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From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 00:53:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Bulgarian women, having a problem finding a Bulgarian man?  I am 
about to launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  Thanks 
to the imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than gals have 
expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the fifth 
draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit women's 
needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the copy I 
posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 291 men and 162 women 
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected 
and programming has begun.  
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really, 
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make 
sure that matches are compatible culturally.  
 
                                                          Eric Klien
lihouba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: E-mail addresses in Bulgaria
From: lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il (Christo Houbaviy)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:06:15 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

In article <1992Aug11.183509.10742@danbo.bg> daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev) writes:
>Hi Peter,
>
>Besides EARN, in Bulgaria there is another network, with much wider
>membership - EUnet. As of today, EUnet connects the following sites:

[list of sites deleted]

Thanks a lot for the information. I don't know exactly what the EUnet is but
none of these sites could be reached from here. Actually I haven't tried to
send mail but those sites can not be fingered ('Unknown domain bg...'). Is this
a mail only network? On the other hand the connection with BGEARN and BGCICT
works (mail only). I wonder what the other netters' experience might be.

>Best Regards from Varna,
>Daniel Kalchev
>postmaster@Bulgaria.EU.net

Likewise from Rehovot,
Christo Houbaviy
lihouba@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il
lihouba@iris.weizmann.ac.il
lihouba@weizmann.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: subscribers
Reply-To: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:37:01 GMT

Is it possible to get a list of subscribers to the group?

E. Scatton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Subject: Contacts abroad
Organization: Digital Systems
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:42:34 GMT

Our link with the University of Minning and Geology in Sofia is finaly
securely working, and I was asked to provide some addresses for
correspondence abroad to the admin there - Volin Karagiozov
<volin@mgu.bg>. The best way I could think of, is to post the request
here, at least until he battles with C-News and does so himself.
Please, write to him.

Best Regards,
Daniel
From: lb@ra.cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Proposals for Bulgarian FAQ.
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:39:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester UK


Hello everybody,

There is a volunteer to handle a FAQ for our newsgroup and now I'd like to
ask everybody to think what he can contribute to it. It would also be nice
to think what a FAQ may include and even if we don't have anything on an
interesting topic, the list can be enhanced later. Contributions and topics
are welcomed. 

What I have kept (waiting for the volunteer :-) ) as interesting so far
(apart from some of my postings on our recent history and culture but I
won't bore you with them again :-) ) and think is worthed to be included is:

1. Email cites and addresses in Bulgaria (posting by Daniel)

2. Bulgarian cuisine (postings by Rumi Radenska)

3. Bulgarian music on CD's (posting by Brian Sutin)

4. Broadcasts of Radio Sofia (by Paul Philbrow, Rossen Zlatev and Rossen
Dandoloff)

5. Modern Bulgarian Language courses (by Kitty Kagay and Ken Grau)

6. On the Bulgarian language (very rough and may need work on it - from an
old discussion by Ivan Derzhanski, who in case that reads this may ...)

7. Bulgarian traditions (on Easter by Roumi Radenska, on Gergiovden by
Roumi and me, on marteniza - by Svilen and me)

8. On travel tips in Bulgaria (by Rick Speer)

9. On what to see in Bulgaria (I've kept only my posting but I remember
that there were 2 - 3 more on the subject)

10. Some Bulgarian medieval Bulgarian history (by Andronikos Romanos)

I think that there are 2 - 3 topics more which could be included - like 
where is BG, how big it is, population, ethnic composition, etc, and recent
changes in the country (or lack of them :-( ).

Waiting anxiously for suggestions and more contributions.


Best regards

Luben


PS. A piece of curious news I received few hours ago (quote it as I
received it) from a friend, who picked it from the EUROPEAN (the newspaper
of the late R. Maxwell) in the section about Bulgaria:

>A Swiss company will start selling cigarettes with
>the name King Simeon (because his popularity is increasing
>still) which will come in packets of 2 colours - blue and red
>for the suporter of SDS and BSP respectively.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Let us not allow splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a
pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one
common disease"
                                                Gotse Delchev
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From: IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Olympic Medals for Bulgaria
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:55:20 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 7 Aug 1992 13:23:54 EDT
From: <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Olympic Results

For those of you who don't read rec.sports.olympics, here is the list of
medals won by Bulgarian athletes.

