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From: kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Hindus in parliament
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:12:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Nov13.161201.774
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <NAEEM.92Nov7013830@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>
>Number of minorities in Bangladesh parliament
>
>Year		Total		Number of minorities
>1954		309		69	
>1973		315		10
>1979		315		06	
>1986		315		04
>1988		300		02
>
>[Source: Hindu Women's rights and family law in Bangladesh (Bengali), Dr.
> Nibedita Das PurKaostho; Narigrantha Publications]

Interesting statistics. One obvious conclusion that can be  drawn
here  is the continual decline in the percentage of minorities in
the Bangladesh parliament.

Only the percentage figure for 1954 (22%) appears to reflect  the
percentage  of  minorities in the general population. I am basing
my comments on the assumption that  the  term  "minorities"  here
refers  to Hindus. I don't have any references to back me up, but
I am under the impression that there was a quota  system  in  the
parliament  for  non-Muslim minorities during that time and which
was subsequently removed. This might account  for  the  equitable
distribution.

Another set of statistics in this context that  might  shed  more
light  on minority discrimination in Bangladesh would be one that
shows the percentage of minorities selected by mainstream politi-
cal  parties to participate in the elections. I think most Hindus
tend to associate with the Awami League, which they view  as  the
party most likely to protect their interests.

Another set of statistics that might be relevant here is the  ra-
tio  between  percentage  of  Hindus elected to the percentage of
Muslims elected for each  party's  candidates.  This  might  show
whether a voting bias based on religion exists or not.

There any many parameters that need to be factored into the equa-
tion.  Questions like the following need to be asked:

  1] What percentage of the Hindu population is entering politics
     in comparison with Muslims in Bangladesh? If there is a dis-
     crepancy, we need to ask why?

  2] What is the comparative professional/income/educational dis-
     tribution between the two groups? What accounts for the dis-
     crepancy if any exists?

  3] How have these distributions changed over the years?

>[Table does not make clear if 1954 figure is of unified Pakistan]
>--
>Naeem Mohaiemen

- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Benoy, Badal , Dinesh (was Re: Name changes again)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:06:11 GMT

In article <1dfb6uINNoqj@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
>		Name changes again
>
>  Another interesting case of renaming in Calcutta is Dalhousie Square which
>is now known as B.B.D. Bag. As you might guess, the initials stand for three
>freedom fighters (Benoy, Badal and Dinesh if I remember right) who tried
>to assassinate Lord Dalhousie.
>

Lord Dalhousie was the governor-general of India some time in the
nineteenth century whereas Benoy, Badal and Dinesh's daring attack 
on Writer's Building occurred in the 1930's.

Actually, Benoy et al intended to assassinate Inspector Tegart,
an infamous police agent with whom the revolutionaries in Bengal
had a long-standing feud. They failed to do this, although they
did succeed in assassinating Inspector Simpson. In general their
attack on Writer's Building was more of a symbolic act, the purpose
of which, as someone said, was "to beard the British lion in his 
den" (Writer's Building in Calcutta was the British administrative
headquarters in Eastern India).

Shubhecchante' ,

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.
From: hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Electrical Engineering
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:05:44 GMT
Reply-To: hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

Dear netters,

I need to write a research paper for my class. I am doing it on career
in electrical engineering. I need a profesional engineer to answer me the 
follwing questions:

1.Name
2.Adress, something about you and your company
3.Currently working on?
4.like your job?
5.if you were given a chance to start from scratch, what career would you
  choose?
6.Is your salery over $50,000 annual.
7.Are you a happy man/woman?
8.What do you think are the future prospects for electrical engineers in
bangladesh, in USA, in the world at large.

All help rendered shall greatly be appreciated and acknowledged.

Sincerely,

Ashraf Hakim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Hindus in parliament/discrimination
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:00:06 GMT
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In article <1992Nov7.233632.1@engvms.unl.edu> mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:


   In 1990 the number is 7. one is elected with the ticket of
   Ershad's Jatio Party.
----

Thank you for the updated information. But I hope that people will not simply
respond to these posts by updating the stats. The point of the last two posts
was to get discussion started on the status of minorities in Bangladesh
and state apparatus that further discrimination against them.

It strikes me that whenever someone brings up the issue of minority 
discrimination in Bangladesh, it is often brushed aside with the thought
that "it is not as bad as in India", etc. The subcontinent's record on human
rights is hardly a standard to be measured against. In the last few months,
I have seen great outpourings of sympathy on various boards for Bosnians.
Meanwhile our own people have been perpetrating genocide in the Chittagong
Hill Tracts for the last two decades. This has merited hardly any mention on
scb in recent months.

I hope to see some constructive discussions start on these topics.

--
Naeem Mohaiemen
216-774-1993
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From: kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: What is the big deal!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Shakil,
	Either answer the survey or don't, who cares. I certainly don't give a
hoot whether you answer or not. Why this big debate? All this fuss to get
Shakil to response? Wow, he must a real cool dude, just because he contributes
half the articles in scb, I wish I had so much free time.

					ADNAN SIDDIKY
						 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Manpulating amrikans (Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
	<1992Nov9.185821.12980@bernina.ethz.ch>
	<1992Nov10.045701.26230@njitgw.njit.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:20:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
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In article <1992Nov10.045701.26230@njitgw.njit.edu> fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu (Farhan Muhammad) writes:
	   It has been the policy of US government to manupilate the small
	   nations in its hands,for long time now.. Giving the money to small
	   nations doesn't really help them either. 
-------
On the other hand, the post-war Japanese government very successfully
manipulated US paranoia about Japan going communist (and more so in case
of Korea and Taiwan) to obtain trade conditions (high export penetration
into US and intensive domestic market protection) and transfer of
American technology that would be unthinkable today. Then there is of
course wily Nasser of Egypt who would play of both superpowers and get 
alms from both groups.

I wouldn't argue with you about agenda of Amerikan aid, that is
obvious to anyone. I am more interested in a scenario where you have
no other aid options (as bangladesh does today witn collapse of USSR)
and how you may best manipulate the conditions of this aid in those
circumstances. 

--
Naeem Mohaiemen
216-774-1993
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			[Sheikh Mujib to Chakma tribal leader]
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From: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan)
Subject: Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
	<1992Nov9.185821.12980@bernina.ethz.ch> <69228@cup.portal.com>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:39:02 GMT
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In article <69228@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
>   I couldnt agree more. Japan, Singapore, and Germany grew rapdily
>   by keeping military expenditure down and civilian development
>   up.
>   Lets keep out of the S. Asian power game.
>   Hassan

	Oh My God!!!
	Quick!  someone shoot him before he unwittingly triggers off
the Long-Dormant Yale-Oberlin Military Expenditure Flamewar(tm)!!
	=)

farewell-
zeeshan
--
Zeeshan Hasan 
zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
OCMR Box 1529, Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074. Phone:(216)775-6447
	"I love mankind... it's people I can't stand!" -- Linus van Pelt
From: ark@ukc.ac.uk (A.R.Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: IN/OUT OF ISLAM(Was: TRAPPED GIRL)
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:33:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

IN/OUT OF ISLAM
I am just coming back  only to do a kaffara for a blunder of being
provoked by Supratic Gupta's continuous posting on the so-called
trapped girl. And the kaffara is to keep silent and discorage
him out of SCB(knowing fully well that I have no right to otherwise
exclude any contributors from the net) 
because he is talking at such a level that is far below the etiquettes
of the net, those of academic  exchanges and above all, I am a Muslim, his
remarks are derogatory for the Muslims. He asks you
to talk from heart, not from head. That is he wants
an answer that he has in mind. Problem of wavelength. About the brother 
who asked
for specific ayats/hadiths on punishment of apostates,  this has been
discussed a lot in sci. Even then Insha Allah, I shall try in sci. But,
brother we shall Insha Allah be exchanging for the cause
of Islam, for increasing our knowledge of Islam, with fear of Allah.  
Jazakumullah Khiran.




Abdur Rob Khan
Politics and International Relations
University of Kent at Canterbury
UK.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:5616 soc.culture.indian:36011 soc.culture.pakistan:16366
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: development and corruption
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 92 21:42:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Extent to which Asian nations are free from bribery, corruption
and other improper practices in public life.

Source: World Competitive Report, Survey of 3300 executives in 36
countries.

Singapore: 93
Hongkong: 65
Japan: 62
Taiwan: 46
Malaysia: 44
S. Korea: 38
Thailand: 23
Pakistan: 19
India: 17
Indonesia: 15

Perfect score (no corruption) is 100. Numbers are my reading of a
chart in Nov 5 Far-Eastern Economic Review. Estimate 1-2 pt error. However, 
order of countries is correct.

Question - is there an inverse correlation between corruption and
development?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Hindu population in Bangladesh
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:51:54 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Hindu population in Bangladesh

Year	Percentage
1901	33.0
1911	31.5
1921	36.6
1931	29.4
1941	28.0
1951	22.0
1961	18.5
1974	13.5
1981	12.1

[Source: Hindu women's rights and family law in Bangladesh, Dr. Purkayostho]
--
Naeem Mohaiemen
216-774-1993
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					[Begum Rokeya Sakawat Hossain]
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From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: TALAQ over Tele-Phone
Summary: Our good friend Joachim Martillo is back again!
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:19:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Nov9.161905.17830
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov06.140357.16697@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
> Bandhuwon!
> 
>   I  am   interested  in knowing  whether  the  ISLAMIC  PRACTICE OF  
>  TALAQ  (divorce)  is possible over phone?

<stuff deleted>

> Thanks in advance for those providing the information. 
> 
> -Indu.
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |  My  views expressed above are made on a PERSONAL basis              |
> |  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
> |                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+


Just when we began to miss our good friend Mr. Martillo he stages a
comeback under a pseudonym! Now let us resume discussion on those
wonderful topics that Joachim used for starting those famous flame 
wars!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: alam@ee.rochester.edu (Sheikh Kaisar Alam)
Subject: Phone # of Indian Embassy in NYC and DC
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:16:47 GMT

If anyone has this information, please email me.

Shuja
-- 
Always tell the truth,
    Nothing but the truth,
	But, not the whole truth.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:5876 soc.culture.indian:36951 soc.culture.pakistan:16633
From: hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Bangalis to be more worldly(Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:25:35 GMT
Reply-To: hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

Dear Netters,

Currently, as you know, if any of our neighbors (india and Burma) wants,
they can invade and take over Bangladesh just like what Iraq did to Kuwait.
Then don't espect the UN to do what it did against Saddam. You all know that
we are now also having border problems with both the countries. What of if one
decides to take a large scale military offensive. We need to be prepared.

You have probably also heard Indians talking about Bangladesh to be taken over
by India infect even in this network. That feeling goes for many Indians. Who
knows, maybe even the government has the same feelings. We have to build up
a strong defense before we make anything since what we make may never be safe.

People talk about how some countries developed non militarily. But what of the
United States of America. It is developed and has the powerfulest army in the
world. I believe that just too much Bangladeshi life has been lost in the past
wars and now is the time to change. To be prepared.

There is only one Bengali country in the world. It is the only country that is 
mine, that is ours, and we have to defend it. Bangladesh should become the 
torch of South Asia with powerful military and economically developed. Now
Bangladesh has hardly any say in the South Asian affairs, but if you are ready
we will become a nation that has international stautus and reputation.

We must be prepared. We must defend our nation.  We now live in USA, a friendly
and loving country which cares for its friends and human rights. There are 
probably no other country in the world whose people are as friendly as those 
of the United States. Together we can build Bangladesh and protect the Bengal
of Gold (Amar sonar Bangla).

We must be prepared.

Sincerely,

Ashraf.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Subject: Re: MULLAHS BURN QURANS AND DESECRATE MOSQUE IN DACCA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:33:21 GMT

uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:


>could someone enlighten us all regarding what is the reason that
>we hear som many news reports about progroms on the ahmadiyaas
>(Most of the reports are about incidents in pakistan and iran (if
>I recall right) ).


>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


Every divine religion has been persecuted. If you look at the history
of any divine religions, Jewism, Christianity, Islam, all were persecuted
in beginning.

This could be a sign of the truth of Ahmadiyya Islam?


Sincerely;
 
-- 
Nabeel A. Rana
rana@rintintin.colorado.edu
LOVE FOR ALL : HATRED FOR NONE.
________________________________________________________________
From: krishnan@optima.UUCP (Venkata Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangalis to be more worldly(Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:12:12 GMT

From article <4815@equinox.unr.edu>, by hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim):
[BS deleted] 
-> 
-> You have probably also heard Indians talking about Bangladesh to be taken over
-> by India infect even in this network. That feeling goes for many Indians. Who
-> knows, maybe even the government has the same feelings. We have to build up
-> a strong defense before we make anything since what we make may never be safe.
-> 
[BS deleted] 

Ha ha ha! That was a good one. India wanting to annex, of all places,
Bangladesh!!!!!!!

We gotta construct a `fence' to keep out filthy postings such as this one
from SCI......

-Venkat
From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey...
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:15:32 GMT

I think my previous respnse to Shakil needs some explanation:


>>> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>>> mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:


>>> More importantly, conducting a survey where one can specify ones
>>> gripes and likes gives off the illusion that there is an authority to
>>> whom one can direct such comments.  There isn't, and that wouldn't be
>>> in the spirit of an unmoderated newsgroup.  I basically object to any
>>> kind of bureaucratization of SCB.

I don't understand how on earth the survey "gives offthe illusion that there is
an authority to whom one can direct such comments."  We are simply asking
a few questions to the readers.  Are we asking anybody to direct comments
to us, so that we can take actions to solve the problem?  Our intention
has been articulately explained in the intro of the survey.  It is just
a simple and innocent survey and I why can't you accept it as it is, instead
of imposing all kinds of invalid attributions to it? If you object to
any kind of bureaucratization, you should object to your own articles
before anything else.  You are the person who always take a leading role
in defining what type of behavior in the net is appropriate and what is
not.   

>         Why do you have to make things complicated for no reason?  
>
>>>Excuse me, but I think I just gave a reason.
>
>You didn't give a reason.  You gave an opinion.  I fail to understand
>from your statement how the survey is contributing to bureaucratization
>of SCB.  The statement is not backed up by explanations and therefore
>I consider it to be null.  Thus you are complicating a simple idea
>for no reason.

I take this back.

-- 
     KHALED AZIZ            |    " Thought of going back, but all I'd see 
mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu |      are strangers' faces, and all the scars
mkaziz@argo.acs.oakland.edu |      that love erases "    - NEIL DIAMOND
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Bangalis to be more worldly(Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:59:46 GMT

In article <4815@equinox.unr.edu> hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim) writes:

>We now live in USA, a friendly
>and loving country which cares for its friends and human rights.
>
>Ashraf.

This friendly and loving country which cares for human rights is
also the same country which fought a genocidal war in Vietnam ,
toppled the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende
in Chile in a CIA-backed coup, propped up barbaric military 
dictatorships in Brazil and Guatemala for decades and even today
turns a blind eye to human rights abuses in China and extends it
most favoured nation status.

Certainly there are many good things about the USA too. But I think
it is important to keep these things in perspective. 

Like most nations in the world, the USA is guided by self-interests
and not by any altruistic love of 'friends and human rights'.

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.
From: apu@phy.duke.edu (Apurba Islam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Read News (again !)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:34:40 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Read News (again !)
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.
Keywords: 

Sorry, my first posting about Read News didn't get posted correctly.

I hope this time it will.

Can anyone tell me how to read and post news on VAX system.

Thanx in advance.

-- Apurba [ Da One & Only ]


-- 
	

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: The Survey
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:01:31 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <2443@grivel.une.edu.au> dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright) writes:
   Hell's bells!  

Watching too many batman reruns. :)

   Someone answer me one question - why is it not possible to
   disarm students at the halls of residence at Dhaka University?

It is possible, but for all the political parties it is not desirable.
Who's going to burn all the cars for them during hartals if that
happens.

Saif

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From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey... (just an opinion)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:15:05 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.systemsy.cs.yale.edu


In article <1992Nov6.153218.19285@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

> If anything surveys are good, 

Why?

> no reason to make it a big deal by not answering. 

And hence go with the flow and answer it anyway?  No thanks, I prefer
to think before I do something, and I decided against it for the
reasons I gave.

-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh