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From: micss@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Stephen Mickio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: DUKE CAN SUCK MY ...
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:17:40 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr14.183316.14487@ncsu.edu>, charles@sparc.ncsu.edu ("Lo") writes:
> lobster@phy.duke.edu (Orin A. Day) WRITES:
> 
> * >PLUS, YOU SHOULD HAVE LOST TO KENTUCKY.  LUCKY SHITS!
> 
> * And State should have lost to Houston in '83?  Give it a rest.
> 
> Nope, we weren't down by 1 point with 2.1 seconds left...
> 
> Where the hell was Duke in the 1983 NCAAs?  That's right... they WEREN'T
> there!!!
> 
> Where the hell was Duke in the 1990 NCAAs?  That's right...
> THEY GOT THEIR ASS KICKED BY UNLV 103-73!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> I better not catch your nasty ass on campus or I will wipe it off the map!
> 
> GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> "Lo"

Where is the intellegence in this?????????


I thought this was a network for BASKETBALL news on the college campus
and what goes on behind  the scenes and on the hardwood floor??  

Yes, it is ok to bash or flame a school for one thing or another
but this is just STUPID!!!!!!!!  it only shows what you know about
the game.  It is good to be behind and support your school, but this???


Yes, NC state was there in 83, and yes Duke got their ass kicked
in 90, BUT they DID *REPEAT* this year.  Something to be proud
of in this time of parity.  Pretty damn amazing if you ask me.

As I said watching the Duke KY game, "It is a shame one of these
teams didn't make the final 4"  Ricky will be back soon, and Duke
will be there as well (hopefully next year),but it also helps
to a bit lucky when you are not playing your best.

THIS is NOT a cheap shot.  Dick Vitale, Bob Knight, AND Jimmy VVVVV
among others have all stated this fact at some point in their carreer.  

SO in sum:

	Lets clean up the net a bit and stop the CRAP (this means you LO)
and anyone else who wants to make this a slam bam kick your ass network.
If you want one of those, then make one for yourself, BUT keep this 
for the graet game of BASKETBALL.....

	'nuf said!!!!!!

Scott Micklo.....
From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Preseason Picks for NEXT Year...
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:30:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

OK, I know it's awfully early and recruiting classes aren't in place yet, but..

Who would you guys pick as a Preseason Top 10 for next year based on the
seniors teams are losing (and others entering draft early - Bye, Bye Shaq!)
and what little we know about recruiting classes.

I won't go out on a limb and have it sawed out from under me without some
thought on this one.  Just thought I'd generate some discussion...

Woosing out,
Eric

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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke players judged by NBA standards
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

There has been a lot of trash coming over the net about how Laettner will
or won't be the next Larry Bird or Danny Ferry.  I thought I would add my
$0.02.

The best NBA prospect on Duke's team is without question Grant Hill.  He can
shoot, play defense, drive, finish, play some point, rebound (esp. good at
the offensive boards), and drive the team bus.  IMHO, he is the next 
Scottie Pippen without the two years of adjusting from Central Arkansas to
the bigtime.

Second best prospect is (and I really hate saying this) Bobby Hurley.  He
has an uncanny ability to nail important hoops.  Great assist to turnover
ratio, and decent defensively.  Not as good as say, John Stockton, but with
the same type of game.  Will end up a solid NBA point guard.

Third is Laettner.  I've already compared him to Detlef Schrempf.  He can
shoot well and has a lot of desire.  The question will be his quickness.
I don't know if he can drive on the much quicker big men in the NBA, but
there is always a place for 6'11" guys who have inside-outside games.

Thomas Hill and Cherokee Parks have shots, but look to be destined for CBA
or Europe based on what I've seen so far.  I'll admit that the book on Parks
is not closed--he may improve dramatically in the next three years.

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: The NCAA controls college basketball
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:57:14 GMT

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>Who's going to be the champ next year?
>
>	Certainly not UNLV.  U have to understand, the NCAA is not going to
>	allow anything to happen that's going to make them look bad.  

