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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:22:37 -0400 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: X-windows
	<"barnacle.e.891:14.03.92.12.16.58"@clarkson.edu>

are there any shareware programs that let you display X in OS/2
ie, if i have my server and client running on another machine, can how
can i put my display on OS/2
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: chawdry@cis.ohio-state.edu (rehan nisar chawdry)
Subject: OS/2 2.0 Advertising
Originator: chawdry@walnut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:18:51 GMT

Well, I've seen about 10 of those Microsoft Word for Windows commercials on 
TV and all I can wonder about is what is IBM doing?

Listen, the guys at Boca have worked hard in programming the next generation
operating system and they don't deserve to be insulted by the lack of vision
of the "marketing" executives of IBM.  The new IBM apparently has started from
the bottom-up, and the guys that are still on top have no brains. I respect
Bill Gates because he is an innovator and he has plenty of initiative.  One
guy from Microsoft is more creative than hundreds of executives of IBM?  Come
on guys...the clock's ticking.  It's not my ass that's up against a wall.

	-- Rehan --

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kent@jts.com (Kent Ng (Co-op) )
Subject: Memory requirements for OS/2 v2.0
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:20:23 GMT


I have a 386DX-20MHz with 4MB RAM (640k + 3MB extended RAM).
The 384k (between 640k and 1024k) can ONLY be use for ram shadow
and NOTHING ELSE! :-(

Is this enough for OS/2 v2.0 or do I need more?

Kent
From: des@frogland.inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: HPFS and Memory
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:08:11 GMT
Organization: INMOS architecture group

In article <1992Apr10.160426.2863@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, rothman@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>My copy of GA is in the mail and i'm still a bit confused about some things.
>
>I have a 386sx-25 with 4megs of RAM, 125mb ide hard drive, ami bios, and et4000 super vga.
>
>Right now i have one big dos 5 partition, but what i was going to do is split it in half, i.e. ~60 megs for FAT and ~60 megs for HPFS.  Now i hear that HPFS is painful on a 4 meg system.  Why?
>
>I dont plan to have more than 2 or 3 apps going at once, and probably small-ish ones at that.  (of course that is subject to change).
>
>ANYWAY, why shouldn't i install HPFS?

i've got my GA and am even more confused.

i have rescanned the installation guide and i still can't find any
warning that i should not install hpfs on a machine with 4-6 Mb 
memory. i have 5 Mb so i chose hpfs (well it does say high performance)
- yes i do notice significant disk swapping ... i'm going to 
re-install with FAT and see if it makes it better.

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From: drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu (Derek Suzuki)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 and SCSI
Keywords: SCSI TCP/IP CD-ROM
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:08:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s2pqcINN6cu
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu


	I've almost decided to order my OS/2, but a couple of
questions remain unanswered. 
	First, does anybody have info on the forthcoming multimedia
extensions?  Will they be able to use the Windows drivers, or need
completely new ones?  How 'bout CD-ROMs?  I'm about to get an Adaptec
1542B.  Will I need to get the Adaptec CDROM driver, or will something
equivalent be included?  Will I need any of the Adaptec drivers for
anything?  Oh, and has a port of GNU-TAR been made that works with the
GA SCSI interface method?
	Also, does anyone have detailed (but not too technical) info
on the TCP/IP product?  Hardware support, capabilities, future upgrades,
etc.
	Thanks to those who responded to my previous post.

Derek Suzuki
drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: More "buglets"
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:35:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cancun.rdippold.703071358
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA


Another buglet.

When I'm in a full-screen OS/2 session and run a program that uses PM,
when the program ends and I try to delete it, it claims that that file
is still being used and can't be deleted, even though PSTAT, the task
list, and other things affirm that the program is indeed no longer
being run.
-- 
Beam me sideways, Scotty - I'm tired of the same old jokes
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 13:33:59 +02
From: Dirk Rober <FDAAA12@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: IBM TCP/IP 1.2 & IBM LS 1.3.2

The LAPSREAD.ME file says one can not have IBM TCP/IP 1.2 and
IBM LAN Server 1.3 running on the same machine. Does this mean :

   that I can not run 1.3 LAN Software with NDIS drivers from TCP/IP 1.2 ?
or/and
   that I can not run 1.3 LAN Requester together with TCP/IP 1.2 ?
or/and
   that I can not run 1.3 LAN Server together with TCP/IP 1.2 ?

Does the 5050 CSD (1.3.2) any importance with this respect ?

Regards,

 Dirk
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: What proof of license is *exactly* needed?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:01:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <peter00983920308233247@pgeck.sub.org> peter@pgeck.sub.org (Peter Gahbler) writes:
>Hi,
>I think I will find a way to upgrade by the help of some friendly 
>people. But I need to know what is *exactly* needed as proof of 
>licence. Some mentioned the cover page of the manual, others the 
>licence agreement. With my windows package the licence agreement 
>was separated from the manual... So what will I need?

IBM packages all come with a 5/7 card labeled "Proof Of License".
This is it.  I don't know what MS does - I think the cover page of the
manual is what they use.



-- 
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dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: mouse problem under o
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:56:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.1480.12096@dosgate> "chuck filson" <chuck.filson@canrem.com> writes:
>  I had the same problem but did find a solution.
>  Install OS2 and use the PCMouse drivers.
>  The Logittech serial mouse will be PCMouse compatible only when
>first pwered up. This means that you can turn the machine on and
>boot OS2 and the mouse will work.
>  If you use the dual boot feature, you must turn the machine off
>when booting from DOS to OS2. If you use a warm boot or the reset 
>button, the mouse will not reset itself and will not work.

...Or issue "MOUSE PC" (or "MOUSE 2 PC") before booting into OS/2.
This will reset the mouse to PC Mouse Systems Mouse compatible.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
From: ian@vnet.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 10:54:49 BST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Comparative programming OS/2 / Win (was Re: sexy guis?)
Reply-To: ian@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd, Hursley, England
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0
            <=mqjdl=.rcain@netcom.com>

In <=mqjdl=.rcain@netcom.com> Robert Cain writes:
>I don't think we are talking the same thing here.  It is pretty easy
>to write a *little* Windows or PM application that is icon size but
>I don't think real icons move.  I'd love to be wrong.
>
>On X you can do this.  My favorite icon on AIX is the terminal session
>that iconifies to a 1.5"x1.5" version of itself fully active.  You can
>see incoming mail, etc.  You can even read parts of it if you squint.
>Do that on PM or Windows!
>
>Bob
>--
>Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007
>
>"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
>                                                    Victoria Roberts
>
Bob

You can do this.  The original internal version of the diary applets
came with a clock.  This would tick away quite happly when iconised.
I really mean iconised not sized to a small window.

Cheers,
Ian Stirling                      Internet: ian@vnet.ibm.com
CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet
IBM UK Labs Ltd, Hursley, England IBMIPnet: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
From: jeff@fang.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Customizing the WPS
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:37:49 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@fang.clearpoint.com
Organization: /home/jeff/.organization


I posted this question to comp.os.os2.misc, but I did not get any
response so here goes:

I do not have OS/2 2.0 yet, but I played with it at the Boston
announcement bash.  One of the things that I noticed was that, like
windows, it appeared that the active window _had_ to be in the
foreground.  Is there any way to cusomize the setup to allow me to
have a window recieve input from the keyboard and still be partially
obscured by another window?

The reason that I want this is to allow me to have a window become
active as soon as the mouse is moved into it, without clicking.  This
is something that I can do on my Sun (running X11R5) and I find that I
like it.  It makes things a lot faster when switching between tasks on
the screen.  One of the first programs to be put into the PD on the
Amiga was NoClick, which allowed the user to make a window active by
just moving the mouse.

Anyway, any help is greatly appreciated.
--

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: klee@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kathleen K. Lee)
Subject: OS/2 LAN Server - tape drive as shared resource? 
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Summary: tape backup drive as shared device
Keywords: LAN Server tape drive
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:51:00 GMT


We just installed an IBM PS/2 Internal Tape Backup Unit into a
Model 70 (software is PMTAPE v2.0).  
This Model 70 is running under OS/2 Lan Server 1.3,
and what we'd like to do is make the tape backup drive a shared
resource (through LAN Requester) so that users can back up
their own drives.  Backing up other servers on the domain is
no problem, but we're not sure about clients.  Can someone
point me in the right direction?  I'm new at this, and appreciate
any info.

Thanks.
Kath
klee@zorch.sf-bay.org

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: restoring icons??
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:55:51 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <19929.1480.11458@dosgate> "bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com> writes:
>I need a tip on restoring icons in program groups under OS/2 1.3.
>I have installed the Windows Library for OS/2 (WLO v1.1) and the
>associated Windows desk accessories.  After initial installation,
>these programs show representative icons in the various Desktop
>Manager program groups that I've set up.

Do you know where WLO 1.1 applets can be found?  I was only aware of
1.0.

>However, if I restore the hard drive from a backup tape, the
>icons for the WLO apps (and these apps _only_) revert to the
>simple [PM] icon.
>I use a Colorado 120 internal tape unit and their Jumbo software
>version 2.50 after BOOT/DOS to make backups and restore them. The
>"EA DATA . SF" file has been restored and CHKDSK shows no lost
>extended attributes.  All other OS/2 apps have the proper icons,
>e.g. CPU Meter and PM View.  Only the WLO apps have lost their
>icons.  The "Refresh Icons - F5" function in File Manager doesn't
>restore them either.

The icons for these applets are indeed stored in extended attributes
(as you may have guessed).  It also appears that your DOS backup is
not keeping track of extended attributes (which is also possible).

The ideal remedy, of course, is to use an OS/2 backup program.

However, if you can't do that as a last ditch effort try booting from
your OS/2 installation disk, pressing ESC when the blue screen comes
up, inserting Disk 1, and doing CHKDSK C: /F (or to whichever drive
applies).  (For OS/2 2.0, just add one intervening diskette, i.e.
CHKDSK is on Disk 2.)

-- 
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: "EA DATA.SF" ?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:57:23 GMT

In article <kui6lfINNfp8@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu> easyrob@cs.utexas.edu (Robert Depew Reynolds) writes:
>The down fall of OS/2 total DOS compatability caused by a simple " ".
>
>Wouldn't all DOS programs back up the EA information if the file had only
>been called "EA_DATA.SF" and remained marked as a hidden system file??
>
>This decision must have been made late at night by some very tired, over
>worked programmer in Boca.  Don't you just hate when that happens!??

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, so I will play it safe
and assume you are not.

The space (actually there are two of them, the file is called "EA DATA. SF")
is not the problem.  DOS is perfectly happy to deal with filenames that have
spaces in them.

In fact, I suspect that the space was put there for a reason.  There are few
programs that can deal with the space in the name.  They just don't understand
a DOS filename with a space in it.  Consequently, the EA_DATA._SF (for
convenience) file isn't likeley to be tampered with or deleted.

And in fact, it's really not incompatible.  OS/2 will correctly read the
files that don't have the EAs, and DOS doesn't need them nor see them.
The problem is that if DOS corupts them, they are lost when OS/2 wants
to get them.  You don't lose any hard drive space, or any data, etc, you
just lose the EAs.  The EAs are only, at this point, important for WPS
functions.

The answer?  Don't use DOS programs on files that need the EAs to be used
correctly.  Not a satisfactory answer, but it works for now.

-Dave
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From: ian@vnet.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 10:55:06 BST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 GA - Impressions, Suggestions, Info
Reply-To: ian@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd, Hursley, England
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0
            <1992Apr8.165702.7340@ccs.QueensU.CA>

In <1992Apr8.165702.7340@ccs.QueensU.CA> Christian Vandendorpe writes:
>In article <rdippold.702593847@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>Installation suggestions: I have a 106 MB hard disk.  I repartitioned
>>and reinstalled three (3!) times before I found the setup I liked.  My
>>suggestion: Make a bootable partition C: for DOS with enough room for
>>you to put DOS and some DOS stuff on it.  Then make an extended
>>logical HPFS partition for OS/2 2.0 with the rest.  I settled on 30 MB
>>for the DOS partition (I want to have room for Ultima VII, and I don't
>>know if it's going to run well under OS/2 2.0).  Then make it bootable
>>on OS/2 2.0 by default.
>>
>
>How were you able to boot from a logical partition?? I thought you
>could boot only from primary partitions (wether they be the active or non-
>active primary partition).
>
>Christian
>
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If you install the OS/2 Boot Manager it will allow OS/2 2.0 to boot
from a logical partition.

DOS and OS/2 1.x can be booted by Boot Manager but these must both be
on primary partitions on the first physical drive.

Cheers,
Ian Stirling                      Internet: ian@vnet.ibm.com
CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet
IBM UK Labs Ltd, Hursley, England IBMIPnet: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
From: kogan@novavax.UUCP (Michael S. Kogan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Marketing..
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:09:35 GMT
Reply-To: kogan@novavax.UUCP (Michael S. Kogan)
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, Florida/IBM Corp

Just how does the Windows 3.1 system protect apps from each other?
Especially when they share a common address space?

Mike Kogan
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.programmer
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: An open letter to PC Mag
From: cvadr014@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:28:26 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadr014

I'll disagree with you with the premtive multitasking of OS/2. 
	I've been running it since 1.1, and under that, on a 286 box, i've 
been able to format both floppy drives, with no apparent slow down. 

	As for GA, just prior to replying to your post, I started both my
floppies formatting disks, and I'm not seeing a slow down. Earlier, while 
compiling with BC++ in a dos box, i also had a copy of teledisk pulling 
some unix formatted floppies (actually from a sun) to disk, and then, i still
wasn't noticing a slow down beyond what i would expect when performing that 
amount of disk I/O, the compile probly took about 5 seconds longer than it 
would have under dos, 3:34 min, vs 3:25 to 3:30 under straight dos (Gee, 
don't you get the feeling i've compiled that particular program quite a FEW
times? :-) ) As for Windows, last time someone i'm my dorm tried it, under
3.1, i ended up having to go in and clean up the mess, he was attempting to
format 2 floppies and use a word processor, the end result was that he trashed
his partition table and fat pretty nicely, but, since i wasn't there, i can't
say for sure what happend, but i do know it was under windows 3.1, and that
the partition table and the fat were pretty much gone. 

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Is formating a must?
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 05:02:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

When overinstalling GA over 6.304 *must* I actually format.  Is it not
possible to just erase some directories (from the install diskette with
MKS "rm -rf") and leave my real files the hell alone.  I have a whole bunch
of stuff to install but am sitting here waiting for GA because I'll be damned
If I'll do it over when much of it must be heavily customized for use. Help.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dyoung@netcom.com (David Young)
Subject: OS/2 2.0 Shrinkwrap at Frys!!!
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:15:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I was strolling through Fry's Electronics in Sunnyvale Ca. this evening and
there on the shelf, right across from the Windoze 3.1 boxes, were several
stacks of OS/2 2.0 "shrinkwrap".  Salesperson said that they'd been there a
few hours, and they'd already sold about half of their shelf-stock.

So, for those who said it's not "real" till you can go to the store and
buy it off the shelf, go to it!!!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian P Ruta)
Subject: Re: Is OS2/2.0-DOS faster than plain Dos??
Reply-To: spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian P Ruta)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.182059.13968@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.183059.26265@towers.rn.com> davidh@towers.rn.com (David Holland) writes:
>>>>Is DOS in OS2 2.0 faster than plain Dos on the SAME machine? Or is it so
>>>>arkward and slow that I would have to dual-bbot all the time?
>>>It sure speeds along when you're accessing a file on a HPFS partition!
>>>No, it seems to me that DOS runs just fine.  Of course, if you've got
>>>a couple disk or cpu intensive tasks going on things slow down, but
>>>not as much as with Windows or DesqView.
>>Well, just an example, a very old copy of norton utilities SI reports
>>approx 51.2 on a 486/33 as its computing index, however under
>>OS/2 2.0 in a Dos window I managed only 18.x.
>>I'd say the disk I/O is probably improved considerably (with HPFS that is)
>>however computing thru-put is (obviously) lower.
>
>No, one cannot jump to that conclusion.  Norton SI is obviously doing
>something grossly trivial.  OS/2 2.0 may, in fact, sense this and
>steal CPU away from that DOS session to devote it to other tasks.
>
>One could try bumping up IDLE_SENSITIVITY to 100 and then running SI,
>but even there I would have my doubts.
>-- 
>Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions


I have found that Norton SI (version 6.0) gives me the same reading in
a DOS window as I got under straight DOS 5, at 71.2 (w/ a 486/33).  If
I move the mouse a lot it drops briefly, but then settles back.  (This
was with the 6.177 release, I too await the GA.....)




-- Sebastian 
   spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu