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From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Overdubbed Vocals on Without A Net
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:04:00 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Sep29.120818.8687@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>
>	Ok, so I've seen the posts here as of late that claim that certain
>Garcia vocals were overdubbed on "Without A Net".  I'll assume for the moment
>that this is true.  If so, shouldn't the band be liable for FALSE ADVERTISING???The overdubs invalidate the name of the album.  The overdubs are The Net.
>They also invalidate the claim of being a "live" album.  I want my money back.
>Whats next?  Jerry lipsynchin at shows?

Artists frequently overdub live performances in the studio, yet still release
the album as 'live', sometimes with notes to that effect, most often not.
It's not too high on the consumers concerns list, so I doubt that the practice
will change soon.

It's nice to see you post something about the Dead.

George Lambert
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Mickey Hart and Friends
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:50:10 GMT

In article <92278.164919NIEDFELD@MIAMIU.BITNET>,
<NIEDFELD@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>Here's some info on the ALL OUR COLORS jam on Sat Oct 10 at 2pm
>(got this from the Santana Fan Club)                       ^^^^^

NOTE:  there is a powwow beforehand, drum circle starting at 1:00,
so if you don't plan on being there 'till 2:00, you'll miss a LOT!.

>Commemorating 500 years of survival of the indigenous peoples of the
>Western Hemisphere.   Singers, Dancers, Drummers, & Native Foods.
>
>Shoreline Amphitheatre  Mountain View, CA
>
>Santana                           Tickets $25 + service chg
>Mickey Hart & Friends             Available at all Bass Ticket Cen
>Jackson Browne                    or charge by phone 510 762-BASS or
>John Lee Hooker                                      408 998-BASS
>John Trudell
>White Boy & the Wagon Burners
>Red Thunder
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
also note that Steve Miller band is scheduled .  .  .
     AND that locals should purchase tix directly at shoreline
amphitheatre because you save the $4/ticket markup, plus there's a
$2.50 charge for each group of tix purch (whether 1 or more); this
adds up!
>
>A benefit for the traditional circle of
>elders and youth...the good road concert
>
>ALL OUR COLORS is under the direction of Bill Graham Presents
>
>                                                 John Niedfeldt
>                                                 Miami University
>                                                 I Love Santana !

lara
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From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Dartmouth College Tape Grovel & Cool, True First-Show Story
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 05:24:25 GMT

My first show, 5-5-78, Thompson Arena, Dartmouth College, Hanover NH.

I had graduated the year before and moved from New Hampshire to
California.  The day after I learned the Green Key (Big Spring)
Concert would be the Dead, my boss at work told me I'd be going
back there for a business trip that very weekend.  When I got there
it was literally cosmic; the Aurora Borealis (Northern Lights) were
out that night.  [ Exclamation points omitted so as not to seem
foolish.  (:-{)> ]

So, I'm looking for a 5-5-78 tape; I've got a modest amount to trade
and two good decks to make copies with.

Also, is there a DeadBase more recent than IV, or possibly a setlist
addendum?

== Bob Yazz '76 ==
-- 


"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that
one word is 'to be prepared.'" -America's own Danny "Mr. Potatoe Head" Quayl
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: spirtles
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:09:37 GMT

Hi all -

 I saw the posts today about the Spirtles. I haven't seen them since
last NYE at the Madame Walker Theatre (great time!), so how do they
sound now? I know that they had to replace the lead guitarist, as well
as get a new sound crew. I'm glad to hear that they'll be doing NYE
again, in case I don't make it to Oakland. Anyway, I know their old
soundman pretty well, and I'm going to be getting in touch with him
soon to see about some trades. I was supposed to get some Spirtles
shows from him earlier this summer, but he works out at Deer Creek and
was unbelievable busy.....email me if you're interested in getting some
of these.

P.S. The Waterbowl in Muncie, eh? I did a gig there around 10 years
     ago (damn, I've been in Indiana almost 13 years now!), LOTS of
     teenagers there. Then again, it was with Faith Band, who were
     pretty popular at the time.......
From: lb04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Laura Bassi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Englishtown '77 Tape Grovel
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:51:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Ok folks,
here it is...
been talkin' to a few of you out there about this show
It was my first show!!!
And have found that others had their 1st show experience in Englishtown,NJ as
well!
SO>> where are the tapes?
Anyone out there have kickin' tape of this show?
Anyone interested in a tree?
I would even set it up (if someone wants to clue me in on the logistics)

....just a sho_in the dark_
Happy JGB to those of you lucky enough!?

peace, Laura
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Grateful Dead Hour #211
Summary: DeadBase authors
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:24:34 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Grateful Dead Hour no. 211
Week of October 5, 1992

Featuring STU NIXON, MIKE DOLGUSHKIN and JOHN W. SCOTT, authors of DeadBase

Part 1  24:46
                  In cue: <music>
     :00     :38  Introduction
     :38    6:18  Grateful Dead 5/19/92 Cal Expo, Sacramento CA
                  WAY TO GO HOME
    6:56    3:46  Kingfish (1976 debut LP)
                  JUMP FOR JOY
   10:42   11:31  DeadBase authors, part 1
   22:13    2:22  Grateful Dead, 1966 (unreleased studio recording)
                  ALICE D. MILLIONAIRE
   24:35     :11  ID
                  Out cue: ...when the Grateful Dead Hour continues.

   24:46    1:02  Music bed for local announcements
   25:48     :09  Pause

Part 2  27:36
                  In cue: And now, here are some scenes from next week's...
   25:57     :34  Introduction
   26:31    6:58  DeadBase authors, part 2
   33:29   19:40  Grateful Dead 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, New York
                  MORNING DEW->
                  GOOD LOVIN'/LA BAMBA
   53:09     :24  Outro
                  Out cue: and I'll meet you back here next week.

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Subject: Neil.Setlists
Reply-To: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:31:33 GMT


	If you west coast Diamondbacks are too laid back for a Net.Rap
the least you could do for us east coasters is provide a setlist or two...
I'll grant you folks another 24 hours.  A Zinfandel and Caviar hangover
is a reasonable excuse in my book.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: barnes@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Edward Barnes)
Subject: Re: Favorite venue?
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:02:29 GMT


    Favorite venues?  Speaking as one who got on the bus in the early
80's, I'd vote for the Greek Theater.  A little hot in that concrete
bowl, to be sure, but the sound was first-rate, and the visual effect
of seeing *everyone* else in the place dancing along with you could be
overwhelming!  Plus the Greek shows were always a special event and
there was a subtle air of ritual to those concerts.  The '84 Dark Star
(Friday the 13th of July, 1984, if my memory serves me well) is just
one example of the kind of magic which unfolded at those shows.

    I think the smallest venue I ever saw the Dead at was the Berkeley
Community Theater.  A cosy little place, as I recall.

    But gone are the days when the Dead played such places, more's the
pity.  My favorite venue of recent years is probably Cal Expo.  It's
open-air, not *too* huge, and retains some kind of country feeling.
During Space you can lie back and look at the stars...

					Cheers,

						Josh Barnes

					barnes@zeno.ifa.hawaii.edu
From: mtakaro@library.berkeley.edu (Mark Takaro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Greek Theatre show (1984?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:13:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Sep29.161300.27136
Reply-To: mtakaro@library.berkeley.edu
Organization: The Internet

Howdy,
A few folks have recently mentioned the Greek Theater
show from 1984 I believe that has the Dark Star encore and 
a pretty killer second set.
I have a quality analog of this show and would be willing
to make a dub or two.
Perhaps if someone would volunteer to administer such, 
we could nominate it for a tree.  I can't afford the time
right now for such things but could provide a seed...
RSVP if you can administer a tree for this...
I am open for suggestions, having never proposed such a
thing before... BUT don't be ofended if I don't respond
to individual requests immediately...
Mark Takaro (mtakaro@library.berkeley.edu)
From: klp@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kevin Prigge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Nethead Shirts
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:25:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Heres a question for the general population, actually a couple interelated
ones...

1) Are the Nethead shirts Maya's exclusive thing, or is there room for more
than one person doing them?
2) Does anyone have Maya's address (net or otherwise)

The reason I ask is because of the cancelled fall tour, and a few other
unfortunate occurances, I have a bunch excess dye thats just sitting here.
So I figured after seeing mention that it was t-shirt time on the net again
that it was something I could have some fun with, and also use up my excess.
But I don't want to usurp Maya's place as net.head.t.shirt.goddess or
whatever, so I figured I'd ask. Please E-Mail me, and I'll post a synopsis of
the replys (If you post it here, it'll distract from the flames that're about
to start over the guy who hates the Dead) :-)

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: collinsr@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Roddy Collins)
Subject: Seeking "GARCIA/LESH IN '92" bumper sticker
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:03:20 GMT

A friend of mine is highly interested in finding a source for
"GARCIA/LESH IN '92" bumper stickers... any pointers would be immensely
appreciated.

Thanks!

Roddy  (collinsr@cs.rpi.edu)
---
"When in London, do as I do / find yourself a friendly haiku" - Paul Simon
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ddavies@lotus.com (Derek Davies)
Subject: NETICATED tape
Organization: Lotus Development Corp.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:02:21 GMT


	Hi all,

	About a week ago I asked on r.m.gd if anyone would like to do a
nethead dead cover tape.  Well, there haven't been many replies.  Out of
the seven replies I got six were able to do at least one song.  What we've
got so far is:

ADDRESS:				PERFORMER(S):	SONG(S)

apoehler@ucs.indiana.edu		Aaron		Scarlet Begonias

ashton@stolaf.edu			Bill Ashton	none - wants a tape

assister.1@forsythe.stanford.edu	Lara		1: Brokedown Palace
							2: Ripple
							3: UJB or Box of Rain

rfeather@macc.wisc.edu			Geoff		1: Comes a Time->
					Runningfeather	   Dear Mr. Fantasy->
							   Hey Jude
							2: Terrapin Sta. ->
							   If I had the World
							   to Give
							3: UJB -> FOTD

bernstei@remus.rutgers.edu		Ceasar's	Shakedown or Estimated
					Fiberhead

dbudzak@ivy.uicvm.uic.edu		The G-Men	Fire on the Mt.

lenniec@ft-b.isc-br.com			Lennie Carlberg	??? - will tell later
							
ddavies@lotus.com (me)			The Kind	TBD, I'll pick
							somthing noone else
							is doing.



	We need to double the number of people submitting tunes for me to
be able to justify the effort I'll need to make to do the tape.  If you
can play a dead tune I urge you to reply.  This is not a professional quality
effort.  Neither the performances or tapeing quality need be perfect - only
close to passable;-)  The tunes listed in the list above are debatable, I'd
like to get as many different artists on the tape as possible so to that end
I may ask people to switch around on thier tunes.  Don't think you can't
participate cause the one Dead tune you know how to play is already listed.
Don't be shy!!!  ALL skill levels are absolutly encouraged to participate.

	Oh - and please remember to use email to reply.  I wont be responsible
for collecting replies from the net - sorry, to busy.

	Peace,
	Derek Davies
	ddavies@lotus.com

PS: Okay, Okay!!  I know I misspelled volenteer on the first post.  I probably
    just misspelled it again!  I DON'T CARE, OK!?!?!  Think what you want -
    I really don't care how many words are misspelled in my posts!  OK?
    Thank you. ;-)



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    Derek Davies     I never felt a felt that felt like that felt felt!
    Lotus, Cambridge                                             - ???
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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9885 rec.music.synth:15638
From: vangen@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: TX16W, oh Lawdy how I want one...
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:37:19 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

In article <1992Sep13.202409.6726@iscsvax.uni.edu>, williams8572@iscsvax.uni.edu (fEAR AND lOATHING IN cEDAR fALLS) writes:
> Hello,                                                            
>    Anybody out there wanting to sell their TX16W sampler?  I do not have $1000
> bucks to spend on one (as one priced recently was going for with disks) but I
> am quite intertested in obtaining one.  Respond directly to me and hopefully we
> can do some talking.
> -- 
> ******lid11 - Black Industrial Diamonds demo.  Reply to me if interested.******
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>              from the desk of                \  Do you know how many time zones
>             Robert A. Williams,              /  there are in the Soviet Union?
> social deviant, driller killer ripping holes \              Eleven.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have a TX16W in "Brand New" condition I would consider selling.  I purchased
the unit new, it has rating system, and I've aquired a library of 150 disks
or so.  Total "run" time on the system is less than 20 hours!  I have all
the original manuals, shipping box, and the technical service manual.

