From: edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Piracy via BBSs (was: Re: Apple Awards)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:55:31 GMT
Reply-To: edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)
Organization: Guerrilla Networking Project
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In article <1992Apr15.094334.13912@unlv.edu> (comp.sys.apple2), sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:
> In article <01050133.0tv0lq@caligula.cts.com> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
> >If you run a non-pirate Apple II BBS, regardless of the protocols it supports,
> >then you are a novelty in the Apple II world, although all of the pirate ones
> >may be closing these days, since the Apple II scene has dried up pretty
> >completely...
> 
> Really?  Try telling that to me, or to the local Apple users' group
> (which runs the other non-pirate II board in town).

What I meant to say was that there may very well be fewer and fewer pirate
II boards out there because there are fewer and fewer products to steal.

> 
> >In any event, put yourself into MD shoes -- would you like to indirectly aid
> >in the stealing of software by improving your product? I think MD has made
> >a good job of making ProLine for serious BBSers.
> 
> With ProLine 2.0, he's done a good job of making sure his product
> never sells.  $259 for a single-line BBS?  Gimme a break!  Even if you
> allow for adding networking, other packages can be had for much less,
> and they work just as well.

I could have picked up ProLine for $95 from that place in CA that has the
dog in the ads -- I doubt that 2.0 will be much different.

> 
> >Also, anyone who is "pro-Mac" is obviously realisitic.
> 
> Anyone who is pro-Mac obviously doesn't give a damn what direction the
> Apple II goes, especially since most of the Apple II users I know do
> _not_ buy Macs as second machines.  They (myself included) buy IBM
> clones, Amigas, or whatever, but "once bitten, twice shy."  Maybe
> Morgan Davis can sell his overpriced software to the Mac-heads; we all
> know they're used to paying ridiculously-inflated prices for software
> (didja know Mickeysoft jacked up the price on MS-Word to $500 when
> v5.0 came out?).

Obviously?! I'm pro-Mac, and I have quite a bit of interest in the II. Here
again we meet the Macintosh Conspiracy Theory, which states that the IIgs
is in fact technologically superior to any Macintosh ever made, and that Apple
has denied it, forcing upon the masses inferior computers. Also, as per the
theory, Apple computer has strung II owners along by *not advertising* the
II, which in effect makes people think that a new II cpu is imminent. Perhaps
the II people you know are like the Commodore 64 people I know, who originally
bought the computer that was advertised as being cheaper than a II, and now
go buying cheap MS-DOS clones because they're cheaper than a Macintosh.

Doesn't anyone get it? Apple has been trying to kill the II since the early
'80s! Can you take a hint? I don't want to call the people who now realize
that Apple is dumping them slow or stupid, but it seems unavoidable. At least
don't bitch about it.

I don't know what you mean by being bitten by Apple on the II -- what should
Apple have done to kiss your ass? Can you see the IIgs going head-to-head
with a 486? You seem to think that Apple owes you something -- it doesn't.

BTW, looking in my MacConnection ad, I can get MS Word for $295 + $3 for next
day delivery. I can use any number of free text editors to do what I did with
AppleWorks on my IIc. Why are you beating up on Microsoft? They wrote the
DOS (*not* OS) for your computer -- I thought that the rest of the world wasn't
as evil as Apple Inc.? You could buy MacWrite II for Claris (another evil
company) for $89 -- is that overpriced or what?

Ed
> 
>   _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
> 

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