HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs
Subject: Re: /etc/mtab and file lookup
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:12:08 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <VANDER.92Oct7084445@vancouver.stars.flab.Fujitsu.co.jp>, vander@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (Mike van der Velden) writes:
> In article <1aicbgINN8t7@early-bird.think.com> barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
> > >The solution to this, of course, it to use a real kernel prefix table,
> > >that stored not only the mounted directory and the mount point, but
> > >also the access permissions of each directory leading up to the mount
> > >point.
> > 
> > The Unix kernel already maintains a cache of pathnames, which provides much
> > of the performance increase that you want.
> 
> 
> But the point is, this pathname cache is searched from top to bottom
> (in terms of the directory heirarchy), which can cause incorrect
> behaviour if part of that heirarchy is mounted from one or more NFS
> servers.  
> 
> The idea of the prefix table is to improve correctness, and a side
> effect should be improved performance.


If the kernel directory cache causes incorrect behavior, then it is
broken.  (Yes, to the extent that the 3 second or other directory name
cache timeout is a very fragile cache invalidation mechanisum, the name
cache is broken.  But so is any other caching technique based on the
NFS protocol, including whatever are prefix tables.)

Anything, including a "prefix table" that gives an answer different
from what I understand to be the usual answer from the client name
cahce is also broken.

The only useful implementations of name caches give exactly the same
results as going over the wire (assuming nothing has changed on the
server to invalidate the client's cache).

The usual directory name cache implementation involves lookups starting
from the beginning of the pathname.  I don't know if that is what is
meant by "from top to bottom", but based on the implication that a
"prefix table" would yield different answers, I suspect that I don't
agree that is the way the client name cache is usually searched.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs
Subject: Re: Just wondering...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:53:52 GMT
Organization: SunSelect
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tyger.east.sun.com

Quoth mcmorran@ll.mit.edu (Roy McMorran) (in <1992Oct13.142855.10519@ll.mit.edu>):
#....who that was I saw on MA route 3 the other day with the license plate
#"PCNFS"  ??

The bright red car with Mass plate "PC.NFS"? That was me..er, sorry,
that was I. Who else would you expect it to be? :-)

Geoff
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From: Andrew.Findlay@brunel.ac.uk (Andrew Findlay)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs
Subject: Re: Wordperfect on NFS network
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:16:45 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK


In article <92274.103425U22C5@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> U22C5@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Larry F Armbruster) writes:
>We are trying to implement Wordperfect on an NFS network.  The
>clients are on PC's and the server is a RISC 6000.

If at all possible, load the PCs with memory and tell WP to load all
its overlays at startup time. If you dont do this, there are some nasty
performance/load problems. The worst one that I know of is:

	Create a file with both text and graphics in it. Set this
	file off to print in PostScript format. While the print job
	is being processed, start editing another file.

Simple isn't it :-) The effect of this is to cause WP to alternately read
two 64k chunks from its overlay file as fast as the network will supply
them (assuming a reasonable typing speed). One or two PCs doing this can
have serious effects on most NFS servers. We had a whole classroom....


More obvious point: make sure that printing is not initiated on timeout
or you will get half printjobs.

Andrew


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From: Jan.Lucenius@tel.vtt.fi (Jan Lucenius)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: NFS/FTP vs FTAM
Date: 13 Oct 1992 07:22:17 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
Reply-To: lucenius@tel.vtt.fi (Jan.Lucenius)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tel.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: klaseen@erg.sri.com's message of 9 Oct 92 23:45:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.234523.19518@erg.sri.com> klaseen@erg.sri.com (Elin L. Klaseen) writes:

>Path: vttux1!funic!fuug!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!stanford.edu!rutgers!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!sparkyfs.erg.sri.com!klaseen
>From: klaseen@erg.sri.com (Elin L. Klaseen)
>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.iso
>Date: 9 Oct 92 23:45:23 GMT
>Sender: news@erg.sri.com
>Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
>Lines: 5
>Originator: klaseen@allosaur.erg.sri.com
>Xref: vttux1 comp.protocols.nfs:523 comp.protocols.iso:254

>Does anyone out there know of any references, articles, test results, general
>comments on a comparison of NFS/FTP to the OSI FTAM (file transfer, access 
>and management)?

