From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Videotaping rapes
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:44:43 GMT

In article <Bv647z.Hyy.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.015336.18924@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>#In article <Bv5r7z.1o4.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>[alt.folklore.urban removed from newsgroups - I don't post to
>groups that I don't read]
This is inane. I DO read it, and it IS relevant, so I'm just going to
keep crossposting it back.

>#No, I was referring to Dworkin and McKinnon, actually.
>I'm glad that you refrained from mentioning their names,
>then.
I didn't expect you to take it personally. My apologies for the
vagueness.

>#I also suspect that people have filmed rapes. That is somewhat
>#different from committing a rape so that you can film it.
>Indeed it is.  Do you think that people involved in the crime
>have made videotapes?  
Yep. But that's different TOO.

>#There is quite a bit of evidence that such films exist.
>#For instance, I can give you a reference to a court case
>#in which a man was prosecuted for having them. NY v. Ferber.
>#It should be in any decent Con. Law. book, since it's quite
>#important. I know its in O'Brien's Civil Rights and Civil
>#Liberties. Can you produce any similar references for
>#these films?
>
>You miss the point - you asked for evidence to prove
>your assertion that no such films exist.  I was trying to
>make the point I spelled out above.
No, I did NOT assert that no such films existed. I pointed
out that I'd never actually heard of one, and that there
were strong parallels to the Snuff Film UL. Since rather
extensive investigation has failed to turn up even one example
of a snuff film, I'm skeptical of stories that sound like
snuff film mutants, especially when they don't have any obvious
data backing them up.

>#The reference wasn't specific enough to check out. Give me a real
>#case cite and I WILL check it out. 
>
>Obviously you and I have different definitions for "relatively
>easy" when it applies to research.
1) I don't have easy access to the sort of resources that would
enable me to do such a search. I'm no longer affiliated with or even
in the same state as Yale.
2) Since you're the one claiming that such things exist, you should
be the one looking for evidence.

>You're right, Eric, I haven't.  I don't have the ability
>to do research instantaneously.  I first saw the article
>this afternoon, you know.
But then why do you BELIEVE it? That's part of my point. I don't
believe it BECAUSE I haven't seen any evidence.

-Ekr

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