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From: 54yang@cua.edu
Subject: Re: On the Baby (Re: HK Airport Project
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:16:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.194539.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:

>> Now the issue is not between the Central government and a local government
>> of China, but between China and UK about HK.  Don't be confused or confusing.
>> 
> 
> HK government understand more on the present HK situration than the
> Chinese government do, and the UK government more or less follow
> the HK government's suggestions.  This causes the image that HKites
			^^^^^^^^
a slave (colony) give suggestions to his master???

> support UK.  Please, don't confuse this!
> 
> Chinese Government said that UK do not cooperate with China for the
> transition.  Since UK more or less follow HKites' view, that 
				     ^^^^^^^
no, not follow, but dictate, giving colonial orders!!!

> actually is Chinese Governemnt do not cooperate for the adminstation
> and transition of HK.

cooperation is not one-side only thing.  When Patten introduced some
reform measures, had he consulted from the Chinese government? Had he
made any cooperative intents with the Chinese government? NO!
> 
> Raymond Kwok   

Can you tell me who direct (lead, guide, decide) the HK government?
Why this guy assigned by UK came and caused such a dispute?
As I understand this issue, the issue is still between UK and CHINA,
about HK.  The British government may be enjoying right now while
watching HK people are divided.  This is what they hoped and wanted.
Do they want to cooperate?  Do they willingly return its colony back
to China and keep it wealthy, healthy?   I doubt.  You'd better
give some doubt before take a stand with UK at this point.

54yang@cua.edu
From: haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Joan chen on screen? Oh, no!
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:02:40 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec20.225651.6780@mariner.amc.edu.au> lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang) writes:
>I wonder why these chinese actors and actress like to go to America. I
>suspect that they have chosen a wrong place to go. I think more or less
>they should have chosen Japan. If you think Jaon Chen is a real success in
>America, I wonder how REAL it is.:-) I know in a relative sense she is
>doing better than other actress from the same background as hers. By and
>large, it is a personal tradegy for the actors and actress from China.
>However, if it is their own choice, what we can say?:-)

   Those actors and actress chose to go abroad for the same reason why
you and I are here. As to why they came to the states instead of going
to Japan, Hollywood is far more glamorous than the Japanese film
industry. I would think that a lot of young actors/actresses in China
have some basic training in English. I don't think that the same can be said
about Japanese. America, the country as a whole, is relatively much more
open to foreigners to many other developed countries. As for Joan Chen
herself, I don't think she had a fair estimate of herself before step onto
the soil of this continent. The easily gained fame from the newly opened
largely under developed Chinese domestic film market just cannot be
found in Hollywood. There are just too many talent. And the trends shift
all too quickly. As a celebrity back home, people judge you with a much
higher standard. Just lead a comfortable life could not be viewed as
made it. 

   It is very sad to see the brightest of China in all fields up root
themself from their home soil. Putting out their darnest effort trying
to make it in foreign lands across all continents. Comparing with many
others, Chen Chong is doing a lot better. I used to be utterly disgusted
by some of her contemporary actress just gave up her budding career,
went off to live a house wife somewhere in West Germany. If a promising
career is not even worth a house wife life in the west, what does it say
about the future and collective commitment of the Chinese culture
circle?

   There are many former table tennis wizards taking up positions abroad, 
coaching other nations' sons and daughters to compete with the next 
generation Chinese players, seriously undercuting the competitive edge of 
the Chinese team.

   I could not blame too much on them as individuals. But the net result
of brain drain is all evident. All the above said, with the speed of
development in China, I am possitive that this trend will be at least
partially reversed in the near future.


					Haiying
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 10:56:37 EST
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <C09JF9.Bvr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>Yan Xing gave a Qi Gong lecture in Indianapolis today. It last
>about four and half hours. In summery of his speech, I have following
>doubt.

