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From: jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:31:26 GMT

In <73061@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:

>>Get an OS design book, and read up on the subject of demand paging.  Actually,
>>a decent VM system won't even bother swapping out code -- it'll just discard
>>it and read it back in from the executable file when necessary.

>Oops...there goes all that self-modifying code.

>Seriously, this doesn't work so well in situations where you have a lot of
>"clever" assembler language programmers trying to fit all their code into
>a 4K segment (IBM mainframe).

How about "dirty bits"? If a page is written to, simply set it's "dirty
bit" so the OS knows it needs to be swapped out rather than discarded.
Works well :-). The overhead of this would be rather small compared to
the scheduling algorithm... (This should all be covered in the aforementioned
OS design book, BTW :)

>The mainframe VM that I'm familiar with (IBM MVS and IBM VM) swap the actual
>code; they don't reload the executable, since this allows a lot more backward
>compatibility with older code (and newer stuff, too) that is self-modifying.

>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko
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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:04:50 GMT

In article <C0qstz.7CD@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>So if I want a 68060 based computer, I can buy a A4000 for $2500.00,
>throw out the 68040, and put in the 68060...good plan!

	If you do decide to throw it out, please leave me your name and
address and tell me which day your trash service comes around.


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From: passaret@vane.med.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
Subject: Re: More Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Reply-To: Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com>
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee WI
	<1993Jan8.003542.27161@netcom.com> <C0IxE6.Jy4@news.iastate.edu>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:04:42 GMT


# In message <C0IxE6.Jy4@news.iastate.edu>, 
# barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

-mb->    The inelegance of the OS probably has something to do
-mb-> with it.  A person can sit down at an unconfigured,
-mb-> uncustomized Macintosh for the first time and figure out
-mb-> how to use it in minutes.  An Amiga -- especially one
-mb-> with the default out-of-the-box preferences in place --
-mb-> is a MUCH more difficult system to use.  AmigaOS 2.0
-mb-> still has not changed much, really.  You have to add a
-mb-> lot of PD/freeware utilities to the system and make
-mb-> major changes to the preferences to make an Amiga more
-mb-> attractive and usable.

Funny.  My six year old test case does just fine on both.  Seems
to have more trouble finding some stuff on the Mac, but that's
'cause  the folders were layed out by an adult.  The Amiga was
hers from day one, so she's got it done so it makes sense to her.
I did supply some icons for Ami, but I also installed
ColorDesk on the Mac, so I guess that evens that out...
(She plays with the Amiga more.  "The people move more, and
they're prettier").  

Guess she just doesn't have the benefit of your college
edumacation, huh Marc?
							-MM
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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: CBM does it again... 23 watt p.s. for A1200?!?
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 14:30:57 GMT
Keywords: gimme a break

In article <1993Jan8.122914.21083@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>Geez, thats even less powerful than the pathetic 35 watt p.o.s. I had
>burn up on me with a console alone!  Of all the things to scrimp on, this
>has to be about the most ridiculous... come on, why not give us a standard
>150 or 200 watt p.s.  How much could it cost?

  What exactly do you plan to hook up to the A1200 that would use 200
watts?  And how would you cool these power sucking devices?

  Give the Commodore Engineers come credit.  I'm sure they did a
power anaylisis of the system.  Do _you_ know how much of that 23 watts
is consumed by the base system?

>Thom

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From: dstuve@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (David Stuve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Keywords: Spam AGA Amiga
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:56:12 GMT
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
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In article <C0IK0K.1Mw@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>In article <1gsupqINN3st@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> dstuve@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (David Stuve) writes:
>>[As I do my yearly check-in to advocacy to see if it's improved
>
>What?  That's the groups charter... to not live up to its potential!
>
>>Perhaps its time we had a comp.sys.amiga.flames
>>group where all of our 10-year-old wannabies can have their little fits,
>>and others can flame about breasts, guns, Perot, taxes, and MS-DOS machines.
>So don't start bitchin' about it, or you may see it back in
>YOUR favorite technical newsgroup.
>
>You had the right idea for about a year... if you don't like
>it, stay away!
>

Lots of people have told me if I don't like it, just stay away...
I'll tell you why I don't stay away:  Occasionally somebody
comes on and posts news, amiga sightings, new product info, what
they want to see on the Amiga, etc.

It still seems to me that this is the true .advocacy stuff, and that
the other BS (flame wars, mostly) deserves to be in a comp.sys.amiga.flames
group.

BTW, not one person responded with what they want to see on the Amiga.
Sigh.

-David


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From: danaf@vccnorthd.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:41:24 GMT

In article <C0oDIJ.Bvo@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
|> 
|>    Get a clue.  ARexx is very nice for people who know what they are doing.
|> For integrating software into a 'works' package that would be sold to people
|> who do not wish to screw with manuals to figure out how to do something the
|> first time they use an Amiga and the pre-bundled 'works' software, relying
|> on ARexx to do the integration is not wise.  It would only make the software
|> more difficult to learn, causing the people you are trying to attract to
|> turn their new Amigas back in for Macintoshes.

I think ARexx can handle integration very well, without any effort on the end-
user's part. Look at the links in ProPage 3.0+ for an example of what can be
done with ARexx, without user input. The linking to ProDraw and ADPRo is easy,
efficient, and totally hidden from the user.

The new Genie Editor in 4.0 may make an even better case for what you can do
with ARexx...

|>    It would be far better to make the clipboard better and easier to use, and
|> write the software so that each uses the new features of the clipboard.  

Well, I think you're asking too much of the clipboard. Unlike the MAC system, 
where Apple exercises a stranglehold over all of their software developers and
can force them to do whatever they want to "integrate" things, the Amiga
community does not have the file standards and other common features necessary
for a MAC-like clipboard to exist. True, if you cut TEXT out of one program, 
you should be able to paste it into another.... but you can just as easily save
to a file and import it. I think the clipboard thing is minor and can be 
addressed when other features of the OS are finished.

|> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu


|> "No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer
|> is a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the AGA chipset." -- me

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
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From: atkin@freya.cs.umass.edu (Marc Atkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Byte's Amiga 4000 review...
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:07:09 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <mbrown.107y@legend.akron.oh.us>, mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us (MARK BROWN) writes:
|> I say the Amiga was an influence on IBM and other Vendors to develope 
|> Multitasking OS's, you say the amiga isn't. I'd Bet Money I am right. 
|>  I would like to see the History books 20 years from now and see what 
|> they have said about the amiga. Even Bill Gates said that the 
|> Computers of Tommorow will be modeled after the Amiga( Qoute from PC 
|> world, Jan of 91'(or is it 90'?) ).
|>      Mark

Wow, he really said this? Can someone give me the exact quote and reference,
I want to hang it over my desk at work... (I'm starting a little Amiga 
advocacy section there, for my co-workers to read :) :) :)

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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Keywords: Neuroses lobotomies penis envy spam spam spam humbug 
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:03:09 GMT

In article <C0prv2.Hu5@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>600.00 for 16 bit sound????

You get a DSP as well as the DAC/DCAs, probably a part of the reason for
the price.

You don't _have_ to splash out $600 for 16 bits though. Saw this 16bit #150
thingamajik in a mag not so long ago. (I hope I'm correct here(I mean, that
it also plays back samples, not only samples))
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:55:41 GMT
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Andre T. Yew (andrey@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
:
: >Plenty.  For strictly GUI API's, I'd say InterViews is the best I've seen,
: >followed by X/Xt, OS/2 PM, Windows, MacOS, AmigaOS, Atari GEM.  For best
:              ^^^^
: 	You're kidding right?  I'm curious why you ordered those
: the way you did.  If you have some time, could you type in
: what you think makes a good GUI API?  Thanks.
:

You seem to be asking specifically why I like X/Xt.  I think the X Toolkit
is very nicely designed.  It's object-oriented, and therefore extremely
flexible.  It's very abstract and high-level, with functions names like
XtManageChild(), and that's why I didn't like it at first, but then I found
that it does a heck of a lot with a very small number of calls.  I
particularly like the Motif version of the Toolkit.

: --Andre
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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Make WorkBench A WORK Bench!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:43:16 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1993Jan12.144514.25716@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CSC9241727H@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (KOUKOULAS,Steven) writes:
>Most utilities made for the Amiga lately all work on WB2.x perfect,
>using the gui as it was meant to be. But why is it that all the big gun
>software, open their own screens for use?

	Good programs which are non-graphics oriented should let you choose
between WB and custom screens.  The software I use most often -- TurboText
and VLT -- let you choose.  I recommend both programs highly.

>I have a 3000 and love multitasking up to ten programs at once but hate
>having to switch between screens to get somewhere. It defeats the purpose.

	You might hate it because switching screens, by default, means
cycling through them in sequence.  With 10 programs, this gets boring
fast.

	Check out the freeware program "switcher.lzh" available by ftp from
amiga.physik.unizh.ch.  It makes switching screens a LOT easier, letting
you jump immediately to any screen using a little popup requester.

	With Switcher, DMouse, screen dragging from the titlebar, screen
dragging from IPrefs, screen depth gadgets, and Amiga-M and Amiga-N, I have
six choices of how to switch screens at any time.  Way cool. :-)

                                                        Dan

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From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Subject: Re: A4000 Pricing
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:12:15 GMT

>In article <1ihl9cINNchd@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
>writes:
 
>>   why is it called a powerup deal when you don't have to previously own 
>>   an Amiga to powerup from?  Why not just lower the retail price instead.
>>   I hope CBM extends it past March.  I was thinking of getting an A1200
>>   with large HD, but right now I am only about $900 dollars away from being
>>   able to afford the A4000.  
 

Good question, and here's another good one. In Commodore's official literature
to dealers concerning the Power-Up deal they give instructions for purchasers
to follow in receiving their free software. Nowhere was it mentioned that I
could find to include the manual cover or serial number of a previous CBM
product. Also, CBM sort of set the selling price and power-up price and left
dealers little recourse on this one also. Trust me, there's very little room
between the two which is historically considered 'profit margin' either. :)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Deleting Directories Re: VistaPro & clones
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:41:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.205610.27828@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> pmancini@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Mancini) writes:
>
>	Harv, your method works fine on "Groups", but does not actually
>'delete' the files off of the hard disk.  I use windows 3.1 at work (and
>am typing in this message under it) and I can say without at doubt that
>deleteing directories that have files and subdirectories beneath them
>is a terrible bother.  I'm not going to bother to ask purchasing to
>shell $99 for the program, however, as I believe now that it is out
>someone will develop a PD version... I hope!
>
>	--Pete

Look, I think this $99 'shell' the original poster ever-so-slyly misrepresented
is the Norton Desktop for Windows.  It costs $99, deletes directories, and SHITLOADS
more, TOO!

Good grief, you people really though Windows users were SO depraved that they
bought a directory-deleter for a hundred buck! Gimme a break!  

-Dan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: More on 3DO
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:14:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.024918.8177@mksol.dseg.ti.com> stevew@mksol.dseg.ti.com (steve wootton) writes:
>Sounds pretty good for something starting at $700, with support from
>Paramount, Virgin, Ocean, Dynamix, Psygnosis, Maxis, Spectrum HoloByte,
>Matsushita (Panasonic showed a prototype 3DO system at CES), AT&T,
>Time-Warner, MCA, and Electronic Arts.

I already want one with a HD, a keyboard and a bit of RAM... *dreaming*

(I agree, that 'Amiga-feeling' is definitively there)

>Steve Wootton  --  stevew@mksol.dseg.ti.com
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:46:18 GMT

In article <Ray_Hines.08b9@dream.uucp> Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines) writes:
>In a message dated Tue  5 Jan 93 13:41, Barrett@iastate.edu (marc N. Barret
>wrote:
>
> BNB>    I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or
> BNB> good productivity software available for the Amiga.
>
>Sigh.  Here we go again.  Marc, do yourself a favor so you don't look like 
>a fool and buy some Euro mags.  Read them carefully.

   Where do I buy them?  I can't exactly go down to the local WaldenBooks and
buy a European Amiga magazine.  How do I go about getting one of these 
magazines from deep in the heart of the U.S.?

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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Usefulness of ARexx (was Re: More Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <58359@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>	Folks, here we have the classic "Marc Barrett Syndrome."  He has
>never used it, but he makes sweeping generalizations about it anyway.
>
>	Marc, you are wrong.  Pure and simple.  Your use of the word
>"slightly" displays either your ignorance, your inability to think
>creatively, or both.
>	Do I hear chewing?  Is Marc eating his words?  Of course not.  He's
>either going to make up an excuse, change the subject (no doubt bringing up
>"DataTax" or "structured graphics" again), or respond to some other point
>instead.  I don't know why I bother.

He can't being up DataTax;  according to the report posted in .applications,
(which quoted the authors of DataTax, btw), 
the US version of DataTax will be available for the Amiga from Oxxi this
year.  Since he praised it to the hilt when he thought it wasn't going
to be available, he'll probably never mention it again.

>                                                        Dan

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From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:57:28 GMT

>Do you really wonder?  If so, internal modem Supra 2400zi (2400 + v.42bis)
>goes for $119 at Creative Computers... if not, thanks for wasting my time.

Oh, twice the price of a PC internal modem?  And how much does a 14.4
or better cost?

>You could say the same for a 33MHz 486. The system performance doesn't double,
>but it sure as hell improves by quite a bit. So which do you get, a 33MHz 486
>or a 50MHz 486DX2? Kinda depends on what you want to do on your clone, huh.

Yep.  But neither of them is a "sham" or "scam," they are just differnt
options, like a 486/66.