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From: mulliner@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Kent Mulliner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Keywords: Logging, Pahang
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:01:09 GMT
Organization: Ohio University Library, Athens

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>Open your mind, and try seeing how some developed nations are using
>the logging issue to hide the lack of steps taken by their government
>to fight global warming.

    I guess that you have ignored fights about logging in the
Northwestern United States, where the issue is much the same as in
Malaysia:  Will you sacrifice your resources today to make life
    comfortable in Japan or will you save trees for future
    generations?

>	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>their propaganda or their pressures...

    This reminds me of a very old story about the legendary
Sultan of Pahang (father of the present H.H.).  It seems he
visited the National Zoo and when he went to the monkey cage
one of the monkeys caught his attention.  When H.H. put his
hand to his forehead to shield his eyes, the monkey did the
same.  When H.H. rubbed his nose, the monkey copied.
At this point I should add that the story is progably apocryphal rather
than being guilty of lese majesty.  But the story says that
H.H. got angry at being aped by a monkey.  He yelled at it
and the monkey yelled back.  In disgust, he asked a retainer
for a razor blade--which he handed to the monkey.  H.H.
then drew his hand laterally across his throat.

    There is a saying in America about cutting off your
nose to spite our face.
>


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From: v134rrxt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MALAYSIAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: ***** On The Contray, Zam does Good! ****
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.151744.10311@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes...
>It is so sad to see the world slamming Zam, he stated his
>opinion and u guys are persecuting him.
>u guys are a "hanging crowd".
>remember the days when people went witch hunting?
>u my friends are witch hunters!
>u want to hang him without other considerations.
> 
>lets ananlyse the situation...
>most people can be proven to hate other races simply because
>they are different.  that is proven by the number of blacks
>in top executive positions.  it may not be blatant disregard 
>for the law, nevertheless, it exist much more than you would
>expect.  zam is only honest folks.  he may have a crude way
	
	An honest guy is an honest guy. A racist is a racist.
Don't mix up.
	
>of disseminating information, but still, his expressions (vulgar)
>must be seperated from the content.  and the content is not
>openly true, but true based on information that we see exist.
> 
>so some idi_ts emailed him and told him not to apply for jobs
>back home.  
>is that the way to treat a situation that has gone
>bad?  we must, instead, offer him a job to prove to him that
>there are exceptions in races.  treat him well in the company
>and he'll change his perception of the people around him and 
>their race.

	Your suggestion is wonderful, but it is not realistic.
A company exists to make profit, or for other objectives. It
does not exist to prove a person right or wrong.


>on the other hand , you witch hunters are hanging him and making
>his perceptions come true.
>it is sad to see that in this day and age, many of the educated
>still do not know how to handle situations that present themselves
>different from how the masses see the world.
>you my friends s_ck!  why hang him for being a racist when the
>world is full of them.


	you my friends are not sick. you do not hang him for
no reason. you just want him to be a better man. 



> 
>question: if u had a daughter and you were white, would you
>          allow her to marry a black man?  you will sooner
>          or later realize that intermarriages exit almost
>          nonexistently.

	why white ? why black ? Most of the readers are asians ,
(just a guess), it is not easy to answer.



> 
>      ************  ZAM forever !!!! *************
> 

	Saudara ZAM, keep up your postings. They become more
and more like some kind of silly jokes. To be honest, they 
are really entertaining, though i don't agree with you most
of the time. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Moral and Education (Re: Zam sinks to new depths)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:27:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.135756.12806@cs.yale.edu> khoo-siau-cheng@CS.YALE.EDU (Siau Cheng Khoo) writes:
>In article <14APR199214330509@juliet.caltech.edu> chong@juliet.caltech.edu (Chong, Francis F. S.) writes:

>This is what higher education has taught him -- the ability and the
>skill to play politics. Give an apology so as to win over some readers
>through sympathy. Play the emotion, not the issue. This happens so
>often in the US Presidential Campaign this year. What a pity.

	Give it a break guys.  Don't you guys ever have childhood
fantasies?  Mine was/is to be a politician, and let's just leave it at
that...

	My outburst has cost me several job opportunities in Malaysia.
I have had top managerial people sending me e-mails, telling me not to
apply for a position in their company because of what I wrote.  Nobody
says that being truthful will benefit me, but I took this road because
I felt the need to let my feelings known regarding certain things.  I
tried my best not to get involved with this newsgroup, but when Wan
Looi and Martillo kept bombarding this newsgroup with lies and
half-truths two years ago, I had no alternatives but to jump in, in
order to set the records straight.

	I had a close Chinese friend at MIT a few years ago.  He is
now working with Intel(Malaysia).  You can easily find out who this
person is as there are not very many Malaysian who used to live in
East Campus and are working at that multi-national company.  The guy
seemed like a nice person, and I thought that he was my friend.  Then,
a Malay friend of mine who is currently working at Hewlett Packard
(Malaysia) but used to live in East Campus too, told me that the guy
had been bad-mouthing me behind my back.  I checked this out, and I
found out that my Malay friend was telling me the truths.  There goes
my friendship with him (Chinese), and I have not talked to him
ever since.

	I have not had any Chinese friends after the above incident.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Moral and Education
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:21:16 GMT
Originator: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu

In article <1992Apr15.152724.1486@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	My outburst has cost me several job opportunities in Malaysia.
>I have had top managerial people sending me e-mails, telling me not to
>apply for a position in their company because of what I wrote.  Nobody
>says that being truthful will benefit me, but I took this road because
>I felt the need to let my feelings known regarding certain things.  I
>tried my best not to get involved with this newsgroup, but when Wan
>Looi and Martillo kept bombarding this newsgroup with lies and
>half-truths two years ago, I had no alternatives but to jump in, in
>order to set the records straight.

Same here,  I jumped in only because you have been spreading lies last year,
and still are.  I was excited to discover a Malaysia newsgroup but only 
to find your hatred against Chinese all over the newsgroup.

If you didn't like Wan Looi's posts, what does that have to do with
other Chinese.  I am sure you did witness my later exchanges against him,
without knowledge of his previous posted "lies".   However, that still makes
me a treacherous Chinese.

>
>	I had a close Chinese friend at MIT a few years ago.  He is
>now working with Intel(Malaysia).  You can easily find out who this
>person is as there are not very many Malaysian who used to live in
>East Campus and are working at that multi-national company.  The guy
>seemed like a nice person, and I thought that he was my friend.  Then,
>a Malay friend of mine who is currently working at Hewlett Packard
>(Malaysia) but used to live in East Campus too, told me that the guy
>had been bad-mouthing me behind my back.  I checked this out, and I
>found out that my Malay friend was telling me the truths.  There goes
>my friendship with him (Chinese), and I have not talked to him
>ever since.
>
>	I have not had any Chinese friends after the above incident.
>

Again, the above argument applies.  

One more note, I am not surprised that many top companies would drop you
because you simply cannot distinguish who's right or wrong.
Afterall 'top' companies must have 'top' visions.

A Chinese makes a mistake means *ALL* Chinese go to hell !??
And we don't even know if your Chinese friend is at fault judging
from the way you have hated Chinese.

How could someone with this mentality be a good manager ?
You don't seem to reallise that Malaysia is  a multi-racial country.  
You aren't going to be working for a company that olnly has Malay workers.
Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:00:51 -0400 
From: Azmeer Salleh <as60+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Usman Awang's 'Balada Terbunuhnya Beringin Tua ...'

DISCLAIMER:  All the opinions in this posting are those of the author
and the author alone.   Count to five before reading this post.  Count
only to five, no more, no less.  Five, and only five, is the number to
which you must count.  Not one, for it is too little. Not two, for it is
only one up from one. Nor may you count to three or four as they are not
five.  Any number greater than five will not count, anyway.  So go on
and read it already.

Kool sajak.

Reminds me of my SPM BM paper.

kool deal.


 ---------------------------------------------------------------

What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind.  
Or not to have a mind at all.  
How true that is.

		-- Vice President Dan Quayle winning friends while
                                       speaking to the United Negro
College Fund


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: cpc30248@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chong Chow Pin)
Subject: Re: The ecosystem and the malays
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:09:38 GMT

azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani) writes:

>Why not? This is an example of what I have been talking about - energy
>wasted to point the blaming finger on someone else. If the deforestation
>crisis is to be solved, this unproductive finger pointing must be stop.
>Instead, concentrate on global concerted efforts by everyone to help solve
>the problem. Sure, the demand side of the equation is one aspect that needs
>to be tackled, but equally important is the supply side. Admittedly, the
>hypocrisy of developed countries condemning tropical countries for
>deforestation, yet purchasing its timber products, is pretty sleazy. But
>if we just blame them and expect those slimeballs to solve the problem,
>we're not going to get anywhere. Its not our problem, Its not their
>problem. Its everyone's problem....and its going to remain a problem until
>people start to accept responsibility and do something positive about
>solving it.

Nicely put, Azran. Took the words right off my fingertips. 

I've always contended that putting an immediate stop to logging is
not a viable option as of now. We need the revenue, yes but what
about when the forests are gone? We will look for an alternate source.
Why not now? We do not need all those acid rain and extra few degrees
added to our region's already sweltering heat.

The solutions, as I see it are:

1) phase out logging - replanting will only buy us so much time if the
   rate of "controlled" logging is still faster than the time the
   primary forest forms from a bald patch of land(this takes decades or
   centuries).

2) Set up national parks like the Taman Negara to gain some tourism
   revenue to replace the part of the lost income - however, the
   "orang asli" settlements must not be included as part of the
   tourism project. They aren't tourist exhibits. If people want
   to see them, they can hike through miles of forest.

3) Find substitute for wood(as Azran said)

4) Lobby in the UN for an environmental protection fund to be set up.
   This is to SUBSIDIZE(not replace) the lost revenue from logging.
   This is not exthortion of any sorts - rich, developed countries
   should bear some responsibilty this after being the main contributor
   to the environmental fiasco. Bear in mind that it's the people
   living comfortably who are more likely to be concerned with
   global warming, acid rain et al than those who are trying to
   scrape a living in those developing nations.
   (THIS WILL BE THE HARDEST TO ACHIEVE)

5) Declare a war on corruption ( WILL BE DIFFICULT TOO )

  That's all I can think of for now.


   T
   
-- 
    Chong Chow Pin 
    University of Illinois
    email:  cpc30248@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Logging in Sarawak
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:18:08 GMT

As an Anak Sarawak, I just want to tell you out there that all logging
revenue from Sarawak should stay in Sarawak . Natural gas and crude oil         revenue too should not be distributed to other states or else at very conservative amounts. Did you know that Sarawak keeps 5% of its revenue from these natural resources ? All the rest of it goes to the Federal gov't to develop the rest of Malaysia. Where did you think  the government got the money from to build all these fancy highways, ports, mosques, etc in Malaysia. What does this leave the  Sarawakians with ? I met so man




y  west Malaysians that thought Sarawak is ALL   but jungle. 
The so-called pan-Borneo highway which was planned has yet been realised.       Sarawakians feel "ripped-off" by being part of Malaysia. All the money generated by our land is being laundered elsewhere. Yet we are called jungle people.     With all this logging .... pretty soon there won't be any jungle left to call usjungle people !!!! 
I'm not trying to spark off any hatred here but just to bring out my point p.     What about the dumb tower Mahathir is trying to erect in Shah Alam ? We could   use that money to bulid a highway in Sarawak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:56:47 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr17.054427.22581@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>Well....I think *YOU* should go look in a dictionary before you post.
>>Here is according to *two* of my dictionaries:
>>
>>gen-o-cide: The act of killing a *WHOLE* group of people. Especially
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Whole group of people can refer to the people who, according
>to the Indon govt, supports the communist.

Haaaaaaahhhhhhh. You're interpreting the dictionary. hahahahahaha
 Is that how you read a dictionary? :-) 
 
>>            a *WHOLE* race.
>>gen-o-cide: The systematic killing of a *WHOLE* people or nation
>>
>>I want to know what *your* dictionary define genocide!

>Maybe it will be a bit pointless for me to the definition from my
>library.  Zam (for once he has done something I agree) has done
>just that with his Webster definition.

Hhhmmmm.....You're avoiding now.
Ask Newzealanders what is the definition of genocide. Let them read 
the dictionary for you! Don't just bullshitting and interpreting the 
meaning!.

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>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
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Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr8.071100.18244
Reply-To: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) says:

>>That'll probably be the last time anyone sees it too...after all, didn't I 
>>read somewhere that the customs are only not allowed on the palace compounds??
>>Funny, buying a $2.1M car and driving it in your backyard!!! 
>>
>>If that's not classified as DUMB, I dunno what is, eh Zam??? (No need for
>>apologies Eme)
>
>	The joke is on you, dumbo!  The custom officers are not
>allowed on the Palace compound in case they are thinking of
>confiscating the car.  That is what it is supposed to mean.  If you
>are going to read between the lines, please do it when you are not
>suffering from dyslexia.


...That'll probably...didn't I read somewhere that "the custom officers
are not allowed on the Palace compound in case they are thinking of
confiscating the car"??? Anyhow I see it, there is still:

		1 (one) bad sentence structure,

		1 (one) DUMB SULTAN,

		1 (one) DUMB Kelantanese on his Sultan's side.


Dumbo the Elephant.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: Cynthia Dawood <sl298028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: IQ test...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 03:04:47 GMT



	Hai.... sorry if my posting is not relevant to all the discussion that
have been going on for some time.... but I found this joke and would like to
share it with you guys out there.... BTW, if you manage to guest (correctly)
in less than 3 seconds then be sure that your IQ is okey... enjoy it....

This joke could be offensive (esp for those who are narrow minded..)

There's this guy in a bar who is a real loud-mouth.  He is bragging and
boasting ad nauseum about how tough he is, and how he can do anything.

Finally, one of the other guys in the bar has heard enough.  He goes up to him
and bets him 100 bucks that he can't do three things...

   Drink 10 shots of whiskey, Wrestle a gorilla, and Have sex with an eskimo.

So, the guy takes the bet.  He drinks the ten shots and collapses on the floor. 
The other guys pick him up, and carry him to the zoo.  They find the gorilla
cage, and throw him inside.

The guy and the gorilla grab each other.  They wrestle along the cage, they
are screaming, and there are arms and legs flailing.

Finally, the guy steps out of the gorilla cage, walks up to the guys, and
says...


                "Okay, let's go wrestle the eskimo."




Get it ????


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mrm3u@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Mohamed Rozani Mohamedosman)
Subject: Test Message
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: acc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:55:24 GMT



This message is a test.  Just a test, nothing more, nothing less.

Thank you for your patience....
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 16:18:12 EDT
From: <AXH113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: STOP IT !!!!!!
Distribution: soc

In article <llLadMF@uop.uop.edu>, mjabar@uop.uop.edu (Mohamed Nazlen Abdul
Jabar) says:
>
>Please, please, please STOP the blamming each other. STOP fighting and
>yeilling or anothing to each other. btw I an not pointing out to just
>somebody, but to everybody.
>
>Can we make a very clean discussion. Please I hate all this thing. Let
>we discuss about FOOD, SPORT, Profesional discussion and some other that
>are SMART .......

I agree ! It's sad to see s.c.a being made a place to throw hatred and anger.
I personally think that posters should be aware of the fact that s.c.a is
read by users all over the world. Hate mails should not be directed to s.c.a.
Save the net bandwidth for more important matters. I am sick with the name-
calling. Please....buang yang keruh, ambil yang jernih.

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From: xorian@solomon.technet.sg (Loh Kim Guan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies...
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:46:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuscc.1992Apr8.024656.21107
Organization: National University of Singapore

chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz (chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz) writes:
: chuakh@elaine31.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua) writes:
: 
: >I look at some of the 21 year old Americans or students from other
: >countries which do not have mandatory military service and I feel that
: >army gave me a slight edge.  What do others think???
: >KhengHwa
: >--
: 
: I believe that the army is a good thing for Singaporeans only.  You think
: you've got an edge over others but in actual fact you don't.  Most North
: Americans are very independent at a young age.  We don't depend on our
: parents to support our education.  Most of us pay our way through school.
: I know that most Singaporeans are dependent on their parents for financial
: support.  I've observed that Singaporeans who come to North America before
: joining the service seem to be very extravagant.  North Americans on the
: other hand are forced to be disciplined in supporting themselves after
: they leave home. Please care to comment.
: 
: James.


Do remember that most of these Singaporeans are children of rich family, how
else can they post a bond of between ($100K-$500K).  Thus they do tent to be
more extravagant.  I would also add that most children of rich American 
families would also be very extravagant.  The majority of Singaporean are 
rather thirfty, how else do you account for being a country with one of the 
highest saving rate in the world.

However, I do agree that while NS may be good for Singaporean it may not 
necessary good for the the American.  After all it already have the most
powerful defence force in the world.  Why waste 2-3 years of their people
lives when there are no necessity.  Singapore on the other hand is a
different situation.

While people in Singapore may have their character build up during the NS, 
those from other country may have their build up from different means 
(eg. Working to put themselves thru high school or college, growing up in bad
neighbourhood etc.).  So for those of you who have completed their NS let not
blow our horn too loudly, least it offence others.

KG Loh
Xorian Technologies Pte Ltd
xorian@solomon.technet.sg