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From: roxy@beaune.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Roland Buresund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish VAT when going abroad?
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: r.buresund@frec.bull.fr
Organization: Groupe Bull

In article <1992Aug25.110849.8031@kth.se>, matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (mats dahlgren) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.202940.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, singer@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
> >Does any Swede know whether the V.A.T. is removed if a Swede purchases items
> >when about to go abroad (outside of the Nordic trade zone)? When last in
> >Stockholm, I purchased some really nice Rorstrand dishes from N-Koh (you Swedes
> >pronounce it N-Kay) but too few, and so I would like to ask a friend to get the
> >rest when he travels to Canada. Alternatively, I wonder if anybody knows if
> >that store does a mail order business?-- 
> 
> 
> A Swede or a person with permanent address in Sweden cannot get any 
> VAT refund when going abroad.  What your friend can do to save some 
> money is to have NK ship the goods to your Canadian address, and 
> that way get some money back.  You may also want to notice that the 
> VAT refund does not refund the entire VAT.  The VAT on goods like 
> dishes is 20 percent, and your refund is about 14 or 15 percent.
> 
> mats d.

A small correction, you may be a Swede (like myself) and still get a
refund as long you can prove that you have your residance outside of
Sweden.

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From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway claiming NY (too late)
Keywords: Santa
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:35:46 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <17sobvINN4f3@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
><<Do you really WANT New York???? Think of what having it would do to 
><<Norway's crime rate.
>
><Oops - I forgot.
>
><I withdraw my claim immediately. (It's not too late, is it ?)
>
>I'm afraid it *IS* too late. The tugboats are half-way across
>the Atlantic already (did I mention you are also inheriting our
>$4 Trillion national debt? Along with assorted New York bankers :-)
>
>Would you be willing to take Washington D.C. also?

	L.A. and Los Vegas are up for grabs too :)

Carl
From: tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway claiming NY (too late)
Date: 31 Aug 1992 09:22:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Santa

<<Do you really WANT New York???? Think of what having it would do to 
<<Norway's crime rate.

<Oops - I forgot.

<I withdraw my claim immediately. (It's not too late, is it ?)

I'm afraid it *IS* too late. The tugboats are half-way across
the Atlantic already (did I mention you are also inheriting our
$4 Trillion national debt? Along with assorted New York bankers :-)

Would you be willing to take Washington D.C. also?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: pekka@tmt.tele.fi (Pekka Ahonen)
Subject: Re: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus
Organization: PTT Finland, Telematics
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:43:02 GMT

In article <TAIPALE.92Aug27141856@node_3f685.kiloapo.tele.nokia.fi> taipale@kiloapo.tele.nokia.fi (Pekka J Taipale) writes:
>
>Santa may need no runway, but he does need a special permit from the
>aviation administration, however.  Korvatunturi is right beside
>Russian border, and any flight activity there will be noted by the
>Soviet/Russian air defence and cause problems.
>
>Or maybe Santa is using Stealth Reindeer nowadays? ;-)
>

Rudolf the Red knows reindeer ;-)

(No flames, this wasn't quoted straight from "America's Funniest
People", because in that show the joke went something like this:

A Russian man called Rudolf looked out of the window and said to his
wife: "Soon it will be raining".
His wife said: "How can you say like that? The sun is shining and
there are no clouds in sight".
Rudolf answered: "Rudolf the Red knows rain dear".

So there...)

Pekka

BTW It doesn't matter if Danes claims that Santa lives in Greenland
since Finnish Santa gets over 5 million letters a year, they have lots
of catching up to do.
From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Employment (Was: Immigrants and employment)
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:04:24 GMT
Organization: University of Joensuu

jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
>I don't mean we'll have some central comittee planning that during the
>next 10 years our heroic workers shall make 10000 kg of nails each -
>I'm sure people would protest if the result was that we could only get
>veeeeery large (20 cm ?) nails....
>But I'm sure we could find some reasonable way to find out what people
>need.

Like free market? (-:


>|> The machinery is the property of the owner.
>Yes, I know. But why ?

Because the owner payed them.


(JAF Asked who makes the profits and I answered: :People who buy the
  goods the corporation sells."
>OK, the goods just fall down from heaven.... :-)

Hey, you asked who make the *profits*, not who make the goods. (-:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Norway claiming NY (Was: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus)
Keywords: Santa
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:41:17 GMT

In article <sooz.715047792@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley) writes:
|> 
|>   Do you really WANT New York???? Think of what having it would do to Norway's
|> crime rate.
|> 
|> Sooz
|> sooz@iastate.edu
|> 
--


Oops - I forgot.

I withdraw my claim immediately. (It's not too late, is it ?)

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From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Tyr,Odin,Thor,Frey?
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<BJORN.B.LARSEN.92Aug26135131@engels.delab.sintef.no>
	<1992Aug27.041609.16091@u.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:50:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.041609.16091@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.
washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

   >Why? Everyone knows the world started with Fire and Ice and will end in
   >Fire when the army of the slain marches.


                 Some say the world will end in fire,
                 some say in ice.
                 From what I've tasted of desire,
                 I hold with those who favor fire,
                 but if I had to perish twice
                 I think I know that for destruction ice
                 is also great
                 and would suffice.


                               Robert Frost
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Moving to Finland
Date: 25 Aug 92 02:08:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Aug21.114900.11878@cs.joensuu.fi>, hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi
(H. Vaisanen) wrote:
>> If your application is turned down, no problem: Finnish law allows you
> to ask for an asylum second time => you can live in Finland for
> another 18 months and get welfare all the time. Then you can apply for
> a third time...

And don't forget the nice crowded corner of an isolated cell you will
spend the next 3*18 months. Happy vacation!

Cheers,
Kent


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Bill..."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: s126@brems.ii.uib.no (Jarle Bareksten)
Subject: DX-kode (foto)
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: s126@brems.ii.uib.no 
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:10:08 GMT


Hei!

Kan nokon hjlpe meg med lesestoff om DX-koding?

### jarle, email: s126@brems.ii.uib.no
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From: hendrik@cca.vu.nl (Hendrik te Winkel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,eunet.misc
Subject: Info wanted: fysiotherapy job in Norway?
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:21:00 GMT
Organization: VU Amsterdam - dienst CCA/Cio

Hello netters,

I have a question regarding work in Norway.
My girlfriend is about to finish her study of fysiotherapy
here in Amsterdam, and from time to time we already
look for jobs for her. (She'll end in April '93)

Since the chances of getting a job in this field in
the Netherlands are rather poor, and while changes
make life interesting, we wouldn't mind to move to
another country to get a job there.
Well, in the dutch fysiotherapists magazine of this
month are quite a lot of job-adds for jobs in Norway
(for jobs in Germany too) and I was wondering if 
anyone from you could give us some info on those jobs?

We have been in Norway before, and find it a very
beautiful country, and we wouldn't mind to work
there at all.

Here are some questions that came to my mind while
reading the adds:
- 'Gemeente-fysiotherapist' (Kommun-fysiotherapist?)
	What does that mean? An allround fysiotherapist-job
	in a small hospital?
- Salary Nkr 182,000.- (approx HFl 60,000.-)
	Is that good? How much do you have left after taxes?
	What can one expect when you want to rent a house
	or buy a car? Will it be enough for one person?
	And for two persons?
- Are those jobs (in general) for a longer period/permanent?
	What are the changes of a permanent working permit?
	For eruopeans (EC-members), that is.
- Does anyone of you have experience or friends that did
	these kind of things before?

And finally: What are the changes for me to find a job?
	I am a computer scientist, working for the
	Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. Do I have to
	have a job before I come to Norway or may I
	try to find one while I am there?

And any info you have is welcome....
Thanks for helping us out.

