HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Ruber mount CCI tank on Sporty?
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:41:36 GMT

--

In article <38729@cbmvax.commodore.com>, hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry
Hartzler - C
|>In article <1993Jan20.183928.23691@engage.pko.dec.com>
|>dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com writes:
|>>
|>>No, the Superglide tank is NOT a Fat Bob tank. It doesn't look at all like
|>>a set of Fatbobs or imitation Fatbobs.
|>
|>I've been reading about this, and it seems that Harley did indeed have
|>an entry-level SuperGlide with a Fat Bob tank in the mid 1980's.  It
|>had the two gas caps and two dials in the center.  I'm not sure what
|>the letters were... FXR something.

FX - Superglide, shovelhead, peanut tank, kick start
FXE - same as above, electric start (some years had both)
FXEF - same as above, except 3.5 gallon Fat Bob tanks (true split tanks)

The Superglide tank was unique to that model.

FXRx - rubber mount engine

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: reliability
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:27:28 GMT

laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:

>|> 	Speaking of which, I met a guy in a Hardees parking lot last August.
>|> Poor guy had ridden from Florida to make Sturgis, and was on his way back.
>|> He broke the clutch cable while pulling in for food in Denison, Iowa.  Not
>|> a Harley dealer for 100 miles, and only a Honda shop that wouldn't open for
>|> two days.

>am i wierd or just stupid? when i brake a clutch cable i just sync
>shift till i get to a shop that is on my way to where i'm going

	You're just not in Iowa at 10:00pm on a Friday night.  Des Moines
is 100 miles away, on a two-lane blacktop, with at least half-a-dozen
towns with the highway as their main street between you and your cable.
Pushing the bike to 5mph at each stop light is also embarassing.

	Besides, if I had owned that sporty I would have been content to
eat Hardees food for a week rather than risk the possibility of damaging
it in any way.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: You would not catch me dead on a Harley
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:37:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.203741.2620@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jons@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jon T. Schoepflin) writes:
>
>
>
>        flames are welcome
>-- 
>
>
>
>

I used to say that.  Then I took one for a drive.



--
      Michael L. Johnson
      mlj8e@virginia.edu
From: chrish@NAD.3Com.COM (Chris Hee)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: reliability
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:22:59 GMT
Reply-To: chrish@NAD.3Com.COM
Distribution: ca
Organization: 3Com Corp

In article 11630@twg.com, rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
>I recently (right before Christmas) went on a Toy run to the Santa Clara
>Childrens Center. The run started from the Hog Farm in San Jose and was
>sponsored by MMA (I think). Everyone formed up at the Hog Farm and rode 
>to the Childrens Center in one very long pack. As a rider of a Gold Wing
>I was impressed with the organization of the ride (Road Captain and several 
>others who would stop/hold the traffic until the procession past and then
>pass everyone to the next intersection). I do have one question though,
>Why on this short of a ride (>5 miles) did they have a van/truck to sweep
>the course for broken vehicles? Is the reliability of the Harleys bad enough
>to warrent a pick-up vehicle?
>
>				Jolly Roger




SHIT HAPPENS
From: max@admin.mport.COM (Max)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: faux biker type joke
Summary: joke about harley riders
Keywords: mugwump joke
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:25:55 GMT
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A


exerpted without permission from the independant biker, a bay area based
free biker paper.  funny article, good paper, buy a tshirt. 

all spelling errors are mine.
===================================================

by terry roorda

...to get down to task, there are several new classes of rider fouling the
wind with the misapprehension that merely owing a Harley will transform
them into a biker. this is the same type of dangerous ignorance that
suggests that giving a dog an artichoke turns him into a gourmet. through
exaustive research, undertaken at our own not-inconsiderable expense, the
Cycle Lords of the High Truth M.C., have identified several classes of
these offenders:
 
RUBies:		Rich Urban Bikers
SEWERS:		Suburban Weekend Riders
RIOTS:		Retired Idiots On Tour
MUGWUMPS:	My Ugly Golwing Was Upsetting My Peers
AHABS:		Aspiring HArdass Bikers
BASTARDS:	Bought A Sportster, Therefore A Radical Dude
IGLOOS:		I Got the Look, ill Own One Soon
HOOTS:		Have One Ordered, True Story
ASSHOLES:	assholes

...

