HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:12:35 GMT
Organization: Rational

In article <Bu2L5r.4An.2@cs.cmu.edu>, jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick) writes:
|> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes
|> > In article <1992Sep4.033509.6048@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
|> > >Not faith, Barely, EXPERIENCE. I worked in the graphical arts for quite a
|> > >few years, remember? The cost and lead time of printing up bumper stickers
|> > >makes it an almost impossible medium for expressing transient thoughts or
|> > >emotions.
|> > 
|> > I've NEVER "worked in the graphical arts" and I'm not all that
|> > competent with modern office equipment.  Nevertheless, I've turned a
|> > bumper sticker idea into a bumper sticker in 60 seconds.  (The
|> > marginal materials cost is well under $0.50/sticker.)  It takes me
|> > another 15 minutes to get 100 copies.  Competent people with better
|> > equipment are much faster.  If I want a few thousand, driving time to
|> > the appropriate vendor will be the big time-sink.
|> > 
|> > Maybe 60 seconds doesn't count as a transient thought.  Maybe the
|> > "cost and lead time" is in applying the sticker.

With a Mac and a high-speed modem, you can find service bureaus that'll
do the whole job and Fed-X you the stuff overnite. T-shirts, slides,
prints, bumper-stickers, whatever. You don't even gotta leave home.

This ain't rocket science.

|> Remember, we're talking about the time for *Darcy* to have a transient
|> thought.

With Kev, any thought is not only transient, but quite remarkable as
well.

	-MSM
	 ("Happiness is coming" - bumper sticker seen in LA, 1985)

________________________________________________________________________
Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
"Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
[ insert tedious disclaimer drivel here ]                           IV-Q
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: "responsible for the holocaust"
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:55:42 GMT

In article <2aa65a44.crud@crud.mn.org> trashman@crud.mn.org (Barry Schwartz) writes:
>]Hey, Kevin Darcy owns the "shallow, unreasoned moral philosophy 
>]as vicious and self-justificatory as the first philosophical mus-
>]ings of adolescent males" concession in this newsgroup.  Better 
>]pay up or Kevie will sue you.
>Kebbie also has to sue Hillel.  After all, Hillel was spouting the same
>nonsense before Kebbie was, and so infringed on Kebbin's business
>before it even got on its feet!

This is true.  So I guess this means Hillel owes Kebbin double:
once for infringing on Kevie's unreasoned moral philosophy conces-
sion and then a second time to cover Kebbin's standard alt.flame
archival fee.

>Moreover, Kebbie can claim that the "something feminists did in 1970"
>was integral to the debate, and so Kebbin can collect damages for
>Hillel's use of that dodge.

Only if he can prove that it was covered in grocery store tabloids.

>("Dodge" is a trademark of Chrysler Corporation, which pays Kebbie's salary.)

Yeah, but they don't pay him any benefits.



----------
All lasting moral systems have been based on principles which, if not 
considered UNIVERSAL, or INNATE are seen to at least have been agreed-upon in 
the COLLECTIVE. 
				-- Kevin Darcy
				<1990Aug22.000545.19294@cfctech.cfc.com>
From: levin@bbn.com
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: PERVERTED HOMOSEXUAL GEEKS!
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:20:01 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis) writes:
|In article <1992Sep10.002442.4706@zooid.guild.org> Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
|>From u1048686@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
|>>BBS.....if you think otherwise, contact us on:
|>
|>    BBS?

|Sure.  That's how little kids get their access to net news.  Many of
|them, like this child, assume that it's all part of one large bulletin
|board.

Duh.
Newsgroups: alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie,alt.config
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Quit picking on me
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:15:31 GMT

patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.913128.87663@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>>I'm damned tired of everyone flaming and mailbombing me.
>>Please stop.
>>I can't take it.
>>Can somebody do a rmgroup on alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie ?
>>It's making me look bad.

>Awww.  Poor *baby*.  

>(You made your bed, you lie in it.  Consider it a little lesson in life.)

>--PLH, 37 years old and *doesn't* know everything, like he once did when he
>was 18...

EVEN ETTER...I DID NOT ENTER THAT MESSAGE OF PITY. AHAWKS@NYX.CS.DU.EDU
DID AND ADMITTED IT TO ME . 

HE HACKED MY ACCOUNT AND DID SO..

I HAVE NO SHAME! I WOULD NOT POST A MESSAGE OF SHAME AS THAT...
--
Marshal Perlman - Huntington Beach - California - USA - Earth - Milky Way 
                 Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land
Xref: sparky alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie:16 alt.config:5564
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Newsgroups: alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie,alt.config
Subject: Quit picking on me
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:31:28 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

I'm damned tired of everyone flaming and mailbombing me.
Please stop.
I can't take it.
Can somebody do a rmgroup on alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie ?
It's making me look bad.

