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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Re: Capture this message!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:57:41 EDT

My father lost a bundle on C= stock. No matter how much I want it to
thrive they won't see me buying even 5 shares of it...
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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: 68000 ALU (was Re: I am giving up on the Amiga)
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:58:47 GMT

In article <kdarling.712225708@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>I've asked this question before, and I'll ask it again:  If the 68000
>>as a 16 bit ALU, then why is it that I notice no difference in instruction
>>timing between:
>>	add.w		#1,d5
>>		and
>>	add.l		#1,d5
>
>Hi.  That's not a good test of the ALU size, as an add.l must inherently
>take longer to execute on a 68000 because it has to fetch another word
>from memory.  Have you disassembled what your compiler is putting out?
Why does it have to fetch another word from memory?  I though it would
add 1 to register d5...Am I missing something?
>Perhaps it's converting those to "addi.w" and "addq.l", respectively.
>Those take the same amount of cycles.
I will check to see which opcodes the assembler is generating...
>
>kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jrm3a@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Jonathan Moll)
Subject: Artifical Life
Originator: jrm3a@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:11:21 GMT

..... Click .....  Bzzt ..... greetings unfamiliar machine, we are
AMIGA.  you will be assimilated.  resistance is futile.  ... Click ...

..... GRONK GRONK GRONK .....  Bios 32.7 Mem check = 2048 extended  ....
assimilated?  what <BURP C:> assimilated?  Me crush you cause me bigger
more handsome and POPULAR!

( . . )
  \-/   -----  Like Hi Alternative computers!  Like wow drag my mouse

     /\         around, its cool!  Uh oh,  I'm I'm I'm gonna sneeze!
      .         <Achoo!>  <System 7 has detectecd a sneeze re-formating
       .                   all media so 6.0.7 can be re-installed>
        .

.... Click ....... Bzzt ...  You pitiful excuse of technology, analysis
indicates you cannot multitask and your overblown segmented memory and
non orthogonal CISC ops are rarely used.  Indeed, code analysis indicates
that your 32 bit features are only used by a handful of programs. 

.... GRONK .... Oh so huh!  Me wonder why you got IBUM compatibility, you
JEALOUS coz me POPULAR and you try pretend you are me!

<Formating all external SCSI devices... please wait <smiley>>

WE ARE AMIGA you will be assimilated!  Why aren't you assimilated yet!
DIE damn you DIE DIE DIE <GURU 1407 RUN OVER BY TRACTOR TRAILER>

... GRONK GRONK ... Hmm Hmm Hmm me only one left! HA HA HA!  Hmm Hmm Hmm
Me more POPULAR THAN YOU!

... GRONK2 GRONK2 ... Me just same as you!  All just same!  Hmm Hmm Hmm

... GRONK GRONK GRONK GRONK ........

- Mark Barrett -  "I TOLD YOU SO"
- Jerry POUNDER ON DRUMSER -  "HA HA HA HA HA and double HA!"
- NAN is he a man?- "OS2 lives forever VM VM VM VM puke on you MS-DOS weinees"
- Jerry POUNDER ON DRUMSER - "Hey you watch yer mouth NAN...."
- Mark Barrett -  "I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 article
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:15:51 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Jul28.235457.17265@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> by s915426@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Leanne Taylor):
> kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders ) writes:

> >This is typed from the _AMIGA news_ newspaper, volume 1 no. 7.
> 
> >			The A4000
> >		The Scoop on Commodore's Newest!
> >			 by Anon

> Here we go again :-)  When are we going to see in in the news columns of Amiga
> World and Amiga Format etc...????

    This K.X. Saunders must be thick as. Why on Earth do people post
    articles if they're not reading the newsgroups? And this idiot
    must not be reading the newsgroup, otherwise they'd have noticed
    this article has come through before...
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From: catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Presidential predictions Re: Perot?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:29:27 GMT

Distribution: World

In article <62813@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
:I swear that she [Hillary Clinton] wants to be president more than Bill does.

She might, in that case, be the best candidate.
--
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teenage boys."
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:56:52 GMT

thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
: Two short stories:
: 
[some stuff deleted]
: Same thing with an SGI IRIS (IRIX 4.0.5, 20MHz MIPS R3000/R3100); dog slow
: with SGI's version of Motif (damn: 2 minutes to log on).  "rm" all the crap,
: bring up "real" X11R5, and now it's a N-I-C-E machine.

I'll bet SGI X runs GL applications much faster than X11R5 does.  It all
depends on what you need.  Since a lot of people buy SGI machines for
thier 3D graphics, which is very fast, the performance of the server
isn't that big of an issue.  If you don't like SGI motif, then use a
different window manager, use xterms and the like.  But when it comes to
doing 3D graphics, X11R5 sucks dead bunnies and SGI X doesn't.
: 
: Conclusion: X11R5 is good whereas OpenWindows, HP-VUE, SGI Motif, etc. all suck
: dead bunnies through a straw.

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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:47:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.152601.21696@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
> This is like saying, "Credit cards are overrated.  You can always carry
> more cash.
>
> | Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |

Carrying this analogy further, then I take it you wouldn't do business with
a store that didn't accept credit cards, even if you didn't have to use it,
right? :)
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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: I'm a bit scared...
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Keywords: Support commodore a3000 ecs
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:35:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul29.055722.2738@cs.mun.ca> craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace) writes:
>
>To cut to the chase, am I going to be left high and dry with no support?  I
>was bitten once (with the abandoned 1000), and I don't care to own yet another
>obsolete machine.
>
	There are too many users. Even if Commodore didn't
release another upgrade ever, the machines are flexible enough
that you'd have support for years to come. However, the PC world
will continue to advance faster than the Amiga world (unless
you're dealing with video).
	-- Ethan


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:07:12 GMT

Gregory R Block writes:
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>: Greg, these two sentences just don't parse for me.  350K of *source* code?
>: 32 megabytes of what?
> 
>If the OS used by CD-I systems can do VM, MP, and RT in under a meg,

CD-RTOS doesn't have VM at all (not wanted in a realtime system)...
nor does it enable its small MMU for MP, as far as I know.

However, it does have RT and a fair amount of RTG (necessary because the
video will be upgraded over time).

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: byte review
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:46:12 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (robert buonincontro) writes:

> I don't think Byte will be reviewing the video ready Amiga. Unless they
>are complete fools they already know it is a bundled package. I is also
>unlikely that they will be reviewing an Amiga 600. Byte prides
>themselves at being the first to report something. The A600 is old news.

> There have been a lot of reports that Commodore will make some official
>anouncements concering new products and the direction they are going to.
>Since BYTE was the first magazine to actually have and review the Amiga
>3000, it is highly possible that they have a new system. With all the
>bad talk Commodore has recieved lately from the press and users, it
>would be in Commodores advantage to have such a review. Even if the
>machine is still in the beta stages it would give people a chance to see
>what Commodore has been doing the past little while

Two problems:
1) Mr. Robinson's article wasn't published before Jerry of BYTE claims to
  be doing a review on a "new" amiga.
2) Commodore claims to announce her new Amigas in Sept.  Nonetheless,
   BYTE's next issue is supposed to come out in August.  Knowing how
   Commodore used to publicize her machines, I doubt she will reveal
   a beta-testing machine to a Magazine.  

well... I certainly hope to be wrong... I would love to know what C= is
up to.

>    Robert.Buonincontro@Canrem.com
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>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:24:50 GMT
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries

In article <1992Jul22.020040.3968@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>Ah ha!  A price for a 600HD!  US $500... plus $285 for a 1084S.

That was converted from the Australian price, which was a lot lower than the
English prices someone mentioned earlier.  Anyone have any, say, German prices?

Assuming the 600 is actually released in the US, the price could be higher or
lower - Commodore's relative pricing in different countries doesn't make a lot
of sense.  For example, A2000s are cheaper in Australia than the US, but we pay
more for A3000s.  As they say, go figure.

$500 gives you a benchmark, but that's about it.

>VS a 386dx-40 with no HD or video for $425, but everything else.
>
>Competitive on power?  No.  But useability value, no.

That about sums it up.  An A600 gives you a cheap usable system.  Any PC
you can put together for that sort of price isn't really usable in terms of
today's software.

However, if you're looking at the $1000-$1500 bracket, where you can put
together a usable PC, that PC outperforms any Amiga in that price range.

So, at the moment, PCs and Amigas aren't really competing in the same market.
What we need is a new mid-range Amiga.  Comparing A600s and 386's at this
point is fairly pointless.
No idea.


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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:43:41 GMT

Since Marc Barrett has repeatedly pointed out that the Amiga's "lack"
of Virtual Memory is a problem, I sent him the following info... it
appears to me that the program described below is a rather sophisticated
implementation of Virtual Memory, as far as it can be taken on the Amiga
currently.

It might be to C='s advantage to purchase this program and package it with
the next version of the OS.



From cheshire.oxy.edu!usc!wupost!uunet!sybus.sybus.com!myrddin!tscs!tbag!jayson Sun May 10 15:02:41 PDT 1992
Article: 10410 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: jayson@tbag.UUCP (Jayson Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Virtual Memory found for Amiga
Date: 30 Apr 92 04:08:03 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

 
>From: dridi@choco.UUCP (Gilles Dridi ERF004)
>Subject: Re: Virtual Memory found for Amiga
>Date: 22 Apr 92 16:35:32 GMT
>
>>sjc28473@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven Joseph Chmura) writes:
>>
>>I spotted this announcement in the readme file for mmux32 on ab20:
>>
>>Available by Feb, 1992:
>>  AVM - the Amiga Virtual Memory      by F. Buergel and C. Schneider
>>     At last - the benefits of virtual memory for existing software
>>     like AdPro, CygnusEd, Imagine, etc
>>     Hardware independent and 100% multitasking!
>> ...
>>It detects acess to  paged-out memory by marking memory
>>as 'invalid'.
>>Yours sincerely
>>Friedemann U. Buergel
>
>    Can someone explain what does this program do ?
>    Does it use MMU on 68030 system ?
>    Or is it a joke ?
>
>--
>{cbmvax!cbmehq}!cbmfra!choco!dridi
 
OK let's get one thing straight here.  The MMU stands for Memory Management
Unit.  It doesn't (necassarily) have anything to do with virtual memory. It
supports what is known as Hardware Memory Protection, or memory translation.
That is, or course, memory management.  In the 68K series of CPU's the
Vector Base Register is used to support virtual memory in the following:
68010, 68020, 68030, 68040.  The 68000 and 68008 do not have the Vector Base
Register.  I'm not sure, but possibly virtual memory can be implemented on
the 68000 with some nifty software.  In any case, the MMU is not necassary.
All 68K CPU's above the 68000 can support virtual memory.
 
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From cheshire.oxy.edu!usc!wupost!uunet!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!forty2!amiga!blatter Sun Jul 26 12:15:34 PDT 1992
Article: 6393 of comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: blatter@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Martin A. Blatter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory for the Amiga?
Date: 26 Jul 92 11:35:55 GMT
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Comp. Sci.

In article <1992Jul24.100519.617@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>>>  AVM - the Amiga Virtual Memory      by F. Buergel and C. Schneider
>>>     At last - the benefits of virtual memory for existing software
>>>     like AdPro, CygnusEd, Imagine, etc
>I'm not sure, but possibly virtual memory can be implemented on
>the 68000 with some nifty software.  In any case, the MMU is not necassary.
>All 68K CPU's above the 68000 can support virtual memory.
>Is this program actually available?  In use?  Any comments?

The program has been released and is available in Germany under
the name of `GigaMem'. It *requires* an Amiga with MMU (68020
with 68851 or real 68030). GigaMem can make secondary memory 
(e.g. space on a hard drive) available as primary memory (RAM).

It's fully transparent, this means applications don't have to
specify that they want virtual memory (e.g. with a MEMF_VIRTUAL
flag for AllocMem), they just get it. That way, GigaMem is compatible
with almost any existing application program. It even allows
you to specify well-behaving programs and decides according to
this information which programs will get virtual memory and which
won't.
-- 
Martin A. Blatter - ICU
blatter@ifi.unizh.ch, blatter@amiga.physik.unizh.ch


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@aminet.uucp (Keith Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Proposal: comp.sys.amiga.barrett
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:00:03 GMT
Reply-To: barrett%aminet@nuconvex.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Waterbury USENET/UUCP
X-Copyright: (c) 1992 Keith Barrett; May be distributed freely, Not for sale
X-Disclaimer: Statements expressed are not representitive of any employer
X-NewsSoftware: XRN V6.17 Amiga UNIX SVR4


In article <33158@cbmvax.commodore.com>, andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>In article <50619@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>	There are at least *four* people named "barrett" who post in the
>>Amiga groups, and who-knows-how-many "barretts" just reading.  Believe it or
>>not, we are all individuals.  So I vote NO WAY on this newsgroup name. :-)
>>
>
>Dan makes an important point;  remember to _fine tune_ those kill files;
>otherwise you could be accidently failing to read interesting and
>useful posts :-)

Thanks Andy --

YES - don't let one bad barrett spoil it for the rest of us! While my
posts may not always be interesting, I'd like to think they are getting
seen. Besides, I was here first (I just consume less bandwidth).

[Note: This article excluded ;-)]


-kgb

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Well, Jerry Pournell says that there is a new amiga
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:47:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: comp

In article <1992Jul25.212141.19442@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>Umm... is this a *new* Amiga, or is he just saying, like he did with the
>TT, that he just bought a 3000, and he'll tell us about it next month.

Or, God forbid, an A600.

>
>Thom
>


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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 586/p5 not available in systems this year
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:32:51 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul24.022809.15855@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
> Found in comp.arch :
>
> Wall Street Journal, Thursday 23:
>
> 'Intel delays debut of P-5 chip to refine production process & eliminate bugs'
>
> [...] Intel originally planned to introduce the P-5 and begin limited produc-
> tion in the fourth quarter of 1992. But it now plans to introduce the chip in
> the first quarter of 1993, said Paul Otellini, vice president in charge of
> intel's microprocessor business.
> [...] Mr. Otellini said the postponement wasn't caused by any unexpected flaws
> in the P-5 or glitches in the manufacturing process, but added that it will
> allow intel extra time to test the chip for possible defects.
>
>
> I told you so.   :-)
>

There have been MANY ads in the local Silicon Valley newspapers for HW designers
with 486 board experience to work on 586 designs.  When the P-5 is released,
there will be hardware right away.  However, these designers will be working
with "beta" versions of the chips for a while.

> --
> Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>               "Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate."

--
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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Los Altos, CA 94024

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:13:41 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>Well all of this is fine in theory. However, you are really talking 
>vapourware of the finest kind. Alliances come and go and rarely produce
>great results. There are only a finte number of programmers of excellent

>As far as relying on MacWeek, well...

>[ Stuff re schedules of an unbelievable nature...]

  Well, the products (in particular the Cyclone series) seem pretty
similar to what my developer friends at Apple's WWDC actually saw...
(and they [the developers] are preparing their accompanying hardware
products for release within a year).

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