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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:33:49 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <M1WCC00.92Aug17112846@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov>, m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
> Develop their ability to jump the way blacks do?  This is the crux of the
> problem here.  You cannot develop an ability to jump past a point that is 
> your limit.  

Perhaps I am missing your point, but if not this is a really stupid thing to
say on your part. You cannot improve jumping ability??? Of course you can.
If not, then high-jumpers are in a mess of shit.... clearly workouts
designed to strengthen certain muscle groups can improve one's ability
to leap.

> You can improve your technique if it was flawed to begin with.
> But that's it.  You're gonna jump as high as you were genetically designed
> to and after that, you can kill yourself trying and not make much difference.

 Again, you seem to assume that one's strength has little or nothing to do
with one's ability to leap - that is silly...


			gln

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:14:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>Just to get into the game....
>
>How about a North Carolina team?  You could start with the players that 
>went there, Jordan, Perkins, Daugherty, that's all I know, but I do know 
>that there are a heck of a lot more NBA'ers from there than from Indiana 
>and Michigan combined.
>
>Any help? 
>
>Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
>

We were talking about state teams that players grew up in, not from one
specific college......and the State of Michigan has more NBA players
than North Carolina.

					Marty
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics
Keywords: Celtics rookies camp
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:13:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <1992Aug14.204448.15638@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, jamesyu@austin.ibm.com (J.T.) writes:
|> 
|> Any news on the Celtics camp?  From what I hear Barry is a lost cause, but
|> Bird is definitely coming back (mixed emotions here).

Do u mean he's not gonna sign? I still have hopes. As for Bird, no mixture here.
The only scenario I can see which would make Bird's retirement more of a positive event is if it would sinificantly free up space under salary cup and 
allow to sign a real good player, which is highly unlikely.
|> 
|> My real question is does it look like ANYONE besides Lewis will be able to hit
|> from beyond 10 ft?
Sure, Gamble is the best pure shooter on the team.
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From: aco@fraser.sfu.ca (Alvin Milton Co)
Subject: Re: Need Fantasy Hoop Rules (Please?)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:44:42 GMT

csm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Chris Miller) writes:

>I'm looking for rules for Fantasy Basketball.

>Can anyone help me out? 
>Are there any books on the subject (similar to Charpentier's Fantasy 
>Football Digest)?

>Thanks for any help,
>Chris

There's a book for Fantasy Basketball.  In fact, it's from the same publisher
of Cliff Charpentier's Fantasy Football Digest.  I bought one last year.  It's
called 1991 Fantasy Basketball Digest by Alex Ferrari, Jim Ulrich and Troy
Boeldt.  The book helps you organize a League, gives player analysis and providethe last year statistical results.  Just go any normal bookstore and they shouldhave it.  Just in case, there's an address for you.  Fantastic Sports
P.O. Box 93425   Milwaukee, WI 53203  or call TOLL-FREE 1-800-944-7665
It cost me around $12
Hope this helps.

Alvin 
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: 1992 CBA Draft
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.172001.10184@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>Redenko Dobras of the University of South Florida was not taken in
>the NBA draft. Was he picked up as a free agent by anyone?

Dobras was invited to the Magic's Rookie camp.  Regretably, he didn't show
anything, and is not being invited back to the fall camp.  I haven't heard of
any other team expressing interest.

Tom@Orlando
From: max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laker signings
Date: 14 Aug 1992 18:35:26 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

In article <16ghauINNin7@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu> goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde) writes:
>Here's what the Laker roster seems like to me:
>
>G: Threatt, Scott, Peeler, [Magic?], Cooper (?), Smith (?)
>F: Worthy, Perkins, Green, Campbell, Higgins (?)

Does anyone know if Chucky Brown is on the Lakers roster?

>C: Divac, Edwards, Haley (?)

Someone posted a couple months ago that Haley busted a knee (?),
and would be out something like 9 months.

>Can someone in LakerLand give us an update on some of these guys?
>In particular, what are the chances of Duane Cooper and Tony Smith
>for making the team?  Is Haley still around?  I know Teagle's gone,
>is there someone I'm forgetting about?

