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From: bobmcc@tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
Subject: Extended ASCII chars & Reverse Video
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:28:48 GMT

I got the following mail; please post a response or respond
directly to Grant.
	Bob



From: Grant_A.Lowe@forum.saic.com
Subject: Re: comp.text.frame FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:16:47 

Hi Bob.  I lost the email address for sending in questions, so could you
please direct this email to the right place?  Thanks!
 
I have two questions.  First, does anybody know how to insert the extended
ASCII character set into FrameMaker?  I'm looking for things like corners of
boxes, arrows, and the like.
 
Second, does anybody know how to do reverse video, or what others call
shading?  I'm trying to document screen dumps and wish to depict both white
letters on black background and black letters on white background.  Any help
would be appreciated on these two matters.  Thanks!
 
grant
From: steveh@grafex.cupertino.ca.us (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: MS word -> Frame...how ?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:13:38 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

mahesh@widget.evb.com (B.G. Mahesh) writes:

> We have a MS word file on our Mac. We want to convert it
> to Framemaker format (we have Frame on our Macs and Sun).
> How todo this ?
> 
> thanks

Piece of cake.  Start Frame, then open the MS Word document.  FM3 on the Mac
has a superior Word2mif filter.  FM will filter your Word doc then open it
as a Maker doc.  Be advised that the paragraph tags are picked up from the
Word doc, so you may have to tweak and twiddle these.

steve
From: Bill_Chiles@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Date Format
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:37:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.keRJiN=0BwwuFKT5kB
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

When I was playing around to figure out how to "freeze the current date", I
decided I wanted to change the date format.  I want something of the form
"DD MMM YY" which I can get with FrameMaker, but I can't get it to do the
month in all uppercase.  The $<shortmonth> (or whatever) variable does
lowercase, and I couldn't figure out how to modify that to do upper.  Any
ideas?

Thanks,
Bill
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jsh@nynnexst.com (John Hirth)
Subject: Re: Can anyone merge FM files?
Originator: jsh@icslab
Reply-To: jsh@nynnexst.com (John Hirth)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.200645.6542@Cadence.COM>, charb@Cadence.COM (Sue Charbonneau)
writes:
|> Does anyone have a script to merge
|> FrameMaker files? For example, I'd
|> like to merge a large number of 1 to 5 page
|> files that other people will be working
|> on into a large reference manual.
|> 
-----------

You might want to check out Frame's BOOK feature if you haven't done so already.

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From: smp@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Need a print merge within Frame
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:27:52 GMT


	I would like to know if I can have a M.S. Word's print merge type
functionality in FrameMaker.  This would use variables in the main doc. and
initialize them from another doc.  My specific application is to write multiple
copies of letters to addresses listed in another file.

	All comments and suggestions are appreciated

	Thanks in advance

	Shailesh

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From: mario@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mario Nigrovic)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Changing Paper Sizes
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:51:35 GMT
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona

In article <1992Jul30.171556.22405@tcsi.com>, bobmcc@tcs.com (Bob
McCormick) writes:
|> Here's a question from a USA-based co-worker on temporary assignment
|> in Europe (my comments inserted in []):
|> 
|> I have a question for you.  It has to do with the size of
|> international paper.  I
|> have all these existing frame documents I brought with me on tape. 
|> They are the
|> wrong size to print on international paper, although everything fits,
|> nothing
|> gets cut off, so its not too bad, and I don't think it would be
|> correct to
|> reformat existing documents [the USA-based masters] to international
|> size. 
|> However, I would like to reformat the templates we have to
|> international sizes,
|> so if we write memos, or create new documents, they'll be
|> international size.  Is
|> there any way to reformat an existing template file to change the
|> size of the
|> master pages?  The only way I can find to specify the size of the
|> master page is
|> when you create a new document using the NEW command.  It pops up the
|> dialog that
|> says Use Template, and you have to select Custom Document, because
|> all our
|> templates are U.S. sizes.  And our version of FrameMaker is from the
|> U.S., so all
|> the templates supplied with FrameMaker are U.S. sizes.  Any hints???
|> 
|> 
|> =-=-=-=-=-
|> Bob McCormick, Systems Engineer           | bobmcc@tcs.com
|> +1-510-649-3881
|> Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc.    | bobmcc@tcsi.tcs.com
|> 2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704 USA | uunet!tcs!bobmcc

Wouldn't it be possible to just create a new document with the desired
sizes
and then open the original and copy all the page information over?

Alternately, I've seen a description of how to change MASTER page sizes,
by
creating a new document and then using formats from that document into
your
original.  Haven't tried it, though.

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From: terry_gottehrer@stortek.com (terry gottehrer)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Frame to ASCII xlation
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:47:51 GMT
Organization: StorageTek

This question is simple, but here it is. I want to convert a
Frame-format file to ASCII. I've tried "Save As", "Text Only" with
Carriage Return at "End of Each Line." It doesn't yield
an ASCII file; there is lots of control characters in the saved
file. I can't find information on this in the manuals. Can
anyone help? I'm running Frame on a Sun workstation.

Please e-mail responses to the address in my signature (that
address is correct, I'm not sure the address in the header is
correct).

Thanks. 

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: desmedt@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: Frame license server problem
Organization: Leiden University Faculty of Social Sciences
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:03:25 +0100

We have FrameMaker 3.0 on a DECstation running Ultrix and X.

This version of FrameMaker has an overly complicated licence server.
After rebooting the system, the licence server process refused to autostart,
telling me:

***ERROR: Can't access /usr/frame/.fminit2.0/frameusers because
Permission denied.

I don't get the meaning of this, because there are no access restrictions
on this file.

Could anyone tell me how the licence server process can be made to start
correctly?

Koenraad de Smedt
Leiden University
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: uso01@unidata.com (Steven Owens)
Subject: Re: Troff vs FrameMaker Productivity
Organization: Unidata, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:00:00 GMT
Summary: Why the dichotomy?  Use both!


I don't know much about Troff (aside from a little experimentation a
few years ago), but the debate here really looks like it's focused
on markup language vs. gui for document production.

I thought I'd post a relatively "new" and hence (hopefully) somewhat
objective view on this.

I just started using Framemaker six or seven weeks ago.  I was given
eleven chapters of a manual, written in unformatted text, and asked
to put them into Framemaker, formatted and pretty.  

I have ended up using a combination of the maker markup language 
(thanks to the advice of the people here!) to apply text styles and
paragraph formats, and the Framemaker gui to design the styles and
formats, and to make templates for the pages.

MML could be better, of course;  Frame officially is not supporting
the new Framemaker features in MML, I was told.  Still, it has come
in extremely handy.

I will undoubtedly "fine tune" the document with the gui before it
goes out, but I think I got a large speed jump by working with MML at
first.

This seems (to me) to be the optimal approach.  


Btw, if you like and use Troff, isn't there a Troff filter for
Framemaker?  I remember seeing something posted about it here.
Do the initial work in Troff and then import! :-)

Disclaimer:  I have programmed a little, so I may have something of
the "batch mode" mentality, but I've also used other GUI layout
packages, so they have an equal advantage on my prejudices :-)


Steven J. Owens
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: How to change View Options defaults?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:51:28 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <tbecker.712484166@acht> tbecker@acht.informatik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Becker) writes:
>I would like to have my own View Options defaults when FrameMaker (3.0)
...
>Anyone out there who knows how to change the View Options defaults?

Can't help you with that, I'm afraid...

Wile we're at it--does anyone know how to have Frame come up with "Snap"
turned off? I seldom use it, and it's really annoying to have to turn it
off manually each and every time I open a document.
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From: sxh@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Ray Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Mathematica -> Framemaker?
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:51:59 EDT
Distribution: comp,sci
Organization: Cornell University

Anybody know of a way to get Mathematica expressions into Framemaker?
I'm using Mathematica 2.0 (soon to have 2.1) and FrameMaker 3.0 on a
Mac IIci.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: dmw@taurus.ece.cmu.edu (Hank Walker)
Subject: Freezing Current Dates
Originator: dmw@taurus.ece.cmu.edu
Reply-To: dmw@ece.cmu.edu
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:17:16 GMT


I want the current date variable on my templates set up so that it is
updated when creating a new file, but is unchanged on subsequent opens of a
saved file, unless updated manually.  That way I can use the file for
record-keeping purposes. 

The date will be automatically updated if placed on the master page, but it
is always updated, whether for a new file, or subsequent opens of an
existing file.  If the date is on a body page, it isn't updated when a new
file is created, and I have a tendency to forget to update the variable
manually ("yes, that letter you just got has been in the mail for two
years").

Any ideas?
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: cew@bat.gsfc.nasa.gov (ASTS Craig E Warsaw)
Subject: Small Caps
Reply-To: cwarsaw@cen.com
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:17:21 GMT

In a Word document, we had the major section titles using a small caps
style.  When we converted to FrameMaker, we lost that.  Is there an easy
way to get the small caps effect (besides converting all words to upper
case, selecting the capitalized letters and making the point size larger)?

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From: harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: *** HELP !!! *** Need to type a `tab' in a table cell
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:57:09 GMT
Reply-To: harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding)
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center

In article <1992Jul29.133848.2330@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>I have a table cell paragraph format (that is, a paragraph format
>I use only in the cell of a table) that contains tabs, which I want
>to use. But I cannot type a tab character, since the tab key moves
>me over to the next cell. Any suggestions would be gratefully
>acknowledge publicly.
>
>Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada

Press ^R-tab.

steve
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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Changing Paper Sizes
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:38:57 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul30.171556.22405@tcsi.com> bobmcc@tcs.com (Bob McCormick)  
writes:
> Here's a question from a USA-based co-worker on temporary assignment
> in Europe (my comments inserted in []):
> 
> I have a question for you.  It has to do with the size of international  
paper.  I
> have all these existing frame documents I brought with me on tape.  They are  
the
> wrong size to print on international paper, although everything fits, nothing
> gets cut off, so its not too bad, and I don't think it would be correct to
> reformat existing documents [the USA-based masters] to international size. 
> However, I would like to reformat the templates we have to international  
sizes,
> so if we write memos, or create new documents, they'll be international size.   
Is
> there any way to reformat an existing template file to change the size of the
> master pages?  The only way I can find to specify the size of the master page  
is
> when you create a new document using the NEW command.  It pops up the dialog  
that
> says Use Template, and you have to select Custom Document, because all our
> templates are U.S. sizes.  And our version of FrameMaker is from the U.S., so  
all
> the templates supplied with FrameMaker are U.S. sizes.  Any hints???

Say your old template is called OLD.frame.

1) Open two copies of OLD.frame, saving one to the name OLD1.frame.

2) Create a new template at the desired page size - save it with the name  
NEW.frame. Leave it open.

3) From within OLD.frame, "Use Formats From" NEW.frame, but only Page Layouts.  
This will give you the new page size, but will also copy in unwanted master  
items from OLD.frame, so delete those items from the master pages of NEW.frame.

4) Go to the master pages of OLD1.frame, and for each master page, "Select All"  
items, Copy, then go to OLD.frame and paste them onto the corresponding master  
pages to replace the master page items that got pulled in from NEW.frame.

5) Adjust columns on the master pages of OLD.frame as necessary to accommodate  
the new page sizes.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jarl@hsr.no (Jarl Haugland)
Subject: Converting TeX to MIF
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:12:24 GMT

Hello Frame-gurus!

I'm in desperate need for a way to import C-code into a frame-doc.
Till now I have tested the "prog2mif" program, but I'm not satisfied
with the results.

For pure C-code printout's I normally use the TeX-supplied "tgrind" program.
This generates nice looking pages, but generates only TeX code (not LaTeX).
What I would like to do is to convert this TeX code to the MIF-format.
Do any of you out there know about a "tex2mif" program ?

I do also welcome any alternative solotions which produces nice looking
C-code inside frame-documents.

Thanks in advance!

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: uso01@unidata.com (Steven Owens)
Subject: Printing quadruple-sided...
Organization: Unidata, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:41:54 GMT


We're working with 5"x8" pages, and I'd like to print them out side by
side (i.e. two per page side).  Even better, I'd like to print them out
on both sides of the paper, ordered in such a way that we could staple
through the center to have a pseudo-finished "sample" of the publication.

Any way of doing this?

To make things more complicated, the printer only prints on one side, so
I'd have to print them out and then take them down to a photocopier which
can photocopy from single-sided to double-sided.  Ideally the pages would
be printed so that they could be fed straight into the copier and come out
in the appropriate order.  

I.e. with 16 pages you'd want a double-sided printout to come out with:
	(The middle horizontal line represents the top edge of the page)

	 -------------       -------------   
	|page1 |page16|     |page3 |page14|  
	 -------------  =>   -------------  =>
	|page2 |page15|     |page4 |page13|  
	 -------------       -------------   

	 -------------       -------------
	|page5 |page12|     |page7 |page10|
    =>   -------------  =>   -------------
	|page6 |page11|     |page8 |page9 |
	 -------------       -------------

Is there any way to do this?


Second Question:  

	I've been having some trouble with master pages.  I set up a
left and right master page, mirrors of each other (each page has a
wide column, and a thin column on the "outside"
 edge for comments, etc).  When a new left page is created it 
seems  to use most of the formatting from the left master page,
i.e. graphics, headers, footers, but the two main text frames
are out of place.  Reapplying the left master page does not
fix the problem.  Any ideas?


Steven J. Owens
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Troff vs FrameMaker Productivity
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:58:33 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.045118.27744@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter  
Cash) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.231152.4991@informix.com> robertw@informix.com (Robert  
Weinberg) writes:
> 
> >Yes, if the content is text, and if readers will be just as happy no
> >matter how it's formatted, you can't beat an all-text environment. WYSIWYG
> >can be a real waste - and add a lot of complexity - in that case.
> 
> Why does WYSIWYG have to add _any_ complexity? You can give a writer (one
> who doesn't care to mess with formatting decisions) a FrameMaker template.
> If the template is well-designed, all the writer has to do is fill in the
> blanks. It's as simple as typing text.

I have yet to see a writer new to Frame who could refrain from creating his/her  
own formats! Though maybe the same could be said for troff'ers - I haven't  
lived among them, so I don't know.

I started publishing on GUIs - on the Mac - so you are preaching to the choir  
here. But I have seen people whose life began on a keyboard, and who never even  
"get" the relationship between a mouse and the cursor on the screen - or who  
can't understand why they have to go to the third layer of menus to do what  
they used to do with a command-key on their WYSE. For these people, a GUI can  
be a nightmare of complexity and seemingly uselessly pretty features.

And face it, there have been and still are some crude WYSIWYG interfaces out  
there. Frame (along with MS WORD, for that matter) is exceptional in having  
keyboard shortcuts for most functions (though there are still lots of things  
that require mousing through several menus). Lots of people _resent_ having to  
lose their hand position on the keyboard to pick up a mouse whose functions  
they would prefer to perform via the keyboard.


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Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Proportional Spacing and right justification
From: dan@microm.UUCP (Dan Troxel)
Date: 13 Jul 92 23:41:27 GMT
Organization: Micro Maintenance, INC., Tempe, AZ

Is there a formula that will work for a programmer, to figure out the 
spacing of proportional fonts, so that it can be right justified?

Or, do I need to figure out on my own, how many points each character
takes in a proportional font?

Please email reply to:
telesys!microm!dan
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Frank-Roland Boernke)
Subject: what are prefered word-processors ?
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:38:55 GMT

Hi,
I hope this is the right group to answerr my questions:

What are the most used word-processor programms for MS-DOS ? If you want to
give away articles to people including information like boldface, italic and so
on, what format should I use? In Germany a lot of people use MS-WORD, is it
the same in USA? What about other countries? Is there a program to convert 
file-formats from WORD-PERFECT to WORD or the other way round (only to give
an example, I am looking for other converters too).

A lot of programs are now available in a special WINDOWS Version. Are these
files exchangable between WINDOWS and non-WINDOWS Version? 

Finally I am afraid that the best solution is to use ordinary ASCII=Format
that fits everywhere, but then I loose the ability to give texts a nice
style - and no chance for footnotes. Any advice, hints?

Thanks in advance

Frank
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From: ann@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Ann Farny)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re:  What is RTF?
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:09:29 GMT
Reply-To: david@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech

Frank Boerncke asks:

>Short question: What is RTF-Fileformat (e.g. supported by MS-WORD) ?

RTF stands for Microsoft RTF (Rich Text Format) and can be imported
into Xerox Ventura Publisher and Aldus PageMaker. 
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