HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 vs. Big-10 (was Re: Mediocracy vs Money)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:13:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov23.141546.18334@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>WSU lost to Stanford, at Stanford, and Oregon at home.  The only ranked teams
>they have beaten are Arizona, USC, and now Washington.  They have only 
>played 4 top 25 teams (UW, USC, Arizona, and Stanford).  Their out
>of conference schedule...well... stunk.. They played Montana, Fresno State,
>and Temple.  In conference they managed to avoid UCLA and California.

Yes, but they beat some (3!!) ranked teams (Oregon has been ranked some, but
I don't know if they were when they beat WSU).  And Fresno State
has done well this year, in case you haven't noticed.

And they did play (and defeat) UCLA.  And I think its clear that they
would have been a favorite over Cal this year.

>In comparison, Iowa has lost to NCState, Miami, Colorado, Michigan, 
>Purdue, and Ohio State, all but one of them is ranked in the top 15!!!
>There schedule has been VERY tough, and before this weekend (with WSU 
>beating UW and Iowa losing) I would have given them the edge as well.

While losing to tough teams earns them my sympathy, did they ever
*beat* any ranked teams?  They managed to lose to mighty Minnesota,
which finished 2-9 (and many of these losses coming from mediocre
or poor Big10 teams).  Its pretty disgusting they were even in the
run for a bowl...
--
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Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
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From: geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer)
Subject: Re: TRIPLE PLAYS
Keywords: tiguzz
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 05:17:28 GMT

>Magee writes:
>>
>>In 1990, MSU (&LSU) won the SEC basketball championship. MSU had the basketball
>>team post season, the football post season, baseball post season, tennis post
>>season and golf too!  Anyone else had 5 teams in the same year post season?
>>
>>David
>

You have the gall to boast of having 5 teams in the post-season?

At Stanford, we won 5 NCAA titles in 1991-92. 

Women's Hoops
Men's Tennis
Men's Swimming
Women's Swimming
Men's Gymnastics

Plus post season appearances by Women's Soccer, Football, Women's Volleyball,
Men's Volleyball, Baseball, Water Polo, Field Hockey, Men's Basketball, and
Women's Tennis.

In fact, no university can come close to Stanford's athletic achievements
since 1980.

Cheers,
sjs
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bo
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:55:02 GMT

>>>: If Miami ends up #1 and FSU ends up #2, they are mandated to play for the
>>>: national title by the Bowl Coalition as I understand it.  The only way Miami
>>>: could duck FSU is to decline to go to a bowl at all, which would be ludicrous.

>>>I guess that's my real question...  "Mandated?"...  I mean, they certainly

One more time David : If the #1 and #2 teams in the Ap poll come from the
ACC Big East and Notre Dame they are MANDATED to play in the Fiesta Bowl.

The major reason for the Bowl Alliance was to have the 1-2 matchup.
However, in the case where the Cotton, Sugar, or Orange has the #1 or #2 
team than the matchup is NOT mandatory. When it is NOT mandatory the ways
a team can get out of the matchup is if another bowl has a larger payoff
or if the teams have already played eachother.

Now read the 1st paragraph again for the FSU vs Miami possibility !
From: mholling@pollux.usc.edu (Michelle Hollinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fight songs
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:50:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu
Keywords: Big Ten


OK, when I first saw the request for alternative lyrics I decided to resist
temptation because I had never posted here before (I like to sit back, read
and enjoy). However, my alma mater was attacked so I must retaliate :) Here
are some contributions from the GMBITHOTU (Greatest Marching Band in the
History of the Universe).


UM Fight Song

Why do they call them victors
Why do they call them champions 
Why, Why, because they finally got to come out west

Each time in Pasadena
They'll always get their ass kicked
That's why the Wolverines are only second best

Hail to those mother fu****s
Hail to those big c**k suckers
Hail, Hail, to Michigan they're really fags at heart

etc...


OSU Fight Song (no, not Oregon State)

Take a bow Ohio State for firing what's his name
You think you can pass now but we'll beat you just the same
Buckeyes think they've got so much class
Sex to them's a pain in the ass
Hail, Hail to Michigan don't you wish you could beat them now

etc...

Fight On!
Mich

Disclaimer:	This posting is an individual effort, not representative of
		any University organization. Also, this is not meant to
	       	riducule homosexuality, so if you are a member of GLASS 
		and you are offended, please make your feelings known to me
		before filing lawsuits and/or going to administration members 
		in attempt to remove the band and/or its members from the face
From: melo@gluck.cs.unc.edu (Roberto Melo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Canes in the Graves-yard!
Summary: Syracuse......It will be freezing!
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:41:45 GMT
Distribution: rec

In article <BxvwFo.82y@encore.com>, jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
> Jeff Wilson writes:
> 
> >Miami visits the Carrier Dome this Saturday for a game that will decide
> >which team plays for the national championship on January 1.  So come on, 
> >all you fans that "dislike" the Hurricanes with a passion---pull for the
> >Orange this weekend!  Pray for us; we'll need it!  But no woofing, please;
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			 Please!
> >restrict statements of optimism to nothing stronger than "I think they 
> >can give Miami a game".  Thanks for your support.  
> 
> Ok Jeff no woofing !  A good friend of mine and I are flying up Friday
> for the game and I wondered if you could tell us if we might need coats ??
> 
> Just a couple of dumb Cane fans   ;-)

To all those warm Florida 'Canes fans:

     You better bring your coat &  lots of clothing to keep you warm.
Syracuse will be freezing; although, inside the dome it should be fine.
I will also say that you should be ready to face some snow...

--Rob M.(Just a crazy Oragemen fan!)

Note: I am a Syracuse University Student working on a CoOp assignment at UNC.
	I will also fly for the game.

Remember, the oragemen beat the gators in the Dome last year.  The Dome is
a very bad place for Florida's teams........  
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: WOOF GODS STRIKES AGAIN! (was Re: WSU 42 UW 23)
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 01:42:38 GMT

In article <bMH=B9_@engin.umich.edu> chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:

>	I finally figured it out.  Don James must be Santa Clause!  He 
>successfully spearheaded the campaign, "Help out your PAC-10 neighbor to
>a bowl bid" by letting the Huskies play their worse game in nearly three
>years.  Now WSU must be considered for a Bowl.  That has got to be the
>greatest gift that Santa ever gave to WSU.

So I guess it's out of the question that WSU might actually have *earned*
this win?  Naaah, I guess we're just lucky to be handed a victory, and we
should really feel lucky for the gift of being considered for a bowl too,
right?

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu    | 
EECS Department               |  "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University   |     -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:36:55 EST
 <dkm2.721882876@Isis.MsState.Edu><1992Nov16.051119.21255@ncsu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov16.051119.21255@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL
EMERY LAROCQUE) says:
>
>  I am glad that someone has the nerve to tell it like it is about Alabama..
Yes, they're 10-0 and the champions of the SEC West.

>  The ACC will finally get a stab at our across the way conference

>antagonists,
>  the SEC.. The only SEC team worth anything is Florida.

>  I mean, look at the class involved:

Look at the class involved in this entire thread . . .

>       Alabama-- the name says it all-- yuk!! eeww!!
>       Georgia-- better than in years past, but, I don't know..
>South Carolina-- total scum
>      Arkansas-- ick!!
>     Tennessee-- second best to Florida.. firing Majors was stupid!!
>        Auburn-- well, since I know someone from there, a 3rd...
>      Ole Miss-- I laugh.
>      Kentucky-- should have knocked off Dook this year, fans so-so...
>
>  I don't really keep up with the Mississippi teams... :) no reason to...
>  Not an insult, I save those for Alabama and South Carolina!! ;)
>--
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


You know, it has been some time since I've seen such an enlighted,
well informed post.  This person clearly has racked his brains to
the limit in order to come up with such penetrating analysis.

I suppose I should be glad he isn't also trying to explain how
Michigan is better than Alabama.

>If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
>so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.

I am Bill's fan, but prefer more stimulating conversation.


Jim Thomas
Penn State
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:58:31 GMT


>>In <1992Nov16.231316.17607@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>>
>>>judgement of intent by the officials.  This year, a Colorado player was
>>>penalized after he pointed at a teammate!  Personally, I find the

Woops.  My mistake, I read the above as pointing to an opponent.
You can of course point at your teammates, that is not against the
rules.
--
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
Keywords: n
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:55:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.002347.1106@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
>How about if ND drops the Navy game from its schedule, and decides to resume
>the series with Miami??? Navy hasn't won a game in this series since the 60's.
>What do you ND'ers think??

Navy-ND is the longest continuous non-conference rivalry in the nation, I
believe, and I'd be sorry to see it go, for reasons of tradition.  On the 
other hand, I'd be perfectly willing to dump Northwestern, Purdue, or 
Michigan State for Miami.  Hell, if you can get the NCAA to agree, I'd be 
perfectly willing to add a twelfth game for Miami.  

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:46:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Nov15.194621.1
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Nov15.212400.9300@infonode.ingr.com>, harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin) writes:
>> 
> But since you are in the SEC, I hope you get a good bowl game and
> do well.  Remember, Big Brother BAMA brings in lots of TV money and bowl
> money that we share with you folks.  And I always want all our conference
> teams to do well when we play in bowls and out of conference.  So good luck
> to you Bulldogs.

This is an usually enlighted attitude, especially coming from a bama fan
(ie: we should pull for all SEC teams in bowls because their success
indirectly helps my team financially).  

Looking ahead, after the Auburn game, bama will surely play SOME highly
ranked team in December.  Oh what the heck, I guess I'll bite the bullet and
pull for the SEC team.

GIG 'EM GATORS!!!!!!  (hey, I'm pulling for an SEC team :-) )

(make that WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!! in the unlikely event that Vandy beats Florida)

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@mauchly.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME - NATIONAL CHAMPS - 1992
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:43:46 GMT

Well ... things are getting more interesting every day.
Michigan ties Ohio State, Washington gets destroyed,
and Syracuse drops out of the MNC race ...          

Here's my prediction:

Alabama loses to either Florida or Aurburn
Florida State loses to Florida
Texas A&M gets destroyed by Texas

... paving the way for the Fiesta Bowl's
    Dream Matchup. 

#1 Miami  vs
#2 Notre Dame

College football fans are lucky to have the new
Bowl Coalition to force the #1 and #2 teams to
play or else I'm sure Miami would find a way to
chicken out of playing the Irish ...  :)

Final Score:  1993 Fiesta Bowl   ND - 35   Miami 34

	      Miami's last second field goal sails
              wide right as time expires.


			- Rob
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:59:20 -0500 
From: Myung Joon Choi <mc83+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WAR IS NOT OVER.. SYRACUSE!! :)
	<1992Nov15.223003.10114@ncsu.edu>

Derrell, you write: 

" Miami fans, look out!!! Syracuse, next week!!!! You might not want to
 chalk up that last win quite yet!!!! The last challenger is a strong one!!!
 
 Look what happened this weekend.. :) (with other teams...)"


Sorry, Derrell.  Miami's not like "other teams."  Other teams lose once
in a while, the 'Canes lose once about every other year.  Chalk up
another national championship, the fifth one in a decade.

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From: th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson)
Subject: Re: fsu and A&M was(Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:19:35 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

>In article <BxvDIq.4Dq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:

>   jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:

>   >Stuff about Bama being number 2 because they came back to beat MSU and what
>   >being #2 (or should be #3 A&M's case) in the country means.


>   >>  Being #2 in the country does not mean you have to beat the pants off the #16
>   >>(or whatever) team in the country.  Being able to come back and win (especially on
>   >>the road) the way Bama did against a fine Mississippi State team certainly

>   >Tell this to the pollesters and the fsu crew about A&M.  
>   >Is there any precedent(sp?) of a 1 lose team leap frogging a no lose team?
>   >Recently there has been the 1 tie leap frog, but with a lose.  So far
>   >no one has proved they are better than us, someone has proved they are
>   >better than fsu.

>   >Todd

>Since I'm neither an FSU nor an A&M fan, I hope I'm impartial on this
>one (I'm one of those "obnoxious Fichigan dolts" we've all heard about
>;-)).  The key words in the above paragraph are "no one" and
>"someone".  The "no one" refers to TAMU's opponents.  A more
>appropriate description could not be chosen (yes, I know, same for
>Michigan).  The "someone" refers to the team that beat FSU, which is
>Miami.  So, TAMU beat a bunch of "no one"'s, while FSU beat themselves

I'm glad to know that Miami had nothing to do with the loss!  If this is
true then fsu should be ranked ahead of Miami!

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

>against a "someone".  I still think FSU is a better team than TAMU,
>and should therefore be ranked higher.  The pollsters seem to agree.





>-Alan Harder
> American Mathematical SOciety
> Michigan Fan
> Drinker of Anchor Steam
From: paasch@kepler.ME.ORST.EDU (Bob Paasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Review (11-21-92)
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:06:21 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.me.orst.edu

In article <=pH=45#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>}} 
>}} 	   Man Oh Man!  Five conference games and four upsites!  
>}} How can anyone top that???  So Weird!

How about:  Five conference games, and the "good" team lost 
in each case.  So wierd....
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Keywords: nn
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:15:42 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production


>
>First, I seem to remember Kevin Murray driving around in a 280ZX registered to
>or leased by Bum Bright.  Second, SMU was never nailed by the NCAA for hiring

bzzzzt!  Guess again..  Kevin Murray purchased that car from the $30k signing
bonus when he signed to pitch baseball professionally.  This was in and out
of the papers until he finally sold the stupid thing.

>sorority girls to "treat" recruits.  That's a rumor that came out of that whole
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

not according to the DMN.  Listed in the 80+ violations against SMU
were $400/weekend/sorority girl.


>mess.  Third, I was actually referring to SMU's 1984 sanctions, which I believe
>were 3 years probation, two years w/o a bowl, and a loss of a bunch of scholar-
>ships.  These sanctions were for several minor violations a payment to ONE 
>recruit of $10K.  That's pretty steep for those violations, but I suppose you 
>could argue that the NCAA was punishing SMU for violations which they could not
>prove then, but were occurring.  That didn't seem to apply to A&M, though, as 

Nope, I think the NCAA was over-reacting (sp?) and trying to hard to be the
cop and set an example.

>everyone in Texas knew that the Aggies were giving benefits larger than a $30
 
I won't argue with that...  Hell, it was tu and A&M that used to treat 
their teams to the Chicken Ranch in La Grange, remember?

>dinner (see Murray, Kevin for reference), but the NCAA apparently chose to 
>look the other way.

A&M somehow bargained its way out of having the larger accusations checked
into.  SMU cheated, got caught and BLATANLY cheated again.

Of course, I am stubborn enough myself, that if it were me, I would say
to hell with the NCAA, I am fielding a team anyway...  :-)


>
>
>GT
>
>
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From: ongh@iastate.edu (Undertaker...)
Subject: Re: ISU vs NU Stats....
Summary: passing statistics......
Keywords: why pass when you can get 377 yds on ground..........
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:37:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.044403.19900@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> Those passing stats are abyssmal!!! Not even a 100+ yard passing game!!!!

So what??? some school's will dream to have the rushing stats ISU got against
Nebraska. Who needs to pass for 100+ yards when you can get 377 on the ground?
Whiner........
>
> What, are all Big 8 teams rushing powerhouses, or are the pass defenses
> awesome beyond belief, or is it the powerhouse rushing defense??

don't take a single game to rate a conference's passing...there's Colorado
Oklahoma(yes,they are passing the ball now), and Missouri...
what the heck are you whining anyway?

> I would never have dreamed that a QB could have just 4 passes in a game!!

the reason why ISU attempted 4 passes is because the QB is a 5th year senior
starting in his first game for the Cyclones. He is the 2nd back-up in the ISU
roster. Coach Walden didn't wanna try anything fancy against the Huskers.

Nebraska had little success because they were stucked with 3rd and long most 
of the game. and yes, the isu secondary was playing very well...

>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu

hank
ongh@iastate.edu

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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:04:29 GMT


>	Not necessarily.  Wouldn't a 6-5 Texas team be more attractive
>	than any of these ridiculous .500 Big Ten teams?  I am simply
>	amazed that bowls such as the Weedeater/Independence and
>	Freedom would even be interested in these teams.  I keep hearing
>	this "Big Ten prestige, drawing power, TV ratings" thing.  Just
>	how many people would watch Illinois vs. Southern Mississippi?
>	Bowl reform is needed!!!

no kidding...

>
>	I saw where, in the ACC report, that Georgia Tech is "eliminated"
>	from bowl consideration at 5-5.  If they beat Georgia and finish
>	6-5, I'd sure as hell rather have them than a 6-6 Iowa or 6-5
>	Michigan State!

Georgia Tech cannot play in a bowl, they got bit by the IAA bug.  Maybe
they will consider playing a full schedule of IA teams.  The more you 
play, the better chance you will have of having 6 wins against them, 
besides, there are some real patsies out there...  Temple, Navy, TCU,
Oregon State, Northwestern, the bottom half of the Big East, etc, etc..

:-)  had to get that big easy, er east shot in there...
>
>>
>>Well, Scott is probably an Aggie ;-) but he's also got a good point. Of
>>our two remaining games, we will _certainly_ be the underdog against A&M,
>>and possibly against Baylor (it will probably be a small line, whichever
>>way it goes). BUT, the Baylor game this weekend is Grant Teaff's last
>>game as head coach for Baylor after 20+ years, and beating Baylor would
>>salvage a disappointing final season. The players will want to give him
>>this game very badly. They already blew the A&M game, the Cotton Bowl, 
>>and _any_ bowl... beating Texas is the last thing they have to shoot for.
>
>	Where is the Baylor-UT game to be played?

I think this game will be a good game to watch, if you like really rough
games...  


cmuck
>-- 
>-------------------------------
>| Randy Peppler               |
>| Illinois State Water Survey |
>| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Why Michigan sucks..
Date: 21 Nov 1992 06:43:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Dan, you're the man.
I have no respect for anyone who feels the need to tell anonymous
SPORTS fans that he is in the mathematical society. What the hell?
Is this football or brain-bowl?  That's what I thought.  Michigan
blows chunks (and National Championship hopes).  OSU is still the
most recent nat. champ from the Big Ten...  I for one am looking
forward to a good game tomorrow, despite the fact that Michigan has
lost it's competetive drive.
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