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From: ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:07:51 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <1992Aug26.210041.23067@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> margulis@inf.ethz.ch (Eugene Margulis) writes:

....Mr Margulis appears to be from Switzerland.

>Unfortunately many (probably not most) are. The basic problem, as far
>as I believe, is with the totally inadequate system of education in 
>the US. Thus you get all these undereducated americans that seem to 
>be specifically bred to "do" Europe in 5 days or less.

Yea, right asshole.  That's why the entire world flocks to schools in the
US.  Sure, make your ridiculous conclusions, you'll probably be applying
here for grad school. And if we do have to hurry through Europe, it is
because unlike the European, we *work*, none of this 6 week of vacation
a year shit.  But I guess banking drug-money isn't that time consuming.

>
>I was in Munich last week-end and went to Dachau - the site of the nazi
>concentration camp. There were lots of people from all over the world.
>The only ones being loud and having their pictures taken in front of
>the gate with "Arbeit macht frei" were the americans.

Yea, those same asshole americans that saved you and everyone else's
asses from the Nazi.  I seem to remember Switzerland being neutral.
Yea, that would have lasted long.  You would have been a state of
Bayern. 

Living in Munich, I have been to switzerland a few times.  The people are
honest, hard-working, dull and have no spirit what-so-ever.  It really
has to be the most utterly boring place in the *entire* world.  

What's the matter, you can't understand Americans, haven't had an original
thought in years?  Gee, why don't you just say the same ole shit that
everyone else has for years and years.  Gee, I'd rather be a loud amused
American that a wooden puppet.

Ian Malone

That's Mr. Malone to you.

>
>-eM 

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From: smezias@option.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:19:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

There has been a long thread on the topic in the header.

I personally am quite surprised to find such a thread in rec.travel.
I am stunned that anyone who travels extensively and has gained much
experience with other cultures can cling to such stereotypes.  There
certainly are loud obnoxious tourists from every nation on Earth.  I
have encountered many loud obnoxious tourists in many places; I
conclude that these people are loud and obnoxious.  To condemn all
members of their nationality based on the behavior of some few that I
have observed would seem unfair and unwarranted.  

Get a grip.  Your blanket claims are simply untrue.

SJM
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kw@c3.PLA.CA.US (Kang Wang)
Subject: <<<Air Tickets for sale Oakland=>Boston=>Oakland>>>
Organization: C-Cube Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:04:22 GMT

Posted for a friend. Please do not reply to this account.

Three Northwest Airlines round trip tickets for sale:
$220.00 for each ticket
Oakland ===> Boston ===> Oakland

Departure: Oakland (Sept.  5, 7:00am) ===> Boston  (Sept.  5,  5:11pm)
Returning: Boston  (Sept. 12, 6:15am) ===> Oakland (Sept. 12, 11:20am)

One male ticket and two female tickets. You could buy either one, two, 
or three. Please call Patty at (415) 574-4000 ext. 4894 during work hours.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: csafa@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: info on penang
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.075950.25211@state.systems.sa.gov.au>, gcoppak@state.systems.sa.gov.au writes:
> I am planning a trip to penang in November if anybody in net land
> has any information on this country it would be a great help
> i am intrested in any places of intrest and places that are a must
> to do in penang
> 
> 
> thanks for your help
> paul
-- 
        I was in Penang December last year, and found there were a lot to do.
        Apart from water sports and the beaches, there's the Penang Hill 
        which you can either climb on foot using the 'beaten track' or you
        can use the train service provided. I believe the views are quite
        spectacular, we tried to go on it on our last day but the the trains
        we're not working that day!! The Snake Temple, towards the east coast
        is interesting. The snakes are doped with incense so they can't hurt 
        you. You can get excellent photos of snakes draped over your hands!!
        Also the butterfly farm, if you like butterflies, is good to visit.
        And if you like birds, there's the Penang Bird Park, which is on 
        mainland Malaysia not too far from the Penang Bridge that leads into
        the mainland. They have a good collection of native hornbills and other
        birds, I found it thoroughly enjoyable! But back on the island there
        are various temples of all shapes and sizes which are worth a visit.   


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From: shaks@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan Schachter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: REQUEST: The Black Forest (Schwarzwald)
Summary: hiking, fishing, camping
Keywords: hiking, fishing, camping
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:24:24 GMT
Organization: Center for Astrophysics, Cambridge, Mass.


  Hi there netpeople.  can anyone send me some info on recreational
opportuntiies this time of year in Germany's Black Forest?  I have
3 or four days after a conference in Strasbourg, France, and I thought
to go camping, hiking, and fishing there.  so:

   where would i camp there?

   can i get around by public transportation (i don't really want
to rent a car unless i have to)?

   where would i go hiking and fishing there?

