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From: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher Edward Hilker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto?
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:54:47 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein) writes:

>                                        Meat Beat Manifesto and Ultramarine
>put on pretty energetic (though obviously canned) performances on the main
>stage; Orbital, on the other hand, cranked out nearly an hour of
>pre-recorded, uninspired rave music from a corner at the back of the hall.

This all depends on your definitions of a "canned" or "prerecorded"
preformance. True, all the acts used sequencers (Orbital most of
all), but I'd say that unless you abandon the paradigm of musicians
playing all the notes you hear as the only "real" "live" musical 
performance, you'll quickly find your mindset harder and harder 
to reconcile with performances of the present and the future. 
I'll try to explain myself using Orbital's performance (which you 
especially seemed to dislike).

True, Orbital's show had virtually no "playing" per se, but that wasn't
what the show was about. I viewed the Hartnoll brothers as if they were
conducting a perfect band, overseeing the structure and overall sound
of the music rather than playing themselves. I was right next to their
setup for their whole show, and I can verify that with the exception
of "The Moebius," which was played on a CD from the master sound board,
everything you heard was the product of their vision and interpretation
of the song and its structure at that moment. I think that what they
did last night, again excepting "The Moebius" (which definitely dis-
appointed me, no question), was much more exciting and interesting
than a month's worth of rock shows that stick as closely to the form and
structure of the original recording as possible.

Just my two bits' worth.

C.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: in stereo....
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:45:24 GMT

In article <17154@umd5.umd.edu> cmoore@lab5.smcm.edu (Christopher Moore) writes:
>>   	Chrisx (pronounced Kriss Kross), I'm glad to know that you
>> love us so much and want your voice to be heard so badly that you
>> posted in stereo. Perhaps you and your friends should go somewhere
>> else until you can post like literate, sane human beings who don't
>> have cattle prods jammed up their asses.
>>
>that's so brilliant!  actually i posted twice because this stupid computer  
>told me that i wasn't posting at all.  maybe if this damn college got its  
>computers working i wouldn't have to hear you whine.  perhaps you should  
>also go somewhere else until you can post like "literate, sane human  
>beings who don't have cattle prods jammed up their asses", you fucking  
>hypocrite.  if you don't want to read  hate-mail, then don't send  
>hate-mail.  perhaps you should get some common sense.  

Perhaps you should take some valium, then calm down and go talk to your
sysadmin yourself, instead of blathering about this here.

DACC



Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Ministry discog......HELP
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:44:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.005112.27209@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> tpb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TONY PATRICK BLAKE) writes:
>
>    I have the following Ministry albums, and would like to know what I am
>Missing.

Cold life 12"
Nature of Love 12"		 <-- the best ministry ever produced
All Day 12"
Over the Shoulder 12"
Every Day is Halloween remixes
12" remix compilation CD

Theives 12"	(cover of smothered hope on b-side)
Stigmata 12"
I think there's a So What 12" as well

quality kinda goes down as the list goes on...

-Howard
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mag@wam.umd.edu (Spoony G)
Subject: Re: KMFDM
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:03:02 GMT

In article <Bxxzqv.1uv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jeffrey Alan Koppi) writes:
>
>
>What does KMFDM stand for...if it's an acronym.
>
>Jeff Koppi
>koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu
>

I believe it's "Kill Mother Fucking Depeche Mode" if I'm not mistaken....
                        
......if not, it should be.....

         

     - Spoony G - 


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: genom@next01cville.wam.umd.edu (William Lee)
Subject: Re: THAT NIN FELLA IS ALIVE/I HAVE PROOF
Keywords: TRENT RENZOR IS ALIVE/ I HAVE PROOF
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:50:10 GMT

Hey guys, I've been noticing a lot of rumors circulating about my hero  
(and personal SAINT), Trent Renzor having died of--let's see if I can  
remember--heroin overdose, AIDS, gun shot wound, feedback overload, and  
probably a ton of others. 
	Well folks, I read an interview with Trent in Details magazine not  
so long ago--I think it's the one with that feeb Morrissey on the cover.  
Anyway, it says he's currently alive and in the studio mixing his new  
album, Spiraling Downward. Plus there was a photo of him. So listen guys,  
he is most definitely not dead, though he does have a pretty cool haircut  
which I might copy, 'cause I like NIN and that means I'm some trendy  
teenie bopper who loves anything scheduled to play on Lollapolloza. 
	In short--I want to be just like Trent.
	Any questions?
	--orpheus
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Meat Beat in concert
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:56:53 GMT

