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From: DAVIDSON@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC)
Subject: Re: Emmy for Patrick Stewart
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:21:07 GMT

In article <DEMILLO.92Dec30105708@dogberry.juliet.ll.mit.edu>
demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo ) writes:
 
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: (stuff omitted)
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>Another point of contention. Its hard for a science fiction show to
>get anything other than special effects, editing and other technical
>awards. (Which TNG has been constantly doing, by the way.) The
>rumor is that Steward was supposed to be nominated for his performance
>in both "The Last Goodbye" and "The Measure of a Man," from the
>first two seasons...it never materialized.
>
 
I recall that 'The Menagerie' won an Emmy for ST:TOS -- that nifty
episode that recycled the original pilot and made it into a story
about Christopher Pike's 'recovery' from injury.  Can anybody confirm
that?
 
I believe that was *not* an Emmy for special effects.  I believe it
was for script, correct?
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Fred Davidson
"Roads?  Where we're going we won't need *roads*!"
                              (-Doc Brown)
From: kubler@hardy.u.washington.edu (Michael Kubler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN uniforms
Date: 3 Jan 1993 22:37:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Hello, upon reading the now famous TV guide article about
DSN I noticed that the uniforms are not the same for the 
DSN folk as for everyone else in star fleet does anyone know
the  reason for this?
Also folks stick a local distribution on the posts concerning
dates and times for your local stations believe it or not
there is life outside chicago....
Michael
From: silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Turbo lift - What gives?
Keywords: turbolift, button...
Date: 26 Dec 92 04:11:30 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1hgjnvINNb5@uwm.edu> simon@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David Joseph Simon) writes:
>Since when did they have to press a button to gain access to the turbo lift doors?
>Even in the TOS, all they had to do was just walk right on board.  Now, all of a sudden, they have to press a button to get on the thing.
>What gives?  

Since the third or fourth season, when TNG began to make minor upgrades in
the show's sets, doors have had doorbell buttons and turbolifts have had
call buttons. No reason has been given, but such a system would probably
be more reliable than whatever optical sensors would have to be postulated
to exist before...


-- 
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Mather House 100             Director: Civil Liberties     These opinions aren't
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silvers3@husc.harvard.edu ________________________________ CLUH.  But who knows?
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From: pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:44:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.230740.11577@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> tcwang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Tom C Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.225700.499@fsl.noaa.gov> jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff) writes:
>>christopher stone (cstone@husc8.harvard.edu) wrote:
>>I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
>>competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?
>>And, don't get me wrong.  I'm really not trying to flame about sexism
>>or ageism.  I'm just trying to find some good examples of women as 
>>competent role models, and so far I can't remember any having emerged.
>>I'm just curious about this, not trying to start anything.
>>- Jennifer
>>  jkl@md.fsl.noaa.gov
>>
>What about the woman who designed the EnterpriseD?  I don't know how I forgot 
>her name...finals must have fried my mind.
>She was intelligent and competent, and I think she would be a great role
>model.
>
>Tom.

	Leah Brahms.  That's *one* (out of *how* many female characters
we've seen?).  (I don't even know whether to count Riker's lover, the J'nai:
s/he was intelligent and competent, but was s/he male or female?)

-- 
Peter Johnson, University of Waterloo:  pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
__________________________________________________________________________
 
"What Hamlet said with _irony_ I say with _conviction_:  'What a piece of
From: myst@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:13:28 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <27DEC92.20402618@vax.clarku.edu>, mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>
> Nope.  The DS9 ad was "part of" TNG as beamed from Paramount to all the 
> stations that carry TNG.  Channel 5 won't be carrying DS9.  They were given 
> first option on it (as all TNG-carriers were I believe) but turned it down.  
> Best guess is they weren't interested in The Untouchables, which was sold in a 
> bundle with DS9.  They're a network affiliate and only have so much network 
> time to blow away.
>  
> On a related note, I'm wondering about ratings for 56 for DS9.  They are 
> showing it Sunday night, while 64 in Providence is Saturday night.  Also, 64 
> is showing the premier 4 days before 56.  [I'm near Worcester, where we get 
> both channels on cable and broadcast].  To beat all to death, 56 is stereo, 64 
> isn't.  [for others, 5 and 64 show TNG at the same time.] 
> 
	The fact that WCVB isn't showing DS9, sucks for all us north of
Boston and in southern New Hampshire. We won't be seeing DS9 because the
cable companies don't always carry 56 or the New Hampshire "Star Trek"
station which is located too far north. ARGH!!!


> /----------------------------------------------------------------------------\
> | > <    Mitch Cohen * Multimedia consultant * MCohen@vax.clarku.edu         |

			Myst@Drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Update on Smithsonian Trek exhibit
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:40:17 GMT

The latest word is that the Star Trek exhibit at the Smithsonian
Air and Space Museum will run through January; the exhibit's
last day will be 31 Jan.  Passes are required only when the exhibit
gets crowed; other times you just walk right in (as I did today :-)).
They make the decision on whether to require passes on a daily, or
even hourly basis; they said that generally they needed only
on weekend mornings; other times it's walk-in.  I did not notice
any changes in the exhibit since I visited it last summer.  It's
well worth seeing for any Treknoid visiting DC.

On a related subject, a while ago someone posted that the bridge
of the old Enterprise that appeared in the "Relics" episode featuring
Scotty could not have been the real original, since, the poster 
asserted, "the original bridge is on display at the Smithsonian",
or words to that effect.  This is not correct; they have the original
helm/navigation console (in *very* bad condition), and a very rough
simulation of the captain's chair you can sit in and have your
picture taken (not located anywhere near the console, by the way),
but there is no bridge, real or otherwise.

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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:14:51 GMT

In article <149@bbx.basis.com> anewton@bbx.basis.com (Allen J. Newton) writes:
>In Article 21173 cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>
	STUFF DELETED****

>    which had been commissioned.  Anyway....  Does anyone remember the name
>    of the episode with Nagaelum?
>
This episode was "Where Silence has Lease".  It was the second episode of
the second season.

Siva
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:53:34 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec18.165041.7682@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:

>An original show with a strong female lead will find it tough going, 

Remember "Remington Steele?"

>Women can more easily carry a show if it's a comedy,
>where they can be buffoons and not a threat to male power; 

Well, Remington Steele was a comedy, but Laura Holt was
not a buffoon. If anything, that role was filled by her
"boss," Remington Steele.


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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Troi's section
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:58:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1559@ncrbeth.BethlehemPA.NCR.COM> alw@ncrbeth.BethlehemPA.NCR.COM (Al Wiemann) writes:
>Possible small spoiler
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>that she is attached to the medical section.  Therefore even if she was an
>admiral she couldn't have ever taken operational command of the big "E".

I almost avoided this thread because of the "Troi's <blank>" format of
the subject line...  Wonder how many kill files avoided it before the
user ever knew it?

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From: quinn@lclark.edu (Chris Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:57:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan4.035716.21722
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Dec17.225700.499@fsl.noaa.gov> jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff) writes:
>I know there have also been plenty of men shown as idiots on the show, but
>I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
>competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?

I think one possibly strong woman was Leah Brahms, in "Galaxy Child" and an 
earlier show.  She was the person who helped design the E's engines.  She 
was a kinda no-nonsense person, who thought Geordi was way out of line in 
way he was treating her (after she learned why).  I didn't like much of 
"Galaxy Child," but I liked the character of Leah Brahms.

Granted, however, she is not a regular of the show, so go figure ;-)

the eskimo
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Subject: DS9??????
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:50:46 GMT

Just heard about DS9.  What's it about?

Ted Feuerbach - Scientific Systems Consultant
Disclaimer:     Monsanto didn't say this, I did!
Stupid Quote:   Money is simply alcohol in a 
                more easily transportable form.
                                          - Me
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Latest ST:DSN Schedule
Date: 24 Dec 92 07:00:58 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


Here is the first of many postings regarding ST:DSN scheduling.


1/2   1/02/93     		Emissary
  3   1/09/93  404		Past Prologue
  4   1/16/93  403		A Man Alone
  5   1/23/93  405		Babel

Unconfirmed:

  6   1/30/93  406		Q-Less
  7   2/06/93  407		The Passenger
      2/13/93  401		Emissary, Pt I
      2/20/93  402		Emissary, Pt II
  8   2/27/93  408		Sore Losers
  9   3/06/93  409		Friends and Foes
      3/13/93  404R		Past Prologue
      3/20/93  405R		A Man Alone
 10   3/27/93  410		Captive Pursuit

The date is the first date of satellite uplink.  Paramount's official
'week of' is two days later.  Stardates will be added when known.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command I
Keywords: [cardassians], [romulans]
Date: 25 Dec 92 18:19:24 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <BzIMDw.BL2@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dkgardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dan Gardiner) writes:
>    Okay, I just saw CoC part I yesterday and it seemed like most other TNG
>  episodes to me, okay but nothing spectacular.  The one thing that bothered
>  me about the story though is the fact that the entire thing was a trap set
>  by the Cardassians for Picard.  I dunno, to me the Cardassians haven't been
>  built up in the series to be capable of pulling off something like this.

Well, they haven't really been built up in the series to be ANYthing.  They're
toal nonentities.  The only things we know about them are that they've
occupied Bajor for decades, and that they have warships which can't even
scratch the paint of the Enterprise or the Phoenix.

>  The entire thing seemed to me better suited as a Romulan ploy.  We know
>  that they are capable of pulling off something like this, they surely have
>  a grudge against Picard, and it has been said that with the Romulans "it's
>  always a chess game."

I agree that this story would have been better suited for the Romulans (even
the TNG-sterilized version of the Romulans), but, they needed a story to lead
into Deep Space 9...

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
		- "Escape From The Holdfast", by Jim Hart; Captain's Log #8
From: abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:51:41 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:

> Why does it matter whether she's a military crew member or a  
> non-military crew member?  She a crew member nonetheless and has the  
> rank of Lt. Commander just like Data and La Forge, to name a couple.   
> She can and has taken control of the ship before and she can order  
> other people on the ship around like any other officer with rank higher  
> than those being ordered.


The whole idea of Troi not wearing an officer's uniform is for a since 
that Counselor Troi isn't an on-duty officer when people come to her for 
problems.... She wants to create a family atmosphere type-thing.

However, it did surprise me that she actually did wear a uniform... it 
seems that the new captain is stricter, or at least much different from 
Picard....

Speaking of which....
Any comments about the new captain?
Any comments/ideas/guesses as to whether Picard will survive and return 
to the Enterprise?

Arun Bhalla


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From: CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:16:02 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: --
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In <Bzn1sB.n46@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes:

> And isn't it amazing how on every Star Trek show and movie how the vast  
> majority of the beings encountered speak perfect English or a language  
> composed of English words?  How convienient.

Oh please.  How often does this need to be mentioned?  It's a TV SHOW!
Would you prefer half of the episodes to be 60% subtitled?  I'm sure the
actors wouldn't.  Ambassadors often learn foreign languages as a part of
their job, and in many other cases you can assume a computer/translator
is in the signal path somewhere.

Regardless, it doesn't seem too hard to accept this if you're willing to
accept all the other implausibilites that are there for the sake of drama, 
like oh say faster than light travel, time travel, sound in a vacuum,
phasers beams that are slower than C, transporters, Q, etc, etc, etc.

Relax and enjoy the show.

-Chris
chd@ece.arizona.edu
From: davez@brahms.udel.edu (David Micha Zlotkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: CoC II vs. 1984
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:36:18 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Delaware


    I really enjoyed watching Chain of Command II but I think the story
was almost eactly like that of George Orville's '1984'. Basically, the 
main idea, the torture, was the same. The Cardissan kept saying there are
five lights when there was four is exactly the same in the book when 'Big
Brother' tries to make the main character believe that 2+2=5 even when he
knows that 2+2=4. At the end, the character's spirit is broken and believes
that 2+2 does equal 5, just like Picrad belived that he saw 5 lights, but
lied to the Cardissan. And the 'pain machine' in 1984 is the same as that
torture device used by the Cardissan. Anybody else who read the book notice
it. Oh well, that's my two credits worth.

