HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Southern Pride - Is this Atlanta?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:22:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.172240.23566
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <63371@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mb33@prism.gatech.edu (Martin H. Brooks) writes:
> 
> An aside stemming from the discussion about Pride in Asheville,
> North Carolina:
> 
> IUve lived here in Atlanta for almost 10 years, and it seems that
> Atlanta has more North Carolina queers than North Carolina does. 
> ItUs always been sort of a whimsical curiosity to me and most of my
> friends.  I understand that Atlanta is, and has been, the gay mecca
> for most of this region and thus tends to attract people from all
> over; however, it always seems that a disproportionately high
> number of these people come from NC.  I donUt know if thereUs
> something in the water or what, but NC seems to crank out more
> queers than anyplace else I know.  Go figure...  :-)
>

It always seemed to me, when I lived in Atlanta, that gay folk were more
likely to be Southern than straight folk.  You have to remember that 
Atlantans are mostly transplants.  The straight folks always seem to
be from "up North" (New York, Massachusetts, Michigan, California*, etc.),
whereas the gay folks would be from Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina,
South Carolina, or Tennessee.  I suppose Southern queers have more of
an incentive to move to Atlanta than other Southerners, and queers in other
parts of the country, if they move, move to another gay mecca.
  
Anyhow, just my thoughts.
 
*yes, to a true Southerner, California is Yankee territory.
 
[] Urso
   Atlantan for 25 years, Bostonian for 6 months
   Southerner for 25 years and 6 months 

-- 
[] Stephen Chappell (a.k.a. "Urso")
[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA 
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: rbuchanan@vitalink.com (Rick Buchanan)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: rbuchanan@vitalink.com (Rick Buchanan)
Organization: Vitalink Communications Corp.  (Standard disclaimer of course)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:13:21 GMT

In article <nlsm19o@zola.esd.sgi.com>, portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael 
Portuesi) writes:

> Which reminds me of the dinner I had with my friend Robert
> last week, who told me about a friend of his who was
> attacked by a dozen heterosexual males between 16 and
> 25 (in this case, with a keg of beer in the back of the
> truck) and brutally beaten for being gay.  This person
> spent the better part of a day in surgery, while the
> doctors attempted to stitch together and rejoin his
> internal organs.
> 
> Maybe if you lived in a situation where brutal beatings
> were a reality for not only you but also your friends, you
> might have at least some small basis for understanding
> the points Jeff is trying to make in this discussion.

I used to live in an area where brutal beatings were a reality
for me and my friends.  I was beaten and robbed twice.  One of
my friends, four times.

Does this not give me "...some small basis for understanding..."?

In all of those cases, the attackers were black males between
16 and 25.

Does this mean that I would be justified if I feared blacks?  Is it
now okay for me to distrust them?  To hate them?  To discriminate
against them?   Am I entitled to have the government _force_ Louis
Farakhan to admit me to his meetings because of this?   

No, of course not.

Those were _individuals_ who kicked me in the face and damn near
choked me to death.   They were not there representing their race.
For me to generalize about large numbers of other individuals based
on the actions of a few criminals is morally repugnant.

And it's just as repugnant when Jeff does it.

   ---   Rick
**    Annoy an eco-fascist -- tell him that the greenhouse   **
**  gasses are escaping through the  hole in the ozone layer **        ***
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: n2473@cray.com (Robert Bernard)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:41:10 CDT

In article <1992Jul28.180008.25504@wam.umd.edu> aasos@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Dimensional X) writes:
>An article from "WAKE uP QUEERS OR WE'RE ALL THROUGh" leaflet passed out a NYC  
>Gay Pride. Published by Anonymous Queers June 1992.
>----

The lifestyle described here applies in no way whatsoever to me, my lover, 
or a single one of my gay friends.  And on behalf of all of us, I 
repudiate this bullshit.  

BB
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Rational" Humans vs ?? (was Re: On Banning Private Discrimination)
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:52:24 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Jul23.013426.28808@gordian.com>
mike@gordian.com (Michael A.  Thomas) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.004030.3574@macc.wisc.edu>,
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>You're wasting our time.  Come back when you actually *have*
>>an argument.

>Is that a royal _our_? 

Rhetorical "we."  But of course, that wouldn't occur to you.
Instead you see it in terms ...

>It's nice to see that you speak for the
>rest of soc.motss. When was the coronation?

...  that are as primitve as your understanding of human
beings, as poorly informed as your philosophy, and as
unworkable as your politics.  But I'm sure we're on the same
side in most things, more important than any of this.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Private Discrimination
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:13:46 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <11433@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <2532@nlsun1.oracle.nl>, jdurbin@nl.oracle.com (Jason Durbin) writes:
}} I need some clarification of T. Archer's position and of the Libertarian
}} position on anti-discrimination laws.
}} 
}} Aren't such laws society's way of saying that this type of behavior
}} is something up with which it will not put? The so-called
}} representatives of society decide that, to the best of their 
}} knowledge, most members of the society do not condone this
}} behavior and therefore provide sanctions to discourage it?

}Yes.  Now substitute the word "sodomy" for "antidiscrimination."
}Does still sound so attractive?  If you aren't prepared to leave
}other people alone, you are in no position to insist on your
}right to be left alone.

That is a typically dumb analogy. Sodomy is consensual. Discrimination
is not. Why don't you think before you type? Unless, of course, you
have something nice to convey, though I suspect that is beyond your
mental capacity.



-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAAA
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:00:18 GMT
Reply-To: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

In article <1992Jul29.161805.23124@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>In article <92210.131642IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>my opinion of the "plight" of straight people who are not
>>wanted at NAGAAA functions?  sucks to be them, doesn't it...
>>little enough gayspace in the world as it is...
>
>Glad to know someone else undestands that we can nondiscriminate our
>way right out of having any safe gayspace at all.
Terrance -

   Your words gave me cause to pause.  I must consider
the idea that we (queers) genuinely need "safe gayspace."  This
is a very valid point.

   For me, I don't necessarily equate "safe gayspace" as "devoid
of straights."  I welcome the company of my gay-positive straight
friends, and welcome their participation in whatever gay community
events they choose.  At the same time, I strongly dislike the
concept that a 'phobe could come out of the woodwork and join
in a, for example, NAGAAA event.  Worse yet, a big group of 'phobes.
I would feel violated, frustrated, hurt, and very angry.

   Let's consider motivations.  What would motivate a racist to
join the NAACP?  To disrupt the meetings?  Possibly.  To fuel the
fire of hatred?  Perhaps.

   That presents a question.  How often does this happen?  In DC,
where we can't discriminate based on sexual orientation, I've
neither encountered nor heard of any instances where 'phobes 
attempted to encroach upon accepted gayspaces.  They don't come 
and try to disrupt any of our many queer group meetings.

   I strongly support any organization which includes as one of
its goals a preservation of safe (gay/black/whatever)space.  The
key here is that the organizations should bar access to individuals
based upon their behaviour rather than their (sexual orientation/
race/whatever).

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             John P. Stine  (stine@stars.reston.unisys.com)

   The opinions expressed here certainly don't represent those of my
   employer...but I'm working on it.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Ok, my thoughts about the con (was Re: Well, God Damn It!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:29:53 GMT

In article <63100@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> Of course, it was the absolute *last* thing that should have been
> done to challenge me to drop my pants.

I don't know why you say that. It had the desired effect, didn't it?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: those problem hets
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:12:11 GMT

Well, I didn't want to just throw out a blanket saying they all
empathized when some have doubts that they all succeed. I don't think
many doubt Mara at all, though. Heck, she seemed hip enough to me...

John, wondering if he was stepping out of the boundaries of taste in
introducing himself to Mz. Mara while buck naked, or if *she* was
being tasteless in keeping her clothes on in the midst of a bunch of
mostly-naked people.

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:22:31 GMT

In article <nkj8qls@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.202834.16597@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>
>>This has nothing to do with race, gender, sexuality.  It is becoming rather
>>typical that this particular group is blamed for anything bad that
>>was/is/will-be.
>
>It is rather typical that the group in power is blamed for exploiting
>groups who are not in power.

A group is not in power.  Individuals are in power.  It is rather typical
that people who feel persecuted need a scapegoat so they can rally around
the burning effigy of that scapegoat.  Have you heard of 'white heteros on
bikes' or maybe 'the national assocation of white heterosexual males'?
No, because there is no such arrangement.  It is you who are assigning
some characteristic to white heterosexual males.

The only accurate thing you can say about white heterosexual males is
exactly that, they are white, heterosexual and male.

You are, it seems, exempt from any criticism when you proliferate stereotypes.
It I generate stereotypes about FWA's, will you care?
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: alt.wanted.moslem.gay
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:15:13 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <5dpm=!l.noring@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>Many of you may already know this, but a new newsgroup has been created
>called 'alt.wanted.moslem.gay'.  Already the more 'fundamentalist' of Moslems
>are asking for this group to be pulled or canceled.  It's a very blatant
>form of net.censorship which should be stopped.

Mick, are you listening? :-)

I was planning to scan in a few of my favorite "Tales from the
Arabian Nights" and watch the fur (literally) fly.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32598 rec.arts.tv:15396 talk.politics.misc:36076 rec.arts.tv.uk:4512 alt.individualism:4616 rec.arts.tv.soaps:26621 alt.activism:13530
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,talk.politics.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk,alt.individualism,rec.arts.tv.soaps,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Date: 26 Jul 1992 18:35:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <2A733D51.5586@noiro.acs.uci.edu> 
cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) blathers about
something that I decided to delete.

Drop dead, asshole.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: homophobes sabotaging motss (was Re: There was this sign in the window...)
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:05:33 GMT

Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
 
> ....  In light of the recent invasions,
> I've adopted policiy of hitting n on all cross-posted
> aricles, irrespective of topic, author, or newsgroups
> involved.  That means about 80% of the content of soc.motss
> for the past couple weeks.

During the height of the I-post-everything-here wars,
I kept statistics on motss articles, in several
categories.  [Oh, c'mon, I *am* a scientist, at least
sometimes.]  That seemed a period of particularly
bad pollution of our pure spring waters.

Of the 683 articles posted between 0634 [GMT] 15 June 
and 2326 [GMT] 20 June, 26% were cross-posted.

[By *my* reckoning, only 12.7% of the total motss volume
 was devoid of discernable motss relevance; the rest of
 the results are as yet unpublished.]

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 05:32:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul30.223429.19006@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.213905.22437@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>> [i omit the box and voicemail numbers.  if you really want this
>> guy, you'll have to find your own copy of _columbus alive_.]
>
>Or the Ithaca Times - the identical ad appeared here, too.

Maybe it's the same person, who commutes.  Or maybe it's coded messages
from some secret organization.  Perhaps the anti-pods (antipodes?) are
organizing an attack.  On guard, cabal!

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I LOVE HATERS
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:57:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul29.225708.3737
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

One of these days I'm going to get tired of writing "thank you, Jojo".

Jojo's post expressed a nagging feeling I couldn't quite figure out
after reading I HATE GAY MEN.

That manifesto was anti-sex, anti-fun, full of misdirected animosity.
A perversion of the original uplifting "I Hate Straights" message that
was responsible for a lot of my own queer sensibility.

Nelson, whose posts are becoming less and less coherent.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                  Where do you conceal the gun in a bikini?
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32624 rec.arts.tv:15421 rec.arts.tv.uk:4524 soc.bi:9590
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:48:10 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

> Um; not sure if it really counts as a TV program or not, but there's reputedly
>a gay character on _Eldorado_, the new soap that the Beeb are foisting upon us
>three times a week. I've not seen him; I watched the first episode, and that

Foisting upon *you*??  Foisting upon *us*, surely; you get the Beeb in
the states???

