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From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John of Gaunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:35:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul29.160042.1901@makesys.com>, john@makesys.com (John Turman)
writes...
>In article <1992Jul28.031552.17685@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.
edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>>In article <CPM.92Jul27163911@clyde.clearpoint.com> cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
>>writes:

[much stuff deleted]

>>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

[bantering deleted]

>There is one fact that I see here, that is that the Jets, Dolphins and Colts
>have taken great strides forward in improving their defenses while Buffalos
>seems to have all the ingredients there to have another 27th ranked D this
>year.  The Bills will not be a successful team relying on offense alone.
>Witness the Chargers of the Dan Fouts era. Your D is slowly disintegrating
>while your AFC east opponents are building for the future.

	Other AFC East teams are making great strides not because they're doing
a better job getting talent, but because just one player can make a very big
difference in a poor team.
	Defensive rankings are based on total yardage given up.  That isn't
a good indicator of the actual quality of a defense, even when you don't have
to deal with the unconventional no-huddle offense.
	The Bills' defense does have its problems, but new players are coming
into their own.  I don't think any serious deterioration will be evident this
year unless Bruce Smith can't come back from his injury.

[more useless banter deleted]

>John "Dolphinatic" Turman

Snoopy
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer depth chart starters
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:26:40 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <92212.22232932BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, 32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes...

>In article <1992Jul30.182456.29793@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN
>HEIM ) says:
>>
>>I never heard this either.  But Ron Hallstrom ran a 4.75 40 in, hmmmm,
>>1980 maybe?  I remember because at the time I calculated how much
>>horsepower this represents.  I've forgotten what I came up with and
>>even how to recalculate it.  I based the calculations on 300lbs going
>>40 yds in 4.75 seconds (assuming constant accelleration).
> 
>Tony Mandarich was timed at 4.69 in the fourty during the 1989 scouting combine
>..  This number in widely known and can found on the back of many of his
>football cards and was also discussed in the 1989 Sports Illustrated issue on
>him.  In that issue it is hypothesied that he is the fastest man ever at his
>weight.  Yep, 4.69 in the fourty - hard to believe but very true.

If Hallstrom could run a 4.75 I don't find a 4.7 at all unbelievable 
for Mandarich.  Hallstom weighed only about 300 at the time and I 
think Mandarich weighed around 320 at the combines but 4.7 is still 
believable.

JGH
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:07:31 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

> In article <1992Jul27.233401.4185@seq.uncwil.edu>, rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ros
> >           Pumpy Tudors - nailed every punt. Feagles is out of a job.
> 
> Pumpy Tudors, huh?  Let's at least wait to see how the guy performs in 
> a preseason game before we give him the punting job.  Jeff Feagles, IMO,
> is going to be very difficult to beat out.

Good ol' Pumpy, from the All-Name Team.  He's good, but we haven't seen him
under circumstances even remotely close to what it'll take to prove he's as
good as Feagles.  Feagles is one of the very best at putting it right in the
corner.  Has Tudors been forced to punt off a bad snap (Feagles got way too
many of these) with a ferocious rush bursting through a porous offensive
line?  Not.

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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Montana still "tired"
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:46:39 GMT

In article <tokuno.712433772@milton>, tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
>
>>Joe Montana still says he feels like he's not getting much zip on the
>>ball, and complains that his arm feels tired. He took half of Friday off,
>>then did not throw Saturday or Sunday, then yesterday he threw only
>>30 passes (he was scheduled to throw 40). He has been diagnosed as
>>having "tired tendons", and has been advised to cut back for the rest
>>of training camp. However, he is still scheduled to start Monday night
>>against the Broncos.
>
>According to the wire service story I read this morning, Joe will be
>sitting out practica ll day today because his arm is sore and tired.  This
>is not a good sign.  I am beginning to think he will not be able to
>return.

Yep, it's beginning to look that way. Ira Miller, a columnist for the
Chronicle, had a big column on the front page of the sports page today,
titled something like "Is This the End for Montana?". He brought up some
things that Bill Walsh had said back in the spring of this year. Walsh had
been asked what he would look for to know if Joe was progressing
satisfactorily, and he said "You start looking in preseason to see if
he is missing any practice days. If he does, then something's wrong." Looks
like Walsh was clairvoyant. Miller continued in his column to draw parallels
between Montana and Bradshaw. Bradshaw had similar elbow surgery at the end
of his career, and after the surgery/rehab he ended up playing only 18 more
minutes during the next season, and that was it for his career. Miller also
made one more point that Joe hates sitting out and is always talking
to the doctors and coaches trying to persuade them to let him throw, so
if he is sitting out now then something must really be wrong.

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chargers stuff..
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:05:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

>>
>>>The bad news.. there are a bunch of key veterans unsigned and making
>>>ridiculous salary claims. That includes starting QB Friesz who wants
>>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
>>Just who J. Friesz think he is?

Ah-ha!  Yet another Bermanism:

>>
>>
>>>   Reggie "Foghorn" Langhorne
>>>   Vince Workman "my way back to you, babe"
>>>   Thermal Thomas
>>>   Brad "Colonel" Muster "who did it in the Laboratory 
>>>			  with a lead pipe"
>>>   Scott "Won't you let me take you on a" Secules
>>
>>    "Who Framed" Roger Ruzek
>>
>	 Steve "I got you babe" Bono
>

	John "DEEEEEEEEEPPPP!!!" Friesz


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: ONE FOR THE THUMB???
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 30 JUL 92 16:24:02    

In article <1992Jul30.145732.12081@cbnews.cb.att.com>, fmkeith@cbnews.cb.att.com (francis.keithline) writes...

>Are there any DIEHARD Steeler fans out there who think the Steelers can win
>a Superbowl in the next couple of years??  I live in the area of NYC and I am
>sick of hearing how much tradition The New York Football "giants" think they
>have.  All TRUE Pro Football fans know where the real tradition is,
>PITTSBURGH. Four Super Bowl Rings, only two teams can claim that accomplishment,
>but how many coaches can???  That's right ONE, CHUCK!!!!!!  Who should be the 
>starting QB, Bubby or Neil???  Any talk of or about the Steelers I am looking
>for.  Please post some Steeler news of mail it to me.  GO STEELERS!!!!!!

I would suggest that it's a bad idea to imply that your team has 'the 
real tradition' in this forum and in the same message ask about the 
Steelers chance of winning an SB in the next few years.  Most likely 
you're going to get a lot of "In your dreams" for replys.

JGH

(BTW - in your dreams.)
From: gd@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (gregory.durant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:50:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul27.233401.4185@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>
>     Well, went to West Chester today to see my boys do thier thing,
>and I saw some good things, some bad things.
>

This is one Birds fan who truly appreciates the updates from training
camp. Being stuck here in Giants land its hard to obtain information on 
my hometown and favorite team. Keep up the good work.

>The Good: Herschel Walker - he ran around, through, over and away from
>every defensive unit. By far the best back we`ve had since Wilbert
>Montgomery.

Was there any real resistive effort from the defensive unit? I guess I'm
a little skeptical with the idea of Herschel being the "feature" back.
I think Herschel would have a bigger impact if he performs "spot duty". IMHO

>          Randall Cunningham - looked as good as ever. Scrambled away
>from a few 'sack` situations during reciever drills.
>          Keith Byars - has a new lease on life knowing there is a 
>quality backfield partner (besides Randall). He played/practiced hard,
>determined and fought for every inch.
>          Pumpy Tudors - nailed every punt. Feagles is out of a job.
>

Really good news, looks like most of last years weaknesses show improv-
ment! I still wish Keith Jackson were in camp and working on showing the 
same form as a couple of years ago.

>
>The Bad: Still no starting secondary.

Do you have any news on Ben Smith. I heard he was in camp which was a 
surprise to me since he wasn't expected to play this year. I don't expect
anything from him this year, hopefully he can work his way back to form.

>         Brandon Houston - rookie OT - started a fight every 15 mins

Speaking of O-line, how did they look in general? This is the biggest
weakness.

>
>The running backs: Stacy and Sherman looked pathetic. Brooks and Joseph
>looked good. Walker was spectacular and Byars was very good.
>

IMHO, Sherman should be oughta here. It's not comforting that Stacy doesn't
look good.

>
>Well, thats all for now...
>-- 
>______________________________________________________________________________
>|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu|Mashed potatoes can be your |rsmith@matsci1.uncwil.edu|
>|smith@oscar.udel.edu |friends - Wierd Al Yankovic |       Ross Smith        |
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Good Job Ross

Greg Durant
AT&T-BL
Whippany, NJ
gmd@floyd.att.com
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns News - July 20th
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:29:05 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <l6ts32INNjgm@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> flanery@cs.utk.edu (Ray Flanery) writes:
>Jeff, I have to disagree with you a little. I think the Browns have an
>excellent shot at the division. As you said above, last years defense
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was good enough to keep them in all but one game, and it was totally
>patch work. In spite of the lack of starters on defense, Houston only
>sqeeked by in both games, one of the games saw a starting corner back who
>had only been with us 3 days. I do not think we will lose to Houston this
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>year. As for the Bengals and Steelers, well, anyone who gives them a 
 ^^^^
>chance at beating us (other than based on luck) is probably not all
>together in the brain department.
> Raymond E. Flanery Jr.             |  Go BROWNS !!!                     

What a joke!  You've got to be kidding.  HA! The Browns winning the division.
Right, what a team they have, it is just full of total superstars.  They're
so good, that last year they managed to lose to the Bengals once and the
other time needed a last play field goal to win.  And you say that they
will not lose to Houston this year!  They played their best game of the
season at Houston last year, way over their heads, and STILL lost.  Houston
typically loses one home game a year.  And that will be to the BROWNS???
Give me a break.  I would not be surprised to see the Bengals beat the
Browns once this year, and I expect the Steelers to beat the Browns at
least once.  But of course, you give yourself a way out by saying it
could be based on luck, so when the Browns choke you will blame it on luck.






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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: New York Giants
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:09:47 GMT

evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - UCS Network Systems) writes:
: Concerning the NY Giants kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes...
: >-- 
: 
: Ha! I couldn't have said it better!
: 
: :)
: 
: Doug
: 
:                                     |                              Doug Evans
:                                     | State University of New York at Buffalo
:                                     |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Signings
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:20:31 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Jul23.121411.436@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...

>The Packers signed 3rd round pick Robert Brooks (WR - South Carolina)
>and 4th round pick Edgar Bennett (RB - Florida State) yesterday.
>This leaves Terrel Buckley and Mark D'onafrio as the only unsigned
>players.  

You mean they're the only unsigned rookies.  I think there are several 
unsigned veterans.

>          According to the Chicago Tribune, Buckley's "demands"
>are now a contract larger than 3rd pick Sean Gilbert (5 years/7.5 mil).
>The Packers are offering 5 years/5.7 mil.  Now that Buckley no longer
>feels he should be the highest paid draft pick, perhaps they can 
>make some progress.

I just heard him repeat this yesterday.  I don't think he's changed 
much.

>Does anyone now where the negotiations with D'onafrio stand or 
>which vetrans are unsigned?

I've heard nothing about D'onafrio's status.  I don't know why the 
local news isn't covering this better.  Perhaps they're distracted by 
the Buckley problem.

JGH
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers' news
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:15:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: G Sheffield + F McGriff Appreciation Society


Most of the veterans have reported, with the notable exception
of starting QB Freisz. Two others are still unsigned. 
Unbelievably, Leslie O'Neal signed in time for the camp, and
was actually happy with his contract.

LB Billy Ray Smith [re]injured his calf in practise, a torn muscle.
He is out indefinitely. Fortunately, LB is a position where SD
has good, solid depth. 


--Prashanth
  prash@bhaskara.ucsd.edu
  U of California at San Diego
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From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes)
Subject: Re: Where is the Pool??
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:09:00 GMT

In article <l78bemINNg9j@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM
(Brian Edge) writes:
|> Is the pool going to be posted on the net??  When??  Are we doing
|> preseason??
|> 
|> Go Niners
|> 
|> Brian 
|> 
|> 
|> 
I agree. GO NINERS!!!!!!!!(and take the Giants with you)
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Saints News
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:05:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron


Alright John Nolin and you underground Intergraph Saints fans:
Here's SOME news forwarded to me from David Kaufman ( Tulane guy, but we
can't be choosy ;) ) this morning.

Enjoy!