REPLIES VIA EMAIL APPRECIATED.  I prefer English, but I can struggle
with Francais or Deutsch.

jon schachter
(shaks@cfa.harvard.edu)
From: rmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rick Marshall)
Subject: Sonoma Mission Inn
Summary: looking for a report
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:34:55 GMT


Has anyone been to The Sonoma Mission Inn recently who could give a
report on condition, price, comparable alternatives in the Sonoma
area, etc.?

Thanks in advance!

====
Rick

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: branch@cs.cornell.edu (Mary Ann Branch)
Subject: Memphis, TN: where to eat, stay? suggestions please!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:27:56 GMT


I'll be going to Memphis, Tenn.  next week.  Anyone
care to suggest restaurants not to miss? Night life?
Is there a particularly good paper to look in to see
"what's going on in town" ? 

Also, I think we'll want to stay reasonably near the
airport for at least one night: any reasonable priced
hotel/motels to suggest (I'm on a graduate stipend...);
any to particularly avoid?

Please respond by email.  I'll keep the info together, so
if anyone else wants to see the responses, send email and
I'll be happy to send you a copy!

Thanks.
Mary Ann
branch@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mit@b30news.ingr.com (Timothy A. Turner)
Subject: Re: Seeking info re shuttle launch
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:53:52 GMT

I didn't notice that Cliff had already sent off for a car pass until I send
that last post. I would just add that I used a 210mm with 2X and the shot
framed nicely in the vertical position. You need to wait until the shuttle
has cleared the tower. There will be a nice reflection in the water in the
foreground. You also have enough room on the sides for the billowing smoke.
The shuttle is small, the smoke and reflection is the major element - along
with the expanse of water and sky. Birds may appear somewhere in foreground.
A 300mm is too far away. A 300mm with 2X would make a tighter shot of the one
I just described. But it would take a 500mm with 1.4X or 2X to get some good
shuttle dominate pictures.

I'm going on almost 7 years memory here. If someone with more recent
experience can be more accurate, please do.

Tim
From: wiehn@gdc.com (John Wiehn)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: London - Breweries??????
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:43:10 GMT

John WIehn
Email:  WIEHN@EVAX.GDC.COM
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Yosemite in September (info needed)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:10:39 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

|> I am going to Bay area in mid-Sept and would like to visit Yosemite this
|> time. I wonder if I can still get a motel room in the Park or nearby easily?
|> I hope the peak season in over. I am only planning for a 2-day visit. 
|> Anything I should not miss? I do not plan to camp there. Thank in advance.

The peak season lasts until Thanksgiving (late November).
Make sure you have reservations if you come before then.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: amandla@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jackie Saul)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Bicycles and London (UK) tube system
Keywords: bicycles, London UK
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:51:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Aug26.190235.23542@julian.uwo.ca> rjames@sunsage.biotstats.uwo.ca (Rob 
James) writes:


>	I will be arriving at Heathrow airport in the next few weeks
>with my bicycle.  Can I take it on the tube?  Are there time-restrictions
>for having the bike on the tube?

>Rob James
Hi, not a cyclist myself but according to a friends bicycle book the following 
restrictions apply;-
Cycles are only permitted on the tube between stations that are above ground 
or have stair access. In practice this means all Circle, District, East London 
and Metropolitan Lines are okay plus suburban parts of the rest of the lines. 
If you are coming into Central London from Heathrow you will be taking the 
Picadilly Line, so you could get quite a long way in as the line is above 
ground (can't remember how far in though - sorry). A childs fare is payable 
for the byke. There are rush hour restrictions - within 30 miles of London you 
can't travel between 7.45am - 9.45am and 4.30pm - 6.30pm,unless you are 
travelling against peak flow.
An interesting booklet that you can pick up for free from British rail 
stations is called 'The Rail Travellers Guide to Biking' telling you about 
travelling with your bike on Britsih Rail trains (not the tube) 
--
Jackie Saul

UUCP:      amandla@qmw-dcs.uucp  | Dept. of Computer Science
Internet:  amandla@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | Queen Mary & Westfield College
JANET:     amandla@uk.ac.qmw.dcs | University of London
Tel: +44(0)71 975 5250           | Mile End Road
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dennis@sequent.com (Dennis Storz)
Subject: Jamaica-Jamaica info wanted
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:55:05 GMT

Hi there. If anybody has been to the Jamaica-Jamaica
resort I'd like to hear your comments...I'm thinking
of going in November and would be going alone.
thanks

------------------
Dennis Storz
dennis@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tjensen@unlinfo.unl.edu (theresa jensen)
Subject: Costa Rica
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:56:13 GMT

I have a friend who is interested in Costa Rica.  I would like to hear
from anyone in the Nebraska, Iowa area who have been there or know 
anything about the area.
Theresa Jensen 
From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:15:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Rochester New York Information Wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.travel

In rec.travel, swd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (steven.w.dawson) writes:

    Greetings,

    I find myself going to spend September and October of this year in
    Rochester New York. Not knowing anything about this area except
    that Kodak is located in Rochester, I felt that asking you on the
    net would increase my knowledge. So.............

