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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:08:12 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder) writes:

> Is the resequencing a configurable option?  
> 
> I can see folks missing articles after the numbers have been
> compressed and/or having their join pointers reset because it is now
> greater then the actual number of the messages.

Hmm.. no, it's not configurable. I run it immediately after unbatching
news, before anyone has a chance to get in and read the articles, and
most importantly, BEFORE BATCHING. Thus, say comp.bbs.waffle has 156
articles in the directory.. you unbatch in another 50 articles or so,
and then weed out duplicates. There is no way possible to have anything
less than 156 articles left when done. (Except maybe the first time the
program is run for a given directory) And, the first occurance of the
article is always the one kept, so it doesn't screw up batching. The
join pointers should be ok as well, as any duplicates are going to be
numbered higher than the last read messages anyway.


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:28:39 GMT

In article <is5euB1w165w@1776.COM> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
|Does anybody but me think there may be a privacy issue here? [logging
|passthru mail]

I don't.  All machines on the Internet that I know of log all the mail that
pass through them.  Logs of passthru mail are invaluable when trying to
track down problems, as well as useful for possibly charging the people you
feed by volume/number of messages, if you operate on a cost-recovery basis
or something...

|I.e., does the sender have the right to expect that the interme-
|diate site will do *nothing* but affix its postmark and send the message on 
|its way?

No.

  Bill
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Priv-problem
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:47:37 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis) writes:

> mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:
> 
> > How can I have a user have the priv's to read system-mail (with SYS) but le
> > him be unable to shell to dos ?
> 
> Why not set up the system alias so that he gets a copy too?
> 
>   --G

Or if you want, a single separate account for all assistants combined (in 
addition to their normal account) which gets a copy of mail via aliases,
and then all the assistants could read from one account and reply if needbe,
without having all of them getting the same message and possibly replying.

This is only if you have more than one person who would need this though.

Greg

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From: ssanbeg@visual.spk.wa.us (Scott Sanbeg)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: UUPC 1.11w and NEWS
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:09:00 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market - Spokane, WA

In article <721990124fred.fred@walter.UUCP> fred@walter.UUCP (Fred Walter) writes:
>peter@pgeck.sub.org (Peter Gahbler) writes:
>>With trn I haven't been able to find out how to read old news.
>...
>	1) edit your .newsrc file and change the list of articles read
>	   so that you have none marked as being read.
>	2) trn, g group, and once you are in the group, reading articles, 
>	   use P (as in shift-p) to go to the previous article, and keep
>	   on backing up. Or enter the article number. Or ^P. Or ...

An easier way is to hit shift-U in the newsgroup - this toggles read/
unread article selections.
Scott

 
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: X.400 protocol in waffle ?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:36:01 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:

> 
> To all involved in the development of waffle:
> 
> Will waffle be supporting the X.400 adress-protocol ?
> 
> Michel.

Waffle already supports mail to x.400 addresses.  For example, mail to

        /S=dawson/G=w/C=us/O=bsan/ADMD=bellsouth/@sprint.com

is delivered just as you'd expect it to be.

There's more to making x.400 mail work than simply setting up a Waffle link
to the Internet.  You must have a clear path to the gateway system, e.g.,
sprint.com.  If a system between your site and your nearest Internet hub
decides to munge your email headers, you may get a bounce back, probably
with a file permission error, or possibly with an "execute permission denied"
error.  This is not Waffle's fault, but is rather the result of some rather
boneheaded software upstream side.  I believe some versions of smail choke
on x.400 addresses.


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Priv-problem
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:54:58 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> In article <1992Nov22.153343.354@et.tudelft.nl> mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:
> |How can I have a user have the priv's to read system-mail (with SYS) but let
> |him be unable to shell to dos ?
> 
> Change sysmail() in mail.c to require a lower priv level.  If you don't have
> sources, you can't do it; right now, sysmail() requires priv=9.
> 

Here's how to do it if you don't have the source command.
1. Remove the "shell" line from _system in the extern directory.
2. Add a file, say, TODOS to the extern directory, consisting of the 
following:
  /access=9  /command="c:\dos\%R" /shell
3. For those people you want to have acess to DOS, set the COMMENT in 
their user profile to COMMAND, and for anyone else a non-DOS command.

Voila.

I know this is a kludge, but it works. Note that it would be nicer to 
include /exclude based on the GROUP markers, but access level 9 seems 
to be immune to group restrictions.

Note that there are obvious variations on the above theme. For better 
security, you could have TODOS run an external program that asked for a 
password, and only shelled out on the correct one.

The above solutions relies on ignorance of the non-members, but it 
would be easy enough to increase the crypticity.

Regards


-- 
  Wayne McDougall, BCNU
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:08:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.150618.21522@morpheus.bssi.bls.com> dawson@morpheus.bssi.bls.com (Willard Dawson) writes:
|The proper solution to the join file reset problem is to fix Waffle!  What
|ought to occur, on the occasion that a user's join file indicates an article
|higher than is available, is that Waffle ought to reset the join file line
|to the highest numbered article in the group, such that that article is
|lower-numbered than the previous entry in the join file.

So when you delete all the messages in a newsgroup, and 100 articles come
in, you think that the person who had read up to 1032 should have his JOIN
pointer set to 100, so that he misses 99 new articles?  Or 0, so he gets to
read all 100 new messages?...

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: flower@donald.etdesg.trw.com (Rick Flower)
Subject: WANTED: FTP Site for Unix version of Waffle..
Originator: flower@donald
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:27:51 GMT

Well, I'm looking for an FTP site that has the tar file for the Unix version
of Waffle.. I've poked around on a number of sites, only finding the DOS
version...  I suppose if I have to, I can call up the support system...

Thanx for any info!

-- Rick
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Bug encountered in UUSTAT statistics program.
Keywords: dos waffle 165
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello:

I have been using the new UUSTAT program that was posted here a couple
of months ago to generate USENET statistics which are automatically
posted to a [semi-]local newsgroup.

This program is the greatest thing since sliced cheese (moreso than
bread)!  When combined with statistics from 'SYSMAN', the end result
is a very complete, comprehensive set of stats.

However, there seems to be a slight bug:  I had been using the program
without a problem for several weeks, then this morning when I ran it
(I manually run it daily on a fresh UUCICO file to see what has gone
on during the night) it came up with 'Divide Error'.

I tried it several more times, still coming up with 'Divide Error'.  I
tried it on my "accumulated" UUCICO (as each night's UUCICO file is
deleted, it is first appended to the end of a much larger one which
is then used to produce semi-monthly stats) and it worked perfectly.

So I used an editor and took a look at the UUCICO file.  It was not
difficult to spot the problem.  One of my neighbours (gtm-inc) had
polled me, but somehow some line noise or something struck when it
was identifying itself, and the UUCICO log file had something like:
"Talking to gt~-?@&.  gt~-?@& is unknown to me."

So it appears that if a site is not in the systems file, that UUSTAT
will not operate properly.  Or perhaps if a site has "garbage"
characters then UUSTAT craps out.

This bug is minor, and this problem will probably occur once in a blue 
moon.  However, since I generate semi-monthly stats based on "accumulated" 
UUCICO files (and am planning to generate a yearly summary starting in 
1993), even one such occurrence would prevent UUSTAT from collating the 
statistics.

Thanks to the author for creating _THE_ statistics generator for DOS
Waffle.

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From: tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCP mail processing ethics
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 06:20:51 PST
Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan) writes:

> tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us (Timothy Bowden) writes:
> [...note about a fido/uucp gatekeeper reading mail (deleted...]
> 
> anybody sending mail over anything other than a privtate 
> point-to-point link who thinks their mail is 'really'
> private is dreaming.
 
> you have to assume it's all readable, and therefore
> all could potentially be all read.
 
What was eerie about this action was the trouble the sysop at
the gateway was taking to intercept and read mail, when the
default (I ran the same software) would leave no trace on his
machine at all.  It would ordinarilly pass like a ship in the
night through his node, except that he took pains to copy it
over so he could snoop.

I don't buy the horror stories.  There is a local case of a long-
time suspected purveyor of kiddie porn who was busted after a
year-long sting, but I hardly believe that justifies all the
paranoia I see, specifically in that network.

