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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <BxEyw0.Hoz@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> cree@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Cree) writes:
 >Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
 >: In article <Paula_Lieberman.0702@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
 >: 
 >: Hmm, I always considered Agnus a male name. And I myself don't object to
 >
 >You considered wrong. Agnus is a female name and Angus is a male name.

Huh? If it were spelt "Agnes" (with an "e", like in the very first days),
yes, that would be female. But every word ending in "-us", is a male one,
as I learnt in my latin classes way back at school.

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1084 & A1200? What will I see?
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov6.092050.15782@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> s2z@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> I was wondering ....
> 
> If I get an A1200 and hook it up to my 1084 (assuming that can be done),
> what will be the results? My guess is that I'll be able display the 
> regular 320 or 640 by 200 screens with the 256 or HAM8 modes. And the
> 320 or 640 by 400 screens will flicker. But what about the "non-flickering"
> modes and all the other ones?

You monitor will be able to display all the old modes with up to 8 bitplanes,
including 1280*480 interlaced.  New modes that use 24 KHz or 31 KHz scan
rates won't display properly (you *may* see double images), but won't
instantly destroy your monitor.  I wouldn't leave it this way and go on
vacation or anything though....

>                                WIll they not show up, will the monitor
> explode, what? Just wondering so I can decide the "keep my 1084 for awhile"
> vs. "shell out for a multisync" argument.

You could proably be more than happy with the new 256 color and HAM-8 modes
without every buying a multi-sync, but the multi-sync would let you use
even more of the new features.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: 0-wait-state DRAM on A3000/16 ?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:01:02 GMT

toredale@idt.unit.no (Bjoern Tore Dale) writes:

>Is it possible to make use of 60ns SCZ RAM in an A3000/16 in such a
>way that the usuage of the RAM becomes 0-wait-state ?
>Furthermore, _if_ (I'm not sure _what_ it does) the 030 is currently
>runnning in 3-cycle mode (or something like that), is it possible
>to make it run in synchronous 2-cycle mode, thus increasing
>performance by 50% instantly ? 

You need the new RAMSEY and SuperDMAC chipset.  They plug straight in.  Oh, and
a little bit twiddler program.  That will let you use 60ns ram in an a3000.

>If this is possible it seems to be a nice way to give at least 
>a 50% speed increase, and even more if burst-mode is used 
>(as I currently only have 256x4 non-burstable DRAM).
>This is particularly interesting since there's no big price difference
>between 80ns ($15.50 each) and 60ns ($18.50 each) 1Mx4 SCZ chips.

Not really.  The whole mb in a 16mhz a3000 runs at 16mhz, so in fact your not
really using the 80ns ram fully.  You will still have the same number of wait-
states as a 25mhz mb.  Using 60ns ram may give a 25%+ increase, I don't really
know the exact figures nor how ramsey works with regards to them.

>By the way, I think the new A1200 should have used a 68EC030 instead of a
>68020, making it possible to have 0-wait-state FAST RAM at 70ns, and
>doing so in 2-cycle mode rather than the 020's 3-cycle mode.

Which would make it cost more, pretty pointless if they intend a pizza-box 030
AGA machine under $2000 (?).

>The little price increase would be worth the more than 50% speed
>increase in raw performance (perhaps almost 2x increase ??).

Little price increase?  The actual part may only be a few bucks more, perhaps
around $10.  In the shops this translates into a pretty big proce difference,
considering how cheap the a1200 probably is to make yet it has a ~$900 price 
tag.

>And CBM: _please_ include at least 1M of fast RAM on the A1200 !!
>(1M chip and 1M fast of RAM is better than 2M of chip only).

They certainly will if you want it, but you will have to hand over money for
it.  Nothing is for free.



--                      
Simon Cope           	 
AFS Designs             
                        
copes@cs.curtin.edu.au
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 and LD vs HD drives
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:10:24 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

Quoth sl1zm@cc.usu.edu:

]> As a sales person that actually has to sell the machines to customers
]> I can tell you that it is hard to tell a customer that it doesn't have
]> a high density drive and then to tell them it's a better machine than a clone.

Gee, I can think of several tacks to take with such a customer:

	"Oh, if high density drives are all you're interested in, let's cut the
	 computer our of the equation altogether!  I can sell you SEVERAL HD
	 drives for that price!"

	"Are you here to buy a computer or a disk drive?"

So on and so forth...