=====================================================================
  \\\///   | 		             | the above represents my 
  //@@\\   | yet another nude biker  | opinion only, and is subject
  // \ \   | 		             | to change. 
  // - \   ----------------------------------------------------------  
    """    | max@mport.com | dod:234 | protect the bill of rights
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Alarms & Theft
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:14:14 GMT

mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>Ooops, sorry to interrupt the FLAME WARS again, but I have two more H-D related
>questions.  

>MOTORCYCLE ALARMS

>	I'd appreciate comments from individuals on alarms they've owned (past
>	& present) with a guess at current pricing and difficulty of personal
>	installation.

"Cycle" magazine tested several alarms a couple of years ago, the winner
was the UngoBox MC2000. I installed one in my FJ1200 a few months ago,
and I'm happy with it. I guess I ought to get a full review of it
written up and stick it on the r.m.reviews site, but here's the Reader's
Digest version:

Cost: about $200. Arms with the ignition key or the two button RF remote. 
The shock/motion sensor is a mercury tube surrounded by a coil, it works
at any angle, but is most sensitive when the tube is horizontal. There's
one extra input (for saddlebags, seat, etc. trigger), and an output for
the optional pager. It disables the starter when the alarm is triggered.
(With a bit of creative wiring you could also disable the ignition or
fuel pump, but the manual explicity warns against doing this. Probably
for liability.) Obnoxious, ear-splitting siren. Flashing LED indicates
that the alarm is armed, and also if it was tripped while you were gone.
Installation is pretty straightforward, I spent more time figuring out
the best place to mount it than acutally installing it.

>NATIONAL REGISTRY OF STOLEN MOTORCYCLES

>	With all of the motorcycle theft, has any group, organization or 
>	individual attempted to start a National Registry of Stolen 
>	Motorcycle Information?

The AMA has a monthly "bikes stolen from members" listing in "American
Motorcyclist".
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:45:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles.harley / mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti) / 10:45 am  Jan 22, 1993 /

I'm told that Triumph _will_ be selling the new models in the
US, but my source had no documentation for the claims.
                                                    
-- 
passaretti@crd.ge.com           {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!passaret
mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com     {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!michelotti!mrmike
----------
Triumph has just joined the American Motorcycle Industry Council and is
setting up a distributing network this year. Earliest import date seems
to be around mid-February 1994. Engine designs are based the Kawasaki
GPz900, but heavily revised. In fact, the old Triumph's last engine
project was ditched by the new Triumph company because of reliability
problems. :-) Personally, I view the 900 Triples as an excellent option
for those torn between Harley-Davidsons and Japanese multis. Also for
those who like Ducatis, but don't care for the folded-up riding position.
The 1200 Fours are basically liquid-cooled FJ1200s with more torque while
the Daytona 1200 variant is more like a ZX-11.

The model range consists of the following:

Daytona 1200/4 Sport
Trophy 1200/4 Sport Tourer

Daytona 900/3 Sport 
Trophy 900/3 Sport Tourer
Sprint 900/3 Sports Roadster
Trident 900/3 Roadster
Tiger 900/3 Trailie

Trident 750/3 Roadster

In 1994 the new Triumph Twins debut. They're liquid-cooled DOHC 8-valve
parallel twins using same modular designs as the multis and reported to
be 600cc and 750cc in Daytona, Trophy and naked bike variants plus the
Bonneville. Have to wait and see what niche market they're intended for,
but Triumph and Harley-Davidson broke off negotiations over distributing
the Triumphs thru HD network because the Triumph Twins will be competing
with the Sportsters. The 1200/4s and 900/3s are too different from the
1340cc V-twins, but didn't work that way for the 600 & 750 Twins. Well,
it'll be good to have new ultra-reliable (2 year/unlimited miles warranty)
Triumphs here in the states. The old Triumphs had way too many reliability
problems (all Britbikes) and had 90 days/3,000 miles warranties. 

Service intervals for a 91 or 92 Trophy 900 belonging to a chap in UK
are reported to be every 3,000 miles for oil change and carb balance
(might be first 3,000 miles for carb balance, not every 3K) and every
6,000 miles for valve re-check (identical to ZX-11)...valves are said
to be shim under bucket.   

BTW, I have the 1993 Triumph brochure and *Triumph - Building On A
Heritage* VHS video which is a tour of the factory during the 1992
model year. Both sent to me from subscribers on euro-moto mailing
list. Do I want one -?- you bet I do! 

Graeme Harrison
DoD#649
San Jose, CA
From: pha50@seq1.keele.ac.uk (P.J. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:24:54 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <82490030@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, by gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison):
> Triumph has just joined the American Motorcycle Industry Council and is
> setting up a distributing network this year. Earliest import date seems
> to be around mid-February 1994. Engine designs are based the Kawasaki
> GPz900, but heavily revised.

I keep hearing this, but it's not true. There are indeed some
similatities, but what do you expect of water cooled multivale multis?
Next you'll be saying that Ducatis are derived from Harley because
they're V-twins :-)

> In 1994 the new Triumph Twins debut. They're liquid-cooled DOHC 8-valve
> parallel twins using same modular designs as the multis and reported to
> be 600cc and 750cc

The modular design is that all Triumph's engines have the same bore, and
there are two stroke lengths. This combined with the 3/4 cylinder
layouts gives the four capacities produced so far (750/900/1000/1200). If
the twins are indeed to follow the same pattern they will be 500/600cc.
This is not to say that larger capacities cannot be achieved by a larger
bore or longer stroke, but that would be a departure from the "modular"
design range (well maybe a longer stroke wouldn't...)

How official is your news of the Triumph twin? Last I heard over here
Trumph had "no plans" to introduce one, though it is thought that they
will eventually.
--
Paul Mitchell (CMA#55(18) MAG#65715 DoD#0145)  | Department of Physics,
JANET:  p.j.mitchell@uk.ac.keele.seq1          | Keele University, Keele,
USENET: p.j.mitchell@seq1.keele.ac.uk          | Staffordshire, ST5 5BG, U.K.
BITNET: p.j.mitchell%seq1.keele.ac.uk@ukacrl   | (+44 or 0)782 621111 ext 7966
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: reliability
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:11:30 GMT

In <1993Jan20.230029.11630@twg.com> rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:

>Why on this short of a ride (>5 miles) did they have a van/truck to sweep
>the course for broken vehicles? Is the reliability of the Harleys bad enough
>to warrent a pick-up vehicle?

	I'll let you know at the end of March, but my Honda probably wouldn't
have made it.

	Actually, it's just a convenience/safety thing, and is practical on
all runs.  There's no way to have a good time sitting by the side of the
road waiting for your buddy to locate a master link, clutch cable, or just
a tire patch kit when you're supposed to be out having fun.

	Speaking of which, I met a guy in a Hardees parking lot last August.
Poor guy had ridden from Florida to make Sturgis, and was on his way back.
He broke the clutch cable while pulling in for food in Denison, Iowa.  Not
a Harley dealer for 100 miles, and only a Honda shop that wouldn't open for
two days.  I gave him a pair of vice grips, we cut the cable housing, ran the
cable through the hole in the lever, and used the vice grip to keep it from
pulling back through.  Five days later I got my vice grips in the mail,
with a note of thanks.  He had ridden on to Des Moines, got a new cable,
and mailed mine back to me when he got home.  Would you say his Sportster
was unreliable because it broke a clutch cable?

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley T shirts?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:57:37 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan25.090341.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>incorporates a hog (animal or classic machine).  Instead of rec.moto harley, we
>could just have doh.  And as most Harley t-shirts have cities of origin, and
>the doh is actually a worldwide organization, maybe we could print 'the world'
>or something a little more creative.  If we get enough interest, I would
   How about "Cyberspace"

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
From: mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Triumph over Mediocrity
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:45:34 GMT
Reply-To: Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com>
Organization: GE Aircraft Engines, Cincinnati OH


Figuring that HD is closer in spirit to Triumph than most
other manufacturers nowadays, so...

I'm told that Triumph _will_ be selling the new models in the
US, but my source had no documentation for the claims.  I've
been looking casually for an old Triumph or BSA for a while
with little luck and I'm wondering what folks know about the
plans for new machines...  Should I keep looking for early
bikes or will the '90s have similar character and less hassle.
Pricing?  Any pointers to sources of info (Re: Old and New) would
be appreciated.  I'll summarize if I get any useful info.
                                                        - MM
-- 
passaretti@crd.ge.com           {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!passaret
mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com     {whatever}!crdgw1!copernicus!michelotti!mrmike
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley T shirts?
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:37:36 GMT

In article <moseley.172.727814292@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>It would be "different" to have a Harley T shirt with rec.moto.harley on the 
>back, instead of a dealer. Any interest? I've got no idea what it would cost 
>to pull off. And of course someone would have to come up with some kind of 
>logo. Just a thought.
>
>Steve

    Sounds interesting. Take a look in the back part of Easy Riders or
Outlaw Biker, once in a while I see ads for shirts with "Your Logo Here"
on the back.


Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)
doh 0000005774 

'57 FL '76 XLCH  My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   " You can count on 2 hours of hangover for every 20
     minutes yoy stay after the barmaid starts looking
     good."
			Jake Vest 1989
=============================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:26:28 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <MRMIKE.93Jan22134534@michelotti.ae.ge.com>,
mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti) wrote:
> 
> 
> Figuring that HD is closer in spirit to Triumph than most
> other manufacturers nowadays, so...
> [...]
 Should I keep looking for early
> bikes or will the '90s have similar character and less hassle.

The old Triumphs will remain unique.

The new Triumphs are as completely unlike anything Triumph has ever
done before.  People seem compelled to call them 'japanese like'
but that resemblance is inspired by the new Trumpet's super tech
design, not because of any copying.

They will be triples.  No fours.  They are be fast.  Damned
fast.  If you like, there are several pictures of the new
bikes on the net (in my server.)

ftp to 134.29.65.5
user doh
pass spooge

browse around
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Help me find an 883 - Please...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:51:29 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <mtrost.728072658@convex.convex.com> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:

>In <1993Jan25.190224.63184@cc.usu.edu> sljt6@cc.usu.edu writes:

>>I am hoping someone out there can help me...

>>I finally got enough money together to buy
>>my dream bike (at least for now).  I have been wanting
>>an 883 for at least 5 years.  Now I finally have the money,
>>I can't find the bike.  I am looking for a new 883
>>base model in black.  I guess I would take another color if it
>>was all I could find, though.  I would be willing to go to 
>>Arizona, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington,
>>or anyplace similarly close to Utah to pick it up.
>>I prefer not to have a CA model.  I know some dealers out
>>there _must_ have ordered extra ones to put on the showroom.

>>I would really appreciate any help you can give.

>>Dave

>>sljt6@cc.usu.edu
>>davester@cc.usu.edu

>Check with Chick, at Chick's Harley Davidson in Albuqueque. Sorry I don't
>have the number handy.

>Chick's is the best dealership I have ever delt with. And Chick is a very
>honest, and good guy. I'd give him a try first. (tell him Matthew from
>Dallas sent ya')


Chick's number is 505-266-6777.
From: sljt6@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Help me find an 883 - Please...
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:36:44 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

Once again, let me say thanks for the help.  I still have not found a bike,
but have two possibilities.  I should be a little more specific in my 
request.

wanted:

883 sporty - base model
             prefer black or blue but at this point I don't really care
             anymore.
Will go a LONG way to get it.  If i can afford to fly there, I will go.
If within driving distance I will really smile.
This is a cash sale, no financing involved.

The weather is finally above 10 degrees... starting to lust bad...
Thanks again...
D
From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:30:50 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <2139@admin.mport.COM> max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:
>
>gotta say that the dyna lowrider i rode a the moto show was very
>impressive. good handling, adiquate power, fine eronomics. id buy one if i
>wanted to part with that much money. maybe in a few years i will, but it
>will be only because i like the bike, not as some bs attempt to coddle
>american industry. hd is doing fine without my help, because they produce
>products that people want, not because we have taken pity on them and
>bought the bikes even if we dont want them. 
>

Wonderful that we have the freedom to buy what we want.  But after
signing the papers on a new FXDL it felt good buying American.  I
still drive a - dare I say it - Honda cage.  Perhaps when it bites
the dust I'll buy American... if they have anything comparable.
From: falsetti@polaris.unm.edu (Anthony B. Falsetti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Help me find an 883 - Please...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:09:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: polaris.unm.edu
Keywords: 883, Chicks Harley Davidson

 Chick's Harley Davidson
 8207 Central Avenue NE
 Albuquerque, NM
 (505) 266-6777


Tony Falsetti
Dept. of Anthropology
University of NM
Albuquerque, NM 87131
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:55:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.214821.17478@gecko.uucp>, ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell) writes:
> In article <2139@admin.mport.COM> max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:
> 
>>-max
>>"dont really like the forward controls much tho"
> 
>     You get used to that very quickly, trust me. After a few hundred miles,
> anything else seems cramped. After a long (week or so) ride on my Sporty,
> even the semi-forward footboards on the Pan seem misplaced.
> 

	And you get to REALLY like the forward controls!  I bought my 92
Dynaglide after having multiple Jap and Euro bikes; thought forward controls
were ridiculous.  Then, my wife got a Springer.  In the next couple of months,
I'm putting forward controls on my Dynaglide!   it's SO much more comfortable!

Michael Menard

doh 0000000003