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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Dexter Carter
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 02:04:00 GMT

In article <ccj=03mj9bja00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>You 49er fans have never forgiven Dexter for being a number one draft pick 
>have you? Dexter will do just fine as a situation back and kick returner for 
>the Niners. That's what they drafted him for.

Sorry, you've got it all wrong. First, it was never Dexter that we were
upset with, it was the 49ers' management for picking him. And contrary
to what you say, they did *NOT* draft him as a situation back, and they
did *NOT* attempt to use him as such (if you remember, he was the starting
halfback). Even if they *HAD* drafted him as a situation back, that still 
doesn't get them off the hook with us 49er fans, since that was *NOT* the 
way to spend a first round draft pick in the 49ers' situation. Then the
49ers continued to compound the problem by refusing to admit their mistake
and continuing to try to force Carter to play a role to which he was
not suited. *THAT'S* what pissed us off.

Now, let's put history aside and look at the current situation. Everything
else you said in your post is dead on. Dexter is certainly a very talented
athelete, and finally the 49ers have realized the correct way to utilize
him (although he has not had a chance to show it yet this season). More
importantly, according to Dexter's recent comments Dexter himself now
recognizes that he is best suited to be a situation player. So, now that
both 49ers' management and Dexter Carter have the correct perspective on
things I expect to see good things from him from now on.

>You guys amaze me in your inability to see the value of certain players in 
>certain roles.

This comment should not be directed at us 49er fans, it should be directed
towards 49ers management. We fans have known all along how to get the most
out of Carter; if you had been reading all the Carter posts for the last
few years you would have realized that. Sure, there were scattered "get-rid-
of-Carter" posts, but those were mostly the result of frustration with
49ers management over their inability to use him correctly.

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 02:38:15 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: J.J. Birden status request??

  I didn't see Monday night's game, but I noticed that he posted no
stats for the game.  Is he hurt,  did he play,  what's the scoop??
Please e-mail the response as well.  Thanks!!
From: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:38:33 GMT
Reply-To: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) says:

>
>Mike Ditka's tirade of Jim Harbaugh on the sidelines after the interception
>by Todd Scott in the 4th Quarter, his subsequent blasting in the post-game
>news conference, and his wimpy apology on WGN-AM (720) for "overreacting" 
>proves to me that Ditka "just doesn't get it." 
>
>His defense failed him. If it weren't for four Vikings turnovers in the
>first three quarters, the Vikes should've blasted the Bears. To dump it
>all on a key turnover by Harbaugh is to ignore the fact that the Bears
>defense gave up 14 quick points in 12 minutes.

Great point.  Ditka was acting like Harbaugh's INT was for 21 pts.
But even after the INT, the Bears had the ball with a 13 pt lead
and less than 12 min to play.  Yet the Vikes scored with two 70+
yard drives.  


Now for some Viking observations.  This game was very important for
the Vikes.  Last week, they destroyed Cinci.  Was that a fluke?
Well, I think that he Vikes looked much better than the Bears in
the 1st half.  They were able to drive the ball at will and their
defense played good.  However, they buried themselves with yet
more mistakes (2 fumbles, 1 INT, and a TD called back by penalty).
A good team must demonstrate that it can overcome challenges, and
a 21 point deficit in the 4th was a huge mountain to overcome.

Scott handed the Vikes their chance with a TD/INT return.  (He's
the one who picked off Boomer last week 3 times).  However,
it takes a good team to capitalize on this shift in momentum, and
their defense rose to the occasion and shut down Chicago.

Gannon then came through with some
crisp passing  (I really think with more exp, this
lad will be a premier quarterback) and Roger Craig and Chris Carter
also stepped up.  

The Vikes won an important game.  Not only have they shown that
they can maul another team, but they also can come back
after digging themself into a hole.  

I'm startin' to get my hopes up, howver, there are some
more problems and tests for them ahead.  

Their main problem as far as I can see are their mistakes.
Too many fumbles, punt blocks, and INTs are haunting them.
Experience should help to iron these out however.

The next test - Detriot.  They should beat Detriot (their
only loss has been to Detroit and that was Detroits only
win.  A good team has to win the games they are supposed to win.

[Soon they will be tested against some real teams - Philly, Houston,
and SF]

BTW, I think Dennis Green is on the road to Coach of the Year.  
Any comments?



-- 
Michael
From: mckernan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Robert L Mckernan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Quaterbacks:Steve Young the best in the league
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:46:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



	YOU ARE DREAMING MY FRIEND, IF YOU THINK YOUNG IS A BETTER
PASSER OR RUNNER THAN RANDALL. JUST COMPARE THE STATS. THE ONLY KNOCK
AGAINST RANDALL, AND THIS IS A BIG, ONE, IS THAT HE CAN NOT WIN THE
BIG GAME ( i.e. PLAYOFF GAME). BUT STEVE YOUNG HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING 
EITHER.  

	IF A GAME IS ON THE LINE THE ONE QB I WANT (AND I DON'T CARE
WHAT KIND OF GAME HE IS HAVING) WOULD BE JOHN ELWAY.

				ROB
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: STEELERS ARE OVERRATED!
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:13:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <gemaQpa00VAyA9k2UH@andrew.cmu.edu>, ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christophe
r Glenn Huegle) writes:
>JGH says "Let's not play this if game"
>Well, I get the impression that is what mostly happens here and
>that is the major job of the Arm Chair quarterback, which I'm sure
>we are in at least a little way.  The "if"s  is part of what
>makes being a 7 day a week fan fun.  Yes, using if's won't change
>anything.  Yes, if's can go both ways.  But it still fun to do.
>
>And just in defense of my if, here's a header from Tuesday's USA
>Today, "Woodson apologizes for Steelers' loss."  This basically
>means that Woodson thought the same thing I thought.
>
>                   TTFN
>                        Chris
>

In fact, Woodson blames himself completely for the loss.  In the Steelers
Digest,

            "There are 47 guys on this team, and you're supposed to win as a
            team and lose as a team," said Woodson.  "I didn't play up to my
            expectations or anyone else's, and I ended up costing us the game.
            It's something I have to live with.  I have to rebound."

            "I played very immature today.  I played like I didn't have any
            experience.  They capitalized on the mistakes I made, and they got
            14 points out of it.  The margin of victory was 14 points, so that
            tells the tale.  We have 12 more games to go.  You live with it,
            and try to get the respect of the players throughout the league
            again."

            
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - If God dwells inside
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         us, like some people say, I sure hope he likes
215-758-0875            enchiladas, cause that's what he's getting.
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From: 00h@pnet16.cts.com (Rmc{Sw} Brooks)
Subject: Re: Eagles schedule
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:56:04 GMT

Looking at Philly's schedule , they could lose four out of the next five!
Boy would it be quiet on this bbs then.

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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: SuperBowl Champions blah blah blah (was Re: SuperBowl Champions Philly
Organization: M.I.T. (Made In Taiwan)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:10:22 GMT

Eagles)
Keywords: 

Hey, don't you think all this Superbowl this that and
the other thing will JINX the team.  Heh. Heh. Heh.

Don't be too greedy.  Take it one game at a time.

GO BIRDS!!!  BEAT COWBOYS!!!  Unga bunga!!!

(Primitive superstitious voodoo Cro-Magnon apeman speaking here.)
From: rhoads@blaze.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: '72Dolphins/Steelers
Keywords: 1000 yard runners in a season(2 of them)
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:18:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads

>>Actually, the 1972 Dolphins had THREE 1000 yard runners: "Mercury"
>>Morris, Larry Csonka, and Jim Kiick(sp?).
>>-- Glenn Rhoads

>Dead wrong buddy... Csonka had 1117, Morris had 1000 exactly and Kiick
>had only 521.
>
>rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu           Ross Smith

Yes, yes, you're right.  I thought I had remembered seeing 1000 yards
after Jim Kiick's name after the '72 season, but we've seen how
frighteningly unreliable 20 year old memories can be. (I must be
getting old! :-) ).  Truth is Jim Kiick didn't even have 1000 combined
yards.  Thanks for setting me straight.

-- Glenn Rhoads
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Franchise Player???
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:11:38 GMT

In <Bv3HxM.B6w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:

>If I were to start a franchise in the NFL and could have any player in the 
>league I would want a type of player who can dominate a game offensively.
>Such as the following:

>QB: Dan Marino
>RB: Thurman Thomas or Barry Sanders
>WR: Jerry Rice

Not to downplay any of these fine players but the choice of Marino just
underlines the fact that you can't win by offense alone.  IOW, there
*is* no such thing as a "franchise" player.  You need at least two, e.g.
Montana AND Lott or Cunningham AND White.  It was only a few years ago
that the 'Fins were racking up big scores and *still* losing.  It could
be argued that you'd have more success with a "franchise player" on D
only, in fact.  Look at the Bear's superbowl team.  Singletary, almost
alone.  (Don't try to convince me that their QB, whazzisname, had
anything to do with it.)  Or look at the Eagles last year, with White on
defense, and *no* O!  

>Go Dolphins( 12-4 in 92 ) 

They might be able to do it, but only because they have a defense now. :-)
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!
From: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Possible bad omen for Oilers, Eagles?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:46:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I was just thinking about this:

Thinking back over past Super Bowl winners, no team, with the exception
of the '89 49ers & George Seifert, has won the SB without the coach who
built that team coaching it.  Teams that change coaches after reaching
a certain level tend not to get past that level, while teams that remain
with the same coaches go on to a higher level.  By way of demonstration:

1991: Wshington - joe Gibbs (coach since 1980 or '81, I forget)
1990: NY Gianys - Bill Parcells, coach since 1983
1989 San Francisco - george Seifert, the lone exception
1988 San Francisco - Bill Walsh, coach since 1979 (I think)
1987 Washignton - Gibbs
1986 NY Giants - Parcells
1985 Chicago - Mike Ditka, coach since '81 or '82
1984 San Francisco - Walsh
1983 LA Raiders - Tom Flores, coach since 1978 (right?)
1982 Washignton - Gibbs
1981 San Francisco, Walsh
1980 LA Raiders - Flores (maybe another exception, but it took a new
QB and 3 years for the silver & black to return to the SB after Madden's
win)
1978-9 Pittsburgh - Chuck Noll, coach since 1969
1977 Dallas - tom Landry, coach since 1960
1976 Oakland - John Madden, coach since late 1960's
1974-5 Pittsburgh - Noll
1972-3 Miami -Don Shula, coach from 1970 
1971 Dallas - Landry

I think this shows the trends pretty well.  With the exception of
George Seifert and (maybe) Tom Flores, no coach ever took another
cvoach's winning team to the super bowl.  Which bodes badly for
the Eagles and Oilers this year...


-- 
James John DiBenedetto (jjd3@po.cwru.edu) | "You certainly do not want to 
SUNY Buffalo School o' Law Class of 1994  |  conspire to commit criminal tax 
Western Reserve College '91               |  fraud..." - Prof. Ray Reichert,
Go Giants!                                |  SUNY Buffalo School o' Law
From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Finally...Jackson's outta here!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:49:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep29.174942.21142
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

>Philly seems to have mixed emotions about the Jackson-Dolphin thing.
>Here's my opinion - Keith Jackson is an asshole. Philly is actually
>better off without him.  The guy did nothing but whine and complain
>about everything.  Every word out of his mouth was Me, Me, Me.  Oh,
>I almost forgot - he can say 'hold-out' and 'money' also.  There comes
>a time when you gotta whine about money and there's a time when you
>have to show some loyalty towards your fellow players.

	Yeah, I kinda agree.  I've got mixed emotions about this.
He's a Pro Bowler, and how can you knock what he could have contributed on
the field?  Yeah, off the field, he's an asshole, but what can you say?

	Frankly, I think a large amount of the problem is Norman Brahmin's
fault. He's cheap.  Damn cheap and we all know it.  You kinda have to step
into Keith Jackson's shoes.  I'm not sure about the figures, but before all
of this ruckus began, his salary was (I think) $300,000.  That's damn
cheap and highly underpaid for his talents.  Wouldn't YOU get pissed if
YOU were getting underpaid for YOUR talents at YOUR job?

	It's always us against them.  Players vs. management.  C'mon.
What kind of player wants to deal with that kind of crap every time
it comes to negotiate?  He just wants to play football and not
play legal games.

	I mean what kind of organization is this if players like REGGIE
WHITE, a minister for crying out loud!, has problems with the Eagles
organization?!?  It's pathetic.  I'm not saying that the Eagles'
organization should cave in to the demands of every player, but it
shouldn't be so damn confrontational and unwilling to compromise!

	My worst nightmare is that the player friction with the manage-
ment will lead to poor playing on the field.  I know - they're professionals,
but they're also human.  Deep inside, every one of them knows that while
they're playing their hearts out on the field, some asshole in the skybox
is making a ton of dough by ripping them off.

	Also, I hope that the players don't want to leave the organization
and move off to another team where they don't have to deal with the same
level of frustration that they experience while negotiating with the Eagles
management and where they might get some respect from the owner.

End of Tirade.

Not yet, CHEEP, CHEEP, CHEEP!

Okay, now it's over.  :)
From: ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Karl Witte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Central
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:00:00 GMT
	<BILLMS.92Sep28083116@quip.eecs.umich.edu>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

There has been a lot of discussion under this heading about the Lions. 
The Lions are clearly better than 1-3.  They simply have had a number of
tough losses to a weak Chicago team, a much improved Tampa team, and a
still strong (but probably not superbowl calibre) Redskins.  When Barry
gets back on track, teams will have to focus more on him and that will
leave the passing attack much more open.  Look for the Lions to start
racking up some W's in the next few weeks.
Someone wrote that TNT announced that the Lions were not running a
run-and-shoot.  Does anybody know why not?

