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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Nay-Sayers
From: fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie)
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:36:28 EST
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Organization: NASA/Kennedy Space Center, Florida

Back in the "good old days" of CP/M, an assembler was supplied as part of
the operating system.  Some users had terminal programs to use with their
110 and 300 baud modems.  Many were only able to call Bulletin Boards and
download (capture) text files.

Someone came up with a simple assembly language terminal program that had
X-Modem binary file transfer capability.  One could download this text file
using ASCII, assemble it, and use it to download a better terminal program!
 It was simple enough that one could type it in by hand, with a little
perseverence.

Today, a person with a recent Macintosh, can transfer text and binary files
from an MS-DOS disk using Apple File Exchange.  Such files might have been
downloaded from a BBS via an MS-DOS machine with a modem.  Even though the
binary files may have originated on another Macintosh, a transfered binary
PROGRAM is not useable on the Mac without MacBinary or BinHex file
conversion.

It is well known that programs exist for the Mac, that do conversions "on
the fly".  However, how can one download such a file, if one doesn't
already have it?

THE CHALLENGE:

1.  To devise a method of providing MacBinary, BinHex or equivalent
conversion capability or method, that can be passed over a text channel.

It would advantageous if such a method were simple enough to be published
in text form, and entered from the keyboard.

OR:

2.  Convince Apple to include a MacBinary AFE translator with future
releases of the operating system.

There is a pair of ShareWare translators, packaged as MAC2MB.SIT.  I
wouldn't be surprised if the author would consider an arrangement with
Apple.

fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov
From: saunders@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Kevin Saunders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Where is Comet (MIT term. emulator) ??
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:39:49 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <jgraham-010992110553@end.chem.indiana.edu> jgraham@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Jim Graham) writes:
>I think the MIT macintosh terminal emulator "Comet" is just great. 

Lest the net forget...

Comet comes to you courtesy of Cornell University, ABSOLUTELY FREE!  

The official production version is available via anonymous FTP from

   ftp.cit.cornell.edu

while the latest development versions can be obtained from

   comet.cit.cornell.edu

Enjoy,
bonze

________________________
Kevin Eric Saunders, CometMonger--"NeXT, please!"
   saunders@nmc.cit.cornell.edu
-- 

Kevin Eric Saunders, CometMonger--"NeXT, please!"
   saunders@nmc.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.mail.misc
From: "David Herron" <david@twg.com>
Subject: Re: return receipt
Sensitivity: Personal
Encoding:  29 TEXT , 1 TEXT 
Conversion: Prohibited
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Conversion-With-Loss: Prohibited
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:59:04 GMT

> In article <1992Aug25.183236.11956@news.eng.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>
>>It's none of anyone's business when I've looked at their mail.
>
>Are you saying that you don't think email should be a suitable medium
>for messages that infer responsibilities?
>
> -Les Mikesell
>   les@chinet.chi.il.us

That's an interesting philosophical question which has been floating around
in the e-mail community for some time.

HOWEVER, a practical consideration is that the X.400 guys have options in
their mail header for various interpretations of "return receipts".  One
is for delivery to the persons mailbox, another for notifying of errors
during transit, another for returning message content on error, etc.  So
for proper interoperation with X.400 systems this is something to worry
about.  (What I don't recall is if one of these are specifically "notify
when user has read it")

Besides that ... E-Mail needs to have a richer set of functionality.  As
it is people are unsure that mail gets through since lots e-mail systems are
rather lackadaisical about errors (and other problems).  So things like
delivery reports will improve the confidence factor.

BTW, in X.400 it is an *option* to reqest these delivery reports.  Any
proper UA should give the poor luser ways to request them...


<- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.mail.misc
From: thomas@serum.clpd.Kodak.Com (bulli@kodak.com)
Subject: Re: return receipt
Reply-To: bulli@kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company - Clinical Products Division
Distribution: clpd
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:47:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.135557.25132@qualcomm.com>, sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:
|> Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) writes:
|> >Suppose I have a program, such as 'procmail', 'filter' or 'mhook' etc., which
|> >files away my mail into folders or discards messages from certain users and so
|> >on. Should that send the READ receipt? If I use a POP client to retrieve my
|> >messages from a server, does that constitute 'reading'?
|> 
|> No.

Agreed.

|> ...
|> >forwarded to someone else, if they read a message have I read it?
|> 
|> No.

Agreed again.

|> 
|> A message is read when its contents are displayed to someone.  I don't
|> think the line is hard to draw.
|> 
|> >I don't want my privacy invaded by *my* mail user agent.
|> >I've "read" a message is me and I do that by replying. If I don't care
|> >to acknowledge receipt of your message that's my affair.
|> 
|> Were I to put such a feature in my MUA, I would make it settable:
|> 
|> 	[ ] Never respond to return receipts
|> 	[ ] Always respond to return receipts
|> 	[ ] Ask about return receipts
|> 
|> Those with paranoid delusions could use "Never".
|> -- 
|> Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
|> Yes, I'm still working on Eudora and it's still free.

But it's sometimes very necessary to know whether the message arrived at the
destination site! And that's exactly what "Return-Receipt-To" tells you.
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: armand@comm.mot.com (Arman Dolikian)
Subject: NewsWatcher over 9600 bps ARA link
Organization: Motorola LMPS STC
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:38:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm


I have tried launching NewsWatcher 1.3d6 from a Mac at home, connected
to work using a v.32bis  9600 baud ARA connection.  MacTCP seems to
load properly,  Telnet works fine,  and I can ping, do domain lookups,
and set mail using GatorMail Test.  I can even FTP using Fetch-it!  In
other words,  I feel fairly confident that my TCP/IP connect and configs
are working.  So....

When I Launch NewsWatcher,  I get the normal messages  (Opening MacTCP,
resolving newshost name,  opening connection, and then, the dreaded---

Getting Full Group List.........

At this point the beachball steadily rotates,  the Transmit/Receive
Lights on the modem flash occassionally, and that's as far as I get.
After 15 minutes of this, I give up.  One magic time,  I was actually
able to get past this point  (can't repeat it, though).  On that
one occassion,  once into the newsgroup list, reading, fetching, marking,
articles was VERY speedy, almost indestinguishable from local operation.

Is there some reason why getting the full group list sub-protocol is
such a weak link in operation when the NNTP connection is slow?  I've
also seen the same symptoms on Macs on LocalTalk behind "busy" GatorBoxes
or many hops away from the NNTP newshost.

Any suggestions?  Explanations?   Work-arounds?
Has anyone else experienced this?

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From: welchg@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Greg Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MacX w/ a modem
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:46:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Can anyone give me information about using MacX w/ a modem?  Specifically I
was wondering where I could find a "communications tool" that will work
with MacX.  When I try to chose the host/tool to use a modem (for a remote
command) "Apple Modem Tool" and "Serial Tool" are greyed out.  The manual
says something lame like "some modem tools will not work w/ MacX."

Thanks.

P.S.  E-Mail would be great
From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Looking for Unix-like TCP library for Think C 5.0
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:57:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BtpB0K.6v1.1
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon

I have a Mac IIci, Sys. 7, Asante ethercard, which I need to have communicate
with a Sun3 or Sun4 via the campus ethernet from within a program I am
currently writing.  The Mac has MacTCP 1.0.  I'd like to have this 
communication done using sockets & standard TCP/IP protocol.  Question:
is there any public domain (or share) library routines for Think C 5.0
which implement the standard UNIX socket library routines and #include
files (<sys/socket.h>,<netinet/in.h>, etc...>).  The developer's kit
I obtained from CMU under the site license was of little help, and I'd
rather not reinvent the wheel if these routines already exist out there
somewhere.

Please e-mail any pointers to such routines.  I will post responses
later.

