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From: sdl@rabbit.cs.bham.ac.uk (Simon D. Levitt)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MultiMedia Mailtool
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:05:23 GMT
Organization: Birmingham University Computer Science

Hi all,

I am a 3rd year undergrad at Birmingham uni, and for my project I have
chosen to write a mailtool that should be capable of handling 
multi-media mail. It is to be written to run under the X window system,
and I am looking for ideas for what should be included in the package in
the way of features and operation.

I would be particularly interested in suggestions for the way that
the different types of media could be included in mails being written.

Any ideas, suggestions would be greatly received.

Thanx in advance,

Simon Levitt.


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From: artcomtv@WELL.SF.CA.US (Artcom)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re:  SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:27:12 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Hi
Why not write to me at my CMU address:  ce;@andrew.cmu.edu

I'm the Dire of Telecommunication and Virtual Reality project
at CFA, STUDIO for Creative Inquiry.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: dominic@skaro.genie.uottawa.ca (Dominic Richens)
Subject: Re: MultiMedia Mailtool
Originator: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Reply-To: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:30:06 GMT


In article <BvG4Gz.Dqv@cs.bham.ac.uk>, sdl@rabbit.cs.bham.ac.uk (Simon D. Levitt) writes:
! I am a 3rd year undergrad at Birmingham uni, and for my project I have
! chosen to write a mailtool that should be capable of handling 
! multi-media mail. It is to be written to run under the X window system,
! and I am looking for ideas for what should be included in the package in
! the way of features and operation.

Firstly, you would want to look up RFC-934, RFC-1049, and RFC-1342 to find
which standards are already out there for "Content-type" headers in e-mail
messages.

Next, anon ftp the metamail stuff from thumper.bellcore.com, which includes
a description of MIME, and modifications for 19 existing "User Agents", so
that they may use MIME.

! I would be particularly interested in suggestions for the way that
! the different types of media could be included in mails being written.

For simplicity, I would make it flexible and easily extensible.  Plus you
want to limit yourself to the amount of time you have for the project.  If
you have easy access to audio (i.e. you got SPARCs), include that, and
maybe a builtin gif viewer.  See if you can get some info on the NeXT mail
tool, as I've seen this work with sound and colour pictures.

dominic 

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From: jfg@spiderman.bu.edu (John F. Gibbon)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Spanish
Keywords: Spanish
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:33:29 GMT
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: jfg@spiderman.bu.edu


	Greetings.  I am a doctral student at Boston University and need to
find orginal technical literature in Spanish (i.e. not translate from English)
in my research area which includes multimedia, communications, and real-time
scheduling.  I need this literature to justify taking my language qualifying
exam in Spanish, a language in which I am at least semi-fluent.  Any articles
or magazines that can be suggested will be appreciated.
 
					Many thanks,

						John Gibbon
						jfg@spiderman.bu.edu
  
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:54:02 -0400 
From: "Robert W. Jordan" <rj25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!

   I am a freshman at Carnegie Mellon University and I need some help. 
At CMU, students don't declare their major until after their sophomore
year.  Right now, I've kind of decided on majoring in Creative Writing. 
However, what I think would be way cool to do is develop my own major
called, "Computer-based Multimedia Development."
    The major part of developing my own major is formulating a proposal
to be submitted to the Academic Head-Cheeses so they can decide to give
me the go-ahead.  But as a part of this proposal, I have to pick several
existing classes that would be useful in pursuing my desired major.  In
my idea for Computer-based Multimedia Development, I'd think it would be
necessary to include classes that teach understanding of sound
recording, music, graphics, animation, and even use of multimedia
programs.  Of the classes I have put in my plan, some are in the Design
Dept., some are in the Art Dept., some are in the Music Dept., and some
are even in the English Dept.  Still, all of them teach some integral
theme to understanding and developing multimedia.
    The classes I have included are listed below, with a short reason
why I chose them:

Physics of Musical Sound                       These are all classes that
Keyboard Studies I/II, III/IV, and V/VI       are concerned with developing
Sound Recording I/II                           sound and musical skills.
Electronic and Computer Music I/II

Electronic Media Studio I/II                   These classes deal with using
Computer Drawing & Painting I/II               computers for animation and
2-D Computer Animation                         multimedia production.
3-D Computer Animation
Interactive Multimedia
Electronic Print and New Media Production

Documenting the Visual                         These classes teach fundamental
Integrating Visual and Verbal Text             uses of color, graphic
represent-
Color                                          ation, and typography. 
They also
Typography 1, 2, and 3                         deal with how people perceive
Non-Verbal Communication                       and communicate with images.
Information Design
Visual Language
Kinetic Typography
Visual Interface Design


    But I need more.  If anyone out there can help me, this is what I ask:
What are some things that somebody majoring in Computer-based Multimedia
Development should be learning how to do?  What benefits could I get
with a degree in this?  I am aware of the uses of multimedia for
animation, presentations, information kiosks, demonstrations, etc.  But
what reasons can I give the faculty at CMU to persuade them to let me
pursue this?  Any comments and feedback is much appreciated, and I will
try to get back to anybody who responds to this.  Thanks.

                   Rob Jordan
From: pjr7@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: computer profit making
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:47:45 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

To be brief, I have recently discovered a way to earn money at home using your
personal computers. If you would like more information, please email me at
pjr.jaguar.uofs.edu and please leave your United States postal address for
further information. 
Xref: sparky comp.mail.multi-media:270 comp.sys.amiga.multimedia:1320
From: usp@futserv.austin.ibm.com (Uma S. Pandey)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: How good is Video Toaster?
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:43:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD Austin, TX


Hello,

I want to setup a Video Lab in which I can edit the pre-recorded videos, and
add various digital effects, and also I want the capability of stereo audio 
dubbing. I have talked to various people about this, a lot of people have
suggested Apple's Mac IIsi with their new video boards, and some of them
have suggested Amiga's Video Toaster. I have seen Video Toaster's demo tape,
and it looks really good. 

Can anyone shed some light on these machines, or if you know of any video/audio
cards that go with the IBM PC compatible's. Does anybody know the quality of
output produced by Video toaster and other machines.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: elm2.4, AIX
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:20:15 GMT

  The source of elm2.4 is to be found also under anonymous ftp on
ftp.itc.univie.ac.at:/pub/AIX

  In order to enable proper functionality on AIX (determining the screen
size), the line 40 of src/curses.c has been slightly changed - 
Original:
# if __convex__
Now:
# if defined(__convex__) || defined(_AIX)
because the TIOCGWINSZ constant is *not* defined in termios.h.

  The file config.sh is also present, so that you may use most of the
default replies during the "Configure" run... The most important point
is the "-U__STR__" parameter of the cc command.

  For questions, remarks and flames pls mail to Tom.Kovar@itc.univie.ac.at

								- Tom
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: SIG / LOCALSIG LOGIC???
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:10:28 GMT

dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com (Dave Brillhart) writes:
>Can anyone explain the logic ELM uses to decide if it
>should choose the LOCALSIG file or the SIGNATURE file?
Its extreemly simplistic, in both 2.3 and 2.4, here is the
algorithm....

if the address contains a ! % or @, its remote (I think ::
might be remote also) otherwise its local, thats it.

I know, there are lots of ways of making it smarter....
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Re: mh folder -> elm folder
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:50:08 GMT

Alex Blakemore (alex@cs.umd.edu) wrote:
: 
: how about cat?

That won't work.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.sendmail
From: mos@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Michael O'Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Sendmail "net hang" when using Elm
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:24:57 GMT

rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder) writes:

>We're using elm 2.3 PL11 on a number of Suns running SunOS 4.1.2.  It works
>fine for reading, but when sending mail from a client, you get:

>Sep 28 13:50:05 taino sendmail[6979]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: net hang reading from hannibal-n1: Connection timed out

>Sending mail from the main server (hannibal) works fine.  But the clients open
>a connection to the server to send mail, and the connection isn't closed, nor
>does the mail get through.

>Other mail programs (mailtool, /usr/ucb/mail, etc) seem to work fine.  Anyone
>have any ideas?

I had this problem too, it took me a week to solve it! The editor you are
using inside of elm is emacs right ? Emacs doesn't put a carriage return
at the end of a line automatically (like vi). Elm appends the . which
terminates the mail message (in smtp) directly to the end of the mail
message you are trying to send. Thus if the last character of the mail
message is not a newline, you are in shit. Users should check their
.signature files (if they have them) or always make sure they have a blank
newline at the end of their mail message.

