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From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Rap (for Hammer Heathens)
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:35:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM (Mark Conti - Sun Syracuse, NY FE) writes:

>>The idea of snobby
>>stuck up, white brats, who dropped out of college, and think they
>>can rap makes me want to Hurl. I don't want any cheesy Carman rap or any WHITE
>>rappers.

>ROM 12:10  Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour
> preferring one another

>Lets not forget that these "snobby, white brats" are our fellow heirs in
>the kingdom of God and will spend eternity with them. I know of alot that
>"cheesy Carmen" has done to further the gospel of Jesus, how about you? 
>---
>Mark Conti			Email:  mark.conti@east.sun.com
>My own comments, not Suns.

I'm not really sure that was the purpose of the original poster -- to slam
Carman or anyone else, although it did seem a little harsh...
I think (maybe I'm wrong) that he just wanted to know where he could get some
decent rap music.  Truth is, many groups that do much for leading people to
Christ may not reach certain crowds.  I know that I can't stand much of
Sandi Patti's music -- this doesn't at all mean she's not a fantastic person
or that she hasn't done much to "further the gospel," but simply that I
prefer not to listen to her music.
	Your post implies you felt attacked by the original post, and perhaps
you were, if you're a Carman fan.  But let's remember we're all serving the
same God, and try not to bicker over groups :)
	Personally, I liked some of Carman's raps, and don't care much for
Apocalypse now, but that didn't stop me from recommending them to someone
who indicated they might be interested in that style of Christian rap....

	Just my $.02
		-- Michael

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Mylon
Reply-To: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:43:39 GMT

In article <16APR199221455559@summa.tamu.edu> nab4574@summa.tamu.edu (The Lord  
Reigns) writes:
> In article <1992Apr16.135516.27474@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,  
jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes...
> > 
> >Soliciting opinions:
> > 
> >What is the best of Mylon Lefebre's (sp??) releases?  I've only heard 
> >a few of his songs.
> > 

I want to echo what others have said.  I think "Sheep in Wolves Clothing"
is Mylon's best.  All of the other albums have a few excellent songs, but this  
one has the best overall quality.   "I Will Rejoice" from that album is one of  
my favorite songs by anybody.  In addition to excellent words, the musical  
contrasts in the song are excellent.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wpg30940@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William P. Glick)
Subject: Mail-Order CCM ?  Does it exist ?
Summary: Are there any mail order Christian Music Clubs?
Keywords: ccm
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:04:13 GMT

I am a big Contemporary Christian Music enthusiast.  However, being a student,
my bank account quickly dwindles every time that I go to a Christian Bookstore.

I have been wondering if there are any CCM Tape/CD Clubs  or  mail order CCM
distributors.  Please reply with any experience that you might have had with
particular distributors, along with their approximate costs and other relevent
details.


Thankx !
8-)
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BTW:
  I believe that Amy Grant is one of the greatest missionaries to youth and 
  young adults today.
From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Whose music is it?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:15:18 EDT
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

tford@convex.com (Tom Ford) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.143058.29424@mlb.semi.harris.com> ras@controls.hccd.harris.com (Russell Soule) writes:
> ...<text deleted>
> >
> >told him that I would like to perform some of the old songs that I had helped
> >write. His answer was that those lyrics were personal between him and God, and
> >that no one was to sing them except for him.  These songs weren't copyrighted or
> >
> Well, that is a sticky situation.  I would say don't sing the songs in
> question, forgive him, and pray that God work on his attitude.  I think it is
> very valid to have things personal between you and God, like songs, prayers, 
> poems, etc., but if they are personal, they should not be shared in public.
> If his songs are really personal, then why is he performing them in public?

Sigh.  I can associate somewhat.  A friend of mine writes songs herself,
and has somewhat of a gift for it.  However, her real gift is piano.
However, rather than allowing someone with a much better voice to
perform the music, she believes that she must train herself to sing them.
She also would like to write professionally, so she is interested in
having her songs get wide distribution.  However, rather than having
someone else sing them who might attract attention, she insists on
recording herself -- which will almost guarantee that they won't get
a lot of attention.  Sigh.
                         - tom
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Saint Amy ( was Re: Lucky Charms Christian? )
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason steiner)
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:38:30 EST


oh, no. not again.

jason
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From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Amy Grant
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:49:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunb10.1992Apr14.204913.16624
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Originator: sink@sunb2.cs.uiuc.edu

In <1992Apr14.195228.3984@mlb.semi.harris.com> ras@controls.hccd.harris.com (Russell Soule) writes:

>I think the reason Michael W. Smith hasn't been bad mouthed as much as Amy is
>because his "Go West Young Man" album isn't quite as drastic a departure as Amy's
>"Heart in Motion". I haven't bought "Heart..." yet, but I have borrowed it from
>a friend, and I didn't see very much of God in it. I guess ASK ME is religous,
>and I seem to remember one or two others that struck me as religious. But all
>of the other songs are the double-meaning type of songs that Stryper caught
>so much flack over. You know, the one's that could be between you and God, or
>could be between boy and girl.

>"Go West", on the other hand, has God all over it. Even "Place in this World" 
>seemed quite religious to me, even after it got all that secular air play. There 
>may be one "secular" love song on it, but I know from interviews that its lyrics 
>were written by Wayne Kirkpatrick as a gift from Smitty to his wife, and there's 
>nothing wrong with that. But songs like "Love Crusade", "Go West", "Agnus Dei", 
>and "Seed to Sow", just to name a few, have very Christian themes and lyrics
>to them.

So Amy's songs aren't religious ?  Excellent.  That is precisely why her
record will be (and has been) successful at reaching people.

There are extremely valid reasons for NOT wrapping her music in the
traditional religious muck :

	1.  We Christians, as a group, are generally a bunch of weenies.
		We bicker, we argue, and we lie.  Generally we are
		after your money, and we frequently preach one thing
		and do another.  Or, at least that's the way the world
		sees it.
	2.  Traditional religion has very little to do with Jesus Christ.
		We are generally more involved with almost anything
		in the name of the church, but very little which relates
		directly to Him.

So, why would Amy want to religionize the youth of America ?  I wouldn't.

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From: dhills@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Martin Hills)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Rob Sweet (Stryper) - "Visual Timekeeper"
Summary: Why's he called that?
Keywords: Stryper, Rob Sweet, Drums, Visual Timekeeper
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:18:33 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

On a bunch of Stryper's albums (ie. at least _Soldiers_,
_Yellow and Black_ and _Can't Stop the Rock_), Robert Sweet's 
listed as: Drums, "Visual Timekeeper".

What's the Visual Timekeeper mean?  

Thanks

DMH
From: cs63+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christina Marie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Ride to C-stone
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:49:22 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If anyone from the Pittsburgh/Cleveland area (or is driving through the
area on the way to Illinois) is going to Cornerstone - and could maybe,
possibly PLEASE give me a ride, I would be extremely appreciative!  I 
will enlighten your drive with my joyous companionship, and will help to
keep your gas tank full and happy.  I'll even beg and grovel - I REALLY
want to go to Cornerstone! If you could possibly make me summer complete
by enabling me to go with you, send me e-mail.
From: eng@CPSC.UCALGARY.CA (David Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: PETRA Concerts
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:08:46 GMT


Hi.  I've noticed everyone asking about Petra concerts, so I figure
I might as well.

Does anyone know if they're coming to the Calgary, Canada area?
Last November, at the end of their concert here, John Schlitt
yelled out "see you next year," which made me assume they were coming
back.  However, at a recent Whiteheart concert, there was no
announcement from the promotor.  (At the Petra concert, the promotor
announced the Whiteheart concert 5 months in advance).

Thanks..
Dave.

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From: mc5o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael T. Callihan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rob Sweet (Stryper) - "Visual Timekeeper"
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:11:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.odsYV5C00iV1E8t1QH
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>On a bunch of Stryper's albums (ie. at least _Soldiers_,
>_Yellow and Black_ and _Can't Stop the Rock_), Robert Sweet's 
>listed as: Drums, "Visual Timekeeper".
 
>What's the Visual Timekeeper mean? 

>>Visual Timekeeper is just a way of naming the act many drummers do of
leading 
>>the rest of the band in keeping time.  The most common example is when
>>drummers click the drumsticks together, this is done to give the other
band >>members something to listen to to keep the same beat when the
drums start >>playing again.  Its hard for me to explain but it is
basically a musical time >>thing...
 
That's right, and even more relevant is Robert's playing style.  If
you've seen a Stryper video (esp. Calling on You or Free), or better
yet, if you've seen Stryper in concert, you know that Robert is a very
physical performer.  He moves his entire body to the beat he is pounding
out.  In fact, he wants it to be obvious, so he has adopted the rare
style of situating his set perpendicular to the audience so they see his
profile.  Robert says that when he goes out on stage, he tries to
imagine that he holds two hammers in his hands and before the night is
over, he must swing each hammer 10,000 times.  All drummers are
timekeepers.  Robert, by his physical performance, wants to be known as
the Visual Timekeeper.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: Suggestions?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:43:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.120509.6147@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00mkmcculler@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Okay,
>
> [...]
>
>I just recently discovered White Heart, however--yeah, I know that I'm
>slow...=-).  I LOVE their music.  I don't have much money for music, so if I
>were to buy a White Heart album, which is the best?

Ah, gee, how could I only recommend ONE??  If I had to name my all-time fave
song by them, it would without question be "Invitation", from their _Freedom_
album.  (BTW, their _Freedom_ concert was just wunothabest concerts I've ever
been to - heard their "Little Drummer Boy" for the first time and almost died!
I was ecstatic when I found the song on a Christmas album!)  I'm sorry to
fail to answer your question satisfactorily, but I would have to say "Get them
ALL!!"  ;^)

>Anybody have any other groups or artists to suggest?  

Well, yeah; Petra, Whitecross, the Imperials, Michael W. Smith, etc., etc. ...

Speaking of new music, I can't recommend King's X or Magdallan wholehearedly
enough!  (_Faith Hope Love_ by King's X took a while to grow on me, I'll
admit, but now I wouldn't wanna be without it.  And Magdallan's debut album
didn't even hafta grow on me - it was love at first listen.)

> [...]
>
>Meghan
>00mkmcculler@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu

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From: ewh@teserv.den.mmc.com (Ed Householder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: GIANT - Time To Burn ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:53:22 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver


 I just purchased the GIANT - Time to Burn  album.

 I was sincerely dissapointed, not due to the music, but due to the
 lyrics.  This was the first GIANT album that i purchased.  I expected
 it to be more christian because of dan huff.  Is this the same dan huff
 that appears on Michael W. Smith's "Big Picture".  I believe that I 
 saw dan huff with david meece here in colorado, is this the same guy?

 I do not require an album to use Christ's name in every songi to enjoy it.
 However, the lyrics were mostly depressing, or overtly sexual. For example
 "all i want to do is make love to you."

 Do others out there believe that this is a christian album?

						 sincerely
						 ed householder
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: toma@cray.com (Thomas R. Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Dolly Parton's "He's Alive"
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:02:23 CDT

In article <204752@unix.cis.pitt.edu> was1+@pitt.edu (Scott A Wayne) writes:
>
>	Hello,
>		I was wondering if anyone out there has ever heard "He's
>Alive" by Dolly Parton.  Even though she is a country singer, she really
>has talent as a christian singer too.  I recommend and suggest that you
>listen to this song if you ever get a chance.  The song is on her "White
>Limousine" album.  The song is so powerful and you can't get any more
>christian than a song about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ.
>Please, let me know if you have heard her sing this song or if you intend
>to listen to it sometime.  Thanks.
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I heard it a couple years ago on a secular radio station through my
headphones at work, and I just about fell out of my chair! I agree it was
VERY powerful!

Thanks for naming the album that it's on...I'm not necessarily a Dolly
Parton fan, but I may go out and buy the album just to get that song.

  - Tom A.
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From: mokie@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Brundage)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Suggestions?
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:18:11 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

00mkmcculler@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

>Okay,

>I LOVE Christian music, and have loved it since my sister bought me my first
>Amy Grant tape in the fourth grade.  I've listened to a variety of different
>artists, in a variety of types of music.

>I just recently discovered White Heart, however--yeah, I know that I'm
>slow...=-).  I LOVE their music.  I don't have much money for music, so if I
>were to buy a White Heart album, which is the best?

There's their Souvenir Album, which has, IMHO, some of their best songs...
I also liked Freedom and Don't Wait for the Movie...

>Anybody have any other groups or artists to suggest?  

>Also, has anyone ever heard of Jeff Sack?  He tours with Rich Mullins, at least
>he did last fall.  Pretty good music...=-). 

>Meghan
>00mkmcculler@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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From: dhills@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Martin Hills)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: The Swoon
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:41:00 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Wierd.  I just picked up the tape of The Swoon a couple weeks
ago.  I thought it was pretty cool (and it reminded me of some
of the Choir's stuff too), but I don't know anything about the
group.

So if anyone has information (and/or lyrics), I'd appreciate
them too.

Thanks,
DMH
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: greene@dew.cs.odu.edu (Bradley Greene)
Subject: Guitar Tabs
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:11:16 GMT


  There is a new ftp site that has just begun to take guitar tab.
Right now there is only secular tunes on the site, but if anyone
out there has some christian tabs they probably should attempt to
post them.  If not anyone else I would like to take a look at them.

Here are the rules for posting as given by James Bender
*******************************************************
>	1) Must NOT be directly copied from a magazine, or a song book.
>
>	2) You must put your e-mail adress on it. This is son that people can
>	write to you if they have questions I can't awnser(though I'll try my 
>	best, I have not heard every song ever recorded!).
>
>     3) Put the name of the song, AND the artist in the subject. The archive
>  	will be set up with artist names as directories, and if I don't know
>	who made it, I wont know where to put it! Also, do not put more than
>	one song in the same peice of mail.
>


	The site address is .......ftp.nevada.edu

PS if anyone has chords or tabs to the any of the following 
  groups please mail them to me. I have been trying to figure
  them out.

   MAIL ADDRESS    -------  greene@cs.odu.edu

   KIM HILL  (round and round)
   PETRA     
   THE CHOIR
   WHITE HEART
   JACOBS TROUBLE - I've just bought there new album, and I like it alot.
                    There are coming to the FIRE ESCAPE in VA BEACH, VA.
                     in the next few weeks. Im looking forward to seeing
                      them.

              
                                 Thanks BRAD.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: The Swoon
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason steiner)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:49:23 EST

i purchased an the Swoon last summer & like it a lot, but i know almost nothing
about the band itself. one of the people at the bookstore said they had gone
out of print. anyone have any other info about these people? the album was 
produced by Charlie Peacock & Derri Daugherty's name appears on it too.
unfortunately, there are no lyrics included :( so if anyone has them or knows
where to get them ftp i'd love to get a copy.

it's a good disc. if you can still find a copy grab it quick. it reminds me
a little of the Choir's Chase the Kangaroo (my fav. Choir album).

thanks in advance.
jason
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From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Dietiphobia top ten
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:47:49 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        Top Ten Questions to Ask the Person Next To You at a Dietiphobia
Concert (assuming you can hear eachother)

10.  "Is this that 'deamon beat' my pastor has been telling me about?"
9. "Is this the part where we slam, or the part where we dance like Hammer?"
8. "So.  I've no idea what I've done, huh?"
7. "Do you think those are real drumms?"
6. "Have YOU any idea what YOU'VE done?"
5. "Is that a sample?"
4. "Is disco a dirty word to you?"
3. "Did you see these guys when they were on Schprockets? and by the way, isn't
that Deeter?"
2. "Have these guys ever sent a demo to Wax Trax?"
1. "Do you know The Lord?"
From: broadhrj@harry.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Robert J. Broadhead)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rob Sweet (Stryper) - "Visual Timekeeper"
Keywords: Stryper, Rob Sweet, Drums, Visual Timekeeper
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:46:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.044652.19426
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Visual Timekeeper is just a way of naming the act many drummers do of leading the
rest of the band in keeping time.  The most common example is when drummers click
the drumsticks together, this is done to give the other band members something to
listen to to keep the same beat when the drums start playing again.  Its hard for
me to explain but it is basically a musical time thing...
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 17:14:13 MST
From: <AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mylon

I think his 'Crack the Sky' and 'Face the Music' Albums are the
best.  None of his newer albums have ever quite matched the intensity
of those two albums.
Of course, probably the best music he ever did came from his
'Sheep in Wolves Clothing'.  NOt that was a jamming album.

Jeremy