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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: More camera
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:02:55 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

davies@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (R.J.Davies) writes:
> In article <723840180snx@cursci.demon.co.uk> gtoal@cursci.demon.co.uk (Graham
> >Any other crimes found during a random search (ie vehicle was not
> >stopped 'on suspicion') for a specific crime under the PTA should
> >*not* be admissable as evidence.
> 
> Why not?

Because the alternative system is wide open for abuse.  The Police stop you
on some pretext, and then find something you're doing that's illegal. 
License to hassle innocent bystanders.

Oddly enough, I believe statistics suggest that people with dark coloured
skin are much more likely to get arrested for crimes after being stopped for
some unrelated reason.  I wonder why that could be?


mathew
-- 
Lung cancer and arteriosclerosis.
For people who like to smoke.
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:50:26 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <11340@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk (Simon B Proven IE91) writes:
> I'm quite happy to pay the tolls passed on for consumer goods, just not
> taxes which pay for the private cars...

Do you have a car? If so and you drive it, you pay road tax. If not then
you don't pay road tax. So if you pay the tax then you can use a car, if you
don't pay the tax what is the problem?
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
From: joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey)
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Organization: Independent Network (UK)
Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:21:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.091125.15362@memex.co.uk> peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve) writes:
>In article <Bz4Grp.7q@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk>
>joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey) writes:
>>
>>I still use 1/4" tape - if it was good enough for the record company master,
>>it's god enough for me.
>
>Ah, but do you run it at 15 ips on a Studer B66 (I'm showing my age here)
>with Dolby A equipment? Anything less was not good enough where I was.

Wasn't that a valve job?

1/2 track only. 7.5 & 15 on B77 and A700. Another B77 at 3.74 & 7.5

>		Peter Ilieve		peter@memex.co.uk

joe.
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From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Mailing lists from hell
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:31:47 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <29507@castle.ed.ac.uk> benha@castle.ed.ac.uk (Ben Hambidge) writes:
> Well, no, not very helpful, but I think I'm right in saying these
> companies are breaking the law. A stern official letter mentioning the

You're wrong.  The Mail Preference thingie has no legal status.

ian
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: CD Technology [Was Re: Record shops (LPs)]
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:29:34 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <BzD1wC.xq@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.150558.2841@lsl.co.uk> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>> Phrase 1) Multi bit sampling CD player
> 
> The only technique up until a few years ago.  The classic chipset is the
> Phillips 16x4 stuff, which is still excellent.
> 
> The samples on the disk are 16 bit resolution, with a 44.1KHz sampling
> rate.

OK, it seems my earlier post today saying 12 bits is incorrect, although I was
sure it was. It also seems from various posts that the data is linear. Why the
hell didn't they use logarithmic A/Ds and D/As? That'd improve low level signal
quantisation error enormously. Of course this would mean you'd need a separate
mechanism for digital data (or would you?).

As for the technical oversampling explanation, ta, neat.

>> Phrase 2) 1-bit sampling CD player

This also sounds neat (sorry thats a terrible pun).

Didn't I have a phrase 3? I can't remember. 
Oh well having read the technical stuff Ian posted (which I've deleted) I'll
change my mind and say it's not marketing bullshit. However it has been used by
those boys and girls in the M-department.
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey)
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Organization: Independent Network (UK)
Distribution: uk
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:00:21 GMT

In article <6q3TVB17w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey) writes:
>> Don't be silly, the industry works on profit margins, not what the customer
>> wants.  (See: "LP vs cassette, quality")
>
>The profit on selling 100 LPs is larger than the profit on selling 10 CDs. 
>If the customers really wanted LPs, there's no way the industry would be able
>to railroad them into buying CDs.

Pardon?  (Did I get it wrong?)

I expect the profit on selling *10* CDs roughly equals that on *100* LPs.
When did you last see a magazine gie away an LP?

>> >real advantages over CD, except that very high quality equipment to play the
>> >can be made more cheaply than an equivalently high quality CD player.
>> Linn-Sondek + SME + cartridge: best part of a grand - and this would be
>> (just about) mainstream.
>> "Decent" CD players are 150-200 pounds....
>Since when?  I can hear the difference between a #400 CD player and a #300 CD
>player, and it ain't subtle.  This indicates to me that a #400 CD player is
>not near the top as far as quality is concerned.

(sigh...) Golden ears vs manufacturing.

This has been debated in double-blind tests for 20 years and more:

 -- The basic chipsets are the same
 -- There are a limited number of D/A methods and chips.
 -- "I don't care much distortion *you* find - it *sounds* better..."

One could pobably pay as much as 5000 for a CD player and "all the bits".
About 25-50,000 pounds for a mere "record player".

Which would sound better?

As far as the ``average'' user sees - perfection is perfection. CD or LP
or DCC or ...

>mathew

joe.
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From: simon@cs.city.ac.uk (Simon Brock-Gunn)
Subject: Mailing lists from hell
Organization: City University, London
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:18:47 GMT

After my father died at the start of last year, various companies (mainly
in the computing sector) carried on sending junk mail addressed to him.
After a while, my mother became so annoyed with these that she got me to
register his name with the Mailing Preference Service and to write to all
the companies that had sent mail and ask them to stop.  A few months
later, I again wrote to those companies that had continued, and followed
this up with a third letter about six months ago to those that *still*
sent stuff.

However, it seems there is a hard-core of companies that just don't want
to listen.  My mother has now taken to calling the 0800 numbers on most of
the literature that arrives in the hope that this will make a difference.
However, for one of the companies - Olivetti - this has had the reverse
effect:  After calling their 0800 number recently, an item of junk mail
arrived last Friday with the following address label on the front:

MRS BROCK-GUNN
WIDOW - SEE COMMENTS
(rest of address)

Anyone got any suggestions?

==============================================================================
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|| simon@cs.city.ac.uk | City University, Nort- | - where would you put it? ||
|| Tel +44 71 477 8000 | hampton Square, London |---------------------------||
|| Fax +44 71 477 8587 | EC1V 0HB, England, UK. |   (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)   ||
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:30:30 GMT

In article <scsXVB33w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>No, I'm just pointing out that car owners are knowingly and willingly
>doing something incredibly dangerous -- that is, driving a car [...]

	Come off it, Mathew;  it's less dangerous than crossing the road.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu (Graham Allan)
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: uk
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:00:11 GMT

In article <29426@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>London Records Trail
>=====================
>Start at Kings Cross
>--------------------
>Metropolitan Line West to Ladbroke Grove
>----------------------------------------
> [shops deleted to try and trim quoting...]
>  => Notting Hill Gate
>
>District Line South to Kensington High Street
>---------------------------------------------
> [shops deleted]
>  => Kensington High Street
>
>District Line South to Wimbledon
>--------------------------------
> [shops deleted]
>  => South Wimbledon
>
>Northern Line NorthEast to Balham
>---------------------------------
> [shops deleted]
>  => Balham
>
>Northern Line NorthEast to Clapham Common
>-----------------------------------------
>  Zippo Music, 39 Clapham Common
>  => Clapham Common
>
>Northern Line Northeast to Angel
>--------------------------------
>  Our Price in Upper Street
>  Reckless Records, 79 Upper Street
>  => Angel
>
>Northern Line NorthWest to Camden Town
>--------------------------------------
> [shops deleted]
>  => Camden Town Tube
>
>Northern Line South to Leicester Square  
>---------------------------------------
> [shops deleted]
>  => Marble Arch
>
>Central Line East to Oxford Circus 
>Change for Bakerloo Line South for Picadilly Circus
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>  => Picadilly Circus to finish.

Shouldn't that be Mornington Crescent to finish?

Graham						allan@mnhep8.hep.umn.edu
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: rcabrera@netcom.com (Raphael Cabrera)
Subject: Re: opticians
Summary: contact lenses
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:08:01 GMT

Here is a related question:
Do people in England wear disposable contact lenses? Or, are 
extented contact lenses available only?  Does the AEOSP
method have any relevance in the UK?

thanks.
From: EE117@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Yorkshire NOT
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:34:19 GMT
 <1g09htINN71n@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
 <1992Dec7.235417.26120@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
 <1g1rvcINN2a8@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
 <1992Dec8.144551.27542@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <29327@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Liverpool

Ah yes Lincoln "they [used] to have racing there" infact they still do
but only for point-to-point meetings four times a year and people get
confused because the Lincoln Handicap [?] is actually run at Doncaster (South
Yorkshire). I know this because last week I was in Lincoln and everytime I
mentioned the racing I got a three hour discourse of which the above is but a
brief resume.
While I *know* where Lincoln is (in Lincolnshire), British Snail seemed a bit
stumped - 4 hours to get there and 6 hours to get back via (get this):
Nottingham (Notts), Derby (Derbys), Stafford, Stoke (Staffs), Crewe (Cheshire),
Liverpool ; perhaps the driver was holding the map upside down or something.
Mind'you finding Lincoln was nothing compared to finding my way around
Birchwood after several pints of John Smith's [Yorkshire] bitter - it's
worse than Milton Keynes. BTW if anyone out there knows Birchwood can they
fill me in on the "Wildlife" gossip (always a rich vein). Anyway back to the
code...

see ya duck,
          -Ian.

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From: sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk (Simon B Proven IE91)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:09:37 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <20719@acorn.co.uk> steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) writes:
>Yes, but plenty of accidents involving cycles and cars are
>partly/completely the fault of the cyclist.  Who pays for the
>cyclist's medical treatment/funeral?  Ditto peds and cars.  Hence I
>think rather more than your #1 levy on bikes is needed if we want to
>make the responsible party foot the bill.  (Not that I really think
>that's practicable, or even desirable).

Well, cyclists are quite able to take out life/accident insurance, so
that they pay for the risks through their premium, as I do...

>Putting your safety in the hands of someone else is bad enough when
>you can't avoid it, but when all it takes is a look over the
>shoulder..!  Who is responsible when a hapless cyclist doesn't look
>and a dozy driver does not predict what is about to happen?  Well,
>both of them I suppose.

Many car drivers also have very poor judgement of speed - they make
the ridiculous assumption that bikes do 10mph.  Bikes are "slow", so
there MUST be time to get past that cyclist before the lights change
and make that left turn... yeah RIGHT... SPLAT!

Luckily, both times that happened recently, I was quick enough with
the anchors to save myself...  next time, who knows, I might be
looking over my shoulder and not see the problem... :-)

>I have a wide-angle mirror on my cycle which makes life so much easier
>(and safer).

When I was at school, the police advised us NOT to get a mirror because
we might get impaled on it in an accident... (happended to one of the
kids from our school as it happens...).

>-- Steve
-- 
* Simon Proven -  Secretary, University of Strathclyde Green Group *
* sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk             REAL (tm) peeps ride bike :) *
From: bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:00:13 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>
>The profit on selling 100 LPs is larger than the profit on selling 10 CDs. 
>If the customers really wanted LPs, there's no way the industry would be able
>to railroad them into buying CDs.

this assumes that the desires of the customer are independant from the
industry.

this is not true, in a BIG way.

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From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:24:27 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: British Telecom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:

: Oh, do be serious.  If people wanted to buy records, the manufacturers would
: make them.  

If you really believe this, then I have a bridge that you might like to buy.

The reason that vinyl has virtually disappeared is that the manufacturers
could
(1) Charge significantly more money to sell something that costs
significantly less to produce
(2) Make vast additional sums of money by re-releasing the entire 
back-catalogue (which has already paid for itself) at further exhorbitant
price
(3) Use the excessive price of CD to drive up the costs (to the record-buying
public) of the remaining media (compact cassettes).

mathew is right about one thing: the recording industry exists to make
money. 

And guess what? It's about to happen all over again with DCC!
-- 
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Pete Young        	  pky@fmg.bt.co.uk        Phone +44 473 227151
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:49:15 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland) writes:
> In the referenced article, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> >Face it -- nobody sells LPs because nobody buys them.
> 
> How do you buy something when you walk into a shop and theres its not
> in there?

You go to a different shop.  Or are the shops all members of the vast CD
conspiracy?


mathew

Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey)
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Organization: Independent Network (UK)
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:38:26 GMT

In article <iqqXVB27w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey) writes:
>> I expect the profit on selling *10* CDs roughly equals that on *100* LPs.
>> When did you last see a magazine give away an LP?
>
>The cost of making a CD is 45p.

So on the "computer industry" mark-up, they should sell for 4.50.

>                                 What's the cost of making an LP?  The
>total profit on a CD is about two quid, of which about 70p goes to the
>artist.  Or so George Michael says.

Maybe for Michael Jackson/Madonna, but surely not for George Michael?

>                                     That's pure profit, once all
>costs are taken into account.  I assume that everything apart from raw
>manufacturing cost will be much the same for CD and LP.

You're being silly again: LP's are a) big b) heavy.

Thus: materials cost more, production costs more, transport costs more,
storage costs more.  Also, duplication (LP/tape/CD/DCC/etc) pushes up the
unit costs - hence the view that "LP's must die". (Cassette too!)

>> (sigh...) Golden ears vs manufacturing.
>> This has been debated in double-blind tests for 20 years and more:
>>  -- "I don't care much distortion *you* find - it *sounds* better..."
>
>I don't know quite what you're suggesting here.  I went to a hi-fi
>dealer, suggested a price range, and he let me listen to a few CDs on
>each of a number of CD players in that price range.

Headphones, or same equpment as yours in a room with same size and
furnishing?  (Or, how many pairs of speakers in *your* lounge?)

>                                                     I picked the one
>I thought sounded best, *then* he told me the prices.

That over the last 20 years, no *single* ``golden ear'' has done anything
to the Hi-Fi debate, except add noise. Not one - period.

You are a single data point, thus of no interest. (Although *your own*
experience is valid for what it is - a *personal view*.

>mathew

joe.
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From: cs89rdb@brunel.ac.uk (Roger D Binns)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Madonna Book
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:26:14 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Simon Oke (okes@essex.ac.uk) wrote:
: Someone has already posted a couple of the pictures to
: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.

A ha - you subversive.  Officer arrest this man for looking at things that
could corrupt him, and for transferring indecency over the great
telecommunications network of British Telecom.  This would never have
happened when I was young.

ps; ;-0

Roger
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From: bmcgeene@gssec.bt.co.uk (Brian McGeeney)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:03:19 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: BT

In article <ag4TVB19w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

|> 
|> I bought an album on CD for #10.99.  Previously, I had bought it on tape for
|> #5.99, worn the tape out through repeated listening, bought it on LP for
|> #6.99, and worn the LP out through repeated listening.  Which was cheaper,
|> the LP and tape or the CD?

I think everyone agrees cassettes are crap, but convenient for walkmans
and cars. Even then, an LP or CD recorded onto blank cassette on a decent
hifi will probably be of better sound quality than a pre-recorded cassette.

An LP is cheaper than a CD. A record deck costing X pounds is of better
quality than a CD player costing X pounds. 

The question of value is thus how long each format will last.
This is where CD's tend to score - you can play them on any crap
system and they won't wear out. The same can't be said for LP's.

If however, the LP's played on a decent system with a decent cartridge
it's gonna last a helluva lot longer. 

The LP v CD argument is thus largely dependent on the quality (ie cost)
of the hardware, and on the care you take of your LP's or CD's.

On a related point:
Does anyone know how long CD's last before the surface starts to oxidise
and they become unplayable?

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From: s_curtis@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Steve Curtis)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Milton Keynes - was Re: NORTHAMPTON POLY
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:45:21 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <1992Dec9.091418.13118@edscom.demon.co.uk> ian@edscom.demon.co.uk (Ian Green) writes:
>Bernie Jones (bemj1@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
>: I was always an anti-MK person, due to media hype, but the other day I
>: actually had to go there, and was really pleasantly surprised.......

>[rest deleted]

>Good!!!  I wouldn't have minded if you had still hated the place after having
>been here - provided you experienced the place *before* passing comment.
>After living here a while you tend to get quite defensive about the place -
>especially when people who have never been here slag it off.  I'd be the 
>first to admit that it's far from perfect but at least know what you're flaming 
>before applying the match.

I agree, I live in Northampton up the road, and much prefer Milton Keynes !
People always say 'MK - horrible place' you say "but have you ever been there?'
'No' they reply, 'heard it was horrible though !' - Whats the point ?

BTW - what was the discussion on Northampton Poly, I've only just subscribed
to this group - forgive me. Is Nene college turning into a poly ? 

Also, does anyone know if MK poly has a JANET connection ?

Steve.
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