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From: visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Copa Libertadores - Update
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:58:53 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


	Copa Libertadores - Group 1 - Chile/Argentina
	---------------------------------------------

	Previous results (first team is home team):

		Colo-Colo - Coquimbo   1-0
		Colo-Colo - U.Catolica 1-1
		Newell's - San Lorenzo 0-6
		Coquimbo - U.Catolica 3-2 
		Newell's - Coquimbo 3-0
		San Lorenzo - Colo-Colo 1-0
		Newell's - Colo-Colo 3-1
		San Lorenzo - Coquimbo 3-0
		U.Catolica - Newell's 1-1
		U.Catolica - San Lorenzo 4-0
		Coquimbo - Colo-Colo 1-1 
		U.Catolica - Colo-Colo 0-0
		U.Catolica - Coquimbo 5-1
		San Lorenzo - Newell's 0-1
		Colo-Colo - San Lorenzo 1-0
		Coquimbo - Newell's 1-2
		Colo-Colo - Newell's 1-1
		Coquimbo - San Lorenzo 0-1

	Tuesday April 7th:
	
		San Lorenzo 2 - U.Catolica 2 (2-0)

		1' Matosas, 35' Rossi (SL); 75' Kenig, 87' Del Solar (UC)

	Next games:

	 	Friday April 10th: Newell's - U.Catolica

	Table
	-----

	Team		Pts	W  T  L  GF-GA
	--------------------------------------

	Newell's   (ARG) 10	4  2  1  11-10   * To second round
	San Lorenzo(ARG) 9	4  1  3  13-8    * To second round 
	U.Catolica (CHI) 8	2  4  1  15-8    * To second round 
	Colo-Colo  (CHI) 8	2  4  2   6-7    * To second round 
	Coquimbo   (CHI) 3	1  1  6   6-18   * Eliminated

Bye,

Marcello.

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From: cbsli@acvax.inre.asu.edu (Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:23:36 GMT
Reply-To: cbsli@acvax.inre.asu.edu
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <9APR199217115396@rigel.tamu.edu>, a0v6282@rigel.tamu.edu (Art Velasquez) writes...
> 
>     While the net's been arguing over training, an interesting
>question has arisen (IMO).
>     I'm not familiar as to how important blind speed (e.g. 100m dash)
>is in professional soccer outside the US and Canada.  What I'd be
>interested to know, to get a handle on this, is how long it takes for
>the average European footballer to run 50 or 100 meters in a sprint.
>     Can anyone answer this?  Thanx in advance.

   In a soccer documentary called "Numero Uno - Germany" years ago about
Franz Beckenbauer, one englishman who has monitored Beckenbauer's career
from the very beginning said that it is "not how fast you run from point
A to point B that matters, it is knowing *when* to run from point A to
point B, and Beckenbauer always knows exactly when to run from point A to
point B".
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andy Busa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Strong Weekend for US Teams
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:54:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: GTE/SCSD

In article <1992Apr7.172742.20832@pony.Ingres.COM>, cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) wrote:

> A good test for the progress of the U.S. team will be when they play as an invited team
> in a "real" tournament, the Copa America, in the summer of '93.

I agree.  This will be a much better test of where the US will be in 94.
I do hope though that because the tournament is in the summer the US can
finally reassemble their full team.  The US has never been able to field
a team of their best players for one reason or another. But the main reason
for that is that we have most of our good players playing in Europe.  And
next year we will probably pick up a couple of the U23 players.

Andy
From: martins@hpl.hp.com (Henrique Martins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football at the movies etc.
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:15:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplhasm.MARTINS.92Apr6131533
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA

In article <HANS.92Mar31150325@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:

>  ...and now over to something completely different:

>  The other day I was trying to find out if there were any interesting
>  works of fiction (films, plays, novels etc.) where football plays an
>  essential part. Oodly enough, off the top of my head I could think of
>  very few actual examples.

  Football is not the main subject of the film, I think, but you can try
finding a copy of "The goalie's anxiety at the penalty kick", directed by
Wim Wender.  It is on the video store I rent from, but I have still to get
it.

