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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:29:00 CST
From:         JAKOMAR@STTHOMAS.EDU
Subject:      Sabbatical Assistance
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       If you're not interested in helping out a lowly Computing Center
       Director identify some places to visit during his sabbatical from
       November 1, 1992 through February 28, 1993, don't read on.....

       I will be taking a sabbatical during the above mentioned times
       and plan to visit a number of institutions of higher education
       with the following objectives in mind:

             o	  Learn how other institutions have configured their
                  data communications networks, especially for high
                  speed data.

             o	  Investigate how Libraries, Computing Centers, and
                  Audio/Visual departments have cooperated or
                  reorganized to address common concerns.

             o	  Research ways to establish an "Information Resource
                  Management" function to address administrative
                  information needs.

             o	  Identify innovative computing applications in the
                  academic area -- primarily instructional.

       If you can help me out, please send me the name, voice address
       (telephone number), electronic address, and/or surface mail
       address of someone to contact.  This could be from your
       institution or another.

       Thanks in advance.

       Joe Komar, Director Computing and Communication Services
       University of St. Thomas (St. Paul, MN and not the Virgin
       Islands)
       Voice: (612)647-5812
       Fax: (612)647-5955
       Internet: JAKOMAR@STTHOMAS.EDU
       Surface Mail: University of St. Thomas
                     Mail # 5012
                     2115 Summit Ave.
                     St. Paul, MN 55105-1096
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From:         KAREN Haynes <1LIKEK@UTSAVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Updated list of services to try out

Judy--

Please do send me a copy of this updated version--new as I am to e-mail, I need
 all the documentation I can get my hands on.  I keep exploring and experimenti
ng and the following day have trouble remembering which feat accomplished which
.  I can recall some but the commands et.al. still baffle me.  Thanks in advanc
e--

Karen E. Haynes
Library Cataloging
Univ. of Texas at San Antonio
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From:         EKZA01@MLX.UCS.EDINBURGH.AC.UK
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> Date:          Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:52:42 -0500
> Reply-to:      Campus-Wide Information Systems <CWIS-L@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
> From:          Ramakrishnan Balaji
 <barama%oasis.cc.purdue.edu@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
> To:            Multiple recipients of list CWIS-L <CWIS-L@wuvmd.bitnet>

> SSINFO is the name of the CWIS  at Purdue University.  It is easy to use and
> provides access to useful and timely data.  One of the notable features of
 this
> system is its print and mail capability.  SSINFO offers users the option of
> copying screens from SSINFO into a file that can be printed on one of the
> printers on the Purdue campus computing network, or sent to a remote computer
> account via electronic mail.  This is a unique feature of our
system. . . .

The ability to copy CWIS documents to user file, to printer (system or
local), or to email is indeed vital, but not unique to SSINFO.  We
have it at Edinburgh (UK).

John Ross
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barama@OASIS.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Ramakrishnan Balaji) writes:
: One of the notable features of this
: system is its print and mail capability.  SSINFO offers users the option of
: copying screens from SSINFO into a file that can be printed on one of the
: printers on the Purdue campus computing network, or sent to a remote computer
: account via electronic mail.  This is a unique feature of our system.  

the gopher clients, at least the unix ones, have the "send it by mail"
feature too.  very handy.

i'd like to see a "download it with zmodem" option too, since that would
be easy to do (you have the doc in a file so you can just sz it down)

--Ed

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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:51:17 CDT
From:         Tamara Iversen <TIVERSEN@NUACVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Survey of E-conference Users: Summary Results

I was surprised too that Andrew Cohill would be so opposed to e-mail surveys.

I also receive survey requests in my mailbox.  Sometimes I respond and
sometimes I don't.  It all depends on whether I have time to do so.

Tamara Iversen

P.S. It occured to me that with all the responses Andrew got to this comment,
that stating some controversial opinion is a very efficien way of getting
responses to a survey. :-)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:32:27 -0400
From:         TCMAK@CONNCOLL.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Sabbatical Assistance

joe, if you'd like to visit connecticut college in new london after november
30, we'd be glad to see you.

tom makofske, director computing and information services
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:25:00 -0700
From:         TLOFTUS@PIMACC.PIMA.EDU
Subject:      RE: CWIS Employment Information
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>
>Is there anyway of ascertaining how many CWIS's have info that is
>pertinent to employment on them?  Just pondering the thought for
>the mail-list I am administering.  Thanks...
>--bob
>
Bob,

  We've had a student placement section in our CWIS since we began.
  It's updated daily and rarely does it have less then a 100 jobs
  listed.  In addition, we've recently added a Human Resources listing
  of jobs as well as items on jobs trends for the future.

*=====================================================================*
* T.J.Loftus   Systems/Analyst PimaInfo*     tloftus@pimacc.pima.edu  *
*PimaCountyCommunityCollege  Tucson, Az*     vtxmgr@pimacc.pima.edu   *
*Home on the range,land of the strange.*                              *
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:43:20 MST
From:         BOB STRINGFIELD <bstring@MAINZ-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      CWIS Employment Information
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Is there anyway of ascertaining how many CWIS's have info that is
pertinent to employment on them?  Just pondering the thought for
the mail-list I am administering.  Thanks...
--bob

******

*****************
Subject:  New List - Employment Information (EMPLOY)

ATTENTION Subscribers:

Mainz Army Depot is in the process of forming a list for the specific intent
of informing others about employment opportunities and information.  Could you
pass the following information to others who might have a need to know about
finding another job, and perhaps assist them in becoming computer list
literate?

Thanks....
________________________________________________________________________

The EMPLOY Mail List will be an electronic informational forum to assist
federal employees and others in the sharing of job opportunities as well as
ideas on gaining employment.  EMPLOY also will be a forum for soliciting
feedback on problems and concerns of those seeking employment.  Problems
confronting personnel seeking employment are complex and require insight,
experience and alternate perspectives to reach realistic solutions.
Electronic communications provides a convenient, cost effective, timely method
of contacting valuable resources without the restraints of conventional
communication.

EMPLOY mail list discussions will be focused around employment opportunities
and the problems of finding another job.  If you are interested in the
possibilities offered by this mail list then send electronic mail to:

     employ-request@mainz-emh2.army.mil

        Ask that you be added to the Employment Information Mail List.  Mail
for the list can be sent to:

     employ@mainz-emh2.army.mil
________________________________________________________________________
Lists initially will not be moderated nor archived.  Comments/recommen-
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List Administrators - bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:24:58 EDT
From:         Judy Hallman <hallman@GIBBS.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Internet document and class handout for FTP
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With the assistance of our local Internet guru, Paul Jones, the Office of
Information Technology, UNC Chapel Hill, has prepared an Internet document
and a handout for a hands-on class. Both are available for FTP from
sunsite.unc.edu in the directory pub/docs/about-the-net.

Molly Munro wrote "Venturing Into the Internet," which offers a bare-bones
introduction to the Internet in 13 pages. The ascii filename is
venturing_oit and the postscript version is venturing_oit.ps.

The handout is in the file exploring_oit. I've been teaching the class. I
put big chunks of the handout in our campus information system and use
that as "overheads." You can look at that too; telnet to info.oit.unc.edu
and login as INFO. Then type f for find and press return, and then type
4001.

For the class, it takes 45 minutes to an hour to go through the material.
Then they choose which exercises they want to do and go at it. I've taught
10 sessions this summer with about 12 people at each (the number of PCs in
the room). It's great fun.

Molly and I both got a lot of our material from the Internet and it seems
like a good idea to give back what we have. Thanks for all the useful
information -- especially from PACS-L.

Judy Hallman, Office of Information Technology, UNC-Chapel Hill

PS: In case you are wondering why there isn't a postscript version of the
class handout, it became too much of a challenge. I've got what the
student types in Courier and descriptive text in Times. There apparently
are too many font changes. After spending a couple of days messing with
it, I decided it wasn't worth it.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:33:07 GMT
From:         Una M O'Neill <ONEILLU@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Gateway concentrator
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Hi,

Does anybody out there using VTX have any experience setting up a gateway`
concentrator. I'm putting VTX/TR onto a 3100 which is clustered to a 6410.
Subscriber access to the infobase will be through the 6410. I want the
communication to be through a concentrator rather than every VTX session
starting it's own decnet channel. I know this can be done as the
documentation shows diagrams of it, however the documentation on the
terminal control program just says that it is not described and I can't
find any further information. DEC are looking into it at the moment, but if
anybody has done this already and would tell me how I would be very
grateful!

