Pay Range in HK
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:24:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.185626.19915@nynexst.com> hchu@nynexst.com writes:
>In article 26574@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU, mcleung@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Man C. Leung) writes:
>> In article <93Jan7.150923est.251205-1@descartes.uwaterloo.ca> mkcman@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Marcus Man) writes:
[Deleted]
>
>The U. S. does not have a flat tax rate.  For Federal taxes, the rates are 15%, 28%,
>and 31%, depending on your income. Of course, you have to add any state and local 
>income taxes.  But even if your marginal tax rate is 31%, you don't pay 31% on the
>entire amount.  Maybe an example can clarify this.  I don't remember the break down
>of the tax brackets.  For the purpose of this example, let's assume that the brackets
>are as follows: 15% for income of 0 - $20,000; 28% for income of $20,000 to $35,000;
>and 31% for income exceeding $35,000.  For a person earning $50,000 a year, assuming
>that he/she takes the standard deduction, plus one exemption, you can subtract at 
>least $5000 from your taxable income.  That leaves you with $45,000 of taxable income.
>You pay 15% taxes on the first $20,000, 28% on the next $15,000, and 31% only for 
>the remaining $10,000 of your taxable income.  So when you average out the tax rates,
>the effective rate is way below 30%.   In addition, you can still have a lot of
>deductions to shield your income.  For example, the interest payment on your house
>mortgage, and your contribution to the 401(k) plan (up to about $9,000 a year) both
>can reduce your taxable income substantially.  If your company offers it, the
>Helath Care Spending Plan can make your health care spending tax deductible.   If you
>have kids, the Dependent Spending Account can reduce your taxable income by another
>$4,800.  With all these deductions, my effective tax rate (e.g. total taxes paid/ total
>income) is only 20%, even though my wife and I have a combined six figure income and
>I live in the tax hell of America, New York City.  Studies show that the average
>effective tax rate for all Americans is about 20%, and it is among the lowest among
>the industrialized countries.  
>
>I don't know anything about the tax system in Hong Kong.  Is it a flat rate tax
>applied to all income?  are there any deductions?   Can someone enlighten me?
>
>
>Harry Chu
>
>Even though the rates seem to be quite high, the effective rate that 
>you pay can be substantially lower 

All these are very true.  But there has been an assumption that we are
talking about a fresh grad who has no spouse, house, or kids.  Also,
I think most fresh grads are so in need of money that they don't usually
invest in the 401(k) plan.

In California, if you make somewhere around 40K and claim 2, 30+%
of the gross income is deducted from each pay check.  Is there another
bracket above 31%?


Man C. Leung