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From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: A-TEAM
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:22:49 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

In article <9212041812.AA01730@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>
weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (daniel weed 283-4162) writes:
#BTW: despite the humongous firefights in the A-Team, can anyone recall
#anyone being hit? ever? let alone killed?
 
 I remember hearing at the time, (I don't know how true it is),
 that Mr. T demanded that "no one be shot" by the guns since he
 didn't think kids should see that kind of violence.  Instead
 they all grew up thinking guns are harmless toys :-(

 On a related note, the guy who produced the A-Team, (Stephen
 Cannell (sp?)), now has one of the best records for accurate
 portrayal of firearms on TV.  Shows like (stingray, wisguy,
 hat-squad). Still not perfect, but improving.  Maybe he's
 trying to make up for the A-Team :-).  I've heard that he
 is also very pro-gun nowdays.

                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com
				NRA, ILA,
                                Colorado Firearms Collation
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From: gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:04 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Dec14.183537.4636@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes:
#This is probably a dumb question but here goes anyway.
#
#
#My question is, if one has to shoot inside a car (either at someone
#in your car, or through a windshield to get someone trying to get 
#into your car), how do you protect your ears (and those of passengers)
#from the blast noise?
#Are certain loads "better" for noise suppression (and/or ricochet)
#or are certain guns preferable?
#Certainly, one would not want to fire a .357 magnum inside of a 
#closed auto, but it would be nice to disable the guy in one shot
#so that you don't have to fire again.
#
#Or should one forget about the ears and just be happy to be alive
#(or pray the noise doesn't knock you out and cause you to run off
#the road and hit a tree)?
#


I cannot give an answer to your question directly. It has been many, many
years since I fired a gun inside a car. At one of the ranges I used to
shoot at I was able to use my Impala as a self-propelled brass catcher
for a .45. I would sit in the driver's seat and fire through the passenger
window. As others have reported, the concussion was absolutely STUNNING.

My advice is if you think you will ever have to shoot within the confines
of an auto, even with some of the windows open, you really need to try
this out for yourself at least once. Use the best muffs you can buy and a
set of plugs as well. Nothing I have ever experienced with a firearm, even
a 12 gauge in an enclosed chicken coop without muffs, was like shooting in
a car. It is like your own personal self-inflicted concussion grenade. And
as you would expect, recovery is somewhat slow. I seriously doubt if any
fight stopping cartridge could mitigate these effects, but you need to be
prepared to take the hit from the muzzle blast. Kind of like the soldiers'
familiarization to tear gas.

geoff kotzar
From: dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Choice of Shotgun??????????????????????????????????//
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:14:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I am planning on purchasing a shotgun which I will use for skeet shooting
    and other types of skeet shooting.  (I have never owned a gun before
    but I do have experience in handling and shooting guns)  What type of
    shotgun would be best for this.  And since I am not rich, and going to
    school, what brand of gun makes a quality gun at an affordable price.
    Also, what are the laws regarding automobile transport of such guns.
    Thanks for any advice or help!

                                                -Dan McCauley


                                                
-- 
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*Dan McCauley       (Lair of Sam, Lisa, Spot, Spot II, and Victoria)
*                              ...with carcasses of dead smelly vermin!
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From: samsung!ulowell!ap.cl.msu.edu!root@uunet.UU.NET (Root of all evil)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Handloader Magazine - a review
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:30:36 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, USA

In article <1992Dec9.131143.24597@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula) writes:
(stuff deleted)
#One thing that would *really* be convenient is if Wolfe Publishing would 
#offer collections of back issues in a CD-ROM format (this and a lot of 
#other magazines IMHO).  I'd *love* to be able to toss some of my older 
#magazines (not necessarily Handloader) after a year or so. My idea of the 
#perfect subscription would be for a normal during the year magazine delivery
#and then (offered as an option on the subscription) a year end
#CD-ROM with all of that years issues on it. Then I could deep-six
#some of the piles of magazines I keep around because I'm
#afraid I'll need to reference them some day.
#
#It would also be *really* convenient to do a search/browse for
#all articles on .41AE, for example, without having to leaf through
#a stack of magazines.

I agree!  I'd really like to see this on CD-ROM, especially a big reference
book on handloading.  Would be nice to have the search abaility of CD-ROM.
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Dillon presses
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:10 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <9212181400.AA21390@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca> keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla) writes:
#So, its almost time to buy a progressive loader, & the question is
#which Dillon press to buy?  At the moment I reload 9mm, .357Mag, and

550B, 650XL or 1050 - whichever you can afford.