*****************************************

Vaugn Dunbar: missed a few days because of a slight groin pull doing
the revised mile 1/2 (now a series of 25 back and forth zigzags)
Impressive, even not at 100%

Allen Pinkett: Impresses with his attitude and effort and ability.

Hilliard: hasn't practiced yet.

McAfee: Running with confidence, trying to catch the ball, faster.

Heyward: still overweight, but Mora says in better shape than last two
years. Still not in good shape.

Jackson and Legette have signed. Holdouts include Eric Martin
(talking) and maxie, Cook & Atkins(?), all angry at the big bucks to
Plan B Taylor, a Saint cut a few years back.

Anderson has tendinitis in his left leg, not serious. Haverdink has
back spasms, serious.

Scrimmage against Vikes later this week.

Nothing else of note.

-- 
David Kaufmann

*****************************************

Thanks Dave!


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Status of Players Suit
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:23:27 GMT

cdaigle@bnr.ca (Christopher Daigle) writes:
>What is the latest info on the player's court case in Minn?

The trial was in recess for two weeks, and will resume Monday.

Meanwhile, the NFL owners have authorized the executive committee (or
maybe it's called the management council?) to reach a binding
agreement with the players and settle out of court.  Note that this
authorization means that the committee doesn't have to go back with
the agreement to the owners to get a 3/4 majority!  They have the
authority to finalize it.  Al Davis, considered by many to be
relatively in favor of the players, is a new member of this committee.

All reports suggest that the owners have finally realized that they
will lose the lawsuit.  So, basically, the players will get a lot of
their demands.  For example --

Free agency:  The owners agree to FA after 6 years.  The players want
four.  Expect some compromise, on the shorter side.

The draft:  Will be shortened to ~8 rounds.  According to a report on
the net, only non-playoff teams will draft in the later rounds.

Salary cap & rookie pay scale:  Will happen, in some form or another.

The lawsuit: Will be settled out of court.  All pending lawsuits by
other players will be dropped.  All players who were protected under
Plan B in the three years of its existence will get some compensation.
(I assume this means players who were not under contract at the time.)

NFL Properties: Some percentage of the merchandising profits will be
paid to the players and/or the players association and/or the pension
fund.


--Gidi
From: gd@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (gregory.durant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:32:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul29.175421.9191@encore.com> kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius) writes:
>joseph.m.dakes writes:
>>Ross Smith writes:
>>> The QBs: all looked below average except Archer and Cunningham. Give
>>> Weldon a break though, it was his first day.
>>Weldon is a project.  Goebel is most likely history.  Archer is going
>>to be in trouble if the Birds resign McMahon, which I wish they would
>>do soon.  Kemp is going to make the team if for no other reason than
>>for Braman to hang out with his dad, Jack Kemp, on Sunday afternoons.
>>Though he did perform very well off the bench last season.
>
>Why McMahon?  I would rather see his salary go to up-and-coming QB.  I
>don't know what he does for the team off the field since I don't have
>access to the Philly press, but on the field, he does not impress me at 
>all.  He is just so battered that he doesn't have anything left to give.
>I respect his past achievements but he is just too unreliable...
>--
>Kevin Schnitzius
>kschnitzius@encore.com

I agree with you, I would rather see the money given to on of the young
up and coming qbs. But I have to admit I was impressed with McMahon's
abilities when he was on the field long enough to showcase them. The
problem was that he is so injury prone that you can't count on him be-=
ing healthy.

Greg Durant
AT&T-BL
Whippany, NJ
gmd@floyd.att.com
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Bobby Humphrey
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:42:18 GMT

In article <92209.084150JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>Does anybody know what is going on with Bobby Humphrey?  Has he showed for
>training camp?  Is he going to try to work out a contract with Denver now
>that Gaston Green has been signed for another year?
>
>--Paul Garlitz        JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUC

I don't know where you've been all summer but Bobby Humphry got traded even up
to the Dolphins for Sammie Smith. And yes he has reported to camp and is happy
as a lark to be playing for his new team. Look for him to have a 1000 yard plus
season this year and to beat the Dallas Cowboys in the Super Bowl. Oh well, I
can dream can't I? :~)

John
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Preseason Week 1 Picks (REPOST)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:41:37 GMT


Preseason Week 1
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