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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Wrens escape Lightning burns
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:36:50 GMT

In article <92309.130943RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov4.170236.16551@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri
>Nichols) says:
>>And before you complain that I'm just anti-Pens, I am a Pens fan.
>   Some fan you are, you like other people who mock your fav. team's nickname.
>That's not much of a fan to me.  If you were a fan, you would support THE PENS
>and not the Wrens.  There's a definition of what a fan really is.  My roommate
>calls himself a Penguins fan, yet he couldn't tell you who they played 2 games
>ago or name at least five players on the team!
>                                                         -Rob

Rob, will you get a grip?  Sherri was a Pens' fan long before it was the 
fashionable thing to be.  The same goes for Anna, Tom Sullivan, Rick, me.
And trust me, there have been times we've called the Pens far worse things than
"Wrens" or "Waddlers".  (In my case, such name calling has taking place as 
recently as Oct. 30.)  And this doesn't make us any less supportive of the 
team.  

My advice to you is this:  If you continue to read this board, either develop a 
sense of humor or some thick skin.  Because you ain't seen nothing yet.  Just
wait until it's time for the annual r.s.h. playoff free-for-all.  Talk about the
gloves coming off...

Lori
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Tuesday's (Nov. 10) game of the night!
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:01:26 GMT
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In article <92315.145044RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, <RAP115@psuvm writes:
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>2 starts (for diehards)
>Sharks at Canucks.  Canucks off to 5-2-1 start at home, very pretty in the
>Smythe at 5-1-1.  Could be a long night for the Sharks.

Truer words were ne'er spoken.

Not only was it a long night, but now, because basketball season has
arrived, SC carried the Warriors game rather than the Sharks game.  So I
watched the Oilers-Blues game and *listened* to the Sharks game.
Somehow, it just wasn't the same.

Basketball.  Feh.
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From: twollnik@fozzy.UUCP (Ted Wollnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Just wondering about Clinton
Summary: ENOUGH WITH MARIO !!
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:58:03 GMT
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Richardson Texas, USA


Well I think that I speak for ALOT of people here in saying, Yeah sure the 
Penguins (Wrens, Pens) are a good hockey team...sure fine...Great hockey team..

But can we just keep off the Mario Lemieux stuff for just ONE FRICKEN DAY....
Most of us net people are going to cough up a furball (or Penquin, or Flyer, or Ranger)
if we continue to hear this endless babbling about Mario, Eric Lindros, or the 54 years
(or however many they happen to be) that the Rangers HAVEN'T had a cup.

Let get some decent discussions.  The minute by minute update of the penquins games are fine,
but EMAIL them to each other.  STOP WASTING THE BANDWITH !!!

Dream Team hockey .... New Leagues (CHL, or a European League)... ARE GOOD TOPICs
Asking about injured players...hockey pools ... ARE GOOD TOPICs

Bill Clinton...more endless Mario or Eric BABBLE ... ARE NOT GOOD TOPICSs
heck...even a good flame is better than ANOTHER mindless "The Penguins are GODS team" 
article.

I respect your loyalty to the Penguins, and your excitement for there RECENT success, but
multiple postings EVERY day...is a little to much ...

However...this is just my two cents ...
By the way ... your comments are WELCOMED ...

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yeah I know!! but at least it HOCKEY !!!!
From: jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Jeff Kallenbach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: National (ESPN) versus regional (SC) television
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:00:53 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
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While I realize that the NHL badly needs continental exposure (twice as many
homes this year as last), there seems to be a couple of serious drawbacks to
this years system.

1. SC/Chicago caried alot more games last year than ESPN is this year.  It
   seemed we got 3-4 games every week last year in addition to the Hawks road 
   games (lots of 9:30 games from San Jose and LA).  

2. So far ESPN's coverage is great if you like Mario, Eric, or the Rangers, but 
   fans of other teams are short-changed.  I personally would rather see the
   Habs and Flames go at it than the Flyers and Caps.

3. Thorne and Shoenfeld are only fair.

Anybody agree, or should I suffer silently for the good of the sport 8--(? 

Jeff Kallenbach
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:55:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.050706.2972@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> fdg@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frank P. DiGiuseppe) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov9.210308.21923@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>|> [stuff about Olympic hockey dream teams deleted...]
>|> 
>|> What hockey needs is a proper World Cup...not a publicity stunt where
>|> the Russians are likely to humiliate the Canadian and American teams.
>
>I fail to see this last point. All the best Russians (and Ukranians, and
>Latvians...etc.) are now playing in the NHL. It seems to me that the Russians
>will have just as much difficulty getting a team to "gel" as the Canadians
>and Americans will in the short time that will be available. And any 
>"pre-existing" national team the Russians may already have in existence will
>likely be pretty weak in talent. I don't see how you could predict a 
>"humiliating" outcome for any team?
>

The lesson of 1972 is never to go into a competition against the
Russians unprepared.  Keenan ran month-long bootcamps before the last two
Canada Cups.

The Olympics will be on an international ice surface which NHL Russians
will have been brought up playing on, and the best Russians have been
all developed in the same elite program in the former Soviet Union and
have often previously played together over the years.  

The ice surface difference and the lack of preparation on it will be
a major disadvantage for the North American teams.  Bure on North
American ice is one thing...get him on the international surface, and
it is another...and without preparation, our defense will be extremely
suspect.

Without a month long training camp, and several exhibition games on
the international surface against strong competition, the Russians
will serve us our heads on a platter.

To have a 50-50 chance of winning, the NHL would have to be shut down
for two months...otherwise all you would be doing is sending an
unprepared all-star team for slaughter.

Gerald
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Sandis Ozolinsh?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:56:26 GMT

In article <1d98lqINN4qr@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:
>
>Can some of the Sharks' fans give me their impressions of Ozolinsh thus far
>this year?  Is he getting much power play time competing against Wilson and 
>Zmolek?  Curious to hear how you think he'll pan out this year offensively.

He has been excellent thus far; if I have to pick a team MVP for thus far of
the season, I'd have to pick him.  He has shown excellent instinct at starting
plays for the forwards, and although he is still making rookie mistakes on
defense, he is already possibly the Sharks' 2nd best defensive defenseman
(behind Neil Wilkinson)...  (I know, that is not saying much...)

As for the power-play time, he and More, as a combo, splits time with the
Wilson/Zmolek combo about 40%/40% of the time.  (The other 20% goes to
Wilkinson/Zettler.)

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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Re: Why tie scores? (was IHL parent clubs)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:47:15 GMT

In article <BxKqB1.78J@Novell.COM> dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:

>And thank goodness for that!! Why doesn't the NHL do that--play  
>sudden-death OT and then a shootout (or 2 or 3 or...) if still tied after  
>OT? Did they ever do something like that (I can't remember)? It makes it  
>*much* more exciting (especially the shootouts!), and you (not to mention  
>the players!) don't feel gipped by a tie score.

The NHL shouldn't even think of shootouts.  Hockey is a team sport
which depends on many individuals performing their function well.  Why
make only one aspect of the game (i.e., a breakaway) the difference
between a win and a loss?  There are times when a tie is the right thing.
despite what other (less-exciting) sports do.

-JPC

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From: etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam)
Subject: Re: CANUCKS TRADE
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:48:32 GMT

mattb@ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown) writes:
>but more of an Oates-style setter-upper. If Semenov's first game is any
>indication, the GM's better keep Quinn from rummaging around in their
>basements. 

If you think Quinn is good at dealing for players, what do you think
of the Kay Whitmore steal??  Man, I was watching today's game vs
winnpg (van 6 win 1), and although he looked shaky at times, he is one
fine goal tender.  Much better than Troy Gamble was anyways...

Ever since that St. Louis deal, it seems as if Quinn has been fluking
out with trades. (Recall : Ronning, Courtnall, Dirk, Mommesso)
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:19:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.151559.1329@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>Ellet ... was born in the US while his Canadian father was playing 
>minor league hockey, just like Moe Mantha, Mark Howe and a few others.  

Well, OK, Gordie was actually playing in the NHL ... you know what I meant.

-- 
Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT                       I left so much behind."
migod@turing.toronto.edu                                -- Leonard Cohen
From: rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle)
Subject: Re: Ice-time for Yzerman
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:13:56 EST
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan


	Yzerman's ice-time has most assuredly dropped. In his 155-point 
season, he played about 35 minutes every game - took a double shift (i.e.
two sets of wingers) and played on the power play *and* short-handed. There 
were games where he topped 40 minutes (unless I'm just glorifying the memory).

	Nowadays, he generally plays 25 or so. At least, he did last year.
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Rookies
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:52:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.182825.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>
>  I think that Selanne has a very small chance to win the Calder.
>  Maybe if he could play for some better team? I have seen here some
>  speculations on the best lines... and I haven't seen anybody suggesting
>  some line in the Jets. This is what I mean: let's say that the line
>  where Teemu now playes scores 120 points totally. If Teemu gets 50%
>  of those 120 points his score will be 60 points. But if he played
>  for a more successful team, it could be like this: his line totals
>  200 points and if Teemu's share is 40% he would end up to 80 points!!
>
>  Teemu has quite a many power play goals - so what? I think that all
>  goals are 'valuable' - especially the winning ones... Maybe Teemu
>  has more pp time than the others? Or is it so, that Juneau and Lindros
>  never have power play chances??
>
>  However - don't missunderstand me! I have very great respect for Juneau
>  and Lindros. Actually they are my favourites... And I must say that Teemu
>  has done it better than I expected. If he only could keep it up!
>
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  J E T S --------- T E E M U ---------- T E P P O --------->>>>>>>>------!
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------------

One of the big reasons why you won't see a 'best line' from the Jets, is that
the same three forwards barely play together for ONE game, let alone several
games in a row.  Selanne OFTEN plays with Tkachuk and Zhamnov, but he can
be out there with Steen and Olcyzk as well, or any other forwards (almost).
Coach Paddock keeps his defencemen playing together more than his forwards.

Unless he falls flat on his face, Teemu is going to score more than 60 or 80
points.  He's got 14 goals and 11 assists in 17 games so far, so that woud
work out to 124 points over the season.


Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
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From: paien00@DMI.USherb.CA (Nick)
Subject: Re: The Senators finish first!!!  (Sort of...)
Organization: Ascot Boyz - ANS Reader - BB #1
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:08:21 GMT

hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel) a ecrit:
>
>There was a breif news report on (CKWS?) and the drift was that Daigle
>was involved in some on-ice incident....somebody got hurt.
>They rolled some home video of a player slumped in a corner and saying
>that Daigle's chances to break the QMJHL record was now in doubt.
>Anybody have some details.

Well, Daigle crossed check a guy from behind on Sunday I think and he's
now suspended for 8 games... I guess he'll have to work very hard now to get
that record!


-- 
						Nick
  - Ce n'est pas parce qu'une rumeur ne tient   
     pas debout... qu'elle ne peut courir !
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Just wondering about Clinton
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:09:51 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1dai90INNsm@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>Seeing as Bill Clinton won the election, what are the chances he can
>recognize Mario Lemieux?
>
>Just my thoughts,
>Tony

With or without a helmet on Mario's head?

-PPV Mark
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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Mulroney next NHL Commissioner
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:00:47 GMT

The big rumor in The Sunday Province was that the Prime Ministers
Office has called up the NHL asking how someone applies for the new
Commissioner job.

Imagine it -- Brian Mulroney as NHL Commissioner.


You know, curling isn't that bad as a winter sport. :)


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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Re: Are EUROPEAN teams as good as NHL teams? (WAS: A Proposal...)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:44:14 GMT

In article <9211060215.AA14513@makwa.USask.ca> chin836@skdad.usask.ca writes:
>In article <PKORTELA.92Nov4165107@lk-hp-19.hut.fi>:
>>Teemu Selanne was the best goal scorer in finnish league, but was not on the
>>top of the points standings. Now he in the top ten of the NHL that says to me
>>that other players of finnish league weren't too bad either.
>
>Selanne is 22 years old, an age when rapid improvement in a hockey player
>occurs.  The difference in development between a 21-year-old and a 22-year-old
>can be quite substantial.  The majority of NHL forwards had their first break
>through seasons during the 21-23 age window.
>
 This is only one of many possible factors. Teemu might be a better player
 this year _or_ Teemu might actually be worse than last year. Just because he
 scores more doesn't necessarily have to mean that he is better, right.

 One other reason could be that it is easier to score in NHL, in one sense.
 Virtually every goal gets two assists in NHL while in Europe you do have
 to *assist* to get an assist.

 Other possible factors include playing time, power play time, surroundings 
 (which line he plays on), social life etc etc.

 Bottom line: We shouldn't draw any big conclusions about NHL vs. SM-Liiga or
 how other players from SM-Liiga would perform in NHL based on Teemu Selanne's
 point scoring this season and last season.

>>We both now that european players have to be far better than american to get
>>drafted or to get a contract.
>
>True, because six-figure transfer fees are involved.  NHL teams can sign
>American and Canadian players free of charge.
>
 So Winnipeg must have known that Teemu was great even last season (when he
 was 21) since they coughed up that kind of money for him.

>Glenn

 Staffan
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Hockey Pool Updater Program
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:06:02 GMT


I'm in a couple of hockey pools, and I'm wondering if anyone knows of
a program that runs on Unix that could use Matt's finger .plan to
update my pools automatically.


Thanks in advance,

--Dave
From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov12.175700.10038
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Organization: AT&T


	I don't know if anyone has mention this player to be on the 
supposed "U.S. Dream Team".

		Bob Probert

	He can't go back to Canada, right!!!! So, he would be my fist....
I mean first choice for the US Team.

- Dan
  Wings in 92'-93'
  Da Chill in the ECHL
From: callum-rob@yale.edu (Rob Callum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Ruzicka Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:31:56 GMT
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In article <BxInF2.tE@mach1.wlu.ca> hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U) writes:
>Can anyone enlighten me upon Vladimir Ruzicka's career.  I think he was
>traded directly from Edmonton to Boston for Greg Hawgood??.  However, my
>friend insists that he made a stop in Pittspurgh before going to the Bruins.
>Does anyone know the correct route he took to Boston from Edmonton, and the
>player(s) involved in the deal. 

	If I remember correctly, we picked Ruzicka up for a song. A song
being defined as a draft or on waivers. I don't believe Hawgood was
involved in that transaction. And as for spending time in Pittsburgh, this
is the first I'm hearing of that.
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From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Fastest man in the NHL spurs JETS on to their first road win
Originator: kdc@asimov.cc.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:12:48 GMT


They were 0 for 8 on the road heading into last night's game in Minnesota.
(and 0 for 3 against the Stars last year) but they came out flying, building
a 3-0 first period lead and going on to a 7-2 victory.
 TEEMU SELANNE (4 pts 2+2) was first star.  Igor Ulanov, Mike Eagles(2) and
Russ Romaniuk all scored their first goals of the season.
 
The Jets are now 2 games without a loss ( AHHHH   :-]   )
 
  Ken D.   U of Manitoba

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From: fdg@athena.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Frank P. DiGiuseppe)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:43:06 GMT

I don't want to start nit-picking, so just one comment...

In article <1992Nov11.212401.16185@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

[I said]
>>I agree with the first comment - to have an equal shot at winning they
>>would need that time. But to jump to the extreme of saying there will be
>>a slaughter is a bit much I think. 
>>
>
>You've obviously forgotten the two midseason contests which replaced
>the AllStar games during the eighties...Rendezvous in Quebec city in
>1987, and earlier in the decade in New York, when a hastily assembled
>team of NHL'ers playing on North American ice were humiliated by the
>Russians.

Yes, I remember them... I also remember the Russian powerhouse - the KLM
line at or near it's peak, a team that had been playing together quite
extensively - playing like a well oiled machine. This will NOT be the case
in '94.  The Russian team will definitely have an edge, but, I say again,
I don't see a slaughter.

I guess Gerald, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
(to be settled in Lillehammer... :-)

Frank

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