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From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)
Subject: Re: Can anyone be a Black Belt?
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:17:03 GMT

>In article <1992Aug12.152258.18293@math.okstate.edu> hoff@fasic5.tmc.edu (Jim Hoff) writes:
>|Hello,
>|	I just thought I'd put this question to the group.  A while back,
>|I got into a rather heated argument with other senior members of my (then)
>|doj*.  I asked them if anyone who came through their doors could eventually
>|become a black belt.  There answer was that as long as anyone came regularly,
>|paid his dues, and paid for testing, that person, regardless of whether or
>|not he could walk and chew gum at the same time, would get his (or her) 
>|black belt.
>

In my system (Kodenkan Danzan Ryu Jujitsu), a person can only test and
obtain an "official" black belt from one place: the Professors (or top
ranking people).  I believe this is to preserve the art -- keeping it as
close to the original as possible.  ...And to ensure the "validity" of
each and every black belt.  You obtain ranks through Ikkyu at your dojo,
then attend a black belt test given a few times a year...

Question: do any other systems have such "regulated" black belt promotions?

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From: kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Christian MA
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:29:58 GMT
Reply-To: kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug15.025141.12827@cs.mun.ca> brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>I do Yoshinkan Karate.
>[...]
>
>BTW anyone out there ever hear of Yoshinkan, or do it...
>

I have not heard of Yoshinkan karate, but I have heard of a style of Aikido
called Yoshinkan.  I have also heard it called Yoshinkai, but I am not sure
if these are the same of different aikidos.  Any Yoshin(kan|kai) aikido 
practitioners out there to set the record straight?
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From: ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman)
Subject: Back to school
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:28:37 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Well, summer is almost over and it's back to the old U for me.  From
a martial-arts point of view that's great, except for one thing: lack
of a punching bag.  I have a feeling that my schedule and those of the
rec buildings on campus will make it very difficult for me to use a
public bag, and the folks at housing aren't likely to let me sink a
makiwara in the parking lot.  Still, something to strike will be
useful -- knuckle pushups don't help one's kicks too much!

Does anyone know of a solution to this problem?  My dorm room will
have cinder-block walls, so there will be a solid support available,
if that is any concern.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

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From: jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Fencing
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In article <1800@celia.UUCP> celia!doug@usc.edu (Doug Nichols) writes:
>Ok, here we go...
>
>Don't be making disparaging remarks about us foilists. We're very
>sensitive, you know. The least little thing, and we'll likely be
>off in a corner, inconsolable for hours on end....
>
>Epee. Ooh! Toe touch! Hurt me!
>Sabre. Sure. Cut off my head. Like THAT would stop me...
>
>    :^)
>
>Doug


Heh, yea I like that one, Us sabre people got the weapon :) heh , yea I do foil and epee to..
all of them are fun, and take a lotta skill to handle correctly.
Hrm maybe we all better fade into the background again.. so the MA people that
don't have anything to do with fencing don't get to annoyed at us.. :)..

(wonder why there is no fencing group, rec.fencing? hrm...)

Jonathan J. Smith
From: kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders )
Subject: Re: What is Sticky Hands (was Re: Wing Chun style...help!)
Originator: kxs5829@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:58:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.234842.21301@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>And John, being that your in Australia, that's William Cheungs
>territory (one of the premiere exponents of Wing Chun in the
>world).  Take a look for his schools over there.  I know there's
>a bunch.

	Um, no offense to you personally Marty, but someone would do well to
avoid William Cheung and his teachings.

	- Kyle

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From: jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Fencing
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:32:56 GMT

In article <Bszo4s.M11@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> jquarant@mipos3.UUCP (James R. Quaranta Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.063150.16590@nevada.edu> taltos@nevada.edu (dml) writes:
>
>  Is this the appropriate newsgroup for fencing? If not, where?
>
>                                          taltos@helios.nevada.edu 
>
>___________________________________________
>
>Yes!  We fencers are lurking here...just don't discuss the practical
>self-defense applications of foil--you'll be laughed off the net.
>
>Epee', on the other hand....  ;^)
>
>jq
>
>no .sig.  leave me alone.
>
>


hey hang on :) heh, actually I prefer the sabre.. oh well :) yea there are a few
of us fencer types out here.. don't think there is a newsgroup for fencing.

Jonathan J. Smith

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From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Sparring or Tournaments? (was Re: The Christian MA)
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:00:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecst.1992Aug14.190027.10195
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <34255@cbmvax.commodore.com> kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - CATS) writes:
>
>AND NOW, FOR A SMALL DEGREE OF R.M-A CONTENT:
>
>Aikido does not have sparring or tournaments, and we actively work at
>getting away from "goal" and "prize" orientation.  What other martial
>arts work from this premise?  I can't imagine eskrima sparring or
>ninjustu tournaments, but my exposure to other arts is limited to 
>watching some TaeKwonDo and working with a Gojo-Ryu blackbelt who is
>also studying aikido. 

Our jujitsu system does not have sparring or tournaments as such either.
We have what is called kata tournaments where teams of 2 demonstrate
a few required techniques and a few optional ones with the goal of
performing them as well as possible.  Contestants are judged on control,
safety, effectiveness, focus, etc...

Just recently we have started some freestyle competition where the person
who is "it" is randomly attacked by one or two people.  Here the guy who
is "it" can choose to any technique he can safely (a few are not allowed
because of safety).  Judging is on variety of techniques as well as the
areas mentioned above.

The down side to this, perhaps, is that we have no real "fight" training.
In fact, it is said that a jujitsu-dude cannot defend himself very well
until after black belt level...  For me, this is OK.  I'm here more for
the mental/spiritual benefits.


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From: sowton@convex.com (Robin Sowton)
Subject: M.A. schools - Austin, TX?
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:31:44 GMT
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I'm moving to Austin soon and I was wondering if anyone can recommend 
a good jujutsu or karate school in the area?

Currently, I have a brown belt (sankyu) in aiki-jujutsu and I'm very
happy with the school in Dallas, but I'm doubtful that there will be
an affiliate in Austin. (I'm checking with my Sensei later this week.)

If there isn't an affiliate, I'll probably have to start over again 
as a white belt; in which case, I'd like to start in karate (something 
I've always wanted to take along with jujutsu, but have never had enough 
time for ;-) ).

I realize that it's difficult to find the "ideal" school and there 
will probably be some trade-offs; however, I'm especially interested 
in recommendations for a school that:

  -Emphasizes "martial" and "art" rather than sport. That is...
   oriented both toward defense (what works on the street) and developing
   the inner spirit (e.g., practicing meditation).

  -Includes sparring but not excessively tournament-oriented.

  -Promotes a positive attitude of respect and helpfulness between the 
   Sensei and the students, and among the students.

  -Has co-ed classes and a positive attitude toward female students.

  -Leans toward use of Japanese terminology rather than English.

  -Is less money-oriented. That is... The students are not always being
   persuaded to buy something or pay a fortune for 3-hour seminars, and
   there are not 50 million belt colors/patches to deal with.

  -Teaches martial arts in a way that builds up the body (as opposed to
   breaking it down with arthritis-inducing board pounding and incorrect
   stretching exercises).


I'd appreciate any recommendations. BTW, the above are just my specific 
preferences to help narrow the recommendations and hopefully, the search.
I'm not not trying to start any flames. ;-) Each person seeks what is best
for him/her. If possible, please mail to: sowton@convex.com.

Thanks,

Robin

     -And, sorry about the broad posting.
From: ami-tox@cup.portal.com (Enrico Ami-tox gilberti)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kali/Arnis/Escrima in NY or S. CT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 08:15:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Looking for a Kali/Arnis/Escrima school in the NY/CT area.  for being the lar
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From: burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Fist in Shotokai
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:18:55 GMT

That Shotokai punch looks quite painful for the puncher.  Have you hit
anything with it yet?

I use the "Shotokan-style" punch with the top of the arm and fist
flat, but I agree that it seems poorly designed for head strikes.
When punching to the head, I use either an uppercut, hook punch, or 
supinate my fist to strike at either side of the chin.  The only 
straight punch I do to the face is to the upper lip, and even then
I figure that my opponent's teeth are going to slash my fist
(according to Mas Oyama, cuts frm teeth are a great way to get
infections).

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: shane@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Shane Brown)
Subject: Help ! Need feet of DEATH !
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Psychology Department, U.Q
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:53:07 GMT

Greetings !
   First, forgive me for my trashy tabloid headline style subject 
line 8). I don't really want feet of DEATH (I'd have both feet in 
the grave way too soon !). What I would like though is information
regarding the process of adaptating hands and feet for the purpose of 
striking hard objects. First, can you condition hands or feet to any
great degree ? Second, what would be the best method ? 
   Why do I ask ? Because I am sick of losing my voice screaming
when I let rip with a roundhouse in sparring, only to feel the
top of my foot connect with the point of my partners elbow. AAARRGG !
   Oh, and just in case.... if tree felling a la Jean-Claude Van 
Damme, and plunging fists into super heated gravel a la Enter the 
Dragon are the best methods, I think I'll take up Macrame Do.
   But seriously, you Kickboxing, Muay Thai or simply more
knowledgeable types out there, can you help me out ?

Cheers, Shane 


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From: brad@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Brad Appleton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: TKD History
Summary: Please e-mail info
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:05:32 GMT
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL

I am trying to find out as much as I can about the history of
TaeKwonDo.  I know "History of Korean MA" was a somewhat recent thread
but I missed most of those articles - if someone still has them (or
could e-mail a thorough summary) I would appreciate it.

Also, in addition to "ancient" history, I am trying to look for more
recent history (say 1900 to present) on TKD. Ive looked at a bunch of
books but they are all very one-sided and refuse to even acknowledge
certain things (e.g WTF wont acknowledge ITF and vis-a-vis, and
neither seems to acknowledge foreign influences). I would also like to
find out as much as I can about the history of WTF, ITF, ATA, WTTU if
anyone knows.

DO NOT POST YOUR REPLIES TO THIS GROUP!
PLEASE SEND E-MAIL (I will summarize if there is sufficient interest).

I am trying to compile as accurate and as objective a history profile
as I can and any information you can give would be greatly
appreciated.

PS:
I am revising my list of TKD terminology (thanks to all of you for
your corrections and additions) and will try to re-post it within a
month (perhaps accompanied by a tidbit on TKD history)!

Profuse Thanks in Advance!!!
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From: lmgay@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Leroy M. Gay)
Subject: Re: Help ! Need feet of DEATH !
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:56:01 GMT

mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Aug18.075856.24206@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ddewar@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (derek.a.dewar) writes:
: 
: 
: *sigh* I was hoping to avoid telling this story in public, because it's
: so damn embarrassing...but here goes.
: 
: Instep protectors will reduce trauma somewhat, but they don't guarantee
: that you won't get hurt.  Never mind bruising -- I BROKE my foot kicking 
: an elbow, and I was wearing both instep protectors and foam boots at the
: time. 
: 
: I'm very talented.
: --
Gosh Mary, it is hard to imagine a sweet person like you trying to kick
somebody's ribs inside out.  What did they do to deserve the full
force of your kick?  

:-)

-- Leroy __  (Hiding behind a keyboard, practicing keydo)

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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Laurens off to Japan....
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:58:32 GMT


...and please, PLEASE pray that she comes back *without* jetlag...

-mukund
:-)
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Wing Chun style...help!
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:10:33 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Aug15.022616.5889@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund) says:
>>Nope.  (Not unique)
>Then what other art has the "sticky" type hands to the extent Wing Chun
>does?

The concept of sticking is absolutely vital in Taiji, Xingyi, and BaGua.
Taiji and Xingyi push hands is every bit as sophisticated as Chi Sao,
and develops many of the same characteristics. 

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The rat, MA, and others
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:56:00 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Mary writes:
>Your description was rather vague.  You said it came towards you, not
>that it was attacking.  I know this isn't the same as the situation you
>described, but if you corner an animal (or if they think they're 
>cornered), they'll usually charge you to get loose.

Funny, I thought I said:

" I was sitting in a doorway downtown just out of the rain,
greeting people.  A rat runs out of the storm drain right towards me."

ergo I was cornered, then I charged it to get loose exactly as you
describe. :-)

>But you said you kicked at it.
Funny, I thought I said:
" try to soccer style *plant left-kick right* boot him into the street."
But never got the kick off because:
" Rat does a 180, zips back into the storm drain, with me on his heels."
Loosely translated as Stephen too slow!


Let us propose the following not that far from happens every day in the
cities senario to try to mute the flamers a bit.  You hear your newborn
(say 4 mo old) baby crying and walk into the room and the rat that
just bit your kid jumps off the crib and starts running.  Assuming you
are A: unarmed and B: don't stand there thinking how sad this beautiful
creature of God bit my daughter :-)  but decide to give chase, what
is the most effective technique?

Even though my implementation was poor, I think the soccer style kick
should be considered becuase it can be executed on the run, has good
power, you can vary the angle of the kick to some extent even at the
last second.
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Shao-Lin Temple news
Keywords: i'm glad someone is out there!
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:52:47 GMT
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In article <71336@apple.Apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
>Alternatively, perhaps my memory is faulty, and the tablet
>for a Japanese school is for the Shorinji Kempo organization.
>If so, don't they claim that their founder, So Doshin, was
>instructed by two different Shao-Lin masters? Of course,
>it could be that this claim is false, but it's hard for me to
>see how you would know this with any confidence. Perhaps
>the Shorinji Kempo organization has recently revealed that
>they were kidding all along? Or there is some evidence
>that So Doshin's stories were fictional?

The story was from a Shaolin advertisement filmed by the Chinese
government.  I suppose it is more accurate than a private source.
From: lu@snips.tmc.edu (Xing-Qi Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Source needed for saying or proverb
Date: 14 Aug 1992 13:15:34 GMT
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy - Harvard Medical School
NNTP-Posting-Host: snips.dfci.harvard.edu

At 7:00 Am, Aug. 14, the launch for the Australia's communication satilite
was carried out successfully. It was broadcasted lively in China's national
TV network. Congradulations to the Chinese Scientists and Engineers ! 
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From: jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Yokomenuchi vs Hook-punch.
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:02:13 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	The arm movement of a hook-punch is similar but not same as that of
a yokomen style attack. So I was wandering how Aikido deals with the "hook" ?
	Moving outside the attack feals easy but only serves to avoid it not
to counter it, steping in as in yokomenuchi to force him to over extend the
strike does not seem as safe to me, am I imagining this, or is there a 
significant difference between the two attacks. It seems to me that a ofensive 
hook, i.e one in which the attacker is trying to cover ground may expose more
of his center or cause him to lose his balance, but nage may not always be able
to run around and induce this. 
I would be obliged if any of the more experienced could give me some hints.
						Thanks.


ps. In a similar fasion how does Aikido deal with the "upper-cut" in theory
I believe this should be similar to 'ski' type attacks, is that so?
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Violent Crime (WAS Re: Which form for children?)
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:47:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.232058.3606@spcvxb.spc.edu>, benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>   The fact (i think) remains that most of the violent crimes are committed by
> amateurs and not pros. 

	I suppose it all depends on your definition of "pro".  If by "pro"
you are picturing "To Catch a Thief", perhaps you are correct.  However,
in the U.S., most murders are committed by people with a previous history
of violence, most of whom have previously been convicted of violent offenses.
In my book, this makes them "professionals"...

	Normal people, sort of by definition, don't just lash out at random
and kill/assault others, at least in this country (of course, it does happen
on occasion, but people get hit by lightning too...).

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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: Rat's and stuff....
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:39:07 GMT


Geeeeezzzee......

Only on the Usenet (rec.martial-arts) can I sit down and
expect to see a discussion on applying martial arts to rats.

What's next?  Non-vertebrate creatures? :)



Marty

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