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From: jr55+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jyothi Rengarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: CITY OF JOY:my opinion
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:29:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.odvQRgi00WBL84vHUX
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   I sat through Roland Joffe's City of Joy at Pittsburgh and felt anger
and irritation among other things. It is, not surprisingly, a
condescending, patronising and self-important depiction, loosely based
on Lapiere's novel of the same name.

    The film was made with a glaring lack of sensitivity and
understanding of India. It is sad that even after 500 years of contact
with our civilization, the western psyche cannot come to terms with an
iota of what makes up our subcontinent. Joffe has made the not uncommon
blunder of earnestly believing that he understands poverty and
suffering, that he can feel the pulse of the 'real' India, that he can
discern the hope and love and the human bonding that triumphs through
the murkiness of the, I quote from the film, "cesspool of a country". He
proceeds to tell his tale of love and woe through terrible stereotypes,
cliches and nauseating moralizing. He romanticises poverty and gives us
a glimpse of the "purity' and 'uplifting' qualities it fosters.  The
fact the the film appeared to have been shot largely in the studio did
not help in establishing credibility.

    Swayze as the young, dis-spirited American doctor who finds a reason
to live from experiencing life on the edge at the city of joy is
hopelessly miscast. Collins, as the wonder-woman, dedicated to uplifting
the destitute and downtrodden, determined to change centuries of
tradition and superstition with amazing zeal is simply not believable.
Her dialogues are ridden with cliches and dripping sentiments. Together,
they help save the 'passive' inhabitants of the slum from the clutches
of the evil godfather, played by Art Malik, who goes around cutting up
women's faces with a blade for fun. And of course there were the usual
sub-plots about dowry and saving up every possible paisa for the sweet
beti.   
    Personally, I was surprised that Swayze was passable. However, he
cannot help that he looks ridiculous in a 'serious' role. From his
recent interviews it is obvious that he considers himself to be quite a
hero to have survived India and the much publicised bomb-attack during
the protests in Calcutta. The only real acting was displayed by the
various Indians of the cast. Om Puri and Shabana Azmi maintained their
good standards.
   
   The film has all the ingredients of a good masala movie except that
it tries to make a POINT, you see. About India, about Poverty, about
Love, Salvation, Hope, Inner Strength, about Adversity; about Good and
Evil, the former of course triumphing over the latter. Hurrah for the
poor rickshaw puller Hasari and his brave little family! Hurrah for the
lepers! Hurrah for dear Joan and a BIG Hurrah for our dashing,
hot-blooded doctor who finds the meaning of life through all of the
above. How deep, how profound. We, as Indians should all be grateful to
Joffe for teaching us these important lessons about our country.
From: anantk@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India.gif
Date: 17 Apr 1992 13:17:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

I am flooded with requests for a copy of the colormap of india that
rajiv from mitre.org advertised on soc.culture.indian.

i would like to request everybody not to mail me for the map but
to mail rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (i hope i have the address right)
and save some net bw (that is precious, believe me).

i am waiting for a copy of the map from rajiv myself.
thanks
my apologies for any inconveniences to anybody.
-anant
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: spm1@rruxc.uucp (25674-owens)
Subject: Re: Saam bhai v/s FART-FUT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:43:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.214323.7715@news.Hawaii.Edu>, vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
> *Holy Cow was a phrase we used in Kindergarten in India. Looks like your first 
> *exposure to English was in Hawa Hawaii, Mr. Fatfut
> 
>    Kindergarten,eh ? Try again. "Holy Cow, senility at 40?"
>  
> >  BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH BLAH......FATFUT FATFUT FATFUT.
> >
> Futfuts refer to mine :-). 
> 
I am sorry for calling you FATFUT. I should've called you FART-FUT! 
You seem to FART on net more than anything else. Like a FART, your retaliation
has no MATTER either (it only stinks!). 
> 
> Just because I'm naked under my clothes???? Com'mon Siam, Go read your
>
Well you are naked on the net too, and we can that see you have no bone 
in your langot!
>
> Oxford for the meanings of "Porn" and "vengeance" ( Don't tell me you read
> those in kindergarten). Here's one guy   _hore-sing around.
>
Looks like you like *_hore-sing* & *_hore-licks* a lot. You've a machine named 
*WILIKI* too! 
Q. Mr Fartfut, what do you LIKI?
A. WE-LIKI your hole!! 
>  
> Where was your baptism (assuming they had such things in good old '56 :-)? 

