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From: rowlands@ra.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jon Rowlands)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Software Rip-offs, 1992-07-13
Reply-To: rowlands@csc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands)
Organization: Texas Instruments, SPDC, DSP Technology Branch, Dallas
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:49:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.135733.20190@Princeton.EDU>,
miyazaki@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Takeshi Miyazaki) writes:
  In article <4s4PoB17w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
  >Also, did they say whether the international version costs any more?
  
  No. I thought that it will be a minimal cost.
  
  >Oh, and why do they bother having two versions in the first place?
  
  Agreed. There are many smarter ways to prevent people from purchasing
  software from mail order houses overseas. One way is to restrict
  upgrade of the customers who bought from the U.S. To check the country
  code of system file is a brain damaged way, since it is irrelevant to
  the place you use the software.

What about us folks who currently live in the US, though 'home' is
Australia, or the UK or wherever. Does this mean that software we buy
to use in the US will be unusable or unupgradable when we go home? There
are plenty of inconsistencies with this scheme.

If it's more cost effective for someone overseas to buy from a US
mail order dealer, then shouldn't this be seen as an opportunity for
a new low-overhead dealership overseas, rather than this silly
protectionist approach?

I own Autodoubler, and I like it a lot. But if Salient deliberately
makes it inconvenient for me, well, there are other similar products.
-- 
Jon Rowlands			email: rowlands@csc.ti.com
Texas Instruments		phone: 1-214-995-3436
SPDC, DSP Technology Branch	  fax: 1-214-995-0304
Dallas, Texas, USA
From: ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Anybody know anything about SOFT PC WINDOWS?
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:06:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.ajross.712181176

tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

>lie6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jonathan A. Lieberman) writes:
>>Copyright (c) 1992          | People demand freedom of speech to make up 
>>Jonathan Lieberman          | for the freedom of thought which they avoid.
>>lie6@midway.uchicago.edu    |                        -Kierkegaard
>I know two things;
>1.  MacWeek said that Insignia is coming out with a SoftPC Windows.
>2.  Microsoft licensed elements of SoftPC for use in Windows NT, my guess is
>that Insignia got permission or the information neccesary to produce a
>Windows emulator as part of this deal.  
>-Terry

Just out of curiosity, what elements of SoftPC did microsoft licence?

Andy Ross
ajross @husc.harvard.edu
                                                         that's right, no .sig
From: speers@micro-c.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: ResEdit & IBM BBS
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:21:57 EDT
Organization: Dan's Domain, Randolph, New Jersey

  I am a SYSOP of a BBS whose primary user base are poeple with
DOS based systems.
  One of my users has a MAC and likes to download and view GIF
files.  He uses ResEdit change the TYPE and CREATOR of the
image file in order to view an image created with a DOS based
image system.
  He wants to upload files that are in, i suppose, native MAC
GIF format to my system, but he wants to convert them to a 
format that I can view.
  The type ResEdit says it is reading in (from my system) is
text and the creator is MACA.  He changes these to GIFf and 8IBM
in order to view the image.
  He tried changing it back and then sending to me, but it
failed.

  Please send suggestions to:   speers@micro-c.mcds.com

Thanks!
From: eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:37:13 GMT
Subject: IIsi price reduction?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps

  Has anyone heard the rumor that the price of the Mac IIsi & ci will be
dropped in August?  Can anyone confirm this?  If so, when will Apple make an
official announcement and when will the price decrease actually occur?

Thanks.

ESL
HPSAD/MID
ID
@RP
From: sasaki@physics20 (Yutaka Sasaki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Japanese Word Processors
Date: 30 Jul 1992 05:16:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics20.berkeley.edu

In article <ackerman-290792181726@ackerman.niddk.nih.gov> ackerman@helix.nih.gov (Eric Ackerman) writes:
>Does anyone know a good Japanese word processor and where it can be
>obtained in the US?
>
>A Japanese postdoc told me that the Japanese fonts found on the BMUG CD
>would only be useful for a childlike-type of Japanese communication.  He
>said that most Japanese word processors have a relatively simplified
>keyboard that is used for composing the first version of a document.  Then
>it is necessary for the word processor to transcribe this first version
>into the more sophisticated Japanese/Chinese characters.  Apparently the
>program prompts users when ambiguities arise.  Are such programs available
>in the US that run under System 7?  How about System 6?  Naturally we'd
>prefer not to install a Japanese version of System 6 or 7 (assuming they
>exist) in order to run the Japanese word processor.

