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From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Re: Virtual Communities/Intentional Communities
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:50:20 GMT

colinj@monet.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Colin Eric Johnson) writes:

>	With the discussion as it is on Communities I am wondering
>what people think about virtual communities. A friend has created a
>community in print in the form of a newsletter that he sends to people
>that know him or other people who receive the newsletter.

>	Given the number of mailing lists available on the net it
>seems that virtual communities are really happening. What do people
>think about this in terms of Intentional Communities? Do people have
>to be in physical contact to be part of an intentional community? And
>if they don't when can we define a virtual community as an intentional
>community. 

>-------------------------------
>Colin J.	colinj@ccs.itd.umich.edu
>``You have to pay attention or you miss the symbolism''
>-Mark Batell, Calculus instructor, Washtenaw Community College
>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Colin E. Johnson	colinj@ccs.itd.umich.edu
>Lab Monitor (Rover)	Univ. of Mich. ITD/ITS/CCS
>#include	<stddisclaimer.h>

The following comments have a rather testy tone.  Rather than rewrite 
the whole thing to soften it up, I will let you proceed with that warning.  
I stand by the essential meaning of what I said.

Try living in a real community of 1000 people.  You can't lurk in the
shadows and watch without participating.  You can't delete a
troublemaker or establish a kill-file to avoid dealing with one.  (I
know, we have jails, but it is not a simple matter to use them.)  If
you are different from the community norm, you won't just be flamed or
deleted or kill-filed, you will be ostracised or beaten up.  You can't
just come and go as you please -- you have to get along or get out, and
sometimes getting out is not really possible.  In short, there is NO
SUCH THING as a virtual community.  It is a romantic fiction of modern
techno-driven people who live in cities which have little or no real
community to begin with; the model is faulty, so the product is doomed
to be flawed.

I disclaim nothing.  If the State of Nebraska or any of its agencies
happen to agree or disagree with me, that's their business.

--
>>> Bryan Stack, Government Documents Librarian, University Library
University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha NE 68182-0237 USA
Email: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu   Phone: 402-554-3258   FAX: 402-554-3215
         One of these days I'm going to stop procrastinating.
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Subject: Telecommuters, Remote Workers
From: 9138827a@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 29 Oct 92 14:35:19 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

This item has been cross-posted to misc.jobs.contract,  misc.jobs.misc
misc.rural and alt.business.multi-level
======================================================================

I am undertaking postgraduate study at the School of Library and
Information Management, University of South Australia, Adelaide, on
the particular information needs of telecommuters - those who perform
job-related work at a site away from an organisation and communicate
electronically rather than commuting physically.
 
I would be very interested in, and would greatly appreciate a response
from those who are telecommuters, to the following questions. If you
are not a telecommuter but know of others who are it would be
appreciated if you could pass this on to them:
 
 
Q1      Does the organisation to which you telecommute provide any
        library and information services which are accessible to you
        online? (eg catalogs, reference assistance, databases, literature
        searches, document delivery services, organisation information
        such as daily bulletins and administrative gazettes.)
 
        If yes:
 
        (a) What services are provided?
        (b) How useful are these services to you?
 
Q2      (a)     What is the nature of the organisation to which you
                telecommute?
 
        (b)     If you sometimes commute physically to your organisation,
                how frequently do you do this?
 
Q3      What are the particular information needs that you have as a
        telecommuter?
 
Q4      What basic information services do you consider should be
        provided by an organisation for its telecommuters? (see Q5 for
        additional and desirable services)
 
Q5      What additional information services would you perceive as being
        highly desirable for an organisation to provide for its
        telecommuters?
 
Q6      Are there any further comments you wish to make regarding the
        information needs of telecommuters?
 
Q7      Would you like a summary of the results of this survey E-mailed
        to you?
 
Respondents can be assured that individuals and organisations will not
be identified in any report or summary of this survey.
 
Please E-mail your response to my Internet address:
 
9138827a@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au
 
Thank you for your cooperation
 
Bronwen Strong

Xref: sparky alt.co-ops:245 alt.sustainable.agriculture:168
From: colinj@monet.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Colin Eric Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops,alt.sustainable.agriculture
Subject: Virtual Communities/Intentional Communities
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:16:04 GMT
Organization: Campus Computing Sites - University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: monet.ccs.itd.umich.edu


	With the discussion as it is on Communities I am wondering
what people think about virtual communities. A friend has created a
community in print in the form of a newsletter that he sends to people
that know him or other people who receive the newsletter.

	Given the number of mailing lists available on the net it
seems that virtual communities are really happening. What do people
think about this in terms of Intentional Communities? Do people have
to be in physical contact to be part of an intentional community? And
if they don't when can we define a virtual community as an intentional
community. 

