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From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.bogus.group
Subject: Re: The name "alt.m&k" contains an illegal character.
Keywords: fnord
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:59:24 GMT
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario

In article <Bxr78u.H6s@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|Followups are set to alt.config.
|
|In article <1992Nov15.073958.5274@alf.uib.no> magnus@ii.uib.no writes:
|
|>	Tim> can.  If you'd like to try to perpetuate the feeling that
|>	Tim> alt is a sewer, and shouldn't be bothered with, be my
|>	Tim> guest.  I think that the existing state of *complete*
|>	Tim> anarchy only harms everyone concerned.
|>
|>altnet is something of a chaos, yes. But it has its own inherent
|>structure.
|
|It has nothing of the sort -- that's the point I'm trying to make.
|All I'm asking is that before people create groups that they intend to
|use, they post a note saying, "Hey, folks -- I'm creating
|alt.such-and-such."  I'll go for it.  I'll suggest alternative names
|(especially if the proposed group creates a new top-level hierarchy),
|and sometimes I become unnecessarily dogmatic about the issues.  But I
|don't turn down any group that I have seen announced in alt.config.
|
|I don't see that as being a great thing to ask, nor as something which
|destroys the spontaneity for which people love alt, and it cuts down
|considerably on the number of pointless groups that get created.


	Once again there arises this concept of
	"pointless", as if everyone shared your
	point of view so closely that naturally
	they will agree.


	I noticed that in the beginning of the
	Manhattan phone book there is a section
	which invites people to register with
	the "Naming Commission", so that little-
	used names might be eliminated in time
	and the phone book would thereby become
	a more effective resource.


|>Btw - do you read and post
|>to altnet groups at all except this one?
|
|Yes.  If you're asking whether I care about alt and its structure, I
|wouldn't be doing this if I didn't.


	Since alt exists specifically as an anarchy,
	everyone is free to enact their own notion
	of what its structure might be (including
	none whatever).  Moreover, it is not going
	to stay the same, no matter whose definitions
	seem to apply at any given moment.  It's
	probably more accurate to say that there are
	at least as many "alt"'s as there are newsgroups
	in it, and attempts to treat it as a unitary
	objest are not likely to have much practical
	effect.


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker			Toronto, Ontario
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.pugwash, concerned people?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:57:15 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

dsklarew@igc.apc.org (Daniel Sklarew) writes:
> Where did the discussion go on alt.pugwash?

People decided it was a bad idea.  In case you missed the reasons last time,
I guarantee that if you create a group called "alt.pugwash" it will be filled
with discussion of the cult children's TV show "Captain Pugwash", and that
you'll be faced with discussions like "Was there really a character called
Seaman Staines?" and "Is 'Pugwash' really a bit of obscure sexual slang?"

> Unlike many newsgroups which focus on a single topic of science,
> technology and society, alt.pugwash would aim to be interdisciplinary,
> a forum for discussing big and deep "Tough Questions" facing our society
> today.
> 
> So, how about it --- what do people think?

I think the name sucks.


mathew
-- 
Civilization is just a temporary failure of entropy.

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.saturday.night.live
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:05:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.134129.7569@julian.uwo.ca> bedford@asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Darryl Bedford) writes:

>>        If it is possible could you please start a newsgroup for
>>me and could you call it Alt.Saturday.Night.Live
>
>Well, is there demand for a.s.n.l.?

No, but there might be some demand for alt.tv.snl.  Or even
alt.tv.sat-night-live, if abbreviations are really anathema to you.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: werewolf newsgroup, how I found vampires...
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:09:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.123313.1857@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_coolidgejs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> In article <!@@@#%$@#$&$&^&$???>, mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>   
>> For those interested, I just issued a newgroup for alt.horror.werewolves.
>> It should be making its way to your site in the next day or so.
>   
>> TTFN,
>> M
> 
> I guess the newsgroup name alt.oh.no.it's.happening fell through.  :) 
> Seriously, I'm glad it came together.  Now we don't have to bug the vampyre
> people anymore.  Seryously,
>       Will the newsgroup appear magically in my newsrc program on my VAX
> account?  Or will I have to delete it and get a new newsrc?  Or, is there the
> possibility that my site won't carry it?  (I read something about an alt.wolves
> newsgroup.  I have not seen it, or else I would have been on it some time ago.)
> 
Yeah - you might have to get it added to your newsgroup list by talking to
your freindly neighborhood newsreader. It might take a little writing and
looking to find him/her but I think it's well worth it. It isn't really too
tough. It just takes a little time.
-Jordan
Xref: sparky alt.config:7001 alt.discordia:393
From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.discordia
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Alt.Spam
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:09:34 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <1992Nov16.171923.20399@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>sounds like a haven for monty python quoters.

Perhaps some.  But we members of the Church of Ubizmo (the true, or "Spam"
sect), will view it as a wonderful "bully pulpit" from which to harangue
the multitudes into acceptance of the true faith and to encompass the
confusion of the heretics of the "vegetable sect".

For those not yet directly affected by the Ubizmatic Schism, I will
summarize.  When the populace reviled Whoopy Frangeezi, the only-begotten
nephew of the Great and Horrible God UBIZMO, they pelted him (WF) with
well-aimed chunks of Spam.  The heretics persistently and obstinately
assert that these missiles were actually vegetables rather than Spam.

The undeniable fact that the heretical Vegetable cult is much larger
than the true (or "Spammist") faith has no bearing on the relative
credibility of the two branches.  I refer the concerned seeker of truth to
the Book of Ubizmo (Spammist translation), which clearly and explicitly
delineates the correct view of this theological point, and, as do all
translations, asserts that everything written in the Book of Ubizmo is
the Truth of the Universe, putting it beyond the realm of argument.

For those concerned about the correctness and completeness of this
exposition, I refer you to the leadership of HASA (the Heathen and
Atheist Scum Alliance), which granted associate membership to Ubizmatists
of every stripe (including, unfortunately, even the execrable Vegetables).

I will give everyone a break and refrain from muddying the waters further
by bringing in talk.bizarre for a further character reference.

-- 
	Jim Gillogly
	U.S. National Debt: $4,135,570,343,473
	Your Share: $16,169
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: suopanki@stekt4.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Proposal : alt.tv.liquid-tv (Liquid Television)
Reply-To: heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland
	<1992Nov21.162753.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 13:05:14 GMT

>>>>> On 21 Nov 92 16:27:53 MST, f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) said:

> I'm not aware of how well MTV propagates outside of the U.S., but if
> it doesn't reach many places outside of our shores, I would suggest
> us.tv.liquid-tv, if not simply us.tv.mtv.
Greg> MTV propagates very well internationally.  There are branches in Europe
Greg> and Japan (I've seen the Japanese variant), and it's identified by most
Greg> people there as being uniquely "American" like Coca-Cola or McDonald's.

As far as I know "Liquid TV" is not shown on the European MTV (I may
be wrong, I'm not a MTV addict). In fact the US MTV and the European
MTV (and other(?) MTVs) don't have very much in common, they only have
the same name. 


-Heikki
Xref: sparky alt.config:7089 sci.psychology:4433
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.config,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Time to Decide on the Name (was Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:09:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) says:
>
>It is resoundingly clear that we should go ahead and create the newsgroup
>on the alt.* hierarchy, and that it should be a generic newsgroup to cover all

One problem with the alt.* hierarchy is that not all sites can read alt.*
groups.  

>To start discussion, let me whittle down this list to my preferred ones:
>
>alt.personality-types
>alt.personality.types
>
>alt.psychology.personality
>alt.psychology.personality.types

Any of these names would be good.  Perhaps looking at the possible related
fields that readers will be coming from would help, such as psychology,
education, anthropology, even the arts.  I mentioned these four as examples
because they are the four areas that I am interested in.  There are, of
course, many other areas that would relate to personality types.  After 
typing the previous sentences, I would lean toward 

alt.personality.types

This might give the most flexibility.

>Jon Noring  ('INFJ')

*Paul Fortman  (INFP)
 a.k.a. Pooh Bare

>------->   I VOTED FOR PEROT IN '92

I voted against Bush in '92
-- 
fortmapl@dayton.bitnet
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
From: mcsba1wsb@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: RE: PROPOSAL: ALT.FAN FANTASY
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:50:35 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Would someone please set up an alt.fantasy newsgroup.  Any authors that fit in
both groups can be posted to either or both if it keeps people happy.  If we
could get some info on it soon it would be helpful.
				Wendy !!!!!!
			(Multiple !!!!!!!!!! are a sign of insanity -
						       That's why I use them!!)
Xref: sparky alt.config:7047 alt.activism.d:4202 talk.environment:4639
From: jamesh@aisb.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.activism.d,talk.environment
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.politics.green-party
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:02:41 GMT
Reply-To: jamesh@aisb.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <Bxu2vE.4EA@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.210214@aifh.ed.ac.uk> jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton) writes:
>
>>In article <4007@randvax.rand.org>, jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) writes:
>>
>># That said, I don't see the need for distinction between *.green and
>># *.green-party, since the point of the Green Party is environmental
>># political activism (isn't it?).
>>
>>... Green Politics is not just about the environment, it's about
>>social justice, human rights, democracy and peace ...
>>...
>>My feeling, therefore, is that there should be an alt.politics.green
>>newsgroup, 
>>but not a separate alt.politics.green-party, and that this group should cover
>>green politics and ecology in all it's forms.
>
>If I can remind you all of Jym's original posting for just a second
>here:
>
>! =+= I propose the name alt.politics.green-party rather than
>! the simpler alt.politics.green, since the media (in the U.S.,
>! at least) uses "green" for anything vaguely ecological.  The
>! more explicit name will hopefully keep folks from thinking
>! it's another talk.environment type of newsgroup.
>
>In light of this, I think all of the comments above are extremely
>bogus.

Actually you do have a point here, the label 'Green' is now being
very widely misused( I was speaking of what it meant before the fuss
about ozone layer and greenhouse effect came to light and what Greens
mean by the word Green). Maybe alt.politics.ecology? though I am now
not against alt.politics.green-party due to that being closer to 'Green
Politics' than the current usage of the label.My preference is towards
the more general label of alt.politics.ecology though.


James
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger)
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Organization: University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:00:23 GMT

In article <Bxs1y9.8tK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes:
>
>Don't you wish.  If you're going to propose new r-l groups, make sure
>you consider what will be left for a.f.r-l, because it's going to be
>around forever, just like every other alt.* group.  Rmgroups don't
>work in alt.*.  I suggest leaving the politics group off the new
>groups list, and using the original group for that.

This attitude really irks me.  Groups *are* rmgroup'able in alt.  Not
all sites pay attention to rmgroups, but those who care about the
ongoing viability of alt do.  Let the other sites fill up with tons of
garbage groups.  Eventually those sites will have to deal with the
problem when their software or hardware can no longer handle the load.

rmgroups (not John Palmers :-) *are* honored at our site.  So are
rmgroups posted to alt.config.  Of course, like newgroups, this depends
on what is being rm'd.

=============================================================================
-Mike Kienenberger                       FXMLK@ALASKA           (BITNet)
 Academic Computing                      FXMLK@acad3.alaska.edu (Internet)
 News Administrator                      mike@raven.alaska.edu (also news@)
 University of Alaska-Fairbanks
 "I'm a computer programmer....<link><link><kludge><kludge> say-no-more!"
Xref: sparky alt.config:7116 alt.discordia:428
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.discordia
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Alt.Spam
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:05:57 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <y7uDuB1w165w@cybrspc.UUCP>, roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> 
>> I once had blackened SPAM, seriously.
> 
> Could you be more specific?  Did you seriously have blackened SPAM, or
> did you have seriously blackened SPAM?
> 
> To most, this is a trivial difference.  But, to a SPAMite........

I wouldn't call it seriously blackened because only a little blackening was
applied.

One thing that I have completely forgotten to mention was that some of my
friends and I have created a fraternity called SPAM, or Sigma Pi Alpha Mu. 
Basically the only requirement for membership is the ability to "goof off", I
may wind up being kicked out because of all the work I been doing this
semester.  

We have had a plan to distribute flyers around campus in a mock fund raising
effort for the Foundation for the Prevention of Natural Causes (seeing as how 
natural causes are the leading cause of death), but we haven't organized that
yet.

The same person who cooked the blackened SPAM is also a member of the SPAM
fraternity.  He refers to himself as Kaiser Von Bert, he has also proclaimed
himself Emporer, over what I have no idea.  To counter this I have proclaimed
an anarchy wherever I happen to be.  I also told him about the Church of SPAM
and he didn't seem too thrilled about it.  I'm not sure what the qualifications
for being the Anti-SPAM are but he might be worth checking up on.

							Sincerely,
							Lieutenant Wilkes
From: system@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: moving alt.vampyres -> alt.horror.vampyres
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:16:10 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I disapprove too.

