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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Okay Dookies fill me in.
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:49:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.190523.26442@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu  
(Walt Maley) writes:

> From Iowa's standpoint, they had an off weekend and it was convenient to
> schedule Duke there.  Why Duke would want to do this is a question for
> Mac K or Orin (or, of course, Coach K).

> I suspect that they are not too worried about a possible loss at this
> point in the season since they will surely be a very high seed in the
> tourney.

I agree with Walt on this point, especially as Duke was a #2 or #3
seed my four undergrad years ('88-'91) with 6, 8, 6, and 6 pre-NCAA
losses.  A tough schedule will yield some losses, but also gain 
more respect from the NCAA.

Especially since Tom Butters is now the chair of the Men's Basketball
Committee :)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (BadSpeller!)
Subject: In defense of the GMW
Keywords: Dickie V. ,ESPN bias
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:08:38 GMT

This is in response to the thread of weither or not Cinn should be #6 or not,
and weither or not the Great midwest is 'overrated'. So here it goes:

As we all know last year the GMW was the fourth ranked confrence in the 
nation, sending 3 teams to the NCAA's and at least one (Did Marquette go 
to the NIT's?) to the NIT's (That one being UAB). But this year, at first
glance it looks like we only have one sure NCAA team in the confrence, being
UC. But at a closer look if anyone has seen Marquette play this year they
will agree with me that they could go very far with the team they have. 
I don't recall the names of all their players but I have seen them three
times now and I am certian that they will be playing late into March. 
Their front court gameis improving every week and their gaurds are 
exceptionally quick. 

Memphis State has been inconsistant since their second best player, David
Vaun (Spelling not right) Hurt a knee in the first game, but they have
shown flashes of greatness along with flashes of pure ineptitude, and if
Penny Hardaway is playing his best this team can beat any other team 
you might put on the floor.

St. Louis and DePaul both are young and will be awsome in a few years.
St. Louis (Don't Laugh at this right away keep it and laugh in 94) is 
very young and getting better all the time. They will be in the NCAA's
with in 3 years. DePaul is rebuilding and will be tough next year.

As for UAB we played Vanderbuilt close in Alaska, until our shoots stoped
falling and beat a very good Tulane team here.We cannot shoot straight 
but we could put a scare into anyone.

As for Weither or not the confrence is over rated, How can you say that
when we don't have a national TV contract. How many games have been on 
ESPN? This confrence is going to be a good one. With the addition of
Dayton next year and the Hopefull addition of Noter Dame once the 
contract with NBC is up, this will be one of the 4 or 5 best in the 
nation. The rercurting classes that have come in to this league
in the last year have been outstanding and with increased exposier
they will get better and better. The calaber of the teams we play 
outside of our confrence is already better then what the Big East plays.
And will continue to improve. You big ten people should get used
to us we are going to be here for a long time.

Three teams for the GMW will make the tourny again this year, Cinn, Memphis
and Marquette. At least two will be playing in the final 16. Bank on it.

 

-- 
Luke

	"I don't feel so good."	
				Last words of Luther Burbank
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:46:10 GMT

In article <57736@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>Running is the Bruins strength, the problem is it is Cals strength too, and
>they proved yesterday they do it better than we do. I suspect the next
>game(Feb. 20?) UCLA will zone Cal and make them hit jumpshots for at least
>part of the game.
>
>Just another example of how hoops is a game of matchups. Cal matches up
>with us really well, they do what we do, only better.
>

From a Cal fan's perspective, the game was a lot of fun but 
I don't think it means that much.  Cal was up for this one for
several reasons--they felt they had been robbed at USC, and were
playing with Haase after the death of his father.  The ball
was bouncing their way all day, and when Al Grigsby starts
drilling jumpers, you know they're in the zone.  As I've said
before, Cal plays the kind of game that makes them look awful
good when they're on a roll, and that's what happened Sunday.
It happened on the road, which is a step forward for the Bears;
we'll have to see if they can build on it.

Russ' point about matchups is well-taken, although I'd put it
this way:  both these teams want to do the same thing.  If you're
losing a game like that and you want to change it, you
have to go against your own strengths to try to gain 
an advantage.  If Cal dominates up here, then I'll buy the
"Cal does it better" thesis, but UCLA was so wildly out of
sync that I don't see it as representative of what they can
do.  If UCLA can pack in the zone and force Cal to miss from
the outside, as Russ suggests, they'll be able to run on the
Bears.  

Ken B.
From: crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:21:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

d.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>>
>>On a personal note, Gary, are you any relation to Lute?  
>
>What's going on here?  Coupla weeks ago somebody on the pro group
>calls Jim Oliver a Celtics fan; now this.
>
>At this rate, somebody will soon refer to Exby as ``the Hoosier fanatic.''
>
C'mon you guys--this is at least as good of fish food as what GT puts out.

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   There is no such thing as "rock bottom".
University of Washington      *   
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Advisor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cincinnati #6 ???  NOT!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:18:29 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
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They have beaten 2 Top 25 teams ON THE ROAD!
From: kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kelly Dougan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:17:19 GMT
Reply-To: kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kelly Dougan)
Organization: NCR Corporate Logistics Division, Dayton Ohio

In article <1jkqvnINNr47@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>Every other game or so, you hear Dickie Vitale commenting, "No one will ever
>go unbee-in in the Big 10 again."  Well, IU is an AMAZING 5-0 in Big 10
>play, with 13 (?) games to go.
>
>Boy, you know it's a WEAKBig-10 when IU dominates THIS much! ;-)
>
>Mike
>-- 

You've got to be kidding.  The Big Ten(11) is the strongest it has been in
years.  They have 8 teams who have been in or near the top 25 this year.  Two
of the teams (U of Mich. and IU) are two of the best teams in the country. 
The Big Ten(11) is arguably the strongest conference this year.

Indiana might be undefeated at the time, but there are still 13 games left to
play.  Quite honestly they have already played the toughest part of their
schedule, but they still have tough games on the road against Minn, Iowa, and
Ohio St.  We'll see what happens.

However, one thing that is for certain is that the Big Ten is very strong this
year.

Mr. Kelly Dougan
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From: Craig.Simpson@launchpad.unc.edu (Craig Simpson)
Subject: Re: North Carolina #1 ... :-(
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:09:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.194148.23803@seq.uncwil.edu> harveyc@seq.uncwil.edu (harveyc chet x) writes:
><JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>> Ouch!! It looks like it's true! If it wasn't for a fluke basket by Jalen Rose
>>UNC would be undefeated. Carolina is truly playing the best basketball in the
>>nation, they've played some of the best teams in the country, and have one all
>>but one game. The way they are playing is reminiscent of Duke's no-one-can-
>>touch-us style from last year. Let's face it, Dookies, Hoosiers, Wolverines,
>>Wildcats, and Jayhawks alike, Dean has THE TEAM TO BEAT.
>>                                                        -jim
>
>I'll second that very correct opinion!!! This team is as good as the 85
>team. I'm wondering if they can go thorough the ACC without a loss
>again!! 8-) Come on Dookies, you did beat the fab five this year. But
>you don't have that one man team this year, it's much harder to play
>as a team.

We will see if this years team is as good as the 84 team but I will tell
you right now that UNC will not go undefeated in the ACC.  They still
have 5 very tough games with UVA, Ga Teach, Wake, Duke and FSU.  If
we win 3 and then all of our home games, I myself will be very happy.

As far as UNC being "a tip in away from being undefeated", lets remember
that had UNC beaten Michigan they still would have beaten Kansas, not 
Hawaii.  That is by no means a given.  UNC is also still have much
trouble with their half-court offense.  If Reese and Williams don't
start contributing then opposing defenses will collapse even more
into the lane.  Right now UNC is getting ~20-30 points a game
off of turnovers.  If a team with a good point guard (like Duke)
takes care of the ball and does not get rattled by UNC's D then
UNC will find itself in serious trouble.  I think that both Reese
and Williams will get started soon, but I still think 16-0 is
a bit unrealistic to expect.

Craig
craig@unx.sas.com


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From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Billikens [Was: WHAT is a Billican (sp?)?]
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:13:19 GMT
Organization: Ditka Policy Institute

In article <81706@hydra.gatech.EDU> kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion) writes:
>Okay, I give.  I know there's a school somewhere (in the Northeast?) with a 
>mascot called the Billicans.

The Billiken is the mascot of St. Louis University, and of St. Louis U. High.
(Both are Jesuit schools, and are located in west central St. Louis.)
It looks sort of like a pickled elf, if you can imagine that; and it's
always painted up in blue.

Except, of course, at certain special times...such as the occasion just
about twenty years ago when SLUH's copy was kidnapped and redecorated
in maroon and white, the colors of the DeSmet High Spartans (another Jesuit
high school in the St. Louis area).  But then again, I wouldn't know
anything about that.

---Rsk
DeSmet '74
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: #1 UK/Vandy thoughts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:39:52 GMT

gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch)  writes:
>AND not every athelete on a basketball scholarship is a Rhodes scholar.
>Ask any college basketball player if they would like to play in the NBA,
>and unless they are going to Law School or into Medicine, etc., will say
>YES (in BIG LETTERS). I don't know many college basketball players that
>are now doctors or lawyers. I hope we are BOTH around in 20 years to
>discuss this. <g>

	Actually, there are many scholar-athletes that come to the top of
	my head.  How about Bill Bradley, Len Elmore, Tom McMillan, Alec
	Kessler (once he gets out of the NBA).  Alec's older brother Chad
	is now a doctor I believe (both played at Georgia).  Unfortunately,
	those stories get much less press than the ones that make it to the
	pros.

>Dream on. <smile> Winston Bennett was the exception (his high school
>coach isn't particularly fond of Denny) and he may live to regret his
>decision, unless of course he moves to Lexington.

	Why?  Bennett had 4 solid years at UK, had many fans, and made it
	for a couple of years in the NBA.  He's got nothing to be ashamed of.
	He made it quite far considering the talent he had.

	Jazzy J

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From: raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin)
Subject: TOP-20 Head-2-Head
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:18:23 GMT

Thanks to all those who helped in generating this list.
I am still trying to find out who Pitts other loss is to.

From this list, Indiana looks pretty impressive with 6 wins
over current Top-20 teams.  UNC, Michigan, and Duke are next
with 3 wins each.  Cincinnati, Seton Hall, Iowa, Purdue :-(,
Utah, and Oklahoma are all without wins against the current
top 20.

AP TOP 20        Overall Top-20
Jan 27, 1993      Record Record Lost to:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
1.  Kansas        (16-2) (2-1) Long Beach State, Michigan
2.  Indiana       (17-2) (6-2) Kentucky, Kansas
3.  UNC           (16-1) (3-1) Michigan
4.  Kentucky      (13-1) (2-1) Vanderbilt
5.  Michigan      (15-2) (3-2) Indiana, Duke
6.  Cincinnati    (13-1) (0-1) Indiana
7.  Duke          (13-3) (3-3) Virginia, Georgia Tech, FSU
8.  Arizona       (11-2) (1-1) Arkansas, Providence
9.  Seton Hall    (15-3) (0-3) UNC, Pittsburgh, Indiana
10. UNLV          (11-1) (1-0) Long Beach State
11. Iowa          (12-3) (0-2) Ohio State, Indiana, Duke 
12. Vanderbilt    (14-3) (2-0) Florida, Illinois, Memphis St.
13. Pittsburgh    (13-2)*(1-0) Boston College, ???
14. Purdue        (11-3) (0-2) Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan
15. Virginia      (12-2) (2-2) Georgia Tech, UNC
16. Arkansas      (12-3) (1-1) Vanderbilt, Auburn, NE Louisiana
17. Utah          (14-2) (0-1) Arizona, Utah State
18. Georgia Tech  (10-4) (2-2) Charleston, Wake Forest, UNC, Kentucky
19. Florida State (13-5) (1-2) UCLA, Indiana, Virginia, Florida, Duquesne
20. Oklahoma      (12-5) (0-3) Iowa State, Maryland, BYU, Duke, Kansas

OTHERS:
--------------------------------------
    Florida       (??-?)*(2-?) ???, ???, ???
    Long Beach St (14-3)*(2-0) UCSB, VCU, ???
    Providence    (??-?)*(1-?) ???, ???, ???
    UCLA          (12-5) (1-3) Cal, Seton Hall, Pitt, Oregon St, Arizona
    Iowa State    (11-5)*(1-3) Iowa, Michigan, FSU, ???, ???
    Ohio State    ( 9-5)*(1-2) Indiana, Michigan, ???, ???, ???
    Georgetown    (11-3)*(0-1) UNLV, Miami, ???
    Connecticut   ( 9-4)*(0-1) Purdue, Miami, ???, ???

* - indicates this team has unknown losses

Send me e-mail if you can fill in any of the ??? above.  Thanks.

RK
raymond@ecn.purdue.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best defensive guard
Keywords: He doesn't play in the ACC
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:46:36 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton) wrote:
}
}So who is leading the country in steals this year?

Here are the leaders through 1/18:

Player        School             G     S    S/G
================================================
Woods         Wright State      13    60    4.6
Brent         Loyola (Ill)      12    49    4.1
Baldwin       Northwestern      12    47    3.9
Goodman       Utah State        12    47    3.9
Hamilton      Oklahoma          15    57    3.8
Peyton        Bucknell          12    44    3.7
Kidd          California        10    36    3.6
Shepherd      Arkansas          13    45    3.5
Washington    SE Louisiana      12    40    3.3
Thames        Southern          13    43    3.3
Johnson       Canisius          11    36    3.3
Evans         Oklahoma          15    48    3.2
Williams      Tulane            15    48    3.2
Harris        MD-Baltimore C.   10    32    3.2
Mee           W. Kentucky       11    35    3.2
Miles         Delaware State    12    38    3.2
Brown         Georgetown        13    41    3.2

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

        "I only think about injustice when it happens to me."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:48:13 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,psu.sports
Subject: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!

THIS WEDNESDAY - JAN. 27 IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DAY FOR PENN STATE LADY
LIONS BASKETBALL.  Ranked No. 7, they will be taking on the No. 8 Lady
Buckeyes of Ohio State.  In the past, large crowds have been able to make
a difference in draining out the opponents and getting the Lady Lions pumped
up to do well.
The Lady Lions NEED your support!  You CAN make a difference!  I urge
all Penn Staters to come to this game and to cheer on your Lady Lions!  Please
please please 'PACK THE TRACK' on Wednesday night for this all important Big
10 game.  The Lady Lions need a victory or else their chances of winning the
Big 10 will be damaged.  Come support your team and women's basketball!  It
will be a great game and will give Rene-e Portland and her team something to
smile about!!!  Plan to be in Rec Hall on Wednesday night at 7:30 P.M.
     Your support is greatly appreciated!!!

** Rob **
Contact for the Penn State Lady Lions
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:41:07 GMT

domet@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>Who are some of the THREE POINT shooters in Division I, NCAA Mens Basketball?

	U might want to consider Travis Ford of Kentucky.  He was over 55%
	before the Alabama game, and then went something like 1-2.
	I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the league leaders.

	For trivia, who is the all-time leader in 3-pt percentage in the
	NCAAs?

	Jazzy J

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Talk is Cheap (MPP is under the hood and doing it!)
Organization: American Math. Society
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:17:43 GMT

In article <2466@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene) writes:

   >While other people are are yapping and whining, the Mighty Pitt Panthers
   >are surely and effectively doing the job. Yesterday, the MPP forced the
   >game and potent Miami Hurricanes to register in the L colum, as they have
   >done so may others this season.

The "potent" Miami Hurricanes?  In rec.sport.football.college, maybe.

   (Description of game between two also-rans deleted)

   >The moral in this is that the MPP are primed and will find a way to win 
   >against any one. And by being in it up to the very end, the canes are ser
   >ving noticed that they are ready for anyone.....

   >So watch out you all.....


   >makala


The moral of this is that two lower-echelon teams can put on a pretty
good and entertaining game.  Put either team against the likes of
Indiana, North Carolina, Michigan, Kentucky, or Duke (I would've
included Kansas, but after their last game...), and it would be a
laugher 9 times out of 10.  The "MPP" are primed and will find a way
to win against any one...except those teams listed above.



-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 The opinions expressed above are not the opinions of the American
 Mathematical Society.  They aren't even my opinions, really, I'm just
 borrowing them.
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National POTY
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:34:04 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson



 Chris "I'm in my 7th year" Mills Arizona

			gln
From: kjordan@williams.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NESCAC Div.III, Little 3
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:04:19 GMT
Organization: Williams College Ctr for Computing
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>Colby 68 @ Amherst 55
>   The visiting White Mules (12-1) opened the second half with a 17-4 spurt
>and breezed to their second victory in less than 24 hours [so much for Duke's
>excuse re:  Virginia --RLH]

Colby's first victory was over Williams, 77-70. Prior to this, Williams was
ranked #1 in New England and #5 in the nation. I'll post the new rankings if I
can find 'em.

Kimberly Jordan
Academic Computing Support Staff
Williams College
kimberly.jordan@williams.edu
From: cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: The BEST point guards...
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:30:12 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

Name some point guards who are ranked nationally in the top five in 
both steals and assists and give their scoring average.

Here's one:

Mark Woods - 1st in steals, 2nd in assists nationally.
14.0 pts per game average.  

A _very_ good point guard.
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From: genzuk@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Genzuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BEST NCAA COACH! Who? Let's hear it!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:21:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Dean Smith - no more to say!!!

Michael at USC
From: Kenneth.Whelan@f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Kenneth Whelan)
Sender: UUCP@p0.f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org
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Subject: No Fouls Called
Date: 21 Jan 93  10:31:01 EST

 > How about those silly SEC officials that called the Alabama-Kentucky
 > game on
 > Jan. 19.


Not complaining about the loss but I would like to point out that In the  
Arkansas / Vanderbilt Game(Congrats) that Vandy shot 45 foul shots to  
Arkansas 10 foul shots.   A little lopsided there.

Kenneth Whelan

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