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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:39:39 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Of cabbages and kings....
              20 Aug 1992 09:24:08 -0500 from <mlove@UX1.CSO.UIU C.EDU>

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:24:08 -0500 <mlove@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU> said:
>I always thought that the 3 Bs was a later corruption of the 3
>Ps--Pachelbel, Palestrina, and Purcell.
>
Oh, heck, how about the 3 G's:  Gabrieli, Gesualdo, Guami, and Gibbons?
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From:         Marion Diamond <med@LINGUA.CLTR.UQ.OZ.AU>
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The book mentioned by Thomas Beaudoin, 'What is History Today' (ed. ) Julia
Gardiner, is based on a series of articles published in History Today.
I'm just telling you this in case your library gets the journal, but
doesn't have the book.
Marion Diamond
med@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:43:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Of cabbages and kings....

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:59:28 EDT Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
> Mozart makes a much better saint than Elvis.
>
> Lenny

Not for Bubba.

Denis Paz
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:43:19 PDT
From:         bob pasker <bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA.US>
Subject:      d'israeli (was Re: Colombus Jewish?)
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>the early 19th century. His son, Benjamin Disraeli, needs
>no identification.

and his son was also a christian: a quarrel between papa isaac and
the synagogue led to his having baptised his children.

>Anglo-Jewry was primarily Sephardic in makeup until the
>beginning of Ashkenazi immigration in the 1880s.

although pre-1880s jewery was comprised of both, ahistorical rumors
notwithstanding.

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May I intrude on the discussion of Elvis' saintly status?

The recent exchanges reminded me that when I was in Poland at the end of
1984, just after the lifting of martial law, I was in the crowded office
of a Polish publisher of art and film books.  There was just enough space
to move among the four desks.  The only typewriter was a powder blue
manual portable of uncertain vintage.  On all of the walls were posters and
memorabilia of -- naturally -- Elvis.

Cal Pryluck                               <PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Dept of Radio-Television-Film             <PRYLUCK@TEMPLEVM>
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA 19122                    voice (215) 247-9663
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:13:00 EST
From:         RATH@BRANDEIS.BITNET
Subject:      Moroccan leather?(was re:columbus Jewish)

Lynn,
Do you have any more information on the Sephardic involvement in the
bookbinding and leather crafts?  My ubnderstanding was that the fine
leathers used were not Moroccan, but sub-Saharan, which the Moroccans
traded for...I am curious as to "who says who did what" among
the Moroccans, SubSaharan Africans and the Sephardic Jews...Ive only
heard this stuff spoken of in passing, not read anything, and find it
interesting.
Best,
Rich Rath
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:15:38 CDT
From:         Lynn <LHNELSON@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The B's knees (was "Cabbages..")
              20 Aug 1992 08:11:54 -0400 from <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>

Hello, Agnes;

Ah, Musical Mathematics! More recondite than a semiotic analysis of
_Finnegan's Wake_. Wait just a moment while I find my fingers and doff
one shoe. There!

Bach (Johann Sebastian, Karl Philipp Emanuel, and Johann Christian) makes
three. Beethoven, 4; Brahms, 5; Bartok, 6; Bruebeck, 7 -- but he was a trio
the first time I heard him at the Hangover many years ago, so 9, but a
quintet later that evening at the Downbeat, so eleven. I once heard him as
an octet, but that was probably an optical allusion (yes, Christopher,
intentional). :-)

Which reminds me of a friend who went to a concert in which he sat so close
to the orchestra that his seat actually vibrated in concert with the music
(no, not that one). He said that he actually felt Bach's din. (that one)

Lynn
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:59:28 EDT
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Of cabbages and kings....
              19 Aug 1992 10:35:00 EDT from <DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET>

Mozart makes a much better saint than Elvis.

Lenny
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:11:11 CDT
From:         LHNELSON --UKANVM <LHNELSON@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Of cabbages and kings....

Hello, Bob and Agnes;

I am shocked! Trying to say that The Three B's are Bach, Beethoven, Brahms,
Bartok, and Brubeck when that makes at least eleven (or nine, depending on how
 you look at it).

Osborne is a weak reed to rest your case upon. Osborne doesn't list the
great Albert von Tilzer either, but I would wager that the works of
Ernest Ball and Albert von Tilzer have been performed more often than
all of your eleven (or nine) "Three B's" put together.

Lynn

Lynn_Nelson
Department of History
University of Kansas
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:37:21 CST
From:         "James W. Brodman" <JIMB@VM1.UCA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Columbus Jewish?
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As I recall, the "leave or convert" era in Castile lasted for only a few months
after the 31 March 1492 signing of the Edict of Granada by Ferdinand and Isabel
la. There were, of course, those who became New Christians after the anti-Jewis
h rioting of 1391, but that seems to be more the result of "popular" or "mob" p
ressure than royalist policy. Indeed, historians like Norman Roth at Wisconsin
have argued that even the 1492 edict of expulsion caught the Jewish community c
ompletely by surprise, thus arguing that this was a new, late-15th century poli
cy of the monarchy and without medieval antecedants. Thus, this line of argumen
t would seem completely irrelevant to the Columbus discussion.

Jim Brodman
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:41:41 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Dan Quayle, Wisdom of
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              18, 92 11:34 pm

Anne - If you do get it - could you post it for hte rest of us? THANX.
AK
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:50:42 -0500
From:         Carolyn Schriber <SCHRIBER@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Basic Training

On historiography and methodology, you might want to take a look at the
following.  Its short, well-written, and directed at beginning students:

Mark T. Gilderhus, _History ane Historians: A Historiographical Introduction_
(Prentice-Hall, 1987), ISBN0-13-390097-5.

Carolyn Schriber
Rhodes College
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:29:53 MSZ
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> AND WHAT ABOUT BIBER?  32wheeler@cua.bitnet
Unknown command -- "AND". Try HELP.


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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:00:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Of cabbages and kings....

The Three Bs are Chuck Berry, James Brown, and B.B. King.

Denis Paz
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:10:16 PDT
From:         bob pasker <bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA.US>
Subject:      the *real* b's
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bliss, barber, and bob marley.

- bob
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:42:43 PDT
From:         bob pasker <bob@HALFDOME.SF.CA.US>
Subject:      hi, i'm back
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hi folks, i've been gone for most of the summer, but i'm back now and
i look forward to mo' history.

i'm looking for a few good books on general 19th century american history
for background information.  most of the stuff i've seen is periodic:
war of 1812, ante-bellum, CW, gilded age, etc.  the one exception is
william l. barney, _The Passage of the  Republic: An interdisciplinary
History of Nineteenth-Century America_ (Lexington, Mass., D.C. Heath:
1987), which is quite good.  any more suggestions?

thanks!

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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:32:00 EST
From:         ekfriedm@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject: Re: Columbus Jewish?
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Denis says:

>But Columbus's immediate family was from Genoa, not Spain.

     I've read at least one article (can't recall the source here at
     work) that supposed that Columbus' family may have left Spain
     during Christopher's childhood, owing to persecution, and that he
     returned as an adult, his non-Catholic origins well obscured.

     Eliot
     ekfriedm@thama1.apgea.army.mil
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:25:06 -0400
From:         32WHEELER@CUA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Of cabbages and kings....

Lenny,
        The "King" phenomenon has facinated me for some time.  Considering
the reletivly recient establishment of a strict and formalized method for
"recognizing" saints in the Roman Catholic church, we would be harkening back
to those happy days when the people decided who the real saints were.  O.K
so some of them may never have actually existed, but isn't the thought that
counts?  It seems to me that St. Elvis is nearly there by acclaimation already--
although a miracle or two would help.


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From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA (Agnes Kruchio)
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Date: 20 Aug 92 02:30:04 GMT
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              "DGPAZ%CLEMSON.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Aug 19, 92 6:43 pm

>
> Denis Paz
> dgpaz@clemson.bitnet writes>

>
> On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:59:28 EDT Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
> > Mozart makes a much better saint than Elvis.
> >
> > Lenny
>
> Not for Bubba.

As in "Bubba" Haydn?
Agnes
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:55:34 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: list of conflicts
              14 Aug 1992 15:24:01 -0400 from <adler@RISC1.ACC.U RI.EDU>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:24:01 -0400 Allan Adler said:
>Does someone know of a list of all of the ongoing armed conflicts in the
>world today? I think Diane Sawyer said that there are about 24 wars going
>on at the moment.
>
>I have no doubt that there are some people on this list who could write
>such a list off the tops of their heads.
>
Depends on your definition of "armed conflict" vs. "war".  A few years ago
James Dunnigan listed about 100 of the former going on, although a good many
were pretty low-grade: 4 or 5 in the USA, for example, most of which even a
reasonably well-informed citizen would probably not know about.  One of his
points at the time was that there was a continuum of armed actions going on
in which the old definitions of war made little sense.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:48:08 CDT
From:         Humor Impaired <MEDS002@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Basic Training

Dear HISTORY brain trust:

I have been feeling a need lately to plunge into the mighty waters of histori-
cal methodology. Anyone care to recommend to me (privately, of course) some
basic and/or classic texts in h.m. with which one should begin? Thanks in
advance...

A.J. Wright
Anesthesiology Library
School of Medicine
University of Alabama at Birmingham
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Subject: Re: Basic Training
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:35:32 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


	More basic training:

there's an excellent book that just came out (1992) called "What Is History
Today" edited by Julia Gardiner.  I will look up the publishing co. when i 
get home.   The book contains several essays on such themes as "What is
History of Science?", "What is History of Religion?", "What is 
Economic History?", "What is Women's History?" ..etc ...
	I am using this book for the International Baccalaureate history 
students in my high school classes.


Thomas Beaudoin
Lee's Summit High School
Lee's Summit, MO


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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:45:08 CDT
From:         Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Elvis
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	For those interested in Elvis, a good book to consult is
Patsy Guy Hammontree, _Elvis Presley: A Bio-Bibliography_ (Westport, CT:
Greenwood Press, 1985). Albert Goldman's _Elvis_ is very obviously
biased.
	Elvis was a product of Mississippi culture (Memphis, in many
ways, is still a north Mississippi town even though it is across the
border in Tennessee). Mississippians, of whatever genetic or ethnic
group, have long borrowed language and music from one another. Musicians,
in general, borrow from each other regularly. Fats Domino, for example,
covered an earlier version of "My Blue Heaven."
	Charlie Gillette, _Sound of the City_ is a good general history
of rock'n'roll; he deals with the issue of the music of most black
musicians not being played on "white" radio stations.
	An excellent videotape is "Rock and Roll: The Early Days,"
produced by Archive Film Production.
	My article in the _Business History Review_ (Summer, 1990) on
Ace Records also deals with this issue.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:48:00 EDT
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The 3B's

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:43:47 EDT Jim Cocks
<JACOCK01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> said:
>  Buxtehude is not commonly performed but he had an enormous influence

When I was an undergraduate at North Texas State University,
Buxtehude, or Buxtehudebaby as the music majors called him,
was very popular as played by E. Power Biggs, or E. Bower Piggs as
the music majors called him.

Denis Paz
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:16:16 CDT
From:         Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Of cabbages and kings....
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	Are there any musicologists on this list? I suspect that they
would say that borrowing in music is done by most musicians.
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Subject:      "On the first anniversary..."

        Well, if what is happening in what used to be Yugoslavia is any guide,
it seems like a good time read up on the expansion of the Russian Empire under
the Tsars into all those states which are breaking away, and also on how they
were dealt with during their years in the union. Anyone have any suggestions
on bilbliography for those of us whose C19-C20 Russian history is a little
thin in the "nationalities" question? (So that we don't make total idiots
out of ourselves with unsupported assertions..)

        Mike Cosgrave
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In Message Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:27:00 PST,
  "Sally Hambridge, SC1-2, 765-2931" <HAMBRIDGE@SC.INTEL.COM> writes:

>Dear Editors and Publishers of Electronic Journals:
>
> Please take the time to answer the following questions.  I have an
>interest in finding if there are any similarities in the data from such
>disparate communities as you all represent.  Note that I am not asking
>for information about your subscribers or contributors beyond numbers of
>each.  If there is sufficient interest in the results, I will summarize for
>the list.
>
>Thanks,
>Sally
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>                          EDITOR/PUBLISHER SURVEY
>
>
>1) How many people are on your subscription list?  About 500.
>
>
>2) How large do you think your readership is?  Somewhat larger since some
subscribers are law libraries (and others) who distribute the journal to
their faculty.
>(If, for example, your subscription list includes libraries, do you have a
>way of estimating that audience?)
>
>
>3) How many articles do you publish per issue?  My journal is a book review
journal (Law and Politics Book Review).  I publish as many reviews as I
receive each month.  Each month is designated as one "issue".  The number
varies from one to eight.
>
>
>4) How many articles are submitted for consideration for each issue?  I
commission reviews rather than publish unsolicited ones.  However, we shall
begin publishing responses and perhaps some unsolicited (but reviewed)
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>
>
>5) In general, are the people who submit articles on your subscription
>list?  Could you estimate a percentage of how many are on the subscription
>list?  See above.
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From:         Tim Arnold <arnold@STAT.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Corporate sponsorship?
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Of course I know the net can't be used for _commercial_ purposes, but
there still seems to be room for questions:

IF the Public Broadcasting System can accept corporate donations and
put a trailer at the end of a "sponsored" show, like "brought to you
by the Mobile Corporation" (or whatever),

THEN can an electronic journal do essentially the same thing with
"sponsored" articles or even issues?

I'm not trying to find a loophole, but I guess I'm not
even sure about what the spirit of the law is.

Thanks in advance,
Tim Arnold
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From:         John Saylor <john_saylor@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Two Issn's for one ejournal
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  Subject:      Two Issn's for one ejournal
As a member of Cornell University's task force on electronic journals, we have
come across two ejournals that seem to have more than one issn assigned to them

The  ISSN for BMCR  according to  RLIN's DCLC record:

Bryn Mawr classical review [computer file]. -- Bryn Mawr, PA : Bryn Mawr
   College and University of Pennsylvania,

  ISSN 1063-2948
  LCCN: sn925511
  ID: DCLCSN925511-S              CC: 9550       DCF: a
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DCLC (c-9550 DLC)

The list published on VPIEJ-L gives 1055-7660. The Directory of Ejournals...
2nd ed also gives the 1055-7660 number.

I also found two numbers for Psycoloquy:

Psycoloquy. -- [Washington, D.C. : American Psychological Association,

  ISSN 1055-0143
  LCCN: sn911698
  ID: DCLCSN911698-S              CC: 9550       DCF: a
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DCLC (c-9550 DLC)

RLIN say's the above while the other two lists say 1044-0143.

Does anyone know what is going on?

 John Saylor
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 Cornell University
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