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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Charlie Parker - looking for the DIAL material on CD
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:01:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: kariba.RSHAPIRO.92Oct4130125
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In-reply-to: matti@bion.kth.se's message of Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:04:51 GMT

In article <MATTI.92Oct4170451@marilyn.bion.kth.se> matti@bion.kth.se (Matti Rendahl) writes:

   Anybody knows if this is available? Record company etc?

The most thorough compilation of Bird's Dial recordings would be the 6
lps on the Spotlite label. A smaller "master takes" collection is
available on a couple of Stash cds.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff)
Subject: New Release
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:44:18 GMT

If there are any interested vocal jazz listeners out there, does anyone  
know when the new Manhatten Transfer, 2-CD set from Rhino Records is due  
to come out?

Thanks,
Jason Heideloff
heidelj@alleg.edu
From: kumard@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Deepak Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Query: "Monkey in the middle" artist...
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:41:33 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: kumard@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU

Last weekend while I was in Philadelphia I hear a good version of
_Monkey in the middle_ (a female singer)....on either WHYY or 90.1
(Temple Univ. station)...can anyone clue me in on this one????

Thanks.

Deepak.

-- 
I'm not a teacher but I play one at school.
kumard@cs.buffalo.EDU                    Deepak Kumar, Department of Comp. Sc.
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Committee on Purity
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:53:35 GMT

rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump) writes:
>.................................. The main theme of the story, by the
>way, is the subversive effect of jazz within this totalitarian culture -- 
>an interesting aspect of the history of jazz in the one-time "communist" 
>countries as well (and perhaps even in the U.S. through the 1950s).  
>Does anyone out there know of any work that examines this aspect of jazz 
>in detail?

I've seen (but not had a chnace to read) a few books which sound like they
might be what you are looking for.

Within the past year, a non-fiction book on jazz in Nazi Germany was
published; I don't recall the name or author, but it was reviewed in the
NY Times and I have seen it in a suburban book store, so you should
be able to track it down.

Ben Wiener has already mentioned another recent (2 years old?) book about
jazz in teh Soviet Union. Again, I haven't read it (would there were time
to read all the books that look interesting, hear all the music that sounds
interesting), but from the reviews I remember that one theme was the dichotomy
of the early (1920s) soviet leaders who banned the music from Soviet peoples
because of its subversive effect while listening to it themselves in private.

I have a copy of a book called FIRE MUSIC: A POLITICAL HISTORY OF JAZZ
by Rob Backus, published by Vanguard Books, 1976. This book seems to present
the same view from the other side; viz., jazz in support of a movement
for freedom, in this case the freedom of Black Americans. From the Publisher's
Note before the text: "...The special contribution that FIRE MUSIC makes
is its effort to view the shaping of a music as a reflection of the shaping
of a people, of an oppressed nation. The surging rhythms cry for freedom--
freedom from slavery that has changed its form but not its essence..."
This them also shows up in the writings of many jazz and social critics
in the 60s and 70s in relation to free jazz, but this book goes back to
the civil war and seems be a parallel history of jazz and the freedom movement.
Again, I haven't read it; this just comes from scanning the contents.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
From: gwl@wavetracer.com (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Tom Waits discography (long)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:37:03 GMT
Reply-To: gwl@wavetracer.com

No, Tom Waits isn't on the Willner Mingus thing.

--------------------------------------------------
Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
Wavetracer, Inc.
From: milliken@scofield.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Milliken)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: All Of You
Date: 3 Oct 1992 15:22:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <12720002@hpgnd153.grenoble.hp.com> errol@hpgnd153.grenoble.hp.com (Errol Inan) writes:
>Can anyone recommend a version of "All of You" that is as close as possible to
>what might be considered the "standard" version of the tune?
>
>There's a copy of it in the Real Book.  I was comparing it to the Miles Davis
>recording, "Friday and Saturday Nights At the Blackhawk (S.F.)", where Wynton
>Kelly is on the piano (wonderful, I might add) and it seems that the Real Book
>changes are not even close.
>
>It's not covered in any of the Jamey Abersold books, nor in the New Real Book.
>
>I guess I should probably just figure it out off the record.  The problem is
>it's hard to know if the recording I transcribe is really what most people
>use (ya know, the old bass player, piano player saga).
>
>Thanks in advance.  - Errol

You're right that many otherwise terrific jazz instrumental versions of
standard songs are not too good for the purpose of learning the "correct"
melody or changes.  In most such cases, you're better off looking for a
vocal version (umm, well, there are exceptions to that rule as well, such
as Louis Armstrong or Billie Holiday, the prototypical "jazz" singers).

