HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Shiva 9600 v.32 NetModem needs fixed! Help!
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:06:15 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <1992Sep7.151533.14889@Shiva.COM> chris@Shiva.COM (Chris Outzen)  
writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.065714.2381@lna.oz.au> randy@lna.oz.au (Randolph  
CHRISTOPHERS) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug27.222807.13917@sequent.com> dwightj@sequent.com (Dwight  
Johnson) writes:
> >>I need to know how to fix our NetModem.  Shiva wants over $250 to even
> >>look at it.  I think it should be a one or two component replace job.
> >>
> >>.....  I checked to 7805 chip inside.  It maintains 25VDC
> >>input and 5VDC output even after the modem dies.  It is really hot though.
> >>
> >Hooly dooly, thats a 20V difference. I don't think 7805's are meant for
> >that sort of torture (usually a DC input of less than 10V is OK). Little 
> >wonder its cooking.
> >
> >Randy.
> 
> There most be something wrong with your wall-mount transformer.  It should
> have an output of 9V AC.  This 9V AC is put through a full-wave rectifer and
> then used as the input to the voltage regulator.  If you are see 20V DC at  
the
> input something is wrong.  You should check the output of the wall-mount.
> F.Y.I. The regulator input should be somewhere about 9-10V DC depending on  
the
> line voltage.
> 
> Chris Outzen
> Manager Hardware Development
> Shiva Corp

Every Shiva product I have ever used has had to have it's case left open, or it  
would overheat and go into thermal shutdown.  A nomimal 9-10 vac transformer  
produces 1.41*vin DC or about 13-14 volts.  In reality, the cheap wall  
transformers usually do a bit more, and so I'd expect to see about 16 volts.  I  
would not consider 20 volts that unusual, given tolerance add-ups, and the  
differing line voltages you encounter.  That leaves the poor 7805 to drop twice  
the power the rest of the modem (11 volts at current vs 5 volts) uses in total.   
So, it runs VERY hot.

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: Re: Where's FilterTop?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: NCRPDA, Curtin University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:42:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.152614.12597@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>,
psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:

> Any news on the FilterTop project?

Yes, we're still at it.  If you'd like to see the latest development
version, ftp to syrinx.kgs.ukans.edu, in the /topsoft/filtertop directory,
and grab the FilterTopDescription.txt and ft-users-kit-10d8.hqx files for
the latest working version, and to have a look at where we are heading,
grab the prototype super filter editor sfe.cpt.hqx (this is just a
prototype of the UI, it doesnt do any filtering as such).

> Supposedly, this was going to be an intelligent
> deBinhexer, unStuffer, etc.

Indeed it does, it will currently batch encode or decode binhex and
macbinary, as well as send files off to StuffIt Expander to decode .sit and
.cpt files, and many other bits and pieces (there are over 30 filters, most
of htem pretty simple).

> Looked really neat.  Or, at least, sounded neat.

If you'd like to keep up to date on FilterTop, Email Fred
<pfterry@cyberpunk.kgs.ukans.edu> and ask to be added to the ftgen mailing
list.

Basically, development progresses, a bit slower than we'd like, but its
still going forward...
   Peter.
FilterTop Project Manager, TopSoft Inc.
From: 21602MR@MSU (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Printing Postscript Problem ?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:08:33 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University


      I have some files I pulled off the net which were saved as
      postscript, and I tried using SendPS to print them, but it
      crashed under System 7, it works under 6.0.7. Is there an
      easy way to print them from System 7 ?

      Thanks,

      Mark@MSU
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Default App posting on c.b.m
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:26:03 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Today I was pleased to see that my Default Application utility, version 1.0d5,
has finally appeared on comp.binaries.mac. I UnBinHexed the archive, just out
of curiosity, and was rather surprised to discover that it was a StuffIt 1.5.1
archive.

I'm a registered owner of StuffIt Deluxe. All the stuff I post on the net
is exclusively in StuffIt Deluxe format. So somebody had obviously taken it
upon themselves to create a new archive, instead of using the one I posted.

Now the question is: why? Did I contravene some official newsgroup policy
with my original archive? Are StuffIt Deluxe archives not acceptable? Why
wasn't I told?

As it was, I now have the situation that a posting has appeared on a USENET
newsgroup, under my name, of which I am not actually the author. If there is
any problem with that archive not being readable, or perhaps if a file had
been missed, I am the one who's going to get hassled about it.

I don't like this situation. We have enough problems with viruses and Trojan
horses and things, without more people putting their hands in, adding extra
steps on the way from getting a set of files from me to you.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: qmdbms@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Brian Schott)
Subject: Paradigm Software: phone #?
Keywords: MacUser magazine, robot
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:44:28 GMT

On page 243 of October 1992 MacUser the phone number for Paradigm Software's
Pearl Controller is given as 617-576-7680.  When I dial the number I get
a modem sound.  Does anyone know how to contact this company?

(B=)

-- 
Brian Schott/Decision Sciences Dept.             qmdbms@gsusgi2.gsu.edu
College of Business Administration                         404-651-4070
Georgia State University                  interests: approx. reasoning,
Atlanta, Georgia USA 30303-3083     (B=)       decision support systems
From: jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Hamilton Slye)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: DD & 32-bit addressing
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:23:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kegtIxi00UhW02v29s
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Thanks to the people who replied to my post...I found out DD was
conflicting with another INIT when 32-bit addressing was on. It was one
I didn't use much anyway so I got rid of it and now I have more memory!




=========================================================================
J. Hamilton Slye (jsbr@andrew.cmu.edu) 1071 Morewood Ave., Pgh, Pa. 15213

The opinions stated above do not necessarily reflect those of the author!

"Oooohhhh no! Forget that stuff!"  -  Ren Hoek, "The Ren & Stimpy Show"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: g5000005@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: (sigh) RE: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:12:24 GMT

>>jochenw@ikki.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Jochen Wolters) responds to

>ewright@convex.com:

[   much stuff deleted  ]
  

>I wonder how many indignant, self-righteous replies I'd get if 
>I tried to tell you to vote for in the Danish elections.

>>  What an interesting "slip-of-the-typing-fingers": I cannot vote
>>in the Danish elections, since Denmark doesn't belong to Germany.
>>And that's what DE stands for (DE = DEutschland).

>>  Jochen.


Now Jochen, go easy on poor old Ed! At least he was in the right hemisphere!

Norm
(an indignant, self-righteous Canuck!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: FTPed system upgrade
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Need help
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:15:23 GMT

I just FTPed what I believe to be the system upgrades for system 6.0.8 from
ftp.apple.com.  The two files I got are called:
          system-additions-image.hqx
          system-startup-image.hqx
 
My questions are:
-Do I need to put these two on seperate floppies or can I install them directly
 form my hard drive?  If not, how can I just 'put' them on floppies and have
 them work right?
 
-Is 6.0.8 the most recent system 6 Apple came out with before system 7?  I'm
 still using 6.0.1 on my SE and don't think upgrading to system 7 will be all
 that advantageous for my machine.
 
I'm not quite sure what I am doing, so any ideas, suggestions, instructions
will be appreciated if you can E-mail me.
 
Thanks in advance
-Eric
-- 
'You can fly high as a kite if you want to.              /  Eric J. Lorenzo \
     Faster then light if you want to.                   \AKA: Rico and Spam/
     Speeding through the universe...               /lorenzo@Spot.Colorado.EDU\
   Thinking is the best way to travel' -Moody Blues \ also: @UCSU and @Tramp  /
From: faulkner@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Ed Faulkner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PostScript files
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:05:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland
Originator: faulkner@beta.tricity.wsu.edu

Has anyone printed to a postscript file and had that file size intermittently
jump to several hundred K for a single page document? If you know anything
about this problem please send e-mail.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: psreid@cc.utah.edu (PAMELA SUZANNE REID)
Subject: IIvi/vx Info needed, please
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 10 Sep 1992 14:17 MST  

Could someone please send me information on the new IIvi/vx machines?  I am
looking for a computer within the next month and wonder if the wait is worth
it.  Thanks in advance!

Pam Reid
pamela@howard.med.utah.edu     *******use this address please*******
psreid@cc.utah.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Ray Zimmerman <Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Share-able applications?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D38A719301E0B5@ziklag.ee.cornell.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16: 03:13 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: rz10@cornell.edu
Organization: Electrical Engineering, Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:58:26 GMT

I too am interested in finding out which applications are share-able.
Is there a list somewhere?

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 Ray Zimmerman            \ 397 Theory Center, Electrical Engineering
                           \ Cornell University, Ithaca NY  14853
 Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu  \ Phone: 607-254-8819  Fax: 607-255-9072
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: carlc@hubcap.clemson.edu (Carl Robert Clark)
Subject: Education Network Backups
Reply-To: carlc@clemson.clemson.edu
Organization: Microcomputer Center, Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:45:29 GMT

Here at Clemson Center Computer, we have been using a network backup utility,
Retrospect Remote, to backup our local Macs on a combination PhoneNet and
ethernet network. We have found there is an extremendous need on campus with
our other departments for a similar service, and we are exploring the idea of
offering a backup service to our networked Mac (and PC) users. 

I am interested in any educational institution who has considered offering or
is currently offerring a backup service for Macs/PC over an ethernet network on
their campus. I particularly interested in getting more information on charges
(cost models), data reliability and liability issues, contract specs, etc. If
you are currently offering such a service, I like to also know what kinds of
problems you experienced initially, how many users do you support and what
system/hardware are you using to implement the service.

Any general comments pro or con to offering such service would be appreicated
as well. Please reply back to my AppleLink address (U1630) or on internet at
carlc@clemson.clemson.edu.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Bobby Clark
Technical Consultant
Clemson Microcomputer Center
Clemson University
 
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From: nk4v@poe.acc.virginia.edu (Naohiro  Koshiya)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Generating PostScript file from apps?  -- Conclusion
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:16:59 GMT
	<1992Sep11.141339.6959@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
Reply-To: koshiya@virginia.edu
Organization: University of Virginia

Following seems the conclusion.  Thank you very much for responses.

Naohiro
--
In article <1992Sep11.141339.6959@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> pjl@sparc10.cs.uiuc.edu (Paul Lucas) writes:
   Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:13:39 GMT

   *****>	If I had a dime for every time someone asked this....

	   1. Get System 7; there's an option right in the print dialog box.

	   2. For System 6: Immediately after clicking Print, type command-K.
   -- 
	   - Paul J. Lucas				University of Illinois	
	     AT&T Bell Laboratories		at Urbana-Champaign
	     Naperville, IL			pjl@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones)
Subject: Re: Mac IIci vs. IIvi and IIvx
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  8 Sep 92 13:59:20 GMT

Will the vi or vx have system 7.1 in ROM?
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%%  Wesley Stuart Jones         jonesw@hasbro.wes.mot.com               %%
%%                              wstuartj@ecn.purdue.edu                 %%
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From: hp48sx@wupost.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: How to print on both side with a HP DeskWriter
Date: 14 Sep 1992 05:14:09 -0500
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: wuarchive.wustl.edu

smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:

%eauu011@orion.oac.uci.edu (Gizmo) writes:

>Is there a way to print even and odd number pages in a Mac with a DeskWriter C?
>I'm trying to conserve paper and the environment by printing on both sides. 
>But this is very tedious without the option to print odd and even number pages.

>   Only put one sheet of paper in at a time. Print one side, stick it back
>in, next sheet, etc. Sure, it's tedious, but the only way. I'm surprised
>that M$ didn't include this option in Word 5.0 since DOS Word can do it.

You can use a better wordprocessor like nisus. First print out all odd
pages, then take the output, and without turning it, put it into the
in-tray.  Then print out all even pages, with the REVERSE order checkbox
checked. Worked fine for me, also when I made a folder with 4 pages on
each papper.
-- 
Povl H. Pedersen             hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu
HP48sx archive maintainer

All Opinions (C) Copyright the Intergalactic Thought Association
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joel E Callan)
Subject: Re: Quicktime movies?
Originator: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:46:01 GMT

From article <1992Sep7.222618.579@intelhf.hf.intel.com>, by bklaas@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Brian Klaas):
> Where can I find Quicktime sample movies???  FTP address is fine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian Klaas
> bklaas@@sedona.intel.com

  Hi Brian,

  You can check the sumex-aim.stanford.edu site in the following directory;
info-mac/art/qt

  You can also check bric-a-brac.apple.com (ftp.apple.com) but I'm unsure of
the exact directory; dts/ or pugh/

Joel Callan callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
-- 
 In the meantime, happy computing!
         May you sit on the tack of success and rise to the occassion...

  /`-_                               !!!
From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.mac.sys.hardware
Subject: Re: Powerbook Windows
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:03:23 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

phrje@warwick.ac.uk (Dr D McK Paul) writes:
> Something about the screen is bothering me though. When I have a window open
> there is a light shadow which extends above and below the window, all the way
> to the menu bar sometimes depending on the exact position of the window.

This is a feature of the display technology.  It's why the Sys 7 install
program changes the desktop pattern on the Powerbooks.

For real fun, set the desktop pattern to alternate black and white lines --
that is, a horizontal line of black pixels, a horizontal line of white
pixels, a line of black pixels and so on.  Wow!


mathew
-- 
"Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
 stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
 sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard
From: walton@gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu (Sam Walton)
Subject: Re: Anyone dealt with Relax technology?
Organization: Georgia College - Milledgeville, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:44:33 GMT

I have posted the same question to this group about two months ago.

Other than no toll-free calls, they have been one of the few to fax back
info that I requested and the price was good for what I wanted: a 100meg
HD that was portable. I got the one pictured in MacWorld and so far it is
a charm. The pieces that come with it are reduced in price so the price you
see is the price you pay. I have had no reason to call tech support so I can't
help you there.

BTW, no one answered my posts when I asked before.

hope that helps, sam walton
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sam Walton      walton@gcnext.gac.peachnet.edu       "What's the frequency,
107 Hollingshed      AOL: sam452                      Kenneth?"..Transient, 
Milledgeville, Ga    Plink: WALTON                    before assaulting Dan
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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just emulate it.
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:24:17 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka) writes:
> Their most recent blunders include the Atari TT (the crippled 68030 machine
> that barely outperforms a 16 Mhz 68000), the ST Book (the notebook that never
> was), and the "under $1000 68030 machine" Falcon.

The ST Book does actually exist.  I've seen it for sale.  It just suffers
from the unfortunate problem of costing twice as much as a Powerbook 100 4/40
for a machine with 1MB of RAM, 20MB hard disk and no floppy drive.  It looks
ugly too.

But Atari's problem isn't their hardware; it's their software.  I mean, there
are still unfixed bugs in TOS which they've known about since 1985.  It took
them years to produce any sort of OS upgrade at all (TOS 1.4), and then it
took another year before existing ST owners could buy it.

It continues.  My younger brothers still have STs, so I still follow what's
happening in the Atari world.  Currently the big vapourware product is
FSM-GDOS, the ST's answer to TrueType or ATM.  But of course, because Atari
never bothered with little things like actually making GDOS available or
documenting how to use it, none of the popular software out there works with
FSM-GDOS, even assuming you can find a copy (which so far I haven't been able
to do.)

I kept waiting for Atari to release decent OS.  I even tried MINIX, which was
at least an improvement on TOS.  Early this year I gave up, sold all my ST
stuff and bought a Mac.

Now the Falcon is coming out.  Reasonable hardware, but where's the operating
system?  8.3 letter filenames?  You must be kidding.


mathew
-- 
"Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
 stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
 sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard
From: jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Hamilton Slye)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: DD & 32-bit addressing
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:34:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MegzdDu00UhWQ5eF1j
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


> 
>Why not tell us which IIT it was conflicting wih so that others will not
>have the same problems as you ? I don't care if it is pirated or not. I
>always try software before buying it if possible. 

It was Talking Head.



=========================================================================
J. Hamilton Slye (jsbr@andrew.cmu.edu) 1071 Morewood Ave., Pgh, Pa. 15213

The opinions stated above do not necessarily reflect those of the author!

"Oooohhhh no! Forget that stuff!"  -  Ren Hoek, "The Ren & Stimpy Show"
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From: ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Mac educational discount prices
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:36:38 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1992Sep10.034427.26900@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rqi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rugang Qi) writes:
>The Macintosh Student aid package here at Ohio State priced at :
>
>$ 1408 for LC II (4/40)
>$ 1936 for IIsi (5/80)
>
>can anyone provide price list  of educational discount for these system
>at your school?

The regular price here is

LC II 4/40 w/keyboard.............$1284
IIsi 5/80 w/o keyboard............$2199

However, Apple is running a "back to school" promotion through 10/15/92
which bundles software (dictionary, grammar, resume, calendar and
encyclopedia) with the computers for:

LC II 4/40 w/keyboard.............$1042
IIsi 5/80 w/o keyboard............$1488

The Classic II and PB140 are also included in the sale.

.............................................................................
....Boyd Ostroff / Technical Director / SUNY Oswego Department of Theatre....
...............Voice: (315) 341-2987 /  Fax: (315) 341-3394..................
..............ostroff@oswego.oswego.edu / ostroff@cboard.UUCP................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)
Subject: Improve Auto DOubler (was Re: How good is AutoDoubler?)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 19:42:35 GMT

long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) writes:


> I use the Finder Label exclusion with Autodoubler, and one feature I wish for 
> is that changing a compressed file's label to an excluded one would cause the
> file to expand, either automatically or on the next pass. Unfortunately, it
> doesn't, but I have DD for such things.

That's a great idea!  Another thing I would like is to be able to set a
miimum compression standard.  That is to say, AD compresses a 2Meg files
and saves a total of 3 bytes.  Aaargh!  What I want to do is say "only
compress is 20% saved or 100K"  otherwise AD marks the file with the
"!Compress" label and leaves it alone.  Sometimes AD will actually make
a ZIP or ZOO file GROW by compressing it...  would be nice to have an
option to control that.

Other than that, AD is a great piece of software, and it integrates
wonderfully with Disk Doubler.  Best $29 I ever spent!


>Richard C. Long			long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com
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