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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:23:03 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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> From:mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
>
> to those who read mostly mysteries....Please name your
> favorites.

My all-time favorite is Dorothy L. Sayers.  I enjoyed Elizabeth
Linington's books (those written under her own name and those she wrote as
Dell Shannon and Lesley Egan.)  Currently my favorites are Charlotte
MacLeod (who also writes as Alisa Craig), Joan Hess, Dorothy Simpson, John
Sherwood, and Robert Bernard.
ndh (who wishes she had a good new mystery to read instead of persuasive
writing papers)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family Tree
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I'm gonna have to study the tree for a while before passing judgment.
I'm still looking for Bernard on it.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:55:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      hated terms
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There are certain terms that have become so overused that I
have come to hate them, and to wince whenever they are used
at work (primarily).  It appears to have become a general
dislike, because at our staff meeting today, our group,
including my boss, began poking fun at one of the company
memos.  These hated terms are:

    1. proactive (this is definitely the A-number-1 horrifying
           term!)
    2. empowerment

Does anyone have any good synonyms for proactive (there, did you
see me wince, even writing it?)?  There are times when the
meaning of proactive (oops, there I go again) is what I want, but
I really refuse to use it.

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Morsel morceau

>Do you have a citation for this, Ausbrook?  Or a larger context?
>
>Karen

>What?  Asking for the source of a quote is confrontative [sic]???

It wasn't the request, it was the e-tone.  Nothing about it
suggested you liked it a bit.  And given the content of earlier
postings addressed to me, I assumed your curve of unpleasantness
was continuous.

Gary Morson is great.  A real song and dance man among the
critical/slavics set.  Good guy.  Read him and have your students
read him.

-Mka
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)

19) Maricopa (John Wm.)
        Hmmmmm.  Lemmee see...  I *think* I was referring to the name of the
county in which I reside, and/or the name of the college district that provides
me with my daily crust.  (A county larger than many states, some of them
combined, BTW.)  Named after an indian tribe - ooops, excuse me all to hell -
Native American tribe that was a linguistic subgroup of the larger Pima tribe.
What's interesting is that the Maricopas lived nowhere near here!  They were
a whole tribe to the south, by where Tucson is now, past the O'odam Tash
reservation.  The O'odam Tash used to be called the Papagos, but they didn't
like being called "bean eaters" so they unilaterally changed their official
name, and good for them!  (Every tribe calls itself something that translates
to "Us" or "The People" so most of our tribal names are what other tribes
called them, and as you can imagine it was rarely flattering!  The various
Apache tribes don't seem to mind still being called "The Enemy", though!)
Arizona itself is named after the Pima word 'arizoniac', a word meaning
"little spring", and they had that right...
20) Maurice Glen Williams (John Wm.)
        My father.  One-third of one of the most dysfunctional families to
ever come down the pike, but it wasn't all his fault...  He just turned 80
so there are days when I wish we had some genes in common, instead of nothing
other than a last name.  Sorry about the personal note, but I ought to be
able to get SOMETHING out of thousands of dollars worth of counseling!  8-)
24) "Neener-neener, neener!"  (John Wm.)
        Childish taunt.  Didn't I/we do this?  Oh, the Brain Cloud returns!
25) SVP (John Wm.)
        S'il vous plait - French for "if you please", as in RSVP...
A <native speaker> of French, one of our tutors here, in fact, complimented
me last week on my accent...I didn't have the heart to tell the poor woman
I couldn't speak it worth a lick...

JMW
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Thanatopsis

Fortunately, the listserver in its wisdom rejected the by-now
(pay later) famous no line post.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:24:53 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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>   I'd love to see how a professional like
> Natalie would go about doing it properly.

One of the best guides to methods of fieldwork in dialectology (which is
not exactly what we've been discussing but is close in ways) is still,
IMHO, Lee Pederson's LAGS-related book that came out long before LAGS
was anywhere close to being finished.  My brain is dead tonight.  I can't
even remember the title of the book, although it would be very easy to
find with a quick telnet hop to any library catalogue.  Oh -- LAGS=
Linguistic Atlas of the Gulf States.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:50:36 EDT
From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject: Re: internet gurus
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Dear gurus.  I would like help finding a list of bitnet/internet
or anynet addresses and sites so that when I travel in weird
places in Asia, India andAFrica, off the beaten track, I will
be able to acquire guest accounts and keep in touch.
Any ideas?  Marilyn
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:51:48 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Over-the-counter language
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> What I meant by prescribing the past is insisting on the past
> meaning of a word over what it has come to mean, e.g. gay.
> Prescribing a change--insisting that language change for one
> reason or another from some past usage, e.g. so-called gender
> neutral language.

Ok, I see what you're saying.  I put things like the push for gender-neutral
language more in the category of "Language Planning," although I realize
that's not exactly the usual use of that term.

On a totally different subject, do any of you still get the feeling of
awe and excitement that I sometimes still get from the e-world, even
though it's a large part of my everyday life?  Somebody in the cafeteria
while ago told me that he was using a shareware program called Ample Time
that he liked.  I just did a quick Archie search and found that it was
available at a site in Japan, so I ftp'ed there and had it back here
within seconds.  As I said, I still get turned on when I stop and think
about that kind of thing.  A program is now sitting on my computer that
wasn't sitting here five minutes ago -- it was sitting in Japan then.
Sorry -- I'm getting carried away.  Logging off now to play with new program
or *maybe* even to do some work.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:39:53 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Teaching....
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> >Prescriptivist Alert!  Prescriptivist Alert!   What is Jim saying here?
>
> Say it if you want to! Me, I don't generally point out these standard
> "mistakes". But MY reason is that it's bad manners to do that when the
> meaning is clear. On the same level as pointing to bad spelling, in fact.

You seem to have missed my point.  Of course Jim's meaning is clear.
He didn't make a "mistake."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:16:56 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Anglicizing

>Huh?  I asked a simple question and got hopelessly lost in the answer.
>I repeat the simple question:  Who says that it's wrong to anglicize
>pronunciations?

How can I answer this question sensibly? Some people. I thought they were
a common enough species.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:27:09 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Klennex
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:06:00 EDT, "Gilbert Smith" <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
 wrote:
> Sorry, these all sound like *foreigners*.... my family is All American.
> --ggs

So when did you change your family name from Tonkawa to Smith?
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:54:00 EST
From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Zen
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>> Having trouble with humor today?
>>
>> later
>>
>> alec

>A condition I'd think you would have no trouble identifying, or at least,
>empathizing with.

>-abh

I am so hurt. I may have to quit this list and find a nicer list like
alt.flame or alt.peeves.

later

the never humorous Alec Plotkin
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:57:24 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: The Wooster associative memory

I can't understand how anyone can say Bertie is not a mindless twit. Bertie
is definitely a prize chump. But he has a quality which compensates for such
trivial things as lack of intelligence. I wonder how many people have noticed
it. It is the Bertie Wooster associative memory.

It's out of the chaotic structure of the Wooster mind that all the gems of
Bertie's diction arise. All the quotations, poems, history, scriptures,
deposited there in his days through serving the grammar school sentence,
followed by Eton and finally good old Balliol spring up at odd times decorated
by garblings and anachronisms and set in a matrix of Wooster-speak and produce
the amazing burble-textured English which all the Drones speak. It's a pity
that Bertie can't make these fiery leaps of imagination when confronted with
real-world problems, but then he is a chump after all. They affect his speech,
though, and that's why we are swept off our feet when he holds forth.

