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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Steelers draft woes
Keywords: Rickets, Richardson, Noll-bashing
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:42:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I don't have the list of Steeler number one picks in front of me at the
moment, but I know who some of them are:  Huey Richardson, Tom Rickets, 
Louis Lipps, Gabriel Rivera, Aaron Jones, Rod Woodson, Leon Searcy.
These would be since, 1980 (?), or so.  Being a Steeler fan, I was a more
than a little surprised to see that not just Richardson, but Ricketts as well
had been let go (or traded).  I guess Cowher just felt that some changes 
were necessary.  Of the other picks I listed, Searcy is just a rookie, Woodson
is a Pro-Bowler, Lipps is getting old, but definitely not a draft bust.
Aaron Jones hasn't quite turned into the monster that people had hoped he 
would.  Gabriel Rivera was a good pick at the time, I think this the year of
all the QB's in the draft, Marino, Elway, etc.  He was called Senor Sack, and
was really promising until car accident ended his career, and nearly his life.
I don't think this would classify as a draft-bust though, simply because
it wasn't faulty or poor scouting that was responsible.  Another #1 pick was
Keith Gary, or is it Keith Simms, one of them was a number one.  I know that
Gary was the one who, in a VERY cheap play, effectively ended Ken Anderson's
career on a Monday night game.  Keith Willis, (not Simms, that's incorrect)
wasn't really a world-beater either.  Whichever of these two was a first-rounder
would qualify as a bust.  The Steelers have not drafted well during the
80's but I don't think that Noll should shoulder all of the blame.  Some of
those choices just didn't come through, but some (Lipps, Rivera, Woodson, Jones,
Searcy) either produced or are still being given a chance to prove themselves.
BTW, does anybody know what happened to Mean Joe after the coaching change?
I had heard the rumors that he was considered as a replacement for Noll, being
promoted from defensive line coach.  But after Cowher was hired, and they
cleaned house, I heard that Greene was out of a job.  Any confirmation on
this?  Anybody have an update?  Was it parting on bad terms?
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Seifert High?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:18:42 GMT

In article <athos-280892113459@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>I just can't believe he named Steve "Not Doing Well" Young as the official
>starter over Bono *and* Montana.  This will be a dismal season.
>
I hope Steve Young has as many dismal games like tonite's,
Aug. 28.  Although I opt for Bono, if Young can connect with
Rice like he did tonite, then let him take the Niner's all the
way until he falters.  At this point, put Bono in.  I am
hoping Montana can play, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

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From: jacobson@arcturus.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Subject: Re: Tickets for games in New York
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:14:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.100158.29098@comp.lancs.ac.uk> marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) writes:
>I'm planing on being in New York sometime late November/December time
>and I was hoping to pick up an NFL game whilst there.
>
>Is it easy to pick up tickets on the day? Do i have to get them in
>advance (a slight problem as i live in the UK and have no fixed dates
>yet) ?
>
>Do the Giants and Jets sell out for there games??
>
>And how much are tickets?
>
>Thanks for any information you can provide.
>
>Cheers
>Marc

The Jets and Giants both sell out to season ticket holders, but this
year the Jets have put something like 500 scattered tickets available
on a per game basis.  

I have no idea where the seats are, and they may be single seats for
all I know, but they cost $25 (like all other tickets).  500 tickets
is not a heck of a lot, and if the Jets start playing well (fingers
crossed), you may be out of luck, but you never know.  Call the New
Jersey Meadowlands for more information (I don't have the number
handy, sorry), or you can call the Jet's ticket office at
(516)-538-7200.

As a last resort you can scalp, but I have no idea what you'd pay.

Good luck and have fun!

P.S. You'd rather see a Jet's game anyway: they're more fun than the
Giants!!! (and the fans are rowdier)

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From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rams RB?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:17:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.1992Sep4.101709.754
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

In article <1992Sep3.233012.17479@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
> 
>    Does anyone know who will be the Ram's starting running back? I thought
>    Marcus Dupree looked pretty good against the Pack two weeks ago, but I
>    guess he wasn't the answer.
> 
>    --salty

	I'm not sure, but I thought that I saw something about Cleveland Gary
being the starter in yesterday's LA Slime, but I didn't even think Gary was
with club any more.
	`Ground Chuck' in LA --- not this year!  

walter
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:31:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <YeccQY200WBKI5nTUe@andrew.cmu.edu> lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Liz Fox) writes:
>NFC - East 7        AFC East 4
>      West 4            West 3
>      Cen. 3            Cen. 4
>(I'm missing one somewhere  - this is off the top of my head) * Maybe
>the Raiders had one more.

