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From: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM (Peter Taylor - Sun Toronto)
Newsgroups: rec.games.trivia
Subject: Re: Largest cities by area
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:07:25 GMT
Reply-To: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


dant@techbook.com (Dan Tilque) writes:
> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
> >Daniel Blum (blum@news.ils.nwu.edu) writes:
> >>I prefer not to discuss suburbs,
> >>etc., since they're impossible to define consistently.
> >
> >And so are cities. Some places are divided into a number of
> >small cities and boroughs like London. Others takes the whole 
> >and a lot of wasteland around it. You call that consistent?
> 
> And indeed, Jacksonville and Juneau have expanded to take in rural
> areas.  Jacksonville more or less merged with its county and someone
> has already described what Juneau did.  Virginia Beach, Virginia also
> merged with its county.  Another case like this, although I don't know
> the exact details, is Toronto.  Any Ontarions want to fill us in?
> 

There exists a "City of Toronto" within a Metro Toronto, which is a 
group of cities (Etobicoke, North York, Scarborough, York) and the 
Borough of East York (which I'll call a city for convenience).  The 
individual cities are separate municipalities but some of their
councillors are on a Metro Council that deals with issues that they
have agreed to share, eg transit, emergency services.  

I don't know where the individual cities or Metro rank in size, except
that Metro Toronto is the largest "city" in Canada at about 2.5 - 2.6 
million people.  Metro does not even come close to encompassing all of
the suburbs of Toronto.......one would have to include 3 neighbouring 
"regions" (counties) in order to do so.  

						Cheers! PKT

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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: What is the largest city on each continent?
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:04:14 GMT

Daniel Blum (blum@news.ils.nwu.edu) writes:
))I doubt. Folks from UK can probably give us the exact number of
))people living in City of London, but I'd doubt that it beats L.A.
))At least it is a hardly number which places it on any top lists
))over large cities.
)
)Are you kidding?  London had at least 8 million people the last time I
)looked, although of course it may be smaller now.  LA has only a
)little over 3 million.  Note that the "City of London" is NOT the
)entire, actual city of London - it's a very small part of it.

Well, you're at it, aren't you? City of London is not a very big
place. London Town is. Or Greater London.

In case you don't understand, go back and read the rest of my
article where I discussed the problem with defining what "city",
"town" etc is for useful comparisons.
-- 
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: rec.games.trivia
Subject: Re: What is the largest city on each continent?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:05:33 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Daniel Blum (blum@news.ils.nwu.edu) writes:
>Are you sure that this isn't a list of the top 25 metropolitan areas,
>rather than cities per se?  Last time I looked, London and Paris had
>much higher pops than LA,

I doubt. Folks from UK can probably give us the exact number of
people living in City of London, but I'd doubt that it beats L.A.
At least it is a hardly number which places it on any top lists
over large cities.

The problem is that the question is not very easy to answer, because
statistics from different countries are like apple and oranges. The
number of people in the administrative community is quite useless,
as the administrative division is different from country to country.
What is left is then to define some metropolitan area, but that is
inherently vague.

As an example take Stockholm. The commune of Stockholm has
650.000-700.000 inhabitants, but clearly the metropolitan area
is bigger than so. There is a strict definition of Great-Stockholm,
based on a number of surrounding communes which gives us 1.5
million people, but this area also includes sparsely populated
countryside places. I've also seen a number for Stockholm as
a metropolitan area which was around 950.000 but what is included
in number I don't know.

The question of which are the biggest cities has to be deferred
until the world is one state and there is a uniform principle for
division.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chris Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.games.trivia
Subject: Thanks!
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:56:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Sep29.165632.8783
Organization: University of Virginia

Thanks to all who sent me the address for the music quiz!

Chris
From: padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.games.trivia
Subject: Re: What is the largest city on each continent?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 17:01:56 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <henk.717770559@dutepp17> h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl (Henk Jonkers) writes:
>kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>>Europe: perhaps London? #2 choice Paris, #3 choice Moscow?
>Paris - London - ...

Moscow is bigger than London, which is bigger than Paris. I'll check my
World Almanac for confirmation.

By the way - are we talking city proper, or metro area?

Peter!
From: woody@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk (Ian Woodrow)
Newsgroups: rec.games.trivia
Subject: Re: What is the largest city on each continent?
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:36:25 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Service

kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:


>In particular, in population...
.
.
.


>Antarctica...WHO CARES? ;)

It's that place with the 3 residents ?    :-)


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From: lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner)
Subject: Chuck's Music Quiz #2
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:08:25 GMT


Well, I had some response to the first quiz.  Folks seem to like the lyrics
a bit more, but I'll continue with this.  Here's the second one, due on the
18th of October (midnight AST).


1)  What movies did the following songs appear in? [1 pt each]

   i> Eye of the Tiger (Survivor) 
  ii> Hungry Town (Big Pig)  
 iii> Take My Breath Away (Berlin)  
  iv> Oh Yeah (Yellow)    
   v> Welcome to the Jungle (Guns n' Roses)   

2) What was 'In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida' originally supposed to mean? [2 pts] 

3) Who played bass on Young MC's hits 'Bust A Move' and 'Principal's
   Office'? [5 pts]

4) David Bowie's first international hit, 'Space Oddity', was released in
   early 1970.  In Britain, the album was entitled 'David Bowie'; what was
   it called in the US? [5 pts]

5) Who is the father of Tin Machine's bassist and drummer? [3 pts]

-------------------------------------------------------

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From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: What is the largest city on each continent?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:08:29 GMT

belville@athena.mit.edu (Sharon Belville) writes:

>25 most populated world cities:

>Asia:	Tokyo (mind you, it's not on the continent of Asia...)
>N.Amer:	Mexico City
>S.Amer:	Sao Paulo, Brazil
>Asia:	Seoul, South Korea
>	New York

Hmmm... I just read an Asimov essay recently about overpopulation
("Does Anyone Care?" in _Out of the Everywhere_) where Mexico City
and Sao Paulo were listed as one and two.  This was published in 
1988.  I wonder if Tokyo passed them recently or did they measure
differently??

mark
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From: a3@rivm.nl (Adri Verhoef)
Subject: Again: Answers to TV Theme Song Super-Quiz
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:31:19 GMT

Again, thanks to Marcus Louie (marcus@wdl1.wdl.loral.com) for digging in his
archives and finding the definite article that was posted by Ken Wilson with
the answers to the TV Themes Quiz which some of us never saw.

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Article: 6841 of rec.games.trivia
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: Largest cities by area (was re: largest cities on each continent?)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:15:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.003357.6536@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> 
  kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano) writes:
>
>	Excuse my ignorance, I know where Jacksonville is, but I've never
>heard of Juneau!

Alaska 

>	Glenn

C "Oh don't bother, Alaska myself" Frog
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From: blum@news.ils.nwu.edu (Daniel Blum)
Subject: Re: Largest cities by area (was re: largest cities on each continent?)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:12:39 GMT

>	Since everyone has thrashed out what are the largest cities by
>population, does anyone have a list ranking cities by metropolitan area?
>I've been told that Melbourne and Sydney are among the largest in area,
>but I haven't been able to find figures for the rest of the world. I know
>Melbourne has an area of about 6000 sq.km. I believe LA is also near the
>top here. Anyone got exact figures?

>Glenn Capuano
>Monash Uni, Melbourne

LA is not all that large, actually.  I don't remember the figures, but
in the US, Jacksonville and Juneau, at least, beat it by quite a bit
(Juneau is the largest US city by area, since they annexed Douglas (?)
Island).

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From: kappa@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Glenn Capuano)
Subject: Largest cities by area (was re: largest cities on each continent?)
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:12:15 GMT

	Since everyone has thrashed out what are the largest cities by
population, does anyone have a list ranking cities by metropolitan area?
I've been told that Melbourne and Sydney are among the largest in area,
but I haven't been able to find figures for the rest of the world. I know
Melbourne has an area of about 6000 sq.km. I believe LA is also near the
top here. Anyone got exact figures?

Glenn Capuano
Monash Uni, Melbourne

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From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Subject: Re: Religious trivia
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:03:47 GMT

>
>|> 
>|> Also, How many loaves of bread and how many fish did He use to feed
>|> the multitudes?
>
Two loaves of bread.  Sorry, don't remember about the fish.

Barbara Kane                                             Unify Corporation
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* to throw dogs for it to fetch and could never understand why it didn't *
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From: lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner)
Subject: Re: Religious trivia
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:29:03 GMT

In article <BvBF23.6Fw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkroeger@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Keith Kroeger) writes:
>
>Does anybody know how old Jesus was when He was crucified?
>

33

>Also, How many loaves of bread and how many fish did He use to feed
>the multitudes?
>

Matthew 14:10:16-21

Jesus replied, "There is no need for them to go; give them something to eat
yourselves."
But they answered, "All we have with us is five loaves and two fish."
"Bring them here to me," he said.
He gave orders that the people were to sit down on the grass; then he took
the five loaces and the two fish, raised his eyes to heaven and said the
blessing.  And breaking the loaves he handed them to his disciples who gave
them to the crowds.
They all ate as much as they wanted, and they collected the scraps remaining,
twelve baskets full.
Those who ate numbered about five thousand men, to say nothing of the women
and children.

>Thanks,

No problem.

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From: a3@rivm.nl (Adri Verhoef)
Subject: REQUEST: Results/Answers of Chuck's Fifth Ever Music Quiz
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:11:00 GMT

Does anyone still have the results of Chuck's Fifth Quiz?

More specifically:
Chuck's Fifth Ever Music Quiz, posted: 31 May 92 14:55:24 GMT,
by: lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner), in: rec.games.trivia.

Chuck doesn't have them anymore, his account was killed and he lost his files.
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From: h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl (Henk Jonkers)
Subject: Re: What is the largest city on each continent?
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:42:39 GMT

kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>In particular, in population...
>I'm particularly wondering about Africa, but other cities on other continents
>are welcome!
>Here's what I think, for better or worse:

>N. America: Mexico City...#2 choice, NYC
Agreed.

>S. America: no clue...perhaps Rio?
Sao Paulo, I think.

>Europe: perhaps London? #2 choice Paris, #3 choice Moscow?
Paris - London - ...

>Asia: Beijing? #2 choice Shanghai, #3 choice Tokyo
Probably #1 Tokyo

>Africa: Cairo, #2 choice Lagos
Definately #1 Cairo, but I don't think Lagos is #2
(I think a.o. Casablanca, Kinshasa, Johannesburg are larger).

>Australia not sure...Sydney or Melbourne..
My guess: Sydney

>Antarctica...WHO CARES? ;)
Not me...

>Thanks,

>Ken

Henk Jonkers     ( H.Jonkers@et.tudelft.nl )
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From: blum@news.ils.nwu.edu (Daniel Blum)
Subject: Re: Largest cities by area (was re: largest cities on each continent?)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:40:50 GMT

I was talking about the area of cities proper, not including suburbs.
As for US cities - Jacksonville is indeed larger than LA, but Juneau
is larger still (granted, much of it is fairly empty, but that empty
land is legally part of the city).  I prefer not to discuss suburbs,
etc., since they're impossible to define consistently.

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From: sadkins@bigbird.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott W. Adkins)
Newsgroups: rec.games.corewar
Subject: Re: EBS Tournament
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:20:07 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept., Athens

In article <67050@cup.portal.com> durham@cup.portal.com (Mark Allen Durham) writes:
>
>1. Run an isolated tournament specifically for choosing finalists.
>   Warriors would be submitted via email to the tournament coordinator on
>   or before November 15, 1992.  This is what we have done in the past.
>
>2. Use the top ten warriors on the KotH hill as of midnight, November 15,
>   1992.

I am in favor of the first choice.  I see the problem with the second choice
is that there are some people who are on KotH more than once, and in many
cases, more than twice... I think a tournament where everybody has a fair
shot at the top ten would be idea.  I just know that people who have more
than 2 warriors in KotH just doesn't give anybody else a fair chance at it
as well.

Scott Adkins
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Subject: Re: KOTH
From: KENT@dirac.physics.jmu.edu (Kent Peterson)
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:50:35 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: JMU Physics Dept.
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In <1992Oct4.194532.25228@athena.mit.edu> ama@athena.mit.edu writes:

> Hi everybody!  I just got started on corewar.
> 
> Is it okay to use SPL 0 commands, and other similar tactics, in KOTH?  The 8000
> process limit per program makes this tactic very powerful.  How about in ICWS
> tourneys?

Darn right.  In CoreWar, "no holds barred" is the only rule applicable to these
things.  SPL 0,0; JMP 0,0; JMP @0,x; etc. are all common bombs used by programs
on the hill.  The only "forbidden" instructions are those the assembler can't
handle.

Kent Peterson
From: gt7804b@prism.gatech.EDU (Wayne Edward Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.games.corewar
Subject: Re: EBS Tournament
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:34:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <67050@cup.portal.com> durham@cup.portal.com (Mark Allen Durham) writes:
>1. Run an isolated tournament specifically for choosing finalists.
>   Warriors would be submitted via email to the tournament coordinator on
>   or before November 15, 1992.  This is what we have done in the past.
>
>2. Use the top ten warriors on the KotH hill as of midnight, November 15,
>   1992.

I vote in favor of the first choice.  The problem with #2 is that you
can see who is on the hill before you submit your entry.  You could
enter a program designed to make your program score well and other
programs score lower.

I also agree that you sould be limited to two programs.



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From: brudiakg@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Rudiak-Gould)
Subject: Re: ICWS'88 questions
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 06:13:48 GMT


>>   How do I decide whether to make values relative or absolute?

Jeff Raven <JAR129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>When you assemble a redcode program, you don't change any of the values
>of the fields (aside from converting them modulo coresize). When executing
>the program, then, yes, immediate mode is absolute, while all others are
>relative.

I should have made my meaning more clear.  What I'm worried about is
something like this:

alpha	equ	1+1
beta	equ	label-3
gamma	equ	label2-label

	dat	#alpha
	dat	#beta
	dat	#gamma
label	spl	666
label2	jmp	label

Now, the first data statement should obviously evaluate to dat #2
(that's absolute).  The second would make more sense if it evaluated
as dat #-1 (that's relative).  The third should probably evaluate to
dat #1 (the number of core locations from label to label2), since the
relative addressing would "drop out" when subtracting two labels
(that's absolute).  My question should have been, "How does the
assembler make this determination?"

--
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                            posting this particular article from
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From: d91andiv@IDA.LiU.SE (Anders Ivner)
Subject: Re: Rules and Memory Sizes
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.135140.27571@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ubacw00@ucl.ac.uk (Mick Farmer) writes:

   We use core wars to teach our postgraduate students about
   machine code programming.  This year, we're thinking of
   setting the memory bound to 10000, so that arithmetic is
   easier.  Has anyone any views on this?

Wouldn't an even power of two, like 8192, make more sense?
Not that CW supports any bitwise boolean operations, but just
to relate it to standard memory sizes in computers.

 Anders Ivner

(I wish I had scheduled time for core wars! :-)
From: benrg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Ben Rudiak-Gould)
Newsgroups: rec.games.corewar
Subject: Re: ICWS'88 questions
Date: 30 Sep 1992 07:27:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Sep29.122845.8320@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> sadkins@bigbird.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott W. Adkins) writes:
>Ok, when dealing with equates, you must have some kind of mechanism that
>will take the equate label and completely substitute it with what is 
>defined on the right hand side of the definition.
>                                       This might have been obvious...

Actually, this was the source of my confusion.  When I think of the
equates as macro defines rather than variable assignments, everything
makes perfect sense.  Darn.

The only one of my questions that hasn't been answered now is the one
about the order of evaluation and parenthesis.  Thanks to all of the
helpful people who've responded so far, and advance thanks to anyone
who can put my mind to rest by answering this last question.

--
Ben Rudiak-Gould
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"It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission."
    -- Admiral Grace Hopper
From: ubacw00@ucl.ac.uk (Mick Farmer)
Newsgroups: rec.games.corewar
Subject: Rules and Memory Sizes
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:51:40 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Hi,

We use core wars to teach our postgraduate students about
machine code programming.  This year, we're thinking of
setting the memory bound to 10000, so that arithmetic is
easier.  Has anyone any views on this?

Finally, could someone let me have a copy of the latest
rules, especially what instruction set to use.

Regards,

Mick
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