  Henrique
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:5365 soc.culture.italian:1759
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: CSFR Football Results round 21
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:00:34 GMT

CSFR (16 teams, 2 UEFA)
====
Round 20, postponed match
Dukla Praha              0-0 Bohemians Praha
Round 21 (April 5)
Banik Ostrava            5-2 Spartak Hradec Kralove
Dukla Banska Bystrica    2-1 Bohemians Praha
DAC Dunajska Streda      0-2 Union Cheb
Internacional Bratislava 2-0 Spartak Trnava
Sigma Olomouc            0-0 Slovan Bratislava
Slavia Praha             1-1 Dukla Praha
Sparta Praha             2-1 TJ Vitkovice
Tatran Presov            3-0 Dynamo Ceske Budejovice

Table:
 1.Slovan Bratislava         21 43-10 38
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 2.Sigma Olomouc             21 45-11 34
 3.Sparta Praha              21 48-15 32
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 4.Banik Ostrava             21 41-24 29
 5.Slavia Praha              21 43-20 26
 6.Internacional Bratislava  21 34-31 23
 7.Tatran Presov             21 22-28 23
 8.DAC Dunajska Streda       21 31-33 16
 9.Dukla Praha               21 20-28 16
10.Dukla Banska Bystrica     20 22-31 16
11.Bohemians Praha           21 24-34 16
12.TJ Vitkovice              21 25-44 14
13.Union Cheb                21 21-41 14
14.Spartak Hradec Kralove    20 14-28 13
-----------------------------------------
15.Dynamo Ceske Budejovice   21 12-42 13
16.Spartak Trnava            21 11-43 11


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From: biwidar@cs.few.eur.nl (Irsan Widarto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Results European Cup (2+3) semi-finals
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:09:56 GMT
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam


Results of the European Cup (2+3) semi-finals:

EC2:
Feyenoord (Holland) - AS Monaco (France)  2-2
---------------------------------------------
32. Weah         0-1
50. Barros       0-2
51. Witschge     1-2
86. Damaschin    2-2

first match 1-1; AS Monaco through to final


Werder Bremen (Germany) - Club Brugge (Belgium)  2-0
----------------------------------------------------
31. Bode         1-0
60. Bockenfeld   2-0

first match 0-1; Werder Bremen through to final


EC3:
Ajax (Holland) - Genoa (Italy)  1-1
-----------------------------------
39. Iorio        0-1 
46. Bergkamp     1-1

first match 3-2; Ajax through to final


Torino (Italy) - Real Madrid (Spain)  2-0
-----------------------------------------
 8. Rochas       1-0 (own goal)
76. Fusi         2-0

first match 1-2; Torino through to final


Finals:
EC2: May 6,   Lisbon (Portugal);   AS Monaco - Werder Bremen
EC3: April 29,                     Torino - Ajax
     May 13,                       Ajax - Torino


---
Irsan Widarto (biwdar@cs.few.eur.nl)
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:04:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr8.230427.9461
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

MY point is not to tout the americans horn. Rather, I have seen a lot of
anti-american bias posted on this net and I felt compelled to wade in.
No the US side is not anywhere near being competitive with the big boys--yet.

However providing a Pro league emerges and a tv contract I anticipate the
rapid emergence of the US as a soccer power elite.

Part of my believe this will happen is I see better training methods in this
country than in the UK where I am from.  Not better soccer methods per say--but
more emphasis on the overall condition of the body.

I promise you NFL atheles are faster than soccer players--not the line backers
or linemen, but receivers, running backs and safeties are faster. Some of that
speed is natural some comes from training techniques. However few NFL athletes
can match the stamina of a soccer player or the aerobic capacity. Soccer 
players are great athletes no question. Take somebody like a bo Jackson
who weiieghs upwards of 230 pounds--the man runs a 4.20 40 yard dash. That is 
amazing. Imagine what he would do if he was a soccer player instead! 

Upper body strength is important in soccer. You use your arms all the time
when going for the ball etc etc etc. otherwise tie your arms behind your back
if they are not important.

I agree legs are more important. Many soccer players have superb legs--on the
other hand there are few who wouldnt benefit from more muscle there.

How many soccer players compete in the olympics in other sports? You see a lot
of NFL players in the olympics--gold medal winners too.

I'm not trying to claim NFL players are better athletes than soccer players. 
SOccer is the most demanding sport in the world. However, soccer training method
are in too many cases archaic and do not emphasize total body development.

Roy
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European league (Was:The Best European Clubs)
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:55:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: thor.FISCHER.92Apr7225506
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "mladen" == mladen  (mladen@tfl.dk)

mladen> For example, how can you explained the thing that Sigma
mladen> Olomouc is above Real Madrid on your list and in direct match
mladen> in UEFA Cup Real Madrid was better?

Hint: Sunderland.
--
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CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: asim@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Question regarding goalkeeping
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:27:17 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.

Last week when our team was playing in a small league, our goalie stopped the
ball (which was on the ground) with his hands but didn't pick it up. Then he
pushed the ball, with his hands, a couple of yards and as he picked up the ball
to kick it the referee blew the whistle and gave the other team an indirect 
free kick. According to my knowledge, the goalie's action were correct but
somebody told me that there has been some changes in the rules. Could somebody
please explain the new rule regarding the above incident.
Also, I had posted an article earlier to find out about the minimum size
required for a field to be considered for league and international games, but I
haven't seen any replies yet. Could somebody answer this aswell.
Thanks in advance.
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: How do clubs handle the exchange of players between teams?
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:44:42 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: ba


I am curious as to how soccer clubs with multiple competition teams handle
the exchange of players between their teams. The club I play for has 2
competitive teams, an "A" and a "B" team. In theory, the "A" team is the
better of the two and competes at the in a higher ranked league. But in
practice due to better teamwork, desire, and leadership, the "B" team wins
more often both at it's level and when competing directly against the "A"
team. As an example, in the last three games between the "A" team and the "B"
team, the "B" team has won all three by a margin of 7-1. This is curious, as
the "A" team has better skilled, faster players in nearly every position.

In theory, the "B" team was created to allow the club to carry more players
on the club, move players up when they were ready, and to allow players to
move down who could not play at the top level. In reality what has happened
is that most "B" players do not want to move up as they find the "A" team
is a disorganized group of star players who do not play together, often
fight amoung themselves, and generally do not give newer players much playing
time. Meanwhile, those players moved down generally quit the club.

When the "A" decides it needs players, it generally takes them despite the
need of the "B" team. As an example, this past weekend when the "B" was
meeting it's toughest oponent of the season, the "A" took all the forwards
from the "B" team and provided no players in return. So the "B" was required
to go out and sign a couple of players on a couple of days notice.
Needless to say, the "B" team did not do well in the game.
This caused extreme distress to the "B" team as we are hot in a race to win
the divison crown. Still, it is realized that the "A" team needs to do
something as they are trying to keep from being relegated.

How do other clubs handle these conflicts? There is a strong effort from the
"B" team core to quit the club at the conclusion of the season and form a
new club. As captain of the "B" side, I am having a hard time holding the
"B" team together, keeping it competitive, while trying to help the "A" team
become competitive.

Tom
From: cbsli@acvax.inre.asu.edu (Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: High Scoring? (was Re: 1994 world cup...)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: cbsli@acvax.inre.asu.edu
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <1992Apr11.005234.19862@erg.sri.com>, vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes...
>In article <1992Apr8.224744.7989@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>>
>>> several people state USSR is a soccer power.
>>
>>When did this happen? What has the USSR ever won in soccer?
> 
>Roy, you must be VERY young. USSR has been a soccer power ever since it
>entered the international competition in 1952 or so. In fact, if one were
>to rank countries based on their performance in the past 40 years, one
>would rank them something like this:
> 
>1. Brazil, 2. Germany, 3 Argentina, 4.Italy, 5. Holland, 6. England  7. USSR, 
>8-9 Poland, France, 10-11 Uruguai, Hungary, 12-14 Spain, Portugal, Yugoslavia,
>etc.
> 
   With Germany's win in the 1990 world cup, they surpassed Brazil in the no.
of points gained in the world cup.  So the ranking should be..

1. Germany 2. Brazil 3. Italy .....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Re: Football Monthly
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.093551.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> engjs@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (James Smith) writes:
>3.4.92
>
>Dear Reader,
>The Publishers of Football Monthly have announced that it is their intention
>to re-launch the Magazine with the June 92 issue published 28th May 92.
>
>As a current subscriber to this title, 
>your subscription period will be adjusted
>to cover the five issues not published.
>
>May we join with the Publishers in thanking you for your patience during this
>difficult period, and trust you will continue to support this Magazine.
>
>Yours sincerely,
>World Wide Subscription Services
>
>I wonder what actually happened?
>

   I just hope the magazine remains a "serious" one ... I still have 10 issues
   remaining on my subscription and if I see that it has degenerated to pander
   to the "kiddie" level of Shoot!, Match, and 90 Minutes, I will be mightily 
   pissed.

   Brad

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From: marco@THUNDER.MCRCIM.MCGILL.EDU (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Canada 1-1 Mexico: CONCACAF Olympic Qualifier
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:17:51 GMT

Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Apr5.230042.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> jmorry@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>
>Result of 4th round CONCACAF Olympic qualifier played today:
>
>Canada  1-1 Mexico at Burnaby, B.C.
>
> [stuff deleted].
>
>I think the commentators were quite right in stating that referee 
>Arlington Success of Antigua was very lenient in failing to red-card 
>two professional fouls by the Mexicans - both would have resulted in 
>reds just about anywhere. In one instance, the goalkeeper for Mexico
>was well outside the penalty area and threw a good block on the
>Canadian attacker, while in the second instance, the Canadian player
>was pulled down from behind when a Mexican player decided he liked the 
>jersey his opponent was wearing.

I was also surprised at the referee's decision especially regarding
the second "tackle", which was rather "rugbyesque". :-) The Canadians
have a decent squad, but they didn't seem very effective in Mexico's
penalty area until Peschisolido came in; too many missed oppostunities
or bad kicks. 

>BTW, I noticed Cesar Menotti, coach of the '78 World Cup champions 
>Argentina, working as part of the Mexican coaching staff. Quite a 
>change, wouldn't you think?

I thought that I heard that he was the head of the Mexican Soccer
Federation...

>Next game for Canada is April 22nd in Mexico City - you can bet 
>there'll be more than 3600 fans at that match!

Actually, the next match is on the 12th or April when Canada meets
Honduras in Burnaby, BC. The game will once again be
televised live at 16:00 ET on TSN and RDS. Unfortunately they cut
away for about 1-1.5 minutes of commercials every 15-20 minutes
during the match, and during the break, something exciting in the
game usually happens. Coincidence?

In any case, it looks like Canada has a tough road ahead if they
wish to qualify. None of the teams in this division can be taken
for granted.

>Jamie Morry

Marco...
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From: BRIAN.JEFFREY.COOK@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: USA WORLD CUP AND english supremecy, (ha ha ha)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:46:58 GMT

i want to add my few cetns to this discussion about the
USA and the english.
this is mainly directed at the londoner in indiana.  first of all how did you
end up in such a desolate place???  secondly, i think the rural confines 
of indiana have clouded your judgement.
english soccer is not so nearly as impressive as you like to state.
look at liverpool and the rest of the english teams in the various
european cups.  gee, they did well. 
.
all i hear is bitching and maoning abuot the cup in america and how
it should be in a soccer playing nation.  well, i would be interested
to know if you would complain as much if the cup was in canada? 
how about sub-sahara africa?  comeroon perhaps?  from what i read
of you (which may be poor), you would complain about that too. 
.
i think you are missing a key word when it comes to soccer in the world
cup.  WORLD!!!!  i.e. international.  the world doesn't revolve around
england any more.  that sort of stopped after the second world war.
so i can't see how you can keep complaining about the world cup in the US.
there are teams from all over.  remember the great CAMEROON-england match.
USA-italy.   there are many devloping nations you must consider in
your warped view of the world.  maybe world maps aren't printed in indiana
or something!?!
.
sorry if you feel i am picking on you, but i am sick and tired
of people bashing the US cause of the lack of big time international
or club soccer.  if we want to start nick picking eachother country, fine
by me.  yet i do not think that is the purpose of the group. 
we are here to talk about SOCCER and lets focus on positive topics of
the world cup.  the revival of soccer in the US, the glamour the US
will bring to the game etc....  it will happen.
ya'll guys ahve to sit down and relax. 
.
did you guys complain when the olympic soccer tournament was brought
to the US as part of the 1984 los angeles olympics??  i think NOT!!!!
.
so everybody just relax and enjoy WC 1994.
.
peace...brian j. cook
From: jjook@sfu.ca (Jessica Jook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: League Cup
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:33:08 GMT


  Can someone send me the result of the League Cup final as soon as
the game is over?   I can't wait to know the score!
--Raymond--    ThankYou

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From: billp@pcsbst.pcs.com (Bill Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Highland League Fitbaw!
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:48:19 GMT
Reply-To: billp@pcsbst.pcs.com (Bill Potter)
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH

In article <1992Apr11.230418.24623@st-andrews.ac.uk>,
jj1@st-andrews.ac.uk (John Johnston) writes:
> Well how many of you peeps have heard of Inverness Caley? For long
they have been the best team in the highland league and have played well
in the scottish cup. This year was a fine example.
> 

and he then proceeds to give some fine examples.

> So mail me if  you think they should be allowed into the league or If
you have your own opinions.....
> 
> John (CALEY FC) Johnston 

At last, after wading through mounds of nonsense about insignificant
teams like the 'Gers and Man.Utd. and Barca and Bayern (well they really 
are insignificant this year) and LIVERPOOL (stop shouting) we get a report 
on a truly great football club, Inverness Caledonian.

John, just you keep them coming.

I think Caley should stay right where they belong, on top of the
Highland League. But I do think that winning the Highland League should
give automatic entry to the European Cup, I mean the Highlands are part of
Europe now, aren't they.

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