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From: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Subject: LAST WORDS: Disk Images
Originator: tmcreek@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:04:43 GMT


Hi, all!

Sorry to get everybody's hopes up, but I will not be uploading the images
to anyone.  If someone wants handle the uuencoding and requests, mail me.
Otherwise, it is in my best interest not to FTP them anywhere. :(

I will still be reading this group and will post from time to time.  I 
have some source for the converting of disk images, but you need Kermit
on an Apple and a compiled hex dump program on the PC.  I have source for
the hex dump prog.  Anyone who is interested in getting this beast, mail
me.  It is not copyrighted, so I can send it anywhere.  :)

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From: edguer@ces.cwru.edu (Aydin Edguer)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: copying disk images
Date: 16 Dec 1992 04:19:26 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sentinel.ces.cwru.edu

In article <15DEC199216481579@acad2.alaska.edu> psrjd@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>One point that I believe is relevant to this discussion.  Is it not true that
>copyright is only good for seven years from the date claimed?  (If there is
>someone who knows otherwise, please correct me!)  As I seem to recall, once a
>copyright is granted, it is good for seven years.  (Perhaps claimed would be a
>better word.)

CHOKE!! GASP!! You are *very* *very* wrong.
*Disclaimer* I am not a lawyer and this is not meant as legal advise.

According to 17 USC 302 - for works created on or after January 1, 1978
  Joint works 
    50 years after the last surviving author's death
  Anonymous works,  Pseudonymous works, Works made for hire
    75 years from date of first publication OR
    100 years from date of first creation, whichever is less.
According to 17 USC 304 - for works created before January 1, 1978
  If during the first term of copyright, it will endure for 28 years
  from the original date and may be renewed for an extension of 47 years.
  [total 75 years].

I would suggest that you have a long wait before it is legal to copy
commercial Apple II software freely.

Aydin Edguer
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker)
Subject: Re: Apple II em. Doesn't work on my comp!
Organization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.024553.25793@mtu.edu> destill@mtu.edu (Still) writes:
>	I'm trying to run the apple emulator on my 386sx25.  I'm running
>DOS 5.0 with QEMM.SYS.  I've tried playing with the BIOS settings, tried
>removing all background stuff (like QEMM) and nothing seems to work.  A
>friend of mine also has a 386sx25 and it runs just fine on his.  We are
>both using the same program.  What gives?  Does the emulator not work on
>some brands of computers?  Please help me.  I've used apples ever since
>I could type and they're lots of fun.  I WANT TO USE THIS EMULATOR!!!!!!
>Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

You and your friend don't have the same brand 386sx25?  Hmm.

Can we assume you have a standard IBM graphics card?  And, btw, what
does your machine *DO* when you try to run apl2em?

tombaker

Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.)
Subject: Re: Does apple ][ GS software work using the apple ][ emulator
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:06:02 GMT

millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:
> 3. You can honestly say there's still a market for s/w and peripherals for
>    the TI?

While I don't really know about peripherals for the TI (and wouldn't
try to BS you into believeing I did), a little over a year ago I
set up an old TI network for some adult education program that my
mother was working with during the summer.  It had 8 TI's and an
old XT running as a server (5meg HDD).  While I didn't "charge" them
for my limited services, I did have to modify some sort of basic
(shell) program that was responsible for serving to the TI's.
I'd say that constitutes software and/or support, at least in
one sense of the word...

Jim

Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: keving@netcom.com (Kevin Gwarada)
Subject: Apple // Roms
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:16:36 GMT

Can someone please tell me the location of the FLOPPY and SERIAL roms?
Thanks ..

Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Christ! (or, could you IBM pirates be more brazen?)
Keywords: words which summarize content
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:58:23 GMT

irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.103042.743@wam.umd.edu> mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:

>>And does anyone else know of any DSK sites since cco.caltech.edu was
>>forced down????  Let me know...I want Airheart!!

>Ahh, Ms. Cassidy, Airheart is a copyrighted commercial piece of software.  I'm
>sure the SPA would be most interested in hearing if it does get uploaded 
>someplace...

Why bother with the stinky version of double-hires Airheart when you can have
the full blown color version of Typhoon Thompson?

Ian, it sure is good that we have people like you to keep everyone else in
line.
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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Emulatin' the GS, mon
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2,alt.sex.motss,alt.flame,comp.sys.amiga.emulators,comp.sys.ibmpc.soundcard,alt.sys.ibmpc.lame.lame.lame
Summary: the usual...
Keywords: words which summarize content
Organization: Two Meg Software World Domination HQ
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:14:27 GMT

Well, there's one pressing reason to emulate the GS I can think of...there's
some classic GS games, notably "IBM Killers" wherein you listen to 14 track 
music and blow up clones with heavy ammo.  A must-play for Amiga/Mac/Un*x users
bored with the House that Bill Gates Built. (:



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office is infested with morons and dimwits" - Ernie Moore, Project Apple Storm
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: copying disk images
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:22:52 GMT

In article <15DEC199216481579@acad2.alaska.edu> psrjd@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>One point that I believe is relevant to this discussion.  Is it not true that
>copyright is only good for seven years from the date claimed?  (If there is
>someone who knows otherwise, please correct me!)  As I seem to recall, once a
>copyright is granted, it is good for seven years.  (Perhaps claimed would be a
>better word.)  If this is the case, and I believe it is, then as of 1-Jan-1993
>most software prior to 1986 is no longer protected by copyright.

No.  Copyrights are valid for much longer than seven years.

>
>As has been pointed out previously, the copyright holders in question are not
>likely seeing any profit for these pieces, and might willingly let them go.
>Another possibility would be distribution as shareware (if the copyright holder

That would indeed be nice.

-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)


Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: hsiaoe@aix.rpi.edu (Eric Hsiao)
Subject: Re: Making disk images (was: Re: Apple2 emulator for the PC)
Keywords: apple2 emulator dos pc
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:10:56 GMT

In article <Bz8r7A.CGD@rice.edu> jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:
>
>You could always buy the game and make a disk image yourself...
>
>Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
>
And just where can you buy it???? Walk into your local EB, Babbages, etc. and
ask the salesdroid, "do you have Sabotage for the Apple II?"  Most of the
companies that made these old games have long gone out of business.  Jim, be
realistic...these games are not for sale any more and haven't been for sale
for probably over 7 years now.
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From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: copying disk images
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:50:34 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Dec14.102041.24369@hellgate.utah.edu> galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu writes:
>
>And, if the software cannot be found in stores, and the company
>is out of business or unreachable, then I wouldn't see any
>ethical problem with copying the software.  In fact, since 
>it would be so reasonable to copy it, there is very little 
>chance of any problems even if it is against the letter of the
>law.

You're right that there is only a small chance you'll get into legal
trouble for copying out of print games.  But someone, somewhere owns
the copyright on those games, even if the company that originally published
them has long since gone out of business, and by copying them you're
essentially stealing from them.  If your neighbor had piles and piles
of fifty dollar bills that he wasn't using, and had no plans to spend, would
you argue that it would be correct from an ethical standpoint to steal
cash from him?



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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Re: Does apple ][ GS software work using the apple ][ emulator
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:47:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec19.130045.20750@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>Even though IBM has not manufactured IBM's, IBM PCs, IBM AT, XT, etc. for
>many yrs, programs are still being written for them, and folk keep using them.
>They are not being built, but there is still a market for software and 
>peripheral support.  The same is true for Apple II, II+, IIe, IIc, IIgs,
>III, Lisa, Mac .* models, etc., Amigas, Commodore 64s, Texas Instruments,
>Atari 800, etc.

1. Even though IBM isn't making XT's or AT's anymore, they are still making
   PC's (the generic term) and PS/2's which are backwards compatible.
2. From what I understand, Macs and Amigas are still being made, so your
   statement "The same is true for..." wouldn't apply to those.
3. You can honestly say there's still a market for s/w and peripherals for
   the TI?
4. I won't touch the II series to prevent a flame war.


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From: gazo@server.uwindsor.ca (ozaG .S luaP)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of...
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:31:19 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada


	So, we can't even use something like Norton DiskEdit to get a straight
Hex content of an Apple disk?  I mean, there's _NO_ way of sticking an apple
disk in an IBM drive and grabbing the contents directly?
	I realize that if there were an easier way, you'd probably all be
talking about it, but hey, maybe you guys _like_ using the physical Apple to
upload a disk image to your IBMs...
	I just want to sleep at night, so if someone could actually say "it
absolutely, due to technical difficulties, cannot be done", I would be able to
stop thinking of nasty assembly routines to decrypt Apple disks...

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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Subject: DEVELOPMENT: Slew o' images
Originator: tmcreek@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:48:14 GMT


Ok, everybody, you can stop sending mail.  :)

I didn't have any idea that this would draw such an emphatic response! I
thought I was a die-hard Apple lover in a world of PC's, but really!

Anyway, the messages I got ranged from "where IS wilbur?" to "uuencode them
and send them to me please?" to "upload them to Wuarchive?".

Ok.  

First of all, I am NOT going to uuencode them, as there are 3(!) compressed
high density disks that I have, and that is enough to make me want to not
uuencode them and bust somebody's mail box or my disk quota.  I may be able
to make other arrangements with these people.

Second, when I say wilbur, I mean wilbur.stanford.edu (36.14.0.30).  I have
only been reading this group for two days, so where is it that this group
has it's archive?  Advise me please.

Third, these games are still copyrighted.  I have both Wolfensteins, although
Beyond locks up.  I have Sabotage, Karateka, etc, and these are still under
copyright.  I need to hear from the wilbur site maintainer about sending these
anywhere.  Therefore, I will NOT upload them to wuarchive.  I fear losing 
my privaledge, and I need access to wuarchive for my UltraSound and 
cica win3 mirrors there.

Barring that I get permission to upload these, I may talk to people on an
individual basis.

Responses encouraged.

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From: unknown@Apple.COM (Matt Ackeret)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: Slick emulator...but need system disks.
Date: 13 Dec 92 10:21:13 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <kenc.724129805@sol> kenc@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ken Corey - Operator) writes:
>apl2em-2 is a great little emulator, and it runs quickly on my 486dx33..., 
>however, the only disk I could find was the inmate disk. 
>
>I understand the moderator's concern about copyrighted software, and I'm not 
>asking anyone to become a pirate.  I'd simply like to get the Operating 
>System Software (I no longer have an Apple II, or it's disks). Would this be 
>a major no-no? 

you can ftp them from ftp.apple.com
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From: where@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: ][GS Emulating Capabilities
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:10:30 GMT
Reply-To: where@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

When you get a working configuration capable of emulating this ][GS I'm typing
on running faster than the guys over in the Comp.Sys.Apple2 have their
full blown ][GS's running modified transwarps running, on a machine that
costs less than $1000, and add in the file system transfer (FST) capable of
reading my existing ][GS disks, then I'll think about buying a Messy-DOS
machine. In the meantime, I'll use my archaic ][GS capable of more sound
output than a flock of MIDI keyboards :)

   To the person looking for the uncompressed DB-15 connector to put an
Apple II joystick on an IBM, Here's my source: Marlin P. Jones & Assoc.
P.O. Box 12685, Lake Park, FL 33403-0685    I converted my Kraft joystick
over to work on my dad's IBM a bunch of years ago, but it was always too
picky about centering for my tastes (maybe because the apple used 150K
pots and the IBM was setup for 100K pots). When I came across an IBM
joystick I converted my Kraft back to Apple Specs and put it back on
my ][+ :)
       WHERE@Maple.Circa.Ufl.Edu
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Subject: Slew o' disk images found!!!
Originator: tmcreek@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu (Tobin M. Creek)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:56:40 GMT


Hey All!!!

There used to be an archive coated with disk images, but to protect the innocent,
I will omit the name of the archive.  I have almost all of the images, and will 
upload them when time allows, unless someone beats me to it.

Look for them on Wilbur!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker)
Subject: Re: Swapping disks with apple2em?
Organization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:00:53 GMT

In article <1725@igd.fhg.de> gallenba@igd.fhg.de (Jens Gallenbacher) writes:
>Many applications for the Apple II require a disk-change during
>execution of the program.
>
>To do this with the emulator, I wrote a memory-resident utility, 
>that swaps any image file *.dsk with disk6a.dsk or disk6b.dsk. The 
>utility works! The files *are* swapped after I pushed the Hotkey, 
>but the emulator has buffers, so it uses part of the old disk-image 
>and parts of the new disk, so the result of the disk - swap is not 
>usable!
>
>Has anyone knowledge, how to flush this buffers to enable disk-
>swapping or has anyone written an adequate utility himself?

Damn clever, I'm glad he did it.

No, this is not an answer, just a comment.  So the problem is not
switching the files araound.  The problem is in getting the emulator
to flush its buffers.

The straightforward approach is to force a disk access when the disk
swap takes place, by altering the emulator code and re-assembling.

Any other ideas?  It IS true that lots of Apple stuff need disk swaps.

tombaker


Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: Does apple ][ GS software work using the apple ][ emulator
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:17:02 GMT

In article <BzD6M0.71n@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
>I know it is hard for most of you GS users to understand, but ROMS are
>software.  On the Amiga and the Atari ST, the ROMS are read into RAM for use,
>just like any software.
>
Grow up. My point was that you either need to obtain original Apple ROMs 
(moderately difficult), pirate a copy of same (relatively easy), or clone
the ROMs (good luck), so you can do the emulation without requiring extra
hardware without breaking the law.
-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)


Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From:  techs@lucifer.9thfloor.beadwrld (sysadmin)
Subject: Apple Software and the Great Lack Thereof..
Keywords: words which summarize content
Reply-To: emf@freedom.nmsu.edu
Organization: The aNk1e ByT0rz k1uB
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:59:21 GMT

Okay..  Pardon me, but I just started playing with this thing. It's 
nice to have an apple running on a machine here so I don't have to
drag my old Apple to college from my parents place.  <grin>  Anyway..

Suppose I have a box 'o' Apple floppies.   How do I get all this
software into my emulator?  Hooking up another apple isn't a good
solution, since I don't have an Apple handy.  Or am I going to have to
lug my PC back home for Xmas break to make disk images with? 

Help a sentimental Apple user who's sick to death of that Inmate game.

The emulator is great. the only thing I miss is the "chug chug chug" 
disk noise at boot-up time.  gonna haveta digitize that and make a 
Soundblaster file.  

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Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker)
Subject: Re: Let Me Get Down to Business
Organization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:04:40 GMT

In article <SHIPLEY.92Dec9145959@peyote.tfs.com> shipley@peyote.tfs.com (Peter Shipley) writes:
>In article <Byx0t0.JCr@world.std.com> tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker) writes:
>>   2) Is anyone presently porting one of the Unix-based emulations over 
>>      to the IBM?  I understand that some are in C and may not be much
>>      of a bear.
>
>what are the names of the unix-based emulations?  I can take a quick
>peek at it (assumeing the unix-based emulations are PD with full source.
>
Thanks for responding, but that's a big problem.  The
"comp.sys.apple2" FAQ gives an explicit address for one of them, but
it's not there anymore, and asking around has not provided anyplace
where it can be found.  Archie (the program) can't find it, either.

DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE KNOW WHERE TO GET THE UNIX EMULATOR?

I have a friend who has it, but his machine has a lot of trouble
mailing to my machine...I keep trying to get it.

tombaker
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Re: speed of apple2em
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:34:05 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <BzDr2n.B6I@world.std.com> tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker) writes:
>Yeah, though I don't remember enough to be useful.  My boss has 
>a very decent 486 (and the speed is what I don't remember).
>I remember that 
>    10 FOR I=1 TO 1000:NEXT I
>used to be the near-equivalent of a one second delay.  Actually,
>it depended on a number of factors, but close enough.

>So, on the 486, that loop took two seconds.  How about on your machine?
>tom

Well, it seems like it takes less tha 1 second. I changed the loop to
i=1 to 10000, and that takes about 6 seconds. This is a 386dx-33.

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From: cbyrd@archimedes.WPI.EDU (Christopher Jonath Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: Disk Images
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:32:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: archimedes.wpi.edu

Hello everyone, I am sorry if this question has been asked before, but I just
found this emulator and I was wondering if anyone could give me any help as
to how to take my old apple disks and turn them into images.
Any help is greatly appreciated.


					-Thanks
					 Chris Byrd

my e-mail address is cbyrd@wpi.wpi.edu, send responses there(preffered) or
just post them here.