	Sorry I haven't posted this, I'm in the process of putting a patch
in the elm src to fix it. I was going to mail when I'd finished. 


		  Hope this is of help,
				  	MOS
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Customised Software		  can only see what remains to be done...
Solutions Centre,Sydney					- Marie Curie
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:2545 comp.mail.sendmail:2430
From: kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Sendmail "net hang" when using Elm
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:27:19 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Laboratory for Elementary Particle Science

In article <1992Oct1.232457.5508@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> mos@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Michael O'Sullivan) writes:
>rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder) writes:
>
>
>I had this problem too, it took me a week to solve it! The editor you are
>using inside of elm is emacs right ? Emacs doesn't put a carriage return
>at the end of a line automatically (like vi). Elm appends the . which
>terminates the mail message (in smtp) directly to the end of the mail
>message you are trying to send. Thus if the last character of the mail
>message is not a newline, you are in shit. Users should check their
>.signature files (if they have them) or always make sure they have a blank
>newline at the end of their mail message.
>
>	Sorry I haven't posted this, I'm in the process of putting a patch
>in the elm src to fix it. I was going to mail when I'd finished. 

Since this is really the fault of using the buggy OR option with Sun's sendmail,
wouldn't it make more sense to fix this problem at the source (ie - sendmail)?

--Ken
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:34:38 GMT

In article <CKD.92Oct6121500@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>
>I don't know of anything which *relies* on ti/te working.  I personally
>dislike the alternate screen buffer behavior it has.  (If I emacs or
>less a file, I want it to still be on the screen when I exit; I don't
>want my old screen contents back, that's for sure.)

Personally, I sometimes find it useful to have my old screen, containing an 
error-message for example, back after I looked at a file with vi or less
to determine the cause of the error.

>
>This is probably a personal preference issue (aren't they always? :)

Right. But as a system administrator I don't want to force our users
to disable ti/te. I prefer to have 2.4 working correctly
with xterms like 2.3 does.


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cayouett@nmerh7.BNR.CA (Daniel Cayouette)
Subject: Re: Printing the Cc:
Reply-To: cayouett@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:23:54 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.142013.22230@u.washington.edu>,
fkoch@orca.fhcrc.org (Fred Koch) writes:
|> Currently the Cc: line displays when reviewing mail but does not
|> print when using the p option from the elm menu. Is there some
|> method to change this behavior so that the Cc: is included in the
|> print out?

If you have a postscript printer you can use 'mp' in your print config
so that the p option will print ALL of your To: list and your Cc: list.

Your print option would look like

'/bin/cat %s | mp | lp -od'

Look up the newest version of 'mp' in archie - I don't know at which site 
we retreived it from.

|> 
|> 
|> Fred Koch     fkoch@orca.fhcrc.org
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<CKD.92Oct5210542@loiosh.eff.org> <1992Oct6.061902.1187@ifi.unizh.ch>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:15:02 GMT

Silvano> == Silvano Maffeis <maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch> 

 Silvano> I also tried this. Ok it works, but what about other programs
 Silvano> I start in the same xterm which rely on ti and te? I don't
 Silvano> think it's the right way to brutally switch off this nite
 Silvano> functionality...

I don't know of anything which *relies* on ti/te working.  I personally
dislike the alternate screen buffer behavior it has.  (If I emacs or
less a file, I want it to still be on the screen when I exit; I don't
want my old screen contents back, that's for sure.)

This is probably a personal preference issue (aren't they always? :)
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,news.answers
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Filter and Reply-To
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:30:29 GMT

jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>It looks like the when Filtering out messages, the Reply-To: header
>takes precedence over the From: header, even if I am only searching
>for the the From: header.

>Is this supposed to be the case?
Elm and Filter both consider From: and Reply-To: equivalent, and the
last one wins. (ie if From: follows Reply-To:, the From: wins and
vice versa)
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:2588 comp.unix.aix:10381
From: haedener@iacrs1.unibe.ch (Konrad Haedener)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:28:49 GMT
Reply-To: haedener@iacrs1.unibe.ch
Organization: University of Berne

These are inofficial patches for elm 2.4 pl0 to make the distribution
compile cleanly under AIX 3.2.1 with xlc 1.2.0.13 invoked as bsdcc 
(c.f. /usr/lpp/bos/bsdport for bsdcc setup); the one concerning TIOCGWINSZ
is due to Tom Kovar (tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at).

Whether or not you will find these patches useful will probably depend on
your answers to Configure (file locking, e.g.) and your decision on which
compiler environment to use.

One additional detail: when operating elm 2.4 in my NIS environment,
not fully qualified local host names were completed by appending a NIS 
domain name instead of our IP domain name (I guess this is simply what
getdomainname() returns); a simple solution was to place the correct
domain name in /usr/local/lib/domain (or whatever you have declared as your
library directory) from where it is being read at runtime.


*** filter/lock.c	Sat Oct  3 23:18:28 1992
--- filter/lock.c	Tue Oct  6 10:55:12 1992
***************
*** 28,33 ****
--- 28,34 ----
    
  **/
  
+ #define _MBI void
  #include <stdio.h>
  #include <fcntl.h>
  #include <errno.h>
*** src/curses.c	Sat Oct  3 23:58:48 1992
--- src/curses.c	Mon Oct  5 20:40:45 1992
***************
*** 37,43 ****
  
  #ifdef TERMIOS
  #  include <termios.h>
! # if __convex__
  #  include <sys/ioctl.h>	/* non-standard, for TIOCGWINSZ */
  # endif
  #else
--- 37,43 ----
  
  #ifdef TERMIOS
  #  include <termios.h>
! # if defined(__convex__) || defined(_AIX)
  #  include <sys/ioctl.h>	/* non-standard, for TIOCGWINSZ */
  # endif
  #else
*** src/init.c	Sat Oct  3 23:58:59 1992
--- src/init.c	Tue Oct  6 10:28:38 1992
***************
*** 23,28 ****
--- 23,29 ----
  /***** Initialize - read in all the defaults etc etc 
  *****/
  
+ #define _MBI void
  #include "headers.h"
  #include "patchlevel.h"
  #include "s_elm.h"

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 aliases and also problem with ispell
Reply-To: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:03:36 GMT

cherny@ibg.colorado.edu (Stacey Cherny) writes:

>I've just installed Elm 2.4 PL0 and I have a couple of questions about
>it.

>(2) On our DECstations, running Ultrix 4.2, after running ispell,
>single letter Elm commands only take effect after hitting return.
>This problem does not occur on the RS/6000.  Any ideas?

Can you reproduce this problem reliably?  I have access to an ultrix
system 4.2 and *very rarely* saw the problem -- rarely enough that
it wasn't clear if the problem was elm2.4, ispell, or Ultrix.  Let
me know at scs@iti.org.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: stud02@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kris Van Hees)
Distribution: world
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 17:57:40 +01
Reply-To: stud02@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Subject: Elm 2.4 problem on PS/2 AIX

Hello,

I have been trying to compile the Elm 2.4 as it was placed on the *.nl ftp
server.  Everything compiled (quite) well (had to do one compiling by hand
due to a possible optimisation problem in the AIX assembler).  However, when
I tried to use newalias and listalias I got a Segmentation Fault.

Anyone had similar problems?  Possible solution?  I noticed that it is using
the catgets() call without previous catopen() call.  Is that possible or even
supposed to work (I have no experience with these calls and out man pages
aren't really helpful in this matter).

Regards,
   Kris.
From: ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: problem with pipe in 2.4
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:32:15 GMT
Organization: University of Cambridge Computing Service

I've just built 2.4 and have the following problem:

Pressing the | key, to pipe a message to a command, and giving the command as

cat > myfilename

no longer works (it does in 2.3). What happens is that I get the error message

Usage: readmsg [-n|-h] [-f filename] [-p] <message list>

Anybody else seen this? Is it my fault or a bug in Elm?

Philip Hazel

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From: cstila@uta.fi (Timo Laitinen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:59:23 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


I'd like to have address the university of Ulm (Germany).
I have on (maybe old or wrong): 134.60.66.21, but I can't get
connection with this address.

Thank You, Timo

K|nnen Sie mir bitte eine Adresse von Ulm Universit{t (Deutch) geben.
Ich habe eine 'alte' Adresse: 134.60.66.21, aber es geht nicht.

Danke Sch|n, Timo
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