HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rmm@colman.ipac.caltech.edu (Mike Melnyk)
Subject: Re: scritti politti
Keywords: scritti politti
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:59:03 GMT

In article <Bs7rx8.FwK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (bassler ryan p) writes:
>Ryan Bassler...(bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if Scritti is due for a new album?  The only new thing
>I've heard was their cover of "She's a Woman" on Mtv's "Earth to Mtv (?)"
>about a year ago and I couldn't find it in the imports.  I do know that
> David Gamson was busy producing Roger's "Bridging the
> Gap" album (Roger, who did his classic talkbox thing on Boom!).
>
>

Yeah, what's the deal with Scritti Politti anyway? It's been over FOUR YEARS
since their last album.

However, I recently saw an import CD by B.E.F. (British Electric
Foundation) with the words "featuring Green Gartside" on front.
The CD had only two or three songs on it, one of which was written by Lennon-
MacCartney (I didn't recognize it as a familiar Beatles' song).
I haven't seen it since.

BTW, I've never heard "She's a Woman". Is this the song featuring
Shabba Ranks? How does it sound? (I've been looking for it in imports
sections all over L.A. and can't find it.)

Cheers,


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From: tcnolan@unity.ncsu.edu (Troy Nolan)
Subject: Re: FEAR? (was Re: FEAR and DI tour info needed)
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:27:55 GMT

Hello,

I am a native North Carolinian who is making his first trip to the
West Coast (L.A. area) on August 11th, and returning Aug.17th
in time to catch Lollapolooza here the next day.

I am looking for some recommendations for some things to do in
the evenings.What are some good clubs? Any good live bands 
playing while I am there? Either in clubs or on larger stages.
Any other recommendations of things to do? of things to avoid?

Just to give an indication of my taste, I am a big fan of
NIN, Jane's Addiction, RHCP, the cure, Peter Murphy, Ice T, Smith's
and U2. (I am also a big Rush fan). My ideal band to see while
in LA would be Porno for Pyros.

Thanks in advance,
Rodney Boles
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From: matrobb@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Matthew H. Robb)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: DIDs (Desert Island Discs)
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:56:30 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Well, I've thought about this before, and I came to the conclusion that
Ireally only need one 90-minute tape of the Velvet Underground 69 live.
The two cd's are just over an hour apiece, but if you cull the cream and
place it onto a 90-minute tape you have perfection.  I listen to it
about once a week.  Now if I could take 10, we'd be talking Pavement,
Superchunk, Richard Strauss, Flat Duo Jets, Stereolab, My Dad is Dead,
Charles Mingus, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, and Willie Nelson.
Matthew Robb
matrobb@phoenix.princeton.edu
"We communicate more and more, in more defined ways than ever before
It's all very poor, it's all just a bore . . . "
Stereolab, "the Seeming and the Meaning"
From: Eran Lahav <elahav@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:39 PDT
Subject: Re: Best looking Cds
Nf-ID: #R:14ka33INNc9t@agate.berkeley.edu:-991877840:cdp:1626800020:000:31
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!elahav    Jul 24 10:39:00 1992


The Unforgettable Fire - U2
E.
From: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM (Daniel Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nirvana: Why so popular?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 20:45:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: medicated.corp.sun.com

In article 1874@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) says:
> 
> >In article <1992Jul28.120458.5989@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
> >>
> >><Stuff deleted for bandwidth...>
> >>
> >>How wrong I was.  My question is: WHY?  Why is the rest of the Nirvana
> >>album so popular?  The only reason I can gueess why Nevermind sold 4

 
> The real cause isn't Top 40 listeners or programmers. It's the record
> companies. Big labels like Geffen (Nirvana's label) can afford to hype
> anything to the point that it becomes A Top 40 Institution. (Look what
> they did for Guns 'n' Roses.) Geffen _relentlessly_ hyped Nirvana to
> radio stations. (I know... I'm a radio person.) Now we're at the point
> that if Khurht Khohbaihn [sic] pees on vinyl, it'll go platinum.

I have an alternate explanation. At my radio station (a Northern California
college station serving the San Francisco Bay Regoin), I think we played a
lot of Nirvana (several months before they hit the charts) because Nirvana
were good, and the DJ's liked the group.

At our station, DJ's (for better or worse) don't have immediate access to
industry paraphernalia, trade journals, or other promotional tools. They
just had the album and word of mouth, and they *really* liked "Smells
like Teen Spirit."

Of course, as soon as Nirvana hit teeny-bopper land, the furor died down,
and many even disavowed the group. But Nirvana was popular among DJ's
for a while (who are virtually totally on their own as to what they play)
and aside from providing us a single copy of the record, the record
company was not involved.

> The point is that if big record companies want to make something popular,
> all they need to do is throw enough money behind it. Just look at Milli
> Vanilli.

This is perhaps true to an extent, but I'm sure we could have a cascade-fest
coming up with many counterexamples. Even major Michael Jackson efforts
sometimes just don't catch on.

There's no accounting for taste!
:-)

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From: u9161910@cs.uow.edu.au (Gareth William Omeara)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Who is in "Antenna"?
Keywords: Antenna
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:36:43 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:

>Okay I know this was mentinoed on the net before, which is why
>I remember that someone from some other well-liked band is also
>in "Antenna," but it has slipped my mind who that was.  I heard
>one of their songs last night and realized I would like to be reminded.

>Thanks.

>Lena

If my memory isn't failing me Antenna contains John Strohm(guitar,vocals)
& Freda Boner(drums) from the Blake Babies plus a couple of others whose
names I can't recall at the moment.
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From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: Re: Are The Levellers known in US?
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 03:07:39 GMT


In a previous article, ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk () says:

>Have any of you people Stateside heard of/heard the Levellers?
>
Yep... _Levelling The Land_ was recently released here in the USA by
Elektra Records. Good stuff, not easily classified, but it has a definite
British folk feel to it (a friend of mine thinks it sounds like Fairport
Convention gone 90s--but that might be stretching it just a bit.)

I'm not sure how well the record is doing nationally, but it did very well
at our radio station in Harrisonburg, VA.
From: lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Liz Clayton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Lolla in CHicago
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:55:57 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago

What part of Chicago is the World Music Theatre in?  It isn't.  It's in
Tinley Park, a suburb of Chicago.  If you've got a good map, it should be 
somewhere down there to the southwest of Chicago itself around I-57 and
I-294.  I think.  Ticketmaster in Chicago (312) 559-1212 should be able to
give you a little more help.

Liz


-- 
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"I don't have any talent, so I get up early."                       Liz Clayton
                           -- Henry Rollins         lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu
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From: cb338@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Woo-Ming)
Subject: DIDs (Desert Island Discs)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 01:00:50 GMT


Since there has been a recent uproar in the lack of integrity in some of
the threads in alt.music.alt., maybe we can start this thread that I would
definitely be interested in (I don't know if you've done this before, I've
only be reading this for the last month):

If you were stuck on a desert island and could only bring 10 albums/cassettes/
CDs whatever, what would you bring?  (Idea originally done by Tower Record's
Pulse magazine)  What 10 albums could you not live without?  Feel free to
put reasons why.
-- 
*** Mike Woo-Ming, MPH            cb338@cleveland.freenet.edu   ***
 *** WSU School of Medicine          usr9742a@tso.uc.edu       ***
  *** UCSD, U of M alumni       mwooming@heartland.bradley.edu***
   *******> "I was STUDYING!! I'm just checking my mail" <******
From: chappy@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Doug R. Chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Siouxsie single in US?
Date: 29 Jul 1992 14:09:55 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung) writes:

>is the Siouxsie single "Face to Face" out in the US yet?
>if so, what's on it?
>-r.

Yes, it is out.  We recieved it at our ratio station a couple of weeks ago.
The single only contains "Face to Face", but quite often they will send a
single like that out to radio and later on come out with the actual sales
single with some other tracks.  I am not sure if it is available to the     
public yet, if not it should be soon.

-- 
Doug Chapman
KSDB 91.9 Manhattan, KS.

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: greenm2@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Greenman)
Subject: Re: Badmotorfinger SOMMS
Keywords: Soundgarden
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.172029.22924@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> smw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (scott.wincklhofer) writes:
>Hey,
>
>	So now that I bought Badmotorfinger without SOMMS added, are the
>additional songs worth buying this updated version?
>
>
>
>					Wink.

Being the proud owner of both Badmotorfinger releases, I can confidently
say that SOMMS is worth wrenching that extra $15 out of your wallet.  
The EP a a whole is pretty cool, but the live version of _Slaves_&_
Bulldozers_ is amazing!  My other personal favorites include _Into_the
_Void and _She's_a_Politician.  I went through the same turmoil as everyone
else befor I bought the CD, but I'm glad I did it. (So I've eaten nothing
but pasta for the last two weeks. Big Deal)

Oh yeah, and CD's come in a fantastically designed slimline jewel box.

Enjoy!

	-Matt

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: The new Ministry album
Reply-To: ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:05:03 GMT

In article <19JUL92.19849311.0038@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> D5JW000 <D5JW@UNB.CA> writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.165728.9600@zooid.guild.org> Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>>
>>MC>Well, the new Ministry album is _finally_ out. But the title is a
>>MC>series of untypeable, unprounceable symbols, a la Led Zeppelin IV.
>>MC>Alternate titles I've seen, include _Psalm 69_, _The Tapes Of Wrath_
>>MC>(early title, probably no longer used) and _Ministry_.
>>MC>
>>MC>Anyone know how to pronounce the title? Or should we just call it
>>MC>something else? The closest I can get to typing it is: KE0A\[H](h)
>>MC>
>>MC>My vote is to do the Led Zeppelin route and call it _Ministry V_ (I
>>MC>believe this will be their fifth album)
>>
>>You forgot to mention one thing about the album.
>>
>>It sucks.
>
>                       IDIOT!
>
>Next time keep your small minded opinions to yourself!!!!!

Ooops.  I am sorry, sir.  I did not realize that we weren't allowed to express
opinions  here in alt.music.alternative.  I won't let it happen again.
 
Seriously, tho', I realize that I was a bit abrupt in that particular post. 
But perhaps you should check out my following post where I elaborate upon my
feelings that Ministry licks big time nowadays.  
 
Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca
 

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From: usscoop1@bnr.ca (Chuck McCusker P015)
Subject: RE: Spin Sucks!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:35:14 GMT

|> kdlayon@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Kristofer D Layon) writes:
|> 
|> >They tried desperately to write a "revealing" article about U2 last month,
|> >too, and didn't acheive anything productive.  Just a bunch of whining by
|> >the reporter who wasn't given access to the band on tour.  I don't blame
|> >them...
|>
Talk about your whining. Oh no, someone not worshiping U2 , must be a crappy
magazine. Please.

Chuck Ross - Spin is the best of the mainstream mags out there.
 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa)
Subject: Techno/Rave vs. Industrial
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:49:39 GMT

I was talking to djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon), and said something
about how many of us net people are geeky in a very wonderful wave-of-the-
future sort of way (i.e. "geek" is not a bad word here, but rather slang
for someone who's smart and loves technology and uses it with abandon).  So 
anyway, the conversation turned back to the original techno/rave discussion 
and I thought I'd bring it back to the net.

>Exactly.  What kind of person does it take to create/write/perform
>techno/rave on all of that electronic equipment?  GEEKS, of course!

Certainly.  In fact, this sort of ties into my theory on why rave culture
is so much more friendly than your typical rock-n-roll or club culture.

Rave vs. Rock-n-Roll:

Face it, rock-n-roll is built on one premise:  sex.  Really.  Think about
all those guitar players in tight jeans.  Think about all those lyrics.
Look at all those videos.  Even from the beginning with Elvis (the King,
not Costello) it was all good looks, glamour, sensuality.  And we've all
seen that talent doesn't go too far in pop/rock music -- look at all the
acts that have made it big but aren't fit to lick the dirt off of <name
your fave artist here> shoes.  So unless you buy into the glamour/attitude
thing, either as a player or a star-fucking groupie, you just CAN'T really
be in the "scene."  Anyone out there making intelligent ARTISTIC rock is
outside of the scene, and we probably don't even know about them for all
our indie-college-alternative contacts. (OK, so this is a gross over-
simplification, but you get my point).

Rave vs. Club:

Club culture grew straight out of rock-n-roll, and is based on being
the right kind of person at the right kind of place.  Techno, on the
other hand, is made by a bunch of geeks who want to push their instruments
to unique heights, to achieve a new artistic/technology level.  No sex
seeps into the music -- it's more like the primal beating of your heart,
or waves upon the shore, or echoes of the Big Bang.  The sheer absence
of the rock ATTITUDE is what makes rave/techno so open and relaxed and
all-embracing.  Anyone can join, so long as they check that ATTITUDE at
the door.  The absolutely *nicest* people rave.  And they're willing to
interact and share, rather than posing in some closed-down protective
armor of coolness.  And why?  Because they've been geeks in some way for
most of their lives, perhaps crapped on at some point by the shallow 
style-gods, and so are used to being accepting and open rather being hung up 
on glamour.  This whole techno thing is sort of a musical revenge of the nerds.

Rave vs. Industrial:

The whole industrial-dance scene was a step in the right direction away from
the style fascists of club culture.  However, it was a step made in anger,
so while it was completly valid on its own, by its very nature it could not
be as open and friendly as rave culture.  I see techno/rave as being the
logical outgrowth away from house/acid house/industrial.

Laura
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Brady_David@Tandem.Com (David Brady)
Subject: When is new Pravda K-Tel thingy due?
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:31:58 GMT

I completely enjoyed Pravda's (a label for those uninformed) first K-Tel
tribute album.  When is the next due?  I read about it somewhere a whle ago,
but haven't heard anything recently.

David
 
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:7887 rec.music.industrial:8642
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf))
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Shamen Entact (new) review
Date: 22 Jul 1992 07:40:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: aus,world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <pet.711783178@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
>Bad: Evil is Even (boring), 666 EDIT (a version of progen, not too hot)
>	Oxygen restriction, Hear me (not much thought seems to have been
>	put into these last two tracks. they aren't very interesting)


	Hrm.. three of my favorite tracks on the album!  Evil is Even is an
11-minute MASTERPIECE on the original UK issue, sorta the Orb tempo and
mindset meats MBM soundwerk.  Oxygen Restriction has a great minimalist
sound; not easy to mix with, obviously, but again the soundwerk is fantastic.
Hear me O My People is one of the scariest songs on the album too... I remember
getting shills up and down my spine when I heard this for the first few times,
and that's a GOOD thing :)

	Brian

"We hear the voices of the beast, as it shouts at us,
As it tries to frighten us, as it tries to intimidate us.
Let them know the price is high. But the end, is near."

p.s. - Who is the quote from? In the song it sounds like Nelson Mandala,
which is helped when he mentions South Africa...


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: amymw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Amy Wisotsky)
Subject: Re: What songs AREN'T about sex??! (Was Re: songs about sex)
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:37:13 GMT

bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:

>   To the original poster:  Next time, please just ask for
>    E-MAILED information , NOT posted.  There are a lot of us that DON'T
>  want to see cascades of repeated lists with one extra idea tacked on.

I don't want to start a whole flame war here, but I have to make a
comment.  For those of us who happened to be interested in the thread,
we can't respond to other people's ideas if we haven't seen them.  If
you _aren't_ interested in the content of the posts, don't read them.
Nobody's forcing you.

								-Amy-
								 :)
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Amy M. Wisotsky -- amymw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu 
"Once upon a time, in your wildest dreams...." 
				-Moody Blues   
        				  ----
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From: cradle@wam.umd.edu (Dave Eisner)
Subject: Re: Lolla: What is allowed?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:41:16 GMT

In article <55gmc8+.catcher@netcom.com> catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco) writes:
>They said that you could bring blankets, umbrellas, and lawn chairs for
>the Seattle show, but no food of any kind.  The umbrellas turned out not
>to be allowed.  As for food, I just wrapped up a little bit (boxed
>juices, fruit) in my blanket and they didn't find it.  I would strongly
>recommend that you don't take anything in a can or bottle.  They do go
>through bags, some of the tickettakers being more into it than others.
>
>
>-- 
>From the Vampyre's Lair, 	    The thirst from a vampire bite
>Paul W. Francisco        	    fills the emptiness inside...
>catcher@netcom.com                      - Siouxsie and the Banshees

Will they let you bring plastic bottles of water, say evian? 

					--Dave Eisner
					 cradle@wam.umd.edu
From: Bo Orloff <bo@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: 26 Jul 92 08:11 PDT
Subject: They Might Be Giants tour dates
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1626800023:000:742
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bo    Jul 26 08:11:00 1992


THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS 
Don't Tread On The Cut-Up Snake WORLD TOUR 1992

7/26  Atlanta, GA             Variety Playhouse
7/28  Richmond, VA            Flood Zone
7/30  Pittsburgh, PA          I. C. Light Tent
7/31  Philadelphia, PA        Trocadero
8/01  Morgantown, WV          Nyabinghi Dance Club
8/02  Charleston, WV          Mountain Stage (NPR)
8/04  New Haven, CT           Toad's
8/05  New York, NY            Beacon Theater
8/07  Lenox, MA               Berkshire Prfrmng Arts Ctr
8/08  Montreal, QUE           Le Spectrum
8/09  Ottawa ONT              Porter Hall
8/11  Toronto, ONT            RPM
8/12  Buffalo, NY             The Icon
8/14  Hanover, NH             Dartmouth College
8/15  Boston, MA              Avalon (2 shows)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: New Babes In Toyland Single
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:10:51 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Just received at my radio station today a new Babes in Toyland promo
cd single.

Track listing:

1. Bruise Violet (Radio Edit) 2.52
2. Bruise Violet (Album Version) 2.52

This is out from Reprise. No sell out!: it sounds really good.
But the odd thing is that the edit is not really an edit; it's an entirely
different version, more cleanly produced.

Anyone know when the album's due? Soon I hope.

For your informativeness,
Kreig

kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
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From: dim@soda.berkeley.edu (Dimitrios Gerasimatos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Killing Joke
Date: 24 Jul 1992 03:48:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Does anyone have a discography???

If not, what can you guys tell me about them... I like their style.
From: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM (Daniel Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: a new indie net
Date: 21 Jul 1992 19:50:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: medicated.corp.sun.com


> I have a better idea - why don't we just pull the plug on this group,
> childern? It seems we can't play fair anymore. 
> Besides, with the number of flames on this puppy, soon we'll all be blackened
> chunks of carbon!

I haven't seen that many flames, and don't understand what you mean
about people not playing fair anymore. 'Matter of fact, I recall
approximately '0' flames -- I'm not counting people who say they are
tired of wading through stuff they don't want to read and want to
start a new group.


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