#.308win.  My primary interest is volume 9mm for IPSC & probably a
#bigger calibre in the future for IPSC major (.40 or .45).

I have a 550B which works wonderfully with my 38 super loads.  Prior
to that, I loaded tens of thousands of 45 IPSC loads without any real
problems.

#Questions:
#- is the Square Deal a decent press?  Does it use standard dies?

Decent press - yes.  Rugged line the 550B, 650XL and 1050?  No.

Standard dies?  No for the square deal; yes for the others.

#- what extra features does the 550B have?

Ruggedness.  Ease of caliber changes.
The 550B lacks automatic indexing, though this is less of a detriment
that you could imagine (it's *real* easy to hit the advance while
reaching to grab a new bullet).

#- can you load rifle rounds much quicker on a progressive, given
#  the addition of a lubing step?  I don't reload .308 in any volume
#  which makes me lean towards the Square Deal.
#

I don't know about rifle reloading, but I believe that you will consider
the extra money for a 500B to be a good investment in the long term if
you plan on using your press extensively.

#thanks for the help.
#
#-------------------------------------------------------------------
#| Keith P. de Solla, P.Eng |  "Be sure brain is engaged before    |
#| CMC                      |   putting mouth in gear"             |
#| keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca    |                                      |
#
#
#


                                        rob boudrie
                                        rboudrie@chpc.org
From: chan@seattleu.edu (Anthony K.B. Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Can a .22 Winchester Magnum revolver fire .22LR cartridge?
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:30:01 GMT
Organization: Seattle University

I am wondering if it is possible to use .22LR cartridge in .22 Winchester
Magnum revolver such as the S&W 648 .22 Mag revolver or the Wesson(Dan) 
Model 22 .22 Mag revolver? By the way between the S&W 648 and the Wesson
Model 22 which is a better gun? I am interested in the stainless 6 inches
version of either make. I think the price of both are more or less the
same, around $400.- suggested retail price. They both have full lug barrel
they both appear to be pretty well make.

Anthony Chan
Computer & Information Services
Seattle University
Internet address: chan@seattleu.edu
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: M1911 operation
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:59:01 GMT


A question for owner/operators of M1911 pistols:

I just acquired a Polish VIS ("Radom") pistol. It has very similar lines
to the M1911 except it is a little smaller, and the base of the grip
flares a bit. Improvements over the 1911 include a fized slide bearing
surface rather than a separate bushing, a Hi-Power style cam lug instead
of a link on the barrel, no manual safety, a slide mounted decocking 
lever, and of course the 9mm chambering ( :) :) :) :) :) ).

Anyway, the decocking lever lets you drop the hammer safely on a loaded
chamber like most DA autos (but the VIS, being single action, must be
cocked manually to resume firing). I also noticed that it is not
possible to drop the hammer by holding it with the thumb and pulling the
trigger because to hold the hammer with the thumb requires a shift in
grip, which engages the grip safety preventing the hammer from being
dropped.

So to satisfy my curiosity more than anything else, how do you drop the
hammer on a loaded chamber with one hand with an M1911? Or can't it be
done? I realize that this is not a common requirement, but I'm just
curious. Thanks in advance.


Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
Geordi: "...it's like the laws of physics went right out the
window." Q: "And why shouldn't they? They're so inconvenient."
From: KEVIN@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU (Kevin Whyte)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Hollywood screw-ups
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:42:18 GMT


Just watched the classic "Rebel Without a Cause"  in it one of the kids has
what looks like a stainless steel colt 1911 with pearl handled grips.
First he fires the gun without the hammer being cocked.  Second he fires and
the slide doesn't cycle.  Third James Dean borrows the gun, takes out the
magazine, and hands the gun back to the kid.  At the end when the kid is shot
he cries that the death was meaningless because he had the bullets. (All except
the one in the chamber.)  Hollywood wouldn't be Hollywood if they got
everything right all of the time!
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Slow Awakenings (was: A gun in the home.)
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:34:48 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <viking.724411562@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu
(Dan Sorenson) writes:
#	For the record, I consider myself to be pretty good at gun
#safety.  I recognize my limitations and have attempted to work
#around them, but I just don't truly trust myself. I consider this
#a mark in my favor so far as safety is concerned, but naturally wish
#to keep my potential for harming others to a minumum unless warranted.
#
#[MODERATOR: You're *obviously* doing well on gun safety, since you've 
#taken the step of doing an honest self-assessment of what is and is not
#appropriate for you!    For what its worth, the counselor who certified
#me for NRA basic firearms safety courses mentioned that we should make
#a point of asking students whether they had any sleep disorders; if so,
#and along the lines of what you describe Dan, then we should suggest to
#not make the firearm so immediately available during sleep periods.  I
#don't know that this is in the NRA syllabus, but I thought he made a good
#point.]