>Thanks, elin.

Yes, unfortunately I haven't written down any test results, nor have I
any possibilities to try the same test under same conditions again, but
as far as I remember, Isode FTAM over TCP/IP would have been a few %
slower than ftp, say less than 10% difference.

Jan
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs
From: backman@vaxeline.ftp.com  (Larry Backman)
Subject: Re: Lock problem when using PC-NFS
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 11:02:47

In article <1992Oct9.021559.13166@kum.kaist.ac.kr> hschoi@sorak.kaist.ac.kr (HeongSik Choi.(Korea computer communication)) writes:

 >> The version of PC/TCP and IDRIVE that I use were each 2.05 p13 and 1.1 p16. 
 >> And the NFS server is the Sun/SPARC of which version is Release  4.1.1.
 >> 
 >> I have tested that two client ,which were applications  using  MSC  6.0  on 
 >> PC/TCP, shared the common file  of  which  structure  was  DBASE  structure 
 >> (*.DBF file) on the NFS server.  One  client  locked  ,which  was  used  by 
 >> locking function[locking(handle,T_LOCK,rec_size)] of MSC,the record of  the 
 >> shared file and wait to input a key. Other  one  tried  to  lock  the  same 
 >> record of the shared file. But this one did not wait at the  locked  record 
 >> and continued to next statement. Also I tried to test with the version 
 >> 1.1 pl7 beta of IDRIVE but it was not working the same as above.
 >> 
 >> I want to  lock/unlock files on  NFS server in DOS application. 
 >> 
You need to contact support@ftp.com and get upgraded to the latest revision 
of both PCTCP & Idrive (V2.1 of both).  1.1PL6 had serious lock problems
which have long since been fixed.

Larry Backman
FTP Software

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.nfs
From: pgreen@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Philip Green)
Subject: PC-NFS printing
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:40:01 GMT

I am having problems with printing;

Server: Solbourne 
PC-NFS:4.0

net use LPT1: server:printername

returns

NFS230F: There is no printer named printername on server

The printer does exist and works fine for all the Sparcs.

When I used net printers server I got a list of printers
but with the second name from the printcap file. I then
tried

net use LPT1: server:printername(the one returned by net printers)

This time the return was

NFS040F: The specified file system is not local to server


What do I have to do to make this work?

-- 
Phil Green                           	pgreen@aoc.nrao.edu
NRAO					505.835.7294
From: jeff@UABOEING.UA.EDU ("Jeff A. Earickson")
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: /etc/ntp.drift
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:28:55 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Y'all,
   How is this file set up?  It is mentioned in the manpage for ntpd, and
that is it.  I keep getting the message "init_ntp: bad drift compensation
value".  Que pasa?

/*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
/* Jeff A. Earickson                         e-mail: jeff@uaboeing.ua.edu */
/* Cray/nCUBE/Sun Consultant,                  Work Phone: (205) 348-3969 */
/* Alabama Supercomputer Network                 Work Fax: (205) 348-3993 */
/* Boeing Computer Services                                               */
/* Address: PO Box 870346, University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL 35487    */
/* Snead's Axiom of Golf: "Drive for show, putt for dough."               */
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
From: hyder@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Paul Hyder)
Subject: Need details on PPS converter for Spectracom 8170 WWVB Clock
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:43:18 GMT

With the latest version of xntp I need a TTL to RS233 converter
on the Spectracom PPS line.  The directions are a bit sketchy for
exactly what this converter looks like.  Our HW folks were willing
to just give it a try but really would feel better if they could
see details of a working example.

Anyone out there built one and willing to send me a blow by
blow description?  Or is there a commercial version that I
can order from somewhere?  As always thanks in advance.
	Paul Hyder
	Network Engineer
	NCAR
From: jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: Re: Naive questions regarding GPS usage
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:57:20 GMT
Organization: British Telecommunications plc

In article <1992Oct6.174337.497@spectrum.xerox.com>, brucem@cinops.Xerox.COM
 (Bruce Mackey) writes:
> We are looking into getting a Motorolla GPS receiver (a SIXGUN 600).
> It is powered through its RS-232 port, and comes with an antenna, but
> what else is necessary?  Does it need any special drivers or does it
> work with xntp3 straight out of the box...?  I'd appreciate hearing from
> anybody who has had previous experience with this puppy.

