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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:35:09 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson



 By today's standards of saturday morning cartoons I think that the X-men
cartoon stands up pretty well. It is not a Disney classic but it is far
from the Teenage mutant Ninja turtles also. The characters are interesting
and the dialogue is far from the usual inane crap we see. As for Batman
it strikes me now as being little more than  "mood" visuals now. The
previously mentioned square heads and continuous "dark and eery" 
backgrounds are getting a bit old for me frankly....

 Sure there are some relatively minor problems but that is to be expected. I 
would rather see the show as is than not have such a cartoon available. If
you have a chance to catch one of the old X-Men cartoons from the Marvel
series I think you will realize that this is nowhere near as bad as it
could be... someone already mentioned the bogus Ausie accent given to
Wolverine in the old cartoon but if you see some of the "guest appearance" 
jobs the X-men did you see even worse animation and worse character
presentations. All in all I think it is pretty good considering how
bad many of the previous Marvel cartoons and movies have been....


			gln
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX#298: Letters Page Bigot
Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:25:06 GMT
Organization: Bladder Control Central Office 3704
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > I know this has nothing to do with the current storyline (or maybe
 > it does), but It simply amazes me the vehement bigotry that
 > embraces so many people. My God it's so deeply embedded in this
 > society I'm sure it'll take decades to ween it to a more tolerant
 > and kinder society.  Jami Johnson is such a blatant example of
 > this "ugly" trait.  It was nice, however, to see the restrained
 > yet sharply contrasting reply Bob Harris gave to that willfully
 > hateful fan.  I find Marvel's (as well as D.C.'s and others') move
 > toward tolerance a refreshing and enlightening challenge.
 > Afterall, a good number of comics fans are preteens and slightly
 > older.  Perhaps Marvel, like others is doing it part to help
 > change this great nation of ours, and perhaps the whole world and
 > to help bring a little tolerance into the lives of mostly young
 > boys who might've otherwise grown up to be hateful of those they
 > don't understand, and perhaps, even give others a little hope and
 > a sense of self-respect.

Would you care to share with the rest of us the nature of this letter?
I haven't bought an X-MEN in a while.
From: bert@snowman.med.umn.edu (Albert Nakano  CBN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re:  Bishop Energy Redirection, Stryfe Circuitry
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:53:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.C0rp5x.K9p
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1isglgINN4qs@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:
>In article <707@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (Ian David Bremner) writes:
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>>Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't Cable nail Bishop with an energy weapon
>>while they (Cable, Bishop, and Wolverine) were raiding Department K?  I am sure
>>that Bishop used this energy blast to hit Cable back. 
>>I don't think that this blast would be considered a mutant energy.
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>>(If I am right, can't Bishop just walk around and shoot himself when ever he
>>needs a charge?)
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>Cable said something to the effect: "Oh.  You're the energy channeler, huh? 
>  Guess that doesn't include kinetic energy."  And he shoots him with bullets,
>  and their projectile kinetic energy.  Strangely, he doesn't die - guess he's 
>  tougher than he looks against bullets, too.
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Bishop's uniform includes body armor.  Look back to the issue in which his two
subordinates from the future die in the fire fight.  Bishop says that his armor
absorbed the worst of it, or something like that.
>>------------------------idbremne@thunder.lakeheadu.ca--------------------------
>>Rule 1.  Guilt Goes Away!
>>Rule 2.  What your __ doesn't know, wont hurt it.  What your __ finds out, DENY
>>Rule 3.  Perfect Excuse = 'Hey, it's my nature."
>
>Mike C.  (Zen)
>
>-- 
>Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
>a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
>reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
>corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.

no sig yet, 
Albert Nakano
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From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: UX 298 *SPOILERS*
Keywords: This, that, and the other
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:21:44 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan8.224159.26531@nmsu.edu> cyclops@acca.nmsu.edu (The One Eyed Demon) writes:
>Well, here it is.  The return of the Alcolytes.
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>Jean and Archangel run Bishop and Gambit through a Danger Room game of
>'tag' while Storm and the Professor meet Sgt. Charlotte Jones (where has
>she been hiding at lately?) in the park to get some coroner's report
>(we don't find out what it's about and probably never will) when Charles
>receives a psionic call for help from Dr. Sharon Friedlander.  Dr. Fried-
>lander is attacked by the Alcolytes.  The Prof gets the team together
>to go to the school where Dr. Friedlander is at.  Unfortunately, the 
>Alcolytes are already there and attack a school bus full of kids.
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>The bus driver kills one of the Alcolytes and is pegged as one of Xavier's
>"operatives". (Anyone know who this guy is?  I don't.)  It's about now

  Tom Corsi, a Cop who was changed into an indian along with Sharon Friedlander, she was a nurse, don't know when she became a doctor.

