HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: stupid people
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:17:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160710.2903@ichips.intel.com> mfisch@ichips.intel.com writes:
>In article <23753@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>|> 
>|> took me for a 'ride' one lunchtime..  I nearly lost the lunch..
>|> I don't think ANY bike could have kept up with the violent
>|> cornering that I was subjected to :-)
>
>  So I guess you've taken a few laps on the back with Kevin Schwantz
>and are qualified to make that sort of comparison, right ??? :-+
>
Remember the comparison Motorcyclist did a couple years back pitting the
Corvette ZR against the Yamaha FZR1000? The *only* contest the bike lost was
the skid pad. The bike blasted the Vette in straightaways on the track
and on the drag strip. The two best parts of that test was the fact that the
car ate up a thousand dollars worth of tires, and the bike barely showed
any use and the fact that you could buy something like seven FZR's for the
price of the Vette.

-John
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: braking power lessons (was Re: I won? (NOT!))
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:45:15 GMT

In <1992Oct5.200404.29794@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:

>In article <888@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>>scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>>]hit the front brakes as hard as I dared,
>	[stuff axed]
>>I have no idea how you would discover this braking capacity on a non-ABS bike
>>since achieving that goal can be a bad thing...

>	Well if you think I can't brake you can just go to.... Oh, I'll
>	keep reading...

>>btw: this in no way is meant to imply that Sebastian needs work on braking,
>>     it's just a thought that came to mind...

>	In fact I had been wondering how to practice my panic braking safely
>even before this happened. Now I'm really wondering. I got home after this
>accident to find a message on the answering machine from my father saying
>we were signed up for the ERC course, concentrating on accident avoidance.
>Little late, Dad....

  Try this. Find a deserted piece of dirt or gravel road and at low
speed (15-20mph) quickly lock your brakes and release (to get the feel
of a slide and the jerk as it recovers).  Release
automaticaly/instantly, don't wait for the slide. Once you know what a
slide feels like start to modulate your braking to find out how close
you can get before it locks up. Become accustomed to recovering. Next
try it on pavement, and finally on wet pavement. You might as well.
Sooner or later everyone locks up the front wheel in the rain. 

 Now if only someone could tell me how to safely learn to deal with a sliding
front wheel in a cornering/braking situation ie. going too fast
through a tight cloverleaf only to find some jerk who does't know how to
merge stopped near the exit. Hard braking in a corner scares me big
time.
                               Jorg


>	BTW, found out my insurance would pay for the car damages (not that
>	they aren't still a rinky dink insurance outfit, but...)

>-------
>Not bored, pissed. Word to wise (from the dumb):  CU Econ Dept. *SUCKS SHIT*
>Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
>'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corisca  |    NYC, NY.|


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: Faster 1100
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:11:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <Bv1IyF.5BE.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
  ...
>somewhere else and ditching my right leg. Where's the best place for the
>rear brake to be, for a one-legged rider? Or am I going at this the wrong
>way? Any advice will be appreciated.

Just move the rear brake over to the left side. Don't worry about 
needing to brake and downshift at the same time -- the recommended
method is to disengage the clutch and coast to a stop. You can
downshift after you've stopped while balancing.

-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:56:37 GMT

marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis) writes:
>neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:

>>>Harley?  Two strokes?   HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!

>>Don't forget the Aermacci's (sp?) True, they were Italian-made, but were sold
>>as Harleys and H-D owned a major portion of the factory.

>...and they were 4-strokes, not 2.

Back in high school my little brother had a 175cc 2-stroke Harley
Davidson dual purpose bike.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW K75S engine mods - query
Keywords: BMW
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:08:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Sep29.210838.4658
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Sep28.180350.21746@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.164924.7499@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
>[...]
>>As for the performance, I've heard that you can get the
>>K75 up to about 85 horsepower with just a cam change and removal of
>>the stock airbox.  Damn waranty rules that out for now.  
>
>Not a problem for me. Who makes the aftermarket cam and airbox?
>
>What other performance modifications have people done to a K75 engine?

