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From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:20:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <melissa.4.726186706@radio.wkar.msu.edu>, melissa@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Melissa Ingells) writes:
WELL, I TEND ALSO TO 
:DREAM MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE SO I GUESS JUST IN TERMS OF MATHEMATICS 
:MOST THINGS OCCUR IN MY DREAMS MORE THAN IN THE DREAMS OF MANY OTHER 
:PEOPLE.  HOWEVER, YOUR DREAMS MAY CHANGE AS YOU GO THROUGH VARIOUS 
:LIFE STAGES...THEN AGAIN, MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIMILAR PATTERNS ALL THEIR 
:LIVES.   THAT IS NICE THAT YOUR FRIENDS ARE IN YOUR DREAMS, THOUGH.  
:IT'S FUNNY HOW POWERFUL THAT CAN BE--YOU ALMOST WAKE UP FEELING AS IF 
:YOU'D HAD A VISIT....WELL, ANYWAY, HAPPY DREAMS.
:

Just a little quibble on this. Dream research indicates that everybody
dreams about the same amount. It would be more correct to say that you
remember more of your dreams than most people.
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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Brain Capacity ? (Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:40:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.042210.9698@wam.umd.edu> angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.) writes:
>
>I have the same thing - only on very rare occasions is the lighting
>unusually bright or dark - it's usually right around the brightness of
>things like stores or my room or whatever.  I have two theories:
>A) That's the light level I see 90% of the time while awake...
>B) My brain doesn't like having to create shadows.

I like theory B as my brain refuses to reveal any details in the
surroundings of my dream (objects that aren't important to the
dream). When I try to study one of these objects more closely, it
usually results in me waking up.

Example:
In one dream I was walking past a large tower towards an unknown
destination. The tower didn't seem important, I just decided to stop
and study it's details. As soon as I looked at it, it blurred and I
found myself awake.

It looks like if I request more information from the dream than it
can produce it just bails out. This has happened several times lately.
From: mcnichol@ERE.UMontreal.CA (McNichols Andre)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:53:09 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1993Jan6.184755.28038@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) writes:

--- Some interesting stuff deleted, read previous posts for details ---

In a few of my rare lucid dreams I remember going outside and it was a nice
summer day.  It was sunny and I could see better than in real life without
my glasses.  I've never seen plants so green in real life and everything
was extremely real.  Most of my dreams are full of grey and the colors are
almost never very bright but in these lucid dreams there were plenty of light.

Is it usual to see better in lucid dreams than in ordinary dreams?


Andre
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From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Sleep Disorders Res. Report disclosed
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:10:10 GMT

In <1993Jan8.133854.13430@bsu-ucs> 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

> According to the National Commission on Sleep Disorders Research, Americans
> are becoming menaces to themselves by not getting enough sleep...

> ...In the last century, Americans have reduced their amount of sleep by 20%.
> Adults should get 7 hrs. of sleep a night, on average, while some people
> need more than 8 hrs.

Interesting.  I have a book - at least ten years old - called _Sleep Less,
Live More_, which contains instructions for reducing the amount of sleep
one gets each day (or night, if you will :-).  I can't put my hands on it
right now, or I'd give more details.

Gary
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From: cscon123@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: flying in dreams
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:35:29 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1993Jan3.042218.1@climat.geology.yale.edu>, zhang@climat.geology.yale.edu writes:
> 
> 	Not long ago I dreamt flying for the first time in my life: It was in
> the mountainous village my family used to live. I took off in a neighbor's 
> courtyard, not like a bird; instead, I felt like a swimmer rising in deep
> water, and I was literally swimming in the air. I reached an altitude 
> just good for a bird's-eye view of the village and went around effortlessly, 
> watching the familiar houses and courtyards and streets. My feeling in the 
> dream was pleasantly sensational.
> 
> 	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
> of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
> will be appreciated.
> 
> 					Taiping Zhang
>   
In the article flying in dreams is an often dreamt experience for me.
Flying in my dreams is not unusoual exept that those dreams are not all
pleasant. At some times I go up without a limit untill I become scared
and somehow with some control I get my self down. how ever there are flights
that are controlled and pleasant. In my flying dreams I am usually running
from some people or event. However, my last dream was the most pleasant.
In the dream I flying was  real and factual to me and I actually was humoring
two somewhat familiar people with as if hide and seek.

My explaination to such dreams is based on the fact that I have one of the
highest imagination levels. In dreaming a contrast hapenns between my consious
and subconsious. since my consious is imaginative and my subconsious is aware
of a different reality I fly. now the hight and control and comfort of flying
are close indicators of how realistic I am or that there might be a danger in 
my social or ordinary life "college" and "work".

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From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: DREAMS
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:03:09 GMT

miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:

>In article <C0HxzH.GwD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath) writes:

>I've been doing this, on and off, for years -- the technique
>is no mystery to me.  What IS a mystery is how elusive dream
>memories are, still.  Alan Hobson says that the real reason
>traces back to the neurochemistry of dreaming -- that the
>chemical environment of the brain inhibits learning at critical
>points.


Try not moving your HEAD when you awaken.  I read a theory about
head movement shifting memory pathwaves within the brain itself as
the liquid is moved around.  If you still have no recall, gently
shift your head back into the position that you probably were in
upon awakening.  It works for me.

Another common dream recally technique for me is the LIFE REVIEW
method.  If I cannot recall the dream(s) I go through a little
checklist while taking my morning shower of all of the people that
are important to me right now or in the past.  I also think about
scenes that often appear in my dreams;  school, old workplaces, etc.

Most importantly I suggest that the best way to increase your
chances of dream recall (other than pre-sleep suggestion and keeping
a journal, of course) is to get away from waking to an alarm and/or
clock radio.  My best Christmas present was an alarm clock tape
player that allows me to awaken to whatever tape I choose.  So far
I have been waking up to classical/new age music.  I plan on
experimenting with recored messages, "You are dreaming... etc.."

Happy travels!

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Re: accosting dream characters.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:39:07 GMT




[deleted bit about getting shot: ouch]
>the shots did not blow me back or knock me down, so when she turned to leave
>i ran after her and caught her by the shoulders.  i turned her to face me,
>and tried to tell her that i was dreaming, she was a dream character, ect.
>but the whole time, she would not look directly at me.  when i had her by the 
>shoulders, she turned her head away.  i caught her chin in an effort to bring
>her eyes to meet mine and she closed them.  at that point i lost lucidity.

>has anyone else had dream characters that just absolutely would not look at 
>you?

I read in one article (want the refernce?) that dream characters will
avoid looking you in the eye sometime, because you can "lock" them in
place with a stare, if you try to.
 
Then again, it may be some sort of symbolic thing.  Who knows?
 
          Nice post!
 
                                                  Nik
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: SUNSHINE IN DREAMS ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:47:55 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Peter Mcnamee (Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au) wrote:

: I read once that it's very difficult (impossible?) to switch on a light
: when in a dream.

: Perhaps the light level in your dreams is set.  It doesn't have to actually
: mean anythin I wouldn't think...then again...

	Just a few days ago I had a dream where my brother and I were in a
strangers house trying to fix a broken light.  It was hanging in a multilevel
basement about three stories underground.  As I tightened the bracket the bulb
came on and went off numerous times.  I gave the bracket one more twist of the
screwdriver and the whole thing shattered.  Next we fumbled around with wierd
extension cords that had all male three four and five prong plugs on them.
Then the alarm went off.  If it had been a weekend, I'm sure this would have
developed further.  The light while it was on was very bright, but the basement
was dim gray.

	Andy Wing
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From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: What can't you dream about?
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:23:08 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Wed  7 Jan 93 21:10, Pv@gagme.chi.il.us (paul Vader)
wrote:

 PV> death experiences with. You can't dream about dreamless sleep,
 PV> because then
 PV> it wouldn't be dreamless, would it? PV

Apologies...I didn't read your message correctly.  Dreaming of dreamless
sleep...yes...I see your point.