-------------------------------
Colin J.	colinj@ccs.itd.umich.edu
``You have to pay attention or you miss the symbolism''
-Mark Batell, Calculus instructor, Washtenaw Community College
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Colin E. Johnson	colinj@ccs.itd.umich.edu
Lab Monitor (Rover)	Univ. of Mich. ITD/ITS/CCS
#include	<stddisclaimer.h>
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
Subject: Re: intentional communities
Date: 9 Nov 1992 05:45:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In reference to Kenneth Clark's comments (see previous in
thread):

The argument that it is best to stay in the midst of the
greater problems and try to solve them rather than to ==leave==
and start a new community, has been around for some time.
In fact during the 60's there were two main stages: first
the activists and hippies tried to ==turn on== the cities
to love and peace (and of course end the war in Vietnam);
then after about a decade of that attempt, there was a mass
movement to the country.

Specific point:  Mr. Clark states that moving out of the
city to start a community is .... essentially the suburbs.
That's hardly relevant.  There is no consciousness among
suburbanites per se, concerning environment or community,
merely more material comforts within commuting distance, etc.

If Mr. Clark believes that all utopian movements going back
to Sir Thomas More (and earlier) are just like those
suburbanites...so be it.

As for the argument stated above that it is better to 
struggle for equality in the cities than leave and start
anew, it might be well to read some current journals
including the Whole Earth Review, Rain, others...all
are having a renewed and excited interest in 
==decentralization== as a solution for city problems.

Intentional, eco communities can also be looked at as
simply moving the city to the country and decentralizing
it.
Finally, it is important to be specific.  Mr. Clark states
that the cities have always been great models of environmental
efficiency, liveability, etc....yet environmentally it is
well nigh impossible to live and work in a city and 
significantly curb one's pollution.
However that is exactly what can be done, and done easily
and quickly in setting up an eco community.
What is natural about a city?
How big and dense can a city be and still be liveable?
Anyone care to make specific suggestions on how to stop
the homelessness, poverty, violence in the inner city?
The bottom line I often find is that the idea or vision
of the eco intentional community is simply too positive
and requires a higher degree of cooperation and lessening
of the ego (which ego is an American trademark), and
cooperation is often just as difficult within the 
left, social activists, etc. as in other political
spectra,===unless=== of course it is simply cooperation
to compaign against another political power group.
It is time to transcend the struggle mentality and 
build community from the ground up.

-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
Newsgroups: alt.co-ops
From: ranger@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John C. Tennyson)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Is it really possible to post anonymously?
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:43:18 GMT
	<Ivan-071192014047@Scratchy.com> <mark.721356209@coombs>
Organization: University Computing Services

In article <mark.721356209@coombs> mark@coombs.anu.edu.au (Mark) writes:
:There is a clue in that in the Path: line it goes from honeywell!tcscs!nowhere
:so someone could get the resolution of your machine and if it was something
:that needed to be followed up then a person could contact the sysadmin of your
:machine and get a 'last' of the time of that post.
:
:If someone has access to a hub newsfeeder they could sneak in some sites
:behind them so it looked like it was passing through. I'm not sure if that
:would be nice for the routing algorithm though. It might not arrive at those
:sites which would be yet another clue to narrow it down more.
:
How about just posting to the NNTP host on uu.net and post to the network
directly.... but to go that far to remain completely anonymous one must 
really be doing something nasty and creul and well, we all know that that is 
a no no.....

PS.  NO! i'm not going to post and/or reply to mail messages about the 
whereabouts and/or methods of posting to said NNTP host, suffice it to say 
it exists, and that to bother using it instead of the somewhat anonymous 
methods available the user would have to be doing something really un-nice...
(Besides its easy to find)

CurrentStupidButCuteObHack:

MUNCHIE: a neat little program which will delete certain files at certain 
	 intervals accompanied by the message if i'm logged in at the time 
	 (needless to say it will delete them if i'm not logged in :-) ):
	 %% The computer is hungry:
	 %% it eats <this.file> 
	 %% and <the_other_file>
	 %% and <even.more.files>
	 %% ** BURP **
	 I plan on using it as a cute way to kleen up my stupid emacs ~ files
	 that i like to keep around for a short while and am to lazy to do it
	 by hand.... Not a great hack, but a cute one ;^)

	
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| All that is gold does not glitter,  | John C. Tennyson                |
|  Not all those who wander are lost. | Ranger@TITAN.ucc.umass.edu      |
| -- JRR Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings" |                                 |
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Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: anonymous
Subject: Re: Is it really possible to post anonymously?
Originator: noone
Organization: not a one
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:45:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.022934.7881@panther.mot.com> asu@panther4.panther.mot.com (Russ Trotter) writes:

   Hello,
     I know somebody here has got to know this one...but...is
   it really possible to post anonymously...untraceable?
   Is this just a pipe dream?

   Russ


Some people think so :^)


Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: decode
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:26:00 GMT

In article <921106.19283D.chess@watson.ibm.com>, chess@watson.ibm.com (David M. Chess) writes...

[...]

>- -- -
>David M. Chess                     \    Femmes aux tetes de fleurs
>High Integrity Computing Lab       \     retrouvant sur la plage la
>IBM Watson Research                \     depouille d'un piano a queue

                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alexandre Khalil                       D'ou provient cette citation,
                                      s'il vous plait ?
From: jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu (James J. Szinger)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: hardware hack: _very_ portable Yamaha keyboard
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:44:36 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Yale University, Intelligent Sensors Lab, Elect. Eng.

In article <ZOWIE.92Nov10045119@daedalus.stanford.edu>
zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:

~Well, here's an OK hardware hack:

~This year, I've modified my Yamaha PSR-500 keyboard for use in the Stanford 
~University Marching Band.  It's the only regularly-used keyboard I know of, 
~in *any* marching band.  Has anyone heard of another?

The YPMB has had a grand piano on the field during halftime.  We
also have a guy who carries around one of those miniature Casios.
Your setup is more impressive, but not unique.  We've also had a
'cello, but that's closer to stupidity than a hack.

~Volume was a little harder.  The Yamaha uses 9-12 VDC power, so I
~bought a 120W car stereo amp, on special at Radio Shack. 

~I get power on the field from a 20 Amp-hour motorcycle battery, cost around 
~$40.

When I was in high school, our marching band had an electric
guitar.  It also had a cart with a heavy duty car battery, a
12VDC-120VAC inverter and a large Fender amp.  One guy played the
guitar, while someone else pushed the cart around.  Could you
find a volunteer?

~It weighs about 15-20 pounds, all told.  That's less than a bass
~drum or brass tuba, but more than a fiberglass tuba or any other
~instrument in the LSJUMB.

Just when I was beginning to respect you, you go and mention
fiberglass tubas. 0.5 :-)

ObHack #1: Last fall I spent a couple afternoon in the metal shop
attempting to fix an alto horn so I could join the YPMB.  I
learned a lot about making weird sized screws.  Two weeks later I
found a working alto horn in the back of the instrument room
which I used for the rest of the football season.

ObHack #1.5: For basketball and hockey, I didn't need as much
mobility, so I used a euphonium since it played better.  The
problem is, I can't play on that large a mouthpiece.  So I took
an old trumpet mouthpiece, cut off and discarded the cup, drilled
out the shank to accept a french horn mouthpiece and held
everything together with duct tape.  The best thing is, the
resulting combination worked better than some officially approved
and recommended mouthpiece/horn combinations.

NonHack #2: The preceding shenanigans were becoming tiring, so
this fall I went and spent large amounts of Real Money on a King
marching horn.  It's in tune, loud, and a joy to play. Not a
hack, but a fine work of craftsmanship.

Jim
--
James Szinger                        jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu

"He was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad."
From: hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: none
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:07:18 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Information, Lower Volta.


	test post.. if this works, more to come
	if not you won't see this anyway



-- 
   /I\          Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
  /(*)\         hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu                 
 /IIIII\        "Leave EVERYTHING to ME!" - Powdered Toast Man       
/IIIIIII\       Happiness is a warm gun.
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: VW Hack
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 10:35:43 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:

> Actually the best way to clean the windshield of a VW is to buy a rabbit.

Don't let the Humane Society hear about that.


                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
                   Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
                                      -qr
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: pmiach@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Paul Miach)
Subject: lucky : -)
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:21:41 GMT

	This was a linux hack, and it saved me booting from a root disk (which
I didn't want to do). Any way, someone was trying to install gcc, and managed
to chmod 644 /bin/*. Which was pretty cool, as I only knew when 'chmod' became a
'Command not found', so I had effectivly lost /bin. Jumped into /usr/bin (only
other place with binaries). /usr/bin was still there, intact :-).
	Well, /usr/bin was pretty sparce, but fortunately, included 'uuencode',
'uudecode', and 'elvis' (a vi clone). To get a working chmod, all I needed to do
was 'uuencode chmod chmod > chmod.uu', vi the header to look like 'begin 755
chmod.yes', save the changes, and type 'uudecode chmod.uu'. Now that I had a
chmod the rest was simple.
	This is also my 1st alt.hackers post, 2 hacks for one ;-).

Paul Miach.
From: mrhoten@cs.stanford.edu (Matthew Rhoten)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Two hackers caught tapping into Boeing, federal computers
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:26:47 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Originator: mrhoten@Xenon.Stanford.EDU

mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
>The following was found in comp.security.misc. My question is this:
>how'd they decrypt the passwords (as the following claims)? Perhaps
>the encryption was less secure than our trusty DNS...
>[quoted article omitted]

Perhaps the article is inaccurate (as so many media articles about
computing are), and our wayward cracker merely used the dictionary
technique and got lucky with the root password? Or, more likely,
perhaps the cracker got lucky with one or more non-root accounts and
used some other security hole to get root access on the machine. I
know this isn't what the article said, but, well, that wouldn't
surprise me a bit. It is possible that the host used some silly
reversible encryption system, I suppose.

ObHack: (remember these?)  So I just bought a lamp, the kind that
comes with a sleeve for possible insertion into a hole in a desk, but
with a hole in it so it can fit over a bolt from enclosed mounting
bracket. I then realized that the place I really wanted to put it was
up on top of my closet (really a sort of chifforobe affair), the
better to illuminate my lofted bed. There's no hole in the top of my
closet, and I can't really put one there without disturbing the folks
who own it. Nor is there a place on the top of the closet suitable for
the mounting bracket. So, I grabbed some volumes of Inside Mac, a
hardback book I didn't really care about, attached mounting bracket to
the hardback, put it up on some other lying-around books, stacked the
IMs on it, and, viola! I was in alto clef, with a reasonably stable
lamp clamped to a big stack o' books on top of the closet.

Hey, no hack too small :)

 -matt
-- 
Matthew Rhoten | mrhoten@cs.stanford.edu | m_rhoten@leland.stanford.edu
"When Adam and Eve first saw each other, that's when the blues started."
 -John Lee Hooker
From: chess@watson.ibm.com (David M. Chess)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 12:01:20 EST
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: self-generating hack

I wanted a small assembler program to be able to check itself at
runtime to make sure it hadn't been changed / damaged / hacked-
by-an-amateur.  The first and obvious solution was to have it
read a checksum from some set place in the file (like the very
end), and read itself from disk and check against that checksum
at runtime.  The checksum value itself would be calculated and
patched in by a second program as part of the MAKE process.  But
that's a boring solution, and it would mean having another
program to maintain, and having two different implementations
of the same algorithm (because the primary program is in
assembler, and the checksum-patcher-in would most likely be
in C).

So instead I changed the source to the primary program so that
when run it would jump to the very end of itself, where there is
a routine that calls the checksum-calculation subroutine on the
main part of the program, patches itself in memory to include
the calculated value, patches out the initial jump-to-end,
and then writes a copy of the patched in-memory image (just enough
to include the main program and the checksum, and not itself)
back to disk under a name passed in as an argument.  So now
the MAKE process first assembles FOO, and then FOO is run to
create BAR, which is the self-testing end product.  More of
a kludge than a hack, I suppose...   *8)

UlteriorMotiveHack: an XEDIT macro that automatically makes
my maunderings into something the gateways and such will
make into a news posting.  So here I am testing it.

- -- -
David M. Chess                  \   Come home to your wife and family,
High Integrity Computing Lab     \      Come home to the fireside bright.
IBM Watson Research               \
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: jkonrath@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon Konrath)
Subject: Re: Yodaspeak (was TV show)
Organization: No organization. No life. Just emacs.
	<1992Oct30.141057.1024@davidge.com>
	<BIANCO.92Nov11151433@crocus.cs.odu.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:32:39 GMT

In article <BIANCO.92Nov11151433@crocus.cs.odu.edu> bianco@crocus.cs.odu.edu (David J. Bianco) writes:

   [...]
   (plus the BIFFSTER!!1!! filter posted recently 8) My 
   ObHack is that I patched it into the IRC client code
   so that incoming or outgoing (your choice) text can be
   filtered through it.  "And now, live on IRC, BIFF!!!1!!!"
   It's pretty funny.  It has been suggested that I provide
   a choice of filters for different people.  I'm putting
   that capability in now, and would really appreciate it
   if you could let me know where I might find other filters.
   'Specially the swedish chef! 8)

My similar OB-hack (although it was a no-brainer) was taking the
zippy the pinhead lines from emacs and writing a program in VAX C
to bitnet random lines to a person.  It really blows a persons 
mind when their screen is suddenly filled by zippy quotes....

next OB-hack:  getting similar results with flame.el :)

-j



--
Jon Konrath | Jkonrath@indiana.edu | one world. one sig.
From: Jimbo@*.il
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: (none)
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:09:00 GMT

Helo Hackers of Sun World...

As a Manual reader i was thinking to be able to do things...
[in fact i did...]
but now come a chalenge ... one i am not able to solv alone...
i fingered someone last night and just before his .project was
write 'Connected From: nowhere'
the prog seem to be easy a nod on .project and sending to port 79
but it didnt work...
i am not use to write on alt.hackers but here is a good reason to do
it.
Well if someone know a prog that is doing it or may have some ids...
emails are welcome...

Hacking for fun.
			Jimbo.

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