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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: The Counselor in Uniform
Organization: DSC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:55:04 GMT

In article <106065@bu.edu>, mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
> 
> I do not think that the counselor likes to wear her uniform more often,
> because, as a counselor, she must make most of the crew feel comfortable.
> She wants them to feel like they are talking to a friend, and not just 
> another counselor.  I don't know about you, but I would feel much more 
> comfortable talking to a friend in ordinary clothing, rather than a 
> friend in a uniform

I don't know about most folks, but I would be MUCH more comfortable talking
about my problems with someone in a uniform than with someone who's breasts
were hanging out for all the world to see...


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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:13:39 EST

In article <1ihrv6INNrmp@shelley.u.washington.edu>
gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek) writes:
 
>
>In article <79387@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>>In article <1ihmedINNkvp@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>>	Besides, if it was selfish, it's a character flaw....which makes
>>>her an IMPERFECT character. Thought we wanted that....
>>I don't mind greedy, like Quark.
>>I don't mind immature, like then new doctor.
>>I don't mind selfish, even, if it's not going to put the entire space station
>>   at risk.
>>But this?  Keep that up, Kira dear, and the show won't last to the end of
>>January.  She'll get them all killed.
>>Even Kirk had a back door.  What would have happened if the wormhole hadn't
>>opened up at that moment?  The station and everyone in it would have been
>>destroyed.  And for what?  Nothing except the need for revenge of one woman.
>
>	I see that as a PRINCIPLED woman. As in, give me freedom or give me
>death. As in, if you don't make the threat, you get trashed anyway with the
>real possibility of the Cardassians going on to the planet and reinvading.
>--
 
   Wasn't Kyra about to surrender?
 
   The relevant calculation here should be: How many deaths and damage
would Cardassians cause if they reoccupied DS9, and how many deaths and
damage will Cardassians cause if DS9 held out until the Enterprise reached
them.  It seemed Kyra was hoping (a good gambit) that with the sensor tricks
O'Brien had rigged up, AND with the Cardassians not knowing exactly how long
it would take for the Enterprise to arrive, that there was a good chance
they would be in stalemate, with only a minor exchange of fire between
both sides.
 
     Junsok Yang
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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:46:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.005754.578@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes

>Has anyone else noticed that there is one big plot complication already
>woven into Deep Space Nine that could cause big problems in future?
>
>Jadzia Dax is a Trill, right?
>Trill's cannot be transported, without killing the worm.
>
>So, forget that plot device whenever Dax gets in trouble.  :)
>

I'm not so sure that this is correct.  If you remember, in the TNG episode
with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he was
hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to the 
worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are in 
good health.

Sanjai Rao.



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From: greer@euphoria.xis.xerox.com (Greer Tan Swiston)
Subject: Re: mumblings on DS9 pilot
Organization: Xerox Imaging Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:35:18 GMT

In article <104035@netnews.upenn.edu> chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:

>This question was answered in the press release for DS9.
>Apparently that is as close to human as he is able to 
>make himself look.  The press release said he can make
>himself look like any inanimate object but has great
>difficulty making himself look like living things.
>
>Otherwise he wouldn't have to make himself into a bag
>for the Cardassians to carry onto their ship; he could 
>have made himself into a Cardassian and just walked onto
>the ship.
>

But he did a pretty good job of being a rat.  How'd he do that?


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From: plant@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Emissary *** SPOILERS ***
Reply-To: plant@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:53:20 GMT



SPOILER RESPONSE -- Uninitiated DSNiners (not football fans)



GO



      AWAY


             
                OR



                            BE



                                     INITIATED!!























In article <1993Jan6.154331.12899@neb>, prp@neb (Paul Peterson) writes:
> [many deletions for space]
>3)  How do the producers decide the order of billing on the credits?
>...
>I would have expected Major Kira to get second billing ...

After the listing of Avery Brooks, obviously the "star" of the show,
the rest of the major cast is . . . alphabetical!

Agreed, tho, that Ms. Visitor made a great impression!  In our group
discussion of the show, argument raged over Sisko's perceived
"weakness" -- e.g., he cried andf carried on emotionally -- versus
the strong character of the Bajoran.  My hope is they provide
Brooks with opportunities to demonstrate commander traits (but I like
that he's sensitive), as when he faces Ms. Visitor, she says, "I suppose
you're here to take over this office!" (after cleaning it up) and he
smiles and replies, "Actually, I'm here to meet you (or say hello,
something like that), THEN I'll take over this office."  

 ... and ...

>4)  Dr. Bashir acts like God's gift to the primitive savages bringing his
>superior knowledge to this remote uncivilized outpost.

Yeah, but don't all new doctors act like that?  He did seem to need
work.

One thought: I really liked the show, even with a few weak points in the
script, but I'm concerned the writers (who seem to be doing both shows)
might burn out.  Is this a general concern?

Greg Plant
From: bn860@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Maria-Zita C. Evensen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: deep space nine
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:27:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn860@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Maria-Zita C. Evensen)
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Though I haven't posted in this sig, I have always followed the
StarTrek metamorphoses. To me, DS9 was a let down. No big surprises.
Pretty much cook book. The wormhole sequences could be something
Q could "arrange" anytime.

It was a collage from an unworkable jigsaw puzzle.

Expected more creative ideas and innovative milieu.

z.



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From: warren@apple.com (Chris Warren)
Subject: Re: Why a commander instead of captain
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Taligent.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:23:06 GMT

In article <kchu.726220272@unixg.ubc.ca>, kchu@unixg.ubc.ca (Kwan Chu Chu)
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I just wonder why Star Fleet will send a commander to an outpost which 
> is so close to the neutral zone between the Fed. and the Cadassian (sp).
> F really considers DPN as an important outpost, I guess at least a
> captain rank officer, or at least somebody has experience with the Cad. 
> should be sent. I don't mean Sisko is not qualified, it just sounds 
> strange to me to have Commander with so much anger, so little enthusiasm
> to command a so remote and yet important outpost.

This is somewhat a spoiler so be warned...



















Remember that this outpost started out as a abandoned space station
left behind by the Cardassians when they withdrew from Bajor.  At
that point I suspect that the job of the commander was to simply bring it
up to a functioning level.  It seems that it had little strategic
importance
to the defense of Bajor or they Feds would have armed it to the teeth
instead of leaving it defenseless.  Once the stable wormhole appeared
and DS9 moved to its mouth, the spacestation took on a much greater
importance.  At this point I guess Picard saw that Sisko was up
the level of responsibility, he had organized his team and the team
managed its first crisis pretty well.

Cheers
--Chris
From: starride@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (David Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TROI GIF
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:41:44 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess)  writes:

>Recently, I posted a message saying that I had a GIF of what appeared to
>be Marina Sirtis, topless. Well, I do, and will be sending it out across
>this newsgroup probably within the next couple of days, uuencoded. For
>those that might be interested, the GIF itself is technically in 8-bit
>colour, the only thing is that the portion of the GIF that contains the
>number for the BBS that originally posted (produced?) the GIF is in
>8-bit colour, whereas the actual picture of Sirts is in black&white.
>Watch out for it in the next couple of days, as I have received several
>requests for the GIF, and have decided that if there are no objections
>to be sending out a picture of a topless woman across this newsgroup, I
>will, as it will be easier for me to send it out here than to send it
>out for each individual request.

>Thanks to the people that e-mailed me showing interest in the file.

>Chris Burgess
>chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>

	Great please do post it. But it would be better if you posted it to 

alt.binaries.erotica      or  alt.binaries.pictures

as these two groups are just for that, pictures.  And now before anyone
complains that hey I would not get to see the picture because we are not
allowed access to that group. Tough, not (its a joke you see a joke).
You just need ask some one who regularly reads this group and the other
groups to grab it for you and send it to you.  


	Just my thoughts.


			David Chase
From: stdnt171@whscdp.whs.edu (-=THE JESSTER=-)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DAX in Starfleet?!?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:15:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

In article <1993Jan12.113024.1@pearl.tufts.edu>, rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu writes:
> 
> As to "transporter class," there's no mention of such a thing in any Trek
> episode of which I'm aware, except for an engineering theory course mentioned
> in "Realm of Fear."  What's more, Barclay explicitly stated in "Realm of Fear"
> that he'd never been through a transporter before, so presumably there's no
> Starfleet regulation that cadets or officers have to be transported on any
> occasion.
> 

I'm surprised they don't just program the transporter bio-filters (I think
that's what their called) to recognize Dax as two beings and transport her/it
that way.  Of all the weird stuff they've done on Trek this doesn't sound too
far fetched.

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: PERFORMANCE PROGNOSIS: DSN - EMISSARY
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:59:26 GMT

In <1ibhcsINN7iu@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>OVERALL GRADE: 		2.0 (of a possible 4.0)

Well what do you know?  I marked it down a tad for being basically the same
old TNG runaround pretending to be something new, but otherwise we agree.

>	So, bottom line, mediocre beginning...but some potential for good
>characters, more so than the TNG crew....

Almost ANY series would have more character potential than the TNG crew!  Even
Space Rangers (gag).

