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From: tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Roger M. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Keywords: orgonomy
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:32:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan4.043212.2958
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Dec29.183006.1832@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>
>The presumption is not that molecules are divided, but that the dilution
>and succussion leaves an "energy" imprint of the original substance behind
>in the diluent.

This makes more sense under the orgonomic energy-metabolism model than under
conventional mechanistic biochemistry.  If you assume that a chemical only
has a positive effect on a living organism if its orgone/DOR energy charge is 
beneficial to the organism and whatever condition is ailing it, then it's
also reasonable to assume that some of the charge could be absorbed by water
it was immersed in (water absosrbs both OR and DOR).  However, were this
actually the case of what was happening, I'd be willing to bet that water
placed in a non-contaminated orgone energy accumulator would have effects
equal to or surpassing well-diluted homeopathic medicines.

-- 
Roger *M.* Wilcox   (aka Jeff Boeing)
tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu
Aleph null bottles of beer on the wall, aleph null bottles of beer, ...
From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Foot Care
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:29:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec29.222954.26302
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Greetings All -

Two weeks ago I had my best visit with an allopathic physician so far. 
Although her specialty is OB/GYN, I asked her about a Plantar's wart on
the sole of my foot.  She pegged me fairly well and suggested a garlic
remedy.  I'm to put the juice from a small clove on the wart each night,
and it should be healed in 4-6 weeks.  Anyone else ever try this, and what
results did you have? 

Also, my partner has a bad case of Athlete's Foot.  I use the Body Shop's
Peppermint Foot Lotion, which seems to prevent the fungus from taking hold
on my feet.  But what to do about a case already in existence?  Are the
pricey drugstore remedies the best way to go, or are there alternative
cures that people have tried? 

Thanks in advance!

- Gretchen
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Brain Machines
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 09:19:55 EST

In article <1992Dec29.224308.5244@ultb.isc.rit.edu> bbl7597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I am looking to buy a brain machine to handle my stress. They claim
>to induce alpha brain waves. Does anybody have any recommendations
>or warnings. 


Try before you buy.  Make sure you can get the effects you are looking for.
There are many things people can do to handle stress that don't require
special hardware or batteries.  For some kinds of medical durables,
there are trial or rental programs which let folks try out stuff and
make sure it works for them (e.g., phototherapy lights), with rental
costs applied toward purchase price.  I'd be wary if there was no such
program.


Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: phoffman@orac.holonet.net (Paul E. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: War cry of the scientific
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:16:20 GMT

In misc.health.alternative you write:
>I wondered how long it would take before someone would post this
>comment here. Scientific discussion is supposed to be welcomed here, I
>have mail (and copies of articles posted to news.groups by yourself)
>assuring me that scientific criticism would be welcome and encouraged
>in misc.health.alternatives. I suggest that you should be encouraging
>posts like Schumachers.


It doesn't seem like he needs any encouraging  :-).

Further, he is not making any scientific criticisms: he's damning everything
that is "alternative" with a single shot. When I learned about science, that
form of criticisim wasn't encouraged...

I hereby encourage the following types of posting:
"JKL Therapy for STU??!? That doesn't work! A scientfic study by the
University of ABC showed that the placebo was equally as effective.
The citation is zzzzz."

I also encourage:
"I doubt that will work. JKL Therapy has only been shown to work for
GHI syndrome."

I specifically discourage:
"If Jim NMOP says so, it must be false because he's always wrong."

>>Paul Hoffman

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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: terryk@encore.com (Terence M. Kelleher)
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:57:37 GMT

>>In article <1992Dec28.180843.20969@lclark.edu>, dan@lclark.edu (Dan Revel) writes:
Dan> Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec28.180843.20969

Dan> Greetings,

Dan> My wife and I are expecting our first child in January and I have
Dan> some questions about the pros and cons about childhood
Dan> vaccinations: which ones are good ideas and which ones may cause
Dan> more harm than good.

Dan> My understanding is that there is a range of vaccinations which
Dan> are required by law (in Oregon), but that we may decline these
Dan> vaccinations by claiming religious exemptions.  From discussions
Dan> with our naturopathic doctor I understand that polio and tetanus
Dan> vaccinations are advised, and others, like mumps, measles, and
Dan> diptheria, are not advised on the basis of the potential harm or
Dan> inefficacy of the vaccine and the treatability of the diseases
Dan> they are intended to defend against.

Dan> I would like to be able to make the best informed decision
Dan> possible for our child.  Any comments and/or suggestions on where
Dan> to look for more information about this topic would be
Dan> appreciated.

1- Consider the potential complications of the diseases, not simply
the common effects.  The permanently harmfull effects of these
diseases are far more likely than the potential complications of the
vaccine.  Mumps may lead to meningitis or to deafness.  Measles may
lead to blindness.  There are other complications.  Read up on the
diseases. 

2- Consider schooling.  You may be able to send your children to
public schools in Oregon right now, but lack of vaccines may restrict
them from entering college later.  They may also be prevented from
travel in forign countries.  Consider the possibility that they may
require these vacines as adults.  What are the risks of these same
vaccines in adults?

  side note:  State University of New York's Binhamton campus was
  closed a few years ago due to a measles outbreak.  All students were
  required to be vaaccinated against measles before being allowed back
  on campus.



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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Acidophilus & Cascara for Antidepressant GI Side Effects?
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:36:20 GMT

In a previous article, mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) wrote:
> 
>Anyone have any experience using acidophilus or cascara sagrada for the
>management of gastroinestinal side effects of antidepressant
>medications?  Can anyone point me in the direction of information
>concerning long term GI or other effects of these agents?
> 
>Two people with bowell problems related to antidepressant medication
>related the following to me recently:
> 
>	- a 23 year old woman successfully treated for obsessive 
>	compulsive disorder with clomipramine (Anafranil) 300 mg/d
>	had severe constipation which did not improve with metamucil
>	and dietary management.  Her bowells have been working normally
>	while taking cascara sagrada 1 tsp daily while continuing
>	Anafranil 300 mg/d; obsessive symptoms have remained in 
>	good control.

I take Elival and have found that taking a high enough dose of magnesium
offsets the constipation problem, since enough of it acts as a laxative.
Another person I know does the same with Vitamin C.  I went with magnesium
because I was already taking a lot for a twitching problem.  Magnesium has a
calming affect on the nerves, which may be useful in itself for some
psychiatric disorders, I suppose.

Mark London
MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: waddell@eeyore.nas.nasa.gov (Harry W. Waddell)
Subject: Cancer treatment
Keywords: cancer herbal treatment
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 00:21:18 GMT

A friend told me of an herb for cancer treatment that was highlighted
in a recent edition of the Amercan Cancer Journal. Would anyone happen 
know the issue and/or the name herb in question. Any other related info
would also be appreciated. 

Thanks in advance,

Harry
waddell@nas.nasa.gov

my views and my employers rarely, if ever, intersect.
From: aquilanm@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Mark T Aquilano )
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: FELDENKRAIS
Date: 2 Jan 93 07:19:44 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

Over the past year I have begun to experiment with some of the excercises
in Feldenkrais' "Awareness through Movement" and "The Potent Self."  I am 
very interested in finding a teacher to work with, but don't know of any
in the Tucson area.  I would really appreciate any leads anyone might have.

Thanks,

Mark Aquilano

gas.uug.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: sdb@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne)
Subject: Re: Eczema and holistic cures
Organization: ScotSoft Research
	<22DEC199215311771@cc.weber.edu>
	<1h8b0dINNc4c@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:28:11 GMT

In article <1h8b0dINNc4c@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> fish@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kevin Haddock) writes:

   If however you want to go it on your own, you can either fast for 5 days
   on springwater or go on a rotation diet.

That sounds like a good solution to eczema - NOT. Why use an ointment
when you can spend a lot of money and time on worthless trips to a
clinical ecologist?

Both of you would be well advised to investigate the extensive
literature on Clinical Ecology and food sensitivity before putting
yourselves in the hands of these snake oil salesmen.

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: patty@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Patty Haley)
Subject: more on echinacea
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:07:59 GMT

Scott Dorsey writes:

Well, the basic idea with making a tincture is that everything soluble in
alcohol (and that includes a large number of compounds) goes into solution
and you use the solution, discarding the woody residue.

I assume that the stuff you are referring to uses a similar solvent, and
then they evaporate the solvent.  I don't know exactly what is being
referred to here, but I assume that a process like that would leave a 
fairly thick, tarry substance behind which would be a lot more concentrated
than the tincture.

Personally, I don't mind just taking a tincture... after all, a few drops
of ethanol aren't going to hurt you any.  
--scott


Yep, the substance is thick, no doubt about it.

But, even if you don't mind "a few drops of ethanol" (I sure do), why
would you want to pay for about 70% echinacea and 30% alcohol.  The
"pure" echinacea I get costs the same as the bottles containing the 
echinacea/alcohol mixtures.  Besides, the concentrate is more powerful.

-Patty
From: fish@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kevin Haddock)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Asthma, adult onset
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:08:01 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: world
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In article <1ha9jcINN4uf@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Dr. Kaplan,
>
>What is your official position regarding whether or not homeopathy
>should be allowed to be practiced in this country?
>

[ bunch of stuff about drugs deleted ]
>As an MD obviously opposed to homeopathy, what would you possibly have to 
>offer me that would bring with it the promise of correcting my asthma?
>
>My initial consultation with my ND cost me $105.00. How much would you
>charge me?
>
>Greg
>
>
>

As far as controvertial asthma treatments go, check out the book:

The Emperor Wears No Clothes   by  Jack Herer

This book is all about the Hemp conspiracy.  According to this book (and
sources are listed therein) the BEST treatment for asthma especially
in children is smoking pot!  I have not personally tried it but the evidence
they give is compelling and thanks to the DEA the doctors are not even
allowed to research it to find out why!

BTW, if you think this is far out (some of you M.D. types out there)
go buy the book yourselves and go ahead and disprove it.  Jack offers
a $10,000 reward for anyone who can disprove anything in the book.  It
just might make a payment or two on your malpractice insurance, who knows!

-Kevin
fish@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

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Hackers do it with fewer instructions!


Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: echinacea
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:18:14 GMT

In article <92356.220917LMACC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Len Alshan <LMACC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

   Has anyone had any experiencing using echinacea.  If so, please tell me
   type purchased (extract,power,pills) and dosage used.
   Thanks
   Len

Yes, I used echinacea about a year ago. I bought the tincture and used
it during two colds. The dose I used was 30-40 drops in a glass of
warm water, the dose recommended on the label. I took it 2 or 3 times
a day. My experience was that it provided some relief, but did not
eliminate the colds. In contrast, I took some homeopathic medicine for
a cold two months ago. It provided dramatic overnight relief and the
cold was gone 2 days later.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		ad astra per aspera

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: thagerma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Teresa D Hagerman)
Subject: Chiropractic advice
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:14:24 GMT


Since I started spending much of my workday at a desk and/or a pc, I've noticed
an increase in neck, shoulder and upper back pain.  I've tried stretching 
exercises at work and they do provide some short-term relief...but I still ache
at the end of the day.

I am considering chiropractic care. A co-worker gave me a gift certificate for 
a visit to her doctor, so there won't be any cash at stake for the first visit.

Suddenly, many well-meaning friends and family members are warning me..."it
will cost an arm and a leg"..."it does more harm than good"..."they're a bunch 
of quacks"..."you just need to get more exercise"...and so on.

Does anyone have any advice?  Any experiences (good or bad) to share?

Thanks in advance!
Teresa Hagerman
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: phoffman@orac.holonet.net (Paul E. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: TCM
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:41:30 GMT

cycy+@cs.cmu.edu (Cowboy) writes:

>As a start, I want to point out the accupunture is a technique of Traditional
>Chinese Medicine, not separate from it. 
Quite right. In fact, most US acupuncturists would say that they practice
traditional Chinese medicine, not something called "acupuncture." For
example, most of them use herbs as much (if not more) than needles for
common problems.

>Also included would be different types
>of massage and Chinese herbal formulae. It is a system which is in common use
>throughout Asia, including in Japan, along with western medicine, and I believe
>it is the oldest medical system in existence. It can also be very complicated.
Some would argue about "oldest", but some would argue about anything. :-)

>>Paul Hoffman
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: mpcook@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Cook)
Subject: Re: Clinical Ecologists?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 18:24:37 GMT



>Has anyone ever heard of Clinical Ecologists?  They have a society.  Are
>there many members?  Is there still much research going on in this area?
>Anyone ever been through thier programs?  Care to share your experiences
 
Clinical Ecologists (of which there are not many) deal with sensitivities
to chemical and biological agents in a somewhat unconventional manner
(i.e., their methods are not held in high esteem by "conventional"
allergists).
 
Little research has been done, from what I can tell due to the fact that
they are not offcially recogized by the Medical Establishment (i.e.,
the AMA).
  
I know several dozen people (including my wife) with severe chemical 
sensitivities known as Environmental Illness or MCS (Multiple Chemical 
Sensitivity Syndrome) who are seeing Clinical Ecologists.  There is,
however, quite a range in the degree of help these patients have received
for their symptoms. 
  
Clinical Ecologists (the ones I am familiar with) tend to be M.D.'s who
have gone off the beaten trail to help their patients when conventional
allergy treatments have simply failed.
  
If you have sensitivities to a range of substances, or suspect you do,
a Clinical Ecologist is a wise option, in my opinion.
 
Mike Cook - mpcook@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: bobw@shiva1.cac.washington.edu (Bob Williams)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: echinacea
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:44:18 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems
Distribution: world
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On the use of echinacea for accute problems...

I beg to differ.  I've found that a echinacea/baptisia compound (herb pharm
is a good brand) works very well to prevent the escalation of colds or other
viral ailments.  In fact, used at the very beginning of a problem, I think
it is more effective (prevention et al) than later in the course of the dis-
ease.

Given that this compound is a general immune system booster, I would be
hesitant to take for a full two weeks.  Its efficacy diminishes rapidly
the longer one takes it.
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Subject: Anecdotal evidence (was Re: Asthma, adult onset)
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:23:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.192018.24074@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:
>
>I don't want to challenge the conclusions anyone wants to draw for
>themselves about any of this.  But the legitimate question Asked by
>Dr. Kaplan had to do with acceptable scientific evidence and whether
>there was any about alternative treatments for asthma.  Anecdotal
>evidence is NOT acceptable evidence for the general case.  For all you
>know, your asthma changed for entirely different reasons than the ones
>you attribute the changes to, just as the onset of rain after a
>raindance  does not constitute acceptable evidence for a causal
>linkeage.  I am a severe asthmatic and simply want to know about
>good evidence and no amount of anecdotal recounting is going to help
>me evaluate appropriately.  For every anecdote about positive effects,
>there may be two dozen untold anecdotes about lack of effects, or
>about negative effects, due to the same procedures.
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Ted Grusec - Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Ont., Canada

It seems like it would be a good idea for people to be specific
about their intents so that those interested in discussing
alternative treatments based on other's experience can continue.
My primary belief in homeopathy in based on personal anecdotal
evidence.  While this is not scientific proof, and I do not
expect skeptics to believe it, it is enough for me becuase of the
large variety of conditions that have reacted strongly to treatment.
It is theoretically possible that it is all a placebo effect but
it strains credulity for me to believe so.  If I can cure so many
conditions by taking harmless sugar pills, then I probably don't
need many doctors at all.  Supporters of allopathy might also
consider the implications of the placebo effect on their practice.
What does it say about their lack of understanding of the
healing system of the human body?

Since I became convinced of the efficacy of homeopathy, and I
am a "technical" type, I have spent some time looking into the
scientific literature and will pursue it further here for the
skeptics who are open-minded and not rude about the issue.  I
have some references at home.  I will dig them up and post them
soon.

Just remember that there is a big difference between a theory
being _not proven_ and being _disproven_.
-- 
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A thought for the holidays:
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	- Benjamin Franklin			dean@vexcel.com
From: ruthb@hotspring.sitka.sun.com (Ruth Blackburn)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Bates method (natural vision improvement
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:51:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 6419@netcom.com, kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>In <BSIMON.92Dec28071326@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
>
>
>The book that I did enjoy finding was "Natural Vision Improvement" by
>Janet Goodrich, published by Greenhouse Publications in Australia
>(ISBN 0 909104 90 5), and Celestial Arts in the US (ISBN 0-89087-471-9).
>
>Lots of practical advice in making the transition back to clarity,
>lots of different sorts of approaches, all presented clearly and with
>a lot of joy.
>
>
I second this.  This is the book that my vision teacher recommended when I 
took his improvement course five years ago.  

Ruth
ruthb@sitka.sun.com
From: pettit@cs.unc.edu (Cynthia Pettit)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: appetite supression
Keywords: appetite suppression,herbal
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:53:49 GMT

In article <1hopukINNok2@flash.pax.tpa.com.au>, rowlands@flash.pax.tpa.com.au (David  Rowlands) writes:
|> Can anyone suggest a method of appetite supression, herbal or otherwise
|> except modern drugs.

If your aim is weight control, diets and appetite supression won't cut it.
Remember, your goal is not weight reduction, but health, since weight is a
sigh of ill health, attack the problem, not the symptom.

Look for a diet that aims for optimum health, avoiding foods that are
*un*healthy.  The weight will follow.

Cyn

-- 
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        could be hazardous to your health...
should I wait until the studies are in to worry, 
        or should I worry now?"
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