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From: v102qqq5@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (HIGH PRIESTESS)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Psychic Defence. Help needed
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <JOSHUA.92Sep8215745@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>, joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Sep9.002535.4898@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> 
>braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
> 
>>   Ok, I may be acting a bit silly but I feel that I may be the target
>>   of a sub/concious psychic attack of some sort.
> 
>>   Anyone have any suggestions as to how I may overcome this???


  If in fact you are truely convinced that you are under psychic attack I would
suggest that you must begin by asking yourself if it is someone that you know,
if it is someone that you know you can counter attack or shield yourself from
this persons bad intentions, if you feel that it is from some spirit that you 
do not know I think you better write back to me for some incantations, or get
a bottle of holy water and pray hard.  
                                          			
					HIGH PRIESTESS
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Josh/shields (was spirit etc)
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:33:35 GMT

shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:
>         3/. Of course, Xtainity in general _is_ one of the most
>         powerful worldviews ever invented: Just put big G at the
>         middle, have absolute faith in it all, know that YOU are
>         absoulutely right and all those who oppose you are absolutely
>         wrong - and even if they do get you, heaven is GUARANTEED.

Got a new truckload of straw, eh, Leo? :)

> So to those looking for good shields against psychic attck - go see a
> priest. It will probably halt your magickal progress forever: But you
> wanted to be safe didn't you?

It all depends on the priest...


Peace,

Amanda Walker
-- 
"Christianity quite possibly embraces far greater and more universal truths
 than are generally accepted and taught in its various churches."
                --Katherine Kurtz and Deborah Turner Harris, _The_Adept_

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Mike Douglas-Llyr)
Subject: Re: Necromancy
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 01:19:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:

>eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:


>>Originally it extends from the ancient term Khem meaning the Black which was
>>the ancient Egyptian name for Egypt. When said: Necromancy it meant the
>>divination of egypt. In Greek the term Khemestry or Alkhemy it also implied
>>the arts of Egypt. Since the spelling has been changed.

>Al-kimiya is Arabic, though it does may come from the Greek Khemia "of 
>Egyptian origin" ultimately.  However, there was never a Greek word which had
>any resemblence to Khemestry.  The English word chemistry derives from the
>English word chemical, which derives in turn from the English word chimic, 
>meaning alchemist.  However, the Greek word necros clearly is not derived from
>any Egyptian word.  Given your other errors, I tend to doubt the Khem derivation

>                               Br'anArthur

------------------------------------------------------------------------
	The word chemist was originally a shortened form of *alchemist*.
The word is, as you state, of Arabic origin. However, it does indeed derive
from the ancient Egyptian word for Egypt, *Khem*, which (best as anyone can
tell) meant "the Black." The Arabic al-khem merely means (idiomatically) "of
(or from) the land of Khem." i.e. Egypt. This is not surprising when one
considers the fact that the ancient Egyptians (and for awhile their heirs)
were foremost in the pursuit of the sciences among the cultures of the region.
Whether factual or not, the ancient Arabs considered the "science" of alchemy
to be the science from the land of Khem.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Your posts on the Orishas were pretty well written . . . 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Posts on the Orisha? I missed those. :( Is this newsgroup archived
anywhere? I'd like to read those articles. Yoruba religion and its offshoots
are a minor specialty of mine. I also have some material on the Orisha pantheon
that I would like to post, but thought that alt.pagan might be a better forum.
Of course, a case can be made for including the study of Yoruba "ceremonial
magick" here as elements of the tradition *do* correlate to the Tree of Life
glyph's symbolism.
			michael

-- 




	Hokh'Ton	:	The Crystal Wind is the Storm,
  mdouglas@netcom.com	:	 and the Storm is Data,
Michael Douglas-Llyr	:	  and the Data is Life.
			:		---Player's Litany (The Long Run)
	

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Dreams
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 23:52:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <laura.715906437@glia> laura@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Tygress) writes:

>Do most people think of Dreams as Prophetic?  Usually only
>recurrent ones?

I can't speak for "most people," but I experience Dreams as
symbolic...especially recurrent dreams.  To take a dream literally
is to misunderstand the nature of the dreamtime, IMO.  Whether
the dream is prophetic or not, I think it depends on the Dream.
Have I ever had a Prophetic Dream:  Not that I know of.

>Is it possible to have a Teacher reach you thru 
>Dreams?

It is possible to have *anyone* reach you through dreams, as I 
understand it, provided they have the requisite skills.  If your
Teacher is human, then I suppose you could be reached.  On the
other hand, if your Teacher exists only in the dream, then I
say, absolutely YES!

>Curiously, -- Laura
-- 
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    - Friday -                 "How're ya doin', ole lady?"
      friday@well.sf.ca.us     "Hey, it's another good day above ground!"
      (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan
From: kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto)
Subject: I'm back on the net...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 22:32:29 GMT



Hi there everyone!!
I got temp. disconnected when I got my Master's degree, bu t now I have
net access again.
Nice to see ya all again!

Internet Phantom:  If you're still out there, and if you've gotten that
electronic spell-book done, could you send me a copy now??  BTW - this is
Athena ) (brain drain - I forgot to mention who i was:)  I was
disconnected before I got the copy you promised me.  Of course my e-mail
address has changed, but you can send just send it to the address aty he
header of this message.  (Gee - I hope I remembered the correct person who
was doing that!!  I apoligize in advance if I got it wrong - It's been a
weird summer)

well, that's it for now.  When I get some more time, I'll let you know if
I have anything to say!

Bright Blessings ALL!!
--Athena
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Shielding
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:54:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <1992Sep7.194010.7241@samba.oit.unc.edu> eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:

>In article <199209070444.AA10298@intercon.com> amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:
>>The sensory mode(s) and particular models you use are irrelevant; how well 

>The "sensory modes(s) and particular models" are indeed irrelevant.  When 
>doing most of my work these days I don't use them at all anymore.  

>			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu 

Oops, sorry, eddie:  I guess here in the world of shared reality you can't
communicating with us absent words like "feel" and relative positionings like
"behind".  Oh, well, I'm sure sensory mode(s) aren't relevant at all   ;-)

Curious, just how "do" you experience your internal processes?  I have a
sneaking suspicion they're in pictures and sounds and ..., all inside your
head.

I think I perceive a difference here:  By "sensory mode(s)" you appear to mean
that you don't have to translate your internal experience (the stuff "behind")
into sensory-grounded terms for other people for it to work.  Not only do I
agree, but it is clear to me that sharing the internal processes will most
often deprive other people of classing the experience as "magickal."--I avoid
it if at all possible.

So, to summarize:  We *think* in sensory-grounded terms, even tho they may be
outside conscious awareness, and we *communicate* in sensory-grounded terms,
to make outselves understood (try to explain what is meant by "comfortable"
without using any sensory-grounded terms in such a way that another person
can have your same experience!), but we both denigrate the practice of
*explicating* by translating magickal acts from our internal terms to the
external.  (For my part, at least, I used to explain things to demonstrate
how clever I was; an ego-trip of the worst sort:  I got my ego salved, but at
the expense of the magickal transformation being muted or even destroyed.)
-- 
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    - Friday -                 "How're ya doin', ole lady?"
      friday@well.sf.ca.us     "Hey, it's another good day above ground!"
      (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Letting shields down
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:35:00 +0000

Don't.

Not until you can see whats coming.

They are there for a reason!
From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:19:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: (Was Shielding) Now: Letting shields down.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.magick

Malcolm Campbell writes:

>The technique is what I'd call 'The halo of thorns', or 'wall of thorns' if
>you use it around a location. The intention is that any attack thrown
>against it hurts the attacker, more so the more violent the attack.

I think this is really an interpretation of the adage that "the best form
of defense is attack", and the fact that you are standing on castle
walls while pouring boiling oil doesn't alter the fact that it
is a deliberate counter attack. I guess any shielding technique could be 
combined with a counter attack.

Taking your technique several steps further, I think the intentional
annihilation of one's opponents could be regarded as a legitimate
shielding technique. A little extreme around this neck of the woods,
but I can think of places where it would be considered S.O.P.

How do people keep rats out of buildings? Love 'em to death? I tried that
a long time ago when I thought that feeding mice would keep them
out of my cupboards. I ended up with an exponentially growing mouse
population running around the kitchen, and eventually it clicked that
I couldn't have a small number of mice - I either had none, or billions
of the buggers. The dreadful day came when I used precisely the
"shielding" technique described above. My wife is similarly genocidal
when it comes to shielding her vegetables from slugs.

The morality of this reminds me of a joke attributed to Oscar Wilde. Oscar
was sitting next to a lady at a society dinner, and he said to her:

    "Would you go to bed with Sir Ralph for a thousand guineas?"
    "I might," she said, flicking her fan.
    "What if it was for a silver florin?"
    "What do you take me for!" she snapped haughtily.
    "We already know what you are my dear," Oscar replied, "I'm only
     trying to establish the price."

Colin
From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: morality of love as force
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:01:11 GMT

friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:
> There is a definite "in-crowd" here, and one that acts to erect barriers
> to new entrants who may have real issues they haven't yet learned to
> phrase in forms "acceptable" to the some members of the "in-crowd".  They
> do suffer at the hands of the old-timers...and occasionally, we never
> hear of them again.

Hmm.  I'll agree that there's some form of "in crowd" here, but my own 
impression is that the main criterion for "membership" is simple bloody-
mindedness :).  That is to say, if you post frequently, you become a frequent 
poster.  However much it may feel like it to some people, there really aren't 
people standing in your office screaming at you :)...

If there's an "in crowd," I'd put Peggy into it, for example, and you're well 
on your way yourself...


Peace,

Amanda Walker
-- 
"I think you should profit from the mistakes of others.  You don't live long
 enough to make them all yourself."      -- Lowell Ferguson
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Now: Letting shields down.
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep8.222939.7752@samba.oit.unc.edu>, eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes...
>In article <Bu9p19.DMx@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

>>I've read about some new ways of putting up shields.  How about 
>>ways to let shields down.  
>>I find it much harder to be vulnerable.

>Meditate and study yoga to learn to 
>find and hunt down shields you didn't know you had.  Study Tai Chi to learn

Those are the ones I'm after.

>to connect yourself to your universe better, to ease the flow of currents
>through yourself. . ..Study Aikido to learn to feel and see the flow of 
>your universe around you better.  The options are limited only by your 
>own desire and energy.  A study of Zen may be in order.  Have fun. It's 
>a never ending process. 

Thanks.  You know, it is fun.

>			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu 

- Peggy -
From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Shields
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:35:19 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep10.091039.19059@spider.co.uk> malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell) writes:
>I visualise an oak door with thousands of protruding spines and thorns, then
>visualise any attack as the attacker pounding at the door bare-handed.. Its
>not a fluffy-bunny technique, but it works.. if you can handle allowing your
>attacker to injure themselves..
>
>--- Malcolm
>

	Nice one. I prefer the idea of turning an attack to your advantage
myself (curse into blessing for example), but for deliberate attacks this is
pretty nice. 

	Why not nest defences, a transformative layer, followed by
a ring of barbed wire, (permeable to the blessings the first layer 
has let through), followed by a mirror that reflects malevolence,
followed by a strong block/grounding of malevolent energy.

	Of course, in most cases only the outside layer will be needed.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine)
Subject: Re: about attacks and so forth as they pertain to empathy
Organization: Purdue University SVM
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:45:15 GMT

In article <JOSHUA.92Sep4123934@dharma.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>
>In article <Bu26w8.DyF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu 
>(brandywine) writes:
>
>>   about attacks and so forth....
>>   [lots of more than usually self-important stuff deleted]
>
>what are you, about 19?
>
>josh

why josh, I thoguht this was an open forum
forgive me for trying to share....
if by self important, you meant important to me... it is
but I shared it not to look good, but to make a point....
thankfully, I am not so over sensitive that I will let your obvious
*FLAME* 
prevent me from posting.....
nice try tho....
-brandywine
-
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: A little info please...
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:35:00 +0000

z_hiltoncc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes..

>In a bit of an aside, I'd like to summon Yog-Sothoth to sire my
>grandchild. Could someone please E-mail me some information on
>summoning? How should I go about it and what precautions should I
>take?

        (i) Just ask. Old Soggy as he is popularly known is easy to
        contact and always ready for a quick shag. Tell your daughter
        to go out in the street and invite the first man she sees to
        come to bed with her. It will definitely be Old Soggy

        (ii) Precautions. Tell Old Soggy to wear a condom.



>Serious replies only.

Hmm




Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: just a question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.235523.2763@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens) writes...
> 
>listening to various friends and reading various post, I have a question.
>Is it possible for a person, without any training or conscience effort,
>to act as a magnet (lack of a better term) or what-ever for "unusual" events?
>By events I mean; calling numbers on a roulet table correctly, picturing some 
>event (outside of personal control) and having it occur, sometimes seeing
>things either not there or not percieved by others, etc.
> 
>Please note, I'm not claiming any of this
> 
>tag@ecn.purdue.edu
>                  

Of course!  Haven't you ever thought of someone and as you
thought of them they called you?!?

Tammy
From: eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Spirit in the house, and parents won't listen...
Date: 9 Sep 1992 11:30:12 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Thanks for the advice.  As for ignoring it, I do and it goes away, and
then when I completely forget about it, it comes back....

I'll try the air permeable/spirit impermeable material...to do this I
just believe that it is what I want while I am making it, right?

Thanks...

Bright Blessings,
Kethry



Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Somethings wrong... Not quite right....
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:24:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Job did a money spell:  "Let me win the lottery on Saturday!"

Job didn't get his winnings.  So, again, he did a money spell:
  "Let me win the lottery THIS Saturday!"

Came Sunday, he was still penniless.  So, yet a third time
Job prepared to do a money spell.  But this time, as he was
getting his ritual together, a booming voice came out of the
sky:  "Hey, Job!  Do me a favor here!

       BUY A LOTTERY TICKET!"

Brenda:  What're you doing to provide an environment for your
money spell to work?  Are you out trying to sell something?
Have you considered ways of spending some of your time in
gainful employment?

These are not specious questions:  They are part of the whole
scheme of making magick work.
-- 
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    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@well.sf.ca.us                      and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
From: kcj8521@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: empathic links
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:32:57 GMT
Reply-To: kcj8521@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

If anyone is familiar with empathic links would they answer a question
for me?

A friend and I have forged a strong empathic link with each other and
while we lived in the same city we were allowed the benifits of such
a link.  This link was strong enough that if both of us were concentrating
and expending enough power it was borderline telepathic.

Now we have moved away from each other and I noticed that the link was
still there and operating normally but nothing is being sent through
the link.  Is this caused by the 500 miles separating us or is it something
else?  I didn't think that distance affected empathy but I am very strongly
empathic and this is the first time I have had a link extend over 50 miles.

By the way we have tried everything we could think of but the link just
sits there like a dead telephone line.  Also try to refrain from using
terms that are visual in nature since I can't visualize if my life depended
on it.

Please e-mail responses.

                                  Kevin
From: jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: NLP 1st exercise
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:19:01 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Carol Anne Ogdin (friday@netcom.com) wrote:
>   2.  Next, watching television, (say, a newscaster), have your clone
>         listen for the words and the "content", while you concentrate
>         on the noticing.  Every thirty seconds or so, ask your clone
>         what the topic of discussion was.

I missed the earlier posts on NLP but the above exercise caught my curiousity.
Is NLP similar to (self-)hypnosis?  The hypnotic frame of mind permits one
to divide the use of one's mind as well.
From: z_beddoerj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Amen <was: Re: AGLA>
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:21:45 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <Btw24G.8uA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
> 
>>In article <JOSHUA.92Aug28170950@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>>>
>>>In article <J1J8PB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill
>>>Eichman) writes:
>>>
>>>>   Anyone have any opinions of the jewish use of 'amen'?
>>>
>>>it's an old semitic word. it's in arabic as well as hebrew. the christians,
>>>in fact, borrowed it from the jews (muslims use it too; at least they came
>>>by it honestly).
> 
>>	I remember my Fater telling me, way back when I was a christian, that
>>it meant "Let it be so."
>>	If this is true, it would be humourous in it's similarity to the 
>>wiccan and Magical "So Mote It Be"
> 
> 
> Wicca and Ceremonial Magic get the phrase "So mote it be" from Masonry.  Guess
> where Masonry comes from--Christianity.  Make sense now?
> 
>               Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
>                                Br'anArthur
> 
> Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

It has been explained to me as meaning "So be it" and a way of ending prayers
as an expression of belief that for what you have asked, will be.
 
Ja ne,
"Crusher" Joe.
From: jasonp@cunix4.Prime.COM (Jason R. Pascucci)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: (Was shields down) Now: morality of love as force
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:09:53 GMT
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.215919.24614@samba.oit.unc.edu>, eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:
> In article <BuF24B.IKH@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> >We have some definition problems here, as usual.  Following are 
> >
[deleted]
> (unless everyone says, "Oh yes, let's!"), entire sets of jargon. 
> 

Oh yes, let's! This will be the first thread I will have ever been 
forced to put in my kill file. 

> This may have something to do also with your feelings of apparent insecurity 
> about there being a conspiracy organization on this group.  If there is a 
> substantial subset of writers here with a vocabulary in which you skew so 
> badly that a majority of primary basic concepts are addressed in entirely 
> different ways, then it becomes easier to see that you may feel left out. 
> 

Conspiracy! Yes! It explains it all!The Pinks are randomly selecting 
articles in this group and changing their meaning! EIIIAY. Let Bob
show you the way! Bob is the Encryptor of Useful Information!
And Bob is the Code-Breaker! EEIEIEIEIEIEEEEEYYYA! Yay, Verily.

Ahem. 

> 			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
> 
> 	"Shape clay into a vessel, it is the hole which makes it useful" 
> 	"5 spokes share the wheel's hub, it the hole which makes it useful" 
> 	"Build a house, it is the doors and windows which make it useful"  
        "Blow up a Latex Sex Doll....."

-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com