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From: Joe Cain <cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology,misc.education,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism.mode
Subject: Re: Planet Earth
Keywords: religion science myth
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 18:02:56 GMT
Followup-To: sci.geo.geology
Distribution: world
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.

In article <51721@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.062126.3820@Princeton.EDU>,
>frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti) writes:

regarding Cesare Emiliani's "Planet Earth" Cambridge U. Press, 1992.

>> In article <1992Dec29.050047.14921@netcom.com> Andrew L. Alden,
>> alden@netcom.com writes:
>> >His book was written because, he points out, science now has a complete
>> >explanation of the universe in all four dimensions that is authoritative
>> >and should supersede every religious myth.
>> >[...]
>
	I did not interpret the text as being so conclusive as having
all the anwers.

>I have not yet seen this book, but it appears from these comments that the
>author has levelled a blast against religion in general.  I do not think
>that science should be in the business of doing this.  Science should only
>respond when religion makes claims about science.  Good examples would be
>the age of the earth and firewalking.  But attacking religion in general
>in the name of science is wrong, and is one of the main reasons the general
>public views science with such suspicion and paranoia.

	You are guilty of making assumptions with few facts,
especially not having read even its first chapter. He merely points out
that religion has been a sometimes creative substitute for
understanding our physical universe before that understanding was
possible.

	Having a significant number of students who enter my planetary
geology class from a creationist environment I understand that one
does science no good and religion no harm by disputing religious
myths. One tragedy of modern times is the increasing dissociation of
people between fantasy and the physical world. For Emiliani to give a
very short summary of the way different religions have taken an interest
in the workings of nature is an appropriate preface to his tome. More
writers of historical geology should follow his lead, though perhaps
they would not be so enamored of Greek mythology.


Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu   
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain

Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: Satyendra Narayan Yadav <snarayan@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: no subject (file transmission)
Originator: snarayan@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:36:35 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Hi Netters!

I am looking for a software package which can plot conventional resistivity
pseudosection as well as resistivity model together along with contour option.
Any suggestion about the availability of this software for academic use will
be highly appreciated.

Please reply directly to me at snarayan@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca on your convenience

Thanking you,

Satyendra Narayan
Department of Earth Sciences
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1
From: imager@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: MicroMine?
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:06:10 GMT
Reply-To: imager@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: imager@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

I am trying to find out anything I can on a software package called
MicroMine. Has anyone used this package? Does anyone know the name
of the company that vends it? What are the analysis capabilities like?

Thanks for any help,

Tony Gale.

 (If you feel this is unlikely to be of general interest then please
  post direct to me at imager@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: markc@netcom.com (Mark Conover)
Subject: Plate tectonics of NW Alaska and E Siberia
Summary: Looking for references on the plate tectonic history
Keywords: Plate tectonics  Bering Strait
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:45:14 GMT


I'm interested in the tectonic history of the Bering Strait
 region in NW Alaska.  From the references I've checked, the
 North American plate collided with the Eurasia plate 300
 million years ago. Yet the area has no large upthrust
 mountain ranges and appears to have been tectonically calm
 since then.
  
 Does this appear to be correct? Are there technical
 references on that tectonic boundary?
           
        Thanks in advance!
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Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: bathurst@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Bruce Bathurst)
Subject: Re: Basic Geology Books...
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:38:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.203433.7883@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain) writes:

[SNIP,SNIP]

>	The department here is surveying texts for their introductory
>non-science liberal studies course in geology, and is considering the
>following:

[SNIP]

>I like Hamblin myself as I have used his text with Christiansen in
>Planetary geology and like his diagrams and approach.

It's good you're evaluating all these.  I had trouble with Hamblin's
workbook, which was used along with the text by ..(was it Leet, Judson,
and Kauffman?).  It suffered from inaccuracies and questions I felt were
of little value.

A month ago a student at a local college (that uses a second book in
your list) was working through a sample multiple-choice exam at a
caf'e.  When I looked at the exam, I wasn't able to answer most of the
beginning geology questions.  The text had great pictures, though.

Finally, a State University where I was a sabbatical replaclement was
using a text by a third author on your list.  I can't say the text was
unclear (for I didn't check it), but the students complained of the
factual errors in my lab sections.  I had to report the to lecturer
before each section to be taught basics, such as the fact that "butte"
and "horst" are synonyms.

It's too bad some of the older books, which were very clearly written,
weren't brought up to date.  Leet, Judson, and Kauffman might still be
in print; I liked it very much.

Bruce (Gypsy Scholar)
-- 
Department of Geological and Geophysical Sciences
Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544
bathurst@phoenix.princeton.edu bathurst@pucc.bitnet !princeton!phoenix!bathurst
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: jaume@ldgo.columbia.edu (steven jaume)
Subject: Re: Earthquakes
Summary: Seismometers have only been around for ~100 years
Keywords: Major quakes increasing?
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:42:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.201801.4090@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31) writes:
> My kid has his first school research assignment: earthquakes.  So I went
> with him over xmas break to the public library.  I guess the other 4th
> graders mostly beat us since most of the books were checked out.
> 
> I went by the research section, and looked at an almanac (disasters and
> major quakes)  if the almanac is correct, most (by a humungeous majority)
> major quakes have occured this century.  Is this possible?  Or is this a
> function of better data recording?
> 
> I understand that in terms geologic time scale there would have been times of
> more and less than this century, but what about a 1 - 2000 year span?
> 
> Thanks!

What you are seeing is probably a combination of better of data recording and
communication.  I looked up a table of *Notable Earthquakes* in

_Earthquakes_ by Bruce Bolt.  At first glance, about 50% of these earthquakes
are in the last 100 years.  But the first earthquake which has an instrumental
magnitude was in 1897, which was when the first global seismometer network was
being deployed.  Before this time, if a great earthquake happened in an area
in which communication with the rest of the world was poor, it probably
wouldn't get recorded, even if casualties were large.  After the first seismo-
meter networks were deployed, these earthquakes could be recorded *and* located.
Observers could then go to the epicentral area and determine what damage
occurred.
Interestingly enough, the largest earthquake in terms of loss of life occurred
in 1556 in Shensi, China.  Bolt gives the casualties at 830,000.  I know that
some seismologists consider this figure to be highly overestimated, but a person
of my aquaintance who visited that part of China found that most of the popula-
tion lives along the fault (that's where the rivers and springs are) and they
build masonry (brick) houses because there are few trees in that area.  If this
combination existed back in 1556, the above figure is more believable.
One thing that worries some people is a large increase in population in many
earthquake prone countries in the last century.  Since many of these are third
world countries, the local building styles are often not very earthquake
resistant.  Thus, some people believe that the potential for earthquake disasters
have increased in the past few decades.  I don't know if anyone has done a study
to determine if more people are being killed in earthquakes today then 100 years 
ago, etc.; I suspect it would difficult to do.

I hope this answers your question (without overdoing it, I tend to ramble).

Steve Jaume'
jaume@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
From: jmatrow@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (John Matrow)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Dinosaur Mailing List
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:55:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corporation, Wichita KS

I gave up trying to find a dinosaur newsgroup or mailing list so I'm
starting my own.

Send a request to dinosaur-request@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM and I'll
add you.

Send contributions to dinosaur@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM.

Be warned that replies to mailing list articles to go back to the
originator, not the list.

This is a manually maintained list, i.e., no automatic software
to add/delete/list names on the list.

We already are discussing eoraptor and Sue, the Dakota TRex.

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Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Plate tectonics of NW Alaska and E Siberia
From: harper@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (John Harper)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:15:22 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington
Keywords: Plate tectonics  Bering Strait

>In article <1993Jan7.184514.11717@netcom.com>, markc@netcom.com (Mark Conover) writes:
>> I'm interested in the tectonic history of the Bering Strait
>>  region in NW Alaska.  From the references I've checked, the
>>  North American plate collided with the Eurasia plate 300
>>  million years ago. 

Eurasia-N Amer plate boundary isnt in Bering Strait but exactly where it does
go in Siberia is hard to find out (and possibly not very meaningful, given 
that the pole of relative rotation is also in E Siberia). Start with 
M E Chapman & S C Solomon, "North American - Eurasian plate boundary in 
northeast Asia", J Geophys Res 81 921-930 (1976) and if you want more, or more
recent, info use Science Citation Index. Any part of the boundary S of the 
pole is of course collisional now as the boundary is extensional N of the pole
(in the Arctic Ocean) 
John Harper


Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Subject: Re: Basic Geology Books...
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:34:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.184101.12127@slustl.slu.edu> guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.153508.2742@msdhsv.ingr.com> rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com writes:
>>What are some good basic geology books or texts?  I know little about geology, 
>>but because of my interest in caving, I'm interested in learning more about it.
>>
>This is something of a theological issue but I'll give you my prejudices.
>Basic physical geology, Tarbuck and Lutgens "The Earth"
>A little more advanced, Press and Siever, "Earth"

	The department here is surveying texts for their introductory
non-science liberal studies course in geology, and is considering the
following:

Koch & Ludman, 1991, Physical Geology, MacMillan
softback $36

Hamblin, Earth's Dynamic Systems, 1992, MacMillan
Hard $73.50, soft 37.50

Hamblin, Introduction fo Physical Geology, 1991, MacMillan
soft $24

Levin, Contemporary physical geology, 1990, Saunders
soft $35.30

Skinner and Porter, 1992, The Dynamic Earth, Wiley  
soft $38

Tarbuck and Ludgens, The Earth, 1993, MacMillan
hard $48   

Thompson and Turk, 1991, Modern physical geology, Saunders
soft $40

If you are near a University, you can likely find used texts much
cheaper than the new prices above. 

I like Hamblin myself as I have used his text with Christiansen in
Planetary geology and like his diagrams and approach.

Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu   
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
(904) 644-4014		FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: daniel@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Dan Quoidbach)
Subject: Help with AGU Kosmos system
Followup-To: sci.geo.geology
Organization: Ocean Drilling Program/LDGO
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:35:11 GMT

A colleague of mine mentioned that people without access to the internet
can gain access to it through AGU's Kosmos system. Does anyone have
information on this system or know where I might go to get some? I'm
interested in knowing if it is a dial-up system, how much it costs and how
easy it is for people to use. Also, can it be accessed worldwide? How would
it compare to people using compuserve to exchange email with Internet? Your
help is very much appreciated.


Dan Quoidbach                               daniel@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Ocean Drilling Program
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Palisades, NY 10964
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Building a seismograph
From: vgblackwell@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:30:21 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

I would like to build a seismograph.  I found some old articles in Scientific
American show a gate type using a large magnet and coil pickup.  Is an
instument
of this type worth building?  Anyone have a better suggestion?  I would like 
to someday build an instrument at the original homesite of Richter (you know
who he is) and have school classes do field trips to the station. But that
is just a dream at the present.  His birthsite is about 6 miles from here.
Any one have any suggests, any experience or advice?


Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: "new" faults
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 00:54:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.005609.17421@asi.com> stevep@asi.com
(Steve Pendleton) writes:
>I read a popular article that says the Landers event was on 
>a "completely new" fault. It was ambiguous whether this meant 
>"it was entirely absent before the event" or "it was clearly 
>already there, but was previously unknown."

The Landers event involved movement on segments of
a number of different faults.  At least a few of them
are prominent and well-recognized features.  With names,
even.  This mode of failure, with several faults
moving at once, is what's new.

>The latter must be far more likely, but every fault must have
>a first event. (Or at least every first event must have a fault.)
>Are there any cases -- Landers or otherwise -- of faults that seem 
>to have their entire displacement from an observed event? 

It's a lot easier to demonstrate the presence of
a particular displacement than it is to demonstrate
the absence of other displacements.  It would require
a really extraordinary set of circumstances to make
such a finding possible.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: gkj@jacobs.esd.ornl.gov (Gary K. Jacobs)
Subject: Cl Analysis of Rocks & Soils
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:36:11 GMT

I am interested in "non-destructive" methods for analysis of Cl in  
rocks (silicates and carbonates) and soils. Rumor has it that XRF is  
good down to a few tens of ppm Cl. That level of detection is  
acceptable. I would be interested in information on these methods, or  
others if they are better. We have the capability to perform fusion  
and dissolution of samples with subsequent analysis via ion  
chromatography, but would prefer a method that did not involve total  
destruction of the samples.

Also, I would be interested in the names of commerical labs (or  
universities willing to do some "routine" analyses) that are capable  
of such analyses. 

thanks

---
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615 576 0567 (phone)         P.O. Box 2008
615 576 8543 (fax)           Oak Ridge National Laboratory
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Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: keane@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Matthews Keane)
Subject: Establishment of the Joint Education Intiative Mailing List
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 23:28:38 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park


The Joint Education Initiative now has an active listserv mailing list
dedicated to science and technology issues in the K-12 classroom with
a focus on the earth and environmental sciences.

JEI is a NSF-funded program started at the USGS-Reston as an effort to
bring real science data sets into the K12 classroom as a new way to
teach - and keep children interested in - science.  NASA and NOAA are
also founding contributing agencies, with the program now transferred
to the University of Maryland, under the auspices of the Department of
Geology.

JEI has a direct focus on the use of CD-ROM data sets (The JEdI 3 disk
CD-ROM set was the initial product of the USGS efforts) in classrooms,
but now also with focuses on gaining Internet access and use for
educators to acquire up-to-the-minute earth, space, and atmoshperic
data for use in the classroom.

The list is not limited to the K12 science classroom - as we hope for
a diverse JEI-L user base of interested educators and researchers.
Discussions are open to technical questions concerning the JEdI disks,
other science CD-ROMs, computers, receiving stations, and other
technology in the classroom, as well as basic science questions and
answers to further understanding for educators in the sciences before
they attempt to apply it in the classroom.

If you are interested, please feel free to subscribe to it by sending
a message to listserv@umdd.umd.edu with a body of:
subscribe JEI-L <your name>

If you have any questions feel free to direct them towards our office
at (301) 405-2324, or jei@earthsun.umd.edu.

Cheers
Christopher Keane
JEI
University of Maryland, College Park
keane@earthsun.umd.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com (Chris Hudson)
Subject: Basic Geology Books...
Reply-To: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:35:08 GMT

What are some good basic geology books or texts?  I know little about geology, 
but because of my interest in caving, I'm interested in learning more about it.

Thanks.

Chris Hudson
-- 
Save the Sharks!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Be good to your friends, or they may develop psychokinetic powers 
 and destroy Tokyo
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: "new" faults
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:47:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.005609.17421@asi.com>, stevep@asi.com (Steve Pendleton) writes:
> I read a popular article that says the Landers event was on 
> a "completely new" fault. It was ambiguous whether this meant 
> "it was entirely absent before the event" or "it was clearly 
> already there, but was previously unknown."

Actually it means "previously unrecognized as active".  In particular, it
was unknown the the several strands constituted a single through-going fault.
All the strands had been mapped by geologists.  All were suspected of having
Quaternary motion (ie: motion in the last several thousand years).  Also,
it was recognized by several scientists, myself among them, that there was
through-going background microseismicity in the area - but no association with
known faults was made.  This area could have been identified earlier with
out too much difficulty if anyone had taken the time.  Trouble is, the risk
of a large quake in the area was assumed to be small, and the potential
damage and risk to life was small even if a large quake occurred (as experience
proved - 1 death, damage slight only because there was so little to damage).
Seismologists, justifiably, are more concerned with threats to large populations
and use the limited funding to study these areas.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
From: alanr@python.pnl.gov ( Alan Rohay )
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Earthquakes
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:26:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1993Jan9.002612.5533
Reply-To: alanr@python.pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Labs, Richland, WA

In this discussion of whether lists of damaging earthquakes
are biased by the advent of seismographs circa 1900,
Richard Stead indicated that there is evidence
that earthquake activity is uniform 
when averaged over a few hundred years 
(on the San Andreas fault system),
because the resultant deformation agrees 
with estimates made over a 5 million year period.  

I would like to gain a better understanding of how variable
earthquake activity will be over time scales of 100 years 
to 100,000 years.  There are some statistical aspects of
the situation regarding a poisson occurrence and the length
of the time interval, but are there other empirical data with
which to constrain such estimates?
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: rstenson@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ronald Ernest Stenson)
Subject: Nuclear waste management INFO?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:34:34 GMT

I am currently reviewing both the policy and physical science of nuclear
waste disposal.  This includes both low level and high level waste.  If
anyone has any suggestions on key summaries of historic information please
e-mail them to me or post.  I would be interested in bibliographies from
recent papers or information pointing to an archive site with information.

I will post a summary of any information I receive.

Thank you in advance.

rstenson@spartan.ac.brocku.ca
department of geography
university of waterloo
waterloo ON N2L 3G1
From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Earthquakes
Date: 10 Jan 1993 03:13:22 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
Keywords: Major quakes increasing?

In article <1993Jan4.201801.4090@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>I went by the research section, and looked at an almanac (disasters and
>major quakes)  if the almanac is correct, most (by a humungeous majority)
>major quakes have occured this century.  Is this possible?  Or is this a
>function of better data recording?


DEFINITELY A FUNCTION OF BETTER RECORDING


anne