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From: sefhelp@tamuts.tamu.edu (Steve Fuller)
Subject: Re: RE-Compression Software
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:17:34 GMT

In article <pxknqv#.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Jerry Wilcox says he's going to recommend DD/AD because he has good
>experience with that product. That is, of course, his right, but when
>he says there have been "various notes" from folks who don't think
>Stuffit Deluxe/Stuffit Space Saver is a better product, I have to say
>that my understanding of the facts is different.

You understanding must be somewhat flawed. :) There HAVE been several notes
from several different people reporting bugs/problems with SD/SS.
>
>I've been using the released product for a few weeks now, and
>have had no problems with SD/SSS. I tried one case where I booted

None? How Remarkable! I have had lots of problems until I got the SD 3.0.2 
updater from sumex. The problems/bugs I had are now gone.
>
>Thus I conclude that the one user whose message reported problems
>was using the product improperly--he had SSS files on one machine
>and tried to read them on a second machine which did not have
>SSS or SD (comparable version) installed.

Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. You conclusion is incorrect. SD 3.0.1 and SS 1.0
had problems/bugs. SD 3.0.2 and SS 1.0.1 seem much more stable.

>
>As for complaints, anyone who has been following the history of AD/DD
>will recall many tens of complaints and long threads on Compuserve as
>the product went through one upgrade after another. It has been
>upgraded yet again. This is not necessarily an unmitigated bad
>thing--some say the frequent upgrades show the vendor's responsiveness
>to bug reports. Fair enough. Nevertheless from what I've seen the
>number of bug reports to date (proven or not) about SD/SSS is
>microscopic compared to those of AD/DD in the past, at a comparable
>stage of development.

Agreed. (Although Aladdin has been working on SD3/SS for a LONG time....)

>SD/SSS. If speed is important, I find AD/DD much slower. On the basis
>of features and convenience I find SD/SSS head and shoulders above
>AD/DD. My own choice is SD/SSS, which I recommend unhesitatingly, after
>having used both products. 

Only having tried SS, this is good news.


To all the people trying to avoid the 'bleeding'-edge of technology:

StuffIt Deluxe 3.0.2 and StuffIt SpaceSaver 1.0.1 now seem stable.

Steve Fuller
sef3179@tamsun.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: Re: news
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:00:32 GMT

Hmm... regarding the article, "All Jews should be shot" posted by Mary
Hicks:

Uhh, why is this here? At the least, it seems like some kind of mistake
-- mistaken newsgroup, accidentally ommited quotes and commentary, or
"It's a mistake that this person was born."... hmm.

I'm not too keen on the Israeli treatment of Palestinians myself, but
blanket statements like "All jews should be shot in the head"... hmm.

-- puzzled.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Apple breaks promise? MODE32 not in 7.1?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:00:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.165956.1696@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>,
temple@ucbeh.san.uc.edu wrote:
> 
> An earlier letter posted by someone indicated that MODE32 would not be
> integrated into sys 7.1. Presently, MODE32 is a hack that Apple 

Presumably, the System 7 engineers endorse MODE32, otherwise Apple would
not have licensed it.  I'm not sure how you define a hack, but it is likely
that much of the same code that exists in MODE32 would exist in a builtin
solution.

> intention to integrate MODE32 into a future version of the system
> software. I'm still waiting for Apple to make good on this.

That's true.  But I don't think Apple promised that in System 7.1.  What
was supposed to be in System 7.1 came about because of rumors.  

(The same it true of builtin ATM.  Some people assumed that this would be
in System 7.1 and accused Apple of breaking their promise when it wasn't.)

It's a separate issue whether you believe Apple will eventually follow
through on its promise eventually.  

I suppose Apple could hack together something to install the existing
MODE32 under some different name, or something.  But what's the point? 
That wouldn't make any substantive change in the current situation (except
for ensuring that everyone has MODE32).

The fact that it's not in 7.1 doesn't really surprise me.  My understanding
of System 7.1 is that it will enable Apple to distribute future system
software in a more modular fashion.  In that case, it's more important to
get the framework out in a timely manner, than it is to add any particular
feature to System 7.1.  Especially in this case, when MODE32 seems to work
perfectly well as it exists.

>         What's the difference?  It's a support issue, as I see it.

There's no question that having the capability in the system would be
better, and this is a major reason why.  But I don't know that Apple has
committed to building it into a future System 6, so System 6 users will
still have to rely on MODE32.

>         You may not agree, but the argument is easy to follow: code 
> that is directly supported by Apple will more likely to maintain

I don't think Apple would be distributing MODE32 if they didn't think it
would continue to work.  In that sense, Apple is supporting it because they
have officially sanctioned it.

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
From: Scott_Macrae@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Macrae)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: After Dark+Quicktime
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:34:36 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

After being unable to access the After Dark contol panel following initial
installation, I reshuffled my Inits. The culprit appeared to be Quicktime. It
isn't a big deal to turn it off with the Extension Manger but I wonder if this
apparent conflict has been resolved with updates to either After Dark or
Quicktime. Anyone had a similar experience, or know about a fix?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek)
Subject: Re: Prolog wanted for the Mac
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:08:49 GMT

In article <87589@netnews.upenn.edu> breck@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Breck Baldwin) writes:
>Would folks be kind enough to reccomend decent prologs for the Mac.
>MacConnections says there are none currently available, but I hope
>that they are just misinformed.

They probably just mean that they have none available.  Their
salespersons are generally well-informed, but can't be expected to
know a lot about products they don't carry.

AAIS Prolog is excellent but expensive--I think it's currently about
$300.  (I have an older version that does not run under System 7, and
have decided not to upgrade, since I seldom use Prolog at home any more.)
This is available from APDA.

LPA Prolog is flashier, with neat tools, but the authors really don't
understand about large programs.  We tried it here at work, and it
couldn't handle the job we needed it for (just one example: there is
no way to increase atom space beyond 32K). If you are only interested
in small to medium programs, this might suit your needs.  I believe
Quintus bought this, but I'm not sure -- try sales@quintus.com or
415-813-3800.

Open Prolog is a shareware program, still pretty much under
development.  I looked at it briefly, and it looked like a good start,
but still had a long ways to go.  Available from sumex. (Sorry, I
don't have a full path name.)

MacProlog is a commercial product, with a demo version available at
sumex. (Again, I don't have a full path name.)  I looked at it only
briefly, and it looked somewhat confusing; but this was just a quick
impression, not to be relied upon.

There are older products called ExperProlog and Prolog II.  I looked
at these fairly carefully a couple of years ago.  I thought they were
nasty.

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are interested in using Prolog to develop
commercial software or shareware, you MUST look into licensing a
runtime system that you can distribute.  Due to the nature of Prolog
(which contains a full Prolog interpreter as part of the language),
this is much trickier than with other languages, and many Prolog
implementations will not support it.  You can license such a system
for AAIS Prolog, but it's very expensive.  Unfortunately, this makes
Prolog a very bad choice for small-scale commercial programming
:-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  .

Anyone out there care to fill in the gaps in the above, or supply more
recent information?

   -- dave

-- 
And the President put his hand on my shoulder and said: "Dan, 
I _knew_ Spiro Agnew.  He was a friend of mine.  And Dan...  
You're no Spiro Agnew!"
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle pwd
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From: dr_mcgee@pnl.gov (David R. McGee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: printing bombs
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:44:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Pacific Northwest Laboratory

Serious problems occuring on our network here, as of late. Printing
problems
from assorted different applications (Word 5.0a, WordPerfect 2.0.4, ccmail
2.0 [known]) resulting in printing errors, printing hangs and system hangs.
Configurations are as follows. System 7.01 w/tune-up 1.1.1, and ATK
upgrade; Quadras, ci's, cx's; SAM intercept, Network SuperVisor, and
KeyAccess (KeyServer chooser device). Systems running in 32-bit mode.
Problems consistently occur and are reproduceable when printing and
multiple applications are running. There are at least 6 machines with
similar problems. The one that I am focussing on today also had ChooserUser
1.2, BroadCast 2.0, SuperClock 3.9.1.

I already increased the printmonitor's memory allocation. I haven't yet
disabled background printing.

P.S. Any further news on Aliens4?

David R. McGee
Network Manager
Battelle Northwest
Pacific Northwest Laboratory
Battelle Boulevard, M/S K1-88
Richland, WA 99352
(509)375-6994
fax  375-6631
ALINK drmcgee
internet dr_mcgee@pnl.gov
From: eric@bcserv.wustl.edu (Hugo (Eric))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Printer drivers (System 7.0) for HP plotters
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:19:26 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcserv.wustl.edu
Keywords: HP plotters/sytem 7.0 drivers

