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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can'
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:25:45 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article 718998877@ace.acadiau.ca, 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON) writes:

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> Guys and Gals,
>     Is it just me or does Diane Duane do the best version of McCoy ever 
> found in a novel? The debate in Spock's World definitely comes to 
> mind.........
> 
> DMK
> Acadia University, Wolfville, N.S., Canada.
>    

Diane Duane (IMHO the BEST trek novel writer) is a real McCoy fan. She puts
the good doctor behind enemy lines in the "The Romulan Way" and puts him
in charge of the big E in "Doctors Orders".
If you haven't read these books rush out and get them.

tony bell
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From: johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:53:39 GMT

In article <Bw2uH2.7xz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>:)	Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
>:)take this newsgroup BACK! Enough of these pretentious reviewers whose only
>:)purpose in life is to tear down the work of others. TNG is among the
>:)top shows on television. Even when it's at its worst, it outranks
>:)all of the brain-dead garbage being shown on the networks.
>
>You never saw the episode with Troi's mom and Alexander, did you?  :)

	I'm getting FLAMED! I guess I deserve it after a post like that.

	Yes, I have seen Cost of Living. Yes, it was awful. And yes, some
network shows aren't so bad (although Murphy Brown is WAY overrated). Just
try an episode of "Family Matters" on for size and tell me if you still
disagree.

	Atsushi tears apart episodes for the sake of doing it. I think
the problem is that the writers assume the audience has some intelligence.
Thus, we get 200-message long flame threads over why didn't the writers
show us how they got their clothes at the start of TAII. Then Atsushi starts
flaming: "This show sucks because they didn't tell us how they got their
clothes." I mean, come on. *Maybe* they thought we were smart enough to figure
it out on our own, and it wasn't crucial to the dramatic thread of the
story.

	I'm sorry, but flames over subjects like that are *dumb*. If you
think Mark Twain got too much screen time, fine. Thought the time-travel
logic was unoriginal, fine. But I tire of the "THIS SHOW SUCKS"
mentality we get over and over. The show does not suck. Nor is it perfect.
Let's just not whine about it, OK?

	TNG takes risks. I've said it before...I'd rather
see TNG takes risks and fail than to fall back on formula. And it still
is among the best shows on TV. Only a truly great show can fail miserably
with "Cost of Living" one week and come right back with "Cause and Effect"
the next.

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From: worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:02:22 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
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chittend@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert R. Chittenden) writes:


>    Of the first three episodes of this new season, I've been reading
>alot of negative comments.  Perhaps the talky episodes of the fifth
>season were disappointment, but this season episode has been quite
>different.  "Time's Arrow, part II" and "Realm of Fear" have two of 
>the most original shows in the series and I thought that they were 
>very well done.  If the first two episodes are any indication of the
>season to come, it appears TNG is moving away from talky episodes into
>doing more science fiction based episodes which was missed from last
>season.  
>    I've already seen negative comments about the upcoming episode 
>"Relics" feauturing James Doohan.  The old saying "don't judge a 
>book by its cover" applies here.

>    For all those people who think TNG is going downhill, I leave 
>you with this thought...They must be doing something right or you
>would not keep watching.

It's nice to see someone praising the show.  It's about time this happened.
I agree completely.  The R.A.S groups have turned into a Startrek bashing
forum.  
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: pad is sexy and nude!
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:19:23 EST

 -=> On 10-15-92  09:47, Peter A David babbled to All saying: <=-

 PAD> At the moment I don't have a specific Trek novel in the works,
 PAD> although two are in the discussion stages:  One would be a Deep Space
 PAD> Nine novel (since Pocket is starting a line of those) and the other is
 PAD> a novel focusing on Captain Sulu of the Excelsior.

I am sincerely honoured by your responce.  Thanks for taking the time to
write to me!  (Now if you'd only do the same for E-mail...)

Just out of curiosity, how long did it take you to actually WRITE (not
publish, edit, and all that stuff) one of your novels?


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E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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Subject: --<Relics>-- *SPOILERS*
From: mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon)
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:09:00 EST


WOW! Im still impressed.  No matter others may say, I thing that the
show has improved greatly from TAII.   However, I noticed a basic flaw that
my roommate pointed out last night...that some of these scripts would have
never reached the screen if Gene was still around, but anyway....

First off, the writters did a good 'avoidness' of consistancy, making the
accident well after the TOS years (including VI)....also, the transporter 
thing did seem very possible (is that why they put the Barkley episode 
in the before this? hhmmmmm).  

