HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Ralphie
Originator: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:40:48 GMT

>Nabil,

>Please tell me which article it was, and what the content was.
>This was debated for quite a while, with quite a bit of sources.
>I can get some of the old copies.  But some facts about the Mufti
>are quite well established and accepted.


Danny and Leon

I lost track of the articles, there were many of them. I would like to 
argue this subject when I do more research on it later on.

>Also, please tell me who you are comparing with Ralphie.

"Ralphie", if this is his real name, is a person who is trying to use 
scientific arguments and quotes from other people to prove that the 
Holocaust did not happen. This obviously angered a lot of you. 
I will not comment on the rest of his article simply because we 
already argued about one part before, The history of Palestine, and
my ignorance about the rest of the article.

So, what I was trying to point out is that one should not rely on an 
author "X" who wrote this, and There is a picture of Hitler and the Mufti.
One can argue, there was a picture of Chamberlin and Hitler too... Also
at the time when there was massive immigration from Germany to Palestine,
it is very possible that the Mufti asked Hitler to stop the immigration.
I don't know, don't quote me on this -- I am just guessing.

Keep in mind, that Hitler thought that people from the third world are
useless and they waste the earth resources by simply filling their 
stomach. So at that time, nobody was fooled by Hitler's motives and I
don't think any Middle Eastern would have supported him. 

I don't have faith in my E-mail. That is why I posted this reply on 
scj instead of returning your E-mail

Nabil
From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Samuel Reshevsky 1911-1992
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:30:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr7.193024.26598
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Apr07.181250.9254@ima.isc.com> trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum) writes:
>I copy the following from rec.games.chess.  I don't have any factual
>information on Reshevsky handy.  He was a champion chessplayer since
>his childhood, and he remained an active world-class chess player until
>his death.  He was well known and respected as a great American chess
>grandmaster who was a strictly observant Jew.
>
>	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474
>
>Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
>From: helios!intercal.com!hwr@tssi.com (Hanon W. Russell)
>Subject: Samuel Reshevsky 1911-1992
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:48:42 GMT
>
>It is with a sense of profound sadness and loss that we regret to
>report that on Saturday evening April 4, 1992 one of the greatest
>American Grandmasters ever, Samuel Reshevsky, passed away. He died
>after suffering a massive heart attack while attending services
>in synagogue. He was eighty years old.

Some more information on Samuel Reshevsky:  

Reshevsky was born in Poland, but emigrated to the US very early on in
his life (can't remember the year exactly).  He was a child prodigy, and
during his first decade went on tours of Europe exhibiting his skill.
During the 1930s-1950s, he was either the top or second-ranked American
player in any given year (the other, until his retirement from
top-flight chess in 1948, was Reuben Fine, who is also Jewish).
Reshevsky is one of the top four or five chessplayers never to have held
the World Championship title (along with Fine, David Bronstein, Paul
Keres, and Victor Korchnoi).  His list of tournament successes is far
too long to quote.

Reshevsky played in strong international tournaments very nearly up
until his death; only after he entered his sixth decade (e.g. the 1970s)
did his strength decline somewhat.  His contributions to chess theory
were tremendous, and his gracious conduct at chess tournaments was often
commented on, from what I've read.

Reshevsky was a very observant Jew; he refused to play any tournament
games on Shabbat (for those interested, there is an interesting anecdote
concerning him and Bobby Fischer and playing on Shabbat during the
Sousse Interzonal of 1967).  For many years, he resided in Spring
Valley, New York.

-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman  <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> or <eric@lyra.Colorado.EDU> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Valid Interpretation Flamefest (sigh!)
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:02:00 GMT


 warren@nysernet.ORG (Warren Burstein) writes:
> I've wondered, and perhaps this is a good time to do it out loud, why
> it's called patrilineal descent.  To my mind PD would be to say that
> the child is Jewish if and only if the father is, just as MD means the
> child is Jewish IFF the mother is.   What R does is neither, it
> defines a new status, perhaps called "presumption of being Jewish" and
> places children who have one Jewish parent in this group.  I don't
> know just what it should be called, but perhaps it ought to have the
> word egalitarian in the name?

Perhaps parrilineal descent would be more egalitarian.  And you know how
much I respect egalitarianism!

> Please not that I am not debating the wisdom of the policy (but I'm
> sure someone else will :-( ) just asking why it's called what it is.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whom did you have in mind?

-Don Gertler


(No, I'm not answering my own question)
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Questions About Uncleanliness
Keywords: unclean menstruation
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:20:36 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway

In <23593@scorn.sco.COM> jcohen@sco.COM (Jon Cohen) writes:

>1) Is being unclean equal to or similar to being bad?
>   Is uncleanliness--for example, the uncleanliness of
>   a menstruating woman--a kind of sin, or something the
>   "unlcean" person should feel ashamed about?

Certainly not, although it is possible to get that impression.  For
that reason I prefer not to translate "tahor" and "tameh".  A women
who has recently given birth is tameh, is there anything bad about
that?  Also, burying the dead is a mitzvah, but doing so makes one
tameh.
-- 
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From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Learn the law, Mark! Re: NOT ALL SPEECH IS PROTECTED!
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:26:09 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr13.191951.12580@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
>   There are many ways to look at this KKK situation.  On the one
>hand, the first amendment was written to protect speech that some
>people might not like.  But there is some speech that is outside the
>protection of the first amendment.  

Slander, shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, and one or two others.
Not much.

>Threats are not protected.  

Yes they are, at least most of them.

>As a
>matter of fact, some threats fall under the category of assault.  One
>does not have to be physically assailed to have been assaulted.  That
>is battery.  

You don't have to be physically touched, but unless you're blind,
there has to be a physical action connected to the threat. If someone
comes up to you and says, "I am going to kill you" without moving,
it's not assault. If he says the same thing while holding a pistol
pointed at you, or walking toward you in a menacing fashion, it is.

>If a skinhead approches me, wearing swastikas sewn to his
>leather jacket, and I am wearing a kippah(Jewish skull cap), I would
>feel threatened.  If he made a racial remark to me, some legal minds
>have suggested that this constitutes assault.  

Then the legal minds in question (and I am dubious that they exist --
citations, please) are out of their gourds. That is not the way the
assault and battery laws have ever been interpreted by the court.

>If the Klan decides to
>burn a cross in a location with a high African American population, a
>reasonable person might perceive this as a threat.  A deliberate threat
>can be considered assault.  

No; a deliberate threat that gives someone concrete reason to believe
it's about to be carried out can be considered assault. If it's only
spoken, you can consider it whatever you want until you are blue in
the face, and the court will still laugh you out of the room.

>By logical extention, this would NOT be a
>protected form of speech.

Yes it is, in that there is not and cannot be a criminal penalty for
it. Assault of this kind (as opposed to criminal assault, which *does*
have to involve a physical attack -- battery is not a criminal concept
in itself, so assault in a criminal context effectively means the same
thing that battery does under tort law) is not a criminal act and they
cannot send anyone to jail for it. It's a civil rule that you can sue
someone over if you want to, and if the court agrees with you they'll
have to pay you damages. That's all.

I advise you to take a look at one of the civics and basic law books
that are available for non-lawyers. Meanwhile, be careful about what
you post.

	-Nora


-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: richf@comet.base.bellcore.com (Rich Farenci)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Yom Ha Shoah
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:48:09 GMT
Reply-To: richf@cosmos.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research


for those of you in the new jersey area there are a number of community
holocaust programs and events in the weeks of remembrance (april 22 -
may 4).

	South Orange - Maplewood Interfaith Holocaust Remembrance
	Wednesday, april 22, 7pm, a march from South Orange Village and
	7:30 Program at Congregation Beth El, 222 Irvington Ave.,
	South Orange, keynote speaker: Cornelia S. Jacobsen a member
	of the German parliament and adviser to Chancellor Kohl.

	49th Anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, Sunday, april 26, 
	1pm Jacob Javitz Center, 655 W 34th Street New York City.

	Liberation Monument Commemoration and Remembrance, Sunday
	april 26, 2pm, Liberty State Park. keynote speaker: Rose
	Therling.

	Community Holocasut Remembrance Program Sunday April 26
	at 7:30pm at temple Adath Shalom (18 Thompson Ave.) in Dover,
	NJ, keynote speaker: Leo Laufer, a holocaust survivor. 
	For more info call the office of MetroWest at (201) 366-3113 
	or the temple at (201) 366-0179.

	New Jersey State Holocaust Remembrance Program, Tueday, april 28,
	12 noon at New Jersey State House, State Street, Trenton, NJ.
	Gov. Jim Florio will speak.

	Second generation Community Commemoration, Tuesday, april 28,
	7:30pm at Congregation Agadeth Israel, 20 Academy road, Caldwell
	NJ, keynote speakers: Murray Pantirer and Bety Schwartz. The film
	"Kitty Return to Auschwitz" will be shown.

	Summit Community Yom Ha Shoah Program, Wednesday, april 29,
	7:30pm. Temple Sinai, Summit Ave. Summit, NJ, keynote speaker:
	Peppy Margolis "Challenges of Holocaust Education".
	

	For more information about these or other programs you can
	contact the office of the United Jewish Federation of MetroWest
	at (201) 366-3113.


Rich Farenci
From: haneins@acf3.nyu.edu (Shirley Hanein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: judaism and environmentalism
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:16:11 GMT
Organization: New York University

hi,

i'm in the environmental ed program at nyu. one of the profs in the
department teaches a course called *ideas of nature*. he is looking for
information on how judaism deals with the environment.

can anyone help? 

thanks in advance,
shirley hanein 

haneins@acf3.nyu.edu
haneins@acfcluster.nyu.edu
sqh6083@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.200532.23604@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
>I don't have any particularly strong opinions on the ethical aspects of
>the matter. But aren't there more clever -- and more effective --
>themes for a counter-demonstration than just drowning the bastards out? 

Nothing like a little constructive criticism, eh? :-)

So make a suggestion, Lenore! You might have a hard time finding
something preferable.

A good sheet burning might be effective, but somehow I think it'd be
less popular.


--Mark
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From: moochie@camelot.bradley.edu (Melissa Koontz)
Subject: Thank You
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date:  8 Apr 92 00:54:55 GMT


    I would like to thank everyone who responded to my posts here.
Due to local system problems I have been have difficulty in
responding promptly to all those I would like to thank.


					Thank you,

						Melissa Koontz


	Was tun ein Man, Wenn ein Man kann tun kein?

moochie@camelot.bradley.edu             Adelind von Rosenberg
--
	Was tun ein Man, Wenn ein Man kann tun kein?

moochie@camelot.bradley.edu             Adelind von Rosenberg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Correction: Chalav Yisrael Post
From: weller1@agri.huji.ac.il
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:05:19 IST
Distribution: world

In article <odtRA3u00WBKE3YoZ_@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sandy Bodzin <sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
> In my post  on this topic I wrote:
>
>>This claim is just as absurd.  I've spent many hours supervising
> milking (for >Chalav Yisrael)  and milking does not take place in a farm.
>                                                        ^^^^^
>
> What I meant to write was that milking does not take place in a
> grain-strewn barn as Yechezkal Gutfriend implies.
> ^^^^
>
> Sandy
Dear sandy,
i a very sorry, but you are not right, i 1. am a farmer 2. a agricultural
engenieer, and in many countries the milking took place in a grain strewn farm.
additionally in modern, computerized farms the cows get the grains during the
milking by a feeding computer who is linked to the milking computer, so you
will have real chametz at a milking place.
ariel

