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From: bburns@agora.rain.com (Barry Burns)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Poinsettias
Date: 1 Jan 93 02:44:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C05MAy.24q
Organization: Open Communications Forum

>Yep, he's a sweetie all right. :)

>But now you've given my husband Barry a golden opportunity to demuffin.
>He finds UNIX a little intimidating.  Send him mail at bburns@agora.rain.com 
>if you want to encourage him to post.  Come on, honey, I know you're reading
>this...
>-- 
>Brent Capps                          |        

Okay, Okay, enough already...(and no, Brent did not buy me a UNIX for 
Imbiciles for Christmas like he promised...) after several months of 
lurking, maybe it's time to step from behind Brent's shadow and become 
my own person(those of you who know us should hear the note of irony 
in my voice :^))!
A note to all of the posters and lurkers on soc.motss, thanks for this 
wonderful forum that truly reflects the best (and worst) of our community.
Blessings to all, and a Happy New Year!

-- 
Barry Burns             |
bburns@agora.rain.com   |   I wasn't recruited -- I enlisted
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: Miracle cure for homophobic states
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:40:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.062101.2478@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>And I *don't* think Congress would do it. The First Congressional
>Commandment is "Thou Shalt Keep Thy Ass Covered", and not many
>Congressfilk have the guts to pass a gay-positive law as sweeping
>as the suggested funding one would be.
>-- 

What Congress could do and Clinton would sign into law is to add 'sexual
orientation' to the Civil Rights Act.



Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: GLAAD: Anti-gay reggae star Buju Banton, "Boom Bye Bye"
Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:34:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



REGGAE HIT: KILLING GAYS IS GOOD

Reggae star Buju Banton's dance hit "Boom Bye Bye" encourages
listeners to shoot gay men. Here's a sample:

        Faggots have to run
        Or get a bullet in the head
        Bang-bang (shots) in a faggot's head.
        Homeboys don't condone nasty men.
        They must die. (repeat)

        Two men necking
        Lying in a bed.
        Hugging each other
        And caressing one another's legs.
        Get an automatic or an Uzi instead.
        Shoot them now, let us shoot them.
         (gunshot)

(Let GLAAD know if you hear "Boom Bye Bye" on a station in your
area.)

While this egrarious song was distributed only on a small
independent label, industry leader Mercury Records subsequently
signed Buju Banton to a major contract.

On the upside, Mercury agreed to help produce and promote public
service announcements condemning anti-gay violence. Support
Mercury's committment to this effort. Write:

        Edward Eckstine, President
        Mercury Records
        Worldwide Plaza
        825 8th Avenue
        New York, NY 10019
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:45:29 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1992Dec24.013258.29553@spdcc.com>
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>With big (and sliughtly furry) fingers...
               ^^^^^^^^^

The 'i' is silent, we suppose.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Credit cards (was Re: Posting Styles)
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:10:04 GMT

xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:

 >Here is a method that has in fact worked for the love of my life.
 >In Canada, if you are turned down for a credit card, you have the
 >right to know *exactly* why. Not just "you don't make enough" but
 >"we require people to earn at least xxx and you don't make that"
 >or "we require rent to be less than y% of gross pay and yours is
 >more so you're stretched too thin." 

That is not so in the US.  You're entitled to the information on
which the decision was based, but not to the reasoning that went
into that decision.  We still don't have a clue why Marty was turned
down for a card sponsored by one of his professional organizations.
The most likely interpretation is that we don't carry enough of a
balance to be of interest to them.  (It's a rare month that we carry
a aything over.)

ObMotss???

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:14:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.215922.12999@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>soc.motss.info. Separate the information from the rest of the chatter.

The trouble with "info" is that it doesn't separate
anything.  News is info.  How we lead our lives is info.
Political philosophy and activism are info.  Certainly, it's
possible for a charter or FAQ to define what the term means
sufficiently to guide those who are looking for guidance
about here to post.  But then, most people don't read a
charter or a FAQ; they use their intuition, which doesn't
get much guidance from a word like "info."

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 12:15:47 GMT

In article <C03HIJ.54r@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>You talk to a friend... wow, now that's credible.

Hey... everyone knows that the internet is just a big AI system at the
pentagon that's run by the NSA :)

-- 
|Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free"   |CO made a #2 no-no... PU!          |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Soc.motss Reorganization - Proposal Collection/Voting Procedure
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:03:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.152308.3185@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
:I will also begin collecting votes from the soc.motss/soc.bi
:readership on which proposal is best/most-popular.  Only one vote per

Does this have anything to do with soc.bi?  This is the first we've heard of
any reorganisation, and as far as I know we've no interest in or reason to
reorganise soc.bi.   If you crossposted only out of courtesy for soc.bi
readers who read soc.motss too (I believe there are a few, though most of
us only see cross-posted articles, and several of us have soc.motss in
out killfiles) then don't feel obliged to; those people read soc.motss
anyway and can answer there.

Speaking personally of course.

G
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:29:27 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <jrk.725565034@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
>In <1992Dec28.121147.22262@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>Also, you can't dock an
>>uncircumcised cock.
>
>Uhhhhhhhh...
>
>Sorry, thinking of "dock" = "partially amputate, esp. a dog's tail or ears".
>
>But what (a clueless newbie asks) does dock mean here?

It also means to berth, like a boat. John Dorrance will formulate a
complete reply by tomorrow. He's doing some in=hand investigation I
hope.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dfs@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne)
Subject: Re: Studies Say Children of Gays Not Troubled
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 22:32:38 GMT

 exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
|> As seen in the 12/8/92 Dallas Morning News:
|> 
|> << Studies Say Children Of Gays Not Troubled >>


My son (that is, the biological offspring of my ex-lover and
her then husband; she and I raised Jeremy together from the time
he was 2 or 3) just told me that one of his good friends at
college is a woman who was raised by her gay father (who died of
AIDS when she was just 13).  The two of them have decided to be 
a sort of local speakers' bureau, visiting classes at their
college and telling students what it's like to be raised by gay
parents.  

Come to think of it, I forgot to ask him just what it is
that he would plan to say -- I'll have to do that.  He has
told me recently, though, that he thinks we did a great job
raising him.  (He may not always have that same opinion, so
it behooves me to cherish such compliments when I get them.)


Debby
dfs@bellcore.com
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 18:45:11 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

jns@roissy.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> > Has anyone put together a way to for companies to code this, that 
> > would provide coverage for 'couples', without leaving them open 
> > to roomates or just anyone a person wants to put on the insurance? 
> 
> [It's frequently called 'marriage'; it's been "put together"
>  by the government.]

Having gay marriages legal would make the job nice and clean.  But 
until that happens, what else?  Some more progressive companies 
have managed to find ways to word policies that are more equitable, 
others havent taken the time, or found a way.  If a way was *given* 
to them, they might try it. 

> Do you even bother to read what you write?

Yes, do you think smart-alec replies help anything?  It's amazing 
that I can sit here and agree that companies should find ways for 
covering SO's, and I *still* get flak for it.  

Walter
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:33:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C03DKL.ux@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike
Reaser) wrote:

> BBC put it best:  all the Equal Opportunity policies in world are useless
> if the _law_ doesn't allow you to use them.  And that's what Amendment 2
> does.
> 
> Why is that so hard for so many to see?

Because it is *fucking* *wrong*! (it's not New Year yet).

Over and over and over we have *seen* CONCRETE EVIDENCE that the
*legislative* process is a fine load of CRAP, and that it can
be abused by BOTH sides of the ideological spectrum - rabid
fundamentalists and totalitarian queens *both*  I most certainly
DO NOT apologize for using the strongest language possible,
because I am so FUCKING TIRED of blubbering socialiste faggots
bitching about how corporations are ALL OUT TO GET THEM and
how, WITHOUT LEGISLATION, some nasty CEO is going to take away
all their PRECIOUS RIGHTS.

The FACT of the matter is that corporations were under NO FUCKING
LEGAL OBLIGATION whatsoever to ENACT the fairy-friendly EE
clauses in the FIRST FUCKING PLACE, and that having done so, there
is NO REASON to suspect they will pull out.  

I sure as HELL trust that large corporations will be less
affected by the BLOW-HARD winds of POLITICAL FASHION - one way
or the OTHER - than any God-damn LEGISLATION.

FUCK government intervention.  PERIOD.

*X*
(and as for Donna Who being able to put ANYTHING "best" - HAH!)
From: justin@hp750.ccs.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
    <1i5kckINNagr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:14:06 GMT

an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton) writes:

>In a previous article, MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>>But what about those people that really struggle with their
>>sexuality and really don't want to be "homosexual." 

>Look, if they don't want to have gay sex, then they don't have to.
>But I =ENJOY= being gay. I =ENJOY= gay sex. I =ENJOY= being just
>a little bit different from the other sad, miserable sheep that
>follow ascists blindly around the world.

Now now.. I =ENJOY= being me.. I =ENJOY= straight sex. I'm still different.
I pride myself on behaving as an individual, not as a member of the flock.
I am sad and miserable, but that has nothing to do with my sexual orientation.
Besides, most men don't follow blindly.. They go wherever the little head
takes them. :)

>I don't want to be "cured" because I don't have a disease. If you
>want to be "cured" then go get brainwashed or pray or whatever you want
>to do....

That sounds like what most people tell their shrink.. They're usually right,
though.. 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 22:38:45 GMT

smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>> Let's see... I know of many cases at San Francisco General Hospital where
>> it has been violated.  I know of cases at HP and IBM where people are having
>> problems.  I can come up with a lot of places where people had to invoke
>> the policy.  It happens all the time.
>> 
>> Why would this surprise you?

>Because I've never seen it, my wife (who works in HR) has never seen 
>it, and I've never heard about any.  Can you give details?  I don't want 
>to put you out or fill up your time, but I would be curious to see 
>this in action, since it's something I've never seen before. [...]

Switch on the TV.  A week or two ago 9 News told about a woman who
was denied, by the Denver Career Service Board, three days of sick leave
to take care of her injured partner during 1990-1991.  I think she was
working for Denver General Hospital.  She took them to court and on
December 4, a Denver district judge overruled the Board's decision
because their definition of "immediate family" ran counter to their own
non-discrimination rule.  I think they said on that broadcast that
the city of Denver will appeal the ruling and that we're talking about
a $200-400 dispute, here.  Walter, here we have a local, recent, case
of an organization going against it's own non-discrimination policy, and
one clear-cut enough for a judge to agree it was discrimination.  So now
you know it happens, ok?

We don't have to imagine more than one case of this to see it is unfair,
but you can also look up articles about how the military specifically looks
for gay people for the purpose of discharging them simply for being gay.
You can use the index(es) for the local papers at your library to find more
local cases.  You can read the recent articles about increased anti-gay
violence here in Colorado (I don't have dates and publications handy).

As for why people discriminate, you're asking the wrong people.
talk.religion might be a place to start.  Or ask that neighbor
who tore up his Levis.  You might also ask yourself why you don't go
to a gay bar alone, or why you don't ask around to find out where one is.

--
--Suzanne Morine          smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
--"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil.  If
--they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men,
--the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui."     Helen Keller
From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: gay-positive soap opera character
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:49:34
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com


I have struggled with this post basically cuz I have to admit to having had
an afternoon network soap on my tv.  But, I was channel hopping and I was
attracted by a very handsome late teenager. He was being complimented by
another teenager who said [and I paraphrase] "gee.. it must have been tough
telling everyone you were gay last year [?].  I really respect you for
doing it."  The other lad says "It wasn't so hard.  Most people didn't
react too badly. My father still doesn't totally accept it."  The original
fellow says "My dad took it badly too."  [Light bulb pops above head of the
person who was being complimented for coming out.  This guy is gay too.]
Scene changes to something.  I switch channels.

I think the soap was on ABC and around 14:00 EST.  Anyone know the soap??

This very short scene struck me as being very positive.  As did the young
men in question.

jim
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:19:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BzvsBy.5zH
Organization: Open Communications Forum

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
>found Usenet, or later?

A friend of mine at the CS department (I was in Physics at the time)
tipped me off about a gay newsgroup called motss (though I seem to
recall it was called net.motss at the time).  From '83 through '90
I read intermittently as time and circumstances permitted until another
friend tipped me off about agora, a public access machine here in
Portland.
-- 
Brent Capps                          |        
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | (B4) h t w- dc g+ k? s-: e++ r-
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed to your parents. - Advice.
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:34:24 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago


re pflag:
remember, there are plenty of people in pflag who think
bisexuality is "just a phase" or worse yet, self-denial
(of homosexuality) as well.  

peg
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:08:22 GMT

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

> >One time I was behind by *4000*
> >messages and just had to mark them all read.

>Here is clear evidence of insufficient devotion.  If there were a
>cabal it would have to address this matter.

Good lord, yes. If there were a cabal, he'd be summarily waylaid
on his way to his car after work today, thumped in the head with
a rubber hose and dragged to the nearest religious bookstore,
where he'd be barricaded in after putting in an 8-track of the
Compleat Works of Sandy Patti and setting it for continuous play
at concert volume. If there were a cabal. But there's not, so we
can only dream...

John, posting after the confessed Anti-Twee

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 01:46:32 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <47539@ogicse.ogi.edu> <1992Dec20.052613.4690@macc.wisc.edu>

Jess Anderson writes:
>Possibly you're referring here primarily to keeping the
>present acronym, for nostalgic or whatever reasons.  But as
>someone else has already remarked, and I've spent some time
>confirming it today, the Most High Ones of news
>administration are adamant that groups of groups be named
>according to Their Scheme, which is that if there's an

"The Most High Ones" can just go suck rocks, as far as I'm
concerned.

>X.[abc], then there's no X without .[abc].  THe only
>exception to this form allowed, I understand (no, I have not
>checked all 2000+ newsgroups), is X.y.d for the meta-group
X.y.
>
Oh, bullpucky.  There are any number of weirdnesses grandfathered
into the news system; I don't see where (IF we wind up keeping
the name "motss") why there couldn't be sub-groups (other than
".d.") while keeping soc.motss as the main group.

Anal-retentive computer geeks with delusions of godhood *really*
steam my sox.

 
() A technique is a trick that works.
()      -- Gian-Carlo Rota
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: penis size (was Re: Muffin on Parade)
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:12:06 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

>No, and now I feel more self-conscious than ever.  I feel like if
>I'm ever at a motss-con in a clothing-optional situation that
>everybody's going to be staring at me, checking it out.  That 
>makes me feel like a freak!  No thank you.

Very attractive people have this same problem (I have neither...).
Many absolutely *delicious* boybshkas have complained to me 
that no one ever takes them seriously. We will be involved in
fearsome petting, and they will say "all anybody ever wants me
to do is drop my pants."  And I, sensitive creature that I am,
will say, "drop your pants."  And they will sigh and drop their
pants. 

People will want you for whatever reason they want you.  Some
because of your abilities as a scintilating (Dolphie!  Dolphie!
Is that word spelled correctly?  *DOL*phie!  Where *is* that
queen when you *want* him?) wit, and some will want you for
your titilating qualities (*DOL*phie... oh.  never mind...).

You are, of coure, free to determine whether or not you drop
your pants; but you cannot determine why someone else will
or will not you ask you to do it.

*X*
(and *really* - has anyone ever known a bubble-butted blonde
beach boy to be *worth* taking seriously?  I mean, *really*?)
Newsgroups: soc.motss