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From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Yet Another Trip Report
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:41:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncar.1992Aug25.234125.2725
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry

Last weekend I had to drive down to Lake City (300 miles across the Rockies)
to climb a mountain for Charity.  Suddenly my pardner decided he had to get
the hell out of town NOW, and roared off in his 4x4 leaving me with only
myself and camping gear to haul down there. HOT DAMN, I CAN TAKE THE BIKE!

After nearly thirty years of riding I'd never tried any touring, and was
hot to see how Fang did at this.  Fang: 1984 Honda V65 Sabre, Hondaline 
fairing, Eclipse bags, Solo radar detector.  I've had him about a year and
6k miles.

Some things I learned;

- Camping and climbing gear for a weekend will fill a set of Eclipse bags and
a big pack _very_ full.
- Eclipse makes great stuff.  That big tank bag isn't really designed to have
20 pounds of food in it though - kept sagging off to one side.
- Hats off once again to Cincinnati Microwave.  Saved my butt twice more.
- A set of mountaineer's goretex makes a fine rain suit.  Kept me dry and
  warm through a lot of heavy rain.
- Touring behind a fairing is really nice.  As quite and comfortable as a
  ragtop cage at 85^H^H^H^H 55mph.  Even crossing Monarch Pass in a downpour.
- A big Sabre gets about 38mpg at 85^H^H^H 55mph. 
- Running on a schedule that requires 300 miles in 5 hours is a Bad Idea.
  Even with a quiet, smooth bike and a throttle lock, my upper back, butt,
  and throttle wrist got a bit weary after 5 nearly nonstop hours.
  This is the first time I've ever thought the stock seat was a bit          
  uncomfortable.  The worst problem, though, was the spine just above the
  shoulder blades.  Helmet weight, maybe?
- The brakes worked well in the rain.  This is a relief; the main reason I
  sold the old CB750 was to correct this problem.  
- Riding in the rain at night SUCKS.  Fortunately I only had to do this for
  about thirty miles.
- Incredible luck with turkeys.  The only asshole cager on the entire trip
  was a fuzzmobile from the infamous CHP Accident Prevention Team, who kept
  a quarter-mile-long string of cars backed up at 5 under in Clear Creek
  Canyon.
- Traffic was incredibly fast on I70.  At 80^H^H^H 55mph I wasn't passing
  _anybody_.  

And finally, some additions to the Great Roads list; Hoosier Pass from
Breckenridge to Fairplay. C149 from Gunnison to Lake City (especially!)
The run down South Park from Fairplay to Johnson Corner, if traffic is
light.  

I think I'll do some more touring...

			Chuck Smythe (DoD #50)
        
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: "Sorry John"
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:23:25 GMT

  I apologize to John and anyone else who took offense. In retrospect I
have to agree my comments were uncalled for and tasteless. I regretted
them the moment I posted but was too stubborn to cancel.Sometimes I
just get wound up a little too tight. It won't happen again.
                        Jorg
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: stephd@microsoft.com (Steve Dybing)
Subject: Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:06:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft
Keywords: FJ1200

Another FJ owner has joined the fray.  I picked up a new '91 model this
morning and only managed to put 8 miles on the odometer before I was 
dragged back to work.  As a tester, I get pretty busy when those silly
developers come up with release candidates.  Anyway, add another to the 
list of owners of the official DoD bike.  

Hey Blaine, how about sending me the archives?

I have a question for the net-at-large.  The parts critter told me to
use Golden Spectro when I change it at 100 miles.  I've heard that
synthetics shouldn't be used and one of the guys here at work uses
Castrol-GTX 20w/50.  Anybody have any differing opinions?  Gawd, I can't
believe I said that...

Steve Dybing  DoD #656
82 Yamaha Seca Turbo
85 Kawasaki 700 Ltd.
91 Yamaha FJ1200

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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: BMW R100RS - Raise handlebar one inch
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<1992Sep1.133932.401@halfdome.sf.ca.us>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.133932.401@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:

>In article <1992Sep01.140721.12931@bnr.uk>, datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>> Jeff Achenbach (achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com) wrote:
>> : In article <1992Aug31.193349.21762@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>> : >In article <1992Aug31.015943.25770@wam.umd.edu> kkw@wam.umd.edu (Katarina Wong O'Gara) writes:
>> : >>In article <1992Aug30.192940.1077@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>> : >>>	I need to raise the handelbar on a R100RS ('81) by
>>                                 ~~~~~~~~~~
>> I tried Handelbars, they served good German lager but played loud classical 
>> music all the time.

>but handel spent most of his composing years in england... go figure!

And since that time, he has spent most of his time decomposing.

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: My bike got vandalized last night
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:42:25 GMT

In article <16110201@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>    *down the street on foot.  Four police cars came and I was scouring the
>    *neighborhood with them for a little while until we caught him.  Then I
>    *had to sit in the police station for a couple hours filling out BS
>    *paperwork.   Now we have a court date and all, but the cop said he
>    *didn't have ID and maybe didn't even give his real name.  So I doubt
>    *he'll show up.  Normally I'm opposed to vigilante justice, but I may
>    *change my mind soon.
>
>So why the hell did the police let him go before they were sure who he
>was??????  If he gave a name they type it into the computer.  The computer
>spits out a physical description, address, and birthday.  Then you give
>the creep a quiz.  If he can't answer right they bust him for lying to the
>police.  You may be screwed, and it is all the cops fault.  Typical New

So which computer do they type his name into?  Maybe your police have
a direct line to the BatComputer, but mine don't.  Or do they have an
account on bigbro.kgb.ussr.gov?  Just because a guy gets drunk and upset
when someone tried to hassle him (referring to the guys he was fighting
with in the bar, not the folks who broke up the fight) doesn't mean he's
got a criminal record.  Driver's license, you say?  Suppose he doesn't
drive?  There is no legal requirement for him to have any ID at all,
and no way to guarantee that even correct information is verifiable in
a reasonable period of time.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bear Mountain, NY Trip Report
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:01:57 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <762@zx11.UUCP>, steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade) writes:
> sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Supervisor) writes:
>>9W is a great alternate route to the Thruway, as it winds its way next to
>>the Hudson River for most of the way up New York State.  

i used to ride up and down these roads back when i live in NY and northern
NJ.  9W is certainly a fun route, but there used to be quite a few coppers
on them.  the palisades interstate is quite nice, too.  i also like taking
US202 up through there as well, and some of the two-laners, whose names 
escape me now, down past indian point.

my problem with the bear mt. inn and the surrounding park is that it was 
always much too noisy.  while some folks wanted to lie back and picnic, 
others had their trunks open and their radios turned way up.  this spoiled
much of the serenity of the place for me.

how could i forget 7 lakes parkway????  another awesome route.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Speaking of triple A....
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:17:52 GMT

aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:

>Just curious...if you are a AAA member and your
>bike dies, will they provide tow service?

Bikes aren't covered in the basic membership, but they are in the "RV
Plus" membership. At least in Utah.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: veikko@vipunen.hut.fi (Vesa J Pyyluoma)
Subject: VX800 reviews?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:38:42


Hullo netland. Could some kind soul point me to VX800 reviews in major US/UK
mags, please. What was that review host called again?!

cheers,

Vesa J Pyyluoma		veikko@vipunen.hut.fi		DoD#0512
Avionics rules!				 Helsinki Univ. of Tech, Finland

P|rr p|rrrr p||||rrrr ................................................. XV535
/* Learning Finnish, Part I: For all these years you may have lived in the 
false belief that | is a vertical bar. Well it's not. It's a lower case \! */
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Ok, I have almost decided
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:58:08 GMT

I have an 86 GSXR1100 with 29k (bought used with 15k) on it. To date I
have had no problems of any kind except for steering head bearings,
which can take a beating depending on how you ride(ie.not the bikes
fault). Some smaller sport bikes I have had were getting very loose at
this mileage. Every other owner I have talked to has said his bike has
been bulletproof, which is why I initially bought mine. I have found
that semi-synthetic oil makes a good transmission work even better. The
532 chain costs more but lasts much longer than the 530 conversion some
people opt for.

                                Jorg
From: peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FAQ needed
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:08:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University


Hi,

   Can somebody send me the FAQ, especially
   the section dealing with DoD.

