HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aap@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: To be or not to be, that is the question
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:06:42 GMT

Interesting.   

Mr. Elf said:
>Article 2971 (254 more) in alt.politics.homosexuality:
>From: elf@polari.com
>
>         Elf is quite male.
>         Elf has been married for seven years to a lovely young lady.
>         Elf is NOT gay.

But he also said in soc.motss:

From: elf@polari.com

>   I know of a few heterosexual women, but my most striking example of
>this was a recent encounter when a _lesbian_ I know approached me and
>my lover and said, "I've never watched a man in action.  Can I watch
>you two fuck?"
>
>   When I replied that she could always rent a porn film, she said, "If
>I wanted to watch a movie, I'd rent a movie!  I want to watch some dick
>going into some ass!"
>(rest of a disgusting story deleted).

Well, I do not understand, of course,
AAP




Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: sik@cs.uow.edu.au (The 24hr man)
Subject: Hey - Stein is not pleased
Sik-Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about!
Organization: Sik-SW, Dept-Comp-Sci, Uni-Of-W'gong, NSW 2500, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:58:44 GMT

I'm starting to lose track of the discussion, simular discussions are being
carried out under too many different subject headers, and in too many different
groups...  Why not stick to Human Sexuality???  And lets vote on the group...
Would help us keep the stats on our side too !-/  One drawback though, I have
this feeling a lot of people are killing the 'Human sexuality' thread :-(
Well, maybe we should vote on a new thread too, and then try to stick to this
new, wonderful thread.

Thank you for listening (if you do)...

Stein - sik@cs.uow.edu.au
'No matter where you go, there you are' - Buckaroo Banzai
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Couples
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:26:11 GMT


From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?

>Not at all... I will describe a couple to you... Can you guess if they
>are straight or gay?  No.  You cannot.  Suddenly, however, you find that
>both of the people are of the same gender and you start adding your own
>facts.  Without the gender of the partners, you have to base your opinions
>on who we are.  With the gender of the partners, you will base your opinions
>on what you imagine us to be like.

I need more information, like:
How is the relationship with the rest of the society?
Are their relationship based on some possible previous trauma?
Can they be discribed as disfunctional in a social way?
etc,
etc.



>FWA

AAP
From: ar_ind02@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Help!
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:17:20 GMT
Reply-To: ar_ind02@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: ar_ind02@gidney.oswego.edu

Hello. I am relatively new to the Net, and this is my first post, so please be  merciful in any spelling/grammar/typo/anything else flames.  I am mainly try-   ing to get news about what is happening in the L/G/B community in other areas,  as well as information on conventions and other neat events which are happening.If you have any news/info. to share, please e-mail me (I get no mail any other  way...).  Thanks in advance.                                                                           In the S




pirit of IDIC,                                                                  Cat                                              P.S. This is my name in a round-about way.  If this last statement has piqued   your curiosity, you will have to contact me to find out the rest (so there!). 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: More references for poor Little JOhn
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:08:27 GMT

Here are some references from the "last decade":

"Psychoanalitic Reflections on Current Issues", edited by 
H. Siegel et. al.
NY University Press, 1991, NYC.

Has an interesting study about serious flinks in theories that do not consider
the Oedipus Complex.

Introduccion al Psycoanalisis, Luis Hornstein. Buenos Aires, 1983.
chapter 13 is dedicated to Narcism and Oedipus.

Book anounced for publication by "Siglo XXI", in 1987:

"Psicoanalisis y Pediatria", by Francoise Dolto
Presents a short explanation of Freudian Theory and cases from 16 children.

"Estudios sobre el Edipo", by Moustapha Safouan.
Study about the Oedipus Complex.


These are some data and books I have at home.

So, how was that about Modern Psychology ....?

AAP

Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:2359 alt.sex:14977
From: jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:41:48 GMT
Organization: Best Care South of the Red River, LCC, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Apr11.025310.12057@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>That's right, folks!  Stroll right down to your local Scientology
>office -- with a check made out to the appropriate amount, you can be
>anything you want to be!  John Haugh did it!

John Haugh did nothing of the sort.  It's a shame you have to lie.
-- 
John F. Haugh II      | VNET: LCCB386 at AUSVMQ | "Physical Fitness is the
SneakerNet: 042/2F068 | MaBell: (512) 823-1078  |  basis for all other forms
Internet: jfh@devnet.la.locus.com               |  of excellence"  -- JFK
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Adream
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:51:03 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

That was rather amusing, actually.  I don't even know how much of Mr.
Timi's incoherence was supposed to be me and how much was Alberto's
fractured English.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Xref: sparky alt.sex:14565 alt.politics.homosexuality:2151
From: aap@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Adream
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.220813.19914@wam.umd.edu> aap@next04wor.wam.umd.edu  
(Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.172854.28745@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>  
> jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester) writes:
> 
> > What I find most amusing was that he had the gall to compare himself
> > to Galileo.
> 
> Do not be a pinhead. I did not compared myself to anyone. 
> You people have no idea about anything, seems to be.
> I just used Galileo to point out how the Great Logic of the Great minds  
of  
> this newgroup work. I would never compare myself to someone inteligent.  
> After all, Mr. Dyer has already pointed out how retarded is my culture.  
> Not like his.
> 
> >  Of course, Galileo had much more than a scrap of paper to
> > proove his theories.  The same CAN'T be said for Mr. Pinkas.  All he
> > has is a bunch of pieces of paper and a warped sense of reality.  And
> > rather than talking about some Oedipus complex, perhaps we should talk
> > about Persecution complexes or deluded senses of grandeur?
> 
> Don't be stupid. You should better talk about illusion. I did not said  
at  
> any point that I compared me with him. You see, that is the norm here, a  
> bunch of homosexuals come and present their point as the truth, and  
then,  
> they put words in other people mouths. And then, they ask the other for  
> references, and then they give no reference at all about what they say.  
> They are just right because they are Gays.
> Go, and get an education.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Feh.
> > 
> > JOhn.
> > -- 
> > /-John A Kusters,  
> jr.----------------------------------------------------______
> > | jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com               
> \    /
> > Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!      
> At this pace you will change nothing.
> 
> 
> AAP
From: rlc1028@summa.tamu.edu (Dead Can Dance)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: I'm your man...
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:06:00 GMT

In article <w80ViB3w164w@Bogus.COM>, punk@Bogus.COM (Jack C. Royce) writes...
> 
>That IS part of the relationship though, actually a big part.   If the homo-
>sexual contact were really natural, it would produce offspring.  Sex is after
>all the act of reproduction.

	NOT.

	Everything's natural, even toxic waste.

	The act of reproduction need not involve sexual intercourse at all.

DCD
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: babies
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:26:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.153352.4388@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>Then, I do not know if two gay/lesbian parents can offer to their child a 
>"socially normal" picture of reality.

Now why in the hell would I want to have a socially normal picture of
reality?

>Even if we are for or against it, gay relations are not completely accepted
>in our society, to start with.

They may get more accepted if there are enough children growing up with
gay parents or with friends who have gay parents, and so who see that
it's okay.

>Also, there are psychological confrontations of the child with his father
>or mother, according to the child gender, that cannot be completely 
>realized with gay/lesbian parents.

According to a number of Freudian-trained psychiatrists I've spoken
with, Freud was full of it on this one.

>I do not say that those are the right values, I just say that to function you
>have to incorporate them and later you might be able to change them.

I've never incorporated most of society's values, and I function just
fine, thank you.

>> One more thing.  You act so innocent with your question, but I cannot
>> help notice that your discussions usually are gay-negative.  You 
>> hate faggots don't you?  
>
>Here we go again. This is alt.politics.HOMOSEXUALITY. It is not the place to
>argue about heterosexual treatment of their kids, or about Rushdie death
>sentence. I do not hate homosexuals.
 
He's right on this one; he doesn't hate homosexuals, he's just looking
for a good argument. He wanders onto soc.culture.jewish and argues inb
favor of halachic violations, too; anything for a controversy.

>    aap@wam.umd.edu

	-Nora


-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Adream
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:32:48 GMT

In article <jlmk38s@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

|> 
|> Blair and I are equals.  Absolute equals.
|> 
|> George and Ricky are equals, Max and Dwayne are equals, Roger and Dan
|> are equals, Catherine and Sally are equals, Karen and Julie are equals,
|> Mike and Jim are equals, Jim and Drew are equals....
|> 
|> Shall I continue?
|> 
|> 
|> Don't assume that your heterosexual roles apply to us, because they
|> don't.
|> 
|> 

Don't assume that *his* (AAP) heterosexual roles apply to the rest of us 
heterosexual types either  (Ann and John are equals...)
-- 



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:21:43 GMT

In article <jlntlc0@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1992Apr17.153618.7093@wam.umd.edu> aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr17.150314.21105@amhux2.amherst.edu>  
>>twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>> >You and your wife have extra-marital sex?  Hmm, interesting.
>>> 
>>> Consensual, too, and completely with partner's consent.  Welcome to
>>> the real world, punk.
>>
>>Sometimes it sounds like Tim Pierce and efl are the same person.
>>Anyway, to have your partners consent does not make it any better.
>
>
>Why not?

Why would it make it better?

Is there some place where one has to stop?

>
>
>
>FWA

AAP
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ai210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Steier)
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 05:14:14 GMT


In a previous post Bruce asserts that homosexual orientation is OK,
since there is no choice involved, but that any sexual activity on the
part of those with that orientation is wrong. He cites the christian
bible as evidence for this. This happens to be the same position as
the Roman Catholic Church has in the United States.

I'm a pagan. I don't accept the bible as proof of anything. In the 
Tao Teh Ching there is absolutely no mention of homosexuality one way
or the other. In my personal experience, sexual orientation is of zero
value as a prediction of how likely a given person is to behave in ways
that injure other people. 

I am willing to let Bruce have his opinion, with whatever evidence that
he considers appropriate. However, the Roman Catholic Church does not
stop with having that opinion. That church has been actively engaged
at preventing legislation against gay rights in employment, insurance,
housing, and the criminal justice system.

This is inexcusable!! Even assuming that the Church is indeed correct
that homosexuality is evil, surely it is even more evil to harass those
gay people who are not members of that Church. 

be well
josh
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: To be or not to be, that is the question
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:29:43 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <P.wampyr.5@troll.cs.uow.edu.au> sik@cs.uow.edu.au (Stein 'The 24hr man')) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.210642.14351@wam.umd.edu> (AAP?) wrote:
>
>>Interesting.   
>
>>>   When I replied that she could always rent a porn film, she said, "If
>>>I wanted to watch a movie, I'd rent a movie!  I want to watch some dick
>>>going into some ass!"
>>>(rest of a disgusting story deleted).
>
>>Well, I do not understand, of course,
>
>Unless this is a trick question (or I have missed something), elf did not
>mention the gender of the so-called ass...

You have missed something.  Elf specified the "so-called" ass (what
else would you call it?) as belonging to a man.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:2392 alt.sex:15016
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
From: jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 19:32:10 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) divulges:
->In article <pgr.702944547@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu> pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan) writes:
->
->>You don't choose whether or not to be gay, you choose whether or not to
->>lie about it.
->
->No - You CHOOSE whether or not you are gay, and you CHOOSE whether or
->not you want to lie about having a choice.

I challenge you here and now to PROVE this!  Show me how I CHOOSE my
desire for men.  Show me how it was a choice on my part.  DO NOT
resort to your old "even if it were an unconscious choice it was a
choice" argument, 'cause it doesn't wash.

->>You don't cure gays and lesbians, you abuse them until they start lying
->>again.
->
->If you want to be gay, fine.  But quit pretending you didn't CHOOSE.

Whose pretending?  I didn't choose.  I am.

->Did you choose to be liberal or conservative?  Did you choose to like
->white men or black?  Did you choose to be a Christian or not?

Oh, so you're equating a person's sexual orientation with politics?
Feh!

Go ask a black person why they chose to be black!  Go ask a korean
person why they chose to be korean!

JOhn.
-- 
/-John A Kusters, jr.----------------------------------------------------______
| jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu & phule@bbs.fubarsys.com              \    /
Silence keeps us all in darkness, we can't change things overnight!       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovksy & Phillips
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: In response to "SHIT WORSHIPPING HOMO..."
From: fellers@utkvx2.utk.edu (Michael Fellers, University of Tennessee)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:51:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


	Personally, I think the guy was equally as sick as you do.  If he is,
in fact, guilty of what he is charged with (which he probably is), then he
should be hung/drawn/quartered/poisoned/strangled/etc.  It is disgusting and
gross and thoughtless.
	However, I found the article you posted to be slightly offensive.  It
gave the impression that you were blaming all homosexuals for this guy's
crime.  Please don't do this.  He was just one person who happened to be gay
AND thoughtless/careless/sick/etc.
	We are not all guilty by association, you know.

						Michael Fellers
						fellers@utkvx.utk.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@next13epsl.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Reporting people
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:58:37 GMT

Besides the point of what anyone posts in this newsgroup, it cannot be  
denied that there is a high tendency among people here to:

1) Send complains to sys-adm if GLB do not like what it is being said.  
This makes some people to use false names.

2) Insult people calling them: Homophobes, fascists, nazis, bigots, etc,  
if GLB do not like what it is being said.

3) Lie about people, saying that he/she did this or that in another place,  
if GLB do not like what it is being said.

aap
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
From: g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au (The Jester)
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:03:14 GMT

amitchell@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes:


>Please forward any responses you want to be SURE I see to me, as well as
>posting them, since the Director of Computing Services is threatening to remove
>the entire alt.* heirarchy.
If you can suggest a news group not in the alt.* heirachy who will have us
we can cross-post the "Human Sexuality" thread there.

suggestions:
			sci.psychology
			soc.motts
			no.test
			aus.general
			talk.bizarre

OR
 we could create our own group. sexuality.human.pizza
-- 
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 \\/ \/\ /\ \/ \/_  | and I have to use the self-service pumps.
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g8801935@cs.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.flame
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Adream
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:32:44 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <1992Apr16.140230.7483@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>Again and again. I did not said that Freud knew all about Gays. I only talked
>about the Oedipus Complex. Then, some people started to do generalizations and
>they put words in my mouth. 
>I DID NEVER SAY THAT FREUD'S VIEWS ON HOMOSEXUALITY WERE RIGHT.
>I JUST TALKED ABOUT THE OEDIPUS COMPLEX.

"She never said that water was wet.  She merely happened to use it as
an example of a liquid."
     -- Clay Bond

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, there's homosexuality in all animals
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      / but one, and that's the pig.  If it weren't
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / for homosexuals we'd all have to live like
                                 pigs." -- overheard at Sydney Mardi Gras
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Reporting people
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:20:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.195837.28592@wam.umd.edu>, aap@next13epsl.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
|> Besides the point of what anyone posts in this newsgroup, it cannot be  
|> denied that there is a high tendency among people here to:
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 1) Send complains to sys-adm if GLB do not like what it is being said.  
|> This makes some people to use false names.
|> 
|> 2) Insult people calling them: Homophobes, fascists, nazis, bigots, etc,  
|> if GLB do not like what it is being said.
|> 
|> 3) Lie about people, saying that he/she did this or that in another place,  
|> if GLB do not like what it is being said.
|> 
|> aap

Well, I know I'm not the first to prove that it can certainly be denied, but
I'll deny it anyway.  Admittedly there has been name calling and involving
sys-admin's, etc. on both sides of the argument, but if we're talking about
general tendencies in this newsgroup it's definitely the anti-GLB people who
have done the most name calling and do the most to insult the intellect.
I've heard of more GLB "defenders of the faith" getting in trouble with their
sys-admin's, too - even some of the ones who refrain from the name calling
diatribes.  I don't know of any evidence of anyone deliberately lying about
anyone on this newsgroup, though.  I think fairly serious accusations like
that ought to be backed up with specific references and proofs.
-- 



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