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From: defee@tukkasotka.tut.fi (Irek Defee)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: German hate crime resurgence and GDR education since WWII
Date: 5 Oct 1992 09:42:24 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
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In article <1992Oct05.063108.116049@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dan Field (InfoSpunj)) writes:
>     The recent resurgence of neonazi demonstrations and violence
>in Germany is very disturbing.  It makes me wonder just how different
>the two Germanies were raised after World War II.
>     I am well aware that a lot has been done in West Germany in bringing
>awareness about that era, but could someone who knows share what the
>East Germans have been exposed to over the past several generations 
>in this regard?  Do you think that reunification has contributed to the
>current violence, and is it a growing phenomenon, or perhaps something a 
>relatively constant stock of extreemists is perpetuating?

I would attribute the rise of violence, not to the upbringing in East Germany
(which was terrible of course), but mostly to the economy than to
other things. 
In this sense reunification "contributed" to the violence, because of 
unemployment and lack of prospects which young generation feels. However,
in my view that would be quite universal thing, not limited to Germany.
One could even probably make a social barometer based on the
derivative of unemployment in time. Something like this:

Unemlpoyment jumps 
by, say, 5%/year                     Result	

    then 

after 1 year                         Extremist circles appear

after 2 years                        Extermists/mobs get organizations

after 3 years                        Attacks start

after 4 years                        Political extremism gets wider support

etc.

after x (7-8?) years                 Extremists get (democractically !)
                                     elected to power

This was happening in Germany before the IIWW, Hitler came to power
when unemplyment was more than 25%. This is happening in E. Germany now 
because unemployment there jumped from 0 - 20% (?) in three years. But
e.g. in France, National Front is widening its support also.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
From: dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dan Field (InfoSpunj))
Subject: German hate crime resurgence and GDR education since WWII
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 06:31:08 GMT

     The recent resurgence of neonazi demonstrations and violence
in Germany is very disturbing.  It makes me wonder just how different
the two Germanies were raised after World War II.
     I am well aware that a lot has been done in West Germany in bringing
awareness about that era, but could someone who knows share what the
East Germans have been exposed to over the past several generations 
in this regard?  Do you think that reunification has contributed to the
current violence, and is it a growing phenomenon, or perhaps something a 
relatively constant stock of extreemists is perpetuating?
     Thanks for any insight. 
-- 

                                -Daniel R. Field
                                 dfield@nike.calpoly.edu

Newsgroups: alt.politics.org.misc
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:51:04 GMT
From: duxbury@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Ann Duxbury)
Subject: Re: German hate crime resurgence and GDR education since WWII
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:53:47 GMT

Interestingly, the problem of neo-nazi groups may be more entrenched
in the eastern parts of Germany than first believed. I was listening
to the english service of Radio Deutsche Welle last night. They said
that recently released STASI files confirm that well-organized and
equipped neo-nazi groups were active in East Germany as early as the
late 1970's. The report also said that there were massive riots in
Dresden, Rosstock, and Leipzig right up to the fall of the communists.
It also said that they were being directed by West German neo-nazi
leaders.

Amazing what you can hear on shortwave these days...

Bill Currie
-duxbury@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Quayle & Spelling Issues
Organization: The World
	<1992Oct5.001725.7104@news.columbia.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:26:18 GMT


>>   DETROIT (AP) -- Vice President Dan Quayle said Wednesday he would be "at a 
>>big disadvantage" in vice presidential debates because he attended public 
>>schools rather than private schools like Al Gore. "He grew up in Washington, 
>>D.C., and he's the son of a wealthy U.S. senator," said Quayle, himself the 
>>grandson of the founder of the Pulliam newspaper chain. 
>>
>>
>>Maybe someone should tell Dan Quayle it is a debate, not a spelling bee!
>>
>
>Didn't Clinton attend public school?

And wasn't Bush's father none other than former Senator Prescott Bush?

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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Quayle & Spelling Issues
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:17:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.200120.1741@news.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
>Read this on Compuserve
>
>   DETROIT (AP) -- Vice President Dan Quayle said Wednesday he would be "at a 
>big disadvantage" in vice presidential debates because he attended public 
>schools rather than private schools like Al Gore. "He grew up in Washington, 
>D.C., and he's the son of a wealthy U.S. senator," said Quayle, himself the 
>grandson of the founder of the Pulliam newspaper chain. 
>
>
>Maybe someone should tell Dan Quayle it is a debate, not a spelling bee!
>

Didn't Clinton attend public school?

--
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From: John C. Mallery <jcma@ai.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: MAC Hypercard Stack of Clinton-Gore Position Papers and Speeches
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:39:29 GMT

A MAC Hypercard Stack of Clinton-Gore Position Papers and Speeches is
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note to Michael (msagosta@cs.unlv.edu), who along with JBLIII authored
the Mac stack.

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From: cigs13@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Help some overseas Americans to register and vote.
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:34:01 GMT


Mah Fellow Americans (or any who live in Connecticut at least) -

My wife and I are both Yankees who have been living overseas for some time now,
and we haven't gotten around to registering this time for an absentee ballot...
 

We really would like to be able to vote.  Can anyone tell us how we can do this
(register in time that is)?

Thanks,  ADAM GILINSKY




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From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: [soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.usa] Re: Americans! *smile*
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:18:34 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep28.140445.310@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
      I sense that it is rooted in neither, but is rather rooted in the
    fact that for the past quarter century, with the sole exception of the
    Carter administration, American foreign policy has been consistently and
    thoroughly despicable.  And it is rooted in the fact that American
    jingoists have appropriated the idea of patriotism to support every
    vicious, imperialist, and antidemocratic action of the United States
    government.  When was the last time you heard any American publicly or
    privately invoke patriotism in an appeal for support of the ideals of
    the Declaration of Independence, the values of the Constitution, or the
    Whitmanesque vision of America as a unique and mystical bonding of human
    individualism and fusion?  No:  never since the day I was born has the
    flag of patriotism in my country been run up for any causes other than
    the suppression of progressive dissent, the enforcement of obience to
    establishment dictates, and the furtherance of brutal and selfish
    overseas military adventures.

       In short, American patriotism in our time does not mean love of
    country:  it has come to mean lack of commitment to the common good,
    unquestioning obedience to the chief executive, contempt for the
    Constitution, and a satisfied smacking of lips over the piling up of
    third world corpses.  That kind of patriotism deserves contempt, and the
    people of the world know it.   


This kind of drivel is just plain nonsense.  If this country is so bad, then
why are Hatians braving the open sea in leaky boats trying to get here?
Why do people world wide clamor to get in?  The US is the most caring, 
powerful, and concerned with other countries country in the history of
the world.

Vicious actions?  We sent people in to throw Hussain out of Kuwait, we
gave Panama back to the freely elected leaders of that country, we were
praised for helping the people of Granada take back their country.  We pump
so much foreign aid into countries (some of whom don't even really care
about us) that we are going broke doing it.  We have helped the two
major countries we fought in World War II become two of the greatest
economic powers in the world.

Nope, I have no qualms about being proud to be an American!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: [soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.usa] Re: Americans! *smile*
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:04:45 GMT

A repost from soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.usa:

From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Americans! *smile*
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:39:25 GMT

silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:


>I sense that stock anti-americanism and attendant contempt for 
>american patriotism is less rooted in any intrinsic European wisdom or
>modesty than in a fairly petty, vicious desire to see the US in trouble.

   I sense that it is rooted in neither, but is rather rooted in the
fact that for the past quarter century, with the sole exception of the
Carter administration, American foreign policy has been consistently and
thoroughly despicable.  And it is rooted in the fact that American
jingoists have appropriated the idea of patriotism to support every
vicious, imperialist, and antidemocratic action of the United States
government.  When was the last time you heard any American publicly or
privately invoke patriotism in an appeal for support of the ideals of
the Declaration of Independence, the values of the Constitution, or the
Whitmanesque vision of America as a unique and mystical bonding of human
individualism and fusion?  No:  never since the day I was born has the
flag of patriotism in my country been run up for any causes other than
the suppression of progressive dissent, the enforcement of obience to
establishment dictates, and the furtherance of brutal and selfish
overseas military adventures.

   In short, American patriotism in our time does not mean love of
country:  it has come to mean lack of commitment to the common good,
unquestioning obedience to the chief executive, contempt for the
Constitution, and a satisfied smacking of lips over the piling up of
third world corpses.  That kind of patriotism deserves contempt, and the
people of the world know it.   
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: Cult. Elitism: The Real Issue
Followup-To: alt.politics.usa.misc
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:08:50 GMT

What are the opinions of the people reading this newsgroup concerning the
new issue of cultural elitism? As an undergraduate senior, I feel cultural
elitism is a legitimate concern but a difficult topic to debate since there
are so many facets to it. But the primary issue is that HOW MUCH TV,
MOVIES, RADIO AFFECT AMERICAN CULTURE AND THE AMERICAN MIND IS FINALLY
BEING DISCUSSED.

First let me define some things. I posted this to alt.parents-teens. BIG
MISTAKE :-) They didn't want to hear about it. One just wanted to hear
advice for his thirteen year old kid. The other accused the issue of being
a ploy of the conservative right. I.E. No one even argued about it. Hence
my first post to this newsgroup (roommate suggested that this was more
appropriate).

Cultural elites in this argument is defined as the upper echelon of people
who control the content and creativity in Hollywood. I'd also talk about
the news media, but they're another industry entirely. Thus, cultural
elitism is not a reference to snottie Ivy students or smarter-than-thou
attitudes (some people think this is synonymous which makes me wonder their
minds are). It's a LABEL which is inclusive of a "class" of people with
POWER.

Well, what I told alt.parents-teens. I believed that one of the reasons why
there is an imbalance in Hollywood is because "the arts" is stereotyped as
a non-professional occupation, ie. not medicine, law, or business. The
stereotype also labels it as decadent, too risky, subversive and so on.
Thus, (if you want to break it down into a family thing) the children of
such families are not inclined to enter the arts, but rather a more
"professional" occupation. Or maybe goody-two-shoes kids don't make good
bleeding hearts. :-) There will be exceptions, but I feel that a stereotype
is definitely in effect. 

THE KEY UNDERSTANDING (THAT THEY DID NOT ADOPT) IS THAT THE
ENTERTAINMENT/MASS COMMUNICATIONS BUSINESS IS A MODE OF POWER. I told
alt.parents-teens: by forbidding your children from entering this mode of
power, you are further pushing the family towards extinction. It sounds
rather crude, and maybe it was too much...

But enough about families. I only broke it down that way because I was
writing to alt.parents-teens.

My main proposal is that I would like to hear feedback on other's people's
opinions on the issue PARTICULARLY: How much control does TV, movies, radio
have on American culture and if it does indeed have control, then is there
some kind of balance we need to achieve (in terms of liberal/conservative
POV's). Neutrality isn't the answer since that would kill creativity.

--
Mos Eisley  
"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
on TV networks
From: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ken Fisler)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: Improving the nation's infrastructure
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:22:11 GMT


On the 4th of June this year (1992) Democratic Senator Albert
Gore of Tennessee introduced a bill, S. 2813, as a companion to a
pending House bill, H.R. 2772, that would establish in the GPO
[Government Printing Office] a single point of free online public
access, through federal depository libraries, to a wide range of
federal databases that contain electronically stored public
information. The Gore bill would also provide public access to 
agency databases through computer networks like the Internet and
the future National Research and Education Network (NREN) for a
fee, not to exceed "the incremental cost of dissemination." The
House bill, the GPO Wide Information  Network for Data Online
(WINDO) Act of 1991, will be considered at a hearing tentatively
set for July 23 before the House Administration Committee. The 
full text of the new Senate bill, the GPO Gateway to Government
Act of 1992, is in the Congressional Record on page S7600. It was
referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee. 

A broad spectrum of research, educational and public interest
organizations support H.R. 2772, including the American Library
Association, the Association of Research Libraries and the 
Medical Library Association. Because it will give the general
public access to a wealth of government information, this bill
should lead to a more open government and a better informed 
electorate, aims which, I think we would all agree, are in the
best interest of this country. I would hope that members of the
network community will support this important legislation and
other similar legislation to come by supporting Bill Clinton and
Al Gore for president and vice-president.

	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
	Bitnet: 	bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
	Audio:		Ken Fisler
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From: aa001@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Grundner)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: Campaign '92 Documents Available--FREE
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: aa001@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Grundner)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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   The National Public Telecomputing Network (NPTN), is pleased to 
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   We are teaming-up with the American Cybercasting Corporation to 
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   These special newsgroups will be delivered directly to your
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From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: [soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.usa] Re: Americans! *smile*
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:13:48 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

As Paul Harvey says: "We aren't perfect, but we aren't done yet!".
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:04:31 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <Oct.4.01.08.38.1992.21416@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>
>
>     Is this the individual the American people should send to
>The White House?

	Given a choice between someone who resisted the draft, and
someone who was once head of the CIA, I'll take the former every time.


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:00:30 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

So instead of Clinton, we should return Bush to office? A guy
who approved of illegally selling chemical and nuclear arms
production equipment to Saddam Hussein up to just two days
before the invasion of Kuwait? Sure. Sounds like Dornan needs
a sense of proportion.
From: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.misc
Subject: Improving the nation's infrastructure
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:30:01 GMT


On the 4th of June this year (1992) Democratic Senator Albert
Gore of Tennessee introduced a bill, S. 2813, as a companion to a
pending House bill, H.R. 2772, that would establish in the GPO
[Government Printing Office] a single point of free online public
access, through federal depository libraries, to a wide range of
federal databases that contain electronically stored public
information. The Gore bill would also provide public access to 
agency databases through computer networks like the Internet and
the future National Research and Education Network (NREN) for a
fee, not to exceed "the incremental cost of dissemination." The
House bill, the GPO Wide Information  Network for Data Online
(WINDO) Act of 1991, will be considered at a hearing tentatively
set for July 23 before the House Administration Committee. The 
full text of the new Senate bill, the GPO Gateway to Government
Act of 1992, is in the Congressional Record on page S7600. It was
referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee. 

A broad spectrum of research, educational and public interest
organizations support H.R. 2772, including the American Library
Association, the Association of Research Libraries and the 
Medical Library Association. Because it will give the general
public access to a wealth of government information, this bill
should lead to a more open government and a better informed 
electorate, aims which, I think we would all agree, are in the
best interest of this country. I would hope that members of the
network community will support this important legislation and
other similar legislation to come by supporting Bill Clinton and
Al Gore for president and vice-president.

	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
	Bitnet: 	bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
	Audio:		Ken Fisler
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