You're right.  The Raiders have won three SBs (XI, XIV, XVIII) and the KC has
won one (IV) bringing the AFC West's total to 4.


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From: tom@drutx.ATT.COM (MaddenTC)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Waiver Claims
Keywords: n
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:21:15 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver


Is it my imagination, or were there a lot more waiver claims following
final cuts this year than there have been in the past? I had the feeling, 
in past years, that there was a tacit agreement among GM's to keep their 
hands in their own pockets until final rosters (and recently, even 
developmental squads) had settled down. Oh, there was always a little 
activity associated with marginal players on good teams moving on to 
become starters on poor teams, and certainly Paul Brown wasn't averse 
to claiming an occasional player from an upcoming opponent's roster to 
gain a competitive advantage. (Yes, that means I've been around for a 
while!) But this year it seemed to be more than that. Green Bay grabs 
Harry Sidney from SF (plus two others from elsewhere), Dallas takes a 
LB from the Giants, Denver gains a FB from Houston but loses a DB to 
Cincy, etc. etc. Not complaining, mind you - just curious.

I did notice that there wasn't a lot of Plan B activity this year. 
Perhaps everyone finally realized that the caliber of player available 
on Plan B, for a signing bonus, could be had for "free" come waiver 
time, and waited till now to do their roster raiding.

Tom "you mean that's not Rick Upchurch wearing No. 80?" Madden
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From: elbjr@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Edward L. Brown, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Rison/Dishman?
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:16:45 GMT
Organization: The Bedford Group  Marietta, GA

I am curious has anyone heard anything about this possible trade.  Atlanta
newspapers seem to be shouting it out but no conformation from either team or
the league officials.  Anyone in Houston know about this and can you provide
background on Chris Dishman?

As it works now (according to Atlanta papers):

	Andre Rison WR to Houston for Chris Dishman CB and future considerations
(draft picks or other players)

Also rumor has it that Atlanta is looking for a All-Pro potental DL... anyone
care to contribute to this latest rumor...?


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From: jjs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph J. Shen)
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Reply-To: jjs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph J. Shen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:19:30 GMT


In a previous article, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) says:

>In article <1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>In article <21063@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug26.001310.11281@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>>Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
>>obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.
>
>I think his point was Jay was acquired by the Cowboys from Plan B, was
>drafted by the Cardinals in a later round(~7th I think was too long ago
>to recall), and although he is an excellent receiver and should never
>have been turned loose by the Cardinals, a #1 and a #3 pick for him
>does seem a bit steep.

However, all you have to do is look at the most recent draft to see what
a premium (wrongly so, in my opinion) teams put on a really good TE.
If I remember right, the Giants and Jets used up their first round picks
(15 and 16?) on TE's which weren't exactly record breakers in college
but who seemed to have POTENTIAL for being very good.  Novacek, on the
other hand, is a PROVEN receiver and gets open quite well (although
blocking isn't his forte).  Teams would be willing to give up at least a
first rounder for him, if not more.

Hey ice, keep up the good work!!


















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From: dbrown@boulder.Colorado.EDU (David Brown)
Subject: Oilers
Summary: Oilers
Keywords: Oilers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date:  1 Sep 92 14:48:57 GMT

I saw in today's transactions that the Oilers front office finally got wise and
signed Warren Moon to a real contract.  Unfortunately, the paper did not discussdetails.  Can anyone enlighten me on the terms?

