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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:14:54 EST
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      help with prayer

JoEllen,

Welcome...
The Bible says pray without ceasing!
I believe that means our lives have to be lived as a praise and
thanks you to the Lord for all he has given us.  Obviously, we
can't be on our knees 24 hours a day!

Lists are good.  I make a list from Christia and I'm on a
prayer chain from church.

In the current issue of "Today's Christian Woman" there is an
article about a woman who has developed a Prayer Notebook.  I
thought that something like that might be a good way to get myself
started on more organized praying.  But, then any notebook should do.

There are suggestions about how to pray...some use the ACTS method.
I forget what the letters stand for,a... , confession, thanksgiving
and supplication maybe???

I believe that prayer is a very powerful force.  I feel good when
all of us worldwide on Christia can share our prayers.  We can
fight off the devil everywhere!

I need to spend more time with the Lord!
God bless,
Carol
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From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Signature blocks

        Kerry,

        It has occurred to me that no one has posted an answer to your
        question about signature blocks or logos at the bottom of post-
        ings.  Some mail systems have a way of creating a signature block
        and appending it to messages with a special command.  Check your
        help screens or ask people at your school who use the system.
        Another way is to create a file containing your signature block
        and give it any short name.  Then when you type a message or
        posting, make the bottom line the current line and use the GET
        command (or its local equivalent) to insert the text of that file
        at the end of your message.

        Marty Helgesen
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From:         dr798302 <whchen@CS.NTHU.EDU.TW>
Subject:      re:pro-choice
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Hi,
  Can any woman who has the experience of pregancies telling me how
do you feel about the unborn in the body?  Do you think that it is a
living being.  One would receive a moral punishment from God when having
an intention to kill another.  Will you feel it suppose you have an intention
 to\
abort the unborn?

Allen W. Chen
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From:         LIZ MOREAU <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Yoga & Medicine

>Kerry,
>Do you know who distributes the film "Gods of the New Age"? (or the video)
>What do you think of it? (I saw part of it, some years ago--my memory is
>faulty)
>Carol Slingo

Carol:

I also saw this tape and have seen it advertised lately.  I thought it
was put out by Peter LaLonde of The Omega Letter and The Christian
World Report, but I'm not sure.

                                        Liz
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:59:06 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: re:pro-choice
              8 Apr 1992 10:49:59 CST from
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Kim:

I know you were talking to Roy, but I really must address this.  Tell
me to shut up if you like, I don't much mind.  If you (and, as you say,
many pro-choice women) actually believe that the child (fetus/baby/
product of conception/alpha/X) is alive, on what basis do you justify
taking that life?

I do not understand the contraception argument.  Are you saying that you
feel that contraception is the moral equivalent of abortion?  If not, why
would you not want to treat them differently?  If so, then you are saying
that you believe that contraception is also the taking of a life.  I am
now extremely confused.
                               Love INC,
                                        ---Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:42:00 EDT
From:         The List Minor <VCHAI@SMITH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Parable in Matt.

>Andrew Brennan <BRENNAAA@DUVM.BITNET> writes:
>>      What was the real reason that the Pharisees had Jesus killed?

John Thayer Jensen replies:
>That is envy.  Envy is not 'I want what he has.'  It's 'I want what he has;
>I know I can never get it; since I can't have it, I don't want anyone to
>have it, even if it costs me.'
>The Pharisees hated Jesus because He was
>the Son of God, and because He was sinless, and they were neither.

  I thought the Pharisees did _not_ believe that He was the Son of
  God, nor that He was sinless, because they considered Him to be a
  mere carpenter's son.

  ?? Vicky
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:41:19 PDT
From:         Doug Gould <5315P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reading Mormon

Hi, John--

Good to hear you're reading the Book of Mormon.  Yes, there are some
helps for keeping track of names and places.  I have a pseudo-map of the
lands in which the major story takes place.  I also have a chronology
of the record keepers which spans the 1,000 year history of the book.
I have been reading the book, myself, for more than 30 years--currently,
a chapter a day.  And I still refer to these study aids.  But since I
don't think the list is interested in them, why don't we discuss them
via direct correspondence.  I could send you the chronology over the
network.  The map is a problem since it's a graphic.  But I'd be happy
to send it to you via snail mail.  Send me your postal address if you'd
like a copy.

God bless,

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:33:31 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More info on my prayer request

Roy:
For what it's worth, this is my advice.  Find out if there is a prolife
organization you could work with if you took the other job that would
allow you to have the kind of impact you think God has in mind for you.
Pray about it.  Ask God if He would provide if you forsake material
security to intercede for His unborn children (I think I know the answer
to that one!)  Ask God whether you can be as effective for Him in a
software job.  There may be opportunities of which you are not now aware.
Pray about it.  Ask others to pray for you.  Pray about it.  Test the
spiritual waters in both places (can you be a Christian in a software
company--for all you know the place may be a bastion of prolife
sentiment that has developed computer programs to link prolife believers!
Not likely, but you never know.)  Pray about it.  Pray about it.  Pray
about it.  He'll let you know.
                                     Love INC,
                                              ---Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:55:40 EST
From:         John Ross <ROSSJB@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RE:abortion
              10 Apr 1992 08:33:50 CST from
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>Yes, I'm from a large family, poverty was"all that bad", yes,
>my parents abused us, and yes, abuse is very common among large
>families as well as small ones. My point about the woman in the
>first example was not that we should have abortions because
>children "are a drag", but that pregnant women can be facing a
>terrible future and instead of shouting at them to change the
>laws about abortion we should be assisting them so they can
>discover that children are indeed a blessing. If you want these
>children to live, lets give them a decent home.

Ah, excuse me, most pro-life organizations _are_ trying to help women
give their kids a decent life.  You are muddying the waters.

Does Planned Parenthood help women get diapers?
Does Planned Parenthood help women get abortions?

I guess we can see where they really stand on the issues.

If they were really "pro-choice," wouldn't they want to help support
the choices made by women?

Then why don't they?

John
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:32:26 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Quote
              17 Apr 1992 09:42:00 MDT from <SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>

Steven:
Amen to William Penn!  And, BTW, if you look for them, you can find
similar quotes from most of the Founders.
                                         Love INC,
                                                  ---Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:04:59 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: prayers
              16 Apr 1992 14:10:51 CST from
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Kim:

That is strange.  Maybe Dr. A. was running out of time and needed saving.
Maybe he got saved before the end.  We may never know.  By the way,
I heard that Sam Kinison (who used to be a Pentecostal preacher) got out
of the car before he died (after the accident) and seemed, according to
witnesses, to be talking to someone who wasn't there.  He was allegedly
saying that he didn't want to die and asking why.  I heard from a different
source that he said "OK" before he died.  Maybe he came back.  Who knows?
The Lord works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.  Would be nice
if somebody found out about it though, wouldn't it?

Related subject:  I hear John Tesch (sp?) of Entertainment Tonight and his
new wife, Connie Selleca, are born-again Christians and remained celibate
while they were engaged.  Nice to hear, but John, John, John--Entertainment
Tonight?  Sigh.  least it isn't on MTV, right?
                                              Love INC,
                                                       ---Kerry
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From:         LIZ MOREAU <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Feminist theology/little god movement

>feminist summary when I get it done.  Also, Mitchel Pacwa had an article in
>recent CRJ concerning some new-age stuff and the Catholic church.  If there's
>interest I guess I could summarize that one as well (who needs sleep?).

I'd appreciate if you could post this.

Thanks!

                                                Liz
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:00:43 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Two different questions

Marty:
      As a Christian pacifist, I definitely weigh in as a "yes" on both
questions.  However, I also think we ought to take care to put the word
"abortion" into our subject headings to avoid the ire of others on the
list.  Later,
             Love INC,
                      ---Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:52:19 EDT
From:         Argie Cowan <CWPLCAC@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Pre-marital sex according to the Bible

Paul,

This is what I have found the Bible to say about pre-marital sex: first
the Bible uses the word fornication, defined by Webster as human sexual
intercourse other than between a man and his wife.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye abstain from
fornication.

1 Corinthians 6:13B
...Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord:  and the Lord for
for the body.

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication.  Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he
that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

There is a lot more about fornication in the Bible, in the old and new
testament.  Look up the word fornication in a concordance (a good one).

I hope this has been a blessing to you because it certainly has blessed
me to share what God has said to you in his word.

In God's Love
Argie
New York
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:04:44 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Feminist theology/little god movement

Fellow List Folk:

In exploring the literature of feminist theology, I have come across the
following.  I would appreciate any comments you would have to make on
its appropriateness to Christianity, its functionality in the church,
and/ or the spiritual condition you infer from the source:

The Lord's Prayer as modified for inclusivity (suggested in "Women and
Worship" by Sharon Neufer Emswiler):

Our Mother/Father, who is everywhere,
Holy be your names.
May your new age come
May your will be done
In this and in every time and place.

Meet our needs each day and
Forgive our failure to love
As we forgive this same failure in others.

Save us in hard times, and
Lead us in the ways of love.
For yours is the wholeness, and the power,
And the loving, forever.  Amen.


Please bear in mind that this is suggested for mainline Protestant churches,
not some flaky New Age or pagan congregations.

And, to be even-handed about it, I thought some of you might be interested in
this, from a speech on self-esteem (what else?) by Robert Schuller:

  "We will never truly understand the nature and character of our relationship
    to God until we can comfortably say, 'Our Father, which art in heaven,
    hallowed be _my_ name" (emphasis original).

And, finally, from Kenneth Hagin:  "Whenever I'm reading in the Bible and I
come across God saying 'I am,' I say 'I am, too.'"

WHAT is going on in the church, people?

Any comments?
             Love INC,
                      ---Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:20:00 EDT
From:         The List Minor <VCHAI@SMITH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: prayers

>Hi, I'm Peter.  This is my first posting, and I guess I'm a bit nervous.
>  Hope I won't say the wrong thing.

   Good to hear from you, Peter!

>HE IS RISEN!

   Indeed, Praise God!

   Vicky
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:39:00 EDT
From:         The List Minor <VCHAI@SMITH.BITNET>
Subject:      Matt 9:37,38

>     "Then saith he unto his disciples, "The harvest truly is
>plenteous, but the laborers are few; Pray therefore the Lord
>of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his
>harvest."  Matthew 9:37,38.

   Some (obvious, and maybe not so obvious) facts in these verses:
   - there _is_ a *Lord* of the harvest
   - the harvest is _ready_
   - _only_ the Lord of the harvest can send forth the workers
   - we need to go _directly_ to the Lord of the harvest to ask
     Him to send laborers (ie. the laborers do not ask each other,
     nor their relatives, friends, etc. to go into the fields)

   I was wondering if anyone has the time to research how the
   the idea of "harvest" is used in this passage, and would let
   me know?

   Vicky
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:48:06 EDT
From:         Andrew Brennan <BRENNAAA@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Abortion / Two different questions ...

      On that question of legality/morality of abortion ...

      Isn't this a reverse of the separation of church and state?

      The state is not to put limits, etc. on the church - isn't
   the reverse (obverse?) true?  Thus, the moral question is not
   necessarily the legal question?

      I do agree with the solution of the problem being to reduce
   the *demand* and not the supply (I think).  I just don't think
   I've seen it put in that way.

      andrew.  (brennaaa@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:38:24 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: pro-choice
              8 Apr 1992 10:22:52 EDT from <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Brenda:
I wish it were possible to discuss the topic in terms we all agree on,
but I cannot see how that can be done.  Each side has chosen a rhetorical
stance that favors its own position.  An example:  to me, the most
accurate term for the being we are discussing is "unborn."  That, however,
begs the question of birth, implying that birth should be the outcome of
pregnancy and favoring one side over another.  The term "baby" can be
seen as inflammatory because it, too, implies a later state of being.
The term "fetus" is terminologically inaccurate, failing to take into
account other developmental stages that occur before birth.  "Products of
conception" is both euphemistic and disgusting.  In one of the chapters in
"Aborting America," Bernard Nathanson dispenses with the rhetoric and calls
it "alpha," allowing him to discuss it from a completely scientific viewpoint.
I highly recommend that discussion to anyone who is willing to look at the
theory and practice of abortion with an open mind, without clinging to their
own position.
  I do not appreciate the manner you chose to ridicule the term "prolife".
I will concede that perhaps I should qualify my position as favoring the
sanctity of human life over and above the quality of that life, when such
a choice must be made.  However, my _personal_ position is seamless garment
prolife and does include opposition to capital punishment and war.
  I suppose that what disturbs me about the societal discussion on abortion,
particularly among Christians, is that one side is explicitly claiming to seek
to follow the will of God on public policy, while the other side explicitly
rejects the notion that God has a right to an opinion on public policy.  While
"choice" does not automatically mean abortion in the English language, it does
_always_ imply the elevation of self-will over God's will, which I find only to
be expected in a secular democratic society.  Among Christians, however, I must
ask where the God of the Bible has granted us any rights other than to worship
and serve Him and to do His will.  Biblically, Christians have no rights, only
obligations, to Him and to others.  Even where God grants a right in the Bible,
it is explicitly dependent on HIS protection, not our own. (Ps. 9:4).
  Perhaps, then, "right to life movement" is a misnomer.  Perhaps it might be
more accurately termed the "obligation to protect the lives of otherwise de-
fenseless others" movement.  Hmmm.
                                  Love INC,
                                           ---Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:12:00 EDT
From:         NWILSON@SMITH.BITNET
Subject:      Broken Dreams

As children bring their broken toys
With tears for us to men,
I brought my broken dreams to God
Because He was my Friend.

But instead of leaving Him
In peace to work alone,
I hung around and tried to help
With ways that were my own.

At last I snatched them back and cried,
"How can You be so slow?"
"My child," He said. "What could I do?"
"You never let them go."


******
Praise our God that if we just give Him the problem and not try to take it back,
He will work it out.

Nicole
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:32:25 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rally
              7 Apr 1992 08:53:01 EDT from <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:53:01 EDT Brenda Curry-White said:
>Urban Research Institute
>Phone: 502-588-6626
>
>I heard on the news last night that the estimate of 500,000 came from the
>National Parks Service--NOT from the media.  Keep in mind that the Parks
>Service is part of the conservative, pro-life administration.
That is true but irrelevant.  There is no reason to assume that every
appointment in every department is checked to determine the candidate's
views on abortion.  Also, while cabinet members and other top
officials are appointed, many administrative positions are civil service
positions.  There is no reason why a militant pro-abortionist could
not pass a series of civil service tests.  It is possible that that 500,000
figure is correct, but it is by no means certain.  We have no way of knowing.
Fortunately, even if the number were several times larger it would not
affect the fact that morality is based on God's law, not majority vote.

If jet plains were available in the 1850s so people could assemble from
all over the country, I wonder how many people would have attended a
rally to protect "property rights" when the "property right" in question
was the right to own slaves.

Marty Helgesen
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Feminist theology/little god movement

Darryl:
I have a question.  Many Christian authors have stated that psychology is
itself a religion, particularly Jungian psychology.  Do you agree with this
position?  If so, would you say that you would accept the principles of
psychology over those of Christianity if they conflicted, or vice-versa?
If not, could you explain why not?  Just wondering.  Thanks.
                                                            Love INC,
                                                                  ---Kerry
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