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From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: RE: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:49:03 GMT

In article <9575.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) writes:
|> -> >ignorant).  Honda's are EXPENSIVE, a top of the line CIVIC costs
|> -> >$16,000!!  That's ridiculous and they always advertise them for
|> -> $11,000. > Yeah, no power anything, no A/C, no radio, etc.  Top of
|> -> the line Accord >costs $20,000 loaded, Prelude costs $24,000 (Si 4ws
|> -> loaded), top of the >line Integra GS-R costs $22,000.  The prices of
|> -> Honda's are getting out >of hand...
|> ->
|> -> Are these U.S. prices or Canadian prices?  The price of a top-line
|> -> civic in canada is about 18000 Canadian = 15000 U.S., the price of an
|> -> Integra GS-R is 21000 Canadian = 17500 U.S., the price of a Prelude
|> -> Si 4ws is 24000 Canadian = 20000 U.S.
|> ->
|> -> Your prices seem awfully inflated;  and I've checked at many dealers
|> -> in several provinces over the past 6 months.
|> 
|>   These prices are all U.S. and they are not inflated.  Yeah, the actual
|> sticker price is lower, but after you add floor mats, the usual dealer
|> prep. (rustproof, teflon wax, etc.)  That's how much it costs.   These
|> prices are correct because I know someone who bought a 92' Prelude
|> Si 4ws with gold trim and almost all all of the accesories for $24,000
|> in Los Angeles. Another one of my friends paid $17,000 for a plain 92'
|> Accord EX without any accesories and before TT&L.  And as the price for
|> the Integra, I saw the price at the dealer and of course Integra's don't
|> come standard with A/C. so that costs another $1000.  That really
|> sucks!!

Actually, both the Integra GS and GSR come standard with Air, only the LS
does not (I just looked at them on Saturday).

I didn't know Japanese cars cost so much in the U.S., for $22,000 you can
get an Integra GSR in Canada.  A top of the line Accord (with all the options)
costs $18,000, and I haven't looked into the Prelude.  These are sticker
prices (Acura does not negotiate on price).

Considering the conversion on the dollar, maybe it's time for some cross
border shopping in the other direction.

Don
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a K-car (a nice reliant automobile),
If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a fur coat
  (but not a real fur coat, that's cruel),
If I had a million dollars, we wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner
  (but we would eat Kraft Dinner), of course we would, we'd just eat more. - BNL
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From: kent@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kent Richardson)
Subject: Trans. problem on 91 Lincoln TC
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:28:53 GMT

Just wondering if a problem my father had with his car is a common problem or
possibly even a recall. He has had some problems with the transmission not 
shifting properly. Upon pulling up to the gas pump (backed in) he put the 
car into park. The car continued in reverse as soon as the brake was released.
The door crushed into the post around the pumps and seems to have pushed a bit 
forward. The indicator was definitely in the 'PARK' position. This happened once
earlier in the week. Questions:

	1	Is this a known problem with the 91 Lincoln Town Car?
	
	2	If it is then was it enough of a problem that Lincoln will
		fix the transmission for free?

	3	If it is a known problem, could Lincoln be liable for fixing
		the door?

Please email answers or post.  Thanks in advance!!!!!!

kent@lightnin.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
From: stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Advice needed after poor (but expensive) body work
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:36:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

About 4 months ago, I was involved in an accident where an uninsured motorist
shot through a stop sign and hit my car (a 1988 Ford Nustang GT convetible) 
hard in the passenger door.

The car was towed to a body shop, where they told me that there was no real
structural damage, but a lot of work needed doing on the dorr and
surrounding area. The insurance adjuster agreed to their estimate of
about $8,000 in repairs, which were done over the next month.

Since then, while the car drives fine, I've noticed a lot of little
things wrong, (such as the color of the new door being wrong where you
can see it when you put the top back). In addition, when I just took it
in for a service, the guy who did the service told me that the work
had been poorly performed, and that while it looked OK from outside,
a lot was hidden under the car. He said that in his opinion this was a
car that had had a major accident, and would be hard to sell.
When I asked him to tell me how much I'd get for the car, he "took the 5th".

