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   From: 31he@gw.wmich.edu
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
   Date: 23 Jul 92 17:56:02 GMT
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   Hi:
	   I strongly disagree what Yunjing said about Zhou En lai, I don't think
   anyone could ever have the right just throw some irresponsible statements to
   such a great man. 

	   During the Culture Revolution, it is Mr. Zhou who tried his best to
   turn back the disaster caused by Mao and his followers. In order to do this, he 
   give up a lot of things, he suffer a lot of things, he risk a lot of dangers
   too. However, it is because of his effort, so many hign tech projects can still 
   keep running, so many high educated knowledgeble experts survived to contribute
   to the country. 

	   His unselfishness, his devotion to the contry, his altruism, his elgent 
   manner, his easygoing with ordinary people, his care to his people, his great 
   virtue, once gone and forever, he is still beloved by all of his people and
   admired by the whole world. 

	   I am sure what happent on June 4th is not what he want to see, and Li
   Peng's behavior is not his responsibility any more since he is an adult
   already. I don't think anyone could ever say something like this with no
   evidence to a great man like him again.


   Sincerely 
   Xiaoxia 



   In article <1992Jul19.213259.4627@gw.wmich.edu>, 31he@gw.wmich.edu writes:
   > Test
   > In article <JING.92Jul14231600@hobart.cs.umass.edu>, jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing) writes:
   >> 
   >> Hi Guys, 
   >> 
   >> Modern tradedy of China results from gang fighting each other without stopping.
   >> KMT, CCP, and the early dynasties all were examples except for the early of 
   >> Tang Dynasty. I hate any gang very much simply because the killing and fighting
   >> between gangs brought too much pain and lost to the Chinese people and China.
   >> 
   >> Any gang, whatever it is, always highlights the profit of the gang and never
   >> take any care of a country and the people in this country.
   >> 
   >> If it were true that Mr. Zhou didn't form his own gang, that definitely would
   >> be good for chinese people. But open your eyes to see the nowdays Chinese 
   >> Govornment. Can you believe the argument that he didn't form his gang ? He 
   >> made it before he died. Now you can see what members of Mr. Zhou Gang have 
   >> done: 6.4, killing, one after one new gang, too many GaoGan classes.
   >> 
   >> Does Mr Zhou really deserve so much respect from Chinese?
   >> 
   >> Good luck and sleep :-)
   >> 
   >> ********************* followed the below message ******************************
   >> 
   >> In article <2A6389DA.762@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
   >> 
   >>    Path: dime!nic.umass.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!usc!noiro.acs.uci.edu!yeh
   >>    From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
   >>    Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
   >>    Date: 15 Jul 92 02:13:46 GMT
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   >> 
   >>    yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) wrote:
   >> 
   >> 
   >>    +In article <1992Jul13.164851.4611@midway.uchicago.edu> shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi) writes:
   >>    +>In article <1992Jul13.155255.9260@ctr.columbia.edu> yjj@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
   >>    +>>In article <2A60F2BA.11989@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
   >>    +>>>
   >>    +>
   >>    +>I agree with Yuan Jiang that regional difference didn't play a big role. If
   >>    +>Zhou really had the ability to establish a JiangZhe Bang like Lao Jiang
   >>    +You got me wrong.  I believe that the regional gangs did play roles
   >>    +in the history.  I was critizing Shannon's saying that Zhou did not
   >>    +form a gang because he was from JiangZhe and people there do not
   >>    +form gangs.  The facts are that JiangZhe people do form gangs and
   >>    +that Zhou was not from JiangZhe (he was born there but raised up
   >>    +in TianJin receiving mostly western education).
   >> 
   >> 	   I would like to avoid this topic because you and I are not supposed to
   >> 	   argue until Mian(face)Hong(red)Er(ear)Ce(red).  But I would like to
   >> 	   tell you something encouraging:
   >> 
   >> 	     during our modern history, Mr. Kuai Dafu is the only JiangZhe guy
   >> 	     who successfully established his gang from a group of nation-wide
   >> 	     people.  The unfortunate side of this story is: during the 
   >> 	     Tun(united)Pai(gang) Wei(protection)Pai(gang) time, most of 
   >> 	     Kuai Dafu's enemy are from Jiangsu!!
   >> 
   >> 	   (Note: when Kuai Dafu was active, I was a little boy.  But one of
   >> 	   Kuai Dafu's "army-men", who was put into jail for 7 years after
   >> 	   culture revolution, is a best friend of mine.  So I gurantee the 
   >> 	   accuracy of the above information.)
   >> 
   >>    shannon
   >>    -------
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