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From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:02:45 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Apr10124107@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smitt
>ie) writes:
>}What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>}ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>}carrying in excess of 4000 people.

>Why not?  It was all on board when they left port wasn't it?

    No, Navy ships get regular resupply at sea.  It's usualy done as
UNREP (UNderway REPlenishment).  The warship steams a parallel course
with an auxiliary ship, they string a cable between, and transfer the
cargo. (Fuel, food and mail. Sometimes a chaplain. 8-{  Those guys
MUST believe in a god!) I hear it's fun to do at night...
   There is also VERTREP which is done with helicopters.

Tim Smith
>joel
From: ron@isgtec.com (Ron Lipsius)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:48:05 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
> What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
> ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
> carrying in excess of 4000 people.
> 
	I initially replied through private mail, but had to say this:
	THERE WAS ROOM TO STORE IT BEFORE IT WAS GARBAGE, so there has
	to be at least as much room afterwards.  Compact it and it will
	take even less room than originally.  

	Small boats or large, the volume of trash produced cannot be larger
	than the amount of trash brought on board.  For those who camp, the
	credo has been:
					"Pack it in, pack it out." 

						Good advice for a tidy environment.  
						(Better would be if we could avoid garbage entirely,
						 but I haven't figured out how yet.)

							Ron Lipsius
								ron@isgtec.com


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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: AC sailoff pre-race update
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:57:49 GMT

Bill Walker writes:

	Hmm.  It's 9:45 and there's already a breeze up here at my office.  
	This does not look good for Stars & Stripes, since any wind in the 
	morning here usually means we'll have a very windy afternoon.

Whatever the outcome -- and it could be any of the finalists on either
side -- I would like to say now that this has been a better designed and
conducted pre-race series than I could have anticipated in my wildest 
dreams. Also, i'd like to salute those who have contributed to the race
descriptions. There are some of us who do not have cable. I imagine that,
one way or another, we are all going to learn something new about design
and materials, and, more importantly, that there are a lot of dam' fine 
sailors out there. I was only disappointed that Great Britain of all
countries could not see virtue in the America's Cup any more. I have gained
new respect for DC, but my money is still on Koch -- chiefly for picking
Buddy Melges as his First Mate (?).

PS. I chased *Californian* out of redwood City late yeaterday afternoon,
but she had those dam' square-sails up and it was a broad reach. She
did a beautiful job of getting away from the dock -- apparently with
wind alone.

Francis Muir

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From: wsadler@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (william sadler)
Subject: Kanza v. Stars & Stripes (Spoiler)
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:27:00 -0500

Stars & Stripes wins by 2:12.  This means a Conner v. Koch
Defender final.  Tom Whidden made a great tactical call on the
first upwind leg.  

Now to see which boat A^3 will use and what skipper....

Will

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From: rcte4@jetson.uh.edu (Carpenter, Scot M.)
Subject: Re: Lets split rec.boats
Summary: Stink potters vs. rag men 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:17:00 GMT

> 
>I think one _good_ thing about having a single group is that each type of 
>boater is "forced" to learn at least a little about how the other half 
>lives....lines omitted

>  If the subject isn't interesting, don't read the article.
> 
>----------
>Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
>All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
>"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare

      Good point.  This is what Kill files are for.  I'd like a group just
for rowing/sailing craft, specifically traditional wooden boats....think
that would be a viable group?  
      I appreciate the desire for separate sailing/power - when I had
sailboats I wasn't interested in the problems of jet boats getting
4 football players up on skis in less than 15 seconds, or the best rig
to catch bass at 50 mph on lake Texhoma.... but with the current govt.
"persecution" of recreational boaters, I think anyone that has more than
a windsurfer or a canoe ought to keep their eyes open and regard anyone
else with a boat as a soul brother and not as rival...... 
 	

|	 Visualize a Piece 		|	My Inner Child		|
|	   of the Action		|	     was a 		|
|					|	  miscarriage		|
|	Scot Carpenter RCTE4@Jetson.uh.edu  Ma Bell lies.....		|
From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lets split rec.boats
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:07:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22576
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.192.16

In article <1992Apr2.231319.1235@u.washington.edu> moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley) writes:
>It doesn't seem to me that there's enough traffic to warrant a split.

It seems like there isn't enough traffic to warrant a split to those who are
primarily interested in non powerboating aspects.  As a non-sailor, I find
deleting 80% of the posts an incredible hassle, even with TRN and a massive
kill file.  I know of a few readers here who have given up on the whole
newsgroup for that reason.

Let's split.

Alan K Biocca
From: paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: one-piece foulies - advice sought
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:45:25 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

I just received the new Layline catalog. In the back thay have a good 
	selection of one and two set foulies at a reasoanlable $$.
From: jeffs@chaos.LABS.TEK.COM (Jeff Staley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:36:19 GMT
Distribution: usa

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

>I've been cleaning and re-lubricating my winches (more detail in a later
>posting), using BarLube (Barient's winch-lube goop, which seems to be a mix of
>90-weight goo and lanolin, from the smell). Two questions came up:

>(1) How much goop should I put on there? Just enough to provide a film on all
>surfaces, and tiny bit more, or should it be like wheel bearings, where I would
>lay it on really thick, i.e., pack the case completely with grease?

I tend to use a light coating, except for my foredeck winch which gets
exposed to a lot of water.  I expect this might vary with frequency of
re-builds, etc.


>(2) The Barlube tube says "Do not use on pawl springs". This naturally lead me
>to ask "What *should* I use on pawl springs?" 

You don't want to use a heavy grease on the pawls, since they'll tend
to stick open. Instead use a very light grease or oil on them.


Jeff
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Sailboat rental
Keywords: requirement
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:03:34 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service



What does sailboat rental shop require from customer showing
their sailing skill?

I am talking about renting over nighter such as Catalina 22
or similar size.
From: jpdought@rodan.acs.syr.edu (James P. Doughty)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Antigua to Maryland
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:42:01 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

>Tim Colvin writes:
>:I am helping to deliver a Kaufman (sp?) 47 from Antigua to Maryland this  
>:May.  I have several questions:

>[question about flying into country w/o return ticket]

Last year when I flew to Bermuda and sailed back to NY, I needed a letter
from the captain of my boat stating that I would be leaving with him, name
of boat, time of departure etc.  Contact the Antigua officials for details
on this if you can.  Shouldn't be a big problem. 

- Jim Doughty / jpdought@rodan.acs.syr.edu
From: wtjones@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bill Jones)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:33:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Latitude 38
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

That was something that I posted.  Latitude 38 is a San Fransicso based 
(actually their offices are in Mill Valley , California.  Latitude 38 is the 
latitude position of SF Bay (or pretty close).  It is distributed for
free in just about any store that has to do with boating.  It has
a distribution of about 40k issues per month.  If you happen to cruise to
some exotic place like the Islands or Mexico your chances of getting an issue
are pretty good.  This is done by anyone cruising and requesting a bundle
from the rag to distribute.  Anyway, information for Mill Valley, CA
will get you the phone number of the editors and they can give you
subscription information. I highly recommend the mag for the local area
because of the local stories and ads.  

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From: patf@silvlis.com (Pat Fitzgibbons)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Request for info on Laser racing in the South Bay
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:02:55 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silvar-Lisco

About a week or so ago, someone posted an article
about Laser racing in Shoreline park. Could someone
please send me a copy of this.

            Thanks,

                       
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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: mail order
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:09:58 GMT

In <1992Apr15.231110.27854@acuson.com> worth@acuson.com (Douglas Worth) writes:


>I seem to remember a thread a while back about mail order houses. Could
>someone please either post or maail me a list of mail order houses. I am in
>the market for some sailing gear (boots, gloves, foulies,..) and would like
>to see some other sources than my local West Marine.

You can anonymous ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu   Look in the /pub/laser
directory and get the file boat.catalogs.

