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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:47:09 -0700
From:         MACEYTAY@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

I would like to point out that when you type "r" or whatever for "reply",
you can SEE who it's going to.  With one exception (TESL-L), all the lists
I am on default to the list, not to the individual sender.  But that does
not matter in this issue because you can see at once who the recipient
is.  If that's not the recipient you want, you can abort.

You can set "acknowledgement" yourself if it is not the default on the list,
which it is on SLART-L, apparently, because my messages are always
acknowledged and I have not set this.

Macey Taylor   maceytay@ccit.arizona.edu
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From:         "(Hedy M. McGarrell)" <hmcgarre@SPARTAN.AC.BROCKU.CA>

set slart-l ack

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
Hedy McGarrell, Department of Applied Language Studies, Brock University
                    hmcgarre@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca
                       416-688-5550  ext. 3374
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From:         TWXIE@UCDAVIS.BITNET
Subject: Re: e-mail Charles Stansfield

> Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:17:41 EDT
> From: LENGUA@FSU.BITNET
> Subject:      e-mail Charles Stansfield
> To: Tim Xie <TWXIE@aggie.ucdavis.edu>
>
> Does anybody out there in SLART-L country have an e-mail address for Charles
> Stansfield at the Center for Applied Linguistics (I think he is still there)?
> -------------------------------------------------
> Frank B. "Pete" Brooks
> Florida State University
> (904) 644-3240
> e-mail:  lengua@fsu.BITNET
> -------------------------------------------------
>

Try cal@guvax.georgetwon.edu to contact Charles Stansfield.

I am not sure if this address has been updated. Try it and it doesn't hurt.
Tim Xie
UCD
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:15:00 CDT
From:         Bill Davies <BLALWDWY@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Interactive Video for ESL

I am looking for information on existing interactive video packages
for use with ESL learners.  I've been able to find very little thus
far, but I've been told that such instructional materials exist.  If
you know of any (or of any in the works), I would appreciate the
information.  Thanks very much.  Bill Davies
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:58:14 CDT
From:         "(Russ Bacon)" <bacon@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: echoed posts
              DEIL, UIUC" at Sep 30, 92 12:30 pm

> Thanks, Brian, for your suggestion to set SLART-L to echo posts
> to the sender.  Can we get some more votes/comments on this?  Thanks.
>
> -Fred Davidson, SLART-L Mgr
>
> (post votes/comments to SLART-L)
>
Fred, Brian, et. al.,

I believe it is possibly to tell the server to send replies, or at least
acknowledgments to you when you post mail to the listserver.  The command,
issued within a mail message (NO SUBJECT HEADER) should say:

set SLART-L ack

This will cause the listserver to acknowledge a post to the list.

Hope this helps.

Russ Bacon
--
I forsee a world where human difference is a cause for celebration instead
of fear; a cornucopia rather than a jar of oil and vinegar.  Wm Blake at 17
---------------------------------------------------------------///---------
Russell Bacon - ESL Instructor, linguist, cultureophile       ///  Have you
Bacon@odin.unomaha.edu    Univ. of Nebraska at Omaha     \\\ ///    tried
FIPSR1207@bestsd.sdsu.edu                                 \\XX/  an AMIGA??
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From:         "LLOYD HOLLIDAY, LA TROBE UNIV,
              EDUCATION" <EDULH@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

Well folks:
set slart-l repro
works. I now get copies of what I post to the LIST. Only trouble is
I am also getting duplicate acknowledgement messages. perhaps I now
want to turn that feature off, as Macey Taylor suggested. Thus Fred
it seems folks who want messages echo can do those that don't needn't have.
Same probably goes for acknowledgement. You choose your varity and flavor :)
Needs to be included in LIST WELCOME and Monthly message.

"Voting is redundant in the land of infinite choice" Welcome to the
21st century politics.

Lloyd Holliday
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From:         "(Brian Teaman)" <teaman@UNAGI.CIS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: echoed posts
              30, 92 4:58 pm

> Fred, Brian, et. al.,
>
> I believe it is possibly to tell the server to send replies, or at least
> acknowledgments to you when you post mail to the listserver.  The command,
> issued within a mail message (NO SUBJECT HEADER) should say:
>
> set SLART-L ack
>
> This will cause the listserver to acknowledge a post to the list.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Russ Bacon

Actually, Russ, I got an acknowledgement even though I didn't specify ACK.  It
seems to be a default.  The ACKnowledgement, though, doesn't let you see what
was sent to the world.  If you make a mistake and send only a header or a
misformatted letter or make another embarrassing mistake, you won't know.
Hence an ECHO of the full contents has many more advantages over the simple
ACK.

Brian
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:40:16 -0700
From:         MSNAFEH@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

I think it would be a good idea to echo posts back to the sender. for
instance, at this very moment I'm not really sure if this is only going to
go to Fred Davidson adn not the entire list. It would be instructive to
know when a message gets sent to everyone.
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Subject:      RE: Listening comprehension

e-mail Mary Call Call@apollo.montclair.edu
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:01:58 EDT
From:         Hideo Tomita <htomita@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: echoed posts
              "MACEYTAY%ARIZVMS.BITNET@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU" at Sep 30,
              92 5:11 pm

Whoever wants to get his own message echoed to himself can set the parameter
as follows.

set slart-l repro       (with the opposite option being nonrepro)

The above command should be addressed to listserv@psuvm. I believe this
parameter is not listserv-specific, but an individual option at any list.
--
Hideo Tomita
Kenyon College/OSU
Tomita@Kenyon.edu
HTomita@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From:         CRANDALL@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU
Subject:      RE: Interactive Video for ESL

From:  Jodi Crandall, UMBC

Several years back, Allene Grognet and I developed an interactive video program
in ESL (actually ESP) for petroleum workers in Indonesia entitled "Skilpac:
English for Industry."  Unfortunately, since it was proprietary, it would not
be available  wider use.  Allene may know of other programs which are
available, however.  Contact her at CAL, Sunbelt Office, 7069 Tamiami Trail,
Sarasota, FL 34231; phone 813-921-2183; fax 813-924-3215.  I don't believe she
is on e-mail.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:21:28 CDT
From:         adcohen@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject:      phone numbers for Mark Clarke

Mark Clarke (mclarke@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu) requests the following
phone numbers if anyone out there knows them.  Also notice my e-mail
address has changed slightly.

Here are the people Mark Clarke wants phone numbers for:

Fred Genesee
Fred Erickson
Henry Trueba
Concha Delgado-Gaitan

Thanks on his behalf and send the response directly to his e-mail address.
--
DR. ANDREW D. COHEN
ESL, 126 Klaeber Ct, U of Minnesota, 320 16th Ave SE, Mpls, MN 55455
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From:         "Cathy Ball" <CBALL@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Position at Georgetown

This weekend I posted to SLART and TESL-L an announcement of an Applied
Linguistics position at Georgetown, but I haven't seen it appear yet.
Has anyone seen this? If not, I'll repost. Thanks!

 -- Cathy Ball (cball@guvax.georgetown.edu)
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From:         adcohen@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Technology in lang. instruction

On the use of e-mail in L2 writing classrooms, Don, check the TESL e-mail
network.  There are people there who have experience.
--
DR. ANDREW D. COHEN
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From:         "Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" <DAVIDSON@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Position at Georgetown

[From Fred Davidson, SLART-L Manager]

I believe that the problem, Cathy, is that the *poster* of a message
often does not then *receive* as a *subscriber*.  At least that is
how SLART-L is set up.  TESL-L: are you the same way?  Anyhow, I saw
the post on SLART-L.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
This weekend I posted to SLART and TESL-L an announcement of an Applied
Linguistics position at Georgetown, but I haven't seen it appear yet.
Has anyone seen this? If not, I'll repost. Thanks!

 -- Cathy Ball (cball@guvax.georgetown.edu)
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From:         MACEYTAY@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

No echoed posts.  We already get an acknowledgement that the message
has een distributed to the list.  That's 1 more unnecessary piece of
mail, but at least it's easily identifiable.

Macey Taylor  maceytay@ccit.arizona.edu
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:44:00 MST
From:         ROBIN@BOOTES.UNM.EDU
Subject:      L2 Interactive Video Info.

It's nice to see that some interest in Interactive Video Disc (IVD)
technology is beginning to surface.  I've figured out why there is
so little published re: IVD and L2 teaching--due to the high cost
of IVD production, most of the research has been in the business
 area (esp. managerial training).  In-house training IVD's are
kept in house and the idea of sharing successful techniques does
not seem to interest alot of companies.  In any event, there are still
quite a surprising number of sources I've discovered in my personal
search for dissertation purposes (using video and IVD for L2 assess-
ment, particularly with simulations and roleplaying in terms of
sociolinguistic competence).  Here's some good places to go for info:

	SALT, Society for Applied Learning TEchnology
	50 Culpepper ST.  Warrenton, VA 22186 (703) 347-0055

	CALICO Journal's annual survey of Interactive Language
	Vido Discs (THIS IS GREAT!!!)--see CALICO Journal 1991, vol 8
	(pp.65-93)


	Brigham Young University:  Dept. of Communications (Larrie Gale)
	E-509 HFAC, Provo, Utah 84602 (801) 378-2077
	NOTE:  the "Montevidisco" IVD has been especially praised. Contact
	Junius Bennion at BYU or Ed Schneider at Peacham Pedagogics,
	19 Greenwood Ave., Madison, NJ 07940 (201) 822-3651--see L. Gale's
	article on Montevidisco in the CALICO Journal (vol. 1) 1983 pp.42-46

	For ESL courses, I've been given the following contact :
		Carla Meskill, Univ. of Mass-Harbor Campus
		Boston, MA 02125
		(617) 929-8439

	For IVD in general, SALT gave me these leads:
		Int'l Television Assn., Interactive Video SPecial
			Interest Group
		6311 N. O'connor Rd.
		LB51
		Irvington, TX 75039 (214) 869-2980

		IICS, Int'l Interactive Communications SOciety
		PO Box 1862, Lake Oswego, OR 97035


Finally, a few articles that I've found helpful for justifying use of IVDs
include:
--Ives, William (1990).  Computerizing the development of interpersonal
	skills.  Instructional Delivery Systems, 4 (2), 12-15.
--Gale, Larrie E. & Brown, Bruce L. (1985).  A theory of learning
	and skill acquisition applied to interactive video:  activities
	at the David O. Mckay Institute, BYU.  SSLA, 5, 105-114.
--McCoy, Ingeborg H. & Weible, David M. (1983).  Foreign Languages and
	the new media:  the videodisc and the microcomputer.  In C. JAmes
	(Ed.), Practical Applications of reasearch in Foreign LANguage
	Teaching (pp.105-152).  National Textbook Co.
--Wyatt, David H. (1984).  ESL applications of the computer controlled
	videodisc player.  Computers and the Humanities, 18, 243-249.

See SYSTEM and TEchnoloical Horizons in Education (THE) journals as well!

I hope this is the kind of info. you were after.

	Robin Zuskin
	Univ. of New MExico--ESL Writing PRogram
	3080 Mesa Vista, CIMTE Dept.
	ALbuquerque, NM 87131-1241
	e-mail:  robin@bootes.unm.edu
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From: htomita@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Hideo Tomita)
Subject: Nation's article on vocab. teaching
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:11:51 GMT


Slart-subscribers:

	Following is a request for infomation that I posted before last summer
on behalf of my friend. Some  subscribers indicated interests in the article
described below and asked to post a reslut of the inquiry. My friend 
identified the article as shown at the bottom of this mail
(I have been holding this information for a good timing.)

Thank you again for those who helped us.

---------------
I am looking for an article by
Hwang & Nation.  I found it in Nation's book "Teaching & Learning Vocabulary"
(1990,  p. 189).  In that book, it was "forthcoming," and the title of the
article was not provided.  It should be published somewhere by now.  Could you
locate it when you have time?  The following is a description of Hwang & Nation
(forthcoming) taken from Nation (1990).

      "Research by Hwang and Nation (forthcoming) on newspaper stories found
that, if learners read a series of related stories, the vocabulary load was
reduced compared with if they read a similar number of unrelated newspaper
stories.  If proper nouns were added to the first 2000 words, learners would
have a 95 percent coverage of the vocabulary from the second story on in a set
of follow-up stories." (p. 189)
---------

The article I was looking for was:
     Hwang Kyongho and Paul Nation (1989)
     Reading in a Foreign Language, 6, 323-335.






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From:         "LLOYD HOLLIDAY, LA TROBE UNIV,
              EDUCATION" <EDULH@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

This is a test, having sent the message to the listserv:
set slart-l repro
Does it?
BTW to the poster about personal mail on the list. I agree personal
mail should be sent direct. Some folks make mistakes. But are all
the messages personal, some of us like to see the responses to
queries as we LEARN additional info. in this way. What I find NB is
that there be appropriate subject headers. And LO in the case of the
complainant about too much personal email THERE WAS *NO* subject header.
If a thread about some topic has started that I am not interested
in I can simply delete all messages with that subject header.

Lloyd Holliday
edulh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
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From:         mmg1083@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Spanish and English syntax compared

Does anyone know of any recent contrastive analyses of Spanish and English
syntax?  Thank you in advance.
Montserrat Mir                           Office: (217)244-8194
Educational Psychology                   Home: (217)355-0040
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I would like to set up an e-mail dialog for my 4th-yr German students at
Michigan State with students in Germany.  Suggestions on getting a contact
address over there?  Thanks.  Patrick M. McConeghy, Professor of German, Dept.
of Linguistics and Languages, MSU, E. Lansing, MI 48824-1027.
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From:         Richard Pemberton <LCRPEM@USTHK.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

I agree with Macey. I already get an acknowledgment that the message has
gone out to the list.



Richard Pemberton

Language Centre,                           e-mail: lcrpem@usthk.ust.hk
Hong Kong University                               lcrpem@usthk.bitnet
of Science + Technology,                      fax: 852 335 0249
Clear Water Bay,                              tel: 852 358 7848
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From:         vanpatte@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Spanish and English syntax compared

There is a more structuralist and traditional comparative English-Spanish
contrast written by Sam Hill. It is published by University Press.

_______________________________________________
Bill VanPatten
Spanish, Italian and Portuguese
The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
vanpatte@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
(send email for mailing address)
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:16:57 CDT
From:         adcohen@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Interactive Video for ESL
              University" at Oct 6, 92 2:32 pm

About the interactive video disk program in Spanish (I think it's
called Alice), contact Barbara Freed, Modern Languages Program,
Carnegie Mellon U. -- tel. 412-268-2892, fax 412-268-5288.  She
can put you on to the people who are actually developing the program, and
she herself has been involved to some extent.
--
DR. ANDREW D. COHEN
ESL, 126 Klaeber Ct, U of Minnesota, 320 16th Ave SE, Mpls, MN 55455
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From:         MACEYTAY@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: echoed posts

Re Lloyd's "threads".

You could if anybody could quickly remember how to type the list name
and send rather than reply and thus be able to change the header.  I
know some people can cursor up, but if I can, I don't know how on this
system.  I wish I did because I am LONG used to always being in a full-
screen editing environment and HATE this editor.

Macey Taylor  maceytay@ccit.arizona.edu
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Anonymous wants to know whether there is a demand for SLA researchers
in less-commonly-taught languages, and how to make expertise in SLA
attractive to search committees unfamiliar with this area;  s/he also
asks about alternative careers to FL teacher positions.

The central point I would like to make is that such individuals are
or ought to be in great demand in SLA/applied linguistics departments
around the world, particularly since the field of SLA has to date been
overdominated by researchers who have emphasized the MORE commonly
taught languages as TL.  In a field which wants to make claims about
universality of SLA, it is CRUCIAL for researchers into the acquisition
of less-commonly-learned target languages to publish their work and
enter into the dialogue of this field.  So the first thing is to get
your work published, and make it clear that your data has something to
say to the field of SLA which is very important.

When departments are literature or linguistics governed, I would make
the point that SLA IS a part of linguistics;  this should not then be
a problem.  If you have publications in good applied linguistics and
SLA journals, I think that ought to speak for itself.  If search
committees have questions about the scholarly merit of particular
journals in which you have published, I would ask the editors of the
particular journals to write the search committee a letter documenting
that scholarly merit (e.g. number of papers received and accepted, how
the referee process works, breadth of circulation of the journal and
the universities which list it, and so on).  I would also make the
point that SLA research IS a part of linguistics, and is NOT L2
teaching research;  sometimes other academics get SLA research
confused with SL teaching research.  You might quote one or another
encyclopedia of language and linguistics' entry on SLA or on interlanguage.

As to whether there is a threshold number of learners before the market
will bear SLA researchers, I am not sure.  I wonder whether the
particular language is important here.  For example, I think there is
a growing field of research in Japan on the acquisition of Japanese
as an L2, and maybe this is because more people are learning Japanese?
Or maybe not.  I don't know.

Hope this helps.
Elaine Tarone
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From:         "Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" <DAVIDSON@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      'un-ack'

Re. Macey's request: the command to turn off 'ack' is

   set slart-l noack

-F.D.
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