I would think that with the lack of proven depth in the backcourt,
Cooper and Smith will stick.  Given that Threatt and Scott are both
over 300 years old, they will want to develop some young guard talent.
Now if only they could get a young forward to groom as Worthy's
successor ...
From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Games per season
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:32:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.064150.2933@nuscc.nus.sg>, med50005@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT) writes:
>1. How many games does an NBA team play each season?  (is it 82 ?)
    Yes, 82.

>2. Of these ?82? games, how many are against teams in the same
>conference?  How many against teams in the opposite conference?
>eg.  How many times do the Lakers play the Suns, (same conf) or
>the Pistons (opposite conf) a year?
     5 games against divisional opponents (Lakers Vs Suns), 4 against
     conference opponents (Lakers Vs Jazz), and 2 against opposite
     conference opponents (Lakers Vs Pistons).

>3.  Is Magic ever coming back to play with the Lakers (I've been hearing
>rumours all months long) to bring back his old "magic"?

     Sorry, I won't be able to answer this one.

>Nigel

Edward Hui
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:23:45
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov's message of 13 Aug 92 16:25:15 GMT

>>>>> "Wayne" == Wayne C. Cook <m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov> writes:
  Wayne> Me: Say what you will about cultural and peer pressures - they're valid, just not the
  Wayne>     biggest reason for black dominance.  Basketball requires many abilities.  All of them
  Wayne>     can be improved upon except for jumping ability, and quickness.  Blacks can jump higher
  Wayne>     than whites. Period.  They're also quicker.  Period.  You can cite examples of Majerle
  Wayne>     and Chapman and maybe some others but they're not the norm.  High skying blacks are the
  Wayne>     norm in the NBA, NCAA, and even high school.  There is something genetic here.  Why can't
  Wayne>     it be swallowed and accepted?

Put up or shut up. Studies please. Not just your trivially empirical
observations.  Also, you need to prove that jumping and quickness are the
*primary* factors in NBA, NCAA, and high school success. This means
discounting teamwork, intelligence, stamina, hand-eye-coordination, et. al.

Presuming that you can't come up with such data we must once again fall
back on the things we *know* affect basketball (nay any) ability. Hard
work, physical training, repeated drills, etc.


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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:18:16 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <M1WCC00.92Aug17112846@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>/In article <55704@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>
>/   Ok here's a theory that explains alot of it. Blacks tend to live in
>/   poorer neighborhoods than whites, because blacks tend to make less money
>/   than whites(due to simple racism in large part).
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I don't agree with this.  But let's leave it alone.  However, you're really
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>tipping your hat with such a statement. 

Naturally

>
>So, yeah.  Whites do have to shoot better, learn the game better, etc.  And 
	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>they generally have a better chance to do that through boys clubs and such.
>But forget the notion that they don't jump because they shoot so much that
>they don't develop the ability to jump the way blacks do.  Horsehockey.   
>White boys would love to be able to jump better.  That includes Alford and
>company.

My whole point about racism in the statement that blacks are naturally
better athletes than whites all boils down to this statement above.
Whites have to learn the game better, have to work harder, then of course
the more intelligent stereotype will soon find its way in here.  I wonder
how the statement that "whites do have to shoot better" applies to guys
like Chris Dudley, Joe Klien, and a vaste array of other white players
who do not shoot better than blacks.  Too bad I dont have the stats to
really light into that one.  Not to mention they haven't learnt the game
any better than blacks.  Who is to say that Bird knows more than Magic.


I wonder if you clowns are going to bring up the extra ankle bone theory.
I've been told by a white guy that I should have beaten him down 5 flight
of stair because blacks have an extra bone in our ankles make us faster.
Even if I were faster he ignored the fact that a: He had the inside track
which is shorter; b: I was about to jump down 5-6 steps at at time.

You would never make detrimental statements about whites, so why (other
than racism) would you make them about blacks.

P.S.
	Would you say that after comparing the Nazi's to some group
of benevolent blacks, that all whites are Racist Genocidal Maniacs?
If I were to make that statement and follow it up by pointing to
the European (slavery), our, make that your American forefathers
(attempted to wipe out Native Americans) or what is happening in
Serbia, you would say that I am anything from a bigot to a racist.

What an incredible leap in logic it is for both statements.
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From: rudwick@rock.pkg.mcc.com (Tom Rudwick)
Subject: Re: For What It's Worth   
Organization: Packaging/Interconnect, M.C.C.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:49:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.172006.11568@rchland.ibm.com>, rssmith@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Rick Smith) writes:
> 
> The San Antonio Spurs free agent guard Matt Othick to a contract.
> Othick was the starting point guard for the Arizona Wildcats last
> season, averaging 10.5 points/5.2 assists.
> 
> What are Othick's chances of sticking with the Spurs?  I know Tark
> coveted him 4 years ago but it seems to me that he will not make
> it.
> 
> 
> Rick Smith - Transplanted Wildcat Fan

Unless he looks better than he did at their Black and Silver game,
his chances are not good. Anderson Hunt looked much better, as did
Lloyd Daniels, who already has a spot. With Vinny Del Negro signed,
there is probably only 1 guard spot with Othick, Henry Williams, Hunt,
and Greg Sutton as possibilities.

I think a good possibility is for them to go to a big point, small
shooting guard combo off the bench, with Daniels and the best shooter
out of the above.
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:26:50 GMT

>|> 
>|> Hmmmm.....   It is obvious that one North Carolinian GOD outweighs twenty 
>|> Michigan NBA players anytime.  :-)
>|> 
>|> 
>
>In the immortal words of Red Auerbach (I think it was Red) :
>
>"The NBA will see another Michael Jordan long before it sees another Larry Bird."
>or Magic Johnson for that matter....
>
>-- Venk --

And you truly fell for everything they said in that press conference.
Don't immortalize the silly quote !! It's stupid and
very immature on anybody's part to say something like that. 
Magic has more championship rings than Larry, and Michael has just begun
his count. Even Magic and Michael's stats are more impressive.  
The Bulls totally depend on Michael to be #1 and magic's retirement pulled down
the Lakers from #2 in the league ('91) to total disaster last season. As
far as I see it, the Celts are going to be mired in mediocrity for atleast
the next 3-4 seasons just as they have been in the last 4 seasons. 
If you are going to argue that Bird played with more heart than any other
player the argument doesn't hold water, being very subjective in nature.
I agree that Larry Bird is probably the best white player in the history
of the game .. But to say very casually that he is a level above
Michael, Magic and others is plain BS.


Harry

 
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Pro-am comments
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:40:29 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <16brpiINNq3a@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM writes:

>I am going to send in my 7oz. with check for $12 to get the
>12oz bottle that are now OEM for the Pro-am.  Tippman says that
>should help the consistency.  I want to avoid going siphon but if

Can you elaborate more on this offer?  Is this open to all Tippmann gun owners
or just those with troublesome Pro-Ams.
I know of some Pro-Am owners who might be interested in upgrading to a 12 oz
if the price is right.

-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.

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From: stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer)
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Followup-To: rec.sport.paintball
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:52:47 GMT

In article <3141@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
>John Martin Chapman writes:
>#Robert Osborne writes:
>#>John Martin Chapman writes:
>#>> As a matter of fact, I will shoot first and ask questions later.  I consider
>#>> anyone on the other team a threat until they have been marked and will
>#>> shoot at them until they are regardless of their position or lack therof.
>#>> I've found that this style of play, merciless though it may be, has kept
>#>> me alive and winning.
>#>
>#>It may not work as expected.  If you shot me at close range without a
>#>mercy call, you had better be big and fast because I'd be sorely
>#>tempted to break your fucking neck.
>#
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>
>It is because it is only a game that I'd be likely to pop you one.
>
>#3. I already explained that I wouldn't jab my gun in someones ribs and shoot
>#   like a maniac, only that I'm not going to lose the advantage and jeopordize
>#   myself or other team members simply because I have the drop on an opposing
>#   player.
>

I'm going to back Rob on this one.  If someone is in a position to
paint me up at close range, I'll surrender and compliment them on
their play.  If I have that option.  

I've been in positions where I've been close enough to people to
just about touch before asking them for their surrender.  Some
weren't too happy about it, but with a paintgun muzzle about six 
inches from your back, you tend not to argue.

I ran into a guy with John's attitude at Big Game III last June.
He was sitting in a house supposedly cleared by my side's point
group.  I was running towards the entrance to the house when the
son-of-a-bitch opened up on me.  I didn't mind being hit from
five feet, things were moving fast and there really wasn't any time
to call for surrender.  But the prick hit me SEVEN more times,
while I was trying to slow down and yelling "HIT!".  He put the last
four balls into my side from a range of about eight inches.

"I didn't see the paint break on you," was his reason for seeing
how fast his shiny new semi could fire.  I pointed out that, after
I called myself out, it didn't matter if the paint broke or not,
I would still be out, and that at a range of a couple of feet, it
was unlikely that the paint wouldn't break.  But he was just playing
the game to win, after all.


______________________________________________________________________________
Steven Deemer
stedee@auto-trol.COM
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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: Pro-am comments
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:53:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug13.234029.1576@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <16brpiINNq3a@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>>I am going to send in my 7oz. with check for $12 to get the
>>12oz bottle that are now OEM for the Pro-am.  Tippman says that
>>should help the consistency.  I want to avoid going siphon but if
>
>Can you elaborate more on this offer?  Is this open to all Tippmann gun owners
>or just those with troublesome Pro-Ams.
>I know of some Pro-Am owners who might be interested in upgrading to a 12 oz
>if the price is right.
>

Say, are these 12oz thing a new thing?  7oz, 10oz and 20oz I've seen.
12oz?
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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: Clarifications with Apologies
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:20:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <66407@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman) writes:

[clarifications on surrendering delete]

Yep, if you get the jump on someone, offer a surrender.  If you get
jumped, do anything to can to survive. ^_^

>
>As to it being only a welt, I have had several people tell me otherwise.  
>Maybe it's just the warm weather  and humidity where I play that softens up     the balls, but I've never seen 
>anything more than dimesized bruises and scuff marks.
>

Oh, you can get pretty good sized welts and bruises, especially
playing indoors. ~_~  And they last for weeks before the ugly
yellowish-green spots go away.
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From: kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb)
Subject: Re: Pitts. Tourny
Summary: thanks
Keywords: I gotsta know!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:34:14 GMT

In article <Bsxnu2.F6t@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070q4r9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris DiPietro) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.134109.6064@infonode.ingr.com>, kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb) writes...
> If anyone does know the results please send me also. We also left early
> before the finals were over. I know one thing, you guys from Alabama played
> a great game against us on field 4. Just when we thought we had control of 
> that hill and were ready to go for your flag, I got shot in the ass from one
> of your Recon South flankers. Damn it pissed me off.. Oh well..
> 
> Chris DiPietro
> Team Lightning Force


 Thanks! That was our first 10 man tourny and I think I can say that
 we all had a great time. There is no doubt in my mind that we'll be
 in some more ten mans before it is all over with.
 
 How did you all end up doing? We played 5 of the pre semifinal games
 on sat. and when we left we ranked 8th over all. All we had to do was
 win our last pre semifinal game sun. morning and we where in the semis.
 Needless to say we choked. We played Full Tilt, they had no chance at 
 the semis but to help a team they new they played a dig in game and we
 just weren't ready for that. The harder we tried for a few key eliminat-
 ions the more of us they picked off, down 10 to 7 and 3min. to go we 
 went staight at them. No dice, they did an excellent job of staying calm
 and picking a target. I had a confrontation at the flag with  two of
 there guys but I won't get into that, the ref didn't SEE it! Anyway we 
 tumbled to 19th and hit the road. I think there is another 10 in Illinios
 some time in Oct. you'all going?


 KOLB                                                RECON SOUTH

  p.s.  that chick on our team probably shot you in the ass!
        I think I say that one out.
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Surrender - yeah, right.
Date: 12 Aug 92 05:11:46 GMT

gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman) writes:
> I understand the rationale behind the 10' surrender rule, but come on!
> It's just a welt or two - they go away.   I am very proud to say that I have
> NEVER surrendered even when completely out of paint, air, and teammates.

I guess the question that must be asked is;
Do you call mercy kills or do you just shoot 'em because "it's only
a welt or two"?

Rob.
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