HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kuntal@algol.cs.umbc.edu (survivor)
Subject: Re: queries directed to jains ... (from a jain) : answers follow
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:32:17 GMT

In article <1542@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> av2@ukc.ac.uk (A.Varshneya) writes:
>In article <17gm8mINNad8@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> sunjain@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (mera bharat mahan) writes:

>> Agreed, Plants have life but they have the capability to regenerate.
>>
>> If you want to eat some fruits from a tree, the tree WON'T DIE.
>>
>> But if you want to eat the leg of a Chicken, it won't regenerate another
>> leg in due course of time!!
>>
>
>I do not agree with the previous point at all.
>It does not hold for vegetables like potato, carrot, raddish, cabbage,
>cauliflower, ......, so would vegetarians not eat them ?

Strict observance of jainism would prohibit you from eating all of these.

>Frankly, I do not know what to say about the point in discussion.  Has
>it to do with pain ?  Then is it ok to kill a person after giving him
>anesthesia ?  With complexity of life form ? Then where do we draw the
>line ? and so on ...

I personally am of the view that because the regimen requirements of jainism 
are too strict and in todays living, adhering to those is not possible/
difficult/uncomfortable, people tend to take convenient amounts of liberty
with the relegious requirements.

The code (of diet, behaviour etc.) needs to adapt to life of present, for 
people to willingly observe it but the people in control are too close minded.
The flip side is, that, continous adaption to change, tends to reduce the 
amount of discipline that any code (in this case, relegious) might have wanted
to enforce.

>Atul

kuntal


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar)
Subject: Re: Indian Recipes.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:29:42 GMT

In article <susanc.715441698@keckiris> susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:
>
>Cooking is a very creative process. One could write a complete
>opera about it: the opening aria when the appetite is just 
>trembling on the edge of excitement, the compelling quest for 
>the perfect recipe, the romance of the aromatic elaichi, the 
>sensory assault of fresh dhania, the tension of the missing 
>tomato, the agony of oversalting, the diverging roads of wild 
>experimentation and dependable imitation, and finally, the 
>grand harmonious finale of aroma, appearance, and flavour.
>

Hmmm...strange ! Never looked at cooking in this light; although
the "agony of oversalting" lends a sense of deja-vu to the above paean...

>One could write a Hindi film script just as well --- the ingredients
>are much the same. 

Sure, but see to it that you leave out the taste ;-)

>
>In this spirit, I proffer the following recipe, shamelessly stolen
>from the venerable lady whose name appears at the top. It's an
>inducement to creative variation.
>
 [Mridula's Ammamma's Masala Kozhambu recipe maimed ...]
>
>Meat or veg - 1 lb. Or six hard-boiled or scrambled eggs.
>Onion - 1 in thin slices.
>Onion - 1 in thick slices.
 
 D-uh, now which one is it ?

Susan's recipe sent me scurrying to the local cafetaria. All I could
lay my hands on were a soggy burger and some faded fries. Hey Susan,
know any good schools in your town ?

Awaiting the appad recipe,
**sridhar**
From: IO01144@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Travelling to Calcutta
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:19:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Hi!
Could someone please send me names of travel agents where I can get
a decent and reasonable deal? I will be flying around December 11th
for a month. If any of you have recently travelled to Calcutta, I
would appreciate if you could suggest the name of the travel agent.
Thanx,
Joy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: chetans@agora.rain.com
Subject: Matrimonial: Attractive Indian Female Seeks Male
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:34:34 GMT

POSTING FOR A FRIEND.

SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY, PLEASE.

This is an invitation from compatible single Indian men for an
attractive, well-educated, 21-year old Gujerati Jain Indian female. 
An overview is provided below.  More information will be provided 
when there is further interest from all parties involved.

SHE:
Height:  	5'3"
Education:	Bachelor's in Pharmacy (a 4-year degree course).
		Excellent academic standing.
		Fluent in English (written and spoken).
Hobbies:	Sports, swimming, reading, outdoors, cooking.   

Well-educated, stable, Gujerati, with a good sense of humor. 

Our friend is currently based in Bombay.  While she is open to 
other locations, her preference is to remain in Bombay.

For further information, you may respond via email, or contact via
telephone (Sonal Shah in Oregon or Mr. V.N. Sanghavi in Bombay).  

Sonal Shah, 503-690-9175

	OR

Mr. V.N.Sanghavi--if you are visiting Bombay, you may contact him
at 4946214.
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian Embassy - My Good Experiences
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:05:36 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

Must be a Gujju there.

Bye
Adil
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:29499 soc.culture.tamil:1659
From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: SAMSKRITHAM or SANSKRIT
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University


	I,m not sure about sansrit - samaskritham. Willing to punt a place - its the british.

	Try this for size.

	Thiruvallikeni -	Triplicane
	Kochi          -     	cochin
	Thiruvanandapuram - 	Trivandrum
	kovanputhur	-	coimbatore
	Mumbai		-	bombay	
	oththa(single)kalmandapam - ootacamund, ooty (now uthagamandam, udagai)
	palakadu        -	Palghat
	nilagiri	-	 nilgiris
	moondru-aru (three rivers, not three-six)) - munnar
	Thiruchirapalli  -	Trichy
	dhilli		-	delhi
		.
		.
		.
		.

	vetti kelvi, muttal ???		Is it so important???

	shiv.
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: I will close you by my ices --[ The tiger Cascade ]
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.oecFfqi00awDI6Jn4Y
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

What the?

????
??
?
Is it something I should get into?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Testing + looking for  old friends (J.Rambhaskar & P.Srinivas)
From: hemmadst@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Srikant Gurudas Hemmady)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:54:49 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Just testing & also looking for old friends - Pocchiraju Srinivas
(from REC Warangal) & J.Rambhaskar (from D.Y.Patil Engg College,Kolhapur)

Thanks

- Srikant Hemmady
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ******SOC.CULTURE.GUJARAT(GUJJU) *********************
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:58:40 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong


A lot of new cultural groups are created on the network.

Gujaratis are one of the biggest community out side India.

Do Gujaratis  need to create a new cultural group??????



Bye
Adil
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:29439 soc.culture.tamil:1634 alt.culture.kerala:193
From: krishnar@mussorgsky.cs.unc.edu (Rajarama Krishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: reservation issue - a survey
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:02:38 GMT
Followup-To: poster

There was a heated discussion in soc.culture.tamil about the reservation
issue. I thought taking a survey of the general feeling on this issue will
be interesting. Please answer the following questions. Send the answers to
me by mail.

1. About you,

(It is not meant to be personal. It is just for survey purposes. Dont answer
parts that you consider offensive.)

a. Are you forward or backward or sc/st? 

b. Are you male or female?

c. What decile would you your family lie in (approx ofcourse) by the family
   income? ie. Top 10%, Top 20% etc.

d. Are you from a metropolitan city, small city, small town or village?

e. Are you handicapped?

2. Which state are you from?

3. Have you ever suffered DIRECTLY because of reservation?

4. Have you ever DIRECTLY benefited by the reservation?

5. Which of these forms of reservation do you support. Answer Yes, No or
Somewhat.

	a. Caste based
	b. Economy based
	c. Sex based
	d. Geography based (ie. Statewise quotas in central govts. Also
				one can think of rural quota etc. )
	e. Reservation for handicapped.
	f. Other forms. Please specify.


Please take the time and send me your responses by Email. I assure you that
the contents of your mail will be kept confidential. I will post the
statistics from the responses soon.

Thank you.

Rajaraman

Email ID : krishnar@cs.unc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Delhi Court Halts Bofors Probe!
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:52:28 GMT

In article <92246.171101DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <17176@ulysses.att.com>, bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
>>apnews reports:
>>           NEW DELHI, India (AP) - The Delhi High Court today halted all
>>investigations into alleged corruption in a $1.4 billion Swedish
>>           Chief Justice G.C. Mittal and Justice Satpal also annulled a
>>government request to Switzerland and Sweden, seeking their
>
>Delhi High Court is notoriously repeating itself. About a year back,
>just a day before his retirement, justice MC Chagla (?) also similarly
>quashed all proceedings against Win Chaddha. And the reason he gave that
>the Government and CBI had no legal stand in pursuing this matter.
>Anyway, next day, supreme court reversed his decision and the inquiry
>was allowed to proceed further. Now that Swiss government is about to
>
>disgusted..         Deepak


What I am most curious about is : When was the SWISS court's ruling schedled for ?

I feel the above delhi ruling was timed very well.
My guess is, it was just a few hours before the last
arguments in the case (in the swiss courts) were being held.  Everything
is a matter of timing.  Clearly, the masterminds behind this second-cover-up
(they bought the delhi-high court judges while win chadha, played along)
are more careful, since the first fiasco.  Lets see whether the swiss also
permanently close the case, given that it has dragged on for too long
and that the executive and judiciary are seen to be at loggerheads in india.

My opinion, is that any person(or judge) from  other countries would place
more faith in a judicial statement than in a govt declaration (unless they
happened to know that delhi-high-court and a garbage-dump are synonymns).


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30250 alt.visa.us:314
From: siyer@adobe.com (Shankar Iyer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.visa.us
Subject: Univ. residency question
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:20:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems, Inc.

I need information on 'what qualifies as satisfying residency requirements'
for universities in CA, in particular the Cal State Univ. system. My
understanding was that you had have lived in CA for one year after getting
your green card to qualify for residency status and pay resident fees. This
used to be true for community colleges, too. However, recently one of my
friends informs me that there is a new ruling effective October 1992 (at
least for community colleges) that those who have filed for 'adjustment of
status', i.e. green-card holders spouses for example, and whose application
is at least a year old, now qualify for resident fees. Does anybody know if
this is a similar clause for universities? What are the laws regarding
residency for other states?
Please reply to siyer@adobe.com. I will post a summary as soon as I find
out information.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:29:02 -0400 
From: Manikandan Jayaraman <mj1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!

Mr.Suresh doki writes
 
>i am one of those who believe that our elders are not dumb and when
>they decide something it is for our own good. the same holds for sati
>also IMHO.
 
 
 
>doki


what a crook.I can't beleive an educated person ( i presume this idiot
is, since he has access to email) beleives that burning a woman alive
just because the person whom she married  bought the farm. well Mr.
suresh if you want to find out what i think you are, contact me . in the
mean time  BURN IN HELL.

manikandan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Sonia's book on Rajiv
Keywords: Sonia Rajiv Book
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:05:50 GMT


who cares?

Njan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Men like Gandhi and J.P.
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:09:25 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Racism/Colonialism and other 'ism's'
Summary: Racism/Colonialism and other 'ism's'
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Arun Gupta writes:

>I consider the freedom from colonialism of India and indeed large chunks 
>of the world to be one of the few good things that resulted from Hitler 
>and WWII. 

Personally I do not believe in the above statement. India was getting 
out of control. The British had more to lose than gain by holding on
to India (could equate this to the present Kashmir situation). The need
to hold on to colonies was even more important after the second world
war as the British needed to suck up as much out of India as they could to
rebuild.
Only problem was that they would have had to pay a very heavy price. A 
price they could not afford.


>After all, it was Churchill who said that he hadn't become Prime Minister 
>to preside over the dissolution of the British Empire. Circumstances (the 
>post-Mahabharat-like-ruin that was Europe after the WWII) forced the 
>British hand. 
 
Given the chance they would even today like to rule and 'civilize' India.
It would be easier to build back from ruins if there were trouble free colonies. 
But that was not true.
How long were the British gonna control a population of 350m people. Our
population, I believe was one of the major factors that gave us our
freedom (and we keep trying to reduce it;). See countries like the U.S.,
Australia, New Zealand, South Africa - Europeans settled in these places
in numbers and even today hold power. The treatment of indigenious races
is as bad as that of colonies (an indication of this is the
socio-economic status of these races - African American, American Native,
Australian Aboriginal etc.). Racism is rampant in these places. 

>The other good thing that came out from WWII was that it caused racism to 
>become not respectable. 

This again was due to colonies gaining their freedom and a
shift in power. The world war, by itself, did not help in the awareness
of the 'ignorance of racism'. The gaining of freedom, and the ability to
protect ourselves, has been the major factor in reducing racism - not 
the enlightenment of kind hearted Anglo-Saxons. 

>-arun gupta 
>ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu 


John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: shirish@sequoiasequoia.com (Shirish Jamthe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info. wanted about CD changers
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:13:54 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


	Information wanted regarding CD changers 

	Hi,

		I am planning to buy a CD changer and a portable
	stereo system with CD input-line. I you have any information
	regarding these or any pamplets etc. and if you can share that
	to me I would be grateful.

		I have almost nil knowledge regarding CDs so any input
	is welcome.

		I am at shirish@sequoia.sequoia.com . 

--
Shirish x1670
--
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Autonomy for Kashmir?
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:18:16 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

swami@tcs.com (Venkates Swaminathan) writes:

>I just read on MNS that PVN Rao is considering granting almost complete
>autonomy for Kashmir (except for defence and foreign affairs) because it costs
>too much to maintain law & order there.

>Do you folks think this ia a good thing?

>Swami



Swami:

It is a bad idea. Anyway a step forward to liberate Kashmiris from evil 
hands of Inidan and Pakistani.

Kashmir need "MUQMAAL AZADI".



Bye
Adil
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30151 alt.culture.kerala:223
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: EMAIL ADDRESS OF PANTNAGAR UNIVERSITY WANTED
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:22:57 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


In article <1830q5INNp1m@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
>gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>>Pantnagar is in district Nainital (UP). 
>
>>What does it have to do with alt.kerela ? Can't think of anything 
>>except that there are a few keralites enrolled there (I believe). 
>
>	You say that is true then isnt it a valid query? I dont see
>any reason why people on this group should get personal about it.
>If you dont want people posting on this group which *you* think 
>is invalid.. then moderate it.. or else dont cry about it..

Then why don't you post it to, say, rec.humor? (I guess you CAN do that,
but then you might get your butt flamed... which is what I might consider
doing if the original poster doesn't withdraw his post from ack)

ACK was formed for discussing stuff relevent to Kerala... and we plan to
keep it that way. Of course, you CAN always post something irrelevent on ack,
but then...

Njan
From: hari@bass.bu.edu (hariharane ramasamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: request
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:56:17 GMT
Organization: Boston University

To the netters who post rubbish and junk articles provoking
flames in the network, why don't you move away from this
group and vote yourself to another group. It is really
sick to read this, and you are responsible for creating
unethical issues into the minds of other people.

to the netters who respond with good will, please 
refrain from replying to those flames for dogs always
bark
From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIANS AND SEX
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:24:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0ea5NJu00VotM_7Zgt
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The fact that rhere are so many people in India doesn't mean that Indian
couples have a lot of sex. It just shows that have more unplanned
pregnancies than the average American teenager.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: The Empire and the Sun - Definitely not Cricket
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 03:09:16 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Soc.Culture.indian
Summary: The Empire and the Sun - Definitely not Cricket
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

On recent allegations from David Gower (who implied that India
cheated during the 1990 tour of England by 'doctoring the ball')
Bishen Bedi had the following to say:

"It is the 'sun never sets over the empire syndrome' that the
English are finding hard to get rid off".

A colloquial translation would add up to:

"When are you'll (the English) gonna realise that the sun has
stopped shining up your asses. You'll are no longer the master and
we no longer the slave- therefore U might not get away with making
allegation like the above."

To me it implies that we have not gotten over our inferior
mentality. 

The English whinge over everything. When New Zealand were winning
games during the world cup - It was only the English who claimed
that New Zealand had doctored the pitches and were therefore
'cheating'. No 'empire' 'sun' etc. was brought up by the Kiwis.
They ignored the charges and hinted that it was second nature for
the English to 'whinge'(Whine - for the benefit of my fellow
American Indian nettors). So why did Bedi have to refer to 'the
Empire', 'the sun' and a syndrome which is definitely not cricket.
Could'nt he have reiterated what Kapil said :

" He (David Gower) must be joking, .... His charges have come
rather late in the day. I hope he stops dreaming and starts
playing".


John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:34:03 EDT
From: <AVR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Multiple choice

After reading several news items in the past six months, here are some
of my observations on the fate of the average woman in India.

What do we do with these damned females:

a) Abort them once we know they are female foetuses.

   (Reported in the New York Times in March 92: A United Nations survey
    found that of 6000 abortions in Bombay in 1991 only one was a male
    foetus)


b)  Can't afford abortion? No problem. We can always kill the newborns.

    (Reports on female infanticide rampant in India)


c)  Or, we need not declare their birth. As they grow up along with their
    younger brothers, they can give up their share of food/care.

    (News item in New York Times about female children in China)


d)  Once they are of age we can tease them on the street, pinch them
    on buses, oogle at them in colleges. In the poorer areas we can
    rape them, or kidnap them to sell virgins to pimps for a good price,
    or make them devdaasis. Who cares if they contract STDs. Prostitutes
    in Bombay entertain more than seven customers a day, mostly married
    men. So what, at least they don't starve.

e)  Or, we can marry them and get all their money and more. Hell, their
    parents can pawn their souls if necessary - we want the money. The
    higher our qualifications (M.D, B.E., foreign-returned) the bigger
    the price-tag. It is an accepted form of male-prostitution (you give
    me money and I'll sleep with your daughter).

f)  If we want more money we can heckle them and harass them till their
    parents send more. Or we can beat them for not giving us sons (its
    not OUR sex-chromosomes responsible for producing daughters, its
    THEIR ill-fated karma)

g)  If we desire still more money we can always marry again. Bigamy is
    illegal? No problem. Kitchen accidents happen, you know.

h)  Husband died. Can't let the wife live - family ijjad thing, you know.
    What good is a woman's life without her husband, anyway. Our elders
    know best - hurl her onto the pyre. Rejoice in the glory of our
    tradition.



                                  -Anupa.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: sponna@eos.ncsu.edu (SRIKANTH  PONNAPALLI)
Subject: Re: SAMSKRITHAM or SANSKRIT
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:24:02 GMT

In article <Aug.24.12.14.28.1992.21393@thebe.rutgers.edu>, ratan@thebe.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan) writes:
|> 
|> Why do so many people, mostly from South India, refer to the language 
|> 'Sanskrit' as 'Samskritham' while writing in English? I don't think
|> that there is any such word as 'Samskritham' in English. When you are
|> writing in English, use English words. I don't think it is proper to
|> use one's own version of language without any good reason. 

-- 

	Is there a word like SANTOSH in english?????????????

srikanth