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From: rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood)
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.194804.3493@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>
>When my cat Zeb(female) went to be spayed not only did they keep her
>overnight the night following surgery but also the night before so
>they could regulate her food and water and so that she would be calmer 
>the next morning. The night following stay was to watch for complications
>from the anesthesia. I am personally offended by this reply which
>suggests that the only thing the vet cares about is his paycheck....Zeb
>was given the best of care and in the case of an emergency qualified
>people would be on hand to help something I could not accomplish at home.
>Steve, the question I would ask you is does the amount of money for
>your pet matter that much to you. You would expect an overnight stay in
>the hospital if YOU had major surgery, why shouldn't your cat expected
>the same? This just buggs me alot...in league with people who think
>33 cents a can for food is WAY too expensive for a cat!! Please!
>
>Jen (proud mommy to Zeb

Unless you have a fat wallet, there is a limit to how much you will spend
on your cat.  This amount varies with the individual but there is no "correct"
amount. 

For instance, about a year ago I my cat Ziggy broke his hip and the vet 
wanted $600 to fix it.  I told her that I didn't have it and asked about
Ziggy's options, she made suggestions like:  "Charge it to your visa"; 
"take out a loan"; and "ask your parents for the money". I repeated my answer
and asked again about Ziggy's options. She said that he probably wouldn't 
live 6 months, you really shouldn't wait, he's in a lot of pain, etc.  
I replied, "If he's in so much pain, how much does it cost to put him down".  
I'll never forget the look on her face.  Her mouth dropped and she started 
stuttering, "What do you mean put him down"?  
I repeated, "If he's in that much pain, just put him to sleep because I 
don't have $600!" 
"Well aren't you being a bit premature?", she said.  

To make a long story short, she agreed that I should take Ziggy home and 
see what happens.  Ziggy went home and he is getting along nicely with his 
broken hip.  Now if I had that kind of disposable income, I would've had 
the surgery done ASAP.  But the vet's attitude showed me that she could 
understand "I don't have it".  Only, when I threatened to put Ziggy down
did she stop pushing the surgery at any price. Lastly, she really wasn't 
concerned for Ziggy's health because I asked her to do the surgery at cost
and her reply was a big fat "No!".  


This isn't meant as a flame but consideration should be given to
circumstances other than your own.  Whose to say that an elderly
person on a fixed income MUST fix her ailing cat with there life savings.  

Peace,
Keith
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 15:31:09 CST
From: <U58549@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Am I a bad cat owner??
 <1992Nov14.163331.15111@pixel.kodak.com>

I agree that a good spit-like noise works with cats. Ours is very stubborn when
 it comes to not doing what we don't want him to do, but a good spit sound alwa
ys seems to work (well, ok, 75% of the time).
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dvinette@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Diane Vinette)
Subject: Re: "weird" cat things
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:35:48 GMT


My Sandy used to love to sleep under the covers when it was cold.  But 
she insisted she wanted to get BETWEEN the top sheet and the comforter.
If she pawed to get under and I lifted both sheets, she would just
give me a *weird* look and waited until I parted them for her to get under.
When it wasn't cold in the room, she slept under the covers, by my side, with
her little head on the pillow next to me.        ....Diane

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rusty@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Hall)
Subject: Re: a friend gone
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:28:00 GMT

In article <1e8ah5INNjv3@uwm.edu>, hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes...
>From article <1e1u0tINN3lq@natinst.com>, by Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com (Thad Engeling):
>> 
>You -will- miss her.  I lost my old girl, Cassandra, in
>1988, and I still dream about her.  No pet and damned few
>people have made me feel so special as that kitty did.  Why
>do we let ourselves get so attached to such shortlived
>critters?
>-- 
>Helen C. Crain             hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu 

We all are only human and emotion is part of our nature.  I found my 
crazy cat has helped me through a lot of grief this year with the 
passing of my mother.  Nothing to distract you more than having a 12 
pound cat jump in your lap and try to lick your tears away.
From: davispa@OHSU.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Help - Allergies to New Kitty
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: davispa@OHSU.edu
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

Hello All --
  HELP!!!!
  This is a plea from my sister who has developed horrible red blotches on her
neck and cheeks and is sneezing all over the place whenever she holds or is
around her kitty too long.  She's absolutely miserable sometimes.  She's not
into taking pills and shots if she doesn't have to.  Is there anyone out there
who has a great remedy for kitty allergies?  Bailey is a great 6.5 month old
Chocolate Point Siamese - extremely affectionate and playful -- You just want
to hug him forever, he's so sweet.  We tried bringing him over to play with my
2 month old Blue Point (who is getting to look more like a Seal every day - I
call him Navy Blue -- but that's another story) Beethoven for a day to give her
a break.  That was fun - for the kitties the whole time, but for me up until I
wanted to go to bed.  They are pals and played and ran up and down the house
 and had a ball with each other the whole time.  They even had some nap time in
each other's arms.  I got some great pictures -- Bailey is 4 times the size of
Thove.  But when I wanted to go to bed, all hell broke loose, and I had to call
my sister to come and get Bailey. I am too calm a person for my house to be any
more than a 1-cat house.  I can just picture Bailey teaching my Thove all kinds
of mischevious stuff to do.
  So -- if anyone can help my sister with some kitty allergy miracle cures, we
would be indebted -- we would hate to have to start looking for a new home for
Bailey -- he really is a sweetheart.

  I'm a bit new to this network -- is there a special way to access the FAQ's? 
Is there one on Allergies?  Can someone resend it to me (and access
instructions), please?  Thanx.

Thanx in advance, and my sister's at your mercy.
Pamela Davis (davispa@OHSU.edu)
From: davispa@OHSU.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: The Cure-All for Kitten Rambunxiousness
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:47:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Nov20.234756.28965
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

Hello All --
  This is the Cure-All for the following ailments of which we suffer:
    1) Kittens that chew at your toes
    2) Kittens that chew at your heels
    3) Kittens that chew on socks (not presidential) knowing full well there
are feet inside
    4) Kittens that climb your jeans knowing full well there are legs inside
    5) Kittens that have motor-paws
    6) Kittens that claw your furniture until you say "NO" until you're blue in
the face and end up gluing them to the scratching post
    7) Kittens that climb on furniture you don't want them to be on
    8) Kittens that jump on the dinner table and kitchen counters
    9) Kittens that do all of the above and more while you're trying to eat
dinner
   10) Kittens that mischieviously get into cabinets and closits while you're
trying to compute, and make you get up out of your chair to put them straight
because "NO" means nothing

  So, by now you are all wondering what will cure these and millions of other
ailments with which we seem to be tolerantly and patiently cursed by our
everloving and unending affectionate friends.

  This will only cost you about 69 cents for the cheap ones and can cost about
$1.10 for the not-so-cheap ones about every 4 days or so -- and then again, the
cost may rise depending on how many you buy at once and how thirsty you are. 
You must purchase a plastic gallon jug of water from the grocery store -- the
ones with the blue, red or green lids -- and when the symptoms begin to persist
at a basically annoying level -- pull the little rip-chord and dangle it in
front of the unsuspecting angels -- just out of reach for a few seconds -- make
the sweet things jump for it -- and then drop it in a location that is visible
to you (only so you can laugh histerically while you watch them play).

  I swear they will be occupied for at least 10 to 15 minutes straight.  They
will hear nothing or see nothing.  It's uncanny -- it's like they're
hypnotized.

  So, if you want a breather from what ails you -- the cure is colored
rip-chords from the water jugs.  Of course they are good only as long as they
are visible to the kittens.  The minute they disappear under the couch or under
the refridgerator, those annoying symptoms reoccur -- and then you're stuck
until you clean your floors or go shopping (I personally like shopping better
than cleaning, but that's another story).

  By the way, this is by no means a cure exclusive to kittens -- they all love
to play rip-chord.
  
  P.S. "NO" may be beginning to have some impact, because 9-week-old  Thove
(short for Beethoven) is actually hesitating and looking at me when I point at
him and say a firm "NO" -- that lasts for about 2 seconds, though.  Maybe the
seconds will turn into "forever" sooner or later. 
(ha, ha)

Cheers to everyone from Pamela
Oregon Health Sciences University
respond to post or my e-mail at davispa@OHSU.edu
From: weinhous@castor.hahnemann.edu (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: * Ear Problem *
Date: 16 Nov 1992 11:34:49 -0500
Organization: Hahnemann University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: castor.hahnemann.edu

We and our cat would greatly appreciate any information/advice
regarding the ear problem described below...

Our cat, Pest, developed a "blood blister" in the erect part of
his right ear. Our vet did surgery on 9/16/92 to drain the blister
and to re-attach the front and rear tissue of the ear (with some 19
stitches). When the stitches were removed about 12 days later, the
surgical incision was still open and the front and rear tissues had
not reattached to one another.

After much back-and-forth, we were advised to just keep Pest in
his (plastic) Elizabethan collar and let the ear granulate 'till
it healed.

Just over a week ago (11/7-8/92) the surgical incision finally closed 
(7 weeks after surgery). Almost immediately, the blood blister reformed.
On 11/9/92 our vet gave us the same two options that we were given
back in September... (1) to do nothing or (2) to repeat the surgery.

When on 11/13/92 the blister had suddenly grown to include the entire
erect ear (and was at least 2cm front-to-back), we went to another vet. 
This vet used a hypo to drain 18cc of "old blood" from the ear,
placed a rolled bandage into the ear, wrapped the ear around that
rolled bandage, and then taped round and round the wrapped ear. The
intent is to give the front and back tissues of the ear a chance
to heal together.

*** Has anyone out there had similar experiences? If so, please tell
us how the problem was resolved.***

Many thanks in advance.
-- 

Martin S. Weinhous, Ph.D.		weinhous@radonc.hahnemann.edu
Radiation Oncology, MS-102
Hahnemann University 			office: (215) 762 - 8616
Broad & Vine				fax:    (215) 762 - 7683
Philadelphia, PA 19102-1192		home:   (215) 564 - 5986
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:16:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.010637.26866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton) writes:
>Has anybody else noticed that some TV shows are finally beginning to 
>acknowledge the central role of cats in the American family?  Not only do we 
>have Data's Spot on "Star Trek," 

Potential Spoilers for Star Trek episode "A Fistful of Datas":



Any other Trekkers out there who found it amusing that Data had to
remove Spot from his keyboard not once but twice in this episode?  I
guess cats in the future haven't learned any more about reverence for
computers than cats in the present ... :-)

(And, I noticed that it was a different Spot than last year.  I heard
that the previous Spot passed on between seasons.)





--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
From: mverman@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Brave Missy and the Sock Monsters
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:02:13 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

>>In article <1992Nov10.210532.21491@oracle.us.oracle.com> schiles@us.oracle.com writes:
>>>I should have known better.  I should have known to keep my sock drawer
>>>tightly closed.

Horror and fascination!  Here they mastered the doors long ago -- the bolt
unlatched, the magnet catch.  But drawers too, what pandemonium that could be!

Since the kittens arrived, I've been certain that if cats had opposable thumbs 
theye'd rule the world.  (I know, you're sure they do.)

In all, they do so much less damage than they could, and so much more good.
Gotta love 'em.

...shu
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Special food for cat with kidney disease?
Date: 15 Nov 92 08:53:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: harvee.H.ea.chA0CVS1jUU
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

ps-my 5 cats(age 8 to 13) eat nothing but purina mature and are doing well.
they are normally pigs who will eat anything, but they just pick at
friskies senior.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:27 EST  

In article <1992Nov15.231622.19961@ncar.ucar.edu>, vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes...
> 
>(And, I noticed that it was a different Spot than last year.  I heard
>that the previous Spot passed on between seasons.)
> 

No doubt, someone forgot to cap their bottle of ...

{say it with me ...}

SPOT REMOVER. :-)

Ok, ok ... don't flame me for being insensitive ... it's just a joke !

-- Stephen

	Growing up is easier than you think ... one day, you just wake
	up an adult ... and mourn your loss.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: College students
From: sjs@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Susan Starr)
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:53:30 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

I am also a college student who is a responsible pet owner.  I got my
cat when he decided to move in with me.  I had thought he lived with
the crazy lady who lived next door to me.  She had about 30 cats and
they were breeding out of control.  There were always new kittens
there, and after they reached about two months they disappeared.  I
knew she was probably taking them to the shelter, which disgusted me
but there was nothing I could do about it.  She was not a very 
friendly person and she never spoke to me.  I would have a fantasy
that I would come into a lot of money and I would sneak all her
cats to the vet and get them fixed.  I would take scraps from
the restaurant where I worked and put them out for the cats 
because they looked sort of undernourished.
   One of my crazy neighbors cats was very striking.  He was an
enormous black long haired cat.  Everyone who came to visit me 
admired him.  He is the largest cat I have ever seen.  My 
roommate called him Big Black Fuzzy Kitty. We made up descriptive
names for all the neighbor cats since we didn't know their real
names.  Along with Big Black Fuzzy Kitty, there was little gray
kitty, 3-legged kitty, striped kitty and so on.
   Big Black Fuzzy Kitty must have sensed my admiration for him
and he decided he wanted to live with me.  If I ever opened my 
apartment door he ran in.  At night he perched on my bedroom window
ledge and cryed.  I fell in love him.  My roommate found out that
he did not belong to the crazy neighbor.  He wandered into her
house because she left the window open during the day so her
cats could go in and out.  When I petted Big Black Fuzzy Kitty
I noticed how pitifully thin he was.
   I took Kitty to the vet and the vet estimated that he was 3
years old and he was already nuetered.  I think it is kind of 
ironic that my neighbor had all those animals breeding out of 
control and I took the only one who was already nuetered.  
   The vet weighed Kitty and he weighed 16 lbs. when he was 
starving.  I don't want to think about how much he probably 
weighs now.
   He has been wonderful pet and I think the people who 
abandoned him must have been insane.  
   Since I have gotten Kitty I have moved 6 times.  I took two
semesters off to work full time in Phoenix.  I go to school in
Flagstaff.  He seems happier when we live in Flagstaff.  Maybe 
it is the lack of trees and the ubearable heat in Phoenix.  Or
maybe he senses that I hate to live in Phoenix and adopts my
mood.
   I never meant for this to be so long but I get carried away
when I start talking about Kitty.  It is nice to find a place
where I can talk about Kitty, most of my friends are dog people.

Sue & Big Black Fuzzy Kitty
sjs@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Fix the cat food, please.
From: bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:01:22 EDT
Organization: Oberlin College

I hope a few of the cat food manufacturers are reading this!

Please, please, please get rid of the red dyes in the dry cat food.

My cats throw up a hairball or a piece of a potted plant now and then,
and I'm always left with a red stain.

I really think the dye is there so that the food looks good to humans.
My cats (5) really don't care what color their food is. Really!

Please get rid of the dye.

Jennifer
bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Found cat
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: charlottesville
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:15:46 GMT

A friend of mine has found a cat that appears to be lost.
It (can't tell for sure if it's male or female, but I
*think* it's male) was found in the Fry Spring area of
Charlottesville, VA about a week ago.  It is a large,
long-haired white cat, very friendly, and obviously used
to being inside.  Call 977-2062 to identify it.
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:37:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov16.154555.16773@sequent.com> cyndie@sequent.com (Cyndie Sutherland) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.010637.26866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton) writes:
>>Has anybody else noticed that some TV shows are finally beginning to
>>acknowledge the central role of cats in the American family?  Not only do we
>>have Data's Spot on "Star Trek," but also Otto on "Bob."  Can anyone think of
>>others?  Do you suppose that this means the world is finally starting to
>>appreciate cats for the wonderful family members that they are?
>>
>>Ginny
>
>I heard a statistic recently that consumers respond more favorable to
>TV comercials that feature cats.  I think one computer manufacturer
>(maybe IBM, I dont remember) advertized there PC with a cat resting on
>top the monitor.  I know I enjoy those commercials more.
>
Hewlett Packard is running print ads with a Dalmatian and a multitude of
white cats with air brushed black spots.. the copy reads something like
"In a world full of copycats, there is only one HP LaserJet."  I have also
seen a similar poster without the HP reference.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Subject: Re: rubber bands and milk rings
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:56:36 GMT

My mail to Collene bounced.... 
In article <4209@unisql.UUCP> collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce) writes:
|
|My precious Tamora (2yr old, red persian, indoor only) has been after
|my couch again.  She only scratches it when I am gone (during the day). 

(deletions)
|
|So, my question is -- is there anyone out there who has (or knows of)
|a declawed cat which still plays with things like rubberbands and milk
|jug rings?    These are Tamora's favorite toys and I want to know if she
|will still be able to play with them after being declawed (if that 
|becomes necessary).  I suspect not, but am hoping she could.   
|

Some posts have mentioned that these are very bad when swallowed!.
I'd be careful.
Favorite cat toys at my house are those foam rubber golf balls, and
the lid from a can of cat food which has become *the* Fetch Toy, it flies like  
a frisbee, makes a lot of noise, and in a few months has not yet gashed my  
bare foot open first thing in the morning.
When I put fresh-ground black pepper on the couch, it deters them. For a  
couple days anyway. If anyone mails you a really good suggesstion about  
furniture deterral, I'd appreciate your forwarding it.
Thanks
--

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *        
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *