HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: US National Debt
Date: 23 Jul 1992 09:20:27 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: oporto.cs.utexas.edu


Interested in the US National Debt?  - It's $3,993, 287,737, which
means with a population of around 250 million, each US citizen would
have to pay around $15,000 to pay off this debt.

(Note: the above snap-shot was taken at 9:10 am on July 23, 1992)

In fact, you can watch this national debt rising every second using
xdebt.  Use archie to track it down.

Flames/Questions to shubu@cs.{utexas,wisc}.edu.

Luck!
-Shubu


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ravikane@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ravindra Shantaram Kane)
Subject: Re: Kannadigas,Tamils, Bongs etc etc.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:09:16 GMT

this is a test


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vkhanzo@eng.clemson.edu (vivek khanzode)
Subject: Test
Keywords: TEST
Reply-To: vkhanzo@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:30:21 GMT

This is a test
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:52:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.144257.8061@ctr.columbia.edu>, me@comstore.uark.edu 
(My Account) writes...
>..... (drivel deleted) .....

  Hi guys and gals !!!!

  Kind'a seems that Arindam and Aditi are made for each other.  (The names
  rhyme at least !!!!). Bhadralok (Arindam) and Bhadramahila (Aditi) story.
  I would be dissapointed if they don't make it for some reason or the other.

  My suggestion: Let these people play the game as they are doin' it. Leave
                 the Jammat/commi-analysis to me !!! Fair enough, eh ???

  What d'ya say folks ???? BTW, I have the part 2 of my Marxist analysis
  ready; I am looking up a good book to verify some facts. 

  On a second thought, I feel that perhaps we should not for decency's sake
  bash the commis and shove it up their *a .... * ! I was reading the part 2
  and found it quite offensive, not, abusive - as many readers have complained.
  BTW, it will contain some startling facts, so roll up your sleeves. 

  Special note: Aditi Sen and Arindam Ghosh should not not read the posting.

  Flames/ comments ???? To post or not to post - that's the goddamn question !

   - deb chatterjee
   (a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raj@capri.sni-usa.com (Raj Alur)
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Reply-To: raj@capri.sni-usa.com (Raj Alur)
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Information Systems, Inc. Cambridge, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:03:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.004536.9198@menudo.uh.edu>, nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes) writes:
|
|> 
|> The West or the rest of the world will not make the change for us. It is we
|> who have to make the change - become international competitors in various 
|> fields, including sports. We cannot expect anyone to have a good view of
|> us if we have not proven ourselves in the world. 
|> 
|> In order to prove ourselves we must first have belief that we can make it. We
|> must become restless and hardworking and always be on the go. Then maybe in 
|> 1996 they will have something better to say about us!
|> 
|> Chetan Nagappa

Vow! what a reaction to a sports commentrator's ignorance!

---
Raj

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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 13:36:27 MST
From: <ICKUL@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MEN of EASTERN origin

Please do not make any rash generalizations!  I am female, but I would
have to disagree with your generalizations.  We are all individuals,
and should be judged individually.Quite a number of Eastern men
are scums, but on the other hand, I know many others who are the
reverse.  It is a good policy to be cautious with new acquaintances,
but if you only look for negative qualities in people, you will
generally confirm your ideas.
From: sonjai@eng.umd.edu (Sonjai Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Narmada
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:27:21 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: sonjai@coke.eng.umd.edu


  Hi. I have this question about the Narmada valley project. Could you please
 send me some info regarding when it started, it's environmental effects and
 its financial sources.  My geographic instructor was raising some very          controversial and I would like some info for a possible defense.

	  Thanks a lot in advance. Please send the replies to 
   Sonjai@eng.umd.edu
From: RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MEN of EASTERN origin
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:37:40 GMT
 <1992Jul21.201946.5323@colorado.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Jul21.201946.5323@colorado.edu>, manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU
(Njan) says:
>
>In article <1992Jul21.140951@daffy.mc.ti.com> a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com         )
>(savithri
>writes:
>
>YACD!
>
>Njan

Rare it is but I agree completely. Savithri(what a beutiful name) you need to g
o wash your mouth out with some strong stuff. The Bile you pour out is due to W
GHAT?? By being so extreme you have not been able to make some legitimate point
s about MCP's of Desi vintage. In any case I don't intend to try to change your
 mind. If you actually feel the way you do YOU NEED HELP!!!! If you are a ficti
onal person Shame on You!

rajagopalan
I yearn for the land of the mystic lotus om!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: ARE ALL WESTERN MEN GENTLEMEN ? (Re: MEN OF EASTERN ORIGIN
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.175320.14834@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
[..]
>clubs in the west about their bust and buts ? Many more than in the buses in 
>the east.

1] Yeah and some indian women are even being taunted about their ifs. :-)
   Horrible. Indeed despicable.

>
>e) Did you know that number of x-rated clubs with women dancing nude or half
>naked far exceed in the west than in the east ?
>
>f) Did you know that the number of x-rated magazines/films with vivid displays
>of nude and half bare women (if you consider it atrocities against women -some
>women don't) far outnumbers the same in the east ?

2] So thats where you have been these many months. :-)

[...]

>
>Times have so changed in some places in the world that the balance is
>now in favor of women. Men are complaining of atrocities against them
>by women ...

3] Ahem, do you mean on a.f.a.v. or the rest of the world. ? :-)

>
>
>> savithri
>
>peace,
>
>Alok
>
>

4] Just keeping the motors running, alok.
   This response in no way endorses ms. savithri's view.
   Ram Lakhan should have been around for this one.

5] Stay Cool.
   Ram Lakhan lives.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: The olympics and Bob costas
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:24:11 GMT


Hmmm...I wonder what Connors has been doing lately. Michael Chang
hasn't gotten any tickets for speeding. Borg was just happy to be
smokin' balls. Perhaps, John McEnroe, in spite of his seniority, is
not chewing gum on the court or picking nose in between balls. Did
anyone ever wonder what Ramesh Krishnan would be doing in between
balls? Surely he is not packing his nose with tobacco or loading
cannon balls into his racket.  But then, he isn't young any longer.
Unlike McEnroe or Connors, he plays for himself and not for the media.

In article <1992Jul30.135409.2349@cs.umn.edu> prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>Getting 'frustrated' is not equivalent to 'not assured of 
>winning'. Ramesh never gave anyone scares.

But by being there, he gives lots of Indian people back home shames,
for not trying!


Murthy
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MEN of EASTERN origin
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:21:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.822
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

What happened to SAVITHRI? No postings from her(?) on this or
another subject?

Just Curious!

---Sreehari.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:11:44 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

Hey all of you guys cribbing about Bob Costa's comments and
repeating again and again that India does has astro turf in
Delhi, Benglore, Chandigarh ..etc etc.

Have you ever thought that his comments, obtained through
researchers, are merely a reflection of what Indians (off-
icials, players, and media) themselves quote as the prima-
ry reason for their fall from the old glorious days ?

In fact Bob Costa did mention that India, with 11 medals in
the olympics, was once a power house in the field hockey and
is recently not doing well because they can not afford to
have astro turfs in India. Does two,three or five astroturfs
in the whole country can be quoted as if Indians have astro
turfs in India ? No. Because like in cricket the real talent
and the contributions to the national lavel game does come
from small towns, private clubs, district and state level
college competitions, and finally colony level play grounds.
How many universities, colleges, local clubs and small and
medium townships have astro turf covered playing facilities ?
None. And that is what Bob Costas may be was refering to in his
comments.

regards..          Deepak
From: cscon112@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Yesterday, when it rained. -- [ Nostalgia ] -- Icarus.
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:48:52 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul27.060423.28788@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
> 1] Yesterday night it rained in boulder.
> 
> 2] Does anybody want me to continue ?
> 
	Yes I want you to continue.

> 3] Stay Cool.

	O.K. Awaiting your story
> 
> 
> 
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Gopal

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:34:53 GMT

>Your note in the first place was an exercise in futulity, and you knew  
>that very well.  It is another instance of Bengali pseudo-intellectualism.  
>We want to do a lot of things, but we know we are uncapable of achieving  
>most of them, because we are unwilling to make the needed sacrifice and I  
>think that it is nothing unusual. Most of us are torn between the need for  
>a financially smooth and apparently luxurious life and the sublime urge to  
>acknowledge our social responsibility. 
>I would like to know, what you are doing in order to start the so called  
>'movement'? If one person at a time is the basis of your concept, let it  
>start from you.--- Aditi 
Yes of course. I am booking the first flight out of this country, right
after graduation.
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dawar@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Justice Bains - Letter from Canada Trade
Summary: A letter to Dr. Goodman from Canadain External Affairs...
Keywords: Justice Bains, Human Rights, Punjab
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:00:45 GMT

BULLETIN			 Number 24, July 15, 1992.
Committee for the Release of Justice Ajit Singh Bains.

Issued by Dr. Jeffrey Goodman - Canadian Coordinator
	  76 Rusholme Rd., Toronto, Ontario M6J 3H5
	  Tele/Fax Number: (416) 537-8142

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL TRADE CANADA EXPRESSES CONCERN

External Affairs and International Trade Canada
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0G2

Mr. Jeffrey Goodman
Canadian Coordinator
Committee for the Release of Justice Bains
76 Rusholme Road
Toronto, Canada M6J 3H6

July 6, 1992

Dear Mr. Goodman:

The Secretary of State for External Affairs, the Honourable Barbara
McDougall, has asked me to reply to your letter of April 20, 1992 to the
Prime Minister, regarding your concerns about the arrest of Justice Ajit
Singh Bains in India.

The Canadian government was made aware of the arrest of Justice Bains, a
highly respected human rights activist, by the Canadian High Commission in
New Delhi.  Officials have been following the situation closely.

The Canadian High Commissioner to India, Mr. John Paynter, travelled to the
Punjab at the end of May, and expressed the Canadian government's concern
about the arrest of Judge Bains to a wide range of officials there.  Senior
officials of this Department have also made representations on this matter
to the Indian High Commissioner to Canada.

The human rights situation has been a long-time concern for the Canadian
government.  Canada has made numerous representations to the Indian
government concerning reported human rights abuses in that country.  You may
be assured that we will continue to do so when appropriate.

Thank you once again for writing to express your concerns.

Yours sincerely,

J.J. Scott
Director
Asia Pacific South Relations Division
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: proy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Partha Roy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:36:16 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: proy@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu


Okay, I guess another round of 'Commie bashing' is coming to an end.  What has come out of it ?  Nothing really, some netters have capitulated to communist presence in Bengal, others are outright belligerent and want to launch a full 
scale war.  Deb chaterjee has run to the extreme right and is convinced that he has found the solution to the problem.  I want to believe that Deb is really worried about the situation in Bengal and he wants to mend it.  I like reading what Deb writes about Calcutta and Communists but I am inclined to agree with Nilanjan Sarkar that his methods are too extreme.  

The communists must be removed from power, but what is going to be put in ?  If the communists are replaced by the right wingers, I suspect another set of problems are going to crop up and no real problem is going to get solved.

There are some on the net who will say 'Calcutta is doomed, I don't care, I don't
want to get involved.'  To these people I say ' Hey, that's just fine, have a great life !'.  But I DO CARE, I want to stand up and say I want to help the good people who are fed up with the status quo.  I want things to change.  I believe Bengal has great potential, great talent.  I don't want to see my people perish.  

Others will say 'the problems are huge and complex, it's impossible, you are a dreamer', I say let's put Bengals best brains to work, it's a great challenge, yes, but that's what the best brains want, to solve a problem that remains unsolved.  Above all, I refuse to accept defeat, every time I get knocked down I will get up and fight again and again and again.

Apart from a think tank, we need a real leader, a guy who is smart, open minded and believes that Bengal can be great again.  Somebody who is not afraid to stand up to the bullies, somebody who will listen to all the voices and do what is good for the people.  Is there such a person in Bengal today?  I don't know, I want to think there is but he is probably disillusioned, the communists have probably tried to destroy him.  I believe things can change if everybody lends a helping hand.  Massive amounts of m



oney have to be injected into the state to set up high technology, state of the art industries.  People will find employment, this in turn will draw them away from useless party politics.  

This is a great challenge.  A group of highly dedicated, highly motivated people is needed, but the rewards are enormous.  I wonder, how many of you are willing to stand up and say yes, I care, I want to help.

Finally, I am not indulging in pure rhetoric, neither do I have any political aspirations, I am fed up with Jyoti Basu, I am mad as hell, I want to help change things.  I know many of you have great ideas.  Let's hear it.  Bengal is in a crisis today, let's lend a helping hand.

Partha Roy.

   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Family values, premarital sex, etc.
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 19:45:08 GMT

nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>	Although the statistics on single parents on the US is 
>startlingly high (about 50% black babies and 25% white babies are born to
>sinle mothers), it does *not* mean that there is a collapse of family values
>and it would be unfair to write-off an entire society because of this.

Sweden for one has done well enough despite a large number of single
mothers.  According to Posner, the state there is like a surrogate
father, and takes on the responsibility of providing for the child.
In fact, even in this country if you correct for the poverty of single
parent families, it is not clear that having a father around is all
that big a deal.

>kid. Most single parenting in the US is caused by the male spouse abdicating
>his responsibility as a father, and not due to an external relationship by his
>mate.

Talk about abdicating responsibilities.  Did you read in the NYT about
the guy who had three women simultaneously, at the same time, carrying
his offspring.  I mean the fellow is not abdicating his responsibility
as a father, but as three fathers.

>	You guys think family values in India are so great. What about the
>cheap brothels in the big cities of India? Statistics show that most men who
>visit these fat prostitutes are *married* men. Rather disgusting, don't you
>think?

Why disgusting?  Because they are fat or that they are prostitutes?

Sanjoy Ghosh
ghosh@csrd.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:03:13 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Western Rhetoric
Summary: soc.culture.indian
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

The West cannot forceably impose its will on India  and a couple of
other developing countries today. What they do use, to
differentiate themselves from 'developing countries', is rhetoric
(like many SCI nettors;). Since they cannot physically beat China
and India into submission today they used every other (the only
other) mean of proving their 'superiority' - RHETORIC. They make
every attempt to ridicule poorer nations (This could also be due to
the 'fear of poverty' which 'forces' them to want to
differentiate). It is up to U not to be extremely disturbed by it
and to carry on doing what U do best. Lets hope the people at home
are not made to believe that they cannot have the best facilities
in time. Lets hope Indians believe that they can become one of the
major 'sporting' powers in the world with time.

On the same note - What are the chances of India winning any
medals? Could someone either post/email information on the
composition of the team and the likely chances in different events-
Thanx.

Cheers 
John Ainikkal
from
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: REKHI@PURCCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Need Olympic Hockey sched
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:47:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

I know it was posted a week or so ago, could some kind soul send it
directly to me. thanks in advance rekhi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Coming soon: American West (was: Olympics Opening Ceremony)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:19:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.172312.104258@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha14.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>
>I am mightily puzzled about this Sholay business. Even though I have seen
>Sholay 4-5 times, I have not noticed any reference to America at all, leave
>alone the American West. And, for your information, Sholay scarcely bears
>any resemblance to the American West. It is based on real-life dacoits who
>used to and still do, terrorize regions of Central India. No natives are 
>killed or educated, or starved by hunting down buffaloes. Nope, it is the
>simple good.vs.evil story with lotsa guns thrown in. So any basis for comparison
>with the American West can exist only in your imagination. Maybe you have been
>working too hard at India bashing :) and I suggest you take a well deserved
>break :).

You've seen this 4-5 times?  Does you Alzheimers disease cause you to forget
things you've done once or twice?  Who teaches you anew each day to tie your
shoelaces?

Since you are in the late stages of this neurodegenerative disease you would
also say that "Sholay" bears no resemblence to "The Magnificent Seven" (granted
this was itself a copy of another movie)  Instead of wasting so much time
seeing one movie over and over again try viewing "The Magnificent Seven," a 
western in which some gunslingers arrive in a rural Mexican village to protect
them from bandits (sound familiar?)  "Sholay" is what Rushdie was referring to
when he wrote in "Satanic Verses" that every Indian actor must remake "The
Magnificent Seven."  This may not help you anyway, since you would forget it
immediately after reading it.

One more suggestion to help you in your senility, whenever you go to a movie,
save the ticket stub so that you will know you have seen it once; but real-
istically, I don't expect you to remember that helpful hint.

Ed