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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PCheads go *thud* Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again*
Date: 19 Jan 1993 23:47:27 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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'>>        I've finally had a chance to use the A1200HD for awhile, and they are
'>>   nice systems (although WB is still ugly).  But hardly more powerful then
'>>   a PC system selling for twice as much.
'>
'>Well, you could at least have run some preferences--When properly set
'>up, WB can be GORGEOUS.  After all, look at Ian's quote in my sig...  :)

	Well, personnal preference then.  I still like OS2's WPS a lot more.
   I still thought the A1200HD was a very nice system though, WB is only one
   part of it.

'>While some of those are nice, some of those are absolute garbage...
'>Games like Elite II promise to be absolute knockouts.  Strike
'>Commander is the same old, same old stuff.  UU2 is good, but it's just
'>like UU1.  X-Wing sounds like fun, but then again, it also sounds like
'>it's about 10 years old.  Harpoon II?  I hated Harpoon I!  Why settle
'>for _LESS_?  It's only _LESS_ if you assume that the only people who
'>do ground-breaking, kick-butt games are doing it for IBM systems.  I'd
'>take Psygnosis's stuff over this stuff any day.  :)

	I disagree, I think Strike Commander and X-Wing will be absolute
   knockouts also.  As far as Harpoon II goes, I only mentioned it because I
   am a dedicated wargamer.  Obviously, this all comes down to a persons
   likes and dislikes.  I wasn't trying to say that all the awesome games
   are on the IBM exclusively.  Just that if you are going to port them to
   the Amiga, at least choose the recent games, like WC II, Commanche, Aces
   of the Pacific, etc, etc.  Instead, companies seem to be porting older
   games like WC.  Think about it, already there is WC for the Amiga, now
   there is going to be an AGA version, why?  Why not leave WC as is and 
   create a AGA version of one of the newer games I mentioned above.

'>That's because Origin's stuff are based so much more around look than
'>they are in actual game depth that it's sickening.  Sierra is
'>BEGINNING to get the same way, unfortunately.  I no longer think of
'>Ultima the same way I used to--it was once the forefront of what I
'>considered a good RPG to be, it had me as interested as BT III ever
'>did.  It has "lost its magick".  The mechanics are lovely, but the
'>stories are lacking, now.

	I haven't played any of the regular Ultima series (1-7), but I have
    played Ultima Underworld and its sequel.  I thought the storyline on those
    was pretty nice.  Still the best adventure type games IMO.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Greg
'>(: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :)
'>(: "Just because Workbench isn't painted like a pimp's BMW doesn't    :)
'>(:  mean it's not sharp, elegant, and functional."    -Ian Kennedy    :)
'>(: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Wubba :)
From: 2rs9acevedom@vms.csd.mu.edu (Mario Acevedo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM history Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:21:31 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2rs9acevedom@vms.csd.mu.edu
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>>>Minor correction: Commodore started even earlier as a typewriter repair
>>>company. Later they had mechanical desktop calculators, then pocket
>>>calculators and LED watches, then the KIM, then (ta-dah!) the PET,
>>>the CBM's, VIC20, C64, PC 10, Amiga. (Anything missed?)
>
>How about the Plus/4?
>

Also, how about the Commodore 16 (16K +4), the Commodore 128, the B128 (weird
one), the 128 laptop (no sprites) and a bunch of weird incarnations of other
systems (i.e. MaxMachine (64 with only a cartridge port).

>>Goes to show how *old* I am to remember all that stuff! esp the KIM.
>>Time to apply for the old-age pension.... :-)
>>+-----+ Bernd Felsche                     _-,_|\  #include <std/disclaimer.h>
>>| | | | MetaPro Systems Pty Ltd          /  |   \ bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu


Mario Acevedo -- Marquette University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:29:23 GMT
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David Leslie (dleslie@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:
: In article gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

: >Anyone got the address/phone # for Earth First?
: >
: >Greg

: No, but you might try San Quentin, or other prisons on the west coast.
: Hey, remember a few years ago when those two earth first guys were on
: their way to blow up some logging equipment, and their car blew up??
: har har har! That was almost as good as the French sinking the
: Greenpeace ship! 

But not quite as good as when the U.S. Navy _______ rammed the Greenpeace 
boat.  Or when they tried to board some boat that was going down the Detroit
River, saying that it was carrying Chemical Wastes, or some such, even though
the boat's papers said it was carrying spare parts for cars.  However, 
those oh-so-smart people at Greenpeace didn't believe them, so they boarded
the boat.  Guess what they found?  Spare parts for cars.... har har har...
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This newsgroup is like a big cuddly never ending witch hunt.  The  / For the
only problem is that instead of spears and flaming piles of wood, / creative
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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
From: korpela@rocket.ssl.berkeley.edu (Eric J. Korpela)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:29:49 GMT
Organization: Cal Berkeley-- Space Sciences Lab
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In article <1k4rfcINN2hg@giraf.cs.ubc.ca> mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller) writes:
>Probably.  Similar things exist for the Amiga.  Unfortunately, not all
>problems are solved this way.  Any applications you run will expect
>paths with backslashes in them still, and this could be confusing:
>for example, don't expect any C source files containing a path in
>an #include directive to work with forward slashes.
>

Wrongo...  I've never met an MSDOS C compiler that doesn't allow the
use of a forward slash for directories.  Most of the MSDOS software
I use allows forward slashes as well.  It's only the brain dead utilities
that come with dos itself that complain.

Eric Korpela                                    |  The two most common things
korpela@cea.berkeley.edu              Internet  |  in the universe are
BKYAST::KORPELA    42215::KORPELA     DecNet    |  Hydrogen and stupidity.
korpela%bkyast@ucbjade                Bitnet    |       -Harlan Ellison
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:59:02 GMT
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Stephan Mueller (mueller@cs.ubc.ca) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan21.140640.2141@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
: >In article <1jkvsvINN9jn@cobra.cs.ubc.ca>, mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller) writes (about deleting nested directories):
: >>True.  A couple of things to note, however:
: >>  1) this deficiency is easy to fix with third
: >>	 party programs.  If you need it, I'll uuencode
: >>	 and mail you a <5K program called deldir to do
: >>	 this.
: >>  2) Windows NT's delete command has an option to
: >>	 delete recursively.
: >
: >Thats right up there w/ "Yea OS4.0 has a driver for AGA so it not a problem"

: Not exactly.  I wasn't suggesting it's not a problem.  1) is a
: workaround for what (by the existence of a workaround) must be a
: problem. 2) is more an indication of future help:  Given that NT's
: delete command supports subdirectories, perhaps DOS 6.0 will feature
: it as well.

: >If it's not in the stores, it'n not a soultion.

: Well, I doubt you'll find a PD undelete program in any store, but if
: you mean 'available to the public' then isn't that a solution?

: If you want Windows NT, call your local Microsoft office with credit
: card in hand, and ask for the Windows NT Beta SDK.  You'll have software
: in your hands within a week.  Maybe not in stores, but mail order
: should be good enough to qualify as a solution.

Is this before or after you get the 8megs to load the damn thing, and 8 more
to do anything useful with it?

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zarthac@buhub  /             / user idiocy. - Charles C. Bundy IV       /   ///
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And I've seen Windows CRASH, too...  nothing is bulletproof, you just /\\\/// 
need a big enough bullet. - Frank R. Dana, Jr.                       /  \XX/ 
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This newsgroup is like a big cuddly never ending witch hunt.  The  / For the
only problem is that instead of spears and flaming piles of wood, / creative
we have soft cushy pillows. - Ian Kennedy (c.s.a.a)              / mind.
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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: hyongel@cco.caltech.edu (Hyong Chol Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Cars (was: Re: Commodore announces price cuts on)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:56:25 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:

>Not to mention that Hydrogen can be stored as water and converted only
>AS NECESSARY when running the car, therefore you don't have a tank full
>of volitile liquid (unless you're the Wicked Witch of the West :-). 
>Imagine filling your tank with a garden hose?  The interesting part is
>that the exaust (water vapor) can be recycled back into your fuel supply.

At the risk of posting to a discussion that really doesn't belong here, there
can't be a water driven hydrogen car because when you burn hydrogen, you're
turning it into water and get energy. If you start with water, you have to 
put in as much energy to turn the water into hydrogen as you'll get back
when you burn it. So .. basically, you'd be running on whatever energy you use
to turn the water to hydrogen, and you might just as well take the hydrogen
out of the loop. I'm pretty sure this is the way the 2nd law of thermodynamics
would have it.

>	Thanks
>	Robert Fentiman

>UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
>At: University of Minnesota, Duluth


-- 
				- hyong
hyongel@punisher.cco.caltech.edu
"You do not like them. So you say. Try them! Try them! And you may.
Try them and you may, I say.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams speaks
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:32:43 GMT

Richard Akerman (akerman@qucis.queensu.ca) wrote:
> [of the design and user interface of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 

I think you knew that this article was 42nd (!) of the unread ones of
mine I saw today....

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: Fruitcakes and Politicians, was Electric cars and Al Gore
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:28:58 GMT
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Mark 'Mark' Sachs (MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan28.014358.18238@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson
: Daniel A) says:
: >Does the word 'fruitcake' come to mind here?
: Mmmmm! Fruitcake! Yum. 'Specially with cherries...
: Oh, Al Gore. Well, actually the word that comes to mind is "mahogany". The
Actually, I was thinking more of his flawless impersonation of a tree...

: problem is of course that there's nothing for the vice-president to actually
: _do_...
Unless Clinton gets assassinated (which would be a good thing, but then you'd
have Gore as President....  Hmmm... Maybe a double assassination then?

: so Al will have a boring eight years, although at least he'll get
: to become President afterwards for another eight, 'zat answer your
Try again.... the Hick will have a fun four years as he merrily attempts to
suck the country dry, then we get Republicans back in office (A Good Thing)
for at least another 12 years...

ObNothing: At least with a Democrat Congress and Exec. Branch, when they
do f**k up, there'll be nobody to blame but themselves!

: ObAdvocacy: The 3DO machine calculates vectors faster than the Iris Indigo,
: has more CPU power than a Cray II, costs less than a Sinclair ZX-81, moves
: faster than a bullet train, leaps tall buildings in a single bound and will
: bring about eternal peace and the rebirth of the entire human race on a higher
: plane of existence.
Yeah, well I just plug my $.01 BLAZE-EMULATOR into my pencil eraser, and I can
emulate 4 3DO's!! At the same time!

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zarthac@buhub  /             / user idiocy. - Charles C. Bundy IV       /   ///
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And I've seen Windows CRASH, too...  nothing is bulletproof, you just /\\\/// 
need a big enough bullet. - Frank R. Dana, Jr.                       /  \XX/ 
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This newsgroup is like a big cuddly never ending witch hunt.  The  / For the
only problem is that instead of spears and flaming piles of wood, / creative
we have soft cushy pillows. - Ian Kennedy (c.s.a.a)              / mind.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:08:35 GMT

In article <1jl1boINN9pn@cobra.cs.ubc.ca> mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.230815.6107@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>That brings up something else: Does OS/2 still use the retard slash for
>>directories or have the OS folks come to their senses?  That one mistake
>>by Microsoft is an even bigger blunder than MS-DOS itself...
>
>Yes, OS/2 and Windows NT both use the backslash for filenames.  The
>reason is backwards compatibility.  The original reason for using
>the backslash, is that DOS 1.0 had no subdirectories at all, and had
>decided to use the forward slash to specify options.  Once that standard
>was set, it wasn't feasible to use the forward slash for directories
>and hence the backslash was used. 

Ugh, I'll pass then.  Maybe someone will write a shell for OS/2 and WinNT
to provide them with the standard slash.

>>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who hates using the retard slash
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>stephan("who never heard it called a retard slash before");

It's in reference to the fact that MS-DOS is retarded and having to 
type the damn thing is a total pain in the ass.  

