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From: kvigen@onza.gac.edu (Karl K Vigen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mack Beaning
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:11:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.150018.119@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  writes:
> 
>   Is anyone in the AL offices or Fay Vincent's office(sorry,
> delusions of a commissioner) going to do anything about this.
> I did not see any highlights of the game(I'm cableless), but
> I heard about it on the radio.  It would have been worse if Bosio
> hit Mack, but this is just setting a bad precedent where people  
like
> Cecil Fielder and Frank Thomas getting beaned by marginal tenth 
> pitchers.  Is there grounds for a suspension of Fetters or even
> the manager(just like hockey)
>     Rich

In Friday's copy of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, it was made clear  
that Mack and Fetters are actually good friends (they played against  
each other in the PAC-10 and PCL).  Fetters said he didn't do it  
intentionally, and Mack said he knows Fetters didn't do it  
intentionally.  Mack only spent two hours in the hospital, and wanted  
to play on Thursday; he'll probably start tonight against Texas.

K. Vigen
TWINS ROCK!


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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: If not Alfredo, who?
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 00:51:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.183832.19466@jts.com> geoff@jts.com (Geoff Vona) writes:
>
>(Its fun calling guys only a couple of years younger than you "kids"!)

It's certainly a lot more fun than describing guys a few years younger 
than yourself as "over the hill."



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
      There's something in my library to offend everybody.
        --- Washington Coalition Against Censorship
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From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (DAVID BONAR)
Subject: Re: Expos
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-809]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
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Organization: News and Views from LSU
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:44:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.035849.16471@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes...
>Does anyone have any info on this Fletcher guy the Expos have as catcher?
>He had a pretty amazing game today, so I'm hoping he's a young prospect
>unlike the other 2 catchers they have (not that I mind Carter and the other 
>guy).

	Fletcher is somewhat young (birthdate 10/3/66).  He isn't really
a good hitting prospect (.284/.334 BA/OBA in AAA last year) but he doesn't
look to bad when you compare him to the others in the league.

Dave
__________
Dave Bonar
eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
Go Astro's  [motto: More Bang for the buck (but still a little short)]
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Chicago Tribune Baseball Preview
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:51:17 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Well, I hope USA Today does a better job than the Chicago Tribune; I
wanted to see where they figured Sammy Sosa would be hitting.  The
Tribune's baseball preview section (section 19, 4/5/92) projected
him to bat seventh -- for the White Sox.  They talk about Bell in
left for the Cubs, also.  Annoying.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:19:17 GMT
Organization: Christopher Tate Appeasing Society, Inc.

The irrepressible Roger Maynard writes:

>>An even worse example if Alfredo Griffin, who played 140 games at shortstop
>>in 1984 for a team that had Tony Fernandez.  Fernandez was only 21, but he
>
>Griffin played 6 years in TO, 3 in OAK and 4 in LA.  Toronto, a defending
>champion, just reacquired him.  These 3 organizations are 3 of the most
>successful in the game.  Are you implying that they don't know what they
>are doing?  No, I think the problem might be found in your one-dimensional
>analysis of a player's worth.

Get out much, do you, Rog?

Not only am I *implying* that they don't know what they're doing,
allow me to spell it out for you...

ALFREDO GRIFFIN SUCKS.  Any team that signs him to do ANYTHING is just
plain making a STUPID move.  IMBECILIC.  CHURLISH.  DAFT.

Do you consider counting the number of runs, positively and
negatively, that a player is worth, to be one-dimensional?

Is there a third facet to baseball other than offense and defense?

{Yes, I'm ready to shoot down the 'chemistry' media puppets.}

>Alfredo Griffin is reported to be a really nice guy, a positive influence
>on the bench, in the clubhouse and on the field - if not at the plate.

So am I.  So is David Nichols.  Doesn't mean I want him playing for
Oakland.

>Making him the butt of your little statistical jokes shows a complete
>lack of respect for a man who commands a lot more respect from his peers
>than Tony Fernandez.  Ask the players if he made a "measurable" contribution.

