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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:47:02 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

aissmith@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Doug Smith) writes:
>nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>>I want to clear up some misconceptions about the speed of Intel -based 
>>computers and Amigas. First, when the person who first started this [...]
>
>You're full of shit, Nishith.
>[...]
>Admittedly I don't run a 16 colour workbench, but I have *NO* noticable delay
>on graphics when downloading.  Seeing as this mysterious person you speak of
>[...]

Cool off Doug.  You've jumped in late on a discussion that began weeks ago.
Nishith did not make up the original person or posting.

kev <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Re: Wild rumor, potential for massive sea change in Amiga world...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:34:11 GMT




Can you say CBM losing many of their users in the U.S. due to Nintendo
(a Japanese company) owning the company that produces the computer they own?

I wonder how many users would stick with Commodore once Nintendo bought
them out ESPECIALLY when there are a growing amount of people out there that
dislikes the way Nintendo does things.

The only thing that this would accomplish is many of those users eventually
selling their Amiga and purchasing a new Falcon or whatever it will be.

By Winter, Atari will be offering everything that the Amiga has anyways.


:en
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From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Game machines and such
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:08:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <92101.011731MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> personal computers based on statistics instead of whether or not
> you enjoy using them. For enjoyment, the A3000 beats and will always
> beat any Intel/MS-DOS machine hands down. Does anyone dispute this,
> out of curiosity? I'd be interested to hear from someone claiming PClones
> are more fun than Amigas...

Of course I dispute this.  I do not, however, make the claim that PClones
are *more* fun than Amigas.  I can, and do, claim that I have as much fun
on my PClone as any Amigan (Amigoid?) has on his/her computer.

There's a hell of a lot of fun stuff out there in the IBM world, you just
gotta know where to look.  Add inexpensive 256-color VGA and a Sound Blaster
Pro with MIDI pass-thru and you have some serious time-wasting potential.

If you want some specifics, we can continue this via e-mail.

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From: coxjason@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:04:19 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

>>	You want me to spend $200 more on a system that has 4 times less ram,
>>4 times less HD space, slower CPU, and no 8 bit graphics.  Plus has a lot less
>>software available for it. 

>Curious.  Who wants you to buy an Amiga?  The Amiga, like anything else, is
>for people who can afford it.
>

 Nothing personal guys, but who the f*ck cares! Take your whiny crap to 
.advocacy where some who wants to read it can. I've got an Amiga, I love it,
and I'll never switch, ok?!? Go the f*ck away!!!!!
 
                                                   most sincerely,
                                                   jason
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cython@ais.org (Tim Devlin)
Subject: Re: *** ULTIMATE BASHING for PeeCee Users
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 07:46:17 GMT

In article <3cpj9zj@lynx.unm.edu> kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland) writes:
>In article <ajaffe.21u7@amiganet.chi.il.us> ajaffe@amiganet.chi.il.us (Adi Jaffe) writes:
>>In article <56840@cup.portal.com>, TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>
>Now, PC users are not stupid (the least I can say for most 
>Amiga users), they are just logical. I mean, 
>does CBM give you 2 years TRW warantee service, 
I hate to tell you this but YES THEY DO! CBM gives you a Gold service
warrantee when you buy a A3000 2 years on site from TRW!
>does CBM give you lifetime customer service, 
Once again, yes they do.
>does CBM have a better chance of staying around?
CBM has a MUCH better chance of staying around then some fly-by-night PC
cloan company that has to compeat with 100000^2 other pee pcc cloan venders
out there.
>Do AMIGA's have a chance of staying around longer than PC's??
They have just as much a chance, as you call it, of staying around as long
as any PC manufacturer.
>What is software support like for the Amiga's. 
Gee, lets see on my A3000 with a 386sx bridgeboard, and A-Max II and UNIX I
can run more software then *ANY* PC out there...how is that for software
support?
>If a company buys an Amiga, who will come to fix it. 
TRW of course....geez you REALLY are ill-informed.
>
>There is a ton of questions here that so far, CBM can't give 
>youa honest answer becuase they know they suck, they 
>just don't want to tell you that. Of course!!!
>
>PC's exist becuase they have more support, more users, more software
>(this does not say anything about video specific, but general software),
>and more hardware than you will ever see for the Amiga. 
>Sure the Amiga is great, but CBM is the only one who makes them. 
>Therefore, I can not have an Amiga if CBM is going to be a bunch 
>of bastards and try to cheat us all. 
>
I think you need to go buy a serious clue my man!

