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From: markl@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de (Albert Markl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Monitor on/off
Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:49:29 GMT
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: ifr8.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de


We have about 15 NeXT at our institute. For the nightly backups
and to keep NFS happy they're running continously (well, 
almost... :-). Unfortunately the monitors are running too. This is a 
waste of energy and probably shortens the life of the HW.

Is there a possibility to switch them off? In fact there is a pin 
called (MON) PWR SWITCH (6 for Monochrome, 2 for Color station plugs), 
but I could not get any info about using it.

So, is there anyone out there who knows a bit about this thing?
Or is there even a screen saver that earns its name?

Please e-mail any answers to me directly since I didn't subscribe
to this news-group, I will post a summary.

Thanks in advance

Al

Markl@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de               NeXT Mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: gtoews@sirius.UVic.CA (Greg Toews)
Subject: HP DeskJet PORTABLE
Organization: University of Victoria
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:31:49 GMT


Has anyone tried the new HP Deskjet Portable?  Will it work with the
djf driver for the HP 500?  Is the output quality the same?  Are there
any significant differences between the two?

I've only seen advertisements.  It looks like a nice small printer, plus
its black...

Also, if I wanted to test out an HP deskjet, I would need a printer file
on disk to take to the store.  (Normally I take a postscript file to
school and copy it to a laser printer there)  Obviously, a postscript file
on disk will not help.  Will the save button on the print panel save an
HP format file if the djf driver is installed and selected?  If not, how
do I do this?

Thanks
From: dan@mossy.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Johnston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: modem and cd
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:43:57 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ca1.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

I am looking to buy a zyxel modem and a cd rom drive for my  
next turbo.  Would anyone who has purchased any of these  
recently give me advice as to where I can get the best  
prices?

thanks,
From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Stedi-LANding
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:27:13 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: University of Durham

I'm in the market for a UPS and just read the .announce post regarding this product, but
mailing to the address mentioned gave me a unknown mailer error (?).  Does anyone know if
this product will be usable in the United Kingdom on our power system, and if not, when it
might be?  

Any assistance appreciated.
Scott

-- 
EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk   OR   scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail)
SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE
SUN Computers:  "Nice chips, shame about her OS"
"If a virtual tree falls in a virtual forest, does it make a virtual sound?"
From: mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:34:38 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes:
>As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I  
>have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system  
>will cost.  I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good  
>prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list
>of the best prices.
>
>My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows:
>	33Mhz. 486DX
>	16 MB RAM
>	500 MB HD
>	accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed
>				    to achieve 16 bit color)
>	17" color display
>

	Well, how about the current Gateway Systems :

		486DX2-66
		256k cache
		16 megs ram  (additional $320 or so)
		2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400)
		ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM)
		17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700)
		both floppies
		mouse, windows, etc.
		------------------------
		$4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118)
		$  95 shipping (natch)

	This is a system I'm thinking about getting now, and I sure hope
it will be able to run NeXTstep in the coming year.  Oh yeah, add $500 for
NextStep 486.

-=Simms=-
From: mariusk@Lise.Unit.NO (Marius Kjeldahl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Regarding NS486
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:05:16 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Well, I've got a system the ones described, but I am not able
to get any info at all (eg. betatest or final release). I've
requested betatester info to a mail address that was posted
by NeXT, but I have not gotten any reply.

Has anybody got some info, or sources where I can get such
information?

Marius
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From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:30:41 GMT

schwarz@nucleus.ps.uci.edu (Randy Schwarz) writes:
: In article <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu>, jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes:
: |> Hi,
: |> 
: |> I've just got back for several weeks away to find that my NeXT had lost about 5
: |> minutes, mesurements since sugest its loosing about 10 to 15 seconds a day, is
: |> this normal...do other people have this problem? 
: 
: My Next does the same. I never have measured the error in the clock, but it 
: just slow enough to anoy me. I must reset it every few weeks.
: I'm running NS 2.1 also.
: 
: randy

Hmmm, mine works just fine.
040, 3.0, 16MB.  Runs like a clock (ahem ;-)

Regards,
-- 
--
Thor Legvold                 |    This is the strangest life
NorNeXT User Group leader    |    I've ever known...
University of Bergen         |         - Jim Morrison,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester)
Subject: Quantum PD1225S?
Reply-To: ph@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:29:40 GMT

OKOK, so I asked the net about the Toshiba MK538FB and got lots of great
responses. It was so fine, I gotta do it again.

