HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: muffy@anableps.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: some questions for a newbie
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:46:31 GMT
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: an3258@anon.penet.fi's message of Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.101257.7714@penet.fi> an3258@anon.penet.fi writes:
> Readin this service and the bisexu-l listserv has aroused my
> curiosity (among other things).  I would welcome suggestions
> as to "gentle" ways to further explore the world of bi. 

If there *is* a "world of bi," someone point me to it! *smile*...
actually, perhaps that's what we have right here, in which case you're
already exploring it.  What do you think this world is, and why do you
want to explore it?  What are your bi-relevant interests?

> I fully accept it intellectually.

What does this mean?  Do you think it's something that's fine for
others, or do you think it's "the best way to be," or what?  Do you want
to "grow up to be bi?" *smile*.

> However, I really don't feel a physical
> attraction to other Ms.

What about emotional?  How do you feel about touching, especially
touching people you care about?  Do you have any close male friends?
Would you be comfortable snuggling naked in bed with a man?

> I would appreciate corresponding with others
> (especially biFs).

Again, specifying your interests would be a help here.  Everyone here
has different interests, different experiences, different views.  If you
wanted to discuss, for example, male-male sex, I wouldn't be much help
to you.  If you wanted to discuss Bruce Cockburn, I'd be a good place to
start...*grin*.  (Not really an offer, btw...I'm having trouble keeping
up with email as it is - but I can refer you to the Bruce Cockburn
mailing list...*grin*.)

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:12:56 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
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|> Welll..... I *could* be... I think there's someone in Austin I may
|> want to see...
|> 
|> >*grin*
|> 
|> *grin* back.
|> 
|> >Darren
|> >(6'3", dark short hair, green eyes, bisexual and horny as ....)
|> 
|> Oh, that clinches it!  I'll be coming.
Hey, Kay!  If you *do* come to Austin, how's about getting a party together
with everyone in the area.  I know *I* want to meet the specimen you are
also.  I know some good clubs...
And good UFO races....
And good food....

BRIBE
BRIBE
BRIBE
BRIBE
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: Re: Oooh, am I miffed!
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:45:38 GMT

In <MlR=7x#@engin.umich.edu> rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:
>I just posted recently about the cute little pin (button) I bought.
>Pretty inocuous, 1.5 cm diameter, interlocking mars/venus signs.
>So, I'm walking along, I pass a group of folks, and pull up a stool.
>Then I hear them saying stuff like "Did you see that pin?  Imagine
>walking around saying 'I'm bisexual.'  Yuck!  What audacity!"
>So I look over, and yes, they were talking about ME.  I smiled
>demurel, got up, and found a much more bi-friendly environment...
>Here.  Hug me?


Hugs for you!  Lots and lots!  :)  I love hugs...:)
--
He got up from the couch and stared out the window at a far-off place
inside himself that she couldn't see.

Fuzzies for anyone who wants them - New shipments every Thursday.
From: zbyslaw@artemis.EuroPARC.Xerox.COM (Alex Zbyslaw)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Seperatists etc.
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:07:10 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC

In article <1992Dec19.212016.18968@midway.uchicago.edu>, h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
|> In article <lj6nmnINN8jo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:

|> >
|> >	This reminds me of an issue that comes up between me and my SO.  When
|> >I indicate my desire for space -- a night every week or two when she
|> >is out of the house and I can do as I please, she still wants to know
|> >what I am doing and still wants "approval/disapproval" power over whatever
|> >it is.  Now she won't go so far as to explicit prohibit anything, but
|> >she will use emotionally coercive methods to make her disapproval known
|> >if I don't tell her what I am doing and/or if she doesn't approve of it.
|> 
|> I had a girlfriend like that.  I broke up with her.

Funny world.  I was accused of behaving like that when I'd never been asked to
leave space.

--Alex
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Subject: Re: Age of soc.bi (Was: Hi!)
Originator: kdc5072@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:41:20 GMT

<bows in Ciaran (sp?) direction>

I stand corrected....sorry.  (wonder what he was reading then.....)

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From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:19:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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[If Steve Conley is out there, he is advised that an Orc has been
observed in the vicinity <wink>]

orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>|  I'm much the same as ever, if rather
>|tired, and with some rather neat big silver feathers hanging from my
>|ears and a Two Nice Girls CD found in a local lesbian bookstore.
>
>   A CD that managed to magically become a bottle of very nice
>single malt within the last day or so, too. 

"Very nice" single malt?  *"Very nice?"* <splutter> Underselling
yourself through modesty or reserve is one thing, but really, Orc!  For
those who know, think Lagavulin.  Superlative start.  Think distilled
1968, bottled 1992.  Count 'em - 24 glorious years, probably older than
the average soc.bi poster.  Add independent bottling, at cask strength
(63.8% pv, whassat, 127 proof?), and, well ... I'm sorry, I'm just not
demonstrative enough to express the required sentiment.

>The feathers are quite
>nice, too, if not quite as nice as the owner of said earrings.

Aw gee, shucks :-)  Your triangle gets to hang from a neat earlobe too.
Of course, I'm also cheaper than the earrings, so a good deal: they were
$12, I can often be snagged for the price of an e-flirt ...

>| I
>|also reserve a large soft spot (just over here) for those people who
>|make interesting noises when I knead their backs into new shapes.
>
>  "Why, whatever could he mean?" muses the Orc, who doesn't know
>*anyone* who'd fit that description.

Ask the neighbours about that one.  I was in a relationship with someone
where we supplanted "Do the bears shit in the woods?" as a query of
obviousness with "Did we wake Fiona up?" ...  To quote Joni again, "You
turn me on, I'm a radio"; I know a select few who fit that description.
I just never knew Orcs giggled so much ...

>                ____
>  david parsons \bi/ "That's *MR* Vanilla to you"
>                 \/

Vanilla?  Trust me folks, visual inspection of this guy is enough to
make it clear that he's *at*least* Raspberry Ripple - a quite
appropriate description of his skin-state these days ...

Oh damn, what a giveaway.

hugs
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Subject: Re: anti-bi's
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:53:44 GMT


I have a friend in a tight-knit student debate society, formerly a
homophobe, who saw the light when she met a gay man (Terrance, also in the
group) and became friends. Later, when her best friend came out as
gay, she was able to cope, and attributed (before the group) her
friendship to Terrance to making her tolerent enough to save her other
friendship. Very moving, tolerent and sweet. Close curtain.

Well, this same young lady tells me -- I'm not out to her -- that she
"just can't understand how anyone could mary a bisexual," refering to
another bisexual in our happy little organization. Well, soon, I'll be
coming out to her, too, because she obviously believes that
monosexuals can be responsible and committed, but that bisexuals are
juvenile and on the prowl for anything that moves.

We are not amused. 
And I'm secretly praying that *her* fiance turns out to be
non-exclusively-heterosexual. 
Ha!

-- 
Scott Wells                        +  Get thee behind me Satan !
Internet: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu  + 
University of Georgia		   +  Looking for families: Wells, Fox (TN)
Athens, Georgia, USA               +  Coatney (TN), Wilvert (PA)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: smd@uunet.ca (Sean Doran)
Subject: Re: Human Rights Legislation in Canada
Organization: UUNET Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:10:10 GMT
Distribution: na

bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:

>	o prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation
>	o define marital status as referring only to opposite-sex couples
>	o various other human rights things

Sources in the Liberal Party tell me that the Bill is likely to stall
in the Senate for some time, if it ever gets that far, for three
reasons.  Firstly, there are a number of senators (on both sides) who
have an axe to grind with Kim Campbell, the Minister of Justice.  Like
her non-stand on the question of abortion, her latest bill is
dismissed by these people as mere posturing to become the next leader
of the Progressive Conservative party.  These people are still a
numerical majority.

Secondly, there are a number of senators who side quite strongly with
Svend Robinson, and who are openly non-straight.  Two of the most
prominent Senators (Jacques Hebert, Liberal Chief Whip (no, I don't
know if he's into B&D, but he's been out since the sixties), and Peter
Stollery, who is acting Liberal Caucus Chairman (and has been out
since the seventies, and is very bisexual)) have apparently indicated
that they will not support the Bill without amendments.

>The good news is that a human rights tribunal has found the definition of
>marital status to be unconstitutional. 

This will probably hold in the courts too.  The Supreme Court, despite
Tory stacking, has been surprisingly (small-l)liberal about such
things lately.  