It's obviously rather late to try and get the acr totaled, but I was assured
by the body shop who did the work that the car would be worth as much after 
the repairs as it was before the accident. I'm not particularly keen to
end up thousands of dollars out of pocket.

What are my best options at this point?

Thanks for any suggestions

Richard Stanton
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Some questions looking for answers
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:08:20 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <17ucn0INN40t@smli.Eng.Sun.COM> lockwood@acidqueen.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Lockwood) writes:
>
>As long as the car isn't driven at the limit of adhesion, radials probably
>are a Good Thing.  At the limits of adhesion, though, once a radial starts
>to lose traction, the drop off rate is fairly steep.  Bias ply tires, 
>on the other hand, while having a lower upper adhesive limit, fall off
>more slowly.  A 4 wheel drift ought to be easier to control on bias
>ply tires.....should you have some reason to want to maintain one.
>
>
    This USED to be true, and still is to a certain amount at NASCAR
    speeds, but for the street, it's pretty outdated advice.  Even
    the Michelin's (which started the whole thing about abrupt
    breakaway) have detuned themselves enough to give better
    warning.

>From the context of most of the comments, I assume that the car being 
>discussed is old enough to have drum brakes.  
>
>Who (and I mean with all specifics like name and phone number or address)
>has metallic linings for drum brakes these days??  I would like to find
>a source.
>
   Is Velvet-touch still around?     
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From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Subject: Re: Review: Eagle Vision (Chrysler LH cars)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:08:30 GMT


Wow!

Canadians heap praise on Canadian built pile of garbage!

Miracle of miracles.

Chrysler LH series.  American design, compounded by Former
British Workmanship from Socialist Canada.

From the two examples I've seen, (The Eagle Vision LOOKED
good with only a slight misalignment of the hood and I had to
search for that, the Dodge was as bad or worse than any
US built car I'd examined lately),  quality control is
spotty.....to say the best.

Peddle your Chrysler stock quick!

Jeff
Who wants to see a real comparison test between the -LH
series and the Pontiac Bonneville since they have the
same sticker prices.
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From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: I HATE MY DODGE
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:54:02 GMT


Poor soul writes:
>...brakes pulse violently...
>[...tale of multiple repairs and idiot Chrysler rep deleted...]

	Your first mistake was not to complain at 12000 miles.  If you had
complained, and if the situation had remained as it has to date, you may have
been eligible for help under various lemon laws.

	Now, having driven and worked on an '84 Daytona Turbo, here's what
I can offer:  have a look at those front wheel bearings, at the CV joints, and
at the U-joint.  Any one of these can elicit brake pulsing when they die.  If
you notice vibrations/sounds when turning, that's another big hint.  You can
save a great deal of money by inspecting the stuff yourself (not really that
hard):

	1) Jack the car up so the front wheels are off the ground.  Try to
	   shake them.  If they feel wobbly, then the bearings are either gone
	   or on their way out.  About $150 parts and labor (per side!) to
	   have them replaced with new parts.

	2) Inspect the CV joint boots.  If you find tears, then the joints
	   themselves are suspect.

	3) U-joint:  anyone know how to tell if it's bad without disassembling
	   the driveline?

Good luck,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: asdch@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:21:32 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

