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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:26:06 EDT
From:         "Rick Gates" <lb05gate%UCSBUXA.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      RESULTS: First Internet Hunt

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RESULTS of the FIRST INTERNET HUNT !!!
======================================

The first Internet Hunt is officially closed.   And the winner
is...

                Hope N. Tillman
                Director of Libraries
                Horn Library
                Babson College
                Babson Park MA 02157

... who submitted an entry scoring 46 points on Friday Sept 4, at
03:22 GMT.  Congratulations Hope!


STATISTICS
===========

Entries received: 15

Comments received: 37


WHAT I'VE LEARNED
===================

1. There's a lot of interest in knowing how the players arrived
at their answers.  So along with the answers, I'm also posting
the winner's methods, and any other methods that seem useful.

2. Almost all players stated that they found the Hunt fun.  I
guess this should come as no surprise as those who find this sort
of mining of the networks fun were the most likely to try their
hand at the Hunt.

3. Almost all comments were extremely positive.  I was glad to
see that many were pleased and surprised at the types of primary
information that are available.

4. Checking every answer for validity is very time-consuming.
I'm giving preference to those answers that provide information
now, without intemediary subscription or registration requests
(see below).


HOW I SCORED THE ENTRIES
========================
1. Not everyone used the same methods as myself for answering
these questions.  This was expected (and should be quite obvious
to anyone who regularly navigates the Net).  As I began to score
the entries, I found that frequently an answer that left much of
the method of access unstated made it difficult to verify the
answer.  I wished to reward those who had explained how they'd
found the answers.  Therefore, I began to knock points off for
answers that didn't specify clearly what methods were used.

An example would be:

        Available via FTP from host.site.edu

                        vs.

        Available via FTP from host.site.edu in
        /pub/dir1/subdir2/info, filename info.txt

The second form is preferred, and should get full credit.

2. Maximum points are awarded only for those answers using access
methods that are *not* licensed to a particular subset of Net
users. For example if someone answers a question by accessing a
database that is licensed to a particular University, that answer
will not be awarded the maximum points.

3. I'm giving preference to answers that can be solved
immediately using the Net.  Those answers requiring subscribing
to listservs, or registering for future use will not receive full
points.  (This is not to say that these are invalid sources of
information, but that they are outside the scope of this
exercise.  My main problem with them is that answers of this type
would slow down my turnaround time for checking the validity of
all answers.)


HOW I'M HANDLING THE ANSWERS
============================

1. I'll post the original question, the answer from the winning
entry, and other useful, (and legitimate answers).

2. I will not post any entry that utilizes an access method that is
licensed to a particular subset of Net users.  Anyone who has cruised
the Net at any length has discovered licensed resources that are
accessible to anyone.  I will not expose those resources to further
unlicensed access.  For example, you will not see any mention of
access to dictionaries, as I am currently unaware of any in the public
domain.

3. If any answer has not been awarded full credit, I'll put in a
note explaining why.

SOME FINAL NOTES
================

1. Any player wishing to see how I rated their own entry may do so by
posting me.  I don't wish to get into any arguments about how I grade.
This is an exercise to teach us about Net access.  (It won't affect
anyone's grade point average. :-)

2. I'm as prone to mistakes as the next guy (maybe more so).  I'm
totally open to any and all criticism about how to make the Hunt a
better exercise.  If you have anything at all to say, let me know.  I
can take it.

3. Since the comments that I *did* get were so positive, I've decided
to try making the Hunt a monthly occurrance.  One comment did suggest
that I post notice of the Hunt's impending release into the Nets so
that folks are not caught off guard.  What does everyone think about
this?

4. Thanks to all who commented, and especially the players.  As I've
said before, the only way to learn to navigate the Nets is to unfurl
the sails, and heave ho.  Try these methods of access, and let me know
if you think you learn more than reading about it in a book.

Ciao for now,
                Rick


THE ANSWERS
===========

1. (4) I'm leaving for Japan tomorrow.  Approximately how many
yen can I get for my dollar, give or take a few yen ?

Winner's Answer:
(4) 126.23 (an end of August figure)
    Via Gopher access to Hermes.Merit.Edu
    to UM-Ulibrary and
    to the menu soc-sci, then
    ec bulletin board, then
    monetary stats.

Other Answers:

(3) 123.01 on 9/1/92, according to "USA TODAY: Headline
    Business News" on the Cleveland Freenet
    (telnet to freenet-in-a.cwru.edu, then
    access "The Business and Industrial Park.")
    (Rick: USA Today on Cleveland Freenet does not always carry
    exchange rates.)

(3) CIA World Factbook
    telnet info.cern.ch
    Search under Japan
    (Rick: Need to do a large text search)

(2) Usenet group soc.culture.japan
    (Rick: This info is infrequent.)


2. (7) A hurricane just blew in!  Where can I find satellite
photos of it's progress?

Winner's Answer:
(6) For satellite photos,
    ftp to vmd.cso.uiuc.edu.
    The files are .gif files.
    (Rick: The directory for these files /wx, needs to be
    specified for maximum points.)


Other Answers:
(6) ftp unidata.ucar.edu
    (Rick: Not as current.)

(Rick: Not what I was asking for, but several users gave me
information on a Quick-Time movie that was specific to Hurricane
Andrew.  Check out ftp to:
        sumex-aim.stanford.edu:
        /info-mac/art/qt/hurricane-andrew.hqx
                  or
        nic.switch.ch
        /mirror/info-mac/art/qt/hurricane-andrew.hqx
)


3. (6) I'm taking a job as a social studies teacher at a high
school in Denver, Co.  Where can I find a list of local
environmental organizations that could come speak to my classes?

Winner's Answer:
(6) Access CARL (pac.carl.org).  The Directory of Environmental
    Education Resources (DEER) is a joint project of Colorado
    Alliance for Environmental Education (CAEE) and Colorado
    Dept. of Education, as a service from Pikes Peak Library
    District. At Pikes Peak Lib. District menu go to #3 for
    Encyclopedias, Business and Reference (sources including
    DEER).  DEER is 26. If you browse by title you will see an
    alphabetical list of programs focused on environmental ed.

Other Answers:
(2) Suggested asking at various Usenet groups such as
     K12.net
     talk.environment


4. (4) My wife just got a job at the University of North
Carolina.  My specialty is computer/data processing work.  Where
can I find a list of jobs in that area of the state?

Winner's answer:
(4) North Carolina State University's CWIS, "Happenings," has a
    menu item, "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs," which contains the listings of
    vacancies posted by the North Carolina Office of State
    Personnel Vacancies.  Category #5 is entitled "Data
    Processing."  Beyond that, the CWISes of the University of
    North Carolina at Asheville, at Chapel Hill, at Greensboro,
    and at Wilmington also provide job listings.  One of my
    difficulties for this question is that I haven't a clue at
    which University of North Carolina site your wife got a job.
    That's why I decided to give you all the possible UNC sites.
    For the state listings the NCSU's Happenings is the best
    source.

Other Answers
(4) telnet to info.acs.unc.edu,
    login: info, and
    select #6 "Human Resources (faculty/staff)"


5. (2) How many copies of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" does
the University of Nevada at Las Vegas hold?

Winner's Answer:
(1) There are two copies in special collections at the Univ. of
    Nevada at Las Vegas.  I couldn't get in through UNLV but did
    get in through Reno and found access to Southern Nevada which
    enabled me to look up Las Vegas.
    (Rick: We need the telnet address (IP) for full points here.)


6. (6) Bill Clinton made a speech somewhere on Earth day this
year.  Where can I find the text of it?

Winner's Answer:
(6) Via WAIS  (quake.think.com),  I searched Clinton
    speeches at sunsite.unc.edu. - clinton-speechess.
    Bill Clinton spoke at Drexel University in Philadelphia,
    PA on Earth Day in April 22, 1992.

Other Answers:
(Rick: There were many good answers.  Here are a few...)
(6) Cleveland Free-Net.
    go campaign.
    Select 3.
    Article 48

(6) ftp sunsite.unc.edu
    /pub/docs/speeches

(6) ftp to ftp.uu.net
    cd doc/papers/democrats/clinton
    get enviro.text

(6) The text of the speech can also be found on
    cobalt.cco.caltech.edu in
    /pub/bjmccall/Clinton2/enviro.txt

(6) FTP to nptn.org (192.55.234.52)
    under /pub/campaign.92.
    The filename is called c46.txt.

(6) ftp from ftp.uu.net in directory
    /doc/literary/obi/USElection/President/Clinton
    as enviro.txt.Z.

(5) LDBASE search of the archives at CLINTON@MARIST
    (Rick: need to subscribe to search these archives.)

7. (7)  I just read an interesting paper by a Bradley Smith in
the Chemistry Department at the University of Western Australia.
Is it possible to get an email address for him?

Winner's Answer
(7) Yes, his address is: bjs@crystal.uwa.oz.au
    Using the Internet Gopher X500 gateway, phonebooks
    directory, you can narrow to country, to Australia, to
    university, and then to Chemistry department.

Other Answers
(7) Netfind at the University of Colorado.
    (Telnet bruno.cs.colorado.edu and
    login as netfind.
    Search for Smith Western Australia)

(7) whois -h uniwa.uwa.oz.au smith

(7) I found his address by first anonymous FTP-ing the
    whois-servers.list from sipb.mit.edu (cd /pub/whois). The
    list told me that there is a whois server at uwa.edu.au, so I
    used Fetch to FTP to the site. I got the file "directories"
    from the server (cd /pub/aarnet/resource-guide/directories),
    which told me that the University of Western Australia's
    whois information could be retrieved with the command "whois
    -h uwa.oz.au name", which was Smith. I got a list  of
    everyone named Smith who was associated with the University
    of Western Australia.

(7) whois -h uwa.edu.au smith


8. (2)  Someone told me that there's a collection of software
specifically for libraries stored somewhere in Canada called
libsoft.  How do I get ahold of this software?

Winner's Answer:
(2) You can FTP to hydra.uwo.edu, directory libsoft. [I know this
    because a file of mine is in this directory.]

(Rick:  Most people suggesting searching archie or doing an
archive search of pacs-l at uhupvm1.)


9. (4)  Where can I find news, discussions, and perhaps
eyewitness reports out of what used to be Yugoslavia?

Winner's Answer:
(4) A good mailing list is the listserv SOC.CULTURE.YUGOSLAVIA.

Other Answers:
(3) The e-conference MidEur-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (subscribe by
    sending mail to listserv@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU with the
    contents "SUB MIDEUR-L yourfirstname yourlastname"), or
    Slovak-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU, subscribeable in the same
    fashion.
    (Rick: Might provide better information in the long run. I'm
    looking for information right now.  See above.)


10. (6)  Could you tell me how I can find the Washington address
for the congressman from my district?

Winner's Answer
(6) Via WAIS I identified the Congress file from pit.mit.edu,
    and identified Robert J. Lagomarsino as the
    Rep from District including Santa Barbara.
    His Washington address is:
    2332 Rayburn
    Washington DC 20515

Other Answers:
(6) telnet to info.umd.edu
    /Government/US/Congress/sens+reps-detail


(5) ftp pit-manager.mit.edu
    cd pub/activism/congress
    get the two letter code for your state.
    (Rick: this involves downloading and searching text)

(4) ftp from pit-manager.mit.edu:
    pub/wais-indices/congress.doc
    (Rick: This involves downloading and searching even more text)

That's all folks!
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