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From: jrh28960@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason R Holdman)
Subject: SOME Michigan Fans...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:33:45 GMT


	Does anyone remember that in 1989 when the Michigan team WON the NCAA
Championship, the fans in the streets of Ann Arbor caused over $100,000
worth of damage, and this year they were rioting in the streets after the loss.
It looks like SOME Michigan fans are even worse winners than they are losers!
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wolfpack Fans
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:48:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) wrote:

}Is it me, or are these wolfpack fans starting to get on people's
}nerves? ONE CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH UPPER CASE CHILDISH COMMENTS. So do
}us all a favor and grow up or get off the net... 

I recommend:

/sparc\.ncsu/h:j

in the KILL file.   It brings a tear of joy to my eye every time
I see rn smash one of those pesky buggers.  

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"Laugh while you can, monkey boy!"    | Mark Mitchell, Ga. Tech, Atlanta, GA
                                      | mm42@prism.gatech.edu
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From: fernande@nova.ccrs.emr.ca (Nick Fernandes)
Subject: BBall stuff. (Syracuse, All-Rookie team)
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:17:11 GMT

Hello fellow hoop fans!!

This is my first post in this newsgroup so I have a lot
of varied topics to discuss.

First of all let it be known that I'm a Syracuse fan.  I was wondering
if anyone could tell me some information about their recruiting for
next year.  Also, please add any comments about how they'll fare next
year (line-ups, etc.).  I would also like comments as to whether
David Johnson has a chance in the NBA.  Will he be drafted?  When?
If his outside shot is for real I think he might get a shot with
a team.  I think he'll have to prove himself in the pre-season
tournaments.  At least he's following in the footsteps of several
recently successful Syracuse grads (Rony, Sherman, D.C., and Billy).

I'd like to give my All-Rookie team for the past season.
This does not include Prop 48's.

            Lawrence Moten  Syracuse
            Jalen Rose      Michigan
	    Chris Webber    Michigan
	    Alan Henderson  Indiana
	    ??????????????  ????????

I know that the other 3 from the Fab5 are outstanding players,
but did they have the numbers?

Can someone produce the final stats for the Fab5 and the other
players mentioned above.

Lastly, I was looking for stats and comments on 2 players from
the Toronto area.

	Bobby Allen	Evansville
	Phillip Dixon	Utah

Looking forward to feedback.
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From: beineke@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu (Phil Beineke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: question about MIchigan '89??
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:56:29 GMT
	<1992Apr8.185925.28047@walter.bellcore.com>
Organization: /home/beineke/.organization

In article <1992Apr8.185925.28047@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:

   Sean was on the team in 1989, but he wasn't a starter.  I think the 
   fifth starter you're thinking of was Mark Hughes, who tried out for the
   Pistons the next couple of years after college, but never made the
   team.  Also, Sean left after the 1990 season, which was his junior year,

As someone else noted, Hughes was not a starter for U-M.

And actually, Hughes did make the Pistons--he was with the team for at least
part of the 90-91 campaign.  Quite a testament to that team that a player
who was never a starter could make it to the NBA.

phil beineke
Michigan sophomore using a caltech account
beineke@ugcs.caltech.edu
or beineke@um.cc.umich.edu
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From: suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu (Suresh)
Subject: Re: UNLV Coach 
Reply-To: suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu (Suresh Kumar Vishnubhatla)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:01:38 GMT

Alan McKay writes:

>>Tell me.....how does one coach raise the level of play in a whole conference?
>>If the member institutions aren't committed to fielding competitive teams,
>>what can one guy in the desert do?  I'll tell you what Tark did....he
>>scheduled non-conference, home-and-away series with the likes of LSU,
>>North Carolina St., Louisville, Michigan St., Georgetown, Arizona, and
>>Arkansas. What's Rollie gonna do? Go knock on San Jose State's door and
>>say, "Hey, raise your level of play, will ya!" If you polled the coaches of

 And that's exactly what Rollie has to do.  Schedule non-conference games
 with decent teams.  Next year I think apart from Missouri coming to Vegas
 UNLV will play St. John's and probably UCLA.

>>the Big West, you might get various opinions regarding Tark, but I doubt 
>>that *anyone* would hold *him* responsible for the abyssmal state of 
>>conference hoops.

 UNLV and Tark should be credited for whatever little exposure the conference
 received.  Tark was pissed when the Big West Coaches voted UNLV out of the
 Big West tournament this year.  Elmore Spencer (Rebel Center) said this
 about the Big West: "The league is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e".

-- 
Suresh
UNLV Dept. of Electrical Engineering
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: 1992 national champions (Stanford Women)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:22:57 GMT


If this tournament proved anything, it was the validity of the Woofing
Theorem.

We've had some major woofs from Maryland, Virginia, and even from West
Kentoock.  All that they talked about was how Maryland will play UVa
in the finals, how WKU will beat UVa, how the ACC will sweep the post
season.  Well, I guess they were off by one or two games each.

A lot has been said about what a great coach Tara VanDerveer is.  But
you gotta admit she has some excellent players.  It's kinda scary to
think that Stanford might have not just the best center/forward tandem
in the country, but possibly the two best individual players in these
positions!  I'm talking, of course, about should-have-been player of
the year Val Whiting and should-be frosh of the year Rachel ``MC''
Hemmer.

If you're on campus, by the way, take a walk on Escondido Road and see
the huge banner on the entrance to Branner Hall:

		RACHEL HEMMER LIVES HERE!!!

I still say she should get a haircut.

--Gidi

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From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:00:25 GMT

Gidi Avrahami writes:
>rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>Well although in general I agree with T-Bone's point about the necessity
>>of profanity when trying to get some kids attention
>
>And just to make sure that I am understood here -- all jokes aside --
>I totally disgree with this idea.
>
>College kids, athletes, high schoolers, soldiers, employees, children --
>they are all people.  If the only way you can reach them is through some
>form of violence, be it verbal (profanity) or physical (bullwhips), then
>you are a very poor communicator and a horrible educator.  This applies
>to teachers, coaches, parents, army officers and bosses.
>
>The sad thing about Bob Knight and his antics is that he is giving a
>tacit blessing to profane language and corporal punishment, which by a
>very short extension lead to child abuse and similar acts of violence
>toward the weak and helpless.  And then people like T-Bone, who should
>know better, support Knight with some half-assed notion that ``those
>kids need it.''
>
>Very sad.

And if we all hug, hold hands, and hope real hard all of the problems
of the world will go away, right?

You misunderstand me. I didn't say the kids NEEDED it, but there are
certain people in this world, believe it or not, who respond well to
getting yelled and sworn at. Yes, it is true; I am one of them. Now
granted, there are not many people like me in this world [probably
the net.understatement of the year], but we do exist. I am not saying
that it is the best way to do things, just that it is A way. Now, 
before y'all get out your flamethrowers, you should look at the other
end of the spectrum: a 3-year-old kid throws a temper tantrum in a 
place while the parent says "Stop it!" and "We'll discuss this when 
we get home!" Yes I saw this last weekend up in Rocky Mountain 
National Park. And I don't think in those circumstances that having
an intellectual discussion with a human at the age where her main
thought is "MINE!" is going to solve  the real problem.

Now, I am not saying that swearing is a silver bullet which will 
get people to behave. Neither is holding their hand and using pap
p-sychology. My father only swore at me when A) I did something
INCREDIBLY idiotic that he told me not to do, or B) it was the
only way he could get through to me. I have tutored IU players
and they say that Knight usually doesn't swear in practice, 
but he does when he has had enough and gets fed up; sounds kinda
like my dad. Most people (especially those in California, that
land that reality forgot) don't see or understand this. I realize
that I am overgeneralizing here, but I don't care.

Just my $.02.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"Who needs sex anyway, if you've got your feet to play with?"
- Jos Jorsmeier
From: egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: NCAA Men's BB Rulebook
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:03:23 GMT



	Where can I get a copy of the NCAA men's basketball rulebook?


						Later,

						Brian Egras
From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:35:15 GMT
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe

> This guy should have sent me this thing by E-mail in the first
> place; it is obvious that his only intent was to get my goat.

     You exaggerate your importance, *******.
I'm tired of seeing terms like that in civilized
conversation and no longer feel like letting
them pass.  It's that simple.  I couldn't care
less about getting your goat.  There, I've
dropped your name altogether, how's that.

> First of all, I apoligize

     Thank you.  

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
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From: daweuste@rodan.acs.syr.edu (david a. weuste)
Subject: Re: NCAA Title as Player and Coach
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 10:51:06 EDT

In article <53419@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.004637.17401@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.berkeley.edu (this  is ken bowers account) writes:
>>Virginia's victory in the NIT gave Jeff Jones the distinction of
>>being the only person to win the NIT as player and coach.  After
>>reading this, I wondered how many folks had done this in the NCAA's.
>>I understand Knight was a reserve on an Ohio State championship
>>team. Wooden doesn't exactly count because his championship as player
>>came before the tournament. Anyone else fit this category, or come
>>close like Wooden?
>>
>>Ken B. 
>
>Joe B. Hall of Kentucky was a seldom-used reserve on UK's 1948-49
>national championship team (and he might have been with them for
>some of the 1949-50 team, before transferring to Sewannee).  He won
>the NCAA championship himself back in 1977-78.
>
Didn't John Thompson do this too?

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: IU's comeback.
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:26:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.145432.2918@meaddata.com> bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:

   Is the Big 10 going to be the Big 2 next year or what?  IU loses only
   Anderson and Meeks, and I think we've heard enough about how great the
   Fab 5 are.

What about Jackson and Funderburke?  Thats a pretty good team with any three
stiffs thrown in, and OSU is supposed to have a pretty good class comming in.

MSU has a several strong players returning, and are bringing in a *monster*
recruiting class.  I don't think they can solidify things as soon as next
season, since we all know that a team that relies on freshmen will have
severe problems in the Big-10 and tourney.  But you never know.

The big-10 looks to be very strong at the top, and have a number of good
contending teams next year.

Bill





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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Forecast on Big8(was Re: preseason top 10 - no order)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:25:45 GMT

jg4o+@andrew.cmu.edu (James T Graves) writes:
>I might as well point out that Kansas might be "losing" Tunstall, but
>they sure as heck won't notice.  You'll recall that he didn't play
>this past season due to academic problems.  In fact, thanks to his
>academic and disciplinary prowess, he managed to play just one year 
>of his four at KU.
> 
>The 'Hawks lose Alonzo Jamison, Malcom Nash, and David Johanning from
>the list of active players.  I beleive that Jamison was the only
>consistent starter (although counting "starters lost" on a team
>that routinely rotates 10 players in and out of a game may be a bit
>misleading).  They gain quick 5'6" Calvin Rayford, who sat out the
>year on prop 48 and promises to make the KU guard position even
>stronger than it already is.

	Has Rayford already qualified?  What are his semester grades?

>Before the end of this season, Dick Vitale was already spouting that
>he was picking Kansas #1 for next year's preseason.  I don't know
>about that (and I rather hope not.  KU underperforms when they are
>overrated.  They overperform when underrated.  I'm praying that 
>sports pundits everywhere will turn their collective backs on KU),

	It's probably going to be a toss-up of who's going to be #1,
	Kansas or Michigan.  I thought Kansas would have been #1 easy --
	but with Michigan's performance in the tourney, it will probably get
	them some votes.  In terms of their performance, I don't think that
	KU will let their ranking get to their heads -- they're going to be
	too good of a team.

>but they should be even better next year, given the guard 
>quartet of Jordan, Walters, Rayford, and Woodberry, plus the size
>of Pauley, and Ostertag.  

	Hey -- don't forget the Davis boys (Ben & Chris) and especially,
	Darrin Hancock!!!  Hancock is going to be one key player for the Hawks.
	As well as being a McDonald's All-American, he was the top small
	forward in his high school class.  He went straight to junior college
	due to his grades.  Hancock provides excellent quickness and jumping
	ability -- as well as great scoring -- and along with Chris Davis, 
	should help make up the difference lost by the graduation of Jamison.
	Look for Hancock to start & Davis to get plenty of minutes.

	It's going to be one heck of a year for Jayhawk basketball -- look
	out Big-8!

	Jazzy J	
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From: AWP00JTF@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Laettner/Brian Davis on Arsenio Hall
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:29:48 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

If anyone is interested, Christian Laettner is scheduled to be on
Arsenio Hall tonight (Monday 4-13-92).  According to the Charlotte
Observer (Sunday), Brian Davis is supposed to be on also, but
the TV listing today just lists Laettner.
 
 
JF
From: rainbow@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rob Buchner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: ncaa tourney contest
Keywords: rnd 6 - Mimi Roosli wins
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:27:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Apr7.042749.3667
Organization: Turkoise

Congratulations to Mimi Roosli who set a new tourney contest
scoring record with 86 points. Mimi was only tied for 40th
place after the first round, but after scoring 12/16, 6/8,
and 2/4 in the second, third, and fourth rounds respectfully,
Mimi held the contest lead after both rounds three and four.
Thereafter she rode the coattails of Duke to win the contest,
withstanding the late charge made by the Michigan faithful.
The weenie picks were left in the dust with only 76 points.

at 86 points:
	Mimi Roosli		(1 of 1)

at 83 points:
	Phil Kesten		(1 of 1)

at 82 points:
	Wing Lee		(1 of 1)
	Sascha Linn		(0 of 1)
	Jeff Singleton		(1 of 1)

at 81 points:
	Doug Dolven		(1 of 1)

at 80 points:
	Pete Gayde		(1 of 1)

at 79 points:
	Harvey Hou		(0 of 1)

at 78 points:
	George Jordan		(1 of 1)
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: It didn't take long...
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:38:25 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <2299@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>I'd just like to take this opportunity to invite the 95% of the people
>who read this net that wanted Duke to lose for some petty/jealous reason
>(i.e., not true UM fans, "Big Ten" fans, or those who just liked the
>Fab Five) to go directly to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

So let me see if I understand, I'm a UCLA fan, not a "true UM fan" or even
a "Big Ten" fan, so I was supposed to be rooting for Duke to win not the
Fab 5? Since when are we forbidden to aadopt a team that isn't our normal 
favorite, simply because they interest us? I mean like it or not, the 
Fab 5 was a big story and some of us found it too interesting to ignore.

>You know, it's funny, all season long I got the impression that these
>were the same people who thought UNLV's program was the greatest thing
>since sliced bread.  Duke's certainly not perfect, but our basketball

You sure got me pegged, I've been singing the praises of UNLV and Jerry
Tarkanian for years. Hell Lloyd Daniels is a fine upstanding young man
who was the victim of a massive media hoax to taint his good name because
he didn't attend a Big East school. It's that damned East Coast Media Bias
again.

The thing is some people like to cheer for the underdog, its human nature,
and if you are going to take it personally that not everyone wants Duke 
to win it every year, you're going to have a hard time. Duke has a great
program, I've said that over and over, but I still wanted Michigan to
win. Guess I go directly to hell.



Russ Smith
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Former Kentucky Mr. Basketball players
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:40:30 GMT


	Actually, this year's Mr. B winner has me thinking of winners in the
	past, the schools they attended, and the colleges they attended.
	Here's a list (as far back as I can remember).  Please add/correct
	to this list:

	1992: ???
	1991: Jermaine Brown		Fairdale		Tennessee
	1990: Dwayne Morton		Central			Louisville
	1989: Alan Houston		Ballard			Tennessee
	1988: Richie Farmer		Clay County		Kentucky
	1987: John Pelphrey		Paintsville		Kentucky
	1986: Rex Chapman		Apollo			Kentucky
	1985: Tony Kimbro		Seneca			Louisville
	1984: Steve Miller		Henry Clay		Western Ky.
	1983: Winston Bennett		Male			Kentucky
	1982: Todd May			Virgie			Kentucky
	1981: ???
	1980: ???
	1979: ???
	1978: Dirk Minniefield		Lafayette		Kentucky

	Seems like recently, the winners have been going out of state.
	My bets on 1993 are Jason Osbourne (Male) and Darnell Burton (Dunbar).
	My vote is for Burton (Lexington bias).

	Jazzy J
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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
    <1992Apr9.232553.4946@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:23:32 GMT
Organization: The Puzzle Palace, UKentucky
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr9.232553.4946@cs.rose-hulman.edu> neierka@cs.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.155323.10496@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>|> And by the way - wasn't the most enjoyable part of the TV coverage when
>|> they put that Kentucky legend (Haywood something - sorry Kentucky fans) and
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^
>                                          Jefferies

Haywood Jefferies????!!

I hate to break it to you guys, but it's *Cawood Ledford* <genuflection>.

Remember that name; it will lend you instant credibility in almost every
part of Kentucky.  To wit:

  Traveller's Car: <BOOM!>  <SPRZZZZZ!>  <TWONG!>
  <car coasts into small rural Kentucky grocery/gas/video/fertilizer store>
  Traveller <entering store>: Is there a mechanic around?
  Proprietor: <spits> Maybe.... <eyes out-of-state license plate of car>
  Traveller: Hey, I might be from the North, but I used to listen to Cawood
             Ledford!
  Everyone in Store: CAWOOD! <remove hats> <quick bow toward Lexington>
  Proprietor: Come on in, have a cup of coffee; we'll get Clem over to fix
              your car right quick....that scum-sucker Laettner shoulda been
              outta there.........

Don't laugh; this could happen to you!

I'll let this one go IF you bow toward Lexington and sing the Kentucky fight
song at the top of your lungs in your local Student Center/Quad/Commons/what-
ever you Rose-Hulman folks have up there........8)

Wes

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From: alan@hercules.acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke is the right one baby...
Date: 5 Apr 92 05:48:37 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Originator: alan@north7.acpub.duke.edu

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                             ,

DUKE OVER INDIANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!   NEXT (AND FINAL!) VICTIM, MICHIGAN!!!!!!

BLUE DEVILS - SWEET REPEAT '92!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
               Alan M. Gallatin <alan@hercules.acpub.duke.edu>
                  Duke University School of Law; Durham, NC

THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE ARE NOT OPINIONS!  THEY ARE STATEMENTS OF FACT!!!
IF YOU DON'T LIKE 'EM, TOUGH!!!
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