(Furthermore, if there are some good docs on MacTCP laying around
somewhere, I'd sure like to know -- I'm not exactly sure what it does
wrt ethernet/Appletalk library routines.)

Thanks in advance,


-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: howes@xraylith.wisc.edu (Glenn Howes)
Subject: Re: Wanted CTB Kermit Tool Beta Testers
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 02:53:46 GMT

In article <15729.2A9EB154@zeus.ieee.org> Glen.Stewart@f175.n2240.z1.ieee.org (Glen Stewart) writes:
>In a message to everyone written on Friday, August 14, 1992 at 9:07:29 PM,
>howes@xraylith.wisc.edu writes:
>
>how-> it would be useful to some users right now. Anyway, I am
>how-> wondering if anyone would be willing to help test it to shake
>how-> any major (or minor) bugs out of it before I make it available
>how-> for general release.
>
>ABSOLUTELY!  I have several users on my BBS that would really enjoy working
>with it.  Also, I can provide it to the Flint APple CLub for testing as well.  
>Can you upload it here, or tell me where I can download it?
>
>Also, have you ever heard of a Zmodem tool in the public domain or shareware?


The tool is pretty much done. Ta dah. I'm going to shake it out over the
weekend, and do a little ResEdit tuning, and release it on Monday.

As for a ZModem tool, I have corresponded with someone (who will go 
nameless) who was considering writing one, but he can't have gotten
very far.



-- 
=======================================================
     -Official Spokesman:   //        Glenn Howes
All right thinking Americans ;-) //  howes@chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: hyu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Hongwei Yu)
Subject: Re: Hermes 2.0 -- where's the support?!
Summary: How to install Appletalk Remote Access on a Plus 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 20:15:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: ARA, Install,  Mac Plus
Followup-To: hyu@acs.ucalgary.ca 

A friend of mine just bought a Powerbook 145.  Part of the Powerbook
deal includes the Appletalk Remote Access Software.  He was trying
to install that ARA on to his old Mac Plus at home.  He found that
ARA software he got from the Apple dealer was on a high density
disk, which could not be read by his old Mac Plus.  So I was
wondering if anyone could provide some advice on how to install ARA
on a Mac Plus machine.  If possible, please give detailed
instruction on how to install ARA as I don't know much about the
Mac. Thanks in advance. 
-- 
Hongwei Yu                      Internet: hyu@acs.ucalgary.ca
Dept of Biological Sciences     Phone:   (403) 220-3810
Univ of Calgary                 Fax:     (403) 282-4839       

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rankin@ms.uky.edu (David W. Rankin Jr.)
Subject: Re: IP address
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:14:02 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <3896@sicsun.epfl.ch> Jacques_Membrez@sicsoft.epfl.ch (James 007) writes:
>Can somebody tell me the IP address of rascal.ics.utexas.edu ?
>Thanx in advance.
According to "nslookup", it's 128.83.138.20.
I would suggest that, if you're on a UNIX machine, that you check out
/etc to see if you have a program named "nslookup". What it does is checks
out the nameservers for a domain to give you the IP # from a name, or
vice versa, along with other stuff.

If you can't find it, you can ask your system admin about it.

Hope this helps,
>
>Jacques Membrez
>Swiss Fed. Inst. of Technology at Lausanne 
>Chem. Eng. Dept.
>
>Email to : membrez@sicsoft.epfl.ch

David W. Rankin, Jr.,  Mac Archiver for f.ms.uky.edu   Yorick on IRC
rankin@ms.uky.edu  rankin@ukma.BITNET rankin@ukma.UUCP uunet!ukma!rankin
Alternate addresses: rankin@ms.uky.edu  djrank00@aix3090b.uky.edu
---<Insert standard "These are my thoughts, and only mine." disclaimer here>---
"Now all has been heard;/ Here is the conclusion of the matter:/ Fear God and
keep his commandments,/ for this is the whole duty of man."
    "The Teacher", Ecclesiastes 12:13 (NIV)
    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rudi@netcom.com (Rudolf Usselmann)
Subject: Serial IO Additions ???
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:50:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Hi !

I'm looking for a NuBus card with a few serial
i/o ports. I know of the AE cards (one with one
without DMA). I'm wondering if there are any other
manufacturers of such cards.
Anybody has a used for sale ???

rudi
rudi@sparc.com
From: karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Conflict between monitor & network.
Keywords: Liason, RasterOps
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:43:22 GMT

Ever since I installed a 19 inch colour RasterOps monitor I've been having 
problems with my network connection.  Can anyone spot the conflict?

Hardware:	Macintosh Quadra 900.
		Running system 7.0 (1.1.1).
		RasterOps 19 inch Colour.

Network Software:

		Farallon's PhoneNET Liason.
		NCSA Telnet 2.3.
		MacTCP Tool.
		EtherTalk Phase 2.


Any ideas?



--

\ Internet: karlth@rhi.hi.is             \ Karl Thoroddsen University Of Iceland
 \ And in the end ...          The Beatles\ Department Of Computer Science
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.mail.misc
From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: return receipt
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.013300.29761@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:
>The messages that get sent back are by and large relatively small.  The
>example I know of for mail return was charging a small amount anyway.  It
>was charged by the kilobyte sent and for an acknowledgement, this could
>hardly reach 1K.
>
>Also, you can just accept it as part of the service.  You will probably be
>able to configure your mail reader not to send acknowledgements and there
>is always the possibility that incoming mail reciepts will be generated at
>no cost by your mail system.

This is all fine when you work in an environment like AARN or many of
the American networks where things are funded centrally. In New
Zealand, we pay for our traffic on a per byte basis. As the Internet
becomes more commercial, and I have no doubt that it will, the rest of
you will as well. Many countries around the Pacific, in Central and
South America and Africa etc. have problems with bandwidth. I looked
today and we shifted around 4800 messages in the last 24 hours. If
each causes the return of the two tier acknowledgement and say each
return message is 512 bytes that's 512 * 2 * 4800 ~= 4.8 Mbytes a day.
That's a significant chunk of a 2400 baud connection - and people are
still using them and still a reasonable slice of 9600 baud.

We've got a bit more bandwidth than that but we do pay around NZ$3 for
a Megabyte of data across our national network and a similar amount
for overseas traffic. Do the sums - it's around NZ$9000 a year. That
will almost buy me a couple of X-terminals or a couple of Gigs of
disk.

I'm seeking an assurance from those building and designing mail
interfaces that they remember that not everyone has bandwidth to burn.
Craig says "you will probably be able ..." and "there is always the
possiblity ...". 

I want better assurances than that!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Earl D. Fife <fife@calvin.edu>
Subject: Re: Where is Telpass?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6CB10A5D101042C@44.4.106.153.in-addr.arpa>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 3 Sep 92 05:45:25 GMT
Organization: Calvin College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:45:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.083250.26532@cco.caltech.edu> Hyong Chol Lee,
hyongel@cco.caltech.edu writes:
>I just ftp'ed a copy of Telnet 2.5. While reading the docs (a first!), I
came
>on a section which said that I would need to create an encrypted
password file
>using a program called Telpass which would keep others from ftp'ing to my
>machine. It also said that Telpass was part of the Telnet distribution,
but it
>wasn't included in my copy (came direct from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu). Could
anyone
>tell me where I could find a copy of this program? Thanks in advance!

When Telnet was first posted, Telpass was inadvertantly left out.  The
newer
posting (at zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu) is supposed to include it.  If you have
an
older version of Telnet, the Telpass that came with it will still work.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Earl D. Fife          |          Department of Mathematics
fife@calvin.edu       |          Calvin College
(616)957-6403         |          Grand Rapids, MI 49546

"Make up your mind, Margaret. First you tell me 3 plus 3 is 6, 
and now you tell me 4 plus 2 is six!"     --Dennis the Menace

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jgraham@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Jim Graham)
Subject: Where is Comet (MIT term. emulator) ??
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Rumor Control inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:05:30 GMT

I think the MIT macintosh terminal emulator "Comet" is just great. It has
several features lacking in even the biggest commercial packages.
Unfortunately I have a 1986 version (V.2.1B2). Does anyone have a more
recent version or know where I can obtain one ?

Thanks much

E-mail me:

Jim
jgraham@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu
From: gh@iff042.iff.kfa-juelich.de (Stefan Grotehans (3627))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: NFS,lp,lpr
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:47:16 GMT
Reply-To: gh@iff042.iff.kfa-juelich.de (Stefan Grotehans (3627))
Organization: Forschungszentrum (KFA) Juelich GmbH, Germany

Hi, 
Does anybody know where I can find a NFS program to access UNIX
files with my Mac? Is there a shareware/freeware version?
Additionally who knows a smart way to print from a mac on a unix system
via lp or lpr?!
Many thank for this silly Questions
Stefan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Peter Lindblom <pl@sam.tele.fi>
Subject: Apple Internet Router and <Bridge> problems
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6CBE175EF024322@pl.sam.tele.fi>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:36:21 GMT
Organization: Telecom Finland
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:29:41 GMT

I have a strange problem with Apple Internet Router:

We have a network with 7 machines running Apple Internet Router 2.0.
All machines are running system 7.0.1 with tune-up. All are on ethernet
(Cabletron 10BaseT ethernet cards) and EtherTalk Phase 1 is used.
The internet router (AIR) is used for accessing local printers behind
the macs. The machines running AIR are IIfx, IIcx and IIx.

The problems started with printers disappearing from the chooser. It
seems that AIR isn't routing these local printers anymore. Everything
has worked fine for months, but it may be that the problem is related
to upgrading to system 7.

When I check the net with InterPoll I see some strange things:

Case 1. AIR is running on the machine that I run InterPoll on:

   - there is one <Bridge> entry (Name=<Bridge>, Type=<Bridge>)

Case 2. AIR Router is not running on the machine that I run InterPoll on:

   - there are 13 <Bridge> entries.
   - The funny thing is that all 7 machines running AIR also have a
     <Bridge> entry. In addition there are 6 other <Bridge> entries.
    None of these <Bridge> entries is the same as in case 1.
   - Also for the machines running AIR I notice that the Net, Node AND
    Socket numbers are exactly the same as those of the workstation
    itself. The socket number is always 4.

for example:

      Net     Node      Socket   Name      Type
      160     35        4        <Bridge>  <Bridge>
      160     35        4        Roni      Workstation

What could be happening and why? Does anyone have any clues/hints?

-- pl

:::: Peter Lindblom ::::::::::::::::::::: Telecom Finland
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::
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: NewsWatcher Woes
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:51:37 GMT

ddl683@csc.albany.edu (Dreaming) writes:
>In article <BtM47H.725@hpbs654.boi.hp.com>, kmarko@hpbs654.boi.hp.com (Kurt
>Marko) wrote:
>> Unfortunately, every time I try and do this I get an error saying: "A
>> server error occurred: 425 Can't build data connection: Can't assign
>> requested address."  Every other aspect of NewsWatcher works fine, and
>I have a sneaking suspicion that going to MacTCP 1.1 would correct the
>problem.  I have no evidence to back up this claim, tho'.

I took a look at NewsWatcher the other day, and I had the same problem.
Suffice to say that MacTCP 1.1 does NOT fix the problem.

I found that quitting and restarting NewsWatcher often helped.

I didn't report the bug or check the dox, because it didn't take
long for me to decide that I still wasn't ready for a mac newsreader,
or vice-versa.
-- 
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Yes, I'm still working on Eudora and it's still free.