I would sell all for $850 if you're still interested.

Fellow Yamaha enthusiast,
Scott

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: dcm2@kepler.unh.edu (Tommy the Cat)
Subject: Re: Guitar Amp Tube Recommendations Wanted
Organization: University of Never Went
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:36:17 GMT

In article <122130094@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
>Any recommendations for guitar amp tubes? I know Mesa Boogie makes 
>tubes, but I'm wondering about other sources.  Are the Mesa Boogie
>tubes really as good as the ads claim they are?  I need 6L6's for a 
>vintage Fender Twin Reverb.  Someone said I shouldn't have to 
>replace the 12AX7 tubes in the preamp stages, is this true?  
>I haven't replaced the tubes in this amp 12 years!!!!

Hey, try Groove tubes... their all harmonically matched and can be
bought in twosums, foursums, and sixums :-).... I think you might be
pleasantlly surprised if you replace the preamp 12AX7's too...
especially if you like that oh no nutty crunch when you crank the
thing ;-)

later,
-chris


-- 
"Tommy the Cat" David (Chris) Mackensen 
dcm2@kepler.unh.edu, dcm2@bifur.unh.edu		I am the Time Daemon
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Subject: Re: Where to get 1/4" Phono Cables Cheaply?
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:11:36 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.130856.26590@iplmail.orl.mmc.com>, day@elmer.orl.mmc.com (Jim Day) writes:

|>My advice:  buy Switchcraft plugs!
|>
|>These are the best (IMHO)...and really are unually reasonably priced.  The local
|>music store I deal with sells them for $2.50 each, but I am sure you can buy them
|>in bulk through some distributor.

You're getting screwed, Jim.  My local electronics store sells them for 
$1.38 each, retail over the counter, without quantity discounts.  You can
do a lot better then that buying in bulk.

Greg
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: cape@damien.rtp.dg.com (Chuck Cape)
Subject:  Mountain Dance
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:46:12 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

I'm looking for a copy/transcription of the song "Mountain Dance" by
Dave Grusin. It's a fairly popular jazz piece. If anybody has any knowledge
of how I could obtain a copy (I've tried the local music stores and they   
say that it can't be had), please let me know. I sure would appreciate 
it.

Chuck Cape
Data General, RTP, NC
damien.rtp.dg.com!cape


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,ba.music,sun.music
From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Subject: Re: Nice guitars for sale (Gibson, Rickenbacker, Alembic, Yamaha)
Keywords: Gibson, Rickenbacker, Alembic, Yamaha
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:23:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.222125.20854@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>In article <!29nysb.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>>
>>
>>I have several nice guitars I would like to sell.
>>
>>	Alembic Electrum (6 string guitar). three pickups
>>	active tone electronics, gorgeous vermillion/mahogony/ebony/maple
>> 	construction.
>>			-$650
>>
>>	Rickenbacker 481
>>	twin humbuckers, phase splitter, blonde maple/white binding
>>	bolt on neck. Rare angled frets model!
>>	a collector's rarity!
>>			-$500
>>
>>	Gibson ES175D
>>	Twin humbuckers, blonde maple/white binding. Beautiful
>>	appearance and condition.
>>			-$700
>>
>>	Yamaha 12 string
>>	Early model (Nippon Gakki made).
>>	Solid spruce top/veneer rosewood (book matched) sides and back.
>>	Nice case, great sound
>>			-$300
>>
>>All include cases, all are in great shape.
>>Cash only
>>
>>
>>(415) 903-3832 wk  "Get rid of the bums!"   (408) 253 4541 fax
>
>The Alembic, the Gibson and the Rickenbacker are all sold. The Yamaha is
>still available and with a recuced price of $250. The Yamaha is really 
>beautiful and with the solid spruce top, has wonderful sound. The 
>body is a dreadnaught sized one.

All guitars sold. Thanks for the enquiries.
rdc


-- 
Richard Crisp       Cupertino, Ca.          crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk  "Get rid of the bums!"   (408) 253 4541 fax
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9845 alt.guitar.bass:1435
From: ron@central.cis.upenn.edu (Ron Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Singing and playing simultaneously
Keywords: tough but doable
Date: 26 Sep 92 04:59:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92268.154328LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu> LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.175542.19094@pony.Ingres.COM>, jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon
>Berger) says:
>>
>>I'm always amazed at people who can do this.  I can't even play and talk
>>at the same time; it was years before I could even so much as say "One
>>more time" or something on that level while playing.  I can sing and play
>
>It's my opinion that it's harder to talk and play than sing and play...
>at least sing most music. In general, even if the vocal line is different
>than the bass line, at least there's a common tempo to hold on to.
>It takes some practice to get the rhythm right, and the fingering has to
>be almost automatic for me to keep my voice in tune. I think the key word
>is Practice....play the same part over and over, at half speed if it's
>tough.
>   I find it harder to talk and play because there's no rhythm to follow.
>If I don't talk in time with the music, which sounds amazingly dumb
>to listen to, then I screw up my bass line 100% of the time.

Same here.  

      Talking and playing is far more difficult than singing and playing.
I think too much while talking to move my hands over the fretboard accurately.
It took me a while to learn to play Bass and sing harmony at the same time.
I used to listen to the melody intently, concentrate on my fingerings (had
to look at the fretboard back then), AND try to harmonize. Not likely :-) 

      To 12th the motion, practice is definately the key here.
Comfort comes with practice, and with comfort comes a lot of seemingly
difficult abilities (like tapping a line with left hand while adjusting
knobs/slides on rig with right, or jumping patches with left hand while 
playing keys on right).  Repetition breeds automatic actions, and the
less you have to think, the better (in this case).  I don't think that
people like Geddy are really concentrating on both at the same time...
He knows where the groove is and plays/sings familiar phrases and patterns.
I have to say it helps to have written the song you're playing, of course.

-ron

PS - Liken this to some one who doesn't play piano learning to play two
     independent lines... or sight read it, even harder.  Until you've
     achieved some automatic behaviour between hands/eyes/ears, things
     don't sound too hip. But after a few million passes through the
     Presser Achievement Series and a couple hundred jam sessions... :-)
From: faulkner@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shane P. Faulkner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: FOR SALE: great guitar capo
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:57:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

I have a Kayser guitar capo for sale.  It's a great capo...  easy-to-use 
1 handed operation.  It fits any size neck, and never slips.  It's also
extremely well made.  

It's hardly ever been used... I lost my first one, immediately bought another
one, and proceded to find the original the next day.

I paid $16 for it.. I'll let it go for $12, and I'll ship it anywhere in
North America.

Reply by mail please.

-Shane Faulkner
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:9858 alt.guitar:8388
From: haley@husc10.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Help!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 09:14:55 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Yep, practice, lot's of... Check out article about advise to drummer...
As to the Metallica TAB, check a local musci store, Metallica has
realeased most of the stuff in Classical notation with TAB immediately
under it, which I find useful for learning how to read music. Beware,
though.
Many transcriptions have major mistakes, such as one a friend tols me
about where the original guitarist used a delay pedal to achieve the
effect.
Also many "Official" Transcriptions will leave out solos and stuff, Or
the case of "Relayer" by Yes, the entire Introduction, and the almost
3 minute middle section, which is too me the meat of the song...
(The song being Gates of Delirium)

One other piece of advice... Spend a lot of time developing an
*independant* sense of rhythm.  I've met a few guitarists who could
play tightly on rehearsed songs, but the moment something had to be
ad-libbed, Such as when the singer blew a cue, the sound fell apart
even though he was playing something that musically fit, cause it
didn't rhythmicly fit. There fore the drummer had no Idea where to go,
and the Singer could find some place to sneak back in...

Independant rhythm allows tight improv, which is nice for writing
songs, but imperative for paying gigs using someone else's
equipment...