HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Subject: Re: Stubborn Cyclists
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:09:14 GMT

From article <trussell.718411169@cwis>, by trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell):
> csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
> 
>>Generally the cyclists around here(Clemson, SC) are about as courteous as can
>>be expected, staying near the shoulder(no bike trails here), signalling their
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>     This is another thing that should be stressed in this discussion:  don't
> get ticked off at cyclists that don't hug the shoulder.
> 
>     Number one, they don't have to, they're vehicles just like cars.  There
> is usually a lot of gravel spillover on the sides of the roads from the
> shoulders, and the roads are rarely kept swept.
 
I don't get ticked off at cyclists who don't hug the shoulder, provided there
is broken pavement, gravel, sand, or some other sort of debris that might be
hazardous to a cyclist.  It's just that when they ride in the middle of the
lane of a two-lane road with clean shoulders, thus making it impossible to
scoot halfway into the oncoming lane in smaller breaks in traffic, that I get
a little bit peeved.  I know that passing cyclists on the road is a bit like
lapping backmarkers in roadcourse motor racing, they can't just magic them-
selves out of the other guy's way.  However, they are sharing the road with
others and should therefore have the courtesy to make room as soon as it is
safely possible to do so.  


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:31:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Bw2KwA.70D@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>In article <26309@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
>|> In rec.autos.driving, nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>|> >In article <23576@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa) writes:
>|> >|> Why does it seem strange that Perot complained that the government was
>|> >|> wasting money and then he goes on to say that we should INCREASE taxes?
>|> 
>|> >You noticed that too?  I'm just waiting too see what he says about that.
>|> 
>|> Because the debt needs to be paid also. Is this so hard to recognize?
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
>|> 			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
>|> 			     Make a U-turn to God.
>|> The irony is priceless.
>
>What the heck, I'll respond.  This idea of increasing taxes to pay off the
>debt has been going on for years and years.  We give them an extra dollar.
>They spend an extra dollar and twenty cents.  How long do you keep giving
>them a dollar if that's all they do?  They've had thier chance to spend
>responsibly.   Let them prove to use that they can spend within the limits
>before we think about giving them another tax increase.  People are fed
>up and don't enjoy the thought of having more taxes taken without any
>indication that they will be doing any good.  I say we throw the tea into
>the bay.


amen!!!  glad there are some people like us left.  bush's big tax increase
called for spending $1.83 for every extra $1.00!  we should never ever have
a tax increase again for anything.  let them cut spending.  and if something 
is important enough to spend money on....then let them get the money by 
cutting spending on something we no longer need.  i second the throwing of
tea into the bay!!!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Al Gore's comments
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:21:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.170342.6594@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
>
>Someone told me that in his book Al Gore said that the car was more
>dangerous than the atomic bomb.  Does anyone have any further information
>on this?

It makes you wonder how old Al got to the debate tonight, eh?  Maybe he 
took a bus or cycled over.

-- 
"In the end, We will conserve only what we love;  |  Thomas Paul Hutmacher
We will love only what we understand; And we will |  Houston, Texas USA
understand only what we are taught." Baba Dioum   |  paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: russell@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (russell.w.keating)
Subject: Experience with LIDAR detector?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:47:17 GMT

Does anyone in this Net group own a LIDAR detector?  If so, would you
please share with us your experience with it?

I am taking a trip through Indiana and Ohio (where LIDAR is used) and
want to know if it is worth getting a LIDAR detector.

Thanks,
-- 
Russell Keating, N9LIL ------------> Send email to: russell1@ihlpb.ATT.COM
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:59:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.26308
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.driving, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>In article <Bvt1xG.CAw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>>Spiros is even more unqualified. He thinks that because he was a grad
>>student, he knows what it's like to be poor. What a joke! Most *truly*
>>poor people would LOVE to be as rich as the typical grad student. How

Spiros, this guy has no clue. He is a real jerk-off. That said, let's
see where I can bolster you a bit with an additional view point....

>at $6,000/year, grad students are below the poverty line. We also don't
>get food stamps, aid to families with dependent children, etc. I had to
>support two people on 6K/year for 1 1/2 year....

I got less than $6000 per year, and I had to pay taxes on what I did
get. (I did only have to support myself, but due to the load I was forced
to take, I couldn't work outside of school.)

>How many grad students have had their gas and electricity cut
>>off because they couldn't afford to pay their bills that month?

>Happened to me. Watching the Bundy's on TV do bill fiddling brings back

Let's see, didn't have a phone; didn't have a car for 9 months; couldn't
afford insurance; the old car I had died, and that was despite all I 
could do to fix it; had really bald tires that I got for the cost of
mounting them because the service guy at Goodyear felt sorry for me;
had to wait with getting wisdom teeth removed, couldn't afford it; only 
had two pairs of shoes for two years; rode a bike that I could barely 
afford; lost 60 pounds in one year, because I couldn't afford food;
and generally a host of other unpleasant things that I'd rather not
recall. The final result was allright, as I now have a job that I like,
but I'll be paying for my schooling for the next seven years. Yeah,
I was rich allright. So are all those other grad students, living high
off the hog, with all those vienna sausages and soup and rice for their
only meals. Take a good look at someone who doesn't come from a rich
family and is in an ivy-league school, you pompous ass.

>How many
>>grad students are without basic medical insurance?

>I was. for four years. Had to wait to do dental work when I visited
>home once in a while...

The only reason I had any was because my parents were able to swing
me as astudent on their policy.

>>Yet he thinks he knows what it's like to be poor.

This is why you're a pompous ass.

>       ...live like a grad student well after I started working...

I know what you mean. Those $200 month payments eat into that "disposable
income, don't they?
:(

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:30:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Bw28zu.5rr@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>>To repeat my point for the comprehension-impaired:  
>
>>A lot of Chicken Littles on this newsgroup seem to be rushing around
>>proclaiming that the sky will fall if gasoline's retail price was
>>increased by $.50/gallon.  Their predictions of doom lose all
>>credibility when confronted with the historical reality of the early
>>1980s, when such high prices actually were in effect at a time when
>>the economy was booming its way out of a recession.
>
>>Note that I offer this merely as a dose of realism to the Doom
>>Brigades.  I myself also happen to oppose Perot's plan, but I refuse
>>to base my opposition on a demonstrably bogus premise.
>
>I hope the rest of you will forgive me for responding to such a
>pathetic attack.  The name calling really helps you get your point
>across.
>
>Ever consider that it may not necessarly be if people can afford
>it (which is black and white.  you don't know either), but wether
>it is right or not.  Regardless of if people can afford it, it is
>a regressive tax.  Is it right to implement a regressive tax?  Is
>it right to tax gas to pay off something unrelated to the use of
>gas (we need to get a better picture of exactly what his real
>intentions for the money are)?  Because other countries pay inflated
>prices, is it right that we should be forced to pay inflated
>prices as well?
>
>Is it right?  This is certainly subjective and we can probably
>argue about it until we explode.


good point.  regressive taxes are wrong.  also the government wastes a big
chunk of the money it takes in just on administering it, let alone outright
wastes where they spend it on random bullshit.  thus...why give them even
1 penny more to waste.                                               
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:02:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.152835.6903@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
>
>In case you missed this morning's Wall Street Journal, Henry Ross Pee-rot
>wants to have a Federal gasoline tax of 50 cents a gallon.
>
>Just thought you might like to be aware of this.
>
>
>Joe Naiman
>

Joe:  why didn't you also mention that the Perot gas tax proposal was
for 10 cents a year over the next five years?
 
Like another poster stated, all you have to do is to compare how much
we pay per gallon as opposed to other countries.

-- 

Nancy J. Feagans     (818) 306-6423
Jet Propulsion Lab   nancy@jpl-devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
"Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious."
From: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Does This Law Make Sense
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:19:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <!=3z4am@rpi.edu> kokerj@jec328.its.rpi.edu (James Matthew Kokernak) writes:
>In article <1bb41hINN3d8@bigboote.WPI.EDU> damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile) writes:
>
>>>I've been trying to find out how one can legally transport a firearm in
>>>a station wagon which has no locked trunk.  An NRA instructor told me
>>>that if the gun is on the seat in plain view, it is not concealed, and
>>>it's legal to transport it that way if the gun is unloaded.
>>
>>	In Mass, in order to transport a firearm inside of a vehicle,
>>	either loaded or unloaded, you must have a pistol permit.
>>	(yup, even if it isnt a handgun.)
>>	
>>	just figured id fill you in on silly Massachsetts laws.
>>
>>Damon
>>
>>damong@wpi.wpi.edu
>
>Forgive me for carrying this on in this newsgroup, but I do not believe that 
>this is correct. I've lived in MA for my entire life and have a LTC for
>all alwful purposes. I know how difficult it is to obtain these cards,
>especially east of I-495. Anyways, I have never read anything to confirm the
>above law. This would require all MA residents that (drive to) hunt have 

note that i was referring to a law concerning transport _inside_ the 
vehicle. all you need is a FID to transport rifles/shotguns in the trunk
(or under the hood for all of you rear-engined-car drivers)

>a pistol permit. In addition, out-of-staters would have a tough time since 
>it is nearly_impossible to obtain a visitors LTC. I see hundreds of out-of
>state hunters in my town every year. MA authorities don't want everyone 
>running around with handguns, so I can't imagine that they would give you a
>license to do so simply so you could transport a rifle in your car. I could
>be wrong though, no flames, but if you could cite the code and section, I
>would appreciate it. :-)
>
>--Jim


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:11:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.214412.2415@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>>
>>If he can barely afford to keep it running, I imagine that also includes
>>repairs on an old "luxury" car. Let him get an econobox, like anyone
>>else who doesn't want to pay the piper. 
>
>I hate to say this but the above statement is arrogant. It reminds me of
>the 'let them eat cake' mentality... It's easy for us (computer types) to
>go out and get a new car to avoid paying gas taxes; try convincing said
>mall employe to buy a new car so that she'll spend the money on car 
>payments and full insurance instead of gas... I.e. spend $400 a month to
>save $50 a month... Great economics there.

$400 a month with current borrowing rates for a 4 year loan will buy
quite a bit of new car.  Additionally, there is always the used car market
to get a car which still has considerable useful life to it AND which
gets 30+ MPG.

>That's the only thing that I find good. Many studies suggest that 10% of cars
>are responsible for 50% of pollution. But, just like insurance,
>you'll end up with people who drive without the proper emissions equipment.
>When I was in Detroit, people below a certain income and cars older
>than X years were excempt from emissions... 

Then Detroit is definetly a socialist heaven.  The NJ emmissions standards
are exempt for no one.  The standards are graduated for the age of the car
(ie. a 1968 vehicle which never had the emissions equipment or
design to enable it to meet 1980 levels is not required to meet those
1980 levels.)  However, every car that is licensed for daily use 
must go through inspection which includes emissions testing.

If NJ ever exempted people below a certain level of income from the emissions
standards applicable to their vehicle I would be the first to file
a suit against such an unfair practice.

Question: Does Detroit (Michigan) still exempt "poor" people
from emissions testing requirements?  Does any other state/locality
have a similar exemption based on on individuals income?

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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:07:14 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <26103@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>>Second, nobody drives the phenomenal distances we drive here. I commute
>>30 miles a day, one way, and am not the only one... In Europe, people think

>Wrong. My father used to travel 2 *cities* over everyday to go to work.
>About 50 miles. My mother traveled one city over, approximately 20 miles.
>These were in the '50s. My grandfather, in the '30s and 40s traveled
>30-35 miles every day to the office. My grandfather on my mother's side
>traveled over much of Europe for his job, being on the road 20+ days
>a month. He died in Germany in 1939 of a stomach ulcer. The rest all

We're talking 1980's and 1990's, not 1930's. And your grandfather on
the road for 20 days a month is not your typical commuter... I have
hundrends of relatives in Greece and many friends and coworkers in
Europe and they all report the same thing, that VEEEERY few people there
(as compared to the US) have mega-commutes. 

Since USENET is international, perhaps we could get some input from our
international friends. Here at Delco we get a chance to discuss this with
people who visit from our European divisions/affiliates (Luxemburg,
England, Germany, Belgium, ...). Most agree with what I'm saying.

>>Also people drive MUCH more fuel efficient cars there in general. Over
>>there a Honda Civic is a medium sized car. With cars over, say, 1600 cc
>>(1.6l) being penalized to death in taxes, there's little incentive.
>
>BS! What country were you in? The mercedes I drove while I was there
>couldn't have gotten more than 14 mpg, and those other monsters I saw
>in Germany (2.0 up to 5.0 l engines) couldn't have gotten much more,

Germany is the closest to the United States you'd find in Europe. But,
there's still England (serious tax penalties for over 1.4 and 2.0 liter
engines), Italy, Greece, France, ..... Remember some of the funnier named
BMW's, i.e. 516 (kidding), 518, etc? 

>with the way they were jack-rabbit starting at every light with full
>throttle to what ever speed limit happened to be there. Gas was $3.90
>a gallon.

Jack rabiting is a way of showing off; when showing off, gas might as
well cost $39.0 a gallon. 

We're pitting anecdotal evidence from one person vs. anecdotal evidence
from another person. I'll try to dig out some stats for the US and Europe
in terms of miles driven per year, commute time, etc. Until we do that,
we're not going anywhere with 'my grandfather drove a Benz' vs. 'my 
grandfather took the bus'. If we want to be more objective, how did
his income compare to the rest of the population?

Spiros
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Xref: sparky rec.autos.driving:6017 talk.politics.guns:21939
From: jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Does This Law Make Sense
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:20:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: photon.1992Oct8.194317.3609
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.


According to California law (and probably the laws of many other states),
to transport a firearm it must be in a locked compartment, i.e., the
trunk of a car.

I've been trying to find out how one can legally transport a firearm in
a station wagon which has no locked trunk.  An NRA instructor told me
that if the gun is on the seat in plain view, it is not concealed, and
it's legal to transport it that way if the gun is unloaded.

Does this make sense:  if I have the gun wrapped and I can't easily get
to it, it's illegal, but if I have the gun where I can get to it, it's
legal.

Joe Naiman
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: H. Ross Perot's proposed gas tax
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:39:14 GMT


In article <1992Oct07.214630.14417@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler) writes:
>
>Ron, I've been following your arguements for awhile, and there's one thing 
>I'm sure of: You are absolutely unqualified to speak for the 'poor'.

Spiros is even more unqualified. He thinks that because he was a grad
student, he knows what it's like to be poor. What a joke! Most *truly*
poor people would LOVE to be as rich as the typical grad student. How
many grad students live in a one bedroom apartment with 5 young
children? How many grad students have had their gas and electricity cut
off because they couldn't afford to pay their bills that month? How many
grad students are without basic medical insurance? Yet he thinks he
knows what it's like to be poor. I'd laugh if it weren't so profoundly
sad.

Nevertheless, we're unlikely to get a better perspective from anyone
here, since few poor/working poor people have net access.
From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Right turn on red
Date: 10 Oct 1992 05:29:09 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <673@dwp.la.ca.us> tim@manta.dwp.la.ca.us writes:
>A quick question.  Is it legal to make a right turn on red from the lane
>next to the right lane when it is designated for a right turn?????
>I can't believe it is legal yet EVERYBODY in LA does it.  Am I wrong?

It is illegal in Wisconsin to make a right turn on red from any lane other than
the one closest to the curb.
From: douglasy@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Douglas W. Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Subborn [sic] Joggers (Re: Stubborn Cyclists)
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Oct14.220100.23062
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.



Victor Bur (vib@fns-nc1.fns.com) writes:

> On a slightly different note:
> 
> here in Raleigh, NC I observe a lot of people jogging on the roads (in both
> directions!) at night while nice and EMPTY sidewalks are available.  The
> roads are not lit very well, an it makes it difficult for drivers and
> dangerous for the runners.
> 
> I think it would not aggravate me that much if I know why they are doing
> it.  I am sure there are many readers in this group who are into
> running/jogging, so I want to ask you: what is the logic (or necessity) to
> avoid sidewalks?  Any advantages to run on the road?


For one thing, asphalt is softer than concrete and is thus more 
comfortable to run on.  Unless the road is very narrow or traffic is
especially heavy, I would always choose to run on the street (against
traffic so I can see what is coming up) instead of the sidewalk which
I use as an emergency lane when avoiding erratic/menacing approaching
cars.


Douglas Yee
douglasy@intrepid.sps.mot.com
Austin, TX

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From: ag@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (andy garton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Re: Subborn [sic] Joggers (Re: Stubborn Cyclists)
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:20:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.

Also the road tends to have less camber and fewer bumps than the sidewalk...
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman)
Subject: Al Gore's comments
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:03:42 GMT


Someone told me that in his book Al Gore said that the car was more
dangerous than the atomic bomb.  Does anyone have any further information
on this?

Joe Naiman

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving