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From: kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:45:54 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

> From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
> Subject: Re: The Necronomicon and H.P. Lovecraft
> Date: 27 Aug 92 20:02:24 GMT
> Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
> 
> An ``Arabic'' Necronomicon - this is total gibberish consisting of the
> same Arabic phrases repeated over and over throughout the book.  One
> of the authors of this hoax keeps threatening to publish ``The
> Necronomicon Letters'': the letters from people who took this thing
> seriously and demanded to see the original manuscript, get money to do
> research, etc.  This one is rare.

That would be the DeCamp version. I'd love to see him print the letters.

> A ``Voynich Manuscript'' Necronomicon - this one was perpetrated by
> Colin Wilson, unless I have my occultists confused.  Has a prologue
> about how the Necronomicon manuscript was discovered in the plaimpsest
> of some other manuscript and painstakingly recovered.  Out of print, I
> believe.

You don't have your occultists confused, but there is a mix-up here. In "The
Return of the Lloigor" and THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE the Voynich Mss. (an
undeciphered mss. from the 1300's or early 1600's, depending on who you talk
to). The NECRONOMICON you're thinking of is a supposed decipherment of a
mss. by John Dee and Edward Kelly.
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Bob ps?
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:12:54 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get a picture of JR Bob Dobbs in postscript
format? I know there's one by FTP at quartz.rutgers.edu, 
but that site has been inaccessable fo days. That's the only site
given by archie. I need pictures of Bob to decorate my dorm room with.
Thanks. Please reply to : D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU and not to this newsgroup.
(I won't get it if you post it to the newsgroup)

  Please!!!

   Thanks,

      Dana
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Organization: Vision Graphics
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:10:16 GMT
Distribution: alt

In article <1992Aug26.113114.3205@clpd.kodak.com|  fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613)) writes:
| In article <18an2cj.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
| >PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!
|>If you don't know what the Roswell Incedent is,if you think Alien Abduction is
| >Mexican Slave Trade, if you have never heard of Project Blue-Book, or Project Grudge, PLEASE DO NOT POST TO THIS NEWS GROUP. READ A UFO book. It's really a much
| >better investment of your time, and everyone else's present!
| >
[ ... more ranting and raving from jeffp@netcom.com, omitted ... ]

| Why the hell would I want to do that?  This is alt.conspiracy.
| 
| Check where you're cross-posting to next time.
[ ... ]

	I've seen this problem before.  Someone will do a 'follow-up' post to
	a message, and then not realize (because of their ignorance or state
	of mind) that the post will also go to other groups... sometimes leading
	to errors like the above post.  That has really been a problem on the
	net, and I wonder if there is a better way to circumvent it.

	Anyways, regarding TOP SECRET levels and the such.  I have been asked
	to elaborate on the fact that there are levels of TOP SECRET that
	are above the President.  A friend who was in the military confirmed
	this, and I read about some of the code names in some book (which I
	can't seem to find) somewhere.  Does anyone here have some information
	about it that I can pass on?  (please cite references)

	I'm also curious about what the people in alt.conspiracy think about
	the US (and other countries) and the UFO 'cover-up'.  (I haven't
	really been able to get a general consenus in alt.alien.visitors,
	as there are always ridiculous flame-wars going on about who is
	right and who is wrong.. bla bla bla ;)

	Thanks.

	Forrest

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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: The Rapture!
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 21:22:16 GMT
Distribution: alt
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <Bu0otK.FF9@acsu.buffalo.edu>, acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond) writes:
|> >			  Jesus is coming on
|> > 
|> >			     Oct 28, 1992
|> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> 		We need an Antichrist first, don't we?

     How about Saddam Hussein?  We've blamed him for just about 
everything else!

Jared Dahl
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| Systems Programmer     |  my brain IBM"                           |
| IBM - Rochester, MN    |              -- STYX,  "Mr. Roboto"      |
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Opinions expressed are mine, not IBM's.
From: wlamonac@tagore.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Apocalypse Culture (was Re: the rapture)
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:33:14 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <Bu17LL.FoJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mark andrew fenster) writes:
>[text of billboards "advertising" Jesus' imminent return and the
>coming rapture deleted]
>
>You laugh (and you are right to laugh) at this stuff, but there's
>been some stuff written (in both the 1st and 2nd editions of
>_Apocalypse Culture_, for example) on the conspiracy theories/
>obsessions associated with such biblical prophecy by none
>other than that former president of the Screen Actor's Guild,
>Ronald Reagan, whose finger may or may not have itchily
>handled the Big Button while thinking about Jesus' return.
>

Speaking of the book _Apocalypse Culture_, what do you think of the Masonic
conspiracy article that was in it? (I think it was entitled something like
"King Kill 33") Basically it stated that the Masons were powerful magicians
who were on the verge of world domination because of the high level spell
called "King Kill" (?).  It was a three part spell- the first was the killing
of the king (JFK assassination), the second was "Drawing down the moon"
(the astronauts bringing back moonrocks) and I forget the third part. (I
believe it might have had to do with nuclear testing.)

Anyway, the author, who claims to be in hiding because he knows too much, 
cites the fact that Masons were involved in all of the above and are about to
take over.  Has anyone read any of this elsewhere?
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From: tford@convex.com (Tom Ford)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,rec.autos
Subject: Re: UAW uses strike to lash out at Saturns!
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:15:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Since I bought my SL2 in march I've gotten a few letters from the president of
Saturn that include surveys, etc.  I thought it was strange that the letters 
were signed by the president and the UAW representative (I forgot his title).
It made it look like UAW was a partner in the company.  I guess they
are in some repect, but it turned me off.

Tom Ford
From: lesmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lee Harvey Oswald Smith)
Subject: Re: The Necronomicon and H.P. Lovecraft
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:17:23 GMT

sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:

>I recently checked through some library catalogues, and found, much to
>my amazement that the Necronomicon, by Abdul Alhazred, really exists,
>and that there is a copy in the Uni. of Boston library.
>Previously I thought that the Necronomicon was made up by H.P.
>Lovecraft, author of the Cthulhu Mythos stories.
>Does anyone know:
>	- Are the passages quoted from the Necronomicon (about
>shoggoths, the old ones, et cetera) genuine?
>	- How much else in Lovecraft's stories is true?
>	- What were the circumstances of Lovecraft's death?

Also, could it be that the Gray aliens from Zeta Reticuli are not really aliens
at all, but rather these massless multidimensional beings?
    - Nobody *ever* sees a shoggoth nowadays (at last I have never met anyone
who has), but many people have seen aliens
    - Aliens, like the Deep ones, require human sacrifice, except they justify
it  as a need for fluids.
    - If any solid object tried to manoeuver like UFOs have been seen to do, it
would be torn apart.
 Could it be that people were not falling for the shoggoth schtick anymore, and
so the beings decided to repackage themselves as "aliens"?


Lee Harvey Oswald Smith
lesmith@nyx.cs.du.edu
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: LIBERAL INTOLERANCE
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:23:38 GMT

Look, I've had just about enough of these god damn conservatives whining
about how intolerant we liberals are, understand? NOW KNOCK IT OFF!!!

.... oh shit, our cover is blown ... 

oh well, might as well admit everything now ...


Actually, we control all of the major newspapers in the United States, including
the Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times and New York Times. Any criticism
you see in any of these newspapers of conservatives is obviously an example of
this. As you know, neither we nor are ideas are ever criticized in public, ever.

Also, some people may have tried to fool you into believing that belittling and
harshly criticizing someone's positions is somehow different from passing
laws against dissident behavior and jailing dissidents. Don't be a sucker!
There is no difference at all!

And if you criticize this post in an way, I will make you pay!! You don't
believe me, huh? Well, you'll see, you scurvy little Nazi PIG!!! Hah!

Submit!!!!

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Rely on science not on purposeful environmental hysteria
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:25:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.233726.20762@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael
Friedman) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug29.162731.5885@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
|>writes:
|>>-In article <1992Aug26.160653.12333@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, |>In article
|>><mqa4PB1w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:
|>
|>>|>> Sources:1) Sherwood B Idso, PhD, Carbon Dioxide and global change, IBR
|>Press
|>>|>|>> Tempe, Arizona 1989
|>>|>> 2) Access to Energy newsletter, Petr Beckman, PhD Boulder Colorado
|>
|>>|>	4)  There are more CO2 resevoirs than just the atmosphere.  The oceans,
|>>|>the biosphere, and the very rocks of the earth serve as CO2
|>>|>resevoirs.  right 
|>>|>now the CO2 in the earth is being released into the atmosphere at a
|>>|>very high 
|>>|>rate, which in turn affects the other CO2 "sinks".  These do provide
|>>|>something
|>>|>of a buffering effect, but not a great deal is really known about their
|>>|>interaction and how it relates to global warming.  
|>
|>>The only real conclusion that can be made is that we are probably
|>>increasing the 
|>>amount of CO2 in the atmosphere at a dangerously high rate. 
|>
|>Mind telling us where you get the 'probably' from?  Also, we need a
|>definition of 'dangerously' for this statement to make sense.

I used to have a tangential interaction with the atmospheric physics/ global
warming crew about four years ago. The models do indeed predict global warming
but the problem is that the models don't match observation without adding in
fudge factors. Global warming is not proven beyond resonable doubt in the way
that the problems of acid rain and the destruction of the Ozone layer are. This
is to a large degree because the effects have only recently been analysed,
global warming started to be taken seriously about five years ago. With CFCs it
was fifteen years ago,

In addition the Global warming effects are more subtle and complex. There are
feedback mechanisms that should readjust the balance. The question is of whether
we are pushing the feedback systems to hard, As an analogy take the problem of a
big rock balanced precariously on another. It is easy to predict that the rock
will fall off and squash someone, predicting which direction it will fall off in
is much trickier. Global warming is not about the climate getting hotter, its
about the climate getting much more extreeme.

I am not arguing that =because global warming is yet to be understood and proven
beyond all doubt that something should not be done. The problem of CFCs and the
Ozone layer would not have been so troublesome had action been taken earlier.
The question is one of risk, is it worth taking the risk of ignoring "global
warming" as a potential threat?

Certainly I think that we should follow the advice of the title of this series,
rely on science not on Birch society propaganda.

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Masons
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:43:45 GMT
Organization: Boston University
In-reply-to: spinoza@next10pg2.wam.umd.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 15:31:48 GMT

In article <15181@umd5.umd.edu> spinoza@next10pg2.wam.umd.edu (J. Skorecki-Weiss) writes:
  =In article <1992Aug27.131724.2047@wkuvx1.bitnet> kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet  
  =(Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos) writes:
  =a bit deleted.............

  => > I have heard that
  => > Jack the Ripper was actualy a Mason(this is doubtful though).
  => 
  => According to an episode of "In Search Of" I managed to catch this
  => summer, Jack was supposedly someone in the Royal Family (I forget who,
  => but someone can fill that in) and therefore almost certainly a Mason
  => (most important people were).  Evidence in favor of his being a Mason
  => was the fact that at one incident, a Masonic phrase of some sort was
  => written on the walls near the victim, and washed off by a
  => fellow-mason before many others arrived, in order to preserve the
  => secrets of the lodge.
  =Well, actually, the message made a reference to "Juwes" (weren't these the  
  =architects of Solomons Temple, or something?), and the fact that they  
  =would not be blamed for the killings. The message was ordered erased by  
  =the police official in charge of the case [who probably figured that the  
  =message referred not to Masons, but to Jews, the official's  theory being  
  =that one could not expect antisemites to be intelligent enough to spell  
  =correctly] was , to prevent attacks against the Jewish community of London  
  =(blood libels being the sort of thing that was still pretty popular in  
  =Europe at the time). 

The Juwes (under the assumption that it is a Masonic reference,
and not a reference to Jews) would refer to the three brothers,
Jubela, Jubelo, and Jubelum, who, according to Freemasonic legend,
were the murderers of the master architect of Solomon's Temple, Hiram Abiff.
There's ample reference to this in many books about Masonry.

Two more cents,
Chaplin.
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michael@albert.bu.edu                     - William S. Burroughs

The Einstein Papers Project        The opinions contained herein reflect
Boston University                      neither those of the project, 
Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.A.          nor those of Albert Einstein.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: how do you start a religion
Reply-To: jota@mujave.UUCP (Joao Pedro Martins)
Organization: What ??? Never heard of it ! 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:13:33 GMT

In article <118823@muvms3.bitnet> rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM) writes:
>As far as the legal/bureaucratic stuff, I don't know. But otherwise
>how one basically "starts a religeon" is:
>
>1) Have a vision.
	
	Now that u mention it, I *DID* had a vision...

>2) Write a book about it.

	The book is called "GOD EXISTS: How I knew Gina !"
	(published by DONTPLAYBOY corp or whatever...)

>3) Declare war on some other religeon, conquer it, and take its place.

	GINA ! GINA ! GINA !
	VOTE FOR GINA ! WE DON'T WANT NO MORE BUDAS, JESUS, ETC !
	GINA !!!!!! THE RIGHT VOTE IN '92.

----
 joao Pedro Martins, Lisboa, Portugal - jota@tutor.UUCP
 
 "Carpe Diem, she muttered... we seize the day.	
  Well, sometimes, the day seizes back !" (Psychodrome) 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613))
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:31:14 GMT

In article <18an2cj.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!
>If you don't know what the Roswell Incedent is, if you think Alien Abduction is
>Mexican Slave Trade, if you have never heard of Project Blue-Book, or Project Grudge, PLEASE DO NOT POST TO THIS NEWS GROUP. READ A UFO book. It's really a much
>better investment of your time, and everyone else's present!
>
>Is there a FAQ for this group:
>?????????????????????????????????
>I think we need one if there is not. I've seen one mentioned, but I haven't the foggiest where it is...
>
>Jeff-

Why the hell would I want to do that?  This is alt.conspiracy.

Check where you're cross-posting to next time.

-- 
Chris Fischer (fischer@serum.clpd.KODAK.com)
They never even listen to my opinion, why would they make it policy?
"The healthy gum tissue of our liberties are being eaten away by the 
 periodontal disease of government regulation." - D.Barry
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From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: FILE: UFO OCTOBER SURPRISE - C.A.C. part 2/2
Keywords: NAZI WORLD TAKEOVER PLAN - NEW WORLD ORDER
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug29.193917.15933@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>
>----UFO NAZI OCTOBER SURPRISE - CAC part 2--------------------------------

      Shouldn't that be CACA?  Just curious.

                                dale bass
-- 
C. R. Bass                                           crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia                            (804) 924-7926
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: 31 Aug 1992 23:49:06 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: kck+@cs.cmu.edu's message of Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:45:54 GMT

In article <BtrwwJ.89A.2@cs.cmu.edu> kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge) writes:
   > From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)

   > A ``Voynich Manuscript'' Necronomicon - this one was perpetrated by
   > Colin Wilson, unless I have my occultists confused.  Has a prologue
   > about how the Necronomicon manuscript was discovered in the plaimpsest
   > of some other manuscript and painstakingly recovered.  Out of print, I
   > believe.

   You don't have your occultists confused, but there is a mix-up here. In "The
   Return of the Lloigor" and THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE the Voynich Mss. (an
   undeciphered mss. from the 1300's or early 1600's, depending on who you talk
   to). The NECRONOMICON you're thinking of is a supposed decipherment of a
   mss. by John Dee and Edward Kelly.

That was the nicest thing about this version.  Wilson had already used
the same gimmick in one of his stories, then put forth a variant of it
as the truth.  Just hilarious.  (By the way, thanks for correcting me
on what mss it was in which the Necronomicon was purportedly
discovered.  I was pretty sure it wasn't Voynich, but just stuck the
name in there as a placeholder for ``some legendary mss''.)

-30-
Bob

Ih his house at R'lyeh, dead Chthulhu lies dreaming.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Spy Magazine Links Wackenhut, Iraqgate
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 05:19:37 GMT


John Connolly, who did an article on the John Nichols/Cabazon
Indian aspect of the Casolaro investigation, has returned in the
September issue with more dirt on Wackenhut. One focus of the 
article is Wackenhut's apparent involvement with helping build
up Iraq's chemical warfare capability. The excerpts below are
from a "flow chart" inset in a box on page 51.

Regan/Bush administrations decide to support Iraq militarily
          l
          V
CIA implements covert operation to supply Iraq with arms
          l
          V
CIA enlists ret. general/war profiteer Richard Secord to
Help Iraqui arms dealer Ihsan Barbouti
          l
          V
Secord enlists Wakenhut's help in assisting Barbouti
          l
          V
Two high-ranking Wackenhut executives assigned to Iraqi
project. Wackenhut provides travel service for Barbouti
and another arms dealer, and security for a plant in which
Barbouti invested.
          l
          V
Wackenhut director dispatches Wackenhut investigator David
Ramirez to ride shotgun for a Barbouti truck carrying 
chemical technology from Texas to Chicago and on to Iraq
          l
          V
Same director later flies to Venezuela to provoke ouster
of Presidential aide. (see box, page 54)

<end of excerpt>
Good article. Recommended.
-Steve
From: rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Kulturkampf
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:44:06 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA


I find it easy to believe that Buchanan has some strongly facist tendencies.
I do think that comparing him to Hitler misses the mark. He's much closer
in his orientation to someone like General Franco of Spain. Franco was the
kind of Catholic who was more conservative than 90% of the college of 
Cardinals. Hitler had a much stranger appeal, the Nazi party included 
folks very sympatheic to the communist economic platform and some 
large industrial backers. Now I do think that many of the conditions that
might give rise to a Hitler do exist in the United States. Chief among 
these is an extreme polarization of the political spectrum and a breakdown
in dialogue between opposing political sides. We've seen a tendency 
towards extremism in this country on _both_ sides of the political spectrum.
On one hand we have folks like Jesse Jackson defending the rather calloused
rhetoric of Sister Soulja, on the other hand we have folks like David
Duke and Buchanan rising in prominence. IMHO these two groups feed off
from each other(hell, if I was on a GOP dirty tricks squad, I couldn't have
paid enough to get Sister S to spout of like she did). The real issue to 
examine is the symbiosis between these two phenomena. The culture that
created Hitler, was a culture in which consensus and dialogue seemed 
unattainable. What Hitler did was to bring together some seemingly
contradictory tendencies in a bizarre coalition.
 
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