Greetings, Hendrik
Vrije Universiteit - dienst CCA - Ci/o
	
-- 
Hendrik te Winkel hendrik@cca.vu.nl
	You think your life is so empty, but it's really so full
	of the things you never thought mattered.
	- John Cale
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman)
Subject: Re: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:33:00 GMT

I'm sorry. There is no Santa Claus. He's a fake. I learned the truth when I
was six 5 years old.
--
Sven Wallman, S:t Larsg. 5, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
"I think, therefore I'm right."-Hugo Rune
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: Re: Santa Poll - the Hollywood Solution! 
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:01:05 GMT

qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:

>Where do you believe Santa Claus lives:

>	a) North Pole
>	b) Greenland
>	c) Finland
>	d) Some other place, please specify.
>	e) Unspecified

The Answer is d) AND e)

SANTA...lives in the Hearts of Children, Everywhere!!


...bmm-bmp, bmp-Bmp, Bmm-Bmp - a.l.i.e.n.....4! - Bmm-BMP, BMM-BMP!, AAAAAA!!!!!


- mjjittlov  8(
From: sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:07:20 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe

In article <1992Aug25.131441.3338@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>:   "Legend has it that he lives in a castle of ice in Greenland, close to
>: the North Pole.  He still does.  But now we know that Santa's Post
>: Office is to be found in Nuuk, Greenland," said a first-day cover.
>
> The correct address for Santa Claus is:
>
> 	Santa Claus  [or St. Nick, Father Christmas, ... in any language]
> 	Rovaniemi 99999
> 	Finland

Folks, you are all screwed up. Both Nuuk and Rovaniemi are to the south
of the Arctic Circle. Why on earth would Julenissen move that far south?


/ Svein-Ivar
/ -a whale a day,
/  keeps the doctor away
Actually, I served some canadian visitors reindeer for dinner yesterday....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: Re: NameDay (Was: translation wanted)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:16:44 GMT

on the point of namedays the latino countries have them at least....
i dont know about other places though.
A fun thing i get to experience is celebrating my nameday on a guys name day :)
since kim is not technically a girls name in finland or sweden :)
*grin*
-kimberli roan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: Re: Santa Poll - informal (Re: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:05:18 GMT

armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.063829.695@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:
>|> 
>|> Where does Santa Claus live according to the tradition you were brought
>|> up with?

>Santa Claus lived in Antalya, at the Mediterranean coast of Turkiye.
>We actually should convince everyone that he belongs to Turkiye.

No-no-NO!  Turkey belongs to _Santa_!    *<:)

Matter-of-fact, turkey belongs _in_ Santa!!
With cranberry sauce.  And mashed potatoes and gravy.  And eggnog.

That's what keeps him fat and jolly, after all.


Mike Jittlov - an expert, etc
Hollyweird, USA * jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu

"                                 " - Marcel Marceau 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Immigrants and employment (Was: Re: nationalism...)
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:20:35 GMT

In article <12120005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, smyers@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (steven myers) writes:

a lot of interesting stuff about immigrants in Sweden. From his
description it seems pretty equal to the situation in Norway, so very
much seems well known to me.

But one thing is not very much known, I think: Why the immigrants do
not get integrated in the society. Someone (who ?) keep constantly
telling us that it's because they don't want to - they want to live
among people from their home-land.

I think, if I moved to another country (and especially if I was forced
to), I'd want to be with other people from Norway - talk about older
days back home, and so on. But I'd want to fit in into the society, get
new friends where I lived, and so on.

I think most immigrants feel like I - I don't think we are that
different. But someone (who ?) keep constantly telling us we are.

|> 
|> So, to all 
|> Swedes out there, you have no idea how you will make an utlaanning's day
|> by just saying,"heysan."     
|> 
|> 			Ha det sa bra!
|> 			Steve Myers (former Swensk).
|> 
--


I agree - to all norwegians out here - you (we) have no idea how you
(we) will make an "utlendings" day by just saying "hei". And that goes
for the immigrants in Norway, too. :-)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Unnecessary polluation
Keywords: Tho Most Polluating Event of Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:02:10 GMT


The Most Polluating Event of Finland started  yesterday in my home town,
The Rally of Thousands Lakes. Adult men and some ladies are driving
cars around polluating forests and making terrble noise for four days.
This is most the polluating unnecessary event of Finland.
What about your country? Which is in your country?
Jarmo Ryyti

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus
Organization: VTT
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:03:45 GMT

In article <TAIPALE.92Aug27141856@node_3f685.kiloapo.tele.nokia.fi> taipale@kiloapo.tele.nokia.fi (Pekka J Taipale) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.083633.2288@ousrvr.oulu.fi> dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:
>>If you read the article, you would have learned that this is just his 
>>post office box.  I explained that his residence in Korvatunturi was
>>remote from any roads (and he doesn't need a runway for "flying
>>reindeer").
>
>Santa may need no runway, but he does need a special permit from the
>aviation administration, however.  Korvatunturi is right beside
>Russian border, and any flight activity there will be noted by the
>Soviet/Russian air defence and cause problems.

>Or maybe Santa is using Stealth Reindeer nowadays? ;-)

Santa flys at treetop level or low to the ground where there are no
trees.  Thus he cannot be detected by Russian radar.  From NORAD reports
he obviously flies higher when travelling from Europe to North America.

-- 
doug foxvog     
dfo@tko.vtt.fi   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: More about meat
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:41:02 GMT

jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
: In article <1992Sep3.204526.17667@tdb.uu.se>, t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman) writes:
: |> 
: |> Thanks for posting such clever and witty articles. Work on it and you may
: |> end up being as admired as the famous Mutlu.
: |> --
: |> Sven Wallman, S:t Larsg. 5, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
: --
: 
: 
: Who is Mutlu ?
: 
:Mutlu is a famous turkish or armenian fanatic who has recently taken an other
name on the net, because so many has put him on a kill-file.Mutlu can be 
idnentified from that his articles allways end with a prhase:" Kill all
the turks whereever you find them." NO other person drive such a hate
campaign  on a net towards the others than he. He does not reveal
his real nationality. He makes more harm for the turks than any others
together has ever made.

It is totally wrong to compare Jan Arne with Mutlu. Mutlu has for instance
no
sence of humour.
Jarmo 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Norwegians shot Swedish bear
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 09:22:39 GMT

In article <etxmow.715246262@garboc34>, etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
|> 
|> NOrwegian hunters have killed a bear that crossed the border from
|> Sweden, despite swedish pleas not to kill her. The bear was part
|> of a Swedish research project and was equipped with a radio
|> transmitter. According to Swedish press, the Norwegians used the
|> radio transmitter to track her down (a hunting method which is
|> forbidden in Sweden). They also couldn't kill her properly, first
|> they shot her in the foot leaving her wounded for a long period of
|> time, before they killed her.
|> 
|> There are approximately 800-900 wild bears in Sweden. Swedish
|> wildlife authorities are trying to increase the numbers by not
|> issuing more than 30 licenses to hunt bears this year. Normally
|> ca. 50 bears are shot each year in Sweden.
|> 
|> 
|> Mats Winberg
--


(Actually, the bear was not a "she", it was a "he")

The bear was part of a coproject between Norway and Sweden, and the
methods used (using the radio transmitter), the fact that they hunted
an animal being part of a research project, and the fact that they
hunted it AT ALL, is being discussed quite a lot in Norway.

In Norway bear hunting is forbidden. Norway try, at least, to keep the
small population of bear, wolf, and other endangered animals. It looks
like maybe none of the bears and wolves in Norway are norwegians - they
are scandinavians - that is, they wander across the boundaries towards
Sweden, Finland and Russia all the time.

Hunting of bear, wolf and others, is only allowed when there is strong
evidence the animals keep hunting animals like sheep, horses or cows,
and even then it's very restricted.

When it was known to the authorities that the bear had a radio
transmitter, the hunt was stopped - but it was too late, the bear had
already been shot in one leg, and was seriously wounded. The hunters
were allowed to track the bear, to end its sufferings.

A sad story, but I don't think we have seen the end of it yet.


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