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From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:57:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: winnie-t.ILH.92Aug31105727
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Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems
In-reply-to: WLC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu's message of 29 Aug 92 17:41:01 GMT

WLC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Bill Cunningham) writes:
   ...Golf is NOT a race- you do not get bonus points for being quick...

Curiously enough, I visited a course where if you play in under four
hours they give you a `lottery' ticket.  Every week they draw tickets
to see who gets a free round.  Sounds like an interesting idea.

But, you're absolutely correct.  Etiquette is everything.  Slow groups
should OFFER to let smaller/faster groups play through if there is a
big opening (an entire hole) ahead of them.  Too often people have the
attitude that they payed their greens fees so they should be able to
do whatever they want, as slowly as they want.  That's (almost) true
if they let faster groups through.
--

                                Lee Hetherington
                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Etiquette to get to play through
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:08:04 GMT

In article <2347@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> leonard@norma.UUCP (Leonard Toohey) writes:
=>  
=>  How many of you have ever been "hit into" by the group behind you. Or
=>  do you ever hit into the group in front of you after five holes of
=>  waiting on them with no other groups ahead of them.
=>  
=>  Any other ideas on how to encourage groups to speed up or practice proper
=>  etiquette?
=>  
=>  Thanks, 
=>  
=>  
=>  -- 
=>  | Leonard E. Toohey              PCB Designer                            |
=>  | Tandem Computers Incorporated  Guardian: SMTPGATE@AUSTIN(leonard@tzone)|
=>  | 14231 Tandem Blvd.             Internet: leonard@mpd.tandem.com        |
=>  |_Austin, Texas 78728-6699_______Phone: (512) 244-8427___________________|

I've had several club professionals suggest to me that the proper
etiquette is to politely ask if you may play through.  If they say no,
then wait or find a ranger or marshall.

I hit into a group yesterday (by hitting my 3 wood 50 yards further
than usual) and made a point of going over and apologizing.  Even
though we waited a bit, we still played in about 4 1/2 hours (not bad
for teeing off at 11:00 on sunday on a public course)
-- 

charlie shub  cdash@cs.Colorado.EDU      -or-        (719) 593-3492     
  or even  cdash@colospgs (BITNET)  if the above address won't work
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 11:09:00 EDT
From: Jim White <JWHITE@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Lightweight Steel Shafts

I am looking to build a set of clubs. I am evaluating a variety of club heads,
and I'm currently most interested in Dynacraft's Vari-Steel or Innerdyn
models.

Yesterday I recvd a Dynacraft Vari-Steel 6 iron head. I stuck it on a
Dynamic Gold S-400 shaft I happened to have prepared for it, and it
weighed out to about a D4.5 swingweight. I'd prefer D1-D3.

Obviously the heavy clubhead and heavy shaft is too much (for me anyway).
Now I'm thinking of trying a TT-Lite or Gold-Plus shaft or something else
that would produce a lighter 'feel'.

I would be interested in experiences that readers may have had with
lighter weight, steel, iron shafts. How do they affect the ball flight? Did you
feel that the a 'stiff' lightweight shaft felt comparable to, say, a 'stiff'
Dynamic shaft?

I have all the stats on flex points, raw weight, etc., don't need that
sort of info. It may be useful to know that I'm tall (6'3"), my current
handicap indx is 6.3, and I am currently playing with either Wilson Staff's
(with stiff Dynamic shafts) or Wilson Staff Goosenecks (that have stiff
shafts of unknown manufacture).

Also, if there are those out there who've played the Vari-Steel or Innerdyn
irons, I'd be interested in you comments re: them, also.

Thanx
Jim White


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Subject: Re: The pros aligning their ball before putting?
Reply-To: lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:55:00 GMT

In article <la4vfjINNld6@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, ronr@ateami2.EBay.Sun.COM
(RON RICHARDSON) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> What are the pros doing when they turn their ball around before
|> putting?  Are they lining up the ball with the name stamp (legal?)
|> or rotating the ball so that only white shows?  They all seem to 
|> do it and even with the very short putts (time waster alert!!).
|> 

There's nothing illegal about aligning your ball with the 
name stamp pointing at the hole or perpendicular to the
hole or having the only the white part show.  My preference
is having the label pointing at the hole and facing 
right side up.  This helps me align properly.    

As a "time waster alert" the pros almost always mark 
their ball after a missed first putt for several reasons:
1. to avoid stepping in a competitor's line of putt, 
2. to clean the ball again (may have picked up some sand
or debris on first putt and 3. may have settled on a ball
mark depression which can be repaired without penalty.

-Paul
From: shkoo@pollux.usc.edu (Sang Hoe Koo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: SHAMROK golf club
Date: 2 Sep 1992 11:54:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu
Summary: Needs recommendation

Hi netters,

I am considering buying a glof club set, named SHAMROK.  The prices seem
to be reasonable, $200 - $435 for 9 irons and 3 woods.  What I want to 
know how it is good for beginners.  Anyone out there has experienced with
the brand?  If you do, please let me know what you think about it.
Thank you in advance,

Sang H. Koo
shkoo@usc.edu
From: mdiamond@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Mark P. Diamond)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: The pros aligning their ball before putting?
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:45:05 GMT
Reply-To: mdiamond@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Mark P. Diamond)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <la4vfjINNld6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> ronr@ateami2.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>What are the pros doing when they turn their ball around before
>putting?  Are they lining up the ball with the name stamp (legal?)
>or rotating the ball so that only white shows?  They all seem to 
>do it and even with the very short putts (time waster alert!!).
>

They are aligning the label of the ball along the line they wish
to putt.  This is perfectly legal.  

Upon advice from my pro, I go one step further.  Using my golf ball 
roundness indicator, I draw a line around the circumference of the ball.   
Kneeling behind my ballmarker, I use this line to line up  my ball up 
exactly along the line I want to putt.     

This not only gives me a perfect guide for aim, it also promotes a better
stance because it removes the temptation to line up with my shoulders after 
I have taken a stance.  This line also gives a nice reference for hitting it 
square to the putter blade.

And yes, it is legal to draw on your golf ball.

Mark <>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: dedek@meaddata.com (Mike Dedek)
Subject: Re: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:40:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.103545@screwdriver.Prime.COM>, lekberg@screwdriver.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> It is all personal preference, what makes you comfortable on the course, and
|> |> hey if you want to take 5 practice swings, go for it, who cares.  Relax.
|> |> 
|> |> -- 
|> 
|>   I'm not against taking a practice swing or two but taking more 
|> than two will invite slow play.   There is nothing more aggrevating
|> than watching someone take 2,3,or 4 practice swings and then proceed
|> to hit it sideways or just beyond their shadow.   If you are not
|> a good player, don't waste your time and others (especially those
|> behind you) by taking all those practice swings.  "Grip it and
|> rip it".
|> 
|> Paul

I'm a fairly fast player considering my large hdcp and for full-strenght shots
my pre-shot ritual includes 1 practice swing, no more, no less.  However, for
short chips and pitches I often take 4-5 practice swings.  For putts I
sometimes take 2-3 practice swings.  I don't think this is bad. 
As long as you follow the general rules of fast play, multiple
practice strokes for "touch" shots should be ok, IMO.  I agree that if you take
many strokes every time, and waggle and wobble, etc., and don't try to pick
your club before you get to the ball, it can take a long time.

-Mike
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:41:26 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

leonard@mpd.tandem.com (Leonard Toohey) writes:
- In article <1992Aug31.124300.19416@netnews.whoi.edu> tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu writes:
- >
- >     Forgive me Golfers for I have sinned.
- 
- stuff deleted
- 
- >I rescued the wedge from that nasty man.  Go ahead, FLAME ME,I deserve it.  But 
- >haven't you all encountered someone like this. someone who doesn't understand and
- >doesn't want to understand.  Go ahead, FLAME ME, because of the length of this
- >post.  Sorry I just had to get that off my chest.
- >
- 
- How many of you have ever been "hit into" by the group behind you. Or do you
- ever hit into the group in front of you after five holes of waiting on them 
- with no other groups ahead of them.

I have never been "hit into" when playing here in Sweden (or any other place
here in Europe). It happened on several occasions this summer in L.A., though.
Mostly it wasn't any big deal, but one round was infuriating.

We got balls beside us, between us and over us, and the answers when we
complained were the intelligent "I didn't know I could hit that far" and
"I didn't yell fore, 'cause you were so far away and wouldn't have heard it
anyway"...

The play wasn't especially slow that day, and we had no empty hole in
front of us, so we could see no reason. Finally, one guy in our 4-ball
lost his temper and hit the ball back down to the bottom of a deep ravine.

I seemed always to be put together with very nice people in 2/3/4-balls,
but got some strange excuses for golf-players behind or in front of me...

I beleive the liqour sold by the small car travelling around the course
my have something to do with some peoples' strange behaviour.

- 
- Any other ideas on how to encourage groups to speed up or practice proper
- etiquette?
- 
- Thanks, 
- 
- 
- -- 
- | Leonard E. Toohey              PCB Designer                            |
- | Tandem Computers Incorporated  Guardian: SMTPGATE@AUSTIN(leonard@tzone)|
- | 14231 Tandem Blvd.             Internet: leonard@mpd.tandem.com        |
- |_Austin, Texas 78728-6699_______Phone: (512) 244-8427___________________|

-- 
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 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342)
Subject: Just how high do you tee your ball?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:07:37 GMT

For comparison, how high do you golfers tee your ball?  On 
the teebox, with a driver.  I myself put the ball in the
palm of my hand with the tee between my fingers and push
into the ground until my fingers touch, then I rotate the
Tietlest towards the top to help keep my eyes on the ball.

I have read that the ball should be halfway above the 
face of the driver.
I am going to try this today, if it doesn't rain, more.


Harlan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Subject: Hogan Tour
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:53:26 GMT


I hate to show my ignorance, but what exactly is the Hogan tour.  I
have read about it in the paper but don't know.  Are they pro's, seniors,
amatuers, pro-am????  Just wondering.  Thanks alot.


From: steed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Gary Steed)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:19:04 GMT
Subject: Fixing Ballmarks (was: Divots...)
Organization: Corporate Computing & Services
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf


>BTW Don't replace divots on the greens. Just run and hide!
>8-)

This reminded me of something that I've been meaning ask here. 

I've always wondered about the proper way to repair a ball mark on the 
green. I see the pros just walkup and stick in a tee or their handy-dandy
ballmark-fixer and poke it in the ground and pry up some turf and tamp it 
down and that's it.  It never seems as easy when I do it. 

Let's use the following example;


                           X
                            
     ___________         ^^______________
                \       ///             
                  \ _ ///                 
                      
                                        
What I usually do is to insert my hole fixer into the ground near the 'X'. 
Then I pry the bunched up turf back to fill the hole. If I go deep enough
I can usually get enough dirt underneath to help fill the hole. Than I can 
tamp it down with my putter, or my foot (are feet OK?) 

So, what's the proper way to do this. If you're saying to yourself "But I don't
fix ballmarks or divots". BUUUZZZZZTTTTTT  WRONG ANSWER!!!! 

You are fixing your ballmarks aren't you? Better yet, fix your own and one more.
You won't have to look far to find another one. I'm sure your local greenskeeper
will appreciate it. 

Swing easy

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary Steed    				Hewlett-Packard Co.  
                                        CC&S Network Engineering
Unix:   steed@hpcc26.corp.hp.com        Palo Alto, CA.
From: cs@met.ed.ac.uk (C Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Ball marking.
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:45:55 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

Is there any law gathering the size of whatever you use to mark
the ball on the green?

(Discount genuine ball markers which you can never find cos they
always wedge themselves into the seams of one of the pockets in your
bag)

While a 5p coin or an old half pence is the ideal one to use, sometimes
you're forced to go for a fifty or a pound which are almost guaranteed
to deflect a ball if it hits it.

Just wondering....

In which case is there a rule to stop you using something so big 
it obsures the entire vicinity of the hole?

Now where was that club that gave you a free drink if you get round in 
under four hours? 

----------------------
 Campbell "2 1/2 hours" Smith      
 remote sensing
 edinburgh university
 cs@uk.ac.ed.met     
                     
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Subject: Re: Game summary sheet
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:04:21 GMT

ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:


>More importantly than editing to suit your club set, if you only want to cast a
>glance over it for review, you may want to edit it to give somewhat fewer than
>the 40 copies it spews out ...

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Ian Watson, HP Pinewood Information Systems Division, England.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Whoops, really sorry about that...

Tim MacEachern
From: David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Fixing Ballmarks (was: D
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 22:29:04 -0600

JV>if you could spend  $0.50 on a divot fixer, as the circumference is much
less
JV>than a tee, and 2 points are better than one.  Now if I
JV>could figure out a way
JV>to not lose the damn divot tool, so that the $0.50 doesn't
JV>turn into $10/yr....

Jim,  I  lose those divot fixers, too and they are tough to fish out
of your shorts/pants pocket--if you're like  me  and  have  tees  in
there  too.   I  noticed one of the players at the Northgate Classic
LPGA tournament I attended had a divot fixer on kind of a money clip
thingee clipped to the edge of her shorts pocket.  GREAT IDEA.  Now,
who knows where I can buy a divot fixer like this?  I  haven't  seen
any in the golf mail order mags.


                                   o o o o
                                  o        o
From Minnesota--highest per capita of golf nuts in the Nation!
David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com      o            o
                              o               o      |18>
____________________________o_________________ o o o |_________
 X SLMR 2.0 X hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?

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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rude, Rude, rude
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:46:56 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

kozlowsk@acs.ucalgary.ca (Don M. Kozlowski) writes:
- In article <1992Aug31.124300.19416@netnews.whoi.edu> tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu () writes:
- 
- [long tirade about rude golfer deleted...]
- ...
- >him the rest of the round and he never spoke to us again. I'm certain that he 
- >missed his P-wedge at some point but he never came looking.  Now I feel that I've
- >lowered myself to his level, but I also consider the wedge (Mizuno Tour xp w/
- >graphite shaft) partial compensation for his ruining my $30 round of golf.
- >Yeah I know, Golf isn't about all that petty crap, but it felt nice knowing that
- >I rescued the wedge from that nasty man.  Go ahead, FLAME ME,I deserve it.  But 
- >haven't you all encountered someone like this. someone who doesn't understand and
- >doesn't want to understand.  Go ahead, FLAME ME, because of the length of this
- >post.  Sorry I just had to get that off my chest.
- >
- >I, not my company, am responsible for my rantings or criminal behavior. -Tim 
- 
- 
- Well as much as I'd like to sympathize with you for his having
- ruined your game, I can't help but think you've lowered yourself
- to BELOW his level. He's just an obnoxious jerk, but you are now a
- thief on a golf course. 
- 
- Why didn't you report this bozo, and turn his club into the pro
- shop? Let the pro shop staff deal with him.

While rude behaviour is no excuse for stealing a man's club, reporting
someone doesn't seem of much use. On just about all courses the "staff"
collected greenfees and no more. They didn't care about what people did
on the course, and they didn't know the rules either (I asked a couple
of questions, but they could answer none, like how US. handicap is
computed. I got the answer here on the net).

- 
- -- 
- Don Kozlowski	                 	Phone: (403) 220-5156
- Academic Computing Services		Fax:   (403) 282-9199
- The University of Calgary

-- 
=============================================================================
 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
=============================================================================
From: ronm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Mora)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: more trivia, anyone ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:40:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


       1W = Driver
       2W = Brassie
       3W = Spoon
       4W = Cleek
       5W = Baffy
 
       Irons
       ----------
       1  = Driving Iron
       2  = Midiron 
       3  = Mid Mashie
       4  = Mashie iron
       5  = Mashie
       6  = Spade Mashie
       7  = Mashie Niblic
       8  = Lofter
       9  = Niblic
      PW  = Pitching Wedge
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf 
Summary: nothing important
Keywords: Divot 
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:15:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.125035.27433@mksol.dseg.ti.com> whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342) writes:

>I am curious as to whether it is good to take a divot
>or not.  

My course has signs up that say to replace all divots. I think you'd
be stealing if you took one. :-)


>If it is good, when is it good, how large 
>should the divot be?  

It depends on what you intend to do with it. If you are resodding your
lawn I suggest you take large ones. :-)

>Harlan 

-ethan


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From: olda@me.chalmers.se (Olof Daunius)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Avoiding big hooks
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: olda@me.chalmers.se (Olof Daunius)

In article <1992Aug31.203302.8050@rose.com>, bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com
(bohdan kiszczuk) writes:
# W > From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
# W > Subject: Avoiding big hooks on low loft clubs?

# W > I generally hit straight or with a slight fade, but I sometimes
# W > get a big left turn with a loft club (driver or 2-iron), usually
# W > when there is trouble to be had on the left.  I'm not talking
# W > [ stuff deleted ]
#
#        Boy does that sound familiar. In my case it's simply "trying" 
# to swing harder than I usually do. My tempo gets all screwed up and I 
# end up with my upper body stuck on my right side along with felling 
# like I'm I'm moving away from the ball on the down swing. The club 
# comes way inside and low and behold big hook. There's one hole on a 
# [ more stuff deleted ]
# error. In a nutshell; take enough club, beleive in it, and make your 
# NORMAL swing. 
 
I agree. The really disastrous hooks occur when you're swinging too
hard. Here comes a scenario from my latest tournament:

After being level par after six holes, I am awarded a two-shot penalty for
playing the wrong ball on #7, giving me a double bogey. I didn't feel too
upset about that, since I felt I was playing quite good. The eight hole
was a ~175 yards par 3 with a peninsula green, where I pushed my tee shot
into the water. I played a new ball over the green, chipped and three putted
from 8 feet for a 4-bogey 7. When walking towards the ninth tee, trying
hard to regain my composure, a marshall tells us to speed up (we had lost
contact with the group in front due to the wrong-ball incident on #7).
Well, all this caused my brain to overheat, so I reached for my driver,
thinking revenge, and promptly hit _two_ mind-boggling snap hook's in
the water on the ninth adding another 4-bogey to my rapidly degenerating score.

The moral of this story is of course: Don't hit too hard.

Sorry about the whining, but it feels much better now...

Olof