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From: cyoon@utdallas.edu (Chang K. Yoon)
Subject: Where are the current ICS servers?
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:27:24 GMT

Where are the current ICS servers located?  I haven't played in a while, so
I don't have any addresses anymore, so if you have a list, please e-mail it
to me.  Thanks.

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From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:36:20 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

In article <SCHILLER.92Jul22163815@tira.uchicago.edu> schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller) writes:
>
>Yes, Kolty's book is good. He is honest enough to admit at the end that
>there are easy ways for Black to obtain equality. Anything that does not
>lose gets "endorsed" for tournament play.
>
>Eric Schiller

How about discussing why the Torre is better?  Besides getting the
bishop to g5, what other benefits are there?  Should White castle
Queen-side?  Try to jam it up with e4? etc...

I don't have much experience with 1 d4, but I have always had the
impression that winning with the Queen Pawn Openings is very difficult.
In other words, without c4 for White, Black has good opportunities to
equalize and get play.

-benoni
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad?
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:56:13 EDT

In article <1992Jul27.152547.13990@pixel.kodak.com>, jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow) writes:
> In article <7_km#ck.sears@netcom.com> sears@netcom.com (Daniel Sears) writes:
>>Bobby Fischer was one of my idols as I grew up.  But his decision
>>to come out of retirement to play a match in Serbia is repugnant.
>>I wonder how he can reconcile this decision with religious beliefs.
>>
> 
> Religious what?!?!?!  We're talking about Bobby Fischer here!!!!  The same man
> who reportedly handed out pro-Nazi, anti-semetic phamphlets on the streets of
> Southern Ca. while living as a bum.  And this despite the fact that Bobby
> Fischer was born and raised as a Jew!!!!!!  I don't think Fischer gives a damn
> about the horrible circumstances in that part of the world.  For a great book
> on Fischer and the surronding rumors, read In Searching For Bobby Fischer by
> Fred (?) Waitzkin (sp?).
> 
> And now for the biggest irony of this post -- Despite this, I, even as a Jew,
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> loves Bobby Fischer and cannot wait to see him play again, if all this it 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> true!  Why?  Because, like the rest of you chess lovers, Fischer grabbed hold
^^^^^^^^

An anology here. No flames are meant. But one of the greatest generals of
all time was a 'Nazi' - Erwin Rommel. This man was a brilliant strategist
bu was n the wrong side. I am not sure if Rommel was actually a Nazi, he
once said that he was a German, and was fighting for Germany. Ultimately
he ended up in a coffin as one of the collaboraters in the unsuccessful
assassination againt Hitler July 1944.

I hope that Fischer isn't a Nazi. Perhaps that is the reason for his
seclusion for 2 decades? I don't understand what the deal is here.
Excuse me for babbling but its late and I have a a few too many drinks tonight
:)

But at least I can spell POTATO :) :) :)



> of our imaginations and never let go.  And we never allowed him to, because
> we never wanted to let go ourselves.  Fischer played chess like no one else
> ever has or will, and because of this, we all look beyond the fact that he is
> probably a terrible human being with a pathetic personality.  And as humans,
> we cannot help ourselves when it comes to pure art, imagination, and 
> intelligence.  Our weakness takes over, and we end up revering the man.
> 
> I can't wait for the match!!!!!!!  Please let it be true!!!!!!!!!!!
> -- 
> Russell Jaslow          | Spec Racer #33  Finger Lakes Region | My employer
> Eastman Kodak Company   |     In memorium: Andrew Spiller     | has nothing
> Rochester, New York     |       Cynthia Bishop Halstead       | to do with
> jaslow@bissun.kodak.com | Keep the damn drunks off our roads! | my drivel.
From: bhahn@sw.stratus.com (Bill Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:31:36 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

David Epstein writes:
>Personally, I love facing the 4 Pawns Attack (if you don't, you shouldn't
>be playing the Alekhine's!). I play the 6..c5 line and have never lost with
>it.

[Standard trap in this line omitted.]

I was crazy enough to play this line against Spassky in a simul, and he
of course played 10. a3, which stops all the lines where Black's bishop 
goes to b4.   What do you play against this?   (Yes, by all means, give
away your secrets on the net.  :-0)

(That 1973 Ljubo-Bronstein game is known to act on us lowly 'B' players
 like a potent wine...)

-- 
Bill Hahn               bhahn@sw.stratus.com
Stratus Computer        "Dying would definitely slow us down." -
Marlboro, MA, USA           Rich Frongillo
--------- These are my opinions and not necessarily those of Stratus.------
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From: ccsdgdc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Douglas Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad (chess as art)
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:36:33 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


Sven Hauptfeld has defined the situation exactly. It is not very
healthy for chess. SAnction-busting with a Serb millionaire putting
up the money. It will be a great pity if the match takes place.
The Serbs are the pariahs of Europe.
-- 
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Regional Services,                       JANET : D.G.D.Clark@uk.ac.bath
Bath University Computing Services, UUCP : ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!gdr!D.G.D.Clark
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Correction Re: [Castling and] Check
From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:16:38 EDT
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Jul24.185834.14145@husc3.harvard.edu> I wrote:
>                                                   [...] [Some dialects
>of fairy chess do allow triple check.  This can be achieved for instance
>with the help of a Grasshopper: in the position WKf7,Rh1,Bh6,Qf6/BKh8
>White's 1.Bg7 is triple check and mate.]                     ^^^

This should read "Gf6", G as in Grasshopper.

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: roland@sics.se (Roland Karlsson)
Subject: Re: New computer rules from FIDE
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:30:45 GMT


sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards) says that this is the new
FIDE rules concerning computers in tournaments:

> 1) Computers may only play in tournaments if the computer manufacturer
> has paid a standard registration fee to FIDE.
> 2) If the tournament organizer allows the participation of a computer
> which does not conform to point 1 above then the tournament will not
> be recognized (and rated) by FIDE.
> 3) Computers will have a separate FIDE rating list and will be counted
> for rating purposes.
> 4) Humans participating in tournaments with computers will not be
> allowed to refuse to play against the computers.

Are those rules really for real?
Rule 3 is just unbelievable.  Players rated in separate lists do
affect the rating of each other.  I cannot see the difference aginst
having just one list.  Rule 4 is an insult to all players that does
not want to play against computers.

I am very interested in chess (and other game) programming but I do
not want machines (e.g. chess machines) to participate in regular
(e.g. FIDE) tournaments for humans.  Special mixed tournaments are OK.
Rating lists for computers are very nice as product information but
games aginst computers shall not affect the rating of human beings.

I have already told the reason for my opinions but here is a summary:
Computer chess machines are not individuals.  Both the software and
the hardware can be reproduced.  And both can come in different
versions.  So, it is very hard to tell against whom I am playing when
playing against a computer program.  Moreover the computer chess
machine does not get tired and grow old.  How do you like to play a
fresh computer at the end of a tiring chess tournament?  How do you
like to meet the same computer 40 years later, still going strong?
How do you like to participate in a tournament where 100 different
versions of nearly the same chess machine participate?  And all of
them having a rating of over 3000?  Remember that nearly all chess
programs run on similar hardware and use similar algorithms.  So all
of them are only variations on a theme.


--
Roland Karlsson             SICS, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
Internet: roland@sics.se    Tel: +46 8 752 15 40          Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
Telex: 812 6154 7011 SICS   Ttx: 2401-812 6154 7011=SICS
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: qazqaz@Muir.Stanford.EDU (Mike Perkins)
Subject: Benoni, Winawer, Benko
Originator: qazqaz@Muir.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Ye Olde Pawn Shoppe
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:00:39 GMT


1)   Does anyone know of lines with the opening 1.d4 e6 2.c4 c5 that don't
transpose into a Benoni? Or maybe you would call this a Benoni no matter
what follows. I've experimented with it a few times on ICS, the last time
against benoni himself in a very casual game, with reasonable success
(as black). I didn't see this as an opening in my opening book.

2)   In an ICS game with Bigfoot we opened 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 e5 (my
opponent told me this is called the Winawer countergambit, which I'd never
seen) 4.de5 d4 5.Ne4 Qa5+ 6.Bd2 Qxe5 7.Ng3 c5 8.Nf3 Qc7 9.e3 de3 10.Bxe3 Bg4

I believe 4.cd is normally played, but I seemed to do fine with 4.de.
Is there a variation that shows 4.de to be inferior to 4.cd?

3)   Here's an unregistered ICS game I played against Tim(2110) yesterday
where I got a piece up (not bad for a 1300-ish ICS player) before timing out:

talon-Tim:   1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.e3 g6 5.Nc3 b4 6.Ne2 d6 7.Nf3 Bg7
8.g3 o-o 9.Bg2 e5 10.de6 e.p. fe6 (I expected Bxe6) 11.o-o Bb7

	*r *n    *q    *r *k  -
	*p *b  -     -    *b *p
	    -    *p *p *n *p  -
	 -    *p     -     -
	   *p  P  -     -     -
	 -     -     P  N  P
	 P  P     -  N  P  B  P
	 R     B  Q  -  R  K

12.Ng5 Bxg2 13.Nxe6!? Qd7? (He had Qh3 in mind overlooking the response Nf4.
Qe7 looks playable, though 13. ... Bxf1 14.Nxd8 Bxe2 seems best for black
at first glance, giving up his queen for several pieces)
14.Nxf8 Bxf8 15.Kxg2 Nc6 etc., white losing on time 20 or so moves later.

I would appreciate any thoughts on my assessment of our 13th moves and the
parenthetical 13. ... Bxf1 line.

Thanks.

mike (talon on ICS)

PS- I don't suppose any enterprising soul out there is writing an ICS
    interface for we Macintosh users, are you?
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:04:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.082215.13181@jyu.fi> ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen) writes:

>I think Alburts book is not very impressive. It thinks blacks chances too
>highly

Although I'm not familiar with that book, another one of his
books, "Test and Improve Your Chess," has some interesting analysis
of 5 or 6 Alekhine games.  This isn't an opening book, though.  In
fact, it's very different from any other book I've seen - strange,
but very interesting.

Unfortunately, it seems to be a trend for authors
to overestimate the chances that one gets from the specified
opening.  Have you ever seen any of the Smith and Hall books
on openings?  Ugh!

>Alburt by the way has had very hard times with the opening. According to a
> statistics in  NIC he has had less than 40 % with his favourite g6-system.
>(the usual white percent is 55.6) Other systems for black aren't much better.

It isn't fair to judge the Alekhine through Alburts performance.
Playing the same response to e4 (or d4 for that matter - Benko)
99.9% of the time isn't exactly normal GM practice.  Maybe Fischer
will play an Alekhine in his Spassky match, as he played one in
the first.  Of course, he played just about everything in that
match!

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow)
Subject: Re: India & Australia in Olympiad
Summary: India 22, Australia 45-47 (out of 102)
Keywords: Result
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution:     world
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:15:55 GMT

That's what SchachWoche #26 gives.  And the bulletins concur:

No. Team         Ded   Game  Solkoff  Match  SB pts   Median
--- ----         ---   ----  -------  -----  ------   ------
01. Russia       RUS   29.0   461.00  12.0   393.75   331.00
02. Uzbekistan   UZK   35.0   453.50  10.5   33.000   323.00
03. Armenia      ARM   34.5   458.00  10.5   339.75   324.00
04. U.S.A.       USA   34.0   453.50  10.5   332.75   320.50
05. Latvia       LAT   33.5   450.00  10.5   330.25   320.00
06. Iceland      ISD   33.5   443.00  10.5   330.25   320.00
07. Croatia      CRO   33.5   440.00   9.0   270.50   312.00
08. Georgia      GEO   33.0   450.00   9.0   281.00   319.50
09. Ukraine      UKR   33.0   445.50   8.0   245.00   321.50
10. England      ENG   33.0   445.50   8.0   245.00   315.50

...


22. India        IND   31.5   425.50   7.5   223.75   305.50

...

45. Kazakhstan   KAZ   29.0   416.50   6.5   183.25   301.00
46. Australia    AUS   29.0   416.00   7.0   199.50   298.50
47. Austria      OST   29.0   407.00   7.5   208.50   291.00

...

[perhaps I do the rest, but offline...]

I'll grab some Anand games, for the believers.  :-)


--Elliott
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer and sanctions
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:22:08 EDT
Distribution: rec.games.chess

In article <1992Jul27.183954@lglsun.epfl.ch>, barbey@lglsun.epfl.ch (Stephane Barbey) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.014417.25697@rata.vuw.ac.nz>, vova@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Vladimir Pestov) writes:
> : The return of Bobby Fischer to chess is much more important than
> : maintaining sanctions against Yugoslavia.
> 
> It's pathetic. Human rights are much more important than a game, even
> Chess. Some people are trying to save lives and you just crave for
> a show... 
> 
> : Vladimir Pestov
> 
> -Stephane
 
  Yes, human rights are more important,BUT I do not think that 
that match will somehow badly affect human rights. 
  Vadim.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: CAPSA <capsa@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:04 PDT
Subject: Re: J. Polgar and Olympiad, NOT!
Nf-ID: #R:benwood.711846014@milton:-1752461904:cdp:1451600014:000:254
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capsa    Jul 24 22:04:00 1992


The story at the Olympiad was that non of the Polgars played because the
Hungarian Chess Federation would not pay for a Manila trip for the ENTIRE 
family.  I do not know the facts of this; merely report the prevailing
rumor.

Fraternally,

Jerry Bibuld

From: bruno@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Bruno Bienenfeild)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:59:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Castling and Check
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess

Hi,
It may help to you and wide audiance to read:
The Competitor's Handbook
by Bozidar M. Kazic
publ. by Arco Publishing, Inc. N.Y.
ISBN 0-668-04963-4
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: chess for windows
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:20:29 GMT


	i found a fairly nice little p.d. chess program for windows called 
chess321, it's archived at ftp.cica.indiana.edu in the games subdirectory of 
win3. nothing fancy, but it doesn't take up much memory.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: gfeygin@eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin)
Subject: Re: Chess tournaments held by bad guys
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:50:16 GMT

In article <Bs293M.3L1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>   There are definitely precedents for chess tournaments conducted by evil
>regimes, although what you count depends on your definition of evil:
>
>(1) Alekhine, Keres, and probably others played in chess tournaments under
>Nazi auspices (Euwe refused to do so)
>
>(2) Some people might consider the 1978 World Championship in the Phillipines
>as an example.
>
>(3) Smyslov played a match in Abu Dhabi (I think.  In any case, I must admit
>this isn't a really strong example)
>
>(4) Lasker wrote during World War I about Germany ``On our side fight 
>morality and science.''
>
>(5) Reshevsky and Fine played in tournaments in Russia in the middle 30's,
>when the purges were in progress.
>
>(6) There was a big uproar over attempts to bar Quinteros from tournaments
>after he played in South Africa.

Another example was an Olympiad in Abu-Dabi, which excluded Israeli team in
clear violation of the FIDE rules (the country hosting the event must 
guarntee admission to all players). 

>
>   I would be curious as to whether Fischer's playing would actually violate
>any laws.  This is not the same as shipping arms or computers.
From: breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl (Dennis Breuker)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Organization: University of Limburg
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:13:45 GMT

pmanne@math.uio.no (Per Manne) writes:

>According to Swedish television, Fischer has agreed to play a match against
>Spassky. The match is supposed to take place in Yugoslavia (of all places!)
>next month. No further details are given, neither is the source. Does
>anyone
>know anything about this???

Yes, I read it in this morning's newspaper. The arbiter would be Gligoric
(sp?), and Fisher would receive a lot of money (I can't recall how much).

I don't give Fischer much chance against Spassky (or any other top
chess-player), although I would like it if I am wrong.

Dennis Breuker
(breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl)
From: fdeming@cvbnet@prime.com (Frank Deming {x6088})
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer, Spassky, and Money
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:08:47 GMT
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Computer Company, Bedford, MA, USA

I am curious about one aspect of the terms, and how it relates to the likelihood
of the match coming off. If 5 million in hard currency is projected to be the
prize money, why would it be in the interest of the Serbs to let this money
escape from Serbia. Hard currency will be difficult to scrape together now and 
in the future. I am sure Spassky and Fischer are not interested in vague promises
in anything less that cash on the barrowhead.

Frank Deming
fdeming@aecmail.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Subject: quick chess
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: US
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:50:56 GMT

Hello,
could someone please explain the quick chess rating system?
Is it completely separate of the standard rating?
Does it have provisional ratings as well?
In your first quick chess tournament, are you classified
by your previous rating or considered unrated?
Also, is it only for Game in 10 or Game in 15?
is game in 11-14 ok?
I am trying to convince a TD to run one of these.
-benoni


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Subject: Re: ICS
Keywords: chess server
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.230719.25961@nntp.uoregon.edu> aaron@cie.uoregon.edu (Aaron Putnam) writes:
> A suggestion was made by trb on eve, to handle the ratings server
> connection with a separate process, but this presents alot of tricky
> problems (such as password verification).  It's a great idea, if it's
> feasible to implement.  I'll look into it.

Let me make my idea clearer, as I mentioned it to Desmodus in a brief
ICS "tell conversation."

Right now, it is apparently a major problem that when a game finishes
on the ICS, it takes about five seconds to adjust the ratings and
perform the database update.  In the current implementation, this locks
out all other ICS interaction during this operation.

If the update is a separate process, then it can happen concurrently
(from a process scheduling viewpoint) to the normal match-maintenance
functions of the ICS.  I think Aaron is missing a point when he brings
up "the tricky problems."  He is talking about "verification problems,"
I assume due to his visions of people bringing up fake ratings
servers.  My suggestion is to have the ICS fork off a copy of itself
to perform ratings service.  You get concurrent processing, and no
questions about verification.

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: nick@uni-paderborn.de (Martin Koch)
Subject: Endgamedatabases on CD-ROM wanted 
Keywords: database endgame cdrom
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:46:51 GMT

Hi,

a while ago there were some postings about endgame databases from
K. Thompson on CD-ROM. Does anyone have the email adress of
K. Thomson? How much does this CD cost? Any Infos wanted.
Please send me an email, if possible.

---
Bye ;-)
       //\      Martin Koch ---  email to: nick@uni-paderborn.de
      //__\
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
	<SCHILLER.92Jul21164758@tira.uchicago.edu>
	<EePNR7C00VpJQb7FY7@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:37:56 GMT

To be included in a repertoire one has to have played an opening more than
once or twice. Can anyone provide documentation that Spassky and 
Korchnoi did indeed include the Colle in their repertoires in any
post-puberty stage of their career.

Yes, Kolty's book is good. He is honest enough to admit at the end that
there are easy ways for Black to obtain equality. Anything that does not
lose gets "endorsed" for tournament play.

Eric Schiller
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