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From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
Subject: Re: Tech Notes?
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:50:07 GMT

mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.183204.21562@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, kjs39186@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kent Squires) writes:
>> 
>> Does anybody know if new Tech Notes were released since System 6 came out?
>> If so, where can they be found?

>We are diligently working on many new Technical Notes for a hopeful
>(but not promised) May release.  The phrase "dozens and dozens" comes
>to mind.

>If you're expecting this to be "the 6.0 documentation," don't hold
>your breath.  The Technical Notes will not be the ERSs or the descriptions
>of all the new 6.0 features.  They will be the same kinds of subjects
>Technical Notes have always had.

>The official 6.0 documentation will be in some other form, and it
>will probably cost money.  People continually ask me to put large sections
>of various manuals into Technical Notes because TNs are free -- don't
>expect that to happen for 6.0 documentation.

Are the system 6.0 ERS's available anywhere other than on the system 6.0 CD?
(For instance on the Developer CD's or ftp.apple.com)  I don't mind the $10 I
pay for d e v e l o p and the CD that comes with it (wouldn't even mind $20 or 
$25) but I think $99 for the one CD is a little excessive.  Perhaps a package
could be made available containing just the 6.0 ERS's on floppy disk.

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: george@.endeavor.intel.com (George Rachor Jr. )
Subject: gif viewers with system 6?
Organization: Intel Corporation - Hillsboro, OR
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 05:46:29 GMT

Just got system 6 loaded.  Doesn't seem that any of the gif viewers I was
using work anymore.  Anyone else having this kind of trouble?

Thanks,

George

-- 

George Rachor Jr.
Intel Corporation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Subject: Re: ProLine and FutureVision Discussion
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:39:59 GMT

Daniel brings up a good point here, which we will hopefully all
undestand, and put these petty bickerings (a hallmark of this group) to
rest.

I've run the METAL demo, and it certainly looks to be worth everything
one would pay for it.  It looks like a good product.  No matter how
much one customer might praise his BBS over another, it won't detract
from the quality that each BBS embodies.  So all these nitpicky claims
and comparisons are really just bandwidth wasters.

You really have to give credit to anyone insane enough to spend lots
of time developing communications software for the Apple II.  Speaking
for myself, I do it out of a love for both the Apple II and
communications as a hobby.  But I really wonder where I might be today
had I started writing an integrated productivity package back in 1984,
put in just as much time as I have into ProLine, and marketed it to
the masses.
From: tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:45:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped Marc Sira's lips:
> 
> (I'm still getting used to launching an application by double-clicking on 
> the name label).

    Ack... I really don't like that "feature".  At first I thought it was
a bug, but the Finder 6.0 ERS says that was intentional.  If I want to
rename an icon, I will click on the filename.  If I want to launch an icon,
I will click on the icon.  I don't understand the reasoning behind the
change.  Make your icons bigger if you find it to difficult to home in on
with the mouse.  There should be a preference for that...

> than the System 3.1 LAUNCHER program, because it's a true desktop 
> application (access to NDAs and such - also better than MicroWings).

    You know, I hope Vitesse isn't too discouraged by System 6.  Looks
like MicroWings has been replaced with the standard Sys6 launcher, and
I like Archiver better than Salvation Backup!  Perhaps this will
encourage Vitesse to improve their product line.

> Marc Sira               |
> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Why are you always shaaaking yer eyeballs?"
> CI$ 70253,2574          '   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    A National Film Board of Canada lover, no doubt.  ;-)
-- 
Brian T. Tao    =*8-) | ::::::::> tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca <::::::::
Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:34:49 GMT
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <46156@dime.cs.umass.edu> gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle H. Gray) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.140212.4643@klaava.Helsinki.FI> cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
>
>>My drivers folder has both the SCSI.MANAGER and the RAMFAST.DRIVER, and
>>everything works fine (I have RamFAST rev. C). There are others on the
>>net that also say everything works (insofar as RamFAST is concerned,
>>anyway). You're not assuming they're lying?

	Actually, you should have either the Apple drivers (two files)
or the RamFAST driver and not both.  Or at least one set should be
inactive.  Having both active will cause problems.

>Has anyone thought of the possibility that it might be the _order_ in which
>the drivers load that is the problem?  In these messages, two people have very
>similar systems (at least as far as they're described), and one works, the
>other doesn't.  If you have the same files, the same hardware, what's left?
>The order of the files is the only thing I can think of.

	This reminds me of something I heard.  Somebody mentioned that
the RamFAST driver should be the first file in the drivers folder.  I
don't see what difference that will make, but if it works for some
people.

	The conclusion I drew from Tim Meekin's experience (Not the
software experience :) ) and from mine is that the Apple drivers won't
work with the RamFAST if you do not have DMA memory.  And the Apple
drivers work fine if you do have DMA memory.

>Lyle H. Gray                       Internet (personal): gray@cs.umass.edu

Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
America On_Line:  DWS Steve
Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dmfriend@iastate.edu (David M Friend)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Contest
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:40:09 GMT

I don't know if this qualifies, 'cause I don't own it, but I saw an original
Apple computer in its _wooden_ case when I was in a computer store in Chicago
once.  Well, I thought it was pretty neat! :)

Dave Friend
dmfriend@iastate.edu
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:15:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <m94siB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson) writes:
>[...]
>Okay, let me explain MY position on this whole "System 6 doesn't work, so 
>I'm going to throw a fit" deal:
>
>Basicaly, I find it a little unusal to have a major upgrade of an 
>operating system (note the major) and have my system puke on it.

*Part* of the problem is that your system is unusual in some unknown
way, since apparently everybody else with a RamFAST got it working
okay by taking out the redundant remapping.


The $65,535 question:  What is your RamFAST ROM version?


>What I have a problem with is that the upgrade should NOT have the 
>problems that it does have. In my eyes, an upgrade should fully support 
>the previous hardward and software that was in use before.

That would be great!  Unfortunately we only have a finite amount of
time, so we can't fix or even *discover* every problem before shipping,
since we can't test every possible hardware configuration.


>Now, I understand that not everyone at Apple doesn't have a RamFast (why, 
>I don't know - I would guess pride, but I'm pessimitic), but it's just 
>very ODD that with the HiSpeed SCSI card in, it works fine (goes in and 
>out of P8 okay), but with the RamFast in, it doesn't. (no, I'm not going 
>back to the HSSCSI).

Given that we can't use all configurations, we *definitely* have to be
sure the stuff works with the most popular configurations, especially
Apple-supported ones.

I'm sorry RamFAST owners are being inconvenienced, but most folks have
got their systems working fine by reconfiguring the remapping--whatever
is happening with *your* system must be something separate (which might
still be hitting you even if we *had* formally tested common RamFAST
configurations).
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: delaneyg@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: True Type Fonts
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:33:54 GMT

True type fonts can arrive in 2 forms:

1 The individulal fonts (only from system 7

2 in font suitecases
 a. as individual fonts

 b as a font family which may include regular, Bold, italic and or Bold Italic

This is most likely the differance.  The one I uploaded to Tybalt have all of
one family in a suitcase so that when you take them into POINTLESS you may
see as many as 4 fonts appear in the pointless menu.

Which brings up another point that Brain Tao brought to my attention (though
I have yet to find more that 2) some fonts have differant font numbers
on the mac for bold and regular.  This is a bit of a problem that can be
corrected with resed on the MAC.  Just be sure the font nunbers are the same
and theat the types are set correctly

Grant Delaney
delaneyg@wl.aecl.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Orca assembler weirdness
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:04:41 GMT

Hi,

what is LDA bar supposed to do? Or, the other way round: Did you _want_
to load the first two bytes of DP space or was what you intended rather
LDA #bar ? One does wonder ...

Soenke
From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston J. Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: synthLAB problem
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:30:03 CDT
Organization: Macrocosm BBS: 913-841-9446

In article <d574192@pro-applebcs.cts.com>, billc@pro-applebcs.UUCP 
(Bill Carver) writes:
>> >I simply cannot get synthLAB to launch.  I launch it from the finder
>> >and it loads a good ways, but then I get an off-gray (light) screen
>> >                             (or SOME strange colour ^)
>> 
> With 1 meg you cannot run system 6 and synthlab or many other programs unless
> you have installed just the replacement files for 5.04.  This means no
> sounds, no closeview, no easy access and the like.  Once you do an "easy

For the umteenth time, this is NOT true.  I ran System 6 for 3 days with 1 Meg 
of memory, several sounds, DTUtils, a pile of virtual DA's and TransProg.  I 
was able to run SynthLAB, AppleWorks GS, and many other programs.  Just don't 
boot to finder.  If you have TransProg, boot to the shell desktop application 
and launch from there, or use the Set Start Control Panel to set your startup 
to the Memory_Hog application you want to use.

In the mean time, start planning on budgeting for an extra 2 or more Megs of
memory.  It will save you a lot of grief in the long run.
-- 
| Preston Park |____________________________________________________________
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|The LAUG Apple II Development Group -A SIG of the Lawrence Apple Users Group|
|and Lawrence S.P.A.M. Society -Serious (Silly) Programmers of Apple Machines|
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GIF stuff...
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:38:51 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr17.051752.29887@crash.cts.com> lorend@pro-scat.cts.com (Loren Damewood) writes:
>Hmm, has anyone ever written a "MacBinary stripper" for the IIgs? Seems like
>it would be handy . . .  ;-)

I believe Jason Harper wrote a program called "MacDown" which did this.  At
least, I seem to remember such a program at about the same time I found IIGIF.

>ProLine:  lorend@pro-scat                 | Pro-SCAT 813-347-5104

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: x9999bns@oak.circa.ufl.edu (David Isaacson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:28:40 GMT
Reply-To: X9999BNS%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

In article <1992Apr6.143519.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>, blender@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I was wondering.....
>
>A few days ago, I was fiddling with my system disk, and deleted tool 34. Then I
>tried to run GSHK. 
>
>Consequently, Shrinkit bombed out (BTW, I'm glad to see that system 6
>automaticly catches bad tool calls, and says which toolset is missing), and
>GSOS tried to load the Finder.
>
>THEN the finder bombed out (still missing tool 34) and THEN a launcher program
>showed up. Just a nice little launcher, like what in the orgional Prodos 16.
>
>My question is, is this launcher available within applications, or is it just
>for when the finder bombs out? And would the guys from Apple consider making it
>available from every 16-bit application?
>
>Enquring minds REALLLY want to know!

If you hold down the open-apple key while booting, it goes to Start.


David Isaacson           VAX:  Fraenhawk@maple.circa.ufl.edu
                               X9999BNS@maple.circa.ufl.edu

                         Unix: fhawk@nerix.nerdc.ufl.edu
From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:17:52 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA


No, I don't think we are asking for miracles.... just for programs we
invested bucks into to continue working.... for example, The Print Shop...
a pretty simple program.... one which I, my wife, and kids love to use for
school, etc....

I tried launching a "patched" version - doesn't work....
I tried launching the version the program installs on my hd.... doesn't
work....
Only way now I can get it to run, is to boot from the floppy.... course,
now I have access problems with all my graphics, fonts, etc that were
stored on my hd under sys 5....

I tried everything, from a maxed out sys 6 to "bare bones, with everything
disabled" to no avail....

I even tried hardware mods.... from a maxed out sys with transwarp,
ramkeeper, 7 megs ram to "bare bones" with 1.25 meg.... to no avail....

(the weird thing is, once in a GREAT while, the blasted thing will launch,
after have run other programs and returning to the finder... but I find it
impossible to duplicate)

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.... we use PSGS around here
too much to abandon it, so I might hafta go back to sys 5....

----
ProLine:  bslog@pro-scat
Internet: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-scat!bslog
From: william@pvcs.pvamu.edu (Devine, William Charles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Applenet bbs program
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:02:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


    Hi!  I'm looking for the new version of the Applenet bbs system.
I know where the old 1.0 version is and it is nothing compared to the
features available on the 1.4 and 1.5 versions...i have a friend about
75 miles away who is trying it out and he says its AWESOME!!!!
   Could anyone point me to an ftp site that carries it or something
similair where i could ftp it from? or a bitnet server to send it to me?
anyone????????

thanx in advance!!!
                          Whiz Kid
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From: mccla_d@penda.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: RE: Wanted: MACOS BBS Operating System
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:43:01 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

tcaptain@bluemoon says:

> MACOS is not a legal program.


Au contrare, mon Capitan. It's perfectly legal as long as you also own a legal
copy of ACOS. Lance made this clear in order to get the Fido mailer for GBBS
available. Of course, you *can't* distribute ACOS. This means that PEPSI can 
be distributes, but it can only be legally used by registered owners of ACOS/
GBBS, a slightly restricted range of subjects to try to induce to use Pepsi.
From: sjordan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Jordan)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:21:33 GMT
Subject: Help: sys6 & Appleworks GS 1.0v2
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2

I tryed using Appleworks GS version 1.0v2 with system 6 and discovered
that modules won't load.  The program launches ok, but when I actually
select a module (word proc, spreadsheet, graphics, etc.), I get a message
such as: "Unable to load word processor module."  Everything works fine
with system 5.02.  I've tried using the preconfigured 3.5 sys6 boot disk I 
just FTP'ed from apple.com, as well as installing sys6 on my hard disk.
My GS is ROM01 with 5M RAM, so I couldn't be running out of memory.  No DA's
or anything else added.  Maybe I need to update AWGS to the latest revision?
It would be nice if the software said WHY it couldn't load the module!
Suggestions??  Anyone else tryed using this old rev of AWGS with sys6?
From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ProSel a& System 6
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:24:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T

I have not seen any mention of a ProSel update for system 6.
Have I missed it?

In the past Glen has not allowed changes in the seasons to pass
without an upgrade (and the accompanying $10). What is the story
this time?

(It turns out that from my perspective that Glen and Mike are in a
race for my update dollars. Since Glen had the head start from
early Merlin days he is still in the lead, however, Mike is
gaining by leaps and bounds since Roger Wagner has embraced
HyperStudio and forgotten who danced with him early on.)

-- 


				Joe Walters att!ihlpw!bird   
				IH 2A-227 (708) 979-9527
From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston J. Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ir2
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:28:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: kuhub.1992Apr12.092826.39263
Organization: Macrocosm BBS: 913-841-9446

In article <1992Apr10.183325.4944@uwm.edu>, greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:
> Matt, everything unpacked OK, but when I try to reboot with IR in the
> system.setup folder, I get a system setup error $1104. Has anyone else had
> this problem, or did I somehow manage to corrupt the file?

I picked up IR2 and loaded into memory with Desktop Utilities and it worked
just peachy.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work the other way around (you can't
load DU with IR2).  I have IR2 loaded up now and it works just fine for me.

That's a good next project for the A2 guys though.  We could use a holistic
mind-reader key equivalent that causes only the DAs and INITs you don't want
to load not to load, even if you press the wrong key and don't actually know
you don't want to load them at the time.
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From: dlw@falcon.bcm.tmc.edu (David Louis Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Why no Small C?
Date: 7 Apr 1992 15:10:45 GMT
	<jpenne.702654195@ee.ualberta.ca>
Organization: /home/swift/dlw/.organization
In-reply-to: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca's message of 7 Apr 1992 13:43:15 GMT

In article <jpenne.702654195@ee.ualberta.ca> jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner) writes:
   mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning) writes:

   >Well, actually, since the printf() function is so complex, I thought
   >that there would be sub-functions which dealt with each of the needed
   >parts (ints, chars, floats, strings, etc....).  In this way the function
   >is passed the pointer to where the string resides, the function decides
   >ahead of time which of the lower level sub-functions are needed, alters
   >the linker to this, and only loads in those sections which are required.
   >Thus the number of bytes are greatly reduced since those sub-functions
   >not required are ever loaded.

   That's a cool idea, but it's kind of hard for the function to be run
   at compile time to check which routine it needs loaded.  C compilers
   just don't allow for this.  printf() is treated just like any other
   function you might dream of coding up.  (Function as in C functions,
   not as in mathematical functions).

The Microsoft C compiler on MS-DOS is reported to do this.  It scans the
variables you pass to printf(), if it doesn't find any floats then it
links a version of printf() without floating point code.  It saves some code
and cpu if you don't use floats and I hardly ever use floats.  You can mess it
up by passing a float specifier as part of the format but without any
float variables after the format.
--
----
David Williams
dlw@cmb.bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sysadm@pro-cajun.cts.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Backup II v2.0
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:21:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr12.112156.6034
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

Since the release of ProDOS 2.0.1 and the allowing of more than 2
partitions per slot, I've taken out the extra SCSI card and hooked my
Syquest to the back of my 60mb drive in slot 7.  ProDOS remaps the extra 2
partitions to S4.1 and S4.2, but Backup II v2.0 by Branche, et al doesn't
accept S4.1 as a valid device to backup to, any ideas?

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  << 186,000 miles per second, it's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! >>
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: origin of "slinky" card name
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:55:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <32054@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown Matt) writes:
>[...]
>A2.RAM.CARD is the "slinky" RAM card driver.  (I never figured
>out why it's called slinky.. Was that an Apple code name that leaked, like
>Cortland??)

I don't know if it was ever a code name, but it's "slinky" because bytes
on the card are accessed sequentally (by repeatedly reading or writing a
special "port" location, with the card automatically incrementing its
address counter), somewhat like a slinky moving down some stairs one at
a time.
-- 
David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.