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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:09:51 -0500 
From: John Wayne Weber <jw5f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
	<Bxxy6C.IAu@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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Is it me or do we have some overconfident, nasty Bills fans out there. 
These fans talk like the Bills just got done winning ten Super Bowls. 
Lets stop and look at the facts.

Fact1: Buffalo has NEVER won a Super Bowl.
Fact2: The Bills are #1 in the AFC (currently).
Fact3: The Bills haven't won anything yet in '92.

These are the facts, the Bills are in a good position, but they haven't
won anything yet (and they had two chances).

I close with a bit of history.  In the early '80s the Bills cut Gary
Anderson.  If this wouldn't have happened, there is a good chance the
Bills would be at least one time world champions.  This just go to show
that NOBODY is perfect, including the players on the Bills

j w w

Comments are welcome, but a may not really care what they say.
From: JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills resurgence (followup)
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:36:39 GMT
 <98194@netnews.upenn.edu> <Bxz87L.Gyo@acsu.buffalo.edu>
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I agree with the fact that Don Beebe doesn't have the best hands in the
leauge.  He does however take the fasted D-back out of the way for Reed and
Lofton.  I think the best example of this was the Pittsburg game when Lofton
was left wide open for the two touchdowns.  Lofton got the inexperienced
corner and the Bills hit paydirt.  I'm not saying that Beebe in the best
reciever in the league but he does strike more fear than Brad Lamb, Al
Edwards and Steve Tasker when he lines up wide.

Joe C. - A Frank Reich Wanna Be
From: RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE ZANDBERGEN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Divisional statistics, week 11
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:40:08 GMT
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)

Hello all,

what goes round comes around, or something like that. I guess there
is something to parity after all. The AFC goes 4-0 against the NFC,
and the NFC East goes 0-5 after last week's 5-0. I guess a few more
years and all games will end as 17-17 ties :-)

So here goes:

Divisional statistics for week 11
---------------------------------
           All games     Outside div.
AFC East     3-2            1-0
AFC Central  2-2            2-2
AFC West     4-1            3-0

NFC East     0-5            0-5
NFC Central  2-3            1-2
NFC West     3-1            2-0

AFC - NFC matchups for week 11
------------------------------
AFC - NFC     4 - 0

Cumulative divisional statistics up to week 11 (including)
----------------------------------------------------------
             All games     Outside div.
AFC East    23-27          10-14  (0.4167)
AFC Central 22-18          14-10  (0.5833)
AFC West    23-27          13-17  (0.4333)

NFC East    28-22          17-11  (0.6071)
NFC Central 21-29           6-14  (0.3000)
NFC West    23-17          15-9   (0.6250)

Cumulative AFC - NFC matchups up to week 11 (including)
-------------------------------------------------------
AFC - NFC    13 - 17

Cheers,
         Rene Zandbergen
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Troy Aikman
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:49:22 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Nov22.185522.13357@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:
>Come on Welch. Get a grip of yourself and the game in question.
>Aikman did NOT exhibit composure under pressure.

Why not?  The Cowboys went the length of the field with the game on the line.
Aikman made one mistake, not grounding the ball immediately after a throw
over the center, but he did move them down into a position to win.  Where was
the lack of composure?

>If can't see that,
>then I wasting my time.

A Freudian slip if I ever saw one.

>It is a team effort. Remember Brent Jones'
>winning TD pass against the Saints. He knew what he was doing and
>so did Young. In your scenario, it is obvious the opposite was in
>affect.

That's "catch", Jones didn't throw the ball.  And I *said* that the
mistake was the receiver's on the last play.  Why do you insist on dumping
it on Aikman?  The throw was perfect -- would have been --  but the receiver
stopped.

>>Here's some more food for thought:  where was Young's brilliant performance
>>against the Cardinals?  Oh, I guess he choked.
>>
>It was an aberration.
>The Niner team fucked up that Sunday, not just Young.

And of course, against the Rams, the Cowboys played a completely stellar
game -- except for that choker, Aikman.  Do you even read what you are
writing?  Do the words actually come from your brain, or have your fingers
taken on a ghostly life of their own?  Or do you actually think that the
Cowboys' performance against the Rams *wasn't* an aberration?

>I am not
>going to get in an ongoing argument with you, Mr. Welch.

That's because you *can't*.  You've already tripped over yourself at least
three times in as many posts.

