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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: Relieving Commander (was Troi is capable of...)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:19:10 GMT

>In article <cboerm48.724977793@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>>But why's she on the Bridge then? I'm sure schoolteachers and chaplains
>>aren't allowed in the Command Center. And it's her rank a little high for
>>non-military officer? (I'm just guessing with the last one so, I might
>>be wrong)

In article <1h7380INNa6v@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) responds:

>As for her rank, it seems a bit *low*, considering she can unilaterally
>relieve the Captain of command without consulting first with any other
>officer if she determines he is mentally unfit for duty.

Actually, only the chief medical officer (CMO) can do that, according to
the TNG episode "The Battle" (at least, only the CMO, of all the
people on the ship, can give the commanding officer an order).
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: Our Heroes in Yesterday's Enterprise (was Jellico got it right...!)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:14:32 GMT

>In article <1992Dec21.204711.7230@linus.mitre.org> m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:
>>Jellico is the first StarFleet officer to really peg Riker
>>for the insubordinate, hip-shooting yahoo he really is.

In article <1992Dec22.143744.6548@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes:
>    I'd have to give my qualified agreement.
>                                          Keep in mind that Riker, al-
>    though he seems to demonstrate some tactical flair, doesn't seem to
>    have what it takes to see the bigger picture.  ( Remember when Riker
>    objected to Picard's sending the Enterprise-C back through time.  His
>    reasoning was that the crew of the E-C would, "die a meaningless 
>    death", certainly a case of being blind to the bigger picture. )

>                                                   Picard's response to
>    Riker's idiotic objection was, "I think that I'm aware of your opinion,
>    Commander.  This is briefing.  I'm not seeking your consent!"

However, we must remember that the characters we saw in Yesterday's
Enterprise were *not* the same people we see regularly.  They were
*born* the same people, yes, but they also had twenty-odd years of
different history to mold them into the characters we see now (so, for
example, Picard in the "War Universe" was a bit more hard-nosed than
Picard in our "Peace Universe").
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: jfrench@cs.utexas.edu (Jason French)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon From ST:VI In CoC (no spoilers)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 10:04:33 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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From zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!mcdchg!laidbak!tellab5!vpnet!uumeme!rwmech Mon Dec 21 09:55:06 CST 1992


>Did anyone else notice that the one of the actors in the COC episode was 
>actualy the klingon (obviously as another person) that played the Chancelor
>of the Klingon empire before he got killed. (The one that McCoy tried to 
>save) It sounded just like him, I dont know the actors name, but can
>anyone confirm this?

You peeked my curiosity so I got out my Star Trek VI tape out and found out
that David Warner played Chanslor Gorkon.  And in "Chain of Command, Part I"
David Warner is in the credits as Gul Madred.  So I would say you are correct.
Just recently a friend of mine noticed Elizabeth Dennehy, Commander Shelby from
"Best of Both Worlds", in the newest Quantum Leap episode "Promised Land".

+-------------------------------Jason French-------------------------------+
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!  Test whether this is presently true of humans."                         !
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!                                        --Captain Jean-Luc Picard         !
!                                          Star Trek:  The Next Generation !
!                                         "Encounter at Farpoint"          !
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From: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Subject: Re: Worf *sigh*
Reply-To: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU
Organization: The University of Maryland, University College
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:51:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.162330.16644@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:

>Bats.  He is afraid of bats.  Fine, I can understand.  But this is Worf.
>*WORF*  He is a Klingon warrior.  If he didn't get shot by Ferrengi, if
>every alien didn't beat him up, if Guinan couldn't shoot better than him, 
>if....then it would have been cute, even funny.  But the bat thing just
>adds insult to injury.

WHy don't they just put him in a dress and be done with it? 

>At least he beat up the Cardassian during the raid, and he told a phaser hit
>square on and was still able to move. - Chuck

Yah, right. And then Crusher had to order him to get his s**t together and
moving....

A quiche-eating KLINGON, me thinks.

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From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:40:11 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec31.123326.13351@bsu-ucs>, 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.030652.6199@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>> In article <1hqeteINN79b@bigboote.WPI.EDU> norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>>>
>>>A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
>>>Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
>>>Can anyone clear this up?
>>>
>> 
>> Yea...  Your friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
>> 
>> Either that or they consider R-rated films to be "porn".
>> 
>> Sigh.  WHEN will this idoitic excuse for a "rumor" EVER end?
> 
> 
> well, what was it called????!!!
> 
> never mind.....i already know.
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part I" SPOILERS!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:52:36 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu:
SPOILERS AHEAD FOR "CHAIN OF COMMAND" PART ONE

>However, there is some past history working against this idea, like
>"Unification" and "Time's Arrow."  I can easily see this story falling
>like a rock into a pit of mediocrity...

But there is one difference.  Most two-parters are written one half at
a time.  This one was written all at once.  Coherence may benefit.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagles to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
From: "paul shannon" <paul.shannon@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: god thing book cancel
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:35:00 EST
Reply-To: "paul shannon" <paul.shannon@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information


BH>If anyone has been waiting with bated breath for the publication
BH>of THE GOD THING (a Star Trek novel started years ago by Gene
BH>Roddenberry and finished by Michael Jan Friedman), note that
BH>Pocket Books has cancelled publication of the hardcover book,
BH>according to a news item published in LOCUS and reprinted in
BH>the ST fanzine STARLINK.  Reported reason: the Roddenberry
BH>estate had objections to publication of the book.

As a representative of Pocket Books I can tell you that this statement
is wrong.  The book has not been cancelled, but rather indefinitely
postponed.  Discussions with the Roddenberry estate are continuing and
we hope to publish the title sometime in 1994 (sooner if circumstances
allow.)

The book was originally solicited to appear in Nov. 92, and was later
pushed into Summer '93 and has recently been removed from our 1993
schedule, replaced by another M.J. Friedman title SHADOWS ON THE SUN
(our big McCoy book).  And this may be what caused the rumor.  Do not
fear, I will keep the net informed on the future of this title.

On a different note, I have been thinking of posting our upcoming books
schedule to the net, but am unsure of the interest.  Would everyone out
there like to see the upcoming schedule?  Do you also want cover copy as
it is written?  Send me email and let me know if this would be a
valuable service.

We are also preparing new guidelines for our novels (including DS9) I
will have a set in ascii format soon.  If people want a copy please
email me at the below address.

Paul Shannon -- paul.shannon@execnet.com
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From: tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Roger M. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:15:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Jan4.051547.4410
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Dec28.112014.1@stsci.edu> sandoval@stsci.edu writes:
>
>   The show is supposed to be set in the 24th Century.  I hope, (and I'm sure
>I'm not the only one) that by the time the 24th Century comes around, people
>won't be looked at for their physical attributes.  Maybe, to the crew of the E,
>seeing Troi's clevage isn't a big deal.  Maybe they have learned to look beyond
>the outward appearances.  

   I hope (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) that by the time the 24th Century
comes around, people will feel free to show themselves off any way they darned
well please without fear of social or regulatory repercussions.  Maybe, to
the crew of the E, seeing Troi's cleavage is sexually arousing and that's okay.
Maybe they have learned to look beyond the "shoulds" that were so prevailent
in our currently-still-too-Victorian society and feel free to let themselves
be THRILLED with being attractive and attracted.

-- 
Roger *M.* Wilcox   (aka Jeff Boeing)
tracer@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu
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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:34:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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**Possible Chain of Command SPOILERS*

They missed a great opportunity in Chain of Command.  Jellico could have
been a woman with virtually no change in the storyline.

[last chance to avoid spoilers]

With Jellico coming off as a strong, effective Captain, this leaves her
available for future episodes even if she doesn't end up in command
of the 1701D.  For instance, the Cairo may work closely with the Enterprise
in foiling Cardassian schemes.

A small chuckle - could you picture Grace Jones as Jellico?  After
Riker questions her ability, he has to be *carried* to his quarters!
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Stuart's acting and an English-speaking Universe (was: Re: CoC II much better than CoC I (Spoilers!))
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:04:58 GMT

Rick Ewing writes
> Patrick Stuart already had a "future" outside of Star Trek

And he commented on a talk show (Arsenio Hall's [blecch] I think) that  
in England, Star Trek is just another sci-fi show.  It's not as much a  
part of the culture as it is in the States.

> back to the original Star Wars where I remarked "Gee, the universe is 
> full of British actors!"

And isn't it amazing how on every Star Trek show and movie how the vast  
majority of the beings encountered speak perfect English or a language  
composed of English words?  How convienient.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail welcome
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:45:35 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1hflnnINNpke@transfer.stratus.com> det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>In article <rawdon.725308100@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>For instance, Gene Roddenberry has claimed that his two creations - Kirk and
>>Picard - reflected himself and/or his interests at different stages of his
>>life.  Given that he is male, it seems reasonable that he would choose males
>>to reflect that.

>There was a third Roddenberry clone - Wesley Crusher.  Interestingly,
>Wesley was originally Leslie Crusher in the early casting outline, a
>15 year old girl.  But Leslie (or Wesley, Gene's middle name) was
>according to Gene, "me at seventeen.  He is the things I dreamed of
>being and doing."  This character switched genders several times
>when the series was being fleshed out.

As I recall from the TNG Companion, Wesley was not really *intended* to be a
Roddenberry "clone".  Roddenberry observed at (at least) one point that he
identified with Wesley because he (Wesley) was doing all the things
Roddenberry had dreamed of doing when Roddenberry was Wesley's age.

However, I think that the gender-switching business (and the name changes that
went with it) are a good argument that Roddenberry's attachment to the
character only evolved after the character had been created.  (Unlike Kirk and
Picard.)

That's how I read it, anyway.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Uniform Colors in TNG
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:34:03 EST

I'm posting a theory as to the specific color pattern of uniforms in
TNG.

In TOS, of course, the colors were:

Gold/Green    Command
Blue          Sciences
Red           Engineering/Logistics

In the movies (after an experiment with pajama-type outfits) everyone
was outfitted with uniform tunics that were red/maroon.  In switching
to the TNG uniforms it was decided to keep the red/maroon color for
the command trades, while the gold was brought back for engineering/
logistics.
 
So the new colors are:

Maroon/Red  Command
Blue        Biosciences
Gold        Applied sciences/Engineering/Logistics

Comments, anyone?

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From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: East-Coast Defense: Chain of Command I *Spoilers*
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx19.mik.uky.edu!rccarm00
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:30:19 GMT

Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Anyone following the FAQ's, Creation Conventions, etc, know that Picard will
>be back in the 7th season, and also, that COCII is going to be a lead-in to
>DS9. 

     So far as *I* have seen, we have no indication whatsoever
that Picard will be back in the 7th season.  Patrick Stewart
has not signed on for a 7th season (or at least I've seen no
announcement of his signing here, if he has...)
     Where do you get your info?

RC Carman

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From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart writes for TV Guide this week! (re: ST:DS9)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 03:17:27 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
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In article <1992Dec30.232832.14037@icus.ICUS.COM> lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano) writes:
>Patrick Stewart will be writing for that TV Guide Episode (Jan 3rd 
>issue?)

If you look at the article, the byline is "Capt. Jean-Luc Picard". The
tag on the article says that it was "transmitted" to TVG by Rick Berman
and Michael Piller.

In other words, Patrick Stewart had nothing to do with it, and, despite
TVG's attempt at hinting that he did, there are no claims that he did.
It is hype from the producers written by the producers and put into the
mouth of a fictional character.

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From: lmahoney@chemdept.chem.ncsu.edu (Louise Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors...When are they mandatory?
Organization: Chemistry Department, North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:16:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.014354.28280@umbc3.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:

>Data is clearly in the command chain being 2nd Officer and all. But he wears
>a gold uniform since he is specialized in engineering and the other sciences.

>Spock likewise was in the command chain being 1st Officer, but since he was
>specialized in the sciences (not to mention being the Science Officer) he
>wore blue.

>My question is why was it absolutely necessary that Data wear red when taking
>the place of a 1st Officer? Or was it perhaps not abosolutely necessary, but
>just took place anyway...I'm curious about this.

>Also I have noticed never seeing anyone of Commander rank (Lt. Commander is not
>the same thing) who wore gold. I have seen red and blue, but never gold with
>3 pips. Is there something preventing this or is it just a coincidence?
>You would think in 6 years someone would specialize in engineering and be a
>commander!


This is my guess/no flames please

Data wears gold as conn officer
when he wears red as the First Officer, he no longer is a conn
officer so he becomes a red shirt  

what I want to know is how security went from being red in TOS
(ie the curse of the redshirt) to gold as it is in TNG?

and engineering went from red in TOS (Scotty wore red)
to gold in TNG

At least medical has always been blue
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From: jberman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Jesse Berman)
Subject: Re: Emmy for Patrick Stewart
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Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:25:13 GMT
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In article <1hqp9rINN1t8@early-bird.think.com>
fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

>  I agree.  I also think he deserved an Emmy for his performance in the ST:TNG
>  episode last year where he was taken over by a probe and experienced the 
>  liftime of the man from the dying planet (name anyone?).

That episode was called "The Inner Light."
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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:16:32 GMT
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**SPOILERS**



In article <1992Dec22.160432.25786@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.161910.16223@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:
>> Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
>> Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice

>Uh, well, this line is completely useless and insignificant to the plot,
>as it turns out in part II!

I wouldn't say it's insignificant.  Just because he didn't turn out to
be a totally incompetent jerk, shouldn't we see that he is not the
arrogant martinet he appears to be?  It tells us that he's going into
a tricky situation with some apprehension, even though he conceals
it well outwardly.  Also, it makes the viewers wonder if he really
knows what he's doing, and thereby adds an element of suspense - not
edge-of-the-chair-sweaty-palms suspense, but nonetheless a degree of
uncertainty about the character.
 
>Jelico turns out to be competent and successful. Another astute observation
>on the part of our Betabimbo!
                    ^^^^^^^^^
Oooooh, how clever!  Did you think that up all by yourself?  Oh, I get
it - constructive criticism!



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