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From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: SAUDI-ARABIA PROMOTES RACISM IN EGYPT
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 16:04:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

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SAUDI-ARABIA PROMOTES RECIST POLICY AGAINST THE CHRISTIANS OF EGYPT

Saudi-Arabia was celebrating its achievement by a cultural exhibition in New 
York in March 1990. It was promoted as an ally of democratic forces against 
the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait. But behind the facade of modernism lies a 
policy of religious suppression, racial discrimination and terrorism against 
the Christian Egyptians (Copts). The objective of such policy is the economic, 
educational and social destruction of the non-Muslim people in the Middle East 
and Africa. 

The Saudi-Arabian government has been establishing Islamic banks and companies 
which don't hire Christians, or conduct any transaction with them. It also 
asks the Egyptian government not to hire or promote the Copts to leadership 
positions using its financial aid to Egypt to force the Copts to Islam by 
unemployment and hunger. 

The Saudi-Arabian government has established an Islamic university and secular 
colleges and elementary and secondary education systems all over Egypt. Such 
institutions do not accept Christian students or hire Christians among their 
employees.

The Suadi-Arabian government has constructed districts around Cairo and 
Alexandria with luxurious apartment buildings and facilities. No Christian has 
been allowed to live in these Islamic towns. They are exclusively for the 
Muslim from Egypt or from any other part of the world. It is a policy of 
apartheid against the ethnic-religious Coptic people. 

The Saudi-Arabian government has been supporting all the fanatic Muslim 
fundamentalist groups who are conducting a holy war (jihad) against the Copts 
in Egypt. They destroy and ransack churches, Coptic institutions, and Coptic 
jewellery stores and pharmacies. They terrorize the Coptic students in the 
state-controlled colleges and schools. 

In March 1990 the Muslim fundamentalists ransacked and vandalized two Coptic 
Orthodox Churches, the Coptic Catholic Church, the YMCA headquarters and many 
Coptic owned stores and businesses. 

Saudi-Arabia the fief of the Saudi family, has supported the Islamic 
government of Sudan in a genocidal war against the Southern Sudan to impose 
Islamic law on its Christian and animist population. 






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From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Subject: From Africa-L
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:52:18 GMT

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 See the Sunday August 29, 1992, New York Times for an
 incredible article on President Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire
 and his barber.  Every two weeks Zaire spends about $5000
 to bring an American hair stylist to Kinshasa to cut Mobutu's
 hair.  this has been going on for about eight years!
 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,apc.reg.safrica,sanet.talk.politics
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: Campus Fascists
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 08:58:50 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>This throws interesting light on the controversy surrounding the
>violence between the ANC and Inkatha. Here is a clearcut case of the
>ANC and its motley following initiating violence. And it *is* violence,
>similar to rape.

The thought that anyone could possibly compare such an incident
with rape horrifies me.  Leave your cheap politicking and get out
there into the real world, Gavan.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: saitowit@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (SAITOWITZ L S)
Subject: Africa cup
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:39:33 GMT

A hearty congratulations to Zambia for beating South Africa in our 
first appearance in the cup. It was a great game, hope to see you again next 
year.

Lesley Saitowitz :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: vamg6792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mpthirus)
Subject: UPI: Six killed in violence as EC delegates visit South Africa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:59:42 GMT



	JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (UPI) -- South African police Thursday
found the bodies of two men in the black township of Alexandra north of
Johannesburg only hours before the European Community delegation to
South Africa visited the area.
	The delegation consisting of British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd,
Danish Foreign Minister Uffe Ellemann-Jensen and Portugal's Secretary of
State for Cooperation Jose Manuel Barroso toured the township and met
with the local Dispute Resolution Committee.
	The delegation, on a two day fact-finding mission, was expected to
try and find ways to end the ongoing violence wracking the country and
to bring about the resumption of peace talks.
	Meanwhile, police said Thursday that apart from the two killed in
Alexandra another four people were killed in politically motivated
unrest around the country.
	An off-duty police officer and a court translator were killed when
unknown gunmen opened fire on guests at a restaurant at Ngwelezana
township in the Northern Natal region. Six others were injured.
	A man was hacked to death near Katlehong, a township east of
Johannesburg, while a fourth was killed in Manguang, near Bloemfontein,
250 miles south of Johannesburg. He too had been hacked to death.
From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen)
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Date:  1 Sep 92 04:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pretoria, South Africa

femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:

>Another idiotic posting from UCT as usual. It makes one wonder what
>kinds of people are in S.Africa's white universities when this
>supposedly "integrated" university has people with such mindsets.

>Femi.

And then I thought MIT had some kind of reputation.....













Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: vamg6792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mpthirus)
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:38:14 GMT

mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>country's composition.  The ANC... has more Jews than than the AWB and die
>CP combined... more indians than Inkatha and AWB combined... and more

Used to. Many Jews that in the old days supported the goals of the ANC
are now very much opposed to the ANC, due to its tactics of fomenting
violence.  Many of the Jewish community even rail at the mention of
Nadine Gordimer, these days.

Times change, parties change, and so do alliances.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Somali/OAU/Cry Babies/...
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:29:09 GMT
Organization: Spaceship Enterprise
Summary: 42 

Tch, tch, tch ... Don't be so hard on the OAU; it serves as our repository 
for speeches full of noble sentiments.  

I suggest that people extend their "fax attck" to cover African Embassies, 
High Commissions, etc. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS: MALI: IMF approves three-year packa
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:25:29 GMT

Title: MALI: IMF approves three-year package for 90 million dollars


washington, aug 28 (ips) -- the international monetary fund (imf)
announced here friday that it had approved a 90-million-dollar
loan to be disbursed over the next three years in support of
mali's economic reform programme.

the funds will be drawn from the enhanced structural adjustment
facility (esaf), the fund's concessional window for the world's
poorest countries.  loans under the facility carry an interest
rate of 0.5 percent.

mali began implementing a structural reform programme with imf
help in 1989.  after two years of five percent growth, however,
civil unrest beginning in early 1991 brought the growth rate down
to a negative 0.2 percent that year.

following elections widely regarded as fair and successful last
spring, the new government of president alfa omar konare adopted a
medium-term adjustment programme covering the period jul. 1992 to
jun. 1995.

the fund said the programme aims at a growth rate of almost six
percent in 1992 and four percent next year and a reduction in
inflation to 2.5 percent over the period.

in addition, a new labour code and procedures for establishing
new firms will be enacted and remaining price controls lifted,
according to the fund which said public enterprises will be
privatised or restructured.

the new government also hopes to construct a safety net for
those most affected by the adjustment process, including public
sector workers who lose their jobs. (end/ips/ne/jl/yjc/92)




-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Freedom of Expression
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:02:52 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <g91h7029.715502068@alpha.ru.ac.za> g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za (Wayne Humphries) writes:
>are rich men. The black is tribal and in his heart understands only the idea of tribal
>chief and witchdoctor. This feeling is pursued even in urban africa. Only a small
>percentage have fully assimmilated the culture of the white.


which is fortunate, because so much of white south african culture 
is repugnant to every civilized human being.






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From: philip@ziggy.stanford.edu (Philip Machanick)
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP
Reply-To: philip@ziggy.stanford.edu (Philip Machanick)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:07:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.201738.6102@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za  
(Gavan Tredoux) writes:
> There used to be TWO ANCs in Natal, one
> split off in the direction of Zulu nationalism (John Dube's bunch) and
> the other remained affiliated to the national body (Luthuli and co.).

I thought these two were from completely different eras - Dube from the very  
early history of the ANC and Luthuli from the defiance / mass action period in  
the 50s. I could be wrong since I don't have my books with me.

There has indeed been a long history of regionalism in the Natal ANC but it is  
not clear from what I have read that the party ever completely split. It is  
misleading to see this as similar to the present ANC-Inkatha rivalry because  
the current ANC is very different from the organization of the first half of  
this century, and it is not clear that Inkatha's claim to inheritance of the  
ANC legacy is valid. To more properly pursue this issue would require analysis  
of the basis on which Inkatha organizes and the reasons for the earlier  
regionalism.

It is simplistic to attribute Natal separatism to simple Zulu-Xhosa rivalry.  
The early ANC cannot be described as Xhosa dominated with executive members and  
leaders like Sol Plaatje (Setswana), John Dube (Zulu) and Albert Luthuli  
(Zulu).

