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From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:16:30 GMT

In article <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
>
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:48:02 EDT
>Subject:ufo chain letter
>Status: RO
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>ATTENTION: CIVIL WAR IS ABOUT TO BE INCITED IN THE UNITED STATES! YOU AND
>           YOUR LOVED ONES ARE IN ACUTE DANGER! RACE RIOTS AND SLAUGHTER
>           OF AMERICANS WILL BE THE FIRST SIGN!
[stuff deleted]
>
>	In August Stage 2, code-named "Operation Hot August Nights" will take
>effect. Special agents of the conspiracy, masquerading as police, will open fire
>on minorities, namely Black Americans and Hipanics and Orientals.  Other agents 
>will set off incendiary bombs as they did recently in the Los Angeles riots,
>which was essentially was a "test case" that surpassed the expectations of the
>conspirators.  These special agents, masquerading as police, massacre will 
>massacre Blacks and other minorities and fire at the real policement.  This
>brings in more police and the riots escalate. "Skin heads" and other gangs, 
>already fully armed, join the fray.  The real police, vastly outnumbered, can-
>not handle the rioting.  The National Guard is called in and fired upon by these
>special agents who are also masquerading as gang members, who will enlist other
>gangs aid to fight the police and national guardsmen.  These riots continue with
>many minority American slaughtered in major cities.

    I note that the 'conspirators' are running out of time to begin
    in August.  Don't you just hate it when conspiracies don't begin 
    on time?

                            dale bass
-- 
C. R. Bass                                           crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia                            (804) 924-7926
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From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones)
Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadi
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:45:28 GMT

Don, I'd just like to know where you get this information about DNA.  And
why do you believe it?

I don't mean this as a flame - I'd just like to understand where you're
coming from.

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:22:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep4.023050.20916@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) writes:
>>Oh hell.  Seems like every day we get more dimwitted yokels who discover
>>Usenet.  And this 'un is from an institute of higher learning, no less!
>>
>>Perhaps it's time admission requirements were rechecked, and the ability to
>>form and hold a coherent thought became manditory...
>
>If you think Gary Stollman is insane obviously you didn't watch the
>Republican convention and don't read talk.origins :-)

I didn't watch the convention (didn't want to be exposed to the subliminal 
propaganda) but a gay friend whom follows the AIDS issues told me that
many conventioners (REPUBs) were overheard off camera chanting "AIDS is the
Cure" which is pretty scarry if you think the virus was genetically engineered.

Jeff-
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From: johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin)
Subject: Re: Loose Lips
Keywords: n
Organization: Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 21:44:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com>, mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:

>So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground
>pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw 
>something extraterrestrial?  If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the
>highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who
>sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of
>all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise.  That
>action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think.


I don't think it is necessary to even tell low-level personal to keep quiet.
As long as the brass agree to deny everything, and publicly ridicule, or
question the sanity of low-level people who do speak up, I'd bet that you'd
have a deafening silence among them.

Think of the commercial pilots who do not publicly acknowledge that they
have seen a UFO, for fear of being though mentally unsound and losing their
pilot's license.

Sometimes, overt suppression is not even remotely necessary, or the most
effective way to maintain silence...


-- 
John Martin                                        johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu
Institute of Neuroscience,   University of Oregon,    Eugene, OR,    97402
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Aliens that smoke???
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:22:22 GMT

In article <25166@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
> 
> Yes, cigarettes do not burn in zero gravity. 

That's a GOOD one, Mr. Holmes!  :-)

I can believe that a cigarette cannot be lighted in a vacuum (no oxygen to
make it burn), but what will prevent it from burning in zero-G if it has a
suitable atmosphere?

BTW, it's not tobacco the aliens are addicted to.  I'ts POT.  :-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: frisinv@alleg.edu
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:08:08 GMT


> Moral: Don't fuck with scientists working for the military-industrial
>        complex, even if you're the president. They know what's best for  
us.
> 
   Actually, you shouldn't fuck with them because they make all the BIG  
toys they millitary only has wet-dreams about.
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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 18:23:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman

john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:

>In article <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
>> In another of the hospitalizations, this one in the Tallahassee
>> Psychiatric Hospital, I discovered something about the power of the forces
>> against us and it's nature.  I was coming out of the Day Room, [...]