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"My favorite Star Trek With Jean-Luc episode is the one where some alien
 kills another in the first five minutes and then the crew debates for the
 next 55 minutes about what to do.  My favorite Star Trek With Captain Kirk
 is the same as anyone else's, the one where Kirk, overacting, falls in
 love with a beautiful alien babe, which Spock calls illogical, and where a
 bunch of security guys die.  You know the one?"
							- A friend
From: 2186filterj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:47:05 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <C04roL.92E@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.150250.8316@midway.uchicago.edu> lidz@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>If you look CAREFULLY at the Wolf-359 wrekage there is ONE galaxy-class hull.
>
>And to further canonnize it, watch closely in the teaser of the Deep Space
>Nine premier.  One of the ships attacking the Borg (with Locutus in command)
>is a Galaxy class starship.
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|  Brad Barton - brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org  |  "Light the lamp, not the rat!"  |
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
While I find it quite possible that a Galaxy could have been at Wolf 359
(Although...since the Enterprize was theoretically in range, it would be quite
foreign to the writers to have two Galaxy classes within 10 days of each
other :) I remember at least one one other episode (sorry I can't think of the
name) when an Ambassor class ship or a modified ambassador was next to the
Enterprize.  It was pretty close to a spitting image except only about 3/4 as
big.  Wasn't the Enterprize-C an ambassador Class? 

Then again, maybe they just needed to get an extra model in the battle.  In
that case, the Yomato has a sister ship in the heavenly fleet with her.

-Jon
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Michael Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Best line for DS9: The Emissary --and other comments
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:59:04 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <16B4D143ED.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

spoilers ahead,



| best line:
|   Chief O'Brien: "You never served with Bajoran woman before, have you,
|sir?"

Seriously, I think the best dramatic line was, Commander Sisko: "It is not linear"

It takes a great deal of skill to bring that line to such a dramatic
climax as Brooks did. He was refering to the fact that although  most
people think time is linear, ( so much of the show was devoted
to showing how a real person could theoretically communicate this idea
to someone who is not in linear time) in the end Sisko's triumph was
realizing that humans were more complex than this. Such a great
realization required nothing but science fiction to create, and
required a great actor to bring off an otherwise trite line. 

This show could be much better than the plastic soap opera we call
TNG.
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9:Emissary inconsitencies
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:04:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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** SPOILERS AHEAD **



In article <1iftfpINNenc@willow-farm.cit.cornell.edu> mss1@cornell.edu (Michael Scott Shappe) writes:
>In article <C0E1E1.HHs.1@cs.cmu.edu> Matthew Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
>writes:
>>Question:  O'Brien indicates that DS9 has no shields.  Later, we
>>hear that shields are failing.  What gives?  Did O'Brien rig something
>>up in five minutes?
>
>O'Brien was...exaggerating. Remember that they used the deflector grid
>for their little subspace-field-changing-the-gravitational-constant-of-
>the-universe trick to move the station. So they've got one...but it's not
>in good shape...

I didn't see it that way.

First of all, deflectors are *not* the same thing as shields, although
they're closely related.

What I think is that Miles simply hadn't *found* everything yet.  He had
only been on the station for a short time (hours? days?).  The equipment
was Cardassian built and much of it had been trashed during the Cardassian
"farewell party".  He probably had to throw together a quick patch or
two after Kira or someone pointed out the shield controls to him (which
were probably nearby but not quite where Miles expected to find them).




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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Upcoming ST:TNG Program Guide 6.02 release
Date: 4 Jan 93 07:34:07 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


Even though the 6.01 version of the guide will be ready at the ftp site in the
near future, this posting is to inform you of the upcoming 6.02 release.

I realise that it is shortly after the 6.01 release, but there were lots of
changes to 6.01, and very few to 6.02.  It also gets me back on schedule.

The main reason for this posting is to try and save a little paper.  If
possible, only print pages 1 and 2 from sttng-B.ps and none of sttng-Z.ps.
When you get the 6.02 update, print all of the sttng-B.ps update and all
of sttng-Z.ps.  If you will be printing the complete guide from scratch,
don't print any of sttng-B.ps and sttng-Z.ps.  Get the complete sttng-B.ps
and sttng-Z.ps from the 6.02 release and print them.

As a side note, it has come to my attention that not all printers of the A4
version of the guide want, or need, Old English spellings of words.  Because
of that, the guide has been modified.  The the groff source file, README,
for details.  Also, the ftp A4 version will not have Old English spellings.
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From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Subject: Re: Is there a boot "Hotel Royal"?
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:27:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.132436.1461@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>
>"Hotel Royale" was an episode I saw a couple of times. I remember one scene
>where Picard was talking with someone (Data?) about the book and mentioned the
>copyright date as being 199-something, 1993 I think.  Since this episode is
>about three or four years old now, I think it's safe to say there is no such
>book.

Doesn't thins just mean that someone here needs to write it, send it to paramount?  I'm sure they'd publish it.  (But it would PROBABLY become a best seller. . .)
hehhe.
From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 Theme reminds me of...
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:19:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


It is just me, or does the DS9 theme remind anyone else of
"Fanfare for the Common Man"?  I guess it's kinda appropriate...

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: lawson%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com (Jim Lawson)
Subject: Re: Relics Edited on repeat, local or national?!
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 14:36:59 GMT
Organization: MDSSC-SSD
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Reply-To: Lawson%ssdvx1.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I know that the weekly reruns we get here in Los Angeles are cut, I didn't
notice the cut while watching the Relics rerun. I didn't tape it so I can't
check though.

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