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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Where/how to learn ninjitsu?
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:22:44 GMT

In article snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>I bought this ever so embarrassing paperback book once, Secret Ninja techniques
>of bojutsu.... written by a student of and with a forward by Stephen Hayes.
>The book doesn't have a single bo (if that is the correct word for the
>6 foot cudgel or staff) technique, but is entirely about jo (if that is
>the correct word for the 3 1/2 - 4' stick) techniques.

"Jo" is the right word for a 4 foot stick, but the techniques
you describe make me think the weapon in question is the hanbo,
or half bo.

>I bought the book after leafing through it and being impressed with a
>series of moves in which the ninja instructor :-) was standing still
>holding as a cane or walking stick in the natural and normal position
>for such a thing... the book detail various defenses
>to attacks such as, punch, kick, knife, stick, from this position.
>
>Most of these defenses involve as the first move, merely turning your
>wrist to pull the cane up till it is perpendicular with the ground
>and then stepping forward into a fairly deep front stance so that
>the point of the cane goes into the attacker's torso will all your
>weight behind it :-)   Anyway, I was very intrigued with this series
>of defenses, since that is the natural position to have a cane or walking
>stick in, time to deployment is very low (handy when you are surprised),
>and it is subtle as all get out.

I think I have recommended here before the "Techniques of
Self-Defense Stick Fighting" book by Masaaki Hatsumi and Quintin
Chambers.  It covers the various uses of the hanbo pretty
thoroughly.  No hooded wraiths on the cover or anything like
that, so nothing to be embarassed about ;-)  In the world I live
in, there are a lot more hanbo sized objects at hand than bo (or
even jo) sized objects, so I consider these techniques to be
very practical.  The other thing I noticed, after working my way
through the book with the help of some local ninjutsuka, was the
similarity between many of the ninjutsu hanbo techniques and the
the stick-augmented joint lock and control techniques we
practice in escrima.  I guess the human body and short impact
weapons can only be combined in just so many ways.  Or hey,
maybe ninjutsu is really Black Escrima brought to Japan in 2,000
B.C by wandering Fillipino monks, etc....
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Martial Artists
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:56:26 GMT

David Poore (poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu) wrote:
: \New Dave wrote:
: 
: >of fat and protein, usually will suppliment these for the many different
: >forms of "dofu", or tofu. Milk is subsituted with "dojong" (liquid dofu).
: 
: Better yet, get some current nutrion information, and learn about the
: protein myth promulgated by the Beef Industry. While the things \New
: Dave says are true (re: tofu being a good source of protein), we require
: much less protein in our diet than is usually reported. 
: 
: David Poore
: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

Protein needs are completely dependent on the level and type of activity
you perform.  I pump iron 3 days a week, and do karate 4 days a week.
From what I've read my intake of protein should be (and is) around 100
grams of usable protein a day.  A healthy, sedentary 30 year old male
probably can get by on 20 grams/day.  Any stress on the body will
require more, this includes illness, working out, mental stress, 
growth spurt, pregnancy, menstration, etc.

(most of this is from Power by Fred Hatfield, and Protein by ??? )

Dave S.
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Stoning was Re: Model Mugging (long)
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:04:53 GMT
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In article <1992Oct1.114013.3935@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41) writes:
>
>Beginner training:
>Instructor has balls, student facing them 15 - 20 feet away.  Instructor
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why can't this be taught by fema..  oh, never mind...

>kihaps and throws ball.  Student can block, dodge etc.  All other students
>collect the balls which GO EVERYWHERE :-)
>

-t.c.

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From: exudmsun@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Wong Fei Hung  - Fact or Fiction?
Summary: Horse (%#^#@!)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:57:04 GMT
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Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 24773@eng.umd.edu, doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
->
->	not only was he a real person, but he is still alive today.  he used to
->star in his own movies, a long time ago, and i would dearly love to get a
->hold of these.  i actually know someone who grew up on these, in canton and
->hong kong.

Hehehehehehe!

->	he did, in fact, practice Hung Gar, and was the hero that he is
->portrayed as, though not as flamboyant as the 'once upon a time in china'
->made him out to be.
->	he did have many chances to meet with all kinds of people, and the
->scene of him and yat sen sun, in the classroom, where he talks about chi,
->is based in fact.

Hohohohoho!->>

->>If you know, maybe you can direct me to the source of your knowledge.
->
->	i have read many books, and the guy who has actually seen the movies
->(with the *real* Wah Fei Hung)

YYYYYYiiiiiiiihhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuu



 is one of the proprietiers(sp?) of mr. huang's
->(a chinese and sushi resteraunt in laurel, maryland.... steve chan and dave
->pipes, among others, know the place.....  friday, as usual, guys?  at the bar!)

Ha! Movies???

IMHO: History is NOT far strung from reality, those who must be relying on movies, must be living in a fantasy world.

Doug, get the book out again, didn't you think that there might be at
least some HUNG GAR people out there? Your history is off, and I don't
know where your getting your facts.


->>
->>Kam. :-)
->>
->>P.S. How much of the HK movies depicting his life is true?
->

Only a documentary is 98% true.

/New Dave
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From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: the FAQ - The Answer
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:28:46 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct15.130051.142@ipact.com>, pals@ipact.com writes:
|> 
|> I think a robust FAQ, posted at least monthly, would really be useful.  A
|> lot of interested non-MA visit the group looking for basic info (IMHO).

How about a *weekly* post of where to find a robust FAQ.  I belive such
things can be automated (although I haven't the foggiest idea how)

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com

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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:26:33 GMT

In article robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>Are there any good books that explain and depict good combinations using cat
>>claws or sai?  I'd really appreciate it.  My cat claws are coming in the mail
>>in a couple weeks, and I've already made up a few of my own combos which I
>>think are excellent to use against non-MA's.
>
>Great.  Just what the martial arts community needs:  some sub-white belt buys
>an esoteric weapon mail order, goes and slices up a random non-martial-artist,
>and gets into all the papers.  Next thing you know, "Hard Copy" is doing one
>of their famous "expose's" about all the psycho-killer martial artists running
>around the countryside, and "appropriate" legislation is being introduced.
>
>Paranoia?  Well, consider that almost all "martial arts" weapons are already
>illegal here in the Golden State.

I'm not sure I know what "cat claws" are all about, but I second 
your paranoia.  Send the claws back, Sam.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: So happy (Dragons and such)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:50:38 GMT


hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn) writes:

>But there is a White Dragon Kung Fu style around, if you look long enough.

   
   If "you look long enough", there's probably a Porcelain Dragon style, 
   too, and maybe a Porcelain God one as well, if you look long enough.  
   There are nearly as many styles of kung fu as there are Chinese ;-)

   -- Ted --

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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Under Siege
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:48:50 GMT


	Oh yeah!  THAT'S what I forgot to mention...  the fighting was VERY
	sloppy.  Tha knife fight was quite bogus and he wasted a lot of time
	on one or two of the kills... but I guess it's not a perfect world.

	-Mr. Picayune
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From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Katanas and other Blades
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:02:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.180403.7865@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
(Mr. X) writes:

> In article <RCOULTER.92Oct3175534@stud.frc.ri.cmu.edu>
> rc2d@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (R. Craig Coulter) writes:
> >
> >I am looking for a book or series of books on the *manufacture* of
> >traditional Japanese blades. I am interested in the katana as well
> >as its less-famous cousins... I am interested in both modern
> >and older manufacturing techniques (I don't even know if there is a 
> >difference - I would guess that there is.) as I would like to become 
> >more proficient at judging quality in anticipation of purchasing a blade.
> 
> 	"The Art of the Japanese Sword" 

["Craft" not "Art" as you noted in a later post].

> 	 Yoshindo Yoshihara
> 	 (Weatherhill??)
> 
> 	 Good book.  And Yoshihara's blades are insanely well made.
> 
> 	"The Samurai Sword, a handbook"
> 	 John M. Yumoto
> 	 Charles Tuttle & Co., 1958

Yes, these are both pretty nice books.  I own both... :-)

> 	 Another good one.  In fact I see it as a kind of "standard" text.
> 	 Quite complete, though it could use some revision in the way of
>  	 illustrations, but it really is a very nice volmue to have.
> 
> 	"The Japanese Sword"
> 	 Donn F. Draeger
> 	 ?????

Haven't seen this one.

> 	By worth having, I mean properly fitted and capably of cutting without
> 	being damaged.  Appearances mean nothing to me as far as the merit of
> 	a combat weapon is concerned.  If you are thinking in terms of 

One of my friends bought one from a guy who buids them in his spare time
(I think it was around 500 bucks).  It looks nice, and he has used it for
cutting practice.  I've heard no complaints from him...

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
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Subject: Re: Most Common Attacks in "the street"?
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:36:17 GMT
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Organization: Sun Microsystems
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In article 134@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, shulick@blackfoot.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>In article <lduc8cINNn5g@west.west.sun.com> garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM writes:
>>	to break the circle, how to deal with multiple attackers, learn how to
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	dodge bullets.
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Excuse me?  What is this, Remo Williams?
>

Gee, that's white belt stuff in my art...It when you can kiai a nuke
out of the air that you are ready for brown...

OK, so it was a joke...sort of.

-Garth



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From: mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
	<1992Oct06.183135.3237@srg.srg.af.mil>
	<1992Oct10.215826.23566@athena.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:59:33 GMT

>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:58:26 GMT, ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross) said:

RAS> As a white person, I have to disagree.  I have qi's for every door at home and
RAS> at least 5 doors at the office - not to mention my car and bike lock.

RAS> 	Rich

I think Rich is confusing the Japanese pronunciation with the Chinese.
However, I do agree that white folks have plenty of qi's.

My favorite is cheddar and muenster qi's, though for self defense
purposes I prefer limburger.

In fact, my sources tell me that they rarely eat qi's in China,
contradicting Stephen's original statement.
--


Michael D. Hirsch		mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu    
Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771
From: eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Katori Shinto-ryu
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:30:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct8.90103.6227@ms.uky.edu>, cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles
Yeomans) wrote:
 

> >To my meager knowledge there are no formal Katori schools outside of Japan,
> >however there may be an individual or two hiding under a rock, here or there.


Interestingly enough, there is one formal Katori school outside of Japan. 
It lies in California.  I first posed the question about Katori because my
Aikido sensai belongs to the school, who is American.  He was asked to join
about a year ago, I think.  I may have the opportunity to be asked to join
also, so I wanted a little background data.  Actually, it's funny, but
there are more Katori students in U.S. than in Japan.

Eric
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:27:41 GMT
Subject: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts


I've been doing Judo recently for about a year and am about to go in for my
first Dan grading.  I haven't done any competitive fighting (apart from my 1st
Kyu grading six months ago which wasn't much) for about 16 years, and styles
have changed enormously.  One of the most obvious things is an undignified
scrabble for grip.

In my previous competitions we would take hold and then get on with the
competition, changing grip as we went.  Now there seems to be a lot of
handwaving as both competitors try desperately to stop the other getting any
hold at all.  This looks dreadful and really annoys me when someone does it to
me during practice. 

Is this just in England or do other countries have the same style? 

How do I get over this?  

When I first came across it I asked if the (quite heavy) knocking away of hands
was legal.  When I was told "yes" I thought I'd have a go at some good Karate
blocks to sort them out.  I did one brilliant block and found (to my horror)
that I had my reaction hand on my hip ready to punch the guy.  I didn't punch
him and decided that I'd better forget the Karate alltogether on a Judo mat.

My only serious strategy so far has been to ignore the flailing hands and act
like a tank, advancing on the person till I get some kind of hold and then
hanging on and not letting them get away again. 

This isn't much of a strategy.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I don't really
want to play the same silly game.  I just want to get on with the Judo.

Cheers

Brenda

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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Kimwaza - Black Dragon Kung Fu
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 OCT 92 16:26:54    


mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu writes...
> 
>Chinese Goju by 10th Dan Master Ron Van Clief.  Learn Master Van
>Clief's Chinese Goju System with these great tapes:
> 
>1.  Way Of The Black Dragon
> 
>2.  Chinese Goju Fundamentals & Self Defense
> 
>3.  Black Dragon "Up-Close," Ron Van Clief Interview & Movie
>    Fight Choreography

'The Black Dragon' is Ron's nickname, and that associated with his
own school.   I'd be very surprised to find that he mentions
Kimewaza in any of his materials, unless he refers to the 'Kime-waza'
in Kime-No-Kata or Shinken-Shobu-No-Kata, which are names for a standard
Judo kata (probably what that previous Judo book reference was
referring to as well).  

							todd
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
    <1992Oct08.142511.13948@srg.srg.af.mil> <1992Oct8.174009.12296@mtu.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:38:08 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Oct8.174009.12296@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct08.142511.13948@srg.srg.af.mil>, dpipes@spica.srg
>(Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>
>> In article <MARY.92Oct7084236@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM
>> (Mary Malmros) writes:
>> >
>> >In article <1992Oct7.054534.20638@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov
>> >(Richard Drury) writes:
>> >
>> >   In article jwalters@stsci.edu writes:
>> >   >In article schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>> >   >> 	Dave, you're just so knave.
>> >   >
>> >   >Uh, I think you meant naive.
>> >
>> >   Nah, he's just being rediculous.  [What *is* that tapping sound.]
>> >
>> >Listen jerk.  I'ts "reticulus".  
>> >
>> >tap tap tap.
>> 
>> Casting our net a bit wide, aren't we, Mary?  Well, I'm sure Stephen's next
>> cuttle amuse you, while others are floundering trying to decipher your pun.
>> 
>> And flamers, fear not - we'll soon have you eating crow, perhaps with a 
>> nice light chi sauce :-).  I guar-awn-tee it...:-)
>
>Ack! Ack! Ick!  So this is what you guys mean, when you tell us that your
>practices are *punishing*.  These fishy puns are scaling to new heights.
>So knock that carp off!  ;-)
>
>-- 
Isn't it about time to quit trouting out the same old jokes?

Charles Yeomans
cyeomans@ms.uky.edu
yeomans@austin.onu.edu
From: CHOI@NDSUVM1.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tae Kwon Do and the Kwans no more?
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:56:32 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Mr. Dakin Burdick writes:

    TKD itself is based on Shotokan Karate........

First, I don't know what the Shotokan Karaete is, and maybe, there is a possi-
billity that some forms from S.K. are incoporated in TKD, but I very doubt it,
very much.  Would you suggest any historical facts?
Who knows the S.K. is based on old Korean martial arts?
Just like Judo(Yudo), as far as I know, they have historical facts that it is
originated from Korean martial art, YuSool, art of softness, even though it
doesn't exist anymore.  It is too bad that I don't have the facts in my hands,
especially in North Dakota!  Maybe, you can check it with Korean martial-arts
historians if there are such ones.

Anyway, this is from what I know, heard, and read.
I really doubt it.
Have a nice day.


Sincerely,


Youngjun Choi
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From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: Katanas and other Blades 
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:22:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.145029.26508@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
(Mr. X) writes:

> In article <718209019snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk
> ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
> >P.S. If you really want to look at the subject in depth, there
> >are some papers on the metallurgy of the Japanese sword which
> >were published by the American Institute of Metallurgy.  I
> >recall reading these about twenty five years ago, and they were
> >fairly heavy going.  I am sure if you contact the Institute
> >they could tell you where to find them.

I'd also run across a section in a metallurgy book about Katanas, and
other Japanese swords ("A History of Metallurgy" I think was the name).
It discusses the properties of several well made swords.

> 	There are also several papers on a phenomenon called "super plasticity"
> 	that occurs in ultra high carbon tool steels (>2% C).  This phenomenon
> 	is readily observed during the manufacture of Japanese blades.  It
> 	is intimately tied to grain size.  After so many iterations of folding
> 	the steel back on itself, the grain structure is broken down into
> 	smaller and smaller sizes.  At some point, the steel becomes like
> 	taffy when at temperature.
> 
> 	When I was fiddling with forging HSS (high speed steel) blades, this
> 	property was immediately apparent.  In fact, the first blade of this

HSS is a pain in the butt.  Many of them are "air hardening".  This means it
will work harden on you, and the annealing process is tricky... Blech!

> 	type that I ever made was made from a HUGE Stellite blank (~2" square
> 	by about 6" long).  I was expecting to have a miserable time of it,
> 	but was surprised that the superplasticity was there from the start.
> 	The superfine grain size explains this.  HSS is WONDERFUL forging
> 	material, but once taken above transition, it is a BITCH to anneal.
> 	Has to do with the red heat properties of the steel.  So once the
> 	forging is done, the grinding is painfully slow and eats wheels like
> 	crazy.  I've never been able to successfully anneal HSS.

I'm planning to try something cheap like leaf spring steel.  It's reasonably
high-carbon, and if I wrap it around a piece of cold-rolled, you should get
a nice backbone.

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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From: h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu                    )
Subject: one to ten in korean
Supersedes: <1992Oct7.180848.8054@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: tamu
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:49:01 GMT

Sorry, I could not help but posting this, although I have nothing to do with
MA. Korea has a well-defined ordinal number system:
(Never mind about the actual correct pronounciations because I have no idea
how to let you know)

Chut-tsae(first), Dool-tsae(second), Set-tsae(third),...
Ahop-tsae(9th), Yol-tsae (10th)....etc.

You may have noticed that except "Chut" all others remind "Dool,...etc."
of the counting numbers, but that's how it works like in English:
three--->third.

-hs
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