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From: arup+@cs.cmu.edu (Arup Mukherjee)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:21:35 GMT

In article <C17IGF.4Mo@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob) writes:
>  Actually, I-80 across Pennsylvania rivals many western highways
>for wide-openness and lack of major towns along the way.  Of course,
>this makes the 300 miles or so of constant 55 MPH speed limits
>all the more ridiculous.
>

True, but it's also perpetually under construction  ...
("Welcome to PA... Single lane most of the next 300 miles" :-) and liberally
sprinkled with craters. I doubt that PA has any plans to remedy this, since it
forces more people to take the PA Turnpike which is, mile for mile, possibly
the most expensive toll road in the US. [Does anyone have a counterexample? The
insane bridge tolls into New York City don't count...]

PA and your car: Keep them as far from each other as you can, if you have any
choice in the matter.

-Arup



Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: hvozda@wilbur.psu.edu (Eric Hvozda)
Subject: Re: Insurance question
Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:35:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.160412.20687%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.) writes:
>
>If given a moving violation with no points, how would this be
>treated?

In Pennsylvania, this is not possible; all moving violations have points
asscociated with them.

Are there states out there that do not?
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Nordic Trac vs. Fit One
From: kroin@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:27:57 EST
Followup-To: Nordic Trac vs. Fit One,misc.consumers
Distribution: na,world

In article <1993Jan26.214200.2269@calvin.edu>, clak@calvin.edu (Kelly James Clark) writes:
> I saw a Joe and Jennifer Montana infomercial extolling the virtues of a ski 
> machine named Fit One.  Their statistics proved it was better than Nordic Trac.
> And it is cheaper.  My wife is interested in a ski machine.  Any advice?
> 
> Anyone with either machine is invited to extoll the virtues of their own; but
> that special someone who has tried both machines is especially invited to 
> reply.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kelly Clark
> clak@calvin.edu 
-- 
      +--------------------------------------------------------------+
      J.S.K@Lilly.Com is really Julian Kroin,late of Indpls. IN.
      +--------------------------------------------------------------+

I bought a Nordic trac in 1986 and use it 5x a week and have no complaints.
Their customer service is excellent and the machine wears like the pyramids.
Unlike Joe and Jenny the only benefit I get out of this testimonial is too see
this response posted before the world . Stan 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.usa,misc.misc,rec.autos
From: rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:50:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Does anyone know the legal requirements for speedometer accuracy in the US ?
>Also, does anyone know the manufacturer's quoted accuracy for radar units
>used in both static and mobile modes ?

To read at or above the actual speed.  I don't think they are ever allowed to
read higher.  Looking at car and consumer magazines, I have never seen a speedo
read below the actual speed.

>4 mph in 65 mph is a quite small percantage.
>Remember that if the police use radar, they just CANNOT work on the minimum
>accuracy of their speedo/radar - they HAVE to add in the maximum tolerance
>on your speedo:

>	Example: My speedo says 65. It has +/- 4% accuracy, and
>		 actually reads 4% low. My real speed is therefore 67.6 mph.

But you are actually seeding.  Technically, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

>		 Now, along comes Mr. Policeman, with his nice shiney new
>		 radar unit - which he never read the manual of, and no-one
>		 ever explained to him that its accuracy can be upto
>		 (say) +/- 4%. It actually reads 4% FAST.

Modern police radars are exceptionally accurate.  They are capable of measuring
speed very accurately, and always round down, so this theory is out the window.

>His device is legally correct, and within tolerances, so is mine.
>I say I am doing 65, he says 70 - we are both right.

Let's say your speedometer was reading 65 and he clocked you at 70.  You are
not "both right".  You thought you were obeying the speed limit, but were in
reality speeding.  The fact that you didn't know you were speeding has little
to do with the fact that you were.

==================================================================8--<
Dave Rotheroe                rotheroe@convex.com              DoD#0045
CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX 75083-3851, (214) 497-4512
Death is a reward for being responsible.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Deer Whistles
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:29:34 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

This subject has been discussed at length in rec.motorcycles.

The general concensus is that they are useless in actually avoiding
deer.  The highway patrol of some rural deer infested state ran a
multi-year study of them, mounting them on half their cars.  Deer
accident data were identical between the whistle equiped and
whistleless cars.

One netter's logic was, "My test of what *works* is what you see on
beat-up old pickup trucks out in the boon docks.  Beat up old pickups
out in the boon docks don't have deer whistles on them, only sedans
from the city have deer whistles."  Make of that what you will...  :^)

Personal testimony, of course, is highly questionable.  "I put them on
my car, and I haven't been hit by a deer yet," is hardly a confirmation
of their effectiveness.

OTOH, they almost certainly do not *attract* deer, so you have nothing
to lose but the $5 (and possibly the respect of beat up old pickup
truck drivers).

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
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 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski)
Subject: Re: How to fight telemarketers
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:50:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.184535.17960@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 	What irks me most of all is the computer auto-dialers.  Most
> of them won't relinquish the line if you hang up on them.  I've
> had my line tied up for *30 minutes* whlie it cycles thryu the whole
> schpiel!  Aside from leaving msgs in the gaps like "I can't dial 911
> when your computer is holding the line hostage" and "Mom`s dialysis
> machine has failed and she's not looking too good" nothing has
> seemed to work...

Most modern phone company equipment will disconnect if the called party 
hangs up AND stays on-hook for twenty seconds or so.  Did you try this?

I agree that telemarketers are a pain, though.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:22:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 727653014@convex.com, rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
>
>Modern police radars are exceptionally accurate.  They are capable of measuring
>speed very accurately, and always round down, so this theory is out the window.

Police radars only measure as accurately as they are (a) calibrated,
and (b) used properly.

Doppler radar devices do usually indicate a speed slightly lower than
actual, but for a different reason.  Indicated speed is the actual
speed, times the cosine of the angle formed by the velocity vector of
the target (ie, straight ahead), and the line from the target to the
cop.  Only if the cop is standing directly in front of the car is this
angle 0, thus indicated = actual.  For greater offset angles, the
cosine drops off, and indicated < actual.  The limit is at 90 degress,
when the auto is moving past the cop with no component of its velocity
towards or away from him.  In this case, cos(90) = 0, which is the
indicated speed, regardless of actual speed.

None of this particularly helps in court, however, since it says that
at best, the cop recorded your actual speed, and in reality, you were
probably going faster!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Gevalia Kaffe Offer
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:33:06 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkf.col.hp.com

I tried the Gevalia coffee and thought it was only a little better
than Boyer Brothers, which I get at the supermarket for around $6
a pound. So I quit the "club" with no trouble at all, and kept the
coffeemaker, which is nice.

Something no one has mentioned is that you can set up the parameters
of your "membership": you can choose how much coffee you want, what
kind, AND how often. So if you just want a little bit of expensive
coffee, you can set it up so you don't get the shipments very often.


-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: How to fight telemarketers
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:46:08 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <C19L1C.B85@icon.rose.hp.com> bparrish@rose.hp.com (Bill Parrish) writes:
>
>Continuing this discussion on telemarketing...
>
>Last night I got a call soliciting money from an organization called the
>Police Officers Research Association (I think it was... definately had
>the word Research... so I was guessing they were doing a survey).
>
>The guy said they are the largest organization advocating rights for
>police officers... After I told him I knew several police officers,
>and none of them had ever mentioned the organization to me, they
>finally went away... but I'm curious... is this legit?  If not, maybe
>a scam alert is called for.  
>
    The Santa Clara County Sheriff has some sort of organization
    running a similar scam in the area.  I once contributed...and
    the receipt that came had the disclaimer notice that identified
    this supposedly affiliated charity as a Political Action
    Committee.  

    The thing is actually run by some deputies...and the folks you
    deal with are usually deputies, but it is NOT really affiliated
    with any legitimate charity.          

>(as an aside)... for some reason this time of year (mid January) always
>brings a rash of these sorts of calls in our area.  Maybe the new directory-
>by-phone-numbers comes out in January... we are not in the street-address
>directory because we unlisted our address with Pac Bell to prevent exactly
>this sort of thing.
>
    A sequential auto-dialler just dials numbers.  It doesn't use
    directories as such.

    Strange, I usually get the calls in the summer.
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirsten Starcher)
Subject: Gingko substitute
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:45:48 GMT

At one of the health-food stores here, the store owner was trying to sell me on
a gingko-like product called something like Matol or Madol or Motal... I can't
remember exactly what it was called.  He seemed to think it was just as
effective.  He compared the effect to the waking-up aware feeling you get with
a cup of coffee, but without the jittery nervousness.

Does anybody know anything about this product?  What's it made of?  Is it at
all addictive?  Is it as good as gingko is reported to be?

Thanx.


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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: rkaplan@netcom.com (Richard Kaplan)
Subject: Re: Chiropractics?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:48:27 GMT

In article <47960001@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com> jeffs@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva)
 writes:
>I too have heard of MD's sending a patient to a chiropracter. Just out
>of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of a chiropracter sending a
>patient to an MD?


Yes, this does happen, usually when the chiropractor suspects
the patient has a problem which is neither self-limited
nor  stable, i.e. one which might progress without 
appropriate medical intervention.




-- 
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From: bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Scientific Basis for Homeopathy?
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:39:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: elvis.BSIMON.93Jan27073903
	<STIGH.93Jan26193051@harry.itk.unit.no>
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.

Kent's "Lectures on Homeopathic Materia Medica" was based on his
lecture notes on his course on materia medica. In this course he would
summarize the symptoms mentioned in other materia medica, trying to
put them in a easily remembered form. His work proved very popular and
later editions of his Materia Medica expanded on his edition by
including every scrap he had ever written on materia medica. The
introduction to my edition (B. Jain 1971) warns that these additions
are incompletely proved and confirmed. Among these additions I could
only find one proving, a proving of copperhead venom made by 7 people.
The idea is not that this proving would stand on its own, but that
when combined with the results of other provings would provide a clear
picture of the symptoms provoked by this medicine. We're so used to
statistical studies in medicine that we try to fit all medical
observations into the form of a double blind study. In some ways
homeopathic proving are more like taxonomy. For example a taxonimist
would not try to compute an "average finch" from his or her many
observations of finches. Instead he or she would try to find what
features are common among all finches as well as the variations
observed among the finches. In the same way a proving tries to bring
out the common symptoms of the medicine as well as the idiosyncracies
that some people have.

I think the description of X-Ray comes from Boericke's Materia Medica.
I too found it pretty strange. As the introduction to this Materia
Medica states, it includes homeopathic medicines that are obsolete or
even illusory in an attempt to list every medicine ever mentioned in
the homeopathic literature (up to that time). I have never heard of a
homeopath using X-Ray, but that doesn't prove much. I think the moral
here is never skip the introduction of a book, it's important!

Just out of curioisty how is it that you've read these homeopathic
materia medica? It seems a pretty strange choice of reading material
for someone who isn't a homeopath.

 
--
Bernie Simon 		What we know comes to so little
(bsimon@stsci.edu)	And what we presume is so much  -- Neruda
		
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: jrosti@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jussi Rosti)
Subject: Rescue Remedy
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:13:53 GMT

	There has been some discussion about Rescue Remedy. I have two tiny
bottles of it that my girlfriend imported from England, but I have no
idea what this medicine is for. I recall reading in this group that it
relieves shock.

	I would like to know

	a) what kind of shock does it relieve, a real medical shock
	state or just a little agitation

	b) is to relieve shock its main indication

	c) is there any other indications

	d) anything else about the medicine or its constituents i. e.
	flowers of Rock Rose, Clematis, Impatiens, Cherry Plum and Star
	of Bethlehem.


Jussi Rosti

Internet: Jussi.Rosti@Helsinki.FI

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From: smlacke@isrc.sandia.gov (Scott M Lackey)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Chiropractics?
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:05:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: isrc.1993Jan21.220511.18916
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM

From article <1993Jan20.204028.28245@tcsi.com>, by robert@kohlrabi.tcs.com (Robert Blumen):
> In article <1993Jan20.042327.13943@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) writes:
>> 
>> I was wondering what the reasons were for the looking down upon the
>> chiropractic field?  Some people swear by them and others consider
>> them quacks.  A chiropractic spoke during a kinesiology lecture last
>> semester and was greeted with some hostile questions about her field.
>> I, on the other hand, was impressed with what she had to say.  Is there
>> a history behind this stigma that has been associated with chiropractics?
>> 
> 
> Chiropractics has long been villified by the medical profession who don't
> like any competition.  However, the profession of chiropractics has
> extremely shady beginnings.  A fellow named Palmer developed it
> originally, and he was a real snake oil salesman.  One story about him is
> that he had formulas for how long a patient needed to continue to come in
> and be adjusted that incorporated the patient's income as one of the
> dependent variables.   I have heard many stories of chiropractics who
> exploit patients by having them come in for months or years on end of
> "adjustments" without ever really sovling their problems.  In my opinion,
> the field is getting more professional and reputable in recent years.

	If my recent minor (very minor!) traffic accident experience is
any indication, then professional and reputable are not words that
can be reasonably associated with chiropractic.  My phone rang off the
hook for 4 days and I got about a cubic foot of mail.  Apparently I was
hurt really bad but didn't know it.  It was immensely irritating having
to finally just hang up on chiropractors who literally would not
admit that I just plain had not been injured.  My roommate is a lawyer
and says that most of the mailings went exactly as far as you can go
without being illegal.  I got offers of free stuff (meals etc.) if I
let them give me a free exam.   
	I don't know if there is any value to chiropractic, but they are
desperately in need of an ethics board or something.  For those who 
will say not all are sleazy, I checked the yellow pages and I was 
contacted by about 40% of those listed.  Compare with 0% of  M.D.s

Scott Lackey
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: lstorm1@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (lee.storm)
Subject: Re: Bach Flower Remedies
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:29:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.173316.27607@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>In <1993Jan12.140902.13040@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard
>Foulk) writes:
>
>>>The good news is that, unlike traditional medicine, or even herbs, you
>>>can not do any harm by taking the wrong flowers.  Therefore it is OK
>>>to experiment.
>
>Aha, we'll have to try it!  Richard, do you know of a good source for
>fairy dust, and have you found any particular varieties more effective
>than others?
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>Pete



Hi,

The only question of "harm" I raise is from my studies of
Traditional medicine involving the humours and temperaments.  If you
take the wrong flower/herb/etc., you could produce an imbalance to one of the
humours or temperaments.

Just curious as to your thoughts on that one.

Peace and Health,

Lee Storm


Do not walk behind me; I may not care to lead.   | (Mrs.) Lee Storm
Do not walk before me; I may not care to follow. | AT&T Bell Laboratories
Walk beside me, and be my friend.                | lstorm\@hlwpy.att.com
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From: lbrown@cisco.com (Lawrence Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Chiropractic Mailing List
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:10:40 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com
Summary: In search of

My wife is a soon to be Palmer Chiropractic Grad.  I was looking for
any mailing lists for Chiropractors or some pointers to newsgroups
that cover Chiropractic issues.

Barring that, maybe I should start a mailing list myself.
Any other D.C.'s out there?
-- 
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 Homephone: (408)984-6036 If its urgent: Digital Pager: (415)599-8663 
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Analysis of Homeopathy Literature
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:42:08 GMT

In article <BSIMON.93Jan21074532@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie "Don't confuse me with facts" Simon) writes:
>There are two points in your post that I'd like to address. First,
>I've never denied the value of scientifically valid evidence. What
>I've said is that there are some controlled studies of homeopathy and
>that the majority of these studies support its effectiveness.

Except that you admitted you haven't read them, and only you seem to be
able to walk away from that review article with a sense that it supports
homeopathy, when in fact, it doesn't.  How many times have we gone thru
this cycle, and thanks to USENET, how many times will you go thru it again?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer