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From: ameen@swi.psy.uva.nl (Ameen Abu-Hanna)
Subject: Re: How obtain songs from ftp-sites?
Keywords: guitar, tab, song, ftp
Organization: Social Science Informatics, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:48:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.104306.11031@eua.ericsson.se> euakan@eua.ericsson.se (Theo Kanter) writes:
>For some time ago there was an article that appeared containing an 
>instruction on how to log on to an ftp-site and require a specific song. 
>Would anyone be so kind and repost this article or explain the procedure.
>I would also be grateful if you could include adresses of ftp-sites. 
>
>Many thanks in advance, 
>
>Theo Kanter

(I've posted this some time ago, but there are still many requests about
ftp. Look for the FAQ of this newsgroup).
------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you want to ftp to nevada, you should do the following:

ftp ftp.nevada.edu
Login as "anonymous" (thus don't press directly return when the system asks for
your account), then give your password as your address (e.g.,
"guitarman@blues_city.music_land"). You get the ">ftp" prompt,
type "?" for the ftp commands. you can get the "README" file by typing
"get README", then goto the /pub/guitar directory (>ftp cd /pub/guitar,
hey don't type the ">ftp" it is just the prompt;-)),
I suggest you get the README file of this directory (>ftp get README, note
that this will overwrite any file with this name in your local directory, you
can type in a new filename to save it elsewhere:
">ftp get README README_guitar").

The following tips are helpful:

* Use the "mls" command at some directory, this will get you the directory
listing or get the INDEX file!
(>ftp get INDEX) it includes the contents of the
/pub/guitar directory and all sub-directories, making it much easier
to search for songs in the INDEX and once you know they are there, you
can get them. The INDEX file looks like this:

AC_DC:
total 6
-rwxr-xr-x  1 jamesb       2256 Aug  5 14:53 HellsBells.tab
-rwxr-xr-x  1 jamesb       2910 May  5 15:30 YouShookMeAllNightLong.crd

Adrian_Belew:
total 3
-rwxr-xr-x  1 jamesb       2133 Jun  5 13:59 BalletForABlueWhale.tab
...
Note that the INDEX file is not always up to date.

* When you're already in /pub/guitar, the following:
">ftp get AC_DC/YouShookMeAllNightLong.crd" does not work (at least
not for me), you have first to ">ftp cd AC_DC" and once you're there
">ftp get YouShookMeAllNightLong.crd".

* Most of the following additional sites mirror ftp.ftp.nevada and some may
have more:

ftp freja.diku.dk
ftp cs.uwp.edu
ftp syrinx.umd.edu
The guitar directories are either in /pub/guitar or in pub/music/guitar.

hope this helps, --ameen.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: ntruelove@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE TO CHECK YOUR E-MAIL...)
Subject: E7 chords (was: A really nice chord)
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:17:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oklahoma - University Computing Services

E A D B G E   
                   This a an E7aug9.  The favorite chord of Hendrix and myself.
0 7 6 7 8 0
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth)
Subject: Rush-Different Strings
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-26357]: sparta
Reply-To: butterwo@cs.tulane.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Tulane University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:32:06 GMT

Someone posted earlier about a Rush tune with lyrics "When the dragons 
grow to mighty to slay with pen or sword...".  I thought that the 
person was talking about the Rush song "Different Strings" off of the
Permanent Waves album.  I think the song they really want is off of the
A Farewell to Kings album, a song called The Madrigal.  Since I've tabbed 
out Different Strings, I'll post it anyway for anyone who wants it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

			      Different Strings
		         	  by Rush

Intro (x2)

  Am7     D/A        Am
e--------------------0-|
B-1--------3--(3)----1-|
G-------0--0------0----|
D----2---------4-------|
A-0--------0--(0)----0-|
E----------------------|

(x1) "Who's come to slay the dragon, come to watch him fall..."
(x1) "What happened to our innocence?  Did it go out of style..."

