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From: KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan)
Subject: Re: EKU and Spaten
Organization: BROOKHAVEN NATIONAL LABORATORY
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:57:06 GMT
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In <1992Aug20.231115.3870@inter-tel.com> wohlenbe@inter-tel.com writes:

:      As an American, I've come to really enjoy  some of the German beers such
: as EKU and Spaten.  I am curious to hear from some Germans (or people who are
: knowledge about German culture) regarding the stature  of these brands within
: Germany.  Are they are mass produced  and  present  in most German bars (like
: Bud/Coors/Miller in American  bars)?   Do  most Germans consider these brands
: excellent or are there other brands which are held in higher regard?
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: Greg Wohlenberg

As a fellow American, but one who lived in (West) Germany for awhile (and goes
back whenever possible), I must point out that your question will not make much
sense to most Germans. There are no equivalents to Budmillercoors in Germany.
The reason German beer is so good is that it is usually sold close to the (many
regional) breweries. The closest thing to  "national brands" in Germany are the
two Czech beers, Pilsner Urquelle and ur-Budweiser (Budwar) which are
ubiquitous. Also, specialty beers like wheat beers from Bavaria are sold pretty
widely these days, and "Alt" beers from the Dusseldorf region can be fairly
easily found.

All of the above refers to bars, restaurants and typical neighborhood
groceries. Big supermarkets carry beers from all over Germany (plus
Czechoslovakia), but judging from the way the shelves are stocked, I believe
most Germans are still loyal to their regional breweries. I believe I saw EKU
in some supermarkets in the North (it also counts as a speciatlty beer), but I
don't recall seeing Spaten outside Munich.

I love beer, and I love the German beer that is imported to the US, but there
is a refreshing flavor of a draft German or Czech "pils" that is simply
unmatched in my experience anywhere outside those two countries. If you need a
reason to stop drinking "Bud" go there and taste what beer from a good regional
brewery is like, then remember how AB et al drove most US regional breweries
out of business.

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From: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU (purna)
Subject: Re: Paulaner....
Reply-To: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.045619.18936@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>In article <77952@ut-emx.uucp> chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:
>>>a question to you, first.  WHICH Paulaner did you not like?  Paulaner is
>>
>>It was the Hefe-Weizen that I tried & didn't like.  So which ones should I 
>>avoid in the future?
>
>Apparently any beers with flavor  |-\

hey now!

i happen to LIKE weizen beers, myself.  of course, it has to be the
right season for it (hot, nasty, etc.).  naturally, in houston that means
we should drink it year round :)  unfortunately, we don't get it
year round :(

why don't you (chris) try the Oktoberfest, Salvator and 1634 (all
made by Paulaner) which are also very good, but don't taste like
the Hefe-Weizen at all.

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Subject: Re: Re: Mass market beers: any (really) good ones?
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:04:37 GMT

(sorry for the delay in responding - the hurricane didn't directly
impact us, but it did take down our comms until now)

In article <1992Aug22.213747.11915@bnlux1.bnl.gov> KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan) writes:
>In <1992Aug21.190637.4679@telematics.com> ted@telematics.com writes:
>: In article <1992Aug21.135412.5908@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com writes:
>: >Oh my.  Well, I won't try to give you any advice, 'cause if you rank Beck's,
>: >Harp, and St. Pauli Girl with Budweiser, nothing that I could suggest would 
>: >have any meaning....   8)   Stick with da Monks....   
>: 
>: Note that I _don't_ put Spaten, PU (in spite of the green bottles :-)),
>: or DAB in that category (but none of them target Bud drinkers, which
>: Beck's (at least) does).
>
>I am afraid I can't grok your definition of "mass market beer anywhere in the
>world". PU is certainly mass market in Czechoslovakia and Germany by my
>definition (I bought half liters in Prague for the US equivalent of about $.30)
>When I lived in Germany I bought DAB as my everyday beer for not much more.

Sorry for not being clear.  I'm not saying that PU and DAB are not mass
market; I'm saying that I don't consider them in the same category as
Budmilloors (i.e., it was supposed to be a compliment to them :-)).

ted
-- 
Ted Goldblatt    ted@telematics.com     (305) 351-4367
    Telematics Intl., Inc.   Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: EKU and Spaten
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:55:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.231115.3870@inter-tel.com> wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg) writes:

	As an American, I've come to really enjoy  some of the German beers
   such as EKU and Spaten.  I am curious to hear from some Germans (or people
   who are knowledge about German culture) regarding the stature  of these
   brands within Germany.  Are they are mass produced  and  present  in most
   German bars (like Bud/Coors/Miller in American  bars)?   Do  most Germans 
   consider these brands excellent or are there other brands which are held 
   in higher regard?

