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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Vitamin D from sunshine
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:09:00 GMT

Rosemary Waigh writes:

>I am a vegan and have read that exposure to sunshine is
>sufficient to provide vitamin D.  A few questions:

>1.  Am I correct to assume that a sunblock would prevent
>    the formation of vitamin D?

You're right since such sunscreens also blocks the
ultraviolet light.  With less ultraviolet light then of
course there be less photosynthesis of endogenous vitamin D3.
Presumably, not all of the ultraviolet light is blocked by
these lotions, in which case you may simply have to expose
more of yourself in the sun, or stay in the sun longer, than
the estimated 15 minutes of sunlight on one's exposed face.


>2.  I have extremely fair skin, with white patches (vitiligo), 
>   which means I never tan, but burn very easily.  How does this
>   influence my skin's ability to produce vitamin D?

You don't need to tan for your skin to biosynthesis vitamin
D3 (cholecalciferol) :-)

There are, of course, individual differences in their ability
to photosynthesize endogenous vitamin D.  For instance,
the stratum corneum (little or no photo-production of D3
occurs at this outer layer of skin in humans) of black human
skin is thicker that of white human skin and thereby allows
only about 40% of the ultraviolet light to reach below as
what occurs in white human skin.  Hence, your fair skin
should be an advantage in this respect.  :-)

It is in the deeper Malpighian layer of the skin where the
greatest concentration of 7-dehydrocholesterol (which when
irradiated becomes previtamin D3 that is converted later into
D3 or cholecalciferol) is to be found

If you are not getting enough sunlight then another 
possibility is to install some full spectrum lights in 
some rooms of your home, like the bathroom.

                                           ted

P.S.  For more technical details see:

Gerald Coombs "THE VITAMINS: FUNDAMENTAL ASPECTS IN 
     NUTRITION AND HEALTH"  New York: Academic Pr., 1992. 

Anthony Norman's text,  "VITAMIN D: THE CALCIUM HOMEOSTATIC
     STEROID HORMONE".  New York: Academic Pr., 1979).
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:42:54 GMT

I think today is the day for me to be misinterpreting people's
words.  On the LAST group I was on, people were joking about the
sharks they killed as a prank in high school. I still haven't figured
out what was so funny.
 
Now, I'm reading homophobic, rude comments about cats (and in reading
between the lines, people) and maybe this is a joke too?

One confused Clover...
Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: VEGAN:  long haired gourmet goes nuts for NYE
From: stvnolan@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 21:11:07 PST
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Summary: Soy Puddings

la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.) writes:

> Ummm... has anyone made chocolate pudding here with soy milk?
> I tried to and it is in the fridge cooling, but I'm afraid to
> taste it becauise my boyfriend stuck his finger into it
> and made a VERY controlled face and said he'd try it again
> when it was cool.  He refused to answer my, "But is something
> WRONG with it" question and now I'm afraid to taste it!
 
Hi!  Not that I'm an expert on puddings, but..  There's no reason you 
shouldn't be able to make a pudding with soymilk.  However, you should be 
aware that if you scald soymilk, you get a nasty film congealing on top of 
it ("yuba", which can actually be used in a number of ways) which will _not_ 
enhance the texture of your dish :-).  Also, different soymilks vary hugely 
in their degree of "beaniness".  If your puddings are coming out rather more 
soy-flavoured than you'd like, try a different brand of soymilk.  Or, 
better, experiment with nut milks.  Excellent for puddings are almond and 
cashew milks.  For almonds, blend 1 cup almonds with 3 cups water until 
liquified.  Strain and return nut pulp to blender with 1 additional cup of 
water.  Blend again and strain.  For cashews, just put 1 cup nuts to 4 cups 
water and blend like crazy.  You don't need to strain.  Hint: Blanching the 
almonds first gives better results.
 
If you'd like a great pudding recipe that uses nutmilks, drop a note back.  
There's one I make regularly and it's superb.  Good luck!
 
 -Steve.

           stvnolan@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Steve Nolan)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 13:36:25 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


No cat with any self respect would accept a vegetarian diet. Without
meat, a cat would soon become an impotent, gay, wimp, unable to
stand tall among his neighborhood peers who hunt birds, mice, and
squirrels for their meals.
From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Milly's Restaurant, San Rafael, California, USA
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:08:07 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-XXMessage-ID: <A75B47893A030456@ethelred.svl.cdc.com>
X-XXDate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:06:01 GMT

Perhaps it is part of my upbringing that makes me reluctant to discuss
the pleasures of things material, certainly the male of the species is
accused often enough of having an overactive inclinition to STUFF :-) and
I am no exception. But sometimes there occurs an event that one wants to
broadcast from the hills, so I am going to do just that.