Jeff Marten writes:
> I was pretty skeptical of the Bucs early, but if they keep
> winning, I may be a believer soon.  And the Bucs history isn't
> really too relevant, since they have a new coaching staff and a
> lot of relatively new, young players.
Me, too.  I was very surprised that the beat the Lions, and that they
beat the Packers so badly.  They had a tough loss to a good Vikings
squad.  I always knew Wyche was a good coach, he has really turned
around a young Tampa squad.  It almost makes me forget the fact that
last year the Tampa Bay owner issued a statement in the middle of a game
saying he would not fire his coach because of the team's performace that
day.  It was after a whipping from a beaten up Packer squad.  I think
the players have gotten a lot of confidence simply from knowing they are
working for a coach as good as Wyche.

> Do people that have seen much of Gannon think he's any good?  I
> haven't seen him play yet this year.
Did you watch the highlights last night?  He connected with Carter
around ten times alone, and wound up with some really awesome numbers. 
This was against the same secondary that did a good job against a fairly
good Packers passing attack just one week before.

> This was a good game for GB.  Hopefully they can carry the
> momentum and beat Atlanta next week, and follow this with a win in
> Cleveland.  If so, they could approach .500 this season.  I'm
> guessing 5 more wins (7-9) if Favre continues to play well and
Agreed.  The Falcons are not meeting up to the expectations I had for
them, and the Pack could beat them.  The Falcons have a soft middle,
look for the Packers to take a lot of short passes across the middle (TE
delay routes, Workman will probably have quite a few receptions). 
Beating Cleveland shouldn't be that tough.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: leza@taichi.uucp (25853-breckinridge)
Subject: A name from the past (was re: Tampa Bay Question)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:14:09 GMT


(From: BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu) writes:


>> The first team the Bucs beat in the regular season was the New Orlean Saints.
>> 33-10 was the final.  It was great.  Gary Huff was the starting Q.B.
>> They were 0-26 before that.  The loss cost Hank Stram his job.

Barry

-----------------------------------------------

There is a name from the "Great Bears" past: Gary Huff. Brings back images
of Bob Avellini, Vince Evans, and the last couple of years of Bobby
Douglass. Also, brings back memories of many losing seasons (except for
the 2 wild-card teams under Coach Armstrong).

Robert
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: ONE QUESTION!!!!!!!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:57:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1992Oct5.175721.24299
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Oct5.170517.2009@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.181338.19436@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) writes:
>>
>>ONE QUESTION: OUT OF THE 5 TIMES ACHYMAN HAS PLAYED AGAINST THE MIGHTY EAGLES
>>HOW MANY TIMES HAS ACHYMAN WON????????
>> [ other nonsense deleted ... ]
>>
>>JULIUS,BARKLEY,CUNNUNGHAM,DYKSTRA,BOL,HAWKINS,BARNETT,WALKER......WHATS MORE
>>
>>TO SAY THEIR THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>  Let's try a real list....Gervin, Robinson, Staubach, Aikman, Smith, Irvin,
>        Novacek(sp?), Dorsett, Pearson, Hill, Lily, Jones, I could go on
>        forever, but I won't.
>
>        GO DALLAS!
>
>        Chris
>  --
>  Chris Robbins
>  Sigma Tau Gamma
>  University of Texas- San Antonio
>  1991-91 Southland Conference Regular Season Basketball Champions!

Aren't we a bit biased HERE? Your list is admirable, but it is
only list of former greats. Just about anyone can conjure up
a list from the past. Please get REAL!
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succedd.  -   Mark Twain
From: pmcmanus@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul W McManus CS91)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BILLS GOT HUMPED
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:15:01 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: pmcmanus@simpson-03

It was the best game of football i have ever seen.

The best offense in the game was overrun by the new dolphins defense

( bout time we had one i think )

And miami actually had a damn fine running game. No matter how good Marino/Duper

/Clayton and new boy Jackson are you need that balanced offense and christ we had
it lastnight

DOLPHINS FOR THE SUPERBOWL ( at last )




PAUL 'GUITARMAN' McMANUS
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BUMMER!!! (Cowboys vs Eagles)
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:59:53 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


	Congrat's Philly. You made the big plays when they were needed
and proved to be the better team this night.
	By the by I haven't read a single post concerning the game yet
so go ahead and whine-whine-whine or woof-woof-woof  all you want. As long
as both sides remember what goes around comes around.
	See ya in Nov Philly.

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