GOLD (3)
--------
Ivan Ivanov                 Weightlifting 52 kg
Nikolay Boukhalov           Canoe 500 m singles
Nikolay Boukhalov           Canoe 1000 m singles

SILVER (7)
----------
Valentin Getsov             Free-style wrestling 68 kg
Vessela Letcheva            Air-Rifle
Nonka Matova                Smallbore Rifle - 3 positions
Nikolai Peshalov            Weightlifting 60 kg
Yoto Yotov                  Weightlifting 67.5 kg
Tsvetanka Khristova         Discus
Daniel Bojinov              Boxing 48 kg

BRONZE (6)
----------
Valentin Yordanov           Free-Style Wrestling 114.5 lb. (???? kg)
Maria Zdravkova (Grozdeva?) Air-Pistol
Yordanka Donkova            100 m Hurdles
Svilen Roussinov            Boxing 201+ lb. (????? kg)
Martin Marinov, Blagovest Stoyanov     Canoe 500 doubles
Stefan Botev                Weightlifting 110 kg

Comments:
A total of 10 medals (3 gold, 7 silver, 6 bronze)
In weightlifting (after all events) : 4 medals ONLY.
In rhythmic gymnastics : NO medal
Spelling : according to the official spelling used in the newspapers.

Drago
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 12:49:19 EDT
From: <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Olympic Medals for Bulgaria
Distribution: world
 <1992Aug13.175934.1652@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>

In the Boston Globe's tally of medals (in all events), Bulgaria is cited
for having 16 medals (3+7+6) and is 18th in the ranking by nations (17th
in the ranking by number of medals). If anyone can prove this wrong (by
posting the missing (??) two medals), thanks in advance.

Drago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Subject: Re: exchange rate
Organization: Digital Systems
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:27:10 GMT

As far as I am aware (never tried myself), you can buy hard curency
anywhere in the exchance offices. They freely buy/sell mostly USD and
DM. For the rest, yo surely need a bank.

But I may be missing some detail here.

Daniel
From: haralaag@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Olympic Medals for Bulgaria
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:59:34 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <92225.135520IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

{deleted}

> 
> Comments:
> A total of 10 medals (3 gold, 7 silver, 6 bronze)

Well, this total is 16, not 10,
but I readed in New York Times (the table with the
small print) that Bulgaria has 18 medals... 

Where is the error?

> 
> Drago

Regards
	Alex Haralampiev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Bliznakov, Plamen)
Subject: Statistics from Bulgaria
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords:  fuel prices
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:25:00 GMT

Gas prices per 1 l for August 1 - 15, 1992 in Bulgaria [BGL]

Regular
A-98	7.60
A-96	7.40
A-93	7.20
A-91	7.00
A-86	6.80

Unleaded
A-93	7.20

Diesel	6.00
From: ahsana@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: GOVT. LABORATORY HIGH SCHOOL,DHAKA,BANGLADESH
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:23:55 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia


DID YOU PASS THE S.S.C EXAM FROM GOVT. LABORATORY HIGH SCHOOL,DHAKA,

BANGLADESH IN 1984 ?

PLEASE CONTACT ME .

MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS ahsana@topaz.ucq.edu.au
From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926)
Subject: Re: Job (baan)
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:54:21 GMT

In article <13AUG199213040690@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>, spwim@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Wim Degroot) writes:
>I'd like to start another serious threat in this newsgroup, something that is
                                    ^^^^^^

I sincerely hope you mean a thread!


Mike
From: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Hello Irene
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:40:06 GMT
	<ERIC.92Aug17101431@matisse.ling.flab.fujitsu.co.jp>
	<1992Aug17.132553.6925@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.
In-reply-to: schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca's message of 17 Aug 92 13:25:53 GMT

>> 	M a r c o s  B a c h i r  M u b a i e d   ($@%P%7%k(J)
>> 	marbm-b@ascii.co.jp $@3t<02q<R%"%9%-!<(J
>> 	$@%5%@%`!"%5%@%C%H!"%"%i%U%!%H!"%+%@%U%#(J $@0NBg$J1QM:!#(J

> Eric:
>
> Can you translate what to you looks like Kanji, but to us looks like
> interference?

It ain't all that interesting, but if you insist...

The junk behind his name says "Bachir" in katakana (Japanese phonetic
script), so it tells the reader a) which part of the name to use in
addressing him, and b) how to pronounce it (something like "basjeer").
Behind his address it says "ASCII Ltd", the name of his company.
Finally there's the last line of interference; it says "Saddam, Sadat,
Arafat, Khadafi: great heroes". That's all folks.

Eric.
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Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.              phone: 044 - 754 - 2671
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (W Schipper)
Subject: Re: Fransen & bier (was Re: rijbewijs & bier (LANG))
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:23:03 GMT

In article <23532@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>>niet en vreemder nog, Canadeese bier is vrij goed.
>
>Canadeese bier is goed.
>
>There are a couple of beers from Wisconsin (a bunch of Germans settled
>there) that are very good, all from micro breweries. Those, of course,
>are difficult to obtain, outside of Wisconsin.
>
>Ron
>
I don't know what Canadian beer you are referring to Ron, but it can't
be any of the Molson or Labatt's products available in Newfoundland,
except perhaps Dominion Ale (available here only). Even imported
Heineken is better than the swill that passes for beer in Canada. Except
for some remarkable stuff available from microbreweries in Ontario and
B.C., but they don't travel.

