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From: comfrank@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Frank Tutzauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49er/Bills
Summary: Great game--hats off to the Bills
Keywords: Offense, oFfense, ofFense, offEnse, offeNse, offenSe, offensE
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Sep15.053641.19459@sco.com>, timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle) writes...

>... 
>Okay, here's a "what if" that occured in my alternate Niner-fan universe:
>with about a minute left, the 49ers convert a 4th-and-9 from the Bills
>29 on a crossing pattern to Odessa Turner.  On 1st-and-10 from the 18,
>the Bills blitz and sack a scrambling Young on the 22.  But Young lines
>'em up fast and gives it to Watters on a draw, who dances into the endzone
>for a touchdown.  Cofer Kick.  Niners lead 38-34.
> 
>Niners squib kick and the Bills start on their own 37 with 10 seconds
>remaining.  Lofton catches one over the middle for 19 yards to the
>49er 44.  Bills Time out.  On the next play Harris buries Kelly and
>his pass to Beebe goes incomplete (Harris walks back to the line casually,
>picking his nose with an extended index finger...).  On the last play of
>the game, Kelly unloads it for a Hail Mary into the endzone, and rookie
>Dana Hall (after receiving smelling salts on the sideline) puts a vicious
>hit on Reed to knock the ball loose.  Game over.
> ...

Actually, I really like your "what if" game.  It would have made an
exciting game even better.  In fact, I believe it is the exact same
as mine, except in the alternate Bills-fan universe, Reed makes the catch.
Christie kick.  Bills win 41-38.  ;-)
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From: mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Tissandier)
Subject: Re: Mo. Carthon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.122416.16831@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monas
h.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
>
>Can anyone tell mem the status of Maurice Carthon? (Fullback for the
>giants). Of the 1 hr highlights we got over here in Oz on the SF/NY game,
>i did see him at all. Is he still with the team???

I believe he's with the Colts now.....

            -Mike

                  mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: kehoe0841@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bengals schedule ??????
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:07:38 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I am new to usenet and news and am not sure if I am doing this correctly but
here goes.

   I will be in Cincinatti (sp?) on Sunday October 18th.  I have been a bengals
fan for years but have never had the opportunity to see a game in person.
(being from a small town in Iowa).

I am  wondering:
   1) How can I find out if they are going to be playing at home
   2) If they are at home how could I get ticket info (price, availability,
      etc...)

I really would appreciate any and all help given. Thanks and if I sound new to
the newsgroup it is only because I am.

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Ryan S. Kehoe                          Only the good die young!
Kehoe0841.iscsvax.uni.edu                            - Billy Joel
Cedar Falls, Iowa
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lion Special Teams beat Vikes
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:39:37 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <20305@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:

   A blocked field goalreturned for a TD and another missed one +
   a fumble which broke the Vikes' back resulted in the Vikes
   beating themselves, inspite of the Minnesota defence shuting
   out Sanders.

Nothing like giving credit to the competition, is there?

   Actually, the Minnesota offence looked better than the Lions
   but u cannot win when u beat urself.

Just keep saying that.  Maybe people will believe it.  The real question, if
you want to *try* and compare teams (offences) in a game like this, is to
compare the offensive efficiencies, since the Lions offence was robbed of
several posessions.  I was going to do that this morning, but didn't get the
chance.  Anybody taken a look at it?

Bill
--
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	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Kill Cofer, get Blanchard.
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:41:51 GMT

From article <1992Sep14.195559.13369@a.cs.okstate.edu>, by cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA):
> Yeah Cofer has been to unpredictable and downright undependable
> to keep.  
> 
> I know the perfect replacement for him.  The Saints had a guy kicking
> for Morten Anderson in the pre-season that was hitting their 
> field goals.  But, with Anderson healthy they don't need him.
> 
> He was moderately impressive when given the chance with the Saints,
> but he really showed in the WAFL where he won the WAFL championship
> with a long field goal.  
> 
> Carey Blanchard.  Somebody tell Seifert.
> 
> Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
> ps. peace

Does anyone out there know what WAFL stands for?  I know about the
NFL(National Football League), the USFL(United States Football League),
the CFL(Canadian Football League), and the WLAF(World League of American
Football), but this WAFL is a complete mystery to me.  Does this have
something to do with the old AFL?  Is this, perhaps, Arena Football?  I
am assuming that the FL in WAFL stands for Football League, but the WA
part stumps me...Wild American Football League is the best I can think
of.

