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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Strange message in UUCICO session..
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 17:24:12 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> All these errors are "bad-header" errors.. have I inadvertantly turned on
> XON/XOFF merely by changing the "driver" parameter in the static file?

Of course not!  Turning it off has no effect.  It seems that was a bit of
a red herring, as the other sysadmin was mucking about (independently) with
his own chat script for calling my system...  sorry!

-- 
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     I've quit ^^^^ using the registered US domain .waffle.atl.ga.us
     as my mail forwarder has gone to visit Elvis!
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From: zeta%tcscs@idss.nwa.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Reading news - N is NEXT what?! And - SIGS
Keywords: rn news next groups sig mail
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 21:25:05 CST
Reply-To: srcsip!tcscs!zeta
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

tomg@cuckoo.egg.com (Grand Master) writes:

> steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:
> 
> > In article <Z8FkTB5w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> > >david@csource.oz.au (david nugent) writes:

> > >I'm one who has purchased the MS-DOS sources.  I don't know how many of us
> > >there are who have done so.  Am I the only one who feels a bit <cheated> i
> > >not getting the sources to the various utilities?  Yes, you read me correc
> > >the source distribution for v1.65 only includes source to WAFFLE, and does
> > >not include source for UUXQT, BATCH, UUCP, nor (most imporantly) does it
> > >include the source for UUCICO.
> > >
> > 
> > This could well be becasue they are still copyrighted sources. In that case
> > the copyright might well be restricting the distribution of the sources.
> > 
> Copywritten or not I am glad that this was posted. I was about to 
> purchase the source for Waffle. I will go spend my $120 somewhere else. 
> If I put out money for source then I want the whole source and not a 
> small part of it.

Actually, from what I understand, you get MOST of the source code, you just
dont get some of the uu utilities such as UUCICO and UUXQT, etc.  But if you
want to look at UUCICO source code, look into the UUPC source file....I 
believe it had UUCICO source in it.  It may not be the same as Waffle's
UUCICO, but it still implements the g protocol...

I could be wrong about the Waffle Source Code.  I've not gotten it yet, so
I don't know.

Greg


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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Settings, we need settings
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:38:17 GMT
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden) writes:

> 
> Anybody who would like to share the complete list of their
> Trailblazer settings, I would indeed be grateful.  First
> look:  it will not lock any higher than 9600 baud.  And
> the `FAST-uucp' connects, which I understand are PEP, are
> not really that fast - some 500 cps, on average.  I suspect
> a bit of fine-tuning ahead.

Here's one I've been using on a T3000 that seems pretty bulletproof. I'm
running BNU with the port speed locked at 19.2

Note that the S58 and S68 registers seemed to be the most critical to getting
this configuration working.

T3000SA - Version LA3.00 - Active Configuration
 B1  E1  L2  M0  Q0  T   V1  X4  Y0 
&C1 &D2 &G0 &J0 &L0 &Q0 &R3 &S0 &T4 &X0 
S000:1   S001=0   S002=43  S003=13  S004=10  S005=8   S006=2   S007=40 
S008=2   S009=6   S010=14  S011=70  S012=50  S018=0   S025=5   S026=1  
S038=0   S041=0   S045=0   S046=0   S047=4   S048=0   S050=0   S051:5  
S056=17  S057=19  S058:2   S059=0   S060=0   S061=1   S062=15  S063=0  
S064=0   S068:2   S069=0   S090=0   S093=8   S094=1   S100=0   S102=0  
S104=0   S105=1   S111:30  S112=1   S180=2   S181=1   S183=25  S190=1  
S253=10  S254=255 S255=255
OK


--
"A leopard never changes his stripes" 
           -- Al Gore, candidate for vice-president
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:28:20 EST
From: James J. Brennan <JB8625A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Request: Introducing management to gw?

    I am trying to get management to invest in groupware, but I have
no purchasing power whatsoever.  I am looking for ways to introduce
groupware into the organization and to sell management on the idea that
groupware products could greatly increase productivity in our software
development group.  I would appreciate hearing about both successful and
unsuccessful approaches to getting management's approval.

Thanks,
Jim Brennan
E-mail JB8625a@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: zanetti@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Alessandro Zanetti)
Subject: Re: "selling" groupware to management
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:49:14 GMT

James J. Brennan <JB8625A@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>     I have identified several groupware products that would be of great
>use where I work, but am not in a strong position to get management to
>consider such an investment.  If anyone has any experiences - positive or
>negitive on trying to introduce groupware into an organization from
>a position outside of normal management structures, I whould greatly
>appreciate hearing about them.
>      Thanks,

>      Jim Brennan
>      jb8625a@auvm.american.edu

I'm interested in people with experiences on trying to introduce groupware
into an organization and overall users of such software(see COORDINATOR,...).

This is because I'm working on a project, software as support for collaborative
work (typically in offices).

-----
Alessandro Zanetti
Department of Computer Science, University of Milan - ITALY

email: zanetti@ghost.dsi.unimi.it
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: A.Schappo@lut.ac.uk (Andre Schappo)
Subject: Re: Groupware for Macintosh
Followup-To: comp.groupware
Organization: Loughborough University, UK
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 12:03:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.091344.27127@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
chwelos@csri.toronto.edu (Greg Chwelos) wrote:
> 
> If by communicating you mean video (desktop video-conferencing), then I 
> don't believe there are any
> commercial systems available, though numerous research prototypes exist,
> Including CAVECAT here at U of Toronto, and Cruiser at Bellcore.
> Check out the CSCW/groupware/HCI literature.
> 
> greg

There is a commercial desktop video conferencing for the Macintosh now
available. It is called ES*F2F. I saw a demo of it and it is very good. The
distributor for it here in the UK is Frontline Distribution from whom you
can get more details, email: uk0013@applelink.apple.com

Andre Schappo: Dept. Computer Studies, University of Technology,
               Loughborough, Leics, UK, LE11 3TU.
        email: A.Schappo@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: mowbray@rod.mitre.org (Tom Mowbray)
Subject: Standards for Groupware
Keywords: CSCW, GROUPWARE, STANDARDS, OSF/GAIA, OMG CORBA
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:58:41 GMT

The "Standards for Groupware" birds-of-a-feather session at CSCW92
comprised a discussion of the potential for groupware standards
and related standards activities, such as OSF/GAIA.
The concensus was that we need to establish an ongoing working group
to monitor standards activities and generate standards input.

One outcome of the meeting was the need to compile 
a survey of standards relevant to groupware. 
Robert Watson (@DTI in UK) has a draft survey which I will be 
distributing in hardcopy, and he would like to see the 
following information contributed to the survey 
from each interested organization:

"It would be very useful to have a one/two page position document from each
member. Would you care to provide a format/outline which we could all use.
Information on current work/ use of standards, problems encounted and the
area/direction of possible solutions. A membership list of standard bodies
you attend/associated with. Possible reference material or at least 
notification that you have access to one. Other information which we 
would find helpful." 

Here is the outline format for organization XXXX:
1.0 Groupware Activities at XXXX
2.0 Utilization of Standards at XXXX
3.0 Standards Issues Encountered at XXXX
4.0 Formal Standards Participation at XXXX
5.0 Annotated Reference List

Responses to the standards survey should be directed to Robert Watson:
         RSW%GB.GOLD-400.HMG-DTI.ITD.ITD3@MHS-RELAY.AC.UK

Also, we discussed the potential use of the OMG-X/Open CORBA standard
for defining groupware standards across languages and operating systems.
To obtain the Common Object Request Broker Architecture (CORBA) Standard,
send $50 U.S. to:
        Object Management Group
        492 Old Connecticut Path
        Framingham, Mass 01701 USA
        Phone: +1-508-820 4300
        Internet: omg_request@omg.org

Please send me requests for additions to the "Standards for Groupware" 
hardcopy mailing list.

Thanks...
*  From: Tom Mowbray, Ph.D.          Voice: 703-883-6759
*        The MITRE Corporation       FAX:   703-883-3315
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*        McLean, VA 22102 U.S.A.

From: tmn_ <Douglass Carmichael <carmike@t>
Date: 01 Nov 92 19:25:00
Subject: Re:  How to cope with resistance
Newsgroups: comp.groupware


   Resistance always hides real factors that ned to be taken into account.
Treat the resistance as a golden oportunity to take a deeper look. Often
the proposed solution is too abstact and leaves out key aspects of the
informal system. Do ot treat resistance as the enemy.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:42:35 EST
From: Fadi A. Rabie <FR5641A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Should managers delegate authority to Junior Managers

Should managers delegate authority to his subordenates,  and if so
   should they have the power to make decisions.  Should this happen
   should the manager be part of the group-decision process.


PLEASE REPLY,  THANK YOU.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:39:50 EST
From: Narendra Gangadhar <NG7165A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Collaboration

I am doing some work in the area of collaboration,CSCW, and groupware. I am
interested in the benefits, and problems within the group and within the organi
zation. If anyone knows wher I can find such information, I would greatly appre
ciate it. I am also interested in finding out where I can locate conference pro
ceedings dealin with this area.

Thanks,
N.G.
From: nsridharan@faois.intel.com (Moose buster)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Request: Introducing management to gw?
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:25:37 GMT
Organization: Intel MST
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

JB8625A@auvm.american.edu (James J. Brennan)

There are two types of group ware and each faces a different set of problems,
in my experience.  The first kind is "meeting support" that augments a
face-to-face meeting in a conference room.  People assemble, and interlace a
normal meeting with agendas/viewgraphs/whiteboard support, with computer
supported parts to the meeting.
The computer support is for brainstorming, idea categorization, voting and
ranking etc.
The second kind is "project support" and involves linking desktops of a team
together
so file sharing and real-time communication can take place.  Where as the
former is synchronous in time and space, the latter is dispersed in time and
space.

In attempting to introduce the meeting support, I attempted to find a sharable
conference room in our facility that could be converted to a
computer-supported meeting room.  This requires someone to provide the room. 
There is need for specialized furniture, an overhead projector that can tap
out of the computer, a server, PCs at each station and so on.  Hence the cost
of set up goes high.  So I attempted to garner support from several
departments, who were asked to chip in; each got access and use of the room at
a fraction of the cost that it would take them otherwise.  I thought I made a
pretty good pitch, technically and business-wise.  But it flopped.  I had not
created the "wanna do" attitude.  Sort of like when you come across the
mail-order-music ads where you know you can get a terrific bargain if you were
interested in spending money on music - but since you are not, you can pass on
the opportunity - and knowing the opportunity will come around again.   So, if
I were to try again, I would learn a lesson from the marketing types who know
how to create the urge to join/participate/buy.  For instance, every one else
is doing it or your competitor is doing it or I have located some surplus
hardware to use as servers and if we dont set up the room with groupware NOW,
the cost will be so much higher the next time etc.  You get the drift.

The second type of project support is still being pursued.  I am unable to
comment on it much.  However, I can say that there are some technical hurdles.
 The system that I am interested in runs on DOS, but most of the folks in the
project are MW Windows users.  How to tempt them to use a DOS based system? 
The need to convince management is not so great, since no facility allocation
or capital purchase is required.  Mostly it is a matter of getting the
software and designating the heftiest machine on the net as the server node. 
So, this may come down to be mostly a technical problem combined with a
cultural/psychological problem of getting the team to ACTUALLY use it after
the licensing and installing is done.

** Views expressed here are my own **
Sri Sridharan
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:02:33 EST
From: Hugh P. Obrien <HO3545A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Groupware's use in team development

     I am very interested in how groupware can aid in team development.  It
appears that when a team forms there is a lag time before the team becomes
productive.  Is there any way that groupware can shorten this lag time?
Any response would be appreciated.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:36:01 EST
From: Fadi A. Rabie <FR5641A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: how do cost accounting systems such as ABC help accounting groups

Cost accountants are reliying on many accounting  softwares to help them
 in their group decision making.  are these softwares reliable to the
 extinct to base a critical decision on them.  If so, have there been any
 catastrophies regarding wrong decisions.
                                              PLEASE REPLY. THANK YOU
From: dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: listing of "groupware" journals and proceedings
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


    I posted a note the other day in which I asked David Stodolsky (our
    fearless moderator) whether it might be appropriate to add information
    about journals and proceedings which contain GDSS or CSCW articles to
    his FAQ file.  He wrote back and politely stated it should be a
    separate file and suggested I collect such information (such are the
    fortunes of opening my mouth too often.)  :>

    So, I am happy to collect this information, compile it into a coherent
    listing and both post it here and place it at a readily accessible ftp
    site (which I assume would then be referenced in the FAQ posting.)  If
    you have interest in this, please read on.  If not, its time to go to
    the next post.

    Please respond to any or all of the following questions:

    1. What do you consider the "A" journals for GDSS, CSCW, EMS, CMC, and
    groupware work?

    2. What do you consider the "B" journals for GDSS, CSCW, EMS, CMC, and
    groupware work?

    (If you have any specific comments about particular journals, feel
    free to include them.)

    3. What Conference Proceedings to you find most helpful in searching
    for new GDSS, CSCW, EMS, CMC, or groupware work?

    4. What books do you consider important reading for those
    interesed in GDSS, CSCW, EMS, CMC, or groupware?

    5. What do you consider the seminal papers to be in GDSS, CSCW, EMS,
    CMC, groupware field?

    6. If someone came to you and wanted to learn about this field from
    scratch, what reading list would you suggest?

    7. Do you have any other comments about the literature in this field
    which might be useful to someone new to the field?

===========================================================================
daniel david mittleman     -     danny@arizona.edu     -     (602) 621-2932
From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Should managers delegate authority to Junior Managers
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:58:04 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

In article <92318.154235FR5641A@auvm.american.edu> Fadi A. Rabie
<FR5641A@auvm.american.edu> writes:

:Should managers delegate authority to his subordenates,  and if so
:   should they have the power to make decisions.  Should this happen
:   should the manager be part of the group-decision process.

Lacking context, the questions you pose don't make sense.  I will say
this much -- a good manager knows how to delegate, and stays informed.

						...Mike

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From: cts@cs.hut.fi (Charles Sederholm)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Groupware for Macintosh
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:19:41 GMT
	<1992Nov4.091344.27127@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
	<A.Schappo-051192115247@alpha.lut.ac.uk>
Followup-To: comp.groupware
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


   In article <1992Nov4.091344.27127@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
   chwelos@csri.toronto.edu (Greg Chwelos) wrote:
   > 
   > If by communicating you mean video (desktop video-conferencing), then I 
   > don't believe there are any
   > commercial systems available, though numerous research prototypes exist,

If by commercial desktop video-conferencing you mean somethiong to
develop just that =8^) then there is a product from a company called Vista
Communication Instruments, Inc., who have implemented the H.261
videocompression standard on two ISA-bus (PC AT-bus) cards.

Call +358-0-460099 and ask to talk to Mr. Rolf Vainio 
or fax to +358-0-460610


If you want to communicate just locally in an Ethernet you could use a
similar product of a company called Bitfield Inc. who have H.261
compression and decompression on one ISA-bus card for LAN use...

Call +358-0-70018663 or fax +358-0-4552240


Both companies are in Helsinki, Finland... and offer their cards to OEM
producers who want to build their own desktop or other kind of
video-conferencing system... 

bye,
charles

--


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                          (int): +358-0-1390012      (int): +358-0-4513293
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                    Helsinki University of Technology
                    Otakaari 1; SF-02150 Espoo; Finland



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Charles Sederholm
cts@cs.hut.fi       Phone (nat): 90-1390012      Fax (nat): 90-4513293
                          (int): +358-0-1390012      (int): +358-0-4513293
                    Institute of Industrial Automation; Room Y228
                    Helsinki University of Technology
                    Otakaari 1; SF-02150 Espoo; Finland
From: poltrock@atc.boeing.com (Steven Poltrock)
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Subject: Re: Collaboration
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:16:31 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

In article <9NOV199210210802@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>, dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:
>     Now that I have gotten that off my chest...  N.G., you might look at
>     the following journals: 
> 
>     Management Information Systems Quarterly (Dec 88 is a must read)
>     Communications of the ACM
>     Journal of Management Information Systems
>     Information Systems Review
>     Group Decision and Negotiation
> 
>     You might also look at the Proceedings from CSCW.  There was a
>     conference in 1986, 1988, 1990, and 1992.  Also check ICIS
>     (International Conference on Information Systems) and HICSS (Hawaii
>     International Conference on Systems Science) proceedings.
> 
Other sources: Journal of Organizational Computing, 
               Computer Supported Cooperative Work (1st issue just came out)
               ACM Transactions on Information Systems
               Proceedings of Conference on Office Information Systems (now called COCS)

Steve Poltrock
From: tmn_ <Douglass Carmichael <carmike@t>
Date: 01 Nov 92 19:31:00
Subject: Re:  Bibliographies on groupware
Newsgroups: comp.groupware


  Dave, there is a fundamental difference. One to many leads one of the many
to respond back to the original sendor, but the others on the list do not see
it. True groupware makes everything automatically and easily available to
the group (conferencing). I think we are moving, in the organizational
world, from the old concept of point to point communications to the more
artful concept of resonance - how much do we need to get into a group
for the group to be able to resonate with the input? This is not a mere
sum of points.
---
Douglas Carmichael  carmike@tmn.com   703-243-6622


Newsgroups: comp.groupware