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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:19:35 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1993Jan10.224752.10187@leland.Stanford.EDU> sinjyn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fred Sunghoon Chee) writes:
>
>Again I pose the question.
>Where did the Acolytes come from?  Didn't they "die" whith Magneto?
>I thought only Fabian COrtez escaped, the rest died with their leader.
>Did Cortez just reform the group?

That's the theory I went with which I why I'm glad that, besides
Carmella and Cargill (Frenzy), we haven't seen these characters
before.

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From: griff@uni-paderborn.de (Carsten Griwodz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 12 Jan 1993 07:31:17 GMT
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In article <wfIN62S00VozE3Xm4W@andrew.cmu.edu>, Eric Thomas Pronko <punisher+@CMU.EDU> writes:
|> ...
|> well, way back in an ish i don't remember (early 200's) the guy who
|> could alter densities sunk colossus into the ground, and kittie or rogue
|> went into the ground to get him because "he would suffocate."  then
|> again, continuity is not one of marvel's strong suits.
|> 
|>
You think about the issue just before Leland's (the density guy - sp?) death ?

Colossus wasn't in metal form any more when they went after him; Selene had destroyed
Rogue's gloves when she tried to pull the metal Colossus out of the ground, with
the obvious result of leaving him power- and consciousless but still sinking into
the ground.

Tschuess,
Carsten
From: jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:47:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I was not attempting to tell anyone what to do.  I was merely suggesting that
when the conversation gets so esoteric as to be largely a discussion of how
superstrong or invulnerable characters might shave, then maybe things are just
getting a little silly.  Or perhaps there should be a 
rec.arts.comics.powers.contradictions
or something like that.  But far be it from me to suggest that people need to
get a little more sun and a little less phosphorescent glare.  And you might
also not that I have been also participating in this (in my opinion) silly
discussion as well, because I too sometimes like to argue about silly things.
In moderation.

One final note.  Since, as you pointed out, my opinions are largely (perhaps
even wholly) my own, I dont think there is any need for you to completely
repost my message as a preface to yours, particularly if you dont refer
directly back to any of it whatsoever.  I dont like it when when I see that
done hither and thither all over the usenet, duplicating posts needlessly,
and I really dont like seeing it done to a post of mine.  

Another final note.  I would like to say that I really enjoy the xbooks too,
what there is of them to enjoy these days, and I was posting in the appropriate
group as well.  I was simply saying that it was my opinion that people shouldnt
get too caught up in such matters, and I was doing so in a civil and 
non-abusive way.  I will attempt to work on my grammar and spelling.  BTW, I'm
not sure about this, but I think its considered silly to critisize someone's 
grammar in a run-on sentence.

Brad

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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: A dumb follow-up... :-)
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:50:00 GMT

In article <C0CooK.F4z@ns1.nodak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes...
>Well, heck, Mr. Sinister hasn't even been *given* a past, or a reason for
>motivating his attacks, except for some cheap "he's interested in Cyclops"
>ploy.

	Nonono, I mean his powers. First, he was invulnerable to everything,
except Cyclop's optic blasts, back in Inferno. (Why he didn't put a layer of
ruby quartz into his costume, I'll never know.) In his next (?) appearance in
PAD's X-Factor, he was capable of deflecting a bullet easily. And, in his 
most recent appearance (the X-Cute-Me-Now Song), he gets shot... and becomes
a T-1000 Terminator. Retcon or bad writing? Does anyone have a definite
list of his powers (Marvel Handbook, maybe?)
	(Sorry, but Sinister is probably my favorite "bad guy" this side of
Master Darque... but that's a story for a different group).

	Joe Delisle

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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable's new look
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:54:57 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > Anyway, while I'm not a regular reader of X-Force (the taste of
 > burnt New Mutants does not carry well in my mouth), I am
 > reasonably certain that Liefeld, even if he was so inclined, has
 > no legal ground to sue Marvel over Cable. As John L. has pointed
 > out most venomously over in racm, Marvel and DC writers and
 > artists are "hired guns," creators who create things owned by the
 > company who hires them. Some well-established creators can get
 > special gratitudes, like Creator's Credits (check out the box in
 > front of each Excalibur... "Created by Chris Claremont and Alan
 > Davis"). I'm not aware of any such attribution in X-Force
 > (allusions between Liefeld's attempts to create and Destruction's
 > attempts to make art over in Sandman will be left to the native
 > humors of my audience).
 
Well, you are essentially correct.  And as far as I know, Rob Liefeld is
NOT presently trying to sue Marvel over the Cable issue.  But who knows
when his ego/pocketbook might get big enough to give it a crack?  He
probably in a better financial position to do it than Jack Kirby.  And
he DOES have a little bit of legal ground to stand on, in fact.  It is
now Marvel's policy to pay some tiny percentage to the creators of
characters, each time that character appears.  So, if Gerard Jones and
Jeff Johnson created Splice in an issue of WONDER MAN, and Splice shows
up in a different comic book in a crossover appearance, then Jones and
Johnson should be payed a little sum.  Marvel started doing this fairly
recently, I believe.  Rob may want to claim his pittance for all the
many appearances of Cable in other comics.
 
