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From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Balata Golf Balls
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:00:11 GMT

David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
:
: Anyone out there who uses Balata golf balls on their regular golf outings? I
: tried out one of these balls on the course the other day.  Amazing bite and
: backspin on the greens---too bad they are expensive and not as durable as
: Surlyn. Comments??
: 

I just switched to balata when I bought my last dozen.  I'm not a
great golfer either, generally shoot right about 100 on a 72/112.
They do cut easier than surlyn, but I usually lose them before they
get too badly cut (I probably average one lost ball per round).
Besides, as the ripples settle on the pond, you can say to yourself,
"Well, that one was a gettin kind of cut up anyway."

As for expense, If you spend $15 to $20 dollars for green fees, $10 on
snacks and libation, $10 for the kid who mows your lawn so you can go
golfing, why sweat the difference between a $1 golf ball and a $2 golf
ball.

After all, it's _style_ that really matters, and playing balata balls
is way classier.

Go ahead, spring for that box of Tour 100's.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  DIDI...  is that a
Rosemount Inc.                                |MARTIAN name, or, are we in
                                              |ISRAEL?
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Driving distances
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:47:10 GMT

dye@edison.llumc.edu (Leonard Dye) writes:

>The other day someone was telling about John Daly's drives being 300+ yards and
>I was wondering why his average is only 280 or so. Does the PGA averages includelay ups off the tee like a 400 yard par 4 with a 3 wood? Any comments on why hisaverage driving distance is much lower?

The PGA only measures two holes per round.  They try to get ones that are
straight and run in opposite directions so that wind and other factors
won't be counted.  I wonder about this also unless he hits an occasional
really poor driver.  I also wonder how Jim Dent has a longer average on the
Senior Tour than Daly has.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com

-- 
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John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: Re: one more rules question
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:17:50 GMT

sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely) writes:
- I decided to not include the article because of the length.
- This is regards to the wind blowing a ball that was at rest.
- 
- John Meredith is correct in that, if the ball marker was still on the green and
- the wind blew the ball, simply replace the ball.  I guess I assumed that
- because the player was described as "ready to putt", he had already lifted his
- mark. 
- 
- For those of you saying, fine, I'll just always leave the marker on the green,
- I don't know.  It seems like when you replace the ball you have to lift your
- mark but I can't find anything along these lines.  Anyone else?
- 
- Ron Sercely
- 

If you've taken your stance, addressed the ball and grounded your club - you
are ready to put. If the ball then moves it doesn't matter if the marker is
still there. I don't know about the rules regarding the marker, but I
beleive that upon placing the ball you have to remove the marker 'without
any undue delay' (you can't address the ball in between).

Golf rules, how strange they sometimes seem to be, are normally logical.
I, however, fail to see the logic in a penalty in the situation where you
replace a marked ball, address it and a gusty wind blows it off the green...

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 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Rules Question
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:52:36 GMT

> No.  The correct procedure is to call player C a big girl's blouse, ram the 3 
>iron up his arse, ditch his rule book in the nearest lateral water hazard (within
>two club lenghts if possible and in any case no nearer the hole) and get on with the
>golf.

My sentiments exactly.  It's nice to know there are other non-dweebs on the net...

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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian Masters
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:26:44 GMT

tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes:
- oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland) writes:
- - 
- - I would definitely like to SM on tv, but to my knowledge it has not been explicitly 
- - scheduled by the Swedish Television. They are concentrating on the Olympics.

It's covered 4-6 hours a day on Swedish Channel 4. Screen Sport also gives
a summary just before midnight, I think.

- - Do you have any other information?
- - 
- - Odd Ivar Lindland
- - PhD-student
- - University of Trondheim
- - NOWRWAY

Is this the "Ny-Norsk/English" version of NOREG? :-) (sorry)

After the first day, the result was as follows:

66 Steven Richardson, England (equal to course record)
67 Howard Clark, England
68 Vijay Singh, Fidji
69 Anders Forsbrand, Sweden
   Dennis Edlund, Sweden
   Pierre Fulke, Sweden
   Wayene Westner, Sydafrika
   Jay Don Blake, USA
70 Mark Mouland, Wales
   Nick Faldo, England
   James Spence, England
   Mark Roe, England
   Stephen Field, England
   Magnus Sunesson, Sweden
   Robert Karlsson, Sweden
   Per-Ulrik Johansson, Sweden
   Glen Day, USA
   Eamon Darcy, Ireland
   Mike Harwwod, Australia
   Paul Lawrie, Scotland
   Adam Hunter, Scotland
   Sandy Lyle, Scotland
   Jose Manuel Carriles, Spain

The second day is not as calm, and the scores are generally higher.
Ballesteros and Stadler will probably miss the cut, at the moment they
are 4 and 5 over par. Olazabal is on par.

The players said they liked the course very much.

-- 
=============================================================================
 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
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From: n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:01:24 GMT
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

From article <92212.093645RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, by RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU:
> learn to handle golf courses better.  But if he can't learn to handle fame, he
> will probably fizzle.  LZ



He will be a LONG time fizzling.  The PGA Championship, a major, gives him
a ten year exemption on the PGA Tour.  He only needs one hot four days
to win another.  He almost did it to Glasson recently and if he had played
one iron pitching wedge ;-) on a LONG par four, he would have tied minimum.
He just has to learn course management.

Bob

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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: Hitting straight
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:28:42 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-23-92 11:23

A(> From: andy@ee.man.ac.uk (Andrew Nisbet (PhD))
A(> Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
A(> Subject: Re: Hitting straight
A(> Date: 22 Jul 92 08:59:16 GMT
A(> Reply-To: andy@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Andrew Nisbet (PhD))

A(> >I've been playing golf for about 5 years now, but only recently 
have I started
A(> >taking it very seriously.  I'm decent with club distance, chipping, putting,
A(> >etc, but my BIG problem is hitting the ball without slice, especially off
A(> >the tee.
A(> >
A(> A slice can be caused by many faults in the grip, stance or swing. If you want
A(> to eradicate this slice and get a reliable repeating swing I would recommend
A(> reading ``The Modern Fundamentals Of Golf'' by Ben Hogan (it worked for me). 
A(> The publisher used to be Kaye and Ward in the UK but I think it might be Simon
A(> and Schuster now. 
A(> 
A(> Andy.

     It IS Simon & Schuster. The clarity of the writing is 
unsurpassed. The book describes all the elements of the swing very 
clearly. As presented, I think Hogan stands too tall but you couldn't 
go wrong trying to emulate his swing. And this from a book first 
published in 1957.
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From: dmn@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Dan Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Cook blows British Open
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:41:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.195046.5903@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, CLARK@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (William Clark) writes:
> 
> By the way, wasn't it a pleasant relief to watch a tournament where the
> "Be the man" oafs were apparently absent, and polite applause for ALL
> the competitors was the norm?
> 
> William Clark

I distinctly remember hearing several "be the man"'s with a decidely British
accent. It seems bad taste is universal. But, yes it would be a relief to not
listen to it.


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From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: one more rules question
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:34:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.111750.6844@enea.se> tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) write
s:
[stuff about a moving ball deleted]
>
>Golf rules, how strange they sometimes seem to be, are normally logical.
>I, however, fail to see the logic in a penalty in the situation where you
>replace a marked ball, address it and a gusty wind blows it off the green...
>
>--
>=============================================================================
> Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
>=============================================================================

Tommy, You have to get off this "logic" thing. There is no "logic" to golf. 
It's called "Rub o' the Green". It sucks, but that's what makes golf such an 
interesting game. It's like life [lecture warning!]. You think things are going
along just fine, and WHAP! You get hit upside the head. It's not your fault, it
just happens. Rub o' the Green! :-)

*******************************************************************************
Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Increasing distance
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:17:37 GMT

My wife is a relative beginner who has reached the point where she
hits consistently with all her clubs, but gets only about 150 yds
on her drives and proportionally less with other clubs.  
She is physically strong enough to hit much further, but not sure
what to try yet.  We live in a remote area and so far haven't
found a good pro, so I was wondering if anyone on the net could
recommend any instructional materials that they have found
helpful, particularly for women, to increase distance while
maintaining accuracy and
consistency.
-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: Double-sling shoulder strap
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:39:48 GMT

In <42760025@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> rayn@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ray Normantas) writes:

> Are there any bags that come with double sling straps? I'm especially
> interested in mail order. I've talked too some of the discount golf
> shops and they won't go for under $100 on the decent carry bags because
> they are selling well. 

> Ray

Just get the double-sling straps available through Austad's (according to
Jay Miazga). Costs about $25-$30. The Wilson Levitator bags costs C$150 and
up here in Vancouver. It's really ridiculous to pay that much for a bag.

If only those Taiwanese clones will come out with a double-sling strap sooner,
I would expect the price of the IZZO strap to fall to a realistic level.
From: andy@ee.man.ac.uk (Andrew Nisbet (PhD))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hitting straight
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:59:16 GMT
Reply-To: andy@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Andrew Nisbet (PhD))
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

>In article <Brq8vJ.G6u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mike) writes:
>I've been playing golf for about 5 years now, but only recently have I started
>taking it very seriously.  I'm decent with club distance, chipping, putting,
>etc, but my BIG problem is hitting the ball without slice, especially off
>the tee.
>
A slice can be caused by many faults in the grip, stance or swing. If you want
to eradicate this slice and get a reliable repeating swing I would recommend
reading ``The Modern Fundamentals Of Golf'' by Ben Hogan (it worked for me). 
The publisher used to be Kaye and Ward in the UK but I think it might be Simon
and Schuster now. 

Andy.
--
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                Manchester M13 9PL, England.
Internet: andy@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk             Janet: andy@uk.ac.man.ee.spec0
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From: pat@mks.com (Pat Inglis)
Subject: My favourite golfers are...
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:37:22 GMT

My favourite golfers are -

-Duffy Waldorf because how can you not like a golfer named 'Duffy'
-Fred Funk beacuse his name sounds cool. He's Fred. He's Funky. He's
 Fred Funky 
-Dave Barr because he's a Canadian and he still has the guts to wear that
 cheezy blue sweater/vest thing during every damn tournament

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From: v5875bza@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael M Gorman Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hitting straight
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>In article <Brq8vJ.G6u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mike) writes:

>etc, but my BIG problem is hitting the ball without slice, especially off
>the tee.
>

I would say that if a book or a video doesn't help you in very short
order, you should look into lessons.  Lessons can be expensive, of 
course, so consider a group lesson or lessons.  I took a group lesson
through the local public school system (adult education or whatever
they call it)--$15 for five lessons from a non-pro.  It improved my
game tremendously.  Not as good as 'real' lessons from a real pro,
but 1/10th the price!

Michael Gorman
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: kozlowsk@acs.ucalgary.ca (Don M. Kozlowski)
Subject: Re: How to pull out the flagstick....
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:49:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Jul24.161711.29287@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:

[stuff deleted...]

>About the pulling the pin deal. I have seen many pros who have holed their
>shot from the fairway pull the ball out very gingerly so as not to do something
>strange like have the pin knock the ball out. I have also seen caddies twist
>the pin in the cup before pulling it out so as not to pull the entire cup out
>of the ground, or pull the ball out with the pin.

As I understand it these caddies are pulling the ping out carefully, so
as not to damage the hole. If you yank the pin out, and it jams, you end
up pulling the cup up along with it. Sometimes the cup comes out, but
more often it just creates a timy ridge aroung the hole. That's one
reason why the ball seems to go in the cup willingly in the early
morning, but veers off at the last second late in the day.

-- 
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Academic Computing Services		Fax:   (403) 282-9199
The University of Calgary
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Donna Andrews penalty (Was Re: How to pull out the flagstick....)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:35:26 GMT

billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:

>john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght) writes:
>: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:

>: The WOMAN is Donna Andrews.  
>: 
>: No slap, they just told her that she had not followed the rules and that
>: she needed to add another stroke.  Her reasoning for not following the
>: rules was that she misunderstood what constituted a stroke, as opposed to
>: not knowing that she had to replace a ball that was accidentally moved.
>: She felt that since the club head was moving forward when it hit the ball
>: it was a stroke, but the rule also says you must have intended to hit the
>: ball, which she admitted she had not.  Therefore, instead of being a stroke
>: (which is what she thought it was), it was a violation of Rule 18 and she
>: had to replace it.
>: 
>: It is not unfair.

>It is somewhat unfair.  The next person will simply say they intended to hit
>the ball, but they did not strike it correctly, and thus avoid the extra penalty

Possibly, but most of the players on the tours would admit the error and
replace the ball if they knew the rule or take the second stroke if they
didn't, rather than saying "I meant to do that, yeah, I really did."

If someone in the situation that she was in tried to claim that they had
intended to hit the ball, everyone would have known the truth.  How often do
you hit the ball while looking at the hole?  Given that, they might have
believed the player, but they would have kept a very close eye on her after
that.  I think that most players on the tours are more honest than you seem
to want to give them credit for.

>for not putting the ball back to its original position.  It seems to me that enforcement
>of this rule is very sticky.  I guess the official should have asked her,
>"did you intend to do that"?  

David Eger said that they did ask her after the round and she said she had not
intended to hit the ball.  She also said she was asked after the round but
before she signed her scorecard and shown the rule in the book.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
From: mcole@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Cook blows British Open
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:19:23 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1992Jul20.195046.5903@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, CLARK@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (William Clark) writes:
> I sense a typical American desparation in calling John Cook's
> performance at Muirfield "blowing it". True he missed the birdie
> putt which would have got him into the playoff, but he holed a
> number of long par-savers elsewhere. He should also be congratulated
> for being in the picture at all after his double-bogey at 9 (I think).
> Many other would have folded their tents and left quietly after that,
> a la Steve Pate, but he quietly played himself right back into it. No,
> I don't think that John Cook let the US down on Sunday, and it's unfair
> to describe his efforts in those terms. I think it is also impossible to
> comprehend, without playing a course like Muirfield undet those condidtions,
> to appreciate just how very difficult it can be, even when things are
> apparently so benign. After all, there are no trees, only wispy rough, and
> the fairways are not tricked-up to 10' wide for the tournament. Must be
> easy, right? Wrong. That course is tough, and especially when you have to
> play with wind, so that allthe yardages go out of the window. Didn't
> Cook hit a 5-iron 230 yards onto #17, playing downwind? There were very
> few sub-par rounds yesterday, and I think that Faldo's emotional reaction
> to the win is a measure of just how intense the pressure is on those
> players when conditions are like that on tough courses.
> 
> Anyway, congatulations to Faldo for the win, and congratulations to John
> Cook, in only his second Open, for such a fine and I might add, dignified
> performance. Go Bucks!
> 
> By the way, wasn't it a pleasant relief to watch a tournament where the
> "Be the man" oafs were apparently absent, and polite applause for ALL
> the competitors was the norm?
> 
> William Clark

Well said.  I think John Cook is an up and comer in the U.S.  Faldo did play 
great golf.  He deserved the win.  By the way I believe that John Cook hit 
that 5 iron 250 yards into 17.  I also heard that John Daly hit a drive 
371 yards on Friday or Saturday.  WOW!!  I suppose there was some roll to 
it.


Michael P. Cole

long time golf nut
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland)
Subject: Re: average club hitting distances
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:47:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, HSS

In article <12373@inews.intel.com>, bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
|> In article <BrpvH1.GCJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ewolfe@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (eric andrew wolfe) writes:
|> >Just out of curiosity, when people say "I hit my 5 iron about 175
|> >yards," are they talking about on the fly, or are they including roll
|> >(i.e., the total distance of the shot)?
|> 
|> Total.  It's the distance you have to walk before you get
|> to hit it again.
|> 

So that includes wandering back and forth in the rough trying to find
it, right?

--
Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force

MS 62-024, Harris Semiconductor Sector, PO Bx 883, 
Melbourne  FL 32905.  geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com

"Never let the facts interfere with your perception of reality."
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: average club hitting distances
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:02:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona

In article <BrpvH1.GCJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ewolfe@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (eric andrew wolfe) writes:
>Just out of curiosity, when people say "I hit my 5 iron about 175
>yards," are they talking about on the fly, or are they including roll
>(i.e., the total distance of the shot)?

Total.  It's the distance you have to walk before you get
to hit it again.

				--Blair
				  "...and again and again and again..."
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From: tomaich@wk99.nas.nasa.gov (George T. Tomaich)
Subject: Handicaps and Equitable Stroke Control
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:24:20 GMT

I was wondering if you apply Equitable Stroke Control (ESC)
to your scores BEFORE you have at least 20 scores.  I know you
can calculate a handicap with fewer than 20 scores, but can you
use this handicap to subsequently shave strokes by ESC?

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From: kmc@cs.brown.edu (Ken Curewitz)
Subject: Survey of Good Golf Instruction Books
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:16:12 GMT


-- 
What are your opinions on good books on golf?

From those which I've read, I like Hogan's book, Fundamentals of Modern Golf
the best.

Ken Curewitz
Brown University  Box 1910  Providence RI 02912
kmc@brown.cs.edu