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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:13:00 EST
From:         Joe Morris <IS480P02@WCUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:13:21 -0400
From: AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
> ...
> Secondly, there is being rich and there is being obscenely wealthy.... I
> don't know if you have seen the comparisons of executive pay ofAmerican and
> Japanese corporations.....  American executives pay themselves three times
> as much as their Japanese counterparts....  Its difficult for me to accept
> that Lee Iacocca pays himself over $3 million a year (for the past several
> years) while laying off workers and closing factories....
> ...

Zahir, I, too, am aware of the overwealthy.  Some stats I heard some time
ago from NPR (National Public Radio--non-commercial radio network in USA)
indicated that the pay ratio in Japan between the top managers and the
factory workers in the manufacture of automobiles was 18:1.  The USA?
180:1!

But, this is a mangagement problem!  Not a job to be handled through
the use of tax brackets.  Not all of the overwealthy people are bad
people-they're not all snobs.  Without them the contributions being
made to help those in need in south Florida and Louisiana of the after-
math of Hurricane Andrew would not be as high.  I can only dream of
being able to contribute to such an effort in that fashion.

Sorry if I created some unusual tangents there above.

______________________________________________________________________________
Joe Morris at Western Carolina Univerity; Cullowhee, NC     Practice safe hex,
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:57:23 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

Whoever you are...you did not identify yourself....THANKS for speaking
up and supporting me at the same time too.... I was begining to think
that everybody on the list was a capiatlist and a materialist... all this
defense and definitions of "rich" in terms of money and wealth.  Even
the use of "strong" in terms of money!!!!!

zahir
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From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
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Thank you Thomas G, /EMmy
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:22:50 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

Dilshad,

Safe as it may be in Saudi Arabia or other Islamic countries, I would
still take my chance here.... I have yet to see a country, be it Islamic or
Christian,...that I would want to live in....

zahir
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Death Penalty

Hello Gerry

I liked your thoughts but Death penalty should be applied to all class even
to the king or queen of the country.....This is the way establish the
rights of everyone in society.....


Dilshad Ahmed.....
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Thank you Anita./ ME
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:22:00 GMT-0200
From:         EDUARDO CHAVES -- UNICAMP <CHAVES@CCVAX.UNICAMP.BR>
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

Zahir:

You don't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong, the same
way that you don't enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich.
The problem with socialist and socializing policies is that they
are not really geared toward improving the socio-economic situation
of the poor: they are intent on equalizing income distribution,
and the only way they can do that is by impoverishing the rich
through a tax system that penalizes one for performing better.
The result of this kind of policy is to make everybody poorer,
not to make the poor relatively richer.

But, of course, you know that. You simply can't bring yourself
to accept it. The kind of policy you have espoused demonstrates
a hate of the strong for being strong, of the rich for being
rich, of the competent for being competent, of the good for being
good. That is the essence of envy.

Eduardo
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:50:45 CDT
From:         C540115@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?

Dear Thomas:
  After reading your message and look at your E-MAIL adddress, I am wondering
where you are (I mean what your country and city is).  Because the address is
so different to what I have seen.  Sorry about my question. It is not related
to the subject.   Thanks for your reply.

                                            Sophie Chen - Columbia, Missouri
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:06:31 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE: THOUGHTS FOR THE DAY

nice thoughts ...

I agree with the last one....

Dilshad Ahmed...
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:37:20 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      THOUGHTS FOR THE DAY

Here are a few sayings to think on:

"Fear is the main
source of superstition
and one of the main
sources of cruelty.
To conquer fear is the
beginning of wisdom" - Bertrand Russell

"Our greatest pretenses are built up
not to hide the evil and the ugly in us,
but our emptiness. The hardest thing to
hide is something that is not there." - Eric Hoffer

"HOW TO BEHAVE IN AN ELEVATOR
1. Face forward
2. Fold hands in front
3. Do not make eye contact
4. Watch the numbers
5. Don't talk to anyone you don't know
6. Stop talking with anyone you do know when anyone
you don't know enters the elevator
7. Avoid brushing bodies.   "   - Layne Longfellow



"Do or do not. There is no try"  - Yoda


/ Emmy
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From:         "Joe.Daubenmire" <11856DAU@MSU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Death Penalty

Can someone help me?  I would like to unsubscribe from this newsletter as I
currently do not have time to follow all the conversations.

Thank you,  any help  is appreciated.

J. Daubenmire
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:48:27 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Voicing

Emmy,

You are very right....thanks for reminding us all.  I shall try to be softer
.....

I would hate it if you or others get so turned off as to not voice opinions..

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:10:58 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: How do you say Happy Birthday?
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Thank you Janet/ Emmy
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:23:12 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      How do you say Happy Birthday?

Special Request:

I have a special friend who is working on a project..I need to know how
to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY in different languages..so far we have spanish,
french, italian, russian and portuguese.

I would appreciate any help. Thank you.
Emmy
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:04:08 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject: RE:

Lets hope they do it....peace with Syria....

I meant the current talks regarding Palestine.... They need the
Palestinians as enemies...helps them get $$$$ from the U.S.

zahir
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:27:04 G+3
From:         CCA3203@SAKAAU03.BITNET

 FROM     Hashim Al-attas
 SUBJECT  Bad Links
 DATE     31/08/92




  It really makes me frustrated when come to sign-on and found it down.
  It is that good link we do h'v over here!!!! If link is down for just
  one day we can say it is okay maybe the maintenance??   But when this
  happens frequently that is out of prediction.
  Feeling very sorry missed many discussions & link is whom to be blame
  Are u having same problem i am h'vng?? Hope no.. never


  Hahim
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From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

Hello Zahir....

You are quite right .....any kind of punishment which is offered is not given
solely to deter crime but also provide justice to the one on whom the crime is
 commited

In U.S like in California only one execution was done during the past 10-20
 years

You also mean to say that all kinds of penalties are useless because they
don't help dtere any crime....because what you mean to say is that the person
commiting the crime has in mind what he will go through ....when commiting
the crime....Any way for a crime like murder death penalty in public would
be the most suitable one...


Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:55:32 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Who's rich and how did they get that way

Unfortunately, the PACS (if any) and the lobbyists representing the
homeless, the minorities, the average workers are just not there....
....and PACS such as the AMA (medical corporations), the AILA (lawyers)
the NRA (ammunition, gun dealers etc.) plus those of Agriculture, the
Defense Industries and so on.....

Basically, they represent corporate interests.....

zahir

ps:  Atleast the Russians knew when their form of Gov't became history....
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:48:00 EDT
From:         ALICE LOO <LOOT@SNYSYRV1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: F-16's to Taiwan

The Question.....  As far as I know, Taiwan (without the jets) has not been
threatened by anyone lately, so why do they need these jets (???) and is it
that rich a country that it can afford spending that kind of monies on jets
and not its people!!!!.....Why would they spend that kind of money?...
Couldn't be a pay off because its not really a democracy, we do not support
dictatorships and we do not bribe other gov'ts or interfere in their internal
decisions....

zahir

        There has been a lot of talk in Taiwan these days about
        independence from Mainland China, although the mainstream
        gov't seemed to be against that (at least that's the
        impression I have). So could Taiwan actually be planning
        some major military moves? I guess that's too early to
        tell.
        As far as richness is concerned, I've heard that their
        per capita income is actually the highest in the world
        per capita income is actually highest in the world
        these days. Just take a look around university campuses
        -- all the Taiwanese dress well and buy brand-new cars
        the second they arrive!!

Alice Loo
SUNY Health Science Center, Syracuse NY
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:36:05 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: rednecks and the UN

who are rednecks.....

what do they have to with UN....

Dilshad ahmed
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Thank you Cliff and to all other swould have contributed. It's been
hard for me to keep up with you all (smile).
/Emmy
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:54:42 -0700
From:         "DONALD E. PEABODY" <BELLM3077@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU>
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To Whom It may Convern:

	Please ense.

		Bye,
			Don Peabody BELLM3077
the dictionary definition of a Redneck.  The title
does not make scince
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 13:02:08 G+3
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 FROM     Hashim Al-attas
 SUBJECT  Be wise enough when.. (TAXES)
 DATE     23/08/92




  Good decision, It is the one decreased taxes over there.   people up
  There should like it so much.
  Except, Him, The smart guy whom would figure out the destiny of this
  decision or i should express it in deferent way and say most of peo-
  ple do not really know how long this would last?
  But surely this would disturb budget control, I do like to hear/read
  lots more about it, Try to *wave* if this is right.


  Hashim
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:58:29 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Voicing

Temper, tempers people...I;m reading some rather strong letters. This
is supposed to be enlightening not frustrating...

Perhaps if we phrase things like "I think...." And then, ask what the
other person thinks...perhaps, less tempers will flair.

Just a suggestion.
/Emmy
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To Zahir: I just read in today's New York Times that Syria is
considering a separate peace with Israel on some kind of land
for peace arrangement. That looks like Israel is willing to make
peace.
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From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
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DEATH PENALTY

Gerry:

I agree with you in a lot of respects. I think our society is torn
between helping the assailant and getting rid of him all together. WIth
certain problems not being addrssed sufficiently, such as drug abuse,
domestic violence, etc, and crime increasing, it is tiring to the
public to say "rehabilitate" when we really even haven't begun a true
effort in this direction.

