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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
Subject: Flash year 1 --- yawwwnnn
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:12:43 GMT


The first two issues of Flash year 1 have been pretty darned
boring.  Does anyone have any idea what the next two issues
will be like?

Also, is Mark Waid going to continue writing after the year
1 story wraps up?  Is there any information on what direction
is planned for the book re: supporting cast, future plotlines,
etc.?  The only thing I've heard is that there is an
upcoming 2-part crossover with Hal Jordan, with Grodd and
Hector Hammond.

Tom

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 10:57:53 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
 <visser.702972878@convex.convex.com> <1992Apr11.163631.10631@udel.edu>

In article <1992Apr11.163631.10631@udel.edu>, lintz@fred.cis.udel.edu (Brian
Lintz) says:
>
>In article <visser.702972878@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance      )
>Visser
>writes:

>>       Yes, but Shooter is largely responsible for the original "death" of
>>Jean Gray.  The character should never have been killed in the first place.

Point #1: Yes,it was stupid for Jim Shooter to kill JG off like that,but the
fact should've been left standing,as the entire idea of Jean being imprisoned
in a opaque capsule in suspended animation for all those years is,well,stupid.

>What?!! _The Dark Phoenix Saga_ was one of the best stories I ever
>read precisely BECAUSE of the ending. Jean Grey, hanging on to a
>shred of humanity, realizes that she cannot control the Phoenix
>force without being corrupted into Dark Phoenix and kills herself.
>What ruined this story was bringing her back.

Yeah,and it only affirms the point that I made about Marvel elsewhere: they'll
bring back _anybody_,if they think that they can get away with it. Their
lack of creativity and/or disrespect for their readers/collectors is appalling.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 02:45:51 EDT
From: <SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Powerpax
Distribution: na

When I first saw Powerpax, I beleived her to be the four members merged.
When she said her name was Frank, I realized I had misses Franklin Richards:
Powerpax is the Power Kids plus Frank merged into one being.

(And why not?)
              R I K
From: cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: dr.doom
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:27:05 GMT
 <1992Apr6.205314.24441@njitgw.njit.edu><1992Apr7.001339.15604@njitgw.njit.edu>
Organization: Senior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

*********************************
Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name), when Dr. Doom appeared 
in that new futuristic type armor, he suggested that ALL the appearances of
Dr. Doom after Fantastic Four #5 were just robots, and that the real Doom
hadn't appeared for almost 30 years.  And the amazing part is, this was
BEFORE Tom "Alicia was really a Skrull when she married Johnny" DeFalco
came by.  In fact, that was when Walt Simonson was on the book, if I 
remember correctly.  Strange.
*********************************

Wrong. The appearances after #40 were robots except 259-260, 276-277,
319, and 320. According to walt himself. he planned to elaborate on this
but DeFalco naturally cut him off.
________________
Tony L.

8^\)
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Claremont
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:33:13 GMT

>
>	Harris's position in controlling a large part of the "mutant" books
>	gives him considerable "power" with the creative people and parts
>	of the editorial staff.
>
An interesting side note--all of the "glamor" that Harris is getting as X-editor
shouldn't even go to him.  Editor-wise, the popularity of the X-men grew
durring Louise Simonson(then Jones,I think) and Ann Nocenti's reigns.

Well at least we all know where the real creativity lies....

-----SCAVENGER



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From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Subject: Thor update
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:03:42 GMT

I know that people ask for updates all the time, but this is my first and only,
so give me a break.  If someone has a lot of extra time on their hands and would like to e-mail me an update on what's been going on with Thor, esp. what      
happened with Loki, and what's going on with three or four Thors, I'd be most
appreciative.  If not, c'est la vie.
Joe 
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zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  *  Sometimes God's children should be seen and not heard.
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From: pattloch@Sirius.dfn.de (Marcus Pattloch)
Subject: Milo MANARA - Urgent quest for information
Summary: information on Manara wanted
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:21:01 GMT
Organization: DFN-GS
Keywords: Manara


At the University of Hamburg in the Northern part of Germany
is situated a lecture-circle (ArGL-LK II) on "The Monkey-king" 
[lo Scimmiotto], a Comic by Milo MANARA and Silverio PISU. At 
the moment we're urgently in the need for some pieces of information 
about the following three topics:
 
 - bibliographical infos on publications of MANARA since
   1985,
 - the magazine-versions of "Lo Scimmiotto" in Italian 
   and French language (We'd be thankful for xerocopies
   or any referece where to get them - lettering is different
   from the later albums),
 - biographical references on MANARA and both Silverio
   PISU and his sister, Renata PISU, especially those not
   originating from 'mainstream'-sources.
 
   For information about the lecture circle either contact directly:
 
       University of Hamburg
       Arbeitsstelle fuer Graphische Literatur
       c/o LK II - Affenkoenig
       Heimhuder Strasse 71, R. 209
       D-2000 Hamburg 13

   or contact me by e-mail (address below).
-- 
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From: kesidis@moonlight.berkeley.edu (George Kesidis)
Subject: Ray #4
Reply-To: kesidis@moonlight.berkeley.edu
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:56:14 GMT

I just read The Ray #4. This is turning out to be a very good
read. The story is fast-paced not stupid,  and the art is excellent.
This mini series should keep me happy until new the Lobo mini-series
starts. Anybody know when that will happen?
gk

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 14:07:28 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: Deathlok - ?
 <1992Apr7.142203.9874@csc.ti.com>

In article <1992Apr7.142203.9874@csc.ti.com>, wall@ra.csc.ti.com (Raj Wall)
says:
>In final ignominy, the "concept" was resurected by a couple
>incompetent hacks who homogenized and emasculated Deathlok into a
>namby-pamby wimp that DIDN'T LIKE KILLING!

Here here!  Who the hell actually needs a hero who actually shows some
fucking mercy?  Fuck if we can't get every single fucking marvel character
into an X-Farts frame of mind, then they should be killed off!  Hey, why
the fuck don't we put a railgun and a particle beam cannon on Stark's armor,
and before he dies, send him to China to finally obliterate that amnesiac
pinko chinese thug with the jewely?  Hunh?

In other words my heart is really bleeding that you don't have a kill-crazy
psycho in Deathlok any more.  Boo- hoo!

Doug.
From: wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan "T2" Wen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr4.140438.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>3. What else has Alan Moore done besides Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, and
>Watchmen? Anything of interest to a poor fan? Ditto with Frank Miller (aside
>from the Elektra books, Ronin, and the two Batman graphic novels, that is.)
>

I picked up a serialized TPB by Alan Moore and Alan Davis the other day called
DR and Quinch, a collection of humorous episodes from 2000 AD (?) about two
violent, ruthless teenage aliens.  Very funny.

Stan T2 Wen
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Most Astounding Recovery
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:21:21 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.


  You missed a possibility-

Havock could have used his power to land unharmed, and that's what caused
the crater.  The effort of doing so would have drained him, and left him
unconcious.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: work for hire
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:44:06 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <wdv42p_00WBK82g2lS@andrew.cmu.edu> From: wh13+@andrew.cmu.edu (Waseem Hussain)


> does anyone know what work for hire is?

basicly it means the compnay owns complete copyright to any work
you create for them.  I.E. you create the next Superman and your
creation has 5 movies, a tv series, lunch boxes, etc and you get
nothing extra.

> it always seems to pop up when people talk about creator rights. what
> are some other issues buggin' those creators?  Have there been any
> writer defections to Malibu yet?


Writers? We don't need no stinkin' writers!
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From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:37:33 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.002610.24663@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>>uk02700@nx05.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french) writes:
>>

A while ago, I wrote...

>>This is just a theory of my own, but what the heck, I'll toss it out...
>>
>>	I don't remember if Rogue has ever tried to use her power on a telepath
>>of any sort, and in particular, a powerful one(ie Charles or Jean or Rachel or
>>Betsy)... I suspect that those with such a firm grasp on their self image that
>>they can manipulate themselves on the "Astral Plane" may be able to hold her 
>>off or even take control of her, especially since Magneto separted Rogue from
>>the "Alien" part of Carol Danvers that made her psyche "slippery" as Charles 
>>once put it.

