HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.test
Subject: Re: COMPETENCY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:35:04 EST
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:

> In article <1993Jan20.161726.25871@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Simon E. Booth,
> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu writes:
> > Conservative Republicans are going to have to come to grips with the
> fact
> > that we lost the election because the Democrats and the media cheated
> and lied.

No... I think Clinton won it because, simply, Bush was not a very
likeable guy. He didn't have the class of Reagan, the charisma of
Clinton.. And a frustrated electorate voted for Clinton and Perot.


> > There is should be a law which states that the presidency is an office
> > exclusively reserved for Republicans, because everyone knows how
> worthless the
> > Democrats are.

I'm not sure the republicans have done anything particularly good in the
last 12 years. Less damage than the democrats would have, probably, for
what it's worth.

> Define "everyone".......define "worthless"..... better yet tell me one
> lasting
> positive contribution to our nation, given us by Bush/Reagan.
> The public debt doesn't count....   :-)

Mm.. You mix a president who opposes high taxes with a congress that
finds no federal program that isn't worth a billion or two.. What do you
expect?


> > Our people had it your way for 12 glorious years and now the democrats
> will
> > fuck everything up.
> 
> Oh....you mean the last 12 years of the most "glorious" deficits,
> "glorious"
> social upheaval, and "glorious" greed-driven excess in our history?

We'd have no deficits at all if congress would cut spending. As for
social upheaval, I haven't seen any.. The Rodney Riots? Hardly a social
protest; that was a simple orgy of violence by violent people.

> > Wonder how Clinton will defend himself at his impeachment trial?

I wouldn't bet on it. Lost election in '96? I'll put money on that.
Impeachment? Even if warranted, it would never happen with a democratic
congress.

> Oh, another person with a crystal ball. I had no idea that there were so
> many mystics in the Republican party....    :-/

Nancy seemed to trust hers, so don't be too sure... :)

> > Or perhaps a trial on January 21, 1997, for his near-destruction of
> > our country.
> 
> My God Simon....and I was beginning to have hope for you...
> 
> Will you doomsayers stow your rantings until Clinton has actually
> done something....  I'm beginning to think you people actually want our
> country to fail so you can run around saying "I told you so".

I've been saying "I told you so" for a couple of weeks now. It's been
annoying the hell out of a couple of hard-core democrat friends of mine.

--
"To call something 'Public' is to define it as filthy, inefficient and
dangerous. The public toilet is the epitome of social spending."
                                                 - P.J. O'Rourke

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:04:44 CST


In article <1993Jan26.234628.12099@irscscm.UUCP>, sbutler@irscscm.UUCP (Susan Butler) writes:
> >
> >Just so their is no confusion (I assume your refering to me), I support
> >Clinton but think Zoe Baird should step down because her answers in the
> >confirmation hearings (generally) made me sick.  She knowingly violated
> >the law & now wants to be in charge of enforcing those same laws.
> >Clinton can find a better nominee (assuming, of course, that not all
> >lawyers are corrupt).
> 
> 	Clinton knowingly violated the law when he became a draft
> 	dodger and now HE is in charge of enforcing those same
> 	laws--kinda scarey isn't it?

The government is enforcing the same draft laws as in 1969?

So what are the lucky lottery numbers?

> 	The Vietnam Memorial Wall is full of names of people who
> 	were not COWARDS--and now we have one for our president.
> 
> 	I feel very, very sad for my country.

I'd feel sad too if I thought there was still a draft...

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Clint's appointments
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:23:40 GMT

In article <22JAN199300474662@adcalc.fnal.gov> glass@adcalc.fnal.gov (Michael Glass) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.131307.3497@cs.wayne.edu>,
> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu writes...
>>
>>Indeed. Remember the "Meese standard"? After Meese was absolutely cleared of
>>any and all wrongdoing, the Democratics said that the mere fact that he had
>>been under suspicion should disqualify him from any high office!

Just out of curiosity, what was Meese accused of?  I remeber back around 1988
or so the big media flap about Meese, but for some reason I cannot recall ever
hearing what he was in trouble for.

