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From: klf@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (karen.l.fenton)
Subject: Modern Times
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:58:46 GMT
Keywords: any descendants?


Here's a long shot:

My son, the history major, is doing a major paper
on the Modern Times community (commune?) that existed for
a brief time in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York around
the 1850s. (We believe the physical site is currently incorporated
within the city of Brentwood.)

Do any correspondents of this group know of ancestors who
were residents of this community?
Apparently there is little *if any* documentation about
this group, other than secondary references and (supposedly)
a sketchy pencil-written "history" in the county court house.

One step my son has taken is to pore over the 1850 census
records for Suffolk County, looking for a large 
group of neighbors who were born in other places.
He's located the group (and when I get a copy, I'll
post the names for you all) but, of course, how does
one determine the boundaries?? 

If anyone has a connection here, I'd love to be able
to pass on anything you might be able to offer - from
names to family history/anecdotes/legends....etc.
Since so little exists on the subject, his work may have
some value beyond the usual college thesis. I'll be following
this closely to watch for any information which may be useful 
to this news group.

And thanks in advance for any help!

Karen Fenton
att!wmsa!klf

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:16:00 CDT
From:         Gary Merrill <EYSTEIN@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Swiss Moravian Ancestry

I would like to hear from anyone researching Moravians in Lancaster
County PA, especially families orig. in Switzerland. The particular
family of interest is GOEPFERT (now KEPFORD?): George Goepfert b 1721
in Merishausen, Canton Schaffhausen, d 1774 in Mount Joy Township,
Lancaster Co, PA, and wife Elizabeth BRODBECK ("Brodbeckin"); married
in 1742 (in PA?). They attended the Moravian Gemeinhaus at Mountjoy
(alias Donnegal), and are buried in the Moravian cemetery near Milton
Grove, PA. George Goepfert was the son of Johannes Goepfert (b 1699)
and Anna DAMER ("Damerin"). Anna was born in Mutenz, Canton Basle.

George and Elizabeth became Moravians after coming to America.
Would like to compare notes, sources, etc regarding this group,
circumstances of immigration to America, etc.

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:54:37 CDT
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      GENEALOG: New File, samowens
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NoDak.EDU

get genealog samowens		Samuel Owens Family History

This 27776 byte ASCII file is available now on GENEALOG.

Contains : Family History File about Samuel Owens of VA and East Tn, with
index of all names in the file.  Lots of OWENS and TURNER
surnames.

The following is a listing of surname which are in this file:

Aaron Armstrong Baker Bettis Bloomer Bragg Burgess Caplin Carter Cate
Cockrum Collins Corban Cox Curry Curtis Dickey Elrod Foster French Gildard
Graham Heflin Howard Humphries Jenkins Johnson Jones Lamb Long Manes Manis
Maples McDaniel Miller Owens Payne Rader Rodgers Ruth Sams Schmidt
St. Pierre Strangler Tiblier Turner Underwood Walker Walton Wollam Wooten

This file may be requested by sending a message to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu
and only the following one-line of text

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:55:00 MST
From:         MARLEYT@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Naturalization locations

Na as far as i know just stands for Naturalized Application
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:49:22 PDT
From:         Karen Isaacson <karen%monty@RAND.ORG>
Subject:      Re: HPGL Ahnentafel
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Comments: cc: WOLFGANG@izfm.fertigungstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de
              15 Apr 92 16:52:23 T. <9204151501.AA13435@rand.org>

Hi Wolfgang,

I can't answer your question, but am curious: what _is_ HPGL format?

Karen in Southern California
karen@rand.org
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:17:29 EST
From:         Business Group <JOHNSON@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Evans

Fred,

Please check your book for Evans possibly from Kentucky.

My GGGgrandfathers name is Gus or Agustus Evans.

Thanks,
Larry
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:01:24 PDT
From:         Karen Isaacson <karen%monty@RAND.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Where we are all coming from
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              15 Apr 92 09:39:15 CDT. <9204151457.AA13337@rand.org>

Hi all,

Like Richard and Dorothy said, it _would_ be interesting to include
some info when you sign off -- especially your name and e-mail address
(not everyone receives these messages with the headers intact), but
also, if you like, where it is you hang your hat.

Let's NOT all send in notes today saying "Hi, I'm Karen and I'm in
California!"  OK, guys?  Just do it the next time you post???