>The bottom line is that Aikman,
>despite all his talent, is not yet ready to lead his team all the
>way.

You go right on believing that, Johnny Johnny Johnny.  Oh, yeah, how many
Superbowl wins has Young led his team to?  For that matter, how many
playoff wins, or even *appearances*, has Young led his team to?  I know,
that's different.

Daniel Welch
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:03:00 EST
From: <IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Predictions - 6 Games Remaining
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cancel this now
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:26:33 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
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 <1992Nov17.212233.26810@ncsu.edu>

The Point Is - the Buffalo Bills beat the 49ers at San Francisco.  Anyone
who's a football fan knows that the Bills had a big road field advantage in
that game.  Yes, I'm talking road field advantage.  The 49ers, throughout the
years, have been a much better team on the ROAD.  They're betting on the road
then at home, and this includes Pasadena.  49ers 35, Bills 17 - should Buffalo
even make it that far.
** Rob **
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From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Moon shines bright.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:15:42 GMT
Organization: Atheist for the Development of a Better God

In article <Bxs4pC.Fru@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>I will never forget his gutsy play when he converted a
>3rd and 4 situation by running for a 1st down. But he
>paid for it and took a vicious hit for it and sprained
>his shoulder.
	As a big Oiler fan, I am quite concerned with Moon's condition.
However, since The Hit(tm) I have heard conflicting reports of exactly
what the injury is. I have heard that it is a sprained shoulder, broken
collarbone, cracked vertebrae and a broken arm. All have agreed that he
will be out 3-6 weeks. What is it really?

	I don't have the same confidence in Cody that I do in Moon, but 
we could do a lot worse than Cody Calrson leading this team. The rest of 
the season looked tough before this, but now I don't know how this team 
can do. Perhaps this will get this team to pull together and play like 
a team. From what I have seen of this season, the Oilers seem to have
the same problem the Vikings did last year.

-- 
Chris Baldwin                | Anybody can fuck a pig; it takes a Marine 
baldwin@carina.unm.edu       | to fuck a pig to death.
                             |                          -Dan Hillman
"Is it just a coincidence that aliens always choose to abduct stupid people?"
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Air Coryell
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:40:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Ed lor writes:
	Satish you should be ashamed of yourself...
	A loyal Giant fan not knowning Bill Arnsparger?? Sigh.

I have agood excuse for this.  I was about 8 years old at the time and
not only didn't I follow football, I wasn't even in the country back then.
I got into football around 1988 and liked the GIANTS despite having
gone to school in New England (believe it or not, the Pats used to be good
back then).

satish nair
a neophyte yet loyal giants fan.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:54:21 EST
From: <IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Dallas...
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 <1992Nov17.120702.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>

not to mention, now the entire league doesn't look at the Dallas Cowboys
as the immaculate god team that i always knew they weren't.
The eagles beat the cowboys, so, the eagles are a good team with a great
defense, other teams aren't that good. BUT the SUCK rams beat the cowboys
at home of all places, now no team (save the pats and falcons) should fear
the cowboys.
(it's the beginning of the end, but don't spread the word too much)
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:33:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <wallyt.721924118@cserver>, wallyt@cserver.plexus.com (Wally Thomson) writes...

>Did anyone see the interview with Randall Cunningham before the Packer game?
>He was asked some standard questions about being benched and how he felt
>about coming back this week.  Mr. Allstar Q.B. replied "Well, it's only
>the Packers - It's not like we're playing Minnesota or (some other GOOD teams)".
>Nice attitude!  I was told that after the game he apologized for his statements
>and said the Packers aren't so bad after all.  Thanks for the inspiration.
>I wonder how many packer players heard his comments before the game.
>I used to think Cunningham was a classy player - was I wrong. I hope
>he gets benched again after loosing to a team as bad as the packers.  

I hope *every* player for all the teams on the rest of the Packers 
schedule has the same attitude toward the Packers as Cunningham had 
before the game.  Ya know, maybe being in such a small media market 
has it's advantages - no hype.

JGH
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:38:44 -0500 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: THE BET III-sign me up

I'm taking THE BET III - My vote is AFC

Erik Witte

I'm going to say it right now so all of you know - the Bills will win
the AFC East, the AFC, and Super Bowl 27.

The NFC is the better conference, but the Bills will take 'em all.  The
AFC is just weighted down by loser AFC Teams like the Dolphins. :)
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jason's Predictions for week 12
Date: 20 Nov 1992 03:44:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Nov19.174955.28173@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh) writes:
>
>last week i was 7-7 in picking winners... let's see how i do with the
>spread... 
>
   Went 9-5 myself, but sure ain't bragging.

>who    where  home team favored by   my pick comments
>---    -----  --------------------   ------- --------
>Atl @  Buff             14           Buffalo
                                      I think Atlanta will stay within
				      2 TDs
>Phi @  NYG              -3.5         Giants... to win
                                      Philly... to win
>Hou @  Mimi             3.5          Miami... Moon is out
                                      The Fins by 6 
>Det @  Cin              2.5          Cincinatti
                                      Lions w/the upset
>GB  @  Chi              5.5          Green Bay... w/points
                                      Bickering Bears fall to Favre
				      and Co.
>Cle @  Minn             9.5          Minnesota... no O from Cle
                                      yup
>Ind @  Pitt             12           Pittsburgh... no D from Colts
                                      ditto
>Den @  Raid             4            Raiders... away from home, Denver
>                                     ain't so good. Elway may not play
                                      ditto
>SF  @  Rams             -7           San Fran... better D, better O
                                      Rams...they always play the Niners
				      tough 
>Dal @  Phoe             -8.5         Dallas... BIG rebound
                                      Nunn and Harvey are out. Smith will
				      run wild and Irvin will catch a long
				      TD pass
>NYJ @  New England      -4.5         Patriots... hey, they might even
>                                     win it! 
                                      Jets by a TD. Pats beat the Colts and
				      nobody else
>Tam @  SD               8.5          Tampa... 8.5 too high... maybe 4
                                      San Diego romps by 2 TDs. Bay won't
				      score over 10 and the Chargers will
				      get at least 3 TDs
>KC  @  Sea              -11.5        Kansas... 17-0
                                      sounds good
>Was @  N.O.             4            New Orleans... impressed me last
>            week, Washington hasn't looked impressive since super bowl
                                      In the dome on a Monday I've gotta
				      go with the Saints also

--salty
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Air Coryell
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:46:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

In the pre-game to the San Diego-Tamp Bay matchup, folks kept referring to
Air Coryell.  Are there any die-hard Lightning Bolt fans out there who could
fill me in on what exactly Air Coryell was??  Thanks!

Another question, is the SD defensive coordinator the same who was the D
coordinator for the Miami non-name defense of the seveties??

satish nair
go giants
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Nov16.163218.19492
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <BxsunG.7Ir@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder) writes:
>>Of course, these are the AFC playoff losers better than the NFC champs:
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>84: --
>>85: --
>>86: --
>>87: --
>>88: --
>>89: --
>>90: --
>As long as we're playing "what if", put the Bills here.  If you disagree,
>please insert an explanation for why a missed field goal proved that the
>Giants were a superior team.  
Because the Bills weren't an AFC playoff loser.

Do you think the Bengals, the Raiders or the Dolphins could have beaten
the Giants?

I happen to think that the Giants were no better than the Bills. 
I also think that the 49ers were the best of the three.

>Note:  I was rooting for the Giants in both
>the NFC Championship and the Superbowl, and I think they should have lost
>both, and were certainly not the "better" team.  
Let's put it this way. For 8 years, the closest the AFC has got was
"a team no worse than the eventual champs but lost on a last minute FG".

That tells you about the gap between "the best of the NFC" and "the best 
of the AFC".

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:24:00 -0500 
From: Paul Puglielli <pp1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Status of .....


Does anyone know the status of Hassan Jones of the Vikes and
Ernie jones of the Cards?  They have not played for the past
few weeks, but I haven't seen them listed as injured anywhere.

Thanks,

       Paul Puglielli
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC Playoff Predictions
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:12:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Team Rankings:

Cowboys #1 Divison Leader
49ers   #2 Divison Leader
Vikes   #3 Divison Leader
Saints  #1 Wildcard
Skins   #2 Wildcard
Eagles  #3 Wildcard


Saints ---
          |----Skins 
Skins  ---        |
                  |------Cows 
Cows   -----------|       |
                          |-------49ers & Bills  ===> 49ers win Super Bowl
49ers  -----------|       |
		  |------49ers
Vikes  ---        |
          |---- Vikes 
Eagles ---



-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: Saints beat Redskins or Redskins beat themselves
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:40:27 GMT

FINAL SCORE:  Saints 20  Redskins  3

You have got to be kidding. Rypien had chances to hit
wide open receivers all night long. What does do he do?
He over throws them by a mile. They wuz robbed
they should have won this game. :-) The only good thing 
about this game is that I won the "interactive" game at 
my local sports bar. I had the Redskins, my friends had 
the Saints. 

