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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Keith Jackson & the Dolphins
Keywords: Dolphins, Eagles, TE
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:20:18 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <29SEP199216475625@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> aesr137@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Karl Stapelfeldt) writes:
>would be needed.  But something has to be done.  Football can't survive
>the kind of unrestricted free agency that has fouled up baseball so
>completely.


Baseball's problems are simple. For years, the tv money kept increasing 
at a higher rate than the players contracts. Free agency and arbitration
started to level things out, and then the last baseball tv deal with
CBS and ESPN was so huge that the agents and players were able to get
huge increases. The reason the owners gave up the big money was they
were still smarting from the collusion cases, for years they had cried
poor while raking in the bucks, they couldn't get away with that anymore
with such a huge tv deal.

Football shouldn't have this problem, because the McNeil trial already
opened the books, prior to free agency. The players have a much more
accurate picture of what the owners finances look like. They also know
that some form of compensation probably will be needed. 

Baseball doesn't have unrestricted free agency, if you lose Terry Pendleton
to the Braves, you(the Cardinals) get 2 #1 draft picks in return, of course
in football #1 draft picks are a much bigger certainty than they are in
baseball, so teams won't give up 2 to sign a Keith Jackson.

I think what they'll end up doing is something similar to your suggestion
in ranking players, and a team that loses a free agent will get the other
teams draft pick, plus a supplemental pick between rounds(similar again
to baseball). that way the signing team only loses one pick, but the team
who lost the player gains 2 picks.




Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
WARNING: POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE JOKE FOLLOWS.

49er kicker Mike Cofer tried unsuccessfully to commit suicide the other day.
Cofer tried to hang himself, but was unable to kick the chair out from under
his body.
********************************************************************************
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Mike Shanahan
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:38:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

Were Denver Bronco fans sorry to lose Mike Shanahan?  I heard that Dan
Reeves fired him for being too friendly with John Elway.

When Mike Shanahan was first hired as the 49ers offensive coordinator,
I thought it was another bone-headed post-Walsh maneuver, like the
handling of Dexter Carter, the planBing of Ronnie Lott combined with
the non-planBing of Bubba Paris, the putative new helmet design, or
this year's planBing of Dave Waymer.

But I was wrong.  Shanahan's problems as head coach of the LA Raiders
are not in evidence with the 49ers, a more highly disciplined team.
And his play calling has been excellent.  Shanahan has called many
left-handed plays suited to Steve Young, which Holmgren seldom did.
Although some plays (for example long bombs) do not work out, they
at least accomplish a purpose (in this case stretching the defense).
I think Shanahan's play calling is at least as responsible as Ricky
Watters for the resurgence of the running game.  The run/pass mix is
unpredictable yet timely.  The sweep is working again.  Holmgren was
more of a run on 1st and 2nd down, pass on 3rd type of play caller.
I'm starting to think Siefert wanted to get rid of Holmgren all along.

Anyway, I doubt the 49ers will go far in the playoffs this year with
their mediocre defense, but their offense is much improved, largely
because of Mike Shanahan.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 21:13:24 CDT
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chicago BEARS Stats. Week #1

Subject:   Chicago BEARS STATS : wk #1

TEAMS
Chicago BEARS(0-0) vs Detroit LIONS(0-0)

GAME SUMMARY

           BEARS*       Opponent
Pts          27           24
Rushing     140          120
Pass Att     30           26
Pass Yds    227          273
Fum Lost    4-0          2-0
Poss      30:51        29:09

PASSING

Harbaugh 19-30-0-227  2P

RUSHING

Anderson   13-52 T
Harbaugh    4-28
Lewis       4-23
Green       3-21
Muster      5-16

RECEIVING

Davis      4-66
Jennings   3-43
Anderson   3-32 T
Muster     3-31
Morris     2-13
Waddle      2-9
Lewis      1-24
Green      1-9

KICKING

Butler  2F (34,38) 3X

SACKS

Morissey 1, Roper 1, Spellman 1, Armstrong 1, McMichael 2

INTERCEPTIONS

Stinson 1

INJURIES


SUMMARY NOTES

Bears' last minute drive and the TD with :01 left clinched the game,
but weren't as impressive as their "FIT TO HIT" slogan.save

OTHER NOTES
*= Home Team
P=Touchdown Passes Thrown
T=Touchdowns Scored
F=Field Goals Scored (number in parens is distance)
X=Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions, attempts, interceptions, yards, TD passes


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From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Organization: NASA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:22:40 GMT

In article <2536@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) 
writes:
> In article <1992Sep26.221757.24823@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill 
Perry) 
> writes:
> >(Oh, and the Lions whipped the
> >Cowboys in the Playoffs, and the Redskins whipped them, so its safe to say 
the
> >cowgirls would have gotten squished in the NFC champiomship)
> 
> HAHAHAHAHA . . . *whew* It's been a long time since I've seen anyone post
> this sort of logic.  I had forgotten how funny it was to laugh at.
> 
> Hey, here's another one for you:  if you flip a coin ten times, and it
> comes up heads every time, then on the eleventh flip, it is much, MUCH
> more likely to come up tails!
> 
> Daniel Welch

BZZZZZTT! Wrongo, Dan! Previous results have absolutely no effect on the odds 
of flipping a coin. Even if you got ten heads in a row, the odds of getting 
another head is still 50%. 

As for Bill Perry, your logic is flawed. The two regular season games between 
The Cowboys and the Deadskins were close. (33-31 Deadskins, 24-17 Cowboys at 
RFK, no less!) Those teams match up against each other very well, and If 
Dallas had beaten Detroit (I know they didn't!), the NFC Championship game 
wouldn't have been the blowout that it was...

Stop showing off your ignorance in logic and go back to talking football!

Cowboys Forever!

------------------------
       John Paul Phillips   
             "Azjohn"         
         NASA/Langley        
azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: asgari@ssc01.unet.com (Asgari Roger)
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.040326.20855@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Up until tonight, I thought the 49ers were the team to beat in the NFC.
>But after watching the Eagles devour the Cowboys tonight (and keeping
>in mind the way they demolished the Broncos), it sure looks like the
>Eagles are the now the premier team in the NFC. We may find out when
>the 49ers and the Eagles meet later this season, and it looks possible
>they will meet again in the NFC championship game. Right now, even though
>I'm a 49ers fans, I'd say the Eagles have the inside track. But the
>49ers are very close, and they certainly have what it takes to beat
>the Eagles if they play a halfway decent game.
 



		With all due respect Bob, Grow up please. I am an avid
	Pokes fan but have known for some time(pre-preseason) that the
	Eagles are by far the best team(balance wise) in the NFC. 
		Perhaps if you played them twice a year you would        
	know this.


		GO COWBOYS!!!!
	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rueb@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Christopher J. Rueb)
Subject: Re: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Predictions for Week 5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:34:31 GMT

f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>Here are the computer program's predictions for Week 5.
>==
B
>                     Week #5 Game Predictions


>       Green Bay      ___   21          New Orleans    ___   22

>     @ Atlanta        ___   27        @ Detroit        ___   18



>       Chicago        ___   24          Dallas         ___   20

>     @ Minnesota      ___   26        @ Philadelphia   ___   24



>       Washington     ___   33          L.A. Rams      ___   13

>     @ Phoenix        ___   11        @ San Francisco  ___   33



>       Indianapolis   ___   13          Miami          ___   23

>     @ Tampa Bay      ___   21        @ Buffalo        ___   38



>       Kansas City    ___   22          N.Y. Giants    ___   23

>     @ Denver         ___   15        @ L.A. Raiders   ___   21



>       New England    ___   12          Seattle        ___   18

>     @ N.Y. Jets      ___   19        @ San Diego      ___   16
>-- 

i        I realize that these scores come from a power ranking of 
    some type but should you not try to fix the scores so that
    they come out to a real type of football score  When is 
     the last time you saw a 19 - 12 score??  Isn't the
     power ratings just saying that The Jets should be 7 points
     better and give up either 10 points or 13 points??
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: dallas vs philadelphi
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:00:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

al.sorhaindo@execnet.com (al sorhaindo) writes:

>Two quarterbacks that have NEVER won a playoff game.


>Let's be reasonable and not cancel the season after next monday night
>and award the winner the Lombardi trophy.

>The last Monday night game to receive much hype was SF-NY in 1990.

>The difference was that it was much later in the season, and there were
>two dynastys competing, not two wannabees. Still, the outcome was
>not important because SF won, but the Giants beat them in the playoffs.

   The Giants a dynasty?  I don't think so.  Let's face it, if Bahr was
an amputee the Giants would be worthless.  How did they (HE) beat the 49er's?
Five FG's.   

   You are correct, the 49er's are a dynasty.
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: The FISH EAT BUFFALFO MEAT!
Keywords:  FISH EAT BUFFALO BILLS!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:14:53 GMT

KELLY throws his 1st INT, intercepted by Lewis Oliver...
Bills FANS, won't forget his name. :-)
Keith Jackson wastes no time and scores his first TD with
a remarkable catch.  YES! Okay, where are the K.Jackson detractors
now?

KELLY throws his 2nd INT by JB Brown. Tony Paige scores TD
reception from Marino  YES!

Andre Reed scores TD...yawn. :-)

Humphrey scores TD.  YES!

KELLY throws his 3rd INT Oliver in the endzone. Oliver runs
out and cuts down the left side, look at him GO, CAN
HEEE GO...ALL  THE    WAYYYY....YES, 103 yards TD.

Would you believe Kelly just threw his 4th INT. In the endzone
again, to Lewis Oliver who returns it for 54 yards. 1st down
Miami.

The Dolphins (FISH) score again, alright, it was ONLY 
a 3 pointer.

Thurman Thomas fumbles....another T.O. (5th).
Machine Gun Kelly is taken out because he cannot shoot
his guns and is replaced by Frank Wright (WHO??!?!).

Marino and crew have dissected and revealed the Bills for
what they are, a high octane car without the right driver,
a.k.a. "Machine Gun Kelly". It seems Kelly brought his water
pistol instead.  WOOF WOOF! Hey, I am a NINER fan, but how
does it feel to see your *16-0* team get beat by the FISH.
And No, before the Buffalo fanatics go beserk. My comments
are not in retribution for the Bills outscoring the Niners
earlier this year. I call it as I see them and what I saw
today was a better prepared offense/defense by the DOLFINs.
Marino executed the offense to perfection and although the
Bills looked like they could move the ball, they were not
able to sustain their drives and consequently faltered.
Like the announers stated, Miami TOOK this game away!
It was not luck!  Keith Jackson was blessing! YES!

Miami   37 Buffalo  10  * FINAL the FISH gobble the Buffalo Bills

Indianapolis  24	 Tampa Bay  14  4th qtr.
Chicago  20		    Minnesota  21  * FINAL How about this for a comeback!
Green Bay	10	    Atlanta   24  * FINAL
New Orleans	 3	    Detroit  7    * FINAL
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Need player info
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:43:25 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

What is the status on Hugh Millen of the Patriots and Boomer Esiason of the     Bengals? Are these QB's still in good grace with their teams? 
I know Millen threw 3 TD's on Sunday, and Boomer had a much needed day off.     Will either or both play this Sunday?
Please e-mail me what you know. Thanks in advance.


-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
The only thing in life that you get
for free is your feelings hurt.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby)
Subject: Same ol Elway
Summary: kc dropped
Keywords: comebacks
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:52:53 GMT


Open letter to Marty Schottenheimer:
Have you had enough of Elway comebacks yet?  
Can #7 invent a NEW way to beat you everytime?