I feel so cheap :)


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: jrabatin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jennifer Rabatin)
Subject: accosting dream characters.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:56:21 GMT



last evening i had a dream where i was within a room that had only one exit.
however, between myself and the door to this room, there was a female dream
character.  she was pointing a gun directly at my chest, and when i realize
that escape was impossible, i became lucid.  she then shot me twice.  once
in the chest, and once in the head.  i felt the shots, much pain involved.
after she made the shots, she turned to walk out the door of the room.
the shots did not blow me back or knock me down, so when she turned to leave
i ran after her and caught her by the shoulders.  i turned her to face me,
and tried to tell her that i was dreaming, she was a dream character, ect.
but the whole time, she would not look directly at me.  when i had her by the 
shoulders, she turned her head away.  i caught her chin in an effort to bring
her eyes to meet mine and she closed them.  at that point i lost lucidity.

has anyone else had dream characters that just absolutely would not look at 
you?

Xref: sparky alt.dreams:4671 alt.out-of-body:713
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
Subject: dream vs. OOBE (was Re: Flying in Dream...)
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:18:39 GMT

In <1993Jan8.204606.14065@coe.montana.edu> [of alt.dreams]
	drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:

> Power lines have in the past presented an odd problem for me, as well.  It
> wasn't so much that I had a fear of hitting them, but instead had a sensation
> of being actually drawn toward them or that my control would be interfered 
> with in some manner.
>
> An interesting side note, anytime I encountered said lines, the belonged to
> a real-world landscape.  There's never been such a feature in a fabricated
> dream-scape.  Odd?

Do you suppose it's possible that what you're identifying as a dream might
actually be an out-of-body experience?  (Note that I'm cross-posting this
article to alt.out-of-body.)

Gary
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Flying in Dream...
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:46:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.231824.21328@npal.rn.com> cthomas@npal.rn.com writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.084815.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>, watling_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>> 
>>> 	Any people out there who have ever dreamt flying (not in a plane. 
>>> of course) ?  Share you experience with me. Analyses of this kind of dreams
>>> will be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 					Taiping Zhang
>> 
>> My last flying dream was years back but I remember it clearly. I had to lie on
>> my back with my arms at my side. I first made small circles with hands out flat,
>> just using the wrists. Once I got off the ground I could do circles from my
>> elbows and finally as my height increased I made great sweeping circles with my
>> whole arm. I rememebr fearing hitting power lines...
>
>That is very interesting to me that you mentioned the power lines.  For a long
>time I have had a fear of not being able to get high enough soon enough to
>clear power lines.


Power lines have in the past presented an odd problem for me, as well.  It
wasn't so much that I had a fear of hitting them, but instead had a sensation
of being actually drawn toward them or that my control would be interfered 
with in some manner.
An interesting side note, anytime I encountered said lines, the belonged to
a real-world landscape.  There's never been such a feature in a fabricated
dream-scape.  Odd?


-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
You know what they say, what goes around. . .usually gets dizzy and falls over.
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: nightmares
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:57:51 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <dsmither.726463220@cunews> dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers) writes:

>me. My dreams have complex relationships to what has and is going on in
>my life.  

...as have most dreams of most people.

>As I have (over the past few years, but especially quite
>recently) begun to work out what I now realize are some pretty heavy
>issues from my past I can better understand the meanings of some of
>the very 'uneasy' representations in my dreams.  

Exactly, this is (IMHO) the right way of dream interpretation: since
dreams come out of yourself, you have to interpret them out of
yourself. Many people are still believing in dream interpretation
following fixed symbols, but they are probably lucky if they catch 10%
of those symbols...

And don't miss to interpret the real terror dreams as well! They can
give you probably the insight required to get rid of them.

>I used to hate going to sleep some of the time because of my
>nightmares.  But now at least I am understanding them better and there
>appears to be more clarity in them, and they are decreasing.

The classic vicious circle of nightmares: from fear of getting
nightmares, you will get nightmares. I, as a child, had a time when I
would really fear sleeping from fear of nightmares. Fortunately this
got better, but I suspect that working with your dreams and getting
used to lucid dreaming can relieve the problem. (I've had no real
nightmares for quite a time now.)

Olaf

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: can't be lucid dreaming
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:45:55 GMT

glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer ) writes:

>I have had some strange experiences with dreams.   On a couple
>of occasions I have had nightmares where I have woken up, and
>I feel like my head is going a million miles a second, I can

	This is called a night terror.  There is some medical
reason for it, but it boils down to you are awake but the 
"dream mechanism" is still running.   It is more common in
children, and having a fever can trigger sometimes in 
adults also.

	I used to get these as a child, and they became less
and less frequent as I got older.  The last one must have been
years ago.  When it was happening, I would feel a terror that 
eclipsed everything.

Jim Del Vecchio.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Do deaf people speak in dreams?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:53:43 GMT

In a hasty read through of some articles at a nearby university
(besides the one I go to) I came across some interesting articles.
Some to do with language learning and dreams, some to do with deafness
and dreams, some with therapy and lucid dream techniques as a combined
therapy.  Very interesting stuff.  But I remembered someone asking in
here before, do deaf people speak or sign in dreams?  Well, apparently
it's a either or both situation.
 
The writer of the article (specifics?  Well, I forgot to write it
down, but I guess I could find out if anyone wants to know) said that
most people weren't exactly sure HOW they communicated in dreams, and
that such communication could come across as PURE communication,
similar to telepathy.  Well, I never thought of my dream-speaking that
way before, having always thought of it as regular speech.  Apparently
deaf people sometimes sign, sometimes speak, depending on what?
Nothing, really.  Depending on what their experiences are with dreams.
 
One person said that they spoke to people who could hear, and signed
to those who were deaf!  Some said they weren't sure, they just
communicated, and they don't know how this happens.
 
The reason I raise this is that language might not matter at all in
dreams.  If you consider that communication with the "beings" in
dreams is parts of your mental self communicating with other parts of
your mental self, the language is just convenience.  I wonder if the
person who said they spoke spanish in dreams actually spoke real
spanish, or a butchered version.  What I mean is, it may have seemed
like you were speaking spanish, but that the communication is beyond
that mere language level.  (Does that make sense?)  That the
communication is occurring "telepathicly" and that the actual sounds
made don't really matter.
 
Something people might want to try, that I'm going to:  try talking to
other characters telepathicly in a dream.  Could be interesting.
 
 
                                                            Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Re: Sleep Disorders Res. Report disclosed
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:11:39 GMT





>According to the National Commission on Sleep Disorders Research, Americans are
>becoming menaces to themselves by not getting enough sleep.  A report given at
>a news conference on January 6, 1993, estimated direct costs of sleep disorders
>was $15.9 billion and the indirect costs were $150 billion in 1990.

Last night I was up until 5 am writing up a paper on the topic of
dreams.  Irony.
 
                                                  Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: Yourself vs. lucidity (was Re: One way to lose lucidity....)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:29:31 GMT

s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.175003.10696@seq.uncwil.edu> brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis) writes:

>>course, experiencing a false awakening.  I often have dreams which
>>incorporate the actual wearing of the DreamLight in the dreams -
>>whether I am wearing it or not!  I always use this as an opportunity
>>to do a reality check.

>Seems your mind is tricky - it tries to fool yourself about the fact
>that you're dreaming even when you use the DL to stop this. Is there a
>function in the mind which works against lucid dreams?


I believe this to be so, Olaf.  It would seem that their is a dream
censor of sorts that doesn't want you to go lucid.  There have been
so many occasions when various reality checks have FAILED and still
my dreaming mind convinced me that I wasn't dreaming!  Of course,
then I awaken dismayed at myself for the rationalization.

Michael "trying to stay aware" Shea  (brownt@seq.uncwil.edu)
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: One way to lose lucidity....
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:54:56 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Katherine Merle Mason (katherim@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
: Last night I dreamed I was dreaming again.  This is a strange phenomenon
: and is particularly annoying because the dream I dreamed I was dreaming
: was a lucid dream, and when I dreamed I woke up, I lost lucidity because
: I thought it was real.  I just reread that.  It sounds like a joke, but
: it's not, really.

	Often my dreams will be buried several levels deep like this and I'll
'wake up' several times before actually waking up.  Whats even more bizarre
is that the harder I try to remain lucid, the faster the cycles become.

	Andy Wing
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