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From:         "t.schiff" <IZZYAB3@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Sec of Ed???

Now that Clinton has appointed a Sec of Ed, what do people know about
this gentleman??  Can anyone give us all some background on
Gov. Riley??  Thanks.

T.Schiff
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From:         ADAVIS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: David and Goliath

Mark Fetler's news that there is movement afoot to break up the Los
Angeles Unified School District is interesting indeed.  The arguments
in favor of breaking up a huge district would seem to be concerns of
governance and administrative efficiency.  It occurs to me that the
primary argument against such a move would center on integration,
economic diversity, the fringes of the "hold hostage" theme of Gene's
that we have discussed from time to time.  Large areas of Los Angeles
are entirely black of entirely Latino.  Depending on how they were
to constitute the new districts, we could have all-black districts and
all-Latino districts .  I would predict substantial changes in curriculum
in those districts, especially in respect to social studies and literature.
I don't know much about school finance in California, but I would guess
that fiscal inequities of the sort Kozol has portrayed would emerge
within what is now a single system to a far greater extent than they
can exist now (especially since federal programs require districts to
prove that low-income schools receive equal district resources before
a district can qualify for Chapter 1 assistance).  My instincts are to
favor diversity over ethnic purity and equal funding over fiscal
inequalities, so I am suspicious.  I'd want lots of assurances before
I'd advocating the breaking oup of large urban districts.

Alan Davis
University of Colorado at Denver
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From:         Gene Glass <ATGVG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Job Opening

     The Univ of Wisconsin at Milwaukee is searching for a Dean for the
 School of Education. The deadline is January 31, 1993. If interested,
 contact
           Dr. Suzanne Falco, Search Comm. Chair
           Cunningham 691
           Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
           P.O. Box 413
           Milwaukee, WI 53210

           414-229-5469

_______________________________________________________________________

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From:         MARK NELSON <NELSONM2@HUGSE1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: A tale of 2 computer lab

I should begin by further defining what I define as a PC interface, for the
line demarked by the PC vs. Mac is not quite what I had in mind when I first
entered this thread.  It would be more accurate to draw the line between
icon based interfaces and command line interfaces.  For a school user I would
assume that a PC running Windows would have the same look & feel as a Mac.

From my experiences working with both children and adults command line
interfaces (MS-DOS, ProDos, VMS, etc.) presents no problems for learners whose
style could best be classified as logical, abstract, or formal thinkers.  For th
   ose learners who fall into the contextual, concrete reasoning style group
command line interfaces present more frustration.  It is the latter group that I
    have seen walk away from using computers in schools, only to return for a
second look once Macs and Windows based PCs became more prevalent in K-12
schools.

Another interesting observation I have seen repeated across different age
groups of abstract, logical thinkers is a disdain for icon based interfaces.
They display an obvious like for command line interfaces.

As I stated in my original posting schools should provide learning tools
that honor each students cognitive style, which would point towards having
computers that come from both sides of the icon based/command line interface
issue.

Mark Nelson                     *
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745 Washington Street           *        than technology" - Woody Flowers
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Subject: RE: A tale of 2 computer lab

Mark Nelson: What learning style differences are accommodated by Mac or by PC?

  - - The original note follows - -

In response to Peter Lau:

It should not be a case of Macs OR PCs in schools, both should be present for
student and faculty use.  As Turkle & Papert point out in their 1991 paper
EPISTEMOLGICAL PLURALISM... when people argue for one onterface style over anoth
   er what they are actually defending is their own cognitive style.  Schools
should not be in the business of elevating one style over another, or forcing
conformity to one style of interacting with technology.  A school that is
devoted to developing each student to their full potential should have on
hand the resources to accomplish that goal.  If that means mixing Macs and
PCs in the same place, so be it.

We must avoid the mistaken notion that what ever machine we choose to use is
appropriate for all students (or adults), for it is not.  I have witnessed
too many times a potential user turn away from computers because the
style of the interface clashed with their learning style.

Mark Nelson                     *
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From:         URI POMERANTZ <UPOMERA@CATICSUF.BITNET>

Hello Gene! I got a fowarded letter from Jacque Benninga- a friend,
about the listservice. I did not follow it completely. Could
you please provide me with the exact mailing address's to the lists?
THANKS
                                                    UPOMERA
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From:         MARK NELSON <NELSONM2@HUGSE1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: A tale of 2 computer lab

In response to Peter Lau:

It should not be a case of Macs OR PCs in schools, both should be present for
student and faculty use.  As Turkle & Papert point out in their 1991 paper
EPISTEMOLGICAL PLURALISM... when people argue for one onterface style over anoth
   er what they are actually defending is their own cognitive style.  Schools
should not be in the business of elevating one style over another, or forcing
conformity to one style of interacting with technology.  A school that is
devoted to developing each student to their full potential should have on
hand the resources to accomplish that goal.  If that means mixing Macs and
PCs in the same place, so be it.

We must avoid the mistaken notion that what ever machine we choose to use is
appropriate for all students (or adults), for it is not.  I have witnessed
too many times a potential user turn away from computers because the
style of the interface clashed with their learning style.

Mark Nelson                     *
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745 Washington Street           *        than technology" - Woody Flowers
Braintree, MA.  02184           *
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From:         Cathy Brandt <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Tale of Two Computer Labs
              18 Dec 1992 21:25:17 EST from <CPD247@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>ready for this kind of announcement and invitation which Norma could post to
>the FCBOE newsletter?  Please advise.

Ready or not it needs to come!  We need to get more teachers here so that they
can begin to experiment and network with one another.  Being here is the best
way to learn.  We are going to HAVE to do it in the future.  Sooooo, why put
off until tomorrow what should have been done yesterday!!!!

Yeah, lots of obstacles are going to arise.  But, we may as well have as many
go ahead and jump in as are willing!

Cathy Brandt
Ashland Elementary
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From:         SA_DSUNDRE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mandated Assessment

Hi there-
Your questions have been only partially answered in several books and many,
many campuses.  Many institutions, like those in Virginia, Tennessee, and
many others have had a bit of a mandate prescribed.  Tremendous progress has
been made; you should not be surprised to find that many of your departments
and programs are and have been engaged in excellent assessment efforts for
some time.  For these programs, there is no reason to "reinvent" anything.
They know what data is most important and collect it routinely-sometimes
informally.  The kind of data you want to collect is the kind of data that
your faculty believe in and will use for program improvement.

There's plenty of hope.  Look around; there are lots of models to follow.
All the best-
Donna Sundre
Assoc. Assessment Specialist
James Madison Univ.
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From:         Rick <ATMRP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Inequities
              18 Dec 1992 16:40:55 EST from <apembert@VDOE386.VAK12ED.EDU>

Anne and Jack, Multiply your horror stories by a very big 'factor' and think to
 yourself "this can't be happening". I worked as a computer trainer in a five s
tate territory in the Southwest. Multifunctional Resource Centers serve the Tit
le VII bilingual community's needs--- or so they say. My job was to serve the c
omputer needs of our 100 client schools. Teacher training is only part of the e
quation. Often computers are purchased by administrators. They have the money a
nd think they know what is needed by their school. Most of the time they don't
ask anyone. Often they have a buddy who is linked to the computer company.(ie W
YCAT, or a dealer-distributor like TEAM, ComputerLand and such). The computers
often come from Apple or whoever but the dealer-distributor gets an installatio
n contract from Apple. Good ole' boy stuff. Even if administrators ask teachers
, many teachers don't want to use the machines. You can provide all the trainin
g you want but they still don't want to use them. Even if teachers want to use
computers, they frequently ask "but what about essential skills?" or similar
Q's that let you know they are afraid of getting into trouble, teaching to the
tests and administrator's expectations. Solution? Only partial 'bandaides' from
 me. I tried to focus my training on a few teachers who wanted it. Gave them
all I could and followed with 'coaching/team teaching' sessions with their kids
 and classrooms. As for Jack's querry, I wrote a negative evaluation report on
a bilingual project for just that reason. Not using the machines. Cost me an
evaluation constract but I sleep good at night. Tried for a year to persuade
them to use the machines. Spent lots of training resources on teachers there.
No cigar. Squeal on them if they don't do what they said they were gonna' do.rp


Rick Peek
Arizona State University
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:13:50 EST
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From:         TJPUGH@SUVM.BITNET

Awhile back Craig Howley posed the following question:


Exactly what, I wonder, are we preserving under the guise of now largely
fictitous "local autonomy"?  A cherished tradition of injustice?

Local autonomy, or local control, perplexes me.  What does it
mean?  Is it good?  Is it bad?  The questions are old, but I
haven't heard any really good answers.  Maybe some of you could
help out. To provide a concrete policy context I offer the
following example.

Recently a NY BOCES (intermediary school district, the
county superintendency) superintendent retired with a
$960,000 severence package and with a possible annual
pension of $300,000.  (Merry Christmas!!!!)  People
in the State Ed. Dept. are looking into the legality
of the arrangement.  On the surface it appears legal,
if astonishing.

A former NY State school administrator wrote an editorial
claiming that the BOCES (or county superintendency)
constitutes a virtually autonomous empire due to being
unaccountable to any direct local oversight.  Neither
the BOCES board nor the BOCES budget is voted on or
scrutinized locally.  The one-step remove of the BOCES
and the obscure manner of funding creates a situation ripe
for abuse.  BOCES are also significantly funded locally, so
State level accountability may also be diminished.


So, the suggestion seems to be that, despite the cranky,
ill-informed, poorly attended public involvement in the
governance of public grade schools; such local involvement,
or "control," can prevent the sorts of abuse this BOCES
superintendent's retirement package indicates. (Or if not
prevent, at least diminish the scope or likelihood.)

Any thoughts?
tom m-p
* * * * * * * * * * * *
Tom Mauhs-Pugh
Cultural Foundations of Education

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REPLY TO 12/21/92 11:12 FROM EDPOLYAN@ASUACAD.BITNET "Professionals and
Students Discussing Education Policy Analysis": Call for Papers

sign off edpolyan

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From:         peter lau <72460.3000@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      A tale of 2 computer lab

A reply to Dewayn Mathews' post:  While I agree strongly with both Dewayne
and Ann's ideas about faculty (users) involvement in the implementation of
the labs, and the need for low bidder for computing equipment in public
schools, I must take exception to the perceived difference between Macintosh
and PC clones.  I don't think there is any major differences between Macs
and PC's in terms of educational values (as I type on a PC clone).  Whether
a school uses Mac's or PC's is certainly not a factor at all.

peter lau
uc riverside




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Subject:      Job Announcement

The Mid-Continent Regional Educational Laboratory (McREL) is seeking
a Research Associate for their Denver office.  The position requires
expertise in research and evalution methodology, microcomputer data
analysis and database applications, and experience in proposal writing.
Position closes 1/15/93.  Send vita and salary history to:

Research Associate
McREL
2550 S. Parker Rd. #500
Aurora, CO  80014

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From:         Arto Kankaanpaa <ARTKAN@FIRIEN.BITNET>
Subject:      Mandate for Change?

Mark E. Fetler <MFETLER@CC1.CCCCDO.EDU> wrote a couple of weeks
ago that "MANDATE FOR CHANGE: THINK TANK CHALLENGES OLD
ORTHODOXIES" by the Progressive Policy Institute was recently
released. Can anyone help me in finding this publication?
Please, send your replies to my e-mail address.

Happy holidays and thanks in advance

Arto Kankaanpaa
Research Center for the Sociology of Education
University of Turku
Turku, Finland

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From:         "Harry M. Kriz" <KRIZ@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sample database entry
Comments: To: "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" <jeffo@uiuc.edu>

In response to the inquiry about sample database systems:

At the Fall SPIRES workshop in Chapel Hill,
I presented a talk on my full-screen interface for a system in
use at Virginia Tech under the name Newspaper Index. The document
I distributed included all source code for the system, including
full-screen formats and protocols. I would be happy to send the
code to anyone requesting it. Anyone wanting the code should
contact me personally and we can see about transferring it, either
by using sendfile to a VM system, or by anonymous ftp.
The protocol is almost application independent provided everything
in an individual record can be displayed on 1 screen.

Disclaimer:  Usual disclaimers in that neither I nor any institution
             I'm affiliated with make any claims for the code
             other than that it is working on a VM system at Virginia
             Tech.

--Harry

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Sample database entry
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:40:01 GMT

I'm very new to the SPIRES database format and wondering if there are  
any sample databases or format descriptions around for anonymous  
FTP'ing.

I'm interested in turning an all-textual SPIRES database into a  
collection of ASCII or RTF files.  Information on any programs,   
utilities or shell scripts that run under BSD 4.3 UNIX would be great.

Thanks,
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
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