From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Japanese invasion
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:35:04 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

c60a-aa@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Ka-Chung Wong) writes:

>Orgainzation: University of California, Berkely
>Distribution: world
>Keyword: Hope

>>I'm inclined to think China would have done the same to Japan if
>>they'd had half the chance. I don't see any reason to believe that
>>Chinese value Japanese lives any more than Japanese value Chinese
>>lives. We know your gov't doesn't value its own citizens lives so why
>>should we expect otherwise? Lucky for Japan they were on the offensive
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>>instead of the defensive, and that China was still too backward to be
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>>a threat.
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>I'd like to tell the very poorly-informed Mr. Perry that China is not always 
>like the way it is. Since the beginning of human civilization China has
>been the most sophisticated and civilized nation on earth.  Until several 
>hundreds years ago, Japan was China's subordinate, culturally and politically.
>You are assuming that, in invading China and other Asian countries, Japan was
>merely doing what China would have done if given the chance.  The fact is 
>that, China had the chance to colonize all the neighboring countries but did
>not do so, for several thousands of years!  Moreover, Japan is only a hilly 
>country with minimal natural resources.  Why would China want to invade her?
>Please study some Chinese history before you speak about WWII and China.

I wonder if the "great wall" a sign of chinese nature of defensive. This
might be one of the reason China was weak in morden history which offensive
considered to be the main stream.

>>So Tianmen Square is in the Chinese junior high school books now is
>>it? The parents who paid for the bullets to execute their sons and
>>daughters have been compensated? The agony in their hearts made
>>better?  Oh, please. Spare me. You can't even apologize among
>>yourselves and you expect an apology from a foreign country. You can't
>>even uncover your own coverups and you seek to expose another's.
>>That's the point being made.

>The June forth Massacre was a bloody and ugly chapter in Chinese history. 
>And we shall always remember the blood and lives of the students in China.
>And, yes, Chinese are under oppression of the few old men.  Just because 
>China is dictated by the communists does not mean the majority of Chinese
>would like to see the students died such horrible death.  It is
>highly ridiculous to say that since China is so backward and those old men 
>are so repressive, and since Chinese are suffering greatly under the current
>government, the Japanese invasion is not worth mentioning.  Apologize to 
>China does not equal denoucing the human rights.  Also, may I remind you that 
>there are a lot of Chinese all over the world, whom suffer greatly in WWII.

>........
>>Japan has it's faults but has essentially denounced militarism. It
>>sounds like they've learned *something*. Where are China's nuclear......
>>-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
>>               CompuServe:  70402,3020
>>               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266

>Had Japan denouced militarism, all the Japanese prime ministers would not 
>have paid tribute to the WWII Japanese generals and other military leaders
>at one point or the other;  the textbook would not have renamed the invasion as
>"enter"; Japanese would have taught their children some truth about the War.

>Mr. Perry's meaness and cruelty in his article shocked me.  We are talking 
>about millions of lives being murdered and tortured, infants being thrown in
>the air and stabbed, women aging from eight to eighty being raped, men being
>used in chemical weapons experiments.... 

>All that we are demanding is just a simple apology.

>We are not promoting hatred.  Rather, we are trying to let the generations
>to come to know the truth.  And hopefully, our children do not have to suffer
>as our fathers and grandfathers had.

>Leo Wong
>c60a-aa@volga.berkeley.edu

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