From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:39:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.190633.19069@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.142936.868@cpqhou.compaq.com>, chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes:
>|> Why should a "very good team win record" be a requirement for the Heisman?
>
>I don't know why, although I certainly remember it being used as a measuring 
>stick back in 1989 when Tony Rice of Notre Dame was being touted as "Heisman
>material" by the sportscasters (esp. Musburger, Beano, et. al) because "he 
>has led his team to an undefeated record".  All this talk was going on while 
>he was having average to above- average stats for a QB that year (nowhere 
>near to Andre Ware's numbers).  
>
>Fortunately, when Notre Dame finally lost a game that season in 1989 (they 
>were defending National Champs from 1988 which is where all of Rice's heisman
>talk originated), Rice's Heisman chances went down the tubes.  

I don't remember Rice being hyped too much.  I never considered him a serious
contender, even when they were on that tremendous winning streak.  

Rice had a lot more to do with his team's wins, however (IMO), 
than Torretta does with his.
Although Rice's supporting cast was good, he (nearly always)
came through when the game was on the line.  In Torretta's case, someone
else comes through most of the time in the clutch, and he is along for the
ride.  This is not to say I think Rice should have won the Heisman.
But he was the epitome of the clutch player.


>
>I'm for that.  Which is why I question why Toretta won the award.  I could
>buy it if people said they voted for him because he was the best player
>rather than idiots like Lee Corso saying Toretta should get it because Miami
>is undefeated.  Hell, if that's how this award is determined, let Toretta
>and Alabama's and Texas A&M's QBs all share the award.

Exactly.  They certainly can't be implying that he is a clutch player, just
because his team wins.  So then they are only giving the award because the
team has a good record.  Makes no sense.

>
>|> I don't neccessarily think Faulk should get the Heisman, I just believe that
>|> as a PLAYER, he is certainly better than Torretta.
>|> 
>|> Look for Faulk in the NFL.  Look for Torretta in the CFL, or maybe doing
>|> something related to whatever degree he received at Miami.  If he DOES go
>|> to the NFL, he will be about as successful as that other Miami Heisman 
>|> quarterback.  Maybe he'll help Vinny keep the Tampa franchise where it is
>|> so accustomed to being.

Tampa Bay also has Erickson (sp?), so would they dare to take a third Miami
QB?

>
>
>|> Chuck Dickson - Compaq Computer Corporation - chuckd@cpqhou.uucp
>
>-- 
>
>Kevin H. Klinge
>Bell Communications Research
>kevink@soac.bellcore.com
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Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
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