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From: etxjpll@eua.ericsson.se (Peter Lund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:12:40 GMT
Reply-To: etxjpll@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

I have forwarded most of the "president Clinton" articles to the new group 
alt.president.clinton. Couldn't we continue there?

Peter Lund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen)
Subject: ...US Geography...
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 22:26:30 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Hei.  Back to the geography thingie....

I grew up in a town in Wisconsin called Holmen.  It was
settled by several Norwegians in the mid-1800's.  Near
my home town is another town called Westby.  In this
area is a museum called Norskedalen which is dedicated
tp the Nordic settlers.

Ha det bra!

--Sue Stoen

email: sastoen@lamar.colostate.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: About AAland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:22:11 GMT

Martin Minow (minow@apple.com) wrote:
: In the thread discussing Aaland, Janne Kivela states:
: 
: >Aaland is a small meaningless archipelago and no one could possibly claim
: >that their autonomy causes significant problems to mainland residents.
: 
: I would respectfully suggest that the existance of Aaland has, in an
: extremely
: important fashion, made it possible for mainland Finland to remain
: independent
: of its neighbor to the East. I would argue that Swedish-speaking Aaland,
: belonging to Finland, demilitarized by treaty, coupled with Sweden's
: neutrality, 
: was the keystone that kept Finland from being swallowed by the Soviet Union
: after the Second World War. Finland, it may be noted, is the only European
: country with a significant border with Russia that remained independent.
: (For
: this note, I assume that Turkey's border is in Asia.)

Herregud which kind theory we have abouve!

Just a little note from me. During the second world war 1939-45 when the
Finns were fightning for their independency, the aland-islanders remained as
neutral and did not participate in the war against the russians.
Some aland-islanders were as volunteers but the rest stayed just in 
the auditorium and followed from there what the results of the war might be.
The Finns who fought for the independence of Finland did it as much
as for Aland.

 As a result of this war c. 100 000 young Finns lost their lives 
 and 400 000 became invalides for the rest of their lives.
If the russians had won that war and occupied Finland what do you think
of Aland's neutrality had remained? And now some alanders
are complainig that there are Finnish texts on some tins of the shelves
of their shops. Thanks very much!

It was the Finnish young men who fought for the neutrality of Aland
1939-45. It was not completed in the seminars and meetings.

 And you explain that the it was the vice versa?

Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti
Some sence
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Evil norwegian imperialist revisionist exposed! (was: Assimilationspolitik)
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:57:10 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov11.145302.16405@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
>I know, and ou should know, that through history there is clear
>evidence that the latest annexor (?) is the one who is the imperialist.

  Yup, so why have the so-called 'Norwegians' (in reality Danish colonizers)
colonized and annexed West-Sweden and renamed it 'Norway'? :)

>| Jan Arne Fagertun, Research Engineer, SINTEF Division Thermodynamics|

-bertil-
--
"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Some history about AAland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:27:00 GMT

Kent Sandvik (ksand@apple.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov6.102211.22556@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
: wrote:
: > Just a little note from me. During the second world war 1939-45 when the
: > Finns were fightning for their independency, the aland-islanders remained as
: > neutral and did not participate in the war against the russians.
: > Some aland-islanders were as volunteers but the rest stayed just in 
: > the auditorium and followed from there what the results of the war might be.
: > The Finns who fought for the independence of Finland did it as much
: > as for Aland.
: 
: Just a side note, they didn't even want to belong to Finland, and 
: ever since 1917 they tried to join Sweden. However Finland wanted to
: keep control of this tiny island of a reason I'm still not sure about...
: 
A little basic lecture in history of Aland. ]land |verf|rdes administrativt
s} tidigt som 1309 till Finland. Gr{nsen har varit d{r var det nu {r
sedan dess. Allts} |ver 600 }r. 1634 ]land sammanslogs med ]bo och Bj|rneborgs
l{n. Allts} |ver 300 }r sedan. I Fredrikshamns fred 1809 Russarna ville
ha hela Finland och d{rtill skulle Sveriges Kung avs{ttas. Allts}  om  det
 hela Finland f|rhandlades d} och inte om delar av Finland.
I Svenska  Historieb|cker st}r att Erik den Helige landsf|rvisades
till Finland. (Vart han skickades? Till Kastelholm,]land) 

N{r Finland blev sj{lvst{ndig d} f|rst fick ]land en sj{lvstyrelse, inte
under den ryska tiden, inte under den svenska tiden! Den gl|ms bort f|r
ofta. Jag {r mycket stolt av saken, f|r den betyder j{mf|rt med Sverige och
dess politik mot minoriteter att finnarna ligger mycket f|re Sverige.

En annan sak {r vad skall h{nda n{r eller om  Finland blir ett medlem
i Europeiska Gemenskapen. EG troligen skall inte acceptera ett historisk
relik som ]land som s}dan {r, med sina lagar som direkt diskriminerar
andra {n svensktalande.

Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti
En Finne igen


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.161044.5758@kth.se>, bolin@plafys (Odd Bolin, Royal Inst of Tech, Stockholm, Sweden) writes:
>Fortunately, most people here are pragmatic enough to realize that Western
>countries in general don't use their secret services to assassinate each other's
>leaders, so the story has only got sporadic coverage in the media.

Or more precicely, the assassinations tend to be limited to Southern
American countries and other not-so-important in the "western eyes".
At least those which come public.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re:WHALE burger 
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:09:03 GMT


> Gee, has anybody had a good WHALE burger recently?
> (time to switch to our other thread, I think)


There are only TWO threads! 
 
I've never had a whale burger, what does it taste like?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa)
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:07:23 GMT

In article <WALVER.92Nov13084010@kielo.uta.fi>, walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta) writes:
|> 
|>         ???
|> 
|>         Most of what? I think it's all right to have the message threads
|>         in Swedish in soc.culture.nordic, but so should it be all right
|>         to have the threads in Finnish as well. After all, although
|>         Finland does not belong to Scandinavia, it does belong to
|>         'nordic' :)
|> 
|>         -- Willy
--


I think it's all rigth, too. But if you post in a language that is
understood of only a minority, then you have to expect that only this
minority understands your posting. And since very few people outside
Finland understand finnish, then maybe there is no point (at least only
a weak point) in posting it outside Finland ?

On the other hand - if Jarmo posted in finnish, he would insult less
people .... :-)


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From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


>It has such a *nice* ring to it!! 

Yes indeedy.  For me, this is like finally waking up from a
12-year bad dream.

Now also try saying 
"Senator Carol Mosely Braun"

Also a rather nice ring (especially considering the toad she
was running against).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: satya@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Satya Bhamidipati)
Subject: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Keywords: alcohol, scandinavia
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:43:21 GMT

    This might be on oft repeated topic. Please excuse
    me if so...

	I have a finnish friend (from Helsinki) who says that
    alcoholism is rampant among men of Finland (Scandinavia in
    general). Is this true ? Are there any statistics to show
    that alcoholism is more/same/less than in other countries.
    From the picture my friend painted, it appears that a lot
    (no numbers) of MEN are alcoholics. 

       If this is true, could someone explain why this is so ?
    If this can be blamed on the conditions of weather etc., I
    would expect that women too would be alcoholics (in the same
    numbers as men) . Could someone clarify these thoughts (or 
    misconceptions) ?



    Satya (satya@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu)
From: frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Finns and Swedes and soc.culture.nordic
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:02:22 GMT
Organization: Frisk Software International, Iceland

achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen) writes:

>forever??? We also still miss the Icelandic people at these
>meetings, so you readers at Iceland, please write us so you could
>join next time in 1994).

Well, I can give two reasons why we were not there  :-)

    1) We did not know about it - at least I did not...

>Swedish/Norwegian/Danish well enough. English was probably more
>unknown to these people than even Danish.

    2) Many people here in Iceland would prefer English - I would
       probably not consider going a Scandinavian-only symposion, not
       even in a field I'm very interested in, like this one.

-frisk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:14:12 GMT

In article <ksand-101192180814@wintermute.apple.com>, ksand@apple (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
>realize the consequences. Especially if they want to kill the teaching
>of Swedish, and at the same time the economy in Finland is in shambles
>and their most important trade partners are in the West, not in the
>East. It's a good sign of narrow-minded thinking, IMHO.

Sure, it'll do much good for the trade with EC countries to know
Swedish.  Everybody knows that each and every person in the EC
countries is fluent in Swedish.  I think we should stop teaching
English and other languages in Finnish schools - Swedish is such an
important language in all of Finland's export depends critically on
people's ability to talk Swedish and thus all possible time must be
used to teach Swedish.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hpv@kelvin.uio.no (Hans Peter Verne)
Subject: Norway & Russia (was Re: Aaland and Finnish Independence)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:35:48 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.010700.15898@tdb.uu.se> t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman) writes:

>   Martin Minow (minow@apple.com) wrote:
>   : Note that Norway was an ally of the Soviet Union during World War II. As
>   : part of NATO (or whatever preceeded it in the late 1940's), any attempt
>   : of the Soviet Union to occupy Norway directly after the war would quite
>   : possibly have led to nuclear war (with only one side having the bomb at
>   : that time).
>
>   Norway allied to the Soviet Union? Norway part of NATO (or some equivalent)
>   during world war II? I think the Soviet Union would have had problems occupying
>   Norway directly after the war since there were some German soldiers there.
>   I am sure some Norwegian will tell us more about this alliance.

I'll try... All this from memory.

In the winter of 44-45, the Red Army invaded northern Norway and
threw the germans out of Finmark and (I think) northern Troms.

Of course, the russians was the enemy of our enemy, and thus our ally.
The germans tried to move the whole population of Finmark further south,
and burned all houses, etc. as they left. Some people fled into the 
highlands ("vidda") and welcomed the russians when they came.

I am not sure, but I think the Norwegian government in London approved
of the russian invasion. After all, they didn't have the experience
with Stalin as they later got (Berlin, all of east Europe, Hungary ... )

In may '45, when continental Germany surrendered, there was indeed quite
a lot of german soldiers here (There were plans of turning Norway into a 
"Festung Norwegen", a last resort for nazis). However, they surrendered too,
and no further allied invasion was necessary.

NATO was formed in '48 ( '49 ?), and Norway joined it more or less 
immediately. In the years in between, there was no formal defence
cooperation Norway-USA-UK that I know of (There was actually talk of a 
nordic (no/dk/se/fi ?) defence union, but that never became more than talk).

Much is said about the splitting of Europe in a eastern and western block,
but either, (northern) Norway was not among Stalin's claim, or USA/UK
would not let him have it ...

And eventually (I don't know when), the Red Army returned to russia.

I shall not speculate on what would have happened if the russians continued
occupying Norway. But Russia has never held claims on norwegian territory
(as they have for Finland), and we have actually never been in war with 
each other, so I don't think Stalin could have found an easy alibi for
invading us. 

Hugs, 
Hans Peter.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: K.R.Hauge@easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: U. of Oslo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:39:38 GMT

In article <HPV.92Nov12091858@kelvin.uio.no>, hpv@kelvin.uio.no (Hans Peter
Verne) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Nov11.195448.27905@kth.se> d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl) writes:
> 
> >   In article <1992Nov11.094515.5422@ericsson.se>, etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB) writes:
> >   |> The affair was solved by NF (1921?) by letting Aalnd be a ...
>                                 ^^
> >          about NF and didn't want to ewreck the NF at the beginning. Thus
>                  ^^                               ^^
> 
> I suppose you mean the United Nations - UN ?  What is "NF" supposed
> to be an abbrev for ?

He obviously means the League of Nations (Nationernas Foerbund). The UN had
not come into existence in 1921.


Kjetil Raa Hauge, U. of Oslo, Norway
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: FINNOFOBIA P] ALAND
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:13:41 GMT


Aland would be an ideal place for nuclear reactors.

--
jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: About AAland
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:18:52 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1dg9o1INN2e8@tik.vtt.fi>, Markku.Savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku
Savela) wrote:
> 
> In article <ksand-061192221932@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
> 
> >Just a side note, they didn't even want to belong to Finland, and 
> >ever since 1917 they tried to join Sweden. However Finland wanted to
> 
>  Why don't they start a move to join Sweden then? I don't think there
>  would be much opposition from mainland Finland to that move. Maybe
>  the Swedes don't want AAland? :-)

I think this was the case, Swedes didn't want to create a crisis by
taking over Aalan from Finns just after WW1. As for the movement, yes
it's still alive on Aaland, if they had a chance they would like to join
Sweden. And I'm sure Finland would not mind about this, right?

Kent
-------------------
Kent Sandvik (UUCP: ....!apple!ksand; INTERNET: ksand@apple.com)
DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mjh@stekt6.oulu.fi (Mauri Haikola)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Reply-To: mjh@stekt.oulu.fi
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.220537.11086@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:

> I risk being a racist - but I couldn't resist  (-:

> It sure is practical to post in a language that only a minority in
> Norden understands... :-)

Not only that, it's the best idea Jarmo has had for a long time
(ever?). This way, our international readers aren't bothered by his
raving, and we avoid flamewars that don't do any good for the
reputation of Finns on the net. I hope he keeps writing in Finnish; he
makes less mistakes in it, too.  :-)

Mauri
mjh@stekt.oulu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hpv@kelvin.uio.no (Hans Peter Verne)
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
	<1992Nov4.144704.15111@eua.ericsson.se>,<1992Nov4.152025.9370@lth.se>
	<1992Nov5.155510.758@kth.se>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:15:07 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.155510.758@kth.se> bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se writes:

>Actually, it is
>said to exist people even here who believes that Saddam Hussein started the
>Gulf War, not the coalition...

Err, Mr. Hussein invaded Kuwait, didn't he ?

Or, you mean that doesn't count as part of _The_ Gulf War ??

Hugs, 
Hans Peter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kkjendal@titan.ucc.umass.edu (KARL H KJENDAL)
Subject: Harmony amongst peoples
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:38:16 GMT

To all of those Racist individuals who have been leaving news around the
network,  Why dont you consider applying your efforts to creating some
solutions?
If we all work towards better relations amongst the nations and peoples
(after all regardless of the governments, it is the people who are or
are not predjudiced.)  Perhaps some good will come of it, whilst if we
continue to tear each other down it is guaranteed to dig us deeper into
the ditch of predjudice, racism, and provincialism.
Perhaps, coming from the US I cannot see the problems among the Swedes,
Finns and other Nordic cultures, but I have seen these problems on a
much larger scale in the U.S. where these problems plague everyone in
every city town and village.  Perhaps you would see how foolish all of
this petty bickering truly is if you looked at it globally.  If you had
witnessed a community of Finns, Swedes, and Norse in America you would
see how similar the base of the culture and how they bond together.
in short, make love not war!!!!
	;-)     :-)
				-Karl Henrik Kjendal

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster)
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:46:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.170440.6483@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov6.145325.25727@cs.cornell.edu>, elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
>>I know Olof wasn't too U.S.-friendly, but this sounds pretty strong!
>>(Especially since I can think of several other world leaders that
>>the U.S. would benefit more from terminating (Saddam, Mohammed, et al,
>>come to mind ...)
>
>I was most definitely no fan of Olof Palme, but to compare him to Saddam 
>Hussein is a bit unfair, I think...

I thought I was trying to set him APART from these guys .... oh, well ...

>And when it comes to Palme's attitudes to USA, there's ample evidence 
>that when he made his loud accusations in his public speeches in the 
>1970's, he had a very different attitude "in private", e.g. concerning 
>military intelligence cooperation with USA/NATO. Not that I'm surprised 

I'm not surprised either. Didn't he get an Ivy League education over here,
or is my memory playing games with me?

						Anne Cathrine
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From: bohn@ptolemy3.rdrc.rpi.edu (Jan Bohn)
Subject: ISO_8859_1
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:49:31 GMT


Does anyone know how to enable the UNIX system to use *REAL* characters
such as {\ae}, {\o}, and {\aa} ?

Does this have anything to do with 'ISO 8859-1' ?

-Jan Helge B{\o}hn
bohn@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: The Finns, an opressed minority in Sweden
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:28:17


>>>>> "Jarmo" == Jarmo Ryyti (ryyti@jyu.fi)

Jarmo> : Regards,
Jarmo> Jarmo Ryyti
Jarmo> : En Finne igen
Jarmo> : 
Jarmo> : And greetings for all swedish Finnish haters!

Soc.culture.nordic is getting to be a real, grown-up newsgroup, isn't
it. We even get to have our own Mutlu these days.

Sigh.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: matsa@tdb.uu.se (Mats Andersson)
Subject: Re: Tchudes in Pathfinder
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:12:25 GMT

  Unfortunately I strongly disagree on Your interpretation of "Tchudes".
 All evidence concerning the plot and linguistic reasons point to the
 identification of the "tchudes" with the nordic people in the subarctic
 region. The enthymology is to be found in the scandinavian word "thiudh",
 meaning people, folk or to some extent tribe. The word is still present
 in icl. Svithiodh, sw. Svitjod, ger. Schweden, eng. Sweden, as well as
 icl. thiodh, sw. tjuder. Presumably some remnants are to be found in
 Norwegian and Danish as well.

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