Now for some questions concerning the final roster.
1.  In looking at Monday's cuts, I saw that Mario Bailey, Manny Hazard, and 
Elbert Turner were all on the list.  Are any of these guys charted for the
devolopmental squad?  Also, I assume that Jeff Query was retained as the 
eighth and final wide receiver.?
2.  The Oilers have decided to keep 8 linebackers(A. Smith, Lathon, Meads,
Graf, Seale, Robinson, Bowden, Kozak) ?
3.  Is there any news on William Fuller and/or Chris Dishman?  I saw a trade
rumor concerning the Dish the other day ( Dishman for Atlanta's Andre Rison).
Is there anything to that rumor?  It seems that it is a possibility, because 
the Oilers appear to be loaded with DB's.
4.  Is it possible that Del Greco might be dropped in favor of a new kicker 
on the waiver line?  That still appears to be their weakspot.

Thanks,
David
:wq
 
:wq
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Bucs' Robert Wilson waived??
Keywords: eat more FB moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:12:22 GMT

I read in the paper that Robert Wilson, FB for the Bucs
got cut.  Is this true?  What happened?  I was under the
impression that he was a damn fine blocker for Cobb...

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From: cowboy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Greg Barron)
Subject: Re: A surprise Bills cut
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:41:21 GMT

evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:


>They cut Jamie Mueller today. He was bitter. He didn't accept the Bills'
>$25,000 injury settlement offer.


What was the nature of his injury? I didn't even know it was that
serious.....

>I just *hate* it when NFL teams discard their stars like used tires. Why
>not have ceremonies at games or something. It doesn't seem fair to treat
>a guy who played his *ass* off so poorly. Oh well.


Yeah, I agree. No matter what the situation, my knee-jerk reaction
is to side with a player rather than management. After laying it on
the line for the ballclub (and the $$$$$$, of course), a little 
consideration should be due.


My $0.02 on the collection plate. :-)


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From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins Suck!
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:45:25 GMT
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <ELM.92Aug29203322@terrorism.berkeley.edu>,
elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug30.025952.14048@wam.umd.edu> huesmann@wam.umd.edu
(Joseph Edward Huesmann) writes:
|>=>Alas, 'nuff said... :(
|>
|>I, too, was pretty dismayed by what I saw.  I can imagine the
|>post-game tongue-lashing that the Redskins are going to get.  I just
|>hope they can do better come next Monday night.  If not, it's going to
|>be a long season....
|>
|>There were a few bright spots, though.  Robert Green, Desmond Howard,
|>and Stephen Hobbs all looked pretty good.  Maybe the Redskins just
|>need a good kick in the rear to wake them up -- they won't win half
|>their games if they play this poorly all season.
|>
|>ethan
|>--

  Yeah right !!!!!!!!!!!!   Coach Gibbs is  pulling one 
  of his favorite tricks.   The Redskins lost a game and Gibbs
  crys wolf.   Gibbs does it every time.   Its a good
  thing the JJs are aware of his crying wolf tactics.............

  The Redskins are much better then the game against the Vikings
   indicated..........but I still enjoyed the thumping they received......:)


Go Cowboys...................................
From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:20:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Doyle Donehoo) writes:

>Remember those of you who said Joe was Toast? That Joe was 
>washed up? That he was outta here??

>Well, toast is served. Eat your words.

>Joe Montana was throwing in practice today, and will start this Friday.

>The rest of the league and their fans can go back to their regular
>program of cowering and shaking when number 16 hits the field. :-) Hee hee.
>Joe is BACK! Now the 49ers are at least 3 deep in great QBs.

>"Is number 16 still on the field? Then it's not over yet."
>	-Collingsworth, when his team was ahead in the Superbowl
>         in the last minutes of the game.

>(Now, lets see how Joe does.)


According to the Seattle paper (and the Seahawks have every reason to be
interested in this development for the game), Joe will only make a cameo
appearance on Friday and, furthermore, Seifert has named Steve Young as
the official starter for the season.
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Vikings-Redskins stats
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: us
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:34:09 GMT
Keywords: preseason game stats vikings redskins


Here are the stats for the Vikings-Redskins practice game:

