HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mandel@jumprun (Hector Mandel)
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:43:43 GMT

smlacke@isrc.sandia.gov (Scott M Lackey) writes:
: From article <BvE7ty.I6I@virtech.uucp>, by mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith):
: > 
: >              rounds                  squares                 aad
: >         #jumps     #mal         #jumps      #mal       saves      #mal
: > Mark	  10        0              450        1          0         2
: > Pete       0        0             1300        0
: > Philip    50        1             1200        8
: > Pierre    45        0             1200        0
: > Vilhuber   0        0              115        0
: > 
: 	[etc...]
: 	I don't mean to put a damper on this, but how significant can this
: total be?  I mean, to be stastically valid, the data needs to be
: representative of the jumping population.  There's got to be a highly
: negative correlation between malfunctions and still being around to
: talk about it on the net.
: 
: P.S.        rounds

I don't buy your objection for basically two reasons:

      1)  A very large number of fatalities are *not related* to malfunctions,
          but rather low pull or no pull (look at the incident reports), and
      2)  A sizeable fraction of the fatalities involve student with very 
          few jumps.

I think this excercise is quite useful and is yielding significant results. 
While the data may be sqewed by the fact that only people with the aptitude
to be able to figure out how to use a computer and post messages in Usenet
newsgroups are contributing to the database, they *do* show that malfunction
rates are very low indeed.  I suspect that non-jumping readers of this
newsgroup might find it very interesting to see just how many jumpers there
are who have more than a thousand jumps without a malfunction.

I think this type of a discussion is much more meaningful than 
comparing fatality rates among different sports and other human activities.
Such comparisons, based on the National Safety Council's tables, represents 
a misuse of the data and only serves to confuse the issues.  The fact is
that one cannot rely on comparisons between traffic fatality rates and 
skydiving fatality rates to gain a realistic appreciation of the risks.  It 
doesn't make sense; they are very different kinds of activities with very
different risk factors.
From: esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: jump numbers
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:21:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Oct5.152108.14404


	rounds	mals		square	mals
Ej	   2     0               ~750    1


Direct cause:
Couldn't find handle for throwout. 

The story:
Late in the day, after serious 4way teaming. Breakoff had been low all day and 
we were usually pushing 2grand container opening. Went to dump after a 
pretty terible dive, and my handle was not hanging outside the throw out 
pocket as expected. I reached in for it, and still couldn't find it. Figured
I was passing thru 15ish at that point and decided the silver handle was 
the best way to go. 

Funny ending:
Found myself sitting under my reserve at nearly 2500 feet. Dive had broken off 
high because it had sucked so bad. Forgot all about that when the shit started 
going bad. Oh well...


Ej
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From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: Beer (Was: Re: Our daily philosophy question)
Keywords: beer
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:15:19 GMT

horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:
>
>There are two things that you can count on from me at a Drop Zone:
>	a) I won't drink anyone else's beer
>	b) I won't buy the beer (unless it's root beer).

	Fine with me, bring some FOOD instead.  You want
	to see skydivers swoop, just show up with some potato
	chips and pretzels and watch the feeding frenzy.... 

	Robin

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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: EXPERIENCE
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:56:03 GMT

In article <86zY02rx24OE01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> drf40@cd.amdahl.com writes:
>
>		EXPERIENCE - 10/2/92
>
>	Splash of the wind, against the face.
>		Looking up to security, down toward the ground.
>			Suspended in animation, a surge of adrenaline.
>				Gutted sensations, devoid of reason.
>		
>				Fascination for flight.
>			Sensory overload.
>		Shock to the system.
>	Skydiving.	

Doug, you say "death to all smilies" cause you don't like
"cute things" ?  Straighten this guy out      

<insert favorite "cute smiley" here>
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Ejection (NOT!)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:19:57 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Sep28.011944.18676@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>I was just watching a pretty cool program on the Discovery Channel about
>the X-15 test airplane program of the late 60's. One of the test pilots
>was killed when the craft broke up in flight. The narrator had a great line,
>I wish I'd caught the exact words he used, something to effect that:
>
>The test plane was [plummeting towards the Earth/re-entering the artmosphere]
>at 160,000 feet per minute. Due to [such and such] forces, the pilot was 
>unable to eject.

