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From: u2122541@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: help!! windows 3.1
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:10:24 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

One of my friend in high school asks me information about Windows 3.1 because
he is helping his teacher to install windows 3.1 into the computer system in
his high school.  Though I am a computer science student, I don't know too 
much about windows 3.1.  He sets up some questions for me to answer.
Though some of the questions, I think, do not make much sense, I list all 
them out if anyone can help me.

His high school is now using 286 as terminals (about 30 terminals) and using
a 386, 8M on board, as a file server.  It has a hard disk about 150M.  The
whole system uses novell network.  The questions are as follow.

1.  what is the technical capabilities of windows 3.1?  What does it allow
    users to do and what types of data that can be handled?

2.  What are the applications of windows 3.1 in the system?

3.  What important effects would windows 3.1 has on the information processing
    cycle of the system?  How and why they are affected?

4.  What would be the effect of the introduction of windows 3.1 on the 
    procedures for coordinating the system and controlling information flow?
    Which procedures have to be changed and why?

5.  What effects does windows 3.1 has on the efficiency and effectiveness
    of the system?


6.  After all, as a computer network system mentions above, how should he set
    up the system to make it most effective and efficiency?


These questions might not make too much sense but I think what my friend wants
is some information about windows 3.1, so that he can make a decision.  

Any information about it would be help!!
Can anyone help me?  Thanks a lot!!!!!

Laurie

u2122541@csdvax.cds.unsw.edu.au 
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From: ychang@physics.ucla.edu (Yian Chang,Kn A-127,x51956,208-2021)
Subject: Windows 3.1 problems, please help!
Reply-To: ychang@physics.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 01:43:10 GMT

Hi,
  Recently, I installed Windows 3.1 and then I installed Adobe TypeManager 2.0 & Type
Align (1.0?).  Everything looked fine during the installation.  But after I exited,
I couldn't enter Windows.  I found that if I removed a line added by Type Align in
win.ini:
  load=c:\typealgn\talgndll.exe
Then everything looks fine now.   Can anyone tell me why?  Did I screw up something?
  Another problem.  After this, I installed Word for Windows 2.0.  It works fine
except the equation editor.  The editor can't find MS EXTRA and Fence fonts.  I did
the same installation as I did in Windows 3.0.  But why doesn't equation editor work?
  Please e-mail me if you know what I did wrong, thanks in advance.
--Yian Chang (ychang@physics.ucla.edu)

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From: wpg30940@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (WILT)
Subject: Screen flickering in SVGA
Summary: My screen flickers in SVGA mode
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:59:26 GMT
Keywords: SpeedSTAR Optiquest flicker windows

I am running MS Windows 3.1 in 1024x768 w/ 256 colors mode.  However, my 
screen has an annoying flicker that I can't seem to get rid of.  I have
a Diamond SpeedSTAR SuperVGA graphics card w/ 1 meg ram  and am using an 
Optiquest 1000 monitor.  According to the docs the monitor can support 
any vertical frequency from 47-90 Hz (either interlaced or non-int.) and
the card can support both 60 & 70 Hz in non-interlaced 1024x768 Mode.
But, when I try these settings on the card, the monitor becomes fuzzy and
blurry.  In order to use 1024x768 mode, I am running at 44 Hz (interlaced).

Does anyone use Win 3.1 with a similar setup ?  Can you e-mail me how you 
have your sys configured.

Does anyone know the sync polarities for the Optiquest 1000 or what monitors
it emulates ?

E-mail me if you have any suggestions or questions.   THANKS !!!

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From: lipsett@lido.camb.inmet.com (Roger Lipsett)
Subject: Windows 3.1/QEMM
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:04:04 GMT


I am running DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, and QEMM version 6 (I think, but I forgot
to check) on my 386/33, 4Mb.  I am trying to reconfigure QEMM so that it
leaves some extended memory (it is currently configured to manage all
extended memory as expanded memory).

My CONFIG.SYS contains:
	Device=QEMM.SYS RAM ROM EXTMEM=1024
	DOS=HIGH
and nothing else.

When I do this, Windows will not boot in enhanced mode, but will in standard
mode.  If I remove either the EXTMEM=1024 phrase or remove DOS=HIGH,
Windows boots just fine.  It doesn't matter how much memory I try to leave
unconverted (EXTMEM=1 has the same effect).

