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From: u920381@postoffice.utas.edu (Alexander Lum)
Subject: New Clouds Mini-album and Drummer
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:59:35 GMT

Jodi Phillis, singer and guitarist for the Clouds, was the guest presenter
on Richard Kingsmill's "Room To Move" show on Triple J on 3 September.

She confirmed that Andrew Byrne, former drummer for The Moffs, was the new
drummer for the Clouds, and that former drummer Stuart Eadie was now drumming
for Died Pretty.

She also announced the release of a new Clouds mini-album. It is called
"Octopus" and is due for release in "a few weeks". It features 8 tracks,
including the acoustic track "Apollo".

Alexander Lum
(u920381@postoffice.utas.edu.au)
University Of Tasmania
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:03:34 GMT

In article <9224608.23049@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> scienger@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher_Robert INNES) writes:
>
>
>> I just so love those pseudo-original bands (PWEI etc) that 
>> seems to be JJJ's main fare...  calling that drivel "from the 90's
>> is more dishonest than MMM ....
>
>Another example of the PWEI vs the moral majority......

sunshine, if you knew who I was you'd know I'm no Jerry Falwell

>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>scienger@ecr.mu.oz.au
>Feels like karma...........

xyz to abc, this band needs a lobotomy




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From: quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan)
Subject: WANTED: Song title and Artist of a song.
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:52:06 GMT

I just heard a song on the radio this morning and I was interested in it.
All I can remember is part of the melody so if you can tell me what the
song title or its artist, I will appreciate it very much!

It goes something like this ...

  "... when you leave, could you please take my heart too?..."

It is about a guy who was once in love, but because of something that
transpired the girl is leaving [for good?], and the guy never wants to
be in love again [except with this girl].

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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:46:41 GMT
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	I'd like to withdraw earlier critcism of MMM.

	FORTY SOMETHING ROCK has to played somewhere (apparently)
and if having MMM and FOX and stuff helps keep it of otherwise
enjoyable radio stations then good!

	Having heard the wisdom of the forty something listener
(and no you don't have to physically be over forty to have the 
appropriately defecent hearing of muzac) I am glad they don't
listen to JJJ and PBS and RRR, and even PVC and CCC (and other local
stations) - if they did we wouldn't be able to avoid "the voice". 


Q. Why do MMM listens have phenominally witty MMM rocks type stickers
	on their cars?

A.So they can park in handicap spots without getting a ticket.



	Is that tasteless?
	I am sorry!
					Colin


Newsgroups: aus.music
From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:15:44 GMT

In article <9224814.25301@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford) writes:

	[interesting stuff deleted!]

>
>>I see sequenced music as the automatic transmission of music, but
>>I've got much more respect for the driver who can change gears ...
>
>Do you have any respect for current formula one drivers? Maybe you
>should check out a F1 ferrari or lotus and wonder why the gear lever
>has been replaced by buttons on the steering wheel. Semiauto gearboxes

they are, indeed,  but ever seen semi-automatic on a rally car ?
you never will!  (well, I'll be very suprised if you do), and I have
less respect for the drivers in the semi-autos than the crunch boxes
because they're eaiser to drive ( relativly) than the real gear boxes.
If you want sheer speed in a highly controlled environment, they are
"better",  but they take some of the skill out of it.


>are becoming *very* common... Then again, you probably drive a car
>that you can manually control the ignition advance, don't you? My view

almost,  it's a rally car ...  :)

>is that these things (samplers, sequencers, auto-boxes) take some of
>the drudgery away, and allow you to be more creative, since you don't
>need to spend two years being indoctrinated into an arcane and limited
>regime.

or alternativly, they're a cheap shortcut to making money?


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From: andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:59:51 GMT

In article <9224022.28084@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
> In article <6311@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
> >MMM are a complete and utter JOKE!
> 
> perhaps,  but those of us who like Rock, as opposed to sampled copies
> find it often quite satisfactory.

	I sat through the bit where Carl said rap!=music. I can't sit
through this. Of the 10-20 songs played in a  hour on JJJ less then 
20% of the songs would have samples. Is there something wrong with using
your creative influences to include others work in yours? I get a great
deal of satisfaction when I can listen to a well sampled song which I can
identify.

> >"Rock of the '90s" is their call sign.  And what do they play *immediately*
> >after this?  Creedance Clearwater, Daddy Cool, and 10CC.  MMM YOU ARE A FARCE!
 
> misrepresentative sample, is L7 from the 60's???  

	you mean MMM actually play L7? When? I bet at night when they have
the high school kids listening, and late at night when _their target
audience_ is not listening. MMM target at people in their early 20's and
happen to pick up the young adults on the way.
 
> >Lite 'n' Easy MMM would be more appropriate.
> >
> >No wonder I prefer JJJ.
 
> ahh, JJJ, radio for arts students and the imbecellic..  :)
> 
> I just so love those pseudo-original bands (PWEI etc) that 
> seems to be JJJ's main fare...  calling that drivel "from the 90's
> is more dishonest than MMM ....

	Ahhhhh, lets talk about MMM's day time crap. Hmm, 30% of songs from 
60's, 5% form the 70's 30% from the 80's and 35% from the 90's. After you take
out all the repeatitive crap, (last time I listened to MMM for a reasonable
length of time (>1 day) I must of heard Bryan Adams more then 5 times a day.
(Whats his equivalent these days?????)). How quick is MMM to drop a band
that changed music styles? (I.E. Hunters & Collectors - Head above Water).

	JJJ at least will play the decent end of MMM playlist, while including
a lot wider variety. Great songs ranging from K.D. Langs Barefoot, Warner Bros
"Stuck in Melbourne", Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprasy "Music & Politics".
These songs are playlisted, but I probably only hear them 2 times a day.

	In summing up I would suggest that JJJ play a much wider variety
of music, which remains fresh as it is not repeated 4 times a day. (Then again
L7 must have another song worth playing :). On MMM you have 10 minutes of ads
per hour, on JJJ you have annoying "pseudo-left" politics. I'll go with
the jays anyday. Why don't you open up that closed mind of yours to some 
real music with real variety. Oh yeah, on JJJ you get Maynard.
	
P.S. Anyone heard of a band from the US called Primus? Give us a yell
if you have......

Andrew
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Distribution: aus
Date:  2 Sep 92 22:32:12 GMT

In a move that should be no great surprise to Leroy (hi), I'll chip in
on the side of MMM. Or at least mainstream radio.


In <leroy.715395348@syzygy> leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

>>>MMM are a complete and utter JOKE!

>A sample MMM flame war:

>Person one: MMM play the same stuff over and over and over and over. Their DJs 
>	are, without exception, imbecilic refugees from JJJ or country stations.
>	The humour is infantile. More importantly, they don't play anything new.
>	They still play the same classic rock/music with guitars they played 
>	when I was twelve. I thought it was cool then.

Well. If we assume the person 1 echoes Leroy's thoughts, let's look
at the DJ assertion. Most DJs that move from JJJ (et al) to mainstream
stations are poached because they are popular where they are. They usually
stay popular on mainstream channels. This "just because it's mainstream it
is pap" argument is ridiculous, elitist and just plain wrong.

The "They don't play anything new" argument is perhaps grounded in truth,
but they play what people want to hear. You don't want to hear it? Fine,
listen to JJJ or SER or MBS or whatever. I've listened to JJJ. I didn't
mind some of what they played, but I did not like having to listen through
4 dance/rap/hip-hop songs to listen to one I might like. So I stopped
listening. And their DJs are woeful - short on experience for the most
part, and some have stunningly bad technique. 

>Person two: At least they don't play dance music.

True, detractors of JJJ etc. usually dwell on this point. So what? If you
don't like the music they play, that is all the reason you need not to 
listen to them.

>Person one: And they never play anything "new-sounding." It took roughly four 
>	years for MMM to add anything with a beat. They're so conservative 
>	they waited eight months after release before playing "Wicked Game," 
>	cause Chris's voice is higher than usual! This was, btw, four months
>	after JJJ had flogged it to death.

If more of their target audience liked it, they'd play it. As it is, they
can get quite enough audience share simply by playing other stuff. So why
shouldn't they?

>Riffs! Yeah! Can you dig it?

What is wrong with you? Can't you appreciate that other people prefer
different things to you without sneering at them for it? Hell, I prefer
things to have a melody to a beat, anyday. That's why I'd rather listen
to Glenn Miller than techno. So what's wrong with that? Go on, make fun
of that.


(wiping the spittle of his lips),
regards,
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From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:57:04 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.