Tacking 'horror' onto alt.vampyres (or into), turns in into a B-movie/folklore
group which is what alt.vampyres was not supposed to be. Alt.vampyres was more
a group for the sub-culture, rather then a place to just talk about movies,
books, your uncle bob who dressed up as dracula on halloween. It was instead
started to exchange poetry, ideals, experiences, suggestions, places of contact
etc...

The horror group seems to be for those who are not really into it, but just
curious, which is fine, and if one was started, fine. But most of the people
who use alt.vampyres probably have fangs...
<X>

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
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Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 13:05:26 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

phaedrus@halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus) writes:

> One vote for.  (Would a werewolf get to cast two votes? :)

Who would try and STOP it? [A vampyre?] ;-[

-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
  This .sig unintentionally left blank.

Hello! I'm a .SIG Virus. Copy me and spread the fun.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.saturday.night.live
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:42:06 GMT

In article <axolotl.722047680@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:

>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
> >No, but there might be some demand for alt.tv.snl.  Or even
> >alt.tv.sat-night-live, if abbreviations are really anathema to you.
>
>Any reason why this should be in alt.* and not us.*?

No, indeed.  That's a good point.  The only reason I can think of is
if SNL has a large following outside of the U.S., which seems to me
possible but unlikely.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: nking@unix1.tcd.ie (Nev's family recipe)
Subject: Re: NewGroup ALT.LOVEBOAT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:07:30 GMT

In <92327.230218BTM105@psuvm.psu.edu> BTM105@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>How about alt.loveboat for a newsgroup?


You big SADDIE.

Nev

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: The name "alt.m&k" contains an illegal character.
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:34:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.170204.23635@tc.cornell.edu> mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:

>>PS Every fan reading this: mail your favourite poem to 
>>
>>	twpierce@unix.amherst.edu
>
>Thou Timmest of the Tims
>In Thy Humble Name we envoke Thee;
>Createth Thou Our Propos-ed Group,
>And We Shall Forever Adore Thee.

God.  It could be Amherst's anthem.  I puke.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr)
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.tv.chips!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:20:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.062651.1926@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tmiller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Christian Miller) writes:
>Someone please, CREATE alt.tv.chips!!!
>
>No, I'm really serious.  Across the nation and especially in the LA area,
>everyone's favorite disco patrol is popping up everywhere on every station.
>It's not uncommon to find seven, ten, even fifteen showings a week on
>various local, national, and cable networks.  Evidently, those taken aback
>by and/or enamored with PC '90's culture have found some nostalgia for the
>'80's where smiling buxom women offered intrigue to the knights of the highway
>who rode their mighty patrol bicycles through the nation's bloodstream.
>The hot California wind tugged at their hair, held securely under their
>helmets, as they moved down the road in search of new adventure.  Oddly
>enough, it was usually adventure that found our two brave heroes.  Whether
>this adventure came in the form of a toxic spill across the highway, a sleazy
>chop shop, or a night out on the town to deliver babies in a discotheque
>(not to mention other early '80's fads such as ultralights, daily-commute
>drag races, and new-age self-help philosophy), the officers would never turn
>down a damsel in distress (especially a blonde, well-endowed one)
>
>So what DO y'all say? Anybody ready to create this group?

Um, just a quick question... have you tried discussing CHiPs in any of the
existing television newsgroups?
Xref: sparky alt.config:7220 alt.religion.kibology:4878 alt.sex:37270 alt.postmodern:2744 alt.good.news:1045
From: osa@orville.unh.edu (Bart Simps.. er.. Oktay Ahiska)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.postmodern,alt.good.news
Subject: Re: NewGroup ALT.LOVEBOAT
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:49:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.postmodern,alt.good.news
Organization: Springfield Elementary School
X-Advertisement: Use Emacs
Comments: What has posterity ever done for me?

"-" == James "Kibo" Parry <kibo@world.std.com> writes:
-> Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.postmodern,alt.good.news

-> In article <92327.230218BTM105@psuvm.psu.edu> <BTM105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>How about alt.loveboat for a newsgroup?

-> Not unless you let me create alt.tv.small-wonder, alt.tv.woops,
-> alt.tv.dangerous-women, alt.tv.amazing-discoveries, alt.tv.cop-rock, 
-> alt.tv.the-grudge-match, and alt.tv.tennessee-tuxedo-christmas-special.

Lest we forget alt.tv.charlie's.angels!!! 


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Newsgroups: alt.config