]> I have to start making excuses.  And then when they say "well, can I have
]> you put one in it?" I have to tell them no becouse Commodore won't sell me
]> the drive by itself.

Um, gee, I guess the ones I've seen three of the 5 dealers here in SDiego
selling are frauds, counterfeits, vapordrives?  The part number for getting
these little devils was announced quite some time ago.

Not entirely your fault... C= dealer support bites.  But maybe this too will
improve with time.  Keep at 'em!  And if they don't want a 1200 with a LD
drive in it, sell 'em a 3000!  The drive is all that counts, right?  Right!

]> If marketing has any questions, maybe they should ask their dealers before
]> they decide whats best for them.

Amen.


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From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Parity (Was Re: Moving 500 to 1200, BAD NEWS)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:49:30 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> People who care so much about parity on machines that don't have
> it should write their critical software so it detects changes to
> the data, using commonly available CRC algorithms.

DRAMs are not the thing that will give you trouble -- if it does, your machine 
will have most probably constant crashing problems etc to the point where it 
would be unusuable. In a good design, it is very unlikely that noise, or 
whatever, would flip a bit somewhere.

What *is* the problem with storing sensitive data in RAM buffers, is the lack 
of memory protection on the Amiga OS. Any errant program could ruin your data. 
Such bugs could be much harder to trace than a faulty RAM chip, as it could 
much more likey be triggered by a very special sequence of events, and you 
have quite a lot of tasks running around in your Amiga.

Even with parity error detection, this problem would still be there -- and it 
is a much more important problem to deal with. And even with parity checking, 
not all RAM errors would be traced; thus you would have to use CRCs and be 
much safer (but you can of course never be 100% safe, but close enough). For 
example, an address line or two bits beeing flipped would still leave a valid 
parity bit.

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

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From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger)
Subject: Re: 10 MB fastram onb a2000: technical question
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:02:01 GMT

frits@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Frits Kuijlman) writes:

>Recently I saw in the German Amiga magazin an add from WAW Elektronik
>where they advertised a chipram expander for the a500/a2000 that also
>had an extra 2 MB on board with which you can get a total of 10 MB Fastram.

>I have no plans at all of buying it, but I am interested in how they might
>have done it. If I read the hardware manual(1.3) I have at home correctly
>the memory map of the a500/a2000 allows for 8 MB fastram, 2 MB chipram and
>the rest is reserved for chip registers and so on. Where might they have put
>the extra 2 MB fastram?

They must have put it in the so called Slow-Memory area (C00000 and on),
where earlier A2000 standard memory expansions have been (mmu slot card 
in A2000A, onboard memory in A2000B) and where most A500 memory expansions
reside.

>Just curious,
>    Frits

winnie.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: Re: Portable A600?
Followup: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Enea Data AB
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:51:22 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
: In article <9986@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
: >In article <Bx2Lyv.4Cp@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
: > >In article <1992Nov1.073246.4734@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dmacphee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Don mac phee) writes:
: > >>Here's a scary thought. If The Soviet Union had disintegrated in 1992,
: > >>we'd be re-electing George Bush by landslide.... (Brrrrrr....)
: > >
: > >   Here's an even scarier thought: if the Democrats in Congress had succeeded
: > >in preventing us from going to war against Iraq, Iraq would posess nuclear
: > >weapons right now, would control 1/3 of the world's oil reserves, gas prices
: > >would be at their highest point in history, and we would be electing Bill
: > >Clinton or another Democrat by a landslide, and the Democratic party would be
: > >getting ready to control all of Congress and the Presidency.  BRRRRRR!!!!
: >
: >But wasn't it some *Democratic* president who 1. triggered the Cuba
: >invasion at pig bay (sp?) and 2. stopped those russian missiles from
: >Cuba???
: 
:    Yes, but the same Democratic president started getting us entrenched in
: Vietnam.  George Bush was actually the first Republican president to take 
: the country to war since Abraham Lincoln.  in all wars since, the country
: was taken to war by a Democratic president.
: 
: >Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
: >Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
: 
: ---
: | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
: --------------------------------------------------

Has there been more Portable Democratic Presidents than Republican?
Which was the last President looking *exactly* like an A600?
Can you stop this in c.s.a.hw?

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From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 and CDrom (aka IDE blows) (was Re: IDE : Possible
Date: 13 Nov 1992 13:42:15 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kastanie.uni-paderborn.de

|> Me too.  I suspect there are many people like mysekf who simply can't jump
|> into the 4000 yet because our SCSI investment.  It's really a shame.
|> So, here I sit with my SCSI ladden 2500/30.