And even if nothing legal goes through, it still makes a stink, and
Marvel really needs more stink from Image like it needs a hole in the
head.  So what do they do?  They change the look of Cable.  They take
him out of X-FORCE and put him into a future storyline with a different
goal and motivations.  VOILA!  Cable as we see him in the upcoming
series has nothing whatsoever to do with Rob Liefeld.  End of story,
case closed.  "Sorry Rob -- we don't have any characters that look like
that."
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From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: X-Men & Doom Patrol
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:11:04 GMT

I just thought I'd mention this again, with the recent thread of the alledged
irrelevance of the post-UX#94 to pre-94 X-Men.

Compare the X-Men to Doom Patrol:
A group of misfit super-powered people (one of whom is labeled at some point as
a mutant), led by a man with great mental powers who is confined to a
wheelchair.  One of their first battles were with the Brotherhood of Evil.

The Doom Patrol first appeared in an issue of My Greatest Adventure, cover
dated one month before X-Men #1.  This is too close for coincidence, yet too
close for a copy.  There may have been some cross-pollination of ideas, but
since nobody's sued in 30 years, we can assume there was not any direct
plagiarism.

The Doom Patrol went through about 20 issues of My Greatest Adventure, which
was then retitled to Doom Patrol and then were REPRINTED in that title for a
number of months. (Hmm)

The New Doom Patrol came out some time later, originally in a couple-issue run
of Showcase, starting with issue... 94!

As David Letterman says, Hard... to Believe.

Joel
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From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX #298 proves that Scott Lobdell can write
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:15:51 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:
  (Stuff deleted)

>That being said, I *still* get the feeling that Scott and Bob haven't
>been doing all their homework (Nurse Sharon Friedlander helped look
>after Legion, not the New Mutants.) and his attempts at humour are

Minor correction... Tom Corsi and Sharon Frielander DID help look
after the New Mutants for awhile.  In NM #38, they're walking the
school grounds while Magneto talks to the White Queen about getting
the kids some help... they were walking zombies after being killed
and resurrected by the Beyonder.  Empath ambushed Corsi and Frielander
and they disappeared for awhile.  I think it was later that the
magickally transmuted pair were shuffled off to Muir Isle.  Their
first visit (NM #26-28) was merely exploratory... Moira was examining
them after their ordeal with Dani's Demon Bear...  (Okay, minor and
lengthy correction.  :) )

>still falling flat.  Nevertheless, his work is enjoyable now.  (It's
>like reading the LNH only with pictures. :) )  Consider, for instance,
>the Acolytes: it's interesting to see "evil mutants" with standard
>uniforms, like the X-Men themselves, all honouring Magneto's dream.
>I think this is a sign of respect for the character of Magneto on the
>part of Lobdell; certainly this is a good sign.

That, and the small speech by Storm about Magneto not attacking
children and opposing others such as the Acolytes (the Nazis).


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From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UXM #298
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:30:06 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <9JAN199323113744@udel.edu> jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>
>	(minor spoilers ahead)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>	Good God, it's actually a good issue of UXM! Character-wise, there's
>only one flaw (the infamous Gambit-the-firefighter scene). I like the new
>Acolytes -- wearing a standard uniform, no silly codenames (Kleinstock being
>the partial exception... but then agian, calling them the Klein boys doesn't
>have the same effect :-). The only bad thing about the issue is the fact that

   Klienstock could be their last name.
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: FAQ: X-Men Characters
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:53:47 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <03JAN93.23357955.0063@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:
 trivial remake
>Charlotte Jones: FA: X-Factor #51
>                 LA: UX #294
>                 Charlotte is romantically linked to Warren (Archangel).

    it may be noted that Charlotte entered the Ship of X-Factor while the
  other cops weren't (forgot issue), she may be a mutant (hopefully without
  a silly power).

							Jorge Delacruz
From: trombley-sarah@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU (a ghost in the machine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:08:51 -0500
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In article <wfIN62S00VozE3Xm4W@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Thomas Pronko <punisher+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 11-Jan-93 Re:
>Invulnerability and hair B. Austin Davis@netcom.c (2251)
>
>> Why doesnt Scott wear contacts?
>
>well, putting them in would be hell.
>
>
>> he doesnt need to breath i dont 
>> think.
>
>well, way back in an ish i don't remember (early 200's) the guy who
>could alter densities sunk colossus into the ground, and kittie or rogue
>went into the ground to get him because "he would suffocate."  then
>again, continuity is not one of marvel's strong suits.
>
>eric

In X-Men 150, Colossus is shown swimming around underwater with the other
X-Men of the time, thinking "It's a good thing I don't have to breathe
because with Kitty having snuck on board [the Blackbird, which crashed
in the water], we wouldn't have enough scuba equipment."  But when he hits
Magneto's power-neutralizer field, he turns human and nearly drowns.  
Kitty saves him with a little mouth-to-mouth. ;)
From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:55:52 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <92365.135737EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) writes:

  what about a Mutant named Melvin Weggie, can even Galactis defeat him.

						Jorge Delacruz
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:52:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.025439.10401@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>
>As for Cable and Stryfe being the same, read X-CUTIONER'S SONG.
>
Why bother? It was quite a masterpiece of giving us as little information as
possible. What did we really get? Yet more hints that Cable and Stryfe might
be the same/copies of each other (yet no convincing evidence of which is the
original - at least we now know they aren't from alternate timestreams), some
pretty obvious hints that Stryfe either is or thinks he is NCCS (but not big enough for Scott and Jean to work it out - their 'we'll never really know' comment
was possibly the biggest cop-outs of all time, the writers don't even have to
bother thinking about how knowing what they did to their son will affect them
because 'they'll never really know'.). We also didn't get to see Apocalypse
die (neither did any of the characters) so we *know* he'll be back, all we
know about Cable and Stryfe's disappearance is that they probably fell into
some sort of time-warp/hole/tunnel/plotdevice, so we can expect them back, and
even the Mr Sinister/genetic matrix subplot fizzled out to absolutely no
effect (except possibly foreshadowing the 'mutant plague' storyline).

And I had so much hope for this after the 1st 8 issues. Firstly we got 4
issues which dealt with the relationships between the X-teams, then we got
4 issues which told us more about Cable, Stryfe, Apocalypse and Sinister
and set up some possible relationships between them - and then we got 4
issues of people running around corridors, punching/shooting an assortment of
minor villains and angsting, ans a lot of coloured lights. And absolutely *no*
plot resolution of any kind, or any change in the characters whatsoever.
Pathetic. I presume Bob Harras is to blame for this piece of tripe. Well, 
it'll probably lose them my custom unless things improve fast - I've dropped
X-Men and X-Force, and would have dropped U X-Men if everyone here hadn't said
how good it was. Even X-Factor is living on borrowed time...

Sorry to be so harsh but there it is. There's enough quality books out
there to burn up my limited budget without buying a load of trash out of
some vague sentimental memories of how good it used to be.

Mike
From: mikecap@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cyclops' glasses -- an artistic look
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:43:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1ivri1$fj7@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>Since Cyclops' power is mostly "on" (unless he runs out of juice
>or has his power restrained), should side shots of his head while
>he is wearing his glasses show a solid beam of optic blast going
>from his eyes and hitting the glasses?
>
>Do his optic blasts always come out at the same angle from his
>eyes, no matter which way his eyes are pointed?
>
>-Jon Kung


Another interesting qeustion.  I think the answer lies in the fact that the
glasses may act as a filter for normal light that he sees.  It may be that 
since he can still see while he is firing the beams that as light pours into 
his eyes, his retina reflect whatever spectrum of energy the ruby quartz 
filters out.  I too would like an explanation of this, as Marvel tends to
just allow things to happen without explaining them.


Mike C.  (Zen)







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reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: It's Slander (Was: Re: Slanderous attacks by Dhenry (or is it libel?)
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:00:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173103.5172@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>>
>But, until recently, U X-Men has consistently been the worst X-read (well,
>ever since Liefeld got off X-Force). That must reflect on Lobdell's writing.
>Actually, Lobdell's been showing disturbing signs of adequacy recently. The
>first 2 of his 3 X-C S issues were actually rather readable, and the recent 
>issue was actually good enough to persuade me not to drop U X-Men (yet).
>still, he has a lot of ground to make up, and I wish he'd keep his grubby
>little hands off Excalibur...

Believe it or not, I enjoyed the issue of Excalibur by Lobdell and James Fry.
The story had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and the art was pretty 
decent.

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We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely...
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Invulnerability and hair
Date: 11 Jan 1993 08:09:05 GMT
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arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>jherico@netcom.com (B. Austin Davis) writes:
>>Why doesnt Scott wear contacts?
>
>For the same reason many people who need glasses for more ordinary reasons
>don't wear contacts.

Silly boys, it's even easier than that -- wouldn't someone with
red irises kind of bug you out?  Seriously, he probably can't
because someone might come up behind him and slap him on the
back, and THEN he'd be in the crapper!  Even more seriously, I
don't imagine that his optic beams come from just his pupil/iris
area.

>It's only his living tissue and things mostly in contact with it that change.
>The latter part covers clothing, hair, and feces in the digestive system.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My God, just what DOES Colossus eat?! :)
I don't think his clothing changes with him.

-Jon Kung, I guess Cyclops views the world through rose-colored glasses...
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Relationships.....
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:25:38 GMT

In article <C0MMxu.HCB@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
>1)	The Beast and Trish Tilby "grew apart" in that great era of dropped
>	subplots following the Claremont implosion. Ever since the teams
>	got reshuffled, they haven't seen much of each other. (Me, I'm
>	hoping for the return of punk Zelda).

You mean Vera. Zelda was Bobby's pseudo-girlfriend in the Village, and
unlike Vera I don't believe she's been seen since around X-Men #50.

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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1993Jan11.102734.29208@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes...
>In article <1993Jan11.033551.17397@leland.Stanford.EDU> sinjyn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Fred Sunghoon Chee) writes:
>Ah, but he was WOUNDED this last time... and, as everybody knows, being
>wounded makes all the difference in these types of things.

Tell that to Apopcalypse.

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