From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: The launch window for 51% of abortions (Keith, note)
Summary: Peter, Please Adjust Your Set.  Your Reception Of Reality Is Fuzzy. 
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In article <nyikos.727650381@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>In <1993Jan21.041351.8371@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>In article <nyikos.727393071@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>>>In <1993Jan14.064750.48880@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>>>
>>>I do, but a bozo (I think it was Keith Cochran said my wife should get a
>>>new ob/gynecologist because ours uses weeks since LMP.  Just goes to show
>>>the superficial basis on which some people make sweeping decisions.
>
>>Wasn't me.  I could care less if your wife's OB uses days, weeks, seconds, or
>>fractions of a solar year.
>
>Sorry. Guess I'll have to search back over my files.

So how come you'll apologize to me, but you won't apologize to Adrienne for
calling her a forger?  Does it have to do with the magnitute of your error,
or the fact that I'm a man?

>
>>>
>>>>  My statement that most of
>>>>what's aborted are embryos, not fetuses, is correct.
>>>
>>>Not clear.  You are using stats from the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which
>>>has a vested PR interest in underestimating time since LMP, or whatever.
>
>>You're really big on conspiracy theories, aren't you?
>
>Maybe you are, thinking Ted Kaldis conspired with the tire iron brandishers
>when he assures me otherwise.

I saw the original posts from T*d.  I saw the later posts, where he claimed
that he "loaned his tire iron to a friend".  I then saw the even later posts
where he claimed that he didn't know what his friend wanted it for.  I've
even seen a post where Toodles joked about how it came back bent.

So how long have you been on the net, Honey?

>
>Maybe you even think *I* conspire with homophobes, judging from your
>aggressive post in which you told me to check out the real world.  I
>posted a long reply to that, and never saw you follow up, although
>Larry Margolis did, making snide remarks indicating that he has no
>idea of the relative risk of AIDS from anal intercourse vis-a-vis
>vaginal intercourse.  [Free clue: there is a difference.]

I never saw your response.  Could you either re-post it, or e-mail it to
me at kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu?

Here's another free clue:  There's isn't a difference.

And please explain to your audience the difference between HIV and AIDS.

>
>>>BTW which of these two figures does Keith Cochran's figure of 51%
>>>before [the end of?] the 8th week use?  I know what *he* thinks it uses,
>>>but what does it really use?
>
>>That's a good question.  Why don't you ask me?
>
>I think Larry answered that one: LMP.  Do you agree with him?

Well, since his figures jibe with mine, but I've never seen which method was
used, I guess I do.

>
>And do you agree that it is correct to say *end* of 8th week, not
>*beginning* of 8th week?

I don't know.  I don't know how those things get figured.

>
>And do you agree with Beth Bartley, that most clinics won't do abortions
>before the beginning of the 8th week?

I don't recall seeing her say that, so I can't say.

>
>[Mighty small "launch window" for 51% of all 1,500,000+ abortions done
>in 1991, no? ]

Well, the figures I posted I got from E. E. Bartley, so I guess you'd have
to ask her about it...

>
>>>
>>>And as I said to him before, doesn't a figure of 51% sound a tad suspicious
>>>on the face of it?
>
>>Then why don't you refute it?  Preferably using PRIMARY sources, if you don't
>>mind...
>
>I will content myself with your answers to the above questions, plus a
>little logic and common sense.  Of course, if your answers are like your
>brother Mark's, I'll have to do all my own answering, or rely on some
>helpful pro-choicers, like Beth Bartley or Brian Kendig.  Perhaps you
>would like to beat them to the punch?  and set a good example for Big
>Brother Mark?

In other words, you can't refute it, so you're going to try and innuendo your
way out of it.
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