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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: preseason top 10 - no order
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:22:03 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Apr7.184047.22893@ccad.uiowa.edu> tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:
Next season's top ten teams.
>Arizona
>USC

Interesting people are putting SC on their lists . As Matthew suggested its
really too early and USC is one of the reasons. They lose Cooper and Sanders
that I know of, but if Miner goes pro, their a second division PAc-10 team,
let alone top 10. I haven't heard much about their recruiting, but replacing
Cooper will be really tough, he was the best point guard in the Pac this year
and to be honest, I thought he was better than Robert Pack when they shared
the job, and Pack made Portland's roster this year.  

Arizona is a tough call too, they lose Othick and Rooks and I think Womack
(not sure), but the key guy is Mills. Gary has mentioned before he's not
teh most popular Wildcat player, and he may well jump ship for the NBA,
where he'll most likely struggle(ok I admit I was wrong he's not the best 
player in the Pac-10). They had a great recruiting class on paper, but the
2 guys I have seen are not instant impact stars. Reggie Geary showed alot
of athletic ability but not much of a shot, Mclean from Concord is just a
shooter from what I've seen(admittedly just one game film because they
were in a touney with my old high school team that I sometimes help out
with). Bohannon is supposed to be really good. Stokes has been a major bust
up front, so they really have only one good frontline player (Mills if he
returns) and several maybe's. Their starting backcourt will be arguably the
best in the Pac-10, but the reserves will be young and probably a bit of
a dropoff.

I think UCLA will be as good as either USC or Arizona, they lose their
2 senior guards and MacLean, which means 2 of the 3 best shooters, and 2 of
their better defenders(madkins,Martin), but they bring in 2 centers and a
point guard. O'Bannon will be better, Edney will be better, Tarver is already
a good player and Butler will be the defensive stopper. I still think that
Zimmerman will transfer, but if not he'll provide depth too. If they sign
Kevin Dempsey, he'll help their outside shooting, and give them 2 really
good big guards. They should be a much better rebounding team, and a better
defensive team(even without Madkins). They'll probably lose more games as
the team will take some time to come together, but they could be as good or
better come NCAA time, they will be a different style team however, much
more low post game.           

I still suspect that Duke and Michigan will be at the top of the heap,
especially if Michigan can get a point guard and a swingman with a good
jumpshot. Parks will be much better for Duke next year.



Russ Smith
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Top 10 List and a Fearless Prediction
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:05:26 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Apr7.111848.3493@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>For Michigan, the Fab Five thing seems in retrospect to be a gimmick.
>There were older more polished players on the bench who could have given
>the team a shape and direction.

I would tend to agree in part. Jackson seems to be starting only because he's
part of the Fab 5. He hasn't shown any offenive game yet, and I haven't seen
his defensive prowess yet(I'm told that's why he plays, he's a stopper). Also  
letting Rose play the point hurts them because he takes a lot of bad shots or
shots going to the hole that leave them out of position to get back, he picks
up his dribble constantly for no reason, and he leaves his feet all the time
with no idea what he's going to do with the ball. However, Talley isn't that
great either. I don't think Howard is better than Riley(maybe moves his feet
better), but I think obviously the kids like to play together and Fisher took 
advantage of that.



Russ Smith
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: r.s.bb.c ANNUAL WRAP-UP POLL
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr10.141737.2470
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

As all the NCAA woofing dies down and we settle down for another exciting
baseball season (Go Indians!), I've came up with another one of my stupid
ideas.  Essentially, it's a poll of this newsgroup for the year.  I will
collect all statistics by E-MAIL or by post, but only one set of votes per
person will be taken.  If anyone has a good idea for a new category, I will
consider adding it.  The term "thread" can refer to a topic of
conversation, as well as a title.  Anyway, here are the categories:

Most Annoying Thread:  This is for a thread which was the most over-
     discussed or which annoyed the most people.  Examples include the Shaq
     thread, the LAETTNER thread, the UMASS rules thread, etc...

Dumbest, Most Idiodic Thread:  Self-explanatory.  Good examples of this are
     the Craig Riley jump-shot thread, the "Ha ha Purdue" thread, this
     thread itself, etc...  There could be some overlap with the last
     category, but this category should stress stupidity, while the
     previous category should stress repetition.

Poster with Head in Ass:  Also self-explanatory.  Anyone is eligible, but I
     think AVI may have a good chance at winning this.  I'm sure I'll get
     people who vote for each other here.

Most Creative Poster:  This awards cleverness.  The "Doo-dah" posts between
     Scott Turner and GaRy make them both good candidates for this.

Most Informative Poster:  This should go to a poster who typically reports
     basketball information and avoids a lot of the flame wars.  This one
     may end up in Illinois to someone whose name rhymes with dandy.


Here are my votes:

Most Annoying Thread:  "Laettner Should be Suspended", followed closely by
     "Shaq Sucks" and "O'Bannon Is Great"

Most Idiodic Thread:  "Purdue is in the tourney, NOT" - slams on Purdue

Poster with Head in Ass:  AVI, but Ralph Kennedy almost caught up.

Most Creative Poster:  I'd hate to say it, but T-Bone edges out GaRy here,
     mainly due to GaRy's hiatus at the end of this season.

Most Informative Poster:  Randy Peppler
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: ACC Next Year (was Re: Next Year!!)
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:55:15 GMT

In article <2306@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>class, and return all their starters and big contributors.  I see the 
>ACC like this:
>1) Duke (too much experience, but it'll be a dogfight this year)

They won't dominate without Lattner and Davis, but still a good team.
They will have more than two losses, but still could win the ACC.

>2) FSU (could easily be #1)

>3) UNC (Montross is starting to dominate, Phelps is solid, I predict
>        Don Williams will start to come on)

They won't win it outright (I predict), but they could beat either Duke
or Florida State at home. Maybe a tie for first or second. 

>4) GTech (best frontline in the ACC)
>5) Wake (Rodney Rogers. Randolph Childress. Need I say more?)
>6) Virginia (NIT momentum, tough Cory Alexander and Junior Burrough)

Except for Stith, the starting lineup is pretty much intact. Parker
started some games in place of Oliver this year - he'll likely
start at the other guard position. Derrick Johnson will probably
start at Forward along with Burrough. The great defense returns, now
we just have to learn to shoot! I'd put them anywhere from 4th to 6th.

>7) NC State (great recruiting class, some skilled perimeter players--I like
>             this team a lot)
>These seven teams should all have winning records, and all seven might go to
>the NCAA's.
>8) Clemson (getting better, will win a bunch of games.  Sharrone Wright
>	     will be all-ACC)

They improved as the year went on last year. I think they can beat some
of the top teams - at least 1 or 2 upsets.

>9) Maryland (no more Walt, but no more probation.  Some tough times ahead
>		for this gutty club that still may pull a few upsets)
>
>I predict a very good year, and a very even season.  Duke had too many 
>veterans to be challenged this year.   Please note that my 1 - 7 teams 
>will probably have no more than 3 or 4 games separating them in the 
>standings.
>  It's been a great year! Only seven or so months til next year!!!
>--Robert Clough


I think you're likely to see a tight race where the final standings
won't be settled until the final weekend of play. I see Duke and
Florida State with maybe North Carolina challenging in the top
three spots. Georgia Tech, Virginia and Wake Forest contending for
4th through 6th place and North Carolina State, Clemson and Maryland
at the bottom (not necessarily in those orders). Six teams are likely to
make it into the tournament,
maybe seven. Next year should be fun because I think the teams will
be even closer than this year and some great games are likely. 


-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1991 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV                        
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: 1993 Tip-Off Classic
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:53:54 CDT
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.202441.2101@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>In article <54204@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>It was mentioned in the Atlanta newspapers this morning that
>>Georgia Tech has agreed to play in the 1993 Tip-Off Classic
>>(the game which starts the season), against an opponent to
>>be named later.  The 1992 Tip-Off Classic will be played by
>>Connecticut and (I believe) Purdue.
>
>
>	You are right about the game this coming November.  Purdue will
>	apparently be busy in November - they play this game and are also
>	in the Great Alaska Shootout with Illinois and six others. (hey,
>	maybe we will get *two* Purdue-Illinois games this coming season
>	afterall!)...

Sorry to be technical, but doesn't the Big Ten have a rule that says
conference teams can't play each other in the pre-season?  I remember a few
years ago (fall 1988) that in some Hawaii tournament, Purdue and Illnois
could have possibly played in the finals.  I don't remember how they were
going to handle it, but it didn't matter as Purdue managed to lose.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: alan@hercules.acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: DUKE #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:54:30 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Originator: alan@north7.acpub.duke.edu

BACK-TO-BACK NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FAB 5, WAIT YOUR F*****G TURN!!!!!!   DEVILS ARE ON A RAMPAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

FIRST CONSECUTIVE NATIONAL TITLES SINCE 1973 .....
FIRST *EVER* IN THE MODERN 6 ROUND TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Say what you want about Laettner... about Hurley... about Krzyzewski....
Go ahead and post how your team rules, is number 1, is going to kick
someone else's ass.... IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER, 'CAUSE THERE CAN ONLY
BE ONE NUMBER 1!!!!!!!  AND, AS IT HAS BEEN ALL YEAR.... NUMBER 1 IS

                      D U K E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Hey, do you like all the exlamation points?  I got the idea from
alester@fire.ncsu.edu)

To everyone else in the tournament, nice effort, but...

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  SEE YA!!!!!
-- 
               Alan M. Gallatin <alan@hercules.acpub.duke.edu>
                  Duke University School of Law; Durham, NC
 "The opinions expressed here belong to you - You just don't know it yet!!!"
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Don MacLean = Kiki Vandewaigh
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:19:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr16.161954.25286
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Some of you may think I'm crazy, but Don Maclean strikes me as having a
remarkably similar game to that of Kiki Vandewaigh (or however the hell you
spell his name), at least coming out of college.  Do you suppose that is
the type of player Don will be?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: bdlaugh@athena.mit.edu (Corn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1987 Iowa Hawkeyes
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:41:18 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr3.182859.4637@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
|> In article <risgpINNevn@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ryne Sandberg) writes:
|> >
|> >Did that team win the Big-10 that season?
|> 
|> No.  Indiana and Purdue tied for the conference crown at 15-3.  Iowa was
|> 13-5, I believe.  That was a strange year as Purdue lost to Iowa at Mackey,
|> but won at Iowa.  I was at the Mackey loss.  It was a great game decided at
|> the wire.  Iowa was still undefeated at the time, but ran into a slump
|> later on.
|> 

If my memory serves me correctly, Iowa finished 14-4, losing at home to Purdue and
Ohio State, and losing at Indiana and Michigan.  For those of you Bill Frieder
fans, the Michigan-Iowa game that year was the game where CBS got the extra-close
mugshot of Frieder yelling, "Hey Moe, you're a f***ing a**hole!  Tell Moe he's a
f***ing a**hole!" after Jeff Moe intentionally fouled Glen Rice in the last few
minutes.  The loss was painful, but the sight of Frieder chomping at the bit and
shouting obscenities at a college player before a nationwide audience made me feel
a little better.

By the way, that's not to say old Bill wasn't right.  From what I heard on
campus, Bill was right on target with the accusation.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu (Suresh)
Subject: Tark takes over Spurs 
Reply-To: suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu (Suresh Kumar Vishnubhatla)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:44:05 GMT

Just heard this.  Jerry Tarkanian has a new job.  He is taking over the
San Antonio Spurs from next season.  They had a press conference today
afternoon.  I still don't know the details, will post them soon.

-- 
Suresh
UNLV Dept. of Electrical Engineering
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From: Steve Creps <creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:18:38 -0500

In article <1992Apr10.024415.25039@colorado.edu> burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>I thought that Pat Knight, since his father is a university employee,
>would not need a scholarship. At least that was what I remember 
>hearing o so long ago.

   I don't have my handbook with me, but I think children of University
employees can get three credit hours free during the semester.  Plus he
can live at home for free if he wants (many B'ton residents still live on
campus when they come to IU though), although maybe not after being arrested
for D&D 8-).  Anyway, I doubt that a child of Bob Knight, who probably
gives away more money to IU than an education would cost, needs a
scholarship, whether he goes to IU or to Purdue (perish the thought!).

   Of course, some parents won't give their children a free education (both
good points and bad points to this), so I'm not sure of the situation in
this case.

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Steve Creps, Indiana University Hoosiers
1991 Copper Bowl champions
creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:32:23 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Apr10.180012.5781@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>The funny thing, Gidi, is that the coach you mentioned was from the
>Midwest, possibly from Martinsville, Indiana.  Furthermore, a lot of his
>players were not from California - I can remember quite a few that were

Well although in general I agree with T-Bone's point about the necessity
of profanity when trying to get some kids attention, there are coaches
who can do it other ways.

Anybody notice this after Duke won. They're on the platform with the trophy
and Coach K is speaking thanking the city of Minneapolis etc. He starts to
talk about what a great team and great year its been, the Duke kids start
whooping it up assuming he's talking about them. then coach K says Michigan
because he was congratulating them on their season. brian Davis behind coach
K and on his right(left viewing at home of course) says quite clearly(if you 
have a friend who reads lips) "motherf**k them". Coach K turns slightly and
says "I;m not done yet guys" and they all go silent and look down like they
were back in grade school. I found it amusing.



Russ Smith
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From: SNOSZB@vm.sas.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:29:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: vm.92099.102954SNOSZB
 <1992Apr7.195424.3280@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 <1992Apr7.164715.27523@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
 <1992Apr8.035939.26330@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Interesting how my original post is now concentrating on who is a better
coach and who has more talent and who went on the NBA.  I wasn't addressing
ANY of those issues.

I said that this Duke team, on the basis of their accomplishments (primarily
in the NCAAs), is the best in ACC history.  You can talk about '81-'82 UNC, but
they won 1 NCAA, not 2 (BTW, I was a rabid UNC fan then so bias ain't a fact-
or).  Their players have done fantastically well in the NBA, but I'm talking
about COLLEGE accomplishments, not NBA; go to the other newsgroup for that.
One thing: with the talent that Dean had from '82-'87, he should have collected
at least 2 championships in that period.  Hell, he's still a great coach,
although only 2nd best in the state now %) <-- smiley not really needed

As for the WolfPack in '73-'75, they truly had awesome numbers, but I was about
oh, 6 years old then so I wasn't exactly watching a lot of ball then.  And,
either way, they didn't go back-to-back so it's a moot point.  Using the fact
that they were on probation and weren't eligible open that "What If..." can of
worms that usually leads to fruitless debate.

I'm not addressing talent, coaching, recruiting, or pro success, only concrete
accomplishments by the team while in college.

And on that basis, Duke from '90-'92 is the best in ACC history (IMHO, as
always).

Sanjeev
NCSU Class of 1989
CS grad student - NCSU
From: mjdaly@athena.mit.edu (Mark J Daly)
Subject: Re: O'Neal
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:29:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.042810.2252@ducvax.auburn.edu> kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>> 
>> How did Ferry manage to be shit in the NBA? Too slow, and didn't 
>> work enough on his game. Laettner will not make it at his current level.
>> He has to improve a lot to make it with the athletes in
>> the NBA.
>
>Athletes like Larry Bird of blazing speed and kangaroo-like 
>leaping ability? :)

Laettner has many skills which will help a pro basketball team, but
I don't see him being a star like Bird right away.  Both players
are great shooters but a lot of Bird's success is derived from his
uncanny passing ability. Like Laettner, Bird has never been fast or a
great jumper, but was unstoppable offensively because every time a team
would try to double-team him, he would see it coming and almost always find
the teammate who was left open. Last night's game highlighted Laettner's
shooting ability (in the second half anyway) and his all-around heart and
competitiveness, but it also highlighted the fact that he is not a great
passer and can be taken out of his game by aggressive double-teaming
(first half 6 or 7 turnovers). I think he'll also have to be more selective
about putting the ball to the floor against the quicker NBA players.

I'd take Shaq or Mourning ahead of him - especially if I needed an inside
player - but who goes first (Mourning or Laettner) may depend on the
particular needs of the team drafting second rather than who is better.

Mark Daly
mjdaly@athena.mit.edu

PS - watch out for BC next year, they recruited the inside help they 
     needed for Curley and should be strong...



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From: joep@brahms.amd.com (Joseph Pawletko)
Subject: Re: The NCAA controls college basketball
Organization: Duke Fans In Exile... 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:52:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.202058.20839@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	when that factor comes in, it's the NCAA that rules.  We are led to
>	believe that the players and coaches determine the fate of games --
>	but unfortunately that's not necessarily true.  The NCAA determines
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	the games.
        ^^^^^^^^^

                           How????

>
>	Jazzy J

----Joe
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