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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:38:51 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep29.210630.14491@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr) writes:
> 
> 	I haven't seen the film yet, because a good friend, whose
> opinions on film I trust, told me not to. His criticisms were:
> 	1)a very uninspired and poorly done score

I disagree. The main theme in particular was quite nice.

> 	2) made-for-tv visuals that wouldn't even have to be panned
> 		and scanned

Ah, are you sure your friend saw the 1992 version of Last of the
Mohicans.  The visuals were spectacular. There were a number of
incredible widescreen shots (which is why some people have called
it Lawrence of Arabia with trees).

> 	3) very little plot

Define "plot."  I found the plot to be reasonably strong.


> 	4) poor use of dramatic tension

I'm not sure what you mean here. There are places where the 
tension could have been built up more, certainly, but this
was a minor quibble.

> 
> 	Are these criticisms accurate ?
> 
No.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: priore@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Charles F Priore Jr)
Subject: Movie Posters for Sale
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:44:11 GMT

I have some movie posters for sale all are in excellent condition.

1) Farewell My Lovely with Robert Mitchum, a classic movie based on
   the Raymond Chandler book.    $50

2) Annie Hall directed by Woody Allen; this is a small poster 
   featuring an out-take. Great Academy Award winnig film.  $75

3) Invasion of the Star Creatures- this is classic schlock sci-fi
   starring Bob Ball and Frankie Ray, the poor mans Abbot & Costello.
   Mentioned in the Golden Turkey awards book.   $75

4) Attack of the Killer Tomatoes- one of the all time baddies; listed
   in the Golden Turkey Awards book as the "Worst Veggie Movie of All
   Time"   $100

E-mail directly.

Thanks 

Charlie



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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: QUIZ Question....
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:44:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.181121.4496@cs.albany.edu> raginis@cs.albany.edu (Ragini Shamsunder) writes:
>
>    Please let me know via email since I don't
>read the newsgroup very often.
>The movie was a romantic comedy starring 
>Gerard Depardieu and Andie McDowell.  I would
>like to know the name of the movie.

That was "Green Card."

-Joe Stremick
-Redrum

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From: broaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BROWN ADRIAN)
Subject: Re: Do Replicants Dream of Electric Unicorn?
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:02:46 GMT

il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:

>> poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy) writes:
>> in the original story by P K Dick, the main premise if i remember correctly
>> was about the social problems dealt with by a crumbling society in the
>> future.  one aspect of the novel not discussed in the movie was the
>> fact that in order to be socially acceptable people of earth had to
>> own a live animal.

>That wasn't true.  It's true that all humans cared a great deal for
>animals, but real animals were very rare and hard to find.  I was very
>confused by the Mercerism bit, but I'm sure about the animals bit.

What do you mean it isn't true? The whole crux of why Deckard took the job in 
the book was for money to buy a REAL donkey. True, all humans cared about
animals, but for Deckard at least, it was very important for him to have
a real animal to replace his electric sheep.

>-- 
>Il Hwan Oh                              | What is "Martinizing",
>Computer Facilities Manager             |  and why does it
>University of Washington, Tacoma        |   take one hour?
>iho@cac.washington.edu                  | 


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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Movies-List and Aka-List updated
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:55:19 GMT

The movies-list and aka-list have been updated! From now on possible updates of
these lists will happen when I post one of my lists. The actual status will be
evident from the header of these lists. The current header is:

 List            | Last Post | Maintained by                        | Next Post
 ----------------|-----------|--------------------------------------|----------
 Directors       | 06/05/92  | Dave Knight <dknight@elm.sdd.trw.com>| July
 Actresses       | 07/27/92  | Andy Krieg <krieg@titan.med.ge.com>  | ?
 Writers         | 09/18/92  | Andy Krieg <krieg@titan.med.ge.com>  | ?
 Dead            | 09/10/92  | Col Needham <cn@otter.hpl.hp.com>    | Oct wk 4
 Composers       | 08/03/92  | Michel Hafner <hafner@ifi.unizh.ch>  | Oct
 Cinematographers| 09/25/92  | Michel Hafner <hafner@ifi.unizh.ch>  | Dec
 Movies          | 09/25/92  | Michel Hafner <hafner@ifi.unizh.ch>  | FTP only
 Alt. Titles AKA | 09/25/92  | Michel Hafner <hafner@ifi.unizh.ch>  | FTP only
 Actors          | 08/15/92  | Col Needham <cn@otter.hpl.hp.com>    | Oct wk 1
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Versions in the tmp/incoming directory are always the most current and can be
used if the versions in the official places ( pub/tv+movies/lists; pub/MOVIES )
are dated. ( see header of lists for details ).
								Michel Hafner
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: robert vaughn blackballed?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:01:11 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes:

>Are you sure you aren't thinking of Cliff Robertson, who found himself
>unemployed (except by AT&T) for a few years for blowing the whistle on some
>studio exec who was forging checks to actors (CR included) and cashing them
>himself?

It's true that CR didn't work for a few years, and it might
be true that he blew the whistle on the director (I vaguely
recall the incident, but no names), but what makes you assert
that item one was a result of item 2?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Comming Soon: Rain without Thunder
Keywords: Abortion,Future,Political,"A Handmaids Tale"
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:43:59 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

In article <Bv3nww.6xA@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>
>This is a *must see*. Don't miss it. Comming in November.


Coming *where*?.  TV?

(Bet they won't show it in South Carolina).
.


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From: george@agora.rain.com (George Rachor)
Subject: Re: THX - "The Audience Is Listening"
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:10:11 GMT

tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:

>Am I the only one who gets chills up and down my spine when
>they play "The Audience Is Listening" intro?  

>Don't get me wrong (weird)... it's just that I have this thing
>for pure sound with dramatic and clean useage of the full
>dynamic range... that intro seems to use most of it.

Yes... It sounded great the first couple of times.  Ever since then
the theater has dropped the volume level (at patron request
unfortunatly) and it hasn't sounded nearly as good.  It would sure be nice
to have a headphone in the seat!
From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ~)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: cartoon violence
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:34:11 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.


-- 
John Finlayson writes:

    Perhaps it is just that we live in a more violent, hostile society
    overall, and cartoons have absolutely nothing to do with it either
    way.

Nah, I don't think so because many of the Bugs Bunny Warner B. Cartoons 
were shown when my brothers were kids in the 1950's, just prior to the
Korean War and later the Vietnam War.  Society has always been violent.
My dad grew up in the 20's, and he tells me horror stories about the
gangsters in his neighborhood in Chicago and the drive-by shootings
common then during Prohibition.  He was also in WWII, in which Hitler
expressed the epitome of violence and evil.

    When Star Wars was released, I was a bit surprised and vaguely
    distressed at how many kids identified with Darth Vader.  Have kids
    changed, or does Hollywood sometimes make something evil more glamorous
    and appealing (aggression=power)?  How many kids would identify with
    the aggression=ineptitude characterizations of Wile E. Coyote, Pete
    Puma, Elmer Fudd, Sylvester, and Yosemite Sam.  Did we?

Well, the only problem is that these above-mentioned cartoon characters
*do not* represent the raw aggression and power of Darth Vader.  (I
absolutely *loved* Darth Vader.)  I don't think kids so much *identify*
as they *admire* the character.  Therefore, I think kids admire the tough
bad guys who competently take control of situations, but not bad guys
per se.  The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are a perfect example.  Kids
admire the Turtles because they are tough and competent.  The bad guys
(Beebop and the other hoseheads) are not competent.  Kids occasionally
admire Shredder, but the Turtles are stronger.  Meanwhile, they still
*relate* to the violence expressed.

Regarding Hollywood, I think they do a pretty good job of balancing how
much they glorify evil and subjugate evil.  It's just that all the 
special effects make evil more "glitzy."  

These are my objections to John's argument, although I wholeheartedly
agree with his concerns about our society's children.

The BIG question, however, is: IS ALL VIOLENCE EVIL?  (Uh, oh, time to
move onto another group with THIS one!)
--
Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728		    
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com  

"Boy, I don't know what that thar Space Mead is,
	but ahhhhl drink it!"

		Jake Barlow,
		Bounty Hunter and Cthulhoid Investigator

Standard disclaimer applies...
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies with people wearing clear plastic
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:54:43 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Sep29.222850.38256@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, cad3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHERYL ANN DOUGHERTY) writes:
> In article <70#pxrm.allyn@netcom.com>, allyn@netcom.com (allyn) writes:
>>I watched Bladerunner recently and loved the scene with the girl running
>>wearing a clear plastic raincoat.
>>
>>I am curious if any of you out there know of any other flicks with scenes
>>of people wearing clear plastic.
>>
>>As I allways dress up in clear plastic during haloween, I love to see others
>>do the same.
>>
> In _Fried_Green_Tomatoes_ Kathy Bates' character has a fantasy sequence in
> which she imagines wrapping herself in Saran wrap and greeting her husband as
> he comes through the door from work.

And of course there are the "raincoats" in The Naked Gun.
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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
From: nc2@ukc.ac.uk (N.Chadha)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Sound track of "A Prayer for the dying"
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:17:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


	Hi all the movie fanatics. I am writing this for a friend of mine. He
wants to know by whom was the music in the beginning of the movie during the
part where they are putting a bomb on the road. He would be very grateful if
you could tell the name of the performer and the title. Also if there is a
soundtrack available then please let him know.

	His address is : az1@ukc.ac.uk

	Please forward all replies to him. Thanks.

						Neeta Chanda. 
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From: rocco@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Kurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:14:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Sep29.221449.12005
Organization: University of Delaware

>
>Bud, you and I saw a different movie. I saw old Hawkeye reloading in one scene
>ON THE RUN (which surprised the hell out of me, but I suppose it could be
>done). 

On the first day of training for the movie DDL was working with his
trainer practicing loadgin on the run AND hitting a target
at the end of that run.

I couldn't believe it was DDL when I saw him.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:30:52 GMT

In article <BvF43o.7IE@acsu.buffalo.edu> majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Salamander~) writes:
>fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>
>>>I'm not convinced Roy is all that smart.  What he accomplishes he 
>>>accomplishes by brute force, not intelligence, and he failed at his 
>>>one goal - gaining a longer life from Tyrell.  I'm not going
>>>to argue that Roy was dumb, but there isn't a lot of evidence
>>>for him being bright, either.  Poignant, yes.  Bright, maybe.
>
>>  Didn't Roy checkmate Tyrell while waiting in the elevator?  Seems
>>like Tyrell is a pretty good chess player...
>
>	That's brute force.  Trust me - computers don't play chess the
>way humans do.  Maybe replicants don't either.  Check out an AI text
>sometime...it's not pretty.

And how many human actions cannot or never will be explained by
an algorithm?  And what about Roy's seemingly-creative suggestions
of ways of extending his life that Tyrell's people had already
tried?  Sure, you could explain this with a "random idea generator",
but if he appears intelligent, he is.  Think Turing.

I'm not sure you want to turn this into a debate on the "essence of
human intelligence".  It would go on for a long time, certainly.

GMS

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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: old old movie
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:58:12 GMT

In article <1aaavnINNafk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ba229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Frisch) writes:
>
>This may seem strange in this day and age, but I'm wondering if
>anyone knows of any availlability of an old (40s?) move named
>SCUDDA HOO SU (sorry, start ofver) SCUDDA HOO, SCUDDA HEY!  I It
>had Jeanne Crain, Lon Macalester(?), June Haver (??) in it.

And Marilyn Monroe!! Far away in a boat on a lake.
But that's maybe why you want to get it, right?
								M.H.
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From: mcgead@operators.its.rpi.edu (Darren McGeary)
Subject: 'Showtime' subscribers please read.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:15:44 GMT

     Would any Showtime subscribers out there be interested in taping a few
movies for me?  I will pay for the tapes, postage, plus an extra $10
for your trouble.  Please e-mail if interested.
  
Thanks

-- 
Darren McGeary -  mcgead@rpi.edu          Freedom of religion means freedom 
PRO-CHOICE - THE AMERICAN WAY             FROM religion!!
Banish religion from government!          -These are my opinions. They just
Atheists Unite!!                           happen to also be the right ones.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: _Another_ movie ID, please
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:23:59 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

I was chatting with some friends last night, and remembered a movie I
saw about 23 or 24 years ago on an "Afternoon Matinee" on TV.

The file starred Arlene Francis (of "What's My Line" fame) as a 
woman who became pregnant at the same time her grown daughter
announced her engagement/pregnancy/something (I was 6 or 7 when
I saw the movie, so some memories are foggy).

The climax of the picture was Ms. Francis giving birth in her limo
on a bridge in New York (the Brooklyn Bridge?) while stuck in a 
traffic jam.

Anyone have any ideas on the title and/or other stars of the film?

Thanks in advance!


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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: "Stranger In A Strange Land" To Be Filmed
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:39:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.000341.15856@sctc.com> beede@sctc.com (Mike Beede) writes:
>jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
>
>>Or Arnold Schwarzenegger?  Gee, it's kind of fun trying to think of the
>>worst possible actor for a role like that.  Any other suggestions?
>
>Peter Sellers.
>

Josh Mostel and Andre the Giant are to be screentested, having beat out
Jimmy Walker.

GMS
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From: goehring@infonode.ingr.com (Richard R Goehring)
Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time, so bad it's bad
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:44:44 GMT

Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Sime
>                                                      Go Pirates!
>The poison of love so pure it's deceiving,            Go Pens!
>And deceit is all we have it's got to be over         Go Steelers!
>It's dangerous this game we play you're
>Killing me with words                            (guess where I'm from)
>          -Queensryche
                                                   Philadelphia  ? :-) 

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 goehring@infonode.ingr.com       |    SPRINGFIELD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
 ...!uunet!ingr!infonode!goehring |  Bart Simpson, owner and propriater [sic]
 Intergraph Corp., Huntsville, AL |                "Principal Charming"
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REVIEW: THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:16:23 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep29.142545.10531@socrates.umd.edu>, doug@UC780.UMD.EDU 
(Deac Moo of the UGC) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.134220.10432@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, sun!megatest!jao 
(John Oswalt) writes:

>>     It is amazing how clean the main characters' clothes and hair
>>remain considering all that they go through.  Natty Bumppo always has a
>>gun ready when he needs it, but we never see him reload.  The women in
>>the movie don't do much besides cower and swoon.
 
> Bud, you and I saw a different movie. I saw old Hawkeye reloading in one 
> scene ON THE RUN (which surprised the hell out of me, but I suppose it 
> could be done). 

And he solved the problem in the "protect the messenger as he left Fort 
William Henry" scene by being handed numerous loaded weapons.  And in the 
last scene, he picked up the already loaded muskets of his slain enemies.

>And the lady-character managed to pocket a pistol and use it on one occasion.

And she helped out a bit in surgery!  Cora Munro was anything *but* a 
swooning, cowering flower.  (But I would have liked to have seen Hawkeye
make here get rid of all the heavy layers to her dress in the escape scenes)

Greg Bole                              "I haven't seen this many sideburns
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  since West Side Story."
                                       Nicholas Cage in _Honeymoon in Vegas_
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:33:33 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Oct4.222338.27290@news.nd.edu>, by Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift):
> film when Roy confronted Tyrell, and Tyrell states "You wish to be
> reprogrammed?"

I had the distinct impression that this referred to genetic material,
i.e., the way his organism works, not the contents of his brain.
Which would make sense if the four-year-limit is built into the body.
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time, so bad it's bad
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:01:59 GMT

mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell) writes:

>In article <Bv2B5H.FBK@acsu.buffalo.edu> hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!) writes:
>>
>>	you've all seen bad movies.  bad movies which are so bad they're
>>hilariously funny.  bad movies so bad that the dialogue from the audience
>>makes it good.  however, I have just seen the absolute worst movie in my


I've only seen this on video, its called _First_Strike_, a very bad film.

But when it's seen with about 30 people, who just bag the crap out of it,
makes it bearable, and laughable.


|-|()()|<
From: deck@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Can Mel Gibson Act? Yes, and he can teach as well.
Date: 25 Sep 92 07:45:54 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

>>Overall, I would say that Gibson is an excellent actor who is rarely
>>given the opportunity to act. "Hamlet" is the obvious exception.
>>IMO, of course.
> 
> When did you get off the boat. Gibson is a very popular actor and millions
> of people will pay to see him. Therefore we all have to say that he can't
> act. :-)
	Mr. Gibson can also teach, and well.  Catch an HBO feature with him
and some high school kids discussing Hamlet.  Wish I'd had that introduction
to Hamlet back when I was in high school.
		Jim Deck
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