In article <3066@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>: >I've always thought it silly that the rise in popularity of cut & paste
>: >music in the 80's was attributed to the advent of cheap digital samplers,
>: >when it has been possible for decades with nothing more sophisticated than
>: >a reel to reel recorder and a razor blade, or (if that seems too manual)
>: >track bouncing on a multi-track recorder.
>: 
>: but it takes time and care, unlike a sequencer!
>:
>
>	This would have to be the stupist thing I've heard anywhere.
>
>	Not sure where this idea of sequencers sequencing themself to a 
>good groove comes from - but it is wrong.

Unfortunatly I may have made my point unclear.  It is far far easier 
to sample, cut and paste sounds today with modern equipment than it
was in the past when it involved splicing magnetic tape (ever done it?
it's bloody hard to get right, and if you fuck up, no easy restart)

I have *never* said that it's easy to get a sequencer to "a good groove",
but it's a damn site easier than getting a drummer, bass player,
one or 2 (or more) guitarists etc to synchronise, there are so many more
variables, called human beings, to control.  Also, human timing is
never perfect, which is why human drummers sound so much warmer than
plastic drums.  It's the little errors that give the music its character
(IMHO, of course)

I see sequenced music as the automatic transmission of music,  but 
I've got much more respect for the driver who can change gears ...


>
>	I think it probably ranks up there with the 
>		"my kid cold painted that"
>	response to a non-photographic peice of art.

yeah, but could he explain it?

ob quote, Rick from the Young Ones:

The only reason that you don't understand our music is because you
don't like it 



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From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:35:37 GMT

In article <6311@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>MMM are a complete and utter JOKE!

perhaps,  but those of us who like Rock, as opposed to sampled copies
find it often quite satisfactory.


>
>"Rock of the '90s" is their call sign.  And what do they play *immediately*
>after this?  Creedance Clearwater, Daddy Cool, and 10CC.  MMM YOU ARE A FARCE!

misrepresentative sample, is L7 from the 60's???  


>
>I really feel like ringing up their advocacy line and giving them both
>barrels.  They should be sued for false representation.

and their response ...go listen to JJJ you moron :)


>
>Lite 'n' Easy MMM would be more appropriate.
>
>No wonder I prefer JJJ.

ahh, JJJ, radio for arts students and the imbecellic..  :)

I just so love those pseudo-original bands (PWEI etc) that 
seems to be JJJ's main fare...  calling that drivel "from the 90's
is more dishonest than MMM ....


what the hell, I like a good flame war ...  :)



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From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:15:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.115937.8085@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Matt Fenton) writes:
>carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
>
>>So jump thee not to conclusions about closed minds ... if I set my
>>drum machine, sampler and synth up properly, I bet I can sound 
>>*just* like every "masterpiece" of originality on JJJ..  
>
>Yeah, and I bet if you stopped crapping out of your mouth, and speaking
>out of your arse you would make a lot more sense.

now now, put your dummy back in.  I'm afraid I can't see any content
in your "flame".  The points I made were twofold:  1:  I listen to
RRR anyway, exept when I'm at work, when popular choice is MMM (I
did listen to JJJ for a few months, exclusivly, and grew to hate it
I guess that's just personal opinion.  If you can't handle it,  stiff
shit,  I don't object to JJJ existing,  it keeps the arts students
occupied, unlike their degrees :)  <- see that, a smiley, it means a
joke ...  get it ???)

point 2:  most (not *all* mrgreen :) ) music I heard on JJJ was 
either sampled or electronically created (read techno (or is that just
a drum machine), rap, "indie" etc)  There is (IMHO) some good stuff
played, but it's as rare as rocking horse shit.  Please note, this
is of course personal opinion.  The reason for stating this was in 
reply to someone calling me closed minded,  and suggesting that I
didn't listen to it.  I did, for a long time, and I hated it.  Is it
closed minded to not like asparagus, after having tried it?


>
>Get a life, loser...

true, I am a loser, we lost our grand final on Saturday ...
now, where can I get a life???  Myers???  maybe I should hire yours ?


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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: AUSSIE TOP FORTY COUNTDOWNS
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:44:01 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

u9161910@cs.uow.edu.au (Gareth William Omeara) writes:

> But the fact that these artists made the charts indicates that people
> do like them and if they were played on the mainstream stations then
> those listeners would probably also buy the album.

I think it's a large group of JJJ/RRR listeners who make alternative
albums and singles get on the charts. A FOX or MMM listener who heard
, say, Ministry, on the radio would not be influenced to go and buy it...
if fact if it happened to often he'd start listening to other commercial
stations (than his favorite one). The station would lose listeners.

> I don't think that they are all non-discerning listeners, it's just
> that they've never heard anything else and so are used to the homo-

Well, non-discerning in that they are willing to listen to the Fox when
they know full well that different/ alt music is played on JJJ and RRR
and PBS.
> genity of the playlists.If the radio stations started playing Died
> Pretty & Ed Kuepper then their listeners would become used to 
> listening to alternative music.

If all stations did this, it would work. However, if FOX switched
overnite to RRR's playlist for example, they would lose almost all
their listeners! They might gain some RRR listeners though...
But most ex-FoX people would listen to TT, MMM or KZ
Paul



> Gareth.
> u9161910@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
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From: quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Song title and Artist of a song.
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:58:21 GMT

mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon) writes:

>marks@iris.mincom.oz.au (Mark Stavar) writes:

>>Stephen Quan (quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au) wrote:
>>: 
>>: It goes something like this ...
>>: 
>>:   "... when you leave, could you please take my heart too?..."
>>: 
>>This sounds like the song by Mr. Big.  

>The name of the song is "Just take my heart when you go".  would this be the 
>lyric you remember?  Mr. Big is a very inoffensive light rock band with a 
>male lead singer.  Main feature is good strong harmony singing in places.  
>This group had a big hit with "Be with you" earlier this year.

>Matt Deshon	  				

Thanks for all the replies I have had, this was the song I was after.

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From: craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell)
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:50:32 GMT

I see no solution to this fascinating discussion other than to get Couchman
to do a program called "MMM vs JJJ".

I'd suggest that he gets 20 hardcore MMM listeners, and 20 hardcore JJJ
listeners and see if they can resolve their differences in one hour. 

While he's at it, he might try to resolve the "Astrology vs Science"
debate, "Unemployment in Australia", "The role of religion in achieving
peace in the twentieth century", and "Why the AFL is better than the NSWRL"

Sheesh.



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From: 10u1864@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Female voices are the best!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:45:21 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug26.145311.2494@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Matt Fenton) writes:
> pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:
> 
>>My favourites are Angie Hart from Frente, Becky Barnett from Strange
>>Alchemy, and the girl from the Sundays. Also lets not forget Cyndi
>>Lauper, and Aretha Franklin, amongst a lot of other great female singers.
> 
> Hey, you forgot the best of all - Sinead O'Connor
> 
> Matt Fenton.

the best of all is not Sinead O'Connor!
who can resist the dreamy vocals of Bilinda Butcher from My Bloody Valentine?


Karim Retter.
From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:29:03 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.

In article <1992Sep3.133547.8043@brt.deakin.edu.au> dougcc@brt.deakin.edu.au (Douglas Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.002607.29842@mel.dit.csiro.au>, brian@mel.dit.csiro.au
>(Brian May) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Sep2.235729.29331@mel.dit.csiro.au>,
>> brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
>> |> 'cut + paste' music started with sampling technology (right?)
>> 
>> Wrong Brian!  Actually, WS Burroughs started experimenting with cut up 
>> tapes in the 50's, it just took until the 80's to reach 'popular' music.
>
>Does Burroughs' audio cut-ups qualify as music (rather than text)?  Anyway,
>cut and paste music started a earlier than this.  "Musique concrete" was
>being created shortly after the invention of the tape recorder.

indeed, anyone who's heard Sargent Pepper has heard lots of it.
Do the kiddies remember that album?  :)

>
>I've always thought it silly that the rise in popularity of cut & paste
>music in the 80's was attributed to the advent of cheap digital samplers,
>when it has been possible for decades with nothing more sophisticated than
>a reel to reel recorder and a razor blade, or (if that seems too manual)
>track bouncing on a multi-track recorder.

but it takes time and care, unlike a sequencer!



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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Pearls and Swine
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:39:37 GMT

mattw@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Matthew Watson) writes:
>Anybody out there heard of Pearls and Swine?
Yes. I supported them once. Seemed like nice guys (until I saw the
bass player on stage ... Does he think it looks good?). Pity I hated
the music.

>This is a band who deserve a lot more attention than they get from
>the media.
They've had a couple of spots in the Sydney Morning Herald, in the
general news section that is. One of these was yesterday (Monday,
31st August).

Maybe people don't like them because they've heard that they're a
constructed "industry" band (their manager has a lot of money
apparently).

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