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From: pkwu@is0.is.morgan.com (Peter Wu)
Subject: Re: space rangers
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:13:13 GMT

: >there is also Babylon 5 which is suppose to be very similar to Deep
: >Space Nine, but at the moment it is just going to be a movie, although
: >the producers want to make it a series.  They are both syndicated.
: 
: Sorry to burst the bubble but that simply ain't so. B5 and Ds9 are quite
: different from each other -- different premise, different universe,
: different production technologies, etc.  The space stations are radically
: different, everything is not so "hunky-dory" in the B5 universe, etc.
: They are different thank god!  B5 has been proposed for over 5 years now.
: I hope it succeeds wildly.

Well ... not having seen either one, I certainly don't know but TV
Guide talked to the producers of the two series and supposedly there
is a lot of controversy between the two series' producers over who
copied whom.  So tell it to them and TV Guide.  The producer of
Babylon 5 said that the difference between ST:DN9 and B5 is that
"Theirs is the same Star Trek universe.  Ours is a city where 250,000
aliens live in separate atmospherically controlled sectors."

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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:58:42 GMT
	<1992Dec29.173708.21388@burrhus.harvard.edu>
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

In article <1992Dec29.173708.21388@burrhus.harvard.edu>
glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) writes (a tad incoherently):
   In article <6262@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
   mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
   >From article <Bzr0wF.7n7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by
   >flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell): 
   >> I like to think it's related to the late 60's movie where the US
   >> defense computer links up with the Soviet's computer and they begin
   >> ruling the world.
   > 
   >> I think the name of the movie (and the computer) was Goliath.
   >
   >Colossus.  Made after a novel (by D.F. Jones, I think).  There were

   Colossus: The Forbin Project is the full name of the movie, and I don't
   think it was based on a book,think it was based on a book,

Whatever the last repetition means, Colossus was indeed based on a
book (called Colossus) by D.F. Jones.  It was a trilogy --- the other
two books were "The Fall of Colossus" and "Colossus and the Crab".
All three were written (I have copies of them).  Not great SF, but not
bad.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Oh no!  Not the Alien/Aliens thing again!!
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:48:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.173607.994@scorch.apana.org.au> jimgar@scorch.apana.org.au (Jim Garner) writes:
>What was the content of this extra footage. I know about some scenes
>that were cut, e.g. finding Dallas & H.D.Stanton's character webbed
>up. But what was the inconsistent part?

OK, basically the cut footage showed that Dallas and Brett weren't dead
but had been cocooned by the Alien.  But not cocooned like the victims
in "Aliens."  Brett was being "converted," for lack of a better word, into
an egg with Dallas as the intended host for the facehugger produced from
said egg.  This is obviously different from the reproductive cycle advanced
in "Aliens," with the hive/queen hierarchy Cameron designed (his belief
was that, since the cocooning sequence didn't actually appear in "Alien,"
it wasn't canon and therefore he could come up with something new).

Personally, I don't see why everyone thinks these methods are mutually
exclusive - after all, some plants can reproduce both sexually and
asexually, why can't the Aliens have more than one reproductive
process? - but that's what "Alien" and "Aliens" groupies get into
clashes over the most.
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From: thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: MST3K!!!
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 00:19:48 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

Chris, I hope you read this...
 
All the mail I try to send you bounces, and I know that this is where you 
read of my dilemma, so you should see this...
 
Your tape arrived in the mail on Tuesday...I've recieved other tapes for 
Christmas & Bday (Dinosaurs, Beauty and the Beast, natch), but this one 
was surely the grandest of them all (snerk).
 
Thank you thank you thank you...
 
Stephanie, the Canadian who now has some MST3K to tide her through the 
long, cold winter...:-)


    Stephanie M. Clarkson : thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca         
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   But Dad, the Millers are older | The universe acts in strange          
   than you, and they were just   | and mysterious ways, and
   insured by Norwich Union!      | so do I.
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  ~~~~~~~~~ please do not send me files over 30k...fnord. ~~~~~~~~~
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From: jimgar@scorch.apana.org.au (Jim Garner)
Subject: Re: Alien news
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:36:07 GMT

alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:

|Second, one in the eye for all you [insert epithet of choice] who flamed me
|for daring to suggest that the A2/A3 continuity should take priority over
|Ridley Scott's original ideas for A1 -- Scott agrees with me! He intentionally
|left the "missing footage" as extra, separate material on the A1 laserdisc
|(rather than re-integrating it with the actual movie) in order to maintain
|continuity with the later movies.

What was the content of this extra footage. I know about some scenes
that were cut, e.g. finding Dallas & H.D.Stanton's character webbed
up. But what was the inconsistent part?

Sorry if this has already been said but I'm new to this group.

-- 
Jim Garner B.Math (Newcastle NSW Australia) - jimgar@scorch.apana.org.au

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From: ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (wood,christopher)
Subject: Re: Unrealistic space scenes
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 23:23:11 GMT

In article <u906789.724653857@bruny> u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
>drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec14.141510.62034@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk
>>Rocketeer) writes:
>>>     After watching ROTJ again last night, I have to disagree.  Modern
>>>weapons are clearly inferior.  Han Solo's blaster pistol penetrates
>>>Imperial stormtrooper armor without even scratching the white paint. 
>>>No scorch marks, no holes, nothing, yet the trooper dies.

>There are several scenes where small sparks/flames and smoke is produced when
>a stormtrooper is shot.

Which brings up the paradox of eternal question (Would the Empire of
Star Wars beat the Federation of Star Trek)  "What happens when the
Storm Troopers (who always miss) shoot at the Red Shirts (who always die)?"

Chris







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                         or ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com

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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: moontrap
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:00:54 EST

Ok, guys, so I made a mistake with regards to Moontrap made in
Hollywood.

    BUT DO YOU HONESTLY MEAN THAT I SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO HOLLYWOOD FOR
THIS? (bg)

As to Nightflyers, thanks for the "spoiler" - I almost rented it...
Well, my Dad has always said I'm totally irresponsible...

Take care

Robert
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From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII ?!?!?!
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 10:19:57 GMT

Keywords: 

OOB

B George Takei was interviewed on a childrens show on British TV
(Going Live, BBC1) this morning. He says there will be a seventh movie
He is currently doing pantomime on Brighton Pier...

L.H.Wood@uk.ac.lut


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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:11:19 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

I think that the basic problem with getting GOOD science fiction novels
made into movies is that they don't seem to make money. In order to make
money you need to make them stupid and violent (and preferably put Arnie
in them) which means you get Commando with better production design.

Prediction: the next worthwhile SF film will be made by Ridley Scott (who
made the last worthwhile SF film, and the last one before that IMHO). And
he isn't even particularly wedded to SF -- he just likes good stories with
strong female characters. And it will probably be a megaflop so he won't
be able to make another until he's salvaged his reputation with another
three more conventional successes...

Therefore, a "novel that would be a good CHOICE for a science fiction film"
is one that can be done fairly cheaply. My particular favourite in this
regard is "The Grey Prince" by Jack Vance. For sets, you just film the
sucker in Australia (or South Africa if you like being shot at) which
seems to have been in the Author's mind (actually, South Africa seems
to have been in the author's mind).

The major problem with Gray Prince is that it would probably be interpreted
as a pro-Apartheid statement -- which I don't believe it is, but then a
lot of worthy interests are understandably and predictable oversensitive
about their particular issues.a

In general, SF novels about PEOPLE and SOCIETY will be cheaper to do
than those about TECHNOLOGY. Thus Larry Niven stories will be very expensive
while Ursula Le Guin's THE DISPOSSESSED, for example, could be done fairly
cheaply.

While I'm on the subject, I think that radio-plays are an ideal medium for
SF. Sound effects are MUCH cheaper than visuals (for the next coupla years)
and radio, in general, is more accessible than TV. I tried to do a radio play
of The Gray Prince (I went so far as to rough out a script) but couldn't get
DAW to reply to inquiries re: getting permission, etc.. Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy (as a radio play) is probably more enjoyable than most of the
SF films made in the last twenty years. Even SF bookreadings (I heard
"The Man in the Maze" done as a book reading on the radio some years ago)
work quite well.

Once again, Vance's work is very talky and the dialog is excellent (witty,
incisive). Sorry, I meant "dialogue" but Mac programming takes its toll.

Tonio

-- 
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"You can lie/You can cry/For all the good it'll do you, you can
die/But when it's done/And the police come/And they lay you down
for dead/Just remember what I said" (Paul Simon-not the senator)
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From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: "moon 44" (was re: anothe
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:01:06 GMT

In article <199228.2756.2648@dosgate>, by robert.winkler@canrem.com (robert winkler) writes:
>
> Oh, & what DOES happen to the human body in sudden vacum? I know they
> don't explode, but what do they do?

This is included in the "Frequently Asked Questions" (FAQ) listing for
sci.space.  I append the relevant section:



    HOW LONG CAN A HUMAN LIVE UNPROTECTED IN SPACE

    If you *don't* try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a
    minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your
    breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to
    watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your
    Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal
    experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no
    immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do
    not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness.

    Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly "the bends", certainly some
    [mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and underlying tissue)
    start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from
    lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate. After perhaps one or two minutes,
    you're dying. The limits are not really known.

    References:

    _The Effect on the Chimpanzee of Rapid Decompression to a Near Vacuum_,
    Alfred G. Koestler ed., NASA CR-329 (Nov 1965).

    _Experimental Animal Decompression to a Near Vacuum Environment_, R.W.
    Bancroft, J.E. Dunn, eds, Report SAM-TR-65-48 (June 1965), USAF School
    of Aerospace Medicine, Brooks AFB, Texas.

_____________________________________________________________________________


I will add to this that I was told while in the U.S. Air Force that my
time of *useful* consciousness (TUC) after a decompression at 30,000 ft
would be of the order of 10-20 seconds, and that I would have to start
doing things to save myself in that time. (Going to look for someone to
fix the hole in the plane was not a recommended option. Screaming was
possibly useful in equalizing pressure, but screaming certain things,
such as "My God, my God, we're all going to die arghhhh," was frowned
upon as bad for morale and not in keeping with the traditions of the
service. We were also taught something called grunt breathing which
was supposed to extend our TUC. It was quite undignified and, as it
requires the presence of detectable atmosphere, not suited for space.)

******************************************************************************
Renegade academician. They're a dangerous breed when they go feral,
academics are...a chemist, too.
		    -(James P. Blaylock in "Lord Kelvin's Machine")

My organization hasn't agreed with any of my opinions so far, and
I doubt they'll start now.

Stanley "Ya nee speon" Roberts
From: ganderso@unlinfo.unl.edu (gary anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: JURASSIC PARK: On Spielberg's raptors...
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:58:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: crcnis1.1i7d05INNa10
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

From the January 1993 issue of DISCOVER, page 10:

"The most vicious killers are the velociraptors, the scholar-athletes of
the dino set, known for both their speed and intelligence.  Crichton made
them six feet tall, which is the size they were in the fossil record.
When Steven Spielberg started working on the film version of JURASSIC
PARK, which is scheduled for release this summer, he was afraid the
velociraptors would look too puny and harmless on the big screen.  So
against the wishes of his paleontologist advisers, he insisted on making
the velociraptors much larger than they were known to be.

"Last summer, however, science caught up with Spielberg's imagination:
dinosaur hunters in eastern Utah discovered a 20-foot-long, 1,500-pound
velociraptor.  Some are calling it 'Spielberg's raptor,' but the name
Utahraptor is more likely to stick.  With its one-foot-long sickle-shaped
claws, Utahraptor threatens to displace Tyrannosaurus rex as the ultimate
killing machine."

The same issue of DISCOVER also has a longer article on discovery of
the Utahraptor.

***
From: ericb@sierra.com (Eric Blood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA in blood?
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:35:11 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

In article <724820727snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au> cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au writes:
>
>I have been told that blood is one of the few things that doesn't contain
>DNA.  Anyone care to comment on this?
>
>Apart from that, the idea behind JP is certainly valid - rather scary too.
>
>(you could get around this problem by supposing that in penetrating the
>dinosaurs skin the mossi picked up some tissue cells as well).
>

	In the book it is mentioned that dinosaurs (or some type of
animals) contain DNA in the blood unlike humans.  This was noted by Wu
when the group had just started their tour of the birthing lab.

-- 
Eric V. Blood
ericb@sierra.com
From: welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Another Movie to ID
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:33:14 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:

>I have no idea if this movie was ever released in the US, but 
>I'd like to find it on video if possible.  The movie starred 
>Michael Pare (I think Malcom Mcdowell was in it as well) and 
>was based on some prison planet where Pare went undercover 
>or something like that.  Anyway, the working title was 
>"Moon 44" and many of the actors playing prisoners were 
>American soldiers (in real life).  It was shot in Germany 
>around 1988.  My interest is due to the fact that I did 
>some voice-over work for the film and would like to see 
>how it finally came out (my hopes aren't too high ;).  
>Any info would be appreciated.  Reply by email or post it here. 

I don't know if it was released in the US, but it was here in Europe,
and it's still called Moon 44 and actually was a pretty decent movie
I thought.
So it should be available on video.

>Thanks.
>Steve

No thanks,
Richard

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From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Alien news
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:00:45 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

The latest issue of the Dark Horse's "Aliens" comic (well, the latest we've
seen down at this end of the world -- October '92) has a couple of interesting
items about future and past movies.

First, the "Aliens vs Predator" movie is on! It's a Fox/DH co-production, but
it will *not* be based on the DH comic story -- it's set on a jungle planet,
and will probably have a lot in common with the first Predator movie. No word
yet on any production or release schedule. The bad news is that the director
will probably be Roland Emmerich, who was responsible for a disaster called
"Moon 44". Still, we can always hope...

Second, one in the eye for all you [insert epithet of choice] who flamed me
for daring to suggest that the A2/A3 continuity should take priority over
Ridley Scott's original ideas for A1 -- Scott agrees with me! He intentionally
left the "missing footage" as extra, separate material on the A1 laserdisc
(rather than re-integrating it with the actual movie) in order to maintain
continuity with the later movies.


--
...... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ...... alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ......

"I blame you for the moonlit sky and the dream that died with the Eagle's flight
I blame you for the moonlit nights when I wonder why are the seas still dry
Don't blame me, sleeping satellite"                              (Tasmin Archer)

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From: morten.steinhauer@thcave.no (Morten Steinhauer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite Movie One-Li
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: morten.steinhauer@thcave.no (Morten Steinhauer)


T2: "I need a vacation."

Morten
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite Movie One-Liners
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:59:54 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

adrian@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Adrian Hassall Lewis) writes:

>What about that other classic NASA understatement -
>
>in the air -> Challenger destroyed
>on the ground -> "We have a major malfunction" (or words to that effect)

Was that an understatement, or just lack of knowledge?  I mean,
ground control is not exactly looking out the window, are they?
I thought they did everything by electronics - and the guy
might know that something was wrong but I doubt if there's
an idiot light on his board that blinks on and off if the shuttle
explodes.
-- 
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                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:37:08 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <6262@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>From article <Bzr0wF.7n7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell):
>> I like to think it's related to the late 60's movie where the US
>> defense computer links up with the Soviet's computer and they begin
>> ruling the world.
> 
>> I think the name of the movie (and the computer) was Goliath.
>
>Colossus.  Made after a novel (by D.F. Jones, I think).  There were
Colossus: The Forbin Project is the full name of the movie, and I don't
think it was based on a book,think it was based on a book,



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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell)
Subject: Re: Terminator
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:36:15 GMT

In article <9212232324.AA18444@rutgers.edu> DCHANG@uhccmvs.BITNET (Doreen Chang) writes:
>Does anyone know where the idea for the "Terminator" movies originated?
>Several video guides cite James Cameron as the author of the screenplay but
>Leonard Maltin's guide claims that the original was based on a Harlan
>Ellison short story.  Does anyone know of such a short story?  If so, what
>was the title and in what anthology might I be most likely to locate it?
>Better yet, any chance of loading it into ASCII or is that a copyright
>violation?  If so, forget I asked that last part...  Thanks to whoever
>can assist.
>                                         dchang@uhccmvs.bitnet

I like to think it's related to the late 60's movie where the US
defense computer links up with the Soviet's computer and they begin
ruling the world.

Sounds REALLY close to the events that are supposed to happen in the
Terminator movies.

I think the name of the movie (and the computer) was Goliath.

Flip


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