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From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate,rec.video.cable-tv,misc.consumers
Subject: Gore Blasts Bush Veto Of Cable Bill
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:26:48 GMT
Organization: NDA


Here is a press release from the Clinton/Gore Campaign

 Gore Blasts Bush Veto Of Cable Bill

   ALBUQUERQUE, N.M., Oct. 3 -- Once again, George Bush 
is trashing consumers to take care of his rich friends in 
the big cable companies, Sen. Al Gore (D-Tenn.) said today.
   Campaigning in New Mexico when the White House announced
thr President's veto of the cable bill that would protect
consumers from skyrocketing cable television rates, a bill
Gore helped write and pass.
   "George Bush has vetoed the most important consumer
legislation of the year all to protect his rich friends in
the cable monopolies," said Gore, a leader in the fight for
the bill and one of its key authors. "Cable television
consumers are getting ripped off and George Bush is giving
the cable monopolies permission to do it."
   Gore urged the Senate to override the President's veto
when it votes on Monday. Gore is expected to return to the
Senate for the vote. The conference report on the bill --
that is, the legislation crafted from the bills passed by
the House and Senate -- passed the Senate on Sept. 22 by an
overwhelming majority.
   The Cable Television Consumer Protection Act would
protect consumers by returning to local authorities the
ability to set rates for basic cable service, require the
FCC to set basic rates in areas where there is no competition
in the industry through new technologies and other steps.
   "Once again, it's clear whose side George Bush is on.
He's standing square with the big cable operators, the
monopolies that have been raising rates and squeezing out
competition. Bill Clinton and I are standing with the
consumers, with the hard working Americans who are tired
of paying more and getting less when it comes to cable
television," said Gore. "George Bush and Dan Quayle want
more of the same -- rates rising faster than inflation for
consumers who are paying more and getting less. It's time
for a change."
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From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
Subject: TV Killfile (was Re: Cable TV Consumer Protection Act of 1992)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:46:57 PDT
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems, Moraga, CA

Excellent idea, and there are plenty of economical ways that such
a signal could be encoded into a TV signal. In fact, external
lock boxes could be sold to pick up on these signal and lock out
offending TV signals with bypass defeating features, all it takes
is to have the service providers add the encoding to the original
signal. In fact, pro-censorship organizations could even pay service
providers to carry their content codes. (let's face it, any rating
recommendations from the 700 clubs could not be considered a public
service)

You have suggested a new market niche. 

While Usenet isn't really a commericial medium, it is within the
boundaries of allowed speech for me to state that designing such
a system is well within my capabilities... and that such a market
might be worth pursuing commercially.

A.Lizard
From: greent@ncs.dnd.ca (Tim Green)
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: Re: Need a CAD package...
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:20:27 GMT
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA

In article <1992Sep27.201339.8809@nmsu.edu> kmorgan@dante.nmsu.edu (Kevin D Morgan) writes:
>I'm trying to find an inexpensive but good CAD program to use at work.
>The main use of the program will be to draw schematic diagrams so I
>don't need anything real fancy (besides, the boss laughed his butt off
>and chuckles to this day when I told him the price of AutoCAD).  I
>need it to have HP plotter drivers and can plot A - D size drawings.
>
>The two programs I have have heard about are Generic CADD 6.0 and
>Autosketch, both by Autodesk.  Will these perform all the same basic
>functions as AutoCAD?  I will, of course, consider any other CAD
>package if there is one.
>
>email kmorgan@nmsu.edu or post a reply.  Thanks

By all means do take a look at Generic CADD 6.0.  It's great for the
application you describe.  It's also been used for such esoteric things
as clothing design and naval archaeology.  It's got some standard
features that are just now being introduced to AutoCAD, but may fall
short in other areas -- it depends on how fancy you need to get.  It'll
drive just about any output device and use just about any mouse or
digitizer (lots of drivers!).  In my opinion, Generic is excellent value
for $, especially in comparison to AutoCAD.

					--TCG (:
Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: kmorgan@dante.nmsu.edu (Kevin D Morgan)
Subject: Need a CAD package...
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:13:39 GMT

I'm trying to find an inexpensive but good CAD program to use at work.
The main use of the program will be to draw schematic diagrams so I
don't need anything real fancy (besides, the boss laughed his butt off
and chuckles to this day when I told him the price of AutoCAD).  I
need it to have HP plotter drivers and can plot A - D size drawings.

The two programs I have have heard about are Generic CADD 6.0 and
Autosketch, both by Autodesk.  Will these perform all the same basic
functions as AutoCAD?  I will, of course, consider any other CAD
package if there is one.

email kmorgan@nmsu.edu or post a reply.  Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: Design CAD, and other low cost packages
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:25:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.232409.2948@wkuvx1.bitnet> millest@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <0crzc6-@rpi.edu>, gilem@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
>> Has anyone had good/bad experiences with DesignCAD.  I am looking for a decnet
>> CAD package to use with my pc, and would like to know what people are most 
>> impressed with. 
>
>	your in luck. i happen to have bought designCAD 2D about 2
>	years ago and i just happened to  not like it. one of the 
>	main reasons that i didn't like it was i learned cad using 
>	AutoCAD and once you use that your hooked. the second reason
>	(there was only two reasons to start with) was that the package 
>	itself was hard to figure out. but again that may have been 
>	from learning AutoCAD.

I happen to think that AutoCAD is a discrace, because it is so over-
rated.  I have used it before, but was sorely disappointed

>
>> I use windows, but there seems to be only limited windows
>> packages out there, and most of the good ones (like Vellum) are extremely 
>> overpriced.  I would be interested in using this for simple CAD drawings 
>> (mechanical and electronic schematics), and this is why the DesignCAD symbol
>> libraries look so good to me.  Are there any other suggestions? 
>
>	check out other cad packages from autodesk or from other
>	companies that they run, like generic software. they have 
>	some pretty good stuff out also.
>

Do you have some more specific names of these packages?

>>  Student pricing would help.
>
>	at the university i go to, you can buy AutoCAD R 11 for around
>	$600 (if your a student) or your can buy designCAd 2d or
>	designCAD 3d for around $59 and $69 approx.

My university carries autocad, but nothing else.  I didn't know you could
get design cad for this cheap, I'll have to call them about it.

 
 Mike
 gilem@rpi.edu
 
 


Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: gilem@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Design CAD, and other low cost packages
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:58:07 GMT

Has anyone had good/bad experiences with DesignCAD.  I am looking for a decnet
CAD package to use with my pc, and would like to know what people are most 
impressed with.  I use windows, but there seems to be only limited windows
packages out there, and most of the good ones (like Vellum) are extremely 
overpriced.  I would be interested in using this for simple CAD drawings 
(mechanical and electronic schematics), and this is why the DesignCAD symbol
libraries look so good to me.  Are there any other suggestions?  Student 
pricing would help.

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu
From: stevecas@justdoit.corp.sgi.com (Stephen Caswell)
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: Re: CAD for 3-Dimensional Medical Models
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:35:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <sJR4qB1w165w@finlay.Gwinnett.COM>, wmf@finlay.Gwinnett.COM (Mark Finlay) writes:
|> I would appreciate any help in finding a commerical CAD package
|> for the production of three-dimensional models of internal human
|> organs, specifically those of the abdominal cavity.
|> 
|> My preferences are for :
|>   1) A DOS and/or Windows 3.1 based package
|>   2) True 3-dimensional creation/editing,i.e., the appropriate
|>      polygonal description can be extracted
|>   3) A well-documented file format with, preferably, an already
|>      existing C/C++ library to read the files for use by
|>      an external application program.
|>   4) A solid rendering capability, though this is not essential
|> 
|> Most of the packages I have seen are, of course, geared entirely
|> towards mechanical/drafting applications.  Here, I wish to generate
|> much more amorphous shapes and so would like to have the capability
|> to do as much smooth three-dimensional curve shaping as possible.
|> 
|> Any help or leads any one can provide will be greatly appreciated.
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|>         Mark Finlay

I realize that you are looking for CAD software that will run on DOS or WINDOWS, however if you have any interest in (or have heard about) an Iris Indigo (made by Silicon Graphics), then you may want to take a look at ARRIS (by Sigma), Sonata (by Alias) or AutoCAD (by Autodesk).  ARRIS and Sonata are excellent design packages with very good 3-D solid generation & rendering tools.  AutoCAD Release 11 is running on the Indigo, with Release 12 expected to be ported by early '93 (possibly by Dec. '92).  We are









 currently using ARRIS in our Facilities department and are expecting to be up on AutoCAD by the time Release 12 is ported.

There are also some very powerful 3-D modeling/visualizing packages for the Indigo specifically designed for the medical field.  Alias writes powerful animation software (their software generated graphics for Terminator 2, etc.) and may also write molecular modeling, etc. software as well.



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From: millest@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: Re: Design CAD, and other low cost packages
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:24:09 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <0crzc6-@rpi.edu>, gilem@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
> Has anyone had good/bad experiences with DesignCAD.  I am looking for a decnet
> CAD package to use with my pc, and would like to know what people are most 
> impressed with. 

	your in luck. i happen to have bought designCAD 2D about 2
	years ago and i just happened to  not like it. one of the 
	main reasons that i didn't like it was i learned cad using 
	AutoCAD and once you use that your hooked. the second reason
	(there was only two reasons to start with) was that the package 
	itself was hard to figure out. but again that may have been 
	from learning AutoCAD.

> I use windows, but there seems to be only limited windows
> packages out there, and most of the good ones (like Vellum) are extremely 
> overpriced.  I would be interested in using this for simple CAD drawings 
> (mechanical and electronic schematics), and this is why the DesignCAD symbol
> libraries look so good to me.  Are there any other suggestions? 

	check out other cad packages from autodesk or from other
	companies that they run, like generic software. they have 
	some pretty good stuff out also.

>  Student pricing would help.

	at the university i go to, you can buy AutoCAD R 11 for around
	$600 (if your a student) or your can buy designCAd 2d or
	designCAD 3d for around $59 and $69 approx.
> 
> Mike
> gilem@rpi.edu
> 
> 
>
	
	the only real way you can be sure of a cad package is to try 
	it yourself. who knows, you may end up liking designCAd.

	stu   		millest@wkuvx1.bitnet

Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: "joe labonte" <joe.labonte@canrem.com>
Subject: concurrent engineerin
Reply-To: "joe labonte" <joe.labonte@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:06:37 EST


ME>I am looking for software which will facilitate computer-aided concurrent
ME>engineering.  I am looking for software which will support knowledge
ME>sharing and distributed design among various subprocesses.  Has anyone come
ME>across such software?

Hi Matt,

Autocad R11 & R12 have started to implement concurrent engineering though
locked externally reference blocks.  The concurrent engineering need to be
of distinguishable difference that tow or more stations would not be
fighting for that same entity. The changes from one station are not update
on all other stations until requested or until starting a new sessions.

Good luck , I hope that this helps.  I too an interested in this.


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From: sasbge@unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston)
Newsgroups: alt.cad,misc.consumers.house
Subject: IMSI Turbocad rel 2. Reviews wanted
Keywords: IMSI, turbocad, cad
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:50:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


I'm looking for any comments, suggestions, warnings, praises for
TURBOCAD from IMSI.  I'm wanting to design a new house and the price
($99.95) seems attractive.  I'm aware of some other CAD packages
for IBM clones that cost many times this figure but my budget doesn't
allow for them.  Please post or email back with any info you can
provide on the above product.

BTW, I basically want to create 2D and 3D (wire-frame) sketches that
could pass to give to an architectual engineer to produce a working
drawing.  I also need to be able to convert my work into DXF format.

The $99 price includes TURBOCAD, the 3D module, Home Designer, Office
and Home Furniture symbols, Flowcharts and Schedules and a DXF conversion
program.  Some of the advertised features of TurboCad are:

Pull down menus, 8 different tutorials, Context sensitive help, Grids,
rubberbanding and 3 cursor types, 256 line thickness and 18 snap modes,
windowing, filleting and hatching, scale or rotate and easy group selection,
linear, radial or array coping, several text fonts, polygons and ellipses,
definable line and arrow types, orthogonal mode, X/Y scaling, automatic
dimensioning, break line and gravity point, 128 layers and pan & zoom.


