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From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Summary: ST110 still rated best sports tourer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:56:28 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

During a recent perusal of CYCLE WORLD sept 92 , I was reading a complete
review of the new BMW K1100LT sports tourer/luxury tourer. I must admit
I was very impressed by the electric fairing but a single line in 
the article summed up the new bike.

I quote after some mention of acceleration in the 1/4 mile " Top-gear roll
on performance also betters that of the ST1100, currently the best 
sports tourer on the market" 

Now let's not forget that the ST1100 has a true overdrive fifth gear not 
found on the K1100LT accounting for the less then incredible acceleration
in fifth but also giving a 85MPH cruising RPM of approx 4300 and 
absolutley no vibration, but more importantly this article in the above
line re-affirms that the ST110 is still the best Sports tourer in the
market and by inference is far superior to the new K1100LT!! For 3000
less dollars.

Now if I was only a good enough rider to really take advantage of this
wonderful motorcycle

Dave
DoD 1085
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Electric accessories, Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:57:47 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Oct05.091148.17374@microsoft.com> chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
>Can I just splice a couple of wires and a fuse onto, say,
>the headlight lines where they come out of the fusebox?

That worked for me.

>Is there anything I should look out for (I know little or
>nothing about electrics)?
>
Yes.  Having an insulated fuse or circuit breaker is important.  A short in a
cigarette lighter on an unfused line can fry the whole wiring harness 8-O.

Chas
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: michels@spot.Colorado.EDU (MICHELS LENA)
Subject: Yamaha Scooter For Sale
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:48:08 GMT


Yamaha CV80 '84 Scooter

Was in good shape til stolen, now needs work. $75 or make
offer.

email michels@spot.colorado.edu or call 303-279-7523.
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: K75 counterbalancer? (Was: BMW K100rs)
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:32:13 GMT


>>my understanding is that the 3cyl bike has the balancer.


>But why would it need one? A 120 degree triple is smoother than a 180
>degree four by nature. Anyone got the shop manual handy?

    That's realy a 240 degree triple. (unless BMW has been infected by
the NSU 2 stroke virus) Anyway, first off, in a 4, for each piston/rod
assembly that is accilerating/decilerating in a given direction there
is another doing the same thing at the same time in the opposite direction.
A 3 on the other hand, has each piston doing something with nothing
(except a balance shaft if any) doing the oppisite thing as a balance.

   As a general rule, more cylnders = smoother running because the
power pulses are timed closer together. To see this for yourself,
befriend a collector of classic cars and get him to show off one of
the wonderful old Marmon, Minerva, or Cadillac V16's. Bribe him with
a 6 pack if you need to, it's worth it. (I wondered it there was a way
to turn this thread to beer!)

   In 1932, Old Henry Ford said, "A four stroke cycle engine must have
an even multiple or division of four cylinders to work right. In my
estimation, a 4 is half an engine, a 6 is no engine at all, a straight 8 is too long to carry its own weight, and a V8 is just right."


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother
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From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 28 Sep 1992 16:15:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep28.143440.29834@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com
(Keeper of the 'Tude) wrote:
> 
> 
> If my engine is set up for regular fuel and I ride through a mandatory
> alcohol state, I'll have to rejet or damage my engine.  Further down
> the road and I may have to rejet again.  Get the picture?

Yeah, I had that picture already Roid.  Maybe you could go bolt on
aftermarket EFI?

Or you could go by a bike with EFI to ride until all the states decide
to have uniform fuel codes. :-)

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Why Aerostitch instead of leather?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:46:42 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1aq470INN11p@agate.berkeley.edu>, timi@mendel.berkeley.edu ( Tim Ikeda) writes:
> Interesting note:  In the October  Motorcyclist magazine and City Bike
> (SF area), Aerostitch advertised that the price for the Roadcrafter
> 2-piece suit was $597.  When I ordered the suit last Thursday, the price
> given me was $637.  After I mentioned the discrepancy to the salesperson
> he said that the company had raised prices in July but that the old ads
> had not been yet been updated in several magazines (The November
> Motorcyclist ad still has the old prices).  To their credit, the
> Aerostitch salespeople did not hesitate to honor the $597 advertised
> price.  I'm happy because now I can afford the back-protector
> accessory :^) !!!!!

their having agreed to refund your money so quickly was "to their credit."
but NB they are under legal obligation to do so, and many would bitch
and moan, leaving you with little alternative but the call the atty.
general's office.

