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From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
Subject: Re: Achievement based resumes
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:31:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.203119.6887@wuecl.wustl.edu> tsb1@cec2.wustl.edu (Tonya Suzette Bartow) writes:
>
>Is a chronological resume still preferred when the applicant is an entry-level
>college graduate?  I can just see it now:
>
>Jun-Aug  92  summer internship
>Sept-May 91  went to school
>Jun-Aug  91  summer internship
>Sept-May 90  went to school
>Jun-Aug  89  summer job
>Sept-May 89  went to school

That's just it.  They don't want college graduates.  The standard for
hiring for *any* position is at least one year experience.  If you
somehow managed to get a college degree without obtaining one year of
experience, woe is you.

A friend's wife just completed her second Master's degree - the first
was in industrial engineering, the second in computer science.  Her GPA
for all higher education is 3.96.  She has one of the most incredible
resumes ever produced for someone without experience - I know, I helped
write it.  It is better than mine.  She has been looking for a job all
summer.  Many employers have been very impressed with her credentials
and her resume.  But you know what she keeps hearing from prospective
employers?  "If you just had one year experience, we could offer you a
position right now."

Amazing.  Someone once said that 10 years ago to get a job in the
computer field, all you had to know how to do was be able to spell BASIC.
5 years ago you had to have a BS in computer science.  Now you have to
have at least one MS and at least one year of experience.  What will be
the entry-level requirements 10 years from now?  A PhD, one hardware and
one software patent, and at least 10 years experience?

Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jch3254@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.C. Handley )
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Originator: jch3254@ultb
Keywords: work vacation Europe
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:56:33 GMT

  On a flight back from Europe, a scholarly German gent 
  related these reasons when I asked him "why do Germans 
  seem to work less for more?"

   o Germany pays very little for its defense compared
     to the US.

   o Germany lets in proportionally fewer unskilled immigrants.

   o Germany's work force is more educated than US.

 However, 

   o Germans have greater social benefits since they, as a culture,
     are more willing to sacrifice personal freedom for social 
     security.

   o Germany doesn't have a middle class in the same sense as
     the US.  There are the professionals (engineers, managers,
     civil servants, etc), factory workers (i.e., the working class)
     and guest workers ( Poles, Turks, etc.)  Professionals make a 
     lot of money and factory workers get a lot of gov't supplied
     or mandated benefits.  

   o One has station in life ( a class, a job ) and one is expected
     to stay there for life.  Major career changes aren't done.


 Well, you know what they say, "a grass field is a non-Lambertian surface."
 John Handley                       jch3254@ultb.isc.rit.edu
 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:25:02 GMT

In article <BsvrJ5.4Fu@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>   While I hate to be a trouble-maker (right, Peter, whatever you say)
>   I just have to ask:  why is vacation time an issue?  TANSTAAFL, and
>   all that --  SOMEONE has to pay for that European employee's wages
>   when he's partying on the coast of Spain or fishing in some lake
>   in Sweden or painting his house in a suburb of Munich.  More
>   vacation time translates directly into higher labor costs or less
>   productivity.  Look at Europe's cost-of-living sometime or their
>   share of the world market in any of the a number of major in-
>   dustrial sectors.   Personally I'd rather have fewer vacation days 
>   and a stronger economy or more profitable company, than lots of
>   vacation time and watch my nation's economy or my company's 
>   fade to harder-working competitors.

I think this is too simplistic a view.  For one thing, many (most?) Americans
would be glad to trade some of their earnings for more vacation time. 
After all, of what use is money if you never have the time to enjoy it?
Also, consider that a certain percentage reduction in working time does not
necessarily equate to an equivalent reduction in productivity.  Quite often
the result will be the reverse.  That is, a reduction in working time will
result in an overall increase in productivity.  That is because the less
time you spend at work, the more focused you are on your work during the 
remaining time.  If that is not the case, then the economy benefits anyway,
because more people will be hired resulting in less unemployment.  I
suspect that total U.S. GNP would increase if Americans had more vacation time.

-- 
Tom Kimball  			tom@europa.lonestar.org    
tom@europa.lerctr.org   	tom%europa@egsner.cirr.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:06:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162919.10306@Princeton.EDU>, egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
# In article <1992Aug21.122906.22118@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
# >nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
# >
# >>  The Japanese average 2100 working hours a year versus 2050 in the US
# >>  (source: OECD) 
# 
# This figure is highly bogus.

Yeah, the Japanese figure looks way too low.

# The Wall Street Journal has documented how
# the Japanese confuse attendance at work with work and count as work time
# time spent reading the newspaper and playing games on the computer.

If the employees are at the office, most of the time it is counted
as "work", no matter what they are doing.

# Although this behavior is not restricted to Japan, it is, according to
# the WSJ, especially marked in that country.  Also marked is the habit of
# Japanese workers to count time spent in company-sponsored recreation (
# for example, drinking with the boss) as work.

This probably does not happen.  I have never heard of this,
and I have never seen it in the companies I have worked for.
Also if this was included, the average might should be up in the
2500 hour range.
The exception to this is for the people running special events.
For example the people running the company-sponsored softball tournament
will get their time marked as "weekend work" and get paid for it.
But the participants who play don't.

Recently Japan has been trying to reduce the number of hours worked,
to comply with the international demands:-)
Many people are just not "truthfully" reporting all of the hours worked.
People just write down that they worked a couple hours overtime (or
even zero in many cases) when they actually worked a lot more.
Many companies now have a cap on the number of hours one can work
overtime.  There have been many TV reports and interviews where this
is being shown.

There are also TV reports of people dying because of excess overtime
that the company forced them to do.  But this kind of overtime is not
the kind you get when you work 60 or 70 hours/week.  It is in the 120
hour/week range continuing (or off and on) for a while.

--
Hitoshi Doi, International Open Systems Engineering        doi@jrd.dec.com
Japan Research and Development Center               decwrl!jrd.dec.com!doi
Digital Equipment Corporation Japan          [from Japan: doi@dec-j.co.jp]
From: sandya@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Sandy A)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:32:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Chance of a life time #3...last time
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc

>  With Primerica, you will work as an independant  agent and it will be
>   like having your own business, but you will have the backing of a very
>   large company.

This means:

* You pay 15% of your income in FICA (twice what you pay if you are an 
  employee of someone else).

* You get no insurance benefits.

* You get no other benefits (stock options, etc.) 

* You get no paid holidays, no paid vacation.

* You have no job security.

* You pay all training costs (probably expensive).

* You pay all business costs: travel expenses, supplies, etc.

What exactly is "backing of a very large company?"
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Low paid Americans (Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:39:29 GMT
Organization: NCAR/UCAR

In article <Bsvtno.8uF@ecf.toronto.edu>, stefano@ecf.toronto.edu (Bruno Di Stefano) writes:
 
> The only country with a GDP per head higher ($30,007) than the USA where 
> people work longer hours is Japan.
> 
> Looking at the above figures I would tend to claim that, within reasonable
> limits and one exception (Japan), less "work means more productive workers".

There is also, now, a Japanese word for "death by overwork."  As another
poster said, productivity is not the only part of the overall economy.

-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam)
Subject: Help getting a friend a job overseas please.
Keywords: Australia!
Reply-To: jcelam%confused@glv.com
Organization: Encompass
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:35:53 GMT

Howdy -

I'm posting for a friend who is interested in working overseas, especially  
Australia.  He's gotten bombarded by rip-off outfits (you know: send us $350US  
and your resume and we'll get you a job overseas. Right.) and I just thought  
I'd tap net.resources.

Please e-mail 'cause I bet most folks don't give a hang.

Thanks.


--
James "Cliff" Elam                      | I want NeXTStep 3.0. Now!
(919) 380-6522 (v,w)                    | I want NeXT/Intel too!
jcelam%confused@glv.com - NeXT mail!    | DBKit will sell more NeXT's than IB!
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:5913 talk.politics.misc:40090
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:22:02 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <BsvrJ5.4Fu@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>   Personally I'd rather have fewer vacation days 
>   and a stronger economy or more profitable company, than lots of
>   vacation time and watch my nation's economy or my company's 
>   fade to harder-working competitors.

You are making the assumption that fewer vacation days leads to a
stronger economy or more profitable company.  While this may be true
in labor and little-skill service industries, it probably is not true
for very mentally demanding jobs.  People need time to relax, or else
their creativity and drive will suffer.  

-Thomas
From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce Mccullough)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Help Offer : Unix Tech/SysAdm - see resume
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:19:24 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <2a930ec4-113emisc.jobs@ddsw1.MCS.COM> akcs.duri@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Marino) writes:
>Italian Unix Tech/SysAdm just moved in Chicago looking for a job.
>Call at the numbers written in the following resume. Thanks.
> 


Gotta post to the right group to find what your looking for. Doesn't look
good to folks if ya don't know where to post.
-- 
Bruce Mccullough-Tech Assistant   | "The sharpest sword cannot cut itself".
Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
Georgia Institute of Technology   | all the knowledge you will ever need to  
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu| know". -    The Teacher
From: anderp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul A. Anderson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Advice: University Hospital Salary Levels
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:09:03 GMT
Distribution: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

Hi, my name is Paul, I've recently graduated with a M.S. in biomedical 
engineering and also hold a B.S. in electrical engineering. My problem is
that I am forced to make a quick decision on a research engineering
position at a university hospital in NJ. The job pays $30,000 to start
with a guaranteed 10% increase to $33,000 on January 1st, 1993. I have been 
told that research universities can't pay industry level salaries, but
based on offers my peers have recieved in industry and national averages
this appears to be extremly low. My question is that given that all other
aspects of the job are great, that is benifits, challenge, etc., is this
salary just too low for my credentials in todays market and will 
accepting this salary severly damage my salary history if and when I
decide to move into industry in two to three years.

Thanx,
Paul
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: vernon@iadpsa.safe.ia.gov (	Mark Vernon - DSB	)
Subject: Re: Infromation about CAP GEMINI AMERICA.
Organization: Iowa Department of Public Safety
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.032818.1728@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs461a09@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs461a09) writes:
>
>
>
>Subject: Looking for info about Cap Gemini America
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>===========================================================================
>(Yes, I already looked at the standard sources, there isn't much about them).
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Eddy.
>===================================================================
>
>		A WORD OF CAUTION ABOUT CAP GEMINI AMERICA
>
>The company is basically a franchise there are total around 20,000
>employee world wide.  All (or most) of CGA branches are individually owned
>and locally operated to best of my knowledge.
>
>PLEASE TAKE FOLLOWING CARE IN DEALING WITH THEM
>
>(1) The company has some standard procedure about issusing job offer.
>
>(2) The company calls for first interview in person, second, third and fourth
>	interviews may be in person or by telephone.  This four interview
>	process takes about one to three weeks (it is very fast).
>
>(3) In the last interview they will give you OFFER LETTER SUBJECTED TO they
>	themselves getting job and/ or CLIENTS approval.
>
>(4) PLEASE NOTE getting JOB OFFER LETTER IS NOT SAME AS GETTING JOB.
>(5) There is nothing wrong about there offer letter.  Only thing is
>	you may join them in one weeks time or one years time GOD ONLY
>	KNOWS.
>(6) Once they give job offer letter they just stop any correspondence
>	with you.  Then you have to start calling them. They give lot of
>	real or imaginary promisies (they raise false hope) about you
>	joining in near future.  DO NOT BELIEVE THEM TILL YOU ACTUALLY JOIN.
>
>	(this experience is very much common .  I 
>	think this might be there corporate policy)
>
>CAP GEMINIE IS A GOOD COMPANY but do not get fooled by there presentation.
>When my friend asked " YOUR COMPANY IS VERY BIG CORPORATION OF 20,000 EMP."
>the human resources manager just noded.  The company gave him brochure etc.
>of there Corp. profile it was misleading.  That particular branch had
>only 20 employee and no accounting department.  The pay checks come from
>NEW YORK or from FRANCE I do not recall.
>
>	If you get any other offer immediately take it do not wait
>for this company to send you joining date.  The wait can be 
>any where from one day to one year.
>
>ASK THEM CLEAR CUT WHEN I CAN JOIN YOU "EXACT DATE".
>
>Bye.

 I don't
From: allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: SEXXX!!!!
Summary: why should your head explode?
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:35:01 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <4HecPB6w164w@dvss.UUCP>, dvss!jtroy@udel.edu (Jay Troy) writes:
- - - - celibacy is good news until - - -
> At least until your head explodes.

Why should your head explode?

I have been celibate for the past 5 years. Thats right 5 years without
touching any other sex organ with my own. 

And I dont regret it one bit.

Happiness is waking up in the morning without some stranger in bed 
with you!

Happiness is coming home late from work and remembering that you dont
have to give excuses!

Trift is not spending big bucks on expensive dates which wither away
to whisps of memory the following hazed hung-over morning!

There are a lot of things to do besides sex; for example there is noting
like an evening spent with a good book or your computer!

Mark Allyn

P.S.

My best date  is getting on a bicycle loaded with ham radio equipment 
bicycling 7 miles in the rain to the opera while blowing kisses at the 
drivers of all of the cars that are stuck in the snarnled traffic 
and being able to park *IN* the lobby of the opera house free!
From: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Subject: Re: Working for free
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Reply-To: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.024413.20152@ee.ubc.ca>, rsemenof@ee.ubc.ca (SEMENOFF ROBERT) writes:
|> I've trying to find work to gain some relevant experience.
|> Since I'm an undergrad and just taking a year off, I'm thinking
|> it might be difficult to get anything better than the computer
|> equivalent of floor-sweeping, since I lack experience in some
|> of the _hot_ fields (GUI, OOP etc.).
|> 
|> Up to now I've just been expecting to get a full time salaried job
|> but now I'm thinking that it might be better to say
|> "I'll work for free for a while just to learn".
|> After doing that for a few months, I might then ask for
|> money or take my newly acquired skills elsewhere.
|> 
|> Does anyone have any comments on this ?
|> 
|> Of course it would be hard on me because I'd have to
|> work part time at a paying job to sustain myself.
|> Also, what would a potential employer's response be?
|> (This guy must be a real loser if he'll work for free) ?
|> 


Perhaps instead of saying you are willing to "work for free", you can tell them
you are looking for a intership or temporary full time or something like that.
This way you don't automatically put yourself down. At the same time, if they
really like you, they might offer some compensation. If they don't, it'll still
be okay since you were willing to work for free anyway.

Just my 2 cents. I'm looking for a job too, so it may worth even less than that.

Joe Tien
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: aeichsta@athena.mit.edu (Andrew J. Eichstaedt)
Subject: Jobs in Ohio?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:22:53 GMT

I'm contemplating a move to Columbus, Ohio, and I'd appreciate any information
about finding software development (C++/C/Unix, especially) positions in the area.

More generally, I'd be grateful for any advice on the area and what is has to
offer, both with respect to employment opportunites and otherwise.  Thanks!

Andrew Eichstaedt
AEichsta@Athena.MIT.Edu
Organization: Mythos/Xcalbrin Inc.
X-School: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:36:50 EDT
From: <TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Beards & Jobs
 <1992Aug11.042935.1901@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <65765@hydra.gatech.EDU>

I hear some companies do require their executives to have shaven
face at all times even where there is no safety concern.  For
example   EDS the software company still follows the rule even though
the company belongs to GM.  May be some one from EDS can confirm this fact?
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:14:13 GMT

Check out the recent best-seller: The Overworked American- for some insight.
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:5841 soc.women:15211
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,soc.women
Subject: Re: Achievement based resumes
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:26:09 GMT
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Aug12.123140.7980@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.203119.6887@wuecl.wustl.edu> tsb1@cec2.wustl.edu (Tonya Suzette Bartow) writes:
>>
>That's just it.  They don't want college graduates.  The standard for
>hiring for *any* position is at least one year experience.  If you
>employers?  "If you just had one year experience, we could offer you a
>position right now."
>Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
>TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM 
Ditto!  What are going to be the requirements 10 years from now?  
Probably a degree.  Has anyone noticed that these things seem to go in
cycles?  A decade ago, they were wanting people with degrees.  Now, the
degrees don't matter; it's the experience that counts.  I ought to know.
I have four degrees, and I can't seem to get the job I really want.  Oh
yeah, I am employed with a good position now, but you know why I got the
job?  Did they care about my degrees?  No!  They liked my experience...
--Keith
From: alagappan@raaji.enet.dec.com (KANDHA ALAGAPPAN)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How to get account on PUBLIC ACCESS network
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:48:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, MA.


	I am interested in finding out more information about 	getting
	an in public network such as, WORLD.STD.COM.

	Any information in subscribing, registering, or accessing to this
	network will be helpful.
Thanks
From: ljc@milp.jsc.nasa.gov (Larry Cannon)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Jobs In Oklahoma
Keywords: Jobs
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:17:59 GMT
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems

I'm looking for any job openings that may be in the Oklahoma City Area.

I am a system Adminstrator and software integrator on Sun and

Dec systems if there is someone out there that can help get back for

more info: Thanks
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: J045820@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Headhunter Info
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:37:08 GMT

Seeking information on a head hunter in the Georgia area, primarily
in the Middle Ga or Southern portions. (Macon Ga to Savannah).
Any information would be appreciated!!!
                                           Thanks BLSmith