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From: patc@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Pat Caldon)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Classical Studies
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:31:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.123112.9473@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>Work through an introductory course first. If you don't mind a course aimed
>basically at kids, the Cambridge Latin Course is thorough and presents pretty
>straightforward sentences in logical order. A reasonbly intelligent person
>ought to be ale to zip through it fairly quickly and be left with a good
>impression of what Latin is all about. It got me almost up to O level, so I
>would say that, wouldn't I!
>

Another one to try would be the "Reading Latin" by Peter Jones, which is
designed (I believe) for mature age students.  It gets onto the tougher
stuff earlier than the CLC and is (IMHO) better for that reason. Also it got
me through my HSC, probably a greater achivement. :^)

enjoy,
Pat.


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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: sci.classics
Subject: Re: Quackery? Re: Greek words of Semitic Origin
Date: 11 Oct 92 10:35:16 GMT
Distribution: sci,world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Oct9.170654.27402@athena.cs.uga.edu>, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.130752.612@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>
>>There are many thousands of words appearing in Mozeson's THE WORD: THE
>>DICTIONARY THAT REVEALS THE HEBREW SOURCE OF ENGLISH, ISBN 0-933503-44-X.
>>Shapolsky Publishers, 136 West 22nd Street, New York NY 10011
>
> Yes, but since the non-Hebrew origin of English is very well established,
> does he conclusively refute it?  Or is this the work of a crank?
> (If he merely points out lots of similar words, all he is doing is
> finding coincidences.)
>
>
>
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Coincidences ?? THOUSANDS of them ??


Mozeson is in comparative linguistics. The theory of monogenesis of languages
was recently reviewed in Scientific American and in The Sciences (of the NY
Academy of Sciences).

I happen to be in internal medicine but my father, now retired, formerly taught
German philology at Yale and Columbia. At first he thought THE WORD was totally
absurd until he read the book a second and third time :-)  He was amazed to
come up with dozens of words with Hebrew roots. Obviously you need a very
strong background in Hebrew language to comprehend what Mozeson has  found.

Anyone with a good background in Hebrew who scans the list of
proto-Indo-European roots in the back of the American Heritage Dictionary can
easily come up with many Hebrew roots.

I realize that this may be embarassing to classical scholars but the evidence
is *there*. If you have a very good background in Hebrew, read the book at
least twice.


Josh

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL



Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Classical Studies
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:02:23 GMT

In <Bw4EqG.2yo@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

>From article <1992Oct13.123112.9473@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk:
>> In article <jester.718912979@crash.cts.com>, jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb) writes:
>> 
>>> Caesar	Gallic Wars
>>> Xenophon Anabasis
>> 
>> These are what all schoolboys used to have to read, so I suspect they're easy.

>Yes both would be fine, they are easy - but avoid the bit where Caesar
>builds a bridge, that's murder. I inflict Cornelius Nepos on my

Did Nepos do multiple works?  Heck, why am I asking the net?  I'll look
this one up in the library :)

On a related note, which is usually taught first to English speakers, Latin
or Greek?  Or are they usually taught simultaneously?
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Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: koine = new testament?
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:58:25 GMT

Thanks to all who explained koine to me!

Any suggestions where I could find a Greek NT?  Are all of them in Koine?
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Newsgroups: sci.classics
From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: akropolin vs akropolis
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:40:22 GMT

Before I stop the Greek and begin concentrating on Latin (I was told to
learn Latin first), there is one thing that's bugging me.

In a text I was working on, I noticed that a lot of names end with n instead
of s (the English shows the name with an s).  Akropolin is an example of this.
I assume that this is a word ending that shows what kind of a noun we're
dealing with, but I haven't figured out where the grammar section is
that deals with this (yet).

Is my theory correct?  If so, is Akropolin Dative?
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.classics,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Quackery? Re: Greek words of Semitic Origin
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:26:58 GMT
Distribution: sci,world
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct11.103516.621@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

>>>[someone writes:]
>>>There are many thousands of words appearing in Mozeson's THE WORD: THE
>>>DICTIONARY THAT REVEALS THE HEBREW SOURCE OF ENGLISH, ISBN 0-933503-44-X.
>>>Shapolsky Publishers, 136 West 22nd Street, New York NY 10011

>>[and then Michael A. Covington writes:]
>> Yes, but since the non-Hebrew origin of English is very well established,
>> does he conclusively refute it?  Or is this the work of a crank?
>> (If he merely points out lots of similar words, all he is doing is
>> finding coincidences.)
>
>Coincidences ?? THOUSANDS of them ??