Perhaps the fact that the X planes were not equiped with ejection seats and
that their pilots didn't have parachutes may have contributed to his 
not ejecting.




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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: used 28' round
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:42:47 GMT

In article <995.2AC4A36C@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
>Fido-To: alex curylo
>
>Tuesday September 22 1992, Alex Curylo writes to Romulus!trl.oz.au!l.lorrain:
>
> AC> Why doesn't your friend step up a bit and get paragliders? 

Mr. Poynter seems to think that _any_ parachute in tow is highly unpredictable
and dangerous, and thumbing through The Parachute Manual Vol. II the other
day, it seemed to me he finds that Paragliders in tow are much more so.

I'd quote Dan Poynter, but I'm not at home...

Anybody (U.K. types especially) care to dispute that?

>Thanks, but not what he wants.  He wants to make his own.  He has made them
>in the past, and is content to do so.

I was pretty surprised at the variety of Para-sail-type canopies available.
Many have specific wind restrictions, etc. etc.

Daniel: I prepared a lengthy response to your article about safety, I'll 
send/post it if there's interest, but you really ought to check out the
Parachute Manual Vol. II as everyone should (IMO). 

Tim
It's still light out, why am I not at the DZ?!
From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: EXPERIENCE
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:26:32 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

>>	Sorry about my post, guess I did get a little carried away by
>>expressing how skydiving felt to me. Shoulda posted it to some
>>rec.skydiving.emotional.smiley or something.  I can assure you that I
>>will never share my feelings with you guys again. It isn't healthy.
>
>Send it to me and Skratch.

And me!  We're not all beer crazed macho freaks, incapable of expressing
our feelings with anything more complicated than a shoulder punch!  (Just
some of us.)

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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:18:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.205154.26983@mercury.cair.du.edu>
  tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.153116.14978@eng.ufl.edu> esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson) writes:
>>Another strange thing reading this months parachutist, regarding
>>our favorite lurker. 
>>
>Ticked me off a bit

Agreed.  Did anyone else notice the odd paragraph about the initial 727
jump run?  "As the jet slowed to 205 mph, boogie coordinator Don Kirlin was
the first person to dive out the rear airstairs door."  Kinda makes it
sound like it was planned that way, doesn't it?  The author does use the
phrase "unexpected airspeed" later, but no mention is made of the botched
signals resulting in people leaving the aircraft on the "stand up" signal.
(As reported here and in _Skydiving_.  I wasn't there.)  "Later the engines
were cutback to 150 mph."  Indeed.  Wasn't that the idea in the first
place?

This just seemed like a badly written (and edited?) article.  It happens.
(On the other hand, it did sound like a nice boogie!)

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From: schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:03:25 GMT
Organization: none

In article <7120@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>
>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>
>Philip	50		1			1200		8

Gerhard  0              0                         82            0

                        (me, someday)
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= You GOTTA be KIDDING!!!! Are you OUT of your MIND?????? It's nothing but =
= the  <beep>  TRUTH!!!  (Sort of, anyway, I think. Er, have a nice day.)  =
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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

I don't think we should pay riggers for repacks anymore.  We'll just pay them
if we have to use the reserve.  That eliminates the dilemma.  Hell, I'll have
my reserve repacked every weekend.

If the pizza guy insists on a tip, he doesn't get one.

If I ever have a reserve ride, and I want to thank my rigger for saving my
life, I'll buy him a bottle, a case, or something.  But if he won't get off
my back until I do get his "tip" to him, I'll find another rigger.  But I won't
have that problem, because my rigger(s) are my friends, and they'd rather see
me buy a case for everyone to share, if I want.

Who goes through your pockets for beer money when you go in?

-- 
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drp40@cd.amdahl.com	      Who ever said they were perfectly good airplanes?
dpuchals@engin.umich.edu                    Aren't they all just hard landings?
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From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Malfunctions.
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:28:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.190005.6962@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>I would collect a short description (
>(don'tcha hate essay questions!!) of everyones mal's
>and paul can collect the pure stats. 

Well if you want to, fine.  But never underestimate the volumes of BS that you
might get if you ask a skydiver to start telling "There I was, thought I was
gonna die..." stories.

>Stats are good to know, and I think we could learn so
>much from the experience of others.

Exactly.  That's the whole purpose of this newsgroup and I support you doing
this, whole heartedly.  However, please don't fill up my spool directory with
the amount of info that you're going to get back.  Not that I'm saying skydivers
talk too much, no.  Far be it for me, a skydiver to say something so degrading
as that.  I would be more likely to say ... ;-)

>-Eric

- sparkie
horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:42:34 GMT

>
>Anyway, no reserve rides after 50 CRW jumps?  Now THAT is saying something!
>

Yeah, maybe it's saying you haven't docked yet!   :^)

Jus' kiddin' mark!
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: front mounts, was Re: Accident in North Carolina
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:59:35 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Oct2.171833.8374@cs.UAlberta.CA> sharpe@cs.UAlberta.CA (Al Sharpe) writes:
>In article <20330016@hpgrla.gr.hp.com> karenk@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Karen Klemm) writes:
>
><some stuff deleted>
>
>>many square feet is the main?).  My first rig was a wonderhog with a 26 lopo
>>reserve, with a 200 sq. ft. STRATOSTAR main.  The rig was purchased for 
>I did my first (and many subsequent) square jump on the "strato-rock".  I
>thought it was only 170 (maybe 180) sq. ft.  I know it is kinda off the topic
>of Karen's post, but am I wrong or were there just different sizes of the
>"'rock"?  I don't think there were.

The Cruisair was 200 square feet. Nice canopy but hamburger landings.



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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Hey!
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsnet.1119.2ACD2518

Reply-to: Hans.Falkeman@p0.f126.n203.z2.fidonet.org (Hans Falkeman)
Fido-To: anthony maglietta

 * Anthony Maglietta skrev Monday September 28 1992 till All:

 AM> Hello all! I wanted to add some echos to my BBS and I came across this
 AM> in the fidonet.na.  I am just about to get my "A".  I first jumped on a
 AM> dare from a friend out in Phoenix,AZ and now I can't get enough.  My
 AM> family thinks I'm crazy but they were crazy for having me (:
 AM> You can catch me at morgantown airport on weekends and Wednesdays.

You ar not crazy! Sky Diving is fun...

      Blue Sky

     Regards D73

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From: mtimko@pdx066.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mark Timko)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:14:40 GMT
Reply-To: mtimko@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel

yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
> 
>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal

mtimko    0              0                        87             0

- Mark
  A-11659

Looks like I'll wait and get my "C" 8^)

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:56:51 GMT

In article <7120@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>
>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>
>Philip	50		1			1200		8

Tim      0              0			175		0


>  Philip Yzarn de Louraille                 Internet: yzarn@chevron.com

Tim
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Wisconsin schools, opinions wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:16:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsnet.1112.2ACD24D3

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!hpgrla.gr.hp.com!johnp

 r> Any other suggestions?

 r> Thanks in advance,
 r>                   John Parsons   johnp@gr.hp.com

When I see a name like that, from Colorado, I have to ask...


Do you know a jumper named Bruce Parsons?  If so, say hi from me, he was one of the guys who got me into the sport.  I made my first 50 jumps in CO, at the Longmont DZ, and Bruce was the manifester.  Not like they do now (nothing) but I'd be sitting on the packing table or something, and Bruce would come over and say "there is room for one on this load, get ready."  He kept me going during that early period while I was on student status.  Tell him thanks to while you're at it.