Will
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: Power on AC boats
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:35:18 GMT

sreid@bcarh561.BNR.CA (Stuart Reid) writes:
> Until yesterday I didn't realize that there were hydraulics on board, so
> I guess there must be power.

	Of course there's power.  The power source is a half dozen gorillas
fueled by carbohydrates.  The hydraulics are almost certainly hand-pumped.
In some of the shots you can see guys pumping a big lever, which I assume
is the hydraulic pump (or one of several; there's probably one for the mast
ram, one for the vang, etc, etc).

	Question: I know you're not allowed to use power from engines, etc,
but what about wind or water-powered generators?  It's probably not a good
way to make your boat go fast, but is it legal under IYRU/USYRU rules to
have a wind generator which generates electricity that you use to pump
hydraulic backstays, run electric winches, etc?  Strictly speaking, it
seems like it would meet the requirement of "using only the wind and
water".
-- 
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: cogen@ll.mit.edu
Subject: Advice on battery cables wanted
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:46:39 GMT

I intend to move by batteries from their location near the engine, to a
location up forward near the middle of the boat, for better weight
distribution.  This will result in battery cables approximately 18 feet long.
Does anyone have any accurate recommendations on what gauge wire I need for a
run of this length? Please let me know what you based your recommendation on.

The boat is a 20' Reinell with Mercruiser 470 engine (170 hp). The batteries
are your average marine deep cycle batteries.

The reason I'm doing this is, I am adding other things to the rear which will
add considerable weight to the rear (a 5 hp auxiliary outboard), so I want to
compensate for this. Besides, the battery connections are rusted and should be
replaced anyway.
Xref: sparky rec.boats:2726 rec.scuba:2069 rec.travel:5440
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats,rec.scuba,rec.travel
Subject: Christmas Sailing in the Virgin Islands
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:50:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: mwvm.167C8108E6.STU
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

I've posted previously that two couples are looking for one or two more
people/couples to share a 39' Cat for two weeks in the Virgin Islands - for
hiking, SCUBA (optional), snorkle, nice beaches and lovely sailing.  About
a dozen people have responded for more information and several have
contacted Boat U.S. about prices for travel from their location.
 
Unfortunately, none have sent me their share of the deposit ($600) and
committed to the share-a-boat.
 
Hopefully one (or better two) people will commit soon so I can afford to
keep the charter.  If you are thinking of going, please let me know that
a deposit will be coming soon.  If you haven't thought of it and are interested
in a lovely two weeks of sailing between Christman and New Years, let me know
and I'll send you more details.
 
If you have read this post before and are bored with the repost, I'm sorry -
please understand and forgive me.  Thanks    /Stu Bell  (713) 333-0906
From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Lets split rec.boats
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:04:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22575
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.192.16

In article <1992Apr2.220808.13482@newscan.canada.sun.com> dennis@zonzorp.Canada.Sun.Com writes:

>Leave it as one group. The traffic is small, and deleting things like
>the America's Cup is pretty trivial, if you aren't interested.  You can
>make a read-or-delete message at the coarse level implied by power vs.
>sail, just from the subject line probably 80% of the time or more.

Split the group.  I've got HUNDREDS of lines in my kill file, and it doesn't
work -- it is impractical to filter out the non powerboating discussions.
Crossposting is efficient for those articles that warrant it.

Alan K Biocca
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:49:25 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>What, exactly, do you propose that Navy ships, and all other large capacity
>ships, do with their trash? Stow it on board?? Not too feasable on a vessel
>carrying in excess of 4000 people.
	 ...at sea for months without making port.

    Yup. That's exactly what the Navy proposes to do.  The compacters
exist and are being installed.

    I've said enough on this subject. I won't waste any more bandwidth
with Navy trash dumping.

Tim Smith
From: ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Bare-Boating in the San Juans?
Keywords: Charter Companies?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:02:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.5087
Distribution: pnw


My wife and I are thinking of chartering an ~30' sailboat this September in the San
Juans.  Anyone have any experience with the local charter companies, good or bad?
In particular, we are considering Wind'n'Sail, out of Friday Harbor.  Comments?

Any suggestions of really good places to go (or avoid)?

		thanks,
		steve soar
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Subject: Re: Winches
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:09:56 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

 (Roy Smith) writes:
>
>	The other day, I suggested replacing pawl springs in winches even if
>they don't apparantly need it.  Today, I took apart both my primiaries
>(Enkies AR-18's) and found that each one had a broken pawl spring (and
>that's just on the pawls I could get to, the two top ones).  I have no idea
>when they broke; the winches appear to work fine with just one operating
>pawl.  Good thing I broke one in each instead of both in one!

I had a similar problem where I had to remove a pawl. The winch works
fine, but the safe operating load is cut in half. Should the other
pawl break, you've got a very dangerous winch!

>
>	Second, it looks to me like the only way to fully disassemble the
>winch is to remove it!  Last year, when I tore them down, I had them off the
>boat because I was moving them.  I don't remember exactly what I had to do
>to take them apart, but now it sure looks like unbolting them from the deck
>is the only way to get to the bottom pawls and planetary gears.  I remember
>taking out a retaining ring on the intermediate shaft, but it looks like
>that ring is underneath the base.  Can anybody with one of these winches
>confirm this?  I'd hate to have to dismount the winch every year just to
>clean and lube it (let alone do an emergency repair underway).  If that's
>really what you have to do, it's no wonder Enkies is no longer in business.
>-- 

Don't have an Enkes, but my Barient 27 has to be removed from the deck
in order to get at the bottom gears and pawls. Not a great design for
servicing them. I do not use 5200 to bed those winches :-)





Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: radar
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:16:53 GMT

dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith) writes:
>Why don't the radar sets from all the boats interfere with each other?

	I think basically the answer is that they are out of sync with each
other.  A radar beam has a fairly narrow beamwidth (a couple of degrees or
so; depending on the antenna you are using).  At any given instant in time,
the antenna is pointed in a particular direction; unless it happens to be
pointing right at another radar set *and* that set happens to be pointing
right back at it (within their respective beamwidths), your antenna won't
see the other set's beam.

	Given that, how does a racon work?  It must have an isotropic
radiation pattern, since you can see them from all angles, but doesn't that
mean it must put out a huge amount of power to get any visible signal at
your receiver?
-- 
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: AC sailoff pre-race update
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:48:14 GMT

Hmm.  It's 9:45 and there's already a breeze up here at my office.  This 
does not look good for Stars & Stripes, since any wind in the morning here 
usually means we'll have a very windy afternoon.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: sau@sleepy.bellcore.com (Stephen A Uhler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What's BOC stand for... (partial)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:17:38 GMT
Reply-To: sau@sleepy.UUCP (Stephen A Uhler)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ

Would you believe British Oxygen Company, from the original
sponsor.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:55:46 GMT

In article <ku9am2INNfrq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
>
>  "The amount of oil dumped by the Exxon Valdez is spilled every two weeks
>   by do-it-yourself auto mechanics who change their own oil, then pour the
>   used oil down the sewer.  That is roughly 240 million gallons a year, or
>   enough fuel to heat every home in Portland, Oregon."
>                                           - American Pertoleum Institute -

This statistic sounds suspect to me. At one car for every man, woman and child
in the US (approximately) we have about 240 million cars. Each goes about 12000
miles per year, which is 2 or 3 oil changes, of 1 gallon each. That makes
(overestimating by a bit) 3 * 240 million gallons of auto oil used per year. 
Does this mean that the Petr. Inst. thinks that *one third* of all oil changes
are done by home mechanics who dump the stuff down the sewer? Seems
implausible to me. But then, so do many statistics....

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Subject: Re: Sextant wanted
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:34:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

New York Nautical Instrument has sextants new and used. 140 W
Broadway, NY, NY. They ship.  Latest phone no I have is (212)962-4522.
Great source for charts, books, etc.
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