HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuality: What a beautiful choice!
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:45:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <TIM.93Jan23125523@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>(Is it me, or does anyone else notice a
>certain anit-gay bias in the wording and presentation of news on CNN
>and Headline News.)

I don't know how Ted feels personally, but from what I've heard, he
doesn't like the fundies like Robertson.  I also seem to remember
seeing that his cable empire does not discriminate on the basis of
sexual orientation.  I also remember seeing him with quite a few
little red ribbons over the years.  Besides, he's married to friend
Jane.

>  Personally, I'd prefer it if someone with big 
>bucks -- like David Geffin or Elton John -- would start his own
>foundation and crank out some ads that show gay folk in a positive
>light.

These folks already give tons of money to AIDS care, education, and
research.  I'm not sure what their feelings are concerning general
social equality.  They probably don't have much real-world exposure
and what they had growing up was probably forgotten/denied (one reason
why a lot of people don't get behind youth out-reach programs is
becuase of denial of their own very painful childhood).

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Clinton Gets Earful at Open House
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:43:14 GMT

> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>>
>>Today's (1/22/93) New York Times reported on the 3,000
>>people who showed up at the White House yesterday to greet
>>the Clintons and Gores..
>>
>>    "Mr. President, I wanted to tell you I was so excited
>>    when I received my call," said Chris Henry, who like
>>    most of the visitors sent postcards to Washington and
>>    were notified last week that they would get tickets to
>>    meet Mr. Clinton.  "And I wanted to call my parents.
>>    But they aren't talking to me for the last 11 years
>>    because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
>>    will change that."
>
>I'm missing something. Does she expect Clinton to call her parents and
>talk to them? Maybe invite her parents to a party without telling them
>that Ms. Henry would be coming as well, and force a confrontation? If
>not, how does she expect a different president to change her parents's
>minds?
>
>He's just a president, people. He's not Zeus.

My, aren't we a teensy bit literal-minded?  Other readers,
I imagine, were easily able to fill in the blank, as in "I
hope your Administration will [foster a climate of tolerance,
respect, inclusion, understanding, healing and celebration of
our glorious diversity in America so that one day we can]
change that."

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Text of new OCA anti-gay initiative (LONG)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:00:50 GMT

In article <13979@optilink.COM>, walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
> This sounds too much like the arms race of yesteryear where
> we first had missles, then anti-missle missles, then
> anti- anti-missle missle missles, etc.  Why not just remove
> the laws and policies that support discrimination e.g. the
> ban on gays in the military, the inequalities created due to
> the legal institution of marriage being available only to
> straights, etc.  This would be more constructive, would make
> for a smaller government, and would see less resistance from
> those who are bigoted, ignorant, or fearful.

  Well, this is all nice in theory but when exactly do you
suppose we will get marriage removed from state involvement,
en toto? It is so intertwined in the fabric of law and society
that I don't think we could even understand its extent unless
we legalized it for whomever wanted to make that sort of compact.
  As far as heinous statist intrusions into person liberty goes
marriage isn't, at it's core, necessarily all that bad of one.
(if one looks at it as a boilerplate contract with a generally
agreed upon set of rules). The inequity of marriage laws is
that they are exclusionary to non-het partnerships. It would
be far easier to just legalize it (and probably 10e9 times
more likely of happening).
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Are Queens Bitchier, Really?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:54:25 GMT
Organization: Castle Anthrax

In article <1993Jan27.155759.27905@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.200906.23519@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>
>>Clay Bond was never vulgar, or stupid, for that matter.
>
> 4) I'm reading Steve Dyer typing that he was never vulgar, or stupid?

Reminds me of "A Fish Called Wanda". Specifically, Otto's brilliant
line:  "*You're* the vulgarian, you *fuck*!"
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:25:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.120353.3202@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com
(Joseph Francis) writes:

>I can't disagree more. A tall glass of milky brown coffee, 
>[...]

Well, if it's ice cream flavored with coffee that one wants,
by all means have it.  I like it too.

But coffee is hot and contains neither cream nor sugar.
Anything else is something else.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:09:51 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1993Jan20.170229.12835@sei.cmu.edu> rlv@sei.cmu.edu (Randy Vandermolen) writes:
>
>I also saw that episode and thought that the Kardassian was a little 'funny'.
>Seeing that he had made friends with the Doc shows he has good taste.

Yuck.  Sure he's kind of cute, but I couldn't help but notice that the
first thing he did when being introduced to Lt. Dax *in an official
capacity* was to ask her on date.  This would be like your first day
at a new job, being introduced to a co-worker and making a pass.
Geez, they managed to come up with a bigger airhead than Beverly Crusher.
At least Crusher was eventually able to rise above it, maybe he will too.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:32:06 GMT

ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu (The Dreamer) writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) says:
>>That he will turn out to be gay is not likely, considering
>>how he was pursuing Lt. Dax in the most recent episode.

>>So far, I consider the two most interesting characters on the show
>>to be Commander Sisko and Odo.

>     Lt. Dax, if you all remember, has been both male and female since
>"she" switches bodies from time to time.  Therefore, she is probably
>bisexual.  Perhaps one of her previous lovers will show up :-).

	Don't hold your breath.  The edict from Paramount is: "no
non-het characters on Star Trek shows" - *esp.* DS9.  This is because
they want to avoid the consistant between-season rumour that "someone
said next season there's going to be a gay character....". They
perceive it gets them in trouble with advertisers who treat all SF
as 12-15 year-old marketing and with the religious right who have the
gall to demand that they conform to their levels of acceptability and
at the same time call other non-$$$ generating SF Satanic.

	Mike Piller just doesn't have the same clout as Gene had.
They gave him (and Rick Berman) DS9, because it has potential to 
make $$$ in the interim before the next-next gen series (in the
development stages, that's all I know), and there's no stock fgor
them to jepoardize it with "controversial" elements.

	Given the other stuff being offered this year, the best
bet is Space Rangers (the female pilot comes from a planet
of all womyn --- I rather doubt it's celebate womyn, and the bear
has had some breat lines I would swear came from here... though they'll
be too stoopid to make someone who isn't an IM model queer...), 
Or Babylon 5.  [B5 reportedly has David Gerrold on the staff who
wrote a GBLO*-oriented ST:TNG episode (not a very good one) that was
never filmed.  As a result of this he and Gene didn't speak for 4 years.
I suspect that "The Outcast" was part of the reconcilliation, but 
anyone who has seen it knows it reeks of 'altered script syndrome']

	The rumours are floating around that if B5 gets turned into
a series, there will be a gay character.  I'll believe it when I see it.

BBC

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con (Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:24:06 GMT


Whenever I see Melmon's name, I'm reminded of "Melmoth", a homebuilt
airplane that its designer/builder claimed would be a _wonderful_
airplane; faster, better, cheaper, prettier than anything that ever
rolled out of a factory.  We readers of Flying magazine got to follow
its design and construction in agonizing detail.  Then finally came the
wonderful day that it was finished and the testing began.  After a
careful taxi envelope expansion, it was time to leap off the runway
and flash through the sky, vindicating the designer.  On to the active
runway, full throttle, and away it raced down the concrete.  Faster,
faster, nosewheel liftoff should happen momentarily, 5,000 ft of
runway left, 2500 ft of runway left, 1500 ft of runway left, and still
Melmoth the wonderplane was on the ground.  As the end of the runway
loomed ever closer, even the pround progenitor of Melmoth recognized
that it wasn't going to leap into the air.

That's Melmon; lots of high-speed taxi tests that never get into the
air. 
-- 
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR  shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Unsafe/safe,Unsafer/safer,Unsafest/safest
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:27:00 GMT

Can I have your autograph?

*holds out a pen and pad*

Huh?  Please?

Donald - Oh my God.  Jojo is becoming one of my idols.
         Somebody call the police ...
From: wilsonscottr@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hair Stylists (was Re: ah, Iowa)
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:35:02 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <thaaang.727711801@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
replies:

>>go to the meetings and only two of them are gay.  (BTW,, I think the known 
>>fag count is up to 4 this year)
> 
> Pff. That'd barely make an orgy...

No comment.

> 
> Well, duh! I knew *that* (except that I didn't know she'd been misquoted).
> What did she do on the show? How did she lampoon it?

