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Subject: Re: The Beloved are beaten
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In article <k.williams.48.721245879@fs4.mbs.ac.uk> K. Williams writes

>In article <56807@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Ant
o
>nio Maiuolo) writes:
>>From: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
>>Subject: Re: The beloved get beaten
>>Date: 5 Nov 92 18:45:56 GMT

>>Let's hope all this shit about Liverpool ends now ...
>>Thanks Spartak. BTW, if all the Liverpool fans are like Denise (or worse),
>>no wonder why they have been banned from Europe after Heysel ...

>Your comments are symptomatic of the kind of small minded bigoted
>individuals who associate a small number of troublemakers with the totality
>of the followers of Liverpool Football Club.

>Your remarks invoke connotations of both Hillsboro and Heysel and
>feelings run high when either are mentioned.

>Where you to travel to most other grounds in the UK.- you would find the
>atmosphere far more hostile,

In my time I have been to about 30 or so football league grounds and quite
frankly what you have written here is total bollocks. If you go looking for
hostility at any ground you can always find the odd nutter, but this is 
generalistic clap-trap. I have thoroughly enjoyed all my visits, 7 or 8 times
I have stood with the home fans and endured no trouble what-so-ever.

> fights far more common,

I go to about 40 matches a season and the last time I saw trouble at a match I
was attending was in 1986 when Man Utd were away at West Ham and I went along 
as a neutral supporter. 

> verbal abuse far more prevalent,

I see more verbal abuse on r.s.s.

> and fear - a reality.

I have never been frightened yet when attending a football match.

>As somebody who lost a friend in the Hillsboro disaster, and having
>witnessed the tremendous sense of community spirit and consideration which
>ensued might I suggest that you confine your remarks to topics upon which
>you have both knowledge and sensitivity.

The same goes for your generalistic rubbish written above. 

>As for Liverpool's exit there can be no question on this occasion that it
>was deserved, they simply did not play well enough.

>However had the referee in that instance applied the same standards to his
>decision making throughout - perhaps Mike Marsh would have remained on the
>field or three Sparta players would have joined him for the early bath. Such
>inconsistency should not be tolerated by UEFA.
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I.T.Marsh, Manchester, England.

Nat Lofthouse - on the difference between his 1950's heyday and the current
playing standards :

"There were plenty of fellas who would kick your bollocks off. The difference
was that at the end they'd shake your hand and help you look for them!"