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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: SWC Preview for Games on 10/3
Summary: How many is too many mullet-with-cheese-sauce bong hits?
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:44:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.035738.25564@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>Unfortunately, SMU
>suspended 18 players this week, including a few starters (most notably
>Kevin Shepherd, the RB who played well agianst TCU) for selling their
>old books (paid for out of their scholarships) back to the bookstores
>and keeping the money.

Is there an NCAA rule against this?  And why should books bought by an
athletic scholarship be treated differently than those bought by a
college loan (like the federal and state guaranteed loans I took out
just a short, uh, 12 years ago)?  [sarcastic remark about the NCAA
deleted]

...

>(If SMU _really_ wants to win, Rossley should castrate a _bear_
>before the game. If that doesn't fire up his players, nothing will.)

What happened to Forrest Gregg, and where was I when it happened?

...

>OKLAHOMA STATE at TCU
>---------------------
>
>TCU is coming off of 2 rather embarrasing losses and a tie. OSU is
>2-1 and feeling pretty good after that 0-10-1 season last year (at
>least a graduate of OSU named Goober is). TCU used a blitzing defense
>against SMU that worked for a while, but they failed to adapt when SMU
>went to shorter/quicker routes. They have bigger problems on offense,
>where Leon Clay, Curtis Modkins, Derek Cullors, and the talented
>receiving corps are not playing anywhere NEAR their potential... or
>even the level they reached last year. OSU is a running team so the
>game will probably depend on if TCU can stop the run, and _finally_
>get Leon Clay untracked. Goober picks the Aggies, but Jay is going
>for the upset, refusing to believe that TCU will lose yet again to
>a less talented team.
>
>Predictions: Goober Okie State 27, TCU 14  (Teresa Barley Merklin assured me
>                                            that the Aggies win)
>             Jay    TCU 24, OSU 21

Teresa is right as usual, and Jay must have done too many mullet-with-
cheese-sauce bong hits if he believes that TCU has more talent than OK
State.  Goober's pick looks good to me.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Huskies & Hurricanes
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 01:31:25 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct4.045611.26510@u.washington.edu> wessir@stein.u.washington.edu (Wesley Aldridge) writes:
>For the first time this year we got to see a doubleheader including the
>top three teams (in someone else's opinion) show how they win games even
>though they can muster little offense.  Last year the huskies had an
>incredible offense that really had little trouble with almost any defense.
>Last year, I expected every game to be a high scoring affair
>with the huskies on top.  It's easy to win games when your offense is going
>to score.  That was the difference between Miami and Washington last year
>and why Washington was the best team last year and deserved to share the
>national championship with no other team.  This year it looks like the NFL
>has taken away part of the huskies offense and reduced them to winning the
>way the other defending champions win games, by a strong defense and good
>special teams play and of course... LUCK.
>It may be that Washington will miss the national championship this year
>even if they win all their games based on the voting of last year.  Clearly
>they were the best team in the country last year and had to share the title
>because of biased voting.  What will happen this year when they are not
>as convincing in their victories?
>
>"It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing milk-bone underwear", Norm.
 	 
	Unfortunately, your concerns are very valid.  The Huskies will not
get sympathy from the voters based on today's performance.  However, I 
must say that no one looked good today with the exception of Michigan.  
Of course, they are playing a battered Iowa team.  The includes Miami-
FSU.  The game was quite sloppy in my opinion.  

	I don't know if this offers any relief to the Husky fans.  UW-USC 
games have traditionally been close with the exception of 1990 game where
the Huskies won 35-0.  There will be better days.  Next week it is 
California.  I expect the offense to finally get their acts together.
Don James is a good coach and I think he will correct the problem pretty
soon.  (Will he fire his son in law, the offensive coordinator??? Who knows?)
I am sure the offense will receive a lot of heat from the media for not 
playing well.  

	I still think Mark Brunell is the man who will rescue the Huskies 
from their demise.  And they should use Napolean Kaufman extensively.  Let
the kid run wide and he will break it for the big one!  

	There will be better days.  I am sure the offensive feel very badly 
now.  I guess this feeling is worse than losing a game.  Next week is 
California.  I hope they play well.

	Huskies defense 17 - Huskies Offense 0

- Just my opinion

- May your favorite team win next week

- Chung Yang 
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--20 Sep
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:28:50 GMT

In article <25SEP199219323407@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>The bottom ten:
>
>98 Arkansas (1-2)	0.4
>99 Maryland (0-3)	0.4
>100 New Mexico (1-2)	0.3
>101 Utah St (0-3)	0.3
>102 Northwestern (0-3)	0.3
>103 Colorado St (0-3)	0.2
     ^^^^^^^^^^^		Way to geaux, Rams!  CSU 17, LSU 14

>104 Kent (0-3)		0.2	Crummy Game of the Wk:	90 Eastern Mich
>105 South Carolina (0-3)0.2				vs
>106 Pacific (0-3)	0.2				104 Kent
>107 Arkansas St (0-3)	-0.1
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
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Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Purdue-Notre Dame prediction
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:53:26 CDT

In article <BvCr8L.Az@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rjm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ryan Mitchell) writes:
>
>I can honestly say I've never seen and never expected to see
>such complete trash from any Usenet poster--I thought they all
>had an ounce of sense on their heads.  I feel sorry for the rest
>of the Notre Dame students who have this bozo representing their
>school and completely ruining any sort of reputation ND might
>have for intelligence and/or integrity.  I don't know if Mr.
>Buttler has a fear of Purdue, a disappointment that he did not
>attend Purdue, or was simply dropped on his head as a child, but
>his sensless, idiotic postings does not demonstrate any sort of
>logic or reasoning whatsoever.

I think that Mr. Buttler is actually doing a covert operation for the
Goober School of the Clueless.  This is making more and more sense to me,
as he is insulting Purdue and the Boilerweenies badly, and is making Notre
Dame look stupid at the same time.  It looks like Chapin will have to have
the Boilerweenies make a countermove...
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sorry, Gophers!
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:46:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

A few days ago, I posted a table of Big 8 (and Minnesota) Top Twenty 
appearances according to the AP poll.  Two folks have asked questions
about the data in the table, because it appears to be incorrect.

On rechecking, I've found two mistakes in the table.  The first one is
in the header, but it is the cause of the questions.  I divided the 53-year
span (1936-1988 inclusive) into two halves; the data was correctly split
at the 1961/1962 halfway point, but the table was incorrectly labeled with
1951/1952 as that point.  (This caused two people to ask questions about
the 1960 season, which according to the header should have counted in the
second half, but really was counted in the first half.)

David Mathias asked:
] Didn't Missouri win a National Championship around '60 or '61
] when Dan Divine was coaching there?

Not according to the polls.  Missouri won the Big 8 in 1960, but a big
23-7 loss to Kansas in their last game of the (regular) season dropped
them to #5.  According to my reference, Kansas later was forced to
forefeit the win (it doesn't explain why), but that #5 ranking is
Missouri's standing in the final A.P. poll of the season.

(That is the one Top Five appearance for Missouri in the "first half"
statistics.)

Maynard Brandt asked (about zero "Top Five" counts for Minnesota 19"5"2-1988):
] Don't know about Missouri, but Minnesota won the National Championship
] in 1960 under Murray Warmath.

This is correct.  That National Championship is properly counted in the
first half.  (The incorrect labels made it appear as if it should have
been in the second half.)

A corrected version of the table (the second error was a #13 appearance by
Colorado was misread as #18 and not counted in the proper column) appears
below.

	   1936 to 1961 (26 years)	    1962 to 1988 (27 years)

Team	Top5  6-10  11-15 16-20 Pts-1	 Top5  6-10  11-15 16-20 Pts-2	Total
======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
Oklahoma 11	1     2     2	  53	  13	 4     2     3	   73	 126
Nebraska  -	2     1     2	  10	   7	12     5     -	   74	  84
Missouri  1	2     1     2	  14	   -	 3     2     4	   17	  31
Colorado  -	1     -     2	   5	   1	 -     1     5	   11	  16
Okl. St.  -	-     -     1	   1	   -	 1     3     -	    9	  10
Kansas	  -	-     2     -	   4	   -	 1     -     -	    3	   7
Iowa St.  -	-     -     -	   0	   -	 -     -     1	    1	   1
Kan. St.  -	-     -     -	   0	   -	 -     -     -	    0	   0
======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
Minn.	  5	3     1     2	  33	   -	 1     1     -	    5	  38
======= ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	 ====  ====  ===== ===== =====	=====
--
Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 9-28-92
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:09:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

C31801AG@WUVMD (Bapi Gupta) writes:
>
>By the way, how come no one ever flames my ratings (except Njan, who is
>getting boring to counterflame)?
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Gupta Power Ratings for college football                   September 28, 1992
>
>     Team Name                    Points    Team  W-L-T      Opponents W-L-T
>
>  1. Washington                   325.32   3  0  0  1.000    6   1   0  0.857
>  7. U.C.L.A.                     276.53   3  0  0  1.000    3   3   1  0.500
> 16. Southern California          257.22   1  0  1  0.750    3   1   0  0.750
> 17. California                   253.06   2  1  0  0.667    5   3   0  0.625
> 20. Stanford                     246.08   3  1  0  0.750    7   4   0  0.636
> 24. Washington State             237.66   3  0  0  1.000    3   3   1  0.500
> 45. Oregon                       202.62   2  2  0  0.500    8   2   0  0.800
> 49. Arizona                      197.74   1  2  1  0.375    6   4   0  0.600
> 65. Arizona State                180.44   1  2  0  0.333    5   3   0  0.625
> 87. Oregon State                 151.11   1  2  1  0.375    6   5   0  0.545

Why Bapi, that would be because you clearly know what you are talking about.
Six Pac Ten teams in the top 25!  Personally, I think you have Oregon
overrated a bit, and Arizona State underrated a bit, but this isn't bad at
all after 3-4 games on which to base your rankings. 

I suppose one reason that you have the Pac Ten rated so high is their
success against the competition from outside the conference (they are
17-7-1, with six games left to play), and the fact that their competition
has also won most of their games--all of the Opponents W-L-T that you list
are .500 or over (of course, this doesn't include that 17-7-1 mark that
the Pac Ten posted on them).

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama vs La. Tech
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:10:02 GMT
 <1992Sep29.144333.5968@b23a.b23a.ingr.com>
 <1992Sep29.171612.29246@b11.b11.ingr.com>
 <1992Sep29.194054.5063@b11.b11.ingr.com>
 <1992Sep30.211509.1832@b11.b11.ingr.com>
Organization: Penn State University

I suppose a lot of the offensive problems stem from Stallings'
basic offensive strategy, which can be summarized as follows:

1.  Take no chances.
2.  Let the defense put us in a position to score.
3.  Don't let the offense put the opposing team in a position to score.

So far, so good.  There are a couple of basic problems here:

Relying on the defense to do it all is perhaps unrealistic.  Granted,
Bama's defense is pretty damn scary, but they aren't perfect.  Eventually,
they'll get burned.

This places the offense in a very difficult position.  They have to
move out of their plodding style of offense and be more aggressive in
order to catch up; however, lack of game experience in making such
plays instills a certain lack of confidence that is hard to overcome.
I offer as evidence last year's Bama-Florida game.  Once Florida got
up by a couple of scores, Bama started to try things thay they were
not comfortable with, and a bad situation got even worse.
Bama has never been a particularly good come from behind team (with
the exception of the Ole Miss game a few years ago, of course).
The coaching staff should do their best to insure that Bama can score
effectively and consistently.



This year's early schedule gave Bama a wonderful opportunity to fine
tune the offense, particularly the passing game, which has been in
need of consistency for some time.  Unfortunately they did not take
full advantage of that opportunity.

I certianly hope we don't pay the price for that in Knoxville.

Jim Thomas
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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: Division 3 Game of the Year
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:51:04 GMT

In article <QemxRCy00WBMQ_PoFj@andrew.cmu.edu> jg4r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Matthew Grusky) writes:
>
>    The winner of Saturday's matchup between Carnegie Mellon University
>(Pittsburgh) and Allegheny College (Meadville, Pa) could be a good
>indicator of who will win this year's Division 3 national championship. 
>But who cares... 

Isn't this the same CMU that hasn't won yet this year????
Do they still give you guys computer disks free if you go to the games
there???
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Best marching band: Southern Illinois (not UW )
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:33:51 GMT

In article <BvCtor.8LA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
>tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau) writes:
>>The Wisconsin band can get any crowed riled up... if you don't know
>>what 5th Quarter is, then you cannot have claimed to have seen the
>>Wisconsin band... they are NOT like other Big10 bands.
>
>So what is that comment supposed to mean?  Whate ARE other Big 10 band like,
>anyway???  Just curious...

	I already told everyone - they're all basically the same...

	Oh, they all have their own little traditional quirk, like
	the 5th Quarter, the "Dotting of the 'i'", the Chief, the
	"World's Largest Drum", etc., but when they're playing the routine
	halftime show, there isn't much difference.  I should know.
	I've seen them all at one time or another the past 21 years...

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| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
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From: UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu (The Pseudo Edge)
Subject: Mark Clayton
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:34:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

 Will he be activated for this weekend's game?
I need to know, because I would like to start him
this week.
 
Thanx,
 
Wayne
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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Congrats to Wisconsin
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 00:35:37 GMT

Hats off to Wisconsin.  I hate to say it, but I was telling all my friends
and family that OSU would have a rough game against Wisconsin.  Nobody 
believed me.  I told everyone Purdue would have a hard time against
N'Western.  Nobody believed me.  Ah well.  I pick Wisconsin to finish 4th
or 5th in the Big 10, and to attend a bowl game.  Michigan will run away
with the title once again, crushing every opponent.  OSU has a very good
team, I still believe, they just need to play their best.  I can't comment
too much on the game today, b/c my roomate wanted to watch FSU-Miami.  
I will say that OSU should still finish 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.  They will
be 2nd if they beat everyone but that team up north.  I never believed
that the Big Ten was a a weak conference until this year..
How pathetic.
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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Aggie Riot (was Re: Best marching band)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:27:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In <BvAz0o.H4J@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder) writes:

>|> 
>There was that (maybe), and the fire hydrant, and of course the time they
>formed up in A&M's traditional aTm logo and then added an "e" to either end...
>Back in the good old days (before the Mob shows started to get censored (sigh)),
>the Mob had some fun with the Aggies.  But now, Rice won't even let our ROTC's
>do their "faggie" act from the field.

This MOB sounds like a great band!


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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Ohio State fans have a lot of excuses
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:27:43 CDT

This is not a flame; it is an observation.  So please, nobody take extreme
umbrage at this.  :^)

I have seen more excuses/analysis over TOSU's loss to Wisconsin than I've
seen for about any other game.  Why?  It seems to me the TOSU fans on the
net are very analytical when it comes to football, and they always have
some sort of an excuse for bad play.

How about this:  "Ohio State sucked last week".  Short, concise, and
accurate...

-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: ds4@soc15.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:11:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.5811

In article <1992Oct04.175738.6048@CS.ORST.EDU>, paasch@engr.cs.orst.edu (Bob Paasch) writes:
|> Just one persons opinion: I don't feel Miami should be voted #1 based on
|> the results of this game.  People were saying last week that Miami
|> didn't win the AZ game as much as Arizona's kicker lost it, but I had
|> to agree that holding them to a 50 yard field goal made a lot of difference.
|> But this week we have Miami averting a tie when the FSU kicker fails with
|> a 37 yarder.  A decent kicker should make this about 75% of the time.
|> Given that Washingtons victory over U$C was never _seriously_ in doubt,
|> I say Washington is still #1.  I'd guess the AP poll will give ABC(?) a
|> #2 vs #3 matchup next week with Miami and Penn State.

For one, USC is not an FSU.

Two, the Miami - FSU game should not have come down to a field goal.  The all ACC
officiating crew called a very one sided game in FSU's favor.  Even from the
beginning kick-off I could of sworn that an FSU player clipped a Miami defender
which resulted in the touchdown return.  The foul was not called.  After that, I
began taping the game.  There were many calls such as the one above which had a
big impact on the game in FSU's favor.  For instance, the FSU backs were
pass interfering, and sometimes even decked the Miami receivers.  FSU was not
penalized once for this.  Another time the Miami punter was decked and no call,
however when the FSU punter had his standing foot (not leg) touched, a flag
was thrown.  The biggest call, which was more of a innocent mistake on the part
of the ref, was the call on the safety/touchdown.  As the announcers pointed
out, if the offense makes an illegal forward pass in the inzone, the other team
has the option of accepting the penalty, or declining it, and taking the result
of the forward pass which would mean a touchdown for the Canes.  The canes were
not given a choice. 

-ds4

P.S. - Remember that hit that a Miami LB, which I think was Barrow, gave
Tamirick(or however you spell that name?!?!?) the king of all hits, which
resulted in him dropping the ball and an incomplete pass was called.....that
was a fumble.  Another bad call.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: joconnor@evax12.eng.fsu.edu (JAMES P O)
Subject: Hey it worked! (wuck fashington thread)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: joconnor@evax12.eng.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution:  usa
Date: 30 SEP 92 15:02:59    

     When I posted that Wuck Fashington thing, I was tryin' to get 
some good anger filled followups. I feel people are more honest when 
they get angry! I don't have anything to gripe with west coast or 
midwest teams. Football is only a GAME! Gives fans somethin to do 
with 60+ thousands (fsu's excuse for a stadium) others fans after a 
long 5 day work week! So in other words: Go Huskies,Bruins,Buckeyes,
Wildcats( I wish they had won, damn), Canes, and last but most 
          >>---G-O--N-O-L-E-S---->   

At least Americans have somethin' to cheer about in this warfilled,
problems-o-plenty, greenhouse we call Earth!



--->->->--------------G-O------N-O-L-E-S---------------------------------->
James O'Connor                          FSU-vs-MIAMI
JOCONNOR@evax.eng.fsu.edu               Oct 3,1992   12:00pm
"  ... I don't need this shit!"         Orange Bowl, Miami
              -kinison