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From: laura@rhumba (Laura Fullton)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Reception Dinner Etiquette
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:20:22 GMT
Organization: UNC Department of Physics & Astronomy

Well, here I am again (the OP). I wanted to thank everyone for the
suggestions about dealing with the reception dinner. I tried to reply to all
the e-mail I received, but at least one attempt bounced. I also thought I'd
let everyone know what I decided to do and how it has turned out (so far--
we're leaving tomorrow for the wedding tomorrow):

I called my cousin and explained the situation to her. She wasn't
offended, but wasn't very helpful either. She didn't inquire about my
dietary restrictions (maybe she thought she knew what "strict vegetarian
diet" meant), she didn't tell me the planned meal or ask if I could eat
it, and she didn't offer to have the caterer make me a special dish.
Therefore, *I decided* that the best thing to do is go and cope with
the situation armed with all the helpful comments from rec.food.veg'ers.
If the meal is not a buffet (please, oh please), I plan to pull the
wait aside and ask to have a plate made with only the items I can eat.
If there are none, I'll ask not to be served. After talking with my
cousin, I do not feel it is appropriate to call the restaurant or
caterer myself. However, now I won't feel that it is awkward or
inappropriate for me to deal with the situation as indicated above.

All the discussion on this topic has been wonderful... gee! and I was
expecting to be flamed...

laura fullton
laura@rhumba.oit.unc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:38:27 -0400 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Vegetarians and Missionaries


>>>	Your claim that diabetes is more aggravated by fat intake
>>>	than sugar intake is, well, let's be generous and say it's
>>>	just controversial.  Ask *any* diabetes professional and they	
>>>	will tell you that while fat intake is factor to be watched,
>>>	it's not nearly as important as watching simple sugar intake.
>>>	Or better yet, get two diabetics, feed one a diet high in
>>>	simple sugar but low in fat, and feed the other a high fat
>>>	diet.  Hell, make it all saturated fat if you like.  And see
>>>	who gets sick quicker.
>>
>>Yes, that would be the perfect study.  Why don't you recommend to the
>>Diabetes Association that such a study be attempted.  Would they even do
>>it?

>Are you missing the point or evading it?

>I really don't need any such study done ... I know the answer.

>You nonsensically claimed that fat was a more significant dietary
>factor for diabetics than sugar.  This is known as BULLSHIT.

You have no proof.   

>>Since most "normal humans" can function on diets ranging from 4-10% fat,
>>please give me a reason why diabetics might not be able to.
 
>Hmmm... seems to me that you were saying this is the *ideal*.
>Sure, diabetics can function on 4-10% fat.  I was under the impression
>that somehow this was supposed to be ideal.

I believe that 10% is supposed to be ideal.  It is certainly not 30%.  I
hope that people aren't recommending that diabetics "restrict" their fat
intake to 30%, it will do a lot more harm than good.

Dave
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: De-muffining
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:08:05 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <18004@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau) writes:
>I have seen a lot of differing opinions from "authoritative sources"
>on the need to combine vegetable protiens.  Is it any wonder that there
>is confusion when two books--each very pro-vegetarian--give exactly
>opposite answers on the need for combining protiens?
>
Yes, that's why the myth need to be laid to rest.

>It can't *hurt* to combine vegetable protiens, and there is no waste
>of time or money if you enjoy eating all the foods you're combining.

Depends if you like them in combination or not. I very rarely mix
beans with rice, I get full up enough on just the beans. I do eat
lentils with rice, but that is because they go together well. There
is no logical reason for mixing foods together to improve their
amino-acid content.

>P.S.  The post I saw about 1 cup of rice providing a large portion of
>daily protien requirements does not agree with several sources I have
>seen on the subject...  And, as one poster noted, living on junk food
>is hazardous regardless of protien requirements (and I believe the assertion
>that such a diet would provide sufficient protien was a bit of hyperbole,
>eh?).
>
I sited nutritional sources for my information, to this you reply
with none.

The assertion that a diet of chocolate biscuits and potato chips
would provide enough protein is factual. Find a nutrition manual
and work it out if you don't believe me. I never stated that such
a diet was *healthy*, I merely showed how stupid this whole protein
combining nonsense is.




-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Laurie Roberts)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:30:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: the single veggie flame war
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

Ok, I've been reading this stuff long enough, and I think I'll add my .02

My SO is not a vegetarian, nor is he ever likely to be.  We have a simple
agreement:  I won't try to change what you eat if you won't try to change 
what I eat (namely, mutual respect).  I am fortunate (or we both are!) in 
that he'll eat whatever I cook, which is only vegetarian, which he enjoys.
If he craves a hamburger, he goes elsewhere.  He likes to bar-b-que, and 
is working on perfecting grilled tofu, veggie burgers and veg kabobs for
me.  He also goes out of his way to make sure there are veg options available   for me when we go out or dine with friends or family.

So far, things are working out beautifully.  Now when children enter the
equation, that will be a new challenge....  Any advice on that?

-Laurie
From: mcdermot@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: Re: Protein inefficiency of chicken (was Re: UPC chicken vigil...)
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:44:41 GMT

packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

>In article <ac.49@apmaths.uwo.ca>, ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes...
>>one purchases meat, one is buying into an inefficient system which is 
>>pulling our world apart at its ecological seams.  Many people don't realize 
>>the real cost of meat in terms of resource depletion, since the industry is 


>An article in Nature magazine in February said this assertion is 
>so much bunk.


Prove it.  Post that article.  I would like to see it.  Right now,
with material I have on hand I could post at least 100 references
supporting the fact that meat production, aka, factory farming is
destroying the ecosystem of this planet.  The raising of cattle and
chickens is causing widespread destruction of the water table, drying
up of non-renewable underground water reserves, topsoil depletion,
destruction of the rain forests, global warming... need I go on?  The
SINGLE most effective thing you can do to help "save the planet" is
become vegetarian.  Not to mention that a lot of poverty in third
world countries is directly related to the demand for more beef by
western civilizations.

Tara
-- 
"Look Sis, I don't anything about douche, but I DO know anti-freeze
when I see it, and THAT's what you're holding."   - Dead Milkmen

Tara McDermott                            mcdermot@socrates.umd.edu
From: dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: rec.food.veg.d
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:29:39 GMT
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


>I don't know how relevant this is, but I have a friend who rows
>crew for the university and is about 6'2" and rather well-built,
>and he's a vegetarian.  So it can be done, although he's no
>Arnold or Hulk Hogan.  But size like that doesn't come from
>food.

>Chris

I believe that Hulk Hogan is a vegetarian.

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@sasquatch.serum.kodak.com (Rich Young (x37176))
Subject: Re: Soybeans as a Protection against Breast Cancer
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:56:25 GMT

In article <2450@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:

>Just got this bulletin from the American Cancer Society:
>
>Soybeans as a Protection Against Cancer.
>
>In a preliminary animal study, soybeans slowed the progression of breast
>cancer by approximately 50%, say researchers at the University of Alabama,
>Birmingham.  In the study, 250 rats were ingected with an agent known to cause
>breast cancer.  Half of the rats were then fed a soybean-rich diet, and the 
>other half were fed a diet lacking soybeans.  Rats receiving the soybeans
>developed cancer at a 50% slower rate than did the rats not receiving soybeans.
>Researchers first initiated the project after studying countries with very
>slow rates of breast cancer, particularly Japan and other Asian countries.
>They found that almost all had soybeans in their diet.  An initial finding was
>the presence of an estogen-like subtance in soybeans (flavinoids) that is
>similar to tamoxifen, a drug used to treat hormone-dependent breast cancer.  If
>the soybean theory holds true, say the researchers, up to 67,000 women in 
>the United States [and elsewhere, one would assume] could be protected
>from the disease, but further testing is required to confirm these
>preliminary findings.
>
>ACS Medical Affairs Newsletter, Vol. II, No2, Feb 1990
>
>   Does anyone know if there's been any further research on this topic?

	I can't point to any further research specifically, but I CAN point
	you to an excellent discussion of the subject in SCIENCE NEWS,
	Vol. 137, No. 19, May 12, 1990, pages 296 - 297.  There are at least
	two research projects summarized (one of which is the one you
	mention), and fairly detailed descriptions of the research are
	included.


-Rich (young@serum.kodak.com)
From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarians and Missionaries(Was: Re: the single vegetarian)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: bkhouse.nkraft.033i
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <5020387@hpindda.cup.hp.com> gph@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Houtz) writes:
>nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft) writes:
>
>>While no large scale studies have 
>>been done on truly vegan populations (if there are any), the conclusion 
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>If you mean "are there any truly vegan populations", the answer is "Yes".
>I am vegan, and many people throughout the U.S. are vegan, and studies
>could be done on us.   Also, a number of health and nutrition studies
>have been done on "The Farm", a planned community of vegans in Tennesee.

What I had in mind was multi-generational, long term, homogenic (more or
less) vegan populations. While there are vegans throughout the US, we 
don't have the equivalent of a vegan country to study. Not that we need
one to make the point, it's just a statistical nicety. The considerable
amount of data from numerous Seventh Day Adventist studies is the best
long-term, multigenerational material we seem to have on US vegatarian
populations (and it is very much in line with data obtained from the 
Japan and China studies, as well as studies of smaller vegetarian 
groups throughout the world).

I was not aware, however of "The Farm", and the studies done on it. It will
be interesting and, I think, important to keep track of these intentional 
communities. Do you know how long this planned community has been going? 
Any idea where we might find further information?

Norm.

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From: freeman-elisabeth@CS.YALE.EDU (Elisabeth Freeman)
Subject: Request: Pasta Ceci
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:02:21 GMT


The other day I had a dish called "pasta ceci" at Claire's (a great
New Haven vegetarian resaurant, BTW).  It had pasta twirls with spinach
and chickpeas (garbanzos) and was somewhat spicey.  It was really great!
Does anyone know of this dish and have a recipe for it?

Thanks,
Beth

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar)
Subject: New Vegetarian Dog Food  
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:02:53 GMT

For those who might be interested in such things, the magazine _Dogs in Canada_
reported in the "New Products" section of its March issue that a new
vegetarian dog food has been introduced:



VEGETARIAN DOG FOOD

Natural Life Pet Products, Inc., has added several new items to its product
line.  The new Vegetarian Formula, available in 14-ounce cans, is said to 
be ideal for overweight dogs or dogs with a constipation problem.  As an 
adjunct to Natural Life's Lamb and Rice Lambaderm Formula, the new Vegetarian
Formula is also suggested for dogs with meat-sensitive allergies...
Natural Life says its products contain no by-products, artificial
preservatives or colours.  Available from veternarians and pet food
centres.  For information, call 1-800-367-2391, or write Naturual Life
Pet Products, Inc., Frontenac, Kansas 66762.


- michael
From: biehler@acsu.buffalo.edu (Timothy J. Biehler)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Pepperoni?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:29:04 GMT
Organization: UB

Yet another question...

IN this months VT there is also an add for a company marketing
its line of faux meats.  They offered a sample pack (for $19.95)
of their five varieties, I can't recall all of them, but one
that struck my interest was PEPPERONI!!!!!

I seem to recall a lot of people looking for a vegetarian version
of pepperoni here a little while back, and I've got to admit
that it sounds like a nice thing to me, too.  However, I'm
not about to fork over $20 just to find out if they are even close.
Has anybody tried this product, and if so, is it a good approximation
to real pepperoni?  I always have figured that a veg version should
be possible, but I've never found one.

A few things about their advert scared me a bit ... such as proudly
proclaiming that all their ingredients are on the USDA's GRAS list.
(Probably nothing wrong with this, but it sort of strikes me
as saying "The government doesn't *think* this stuff will kill you!
:-)), the price being pretty high, their statement that each 8oz
pack makes about a pound while simultaneously claiming that you can
eat it straight out of the box (hmmmmm...), and so on.

Any info out there?

Tim Biehler
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Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:19:34 -0400 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is there a doctor in the house?


Jim McCoy writes:

>If you follow foolish advice from a doctor you are a victim of malpractice.
>If you follow foolish advice from the net you are just plain stupid.

>jim

There'd be about 120 million malpractice suits, then.

>Other articles recently relating to nutrition and the vegan/vegetarian diet
>have begun to take the tone of: "Don't trust your doctor, he is a paid
>lackey of the meat/dairy industry;  we on the net know the true path to
>health and you should trust us."  This is very, very wrong. 

You are very, very naive.  Although there is not a direct link between
the animal products industries and the medical industry, there is a
great deal of indirect influence.  And most doctors recieve virtually
 no nutritional training.

>NEVER ENTRUST YOUR HEALTH TO >INFORMATION YOU READ FROM THE NET.

>Doctors and nutritionists are required to complete educational program and
>are tested to establish their proficiency and knowledge of the information
>they are giving you. 

Then WHY do some *nutritionists* give out to people the "four food
groups" B.S. that the DAIRY COUNCIL puts out?  Why does almost every
medical doctor know NOTHING about the health benefits of a diet with few
or no animal products?  Why is that, Jim McCoy?

David McWade
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jennifer@algol.astro.Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Wesp)
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:11:59 GMT

 Ahh, chickens are wonderful beings.  You haven't lived until you've
 tried to resucitate one from drowning by looking uup into a rain
 storm... 

-jennifer
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul)
Subject: Grapefruit
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:00:44 GMT

Is a grapefruit its own fruit or a hybrid?  Like that Broccaulifler
(sp?)

MelodY
--
From: Kamchatka Charlie
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Summary: stick around, this is getting fun
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:21:37 GMT
Organization: Psychosis Unlimited International

Carol Miller-Tutzauer writes:

>Charlie -- you'd just better bail out of this one.  Traub listens
>to no one, not even if they manage to make a reasonable point on
>occasion.
     Not yet.  As long as it's just Traub spewing his intolerance against me;
I'll be able to stand up fine and dandy.  Only when he is joined by seven or
eight others will I consider running from rec.food.veg.

>    (and I'm about ready to go on hiatus again; this newsgroup
>    seems to have started its inevitable dissent into the pits
>    of fanaticism and lack of reason)
    Don't leave yet, this is just getting interesting.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: Flour Tortillas
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:49:11 GMT


All day long at work I dream about the evening meal and wrapping things up in 
flour tortillas.  Currently, it's refried beans and rice, plus tomatoes, 
lettuce, hot pepper sauce etc.

My question is:  would someone post other types of foods and can be wrapped up
in flour tortillas?

Thanks in advance.
JH
From: dondd@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Don Dillon)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:24:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Kudos for Tofu Bacon
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

>Suggestion: DON'T overcook your tofu' you get carbonized things.
>            Cut the tofu slabs as thing as possible; the flavors penetrate 
>             better
>
>Kalpana
>----------

Is that as 'Thin' or as 'Think' as possible ?


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From: mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: LEATHER
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:49:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
	...when i first realised what *I* considered to be the horror of my 
	...this of course means that any consumption of a product which
	...reading what i've just written, i see that i've not quite iterated 
	..
From: wirthc@portnoy.sdsc.edu (Colleen Wirth)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: REQUEST:Good Muffins
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:08:33 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD

In article <1992Apr16.010359.6007@reed.edu> gkolstad@reed.edu (Geoffrey Kolstad) writes:
>
>I am spending entirely too much money at my local bakery. I need good tasting
>healthy muffins, that include raspberries or bananas or anything else that
>sounds good. Any tips on the baking process and equipment to use would
>be appreciated...
>Thanks!

Number 1 tip in muffin baking: Don't over mix the batter! If you do, the 
gluten in the flour will develop and the muffins will be tough, not crumbly.

The favorite muffin recipes in my house are those in "The Laurel's Kitchen
Bread Book." The basic bran muffins and the blueberry muffins are out of
this world. BEWARE THOUGH: they do contain eggs, dairy products, and sugar.
I eat them as a rare treat only.

I recommend buying this book or loaning it from your public library. Tons
of good recipes. 

>Geoffrey Kolstad
>gkolstad@reed.edu

Colleen

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar)
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil-ante at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:24:18 GMT

In article <53277@mimsy.umd.edu> nulspace@cs.umd.edu (Michael Chang) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.195358.16457@wam.umd.edu> dipster@wam.umd.edu (Sandip Dasgupta) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.222034.4599@access.digex.com> cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr8.141939.11898@socrates.umd.edu> jon@socrates.umd.edu (Jonathan Kruger) writes:
>>>>
>>>>   Chickens are ranging animals by nature who need plenty of fresh air,
>>>>sunshine, exercise and fresh greens to stay healthy and feel good.  
>
>Everything on this planet evolved in an open environment.  Roaming is not a 
>preferential activity, it is merely the result of being hatched in the middle 
>of a field.

This seems nothing more than a non-sequitir, and fails to counter the claim
that "roaming" chickens are healthier.

>  In addition, chickens are completely domesticated.  Millions of
>years ago, ancient Babylonians (I'm not a student of history, so I might be
>a little wrong here), in anticipation of styrofoam (and sauces in little
>plastic containers), decided to breed and domesticate chickens.  It's a little
>absurd to label chickens as wild animals.

It is also absurd to claim that they *enjoy* being kept in cages so small
that they can't turn around, with their beaks burned off so that they
don't peck each other to death from the stress.  

>[...]
>>waiting for yuou at Giant. Also, it is apparent that you 
>>give no regard to the feeling of chickens.. thats something
>
>If you are so stressed over the feelings of chickens, what about the feelings
>of broccoli?  They are living creatures as well, and who are you to say that
>they don't have feelings as well?  To arbitrarily say that vegetables don't
>have feelings is the same as saying that chickens don't have feelings.

1) Chickens have nervous systems rather similar to humans.  Broccoli have
no nervous system, and therefore it is reasonable to assume that they
do not feel pain.

2) Even if they did, a vegetarian diet is more efficient in its use of plants
as food than a meat-based diet is (all those animals *you* eat had to eat
something themselves).  Therefore, even if plants *do* feel pain, the total
amount of suffering inflicted on them is much less in a vegetarian diet.


(I know, I know, I'm actually pretending that he is willing to hear rational
arguments rather than just flame...I guess I'm just optimistic...)

- michael