  Am                        D9(no 3rd)                Cmaj7
e----------0--------------|----------0--------------|-----------------------|
B-------1-----0---------1-|-------1-----0---------1-|----------1--(1)-------|
G----2---------------2----|----2---------------2----|----0--2----------0----|
D-----------------2-------|-0----------(0)--0-------|-----------------------|
A-0----------(0)----------|-------------------------|-3------------2------3-|
E-------------------------|-------------------------|-----------------------|

"Too much fuss and bother,"
"Diff'rent eyes see diff'rent things."

  Bm11                    F                          Bm11
e----------0--(0)-------|-1--------1--(1)----------|----------0--(0)-------|-
B-2----------------2----|----1-------------1-------|-2----------------2----|-
G-------2-------------2-|---------------------2----|-------2-------------2-|-
D----0------------------|-------3------------------|----0------------------|-
A-2--------2--(2)-----2-|------------------------0-|-2--------2--(2)-----2-|-
E-----------------------|-1-----------(1)----------|-----------------------|-

"too much contradiction and confusion..."
"Diff'rent hearts beat on different strings..."

  F           G         A(add B)
e-1--------1--3-------|-0-----0--(0)-------|-----------0--(0)----------|
B----1-----------3----|-2-------------0--1-|-(1)---------------0--0----|
G-------------0-----0-|-4------------------|--------2------------------|
D-------3-------------|-2--2---------------|-----2--------(2)----------|
A---------------------|-0------------------|--0----------------------0-|
E---------------------|--------------------|---------------------------|

 G/F       F      G/F     Am(add B)         Fmaj9     G6             Am7

"All there really is, the two of us, and we both know why we've come along."
"Nothing to explain..."

outro

A A/D C D
From: robo@oregon.uoregon.edu (O'Neill, Rob)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: The Sundays
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:37:00 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: robo.uoregon.edu

I'd love to get any info. on chords, tunings, etc., for their material, 
especially their first, self-titled album...

thanks,

Rob O'Neill
Univ. of Oregon
From: tmr@emotsun.bham.ac.uk (Tim Read)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: Rush Tab/Crds
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:50:12 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

There is a Rush song called I believe Xanadu, which starts with the line:

`When the dragons grow too mighty to slay with pen or sword...'

I have tried to put some chords to the lyrics, but have not had much luck.
Does anyone have an arrangement?

Thanks in advance,

 Tim
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From: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Drastic digressions" Neilski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: CHOPRO: Spirit In The Sky (Norman Greenbaum)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:55:58 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

Here's a really easy tune - Norman Greenbaum's "Spirit In The Sky" which Dr
And The Medics took to #1 in the UK in '86.

Interesting Pop Fact:  When Dr & The Medics covered Abba's "Waterloo" they
decided they didn't like their version as much as the original, so in the
video they mimed to Abba!

{t:Spirit In The Sky}
{st:Norman Greenbaum}

[A]         [D]    [C]
[A]         [C]    [D]

[A]When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the [D]place that's best
When they lay me [A]down to die
[E]Goin' on up to the spirit in the [A]sky

{soc}
Goin' on up to the spirit in the sky
That's where I'm gonna go [D]when I die
When I die and they [A]lay me to rest
I'm gonna [E]go to the place that's the [A]best
{eoc}

Prepare yourself you know it's a must
Gotta have a friend in [D]Jesus
So you know that [A]when you die
It's [E]gonna set you up with the [A]spirit in the sky
{c:chorus}

Never been a sinner I've never sinned
I've got a friend in [D]Jesus
So you know that [A]when I die
It's [E]gonna recommend me to the [A]spirit in the sky
{c:chorus}

[E]Go to the place that's the [A]best
[E]Go to the place that's the [A]best
{c:repeat to fade}

-- neilski

-- 
 Friar Tuck always hits a |  _ __        _          | "... and you've no idea  
  soldier over the head   | ' )  )      //     /    |  how hard it is to get   
 with a jug then blesses  |  /  / _  o // _   /_  o |   a budgerigar out of    
   him as he collapses!   | /  (_</_<_</_/_)_/ <_<_ |     a treacle tart."
From: doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Doney)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ LYRICS : robert palmer's "doctor, doctor..."
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:29:16 GMT
Reply-To: doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Doney)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

cheers all!  was wondering if someone has/knows the lyrics to robert
palmer's version of "doctor, doctor (..bad case of lovin' you)".
not sure if that's the correct title, but i think you know what i mean.
i'd appreciate if someone would post them, or email me directly.  i
can repost if anyone else is interested.  sorry if they've already
been sent in and i missed them.

thanks.....

bill
==============================================
             bill "skeets" doney
           doney@oasys.dt.navy.mil
"been waitin' for the bus all day..." - ZZ top
==============================================
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: corda@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (roberto corda)
Subject: HI GUY: WHO WE ARE.
Keywords: census
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:47:43 GMT
Summary: skill of alt.guitar.tab readers


 >I wonder how skillful are you guy, so I propose few question about you 
 >MAIL me, I will put it togheter.

 >1) Age  23
 >2) Skill beginner (fireside, intermediate, ok, professional)
 >3) How many years playing guitar? 1
i>4) Which kind of music do you prefer? Rock (Rap, classical, blues..)
 >5) Who is best guitar player? Hendrix  hendrix

 Number of anwers: 3
 Average age: 21
 Skills: beginner     2
	 fireside     0
	 intermediate 1
 How long playng: max 2 
		     min 1 average 1.2
 Kind of music: Heavy metal 1
		Rock        2
		Blues       1
 Best guitar player:
		Satriani    1
		Knopler     1
		Clapton     1
		Hendrix     1


 Maybe this is the difference from rec.music.guitar to alt.guitar?


 ! How many lines a man must write! 
 ! to reach the end of the file?  !

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From: jreardon@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (John Reardon)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: REQ: Van Halen "5150"
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:14:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu



	Could somebody please post or Email me the tab for Van Halen's

"5150".   It is not on ftp.nevada.edu.    



						Thanks 


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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: Re: Chord (was Choard) Formations...
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:58:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar.tab
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

fjhenigm@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Frank J. Henigman) writes:
>
>Second, how do you finger an A-shape bar chord?  The problem with this
>
>  ===========
>  | | | | | |
>  1 1 1 1 1 1
>  | | | | | |
>  | | 2 3 4 |
>  | | | | | |
>  | | | | | |
>
>is that before I get half way up the neck I can't cram three fingers
>between the frets.  Am I dreaming or did I once see someone "bar" the
>DGB strings with the second or third finger? 

     I use my fourth finger; it's easiest to bend backwards at the highest
knuckle. The only problem is that I sometimes deaden the high E.

     I'm trying to develop my 3rd finger to be able to do this, so I
can fret a note on the B or high E with my 4th finger for 7 and sus4
chords. Unfortunately, my 3rd finger is the one that's the most difficult
to bend backwards.

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
                     Keep your values off my family.
      "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
      We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
      -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,alt.guitar
From: guy@harlqn.co.uk (Guy Snape)
Subject: Re: alt guitar newsgroups
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:29:11 GMT

   >We have had rec.music.makers.guitar and rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
   >groups for a few months now.  Shouldn't someone do a rmgroup on these
   >alt guitar groups?

   I for one hope "somebody" never gets around to that little housecleaning
   operation, as my site hasn't picked up the rec. groups.

   Tracey

Absolutely.  I haven't been able to get the rec. groups either,
despite consultations with system mangers.... 

PLEASE DON"T KILL THESE GROUPS!!!!!

Thanks,

Guy

-------------------------	            Guy Snape
-------------------------       
------------------0------              guy@harlequin.co.uk
-----------0-2-------2-0- 
-----0-h-2---------------       #|My opinions, Not my employer's|#
--3----------------------
From: jmp@moscom.com (Joe Palumbos)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: Plastic Jesus?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:18:41 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.3 beta PL7]

Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu wrote:
: So I was watching "Cool Hand Luke" the other night, and was suddenly struck
: by the spirit (or something like that) when Luke (Paul Newman) learns of his
: mother's death and performs a musical dirge for her on his banjo.  The song
: he plays is fairly simple (it seems), and the lyrics start something like:
: "I ain't afraid of rain or freezes, 'long as I got my plastic Jesus."
: 
: Does anyone out there have the tab for this (transcribed for guitar), and/or
: the complete lyrics?
: 
: Many thanks,
: --Dale

I remember one verse:

I don't care if it rains or freezes
long's I got my plastic Jesus
ridin on the dashboard of my car.

Doin' 80 it ain't scary,
long's I got my Virgin Mary
ridin on the dashboard of my car.

-- 
Joe Palumbos	jmp@moscom.com		{rit,tropix,ur-valhalla}!moscom!jmp
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Where's NEVADA again??
Originator: wc9583@grant
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:05:54 GMT


One more time...

		Could someone please refresh my memory as to what the
address for the NEVADA site where all the tabs are archived is??

Sorry to waste bandwidth like this but I just can't recall...

Marc
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:16:30 CST
From: Laura Bootsy Boutwell <U58100@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: REQ: Total Peace SEBADOH III

I don't suppose anyone would have the tabs for this, would they?
It's pretty easy but I can't transcribe to save my skin.  Feel
free to e-mail;

Wuv,

Laura Bootsarina Von Bootgrowl the 2
U58100@UICVM.BITNET or @uicvm.uic.edu
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Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 13:16:01 CET
From: <IBRUNTON@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: Re: Choard Formations...

rthomas@terapin.com (Richard Thomas) writes:
>
>Could someone please tell me how to make an Em chord? Am? E7? I've heard
>somewhere that there are 12 or 14 REALLY important chods everyone should
>know... If that's true, could someone divulge those chords to me? (if ya
>haven't noticed yet, I haven't been playing Guitar for all that long...)
>Thanx a lot in advance...

Hi,

Three things:

1. Choard and Chod are spelled chord.

2. Get a book. The one I had when I was a nipper was called:
'500 Chord Shapes', it contained the ones you are after for all 12
major keys, plus sixths, Maj7 Min7 Dim Augumented and all sorts that
you think you'll never use, three inversions (ways to play) of each.
I used to try one inversion of each every day. Even if you never
play some of these for real, this little excercise can help to get
the fingers on your left hand working independently, and gives
you a handle on transposition, (playing the same tune in a different
key), very handy if there is a pianist around, in my experience
the hate Emaj (easy on a guitar) and transpose into E-flat (rarely
a first-choice guitar key).

3. Get some mates. Very important this. For example, any book will
tell you to play C major like this:

 o||-|-|-|      but for most purposes,     ||-|-|-| real name:
  ||1|-|-|      the superior, but less     ||1|-|-| Cmaj(G bass)
 o||-|-|-|      correct fingering is:      ||-|-|-|
  ||-|2|-|                                 ||-|2|-|
  ||-|-|3|                                 ||-|-|4|
 x||-|-|-|                                 ||-|-|3|

You won't get that from a book, and there's plenty more where that
came from. It's considerably faster to learn chords and pieces
by watching people not that much more advanced than you. Don't
by shy about it, everybody went through the stage where Aminor
is a bit of a mystery.

Flame retarder:

I say that the above fingering is superior because:
1. If you don't want to play the G bass, you don't have to.
2. If you can't help it, it's easily muted with your third finger.
3. It gives a fuller sound when strumming, better than an open E.
4. Try playing 'The Boxer' or any Johnny Cash tune.
5. The 'shape' made by the 2/3/4th fingers is very common therefore
easy/should be learned well.

Cheers,

IAn Brunton.    <><

ibrunton@estec.estec.esa.nl
IBRUNTON@ESTEC.BITNET
NLESADGL at IBMMAIL
uuencoded stuff:
ibrunton@bcserver.estec.esa.nl

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: mvrams00@nx10.mik.uky.edu (mike v. ramsey)
Subject: CRDS: Last Train To Clarksville
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:12:57 GMT

I found this tucked away in a file, I'm not sure if it is right, but  
maybe it will help!!  Good Luck!