Probably your system is much more likely to be stolen or
burned or damaged by natural disaster than be confiscated
due to gendarmes tracing contraband...

Interesting side issue comes up.  I connect with four other
machines, and each of them are privately owned, though one
is a special MX hookup agreement with the University.  I
wonder how many Waffle sites are non-institutional individually-
owned home jobbies?  

> >=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >tcbowden@clovis.felton.ca.us - 
> >uunet!scruz.ucsc.EDU!clovis.felton.ca.us!%A
 
> looks like your .sig file isn't expanding right...

Yep, I was just informed the personal sig doesn't expand variables.
I've only been doing this for weeks;  many tricks to learn yet...

Thanks,

Tim

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uunet!scruz.ucsc.EDE!clovis.felton.ca.us!tcbowden
-Join NERDNOSH, a happy gathering of storytellers
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From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: complaints
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 19:57:56 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:

> spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep) writes:
> 
> > chalk@lablues.UUCP (Greg french) writes:
> > 
> > Genius solution. Your post was number 653 here. Go read 653 and tell me
> > what you see. Sheesh.
> 
> Moron. He means message-id, which _IS_ a unique number.

Damn, now I'm going to have to turn Message-Id header lines on so I can
stop quoting.

Excuse: I quoted the above lines cause I dont have the message-Id header
line on.

(Seriously, will you people REALLY search back to the message ID line
instead of wanting quotes? How do you search through News in waffle
anyway?)

/kc


Ken Chasse - Sonic Interzone, Toronto Ont. * Inet: sizone!spooge@ee.ryerson.ca
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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:10:28 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

-> If anyone wishes to receive the latest, greatest, most up-to-date version,
<<of WafHist>>
-> drop me a reply.  It's kinda big:

Kind of tough to do...

> From: MAILER-DAEMON@Pa.dec.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
> Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> bad system name: cs.utexas.edu
> uux failed. code 68
> 554 <dawson@willard.uucp>... 550 Host unknown 
>                      (No such domain (authoritative answer))

Would you mind putting a *working* bang path in your sig?  
So that when your %^$%#$% .UUCP address bounces, we can get in
contact with you anyway.

thanks
  John

PS:  Yes I would like a copy of WafHist.



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From: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: News/mail reader
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:28:25 EST
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

[initial argument deleted]

> Ok, let's have a counter example.  Supposing files are sorted by creation
> date/time (as would apparently be the case with your technique).  Suppose
> there were no new articles, and one was expired.  The users' join files
> are now out of sync:
> 
>     Before unbatching : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
>     After unbatching  : 1, 2, 3, 4

Suppose that the files are not sorted by time/date, only resequenced.
(Renumbered might be a better term)

      Before resequence : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
      Dupes killed      : 1, 2, 4, 5
      After resequence  : 1, 2, 3, 4

No join files are out of sync. I think this is what Kevin meant.

> -----
> Suppose there was one new article, and one was expired.  No change to the
> users' join files, but it now points one too high:
> 
>     Before unbatching : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
>     After unbatching  : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

You seem to be thinking they are numbered from 1 up, which is not really
the case. Take the lowest numbered file in the directory as the base.

     Before unbatching : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
     After resequence  : 2, 3, 4, 5, 6   (as per the expire one, add one)

This works because the lowest numbered files are also the oldest and should
be the first removed by an expire program (assuming my understanding of how
expire programs expire news...)

> > Sounds rather simple to me.
> 
> Too simple, maybe?  I think I'll just avoid re-sequencing my articles.

Yes and no. Simple to do, and users don't wonder why articles jump from
1856 to 1858, etc.. But, bad because :

   1. The INITIAL kill dupes, resequence will screw up the pointers
      no matter what you do. So the first time penalty is high if you
      have many users.
   2. You have to kill dupes, batch for downstream sites, and then
      do the resequence seperately for it to work right.

Also note for it to work right when getting news from multiple sites,
you have to search the article list from the oldest to the newest. If
you kill the dupe that is older, a user may have read it, and when
resequencing will mess up their join file.

> How does re-sequencing enhance the general operation of Waffle?

Aesthetic reasons?

> -- 
> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
> gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
> emory!slammer!willard!dawson
> Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: FIDO gateway!!!
Keywords: FIDO mailer external mail UUCP
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:32:57 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale Weber) writes:

|   Yes, I know BUT how does one know the actual speed when FroDo drops out
| to the batch file?  I never could find a way to do this, but am guessing it
| can be done with enough fiddling.  My method works here when I run FroDo,
| so I didn't fix it.  ;-)

I use different exit codes for each baud rate, and do something like:

:baud300

   set baud=300
   goto gotcall

:baud1200

   set baud=1200
   goto gotcall

:baud2400

   set baud=2400

:gotcall

   waffle online %baud
   set baud=
   goto start

Also, don't forget to set the modem to return modem-to-modem speeds instead
of computer-to-modem speed (ATW1?)


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From: dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.org (Dr. Klaus Wolferts)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: STATUS File
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:38:32 MEZ
Distribution: world
Organization: Ing'Buro f. EDV + Elektronik, D-7500 Karlsruhe 31

randall@proteus.qc.ca (Randall Reid) writes:
  
> ... I need to write a 4DOS batch file that will calculate the number
> of seconds since Jan 1st 1970 
> 
> So far I figured out (by trial and error):
> 
> seconds =  %@eval[%@DATE[%_date]*24*60*60  (seconds between 1980 and today)
>            + %@time[%_time]                (seconds since midnight)
>            + 315576000                     (seconds between 1970-1980)

There were     315532800 seconds from 1/1/70 to 1/1/80 (see below)

>            - 25200]                        (seconds in 7 hours)
> 
> I used 365.25 * 10 * 24 * 60 *60  to compute the seconds from 1970-1980.
> I'm not sure if this is entirely accurate considering leap years.

More accurate (for your calculation) is (365 * 10 + 2) * 24 * 60 * 60 
for the 10 years, where the + 2 result from the two leap years '72 +'76. 
Your calculation would result in 3652.5 (!) days from 1/1/70 to 1/1/80! 
(Take the half day remaining for a super long sylvester party ;-)
 
> The subtraction of 7 hours from the formula seems to yield the correct result
> although I don't understand the significance of this number.  I arrived at
> it purely by emperical means.
>
> So, can someone tell me if and where I'm going wrong in this formula.  I
> can't help but think that the calculations for leap years must be more
> complex.. perhaps requiring some modulo arithmetic.  And I don't understand
> why subtracting 7 hours seems to work.

I don't know how exact the built in date and time calculations are, 
but taking the year with 365.25 days for day or date calculations will  
result in such errors you experienced.

Thus the 7 hour subtraction yields the expected result for the months 
3 to 12/92 only. You will get that correction values changing by 
+/- 6 hours = 0.25 days for every year, because calendar years last 
365 or 366 days on leap years. 

You are quite right using modulo arithmetic for that purpose. 

For a little similiar problem (find the day of week (sun..sat = 0..6) 
out of day (1..31), month (1..12) and year (1..1999)), try do use 
the following (TPascal) formula: 

   WeekDay:= (Year + Year Div 4 - Ord ((Month<=2) And (Year Mod 4 = 0))
               + Ord (Copy ('033614625035',Month,1)) + Day + 6) Mod 7;
Klaus


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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: uucico and a whole lot of other stuff...
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 14:19:35 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF) CENSORS:

> > Peh.  I just edit [ the file in news/alt/hackers ].... works for me.
                     [please DO NOT censor me.  thanks.]

> The idea is that if your a hacker you will figure out how to post to
> alt.hackers, not to tell someone how to do it or to ask someone how to
> do it.  Thats part of the reason that articles which show the Sender: as
> news@rutgers.edu are cancelled.

1) I didn't mention WHAT to edit
2) I KNOW what "the idea is..."
3) I'd much prefer to see some posts from "non-hackers" then the endless test
posts from people giving themselves an ego boost by thinking "wow, I'm a
hacker!  I figured it out!"
4) this doesn't belong in comp.bbs.waffle - take it to mail if you must


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