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From: hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu (Death-PartyCentral)
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Reply-To: hjel@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:15:20 GMT

In article <1i4u6bINNpn5@tamsun.tamu.edu> ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.225617.2037@reed.edu>, mcoffin@reed.edu (Miguel De Laguna) writes:
>|> 
>|> Seems to me that the smoking of opium is not not nearly as instantly
>|> gratifying as the American public demands.  In these days of 24-7
>|> convenience and ATMs, the obvious instant gratification drugs are cocaine
>|> (either in your arm, or in your pipe) and heroine (in your arm).  Yes,
>|> needle drugs are at the top of the instant gratification scale, smoke is too
>|> slow...
>|> 
>|> 	_Miguel_
>
>According to Dr. Andrew Weil, (in "The Natural Mind", I believe),
>smoking is a faster method of drug delivery to the brain than 
>injection.  Injection however, produces a better 'rush',
>(suddenness of onset), which most heroin users want.
>
>-- 
>----------- 10-4 --------------

	i too have heard that smoking delivers the drugs to the brain faster
than any other method.  i think some cop giving a lecture to us kids back in 
high school was who said it, though i believe it, i believe it from experience
and not because the copper said so.  definately faster than eating the 
substance, thats fer sure.
				-jh

-- 
hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu        aka  Death Cmeptb jefe jefito
"...just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you...."
Disclaimer: the devil made me do it.               -Nirvana
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From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.225617.2037@reed.edu> mcoffin@reed.edu (Miguel De Laguna) writes:

>Seems to me that the smoking of opium is not not nearly as instantly
>gratifying as the American public demands.  In these days of 24-7
>convenience and ATMs, the obvious instant gratification drugs are cocaine
>(either in your arm, or in your pipe) and heroine (in your arm).  Yes,
>needle drugs are at the top of the instant gratification scale, smoke is too
>slow...

Just to keep things in perspective, I'd like to point out that many (most?)
of the people smoking crack and injecting heroin don't have ATM cards and
probably don't have convenience stores open 24 hours in their neighborhoods.
While recreational drug use may be a natural human drive and may be in
keeping with our national 'character' (if such a thing exists), severe
drug dependency isn't something we can usefully ascribe to overdeveloped
consumerism among addict populations.

Also, it isn't the speed of the drug onset which distinguishes injecting from
smoking as much as it is the increased 'rush' and the economic efficiency of
injecting.  Smoking a drug provides a damn fast fix too, as any smoker
knows.  I think the economic efficiency of injecting is particularly important;
people turn to injecting because it requires less drug.  The rush of an
injection is certainly reinforcing, but it cannot explain why someone would 
initiate injection (given the increased risks which accompany injecting).  

>	_Miguel_

   --M@

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From: pershing@csn.org (Paul Pershing)
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Originator: pershing@teal.csn.org
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:18:29 GMT

j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Joe Moody) writes:

>In a country where instant gratification is such a high demand, 
>why has the national pass time of other countries--the smoking of
>opium--not
>become popular here?

It has not been widely available....



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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Some anonymous posts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:30:26 GMT

mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:
: 
: >Check the instructions again. There may be some temperature or humidity
: >requirements that you are not fulfilling.
: 
: >Bill
: 
: Also I think you could say that this whole process sounds much simpler
: than it really is. I've heard nothing about growing shooms more than the
: comments about how hard it is to get decent results - or even results at
: all. When I read that faq I kind of was skeptical. He makes it sound so
: easy. Must have a white thumb about these things. Me - I can't even grow
: weeds too good. I'm curious. How many others have had sucess with the rice
: cake method or for that matter any other method?

I have use rice cakes for growing non-psychadelic mushrooms. It was fairly
easy. The hard part is keeping a pure culture. I have no idea how hard it
is to grow psilocybes - it may be very hard to get the mycelium to fruit.

