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From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: my final article on the Chinese refugees' employment
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:47:35 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct14.144859.9475@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>In article <2ADB9A5F.15411@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>>I received many readers' comments after I posted my previous article.  
>>Obviously, I don't have the time to respond each mail.
>
>Anyone who uses the name "Mr Shannon Yeh" is obviously Too Important
>to respond to plebian discussions ....

Perhaps he uses the title "Mr." in order to avoid confusion caused by the
name "Shannon", which is used by both males and females (and more commonly
by females in the U.S.A.)

Sorry to interrupt your self-righteous diatribe with common sense.
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From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: N Cal Internationalization (I18N) Contract Opty
Keywords: N Cal I18N UNIX development job jobs Taos contract
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:26:37 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Taos Mountain Software, a Mountain View, CA based Unix  Contract-
ing and Training company, has several Unix contract openings.

Taos Mountain offers its W2 contractors Health Insurance,  Educa-
tional  Reimbursement,  business  cards,  Internet access, and we
work hard to keep our  contractors  busy  from  one  contract  to
another.  Contact us for details.

   When replying, please indicate req number and job title.
 If emailing us a resume, please send only flat ascii resumes.

USMail:         Jerry Bowes
                Taos Mountain Software
                415 Clyde Ave., Suite 105
                Mountain View, CA  94043

voice:          (415) 961-2100
fax:            (415) 961-6668
email:          tms@netcom.com

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


                         === Req 214 ===

Job Title:              Internationalization (I18N) Engineer

Number of Openings:     1

Likely Duration:        3-6 Months

Job Description:        SVR4 POSIX, XPG4 and I18N Developer

        Strong Unix development engineer required to perform following:

        - Modify Unix Systems Libraries for POSIX 1003.2 and XPG4
          compliance.

        - Internationalization work on SVR4 kernel.

Candidate Qualifications:

        - Senior Unix software engineer with strong background in kernel
          and systems libraries.

        - Relevant experience and/or understanding of Internationalization
          (I18N) issues in a UNIX environment.

        - SVR4 experience a big plus.

             === See reply info at top of file.  ===

          == End of Taos Mountain Software Posting. ==
From: bmcllree@ad-server.Naitc.Com (Bob McLlree)
Subject: Re: RUSSIAN COMPANIES ARE LOOKING FOR A PARTNER
Organization: AC Nielsen Co., Bannockburn IL
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:31:00 GMT

In article <ABupLsgqE6@infomash.simbirsk.su> igo@infomash.simbirsk.su writes:
>
>Drear sirs,
>
>If You are looking for a partner in Russia,  our company  will  be
>
>	[puffery in bad English deleted]
>
>To get registered as a subscriber, You need to:
>- pay a registration fee of USD 500.
>If You decide to subscriber to our services, please pay USD 500 by
>

I don't mind the recent resumes of Russians looking for work,  or
even Russian comapnies looking for business leads in jobs newsgroups. This,
however, is blatant advertising. KNOCK IT OFF!

Bob McIlree
Disclaimer: The views presented herein are mine alone.
From: akkana@moab.wpd.sgi.com (Akkana Peck)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: use of m.j.c
Keywords: clients contracts jobs
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:50:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: moab.wpd.sgi.com

>In article <BvyxGt.3vG@sdf.lonestar.org> carden@sdf.lonestar.org (Jack Carden) writes:
>>Let's ask those recruiters and consulting service organizations
>>that offer JOBS to use misc.jobs.offered for their purposes.
>
>>If it's via W-2, it's a part-time or full-time job.

Well, as a W-2 contractor (currently), I see quite a bit of difference
between the full-time-permanent jobs offered on misc.jobs.offered and
the hourly-rate jobs offered here.  I'm not currently looking for a new
contract, but when I do, I tend to read misc.jobs.contract and not
misc.jobs.offered, and I'd hate to see the situation change so that I had
to wade through m.j.o when looking for new contracts.  The traffic here
is fairly low -- I don't have any problem skipping the job offerings and
reading just the discussion when I'm not looking for a contract.
Besides, I suspect a lot of those W-2 offerings could be negotiated
into a 1099 contract if the contractor cared enough to argue the point.

In article <1992Oct14.025925.3245@samba.oit.unc.edu> Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel) writes:
>So far, the only comments posted favor keeping these W2 offerings
>out of here.  I'm going to abstain, cause I don't care.  But if the
>other side doesn't speak up, then those few who have commented will wind
>up making the decision for everybody else.

Okay, here's a comment from the other side -- I don't see anything wrong
with job-shop postings here, and I'd like to see them stay here.  If it
really bothers some people, maybe we *should* split misc.jobs.contract
(though it doesn't seem to me that the traffic is high enough to warrant
a split), but please don't make W-2 contractors wade through m.j.o.

	...Akkana	akkana@netcom.com
From: laurad@kenda.mv.com (Laura dos Santos)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: ***SR UNIX/X-Windows Trainer, VA***
Distribution: usa  
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 14:20:38 GMT
Organization: KENDA Systems, Inc.


Greetings, 
 
KENDA Systems, Inc. is an international software organization, specializing
in placing quality computer consultants for a wide variety of companies
throughout North America and Europe.       

Currently, my Washington, DC Office has an opening for a senior level 
UNIX/X-Windows Trainer in Northern Virginia for a DOD project.  Contract is 
expected to go for 6+ months.

For immediate consideration, please call Nancy @ (301) 595-3022

Regards,
Laura
Laura dos Santos				Telephone: (603) 898-7884
laurad@kenda.mv.com				Address:   KENDA Systems, Inc.
						           1 Stiles Rd.
						           Salem, NH 03079
From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman)
Subject: EE for design review, southern CA
Organization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:54:22 GMT

We're looking for an EE to review a design proposal.  It involves
signals that would be involved in a FAX machine, but is much simpler.

We're located in LA county.
-- 
Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com )
voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA  93035
Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say.
From: gb@cup.portal.com (Greg A Buechler)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Headhunter Warning!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:39:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <dickerso.718906344@fester> <1992Oct14.131402.25024@meaddata.com>
  <1992Oct14.233402.9815@cactus.org>

Now for a view from the other side...that is from a recruiter....

Some states have laws against using an alias.  Usually these laws fall under
the areas known as a ruse.  Here in the wonderful state of CA, a company 
found to have used a ruse can be fined upwards of $1,000 and have their 
phones ripped out of the walls.  Now what is a ruse?  A ruse is making a
call for the purpose of deceit.  Calling a company and preying on a admin-
istrator and probing for names, saying your from some radio station is a
ruse, but calling a person, using their name, but not stating where you got
that name is not.  When you add the use of an alias it gets grey...the thing
to remember is what is the purpose.  If it is to recruit you, then it 
probably wouldn't be a ruse, but to get names of referrals, it might be.

As for using your real name when recruiting...YES! by all means it makes
much more sense.  If I am a good recruiter and my name is passed between
friends, I'd sure want my real name used!

If there is any question about the person calling you, say that you are
very busy at this time, but that you would like to call them back. Get 
their name, company, address, and phone number.  If they are reluctant to
give it to you, don't bother to go on.  If they do provide the info, then
by all means call them back!  It is both polite, confirms identities, and
may be, just may be something that you will want to look at further.

By the way, try to get an idea if the recruiter works on a contingency or
retained basis.  For those that are unfamiliar....a contingent assignment
(recruiters perpective) is one where thy will only get paid if they both
find the person, AND that person lasts a predetermined length of time 
(usually 90 days).  A retainer can be either as a prepaid fee by the hiring
company (less than the contingency fee, but one a person is hired the
rest of the fee is paid) or it can be a flat/hourly rate (what I do).

If you look at the motivations for each of the types of recruiters, you will
see that they work on different planes.  You chose who to work with.

Best regards,

Greg A. Buechler
Account Executive,
ORYX Executive Search, Inc.
3235 Kifer Road, Suite 340
Santa Clara, CA  95051

"Of course my opinions are my own, no one else would want them."
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: my final article on the Chinese refugees' employment
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:56:15 GMT

I received many readers' comments after I posted my previous article.  
Obviously, I don't have the time to respond each mail.

Just like the coins have two sides, some of these comments support me, and 
some don't; some people discussed with me emotionally, and some did it
professionally. Both parties include Chinese nationals and the US nationals.

Maybe I am wrong based on your philosophy, or maybe I am right.  To me,
this is no longer important.  The important thing I want to tell in this
final article is three facts as follows:

  1. Many Chinese refugees themselves admit that they do NOT have danger
     to go home, and that they just need easy green cards.

  2. Many Americans do NOT like this "protection" bill, either.  

  3. I am the first one who yelled out in 1989 that those students' activities
     in the US are NOT for democracy but for their green cards.  My predict
     became fact!  

[end of discussion, feel free to criticize me or appreciate me]

Sincerely,

Shannon Yeh
From: lloyd-ritter@cup.portal.com (Lloyd-Ritter and Associates)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Answerbook ex nice/unix c/instaalation testing,s.bay,recruiter
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:04:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

location-s.bay                             rate-open jr-mid 
start-asap                                 length-3mo
skills-testing/unixc/installation/Answerbook online doc.


call Jaya at 415-964-6644,fax 964-8719
no e-mail please
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: accepted an offer which was ridiculously low and I'm not happy...
Organization: UDSI
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:26:51 GMT



She doesn't have a legal leg to stand on and she knows it.
lawyer husband or no lawyer husband,  one has to have a case.
There is an old maxim in law that goes " if the facts are against you,
argue the law,  if the law is against you, argue the facts,
if the law and the facts are against you,  scream and pound the table.

i think you just heard a three hour scream and shout session.
under the law, it is very clear, if a company is closing an office,
they have no obligiation other then contractually to keep on
people.   she probably wasnt sexually harassed and she had a bad
performance record.  

if i were you i would point out she doesnt have a case, and her husband
has better things to do then file suits d=for which he'll get stung
for court costs, if it lacks merit.  
second,  i would argue for prevailing wage, because they cant expect to 
keep people at low wages.
third if the company is rocketing like you say,  i would argue for
shitty wages, but lots of stock options,  like as many as your salary
ast the ipo price, each year  latching after 3 years. and for 6 month
salary reviews......

try that
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: dickerso@fester.dell.com (Russell Dickerson - X2787)
Subject: Re: Headhunter Warning!
Reply-To: dickerso@cpat.stortek.com
Organization: IO SpecialistsConsulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:12:24 GMT

steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:

>I received a call the other night from a Peter Jeloff (sp?) of
>Integrated Solutions or Systems, of Newport Beach, CA. He wanted me to
>provide him with some names.

Unfortunately, most Head Hunters use aliases.  Once an alias has a bad rep,
the simply switch to another.  This "gentelman" will probable do the same.
"There aught to be a law..." :^)

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Russell Dickerson	Unix/X Consultant	IOSpecialists
(303) 673-5409 ---REPLY TO>>> dickerso@cpat.stortek.com <<<!!!!--------
For every vision, there is an equal and opposite Congressional revision.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: use of m.j.c Was: Re: Advocate for Repeal of 1706
Keywords: clients contracts jobs
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 03:15:10 GMT

In article <BvyxGt.3vG@sdf.lonestar.org> carden@sdf.lonestar.org (Jack Carden) writes:
>
>and CONTRACTORS post notices.  Let's ask those recruiters and consulting 
>service organizations that offer JOBS to use misc.jobs.offered for their
>purposes.  If it's via W-2, it's a part-time or full-time job.
>
>Just my opinion.  Let's hear what others think.

Good idea.   My $0.016 worth.

Rob D:
                      -----------------------
duwors@csi.uottawa.ca  aka  Robert Du Wors    Tel:613.831.1930 Fax:613.831.0272
                            141 Country Lane, Kanata, Ontario, Canada   K2L 1J6
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From: alanh@cup.portal.com (Alan E Hattman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: SW Dev. Network Mgmt,C,Cobol,RDBMS,GUI-Seattle WA(Recruiter)
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 15:46:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

****************************************************************************
  Mini-Systems Associates                Branch Manager: Sally Kernan
  12509 Bellevue-Redmond Road, Ste. 100       Telephone: (206)637-0102
  Bellevue, WA 98005                                Fax: (206)637-0087
                                   Email: alanh@cup.portal.com (ASCII only)
****************************************************************************

                               Position# 950SK

POSITION TITLE      : Software Engineer
SKILL REQUIREMENTS  : C,Cobol,RDBMS,GUI,CASE, Network Management

LOCATION OF CONTRACT: Seattle              START DATE: Jan - 1993
CONTRACT PAY RATE   : $28-$40/HR           LENGTH    : 12 Months+

           Business Applications development.  C (Working knowledge of
           Cobol), network management, CASE tools, GUI and RDBMS.
           Sun and Tandem platforms


                  >> Email responses will be forwarded.<<<
                     Please mention the Postion number.
                  For fastest response call Sally directly.
From: jodyf@informix.com (Jody Fairchild)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Contracting Scene in (Central) Oregon
Summary: Any info?
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:29:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


	I may be planning to move to Oregon next spring, probably either 
	Eugene or Portland.  I would appreciate email from folks who are
	familiar with the contracting scene in the Eugene/Portland/Salem 
	area regarding general availability, pay rates, etc.  Really any
	insight you might care to offer.

	I will be looking for work as a (business) applications software
	developer using Informix 4GL and/or C, with about 4 years of
	experience.  I am currently working as a contractor at Informix
	HQ in Menlo Park, CA.

	Thanks.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jody Fairchild ------ Informix Software, Inc. ------ jodyf@informix.com
                    (uunet!pyramid!infmx!jodyf)
          "A world of savagery, sorcery, and super science."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: N Cal Unix S/W Release Eng Contract Oppty
Keywords: N Cal CM configuration management release engineer job Taos jobs contract
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:56:25 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Taos Mountain Software, a Mountain View, CA based Unix  Contract-
ing and Training company, has several Unix contract openings.

Taos Mountain offers its W2 contractors Health Insurance,  Educa-
tional  Reimbursement,  business  cards,  Internet access, and we
work hard to keep our  contractors  busy  from  one  contract  to
another.  Contact us for details.

   When replying, please indicate req number and job title.
 If emailing us a resume, please send only flat ascii resumes.

USMail:         Jerry Bowes
                Taos Mountain Software
                415 Clyde Ave., Suite 105
                Mountain View, CA  94043

voice:          (415) 961-2100
fax:            (415) 961-6668
email:          tms@netcom.com

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


                         === Req 196 ===

Job Title:              Release Engineer

Number of Openings:     1

Likely Duration:        3 months plus on-going maintenance

Job Description:        S/W Configuration Mgmt

Client needs entire Software Configuration Management Policies
and initial implementation performed.  Product is a large
Sun-based application.  We are looking for someone who can set up the
configuration management environment, create policies and
procedures that the engineering department can adhere to.

Candidate Qualifications:
        *       5+ years of relevant technical experience
        *       Unix (SunOS) experience
        *       Knowledge of configuration management issues
        *       ability to write complicated makefiles
        *       mature individual who can work with client in
                establishing policies on scm environment.


             === See reply info at top of file.  ===

          == End of Taos Mountain Software Posting. ==
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: mbr@merk.com (Mark Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: use of m.j.c Was: Re: Advocate for Repeal of 1706
Keywords: clients contracts jobs
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:38:39 GMT

In article <BvyxGt.3vG@sdf.lonestar.org> carden@sdf.lonestar.org (Jack Carden) writes:
>I wholeheartedly support the use of the word 'Clients'.  The intent, I 
>believe, of this subgroup was to separate the contract work and discussions 
>from those of misc.jobs.offered.  Let's stick with the idea that CLIENTS 
>and CONTRACTORS post notices.  Let's ask those recruiters and consulting 
>service organizations that offer JOBS to use misc.jobs.offered for their
>purposes.  If it's via W-2, it's a part-time or full-time job.
>
>Just my opinion.  Let's hear what others think.

I'm not sure I like that.  I like having "permanent" openings in a separate
group from "temporary" openings.  I'd really like to see the group subdivided
a bit finer than I suggested last time:

	misc.jobs.contract.offered
	misc.jobs.contract.offered.recruiter
	misc.jobs.contract.resumes
	misc.jobs.contract.misc

and while we're at it, an analogous hierarchy for "permanent" postitons:

	misc.jobs.offered
	misc.jobs.offered.recruiter
	misc.jobs.resumes
	misc.jobs.misc

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Subject: FL: C, Unix, PC, Lans (recruiter)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:05:36 GMT

        work location: central FL
   skill requirements: C, Unix, PC, LANs
                 rate: $40-70K/year
 
Fortune 500 services company has contract requirement for a programmer/analyst
with 2+ years experience in C and Unix, PCs, and LANs.
 
If you are interested in this opening, please contact Mike Mitchell at
813-287-5121 or mail your resume to:
	Computer International Consultants
	Attn: Mike Mitchell
	550 North Reo Street  Suite 300
	Tampa, FL 33609-1013
	FAX: 813-287-5137
 
This notice is being posted for a firm that does not have Internet access.
Please send your resume by FAX or U.S. mail to ensure consideration for the
--
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