From: daz@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David A. Z.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Superman rebirth
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:21:14 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Sep23.003906.19212@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com 
(Kevvy Kev) writes:
 
>This is a gross simplification of the mess that the Crisis has engendered.
>I'll repeat: if the Crisis "happened," then Supergirl did exist.  This doesn't
>mean she belongs in a post-Crisis universe, it just means that, given that she
>was instrumental in the event, she had to have "existed."  Otherwise the
>Crisis couldn't have happened, we wouldn't have the current DC universe, etc,
 
        Ok... one more time...
 
       All the precrisis characters never existed in current DC timeline.
Most of what you read in the maxiseries "Crisis on Infinite Earths" happened
PRECRISIS and didn't exist.
 
        During issue 11, lots of characters went to the beginning of time.,
had a nasty battle there, and wiped out all the precrisis history.  A
really simplified version of the pre/post-crisis CURRENT HISTORY is as 
follows:
 
	A) The multiverse was born
	B) Lots of neat superheros including precrisis Supergirl and several
	   version of precrisis Superman and precrisis Krypton were created.
	C) The Antimoniter showed up and caused lots of trouble including
	   colapsing a few precrisis universes
	D) The precrisis heros battle the Antimoniter and pretty much win,
	   the precrisis supergirl is killed in the process
	E) The Antimoniter goes back to the beginning of time (or before it
	   officially) and tries to alter all of his history to his liking.
	F) Lots of precrisis heros go after the antimoniter and have a big
           nasty battle at the start of time.
	G) Said battle wipes out all of precrisis history and none of the
           precrisis events mentioned above (except "this at the beggining of 
	   time" battle itself) cease to have ever existed.
 
	END OF PRECRISIS HISTORY!!!  ALL THE ABOVE EVENTS HEREAFTER 
	CEASE TO EXIST!

	BEGINNING OF POST-CRISIS HISTORY...
 
        A) There was a nasty battle at the beginning of time    
        B) The Postcrisis Guardians of OA, and the reset of the postcrisis 
	   universe evolved from the post-crisis universe as that battle left 
           it.  Postcrisis Krypton and postcrisis Earth evolved differently 
	   than the pre-crisis multiverse.  
        C) The antimoniter from Qward started a post-crisis version
           of crisis, the exact details of which were never published.
        D) THe antimoniter and postcrisis heros battle, travel back to the
           beginning of time and are responcible for post-crisis battle 
	   at the beginning of time (See "A") which forms thier own universe.
        E) All contradictions of the post-crisis universe conviently
           fade away leaving an allegedly consistant post-crisis 
           universe.
 
        Although there are lots and lots and lots and lots (....) of
continuity screwups in the post-crisis universe, there is one thing
that is fairly clear... the precrisis events NEVER HAPPENED although
simular events may or may not have occured in the post crisis universe.
THe events of Crisis #12 were postcrisis and did happened (except for
the adjustments mentioned in "E".)
 
        Therefore, in the postcrisis DC universe:
 
        A) Supergirl was never born
        B) Supergirl never died
        C) THe precrisis multiverse never collapsed since they never existed
        D) The postcrisis universe had "Crisis": The skies of the 
	   post-crisis universe turned red, lots of heros fought the 
           antimoniter, and appearantly "won", but the Antimoniter didn't 
	   kill off supergirl and never even fought supergirl 
	   (postcrisis) since she never existed postcrisis! 
			
				- David A. Z.
 
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