Talking about your baptism, you had Brithmillah! and Rabbi Rosenfeld cut
off the whole thing!!

> 
> (as Wodehouse would say, "like a hyena with a bone stuck in its throat :-))

Grow up Mr. Vijay FART-FUT there's life beyond P.G.Wodehouse!!! (BTW we read
him in KG too!)

FATFUT was your name in KG! How did they let an *idiot* like you mingle with
such intelligent kids?


Shyam

P.S. Please continue your retaliation (FARTS!) on email. I had no intentions
on replying on s.c.i., you asked for it. I'm game for our private war, if that's
what you want.
From: sharmar@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Rohini Sharma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Madhushala
Summary: a verse from Dr. Harivanshrai Bachchan's _Madhushala_
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:54:32 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College, Easton


This is a verse from Dr. Harivanshrai Bachchan's 
famous poem _Madhushala_.  I can't recall any more
stanzas, so if anyone knows any more verses, 
feel free to add on to this or send them to me   
by email.  Enjoy...  
                       Rohini

___________________________________________________________________

                          Madhushala

                Dharm granth sub jala chuki ho
                  jiske anter ki jwala  |
   
                mandir masjid girje subko
                  todh chuka jo mutwala   ||

                pandit, momin, padriyon ke,
                  phandon ko jo kaat chuka  |

                kar sakti hai aaj usee ka 
                  swagat meri madhushala  ||
 


______________________________________________________________________

"...the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or
collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of
their number, is self-protection.  That the only purpose for which
power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized 
community, against his will is to prevent harm to others.  His own    
good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant."
                                John Stuart Mill,  _On Liberty_, 1849 
______________________________________________________________________
From: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Assistantship Available: ME at Columbia University
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:23:28 GMT
Reply-To: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Organization: Columbia University


  An experimental thermal sciences student (preferably with an MS) is 
  required to pursue a Ph. D. in Mech. Engg. at Columbia University.
  If you are not an experimentalist, you should be interested in becoming
	one.

 If you need more info call me or send me mail.

 Raghu
 (212) 666-5402 (H)
 (914) 359-2900 Ext. 667 (Work)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: CITY OF JOY ( Movie with Indian Actors )
From: anurag@numu.uucp (Anurag Shankar)
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:06:54 MST
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <92105.100316SXK125@psuvm.psu.edu> SXK125@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.83613.20991@ms.uky.edu>, naveen@ms.uky.edu (Naveen Goud)
>says:
>>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>Yesterday I saw the commercial of the movie , CITY OF JOY on the FOX
>>television
>>network. I think it is supposed to release soon probably next week or so.
>>
>>The reason I am interested in is there are some indian actors in it.
>>The main character is Patrick Swayze, and among the Indian actors I saw (in
>>the
>>commercial) Ms. Shabana Azmi, Mr. Amrish Puri. I think this film may have been
>>shot in India or in indian sub-continent.
>>
>>Thanks ,
>>
>>- Naveen
>
>       If I am correct this film was shot in Calcutta.  There was some
>problem in Calcutta during its shooting.  Some organizations protested and
>the shooting was suspended for quite sometime.
>Susmit Kumar

Well, it so happens that I attended a special preview of this movie last
night here at the Univ. of Arizona.  The film "City of Joy" was almost 
entirely shot in Calcutta, and stars Patrick Swayze, Om Puri, Shabana Azmi,
and numerous other indian actors/actresses.  The movie is based on a novel
by Dominique Lapierre (of "Freedom at Midnight" fame), however, the screenplay
only captures the essence of the novel (it has changed the details quite
substantially).  I highly recommend the novel - it is quite uplifting.
The main character in the novel is a polish priest who opts to live among
the slums of Calcutta, and a rickshaw puller.  In the movie, they have changed
the main characters to an angry american doctor (played by Patrick Swayze), 
probably because the american audience can relate to something in the movie, 
and the rickshaw puller.

The performances by the actors/actresses are quite good (including even
Patrick Swayze!).  The movie overall is quite good, though I would have 
preferred to see a more faithful reproduction of the novel.

I also happened to catch Patrick Swayze on a late night show a few weeks ago,
where he stated that there were protests early on against the movie (and that
homemade bombs were thrown on the set with the intent only of scaring the 
crew as against injuring them).  He said that these protests slowly diminished
because, as he observed, "people realized that we were doing a good thing".