By the way, I'm Karen and I'm in California.  :-)

Karen
karen@rand.org
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:08:00 EDT
From:         KESTER@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Another Chicago Research Question

Callie - Chicago is the location of the Federal Archives and Records
Center for the Midwest.  It serves IL, IN, MI, MN, OH, and WI.
Address:  7358 S. Pulaski Road, Chicago, IL  60629.  Tel:  312-253-0161.
Hours:  8:00am-4:30pm  Mon-Fri.(I think I read recently they plan to
have extended hours)
Thanks for commenting on the recent spellings of cemetery.  I always
remember how my eighth grade nun helped our class with that word:  She
said, "There is all "ease" in a cemetery".
Have a good day.                     Jo Kester
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:05:00 EST
From:         "Roger W. Ehrich" <EHRICH@VTCS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Birth Places

...and now you know why genealogy programs have both birth and baptismal
records.  For older generations the two locations are generally
different.  If you get a birth date out of a church register, unless you
have specific information, you leave the place of birth blank and enter
the church location into the baptismal record.  It is important not to
fabricate information for which you do not have evidence; others to
follow will propagate any errors that are so generated.

==============================================================================
Roger W. Ehrich, CS Department, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061
BITNET:    ehrich@vtcs1
INTERNET:  ehrich@vtcs1.cs.vt.edu
VOICE:     (703) 231 5420
FAX:       (703) 231 6075

Researching: DOCKTER, FIEDLER, LANDENBERGER, MERKEL, NUSS, PLEINIS,
             RATHKE, ROSIN, SCHLAHT, STANGL, WEISGRAM
From: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Ship Arrivals - found them listed, now what?
Keywords: ships arrivals
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:59:37 GMT
Reply-To: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu
Organization: Mississippi State University

I recently found my GGGGrandparents listed in one of the Germans to America books.
It lists the name of the ship, when it arrived (in New York) and where it came from
(Southhampton and Hamburg).  For the people it lists name, age, relation and 
occupation.

Ship : Bavaria
Arrived: Feb 8, 1866

What else can I find out?

Can I find out when it left Hamburg?, When it left Southhampton?
Where the people came from?
Can I get a copy of the original Manifest?  (Do I want one?)

The family I'm interested in is listed as Husband, wife, son, and laborer.
The laborer is listed as having the same last name, and is about half way between the
father and the son in age. Am I correct in assuming it's probably a cousin/nephew/uncle
and not an older son?

Mark
mrr1@isis.msstate.edu
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:43:00 +0100
From:         "Borja Torn" <toron@CCUCVX.UNICAN.ES>
Subject:      Re: Any europeans on soc.roots?

I'm in Santander, in the north of Spain... another european!!!

Borja Toron Antons
Univ. de Cantabria
Santander, SPAIN
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:24:13 EDT
From:         botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU
Subject:      Richmond, Virginia info?
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I plan to be in Richmond, Virginia for several days at the end of
this month, and would like to spend some time at the state library
and other genealogical sources.  I would appreciate any suggestions
on resources, places to stay/eat, etc.  I have the LDS outline and
the vital records list.  I'll make a file of replies in case anyone
wants it.  aTdHvAaNnKcSe!

Carol Botteron          botteron@bu-it.bu.edu
From: thomase@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Thomas Stan England)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Ads for "your last name" products.
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:15:33 GMT
Reply-To: thomase@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Apr14.130822.28832@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> klein@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles A Klein) writes:
>
>  Recently I received a catalog featuring sweatshirts that have
>Klein Biergarten  on them.  Since my name is Klein I first thought it was
>a coincidence but now I'm not sure. (In fine print the catalog says
>that there is no such place.)  Several days later I got an advertisement
>for the Klein family Visa card.  Have other people received ads
>for products with their last name?  Is marketing able to make custom
>catalogs like this?
>
>Chuck Klein
>klein@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu

I would be interested in knowing more about the company. Can you post
the name, address, phone?

Thanks,

Stan England




Tektronix Customer Support Center
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:34:00 CET
From:         Maarten Ouwehand +31 71 276948/27692
              <CRISMO@RULMVS.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
Subject:      Re: Any europeans on soc.roots?

> Since I live in Europe (The Netherlands) I would like to ask:
> are there any europeans on this newsgroup?
>

Well... I'm more or less your neighbour ;-)
> Jos de Kloe.

