HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 9027882@sunvax.sun.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:17:46 +0200
Reply-To: ferr@cs.sun.ac.za <Johan Ferreira>
Organization: University of Stellenbosch

8934959@sunvax.sun.ac.za <James Micklem> skryf:
> The newsgroup is soc.culture.AFRICAN not South African. Afrikaans isn't even
> the language spoken by the majority of South Africans.

N^e! *gryns*  En van wanneer het jy 'n      Is-that-so!  And since when did you
statistiekus geword?  Ek is nie een nie,    become a statitian.  I am not one, 
maar ek het al (in meer as een publikasie)  but I have read (in more than one
gelees dat meer mense in RSA Afrikaans      publication) that more people in
kan *verstaan* as enige ander taal.  En     RSA can *understand* Afrikaans than
soos ek verstaan, is die enigste plek in    any other language.  And as I
RSA waar Engels oorweegend is, is dit in    understand it, is the only place
die Kaapse Skiereiland.                     where more ppl speak English is the
                                            Cape Penisial (sp?).

> By posting in Afrikaans, you immediately shut out most of the readers, so your
> comment saying that Afrikaans speakers have an excuse to post here so that they
> can show others that you are pleasant,interesting people is invalid.

James!, vir iemand wat by 'n Afrikaanse universiteit swot, is jy verskriklik
patrioties - NIE!  Daar is *vou-my-vingers* ander Afrikaansprekendes buite
die RSA.  Hierdie is forum vir hulle ook.  Jy maak die fout in jou argument,
deur aan te neem dat 'n mens _altyd_ die grootste _moontlike_ gehoor wil h^e.
Hierdie is 'n soc.* groep, dus behoort dit nie die geval te wees nie.  Eerder,
moet 'n baie spesiale behoefte bevredig te word - 'n kulterele een. 

> Who are you going to show? Other Afrikaans speakers - no one else.
> 
> If your argument is applied the group will be filled with dozens of African
> languages that no one but the writers and a select few will understand.

Liewe genade!  Wag net 'n oomblik,          @%! #*&!  Wait just a moment,
hier kom die "global village"               here comes the "global village"
brigade.                                    brigade.

> Afikaans speakers should post by all means, but do so in a language that we can
> all understand and thus you can get your point accross - otherwise you'll just
> be wasting your time.

Watter taal sal dit wees, myheer Micklem?   What language will that be,
Spaans dan, aangesien meer mense in         mister Michlem?  Spanish then,
die w^ereld dit praat.                      it's the most widely spoken
                                            language. 

Mega teuf! - Wayne's World (frans)

Johan Ferreira
(ferr@cs.sun.ac.za)
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: There it is Re: black posters from SA
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:37:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov15.194214.17201@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> brendt@dip2.ee.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg) writes:
>You really are being a melodramatic little twit. "Launched a man hunt" -
>that really is amusing. I notice you didn't mention that you'd used pseudonyms
>in your initial posting - I guess you just forgot?  
>______________________________________
>Brendt Wohlberg                       |

You were too busy huntimg for them to have been reading the postings on the net.And thats your problem. Ask your fellow friends and they will tell ok.


Makala
From: imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:29:55 GMT
Reply-To: imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng)
Organization: Swarthmore College

ferr@cs.sun.ac.za <Johan Ferreira> writes:

> I'm not a regular reader of this group, but it doesn't take much to 
> figure out that Paul Mweene is a very prominent target in this group.
> I've also notice an article unmasking Paul as a fake, which would
> explain his insincerity.
out of curiosity, i fingered Paul to confirm that news that he is a "fake"
and, unless my inquiry went to some out of the way site, a Paul Mweene does
exists and the account that he is posting from is in his name.

i figure somebody made a serious mistake and they need to post a retraction
of their ealier statement thhat paul is a fake.


> Johan Ferreira
> ferr@cs.sun.ac.za

phoka
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: re: South African Contacts
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:44:58 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

Paul McIntosh aka Paul M Mweene writes:
> 
> 
> I have received much email cautioning me to go easy. Some one pointed out that
> even though I took precautions to hide the names of my friends at UCT (all at
> their instigation) some one has pointed out that boers might persecute any one
> who might have the same name. I wish to reiterate that the names given were suggested by my contacts. If they happen to be coincide with those of anyone in
> South Africa, this is just an unintended coincindence.
> 
> 
> makala

You know Paul, a funny thing happened yesterday. I received e-mail from
somebody I know at Pittsburgh (correspondence about academic work). Anyway, as
an after-thought (since you are never foremost in my mind) I enquired about
you. Now, this fellow doesn't ever read s.c.a., and so he had understandably
never heard of you. However, he did consent to undertake a little P.I. work
for me. The amazing result of this was that your e-mail number isn't that of a
black person, but of a WHITE undergraduate student by the name of Paul
McIntosh!!!

Thus I can only conclude that you are some pimply white computer science
student who for a laugh is prepared to unleash his adolescent sense of humour
upon the Netnews community, without any feelings for the black Americans whose
whose names you are dragging through the mud. Do you really gain so much
pleasure out of being silly and enraging news readers with faked postings? 
Don't you have any work to do?

Hardy
From: afv@uk.ac.cam.eng (Frans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Phoka's note
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:39:44 GMT
Reply-To: afv@uk.ac.cam.eng
Organization: cam.eng

In article VS8SBPQJ@cc.swarthmore.edu, imofoke1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Ivan Mofokeng) writes:


> but as an african i am tired of seeing
>white people constantly attacking my culture without once acknowledging
>the good things in it.

May I take the liberty to rephrase your statement so that it suits me.

"As an African I feel that no one, irrespctive of race, creed or colour
should attack our culture without the decency to repect the values
contained in it"  That way at least the non-black africans like myself
will support your statement. 

>  they invited themselves to africa and, through years of
> colonization, striped us of all that we had. 

So these white africans whose roots go back to 16??? have all invited
themselves to be in Africa <now>.  I am sure that there are whites in
Africa who are as much part of Africa as their black brothers &
sisters.

> our culture is all that we have left to keep us together.   

Hear Hear.  Now there is some truth. We have every right to be proud of it.

Frans
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov22.210450.29048@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> hardy@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Hardy Hulley) writes:
>Afrikaans-speaker to be ashamed of his or her language, and I can see no reason
>why Afrikaans-speakers shouldn't use their language on the net. "Empathising
>with the oppressed majority" and "helping the healing process" is just
>patronizing drivel.
>Hardy      
>

The arrogance of certain people is amazing. To start with, this dialect, Afrikaans is the reason why 1000 children were massacared by boers in 1976 (WHEN THEY 
REFUSED TO LEARN IT). I have always suspected that these people will never 
change. There are only 3 million boers in Africa and yet they whine and clamour
for the prominence fit 300 million. This apartehid alnguage should be kept off
the net otherwise create your own news group, "rec.afrikaans.boers"

makala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: Kalla Botha on Ferdi Barnard 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 09:00:21 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson) writes:
>After featuring a soft-spoken Ferdi Barnard claiming (probably
>correctly) that he is being used as a scapegoat by authorities with
>all kinds of things to hide, 702 this morning featured a character analysis 
>by Kalla Botha, who claimed that his friend Ferdi is a caring, sensitive
>individual. "Yes," said Kalla, "I could say that that is the real
>Ferdi."

It's terribly important to know that the State's enemies are killed
in a caring, sensitive fashion! :-}

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heidi de Wet                                 >>>  FREE  TSAFENDAS  <<<
heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za                       and give him back his job
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Is racism "for whites only"?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:55:54 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

I see the following posted:

In article <cscoging.23.721905569@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za> cscoging@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Chris Scogings) writes:
>Paul M Mweene writes (after some provocation):
>
>>What are you doin in Africa? if you come form europe.
>
>I don't come from Europe.  I happen to have a white skin, but I am an 
>African.  I was born in Africa.  My parents were born in Africa.  My grand
>parents were born in Africa. etc.  True, as far as we can work out, somebody
>came from Europe, France to be exact, round about 1760.
>
>Ok, so I come from Europe because my family moved to Africa in 1760.  This 
>means at least half of all so-called Americans are also Europeans or Asians.
>Do you call your American colleagues Europeans or Asians?
>
>As much as you may hate to admit it, you and I have far more in common than
>black Americans who like to call themselves African, but know nothing about 
>Africa.  We are Africans.  They are not.
E.T.C
1. We who? What, little critters in your pockeks? Well it is sort of true given the orign of the HUE-man being, but still: Given majority rule, I do humbly believe that you et. al. might just possibly be found back in Europe. Where you are from.
Please, my sister, get real.
2. I'm black, and there is only one place I could possibly be from, and believe me, I know how my famaly moved house.
Think on these things. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:19:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov20.174243.24319@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:



>Ronald, has it occurred to you that during the vast majority of
>American history DC was majority white and that the few blacks there
>were not allowed to vote and that despite this no one sugggested that
>DC should become a state?