						:-) Dave :-)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: Re: ST:VII - Horror of horrors (depending on your view...)
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:00:05 GMT

gary l. schroeder writes
> In article <BzCuxu.LLC@monitor.com> howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)  
writes:
> >A friend is spreading a rumor to me that I'm wondering if anoyone can  
> >confirm.  According to him Paramount does not like to end series on an  
odd  
> >number, so a ST:VIII is almost a given.  Is this a true Paramountism?
> 
> Actually, I heard that they also like to end film series with prime
> numbers only, so if they complete ST7, they'll almost assuredly go for
> ST11:Trekked To Death.
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gary L. Schroeder  		|  If this .sig causes dizziness or  
> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov         |  vertigo, dicontinue use and consult    
> Brookhaven National Laboratory  |  your physician. 

Sheesh!  I'll make sure my friend can get access to the net so he
can enjoy the flaming as well :)!

Howard
From: jt2n+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Trivelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TNG music trax suck
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:51:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gfFw9Be00YUnQ_6WMe
Organization: Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


who the hell writes the background music for TNG?
recently, i bought a tape with tracks from 2 episodes of TOS...
Amok Time and The Doomsday Machine. the music was outstanding.
It was so much more interesting and powerful than anything i've
ever heard on TNG... and so much more memorable too!  i cant
remember anything they use on TNG except for that opening track...
which i also do not like. I think the show needs to have a
much more interesting... perhaps more SCI-FI sounding, if you will,
treament of background and incidental music. The stuff they use now
could be used on any damn prime-time show. What?!?! do they think
they're being more sophisticated by using such passive music.  Eventhough
background music is just that... background music... i think it
needs to stand on its own.
anyway... i guess what i'm talking about is a symptom of a much
larger problem... that is, Next Generation lacks vision and verve.
Sure it has its moments, but on the whole i get the feeling that
the wrong people are in control of this show.

J
 T

anyone out there agree with this?
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 1 Jan 1993 00:16:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


My vote is for Ronny Cox to go back to ST. ELSEWHERE (oh, it
was cancelled?  Too bad) and for Riker to become captain if
Patrick Stewart does decide to leave.  

Speaking of ST. ELSEWHERE, Riker may have been disrespectful
to Jellico (personally I don't think Jellico earned all that
much respect) but at least Riker didn't "moon" Jellico...

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoil
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:05:36 GMT

In article CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:

>>  As far as the implications of this episode are concerned, this should prove,
>>beyond a doubt, that Star Fleet is a military organization.  Not a very good
>>one, but military nonetheless.  Of course, the tree huggers out there who
>>happen to like startrek will remain unconvinced, but who cares.  Proof is
>>proof.

>In "Tomorrow is Yesterday", Kirk described Star Fleet as a "combined
>service".  Meanwhile, Gene Roddenberry insisted that Star Fleet was not
>military and gave the example of a Cruise Line for comparison.  In
>conclusion then, Star Fleet can be considered a Navy, Coast Guard and
>Cruise Line combined in which both explorers/diplomats like Picard and
>kick ass military men like Jelico or Kirk can feel at home.

I see Star Fleet as something akin to the explorers ships during the 1500's
and 1600's.  These boats were sent mostly for commerce reasons (find better
trade routes, search for new sources for precious materials, etc.), but I'm
sure they were armed to the teeth because of the unknown nature (at least to
them) of their voyages.  Of course, that's where the similarity ends.

I don't see any problems with a dual purpose for Star Fleet, since the
Universe is a big place, and they haven't yet discovered everything in their
sphere of influence.  Once they've truly learned everything within their
sphere of influence, then a separation of functions would probably be done,
if needed.

Jon

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