From: jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins)
Subject: Re: Intellectuals & women
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:59:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.014023.1@udphvx.cineca.it> dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it writes:
>Sorry, Jason. I thought you had a mind, I discovered you are a 
>moron, and since I AM IN MISSION FOR *GOD*, I flame you, up 
>to the day that you'll die. Your fault, you are clueless.

No prblem, Michele.  I have realised along with everyone else in net.land
that you are mindless yourself, and if you want to continue your divine
mission of self-humiliation, that is fine with me.

>
>In article <1993Jan23.220140.6476@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan23.133840.1@udphvx.cineca.it> dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it writes:
>> 
>> So let's clean that up.  "To have a child can be the most wonderful 
>> experience for some women, but not necessarily for every woman."
>
>Those women are losers.

Well, considering you are King Loser yourself, I don't see why you have a
problem with that.

>>>
>> This statement must be stricken.  You have no way of proving I am cold to any
>> one but you.
>
>You are cold because you are a moron. A woman that *decide* 
>to have not children IS cold. Defending them , you ARE cold.

You are cold because you want to enslave women.  You are also cold because
you believe that women who would not fuck you should be hit.  You are cold
because you believe it is the man's right to rape women.  Fuck off and
die, cretin.  Compared to you I am the warmest, kindest little saint that
ever walked the face of the earth.

>>>
>> I agree.  Do you want to improve it?  Wake up.  Treat all human beings 
>> (including women) as equals.
>
>I do. Only speaking about rules and laws. I don't do it speaking 
>about sex and feelings. You know, I don't like to fuck guys.

Well, considering no woman with half a brain would fuck you, I suggest you
either fuck Liz, or find a nice piece of man-meat to receive.  I hear Witty
will need someone to screw after his discharge.

>> 
>AND HERE, THE PROOF THAT YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED:
>
>> Guess what?  If a woman loves her career, and realises that getting pregnant
>> and having to raise a child would keep her from doing the thing she loves
>> (her career) then I believe it is perfectly fine for her to opt not to 
>> have children.  Someone else will have children, instead, I'm sure.
>> 
>IDIOT, MORON, ASSHOLE, STUPID, COLD, FALSE *INTELLECTUAL* 
>GUY! You did not understand any fuck! You are clueless, you 
>belive on Santa Claus! 

Oh God!  Not believing in Santa Claus will make me open minded!!  Well, 
I'll be sure not to leave the milk and cookies for the reindeer this 
Christmas!

>
>THERE ARE *MANY* WOMEN THAT DECIDE TO HAVE NOT CHILDREN 
>BECAUSE THEY ARE *AFRAID* TO *LOOSE* THEIR JOB!!!!!!!!

VERY GOOD, MICHELE!!!  FOR THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE RIGHT. There *are*
many women who would lose their jobs if they got pregnant!  And if
they want to keep their job, I think that they should realise that.
And if they don't want to lose their job, and don't feel bad about
sacrificing childbirth, then they should just go ahead and keep their
jobs and not get pregnant IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT>

A woman has the right, like any human being, to make up her own mind.
TOUGH SHIT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
>
>OK?!?!? Can you understand this?!?!? And that's NOT fair!
>Jesus, you are an idiot.
It isn't fair??  Why sohould a woman *have* to get pregnant?  Do you
honestly believe that by giving the right to choose, every woman in the world
would opt to not have children?  YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT WHO EVER GRACED
A KEYBOARD!


>
>Anyway, you flame yourself.
>
>> It is not for me or you to decide what is best.
>
>There are women that think that to have a children is 
>something wonderful, (probably the most wonderful thing on 
>life) but they are not proud enough to make them because this 
>system DOES NOT LIKE THE MOTHERS THAT WORK! OK?

Then until the system begins to support working mothers, women who place their
career ahead of having children will just have to decide between one and the
other.  And they will have to stay away from fucked-up, brainless, rapists
like you.

>> 
>> No, it is not cold.  I maintain, that it is not for me to decide.  If I got
>> married to an actress, and told her, now that we're married, you are going to 
>> have to give up acting and have a baby, THAT would be cold.
>
>That's your mistake. The big one. I was going to understand 
>that you thought only about actresses. You are wrong. 

No that is YOUR mistake, asshole.  I was just giving an example.  You
can substitute "actress" with firewoman, waitress, business executive, what
ever.

But I forget, you are too idiotic to understand what an "example" is.
You have not figured out what a "sentence" does.  You have not learned
"irony" or "satire".  Maybe when you get out of elementary school, you
should rejoin alt.flame.
>
>============================================================
>There are many women, with a regular job, that loose that 
>job JUST BECAUSE THEY GET MARRIED! It does not happens to 
>good actresses. I told you, your world is smaller than mine.
>============================================================

FORGET IT.  The example I gave is lost on a fool like you.  Go ahead
and drown in your own ignorance.

Not all actresses and actors are rolling in money you know.  Many of us
are working our asses off, trying to make ends meet until we get any kind
of break.  I told you, your mind is smaller than mine.  Once again, this
is shown to be true.

>
>I can fall in love with an actress, I can love her all my 
>life, but IF she does not want to have children with me, I 
>make children with somebody else (I do not enforce her, boy). 
>But it is not a production of children, no. Probably, after a 
>while, I rather stay with the mother of my children than with 
>the sweet romantic actress. You *CAN'T* say that it is wrong.
>I have the right to have children with somebody that I love.

Yes, you do.  And if you want to have children, it makes sense that you
would have to be with a woman who does too.  My fiancee, wants to eventually
have children too.  So do I.  But we have a lot of working to do first.
We want to explore our careers, and when the time is right, maybe we will
have children.  I will not make the decision for her, and I love her all the 
same.

At the same time, this gives you no ground to decide anything for all women.
>> 
>> Yet you suggest that society would be a better place if women would put
>> having children ahead of the rest of their lives.
>
>That's not what I suggest, moron. There are women THAT THINK IN 
>THIS WAY, but are not able to decide. You don't know a fuck 
>about women.

Well, you are not able to decide for them.  Why?  You know even less
than I know about women.  You have made that painfully obvious.
>> 
>> It is too bad that you have not witnessed the struggle of women, fighting
>> to have those rights.  Many already work and have families.  Why
>> don't you get your head out of your ass?
>
>MANY?!?!? In which way? I am *sure* that MANY of them (women 
>that work and have a family) would prefer to live in a 
>system, THAT GIVES THEM MORE TIME TO LIVE WITH THEIR 
>CHILDREN! I know it, moron. 

You don't know shit, asshole.  You think you do, but you are a fucking
clueless freak.

I don't speak only with fucking 
>intellectual women, as you do. I spoke with all the classes 
>of people on my life!@! Not like you that care only about 
>your actress friends.

Oh fuck off.  Do you talk to your women before or after you beat them and
rape them?

>> 
>> That's what I would like to see in this world:
>>>Women fighting to improve the society giving to it the best 
>>>of women culture (yes, even the concept of love for the 
>>>children, instead of the concept of hate, that causes the 
>>>wars, tipical of men, dear boy). 
>> Why do you refuse to allow it to happen?
>
>You refuse it, asshole. You are saying that the system is 
>perfect, moron (YES, you said that telling me that:
>" Many already work and have families.  Why don't you get your 
>  head out of your ass?")

Never have I said that the system is perfect.  Where do you see that
statement?  Can you not understand the statement?  I said: "Many
women work and have families."  Where do you see me saying that the
system is perfect?  Do you have some messed up English-->Italian
dictionary?  You *Do* have your head up your ass!

>That's bullshit. They are not so many, and many of them are 
>not really happy to do it! They do it because they HAVE to 
>do it. But I already told you this.

Yes.  Michele knows it all friends!  He can speak for the entire human race!
Michele knows what is best for everybody!!  Listen to Michele!  HE IS GOD!!
(Please note the sarcasm, Michele, I forget some times you are mentally
impaired.)

>>  Why a woman DON'T 
>>>HAVE TO BE HAPPY ANYMORE FOR BEING A MOTHER?!? 
>> Because many people are fulfilled in other ways!  Where is it stated, 
>> ALL WOMEN MUST BE MOTHERS.
>
>You didn't understand any fuck! You think as a man, you are 
>cold and asshole. 

Listen to yourself, you blithering asswipe: "YOU NO UNDERSTAND NO FUCK!
ME BEAT 'EM AND RAPE 'EM GOOD."  Wankstain.

Read what Moana wrote about her mother, and 
>you will understand. Her mother decided to be *only* a mother,
>Moana said that she does not want to be like her mother. i
That is Moana's right to decide, and you have no place telling her what to
do.

But 
>Moana also said that women (her) are proud to be mother. It 
>means that she wants to have children too, one day. And a 
>career. Ask to her if she thinks that it will be easy.

Well, then I hope she is able to decide between the two possibilties.
The only thing that matters is that she is fulfilled.
 
>Remember, for *us* (the men) it is *very* easy. Not for them.

OH MY GOD!!  MICHELE HAS FINALLY GOTTEN HIS MIND JUMP STARTED!!
Very good, Michele!  Men have it all in society.  They don't have
childbearing reponsibilities, so they can do whatever the fuck they please.
Well, let me bring you up to date: Here in the Twentieth-century, Michele,
which I wish you would join one day, many people strive between "gender
equity".  This means we believe that men and women should have equal rights.
That means if a man and a woman have the same job, they get the same pay.
If they commit the same crime, they get the same punishment.  And if men
get to do whatever they want and never worry about carrying a baby around
inside them, then a woman can decide to do what she wants to do and not
get pregnant if she'd rather do something else.

>> 
>> I guarantee you that the same women who put their careers above childbirth
>> are also the ones who believe the system is fucked.  
>
>THEY ARE ALSO FUCKING THE SYSTEM!
No they are fighting the system.  The only system they are fucking is your
own.  And we have all evolved past your idiotic ways.


>
>>It is a fucked up
>> male idea that the woman belongs "barefoot and pregnant."
>						 ^^^^^^^^^
>A male idea that ones in a while women are pregnant?!? You 
>are out of mind, silly boy. It is just reality.

You have the amazing capacity for missing the point.  I did not say
it is a fucked up male idea that a woman is once in a while pregnant.
I said it is a fucked up male idea that the woman belongs "barefoot
and pregnant."                                    ^^^^^^^

Please try to get a clue before posting your nonsense again.

>It means that, to think that this system is not fucking up 
>women, it is a male thought. The women (my idea) had/have to 
>*change* the system, and *not* to belong to the system. They 
>did, but not enough. Therefore, the system it is still 
>fucked up. I belive that women can change the system in a 
>better way than men. That's the point. But many many women 
>don't give a shit or, worse, they don't belive on theirself.
>
But the answer is not for MEN like you to tell  WOMEN that they must
get pregnant and have babies.  That forces the woman right back into the
household, and she has the right to DECIDE, yes DECIDE, if that's the way
she is going to spend her life.


>> If they think in what way?  If they think that the system is fucked, you
>> mean?   How is that a "male thought".  And women must try to change the 
>> system...including the part of that same fucked up system that says
>> "women should be pregnant" and "it is okay for men to rape."
>
>It is ok for man to rape was a joke, to try to let you 
>understand, with your little mind, that here we were in 
>alt.flame. You can't use the bullshit of the other posts to 
>fight with me. I was not serious over there. 

Oh, yes I can use other posts to flame you!  Where did you get that idea!?
You are wrong, mother-fucker, wrong.  In my absolute humiliation of you, I
can use whatever I want!  
And enough about this "I was just joking" bullshit.  This isn't rec.humor, 
and the idea of you raping anyone, except your pet, is not funny.  You had best
be prepared to stand by whatever you say in alt.flame, or you can just
shut the fuck up.

Learn the rules of alt.flame before you try to lame your way thru this
newsgroup.

>I never said that they should be pregnant. What I am trying 
>to tell you, is THAT THERE ARE WOMEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE 
>PREGNANT, AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CAREER! And with the 
>actual system, it does not work fine. Do you get the point, 
>now?

Of course I get the point!  I HAVE SAID THIS MYSELF ALREADY!  Moron.

>
>Anyway, a big mistake of yours, is that you belive that 
>hundreds years ago the women were not happy. i

Oh?  So tell me, how do you know that women were happy hundreds of years ago.
Please list all of your sources!  I really want to know that women were
happy hundreds of years ago.  That would make me feel so good to know that
they were happy.  Please cite me all of the books (oh, I forgot, you don't
read).  Then please give me the address of all the two- and three-hundred
year old women who have attested to the fact that they were joyously happy
hundreds of years ago!


Michele, your never ending pile of dung continues to grow.  Can't you
take a hint and get the fuck out of here?