  It's been done.  The idea is to accept any similarity of sound,
  rather than settling on any regular sound rules.  If you do that,
  you can prove any language is "related" to any other.

>Mozeson is in comparative linguistics. The theory of monogenesis of languages
>was recently reviewed in Scientific American and in The Sciences (of the NY
>Academy of Sciences).

  Yes, but monogenesis is not "Hebrew origin of English."  It's monogenesis
  from a hypothetical ancestor that predates Proto-Semitic, Proto-Into-
  European, Proto-Sino-Tibetan, etc. 

>Anyone with a good background in Hebrew who scans the list of
>proto-Indo-European roots in the back of the American Heritage Dictionary can
>easily come up with many Hebrew roots.

Yes, but do you also come up with putative regular sound changes, or do
you just come up with random similarities?  Sounds in languages don't
change randomly.

On basic comparative linguistics see any of the standard textbooks.
The nature of (phonological) language change is very well understood and
is not haphazard.  

I don't know what the "Hebrew origin of English" book claims, but I'd
like to see it reviewed by an expert historical linguist.  (I have a
fair bit of training in historical linguistics but will gladly defer
to those with more knowledge than myself.)

I'm adding "sci.lang" to the newsgroups line in the hope that a historical
linguist will respond.  I took many of the historical linguistics courses
at Yale but it wasn't my specialty.

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From: adjg@sour.sw.oz.au (Andrew Gollan)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Classical Studies (Don't use Cambridge Latin)
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:15:36 GMT

In <1992Oct13.123112.9473@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

|In article <jester.718912979@crash.cts.com>, jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb) writes:
|> Caesar	Gallic Wars
|> Xenophon Anabasis
|These are what all schoolboys used to have to read, so I suspect they're easy.

Easy-ish, but boring as all hell. You end up with all sorts of military
vocabulary which prepares you for further military historians, if that's
what turns you on. These works are regarded as the _pain_ we must suffer
on the way to classical languages, but in my opinion turn many people off.
Read something a little harder but interesting to keep your morale high...

|> I plan on reading these after I'm done with these intro texts.  Should I be
|> doing them concurrently?  (I've previously read the Homer and Xenophon in
|> translation, but would prefer to read it in the original.)
|> 
|You won't be able to read them unless you can already read fairly fluently.
|Work through an introductory course first. If you don't mind a course aimed
|basically at kids, the Cambridge Latin Course is thorough and presents pretty
|straightforward sentences in logical order. A reasonbly intelligent person
|ought to be ale to zip through it fairly quickly and be left with a good
|impression of what Latin is all about. It got me almost up to O level, so I
|would say that, wouldn't I!

Here I have to disagree violently. Two features of the Cambridge
Latin Course make it unsuitable for private study. It is designed
to be taught, and is _not_ self-explanatory; teacher input is
essential to its (in my opinion, limited, success). It is part of the
1970's movement with grammar avoidance, and so does not prepare you for
further reading of grammatical texts. I also think it just doesn't work!
I suffered through it at school, and feel in retrospect (I am now studying
the classics at University) I was hampered and not helped by this course.
I had a _brilliant_ teacher who supplemented the Cambridge material from the
start, which is what saved us.

I strongly recommend "The Approach to Latin" parts 1 and 2 by
Paterson & McNaughton, published by Oliver & Boyd for self-study.
They are thorough if repetitive, and nothing is kept hidden. Oddly
enough the other strong recommendation is the "Teach Yourself Latin"
by Gavin Betts, Hodder & Stoughton which despite the title is a very
good book indeed, aimed at self-study by adults.
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Newsgroups: sci.classics
From:  ()
Subject: Re: On-line Latin Corpora
Followup-To: sci.classics
Organization: Nullus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:40:16 GMT

In article <11003@mcpherson.ed.ac.uk>, marke@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Mark Ellison)
wrote:
> 
> 
> Do any of you fine classical netlanders know where I might find
> ftpable corpora of Latin texts (not dictionaries)?
> University of Edinburgh

Well, since you are on that side of the Atlantic, you might look into the
Oxford Text Archive. They have quite a few holdings. You'll need acces
through the Oxford University system, but that shouldn't be a problem. To
get things started try sending a note to;

	          archive@vax.ox.ac.uk

and request the electronic list of holdings. They will give you
instructions and holdings. Hopefully you will find what you need.

