From: tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Re: Stupid Addresses!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:35:08 GMT

In article <6658.2B36CB62@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert) writes:
>The lines you are pointing to are put in there by the gating software. To 
>send a message to Leah on the fidonet side, you simply address it to Leah 
>Wesolowski, and her address is 1:373/2. 

  [ detrius deleted ]
>                                On the fidonet side, doing as so many on the 
>Intergraph side do and cross-posting messages in multiple newsgroups is 
>considered to be in VERY POOR TASTE. Unfortunately, despite my requests, 
>the people at Intergraph feel compelled to do so, hence the recent spate of 
>messages from the Netherlands on our presidential election showing up in 
>our LOCAL newsgroup. 
>                       You should see all the lines of routing garbage the 
>gateway software puts at the top of every message gated from the Intergraph 
>side. Personally, as moderator of this newsgroup on the fidonet side, I'm 
>about ready to sever the gate. 

  Some of the fidonet, gorups have new software, which filters the routing
  garbage out of Internet messages. It might help. It is my understanding
  that the gating of Fido with hsv.general, was to help the common groups
  of communication that should really exist in the hunstville community.

  The reason that people will cross-post is that the message will show up
  one time on the usenet side. If it is posted to ingr.general, and hsv.
  general then when I read the message, the software will note that I have
  read the message in one group, and not force me to read again in the other
  group. Besides the group identifier, there is also a distribution attribute,
  if the local gateing software were to verify that the distribution attribute
  were to be set to _hsv_, then the netherlands, the soviet union <sic> would
  not be inudatedate with yokels yammers about why some idiots may/may not
  have be resposible for his actions.  

  Courtesty on the fidonet side would also be appreciated.

  Quoting parts of messages is considered courtesy, it allows some
  context for understanding the intent of the response.

  if you want to cut a connection, cut the flame connection or
  better yet rename the group to hsv.whine. ;-) would it help if I reposted
  portions of alt.flame and alt.whine so that you'all have something
  to shoot for?

  Perhaps some awarness of the problems of both sides is in order:
  Fidonet software has problems with more than about 17 lines of 40 character
  messages linees. Usenet messages sometimes execeed 20 to 30 screens of
  information.

  Perhaps the _real_ solutions is to make hsv.general and the other
  hsv groups, become usenet moderated groups..


  
>                                 On the fidonet side, signature files are 
>also considered to be in very poor taste, as is the common practice of 
>quoting a message (including all routing and header information) in its 
>entirety simply to add a one line comment. Some software on this side even 
>limits you to only quoting four lines at a time to discourage this habit.

  Early Usenet software, also had problems in this area, something on the
  order that every message could at most be 40% quoted text.
>
>--  
> = Micro Magic, 830-2362,  Alabama's Usenet/Fidonet gateway.
> = Reply-To:  John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG


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         Kermit Tensmeyer                         | Intergraph Corporation
   klt@kt8127.b23a.ingr.com                       | Deep in Dixie
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