    What is there to see and do in the Rochester New York area and
    surrounding areas (by surrounding I mean not more than a 4 to 5
    hour drive).

    Please reply to me via email and I will provide a summary for 
    the net.

    Thanks to all.

    Steve Dawson
    swd@ihlpy.att.com

Steve,

I spent the first 17 years of my life in the Rochester area and would be happy 
to make a few suggestions.

Outdoor/Country Activities

1.  Finger Lakes (wineries, Taughanock Falls State Park, Watkins Glen, Ithaca 
and Cornell University,  Great place for fall foliage, Buttermilk Falls state
park)

2.  Letchworth State Park  (Billed as the Grand Canyon of the East, having 
seen and hiked in both I think that calling it the Grand Canyon of the East
is a bit pretentious)  Great place for fall foliage.

3.  Niagara Falls

4.  Hamlin Beach State Park

5.  Montezuma Wildlife Refuge

Outdoor/Wildlife Further Afield

1.  Thousand Islands

2.  Adirondacks


City/Cultural

1.  Eastman House and Museum

2.  Performances by the Eastman School of music

3.  There is a museum in downtown that specializes in technology (this was from
one of my last visits and I can't recall the name

4.  Visit Toronto, Canada


Please pardon the spelling as I put this together very quickly, also feel free
to contact me if you have any questions.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 09:40:01 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject:    German race riots

Visitors to Germany should be aware that demonstrations against 'auslaenders'
(foreigners) are taking place in several cities. The problem is prevelent in
the former East Germany, with homes for asylum seekers being set ablaze,
street demos, etc., but fringe activities such as shooting at such homes isalso
taking place in the former West Germany. The cause of the unrest is Germany's
very liberal asylum law, defined in the Constitution, coupled with a high
level of unemploylment in the indigenous  population and the rise of so-called
neo nazi movements (which actually have little to do with national socialism).
Most 'hate' seems to be directed against people of eastern or far eastern
origin, and although the majority of Germans do not support such actions,
the minority who do are making themselves known.
RaF
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: prking@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Peter King)
Subject: Eurail Pass and Supplements.
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:12:09 GMT

It has been some time since I made use of a Eurail Pass. I would like to
know to what extent the pass absolves one from having to pay supplements
on trains. In particular, I note that there is now a bewildering
array of various types of 'fast' trains in Germany -- ICE, IC, EC, FD
IR and D (and perhaps others) most of which seem to need a supplement
of some sort. I would like to know which, if any, requires a Eurail
pass holder to pay the supplement. Has anybody Eurailed in Germany
lately?
I know that in France, travel on the TGV does require the pass holder
to pay the supplement, but not, I think, on other trains.
I'd be glad of any relevant information.

Peter King
<prking@cs.UManitoba.ca>
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From: fishkin@aludra.usc.edu (Stephanie Fishkin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cancelled Reservation Disputes (was HoJo)
Date: 30 Aug 1992 16:37:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Given that I am not the only on this net, or in the world, to have had
this problem w/ disputing hotel reservations, how does a naive traveller
become aware that such policies exist if the hotel staff/reservation systems
do not inform her/him?  Can you imagine how complicated life would be if
every single time you had any sort of transaction with another person you
had to document it (from dialing 411 to whatever)?  Sheesh!

Stephanie in SoCal
fishkin@aludra.usc.edu


Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: rkimm@ameris.ameritech.com (Robert L. Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: Ameritech, Hoffman Estates, IL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:02:26 GMT

d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:

>  One thing that amazed me in the US was the lack of *common* hightech(1) in
>some areas and the general overstaffing. Roadworks are a typical example of
>the latter: In Sweden you usually find 4 to 8 people at a big roadwork site
>where they put new covering on the road or something but over in the US it
>wasn't uncommon to see 10-20 persons, one holding a sign saying 'SLOW', one
>driving a car with a 'follow me' sign, four or five just standing around and
>so on and so on.

Clearly, you do not understand modern day economic theory - the US road repair
project created more jobs than the Swedish project.  As everyone knows, the
key to prosperity is to do everything as inefficiently as possible :-)

BK
rkimm@ameris.center.il.ameritech.com
From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Danhua Newton Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Car Rental in Europe and Info on Italy and French Riveria
Keywords: car rental, italy, french riveria
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:29:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I am looking for suggestions of car rental in Europe. I would prefer to
confirm a reservation in the US before the trip.
I will be travelling to Rome, Florence, Venice, and Nice, and tips of those
areas are appreciated. I think this issue has been dicussed before, I still
want to see suggestions for parking outside Venice and getting there. Thanks.
Shu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: q0239@whereis.Princeton.EDU (Peter A. Olenick)
Subject: London Zoo
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:18:43 GMT

We will be taking our first visit to London in September.   One of the
places we were looking forward to visiting was the London Zoo.  I hear
the zoo is about to close.  Can some one confirm this.
                                                          Thanks, Pete
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ihateuw@u.washington.edu (David Wong)
Subject: Advice for travel to Hong Kong, Bangkok, or Pakistan
Keywords: Advice for travel to Hong Kong, Bangkok, or Pakistan
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:42:22 GMT

	Hello all,
	I'm going to be leaving the last week of September to study for a year  
in Lahore, Pakistan.  En route I've arranged about five days in Hong Kong and a  
couple in Bangkok.  I'm looking for general advice as to cheap, decent places  
to stay in each, and sights worth seeing.  Anyone have the inside story on  
hostels or backpacker's lodges there?  Info including an idea of cost and  
location would help greatly.  Also, I'd like to spend a day or two in mainland  
China, and was wondering if anyone knows any specifics as to buying ferry  
tickets from Hong Kong, cost thereof and how best to obtain a visa?
	Finally, any travel advice of places to go and things to see throughout  
the sub-continent would be much appreciated. I'll have four weeks off around  
Christmas and am hoping to travel throughout India.  Many thanks in advance.
					
					           
						-Dave
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From: rivera_edgardo@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Cheap Tickets (Atlanta - San Juan)
Organization: CSG Group
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:54:40 GMT

For sale:  Two one way American Airlines tickets departing from Atlanta, GA on
the 14th of october at 2:00pm and arriving to San Juan, PR at 6:27pm.  The
price is $100.00 each or best offer.  If you are interested reply by e-mail,
the news, or call 708-818-5743 after 5:00pm. Thanks. 

ELR                                       rivera_edgardo@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: disney@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.p.schwendel)
Subject: St. Michaels, Maryland
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:22:31 GMT
Keywords: Early October, other info

The September issue of _Gourmet_ magazine has a nice article
on St. Michael's, MD and surrounding area. Since I am only about
2.5-3 hours away (central NJ), I was considering a long weekend down there.
Any advice or info from someone whose been or live[s/d] there would
be greatly appreciated.

The article (which has some really nice photos) lists the following
accommodations and restaurants. Opinions are welcome:

Chesapeake House
Chesapeake Landing Restaurant
Fox Run Farm
The Inn at Perry Cabin
Kemp House Inn
St. Michael's Harbour Inn & Marina
208 Talbot
Victoriana Inn
Wades Point Inn On the Bay

My wife and I like antiquing and fine dining, and some not-to-rowdy
nightlife (well, that's really me, she's a party girl!). I am also
partial to wineries, but my wife dislikes the musty cellars.

Bob
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From: jimj@cleanplate.EBay.Sun.COM (James D. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:43:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: male.la4j20INNl47
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cleanplate.ebay.sun.com

>Canadians travelling outside North America are usually advised to display
>a Canadian flag prominently on their clothing or backpack so that they
>won't be mistaken for "loud irritating obtrusive American tourists".

I've run into some hideously obnoxious Canadian tourists -- not in America, but
in Jamaica, where they proved more than capable of offending the locals.  These
were crass, spoiled, born-to-money types.

Which is not to say that all or most Canadians are like this.  I don't like
making generalizations.  They make some people look bad (unfairly) and allow the
people who make the generalizations to feel superior -- also unfairly, and
often without justification.

I have run across irritating tourists of every nationality (even Japanese).  I
have also run across thoughtful and considerate tourists of every nationality.
Do we really need to keep score?  	 

I'd also say that the locals make up their own minds about
travelers on a case-by-case basis.  If some tubby redfaced Yank with a million cameras,
bermuda shorts, and an American flag t-shirt showed up in some foreign land
and acted like a gentleman, I'm sure he'd be treated as such by anyone who was
well-mannered themselves.