From: ivan@staff.tc.umn.edu (Ivan W. Hyde)
Subject: Re: MN Raves...
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:05:07 GMT


walt@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Walter Sauerbier)
		or
arnim@leghorn.cs.umn.edu (Arnim Sauerbier) writes:
[...stuff deleted...]
>Greetings alt.ravers,

>   A few nights ago I looked-up the Twin Cities dance ordinances.  Most
>of them were drafted in 1923(!) and were re-enacted 1971.  They are (IHMO) 
>incredibly restrictive/totalitarian/faschistic.  I wish I'd copied them
>down verbatim, but among other idiocies they stipulate that:

>	- No dance be allowed to continue past 1:00 am;  
>	  Marathon dances are expressly prohibited.
>	- No dance be allowed to continue in which people dance in 
>	  a lewd or boisterous manner, or in which intoxicated people 
>	  are dancing.
>	- All dances must have at least one police officer in attendance.

>   From the above, it is evident that:

>	A: The City of Minneapolis is doomed to have a less than stellar 
>	   aboveground dance-scene. (although 1st Ave is sometimes decent) 
>		-and-
>	B: Any event worthy of the name "Rave" must be an extralegal affair.  

>Therefore, it sickens me to see ivan@epx.cis.umn.edu post (and I quote)
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>when the organizers of his events have happily conformed to the afore-
>mentioned 70-year old scandinavian prudery. The whole thing _reeks_ of 
>wannabe jump-on-the-bandwagon commercialism.  
>	Raves do NOT end at 1:00 AM.  Raves are NOT held in cheezy teeny-
>bopper top-40 clubs like "After the Goldrush". And lastly, raves shouldn't
>be advertised all over the local papers weeks in advance.  No other local
>club has had the gall to call their techno-night "A Rave", even though many
>prior events were more worthy of the title.  Not even local techno-god 
>Kevin Cole (of "Depth Probe" fame) used the label for his events because 
>_not_even_they_ could do it justice. 
> 
	I will definately have to agree with you that the RAVE scene in
Minneapolis is handling a definate setback, due to the outdated dance
ordinances. And there is definately a large amount of commercialism in the
Twin Cities area... using the word RAVE as an advertising tool rather than
a state of mind. I will also agree that the "RAVEs" at 'After the Gold
Rush' (from my experience) have no business using the word RAVE for their
advertisments.

>	Ivan, I'd like to know what your connections to the organizers of 
>these 'Raves' are and whether your posts/advertisements are motivated by a 
>genuine interest in the music or by some kind of kickback.  I seem to re-
>member that just a few months ago, the only station you played in the math 
>terminal room was Hard-Rockin 93X, n'est-ce pas? 
>		
	I have absolutely no connections with any of the organizers of any
of these events. The postings I make are either events passed on to me by
someone on the MN RAVE list or something found by another source
(newspapers, flyers, mailings, etc;). I personally do not see how my
interest in the music has any relavance to my interest in assembling a list
of local people who are interested in raving. But I will say that I have no
less love for techno music than I do for 'Hard-Rockin' tunez! :)
 
>	I originally wrote this as private email to Ivan, but I'm posting it
>because all this pseudo-ravery deserves some debate, and because I'd hate to 
>hear that a carload of people drove 350 miles from Hicksville, South Dakota  
>under the impression that they were going to the real thing.
>	
	I also, wouldn't want something like this to happen which is why I
noted that I had been to one of the "raves" at 'After the Gold Rush' and
was dissappointed and weren't sure they should be called raves.

	Anyway I would like to point out that the RAVE scene in Minnesota
is relatively young, and seems to be (as noted) taking on quite a
commercial interest. I am looking forward to seeing if as the progression
continues... the RAVES will start to take form and become what we are
looking for. Hopefully as time passes, and interest increases we will see
the scene develop into what it has in other areas of the country.

	Ivan

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