From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: I'm God.
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:33:20 GMT
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In article <70921@hydra.gatech.EDU> 
rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
>In article <fTGg9M0@quack.sac.ca.us> 
pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>|In article <70498@hydra.gatech.EDU> 
>|rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
>|>Agreed.  And we have Christianity spread thoughout the world.  It spread 
>|>from Jerusalem out rather quickly.  Within a few days of Pentecost there
>|>were 3,000 (Acts 2:41) and then 5,000 (Acts 4:4) believers within 
>|>Jerusalem.  
>|Huh? Are you confusing facts with myth? Christianity was a total dud
>|amongst the Hellenistic Jews. It was in the crumbling remains of the
>|Greco/Roman empire that Christianity found it's converts. Of course,
>|"convert or die" is one offer that is hard to refuse.
>Were the Hellenistic Jews the only Jews?  I think not.  On the day
>of Pentecost, a big feast day, there were Jews from all over the region -
>not just from Jerusalem.

I think you are getting things confused, Pentecost is of course a
Christian holiday thus unlikely that Jews would come from all over to
attend. Shavuot on the other hand is something entirely different. You
Christians are always trying to steal other cultures holidays. You're
not going to fool me with your Christian propaganda, but obviously you
have already fooled yourself.

>|>Oh.  What is the volume of books we call the Bible that predicts and
>|>confirms this one man Jesus the Christ as he was to come, was here,
>|>and will come again?  I understand that's not enough.  
>|Man? Did you say man? I thought Jesus was a God or Son of God or
>|something like that. And the "New Testament" was written after the
>|facts. Makes prediction rather easy, don't you think?
>That's right he was a man, but he was God.  Don't get too excited
>about your perception of Jesus being only a man, for he was the fullness
>of God in human flesh.

Oh, so Jesus was both a man and a God at the same time, and also
sometimes a Son of God too, right? So, if Jesus could do it, does that
mean we can too? And what's all this pain and suffering and dying stuff,
this means nothing to God. If Jesus is a God then what is so special
about what He did? Any God can do that kind of stuff. The Goddess Kali
creates and destroys the Hawai'ian islands and is still active today on
the Big island. Surely an active Goddess is better than a dead man-god?

>|What? Buddha acheived enlightenment, that is transcendence of death, yet
>|he came back to play with the children. Once you are enlightened, you
>|are beyond death. But, being a Jesus freak, this is all beyond you.
>What is the after death, if one is enlightened as such and is beyond death?

Richard, you ask ME this question? The best have all been humbled and I
am not as enlightened as the best. If your God is truly transcendent
then the answer will be there.

>It says "YOUR MEN".  Jesus was God and man.

How can that be? I thought man and god were separate and yet you tell me
that they are one and the same. Are you sure it is possible for a man to
also be a God? That is a very pagan belief.

>|>A afterlife is promised for all who follow Jesus.
>|Hey, according to Christanity, everyone gets an after life. Even
>|non-believers, what's the big deal? Personally, I can't see spending
>|eteranity with a bunch of TV/fundy/EVILgelicals so the choice seems
>|fairly obvious. If opposites attract then I'm on your side, if you know
>|what I mean.
>If you made it to heaven, regardless of you thoughts towared fundies,
>you would be over that concern, for then we will know fully.

Well, maybe we are both already there answering your question.
Responding to t.r.m for eternity.

>|>Jesus rose and proved
>|>there was life beyond the grave and death had no more power over him nor
>|>will it have power over those who believe, for we will overcome death
>|>at the resurrection.
>|Oh really, so you predict that you won't die? And where will you go when
>|you die? The heavens? What like the moon? Outside of the universe? Even
>|at the speed of light, the first Christians haven't yet left the
>|universe. Where are you predicting yourself to go?
>Ultimately, we will be here on earth (Rev 20-22), but before that
>we will be with Jesus, but we are not told much about that.

Not told much about that? Where are all the sure answers now? What good
is a religion that doesn't answer the BIG questions? Are you telling me
that Christians have no idea?

>We do have a couple of stories.  One was his birth - how many other
>people have such a documented birth????

Oh please!

>|>They had them figured out.  Joseph was not the father.  Mary was the
>|>mother.  The legal line came through Joseph, as Matthew presents it.
>|>Matthew does not say Joseph was Jesus' father.  Luke gives the
>|>male ancestorial line and so the blood line of Jesus through Mary to 
>|>David -  Jesus was the son of each of those in Luke's geneology.  Both 
>|>of them mention Joseph.
>|Hmm, seems like kind of a screw up, don't you think?
>Oh.  Could you elaborate?

Unlikely, if you don't see it you don't see it.
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