Suresh
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Law Editorial
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:53:27 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]As a supporter of helmet laws,
](should I appoint myself the KotHL?) there are some some valid 
]justifications, and some bullshit on both sides of the issue. I've tried 
]to inform myself as well as I can on the issue, 

I submit that you've failed miserably.

]I'll give up that small freedom for the enormous benefit to 
]those who refuse to ever wear helmets because they don't think they do any 
]good.

then your solution is to merely treat the symptom as opposed to treating
the disease, ignorance.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: riot scheduled to break out in los angeles this week-end.
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:35:41 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

watch out: i'm riding to la-la land this thursday. 

i'll be up for a ride on sunday morning.  i wanna check out what kinda
piss-ant riders they got down there at the rock store.

i don't know if you angelinos have a local mailing list, but if so, feel free
to repost this. 

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: European bike ride
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:00:13 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Aug25.162545.18679@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>That's easy, it's that island next to Ireland.
>

What's the useless piece of wasteland around Chicago called?
America.

(Apologies to the original "What's the useless piece of flesh around a penis called - a man", and the corresponding female version, too.)


============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:35:37 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: GSRX's and Posing
	<1992Aug28.172133.10756@rchland.ibm.com>

Howdy,
> AH HA - a poser is revealed !  You have perfectly summarized the usefulnes
> bikes like the GSXR, ZX-7, etc. Loads of fun for about 45 miuntes. 45
> minutes of cruising around your town looking cool (posing). 45 minutes
> of blazing around a race track. With the FJ, you can actually
> ride for (gasp) *hours* at a time. You know - to actually ride to a
> destination, and still keep pace with the fastest of the fast in all
> but the peg-scraping-est twisties.

Um, I guess I don't get it.  45 minutes of blazing around twisties is
bad?  So what if you have to get off every hour?  At least when some FJ
comes poking along, you can twist it and leave 'em.

And I'll admit that looks are important to me.  I find myself fitting
the image of a GSXR rider better than an FJ rider.  Personally, I
think that bikes that demand some sacrifice from their rider to be the
best performance-wise are cool.  Even just seeing a couple riders on
modern superbikes cruising down the road in full leathers is cool.
Seeing them fly through a corner and then hearing them rolling on the
gas and rocketing away is even better.

Tell you what.  Take all the plastic off your FJ, or paint it
chartruese with a small brush or something.  Like it?  Just because
someone likes to look cool does not mean they're posing.  Looking cool
and backing it up is awesome.

Now what I enjoy is the folks who buy the GSXR because "it's the
fastest bike man", and can't ride.  Then you dust them on your shaft
drive '82 Seca 650 :-)

Mark "the squid" Andy

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:35:52 GMT
Subject: Re: dunlop 591 vs. metzler 99a perfect ???
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles


*    	The next time I change tires I'll probably try a
*    	Lasser front and Dunlop 591 rear. I've heard this is
*    	a good combination, and I'd like to feel how it is,
*    	particularily on the highway.

I've got a Lazer front tire and Dunlop D401 on the back of my Seca 750.
I talked to a guy a the shop with the same bike and Dunlop D401s front
and rear.  He had 15,000 miles on them, and they weren't dead yet-but
were getting close.  We both thought they have plenty of traction. 
The front Dunlop was scalloping a little bit.  The Lazers wear very
evenly, and handle great.  Metzler says in the their tyre flyer that
the Lazer is the "perfect match for *any* rear tire".

110/90-18 doesn't sound oversized for a 400, get out the ruler and check
for clearance.  Since you have gone one size oversize on the front-going 
one size oversize on the back to match doesn't sound too radical.

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Concours throttle lock?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:17:30 GMT

mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) writes:

>After feeling tingles in my right arm for two days after my last long
>ride, I've decided I need a throttle lock for the Concours.

>Part of the problem in doing that is that traditional throttle locks
>which attach to the throttle cable won't work.

>How have other Concours owners solved this?

The one on mine is a chrome affair that I picked up at Zoom Cycle on
El Camino. It has a steel ring tht goes over your throttle grip, and
secures with a couple of set screws. The remaining mechanism is
intended to be attached to the handlebar on a conventional style
handlebar. I used the hole for a bar mount mirror and a little JB weld
to attach it and it has been great for the last two years. 

I'm sure that someone will assist with the brand name, but I can't
remember it.

Feel free to give me a call if you want to take a look.

Ed Greenberg gave me quite a chuckle a little while ago. He was
telling me of a ride that the two of you took, on which you swapped
bikes for a portion of the return. The thing that made me chuckle was
him asking "I liked it , but how do you keep it any where near the
speed limit?" :{)

*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^^^^^^It *LIVES*!^^^^^^^^^^^^              AMA #524245
                                    Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.

*********************************************************************
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: lane splitting
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:34:49 PDT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Aug26.185742.12827@javelin.sim.es.com>, llane@javelin.sim.es.com (Laura Lane) writes:

> standstill you should only go 5mph). Now I have lane splitted and I don't

i believe the correct conjugation is "lane splitten".  i lane split,
you lane split, he,she,it lane splits; i have lane splitten, you have
lane splitten, he,she,it has lane splitten; i will have lane splitten,
you will have lane splitten, he,she,it will have lane splitten; etc.

> lane, and being a new rider at the time it made me a little more than
> nervous, besides the fact that if I had an accident it would be my fault.

leeme clue you in, laura-- if you are on a motorcycle and you have
an accident it will be your fault.  this is not related in any way
whatsoever to truth, facts, or reality.  this IS reality.

> I guess what I'm trying to get at here is.. is it legal or illegal to lane
> split and if it was illegal wouldn't this solve the lane splitting issue, 
> since insurance is high enough with out adding all the tickets for lane
> splitting and accidents to it.  

1) making it illegal does not make it safer, laura.
2) the fact that insurance is high does not have anything to do with
   safety either.  it has to do with profits and greedy executives.
3) the fact that people get tickets does not have anything to do with
   safety either.  it has to do with profits and greedy politicians.
4) the fact that people have accidents usually has to do with one
   person trying to outasshole another person.  outassholing seems
   to occur quite independently of lane splitting.
5) if we want to make the streets safer, we should make being an
   asshole illegal.

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Law Editorial
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:48:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance


Somebody wrote:

>May I suggest that you stick your shrill persecution complex where the
>sun doesn't shine?  This group is formed of thousands of diverse
>individuals, with as many differing opinions among them.  We can't agree
>on how our bikes go around corners, for chrissakes; still you manage to
>perceive us as mindless conformists on this one issue, merely because
>the bulk of us disagree with you.

>The fact that there is a general consensus here that motorcyclists are
>being singled out by hypocritical lawmakers as a highly visible and
>politically vulnerable subculture is a minor miracle, considering the
>contentious nature of the group.  Take it as evidence that all sides
>of the argument have been weighed many times in r.m. (way too many times),
>and your patronizing whining to the contrary appears rather childish.

While there is clearly a (unanimous except for me?) consensus against helmet 
laws in rec.moto, there are diverse reasons given, upon some of which I will 
now comment in my usual patronizing and whining manner:

1. Helmets are dangerous:  these people are idiots

2. Helmet LAWS don't prevent death and serious injury: these people are 
uninformed

3. Helmet laws are just the start in a fiendish plot that will ultimately 
result in confiscation of our motorcycles: these people are afraid to drink 
fluoridated water (shrill persecution complex) 

4. Helmets undoubtedly provide safety benefits, but if I choose not to wear 
one, only I am affected, thus the government shouldn't legislate away the 
choice:  this really has some merit (Boy, I really do sound patronizing,
don't I). Most people who hold this opinion actually wear helmets most of 
the time.

I'm almost persuaded by number 4. Except in states without helmet laws, half 
the riders NEVER wear helmets. Making these riders wear helmets, and thus 
maybe saving a few of them just doesn't seem like such an evil thing to me.

OK, I'll quit whining for another few months. If somebody else would 
occasionally post a pro helmet law article, I'd drop the subject entirely. 
Let me just whine this in my defense: I NEVER initiate one of these threads. 
I'd really rather read about steering head bearings, Aerostitch suits, DoD 
numbers, or the difference between torque and horsepower.

 - Steve - DoD # 1951, COG, HOG, AMA, KotHL?
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
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