From: wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Cnews questions
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:09:03 GMT
Reply-To: Kai 'wusel' Siering <wusel@hactar.hanse.de>
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In article <xxX9s*zQ7@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca>, Hugh D. Gamble writes:

% In article <1C20D113TA@URANUS.zer.sub.org>, Goetz Schuchart writes:
%
% >   Me too - but I prefer 'alt.sys.amiga.cnews' because e.g. on my machine
% >   cnews runs under different tranport mechanisms.
% >   I would please Kai 'wusel' or someone else to gate the new group into
% >   a mailing list because we are not able to get alt.*

[BTW, why? Can't see any real reason for this in your case ... -> Mail]

% In which case, you should prefer comp.sys.amiga.something.  And .cnews
% is too specific, I think .news is better.  The problem is that someone
% might get comp.sys.amiga.news mixed up with comp.sys.amiga.announce.
% So I think the best bet would be something like
% comp.sys.amiga.news.sw.

     Well, I get both comp.sys.amiga.all and alt.sys.amiga.all, thus it
makes no real difference fo me =:->

% And there's no reason for sticking it in alt, or keeping the .uucp
% group in alt, except inertia. If anyone thinks it's too much work
% posting formal discussion and vote messages for a real group, look
% into it. It's not all that different from what it takes to make a
% successfull alt group (alt groups don't necessarily get good
% propagation even to sites that get other alt groups).

     I'm not really aware of the formalism needed for creating a regular
(comp, sci, ...) USENET group nor what's required for a new ALTNET (I
think it's call so) group. But from the discussions in de.* (and we have
de.alt.* there) I think it's this:

USENET:
 - Start RfD (Request for Discussion). After the arguments have exchanged
   (say, about 3 weeks) and if there still seems to be a demand for the
   group,

 - start CfV (Call for Votes). This again takes 4 weeks, then you have to
   compute the result. In case the group passed,

 - send a request for posting a `newgoup' message to someone responsible
   for this (dunno who, sorry).

ALTNET:
 - Post proposal to alt.config asking for comments. If not too much poeple
   say `nah!' during 3 (more? less?) weeks, go on and

 - post the `newgroup mygroup' to `alt.config', stating something like
   `according to discussion in alt.config ...'

Am I wrong? (That's more or less the way it's done in de.*/de.alt.*, the
German newsgroups.) If not, an alt group is a lot easier and faster to
create -- for the cost of lesser propagation, I am told.

% I'm going to keep harping that it should be a comp group, and anyone

     I would prefer to stay in alt and create alt.sys.amiga.cnews NOW. One
reason is the one you mentioned above: `The problem is that someone might
get comp.sys.amiga.news mixed up with ...' Currently, the traffic here is
reasonable low (at least compared with c.s.a.advocacy =:->) and usually
directly related to the topic of this group. I'm afraid when switching to
comp, we instantly get more noise in terms of unrelated articles ... I
agree, just an assumption, but ...

% who wants to be the official vote taker for a new alt group can bug me
% to either shut up, or take the responsibility myself. :-) Does anyone
% else want do do it? Please? :-)
%
% I think it's time to get this discussion out in news.groups.
% How many people are behind me?

3 out of oo? =:->

     How about this: let's try to create a.s.a.cnews now, to have a
working group. Then let's discuss the moving to comp again, this time
under an appropriate topic (`CNews questions' isn't exactly what I'd call
`appropriate' =:->). Taking the results of THAT discussion into account,
someone (read: volunteering Hugh D. Gamble =:->) eventually starts the
regular RfD. That way, there is already a group for CNews while we're
anxiously awaiting the results of the voting -- and just in case it fails,
nothing's wasted (except your time =:->) ...

Comments?
			kai

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