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mer@zurich.ibm.com
Subject: Re: calendar drift
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 15:36:52 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <NACHUM.92Apr6093449@dershowitz.cs.uiuc.edu>  nachum@dershowitz.cs.uiuc.edu (Nachum Dershowitz) writes:
>
> The errors are all in one direction: the Hebrew calendar gives as the mean
> length of the tropical year 365.2468 days, instead of 365.2422.  So, the
> difference accumulates and will eventually be enough to make a one-month
> correction.
>

So it would take more than 6000 years for the error to exceed 1 month and about
12-18000 years to put Pesach out of the spring time.

Thus, Hillel's elegant system was more than accurate enough to last until
Kidush Hachodesh is resumed by Sanhedrin after Moshiach's coming.

Moshe Rappoport
From: david.lloyd-jones@rose.com (david lloyd-jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: explanation of the eg
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:54:39 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.2)


Date Entered: 04-14-92 10:50
Replying to: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
BO>Subject: Re: explanation of the eg

BO>In article <1992Apr9.1659.8671@execnet>, ken.halfon@execnet.com (ken halfon)
BO>|>     I was wondering if anyone had an explanation of the symbolism of the
BO>|> egg on the Seder plate?

BO>This is yet another example to the gentile influence on Judaism: This is
BO>the Pesach Egg (analogous to the "Hanuka bush"), though it is not painted
BO>(this tradition is postponed till LAG BAOMER). The bunny was kept off as
BO>it is not Kosher, but the old man is expected to hop in (though he prefers
BO>the door to the chimney :-).


I was wondering whether things went the other way: is there a
connection, in either direction, between the Easter-egg hunt and the
search for chametz?

                                           -dlj.
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israeli Visa Stamps in Passport
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:41:18 GMT
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department

In article <1992Mar31.122236.28445@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude) writes:
>In article <1992Mar30.181431.1764@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz) writes:
>[...]
>>The helpful folks at the Israeli Embassy told me that they're
>>willing to stamp visas on a page separate from one's passport,
>[...]
>
>There was an interesting letter to the editor of the travel section
>in Sunday "New York Times" of 03/29. In the letter, the person expressed
>his exasperation at having requested of the Israeli customs agent
>something like this and then watching as the the official nodded
>"agreement", but stamped the passport anyway.

I recall reading something, perhaps an op-ed piece in the NY Times
recently.  It mentioned that separate passports were available for
people who travel to Israel, so that stamps could be made in different
passports.  The writer then suggested that separate passports should
really be issued not to people who travel to Israel, which isn't 
really a problem for the vast majority of the world, but should be
issued to people who travel to ARAB states, which are the ones having
problems with travelers to Israel.

Isn't it odd that Jews are sitting back and taking this insult virtually
without complaint?  Or is it traditional?

-- 
Jake Livni
jake@bony1.bony.com
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:41:30 GMT
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics

In article <FAIGIN.92Apr6141839@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>Speaking of K l'P Hechshers.... My wife noticed in the store yesterday some of
>the special coconut covered K l'P marshmallows. Since we normally pick up
>stuff like that for me (since it has no corn syrup), she picked up a bag.
>Reading the ingredients -- what did we find -- corn syrup. The plastic bag was
>special for passover, there was no and/or in the list, and the rabbi's name
>was germanic (so it was unlikely the sephardic allowance for kitniot was
>coming into play).
>

This may or may be relevant, but I did see a letter from the Chicago Rabbinical
Council in one of the local stores which said the following:  Some k-4-p soda
pop is being sold with year-round labels, meaning that corn syrup is listed
among the ingrediants.  Nonetheless, there is no kitniyot, ignore the labels.