>that the X-Men burst onto the scene.  One of the newest Alcolytes is
>Frenzy (last seen in New Mutants Annual #7).  She gets taken out by Gambit
>while Jean deals with a pair of twins.

  They were Triplets but the Mutant just killed by Tom was the Third Brother.

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>He hasn't developed his powers yet and is unaware of his potential.  The
>Alcolytes want him to join the flock, but discover he has Downs Syndrome.
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					Jorge Delacruz
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:38:39 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1993Jan12.032041.12929@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub/SGP '93) writes:
> now I love it.  The only thing that worries me about X-Men is that it seems a
> little more geared for children unlike Batman which also has a nice appeal to
> the older comic book crowd.

 Hmmm... I liked the X-men cartoon for the exact opposite reason. It seemed
to me that the dialogue was geared for older audiences. I can't remember
all of the remarks but stmts such as "What bug flew up her shorts?" and
"Kiss this" were pretty good as were the interactions between Cyclops and
Wolverine after and before the death of Morph and the capture of Beast.
They clearly are not the black and white characters we see in most 
animated shows.

			gln

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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Excalibur's Future SPOILERS
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:26:05 GMT

Just read a synopsis of Excalibur #36 in 'Previews'
and *Spoilers Ahead*

The RCX thing winds up and Dark Phoenix shows up.
Yes it said DARK Phoenix; Like WHY?
Hope it not just an excuse to kill off Rachel {Remember "Jean Grey"?}
and that the writers remember that Phoenix and the Universe are linked
(Excalibur #26 and #32) {Can you say 'I smell another Retcon' or 'more
Marvel bad writing ahead'?}
Not the best sign of things to come for Excalibur.
Here is hoping 'Previews' is wrong {I mean a synopsis of an issue 4 months down
the line}
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From: me@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (My Account)
Subject:  Re: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:18:43 GMT


Just off of the top of my head.

Things in the October shows that were cut out of the Jan. show.
1) After Jubilee knocks Rogue and Storm down, Storm said
   "I belive it's called youth, Rogue" (in response to rogue saying, "What
    bug crawled up her shorts.")
2)  After Gambit sees the Sentinel about to smash through the store           
    window, he runs back to push the salesgirl out of the way, she
    said, "Well color me irresistible." (or something like that)
3) After Jubilee was captured, the X-Men were watching TV (the president's
   message ?). In October, she was sitting there w/ them. In Jan. she
   wasn't.
4) The uniform of the soldiers waiting behind the door was made to be 
    consistent between parts I and II.

New things in the Jan. show.
1) After the sentinel says something, "ok we will take the mutant
into custody (meaning Beast)", the soldier turns and says something
like "forget it robot, he's my prisoner."
2) Longer scene of Wolverine stabbing his claws into the sentinel's
back in the final battle.
3) Jean Grey without clothes. ooops I guess not.


The best thing about the show was the accents especially Rogue and
Storm. Also, it was good that Gambit's canjun accent wasn't too
exaggerated.

ok, ok, my brother got a copy the October show and I saw it about
10 times over Christmas break. He also got a copy of the first animation
special. It was pretty funny. Wolverine had an Australian accent.
Colossus and Nightcrawler had totally exagerated acccents. Dazz was the
coolest.
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From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: Re: The Cloak and Dagger Curse (was Re: X-Men & Doom Patrol)
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:02:53 GMT


goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

>In article <C0IwDr.Jyy@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
>writes:

>)...although those are darned interesting parallels. Almost makes me want to
>)trot back out my Cloak and Dagger are Viral Book-killer proof, just for
>)fun...
>	I wonder if Fabian Nicieza knows about the proof? Cloak and Dagger
>just showed up in _New Warriors_. Let's see what happens to that book.

One can hope.

	              ---jeff "nah, that'd be TOO quick 'n' painless" c., ncsu.

--
     jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu      \\              To KLH:
 "I don't know where you took   --=--      Love ya, Katya!
 me, but I didn't want to leave."   \\  have clue, will travel.
       ---------------------------------------------------
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: The Cloak and Dagger Curse (was Re: X-Men & Doom Patrol)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:33:39 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>)...although those are darned interesting parallels. Almost makes me want to
>)trot back out my Cloak and Dagger are Viral Book-killer proof, just for
>)fun...
>
>	I wonder if Fabian Nicieza knows about the proof? Cloak and Dagger
>just showed up in _New Warriors_. Let's see what happens to that book.
>
>-- 
>   David Goldfarb          | 

Well, as one David talking to another, Dave, you have to remember that the
C&D Virus takes a while to get itself worked in. Also, lately, it's been
losing some of its virulence:  all that happened to West Coast Avengers is
that their name was switched around to Avengers West Coast. In the early
stages of the epidemic, they would have been cancelled, and only after
suffering an embarrasing defeat at the hands of the Mole Man (although,
actually, there is *no* defeat at the hands of the Mole Man that is not
embarrasing).

Me, I'm justa hoping they stay out of Doom Patrol. Wait a minute, wrong
company -- *whew*!

"Go back to work! You did not hear gunfire!" --Richard Darwin

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re:  Bishop Energy Redirection, Stryfe Circuitry
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:09:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <707@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (Ian David Bremner) writes:

>Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't Cable nail Bishop with an energy weapon
>while they (Cable, Bishop, and Wolverine) were raiding Department K?  I am sure
>that Bishop used this energy blast to hit Cable back. 
>I don't think that this blast would be considered a mutant energy.
>
>(If I am right, can't Bishop just walk around and shoot himself when ever he
>needs a charge?)

Cable said something to the effect: "Oh.  You're the energy channeler, huh? 
  Guess that doesn't include kinetic energy."  And he shoots him with bullets,
  and their projectile kinetic energy.  Strangely, he doesn't die - guess he's 
  tougher than he looks against bullets, too.

>------------------------idbremne@thunder.lakeheadu.ca--------------------------
>Rule 1.  Guilt Goes Away!
>Rule 2.  What your __ doesn't know, wont hurt it.  What your __ finds out, DENY
>Rule 3.  Perfect Excuse = 'Hey, it's my nature."

Mike C.  (Zen)

-- 
Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Rogue & Gambit (in X-Men #297)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:46:12 GMT

In article <Bz7wDI.AHF@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>
>So sorry, then. Rogue's been in all the five main X-books since the Muir
>Island incident, and has absorbed nobody. She's just flown around and
>bopped things. 
>
Which of course she shouldn't be able to do because Carol Danvers' had been
separated from Rogue...except that that's *all* Rogue seems to do these days.
When *was* the last time Rogue used her absorption powers?

Mike
From: mrpeters@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Holger Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Richard Darwin
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:44:42 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Darwin

I know this must date or otherwise humiliate me in some fashion, but who the
hell is Richard Darwin????????? Perhaps dhenry could explain this too me, and
anybody else too shy to ask.
Reply to mrpeters@ocf.berkeley.edu, please.


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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: It's Slander (Was: Re: Slanderous attacks by Dhenry (or is it libel?)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:25:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.010013.21564@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
>
>Believe it or not, I enjoyed the issue of Excalibur by Lobdell and James Fry.
>The story had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and the art was pretty 
>decent.
>
Not the story about Brian sharing a room with Peter Parker in his younger days,
was it, by any chance? That was probably the first thing written by Lobdell
that I liked...

Mike

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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:04:32 GMT


* Ok people I'm Baaack. Just checked out previews last week and as my title
* suggests cable is getting his own book. About Time!  This comic picks
* Art Thribert to do the drawing. Not a prob.  Cables gone through some shit.
* The book shows us a Cable WHO IS (sorry) who is a little older than our
* usual incarnation. Apparently he's got a wife and some kiddies. He gets to
* fight with some Externals I think. They use Garrison as the narrative voice.
* He's reforming the Pack. Theres alot of stuff that I don't remember however
* Nacienza said in the interview that Cable and Stryfe are the Same.  Can someone
* explain this to me?? Yes I'm slow but help me anyway.


  The new series takes place in the future, not necesaarily the future
  of the current Marvel Universe. Due to some bizarre circumstances, he
  has no recollection of his battle with Stryfe and there resulting "death".
  In this future, Cable is married with a family and is in the process
  of reforming his old group. In the process, I don't quite know how, he
  is transported back to the present Marvel universe timeline and has to 
  deal with all the stuff that transpired that he no longer remembers.
  If Fabian can pull it off, it should be a very interesting series.


  --
  Michael                      
  stailey@comm.mot.com
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Subject: CABLE: Da Series (SPOILERS)
From: <CSTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 15:10:58 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Ok people I'm Baaack. Just checked out previews last week and as my title
 suggests cable is getting his own book. About Time!  This comic picks
 Art Thribert to do the drawing. Not a prob.  Cables gone through some shit.
 The book shows us a Cable WHO IS (sorry) who is a little older than our
 usual incarnation. Apparently he's got a wife and some kiddies. He gets to
fight with some Externals I think. They use Garrison as the narrative voice.
He's reforming the Pack. Theres alot of stuff that I don't remember however
Nacienza said in the interview that Cable and Stryfe are the Same.  Can someone
explain this to me?? Yes I'm slow but help me anyway.

Oh If this stuff was posted before SORRY, Life is difficult. Deal with it.
      Flame at your own Risk.          Sayonara, Happy New Year


                                                Kwaame.
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: PRESENTING>>> The MU Absorb-Off!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:19:13 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
> [various power-absorbers' descriptions listed: btw, it's "Powerhouse".]
> Rogue, Absorbing Man, Mimic, Adaptoid, Awesome Android, Gideon, + P'house...
>Okay, the stage is set. Any other absorbers we have hanging around we ignore,
>because I didn't remember them in time? 
>

How about that character from Hulk who was a gamma-irradiated english teacher 
turned life force absorber who killed himself while battling the behemoth?
Went by the name of Half-Life?

-- 
Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
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From: acfrodo@IASTATE.EDU ()
Subject: Re: Pre #94/GS#1 stuff dismissed
Reply-To: acfrodo@IASTATE.EDU ()
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:58:45 GMT

In article <C0oKyG.FCy@ns1.nodak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
writes:
> We were talking about the "first" X-Men series (93 and counting down).
> This was brought up:
> 
> >And one cannot forget the first appearance of the ever popular mutant menace
> >(ha) the Vanisher  in issue ...4(?)
> 
> Hmm. Magneto was issue 1, Blob was 3 or so, so I say Vanisher in issue 2.
> And, hey, I like the Vanisher. He's certainly a more facile teleporter than
> Nightcrawler, by a longshot (heh). I almost wish they'd kept him around in
> his Fagan-type role after Fallen Angels. Heck, I'd even like to get the
> cybernetic lobsters from Fallen Angels back. They were cool, dudes.
> 

Yeah but he's SUCH a wuss.  I agree with your Fallen Angels observation,  the
lobsters WERE way cool =).

> >By the way, I've been out of my Xmen reading for a while, stopped not long 
> > after the NM 100/Xforce 1, and have been reading peacemeal up till 
> >collecting all of the Xecutioners Song.  My question, what the !@#$ happened
> >to Longshot?  I liked him him as a character.
> 
> Longshot, well, faded, kinda, in UX, was captured by Mojo (again), and most
> recently won the latest battle for Mojoworld, where he's living with Dazzler,
> his blushing bride (and good riddance to her!).

Hey!  I like Daz, she came a long way from her origins (Besides I have all her
series and if she doesn't come back, they won't go up(LIke they would anyway))

tony
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: Pre #94/GS#1 stuff dismissed
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:30:16 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

We were talking about the "first" X-Men series (93 and counting down).
This was brought up:

>And one cannot forget the first appearance of the ever popular mutant menace
>(ha) the Vanisher  in issue ...4(?)

Hmm. Magneto was issue 1, Blob was 3 or so, so I say Vanisher in issue 2.
And, hey, I like the Vanisher. He's certainly a more facile teleporter than
Nightcrawler, by a longshot (heh). I almost wish they'd kept him around in
his Fagan-type role after Fallen Angels. Heck, I'd even like to get the
cybernetic lobsters from Fallen Angels back. They were cool, dudes.

>By the way, I've been out of my Xmen reading for a while, stopped not long after
>the NM 100/Xforce 1, and have been reading peacemeal up till collecting all of
>the Xecutioners Song.  My question, what the !@#$ happened to Longshot?  I liked
>him as a character.

Longshot, well, faded, kinda, in UX, was captured by Mojo (again), and most
recently won the latest battle for Mojoworld, where he's living with Dazzler,
his blushing bride (and good riddance to her!).

"Bastards. I don't even like coffee." --Richard Darwin

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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