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From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Subject: Another mainland chauvinist. (Was: HOW can Taiwan become independent?)
Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:13:11 GMT

 > From: zzhang@electron.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
 > Date: 13 Sep 92 19:08:57 GMT
 > Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
 > 
 > Let's suppose Taiwan government does not claim to be the only legitmate
 > government of whole China. Instead, it claims to be a government of only
 > Taiwan and recognizes Communist government. Then will Taiwan be in any
 > different situation than it is now?

Very likely, if Taiwan's Foreign Ministry is able to adopt an even
more flexible approach.

 > IMO, as long as commnunists don't recognize Taiwan government, Taiwan will
 > always be like it is now. Since,  all the countries in the world, when they
 >  established diplomatic relationship with CG(communist government), they
 > recognized Taiwan as a part of China. So, no matter what the Taiwan
 > government calls itself , be it "Republic of China" or "Republic of Taiwan,
 > it will not have any more diplomatic ties with
 > foreign countries--no country will be able to establish diplomatic relation
 > with Taiwan without cutting its tie with Beijing. It would only make CG more
 > hostile toward Taiwan. You see, Taiwan government just can't have their own
 > way-whichever way. Kind of sad, isn't it?
 > ZZZ

Indeed, it is sad. But not because of what you said but because of
why you said what you said. Your mentality is another sad example of
mainland chauvinism: It does not matter what people in Taiwan want,
only what Beijing wants counts.

Yes, NOW most countries recognize Beijing and acknowledge Taiwan is
part of China. But it was not the case twenty years ago and nobody
knows if this will still be the case twenty years from now.

Today even under the aggressive diplomatic suffocation that Beijing
exerts on Taiwan, Taiwan has plenty of "unofficial" diplomatic
relationships with other countries. The diplomatic situation is far
from satisfactory for Taiwanese considering the active trade we have
with many countries. Here is a reality I would like to remind Mr.
Zhang: holding a Taiwan passport is almost always less difficult to
get a visa from the major countries than holding a China passport.

- Allan
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From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: F16s, mainland chauvinistic pigs, etc.
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:50:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158


 > Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
 > From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
 > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:25:01 GMT
 > 
 > The level of bickering had reached a new level with the
 > recent (potential) sales of F-16.  Here is my two cents of worth.
 > 
 > [..very insightful opinioins...]
 > 
 > 3. About the F16's purchase...
 > 
 >    [....]
 >
 >    Personally, if I am a policy maker of USA, I will laugh to the bank: 
 >    not only USA'll get a big fat order, they also have upset the status quo.
 >    So much so that the economic co-operation between mainland and Taiwan might
 >    be slowed down or impaired.  Music to the ears to have a weaken China!

What an insightful article, especially this last paragraph. The U.S.
may set a new record on the number of birds she kills with one stone:
  
Bird 1: To get votes for George Bush.
Bird 2: To help her own faltering economy with the infusion of $4 billions. 
Bird 3: To help her own shrinking military industry stay alive.
Bird 4: Given that: a) Taiwan has no choice but to buy.
	            b) China has no choice but to be aggravated, and
		       possibly to retaliate. 
        To curtail the heavy Taiwanese investments in China and to
	induce new tensions between the Straight.
Bird 5: Given that China may be provoked to wage a trade war with the U.S.
        To slow down the booming Chinese economy.
Bird 6: If Bird 4 and Bird 5 are killed successfully...
        To delay or eliminate the emerging of a new super power.
	
What a smart move on the part of the U.S. to promote her own
interest. Any thoughts on how do Chinese on both sides promote ours?

- Allan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan (Stop Stereotypes)
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:23:05 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

In article 29972@ringer.cs.utsa.edu, cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:

>    You are not as smart as Jewish people. They don't spend huge
> money to buy killing weapons. Instead they buy land, bank, mine
> and industry, you name it.

Please stop using stereotypes of this nature. There are no such things as
good stereotypes. Saying things like "All Jews are rich" and "All
Chinese are good at math" not only ignore the realities of individual
experience, but are also useful tools for racism, conscious and not.
An example of this is the racial exclusion quotas on Asians in 
American colleges. Using arguments like "Of course they have high
GPAs, its a cultural thing. But they're not well rounded.", admissions
officers exclude intelligent, deserving Asians.
From: orb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Norman Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:55:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.79013
Organization: Knights of Amy (Internet Division)

In article <17vv05INN338@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cc015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vito T. Kwan) writes:
>       White males think Asian girls are cute, nice, smile all the time, care
>for their boyfriends, good cooks.
  This is probably #1 reason.  Also, I have noticed that the typical asian
guy is simply not attracted to the average white female as much as the average
white male is to an asian girl.  

______________________________________________________________________________
orb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu              "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
                                     I chose to climb the nearest tree.
                                     And that has made all the difference."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Subject: Re: F-16,pilots.
Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:26:52 GMT

 > From: mth015@marshall.wvnet.edu
 > Date: 11 Sep 92 20:02:57 GMT
 > Organization: Marshall University
 > 
 > One of my Tawanese friends tald me the quality of Tawanese pilot and said
 > " If the way break someday, most of F-16 pilot will dispear or be called
 > back to there home by there parents or wife."
 > I am wonding is it that bad? Welcome your answers.

Your friend's comment is highly questionable.

Flying advanced jet fighters is an extremely attractive and highly
regarded occupation for venturous young men in Taiwan. Taiwan's Air
Force Academy has no problem in recruiting high caliber cadets from
her well educated population of 19 millions (and yes, it accepts
women as well). It is inconceivable that, after the training in the
Academy, these pilots do not understand that should war break out
and Taiwan fail to defend herself, there will be no happy home left
in Taiwan for themselves, for their parents, for their friends, and
for their fellow Taiwanese under an oppressive regime.

- Allan
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From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 15
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:03:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 15)

In 1107 the Chinese invent multicolor printing, mainly to make paper
money harder to counterfeit.

Between 1100 and 1109, Chinese astronomers build a stone planisphere of
the heavens that correctly demonstrates the cause of solar and lunar
eclipses; a Chinese Jia Xien states the methods of forming the Pascal
triangle, the triangle was probably known before his time.

In 1117 Chu Yu's P'ingchow table talk contains the first mention in
Chinese literature of a compass used for navigation at sea.

Between 1150 and 1159, the Chinese develop the first rockets.

A map of western China is printed in China in 1155, this is the oldest
known printed map.

A supernova is reported in China and Japan in 1181, it remains visible
for 183 days.

The Marco Polo Bridge across the Yung-ting River of China is built in
1189, 213 m (700 ft) long, the bridge is still heavily used by bus and
truck traffic.

The oldest known depiction of fishing reel is made in China between 1190
and 1199.

Between 1200 and 1209, the Chinese devise a sign for zero, before this
they use a space for it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Territory of Ancient China : Introduction
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:59:54 GMT

In article <9225200.20213@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>I've done a bit of research into the Chinese teritory of Ancient
>Times.
>
>I consulted two sets of books.  One published in Mainland China, and
>one published in Taiwan.  I compare both sets of books, and look for
>consistance as well as inconsistence.
>
>The main noticable area of disagreement is the teritory of Ming and
>Qing dynasties.  The Taiwan version included Tibet as Central Influenced,
>whereas the Mainland version included it as Central Controlled.  The
>Taiwan version also included North Vietnam as Central Controlled,
>whereas the Mainland version did not include Vietnam at all.  Both
>versions included Mongolia as centrally controlled.
	** I've recently read an article on the Tibet issues that might
	   be quite debatable. I should be posting it here shortly  
	   for you all to look at. Pop in when you have time - or stay
	   don't go away! 

[...Stuff deleted...]

>Anyway, the Mainland version seems to be more comprehensive all round;
>so, when I have to pick one to trust, I picked the Mainland version.

	** Yes, history books(and other texts) from Mainland are
	   very well and seriously produced(as far as those that I've read).
	   I bought a pretty thick one from home some years ago, carrying
	   it around with me as my handy enyclopaedia(indeed! Also known as 
	   a "sky book" as you might've heard) to history classes. Quite
	   burdensome(it was heavy you know) but had been the most awesome by
	   then (in my class I'm saying) - was quite proud of it. The authors
	   (heaps) obviously did make a lot of researches. The price? OK.
	   Exactly $27.90(that was just 3 years ago, from Commercial Books,
	   before discount)!!! Now sounds totally unreal huh?
 
	   I also bought a textbook here for the HSC Chinese history("The rise
	   of modern China" - the esteemed) in which a great deal of stuff is
	   actually imported(the author didn't claim so!) from my handy sky book!   
	
	   
>It's sometimes hard to judge whether an area is controlled by
>the Middle Government, or simply influenced strongely by it politically
     ^^^^^^
	** The one in the middle you mean? Central government you're saying I
	   suppose.

	** Go ahead! Sounds interesting.

---Cheers,
	Bill



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From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:10:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.102449.29490@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
> 
> >So what is your point? Keep CCP for another 50 years?

> >Lin Can

> We were talking about if democracy should give the chance to seperate a  
country.
> My answer is in the history, a lot of bad things happened when some one  
wanted
> to seperate a country. So, not every one like to see this happen. About who
> should be the leader of a country, we are listening to every one's "campion
> speach", do not think most of people are fool. And if you want to be the
> leader, let us know what you can do for us, why should we select you? If you
> say " I'll let all the provinces to be independent, if they vote for it."
> We'll think about it.
> 

As long as you believe most people are not fool, then let them choose future  
for themselves. If the majority of the not-fool-people choose to leave, do you  
see there is a very very serious problem in China. If it were so (I doubt it  
seriously), then there would be no need for a country call China exit in the  
world.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Change in spelling of Chinese names
From: steve@snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil (Steve Zabarnick)
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:04:50 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Dayton Research Institute

I've noticed that the English spelling of Chinese names and places changed
drastically during the 1980's. That is Peking changed to Bejing, Chang changed
to Xiang, etc. I am curious as to the reason for this change-- who instituted
it, why was it done, where there any changes in the Chinese versions of these
names? Thanks.

Steve Zabarnick
steve@snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: a piece of un-confirmed good news
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:22:11 GMT
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.

From an un-confirmable news source, someone in Beijing is heavily sick.  
This very possible death may bring the sick Have-Milk-Is-Mother philosophy 
to the end.

_\_  ------  ---  \   ------   __\__ /---      /___     __\_/__
  |   /|    __|__|_   |----|    |--  /---      |--|    |-|---|--
  |  / | \    |/ |    |--|-     | | ---|---    |--|    |_-____-_|
  /\________ /|   \|  |/  \|    /\|    /\      |__|   ------|-----
							  \\|

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sdr@mass.quads.chicago.edu
Subject: This is a test
Originator: sdr@mass.quads.chicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 10:32:21 GMT

This is a test, please ignore.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@rlyeh.multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:24:24 GMT

In article <BuF5Lq.CvI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
Lines deleted---

=As long as Taiwan is not buying weapons for offense, I don't see any
=worry about their buying f-16s. By the way, if they are indeed buying plans
=for invasion of mainland, remember mainland has nuclear bombs. They
=will be in hell.

Except KMT's aggressive claiming KMT owns KMT's Tibet, Mongolia
anf Mainland China and wanner RECOVERING KMT's Tibet, Mongolia and
Mainland China, not many people in Taiwan are interested in war
or invading China.

I guess people in the both sides should cooperate together
to move KMT and CCP to South Pole and let them fight each
other over there, then we all can live peacefully together.

=By the way, I don't like Taiwan independence, but I prefer leave them

You have lived with it through out your live. I guess you
are pretty used to it. I don't like CCP's killing students
too, but we all have to live with it.

=alone if they themselves want independence. I have never had any feeling
=about this island in my life. No relative there, never been there and
=never feel invited to there (I am not a communist, nor my family). I can
=visit other countries in the world, but not Taiwan. They don't like

What a interest deduction! If you never been there, how do you
know they don't like you or like you. Not all German are Nazi.
I believe there has good Chinese too who does not want to
invade Taiwan.

=me because I am an ordinary mainlander. 
=
=One netter send me an email claiming that it is Taiwanese investment
=in mainland that made the improvement of mainlander's life. I disagree.
=I think they went there for money of their own. They should be grateful
=to mainlanders for hospitality which they lack in Taiwan to mainlanders.

All businessman are born to be evil. They do business, because
they want to make money and make more money, and they do not
do business because they want to give away money or loosing money.
If you know someone who does business by giving away money,
please please MUST let me know.  ;-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: rot@rlyeh.multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:56:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.002330.15507@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
=
=In article <10SEP199216172457@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes...
=>In article <1992Sep10.154925.1543@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes...
=>==========================================================================
=>Treaty is something between two governments with full sovereignty.
=>How many people in this WORLD still think that Taipei is a legitimate
=>and sovereign government? If not, how can one sign a tready with it?
=>Not to mention Beijing!!!!!
=>c.q.
=>========================================================================
=
=Ok, let's use agreement. Did KMT and CCP sign "suspension of war" agreement 
=during the civil war? KMT regime was legitimate and sovereign government of
=China at the time. 
=
=Again, Taiwan has proposed "no war" agreement but Mainland China refused. 
=Tell me why?


Cuz, they are blood thirsty people killers. They will risk
anything in order to KILL, just like the war with VietNan,
the war with their own people and students, and the war
with Tibet.
From: jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.W. Rambeau)
Subject: Where is xiangqi (Chinese chess)?
Originator: jwr7133@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:47:39 GMT


I would like know where I can got the Xiangqi program for the Macintosh
from the anonymous ftp?

I would like to thank you if you are help me.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong)
Subject: Re: F-16's fear?
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 12:59:38 GMT

v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.162941.16749@cc.uow.edu.au>, u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong) writes...
>> 
>>As far as it can remember from reading history books,when the Japanese
>>first invaded china,the Nationalist didn't fight the japs to defend china,
>>but instead let the communist do the fighting,so they can preserve their 
>>resources to fight the communist when they(communist) has defeated japan,
>>there were some nationalists soldiers who choose to fight the japanese to
>>defend their country but Cheng Kai Shek decided to cut off their supplies
>>to force them to withdrawn,it wasn't until Shek was kidnapped in the
>>**** **** incident(can't remember the english name) in which he was forced
>>to co-operate with the communist to fight the japanese.
>>When the war is over,Shek was eventually defeated by the communist and 
>>escaped to Taiwan,many nationalist soldier(about a million) was left in china
>>and eventually masscare by communist,
>>can I get a explaination for the above incident?
>>(note: I'm not a communist supporter nor a TIers,I just wanted to know why
>>Shek was such a shit-head,while he has "awarded" himself many medals,but I 
>>don't think that he has actcaully took part in any battle at all)


>I suggest you to read the history book written by foreigners instead of those
>written by any side of the straights. 
>As can be recalled by elder Taiwanese who has experienced WWII in Japanese
>ruled Taiwan, the Japanese propaganda was "Destroy Roosvelt,Churchill and
>Chiang". Never heard about Mao or Communist.
The above informations were from foreign history books,anyway,you didn't 
answer my question.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:55:02 GMT

In article <lb1mnvINNdb7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <88514@netnews.upenn.edu> minzhi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Min-Zhi Shao) writes:
>>
>>No.  From what I read in the recent People's Daily, I have never seen the
>>Chinese government is so angry to the Bush administration, or any one since
>>
>How could people get information from a 2-sheet small page newspaper like
>people's daily. The Chinese newspaper published in free world has 6-10
>sheets in big page and two big pages covering CCP news. What is more reliable?
>

Now I am confused, read your free world papers carefully, and then tell me how
many articles in that two big pages of yours is acturally from Zhong Xing
or Xing Hua news agencies?  And how many more are from domestic and
Hong Kong based left-wing newspapers?  So If People's daily is 100% lies,
than is the 2 big pages of world journal 75%-80% lies?  What is this?
I know the owner of world Journal is a  member of KMT central committee,
why is he helping CCP by using CCP controlled source?  Is KMT and CCP
getting back onto the same bed again?   

Please, enlighten me!  

>While I was in Beijing in the deal time, the media of Beijing reacted like
>a mad dog, yelled as if a crazy one day by day.
>

What do you think of the reactions of pro-KMT newspapers when Seoul 
established diplomatic ties with Beijing?  Mad cat?
Be real, man, I haven't seen anything truly objective yet.  
It's up to the reader to be objective, I hope you can read between
the lines and think when you read a newspaper, and don't let the numbers
of pages in the newspaper confuse you and lose count.  

[......] 
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