At the end of her last song, she pulled out a picture (of Amy Fisher's 
lover, Joey, I think), yelled "Fight the real enemy!" and tore the picture 
into pieces...fade to black...go to commercial.

 
> Did she and Pat get together and fall in love? That would have been
> cute.

No, but the guy that was the "star" (I use that term loosely) and Pat had 
sex 8 times on a deserted island and he still couldn't tell if Pat was a he or
a she.

 
> You're asking *me* about how to deal with hairstylists? Hahahahaha.

That's right.  Okay, so maybe in your case this is a hypothetical 
situation.  Any pointers?

BTW, have I told you about Oklahoma City yet?
;^)

-- 
       Scott Wilson       wilsonscottr@bvc.edu	

	"When a straight guy meets a gay guy, right away he thinks to 
	 himself that the gay guy wants to suck his dick.  I say, `Doll,
	 don't flatter yourself!'"  -Scott Valentine
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Need TX FAX numbers! (was Congressional Contacts on Military Unban?)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:48:18 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <noell.728099936@convex.convex.com> noell@convex.com (Katherine Noell) writes:
>Sen. Bob Krueger (just replaced Bentsen)
>(202)224-5927
>
>Sen. Phil Gramm (blech)
>(202)224-2934
>
>Cong. J.J. (Jake) Pickle
>(202)225-4865

Can anyone provide those much needed fax numbers?  I called their
office and they said that they didn't give those out (the nerve).

-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton may not issue Executive Order
Date: 18 Jan 93 23:35:40 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <15469.2b556b5d@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, by chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu:

> I read that Clinton is continuing to backpedal on allowing
> gays in the military.  The latest plan being floated would eliminate the need
> for an Executive order...  The reaction from GLBO groups in D.C. was angry,
> since they want the publicity that an Executive order would bring.     

Not only the publicity, but that kind of statement.
This backpedaling makes me wonder:  Is Clinton really bowing
to pressure from interest groups as some say, or is he himself
not confortable with the idea of gays in the military?

> The question is this, with the military issue is the symbolism more important
> than the substance?  Is it important that the miliary ban be ended in *any* way
> possible or should GLB folk push for a public condemnation of the current
> policy by President-to-be Clinton?

I believe that both should occur.  Of course, Clinton cannot
be forced to think correctly, but he should be held accountable
for breaking his promises.  The ban on gays in the military
should be overturned any way possible, but the best way would
be by having the president take the lead, and not just be
another turd in the current of a strong river.
-- 
Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh
AOL: BigCookie -- Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- USCF: L10861
"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:29:56 EST
From: <REC8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Jon Secada

Does anyone know what Jon Secada's professed sexual orientation is?  For some r
eason I think he's married but I'm not sure.  Are there any rumors?

------------------------------------------------
Ronald Edmond Chennault       REC8@psuvm.psu.edu
Penn State University    "Love, peace, and soul"
From: R.M.Chandler@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:10:08 GMT
Reply-To: R.M.Chandler@lut.ac.uk (Richard Chandler)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

In article <1jrdj1INNe5a@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <93023.055143BURGER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> bb 
><BURGER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>> What I did notice when I started this coming out process was that with 
>> some people I used the term "not heterosexual" as opposed to "gay" or 
>> "homosexual."  Semantics? Maybe. But I just found that term easier 
>> with/on a few of my more straight friends.
>
>Oh, heavens.  Why sugar-coat it?  Not a single person I've ever
>known has been surprised that I'm gay.  Just tell them that you're
>gay and get it over with.  It really isn't a big deal.  Oh sure,
>it seems like it's a huge thing, but who the fuck cares any more?
>
>Arne

I'd go along with that, except just to point out that it doesn't really
matter if you tell someone upfront, or spend 15 hours getting round to it,
the reaction will be the same.

You're unlikely to influence their decision by beating around the bush,
nor putting it as gently as you can. It't their problem,if they can't
cope with it, and it's easier to detach yourself from someone you don't know
very well, than to wrench apart an otherwise strong friendship, because you
can't bear them hating you for something you haven't done.

Try to be selective about who you tell, I started with people very close to
me, the first I had known for about 10 years before telling him. He didn't
take it badly, infact proved quite a good friend, although there was a little
confusion at the outset as to why I was telling him, but that lasted for about
ten minutes. Latterly I told everyone a few weeks after starting University,
which was the worst thing I've ever done.

After the first year, things died down a little, and I began to make friends,
some of whom I haven't told, and can't see the point in telling. I can see
that it's going to be taken bad, so I don't bother, the person doesn't mean
enough to me to tell, to put up with their problems, as it were. 

You're gonna loose some friends, and you're gonna make some friends, but
the friends you keep will be real friends, and ultimately, that is where
you reap the rewards of telling people. Who gives a banana about the ones
that can't cope with it, it's their problem. And I get told that by my
straight friends, who know what it's really like to be on the receiving end
of someone comming out, so they should know !

Be careful ...

	Luv and huggs,

                               Richard Chandler.

Final Year Computing Student  @  Loughborough (Lufbra) University Of Technology

Internet : R.M.Chandler@hpb.lut.ac.uk        Janet : R.M.Chandler@uk.ac.lut.hpb

               These are my views, and I haven't got a funny sig.
From: drogers@msi.com (David Christopher Rogers)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: promiscuity
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:28:06 GMT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.


    Message-ID: <73520@cup.portal.com>
    From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com

    >> Just how many soc.motss folks have had 3 partners or less? How many
    >> hetero-folk? Why doesn't somebody just do a survey?

How many sexual partners have you had, Arthur?

I'm taking a survey, and you're my first data point...

David Christopher Rogers
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mwinches@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark D Winchester)
Subject: Help with possible trip to UT Austin for dissertation research...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:51:11 GMT

Hey folks!

I just found out from my committee that I have to go to Texas to get some 
dissertation research done at the University of Texas at Austin....

Does anyone have any really good suggestions about places near the University 
that are extremely cheap and gay-positive?  I will be traveling alone in the 
third week of March (or thereabouts) and stay there for about two to three 
days.

I am continuing my work on Cartoon Theatricals and the theatrical producer Gus 
Hill and they have documents that I *have* to examine.

Thanks in advance for your help/answers/suggestions/and nonsequiters...

:Mark

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: From the lowlands...
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:30:16 GMT


Hey everybody!

I just wanted to post a quick note saying that I am OK, and
that it looks like everything is going to be fine. I had always
wanted to know what 10 inches of rain looked like, especially
since it fell in 12 hours. Well, now I know. I hope I never
see it again.

The only thing I am worried about is my car. My shoes (which had been
in the floorboards) floated over and touched me on the legs just
before it gave up the ghost. I managed to start it today, but the
poor thing is starting to look a little haggard.


"How much rain fell in how concentrated an area?"

The river was flowing in TWO directions!  On the south side of
town, the river flowed south towards the Gulf. On the north side
of town the river flowed north trying to get back into the swamp
from whence it came. It was the strangest thing I had ever seen!


Still, my house is on three feet of cinder blocks, and the water
was lapping at the window sills last night at about 2am.



Damp, but carring on,
Rendell
From: Randu@cup.portal.com (Randall - Jabaay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:36:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


>>Roy@panix.com writes:
>>Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Sexual abuse is an illegal assault.
>LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu writes:
>Pedophilia is _not_ a sexual orientation...Well,would you consider a 
>rapist to have a sexual orientation to rape?

    I believe we have a problem with terminology here. I would say a 
rapist is sexually _inclined_ to rape,but a man who rapes women is
still sexualy _oriented_ to women the same as a normal heterosexual man
who _doesn't_ rape women. A child abuser or rapist is not necessarily
sexually oriented towards children,but is inclined by some some mental
defect to do so. A pedophile,on the other hand,feels as natural about
his sexual orientation to children as a hetero,homo,or bisexual person,
feels about their own orientation. A pedophile had no more choice in 
choosing that orientation than any other person had in picking theirs.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bill@psych.toronto.edu (Bill Pusztai)
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:18:48 GMT

 
In article <1993Jan21.235502.745@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:
/"And one day the chicken woman had chicks, and everyone stepped
/on them because they were sooooo ugly."
 
Or as my grandmother used to say, "Tiz liba, egy malac."
 
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