What's the problem about that ? A friend of mine uses a Quantum LPS 240 and
a SCSI-CD-ROM-drive is his A4000 (Octagon Controller).

-- 
Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 and CDrom (aka IDE blows) (was Re: IDE : Possible
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:34:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov2.150434.775@cranel.com>
  <1992Nov2.180640.23160@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com>
  <holler.02kg@holli.UUCP>

>In article <1992Nov2.180640.23160@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> msnider@Rapnet.
S
>anders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov2.150434.775@cranel.com> watters@cranel.com (David Watter
s
>) writes:
>> >
>> >FOR COMMODORE-AMIGA MARKETING:  HEY BRAINIACS,  I sware on my A3000, that
>> >if the A4000 had shipped with a SCSI-II controller,  or even a SCSI-I
>> >controller,  I would have one on my desk right now!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >--
>> >David R. Watters (watters@cranel.com)    Cranel Inc. Development & Engineer
i
>>
>> If it was dma, me too.  sigh... :^|
>>
>> M. Snider
>> msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
>
>Me too!
>
>                    Jan Holler - Bern, Switzerland
>           uunet!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmswi!augs1!holli!Jan_Holler

Me too.  I suspect there are many people like mysekf who simply can't jump
into the 4000 yet because our SCSI investment.  It's really a shame.
So, here I sit with my SCSI ladden 2500/30.

-Joel
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From: neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Is it reasonable to use A1200 as graphics....
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond)
Distribution: world
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

Is it reasonable to use the A1200 as an AGA graphics " chipset " for the
A3000 using PARNET, ie running at AGA program on the A3000 and seeing the
graphics on the A1200? My experience with ethernets say that this is not
as fast as the bus access in an A4000. Someone had suggested this combination.

neil

-- 

" Give a skeptic an inch and he'll measure it. "
Neil F. Richmond         INTERNET: celia!neil@usc.edu
Rhythm & Hues Inc.       UUCP: ...{ames,hplabs}!lll-tis!celia!neil)
From: agb16@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Alan Baxter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: UPS Question
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:31:11 GMT
Organization: U. of Cambridge, England

No, I can't pick it up single handed. In fact, I can't even pick it up
with both hands! Two hefty removals guys put it in the hallway, and
I suspect I will end up running an extension cord upstairs until we
have a few visitors!
Looks like I might have got a pretty good buy.
Regards Alan
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Three AGA questions.
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:04:04 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <BxBHuL.HBB@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>In article <1936@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
>>3. Does the lovely 72Hz mode 800x600 flicker, using an A4000
>>   together with a multisync monitor. (I won't tell you what that
>>   mode does to my A3000's flicker fixer.)

>   It depends entirely on the monitor.  The Super72 800x600 mode is interlaced
>(which uses medium phosphors).  On my AOC monitor, the flicker in Super72
>800x600 is almost intolerable.

It depends on the monitor and the lighting in the room.
On my SOny 1302 at home, it is not bad at all, in the stores
around here, under flourescent lighting usig 1960's it is
real bad, pretty much intolerable.

-Roger
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bix: ruzun
NET: uzun@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: frostmd@uhura.aston.ac.uk (MD FROST)
Subject: PP&S 28mhz 040/500
Organization: CompSci Dept., Aston University, U.K.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:41:56 GMT

Does any A500 owner out there use Progressive`s 040/500 board.

I am thinking about buying one (28mhz 4mb version) and would like to know
what owners of this board think about it. There are some questions I would
like answered about it:

1) Kickstarts. 

It comes with 2.04 on board, I have 2.04 and 1.3 switchable, presumably then
I can remove my board replace the 1.3 chip and sell my other chip.
I understand kickstart selection is in software, is it a hold down mouse on
bootup method or what? Is the default ROM selectable or does it default to 2.x?

2) Processors

Again how is the fallback mode handled. 2.x menu style perhaps

3) What do you think.

How does your system perform against your friends.

If you can answer these questions and tell me a bit about the board, what you
think, have you had any probs could you please Email me at the address below.
I may even post a kind of Specs Sheet/Review if I get enough material.