For those who missed it, poor offensive showing by the BRONCOS
led to a kc lead 19-6 with 5:44 or so left in the 4th qtr.
Big John then drove the BRONCOS to their 1st TD in about 12 qtrs
with a pass to Mark Jackson with 1:41 left.

kc blows the kickoff return, ball at 5 yd line.  Broncos
defense holds, Arthur Marshall returns the punt deep in kc
territory.  A few plays later, another touch pass to the Vance 
with :41 secs left.  The Winner.

Broncos D holds kc at the 50yrd line and the game is over.
Rack up another Miracle at Mile High, with Elway doing it yet again!
KC hasn't won in Denver since 1982.
I can't wait for marty's quotes in the paper tomorrow...

and shame, shame, shame to the few folks that snuck out of MileHigh
with 6min to go.  You should know better by now fools.
the only bad thing about sunday was the damn raiders somehow won...

::j

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Re: Saints Niners game
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:04:12 GMT


gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi) writes:

>Could someone post the score please.  Even intermidiate scores are
>fine.  If you do not want to post non-final scores to the net then
>email them to me. 

  Despite every effort by the referees early on, the 49ers still managed 
  to prevail 16-10 over the Saints.  Unlike some of their losses last 
  year, and in a game where TDs were hard to come by, Cofer was able to 
  split the uprights 3 out of 3 times to make the difference in the game.  
  Ironically, the two weakest areas of the 49ers team, the defensive 
  backfield and special teams, performed well when they had to.

  Hopefully, Cofer's performance tonight will help his confidence for the 
  rest of the season.
  
  Btw, this game was another perfect illustration of why instant replay 
  should be revived (at least in some form). 

  ...Paul

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: Can Bills go 16-0?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:43:19 GMT

In article <BvE4oG.8zr@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug
Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>In article <1abms5INNkv3@phakt.usc.edu>, tehyang@phakt.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
writes...
>>I'm not a fanatical Bills fan, but looking at their schedule and how good
>>they've been playing, doesn't anyone else think they might go undefeated?
>
>I highly doubt it. Even if the Bills won their first 14 games, they'll
>play New Orleans, then the Oilers to close out the season. One or both
>of those games could be "throw away" games that the Bills will sacrifice
>in the interest of keeping the starters healthy for the playoffs.
>
	I agree it is highly doubtful they'll reach 14-0, but if they did I bet Marv
and the team would be very pumped to win the last two, and keep alive the
chance to beat the Dolphins 17-0 record.  

	But I do think they can beat last year's record of 13-3, provided they stay
healthy.  The tough games are at Miami, New Orleans and Houston.  They've had
great success at Miami recently, so they can beat then their.  As for Houston,
I'm sure they'd like to play well against them, since they could meet them a
few weeks laster in the playoffs.  But the Saints game will be tough,
especially if they are fighting for a playoff position.  Of course, they'll
probably blow one game this year, possibly the Jets game (I expect them to turn
it around very soon).

Bill Perry

>Marv Levy has clearly stated the goals of the team as: win the AFC East,
>win home-field advantage, win each playoff game and win the SB. He has
>said nothing about going undefeated in the regular season.
>
>I guess we could postulate that if the Bills enter December undefeated,
>perhaps the players and fans will pressure Levy into going for a 
>perfect season. It *would* be something that no other team has done on
>a 16 game schedule.
>
>
>Doug
>
>
>                                  |                              Doug Evans
>                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
>                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
>
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Sunday, 27 Sep 1992 22:16:23 CET
From: <TELECOMM@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: results


             Atlanta    -  Chicago      31 - 41
             Minnesota  -  Cincinnati   42 - 7
             Tampa Bay  -  Detroit      27 - 23
             Buffalo    -  New England  41 - 7
             Denver     -  Cleveland    12 - 0
             San Diego  -  Houston       0 - 27
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Saints Niners game
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:09:12 GMT


Could someone post the score please.  Even intermidiate scores are
fine.  If you do not want to post non-final scores to the net then
email them to me. 

Thanks,
-- 
<><><><><><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><>
Gilford T. Hapanyengwi       |To avoid lying, do not tell
(615) 322-3552               |the whole truth.
gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu  |
From: dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/22
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:15:27 GMT
	<RICH.92Sep30165508@quik.clearpoint.com>
	<1992Sep30.202518.19553@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Organization: Oracle Corp., Belmont CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


In article <1992Sep30.202518.19553@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>In article <RICH.92Sep30165508@quik.clearpoint.com> rich@jasmine.clearpoint.com writes:
>>
>>The major problem with the Patriots is just as it was before, they don't have a
>>Quarterback.
>
> I dont know, man, the problem with the Pats is much more fundamental than 
>that. Even the best quarterback in the league cant do well with a pathetic
>offensive line and running game. however, quarterback and receiver problems
>give the pats that special something that makes a not-so-great team an
>awful team.

I must agree.  People always used to give Grogan shit for
the way he played in his last year.  What do you expect when
you hand the QB the ball and give him half a second to throw
before being levelled on his ass?  Not even Joe Montana
himself could have done much better than the 1-15 record
Grogan posted that year.

I would rather see the Patriots draft an offensive lineman
first round than a QB.  Millen might be good after all, but
we'll never know.

Of course, I haven't yet been able to see the Pats this
year, since their games aren't televised in the SF Bay Area
(I know of at least one that will, though...).  Maybe Hugh
is getting protection this year.

I think the Pats should play no-huddle for the entire hour.
They did well with it last year.  Have they used it at all
this year?

---David B. Mercer
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Fair Weather Fans (Dallas,etc)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 20:25:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: york
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4


	Does anyone else notice the increased amount of Cowboys fans on the
	net making their great predictions. Where were these fans during
	the 1-15 season? Do fans who stuck with the teams through the bad
	years like those band wagon jumpers? When I first starting reading 
	this group, there were tons of posts about how great the Giants 
	were and the Bears. Now , 90% of the traffic is Dallas/Philly.
	Granted they are good teams, but we dont need to have these threads
	going back and forth, my team is greater than yours. Where were
	these fans 2 years ago? I have been a fan of Minnesota for about 
	12 years now, and I suffered through the 6-10 season, and enjoyed
	the 11-5, and 2 10-6 seasons. I hate bandjumpers.

	Caeser
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: dallas vs philadelphi
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:13:51 GMT

>   The Giants a dynasty?  I don't think so.  Let's face it, if Bahr was
>an amputee the Giants would be worthless.  How did they (HE) beat the 49er's?
>Five FG's.   
>
>   You are correct, the 49er's are a dynasty.

If I use the above logic about the Giants against the 49er's, we have:
If Montana was an amputee the 49er's would be worthless.

This argument sounds dumb against any team. Don't misunderstand. It is the 
argument that was presented that I hate. I don't really care about who is 
right or wrong between those two posters.
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:16:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.015123.27623@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>As promised, here they are, *'s are NFC teams:
>
>   1. 1983: W 21-19 Baltimore, from 0-19 in 4th.
>   2. 1984: W 26-19 New England, from 12-19 in 4th.
> [ other garbage deleted ]
>  27.       W 26-24 Houston, from 23-24 in 4th, AFC playoffs.
>  28. 1992: W 17-13 LA Raiders, from 10-13 in 4th.
>  29.       W 20-19 Kansas City, from 6-19 in 4th.
>
>--
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
>
All these "comebacks" really don't amount to a hill of
beans!  I sure as hell didn`t see Elway have ANY comebacks
in his SUPERBOWL appearances, where it counts, unless that
simple fact has escaped all you John "No Where Man" Elway fans.
Take that to the bank.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain