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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Am i going crazy, ruined characters, and the good ol days
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:19:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep1.165038.21399@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Take years of patient character development and completely
>ignore it. Write hack stereotype one dimensional stories.
>Get really bad artists. And what you produce is nothing
>like the original.

>Put it a different way: imagine Danielle Steel or Steven King
>writing the sequel to Hamlet :) Hamlet would stand up as a 
>work of art, and the sequel would ruin everything the first
>did.

Yeah. Imagine what would happen if someone tried to write
a sequel to _Gone With the Wind_  I-)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
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From: clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark)
Subject: Re: Excalibur
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 07:05:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler) writes:

>In article <BtrBLo.9CJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
>writes:
>> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>> 
>> >Gosh, right after i post a mild gripe about Davis' writing, he comes back
>> >with something like the new issue of Excalibur.  THIS is what an X-Book is
>> >supposed to be.  A sense of history.  Character development/realistic
>> >interaction.  Sub-plots from years ago coming back unexpectedly.  I love
>> >it.  I'm still not real pleased with Farmer's inks, though, even though
>> >this issue was quite a bit above standard Marvel fare.
>> 
>> Is it really that good?  I might actually pick up an issue (after all,
>> they do have Night Crawler and Kitty, to of my old faves.
>> -Vincent

>  This issue was good, but I can't believe they actually killed Alistair's
>sister, the Brigadier, off!  This issue also left me to believe that both Kurt
>and Meggan are dead too!  (Tell me they were tranquilized.)  This issues sets up
>for a pretty exciting next few issues if anyone is left alive.  I like
>Psylocke's persona much better here than in _X-Men_.  I think someone has been
>reading _Hell's Angel_ to get a good idea on how to write Psylocke's character.
>I haven't seen this much insight to Psylocke since the _Captain Britain_ graphic
>novel.  If it were up to me, I'd leave Psylocke in Excalibur, after all, they no
>longer have a telepath. (Just a thought)  The only thing I didn't like was the
>fact that there is another Sat yr 9.  Won't they let the cross-time caper rest? 
>It's too bad they had to bring that back to create a more readable story.  

>Mike B (not Mikel B)

**spoilers**

I think we're going to have some more 'live' dead people by the end of the
next issue.  At least I hope so.

I think they're clearing out some danglers...with a story instead of with
a hacksaw which is how the X-Men word processors (sorry...I just can't
bring myself to call them writers these days) are doing it.

It's about time they move forward, and it looks like Davis is out there
pushing.

Sue
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue fans want to Absorb Knowledge
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:44:37 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Oh, JOY! More Rogue questions!

In article <1992Sep2.225612.18030@infonode.ingr.com> wcw@wegl.b24a.ingr.com (William Wallace) writes:
>I can't believe everyone else has forgotten this, but Rogue has
>used her ability to absorb other powers once since passing through
>the Seige Perilous.
>
>It was in the Savage Land story around issue 275 of Uncanny X-Men,
>when she, Magneto, and Nick Fury were fighting Zaladanes forces.
>Toward the end of the story, Rogue absorbs Wyrm's (sic) abilities
>so that she can control all the people he coated with his membrane
>and order them to stop fighting.

And right you are. A tip of the white-bordered RFC Glove of Knowledge to you,
friend. Rogue did use her absorbing powers then, and the main reason I forgot
about it was that it wasn't "in panel," but behind the scenes (and I just
checked with the Concordance, and it agreed with this).

>As to the stregth of Ms. Marvel, in two of the later issues of her
>title (new costume, vs. Lizard Civilization) Ms. Marvel was ripping
>turrets off of tanks.  This seems pretty consistent with Class 30
>strength levels.

Ah, yes, the Lizard Civilization. You know, there's bound to be a good reason
why I forgot them... :-). In any case, yes, tearing turrets off tanks is
certainly higher than Spidey's (or Mar-Vell's) Class 10 strength.

I forget -- was Vosberg the artist on those late runs of MM, or am I just
getting confused with my early She-Hulks?

In any case, thanks for setting things straight.
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Marvel Girl/Woman
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:25:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <67160@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:

>I noticed in the new Infinity Wars that someone referred to Jean Grey as
>'Marvel Woman.'  Is this the first time this has been used?  I guess all 
>the writers just get tired of calling her 'Jean Grey,' and 'Marvel Girl'
>just sounds to juvenile (even though i prefer it to 'Woman').  Any thoughts?

I noticed this too, and wondered when the change happened. 
I do think 'Marvel Girl' sounds juvenile and silly. Unfortunately,
'Marvel Woman' sounds somewhat more mature and stupid. I think she
needs a better name.

>Also, the stuff that the telepaths were attempting to do was said to have
>been done before, some time in the past.  I can only figure that this is
>a reference to (Uncanny) X-Men, circa #65, when Professor X linked the minds
>of all the happy people on the earth to repulse the attack by the Z'nox, or
>whatever.  Is this really what they're referring to?  (If so, put the writer
>on an X-book NOW, because he has a better grasp on the X-Men than anyone
>writing them now.)

The reference is to #65 (the Z'nox).  Aside from the professor's strength/lack
thereof, let's just say that they were in a distant dimension, God-only-knows-
how-many lightyears from Earth...

And the odds of Jim Starlin writing the Xmen on a regular basis are right up
there with those of Wolverine being killed in the latest X-over. I-)
Seriously, I would recommend his Warlock series (reprints and the Infinity
Watch). Both are great books! As well as the defunct Dreadstar. And, now
that I think about it, just about anything else he has written...

But I think I'm rambling....
					James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
From: shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Brigadier Stuart's name
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:15:41 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

why is her name AlysDANE these days? i know it was AlysANDE for quite some
time...
-r.



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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Rogue's Hair
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:07:17 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Oh, JOY! Rogue questions!!

The issues you were worrying about were X-Men #171 and 172. Or, sorry,
*UNCANNY* X-Men #'s 171-172.

As to why the change -- she changed her hair style. Although I cringe
at the thought of the amount of bleach needed to whiten hair that can
shrug off napalm.

But all in all not nearly as shocking a coif change as the dreaded
"Phyllis Diller" look that caught the Rogue Fan Club completely unamused
in UX #193.
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Excalibur #55 ***SPOILERS***
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:04:39 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

You wuz warned...


My, my, my, my, my...

Well, talk about dangling plotlines coming home to roost...
(1) It is now confirmed that "Courtney Ross" has been Sat-yr-9.
    Of course, this opens the question of how she got away from
    Captain UK (Linda McQuillan) [see Capt. Brit. trade paperback].
(2) However, it is not yet clear what happened to the real Courtney,
    though I continue to suspect that she's dead.
(3) Heeeee's baaaaack...Jamie Braddock has returned, and according
    to the letters page, Vixen will be back next ish as well.
I continue to be amazed at the pace at which Davis is closing up loose
ends.

Now, as for the killings...
(a) It doesn't look good for Alysdane Stewart...the only way she'll live
    is if Jamie brings her back, assuming he's capable of that.
(b) Kurt - if that was just tranquilzers, he'll be ok, otherwise he'll be
    seriously wounded (again), but it's unclear if he's dead or not.
(c) Meggan - not looking good at all...she was shot in the head, and I'm sure
    that Sat-yr-9 instructed her henchpeople to kill Meggan, as Meggan is a
    romantic rival.
Again, who actually dies depends on exactly what Jamie can and wants to do.
However, my guess is that Alysdane and Meggan are dead for good :( and Kurt
and the rest are just injured to various degrees.

Guess we'll have to wait for #56 to find out more....

-- 
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Hellions ( Re: What happened) ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:24:38 GMT

In article <184asnINN31s@maico.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu () writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep3.042156.15251@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>>Now the curious thing about this is that I could have sworn that Empath
>>died in the UX issue that the rest of the Hellions died. Mayve Fabian
>>forgot to check up on something.
>
>If I remember correctly, Empath DID survive.  His quote was that he could no 
>longer "feel" the White Queen when SHE died.  But I can't recall his actually 
>having died himself.  (Then again, I COULD be wrong...)

Okay, I think this is what it boils down to:

   1) Did anyone actually SEE any of the Hellions escape from Fitzroy in the
      first part of UX-Men, the story where Emma dies, etc.?  If not, then 
      we can posit that they were all captured.
   2) Did anyone actually SEE Empath die "onscreen"?  If not, then we can 
      posit that he might have escaped.

Of course, there's always:
   3) If no one saw 1) or 2) above, then it's possible that Empath was never
      captured in the first place, but his escape wasn't shown.  I remember
      his line about not being able to sense Emma, but we never actually 
      saw him get away, to the best of my knowledge.  If neither 1) nor 2) is
      true, then it could go either way:  Empath could've gotten away, either 
      at the Hellfire Club or at Fitzroy's hideout, or he could've been killed
      with the other "presumed dead" Hellions.  This also, however, leaves the
      table open for those Hellions we didn't see die to still be alive.
      Does anyone have a definite list of those who died "onscreen"?

The main problem with trying to compose a bodycount when dealing with Marvel
is that they tend to ignore deaths that don't occur "onscreen" as I like to 
put it:  If you didn't actually see the character die, then odds are that 
they will be brought back when and if somebody needs them for a story.  The
exceptions to this rule have been major characters, like Doc Doom, Kang, and
(of course) Jean Grey and Warlock.  I seem to recall someone writing in about
just such a death to ask if the character was dead, and the response was, 
"Did you see him die?"  DC has been known to do this occasionally, but not
as often.  IMO, it just confuses things, but hey, the "mysterious death"
clause goes waaay back in the villains' contracts (all the way back to the
'30s serials, when it applied to heroes, as well:)).

The Walrus
From: holland@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Any dutch fans outthere
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:13:56 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

See subject,
are there mre poor ducth fans out there,
who cannot afford the US-prints ?

Just curios

	Gerhard,
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holland@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl ='\<,  ='\<,\<,  spinning round and round my brain
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[Soory for all spelling mistakes] 	       		is driving me insane
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:13:14 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Chris Nasipak (v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: A few years ago, I gave up on comics in general, and having only recently
: returned to the fold, I am left wondering about the fates of certain
: characters:
: 
: Illyana Rasputin

This character was *RUINED* by Loiuse Simonson, when she was searching for
a plot.

: Danielle Moonstar

This character was also *RUINED* by Simonson, the worst writer ever
in comics. 

: Rachel Summers

Fate? How can you know where she's going if you dont know where she's
been? Last seen having her character ruined in Excalibur :)

: Magneto

Let's see... is he a good guy or a bad guy this week?

: The Hellions

Hmmm.... I think Simonson was shot before she could ruin them. She tried!
Last seen: well... who knows?

Scott
From: alang@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:51:05 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <Btuz70.9BC@monitor.com> howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner) writes:
>Jerry B. Ray writes
>> In article <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu  
>(Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>> >: Danielle Moonstar
>> >
>> >This character was also *RUINED* by Simonson, the worst writer ever
>> >in comics. 
>> 
>> Y'know, i replied to the original poster of this thread by e-mail, and  
>said
>> that what ruined Dani for me was when her powers were altered so that  
>she 
>> could make her 'wishes' reality.  I thought that this was just totally 
>> pulled out of the blue.  However, i recently bought and read NM #3, in  
>which
>> the Brood-influenced Prof X used his powers to augment Dani's, to the  
>point
>> that she was able to create and maintain a BUNCH of 'real illusions' all  
>at
>> once.  If this power was developed further, she could have been quite 
>> powerful.  I wonder why this was never picked up on again until the
>> Simonson issues, and then only in a really watered down form (if i  
>remember
>> correctly).  Any ideas?
>> 
>> JRjr
>
>Along the lines of forgotten NM's, whatever happened to Karma?  Last i  
>remembered she was still looking for her brother (i think).

 Karma played a fairly large role in Wolverine's Madripoor saga. I don't know
what she's been up to lately though. Those Wolvie bi-weekly issues forced me
to cancel the title.

Tony  
UTSA
Spurs
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Latest Xmen and their Letter page
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:44:16 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>Marvel really does only print the letters from people who 
>>kiss up!  I ought to write one dripping with sarcasm and 
>>see if they will print it...  In fact if any of you out there
>>decide to send one in and it DOES get printed... Please let
>>me in on the joke! You'll be able to tell mine, cuz if you
>>lick it, it will be sticky sweet goo!
> Except that Bob Harras will use his Mutant (tm) Ability 'Detect Sarcasm' (tm)
> on your letter, and it will never be printed!

	AAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!  CURSES FOILED AGAIN!!!

>>P.S.  What was the point for the last two issues of the 
>>Xmen???  What a completely USELESS plot!  It went NOWHERE
>>and Nothing happened...
> Probably a three or four issue plot got skewered by an impending crossover
> halfway through.  My guess would be that FN found out the issue numbers for
> the x-over after Thibert was substantially finished with the first issue's
> art, so they had to finish the plotline the next issue 'cuz they had no 
> inventory stories in reserve (Claremont was on the book so long that they
> never bought any).  But that's *pure* speculation...

	To tell you the truth I had that impression.  I felt like they must 
have forgotten about the crossover deal and the "oops!"  Had to kill the 
storyline in the middle...
						wReam...
P.S.  I still think I am going to write a letter and use my mutant ability
"Hide Sarcasm" (tm) (just got it, you ought to pick one up too, except it
does make it difficult on the nets... People tend to take you seriously! )
to make a cutsey letter that hopefully they cannot pass by!  I'll post it
if it get printed!! :)
From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:06:44 GMT

In article <Bttr91.Gyz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>
>>: The Hellions
>>
>>Hmmm.... I think Simonson was shot before she could ruin them. She tried!
>>Last seen: well... who knows?
>
>They had their life-energies absorbed around Uncanny 282 (3? 4?), to create
>time-travel portals.  This was the same issue that introduced Bishop.

Not a fair trade, if you ask me. :)

The Walrus
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Green Blobs in Wolvie
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:29:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19895
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Aug26.133242.25881@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu
(Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Hamma is pretty good. The art ***STINKS*** -- what is that green BLOB
>in the past few issues?! Did Hamma have to create a character that
>the hacks could squiggle out or what!?!

No, Scott, Hama didn't even write those issues. The Green Blob in Question
is Terror, from Terror, Inc., Chichester's refugee from Marvel's imploded
Power Line universe (or whatever it was called). DGChichester wrote the
Wolvie issues in question, too, if you'd bothered to look.

NOTICE:  Being miles away from any form of comic book, let alone a mutant
one, I may have mispelled Chichester's last name. Obessa cantauit.

>This is probably *THE* most-asked question of all time in comics!

--and the answer is "One hour."

feed your local cannibals...
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: History of the X-Men
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:02:11 GMT

 (JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
: I've been getting more and more hooked on X-Men and other relate X-books this
: past year.  

I feel sorry for you, since the best is OVER.

:I understand the basic principle of the books, but is there a
: place where I can get at least some of the history of the X-Men, so I can say
: "Aaaaaah" in places in the books where I used to say "Huh?" when they referred
: to something that happened in the past?  This really bugs me sometimes 'cos
: it's like reading a book by starting in the middle.  Thanks in advance.

Why sould *you* worry about history when the people *writing* the
book don't? :^)

Scott

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: The Latest Xmen and their Letter page
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 10:15:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.204416.58448@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>>>P.S.  What was the point for the last two issues of the 
>>>Xmen???  What a completely USELESS plot!  It went NOWHERE
>>>and Nothing happened...
>> Probably a three or four issue plot got skewered by an impending crossover
>> halfway through.  My guess would be that FN found out the issue numbers for
>> the x-over after Thibert was substantially finished with the first issue's
>> art, so they had to finish the plotline the next issue 'cuz they had no 
>> inventory stories in reserve (Claremont was on the book so long that they
>> never bought any).  But that's *pure* speculation...
>
>	To tell you the truth I had that impression.  I felt like they must 
>have forgotten about the crossover deal and the "oops!"  Had to kill the 
>storyline in the middle...
>						wReam...
Funnily enough, I had a similar impression about the latest X-Factor. It
looks like an interesting plot is going to have to make way for the
latest Big Guns And Mutants crossover. Hopefully PAD (and Nicieaza) will
resolve their respective plots soon afterwards.

Mike


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From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: Re: Prof.X, his school, and higher education
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:12:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.170832.13180@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>In article <92232.131615ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>     It seems that the smartest X-man is Hank McCoy (Beast).
>
>In raw intellect, I'd have to go with Kitty. When she gets to be Hank's
>age, she'll be twice the brain he is (and cuter).

  Excuse me?  Kitty?  *AGE*??

  This *is* Marvel time we're talking about, here.

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

(Oh!  You must have been referring to some prospective time travel
storyline.  Never mind.)