This time, I'm looking at the Quantum P1225S drive. It's a 3-1/2" half
height 10ms 1.2gig drive. Sounds promising so far.

Anyone have experience with this disk? Please email and I will summarize.

Thanks!!

--
Patrick Hester   ph@pencom.com   (212) 513-7777   NeXT Mail OK   =8(\/\)
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From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch)
Subject: Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:22:41 GMT

In article <107969@bu.edu> ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault)
writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu>  
>nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
>>
>> The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT.  The new Sony
>> is so much better it's not even funny.  We previously refused
>> to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays
>> (Nanao T560i).  In the future we won't hesitate to order
>> the NeXT/Sony 17" display.
>> 
>
>  Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation
>Color with the Fimi 17" display??  Everyday I read in these
>newsgroups how:
>
>	a) the Fimi 17" display is a piece of ****.
>	b) 3.0 is so buggy that is shoudln't have been released.
>	c) All the NeXT machines running 3.0 are too slow unless
>          they have 32MB of memory.
>
> I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of 
>garbage, can I?  I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi
>17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. 
>

I don't personally subscribe to "get Sony's monitors at whatever the
cost" either. I have my second GDM-1936 'cause the first one had a defect.
Aren't the monochrome monitors made by Sony (it took a year or two to
get those right). The convergence at the screen edges for both has been 
less than stellar. Other experiences:

    Bought a Sony Walkman that died after 6 months. $60 repair bill.
    Bought a Sony A/V receiver that was so noisy that I couldn't hear
    low volume classical music passages over the hum. (Compared it to
    the showroom model upon return and it did the same).

So buy what you can afford. And don't pay 1 1/2 or 2 times as much for
something _just_ because it has Sony stamped on it. Do a reasonable
comparison for that particular product. We have Hitachi's monitors 
on our SGIs which I prefer over any Sony I've seen.

Michael McCulloch
Huntsville, AL
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From: rfg@swamp01.cacs.usl.edu (Raymond F. Gasser)
Subject: Re: My NeXTstation has gone mute...
Organization: The Center for Advanced Computer Studies
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:12:52 GMT


I had a similar problem with my NeXT (Color Turbo) going mute. I had started
to upgrade to NeXTstep 3.0 by using the installer floppy diskette included
with the upgrade package. Because of problems with my cd drive, I 
was unable to complete the upgrade. After this attempt at upgrading, my
NeXT would no longer produce any sounds; the mute button seemed stuck.

After further examination I realized that the floppy disk used for initial
upgrade procedure had installed the 3.0 Mach kernel. The 3.0 kernel does
not seem to be able to load the 2.1 sound driver. After later completing
the upgrade with a better cd drive, the problem has disapeared.

This might or might not be your problem.

Ray Gasser
rfg@swamp.cacs.usl.edu
Cajun Man
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From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu  (Avery Wang)
Subject: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:16:18 GMT

Hi-

I read that the Apple CD300 can read regular audio disks via the SCSI bus, but  
I was wondering if this mode is available if I used the CD300 on a  
non-Macintosh computer, such as a NeXT.  I would like to read sound tracks off  
a normal CD into my NeXT.  Does anyone have a clue as to whether or not this  
is possible?

Thanks,
-Avery

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From: keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: SIMM expansion questions
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:40:38 GMT



Hello,

I've decided to expand the memory in my cube.  
I ran the ROM monitor program and displayed the
memory configuration.  It said something like
SLOTS 0-3 have 4MB paged memory
SLOTS 4-7 have 4MB paged memory
SLOTS 8-11 have 0 memory
SLOTS 12-15 have 0 memory.

I have a couple questions regarding the addition
of SIMMS.

1) After reading the FAQ, I understand that SIMMs must
be added in sets of 4.

Does this mean a set of 4 identical capacity SIMMs?
Like can I add 2 1MB SIMMs and 2 4MB SIMMs to
make a set of four?  (My guess is NO, the must all
be of the same capacity.) 

2)  Can I buy a set of 4 4MB SIMMs and add them
to slots 8-11?  Or should I add them in slots
0-3 and move the 1MB SIMMS currently in those
slots to slots 8-11?  Does it matter??

3) Is the FAQ current with regard to vendors
selling the appropriate types of SIMMS that
work on the 68040 board??  Any other places to try??

Thanks,
Keith
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:05:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu  
>(Eric M Hermanson) writes:

>> Will someone please comment on the improved clarity (if
>> any) of the new Sony Trinitron Color monitors over the old
>> Fimi 17 inch monitors?  Is there THAT big of a difference to
>> warrant selling an old color system and buying a new one with
>> Trinitron monitor?

>The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT.  The new Sony
>is so much better it's not even funny.  We previously refused
>to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays
>(Nanao T560i).  In the future we won't hesitate to order
>the NeXT/Sony 17" display.

>> How does the new Trinitron compare to the existing 21 inch
>> monitors?

>I think it's better than the 21" display (hitachi?), but
>some people prefer the larger pixel size.  Note that the
>viewing area does not increase since NeXT doesn't seem to
>support 1280x1024 or larger displays, yet another curious
>hardware decision in NeXT's history. 

>--
>Nathan Janette
>PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

What he said; exactly.

David Basiji
UW Bioengineering
NeRD #3762
From: ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Bitch, Bitch, Btich (was Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors)
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:45:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu>  
nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
>
> The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT.  The new Sony
> is so much better it's not even funny.  We previously refused
> to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays
> (Nanao T560i).  In the future we won't hesitate to order
> the NeXT/Sony 17" display.
> 

  Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation
Color with the Fimi 17" display??  Everyday I read in these
newsgroups how:

	a) the Fimi 17" display is a piece of ****.
	b) 3.0 is so buggy that is shoudln't have been released.
	c) All the NeXT machines running 3.0 are too slow unless
          they have 32MB of memory.

 I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of 
garbage, can I?  I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi
17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. 

 I've had virtually no trouble with bugs in 3.0. Sure, people here 
have outlined ways to crash your machine (I've yet to find a machine
that couldn't be crashed) but I generally don't keep repeating events
that I know are going to crash my machine :-) In the 10 months since I've
had my machine (4 with 3.0 running), my machine has crashed about 4
times and that is through a lot of use.

 I have no problems with speed either. I think speed is a relative
thing but I think the people who are complaining that you can't run
3.0 without at least 20MB color and 16MB b+w are off base.  I'm writing
this message on a NeXTCube '040 with 8MB of memory and while I would 
classify it as slow, it is still *very* usable.

 So, if there is *anyone* out there who feels the same way as I do please
let me know!!  I find it really difficult to believe that all of these
recent postings (bitchings, whinings, NeXT death forcasters..) represent
as much of the NeXT community as they are representing in netnews traffic
(50%?).

  Mike Amirault
(these views are obviously my own...)
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Exception #2 on attempted boot
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:11:47 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu



A non-technical client across the country from me was using WordPerfect on
Saturday when his system froze (don't think we can blame WordPerfect on this
one :-)  He says that he couldn't get anything to respond including the power
key, so he pulled the plug.  He tried to boot and was thrown into the ROM
monitor with an "Exception #2" error message.  I tried to help him reboot by
having him manually enter various boot commands including booting from his 3.0
CD-ROM.  Immediately after entering any boot command, the "Exception #2" error
occurred.

I assumed he had a hardware problem.  He borrowed another NeXT and headed for
his demos in another state.  Upon returning today, he again tried to boot and
everything seems normal!  I still suspect a hardware problem, but knowing what
"Exception #2" means might be a big clue.

If anyone can shed any light on this, please let me know.
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                             Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515
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From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland)
Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB? Royce Howland?
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:44:31 GMT

ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) writes:

>I'm looking for more disk space and may have narrowed my choice down
>to the Toshiba MK538FB. This is a 1.2g 12ms 3-1/2" 1/2 height drive.
>Is anyone using this drive? what do you think of it? Do you boot
>from it? Did you have to do anything special to get it working? How
>did you build the disk?

>Royce Howland sent me email about this drive. I tried to reply
>several times, but it bounced every time. So Royce thanks for your
>response and I'd like to ask you (or anyone else) the questions listed
>above. Please write or call.

>Thanks much!!

Well, I haven't gone anywhere.  :~)

Yes, I'm using the drive mentioned.  I think it's a great buy for the
money.  It Just Works, nothing special required.

I use the drive externally as a boot drive now, although at first I
didn't boot from it since I was slowly and carefully (after hearing all
the net-borne screams of anguish regarding upgrading to NS3.0) transfering
the contents of my running NS2.1 system (formerly on a Fujitsu 660MB drive)
onto the Toshiba and NS3.0.

I built the disk several different ways leading up to my final choice,
since I wanted to experiment with all the possible tools under NS3.0,
not having been the one to configure the original Fujitsu drive under
NS2.0.  My final choice involved customizing /etc/disktab to define 5
partitions and then using a nifty little NeXT script /usr/etc/builddisk
to build the disk.

The builddisk script relies, however, on several other scripts
(/etc/BLD.*) and corresponding custom fstab files (/etc/fstab.*) which
NeXT did not include with the NS3.0 release.  So I had to grab those
from NS2.x.  A little tweaking, and presto!  A script that can build
virtually any configuration of drive that your heart desires.

I'm unsure why NeXT seems not to officially support /usr/etc/builddisk,
since it looks very flexible and complete.  I'm also not sure why they
recommend against using multiple partitions on big drives.  The first
time a corrupted filesystem walks a pattern of destruction across 1.2GB
(or more) worth of OS, programs, data, etc., you'll be sorry you didn't
partition things, even if you've got backups out the wazoo.  IMHO, anyway.

One question I've got for anybody else using the Toshiba, though, is why
the pair of I/O benchmark programs I've got claim the drive can write
faster than it can read.  This doesn't make sense to me...
-- 
Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp.   |  "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit
       Everything is IMHO          |   operating system, programs are easier
royce@splunge.uucp  (NeXTMail OK)  |   to write and run faster, too."
or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce    |  ad for OS/2 2.0
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Subject: SCSI Errors
From: vqueved@neptune.uucp (Victor Quevedo)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:48:46 PST
Distribution: comp.sys.next.hardware
Organization: CSLA


I have a NeXT Cube with a Hitachi drive.  

Recently I get the following when the NeXT slows down...

Target 2: BUSY: retry 1
Target 2: BUSY: retry 2
....
....
....
....
Target 2: BUSY: retry 16


Then I get.

sd0(1,0):scsi_timer:timeout op:0x28 sd_state:7 scsi status:0x0
sd1(2,0):ERROR op:0x0 sd_d sd_state:2 scsi status:0x0


Is there something wrong with my HD or with the controller on
my Cube?

-Victor Quevedo
vqueved@nextlab.calstatela.edu (NeXT Mail)
vqueved@neptune.calstatela.edu (NonNeXT Mail)
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From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:09:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.153310.21428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu  
(Michael McCulloch) writes:

> Oh yeah, the developer's edition according to the last official info I've
> seen is $2495 ($995 for runtime edition). We all hope NeXT is _just kidding_.
> If they price it that high, then it's gonna be _very_ hard to convince my 
> boss that we need (and can afford) NeXTSTEP.
> 
> NeXTSTEP 486 should be priced at $495 for the runtime edition, and $995 
> ($1495 absolute tops) for the developer's edition. Otherwise the market
> _will_ opt for NT (or SCO if they want UNIX) without a second look at 
> NeXTSTEP. You already have to have a loaded PC (memory, video, HD) to
> run it -- charging 995/2495 would be suicide.

Charging 995/2495 would hardly be suicide, it would be entirely in line
with the cost of competing unix systems for PCs.  However, one hopes that
NeXT will indeed lower the user version to $500 to attempt a cross-over
into the Windows NT and OS/2 market.  I doubt NeXT could go much lower than
that to try to grab Windows users, for example.  As for the developers
price, I don't have as much a problem with that costing more if it allows
the user price to be lower. 

Summary: we want NeXT for be *wildly*, not just incrementally, successful,
so let's hope a $500 user version price translates into mega sales.

--
Nathan Janette	# "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding.
Dept MB&B	# Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding.
Yale Univ/HHMI	# I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give.
New Haven, CT	# Echoes of the life that we all want to live."

nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu		
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From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel)
Subject: IBM 1GB HD 
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:08:30 GMT

Sorry, that I have to start a new thread, but, the other one already
expired. 
Several people mentioned, that the Drive works, some others, that it
doesn't.
All the people around me, which I asked, replied, that it DOESN'T work!!
Notice well, that I speak of the IBM0663-H12, and nothing else. As my
dealer said, there exist several drives named 0663xxx. He also said,
that several people tried to let those drives work, both internal and
external, and ALL Drives came back. I asked to friends, and they said as
well, that the drive doesn't work on the NeXT, they bought another one.
Why the IBM-Drive ?? It's fast, it's small, and its veeeeeery cheap!
So please tell me anybody, does the IBM0663-H12 work, if yes, what
modifications needed, or doesn't it .

- daniel
--
Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich
E-Mail              : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome)
study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch
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