The function you are mentioning is usualy supported by the part of system
called Front End Processor (FEP).  Japanese version of MacOS called Kanji-
Talk contains this part as a cdev.  The official latest version of this OS is
KanjiTalk6.0.7 or 6.0.7.1.  There also is PDS program called gomtalk which
patches System7 to combine System7 and KanjiTalk6.0.7.  These two system
is the normal way to use Japanese on Mac.  You also need to get a word
processor specialized to Japanese.  Since there are too much Kanji to
handle by the normal 1byte code, KanjiTalk is using 2bytes code to handle
each character.  This difference is very big and you really need special
system to handle it.  Well it is too early to be dissapointed.
There is another solution.  Tokyo based company A&A is making system-extension
for system7 to handle 2bytes code.  This product is called SweetJAM and
you can find out their advertizement on MacWorld/MacUser.  This extension
will give the capability of handling 2bytes code and FEP.  Nice thing is
that all the menu remains in English and you can use many English application
to handle full set of Japanese characters without changing them to Japanese
version.  For example you can use MS-Word as a Japanese word processor,
which is not the case under KanjiTalk.  This method has much less amount of
incompatibility problem than KanjiTalk.  Try them.

Yutaka Sasaki                         (sasaki@physics.berkeley.edu)
From: tacketta@oregon.uoregon.edu (Tackett Austin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: AutoDoubler, MoreDiskSpace...
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.23JUL199212345158
Organization: University of Oregon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am looking for info on software like AutoDoubler and MoreDiskSpace. What has
been your experience with it? Is it fast enough? Transparent enough? Does it
compress enough? Does it cause horrible system crashes & incompatabilities?

Please email, as I don't have too much time for this area.
Thanks in advance,
Tackett Austin  University of Oregon

tacketta@oregon.uoregon.edu
From: ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Zterm help please.
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:53:09 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY


  Hey, while we're talking about Z-Term, l;et me ask something of 
  everyone out there. I had to stop using Z-Term because it would
  randomly drop characters - I'd recieve a line that looked like this:

  Thss wt a lin cvd might have lkd like.
  (This is what a line I received might have looked like.)

  Has anyone else run into this?

  Is there a fix? If there is, I would be overjoyed to know it.          

  Ken
From: RUSHING@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: questions about upgrades, academic editions, registration, etc
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:00:24 GMT
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING

In article <1992Jul29.175736.16693@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
buckc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Carolyn Buck-Gengler) writes:
 
>         EG, what if I had bought word 4.0, now want word 5.0, it is
>cheaper to buy the full acad package than the upgrade, so I have two
>versions of word, 4.0 and 5.0.  What do I do with the 4.0?  (It would
>NOT be an issue at that point of buying cheap and selling at a profit
>for less than a normal store.)  I want to be legal and do the right
>thing, but I don't want to be stupid and miss out on perfectly legal
>ways to save money and not get more than I need or spend more than
>is necessary.
>
>Thank you for any and all advice!
>Send email, or post if you think it is of general interest...
>
>Carolyn Buck-Gengler
>buckc@ucsu.colorado.edu
 
I just thought I'd tell you about my experiences with the Word
4/Word 5 upgrade.  I owned a legal academic copy of Word 4.
My understanding when I purchased this copy was that I
would not be eligible to purchase an upgrade at the same
price as an owner of a commercial version of Word 4.  When
Microsoft came out with Word 5, I was sent cards asking me
if I wanted to spend $125 for an upgrade to Word 5 (the same
deal being offered to Word 4 commercial owners.)  I declined,
and a month later our campus reseller offered Word 5/academic
version for $85.  I quickly purchased it.  Since the fine print
on my purchase of Word 4 from the campus re-seller said I
could not re-sell anything I buy for one year and since I'd
had Word 4 for one and a half years, I promptly sold my copy
of Word 4 to someone for $45.  So I effectively upgraded for
$40.  My experience says (at least w/Microsoft) go with the
academic version.
 
     Tim Rushing (rushing@wsuvm2.csc.wsu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Stallman & lawyers (was Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:45:33 GMT

Please ... this is an interesting subject on which reasonable
folks differ, but the subject line has reached critical mass
in terms of flame-potential.  No newsgroup, no matter how 
civilized, can be expected to handle subjects like Stallman,
FSF, lawyers, and software piracy all in one thread -- 
and comp.sys.mac.apps wouldn't be the right place anyway.

Those interested in electronic freedom issues might check out
comp.org.eff and the Electronic Freedom Foundation.

Those interested in free software and alternatives to current
commercial software licensing and copyright practice can drop
in on gnu.misc.discuss, or grab introductory info by anonymous  
ftp from the many sites like wuarchive.wustl.edu (in /mirrors/gnu) 
which mirror the (busy) FSF archive site.  

Those interesting in learning more about lawyers should consult
a professional therapist.  ;-)
-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Stallman & lawyers (was Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?)
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<D88-JWA.92Jul28141636@dront.nada.kth.se> <22059@venera.isi.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:17:13 GMT

> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:

   If these were so trivial, why hadn't they been invented before they
   were?  Many things look trivial in hindsight... It's impossible to say
   what is "trivial" and what is "elegant," in many cases.


THEY WERE ! However, the patent office lacks sufficient skill
to decide what's obvious to a skilled practitioner of the art,
since computer science isn't supposed to be patentable.

   >Implementations of algorithms may be patentable, but if I
   >sit down, think about how to do something, and then do it

   Where did you get the idea to sit down and think about it?  Did you
   see someone else do domething great, and all you're thinking about is
   how to rip it off?  I don't see that as particularaly defendible.

No. If someone says "I have this byte stream, and I want to
transmit it as fast as possible" I (may) sit down and think
up a solution, an ALGORITHM, and implement it on my own. That
work should NOT be considered to infringe on any patent.
In comp. sci. it OFTEN happens that once you get a problem,
the easy, clean solution is easy to find; I think more so than
in "traditional" engineering fields.

Or am I just incredibly bright to have independently "invented"
the XOR cursor, LZ-77 compression with hashing and many other
techniques under debate, before I was 20 ? (i.e. before I knew you
could actually look stuff up in books :-)

   If you came up with it on your own, then you should be in the clear,
   right?

No, since presently, if someone else came up with the same
thing, he might have weasled it through an unskilled patent
officer (in comp sci, that is) and sue me. Hell, in America,
I'd probably be sued anyway :-(

-- 
      Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden
                  h+@nada.kth.se    +46-10-141652

              My cat usually runs around on the roof.
From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Copyrights and piracy...
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:33:38 EST
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5


In article <1992Jul21.180343.4066@newstand.syr.edu> (comp.sys.mac.apps), ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper) writes:
>  I have  a slight feeling that I'm going to be flamed.
>
>  Screw the rights of the performers. It's the age of information. Unless a 
>  person is making money from or passing off another's work as his own, I don't
>  think it's a problem.

Essentually, what YOU are doing is OK, but what those evil nasty PROFIT
MAKERS are doing is bad?  Despite the fact that you are both doing
the same thing?

Somehow, there seems to be a flaw in that logic.

Look, If you insist that you have some *RIGHT* to the benefit of someone
else's labour without compensating the person who is doing the work,
there is not a damn thing that anyone can do to catch you, unless
you do something really stupid and call attention to yourself.  By
the same token, you can usually get away with shoplifting (but it's
OK as long as you don't sell it afterward.  Right.).

I cannot speak for all of the other software developers out there.
Many have different oppinions about the subject.  Speaking for myself
though, if I could not make money off of developing software, I would
not do it full time.  I would not bust my balls, risk my job, etc,
to ensure that the software that I do develop is the absolute best
product that I can possibly produce.  Most likely, I would go into
some other profession, one that I could make money from, and only
develop software as a hobby, and then, only for my benefit, if at
all.

When you pirate software, you are a leach on other people's honesty,
their willingness to give compensation for benefit received.  Forget
all of the legal bullshit.  I offer, without proof, that taking the
benefits of someone else's labour, of someone else's moral code is
a wrong that is being committed on both the labourer and the person
who provided honest compensation for goods and services received.

Think about it.

+C


-------------------------------------------------------------
Cory Kempf                    EnigamI, Inc.
cory@enigami.mv.com           ...!decvax!enigami!cory
Annon:	wi.5036@wizvax.methuen.ma.us

"F' cryin' out loud, it's *your* life; shouldn't you at least examine 
your lifestyle values to see if they are really what *you* want."
										--Keith Lim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: bx341@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert E. Winston)
Subject: Re: White Knight 11.11
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 04:38:13 GMT


  >       I have seen upgrade patches to take White Knight up to
  >v11.14. Unfortunately, I have version 11.11. The patch that I
  >have found to go to 11.12 is designed to come from 11.10!
  >Does anyone know of a patch that will get me out of 11.11?


From umich: (try wuarchive.wustl.edu in the
mirrors/archive.umich.edu/mac directory or 
shavenyak.css.itd.umich.edu)

 UP/WHITKN12     13     5/19/92    BinHex4.0,Compact1.3.2
 /mac/utilities/updates/whitek11.12updater.cpt.hqx
 
               Updates the White Knight terminal program 
               from 11.11 - 11.12.  Requires UP/PUPDCRPT
 
 UP/WHITKN13     341     4/25/92    BinHex4.0,StuffitDeluxe
 /mac/utilities/updates/whitek11.13updater.sit.hqx
 
               Updates the White Knight terminal program 
               from 11.12 - 11.13.
 
 UP/WHITKN14      50     5/10/92    BinHex4.0,Compact1.3.2
 /mac/utilities/updates/whitek11.13updater.cpt.hqx
 
               Updates the White Knight terminal program 
               from 11.13 - 11.14.  Requires UP/PUPDCRPT

____
Robert E. Winston      usr4818a@tso.uc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: clarkma@spot.Colorado.EDU (CLARK MARK ALAN)
Subject: Re: Copyrights and piracy...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:01:23 GMT

In a previous article 
 mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) 22 Jul 92 writes

>In article <1992Jul21.180343.4066@newstand.syr.edu>, ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu
> (Ken Alper) writes:
>
>>
>>   I have  a slight feeling that I'm going to be flamed.
>>
>>   Screw the rights of the performers. It's the age of information. Unless a
>>   person is making money from or passing off another's work as his own, I don
't
>>   think it's a problem. Hey, Matt Groening, my Mac says "Working is for Chump
s."
>>   Do you and Nancy Cartwright give a shit?
>>
>>   Didn't think so.

>What if he decides to market a disk full of sounds from The Simpsons and you
>have already copied those sounds to your disk, so you don't need to buy his
>disk?

He is free to do so, but network sponsors paid him to allow us free access to 
his show.  I have a vcr and am not disallowed by law from taping his work.  I 
may then use it for whatever purpose I like, IN MY OWN HOME and NOT FOR PROFIT.
His disks would probably be of higher sound quality and some people might be 
willing to pay for that added quality, but after it leaves the tv studio, it
is out of his control.

>Sounds from Star Trek are on the market now.  That means a lost sale to
>people who have already copied those sounds from videotape or off the
>air.

That's too bad, if you want a pretty box and a high quality copy, you are 
free to buy them.  Otherwise, feel free to watch the re-runs, they'll never 
stop, they may however have their syndication rights sold to a 24-hour Trek
Channel or something in the future.  Get them while they are still free.
Remember that ("I Love What You Do For Me") Toyota and ("All-Tempa") Cheer and
others are making it possible and support them by buying their products, thus
allowing them to bring us more fine (?) re-runs and new programming.

>There is no difference between copying those sounds and copying executable
>software.  You're right; this is the age of information--however, that makes
>information a commodity to be bought and sold.  By taking it for free without
>the permission of the owner, you are robbing from him.

If a detergent or auto manufacturer was also paying for my free access to 
executable software then I would feel free to use it at home and enjoy it 
with my friends and family.  You are (of course, IMO) arguing from an incorrect
position.  Do you see the difference?  I hope so.

>You're also right that you're going to be flamed--rightfully so, IMO.

Nah.

all opinions expressed herein are just that, opinions

mark clark (clarkma@spot.colorado.edu) 

Have a nice day    B^{)
From: al@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Andy Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: On Cue followup
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:53:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

For those of you who don't know, 'On Cue' is an application
lauching DA, in which one can go to the menu bar to launch
'user defined' applications without opening all those folders
to find the application your looking for.

-- 
Andy Lee
al@ucsd.edu
From: miyazaki@oink.Princeton.EDU (Takeshi Miyazaki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: ThoughtPattern? Any Good?
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:49:11 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Jul24.132419.21162@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> rufat@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jorge Rufat 283-4308) writes:
>One of my objectives in using TP was to make a flat bibliography
>file a little smarter. The file is 672k. I tried to import the 
>file into TP (there is a command to do that in the package), but
>TP complained about lack of application memory. At the highest
>application memory I could afford, 3870, I could only afford to
>import about 50k. <-(


Recently I also bought TP. And I also had a trouble importing my
address list. This is a Excel file, (each cell is address, name, phone
number, etc.) and I saved as a text format to import. My address list
use Japanese characters, so it might be the reason. But everytime I
tried to import this file, TP freeze at the middle.

Also TP can not sort items, by the content of the field (text). It was
surprising to me. I made one TP database, whose first line is the
subject line. So I thought it would be useful, if I could sort items
by subject line. This would also be useful for address book database.
(sort by name or address, for example.)

Other than this, TP is a nice product.

-- 
Takeshi Miyazaki (miyazaki@ee.princeton.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Stallman & lawyers (was Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.012302.3009@unixland.natick.ma.us>, cramer@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Cramer)  writes...
>From what I read in the paper last week it would appear that some courts
>are exercising some common sense in the look-n-feel copyright area.  I
>don't have the article handy (I'll dig around) but from what I can
>recollect, the gist was that things that are obvious (like making
>a spreadsheet look like, well, a spreadsheet) were not copyrightable,
>nor were basic screen layout (like menu positions).  Blatent things 
>like using "/-T-L-F1" (or whatever 1-2-3 key sequences look like)
>were another story.  The article also mentioned patents, but I don't
>remember any specifics.

I have a question then. What is somebody had a sequence of \-T-L-F1. Would this 
be judged as different or would it be judged as the same basic key sequence? I 
say this to indicate how stupid I think look-n-feel copyrights and lawsuits are.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Mac Nut"