Ella Fitzgerald sang "All of You" on her Cole Porter Songbook on Verve,
which for this purpose would be just right.  I also have a tape of Sinatra
singing it, but that was taken from a library record and I can't figure out
what album it was from -- I know it's not on either the Capitol or Reprise
"box sets" (which are really "books" not boxes).  I would guess that "All
of Me" might be on the same original album that contained "New York, New
York" from around 1979-80, but that's just a guess.
From: brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Jazz in the City Film Festival (in SF)
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:03:47 GMT
Organization: Brian Smithson

A recent Castro Theatre schedule lists a series of films on October 24 and 25
which I thought would be of interest to this newsgroup.  OK, so maybe you
can't get to San Francisco to see them, but at least you can keep an eye out
in your locale.  I wonder if they're playing individually or as a series 
anywhere else?

Anyhow, here's the list.  I'm especially intrigued by "Last Date" (being a
big-time Dolphy fan) and "Sweet Love, Bitter".  Times and dates are for
the Castro in San Francisco.  Text is from the Castro schedule.


10/24 4pm & 7pm

The Cameraman

One of Buster Keaton's funniest features, this 1928 silent classic
about a love-smitten newsreel cameraman's attempts to impress his girl
will be shown in a newly restored 35mm print accompanied by Vince
Giordano's Nighthawks.  The Nighthawks, a 14-piece 20's style jazz band from
New York, are one of the hottest traditional jazz bands in the country.


10/24 9pm

Last Date

The Bay Area Premiere of this Dutch documentary about the life of
iconoclastic saxophonist Eric Dolphy.  Includes historic footage with
Charles Mingus. (1992)


10/25 2pm

My Father's Music ... Jazz

The World Premiere of Bay Area filmmaker Chann Berry's documentary
featuring Dizzy Gillespie, Ella Fitzgerald, Nancy Wilson, Max Roach,
Isaac Hayes, Chaka Khan, and many others. (1992)


10/25 4pm

Texas Tenor

Documentary on Illinois Jacquet, shown with famous 1944 short Jammin' the
Blues with jazz masters Harry Edison, Lester Young, Jacquet, Red Callender,
and Jo Jones.  "Two of the most visually ambitious movies ever made about
jazz" - Vilage Voice.


10/25 6pm

Sweet Love, Bitter

The West Coast Premiere of a remarkable film, virtually lost for over 25
years and rediscovered in 1992.  One of the first films to deal honestly
with the bittersweet jazz life.  Based on the last years of Charlie Parker.
Starring Dick Gregory with a gorgeous score by Mal Waldron.  Directed by
Herbert Danska.  (1967)


10/25 8pm

The Voice of Jazz

From the Chertok Archives, a special program of rare film of the greatest
jazz singers: Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Frank Sinatra, Nat Cole, Dinah
Washington, Peggy Lee, and many, many others.  Includes Tony Bennett singing
"I Left My Heart in San Francisco" to Judy Garland.

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From: templon@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jeffrey Templon)
Subject: Re: Robben's New Album (was Re: Robben Ford fans)
Organization: NIKHEFK
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:56:25 GMT

templon@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jeffrey Templon) writes:


>I picked up the album this weekend.  It's called "Robben Ford and
>The Blue Line".  I found it to be quite good!  It has a
>sort of "sophisticated blues feel" to it; it sticks mainly
>to blues-based progressions but you can tell the man has
>listened to and played lots of fusion.  I'd certainly

I forgot to mention that although Robben (and band member Roscoe
Beck) were the producers, Chick Corea was the "executive
producer".  So maybe this explains some of the fusion feel
that sort of wafts in and out of the disc.

					JT
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From: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo)
Subject: Re: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Organization: The Poto Mitan in the Houmfor
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:27:54 GMT

> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson):
> [ WTJU, Charlottesville, VA, has ] A very braod definition of jazz, too,
> which has included "blues" and "gospel" shows {a side note--would we be
> able to discuss gospel in rec.music.blues, or would we be run out of town
> for violating the newsfroup?}. 

It ought to be clear by now what I think. For additional info, last
Saturday during my radio show (WCPR, Hoboken, NJ -- you can't hear it,
unless you get 60 Hz from the campus power plant, sigh) I played
a gospel and gospel-influenced set that intermixed Mahalia Jackson,
Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding, Sam Cooke. Closed it with the Uptown
String Quartet's achingly beautiful reading of "Amazing Grace." I
only wish I'd brought some Amina Claudine Myers records.

-- 
Marcel-Franck Simon             	mingus@usl.com, usl!mingus

	" Papa Loko, ou se' van, ou-a pouse'-n ale'
	  Nou se' papiyon, n'a pote' nouvel bay Agwe' "
From: errol@hpgnd153.grenoble.hp.com (Errol Inan)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:26:18 GMT
Subject: All Of You
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, GND
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote

Can anyone recommend a version of "All of You" that is as close as possible to
what might be considered the "standard" version of the tune?

There's a copy of it in the Real Book.  I was comparing it to the Miles Davis
recording, "Friday and Saturday Nights At the Blackhawk (S.F.)", where Wynton
Kelly is on the piano (wonderful, I might add) and it seems that the Real Book
changes are not even close.

It's not covered in any of the Jamey Abersold books, nor in the New Real Book.

I guess I should probably just figure it out off the record.  The problem is
it's hard to know if the recording I transcribe is really what most people
use (ya know, the old bass player, piano player saga).

Thanks in advance.  - Errol
From: US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Robben Ford fans
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:22:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: VM.16874D852.US30139
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY

Did any Ford fans catch him on The Tonight Show Wednesday night playing
with Branford's band?  I saw only the last 15 minutes of the show, and
he played only going in and out of commercials on air.
 
For anyone who saw the whole show, was he featured elsewhere on the show
besides commercial breaks?  If so, was his band with him?
 
Is his new album released yet?
 
PS  Someone wrote a while back that he has a new audio tape/book out on
blues chords.  Anyone know the title?  the publisher?
 
And finally has anyone seen his new video yet Blues and Beyond?
 
Suffering through my Ford fixation,
 
Mike James (US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU)
 
and yes I have heard jokes about Fords and Jameses not getting along.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:45:51 GMT

by785@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Gibson) writes:
>I'd love to see a newsgroup dedicated to
>jazz and jazz only.

Okay, so no more B.B. King, John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson and SRV.
Great.  That'll clean the air!

But, when you say "jazz and jazz only", does this mean no more Shakti,
Bela Fleck, Steve Reich, Wendy Carlos, Santana, Joni Mitchell?

Anxiously waiting for the decision of the Committee On Purity,

--Gidi
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: So Few
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:20:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Do any of you know if Steve Potts has made any appearances on record
other than with Lacy?  Come to think of it, where is Potts from, and
how did he hook up with Lacy?

Ben
From: seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:31:01 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcserv.wustl.edu



Why don't we just start a new group, r.m.b.split to discuss the
merits/disadvantages to splitting up r.m.b and leave r.m.b to
discussing the music :-)
Just my $.02
-Jeff
From: dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:24:11 GMT



I'm inclined to agree with Richard Shapiro; the volume of postings
is now such that we should sub-divide the newsgroup. Nostagia for
the name 'bluenote' not withstanding...


David Faciane        | "I was just singing it in the toilet so I think
dave@ray.met.fsu.edu |  I should get it --Lennon, Abbey Road, 1965
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: gavind@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Gavin Dixon)
Subject: MINGUS favs.
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:06:51 GMT

I am about to expand my Mingus CD collection (stands at 1 for the moment) and
would like to know people's favourites (and one's to avoid). Any good CD box
sets? Anythings about to be released? Please email.

Thanks in advance

gavin

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From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Subject: Re: nothing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL6]

: Am I hallucinating, or are half the people who post to this group 
: really named Jeff?

Great.  Just after I get the folks on rec.sport.baseball to recognize the
Importance Of Being "Dave", I have to change my .signature to add the middle-
pseudonym "Jeff", just to keep up with the Joneses.

--
Marc "Jeff" Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Erroll Garner
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:55:30 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <BvDwGL.ACs@dcs.ed.ac.uk> bruns@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Glenn Bruns) writes:
>I've been enjoying an Erroll Garner CD recently called 'Body and
>Soul', part of the Columbia Masterpieces series.  Twenty shortish
>tunes, mostly standards, with a hint of drums and bass in the
>background.  The recordings, from about 1952, have been cleaned
>up and sound good to my ears.
>
>Could someone recommend other Erroll Garner albums, or other albums in 
>a similar style.  Living in Edinburgh, I'll only be able to find
>mainstream recordings.  Is the Garner disk in Verve's Compact Classics
>series good?  The other Garner disks in the Columbia Masterpieces series?

My memory is a little bit shaky on this point, but I seem to recall that
Erroll Garner's ``Concert by the Sea'' album (on CBS) held the title of
all-tim best selling jazz album for many years.  Depending on your tastes,
that is either a favorable mark or unfavorable.  Noteworthy sells it for about
$8.
From: mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: blues in jazz, jazz in blues, and asinine politics
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:59:23 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep28151033@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com
(Richard Shapiro) writes: 
>  Categories are just organizational aids, nothing more
>(and nothing less). If they facilitate discussion, they're useful.
>
   I do not believe that splitting *.bluenote will facilitate any
discussions.  You have not convinced me that the group SHOULD be
re-organized.  
   Just because you can draw a line does not mean that you have to.
   
>
>Blues" as a category may be
>arbitrary, but it's not meaningless. Its usage is well-established,
>and the fact of the matter is, lots of jazz doesn't fit that usage.
>
   Did you really read Sandeep's article?
   Jazz is not blues.  No-one said it was.
   It is, however, inextricably bound to the blues.  

There are only two ways to classify types of music.  
 Only the third way works. 

Peace and flatted thirds,
-mike


-- 
There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist:
  the fashionable non-conformist.   -ayn rand
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From: ghosal@navier.stanford.edu (Sarbajit Ghosal)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Reply-To: ghosal@navier.UUCP (Sarbajit Ghosal)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:32:28 GMT

In article <9209262324.AA01229@ray.met.fsu.edu> dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane) writes:
>
>
>I'm inclined to agree with Richard Shapiro; the volume of postings
>is now such that we should sub-divide the newsgroup. Nostagia for
>the name 'bluenote' not withstanding...
>
>
>David Faciane        | "I was just singing it in the toilet so I think
>dave@ray.met.fsu.edu |  I should get it --Lennon, Abbey Road, 1965


This view is soundly seconded :)

After reading this newsgroup for about six months and watching the
traffic grow, it appears that the scope of blues-jazz `crosstalk' is
remote. I suspect most of the blues fans (i.e., fans of Stevie Ray
Vaughn, Albert Collins, B.B. King) do not care too much for the music
composed by Muhal Richard Abraham dedicated to Muddy Waters, or
Mingus' Blues and Roots, or for that matter, Roland Kirk's Blue Rol.
Same idiom, different interpretation ?! Of course, I may be totally
off-track here :)

Yet the volume has definitely grown......

-------------------------
sarbajit ghosal
ghosal@navier.stanford.edu
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Joy Spring by Clifford Brown
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1992Oct5.152450.20368@PA.dec.com>, austin@decisv.ucs.dec.com (Cathy Austin) writes:
>I'm in the process of learning "Joy Spring" on the piano.  Does anyone know 
>any artists that have recorded this tune?  I know he did it with Max Roach
>but I can't seem to find it in the record or CD bins.
>
>Thanks,
>Cathy A.

Cathy,

Here are a few recorded versions of "Joy Spring" that I'm aware of:

Artist(s)        Title                             Label          Catalog Number
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anthony Braxton  Seven Standards 1985, Volume 1    Magenta        MCD-0203
Clifford Brown   Jazz Immortal Featuring Zoot Sims EMI-Manhattan  CDP 7 46850 2
Brown/Roach      Clifford Brown & Max Roach        EmArcy         814 645-2
Roach/Brown      Daahoud                           Mobile Fidel.  MFCD 826
Coryell/Remler   Together                          Concord Jazz   CCD-4289
Manhattan Trans. Vocalese                          Atlantic       81266-2
McCoy Tyner      Things Ain't What They Used To Be Blue Note

Plus, of course, the new Sandoval tribute to Clifford Brown on GRP, which has 
already been mentioned.

-Lynn

< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)  >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110       >
From: jmh@morgana.pubserv.com (Jeff Helgesen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Copied Music Styles, Re: Where is Jazz?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:56:53 GMT

In <1992Sep29.025124.16426@athena.mit.edu>, femibyte@athena.mit.edu
(Olufemi G Anthony) writes:

> Excuse me, Mr Makala, but being the Pan-Africanist that I am,  I am of
> the opinion that reggae and jazz have their roots in Africa and hence
> are essentially African.
> 
> Femi.

Excuse me, Mr. Anthony, but the roots of jazz music extend beyond Africa.

Techniques of composition and improvisation theory in jazz from the
1920s (arguably earlier) to the present are direct offshoots of
European music theory.

Jazz music as we know it today would be dramatically different
without the fusion of influences of West African performance and 
teaching practices with the influences of European harmony and
instrumentation.

					Jeff
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