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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Re: Question: AutoCAD 11 with 486/50, Numonics 2200 digitizer
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:22:00 GMT

J.Huang (jhuang@aludra.usc.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	I've been using AutoCAD 11 with 386/33MHz and Numonics 2200 24x36 
: 	digitizer with no problem until upgrading the system to 486/50. 
: 	The crosshair of the digitizer wouldn't move to the left half of 
: 	the screen. The top menu could not be accessed either.
: 
: 	AutoCAD and Numonics are both of no help. Just wonder if anyone else
: 	had the same problem before. 
: 
: 	I've test the com port and the digitizer board. Both are fine.
: 
: 	Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
: 
: 
: 	Jay
: 


	You may have already tried this but here goes:

	You may need to redefine the tablet configuration or you may be
	working with a "corrupted" copy of your menu.  If the menu you have is
	not a custom menu try re-loading it from the install disk.  If it is
	a custom menu try to find an old copy of it and re-load it.  Other-
	wise try to redefine the tablet configuration using the "TABLET"
	command inside AutoCAD; then choosing the CFG option and follow the
	command prompts from there.  You may need to get out the manual to
	help you in defining the number of columns and rows to set up.


						Hope this helps,


						Kevin Dailey

	
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:25:21 EDT
From:         Francesco Casalino <NIC2@IBACISEC.CSATA.IT>

I am an AUTOCAD user, researcher at the University of Bari (Italy).
I carry out cartographical applications aimed at the study of territory,
by the development of thematic maps, resulting from the integration of
AUTOCAD with other softwares of spatial statistics.
I have known of your activity by e-Mail, and I am interested
in it so I wold be glad to take part in your discussions,sure  that this
could be useful in solving problems of common interest.
My address is the following.

FRANCESCO CASALINO
CENTRO INTERDIPARTIMENTALE DI CALCOLO AUTOMATICO
UNIVERSITA DEGLI STUDI BARI
From: wolf@Autodesk.COM (Wolf Herda)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Does AutoCAD 386 r12 run in a DOS window under Microsoft Windows?
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:09:18 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

clarke@xerxes.trl.OZ.AU (simon clarke) writes:
<> Apparently AutoCAD r12 can run in a DOS session under Windows. Does anybody
<> know whether it needs to run full screen or can it run in a window?
<> 
<> 
<> Simon Clarke.
<> internet: s.clarke@trl.oz.au

Yes it does, as a full screen DOS application under Windows 3.1.  You'll
also need the Phar Lap Windows device driver "pharlap.386".  This is covered
in the R12 Installation Guide.



Wolf Herda
wolf@autodesk.com
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: John Austin <jea1@Cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: need an autosave, possible?
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21: 28:54 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jea1@cornell.edu
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:21:21 GMT

In article <Bv9t0p.5Kv@world.std.com> Why Linux? Why Not?,
jgifford@world.std.com writes:
>At work, there is an effort to incorporate an autosave feature into autocad
>release 11 on our novell netware 3.11 lan.  We have had over a dozen network 

Two possible solutions:

1) Upgrade to r12.  Autosave is built-in. Besides, you can view and plot .dwgs
from non-liscensed nodes on the net, I think.  Other network niceties are
included, as well.
2) Check out CADmagic from Haestad Methods (800-727-6555) (under $100).  Lets
you add an autosave, has a nice text editor, selection set chooser, other
swell stuff.
3) There may be some autolisp out there to help you out. Don't know where, tho.

Good luck.


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From: slindsay@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steve Lindsay)
Subject: 24 bit video card For Sale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:51:50 GMT


For Sale Hercules Graphic Station +2 video Card.  Great for CAD and 
graphic applications.  
     Processor is a TI 34010, 60 Mhz.  
     VGA is built in
     1 Mb VRAM
     2 Mb DRAM
     Software Drivers Included,  Windows 3.1 in 24 bit, AutoCad, 
          3D Studio and AutoShade in 24 bit
     Continued support for latest Software drivers through Hercules BBS
     Comes in original box with manuals included

Price through mail order ad in Oct. 1992 Cadence mag. page 126 is $682
I will take $350 or make a offer.