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From: ress@bnr.ca (David Ress P040)
Subject: Re: NCAA Regional Results (Women's Division I)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:02:56 GMT

In article <Bz7wov.M54@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, liu@cerl.uiuc.edu (Albert Liu) writes:
|> 
|> Remember that the semis will be broadcast on EPSN on Friday,
|> December 25 at 9pm PST and Saturday, December 26 at 9pm PST.
|> The final will be on CBS on Sunday, January 23 at 2pm EST.
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^

Is this a typo, or is CBS really going to wait until everyone in
the country has already heard who won before showing the match?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: lees@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Steve C. Lee)
Subject: Re: What's a good ball to buy?
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:41:59 GMT

In article <1gp1f8INN5m8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj531@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ali Momeni) writes:
>
>Hello all,
>	I'm VERY new in this group (in fact this is my first message,) so
>work with me!
>	I'm looking for an awsome ball to buy.  An indoor (not beach), leather
>or synthetic ball.  I would like for it to be soft.  My budget is limited to,
>say, $40.  Does anyone have any suggestions? And if so, where should I buy it,
>i.e. where do people buy vollyball "stuff" (balls, pads, ...), by mail 
>somewhere?
>
>Thanks (in advance)
>ali. 			momeni@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu


Try SPIKE - NASHBAR  they have good Tachikara and Mikasa ball for under
$40.
From: chengj@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jen C. Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: CBS Coverage (was NCAA Regional Results)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:08:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Do you have the number to call CBS or the address?  I'd like to get in a word
or two about their coverages.

Jackson
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From: wiltinkm@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (M. Wiltink.a73A.telnr-015-138378)
Subject: Re: Lines question
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.201503.14948@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>
>I know that if the ball touches any part of the line, it is in.  My question
>is this:  When in serve receive, if a player's foot on the side line, is he
>technically off the court and in illegal rotation?  This seems inconsistent to
>me.  Obviously I would not be asking this question if I had not been called
>for it last weekend.  Also, if anyone knows where in the USVBA rule book it
>addresses this, I would appreciate it.
>
>wjm
>
>setters do it with their hands

Depends on how you view it. The ball is in when it touches the court,
including all lines. During service, you must stay out of court - including
all lines. When you must stay to the left of someone, it's enough when some
part of you is on the left of all of him.

By the way, players may be ANYWHERE - within lines, out of the lines...
only not on the opponents' half. But there again, you may step under the
net if you don't stand in anyone's way, as long as some part of your feet
is on OR ABOVE your own half, including lines.

(All this by European rules)

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wiltinkm@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl
Maarten Wiltink

Department of Applied Mathematics and Computer Science
Delft University of Technology
The Netherlands
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: Attack Block?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:21:52 GMT

In article <BzC4sA.7I5@cs.columbia.edu>, swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec15.220439.29570@e2big.mko.dec.com> walsh@sparty.zko.dec.com (Chris Walsh) writes:
|> >In theory, you can get called for a throw or carry when 'attack blocking', but in practice it seems
|> >you can do almost anything without getting a call.
|> >
|> >I've often wondered, and the rule book doesn't help me out.  Are there any rules of thumb about
|> >what really is legal (and illegal) when directing a ball 'during a blocking action'?
|> >--
|> 
|> In theory, you can get called for a throw or carry when passing,
|> setting, hitting, digging, blocking, etc.  It doesn't matter.  A good
|> ref will call a throw or carry when it occurs regardless of the
|> particular action involved.  A throw or carry while "attack" blocking
|> is no different than any other type of throw or carry.

Hmmmm, but a double hit while blocking IS different from a double hit while
setting, passing, etc. right?  So, back to the original question, what
exactly is legal and illegal when you are blocking?
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: What's a good ball to buy?
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:21:49 PST

In article <1gp1f8INN5m8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cj531@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ali Momeni) writes:
> Hello all,
> 	I'm VERY new in this group (in fact this is my first message,) so
> work with me!
> 	I'm looking for an awsome ball to buy.  An indoor (not beach), leather
> or synthetic ball.  I would like for it to be soft.  My budget is limited to,
> say, $40.  Does anyone have any suggestions? And if so, where should I buy it,
> i.e. where do people buy vollyball "stuff" (balls, pads, ...), by mail 
> somewhere?
> 
> Thanks (in advance)
> ali. 			momeni@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu

Ali,
    If you want a soft ball you'll have to buy a leather one. The softest 
leather ball is the Tachikara SV-5W, I've got one & I love it. It is definitely
the best ball I've ever played with including the Mikasa World Class ('92 
Olympic ball).
There are 800 numbers for Spike Nashbar & Volleyball One you can call to get
catalogs, dial 800-555-1212 to get those numbers. But, If you have a SportMart
in your area check them out, I got a SV-5W for $32 at one in S. Calif.
Hope this helps,
                 Alex Lee

p.s. most mail order firms offer pretty good volume discounts, ask about them!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: van@wucs1.wustl.edu (Van K. Vo)
Subject: Re: Are 'headers' legal??
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:38:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.081214.132@newstand.syr.edu> pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White) writes:
>>I am not sure about over in america, but I assume that the new rule now applies
>>that you are allowed to use anything above and including the knee. I have seen
>>many a time when the ball has been return with odd bits of the body.
>>Once I was on short cover and a very quick quick spike caught me on the knee
>>as I was moving the other way. It turned out to be a perfect 'dig' to 2.5 .
>>
>Hey guys, 
>	Lets not get carried away by the new rule of hitting the ball with
>anything above the knee.  Not all of us on the net play USVBA rules.  College
>rules have yet to accept this new rule, so don't try it unless you've cleared
>it with the referee.
>brian

Also, USVBA has not accepted this new rule.  Probably not until next
season.  As with all those other neat rules.

Van

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From: dika@wam.umd.edu (Ting Lin)
Subject: Re: Attack Block?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:26:02 GMT

This is in reply to the line between Attacking the ball and Attack Blocking

First of all as long as the opposite team has used up all three hits you can
attack the hell out of the ball all you want because its fare game.

Second, remember what a block is.  If you take an approach and swing your arms
to block If I was reffing I would call you to be attacking also.  Attack blocks
is roughly defined as when your arms penetrates the vertical plane of the net
and basicall contacts the ball on your opponents side in an attempt to keep the
ball from ever coming over to your side of the net.  (like I said, a rough def)

What some people consider attack blocks are those times when the shove the ball
back down in the opponents thoats (aka power dinks).  If you sing your arms to
attack the ball in order to block the ball, you are not really blocking but 
rather spiking (with two hands? why?).  Anyway, this is a big misconception
on what a attack block (aka power block) is.

--------------------------------------------
only IMHO.  No flames intended.
Danny Lin
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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Question about blocking
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:27:23 GMT

wlopez@vitalink.com (WLopez) writes:
>> In article <SOPH.92Dec10111954@bass.bu.edu> soph@bass.bu.edu (sophia hwang) 
>> writes:
>> >about active blocking, isn't there a ruling that you can not pass (block)
>> >over the plane of the net? moving hands to cover the block is standard, but
>> >don't think you can break the plane...anyone else???
>> >
>Once the ball has broken the plane of the net, you can block!

Wrong! You can block a ball when: 1) It has been attacked; 2) It has been
directed in such a way that in the referee's judgment the ball with go over
the net.

When blocking a ball it is entirely legal (and in fact encouraged!) to reach
across the net to block the ball, however you may NOT reach across the net
to attack the ball. It is referee's discretion whether you are attacking
or blocking. Once the ball breaks the plane of the net you are free to
attack it.

An example: a serve is passed back over the net. If a jump setter
is around to set the ball you may not reach across and block the ball even
though it is headed over the net. On the other hand, if no one is nearby
to make a play on the ball then you may reach across and block it (but not
attack it). Clear enough?

						Greg Martin
						g-martin1@uiuc.edu
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From: comptec91046@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Attack Block?
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:39:35 GMT

O.K. I understand that you CAN penetrate the opponents side but can you do an
attack block (let me try top explain that).  Going up to block but the ball is
moving slow.  Can I make a forward motion with both my hands and force the ball 
down to the floor?  Not really hit the ball but force the ball toward the floor
at a greater velocity with both hands.

Chris

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From: breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark Breland)
Subject: Re: Lines question
Organization: MCC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:36:23 GMT

In article <kjmiller-151292114534@kjmiller.mitre.org> kjmiller@mitre.org (Kevin Miller) writes:
>USVBA Rules (91-92)
>Commentary on Rule 7
>3) "...All players, except the server, must be fully on the court at the
>time the ball is contacted for service."
>
>So you have to be completely on the court; however,
>
>Rule 1, Article 2 "...Areas defined by court markings shall be measured
>from the outside edge of the lines defining such area, with the exception
>of the center line (article 3)."
>
>the lines ARE part of the court.  Therefore if your feet are on or inside
>the sideline then you are in the court.  Maybe part of your foot was
>outside the line?????  Otherwise, to err is human...

As long as part of the foot is on the line, the player is legally in the
court.  The player is off the court when their foot is placed outside of
and having no contact with the side or back lines.  This doesn't include
silliness such as holding your foot in the air and sticking it outside the
plane of a side or back line (hey, stranger questions have been posed...).

Mark A. Breland - Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation (MCC)
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From: storti@beach (Duane Storti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Request for NCAA Region updates
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:35:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec12.203545.3626
Organization: University of Washington

I saw posting with the South regional semi-final results, but what is happening  
in the other regions? Thanks again to those who post results and summaries.

_______________________________________________________________
Duane Storti			University of Washington
storti@u.washington.edu		Mechanical Engineering, FU-10
				Seattle, WA 98195
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Subject: NCAA Semis (UCLA vs Florida)
From: fred@ism.isc.com (Fred Simmons)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:23:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Interactive Systems Corporation, Santa Monica, CA

There wasn't any TV coverage of the UCLA-Florida match but a local radio
station that covers UCLA women's sports carried the game, so I "watched" it
on the radio.  Here's what I saw/heard:

Florida came out of the gate smoking.  They jumped to an 8-5 lead behind
Gudi Staub's powerful outside hitting.  Staub, a two-time All-American and
member of the German National Team, had 8 kills in the first game.  Then
UCLA got their wake-up call and all of a sudden it was 12-8 for UCLA.
Florida never led again in the match although they hung tough all night.
They closed to 11-12 in the first game before losing it 15-12.  The next two
games were repeats of the last half of the first game.  UCLA got a lot of
kills and kept a slight lead throughout with Florida always fighting back.
The scores of games two and three were 15-12 and 15-10, respectively.

UCLA showed a lot of power.  Natalie Williams had 32 kills (.532 hitting
average), Elaine Youngs had 26 (.444), Jenny Evans had 16, and Lisa Hudak
had 10.  With that kind of hitting one has to assume that Julie Bremner's
setting was top-notch, but you really can't tell from listening on the radio.
Coach Andy Banakowski pretty much stuck with his starting lineup and only
briefly subbed in freshman Jenny Johnson and, I think, Irene Renteria.

The kill leader for Florida was "Gotbak" (sorry Gator fans -- I apologize
for the phonetic spelling and for not knowing your lineup) who had 24 kills.
Staub started quickly, but she either ran out of gas or UCLA figured out how
to defend her.  She had 16 kills in the first two games but only 3 in the
third and ended up hitting .261.  Florida's mediocre serving (10 errors, one
ace) didn't help their cause.

This sure sounded like a great match.  Florida obviously merited their high
ranking.  Those who saw it live: did you see the same game?

The only thing I know about the Stanford/LongBeach game is what I read in
today's LA Times.  Stanford won in four (15-10 15-12 6-15 15-9).  CSLB's
Danielle Scott had 24 kills but hit only .241.  Stanford's freshman star,
Cary Wendell, had 21 kills.

Fred Simmons
From: swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Question about blocking
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:02:41 GMT
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science

In article <SOPH.92Dec10111954@bass.bu.edu> soph@bass.bu.edu (sophia hwang) writes:
>about active blocking, isn't there a ruling that you can not pass (block)
>over the plane of the net? moving hands to cover the block is standard, but
>don't think you can break the plane...anyone else???
>

There is no such rule (at least for USVBA/FIVB/AVP).  But there are
rules that state when you cannot block, such as on a serve, or on a
set.

If you watch the national team, or good blockers in general, you will
notice that they always break the plane and penetrate over the net.
Many blockers don't penetrate and the ball gets blocked down on their
side of the net, which of course, defeats the whole purpose of
blocking.  Besides, how do you expect blockers to roof people without
penetrating over the net?  The latest issue of Volleyball Magazine has
an article on blocking by Fred Sturm.  One of his tips is to penetrate
by making sure that your arms are not completely vertical, but also
horizontal.  

Perhaps you are thinking of ten(?) years ago, when it was illegal
to break the plane on blocks for beach volleyball.

>soph


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Shu-Wie F Chen                               Department of Computer Science
swfc@cs.columbia.edu                         Columbia University
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From: dika@wam.umd.edu (Ting Lin)
Subject: Re: Attack Block?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:18:46 GMT

Can You attck block?  Yes of course!  This goes under the rule (written?)
that as long as the opposing team has used up all three contacts the ball
is fair game!  At least that is how I was told at ref clinics.  You can
re-direct the ball back or down at the opponents court (as long as contact is 
not considered a throw or slam dunk!).

I have found that this is a more effective than spiking during a overpassed
ball.  However you cannot interfere with the direct play of the ball by the
oponents (they haven't used all three hits yet) unless the ball contacts the
plane of the net.

_______________________________________________________
"Another place, another time"
Danny Lin
dika@wam.umd.edu              *my two cents worth*
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From: yeff@Apple.COM (jeff soesbe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: NCAA Regional Results - notes
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:48:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

Thanks to Albert for posting the regional summary!!


Rank of teams in the Final Four (according to the 11/30 Volleyball
Monthly Poll):

UCLA - #1
Stanford - #2
Long Beach State - #3
Florida - #5

Looks great!!


Some Stanford notes, from the local paper (quoted without permission):

"As usual, senior outside hitter Bev Oden led Stanford's attack last
night.  Oden's rare triple double - 28 kills, 14 digs and 10 blocks -
offset a big night by Illinois star Kirsten Gleis, who had 26 kills,
18 digs, and 8 blocks.

The match, played at Huff Hall, was attended by a school-record 4,316
fans.  'This was a tremendous win, although the crowd made our lives
miserable', Oden said."


The blocks stats surprise me, because it seemed that Illinois had many
more blocks than Stanford through the course of the match.  In
general, it sounded like an extremely good match (I listened to the
Stanford Univ broadcast on the radio).  Lots of power sideout
volleyball.  Illinois was probably the bigger team, what with 6'2"
Gleis (a member of the 92 Holland Olympic Team) at opposite and 6'3"
206 lbs Tina Rogers at outside hitter.  But Stanford played some
tremendous defense, and was usually able to get the kills when they
needed them.  Wish I had been there.

Anyone have an extra ticket from the Bay Area to Albuquerque?  I even
have a couple grandmothers we could stay with...

jef
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From: Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SAFC
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:44:49 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU


 Sunderland 1 - Brentford 3

 Shit !! Well, I suppose it had to happen. That's the three game winning run
over. It could have been so different had Brian Mooney's 6th minute header 
gone in instead of hitting the bar, as 1 minute later Brentford went ahead 
after some very poor marking by the lads following a Brentford corner. 
A Shaun Cunnington equaliser after 42 mins., his 4th of the season, gave the
lads some hope just before the break, but 2 mins after half time one of 
goalkeeper Tony Norman's legendary clangers gave Brentford the lead. He allowed
an innocuous cross/shot slip through his hands. After that a very physical
Brentford side never looked liked being caught, and rubbed the salt in with a
third 4 mins. from time. Hopefully strikers Don Goodman and Peter Davenport 
will be fit for next Saturday's visit to Luton, a crucial match for the lads.
Then on Boxing day we visit Birmingham, another very important game. A big
disappointment on Saturday was the non-appearance of John Colquhoun who had
agravated a back injury he picked up after starring in last Saturday's win
over Barnsley.(Who incidentally turned over the filthmongers 1-0 on Sunday).
I hope he gets fit for the next few games, he looked really sharp last week.
Any Hearts fans out there remember John? How was he for you, why did he leave?
     
Well bye for now, until next weeks happier (hopefully) summary.

Dave.


=============================================================================== 
=  Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk    =    "He's red, he's white, he's fuckin'  = 
=  Univ. of Newcastle-upon Tyne.    =     dynamite, Johnny Kay, Johnny Kay..."= 
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cep@cs.nott.ac.uk (Charlie Pearce)
Subject: Re: Great Britain National Teams
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:27:06 GMT


In article <2B28F690.27153@news.service.uci.edu> cheu@krypton.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>
>How is this country represented in the Olympics ?  I know that in
>other sport events like track and field, there is Great Britain.
>What about Olympic soccer ?  Since all tha world cup teams are
>selected from theor respective national FA, doesn't it make more
>sense to create an Great Britian FA on top of the 4 FA's ?  

And what I omitted to say in my last posting (don flameproof clothing NOW) is
that I reckon that football should be among the events that need to be removed
from the Olympics. Comments please (inevitable?).

Charlie

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bernal@sanandreas.ecn.purdue.edu (Andres  Bernal)
Subject: Colombia Dic 13
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:31:23 GMT



(Primer equipo local)
DOMINGO 29 DE NOVIEMBRE
Cali      0     Nacional        0
Junior    0     America         1

MIERCOLES 2 DE DICIEMBRE
America   0     Cali            1
Nacional  2     Junior          1

DOMINGO 6 DE DICIEMBRE
America   3     Nacional        1
Junior    0     Cali            1

MIERCOLES 9 DE DICIEMBRE
Nacional  2     America         2
Cali      2     Junior          0
POSICIONES

Cuadrangular A
Equipo       PJ  PG  PE  PP  GF  GC   GD  PTS
Cali          5   3   1   1   5   3   +2   7
America       5   3   1   1   8   5   +3   7
Nacional      5   2   2   1   8   7   +1   6
Junior        5   0   0   5   2   8   -6   0


DOMINGO 13 DE DICIEMBRE
Nacional 3      Cali    1
America  2      Junior  1

MIERCOLES 16 DE DICIEMBRE
Junior          Nacional
Cali            America

El empate clasifica a America y Cali (por bonificacion).
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:03:41 -0500 
From: Jad Nehme <jn1a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Le Championnat, week 19

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.soccer: 20-Dec-92 Le Championnat, week
19 dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (10104)

>     An excellent debut from the young Aquitainien, this victory lift
>     Auxerre to the top of the league and means that they are crowned as
    fall champions. 

Which doesn't mean that much since Marseille  has yet to play Lille.  A
victory from Marseille would put them on the top of the list.  A draw
wouldn't change change the top list, but the four top teams would have
the same number of points (26).

	Anyone knows if and when the match is scheduled?

-Jad

PS: I can't believe the changes in the ranking this past month.  With so
many teams so close to each others, this will be an exiting year.
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