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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #300 (was Re: CRISIS IN INFINITE (well, several) NEWSGROUPS)
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:38:39 GMT

mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:

>	One thing, though-- does anyone know what Cerebus meant by his
>last line.  (Leave it to Dave to put in a mysterious utterance in the
>very last issue.  Bastard.)  Or does it refer to something that I'm
>blanking on?

Ftp a fresh copy of Citizen Kane from tnt.turner.com and look at the
first and last scenes.  Then re-read `Hitchhiker's Guide'.  It'll
grow on you.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: LNH: NEWS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:30:57 GMT

Since Craig Thomas Judd released the last part of the old story, people have 
been writing me saying, "hey what's going on? How does all of this fit together?
 
Well it occurs to me the first part of the story (Call To arms) left a lot of
questions unanswered so this weekend I'll release LNH #0 wich will tell the
story of the formation of the (sorry, got confused w/ Youngblood for a moment)
It'll be the story of the Five year g...(oops wrong again.)
It'll bridge the summer break.  

That is unless someone beats me to it.

----SCAVENGER

-- 
KAHN: And I never forget a face.  Mr. Chekov,   |  kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
           isn't it?                            |      (Internet/Usenet)
CHEKOV:  But, I wasn't in that episode!!!       | No matter where you go, there
     (from MST3K:The Wrath of Kahn)             |    you are."-Buckaroo Banzai 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Marvel Bashing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:43:23 GMT

Okay, this is a tangential thread, so if you followup to it you might want to 
change the sunject name.
     I agree with the point that New Warriors is a "shining ray of hope", not 
just because it is "titans without angst," but also because the members seem to
show a certain amount of, dare I say it, *responsibility*!  When Vance kills 
his father, he *doesn't* try to beat the rap, he doesn't flee the police, he 
doesn't even go with his pals when they try to break him out!  When confronted 
with his doppleganger in one of the better written IWar crossovers, Rage 
doesn't try to destroy it, he accepts it as a part of himself that he has to 
live with!  When Nita fails to get a conviction on Swimming Bear because she 
arrested him improperly, she doesn't attack him in the courtroom, she tries to 
catch him the right way, even if she has to compromise her priniciples to fix 
the mistake she made in the first place (okay, so her motive isn't that pure, 
but at least she doesn't follow the guy out of the courthouse, grab him and 
drop him from 5 miles over the ocean like some hardball types would).  It's not
all noble, of course, but the fact that this team tries to live up to that 
hackneyed old phrase "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" and not the 
hackneyed new phrase "The Only Way To Beat A Bad Guy Is To Become Worse."
     Dave Van Domelen, if Stan Lee can't pronounce "Xavier" correctly, why 
should I believe his pronounciation of "Magneto"?
From: gu@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Ushaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: slaine: the horned god = slaine the ________ ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:09:21 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

just a question here :

you say Bisley and Fabry do work in the states, I'm well aware of what
Bisley has done but what about Fabry? All that I know of are the Hellblazer
covers, which aren`t a sufficient reason for me to buy a book that has
gone downhill as far as that one has. What else has he done? There were
stories ages ago of Fabry and Pat Mills collaborating on a continuation
of Scatha for Epic - called Witch I believe, but I don't think it ever
came out.
Any info?
ta cheers.
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From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
Subject: Re: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:27:31 GMT

v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor) writes:


>	Hey everyone!  (Everyone point at newbie)

>	Just thought I'd try and get a sub-conversation started here 
>about the Infinity Wars series....thought it to be _very_ 
>interesting, and was wondering if anyone is as hooked on it as I
>am!!
>	I usually read 'down-to-earth' stuff like the X-titles, but
>the inter-cosmic scale on which this series is presented in just
>incredible!!  A great follow-up to the 'Infinity Gauntlet' series,
>IMO.
>	Well, this is a short post and I will probably receive a short
>reply....but hey!  At least I posted!  (|

Oh well, to each his own.  :-)

>BTW...have a nice day!
From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be Unleashed on the Net
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:55:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 29-Aug-92 Unrepentant Heresy
About To.. Jason Lee Smith@andrew.c (1290)

> 	I don't really like Sandman any more.

Thank you for your input. Agents have been dispatched to deal with you.

> 	In short, I'm tired of seeing lukewarm storylines put out by a good
> writer, but not a great writer, of comics and have them cheered as
> earth-shattering works of fiction. Don't get me wrong, I like Gaiman's
> work. MiracleMan is great, I thought the Books of Magic were swell, and
> Sandman is a good comic. However, I don't think it deserves the
> attention its been getting. 
[...]
>  I just wanted to see if anyone else shares my feelings.

    I don't, but I have had a possibly related thought. Gaiman started
out the series writing about Myth; the Endless were personifications of
parts of the human psyche, and their actions were Gaiman's way of
talking about that. This is why it was cool.
    With the _Brief Lives_ story, I get the feeling that he has slipped
away from that; he's writing about his characters, not about us. I'm
fascinated by his characters, but it's not quite the same thing. 
    I may of course be totally off-base about this; the completion of
_Brief Lives_ may reveal that Dream's boneheaded love affair,
Destruction's disappearance, Desire's multiple vendettas, and Del's
history and quirks, may all tie in to the original themes. In which case
I will be cheering it as an earth-shattering work of fiction, and you
may consider this post silently retracted. I have enough confidence in
Gaiman to expect this, but your milage may vary.

> 	Also, I really can't stand McKean's artwork on the covers.

Matter of taste. I like McKean's stuff a whole lot.

> 	Also, I think Death is one of the stupidest characters ever created.

Such promising flamebait. :-)

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.170950.29191@udel.edu> lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.100856.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.032222.15756@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>>> You're right that he did this, but wrong as to his target. Loki switched
>>> places with the Japanese thunder god (as he mentioned, he has a slight
>>> grudge against such deities). Dream caught him and made an unspecified
>>> deal with Loki not to let Odin know about it. Nuala isn't Loki unless
>>> Dream's been very careless for a very long time now.
>>
>>Unspecified?  From the TPB edition of Season of Mists, it seems pretty
>>apparent that Dream will replace the bound Susan-Thingie with a dream image,
>>and that Loki is born into an oriental child.
>
>Really? I remember the part about Dream replacing the Chinese god with
>the dream image, but I don't remember Loki being born into an oriental
>child. *Nada* was reborn as a baby, though. I have the original issues
>and not the TBP; are they different?

Japanese, for the second time, not Chinese.  Surely you could have told from
the style of the artwork.  :)  Now, pages in the TPB were recolored for
clarity (and perhaps more gore).  The TPB is a much more convenient work if
you deal with backing boards and plastic bags, but it is not all that different
from the single issues in content.  Surely nothing on the order of a retcon.
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Aria Press and "A Distant Soil"
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:05:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.041406.17885@oracle.us.oracle.com> wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) writes:
>In article <bhotvedt-240892194828@usemac70.uio.no> bhotvedt@gollum.uio.no (Tor Houghton) writes:
>] I was just wondering if anyone had any information about Colleen Doran+s
>] wonderful "A Distant Soil" series.
>    No, I only have misinformation (some would say, disinformation).
>I'll tell you what I know here; someone will be along in a bit with
>the *real* facts.

I'm not sure if I have the real facts either, but I'll give it a shot...

>    And, each time it started again, it was fairly thoroughly revamped:
>I essentially have three different comics named "A Distant Soil".

Yup, every time A Distant Soil has switched publishers, she's restarted
it.  This is the third of fourth time she's done it.  Let's hope she does
it all the way through this time!

>(Note to speculators: This is a great way to claim lots of "first
>issues".  I own three "Whisper #1"s, all different.)

I am NOT going to get into this one...

>    I'm not sure what happened to Starblaze/Donning.  Are they still
>publishing?  Or did Doran simply get sick of them?

Starblaze went kaput (<-actual sound it made! really!) some time ago.
Too bad, since they had a number of nice titles - Distant Soil, Gate
of Ivrel adaption, Duncan and Mallory, and I think Myth Adventures and
Buck Godot, although I won't swear to either.

>    Self-publishing generally means higher quality, and *much* longer
>waits between issues: since she's publishing, marketing, handling
>subscriptions, etc., there'll be less time for the side work--y'know,
>writing, drawing, that stuff.

Personally, I don't see why self-publishers don't sacrifice the non-
essentials of life - eating, sleeping, breathing etc. - in order to
devote more time to their work and get their comics out sooner to
their fans.
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:53:31 GMT
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	<1992Aug25.170950.29191@udel.edu>
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Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company

In article <1992Aug25.214625.5185@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (HELD HOSTAGE -- YEAR ONE) writes:
   Morpheus realized a switch had been made after everyone had left, and Loki-
   as-Susano was trying to pull something decidedly dishonorable (I forget what
   that was).  Not wanting to interfere in the bad blood between Loki and the
   other  Aesir, Morpheus let Susano go, replaced him with a dream image, and
   also let Loki go.  I am certain that Susano is going to get his revenge.

The fake Susano-o-no-mikoto was merely trying to leave Dream's palace without
saying goodbye.  As Dream confronted him, he broke down in a very non-Susano-
like fashion which immediately gave him away as Loki.
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From: jkdickin@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (John K. Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Cerebus TPB (was Re: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Policy
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:55:42 GMT

In article <Bu0JzF.83r@world.std.com> nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine) writes:
>jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:
>
>FYI.  I picked up _Jaka's Story_ and _Melmoth_ from my local comic book
>store last week, so these should be available already in most cities.  I
>payed $20 for each.       
>
>Also, Dave Sims is going to start a signing tour soon, or already has started.
>I think I expect him here in Lake Charles at the beginning of next year. 


	Some special arrangements must have been made. I called around the city
today and couldn't find any comic store that had all 6 phonebooks. And I live
in Kitchener/Waterloo (twin city) were Dave Sim lives and Cerebus is published.

	I couldn't get through to one comic store in Kitchener though and could
yet be proved wrong. I did find one store with the first four in stock though.
No mention of the last two books were made by the owner when I spoke to him,
but note that I didn't dirrectly ask him about this because I was only after
both Church & State Volumes. Later when I have money and time I'll try to get
the next two.

	John
From: derrick@cs.athabascau.ca (Derrick Rowlandson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Brave New Words (Mispent Youths)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:14:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: aupair.2385
Distribution: rec
Organization: Athabasca University


Is there anyone out there who can help? I want to order all issues
of Mispent Youths (except #1). Directory assistance can't help
me contact Brave New Words in Providence RI.


Any help would be appreciatted.


thanks

Derrick
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: LNH: What's in the THC6 chambers?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:15:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


	Deep in the bowels of r.a.c., a pod bursts open, revealing the
young form of Myk-El. Faced with important questions of his own existance
he wonders if he is the real newsreader, or is he mearly a younger
clone of the Myk-El who has migrated over to r.a.c.misc? 

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Dirty Pair IV (was Re: r.a.comics to be rmgrouped Sept. 30.)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:20:17 GMT

In article <mumble> ia92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

>  - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu)
>
>"Nanoviruses:  They grow on ya."  - Dirty Pair IV:  Sim Hell #2

Hey, where'd you see that?!?  I didn't think DP IV issue #1 was out
yet!  



-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: FF annual follow-up?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu0EpJ.4D3
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Was there ever a follow-up to the FF annual #23 story where Doc Doom
finds out that Volcana has some of the Molecule Man's power?
--
"You may stand relaxed Daredevil! I have so rarely been defeated...that I
 am amused by the novelty!"
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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James P. Dusek)
Subject: Re: JSA CANCELLED????
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:57:31 GMT

hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:

>Well, it's nice that we'll have 10 issues but this still means that
>DC has cancelled the title after having sales information about
>only two issues doesn't it?  I can understand cancelling a title

	Nope, they have sales info up to the 5th title. Dealers
order two months in advance. So blame your dealer because orders
are low for it.

				James Dusek
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Dave Sim and feminism
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:10:51
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
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In-reply-to: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 19:26:14 GMT

> There was a time when just the word "feminism" would set Dave
> Sim off . . .

=o= In that one bizarre Note From The President, Sim said
that he used to support feminism but doesn't any longer,
because it had changed to encompass censorship and such.
His mistake was to see two different factions of feminism
and to present one as what "feminism" used to be and the
other as what "feminism" is now.

=o= On the cover of _True_North_II_ Sim qualified this
to "knee-jerk feminism," which is a tad closer to the mark.
But then he had to go and make that silly statement that
"feminism" is inappropriate when there aren't enough jobs
to go around.

=o= (There are certain feminist elements in the story Sim's
telling, and I'm not sure he's completely aware of them.
I really do get the impression (as does he) that he's not
entirely in control of the story.)

=o= The different factions have different names, but since I'm
being flamed about these names on the feminist men's mailing
list, I won't go into details.  My original point is that there
is one faction that is "radical feminism," and two others that
get called "radical," and that folks should make sure they know
which one they're talking about.  That's all.
    <_Jym_>
				"Someone's broken every bone in
				her soul,and she was so bright,
				so strong.  I guess it doesn't
				take much to dismantle a human
				being." (54)

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Grendel and Spawn
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:17:31 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <Z9JeqB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>Am I the only person who thinks that Spawn looks just like Grendel in a 
>cape?

What do you mean "Grendel in a cape"?  Grendel *had* a cape (in the Eppy
Thatcher story :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon	    rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu  [Note new address!]
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"I am a cat, and I keep my own counsel."
					- "A Dream Of A Thousand Cats"
From: matthew@cco.caltech.edu (Matthew John Derer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be Unleashed on the Net
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:25:14 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

Jason Lee Smith <js06+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>	I don't really like Sandman any more.
>	<courteous pause while fans unsheath their knives>

[personal viewpoint deleted]

I'm sorry, your viewpoint was expressed too courteously to be considered
acceptable Usenet fare.  You didn't use nearly enough absolutes (eg
X sucks, Y is a terrible comic book), and you put in far too many
"I think" and "I find it" phrases.  You concisely stated your view,
and then quite explicitly stated that it was just your opinion in the
hopes of reducing the number of flames on a clearly inflammable topic.

Do you know what would happen to the net if everyone posted this way?
(20 pts. to whoever inserts the appropriate Willy Wonka quote here!) :)

>	I just had to get that off my chest. This is just one person's opinion,
>please don't start flaming me. I just wanted to see if anyone else
>shares my feelings.

I'm sure there are people who share your feelings (although I am not one).

							Matthew
From: creeper@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wolfgang Kies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Grimjack Fans
Keywords: Marvel
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:36:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <78715@ut-emx.uucp> cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>
>I like this quote. I think I'm going to use it somewhere in a horror RPG I'm
>going to be running...... Who's Wolfgang Kies?

Actually. Wolfgang Kies is a handle that I use that is borrowed from these
really cool Shadowrun stories that appeared in GDW magazine. With art by
Timothy Bradstreet. I got the quote from a friends comic book. The Book was
called Dark Angel. This is the same guy that wrote the Dahmer bio. Hart D.
Fisher. So unless he got it from some where that's where it came from.

*************************************************************************
|The amount of blood contained in the human body continues to startle me|
|I doubt if I'll get used to it, the way it seems to stick to your skin |
|trying to get back inside another body.                                |
|                             --Wolfgang Kies--                         |
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: The return of the D'bari (was Re: Marvel's untouchable corpses...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:20:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.214723.11197@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>In article <Bu0rsr.9LA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:
>> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>> 
>> >     Dave Van Domelen, hey, they even brought the D'bari back
>> 
>> 	Huh???  You're kidding right?  If this is true then I swear off all
>
>It's true.  From what I've heard John Byrne had a planet full of Asparagus
>People in a recent issue of SHE-HULK.

Yeah.  The issue before, somebody says that Razorback and Taryn have been
captured "by...the Asparagus People!"  to which Shulkie replies, "Claremont's
gonna blow his stack when he hears about this..." or words to that effect.

Since the story's being done for comic relief, I don't much mind it.   

The Walrus
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Captain America, shield-slinger
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:06:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA


Ref the trouble John Walker had learning to shield-sling.  How did Steve
Rogers learn?


--
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
From: alejandr@aludra.usc.edu (Ruiz Alejandro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: What's with "The Human Target" (Hey, DC readers!)?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 01:54:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Back in the 70's Cris Chance also personified Bruce Wayne