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From: pals@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Stoning (tennis ball practice)
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:53:07 CDT
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In article <1992Oct1.114013.3935@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, 
snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41) writes:
> 
> I have always felt that any decent MA study should include practice
> evading and blocking throw object (or catching and reusing).  A pretty
> safe way to accomplish this training is tennis balls.  ...
> Instructor has balls, student facing them 15 - 20 feet away.  Instructor
> kihaps and throws ball.  Student can block, dodge etc.  All other students
> collect the balls which GO EVERYWHERE :-)  ....  Great fun!

My neighbor and I used to do a variant of this.  He was a tennis player,
and had some kind of elastic net he would serve into for practice, about 7'
high and 5' wide or so.  I would stand behind the net and stop the balls
(with my hands :) as they contacted the net.  It was, in fact, a blast.

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From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:29:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct2.182906.11000
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.181319.3555@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.230735.29989@intelhf.hf.intel.com> stan@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stan Uffner) writes:
>>No one should use any "Zen" explanation for aspects aikido, at least if they
>>are trying to relate to the way O-sensei thought of it.
>>
>>"Zen" had very little to do with O-sensei's aikido. He was influenced by
>>Shinto and Omotyo ko. Granted, that all Japanese are affected by the "Zen"
>>influence on their culture, but there is no connection between formal "Zen
>>Buddhism" and O-sensei's aikido.
>
>
>  I'm not sure I buy this response.  O-sensei never studied physics either
>(at least not to my knowledge), but this doesn't prevent explanations in
>terms of physical principles from being relevant in aikido.  

	Minor point of fact: O'Sensei did indeed study physics.  
	(He studied accounting as well.  Makes I wonder if there are
	single-entry and double-entry variants of techniques .... ;-])

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From: rwalton@tehmi.next.com (Robert Walton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido Yoshinkai Demonstration -- Bay Area
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:53:44 GMT

In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep29113508@atomic.princeton.edu>  
mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
> Just a small nit: I quote from Cindy Paloma's Aikido online dojo list:
> 
> AANA (Aikido Association of North America) is under the direction of  
Kimeda,
>            Morita, and Utada.  The style is influenced by Yoshinkan  
Aikido.
> 
> AANC (Aikido Association of Northern California) is under the direction 
>            of Frank Doran, Robert Nadeau, and Bill Witt.  Dan ranks 
>            are registered at Aikikai Hombu Dojo.
> 
> So, yes, Morita Sensei is hot stuff, but he is not associated with the
> AANC, just the AANA (which is, of course, larger).
> --
> 
> 
> Michael D. Hirsch		mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu    
> Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
> Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771 

So what is Yoshinkan Aikido?  Is this a "hard" or fighting style more like  
aikijitsu (since Morita-sensei seems to have learned the basics with the  
riot police in Tokyo)?  Does Morita teach it but not Doran or Nadeau?  I'm  
giving some serious thought to becoming an Aikido-ka, but want a style  
with strong emphasis on technique and application, and serious training v.  
the new age or ki development stuff (see a separate post earlier this  
week).

Any thoughts, suggestions?  Give it up and go Hapkido?  :-)

Thanks,

Robert
From: exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Summary: counting out
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:39:55 GMT
Reply-To: exudms@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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In article M25@apollo.hp.com, stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
->In article <XoF7RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, miller@bluemoon.rn.com (John
->Miller) writes:
->|> 1 = IL (ill)
->|> 2 = YI (ee as in week, no Y sound)
->|> 3 = SAM (sahm and in samba)
->|> 4 = SAH (sah as in sahm without the m)
->|> 5 = OH (long O sound)
->|> 6 = YOOK (oo as in kookie NOT cookie)
->|> 7 = CHIL (as as CH + IL from above)
->|> 8 = PAL (hard P, ahl as in all)
->|> 9 = KU (koo as in kookie)
->|> 10 = SHIP (sheep, but abrupt vowel sound)
->
->I'm pretty sure that what you have here is first, second, third, forth, etc
->rather than one, two, three, four, etc
->
->Joel Stave
->stave@apollo.hp.com

I'm shure that 1, 2, 3, etc. should be "Hana", "Dool", "Set", etc.

/New Dave
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From: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore)
Subject: Re: Weak Ankles and Karate
Reply-To: zwbm07@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:26:46 GMT

In article 29940@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca, anderson@fermi.phys.ualberta.ca (Warren G. >So my question is "has anyone else had this problem? How can it be dealt with?"
>If I eliminate kumite I should be OK, but our particular school does not allow
>one to advance into the higher belts without kumite, and I really like this  
>club. Suggestions, comments, criticism and questions welcome.

I suggest you begin roller/ice skating once/week. THis should build up your ankles'
strength very nicely, plus it's also good exercise.

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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:37:42 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>I believe (and please someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the
>steady slow method was introduced by Yang Cheng-FU to make it
>more 'accessible' to almost everyone.  So fast, slow, it really
>doesn't matter except that when doing it slowly and steadily, this
>allows you to concentrate on certain aspects that are more difficult
>to concentrate on when doing the form at 'real' speed.

At the school I attend (xingyi and Chen taiji) we occasionally get some
elderly folks sign up for taiji who have never practiced any martial
arts before.  They heard that taiji is good for one's health.  They
usually do not last long.  I suspect the vigor of the Chen style is just
too much for them for their level of experience and activity.

My teacher said that Yang Cheng-fu divided the postures into two groups
(and created two forms), one slower and less physically demanding and
another with the more physically demanding.  He would teach the latter
after the student became physically fit enough after practicing the
first form to restore health.  My teacher said many students quit after
their health was regained and did not learn the more demanding form.
He claimed for some known reason Cheng Man-ching never taught the
second form.

As a side note, I met a teacher who said that Cheng
Man-ching said that Westerners are incapable of learning the Yang
long form.  If Cheng really believed this, maybe that is why he simplified
the long form and never taught the physically demanding form since he spent
a large part of his life in the U.S.

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From: rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski)
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:55:38 GMT

In article <eric.t.zmarzly.1-280992015105@lafmac19.lafortune.lab.nd.edu.>, eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:
> I was wondering about the differences between the art in the US and Japan. 
> Is the philosophy different?  The practice?  I heard it was much more
> intense in Japan, how much so?

In Tomiki Aikido, we use to get some of the newer dan ranks from Japan
every few years to bring the latest safer (or improved :-) ) way of
performing techniques.  These were college kids that study ma's like
we study american football here in the states in college.  The only
differance was that we would have relaxed (not as intense) training
classes more often then they do.  Otherwise, it's the same.  

In classical (Hombu) Aikido, we would usually have older visiting
dans, and these where typical workouts with minimal talking; just
concentrate on learning.  Nothing differant than our typical workout. 

Of course we ALWAYS went out for beer and pizza afterwards and had a
great time, no matter how old our visitor was.

In other words, 'people are people' (TM).

I've mentioned this before, but there was a case of 'national pride'
when Americans went to Japan for some Tomiki competion and beat the
Japanese team in all matches except for one that ended in a tie.  Well
the Japanese students told the Americans after the second match the
following week, that they where not allowed to attend their normal
classes, and instead had to workout ~10-12 hours a day to prepare for
the next match.  They ended winning more of the matches the second tme
around.

> Also, in Aikido, are there any techniques for kicks?  I have not come
> across any in my limited studing.

In my limited experience, there is a local (I think it's only a local)
school in the suburbs of Chicago that teaches Budo Aikido.  The
teacher invented it, by combining some various arts.  It's one of
those 'hit your attacker many-many-many times before they even fall to
the ground' type of styles.  Mostly punches and kicks.  I wouldn't say
it incorporated Aikido, because we (I and some others) were always
being corrected on new techniques, that we where doing them wrong. 
The way we applied tehchniques were classical Aikido.  Instead we
should do them another way.  Not the they were not effective, don't
get me wrong.  Just that they were not following the basic principles
of Aikido.

You may have to go to Aiki-jitsu to find kicks, but this is beyond my
real experience.
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:23:21 GMT
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In article <1203@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>
>As a side note, I met a teacher who said that Cheng
>Man-ching said that Westerners are incapable of learning the Yang
>long form.  If Cheng really believed this, maybe that is why he simplified
>the long form and never taught the physically demanding form since he spent
>a large part of his life in the U.S.
>
Maybe a lot of people don't realize some special characteristics of
Chinese Kung fu master.  A lot of them have to obey some regulations
set up by their kung fu ancestors.  They cannot teach the secrets
of their art to unrelated people.  In the past, some family kung fu
like Chen taiqi, they seldom taught any non-Chen people or even if
they did, they reserved some parts.  For mantis, it is only in this
decade that the art spread out of the NorthEast of China.  A lot of
examples like this.
And a lot of kung fu masters have to obey their masters' regulations
for not teaching their art to foreigners.
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:00:23 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <26454@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>
>The story relayed by Wu Ying-hua and Ma Yueh-liang of the Wu school in 
>Shanghai is that both Yang Cheng-fu and Wu Chien-chuan took the old
>Yang forms they each learned (Yang from his father and uncles, Wu
>Chien-chuan from his father who had learned from Yang Lu-chan) and
>each had created, respectively, the common long Yang and Wu forms
>seen today.
>

hmmm...  yes..  having spent a few years doing the Wu style,
this is consistent with the fact that the WU and Yang Cheng-Fu forms
are very similar...




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From: braun@fisher.ucdavis.edu (Jerome Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido Yoshinkai Demonstration -- Bay Area
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:42:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis



       AIKIDO DEMONSTRATION
10 Year Anniversary Demonstration

       Masatoshi Morita,
       6th Dan Aikido Yoshinkai

       Saturday, October 3

       Capuchino High School Theater
       1501 Magnolia Avenue
       San Bruno, CA

Tickets $5.00 available at the door or call
the Aikido Association for information
       (415) 345-1501

Quick biography of Morita Sensei:

     Born in 1947, Morita Sensei began his Aikido
training at the age of 25 under Shioda Sensei.  
He was a member of the Tokyo Riot Police Force
when he started training in the Senshusei course
at the Aikido Yoshinkan Honbu Dojo.  The Senshusei
course is one of the most intensive Aikido training
programs available.  The course lasts for nine 
months with the students living at the dojo and
practicing Aikido for eight hours a day.
     In 1975, Morita Sensei came to the United States
to help establish Aikido Yoshinkai in North America.
Today he is head of the Aikido Association of Northern
California.  The Association is a branch of the    
Aikido Yoshinkai Foundation in Japan, and is authorized
to grant certificates of advancement in rank in
Yoshinkai Aikido.

Osu!

Jerry Braun
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 3 Oct 1992 16:52:35 CDT
From: David James Alexander Hanley <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido Yoshinkai Demonstration -- Bay Area

In article <5241@rosie.NeXT.COM>, rwalton@tehmi.next.com (Robert Walton) says:
>
>In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep29113508@atomic.princeton.edu>
>mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>
>So what is Yoshinkan Aikido?  Is this a "hard" or fighting style more like
>aikijitsu (since Morita-sensei seems to have learned the basics with the
>riot police in Tokyo)?  Does Morita teach it but not Doran or Nadeau?  I'm
>giving some serious thought to becoming an Aikido-ka, but want a style
>with strong emphasis on technique and application, and serious training v.
>the new age or ki development stuff (see a separate post earlier this
>week).

  Yoshinkan IS the style taught to the riot police in tokyo.  Not
having trained in any other style aside from yoshinkan I can't really
say exactly how different it is, but it appears 90% like other aikido
with the other 10% being strikes and more violent takedowns.  Sensi has
showed us the difference between yoshinkan and ajj and it does not look
like much.  I have seen little or so spititual/ki stuff in class.
however, formatility and dojo ettiquite is VERY important.

  And as I've so often heard here, it probably matters what teacher you
pick than what branch of aikido you choose to study.  I asked sensi right
from the start if he thought these moves were practical and he
demonstrated that they were-on me.  Ouch.  If they are now willing to
answer, they might not be your best bet for practical self-defense.
I have been very happy with my training and feel that the techniques
could be handy one day. ;)
>
>Any thoughts, suggestions?  Give it up and go Hapkido?  :-)

  Talk to the teacher.  Tell him you are concerned for your saftey.
Watch a class or two.


dave!

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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: JKA (UK) York Course.
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:32:25 +0000



Anybody going to the course next week with Sensei's Kato, Kagawa,
Yamada and Aramoto.


If so, mail me and I'll see you there.


Bill Burgar.


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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: re: Protocol and titles of instructors in other styles
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  5 OCT 92 14:45:08    


Technically, as Peter pointed out, Japanese arts (Judo, Aikido, Karate-Do,
Kendo, etc.) generally use Sensei, Chinese arts (Wushu, Taiji, etc.) 
use Sifu, and Korean (Hapkido, TaeKwonDo, etc.) Sabunim.

But to complicate things, if you are dealing with a stickler, using a title like
Sensei might even be insulting to them, if you aren't actually
one of their students.   And many people insist on 'master' from their
students, while others (like me) have very negative associations with that
term.

To a few people, a term like Sensei implies not
only an honorific but a specific relationship.

If it's an English speaking person, the terms 'Teacher' and 'Professor'
are quaint perhaps but seem generally appropriate.   The worst you'll do is
sound overly formal (unless you sound sarcastic, like you're addressing
the character in Gilligan's Island, in which case ...).   I remember that
Spanish-speaking students used to address me that way when I taught
at Drexel, and although 'Professor' was way overly formal for me personally, 
it never seemed insulting or inappropriate, which is what you're apparently
trying to avoid.   

'Sir' works very well with almost all men as far as I've even seen.
Many will then say 'please call me ...' and give their name or 
usual monicker.

I'm uncomfortable about 'Madam' or "Ma'am" for women, though.   
Maybe I'm just not used to it.
Any female martial arts professors out there that can address this ? 

						todd
From: heinzl@elroy (Heinz Lottermoser)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: pull/sprain
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:19:57 GMT
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mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
: 
: better but don't do anything to promote healing.  Ibuprofin's good.  
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: After you start again, probably it would help to do ibuprofin before
: and ice after every workout.  
: 

In studies on muscle repair it has been extensively shown that aspirin is
better for healing than ibuprofin.  

Don't ice muscles except for the ***FIRST FEW DAYS*** after a severe 
injury(i.e. torn musculature). Cold is only used to reduce swelling 
and engorgement of blood into the tissues.  Occasionally if you work out
very hard, it may be necessary to ice knee and elbow joints to prevent swelling
that could damage the cartilage(sp?).

Heat is much better for damaged muscle tissues, because it promotes 
relaxation of the muscle and better circulation for repair.  Get a warm
wash cloth, a heating pad, or one of the new heating pads you warm in the 
microwave and just let it relax the muscles.  A hot tub is also very good.

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From: tmhoff@oogoody.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Hoff)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: info on bogua please
Date: 26 Sep 1992 19:18:22 GMT
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If I spelled bogua wrong no offense intended.

I read a bit on bogua in the Tai Chi magazine. The author
of course said it was the best thing since broken
boards. Having never heard of it before I'm willing to
learn.

1. Does anyone have any experience with bogua? Could you
   tell me a bit about it?
2. Are there any teachers in the Bay area?

Thanx
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:27:21 GMT

In <eric.t.zmarzly.1-280992015105@lafmac19.lafortune.lab.nd.edu.> eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:

>I was wondering about the differences between the art in the US and Japan.
>Is the philosophy different?  The practice?  I heard it was much more
>intense in Japan, how much so?

It tends to be more formal in Japan.  Not so much philosophy (aka the
"new age stuff" approach here that gets derided on occasion) but the
basics first.

>Also, in Aikido, are there any techniques for kicks?  I have not come
>across any in my limited studing.

Yes, there are a number of them.  They're rather difficult ;-) -- both
for the nage to execute and for the uke to take.  In addition, since
you don't get taught how to kick in Aikido, it's hard to find a good
kicker to practice with, so the reality of what you re practicing with
these techniques is variable.  At least, that's how I've found it to
be in my dojo.

--Cindy
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