Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:21:41 MST
 <1992Dec14.112048.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> <BzAvB2.38v@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
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In article <BzAvB2.38v@quake.sylmar.ca.us>, brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.112048.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.145948.923@blkbox>, collins@blkbox (Chad R. Collins) writes:
>>> kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) writes:
>  
>>  Maybe it's because we are the most easily identifiable.  I have known blacks
>>  who look white and they have expressed the discrimination the face when it is
>>  discovered that they are black.  White females in the work force are commonly
>>  faced with the problem of it not being discovered that they are married to
>>  a black man.  Co-workers of mine experienced it and told me so. 
> 
> So, what are they worried about?  Being fired because they are married to
> a black man?  I think in most places all it would get you is a few unwelcome
> stares.  More than anything I think this is mostly just a case of the
> unusual attracting attention.  I KNOW it makes a big difference where you
> live too.  Here in Hollywood, I see mixed race couples all the time and I
> rarely take more than a passing notice of it (and neither does anyone else).
> In less-integrated places (places where mixed marriages are more rare) such
> a relationship would probably attract some attention, but do you really
> think it would get you fired?
>
  Why should they chance it?  Besides who enjoys being stared at because you 
  are married to one of another race.  This nation is terribly behind.  It
  hurts and it is sick!
 
>>  It's kind of bad when in a white school system a white girl says to a black
>>  boy "I like you but my dad would not approve...".  
> 
> I think these days most parents would be a bit more open-minded than that
> don't you?
> 
  These are experiences from my generation, H.S. grad. 1981.  I don't want to
  have children and have them go through this crap.  Again you're late America.

>>  I'm not hung up on white
>>  women, but this is another example of how integration has been a failure.  
> 
> Oh come on!  Race relations and the freedom of blacks in this country have
> improved enormously since the 1950's. Things still are not perfect, but there
> has been tremendous progress.  Programs like affirmative action, black 
> colleges, black high schools, race-based set-asides in government contracts,
> racial social clubs, etc. are the most prominent anti-integration
> institutions in society.  Rather than retreating from integration, we 
> ought to take the next step and try to make government, our businesses,
> and our personal lives as color-blind as we can.  Will everything immedicately
> become perfect?  No.  Will there still be a few bigots?  Sure.  But isn't
> it still a step in the right direction?
>
  As a brother stated earlier, why so long after our so called freedom we
finally get the supreme court to remove laws used to oppress blacks off of the 
books.  Do you understand the damage that has been done for such a long period
of time.  This nation lied and said we were free when we were not.  Like I said
this baby is slow.
 
>>  So
>>  IMO I think it's best we part, as in another nation.  We have hell living
>>  together as one nation under god.  It's getting to be one nation under satan.
>  			
> Is it really hell to live near people of other races?  I don't think so.
> 
> Would you rather live near people on the basis of their race or on the 
> basis of their ideas?  I'm white, but I don't have any desire to live 
> near Charlie Manson or David Duke.  I would much rather have honest,
> hard-working, tolerant black neighbors than dishonest, lazy white neighbors. 
> It would appear that you would choose differently.  Pretty sad.
> 
  Great that you have no problem living next to one of another race, but look
  in your own backyard(Hollywood, L.A.).  It doesn't seem people of all races
  are living together too well.  I mean don't you think there might just be a
  little problem there in the cross cultural L.A.?
  Might I add I lived in California for 4.5 years and why is it that there are
  all these racially seperate neighborhoods in this wonderful melting pot.  Is 
  this nation really working together for the benefit of all as a nation
  should?  
  Kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall and America is no exemption.  This nation
  could loose its blessings in the twinkling of an eye.
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