	
						- Tim
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: Giants: 5-11
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:46:41 GMT

In article <18le8jINN496@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto) writes:
>From: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
>Subject: Giants: 5-11
>Date: 9 Sep 1992 18:02:59 GMT


>I was at that...embrrassment...at the Meadowlands on Sunday.  The impression
>I came away with, and everyone around agreed, was that this is the first
>time since the late 1970's that there's no hope.  Age has caught up with
>the Giants, 

Agreed, we need some new defense, the 10 year old Giant defense plan cant 
be reworked in 5-6 weeks.  Is this the old "cant teach old dog new tricks"
thing here.  The defensive leadership is there, I think we need a few key 
players to execute.

>and the coaching staff is abysmal.  
OK, so in the city of pillage, this quiet man cannot excite our 
players.  No new plays, no fakes, no attemting a deep pass.  All bad.  
NYG used to be EXCITING to watch.  I cant argue.

more flames deleted here....

>Handley's got to go.  Rust and Fassel as well.  
>(and, as an aside, so does the new owner, Tisch.  Cheapest bastyard in the
>NFL.  Last year, he makes the season ticket holders buy preseason tickets; 
>I guess 16 straight years of sellouts wasn't enough for him.  And Sunday, 
>for the first time I can remember, and I've been going since 1976, no halftime
>show.  Not even the usual cheapo high-school band.  Guess Ticsh couldn't
>come upwith $500 or so to pay the kids...)

>So, 5-11.  Maybe 6-10 if they sweep Phoenix.

I looked at the schedule and came up with about the same asessment:
Dallas and Philly 2x are gonna hurt

Washington looked almost as bad as the Giants sunday
but I think it was because Dallas looked so good.

Stay the course.  we may be a few years into rebuilding. We all want that 
superbowl team!

Lets see if there are any changes for the Dallas game.

As Always,
GO GIANTS!!!!!!

Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  
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From: anant@watson.ibm.com (Anant Jhingran)
Subject: Buufalo/9er game in the NJ/Philly area?
Summary: Any idea if Philadelhia's NBC station will cover it
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:19:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: NY, NJ, TV schedule

Being an avid 9er fan in Giants/Jets territory, and getting
only two games a week (those damn rules about not showing a game
opposite the home team) leaves me with only four possibilites for
watching other interesting games (hopefully involving 9ers):

(a) Have Giants/Jets play them (luckily that is happening this yr)
(b) Have Giants/Jets play Sunday night/Monday night/Thursday, so
that a Sunday slot is open
(c) Have 9ers play on these special nights (not much of that this
year, I see)
(d) Go to NJ to watch the Philadelhia stations

Which brings me to a specific question:
(a) Any idea if the NBC station of Philadelphia is carrying the
Buffalo/9ers game?
and to a more general question:
(b) Any person has the TV schedule of WNBC and WCBS (the NY stations)
so that I know when not to expect the 9er game at least.

thanks,
/anant



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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: Joe Montana and other QB's
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 12:50:55 GMT

	Personally I hope that if Joe Montana is healthy he comes back, but
if not that he retires while still reasonably whole and enjoy's whatever the
future holds. 
	I bear no malice towards the 49'ers, no grudges for the drubbings
that inflected on my cowboys during the 80's (yes even Dwight Clark's catch).
But Joe is 36 (+/- a year) even fully healthy he has at most 2 -3 years. Why
doesn't S.F move on. I remember when Roger Staubach retired, people in Big D
were bummed, then the cowboys continued to try and hang in their with the
same old plan that made them a top team from the mid 60's till earlt 80's
(and we all now the result of the late 80's).

	All good things must come to an end and be restarted. Whether or
Not Joe m. can ever play again Life and the NFL will go on, a new qb/team
will emerge in the 90's to challenge the supremecy of (chose one :)
60 packers/starr - 70 steelers/bradshaw - 80 49'ers/montana.

	Let's just live with what memories we have, hope for more, and
look forward to new legends.

	Enough rambling, it's 08:00 Dallas time, pregame starts in a couple
hours, my family is waiting, and I've had enough work for 1 day.

	FOOTBALL - FOOTBALL - FOOTBALL.

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From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Neal Anderson
Summary: great player
Keywords: is the best
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:07:11 GMT

You have got to  be kidding!  Play Lewis instead of a star like
Anderson?  What a load of rubbish.  Now -- let's see.  Neal had such a
horrible game : 52 yrds rushing and 32 yards receiving?