On the basis of a few short trips to Germany, my impression is that most
bars in Germany carry only one brand, usually from one of the local 
breweries.  Spaten is one of the larger brewers in Munich, so if you
judge its reputation by its market share, it's highly regarded, but then
you'd have to admit Budmilloors as being highly regarded in the USA.  There
are certainly better beers to be had in Munich, but just like trying to
find good beer here, you have to choose your drinking establishment
carefully.  

I doubt there is any German analog of AB, Miller, or Coors, i.e., a 
brand that the vast majority of bars & restaurants carry.  The larger
brewers have some distribution outside of their home territory, but 
you may need to hunt around quite a bit to find bars that represent them.

This seems to be a major cultural difference between Europe and the US.
Europeans seem to have a very strong local identity, and tend to consume
mostly locally produced food and drink, while Americans buy their
food and drink mostly from huge corporations with nationwide (or 
international) distribution.  The recent proliferation of microbrews
is a move toward the European model, but our culture inhibits it -
note all the posts about distribution of Sam Adams, Celis, etc.  Success
in American business is not generally recognized until nationwide
distribution is achieved.

(I did, however, have my first taste of Andechs in a restaurant in
Freiburg.)


--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: fritz@triguy.East.Sun.COM (Steve Fritzinger - SE Sun Washington,DC.)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 28 Aug 1992 14:59:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article 1272@guvax.georgetown.edu, jsikking@guvax.georgetown.edu ( writes:	
>The strength of US beer is 3.2%, all beer imported and 
>brewed in the US must be 3.2%. 

This is incorrect.  There might be individual states which mandate
3.2% alcohol beer.  Before the drinking age was raised to 21,
Ohio (where I grew up) would sell 3.2 beer to people 18-20 years
old.  Stronger beer was available to those 21 and older.

Most industrial beers run in the 3.5 to 4.5% range.  For microbrews,
4.2 to 5.5 is typical, but they do vary quit a bit, and some styles
can even range into the low teens.

Steve Fritzinger   --  steve.fritzinger@East.Sun.COM
The First Rule of Holes:
When you're in one, stop digging.
From: leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How strong is U.S. beer - Serious [Re: Amount of Alcohol in U.S.
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:56:25 GMT

Neat list, but why do many of the beers have two figures listed?
Many of the beers that require two lines to describe have a figure
on both lines.  And they don't agree.

Mark
From: chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Paulaner....
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:15:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug25.160033.24170@menudo.uh.edu> mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>
>why don't you (chris) try the Oktoberfest, Salvator and 1634 (all
>made by Paulaner) which are also very good, but don't taste like
>the Hefe-Weizen at all.
>
>peace,
>-purna

I have tried the Oktoberfest.  In fact, it was the one I tried first.  And yes, I agree, it was great.  Definitely up on my list of favorites.  But then I tried
the Hefe-Weizen & was completely floored by the difference.  Anyway, I've been 
meaning to try the Salvator, & now that I've gotten a few good recommendations 
I'll give it a go ahead.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:16:35 GMT

>	I once had Grant's Scottish Ale (a microbrew from somewhere around
>the middle of the US) and thought it was quite nice and a good copy of the
>malty Scottish ales.  I had it a second time and was substantially less
>impressed.  I'm not sure what that means except that I'll probably have to
>try it a third time.  At any rate you might want to try it if you can find

Re Grant's:

Yakima, Washington the center of the US?  Hmmm...

Decent ale, I like the Imperial Stout (on tap).

Ben
bradley@reed.edu



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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Canadian pisswater (was: Beer/Brewing Periodicals?)
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:41:47 GMT
Distribution: usa, na, world
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


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From: calondis@meaddata.com (David Calondis)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Pete's
Keywords: pete pete's
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:38:23 GMT

In article <17hogqINNi8m@agate.berkeley.edu>, marko@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Nolte) writes:
|> I've recently become acquainted with Pete's Gold Coast Lager and
|> Pete's Wicked Ale.  I've noticed both brews received high marks
|> from some beer-rating group from Minnesota, and I must admit,
|> Pete's makes good stuff.  
|> 
|> Any information or opinions would be appreciated.
|> 
|> 
|> marko@ocf.berkeley.edu
|> 
|> 

Pete's Wicked Ale is one of my favorite ale's !!  I can pick up a 
six pack here for under $6, or a $1.89 for a 24oz (I think that is
the size).
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dickson@eskimo.celestial.com (Bill Dickson)
Subject: Re: Seattle Brewpubs
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:01:15 GMT

kgibsonkgibson@cxcad%decwrl.dec.com (Ken Gibson) writes:


>  I'm going to be vacationing in Seattle next week and want to be sure
to try
>some of the better brepubs.  Any recommendations?  (For some reason my
AAA
>Tourbook doesn't have a listing for any).

>Thanks

For a yuppie sort of experience, you could go to the Pacific NW Brewing
Co. in Pioneer Square downtown.  Beer's pretty good.  But my favorite
(so far) is the Big Time Brewery and Alehouse in the University
District.  I'd be happy to show you the place if you want, just send me
mail.

Bill D.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:37:22 GMT

In article 20049@fokus.gmd.de, mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:
>    i'll be in CA soon and want to know 
>which beers i should test and which i 
>should avoid to drink. i prefer bitter
>pils (no 'sweet' ones) like jever. thanx
>for any recommendations/warnings.

If you're going to be in the Bay Area, try Gordon Biersch.  The one in
Palo Alto is best; they are also located in San Francisco and San
Jose.

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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Superior
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:01:04 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Joe Konecny writes:
> 
> I have seen recent reference to Mexican beers.  How about Superior?  That's
> Mexican if I remember correctly.  It was good beer too, at least to me.
> Do any of you seasoned beer critics think it is good also?
> 

Superior has been my favorite Mexican beer for a long time.

This arouses my curiosity about something else. I was in the L.A. area about
1980, and had a beer named "XXX" (Tres Equis). I thought it was pretty good. As
the name implies, it was a stronger version of Dos Equis. I haven't seen this
brand since, not even when I spent three weeks travelling around Mexico last
winter. Anybody know anything about it?
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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
From: parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Paulaner....
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:34:34 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:

>avoid all WEIZENs! it's a kind of beer, not the
>name of this paulaner. similar pervert is
>berliner weisse (but you can drink it if you
>mix it with syrup, BW has 'no' alcohol, btw.).

	I would not equate a Berliner Weisse with Weis Bier.  The only
similarity is the name.  And BW does have alcohol, but it's probably less
than normal, especially with the syrup dilution.

	Prosit!
		-m.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg)
Subject: EKU and Spaten
Reply-To: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
Organization: Inter-tel, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:11:15 GMT

     As an American, I've come to really enjoy  some of the German beers such
as EKU and Spaten.  I am curious to hear from some Germans (or people who are
knowledge about German culture) regarding the stature  of these brands within
Germany.  Are they are mass produced  and  present  in most German bars (like
Bud/Coors/Miller in American  bars)?   Do  most Germans consider these brands
excellent or are there other brands which are held in higher regard?


Thanks,

Greg Wohlenberg
Inter-tel, Inc.
Chandler, Arizona, U.S.A.
wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Re: Beer Strength in the U.S.A.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:11:10 GMT

jsikking@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:


>		The strength of US beer is 3.2%, all beer imported and 
>brewed in the US must be 3.2%.  If it is not 3.2% it is considered 
>something else (e.i. Malt liquor 5.2%, etc.).  The reason for this is 
>that at the end of Prohibition the Constitutional Admendment that 
>repealed it stated that beer of 3.2% could be brewed in the boarders 
>of the US.  We can all thank FDR for this and many other bills he 
>passed.  Before I get conterdicted you can have beer that is less then 
>3.2%, but the most powerful beer can only be 3.2%.  If you have a beer 
>that is stronger then 3.2%, such as Uerbock (sp) 23, it may only be 
>served by a placed licened to serve hard alcohol.

I hate to be inflamitory, but this is COMPLETELY wrong.  Not one factual
statement has been made in the above paragraph.

Liquor laws in the US vary from state to state.  A FEW states require
anything labeled "beer" to be <= 3.2% by weight, which is around 4%
by volume.  In more states, the lower limit for what can be called
"beer" is 6% by volume.  Other states, my home state of Colorado
for example, have no such restrictions.

The 21st amendment, the repeal of prohibition, has no such restrictions.
Here it is in full:

			ARTICLE XXI.

Repeal of the Eighteenth  Amendment by Conventions in the States.

Section 1- The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2- The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or
Possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating
liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

Section 3-This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified
as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as
provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the sub-
mission hereof to the States by the Congress.

[End of Quote; this came from Webster's Unabrideged]

The only regulation mentioned is that of making it a federal offense to
import booze into a state against that state's laws.

Most microbreweries in the US produce beer of 4% and higher, and get
away most places calling it "beer".

The one really silly beer related law that IS in effect nationwide
is that making it illegal to explicitly state the alcohol content on
the lable.  This is to protect us, the brainless public, from going
out and drinking beer irresponsibly.

It is also illegal NOT to lable the alcohol content of booze and wine.
Why this will not inspire us to go out and drink booze and wine
irresponsibly is something you'll have to ask your Senators and
Representatives.

Jon Binkley

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 21:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.212223.7780@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.182057.7721@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James "Chokin' the Chicken" Chokey) writes:
>
	Haven't heard that one since, oh, sixth grade or so . . . 

>>	My main reccomendation for beer in the Bay Area is the Triple Rock
>>Brewery in Berkeley.  Truly great stuff.
>
>I agree with you wholeheartedly on GB, drinkable beer but poor
>atmosphere.  But I gotta come down like a ton 'o bricks on Triple
>Rock-- I hate that place!  You'd be hard-pressed to find more
>unremarkable beer in any brewpub in this country.  Not really bad
>beer, but I can't say it has a single thing going for it.  Any one of
>the Tied Houses' brews would kick the shit out of anything at Triple
>Rock.  Not to mention the fact that the place is THE frat-boy-bastard
>hangout of UC Berkeley, full of unsavoury characters...
>

	Are you sure you're not thinking of the Bison Brewing company, which
is on Telegraph (just across from the Blue Nile)?  Their brews, while 
drinkable, are eminently uninteresting and it (like Triple Rock) does seem to 
be a bit of a frat hangout.  I can see how Triple Rock  might not appeal to 
people who like really strong or flavorful beers, but their beer can hardly be
called "unremarkable".  I've known a few people who only like light lagers to 
disparage the place, but I've never before heard anyone say that they
make boring beer.
	TR admittedly does attract a frat crowd on the weekends, but if you
go on weeknights it's not too bad.  I'd take it over the Palo Alto Gordon
Biersch any day.  And try finding anywhere in Berkeley that isn't full of 
unsavoury characters . . . ;-)  

> [my comments on Dead Cat Ale and the Monterrey Brewing company omitted]
>
>You sure hit both of these right, though.  DOUBLE BLECH!

	I know a lot of beer drinkers who have heavy disagreements about
virtually every sort of beer, but I have never met a single person who 
actually liked either of these.  These may be the universal, absolute
bad California beers.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>


Newsgroups: alt.beer,soc.culture.canada,can.politics,sfu.general
From: marc@meadow.uucp (Marc Riehm)
Subject: Re: Labatts/Molsons up beer prices 2.5% because of wet Ontario summer
Reply-To: marc@meadow.UUCP (Marc Riehm)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:54:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.014756.15130@mprgate.mpr.ca> mcvey@mpr.ca (Iain McVey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.184117.1454@rosedale.uucp> dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes:
>>Another interesting thing in this story is that these companies are
>>behaving like *monopolists*.  Nobody else reacts to a sagging
>>market by *raising* prices!  It's certain death in a competitive
>>environment.  Are these companies guaranteed a certain percentage
>>of all beer sales?  Otherwise, all that raising prices would do is
>>reduce their market share more.  (I am operating, of course, on the
>>assumption that mass-produced national beers are fungible and therefore
>>an area of perfect competition - the products are indistinguishable for
>>all practical purposes from their competiton.)
>
>What about gasoline?

In Ontario there is (usually) good competition in the gasoline market.  Price
wars are common (actually, when I was in B.C. in May, there was a price war
there, too -- I hadn't seen gas that cheap for years!).  While I'm no great
lover of big oil companies, they haven't been doing well for a couple of
years -- they've been losing money at the pumps.

When's the last time you can remember a beer price war :)?
-- 
Marc Riehm      Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
                2000 Argentia Road, Plaza 2, Suite 300
                Mississauga, Ont.   L5N 1V8
marc@meadow.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: czarbock@cc.uq.oz.au (Carol Zarbock)
Subject: How strong is U.S. beer - Serious [Re: Amount of Alcohol in U.S. beer]
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:14:21 GMT

I would like to ask a question regarding the strength of American (i.e.
U.S.) beer. If possible I would appreciate email replies simultaneous
with posting replies as I am using a friend's account and will not
be able to read the news for about three weeks after posting this.

Question:
What is the strength of American beer as normally sold?

I understand that it varies from state to state - is this true?
If so what are the various strengths in different states?
[My paticular interests are Michigan and Nebraska, but a general
survey might be very interesting.]

Why is the strength never marked on the cans/bottles when
purchased from an Off-licence/Bottle-shop/Liquor Store? 

Regards,

Nils.


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