Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Re: Powerbook 145's and 170's to remain
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:24:32 GMT

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>A local dealer, when I asked him if I would ever see the 145's I've had on
>order, told me that Apple plans on _keeping_ the 145 and the 170 as the
>non-dockables, and the 160 and the 180 as the dockable computers.  So, it
>does seem a pretty round product line:

>PB145: 25Mhz, LCD Mono, all ports built in
>DU210: 25Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem
>PB170: 25Mhz, Active Matrix, FPU, all ports built in
>DU230: 33Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem

>That seems to be a marketing-diverse product line, and costs should
>be in that order.

>Now, he could be wrong and just be trying to keep me from cancelling my
order,
>but seeing as how Monday he started getting in some 145's, finally!, I think
>that the above should be correct.

Woah, there.  You're definately wrong.  The 160 and 180 are not dockable
computers.  They replace the 145 and 170 respectively, adding faster speed
for the 180, more RAM capacity, grey scale screens, and external monitor
support.

The Duo's are totally different machines.  The 145 might be kept if the
price was dropped.

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 16:29:52 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Powerbook 145's and 170's to remain

On Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:43 CDT you said:
>A local dealer, when I asked him if I would ever see the 145's I've had on
>order, told me that Apple plans on _keeping_ the 145 and the 170 as the
>non-dockables, and the 160 and the 180 as the dockable computers.  So, it
>does seem a pretty round product line:
>
>PB145: 25Mhz, LCD Mono, all ports built in
>DU210: 25Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem
>PB170: 25Mhz, Active Matrix, FPU, all ports built in
>DU230: 33Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem

Close, but no cigar.  The 160 replaces the 145 (adds 16 grayscale and
video out), the 180 replaces the 170 (increases speed to 33 MHz as well
as adding 16 grayscales and video out).  List prices for the 160 and 180
will be the same as the current 145 and 170 prices.  Some sources
indicate that the 145 will remain at a lower (used to 100's) price (that
suggests the list price of a 145 4/40 will soon fall below $1,900).

For details get /info-mac/digest/vapor/vaporware-09-92.txt

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:00:20 +0100
From: Anders.Hjelm@Teknikum.uu.se
Subject: PPCToolBox

I just tried the practical joke program IVAR,
that remotly plays a sound on someone elses Mac.
However, only two of the Macs in the zone showed
up in the select host dialogue. I checked the net
with InterPoll, and the Macs that appears in IVAR
has a socket called PPCToolBox (Socket # 251).
What is that?
Why cant IVAR se any other Macs?

Anders.Hjelm@Teknikum.uu.se

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 21:34:25 +0100
From: anders@bass.teknikum.uu.se (Anders Hjelm)
Subject: PPCToolBox and Ivar - dont answer

Recently I submitted a question to info-mac about Ivar, the net
and PPCToolBox. A few hours later I realized that I could find the
authors Email adress in the abstract file in the archive.
So I mailed him and recieved my answer:
Program linking must be turned on on the target machine.
I guess PPCToolBox is what is presented on the net when linking is on,
and that I can read more about it than I never will need to know in
Inside Macintosh or some other system 7 documentaion.
So don't spend your valuable time on this question. If you already
have - excuse me.

Anders.Hjelm@Teknikum.uu.se

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:21:02 +0000
From: pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk (Mike Brudenell)
Subject: Printing Fonts catalog

Assuming the fonts you want catalog pages for are installed in your System,
you could try "the Type Book" software (try Sumex-Aim or U.Mich. archive)
for it.  This lets you select the fonts you are interested in, then
displays sample pages consisting of the font at various sizes/leadings
("colours"), sample text pages (I think you can enter your own text?), full
character set pages, and "line showings" with one line of each style of
each font.

Anyone got something equivalent that will work for fonts that *aren't*
installed in the System?  I occasionally pull a font to have a look at but
hate having to go through the hassle of quitting all my active programs,
installing the font in the System, looking at/printing out the font,
quitting all my programs, and deinstalling it again.
--
		Mike B-)                        pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 16:31:03 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Programmer's key -- what to do next

On Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:04:29 PDT you said:
>>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:19:26 GMT
>>From: me@suzuka.u-strasbg.fr (Michel Eytan LILoL)
>>Subject: Your instructions
>>
>>       Please clarify your recent posting:
>>        1. Push the clover and power-up keys at same time; a box appears
with
Reboot RS = Restart

Why all the crypto code replies?  I used to view MacsBug as something
for developers and not for the rest of us.  WRONG!  MacsBug has LOTS of
features for developers but it also has some SIMPLE commands for
ordinary folks trying to save work before restarting.

get dts/mac/tools/macsbug/macsbug-6-2-2.hqx from ftp.apple.com; put it
in your System Folder (NOT in the Extensions or some other folder); then
instead of hanging there deaf, dumb, and mute when things go wrong your
mac will drop into a screen that's clearly different.  If you can read
HEX as well as your native tongue you can learn all sorts of neat
things, otherwise:

ES = Escape to Shell (try and quit the crashed app and return to Finder)
EA = Escape to App (quit the crashed app and try relauncing it)
RB = Reboot
RS = Restart

I've read the book twice on the difference between RB and RS and still
don't comprehend the significance.  What I've found is that ES works an
amazing fraction of the time and RS works more often than RB.  EA
sometimes works (but if the app crashed because of something messed up
in the System heap it's likely to drop you right back into the
debugger).  EA is more likely to be worthwhile when the app that crashed
is Finder (After Dark seems to be good at making Finder crash :)

Even if you're a relative beginner, try MacsBug; I've found it's less
filling and tastes great.

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92  11:56 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Quadras and Ethernet

We have a Quadra 700 which we want to connect to an Ethernet network.  At
the moment we are getting two types of conflicting advice.  One thread
says we will have to purchase an Ethernet transceiver as the Quadra's built-
in Ethernet capabilities really aren't capable enough, basically.  The
other says we will only need a cheap connector which has a sort of T-shaped
piece on the end (it's nice to avoid jargon for a change!).  Most of the
advice we've been getting has been of the former variety.
What is the truth of the matter?  If we do need a transceiver, whatever
that does (presumably it converts one type of signal into another) then we
feel it is very sharp practice (frankly, it's misleading) for Apple to go
around claiming the Quadra has built-in Ethernet when you in fact need one
more external box before you can communicate.  I realise transceivers aren't
that expensive (90 pounds in the UK) but that's not the point.  In my book -
maybe I'm being naive here - "built-in" implies you buy the cables and
that's just about it

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:47:46 PDT
From: Michael <MBRODSKY%LMUACAD.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Quark Express Problems

Dom Manno was completely right with his flame about Quark Express,
which requires that the program be only run from an unlocked volume.

We ran into exactly the same problem when using this program in our
classroom lab situation!  It seems that Quark is in clear violation
of Apples own interface programming guidelines.  We have tried all
semester to work around this problem without any luck.
Quarks response was:  Sorry Charlie!

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 12:16:53 PDT
From: Suvrit Varshney  <xsvarshn@aunix.fullerton.edu>
Subject: Question: TT Scientific Fonts..

Hello, is there any pd Truetype font available for scientific
symbols? Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 19:13:13 EDT
From: lofcom@aol.com
Subject: QuickTime Request...

Folks;

   I have a request for those of you who can use a VideoSpigot (hey, my
SE/30s can do about everything else...!):

   Would someone sample a campaign commercial from Clinton, Bush, and
(*sigh*) Peroit sometime before Election Day? No particular preferences; I
would like to have one of each canadate more for historical reasons than
anything else.

   My thanks for your time...

	  Charlie Summers

*** Replies to LOF@MCIMAIL.COM or LOFCOM@AOL.COM ***

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:41:07 +0100
From: stud08@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Karl Pottie)
Subject: Reboot at interrupt time

I'm still working on my init which reboots unattended macs after a system
crash. For this purpose I need to restart the mac at interrupt time.
I use the old Restart() toolbox call for this purpose. This works
fine except when the Mac is running VM. Call Restart() at interrupt time
when VM is enabled will lock up the Mac.

Can anybody tell me give some code how to restart a mac in
these circumstances  ?


Oh, and by the way, I was wondering: how are the interrupts of the
Time Manager implemented? Does the Mac have some timer-chip which
generates interrupts, or is the time manager based upon VBL ?
I need to know if the Time manager can still run if the vertical
retrace mananger is corrupted or vice versa .

Karl

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:58 EDT
From: "David B. Carr" <CARRDAVID@urvax.urich.edu>
Subject: Refill for stylewriter

Just a quick question.  I have a stylewriter which has recently pooped out of
ink.  I don't want to have to pay for a whole new cartridge, and I know that I
have seen instructions in info-mac as to how to refill my existing cartidge
with a syringe and store bought ink.  Could someone out there in netland
please
send me info as to what kind of ink will work and what kind to avoid.  It
doesn't have to be a net posting, just send it to me at my E-mail address.
Thanks in advance.

David B. Carr
Student Consultant
University Computing
University of Richmond
CARRDAVID@urvax.urich.edu
CARRDAVID@bitnet

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:02:32 PDT
From: mclagan@sfu.ca
Subject: remote terminal support

A question for network folks:

Could someone recomend a hardware configuration and network protocol
which would support *both* a real VT100 terminal and
several terminal-emulating Macs at a remote site.

VAX: DEC 8530 w. terminal server
   : current terminal sessions are supported locally over DEC net
     and remotely over RS-232 serial lines.

A TCP/IP card is available for the terminal server. (Would that
let us support remote terminals via SLIP?)


  Site 1                Site 2
 ______
|      |  tel line     _____      ______      _____      _____
| Vax  | -----------> | ??? | -> |VT100 | -> | Mac | -> | Mac |
| 8530 | (data         -----      ------      -----      -----
|      |  quality)
 ------

Thanks very much.
Scott
mclagan@fraser.sfu.ca

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:21:33 -0700
From: Larry Rosenstein <lsr@taligent.com>
Subject: re The Macintosh "Little People"

>higher.  Mac users of this kind seem to have a high percentage of people who
>are, forgive the term, "learn-nothings and don't want to".  Even at MIT I see
>a
>large number of people who I now, usually privately, call "Mac cripples".  If
>a

So what's your answer?  Don't let these people use a computer until they
"shape up"?  It seems like an advantage that they can get work done without
having to learn a lot of stuff.  Or perhaps they just don't use the
computer often enough to enhance their skills.

>Case in point, in this week's MacWorld article describing the Performa
version
>of System 7, apparently the mouse double-click is too difficult for all the
>people Apple thinks it is selling to.  So now there's a row of big colorful

I've observed new users who did have trouble with double clicks.  The At
Ease and Launcher extensions help these people get started.  They can be
turned off when needed.

Neither of these things affects experienced users of the Macintosh.
(Although there are advantages to using At Ease on something like a
PowerBook in terms of memory/power savings.)

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:22:05 -0500
From: arc@judy.indstate.edu (Arc Wave)
Subject: Suit Case II responses

Thanks for all your responses on the SuitCase II delima.

I have installed and using CarpetBagger, which works great!

Thanks!

Paul

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Les Ferch <ferch@ucs.ubc.ca>
Subject: System 7.1 - check out the windows... (C)

Ouch! As several people pointed out, I seemed to have lost my sense of
humor momentarily. Somehow I managed to miss the tongue-in-cheek tone (and
smiley) of the original message about the zoom and size box. My response
was, therefore, completely unwarranted. My apologies. I'll keep a sharper
look-out for smilies in the future. :-)

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Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:06:05 -0700 (MST)
From: John Glaser <JSGLASER@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Tektronix terminal emulator

Does anyone know of a PD or shareware terminal program that supports
Tektronix graphics (4014 or 4100)? I know about Versaterm, but I'm a
student without a lot of money to spend. When I still had an Amiga,
I used a PD program called VLT, and I'm hoping a similar Mac program
might exist.

*School is a state of no mind*
jsglaser@ccit.arizona.edu

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 14:07:23 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Token ring on Macs

Anyone use token ring networking on a Mac & PC network? I know
someone who will attempt to do this using Novell Mac and I was
wondering if it would work and if there are better options.
Thansk, Pete Tamas Gnome@TempleVM.bitnet

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:35:39 EDT
From: Meynard Yves <meynard@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Trifling error in IQDemo-10.hqx

  Hi!
  The text blurb for IQDemo-10.hqx has a slight error. Line 4 should read
"26 levels)." instead of "34 levels)."
  Obviously, I was counting in base 6.66 :-)
  Sorry for the error,
  Yves Meynard
  meynard@iro.umontreal.ca

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 08:33:12 +0100
From: Paulo V Rocha <P.Rocha@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: Word for Windows 2.0 to Word in the MAC

We have produced a nice brochure for a project using Word 2.0 for Windows.
It has pictures, colours, everything nice.

Now we need to put it in the Mac (Word) so the printers can work on it.
They can read a Word for Mac file and produce the films or bromides.

I tried to save the original file as RTF, and to read it on the Mac.
However, in spite of the text comming more or less ok, the pictures have
disapeared (Paintbrush and MS-Draw).

My questions are:

	1 - How can I bring everything to the Mac from the original Word
	    2.0 document.
	    (I know that things like "drop capitals" won't translate but if
	    the pictures are there this is my last worry.)

	2 - Am I correct to say that the pictures were also saved in the
	    ".rtf" file?

	3 - I only have a B&W screen in the Mac here. Can I count on the
	    fact that the colours I've set will be kept?

	4 - The ".rtf" file is quite big (~3 Meg!). Which is the easiest
	    way to transport it from the PC to the Mac (if this is what I
	    have to do).

Thansk for your help and sorry if I bothered you with the cross-posting.
I appreciate any ideas because I am a total ignorant on Macs.

Paulo (University College London)

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Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 09:24 CST
From: <SWAECHTER%UTMEM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Zip files

I ftp'd a few files with a "zip" extension.  How do I convert these to
something my Mac will handle.  I tried DownLine, and that didn't do anything.
Thanks for the help.  Please respond to me directly.

Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem2 (bitnet)
swaechter@utmem2.utmem.edu (internet)

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 11:50:49 cdt
From: "Duckenfield,Paul" <DUCKENFI@AC.GRIN.EDU>

>Subject: new powerbooks
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:43 CDT
>From: trimper@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg Trimper)
>Subject: Powerbook 145's and 170's to remain
>
>A local dealer, when I asked him if I would ever see the 145's I've had on
>order, told me that Apple plans on _keeping_ the 145 and the 170 as the
>non-dockables, and the 160 and the 180 as the dockable computers.  So, it
>does seem a pretty round product line:
>
>PB145: 25Mhz, LCD Mono, all ports built in
>DU210: 25Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem
>PB170: 25Mhz, Active Matrix, FPU, all ports built in
>DU230: 33Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem
>
>That seems to be a marketing-diverse product line, and costs should
>be in that order.
>
>Now, he could be wrong and just be trying to keep me from cancelling my
order,
>but seeing as how Monday he started getting in some 145's, finally!, I think
>that the above should be correct.
>
>Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com

	I might be a little confused, but let me try and get this straight
about all these new PB's.  After the Big Day (October 19), there will be six
powerbooks in the line?  The list will look something like this:

PB145: 25Mhz, LCD Mono, all ports built in
DU210: 25Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem
PB160: 25Mhz, LCD Gray, video out & PB100-style docking as external HD
PB170: 25Mhz, Active Matrix, FPU, all ports built in
PB180: 33Mhz, LCD Gray, video out & PB100-style docking as external HD
DU230: 33Mhz, LCD Gray, needs a dock to access anything but a modem

	Or, am I confused about the 160 & the 180?

Paul Duckenfield        DUCKENFI@AC.GRIN.EDU    Grinnell College

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