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From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dragon Drop
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:43:34 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Sat 12 Dec 92  5:43, Barrett@iastate.edu (marc N. Barret
wrote:

 BNB>    IMO, Amiga AppIcons are something of a kludge, and not nearly as
 BNB> elegant as the Macintosh equivelent.

Marc, we are not nearly concearned with the Mac's implementations.  Start,
once and for all, to think in term of multitasking, the AMIGA multitasking.

 BNB>    BTW, on the Macintosh you can use "drag and drop" to open
 BNB> projects even if the application is not running. [...] This is not
 BNB> possible on the Amiga, since the application needs to be running in
 BNB> order for there to be an AppIcon to drag a project to!

Then again, an Amiga task running isn't the same meaning as a Mac running
task.  Remenber that a Task on the Amiga world can take no CPU time at all
if it is not needed, so we may as well "run" applications so that their
AppIcons are available.

 BNB> ---
 BNB> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
 BNB> --------------------------------------------------

Just get a Mac and get away from here, please?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:23:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.182224.13346@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

 > My point was that there is not anyhting common, it would seem, about the Amiga
 > look to things.  With Windows or OS/2, you get a consistant way of things.    
 > Therre couldn't be a 'look and fee' suit against Commodore for the Amiga 
 > because the 'look and feel' changes from app to app.  Tell me this isn't
 > true.  Really, I want to know.

Well, there is - it's just that you can choose to fix your own user interface.  At
least it's customizeable...

 > >>Hopefully, HOPEFULLY, hires and HI color workbenchs are worth using.  And some
 > >>Amigans tout the BLAZING SPEED of the WB?!  Good grief! I sure would hope so,
 > >>to lauch a program to be able to stop looking at it.

CAN you start programs from Winzzz without using Program Manager or installing the
damn things?  I kinda like the fact that putting in a disk results in an ICON on
the SCREEN...

 > >You didn't even SEE the WB.  Quit blasting it.  Gawd, one magazine and he
 > >thinks he's an expert.
 > 
 > Me?  An expert?  I never claimed I was doing anyhting investigative here. 
 > I DID say I 'flipped' through it. I *did* think the Amiga1200/600 looked
 > good, didn't I?  Oh, but I might be wrong.

Yup, ya are.  I don't like the a600/1200 looks...  But I *do* like the
Workbench...

 > >And one more thing:  if I see that stupid "(ya know, the ones that the
 > >Amiga can't run)" I'm going to kick you in the teeth till your toes
 > >bleed!  (Non-literaly :)
 > 
 > Ha! Ha! (laughs audibly)  I *love* throwing things like that in.  Just 
 > keeps you guys up-to-date on those great games like Ultima Underworld-by
 > FAR the best RPG *ever*, and Falcon 3.0 -perhaps the best fighter sim
 > on *any* platform.  Also, it serves to point out that bare MSDOS machines -
 > the OS that you AMigans bash to hell and back - is what they run 'on'. 
 > I'll do it more now and again to keep you guys from getting too cocky. :)

At least we have something to get cocky ABOUT ;)

 > >--Jason Balicki
 > >kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
 > -- 
 > Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
 > "There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
 > we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
 >                         -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

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From: robert@geoblue.gcn.uoknor.edu (Robert Lindsay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Wish list for AGA software
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:15:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BzGw1B.DFt
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Dec16.211252.3933@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.063734.6234@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>>
>>	Okay, I'll bite.  What exactly is "nursing positions".
>
>
>...just read the book.  It has become a classic and is almost certainly
>in your local library or bookstore.
>
>Gosh... this started out as such a freindly little post about an Amiga
>software wishlist too.
>
>
>>> While NCW is a loyal amiga owner and all that, I worry about anybody who get
>>> too deep into Dr. Wilson Brian Key's books. Sure there are undoubtably 
>>> sublimials out there, but if you get too heavy into his stuff yo you start 
>>> to see them EVERYWHERE. That way lies madness.
>
>
>They are everywhere.  Amiga World is running there sexual penatration ad
>again on page 64 of the December issue.  A stream of Amiga Worlds form a
>phallus with a path to a castle and the castle doors look remarkably like
>a vaginal opening.  I posted about this before in more detail. 
>
>The december issue of Mac World has an interesting one on page 182 featuring
>a rather boyish saleswoman, a young black man, and the typical Macweenie
>who is the only one of the three NOT playing pocket pool.  "Try Before You
>Buy" is the core message of this ad for MacWorld CD Ventures.  Hmmm...
>

Sorry, Neil. As I said, that way lies madness. If your going to see these 
things in relativity low power mags like amigaworld and macworld, how do you
ever get throgh watching a Pro Footbal game or reading Vanity Fair (where there
are probably things going on)?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sjchmura@kimbark.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Subject: Archives of Jeff Young
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution:  world
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:42:49 GMT

I was wondering if anyone had an archive/file of J.Y. quotes (verbatim).
I especially would like the "DEEP DODO" one.

Thanks for the waste of bandwith but he did add character to this group.


-- 
________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
  "Given enough time, the impossible becomes probable, and the probable
	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:41:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.193022.16527@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.172708.2107@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>>Whoaaa! Now just a second here: I just hear from a dealer in El Paso Texas
>>that "Microsoft was going to make Windows NT for the Amiga." At the time I
>>just said, "yeah right, sure they are... and Irving Gould has left Commodore
>>to me as a Christmas gift..." But now I wonder. I hate to get unfounded wild

	Well, for the next DevCon I received a letter stating that there will
be a seminar on business management. I hope Irving got a letter too.

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From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:47:05 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:

>And to the alpha processor, it has a rewritable opcode to emulate an 68040
>or something like that.  So perhaps that is how they pulled running 
>amigados on the alpha.  Of course you would want an os that would run directly
>off the risc cpu, ie risc os.


That's not really necessary, because it'll be blazing fast anyway.... Besides,
all the programs would be written and compiled for a 68000 machine... (ie Dpaint,
ProKludge, Final Copy etc...)

>Martin


Christopher B. Fury        | "...reality was once a primative method of crowd  
cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu    |  control that got out of hand" - Jane Wagner
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:59:25 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Yeah, and I could sell all my comics and get an Amiga600 to hook upto
>my TV, BUT I'M NOT. 

Ha, I am considering doing just that--not for an A600, of course.  I'd get
an A1200.  I've got over 1500 comics rotting away at home...

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:19:58 GMT

In article <70750,443-101292161602@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike) writes:
>In article <1g640cINN4vo@mozz.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G
>Greene) wrote:
> 
>>    I can also multitask most of my games, since
>>    I have OS2.  So this is not an Amiga only capability.
>
>Yes, but Amiga owners do not have to have 16 MB
>of RAM to use this capability of their OS. Nor does
>Amiga's OS take up 30 MB of HD space. *This,* IMO
>is what produced the HD status quo among PCs -
>people needed lots HD space to run their big, messy
>operating systems.

I do not have 16 megs in my 386.  I do not take up 30megs of
HD space with my OS/2 2.0.  Blam! Blam! Your point are blown to
pieces!

>Hmm. Maybe we should try and get C= to make Amiga
>DOS 4.0 bigger, nastier, buggier, etc. so Amiga
>owners will no longer be able to run it from floppies,
>and will be *forced* to purchase a HD.

Why won't you guys figure out that there is a *reason* why OS/2 _can_
take up a lot of room?

>Naaah . . .

I thought so.

>Spike
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM, what's wrong?
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:38:52 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec19.131012.1917@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>>   50% of IBM's sales come from Europe (I believe that figure is about 57%,
>>actually, but that's from a year or two ago). Commodore's sales are 87%
>>European (and we all know why).
>
>Not to sound totally nieve.....but why?

   Commodore USA sat on their thumbs while the European subsidiaries marketed
their products. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:52:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.182224.13346@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>My point was that there is not anyhting common, it would seem, about the Amiga
>look to things.  With Windows or OS/2, you get a consistant way of things.    
>Therre couldn't be a 'look and fee' suit against Commodore for the Amiga 
>because the 'look and feel' changes from app to app.  Tell me this isn't
>true.  Really, I want to know.

It's true - you get lots of different interfaces on Amiga applications.  That
probably reflects the Amiga attitude of wanting to be different.  Commodore
have recognised that this is a problem, and have not only published a style
guide, but now provide standard requestors and gadgets.  In the past,
programmers had to roll their own, leading to wildly different looks.

>Sure.  That Alex guy trimed his mondo 20-line .sigr down too.  And Jerry's is
>smaller, toO!

And, I've just dropped a line off mine...

>Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  


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From: matthewd@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Matthew Davidian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Summary: Power Up Deal and Power Station rumour
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:42:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California State University, Fresno

On a local BBS I read this about the upgrade for the AGA machines:
 A1200, Final Copy II, DPaint 4.5 (AGA version):  $599
 A4000, DPaint 4.5, Art Dept. Pro:  $2693

I posted the info on the A1200 on GEnie, and someone confirmed it
with a dealer.  The BBS poster said the Power Up program would start
in Jan/Feb, but the dealer said it would start when the machines came
in.  Same type of arrangement as before, manual cover for your machine
and the serial number gets you the discount, you keep your old computer
(or sell it yourself).

The software is a nice bonus, if you've already got those packages, just
sell them to someone else.  They apparently don't add much to the total
price anyway so there's no sense complaining about it.

Also in that BBS post was some info on the "Power Station" which I am
taking with a handful of salt.  This machine is supposed to be out in
the spring, and has convinced NewTek that they need to develop an A4000
version of their Toaster to remain competitive.  It's supposed to have
the full AGA chipset (goodbye Paula), C= is supposed to have incorporated
high end 3rd party technology, supposed to have "serious brain power" and
priced at $4400.  A machine for professionals.  Supposed to give Iris
workstations a run for their money in 24-bit real time rendering dept.

Take that for what it's worth.

Matt Davidian
matthewd@csufres.csufresno.edu
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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:15:55 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB
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don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
: In <bn.01co@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:
: >
: >3.0 has nothing to do with the general improvement of the OS. It's a
: >release for support of the AGA chipset. 3.1 will be important, because
: 
:      Wrong.  3.0 also adds Datatypes.library, the directory caching FFS,
: and numerous other improvements internally (like support for double-buffering
: in Intuition, etc).  It's far from an AGA version of 2.1... it's a rather
: big upgrade all the way around.  Why CBM is even bothering with 2.1 is a 
: bit of a mystery to me.

For those who want Locale support without having to buy a new ROM, for
instance. How is it, does the KS 3.0 even physically fit in an old 2000?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jimmy@mickey.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Chan)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:30:00 GMT

In article <Bz9BFz.GH5@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.030707.19397@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>In your last article, you were saying that the A3000's SCSI would have
>>been okay for an under $3000 computer.  Now you are calling the A4000
>>an over-$3000 computer.  If you are going to make ridiculous statements,
>>at least try to be consistent in your inaccuracy.
>
>   The list price is well over $3000, but the street prices are just under 
>$3000.  
>
>   Will the price of the A4000 drop below $1500 anytime in the foreseeable
>future?  That is where I draw the line between whether an Amiga system should
>have SCSI or IDE.  IDE is adequate for Amiga priced below $1500, but Amigas
>priced above $1500 should have SCSI. 
>   Will you be buying the A3090 SCSI II card?  If so, why?  I am just 
>wondering, because you are the only one who actually believes that Commodore
>did the right thing by using IDE in the A4000.

>>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

Marc, a couple of things here.  Currently IBM compatible systems >$1500
are loaded with IDE so, what does that say about your justification of the
$1500 cutoff.  Totally baseless if you need to ask.  

I'll take a stand and say that C= did the right thing.  Considering what an
IDE controller costs, after talking to a friend who sells IBM compatibles,
and what a SCSI I controller costs, that would bring up the cost of the
A4000 a couple of hundred dollars more.  And then when the SCSI II
controller happens to come out in '93, there will be a big fuss over how
everyone wasted money on a SCSI I controller when the SCSI II controller
was coming out.  And I can also imagine that you, Marc, will be posting
your inane diatribe about that also.  At least the amount wasted between an
IDE -> SCSI II controller is less than SCSI I -> SCSI II controller.  

I've said this before.  Marc, why would you, a person who owns an A500 and
keeps mouthing off that he wouldn't buy anything again from C= again, care
one wit about what C= includes in their new machines.  It is a bit hard to
refrain from name calling to express exactly what I feel to reading your
stupid notes and ludicrous accusations unlike Skip...8-).  

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Alpha Amigas: HUH?! Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:55:02 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec17.080112.10553@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>People on this group talk about a 'RISC' Amiga, or 'Alpha' AMiga.
>Isn't an Amiga defined by AMigaDOS and the extensive use of the
>graphics chips??
>
>With NT or whatever, wouldn't this shoot to hell WHAT the label
>on the computer says?

Personally, I'd rather have an Amiga with a Motorola chip inside, instead
of a chip that was primarily designed to run VMS.

--
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From: spiercy@cup.portal.com (Scott Kelly Piercy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:47:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Dec12.134254.3501@nic.csu.net>

my dealer told me (and I used to work for him, so I can trust him, although
I always have doubts of his C= source, simply because I know C= all
too well) that C= will release an AMIGA next year (he said the time frame
was about 4 months from now) that contains the DEC ALPHA processor.  
Totally speculation at this point however


spiercy (spiercy@cup.portal.com)
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:18:32 GMT
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Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:

: Gosh, now if only I knew someone with WB2 I could actually *use*.
: The Amiga1000 with WB1.3 should be here in a few days...I don't
: plan to comment so much on the GUI as I will the great multitasking
: everyone talks about.  I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Geez, why are you here if you haven't used any of the stuff yet?

BTW, an Amiga 1000 with WB1.3? That computer is from 1985, I will
gladly try a PC from 1985 and compare it with my Amiga 3000.

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From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Subject: Re: Ignore Barrett
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 03:38:16 GMT

In article <BzBJz7.C95@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> lozinski@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Lozinski) writes:
>Since this guy (Marc Barrett) is so annoying and pissing everybody off,
>what do you all say if we just ignore him since we can't get rid of him.
>

what a novel idehow many advocacy people actually got together and 
helped you with this one...

mike seifert, G(s)=reality(s)/stupidity(s)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re:   OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:31:02 GMT

In article <root.0377@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>>>But only if the RISC chip is Alpha or MIPS in little endian mode.
>>Which I would imagine to be implicitly assumed at this point.

>And I'll follow that up by asking why anyone would want a $7000+ Amiga?

Perhaps as a low-end alternative to other machines in the same class.
For that matter, whose to say that it would cost $7000? 

>>>Why would someone want a server OS for MSDOS Windows 3.x on their Amiga?
>>At the moment, this is highly subjective. In retrospect, it may prove to be
>>a significant offering.

>A server is a system that sits in the corner and grinds away.

I have a hard time believing that this is all NT will amount to.

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