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From: e0215@typhoon.kki.esi.yamanashi.ac.jp (Ahmed Ashir)
Subject: any B'deshis in TIT(Tokyo Instt of Tech)?
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Organization: Dept. of Electrical Eng. & Comp. Sci., Yamanashi Univ., Japan.
Distribution: soc.culture.bangladesh
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:00:10 GMT

Hello!
I'm an undergrad student at Yamanashi university,would like to have
some informations about TIT.
Could someone please help me about this matter?
Thanking in advance.
--
Ashir 
homma homma ho
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Trade deficit with India
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:32:37 GMT
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   in the formal bilateral trade with india, bangladesh has incurred a
cumulative deficit of around 2 billion u.s. dollars during the last
seven years from 1984-85 to 1991-92.  bangladesh has emerged as the
third largest trading partner of india in the seven-state south asian
association for regional cooperation (saarc) during this period,
india's exports to bangladesh rose seven times while bangladesh's
export to india declined by 65 percent.  according to statistics, the
total volume of the two-way trade between the two countries came to
238.78 million u.s. dollars in 1991-92, and the imbalance stood at
223.46 million u.s. dollars in favor of india.  the latest available
figures showed that bangladesh exported goods worth only 2.5 million
u.s.  dollars to india in the first five-month period upto november
1992, against its imports worth 100 million u.s. dollars from india in
the same period.  but, formal trade comprise only one part of the
bilateral trade between the two countries, and the major part of the
trade is believed to be routed through informal channels or
cross-border smuggling.  the trade deficit on a cumulative basis, the
newspapers estimated to be closer to five to six billion u.s. dollars
against bangladesh, the bangladesh market is flooded with indian
sarees (woman's dress), though the government earlier announced its
anti-smuggling drive.  there is also another important dimension to
indo- bangladesh trade, and that relates to the services sector, the
largest number of foreign tourists in india come from bangladesh, a
large number of them go there for medical treatment and pilgrimage,
besides, over 40,000 bangladeshi students are studying there.  foreign
exchange transactions, through both formal and informal channels,
involve a large chunk of money for payments for such services, the
combined market of goods and services for india in bangladesh is sized
at about one billion u.s. dollars per annum.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hossain@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem)
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: Child Labor 
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:03:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.204010.29104@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:
>If child labor is prohibited by law, what alternatives will be open
>before these children?  I agree if these children are replaced by adults,
>society will be better off in general (at least in the short run). But
>I don't think roaming around in streets and leading a carefree life will make
>their existence more meaningful.  Our schools are already overloaded and
>the way our economy is moving, it would be extremely difficult to
>build new schools.  Even if they receive proper schooling, how helpful will
>it be for them in the long run?  It will cause a substantial increase in the
>number of educated jobless. 
>
If I understood correctly, you are implying, since those people will be 
jobless any way even after proper education, there is no need to send them 
to school. In my opinion, that is wrong for our society. (By the way, is that
the reason that the government is spending so little money in education?)

>Considering our socio-economic structure, it is only realistic to put more
>emphasis on vocational trainings.  If these children can get some hand-on
>experience and acquire some skills while making money, I wouldn't think there
>is anything wrong with it (as long as their job doesn't require too much
>physical strain, like pulling a rickshaw).
>  

True.

>-- 
>     KHALED AZIZ               | "Money talks,
>mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu    |  But it can't sing and dance, 
>mkaziz@argo.acs.oakland.edu    |  And it can't walk."
>  			       |  	 	          -NEIL DIAMOND

---Moazzem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (M Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Secular, Muslim Brotherhood and Changes
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:26:09 GMT

In article <jhardono.6.727783085@ucs.indiana.edu> jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO) writes:
>Dear netters,
>     What is happening to our muslims brothers and sisters around
>the world shows to us that our brotherhood and our sensitivity
>among muslims are not too strong. Maybe some of muslims
[deleted]

It all sounds very good, muslim brotherhood, but in reality the muslims in this world were never very supportive of any liberation war against an oppressive regime.  We can find a lot of example to back up my claim: Bangladesh's liberation
war against Pakistanis, Palestanian struggle, Afgan war, Kashmiri struggle,
Bosnian struggle, etc. etc.  The reason why the muslim "brothers" who are in
position to render any financial or other supports are affraid of promoting
any democratic struggle or movement for fear of being subjected to the same
struggle from their own people against the muslim Kingdoms, monarchy, etc.  For
the muslim autoctrats and monarchs it better not to open their mouth.

>Iraq wonder what the muslims  these countries (across by seas) are doing.
>Have they done something better?... Did they know that their
>brothers and sisters who are living close to them are being
>murders, tortured, bombarded and raped?

Why Iraq has to wonder about the role her muslim brothers can play to protect
them from Wetern "infidels"? Don't they remember the role their muslim brothers
played in smashing and destroying Iraq under the leadership of westerners?  And
why the muslims have to come forward to help other muslims engaged in an immoral
act such as raping other muslim women as the Pakistanis did in 1971 in Bangladesh, or taking away a sovereign country like Kuwait?  Which side of the front
the muslims should be on where both sides are muslims?  On the side of the 
oppressors?  That's what Saudi Arabia did in 1971.  They didn't even recognize
Bangladesh until the death of Mujib - the founder of Bangladesh.  3 million
people killed in Bangladesh were muslims (most of them).  Who killed them?
SO CALLED MUSLIMS OF PAKISTAN. 
>     Unfortunately, most of current muslim countries are being
>ruled by western puppets or beggars . So, we need changes... The
>solution is there... We have to replace our secular government.

We don't need to change any secular government,  because secularism is
recognized in Koran (see Unbelievers - a verse of Koran).  What we
really need to do is to overthrow muslim monarchs and kingdom in an attempt
to establish a secular and democratic world.


>hadi... 

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.nepal,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.tamil
From: appy@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Pratul.Sharma)
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-766-1818 for Indian Music Cd's& Read This !
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:38:30 GMT

In article <1k202vINNa37@aludra.usc.edu> moinuddi@usc.edu (Asif Moinuddin) writes:
>Dear Friends,
>
>	Now, quite a wide variety of Indian music is available on CD's. 
>	The following categories of music offers more than 2,500 titles 
>	on Compact Discs. 
>	You will however have to pay $3.00 through Credit Card for shipping
>	of the catalog which contains THE LARGEST COLLECTION OF
>	INDIAN CD'S AND INCLUDES ALMOST ALL THE INDIAN CD'S released
>	so far. Additionally, you will receive periodic information
>	about the new releases .
>
>	You can also send $3.00 for catalog shipping through a check
>	payable to Asmara Compact Disc House and mail it to the following
>	address.
>
>		Asmara Compact Disc House
>		5568 Sepulveda Blvd.,
>		Culver City CA 90230
>
>Alternately, if you don't need the catalog, call 1-800-766-1818
>and leave your Name and address. You will receive periodic
>information about the new releases.
>




This "JOINT" sucks !! 
I sent $3.00/- to this address and all I got back was a sheet of paper
with about info about 10-15 cd's,

Talk about trusting these desi's !!

BEWARE!


-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Pratul Sharma 
E-Mail: appy@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: Child Labor
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:49:11 GMT

In article 4qC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:

>    The  Bangladesh government is spending a considerable amount of money on 
> education. In fiscal 1992, education was one of the largest areas of expen-
> diture (perhaps someone with concrete stats. can enlighten us). I think what
> he was trying to say (correct me if I`m wrong) is that if it is unreasonable
> to expect the govt. to educate all of these children given our overburdened
> resources. This viewpoint is debatable. It would be better if the govt. decided
> to mandate a bill requiring employers to do so. 

A technical question. Bangladesh is a member of ILO and has signed the ILO 
charter which bans child labor. Can Bangladesh pass a law that allows child labor 
with the provision that the employers would provide education to these children 
and still not face UN prosecution?

> Rafat Sadiq

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: Child Labor (from soc.right
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:21:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.164858.26932@news.clarkson.edu>, haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,) writes:
> In article 93Jan20174516@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan) writes:
> Most of the workers in the garment industries are women and children, because 
> they are preferred by the employers. They ask for less salary, they don't go 
> for trade unions and they don't create troubles. If child labor is banned 
> in those places, they have to hire adults at higher salaries (these indusries 
> wouldn't drown even if they pay the workers right). It will reduce the labor 
> exploitation by the employers. In the long run, this is probably better for the children. Firing the children wouldn't make them starve, it will get their parents 
> a better opportunity to feed them, instead of feeding on their children's income.
    It is unlikely that the parents of children live of the earnings of their
children. As it is, an adult male working in a garments factory can barely
earn enough to support a family. Adult females fare worse, and the trend is 
obvious for children. Chances are these children along with their parent 
work to scrape a living that just somehow manages to put them above 
susistance level. It is logical to assume that if possible, the parents
would have sent their children to school to receive an education. The
fact that they have not done so indicates that these children are forced
to work. 

   The ideal of child labor is extrmely repulsive (at least to me). However, 
after living in the west for a long time, we tend to live in a different plane
of reality. It is not unreasonable to suggest that in the long run banning
child labor will improve the scenario. Economics however does not tell us  
whether or not a policy is conscienable. It only gives the costs. IF
child labor is banned, what can we do in the short run to alleviate the
sufferings that the loss of income will cause. Unless we have a feasable
solution, banning child labor will have a negative impact.

regards
Rafat Sadiq


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: News Headlines
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:44:11 GMT
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Here are news headlines. Details later.

Jan 22

The EC has introduced a double checking system for monitoring textile
imports originating in Bangladesh due to large scale fraud.

Bangladesh Foreign minister to discuss Burmese refugees with Boutros
Ghali

400 die of diarrhoea

Nurses on indefinite strike

Jan 21st

Six more die in cold spell as temperatures fall to 42 degrees
Fahrenheit

Jan 20th

Bangladesh sends military observers ot Bosnia-Hercegovina

Parliament pass resolution condemning Babri mosque demolition

Blast on ship injures 21

Massive trade deficit with India.

Jan 19th

Bangladesh suspends repatriation of Burmese refugees

Bangladesh Jute Corporation to be shut down.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Origin of the name "Dhaka"
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:18:30 GMT

There's a most plausibly an apocryphal story about the naming of
Dhaka. Some Moghul general wanted to set up an encampment on the
bank of the river. He asked his drummer to beat on his drum [Dhak],
and the reach of the drum beats delineated the boundaries of a
new city to be henceforth called "Dhaka". I agree, quite apocryphal.

- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza)
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: Child Labor
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:19:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <SAHMED.93Jan24133147@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
>In article <C1D7Lr.BEL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>>   I think this is the best solution proposed so far. By requiring employers
>>to look after the long term welfare of their child employees we would be
>>solving the problem the best way our meager resources permit. The only problem
>>would be enforcing such legislation.
>
>As you said above enforcing the legislation would be almost
>impossible. None of our present laws are enforced what would make
>anyone think a child labour law would be. 

This is probably where we fit in. We have to be critical of ourselves. For 
instance those of us who did politics back home while we were students, how
conscious were we of the politics we did ? One thing I never did understand
was the mind of the so called politicians ( student politicians). Just for the
sake of being a member of a party we never did criticize the wrong doings of 
the party or were always defensive of that party's actions. It is true that
big brothers ran the whole picture, but why did we small brothers defend the
big brother ?
 
The minimum we could do as common citizens is teach our younger generations of
the high morals and make them more conscious of wrongdoing around us. For
example, like you mentioned about child labour in our houses. We could be 
much more conscious and teach our friends and family the rights of these 
children. If it is not possible to have them sent to school, have them receive
education within the house. There are a lot of house where these children are
really treated unfairly and inhumanly. One of the first steps towards the
amelioration of the sufferings of these would be the betterment of the 
lifestyle of these children. It is of no doubt that they are considered as
second class citizens if not less. So the solutions would be not to get rid of
them but to improve ourselves in facing up to such situations. 

Example: Most children when small are not allowed outdoors, but the so called
child labors are frequently sent out of the house to do marketings however small
they are. These sort of attitudes have to change. You see these sort of action 
teaches the younger generation that how deplorable are the child laborers. They
are automatically imbedded with the thought that if something happens to the
child labor it is not that serious, but the landlord can never take the risk of
having his or her child sent outdoor.

We have to ask ourselves a lot of questions : Politicians are our father uncle
auntie or friend if not us. So the problem lies within us . We are always 
afraid to answer these questions. 

Coming to America, I have learnt one thing. People over here are much more
responsible and conscious of their own responsibilities.

SO The first legislation we could enforce would be our own houses
 and backyards.


Md IShfaqur Raza
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Excerpts: State of the World's Children: UNICEF 93
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:44:42 GMT

UNICEF's State of the World's Children -- 1993
----------------------------------------------

[Some excerpts relevant to Bangladesh]
NB: The full text can be obtained from misc.activism.progressive.

.......over the last five years, immunization coverage has been 
lifted dramatically in many nations with per capita incomes of 
less than $500 a year, including Bangladesh, the Central African 
Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Myanmar, Nepal, the Sudan, Uganda, 
Viet Nam, and Zambia.
...

.......Similarly, countries such as Bangladesh and Colombia have 
demonstrated that a basic, relevant education can be provided at 
a cost of approximately $20 per child per year.  
...

.......Equally large-scale trials in Africa and in India have shown
that the incidence of child malnutrition can also now be halved
at a cost of less than $10 per child per year.(fn#16)  "A direct
attack on malnutrition is needed..."  says a World Bank report,
"and governments willing to make that effort now have effective
and affordable measures to make it happen."    
...

.......Reported cases of the main vaccine-preventable diseases are
declining and WHO believes there is a reasonable chance that the
1995 goal of eliminating neonatal tetanus will be met.  Countries
such as Bangladesh, Bolivia, Ecuador, Malawi, Namibia, Sri Lanka,
Tanzania, and possibly Brazil have already begun serious efforts
to halve the rate of malnutrition.  Similarly, several countries
are moving determinedly towards the goal of water and sanitation
for all - including Bangladesh, Burundi, China, Ghana, India,
Nigeria, Paraguay, the Sudan, Togo, Viet Nam, and virtually all
the countries of Central America. 
...

.......Many developing countries could provide examples, but it 
will be sufficient to cite the case of Bangladesh: against formidable
internal and external difficulties, one of Asia's poorest and most 
populous countries succeeded in lifting its level of immunization 
coverage from only 2% in 1985 to 62% in 1990. "Never in the country's 
history," wrote a UNICEF officer in Dhaka, "had so many groups come 
together for a single social programme: the President, eight social 
sector ministries, parliamentarians, senior civil servants, journalists, 
TV and radio, hundreds of non-governmental organizations, social and
youth clubs, religious leaders, film and sports stars and local
business leaders all worked successfully towards a common
goal."
... 

-- Zunaid Kazi
   kazi@cis.udel.edu
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: Child Labor (from soc.right
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:14:45 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan23.170744.26920@news.clarkson.edu>, haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,) writes:

> Also they have more leverage thru the unions. At the same time as
> you have mentioned, we should also keep in mind the oversupply of
> labor

The severe oversupply of labor in a market sector where not too much
skill is required, is precisely why the unions would be unlikely to
achieve anything significant.

-- Shakil
From: ahussam@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: BSBN
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:47:00 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

TEST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: Child Labor
	<1993Jan24.200326.16570@sol.cs.wmich.edu>
	<C1DqqH.4qC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:30:51 GMT
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In article <C1DqqH.4qC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>The  Bangladesh government is spending a considerable amount of money on 
>education. In fiscal 1992, education was one of the largest areas of expen-
>diture (perhaps someone with concrete stats. can enlighten us). I think what
>he was trying to say (correct me if I`m wrong) is that if it is unreasonable
>to expect the govt. to educate all of these children given our overburdened
>resources. This viewpoint is debatable. It would be better if the govt. decided
>to mandate a bill requiring employers to do so. 

Yes in 4 of the last 5 years the largest areas of expenditure by the
government was on education. In 1991 it was transportation and
communication. 

It's easy to pass a mandate on education but how do you make the
employers implement the new law. Ask them to send the children to
school? Firstly it's quite difficult to get a kid into a school in
Dhaka and other cities. Secondly Bangladesh has almost no night
schools. Why should an employer send his employee to school in normal
business hours. He may as well hire someone else.
Have in house education facilities? Not possible for small companies
like a garments plant to maintain such facilities and still remain
competetive. While it may be possible for say 20 garments plants to
operate joint facilities the location will be a problem. If the low
paid workers have to pay money to get to the school I don't think they
would. 
Besides all that the fact remains that a law will never work unless
there is sufficient resources to enforce it or there is an incentive
for employers to follow it. We have neither the stick nor the carrot.
Of course there must be solutions to the problem, but creating more
laws is not the complete solution. 

Saif







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