HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mark Gansle)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Tom on religion
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:37:51 GMT
Reply-To: zeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mark Gansle)
Distribution: world, usa, na

tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>Of course, this will probably devolve into a claim that science is a
religion...  Science is knowledge[...]

And a little later:
>For example, some people seem to have trouble grasping
the fact that todays paradigm can be tossed out tomorrow in the light
of a better paradigm or new evidence.

And then he spent the rest of the letter expounding on the virtues of
science and the evils of religion.  His major premise was that any
sincere belief in religion amounts to fundamentalism ("No thank you Mr
Fundie") and was a priori evil.  And then some nonsense about How do you
feel about the Inquisition, as though things like this are the the
domain only of religion and that most religious people generally approve
of the Inquisition.

Now, while I must admit that the analytical thinking has given us many
benefits, both technological and social, I must take issue with two of
Tom's points.  Point one is that religion is necessarily detrimental,
capable only of oppression.  This sort of assertion ignores the huge
decline in, dare I say it, morality since the Industrial Revolution
along with community cohesion.  And I'll be the first to say that
morality and brotherhood is an asset.

The second point which Tom errs on is the infallibility of science (see
above).  First he says that science is knowledge (it is not, it is an
attempt to explain observed phenomenon) and then he goes on to say,
Yeah, we keep getting it wrong, but that's the *strength* of science,
don't you see?  Anyone familiar with higher physics knows that the
"science" is highly mystical.  The secular high priests, quantum
physicists, hand down from on high these inscrutable statements about
how the world was made (it all started as a point of energy, then
exploded), about what everything is made of (well, it's all these little
bitty points, none of which we can confirm exists so you're gonna have
to take it on faith) and how we came to be (well, we *evolved*. 
Evidence?  Fie on thee, infidel!)  None of this can be proven (sound a
little like the existence of God?) and yet we are supposed to accept
these answers to the most fundamental questions of existence because
science is right and religion is, to use Tom's phrase, voodoo.

Science is a useful tool, but that's all that it is.  Secular theists
like Tom worship the tool and fail to see its limitations.  For people
like Tom, science is a religion; any other viewpoint adresses science
with a little bit of skepticism, not adulation.

+-------------------------+-------------------------+
|Cloud-gathering Zeus     |Think globally.          |
|                         |Act locally.             |
|zeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  |Eat my shorts totally.   |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+

 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Subject: Mario...Mario...(was Re: George Will on the GOP)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:12:20 GMT


Steve Tyree writes

>  At least no one caught up in the feeding freenzy pulled a mario cuomo. 
> Mario previously stated that he would vote for Bush rather then Bill 
> Clinton. He has since retracted this statement. Perhaps thats why Mr. 
> Bill has offered a spot on the Supreme Court to Mario Cuomo.

Or, is that BECAUSE Bill has offered a spot on the Supreme Court to Mario?

clueless chuck
From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton & Taxes: 7% f
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

KM>Subject: Re: Clinton & Taxes: 7% f
KM>Message-ID: <1992Aug20.165207.18260@news.ysu.edu>
KM>Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
KM>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:52:07 GMT

ae642@yfn.ysu.edu, Kelly Miller writes:

KM>In a previous article, tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) says:

KM>>>You just can't get
KM>>>something for nothing.  The constitution grants us 'the right to the
KM>>>pursuit of happiness', not a right to happiness.  There's a rather big
KM>>>difference.  And the Dems have never understood it.  Or perhaps, they do
KM>>>understand too well, and get rich and powerful over it.

KM>Funny...
KM>Aren't an overwhelming majority of the rich and powerful conservative
KM>Republicans?

Hehehehe.  Perhaps you are right.  But how did they get that way?  By
advocating a larger gov't?  Doubtful.  Maybe all of the democrats are
just jealous!  :-)

KM>>This reminds me of the ABC news lastnight, where they were discussing the
KM>>so-called failed economic agenda of Bush.  A thousand points of light was
KM>>discussed and then Jennings says, "but that doesn't help Jack Mimmers of
KM>>Ohio..he's out of work."  Like, the gov. is supposed to guarantee his job?

KM>Guarantee?  No.
KM>But when our country's jobs are being handed to third-world countries by
KM>Republican ideas of "Free Trade", I think it's a legitimate point.

Oh, give me a break!  I can't buy that for one minute!  You cannot
associate short term results of corrections to long term problems with
the assumption that such results will always be representative.

Regards,
Todd

---
 . OLX 2.2 . Elephant : a mouse built to government specs. - Heinlein
From: jbuckner@lonestar.utsa.edu (James A. Buckner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: GOP Convention Speeches
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:16:58 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

I have heard from those who do not have a Compuserve account.  Don't
worry, though.  The transcripts will be posted on Monday.

Update about Compuserve access to the speeches.  They are avilable in
separate files in the same place as the big file.
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh Newsletter Information/Phone Numbers
Keywords: Newsletter,Rush,Limbaugh,EIB
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:19:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg) writes:

>Would you (and other subscribers) consider posting a review of the
>newsletter after you get it?

I would have no problem with this.

>I like listening to Rush, but I am uncertain whether his appeal can be
>translated to the printed word. Also, there are other print resources
>already out there (_American Spectator_, _Conservative Chronicle_, etc.). 
>I wonder how Rush's newsletter will compare to them?


I would be interested in reading the publications for comparision.  Can
someone post the address and phone number of the publisher(s).  I too
wonder what the newsletter will be like, but I will toss some money into
the economy and give it a shot.

Dittos,


-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
__________________________________________________

"We're sailing on the wind of better days"
From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bush's broken promise
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

To: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh



   .Subject: Re: Bush's broken promises (was Re: Clinton's broken promise)
   .Message-ID: <1992Aug22.204013.6204@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
   .Date: 22 Aug 92 20:40:13 GMT

alt.fan.rush-limbaugh (Arthur C. Adams) writes:

ACA.In article <1992Aug22.134641.24704@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley M
   .r) writes:
   .>
   .>It's not like Bush has never broken any promices
   .>
   .>"Read my lips: No new taxes"
   .>"3,000,000 new jobs in the next 4 years"
   .>

ACA.A promise to sign an executive order requiring school schildren to say the
   .Pledge of Allegiance daily (from the '88 election)

ACA.A promise to sign another executive order allowing Chinese students to stay
   .in this country longer than normally allowed after Tiananmen Square (promise
   .after vetoing a congressional bill that would do the same thing)

You know, it would really be nice if Congress were not allowed to add
unrelated ammendments to bills before Congress.  Let's vote on the
proposed legislation as it stands.  Then maybe the President could be
more purist about what he vetoes or signs.  In other words it isn't fair
to talk about the Tiananmen Square legislation that he didn't sign until
you also identify what the rest of that legislation contained.  Perhaps
I would be glad he didn't sign it.

Regards,
Todd

---
 . OLX 2.2 . Adolescence: Betweenn puberty and adultery.
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The George Bush Fan Club?
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:21:55 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 19768@cs.rose-hulman.edu, pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
>Question for all the Clinton folk out there...what happened?  Why, during  
>the primaries, did it look like George was going to run away with this  
>whole thing and leave Clinton (and even Perot, at the beginning) eating  
>his dust, and now, just six months later, Bush's campaign is in disarray  
>and he can't catch Clinton no matter what he does?
>What do the American people know now that they didn't know six months ago?

I think you can point to a number of things.  First, the party of god (GOP)
laid it on a bit thick during the convention and scared the heck out of alot
of sane people who do not want the religious right running the government.
Second, the state of the economy sucks and the bushman seems incapable of
offering anything to fix it other than blaming Congress or offering up
short-term capital gains tax cuts.  Third, unemployment figures look rather
daunting and people out of work typically do not vote for a sitting president,
and this include people who have jobs that are tenuous.  Fourth, the bushman
has surrounded himself with incompetence, Sununu, Skinner, Quayl, Gray, etc.,
who have all done nothing to help their boss, in most cases embarrassing him.
Fifth, attacks on Clinton have been effectively counterpunched, immediately
and effectively.  Sixth, the commie-red-scare and no-new-taxes issues are
dead, dead, dead.

Lastly, Bush is incompetent on domestic issues, which has been proven again
and again.  He can't get it done, regardless of who he tries to blame or
what he tries to do.  He's a failure.

---
===============================================================================
Mitch Sako	LSI Computing Systems			Office	408-433-4187
internet:	msako@lsil.com				FAX	408-433-8796
uucp:		lsil!msako
RIME:		->REDBARON, conference=POLITICS
Disclaimer:	Opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone and do not
		reflect those of anyone else including my organization,
		my management or my mother
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Summary Mon 8/31/92
Keywords: Unofficial Summary Rush Limbaugh
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:24:47 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Distribution: world,usa,na
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Sep2.182141.6310@natinst.com> davoli@natinst.com (Russell Davoli) writes:
->This seemed pretty clear to me.  The gambling industry in question (horse
->racing I think) was given a small tax break but allowed to operate more days
->during the year.  Thus although the tax rate dropped revenue increased
->because more money was gambled and subject to tax over the course of the
->extended operating season.  Will made the point the because the tax revenue
->increased, the Bush campaign called this a tax increase, but if this is so,
->then by the same logic a capital gains tax cut that resulted in more tax
->revenue due to growth should be called a tax increase.  The analogy seems
->pretty good to me.  In both cases, a form of growth has occurred that
->results in an increase in revenue, rather than simply raising the tax rate
->on existing activity to increase revenue.  Looks to me you got a little
->carried away by the details in the analogy.  I thought this was a good point,
->and the Bush campaign ought to be ashamed of itself if they really are
->claiming such increases in tax revenue the same thing as an increase in
->tax rates.

 So how do you compare the government allowing an industry to operate more
often with a capital gains tax cut. I thought the standard democratic line
was that a capital gains tax cut only helped the rich.
 The reason the governments revenues increased in the horse racing buissness
is due to having the buissness operate more often. Not just due to giving
them a tax break. If Arkansas had dropped the tax by 1 percent and not 
had the buissness operate more often, revenues would still have increased.
Not from the track buissness but due to the owners (stockholders) of the
buissness having more capital to spend elsewhere in the economy.
 The fact that the buissness runs longer is what makes it a targeted tax
increase. Again a statists decided that revenues from gambling was more
important than revenues from a free market.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: A few quotes from a few years ago
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:23:47 GMT
Distribution: world, usa, na
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

>      What about if I individually decide to post the Ten Commandments
> in my classroom?

>     Whatever happened to academic freedom?  If another educator decides
>NOT to post the Ten Commandments and not teach creationism, then more
>power to her/him.  Just let me present many points of view.
> 
>     -- C. Perttunen

I'll support your right to put up the ten commandments,  if you'll 
support my right to put up Satanic religious artifacts,  and then
support my right to use subtle peer and teacher pressure to convert
kiddies...  And let's not forget the ever popular celebration
of Lupercalia, and the deflowering of Virgins at the alter of Priapus.


"Just let me present many points of view."

How often?  Once?  Twice?  Weekly,  daily?  How often am I supposed to let
you try to shove Christianity down the throats of my kids?
Xref: sparky alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:5004 alt.rush-limbaugh:4189
From: jbuckner@lonestar.utsa.edu (James A. Buckner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: About the posts
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:34:03 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Forget what I said about the posts.  There are no funny characters at
the end of each line.  The postings do have a few spelling errors, but
those were there when I got the file from CompuServe.

Enjoy.  To all who went to the trouble of e-mailing me, your prayers
have been answered.

I expect plenty of feedback from these speeches.  Thank you's are 
deeply appreciated.  If you wish to use quotes from my postings,
please trim to just the text that you wanted highlighted.

The Blue Demon thanks you for your patience.

BTW, can anyone mail me the Rush Limbaugh Show summary for August 27?

Thanks again.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Info on Dan Quayle's camera coverage during Buchanan's speech
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:32:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug26.192647.27789@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.183449.22561@athena.cs.uga.edu>, tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
>
>|> Could you qive your source for Quayle having smoked cannabis in college.
>
>	The same source that described Clinton's drug use, his college buddies.
>In Quayle's case, there's a guy who claims to have been Quayles dealer who's
>been talking about selling Quayle small amounts of dope on a dozen or so
>occasions. He's been backed up by a half dozen or so other witnesses who
>have (as yet) declined to go public.
>
>	Quayle has denied it, of course, but the dealer has managed to get
>all of the details right (re dates and times) so it's certainly possible.
>Dan is on record as supporting marijuana legalization while he was in the
>senate, although I think he's dropped the subject since then. I think, 
>though, that anyone who is willing to go out on a limb for grass has probably
>tried it.
>
>	It wouldn't get Quayle convicted, I know, but if it's good enough
>for the GOP, it's good enough for me. I can produce the dealers name, if
>anyone cares, I just don't remember it off-hand.
>

The dealer is a known liar.  The whole Doonesberry cartoon  deal was
pathetic.  There was no substantiation for such charges.  Let the other
witnesses come out and speak for themselves.  It hard to take a convicts
word for such a thing.  

The congressional record thing is interesting.  Send along the exact record
number and date so that I can ponder the issue.

Personally, I think cannabis should be legal, although I have never tried it
nor will unless I'm severely in pain and nothing else will help.


ted
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen)
Subject: Phyllis Schlafly (was: Hillary Clinton)
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:48:33 GMT

In article <j==na6a.mvp@netcom.com> mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.004337.19230@leela.cs.orst.edu> chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen) writes:
>>Phyllis Schafly's children, I understand, live with relatives in
>>another state, so she can pursue her career as a conservative advocate
>>of "family values."
>
>I believe Phyllis Schafly's children are grown, with children
>of their own.
>
>I used to like Mz Shafly, but her attacks on Dr. Koop have caused me
>to lose all respect for her.
>

Sorry.  You're right.  I had Mz Schlafly confused with Connaught Marshner, a
writer formerly with the Heritage Foundation.


David Christensen
chrisda@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Media Bias?????
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:55:56 GMT

shou1@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Roger Shouse) writes:

>I was extremely impressed by Kemp and I guess I see him as the front runner
>in 96.

I tend to agree. Grahm is also listed as a potential candidate in 96, but
based upon his speech, I think he would be too boring to get elected. His
speech-giving ability needs to be refined quite a bit, even though he may
be an intelligent and gifted statesman.

MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / Sex is hereditary. If your 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /  parents never had it, chances 
--    UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd  /   are you won't either...
-- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347              /
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Capital gains idiocy (was Clinton's broken promise)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:29:15 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Chuck Writes:
>But I digress.  Keeping taxes low would encourage people to put more money  
>into the economy, and (just like what happened during the Reagan years)  
>tax revenue would INCREASE, inflation would SLOW DOWN or STOP, and  
>corporations might just be persuaded to hire MORE WORKERS, by way of  
>having the money to pay them.
>clueless chuck
>PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu

Why can't certain economist and others figure this principle out? Higher
taxes do mean more investment, but only gauranteed investment in the most
uncompetitive and mediocore way.  Certainly some of the tax relief will be
pocketed by businesses  and individuals (which is always important), but
much of the  income will be spent, either in terms of investment or fun
expenditures, or even given away to charities.  There are so many advantages
to a true market system with low tax burden.

tk
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Marilyn Quayle
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:38:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Aug29.005539.18480@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>
>Everytime I saw Marilyn Quayle I always got a feeling that she reminded
>me of some famous movie or TV character.  I finally figured out who Marilyn 
>Quayle reminds me of  -  Mr. Ed !!
>
>Wouldn't that make a good "update" theme song?
>
>"A horse is a horse, of course, of course.."

Actually, I've always thought she has an uncanny resemblance to Lily Tomlin.

"We don't care. We're Republicans. We don't have to. Haw haw haw."
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
E-Mail acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Republicans and the Far Right
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:58:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug24.160043.28859@dbsun.uucp> hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:
>acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
>>
>>The Republican party is being very distinctly taken over by its radical
>>right wing, dominated by extremist religious fundamentalists and crackpots.
>
>Yup.  I voted Reagan in '84 and Bush in '88, and I will *not* vote for
>them again until they can loosen religious right's grip on the party.

Religious ideas have always had a "grip" on the republican party.  And
especially great presidents of the U.S.  Go and read Abraham Lincoln and you
will be amazed.

tk
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: George Will on the GOP
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:01:28 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 4qF@news.cso.uiuc.edu, daniels@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel R. Sawyer) writes:
>Go George Will!  Although I'll skip his baseball stuff, I gladly read his
>columns.  The Republican Party needs to dump all of the right-wing gutter types
>like Robertson and those quasi-journalists Limbaugh and Buchanan who just say
>anything to see their name in print/on air.
>The GOP could be a really great, all-American inclusive party if they just got
>rid of the kooks.
>Too bad I'll have to vote for Clinton this year.  Maybe if they lose this 
>election they will learn.

Jack Kemp/George Will would be unbeatable in '96, and I'm a Democrat, a member
of the intelligensia, and a member of the cultural elite.

---
===============================================================================
Mitch Sako	LSI Computing Systems			Office	408-433-4187
internet:	msako@lsil.com				FAX	408-433-8796
uucp:		lsil!msako
RIME:		->REDBARON, conference=POLITICS
Disclaimer:	Opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone and do not
		reflect those of anyone else including my organization,
		my management or my mother