THE MONKEES
-----------

LAST TRAIN TO CLARKSVILLE


the intro riff to this song is simple arpegging, in the first position G  
chord:

-----------------------|----------------|-------------------------------
-----------------------|----------------|------------0-----0------------
------0----------------|----0-----------|----0-----0-----0--------------
----------3---2---0----|------3--2--0---|--------3-----2-----0----------
-----------------------|----------------|-------------------------------
----3------------------|--3-------------|--3----------------------------
 

this figure is repeated thruout the verses, up until the chord change to  
C7




[G]
take the last train to clarksville and i'll meet you at the station
you can be here at 4:30 cause i've made my reservation don't be

[C7]
slow, oh no no no, oh no no no

[G]
cause i'm leaving in the morning and i won't see you again
we'll have one more night together, til the morning brings my train and 
i must

[C7]
go, oh no no no, oh no no no

      [D] (i think - this is from memory right now)
and i  don't know if i'm ever coming

[G]
home



Mike Ramsey
From: cudex@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr K R Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: E7 chords (was: A really nice chord)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:32:35 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk

EADBGE ?  Strange tuning!

Kev
From: rthomas@terapin.com (Richard Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Req: Sweet Child o' Mine...
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:03:53 GMT
Organization: BBS

HELP! PLEASE!!! I'm desperate for this TAB!!! I was listening to the song today
and decided I wanted to learn it, but after hours most of it still puzzles
me... Could someone PLEASE post or E-mail to me the TAB for this song? I don't
have FTP access... Thanx a lot in advance! PLEASE if you have this send it to
me!
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
From: tony@microware.com (Tony Hoffman)
Subject: Re: "The Attitude Song"--Steve Vai
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:33:19 GMT

In article <1k2fqbINN87u@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> boydso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>
>I was trying to figure out Steve Vai's "The Attitude Song" and
>I was having trouble finding all the artificial harmonics.
>Could someone help me with this?
>

Unless you have a 7-string guitar like Vai plays it will be impossible to
completely reproduce his material.  I know Ibenez markets a couple different
Steve Vai 7-string guitars.  Also, I thought that there was a Steve Vai
tab. book in print.  But, I'm not sure if it was for "Flexible" or
"Passion and War".  I do have "Sisters" (off the latter release) in an
old issue of Guitar Player.  Anyway, good luck.

Tony.
From: stan1982@mach1.wlu.ca (Gregory Stanley u)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
Subject: GRATEFUL DEAD LYRICS/CHRDS AVAIL.
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:10:00 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

Hi I'm new to the net today but if anybody needs any help with Grateful Dead
lyrics, or chord progressions I'll give it a try.  I do need some help with
some of Jerry's solos.  Any body got tabs of these.  I could really use 'em.


Thanks loads


Greg Stanley

Peace
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From: US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
Subject: Re: Chord Questions
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:33:23 CST
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
NNTP-Posting-Host: vm.cc.latech.edu

In article <1993Jan28.183130.27583@rigel.econ.uga.edu>
mhall@moe.coe.uga.edu (Mike Hall UCNS Aderhold Hall) writes:
 
>    This is to correct my own mistake:
>
>      I want to know what this chord  |xo2o3o| is;  not |xxo2o3|
>
>   Sorry about the mixup.  Mike Hall   mhall@moe.coe.uga.edu
 
 
 
 
       x02030  =  A7sus
 
 
mikejames (US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU)
 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.tab
From: fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser)
Subject: Re: REQ: Cocaine by Cayle,Clapton
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:38:30 GMT

sean kerns (drkerns@sony7.sdrc.com) wrote:
: I made a correction above in CAPS to the second line.
: Snake

I guess I must be slow today.  I can't find your correction.  Would
you please post just the corrected line with a line above and a line
below for context?    No need to re-post the whole thing.

Thanks,

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  Fred Handloser
  Corvallis, Oregon
  fredh@cv.hp.com