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From: peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite)
Subject: Kids songs (was: Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree)
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 17:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.143014.13110@fys.ruu.nl> johnston@fys.ruu.nl (Helen Johnston) writes:
>In article <37706@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>>
>>I remebember singing the following song whilst attending primary
>>school in Melbourne in the mid-late 70's.  Anyone else remember
>>it...?
>You realize you can sing it as a four part round? Great fun. And I don't
>know whether the following is an "official" second verse or not, but I
>definitely remember singing it!
>
>	Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
>	Eating all the gumnuts he can see
>	Stop, kookaburra! stop, kookaburra!
>	Leave some there for me!

I'd like to know the words to a couple more songs so I can sing them to our
newly born daughter -- at least get some memories of Australia to her before
the North American TV hits her.  Long ago, when I first started school in
Deniliquin (Sloan St), I remember a couple of lines from songs that used to
emanate from the grey hexagonally framed loudspeakers that carried the ABC
from the headmaster's office to the classroom.  One of them had the lines
something like...

	The river sang softly to the leaves on the tree,
	Oh take me, Oh take me,	On a journey with thee.

and I think the other was the theme song of the "Kindergarten of the Air"
which started with...

	Girls and boys come out to play,
	The moon is shining as bright as day,
	Leave your supper, forget your ???
	Come along and join ????

I'd really appreciate it if someone could tell me the rest of the words, or
direct me to a book that has these (and other songs) in it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite)
Subject: NAFTA -- dont do it!!
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 18:19:57 GMT

On the CBC news this morning it was reported that Australia and New Zealand
were watching the progress of the NAFTA negotiations closely because both
countries were very interested in being part of the deal.  The report also
mentioned that Chile could hardly wait to sign up.

Is this true?  I hope not.  After watching some of the things that happen
between Canada and the US under the free trade agreement signed here I'm
coming to the conclusion that the USA does not play fair.

Witness the recent decision to impose tarifs on Canadian beer sales to the US
because the province of Ontario decided to structure pricing so as to make it
more advantageous for beer to be sold in recyclable containers.  According to
the US this is a deliberate attempt to price US beer manufacturers out of the
Ontario market, presumably because it costs too much for the US manufacturers
to ship their empties back south.

Its just another example of how the "level playing field" can be used to
squash effective environmental measures.
From: s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: NAFTA -- dont do it!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:27:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.181957.24033@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, 
peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:
> On the CBC news this morning it was reported that Australia and New Zealand
> were watching the progress of the NAFTA negotiations closely because both
> countries were very interested in being part of the deal.  The report also
> mentioned that Chile could hardly wait to sign up.
> 
> Is this true?  I hope not.  After watching some of the things that happen
> between Canada and the US under the free trade agreement signed here I'm
> coming to the conclusion that the USA does not play fair.
> 
> Its just another example of how the "level playing field" can be used to
> squash effective environmental measures.
-- 
Where on earth did this 'level playing field' idea come from anyway???
Australia or more precisely, the Australian government, has bought it hook,
line and sinker!

It is blatantly apparent that Australia is the only country amongst our trading
partners actually attempting to expose our economy fully to outside
competition,  almost no other economy is so stupid!  Whilst I do believe that
we need to 'free up' our economy, I think that we need to do so in a way that
nurtures our industries.  Instead we just throw them into deep water and watch
them sink.

So how do you get a small business going? A. Move a big one to Australia and
wait.

Jane Anna Langley
s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
University of Melbourne, Institute of Education
Melbourne, Australia.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:12:57 GMT

In article <john.715906656@citr.uq.oz.au> john@citr.uq.oz.au (John Gottschalk) writes:
|tonnison@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (james tonnison) writes:
|
|>> harder for African farmers. The enormous overproduction in EEC and USA
|>> is one of the main reasons the African foodproduction is so miserable.
|>> Still the subsidy are a shame.
|>> 
|>"enormous overproduction"?! Guess that dispels the myth that the
|>worlds population is too large to feed itself and we need population
|>control.
|
|I have always heard that there is plenty of food in the world to feed all
|adequately. The problems are 
|
|	* distributing it to the hungry, 
|	* wealthy (e.g. western countries) eating more than they need to 

I propose a solution. Why not make it a law that no left over food shall be
produced by anyone. Everyone is required to eat all the food that he/she
has on his/her plate any time except on Saturday and Sunday (so they can 
have dinner parties as well). Infringement of this regulation carries a 
penalty of $100 or x months jail (similar to traffic offences). This will
make people think twice before putting on their plates more than they can 
eat. More food will be conserved and hence lower price which hopefully 
will help eliminate/reduce famine in Africa.


| 	* many poor countries not being able to afford the food
|	* war, especially in Africa where some famines have occurred
|	because war displace the farmers, rather than famine being
|	a result of drought


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: could these be the ORIGINAL Waltzing Matilda lyrics?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 06:01:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Personally, I like the reference to "wombat holes" in Banjo
Patterson's THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER. That sure warnt in the
movie!!
-- 
Ted....
From: egn@sinix.UUCP (Hr.Naepflein/PHILOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: HELP for planning trip
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:07:12 GMT
Organization: PHILOSYS Software GmbH, Unterschleissheim, Germany



Hi Australians and fans of Australia,

currently I am planning a trip to Australia with my family (wife, child)
for october next year. We intent to travel all over Australia including
Tasmania within 5 - 6 months. The plan is to start in Sydney going up
to MacLean NSW (I have a uncle there), Mount Isa, Katherine, Broome,
Wittenoom, Hamelin, Perth, Albany, Eucla, Cooper Pedy, Adelaide, Melbourne,
Devonport, Launceston, Hobart, Launceston, Melbourne and back to Sydney.
As you can see its effectivly a trip around Australia, without the
north east (we were already there, it was great). 
We want to buy a 4WD car and stay overnight in caravan parks, pubs and
[hm]otels. We want to stay longer (more than 1 week) on one location
in Broome in a resort, on a farm somewhere in Western Australia 
and may be on Tasmania.

As you can see, this is a real long journey. We would appreciate your
help by giving us recommendations for interesting spots to visit on
our route, where to stop, where to stay overnight and where to stay
longer.
Here is a list of other valuable information we need:

1. How expensive is a 2 - 3 year old 4WD car, or the other way around
   what can I get for AUD 30.000? The car should be reliable for 30.000 km
   and large enough for 3 passengers and their luggage.

2. What brand and type do you recommend? Diesel or gasoline motor?

3. Where can I get good road maps?

4. What bank should we use for depositing money to get cash 
   all over Australia?

5. Is there a mobile phone service in Australia? Is it working all over
   the country? How expensive is it? Is it worth to buy one or can
   I rent one for 6 months?

6. Where can I get information on accommodation in pubs and on farms?
   How expensive is it?

7. What ferry should we use to Tasmania?

We would be happy if you can give us answers, at least to some of our
questions. Btw we will be not the first time in Australia, we were
already two times there (6 weeks and 12 weeks) and we liked it.
Effectively we are great fans of Australia, reading and viewing
everything we can get about people, nature and history.
We are also visiting the "Deutsch-Australischer-Stammtisch", which is
a bi-weekly informal meeting of people here in Munich which lived
in Australia, want to live in Australia in the future (we) 
and other fans of Australia (we). Normaly 20 - 30 people are meeting there.
If somebody on our travel route is interested in being visited
and in talking with a normal german family send me a mail. We will be
glad to meet you.

That was all for now, thanx for reading this far.


Waiting for your responses

Emil

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: sjackman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Simon D. Jackman)
Subject: Re: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:30:36 GMT

In article <6350@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>George Bush has recently announced an expansion of the agricultural Export
>Enhancement Program (EEP) to US$3 billion.  This action is expected to cost
>Australia's efficient and unsubsidised farmers up to A$750 million in lost
>export earnings.
>
>It's fascinating to think that the USA, the land of the free market and free
>enterprise, sees nothing wrong with agrarian socialism.  It looks as though

Not everyone in the United States thinks farm subsidies are good
things.. though maybe it is just ex-pat Aussies aware of what it does to
Oz farmers, and Chicago economists.

Just disappointing that while Clinton is talking about universal health
care here (hooray), he is also pandering to the damned farmers.  Even
more amazing is the farmer who I saw on TV here saying they really feel
bad about taking subsidies, would prefer that government left them alone
to do what they do best (farm), but that gee isn't a shame that we've
grown so dependent on these nasty horrible subsidies etc etc, better
keep 'em coming though.  At the same time this crap goes to air NO-ONE
in this country seems to be aware of the implications of US domestic
policy on countries elsewhere (though the OZ farmer's protests when Bush
was there did make a bit of a splash, though short-lived).  At the samew
time they just signed this deal with Mexico and Canada (free-trade -
read free exploitation of Mexican workers, less US jobs, more pollution
around the Rio Grande) and no one gives a bugger.  Too worried about
Woody and Mia, Fergie and Di, etc etc

Now I feel better, too...
 
Cheers - Simon Jackman (Australian Spring Tour starts in a week... thank
you Continental for not going under before I cashed in my frequent flyer
miles)
From: kliddelow@acorn.co.uk (Kim Liddelow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: re: Notice To Quit - Queensland Laws?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:04:55 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

I don't understand. Fair enough, it may be
inconvenient for you, but its not your house.

Once you have received legal notification in
writing, why won't you move?

Kim
From: dbooth@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (david booth)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:14:45 GMT
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian

Get this drivel off of the soc.culture.australian newsgroup. Apart
from the fact that it has nothing to do with the topic of this group,
I also, and other do to, find it abhorent to be bombarded by religious
diatribes when trying to pursue regular topical discussions.

DB

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams)
Subject: Re: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:15:05 GMT

moorerr@msu.edu (richard r. moore) writes:

>But realize that we are in a very dirty presidential campaign.  And 
>president bush is loosing right now acording to the polls.  Surely, your 
>prime ministers have made promises (or even passed sweetheart budgets) 
>shortly before calling an election.

Yes, our politicians are at least as bad as George Bush when it comes to
doing culpable things to win elections. Currently we are paying for a
State Bank that went bust partly because the Premier of the state
manipulated its lending policy to fix elections.

Unfortunately (fortunately), Australia isn't in a position to wreck the 
world for short-term political gain. Also, we have this convention that
once an election date has been set, the government goes into caretaker
mode and the executive can only make decisions in an emergency. In the
US, where the election date is set forever in advance, this would be a
wonderful convention which would improve your government no end. :-)

cheers,




Australia can only hope that the U.S. voter is not fooled. 
--
Mark Williams         The University of Queensland       miw@cc.uq.edu.au
+61 7 36 54012   (w)  Prentice Centre
+61 7 36 54477  (fax) Qld 4072  Australia
Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.  -- Seneca
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Thank You
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:19:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20208
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

For all those kind hearted people who responded to my query on
Canberra, I extend my heartiest thanx.

S.H
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
Subject: Re: current status of australia ?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.194036.9820@a.cs.okstate.edu> saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL) writes:
>What is the current status of australia ?
>	-	britsh colony
>	-	independent country
>	-	???

U.S. dependency. ;)

(Actually an independent country with a constitutional monarchy. The
monarch just happens, quite coincidentally you understand, to be the
monarch of Canada and of Northern Ireland and Great Britain... The
British government has less to do (now) with how Australia is governed
and run than the US government!)

	Chris
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Biochemistry Dept., Box 440                     /o           `   Favourite
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Charlottesville, Va 22908   (804)924-8210         \>~~~~~~z7
Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4220 soc.culture.hongkong:10657 soc.culture.asean:6045
From: kong@neumann.une.edu.au (Wu Min Tsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Testing only
Keywords: Test
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:01:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian

Hi, Please ignore this just testing !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: sgraym02@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: re: Notice To Quit - Queensland Laws?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:40:47 GMT

In article <18411@acorn.co.uk>, kliddelow@acorn.co.uk (Kim Liddelow) writes:
> I don't understand. Fair enough, it may be
> inconvenient for you, but its not your house.

	Most states here (I'm in Western Australia) while recognising
	that the owner or property manager has the right to evict tenants
	from their abodes, give the tenants limited rights with respect to
	things like under what circumstances tenants can be evicted and the 
	minimum amount of notice that tenants can be given to move.

> 
> Once you have received legal notification in
> writing, why won't you move?
> 
> Kim

	However, the question is not whether the dude will move but 
	whether his inconsiderate landlord can give him 13 days notice
	to get out.  As to why he should avoid having to get out in 13
	days:  Anyone who rents will understand the joy that suffuses
	people when they cart most of their worldly goods from one place to
	another and that having to do so in the middle of a semester 
	(with exams perhaps if you happen to be an undergraduate 7 or 8 
	weeks away) is particularly attractive ! 
	
	(to be read with tongue firmly planted in left cheek)
	
	I hope that answers your questions, basically the law attempts
	to defend tenants from bastard landlords/owners.  With how much
	success the law acts here I'm not sure, I seem to have avoided
	most of the bastard landlords around here.[ so far :)]

	-------------------------------------

	Mark Gray
	3rd year Physics
	Curtin University of Technology
	
	grayma@cipal.cs.curtin.edu.au

	-------------------------------------
From: saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: current status of australia ?
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:40:36 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

What is the current status of australia ?
	-	britsh colony
	-	independent country
	-	???

-- 

Faisel Saeed

Computer Science Department,   Oklahoma State University,   Stillwater, OK
From: jrb@unssun.nevada.edu (John Becker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Moving to Australia
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:15:44 GMT
Reply-To: jrb@unssun.UUCP (John Becker)
Distribution: soc.culture.australian soc.culture.new-zealand soc.culture.brittish
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno


Hello!

I'm looking into the possibility of moving to Australia in the 
near future to work as a programmer/analyst (DataFlex/COBOL) and 
have a few questions about Australia.
 
(I'm having trouble reaching the soc.culture.australian newsgroup
so I'm cross-posting this to other commonwealth countries.)

Is it difficult to gain a permanant resident status or citizenship?

What is the cost of living for such things as:
A 1 or 2 bedroom apartment (flat)
food
gasoline 
computer  
entertainment

Is there an extra duty or tax on personal property that I bring
with me such as a car, stereo, tennis racket?

How does one qualify for the "general exemption" tax rate?

Cost of classes at a college or university?
Are there admission requirements/qualifications?
 
What are people really like in Australia?
How do Australians feel about Americans?
What are the women like there?

I've read that there are a lot of ethnic groups in Australia.
Do the ethnic groups get along and intermingle, or do they
just keep to themselves?

Lastly, how is the weather?

Please feel free to add any comments you may have.  Any replys will
be appreciated.

Thanks, 

John
jrb@unssun.nevada.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: d10652@tanus.oz.au (Paul Parker)
Subject: Sydney Harbour Tunnel -Most
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 21:40:26 GMT


>Message-ID: #83.tanus.soc/australia 852 chars. (4 more)
>From: LOGIN@cbnewsd.cb.att.com
KSubject: Re: Sydney Harbour Tunnel
>Organization: AT&T
>Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:34:28 GMT

delete,delete,delete..

>*Most* governments are that riddled with incompetents!    0.5 :-)

Was "that" really  necessary ?

Regards,
          Paul
  INET: d10652@tanus.cec.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Info on universities
From: kaytes@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Kregg Aytes)
Date: 8 Sep 1992 11:34 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


I am a Ph.D. candidate here in the US, currently working on my
dissertation. I have considered pursuing a faculty position in Australia
(per the advice of one of my Australian colleages here). I have found out
about all I can from my friend and the university's library, and I was
wondering if any of you might be able to give me some more information,
such as:

- which of the OZ universities have the better business (commerce) schools?

- what, generally, is the academic market like there now (particularly for
a US citizen specializing in Management Information Systems)?

- from a quality of life and community perspective, which
cities/universities are most attractive.

- *ANY* other information you might give me.

I hope that some of you will take the time to send me a few lines - it is
information such as this that is difficult to obtain from anyone other than
those who are (or have been) there.

Thanks,
Kregg Aytes
KAYTES@BPA.ARIZONA.EDU

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH)
Subject: Re: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:59:10 GMT

In article <9225314.10244@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>
>>George Bush has recently announced an expansion of the agricultural Export
>>Enhancement Program (EEP) to US$3 billion.  This action is expected to cost
>>Australia's efficient and unsubsidised farmers up to A$750 million in lost
>                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>export earnings.
>
>Thanks to the Indonesians, the figure is now only A$230 million less as
>the Indonesian government announced that it will NOT take up cheaper US
>products, and will keep importing A$230 million of Australian wheat.
>
>This healthy relationship was mainly (accordingly to political commentators
>of ABC) due to Paul Keating's Indonesian tour in April.
>
>However, I think we've lost the Northeast Asian markets like Korea and
>Japan.
>
>Let's thank Bush for winning the election at the expense of other
>countries' sufferings.
>
Er, let's thank Bush for TRYING to win the election at the expense of
other countries' suffering.  He is *still* losing in the polls (whatever
that's worth), and the farming subsidy vote is by no means going to make
an instantaneous 20% of the country change to his side.

Of course, the campaign doesn't REALLY get nasty for a while yet.

Mel


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