Having been a guest at Dan's house, I second this.  When he showed me his
firearms, he checked EVERY TIME to make sure that they were unloaded, before
handing them to me.  When turning the unloaded weapons around, with his
fingers outside the trigger guard, he raised the muzzle to pass over my
head every time.  And he didn't even mind answering dumb questions, when I
asked how you can tell if a black powder pistol is unloaded!

Hope I do as well when he visits California and I get to show off my
guns...

    don
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 To quote James Wright (a fellow liberal):
    "Indeed, I am now of the opinion that a compelling case for "stricter
    gun control" cannot be made, at least not on empirical grounds.  I have
    nothing but respect for the various pro-gun control advocates with whom
    I have come in contact over the past years.  They are, for the most part,
    sensitive, humane and intelligent people, and their ultimate aim, to
    reduce death and violence in our society, is one that every civilized
    person must share.  I have, however, come to be convinced that they are
    barking up the wrong tree."
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From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: jamming in SIG P220
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:15:33 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

Sigs feed as well or better than anything made.
The one experience I had wit a Sig P226 jamming was repaired at the Sig
repair facility. I bought the pistol used, from an old guy who loaded his
own "real hot" loads for it. The gun had a bent extractor.
They repaired it for free (even though I was the 3rd owner) and it *never*
jammed again (as long as I owned it).
I've owned 3 other Sigs since that one, and all were NIB and flawless (and
accurate).
The only P220 in .45 I ever saw that jammed, was due to out of spec reloads.
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Info wanted: .22 cal. pistols
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:33:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, UC390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu (JON HALL) says:

#I would like to know what you all think of the following
#.22 cal. pistols (relatively to one another):
 
#* Browning Buck Mark series (including Buck Mark 5.5 & Micro Mark)
	These are very nice.
#* Ruger Target/Mark II/Government
	These are a close second or as good.
#* Beretta 21a
	I am not aware of any better .22 pocket pistol than this.
	
#* Smith & Wesson 422/622/Outdoorsman(Sportsman?)/2206(?) 
	All these S&W .22s look like cheap & ugly toys, imo.
	Awful and evil.

JD
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun lubricants (and holiday message) (was: Re: Stainless and WD40)
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:08 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

I recently was shootijng a finely tuned, utterly reliable racing gun in 
cold (30 degree) weather.  I had liberally lubricated this gun (a high
capacity CAspian 1911oid in 38 super) with Break Free.  I noticed that 
everything worked in slow motion for the first few shots - the break free
appeared to become very viscous in the cold weather.

My gunsmith told me that Break Free is not a good lube for cold weather
applications, and that Rem Oil maintained its viscosity better at low
temperatures.

Does anyone else have any information which would confirm or deny this
apparant limitation of Break Free?

                                        rob b.
                                        rboudrie@chpc.org
From: conley@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Dennis R. Conley)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 1993 Lethal Force Institute schedule
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:16:54 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept

Hell Week is described on the schedule as

	'a combination of the following three courses: Defensive Tactics,
	 Knife/Counter Knife and Weapon Retention'.

This may be a "police only" course.

The Shotgun course appears to be what previously was called Advanced Combat
Shotgun. There were no descriptions for Emergency Rifle and Deadly Force.

-- 
|Dennis R. Conley, Computer Science Dept., University of Kansas (913)864-7372 |
|conley@hawk.cs.ukans.edu			     conley@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu|
From: ka02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kent P. Aitchison)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Christmas Gun to New Orleans?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:55:36 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello again,

    A friend is in a quandary.  She's a PA resident wanting to buy a handgun
for her beau in New Orleans.  How does she do it?  Does she have to endure the
waiting period up here and then ship it or does she have it sent to a local
FFL in NO for pickup?  Thanks for your input.


Kent
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From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Colt vs S&W revolvers
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:02 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

My wife has decided to buy me any handgun I want for Christmas
with her Christmas bonus money (I think I'll keep her).

Since she can't really handle a .45, I have decided to get a
.38/.357 revolver.  I initially wanted a S&W 686, but now that I
might actually get one, I want to explore more options.

I am looking at the Colt Python, which I examined for the first
time yesterday, and which struck me as a well made gun.  I don't 
know about the ventilated rib, it still looks funny.

If anyone can comment on the differences between these two
guns, and why I might prefer one, I would appreciate it.
Or should look at any other makes?

Please respond via email, I will post a summary if there are
enough responses.  Thanks . . .

  / \ / \     Paul Stoufflet                          / \ / \
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From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home....
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:46:28 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <9212041837.AA19437@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU>, C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
# Sorry, didn't know how to title this one...
# 
# Here's the situation.  I have a 17 month old daughter.  My wife, although
# she supports my hobby (and expresses some interest), would prefer that
# I didn't keep any guns in the house.  She knows I won't go for that, so
# they are currently locked up and hidden from my daughter.
# 
# I would like to keep one gun by the bed at night, and lock it up during
# the day.  However, my wife won't have any of this.  I told her about
# the various safes and such, to no avail.  Can anyone suggest something?

Our strategy is that the handguns are in a safe mounted high on the wall
in the master bedroom closet.  We normally lock it when guests are over,
but it's always unlocked when the kids are put to bed.  It is high enough 
that the kids can't reach it without a stepladder or chair.  My daughter
is almost nine, and knows better.  My son is 4 1/2, and even with a 
chair, can't reach it.  

Because my wife has rather vivid nightmares, having a gun in immediate
reach wouldn't be a wise thing anyway.  I can be out of bed and armed
in about 2 seconds.  The burglar alarm system should give adequate
notice of forced entry, and the bedroom door is locked at night as well.

If you don't have a safe that can be mounted up high, I would encourage
looking at one of the fast access pistol boxes.  They accept a combination
that opens them quickly, and when you get up in the morning, just put the
whole box in the safe, so that inquisitive children don't try all 
possible combinations.

# Also, she feels that we should keep the guns hidden from my daughter and
# never tell her about them, in order to prevent an accident (this is how
# she was raised - her father was a police officer, and the only time she
# saw a gun was when he left or came home from work).  I feel that we
# should tell her about them when she reaches the proper age and intelligence
# level, and give her proper instructions.  What's your opinion?
# 
# Rob

My daughter could identify "Daddy's gun" from sales catalogs before
she could read, and almost before she could make complete sentences.
Hiding a gun from a child adds mystery.  Better to be completely
open about it, and when they reach an age where they can understand
the seriousness of a gun (say, about 7 or 8), take them to the range.
My daughter isn't particularly interested in guns, except as a chance
to spend time with me.  My son... well, he is suffering from Teenaged
Mutant Ninja Turtles obsession.  He may be in high school before he
learns to shoot.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
From: callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Answers to the M16 stories thread
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:19:48 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <Bz21CL.AKC@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
#ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240) writes:
#
##3.  Why the .45 auto was developed, in less than 5000 words.
##Fast forward to the Phillipean (sp?) Insurrection of 1905 (might be off
##a year or two here). 
#
#The Filipino Insurrection was from 1898-1901. According to a Guns&Ammo
#article on the .45ACP cartridge, John Browning adapted his .38ACP auto
#to work with the .45ACP cartridge in 1902, leading to the introduction
#of the Colt 1905 in .45ACP (not adopted by the US Military), and, soon
#thereafter, the familiar Colt 1911 (Government Model).

AAARRRGGGHHH! I did it again! ;-)
In 1904, John Browning adapted his Colt 1902 .38ACP to utilize the
new .45ACP cartridge, with the result being the Colt 1905 pistol.
The 1905 was commercially sold, but not adopted by the military; its
successor, the Colt 1911 was adopted as the standard issue sidearm...

Ain't it ironic how the Colt 1911 replaced a .38 (.38 Long Colt) and
was itself replaced by a .38 (9mm Para)? :-) What goes around
come around...

Sorry about the boo-boo; I'll try not to do it again, I promise! :-)

				James

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