Bill Caefer
D-7510

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Bungee vs. Skydiving
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:43:40 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!ra.oc.com!mandel%jumprun

 r> : How would you describe the difference between bungee-ing and skydiving?
 r> : I bungeed from a 175+ foot high crane, and am interested in skydiving.
 r> : Anyone have any comparison comments? Thanks....
 r> : Bill

 r> Kinda like the difference between riding on a Merry-Go-Round and going
 r> horseback riding.

Hahaha!  ROFL!

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: CYPRES altitude readings
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:21:27 GMT

Reply-to: Ted.Harrison@p0.f623.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Ted Harrison)
Fido-To: romulus!ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au!michi

Regarding romulus!ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au!michi's message to Skydive on Sep 25:

 r> I once tried this at about 7000 feet. I went on my back and 
 r> watched the altimeter. It read about 2000 feet too high. 
 r> When I flipped over, it jumped back down to the correct 
 r> altitude instantly.

 One of the reasons why twin optical altimeters are hard to beat!

 <grin>


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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Best of both worlds
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:14:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.232402.2142@newsgate.sps.mot.com> beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com writes:

>first hookup. What a thrill. Realized this weekend
>that skydiving is all about the freefall and not the
>chute ride like so many beginners think. 

Call me a dope roper, but I enjoy my canopy opening/ride/landing
as much as the freefall. Maybe not the landing..

>Took a friend with a video camera this time. Excellent
>way to critique your landings... I needed it. Now I can
>work on improvement and relive the adventure in the 
>comfort of my home.

And even better for critiquing your freefall skills as they develop.
And fun to watch gazillions of times, too :-)

>regards,
>Jim
>Keywords: 

Tim


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From: mirk@nim.ctt.bellcore.com (Andy Mirkis)
Subject: Re: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 21:30:52 GMT

                 squares
          #jumps          #mal

Andy M       38            0


------------------------------
Andy Mirkis
Bell Communications Research
Piscataway, New Jersy
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Hey!
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:22:00 GMT

Reply-to: Anthony.Maglietta@p0.f2.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Anthony Maglietta)
Fido-To: all

Hello all! I wanted to add some echos to my BBS and I came across this
in the fidonet.na.  I am just about to get my "A".  I first jumped on a
dare from a friend out in Phoenix,AZ and now I can't get enough.  My
family thinks I'm crazy but they were crazy for having me (:
You can catch me at morgantown airport on weekends and Wednesdays.
Later,
-Anthony

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From: jray@ihspa.att.com (45262-Griffith)
Subject: Re: Double Horny Gorilla
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:39:52 GMT

The one attempt that worked well for me, among several less
successful ones, was very similar to your description.  An 8-way
sunflake, ie: 4-way round with flakers in slots between, with leg
strap grips taken by the flakers.  Leg strap grips are important
as a grip will almost certainly be lost, likely precipitating a
major funnel, otherwise.

The flakers swing there legs inward upon a key.  Keying is important
to balance the stresses around the formation and avoid one side being
dragged low and out of it.  After (if ;-) this achieves stability,
key again for a release of grips among the original center 4,
and bring their legs in (or recline backward a bit).

This can go remarkably smoothly, then again I've seen bloodied faces
from serious funnels.  It also falls fast, should only be attempted
with sufficient altitude to allow for increased fall rate and
possible funnel recovery.

Johnny
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Round:	1100	9		Square:	1250	1
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Skydiving marana
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:38:00 GMT

Reply-to: Anthony.Maglietta@p0.f2.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Anthony Maglietta)
Fido-To: paul stansberry

-> Wow, these prices are high.  At Veedersburg IN. (Illiana Skydivers)
-> the costs are much lower.  For example:
  Very few people who run DZs are in it for the money.  They make most
of their money from new students.  Consider where I jump...It takes 5
jumpers about 30min to get to jump altitude in a small Cessna.  Another
10-15 for the plane to get back down.  Now if the plane costs $100/hour
tack time, what would you charge your jumpers?

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