Dear Netters,
     Does anyone know of an FTP site or source of a System 7
compatible device driver for Hewlett-Packard 747X series plotters?
We have a HP clone plotter (6 pen) that was recently networked
that I'd like to access from the Mac Classic in our lab.  Unfortunately
I've been unable to reach the manufacturer of said plotter.  If anyone
knows where I can obtain a driver please email the information.  I
will gladly forward information to interested parties.
               Thanks                             Eric ;-{)
-- 
  Eric R. Hugo, Postdoctoral Research Associate |eric@bcserv.wustl.edu
  Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics|                
  Washington University School of Medicine      |               
  Box 8231, St. Louis, MO 63110_________________| (314) 362-3342
From: mpinkert@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Snowden )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory Problems w/ Sys 7.0
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:55:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug28.153221.13515@puma.ATL.GE.COM> ljones@andrew.ATL.GE.COM (LeRoy E Jones) writes:
>
>I have System 7.0 running on a IIcx, 4MB RAM, and with MODE32. I just
>tried to use the virtual memory feature, and had several problems. I 
>turned on 32 bit processing, and enabled MODE32, and increased the
>*total* memory to 12MB.
>
>1) Although the memory control panel says 'total memory,' the entire
>12MB seemed to be subtracted from my hard drive, ignoring the 4MB of
>real RAM I have.
>

THis is normal, and Sys7 DOES recognize the 4 megs you have. It
keeps a copy of ALL of memory on the hard drive and then moves
chunks in as they are needed, using the 4megs to store as much as
possible before having to go to the disk again. i.e, the more memory
you have, the less you will have to go back to the HD for what are
called "memory misses." 

Sorry I can't help you with the rest....

mike

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Apple breaks promise? MODE32 not in 7.1?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:55:43 GMT

Brian Kendig writes

> But I think Apple's doing a bad thing by not putting it into 7.1.
> Sure, it can be ftp'ed for free, but your average Mac-owner doesn't
> have access to ftp, and may not even know MODE32 is available for free.

True.. I wanted to interject one thing on this thought, if no one objects:
I was glancing through a MacZone (I think) catalog I got yesterday and  
noticed that ATM is still being sold for $99! If Apple has bought it, and  
Adobe is 'giving' it away, why are they still selling it for $99, other then  
the fact that most Mac users probably aren't aware of this yet, of course. :)
From: hise@iastate.edu (Allan R Hise)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System on RAM disk
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:35:49 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Would there be a significant performance advantage to having your system files
on a RAM disk?  If so, how would one transfer control to the system files that
you just put on your RAM disk as opposed to the ones on your hard drive?

Can this be done automatically at startup?  (that is the copying of system 
files and transfer of control)


Thinking of ways to use my new 12 MB of memory, 
Allan
hise@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: simon@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Simon Hayman)
Subject: DOS Mounter, LC & System 7
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: University of Sydney
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:18:59 GMT

After installing the latest version of DOSMounter on an LC running System 7
(minimal set of inits,etc) the network zones disappeared in the Chooser.
After a little bit of "extensions management" it was obvious that
DOSMounter was to blame. Renaming it as zDOSMounter and taking it OUT of
the Control Panels folder got it to load last and the problem went away.
Similar configurations on other, non-LC, Macs do not have this problem
(although DOSMounter can be a bit "touchy"). Any thoughts?
From: chuck@nimbus.drexel.edu (Wombozni Klik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: AUX edu price/availability
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:45:13 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Drexel University Department of Physics
X-Posted-From: nimbus.physics.drexel.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Those of you at educational institutions, could you tell me if your
campus sells AUX, and if so, what kind of educational discount do you
get?
I haven't seen AUX on any of Drexel's price lists, and now that I have
a IIci, I am suddenly much more interested in AUX (excuse me, I am as
much a unix-er as a mac-ie...)

Chuck

Chuck Browne
Drexel University Department of Physics
chuck@nimbus.physics.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Mike Alexander <Mike.Alexander@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Disappearing icons for alias residing on another drive
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:37:04 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, ITD-Research Systems
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C53B1F58012103@via.dsf4.merit.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:33:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.172354.11257@colorado.edu> John R. Cary,
cary@jove.Colorado.EDU writes:
>Yet my disappearing icons problem remains.  It occurs only to files
>which reside on a non-system volume, yet have aliases on the system
>volume (in the menu items folder).  Upon rebuild, the aliases are
good.
>After the next reboot without a rebuild, the alias icons revert to the
>generic type.  Moreover, the icons disappear on the volume where the
>original file resides.

This is very similar to a problem I had.  Ithink it was happening (in
my case at least) because the volumes on which the original files
reside were not mounted by the time the finder was building the
windows containing the aliases.  At any rate, the problem disappeared
when I installed SCSIProbe and told it to mount all volumes at
startup.  Since then, I've never seen the generic icon for aliases
problem.

Mike Alexander              Internet:       Mike.Alexander@umich.edu
University of Michigan      America Online: MAlexander
ITD - Research Systems      AppleLink:      UMICH
From: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Anyone out there?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:24:33 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175 - The Associati, Grand Blanc MI

...or is my feed 'out to lunch'?


--  
=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
 Glen Stewart - Internet: Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven Grenander)
Subject: 7.x.x Finder Heap Allocation ?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:48:52 GMT

Since I switched to 7 I've had intermittent "Out of memory, try closing windows
or quitting applications" problems. Well, I'm not out of memory (or at least I
shouldn't be with close to 80Mbytes of RAM left). So I got a copy of SWATCH to monitor 
what was going on with the memory allocations, hoping to see the problem as it
occured.

What SWATCH (a pretty neat little app) showed was that the finder heap is the problem.
It is fixed at around 263K (or close to it, maybe it varies from machine to machine ?)
and sure enough, its free space which is usually around a measly 4K sometimes sinks
to 500 bytes, followed by the OOM message.

I should note that I haven't been able to determine exactly how the free space gets
chewed up. Sure, if I just start opening windows it starts disappearing, but if I 
re-boot with the windows already open the free space _seems_ to have largely returned
with the overall heap size staying constant. 

The system heap on the other hand is nicely self-adjusting, growing and shrinking
as needed, just as promised.

So, the question is how to increase the finder heap allocation to
make the problem less likely to occur. I tried ResEditing the Finder to increase the
allocation, but the system will not boot with the edited copy.

Any suggestions ?

-Sven
From: eksa02@castle.ed.ac.uk (P J Hutton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Mail program advice needed
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:15:57 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

If anyone can help here, I'd be grateful.

I'm looking for a Mac based mail package where the mail-server is
another Mac, but the server appears as a normal host to the outside
world.

Sorry, that's probably not very clear. I'm not looking for something
like Eudora, which uses a Unix host. I want to be able to use a Mac as
the server, but have that machine contact-able (by MacTCP or whatever)
and addressable by the outside world.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
Subject: Re: How do you zap PRAM under Sys7?
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:00:29 GMT

Is the Appletalk network/node also stored in this PRAM, or elsewhere?

		-John Kalucki
		johnk@gordian.com
From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 7 Tuner
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:27:58 -0500

Thanks to all the folks who e-mailed me about getting an 'official' copy of
Tuner 1.1.1.  I secured a copy on Saturday and all will be well.

Rick Zeman
From: janolov@cdg.chalmers.se (Jan-Olov Lantto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: WISH LIST (DO THESE EXIST?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:31:24 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Aug25.192055.1760@ncsu.edu> dnwhiteh@eos.ncsu.edu (DUANE N
WHITEHURST) writes:

>WISH 1: I'd like to be able to move a file from an open window to a particular
>sub-folder by just dragging the file over to the hard-disk icon (or any folder
>on the desktop)and having a menu of all the sub-folders pop up similar to the
>way beheirarch pops up menus and submenus for folders & nested folders under
>the apple menu...this way..instead of opening up the window for the hard-disk
>and the several layers down using a non-icon view, the menu would just pop up
>and I could bury the file in the harddisk from the desktop....
>
>??? DOES THIS FEATURE ALREADY EXIST SOMEWHERE ???
>
I would think that a combination of a "ham" and dropple menu would do the
trick.

ham = hiarchical apple menu
dropple menu = a shareware that lets you drop things into the apple menu.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: How to install 2 MAC OS on same Drive???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:57:28 GMT

The following has woirked fine for me...however, if anyone sees any problems
with this procedure (which I empahasize has worked on 20 + macs over the past
14 months) let me know.

Before upgrading to system 7, duplicate your system 6 folder.  Name  the 
copied System folder (the one without the Active System folder icon-- ie  the
folder without the  modular Mac on it's folder "System 6.0.x"  
(Hopefully the "x" is an 8 for laser printer driver 
compatibility.) name the active system folder with the Mac on it "System 
7.0.x".  

Install the System 7 update as usuall.

haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase) writes:

>I have System Picker but in the Read Me it does not say how to install
>2 Systems on the same drive. I have a MAC running 6.0.5 that I also want
>to install 7.0.1 on and then use System Picker.....Does someone have a
>painless way of doing this?????Thanks in advance.....

><==================================+==================================>
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