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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Private Education in Pakistan
Date: 1 Jan 1993 14:15:48 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Dec28.165417.45932@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:


>Pakistan. We need a revolution. Pakistan's society has a lot of wealth. That is
>the reason for the afluent of the society studying in the states. We need a
>revolution that lays rest to the existing set of beliefs(not religous). How

In order to bring revolution, you need a vision. A vision that
can inspire people to come out of their lethargy and self interest.
Without vision you may have a revolution, but it wouldn't solve the
problems. 

Now may I ask, what great ideas you have?
Can those ideas tune into the psyche of the people and wake them
up from slumber?

If you simply want to import some ideas from the capitalist west
or from the death bed of communism, then you are sadly mistaken.
They will only perpetuate the misery!
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Moslems
Date: 1 Jan 93 04:27:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

in further reply to what the turkish man said, i say that he find out how many
muslim countries are secular. most, if not all of them are.

they are:
turkey
algeria
mauritanian
tunisia
indonesia
bangladesh
chad
egypt
mali
morocco
iraq
malaysia
and many more.
all of these countries are dictatorships. turkey also has its problems. i
remember a friend of mine was put in jail for a week for talking about the dark
side of mustafa kamal's personality (love that secular freedom of speech).

all of the new republics of hte former USSR are still communist. they are still
in the clutches of dictatorial regimes. the only countries that have truly
tried islam are algeria, sudan, and iran to a less extent. sudan and iran tried
from on high. sudan seems to be doing well, and iran is not doing as well, but
those problems came from the war nd a lot of propaganda. algeria tried islam
from down low (general elections) and the people were killed for that.

i say most of the problems in the world come from dictatorial governments that
have no interest in islam at all but in preservation of power. it has nothing
to do with islam but stubborn governments that want to shove SECULARISM down
our throats.

nar-e-takbir!


zafar minhas

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Difference
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:12:08 GMT

nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:

>imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:

>>In article <1hd0r1INNfes@aludra.usc.edu> fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:


>Lot of junks deleted


>	Question - What is the difference between Mustafa Idiot and a DONKEY?

>	Answer - Hmm.. let me think..  Yeah  Mustafa has a longer tail.

>	Hey fafat , you want to add anything?

	If you don't mind , Nishit , can I add something ?


	Differences :

	1) MUSTAFA has a cut **** , which the DONKEY doesn't have .

	2) MUSTAFA has four wives , which the DONKEY doesn't have .

		

	Similarities :

	1) Both are responsible citizens of Islamic Republic of

		PAKISTAN
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Date: 3 Jan 1993 18:42:41 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1993Jan3.100458@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
:
::
::The bottom line is that Islam nowhere dictated that Pakistan must be created
:                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
::; but Pakistan was created because of Islam
:
:
:This question is directed to Irfan Hyder.
:
:Do you agree with this last statement made by Arindam
: (especially the underlined part) ?
:

Islam no where dictates the need for any arbitrary division of geographical 
entities. 

Muslims may, however, need geographical entities to preserve their political 
interests. 

Thus one demarcation is recognized; dar-ul-harb and dar-ul-islam.
Dar-ul-harb, entities with which Muslims are in a state of war or
    with which they have treaties.

Dar-ul-islam, entities where Islam prevails.


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From: mannan@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (D RIGHT 1)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Appology demmanded from dchatterjee
Date: 3 Jan 93 07:37:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <dbose.725921132@sirocco.aem.umn.edu> dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>das@meavax.nrrc.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>
>
>
>	Nadaan Bachche ghar jaa ke so jaa .
>
>						DEEPAK
I bet this guy was one of the person who flew back from Ayoddah?? after
he broke the dome of the mosque!! What a stupid irrational and stupid
person. He is probably one of the untouchables in India escaped racism
in India and empties the junk from inside his frustrated and desperate
mind in soc.culture.XXXXXX Mr. Deepak you should not wait till you are
dead I think its time for you to jump in the Ganga and save the world
from someone who is as stupid as you are. 

You sir are a Hatemunger! and so am I for people like you!

-- 
I am Crazy!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Bangali boys make good servants (Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
	<1992Dec16.155819.20631@slate.mines.colorado.edu>,<BzDKH2.KxL@news.udel.edu>
	<Bzn13o.L05@sunfish.usd.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:12:08 GMT
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In article <Bzn13o.L05@sunfish.usd.edu> shariq@charlie.usd.edu writes:


>In fact there are two Bengali boys working at my grandmother's house in 
>Karachi and they are just like family.
----

How nice of you to treat them like family. They are an obedient lot aren't 
they?

--
Naeem Mohaiemen
216 774-1993
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 a job. To get a job, you got to have an education. So along comes a Black
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khawaja@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Rafarf Khawaja)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:49:17 GMT

This is a test message. Please ignore this posting!!!


- Rafay
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From: towheed@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (NSSDC, NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Rejoinders to Nishit Dey.(Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh).
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:07:00 GMT
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec20.140738.45813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes...
>In article <BzJo08.HKw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
>> shamim@poplar.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim) writes:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some rejoinders <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 
>   These are the issues overlooked by Nishit Dey:

SST> [Stuff deleted...]


>  (5) Hypocrisy is the standard practice of Pakistani politics and extreme
>      brutality unleashed on religious minorities. Logic has been long
>      suppressed. Just look at Benazir Bhutto's plight in Pakistan. Just see
>      from where Jammat-i-Islam is getting funded in Bangladesh ?????
> 
>      Thus, a fundamentalist like Tariff Shamim should have been ignored by
>      Nishit Dey.
> 
>   Yes, the above (5) attributes qualify the Pakistani regime - which to
>   date has been regarded as of uncivilized people who hang naked from trees.
>   trees.
> 
>       - good luck pakis,
> 
>            deb chatterjee
>         (a good samaritan)


SST>	You know what we should have done in 1971 ?  
	We should have done to the leaders of the Pak military, what was done 
	to the leaders of the German military after WWII, and what should be 
	done to leaders of the Serbs.

      1) We should have tried them in an International Court.  I'm
	 reminded of a town in Germany as the site.

      2) If found guilty, we should have hung them, burned their 
	 bodies, and thrown the ashes to he four winds.

      3) Then we should have demand to be paid for 24 years of servitude 
	 and theft of income; the murder of 3.3 million at $50,000.00 per
	 head; the rape of hundreds of thousands at $45,000 per act of rape; 
	 and of course total reconstructions costs for the whole nation.

	
The Germans are paying, the Iraqis are paying, but the Pakistanis got 
of scott free.  Thanks to genorosity of my Bengali brothers.

P.S.  A quick question.  Has the Pakistani Government officially 
apologized to the people of Bangladesh ?  I mean, has the leader of 
Pakistain prayed for the salviation of the departed souls at the 
National Memorial, like Herr. Cole did at the Holocaust Memorial ?

These are the question I still ask myself when I think about all the 
members of my family that were rounded up on that night and shot.  

To this day I do not know where they rest.

						Syed S. Towheed
From: rizvi@paul.rutgers.edu (HGR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Retirement of the greatist politician, Pakistan ever produced
Keywords: Raghib muhammad
Date: 25 Dec 92 02:22:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

It is really a very bad news for Pakistani nation that MQM's chief Quid-e-Tehreek Altaf Hussain announced his retirement from national politics. He was the only politician in  the country who was struggling against the people who want to divide Pakistan. He is
the most sincere, loyal and devoted political leader in the history of Pakistan.

Govt. of Pakistan and especially Pakistan Army finally got success in their 
conspiracies against the middleclass population of Pakistan. Now there is nobody in
national politics who fight for the rights of poor nation, who speak against fudal
system, who practically represent middleclass.

Altaf Hussain is the undisputed leader of more than 12 millions Mohajirs. Now Mohajirs
even don't have the right to select their leader.Mohajirs at this time seriously
thinking about their future in Pakistan.

I request to Quid-e-Tehreek Altaf Hussain to review his decision.At this crucial stage
Pakistani nation is looking for his guidance and leadership.


Raghib Muhammad
Rutgers University
New Jersey.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hamid@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Hamid Mir)
Subject: Skiing in Pakistan
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:51:37 GMT

I am going on a trip to Pakistan in late January. I have heard from a
few people that there have been some ski hills constructed up north,
namely in the Gilgit and Swat areas. I would like to know more about
them, has anyone heard about these places? Are they open for business?
How many runs do they have?

Also I am taking a friend along to see the sights. I am wondering
what areas up north will be like from late Jan to mid Feb, will there
be any problem getting up there or finding accomodation. I am pretty
sure that the Karakoram Highway will be open all year.

Thanks, Hamid Mir

(hamid@engrg.uwo.ca)
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN, A NATION WA
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:04:27 EST


 UG> In that case, the government of Pakistan does not need to do any thing
 UG> as if it does, it is sure to backfire. Why? Inherent corruption in
 UG> Paki systems and culture.

 UG> From my experience with CNC ie, Computer Network Channel, in tying a
 UG> television channel with a BBS system, at the least a group of different
 UG> BBBs in small sizes that can be accessed by  PC terminals at private
 UG> schools/homes, can go a long way in spreading technology and education,
 UG> as well as sources of them to the young generation that is interested
 UG> in acquiring world class information. So, what do you say from "World's
 UG> Largerst PCBOARD System"........? 
 
But soooo many people do not have phone lines...  and the phone
lines have a lot of line noise...  and I think that it would be more
cost-effective for GOVERNMENT MONEY to go in to spreading *any*
education over Pakistan... 

But in private schools and homes, it is quite possible to do.  I
would not be too surprised by the existence of BBSes in Defense,
Karachi, etc... after all, they *do* have pizza delivery <grin>...

Seriously, though,...  there is A LOT of computer-awareness in the
"Defense-class" of Karachiites and uppity Lahoris...

On Tariq Road (Karachi) there are stores selling more software
(albeit ALL pirate) than I have yet to see in ANY computer store
in North America or in Spain or in England...  You name it, they
have it.  Even alpha and beta releases...  All for 10 rupees per
disk (plus 10 rupees for the disk itself)...  [I don't condone this,
I am just telling ya!]...

Sorry if I am a bit awkward in my "protocol": though an avid BBSer,
I am new to usenet...

Faraz Rabbani

... Kabi mat bhoolo...



... I'd walk a mile in another mans shoes ... but his underwear?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan is lilbit different from Israel
Date: 26 Dec 1992 21:05:02 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec24.155645@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:


Mustafa replying to J. A. Khan
:: :
:: 	Your argument is based on wrong presumptions. Religion is NOT the
:: 	SOLE justification for creating Pakistan. The justification is
:: 	based on the religion AND the followers of the religion being a
:: 	majority who voted to form the state of Pakistan.
:
:
:
:And when was the vote taken?

Pick up any book on history of partition. 
Hint: Look around the dates when partition took place.
	It would be better if you look at the dates "before"
	the year of partition. I hope you wouldn't need more
	hints, else


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gillu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mandeev.sandhu)
Subject:  Looking for Kaafi's by Pathane Khan.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:47:20 GMT


I am looking for audio (preferably) CDs or cassettes containing
kaafis sung by Pathane Khan. Would anybody know where I can get
them??!

mandeep
ms@honasa.att.com


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From: sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 2 Jan 1993 14:48:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu




Wish God had learned to write in hex. We wouldn't need any interpreters then !



Sudarshan
---------
ar m God  






Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: washington ready to b
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:06:31 GMT

"faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com> writes:

>Exactly!  He shows the worst aspect of the ignorant, dull and
>senseless HinduversusMuslimism (*and* vise versa)...

>Why can't we accentuate the (MANY) similarities we have.

>And like the Qu'ran says, "Lakum deenakum, wa leii deen" --> "You
							       ^^^
>have your religion and we have ours."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THEN WHY THE HELL DO YOU CALL US 'KAFIRS ' ?


>Faraz Rabbani

			_- DEEPAK
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:45:42 GMT

Just trying to find out, how this donkey Mustafa has become so intellegent
He now a days uses this service.


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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:05:17 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Salam writes:
>>In article <1992Dec27.212218.45921@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>      Do you want to imply that the people who are not physicists have no
>idea of the modern theory of cosmology? It is not the precise mathematical
>theories but "a general concept concerning the formation of the Universe",
>outlined in the Qur'an. Read the text carefully.

	A "general concept" without any basis is not very useful and certainly
	does'nt allow a conclusion that Muhammad knew what he was talking 
	about in the sense of corresponding to observational reality.

>>   (2) The word "data" appears in the above passage. What data is being
>>       referred to here ?
>
>    Read the above remarks again.

	Unfair, IMO. The OP clearly made a tall claim, throwing in agreement
	with "data" without saying what it was (if any, i.e.)