Mike Martin
aardvark@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov
From: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Re: Electric Car summary
Keywords: forget it
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:01:19 GMT
Reply-To: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Organization: lbl
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.154

In article <1992Oct15.080450.34@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
writes:
|> In article <1992Oct14.154836.2290@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
|> writes:
|> >
|> >It seems that in the near future electric cars (ZEVs) will fit into
|> >niche markets.  The two car family could have 1 ic car and
|> >1 ZEV for taking the kids to school and going to the market.  I
|> >don't think their proponents see them replacing ic cars in the
|> >short-term.  The ZEV law in California gives a boost to research
|> >and helps to define the niche.
|> 
|> Of course it pretty much says "screw you" to the *1* car family.
|> Buying a second car for a niche use is an economic hardship for
|> many, and a waste of resources for all.
|> 
|> Gary

Under current conditions this may be true.  What I would suggest is a
future in which rental cars are much more widely available.
People could have 'frequent driver' cards, like credit cards, that allow
them to get a car with just the card and some other ID at any time of day.
The idea would be to make getting a car not much more difficult than buying
gas.

Under this system, many people would have no internal combustion car,
either having an electric car, cart, bike, and/or feet.
I certainly realize that currently, renting cars is not nearly so quick
or easy.  This would also help the *0* car families, even without
non-IC cars.

The principle is to take a situation (cars) which have high fixed and
low variable costs, and change it to one with low fixed and higher
variable costs.

Bruce Nordman
B_Nordman@lbl.gov
From: egn@sinix.UUCP (Hr.Naepflein/PHILOS)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Re: "efficiency" of AC and heating
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:16:05 GMT
Organization: PHILOSYS Software Gmbh, Unterschleissheim, Germany

In article <13114@ntdd-1> meier@Software.Mitel.COM (Rolf Meier) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.100946.6278@sinix.UUCP> egn@sinix.UUCP (Hr.Naepflein/PHILOS) writes:
>
>>That's true, but electricity is often used for purposes for which it
>>isn't necessary. Why using it for AC and heating? The total efficiency
>>is very low, because the efficiency of generating power is very low.
>
>Electricity is efficient for air conditioning for the same reason that
>heat pumps are efficient.  For a given unit of electric energy, a heat
>pump can move 2 to 3 times the amount of heat, depending on the
>temperature differential.
>
It's true, that you get 2 to 3 times the amount of heat, but you
used a lot more "primary energy". Let's do a comparision of different
methods of generating heat for houses:

1. Electricity for heating
   For 100 % Primary energy you  get only 33 % electrical energy.
   With 3 % transmission and 5 % storage losses you get only 25 %
   in your home. You can generate 100 % heat with that, so you
   get only 25 % as heat.

2. Conventional heating with oil or gas
   For 100 % Primary energy you get 80 % heat. With newer high
   low temperature ovens you can get more than 90 %.

3. Electric heat pump
   The electricity generation efficiency is the same as above.
   33 % - 3 % transmission losses equals 30 % efficiency. With
   With an effecivity of 2 you get 90 % of your original primary
   energy as heat. Not bad, but not much better than conventional
   heating.

4. Natural gas or Diesel heat pump
   With 100 % primary energy a good diesel motor generates 35 %
   mechanical energy with that and the excess heat of the motor 
   you can get 185 % of your original primary energy as heat.
   Keep in mind that this kind of heat pump is much more efficient,
   because it isn't necessary pump up the temprerature the full
   amount to 70 C. The heat pump has only to reach about 40 C,
   the rest is provided by the excess heat of the motor.

>Agreed that resistance heating is not particularly efficient.
>
See above.

>However, in the end it all depends on your definition of "efficient".
>

Yes that's true. In this case I define efficient as, getting as
much as possible heat or cold from a given amount of "polluting"
primary energy.

  
>________________________________________________________________________
>Rolf Meier					Mitel Corporation

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From: daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Re: DC->AC
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:32:01 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems

In article <1910029@hpspkla.spk.hp.com>, borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) writes:
|>  On the other end, silicon thyristors (SCR's) are used as
|> switches to convert the DC back to AC.

Ahem!

SCR's are silicon controlled rectifiers. I suspect that thyristors (thermally controlled
resistors) are not used as switches.

Picky, picky, picky!

Daryl
Newsgroups: sci.energy
From: jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger)
Subject: Re: DC->AC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:23:13 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <15011@auspex-gw.auspex.com> daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr) writes:
>
>Ahem!

I'll see that and raise you a "Harrumph!".

>SCR's are silicon controlled rectifiers. I suspect that thyristors (thermally controlled
>resistors) are not used as switches.
>

 Thyristors are a family of multilayer devices (4+) including SCRs, TRIACs,
GTOs and recently MCTs (MOS controlled thyristors). Their primary uses are
in power control and conversion.

 Thermistors are resistors with large temperature coefficients, negative or
positive.

 
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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Re: solar products
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:57:53 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct8.015658.2280@merrimack.edu> nin15b63@merrimack.edu (THE WOLF) writes:
>Are solar batteries still in the good idea stage or are they a practical
>product?

If they were practical, you could buy them at your local hardware store.
Therefore, no.

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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Re: Windpower -> Savonius vs. Prop.
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:34:02 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <Bw7xqC.76o@Novell.COM> steve_olson@npd.novell.com writes:
>Does anyone have any experience with the Savonius rotor as a power
>source? I read
>an old article n The Mother Earth News that described the Savonius Rotor
>as more
>efficient. The claim was that the S-Rotor can change from prevailing
>winds, to intercept
>energy from gusts without having to change direction like the prop windmills.

The Savonius is a very STURDY rotor that has a tip speed limit that
is the same as the incident wind (so it can take high winds well).

It isn't particularly efficient, but since it is omni-directional,
it can take wind from any direction and can take gusts.  (It doesn't
'change from prevailing winds', it just doesn't care what compass
heading the winds are from...)

>All information I have seen shows the prop as being more efficient, but
>this probably 
>assumes that the wind is at a constant speed and coming from a fixed
>direction. 

I think you are correct in this, and I also think it doesn't 
matter much.  If you really want an efficient omni-directional
turbine, take a look at a Darrius...  (like an egg beater on end...) 

If you want an easy to kludge together, slow and sturdy 'take a punch'
machine then the Savonius has some advantages... it has good startup
torque for things like water pumping ... especially when stacked in
offset pairs.

-- 

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 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: marcos@pdx047 (Marcos O. Camargo)
Newsgroups: sci.energy
Subject: Calpas Program
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:14:09 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

I am looking for a program to model residential thermal performance called
CALPAS.  The Oregon building department told me that Berkeley Solar Center
provides this program.

Does anybody know where I can get it?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.



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Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.med,sci.med.physics,rec.motorcycles
From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: Re: Heat loss from the human head
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:40:47 GMT

In article <1b7849INNpoi@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> davidt@ecst.csuchico.edu (David Taylor) writes:
>I am a mechanical engineering student in the process of completing my senior 
>project.  This project is to design, build and test a thermoelectric
>cooling system for a motorcycle helmet.
>
>For sometime, I have been tring to learn the rate of heat dissipated or
>lost by the human head in a normal room enviroment.  I have been through
>the journals and cd roms at school looking for this information.  I have
>been given many suggestions, but none which were documentable.
x
You are asking the wrong people.  I am one of the right people, :=),
i.e. a physicist w/ experience in blackbody physics and thermodynamics.
The basic answer is found by treating the head as a blackbody source
at 38 degrees Celsius.  So long as that temp is maintained, the
amount of power radiated per unit area is known. Your problem goes
farther tho', because what you also need to handle is the heat load
due to absorption of the helmet, e.g. from sun loading.  Roughly
speaking, the sun produces 1kW per square meter at the earth's surface.
Of course, a polished reflective helmet absorbs a small part of this.
I think you can get a lot more useful info by hitting up some physicist
at your school.


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Newsgroups: sci.energy
From: jens4813@hgc.edu (Kevin Jensen)
Subject: FAQ available on Solar/Wind Home Power Generation?
Keywords: FAQ Solar Home Power
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:29:20 GMT

Does anyone know of information about the latest technology on Home
Power generation. Is there a FAQ available? I am looking for ways
to generate electric power, heat, or cooking without useing conventional
power from electric lines. A cost analysis of alternatives would be greatly
appreciated also. Cost of purchase and approximate break even investment
time would be great also. If anyone has the useful life of the 
equipment that would help in the cost analysis.