I LIKED the Dysons sphere and the sfx around it...Sure, there was a point 
approx in the first act where they showed the Big-E for a good 30
seconds w/ no narrative...this might bore some people, but it showed a 
good point....the Big-E had yet to reach the horizon of the sphere, and
it was THAT big...All the shots of it showed a vertical plane (expected at
that distance), and the panning shot as the Big-E was sucked inside was 
quite imaginative....

Scotty was well played, and probably what I expected from the intro I got.
Geordi seemed a little too hard on him for my taste, but of course, I
never had to do a level VII check on the sensors :)

The bar scene w/ Data and Scotty is probably the best joke done yet....
I muttered something about 'Its green' as soon as he brought the bottle out..
I swear, Spiner is getting much better with the role of Data (must be the
500 yr old head :)

They must of searched thru TOS a lot to get the bridge and tporter sounds
from that...

However, there were still a lot of inconsistancies with the writters, which
would have been burned by Gene if he were still around...for example, how
did they get enginer control back at the speed in order to excape?
Why give Scotty a shuttlecraft to go play around in the galaxy with when
they should have returned him to starbase xxx? etc...  The ship got out
too easily (once again), and Id wish they try to actually give it some
hazards to actually face (ie what if the phasers and photon torps were
off-line?...)

Anyway, the portions with Scotty was done quite well, and for that, the
wrritters deserve some credit...

I give it a 8.5 out of 10 (still a lame plot ending)


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From: chittend@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert R. Chittenden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:17:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
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     I can understand people not liking one or another (I don't like
all of the episodes myself), but when people start bashing an episode
when they have never seen it cannot be justified.  Bashing episodes 
that have not aired yet or because of their titles are similar to 
a pervious episode of questionable quality is idiotic.

  

      

     
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: *Spoiler* Comments on "Man of the People"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 05:02:23 GMT

Is it just me or is there something very odd about the idea that 
neurotransmitter activity can make your hair grey?

Firestar

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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ???
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:39:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct10.013959.26071
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <1992Oct06.170929.42572@watson.ibm.com> annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com (Brenda Molina) writes:
>|> >     Riker, if promoted, would choose Worf as his first officer.  Remember
>|> >that he did so, with apologies to Data, when he captained a ship in
>|> >a wargames exercise with the Enterprise.
>|> 
>|> Didn't Picard say something like `You can have anyone except Data, who will
>|> be my Number One' ?
>|> 
>
>In the war games episode, Picard kept Data.  In one of the episodes
>where Picard is gone (BOBW??), Riker apologised to Data and had
>Worf as first officer.

I thought Riker selected Commander Shelby as his first officer because
of her expertise concerning the Borg.

Yasmin


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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Oct13.114000.7583@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.145646.3430@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>> Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
>> quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
>> ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
>> reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
>> reviews from this site.

I know how you feel; I'm just more stubborn than you. :-)

>Oh come on!  You have got to be kidding.  Just because there is one clinker 
>every once in awhile (or maybe 2, or 3 or 4 or 10)  does not necessarily 
>make the whole show a complete washout.  Afterall, you have to go through
>alot of chaff to find the wheat.

Yeah, but you're missing the point:  How much chaff is it worth it to go
through before you get to the wheat?  TNG has an *awful* lot of chaff, and
a large proportion which is processed wheat (i.e., white bread).  Finding
that high-quality kernel in there can be pretty hard.  Last season I think
had three great episodes ("Darmok", "I, Borg" and "The Inner Light), and
a few entertaining ones ("The Masterpiece Society", "Cause And Effect"),
and a mess of stuff which just isn't too memorable.

I don't want to watch TV just to see average episode.  There's a LOT of
average stuff out there.  Atsushi probably wants to put his time into LOOKING
for the *great* stuff, rather than *sitting through* the average stuff just
because it's there.

>Judge after you see the episodes, not before - unless you are telling us 
>that you have precognitive powers.

Do you watch every first-run show on television?  Why not?  Are you telling
us that *you* have precognition powers?

If he's actively not enjoying watching the show now, if it's not worth his
time, why should he continue to watch it just in case a good one comes along,
and the odds seem, for his perspective, to be pretty slim in that area.

>				     Your reviews are fun since you are 
>generally fairly wicked - something that most people aren't, including 
>myself.  I often disagree with what you say, but I like to see non-lemming 
>like stuff here.

I agree that it's too bad that he's departing, but... I can really understand
why, and don't see any reason to tear him down because of his decision.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

The Trekkie who doesn't own a VCR.
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From: jbrayton@pdx106 (James Brayton)
Subject: Geordi's pips in Man Of The People
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:24:04 GMT

I noticed in "Man of the People" that the pips on Geordi's costume
had been reversed, that is he had two hollow pips where he should have
had two solid pips and a solid pip where he should have had a hollow
one.  Does this signify anything or is it just a costume screw-up?

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jbrayton@ichips.intel.com
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ??
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:55:55 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <Aep_Lpu00iUzA6MY07@andrew.cmu.edu> mh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Joseph Harris) writes:
>
>Riker would probably not choose either data or Worf..... Remember in the
>Borg episode he chose neither.

But then Cmdr Shelby outranked both of them and had better training
than either of them (as far as the Borg were concerned). But Remember
in Future Imperfect, Data was his 1st officer.  Although just a psuedo
holo-deck creation, it was based on his on ideas, perceptions, and
dreams.

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Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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From: HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka)
Subject: Gentle Reminder About Spoilers
Organization: University of Houston Support Services
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:50:59 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

As a fan on the tail end of the viewing schedule (here in Houston, we don't 
get Relics until Saturday, 10/17), I'd like to, first, thank everyone who 
has added spoiler protection to their posts.  

Merci! (did I spell it right?  7th grade french was *very* long ago)

All you lucky dogs who get TNG early in the week, please keep in mind 
the rest of us who have to wait and remember to identify episode names 
in the subject heading (the subject 'Dyson Sphere' comes to mind...).

All in all, it's kinda nice to see so many people working and playing
so well together...maybe there's hope for us after all. :-)

Lookin' forward to seein' Relics...(now, will the .sig work?????)



Julia Kosatka                
University of Houston
Information Technology Division
Support Services
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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ??
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

TO:kuchar@buast7.bu.edu

TK>>Riker would probably not choose either data or Worf..... Remember in the
TK>>Borg episode he chose neither.

TK>But then Cmdr Shelby outranked both of them and had better training
TK>than either of them (as far as the Borg were concerned).

Shelby didn't outrank Data; they were both lieutenant commanders in Part
1.  Shelby didn't receive the rank of full commander until Part 2, in
which she presumably was promoted to that rank at the same time as being
appointed first officer by Riker.

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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Old/New together
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:48:18 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <81146@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
> 	Why must time be so inflexible as to disallow time travel?  IOW, 
> why can't the view of today be based on a past where time travelers have
> interferred?
> 	Yeah, it seems far fetched that no one would tamper with the 
> important stuff in history, but...
> 

Greetings...I went to UT also!  'Hook 'em Horns!'  Anyway...
Your post gave me an idea.  Wouldn't it be really great if a TNG show
managed to incorporate TOS characters while they were 'still on the
old Enterprise'.  Let's say SULU, who still somewhat looks like his
younger self, gets transported in time to the future...to TNG Enter-
prise.  It would be difficult, because most of the actors have aged
so (no offense)....but with makeup and camera, maybe.  In fact, it would
be interesting to pull out of an OST episode, where something was never
really explained properly, or expanded off another plot.  They could
actually include some OST footage in parts of the show.  It would have
to be done cleverly, to match TNG style and film quality. 
But the plot should somehow be incorporated in the middle of an actual 
OST show.  I think that would be fun.
So far the only OST characters that have come in are when they are 
really aged, etc., like Spock, McCoy.  
Then again, maybe there are just two many years...
Just a thought! 
PC
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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: Transporting in Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:46:53 GMT

In article <92276.144911IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
|Nor I.  In fact, other than the white noising in and out, I don't believe
|that you could see anything in the stream, since you don't have the
|ability to see.  I think, however the whole thing of him seeing and
|grabbing was to be and abstract of being alive in the stream, something
|else I don't agree with.

	Actually, they did make it clear that you could see while being
transported -- Geordi remarked that the effect looked pretty through his
visor.  And there was a comment about objects in the matter stream appearing
to be distorted and magnified.

	'Course, the episode was horrid anyway....


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From: edwardl@freddyk.uucp (Edward Langenback)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:24:37 CDT
Organization: NightMares R Us

ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:

> In article <Bw4DGB.2tG@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) w
> >Don't forget SHADOW LORD - the worst Trek novel of all time: past, present,
> >and future.
> 
> I definitely agree.  It is one of the very few Star Trek books I couldn't
> bare to force myself through even once.  Also, avoid at all costs anything
> by Sondra Mershak and Myrna Culbreath.
> 
   oh?  what about "Mind Sifter" in 'New Voyages 2'?  one of the most
powerfull trek stories ever written.
 
> >My addition to the 'be sure to read' list would be CRISIS ON
> >CENTAURUS - granted, it's been a long time since I've read it,
> >but I remember liking it a lot.
> 
> I would also add _My Enemy, My Ally_ (also by Duane), _Uhura's Song_
 
   good one's indeed, i'll add Dreadnought and Battlestations by Diane 
Carey.  can't wait 'till the next one (if any) in that series, i enjoy 
watching piper in action, *very* reminicent of the original TOS days.


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