Thanks in advance
Una O'Neill
ONEILLU@IRLEARN.UCD.IE
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:32:20 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Survey of E-conference Users: Summary Results
              27 Aug 1992 14:01:33 -0400 from <cohill@VTSERF.CC.VT.EDU>

It seems to me Andrew's points are valid, as are those of the
observers who find surveys useful.  However, this discussion also
takes up chunks of people's time.... Can we declare this meta-issue
resolved for now, and go back to discussing campus-wide information
systems?

Please, no meta-meta-flames on the list.  :-)

/rich
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From:         cohill@VTSERF.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Survey of E-conference Users: Summary Results
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              <CWIS-L%WUVMD.bitnet@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu>

With the luxury of hindsight, I think the point that I really wanted to
make was not that I am opposed to email surveys, but that I am tired of
them.  Many people took the time to write to me explaining that they
had found it an efficient and econmical way to collect data.  There is
no question that it has worked well in many cases.

But I now receive so many requests for 15 to 30 minute chunks of my
time (I have yet to see one that I could fill out in less than ten to
fifteen minutes) that it's hard for me to justify even taking the time
to try to determine that a particular survey is a serious and
potentially valuable one.  Most of the surveys ask me about things that
require me to interrupt my work, look up or track down information that
is not ready at hand, and in short take up more time than you might think.

I suspect that there are others like me, and if you are using email
surveys to collect data, it might be useful to know that some people
are already overdosed on them.  What's more likely to get my attention
now is a short note asking me to participate, which would allow me to
choose to respond.

Someone is bound to point out that there is not much difference between
that and actually getting the survey and choosing to throw it away or not.

Andrew Cohill
Eris Project Leader
Eris:  The Virginia Tech Information System
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From:         "Charles F. Leonhardt" <LENHARDT@GUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      USA Today Subscription

You can get information about USA Today and other services by writing to:

CB460@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU

Charlie

Charlie Leonhardt
Georgetown University
Information Systems
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                                   Regards,
                                   Charlie
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From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      orality, literacy and NeXTs

 *** Reply to note of 08/31/92 05:24
 The research is summarized in Hillocks' *Research on Written Composition*. It
 is not terribly satisfactory research; most in rhet/comp is not. The research
 that we have embodies a variety of methods. This raises an old problem: if the
 research is not as definitive as we would like it to be, what's our
 alternative? A lot of teachers tell me that their written comments are
 effective, but they never seem to be able to demonstrate the fact. Often, what
 they mean is that some students like to get extensive comments (people like
 toget attention), but there is no evidence that the comments led to good
 revision or better writing. I have a colleague who insists that his comments
 lead to better writing (his comments are indeed incisive), but he is usually
 generalizing from the one student in 30 who did something useful with the
 comments. Often our intuitions about what "works" are based on such
 unwarrantedgeneralizations.

 -- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
 ___Arizona State University West
 ___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:04:47 -0400
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Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Comments on good and great papers (4)

David:  it is impossible to know what outcomes our investment of time
on a student paper will produce.  Those comments have delayed-action
fuses.
If we could predict what it is useless to say life would be much simpler,
provided we were all alphas.
Myles
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Subject:      RE: Ice T and Murphy Brown

Sorry, John B-- I was responding to someone (sorry, I've forgotten who) who'd
said that Ice T and Sister Souljah were less important than The Waltons; at
least that's what  I recall, though I'm probably wrong.  The discussion had to
do with relevance, in effect, and the argument over what it means to be
teaching literature; which then diverted into a pop culture path; which
then...

John Slatin
UT Austin
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From:         mer <MROSE01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ice T and Murphy Brown

John and Don:

              I don't think its important to teach Murphy Brown in
              a class on popular culture.

              Now *James* Brown is another story!!!

                                 OW!
                                 H-Huh!
                                 Look OUT!
                                 GIT DOWN!!!
                                 Who's Talkin', Who's talkin',
                                 H-Huh!
                                 On the Good Foot, On the Good Foot!


                                                          mer
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:48:23 -0400
From:         ENGMYLES@UBVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Some classes where groups have worked (4)

theoretically, David, all texts are fictions, especially the newspapers'
texts.  Ask Woody Allen.  If we can teach, or could teach, that texts are
fictions and are to be examined with the same analytical tools as literary
fictions we would have done a good deal; if we could teach them that the
construction of any text must follow some sort of logical process (i.e.,
see some parts of, say, Daedalus) and that their texts had real life functions
of any one of a number of kinds and that the outcomes are at least in part
under the control of the texts they create, could we find them in real life,
where Othello kills out of fiction?
Our teaching keeps lit and newspapers separate, and shouldn't: EPound: Poetry
is NEWS that stays NEWS. For instance, Dreiser's American Tragedy which
grows out of newspapers and plays all sorts of games with truth and the
creation of fictions in one larger fiction.
It is true, I suppose, that texts generate each other, but there is a relationsh
   ip between what we call literary texts and what we call legal texts and what
we call historical and newspaper and magazine texts.
I suppose I think that what I call literature comes closer to incorporating
in itself all other texts than any other kind of text, not because it is
more true, but because it knows it isn't.
Sorry to goon.
I did not mean as in the goon show, but simple go on.  So I'll go on.
Maybe we ought to remember more formally, and in our classes, that although
there are English Departments no particular discipline is defined by the
name of the department, only a particular kind of ordering of certain kinds
of texts, and reach out rather than narrow down.  And do it in freshman year,
where I havent taught in ten years.
Maybe I ought to practice what I preach.
Better to stop preaching.
Myles
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No experience with the Pakistani Brain Virus; as I dimly recll hearing,
though, it can be serious and can indeed "eat" files.  I'll look it up in my
F-PROT virus dictionary and report back.

John Slatin
UT Austin
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From:         rselfe@MTU.EDU
Subject:      On-line collaborative lit?

>I'm most interested in examples of categories #2 and #3, and
>particularly in any software or communal projects in which authors are
>anonymous either by design or by convention.
>Thanks,
>David S.
>--


David,
How about the IRC efforts that flourish every night (even days)?
Dickie Selfe
Technical Communication Specialist-102 WAHC
Michigan Technological U.
Houghton, Michigan  49931
906-487-2447
<rselfe@mtu.edu>
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From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Changes of all sorts (1)

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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:40:56 EDT
From:         IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
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Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

Estonia now has it's own e-mail domain (.ee) as note 4 (below) from Anne
Villems atests.  I hope U of L's new mailer can understand her new address.

The Digest is changing a bit also.  I finally got an e-mail account (through
DELPHI) with my own name.  I plan to use that account to manage most of the
Digest mailings (which will continue to be sent to readers by the U of L Vax
node).  I've already had a few strange mail messages sent as a result of this
new arrangement (which uses submit files and /after delays).  I apologize for
any problems people may have had reaching me of late--with bouncing mail, or
incomprehensible forwarded messages.

I think I've gotten the VMS submit files set up correctly now, and most of
those problems should dissappear.  You may find however the Digest delayed at
times.  I've been exceding my CPU allotted time on the mailings lately (now
that most of our readers are on Internet).  The 100+ university-based
subscribers on bitnet and internet coupled with slowed mailers at U of L may
cause some subscribers to miss a few issues.  U of L is upgrading its Vax
cluster for the next few weeks so the system is a bit slower than usual until
the upgrade is complete.

If you wish to reach me personally (and not just to submit material to the
Digest), please send e-mail me at
  RobertRoyar@Delphi.com

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "The average voter doesn't view himself as articulate, so I
    think they can understand the President."
                                                  -- Bob Teeter
                                                     Bush Campaign Manager

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