I shudder at the thought of the Bears without Neal.  Anderson has been
the heart and soul of their offense for 5 years and now you are dumping
on him?  What is your problem!

Go Bears!

-- 
Eric Clapton is God!
Mike Singletary, Walter Payton and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity
______________________________________________________________________ 
Richard Scott (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au)
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo television\
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:52:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

In article CLs@acsu.buffalo.edu, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>The question I have is : Is Buffalo the only city that doesn't broadcast,
>football, Basketball, etc. unless the city's team is playing?

It has to do with the NFL TV contract.  If you are within a certain distance of an
NFL city you cannot show a game along with the home team game nor can you show one
opposite the home team's game.  This happened all the time in Denver.  I don't know 
what happens if the game is not sold out, I know you don't get to see the home teams
game but I don't know if you would get a double header or what.  Oh yeah if your home
team is away then you can have a double header.

You think that is bad, here in Grand Rapids the NBC station was to carry the Chiefs
vs Chargers game.  But the local station 'WOOD' didn't think that the people would
want to see that game, especially opposite the Lions game.  They wanted to show the
Browns/Colts game.  So guess what, since NBC didn't want to give it to them they just 
didn't show ANY game!  We get to see some dickweed fishing show and a couple of
movies instead of an opening day AFC game.  What a joke!

nate


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From: callum-rob@CS.YALE.EDU (Rob Callum)
Subject: Re: Jets-Atlanta / Instant reply
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:22:25 GMT

>
>I thought Browning Nagle handled himself very well in his first outing.
>Granted he made some rookie mistakes, but he also showed the poise of
>a veteran as well. I think the Jets have a bright future with him as
>their QB.
>
	Yeah, and with Jason Staurvosky as kicker nobody will be able to stop
them.

-- 
If I could do one thing                                     Rob Callum
I would try to write and sing              callum@minerva.cis.yale.edu
A song that ends your questioning
And makes you believe in me.         --Dan Fogelberg
From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC West (was Re: 1992 NFL Predictions)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 02:36:55 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

In article <MefGXDC00UhW47Sw4e@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Pissing in the wind?  That's what these bboards are for!
>
>Let me defend myself.  The Falcons are a perenially good team.  They
>always seem to win the games they're not supposed to win and beat the

   Here's the Falcons regular season record for 1981-1990 
   (1989 is missing, I have an outdated almanac, but it was a losing record)
   1981   7-9
   1982	  5-4 *
   1983   7-9
   1984   4-12
   1985   4-12
   1986	  7-8-1
   1987   3-12
   1988   5-11
   1989
   1990   5-11

   (* strike-shortened season)

Ummm, looks like perennial loser to me. If they "always won games
they were not supposed to win" then there were very few games that
they were supposed to win.

>teams they're not supposed to beat.  How do they do it?  I don't have a
>clue, but they did beat the Jets.  Not having seen anything about that

Try shitty officiating and bad kicking by the Jets.

>game, I'll take what you say on faith, but I think the Falcons will do
>well.  As for the referee calls, let's bring instant replay back!  That

 
>The knowledgeable observer
>  Erik Witte

Ashu Rege

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From: dpm@liberty.b29.ingr.com (David Mikesell)
Subject: Steelers 2-0 (and some other things)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:24:25 GMT

I only saw the highlights on Primetime and the box score, but here are
my reflections on the Steelers win over the Jets.

Barry Foster is finally getting the ball like he should.  The fumbling 
does worry me, though.  297 yards in two games against 2 pretty good D's.

Jeff Graham is proving to be a big time receiver now that he is out of
Noll's doghouse.  (Didn't I say that last week, too?)

Steeler defense appears to be a big play defense, at least as far as 
getting turnovers.  I saw that they only had 1 sack - did they pressure 
the Jet QB's at all?  Looks like the Jets ran the ball fairly well.  That
could be trouble playing the Chargers next week.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the 2-0 start, especially considering the
competition (2 playoff teams from '91).  I see that they are underdogs again
this week against S.D.  Somehow, I think they like that role.  It looks like
Cowher has been an excellent motivator.  I'm trying to guard against over-
confidence, but if they win a couple more here to start with, they are going
to downright spoil me!  

Other reflections:

	Deion.

	I was glad to see the Vikes go down hard.  Dennis Green was being 
canonized by the press after a good preseason (that's PREseason) and a win
over Green Blow.

	While they've only beaten two weak teams at home, it is good to see
Tampa Bay succeeding with Wyche.  That may end when they go on the road, but
we'll see.  (Looooooove them orange pants!)

	Don't look now but the Bengals are 2-0 (and it's an even year).

	Deion.

Are the "QB controversies" in N.Y. and S.F. going to be the top story on
the pregame shows all year this year too?  It gets a little tired after a 
while.  Believe it or not, there are a lot of football fans in this country
who really don't care whether Simms or Hostetler guides the catatonic Giants
offense.

	Good win for Buffalo.  I thought they were meat at halftime but they
showed a lot of guts.  Not a whole lot of defense, but a lot of guts.  Maybe
a little respect for the AFC...

	Deion.

dpm
	

	
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:08:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.185553.12792@cs.hut.fi> killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>In <92255.032250343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>>football,  but would seem to me that after a crushing sack,  in front of
>>more than 10000 screaming fans,  I'd be on an emotional high.  Of course
>>I'd want to live it up.  I'm sure it's the same way.  Not to mention that
>>it probably fires the crowd up even more,  and gets the crowd behind your
>>team.  This is always a bonus.
>
>There is a HUGE difference between 'Hey, I did great!' and 'You cannot
>even run/tackle/throw/kick/...'.  I personally award 15 yards for the
>latter but encourage the former.
>--
>************************************************************************
>* The night sky over the planet Krikkit is the least interesting sight *
>* in the entire Universe.  -- Douglas Adams, HHGTG                     *
>************************************************************************

That is the WHOLE POINT!  It becomes personal!  The Zebras interject
their personal feelings, pro/con, on what constitutes taunting.  If
the rule were to be enforced equitably and fair to all players and plays,
then perhaps it would be tolerable.  My point is when Harris did his
imginary six shooter bit, he should not have been penalized.  Even the
announcers proclaimed this!  You personally will tolerate some type of
taunting, but not another.  Technically, taunting is taunting.  If
a person gets pissed off because he is told he cannot run/tackle/throw/kick
or whatever, then he has some problems.  Maybe he can't do any of the
aforementioned skills, maybe he can.  

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
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From: chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston)
Subject: Re: Position Ratings
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:57:33 GMT

Well, everyone else is doing it, so here goes :

MY ratings :

QB : 1 ) Young		Look at the stats.  Young, in half a season, was still
			better than anyone else.
     2 ) Kelly		Losing two SB's isn't that bad, is it?
     3 ) Marino		The best passer. Period.
     4 ) Moon		Might be overrating him a little, but even for R+S his
			numbers are good.
     5 ) Miller		Has improved consistently since entering the league, and
			he wasn't that bad to start with.

RB : 1 ) Sanders	Everytime he emerges from a pile of 5 defenders and runs
			for another 20 yards it becomes more obvious how much
			better he is than the rest.
     2 ) Thomas		Stats up there with Barry, but defense's can't afford to
			key on him.
     3 ) Smith		Too good to rate any lower.
     4 ) Butts		When he's healthy and SD lets him run, nobody can match
			his speed and power.
     5 ) Okoye		Similar to Marion, just not so fast.
     and I think Blair Thomas would make the list if Coslet would give him a
     chance.

WR : 1 ) Rice		With plenty of room to spare.
     2 ) Clark		His career stats (in roughly the same amount of time)
			are within shouting distance of Rice.  No one else comes
			close.
     3 ) Irvin		As much as I think last year was a fluke, nobody else not
			named after a kind of Chex ever gets 1500 yards.	
     4 ) Taylor		The most underrated reciever in the league.
     5 ) Lofton		Everytime you think he's history he runs up another quick
			900+ yards.

And, of course, Brent Jones is the best tight end in the league.


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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Bucs coach
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 13:16:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.205105.9239@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>
>Does anyone know who the new coach of Tampa Bay is? Not that it will make
>a whole lot of difference.
>

Sam Wyche
From: v102q5hc@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JIM BAUMGARTNER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jim Burt and the Bills
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1685D1017C.RKSHUKLA@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, RKSHUKLA@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Ravi Shukla) writes...
>Didn,t John Madden mention something about Jim Burt going to Buffalo for
>talks. Any developments?
> 
>Ravi Shukla
Burt was supposed to have been given a tryout with the Bills on tuesday
but so far the media has not said a word on the results or if he even 
actually tried out. 
                                                     Jim Baumgartner
                                                     University at Buffalo