HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: valrik@carina.unm.edu (Rick J. Valles)
Subject: The Smeller's the Feller!
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 00:42:17 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM
Summary: Beer, Cuervo, beef n' bean burritos!
Distribution: World

The comment about not eating Mexican food prior to your first jump is very
interesting.  Planned carefully, you *could* impress your instructor and the
rest of the load by carefully decreasing the oxygen content of the plane by
emanating certain bodily gases on the ride up!  When they all scream (some
enjoy it), you can look around at everyone and give them a wry little smile!

It's a real pleasure (?) riding up to altitude in a slow climbing C-206
(actually slow climbing pilot) on a hot summer day at a high DZ (5200' MSL),
going up to 16,000 MSL.  We are used to the altitude and usually stayed quiett
on the ride up (but not in our Beech!).  One day, one of our jumpers, Juan,
comes out on a Sunday after some heavy partying the night before.  Cuervo, 
Tecate and homemade beef and bean burritos, and now we're having to smell the
results during the ride up!

One time Juan and I were doing a 5-way out of an open door twin (Seneca) and 
the pilot (also a jumper) decides to do us a big favor and zooms us up to 
13,000 AGL, which was 18,280 MSL!  Then, Albuquerque Approach told him to hold
off dropping jumpers until they were clear of some traffic.  We got a little 
light headed, but were okay.  Except Juan.  He had done a little too much 
partying the night before.  Juan had a mally and cut-away under a grand.  He
told me later that he was staring at the high desert below while he was busy
pulling on his jumpsuit material near his reserve handle!  (He had a medium
Silly Suit. This happened back in '79 or '80)  He figured it out just in time!
Meanwhile, I was doing my first canopy stack, too concentrated to see that I 
had a broken cascade, discovered later while packing!  Who says hypoxia makes
you stupid?!

Interestingly enough, we could smell Juan's "gift" to us, even with the door
open!

Rick Valles
valrik@carina.unm.edu

P.S.  We always accuse the first person to say, "Who farted?!," as the 
perpetrator.  Hence, "the smeller's the feller."  Screaming in agony doesn't
necessarily mean that you are the culprit.  It just might be Nature's way of
telling you that something is wrong (or it's jump run!)!


Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu (Brandon France)
Subject: Russian Gear
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:29:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.181558.512@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dale Southard Jr.) writes:
> For starters, I believe that the Russians have been required to use
> dual AAD setups until 100 jumps for a few years now. Their results have
> been fairly positive.
> 

I'm curious, what kind of gear do the Russians use? Do they import all their
gear and use western stuff or do they manufacture their own?  If they do 
make their own gear, who does it compare to what is on the market over here?

Brandon France
From: kroon@alice.att.com (Peter Kroon)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: rumour that Piras bounced
Keywords: can someone confirm/deny
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:51:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24403
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

I just heard from a friend some unconfirmed news that Tom Piras
bounced. 
If there is someone who knows more details, please post.


     thanks

 Peter

-- 
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phone: (908) 582 7000 
Email: kroon@research.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Re: What took so damn long?
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:19:19 GMT

> resc> This posting reminds me of a quote I heard once:
>
> resc> A plan is just a tangent vector on the manifold of reality.
> resc>         "Skratch" Garrison
>
>Do you know if "Skratch" Garrison is still around, and where to find
>him?
>
>      Regards / Hans "Falken" Falkeman
>                                        EET#7

Yes. Hi Falken. I used to be Skratch. Maybe I still am. I'm not sure.
A lot of life has passed since Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Finland 1976.

  (An aside: After the Freefall Exhibition Team in 1975 I got to
  (travel quite a bit and help light the fires of enthusiasm.
  (Scandanavia was one of the high points. Three months of non stop
  (boogie. Even I was saturated after that and I have a pretty high
  (capacity. EET stands for "Elden er tent" which is Norwegian for
  ("The fire is lit". I still have the patch.

Recently I have been reading the net and feeling rusty brain cells
creak into action. It's nice hanging out with the skydivers again. In
fact a friend of mine, D Jan, just gave me the address of the
Skydiving newsletter out of Deland and last night I subscribed to it.
Maybe something is going on here. Maybe I better keep my job :-) :-)

Skratch

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
email:  bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM 
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: More info about Piras accident
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:17:45 GMT

Any word on the other guy??

Tim
From: dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dale Southard Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: AFF rigs with TWO AAD's:comments?
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:15:58 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1ge4fqINN8so@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au>, dparsons@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au (David Parsons) writes:


> The Chief Instructor, Greg Smith, uses Parachutes Australia brand SOS systems,
> very similar to the Strong student gear (single action cutway and deployment).
> Until recently all AFF rigs were fitted with FXC AAD's, fitted to the
> main, rather than the reserve.  This location is standard practice in Australia.
> Anyway, all the rigs are now ALSO fitted with student Cypres on the reserve.
> Main AAD opening heights are set 1000' lower than planned opening height
> which is no lower than 3,000' in their AFF course.  The student Cypres is set at
> 1000'.

For starters, I believe that the Russians have been required to use
dual AAD setups until 100 jumps for a few years now. Their results have
been fairly positive.

You might look into the new Mars FF3 unit made by SSE. It is an all
electronic unit like the cypres, but has two channels (so the same
"brain" could control both the main and reserve opening devices). That
would probably simplify the calibration procedures somewhat over having
two completely different units on the same rig. Actually the Cypres 
supposedly has two channels as well, but they haven't yet done anything 
to make the second channel useful/available.

-- 
/* Dale Southard Jr.                                   Sr. Rigger      */
/* Department of Chemistry                            AFF/I   SL/I     */
/* University of Toledo                                  D-11216       */
/* dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu -- "Just another skydiving grad student." */
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: rumour that Piras bounced
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:22:27 GMT

Peter Kroon (kroon@alice.att.com) wrote:
: I just heard from a friend some unconfirmed news that Tom Piras
: bounced. 
: If there is someone who knows more details, please post.

I heard the same thing... friend of a friend of a friend.

A low-timer pulled directly under a formation that he had been
attempting to get into, but had gone low.  The impact knocked piras
out and eventually led to his death.
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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: F A Q (Instructor Aided Deployments?)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:08:45 GMT

We refer to the exit where tyhe student is hanging from the strut with his
feet flapping as (what else?) a Hanging Exit.  The only drawbacks to this
exit that I can see are (a) The student isn't required to put as much effort
into the exit as they should, ie.  The jump just happens instead of being
being done.  A slight but important differance. (b) During the transition
from the step to hanging I have seen students try to crawl up on the strut
and I've seen them fall off into a head down dive. (or almost a Canarosa).
The dynamic exit also allows the J/M to control the student with the left
hand, assisting in a correct, deployment friendly exit attitude.

Bobby Magee
D-371
Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Telephone # for Eloy
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:51:40 GMT

Can any one post or e-mail the Eloy DZ phone #?
Thanx in advance.
Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Pullout/Throwout
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:23:59 GMT

> So what's the consensus?  Which are more rare?  Pullouts or throwouts?

My Racer is a pullout. (not to get into this arguement again, but this
                        is my personal preference. I have jumped throw-
                        outs, and they are fine too.)

-Eric
From: dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dale Southard Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: AFF rigs with TWO AAD's
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:34:36 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec17.030355.4600@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
> [Comment on making AAD cutaway first, then pull reserve]
> 
>> But stop and think for a second. Suppose that some butt-head fails to
>> correctly calibrate the unit.  Your lining up on final for the pea pit
>> and, suddenly, at 200 feet, your main releases.  OOPS!
> 
> The cypres would not fire under this condition because (presumably) your
> descent is < 81mph!
> 
> The only "calabration" that the user does on a
> cypres is the altitude, so the worst case would be premature deployment.
> What I mean is, the cypres will not do anything while you're coming
> into the pea pit (assuming you're going slower than 81mph !!!).  So 
> I guess I'm saying the cypres can't fire if you're under any functioning
> canopy, even in a downplane, right? So the worst calibration error
> that could occur is to hfirerelease prematurely in freefall, or 
> fire LATE in freefall (in which case you were hosed with or without it.)

Of course the key word in all this is "presumably". If AADs were
prefect I would not hesitate to suggest putting them in control of
the 3-rings. But by putting _anything_ in control of the 3-rings you create
a situation where its malfunction, however unlikely that malfunction
is, can create a BAD situation. 

> 
> Were you speaking of a "butt-head" manufacturer that calibrates the FF
> speed indicator wrong?  then you're hosed w/ any AAD
>

Well, I wasn't meaning to pick on the Cypres (it is a GREAT unit, and
something the skydiving community has needed for years). What I was
trying to communicate is that it is far worst to have an eqipment
failure that causes a cutaway than it is to have an equipment failure
that causes a reserve activation. Since there are no devices that function
100% of the time, one must always treat every part of an assembly as if
is wasn't going to work correctly. It doesn't matter if it caused by an AAD 
or just loop-failure, I would take a reserve container opening at 200'
over a cutaway at 200' because I have a better chance of living through
the former. 

-- 
/* Dale Southard Jr.                                   Sr. Rigger      */
/* Department of Chemistry                            AFF/I   SL/I     */
/* University of Toledo                                  D-11216       */
/* dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu -- "Just another skydiving grad student." */
From: gmh@cloud.awd.cdc.com (Gregory M. Heideman)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Rumor that Wally Gubbins bounced??
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:18:18 GMT
Organization: Automated Wagering Intl.

In article <1992Dec16.090657.14427@newstand.syr.edu>, kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu (Ken Cameron) writes:
|> Which checking on the Prias incident we heard that Leo Dickison(Wally)
|> had a total and went in. Granted this was reported to us as pure
|> rumor but I know there are folks in UK, FL, and most of the jumping
|> world that watch this net so this should be answered and hopefully
|> disproved.
|> 
|> -- 
|> -ken cameron. SkyDiver: Zoo-602, A-8596, D-11839. Skier.
|> Employer: Computer Task Group.  /cny UNIX Users Group Director.
|> Disclamer: "I said it, when I said it, so what! Now is different!"
|> Internet: kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu

Don't know about any accident, but I thought Pete Reynolds was Wally.
I think Dickison (sp?) had something to do with the "Wally Gubbins" video
production.  I hope the story isn't true in any case.

--
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From: boucher@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Richard A Boucher Jr)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:07:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: 1ST JUMP QUESTION:THANKS !!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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AFF.         
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: What took so damn long?
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:35:01 GMT

Reply-to: Hans.Falkeman@p0.f126.n203.z2.fidonet.org (Hans Falkeman)
Fido-To: romulus!skydiver.eng.sun.com

 * In a msg of Wednesday December 09 1992, romulus!skydiver.eng.sun.com!rand writes to Skydive:

 resc> This posting reminds me of a quote I heard once:

 resc> A plan is just a tangent vector on the manifold of reality.
 resc>         "Skratch" Garrison

Do you know if "Skratch" Garrison is still around, and where to find
him?

      Regards / Hans "Falken" Falkeman
                                        EET#7

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From: egyed@lns598.tn.cornell.edu (Zoltan Egyed)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Pullout/throwout
Date: 13 Dec 1992 15:20:03 -0500
Organization: Wilson Lab, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY  14853
NNTP-Posting-Host: lns572.tn.cornell.edu

In article <Bz79K8.FI8@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:

>Quite similarly, you *can* get a throw-out on a racer, but in practice
>you'll find them setup with pull-out's, right?

The racers, R/E-s I've seen around usually had throwout. My R/E has throwout.
Why would you find them in practice with pullout?

  Zoltan
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: scrutton@Predator.Ocean.Dal.CA (Jeff Scrutton)
Subject: Re: F A Q (Instructor Aided Deployments?)
Keywords: IAD First
Organization: Oceanography dept,  Dalhousie University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:35:04 GMT

I was told recently that Canada is the only place that does IADs and was
just wondering if this is true. This is roughly like S/L except the JM's
job is to pull out your pilot chute and bridle on jump run and throw it
after you when you exit (no bonus points for catching it)

Having just started this summer I've only seen S/L in WWII movies.

I can't remember if they called this a poised or dynamic exit but the
sequence for the IAD is left hand on strut, right hand on rear door jamb,
left foot on step, right leg pulled up with foot on rear jamb, swing butt
under right forearm and square to the wind... sidestep and "Arch thousand..."

I think the exit reduces refusals, it's pretty hard to get back in when
you're all twisted up like that :-)

Do any other places (not in Canada) do this?

-- 
-Jeff scrutton@predator.ocean.dal.ca

	Oceanography Department, Dalhousie University
	Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, B3H 4J1, (902) 494-3638
From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: More info about Piras accident
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:16:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Does anyone have info on the student? (low-timer)
From: kroon@alice.att.com (Peter Kroon)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Memorable jump
Keywords: New York, New York
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:41:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24452
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

This year's Ranch Annual Xmas party, was on Governors Island, which is
small island on the southside of Manhattan . The island is basically
a small community for Coast Guard personell and their families. 

Somehow, thanks to a lot of effort of Scott Evans (US CoastGuard) and 
Louis Tomaso, they managed to get all the approvals to make jumps onto
the island. This is no small feat, since this is one of the busiest
air corridors in the US (Newark, JFK and LaGuardia, plus all the helis
buzzing around Manhattan). The weather was cooperative, so it was sunny
and cristal clear. We flew 8 loads out of Bell jet ranger. 
Take-off from the Wall st Heliport. Exit altitude
was between 2500 and 5000 depending on ATC. I was lucky and got 4500 ft.
The view in the ride up was fantastic with the Manhattan skyline in the
background. The exit point was somewhere between Governers island and
the statue of Liberty (lots of water). I just went out, and enjoyed the
view. Unfortunately, time to pull came quickly, although the canopy
ride was also quite pleasant. The landing area was a soccer field, and
fairly easy to hit. Everybody, had a great time, and with some luck we
might be able to do it some time again in the future.


-- 
Peter Kroon  D-12374

phone: (908) 582 7000 
Email: kroon@research.att.com
From: mnl@ukc.ac.uk (M.N.Leonard)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Rumor that Wally Gubbins bounced??
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:23:07 GMT
Reply-To: mnl@ukc.ac.uk (M.N.Leonard)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <50610@shamash.cdc.com> gmh@cloud.awd.cdc.com (Gregory M. Heideman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.090657.14427@newstand.syr.edu>, kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu (Ken Cameron) writes:
>|> Which checking on the Prias incident we heard that Leo Dickison(Wally)
>|> had a total and went in. Granted this was reported to us as pure
>|> rumor but I know there are folks in UK, FL, and most of the jumping
>|> world that watch this net so this should be answered and hopefully
>|> disproved.

     Has anyone yet heard any news to substantiate or refute these
rumours? If so, can you email me to let me know. I along with  many 
other Brits would like to know, together with details if there are
any.
     Thanks in advance.
                       Mike Leonard 
                       University of Kent
                       Canterbury
                       England
                       UK
                      e-mail mnl@ukc.ac.uk
From: mtvahb@rivm.nl (Aldrik Bakema)
Subject: Re: Lockers at Schipol Airport
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:06:33 GMT

Sandip Kundu (kundu@watson.ibm.com) wrote:

: I am planning a little stop over in Europe on my way to India.
: I have no intention of carting my luggage (32" samsonite
: soft-side) around and would like to stow it away at Schipol
: airport, Amsterdam. I called a KLM customer service representative. 
: She told me that there are lockers available at Amsterdam airport
: but she has no idea if they are large enough to hold such
: suitcases. 

: I will appreciate answers from those who have availed this
: service at Amsterdam. Do they have full-service concierge 
: available, if so how much do they cost ?

: Sandip

Sorry, don't know about Schiphol itself, but:
At Schiphol airport there is a railroad station (very close to where you get 
through customs, I guesss 300meters or so), where you  can take a direct
train to Amsterdam central station (25 minutes or so, leaves every 15
minutes I think) that gives you two advantages: a very quick way 
into Amsterdam (I assume you want to go there anyway), and at the
central station they have a bagage storage counter.
Hope this helps,
Aldrik Bakema.

Xref: sparky rec.travel:16785 rec.railroad:10025
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Italian railways--is 1st class worth it?
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:51:26 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


In article <lipqk5INN8c0@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
writes:

#  I will be travelling to Italy in a few days and expect to ride one or
#  more of these routes: Milan-Rome, Rome-Florence, Florence-Venice,
#  Venice-Milan. 
#  
#  Is it worthwhile to buy a 1st class ticket on any of these?


Unlike British practice, certain FS (Italian) trains are first-class
only, so if oyu have a 2nd class ticket you cannot ride on the train.  I
believe all Rapidi are 1st class only.  If you are riding Milan-Firenze
you should definitely go on the Settebello, which is the most beautiful
train in Europe (VSOE not excepted) and costs about double the 1st Class
fare. 

If you are travelling a long distance, take drinking water on your
journey as you may not be able to buy anything to drink on your train. 

I found FS clean, punctual, attractive and frequent.  Often a branch
line parallels a main line, so if you have time you can ride the branch,
in older stock and at a comfortable pace. 

Re.  views, if you travel west out of Milan towards, say, Pisa or
Viareggio or Ventimiglia, look at the young women, who are the most
beautiful in Italy: slim, brown, dark haired, wide eyed and giggly. 
There's something magic in the gene pool there. 

Learn a bit of Italian as few Italians have good English.

Buon vacanze, Ken Johnson




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