HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:15:17 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1hv86tINN6n0@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>No need to be sorry.  And no need to assume that anyone who asks a 
>question about the Kinsey middle-range thinks in terms of 'cures', 
>or thinks that people should be cured.  I even went to the point 
>of stating that in my post.  What isn't answered is, how can you 
>ever validate the claim of someone who claims to have been homosexual
>(not bisexual, or 'in the middle') who then claims to have switched 
>to being hetrosexual.  It seems any such thing is just dismissed 
>as 'well, he was kinsey-middle'.  Sort of a catch-22.  

The day nobody has a reason to lie about their sexuality is the day
we'll start learning the truth.

Now, don't you have a girlfriend or something you could be fucking
instead of hanging out here with a bunch of fags?

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Alan Alda! Kate Millet! (was Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty))
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:30:17 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec23.191043.14836@spdcc.com> 
joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

> Now let's talk about Alan Alda and Kate Millet!

I think Alan Alda is revolting -- except for his 
contributions to the musical "The Apple Tree" (which
features the divine Barbara Harris) -- but I'm game
to talk about him.  

When Kate Millet escaped from Iran, one of the first
things she did was to immerse herself in Western
"high culture".  I was working at Tower Records at
the time, and she came into the store one morning 
and announced to me that she wanted to buy a classical
music library in one fell swoop.  Her knowledge of
classical music was really quite limited, and her 
record collection was nonexistent, so I ended up spending
the entire day helping her build a collection from
scratch.  I tried to get a sense of what her aesthetic
was, so that I might steer clear of music that she
wouldn't have any taste for.  I thought she was interesting,
but really quite odd.  Anyway, she ended up buying
about $10,000 worth of records that day (this was in
the days when $5.99 was the usual price per disk at 
Tower), and I wonder if Kate Millet thinks of me whenever
she hears the Berg violin concerto.

Arne
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:23:13 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <23033@drutx.ATT.COM> kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106)) writes:
>      ...But, there are only two ways for out-of-staters to show their
>outrage at Colorado for passing Amendment 2 -- a boycott (which has
>been keeping Amendment #2 in the news since the election) and by
>sending money to organizations fighting Amendment 2.

What exactly is being done to fight CO2?  Are there petition drives
going around to get a repeal referendum on the next election ballot?
What organizations are doing these things and how can I contact them?

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:11:08 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <m0n2YOg-00006xC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>,
rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com wrote:

[...]

> It is this irrational fear that has sealed the suicide attempts of many
> young men.

...and women.


TDO
--
#include "StdDisclaimer.h"

Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jab@Ingres.COM (jeff bowles)
Subject: Re: Prolonged erection victim
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:04:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.233552.24158@fuug.fi> an3360@anon.penet.fi writes:
>PROLONGED ERECTION VICTIM HAS DIED
>
>Erizefani Mugoya, the unfortunate man who has been going through untold
>agony following an abnormally prolonged erection of his penis for the last
>two weeks, has finally passed away after being hospitalised at Kamuli
>hospital during the course of his ordeal.
>Mutyabule of Bukholi in Iganga had previously demanded a ransom fee before
>he could uncast the charm he had put on Mugoya.  (stuff deleted)  Doctors
>are said to have gone ahead and operated on their rare patient.  Sadly Mugoya
>never recoverd from the surgery, confirming Mutyabule's threat not to involve
>Western medicine in this traditional debacle (sic?).

Do you know if the person who cast the charm on that guy's penis rents out
his service?

	Jeff Bowles
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thrift@ra.csc.ti.com (Phil Thrift)
Subject: Rules of Conduct
Organization: TI Central Research Laboratories, Dallas
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:29:36 GMT

Once the gay-is-ok directive has been passed down the military
chain of command, the next issue will concern rules of conduct which
govern actual homosexual practice.

Now I have never been in the military, but I have a general idea
what goes on, regulations or not (I've seen, for example,
"Boys of Company F" - BTW Rick Donovan's debut).

Now it seems that current regulations say that a male soldier
can be sent to military prison for allowing a female (even wife)
to touch his penis with her lips, so things are troublesome for
heterosexuals already. But what will the eventual rules of conduct
be that govern homosexual behavior?

Philip Thrift



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.motss)
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:52:55 GMT



bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
  >>soc.motss.info -- would discussion take place here?  If it's just
  >>an archive would soc.motss.announce would be a better title?
nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield) writes:
 >I don't think announce is the right title for an info group. I would
 >imagine that such a group could carry documents, like texts of laws,
 >and maybe stuff like monthly postings of safer sex information and
 >contact phone numbers.

How about soc.motss.answers?  (Or soc.lesbigay.answers, or whatever,
depending on the eventual naming.)

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (was Re: Ageism)
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:47:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1haug6INN9tj@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

[etc, etc]

You see the problem, DLM?  Even when I *say* "half humorous" - it
is not readily apparent to even the better educated twits that
what follows is not necessarily to be taken at face value.

I think, however, that a casual jaunt through Vogue, et. al. during
the period in question would reveal a strong androgynist bent.
What does an androgynous woman look like?  No chest, little 
variation from chest to waist to hips.  Short, simple hairstyle.
And, of course, no body fur.

A 13 year old boy.

*X*
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:29:35 GMT
Organization: People's Front of Judea

In article <mattm-221292151135@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes 14 lines of flamage without using the phrase "totalitarian tinkerbell". 

Possibly a record.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:45:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1hsms1INNiti@mizar.usc.edu> 
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

                                 kind
> to write on soc.motss that this    of hate-monger shouldn't
                                  /\

Arne
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Alan Alda! Kate Millet! (was Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty))
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:45:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1hai8pINN6lf@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec23.191043.14836@spdcc.com> 
> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> 
> > Now let's talk about Alan Alda and Kate Millet!

Excuse, please - but *who* is Kate Millet?

*X*
(can we talk about Mel Gibson instead?)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Sorry folks!
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:07:59 GMT

Greetings folks!

I just wanted to apologize for forgetting to remove soc.motss from my
recent string of anti-Cramer flames. I did not mean to fill soc.motss
with that nonsense. I'll try to not mess up again.

Thanks for your patience,
	<MC>

-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     || "Humanity isn't a physical description,
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| it's a spiritual goal. It's not something
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || you're given, it's something you earn."
|| carroll@udel.edu             || 	- _One_, by Richard Bach
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: penis size (was Re: Muffin on Parade)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:00:20 GMT

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>(and *really* - has anyone ever known a bubble-butted blonde
>beach boy to be *worth* taking seriously?  I mean, *really*?)

Well, I'm more of a dance club diva than a beach boy, but...

(And to address the original topic: I myself wouldn't come to a
bunch of queers for sympathy about your horribly long dick (I
know *my* capacity for rational thought began to dwindle at 'I
can't wear shorts in public', and was long gone by the time I
got to 'because it sticks out over the waistband'). Brent, I can
grok that this would be a big problem in the high-school locker
room, but you're not in high school anymore. It's not a curse by
now, and you're old enough where the only time it'll really make
itself known is when the situation calls for it anyway. So it's
more than okay to love it for what it is now. Be thankful and
put it in your plus side, where it belongs.)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:44:09 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Dec22.172237.11064@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu
>(John Ioannidis) writes:
>
>>So here are my questions:
>
>>[re birth announcements, proud parents, &c, &c]
>
>>4. Why do we never see such messages by same-sex couples? [...]
>
>God knows I've tried, honey!  :-) Tried and tried and tried.
>No babies.  But the trying *was* fun, and I really didn't
>want the babies all that much.

If you eventually succeed, let me know.  Now there's a reason for
being proud.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Minor Crises was(long-term relationships)
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:00:12 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <29DEC92.16572481@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> In a previous article, bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) wrote:
>>It's been my observation that there are four 'crisis periods' in a 
>>relationship...
> 
> I guess this means you haven't reached the "What?  You want to have sex
> again?  I'm too tired.  Didn't we just do it last month?" phase yet.
> 

Ha! So true....

I fell out of my chair laughing at this (all-too-familiar) scenario.

Hopefully both parters go through this phase close to the same time.

David Speakman
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: From a new subscriber
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:42:47 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <63@nola.win.net> csabatier@nola.win.net (Conrad J. Sabatier) writes:
>My personal feeling is that such characters are best ignored
>altogether, as they generally do not seem interested in having a
>truly intelligent, reasonable discourse.

This is *always* the best reaction to someone who will not educate
themselves and open their mind and heart... sometimes issues must be
counteracted, but it is best to do an "f" instead of an "F" and leave
the caps for the "R" :) (for those who are not using th *n readers,
"f" is a follow-up which doesn't quote an article, ie. you aren't
talking with a particular person, while "F" does and "R" is a netmail
reply with quotes).

Discussions with closed minded people are perpetual... no one comes
out a winner, but there usually are more than two losers.  While they
should never be isolated from the trueth of hatred, people who are
just coming to grips with their sexuality are sometimes drawn into the
discussions because of pent-up anger, or they may shy away from them
with fear.  

This is really to everyone:

If you *need* to come back at someone, then be my (and I hope our)
guest... I don't mind it if you fill the bandwidth up if it is doing
someone some good.  Just remember, though, that there are some who
will be frightened, upset, or angered by the discourse... so keep most
of it in netmail if possible.

If you don't really need to come back at someone, post the correct 
view without directly addressing the opposing one.  Feel free,
however, to netmail and set-up search parties to ferret out the
rascals.



-- 
|Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free"   |CO made a #2 no-no... PU!          |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:50:56 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <1992Dec20.231739.8064@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> How did you discover soc.motss? Did you find it at the same time you
> found Usenet, or later?

I actually looked at the directory of all newsgroups available 
at my site, popped into the "newusers" group, and found soc.motss 
amongst the groups whose description was listed.

Amelia

                   ----- Amelia T. Smith -----
University of Pennsylvania     Internet: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu 
Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Guilt: religion vs society?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:45:55 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <92356.232915MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu> MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

   A question for those of you that may have experienced guilt coming to terms
   with your gay/lesbian or bisexual lifestyle and feelings.  If you did
   experience guilt was the source more from religious upbringing or from being
   different from mainstream society?  Also, and more importantly, is the  feeling
   of guilt the same for that brought on by religion versus that from social
   differences (i.e., are there two different kind/feelings of guilt)?

No guilt.  I haven't had any guilt about things sexual since getting
over it with the masturbation thing.

The impact from society comes elsewhere:  a difficulty in seeing my
relationship as a 'legitimate' relationship, because of all the
portrayals of 'proper' relationships in the media and the like...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

    ----------------------------------------------------------------
   | Documentation Manager, Oracle Toolkit Group                    |
   | Co-chair of Oracle Lambda, Oracle's Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual group |
   | Writer, magician, and various other things                     |
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:00:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Dec22.174401.22543@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.162133.4439@walter.bellcore.com> dfs@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne) writes:
(convention regarding congrats to het parents deleted)
>
>Well, such congratulations is rather similar to expressing condolences
>for someone's death.  It needn't "mean" anything; it's just a convention.
>Doubtless there will be anthropologists in some future society who will
>look upon such ritualized responses with as much disdain or sense of
>superiority as we have towards other cultures.

Well, I don't know if you realise this, but anthropologists are trained 
to view other cultures objectively, or at least as much as possible.  In
this process, senses of superiority and disdain are reduced (although I 
don't think a feeling is ever quite eliminated, transformed perhaps,
but not eliminated).  If anything, anthropologist will be the least
likely to treat a social or cultural convention with disdain.  

A cultural trait depends on it's context.  For example, the Yanamamo
celebrate births, but if there is an imbalance of females to males,
they have no problem with infanticide on the females, and in their 
cultural context, this is more than reasonable to them.  (BTW, 
since technological intrusions, this does not happen quite as often,
although more diseases occur to kill off people.)>

As for there being a reason, there is...this is only one conjecture BTW.
When the number of women dying in childbirth, and the number of children
dying in childbirth, it was (is) a wonder and a joy for life to be 
present at that time.  Also, if you've ever been present during birth, 
it is a wonderful experience to witness (although I've never fathered nor
given birth, so my experience is limited to watching) and deserves 
all the congrats. 

Dominick
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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Brooklyn Bishop Lays an Egg
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:23:18 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Dec29.234206.26237@PacBell.COM> 
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>>-jenneke
>>
>>   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
>
>For one delicious moment, I thought this was a mnemonic
>to help me remember my sharps and flats.  I guess I'll
>have to stick with Father Charles Goes Down And Ends
>Battle (Battle Ends And Down Goes Charles' Father)...

Nope. It's a mnemonic to help me remember my stellar spectral types.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (was Re: Ageism)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.052415.7292@spdcc.com> arne@spdcc.com (Arne Adolphson) writes:
>In article <mattm-231292173402@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>You see the problem, DLM?  Even when I *say* "half humorous" - it
>>is not readily apparent to even the better educated twits that
>>what follows is not necessarily to be taken at face value.
>
>Well, yes, you *say* "half humorous", but you were joking
>about the wrong decades.
>
>>I think, however, that a casual jaunt through Vogue, et. al. during
>>the period in question would reveal a strong androgynist bent.
>
>Well, I have indeed taken casual jaunts through Vogue, et. al.
>during the period in question, and what I've seen are incredible
>*feminine* superstar models like Lisa Fonssagrives.  Incredible
>Amazon types.  Womanly women like Carmen.  Then of course there
>were the bizarre types, like Dovima, but to call her "androgynous"
>is quite wrong.
>
>>What does an androgynous woman look like?  No chest, little 
>>variation from chest to waist to hips.  Short, simple hairstyle.
>>And, of course, no body fur.
>
>Why don't you flip open some issues of Bazaar from the golden
>years when Carmel Snow was its editor and Alexey Brodovitch
>was its art director?
>
>>A 13 year old boy.
>
>I've never seen a 13 year old boy who looked like Suzy Parker.
>Where do *you* see them?

Honey Chile, you just get your ass over to Selma, and open them pretty
blues 'cause honey, those girls is she-men. 13-year-old fake-ass
two-bit Suzy Parkerlookalike ho done got his butt wett just thinking
about them heels, uh huh, them titties, yes, push them lips out and
strut youir stuff, GIRL, ouuu-eeee. MISS THANG. Them girl-boys done
gonna just walk around, feeling pretty, knowin' that any minnit,
they're goonna be Vogue stars. 
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Flashing lights
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:09:20 GMT

batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie) writes:
>Computer just haven't been the same since they stopped putting switches
>and lights on them *SIGH*

The computer under my desk is a HP Snake and it has quite a few
flashing lights.  The best is the one marked with a heart symbol: it
"beats" two quick pulses every second to reassure you that the machine
is still working.  The pulse rate doesn't seem to get any faster when
the machine is excited, though, a bit like Hannibal Lecter.

,
Eamonn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield)