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From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Subject: Re: serpant
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: aboriginal culture
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:19:00 GMT

In article <higgins.13.719116600@rmit.edu.au>, higgins@rmit.edu.au (RichardHiggins) writes...
> 
>				In Australia we have some awesome old 
>creatures. Some aboriginal tribes here believe that when you come across 
>suddenly eye to eye with a snake whatever thought was in your mind at the 
>time will be implanted into your deep.....
>patterns later. I can only assume that this is due the hypnotic affect of 
>snakes as they can tap into this deeper part of yourself - they open up the 
>gateway from your conscious self to your unconscious self, hence a lot of 


sort of a snake catalyst, or a mirror for autonomous thought vectors. 
MSB 


Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: evil and dualism
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:24:11 GMT

In <1992Oct6.172339.17278@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:

>Maybe Satan is God on a bad day...  

Clark Ashton Smith had the idea too. 

Ollie/lucifuge..

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From: cigp07@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Liber AL vel Legis PostScript on slopoke
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:31:49 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

I have uploaded a quickly hacked together PostScript version of Liber AL vel
Legis onto slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com:/pub/magick/INCOMING/220.ps.

This was written using LaTeX, an ASCII file of Liber AL, a couple of scans, and
about 2 hours of my time.

Comments or errors to me.
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What is real??                           - Principia Discordia
From: oispeggy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: (was: NEED HELP.) now Vampires
Keywords: alt.vampyre  list vampyres@guvm
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct11.170305.2401@news.ysu.edu>, af052@yfn.ysu.edu (Richard A. Marshall) writes...
> 

RE: alt.vampyre or list vampyres@guvm

>   I too am familiar with the list since 91.  At first, I considered
>it a humourous trip for the mind.  But, there were a couple of posts
>and a couple of people who invited me to rethink my initial and hasty
>judgement.
> 
>   You just never really know until you experience it yourself, do you?

What is that supposed to mean?

- Peggy -
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:31:11 EDT
From: <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Changing times and magick.
 <1992Oct13.064302.26611@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>

Does anyone have any thoughts on the old story of " As time progresses,
there will be more mages around..etc."  It seems that I run into more and more
people who practice the arts.  Then again, maybe i'm just getting out more...
It seems that some believe that as years go by, the use of magick will grow
tremendously..and then fade out, and this goes on in a cycle.  Any ideas on
this?  Opinions?
                  later, gersha

                        Smitty.
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Proof of Magic
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:01:19 GMT
Organization: California State University, Sacramento


   Let's say that a group of 5 sceptics -- maybe the Amazing Randi, the
Editor of *Scientific American* and others -- challenged you to
demonstrate to them that magick exists and works.  Could you devise a
situation that would satisfy the sceptics that magick is something more
than wishful thinking?  How would you do it?
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: meditation techniques for Merlin Tarot
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:53:20 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK


Ok, due to popular demand here it is.  

FLAME ON

I'd first like to
say to all you in-crowd flamers that I think that you are
all a bunch of losers, that don't have a clue concerning
what magick is about and I think the world would be a lot
better off without you.

FLAME OFF

This is the stuff from RJ Stewart's workshop I attended two weeks
ago on Merlin Tarot and Meditation.  This is for meditating on the
trumps only.

When meditating, 

1. Don't use intense concentration
2. Let your mind wander up and down and through the card
3. First have your eyes open, then have your eyes closed.
4. Build the image of the card in your mind without stepping
into it.
5. Then step into the card, feel the ground, temperature, smell the
smells
6. Set the card up about 10 feet away from you, take three steps
towards it, imagine yourself walking into the card, sit behind it
and meditate on being inside it, then walk out of the card.

Other techniques,

If there is a path on the card, walk your way up it.  Work your
way through the card


 Dissolve the physical forms and concentrate on the powers and energies
of the card


Once inside the card turn around and look back out, it will give
you a different perspective.  Write your experiences down and
meditate on them.

General pattern

IN->Forms->energies->out

It doesn't have to be for a long time.

Meditate on the card before you go to sleep.  It can make
you dream about the card.  Look at it again as soon as you 
wake up.  Write down your dream and meditate on it.

When inside the card ask the people for advice if you wish.
Pick a card that feels relevant to your problem.

Have fun,

Chris
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: A.O.Spare Pics
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:24:15 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <1992Oct8.173135.11090@julian.uwo.ca> jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen) writes:
>I am looking for gifs of A.O.Spare's artwork - specifically 
>those of the interesting creatures he drew. Don't bother to 
>send them to me - just upload them to 
>slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com as they would probably of
>interest to all.
>

 I want 'em too. Please put them on the site...

Wassail,
Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
    /\  /\       +----------------------------------------+
   /__\/__\      | "I know that I hung on the windy tree  |          |
  /\  /\  /\     |  all of nights nine, wounded by Gar,   |          |
 /__\/__\/__\    |   given to Odhinn, myself to myself,   |          |
    /\  /\       | upon that tree of which none can tell  |          |
   /__\/__\      |      from what root it rises."         |    ______|______
                 +----------------------------------------+
From: higgins@rmit.edu.au (RichardHiggins)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: serpant
Keywords: aboriginal culture
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:36:40 GMT
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: ao.edc.rmit.oz.au


				In Australia we have some awesome old 
creatures. Some aboriginal tribes here believe that when you come across 
suddenly eye to eye with a snake whatever thought was in your mind at the 
time will be implanted into your deep unconscious. If this  thought was a 
negative thought it could then affect your unconscious feeling/ belief 
patterns later. I can only assume that this is due the hypnotic affect of 
snakes as they can tap into this deeper part of yourself - they open up the 
gateway from your conscious self to your unconscious self, hence a lot of 
the connections to the feminine and primal/instinctual part of nature. 
Certain (the older have more power in this) snakes use this hypnotic effect 
to catch their pray they literally become stunned with the suggestions/
sensations(whatever..) feelings coming in through from their unconscious.

			Hope this may be of interest to some of you

			richard
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Magick for emotional turmoil. HELP!!
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:02:58 GMT

What I'm looking for are some techniques that can help me get ahold of
myself so I can take charge and do something, because right now I'm
in such a jolted state that I can't think or operate very clearly.

Chris

^^^^^^^^
o.k. chris .. listen very carefully.. go out to a bar with some really good friends ... 
have a good time with them and flirt with some girls ... seriously .. this helps ...
the worst thing u can do is meditate over this ... i believe the only thing that can be done in your situation is to clear it from your head ... 
i am talking from experience ... when i was in college i had a situation where i was dumped by someone i loved ...
my friends were worried that i might do something stupid ... 
so they kept me talking and drunk for a week .. 
it helped ... i am not saying to get plastered .. but a few drinks and some flirting will help ... 
 
---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
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 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Is magic useful (was enemy ...)
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<ldpco8INN91o@west.west.sun.com>
	<JJAS.92Oct14203828@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:07:18 GMT


In article <JJAS.92Oct14203828@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu> jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu
(Jason Stephenson) writes:

>   Very interesting.  Are you buddhist?

are buddhists generally unfamiliar with the use of the carriage return key?

josh
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Magickal significance of names written in blood
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:52:31 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, UK


Does anyone out there know the significance of words or especially
names written in blood?  There's a Slayer (death metal) song which claims
that the act of writting ones name in blood constitutes selling your
soul to the devil.   I have also heard rumors that writing someone
elses name in blood puts a curse on them.  Anybody have any info on this?

thanks,

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:11:23 GMT

In <1bl7nlINNs3h@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> lyn@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself) writes:


>  He's back, and he's still asking questions :)

>	Ok, IF one takes Good as an active force (symbol of careing for
>wounds in following example), and Evil as the lack of Good (not doing
>anything for said wounded person), then what is actively wounding a person?

The lack of good in not doing something good for that person but instead
injuring them? Really you center on the word action but this is a not
right IMHO. If I (let's hypothesise) do something evil to someone then
that is simply not doing something good to that person (even if the
good action is inaction).
 
>	Simple question, but I do not believe that there will be a simple
>answer thatr encompasses almost all viewpoints (I would love to be proved
>wrong on this point, however!). Anyway,

Or put another way: even if you choose to make no choice you've still
chosen.

Ollie/Lucifuge...

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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Is magic useful (was enemy ...)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:23:43 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <ldpco8INN91o@west.west.sun.com>, markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe) writes:

> Do your have centering exercises?  Do you have a spiritual teacher

Does anybody see a flame coming? I know some kind soul will cough one up.

> to whom you can go for strength and peace?  Do you have friends 
> with whom you can explore the scope and depth of your situation?
> 
> First regain control of your own mind ... without that you cannot
> be helped.

Well, that's a useful suggestion for anybody...but that first remark still
makes me cringe. Unless we are talking about a "teacher of the spiritual
nature" (i.e. yourself, in practice, usually) it's bad advice.

--Semhaza (The Amigavangelist)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Merlin and Talisein
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:32:47 +0000

Myrddin writes tha Taliesin was SCOTTISH.

I have NEVER heard that before. Please elucidate. Nearly ALL
references are to 'Welsh Bard/druid/mystic/shaman etc'.

What evidence is there that he was scottish?

Or a member of the Scottish court? Most of the poetry translations I
have read would seem to refer to a welsh or possibly Irish cultural
tradition.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson)
Subject: Re: The NET-ronomicon
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:03:02 GMT
Summary: lighten up, it's good for yer health

(pls note the singular newsgroup for this posting)

In article <oerR2Mi00Uh7M5lb9o@andrew.cmu.edu> Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>Can we _please_ put this issue to rest?
>
>In a nutshell, there are several schools of thought on the N.......
>[...]

You forgot the most interesting philosophy, the one that you espouse
yourself:  it is Bad to discuss the N.......

I believe the newsgroup that this philosophy belongs to is
alt.stodgy.old.mages.for.spiritual.purity.

The eminent Colin Wilson has demonstrated that the N......, as a
subject of discussion, can provide great insight about certain pitfalls
on the road to magickal development.  Doubters of this fact are
invited to regard the many followups to his FAQ which warn newbies not
to regard the issue with any seriousness.

Do these people not feel weak after they have worked so hard to lend 
thoughts to others who cannot think for themselves?  Does this
phenomenon only serve to increase the ranks of the latter group?

>Let us ___not___ do a NET version, at least not on alt.magick.

Because I believe the subject belongs here, I respectfully suggest
that you place the subject in your kill file.

Those who require a bit of mystico to legitimize the use of the N.....
are referred to Hassan I Sabbah's Razor:

	Not knowing what is and is not knowing I knew not.

>Kendrick Kerwin Chua

k
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: EVIL! (& Ronald McDonald)
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:50:15 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bvtx94.4IG@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> In article <memo.672190@cix.compulink.co.uk>, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes...
>>oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes..
>> 
>>>My theory is that of a population with no major psychological
>>>problems, those who repress their dark side are more apt to totally
>>>lose it and walk into a crowded McDonalds with a machine gun and open
>>>fire.

[the above is so totally true]
 
>>But is this an evil act, evolution in action, or simply an act of
>>poetry?
> 
> All of the above.  Depends on one's perspective.  The gunner 
> might see it as evolution, poetry, etc...  I'm pretty sure the 
> people being killed would consider it evil.

Probably poetry more than evolution...it's a wonderful expression of justice
(particularly if you're a postal worker).

Now Tylenol murders...there's something I can't figure out. Would those be
evolution?
 
>>There is something very appealing abot the whole concept: McDonalds
>>has _just_ opened here.
> 
> Shootings seem to occur in McDonalds & post offices for some 
> reason.

Usually it's the postal employees.

When I studied social psych, our professor was an aggression specialist and we
talked a *lot* about crime rates and so forth. When I was looking for a job
this summer, even though the Post Office was the only place in the area with a
"Help Wanted" sign up, I refused to apply. Do NOT work at the Post Office; I'm
dealy serious!  :-)
 
Now what does a rabid mailman have to do with magick...?

--Semhaza
From: jjas@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Jason Stephenson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Is magic useful (was enemy ...)
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:38:28 GMT
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA
In-reply-to: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM's message of 14 Oct 92 23:53:44 GMT

Very interesting.  Are you buddhist?
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: EVIL and "dualism
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:27:05 GMT
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT

To whom it may concern:

     My source for A'ain as the first letter of the Hebrew Bible is the 
fairly standard Interlinear Bible, edited by Green and published by 
Hendrickson.

                    Sean Jeffers Mc Nair
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Magickal significance of names written in blood
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:31:08 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct15.102621.15352@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
> In the referenced article, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>
>>Blood is the life force. By signing something in blood, you are signing your
>>life over to Satan, or marshalling (sp?) your life-power to use in casting a
>>curse.
>>
>   Can you please explain what it means to "marshall" my life power in casting
> a curse.  I don't quite understand this terminology.

Hmmm...well, you are using your energy, expressed in the form of blood, as a
source of power for the spell.

You have to understand that this is mostly symbolic (I say mostly because I
don't like to rule things out *entirely*), that the blood is a focus for your
mind to do its thing.

The other post, to the effect that blood is a sacrifice, can also apply. Again,
I believe the effectiveness is due to its symbolic power.
 
--Semhaza
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: more on Merlin (Taliesin)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Followup: alt.mythology

In article <1992Oct13.083552.2768@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, Myrddin@tri.isolatedw.edu.ow (Myrddin) writes...
>I have not read been able to read any of the previous articles in this
>topic but I have one possible error I wish to clear up.
>I hope that you do not think that Merlin was Taliesin.
>Merlin is/was Welsh, whereas Taliesin was a member of the Scottish Court.
>I don't know why he (Taliesin) wrote in Welsh, though I have seen
>supposed examples of this.
>As they are both remnants of an Older race the Welsh and the Scottish
>have many similarities.

It depends on the source whether or not Merlin and Taleisin are 
treated as the same or separate characters.  "Merlin" can also 
refer to a position as well as a person.  There is a discussion 
about this on alt.mythology that you may want to look at.

To add to the confusion, Mabon and Amergin are also similar to 
Merlin and Taliesin.

>If anyone has any examples of mythological similarities or more
>information on Taliesin (pronounced TALLY-AY-SIN) please post it to this
>newsgroup as it is rather difficult to get mail through to my address.

I set followups to alt.mythology.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.horror.cthulhu,alt.horror
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: The NET-ronomicon
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:35:19 GMT

kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) writes:
: Repeat:  Because there are so many viewpoints on the N-con, there is no
: way we can form one definitive compilation or "history" or consensus. 
: Like the abortion debate, everyone is so fixed in their viewpoint that
: discussing it is pointless.  This is why we can't discuss it.  Fanatics,
: radicals, moderates, science fiction fans, those who don't believe, and
: those who have never heard of it can only be annoyed and/or angered by
: such a compilation.

On the contrary - it can still be discussed. It is a work of fiction, there
is little/no doubt about that.

However, that does not matter. Most/all religions are composed primarily
of myth/fiction. So what?

You can build a mythos/religion/lifestyle based around the Necromonicon
if you wish. It will be just as valid as any other viewpoint - for that
person. What it will mean in life depends on the effort and belief put
into the mythos - as well as the person's individual level of mental
balance or imbalance.

: Don't take this in the wrong way.  If you limit the input into a Net-con
: to strictly Lovecraftian sources, or have a non-standard disclaimer
: accompanying the thing, I can see such a work being justified. 
: Otherwise, there is too much controversey and conflict on the subject
: matter, from a fictional and from a magickal point of view.

As I stated above - just because it is a work of fiction does not lessen
its value in a magickal sense. Disclaimers are for reading by other people.
If you need a disclaimer, then maybe you should reconsider the depth of
your belief.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick