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From: jodi@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jodi Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Breed/Puppy Questions
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:57:12 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.


My wonderful cocker had to be euthanized about a month ago, and
while I miss her very much, I am starting to feel the
first faint twinges of "missing a dog around the house."

I won't be emotionally or physically ready to take
on another dog for a while yet. But  
I'm starting to think about acquiring a puppy (or maybe
two) sometime in December.

I'm looking for a breed with the following attributes:

- reasonably easy to train
- wants to please
- not an excessive barker or aggressive
- athletic and sturdy, able to run 4-5 miles
  or go for a 7 mile hike, but not one that
  requires enormous amounts of exercise
- not hyperactive--able to mellow out when I do
- 30-45 pounds full-grown

So far the breeds that I'm considering are primarily
the Australian Shepherd, and possibly the Norwegian
Elkhound. I have a fenced yard (3' fence) and
easy access to parks and a river trail for exercise.

Does anyone have any experiences with these breeds
or general comments--good and bad points, other things 
to be aware of? 

Any addresses for Rescue Associations
and/or breeders (I live in northern Colorado)?

Any other suggestions for breeds that I should investigate?


Also, my roommate and I have been discussing whether to
get two puppies (perhaps littermates) at the same time. 

PROS:

Would keep each other company when we're at work.
Would adjust to each other better as pups than if
 we introduced a second pup after the first was grown.

CONS:

Get into twice as much trouble.
Are twice as much work.
Bond more to each other than to us??


Any other thoughts on the "double jeopardy" of taking
on two pups at once?


Thanks in advance for your advice! Please email responses
as this site is about to lose access to the notes server.

--Jodi Peterson


jodi@fc.hp.com
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From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:06:03 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> In article <1992Sep28.172127.19699@u.washington.edu> Carol Brand,
> cbrand@cac.washington.edu writes:
> >A couple of people have stated that one of the main reasons to have a dog
> >is for protection.  My main reason for having a dog is love and
> >companionship.  I see it as my job to protect my dog, not visa versa.
> >
> >Your thoughts?

Part of my dogs' job is to bark if anything weird is going on (like 
people in the yard, attempts at the door, etc.). Once they have 
informed me, doing something about it is my job. 

Now if I could only set there sensitivity a little lower. ("Hey!! Hey
hey!! Hey Laura, there's some kids on their way to school! Laura, do
something! Hey!!)
-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with Golden Retriever
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:39:44 EST
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct5.205942.15748@unislc.uucp>, miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson) writes:
> 
>    stuff deleted    <
>
>     However, he is still very submissive and timid. Is this submissive
> behavior indicative of a dog who has been abused or is this somewhat the
> nature of the breed?  Also, what can be done to help this dog get over
> being so scared, besides of course lots of TLC?
> 
> I apologize if these are questions covered in the FAQ, I am new to the
> group.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Mike Thompson
> unislc!miket
> miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com
>
I don't think that it is all that common for goldens to be extremely timind and
submissive, but they are a breed that wants to please their master.  As he
makes progress towards not being so scared in one situation, gradually
introduce him to a new situation that is safe, but also that he is afraid of.
Obviously, don't punish him for being afraid, but don't do a whole lot to 
comfort him either.  It is best to ignore the behaviour and/or make light of
the situation.  For example, there was an obedience class that took place 
at a place that had a small statue in front of it.  One day a dog all of the
sudden noticed it (he had gone past it several times before and didn't care)
and wouldn't go past it.  The owner just went up to the statue and started
talking to it and touching it.  Eventually the dog was curious enough to go
up and look at it, and from then on, had no problem with it.

Good luck!  And thanks for adopting him!
Kim
 
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: loose dogs
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:09:23 GMT

A few more thoughts regarding walking dogs on or off leash. It is
frustrating to have more and more places shut down to allowing a dog
to run.However, I might point out that it is generally illegal in
most places to have a dog off leash.  Our small unincorporated
former town (La HOnda) had no leash law, but of course, there was a
county wide leash law that most La HOnda dog owners seemed to just
ignore.  The situation with loose dogs was SO bad (dogs biting kids,
pulling down foals, killing goats and other livestock), that we
moved.  Just because a particular park has no signs posted that
specifically state it is okay to have a dog off leash, doesn't mean
it is legal.

A sort of funny story regarding my Norwegian Elkhound, about 10
years ago.  She was obedience trained and had once earned the
comment by an Elkhound judge that she heeled extremely well.  Seems
the instinct is to range ahead of the hunter... Anyway, I went out
riding my horse and took Miska.  WE were riding along a dirt trail
and she was trailing my horse nicely when out of the blue a deer
jumped the trail and headed off towards the road.  Miska immediately
took off after the deer (I could see her think "An Elk, finally an
Elk for me to chase") When I finally caught up she was wandering
around in the road, looking very sheepish.  I even the best trained
dog may have a point when they "forget" and bolt. I had always done
a lot of work off leash and considered her almost 100% reliable.
It's better to be safe than sorry-she could have been hit by a car.

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Obedience Classes was Motivational Methods
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:00:24 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Dale Cook writes:
> I must add here that many people come to classes for an hour a week,
> obviously *never* work with the dog between classes, and wonder why
> Fifi isn't progressing.
>
> Charlie's point is well taken that often as not, much, if not all, of
> the blame lies with the student.


I dunno...from the amount of times I have heard obedience classes recommended
here on the net, SOME classes SOMEWHERE are very good. Let me tell you about
the three classes I have joined or observed in my area.

The formula seems to be: rent a gym, put an ad in the comunity course
calendar, charge a fee of $15 for 10 weeks, register about 60 people per
class, watch 80% drop out due to frustration 'cos they can't possibly learn
anything in a class that large, train the remaining few, go home and laugh
and count all the money!

The first class I attended with my first dog, I wasn't able to make it to the
final class, but I would have 'graduated' The second class with my dobie, I
was one of *4* people who 'graduated' and in both cases I did not learn a
blessed thing from the instructers besides how NOT to run an obedience class!
If I had not already taught myself how to train dogs via books, I would not
have graduatedfrom either class. Three different instuctors, three different
classes (the third one I didn't sign up once I realized it was the same sort
of thing)...this is the only thing available where I live! But I did know
better by the second one, I brought my dobie there simply to work him around
other dogs...now I go to Junior Kennel Club meetings, donate $2 and borrow a
corner of their training area, a very nice arrangement :)

The thing is though, sure, most of those people probably didn't practice
during the week, but neither did they go home with the skills they NEEDED to
be able to practice. Not only that, most of those people were not there
because they wanted to show their dogs, but because they needed HELP with
serious problems and they never did get any sort of help, even though the
instructor was always mobbed with questions at the end of each class.

When anybody asks me about classes I always say, don't waste your money, I'LL
help you with your dog.

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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: Signs you've gone to a bad veterinarian
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:01:53 GMT


Molly was about 4 months old when she got into some brush and injured her eye
(nothing serious).  Being Saturday at 11pm, we took her to the emergency vet. 
While waiting the the vet to get in, the vet tech started taking vitals.  He
inserted the thermometer, turn to get the stethescope and we heard a crash. 
On the floor at the wall (6 feet away) was a broken thermometer.  He blushed
and wrote on the chart "Good sphincter tone".

Does anybody else out there get Christmas cards from the emergency vet?
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: Training Seminar
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:53:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK

Hi!
	I just got information in the mail about an obedience training seminar 
with Annemarie Silverton.  Has anyone out there gone to one of her seminars?
I would like to know if you got a lot out of it.  $70 is a big chunk of money 
for a poor student!  The registration form says it's $40 for one day or $70
for both days.  If you only go on the 2nd day, won't you be totally confused 
because you missed the first day?  
       Any information would be appreciated!  Thanks!	
............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re: Help with neighbors!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:48:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Oct5.154829.22814
Organization: AT&T

GADS, I'd be sick over this....

Along with calling the police, I'd also call the landlord.
He knows you have the dogs, right?  In that case you shouldn't
have a problem with him, but get to him before the neighbor does
(and let him know his other tenant is throwing garbage into his
ajoining property!)

IF the dogs really are barking all day long the nieghbor would
have grounds to issue you a complaint through the police, and
eventually a fine.  On this issue you are stuck.  It will be
difficult to prove that the dogs are barking cause the kids are
taunting them.  You may have to look into keeping the dogs in the
house during the day - this also assures (I hope) their safety
when you are not home.  Dogs that are taunted like this CAN get
nasty, no matter how sweet their disposition - if one of the dogs
snaps at one of those kids, the neighbor will probably try to
have them taken away from you.  Yeah, staying in the house all
day sounds like a bummer, but lots of dogs survive.

As for not having water - secure the water buckets somehow.  My
water buckets are fastened to the fence cause my dogs WILL knock
them over in their pens.  Dogs who aren't used to being tied knock
things over till they realize how it's happening.

I know it ain't cheap (what about dogs is?) but is there a way of
extending the 4 foot fence upwards?  If it's chain link it would be
difficult, but if it's wood you could put 2 feet of lattice work on
top of the fence.  OR put up 6 foot stockade along that perimeter so
the dogs aren't hassled.  This would be a good thing to bring up to
the landlord, to show him you want to work things out.

GOOD LUCK!  Please let us know how it turns out!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Sib Husky Breeder Seeks Info
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:55:46 GMT

Hi

I'm posting this for a friend, who breeds Siberian Huskies.  They are
interested in increasing their breeding pool (Australia although big is
rather small in this case) and would like some info on various lines,
particularly Innisfree and Blackoak, but any other lines are also
welcome.  Would anyone interested please E-mail me with contact names,
addresses and phone numbers so I can pass them on.  

Thanks in advance

Stacey
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:06:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23778
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>  what can we do/should we do to help the
>  animals we love if not impose licensing fees on unneutered dogs
>  or legislate against random, "fun breeding." If not that, what?

The dogs that are ``given up'' at around age two to the shelter,
because ``they can't keep them,'' are the dogs that have finally
become behavior problems.  What they wanted was a puppy, and it grew
up and ceased to be cute.

The humane thing to do, is SET AN EXAMPLE:  train your dog to excellence,
take him out, walk around town, meet people.  Take the dog into
stores with you.  Be everywhere.

Let your dog show what being a great dog is.

The plain fact is, nobody knows what a dog IS anymore.  The newspapers
reinforce the ignorance;  all people expect is a puppy.

If you have access to strays, start training one around town.
I've done this using Koehler, which has never failed me.

The dog is amazing to everyone after two weeks, since they SAW the
progress themselves.

Wear an ``adopt this dog'' tee-shirt and a home will find itself.

The more people see training working, and what it produces, the more
people will see what a dog is when it isn't being a puppy; and the
more people who will be interested and motivated to keep and train
their dogs.

And possibly from the same people, less breeding.

Be very wary of ``humane'' orginazations.  They are usually the enemy.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Tipped over water dish.
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Keywords: water dish
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:44:58 GMT

This was brought up by Jeff in St. Louis who is having trouble
with his neighbors.  I resent you a message Jeff, so if you did
not get it, please let me know.  My sysadmin would like to see any
and all problems with mail in and out of this site.  Anyway,
I just wanted to pass on a good idea I saw on T.V. a while ago 
leaving a dog outside and their water bowl always being tipped over.
Use a bunt cake pan (is the name bunt registered by anyone?).
You know, the ones with a hole in the middle.  Use a large stake
through the hole in the pan and stake it in the ground.  The larger
ones can hold a lot of water and it is very hard to tip on over if
you use a large enough stake.  I thought this was a good idea so
I'm passing it along.

				--Michael Buening
				internet:mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: STOP USING BORAX AGAINST FLEAS!
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:46:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

The following is reproduced without permission from the October 1992 Dog Fancy:

***************

...Borax is extremely toxic if swallowed or absorbed through the skin...never
to apply borax to dogs or cats and always to store it out of reach of animals
and children.
                        Susan Conant
                        Newton, Massachusetts



According to the Merck Veterinary Manual, borax is toxic to animals if consumed
in moderate to large doses. Poisoning...has occured when borax powder was
scattered openly for cockroach control. Signs of acute poisoning are diarrhea,
rapid prostration and perhaps convulsions. - Editor

*****************

So...what about using salt instead, that should have pretty much the same
effect, right? And probably vacuuming it up right away would be best...?
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From: smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson)
Subject: Re: Raising dogs vs. children
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:37:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.235741.24609@odin.corp.sgi.com> bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com (Bill Glazier) writes:
>
>Reasons why dogs are neat but kids are much better
>
>
>1)   Dogs don't like being dressed up in cute outfits

Um, are you sure children like this? Well, maybe up to a certain age.... :-)



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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Training a dog to be more wary of strangers
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:00:09 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) writes:

>Hi,
>I have an adorable 5 month old male Boxer who LOVES everyone!  While I'm
>glad he's friendly I also expected him to be a bit more protective of
>his home and us.  Right now, he'd go home with the pizza delivery boy
>if I let him.  Will he become more wary of stangers as he gets older or
>is there something I can do to make him realize that he should be a bit
>more protective and "watch dog" like?

>Please send e-mail as I'm WAY behind in reading this newsgroup (although
>I hope to catch up soon :-)

I'll email this as well, but I thought I'd post it to.  

You should not expect a puppy to be protective.  You should train him
that meeting people is FUN.  The protective nature will come on it's
own as your dog becomes a full-fledged member of your pack.
Schutzhund dogs are expected to be FRIENDLY, outgoing and adventurous
as puppies.  In fact, many of them are outright friendly even as adults.  
That in no way decreases their desire or willingness to be a protector
of the pack.  Be glad your Boxer wants to go home with the delivery
boy.  The other alternative is that he be suspicious and afraid of the
delivery boy which would cause the pup to hide in the corner.

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
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From: oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann)
Subject: Cooling an overenthusiatic reception
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:36:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I'm hoping for some help here : basically, the situation is as follows :
We have a Samoyed ( alomost a year old ).  When I come home from work 
in the evenings, I get this hyperenthusiatic reception that leaves long
scratches on my legs & shredded hose.  I checked through my little 
library of dog books : I'm supposed to knee him in the chest, they say.
It doesn't work : I've gotten him good a couple of times, sending him 
flailing across the floor, and he comes back for more.  I suspect that 
he think's it's all a really weird new game.   I tell him to sit, and 
he goes down on his back legs, his front legs furiously flailing
away, scootching across the floor on his rump until he can get to me.
Any other ideas ? 

While I'm here : we free feed him, and in Texas 9 months out of the year,
that's a standing invitation for fire ants to come help themselves to 
dog chow.  I get around this by keeping the food bowl in a pie plate 
with about 1/2 " water in it, to which I've added some dish detergent.
The ants crawl in and die. 

Ritual disclaimer : My opinion and mine alone !  Convex, as best I can tell,
doesn't have opinions, being a corporate entity...
Carla Oexmann        {allegra, sun, harvard, uiucdcs, ctvax}!convex!oexmann
Convex Computer Corp.  3000 Waterview Parkway P.O. Box 833851 Richardson, TX
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Help with Golden Retriever
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.205942.15748@unislc.uucp>
   miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson) writes:
 
>However, he is still very submissive and timid. Is this submissi       ve
>behavior indicative of a dog who has been abused or is this somewhat the
>nature of the breed?
 
Both. Goldens (as a breed) tend to be "soft" dogs and hard treatment
can very easily make them very timid.
 
 
>Also, what can be done to help this dog get over
>being so scared, besides of course lots of TLC?
 
Time and TLC.
 
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:39:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23814
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Krueger writes:
>"Demand to get rid of unwanted dogs" is simply meaningless.  I take it
>you intended it to represent dogs arriving at the shelter.  It hadn't
>occured to you that some of the dogs arriving are there because their
>owners died, for instance.  Who exactly had the demand to get rid of
>them, is, shall we say, unclear.

Absolutely, when the owner dies there's an extra dog.

But demand to dispose of dogs people no longer want still goes down
if you call the place a dog disposal society, right???  It can go
down without vanishing to zero!

I'm happy to help with the math here :) decreasing doesn't require to zero.

If you tell people their dog will be killed, it reminds them
of what their responsibility is.

A shiny quarter to the first one who points out why humane societies
don't do that.