In <Bxnvtu.3L@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>flynn@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (FLYNN  JEFFREY THOMAS) writes:
>>...by the way, has Orbital put out anything since the lime-green album
>>with Belfast, Satan, etc.?
>Orbital: Radiccio
>Internal: LIECD1 869869.2
>1   5   11:10 Halcyon
>2   5   06:25 The Naked and The Dead
>3   4   07:13 Sunday

The US release of the Halcyon single is available on CD5 now, I paid
$7 for:

FFRR: 162 350 009-2
1	11:05 Halcyon
2	 6:23 The Naked and the Dead
3	11:51 The Naked and the Dub
4	 7:10 Sunday
5	 3:15 Chime (Radio Edit)


Comments I've heard rate the Naked and the Dub much higher than
The Naked and the Dead, so I'd say this version is preferable to
the (apparently?) import that Pete listed.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                        Hail Eris!  All Hail Discordia!
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
From: robertk@rkrajewski.lotus.com (Robert Krajewski)
Subject: Re: Negativland - U2 story from a different perspective
Organization: Lotus Development Corporation
	<Uf3hCuu00iV003ovkJ@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:26:01

Personally, I think Negativland's biggest mistake was to use the Kasem
At40 outtakes, as funny as they were.

Why ? Negativland defends its appropriations as source material to
consruct its commentary on our media-saturated environment; to me,
this is an appeal based on extending fair-use notions of the existing
copyright law. And I do agree with them. And it might even be that
Island and Unichappel agree with them too, after all this time.

The problem with the Kasem material is that it's *not* part of the
media environment, unless you were an AT40 production staffer. It was
never released to the public. It never went over the airwaves. I
realize that listening to Casey Kasem rant about U2 and "Snuggles" was
damn funny and quite revealing, the source was something that obtained
by means that were less than above-board -- basically, the tape or its
contents had to have been stolen. It was not placed "out there" with
the consent of its producers.
From: bkeeley@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Brian Keeley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: The election
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:36:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Edited for brevity's sake:

In article <BxMDnv.73G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew Sharp) writes:
>Brian Keeley writes
>} In article <BxJ136.Cs2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu  
>(Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
>} >If I wanted to go to another country to visit and make money, I 
>} >would fully expect to have to go through a bit of paperwork to
>} >legalize such a venture.
>} >
>} Matt made this bold comment once before (to me in personal
>} correspondence, methinks), and I didn't get an answer to my
>} objection.  Now I want to see him answer it in public.  Performers
>} in the past, and in increasing numbers during the last few years
>
>} little sympathy for the lazy bastards.  But Matt needs to show how
>} this is the case in ALL (or even most) of the acts mentioned so far.
>
>And it is also true that they must register with the musician's
>union in the U.S.   Like it or not, that's the way it is.  The union
>in this country has the power to recognize someone, or not recognize
>them.  They _will_ recognize you if you register with them (ie;
>fill out the form, pay the fee ... er... dues) and you will
>have no problem entering the country.
>
>I don't think (and feel free to prove me wrong) that Immigration
>and Naturalization makes aesthetic judgements pertaining to the
>ideology of a band wanting to play in the U.S.
>

OK, the discussion is getting a little clearer here.  First of all,
I don't think the issue has to do with ideology, though there is
always a danger that a rule on the book which was established
without ideological intent will be misused by those with an
ideological agendas.  (We've had a good bit of discussion about
this.)  All this fact of the world means is that we have to be
extra-careful about the rules we allow on our books, to make sure
they do what we want without easily allowing abuse.  This IS the
issue: is the INS method of determining artistic worth (defering to
unions, and other professional music entities) valid, or does it
unfairly exclude groups that many American citizens would deem of
sufficient merit?  Matt, I assume, would claim that the present
system is indeed fair... all the acts have to do is join the union.
I have my worries, mainly based on the fact that we seemed to have a
perfectly good system for determining artistic merit prior to the
passage of various bits of legislation during the last five years,
particularly since I distrust the motives of those forces behind the
passage of that new legislation (big, professional music unions,
conservative "close-the-borders" legislators, etc.)  And all the
estimates that the American debut of Pavarati would have been
delayed two years, if the present rules were in force in the past
only make me suspicion that something that wasn't broken was "fixed"
for political reasons.  I don't know, maybe this is just my
knee-jerk anarcho-libertarian psyche talking here.

Reality
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: iwood@gauss.math.indiana.edu
Subject: hp zinker
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:49:40 GMT

I saw an album in a local record shop that was by a guy named 
HP Zinker. What is this guy like? Is he even worthy of discussion in rmi?
Is he even an industrial musician.

 On a side-note: St. Anthony's home directory died on his nyx account, so 
his legitimate posting will be delayed indefinitely... (dommage).

 But he has asked me to express his ecstatic joy in his purchase of
a vinyl of his favortie Aussie industrial/noise band, Gum!!! "20 Years
in Blue Movies and yet to Fake an Orgasm" is the title. There's a 
cover of TG's "Blood On the Floor" that's better than the original.


Ij

(OK, so she let me use her accont to post... It's me, not her posting for 
me by proxy... I wish I had my real account. (If you could even call it
that then...))
From: ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Pak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: KMFDM ! !
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:15:01 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


 
 KMFDM = Kein Mitleid fur die Mehrheit 

"No pity for the population"
"No mercy for the masses"

Kill Mother Fucking Depeche Mode?  I like Depeche Mode... leave them alone...
I'd buttfuck Martin Gore... he's so gorgeous...

EDDIE, the bitch...from Bitchburg...
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: rons@quads.uchicago.edu (Josh Ronsen)
Subject: Illusion OF Safety
Reply-To: rons@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:01:30 GMT

	I just recieved the catalog from Complacency Records, which
distributes Illusion Of Safety and other bands (the catalog is to be
had at Complacency PO Box 1452 Palatine, IL 60078). I really enjoyed
IOS's More Violence And Geography, but was somewhat disappointed by
Inside Agitator. Does anyone have any reconmendations on what to get
next from IOS? They have about 13 other releases... 

	Regards,

	Josh Ronsen
	rons@midway.uchicago.edu
From: mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: KMFDM
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:48:27 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <1992Nov23.150302.27545@wam.umd.edu> mag@wam.umd.edu (Spoony G) writes:
>In article <Bxxzqv.1uv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jeffrey Alan Koppi) writes:
>>What does KMFDM stand for...if it's an acronym.
>     - Spoony G - 
It is a German phrase (i forget the actual words), it's English
translation is:  No pity for the majority.
From: stevie@soda.berkeley.edu (Steven Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry discog......HELP
Date: 19 Nov 1992 07:18:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

 tpb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TONY PATRICK BLAKE) writes:
>
>    I have the following Ministry albums, and would like to know what I am
>Missing.
>
>    With Sympathy
>    Twitch
>    Land....
>    ....Live
>    Mind....
>    Psalm 69
>

You're missing a collection of early singles which is out on CD; don't
know the name.  If you're a completist, there's an import called Work
for Love which has much the same material as Sympathy.  There's also
various 12"s which I don't know much about, altho maybe I can get my
sorority girl sister to seel you her copy of "Everyday is Halloween",
which I have childhood memoried of her playing 50 times a day when it
came out...the nightmares still come...

Steven.

Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:02:27 -0500 
From: Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PIGFACE..nobonesaboutit

   Does anyone know the listing of PIGFACE shows? Are they going to play
in BITCHBURG (Pitts-) or NEW YORK?  Is Chris Connelly going to be with
them?  Dave Yow is gone, right?

I love yogurt, EDDIE

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From: an470@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Skinny Puppy mailing list.
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:15:44 GMT

For those who asked, sorry for the delay. The SP list is
Smothered-Hope@cschip@ecst.csuchico.edu.  Not sure if it is worth
bothering though, they seem to have some serious trouble getting
postings distributed. Let me know if you have any luck please.

dp

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: malexan@a.cs.okstate.edu (ALEXANDER MICHAEL)
Subject: Samples in Ministry's Faith Collapsing
Followup-To: Re: Lyris to So What
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:02:39 GMT

Some of Faith Collapsing is taken from the movie 1984, based on Orwell's book
of the same title.  For instance:

"You are the dead.  Remain exactly where you are. Make no moves until you are
ordered."  

That quote is directly from the book.  As reguards the movie, it follows the 
book fairly closely, but I would reccommend reading the book first.
				-msa
-- 
Program Naked!

Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the Devil
From: biosmd@luxor.latrobe.edu.au (Sean Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Tetsuo: The Iron Man
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:12:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: lugb.1992Nov16.131232.13495
Organization: La Trobe University
Originator: biosmd@luxor.latrobe.edu.au

I'm pretty sure I heard something about this movie on this
newsgroup a while back. Can any-one remind me? Is it really
"industrial-cyberpunk" as advertised?
Anything like "Gunhed"?

Thanks,
Sean
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: berntr@ifi.uio.no (Bernt Olav Rostad)
Subject: Re: cassandra complex (Was: re: ...whinings...)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:25:58 GMT
Originator: berntr@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no


In article <168A589A8.MSZABO@kentvm.kent.edu>, MSZABO@kentvm.kent.edu writes:
> OK, Rune.   You want something _I_ think is better than NIN?
> Have you (or anyone else) ever heard of a Belgian band called
> Cassandra Complex?
> They have been around for a long time now, and must have about 10 records.
> Many of the latest releases have been distributed by Play it Again Sam (USA)
> but since they went down, I don't know if any other label has picked them up.
>  
> The singer, Rodney Orpheus, has a voice you can't soon forget.  Check it out.
> <<POINT>>


The latest Cassandra Complex-stuff isn't too great,
but check out pre-"Cyberpunx" material and I'm sure you'll
get a pleasant surprise. They were the first techno-band, if you
can call them that, that I heard using guitars...

 - Something came over me


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From: ryant@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ryan C Tomasetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Big Catholic Guilt Concert
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:48:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


It was some concert.  But, for those of you who did not get to see it and will 
be in the Providence area, they will be playing Thursday at the Red Brick
Tavern.  Don't miss it twice!

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: robertk@rkrajewski.lotus.com (Robert Krajewski)
Subject: Re: Sega Garden
Organization: Lotus Development Corporation
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:52:59

In article <1992Nov18.210852.19927@wam.umd.edu> mag@wam.umd.edu (Spoony G) writes:

   ... I'm surprised any ad exec. would even be aware
   of Naked City!!!

Hey, these people are *payed* to be hip. Well, obviously they aren't
all hip, but being aware of the cutting edge puts one in a good place
to nick ideas.


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: rec.music.noise??????
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: fuck that shit
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:44:35 GMT

In article <scupin.722045590@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> scupin@rintintin.Col
rado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND) writes:
>What's this?  Are a few unmentionable(only because I didn't see their na
es)
>people considering splitting off a group for others who consider musik b

>say, Einstuerzende Nuebauten, beautiful? Me-no-thinks this is a very 
>reasonable idea.
>Perhaps if we coalition(or some other governmental word, like lobby) for
a
>couple of new groups, we can get "rec.music.minds.closed" or 
>"rec.music.standard" as some dandy topics for those unmentionable sorts 
o 
>gather.  
>Opinions????
>
>coprophiliac
>scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
>shadowshadowshadowWhy?
> 


 I propose rec.music.silence. Either we can post endlessly about Crumb's
4'33" or just not post there at all. RMI would be fine if the trying to
decide what exactly should be here would cease. If anyone doesn't like any
of the threads going on here in rmi, I recommend learning how to create
KILL files. They're beautiful. Either that or check out some of the
threads in alt.industrial. I looked at it for the first time a week ago
and laughed for quite a few seconds... Someone going on about us
forgetting the teachings of Jesus Christ! Hey, I didn't forget, I just
lost interest... But never mind that... Never mind me either. Why would I
post a decent article this late (early?)? Summend...

St. Anthony

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From: mcarswel@lab8.smcm.edu (Matthew Carswell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Al, Commercial manipulation, and attitude
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:14:03 GMT

In article <Bxs6tw.3Es@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard  
Martin) writes:
 
 Is it such a shock that Al did 'With Sympathy'  He even toured with
 Culture Club to promote it. Ever since the beginning he has admitted to
 trying to manipulate the record industry and the general public for money
 to do 'his own thang'.  
 When techno was in vogue, he was techno.  Make some cash off the masses
 that would follow him.  You see metallica get some hits and you can  
expect
 Al to get a little more harsh so he can keep his friends dishin' out  
dough
 for his albums.  He no different than, say, Madonna (boy, will I get
 flamed for that one). 
 I know I will regret saying it, but he has the same attitude Ross Perot
 does. He just wants people to love him.  Actually quite funny to see the
 number of people atthe highly commercial LollapaLOSER with their highly
 commercial T-shirts (how much did some people pay?!?!). I listen to AL as
 much as the next guy (beginning with 'With Sympathy' but I think people
 got to realize he's just out to make a buck like 99.99999% (I just made  
up
 that number) of the rest of the world. Just because a guy has an attitude
 doesn't mean you can't like the music, any music.
 I think it is time for some of us to get off our high horse. 
 Just a thought......
 R. Martin
 Noise.
  
rmartin@ccu.UManitoba.CA
  
 ************************************************************************* 
**>>thanks for making some sense in the fucked up mosh of Al/anti-Al  
flaming that takes up so much unneccessary space in the industrial  
newsgroup.  i don't know if you're right or not, but the odds are with  
you.  maybe some of the morons that post stuff here will read this and  
shut their mouths if they can't say something intelligent.