From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: evolution
Keywords: m'sians bickering
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:06:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

You know, it's sometimes funny how things develop in this net.  Often too
many times, I've noticed that those arguers really are arguing on something
that's totally off the scope of discussion.  

It's like these people have lost their perspective on the original topic at
hand and concentrate more on trivial things usually that was given as an
example.  Why argue on example alone?  Why abandon the real issue?  

Usually both parties involved try to look civilized, attacking the other
parties ideas and view rather than exchange ideas and views.  The purpose
of discussion is no longer to look at different views and ways of thinking,
but has become a matter of 'I'm right you're wrong', 'my way of thinking is
the best and yours sucks', 'my religion is excellent, yours sucks big time.'
Both parties want to win no matter how stupid it is.   
Not to mention sometimes they try to look smart against one another.  What's
worst, some even thinks they know everything about anything there is in this
planet...galaxy even!

For example, let me present one old case, the case where a M'sian Prince
abducted his child from his former wife's custody in Australia.  The 
flowchart of the whole thing discussed in this network[as i saw it] is 
as follows:

 abduction report--->more bad news--->a defender joins in--->both parties
 got fired-up--->religion--->sex--->race   

In all catagaries, both parties are arguing like they really know or even
care abt those people involved.

Another example, a guy gives his opinion on development and cite alot of
examples[not necessarily good example though].  The evolution of the 
argument went as follows:

 development--->development II(people giving their versions)--->proton bashing
 (and it went on for weeks!]
 
So now we are watching a new one:  Malays renaouncing their religion.

 Just asking--->strong reply--->constitution--->you say this I say that--->
 [crap...junk...BS...]E10000[personal attack]--->race. 

When are you guys gonna stop?  So what if the person you're arguing with
thinks he's the smartest guy on earth!  Everybody else maybe thinks he's
the dumbest guy in this universe!  According to Sammy Vellu, when you
have such situation...majority rules!                  

Those examples cited are just to name a few, I'm sure we can find more
closer-to-home- topics!
 
I believe that you can say, think, whatever but if what you wanna say
is really a personal attack or condemnation, please kindly remove the
'discussion' out of this net.  It isnt that hard really...just change 
the address before you send it...it wont take even one minute.
Of course, I'm assuming you(like me) dont want to make an ass out of youself.
Then again...it's a matter of choice doesnt it.

Of course I also realized that I myself have the option to skip or even
not to read this net.  In both cases, I'd be spared from the 'discussion'.
...so do whatever...could it actually be a question of ego involve s/where?
  

Anyways, y'all have a great weekend.  Dont forget the Braves are at
Three Rivers Stadium tomahawkin' a pile of scrap steel!
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