Y'know, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but
allow me to remind you of something: last year, the NCAA has gone
completely out of its way to allow UNLV to defend its national title.
You will recall that they have put UNLV on probation, which would have
meant that they won't defend their title.  And after the probation was
announced, they came up with that unheard-of idea of postponing the
probation for one year.

So what you're saying is this: First, the NCAA puts UNLV on probation,
ending their repeat dream.  Then, they renege and allow them to play
in the tournament -- and then they start fixing schedules and bribing
referees so that UNLV will lose to Duke?  Wouldn't it have been
simpler to just not allow them to postpone the probation?

Anyway, everybody knows that the reason UNLV didn't repeat is that
they tried to shave some points and went too far.  I mean, EVERYBODY
knows that.

>	But U can bet they could do anything they wanted to --
>	i.e. pay the refs, fix up the bracket a certain way, etc...  Not to
>	say that they will, but they could.  

Fix the brackets... nope.  First of all, the committee is made up of
AD's -- the people who, as you yourself point out, are the sworn
enemies of the NCAA's law enforcement arm.  Secondly, what are you
going to do to stop UNLV?  Put the Chicago Bulls in their bracket?
I mean, last year they gave them Syracuse as a #2 seed, and Syracuse
went and lost to Richmond.  Does this look like a fixed bracket?
With Syracuse?!


--Gidi

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Shaq to Charlotte?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:13:53 -0500

It would be nice if Shaq went to Charlotte, but c'mon Charlotte isn't
going to win the lottery.  They have a remote chance of winning it
this year.  Just because they are an expansion team doesn't mean they
suck.  All of you are implying that Charlotte really suck this year,
so they have a lock on the #1 pick.  Personally, I think DALLAS (I
hate the Mavericks) will win the lottery and Shaq will be theirs.


-- 
Brian T Odom
From: pe_palmer@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: re: preseason next year
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:32:52 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

top ten - in no particular order...

Michigan
Duke
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio State
Iowa
UNLV (on a whim...)
.....your team here......
Syracuse
North Carolina


I don't mean to offend anyone....Just some thoughts....

						Palmer
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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:56:51 GMT

In <1992Apr16.162936.182@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser) writes:


>Those were recruiting Illinois's pluses. Iowa did have scholarships available
>too.  Marble, Horton and Armstrong were a tremendous senior trio.  I thought
>they would contend for the league title, but they didn't.  Thomas probably 
>noticed that too!  They won one game in the tourney and lost the next.  This
>on a team with three seniors who now play in the NBA. And possibly others.  
>Once again, whose team underachieved that year?  

>Those three had spent the summer getting medical treatment for chemical
>dependancy, not exactly the kind of story which attracts recruits.   

You need to get your facts straight here--BJ Armstrong never entered
treatment for chemical dependency.  Horton and Marble did indeed receive
treatment, but the third Hawk involved was Curtis Cuthpert (who never 
really played for Iowa, but was a redshirt in 1989).
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From: srt@aero.org (Scott "TCB" Turner)
Subject: Re: Big Rumor : Jim Harrick to Villanova
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:41:45 GMT

(The Crossjammer) writes:
>Get a grip Zafer, I'm not just your average Lute hater. I'm a !!PAC-10!!
>hater.

If you continue to bash the Pac-10, Mr. Crossjammed, I will be forced to
bring to the net's attention your current nearly-last-place position in 
Matthew's Point Total Pool.

			-- Scott "Defender of Righteousness" Turner

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From: laoo@next06cville.wam.umd.edu (The MAN..The Myth..The Legend!)
Subject: ACC is on a role!
Keywords: 3 out of 4
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:01:53 GMT


If you take a look at the NIT and the NCAA's you can see that the ACC is  
almost with all four titles(Even though I was hoping Virginia would get  
the Women's NCAA title). I think this proves something to the rest of the  
country. The ACC is a major force to be reckoned with in the country. I'm  
not saying that we are the best(but I think we are anyway), but you have  
to give the ACC a lot of credit for be able to keep up with all the top  
compentation in the country, year after year!



GO DUKE!!!!!!!


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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:35:12 GMT

In <12538@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne "Goober" Smith) writes:

>You might want to count how many NCAA wrestling championship banners hang
>down from OSU's (of the Okie variety) Gallagher-Iba Arena before you make 
>that statement.  I can't remember exactly how many, but seems like there 
>were 15 or 16 of them.  

Maybe you should count since you don't seem to remember how many there are.
Besides, how many have you won in the last 15 years?  Seems like Iowa has 
won 11 in that period and I think OSU only has 1 or 2.

>Besides, how many reigning Olympic Gold medal winners does Iowa have 
>as coaches...as in OSU's Kenny Monday and John Smith?

What has this got to do with anything?  I don't think it's helped OSU win
any more national titles than Iowa.  Great help those gold medalists have
been, huh?

>A particular year, Iowa may be best, but overall school, I think not.

Sorry, but over the last 15 years Iowa has consistently been among the
top three teams in the nation and has many more championships than any
other school.
From: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Lloyd Daniels (was Re: Rollie named as UNLV coach!?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:54:34 GMT
Reply-To: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Distribution: na
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <matthew.702588685@pram.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:

>So, who's gonna pick up the slack and get all the Lloyd Daniels of the world?
 
I think as far as college hoops go, the Lloyd Daniels of the world are a
dying breed; even the normally unrepentant Tark said (more than once) that
"Lloyd Daniels was the biggest mistake I ever made". 

As an interesting sidenote, the two most prominent recruiters of Lloyd
Daniels, Larry Brown and Tark, are both with the same organization now.
Maybe we'll see Lloyd in a Clipper uniform next year? ;-) 

...Al
w.a. mckay
desert research institute
reno, nevada
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:48:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr15.124853.23616
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr15.172222.15071@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Next year's Illini will be decent.  With the probably return of
>	Kaufmann and the addition of Richard Keene and Chris Gandy, the Illini
>	should finish around 4th (behind Indiana, Michigan, Iowa -- in that
>	order).  However, this season should be a preview to next season,
>	when everyone but Kaufmann and Brooks Taylor return -- and the Illini
>	will hopefully add Rashard Griffith to the roster.

You guys are really picking Illinois high.  I guess we'll have to wait and
see what happens.  Just remember, making overly high predictions can come
back to haunt you.
-- 

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From: ags@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Packer goofs up (about Todd Leary)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:57:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44450
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

As long as we are Packer bashing, here is another one.  He referred to Todd
Leary, who hit all those threes at the end for Indiana, as "a former walk-on".

Leary was a senior at Lawrence North high school in Indianapolis when Knight
offered him a scholarship that had just become available when Jay Edwards
announced he was leaving IU to enter the NBA draft.  Leary was never a
walk-on.

-- 
Dave Seaman
ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu
From: burgin@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Summary: Another stupid post that ignores NBA-College differences
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:23:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: borg.11239
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Apr8.005742.28872@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>My purpose in starting this thread was to point out that most of the
>North Carolina folks who have been arguing that Laettner is better than
>the Shaq now get a chance to prove it. If Charlotte does get #1 then 
>insist that they take Laettner. Back up your month long diatribe with action.
>If, as you have been arguing all along, Laettner is better than Shaq then you
>should want Charlotte to take him over Shaq. WELL???????????????????

	For the umpteenth time, the NBA and college games
	are different and can not be used to compare players.

	I guess you haven't noticed that the pro game is
	longer, played more often, entails a longer season,
	is more physical, involves less defense, involves
	a wider range of player ages and years of experience,
	has a farther-out 3-point line, etc. than does the
	college game.

	Because of these many differences, don't you suspect
	that the pro game might require a different set of
	talents than does the college game?

	To make it simple for you, Laettner had a great
	college career.  He probably won't have as great
	a pro career.  Shaq will doubtless do better in
	the pros than will Laettner.  That does not mean
	that Shaq was a better COLLEGE player than was
	Laettner.

	We have two separate newsgroups for college and pro
	basketball for this simple reason - the two games
	are very very different.

	Maybe we should have a third newsgroup for people
	who don't grasp this concept.

	--rb
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From: br347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Althouse)
Subject: 191 days till October 15th!!!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:22:18 GMT


I'm in my usual post-tournament depression - no college hoops
till Oct. 15th!  Oh, well...
 
Good tournament for me - my favorite teams meet in the finals!
Duke sure proved the adage that offense wins games, but defense
wins championships.  Just think about what they've accomplished.
In this age of numerous camps and what not, the number of quality
players has dramatically increased since our last repeat champ.
Back then, the quality players went to the name programs - UCLA,
Indiana, Carolina.  Now we see successful teams at such "no name"
schools as SW Missouri State and the resurrection of the Tulane 
program in only four years.  What Duke has accomplished, with
everyine taking a game with Duke as their "game of the year", is
remarkable.  
 
Michigan could be amazing for the next few years - if the "Fab
Five" don't scare off all the recruits Steve Fisher will need
in the next few years - he has 8 scholarships available in
the next two years.  They also need to feed off of their
embarrassment on National TV, and _want_ to get back to the
top.  Steve Fisher also deservs a lot of credit.  He may not be
an astute tactician, but he can sure manage his personnel.  
Anyone who can sit starters down for _freshmen_, and keep them 
somewhat happy could make big bucks in the business world.
How many schools have a coach with a 12-2 Tournament record?
 
I hope I can last 191 more days...
 
I also hope Navy can get a real coach - and find someone who will
grow 6" after he gets here!
 
--
Mike Althouse
althouse@jacksonville.nadn.navy.mil
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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:45:13 GMT
Organization: The Puzzle Palace, UKentucky
X-Bytes: 

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>
>And by the way - wasn't the most enjoyable part of the TV coverage when
>they put that Kentucky legend (Haywood something - sorry Kentucky fans) and
>Quinn Buckner on the audio (they were doing the CBS radio coverage).  I 
>know a lot of people who switched to the radio for the rest of the game
>after that!

Yup, Ledford has been a great one.  I'm surprised that CBS put him on the
air; it was instantly obvious that America should have been listening to
him all along.  Buckner is NOT his usual sidekick; he was chosen by CBS
Radio.

UK "retired" a microphone banner in Ledford's honor this year.  It's right 
up there, in the rafters of Rupp Arena, with the jerseys of past Wildcat 
greats.  It's a well-deserved honor.


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From: gt0317c@prism.gatech.EDU (BHANSALI,ANIL P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Othello Harrington
Keywords: college
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:18:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Does anyone have a clue as to where Othello Harrington is going to school?

thanks in advance,
BONZO

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From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Fisher as a coach (was Re: Next Year!!)
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:00:10 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University


  Is it me, or does Fisher talk like Paul Harvey and sound like Barney Fife?
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:33:46 GMT

dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough) writes:
>   Unfortunately, that years Illini team doesn't qualify for that
>   honor either.  If memory serves, Liberty came off the bench.  The
>   starters were:

>            Lowell Hamilton C
>            Nick Anderson   F
>            Kenny Battle    F
>            Steve Bardo     G
              ^^^^^^^^^

	Actually, Bardo did sneak in 1 minute of PT when he signed a 10-day
	contract with the Spurs.  Whether or not that counts as NBA experience,
	is questionable, however. :)

>            Kendall Gill    G

>   So, does anyone know if Hamilton is still playing ball anywhere?
>   Last I heard he was on a team in Turkey.  I think he would have been
>   a lot better off at the forward spot in college instead of trying 
>   to play center.  He was too small to hold off the opposing center a lot
>   of the time and never seemed too comfortable with his back to the basket.

	Lowell Hamilton did get to play forward for most of his years at
	Illinois -- it was only his senior year that he played center due to
	the return to Germany of Jens Kujawa.  In all, I think that Lowell
	basically underachieved during his tenure at Illinois.  With all the
	HS clippings he received, he was made out to be Superman or something.

	Jazzy J
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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1992 national champions (Stanford Women)
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:36:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Gidi writes:
>
>If you're on campus, by the way, take a walk on Escondido Road and see
>the huge banner on the entrance to Branner Hall:
>
>		RACHEL HEMMER LIVES HERE!!!
>
>I still say she should get a haircut.
>
>--Gidi
>

I bet she goes to the same stylist as Adam Keefe.  There seems to be some
serious bad hair running around the Stanford campus.  
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