There are somewhere around 50 different molds, viruses and bacterium that
can destroy your culture.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Muffavore)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:20:17 PST

In article <1992Dec27.162719.9247@prime.mdata.fi>, jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
> In article <1992Dec27.012019.1@pomona.claremont.edu> cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Muffavore) writes:
>>	You're forgetting that alcoholism is a disease, whether a mental or
>>physiological addiction...having a good experience isn't going to affect the
>>alcoholic's drinking -- he will still need alcohol to function.
> 
> Yeah, sure. "Poor alcoholics. Such a horrible disease."
> 
> Just read from the newspapers today of a new drug naloxone which
> prevents the brain from forming natural opiates when drinking. Somewhere
> in the article they also quoted the original speaker:"We have found more
> evidence to the claim that alcoholism is a biochemical disease and not
> just lack of willpower". With this in mind we could treat addiction
> whatsoever as a disease. So what? Does it change the fact that a person
> is addicted and unable to control him/herself?

	How does this change the point?  The alcoholic is still one dependent
on alcohol, and giving him LSD/MDMA/pure strychnine isn't going to change that. 
Sure, rant on about how addiction is a disease, but you're offering no
solutions.  
	Despite your assertions, I still believe (along with many others who've
taken this route, experienced it, etc) that the only way to kick an addiction
is cold turkey.  Not any sort of lame-ass drug therapy, which would be
subscribing to the same theory of human machinery that you denigrate, but an
actual confrontation of the problem with the will...

> 
> I am deeply wondering what do these "scientists" think a human is but a
> biochemical machine. 

	I am deeply wondering what the hell you're trying to say.

> 
> --
> jjj@mits.mdata.fi | PGP 2.0 key available | PGP 2.0 avain saatavilla

Muffavore
From: esterling@igc.apc.org (Eric Sterling)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Question about groups set up to pro
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:53:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec27.094527.9262@fuug.fi:747758550:cdp:1301300232:000:1228
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!esterling    Dec 29 08:53:00 1992



The government does keep tabs on the activities of groups like NORML and
the Freedom Fighters.  Federal, State and local -- and it is difficult
to know how extensive it is.  

Simply by joining NORML, and sending them money, you are not at any
risk of having the government keep a closer eye on you -- the security
of NORML's mailing list is good, and the governments are too busy to pay
attention to simply members.

What is important is to realize that once you have decided to live in fear
of your government, you have already decided to let fascism rule your
life.  I speak all over the country.  I have been a member of NORML for
many years, many years.  The government has NEVER harassed me.

You should write letters to the editor and to your Members of Congress.
If you  are too intimidated to do that, you have let the government win
control over you.

Freedom is not a state or condition.  It is a process that is maintained
when it is USED by the citizens.  If you are not politically active,
you are undermining freedom -- you are wasting it.  Of course the
government should know who you are.  You own it.  They work for you.
Living in fear is what totalitarians want of you.  Why live down to
their expectations?
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:38:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1993Jan2.200116.11198@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) writes:
>
>  In order to protect the Ozone layer, Reddi-Whip now uses Nitrous Oxide
>as the propellent in their whipped cream. 

    I was not aware that they ever used anything else.  N2O has always been
the gas of choice for whipped cream, and is what whipped cream makers use.
-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: esterling@igc.apc.org (Eric Sterling)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Behavior on Acid
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:58:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec21.060115.24358@news.stol:2055355569:cdp:1301300227:000:1454
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!esterling    Dec 22 13:58:00 1992



I'm glad that you made this posting.

These experiences although different, resemble in intensity and in thier
their unexpected and disorienting character about some trips I've heard
about from reliable reporters of their LSD trips.

People need to know that the intense, sometime unpleasant experiences that
are passed off by the anti-drug zealots as TYPICAL, indeed, INVARIABLE
types of experiences on acid, can sometimes occur.  People need to be
prepared for that, and they should, no matter how experienced, always have
an experienced guide with them to co-pilot or talk down, or comfort, or
whatever -- a guide who is not tripping but who is sensitive and
able to help.  It's like going mountain climbing.  Even the most
experienced mountaineer would climb a difficult peak solo under the
most unusual circumstances -- and then only would let people know, and
make sure that appropriate backup and rescue are available and notified.

If people are serious about "legalizing" LSD, then they have an obligation
to be serious in recognizing the real potential risks, providing appropriate
warnings.  Actually one benefit of legalization will be the facilitation
of communication about unpleasant, even scary, even terrible trips -- "bum
trips" -- without the baggage that they are propaganda and hysteria.  This
will enable us to learn more about the nature of bad trips and how they
can be processed best, minimized, and perhaps avoided altogether.
From: darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:16:35 GMT
Reply-To: darinf@scarla.UUCP
Organization: Scarla Development


 > 
 > A FOAF once smoked MJ with a girl he was relatively good friends with. Well, in > no time at all they WERE going at it... The girl had previously told the guy
 > that she didn't want to have sex with anybody, yet while high she was not so
 > reluctant. Being the nice guy that he was, (as well as a bit more sober
 > than she at that time), the guy told her what she had said before about
 > not having sex, and it was not easy to convince her that they shouldn't.
 > 
 > The point is, when high you might be a little stupid about remembering
 > your values, not to mention the dangers of unsafe sex. MJ can enhance
 > physical sensations, and my FOAF says they still had a lot of fun even
 > though they didn't actually have sex :-)

If you are "a little stupid about remembering your values..." while under
the influence of a substance then you should 1) learn to be more 
responsible about becoming intoxicated or 2) re-evaluate your values.


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From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:33:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsls4.cs.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec30.225617.2037@reed.edu>, mcoffin@reed.edu (Miguel De Laguna) writes:
|> 
|> Seems to me that the smoking of opium is not not nearly as instantly
|> gratifying as the American public demands.  In these days of 24-7
|> convenience and ATMs, the obvious instant gratification drugs are cocaine
|> (either in your arm, or in your pipe) and heroine (in your arm).  Yes,
|> needle drugs are at the top of the instant gratification scale, smoke is too
|> slow...
|> 
|> 	_Miguel_

According to Dr. Andrew Weil, (in "The Natural Mind", I believe),
smoking is a faster method of drug delivery to the brain than 
injection.  Injection however, produces a better 'rush',
(suddenness of onset), which most heroin users want.

-- 
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From: @symphony.cc.purdue.edu (null pointer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Chromium What ?
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:18:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue UNiveniversityurdue UNiversityniversity

>: In article <1gmir8INN3qh@garnet.msen.com> josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup) writes:
>: >She claims that she is taking a product called Chromium Picolinate
>: >200 Mcg per tab. This wonderfull little over the counter thing is
>: >supposed to turn your fat into protien ie: no weight gain etc.
>
>: She is a victim of quackery.  No drug can magically dissolve/change fat.
>: Only exercise can do that.
>
>That, and a reduced caloric intake.
>
	(Monty Pythonnish Voice)
	If a drug is defined as "something which you take into your body
which causes a physical change within some part of the body" then a liposuction
hose would be a drug (introduced through a hole at waist-level) which removes
fat.

	However, the only magical properties associated with any drugs are
those associated with various psychedelics and such, or with certain 
opiates.  As it is unknown whether anything resembling the legendary magic
in fact exists, no legitimate studies have been done to attempt to categorize
the magical effects of drugs.
	However, no reported alleged magic is known to directly to effect the
number OR size of existing fat cells in the body.
	On the other hand, the infamous magical drug "Belladona Flying
Ointment" IS known to leave fat cells ON the body.
	Thank You.
				Sean
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:44:43 GMT

ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
: In article <1992Dec15.200820.2252@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >The belief in doses being that large is another urban legend. They are
: >still about the same now as then - anywhere from about 20ug to 150ug. I
: >believe the average is about 50-60ug.
: >
: >Bill
: 
: Untrue! The fabled "orange sunshine" was kept at a measured dose of 250 ug.
: Acid back then was in considerably higher units. (source: _Acid Dreams_).

There may have been an occasional batch that was higher. However, "orange
sunshine" varied - see the tests during the 60s and 70s.

Bill
From: ebenami@igc.apc.org (Etan Ben-Ami)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in f
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:59:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec10.093514.17593@ccu1.auku:526097867:cdp:1301300230:000:1228
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ebenami    Dec 23 18:59:00 1992


Bill,
    Concerning prison work -- and I'm not going to include your thread
-- you've got some fucking balls.  You sound like one of those fascist
potheads who take the line that the drugs they enjoy are damn near 
sacramental while the drugs others choose are a sin.  Let the infant
Jesus shut your mouth and open your mind!
    Right now I've got a friend on Rikers, doing time for simple 
possession of smack.  It's maybe the dozenth time he's been inside
for simple possession.  He's a life-long junkie, unable to do anything
about his habit, except occassionally go on methadone.  He's not a bad
guy and he usually holds down some scut labor job or two.  His
moral character isn't much better or worse than anybody who's had a
ten year bout of trying to quit smoking.
    So he's a con.  You're going to put him to work?  I hope they tax
your butt till it bleeds for the cost of keeping him locked up.  I hope
eventually you'll get tired of paying to have people locked up and
decide that there really aren't that many non-violent, non-ripoff 
crimes that we have to protect ourselves from.  The only way it's
going to happen is if the people have to pay and pay and pay.

           -- Etan Ben-Ami     (in a rare flame)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Bill's Billy, Roger (was Re: Some anonymous posts)
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:26:17 GMT

homer@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Homer Smith) writes:

>     Given the drug for free, they again regained their self respect,
>GOT BACK TO FUCKING WORK ADDING TO THE GNP RATHER THAN DETRACTING FROM
>IT, were not tempted to over do the drug to distraction because
>were not charging themselves up with a secret shameful life, and
>they could talk openly with others like them about their problem.

	Or back on welfare, sucking from the GNP.  On Discovery or 
something I recently watched a show on the doleing out of smack 
methadone and coke to junkies in England, and I believe it had some
of the same footage as the 60 min show.  What 60 min lacked however,
as it would have been found distasteful to their vewiers, I imagine,
was an interview with a family on welfare and smack.  They picked up
both their drugs and their money courtesy of the English taxpayer, and
there was a short segment of them in their welfare complex with their
children in the backround and gross looking ma and pa talking about how 
they haven't worked in years.    Free rent, free money, free smack -why 
should they?

Jim Del Vecchio

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics caught in mortuary with sheep corpse
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:15:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.154837.1@pomona.claremont.edu> cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence) writes:
>	It is based upon my understanding of alcoholism, which appears to be
>more extensive than that of anyone else here.  Also, it is based upon half a
>lifetime of observing people and chemicals, and people behaving.

Well mister please go on and write down your extensive understanding of 
alcoholism so that we stupidos can also read what it really is. 
You make yourself sound very creditable, and anyhow all we have received 
this far is pushing others down and sending them notes in e-mail 
referring to their brain size & consistency. Even half a life time is 
not very much if you are under 40 ;-)

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From: civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Danger of cocaine questioned by WHO researcher
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:22:31 GMT


From the Christchurch "Press", 24 December 1992
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
	HARM OF COCAINE QUESTIONED
NZPA, in Sydney,

Cocaine is not as addictive or harmful as is widely believed according to a
World Health Organisation (WHO) expert planning the first international study
of the drug.
Recent studies in Amsterdam and Toronto found only five to 10 percent of the 
people who used cocaine more than once became regular users, Dr Andrew Ball
said.
Dr Ball, of the WHO's programme on substance abuse in Geneva, said these 
findings contradicted the popular perception that people lost control when 
using cocaine.
"It really does question the myth around cocaine being a very addictive drug."
he said.
Little was known about the effects of cocaine globally as most information 
came from the United States which had a different problem to most other 
countries.
"Certainly cocaine use has clear health consequences but we really need to 
determine what those consequences are and try to give a balanced picture," he
said. Dr Ball is visting Australia to help establish a WHO study into cocaine
use in 1contries.

-------end of quotes article-----------

Some comment.
1. Great, we now admit that we know nothing about cocaine, even though we've
 been waging a war on it for years.
2. With views like this, I don't think Dr Ball will last long with the UN.
3. How can "consequences" be clear when we don't know what they are??!!

Merry Xmas
-- 

Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
                  New Zealand

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:18:15 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec19.000455.20985@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

> Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becoming
> a vegetable due to LSD usage.

Although plenty of people have thought thay they've become vegetables
on acid :-)
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: RSA sucks (Re: PGP warning (ooo; I am scared))
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:49:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Lawrence C. Foard posts a complaint with the above Subject. One wonders
just which junior high school the person who picked the subject
"RSA sucks" is posting from.

As to the substance, the yelling and screaming at MIT, RSA, etc.  is
both useless and irrelevant. Foard's complaint, as he himself realizes
by the end of the message, is either with patent law or with the
patent office. Since nobody here is empowered to change either,
Foard should take his complaint to someone who can do something
about it. For starters, he might try his local Congressperson and
let us know how he makes out.

David
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