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From: TUK067@maccvm.corp.mot.com (David Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Cricket Commentary Faux Pas
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:03:57 CST

gnb@baby.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) writes:

>The all-time classic, many years ago.

>John Arlott was commentating and a batsman was struck "in the groin"
>on the fifth ball of the over.  After a few minutes of rolling on the
>ground, he gets up and is ready to play.

>Arlott: And <name> is ready to face <bowler> now, one ball
>remaining...

In the interest of historical accuracy: this actually happened in the TV
programme "Superstars", in which one of the events was batting against a
bowling-machine, in 1980.  The unfortunate batsman was David Jenkins, the
athlete; the commentator was David Vine.  I remember it well; I spent the
next five minutes rolling helplessly round the living-room floor.

Reminds me of another cracker during an England/WI Test some years ago,
commentator (I think) Fred Trueman:

         "And now the bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey..."

David A. Wheeler, Motorola Ltd., Camberley, Surrey, England
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From: adw@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Andrew Walker)
Subject: WANTED: Ashes Tour Itinerary 1993
Followup-To: adw@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Australia, Information Technology Development
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:54:36 GMT

Does anyone have the Tour Itinerary details for Australia's tour of England
later this year? -  Even just Test Match dates would be appreciated, so I can 
get my UK travel dates right.  Alternatively, can anyone point to a magazine 
or other publication (available in Australia) which has the dates?

Post, or email to the address below.

Thanks in anticipation!

Andrew Walker
adw@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au


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From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Cricket Commentary Faux Pas
 <GNB.93Jan11100039@baby.bby.com.au> <C0o3KG.HB6@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU>

In article <C0o3KG.HB6@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU>, ggardner@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
(Grant David Gardner (Vacation Student - Summer 92)) says:
>
>Another classic, but I don't know who to attribute it to,
>
>"The batsman's Holding, the bowler's Willie"
>
another classic-
cowdrey's in the slips, legs wide apart, waiting for a tickle.

Stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

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From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: More trouble for England's tour
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:08:21 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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		More trouble for England's tour

  According to reports in misc.news.southasia, there have been rather serious
riots in Bombay and Ahmedabad in the last few days. This is likely to result
in some changes in the tour programme, particularly as the first ODI is
scheduled at Ahmedabad next week.



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From: axeman@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Samir Chopra)
Subject: Re: Pakistan/NZ Test Aftermath - NZ Coverage (Long)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:06:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.105827.15991@actrix.gen.nz> conrad@actrix.gen.nz (Conrad Bullock) writes:
>   "It's always surprised me about those two that they have stacks of
>stamina, they must be eating good breakfasts," Rutherford said.
>

I think its time that Wasim and Waqar got to be on the cover of the
Wheaties box. Wasim, Waqar and Wheaties..perfect together.

Incidentally, are the two W's Punjabis? If they are, then maybe
I can derive some ethnic pride from their success while I wait
for India to produce a fast bowler...

Samir
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Impressions on India
Organization: Wits University
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 18:40:31 RSA

The Friendship Tour is over. Thank Goodness !
 
India lost the one days 5-2 and the Test Series 1-0.
 
There has been many excuses given as to why India did so bad on this tour:
They dont play day-night games back home; The pitches are too fast here in
SA as in Australia, they were not used to it; The Batsmen were off form;
etc. etc. etc. etc.
 
My 2 cents worth on all of this:
At the end of the day, a team is judged by its ACTIONS not its WORDS.
SA produced the ACTION and did NOT need WORDS. If India just admitted
to themselves that they are below par at International level and realised
that they need to muscle up their batting, fielding and bowling it would
make them much bigger human beings. This can be achieved by muscling up
their Domestic game first, that is start at the ROOT of your problem and
work up to the stems and eventually the leaves. They came to this country
with reputations that were HOME GROWN and that is where it will remain,
at HOME. I dont think SA thinks much of them !
 
Also, the players need to MATURE up. Many of them were seen partying
till late hours of the morning. What did they think they were coming
to: A Woodstock reunion concert? Also, most of them are lager louts:
you'll never become good sportsmen that way !
 
I'm surprised England gave them a tour ! They should try and beat
Sri Lanka first, get their act together, before thinking of touring
here in SA again.
 
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From: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:33:23 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU

> From what I recall Wasim and Danny had similar speeds, both ranging from 120 -
> 130 kph. Waqar tended to be about 5 kph faster than these two, generally
> about 130-135 kph; the 139 kph ball was the only one over 135 that I can recall.
> All the other seam bowlers were averaging around 120, although I can't
> remember any figures for Owens; he's supposed to be pretty quick.
> 

	these speeds were recorded in onedays, or testmatches ?

	135 kmph = 84 mph. Jeff Thomson was recorded 99, and 91 mph
before 75, and 79 worldcups reespectively. in 1975 there were atleast
5-6 bowlers bowling faster than 90 mph ( including Lillee, Holding, Roberts ).

	So if Waqar bowls at 135 - 140 kmph that is quite slow for one
of the fastest bowlers in the world today -- any comments ?
-- 
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From: barats@microsoft.com (Barat Shah)
Subject: Re: Kapil Dev : The Haryana Hurricane.
Date: 05 Jan 93 18:43:46 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1hqimhINN4s@crcnis1.unl.edu> sjasthi@cse.unl.edu (srinivas jasthi) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Shastri, Prabhakar, Manjerkar, Azharuddin, Raman are given enough chances but
          ^^^^^^^^^
>time and again they failed. It is now the time they are rested. Let a new and 
>more professional team be chosen.
>
>Srinivas Jasthi.

  Prabhakar- ? Surely this is a mistake- let me assure you on the current tour
  he looked like a much better strike bowler than Kapil or Srinath. He also
  did rather well with the bat!

  Bharat
  
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From: diwadkva@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (DIWADKVA)
Subject: Speed Rankings from the 70s
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:29:00 GMT

In article <93008.164904U10987@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U10987@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>I think that contest was held around 78 (or 79). Each bowler was allowed to bow
>l one over. They also tested the accuracy of bowlers in that contest. Jeff Thom
>son was the fastest and also the most accurate bowler in that competition. Seco
>nd was Mike Holding ( his average speed of the over was less than Imran, but hi
>s one ball was faster than any of Imran's six balls). The rest of the ranking w
>as something like
>3. Imran Khan
>4. Colin Croft
>5. Andy Roberts
>6. Dennis Lillee
>7. Wayne Daniel
>8. ?
>9. Len Pascoe
>10. ?
>11. Richard Hadlee
>12. Sarfaraz Nawaz
> 
>I think there were two bowlers from England in No.8 and No. 10 positions. Proba
>bly Bob Willis was one of them.
>Mike.

	- I dunno if the rankings are veridical but add Garth le Roux and
	Bob Willis to the list.  The only reason I remember the former
	is because I had never heard of him upto that point in time and 
	have never heard anything about him since.

							- Vaibhav.
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From: murali@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:21:30 GMT
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron

Keywords: 

could some "intelligent" earthling tell me how "fast" is a fast ball when pitched in major   leagues (baseball). Would like some comparisons and possible "scientific" explanations.
cotah
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From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Margin pak needs?
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:52:05 GMT


Just curious that, how huge should be pakistan victories(provided they win;-) )
in the remaining matches to get a place in finals.  Anyone who has
woirked out the arithmatic???

-- 

S.R.Raza.
raza@surya.engrg.uwo.ca

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From: mjoshi@cs.umr.edu (Mahesh Joshi)
Subject: The rules
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:30:00 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: mjoshi@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu

The Official rules on how your team should  bat during a test match !!
 
        by

        India  and Pakistan.


This document is the property of the Indian and Pakistan cricket
teams. Any other team is allowed to implement this at thier own
risk.

The Rules:

1) In an innings, atleast 3  of the top 5 batsmen must fail. The
batting line-up is responsible for taking the team into the jaws
of defeat. They have to make the match exciting every time.

2)In an innings, only one batsman is allowed a decent score.(50 +).

3) If more than 2 batsmen violate Rule 2, the team has to score
more than 350.

4) A batsman is permitted to  have a  decent score(50+) only
once in 7-8 innings.

5) If the decent score is above 100, the hundred should rank
amongst the top 5 hundreds for the current year.

6) Atleast 3 of the top 5 batsmen must have single digit scores.

7) Atmost 6 batsmen out of 11 are permitted to score more than
the "extras" in a given innings.

8) Only one batsman should be allowed to play a supporting role
to the batsman who is scoring a decent score(50 +).

9) A batting collapse has to occur during an innings.

10) a batting collapse must occur in the following order:

        a) before 50 runs have been scored.
        b) if there has been an excellent opening
        partnership(50+), a batting collapse should follow this
        partnership.
        c) After a decent score has been built up.
 	d) If the top 5 batsmen have taken the team to a score
        of 350+ in an innings, the last 5 batsmen should not
        score more than 50 runs combined.

11) All batsmen are supposed to keep the fielding side alert
esp. the close-in fielders.

12) All batsmen are encouraged to snick atleast one ball in
between the slip fielders.

13) A rash shot is the best way of getting out.

14) A rash shot is a must for a well settled batsman who looks
headed for a big score.

15) Atleast one catch taken by the opposition should rank in the
top 8  catches for that series in a given test match.

16) There has to be atleast 1 run out in an innings.

17) Batsmen who cant bowl have a higher priority in running
thier partner out.

18) A suicidal run has to be attempted for a
run-out.

19) If the above teams are playing each other, only one team
shall follow the rules in a test match.


..... Additions are welcome.



Ignore all typos please !

Mahesh Joshi 

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From: cpalmer@dingo.rtp.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: There is still hope for Test cricket!
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:04:01 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro MA

In article <s1172217.726263992@giaeb> s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:
>Exactly!  I've just spent 5 days at the Melbourne test where Aus beat the
>Windies and found it througherly enthralling, the battles and battles within
>the battles and the overall game was great to be in attendence thereof. 

Due to a shutdown here between Christmas and New Year I missed all the
postings regarding the Melbourne Test. Would some kind soul please
post or mail to me the scorecard for that Test.
thanks
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From: news@sco.com (News admin)
Subject: Re: Gavaskar's opening partners
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 00:01:21 GMT


I think Lalchand Rajput opened in the series against Pakistan
in the mid-80s.
From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Gooch Cocktail Party........
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:29:37 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <19519.2b4c4799@ecs.umass.edu> vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Vicky [vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu] writes: >
>>Well.  There were 15 batsmen accompanied Gooch to face the opening bowler
>>of the world.  Thery ar:
>>
>>01. Mike Brearley                        02. Geoff Boycott
>>03. Chris Tavare                         04. Geoff Cook
>>05. Tim Robinson                         06. Mark Benson
>>07. Martyn Moxon                         08. Bill Athey
>>09. Chris Broad                          10. Tim Curtis
>>11. John Stephenson                      12. Wayne Larkins
>>13. Mike Atherton                        14. Hugh Morris
>>15. Alec Stewart
>>
>
>Muhunthan Sivapragasam tells me that Gower opened with Gooch in the
>second innings in their last Ashes series in Australia.  In the 2nd
>innings England needed 200 runs to win.  In the first innings, Mark
>Atherton and David Gower scored centuries.
>
>The above were the regular openers. Okay, then who else opened with 
>Goochie at least once in test matches?
>

	Yes, I think the original list of 15 refers to those *selected* as
 opening partners, but that in addition Gooch has also opened the innings
 with Gower (as stated above), and with Wilf Slack.

	To clear up some confusion seen in other postings, this list refers
 to opening partners in Test matches, not ODIs.

 Regards, Steve.
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From: mohan@theta.mel.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mohan Krishnamoorthy)
Subject: Re: Indian team -- What now?
Organization: CSIRO, Div. of Mathematics & Statistics, Melbourne, Vic., AUSTRALI
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:12:17 GMT

In article <93011.095209SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff 
<SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> however, two of the main non-cricketing problems of indian cricket have to be:

> 1. the dreaded "quota" system.

Again, here is where an idea of a national coach will help a great deal.
The way the (first class) game is played in Australia and in England is
quite dependent on the views of the national coach.  In games such as
football (ie soccer for those of you who need to be reminded!), the
office of the national coach (Taylor in England) is much more of a
regular and respected establishment.  The feelings of Taylor or Robson,
his predecessor greatly affected the manner in which the game is/was
played in England.

I am sure any serious minded coach of the Indian team, if appointed,
would have a similar role.  For example, if Gavaskar were appointed to
that position, he would definitely get rid of the existing zonal system
and put in place a three or four-tier national league.  He has already
written at length about this.  Apart from improving the competition
itself, it would be effective in getting rid of the quota system.

> 2. non-test cricketers in the selection committee.

Sure.  The game should be run by people involved in the game.  Not
by those who want to use it as a vehicle for furthering their myopic
self-interests.  Just too many politicians have got in on the act.

> Spaceman Spiff

/Mohan
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From: kaushik@dvorak.amd.com (Kaushik Chhotani)
Subject: Azhar remains captain for the Indian Team
Keywords: No change in captaincy!!! 
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:52:59 GMT

Hi Nettors:

Just got this news on India-L and here it is:

Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:31:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Gopalan Krishnamurthi <GKRISHNAMURTHI@worldbank.org>
Subject: Cricket - Azharuddin stays on

Source : Reuter

    New Delhi, Jan 11 - Mohammad Azharuddin is to stay
as India's Cricket Captain despite his dismal record, but has
been named only for the start of the impending series against
England.
    India's selectors on Monday appointed Azharuddin for the
first two One-day Internationals and the first Test against
England, making clear his job was on the line.
    Azharuddin was retained despite having won only one of the
17 tests in which he captained India. He led the side who lost
both the Test and limited overs series in South Africa.



Looks like Vishy and co. stuck by Azhar for the time being. Was
it Gavaskar's influence (as Murali Iyer mentioned) or is it that
Kapil does not want to be captain? 

Well since the captain remains, will the team remain the same too?
That would be disastrous and I am sure most of us will hope that
atleast 2-3 new faces show up in this series barring Siddhu and 
Maninder.

All I wish is that they find a good opening pair for the team 
which will stick on for the next 2-3 years. Wishful thinking
isn't it??

What do you guys think should the team be for the ODIs and Tests?

Kaushik

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Subject: NZ v Pak: 39 runs to get, 3 wkts left
From: awil2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Andrew James        Willmott       )
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:12:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

Just as NZ were starting to get it together, Rutherford has been caught at
second slip. Things are looking gloomy for NZers. The advantage is swinging
back and forth like a flag in a high wind. I really hope we don't end up with
another Coney/Chatfield situation.

Andrew the nervous.
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From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Pak win by 33 runs - the swing demons do it again
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 03:22:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.015016.11181@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <kre.726504078@mundamutti.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan5.214537.21806@walter.bellcore.com>,
>(and that despite being the biggest draw in world cricket).
>
>So proposed by England, and supported by the spineless and sniveling
>administrations of  Australia, NZ, India and Sri Lanka, we got the notorious 
>one bouncer rule.  The over rate was chucked among much fanfare here.  It seems
>though that everybody apart from the WI are being fined under it.  I'd like to
>see the Englishmen wilt in Perth or Bridgetown trying to maintain 15 overs/hr. 
>Or better yet they can send some spinners to be hit out of the park for easy
>runs-:)
>

I seem to remember, that while the english were screaming about the west india
over rate, there own rate was even slower.

sahibzada rafay khan
From: axeman@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Samir Chopra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Waqar's Hundered Wkts...
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:08:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <93008.093440SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <6md=m4+@engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
>says:
>>
>>
>>I think either Colin Croft or Ian Botham has that record. The number of Tests s
>>11 or 13 or something.
>>
>that's a ridiculous number.
>botham needed 19 tests to get his 100 wickets (and 21 for his 1000 runs).
>croft needed about the same number of tests.
>i'll check wisden but i don't think that it lists that stat.

In addition, Andy Roberts took 20 tests to get to his 100. I think if
anyone had taken 100 wickets in 11 or 13 tests, we all would have
his name committed to memory like we do Bradman's.

Samir
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From: praval@frx157.intel.com (praval)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Ind-SA 3rd test scorecard request
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:56:31 GMT
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Organization: IMD Design Engr., INTeL Corporation, Folsom, CA



Please email me the result/scorecard of the 3rd test match between
India and SA.  I missed it while I was on vacation.

Thanks in advance!

-Parag Raval
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From: g9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan)
Subject: Re: NZ v Pak: Pakistan win by 33 runs
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 06:04:56 GMT


thanks for the great coverage.

wondering if u could post the speed check on other bowlers eg wasim, danny
etc

and thanks to uday as well ( hope he reads this)

							tipu
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From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Cricket Commentary Faux Pas
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:38:45 GMT

In article <63359@mimsy.umd.edu> raman@umiacs.umd.edu (Rajeev Raman) writes:

In the series just finished between NZ&Pakistan one of the TV commentators 
was referring to a shot just played by the pakistani batsman Wasim Akram:

<innocuous TV coverage>
"..I don't think..."
<TV shows Wasim checking his box>
"..he'll find anything down there..."

almost perfect!

Dale Ogilvie