From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: What's happening??? [Seetam and rit] (Re: ..... BeeBatsam....)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:11:44 GMT


[NOTE: Though I am also from Rice, Kishore and Rama have nothing to do with
this follow-up. Though Kishore is sitting in the same office, he doesn't even
know that I'm following-up to Seetamraju. I don't even know if he has read
Seetam's post yet. These are all strictly my opinions]


In article <1992Oct16.205533.8525@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@parvathi.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju) writes:

|> In article <Bw6pwF.DLu@rice.edu> kishore@argo.rice.edu (Ananda Kishore) writes:

|> >It is really my mistake not to tell the persons beta-testing our
|> >program explicitly that this program is not yet in the public domain,
|> >and that its internal details and pieces may not be posted on
|> >the net - since they could confuse the others who haven't seen
|> >the program. But I thought that by "beta-testing" this is understood :-(
|> 
|> I did not expect the development to be completely care-of-you.  So, I
|> went public on the net.


What on earth do you think you are achieving by all this? Kishore and Rama are
NOT developing the software for just their use (or that of their friends). Of
course, they announced it on the net and said it was under beta-test and would
be made public soon. So, what do you mean by "I went public on the net"? What
is all this nonsense as if Kishore is hesitating to go public or is trying to
*unnecessarily* delay things?


|> Frankly, I feel everyone should be given the right to beta test.


You might be right if you say that everyone has a right to use the software
after the makers think it's completely ready (one may disagree with even that).
But, "right to beta-test"! Come on, gimme a break! What the hell do you think
a "test" means?

After the beta-test (based on the feedback), naturally some changes will be
made (what do you think a "test" means?) and it's not a good idea to confuse
people. So Kishore rightly (and rightfully) decided to make it public only
after the test. If you don't know, Rama and Kishore are working very hard on
fixing the problems. Also, they are working on preparing a comprehensive FAQ
for rit so that they can answer all possible queries and give it along with
the software. There are several trivial things to do before making a software
public and they take nontrivial amount of time. It's unfortunate that you are trying to put pressure on them.


|> tel.tar.Z is NO longer available for everyone.


NONSENSE!! Kishore and Rama are working hard on fixing the problems and making
it available to the public ASAP. Kishore DID announce on the net in a previous
post that he would try to release it on this Sunday. Waiting for a few days is
worth it if it improves the software.


|> So, unless you really insist I shall
|> make copies available by tar-ing my files and mailing it.  I shall wait till
|> monday evening for your decision.  Please contact me...


This sucks ...

What is happening? What are you trying to do?? Kishore is anyway releasing it
(as he has already announced - looong before your post) soon (it can be as soon
as this Sunday). Your moronic overenthusiasm is totally uncalled for and it is
in a very bad taste.

Who the hell do you think you are to distribute the software? What have you
done with rit? And, moreover, the creators of the software ARE anyway gonna
release it (sooner than later)! Then, what's the big point in this?


|> >Of course, one can always criticize and review the program - but
|> >all I ask is this: criticize the input-output behaviour of the
|> >software, not its internal data files. 
|> 
|> 
|> As for the interface, we talked obout it.  There is only one thing to comment about
|> and that is the telugu font.  Which will, clearly, take time to be replaced by the
|> much better font you are creating.  So what else do you want us <The beta testers>
|> to look for ?  Improvements in xdvi ? or in latex ?


Obviously not! As Kishore said, "input-output behavior". You might not have
noticed, but there are some problems. Whenever you type something and get
something you didn't expect, report it so that Kishore and Rama can identify
the problem and correct it. They are working hard on correcting the few
problems that arose.


	[some supposed `niceties' and Seetam's remarks deleted]


Don't you think you are confusing the potential users of the software with
*unnecessary* details? Of course, Kishore and Rama will try to solve all your
possible problems before making it public. [for example, they can take care of
these 2 things you talked about (supposedly "niceties")]. The purpose of
beta-testing was to solve all possible problems before making the aoftware
available.

Your previous post in which you posted the shell scripts etc on the net was a
big joke. What the hell do you think you achieved by that? What was the big
point? Stop doing disservice to rit if you can't contribute anything positive
to the beta-test. If I was in Kishore's position, I would've asked you to
get lost and stop beta-testing it. You posted a wrong rit transliteration
scheme on the net and majorly reproduced rir (Rice Internal Representation).
What a dumb thing!!! INTERNAL representation is not something the user has to
worry about. He won't use it in typing things. Computer uses it to store things.

Please try to put your overenthusiasm under control. And don't behave like an
idiot. After Kishore's follow-up to you, I thought you would realize what you
had done was wrong and apologize. But, there you were with some more idiotic
things! I couldn't help flame you.

Lemme repeat:

Developing a software is no mean task (you'll appreciate the software when you
use it). But, there are several things to be done before it is released and they
take a lot of time. A test is supposed to be a test. It was Kishore's mistake to have given the software for test to an idiot (apparently) like you. It is unfair
to put pressure on the poor guys who are working hard (unselfishly) with your
childish statements like "I think everyone has a right over it. So, I made it
public. I'll make the files available to evevryone unless you really insist.
Contact me before so and so day" blah blah. What the hell is all this? This
leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Probably you didn't realize what you were
doing was an idiotic thing. If you have a common sense, stop doing this and
apologize to Kishore.

Standard disclaimer [:-)]: Please don't take any offense.


|> >kishore
|> 
|> 
|> Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
|> (email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


PVR

PS: Though I am also from Rice, Kishore and Rama have nothing to do with
this follow-up. Though Kishore is sitting in the same office, he doesn't even
know that I'm following-up to Seetamraju. I don't even know if he has read
Seetam's post yet. These are all strictly my opinions.
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