Simon
From: harelb@igc.apc.org (Harel Barzilai)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: READ CLINTON'S LIPS !
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:35:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1588800079:cdp:1588800080:000:838
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!harelb    Jan 21 14:35:00 1993


/* Written 11:27 am  Jan 21, 1993 by bbeck in igc:justice.econ */
From "Putting People First: How We Can All Change America,"
by Bill Clinton and Al Gore (Times Books, 1992):

"MIDDLE-CLASS TAX FAIRNESS: We will lower the tax burden on
middle-class Americans by asking the very wealthy to pay their
fair share. Middle-class taxpayers will have a choice between
a children's tax credit or a significant reduction in their
income tax rate. Virtually every industrialized nation
recognizes the importance of strong families in its tax code; we
should, too."

This appears on Page 15 in a chapter titled "Putting people
First: A Strategy for Change" under the heading: "Rewarding Work
and Families." Nearly identical language appears on
page 50 in the Chapter "Children" under the heading: 
"Support Pro-Family and Pro-Children Policies."
From: gwelty@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Hillary Clinton's published writings???
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:56:58 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

I am trying to find an archive which has most or all of 
Hillary Clinton's published writings, acessible by ftp.
If anyone can give me any leads on this, please e-mail 
me privately.

Thank you,
Gordon Welty
GWELTY@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
X-Xxdate: Thu, 28 Jan 93 08:42:20 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d15
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:46:15 GMT

In article <1k7dj6INNlg6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Richard A. Mulac,
ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> FACT:  The Children's Defense Fund's (Hillary's own organization)
ranking
> of Arkansas in terms of the quality of life for children living there
sank
> to last place (50th) during Clinton's reign.  Quality of life took into
> account EDUCATION, health, housing, etc..

I want a source for this one.... It runs contrary to every report I
have read. I want to read the details of the report. You seem to
have a penchant for "reinterpreting" statements.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: ZOE BAIRD: ATTORNEY GEN.
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:56:03 GMT
	<MDL.93Jan20004848@nv.cypress.com> <1993Jan21.002928.10672@netcom.com>
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

In article <1993Jan21.002928.10672@netcom.com> davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat) writes:

[fair points deleted]

   If "Her husband" took care of the illegal alien hiring than
   WHY IS SHE ADMITING GUILT AT HER CONFIRMATION HEARINGS?

throwing herself on the mercy of the court, trying to be humble

   Zoe Baird made $500,000.00 per year at her job and her hubby
   was a full professor someplace and probably made big bucks too
   and yet they chose to fuck over Americans looking for work by
   hiring illegal aliens--OUTRAGEOUS!

Let me point out that it took them over 2 months to even
find these people.  Maybe they weren't offering enough
money to attract viable candidates ($260/week plus room,
food, and other bonuses).  Like I said, I'm undecided
on this one.

--


Matt Landrum, CAD Engineer      | e-mail: mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "You can get what you want if you
Starkville, MS  39759           | know how to find it." -- Tower of Power
From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: re: Top 10 list
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:46:00 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <93027.184724MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu>
MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> Who is Frank Reich?
>     Robert Reich is very short however.

Frank Reich is the backup QB on the Buffalo Bills

-Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Dartmouth
College, its students, or anyone else.
"Not everyone can carry the weight of the world..."- R.E.M.
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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:59:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) says:

>
>	 This was before we found out that Bush had mis-lead
>the American people, which was normal for him, concerning the


     Yes, yes, it's all Bush's fault.  But let's forgive and forget.
      it's all Okay, now.  Come on, James.  Come on,Carter!


     We're all brothers!  We'll build a bright new vision of America.
     Oh, Piece train SOUNDING LOUDER.  Everyone jump aboard the Piece Trrain!


     Won't you join me?!

>size of the national debt. 
>
>	This is really funny, watching you hard core
>conservatives go through "abussive power" withdrawal. Just
>think FOUR YEARS.....
>
>			Carter
>
>
>--
>
>                  "If all the economists were laid end to end, 
>                   they wouldn't reach a conclusion."
>                      
>

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From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 24 Jan 93 13:53:05 CDT
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,misc.education,talk.politics.misc,sci.edu
Subject: Re: Why can't the liberals just admit that public education has failed?
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1993Jan21.043409.16335@sequent.com>, by petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire):
> susan@csbvax.uucp (Susan Finkelman) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.125900.2492@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>grade after grade, seen the same homework packet come home child after
>>child, and still don't see homework graded often if ever.  And hours are
>>8-4, good luck finding many of these people as late as 3:45.  And I also

After I get the kids off the bus and into the cafeteria for breakfast,
before they go through the breakfast line, I have them pull out their
homework and give it to me. Then I check it while they're eating. Sometimes
I just do spot-checks of particular types of problems that I want to make
sure they can do right, sometimes I check the whole thing. Sometimes I have
the kids grade them by trading papers and checking off. But I see each
paper, and if there's anything that the kid isn't clear about I see it.

Our hours, by the way, are 7:30am to 3:15pm. It is rare that I get out by
3:30pm. It's usually not until 4pm that I'm out of there. This is usual for
the new teachers at this school. The old hands are out of here at exactly
3:15pm.

>>think that tenure is worth something.  I certainly don't have that kind
>>of security.

Tenure is no longer granted in the state of Texas. But if you want to teach
forever, teach in an inner city school. The only way they'll fire you is if
you die, or if you get the school sued. There were over 500 classrooms
being taught by uncertified substitute teachers last year in this
district -- all you need in order to be a substitute is 2 years of college,
no degree required.

This IS changing, though. This year they've made the principal's job
contingent upon performance. If he doesn't meet performance improvement
goals, he's reassigned to the classroom, a fate worse than death in many
principals' eyes. As a result, he is frantically pushing the teachers into
doing things that they didn't normally do, like require the kids to do
significant amounts of writing every week. Several of the old hands are
saying they're leaving. Unfortunately, it's not just the incompetents who
say that... several competent teachers say they're tired of being treated
as if they're incompetent.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.jpunix.com   Dodson Elementary
 (713) 664-6446                             Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Privitization
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:17:01 GMT
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Privatization
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:19:16 GMT
>No one says the deficit doesn't matter.  What we've been arguing is
>for attacking the problems that are causing this particular deficit,
>rather than just have people recite the catchphrase "The deficit is
>bad" without any understanding what *makes* a deficit bad.  And not
>all deficits are bad.

          CHRIST!  You've shown me the light here, Ted.  Blame it
    on my upbringing.  I agree wholeheartedly.  We should concentrate
    on boosting the economy and worry about the deficit after every-
    thing's running right.

          In fact, I'm sending a letter to Clinton's e-mail address
     and his snail address, urging him to concentrate on his economic
     plan.  I'll forward a copy to this newsgroup.

          Here's a joke which changed my life.  Maybe you'll appreciate
     it...


      Poor man -  " Preacher, preacher, I got really big problems! "

      Preacher - " What kind of problems? "

      Poor man - " I owe the bank $10,000 dollars! "

      Preacher - " Well, I don't see the problem here "

      Poor man - " But it's DUE TOMORROW! "

      Preacher - " Son, son.  Don't worry.  It's not YOU that has
                   the problem.  It's the bank! "


      I need to keep the gravy train going for another 3 or 4 years.

      I can't believe I'm worried about convincing anyone to fix
      it!  It's not *me* that's got the problem.  I don't have any
      children!
From: pbowden@missing.kludge.com (Pete Bowden)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: ZOE BAIRD:  ATTORNEY GEN.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:52:13 PST
Organization: The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129

neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black)  writes:

> I have two words for those of you who might feel uncomfortable with
> Clinton's Attorney General Designate Zoe Baird, the woman who is being
> investigated for reportedly hiring known illegal immigrants.
> 
> Those two words are:  ED MEESE!

What about Ed Meese?  And for that matter, didn't Clinton promise to have 
the most STRINGENT policies regarding ETHICS and his appointments?  
President Bush didn't make such claims, President Clinton was the one 
which stressed the need for these highest possible ethical standards.

So which one is it?  Highest standards and contradict yourself (waffle), 
or simply highest standards and don't appoint those who cannot attain 
them.

--
pete@missing.kludge.com (Pete Bowden)  {SYStem OPerator}
The Missing Link BBS, (805) 925-1129
From: johnch@test22.sun.com (Slam the Crank from Wheezer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Opportunities
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:19:36
Organization: Impossible Missions Force
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In-reply-to: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu's message of Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:34:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan14.133437.278@cs.wayne.edu> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
   From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman)
   Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:34:37 GMT

   Which is why all those ex-soviets took to the street with signs
   that said "We're indifferent to Communism" during the coup, and the
   Chinese assembled in Tienamen Square to voice support for the
   existing system

   Isn't it odd that Communism's defenders never seem to be those that
   live under it?  Only those at the top, or those that live under a
   very different society. As a wise man said, "If Marxism really is a
   scientific system, why didn't they test it on animals first?"

Because they recognize that animal studies prove very little :=)

Ideologies don't install neatly into societies, clobbering whatever
else was already there.  There was a lot of similarity between Soviet
communism and czarist authoritarianism.  Sure, there were differences,
but communism wasn't the only new element -- industrialization was
also occurring, allowing for both prosperity and murder on a
much-increased scale.  

China was never a democracy, either.  And the situation in
post-communist Eastern Europe seems pretty ugly right now, *without*
communism.  I don't think it's at all clear that millions were
murdered because of something specific to Marx's economic and social
theories.  How do you know that the same murderous individuals
wouldn't have come to power by another route, if there had been no
communism?  Hitler was *anti*-communist.

Atrocities have occurred elsewhere, too.  Is there something
inherently "capitalistic" about giving smallpox-contaminated blankets
to the Indians/Native Americans?  

There is a difference between an idea and the implementation of an
idea.  Pointing to a horrible implementation may suggest, but doesn't
prove, that the idea itself is wrong.

-- jmc
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From: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: RE: ZOE BAIRD: ATTORNEY G
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 

-> Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
-> Subject: Re: ZOE BAIRD: ATTORNEY GEN.
-> Message-ID: <29989@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
-> From: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)
-> Date: 21 Jan 93 14:13:32 GMT
-> Reply-To: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey)

-> It doesn't seem 'pretty damn minor' to me.  This will be a woman who
-> is put into office to uphold our laws and be in a position to
-> prosecute law offenders.  In my mind she should be prosecuted for
-> knowingly breaking the law.  This is a simple case of the law
-> pertains to other people -- not me.

Then I guess that everyone who has ever received a speeding ticket is
out also, since they knew that they were speeding, eh?
                                                                               
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From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins)
Subject: Re: A small wager for Mulac (was: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE...)
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:43:08 GMT

In article <1jnu7vINN1pt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:
>
>But then again, maybe I'm just a gutless blowhard.  {:^)
>

There's no maybe about it....
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From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Hillary's Role in the White House
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:52:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan25.184236.12490@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I see no qualitative difference.  Other than that the former was behind
>the scenes, while the latter is open.

Well here's one big difference to consider...

During the campaign, when Clinton's opponents were attacking Hillary's views
the response we heard was - Oh that's not fair, you're just hillary bashing,
she's not running for office Bill is.  When it was pointed out that Bill
had made the now infamous "get two for the price of one" statement and that
his plans for her in the White House made her fair game the response was -
oh that was just an off the cuff remark, Hillary won't have anymore power
or influence than any other wife has on her husband. 

Call it a promise, a goal, a duck or your aunt Tilly, Bill insisted that
this wouldn't happen and assured us we had nothing to worry about concerning 
Hillary's role in his administration

The appointment of Hillary to head up anything, regardless of her 
qualifications, views of the degree of power is just one more of what is
fast becoming a - growing larger by the day list - of lies, broken promises
and outright deception that Bill Clinton used to get elected.  And even
if by some miracle Hillary figures a way to get every American the best
Health Care, for free and paves the streets with gold in the process, it
still won't change the fact of the lies nor make Bill Clinton any less the
lair for telling them. 

Every administration that I know of had a nickname, Camelot, the shining
city on the hill, a thousand points of lights etc., the Clinton administration
seems to be shooting the label of, the ends justify the means bunch OR perhaps
the do as we say not as we do government.

PSG

-- 
Looking at the condition and politics of the public
school systems and Hollywood in the 90's, it seems in
retrospect that the only mistakes Joseph McCarthy made
were; not uncovering the right people and not finishing the job.
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