I get all the support, software and hardware that I can possibly use in a
lifetime.
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ZorroIII
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:35:34 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Apr7.030106.14814@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>mhw42412@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Hwa Wu) writes:
>
>>Hi,
>>	If I'm not mistaken, EISA runs at about 8 Mhz.  MCA (IBM's 32 bit
>>architecture) runs at about 1/2 the speed of the cpu.  So a 33 Mhz 486
>>would have 16.5 Mhz slots ( I could be completely and utterly wrong ).
>>	So the only way a PC could get 33 Mhz, 32-bit wide busses is to
>>get an actual IBM PS/2 with a 66 Mhz processor.
>>.
>
>You are mistaken.
>Where did you get these numbers?

Ok Mr. Expert, what are your numbers?  Where do you get them?  I suppose
you are going to tell us how much better the EISA and MCS busses are,
especially when compared with Zorro III.  Get real, EISA is just a kludge
built on top of ISA and MCA is a non-standard that is not even compatible
on all machines that use it!  Try pulling the boards out of a RS/6000 and
putting them in a PS/2.  How is that for compatibility?  

But then again, why bother with a fast bus if all you have to drive it with 
is a piece of junk Intel CPU?

>Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Skip Sauls                     //    Graduate Student & Instructor
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu    \X/     CS Department, University of Mississippi 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 040 and 486 and nap42487 knows nothing about CPUs.
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:31:41 GMT

laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt) writes:
>
>Next time you should take a deeper look into the messages of someone
>and not read that that you want to read.
>

Next time you should follow your own advice (see below).

>
>[...] Jerry,the priester of the neverending Intel religion, is claiming that
>he has the Mask of Truesight:-)
>

If you had taken a "deeper look into the messages of someone and not read
what you want to read" (tm), you would have known that I have no Intel bias,
just an anti-bullsh*t bias.

>
>Ralph Schmidt
>
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From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Video Machine - Toaster Sales Killer?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:25:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr14.102558.6320

In article <kdarling.702859259@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
> 
>  
>    "The Video Machine can best be understood as a high-end Video Toaster.
>  It takes standard video inputs and allows for full frame-by-frame editing.
>    "Unlike the Toaster, which runs only on the Commodore Amiga and requires
>  the NTSC video found in the US, the Video Machine is an add-in board
>  for PCs and Macintoshes that also handles European PAL or SECAM inputs,
>  allowing the editor to mix-and-match them."  
If it's supposedly better than a Toaster, why do they still compare it to one?
> So says Newsbytes about the COMDEX debut of Munich-based FAST Electronic's
> "Video Machine", an addon video editing, titling and special effects board.
> The system is based on a new Philips video controller chip.  Other quotes:
> 
> The Video Machine is able to cut and mix live video.  It requires no extra
> hardware such as TBCs or editing decks.  The video output and both inputs
> accommodate FBAS and S-Video signals.  It can mix PAL and NTSC sources.
New Tek should have included all of this other stuff, especially PAL
compatibility (look at all the Amigas in Europe), but didn't.
> It includes an library of over 100 digital video effects, such as slides,
> curtain effects, panning, scrolling, fades, splits, strobes, continuously
> adjustable zoom and shrink, and negative and blue box effects.
The New Tek Toaster Version 2 has about as many DVEs.
> Video Machine runs on any Mac II with the Apple 13" color monitor and at
> least 4 MB main memory. It also runs on IBM/AT and compatibles with 16-bit
> slot or PS/2 systems with MCA/640KB memory under DOS 3.3+ or Windows 3.0+.
> 
> Availability is slated for this December at $4000, with the price predicted
> to drop dramatically as sales take off.
> 
> So, has anyone here seen this system at either COMDEX or the last CEBIT?
Sounds like Vaporware to me.  Any Mac or IBM users who regularly read and post
to this newsgroup know anything about this?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Apple embroiled in new Look & Feel suit
Date: 08 Apr 92 19:55:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

In article <19485@chopin.udel.edu> don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
>In an agreement 
>formed as part of its alliance with Apple, IBM will hire Big Bird, 
>repaint him accordingly, and create a joint Apple/IBM commercial 
>featuring Snuffy and Big Blue Bird.

Actually, in Holland Big Bird is blue. So IBM only needs to go to
the Netherlands and hire their Big Bird. This is absolutely true!
I've seen Sesame Street in Holland and Big Bird is BLUE.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: borres@aix.rpi.edu (Steven D. Borrelli)
Subject: Re: Wild rumor, potential for massive sea change in Amiga world...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:22:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.034322.23117@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@isis.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>Amigas BEST magazine called INFO is DEAD so soon after AWTJ!!!!  As long
>as Gould and Ali hide out in Bahamsa and sip drinks from woman with big
>coconuts then everybody is afraid Amiga is finished!!
>

This has to be one of the best lines I have ever read in .advocacy. I 
can just picture it in my head....

I think he forgot the sunglasses and the polyester pink flamingo pattern 
shirts. I bet Irving Gould wears black socks and sandals.


>WAKE UP PEOPLE IN BAHAMA!!!

If I were sipping mixed drinks on a Carribean beach, I sure as hell wouldn't 
care about computers.....those coconuts would be interesting, though.


Steve (in upstate NY, sipping on a pepsi, staring at a big monitor)


[Now back to the enormous flames that this guy's posts will generate...]

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:00:25 GMT

sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors) writes:
>A 68040 does 3.5 MIPS as opposed to the 1.7 of an intel 80486. I think
>you'll find the 68040 based platform beating the 80486 ased one in serious
>applications.

Are these speed figures accurate.  I had heard values like 15 and 20 MIPS
for the 486 and 040.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 040 and 486_ (bunch O' Kaka anyway)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:48:39 GMT

har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--) writes:
>>Let's stick to the facts, and leave speculation aside.  GNU C is obviously
>>not *optimized* for either architecture, and yet it seems to produce excellent
>>code on both.  I just can't think of a test that would be any more fair.
>
>I know! Let's throw an 80486 and a 68040 in the ocean. Whichever one floats
>is a witch.
>

This from the dude who blasts my .sig for being irrelevant.

>
>>MIPS are meaningless because the 486 and 040 have different instruction sets.
>
>Yuppers. The 68040 instruction set is cleaner, so 1 68040 mip ~= 1.2 80486
>mips. (Note that mip is not a proper unplural, but it's the most idiomatic
>word...) Thus, we really have:
>
>25 Mhz 486 = 15 MIPS
>25 Mhz 040 = 24 MIPS
>

Peter, do you actually believe your BS, or do you just use it for harrassment?

>
>Thanks, jer. I almost missed that one. :)
>

You're missing a lot of things...

>
>Peter Seebach, using my fiancee's acount. (Please use "SEEBS" in the subject
>
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From: sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors)
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ZorroIII
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:46:59 GMT

nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:

>mhw42412@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Hwa Wu) writes:

>>Hi,
>>	If I'm not mistaken, EISA runs at about 8 Mhz.  MCA (IBM's 32 bit
>>architecture) runs at about 1/2 the speed of the cpu.  So a 33 Mhz 486
>>would have 16.5 Mhz slots ( I could be completely and utterly wrong ).
>>	So the only way a PC could get 33 Mhz, 32-bit wide busses is to
>>get an actual IBM PS/2 with a 66 Mhz processor.
>>.

>You are mistaken.
>Where did you get these numbers?

>Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

It's very rarely that I meet someone who insights so my damned anoyance in
me. NiSHITh, unless you've got something productive to so, go away and play
wordprocessors on your IBM.


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From: nyberg@willow.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason William Nyberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Stevie again...
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:38:31 GMT

<Les_Jenkins.074c@lppl.mi.org> writes:

>I can agree with you on rather having a Genesis if all I wanted was a good
>game machine. What is CBM doing wrong? Same thing the President of the U.S.
>is: Losing touch with what they are supposed to be doing. They try a couple
>of really pathetic marketing attempts in the U.S. and then flail their arms
>about in exasperation is if they don't understand why Stevie raising his
>house by the power on an Amiga alone isn't selling lots of machines. They

Funny you should mention that... Just last night I saw the old stevie
commercial where he taps into his neighbor's cable tv to impress a girl.
I still haven't got an opinion as to whether that is good or bad...
On the plus side, C= is once again making an attempt to advertise.
On the down side, they use a commercial which insults the intelligence of
computer literate individuals who might buy an amiga if they hadn't seen
this commercial.  I don't know, maybe it was just a local advertiser, but
I suppose the target audience of Stevie brand commercials are those who
would try to get their parents to buy them an A600.
    Don't get me wrong, I love the concept of the Amiga and plan to dump 
moderately vast sums of plastic money into an A3000 and enough goodies to make 
it a nice rendering/simulation machine for HOME use. (please don't respond with
crap like "buy X instead, I have one and I can state as fact that my
computer is better than your computer. Here, let me try..."  I DON'T
want to hear it, it goes on enough as it is.  Im so sick of this bullsh*t
bitching back and forth, but I suppose if you want to whine, this is the
place to do it.  BTW are there similar newsgroups (.advocacy) in other
computer newsgroups?  I thot not.  That says a lot for Amiga users, who
aren't afraid of a little competition/adversity.  I rarely see an IBM or
Mac claim of superiority withstand the scrutiny of the likes of Dave H.
Which brings me to another point... Do IBM and Mac Hardware and software
people put their asses on the line as much as C='s? (I don't know, I dont
read the other newsgroups)  The more I see the competition try to chop down
Amiga, the more I want one, and the less likely I will buy a competitor's 
machine in the near future.  They must have a serious inferiority complex!
(and here I am, rubbing it in :):):)

On another note...
     Since everyone else is giving suggestions, you know what I want to see?
screens and pixels with constant aspect ratio, and (get this) a normalized,
floating point screen coordinate addressing method (ie. 0<=x<1, 0<=y<1)
with floating point hardware to convert coordinate space to screen space.
And hardware bitmap scaling.  voila, DIG. :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
(Don't say, "No Duh, you idiot. we have that on our nExts with our (Whatever
that postscript thing is called)")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Memory duplication.
Organization: James Cook University, North Queensland
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 07:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.063801.1767@ux.acs.umn.edu> har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.035914.16067@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>[in reference to running a 700k program 5 times in 1 mb]
>>>Both Windows and Unix have this capability.  Please limit your stupid
>>>bashing to things you know about.
>
>Actually, neither of them does, normally. Even the most efficient unixes
>recognize that some data can not be shared intelligently between invocations -

I know for certain that Windows 3.0 DOES share code segments
with multiple invocations of the same program.  It can share data segments
as well for device drivers and other special resources.

>Well, unix and amigados probably do it much *better* than windows; I would
>be rather suprised if windows had caught up with unix, which after all
>is only about 15 years old. :)

Well be surprised :-)  Windows 3.0 is actually far more powerful than
I thought it would be.  It is handicaped quite a lot by the Intel arch.
though.  It doesn't do real virtual memory except in 386 protected mode
for instance.  Windows merely dumps discardable segments.

It has to reload code segments that are dumped directly from the .exe
file, which is *very* slow.  It also moves data and code segments 
around the place.  Windows 386 protected does proper paging using the
MMU, and is the only time Windows swaps data segments to disk (except
when running some DOS applications).  Sounds complex?  This is a
vastly simplified version of what happens :-)

Windows NT and OS/2 should be *much* better since they won't have to
support the 8086.

>>Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>
>Peter Seebach, using my fiancee's acount. (Please use "SEEBS" in the subject


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From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ENOUGH!! (Was:i040 and 486_ (bunch O' Kaka anyway)
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:35:34 GMT
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX

In article <4122@sumax.seattleu.edu> davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat) writes:
>>, then you are obviously are NOT very good at it, and you will
                           ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^
Enough of the fruitless b.s.!!!

I propose that all of you arguing about processor superiority and knowledge
of assembly language agree (no doubt a fantasy of mine :^)) upon a set of
benchmark algorithms to use and then SUBMIT YOUR IMPLEMENTATION for 
analysis / critique.  Then you can gloat or eat crow as applicable, and 
run the best version of each benchmark to "prove" the superiority of 
your favorite CPU architecture.

Who knows, those of us who would not proclaim assembler proficiency
(a category to which I certainly belong) might even learn something.
Ooops, what a silly concept, this IS .advocacy!

Dave
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