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From: ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:43:22 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <1992Aug17.082231.8713@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser) writes:

[ Discussing the evils of Capitalism...]

>Yes, and that is to be thankful for.  These seem to be mostly
>havens for junk food.  I can buy all the potato chips and
>Twinkies (tm) I want there, but what about decent, non-processed

Well, I live in the middle of Munich/Munchen and it is impossible to 
buy a couple of bottles of beer after 14:00 on a Saturday.  Or milk,
or bread, or anything else.  Forget the junk food,  how about the other
things those stores sell?

>stuff?  Also, these places create low-paying, dead-end jobs,

Ha!  Yea, I guess those career minded people sitting outside the toilets
are pretty well paid career minded people.  And, no, they don't have those
in the states.  There are a lot of stupid menial jobs in Germany, a 7-11
or what ever type of convience store isn't going to destroy the dignity
of Germany's culture.

>convenience convenience!) is such a good thing?  Better to hold
>onto some customs than change at every whim.  <-(100% personal
>opinion, obviously.)

Germany is already trying pretty hard to Americanize itself.  Open a
newspaper, even the "Suddeutsch Zietung", half the ads are in English
and Germans know more about America than half the Ex-pats living here.
 
>> I asked my cousin why the stores aren't open later.
>> She said nobody wants to work odd hours.
>> What, not even to make money?

This is not what I have heard.  From what I hear from Germans is that
many of the older conservative Germans don't really like the idea of
the wife working and by having shopping hours that are completly fucked,
it makes it harder for the wife to justify working outside the home.

...Now this was just the opinions of the Germans I talked to.  The real
<legal> reason is the strength of the Labor Unions.  Those same people
that bring you 6 weeks of vacation a year - augmented with a travel allowance,
the highest labor rate in the world,  and plenty of other problems that
are slowly blowing up in the face of Germany.  The recent strikes are
evidence that things are getting tougher.
>
>What next?  The shopping mall mentality and culture?  Blech!
>
>> Steve Harlow, Spinneheim, Glen Ellyn, IL, USA
>
>Ed Lieser  (NOT "hanging out" at the mall)

Yea, but *where* do you live?  Or do you just visit Germany?

Ian Malone, Starving because I work until 18:00 and the shops close at 
18:30 


PS:  I really like Germany, but as any German, or anyone else who lives here,
will tell you, there are two things about life here that suck:
	The weather, and the shopping hours!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,talk.bizarre
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: GERMAN NAZIS
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.001846.14224@noao.edu>, muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes:
> In article <c3jn79a.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy) writes:

> >LAST MONTH I TOLD YOU HOW FASCIST THE GERMAN PEOPLE WERE, AND HOW
> >NAZISM WAS NEVER FAR FROM A GERMAN'S HEART.  

> Yeah, last month you put out generalisations and racist statements.
> Did you read the discussion about Rostock? All Germans are fashists?
> Stop that bullshit. Every country has fascists. Where are you from?


Obviously a provocateur sent by the Elders of Zion. :-)  And a not
terribly imaginative one, either.


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John Reece			"Oop. Ack. Pfffthpt"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			- Bill the Cat 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Subject: Re: Ein deutscher Carusso????
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:26:30 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <1992Aug27.110847.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, poser@vxdesy.desy.de (Till Poser  -  ZEUS OFFLINE) writes:

> [Carasso] kann nerven und ist ziemlich lebendig (eine Aenderung
> des letzteren Zustandes liesze sich wahrscheinlich arrangieren.)).

Hmm, heisst es deswegen `KILL' file? :-)

--
Joachim
From: thomas@aic.co.jp (Thomas Johannsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Rostock-Krawalle
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:42:22 GMT
	<1992Aug26.082755.26255@fokus.gmd.de>
Organization: Advanced Intelligent Communication Systems Lab.,Sendai,Japan
In-reply-to: mhs@fokus.gmd.de's message of 26 Aug 92 08:27:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.082755.26255@fokus.gmd.de> mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:


> politiker/polizei - das ist original das was ich aus dem
> geschichtsunterricht ueber die weimarer republik in erinnerung 

> der staat sollte dafuer sorgen, dass die leute eine richtige
> (harte) arbeit bekommen; das nimmt aengste und macht (zu) muede
> (zum rum-hoolen).

Z.B Autobahn bauen??? Da hatten die Leute auch richtige (harte) Arbeit...

\end{sarcasm}

Natuerlich sehe ich das Hauptproblem auch in der miesen Wirtschaft und damit
verbundenen Arbeits(=Perspektiv)losigkeit vor allem im Osten. Meine Zeitung
(The Japan Times) hatte heute auch einen grossen Bericht mit Bild drin und
erwaehnte, dass das Ereignis in Rostock ein Treffen von Rechten aus allen 
Teilen Deutschlands war. Die klatschenden Zuschauer werden aber wohl wirklich
"echte" Nachbarn und damit Einheimische gewesen sein.

Thomas
From: shj@login.dkuug.dk (Stig Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Wanted: CEPT->GIF converter & BTX editor
Keywords: cept,gif,btx
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:19:47 GMT
Organization: Asis Electronic Intl., Copenhagen, Denmark

I'm looking for software that will convert a GIF picture to a
CEPT picture... It will probably be ugly, but..

I'm also looking for a BTX editor..

Freeware, shareware, commercial, Dos, Unix, whatever. The
software can be in german or english or ..

Please reply by mail (and if you know of a better group for these
questions, please tell me about it!).
--
Stig Jacobsen
shj@login.dkuug.dk
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: NEEDED: Info about tolera
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

AK>We might be moving to Cologne later this year, or early next year.
AK>We wonder how much of this sickening and scary foreigner hatred
AK>goes on there and in surrounding areas (e.g., Bonn, D-Dorf,
AK>Ruhrgebiet).
AK>We would appreciate getting feedback, especially from people of color,
AK>but everybodys' input is welcome.

I'm a black german, and lived most of my life in Bonn. It's a safe
place, and same is true for Cologne. You'll find only occasional
racism, but it's not dangerous. I don't know much about the Ruhrgebiet,
though.
What will you do there?

AK>Thank you very much for responding,
AK>the riots fill us with sadness, compassion, concern and anger.

Anger mostly, for my part. *I* pay willingly taxes for those
anti-democrats in East Germany, and they tell me to move over!

AK>        axel & joye

Greetinx, Carl.

PS: I'll be happy to answer more specific questions.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * March 26, 1827: Beethoven begins decomposing
From: mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Analphabeten in den USA (was: Re: Ein deutscher Carusso????
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:27:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UebMwUK00iUyI7PFwq
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.german:
27-Aug-92  Re: Ein deutscher Carusso????  Stefan Thomke@mtl.mit.ed (1495)   
>From: thomke@mtl.mit.edu (Stefan Thomke)
>Subject: Re: Ein deutscher Carusso????
>Date: 27 Aug 92 02:28:39 GMT
> 
>In article <1992Aug26.145109.11908@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> kstokker@risc.uni-l
>inz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.204515.26404@sco.com> jimmo@sco.COM (James Mohr) write
>s:
>>>
>>>In article <SW95ZHQ@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de> paul@cs.tu-berlin.de writes:
>>>>Allerdings sollten viele US-Amerikaner eher mal Schreiben und Lesen
>>>>lernen. Liegt die Analphabetenquote in den USA nicht schon bei ueber 30%? 
>>>>
>>>>P Boehm
>>>
>>>Bloedsinn! Reine bloedsinn. Du bist fast so schlimm wie der Carusso. Es
>>>stimmt, dass die Analphabetequote is hoeher als in Deutschland, aber sie
>>>liegt bei bloss 10% (Eine Arbeitskollegin hilft ab und zu bei PLUS).

Ja, bestimmt, die Analphabetenquote in den USA liegt schon bei ueber
30%.  Und viele Amerikaner die NICHT offiziell Analphabeten sind koennen
ueberhaupt nicht buchstabieren -- z.b. der VP Dan Quayle, aber es gibt
eine grosse Menge genau wie ihn.    M. Fouge`res    (please excuse my
foreigner's German)  


=====================================================================
If the facts are against you, argue the law.
It the law is against you, argue the facts.
If the facts and the law are against you, yell like hell.

                                (MURPHY)
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:42:22 GMT
	<1992Aug26.093113.5683@chamber.in-berlin.de>
	<1992Aug27.172531.136188@rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh
In-reply-to: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de's message of 27 Aug 92 17:25:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.172531.136188@rrz.uni-koeln.de> aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:

   Wenn  Menschen  chinesischer  oder  anderer   Nationalitaet   aus
   durchaus berechtigten Gruenden in Deutschland leben wollen ist es
   prinzipiell ihr Recht, das zu tun.

Das Recht auf V"olkerwanderung - oder was ?

   Was soll eigentlich so schlimm
   daran sein, wenn hier auch andere Kultur gelebt wird?

Sicherlich nichts. Jedoch, jedem Menschen das Recht zugestehen zu
wollen, dort zu leben wo er m"ochte, ist in dieser Welt nicht
machbar. Richtig ist es sicherlich auf eine Welt hinzuarbeiten, wo
das kein Problem w"are.

   Die BRD ist eins der reichsten Laender auf dieser Erde.  Da  kann
   die  Aufnahme  von  Fluechtlingen  auch in groesseren Zahlen doch
   nicht  prinzipiell  unmoeglich  sein. 

Die BRD ist "ubrigens auch eine der dichtbev"olkertsten L"ander der
Welt. Die "Aufnahme von Fl"uchtlingen in gr"osseren Zahlen" ist so
ziemlich "uberall ein Problem - verst"andlicherweise.

Ich habe manchmal das Gef"uhl, da\3 Leute, die so naiv argumentieren
wie Du, eigentlich die Rechten unterst"utzen, da die Leute merken,
da\3 das Bl"odsinn ist. 

Thorsten
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Scotland
From: hinkel@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Erwiderung an J. Eggert und andere
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:21:45 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Schoen ist's, dass Jim Eggert so aufgeweckt ist, dass er einen Tippfehler
entdecken kann -- allerdings ohne die Faehigkeit einen Brief zu Ende lesen zu
koennen. Immerhin bin ich vom Eggerts Versuch etwas beeindruckt. Der ist ein
kluger Spassvogel, den man nicht unterschaetzen darf.

Lesen zu koennen, dass Eggert kein *Sprachwissenschaftler* ist, ist mir eine
freudige Mitteilung. {So schreibt er: >Ich bin aber kein Sprachwissenschaftler.
Ich habe die Linguistik zwar studiert, treibe aber jetzt Physik<.} 

Gratuliere!

Leider muss ich bei meiner >schlampigen "Meltungen"< {bzw. Mitteilung} stehen,
wenn ich schreibe, dass der gute Jim Verallgemeinerungen / Pauschalurteilen
schuldig ist.

Immerhin sehe ich ein, dass der Jim Eggert guten Willens ist.

Dass er meine Mitteilung sofort beantworten konnte, finde ich reizend.

Freundliche Gruesse an alle Nachtvoegel!

Robert Hinkel
Department of English
Western Michigan University
From: markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Kampe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Younger cities (was shopping ...)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 14:45:37 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South
NNTP-Posting-Host: sagredo.west.sun.com

tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN) writes:
> Exactly how old is Los Angeles?  A lot younger than any city in Germany I
> would say (I don't have any sources), but I think everyone would agree that
> there are many more problems there.  

Los Angeles (El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reine de los Angeles del Porciunla)
is just over 200 years old (its bicentenial being about five years ago).  It
was mostly orange groves and ranches until 1890, and most of the growth has
happened since 1915.

> Keeping with the transportation discussion, one thing LA really needs is 
> some form of public transportation, like a subway or high speed train.  
> What they have now just doesn't cut it (buses, cabs) 

Actually, when I was a child, LA had good public transportation, but the oil
companies bought the "Pacific Electric" and shut it down.  

> and the pollution from the city is horrendous.  

The Gabrielano indians used to call the central LA basin the "valley of smokes",
as the summer inversion layer was famous even before petroleum was used.  Now
that there are 5 million people in the city proper and 12 million people in
the greater metropolitan area ... (forgive them father, they knew not ...)

> When rebuilding cities that have had large sections destroyed, it is easy 
> to plan for the future and install modern rails systmes and other 
> conveniences.  

I have marveled at how many German cities have managed to turn the tragedy of
WWII bombing into an opportunity for rebirth.  It is almost enough to make me
wish for the "big one" to hit LA and the "mother of all hurricanes" to hit NY.

I have also marveled at the preservation of destroyed buildings (like the
military history museum in Muenchen).  If every city in the world had such
a once-grand-now-destroyed monument in it, we might have fewer wars.

> Installing such a system in the US would require tearing down peoples homes 
> and businesses, although that's not to say it doesn't need to be done.

We can't even finish the Century and Pasadena freeways ... and the land for
those was condemned over 20 years ago.


If the year only lasted from April-December, LA would still be desert.  It
is only in January that we all remember why we live here - and then it is
so good that it makes the other nine months bearable.
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Der Herr der Ringe...
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

ME>>Was ich meine, sind die faschistischen Tendenzen des Spiels [Castle
ME>>Wolfenstein] Der Held

ME>>ist blond und blauaeugig (nicht etwa schwarz oder so) und die Menschen
ME>>(ja, auch die KZ-Waerter waren Menschen) werden schlicht abgeknallt,
ME>>weil der Held "moralisch ueberlegen" ist. Das ist doch Faschismus in
ME>>reinster Form.

ME>Eben. Nur kapieren das die meisten nicht. Das Argument "ein
ME>Spiel in dem man Nazis abknallt, kann nicht faschistoid sein"
ME>ist naemlich Unsinn.

ME>Aber erklaere mal einem Fantasy-Rollenspieler, dass Tolkien
ME>faschistoid ist...

Aaaaah, noch einer, der diesen ueblen Verdacht hat!
An die Anderen: Schon 'mal aufgefallen, dass die Boesen bei Tolkien in
der Regel dunkel sind, im Osten und Sueden wohnen, dass "das edle Blut
der Koenige von Arathorn durch fremde Einheiraten geschwaecht wurde",
ganz zu schweigen von dem urgermanischen Reitervolk der Eowin (oder so
aehnlich)?

ME>--
ME>Martin  Emmerich   <--- this is a warlord-proof   <--- this is
ME>me@grmbl.saar.de        signature                      not

Und ich kenn' Dich aus Giessen!

Gruss, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * ... Immanuel Kant but Ghengis Khan!
From: olav@chamber.in-berlin.de (Olav Surawski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Offener Brief an den Bundeskanzler (Bosnien, Kroatien)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:38:53 GMT
Organization: Zombie's Burial Chamber, Berlin, West Germany.


                              Oberlin - Seminar
                              Evangelische Fachschule fuer Sozialpaedagogik
                              Berufsfachschule fuer Sozialwesen 
                              Auguste-Viktoria-Strasse 74.
                              W-1000 Berlin 33
                              Telefon: (030) 826 37 57 . 825 85 53

                              
                                                   Berlin den, 26.08.1992


                            Offener Brief 
                          ##################


        An 
        Bundeskanzler Helmut Kohl,
        Bundestagsfraktion der CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP, Gruene/Buendnis 90, PDS
        Bundesinnenminister Rudolf Seiters,
        Bundesaussenminister Klaus Kinkel,
        Presse, Rundfunk und Fernsehen


        Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

        Wir - Studierende, Schueler und Dozenten des Oberlin-Seminars,
        Evangelische Fachschule fuer Sozialpaedagogik ,
        und Berufsfachschule fuer Sozialwesen - 
        haben folgendes dringliches Anliegen.

        Wir fordern:
         - Die sofortige Aufloesung der Konzentrationslager
           in Bosnien und Kroatien
         - Die Bildung einer unabhaengigen Kommission zur Ueberwachung und 
           Wahrung von elementaren Menschenrechten.
         - Staerkeren politischen Druck auf die zuliefernden Staaten, die 
           die kriegsfuehrenden Gruppen mit Waffen, Oel, etc. versorgen.
         - Menschenrechte muessen fuer alle geltend gemacht werden.

        Unsere Vergangenheit zeigt sehr deutlich, dass tatenloses Zusehen 
        bei Menschenrechtsverletzungen verhehrende Folgen hat.
        Jeder Tote ist ein Toter zuviel.
        Durch die Beeintraechtigung der Menschenrechte in Bosnien und 
        Kroatien sind auch unsere Menschenrechte eingeschraenkt.


        In Vertretung



                    SchuelerInnen         Studierende

                  Schuelerin der 11 B     Olav Surawski

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: alumni113@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Deutsche Welle TV for North America/Nov92
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:37:26 GMT




TAKEN FROM REC>VIDEO>SATELLITE: 


X-NEWS: camins rec.video.satellite: 2411
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: harry@cs.tu-berlin.de (Harald Brinkmann)
Subject: Deutsche Welle-TV america-wide
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:06:01 GMT

I just received the new schedule fom DW-TV and in it they mention that they
will definitely go on the air in November this year on Intelsat K and one US
domestic satellite - they don't mention which one.

They also say that they will transmit to North- and South- America.
Intelsat K has the techincal possibility of downlinking one signal to a
combined North- and South- America beam, but since the target area languages
are different and the power would be lower *I* wouldn't make use of this
facility. However the article doesn't mention this either way.

Hope this is of some interest.

  Harald

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (ce)
Subject: Re: Shopping Hours, etc.
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 10:48:04 GMT

In article <92246.002819U09416@uicvm.uic.edu> Pankaj Saxena <U09416@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

[Rational Discourse Deleted]

But you didn't tell us why you think Germans have that little ledge in
their toilets...:)

But seriously, you raise some valid points. I take issue with only two:

1) I don't think that the quality of US cars is *currently* as poor as you
   seem to think. This observation would have been more valid a couple of
   years ago. Conversely, having driven two German cars during the last 
   two years I would say that their quality has, perhaps, been overstated.
   But I admit that two cars is not an adequate representation of an entire
   industry.

2) News broadcasts in the US are generally two-part. The first hour (or
   half-hour) is given to a local news program where one would naturally
   expect to hear only local or regional news. The network news which
   follows is usually *much* higher in international content. Anyway,
   there's an election on right now which tends to pull the coverage
   more towards the domestic. As for news in Europe I have two sources;
   German TV and British Forces Network. I find both to be suprisingly
   parochial and distinctly *non*-international in content. About as
   far afield as either service goes is Yugoslavia which seems to have
   totally obsessed news-shows here. They occasionally report on what's
   happening in the rest of the world but I think that the international
   content is *far* lower than the US. During a stay in Japan I found
   the news to be even more xenophobic. News shows within a country tend
   to only report international news which has a direct effect upon that
   country. The best source for international news here is CNN International
   which is available through cable. 

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From: ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Security/Safety/Privacy Was Re: Bathroom standards (w
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:02:40 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <1992Aug25.133848.10699@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George) writes:
>
>I'd like to hear more along these lines: according to my college German
>professor/text, German students tended to leave their dormitory rooms
>locked or at  least closed (contrary to the practice at least at most
>small American colleges) and that they tended to prefer single rooms
>for security/privacy.

I am a (ex) german student. In Germany there are next to none dormitories
which have doubles. Most of them have even an one kitchen and bathroom. But
still, german dorms are in general cheaper than in the US.

Example: very small room in a german dorm (10 m^2 = 90 ft^2), shower,
         bathroom and kitchen on the floor (8 students) 150 DM/month
         ($100)

         very nice appartment in a dorm, one bedroom, one kitchen, bathroom,
         shower: around 300 DM/month (around 16 m^2 = 100 ft^2 or so).
                       ($200).

Both examples are located in Wuerzburg. But in opposit to the states the
waitinglists for this dorm are very long (about 3 years I have heard...).

Bye, Johannes.

(all prices are subject of change.)