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From: kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A rec.guns posting?
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:29:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: cherokee.199211130501.AA23081
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <9211120534.AA16366@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> kgk@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Kleanthes Koniaris) writes:
#To give an example, let's talk about shooting a pistol (9mm
#auto), in "combat" style.  

Let me take a shot. I can always get corrections if I am wrong. :)

#How many hands does one use?  [Two, right?]

Two.

#Now, where do the feet go?  If * represents the target, does the line
#between one's feet go like
#
# |     *,
#
#or like
#
# /     *,
#
#or like
#
# --    *
#
#? [/, right?]

My answer is it depends. ( Isn't that the answer you always get? ;)

If you are shooting target loads, the "|    *" stance ( or the so-called
isosceles stance ) might be good. This is the stance most IPSC shooters
will use, according the video "How to shoot fast and accurate".

On the other hand, if you are shooting full combat loads, the "/    *"
stance ( weaver or modified weaver stance ) may be better, since
it helps to absorb the recoils.

#How does the line through the shoulders compare to the line between
#the feet?  Does one lift their shoulders to bring the gun in line with
#one's eyes, or does one lower his (her) head to the line of the
#pistol?  [Lower head, right?]  

To the beste of my knowledge, both have been used. Most IPSC shooters
might prefer to bring guns in line with their eyes. However, other
IPSC shooters ( like Ken Tapp ) lower their heads to meet the pistol
too. Guess it all depend what works the best for you.

#Is one supposed to "crouch" (bend at
#the knees) these days?  [No, right?]  

I think you are supposed to bend a little.

#Other issues are important, too;
#for example, does one shoot with both eyes open?  [Yes, right?]  

I think the answer is yes.
Some shooters find it is difficult for them to keep both eyes open.
However, I always keep both of my eyes open. I have 20/10 ( better than
normal ) vision and guess it helps too.

David

-- 
 K. David Lin, Ph.D.              | E-mail: kdlin@advtech.uswest.com  
 Communication Services Research  | Defend your life with style! -- Beretta
 U S WEST Advanced Technologies   | Disclaimer: Only personal opinions
From: megatek!hollen@uunet.UU.NET (Dion Hollenbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .32-20 winchester questions
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:05:53 GMT
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

#>>>> On 9 Nov 92 23:48:01 GMT, fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) said:

steve> I just purchased a nice Browning 53 (a .32-20 lever-action, based on
steve> the Winchester 92).*

steve> Anyone have any suggestions for reasonable suppliers of factory .32-20?
steve> (I have to get brass from *somewhere*, and I plan on using only factory
steve> stuff for the first couple hundred rounds or so.)  Natchez?

You can get new bulk Remington unprimed brass from Widener's:

	100  -  $12
	250  -  $26
	500  -  $47
	1000 -  $89

Widener's Reloading & Shooting Supply, Inc.
P.O. Box 3009 CRS
Johnson City, TN  37602-3009

(615)282-6786  Order line M-F  9am to 5pm EST
(615)282-6651  FAX

You must provide a copy of your driver's license with your first order
to prove you are over 18, so you might as well FAX in your first
order.

-- 
Dion Hollenbeck       UUCP: {uunet, ucsd, sun}!megatek!hollen
                      INTERNET:            hollen@megatek.com
Megatek Corporation  9645 Scranton Rd.  San Diego, Ca.  92121
From: doi@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Kuan Li Oi)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Arrow proof? Re: Bullet Proof Vests
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:25:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia

gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu (John Stephens Cronin) writes:


#In article <9211030123.AA02611@earth.rocket.com> deh@rocket.com (Dale E. Higgs) writes:
#->In article <92307.110634U53734@uicvm.uic.edu> you write:
#->#In article <1992Oct27.193056.1523@guinness.idbsu.edu>, betz%gozer@uunet.UU.NET
#->#(Andrew Betz) says:
#->##
#->##Laser weapons would cauterize (sp?) wounds instantly - that's
#->##one of the reasons that they're so good in surgery.  I'm not
#->##at all sure that have much stopping value.
#->#
#->#If the laser was powerful enough it would have great stopping power, thi
#->#about walking aroung with a hole through your chest, maybe damaging part
#->#of the heart in the process, or a lung.  I think you'll stop :-)
#->#
#->If you used a gigawatt argon laser, would there be enough flash
#->vaporization of body fluids to cause significant explosive destruction
#->to surrounding tissue?  It seems to me that with a coherent beam of
#->about .25 inches diameter and sufficient energy to flash water to
#->steam at several inches deep, the steam would be generated too fast
#->to escape through the entrance wound and would therefore cause
#->surrounding tissue to 'explode' outward.  That sounds like it would
#->hurt enough to make me lay down.
#->
#Certainly it should not take a gigawatt laser to do this.  In any event,
#this is getting to be ridiculous.  Anything big enough to carry around
#the power supply for a gigawatt laser ought to be able to make one shot
#kills on large naval vessels such as aircraft carriers.  A gigawatt is
#a LOT of juice.

#-- 
#John Cronin	Internet: gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu	Phone: (404) 876-1419
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#Live each day as if it's your last.  One day you'll be right.  -- me
#Lighten up, you're gonna die whether you have fun or not.      -- me again
	
	A gigawatt is certainly a lot of POWER but it doesn't really
matter unless there is a enough energy in the actual pulse.  There are
laboratory lasers the size of a small desk able to put out terawatt
pulses but the pulse width is only in the picosecond range.  Not much
energy there.

	The main problem with lasers, electromagnetic rail guns etc are
the power sources.  Sure, you could accelerate a 1 gram projectile to
10000m/s in a gun that could fit on a tank but the capacitor banks would
fit neatly into a not so small house.  Same for lasers.  Some concept
studies for the army show megawatt chemical lasers powered by fluorine
and hydrazine.  Hate to have to refuel under fire though.

	Anyway, the efficiency of lasers and em rail guns aren't that
crash hot either.  With all that energy, it might be better to invest it
in conventional projectile weapons.

				Daniel Oi
				University of Western Australia

Disclaimer: Just my thoughts on the subject.
From: loia@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Loia)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: INFO WANTED: Automag III cal. 30M1
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:09:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: leland.9211070204.AA17356
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

I'm interested in buying an Automag III chambered for .30M1 carbine
cartridge.

I have questions regarding:

1) accuracy
2) reliability
3) power of .30M1 cartridge compared to .357mag
4) cost of ammo compared to .357mag

I'd appreciate it greatly if any AutoMag III owners 
would post or email me their comments.

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From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT .380, Colt Mustang, or other?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:23:59 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


In article <BxLwpw.4K7@scylax.uucp>, scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET writes:
#
#cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes (>#)
##I want the gun that I can defend myself with best. If that means 
##I use a Colt Peacemaker, then that's what I will use. Don't get so 
##hung up on "state of the art". It's just an advertising gimmick 
##to make you upgrade your possesions often (and spend more money).
#
#I judge by results.  Also, logically, the amount of training
#put into getting proficient with a gun with no external safeties
#which you only have to aim and shoot every time, may lead to better
#results than having to master the same plus fiddling with hammers,
#safeties and what not.  Of course, human bias is stronger than all
#that and if you really like your 1911 not even a phazer will 
#tickle you fancy.  I will drop my favorite gun like a hot
#pancake if something demonstrably better comes along.  

Amen - That's what I said before. You missed my whole point. The 
Glock GIVES POOR RESULTS FOR ME!!!!!!!!! (I've put 400 rounds through 
17s & 19s, and 350 through a 21, so it's not through lack of effort). 
If I don't shoot well with it, I don't want it.  Basically, the Glock 
is NOT demonstrably better FOR ME, so I won't use it. Period. That 
doesn't mean YOU shouldn't use it if it works for YOU.

#still play with flintlocks on nostalgia evenings, but if If I expect
#trouble I'll go for the phazer.  If some good exising expert shooters
#got off their horses about these old pieces, and gave new guns the
#same enthusiasm they once gave their pet models.  They may realize that
#keeping an open mind to evolution is a good idea, not a hang-up.

I agree about keeping an open mind about new technology. Christ, what 
do you call throwing 750 rds through a brand of gun????? Just don't 
be a SLAVE to the latest and greatest thing that comes around. ONLY 
USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU.
#
#About the Glock, you are right, it is an ugly piece of work but
#don't let that fool you ...

I don't give a $hit WHAT it looks like, what I objected to was what 
it FEELS like (a brick in my hand). I think that's part of the 
reason I don't shoot as well with it. 

My keeping my 1911A1 (or my S&W or....) is my preference. I use them 
'cause they are what I shoot best with. If you shoot best with your 
Glock, so be it. More power to you. Just don't confuse my sticking 
to the gun that WORKS BEST FOR ME with a phobia of new technology. 
Give me some credit for having a brain will ya??

Later, Eddie
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: rec.guns submission
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:00:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov6.170355.7417
Organization: Western Washington University

RRUBERT@CISNCC.intel.com writes:

#I would bet that a laser weapon would be impulse and deliver a larger
#amount of energy. I would further bet that when the beam hit it would 
#vaporize a chunk of meat that would damage even more. It would be the ultimate
#low momentum/high energy weapon.

#			Rod Rubert

I suspect that radiation weapons will never obsolete firearms, 
not in 200 years or 500.    How much electricity would it take
to run a microwave or lazer projector that could rival a shotgun
or pistol in effectiveness of stopping?   Could a standard 
wall plug supply it today?  I doubt it could ever be had from a
portable device in any case, unless electricity storage technology
changes more than I can imagine.

Jim D
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Chinese 7.62 x39 Rounds
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:06:17 GMT


#However, there is lots of lead core around at virtually the same price.
#In general, the brown lacquered case Norinco is lead core while the
#brass wash case has a steel core bullet. Some of the brass case is

Are you sure about that?  There was a magazine article a few years
ago (1988?) and they sectioned one of the bullets on the brown
lacquered case, and it was steel core.

Of course, that was 4 years ago, and Norinco could have changed it
to a lead core by now.

Anyway, I found the lacquered cased ammo to be more accurate in my
SKS.  Then again, it was 4 years ago....

FWIW, I believe the brown ammo is noncorrosive....

Rob
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: the most frightening sound
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:26:45 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

Based on my experience around people who shoot the M1A its,

"KERPHAKKKK!! My eyes! My eyes!"

Other than that I vote for,

"OOPS"

-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * The one who dies with the most toys
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * has accomplished nothing beyond
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * enslaving himself to his possessions.
From: x9999bvj@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What was the Steyr GB?
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:58:05 GMT
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities

In article <9211050717.aa29752@s.s.ms.uky.edu>, miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
#wasn't that the big overly square boat-anchor looking thing?
#9mm pistol that was THE ugliest thing i have ever seen.
#am i thinking of the wrong thing here?

No, I think you are thinking of the HK VP70 maybe?  The Steyr GB, from
what I remember, was REAL smooth looking.

Brian
From: mfolenta@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: fun things to shoot at
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:38:04 GMT



   Well, here's another 2 cents on the 2 liter soda bottle trick.

    I have done it and it's FUN!!  Just take that plasic soda bottle,
fill it most of the way with water (I guess you could also just shoot
a full of soda, unopened one :-} ), put the cap on, step back and fire.

     I have done this with a 6" S&W 686 .357 Magnum (full house loads 
but I don't remember which ones), .22 LR pistol and rifle, a .38 Special
snubbie, a Marlin 30-30, and a shotgun with slugs.  The .22's only put 
holes in the bottle, as did the .38.  There just wasn't enough 
energy/velocity to do much.  But the .357, the 30-30, and the slugs
all would blow most of the bottom of the bottle off, causing the top
half of the bottle to fly up 10-20 feet in the air on a column/spray
of water.  It did seem to work best if you clipped the bottle in
the bottom 1/3, near the heavy plastic reinforcing ring that they
used to have.  Yes, the different rounds had different levels of
effect, but they were all fun.  And it was a nice change of pace
from just putting holes in paper or knocking over cans.


       ***** These are my opinions.  Get your own. :-) *****
      Michael Folenta          | U.S. Army ARDEC
   Future Weapons Branch       | Picatinny Arsenal, NJ 07806-5000
  email mfolenta@pica.army.mil | (201) 724-3880  [AV 880-3880]
From: bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Anyone using the .38-55 anymore???
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:57:52 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <01GR2DLO8UYG8WXC84@spcvxa.spc.edu> mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
#Is anyone else out there using a .38-55 anymore?  I'm having difficulty
#finding decent reloading data.  I got a reloading press (Dillon)
#recently and my father was able to find .38-55 dies.  The only reloading
#specs I've been able to find seem rather wimpy for a modern rifle.  My
#rifle, a Legendary Frontiersman Model 94, is only about 10 years old
#so I would think that it could take slightly "hot" loads (not screamers,
#mind you, but 10-15% hotter than normal).  I want those 255gr bullets
#to move a little faster so I can leave my protractor at home next time
#I have a 100-150 yard shot with it. :-)

The Win 94 in .38-55 isn't really suited to high pressure (for that
cartridge) loads - a High Wall would be, or a Rem Rolling Block, but
the 1894 was a reproduction model and can't quite hack it.

As for load data you should check Ken Water's Pet Loads from
Handloader magazine (May 1976).  He covered the cartridge pretty well
in that article. If you can't get access to the magazine you could get
the collected Pet Loads from Wolfe Publishing.  If you're in a *real*
hurry send me your address and I'll get a copy to you (but since I'm
out of town more than not ordering the book from Wolfe might well work
better).

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home   bbxrbk!russ@bbx.basis.com
Will hack unix for food
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: fun things to shoot at
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:45:20 GMT
Organization: Common Container Liberation Front


In article <RTARAZ.92Nov5125515@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
#
#After going to an indoor range for many times, I would like to take my
#Taurus 92 out side for a while.  I like to know what are some fun
#things to shoot at. (i.e.  A television tube should be alot of fun)

A man after me own heart.  I have shot up lots of things.  Many of the
best are even environmentally friendly (unlike the TV tubes, air-cond-
itioners, etc).  Some of the best are fruit; a pumpkin or watermelon may
be a bit big for the 9mm (one way to find out :).  Cantalopes and grape-
fruits might work better.  Cans of cheap veggies (ie kidney beans, saur-
kraut, etc) are also kind of fun, as are two liter bottles of anything
(drink the beverage and fill with water).  Also, cans of soda or beer
(although the last could be considered alcohol abuse :).  There are no
doubt other things I have not tried that would be fun, like mannikins
or crash test dummies (trying to find these).  I have also shot up old
cars, refrigerators, etc in my youth.  I am from south Georgia and it
was common for people to dispose of such things by leaving them next to
a logging trail somewhere.  Oh yeah, Tonka Trucks are great too, the
bigger the better.  An elephant may be able to stand on these, but the
don't hold very well under gun fire, even when the caliber is only .22 LR.
Ah, another one I forgot.  Beer Keg.  I took this sucker (it was over half
full and I was too embarrased to take it back like that, so here is what
I did: pump it up with a hand pump until the tap came of every time I
gave another stroke to the pump, then put it in a car's trunk and drive
several miles, the last few hundred yards of which were a bit rough, then
roll it down a hill (by kicking it) until it was at the desired spot.
Shot it with 150g .30-06 at about 50 yards.  It did not explode as I had
hoped, the bullet was in fact stopped by the beer inside, and so I was
just left with beer coming out of a hole at high pressure.  Since I was
using an M1, I just quickly put 7 more holes in it.  It looked pretty cool
with the beer coming out of all the holes, and as it emptied we of course
riddled the thing with every available firearm.  I have the keg at home
now, it is quite a conversation piece.

PS - use hollowpoints on most targets for best effects.

-- 
John Cronin	Internet: gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu	Phone: (404) 876-1419
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Live each day as if it's your last.  One day you'll be right.  -- me
Lighten up, you're gonna die whether you have fun or not.      -- me again
From: dale@sequent.com (Dale Mosby)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: changing to unmoderated
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:01:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng3.9211131732.AA19041

No -- don't make rec.guns unmoderated.  I read it now, but will
almost certainly give it up it it is unmoderated as I'm sure the
"noise", "rantings", and such will jump to an unbearable level.
I'm also certain that a huge percentage of the postings will be
calls to move stuff off to unmoderated gun group which I don't
bother to read.

I am an amateur radio operator and so read the amateur radio newsgroups.
There is some useful info there, but most of the posts are worthless
rantings over wheather CW (morse code) should be required.  I wish
that group was moderated with someone filtering out all those endless
posts.

Please keep the group moderated -- you are doing a great job.

A follow up comment as to "editorializing".  I've never found it
objectionable.  I don't think I've ever seen insults or anything
negative inserted in a posting that would be unfair.  If you can
save some bandwidth with something like:

  [The answer is definately NO.  Readers don't send thousands of
   mail to this poster. -- moderator]

Inserted in a post then that is useful.

I thing this newsgroup is a great example of how well a moderated
group works, and I really appreciate all the time you must put in
to do such a great job.

Dale.
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A "must" for the reloading bench
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:24:19 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <1992Nov2.170659.3067@phx.mcd.mot.com> mcdphx!systemname!gcall@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Glen Call) writes:
#I agree with emphasis on safety.  I do question the safety of the kinetic
#pullers.  Anyone out there have any experiences with accidental detonation of
#primers while using kinetic pullers?

I used one the other day, first thinking hard about this and related
safety issues.  I decided that there wasn't much danger since the
primer anvil would be given an impulse AWAY from the triggering
direction.  However I admit I was uneasy enough that I did the work
on an asphalt parking lot with my head well to the side of the puller.
From: hes@ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: New Books on Sale
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:26:50 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University


  This is the time of year that there are a lot of good firearms
books on sale.  Here are two sales of books by their publishers -

DBI usually runs a "buy one, get one free" sale in which you
have to pay postage and handling costs.  But in the winter they
usually run a sale with no postage and handling charged.  This
means you are getting a discount close to 50%.  You can get
books such as

Cartridges of the World 6th ed 19.95
ABC's of Reloading  16.95
Handloader's Digest 12th ed  19.95
1993 Gun Digest 19.95
Metallic Silhouette Shooting 15.95
Levine's guide to Knives and their values 2nd ed 22.95
and a bunch of the exploded drawings and assembly/disassembly books.
and many others

  (I've reviewed a number of these - let me know if you want copies.)

with this two-for-one deal these become *very* attractive buys.  The
ad is in the December Gun World, and probably many other places.


  A smaller discount is available for books from Wolfe Publishing
Co., but still it's better than nothing.  Wolfe has a lot of fine
books which are seldom on-sale.  Books include

Pet Loads (2 vol, including supplements 1-12) 29.50
Propellant Profiles 16.95
Small Arms Design (by Townsend Whelen) Vols I and II 49.50 each
and many others

The catalog plus a coupon good for a $10 discount (on orders over
$30) can be found in the Nov-Dec Handloader magazine.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
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