No, as far as I know no-one has done a xntp3 interface to this device.
I did get a data sheet on this from Motorola but it's rather expensive.
It seems to be designed for low-cost military applications - if that's not
a contradiction in terms!
Motorola are now producing a 6-channel module for the automotive market
which is considerably cheaper than the 'sixgun', and there has been
some mention of this here. I believe that someone is currently looking
at a xntp3 interface to it. Watch this space.
Motorola have published a contact number for the automotive device:
Tom Whaley, Motorola Chicago (708) 480-6069 Fax: (708) 205-2890

John C Sager					Mail:	B67 G18, BT Labs
Email:	jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk				Martlesham Heath
Tel:	+44 473 642623					IPSWICH  IP5 7RE
Fax:	+44 473 637614					England
From: jeff@UABOEING.UA.EDU ("Jeff A. Earickson")
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: ntp conf help
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:35:15 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Y'all,
   After reading thru the ntpd manpage (somewhat clear) and the ntpinfo
file (totally opaque), I still need to ask about setting up /etc/ntp.conf
for the following two situations:

1) A single Sun3 (mine), so I can have the correct time.
I gather from the ntpd manpage that I use the "client"
keyword and reference a stratum-2 machine from clock.txt.  Should I 
reference multiple stratum-2 machines as clients?

2) A cluster of machines on a local net consisting of one Sun4, several
RS/6000's, and one Cray not directly accessible from the Internet.
I guess that I choose one machine to get time from the outside world,
say an RS/6000.  This machine refers to a stratum-2 machine as a client.
Then all of the local machines are peers of one another?  Or would the
Cray and Sun4 be clients to the RS/6000?

General questions:  

3) I gather from the literature that it is courtesy to send e-mail to
the person at the remote timekeeping machine, requesting that I use
their machine as a time source?

4) Does it make any difference if I pick timekeepers in my time zone or
not?  Should I pick a machine in Central time over one in Eastern time?
/*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
/* Jeff A. Earickson                         e-mail: jeff@uaboeing.ua.edu */
/* Cray/nCUBE/Sun Consultant,                  Work Phone: (205) 348-3969 */
/* Alabama Supercomputer Network                 Work Fax: (205) 348-3993 */
/* Boeing Computer Services                                               */
/* Address: PO Box 870346, University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL 35487    */
/* Snead's Axiom of Golf: "Drive for show, putt for dough."               */
/*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
From: paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: Leap second list since Dec 31, 1987?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:40:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvvDCC.Bx3
Reply-To: Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I'd like to update my zoneinfo files with the leap second corrections 
since Dec 31, 1987.  Anyone have such a list to share?

/pbp
-- 
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the right of the People to keep and read Books shall not be infringed."
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
From: jrr@scamp.concert.net (Joe Ragland)
Subject: Re: Need details on PPS converter for Spectracom 8170 WWVB Clock
Organization: CONCERT Network Operations Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.184318.27518@ncar.ucar.edu> hyder@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Paul Hyder) writes:
>With the latest version of xntp I need a TTL to RS233 converter
>on the Spectracom PPS line.  The directions are a bit sketchy for
>exactly what this converter looks like.  Our HW folks were willing
>to just give it a try but really would feel better if they could
>see details of a working example.
>
>Anyone out there built one and willing to send me a blow by
>blow description?  Or is there a commercial version that I
>can order from somewhere?  As always thanks in advance.
>	Paul Hyder
>	Network Engineer
>	NCAR

Paul,

You might find a postscript file that diagrams our 1 PPS line to 
Sparcstation RS232 port helpful.  This circuit was used when we put 
together what it took to fire up a Spectracom clock as a stratum 1 server
using the Sun.  It's in dist/tty_clk.tar on ftp.concert.net.  The engineer 
that put that converter together commented that there were a number of ICs 
that can do the job.  Those indicated were used just because they were
readily available.  Hope it helps.

--joe
From: kent@tfd.COM (Kent Hauser)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: Need external time source for use with NTP
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:50:38 GMT
Organization: Twenty-First Designs, Wash, DC


I need an external clock which I can connect to a serial port
on a Sun & drive NTP. This clock should listen to one of the
(over the air) broadcast clocks, and needs to work in
San Francisco, Wash, DC, Ventura County (CA), New York City, and
Danbury, Conn.

I am familiar with the Kinemetrics/Truetime series of clocks.
It seems that their GPS clock with a RS-232 output runs about $6000.

This clock seems expensive & I don't know how it would be supported
by NTP. Is there a better solution?

Thanks.

	Kent
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Twenty-First Designs		INET: kent@tfd.com
(301) 572-6370
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
From: randy@horsies.uucp (Randy Hopper)
Subject: Syncing a Network to 50ms Accuracy
Keywords: synchronize accuracy sun fddi ethernet
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:23:47 GMT

     I have a friend who would like to know if it is possible to synchronize
a network of workstations to an accuracy of 50 ms or better using NTP or
another package.  This could be the critical element of a big project, and
he would like to find out if it can be/has been done before.  The network
that will need to be synchronized is comprised of Sun 4/300 workstations
with both FDDI (100 MB/sec) and Ethernet (10 MB/s) LANs connecting the
workstations.
 
     If anyone has experience with NTP and its capabilities in this regard
or if anyone knows of another package that would solve this problem, your
input would be greatly appreciated.
 
     Please mail comments (or references) to both of the addresses below.
I will forward what messages I receive on to him.  Thanks in advance for your
help!
 
					Randy Hopper
 
					randy@horsies.b15.ingr.com
					gcrhh1@gcuxb.att.com

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: Re: Leap second list since Dec 31, 1987?
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:08:33 GMT

paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO) writes:

>I'd like to update my zoneinfo files with the leap second corrections 
>since Dec 31, 1987.  Anyone have such a list to share?

Here are the leap seconds since 1987,
taken from the latest released Olson time zone code,
which you can FTP from elsie.nci.nih.gov in pub/tz92.tar.Z.

# Leap	YEAR	MONTH	DAY	HH:MM:SS	CORR	R/S
Leap	1989	Dec	31	23:59:60	+	S
Leap	1990	Dec	31	23:59:60	+	S
Leap	1992	Jun	30	23:59:60	+	S
From: dkatz@CISCO.COM (Dave Katz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: More timely news from California
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:37:14 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

From the San Jose Mercury News, 10/15/92

M.H. cops keep up to second with atomic-clock checks

Here's some ammunition for those who say Morgan Hill officials are fiscally
irresponsible.

The city is running up a 14-cent-a-day telephone bill to maintain one-second
accuracy of police department computers.

It involves a call to the National Institute of Standards and Technology
in Boulder, Colo., each day at 2 a.m. to check the clocks of police
depertment computers against the agency's atomic clock--the timepiece 
that keeps U.S. satellites on schedule.

Why not just dial POP-CORN and get the telephone company's time check?

"For 99 percent of our calls, accuracy is not that crucial, but it could be,"
said Officer Alec Gagne,

[sic.  They cut the story at that point to make room for a box containing
a Reader Comment address and phone number.]

[POP-CORN seems to be the time lady's phone number out here.]
From: jones@HERMES.CHPC.UTEXAS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: What units are freq in.
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:33:35 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

xntp3 produces the follwoing syslog messages every hour:

Oct 15 06:03:39 magenta xntpd[7911]: offset 0.000897 freq 143.68918 comp 2

What does freq an comp mean?

Bill Jones

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: SunOS 4.1.3 clock changes ?
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:32:14 GMT

I upgraded my ELC to 4.1.3 (from 412) yesterday and the clock
went crazy. I had previously patched the kernel to decrement
tick as is customary on SparcStations and when I re-aquired
CHU the next day, the clock was about 8 seconds slow. Well,
100 ppm is 8.64 seconds per day, and and decrementing tick
slows the clock 100 ppm, so I conclude that under 4.1.3 Sun
has finally done whatever it takes to fix the gross inaccuracy
of the clock under previous versions. xntpd v3 has now aparently
decided to stabilize at about 4.1 ppm (that's what freq is at the
moment, and compliance is currently 1).

So, is it just me or is this for real?

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From: jost@jake.prz.tu-berlin.de (Jost Weinmiller)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.pcnet
Subject: packet driver interface
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:36:38 GMT
Organization: TU-Berlin TUBKOM, Germany

hi,

i am looking for a source code, building an addressable interface
to a packet driver.

i want to hand over packets from a higher layer to the
packet driver (got the driver already), have the driver
send the packets, grab the packets on the other end
and hand them over to the receiving higher layer again.

sounds quite simple, but i just cant find the interface.

any pointers welcome.

cheers
jost
-- 
jost weinmiller                
markelstrasse 41              
1000 berlin 41               
030/7933164
From: alex@elvis.sitka.sun.com (Alexander G. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
Subject: XTI
Date: 7 Oct 1992 02:30:16 -0700
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Reply-To: alex@elvis.sitka.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
Keywords: XTI, XOpen
X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net

Submitted-by: alex@elvis.sitka.sun.com (Alexander G. Smith)

I'm looking for information on the XTI standard..

Alex Smith
Sitka Corp.


Volume-Number: Volume 29, Number 54
From: brent@spss.com (Brent Lambert)
Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
Subject: Shared objects and dynamic loading
Date: 7 Oct 1992 02:25:59 -0700
Organization: SPSS, Inc. - portable code group
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net

Submitted-by: brent@spss.com (Brent Lambert)

Several platforms implement some form of shared objects & libraries,
and/or dynamic linking & loading.

Does, or will, Posix address these types of features?  Does, or will,
any other standard?

Volume-Number: Volume 29, Number 52
From: glennh@sgihbtn.sierra.com (Glenn Hoogerwerf)
Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
Subject: Re: POSIX.1 Application Conformance Test Suites
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:18:26 -0700
Organization: Sierra Geophysics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
Keywords: POSIX
X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net

Submitted-by: glennh@sgihbtn.sierra.com (Glenn Hoogerwerf)

    
    It is not sufficient to only identify the non-POSIX.1
system calls.  An ideal test suite should also test for
the likes of:

  - POSIX restrictions on assignment to errno,
  - references to system files not specified by POSIX 
    (e.g. /etc/passwd, /dev/kmem, and /dev/tty), and 
  - constraint and syntax errors.  

In addition, runtime checking must be performed to check 
for:
  - exceeding of minimum runtime limits,
  - parameters of calls to POSIX libraries, and
  - non-reliance on POSIX undefined or implementation
    defined constructs.


Thanks,

Glenn Hoogerwerf (glennh@sierra.com)
Base Standards Engineer

Sierra Geophysics
11255 Kirkland Way
Kirkland, WA  98033
(206) 822-5200


Volume-Number: Volume 29, Number 61
From: stephe@mks.com (Stephen Walli)
Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
Subject: Re: Participating in POSIX working groups
Date: 7 Oct 1992 02:27:21 -0700
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
X-Submissions: std-unix@uunet.uu.net

Submitted-by: stephe@mks.com (Stephen Walli)

In <1arghmINNnbe@ftp.UU.NET> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>Yes, go to the next POSIX meeting. It is in Utrecht, Netherlands starting
>on the 26th of this month. I don't have the details, sorry.

Ummm, that's the *19th* of this month, Simon. 
The meeting runs from 19 Oct through 23 Oct. 

For more info contact:
Brenda Williams,
IEEE Computer Society,
1730 Massachusetts Avenue NW,
Washington D.C., 20036-1903,
USA

+1 (202) 371-0101 (phone)
+1 (202) 728-9614 (FAX)

The hotels are the Holiday Inn and the Scandic Crown. 
There will be on site registration. 

cheers,
stephe

---------------- So there is a God. What's your point? ----------------------
Stephen R. Walli      Mortice Kern Systems Inc.      phone: +1 (519) 884-2251 
stephe@mks.com        35 King Street N., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2J 2W9


[ Also noted by seth@usl.com (Seth R Rosenthal); thanks guys -- mod ]

Volume-Number: Volume 29, Number 53