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:49:11 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan21.224410.1853@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>Anyone heard anything lately about hydrogen power?  I recall seeing a 
        ^^^^^                                                 ^^^^^^
Well, I recall -hearing- (you did ask what we've heard, not what we've seen --
hey buddy, learn to stay on topic or you'll be flamed to never neverland
where you'll spend the rest of your life stitching SHADOWs with WEB-multi-
threading back onto retired Blazemonger Customer Support Professional
Dodging team [two points for each location of a hidden commercial ;)]),
anyway, I recall -hearing- a joke about a teacher and where her blue
eyes ended up, want to hear it?

I'm fairly sure that had something to do with hydrogen :) :)

>program on the television about such a beast.  The fuel was expensive to
>produce, but they said it would be cheaper if mass-produced and the source

Hey, bud, Jupiter is a long way away....

>(water) is almost limitless.  If I'm not mistaken, the only pollution was

Well, okay, water, nevermind :)
Priced bottled water lately, though?  A lot of bottled water is actually
MORE EXPENSIVE than gasoline -- expecially if we eliminate the gasoline
taxes....  Now where does that leave us?  Hmmm....

>ObAdvocacy:
>How good or bad is Commodore with regard to the environment?  I saw a report

My girlfriend is insisting on collecting all of their "recyclable"
AmigaMail mailing-envelopes.  She's threatening to mail them all back to
Cmdre for recycling if I don't find a place to recycle them....  ;)

True story.

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jawil@hpx14.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens)
Subject: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP 
Organization: AID
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:57:07 GMT

Yesterday I got to know that anybody who wants to, can get the latest version
of OS/2 whenever they want absolutely free of charge by FTP'ing to 
software.watson.ibm.com, login anonymous and cd to /pub/os2/beta

The user offcourse has to read and agree with a README file before getting
them. Here's some lines from it:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
USER AGREEMENT

BY ACCEPTANCE AND USE OF THESE EXPERIMENTAL PROGRAMS THE USER AGREES
TO THE FOLLOWING:

a. This program is provided for the user's personal, non-commercial,
   experimental use and the user is granted permission to copy these
   programs to the extent reasonably required for such use.

b. All title, ownership and rights to this program and any copies remain
   with IBM, irrespective of the ownership of the media on which the
[etc.]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why can't Commodore do the same?? Why do we have to pay for becoming beta
testers? Why is everything so secret when Commodore are developping something?

Any answers Commodore?
-- 
                               Jan Roger Wilkens
                     Student at Agder Engeeniering School
                               Computer Technics

                              EMail: jawil@aid.no
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:10:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmger.10607
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan25.160111.14218@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>Oh my.  I don't think I'd ever want to be a guest at your house.  

You are rude and impolite. Did anybody tell you this already?

>Seriously, advocacy groups always invite others to join in.  

Of course. There are really nice and teaching discussions going on with
advocates of other systems who simply give statements like "oh, but I think
my beloved BozoComp does this peculiar thing better in that it...".
This can be very entertaining, especially if that person is openminded
enough to also acknowledge advantages other systems have. So there is the
possibility of a fruitful and entertaining discussion where in ideality
differing opinions can join asymptotically (sp?) into one "ideal" system
everyone wants, but that's not yet provided by any manufacturer. But this
way you can define goals where the development should go during the next
time. And engineers follow such proposals if these are common wishes,
we had already examples. The recent one is that engineering realized they
could not put already everything into the new AA chips, they had to choose
among alternatives and trade-offs. And they got the impression here from
the net that the biggest wish was for more colors, and resolution only
ranked second, and thus these chips turned out as they are now. This is 
the great, *positive* spirit that is possible in .advocacy.

Yet it becomes annpying when certain people use .advocacy to only bash
other systems. And the annoying maxes out when these certain persons turn
out to be not really in the know about the issues they choose to talk about
so loudly...

>If you don't like what someone is saying here, prove them wrong, 

Jerry, exactly this was done to you millions of times, but you still
insist on your dumb bashing.

>The fact that you created the group does not add any
>credibility or justification for your flaming and mudslinging.

LOOK INTO THE MIRROR!  LOOK INTO THE MIRROR!  LOOK INTO THE MIRROR!

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!