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From: Greg_Bastow@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Greg Bastow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Drive Slow down
Distribution: world
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:33:46 PST
Organization: Tunnel Vision BBS!

This question is really aimed at all the SCSI Guru's out there :-)
 
I have a few drives hooked upto my Amiga 3000. A Wren 6 (630 Mb), a Wren 4
(320 Mb), a Quantum 210 and a Quantum 52Lps. Now I have run speed tests on
my system and I getting significantly slower results than I believe I
should be 

[This test on the Q52]

--------------
Reselection is ON for ALL drives, and the re-connect bit in both Quantums
is set - from TurboQuantum.

 
System: 68030 68882 FastROM (INST: Cache NoBurst) (DATA: Cache NoBurst)

MKSoft DiskSpeed 4.1  Copyright  1989-91 MKSoft Development
------------------------------------------------------------
CPU: 68030  OS Version: 37.175  Normal Video DMA
Device:  work:    Buffers: 30
Comments: DiskSpeed 4.1

CPU Speed Rating: 1372

Testing directory manipulation speed.
File Create:           23 files/sec  |  CPU Available: 68%
File Open:             73 files/sec  |  CPU Available: 37%
Directory Scan:       168 files/sec  |  CPU Available: 42%
File Delete:          150 files/sec  |  CPU Available: 30%

Testing with a 262144 byte, MEMF_FAST, LONG-aligned buffer.
Create file:       663255 bytes/sec  |  CPU Available: 82%
Write to file:     973306 bytes/sec  |  CPU Available: 85%
Read from file:   1039480 bytes/sec  |  CPU Available: 86%

--------------

      Ok...now these results are _bad_ but shouldn't they be a LOT better.
Do the number of devices hanging off of the SCSI bus slow down data
transfer/seek times to and from a single device?
 
     I recall reading in an article written by Dave Haynie, that the SCSI-1
implimentation in the A3000 can take a burst of upto 4MB a second in
data-transfer rates - what would it take to get such a data-burst accross
the bus? as I have _never_ seen any specs above about 1.4Mb from DiskSpeed
4.1. 
 
 


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From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: VXL030 and wb2.0
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:31:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr15.171958.5803@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> aali@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (ALI) writes:
>
>I got my VXL030 back from repair today (over a month and half of waiting). 
>However, when I try and use it in WB2.0 mode, the screen goes red and 
>everything locks up. I can`t CNTRL-A-A reset the thing either. 
>I have a ROM switcher, so I can revert back to WB1.3. The VXL seems to work 
>fine in this mode.
>	When I spoke to a chap at the repair place a few weeks back, he said that he 
>was waiting for new boards from the US which were comaptible with WB2.0. 
>Apperently the older ones weren`t.
>	So have I been given a dud board again, or is the compatibility still not 
>sorted out?


>
>Al.
Well, my board works fine with WB2.04.  So I guess that you don't have a 
compatible board.>
>ps. Any news on when the 32bit RAM reaches our shores?
It's gotta reach our's first :)
From: mblair@hydra.acs.uci.edu (Mark Blair)
Subject: Re: A1000 hardware mystery
Summary: It's for a TV modulator
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: UC Irvine Office of Academic Computing
Keywords: A1000 video TV modulator DIN
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:55:57 GMT

In article <1=zjq0k.damiel@netcom.com> damiel@netcom.com
  (Paul Theodoropoulos) writes:
>I just gave away one of my old A1000's to a friend of mine who lives
[...]
>on the back of the machine, between the Composite video out and the
>23 pin RGB out, there was a medium sized round DIN connector, with
>a tv screen "icon" above it, with a blank screen area (the composite
[...]
>i'm curious what type of output this is. my friend doesn't have a

That connector is for an external TV modulator, allowing you to
display your Amiga's video on a television that doesn't have a
composite video input. I'm not sure if Commodore actually marketed
such a modulator for the A1000. In case anybody is interested, here is
the pin assignment of the connector, according to an old A1000 repair
manual, and a cheesy ASCII picture of the connector. The "U" at the
top is supposed to be the notch on the edge of the connector:

      Pin   Function
     -----------------------                     ___________
      2,5   ground                              /     U     \
       3    left audio                         /  8       7  \
       4    composite video                   |       6       |
       7    +12V                              |  3         1  |
       8    Audio right                        \   5     4   /
      1,6   No connection?                      \     2     /
                                                 -----------
>-- 
>paul theodoropoulos                                         damiel@netcom.COM

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy)
Subject: Re: High Density Floppy Drive - still more questions
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 19:18:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Center

In article <10242@inews.intel.com>, rtrevino@leupp.intel.com (Roy Trevino) writes:
|> 
|> Ok, so lucky me, I have the new high density floppy in my new A3000T.
|> So far I have had no problems using this thing as a 1.76mB drive.
|> It works great for ordinary applications, but what about the unordinary?
|> 
|> Basically three questions (with sub-questions :-)...
|> 
|> 1)  How to get bru (ie hdbackup) to recognize and use the extra room
|> for doing backups.  Bru seems to use its own format and only stores
|> 880k.  I tried fiddling with brutab but the only result was read/write
|> errors during the backup.  Should I even be trusting this drive for backups
|> in the first place?  Is there another backup utility I can use instead?

I gave up and bought a tape drive for $250. (Computer Surplus has them)

|> 2)  How to make a high density RAD: disk equivalent (ie what parameters
|> to change in the mountlist) so I can do diskcopies back and forth to it.

The only ting that I have done is use the "fastdisk" copiers but they only see the
drive as a 880KB disk.

|> 3)  If anyone has gotten multidos, crossdos, msh, etc to work with it
|> to be able to read 1.44 mB pc disks?  (I think this was already asked, but
|> I never saw a response).

Use CrossDOS 4.01a and they work fine.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: DONT Do GRAPEVINE (was Re: Amiga Mail Order Places)
From: geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz (Geoff McCaughan)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 00:07:01   M
Organization: The Equinox Network CHCH NZ (Node SATORI)

sdk@math.ufl.edu (Steven D. Kuck) writes:

> On this page is a chart of the MC68000 family chips, with a grid for 
> package designation and operating frequency.  On line one, the MC68000 is 
> listed as having 8,10,12, AND 16 mHz versions.
> 	Note: there is no 14 mHz version, you must use the 16 mHz version.

12 MHz 68000's work fine at 14MHz, at least all the ones I've tried have
worked. I've run something like 20 12MHz 68000's at this speed with no
failures.

| Geoff - Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406 (4 Lines)
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From: Gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit_Heitsch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: MFM HD controller
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:56:29 MET
Distribution: world
Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site)

In article <3720@tuegate.tue.nl>, Hennes Passmann writes:

> Note that an ONTI-controller is >>HARD<< to get, other controllers might work
> but at least one not-omti does not.
The Seagate ST11M and ST11R should work too, but they are slower than
OMTIs. Some months after the original project using the OMTI 5520
the german magazine c't suggested to use a ST11R/M if you cannot
get a OMTI.
 
You need an interleave of 4 if you want to use a ST11R and 3 for
a ST11M.

> If you find any controllers other than the omti that do work please mail us

Hope it helps
 Gerrit


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From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Imtronics HC 500
X-Organization: CryoCafe BBX 503/257-4823
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:28:25 PDT
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR

 
Does anyone have (or even remember) the Imtronics Hurricane 500 68020
board?
 
I have had one for a couple of years, and it works fine.  I had eight
256Kx4 DRAMs on the board (there are only 8 sockets provided for ram)
which gave me 1 meg of 32 bit memory.  When I got the board, the manual
stated that you could use 1Megx4 DRAMs to give you 4 megs of 32 bit
memory.  
 
Since I recently moved (and just happen to acquire eight 1megx4 DRAMs), I
have been unable to find my manual on how to make the full 4 megs visable
to the system.  When I installed the 1megx4's, I still get only 1 meg of
memory according to the HurricaneConfig (v2.0).
 
Does anyone have one of these jewels with the 4 megs installed?  If so,
what is needed to get it to access it?
 
Thanks for you input!

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                (602) 680-9004      (602) 680-9006
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon (wasn't: Amiga Falcon)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <torrie.702415179@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>>>the Macintosh IIfx reads from memory, the first access takes 6 clock
>>>cycles. The next 3 reads are performed at 3 clock cycles each.  This
>>>is referred to as 6 3 3 3 burst reads."

>  Am I missing something?  Isn't (6+3+3+3) * 1/40 * 10^-6 = 375ns?  

Oh yeah, my mistake -- I was thinking 30ns, not 25ns.  

>The IIci has 5 2 2 2 burst reads by the way.

I figured as much, once I read they supported burst.  They tend to benchmark 
close to the speed of an A3000 (around 8000 Dhrystone 2.1's), I figured any 
differences could be explained by OS/system overhead or compiler differences.

>  My mistake!  I meant to write page mode writes (which the IIci doesn't
>have).  Sorry for that.

Some kind of page-detection scheme?  The A3000 supports that too, though we
didn't find it enhanced CPU performance in any measurable way, at least under
AmigaOS.

>  Apple got a lot of flak for using the different SIMM in the IIfx.  They've
>dropped back to the original design in the Quadras, mainly I guess because
>with a write-back cache on-chip, the zero wait-state write to main memory
>was not deemed worth the effort.

I think the real point is that when you're using an '040 in copyback mode, most 
of your writes are bursts.  A single write-latch-per-bank won't get you
much of anywhere, and support for burst write is more important than write
latching anyway, performance-speaking (sure, you'd like both, but a full cache
line write latch would be expensive without some custom buffering hardware).

-- 
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From: gwalborn@flash.cs.pitt.edu (Gary Walborn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Having problems with Digifex Multiport board
Keywords: DigiFex, Multiport, Serial
Date: 5 Apr 92 20:05:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

HELP!

	I have a Digifex Multiport board on my A3000.  I can't seem to get the
serial ports working (using the cmiser.device) on the 3000.  The same board
and software work fine on my A2000!   The parallel port works fine with
cprintr.device.  Is anyone using this board successfully on the 3000?
If so, please send EMail as I would like to compare configurations and
versions!

Thanks in advance,

Gary D. Walborn <gwalborn@cs.pitt.edu>
From: jgallego@pnet01.cts.com (Jose Gallego)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: SCSI Switch
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:16:51 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon CA

dsg6397@cs.rit.edu (David S Greenberg) writes:
>
>	Since I haven't heard of a 50 pin header type A/B Switch, I
>could:
>
>	1) Convert the ends of each bus (Amiga, IBM, and Tape Drive to
>	   25 pin type and use a regular 25 pin A/B switch (But I
>	   haven't seen any such cables...(header type to 25 pin) ... anyone
>           have the correct pinouts??
>
>		Any comments and or help would be appreciated...

I have a Bernoulli 88 which is shared between between my Amiga 3000 and the
Bridgeboard via a AB switch box.

I haven't had any problems.  When I want to used the Bernoulli with the Amiga
I just remove the Disk, flip the switch, insert the Bernoulli disk (amiga
formatted) and use SCSIMounter (by Martin A. Blatter) to mount it.  That is
all.

Jose.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin)
Subject: Re: Help needed with memory problem
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:01:30 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

When I called the GVP Tech Services about the read/write errors on my GVP II
and Quantum combo, here is what they told me;

Jumper J-15 on the GVP board should be set for motherboards older than 4.5.
Without this resistor, you may see random gurus with extra memory installed on
the GVP (The HC+8 boards only and not all of the HC+8 GVPs have J-15).  This
jumper was not mentioned in the manual I had.  It is located close to the
SIMM sockets and about halfway down from the top of the board.

Setting this jumper fixed the memory problems but not the read/write errors 
to the hard drive.  If anyone is having memory or hard drive errores on a 
GVP HC+8 and a rev 4.x motherboard, I have a file with the mods required to 
fix the problem.  Email me if you want a copy.

  ____       ____ 
 |   / /_  __\   | * Dave Martin 
 |  ( / / /_/ )  | * Hewlett Packard  
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From: Malfera@cup.portal.com (Dan M Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Amiga World mentioned....
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:19:40 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In the Dec. 91 issue of AW on page 38 it has a breif mention of the
HiQ tower.  It's mostly just a description and has a little bit on
installation, but the part that caught my eye was..."What sets it apart
from other products of it's ilk is it's promise to accomodate a Video
Toaster or any other board requiring a video slot."
Hope it helps..
From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: mouse port probs
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:00:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <ronald.04h0@ecl014.UUCP>, ronald@ecl014.UUCP (Ronald van Eijck) writes:
> 
> You've probably blown a print fuse thats there in most amigas to protect
> short circuit between +5v & ground on your port.
> 
> If this is the case you should find some small green component near the
> mouse ports. It is probably named F1.
> 
> Hope this helps,

Does anyone know how to get a replacement for one of these things?
I blew mine like in October of 91 and have been using the machine
since with a jumper over it.  I could probibly take it to a dealer,
but I didn't want them to have it for five years while they swaped
motherboards, which is what I assume they would do.  Anyway, does
anyone know how to get one of these fuses???

Thanks!

Rich
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: HiQ Tower case for A500
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:18:03 GMT

The latest AmigaWorld had them selling for $629.

Thom
From: gs@TEETOT.ACUSD.EDU (Greg Simon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: RE: A3000/Toaster
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:50:48 GMT


  Does anyone have a Video Toaster working on a 3000?  I've heard that
>  the board needs to be hacked off to make it fit, is this true?
>
>  Also, I've heard that there is a Toaster-type card that will definately
>  work in a 3000, does anyone know what it is called, if there is one?
>
>
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ;-) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>Brian Wentz     
>Virginia Tech                          wentz@csugrad.cs.vt.edu          
>703-232-2300                 

I don't know about the 3000/toaster hack, but I believe the other
"Toaster-type" card that you are refering to is the GVP IV24.  This
isn't _really_ a 'Toaster-type' card; it lacks the powerful switcher the
VT has.  It _can_ do quite a bit though, Picture in Picture on WB, 24bit
from grab, Caligari 3D, 24bit frame buffer, Scala titler, to name a few.

-Greg

gs@teetot.acusd.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Quantum Drives - Are they reliable?
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:00:03 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <204702@unix.cis.pitt.edu> sspst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Sanjay S Patel) writes:

>Quantums are quirky drives.. the old 40/80/105 and the new 52/105 series
>are awfully slow [data transfer rate] , the 210 and 270 do transfer quite
>a bit faster - keep that in mind.

You are trying to be funny, aren't you? The 52 is awfully slow? A megabyte
per second on a stock A500/A590 - slow? Get real.....

>Still , newer drives shouldnt have this problem.  I've used every model
>Quantum SCSI drive in my machines - 40 on an A500, an 80 on the A2000,
>and the 52Q & 210Q on my A3000 and the only problem I've had is with the
>'stuck head'.

Have you used the newer 60/120/240 drives? Thought not... They are *nice*.
1.7Mb/sec in 68000 fallback mode on my A2000/GVP. I have no complaints! :-)

Barry.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: derek@kirk.tmc.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: PAL A2000 to the US
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.132748.29105@polari.com> jsanchez@polari.com writes:
>You do not have to do ANYTHING!  I brought my German purchased 2000 over
>here last year and it works fine.  I did bring a voltage converter back so
>I can use it on the 110V line but that is a LOT cheaper than buying a new
>power supply.  I have heard that the european power supply has internal
>jumpers that allow it to work on 110V directly but have not bothered to
>open it up to check.  The PAL display works just find and I prefer it
>since I have a CBM deinterlacer.  If you want to change the display to
>NTSC, just use the preferences on 2.04 or change an internal jumper if you
>want the default to be NTSC.  Forget the jumper number though.  I don't
>know where you are moving to but since you work for Sun it may be the
>silicon valley.  If so, there is a very active amiga community there and
>people can help you out.
>

There is a tower inside of a power supply to switch from 220 to 110V.
All he needs is just switch the cable from 220 to 110. It works fine
for the friend on mine. (I know it because it was my own (European) Amiga
before :-)

>Jim Sanchez 

Dariusz Bolski
 
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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 15:06:08 TUR
From: Cem Turgay <PROHVK38@TREARN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: is it possible ?

Hi,

Is it possible to disk dump or disk copy (or file copy)
from the A590 to another ?
Both A590 have same (Quantum LPS 105S) drive.
Can we use A590's external SCSI connectors for this process ?
How can the A500 use two A590 if they are connected via SCSI
connector.
Any information will be appreciated.

Thanks

Cem Turgay  PROHVK38@TREARN
From: leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Commodore Technology
Date: 13 Apr 1992 04:33:28 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Is there a division of CBM called Commodore Technology, or is it some
completely separate company?

	Lee
From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Quantum Drives - Are they reliable?
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:52:53 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <Krzysztof.00cx@netxsys.UUCP> Krzysztof@netxsys.UUCP (Krzysztof Adamski) writes:

>If Quantum drives are so reliable why did one just die on me after three weeks 
>of usage?

Don't be so narrow-minded. Nothing's perfect. You have a 2-year warranty on
it, so send it back and get another one... I've had the LP52S and LP120S, and
have had NO problems with either of them. I give 10/10 for the 52, and 12/10
for the 120 'cos it's so blimmin' fast (esp. for the price!). :-)

Barry.
From: FELIX-ONE@cup.portal.com (Dan A Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: CDrom info (what works for me)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:35:24 GMT
  <1992Mar27.210100.13173@cs.mcgill.ca>
  <1992Apr3.204240.1975@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
  <1992Apr4.170302.12128@cs.mcgill.ca>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

heres what I've finnally got for running my CDS-431 (chinon)
CD-rom drive ($380 from comp.shop.net , including file sys)
I am using a Xetec fastcard with the latest roms.
as of right now my ICD advantage 2000 card wont work with cdrom-fs
(even thou before i bought the cdrom ICD said it would)
I'm using the latest rom chip from ICD 3.0 or so
and it still wont work, called cdrom-fs, they haven't got the
new rom from ICD yet, say it will be a while before they release a
new version anyways so... if you have a ICD scuzi card don't plan on 
using it for a driver card for CD-rom.
however, Xetec will work (the CDrom-fs people weren't sure, but it does)
thats what info I've got...
dan
b.t.w. where can i find a list of the disks that will work in cdrom-fs?
(as of now, i've got a computer stereo..) :)