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From: bsloan@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (bill sloan)
Subject: Re: Orlando without Mickey
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: nasa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:18:18 GMT

In article <C0Dxty.EJw.1@cs.cmu.edu>, jcm+@CS.CMU.EDU (Chris McGlone)
wrote:
> 
> The family unit and I will be heading to Orlando in April for a conference.
> While there was no way I would be allowed to miss Disney, I'm hoping desperately
> that there's something to do in that town (with a 2-year old) that doesn't 

> Thanks.  I hope I'm not insulting Orlandians too much.  
> 
> Chris McGlone

Not at all!  I try to avoid "tourist world" whenever possible.  but the
rules
require at least 1 visit per year!

alternative stuff to do:

Spaceport USA (at KSC)  Lots! of free space related exhibits, bus tours of
the
space center (not free).

Orlando Science Center - great place for kids.

Blue Springs State park (Orange City) - In the winter its a great place to
watch the Manatees.

Beaches - Daytona to Cocoa Beach - They're all great My favorites:
Playalinda
and New Smyrna.

If you're into road trips, there are a lot of great scenic backroads in the
area - I can provide suggestions if you're interested.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Bill Sloan
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Camping in Hawaii
Date: 10 Jan 1993 08:37:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Anyone have information on best camping areas in the
Hawaiian islands.
This is for backpack, tent camping only, am planning a trip
to spend about a month doing this among the islands.
Any books or personal experiences would be helpful, thanks.

mike romano


P.S.  Also if anyone knows about inexpensive moorings for
boats in the smaller islands, also interested in this.

-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Re: Love Hotel in Japan
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:00:17 GMT

Well, being a frequent traveler to Japan, and onetime resident, I've used
love hotels quite a lot.   There are some interesting facts about this
kind of hotel:

  1. They are primarily intended for "short stay" business. Couples looking
     for privacy.  Prices for short stay are from JY3000 and up.  

  2. The rooms are of "fantasy decor". Round beds, mirrors, elaborate
     bathrooms, baths.  Electric gadgets. Close circuit TVs. Watch out
     for rooms with mirrors, because someone my be lurking behind it, or
     worse yet, a video cam feeding the local closed circuit channel!

 3.  That said, the rooms are almost always clean. Fresh linens every hour!
     And the staff, helpful, and incredibly discreet.  

 4. Of course, you can use them for the "intended purpose", and its a lot
    of fun. Not sleazy at all. In fact, in a recent survey, most of the
    customer where young unmarried couples, or businessmen out to lunch for
    a "quickie", but MARRIED couples.  Seems there are few places for privacy 
    in Japanese homes, especially if hubbys mother lives there!

 5. Love hotels can be used for CHEAP OVERNIGHT stays too.  You see, the
busy hours are from 11-3 and 7-11PM.  The last trains in Tokyo are around
11:30.  So,,,,for about JY6000 you can do an overnight in these fantastic
rooms.  In fact, many businessmen do just that.  I have many times when
I ve been out drinking in Shinjuku too late.

6. Lastly, KIDS love LOVE HOTELS.  Great place to spend the night with
your family. CHEAP, and they love the mirrors, round beds, strange devices
in the bathrooms...etc etc.


IN short, highly recommended.  If you are in Shibuya, just head "up the hill"
and look for the purple signs out front.  You cant miss them.

Jim Turley, old asia hand and fequent user of Love Hotels

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
Subject: Re: South Pacific
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:39:30 GMT

>>we plan to visit the south pacific region ( Papua-New
>>Guinea, New Zealand, Austrialia and islands in this region )
>>during july/august this year.

>  Read Paul Theroux's book on his travels through that region 
>  before/while you travel -- it will add an interesting dimension.

Interesting, but perhaps somewhat imaginative?

This book has had some heavy criticism in reviews here in Australia as
a lot of it just doesn't ring true. One of the characters Paul Theroux
met in Cooktown has complained that the description of events in the book
were an enormous exaggeration of what actually happened.

Read it with a pinch of salt.

Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.backcountry,rec.railroad
From: artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flying to South Africa
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:03:02 GMT
Organization: MMC


In article <1993Jan7.034403.15160@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:
|> What kind of information do people out there have on flying to South
|> Africa in late December/early Jan 1994/1994? I want to leave from
|> Boston or Montreal, and get back to Minneapolis.  I would believe that
|> flying NW from BOS to AMS and then KLM from AMS to South Africa going and
|> KLM from South Africa to AMS and then AMS to MSP on the way back would be the
|> best (ande cheapest) way to go.. does anyone have any other suggestions?
|> 
|> Would be it be cheaper to buy a ticket on SAA from NY-JNB RT and then anopther
|> from JFK to MSP on Northwest? The advantage of flying KLM and NW are the FF
|> miles.
|> 
|> What about other airlines? Do people think that United will be flying to Sough
|> Africa from Dulles buy then? Will Virgin get permission from governments to
|> start flying from London?  Any suggestions would be great!
|> 
|> -Noah Cole
|> 
|> PS: Follow-up to rec.travel.air
|> --
|> Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
|> Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
|> St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
|> 612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu




Just got my ticket for $1843 from Orlando Fl, to NY JFK, to JNB ( South Africa )
direct from SAA; however, I could take other airlines, but have to spend 8 more
hours in the air.. yuk!
Is there other airlines who flies to SA direct????




thanks
Art
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Djibouti
Date: 6 Jan 1993 11:02:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Djibouti
============================================================
Djibouti - Consular Information Sheet
 December 24, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy is located at Plateau du 
Serpent, Boulevard Marechal Joffre, in Djibouti City. The mailing 
address is B.P. 185.  The telephone number is (253) 35-39-95.

Country Description:  Djibouti is a developing African country.  
Facilities for tourism are limited. 

Entry Requirements:  Visitors to Djibouti must have passports and 
obtain a visa before arrival.  Evidence of yellow fever immunization 
must be presented.  Travelers can obtain further information on 
entry requirements at the Embassy of the Republic of Djibouti, 1156 
15th Street N.W., Washington, D.C. 20005, telephone (202) 331-0202 
or at the Djibouti Mission to the U.N., 866 United Nations Plaza, 
Suite 4011, New York, N.Y. 10017, telephone (212) 753-3163.

Areas of Instability:  The potential for guerrilla activities 
exists in all areas of the country, especially along the 
Ethiopian/Djibouti border.  The U.S. Embassy has instructed its 
personnel to forgo travel within Djibouti City after dark.

Medical Facilities:  Medical facilities are limited.  Medicine is 
often unavailable.  Doctors and hospitals often expect immediate 
cash payment for health services.  U.S. medical insurance is not 
always valid outside the United States.  Supplementary medical 
insurance with specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  
Questions on health matters can be referred to the Centers for 
Disease Control's international travelers hotline at (404) 332-4559.

Information on Crime:  Petty crime occurs in Djibouti City and 
elsewhere in the country.  Useful information on safeguarding 
valuables and protecting personal security while traveling abroad is 
provided in the Department of State pamphlet, "A Safe Trip Abroad."  
It is available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. 
Government Printing Office, Washington D.C. 20402.

Drug Penalties:  Penalities for use, possession or trafficking in 
illegal drugs are strict and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.

Tips for Travelers:  The Department of State publication "Tips for 
Travelers to Sub-Saharan Africa" is available from the 
Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, 
Washington D.C. 20402.  It contains general information on travel in 
the region.

Registration:  U.S. citizens who register at the U.S. Embassy can 
obtain updated information on travel and security in the country.

 No. 92-140


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From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl (The Dude)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Request: St. Martin
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:20:28 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article <1993Jan5.033726.28142@moore.com>, Paul Maclauchlan writes:

PA> Has anyone visited the island of St. Martin?  I'll be spending some time
PA> there this spring, and I'm interested in recommendations for restaurants
PA> and sightseeing / historical sites.  Also, any suggestions on unique or
PA> unusual shopping excursions are welcome.

I've been there & I liked it. There's a very nice mexican restaurant near 
the airport (forgot the name), not too expensive. You can hire a car from
the airport, or a motorbike in Philipsburg (they've got a lot of big Harley's
and some off-the-road honda's). If you want a beautiful, quiet beach, then
go to guana bay beach (dutch side).

There are a some casino's on the dutch side (don't know about the french side).
If you plan on buying something over there at one of the many 'tax free' 
shops, here are a few hints:
- Haggle like hell, most of the things for sale (VCR's, radios, etc.) are
  not that cheap, even if they are tax-free.
- If you don't like a price, just walk away and look somewhere else. If they
  really want to sell, they'll offer you a lower price when you start too
  walk out of the door.
- If you can convince them somehow that you live on the island, you'll get the 
  best deals. I said I lived on the island, and got discounts ranging from
  10 to 40 percent. Stay away from the shops in Philipsburg when a cruise-
  ship arrives, prices will go up when FAT's arrive. 

Fun things to do on St.Martin are sailing, horsebackriding (and swimming with 
the horses in the sea), parasailing, swimming, and diving (although for diving,
the best place to be is Saba, small island 2 hr. swim from St. Martin). 
  
And don't be too much in a rush, 'cause everything is done in a very
relaaaaxed waaay (my kinda way:-).

BTW: There was a thread about st. martin in rec.travel about a week ago.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Minivacation certificate for sale
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:59:22 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

I have a mini-vacation certificate which I'd like to sell. This certificate
allows for  3 days and 2  nights of  lodging for  TWO ADULTS  at one of the
following Premier Resort  Areas:

FLORIDA DESTINATIONS:
Orlando Resort Area * St. Petersburg/Clearwater Beach Resort Area *
Marco Island/Ft. Myers Beach * Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach Resort Area *
Daytona Beach * Cocoa Beach 
(Seven days a week check-in available)

EASTERN UNITED STATES DESTINATIONS:
@Atlantic City Resort Area, NJ * Virginia Beach, VA *
Shenandoah Valley Resort Area, VA * Nags Head (Outer Banks), NC *
Blue Ridge Mountains (near Boone), NC * Myrtle Beach Resort Area, SC *
Catlinburg/Pigeon Forge, TN
(Four days a week check-in available)
@ Not available for New York Residents

WESTERN UNITED STATES DESTINATIONS:
@Las Vegas, NV * @Reno, NV * Vail Resort Area, CO * 
Palm Springs Resort Area, CA * Maui, Hawaii * Ozark Mountains (near
Branson), MO * Lake Palestine/Holly Lake (near Tyler), TX * 
South Padre Island, TX * Wisconsin Dells, WI
(Four days a week check-in available)
@ Not available for Nevada Residents

OTHER COUNTRY DESTINATIONS:
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico * MAzatlan, Mexico

Additional nights are available in selected resort areas for a special
discount rate. 

Offer valid through 12/31/93. The suggested retail value is $175.00.

I'm asking for $85/negotiable. Please, send a mail for more details.

Greg
landsberg@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: horak@convex.com (David Horak)
Subject: Re: Hiking Daytrips Around San Diego
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:11:35 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <7JAN199318133734@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov> halka@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Halka, Monica H.) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.194059.1233@linus.mitre.org>, mbmg@beethoven.mitre.org (Michael B. Michnikov) writes...
>>I will be in San Diego in the middle of February, and would like to 
>>make several hiking daytrips using San Diego as a base. 
>> 
>>Where should I go? 

>Anza-Borrego Desert---about 60 miles west of S.D. is amazing.

Well, there was once a song that said "The ocean is a desert with its 
life underground"  ;')  Actually, it's EAST of San Diego.  I agree though,
it is a beautiful place. I used to head out to the desert nearly every
weekend when I lived there. The weather is pretty warm in Feb. and if you
are lucky, you can pass through snow in the mountains on your way there!

David
From: rgty_ska@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Accommodation prices in London
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:49:54 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

A Lady I used to work with, is going to London and is interested in prices
of Bed and Breakfast place in and just out of London.  Nothing too expensive
as she is on a limited budget.  Also any addresses would be helpful.  She is
also going to York so any helpful information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Sheryl
From: emz@bjcong.bj.co.uk (ED ZIETARSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Request for info: skiing in Andorra
Keywords: skiing Andorra Pyranees
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:41:51 GMT
Organization: Boldon James Limited (UK)

I am planning to go skiing around 5th to 12th March this year with some friends.

Resorts in Andorra have been suggested (Arnisel, Solana, Soldel, Pasa del Casa -
sorry if the spelling is wrong).

Does anyone have any experience of skiing in Andorra or anywhere in the Pyranees

Thanks in advance for any help.
--
-- 
"Women should be obscene and not heard." - John Lennon.
-- 
-- 
"`And what is the use of a book,' thought Alice, `without pictures or
conversations ?'" - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll.
-- 
Ed Zietarski, Boldon James Limited, Damian House, West Street, Congleton,
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: pna@lucy.trnet.bb.softpro.de (Peter Nagy)
Subject: Local flights in East Africa, help needed
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:57:37 GMT
Organization: Software Professional GmbH, Boeblingen, Germany.

Can anybody please tell me, if there is a flight from 
Dar es Salaam to Nairobi or Kampala, respectively, and 
if there is any, how often and how much it can cost?

I've ridden my bicycle from Algir down to Bangui between
October and middle December 1992, alone.  Since I became 
ill and suffered from being alone I've returned to Germany,
where I'm currently living.  Now I've found a partner whith
whom I could continue my journey from Bangui to Dar es
Salaam, as originally planned.  Unfortunately one can fly to
Bangui by Air France (UTA) exclusively, but this company
does not fly to/from Dar es Salaam.

It seems to be the only way to fly TO Bangui and return FROM
Kampala or Nairobi, respectively.  But how to get back to
one of these towns from Dar es Salaam?

Any help is appreciated,
Thanx in advance


      ,
Nagy Peter

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Re: Info on Motels/Hotels in San Francisco required
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:25:02 GMT

Henry ... some of us SF people *do* object to the F-word.  

San Francisco is just fine.

40-50 is really tough.  Can you share a bath?

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge)
Subject: Re: Polynesian music
Reply-To: tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:27:03 GMT

I agree with you that the missionaries played the biggest role in destruction of
most of polynesian culture.  And that the Polynesian Cultural center show is a bit of
a strange one, with native polynesians play-acting for the tourists.  However, the
fact remains that the missionaries have had and continue to have an incredible pull
in polynesia.  To this day, particularly in countries such as Western Samoa and Tonga,
the church is all powerful.  It's almost a given that you regularly attend either the
mormon, catholic, wesleyan (methodist) or some other church.  The Ba'hais have recently
made great inroads in Tonga with their missions.  

The missionaries came to polyesian 100-200 years ago and change the culture and they're
still doing it today.  The point is, the polynesians are letting them.  They're not
stupid, ignorant people, but they've been raised with the fact that christianity is
their way of life.  And if we don't like some polynesian revue just because it is put on by some religious group, that's our problem.  It actually makes it more realistic in modern day, the religious groups are what put on the revues in the polynesian countries.

So, I suppose I agree and disagree with you.  By all means be disgusted by the act at
the PCC, but remember, thousands of young polynesians get a chance at an education.  
With 60% of the annual income for Tonga and Western Samoa (not including aid) coming 
from family members overseas, those educated youngsters can provide their families with
the money to survive comfortably.  

So support ancient polynesian culture by attend dance festivals and competitions when
in polynesia (like the Merrie Monarch Hula Competition in March every year in Hilo, 
the Bastille Day Fete in Tahiti is always accompanied by large dance competitions, there are also many Tahitian and Hawaiian dance and drum competitions throughout the
year both in Hawaii and California, with a big Hula competition in Las Vegas each 
spring).  Support the Bishop Museum, support King Kamehameha schools in Hawaii.
Complain about the missionaries all you want, but to keep ancient polynesia alive you
have to attend and support the groups that are trying to do just that.

Time to get off my soapbox.  Sorry for the ranting.

teresa
---
  Teresa L. Hollidge
  Methodologies, Tools and Infrastructure
  Strategic Informations Systems Division
  Pacific Bell
  2600 Camino Ramon, Room 4N250Z	phone: (510)823-6798
  San Ramon, California 94583		e-mail: tlholli@zeus.srv.pacbell.com

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: neve@nlm.nih.gov (Leif Neve)
Subject: Re: Advice needed -> South Africa
Reply-To: neve@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:47:20 GMT


In article 23451@iplmail.orl.mmc.com, artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art) writes:
>	I am going to South Africa End of this Month,
>	is there anyone out there who has been there
>	and could give me some advice??? on places to go,
>	places to avoid, weather???

I went about 5 years ago but can't remember exactly what time of
year. Things I did which I would recommend (sorry about some of the
spellings to follow!):

	-- Visit Durban with it's incredible ethnic diversity;
	      also surf there if you like
	-- Visit Capetown and environs: breathtaking beauty
	     you'll never forget; but ask someone about how
	     they forcefully evicted an entire area (Area 6?) of
	     its black residents, an area which now is an empy
	     grassy knoll for lack of white occupants
	-- Check out a game reserve; we went to Umfolozzi 
	     over in the east near the border of ???; one of the
	     great things about S.A. is the animals
	-- Check out Drakensberg  National Park near
	     Lesotho and hike, bask in the beauty, and eat
	     some fresh or smoked trout
	-- Check out at least one township to witness the
	     enduring scars of apartheid (we saw ones around
	     Capetown and Durban; I forget the name of the
	     big one outside the latter city)
	-- Try to buy your souvenirs from establishments that
	      try to return the profits to the originators 

This is a trip you won't forget, both for its inspiring beauty and its seering political
implications.

Take care,
Leif Neve


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Can one use calling card at Frankfurt Airport?
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:32:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.233123.25798@infonode.ingr.com> sivesh@rebels.b23b.ingr.com writes:
>Hi netters,
>
>I want to know if you can use your calling cards (AT&T &/or MCI) to call USA
>from any public phone booth at the Frankfurt airport? If yes then what is the 
>procedure? Here in the USA we dial/press 0 (zero) to get to the operator who 
>can then place a call for us. Is there any such service in Frankfurt? 

The # for AT&T in Germany is 01300010, which is a toll-free #.
You just insert 30 Pfennigs which will be returned after dailing the #.
An AT&T operator will come on the line and guide you from there on (since
there are no touch-tone phones).
It's much cheaper than regular calls from Germany to the U.S.

There is a similar service by MCI, the toll-free # differes only in the
last digit. Call the MCI operator to find out.

Also, this service exists for almost all western european countries.
Check with you long-distance company. They'll mail you a sheet will all the
toll-free numbers.

Frank

P.S. There exists a similar service by the german telephone company if
you want to charge a call originating in the U.S. to some german account.
You just dail (800) 292-0049 and get a german operator. Since the last
two digits are also the country code for Germany, this leads me to
believe that this might work for other countries as well.
(Of course, why would you want to pay more if you can get it cheaper
with your U.S. calling card?)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: rbkatz@cc.bellcore.com (Bob Katz)
Subject: Tours of Israel (Q)
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:30:29 GMT

In April, my parents, my sister, and I plan to visit Israel for the first
time.  We are allowing about two weeks for the trip.  Mainly because of
their age, my parents insist that we take some kind of organized tour.

Can anyone recommend an organization that runs tours of Israel?  Right now,
we're open as to the size of the tour group.  The tour should have
knowledgeable guides and should not rush us too much.

Any other tips or "must see" suggestions would be welcomed.

Thanks.

Bob
rbkatz@cc.bellcore.com