  Vikings.............3 14 10  3 - 30
  Redskins............0  0  0  0 -  0
  FIRST QUARTER
  Min-FG Reveiz 33, 5:11
  SECOND QUARTER
  Min-A. Carter 15 pass from Gannon (Reveiz kick), 9:24
  Min-Johnson 5 pass from Gannon (Reveiz kick), 11:12
  THIRD QUARTER
  Min-Jordan 16 pass from Gannon (Reveiz kick), 1:52
  Min-FG Reveiz 21, 14:02
  FOURTH QUARTER
  Min FG Reveiz 37, 5:53
  A-55,855
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  Team statistics              Vikings           Redskins
  First downs ............          17                 15
  Rushes-yards ...........      35-157             22-128
  Passing yards ..........         149                137
  Return yards ...........          75                  1
  Comp.-att.-int. ........     17-26-0            19-33-3
  Sacks-yds.lost .........         1-7               2-12 
  Punts ..................        4-43               4-40
  Fumbles-lost ...........         0-0                2-1
  Penalities-yards .......        9-80               5-60
  Time of possession .....       31:29              28:31
  INDIVIDUAL STATISTICS
  Rushing: Minnesota- Allen 13-90, Craig 7-33, Nelson 7-20, Gannon 4-13,
  Salisbury 1-1, West 2-0
  Washington- Byner 6-80, Ervins 9-31, R. Green 3-16, Settle 3-2, Conklin
  1-(-1)
  Passing: Minnesota- Gannon 14-21-0, 124 yards; Salisbury 3-5-0, 32
  Washington- Rypien 13-24-3, 95, Conklin 6-9-0, 54
  Receiving: Minnesota- Jordan 4-38, C. Carter 4-30, A. Carter 2-32, Tice
  2-26, Reed 1-15, J. Johnson 1-5, Nelson 1-5, Allen 1-4, Craig 1-1
  Washington- Hobbs 5-62, Orr 3-20, Green 3-11, Howard 2-18, Byner 2-5,
  Clark 1-13, Sanders 1-12, Settle 1-4, Monk 1-4
  MISSED FIELD GOALS: none

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Tight Ends
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.130240.724@calmasd.prime.com> wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:
>In article <Derek_Juntunen.07mx@abcd.Houghton.MI.US>, Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
>> Well, I always liked Ozzie Newsome of the Browns.
>> Whatever happened to him?  The best TE now tho,
>> I would say Brent Jones of SF.  He can block and
>> catch exellently.
>> 
>> -- Via DLG Pro v0.995
>
>
>	Nope, sorry - the best tight end would have to be Marv Cooke of NE. 
>Led the league with 82 receptions.  Also had 5 TD catches.  Ethan Horton of the
>Raiders had more yards recvng, but fewer TDs.
>
Nahhh, you are wrong :-) .....Derek is right on with Brent Jones,
insofar in that Brent Jones always seems to make the back breaking, 
clutch, we need the 3rd and 6 yard catches.  He is sure-handed, can 
stay on his feet, catch the ball and also BLOCK. Brent is consistent.
There are very few positions that anyone can state this player or
that player is the best.  Of course, there are exceptions, but
not on this case, Marv Cooke is NOT the best tigh end.  He might
rank up in the top five, but so would Bren Jones.

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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: FFL - Two Opennings
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:51:57 GMT
Organization: unify


There is an opening for two owners in our fantasy football league.  I know its
kinda late, but our Commish headed south for the winter :) and communications
became kinda sparse.  In the process we lost another owner.

The teams have already been set, the teams that are open are decent teams -
here is an example of them:

Team #1: Warren Moon, Christion Okoye
Team #2: John Elway, Emmitt Smith

There are 12 teams divided into 3 divisions.  Each team will play  the other 
teams in its div. 3 times along w/ 6 games outside the division.  The winners
of the 3 divs +1 Wildcard team will advance to the post season.  If you are 
interested, drop me an e-mail.


Tim.
tsv@unify.com
Owner - Texas Thunder & Acting Commish

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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Buffalo loses another player on Defense
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:08:50 GMT

In article <47128@shamash.cdc.com> jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt) writes:
>With the departure of Seals, does this mean Phil Hanson will now
>start at DE?
>
Interestingly, one guy who has look awfully good for Tampa Bay has been
Reggie Rogers this pre-season.   I don't think he would look as good in
another uniform as he has here  due to the presense of Floyd Peters who
can do wonders for a defensive lineman, but you can't tell me that this
guy couldn't help the Bills.
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