>
Ok, but why... I just proposed the theory, but no one who has shot it down has
tol me why a telepath of some power (Like Charles) could not hold Rogue off.

David.
	BZZZZZZZTTTT!!!!!!!!   wrong... but thank you for playing...

>	Rogue in issue 176?, during the time with mastermind trying to convince
>  the x-people that madelyne really was phoenix, cyke had rogue absorb prof x's
>  powers, he was unconscious at the time, and use the telepathic abilities that
>  she got with cyke's knowledgeof how they worked to show the rest of the team
>  that they were being duped...


> Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
>     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
> 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
> paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   | I would."   (Nosage, June 91)
>	
>human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......
From: jasona@sco.COM ( Staring at Pleiades with my left eye )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Thoughts on the third aardvark
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 23:34:05 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) writes:
>So who could the third aardvark be?  Before Weisshaupt died, he inferred
>that the other two aardvarks were powerful enough to stop Cerebus, who
>at that time was running amuck as Most Holy.  This implies that the
>other aardvarks are important, powerful figures in Estarcion, and indeed
>in the case of Cirin that is correct.

Hmm, could of course be Cerebus himself. He always becomes completely different
when drugged (falling in love with Jaka, falling into the 7th/8th planes while
who knows what his body is doing, etc...) He's ruined quite a few of his plans
by mearly getting drunk, let alone drugged. It's a thought; maybe there's a
whole different side (another aardvark) inside Cerebus that's not marching to
the same drum.

jasona
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From: jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Powerpax
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:55:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

You know, Stan's right.  It's at least ten years, but it could be more.
Evidence:
Shattershot's been in charge for ten years (his time and ours).  This is stated
repeatedly.
Ten years have passed since the "X-FORCE UNIT CONSISTING OF CABLE, 
SAMUELGUTHRIE, THERESACASSIDY, JAMESPROUDSTAR, SHATTERSTAR, AND SELFUNIT 
(Cyberlock) LIBERATED MOJOWORLD FROM DICTATORIAL CONTROL OF DESIGNATE: MOJO V."
(page 24)  We could believe that Domino, Feral, and Boom-Boom were left at home
but maybe they weren't part of the team at the time.  Also, Cyberlock is not
part of the team at this time, so we have to add the time it takes him/it to
join.
Darkchild is a teen-ager.  She was changed back to six years old, so if ten
(or more) years have passed, this would work.
And to be complete, Sam's hair is turning gray.
Jonathan
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From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Subject: Re: FAQ/SQUID request
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Organization: SPAMIT
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:15:44 GMT

ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:
>By the way, tyg, I hope that DC doesn't get any funny ideas about 
>creating a character called Suicide Squid because so many fans wrote in
>to JLA begging for SS's membership...do you have trademark or copywrite
>protection? (I think I recall the shirt saying "(circle-c) A TYG and
>R.A.C production").

Reading upside down, it says "A TYG-MM r.a.c Production" :<)

I would assume that Ty Templeton has copyright on the design for the shirt
and of course the original artwork.  Trademarks are murkier - r.a.c. is
not a company/"Formal" organization (althought TYG-MM might qualify, or even
Eddie) and so I don't think trademark would apply.  As it stands, I don't
think DC could create a character called Suicide Squid whose past history
and appearance matched Squiddy's, but they probably could create a character
whose name was Suicide Squid (without other obvious similarities).  On the
other hand, maybe we could sue them over "look and feel" :<)



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From: poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole)
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Subject: Re: Billy Mumy (WAS Re: DC: Doom Patrol Annotations (long))
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:33:48 GMT
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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: dr.doom
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:53:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Sorry for that previous post.  Editor trouble. :(

In article <1992Apr6.204710.22602@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>In article <5APR199220030943@rigel.tamu.edu> djh4535@rigel.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J) writes:
>>i was wondering is thier any info on why doc doom is always shown in his
>>old armor lately when he has that really bad silver futuristic type one.
>>(as seen at the end of the war between kristoff and the rogue doombot)
>>they never really done much with that story line either.
>>if i've missed a issue where these are explained then please tell me which.
>>thanx
>>		d.j.loki seth I
>
>

	Well, Doom has a history of using robot doubles.  It is quite possible
that we haven't seen the real Doom for some time now.  Besides, if you were the
mad monarch of Latveria, would you dirty your shiny nice armor when robots
could take care of pesky super-types?    :)
		IMHO, but it don't make it no less true,
				Raythrax
From: ralf@cs.uq.oz.au (Ralf Muhlberger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Flash year 1 --- yawwwnnn
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:33:38 GMT
Reply-To: ralf@cs.uq.oz.au

In <9355@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord) writes:


>  So when is Wally going to notice the ring on Barry's finger?

Barry's probably got it turned around like the Phantom :-)

>		~~~~~/\~~~~~
>Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Thu Apr  9 12:54:34 WET DST 1992
>		~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ralf
-----Ralf Muhlberger-----(ralf@cs.uq.oz.au)-----University of Queensland------
I wonder if other people can hear voices in their head. I certainly can. I can
hear one now. It's saying: "I wonder if other people can hear voices in ... "
From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:09:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.070924.22185
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu () says:

>I believe that the cross
>traffic between companies is one of the best fetures on this board. I don't
>care how big of a MArvel zombie you are, you probably get one of the other
>companies books. Making a split would just be a pain and a complication to 
>deal with.
>
>With a Solid NO,
>Scotty B
  
I concur.  Especially since my reader doesn't handle cross-posts as one
article.  (Though I don't expect people to suffer because my reader's a bit
primitive.)

Still, one of the things I've liked about r.a.c in the scant 2 1/2 years
I've been on is the feeling that we're a group.  Comic fans from all areas
of fandom could get together and shoot the bull.  Some of the "characters"
on the group (many of whom have, sadly, either disappeared or been very
quiet lately) and their antics reinforced this "clubhouse" feel.  There
were a great many posters who could be referred to by their first name
only, and everyone would know who you were talking about.

Now some people want to break the group.  I'll admit that the flavor of
the group has changed a bit in the last few years, but I think the "club"
feel is still there.  The "Suicide Squid" postings are evidence of this.
Somehow, I doubt as much would have been done with that if the group had
been broken into pieces at the time.

I guess my major complaint with this idea is that it shows a great deal
of intolerance.  "I don't like this publisher, so I want a group without
them in it."  Yes, I know people who want to read all the posts can read
all the groups.  That's not the point.  The point is that I find it sad
that some want to divide one of the best "on-line conventions" in the
world for the sake of convenience.

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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Subject: Re: Comic Code Authority
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:01:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Distribution: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

In article <12161@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> Hello,
> 
> 	I was looking over my favorite comics recently (sandman, nightbreed,
> etc.) and noticed something that I had known but never really thought
> much about... And that is that nearly all of them didn't have the Comic
> Code approval seal on them...

Your question is your answer:  The code seal says it meets the silly standards.
By not having the seal, it means it didn't meet the standards (just like the
movie "X" rating isn't a rating by the MPAA, it's the lack thereof).

Also, so far as I am aware, items such as Sandman, etc. aren't available on
newstands, supermarkets, etc., which has been the publishers' 'safety net'.
By putting it only in comix shops, you put the burden of keeping it out of
kiddies' reach on the shop owner.

Joel Finkle
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 16:52:48 EDT
From: <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: re: Marvel's overused lines

I got one!  I got one!

How about . . . "...insolent pup!"

Usually the bad guys would say this right before they slapped Kitty Pryde.
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From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Subject: Re: Excalibur..New logo
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:46:32 GMT

kat1@cec2.wustl.edu (Karim Amokrane Touami) writes:
: 
: Woah...The new Excalibur logo sucks...The old logo with the crossed swords
: was much better, it had style and a certain je ne sait quoi that this new 
: one lacks...In short this one makes look like just another crummy mutant
: book.Yuck!!

You can add another vote against the new logo. I liked the crossed
swords, but I wasn't in love with it, however, I hate this current
marvel trend of trying to make all of their books look like x-books with
the 3-D logos fading into the distance. Bleah!

later days!
--dt

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roach@aux1.amherst.edu		   |    possibly presume to speak for them?
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