It seems that if you were to change the Saints uniform
colors to red/gold (49ers), it would be hard to differentiate
between these two teams. The Saints offense was pretty
precise at times, especially towards the end when they 
were "eating" up the clock. I thought I was seeing the
Niners at work. :-)  
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions - Week 11
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:57:39 GMT

In article Yf0g1Xe00WBNA5mZcd@andrew.cmu.edu, jw5f+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Wayne Weber) writes:
> After looking at the predications, I can't help but comment.
> 
> 1. Green Bay will not beat Philly 38-3, guaranteed.

The score was wrong... result was right (even against the spread...  ha ha)
> 
> 2. Rams over Dallas, Detroit over Pgh, naa.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Well, Rams didn't have a chance...  NAA!!!! RAMS WIN!!!!

> 
> 3. Minnesota will not blow out Houston 51-3, it just won't happen.


Way to go Oilers!!!!

> 
> Otherwise, those other picks are possible, but some are still unlikely.
                                   ^^^^^^^^

It is good to see that you know exactly what is possible and what is not!!!!
> 
> j w w
> 
> Period.

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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: The Bet III
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:11:50 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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Ok! I'll take the Bills. Errr Imean the AFC!!!!



We got to play them this week!, on our Local radio talk shwo Chris Miller
(QB ATL) said if we only grt beat by 10 points it's as good as a n.  


So much for Gerry Glanville!

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From: tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:59:19 GMT

v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:


>1984

>regular season: Miami beat San fran
>Super Bowl    : San fran beat Miami

The 49ers only lost one game in 1984, to Pittsburg.  They did not play Miami.
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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: Earnest Byner?!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:21:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

What's the status of Byner's injury?  Our paper left Washington
out of the injury report.  Thanks


Jeff              wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: MNF
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:36:26 GMT
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu

Hi there
Can anybody post the latest score in the MNF game?
Thanks a lot.

		******   ******
                     *   *
                ******   ******
                *             *
                ******   ******        and counting down .
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WE Give UP!!!!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:51:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <By4u1w.4L8@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
>
>As I sit here in my grungy! basement watching the BILLS DESTROY, CREAM,
>and Literaly kill the Falcons, I GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>We WANT A REAL COACH !!!!!! someonr anyone take JERRY, HOUSTONq SEATTLE
>ANYONE

Many people could have told you that this would happen, but Atlanta was so
desparate that they went for the flashiness of a Glanville team.  See what
it gets you?  Now teams hate Atlanta so much they run up the score on
them.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: mgriffin@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Mark Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Glanville
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:10:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1e9689INNq6
Organization: Kansas State University
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trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.161227.4205@col.hp.com>, kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary) writes:
>>Deion and two unidentified people tried to hold
>>both back.  I think Tolliver just threw an interception or something.
>>Looks like Glanville is out of control. 

IMO I think Deion should be fined for trying to keep the two separated.  I 
would have loved to have seen Tolliver deck Glanville.

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From: bsmith@osf.org ()
Subject: I'm just bats about the pats!
Originator: bsmith@crustacean
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:54:49 GMT


As most of us know by now, the Pats finally won their first game Sunday, 
beating the Colts in OT. This game had everything for the football fan:
a runback for a TD, *two* INT's run back for TDs, missed FG's, long TD passes,
short TD passes, TD runs, controversial penalties, fumbles, lots of offense,
lots of defense, even TV announcers with a sense of humor ("Vincent Brown's
the only guy I've ever seen with muscles in his face"). 

The Pats perseverance paid off at last. The 0-9 team that wouldn't quit won
one when all seemed lost. And wouldja believe it Pats fans? No injuries
reported after the game. *That* hasn't happened in a while! Betcha Foxboro
Stadium'll be rockin this Sunday when the Pats take the field against the Jets!

Bruce Smith
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