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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: superman
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:01:00 +0000


You're right, I'm sure, Superman isn't dead. It's fashionable in 
comics to rework teh invincible and therefore (hmmm) omni-solvens 
(solving all problems - I wish that was a real word) hero to 
something more flawed and human just as has been done in many other 
genres. The rise of the anti-hero. To that extent, what Superman 
originally stood for may be dead. But the Superman character I'm sure 
will be back. I *keep* hearing and seeing stories where Batman dies - 
this guy seems to vacation in a coffin! - but he's always back at the 
end.
By the way - Mary rubs her nose shyly - I *think Superman is Marvel 
and Action comics ratehr than the Beast of 5th Avenue (oh, they 
moved, I know but 666 5th Avenue is a *neat* address!)
I gues we need all those sorts of heroes - the clean men, the tired 
and skirting round the law heroes, the by-the-book and bare knuckle 
fighting heroes, the dying for love of people or planet or lving on 
to fight alone heroes...... they're all a comfort and inspiration to 
me...
She hefts her glass - "to the images, still and moving, that move us 
all! See you next year Superman"
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| Ommmmmm, said the lift                    |maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk |
| Organisation: Me? You're joking, right?   |maryb@cix.compulink.uucp  |
|I know I type "teh" for "the" My fingers have their own accent ;-)    |
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: No subject 
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:02:58 GMT


Right on Mary!

<<CRASH!!>>

Hug?

Splash!

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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Another introduction...
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:45:59 GMT

  The first SF I ever read was 'Tom Swift Junior and his Space Station'
and 'Pebbles in the Sky.' At age 6. Jim as himself.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:56:51 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing

In article <1992Nov17.021617.14308@data-io.com> li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:

>Grin... maybe I should start screaming?  Nah... too tiring.  You're right,
>just because we're *not* annoying doesn't mean we don't exist. *Most* of
>the Christians I know, work with, talk with and believe with are like me.

 [deletions for space]

>there are many Christians who are as open minded as I am who don't study
>the Bible the way that I do and who do not take it as seriously.  But it's
>the only way I've found to 'defend' myself against those Christians who,
>the minute they hear that I'm 'Christian' think that I should think
>exactly as they do.

  [more great stuff, deleted to save space]

>I am no literalist.

>I am no faith nut, nor do I shove my faith down other people's throats
>unless they start in (sigh... I guess it's related to me only taking on
>the huge, hairy guys that say they want to hammer someone) on trashing
>*my* beliefs.  I do that mostly in private, too.  But, as someone pointed
>out on another group, "Intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance."
>So, usually, I just live and let live.  Which means that I'm quieter than
>the others.

/* has been listening attentively to he discussions going on
around him.  Admittedly, some of these get a little heavy, and
it's been a while he's been in a philosophy class.  But his
amethyst eyes start glowing when he hears from Liralen Li.

"Liralen Li, the more I hear from you, the more impressed I am.
Sure, you may be quiet in some ways, but I think it is your actions
that speak volumes - and they speak *loudly* and clearly."

"Although I left the Catholic Church, one of the things that
remains with me is a hymn we sang a lot at Mass - the main line
was 'They will know we are Christians by our love' - which always
meant to me the way we act towards other people.  And I should
say that *I* always think of love as an unconditional emotion - 
any love with strings attached is not quite love in my book.  So
when I *was* a Christian, I tried to make sure that I was loving
without requiring people to agree with me, or without any other
ulterior motives.  I was not always successful (!), but I did try.
But it seems to me that you, Liralen Li, are embodying that
principle wonderfully."

/* smiles a purple smile, and then hears Linda in the background
wanting a dance.  "Hi Linda!  I'm not the greatest dancer in the
world, but I'm game if you are!"




-- 
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Mike Holmes       mjmh@crsa.bu.edu           "Happiness Will Prevail!"
Boston University Department of Geography (a truly GREAT place to work!)
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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: Invisible Feathers
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:47:00 +0000


Anybody notice an echo in here? I've just noticed my Off-Line Reader 
that I use for compulink and as a link to usenet has posted some of 
my conmments to conferences three times. Hope I haven't been shouting 
like that in here. It's not my fault - technology made me do it ;-)
seriously - apologies if my messages have come through several times
mary looks rather sheepish

mary
apprentice potter
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| Ommmmmm said the lift                     |maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk |
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: No subject
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:06:58 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

mary writes:
>Ignatz? I owe you a real drink too - what do you drink when you're 
>not driving? Kitten? Jim Linda and Robbie? Gypsy Woman? hmmm - that's 
>almost enough for pizza!

   "I'll have a glass of ice tea, Mike, no sugar, " DJ.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:02:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: degas.wag.caltech.edu

P'relan writes:
>Michael S. Schiffer writes:
>> 	"Granted, science cannot operate in a world which is not
>> uniformly lawful a large majority of the time.  But the existence of a
>> being or beings with the power to violate those laws does not
>> invalidate science (though it might circumscribe its scope) so long as
>> that power is not used to violate laws too often.

>No, even one violation of the physical laws invalidates science.  Extremely
>limited intervention does not prevent science from being *useful* though it
>remove any chance of it being correct which may be what you meant by not
>invalidating science.

Hmmm.  Depends.  Maybe you can expand science to cover the violations.  In
other words, if the rules as known are being violated, start studying when
the violations occur.  Then classify them, and start theorizing how such
violations could occur.

The only reason we can't study the rules outside the universe ('outside the
pinball machine') is lack of access to this outside.  By studying the actions
of a being outside the machine, could we get some idea of the being's nature
and thus the nature of the outside?

The next time Jesus Christ shows up, I say we draft him and send him to 
Caltech to be studied!    ;)
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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: Silly Sayings
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:39:00 +0000


exams?
Mary looks sympathetic. I remember those. Best of luck and come and 
have a hug when you're done

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| Ommmmmm, said the lift                    |maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk |
| Organisation: Me? You're joking, right?   |maryb@cix.compulink.uucp  |
|I know I type "teh" for "the" My fingers have their own accent ;-)    |
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From: rich@troll1.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
Subject: Re: An Introduction
Reply-To: rich@troll1.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:58:19 GMT

In article 2355@zia.aoc.nrao.edu, dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.220000.8756@data-io.com>
>  li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
>
>Dan'l leans over Liralen's post with a blue markup pencil in his hand,
>and adds
>
>and class.
>         ^ and a social Scurve
>
>-- 
>| Daniel Briggs  (dbriggs@nrao.edu)                      |  USPA B-14993
>| New Mexico Tech / National Radio Astronomy Observatory |      DoD #387
>| P.O. Box O / Socorro, NM 87801   (505) 835-7391        | 
>Support the League for Programming Freedom   (info from lpf@uunet.uu.net)



Oh Oh Oh -- looks like there are more Caltechers lurking out there!

Now the blood may begin to be splashed about a bit.

(In case some of you don't realize what is going on--the Caltech residence
houses for undergrads are independently run/organized/socialized by the
inmates therof.  Many strange stunts and pranks are a result of the polite
(in a pig's eye) rivalries between the houses. (During wartime, these
are referred to as 'atrocities').  The Troll has heard stories---done the
research, and has been there--as in full size 79 GMC van neatly parked
on the sidewalk in the center of campus (several times).  Based on that,
the Troll is heading for the cellar on this one---

--troll

BTW--I'm innocent--I just send my kid and my spare money there!

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From: pechever@phakt.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The Difference Injure, II
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:39:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <tb110dg@rpi.edu] youngj4@vccnw14.its.rpi.edu (Jeffrey 'Taldin' Young) writes:
[Taldin, talking about a problem I'm all too familiar with]

Impu-Sebek walks up to Taldin, places a pentacle on a chain around Taldin's
neck, and gives him a long hug.  The silver gleams so brightly it seems
otherworldly.  As he disengages, people in the Place see wetness on his cheeks.
He walks back to the bar, and sits down, closing his eyes and hunching over.
The slimmest mental contact brushes against Taldin's mind:
	<been there. be strong. blessings.>
The Wordster, acknowledging that sometimes words fail miserably at their job.
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Poor by act of Congress | from: pechever@scf.usc.edu |no mind."--Cynthia Heimel
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From: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Subject: Re: Where does the time go?
Reply-To: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:27:33 GMT

     I, for one, would love the chance to meet DM in person.

     I'm hopeful that my work/life situation will be stable by then, but I
don't know quite what form it will take -- so it's a bit hard to offer concrete
enticements this far in advance.
     I'm signing up for an astronomy class with my wife at the local college.
It will be fun to find out what's new since I was in University....  And the
professor is a gentleman named Fraknoi, who I'm told has some connection to
NASA's SETI project, something I wouldn't mind knowing a lot more about.
                                      Mentor the Sage

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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:12:56 GMT

>When
>they start claiming the stuff to which a large number of Christians only pay lip
>service as one of the accomplishments of Christianity, I won't let that pass
>unchallenged, especially when there are many non-Christians who actually DO
>what so many Christians only talk about.

      I agree with you. This pattern of reality is one of the reasons I
  no longer think of myself as a Christian, that and the prejudices shown
  by most Christians.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd. 
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From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: UK Realspace
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:42:08 GMT

In article <keulen.722226913@possum> keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen) writes:
>pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov20.002932.11086@ucc.su.OZ.AU> mar@physics.su.OZ.AU
>(David Mar) writes: 
>
>>>Uh-oh. Danger Mouse is curious now.
>
>>"I hear that curiousity killed the cat, I wonder what it would do
>>to a mouse?"
>
>Let me see if I've got this right ... curiosity kills cats, and makes mice
>dangerous (Ouch!  Was that DM's or mine?).  Now what does it do to
>Nightstalkers?  (Or curious marine biologists, for that matter?)
>
"Good question, I think that it makes me get rather worked up actually."


--

Mick Pope,                                          I      "On Christ the
Sir Frank Packer Dept of Theoretical Physics,   ----+----   solid rock I
School of Physics, University of Sydney,            I       stand, all other
Sydney, Australia, 2006.  (02) 692 3241             I       ground is sinking
                                                    I       sand." - C. Wesley
                                                    I 

And the comment for today is:  

          
"There is a fine line between clever and stupid."  -  Spinal Tap
From: steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:31:31 GMT
Organization: RICOH California Research Center

"The problem with the Catholics and birth control," says the
Mandelbear, "is that they don't confine their idea of sin to
Catholics.  They work hard to make birth control (including condoms
and RU-486), abortion, pornography, sex education, and other things
they consider sinful unavailable even to people who don't subscribe to
their religion.

"This behavior is not confined to Catholics, of course, or even to
Christians.  It seems to be a general symptom of any person or group
that believes they have a corner on THE TRUTH."
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: comment about fruit cake Re: Jason rambles from home
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:00:10 GMT

[ some deletetions for bandwidth...]

JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason)) writes:
>"Pegasus is getting ready to get a fruitcake drunk again. She's pouring
>brandy onto one she's been working patiently on for 7 years or so. This
>year we get to try it for Chtristmas. Maybe it gets to try us? :-) My
>mormon sister will be mortified. But if it comes out good the rest of us
>will scarf it down. Pegasus says 'it will either be marvelous or taste like
>hell'. You never know with an aged cake until you get brave enough to serve
>it."
>Jason

   "Johnny Carson always said this time of year was when people took the
fruitcake that they received last year gets re-wrapped and sent to someone
else... 'There is only one fruit cake, we just send slices of it, uneaten,
to our realtives and friends. Then the following year we send out the slices
that somebody sent us !' A paraphrase, but fairly close I believe..." DJ.

     "Oh Mike, before I forget again, here's a payment on Phoenix's tab here
  as I said I would pay it, " DJ.

   DJ places some ones in the cigar box.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
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From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: UK Realspace
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.002932.11086@ucc.su.OZ.AU> mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar) writes:
>> [Rhodri (Windsinger) announces a UK RealSpace for the Wolf's visit]
>
>Uh-oh. Danger Mouse is curious now.
>
>"I just had a thought. I (and a few other Aus Callahanians) have met the
>Wolf in RL. And now he's meeting Rhodri and a bunch of UK Callahanians.
>I've also met shadowshine, who has met Castellan, who has met...
>
>"Get the picture? I'm wondering just how far chains of mutually RL-met
>Callahanians go. I envisage a big chart, showing all the links, from
>which one could read off the various connections. Like a graph network
>in computer science theory.
>
>"Hmmm... is anyone willing to compile the information? And yes, I
>realise the difficulty and impracticality of it all. I'm just really
>curious. And I'm dangerous when I'm curious. <evil grin>"
>
"I hear that curiousity killed the cat, I wonder what it would do
to a mouse?"

--

Mick Pope,                                          I      "On Christ the
Sir Frank Packer Dept of Theoretical Physics,   ----+----   solid rock I
School of Physics, University of Sydney,            I       stand, all other
Sydney, Australia, 2006.  (02) 692 3241             I       ground is sinking
                                                    I       sand." - C. Wesley
                                                    I 

And the comment for today is:  

          
 As JFK once said: "I am a chocolate covered doughnut."
From: s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher Francis Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: FOOD FIGHT !!!! (Re: Subject change: politics)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 06:48:20 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

>The proceding were not the opinons of the CIA, NSA or FBI,
>but they seemed highly interested in them.

I wonder why?


-- 
ThunderKat (a.k.a. Chris Anderson)    s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

"Sam pressed the button. A few lights flashed on the CPU. And another human
life ended. Somehow, it's always sad, no matter what."
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:12:41 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Physics

In article <1992Nov13.004133.12779@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:
> "Did I offend Stm yet again?  Pardon me for simply exercising freedom of
> speech.  As it is, I didn't know because since my last flaming at his hands,
> I simply do not read his posts."

And if this last paragraph isn't an attack at STM, what is?  Sure, there are
poeple who's posts I don't read, but I don't post a list of them because it
would be offensive.  And I don't recall STM saying that you shouldn't have
the right to post.  He complained about your post and you complained about his
- are you trying to violate his freedom of speech by your standards?
 
> "I have had constructive comments from some, complements from others.  As
> for flames (accent on) Go Ahead Make My Day (accent off).  To freedom of
> speech."

And you act as if you've done nothing to get yourself flamed...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 P'relan (and Birith)      	   ``Time stand still -
 jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu      I'm not looking back -
  or jwwalden@miavx1.bitnet	     But I want to look around me now.'' - RUSH
From: rich@troll1.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Mailer Maliase (sic)
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:39:17 GMT
Reply-To: rich@troll1.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services

In article 1ee25pINNm61@gap.caltech.edu, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.171352.27616@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, 

>Meanwhile, your system disavows any knowledge of you:
>    Rcvd: 550 <rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov>... User unknown
>Since theophilus is up and running, you really ought to have a talk with the
>system manager.  Sounds like maybe some sort of database got corrupted.

Da troll (hopefully) responds, "I would hope theophilus disavows all knowledge
of the troll--that AIN'T where I live.  That address is an artifact left over
in the newsreader that I am using (no source to fix it) and I have to remember
to edit the headers in my posts--that's why the address in the .SIG"

As our local system wizzies (we have no administrator as such) are so
clever and closely coupled (mea culpa also) the other problem is that our 
mail server gets philosophical occasionally and screws up all our mail.  We
just discovered the problem (again) today and (?) fixed it (we think).

BTW, does anyone know where I can find the source for "xvnews" for a SUN
workstation.  I feel the urge for some hacking (with a long, sharp axe).

Other news--Troll is traveling starting 25 November.  I will be in LA
by noon, home 3 hours later.  We are (Yeah, arrggh) finally moving out
of the desert to Huntsville.  I am going to drive over 2,000 miles cross-country
in our van, with the Dragon Lady and the youngest, plus the dawg.  Her car
gets a free ride towed behind.  I would suggest that most Calahanners avoid
I-40 for the next two weeks or so--the troll will be on the road (gasp).

Enough of this--here's to the trip, the DL, and the rest of the mob-

<crash>

--troll


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