Anurag
From: singh@smcl410.smkt (Ramandeep Singh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: information
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:32:07 GMT
Reply-To: singh@smcl410.smkt
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Hi guys/gals :-),

	I was in a debate with another guy about the number of people on the net who believe that all the miracles/supernatural stuff attributed to saints/prophets etc., that is claimed in religious books really happened. If people do how can these events/happenings be explained in terms of present day science. Could you please post specific examples and support for these events on the net. I would really like to see how people from different religions who are exposed to all that we know in this time and age, exp




lain and believe what is claimed in the holy books.

jus curious,
Pradeep
From: sridhar@cluster.cs.su.oz.au (Sridhar S Iyer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: To be or not To be (soc.culture.tamil)
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:14:10 GMT
Reply-To: sridhar@cluster.cs.su.oz.au (Sridhar S Iyer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

> chandras@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Chockanath R Chandrasekar) writes...
> One need not scan through all the articles to find the right article (!).

But why you do need to scan all the articles. If the title is
Tamil kavithai (poems), Tamil songs etc, with a bit of organisation
is it not possible to write a filter to weed out the so-called
unwanted articles. 

Of course, no one gives a damn if a new newsgroup is formed or not,
but such reasons given to start a newsgroup shows shall we say
immaturity. (No offence meant, but that is how I see it. Then again,
who cares).

Sridhar
From: chandras@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Chockanath R Chandrasekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: To be or not To be (soc.culture.tamil)
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:41:12 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


After reading all the articles for and against soc.culture.tamil, I am
really in a confused situation.  Is it wrong to have a separate group for
tamils? I do not think so. But if every part of a country started to have a
group what will happen? Disaster!?! 

The advantages(?) of having a separate group is that people of that
region can post in their own language (transileteration to English), can
pin point issues and discuss about it (Like What movie is running at
Devi theatre in Mount Road, Madras :), can flame each other in their own
language (how convenient!) and some may try to spread hard core regionalism
("Vadakku Vaikirathu Thedku Theikirathu, Namakku Vendum Thani Naadu").  But
on the other hand, one can read Tamil kavithai (poems), Tamil songs, discuss
Tamil novels, etc. One need not scan through all the articles to find the
right article (!).  The newsgroup, if formed, will create a strong binding
among Tamilians all over the world, but at the cost of what? People moving
away from SCI (mainstream)?  I donot think many peple have time to read more
than one newsgroup.

Reading more and more articles for and against, I think many more are
confused like me, to say Yes to the group or not to.

To be or not to be.  Hope to be in a clear state by next posting! 

-- 
-Chandra                  "Loved Pascal, married C and going out with C++"
chandras@csgrad.cs.vt.edu
From: 880478s@ace.acadiau.ca (CHARLES STRICKLAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: study in India
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:43:28 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


 I post this notice in the hope that someone in this group can be of 
assistance to me, am very interested in doing a M.A. in Sociology in either 
Bombay or Madras and wouldappreciate it if anyone reading this could 
recomend some good schools. Focus of study/research would be social and 
economic development. At present I am completing my undergrad here in Nova 
Scotia and am interested in grad study for 1993/94 term.
	If anyone can help please reply, thanks......
From: chidi@src.umd.edu (Chidi Subramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Tax Question...on Treaty..
Date: 15 Apr 1992 10:18:03 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi again .. I had asked you a question yesterday about taxes when
stay exceeds 2 years. My wife (who was exempted for the first 6
months of this year) called the Tax Treaty info line in DC : 
(202) 874-1540. The person manning (womanning actually) the line
told her that she would have to pay back the taxes. I said,
of course, I told you so.

My wife called back again after 5-10 minutes and one Mrs. Bennett,
who seemed to be quite sure of herself, said that if you have
a valid exemption for 2 years( which she checked for my wife by
going over the details: research at a public institution etc..) then,
you start owing taxes at the end of 2 years. NO BACK TAXES.

This is the confusion I had from reading the Treaty etc. If the 
exemption is valid only if visit is < 2 years then why word it as
follows: .... exempt from tax for a period not exceeding 2 years ...

and NOT:
if the stay does not exceed 2 years eligible to claim exemption ...

Well, all is not clear. But, I think, I know what we are going to
do.

Regards,
Sthan.
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Response to INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:59:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr10.144705.15758@gatech.edu> niru@cc.gatech.edu writes:
     
>For those of you who wanted to know why I chose to be anonymous,
      
>its not a question  of GUTS but for privacy (in Public !!).
>       ====================================================
                                         HUH !!
  
>					-New User (newuser@cc.gatech.edu)
  
Could you please elaborate on the difference between the two.

thanks,

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:14841 soc.culture.bangladesh:2537 soc.culture.pakistan:6730
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: III: Conflict: Causes
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:52:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr17.185257.14431
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr17.155151.28916@ssd.dl.nec.com> murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy) writes:
>
>I  suggest that perception will be stronger than
>reality. People are fed up with concessions and the
>shrill screams of the red-eyed fundamentalists across
>the border. Even with several aberrations, India, with
>all its problems has managed to do a lot more to push
>the secular idea than Pakistan or Bangladesh, which
>have no interest in anything other than Islam ruling
>every aspect of their lives. 

	You mean people have a perception of the "shrill screams
	of red-eyed fundamentalists" that is not really... real?
	Another perception that you seem to have is that Pakistan
	was to be a secular nation. Perhaps it's time
	to read some real history? By the way, are you content if
	India does a shade better (politically, economically, socially,..)
	than either Pakistan or Bangladesh, presumably your standard-
	bearers? Maybe it's time you looked hard into your smug, self-
	satisfied I-don't-hit-my-wife-as-hard-as-my-neighbor-
	hits-his-so-I'm-better attitude. 

>I found it amusing to read
>in India Abroad recently an appeal from some Muslim
>community to the Government of India asking them to
>preserve the secular nature of the nation. In the same
>breath they also ask to preserve Islamic personal law.
>
	Maybe you can define for us what secularism means to you.
	I certainly don't see anything amusing about this.

>People are fed up. Modern-day applied Islam comes
>across as separatist, shrill and hypocritical (yes,
>blame the West on the one hand while accepting
>the fruits of the same - scholarships, jobs which did
>not require a religious certification etc - things
>which by definition are not possibilities in their own
>countries for minorities).  No more pandering and upheavels.
>
	Oooh, the grand finale! If your article weren't so cliche'-
	ridden you might even have made a point.

						- Nagarajan
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ***** ???????????? ***************
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr12.200720.23196
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

>   There is a tree.
>  Nobody observes the tree.
>  Does the tree exist?

>  There is an electron.
>  Nobody observes it.
>  Does electron exist? 

  Boy, you just beat me to it. Iam halfway done with a poem about
the Schrodinger's cat ...Here's the first stanza anyway..

  I was reading, one dreary noon,
  About the Schrodinger's cat,
  About Quantum Ojectivity
  and strange things like that.

 Will complete this later. Anybody care to fill in?

-PB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil
Originator: vijay@newton.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:26:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.160334.13620@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>
>Any e-mail from you gets forwarded to Ram.Lakhan@crhl.bsl.ohio-state.edu 
>who has instructions to post it on  :-)
>
>George

Oh no! Not him, I know how polite he is in addressing people.:-)

Vijay.
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.133529.20569@ncsa.uiuc.edu> vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan) writes:

>Probably, but this is not George et al had to say. They were talking about
>posting personal email on the net. Apart from the fact that it is not
>appropriate to do that without permission from the sender, concern for
>other netters should be evaluated before doing this. as MTV folks would
>say, "Like we care."


I don't think that anyone is in a position to tell me or anyone else what
is or isn't appropriate. While I extend the courtesy of keeping e-mail
messages private to most persons it is *not* a privilege they can take
for granted. Sorry but there it is.

George

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz)
Subject: news: eight killed in planes crash in  india
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:50:00 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                    The Xinhua General Overseas News Service

                          Xinhua General News Service

The materials in the Xinhua file were compiled by The Xinhua News Agency. These
materials may not be republished without the express written consent of The
Xinhua News Agency.

                            APRIL  2, 1992, THURSDAY

eight killed in planes crash in  india

new delhi, april 2; ITEM NO: 0402065
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
   eight crew members of the indian air force aircraft were killed as two planes
crashed in  india's  northwest state of punjab on wednesday night.  the two an32
planes crashed in the air between booth garh and bhari villages in ludhiana
district, according to reports reaching here today.  a report said the accident
was caused by some technical snags.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: Response to Caucasian/Indian problem
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:45:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.101817.1422@cs.ruu.nl> jhelling@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Hellingman) writes:
>       I've contact with several Indian girls as pen-pal, and
>they differ as much from each other as they differ from Dutch girls, and
>I really cannot generalize.
>Jeroen Hellingman

     Your view comes as a refreshing change from the gross generalisations
we have seen recently on sci, eg., 99% of Indian men are ..., all Indian
feminist women are ..., etc.