Yan Xing came to Ann Arbor to give a Qi Gong lecture last year.
I attended his lecture. During his lecture, I followed his instruction
and, after 30 minites, my arms keep shaking and I can not control
my arm. When I went to restroom and left the lecture hall, the
Qi Gong effect disappears. I also saw many people lost their control
and laugh or cry. From my personal experience, Yan Xing's Qi Gong
is a real thing although I do not understand it. Probably, it is 
something beyong today's science.

He made some strong claims about remote control on nuclear decay,
molecular reactions. From my limited knowledge, I do not believe
it. However, I only can say it has not been proven to me. I do
not want to say it is not true or anything else. If I did not
go to Yan Xing's lecture, I would not believe that he can make
my arm shaking beyong my control.


J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Subject: Re: What happened to the Long March?
Keywords: Rocket
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:19:04 GMT

In article <8228@news.duke.edu> feng@phy.duke.edu (Yutao Feng) writes:
>Anyone knows the detail about what actually happened to the Chinese rocket
>Long March II, lauching the Australia communications satellite?
>Peter Jennings said on ABC last night that the satellite was lost. But didn't
>give details. The Long March is said to have a 100% success rate in the past,
>as I heard from the chinese official media. 
>
 It has nothing to do with Long March II, something went wrong with the
 satelite itselfe. 
 Why did you put your doubt on the Long March so natually? 
                                                      
 BTY, "the chinese official media" was right, but don't tell us you
 heared it last month.  Read more People's daily, or listen to Radio
 Beijing more often.

YY
     
 heared that last month

>-- 
>	Yutao Feng ~{7kSpLN~}		Tel.(919)660-2644
>	 ~{6E?K4sQ'No@mO5~} FEL Lab	Email: feng@phy.duke.edu


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:33508 soc.culture.taiwan:16538 soc.culture.korean:6659 soc.culture.japan:12835
From: wang@dorrit.as.utexas.edu (Bubba Qiangguo Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test [1/1] {astronomy}
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:19:13 GMT
Distribution: ut

Hello !

Please ignore, this is a test.

From wang@astro.as.utexas.edu

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:33566 soc.culture.taiwan:16577
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: illegal_immigration
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:50:33 GMT

In article <Bzwouv.Ixr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Ah_Q <achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>Last week about 180 Chinese were found in a ship
>off the west coast trying to get into America.
>
>It was said that they paid $30,000 each to get
>a chance to sneak into America.  I don't see how
>they would be able to accumulate $30,000 if they
>are from China.
>
>Is there any news on the fate of these people?
>Are they allowed to stay here?
>
>
The U.S. media is using this chance to demean Chinese. Lies and facts  are
aall
used to serve the purpose. They used words like "live with theirown filth".
I wonder how can a big ship like that without sanitation. I saw those people
dressed better than a lot of Americans.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Subject: Re: A not-so-fun question
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:42:27 GMT

In article <9211237251.AA72513@ccmail.uoregon.edu>, Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
(Tuya) says:


>          There are M objects of various sizes (ti3 ji1).

>          There is a bag which can hold more than 0 but fewer than M
>          of these objects.

>          Can you give a method to decide which of these M objects
>          should be put into the bag so the total volume of the
>          objects put into the bag is maximized?

This is going too far.  It is an NP-complete problem,
and nobody knows if there is an efficient algorithm for
this problem.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Mongolia
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:05:03 GMT

In article <2B436939.19462@news.service.uci.edu> ygu@eve.eng.uci.edu (Yifan Gu) writes:
>>or not recognizing it as an independent nation, shows how much 
>>mainland Chinese have yet to learn about democracy and fairness.
>
>Believe me, Chinese people do have a strong sense of fairness; not less than any other
Funny! When British were selling opium to Chinese, the  official sent by
Qing Government to cope with Opium dealing, (Lin Ze Su) sent a letter to 
British Queen, lectured her on how immoral it is to sell  opium and how will
the  Queen  be gratified if she stoped her subjects selling opium. Qing was 
an aging Empire, talking morality did not save Chianese. Right now, West is 
aging, have all the comfort possible by stealing, cheating, or other right or
wrong means.
you got some Westeners(not all) obsessed with Peace and Environmentalist, 
Buhddaism, and started
to lecture evry one else on morality. It   was just like late Qing Dynasty,
people started to resigne from life, competition, confrontation.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:33441 alt.chinese.text:1063
From: feng@phy.duke.edu (Yutao Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,alt.chinese.text
Subject: What happened to the Long March?
Keywords: Rocket
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:30:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china

Anyone knows the detail about what actually happened to the Chinese rocket
Long March II, lauching the Australia communications satellite?
Peter Jennings said on ABC last night that the satellite was lost. But didn't
give details. The Long March is said to have a 100% success rate in the past,
as I heard from the chinese official media. 

-- 
	Yutao Feng ~{7kSpLN~}		Tel.(919)660-2644
	 ~{6E?K4sQ'No@mO5~} FEL Lab	Email: feng@phy.duke.edu
From: yli@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yanhong Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Top 10 things for China 1993  (personal prediction)
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:41:50 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <2B476655.11932@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>1. The economical growth will have to be slowed down in July 1993.
>2. The significant inflation will happen in October 1993.
>3. Jiang Zemin will face a new power chanllenge in November 1993.
>4. Hongkong will protest CCP's foreign trade policy because of the GATT things.
>5. Yellow River flooding will happen in the summer of 1993.
>6. Shanghai stock market will be collapsed before October 1993, and the 
>   ShenZhen stock market will be in the same situation before November 1993.
>7. Li Peng will play the major role again at the end of 1993.
>8. 100% of the Chinese universities will become credit stores by the end of 
>   1993, because 90% of the Chinese professors become poor people again.
>9. Deng Xiaoping will die in 1993.
>10. Some student movements will happen in 1993.

11. NONE of the above predictions will happen in 1993.

-- 
===============================================================================
Yanhong Li                          716-838-6493(h)    645-3198(o)
Dept. of Computer Science                       Good good study                
SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY14260               Up up every day
From: feng-thomas@cs.yale.edu (Thomas Zuwei Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Two puzzles
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:17:27 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: giraffe.zoo.cs.yale.edu

Weiping Shi writes:

>Actually, there is a general result that anything can be done
>with a compass and a straight edge can be done by
>a compass only.  This puzzle is a special case.

This is a non-trivial math theorem.  The proof involves the inversion mapping
and all that.  Of course we have to define 'drawing' as 'finding points in the
plane'.  A counterpart of this theorem is that given a circle AND its center,
then anything constructible with a compass and a straight edge can be drawn
by a straight edge only.

tfeng
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How Do You Say "Will You Marry Me" in Chinese?
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:53:08 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


    In post <92354.211104XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> (19 Dec 1992) X Xu writes,

> Old guys sing "Guan1 Guan1 Ju1 Jiu1" [as to say "Will you marry me"].
> ...
> Time is changing.  If you sing that [now], few girls know what you mean.

    Well, this old guy didn't sing it :-), after read Lu Xun's remark -- if
any poet dares to send to a magazine lines like "Beautiful maiden, a perfect
match for gentleman," the editor is bound to throw it into the wastebasket.

    In article <9212210352.AA01647@thames.bu.edu> (21 Dec 1992) Lix argues,

> Not necessarily.  Xiao Deng has a song obviously after the one of what
> XiaoFei posted, I like it, very beautiful.  Sanyee also heard some songs
> after the "Mountain Ghost."  The problem is someone are needed to dig
> these treasures out and make them popular.

    I had the luck to watch Hubei Dance Troupe's performance of "The Nine
Songs."  Very impressive, and made me dream the Mountain Goddess painted
by Xu Beihong -- a naked girl, wild yet innocent, on a tiger :-).

    However, one doesn't have to a be Ph.D. of Chinese Literature to make
his wedding proposal romantic.  If one likes to use a song or a poem, the
contemporaries are not that bad, if some of them are not actually better
than many ancient poetic gems.

    When I left mainland in 1984, there was a popular song, Hun Shi (The
Wedding Oath).

    A Ge1 A Mei4 Qing2 Yi4 Chang2
    Hao3 Xiang4 He2 Shui3 Ri4 Ye4 Xiang3
    He2 Shui3 Ye3 Hui4 You3 Shi2 Jing4
    A Ge A--- Yong3 Yuan3 Zai4 Shen1 Pang2

 (  Arc and Amy share a go-go-forever love,
    Like the river makes noise day and night.
    Even river gets quiet occasionally,
    Arc a---, you are by me forever. )

    A Ge1 A Mei4 Qing2 Yi4 Shen1
    Hao3 Xiang4 Ba1 Jiao1 Yi4 Tiao2 Gen1
    A Ge1 Jiu4 Shi4 Ba1 Jiao1 Ye4
    A Mei4 A--- Jiu4 Shi4 Ba1 Jiao1 Xin1

 (  Arc and Amy share a down-to-the-earth love,
    Like the banana tree has only one root.
    Arc is the leaves of the banana tree,
    Amy a---, you are the core of the tree. )

    Not too bad, in comparison with "Guan1 Guan1 Ju1 Jiu1" :-).  And if you
sing the second part, surely the girl knows what you mean.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen G.C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: INFO wanted on patenting/marketing, other inventers !
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:13:46 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <BzJpC6.FuG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "Bee Surgeon"   <ZHIYONG@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>ANYbody out there has experience dealing with patenting/marketing agencies ?
> I search for usenet dealing with these aspects but to no avail.
>  I had submitted an idea recently to one company and now they say the idea
>is patentable and is asking for about 11k, to apply for the patent and also
>market the idea, then they will get some percentage of royalties also.
>This sounds pretty expensive right now and I am wondering any of you have
>experience dealing with this ?
>thanks a bunch.     zy.                   University of Illinois,
>                                          Where corn fields prevail.....

  Hello,

  I assume you submitted your invention to a patent agency(you called it
  company), if you are the one to pay the 11K, this amount is for their
  service, in other words, the company get payed from you, I knew the lawyers
  charge from $100 to $200 an hour for helping you preparing the
  application. 

  if your school or employer is going to pay this legal fee, then they 
  want to benefit from their INVESTMENT, which means they will also take
  the risk if the market value of the patent is not high enough. 

  If you want to patent it by yourself, you don't need to pay a lawyer,
  the cost will be around $1000 (here in Canada, it costs $1100 for a small
  entity). There is a well-recommended book you may find useful, anyone
  interested can order it from: ( Note, I am not their salesman, and have 
  nothing to do with them )

      Nolo Press, 950 Parker St., Berkeley, CA  94710. 1-(800) 992-6656
      The Book: Patent_it_Yourself_, by Patent Attorney David Pressman

  There is a newsgroup: comp.patents, you may find some experts help you out.

  Hope this may give a little help.
  Wish you good luck! and Merry Christmas !
  
  Guo-Ching Hsu
From: jinxiang@carson.u.washington.edu (Jinxiang  Ren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Joan chen on screen? Oh, no!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:27:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <Bzpxtr.Dut@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <Bzp1wG.Ept@cs.mcgill.ca> haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:
>>
>>   It is very sad to see the brightest of China in all fields up root
>>themself from their home soil. Putting out their darnest effort trying
>>to make it in foreign lands across all continents. Comparing with many
>>others, Chen Chong is doing a lot better. I used to be utterly disgusted
>>by some of her contemporary actress just gave up her budding career,
>>went off to live a house wife somewhere in West Germany. If a promising
>>career is not even worth a house wife life in the west, what does it say
>>about the future and collective commitment of the Chinese culture
>>circle?
>
>
>	Come on, it is not just the "culture circle".  We heard stories 
>about medical doctors cleaning rats here.  We heard stories about Ph.D.s
>opening restraunts here.  Why should we demand differently to culture
>cerebrities?  After all, it is their own choices.
>
>>   There are many former table tennis wizards taking up positions abroad, 
>>coaching other nations' sons and daughters to compete with the next 
>>generation Chinese players, seriously undercuting the competitive edge of 
>>the Chinese team.
>
>	This is a *very* good thing.  It is what sport is all about.
>
>	Remember how Chinese women's volleyball team became strong?  It
>was largely due to a Japanese coach.  Why can't we Chinese help others
>in the things we know better about?
>
>
>
>	 Eddie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hu@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Min Hu)
Subject: Re: Looking for possible investment
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:34:45 GMT

In article <SOSC1069.92Dec29211237@highway.yorku.ca> sosc1069@highway.yorku.ca (Ming He) writes:
>### On Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:10:14 GMT, hu@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Min Hu) said:
>
>Min% In article <1992Dec26.142732.24029@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>>hu@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Min Hu) writes:
>
>[...]
>
>Min% On the contradictory, I have got some responses from this group.
>Min% But I have found nothing from alt.suckers, especially
>Min% alt.suckers.ho's.mother. Thanx for not so bad and not so good
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Gee, if you greet John Ho's mother though email, then less
>	people will know how rude you are.
>
>	By the way, that group should be alt.suckers.john_ho's.mother.
>	alt.suckers.ho's.mother is much larger.
>
>	Ming He (spell in HK as 'Ho')
>
>
>Min% suggestion anyway.
>
>Min% HU MIN from Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>--
>Ming He                                   sosc1069@reader.yorku.ca
>From Beijing, China.  Like to watch to the transference of data.

I was just following a 'kind' advise. And with disappointment, I did a little bit of search.
Sorry for flaming you.

HU MIN 
Not from Beijing, China
Organization: TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technology.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:26:16 IST
From: <CVRLIUS@TECHNION.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Mao Jianqi is looking for Chao Su (BJ,Hua4Yuan)

Hi, I am mao jianqi. I hope I can get your information in this E-mail

address.
Happy chrismas!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How Do You Say "Will You Marry Me" in Chinese?
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:16:16 EST
Organization: Penn State University

 >From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
 >Subject: Re: How Do You Say "Will You Marry Me" in Chinese?
 >Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:53:08 GMT
 >
 >    In post <92354.211104XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> (19 Dec 1992) X Xu writes,
 >
 >> Old guys sing "Guan1 Guan1 Ju1 Jiu1" [as to say "Will you marry me"].
 >> ...
 >> Time is changing.  If you sing that [now], few girls know what you mean.
 >
 >    Well, this old guy didn't sing it :-), after read Lu Xun's remark -- if
 >any poet dares to send to a magazine lines like "Beautiful maiden, a perfect
 >match for gentleman," the editor is bound to throw it into the wastebasket.
 >

            It's probabely true for Mr. Lu Xun.
            Remember his published love letters
            to Ms. Xu Guangping ( don't remember those
            to others if there were any) were so
            boring that I cann't help wondering where
            Mr. Yu Dafu was, who may help Mr. Lu make
            life easier.

            "Guan1 Guan1 Ju1 Jiu1" seems too old to be
            sung. And "A Ge1 A Mei4" too pop to be
            true ( Wenzheng had another favorate?).
            Maybe Mr. Lu's "Fu3 Shou3 Gan1 Wei1 Ru1 zi3 Nui1"
            can win more ladies' favors.

            X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyw@iastate.edu (CYW)
Subject: South Dakota State University
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:25:26 GMT

I would like to talk to (Email to) anyone from South Dakota State University,
who can give me some information regarding the university and Brookings city.
Please Email me at above address.

Chunyang Wang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: Looking Back From 2992 - The disastrous 21st century
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:47:16 GMT


The year 2992 --- almost a thousand years from now?  At that time, the
`disastrous 21st century' will be ancient history.  I wonder how much
sense the names `China', `Japan' etc. will make to people then, and
how many people will care about them.



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