Why?  The players haven't shown that they know what's valuable and
what isn't.  Why should ask their opinion on something they're not
necessarily qualified to analyze?  Just because you can perform a game
well doesn't mean you understand it better than everyone else.

I'm a fantastic solderer.  Does that mean I can design an audio
component as well as an electrical engineer?

Take a guess, Buckwheat.
-- 
*   Gary Huckabay   * "If Gary Huckabay couldn't hit a baseball 500 feet,  *
* "Walks a helluva  *  he'd be of no use at all.  All he does is talk and  *
*   lot more than   *  drink.  It'd be nice if he could field, but that'd  *
*  Shawon Dunston." *  be too much to ask." - Pat Mustavus, Baseball Coach *
From: srobson@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Seth I Robson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:09:39 GMT
Organization: WAFFLE magazine.


It must be Mario Mendoza.  Unless he didn't get enough AB to qualify or
something.  Otherwise I'd consider Johnny LeMaster, who probably stole too
many bases at one point or other.  

--
Seth I. Robson; srobson@ucscb.ucsc.edu  [ humm-baby! ]
University of California, Santa Cruz
"There's something kind of EUUUUUUUGH about a kid that doesn't like
 to play baseball..."  -- Foghorn Leghorn.
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From: M21444@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Amazing METS Update
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:10:07 GMT

 
 
Bang!  Smack!  Crash!  Thump!  Crack!  Thump!  Thump, Thump, Thump...
 
The preceding noises are:
 
a)  a secret audiotape released by the alleged rape victim of Dwight, Vince,
and Daryl in Dwight's apartment last spring
 
THE CORRECT ANSWER IS...need we even say.  If you think it's A, learn to
read the papers, you illiterate fools! (That team lawyer we were telling you
about is THAT good).
 
after Saberhagen, but then I know a lot of fat Penn chicks who think the
same thing after waking up next to my alcoholic roommate after a night of
debauchery.
   Humbly Yours,
          Rubahadas and A^2
 
 
*Sigh.*  I'm a Mets fan, but I have to tell Rubahadas and A^2, you guys
are pigs.  This is rec.sport.baseball, not alt.insult.women.
 
Christine
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Hall of Fame trivia (easy)
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.212822.14228@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
>In article <6APR199202443392@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>  
>s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE) writes:
>> 
>>   OK, here's a simple trivia question...what surname has the most inductees
>> into the HOF?  And, can you name them all?
>
>How about Frank, Brooks and Jackie Robinson?

Don't forget Wilbert.



-- 
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From: epstein@sunc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: MATT YOUNG TOSSES NO-HITTER, LOSES 2-1
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:08:41 GMT

In <1992Apr13.022436.20357@mv.mv.com> mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.001022.29645@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> todd@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar) writes:
>>Nope.  You can lose and still get credit for the no no if you pitch the 9 
>>innings - Hawkins' game was in Chicago, I think, so he only threw 8...
>
>I understand "no no" to mean "no hits, no runs."  Is there a dialect
>of baseball-speak in which this is not so?

My understanding is that "no-no" is slang for no-hitter (regardless of
whether any runs were allowed).  While the mapping of "no-no" to "no
his, no runs" seems plausible, I think "no-no" is just a cute term for
no-hitter -- for example, it would seem odd for someone to say "he
pitched a `no' last night".

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mike Schooler
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:01:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington

dangerous alliance <ACPS7151@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:

>For whom it may concern,
>
>Schooler is doing fine is arm is back in condition 
>and he has his velocity back,
>but i am still not sure on his reliablity in the pen.  
>But that is my thinking...

manager Bill Plummer has said he wants to use Schooler for only one
and mmmmmaybe two innings at a time.  i was at monday's game in
which he lost the game, and i must say he was pitching pretty sloppy.
guess we'll wait and see.

-- 
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 c-OO                                                                      
    \                 "i am the walrus.  goo-goo-goo-joob"
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 20:10:21 EDT
From: <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: no-hitters

As everyone out there knows, Boston's Matt Young pitched a complete game,
0-hit performance against Cleveland in the first game of Sunday's double
header. But, because of a ruling make by the Elias Sports Bureau last year
in an effort to eliminate bogus no-hitters (rain shortened no-nos, extra
inning affairs in which a pitcher went at least nine innings without yielding
a hit, etc), Young does not get credit for his performance. Granted, he
walked 7 batters in the game (to pitch a no-hitter takes a bit of wildness
or a helluva lot of luck, or a mix of the two), but I believe that he
should be credited with the no-hitter. After all, it's not his fault that
his teammates couldn't score any runs for him so that he could get to the
ninth. Who out there thinks that the qualifications should be changed for
a no-hitter, to having to pitch at least 8 innings for a complete game if
you are pitching for the away team (and that wasn't Young's fault either)?
From: PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:41:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

In article <1992Apr9.165939.28352@unx.sas.com>
sasrns@cossack.unx.sas.com (Neal Smith) writes:

>good play.  Wimpy and the Hawk are jerks they don't even say anything
>when someone from the other team makes a good play or hits a shot.
>
>   I was watching one of their Spring Training (notice the caps)
>games and they were giving the starting lineup and when they got around
>to Ventura they started all this crap about how he should have gotten
>the MVP.  I mean come on, he's good and I'm probably going to draft
>him in RLB, but he's no Cal.
>
As I said in an earlier post, I generally agree that Harrelson and
Paciorek are insufferable homers, so what follows is not meant to condone
their style.  But get your facts straight!  I saw the spring game you're
talking about, and it was Frank Thomas they said deserved the MVP, not
Ventura.  Whether FT deserved it over Ripken is at least open to debate,
whereas nobody -- including Harrelson and Paciorek -- would be dumb enough
to say Ventura's was an MVP-type season.  Impressive, by not MVP.

>Later
>Neal Smith
>

Tom Garritano
From: nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Answer
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:35:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr16.013541.752
Reply-To: nss3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr15.183218.14499@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.175648.21877@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>>Okay, I stumped all of you 10000 page encyclopedia-carrying statheads.
>>
>>The answer to the question "Who was Rollie Fingers bridge partner?" is
>>Ted Simmons !!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Okay, here's a really tough one:
>
>What number am I thinking of?

Twenty, of course! :-) :-P

>-- 
>Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
>1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
>U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
>Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.

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From: littaum@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Ellis Burk's 89 stats wanted!
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:10:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

The title says it all.  I need Ellis Burks' average/slugging/onbase stats,
from 1989, broken down into vs LHP/vs RHP.  Thanks in advance.
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From: fester@etorofu.island.COM ()
Subject: predictions - addendum
Originator: fester@etorofu
Organization: Island Graphics, Marin County, California
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:58:17 GMT

Fearless predictions for 1992 with one line analysis

AL East - Toronto, and a bunch of also-rans

Toronto - No weaknesses
Milwaukee - Pitching, relief, and decent years by vets are key to surprise pick
Boston - Not quite enough of anything, but good overall balance 
Detroit - If they had some arms ...
Baltimore - Improving. Sutcliffe and G Davis could help surprise this year
New York - Not enough anything, anywhere. Maybe next year. Maybe not.
Cleveland - Right direction for future IF they stick with it.

AL West - Good overall division; 3 or 4 way dogfight at top.

Texas - Any kind of decent pitching gives 'em the nod.
Chicago - Strong pitching, good top of the order hitting
Minnesota - Improved, but so has division
Oakland - Eck, Stew, and Lansford key to rising in the division
Kansas City - Off-season acquisitions help; still not enough to contend
Seattle - Not yet.
California - Put this staff almost ANYWHERE else and watch them run away

NL East - No surprises

Pittsburgh - Solid club
New York - Potential pitching problems for first time in a LONG time
Chicago - IF Patterson is effective and Sosa shows any improvement
St Louis - Young and improving; could move above Chicago
Philadelphia - Next year could be a solid contender
Montreal - NL version of the Yanks with more speed.
 
NL West - No real slouches
 
Atlanta - Best overall club in ML and still young
Cincinnati - Better than last year in a tough division
Los Angeles - Good stars, poor bit players
San Francisco - Pitching better than last year (not really hard to imagine).
Houston - Young and improving; .500+ a real possibility.
San Diego - Good team, but division's tough. Not enough hitting


Atlanta meets Toronto for the WS and Atlanta wins in 6.

