From: jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: To those pro-Shen Tong guys
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:21:24 GMT
	<1992Sep7.125620.3316@ducvax.auburn.edu>
	<1992Sep7.224350.1721@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: guang@ucbeh.san.uc.edu's message of 8 Sep 92 03:43:50 GMT


Personally, I partially agree with guang@ucbeh.san.uc.edu. since I had the same
experience as he. I experienced 89 movement from its beginning to two years 
after TAM masscre. At that time all student leaders should go aborad by any
means I think. 

Today after three years, I don't think that ST's action is good. First of all
I don't think that ST is coward or brave. In some sense ST's action is stupid.
It seems to me that he don't know China well. If we still expect that some
big man brings D to China, we are definitely wrong. If everyone speaks, 
behaves himself in D-way, China will be democratic whatever CCP/CG does. 

On the other hands, I do believe that there are a lot of D-fighters in China
after 6.4. If ST can do what he had done during his stay in Beijing, these
D-fighters (in China not in U.S.) must can do the same thing in a smarter way
since they know China better than those who stay in U.S.

ST may be mature in politics but he is very unmature in China society. As a
common Chinese student, I concern the fate of ST and other two young men. I 
hope that all three of them can be released ASAP but not just ST. I think
you know what I mean.

There is no explicit boundary between courage and stupidity. Be careful and
responsible and reasonable and acceptable.

The above post is going to follow up the below.

In article <1992Sep7.224350.1721@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> guang@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

   ...> Beijing. Those killed by the CCP, their blood remains on the TAM square, those
   > are very clean, very grorious blood. However CCP tried every mean to clean up
   > those blood, they remained grorious and clean there. HOWEVER, in these three
   > years those "d-fighters" did something that the CCP are unable to do: they
   > contaminated those blood, they made those grorious blood dirty! How sad!!!
   > 
   > --HAMLET

   What you said was very sensible and I like the part that you admired his
   courage.  I am not involved at all in all these D-fighters' craps, but what
   really breaks my heart is that I am stunned by so many people who for some
   reason think or imply that Shen Tong (or maybe anyone else) just deserves
   somehow to be put in jail.  This evil-side of my co-fellow students strikes 
   me just as much as the news itself.  Why does everything have to be a game? 
   I might be too naive to say this, but does it cross anyone's mind that 
   HOW the hell the "Admerican Advisor" could get Shen Tong out of CHINESE
   jail?  How?  I'd like to hear it.  Shen Tong may not have thought all the
   risks he took, but honestly I do admire this guy's guts (despite everything).

   I actually experienced the crackdown in Beijing three years ago.  And I
   know I'll never forget all those days along with the fears and frustrations.
   Some people said that if ST was really courageous, he should have stayed
   in Beijing in the first place in 1989, and hey, I think that's really
   bull-shit, pure and simple.  Whatever he (or "D-fighters") did here, does
   not qualify him to be imprisonned in Beijing.  So anyone who says he
   deserves it, die scum, just die.  And I actually think that it's them,
   those cruel, evil-minded people who are the real danger of both China and
   the country they choose to stay.

   Guang Yang (yangg@acfcluster.NYU.edu)         on my old account
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