Now Jeeves on the other hand might be a dashed intelligent cove suffering
from elephantiasis of the brain, but he only speaks Times. That's why he
too is dependent on Bertie (apart from liking Bertie and getting enough
opportunities to exercise the grey cells, that is). But just that Jeeves
is dependent on Bertie does not mean that Bertie is not a chump. He is one,
in the truest and most profound sense of the word.

tushar
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:26:00 MST
From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (59)

This post will probably follow my two previous into the Memory Hole, but,
what the heck...
3) ER (John Wm.)
        Emergency Room.  M*A*S*H for civilians, and where you find yourself
at 3 am on a Sunday morning amid a 3-day holiday when the friend of a friend
attempts to single-handedly corner the world's chamblis supply without wearing
her William Holden Drinking Helmet [pat pend].  Mucho sangre...also not what
I have in mind when an attractive woman asks if I'd like to play doctor...
8) Whiteout (John Wm.)
        Trade name of a variety of Liquid Paper, which I wish *MY* mother had
invented, instead of Michael Naismith's...  Also a surefire way of telling
if an <ethnic> has been using your word-processor.
Okay, here goes...
(crossed fingers and ^Z)

JMW
{Going mad and to lunch simultaneously}
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:53:29 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Bertie Wooster 2
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Posted on 9 Sep 1992 at 18:33:28 by tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
>No. Although there is nothing to prevent that a priori, one has only to
>read a book to know that those characters do have something in common
>with human beings.

So how do you know that Martians don't????
<{
Karen
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:58:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
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Subject:      Yah! Bill's back!

Hi Bill! Yeh, we missed you (hug, smooch). Great "self-test for
radical chic" card--terribly funny, and I sent it to bwp. Great
Irish whiskey card as well. *Those* were the good old days....
give us lots of details on what you're doing!!!

Jim (Who know Bill is *really* a clintonite at heart) Thomas
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From: maya@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: SEX ID
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:15:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>Sorry, I no longer date men who are younger than
>my own children...
>
>judith

	Did you used to?
	When your children were younger?

-maya
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:42:26 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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6co2+6h2o yields c6h12o6+6o2.  Photosynthesis.  7th grade.  Remembering
that has been of great value to me in life.  (I think I've mentioned this
before on the list.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:24:26 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Family Tree
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Paul,
 My long term memory is getting better than my short term memory as each
day passes, and I remember your <promising> to tell me a tale about an
experience with phones in the classroom.  You never did.  You owe me.
Start remembering.  Then both of us can honestly say that we are dong
schoolwork while we are, instead, socializing on the nets.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:30:28 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Plumbing Woes
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> 	Gee, Natalie, I didn't know you wanted to take over the ownership of
> 	STATLG-L.  I hope you'll let me stay on as a co-owner.

Sure.  You can stay on.

> 	Ohhhh, you meant that job where she gets *paid*??  Never mind...

Both.  Nobody will have to know that I don't know anything.  I'll set up
some kind of direct link with Frank Peters so that he can give me all the
computer knowledge I need.

>[I can vouch for the niceness of house and neighborhood (and the current owner,
> for that matter), but I doubt that Natalie (or I) would find the price <low>.]

How about Ann and I trade even, but I'll pay in advance for somebody to take
care of all the broken plumbing and yardwork for my house (the Starkville
one, I mean) for the next five years.  After five years we'll renegotiate.
She can't have Bernard, though.  He goes to R.I. with me.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:38:00 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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Posted on 7 Sep 1992 at 11:58:14 by torkel@SICS.SE
>  Right. Ladies, in Bertie's world, only have maids or butlers.

Yes.  I could use both.

>  In the sense that Jeeves is funny and interesting only through his tie to
>Bertie Wooster.

Okay, I'll buy this.  But...why is Bertie not a mindless twit?  He would
certainly be more of one w/ out Jeeves, but he definitely still is one!

Karen
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Posted on 9 Sep 1992 at 15:31:43 by mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
>favorites.  Has anyone tried Aaron Elkins..e.g. Old
>Bones, whose detective Gideon Oliver is a forensic
>Anthropologist? MG

Yes, I've read those.  I have another one about a female
character who does similar work--I think it's just called Bones.
It is currently on my bedroom floor, so I can actually find this
one on one of my brief visits home.  I also like the Patricia
Cornwell ones for the same reason, although her hero is a female
medical examiner.

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:15:36 EDT
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Comments:     Originally-From: Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
From:         GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      RE: Story to make ABH wanna marry me #2
              11, 92 6:48 am

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Subj:	Story to make ABH wanna marry me #2
>
> Rich, my darling,
>
> Let's name the first child Rita.
>
> -abh

	"I think I'm gonna hurl."
Rita
----------------------------------------------
please do, in the direction of ...hh

JAG
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 11:36:47 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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> Does huckle-bone count or do the meanings of 'huckle' have to be
> the same in both cases?

For it to be a morpheme, the meaning has to be stable.  What's a huckle-
bone?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Farming and hunting

>> Farming is what the pimps do; hunting the johns.
>
>Don't you mean hunting FOR a john...? especially in the old days...at
>harvest time...

Do you mean kind of the agricultural equivalent of dishwater
diarrhoea.

-Mka
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
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	is better.  If people define "disinterested" as "uninterested" or
	"apathetic," that's most likely how they use the word.

I thought you were a lecturer.  Haven't you noticed the sheep effect?
I remember in my Dutch class that our teacher would ask someone how
to phrase some construct.  They'd answer.  She'd nod.  She'd go on
to ask every other student who would give a similar answer.  Only after
she'd heard them all did she say they were all wrong.  And say that it
was something so basic no-one should have got it wrong.  In fact, if
you pressed most of the people who answered they'd tell you they weren't
really sure, but the teacher hadn't contradicted the first student so
they assumed that style of answer was acceptable.  If they had been
asked the question on their own they would probably have tilted their
balances in favour of the correct answer.  Would Jim's students all have
defined disinterested wrongly if they'd done it silently on paper?

Anyway, your suggestion is to present them with examples to be judged
as normal or otherwise.  Examples of *both* words or just disinterested?
If just disinterested, as I already explained it is sufficiently close
to the correct word that recall will find the meaning of uninterested
because it is a more common word.  (Since we're quoting sources for
good experimental practice, I can recommend 'Human cognitive neuropsychology'
by Ellis & Young with which I'm very well aquainted).  If both, on the
other hand, then what exactly was your reason for saying that Jim's
use of only disinterested was better?

G
PS I suppose we could sample the two years worth of Reuters that's
available for research, and the Brown corpus, but you'd probably exclude
them from the sample as you excluded your lunchtime companions because
they know how to write?
PPS on a prescriptivist elitist tack for a few moments: isn't it
rather worrying that Jim's university-level sociology class *don't*
know the meaning of disinterested?  I wonder if Bill would mind joining
in this test with his students over here? ... :)
From: rita@EFF.ORG (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
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Date: 13 Sep 92 15:46:49 GMT
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              92 5:04 pm

> OK, 'fess up - who else is now skipping these unread?

	I'm reading every word.  And I've seen them before.
Relax, Graham.  There's room enough on this list for a
little wit and prescriptivism/descriptivism battles both.
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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If this turns out to be merely recycled talk.bizarre schtick we're
not going to be impressed & Abh isn't going to marry you...

G
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Subject:      Re: New
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>No, this is WORDS-L, where words collide.  It just resembles an any
>topic discussion list.


Steve! Good to see you back!

-abh
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Anglicizing

>I have always wondered why it is wrong to do that now. What is the
>argument against taking an English sounding word nearest to a foreign
>name? In other words, why kill ourselves trying to pronounce a word
>"exactly"?
>
>tushar

We know it's hard for the differently-abled, Tushar.  But keep at
it.  Persistence is the key.  Look at all the progress you've
already made.

-Mka
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