>     Yes, any religious text/scripture contains such statements, but the point
>raised by Dr. Buacille is that the statements in the Qur'an are not "mystic".
>They are simple, sensible and intelligible.

	Even Aristotle was intelligible. But in no way connected with
	"reality".


>      Yes, not only Egyptians but Chinese and Indians also had advanced
>scientific knowledge BUT only through the scientific investigations and 
>NOT as a revealation from God. The point is a person like Muhammad (SW)
>and the society of His time and space couldn't produce anything like that
>from the existing knowledge.

	The scientific achievements of the former left tell-tale marks.
	Muhammad's speculations did no such things and as such, imagination
	does'nt need "existing knowledge". 

	FFT
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Waliullah
Date: 30 Dec 1992 14:12:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


	Shah Waliullah
	______________

	Shah Waliullah is an important person in Indian-Subcontinent history. 
	I have a question. Why did  he invite Ahmad Shah Abdali to
	India. Did he really invite him, or Ahmad Shah Abdali was gonna
	come to India any way. 

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland

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From: fall217@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Appology demmanded from dchatterjee
Date: 26 Dec 1992 16:11:05 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
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Summary: death threat
Keywords: death threat



Mr dchatterjee:

You have been very keen for demanding appologies.  I am soory to say that at least you have threatend Mr. shams atleast twice  in you poting:


once you said:

Instead of thinking of how better to castrate Hindus, it is better
for you to maintain a low profile and/ or quit posting.

on the other place you said " ........ .this feeling has also 
been wipped up by fundamentalists like yourself - who os safe in U.S- as a proud paki-american!!!!!! nothing can touch you here as a paki-american.Thus it is 
nice and convenient to exhibt fundamentalism from a distance".


It is very shame full for a person who demanded appologies from others but 
himself commit the same thing.  This is your old friend Syed agha saeed 
.  I hope you will inform by your self about misconduct as you did for others to the system manager of your system if you have even very little integrity.  
I will apreiciate your aplication to the system for deleting your account.this
 will be sufficient.  You dont need to inform INS or FBI as you did in other cases.
I dont want you to be deported as you wanted for others even if they are US citizen. 

It is not the metter of rules or regulations but more of moral integrity.

NOT A SEMERITON  AT ALLL

SYED AGHA SAEED

	
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rajesh@ivy (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan is lilbit different from Israel
Date: 25 Dec 1992 02:23:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivy.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

	Israel was created by driving out Palestinians. The people who
	helped in this were the Western allies.

	Pakistan was created by partitioning India. The people who
	helped were the British.

	Israel was created because the Jews from all over the world
	thought that they deserved a nation of their own. They had no
	right to kick people out.

	Pakistan was created by Muslims from all over India who believed
	that they deserved a nation of their own. They had no right to
	kick people out. People were kicked out from India too. That too
	was incorrect.


	Mansoor you say that Muslims in India are not in good shape. I
	disagree. I think that they are appeased and are in much better
	shape than minorities in many, many places. Well, you might say
	that I have opinions ingrained in me by years of Indian
	propaganda. I could say the same about others too. That's the
	point I'm making. We should listen to each others' stories
	instead of just going n with our own opinions only. Maybe thenwe
	could get over our biases. Mansoor, judging by the tone of your
	posts, I'm sure you can do that.

I hope to keep this friendly-friendly. 
--

Rajesh Raman

--

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Reply-To: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:11:08 GMT

From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)


>>Divine causes and supernatural entities are outside the purview of 
>>science.  Science has nothing to say about these.

>Nonsense.  Science has plenty to say for divine causes and supernatural
>entities: it calls them superstitition.  

Not quite.  As you do, some may call these superstitions.  For all 
practical purposes, religious beliefs and scientific endeavour are
orthogonal.  That is why a devout believer like Abdus Salam and
an atheist like Steven Weinberg, came up with similar theories.

>>To me, the divinity of the Quran is a matter of faith.

>And what do you say to the Christian for whom the divinity of
>the Bible is a matter of faith?  (Mind you, I have no christian ax
>to grind here. Despite my "christian" name I am an infidel dog. ;-))

More power to you.  I have no argument with anyone's beliefs as long
as I am not coerced and I am allowed mine. 


-- Milind Saraph

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