Wim

>Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.


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W. Schipper                         Email: schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Department of English,              Tel: 709-737-4406
Memorial University                 Fax: 709-737-4000
From: frankt@cwi.nl (Frank Teusink)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: herintreedsters (was Re: <None>)
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:37:07 GMT

eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.192858.24899@unixg.ubc.ca>, leon@unixg.ubc.ca
>(Leon ter Beek) writes:

>Pig-mentally challenged? En dat zou niet denigrerend zijn??? Rare
>jongens die Amerikanen.

Of course. They are challenged because they don't have the mental
constitution of a pig. See?

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>Eric M. Visser                         email: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp
>Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.              phone: 044 - 754 - 2671
>Kawasaki, Japan                        fax  : 044 - 754 - 2570

Frank Teusink
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: fvkoele@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (f.p.vankoelen)
Subject: Re: Discriminatie Limburgers (was: Re: dialekt /taalverarming/afkorting)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:34:21 GMT

Beste Edgar, ben je zelf soms ook limbo-er ?

Bij ons in Hilversum hebben we trouwens al een Limburger in dienst !

Frans van Koelen
fvkoele@hvlpa.att.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926)
Subject: <None>
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:12:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.162413@cs.utwente.nl>, fijma@cs.utwente.nl (Duco Fijma) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.113421.21105@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, fvkoele@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (f.p.vankoelen) writes:
> |> Beste Edgar, ben je zelf soms ook limbo-er ?
> |> 
> |> Bij ons in Hilversum hebben we trouwens al een Limburger in dienst !
> |> 
> |> Frans van Koelen
> |> fvkoele@hvlpa.att.com
> |> 
> 
> In het integratie-project, samen met een gehandicapte, een Turk en een
> herintredende vrouw?


Sterker nog, het is waarschijnlijk een gehandicapte, 
herintredende Limburgse vrouw van Turkse afkomst ;-).

    Mike
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning)
Subject: Re: Job (baan)
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:45:45 GMT
Reply-To: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov

In article <1992Aug18.094053.2029@fwi.uva.nl>, casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
|> The Dutch tend to think of themselves as a tolerant society, without
|> any basis in fact. Being a very white country until recently, there's
|> no history of (white against colored) racism as there is in the US.
|> The influx of foreign nationals during the last thirty years made
|> racism raise its ugly head.

 . . .

|> The Dutch may seem tolerant, but in fact we simply don't care.

 . . .

|> This still makes Holland a much better place to live than the US,
|> of course.

Why?  In what ways?

-- David

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: rob@watney.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere)
Subject: Re: Sesamstraat (Was: Re: OZS en Studio Sport)
Keywords: Barcelona
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:56:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.100041.22552@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>
kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes: 
>Is er dan helemaal niemand die zich Tita tovenaar herinnert? Mijn 
>eerste liefde :-) 

We herinneren ons TTT nog wel, maar hebben er niet over, omdat het heel gewoon
is (maar je staat er toch van te kijken.)

SR
PS Eerste liefde?  Tika of Grobelia?  :-)
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From: jaap@alice.att.com (jaap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Amerikaanse student wil wat weten over waterrechten
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:49:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23482
Reply-To: jaap@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

In article <yw0mnaj@lynx.unm.edu> wlaite@carina.unm.edu (Winter Laite LAW) writes:
 > 
 > 2) Bestaat er een hierarchie van rechten tot water? Bij
 > voorbeeld: De stad Los Angeles heeft wat wij een 'prior and
 > paramount right to water' noemen. Was dat misschien ook zo voor
 > Rotterdam of A'dam?

De prioriteiten liggen in Nederland natuurlijk wat anders.  Aangezien
Nederland niet, zoals LA in een woestijn,.  maar op een zeebodem ligt,
is de wetgeving meer gericht op het verwijderen van water dan op het
krijgen van water.  Daar zijn de waterschappen etc.  voor.

De ``recht op water'' problematiek stamt pas van de laatste 130 jaar,
en is meer een ``recht op niet vervuild water'' (om te drinken en voor
de landbouw), welke interessante internationale consequenties heeft.
De Kali mijnen langs de Rijn hebben de gewoonte op overtollig zout de
Rijn in te pompen, wat het Rotterdamse water wat minder smakelijk
maakt.  PCB's komen via dezelfde manier in de Waddenzee.  (In de
middeleeuwen werd al geklaagd over vervuiling van rivieren etc.  door
brouwerijen, de laken industrie etc, maar dat was op een wat kleinere
schaal).

En dan is er de scheepvaart.  Om een voorbeeld te geven, er is een
conflict wat al minstens 20 jaar aan de gang is tussen Belgie en
Nederland over de Schelde, de vervuiling etc.

Kortom, er is genoeg stof om promovendi tot in lengte van jaren bezig
te houden.

	jaap
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (W Schipper)
Subject: Re: herintreedsters (was Re: <None>)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:38:01 GMT

>
>Een leuk stukje plaatselijke newspeak is *challenged.  Als je iets niet 
>kan, ben je daarin ge-challenged.  Zo ben je niet blind, maar visually 
>challenged.  Geestelijk gehandicapt heet intellectually challenged.  
>Korte mensen (as in "short people ain't got no reason to live") zijn
>vertically challenged.  Ik wacht nu op een goede gelegenheid om 
>"genderally challenged" in te voeren--voor vrouwen.
>
Waarom niet voor mannen?

Wim/Bill
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Department of English,              Tel: 709-737-4406
Memorial University                 Fax: 709-737-4000
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: wlaite@carina.unm.edu (Winter Laite LAW)
Subject: Amerikaanse student wil wat weten over waterrechten
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:38:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Groeten uit Nieuw Mexico!

Ik ben student in de rechten bij de University of New Mexico Law
School. Ik moet een rapport schrijven over waterrechten in
Nederland. Wie kan voor mij de volgende vragen beantwoorden?

1) Bestaat er een persoonlijke recht tot water in Nederland? De
gedachte is, als b.v. een boer water uit het gemeentelijk of
landelijk systeem wil halen, hoeveel mag hij nemen? Wiens
beslissing is dat? De waterschap? Wat zijn de bepalingen
daarvoor? (Ik heb al een boek, 'De Waterschapswet', maar het
heeft mij tot nu toe slechts weinig geholpen.)

2) Bestaat er een hierarchie van rechten tot water? Bij
voorbeeld: De stad Los Angeles heeft wat wij een 'prior and
paramount right to water' noemen. Was dat misschien ook zo voor
Rotterdam of A'dam?

3) In de V.S. zijn er 2 systemen van waterrechten: 'riparian' and
'prior appropriation'. Wat zijn die op z'n Nederlands? Of bestaat
zo wat helemaal niet?

Hartstikke bedankt van tevoren, en reakties in 't Engels zijn
altijd welkom.

Winter Laite
wlaite@carina.unm.edu

1308 Stanford NE
Albuquerque, NM 87106
1-505-265-4338
From: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Hello Irene
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:14:31 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.
In-reply-to: marbm-b@ascii.co.jp's message of 14 Aug 92 01:35:17 GMT

Hi Irene, still around?

Marcos Bachir Mubaied wrote:

(everything deleted)

> ----
> Marcos Bachir Mubaied
> -- 
> 	M a r c o s  B a c h i r  M u b a i e d   ($@%P%7%k(J)
> 	marbm-b@ascii.co.jp $@3t<02q<R%"%9%-!<(J
> 	$@%5%@%`!"%5%@%C%H!"%"%i%U%!%H!"%+%@%U%#(J $@0NBg$J1QM:!#(J

Interesting signature, this. Can't have been many people on the net
who could read this (but I could :-); what a surprise to find kanji in
s.c.n.). Anyway, Bachir, if you're reading, it might be a good idea to
have different signatures depending on whether you post within Japan
or to the outside world.

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From: jacek@edstar.ucsb.edu (Jacek Smits)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Job (baan)
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:41:02 GMT
Organization: UCSB Graduate School of Education

spwim@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Wim Degroot) writes:

[introduction deleted]

>I'd like to know how many people are willing to give up their nationality for a
>career and associate economic benefits, and what are your thoughts about it.

It will depend on a lot of issues and I don't think there is a general
answer to this question.  Not for me anyway.

I am a Dutch citizen and am officially a Permanent Resident in the USA.
Suppose I had to give up my Dutch nationality in order to get a job in
the US (i.e. becoming a US citizen).  I would never do that.  I do not
feel at home here and would like to leave as soon as my wife (USA
citizen) and I are finished with our PhD (she feels the same way, I am
so lucky :-).  However, I do not necessarily want to go back to the
Netherlands, although I like that country a lot.

As far as other countries are involved, it is a tough question. 
Suppose I could get a job in New Zealand under the condition that
I become a NZ citizen up front?  I would not do that!  I need to
know the country before I would even consider becoming a citizen. I
don't think NZ (or any other country) would allow anybody to become
a citizen up front, but that is a different question.

I think that for me giving up my Dutch nationality would not be that
much of a problem in itself.  But giving up my Dutch passport would
be a waste of opportunities giving the fact that the EC is opening
up. I expect that more and more European nations will join in the
(near) future.

I guess that for me it is not a matter of nationalism, being proud
of MY country and all that crap.  But I'd sure like to hold on the
my Dutch passport for a while longer and see what opportunities arise.

Jacek