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From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Deafness and Dalmatians
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:55:30 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <27760038@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, robins@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Robin Scheiderer) writes:
> / hpspdla:rec.pets.dogs / ml31157@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Latash ) /  2:02 pm  Nov 17, 1992 /
> There has been some talk about deafness being associated with white colora-
> tion.  This is simply not so.  The genes are not linked.  If you want some
> examples, think about whether dogs like Great Pyrenees or white Great Danes
> are reported to be more deaf than other dogs.  In my opinion and experience,
> there is no real correlation between deafness and white color OR deafness and
> the Dalmatian breed.  Dalmatians ARE more prone than most to a urological
> syndrome that causes the urea in urine to crystallize.  This has traditional-
> ly been a genetic problem with this breed until one enterprising and astute
> breeder whose name escapes me now decided to bring in Pointer blood into the
> breed.  The urological problem is due to two recessive alleles (for those of
> you who know a little genetics), and within a few generations, this breeder was
> able to get rid of this trait.  After that, he began the long and arduous task
> of "cleaning" out the Pointer blood from his dogs, and, after many years, was
> finally able to put his dogs back into the stud books.  He got rid of the
> genetic defect.
> 
> Dr. Mike DVM
> ----------

I am afraid I disagree with you.  I have a friend who is a Dalmatian breeder.
She says that pups who are nearly all white are almost always deaf.  It is
fairly breed specific, though, and is a genetic trait in Dalmatians.

Perhaps you might want to read up on the breed before you say something like
this.  Just because there are other white breeds that do not have the deafness
gene, doesn't mean it's not in Dalmatians.

Also, it is quite common in white cats.

Breeders of Paint horses are quite wary of the Lethal White gene that can
occur when breeding for paint color.  This is a recessive gene in certain
Paint horses that causes a pure white foal to be born.  The foal dies either
at birth or within a short time due to severe internal deformaties.

Sue
From: eme@oregon.uoregon.edu (Elaine Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:51:16 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
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In article <1992Nov20.192508.13330@hou.amoco.com>, zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
(Jeffry S. Gracey) wrote:
> 
> My fiance and I are starting to look for a dog as her childhood dog died	
> a while back and she feels lost without a dog. What we want is a medium-sized
> dog big enough to be a decent watchdog, good with kids, minimal shedding and odor
> as we like to keep the dog in the house and train it to go outside. We have a 
> house with a big yard and we are both fairly active (we are 24 & 25), so exercise 
> won't be a problem. What we have considered is Keeshond, Siberian Husky,
> and Alaskan Malamute.
> 
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> 
> Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
> Amoco Production Company
> Houston, Texas
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________

Several people have mentioned standard poodles.  They do meet the
requirements
you've listed here.  They are excellent watchdogs though I wouldn't label
them vicious protectors.  They don't shed though their hair falls out just
like yours and mine.  They are house dogs who have a great time outdoors.
They are purported to be good with children but I can't give personal
testimony
to that.  They are great companion dogs.  Several people have pointed out
the independent nature of the dogs you listed.  By contrast, poodles are 
people dogs.  They want to be where you are.  Many poodle owners seem to 
think their dogs actually think of themselves as just another person in
the house.  At least mine do.  The only downside I would point out is that
poodles require grooming.  Because their hair keeps growing it needs
cutting.
It's not hard to do your own grooming and it can be fun but it takes time
and sending to a groomer takes money.  Oh, and one last thing, in someone
else's words, "there's nothing fee-fee about a standard poodle".

I agree with the poster who said you're asking the right questions.  There 
are some good books out there to help you with finer detail.  If you want 
any more information about standards just ask.  Good luck with your search!

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   Elaine Erwin        University of Oregon          eme@oregon.uoregon.edu

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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Please help: cancer and pet Yorkie (long)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:40:17 GMT

In article <By4Dry.BM@news.iastate.edu> sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott) writes:

		<lots of text deleted to save space>


>treating cancer (no chemotherapy was offered).  They said it would cost
>her an additional $200 (in addition to the $300 to remove the tumer) to
>have the tumer tested.  She said, ok what do you do if after you test it
>you find it *is* cancer and they said nothing.  However, she probably wouldn't
>put Fang through chemo. anyway.
>
>Well, what do you all think?  Please, no flames, just helpful advice.  My
>mil loves this dog to death and will be heartbroken when Fang does die.  I
>want to help her make the right decision for herself and the dog she loves.
>
	$200 to have the tumor tested sounds VERY expensive. When my Siberian
had a tumor (luckily a benign one) removed about a year ago, I recall a charge
of more like $30 for the tumor analysis. In fact, my entire bill was under $150,
which included the anesthetic, the surgery to remove a lump on his elbow, and
the removal of a couple teeth (he was 10.5 years then), and removal of the
stitches 10 days later. Perhaps it might be advisable to try another vet, if
time allows.

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
********************************************************************************
	       The above opinions are not those of my employer.
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From: llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu (Linda Macdonald)
Subject: Re: Problem With Neighbors' Cat
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:41:26 GMT
Distribution: jadpc2

In article <9211181711.AA2078@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>  What to do about the neighbor's cat, and the neighbor's cavalier
>attitude?
>  I agree with you totally.  That kitten should be kept indoors where
>it can live safely.  It is very sad that people like your neighbor are
>so hard hearted and cannot be reasoned with.
>  Yes, the kitten Will probably die, and from the sound of things,
>will suffer horribly.  I am not in your shoes, but if I were, I would
>take the kitten into my own house the next time it got out. This
>rather than see it mutliated or murdered.
>  Once the kitten is in your custody, you will have to think of a way
>to get it a good home, hopefully on the other side of town.
>  Your neighbor my look for the kitten.  You, of course, must never
>admit that you rescued the kitten.  If she asks you point blank if
>you've seen it, for everyone's sake, you must say no.
>  Ultimately, you must think of the Result of your act.  A sweet
>kitten gets a chance at life, and there is Even a chance that your
>bonehead neighbor will miss having the kitten.  Possibly this person
>can learn a lesson from the experience.  It's not safe to leave your
>cats loose to run the neighborhood.
>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)

I certainly agree that the kitten should be removed from this home,
however, there will be nothing to prevent these people from getting
another animal.  If abuse is taking place, please call the Society
for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals or some other organization
and have these people investigated.

Linda
From: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

Thanks for all of your suggestions so far. I think I should re-clarify what I'm
looking for and describe my experiences with dogs, like someone suggested.
My Mom used to breed Dalmatians (best watchdogs that we had), and at times
has had a beagle, a maltese (sweetest little dog in the world), a Spitz (smartest
dog we had, great with kids, not snippy at all like some books suggest), German
Shepherds, poodles, and a sheltie(brilliantly smart dog, also). I'm not a dog
novice and I guess I shouldn't have said minimal shedding since thats not really
what I meant. I don't mine brushing a dog as often as every other day, but we 
had a chow mix that shed so badly that I had to run the vacuum every day when I
came home from work. Some shedding is expected, but this is too much in my mind.

Now, what I don't want is an overly-destructive breed of dog or one that is
extremely stubborn, like some people said Huskys and Malamutes are. 
I didn't know this was a trait of these dogs. I've gotten some positive fedback
on Keeshonds, though. Any more info on these is appreciated.

I would like an affectionate dog who likes being around people, by watchdog I
meant one that will alert you to strange noises not necessarily tear a burglars
leg off (the little maltese was the best watchdog we had in my mind !!), medium-siaed
(at least as big as a sheltie but not as big as a Newfoundland or anything like 
that).

Any further suggestions are appreciated.

Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
Amoco Production Company
Houston, Texas
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: gregf@eastrg1.cray.com (Greg Fairbrother)
Subject: Suggestions wanted
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:49:43 CST

Hi,
I would like to get my parents who are in their early sixties a dog.
I would prefer a breed that didn't shed, not require alot of exercise,
and was less than 25 pounds.
Thanks for any suggestions you might have.
Greg
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:54:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24241
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Krueger writes:
>> facts are so hard to come by, owing to philosophical skepticism

>Hasn't been a problem for others.  Sorry it's a problem for you.

>But if you can't come up with the relevant facts and history I
>specified, I can't give you the causal account of behavior you
>requested.  Any more than I could predict the weather based on
>talk of what the clouds think or the sun understands.

No, I meant that facts about the mental state of another are so hard
to come by.  That's called philosophical skepticism, the belief that
this is a problem for knowledge.  I gather you agree with this!

You'll be pleased to hear that there is no disproof of it, and moreover
(unlike doubting physical things like balls of wax) you can manage to
live this skepticism.

That is what Wittgenstein and so forth are answering - ``What makes it
appear that I want to deny anything?'' - in a question that is absolutely
sincere and not rhetorical.  What is it about (here) philosophy that
makes it appear that it denies something, what is that force at work?

You'll find lived philosophical skepticism at the root of Shakespeare's
plots;  avoidance of knowledge, fear of significance.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:06:51 GMT

In article <24240@alice.att.com> rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:
>
>
>Stephen R Lee writes:
>>>If you teach what Koehler does, the way he does, it always works.
>
>>No.  There is no teaching methodology or philosophy that will work on
>>all dogs in all situations all of the time.  I don't care how many 
>>anecdotal pieces of evidence you care to give me about Kohler, or
>>anyone else cares to give me about their favorite method.  There is
>>NO method that will work on ALL dogs ALL of the time.  Period.
>
>Well, I won't try to read your stake in that, but consider that
>there is perhaps simply no problem training dogs, it is EASY.

It is really very simple.  You have stated, on what seems like hundreds
of occasions, that Kohler is, in effect, a Panecea for training dogs.
I say nonsense.  You have enjoyed wonderful sucess with this method.  Great.
I am merely pointing out that there is no single methodology that will
work on all dogs all of the time.

>You can use a great variety of methods, as you say, so I am agreeing
>with you that far.

Good.


>They do not all teach character, they do not all have any vision of
>the dog as a great dog.

This is all quite subjective.  You don't teach character, and a vision
of a "great dog" is in the mind of the beholder, not a training method.
One can *construct* such a vision in a variety of ways, Kohler is one
way.

[Disseration on the philosophy of Kohler deleted]

You seem to enjoy imparting your philosphical wisdom on the rest of
us when it comes to Kohler.  You may be assured that whenever you
attempt to make novice dog fanciers believe that Kohler is the
Holly Grail of dog training, I shall be there to point out that there
are other methods, and other ways in which to construct the "vision"
of the perfect dog.  Please note that I am not saying that Kohler is
wrong, or useless, or anything f the kind.  It is just not a Panecea.
No method is.

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
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From: moed@sol.ral.rpi.edu (Michael Moed)
Subject: Tic collar
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:31:02 GMT

Our dog has a habit of attracting tics.  Our vet recommended using a tic collar
called "Preventic".  Does anybody out there have any info (good or bad) about 
the effect of this collar (on dogs and tics)?

Thanks in advance,

- Mike

-- 
Michael C. Moed					  moed@ral.rpi.edu
United Parcel Service, Research and Development  
51-53 Kenosia Avenue                              (203) 731-6303
Danbury, CT  06810
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: smm1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (michelson,steven)
Subject: Peeing on dog beds
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:07:19 GMT

I recently got a green, cedar, circular dog bed for my Dachshund to sleep on.
She is about 1 1/2 years old, spayed, and has been pretty reliable in the
housebreaking business for quite some time. She hasn't had any kind of
accident in my house for about 5 months. Until now. Twice in the last couple
of weeks, she has peed *on her dog bed.* I'm confused as to what this could
mean. Since she has only done it on her bed, I think there's more to this than
a simple housebreaking problem. Does anybody have any ideas why this has
happened?

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Michelson                |   Paying tolls is like throwing money out
Bell Communications Research   |   the window.
smm1@troy.cc.bellcore.com      |   
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jag@iti.org (Jacqueline A. Giles)
Subject: Re: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:07:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.192508.13330@hou.amoco.com> zjsg12@hou.amoco.com writes:
>My fiance and I are starting to look for a dog as her childhood dog died	
>a while back and she feels lost without a dog. What we want is a medium-sized
>dog big enough to be a decent watchdog, good with kids, minimal shedding and odor
>as we like to keep the dog in the house and train it to go outside. We have a 
>house with a big yard and we are both fairly active (we are 24 & 25), so exercise 
>won't be a problem. What we have considered is Keeshond, Siberian Husky,
>and Alaskan Malamute.
>
These dogs don't seem to go with your requirements of minimal
shedding and being an inside dog.

>Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
>Amoco Production Company
>Houston, Texas
>
>____________________________________________________________________
From: wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Size of Kennel for Golden Retriever
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:27:17 GMT
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In an article, exuclh@exu.ericsson.se (Calvin L. Hall, x 6521, s034) writes:
|> 
|> I need some recommendations on the smallest kennel 
|> size for a Golden Retriever. I will providing ample
|> exercise time before and after I go to work. But I 
|> will be housing the dog in the kennel at night and during 
|> the working hours.

[It is not clear whether by "kennel" you mean a dog run or a crate,
but my  comments apply in either case]

In my opinion the phrases "ample...time" and "dog in the kennel at
night and during the working hours" are contradictory when speaking of
a social breed such as the Golden Retriever.  May I ask why the
dog will be banished to the kennel at night?  Also, why are you 
interested in the "smallest" kennel size?  Why did you not ask
about the "best" kennel size?

Sorry, no help here.  Just sympathy for the poor animal.

All (as stated above) in my humble opinion of course,  

Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu
From: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Greyhound racing
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:28:52 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

I have to put my 2 cents in about the greyhound debate.  I think one of the
major problems with racing is not just that some dogs are abused by their
owners (which is of course true in *any* dog/human situation), but that the
demand for racers causes a lot more breeding to go on.  That wasn't very
eloquently put, but what I mean is if there was no racing, there would be
fewer greyhounds, leading to fewer dogs who had to be put to sleep because
they weren't making enough money.  At any rate, I do wish that the racing would
stop.  Unfortunately, in my area there are 2 tracks that in recent years have
been renovating and trying to make racing more palatable to the public--and
I think that they have been succeeding.  Sigh.  If anyone can get her or his
hands on back issues of the Boston Globe, there was a horrifying and heart-
breaking series on greyhounds that began, I believe, on Nov. 8.  It is 
worth reading.
Gretchen Belli
& Spenser (Who has decided that trash day is his own personal on-street
buffet--Spenser! NO!)
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From: julia@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Julia Kim)
Subject: Doggie Dooley Maintenance
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:53:27 GMT

We have a large Doggie Dooley (a septic system for dog turds) and a
large-ish dog (10 month old German Shepherd, our first!).  The
"mixture" in the Doggie Dooley seems to be too "stiff," like a stiff
cookie dough.  Is this the right consistency?  I'm worried that the
Dooley isn't draining properly.  I add four times the amount of water
suggested every other day and two times the amount of Super Dooley
Digester suggested every week (I found if I didn't had this amount of
water, the "mix" seemed too dry and extra stiff.).  I even stir the
mixture every other day (What an awful smell!).  I really dislike the
stirring part, but if I don't stir it, the turds just seem to sit
there.

Before we bought the Doggie Dooley, I remember reading a post in which
the poster chats about how maintenance free his/her Dooley is, how
he/she just drops the turds in and forgets about it.  Perhaps I should
just stop worrying about it and just drop the turds in?  I keep having
visions of a CLOGGED Doggie Dooley.

Julia
From: lubars@buengf.bu.edu (Steven Lubars)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Greyhound Behavior Problem
Summary: Hostile reaction when food/toys taken away
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:07:21 GMT
Reply-To: steve_lubars@draper.com (Steven Lubars)
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: usa
Organization: Charles Stark Draper Laboratory, Inc.

Hello dog lovers.  My sister adopted a greyhound from a local
racetrack about 2 months ago.  Lucy (the dog) is about 2 years old.
She started out very shy, but has become somewhat bolder as she's
become accustomed to life with my sister and her two children
(a boy and a girl, aged 11 and 9).  She spends a lot of her time
trying to play with and eat things that are not good for her
(action figures, pantyhose, chicken bones, etc.).  The only things
within her reach are her own chew toys, but inevitably she gets
ahold of something she shouldn't.

Here's the problem:  When we try to get something away from her
that she's playing with or eating, she will bare her teeth and growl
in a very scary way.  Once in a while she'll even take a nip at us.
I don't think she's trying to hurt us, I just think that's the
only way she knows how to protect whatever she's got.  This behavior
is relatively new and seems to be getting more frequent as she
gets more comfortable in her environment.

My sister got in touch with some representatives from Greyhound
Pets of America, but they deny that greyhounds are capable of this
sort of behavior.  Any suggestions?  We're interested in knowing
if anyone has seen this kind of behavior before and, if so, what
can be done about it (is there effective discipline?  how about
obedience school?).  We're very much appreciative.  Please
reply directly via e-mail as my company doesn't receive any of
the rec.* groups.

					Thanks,

					Steve
steve_lubars@draper.com
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