Sara, puzzled ...
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Unitarian Universalists vote pro-LGB
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:36:42 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul23.140935.19892@bradley.bradley.edu>,
    larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton) writes:
> In <92204.161849IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ailsa N.T. Murphy
    <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>yay!  granted, this is my church, and i wouldn't ever have considered
>>beig a member if they DIDN'T have this attitude, but it is great to
>>hear it nonetheless...  now if only THOSE OTHERS would get a clue...
>>                                     -ailsa
> 
>    There are quite a few of us UUs about.  Gee, I wonder why?  =) 

Maybe because we Unitarian-Universalists are onto something.
A liberal non-creed oriented religion that affirms the
inherent worth and dignity of every human being.

I'm not proselytizing, of course....  ;-)

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:25:31 GMT

In article <nlms44s@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>As a gay man who did most of his sexual development in michigan,

AH, THAT explains all the chrome and the elaborate detailing... :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sex with gay and bi men (part 3)
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:08:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul30.230834.7994
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul30.154318.13663@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>so where are gabe and biff now?  they're gone, and there are *thousands*
>of different guys in their place.  no way to look at them and figure
>what making love to them will be like.  you'll just have to find out.

Well, Arnold has managed to defuse my objections to the previous two
gay and bi men messages. (not to mention doing other things to my
emotional states which I will not relate in public.) This message
seems to balance the stereotypes earlier presented.

But I still do not understand why the Gabe/Biff stereotypes are made
at all. Does anyone think they have validity? I've honestly never
heard them used before Jojo and Arnold mentioned them. In fact, my own
experience would cause me to form a "bi men fuck hard, gay men soft
sensitive" stereotype, the opposite of what was originally proposed.

Nelson, failing reading comprehension.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                   There is absolutely no other possibility
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:51:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
Usenet.  This service is open to ALL sexual preferences.  
Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an interest so far.  
If you would like to see the fourth draft of my questionnaire so we 
can alter it to also fit women's needs as well as men's, either send 
me mail or look at the copy I posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 161 men and 111 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming has begun.
 
                                                           Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: ERIC HUNT POSTS TO SOC.MOTSS! :)
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:36:16 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

ummm.  hmmm, so, eric, who are you? :-)
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Punishments
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:55:18 GMT

In article <castigare@vadier.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>>>Perhaps Grandmama will punish me for my lapse.)
>>Get in line!  So many wicked children, so little time.
>>Grandmama
>
>Well if rumour is to believed Grandmama's own alter ego ought to be one
>of the first to be punished.  Seducing innocent young boys and forcing
>them to perform Unnatural Acts at the Con, by all accounts.  Shameful.

Oh, I don't know, they seemed rather natural to me.....



.con.photo :


Grandma K, strutting across the trolley tracks like a saucey goose with 
a horde of eager goslings in tow. 



Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Gayspace (was Re: Do You Remember... and Re: On Banning Private Discrimination)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 04:39:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bs4A43.Mrn@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> 
dooley@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Lois-Anna Dooley) writes:
>
>Enough, boys.  If you're going to fight, please take it outside.
>(Outside of rec.arts.tv.soaps, that is.)

I notice that *you* didn't take rec.arts.tv.soaps out of the distribution.
Why not? 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gaynet, Mailing Lists, etc. (Was: Re: Phobe Alert: America)
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA


Regarding the suggestion that males could join the sappho
mailing list under false pretenses...

We sapphites do not want men to subscribe to the list.  There are
a lot of reasons for it, most of which have been kicked around
here on soc.motss in relation to other, similar topics.  I won't
cover them again, except to say that woman-only space is as hard
to find as gay-only space; please respect the space we have made
for ourselves.

Michelle Elliott
Newsgroups: soc.motss