-- 
--
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
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From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Stealing bikes
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:11:29 GMT

In article <1a7cmpINNhqh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 92Sep27133615@starbird.WPI.EDU, rtaraz@starbird.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>Everything helps, but it won't stop a slime that wants your bike.


	You aren't bitter, are you Ed?

-------
Not bored, pissed. Word to wise (from the dumb):  CU Econ Dept. *SUCKS SHIT*
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corisca  |    NYC, NY.|
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From: rbodepud@sedona.intel.com (Ramana Bodepude)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CBR 600 price ??? (just got one!!!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: rbodepud@sedona.intel.com
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Intel Corporation
Originator: rbodepud@light


Finally took the plunge and bought myself a 89, CBR 600, with 20K miles on
it. What would be considered a good price for it ? Incidentally it is missing
its side fairings since the original owner had laid it down, otherwise the bike
looks and runs good. The fork might also have been bent since it seems to pull
a little to the right. Considering these what would be a good price and could
anyone also let me know the blue book values.

Thanx a bundle
Ramana

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89 CBR 600 (sitting at home)
DoD # ????????????
AMA # ????????????
Calssification : Novice, No Insurance, No licence, No MSF course,
                 No Helmet (to be remedied ASAP)
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From: kolbjc@infonode.ingr.com (Chris Kolb)
Subject: FJ/FJR/GTS
Keywords: INFO
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:20:37 GMT



And now for something worth reading...                    

The Nov. Motorcyclist is out and you FJ'rs should see what will be
the next "FJ".

For those of you who can't run to the news stand here is what I found
to be interesting. It has the RADD front end suspension, powered by a
reworked FZR1000 engine, ABS, EFI, and they claim it may be one of the
lightest sport-tour bikes. IMHO it looks pretty sharp, I guess I kinda
liked the fact that you could see some MOTOR on the previous FJ's where
this one is wrapped up as tight as a Hurricane and has those stupid 
dents in the tank for the handle bars (can you say much lower handle bar
positioning). Ohh ya, it says something about breathing through a catalyst.


For those of you who gotta have one, I'll buy your "out of date FJ"
I am seriously interested in purchasing an FJ 86 or up. I too would
like the collection of FJ posts.

KOLB
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD music . . .
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:48:46 GMT
Expires: 25 Oct 92 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: Computervision

In article <1992Oct02.171518.27820@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@msus1.msus.ed writes:
>This morning on public radio I heard the _______ Chamber Quartet perform
>the title work from their album *What if Mozart had Written "Born to be
>Wild?"*.  I made me think of the DoD and it brought a tear to my eye.

Sorry Pooder but when I think of the DoD what comes to mind is something like 
"No way to delay that trouble comin' every day" by Frank Zappa on the Mothers
first album.


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Back in the saddle - BONNE'S ALIVE          (617) 275-1800 x 4173
The street giveth and the street taketh away - Catmother
*********************************************************************
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: fuel/engine efficiency
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:44:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.131424.584@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
(bob pasker) writes:
>while i don't have evidence for a hydrogen powered engine specifically, there
>is evidence that new technology is either stolen (q.v. the inslaw case,
>interval windshield wipers)

The Inslaw case involves charges of theft and abuse of
power, not of suppression of new ideas.

The case of interval windshield wipers, like the case of
wing windows before it, is a classic example of the little
guy's difficulty in enforcing his patent rights.  In both
cases, the technology was used without payment, not
suppressed.

>or bought up (trains, trolley cars, as already pointed out)

No oil or automobile bought up rail factories or patents on
locomotives to eliminate competition from the rails.

>or dealed away (the "achnacarry agreement," where the seven sister
>agreed to eliminate competition between themselves as a way of driving prices
>up).  lets see, there's also the arrangment between ITT (which had large
>european investments) and the nazis.  the former agreed to keep supplying
>military equipment to the nazis in exchange for not siezing their european
>assets. 

Neither of these examples has anything to do with suppressing
technology.

>such underhandedness leaves little doubt in my mind that when it comes
>to innovation, its "business as usual": protect existing markets at any 
>cost.

This is a distortion of capitalist economics.  Markets are
definitely not protected "at any cost".  The values of
potential markets are carefully considered.  That's why it
doesn't make sense to assume that oil companies have a
vested interest in suppressing non-petroleum energy storage
systems.

During times when the oil giants have been cash rich, they
have invested in coal, oil shale, and solar energy.  They
know that the cost of extracting oil may some day rise to
the point where other technologies will be more
profitable.  For a sample of the thinking involved, look
back six or seven years in Scientific American for an
article by Bill Menard on the increasing cost of oil
exploration and development.  He has some plots of oil
produced against steel used in drilling for it, a reminder
that there has to be a point of diminishing returns
somewhere.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:47:29 GMT

randy@ninja.megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>|	What's the 1/4mile time, 0-60, 0-100, and 0-60-0 times of the
>|FJ1200 and the Shelby 427 Cobra?
>|
>|	I seem to recall 0-60-0 in the low 6 second range, possibly less.

>  For the Viper or Cobra??  SO?

	They were quite similar, so take your pick.

>  0-60 for the FJ1200 is in the 3.0 second range, 60 to zero for the FJ12 is
>in the two-second range.  For that matter, 0-60 for most sport-liter bikes is
>in the 3.0 and high 2's, the ZX-11 is supposedly 2.8.

	Oh, I can believe this.  How well do they stop?  That's 0-60-0 time
I'm after reflects a bit more on racing.  I don't suspect skidpad results
were taken, though thye might exist as the car rags wax nostalgic.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>

	

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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: passing on the right (was: Stupid BIKE
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:06:35 GMT

On 25 Sep 1992 21:34:59 GMT, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) said:

Ed> One garners so many *useful* factoids from CA traffic school...

Are there any of us Californians (past or present) who _haven't_
been to traffic school?

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Double  minus 5
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:49:25 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Sep25.232706.6835@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
>
>Now is it just me or do a lot of people find that 
>Double the Speed limit minus 5 mph is a nice rule of thumb 
>for canyon riding?
>

No.  I prefer Double _plus_ 5 mph.  :-)

===============================================================================
|Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530    KotTG      WMTC    AMA  |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 3.67 and climbing... | 
|'86 VF500F - Racebike-in-waiting      | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |

                       "The net is a weird place" 
		         	      .... Blaine Gardner
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:39:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.145623.26689@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>
>What a load of horseshit. People who first of all believe that they
>must look good when they ride are too fucking vain. Ooooo, heaven
I agree.  IMHO there are more impo'tent things.

>The idea that riding around town with those groceries is safer
>than out on the highway and therefore I don't need all that 
>unnecessary protection is just bleedin' illogical.  In town
>all those people are out to get you.  You are IN fuckin' season!

I agree again.  My brother in law was recently paralized from the 
waist down because a woman hit him in town.  He had been riding for
at least 20 years and he had a big bike.  She wasn't even going
that fast.  The cop didn't give her a ticket because he said
that it was not possible to see him due to the layout of the road
and intersection or something.  This makes it the state's fault.

Anyway, this experience is what made me start thinking about riding.
Pretty smart, yes??   (Flame away.  I don't care what anybody thinks
anyway).  Virtual Smiley.  Virtual Smiley.  Virtual Smiley.

-Fishnet
#1919

America has become one nation under one drug.
                           -Bono
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:40:56 EDT
From: ALEX STEFANOWICZ <AKS112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: WANTED:INTERCEPTER 500

I am looking for a 1984-1986 Honda vf500 intercepter, low miles and with the
fairings in good shape, and for a price that will not put me in debt for life.
Preferably the model with the black seat and the top of the tank blue.
Any infomation on the sale of this bike or general infomation about the
intercepter (good or bad) is greatly appreciated.
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute/Cereal for Breakfast
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:43:00 GMT

From: merenda@remus.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi)
}for breakfast i have coffee. ALOT of coffee. 
}it's low in calories (none), low in saturated fat (again none!)
}and it gives you a really good rush if you drink enough of it.

Yeah - I find that it gives me a good rush in my lower
gastrointestinal tract. That plus a vibrating parallel twin can
make the morning commute more urgent, somehow.

}how about the rest of you? what is the official DoD breakfast?
}10W40?  used 10W40? old tires? pop-tarts?

Bouncing Tennis Balls Cereal - now with marshmallow little girls!
Stays crunchy even in Kal-Gard!

}peace. ride safe.