Thanks for your help.
Matt

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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:45:18 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <swssauby.720887269@reading>, swssauby@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (Michael Saunby) writes:
 > Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
 > 
 > >How about Commodore calling some more chips by -male- or sex-neutral names,
 > >or better still, leave out the anthropomorphisms........ 
 > Guess they would have to change the name of the machine too!
 > 
 > -- 
 > 	Michael Saunby

Missed the first article, but unless US naming conventions are VERY weird, Agnus
and Gary are male...  Which makes for 2 (two) male and 2 (two) female (Denise and
Paula - no relation, I presume :).  Or were you maybe talking about AGA?  If so,
I don't know the names of those, so if I'm wrong, feel free to read the next
article.

-Eyvind

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: AGA and a 3000 ? possibility
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:56:32 GMT

boing@mcl.ucsb.edu (Geff Hanoian) writes:


>	 I've been told "NO!" a few times but I was thinking about it again
>	 and I thought of something.  Now, I'm not the Engineering type,
>	 just a software guys.  What if you were to take an 040 and put the
>	 AGA chip set on a card and plug it into the accelerator slot on the
>	 3000???  Is this possible or would a faster video port also be
>	 neccesary that might be able to be rigged through the video slot?

That's not such a bad idea.  In fact, in ACAR, an oz mag they reported that 
there is a rumour that GVP may be releasing an add on for their GForce cards
with AGA chips on them.  Even if its true then a3000 owners are still screwed
(if thats how you feel) cause the a3000 040 GForce card doesn't have that slot
on it (that I know of).

Just get a DMI card or wait till next year...

>	 Am I way off base and a complete idiot or is this way too expensive
>	 or should I enrole in some electrical and computer engineering classes.

An 040 card alone will cost more than a trade up to a4000.  (at present)



--                      
Simon Cope           	 
AFS Designs             
                        
copes@cs.curtin.edu.au  

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com (Adam Benjamin)
Subject: Re: A4000 and CDrom (aka IDE blows) (was Re: IDE : Possible
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:02:03 GMT

In article <69293@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov2.180640.23160@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> msnider@Rapnet.
>S
>>anders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
>>> In article <1992Nov2.150434.775@cranel.com> watters@cranel.com (David Watter
>s
>>) writes:
>>> >
>>> >FOR COMMODORE-AMIGA MARKETING:  HEY BRAINIACS,  I sware on my A3000, that
>>> >if the A4000 had shipped with a SCSI-II controller,  or even a SCSI-I
>>> >controller,  I would have one on my desk right now!!!!!!!!!
>>> >--
>>> >David R. Watters (watters@cranel.com)    Cranel Inc. Development & Engineer
>i
>>> If it was dma, me too.  sigh... :^|
>>> M. Snider
>>Me too!
>>                    Jan Holler - Bern, Switzerland
>Me too.  I suspect there are many people like mysekf who simply can't jump
>-Joel


GET A LIFE!  
You all act like you can't stick your SCSI controllers in the 4000.
If you have a scsi drive, keep it and upgrade to the 4000 and you will
have two drives! I don't know why CBM went with IDE but it does NOT
rule out scsi drives you know!

Besides NONE of you would have a 4000 on your desk right now because
CBM can't keep up with the orders.  The 4000 is backordered because it
is selling so well.  (I know, since I am stuck waiting for a replacement
for my dead one) 

I say, Let the eat cake!

Adam Benjamin
A.Benjamin@mi04.zds.com
From: perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: does this device exist?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:14:02 GMT
	<36799@cbmvax.commodore.com> <69221@cup.portal.com>
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY 12345

In article <69221@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:

   Transcoding baseband video to RGB won't be cheap.  The unit must break the
   video into 3 descrete colors and output them.  The Sunrize color splitter
   does this, but only on one color at a time.  I can do it with my VideoMaster
   Genlock (transcodes Y/C and composite video as RGB, composite or Y/C) but
   that unit runs around $1000. 8-/  


And why should it be expensive?  Doesn't virtually every color TV
in the US have a circuit to break out RGB?

I don't recall the brand, but I have seen RGB splitters in amiga stores
sold to go with Digiview.

--
perley@trub.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: tim@tsp.med.umn.edu (Tim Leonard)
Subject: Re: Does HP Deskwriter = Deskjet?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 05:00:48 GMT

In article <1e16t0INN8j9@hpsdln.sdd.hp.com> denson@sdd.hp.com (Craig Denson) writes:
 ( I guess you could write a driver for it,
>that rasterizes everything. A lot of work, though.) 
>

Hmmmm.  Writing drivers is waaaaaay beyond my capacity :-)
Guess I'll just have to put a crowbar in my wallet and pay
the $340 we get through the university.

Tim