--
Marshal Perlman - Huntington Beach - California - USA - Earth - Milky Way 
                 Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land
Newsgroups: alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie,alt.config
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Quit picking on me
Summary: Awww.
Organization: Egomaniacs Anonymous
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.913128.87663@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>I'm damned tired of everyone flaming and mailbombing me.
>Please stop.
>I can't take it.
>Can somebody do a rmgroup on alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie ?
>It's making me look bad.

Awww.  Poor *baby*.  

(You made your bed, you lie in it.  Consider it a little lesson in life.)

--PLH, 37 years old and *doesn't* know everything, like he once did when he
was 18...


-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 

                         You can rn, but you can't hide. 
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: Who is Kevin Darcy & why hate him so?
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:55:57 GMT

In <1992Sep9.185749.27407@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> Sparky writes:
>As a "Newbie Geek" to alt.flame, I've read several disparaging and downright
>rude comments directed toward one Kevin "Kebbin" Darcy.  What gives?  Why is he
>so despised?  Is he dispicable?  Should I despise him, too?

Assuming you're on a UNIX system, simply grep for "cfctech.cfc.com" and "rotag"
in /usr/lib/news/history, read all his articles, then read the articles he's
responding to (and note the astonishing difference between what they say and
what he understands them to have said), and you can make up your own mind.
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: Wow (was Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1)
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:34:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.195339.10580@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>him, but I never claimed to have "destroyed him" [sic].

Oddly enough, Kebbin's right about this one.  He did post a
message daring T*d to come fight with him but T*d just laughed
at him.

So, Kevie, who are all these people who said you were boring and
then disappeared from the face of the net?
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:34:12 GMT

In  <1992Sep2.004534.18788@cfctech.cfc.com>  kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes:
> The same comment applies. You demonstrate pitifully-limited powers of
> extrapolation and/or objectivity.

Hahahahaha!  Why look at this -- it's Mr Subjectivity pontifi-
cating on a subject he once spent three months denying even
existed!


----------
Your comprehension of the vagaries of copyright law, as well as the meaning of
public domain is about as deep as your comprehension of logic, child-support
law, ethics, the history of the net, and about a thousand other subjects.
In other words, nonexistent.
					lefty@Apple.COM (Lefty)
					<51630@apple.Apple.COM>






Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Who is Kevin Darcy & why hate him so?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:07:09 GMT

keep reading, sparky.

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Kebbin begs for attention
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:45:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.203918.14841@morrow.stanford.edu> EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara) writes:
>Kevin,
>i've only been reading this for about 1/2 hour. but i see little or
>no content, just a bunch of whining and spitting at each other.
>perhaps a vacation, perhaps a valium or prozac.  but it seems that
>if you want to be respected for your power with words, you might
>occasionally make a point.

Hmmmm... An odd post indeed. First, the author speaks of "content", then,
without warning, they suddenly switch to "respect for your power with
words". Usually, when folks attempt the customary "you're not achieving
your goal" demoralization post, they at least try to be consistent about 
WHICH goal I'm supposedly failing to achieve...

								- Kevin
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: A Warning From Darcy (was The world according to)
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:32:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.011920.14330@crd.ge.com> james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com> writes:
>is this another of those matters like kevin darcy, the
>GROUP and kevin darcy, the INDIVIDUAL?

Ah, good point.  Or perhaps he's talking about the group Darcy 
and Kellmeyer? 

Of course, we could ask him, but no doubt he's completely forgot-
ten what he meant when he wrote it.



---------------
    About the only thing that would impress that brick that holds your 
ears apart is a hammer, Darcy. It's funny how anyone who disagrees 
with your imagined [sick] understanding of events is branded a liar.
    The only thing that keeps you from being boring is the amusement 
derived by poking you with sticks.
					-- John Henders
					<H.gl5WhNUmWX2@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>


Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Kebbin begs for attention
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:39:18 GMT

Kevin,
i've only been reading this for about 1/2 hour. but i see little or
no content, just a bunch of whining and spitting at each other.
perhaps a vacation, perhaps a valium or prozac.  but it seems that
if you want to be respected for your power with words, you might
occasionally make a point.

now back to our regular reprogramming
arrow
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: Kebbin begs for attention
Followup-To: news.net-cops.kevin-darcy
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:38:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.031543.19513@crd.ge.com> james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com> writes:
>continuing to beg for attention from trish,
>kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>-> [...] sweetie pie [...] honey [...] raised my blood
>-> pressure [...] you've made me itch a couple of times
>-> [...] dear.
>this is a good example of how a voluntary chaste virgin talks.

As is this:

---------------
KKKebbin sucks up to KKKaldis:
>And all she needs to straighten her out is a good stiff ... never
>mind.

Sorry, KKKaldis. I've already had my US RDA of raw flamebait...
					<1992Aug30.223703.22826@rotag.mi.org>



From both of them.
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: PERVERTED HOMOSEXUAL GEEKS!
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:15:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.002442.4706@zooid.guild.org> Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>From u1048686@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
>>YO YO YO!!!!
>>Well all that I have to say is that U2120854 and I reckon that you are
>>all a bunch of idiots for wasting time writing a load of rubbish in this
>>BBS.....if you think otherwise, contact us on:
>
>    BBS?

Sure.  That's how little kids get their access to net news.  Many of
them, like this child, assume that it's all part of one large bulletin
board.

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: slayer@acca.nmsu.edu (Slayer)
Subject: test
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:31:23 GMT

test
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Death of HOs
Summary: execution
Organization: On An As-Needed Basis.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:19:27 GMT

Where does 'flame' come from.
Just to have something for you to attack, I generally dislike fads.
Stuff like IMHO, and "Not", and the compulsion to laminate one's self
with some lame quotation to be "cutesy".

Seems like a fun place, here. Strange to feel such an interest in seeing
the many styles of personal abuse. Think I should sharpen my wit here
for a while before I finally do something useful. Would someone like to
trade insults? No, I'm not looking for that, quite; rather to have it
slide into that out of the presumed intellectual exchange relative to some
issue . . . yes.

I suppose I have to coin a moniker to protect my True Identity, as if I knew
what that was.

---

Have at me, assholes! (Signed, Mars in Sagittarius.)
((Yes, I'm an egomaniac, NQA (no questions asked.)) (Signed, Uranus in Leo
in the 5th house.)

[A "blooding-test" for one with Venus in Pisces.]
{psychic funding provided by Neptune in Scorpio \
(read: I Know Where You Live.)}

yrs. truly, the recondite, the prolix -

- the chameleon
From: rcbi105@marshall.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Fuck You All
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:25:49 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Sep9.152040.3959@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes 
>  	PPPP  EEEEE RRRR   OOO  TTTTT    IIIII N   N      999  2222
> 	P   P E     R   R O   O   T        I   NN  N     9   9     2
> 	PPPP  EEEE  RRRR  O   O   T        I   N N N      9999  222
>  	P     E     R R   O   O   T        I   N  NN         9 2
>  	P     EEEEE R  R   OOO    T      IIIII N   N     9999  22222

NO
Newsgroups: alt.flame,talk.abortion,alt.fan.kevin-darcy
From: keegan@acm.acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1
Reply-To: james g keegan jr <keegan@acm.rpi.edu>
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Disclaimer: i speak for myself only, unless noted otherwise
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:09:55 GMT

kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
-> rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama) writes:
-> >Nonsense, it worked extremely well in this case, Kebbin.  You
-> >wanted to be the object of everyone's derision and that's ex-
-> >actly what you got.
-> 
-> If you really believe that, then go off in a 
-> corner and argue it with 
-> the "Kebbin fucked up" crowd, okay, dear? 

that would have to be a very, very large corner.

-> I have little patience with
-> detractors who can't even keep their stories consistent.

after all, there are so many of them, detractors
and stories.

-- 
charter member   ...   T.S.A.K.C.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Enhanced parallax
Organization: pubs
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:31:17 CDT

Matthew Kasdorf writes:

   The [View-Master Personal Stereo Camera] works fine,
   I've recent picture of the Grand Canyon and Baja to prove it; ...

Here's something about stereo photography that I haven't seen much
discussed.  (I'm new here, so forgive me if this has been covered.)

Although I've seen many different values for the maximum
viewer-to-object distance at which stereoscopic perception can occur,
the maximum is surely less than, say, a mile.  That is, I doubt that I
could discriminate the distances of two objects at 1 mile and 1.5 miles
solely on the basis of a 2.5-inch parallax.  For views of distant
vistas, Viewmaster slides traditionally include something in the
foreground to force your awareness of depth.  But there's another
approach.

I have two aerial photos of Manhattan taken around 1920, which were
apparently taken from a balloon.  As I reconstruct the technique, it
appears that the photographer took one shot, let the balloon drift maybe
50 feet, and then took the other shot.  The left and right shots show
evidence of 10 or 15 seconds interval between the two shots.  The result
is an artificial depth perception that one couldn't see in real life,
very much like looking down on a highly detailed table model.  For
reproducing how you would actually see, this is the wrong approach, but
if you think stereo photography is a way to add information to a photo,
this technique has great value; I think more should be done with this
approach.  Does anyone have experience with this?

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: test, please ignaore
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:21:38 GMT

Just a test.

Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Subject: Re: Enhanced parallax
Organization: University of Washington   
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:13:07 GMT

I've seen 3 different ways of computing enhanced parallax or "HyperStereo"
shots.  The two most common rules just say to shoot with the two cameras
(or moving a single camera) 1/30 (or 1/50 is the other commonly used number)
of the distance to the main subject (or closest object really).  In other
words, if you are shooting with the closest object at 30ft the cameras
should be separated by 1 ft.

I like to use a formula that takes into acct the focal lenth of the lens
involved.  It is also useful in calculating the furthest object that will
show stereo seperation from the background.

B=(p*Sn*Sf)/(F*(Sf-Sn))

B=Base separation (distance between the camera centers)
p=maximum parallax allowed on film, w/ 35mm p=1.5 is the max I can tolerate
	p=1 gives a more subdued image (and makes the formula simpler)
Sn=Distance to Near object
Sf=Distance to Far Object
F=focal length of lens

If we assume Sf is infinity (not a bad approx for a typical outdoor shot) and
set p to 1mm we get:

	B=Sn/F  (F in mm, B & Sn in any convenient unit)

I've also put together a convenient slide rule calculator where I can enter
B and F and it reads out the closest allowable object (p=1.2mm) and the
furthest object that seperates from infinity (p=0.07, this was chosen to
correspond to 100ft away from a conventional Realist format camera with
35mm lenses and 66mm spacing)

One of the common stereo rigs that I use is two Minolta X370's linked through
their remote contacts seperated by about 7 inches.  I tend to use either
28mm or 45mm lenses depending on the situation.

All of the above can also be used to calculate base separations needed to do
Macro stereo pictures (close-ups of flowers and bugs).  The "B=..."
formula falls apart though since it assumes that the distance from the film
plane to the nodal point of the lens can be approx by F (true near infinity
or at 6 or 10 ft for that matter) but WAY off when focussed at 10 inches
or so.

One last note on shooting hyperstereo's with one camera and walking over
several feet between.  Take note of which way the clouds are moving.  Shot
in the right order the clouds will seem to sit in the background, shot
in the wrong order and they will appear to be a few feet from the camera
(most bothersome to look at really :)

mike

--
Mike
watters@genetics.washington.edu
Dept of Genetics, Univ of Washington  Seattle
(d) 206-543-1934   (e) 206-361-1156 
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: View Master reels
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:12:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.190438.2210@u.washington.edu>, watters@mendel.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters) writes:
|> 
|> A more recent camera is the Nimslo (All the others are from the 1950's) it
|> was more of a point n shoot camera.  I'll defer to Tim Klein to explain
|> all about it (and modifications) though.

...and you can write to me at timk@meaddata.com

-- Tim Klein
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: kasdorf@pi.uleth.ca (Matthew Kasdorf)
Subject: View-Master PERSONAL Stereo Camera
Summary: I got one, could use a part.
Keywords: View-Master Stereo Camera
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:24:34 GMT

Hi All!

First off I'd like to thank Mike Watters for his post and making
reference to Reel 3D ... I've been looking for a source for quite some
time.  (A source of View-Master 3D Reels.)  Could Mike or someone post
or e-mail the address or phone number of Reel 3D for me please.

I actually own a View-Master Personal Stereo Camera, the flash, the
splicer, the projector, the whole ball of wax.  The camera works fine,
I've recent picture of the Grand Canyon and Baja to prove it; what I
would like is any information about where I might get the fine sand
cleaned out of it.  Also, one of the lens rings is seized so I'm unable
to put my ?blue UV? filters in.

Here's a wee info about the camera (anyone got the orignal manuals? -
I've got nothing).  First off I tend to use Kodak 64 or Fuji 100 36
exposure slide film.  The camera is neat in that it takes 36 shots
rolling off of the spool (<-A- mode) along the top of the film and
another 36 winding back onto the spool (-B-> mode).  It has an "EXPO
SURE" light guide on the top, a unique feature, but I tend to use a
light meter now.  "Lens Opening" ranges from 3.5 to 16 and the "Shutter
Speed" from Bulb to a lightning 100! ;)  On the front it states the lens
as being "Matched View-Master Anasticmats" at "f3.5 25-mm Coated".
"Important Steps In Loading", the serial number and maker are stamped on
the bottem.

There must be a few of them out there as my serial No. is in the
23000's.
"Made For SAWYER'S Inc., Portland 7, Oregon
 by Stereocraft Engineering Company"

All I know is what I've learned on my own, I'm no camera buff, I just
like to tinker.  Anyone willing to offer any constructive advice or
information is gracefully thanked in advance.

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