As a vegan vegetarian I have a list of restaurants that is extremely
skinny. And it is a great day when I find a good addition. On Saturday,
Donata, myself and a couple of friends had dinner at Milly's in San
Rafael, California. It was without exception one of the most incredible
meals I have ever eaten. The atmosphere is wonderful, the service
impeccable, the food outstanding and the menu unbelievable. The choices
were wide ranging and surprising, it is rare to find a selection that
covers as much ground in any restaurant. The menu was mostly vegan but
with some ovo-lacto. The "special of the day" menu, a separate list, was
completely vegan.

I have travelled throughout a good chunk of the known world, and some of
the lesser known (private aircraft through Central America - boy, was
that ever a story :-), and this latter is significant as some of the best
food I have eaten can be found in such places. Of all the restaurants I
have visited I have to rate Milly's in the top - say - three. It shares
places I think with some Indian restaurants in England and perhaps a
place or two in southern Italy.

Either way, if you find yourself in the California Bay Area, consider
giving Milly's a visit. I suspect that reservations are required (we just
made them), expect to pay $20-$30 a head for a full meal with wine. San
Raphael is a dozen or so miles north of San Francisco on route 101.

A Happy Jingle Bell Season to you all.

Lawrence
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: Vitamin D from sunshine
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 04:39:54 GMT

How much do Full Spectrum lights cost, Ted? And where can I buy
them? I have an apartment in the basement with only one tiny
window - it's HORRIBLE!

Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:58:45 GMT

In article <50717@shamash.cdc.com> ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare) writes:

Question about artificial fur deleted.

>I offer my apologies to anyone finding this posting out of place here.

I don't find it out of place. These issues are tightly linked to those
of vegetarianism, and we often talk about issues which don't have any
vegetarian food in them.

Abhay
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vitamin D from sunshine
Date: 3 Jan 93 06:48:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan3.064859.10918
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan3.043954.1262@sarah.albany.edu> la1002@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>How much do Full Spectrum lights cost, Ted? And where can I buy
>them? I have an apartment in the basement with only one tiny
>window - it's HORRIBLE!

Full spectrum lights do not produce significant amounts of UV; they do not
cause sunburn (thankfully), and they're used by indoor gardeners to improve
their plants--I think Ted is wrong here.  Unless you're a plant, I don't
think this will address your problem.

Go out and get some fresh air once in a while once it gets warmer
(like in late March.)  You won't get any vitamin D from sunshine
between Nov and March, roughly, if you live in Albany.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Date: 1 Jan 1993 18:48:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan01.152640.27258@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.225624.4647@zooid.guild.org> rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.133625.17519@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>>>
>>>No cat with any self respect would accept a vegetarian diet. Without
>>>meat, a cat would soon become an impotent, gay, wimp, unable to
>>>stand tall among his neighborhood peers who hunt birds, mice, and
>>>squirrels for their meals. 
>>>
>>>
>>Not to start a flamefest, but are you suggesting that gay people are impotent
>>wimps? :-(
>>
>
>Are you suggesting that cats are people?
>

Cats are not people. 

Cats are superior to people.  

All you have to do to persuade yourself of the truth of this is 
to look at one smiling to herself at the folly she observes all 
around her.  


--Barbara 

Oh, happy new year to one and all!  May this be the year your dearest 
dreams come true.  Providing these dreams are not of universal  
conflagration or something like that...
From: m0g7506@zeus.tamu.edu (Mukul Goel)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Any spicy (non Indian) veg food in NYC
Date: 2 Jan 1993 02:20 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi Veg food lovers,

This is a veg food enthusiast from Texas. I have tried all kinds of 
places in this state in search of some veg food that tastes good. 
I am not talking about the Indian Restaurants since they are an 
exception (also my mother taught me the exquisite art of Indian cookery 
and I cook excellent North Indian food at home).

Most of the typical mexican and oriental cuisine that is available in 
United States is designed to suit the american tounge which starts 
quivering on contact with any spice. My friends have threatened to 
kill me before coming to eat at my place if I was going to use too 
many spices!

I am not saying that adding a lot of spices is the only way to make 
the food tasty but boy if used properly and well experimented with 
they can add a third dimension to your eating life. It takes a little 
time before your your gastrointestinal linings starts accepting them.
It's just like drinking, first few kicks are always bad.

Anyway I've heard New York city has all kinds of eating places on 
earth. I'll be there for a week for conference from 12 Jan. Please 
suggest some NON INDIAN restaurants for some hot'n spicy food. I am 
willing to buy you a lunch if you want to join me plus some exchange 
of ideas!

Netters please I want some response to this mail telling me that I am 
wrong.

Mukul Goel
Texas A & M University
Department of Civil Engineering
From: ruman@meroot.eng.uci.edu (ruman)
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Organization: Master Time Killers INc.
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:31:57 GMT

In article with message-id<BzoI3u.HCD@encore.com>,  jpenovic@encore.com posts:
=>In article <1992Dec22.075845.6334@abo.fi>, abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay
=>Bulsari VT) writes:
=>> In article <50717@shamash.cdc.com> ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare) writes:
=>> 
=>> Question about artificial fur deleted.
=>> 
=>> >I offer my apologies to anyone finding this posting out of place here.
=>> 
=>> I don't find it out of place. These issues are tightly linked to those
=>> of vegetarianism, and we often talk about issues which don't have any
=>> vegetarian food in them.
=>> 
=>> Abhay
=>> 
=>
=>  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the name of this
=>  newsgroup rec.FOOD.veg? 
=>
=>  jan

actually its rec.food.VEG. u see there are a lot of food
groups, but only one veg group.

 however its not rec.control
            rec.censor
            alt.net.appropriateness.police
            alt.flame

inspite of that  material more appropriate for those groups
gets posted here. so lets tolerate all those poor misguided
souls who post animal rights stuff in rec.FOOD.veg under
the impression that vegetarianism and animal rights are
somehow connected


ruman

ps: to be rid of all these irritating posts which don't
have FOOD in them, why don't u  take the trouble and
get a new veg culture newsgroup passed. 


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: joris@thor.albany.edu (Pierre Joris)
Subject: nutritional information needed
Originator: joris@thor.albany.edu
Keywords: seed / flour / nutrition
 
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:41:37 GMT

	We are looking for nutritional information (per serving) for the
following food categories:

	1) FLOURS (& POWDERS): artichoke, potato, soy, tofu, tapioca, 
eggwhite, sour cream, whey, buttermilk, beer, carrot, tomato, dried bell
peppers, sun-dried tomatoes & spinach flakes.

	2)SEEDS FOR SPROUTING: Alfalfa, buckwheat, clover, chia, kale, green
peas, radish, organic radish, sunflower, bean mix, zesty mix.

The info needs to cover serving size & the following: calories,
carbohydrates, protein, fat, % cal fat, cholesterol, sodium, fiber & calcium.

	We would be most grateful if anyone has all or part of this
information or could tell us where we may find it.

Pierre Joris & Nicole Peyrafitte
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:09:20 GMT


Nancy Lebovitz writes:

>How do cats seem to feel about vegetarian cat food? Are they about as
>finicky about it as they are about meat-based cat food? Do they show
>any strong preference for one or the other?

Cats, like people, can and do develop habitual fixations for
certain cat foods, even to the point of only eating one
specific kind of catfood of a particular brand.  With persistent
patience, however, cats will learn to broaden their tastes preferences 
or switch over to a different catfood.  For example, my cat
liked the new vegetarian food when freshly prepared, but on
the following day, she was less enthusiastic (one makes up
about a can of food each time using the Vegecat supplement).
Now, that is no longer a problem.  Her tastes have changed somewhat,
so that, for instance, her favourite snacking food is nutritional
yeast while formerly it was cheese.
.
Now, I'm not certain if she would prefer eating a dead mouse or
her vegetarian cat food, if both were placed side by side.  I have,
however, observed that when she does manage to catch a mouse in our
back field, she doesn't eat it.  Of course, that may be due to
the fact that she is probably not hungry.

						ted

P.S.  if you ever decide to become owned by a cat, don't
  get your cat from a pet store but from the local S.P.C.A.
   :-)   :-)


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi
Subject: Re: VEGAN:  Then don't include honey.
Organization: Abo Akademi International University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:27:52 GMT

In article <8uJswB2w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> stvnolan@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes:
>la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.) writes:
>
>> Firstly, I want to thank you for the recipe. even though I think you
>> posted it to keep me from eating a non-vegetarian Jello - except Jello BRAND
>> pudding IS vegetarian.  Only their famous Gelatine product is made
>> with the gelatine. 
> 
>Oops!  *grin*  After discovering how gelatin is made, I never again looked 
>at _anything_ bearing the name "Jello".  My mistake.
> 
>> Is there anything I can substitute for the nut milk? I don't have a
>> working blender and don't know where I can BUY nut milk. 
>> What is "grain coffee substitute"? I THINK I might know, but I'm not
>> sure...
>> And why is it 2 - 3 Tablespoons of agar?  How do I know how much to
>> use? I have never used Agar before, you see...
> 
>Hmm.  I suppose you could try using a thick soymilk, and substitute honey 
>for the rice syrup..  I've never considered it before.  If you do, try to 

Sorry to interrupt. Honey is not vegetarian, and certainly not vegan.

Abhay
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: 24 Dec 92 17:24:31 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.212807.28306@eng.umd.edu> George B. Clark,
>georgec@eng.umd.edu writes:
>>Animal-rights activists should be participating at talk.politics.animals,
>>but a few rebels prefer rec.food.veg, instead.

     AR discussions were going on in r.f.v. long before there was a
t.p.a.  (Were there enough abbreviations in that sentance?) While far
from unanimous, long-time consenus is that discussions related to the
vegetarian life-style belong in r.f.v. 

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
                     Keep your values off my family.
Weiner's Law of Libraries:
      There are no answers, only cross references.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: VEGAN:  long haired gourmet goes nuts for NYE
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 04:34:45 GMT

I'm sorry - I'm just really REALLY tired.  The Subject line
says Vegan on it.  I've got to get some rest...
 
What causes people to sleep a lot and not get any rest?
I'm about to start taking vitamins, and will try to open
my *one* window more to let in fresh air, but other than
that, I can't think...
 
My brain seems to be asleep all the time, and the rest
of me wants to follow, but I slept from 2AM to 3 or 4PM
and then from 5PM to 8PM, so I
oops... new keyboard.
I''m all slept out! But I'm zonked! No function brain cells
in my neck of the woods.
 
Ummm... has anyone made chocolate pudding here with soy milk?
I tried to and it is in the fridge cooling, but I'm afraid to
taste it becauise my boyfriend stuck his finger into it
and made a VERY controlled face and said he'd try it again
when it was cool.  He refused to answer my, "But is something
WRONG with it" question and now I'm afraid to taste it!
I know, I'm such a chicken... Oops! Is that a "bad" thing
to say aroung here?

Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Veggie Burgers
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 04:38:40 GMT

I'd like to say that if there was a fast food store in the mall where
I have worked for the past 2 months, and they offered a vegetarian
"burger", I'd have gone there almost every day.
 
I had a set of VERY limited choices, and prefer HOT food in the winter.
It is very difficult to bring somehting to work that will stay hot
unless it is in a thermos.  I prefer "solid" food to soups and stews
for lunch, probably from being brought up in the "sandwich generation",

C
Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Subject: milk substitutes for Jill and others...
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:54:49 GMT

I've just read Jill Johnson's posting about her attempt to avoid milk because
of allergy and asthma problems.

(This time I'll not quote directly from Jill's posting, because for some
reason it seems to repeat itself about a zillion times and I can't get
through it all.  I know, Jill, gremlins in the ol' system!  Happens to all of
us once in a while.   Heck, today only one of my shift keys is working... ;)

Anyway, Jill asked about milk substitutes (like soy milk) and where to find
them.

MY FAVOURITE MILK SUBSTITUTES ARE:

1) Rice Dream - original lite 1% fat non dairy beverage, made from organic
brown rice.  Sounds weird, but it's MUCH better than soy milk.  Rather
pricey, but very good on breakfast cereal.  Even my dairy-addicted friends
like this stuff.

2) Almond flavoured soy milk.


I buy both of these products at my local food co-op or the health food
stores. I think you'd probably have better luck if you searched for a similar
place in your town instead of sticking to the supermarkets.

If you can't find either product locally, ask some store manager to
special-order the Rice Dream for you.  It comes in those Tetra-packs and has
a shelf life of a year or more, so you can order a box of the stuff and not
have it go bad on you.  Rice Dream is made by Imagine Foods - let me know if
you need the address.

BTW, I put the Rice Dream and the almond soy milk on my breakfast cereal.
(One or the other, not both at once! ;)  For baking, I usually use regular
soy milk, which (IMHO) is too gross to drink.

Let us know how you do in your attempts to avoid milk, Jill!

...Christine
(former dairy-milk addict, now vegan)
--

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Vancouver, B.C, CANADA         *   Grows tubby without exercise."
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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Medicine & the Mall
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:05:57 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec17.201511.5926@imagen.com> avi@hawk.imagen.com (avi zelmanov) writes:
>
>   I NEVER said that plants being conscious are a reason to eat meat !
>   What I did say and still say, is that USING THE NON-HARMING ARGUMENT 
>   AS A MOTIVATION TO BE VEGETARIAN IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FACTS AND LOGIC !!
>

Avi, are you aware of the usenet convention that filling your postings
with many words in upper case is a code that means `I am a loud, offensive
idiot, and nothing I say should be taken seriously'?

>
>   Plants are just as much ALIVE as are animals, and studies suggest that they 
>   are also just as conscious as animals, and both detect and react to pain !!!
>

No they don't, Avi. These experiments (basically, hooking plants up to
polygraphs are shouting "Bad Plant!" at them and seeing whether the needle
jumps) have been found to be unrepeatable.

However, studies have shown that you are the only person on the face
of the planet who takes "The Secret Life of Plants" seriously.