It is frightening to have a serial killerlet go on the street or even a
convicted rapist. It's kind of funny that some criminals who steal
valuable property get more time in jail than rapists...crime against
people should have the longest jail time .. and in turn, jail time
should be geared toward helping these individuals at all cost...

Unless, attention is paid to the areas of society that are really in
need - the poor, the homeless, the drop-outs, the abused... things will
remain the same, except for tolerance...it will decrease even more for
those criminals who commit serious crimes...

I know someone who grew up across the street to me who turned to using
and selling drugs... he was sent to Rikers and another friend and I
viisted him... when he was on the street he looked near death - so
skinny! ANd when he was in Rikers, he regained his strength and his
body size... But I think going to jail never helped him
emotionally..once he was let out, he went back to the same crowd and
starting taking drugs again...I don't know where he is now..It's a
painful thing to watch ...I can only guess how lonely and horrible it
is to experience...

/Emmy
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French: "Bonnaire anniversaire a vous" Happy Birthday to you...good anniversary
to you!
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Even re the current talks with Palestinians. Looks like there are
serious offers from Israel on the table, and that their
$$$from the U.S. are dependent more on peace at this point
than on war?
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Phil:
(smile) Need I say more.
/Emmy
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From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      More thoughts

"Success is simply a matter of luck. Ask any failure>"-Earl WWilson


"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life."- Bertoldt
Brecht

"He not busy ebing born, is busy dying" - Bob Dylan


"It's all right to have butterflies in your stomach. Just get them to
fly in formation." - DrRob Gilbert

"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you
nothing;it was here first." - Mark Twain

/Em
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:41:51 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CULTURE AND VOTING

Gretchen:

I do not think there is a "world Culture" as "keeping up with the next
guy".....  I do not even think most Americans are that way.....  I do
think that the minority that is that way....plus the corporations that
are run that way have taken over control as far as the U.S. Government
and some others are concerned......

One of the point that was missed (intentionally by the media, they too are
aprt of it) in the Ollie North trial and more recently in the Clair
George trial...what these two and there defense was essentially saying
was that they were working for the REAL government of the U.S. and not the
cosmetic one of congress and the executive branch....that it was alright to
lie to this cosmetic government and that most of congress knew and realizes
that they are a cosmetic government.....  decisions on arms supplies and
war are not made by congress and that the congress knows there resolutions
are for public consumption and that when congress says to stop something, all
it means is to figure out another way to do it......to get arms to move
around the world and keep the money spinning....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:31:24 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      National Health Care

 Zahir, Deborah, (whomever I'm forgetting)

 First, Deborah.

 No, I don't want to see you go without.  That would not be good.  I was just
 speaking for myself and my distrust of government bureaucracy.  IMHO, I would
 very much prefer a way to provide government assistance to purchase private
 insurance.

 This is just my interpretation of the Democrats idea of health care reform. It
 sounds like a financial "Black Hole".  All they say is, we'll pay for it.
 There is no Tort reform, no provision for Malpractice reform, no provision for
 cost control.  The main idea to control cost is to have the government push the
 paper and have a standard form.  This idea is akin to having Helen Keller
 design Audio-Visual aids.

 I was once employed by a government contractor and have dealt with
 government documentation requirements.  The paperwork was incredible in its
 complexity.  I have no reason to believe that the same thing won't occur.
 Furthermore, given the countless opportunities of abuse, they must track every
 transaction so that they can catch thieves.  If you don't believe that can
 happen, I would direct you to check out some of the incredible Medicare abuses.
 This could become a license to steal huge amounts of money, and people will try
 it.

 Zahir,

 I didn't see the PBS special recently, but I saw it last winter.  They try to
 cover everybody.  They, also, are very resource poor.  It controls costs, but
 the waiting for serious procedures are just unprecedented.  The impression I
 received was that you need to be more dead that alive to get high enough on the
 triage line to get care.  Can you imagine the mental torture those people go
 through while waiting?

 Also, our local PBS radio station, in a call in show, interviewed the health
 minister for Ontario (I think it was Ontario).  I called and asked the
 gentleman what problems exist in Canada's socialized system, and he told
 me that they were having problems with cost control, just like us.  I just find
 it impossible to believe that the same Congress that brought us funding for
 some of the silliest ideas can bring in health care better and cheaper.  It
 It just won't happen.  There are too many hands in the proverbial cookie jar
 now!  If the government takes on health care, they will have to get a bigger
 cookie jar.

 Both Zahir and Deborah, thank you for hearing me out.  Keep in mind, I'm just
 speaking for myself.
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