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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 01:05:56 CDT
From: <UD124895@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Field Collisions
 <1992Apr13.115512.3295@newcastle.ac.uk> <92105.144016ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>

  In regards to Andy C. Saylor's question about warp fields, The book
"My Enemy, My Ally" by Diane Duane has the Enterprise and Intrepid
overlapping their warp fields with a Romulan ship (Bloodwing) to
gain some speed.  I seem to remeber the book saying something about
this being dangerous.  "non-cannon" but a good book with a good idea
and explanation (wish I could quote....but the book is not with)

                    Matthew McCowan
                    GTA/GSA Computer Science
                    University of North Dakota
From: Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk (M.D. O'Leary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Field Collisions
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:55:12 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

Re the recent discussion:
>>
>>I was wondering what would happen if, say, the big E. and another warp-capable
>>ship came VERY close to each other.  I mean so close that their warp fields 
>
>But I don't think the results would be catastrophic, simply because if
>it were dangerous to coincide warp fields then there would be a safety
>precaution built into the control system.  When interference is
>detected, the warp field would shut down to prevent destruction.

The *timing* required would be errr. difficult. As soon as one ship triggers
the warp field, it'll be too far away to be influenced by the startup of
another warpfield behind it in normal space. The ships computers would have to 
be *cooperating* to get both fields on at the same instant- and we all hope
that they wouldn't want to do that, no?

             if
However, what^one ship starts to warp while v.close to another anyway? Wont the
tidal forces be trying to accelerate at least part of ship2 along with ship1?

Could this be used offensively?
Could a shuttle approaching to dock be dragged into warp with the main ship?
Would the excess 'drag' on the warp fields of extra matter (eg remains of ship2 
or shuttle) cause a loss of speed? or uneven warp field disrupting the vessel?
              
Just some thoughts from a non-obsessed trek fan: the answers are probably  
already out there....

Later,
Mark
From: genius@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Michael Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: USS Asimov?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:32:50 PDT
Organization: TradeNET Corp., Castlegar, BC CAN

Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> What's all this talk about an ASIMOV class starship? Granted, he was
> important to science and to science fiction.  But, gee, it seems like
> everyone's forgotten another dude, who recently died, who is much more
> deserving of his own class of starship than Asimov. (At least, IMO)
> 
> What about a Roddenberry class?  Why does Asimov get preferential treatment?
> I don't believe he ever even wrote an episode of Star Trek, did he?  (Would'v
> been neat if he had, though.)
> 
> ------------
> Kurt Ludwick
> ------------

Okay.  I can handle that.  I think they should BOTH get something.  They 
both contributed a great deal to science fiction and they are both very 
deserving of that kind of honor.
From: jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Dilithium replication
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:58:03 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


          Dilithium can't be replicated for a simple reason... It has a 
"fourth" dimentional aspect to it (for lack of a better word). It extends into
the same dimention used for sub-space communications.

Ciao
J G Currie
From: btarbox@sw.stratus.com (Brian Tarbox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Field Collisions
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:05:55 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Boggles the MIND) writes

> 	Perhaps a phenom. much like NASA pukes use to accelerate Galileo



Where does a university punk get off calling NASA pukes?
Grow up punk.
From: Anthony_Battles_-T@cso.3mail.3com.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: what would you like to see a starship named?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:22:00 GMT

How something reliable from the past.

NCC-1945  USS STUDEBAKER


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From: lpfaig@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: New TNG uniforms
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:44:34 GMT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

Please read exit!
From: mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporter nightmares
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:59:58 GMT
Organization: Twin Peaks Sheriff Department

In article <1992Apr8.135205.1@pa881a.inland.com> nason@pa881a.inland.com writes:
>Assume over the next fifty years we manage to develop the technology.  Sure the
>energy costs savings alone would push it to instant popularity.  Then imagine
>the employment demagraphics etc.. etc...
>
>Now assume that our morality has not changed all that much, good assumption
>looking over the last fifty years.  How do we stop terrorists, murderers,
>kidnappers, burgalars etc.. from using the technology for there own gains.  The
>thought of it is mind boggling.  How do you stop it?  Require anti-transport
>shields?? There goes the cost savings!  Remeber, transporting is not like
>answering a phone, you can beam in anywhere.  
>
>When you think of it in these terms, you hope the damn thing never gets built. 

Wel, I guess it'd have to be kept only for use in operations
of some goverment organization like a navy or spacefleet.
And only have pre-set teleporters for public use.


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From: lpfaig@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: exit
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:41:56 GMT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

who posted stuff about new TNG uniforms?

The article said something about that jacket Picard wears.

Just E-mail me the details.

Lance
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Subject: Re: What are those points of light, anyway?
From: Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:11:04 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr06.020924.4870@ecst.csuchico.edu> jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jesse William Leo Stuart) writes:
>	They are what stars are supposed to look like when seen through
>the warpfield surrounding the ship.  If you were travelling faster than
>light (let's say your dating a tachion?) your perspective would change
>noticably, the same way your perspective changes when you drive down the
>road.

   Yes but to attain that kind of movement a starship would have to be
travelling in the hundred thousand kilo-light range. And yet the best the
enterprise is *routinely* capable of is a mere few thousand times the speed
of light.

  To quote the HHGTG "Space is big,really big! You just won't beleive how
mindbogglingly big it is...". No these particles must be some local effect
around the ship, presumably particles entering/leaving/being eaten by the 
Warp field. It is a shame that Paramount hasn't placed this kind of info
in the TNG Tech manual - mind you I'd like to *see* the TNG Tech manual at
some point....

   Philip



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From: petitc@nuge105.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Subspace vs. Antispace
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:37:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.213121.25076@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes:
|> In article <#l4tqpn@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
|> >  I was plugging some funny (imaginary) numbers into some quantum physical
|> >equations and came up with a NEGATIVE probability curve.  When I consider this,
|> >and the fact that, if you put in a velocity v, greater than c, you get an
|> >imaginary number (NEVER complex, but imaginary).  To me, this signifies a space
|> >that you enter to go faster than c. 
|> >
|> >  In this anti-space, ONLY a v>c is permitted, with velocities approaching c (e.g.
|> >slowing down) take more energy.  What relation is this antispace to subspace?  And
|> >if there is none, then what IS subspace?  I mean, I've read the TNG Tech Manual,
|> >but it never specifies what subspace is.
|> 
|> If this were the case then it would take zero energy to go infinitly fast!
|> 
|> BTW, I thought that Complex numbers were imaginary numbers?

  Not quite.  Firstly, you must expend ZERO energy---including your imaginary
mass.  This means that you can't EVER have less energy than your mass.  Secondly,
Complex numbers (mathematically) are of the form a+bi, where i=sqare root of -1,
and a and b are real numbers.  The imaginary numbers have a=0.  So, no, it's not
complex.


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From: prall968@Armstrong.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: USS Asimov?
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:19:00 GMT
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA

In article <1992Apr9.175830.9491@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs201139@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs201139) writes:
>>Is there a USS Asimov?
>>
>>If not...There should be!
>
>Damn straight! And it should be more of those unnamed Galaxy Class ships...

Well I know in my Federation ship recognition manual there is a USS Tolstoy!
I shall check for an Asimov...

Gene Prall  prall968@pirates.armstrong.edu
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From: jwindley%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: STAR TREK SHIP TYPES
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:10:33 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: na

thanatos@iastate.edu (Bradley C Karsjens) writes:
>
>The Enterprise-A was a modified Constitution class.

Just got back from the dollar-a-seat showing of ST6.  Remember the
scene where Scotty is looking over plans of a starship labelled
"Constitution Class Starship?"  Well, along the BOTTOM edge of the
plans was written "USS Enterprise."  I think it's safe to assume that
Scotty was looking at the specific plans for ENTERPRISE and not just
the general plans for the class.  I can't remember if this was an
issue or not, but that's what I saw.

I also looked very carefully at all the displays which appeared on
screen.  I could see absolutely no reference to transwarp.  Further,
the powerplant is referred to by both Spock and Scotty as "the warp
drive."

The scenes in Engineering showed a pulsating blue reactor, just as is
seen in TNG.

If 1701-A had transwarp, I see absolutely no evidence of it.  Ditto
for EXCELSIOR.
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From: jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jon Hodapp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporter nightmares
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:47:55 GMT
Organization: JHU/APL

In article <1992Apr9.163854.26250@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr9.153250.14722@gtech.com> rbe@gtech.com (Robert B. Easterbrooks) writes:
> >In article <1992Apr8.135205.1@pa881a.inland.com> nason@pa881a.inland.com writes:
> 
> 
> Larry Niven, of course!  He wrote several stories based on transport booths.
> 
> 
> -- 
>         
> 

Howz about Bester's 'The Star My Destination'?  A real neat book that dealt more
with the society as a result of the teleportation, than the mechanism itself
(though that was a big part of the plot).  Gangs of criminals teleporting West, 
one step ahead of the sun, always operating at night.  Cool stuff.

I know that this is about to be headed to rec.arts.sf.somewhere.else, but until
then if anyone has a favourite teleportation story/novel/author/essay/
working device plans, please e-mail (or beam) to below address.

Jon               JMHODAPP@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 09:38:43 CDT
From: Habeeb Jad Dihu <U53475@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject:    Transwarp vs Warp

Hiya gang,

I haven't posted in a while and this is my first RAST posting so bear with me:

I am a director/owner of what is called a MUSE - a Multi User Simulated
Environment - that has a theme of Star Trek as it is AFTER the sixth movie -
The Undiscovered Country.  It is a MUD style game where people come and explore
the Trek Universe and generally have TONS of fun.  Anyways, that's it for the
background..now for the problem:

We are finishing up designs and calculations for 'Space' and various engine and
shield designs and have run into a couple of problems.  The first and foremost
is this:

Transwarp Drive - does it exist or doesn't it.  Bear in mind we CANNOT use
                  ANYTHING TNG based nor ANY history or account from TNG be it
                  canon or not.  The ONLY thing we have to use are what would
                  be 'current' Star Trek info from anything through the movies.
                  Anything that extrapolates more than the movies cannot be
                  used at all.  The problem is that we SEE the Excelsior in
                  Star Trek III and it DOES have transwarp.  We also see it in
                  Star Trek VI and we don't KNOW if it does or not.  I believe
                  it STILL has transwarp whereas some friends of mine disagree.

                  If there IS transwarp, then what are it's capabilities and
                  what can it do BETTER than normal warp engines?  Which ships
                  were equipped with them?  Were they more fuel efficient?


My next question is rather simple:  Can someone enlighten me as to EXACTLY what
the ship classes were and their capabilities/armaments are?

How about shields and weapons?...What do they do SPECIFICALLY?

I appreciate any/all responses in advance.

Thank You

Habeeb Dihu aka MacGyver on TOS TrekMUSE at 149.142.136.3 port 1701

C'mon and join us sometime..Look me up, tell me you read about me here..be
happy to help you out :)
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Subject: Re: FED. SECURITY PERSONNEL vs STORM TROOPERS.
From: Joel.Caesar@alpha.bgsu.edu (Joel Caesar)
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:21:40 GMT
Organization: The day begins at midnight - Fox BBS

While it is true that stormtroopers appear to be mindless and extremely to "force-ful" suggestions...  The armor they are wearing helps a little.  Only a direct shot to the armor will allow a blast to go through.  If one of those red-shirts gets hit... that's the end of them.  The Stun setting on a stormtroopers rifle also has a wider area than the stun on a MArk V phaser.
 
And to all of you who want STAR WARS to continue, George Lucas just ordered 3000 more stormtrooper uniforms to be fabricated.  Unless they plan on opening 1000 more StarTours, I think all of Lucas' negativities are simply a ploy so he can suprise us with the film.  Besides I know someone who is supposed to be working on it.. Just thought I'd ad that side note.
 


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From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Speed and Relativity?
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:01:38 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

HI Steve,

     To answer your question about relativity, inwhich it only affects things
only at sublight speeds -yes and no.  According to Eistein, as an object begins
to approach the speed of light (.4c - c=Speed of Light), aging for the object
begins to slow to a crawl; by the time the object is at c, the effect of Time
upon it doesn't exist.  This is all based on Newtonian physics taking into 
account the variables of gravity; speed, acceleration, and mass of object;
and the distance travelled by object.
According to all my Trek technical stuff, warp physics circumvents Newtonian
physics -thus all theories related to it (including relativity) is bypassed -
rendering the time factor irrelelvent.
What warp physics does, is explain the creating of artificial fields (possibly
gravitonic pulses) that distorts a certain area of space around an object -
placing the object in a sort of "null" space, inwhich the mass of the object
is either reduced to the mass of subatomic particles or cancelled; this type
of physics would cancel Newtonian physics of an object -since the mass has
been reduced to a point below the minimum for the Newtonian Gravitaic constant 
to apply.  Though the mass of an object is reduced, this doesn't affect the
size of the object -size is relative.
Einstein, himself, said that for an object to go beyond the limit of c, it 
would have to cease its existance in our physical plane; this brought about the
conjectures and theories of Hyperspace; In ST and STNG, starships don't enter
hyperspace but generate an interface between physical space (The Universe) and
an artificially created space inwhich mass is shunted out to for c-exceeded 
speeds -thus whenever the Enterprise or any other starship enters warp speed,
it is partially in physical space travelling beyond c -while most of it is 
within the artificially created space beyond the effects of Relativity.

Now in the original ST and in the movies, the nacelles would generate the field
and the impulse deck would create thrust.  In STNG, the nacelles would generate
the fields and thrust by field manipulations, which is suppose to be more 
efficient method of warp propulsion than the original Enterprise.


                             Hope this works for you Steve,

                                    Ned
                                    St. Peter's College
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From: jwindley%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Q: Quad / KiloQuad, what is it ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:54:20 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

rbr4@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Roland Roberts) writes:
>    Whilst reading the ST:TNG tech manual by Sternbach and Okuda, I
>    came across the mention of a measure of computer storage called
>    a "Quad".  Can anyone tell me what it means and how it
>    translates into modern kilobytes or megabytes (if possible).
>
>Its a big book---where is this referenced (page)?

Doesn't matter.  The only help you get is in the glossary, where a
quad is defined as "a unit of computer storage capacity."

There is no canonical definition of a quad.  I think this is done on
purpose, because it hasn't yet been necessary for dramatic purposes to
know the storage capacity of ENTERPRISE's computer in real-life terms.

We don't even know for sure if ENTERPRISE computers use a binary
representation format, although I suspect they do.  But if they don't,
there may not be any way to relate "quad" to bytes or bits in a
meaningful way.

I've heard speculations ranging from "quad = 4 bytes" to "quad = 1
quadrillion bits."

I've heard it said that the optimal computer representation is
trinary, or three possible states per element.  Okay, so if a "bit" is
a "Binary digIT,"  what do we call a "Trinary digIT?"
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From: genius@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Michael Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ** Request for help on ST Tech paper **
Keywords: Thermodynamics
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:41:19 PDT
Organization: TradeNET Corp., Castlegar, BC CAN

mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes:

> In article <15APR199217131068@rosie.uh.edu> inde6tx@rosie.uh.edu (Jay Jimenez
> > I am looking for some info. on how (and on which episodes) ST:TNG uses 
> >technology or principles that break the laws of thermodynamics. My main
> >concern is the misuse of laws :
> >      1) Energy is conserved. (You can never get more energy out of a system
> >         than you put in.OR. You can NEVER get more toothpaste out of the tu
> >         than the toothpaste that was put in.)
> 
> I don't know where you get this idea!       If you
> take the toothpaste tube and squeeze it really tight, 
> you can get all the toothpaste out. But, if you then 
> *roll the tube up* you can get much more toothpaste
> out (maybe even as much as 3 or 4 days worth).
> 
> Matt
> .
> @

However, you will NEVER get out more than has been put in.  If the factory 
put in 50 mL then you will never be able to squeeze out 51 mL without 
refilling it.  I think that is what he was talking about.
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