HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!!!
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1992 22:00:03 GMT

In article <1992Mar17.020921.18722@ncsu.edu> jdshull@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:

>Favorite Beetlejuice episode?
>Worst Beetlejuice episode?

You know I love 'em!  (all, that is)!

>Favorite Beetlejuice regular?
>(Beetlejuice, Lydia, Delia, Charles)

B.J.

>Favorite Beetlejuice extra?

Doomie.  My girlfriend and I dressed up like B.J. and Lyds for Halloween last
year, and we're planning on dressing up my car like Doomie this year (gonna get
fake fur for the hood...)

>Theories on the Neitherworld, Death?

I suspect that the Neitherworld is this weird alternative plane of existence
that is created partly from the death of humans and is partly self-propogating.
 Thus creatures like B.J. can be born in the Neitherworld.  But, because of the
nature of the place, everything is "undead."  It also doesn't seem like
everyone who dies ends up in the Neitherworld.  If you remember the movie, the
(whatstheirnames) ended up there because of unfinished business...

>Theories on the B-Words?

The B-Words will, at Lydia's will, create a bridge between her world and
B.J.'s.  The spell seems to be flexible enough to have a certain amount of
intelligence, however- sometimes it creates a doorway into the Neitherworld,
sometimes it gets B.J. out of a jam...toejam, that is...I think it's dependent
on whatever subconscious thought is on Lydia's mind.

>Theories on the relationship between BJ and Lyds?

Almost married (if you believe the movie).  Interesting question...what
happened after the end of the movie and the beginning of the T.V. show?  Rumor
has it that Tim Burton had the T.V. show in mind when he first produced the
movie...

- Peter
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: More Animation News on "Entertainment Tonight"
Keywords: RaD Ferngully Nemo Bakshi Tom Jerry ET
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:56:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: organpip.1992Apr8.165638.23503
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Apr8.045450.2322@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, pochron@cat28 (David Pochron) writes:
>RaD & Ferngully: Lots of stuff, talked with Glenn Campbell (Chanticleer) and
>Robin Williams. (The bat)  Since these films are released or almost released,
>I won't comment.  

I saw a trailer for Ferngully when I went to see "Beauty & the Beast".
It looked somewhat interesting.  As you might expect from the title
("Fergully, the Last Rain Forest"), this is going to be a not-so-subtle
allegory on what is happening in south & central America.

The parts of the trailer that worked for me were the parts where they
just told a story.  When they got to the `save the rainforest' bit, it
was handled so heavy-handed that it really spoiled the whole trailer,
and probably spoils the whole movie, too.

But if you can stomach a lecture aimed at pre-teens about saving the
rain forest, you'll probably find something to like.

-- 
Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Ferngully: my impression
Originator: vgriscep@next09cville.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:45:23 GMT

The plot:  simply put, if you've seen even one commercial for the film, you
know what it's about.  Entirely.  I knew before I went;  that wasn't the
point.  If rainforest preaching and stuff makes you sick, then don't go.
IMHO that wasn't the point of seeing it.

The animation:  superb.  Top-notch.  99th percentile.  Unquestionably rivals
Disney's best to date.  (Will "Aladdin" change this?) 
    Particularly what I liked was:
    The computer animation was well-placed.  Not overdone, nor overly
obvious.  Some nice wide pans.  And lest anyone accuse this of being stolen
from "Beauty and the Beast", consider that the movies are of equal age,
including, probably, their pre-production;  I doubt the makers of either one
saw the other while producing their own.
    The animation of Hexxus in slime form.  Pretty damn good, though it's been
accomplished before.
    Some of the music.  Now *this* film stands out enough to be nominated for
an Oscar or two.  I liked B&tB, but it wasn't any more extraordinary than
most other high-quality Disney films.  B&tB certainly didn't *stand out*.
Some wide circular pans;  big deal.  Belle?  Well, non-stereotyped leading
females are not what I'd call totally innovative.  A nice film, but not
above its class.  "Ferngully" had a couple of good tunes, though I have
now only a dim memory of them;  I liked "Toxic Love", but I wasn't crazy
about Tone Loc's rappin' goanna.
    Tim Curry probably deserves an Oscar --- a real Oscar.  As in, for acting.
He was fun.  As for Robin Williams ... he has enough money and fame.  :-)



NOW HERE'S AN INTERESTING THING TO NOTE:

    Take a certain Chiropteran character.
    Make him goofy.
    Give him the voice of a very famous stand-up comic who has lots of
personality.
    Make him a bit schizophrenic, for loads of good ol' comic relief.
    And to top it off, for a little poignance, let's just say he's the way
he is because of what was done to him in a science lab.
    
And what do you get?  Well, originally, Batty Koda.  But ... this movie has no
doubt been in production for a few years, to say the least;  while it's
a safe bet that "Capitol Critters" was produced no more than a year ago.
And all of the above criteria (except of course being Chiropteran) apply
to, yes, CC's own Miggle [?] the lab rat (who IMHO was not funny despite the
potential benefit of Goldthwait's voice talent).

I'm sorry;  I know a lot of netters are probably tired of CC bashing.  But
I really have to question this, because the formula match is an awfully
close coincidence.

    VGR


"Go away!  No visitors!  Back!  Just stop right there!  One more step and
you're finished, oo...!"   - Guardian of Eden, Dragon's Lair II: Time Warp

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.fan.furry
From: spc55721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the PC-Thief)
Subject: Re: Chip And Gadget To Have A Baby On RR
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Reply-To: spc55721@ih-nxt02.cso.uiuc.edu (the PC-Thief)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Disclaimer: Why?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:21:56 GMT


arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.112408.27538@cas.org>, lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
>> As I said - no more of the Disney Afternoon episodes.  There are new
>> episodes being made for ABC - but I have yet to see any sign that these
>> episodes will ever make it to the afternoon stripings.

>From what I understood, the current 13 on ABC now will be recycled into
>the Disney Afternoon next fall and be replaced by the a new set of
>13 episodes.

If this holds for all three ABC seasons of Darkwing, then there will be
a total of 104 episodes shown on the Disney Afternoon for the 1994-95
season... surpassing Ducktales by four episodes!
(gee, that's a lot...)

Will this happen with next season's Goof Troop?
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Dark Water & Dungeons and Dragons
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:19:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.205618.15991@ctr.columbia.edu>, smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.134927.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.201333.17673@ctr.columbia.edu>, smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee) writes:
>>> What exactly are your complaints?  To me, the series is well-nigh perfect!  I
>>> don't think it's much of a stretch to say it's almost as good or even as good
>>> as the old Dungeons and Dragons series.
> 
>>*cough* *cough* *gag* D&D had pathethic, stereotyped characters, repetitive
>>stories (well, not always) and no continuity. I have complaints about Dark
>>Water, but it is _far_ superior to D&D.  The only thing D&D did right was a
>>fairly good representation of the creatures from the D&D/AD&D game worlds.
> 
> Oh, come on.  I'll admit that the first-season episodes were fairly
> disconnected, but in the second season it was constantly being hinted that
> there was some sort of relationship between Venger and the Dungeon Master.
> It wasn't until late in the season--the "Dragon Graveyard" episode--that we
> saw that Venger was DM's son.  Also in the second season, four of the six
> main characters had romantic relationships (Hank and Eric didn't).  I think
> the second-season episodes were as a whole considerably more serious and
> foreboding than the first.
> 
> Besides the fact that I was just getting involved with D&D when the show
> aired, I think the main reason I loved it so much was that it really got my
> imagination going.  Hank's energy bow was about the coolest item I had ever
> seen on television!  The "Zandora's Box" episode really made me think about
> alternate dimensions.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Happy B-b-b-b-birthday, you thing from                     Sean McAfee
>  another world, you!"    -- Porky Pig                    smmcafee@mtu.edu

  You make it sound a _lot_ better than I remember it, so it is possible I only
saw ones that were not very good.  I certainly didn't watch it on a regular
basis.  Was it actually a sequential series?  Did it have an ending (very
important)?  I had dismissed it entirely but maybe I should look again (not
like it comes on TV anywhere I can see it, but maybe some day.)

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        | Nippon no anime wa ichi-ban desu!  Otaku rule!    |
        |     Hey, man, I _like_ Robotech.  So sue me.      |
        | Sukotto Mira/Scott Miller (ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu) |

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: Could Disney do a human-only animation?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:10:37 GMT

In article <6210.29e2fb98@dcatla.uucp> pibeb@dcatla.uucp writes:
>
>	I also enjoy animation of human characters and get a little
>tired especially of things like turning Robin Hood into another cute
>animal picture.  But whenever animators are asked about this, the artists
>themselves usually claim to find human animation boring and redundant.
>Even Don Bluth's Space Ace and Dragon's Lair meet with the same attitude.
>To them, as entertaining as the stories are to us, they always remain
>just a source of revenue.
>	Bryan

You know, so many people hit on Robin Hood. What was wrong with it?
I adored it. The scenery wasn't so great, except the deep forest
scene, but the voices were great. UStinov was perfect, and Roger
Miller as Alan-a-Dale was a hoot. And the animation wasn't all that
bad; the body movements were smooth and believable (as in the
Sheriff's henchwolves shooting arrows) As for the anthropormorphic
animals, well, that's a Disney trait. So can people tell me why
they don't like RH?

CKC
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: animation thats really for adults..
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:48:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: organpip.1992Apr8.024855.18206
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona

Our local video store has a section called "Animation for adults".  Besides
Fritz the Cat, it also has a video `hosted' by Leonard Maltin called "Cartoons
for Big Kids", which includes all or parts of several old classics (most
notably Tex Avery's "Red-Hod Riding Hood".)  Interestingly enough, "Tex Avery's
Screwball Classics", which contais "Swing Shift Cinterella", resides with the
regular cartoon section.

Let see... I believe "Rock and Rule" is there, "Watership Down"(!), several
others I don't recall off hand.

Personally, I'd have to say that this is what sets LT/MM apart from the new
Tinytoons -- LT/MM consistently included lots of elements aimed at the adults
whereas Tinytoons seems to rarely rise above it's <15 year target group.

Just a thought...

-- 
"`Dog Gang'!  Where do the get off calling us the `Dog Gang'!  I'm beginning to
think the party's over.  I'm beginning to think maybe we don't need a dog -- or
maybe we need a /new/ dog -- or maybe we need a CAT!"  - Amazing Stories
From: rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang)
Subject: Re: The Last Unicorn
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:51:38 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr13.200632.17571@ctr.columbia.edu> smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.160501.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>>  I just saw _The Last Unicorn_ for the first time on Friday, and it was
>>fantastic!  I urge anyone who hasn't seen this movie to go rent it from your
>>local video store right away.  (Or buy it; I've seen it as grocery stores for
>> $7)

It's also available on laser disk.  The problem with the cassette I
got at the grocery store is it's recorded in cheesy EP (6hr) mode.  At
least it's in Hi-Fi :-)

>Does anyone know if a soundtrack for this movie was ever released?  I'd kill
>to have one.

Good news and bad news.
Good News: yes, the soundtrack exists.  I have the CD! :-) :-) It's a
short soundtrack, about 38 min. I think.  It seems to contain all the
music, plus it has a much better version of that solo song Mia
Farrow/Amalthea did (boy, was that painful to hear in the movie).
BTW, I remember a version of this movie on cable that removed this
song as well as had a slightly different sound mix.

Bad News: the soundtrack was only released in Europe, in then West
Germany, under the title Die Letzen Einhorn (sp?).  I got mine thru
the kindness of a fellow animation fan in Germany.  I could give you
the CD number, but you'd probably have to order it from a specialty
importer.

On a different note, I also recommend "The Plauge Dogs", a good
depressing flick.  But can anyone tell me if Ralph Bakshi's "American
Pop" is out on video?

                                        Roger P. Ang (rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu)
Irvine? Where's Irvine?                 Grad student at the
In the heart of the Orange Curtain.     Dept. of Information & Computer Sci.
Oh no! The poor fool.                   Univ. of California, Irvine.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Looking for Eighth-Man
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:06:57 GMT

In article <92097.102921DANW@wuvmd.wustl.edu> dan <DANW@WUVMD> writes:
>When I was growing up I remember a cartoon called Eigth Man. I
>recall that it was about a robot/android spy.
>At about the same time I think there was another cartoon about
>a "child" android super-hero.

I presume that's Astroboy, I know of no other.

>Does anyone else remember these?  Does anyone know where I might
>be able to get tapes of either of these?

I never saw either of these shows, but I do know tapes exist.  You can
mail-order some from Whole Toon Access:
   Whole Toon Access
   P.O. Box 369
   Issaquah, WA  98027
   (206) 391-8747
   (206) 391-9064 (FAX)
I think they have two or three tapes for each show.  Ask for a catalog;
confuse 'em by telling them I sent you!  8-]
-- 
Bill "I went thru 14 years of school for this?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  Don't assume anything I say is truthful, accurate, or worthwhile.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: dube@milton.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Tennessee Tuxedo Question
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:40:58 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

cec35848@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Carroll) writes:

>	In _Tennessee Tuxedo_, Tennessee was the penguin, and
>his partner was Chumley the Walrus.  What was the professor's/doctor's/
>whatever's name?  You know, the guy with the 3-d BB?

Wasn't it Dr. Stanley Livingston?