Have you tried Luftmeister in Calif. for better go fast goodies?  If you are
worried about warranty, you can always put the stock parts back on and go
into a different dealer and act like you don't know anything ...
Luftmeister's phone number is 800-275-2129.  If fast isn't fast enough, they
have some interesting bolt on turbo kits.


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 28 Sep 1992 05:10:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep27.220135.1301@msus1.msus.edu>, stafford@msus1.msus.edu
wrote:
> 
> 
> 	OK.  Do _all_ DoDers wear full-face helmets?
> 	All the ones I've seen do.

Yeah, I do.

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


jesse@eye.com (Jesse Lackey) writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.040416.8993@riacs.edu> dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer) writes:
>>stop dead in their tracks about a foot and a half behind me and smile.
>>Big, stupid, shit-eating grins on their faces. I glance at the car
>
>It is situations like this that make me want to get a .22 to keep on my bike
>somewhere.  Not that I know how to shoot, but there's nothing like a gun to
>stop large assholes in their tracks..

One hopes this is bluster as opposed to advice.

1)  If I didn't now how to shoot, I wouldn't take the risk of drawing
    on these guys.  Unless you shoot them immediately, there are drawbacks
    to holding someone under gun-point unless you know what you're doing.

    It takes less time to act with a gun than it does to react, so if
    you're sitting with your gun out and waiting for your target to
    make a move, when they *do* make that move there's a pretty good
    chance they'll get a shot off before you do.

2)  Once they've drawn on you, there's a better chance that they
    will shoot you than that you will shoot them, since you've
    already admitted you don't know how to shoot.

3)  I love my bike.  I would *not* kill to protect it.  Now if my
    SO or family was being threatened, that's a different story.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet law speech (help!)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 5 Oct 1992 17:13:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <djm.718293710@morpheus>, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David
Maconochie) wrote:
> 
> 
> Any supporters for the helmet law applied to building sites (or is that just
> common sense?).

If you mean something like: "Construction Site, HARD HAT AREA"  Then yeah,
me.  Wait you ask, how can this guy that calls me names for being
pro helmet law, be for this, right?  Well, I'll tell ya.

If you work a construction job, then your employer requires you to work
in a dangerous area.  Since he is the one putting you in danger, he
has the right (esp. due to liability law in this country (USA for all
you other country types :-) )) to mandate safety gear.  But, when I put
MYSELF in danger, it's up to me to decide what type of safety gear I need.

> -- 
> --
> 
> David Maconochie

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Needs a name (Was: How far do you commute?)
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:42:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Oct4.054905.2259@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>	ObMoto:  Announcing the birth of a 1975 CB360T....he needs a name.  
> How about "Not The Harley"?
> 
> Though on second though, I think that one's been taken.

for whatever its worth, the xl200 was named "gumball" because its
so red.  in light of my exegencies, when we got the xl350 (looking much the
same, but bigger and fatter), the xl350 almost got the name "fatboy".  instead,
a comprimise was crafted and it is now "son of fatboy."  who knows, maybe the
child is the father to the son. 

--
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Tree climbing w/Trail 90 (not)
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:28:12 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept


I bought a Honda Trail 90 to take to Colorado on the back of my Suzuki 400 and
I'm having some problems with it. After finally getting it to idle reasonable
some of the time, I proceeded to attempt some tree climbing here in Kansas.
I didn't want to look stupid the first time I take it to Colorado.

 First I tried the head-on-wheelie and go manuver. It works for about 10 feet
until the Chin Sen-Sen's start smoking and smelling like licorice.  I don't 
really like that taste so I tried the old wrap a cable around the rear axle.
It works much better and goes almost as high as I can throw the 400, but I
don't like it as much becasue it almost seems like I'm going up backwards.

What am I doing wrong?  Should I be using a different type of cable? Maybe
it is too thick or something. OR should I be using a chain?  I would greatly 
appreciate some help from somebody that has some experience with this setup.
From: loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Model list
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:23:09 GMT
Organization: Centre for the Physics of Materials


	I recently posted about how much fun I had doing a motorcycle
scale plastic model (Yamaha SRX-6).  Well, I remembered where I put my
Tamiya catalog from my remote-control days; it contains all (most?) of
the motorcycle models available as of 1987.  I don't think that they
have changed it since then.  Anyways, here it is for interested folks:

1/6 scale (about 1' long):
	Harley-Davidson FXE1200 Super Glide
	Harley-Davidson FLH Classic (1978)
	Harley-Davidson FLH Classic "Black Flash" (1978)
	Harley-Davidson FLH1200 Police Special 
	Harley-Davidson FLH Classic with Sidecar (1978)
	Yamaha XS1100LH Midnight Special
	Kawasaki Z1300
	Honda CB750F (1981)
	Kawasaki Z1300-B
	Honda CB1100R
	Suzuki GSX1100S Katana (1981)
	Honda CX500 Turbo (1982)

1/12 scale (about 6" long):
	Yamaha YZR500 GP Racer
	Suzuki RGB500 GP Racer
	Honda CB750F
	Honda CB900F2
	Suzuki RGB500 Team Gallina (1980)
	Suzuki GSX1100S Katana (1981)
	Kawasaki KR1000F Endurance (1981)
	Suzuki RM250 Motocross (1980)
	Honda RS1000 (1980)
	Honda VT250F
	Honda CR450R Motocross
	Honda CR250R Motocross
	Ducati 900 Mike Hailwood Replica (1978)
	Suzuki GSX750 Police Special (1980)
	Honda VF750F
	Ducati 900 Racer NCR
	Honda MVX250F
	Suzuki RG250 Gamma (1982)
	Ducati 900SS
	Yamaha YZR500 Kenny Roberts
	Kawasaki KR500 GP Racer (1982)
	Suzuki RG250 Gamma
	Honda VT250F Integra (1983)
	Honda VF750F SuperSport
	Honda NS500 GP Racer (1982)
	Suzuki GSX750S Katana Special Edition (1984)
	Honda CBR400F
	BMW K100 (1983)
	Yamaha RZV500R
	Yamaha YZR500 OW70 (1983)
	Honda CBR400F Endurance Special Edition
	Honda NS500 with pilot (1983)
	Yamaha XV1000 Virago
	Kawasaki GPz400R (1985)
	KTM 250 MX (1984)
	Yamaha FZ250 Phaser
	Yamaha SRX-6 (1986)
	BMW R80G/S
	Suzuki RG250 Gamma Walter Wolf Special
	Honda NXR750 PD (1986)

Note 1: I don't work for Tamiya; I just like the model I just finished.
Note 2: I mentioned my model was 1/6 scale; it was actually 1/12.
Note 3: Judging from the photos, most of these models are European versions
	and many of them have never set rubber on N.American shores.
Note 4: I included models years where available.
Note 5: I'll being keeping this list at the archives.
Note 6: As I mentioned, a new line is due out very soon.  I'll try to get
	the catalog.

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From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: K75 Silly Speedo
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:45:55 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.015134.20268@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep20.194428.1264@msus1.msus.edu> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>>>
>>>The speedomter on my K75 started acting silly yesterday.  It kind of 
>>>flutters up to about 20 and above there, it drops back to zero and
>>>stays there until we get back down to 20 where it works (sort of) 
>>>until it's steady at zero.  When this happened before, I cleaned the
>...
>>You've got two possibilities. One - the connection in the wiring harness
>>could be intermittent - follow the line from the rear drive to the
>
>Lew Fox BMW in Naperville, IL, says that they've resolved the majority
>of their K75 speedo problems by cleaning the contacts (where the speedo
>plugs in, and probably elsewhere) and applying silicone dielectric
>grease to the connectors.  Lew claims they've had very few problems
>at all since they started doing this as part of dealer prep on new bikes.

Yep. Took me three dealers to get that done. First one didn't fix the bike
right after it was wrecked (how can you _possibly_ miss two bent wheels?).
So he was history. Then the second one, who I was "dealing" with when the
speedo started to act up, replaced the thing. Still acting up. Third dealer
(we're talking midwinter now), I called on the phone and rapped with about
the problem. "No sweat!", he says. "Bring it on down." Well, 8" fresh snow
was kinda discouraging, so I yanked the cluster and brought it to him.
Swapped out the low fuel circuit board for the new one (no 7l light, 15sec
delay), cleaned up and greased the speedo contacts and sent me on my way.
Problem solved (for ~4 years, now). Never saw me before, hadn't even seen
the bike, at that point. Just did the work. Guess which dealer I now
patronize (and which 2 aren't even BMW dealers any more)? Good service is
hard to find.

Oh, yeah. If you're looking for a BMW (or Suzuki), and live reasonably
near Phillipsburg, NJ (I-78 @ Delaware River), give Dave Cushing a call at
Touch of Class BMW/Suzuki - 908-454-8886. (Right Jim?)
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Date: 3 Oct 1992 03:07:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net said:
:- ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
:- 
:- |	you really expect me to fall for whats most probably the oldest
:- |	bait on rec.moto??? (ten points to the first person to point out
:- |	an older bait and prove that i am indeed newbie-scum! ;).
:- 
:- Let me see - older bait.  Ahhh, yes:
:- 
:-   "You newbie-scum FRESHMAN STUDENT!!" (Obvious, since you are posting from
:- a .edu system).

	this from a person who isnt even on internet!!! ;) and this is
	not an older bait! its a later version of the same old bait!
	(and jeq has already fried me about the .edu thing).

:- To PROVE you are a newbie scum?   Oh, yes:
:-   I've got copies of news postings less than two months old where you are
:- complaining about the DoD taking over the newsgroup (hilarious one, that).
:- How newbie *can* you get?

	you actually save news postings by me??? you seriously need
	psychological help! (and hey i never said the DoD is taking over
	the newsgroup... i might have a year ago, but i think the
	takeover was accomplished even earlier than that!!! ;). small
	doubt: the hilarious bit... was it the post? or the whining?

:-   So, do I get the ten points?

	nope! however your attempt was brave and you deserve a strong
	pat in the back ;)

	peace,

	- ravi


-- 
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From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: What means "Poser"?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:01:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.173029.1354@msus1.msus.edu> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>> 
>>                                 POSER!!
>
> [other stuff deleted]
>
>Not that I give a pint tin of dingo's* kidneys about the opinions of DoDers
>in general, but I'd at least like to know what I've been accused of when 
>someone(I don't remember who) called me a "poser".
>

  Poser (pose-er) n. A motorcyclist with an unwarranted appreciation of
dingo's kidneys.
  Dude: it's you.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Fuel Tank cleaning (was: Help!!)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:10:01 GMT

Warning to whiners: 

  A real, honest-to-llama technical tip to follow, so please hit "n" now.

In article <1992Oct1.173528.7954@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott) writes:
|
|NEXT, unscrew the float 
|bowls from each carb (one at a time so's not to mix parts). Clean out float 
|bowl and needle and needle seat using a carb cleaner spray and reassemble.

A tip from a 2-stroke guru friend of mine: when working on carb float bowls, 
make an effort not to touch the plastic surface of the floats with your 
fingers.  The oil on your hands can stick to the float and change the 
bouyancy, therby possibly requiring a float level adjustment.

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Looking up!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Almost there)        |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Substitute for or rebuild of FJ fuel pump
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:59:49 GMT

>now, so the pump won't work right. Even though the parts needed to fix the
>pump screw right on, you can't get a rebuild kit from yamaha. They want $130+
>for the whole pump. Has anyone out there ever rebuilt the electrical contacts?

    At most discount auto parts stores like Pep Boys etc, you can get 
the same type of pump for $40 to $60 with adapter fittings.

    It sounds like your contacts are stuck together. If they are stuck
because of general erosion, you can open them and file the surfaces.
(if you can get to them) There is a good chance you can  do this even
if they have arc welded themselves. Contact points are made of especially
hard metal and require a special "points" file available in auto parts
stores for around $1.50. A capacitor added in parallel with the contacts
will greatly extend their life. Try to find an old copy of the "Motors
Repair Manual" at a library or used book store, the used to have a
section on calculating the size capacitor needed based on the direction
of metal transfer between ignition points, which applies to any contacts
switching an inductive load.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

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