Mike
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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Juan Samuel--who pays.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:09:39 GMT

I'm a Dodger fan, but sometimes I wonder:
Do the Dodgers pay Juan Samuel or does the rest of the National League
pay them to keep him on their roster?
From: kirsch@ux.acs.umn.edu (Dave Kirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: George Bell traded to White Sox!
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:18:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr8.021823.13366
Organization: David Cone's Pull Toys and Assorted Paraphenalia, Inc.

In article <kthuskINN7jo@sal-sun115.usc.edu> dittrich@sal-sun115.usc.edu (MotrinMan) writes:
>
>Judging from what Sosa said to the press, he seems to think he will be an
>everyday player.  Don't know what management/coaches have in mind though.

  Well, the Cubs first game Jim Le'Jungle'Fever showed the ultimate wisdom in
hitting Shawon 'North Wind' Dunston and Sammy 'As long as it ain't above my 
head' Sosa 1st and 2nd in the lineup. Oooh. They could pull a .280 OBP
combined. If this keeps up, at the end of the year everyone will be wondering
why Ryne Sandberg hit .300 with 30 HRs and only has 70 RBIs to show for it. 

  To make matters worse, he's playing Luis Salazar in LF when Dwight Smith 
is just *dangling* there on the bench. What if Gary Scott doesn't cut the 
mustard and they have to go back to playing Salazar full time at 3B? (I fully
expect it, having looked at his hitting numbers of the last two years.) It's
kinda sick, but Cubs fans should be *begging* for the return of Jerome Walton,
or else praying for divine intervention so that Jimmy has a dream where 
Hector's in LF. An OF of Dawson, Walton and a Smith/Villaneuva platoon in LF 
wouldn't be all bad, and you could get Hector time at C and 1B to get his bat
in the order against righties. An OF of Dawson, Sosa and Salazar is downright
pathetic. 3B is an offensive hole, as is C when Hector isn't in the lineup. 

  Lefebvre has occasionally shown that he knows *something* about how to
handle a pitching staff, but can *anyone* figure out how he fills out a lineup
card? I envision a naked man, sitting cross legged in front of an ivy altar, 
"Oh great Kreskin of the twenty-sided die, who shalt I leadoff this year?" 

-- 
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch  ...   of the Warren Newson fan club 
kirsch@ux.acs.umn.edu                          "Blue Jays all the way in '92"  
"Sportswriters mostly sit in bars and argue about things, then go home and 
 write all the clever bullshit they think they should have said at the time."
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team  :)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:29:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Brian Hunter	1B/OF   two DUI's (driving under the influence) in
			less than 6 months (3 DUI's in five years
			is a felony in Georgia)


-- 
Mike Marler                        |
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Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:27:38 GMT

In article <1245@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>GEE Sherri, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was speaking of hitting
>on the road and not claiming  he hit more in Busch or Wrigley than at 
>Three Rivers

Then why don't you say what you mean?

In any event, so what?  

>You might ask people why they do that but in my case I always disliked the guy.
>Neal Traven and Mike Contento (occassional posters her) will tell you that I
>prayed daily, for most of the years he was here, that the Pirates would trade
>that bum.  I think he's a hot dog, a slacker, a phoney, one dimensional player
>and I was glad to see him go and I'll cheer every time he flops in New
>York.

The other thing I'll never understand is why people get so personally
worked up about people they've never even met.  Why in the world do you
care whether Bobby Bonilla is the nicest guy on the face of the earth or a
jerk?  You're not being asked to interact with him on a personal level in
any way.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Errors (was Re: Robinson and Boyer)
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:24:44 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <18074@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>NUMBERS these are just numbers!
>Even though I will be flamed big time for my next statement, I'm tired
>of this whole thing.

If you don't care about numbers, that's fine.  I have no problem with that;
you can enjoy what you like about baseball, and ignore the rest.

But why do you feel it necessary to inject this opinion into a middle of a
discussion about the value of errors?  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com