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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:00:02 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep12.211716.441@zooid.guild.org>, Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> It is faster than the TT but it easily outperforms any TT. However, I can run
> software that will "blow away" any ST software. Give me anything that can
> compete with the following: OrCAD, AutoCAD, WP, and any 3D animation software.

     Have you seen DynaCADD in action? I would not want Word Perfect!
(I've used it, and I do not like it at all. Try WordFlair II.)

> I am in particular interested in OrCAD and as far as I know there isn't
> anything that is as powerful as that piece of software. It is $1500 and is
> pretty affordable since industrial software is in the $5000+ range. I am not
> upset, I love my PC and I doubt that any other computer can offer me this
> power and support for the same price.
> 
> What are you comparing, TOS with Windows? Get real. 
> Mark K.

     You still have not said what You use you computer for.

Later.......

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: Re: Communications Software
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 03:44:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.102254.18371@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
>But what about D.C's STORM, writen by Allen Page the Flash man, could this be
>the Best Terminal program for the Atari's...???
>

Honestly...
  Never heard of it 'til just now...  (I still like Flash, Flash II seemed
slower.)

jc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: matthias@asl.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Ehrhard)
Subject: gcc  
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 13:34:54 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, ASL.

Hi,
I got the binaries from gcc (2.1, I think) and tried to compile the program
'hello world' :). 
But I failed. I would be thankful if someone could explain me, how to use
the program. (or where I can find hints :) )

Matthias
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Is Falcon worth buying?
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:35:55 GMT



So what are they really looking for? Another computer that will collect dust
after a few months of use. Or are they looking around them and see no
software that will take advantage of its new functions. Heck, if I see
major names like Borland, Microsoft, Lotus Corp., and more I might consider
it since it would have potential. Otherwise, another item for the local
museum. Your DSP, SCSI-2, 45 trillion color modes are the same arguments
that 16 year old kids make on Atari Corp. conference in North America called
"AEO." 

Let me ask you something, are you posting from New Zealand where Atari
support is 0, zilch, Null? If so, where do you get your software? Where
do you get Atari books? Where do you go when something is wrong with your
Atari computer? Would you care to explain?

Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:43:42 GMT

In <1992Sep12.141903.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.094141.18101@sci.kun.nl>, leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:
>[ a well-balanced comparison of different machines, including the Falcon,
>  deleted to save space ]
>[ on the subject of the Falcon: ]

>>   However: it cannot and will never run
>>   unix (at least not for free) with X-Windows/OpenLook

>Actually, there's no reason at all that a Falcon couldn't run BSD 4.4 or
>the GNU Hurd, when those become available. All the GNU tools (make, gcc,
>gas, bison, flex, bash) are available now for the ST, and will run
>on the Falcon, so porting the GNU kernel or BSD should be (relatively)
>straightforward.

True, if a port of unix is done then it surely will run great on a falcon,
but porting linux will take a lot of time and I don't know if the
user community for falcon is big enough to support such a development.
If it will be ported (together with X) on the other hand, it will be 
a superb choice for me and other people looking for cheap unix
stattions, that can also run great atari st software.

>For that matter, I'm sure that X-Windows could be made to run under
>MiNT/MultiTOS, and I would not be surprised if MultiTOS were eventually
>Posix compliant (please note the qualifiers: I'm not saying that MultiTOS
>*is* or even *will be* Posix compliant, just that I think it *could become*
>Posix compliant).
>--

If I could have X running with MultiTos I wouldnt't need unix :-)
Neat idea ...


>Eric R. Smith                     email:
>Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
>University of Western Ontario

Bye, Leon
leonp@cs.kun.nl
leonp@sci.kun.nll
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox)
Subject: MOD players
Organization: Motorola
Date: 7 Sep 1992 22:02:14 MST

Just wondering if anyone out there has heard of a MOD player that will
play MODs at random, say from a given disk.  Is there such a thing?
Also, just out of curiosity, what is everyone's favorite MOD player?
Thanks for any info!


Kevin
From: only_bbs!JOHN_LOCKARD@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: (none)
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:47:00 GMT
Organization: Ouch! That Hurt!
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant


  
 >  You don't have enough net credits.  
   
 Aw Damn!  Hang-on a minute.  Gotta put a few more quarters into the modem.  
 *Click* *Chink*  *Click* *Chink* *Click* *Chink* *Click* *Chink*  Okay...  
   
 The net messed-up so I don't know who I'm replying to, but....  
 There's a difference between frequency and sampling frequency.  
 To sample a sine-wave you need at least twice the frequncy -  
 the reason is that a sampler takes a snap-shot of the waves  
 amplitude.  So if you sample at the frequency you only get  
 one part of the sine-wave each time you sample, say the upper  
 part, thus a DC wave.  If you sample at twice the freqency  
 then you'll get the upper part of the wave and then the lower  
 part of the wave - thus you can reproduce it accurately.  
   
 This only works with cases where you know where the wave is  
 If you don't know where it is, then you may wind-up sampling  
 the points of the wave that are at zero - meaning the wave  
 is hidden.  In that case you need to up the sampling freqency.  
 Between the sampling rates of twice the freqency and four times  
 the freqency of the sine-wave you get complex phase, frequency,  
 and amplitude distortions that aren't easy to filter out.  
   
 That's why to get the 35KHz wave that the human ear is supposed  
 to detect you need at least 100KHz or more to reproduce the sound.  
  
 P.S.  Graph out a sine wave and sampling if you need a model.
From: Pierre_Hansen@mz.maus.de (Pierre Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: More TT030 help...
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:46:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MZ.A9981
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

u>>Calamus can not use TT-ram.
u>
u>Oh yes it can! If you change the header Calamus will complain at startup (it
u>believes it's been infected by a virus) but will work fine from then on.
u>(The copy I have is a seconds hand copy of version 1.09(UK))).
I wouldn't do it. Using a laserprinter becomes rather fatal with this trick.

Regards Pierre (@DMC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Packet radio
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 07:03:47 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in the Auckland, New Zealand

leridez@rpksun1.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Daniel Leridez) writes:

> Keywords: 
> 
> Hi anybody !
> 
> Can anyone tell me where i can find programs for pocket radio with the ST.
> FTP-Sites are prefered. Does anyone works with such programs ?
> 
 
 Daniel,
 
 You can use KA9Q which is very good for packet radio, but I do not
 know what FTP site it is on sorry. I got my copy from GEnie.
 
 You can also use any normal terminal program if you do not want to
 use KISS (slip/ip).
 
 Regards

                                                  _
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mpark@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:18:48 GMT

In article <2250597@overmind.citadel> only_bbs!arthur_dent@overmind.mind.org writes:
>Actually, it 
>depends on your definition of accuracy.  If you use a sampling frequency 
>twice that of the sine wave's frequency, it would end up as a triangle wave. 
> At three times the frequency, you would get a square wave.  Therefore, to 
>retain the shape of the sine wave, you would need a frequency of at least 5 
>times that of the sound itself.

Although your idea of "retaining the shape of the sine wave" is
intuitively appealing, the Sampling Theorem (tm) assures us that
a sine wave can be completely represented even when sampled at
"only" twice its frequency.  To understand why, you must realize
that a triangle wave of a given frequency contains components
of much higher frequencies.  If the analog signal has been properly
sampled, then even though the digital samples may _look_ like a
triangle wave, the only "legal" underlying analog signal is
a sine wave.


-- 
Ciao-abunga!           +-------------------------------------+
Michael Park           | This space intentionally left blank |
mpark@u.washington.edu +-------------------------------------+
From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:00:06 GMT
	<1992Sep11.082642.11474@cs.hw.ac.uk>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 11-Sep-92 Re: Is Falcon worth
buying? Neil Forsyth@cs.hw.ac.uk (1303)

> In article <2523@ulysse.enst.fr> elendir@helios.enst.fr writes
> regarding the Falcon:
> >-> It'll run Spectre GCR I'm sure even if David Small has to hammer it into
> >-> it so there's no problem with a software shortage...
> >
> > I guess it will. With the new 1.44 Mb drive, you have no need for GCR, 
> >you can read MAC HD disks directly.

> This maybe true or it maybe a rumour based around the fact that Macs with
> HD disk drives can r/w DOS disks with suitable software. As far as I'm
> aware, Atari's Ajax FDC is just a 1772 that can be clocked higher. Is there
> anyone able to confirm or deny this?

> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> ! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own !
> ! Neil Forsyth                                                               !
> ! Department of Computing and Electrical Engineering                         !
> ! Heriot-Watt University                                                     !
> ! Edinburgh, Scotland                                                        !
> ! United Kingdom            Email: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs, ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil !
> ! "'Have you got any?' he asked, expecting the answer no" - Monty Python     !
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

You CAN !
That's all !
It's the same 'hardware' format !
Just the logical format (FAT, directory, ...) is different !

It isn't GCR anymore: it's just good old plain MFM !

I've been able to read a MAC 1.4MB disk on an st with 16Mhz
clocked 1772 ! (it was just for fun: I have no Mac emulator)

	Stefan Monnier
From: clint@artech.UUCP (Clinton Keith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEM.. what needs to be fixed, and soon!
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:21:23 GMT
Organization: Applied Remote Tech., San Diego

In article <1992Sep04.121952.133363@rrz.uni-koeln.de>, aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:
> In <1992Sep04.085511.23890@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
> 
> >Secondly, for the Atari non-intel based machines to be taken seriously at
> >all they have to run a set of de facto standard software.
> 
> The  software  for the 680x0 Ataris
> generally has a much  better  performance/price  ratio  than  the
> software  for  any other platform. Some pieces of ST software are
> without counterparts on any other  system,  and  the  best  thing
> about  it  is  that  some of that stuff is even free! To me, that
> makes a big difference.

I was recently visiting a local computer store that had Mac and PC 
software.  I was struck by the number of titles for both and the low
prices for the PC software.  The prices for the PC software were not
different from the prices for the ST software.

I also recently downloaded Castle Wolfenstein 3-D from GEnie.  The 3-D
real-time graphics in this game make Dungeon Master look silly.  I had a 
problem clearing memory in my girlfriend's PC, because Wolfenstein took
almost 600 K (out of 640K).  The program was running on a '386.

My point is that the Atari can't stand on software (obviously) or even 
architecture anymore.  1985 was a good year since the ST blew away 
any 8086 machine, but now everyone has a '386 in the PC arena, but most
Atari users are still using a 68000 at 8 mhtz.

The Falcon in not going to put Atari in the same position as the ST did
seven years ago.  That chance is lost.  If many sell AND the DSP is used
effectively we could have a popular machine again.

> As someone  has once stated: "Many who have been ahead of their time
> had to wait for it in uncomfortable shelters."

OK.  If this applies to us, maybe we can feel better about it.  I just 
hope the $799 I spend won't be in vain.
-- 
Clinton N. Keith                       ... Speaking for himself.
Applied Remote Tecnology               
crash!hp-sdd!artech!clint              
artech!clint@hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: CoNnect
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>What's the filename of this new version of 'Connect'??

Have a look in the /atari/newitems directory, yet!  Jeff has been working
hard now that he's back.


--
Warwick
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mats@netcom.com (Mats Wichmann)
Subject: Re: TT Unix ASV
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 01:38:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes:

>I saw the latest release (I hope it was) at Atari fair, and the 
>mouse driver was as damned as before, you could hang up the system
>for some ten seconds by simply moving the mouse from one window
>to another while the computer was busily counting numbers in a
>shell script...

The machine needs lotsa memory - UNIX + X11 + OSF/Motif spells an
awful lot of memory pages needed.  A machine with a 16MB TT RAM works
quite nicely (well, that's my opinion anyway; there are times where
there are delays).

>Furthermore, it still comes along with GCC 1.39 - these days most
>people use 2.2.2. OK, you can compile it yourself, but I think
>it reflects what the guys from Atari think about updating.

>Regards, Markus.

Markus, there was no time to validate a new gcc release.  Besides, the
gcc2.x line is still considered beta (at best); the 1.x line is
considered "stable production quality" - that's FSF's line, not mine (and
it's still being maintained, 1.41 was just released).  The Atari gcc was
made to be a complete replacement for the AT&T/Motorola compiler, which
included having to put in support for position-indep.  code, ELF and
DWARF, and all sort of funny compiler flags that were not "native" to
gcc1.39.  All that was a LOT of work.

If anyone intends to use gcc2 on ASV, I've got a configuration that
works just fine for me, but hasn't gone through any sort of rigorous
testing process.
-- 
Mats Wichmann
Unisoft Corporation
mats@unisoft.com (or mats@netcom.com)

Silly Disclaimer:  speaking only for myself, except when I'm not.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Double Click & Internet
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 17:32:11 GMT


I just spoke yesterday with Mike Vederman of Double Click and he asked me
to pass this info along to everyone:
 
1) There is some problem with their Internet account. They are attempting
to either resolve the problem or get another account. Until then, Mike
asks that everyone please stop sending to their current account. (As an
alternative, you could send email to Double Click's CompuServe account:
75300,577@compuserve.com.)
 
2) While Double Click doesn't need Beta testers to call them voice at this
time, they DO need documentation writers to contact them (by calling
713-977-6520).
 
      Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)
From: seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Uwe Seimet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TT Unix ASV
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:29:44 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany

chuck@cpg.trs.reuter.com (Chuck Menard) writes:

>Can one actually purchase it now?  Is it for public sale or for developer's
As far as I know you can get it now because the official version 1.1 has
been released in time for the Atari fair.

>it will be available in color as I do not wish to pay more for a monochrome 
>monitor.
ASV only supports TT high. There is no color driver for X from Atari but
there is one from a third party company. Unfortunately I don't know its
name.

***************************************
*        Uwe Seimet                   *
*        seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de        *
*        seimet@chemie.uni-kl.de      *
*-------------------------------------*
* I really hate this damned machine,  *
*     I wish that they would sell it. *
* It never does that what I mean      *
*     but only what I tell it.        *
***************************************
From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Hard disk Defragmenters, any suggestions?
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:13:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Uegai5m00awJM3nnQX
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 12-Sep-92 Hard disk
Defragmenters, a.. Jeoff Hines@mizzou1.miss (434)


>      I have a friend with an IBM that swears by his H.D. defragmenter.  I
> think he uses every day (sometimes twice).  Says that it speeds up his
> read times.  Could this be true?  Is it a good idea to defragment my Hard
> Drive once in a while?
>      If so, where could I find a RELIABLE defragger?  I saw a.a has one,
> but it didn't mention hard disks in the description......
>  
> Thanks.    J.H.              c556212@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu


I personnally tried such a defragmenter on my HD after
1 year of use. I didn't notice any speed difference !

I think that most of the files you have don't move that much
(applications, libraries, ...). So that defragmenting a HD
is only useful once in a while (if it ever is !)

	Stefan Monnier

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From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:59:01 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <2250597@overmind.citadel> only_bbs!arthur_dent@overmind.mind.org writes:
>Actually, it 
>depends on your definition of accuracy.  If you use a sampling frequency 
>twice that of the sine wave's frequency, it would end up as a triangle wave. 
> At three times the frequency, you would get a square wave.  Therefore, to 
>retain the shape of the sine wave, you would need a frequency of at least 5 
>times that of the sound itself.

Wow! 5x! Wait until Nyquist finds out :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.093234.23094@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.230955.15392@zooid.guild.org> kovarski@zooid.guild.org (Mark Kovarski) writes:
>>The early beta versions of 
>>MultiTOS were slow, unreliable and unstable. Nothing much has really changed.
> 
> If this is true, then I'd like to know what Atari did to MiNT to do this.
> MiNT only has a 10% CPU overhead at worst. Not many multi-tasking OS's can
> do that well.

Don't worry, it isn't true. I suspect that he was comparing apples and
oranges. No doubt OS/2 on a 50 Mhz 486 is faster than MultiTOS on an 8 Mhz
ST. But I suspect that given comparable hardware, MultiTOS is as fast or
faster.
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: Re: / man confusion.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 20:57:32 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


i will upload a version of nroff to atari archive that does deal with
fonts. i fear u may be using an old version of nroff (or macro package).
look for file "nroff12b.zoo" in atari.archive.umich.edu:~ftp/atarist/new
in the next day or two. note that this nroff is a reasonable subset of
unix nroff but it lacks some key features. nroff12b.zoo will be binary
only (with docs, macros, etc). basically what i use now.

you will also need manpager to view the formatted documents. i posted
a man program and someone else did as well (recently). u should be able
to set the PAGER environment variable to manpager and have it work. note
that this ONLY works with monochrome now (unless u make a set of fonts
for med rez and rebuild manpager - source for nroff, manpager, and man
has been posted).

i also understand that someone is finishing a port of GNU groff to the
ST. this should do everything (but then again it will undoubtedly be HUGE).
that's the basic tradeoff. i wrote nroff basically to handle manpages
and simple -ms documents (no tbl, eqn, pic, graph, etc). groff has all
of these.

-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
-- 
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Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
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