In article <1992Aug21.160606.19022@aa.cad.slb.com>, wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.160444.4189@microplex.com> hsk@microplex.com (Harjeet Kalsi) writes:
>>
>>DISCLAIMER: DIESELS - you either love them or hate them.
>>
>>I completely agree (from experience with my Mercedes diesel) with those 
>>who have said that diesels as reliable and economical.  They simply 
>>don't die.  Period.
>>
>>For those who think that they're slow, rough, and smoke, these are things 
>>of the *past*.  Just try a new Mercedes diesel and the gas model and see if 
>>you can tell the difference!  
>>
>>When the next generation Golf/Jetta make their debut in a few months here they
>>will have a new (finally!) diesel/turbodiesel 1.9 liter engine, that pumps out
>>as much horsepower and a lot more torque than there gas engines of a just a 
>>few years ago.  Moreover, VW claims, like Mercedes, that this new "ECO diesel"
>>produces virtualy no visible particulate emissions (no more smoking!).  
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>These new models are currently being sold in Europe where they are being
>>marketed as "environmentally friendly" cars. 
>>
>>As for those who think "who buys diesels anyway", well, in Europe diesel 
>>car sales have been *increasing* consistently every year for over a decade.  
>>1992 is projected to be another "record" year.  
>>
>>With new emission standards taking effect this year in Britain, the diesel 
>>is being touted as the "green" engine because its emissions are *less* than 
>>those of gas engines.  The government is offering incentives to buyers that
>>go diesel.  You can get diesels in Europe in every thing from Fiats to BMWs.
>>
>>Anyway, I know I've strayed somewhat from the subject, but I happen to be
>>one of those people that LOVES diesels.  Can't see myself ever buying a 
>>gas model when a diesel is available.   
>>
>>If I couldn't afford a Mercedes diesel, the new Golf/Jetta diesels would
>>be the *only* cars on my list.
>>
>>BTW, there is a fabulous British monthly magazine called "Diesel Car".  
>>For those interested, just email me for the address.
> 
> 
> This trash doesn't belong in rec.autos.sport!
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From: pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anything new about '93 Nissan Pathfinder?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:15:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:18:29 GMT

Subject: Anything new about '93 Nissan Pathfinder?
From: Pete Helme, pvh@apple.com
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:49:22 GMT
In article <1992Aug26.154922.11539@gallant.apple.com> Pete Helme,
pvh@apple.com writes:
>

(nice first post there eh?)

I thought I read last spring that the Nissan Pathfinder might be finally
updated in a major way for '93, but I haven't heard anything like that
recently.  Has anyone come across any news on this?

(If all they do is give it a rather UGLY GRILL like they did the '93
trucks, I'm going to be really disappointed and have to look at replacing
my '88 Pathfinder with  <gasp> another make. ;) )
-------------------------------
Pete Helme
Apple Computer, Inc.
pvh@apple.com
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From: ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso)
Subject: Re: US Audi and Procon Ten safety features ?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 00:20:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.190029.24661@csus.edu>, aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy) writes:
|> Just curious if the new Audi in the US has the Procon Ten safety
|> features they have in Europe ?  Procon Ten is, according to their
|> ad in CAR magazine in England, is designed to pull the engine out
|> of passenger compartment while tightening the seatbelts in the 
|> event of accident. The only thing they mention in their US ads is 
|> the seatbelt tensioning plus the usual airbags, ABS, etc.

I have a 1991 Audi 200 and it has the Procon Ten system (according to
the manual).

|> 
|> If they don't have it in the US, why ?  Afraid to get bad publicity
|> when 60 minutes discover that this system won't work against
|> 18 wheelers :)
|> 

No, I guess they're problem will be with unintended deceleration caused
by this system.  No matter how hard you step on the gas pedal, the
car will come to a complete stop :)

-- 
Ramiro Reinoso, 444 Hoes Lane, Office RRC-1E-226. Piscataway, NJ 08854
(PHONE) (908) 699-5021  
(INTERNET) ramiro@ctt.bellcore.com
(UUCP)  ...!bellcore!ctt!ramiro
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From: amber@crhc.uiuc.edu (Amber Roy Chowdhury)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Buying an old VW Rabbit
Date: 29 Aug 1992 12:42:46 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.crhc.uiuc.edu

Hi World,

I am thinking of buying an 81 VW Rabbit (2D H'back). The particulars are 56K miles,
5-speed, fuel-injected gasoline engine, AM/FM stereo, AC. The buyer's check revealed that
it needs a new muffler, rear brakes and 1 CV joint. The car drives well -
good pickup and smooth transmission. The clutch is tight - does not slip
but engages the moment you step on it. In the mechanic's opinion this can
probably be adjusted but I may need a new clutch later on. The body is good
except for a rust patch the size of a couple of quarters next to the driver's
side door and some scratches on the paintwork.
The engine is good and has low miles on it.

I can get the car for $1100 but have a couple of days to decide. Any opinions
on old rabbits would be most welcome, given the particulars of this specific
car. Is $1100 a fair price or is it too much? (The NADA retail value is only
$1050 and the trade in is only $250 but this seems like a car that will last
once I fix it up).

Please email or post suggestions within the next couple of days since that's how
long I have to decide.

Amber
amber@crhc.uiuc.edu

-- 
	Amber Roy Chowdhury           	|  	"I believe that a college should
	5-114 CSL, Univ. of Illinois    |	 be concerned with ideas ... not
	Urbana IL 61801			|	 just your ideas, or my ideas... 
	(217)-244-7168			|        but all ideas" - James Thurber
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From: barb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (barbara.iskowitz)
Subject: 1990 AUDI 80 FOR SALE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:05:55 GMT
Keywords: 5 Speed, Sun roof


POSTING FOR A FRIEND

FOR SALE - 1990 AUDI 80
COLOR RED  5 speed, all power options
Sun roof   47,000 miles
AM/FM Cassette    
Excellent condition	$12,500
Car is located in Woodstock NY.

914-338-2247
_______________________________________________________________________
-- 
      /|			 Barbara Iskowitz
  \'o.O'		   	 AT&T Bell Labs - 200 Laurel Ave. 1E-333
  =(___)=			 Middletown, NJ 07748		
     U	JAZZ THE CAT!	   	 (908) 957-2078 email = barb1@mtuxo.att.com
From: geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: email address of Talon/Eclipse/Laser list administrator
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:01:34 GMT
Organization: Interrupt Technology Corporation, Manhattan Beach, CA

In article <1992Aug27.030247.14673@diginst.com> todd@diginst.com (Todd
Day) writes:

> 	1) Send email to diginst!todd@radius.com.  Include a

This address tickles the well-known uucp-versus-domain addressing
problem caused by conflicting left and right precedence.  In other
words, should a uucp site parse this as "(diginst!todd)@radius.com,
which works out to "radius.com!diginst!todd" in uucp format, or is it
intended to mean "diginst!(todd@radius.com)" which translates as
"diginst!radius.com!todd"?

A quick perusal of the Path: header of Todd's article shows that the
first interpretation is correct.  If your site supports uucp-style
domain addressing, you should send your mail to "...!radius.com!diginst!todd,"
while Internet-only sites should probably send to "diginst%todd@radius.com"
(but I have no way to verify that the second form is correct, since
I'm a uucp site and not on the Internet).
-- 
	Geoff Kuenning   geoff@ITcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
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Newsgroups: rec.autos


Based on the limited data which you posted, I would suggest you plead
NOT guilty to reckless driving, and no contest to speeding.

Reasons are as follows - it is highly unlikely that you can get the speeding
ticket thrown out.  I've been to traffic court and witnessed a number of
speeding cases.  Your case seems highly unlikely to win the SPEEDING
case.

However, reckless driving is totally different.  The cop has to establish
that you were being a menace.  I suggest you politely cross-examine the
cop and point out the following to the judge.

1) I did not change lanes - reckless speeders often do, disrupting traffic.
Ask the cop if he ever saw you change lanes.

2) Traffic was light - Ask cop how heavy he thought traffic was.

3) Point out that weather was fine - no rain, snow etc.  Excellent visibility.

4) I never drink - hopefully you don't.

5) My tyres are in great shape - Point out that your tyres even after 2 months
and a few thousand miles retain their thread.

6) Road geography. No curves & Downhill.  Point out that going downhill
might have caused a small acceleration.

7) Safe by nature.  You were wearing seat belts, no passengers in car/or they
were wearing seat belts too.  No tickets in the recent past.

Sum up and establish that given each of the 7 criteria above, there is no
reason based even on cop's testimony to believe that driving was reckless.
Say so.  Concede that downhill stretch MIGHT have caused a temporary speeding -
don't accept guilt, merely speculate that it could have been possible and
that seeing the cop behind you were distracted and failed to see your speed.

All this would possibly mean that you would be found guilty for speeding, which
I believe you would anyway, but get off the more serious reckless driving
charge.

Good luck

Sivaram
(415) 948-3398
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From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: LASAR DETECTOR..
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> >  If you're city isn't on the list then it may not be using Stalker
-> or >Laser.   All the states with Stalker and not listing the
-> city/county >where it's used in means that the state
-> >doesn..zp.O....].'gN...'1.O}"..y.N.
-> >.^.Z.c
->
-> The state doesn't what?  What happened?  Your're break'n up!

   What I meant to say before my line got cut off was that if your state
has Stalker listed, but with no city or county, it means that the state
doesn't release the locations where Stalker is used to the public.



Erich Lim
                                                                                                        
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Corvair (was Re: Polish VW Joke)
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.201215.17314@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
> 
> In article <BtuwJx.IpA.2@cs.cmu.edu>, michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak) writes:
> |> In article <1992Aug28.231329.2437299@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
> |> >A man was sentenced to 4 years in Poland because he was caught
> |> >smuggling an engine in the rear trunk of his VW Bug.
> |> >
> |> >jle
> |> 
> |> 
> |> Obviously, this joke is funny only to the ignorant Americans, who never heard
> |> of any other cars with the engine in the rear. If you care to know,
> |> the most popular car in Poland (Polish made Fiat 126) has an engine in the
> |> rear. Also some models of Chech Skodas, Yugoslav Zastavas 750 and Soviet
> |> Zaporozhets all had engines in the rear.
> 
> |> Michal
> 
> Americans might have more cars with rear engines, but the most notable
> American car with a rear engine, the Chevrolet Corvair, got a bit of
> bad press from some guy named Ralph. True, GM did not adequately test
> the rear suspension design, with some disastrous results, for which they
> should have taken substantial heat. But even after they fixed it, Ralphie 
> got on their case, and they responded very badly.
> 
> It's too bad, really. If it had survived in name and concept, like the
> Corvette, the Corvair could be a very intriguing car today.
> 
> -BK
	Yeah maybe it is too bad-the only thing close to an air-cooled six 
cylinder engine today is a Porsche (I forget which number, I think it's the 911)
and, figuring inflation in, a corvair would still cost less, and a bug even 
lesser than that (although it is only a four cylinder.)

	There was some buzz about air-cooled engines generating to much 
pollution, but they still sell diesel engines.


		Kyle
From: jxt@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jawahar Tembulkar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Any opinions on Mercedes 300TD '78-'82 vintage ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:57:07 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


The title line says most of what I would like to get some input from
Mercedes officionados.  I am currently looking at one which is in
very very good shape, except that it ( '79 vintage ) has over 200K
miles.  Is this way too much mileage to take a chance with ?  One
would think that 140K or so would be about average for a car of this
vintage, right ?

Would appreciate all input.


Jawa


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From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Advice on used car needed
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:20:38 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Hi,

A friend is looking for a car under $5k.  She's a college student,
so high reliability, low maintenance is a must.

Here are a few ads we've come across from co-workers.  Since opinions
abound on this board, I look forward to hearing yours!  If you have
suggestions for other cars to look for, please let me know.

Car 1: 85 celica, auto, air, sun roof, power package, $3800
Car 2: 89 subaru justy, 43k miles, $3500
Car 3: 86 200sx xe, 89k miles, $4k
Car 4: 89 geo metro, auto, air, 50k miles, $4500

--Neil
-- 
Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com

Seen on my last trip on United: "If you are seated in an exit row 
and can not (sic) read this card... please notify a crew member."
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From: cfj@ssd.intel.com (Charlie Johnson)
Subject: WANTED: Rear visor for '87 MR2 
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: or
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:37:06 GMT


I'm looking for what is called the rear visor (The plastic visor on the
outside of the rear window which says Toyota.) for an '87 MR2.  If anyone knows
of anyone parting out any wreaked MR2s, I'd appreciate knowing about it.

Thanks!
-- 
Charles Johnson
Intel Corporation
Supercomputer Systems Division
MS CO1-01
15201 NW Greenbrier Pkwy
Beaverton, OR  97006           phone: (503)629-7605  email: cfj@ssd.intel.com
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