HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kadie@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:03:47 GMT

clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

[...]
>The codes of ethics of many Universities provide for disciplinary
>action against students [...] publish
>material that is potentially harmful.  (the language is often somewhat
>archaic, referring to things such as "bringing discredit to the University")

Students at state schools in the U.S. cannot legally be punished for
publishing material that is merely potentially harmful.

This university dropped it's unconstitutionally vague prohibitions
against "conduct deemed undesirable" around 1971 when the Chancellor
approved a Statement on Individual Rights.

>For example, a student can usually be expelled for such things as (after
>repeated warnings) posting signs saying "no means harder".  Over the last
>couple of months, several American examples of this sort of thing have been
>described (after the incident at Queens U).
[...]

Such actions (for example, at Syracuse University, a private
school) are the exception and not the rule.

- Carl

References

ftp.eff.org:pub/academic/law/uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
ftp.eff.org:pub/academic/law/doe-v-u-of-michigan
ftp.eff.org:pub/academic/regs2rights
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Newsgroups: news.admin
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Copyright Summary (was: NetNews/CD - USENET News Available)
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:39:50 GMT

hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:

>I believe the original argument was that cable was a redistribution
>beyond the "normal" broadcast range of WTBS (i.e. I can't recieve it
>in california w/ a normal (or even enhanced!) antenna).  I *must* have
>cable to get it.  The fact that there is some statute that permits this

Or a TVRO dish -- you don't need cable, I don't need cable, no-one
needs cable.

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keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: NetNews/CD - USENET News Available
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:41:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23452
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <247@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
>In article <23407@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon) writes:
>>In article <6I3IWNB@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>>In article <23395@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon) writes:
>>
>>New places who edit stuff, or who publish it on paper, or someone
>>who wants to take it and put it into a magazine, or ANYONE who
>>wants to misquote it, for that matter, all should be covered
>>somehow.    So should sites who censor articles, who restrict
>>topics, subjects (I don't mean kill files here, I mean
>>sites that refuse news), and such are not USENET.

>I OBJECT!  My site refuses a whole bunch of groups, due to disk
>space limitations.  Nonetheless I consider that I am connected to,
>and a part of, USENET.
YIPE.  A good point.

I dare say I phrased things badly.

I meant (sigh, sorry about that), sites who examine an article
to see if it's "appropriate". I.e. censor on language, subject
(not topic, sorry), author, and that sort of thing.

No WAY to I mean you have to accept all groups worth of
this dreck!

Sorry, Richard, your objection is well taken, my writing was
not phrased to convey my intent. 
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From: kadie@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: news.admin,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:06:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Aug19.200653.9785
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

[...]
>alt.sex isn't like playboy:
>
>	- There ain't no editor, so nobody screens the material going in.
>	  Thus the risk of illegal material is very high.
>	- It isn't a printed magazine, so customs can't have a look at it
>	  to ensure that no illegal material is in it.
[...]

By this reasoning, alt.censorship, rec.humor, alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,
and most other newsgroups should be banned, too.

- Carl
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Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:44:56 GMT
 <1992Aug13.152104.3300@m.cs.uiuc.edu> <3726@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca>

In <3726@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

>Furthermore, on a more general level, most universities have constitutions
>or codes of ethics that require them to be more selective of material than
>the law would necessarily require them to.  Even in the USA.

Actually, the code of ethics in most universities "require" them to be LESS
selective of material than the law requires them to.  I believe his to be
generally ignored, but it is still the case.

Also, in the USA, state schools are required (by the first amendment) to be
no more selective than the law requires.
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My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
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Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b,news.software.readers
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: "Newsgroup-info" command for news software
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:22:06 GMT

In article <16lsi9INN8sk@smurf.smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
>We could store FAQs in a faq.* pseudo-hierarchy. We could even crosspost them
>there, which means that the news transmission software doesn't have to be
>changed. On the downside, having another newsgroup -- in fact, another 
>hierarchy -- just for the FAQ might be wasteful; but then, that hierarchy 
>could be used for other stuff also.

Oh! You mean news.answers!
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Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
From: lars@CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups.
Summary: I hope we get a solution to this
Keywords: nntp private groups protections
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:19:34 GMT
Organization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA

In article <1992Aug12.133030.10704@uts.cc.wayne.edu>
   tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson) writes:
>>We are running a news server. We have gotton requests from some of our 
>>local users for private (local) news groups. This would also be ideal 
>>for dealing with internal news items. How would something like this be
>>set up? ...

Here at CMC, we also have a handful of internal groups. They have not
been very successful, and I am reluctant to recommend that they get
used more until we have a way to keep them from leaking out.

In article <BswoHL.5B4@zoo.toronto.edu>
   henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
hs> I assume you're asking about controlling access by readers, rather than
hs> about controlling propagation to other sites.  (You control propagation
hs> to other sites by setting up your sys file not to propagate the private
hs> groups.)

We have four classes of access to worry about:
(1) Ordinary newsreaders (rn etc).
    This is easy: Make the articles owned by a group and make sure that
    the people allowed to see the articles are members of that group.
    The "news" account of course must also be a member of all of these
    groups.
(2) NNTP reader clients (rrn, TheNews etc)
    This is harder. NNTPD runs as "news" and thus has access to the files.
    Remember: in order for relaynews to work, "news" must have read AND
    write access to the files.
(3) Remote feeds using uucp or nntpxmit (push-type feeds).
    No problem: The SYS file restricts the feed.
(4) Remote feeds using nntpxfer (pull-type feeds).
    Same problem as NNTP reader clients.

hs> The problem here is that the reader programs have no special privileges;
hs> they just go look at files under /usr/spool/news.  You could read news
hs> with "cat" if you wanted to.  To close off access to a group, you must
hs> make its files inaccessible (typically the easiest way is to tighten up
hs> the permissions on its directory) to everyone but the news system and
hs> the legitimate readers.  Depending on your system, this may be asking
hs> a lot of Unix's not-too-flexible permission system.

As I said: This is the easy part.

hs> If *all* your readers get access to the news via NNTP, you can impose
hs> restrictions there, although you may have to program them yourself.

I wish someone else would implement this....

I think the thing to do is to add a unix-group identifier field to the
nntp_auth file, so that the nntp daemon that gets spawned to serve the
connection can start as root and drop to daemon with the specified group
before sending the reply banner.

/ Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer	Internet E-mail: lars@CMC.COM
  CMC Network Products / Rockwell Int'l	Telephone: +1-805-968-4262	
  Santa Barbara, CA 93117-3083		TeleFAX:   +1-805-968-8256
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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: news.admin,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal.computing
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright: " field (was: Re: NetNews/CD . . .)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:47:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23501
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <23498@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy) writes:
>'fair use' but have also (yes, I speak from experience) as fair use,
whoops...                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
should have been "have backed off".

Thank you, vi.
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright: " field (was: Re: NetNews/CD . . .)
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:06:05 GMT

In article <23480@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon and clueless white boy) writes:
>What some people argue is effectively that anyone who gets
>a news feed is USENET, even if it's the NY Times (not that they
>would)

Why not? The Houston Chronicle does. And they have shown no reluctance to
quote net articles and email (which is why I no longer subscribe).
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:22:53 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <BTPNPB19w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
|clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
|> In case you missed it, Canada is not only a democracy, but these laws
|> enjoy the overwhelming support of the entire country.  State censorship?
|> Bullshit.  The state is us.

|Even for those of us who advocate its elimination?

You planning on emmigrating Mathew?
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From: gsl2598@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: new groups
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:15:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.0095F15C.24A70AA0
Reply-To: gsl2598@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

I saw a post about how to create rec groups, etc.., but how would I create
an alt. group?   It seems like there are a lot of bogus groups out there,
so it shouldn't be too hard...
(The group I would like to create, alt.games.car.wars is legit.)
Since rec.games.frp is so full of "garbage," it would be nice to have
a place where the subject is narrower.  Also, in the past I have seen
suggestions that people tired of the garbage should create a more specific
newsgroup.
Anyone care to help me/squash me in the dirt ?
Leprican ~~~
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson)
Subject: Re: NetNews/CD - USENET News Available
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:40:54 GMT

In article <E39IF6@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.173839.9926@lth.se> bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) writes:
>>>I suppose for
>>>that one particular hand-selected disk, they ought to check the
>>>copyrights attached to each post.  
>
>>I think they should ask the authors for those. Each one and
>>individually. Which makes it difficult to make such a selection,
>>of course.
>
>I think people who post to comp.sources are requesting a wider distribution
>than people who post to other groups.

I guess that's OK if they are clearly told about it. Ick. Makes
it seem necessary to have yet another control file that tells
how serious a warning a poster should get. 

Bengt L.
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From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Bogus moderated groups (was Re: changing the moderator...)
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:32:44 GMT
Reply-To: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences

In article <2288@aegis.or.jp>, davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
> 
> >lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) presents a long list of moderated groups
> > on his system with no traffic:
> >All rmgrouped over a year ago.
> >[...]
> >I don't mean to be especially rude, Larry, but if you can't keep up
> >with rmgroup messages (or read news.announce.newgroups, which also
> >announces reorgs and removals), you might consider running a
> >checkgroups script from time to time.
> 
> I don't mean to be especially stupid, but first, how does one find
> out what the legal newsgroups are? And second how does one determine
> what is a legal {rm|ad}group control message? 

The checkgroups hinted at perviously is the way to go.  It is posted on a
monthly basis to a news.admin group (which one will it go to now that the
reorg is out? hmm...) and is sent out by Gene Spafford at Purdue.  A quick
grep of the appropriate spool directory found the message posted with a
"spaf-ckgrp" at the front of the Message-ID.  This message should be edited
according to the instructions contained within it (as well as any local
mods you want to make) to produce a file to send to inews or other article
injector.  This will produce a mail message to the new administration
account or somesuch, depending upon your server implementation, that will
list the groups which should be added or removed from your active file
according to the checkgroups.  Feel free to do what you want based upon
this info.  

Personally, I don't trust any rmgroup messages, but I will use the
checkgroups message spaf posts to determine what I should remove to be
consistent with the net if that is what the client wants...  I have never
found it a problem to just ignore rmgroup messages entirely and let a
server accumulate groups that eventually empty (if it is truly dead, then
the articles will expire and if not then no harm done.)  Then, after some
predetermined period of inactivity (no posts) I can clean them out.  The
overhead for holding a group that should be legitimately removed is rather
insignificant compared to the complaints from clients I would have to wade
through if I trusted a bogus rmgroup and nuked an active group.


jim
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Xref: sparky news.groups:17069 rec.motorcycles:28397
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: rec.motorcycles.harley vote acknowledgment
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:11:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug21.143156.18233@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:

>.... Fellow netters are entitled
>to see the face behind the posts and I rode 1300 miles (much in the rain)
>and missed spending my birthday with my family (which really pissed off
>my wife and son) so I wouldn't deny my DoD brethren a chance to meet me.

>Those present got to see first hand that my posts genuinely reflect the
>person sitting at the keyboard.

of course, said posts should have been in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS to properly
capture the essence of 'tude (tm).

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From: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson)
Subject: Re: RFD: several instrument-specific rec.music groups
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:11:33 GMT

From article <Bt7pr0.3G7@uunet.uu.net>, by rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec):
> 
> Proposal A: Create rec.music.guitar, and remove alt.guitar.
> 
> Rec.music.guitar would be a one-for-one unmoderated replacement of alt.guitar;
> perhaps its charter would be "Discussion of electric and acoustic guitar
> techniques and equipment".

This sounds ok to me.

> 
> Proposal B: Create rec.music.bass, and remove alt.guitar.bass.
> 
> Rec.music.bass would be a one-for-one unmoderated replacement of
> alt.guitar.bass; perhaps its charter would be "Discussion of electric
> and acoustic bass guitar techniques and equipment".
> 

I would prefer rec.music.guitar.bass since it is about bass guitars.
Also, it follows the current name more closely.

> Proposal C: Create rec.music.drums.
> 
> Rec.music.drums would be an unmoderated group for the discussion of drums
> and related percussion instruments.  Perhaps its charter would be "Discussion
> of drums and percussion instrument techniques and equipment".
> 

Or, rec.music.percussion (just a thought).

> Proposal D: Created rec.music.tablature, rec.music.tablature.d and remove
> 	alt.guitar.tab.
> 
> These two groups would be used for posting lyrics, chords, tablature, sheet
> music, and the discussion thereof.  Their charters might be something like:
> rec.music.tablature: Lyrics, chords, and tablature posting ONLY.
> rec.music.tablature.d: Lyrics, chords, and tablature discussion and requests.
> 

I think this should be one group: rec.music.guitar.tab.  Adding more
groups in rec.music (as above) would tend to reduce the amount of
competing traffic in the group so I think it could tolerate both
tab postings and discussion.  If it is really a big problem the
discussion group could be created later.  My guess is that most of
the discussion would be either requests or corrections, and corrections
should be made to the postings group, shouldn't they.

As for the name, I think that the traffic only warrants a group about
guitar (including bass guitar) tab, and so it should be in the rm.guitar
hierarchy.

As a final note, I would really like to see these groups created (and
will read them regardless of their names).

--tv
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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles.dirt,alt.motorcycles.harley
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: rec.motorcycles.harley vote acknowledgment
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.220934.4121@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>also consider the possibility of people
>   a) absent minded and forgot they already voted
>   b) confused about the whole process and voted "to be sure" knowing
>      that "hey, no problem, they will remove any duplicates"

Not to mention that almost everybody participating in such a vote
KNOWS that their votes will be listed.  Trying to "stuff the ballot
box" by voting twice under identical or extremely similar names would
be about as intelligent and effective a way of cheating as would be
photocopying a classmate's term paper, crossing out their name, and
adding your own.  OK, if the vote taker did not eliminate the
duplicates from the count, they should be pointed out, but they hardly
needs to be labeled as suspected cheaters to have the count
corrected.

Ballot box stuffing may or may not have gone on, but I wouldn't even
bother _suspecting_ people who voted twice under very similiar names.
If anyone has to worry about this, look for fake-looking site names or
multiple votes from a single site or something.

	Cathy

p.s.  I have never ridden a motorcycle and didn't participate in this
vote and don't care whether the group's created or not, I'm just
hoping this flame war will go away soon, but after three years on the
net you'd think I'd turn pessimist and give up hoping stuff like that
wouldn't you?
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Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
Important rule for out-and-back rides:  what goes down must come up.
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