Ric Dube
dube@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.video.releases
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Dark Water & Dungeons and Dragons
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.201333.17673@ctr.columbia.edu>, smmcafee@mtu.edu (Sean McAfee) writes:
> In article <y4w6iB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> joshm@netlink.cts.com (Josh Mercer) writes:
>>Just for the record, I think it's a travesty that Dark Water is getting the 
>>axe.  It's probably because the stupid toys didn't sell well enough
>>(sort of like Robotech).  I, too, have LOADS of complaints with the
>>last 8 episodes, but for what it was (that is, the Fox miniseries with
>>Roddy Mcdowal as Niddler), I shall miss it when it's gone.
> 
> What exactly are your complaints?  To me, the series is well-nigh perfect!  I
> don't think it's much of a stretch to say it's almost as good or even as good
> as the old Dungeons and Dragons series.


*cough* *cough* *gag* D&D had pathethic, stereotyped characters, repetitive
stories (well, not always) and no continuity. I have complaints about Dark
Water, but it is _far_ superior to D&D.  The only thing D&D did right was a
fairly good representation of the creatures from the D&D/AD&D game worlds.

[Sorry, the .sig you have dialed is out of order.  Please check the number and
ASCII/UL again.]

  Darn, I can't get to my .sig file from here.  I'll have to get it copied over
one of these days.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney
From: alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Robin Hood (was Re: Could Disney do a human-only animation?)
Organization: Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:46:20 GMT

It's pretty easy to forget that ROBIN HOOD was Disney's highest-grossing
animated picture (in first release) until THE RESCUERS was released.

-- 
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From: opstad@Apple.COM (David Opstad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Rock-a-Doodle - reviews?
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:48:35 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr7.221828.28954@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
>Last weekend, I caught the end of Siskel and Ebert, who gave "two thumbs
>WAY down" for Rock-A-Doodle, calling it "violent and depressing".
>
>Did anyone see the whole review?  I happen to LIKE violent and depressing
>cartoons, but I haven't head much good about this one.

Considering that Disney Television produces Siskel & Ebert's show, and that
Bluth Studios (who made Rock-a-Doodle) and Disney aren't exactly on the best
of terms, it doesn't surprise me too much that S&E didn't like it.

I dunno--maybe I'm not being fair to S&E. But it sure seems like they're not
really fond of much of the Bluth opus. 

Dave Opstad (opstad@apple.com)
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,jriemer@nwu.edu
Subject: Re: RoboTech Info Wanted
Keywords: Big Towering Metal Robots et. al.
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:56:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

In article <1992Apr9.030108.20320@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> jriemer@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Riemer) writes:
>	1.	Is there a newsgroup about the old RoboTech series?

No, although I think there may be a mailing list (or there was, at any
rate, maybe it's died now).

>	2.	Can VHS tapes of episiodes be purchased anywhere?

Yes.  Palladium Books is putting out the Southern Cross and New Generation
(a.k.a. Mospeada) episodes on tape, three eps. a tape, $24.95 a tape, you
figure out the math from there 8^).  FHE has put out *heavily* editted (i.e.
6 episodes in 100 minutes, average of about 17 minutes an episode) tapes for
Macross; to add insult to injury, the bums also recorded it in LP mode.
Sigh...  Streamline Pictures (Carl Macek's company) is supposed to acquire
the rights to the series in a year or so, I believe, and will reissue it on
tape then.  I've heard rumors that he even wants to get it back on TV too
(perhaps cable), but we'll see if that actually happens.

>	3.	Is there some sort of fan-club or anything like that for
>		RoboTech?

Well, Protoculture Addicts used to be the "official Robotech fanzine" before
it became a more general anime fanzine.  Eternity Comics' Robotech II:
The Sentinels has its "Robotechgami" (or however they spell it), listing of
Robotech fans for writing to, I think.  Beyond that, I don't know of any;
I would imagine most Robotech-only fanclubs have either died out or have
developed into more general anime clubs...
-- 
Bill "I went thru 14 years of school for this?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  Don't assume anything I say is truthful, accurate, or worthwhile.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:45:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr6.164526.19357
Organization: Amherst College

ar710@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William G. Martin) writes:
: Does this particular style of animation have a name? Can anyone post
: more about it? Is it produced in some special or unusual fashion,
: different from ordinary drawn cel-by-cel animation?

Well, not actually knowing anything about the animation technique used,
it looks an awful lot like some computer animated stuff I was doing a
couple of years ago. It looks like something that was ray-traced (or
maybe phong-shaded. it looks a little too blocky...) 

Even if they are not using computers you can get similar results with a
mac and some animation software like Infini-D or Electric Image. There
are lots of packages out there that can do it. The drawback is that they
will probably set you back something like $1000US and _that_ doesn't
even include the computer! :-)

later days!
--dt

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dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu 	   |     what do do with me, how could I 
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