>So, Gary, what's the story?  Are you testing fiction on us, trying to make
>us believe in something, or are these everyday things that happen to you?
>The only thing that your writing has meant to me so far, and I have read
>several dozen of your posts, is that a lot of really strange things happen
>to you that don't happen to me or any of my friends.  What's going on?

>-john-

>-- 
>==============================================================================
>John A. Weeks III		(612) 942-6969		    john@newave.mn.org
>Newave Communications, Ltd.			    ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john
*****

What is going on is that the government is being run by forces from
without, and they have in their possesion the ability to create clones of
human beings somehow.  This is connected with religion in some way also,
but when it all started happening to me in 1981, I didn't know NOTHING
about clones or the like.  I only knew that the CIA or the evil people who
have been following me around the country for years were trying to destroy
my life!


-- 
Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
-----------------------------------------------------------------
          The world is your playground.  Keep it clean! 
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From: rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski)
Subject: Re: Latest NAICCR info on crop circles
Keywords: north america, crop circles, NAICCR
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:02:51 GMT

In <3Tc0PB4w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn) writes:
>> >>920815    Strathclair, Manitoba
>> >>-  a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars was
>> >>discovered west of Strathclair.  The main circel was 24 feet in
>> >>diameter.  The wheat was flattened in a counterclockwise fashion.  The
>> >>arrow pointed on a bearing of 120 degrees.
>> >>Source:  NAICCR
> 
>Are we saying that other beings know what "our" symbol for Mars is??

Hunh?
 
>Has anyone took these crop circles to someone who knows "hyrogliphics" 
>(spelling I know) ??? You would think that one of these guys could
>convert them or tell us what they mean.

Yes.  Steve Canada has written about ten articles about interpretations
of the crop heiroglyphics.  So has Eric Beckjord and a number of others.
Some experts think they're symbols in ancient Hebrew, Egyptian,
Sumerian aand Celtic.  Trouble is, who's right?
 
>Anyway, thanks for the report, and keep it up, it would be nice to get
>"GIF" files of these and others, and maybe some close up of the
>bending of the crops & stuff.

We don't have aerial shots of the Strathclair batch.  That's why most
of the GIFS available are of the British ones.
 
>You guys can also tell just about how long ago they were made by
>logging when the return to a normal condition. It should be about
>8 hours or so, and may depend on temp and humidity just a bit (you can
>log them too). Then you can tell just about the TIME when they were made
>and maybe you can see a particular time that these are created at night.

Uh - no.  Once the circles are made, they're made!  They do NOT spring
back up!  Nice idea, though.
 
-- 
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Royal Astronomical Society of Canada
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada
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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 02:34:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

Charles, your posts are enjoyable, and I liked what you had to say about 
Nixon, the CIA, and Watergate.

I read a bit about JFK assasination, and most of those authors all point
to Nixon suddenly giving up, and resigning, so they try to come up with
evedence to speculate as to why this occured. Usually, Watergate is
portrayed as just the tip of an giant iceburg. They speculate a lot,
but the point here is, it's a big iceburg. Lots we can't see going on.

And look at Woodward. He is a strange individule to be sure. I would
suspect there is lots we don't know about him and his ties to intelligence
as well.

Your solilique on the state of the planet and mankind seems naive as far
as I can tell.

Most contactees report just the opposite as far as what our advanced space brothers
think about the human culture. Even if you believe such sources to be too oulandish
to respect at all, the basic ideas still ring true:

!) We have a world economy based on war/arms/drugs/chemicals to a large degree
that are all tied together in seemingly inseparable relation ships. Until world
leaders can stop wars, I can't see how any advanced race is going to be very
impressed with us in the least. Even our space exploration is little more than
sending up people in fancy Chineese rockets (invented 1000 years ago) with radiosand a sack lunch.

2) We destroy our home planet with nuclear waste/testing, pollution beyond measure,
and over-fishing the oceans and over cutting of the forests and jungles.
Our president, in his infinite wisdom, proclaims we can not stop nuclear weapons
testing.

3) We have allowed major corporate entities to take over most of the true power
in this world thru relationships with oil/petrochemical operations, banking, 
, etc. that care only about profit, and have ethics that would
place secondary the well-being of most human beings on the planet.

4) All transportations systems currently in use, with few exceptions, have been
promoted by corporations that care little that they are inefficient, or pollute
the environment. This causes the poisoning of ourselves, our planet and our
oceans.

5) All the while, most of us have stood by and done little about these problems,
and united we could change most of t.
In fact, i would venture that they feel only that we have done very little spiritually,
to advance ourselves, we care only about material wealth, pleasure, and luxury,
and that we have not come close to integrating technology with spirituality,
which is the true challenge to an advancing culture. I doubt we have really
lived up to the potential that they would see so clearly of us. 

Jeff-


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From: clw@home.merit.edu (Chris Weider)
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter
Organization: Merit Network, Inc.  Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:43:09 GMT

In article <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
>I have received this in the physical mail. I understand others have
>received this too on both coastlines. If you have I am interested in
>hearing from you...this is a mosty strange occurrence.
>
>Len
>
>
>
>
>ATTENTION: CIVIL WAR IS ABOUT TO BE INCITED IN THE UNITED STATES! YOU AND
>           YOUR LOVED ONES ARE IN ACUTE DANGER! RACE RIOTS AND SLAUGHTER
>           OF AMERICANS WILL BE THE FIRST SIGN!
>
>THIS IS NO JOKE!  On July 4,1992, at a UFO convention in Arcadia, California,
>Mr. Michael Younger, a member of the super-secret COM-12 group and a scientist
>who worked at Groom Lake, Area 51 in Nevada, stunned the audience of over
>200 people with the following incredible information, which, if true, endangers
>the lives and freedoms of every American, and eventually the entire world.
>Here is the amazing scenario of the planned events:
>

This really is a classic example of an unfalsifiable claim... If it doesn't
happen (which it hasn't) (and it won't) the authors can claim that they
were responsible for averting the disaster, because they got the news
out in time. (Despite the fact that if something this heavy were *really*
going down, public exposure would only hasten the onset so that they could
achieve their plans with minimal force...)

What kind of world do these people live in, anyway?
Chris Weider

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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !!
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:47:31 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <la7baoINNnb9@male.EBay.Sun.COM> Beyond the pale writes:
>(stuff deleted...)  Laura Palmer really isn't dead but merely resting???  

HEY!  Leave Laura outta this!!  She'll show up when she's good and ready!

She has her reasons, by golly.  Bob is hanging around.

Rick
;-)

-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.  
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From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:23:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
> In another of the hospitalizations, this one in the Tallahassee
> Psychiatric Hospital, I discovered something about the power of the forces
> against us and it's nature.  I was coming out of the Day Room, [...]

So, Gary, what's the story?  Are you testing fiction on us, trying to make
us believe in something, or are these everyday things that happen to you?
The only thing that your writing has meant to me so far, and I have read
several dozen of your posts, is that a lot of really strange things happen
to you that don't happen to me or any of my friends.  What's going on?

-john-

-- 
==============================================================================
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Newave Communications, Ltd.			    ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john
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From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 16:34:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Siritual growth
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <Sep.2.09.35.46.1992.1396@dropout.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes...
> 
>	kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick) writes:
>	I think the point here was primarily suggesting the indians'
>	practices of going to a spiritual place to fast and await
>	visions.  Usually was for a 3-5 days.  I doubt they had pizza
>	delivery brought to them...
> 
>.... well, I was thinking more of medieval Christians (and sufis, and
>others) who went off for years (there's a case of one, whose name I
>cannot dredge up, who lived on top of a pillar).  As I recall, the
>visions of American Indians were often assisted by peote, were they
>not?
> 
>Charles
	
	Charles,
	  That must have been one melodorous pillar at the bottom. You
	are pretty much correct about the use of peyote then and now.
	Peyote is still used by members of the Native American Church
	which counts a few anglos amongst its' members.
							Jim

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   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
======================================================================
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:40:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Kennedy's lack of inside information during the Bay of Pigs
	invasion is just one good example to show how presidents are
	sometimes quite uninformed.

... I suggest you read a bit more on the BoP.  Kennedy was up to his
elbows in the operation.  He knew precisely what was happening.
That he went along with the wishful analysis of the prospects of
success is another matter.  

Charles

PS - Try "Bay of Pigs", by Haynes Johnson (W.W. Norton & Company, New
York, 1964.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST)
Subject: R.R.-Is he real???
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:33:23 GMT

I've allways wondered; Is Ronald Reagen an alien?

	G.H.	
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From: drwho@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:57:15 GMT

>
># Regrettably our files do not say for certain, but we have good reason to
>#believe that Pat Robertson is one of the Alien false prophets. Our analysis
>#of tapes from the Republican convention shows the presence of powerful
>#subliminal messages during Robertson's speech. We where unable to isolate
>#them electronically, however with great prodding we obtained the use of a
>#PET scan machine. The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was
>#setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of
>#Adolf Hitler and Stalin! 

Wow, technology gets better all the time.  You can tape a speech, and
then scan the minds of the audience *later* by using a PET machine on
the *tape*.

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)        # "You have not heard one negative comment
Disclaimer: "It's all absolutely    # from me about the other two people who
devastatingly true, except the bits # want my job.  And you *won't* hear any
that are lies."  --Douglas Adams    # until... um, the middle of August."
                                    #                 --George Bush, June 1992
From: Michael.Blackwell@f869.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Michael Blackwell)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the nature of realit
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:57:02 +1000

 -=> Quoting Leonard Spani to All <=-

 LS> I'm not saying that we should abandon all critical thought, just that
 LS> we  should take particular care when replying to people's *personal*
 LS> experiences. 
 |>              <stuff deleted>
 LS> debunking fodder. Alt.paranormal in particular was created for people
 LS> to discuss paranormal topics free from the bother of *having* to prove
 LS> the existance of what they wanted to talk about. I don't know why

What I've found interesting is that people have great difficulty in
believing a friend has been taken by the Aliens(tm), but believe that
the Aliens(tm) or something similar exist. So if they exist in their
frame-work why is it not possible that a friend or two has been taken?

Personally I find it interesting that people need a being or beings that
are more powerful than themselves to believe in. An almost antiscience
cult, as the Aliens(tm) are .....more in tune with nature and have a
science & technology much more advanced than ours. Funny how a lot of
these believers have trouble using a VCR or understanding even very
basic science or art. Was it Goethe who said "There is nothing more
frightning than ignorance in action."?

Michael
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:49:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) write:
	How would you have arranged it??  Hit him in the head with an
	errant golf ball??  Short out the Jacuzzi??  Poison his
	Chateua Briand?? ...


   Actually, no.  You're far better off waving around almost *any*
Watergate name in this regard than Liddy.  Liddy did actually do hard
time, with "general population" prisoners.  Mostly this is due to his
refusal to plead guilty, or give information.  (This is not to say I
admire Liddy, he's a pretty crazy guy.)  Ol' "Maximum John" Sirica
didn't much care for that.  None of the other Watergate figures did
worse the "country club time", true, but not Liddy -- that's why I
suggest you pick on somebody else (like Hunt.)


	They all (except I think for the one who refused to say
	anything even at his trial)

... that was Liddy.  Look, I don't ask that you change your basic
argument (necessarily), but you don't have be inaccurate in your
backing-up-facts.   Now, if we could just remember what we started out
discussing... :-)

Charles
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe?
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:36:58 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <25419@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>
>>The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was
>>setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of
>>Adolf Hitler and Stalin!
>
>Hmmmm, that's quite a surprise since it seems to induce very little
>brain activity in Mr. Robertson himself.

No brain==No brain activity :-)


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