HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Frederick.A.Ringwald@dartmouth.edu (Frederick A. Ringwald)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Men In Black (mib)
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:12:23 GMT
 <1992Jul22.183227.6227@mprgate.mpr.ca>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul22.183227.6227@mprgate.mpr.ca>
spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani) writes:

> If the Belgian government thought the UFOs were some kind of secret
> American aircraft being tested (illegally) over their country, I would 
> expect them to "threaten" the Americans by allowing the *public* release 
> of *any* information they find out about the objects.

But, such a threat would be much more effective if made in secret,
i.e., those concerned in the U.S. Government would hear about it, but
you wouldn't, as this itslef would be public disclosure!
From: mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin))
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:47:22 GMT
Organization: Cyberdyne Systems

In article <1992Jul22.213112.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>To heck with how the Pleiadians ships work or how fast they go. HOW DID
>THEY EVOLVE SO DARN FAST?  The Pleiades are bright young stars still
>within their nebular cocoon.  They are along the order of millions of
>years old.  It took life on Earth more than 4 billion years to evolve
>to the point where it could walk upright, talk, and dream silly dreams.
>Are the Pleidians child prodigies?  Btw the first prokaryotes didn't
>evolve here until a billion years or so after the formation of Earth.
>Thomas Freebairn

I think the New Age Crystalbabble party line is that the 
Pleiadians were seeded by an elder race; they did not originally
evolve in what is now their home system.  As for the Pleiades,
how far away are they?  You would want to add their distance to
their apparent age (as viewed from Earth) to get the actual age,
right?  

Also, if evolution is driven in part by genetic mutation caused
by stellar radiation, can we expect it to "happen faster" in
binary or trinary star systems?  

Have I convinced everyone that a liberal arts education
is truly worthless? :-)


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From: mike@selket.austin.ibm.com (Mike Austin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Keywords: Get a clue numb----.
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:59:09 GMT
Reply-To: mike@selket.austin.ibm.com (Mike Austin)
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

> Hello any & everybody,
> 
> Mabye John will get the MESSAGE this way?!?! All those in favor of dear old
> John_-_Winston sending e-mail instead of posting his responses to the world
> at large , please post a RE: to this message to let the post happy
> bandwidth burner
> know we are all growing weary of his blatent disregard for information
> dissemination in an organized & efficient manner.The next step of course
> would be to contact the NETWORK POLICE to give him a keyboard enema.
> 

To hell with a poll, sic the network police on him now!

John_-_Winston, STOP posting this personal crap.  We are sick of it!
You are ruining an otherwise entertaining newsgroup.  If you haven't
already, read the various postings about using the net found in 
news.admin or news.announce.newusers.  If you don't start paying 
attention and become a more friendly USENET user, you are inviting 
the wrath of many other users.  From your postings I gather that you
may have an understanding of the concept of karma.  You are building
up a rather hefty negative weight on your karma scale.

I repeat, knock this crap off!  Now!

_____________________________________________________________
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: A question for John_-_Winston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:26:17 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear tffreeb:
Well someone finally took pity on little ole me and told me who Hassan
B. Multu is and he turns out to be a person who does a lot of posting 
in Europe. He talks a lot about the Armeanian killing a bunch of Turks
not too many years ago. I can say without a hesitation that I'm not
him.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:01:01 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Is this alt.John.visitors?

**********************************
ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY
OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL?
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From: imw@siesoft.co.uk (Ian Wild)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Tachyons (was Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:12:47 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren) writes:
: In article <1992Jul23.080318.25996@fys.ruu.nl>, spiering@fys.ruu.nl (Geert Spiering) writes:
: 
: [...]
: >However there may be particles that ALWAYS travell at velocities > c.
: >The catch is, that these particles would have to have imaginary masses.
: [...]
: 
:  as far as I understood Einstein's relativity it was only valid with speeds
: less than "c", and what happened with speeds larger than "c" it could not
: predict, so as far as I understand these Tachyons need not possess imaginary
: mass at all; maybe they could be real, but how they got into that state no
: theory tells us...
: 

Wouldn't tachyons have to travel at >c relative to *everything*?  Including
themselves?

imw
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Re: Orgone Energy
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:19:52 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <stefang.712575664@isy> stefang@isy.liu.se (Stefan Gustavson) writes:
                                 [...]
>This could be considered a personal flame, but it is not intended to be.
>It is intended to be a general public flame to everybody being enough
>stupid to consider scepticism a bad thing.

If you are really so proud of your scepticism (sic) you should at
least learn how to spell it!   ;^)

If you are a sceptic, then you must be flaming the antisceptics!

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From: root@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:34:31 GMT


 
 yes [X] John,please refrain from posting what should be email responses to
 this newsgroup.
 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: Re: Why America ?
Followup-To:  alt.alien.visitors
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:08:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.114610@axion.bt.co.uk>, achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk (Anthony Chaplin) writes: (I fixed the wrapping lines.  L.S.)
|> 
|> I have a question for all you Phoenix Project fans out there
|> 
|> 	Why America, why not the old Soviet Union ?
|> 
|> Think about it logically,
|> 
|> 	1. Russia has vast tracks of barren, unpopulated lands. Compared to
|> Russia the remote places in America really aren't that remote.
|> 
|> 	2. Russia's air traffic control and radar network is much less
|> comphensive than the USA's, therefore the aliens could come and go more
|> easily..
|> 
|> 	3. Russia, during the cold war was far behind the technology of the west
|> and so would be willing to pay a higher price for alien technology ?
|> 
|> 	4. People could be silenced much more easily in the old Soviet Union than
|> they could in the USA (except if your name was Silkwood !)
|> 
|> Therefore if these supposed aliens had observed the earth they would have
|> found the Old Soviet Union a much more inviting place to build K-2 ??
|> 
|> But let me guess they do use the Soviet Union for bases, and someone somewhere
|> (who also forgot his camera) has seen it !
|> 
|> Don't get me wrong I don't have a closed mind to aliens (otherwise I wouldn't
|> subscript to this newsgroup) but massive alien bases in the USA ?
|> 
|> Cheers
|> 
|> Tony        
|> achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk    


Perhaps the base is very old. K2 might have seemed like a great place 1000
years ago. Additionally, there is no reason to believe that K2 is the *only*
base on earth. There could be 100s all over the place.


Oh darn. I forgot to say "alleged bases" :^)

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 06:08:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <61373@cup.portal.com> <1992Jul16.205929.23077@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
  <62414@cup.portal.com> <62435@cup.portal.com> <62440@cup.portal.com>

That is I'm still trying.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: zeta reticuli
Organization: Indiana University
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:04:51 -0500

In article <1992Jul25.004507.1@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
> In article <7697@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin)) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul22.213112.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>>>To heck with how the Pleiadians ships work or how fast they go. HOW DID
>>>THEY EVOLVE SO DARN FAST?  The Pleiades are bright young stars still
>>>within their nebular cocoon.  They are along the order of millions of
>>>years old.  It took life on Earth more than 4 billion years to evolve
>>>to the point where it could walk upright, talk, and dream silly dreams.
>>>Are the Pleidians child prodigies?  Btw the first prokaryotes didn't
>>>evolve here until a billion years or so after the formation of Earth.
>>>Thomas Freebairn
>>
>> I think the New Age Crystalbabble party line is that the
>> Pleiadians were seeded by an elder race; they did not originally
>> evolve in what is now their home system.
>
>  Yes?

It's still a pretty weak explanation.  Oxygen-breathing animals would have
a difficult time surviving on an earth-like planet before the evolution of
_plants_, let alone prokaryotes.  In fact, before the evolution of plants,
the earth wasn't really very `earth-like' at all, if by that term you mean
like it is now...

Ask yourself: Why is earth's atmosphere 21% oxygen?  How long did it take to
get this way (it wasn't always, you know).  How does soil cover over bedrock
form?  How could these `seeded' Pleiadians have survived before there was
any bacterial slime to be licked off of rocks, let alone oxygen to breath?

>
>>As for the Pleiades,
>> how far away are they?  You would want to add their distance to
>> their apparent age (as viewed from Earth) to get the actual age,
>> right?
>
> No.

Yes.  But if the distance in light years is very small compared to their age,
this correction will be negligable.

>> Also, if evolution is driven in part by genetic mutation caused
>> by stellar radiation, can we expect it to "happen faster" in
>> binary or trinary star systems?
>
> Yes and no.

But you're talking orders of magnitude faster.  And even if mutations happen
faster, if there is no selection pressure, how is this going to speed up
evolution?  What about selection pressures that are going to take on the
order of a billion years or so to develop regardless of the mutation rate,
like anaerobic bacteria producing enough O2 to make a big enough niche for
aerobic bacteria to florish?

>> Have I convinced everyone that a liberal arts education
>> is truly worthless? :-)>
>
> Maybe.
>
> Thomas Freebairn
--
James Harvey
harvey@iupui.edu  uucp: iugate!harvey  bitnet: harvey@indyvax
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: astral travel
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:39:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Bill, S., K., A., G., and Lubbe: That is quite a question and 
I'll try my best to answer it in full as time goes on.  The body is
devided in 5 or more bodies starting with the physical that we see,
then the astral, casual mental, spirtual and a few more thrown in 
for good measure. In OOB experiences you loose the use of the physical
and start looking around with the astral or spiritual. In astral 
projection you cause the physical to go into a trance state and 
travel with your astral or spiritual body to go and see things.
The astral is a lower frequency than the spiritual and is a little
more dangerous to use.
More later down the line.   John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kfisher3@mach4.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U)
Subject: Kill file
Summary: kill john winston 
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:40:44 GMT
Keywords: kill, john winston

HEO:
Can someone tell me how to set up my kill file so I don't have to
read John_-_Winston's IDIOT posts anymore?  He's really getting annoying,
especially when he continually violates nettiquitte by BLATANTLY IGNORING 
everyone's requests that he use e-mail for his personal babble.
 

Mucho appreciated,

-- 
Kevin Fisher      UUCP:kfisher3@mach4.wlu.ca
Physics & Computing '92 at WLU  - - "I can't handle it!"

	"Come on and dim the lights;  Switch on the strobe:
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:20:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <61373@cup.portal.com> <1992Jul16.205929.23077@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
  <62414@cup.portal.com> <62435@cup.portal.com> <62440@cup.portal.com>
  <62518@cup.portal.com>

Dear Everybody: At the present time I'm  attempting to copy some
more of the Sharri information from audio tape to post it on the 
net.
John Winston.
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:21:33 GMT
Followup-To: talk.bizarre
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <62928@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Future Astral Astronauts: In my last report of the Astral Convoy
> I made a few slight mistakes. The person called K. should have been J.
> J. lived in Penn. USA rather than Hawaii. E. forgot to go on the journey
> but his higher self took off on time and did make contact with J.  I 
> don't know what J. looks like but I think I got a picture in my mind 
> of E.  Shannon passed out according to the information I got from E. and 
> wasn't aware of anything. We don't know whether Shannon is a girl or boy
> but we don't want to ask because Shannon will think we're trying to cheat.
> Kumar turned out to be in the USA rather than Germany but he never could
> get his mind altogether. So we have a little room for improvement. We have
> a person from England named Linda that wants in on some of this action. JW

No, you mean K. and J. went with E. to see L. get in a spaceship with X.
I don't think Z. would like it that you get things messed up in this way.
If Linda wants in on some of this action, give her my email address and
we'll see what we can do.

J.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: alt.alien.visitors inspired dreams.
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:14:09 GMT


This group is giving me weird dreams. Here are a couple from the last
week. The first dream may be inspired by my interest in UFOs in general,
but the second dream is definitely alt.alien.visitors fault :^)

I was near the edge of a wooded area in what looked like someone's
back yard. It was bright and sunny and I was watching a strange
rugby ball shaped object floating near some bushes. The object was 
about 1 foot long and was a living creature. It was black and had
ribbon-like "fins" along the length of its body. It looked like one
of those "spanish dancer" sea creatures (nudibranch?) In my dream, 
I was familiar with these creatures, and I mostly ignored them like
everyone else. It suddenly occurred to me that the creatures hadn't
always been here, that they shouldn't be here. Just then a strange
thought came over me. I thought that if I look at the creatures and
concentrate, I would see them as they "really were". I turned around 
and looked at the space where the creature was and in its place I 
saw a small black-eyed grey alien about 3 feet tall. It was wearing
a small black monks outfit and appeared not to notice that I could 
see its true form. It must have realized that fact soon enough because
it turned to look at me. I became so frightened that I woke up.

The second dream happened just last night. I was at a family barbecue
and for some reason my stepfather was secretly butchering up 2 small 
grey aliens to serve as the main course. In my dream I was horrified at
this semi-cannibalism but I didn't say anything for some reason. After
the grey meat was cooked, my stepfather served up a platter containing 
fist-sized chunks of grey meat on a bed of lettuce. The meat was
orange-grey in colour and had the texture of a fine-celled sponge. 
Everyone else at the barbecue thought it was exceptionally good
salmon, but they didn't know where it really came from. I was sickened
when I tried to eat it, but it did taste like some decent salmon. 
Then I woke up.


Leonard.


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: bernieb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Steve Browne)
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll                 
Cc: bernieb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: bernieb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:55:12 +0000

 
>To hell with a poll, sic the network police on him now! 
> 
>John_-_Winston, STOP posting this personal crap.  We are sick of it! 
 
Hear Hear! Some of us actually have to pay for our usenet access, and then 
have to pay to download it - 75% of which is absolutely of no interest to me, 
coz John's mailing publicly. 
 
I'm not happy :( 
 
----------------------------- 
bernieb@cix.compulink.co.uk 
sbrowne@mcimail.com 
Steve Browne @ Notes 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Men In Black
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.170555.14030@acd4.acd.com>, gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes in part:
|> 
|> So, Mr. Skeptic, what is your explanation for the supposed "abductees"
|> regression statements that so many "UFO" writers are standing by?
Ahem.  Testimony from hypnotic regression is VERY shaky.  Good
hypnotists are very, very careful because it is so easy for the
hypnotist to create false memories by suggestion, even unintentionally.

From what I have read of old Budd's technique, he is terribly
incompetant and seems to be totally unaware of this issue.  My 
observation is that he is spreading his own beliefs by hypnotic
suggestion.  In other words, the explanation is simple--a charlatan
is promulgating his own twisted fantasies through abuse of hypnotism.

This would be almost funny if he weren't doing such damage to his 
victims.  Whatever problems these people may or may not have had 
(and some of them definitely had problems before Budd got them), 
they now have a firmly entrenched belief that they have been raped 
by aliens.  In most cases, this belief is incorrect, but the
psychological effect is likely to be horrible.  

Budd and the other "abductionophiles" have a lot to answer for.

|> By golly, something is going on. Not sure what
|> but I definately will be finding out. 
You bet something is going on, and it is a scandal.

As you investigate this, please learn something about hypnosis and 
hypnotic suggestion.  Try to keep a little perspective--Budd Hopkins
is not necessarily a reliable source.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: Alastair.Waddell@p6.f853.n681.z3.fidonet.org (Alastair Waddell)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Palladians
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:34:00 +1000

Hello All!

I have only heard this name (verbally) so the spelling may be incorrect.

So who are the Palladians? (not to be confused with "Palladium")

Alastair

 * Origin: The Man in the Iron Mask (3:681/853.6)

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz)
Subject: Re: John_-_Winston Poll
Keywords: Get a clue numb----. 
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:55:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.171026.13467@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>Hello any & everybody,
>
>Mabye John will get the MESSAGE this way?!?! All those in favor of dear old
>John_-_Winston sending e-mail instead of posting his responses to the world
>at large , please post a RE: to this message to let the post happy
>bandwidth burner
>know we are all growing weary of his blatent disregard for information
>dissemination in an organized & efficient manner.The next step of course
>would be to contact the NETWORK POLICE to give him a keyboard enema.
>
>The choices are:
>
>yes [X] John,please refrain from posting what should be email responses to
>this newsgroup.
>
>no [ ] John, continue with your irratating ways. We love to read all of
>your responses to questions & flames that we have never seen.
> 
>the old moronic no opinion [ ] What a stupid idea in the first place,who
>cares about someone with no opinion.
>
>Rod  
>
>-- 
>Rod Beckwith     |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
>Datacom I/S      |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,
>rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge."
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>
>
>			
>

 OK, so it's *not* just my observation..phew!..I hadn't mentioned it for
fear of being flame-broiled by everyone for the mere suggestion that some
net manners might be in order...therefore, list this one as:

 yes [X] PLEASE JOHN, take it to email!


(three cosmic cheers for Rod's Poll..tnx!)


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