Care to provide a citation for this claim?  As I understand it, DC has
had a majority black population since before the civil war.

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.235853.22764@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.192210.26130@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>$
>$I don't know about anyone else, but I've decided to stop responding to
>$Mr. Stromer. It's about as useful as talking to a log.  I have a
>$feeling that if we all stop responding to him, he might not be such a
>$bother.
>
>And it ain't even the first time he's been here.  He was spoutin that
>shit when he used to work for Sun, till they was like, "I ain't
>_havin_ it."   He's really funny sometimes, the way he makes shit
>sound, he acts like a frarority boy or a really good robot.
>


Yeah, well. I figured that responding to him just gives him one more
opportunity to spout his garbage all over the net. Most people will
eventually walk away from a one-sided conversation. Let's hope Mr.
Stromer has at least that much in common with human beings.

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: sasazc@maggot.unx.sas.com (Al Cohen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: A Coffee-House Conversation with an Imaginary Nadja
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:35:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.BxtI3q.7yM
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasazc@maggot.unx.sas.com


In article <16NOV199210301623@mivax.mc.duke.edu>, seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.223446.1558@wolves.uucp>, news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes...
>
>>      Guess again Stevie boy!  The City of Kinnesaw Georgia (that's
>>the USA southern state :-)  has a statue on the books that requires all
>>households in the corporate limits to own a weapon!  (There are some
>>exemptions for various reasons of conscience and such.)
>
>There are an amazing number of antiquated and ridiculous laws still on the
>books. 


Yaeh, but this law was enacted in the mid-80's.  Last I heard, no rise in 
accidental shootings and a respectably low crime rate. 


-- 
Al Cohen                sasazc@unx.sas.com      (919)677-8000 x7117
SAS Institute Inc.      SAS Campus Drive        Cary, NC 27513

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
 the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
   --  Amendment II, Bill of Rights
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: fsars@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Organization: University of Alaska
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:04:02 GMT

In article <By12J8.IME@access.digex.com>, wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown) writes:
> In article <BxzC0J.GzF@unix.amherst.edu> ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
>>How about just incorporating DC into back into Maryland and thus solving all
>>of the problems.  DC gets its senators and congressmen and nobody has to worry
>>about giving NY City and LA their own seats in the senate.
>>-Danny Sokol
>>Amherst College
>>
> 
>    For one, we don't WANT to become a part of Maryland.  By the way, we
> came from land donated by THREE states, although for the life of me I
> can't figure what West Virgina donated.  D.C. has developed a political
> and social structure completely different from that of the burbs, as we
> call them.  
            [Rest Deleted]

Sounds like you want your cake and eat it too.  So Congress has abused 
D.C.?  Sure, but over the decades it's poured a lot of money into that 
city.  People like to complain about the homeless in D.C., but neglect 
to say that D.C. gets lots of federal money.  I don't know why 
changing jurisdictions (which by the way does not cause the transfer 
of property among property owners, as someone has implied) would all 
of a sudden make D.C. white controlled.  New York City has stated they 
want to be a state, separate from New York state.  If we gave into the 
demands of D.C., then all sorts of other cities would want their two 
Senate seats in the U.S. Senate, which is really the crux of this 
argument.  I'd agree to two alternatives:

1. A constitutional amendment giving D.C. representation in the House 
of Represenatives, but not the Senate.
          or
2. Return most of D.C. to Virginia, excepting the Federal Conclave.

Or maybe a hybrid of the two.  (E.g. let D.C. residents be a part of 
Virginia's election process for federal elected officials.)

Blacks (and other minorities) are already getting districts redrawn so
that they get representation in governing bodies in the United States. 
The only exception to this rule is the U.S. Senate.  Even the upper 
bodies of State Legislatures are having to comply with this.

Ultimately though, I say that if the residents of D.C. want
representation in Congress, then move.  It can't be that hard for 
most.  Geographically, D.C. is less than the 10 miles square that the
Constitution allows for our Nation's Captital.  I get the impression
that with or without representation, there are better places to live. 
(I've never been there.)  There is no "Berlin Wall" around D.C.  I
don't consider the residents there oppressed.  If they were, they 
would have left in droves, just like the people in Berlin tried to. 
=== Al 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11318 misc.legal:20183
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:58:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Nov19.210300.25889@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
|> first, d.c. didn't come from a state, it was carved out of
|> maryland and virginia.

OK, it came from *two* states.

|> second, the idea of blindly returning these sections to these states
|> is not practical.
|> for one thing, these states no longer "own" the property so the idea of
|> "returning"
|> the land to those states is about as "ridiculous" as returning the land on
|> which the
|> u.s. exists back to the natives from whom it was stolen.  are you ready to
|> propose such an idea?  somehow i've got to kind of doubt it.

The question is sovereignty, not land ownership.

The entire Virginia part of DC was returned to Virginia some time
after the Civil War.   The land in question is now Arlington County
and the City of Alexandria.  

|> even if this were done it would put properties of national office under the
|> jurisdiction of states - no way anyone's going to go along on that one.

The Pentagon and the CIA, among many other Federal agencies, are
located in Virginia.  In fact, the Pentagon is in the part of Virginia
that used to be part of DC.   Many other Federal agencies are located
in nearby parts of Maryland.

|> furthermore, the non-federal section of washington d.c. [which proponents want
|> to turn into a state] exists as a political entity.  your suggestion would tear
|> apart the political structure under which d.c. residents live with no regard to
|> their wishes [since i doubt many d.c. residents would favor your suggestion]. 

The "non-federal section of washington d.c." could remain a unitary political
entity--namely, a city--under the state of Maryland.

|> the fact that congress has the right to rule washington d.c. without regard to the
|> wishes of the voters [and without providing them voting representation in that
|> body] is why there is a move to d.c. statehood in the first place.  why should
|> the u.s., the so-called "leader of the democratic world", be the only nation in
|> the world where residents in the national capital have no representation in the
|> national government.  if washington d.c. were 70% white this sure wouldn't be
|> the case...

Agreed.  I'm just pointing out that making DC a state is not the
only way to correct this error.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown)
Subject: D.C. from TWO states...
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:05:03 GMT

...and you would think a military brat would know his geography better. :}

I have NO IDEA where I got the idea West Virginia donated land to D.C...  

C'est la vie!

Peace

Bill "wrong way" Brown
From: bm508@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Branimir Dokic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Omar: a recap of events
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:12:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bm508@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Branimir Dokic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, spam+@CMU.EDU (Stephen P. Marting) says:

>Gee, thanks.  Just when we thought Ted Fr*nk might be leaving soon.

Please please PLEASE don't say you're comparing me to Ted Frank.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
>I'd just like you (and the readers here) to keep in mind that what one
>fraternity does does not represent the entire Greek system, not even at

I messed up and didn't explain my point well.  I was only interested
in one particular frat here and after getting to know them well
I stopped hanging around them.  I was not referring to ALL frats 
here.  

Sorry for the misstatement.  I've already explained this several
times thru e-mail.  I didn't think I was going to have to post this
here--I didn't want to bother everyone by rehashing the OMAR issue.

Thanks for your time!
B.
-- 
Branimir Dokic
Radio-Telivizija-Beograd
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 02:12:34 CST
From: <U43006@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African-American or African

Because they are Africans misplaced in Amerikkka.  Why should they name them-
selves after a country that does not love them, let alone respect them and
a country that gives lem little rights as a human being let alone a citizen.

Kimberlee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.020915.13341@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <DuPsTB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>>They're legal in Georgia now, and I thought Georgis was about the most        
>>redneck state in the country.  The Supreme Court even struck down a
>>law in some state recently where a homosexual couple was arrested for
>>being homosexual.  I think this will set a nationwise precedent.  And
>>we know how CONSERVATIVE today's Supreme Court is.  Not to worry.

In Bauer vs. Hardwick (about 1982 or '83) the Supreme Court upheld Georgia's
anti-sodomy law.  Mr. Hardwick was arrested in his bedroom (by a policeman who
had no warrant to enter) and charged with violating Georgia's sodomy law (along
with his partner).  The case was taken to the U.S. Supreme Court by the State
of Georgia and the supreme court ruled that even though the policeman had
invaded Mr. Hardwick's privacy, there were certain things that were so vile
and therefore prohibited by law (and the church) that privacy was not an
issue.

Although Sodomy laws are rarely enforced, they make sodomy (and therefore
homosexual activity) a felony.  Thus "alleged" homosexual individuals are
precluded (legally) from being licensed as teachers, lawyers, accountants,
real estate agents, hair dressers (or whatever else the State determines
are licensed occupations) since they are felons (in fact if not in law) and
thus should not be permitted to enter these "hallowed" occupations.