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Subject: Re: Earl Weaver V. 2
From: <UD156844@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:42:22 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network


Well I think Earl 2 is not such a bad game.  When playing games you have
several options:
                1) Watch single pitch - this shows you only pitch that counts
                                        on my 386SX 20MHz, takes about
                                        10 to 20 mintues per game

                2) Fast stats         - computer plays the game, takes between
                                        30 to 45 SECONDS

                3) Full Pitch         - You see everything, up to 45 minutes
                                        per game

We usually use Fast Stats to play computer team vs. computer team, and single
pitch to play computer team vs. human or human vs. human.

The game is full of bugs, but is still very playable, trading players is
also very simple.

The Comm. Disk is also a must if you plan on playing league play, you can
set up seasons without it but it's much more time comsuming.

You can now find the game for under $20 in most stores,  if it's priced
over $20 you are paying too much! :)


roberto alvarez
ud156844@vm1.nodak.edu
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From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:29:04 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

November 17
George Tom Seaver, 1944
Mike "Big Bear" Garcia, 1923
Gary Bell, 1936
Orlando Pena, 1933
Brad Havens, 1959
Jim Brewer, 1937
Mitch Williams, 1964
Paul Sorrento, 1965

November 18
Roy Sievers, 1926
Colby Jack Coombs, 1882
Glenn Rocky Nelson, 1924
Steve Henderson, 1952
Gary Sheffield, 1968
Tom Gordon, 1967
Gene Mauch, 1925
Jay Hook, 1936
Cal Koonce, 1940
Dante Bichette, 1963
Jamie Moyer, 1962
Mike Felder, 1961

November 19
Roy Campanella, 1921 (HOF)
Everett "Deacon" Scott, 1892
Bob Boone, 1947
Bobby Tolan, 1945
Billy Sunday, 1862
Dickie Noles, 1956
Joe Morgan, 1930 (the manager, not the second baseman!)
"Gabber" Joe Glenn, 1908


--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * "The boys with cars want motorcycles
 Steve Smith                      *  and the boys with motorcycles want
 University of Washington HR-20   *  cars!"
 Seattle, WA 98195                *    --D. Wiggin-"Philosophy of the World"	
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From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: AL OSUNA
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:54:18 GMT

Can anybody out there in netland  e-mail me Al Osuna's 1992 statistics
Thanks

Rick Dyson
alird@msu.oscs.montana.edu
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From: mcgead@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Darren McGeary)
Subject: Post-draft trades???
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:43:57 GMT

    Does anyone have any info on any post-draft trades that may have been 
announced.  I'd like to know if any of my rotisserie players were traded
before I make up my protected list.  Specifically, I'd like to know if
Danny Jackson was dealt to the Phillies as was rumored might happen.

-- 
Darren McGeary -  mcgead@rpi.edu          Freedom of religion means freedom 
PRO-CHOICE - THE AMERICAN WAY             FROM religion!!
Banish religion from government!          -These are my opinions. They just
Atheists Unite!!                           happen to also be the right ones.
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Swarthmore College Computing Center)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Steve Howe
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:21:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing CenterCenter

In article <92324.152402RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
wrote:
> 
> well, gee, maybe *parents* should try to be role models for their
> children instead of pushing the job off on some other guy, whose
> only qualification is that he can throw a little ball at 95 mph.
> 
> as for pete rose, this is one of the stupidest arguments i've ever
> seen (yet a lot of people make it).  they say, "pete rose wasn't
> given a second chance, why should steve howe be given an eighth?"
> duh.  the question should be, "steve howe's been given eight chances,
> why shouldn't pete rose be given a second?"
> 
> bob vesterman.


I'm with ya, Bob. I changed my mind on Pete Rose. Even if the guy bet on
his own team and deliberately threw the game, it's abundantly clear he has
(had?) a medically-certifiable gambling problem, very similar in addictive
behaviour to Mr. Howe's problem. You can make a good argument that betting
on baseball is worse for the game than snorting coke in your off hours, but
the baseball owners have really one standard: if it could possibly hurt
their bank accounts, ban it. That's the real metric for kicking Peter R.
out right away and being so inconsistent (and then so fascistic) on the
drug-takers.

Steve's not in jail, and he should be allowed to pursue the profession of
his choice like any other citizen. If you want to lock people up for being
bad role models, start with the owners, for heaven's sake.

- matt

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Commentary--Round 1, Expansion Draft
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.233019.5549@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.180451.3611@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>>The Angels had so little talent to protect, that it is basically inexcusable
>>for them to lose three players.  Protecting DiSarcina over Harvey?  Orton I
>                                                                     ^^^^^^^
>>kind of understood, but I would have protected Greg Myers over him myself, and
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>they could have suffered a significant blow if they lost Don Barbara.
>
>Could you do me the favor of explaining it, then?  I could understand
>protecting DiSarcina, myself.  But someone who makes Tony Pena look like
>a slugger?

Well, I didn't mean that I agreed with them protecting Orton.  However, if
they lose both Orton and Myers, then they wound up with Ron Tingly as the #1
catcher.  Not a pretty sight.  Orton is horrible, but at least he can play
defense.

DiSarcina, on the other hand, is expendable, IMO.  Both Damion Easley and
Luis Sojo can play shortstop.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re:  Red Sox and the Draft
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:50:11 GMT

In article <9211182152.AA06091@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:

>> Platoon him against lefties, and you can improve those numbers.

>>Wedge should be quite happy in Colorado.  And whoever predicted that
>>Girardi will be the starting catcher for the Rockies is simply not
>>paying attention.

>I think you underestimate the moronity (?is this a word?) of the Rockies...

That's Zimmerity.

>Anyway, in all seriouness, they want to play Girardi every day to "Help their 
>young pitchers..."

>I would look for Wedge to back up, or possibly start in a year or so...

You'd think scoring more than 2 runs a game (or is that being generous,
with *that* lineup?  Charlie Hayes, Jerald Clark, Freddy Benavides???
And the immortal Andres Galarraga.) would help their young pitchers more.

Of course, I don't really think there's much help for Scott Aldred,
Kevin Ritz, Willie Blair, and Butch Henry.  Oh, did I leave out Calvin
Jones and Denis Boucher?  Maybe Andy Ashby?

Wait a minute.  Scott Aldred AND Kevin Ritz?  What, do the Tigers know
hypnosis or something?

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
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From: MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Baseball-the business side?
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:14:34 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Does anyone know if major league baseball teams reveal their budgets to the
public or is this classified information? I am curious to find out where the
money goes, how much the players and employees (everyone from the GM to the
marketing people) get, what the main sources of income are etc.. 

MARCU$

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From: baptist@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Robert P. Baptist Jr.)
Subject: A request..
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:05:10 GMT


  Hello.  I'm doing a regression project in Economics class and need information on the
salaries of major league players for this past season.  I think that the USA today Newspaper
printed them earlier in the year, but the major libraries in my area throw the paper away
after a certain time or don't get it at all.  Does anyone have this information in ascii?
It's a shot in the dark, but worth a try.  

  Thanks very much,          - Robert
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL MVP voting oddities
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:47:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: birkhoff.GRABINER.92Nov21174702
Organization: /etc/organization
In-reply-to: steph@perseus.cs.uiuc.edu's message of 20 Nov 92 22:57:46 GMT

In article <steph.722300266@perseus.cs.uiuc.edu>, Dale Stephenson writes:

> In <1992Nov19.180112.26096@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

> Mike Royko wrote today:

> "...Barry Bonds, the Pittsburgh outfielder, who is considered a super-duper
> star after having a season that would have made Ted Williams or Joe DiMaggio
> blush with shame and take a cut in pay."  Which makes me wonder -- how
> many seasons did Ted and Joe have worse than this year by Barry?

Bonds had a 1.080 OPS, plus his base stealing and excellent defense in
left.  

Williams was over 1.080 every year from 1941 to 1957 except 1951 (five
seasons missed because he was in the marines), plus his last year, 1960.
But when you deflate the numbers for Fenway (Three Rivers is a slight
hitters' park), and consider that Bonds was a better fielder and
baserunner, Williams' 1942-1954 seasons are almost all comparable to
Bonds' 1992.  Year by year, with 43-45 and 52-53 skipped: 1.147, 1.164,
1.133, 1.112, 1.141, 1.099 (half season), 1.019, 1.151, 1.204
(half-year), 1.084.  Williams walked more and hit for a slightly higher
average.

Joe DiMaggio had only three years (1937, 1939, 1941) over 1.080, and
only four and a half over 1.000.  He played center field in a pitchers'
park, but that won't lift any season except possibly 1940 (1.051) above
Bonds, and you do have to consider Bonds' baserunning.  Bonds walked
last year far more than DiMaggio ever did.

These seasons should be a reasonable comparison; the seasons are
DiMaggio's third-best and one of Williams's typical years.

BATTERS        BA   SLG   OBP   G  AB   R   H  TB 2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS
BONDS,B      .311  .624  .456 140 473 109 147 295 36  5 34 103 127  69 39  8
DiMAGGIO,41  .357  .643  .440 139 541 122 193 348 43 11 30 125  76  13  4  2   
WILLIAMS,48  .369  .615  .497 137 509 124 188 313 44  3 25 127 126  41  4  0

DiMaggio and Williams scored and drove in more runs, but that says more
about their teammates; the '41 Yankees scored 830 runs, and the '48 Red
Sox scored 907.

I would say that '41 was one of DiMaggio's three seasons that was better
than Bonds had last year; all three are close, and only one other is
comparable.  Williams had two seasons ('41 and '57) clearly better than
Bonds last year, and '48 was one of seven that were close, four of which
I would say are better.  So DiMaggio would have been proud of such a
season; Williams would have been satisfied.

But this still shows how good Ted Williams was.  Bonds may have had the
best season in the majors in eleven years (Mike Schmidt '81), but this
was just a typical year for Williams.

--
David Grabiner, grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu
"We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary."
"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
From: barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dodgers
Summary: who closes?
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:27:01 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1ee835INN8ap@agate.berkeley.edu> ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>
>   I believe that the Dodgers didn't really lose too much in the draft:
>
>   4)Rudy Seanez-A hard thrower (LHP) but was coming off surgery
So, who is the Dodgers' closer in 1993?
---------------
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From: ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anuj Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Don Elliot's 1992 stats
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:24:37 GMT
	<1992Nov20.192613.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In response to all those who have been wondering just who Donnie Elliot
is - he was a top rated prospect for the Phils up till the point he was
traded.  And the reason I brong this up is because it is part of my
explanation of the Phils winning the NL east next year.  He was traded
for Ben Rivera, who developed into one of the top up and coming pitchers
in the NL the last two months of the season.  He went seven and two with
an ERA well under three and he throws heat !!!!  And you know things are
good when a guy like this is your fifth starter.  As for Elliot, he is a
great prospect - I saw him pitch in the minors several times and he has
a good fastball in the 90's and has a decent curve and change.  He needs
to work a little more on control. 

By the way - all those who doubt the Phils, I have yet to see any real
reasons why.  All I've seen is a bunch og garbage!!!!  And what kind of
name is a-mit anyway.  What are you a synonym for a baseball glove ?
unm.edu>
	
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:30:10 -0500 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mitchell for Charlton and other trades.

I like the deal for the Reds a lot.  I feel they picked the right relief
pitcher in Dibble and finally have a home run hitter in the middle of
their lineup.  Larkin, Roberts, Sanders, and Kelly are all good
offensive players, but kind of similar in that they aren't true power
threats.  OPS is OPS, but I think Mitchell bating cleanup will make the
Reds a better team.  The other guys are all 1,2,3 hitters.  Roberts is
going to play second base.  The outfield will be Mitchell, Sanders, and
Kelly.  I like it.  Morris, Roberts, Larkin and either Sabo or Willie
Greene in the infield.  The rotation is Rijo, Browining and I am not
familiar with the rest of the Reds team to fill in the rest.  Dibble is
the closer.  If they sign Swindell and get another pitcher, they could
be right there.  I am rooting for them anyway.  Mitchell and Dibble are
2 of the more entertaining players to watch.  If Mitchell flops, they
lost Charlton, but I give them credit for taking a calculated risk. 
There really was not enough room in the bullpen for Charlton and Dibble.
 

The Reds could really use a stud left handed power hitter.
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: The Cat goes to Denver?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:31:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

Just heard on the overnight news channel that Andres Galarraga had signed
a deal with Colorado.  I now apologize for any smirking I might have cast in
Russ Smith and Harold Brooks' general direction.

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
TONIGHT-In "Ryecatcher", Holden Caulfield foils a plot to turn his old prep
school into a right-wing military acadamy run by Neo-Nazis. 8PM(7PM C/M) Ch. 7
                                                        -The Book of Sequels...
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From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: Favorite Toy predictions
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:13:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <14NOV199215531259@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli) writes:
>>In <1992Nov14.041535.42077@watson.ibm.com> mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
>>[predictions for chance for 3000 hits and 600 doubles]
>	How could you leave George Brett off either of these lists?  He's 
>already reached the 3000 hit plateau, along with Yount, and he leads all active
>players with 634 doubles (I believe he is in the top 10 in major league
>history).  He hasn't retired yet, you know - he's still on the Royals protected
>list (I have no idea why they couldn't get him to waive his rights, but that's
>another story...).

Actually, I thought he was going to retire. David Nieporent pointed out to
me that I used the wrong ages for players. I used their age as of July 1,
1993, when I should have used *this* year's age. I'm going to repost the
list as soon as I can get it updated.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

The spirit of the age favors the moralist and the busybody, and the instinct
to censor and suppress shows itself not only in the protests for and agianst
abortion or multiculturalism but also in the prohibitions against tobacco and
pet birds.
	- Lewis Lapham, Harper's, October 1991
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Subject: Re:  Comments on Round 1 of Exp. draft
From: jimbo@csusb
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:12:46 PST
Organization: California State University, San Bernardino
Nntp-Posting-User: jimbo

>jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu(Jason Lee) writes on 11-17:

>Why on earth didn't the Angels protect Bryan Harvey?

According to recent reports in the LA Times, the Angels
left Harvery unprotected because a)  his salary
                                 b)  his arm injury suffered
                                     last year
                                 c)  maybe he wouldn't be taken

The good news for Angel fans is that more money should be
available to keep Jim Abbott around.

Tony Ardelean
Cal State University, San Bernardino

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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: St.Louis protected (was NL protected lists)
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:22:25 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <Bxv4Lp.Lw6@encore.com>, jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa) writes:
|> So, St.Louis fans, is there any reason why Tracy Woodson was left unprotected
|> too.  He seems to have a mighty bat, although I did not see him play much
|> at third base.  He sure seemed to do well when he was called up and Zeile
|> was sent down.

Direct from the synapses, without references...

Woodson is 32, and is mediocre.  No reason to protect him, if you
lose him, just trade for Tim Teufel or something.

He's ok as a utility man, but certainly not an everyday player.

Dave
-- 
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From: nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere)
Subject: Re: Dave Hollins is a god
Reply-To: nss3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:44:25 GMT

In article <of3dDLe00WB5EXHXBd@andrew.cmu.edu> Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 21-Nov-92 Dave Hollins is a
>god by JOHN S. RANDOLPH@ns1.cc. 
>> Nuff said?????????????
>>  
>> John "You can call me Mr. Baseball" Randolph
>
>Is this Phillie fans come out of the closet time?  Dave Hollins is a
>pretty good player.  He seems to have a bad platoon differential against
>righties, but you can't really argue with his numbers.

Of course, you can put this another way and say that he has an
*awesome* platoon diff. vs. lefties.  I don't have the '93 Handbook
with me right now, but he hit something like 14 HRs in around 200 PAs.

While I don't think Hollins is godlike, it's nice to see that
*someone* is noticing him, even if only out of blind loyalty.

Noel Steere                  |...of the Dave Rossing fan club
GM/Manager, New York Knights |Knights' Final Run Total: 806 Runs
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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: Re: Expansion draft update -- LIVE
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:08:44 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Jason -- Thanks for the updates!  Keep em coming!

Jeff
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From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:56:14 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

November 16
Frank Bolling, 1931
Paul Foytack, 1930
Dwight "Doc" Gooden, 1964
Harry Chiti, 1932
Rollie "Bunions" Zeider, 1883
"Hurricane" Herb Washington, 1950

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * "The boys with cars want motorcycles
 Steve Smith                      *  and the boys with motorcycles want
 University of Washington HR-20   *  cars!"
 Seattle, WA 98195                *    --D. Wiggin-"Philosophy of the World"