From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Gay Rights
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:36:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.184552.346@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
     hawk@hawk.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins) writes:

>The Bible is clear about homosexual behavior.  Yea, gays claim that people
>use the Bible just to thump gays/lesbian lifestyles, however, there is no
>misinterpretation that the Bible declares that type of lifestyle WRONG!

   "AS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE
CHRISTIAN RELIGION, as it has in itself no enmity with the laws,
religion, or tranquility of Islam, and as the said states have never
entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mohammadean nation
it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious
opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing
between the two countries."

   - The Treaty of Tripoli
     Approved for Ratification by The Congress of the United States
     October 27, 1796
     Signed into Law by President John Adams
     November 4, 1796
     In Force As Law,
     January 3, 1797

   (Emphasis mine.  :-)


>The way I look at it, if gays want their type of lifestyle,
>they shouldn't be granted any of the benefits enjoyed by the heterosexual
>community (i.e children).

   In case you haven't been paying attention, most homosexuals will
tell you they knew when they were children (around four or five years
old) that they were "different," later discovering they were "gay."
Much of the research being done nowadays indicates that homosexuality
may, for many people, be inborn.

   Gays do not "want" what they are... they simply are that.

>In case you didn't notice, it still takes a man and women to create a
>child - even if done via envitro.  At least this will minimize the
>impact this "gay rights" generation will have on affecting future
>generations.

   *Laugh*  You really think so?  Hate to break it to you, George, but
lesbians and gay men are having children left and right, all around
you.  I know at least two dozen gay families now, and they're growing
at ever increasing numbers.

>Further, I don't believe children raised by gay parents have an equal
>and moral chance to be heterosexual due to the examples set by the
>parents.  Children are very impressionable....

   Of course, this arises from an *a priori* assumption that being
homosexual is wrong.  Much to even my surprise, of all the children of
gay and lesbian families I know (seventeen kids), NOT ONE is gay, and
that's against the odds.  I hope one of your children comes out of the
closet to you, George.  It'll make your life much more interesting.

      Elf !!!
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elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
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