}-Frank  Merenda-

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
           DoD #614 / 1980 Kawasaki KZ440B / KoTDoD (Dumpy old Dual)

     "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
From: martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: glasses and helmets
Date: 24 Sep 92 18:33:16 GMT
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

> randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis) writes:
>> The frames may get bent out of shape, but that shouldn't be too harmful. 

Yes. And, of course, no. See unqualified anecdotes below.


brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet) writes:
> The glasses/non-glasses debate probably depends on how your head is shaped.

Well, those of us without full-face helmets* don't worry about that.
I've never found an open-face helmet that wouldn't go on over glasses.


unqualified anecdotes without accompanying scientific studies in refereed
journals or even simple physical analysis of the events:

On the other hand. I've had two accidents that required replacing my
glasses. The first time they were metal frames, which bent and _rolled_
down my face making interesting hash along the way. I'm missing a small
section of eyebrow, and have interesting scars on my nose, but the split
lip may have been from some other cause. Since then I've stuck to plastic
frames. In my last accident my glasses disappeared, with no facial damage.

Doesn't prove anything, but I strongly suggest plastic frames.

I also strongly suggest more careful riding.


OBob: :-) :-) :-)

*And please don't try to be annoying about it. It's not a political decision.


Martin Golding        |  Always buy the biggest one:
DoD #236  WMTC #0002  |   Size is the only substitute for skill.
[motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Newbie needs advice
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 13:01:17 GMT

Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
: Datasbuild (datasbld@bnr.ca) wrote:
: : Lea and Perrins also make a hot variety and a tomato sauce.  Neither of which I
: : have tried (yet).  I am still suffering the after shock of trying out Kellogg's
: : Pop-Tarts which my children _insisted_ I purchase for them.  They were truly 
: : gross!
:  
:    Nick, do you get the frosted or unfrosted Pop-Tarts?  I find the only
: ones that are tolerable to me are the unfrosted brown sugar and cinnamon
: variety.  The frosting is truly gross, but even here in the States it is
: difficult to find them without it.


They have only managed to bribe the Custom(English Gestapo) men(?Killer robots)
enough to let four variety of toxins^H^H^H^H^H^Hflavours through.  They are:-

       Shit             (chocolate)
       Puke             (strawberry)
       Slime            (apple)
       Puke-with-slime  (strawberry with frosted top)

They charge about one pound twenty, I think.

ObMoto> Rode my bike to the shops to get them.

Heartattackflash!>  Set off on Kay to go to Guildford, bloody oil light didn't
go out.  (Oh my God!!!!!).   Stopped.  (Sensible).  Went back home, 'phoned BM
dealers and they said it was either, 1) wire problem to oil pressure sensor,
2) oil pressure sensor (same as a BM 3-series car and costs a fiver, or.......
3) 'phone them back to arrange for mortgage as it's _serious_!!

Walked back to bike, like condemned man to the gallows..................................................................................................................  Bent down, found oil pressure sensor, pulled rubber johhny off it, 
checked wire was OK, turned on ignition and started her motor........................................................................................................................  the oil light went out!!!!!!!!!  Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It was just a dicky connection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One was terribly relieved, M'Lud.


Nick (the There is a God and He sometimes smiles on Me Biker)      DoD 1069
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From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Re: Stupid Questions
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:36:29 GMT

In article <1as7g8INNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 1agfa1INN3hd@cs.utexas.edu, osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>
>>Actually, I like to think of it as "Toxic Waste Green"
>>as opposed to the "Baby-Shit Green" that Kawasaki likes
>>to use.  :)
>
>"Nice car.  Kind of a cross between piss yellow and puke green, huh?"
>
>Name the movie and scene.

	Movie :  National Lampoon's Vacation
	Scene :  No idea
-- 
Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7
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From: kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory)
Subject: Re: Glove recommendations
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:19:58 GMT

>In article <1992Sep24.175505.14715@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu 
(Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>
>Autumn is apparently arriving with a vengeance (frost last night, 45 degrees
>this morning), too cold for my light gloves, so it's time to pick up some
>heavier gloves. I spotted some three-finger gloves in the Dennis Kirk catalog
>(anyone have any experience with these?) that look like they'll do for the
>severe arctic stuff (which we're apparently not going to get this winter), so
>I'm looking for recommendations for something in between summer and brrrr.

45 degrees is brrr for me... 

I use Gore-Tex-lined ski gloves. A bit heavy, but they don't get in the way
and are quite warm.

-kdg