Trying to analyze the entire conflict on the basis of ethnicicty is like trying  
to diagnose all car faults with a voltmeter. With suitable ingenuity, you can  
probably diagnose all electrical faults, but you will be hard pressed to  
diagnose a flat tyre with this gadget. Widen your range of tools and you will  
be more likely to arrive at a useful diagnosis.
--
Philip Machanick
philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: unity and other myths
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 19:57:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <01 Sep 1992 21:08> Robertc. Moldenhauer (5:7104/2) said to All :

 RM>I, for one, have never seen the words for Die Stem or Nkosi 
 RM>Sikeleli i'Africa
 RM>in English.  Maybe someone could post an English translation of 
 RM>the two songs
 RM>and we could judge for our selves wether either or both of them 
 RM>are exclusive.

Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika
Maluphakanisw' udumo lwayo
Izwa imithandazo yethu
Nkisi sikelela, thina lusapho lwayo
Woza Moya, woza, woza
Woza Moya oyinNcwele..

Lord bless Africa
May her honour (horn) be exalted
Hear our prayer
Lord bless, we are your inheritance
Come Spirit, come, come
Come Holy Spirit.

Die Stem van Suid-Afrika

Uit die blou van onse hemel, uit die diepte van ons see
Oor ons ewige gebergtes waar die kranse antwoord gee
Deur ons ver verlate vlaktes met die kreun van ossewa
Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, van ons land Suid-Afrika
Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, ons sal offer wat jy vra
Ons sal lewe, one sal sterwe, ons vir jou Suid-Afrika..

From the blue of our heavens, from the depths of our sea
Over our eternal mountains where the crags echo
Across our far-flung plains with the creaking of ox waggons
sounds the voice of our beloved, of our land South Africa
We will respond to your call, we will give what you ask
we will live or we will die, we are yours South Africa.

Accuracy not guaranteed. I've typed both from memory, and translated both on 
the fly. 

"Nkosi silelele" is usually sung with a Sotho song "Morena boloka sechaba sa 
heso" (God bless our nation), but I don't know Sotho, and so can't translate 
it. 

"Die stem" has three more verses, but I don't think I can remember them all. 
There is also an official English translation in verse, but it's kitsch and 
banal and I don't know it, nor do I want to.

It was interesting that at the Zambia-South Africa soccer match last Sunday 
the Zambian team all joined in singing their national anthem with some vigour. 
It has the same tune as Nkosi sikeleli, but the words are something like

Stand and sing of Zambia proud and free
land of work and joy in unity
victors in the stuggle for the right
We've won freedom's fight
All one strong and free.

Can't guarantee that I remember them correctly either, but many decades ago 
(28 years ago to be precise) when I was a student at the University of Natal, 
all the Zambian students there were given an independence package, with a 
flag, and a copy of the national anthem.

But back to the Zambia-South Africa soccer match - only one of the South 
African team had his mouth open for the singing of Nkosi sikelele. The rest 
stood and looked around them. THey played like they sang. Maybe there's a 
connection.

= Steve




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From: gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: IPS: SOUTH AFRICA: FIVE MINISTERS NOW IM
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

>Title: SOUTH AFRICA: FIVE MINISTERS NOW IMPLICATED IN GONIWE MURDER
>an inter press service feature
>by eddie koch

>johannesburg, aug 20 (ips) -- the 1985 assassination of an
>anti-aparthied veteran, matthew goniwe, continues to haunt
>president frederick de klerk with five of his cabinet ministers
>now implicated in the debacle.

>the crisis was intensified this week by the murder of an
>informant who had given the media evidence of army involvement
>in the assassination of goniwe.

An interesting addendum to this is the fact the police had arrested a
number of people (4?) in connection with the murder, two of whom are MK
(Umkhonto we Sizwe) members - confirmed by the ANC.  Wonder if the whole
truth will ever be revealed.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:41 PDT
Subject: Somalia food news
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700090:000:2135
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 28 10:41:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalia food news

/* Written  5:39 am  Aug 28, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:reg.africa */
/* ---------- "Somalia food news" ---------- */
Morning Edition, National Public Radio, reports this morning that the
145,000 tons of food ordered by President Bush to go to Somalia will
not reach that country until December.

Thus this food cannot count as part of that needed to keep millions of
Somalians from starving by Christmas.

Some additional food is being flown in by the World Food Program.  I
believe the amount is 5000 tons.

I spoke yesterday with a representative of the International Committee
for the Red Cross, Ann Stingle.  She said the need now is 60,000 tons of food
a month.  The current supply is 20,000 tons a month, and US additional
aid is expected to add something to that, but how much is not sure.

I also am uncertain as to the source and amount of food that starts to
go into Somalia today on US planes--four flights will carry 9 1/2 tons of
beans, rice, and cooking oil.  whether this is additional food or exiting
existing supplies that can be moved into Somalia on Pentagon planes is
unclear.

In addition, the commander of the US military personnel there says that in view
of the fact that his soldiers are to be unarmed at Somali request, he will
pull out if a single soldier is killed.  This seems totally reasonable to
me, but it opens up another pitfall for somalian aid.

I think we need to keep trying to find out the real facts, so that if
the whole thing rolls back down hill (for example, if public attentio
turns away, and governments just stop shipping additional food) we
can publicize these facts.  The old hamburger commercial used to ask
"Where's the beef?"  I think that in the case of somalia, we should
keep asking, "Where's the food?'

It seems to me that we can consider this problem solved not when governments
announce what they are going to do, but when relief agencies in Somalia say,
"We are finally getting an adequate flow of food and we are confident it
will continue."

There are high hopes for the present initiative, but concerns remain.
Dorothy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:16 PDT
Subject: Re: Somali/OAU/Cry Babies/...
Nf-ID: #R:BtEuoM.KJ6@comp.vuw.ac.nz:1419200645:cdp:1471700088:000:202
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 28 05:16:00 1992


Hi Amos--there has been some attempt to call African missions to the UN.

Can you give us an idea of the sort of thing people should say--that
which in your opinion would be most helpful?
Dorothy Morse

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: vamg6792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mpthirus)
Subject: UPI: Kenya urges aid for Somalia and Africa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:28:11 GMT



	JAKARTA, Indonesia (UPI) -- Kenyan President Daniel Toroitich arap Moi
issued an urgent appeal to the international community Wednesday to help
ease mass starvation in Somalia and economic devastation throughout the
African continent.
	Speaking at the 10th Non-Aligned Movement summit, Moi said plunging
foreign investment, growing protectionism in the West, a prolonged
drought and political turmoil were ravaging Africa.
	Moi said attempts by African governments and multilateral
institutions to foster development had been crippled by foreign debt
servicing, which he said amounted to $25 billion annually.
	``On average, the people of Africa live on or below the poverty line,
'' he said. ``They cannot afford to repay the debt while at the same
time survive.''
	Moi called for more aid to ease the plight of millions of people
caught in the middle of Somalia's more than 4-year-old conflict.
	``Up to 75 percent of the nearly 7 million Somalian people...have
died or are facing sudden death due to hunger,'' he said. ``I want to
appeal to all the people of good will everywhere to come to the aid of
the suffering in Africa, especially in Somalia.''
	The United Nations said Monday it would send another 79,200 tons of
food to the starving country. It previously committed 75,900 tons, about
half of which has been delivered.
	U.N. officials said one ton of food was enough to feed about 2,000
people for one day.
	Despite U.N. and other international aid efforts, relief officials
say up to 1,000 people, most of them children, die each day from
starvation in Somalia.
	While most Non-Aligned delegates have expressed concern over alleged
human rights abuses by Serbian forces against Bosnian Muslims in what is
left of war-shattered Yugoslavia, only a handful have mentioned the
crisis in Somalia.
	The summit groups leaders of 108 developing countries and movements.
It runs from Sept. 1 to 6.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: tonyp@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Tony Putman)
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:55:20 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.120033.202521@uctvax.uct.ac.za>
>  hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>> [deleted]
>
>Another idiotic posting from UCT as usual. It makes one wonder what
>kinds of people are in S.Africa's white universities when this
>supposedly "integrated" university has people with such mindsets.

I'd really rather you wrote "Another idiotic posting from Hulley as usual."
I'm afraid all kinds of people are in S.Africa's universities (same as
elsewhere), but a couple of the more dismal sort enjoy posting long diatribes
to s.c.a.  I suggest you do what most of us do - ignore them or put them
in your kill file.  A few brave souls have tried to open discussion with
them, but they are more interested in scoring points than conversing.

>Femi.

P.S.  UCT is not yet "integrated", in the sense that the overwhelming
majority of students are still "white".  This is due both to the dreadful
education dished out to "blacks" (shit, I hate talking in terms of race) and
to the high cost of university education.

-- 
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  tonyp@ucthpx.uct.ac.za   :  On either side of the political fence."
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