When Windows tries to start, the logo comes up and I am then returned
politely to a C: prompt, with no messages of any kind.

What's going on?

Thanks,
Roger Lipsett
Intermetrics, Inc.
Cambridge, MA 02138

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From: jfreter@triton.unm.edu (The Myth)
Subject: Re: Can't create swap fil
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 21:43:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Brwrq5.FKr@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino) writes:
>
>This doesn't add up.  The E: drive is not "STACKER'd" and it's empty.
>So there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to put a permanent swap
>file on drvie E:.  Windows requires the space for the permanent swap
>file to be contiguous.  I would expect E: to be that way, since it's 
>empty, but one could do a "format E:" on it to make sure.
>
>Vince

Also, three things that must be remembered about windows 3.1. 
1)  max virtual memory size = 4* amount of RAM installed.
    1.e.  2 MB machine can only use 8 MB of virtual memory
2) total of RAM and virtual memory < or = 16 MB.  So, 4 MB of RAM
   would mean that the machine can only have 12 MB of virtual memory.
   Any RAM above 16 MB (real, not virtual) needs to be used as disk cache
  and/or RAM disk.  
3) Virtual memory will only take up 1/2 of the availible disk space.  a
   20 MB partition will only support a 10 MB virtual memory area.

How much RAM did the original pc have?


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From: remke@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jan K. Remke)
Subject: Re: NT vs. UNIX
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.223603.26154@unislc.uucp>, thayne@unislc.uucp (Thayne Forbes) writes:

(...stuff deleted...)
 
> Things are obviously a lot different in Germany than they are here.
> There is a preponderance of imperical evidence to suggest that nearly
> all PCs are not used for games.  Equally so of Windows.  I will start
> with the obvious sales figures of various retailers and distributors.
> The last time I looked they all showed 'business' apps in ALL of the
> top 10 titles (listed according to unit volume, not dollars).  Sure
> there are a lot of games, and PCs and Winders do tend to make nice
> game machines, but that is not what is selling.

NOT only in Germany (I'm not German, I only live there, I'm DUTCH.),
but all over Europe... PCs are the game machines of the kids here,
that's about it. If the people in the U.S. of A. are not that far,
(I mean using more sophisticated machines) then it's not my problem :-) ...

Greetings:
Jan

PS: I use my PC for playing games and as a terminal for my sun SPARC/IPX.

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From: scimeddd@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Library of Sciences and Medicine Document Delivery)
Subject: comp.fonts
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:03:09 GMT

I'm looking for a font which contains all the phonetic symbols. It must be
the IPA (?) codes (sorry asking for a friend and don't quite recall what he
said). Any help would be appreciated.
thanks in advance, 
Mark - scimeddd@gpu.utcs.utoronto.edu
From: paulj@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (pPAUL JEFFERSON)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: DosPrint in win.ini
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:01:32 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul28.105756.21031@trantor.harris-atd.com>, mmccolli@ess.harris.com (Mike McCollister) writes:
> I was nosing around in my win.ini file and found this line:
>    DosPrint=no
> Does anyone know what this does and what will happen if I change it to yes?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Mike
> 
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From: remke@cs.tu-berlin.de (Jan K. Remke)
Subject: Re: NT vs. UNIX
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:38:37 GMT

In article <83fm9ha@lynx.unm.edu>, jfreter@triton.unm.edu (The Myth) writes:

> And, in the US, pc are used mostly for serious work.  If people want to 
> play games, they buy Amiga's, Nintendo's, and Mac's as well as low-end
> (i.e. 386sx/286 ) pcs.  The pc's are used some for games, but the pc's
> really aren't at heart game machines.  Most have only an internal speaker,
> no game port as standard equipment.  Compared to the Amiga's that have 
> pretty good sound, decent graphics/animation it is no wonder that pc's
> aren't used for games here.

In Europe that was the case five years ago. Now nearly no PC is sold
without sound, graphics, joystick and mouse. (Windows included.)
Amigas, ST, are 'OUT' here. The game port is standard equipment,
see: Multi I/O Card... (Don't they know that in the US...) :-)
Serious work is done on MULTITASKING / MULTIUSER systems. What else ?

Your's
Jan.

PS: I'm sitting in front of a SPARC...

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From: aj@ib.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Jessett)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: WinSpeed
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:27:12 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory

Can anyone tell me if WinSpeed video accelerator software works 
with Windows 3.1 and provides worthwhile enhancement. I know this will
depend largely on the particular video card/resolution but your comments/
experience would be appreciated.  

Andrew F. Jessett
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
aj@uk.ac.rl.ib
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From: muzaffer kal <muzo@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: NT vs. UNIX
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:42:43 PDT

> Then again, somebody claimed Dave Cutler said that a paper was given on
> NT at the USENIX "Microkernel and other" conference because it was an
> "other", not because it was microkernel-based....
> 
> (How big *are* the "microkernels" - i.e., no UNIX or Windows API, no
> file systems, no networking, etc., just the raw base atop which the
> aforementioned are built - in Mach 3.0 or NT?  I.e., how "micro" are
> they?)

nt is not the only ukernel. next is a ukernel implementation also. it is 
mach dependent. nt is definitely ukernel and i think the kernel is less than 
60k. everything else is implememented as dll. nt ukernel doesn't even 
include the executive.
muzaffer

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From: jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (John Burke)
Subject: HPIII Driver for RUNTIME Windows
Originator: jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:35:24 GMT


Has anyone ever heard of a driver for the HP III Printer for the old Runtime
windows or Windows 286/386?  I know its a bit obscure, but hey, I work at
a cheap university!  Thanks.



John Burke
jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Any info on ATI CRYSTAL FONTS for WINDOWS 3.1?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:00:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul29.140341.27571@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> hscohen@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Harvey S. Cohen) writes:

>The Crystal Fonts driver is on the ATI BBS.
 
 I was also informed that the new crystal font driver is available by
ftp from cica.indiana.edu in /pub/pc/win3/uploads as win31xtl.zip

 I'm trying to get that file but I also plan to check out the ATI BBS for
additional information.


>> As I understand it, there is a converter available that will take a post-
>>script font and make a crystal font from it. Does this procedure work
>>effectively when using windows as a dtp platform?

>The new driver supports the old MS Windows fonts (Courier, System)
>and all TrueType fonts. A Adobe-to-Crystal converter is supposed to
>be available on the ATI BBS 'Real Soon Now.'
 
 I may be incorrect in my understanding of how the crystal fonts work, but
I get the impression that they do what Adobe Type Manager does-- create on
the fly screen fonts from the vector font in memory (hd or ram). Whereas
ATM reads the ps font directly, the special technology in the Crystal Font
requires a specific crystal font on the hd. The converter would enable a
postscript user to create crystal fonts for any and all the ps fonts and 
thus replace the atm screen fonts with the crystal fonts. They would be
available for use in all Windows apps.
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From: pfmj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: FORSALE:WINDOWS 3.1
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:12:41 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

I have a brand new unopened copy of Windows 3.1 I would like to sell.
It is not an OEM, but the originasl from microsoft.
THis sells for $99 at most stores and I want to sell it
for at least $80.
Thanks,
Seenu

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From: reuben@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Subject: VT terminal emulation package
Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City NY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:17:23 GMT

Hi All,

Could someone tell where I can find a windows VT terminal emulation
communication package that works with a network card?  It would be great if it
came with documentation.

Thanks in advance.
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From: Andrew.Stratton@cm.cf.ac.uk (Andrew F Stratton)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Quantum Cached 52 Mbyte hard disk with Windows.
Keywords: disk cache
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:21:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

A very quick question - I have a 4 Mbyte 486/33 with stacker and smartdrv
accessing a 52 Mbyte Quantum cached (64k) hard disk - Should I remove smartdrv?

My main use of the machine will be C++ programming (probably Borland).

	Thanks in advance,
	  Andy Stratton.

P.S. Does anyone know the parameters for a 52 MByte quantum for the AMT BIOS?
     I made mine up - and I think I'm 2 Mbyte off the maximum!
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From: muzaffer kal <muzo@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: Windows NT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:38:51 PDT

cdent@europa (Christopher Dent) writes:

> 
> 
> Who can tell me where to look for a mildly comprehensive collection of  
> information on NT? I've seen the articles in InfoWorld and other places. What
> I'm really looking for is propaganda. I want to read about not what everyone 
> saying it cannot do but what people are hoping it might do. Despite Microsoft
i think your best best is to get windows nt july pre-release sdk. it comes 
with a cd rom only version for $70 and it has all the docs you'll ever need 
online with the sdk as an added bonus. it tells you all the planned features 
of the system. if you want hard copy docs, it's extra $360. i have that and 
i think it's is well thought out system with the next 10 years in mind.
muzaffer

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From: ksb@adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Kelvin S. Bryant)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Pif files and DOS apps
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:55:14 GMT
Distribution: comp.windows.ms
Organization: Adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Administration machine NCSU Dept. Computer Science)

I've obviously broken something.  When I try to bring up DOS applications
full-screen or within a window I receive an error message saying "You 
can not run this application in a window or in the background ..."  I
only get this message for applications that are using pif files.  I have
checked the pif settings and can't find anything wrong.  Any suggestions?
By the way, these are just "text" applications and at one time I had no
problems bringing them up full screen or within a window.

ksb.
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From: glazer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Jon Glazer)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Windows cannot use swap files (ultimate corruption)
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:01:50 EDT

I have asked this question on Compuserve various times and have not had it
resolved so I thought I'd turn here for advice.

We are having many problems with windows when it comes to swap files.  We
cannot use Permanent swap files because they are consistantly corrupted,
temporrary swap files seem to work but then it still says the permanent swap
file is corrupted (again we are not using permanent swap files) each time
we re-start windows.  It keeps saying it will delete it or set it to zero
but to no avail, next time, same thing.  Even when you go into control panel,
it says the swap file on drive E: is corrupt and will be set to zero.  Not
surprising since there is no drive E: on the whole system (ultimately corrupt
I guess).  Is there any way to stabalize this?  I'd like to use permanent but
it will not accept it (our hard drives are almost entirely empty so there is
plenty of contiguous space).

Another question, when setting 32bit disk access to on, windows will not load
due to a compatibility problem with another driver.  The only addtional driver
we load is novell's VTCPIP.386 for Lan Workplace.  Is this the cuprit?

Thanks,
Jon


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From: burd@pilot.njin.net (Barry Burd)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Better Cascade?
Keywords: microsoft windows cascade
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:24:28 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.ms
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The cascading of windows from the task list puts the windows too close
together to be useful.  As soon as I change from one active window
to another, the windows get lost behind one another.  I'd like the
windows to be spread apart a bit more when being cascaded - say from
the upper left corner of the screen all the way down to the lower
right corner.  

I've tried tiling instead of cascading, but I don't like the tiled
look on my screen.  I've also tried a few public domain programs from
wuarchive for automatically laying out windows on the screen, but
these programs don't seem to be too robust.

Any suggestions?  Send replies to bburd@tarzan.drew.edu or to
bburd@drew.bitnet.  I'll collect replies and post them to this
newsgroup.  Thanks.
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From: u8515682@cc.uow.edu.au (Wayne Jefferson Doust)
Subject: Re: Windows Future
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:38:32 GMT

mikew@hpwarha.wal.hp.com (Michael Williams) writes:

>Personally, I welcome the development of an integrated Program and File
>Manager, but I see no technical reason that Microsoft couldn't retain

One of the big problems is that you have to store the icon info and
other info somewhere. You can't store them inside the dos programme
so you have to store them somewhere else. My guess is that MS is
consciously avoiding this problem to help the migration to windows
NT. To me thta would be a BIG drawcard - having only a system manager
or whatever that does the lot.

Wayne
From: vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: ET4000 video drivers!!  Help!
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:48:48 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

cjmarsha@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Charles Marshall) writes:

> Has anybody successfully gotten windows into a 1024x768x256 mode?  I can
> use Windows supplied VGA and SVGA drivers and ONE Tseng supplied VGA
> (640x480x16) driver.  What's going on? 
> 
> The zip files I tried using were TSG40627 (Win3.0 basically), W31ET4, and
> ET4_W31.  I'm using Win3.1 so the TSG40627 file was useless.  Actually,
> everything was useless.  Either I would get divide overflow errors or I
> would get (during installation) that a VGAxx.DRV could not be loaded.  I
> placed the DRV's in every conceivable location.  
> 
> I am trying to do this from a network - but so what?  It should still work.
> What's the word on getting more colors and higher resolution with TSENG
> ET4000 drivers?
> 
> Charles
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I'm using the VGA478S.DRV which, I believe, is 1024x768x256.  I'm running 
win 3.1 under that mode with absolutely no problem right now.  Hope this 
helps.  I think I got the driver in either of two latter files you 
mention.

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