Maarten Ouwehand
Leiden University
The Netherlands !!!
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:17:07 -0500
From:         Alan Sutter <Alan@ACAD.FANDM.EDU>
Subject:      Looking for Sutter in Switzerland
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I'm looking for information on Sutter's from Switzerland (the town
Bretswil, canton Basiland in particular) from the 1700's.  I have a record
of a Heinrich Sutter born 16 Jan 1762 who married Anna Maria Thommen on 19
Feb 1788.

Also any information on the ancestors and decendants of General John
Augustus Sutter (of gold rush fame) would also be useful.  I believe that
he also came the town of Bretswil, Switzerland

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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:31:00 EST
From:         FAC_DBOYDRUS@JMUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: :CEMETARY

Perhaps you would post Gale's address and phone number so that he could be
contacted directly by those interested in pursuing the cemetery software with
him
directly.
Dorothy
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:27:00 CDT
From:         Gary Merrill <EYSTEIN@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      NY Adoptions

Jack Wallace (ae299@cleveland.freenet.edu) writes about access
to records of adoption in New York State. My wife's great
grandmother was adopted. She was born in upstate NY in the
1850s. In those less complicated days, such things were
matters of public knowledge, but sometime between then and now
it was decided that it should be kept secret. In the court
record books all of the entries recording the birth of children
who were subsequently adopted have been obliterated. In every
case, a box was drawn around the name, and then filled in with
**heavy** black ink. However, from the back of the page, against
the strong light from a (convenient) gooseneck lamp, many of
the names were faintly visible. Unfortunately, there was no
record that fit the known circumstances, but it was like a
real spy thriller, expecting at any moment to feel the grip of a
heavy hand on my shoulder.

Surely now that both the natural and the adoptive parents (and
even the adoptee herself) are long dead, there is no reason to
keep this information secret. But how tragic that in cases
like this (and I've seen the same practice in courthouses in
Massachusetts) the information is not just unavailable, but may
simply be gone. Is it possible that x-ray photography would show up
the writing underneath, since this is used in museums to detect
original brush strokes in paintings which have been painted over?

I am fortunate that although my father was adopted, the facts were
known, and I never had to go through what so many have to. When
I went to the courthouse and asked for a copy of his adoption
certificate, the clerk took me to one side and whispered, "Well,
I don't know why I shouldn't let you have it, since you have the
the information already"!

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From: randyo@microsoft.com (Randy Orrison)
Subject: Name changes...
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:27:18 GMT
Organization: None at all, at the moment

According to an article in a history book a cousin of mine found, our
g-g-grand-mother was named Matilda Ehlers and came over from Germany
with her parents.  She was married in 1866 to a man who was born in
1843, so her birth date is probably close to that.  I looked through
Germans To America and the closest match to this that I could find was
the following family:

    Joh. Ehlert, age 47, Peasant
    Christine,   age 55, wife
    Mathilde,    age 11, daughter

who came over on the ship Ann S. Lizzy from Hamburg to New York and
arrived on Jul 7, 1851.

Do you think that this Mathilde Ehlert is likely to be my Matilda Ehlers
(is the Ehlert -> Ehlers a resonable name change?), and does anyone have
any idea what the Joh. stands for (my guess is Johann).

Where would I go from here to trace these people farther back?  Would
there be some other records that would give their origin in more detail
than just Germany?  (Which is all that Germans to America gives.)

Thanks for any help at all!

    -randy

[Also researching Orrisons anywhere any time, Aumock (1833 OH), Gheen
(1804 VA), Casson (England), Dreeke/Dreke/Drake (1837 Germany - present
MN and NJ), Dunne (England), Freshour, Seekamp (1843 Germany - 1880 MN)]

-- 
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"I'm prepared for all emergencies but totally unprepared for everyday life."
From: dko@cs.wisc.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Anonymous FTP (was Re: help)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:55:23 GMT
Reply-To: dko@cs.wisc.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sciences, University of Wisconsin

In article <ROOTS-L%92040523062017@VM1.NODAK.EDU>, Me <BIHINKLE@ECUVM1.BITNET> writes:
|>     A computer illiterate needs assistance.  What does it mean when you can log
|>  on to something "anonymous FTP" ?  What does FTP stand for, and how exactly do
|>  I log on to something like that?

FTP stands for File Transfer Protocol.  It is a protocol that is commonly used
when transfering files (hence its name) between two machines that are both
support TCP/IP.  For example, if I am currently logged into milhouse.cs.wisc.edu
and I want to get the file 'myfile' from my account on felix.engin.umich.edu,
I would run a program called ftp, tell it I want to contact felix.engin.umich.edu,
give it my account name and password, and then tell it to get the file 'myfile'.
The session might look similar to the following:

% ftp felix.engin.umich.edu
Connected to felix.engin.umich.edu.
220 felix.engin.umich.edu FTP server (SunOS 4.1) ready.
Name (felix.engin.umich.edu:dko): olsend
331 Password required for olsend.
Password:
230 User olsend logged in.
ftp> get myfile
200 PORT command successful.
150 ASCII data connection for myfile (128.105.2.193,1634) (4054 bytes).
226 ASCII Transfer complete.
local: myfile remote: myfile
4156 bytes received in 0.31 seconds (13 Kbytes/s)
ftp> quit
221 Goodbye.
% 

Normally, you have to have an account on the remote machine.  But some places
set up what is called Anonymous FTP.  This allows anyone to FTP certain files,
whether they have an account or not.  When asked for an account name, enter
'anonymous', and then enter anything for the password.

I you are on a UNIX system, read the man page for ftp (with the command
'man ftp') for more details.  The person who originally asked the question
has a BITNET address.  FTP was invented for use on ARPANET and has become 
common on the Internet, but I don't know if FTP is available at all from BITNET
machines, and if it is, I don't know how.  I will leave that question to
someone actually on BITNET.

-- 
David Olsen			University of Wisconsin - Madison
dko@cs.wisc.edu			Department of Computer Sciences
From: scott@ferrari.LABS.TEK.COM (Scott Huddleston)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: net etiquette
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:03:25 GMT
Reply-To: scott@crl.labs.tek.com
Organization: Computer Research Laboratory, Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton OR

Folks,

Please remember that every message to soc.roots and roots-l goes to
hundreds of individual mailboxes and thousands of sites via news.  If
your posting or message is of general interest, fine.  But if it's for
just one person, use the global broadcast resources of soc.roots and
roots-l only as a last resort, and then limit yourself to "Pat, how do
I reach you" messages.  If Pat (hypothetical) still can't or doesn't
give you a valid way to reach him/her, forgot it.  Pat should include
email address and/or paper mail address and/or phone in his/her first
or second posting.  If he/she doesn't, don't broadcast your info to
hundreds or thousands of uninterested parties.

If you have a large message or a binary file for one person, use email
or ftp or don't send it.  If several people are interested, make it
available in an ftp or listserv site and announce its availability.
--
Scott Huddleston
scott@crl.labs.tek.com
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:07:00 EDT
From:         MCADAMS@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Salina, Ohio

Mary,   There is a Sabina, Ohio and a Celina, Ohio, but there is not a
Salina, Ohio.  Celina is the county seat of Marcer, Co. and Sabina is a
samll town in Clinton County, Ohio.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:25:58 EDT
From:         jackie kinder <ILIBP02@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Roanoke Historical Society Journal

I recently received an interlibrary loan photocopy of an article from the
Roanoke Historical Society Journal.  Vol. 7 no. 1 entitled The Great Flood
of 1749 by Klaus Wust.  However, the copy sent to me ends with page 4 and
I am trying to find out if that is actually the end of the article, since
it seems to be unfinished when reading it.  If anyone has this journal and
article, I'd appreciate hearing from you and would gladly pay for any
additional pages, if indeed there are any.  thanks.
                                                   jackie
From: nms@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (n.m.scribner)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Descendent Charts SW??
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:51:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

I am looking for advice on how to produce graphical descendent charts
on a postscript laser printer.  I am a novice user of genealogical
shareware on a MAC, but an experienced programmer.  My impression from
playing around with several HyperCard shareware packages and reading the
postings in this interest group is that most packages will print out
ASCII character based renderings of descendent charts and many will
produce simple PC graphic renderings.  I have also seen mention of
methods to create input for outlining programs like "MORE" and
speculations about providing input for drawing programs.

I would prefer not to spend lots of money on SW.  What's the
state of the art ?
Thanks for advice in advance.

Neal Scribner 
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