-- 
Bill Coleman
From: buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: What is the Haftorah on Saturday (April 4)?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:24:30 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science

In article <1992Apr6.032019.14269@gagme.chi.il.us> dattier@gagme.chi.il.us (David W. Tamkin) writes:
>
>I think the one thing everyone agrees on is that if 1 Tishri falls on
>Shabbat, not only does Ma`aseh Channah supersede HaShamayim Kis'i but
>one does not add Isaiah 66:1 and 66:23 after it.

To the best of my knowledge, 1 Tishrei is not Rosh Chodesh.  Therefore,
none of the R"Ch minhagim are relevant.

 - Aliza
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: explanation of the eg
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Apr13.232140.8005@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
boaz@lcs.mit.edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.1659.8671@execnet>, ken.halfon@execnet.com (ken
>halfon) writes:

>|>     I was wondering if anyone had an explanation of the symbolism of the
>|> egg on the Seder plate?
>
>This is yet another example to the gentile influence on Judaism: This is
>the Pesach Egg (analogous to the "Hanuka bush"), though it is not painted
>(this tradition is postponed till LAG BAOMER). The bunny was kept off as
>it is not Kosher, but the old man is expected to hop in (though he prefers
>the door to the chimney :-).
>
>     _  ___  |_  ___      \ | |_      ____ __  _ ___  ___ ____ __  _
>      |    |   |  | |     |\|   |     |  |   | |  | | , |  | |   |  |
>      | ___|  /  _| |     | \  /      |__| | |   _| | |/   | | __|_ |
>                                                      |
>( Vayikra 18:3 . Apropos -- the very same chapter discusses another recent
>  thread on scj (see PASUK 22), suggesting this is also MEMINHAGEY HAGOYIM )
>
>-- Boaz
>

It is written in the Talmud :

 YESH CHOCHMA BAGOYIM - TAAMIN  !

 (If one tells you ) "There is a wisdom among gentiles - belive him"

Boaz , according the vers he cires , is very carefull not to follow
gentiles' habits - so he does not follow the gentiles' habbit
expressed in the Talmudic statement I cited.

 The egg symbolizes the Hagiga sacrify. That Sacrify was eaten befor
the passover lamb in order not to eat the lamb while one is hungry.

 Hag Sameach


    Gideon Ehrlich     EREZ YISRAEL
From: moskowit@tronsbox.UUCP (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Equality again
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:23:19 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <9204061259.AA20929@relay1.UU.NET>
MASH@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni) writes:

>This brings  us back to the  inequality of the Halakha  as shown here.
>If  the patient  would have  been the  husband, no  Orthodox Rabbinate
>would have allowed  a second marriage.  Inequality is  inherent in any
>rigidly frozen religion.

Michael, we know you have a relatively secular outlook but that's no
reason to be so curmudgeonly.  Perhaps there are reasons you and I
don't understand why G-d allows a man to potentially have more than
one wife while a woman may only have one husband?  From the very
little Torah that I've studied, there seem to be some very fundamental
reasons (which of course you'll reject).

In any case, in the event of an unhappy marriage or serious
debilitating illness, the court and the couple can arrange a divorce
so that the woman can remarry.
-- 


Len Moskowitz
moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Re: Halacha of US $
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:56:21 GMT

On 17 Apr 92 02:46:41 GMT, friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
said: 

> It stated that an Orthodox Rabbi in Bnai B'rak has decided that pious Jews
> are not allowed to bring US dollar bills into the bathroom with them.  The
> given reason is that "In G-d We Trust" is written on them.

> Has anyone read this (I misplaced it)?  

It also appeared in the Los Angeles Times, in a small box on page 14 (or so)
in Thursday's edition. Struck me as yet another tidbit of "News of the Wierd",
alas. I guess those who ply their trade in restrooms will have to accept
American Express; no cash. And what about pay phones in restrooms?

Actually, what the artice said was that you were not to expose U.S. money in
restrooms; you could have it with you, but must keep it in your pockets.

Daniel
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