>If you wish to do some letter writing, I would recommend either writing to
>Kim Campbell (Justice Minister and proposor of the amendments) or Svend
>Robinson (NDP Member of Parliament and "the only declared gay in the
>Commons") at the following address:

>Parliament Hill
>Ottawa, Ont.
>K1A 0A6 Canada

This is the address for all Members of Parliament.  Note that you do
not need postage if you mail the letter within Canada while Parliament
is in session.

Canadian Senators may be reached at The Senate of Canada, Ottawa,
Ont., Canada K1A 0A4.  You do not need postage when sending mail to a
Senator, whether Parliament is in session or not.  Also, the Senate
has a WATS number (+1 800 267 7362) that operates roughly 9am-6pm
Ottawa time.  The WATS number can be used to reach any Senator, and
they are usually quite happy to talk to constituents who know they're
alive and have a role in the legislative process.

The receptionist at the 800 number can also tell you who your Senator
is, in case you're interested.

Lobbying Senators Hebert and Royce Frith (Leader of the Opposition)
would be good starts.  On the Government side, Senators Solange
Chaput-Rolland and Patricia Carney might be good choices.  Naturally,
this assumes that the Bill gets as far as the Senate before the next
prorogation.  This is uncertain, especially now that the House of
Commons has adjourned for a six-week winter holiday.

	Sean.
From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hi!
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:29:06 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kdc5072@ultb

Ciaran McHale writes:
-> Henry Massalin writes:
-> >> I'm assuming that Jenneke's introductory paragraph means you haven't
-> >> been here before.
-> >
-> >Actually, I had posted once before - two (?) years ago - and had been duly
-> >welcomed.  Does that count? :-)
-> 
-> Soc.bi has only been around for about 14 months so I doubt if it was
-> that long ago. Though, it certainly _seems_ longer than that.
-> 
-> Welcome (again).
-> 
-> 
hmmm, Ciaran, you may want to check you calendar...I have been reading
soc.bi since at least last oct...that is 14 right there and we had well
over 4000 posts at that time...

And a friend of mine told me about it and how they read it the year before
(acedemic year...) so that totals up to about 18 months...

Anyone have the first post with a date? 8*)

*Hugs To All*

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From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:34:34 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>> Chris writes:
>>As George Orwell pointed out in Nineteen Eighty-Four, language and
>>how we speak  *does* have significant impact on how we humans think.
>
>That is only one half of the picture.  The relaionship is much more symbiotic
>in that I think our culture and ideologies impact our language as well.
[...]
>I don't think you eradicate sexist or any -ist thought by wiping out the
>words that it uses.

You go on to expound this quite clearly.  However, I'd suggest you're
missing one attraction of the attack on -ist language rather than -ist
thoughts.  [Aside 1: it's not an either/or choice; Aside 2: attacking
thoughts directly is damn tough.]  I agree that impelling (by whatever
means, including Alan's prescription of hipness) Jack and Jill the
-Ists to use fairer language derived from fairer concepts does not
automagically given them those concepts.  Consider, however, any
children Jill and Jack have.  This is the coal-face of societal
attitude: the development of a fresh consciousness without any of the
old-dog-new-tricks problems of re-education.  Little J grows up, not
being preached to about the neccesity for equality, like some grotesque
Pledge Of Allegiance every morning, but grows up in a world where the
communication implies fairness.  I can see a lot of good in that.  As
ever, no magic bullet, but don't just limit your vision to the
generation of -Ists you're taking to.

Who knows?  I may even be agreeing with Alan here ...

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Tori Amos (was Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out))
Organization: me, myself and I
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:20:44 GMT

In article <29714@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>>No.  Please, who is Tori Amos?
>
[sara mentions a review...]

Tori Amos is effing amazing!!  I love her _Little Earthquakes_
CD!!!  I have been playing it all day!!!!!  In the middle of
the first song, I set the CD player to <repeat>...  Wow!!
<More, more!!!!>  Now I have to run out and buy copies for
my sister and friends...


Piglet, who also thinks she's gorgeous...
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Attack of the Separatists
Date: 19 Dec 92 10:35:29
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 19 Dec 1992 13:36:18 GMT

In article <1gv8giINNjfi@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>In article <1guqtrINNhlo@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>->convinced, though, that it's an adequate description of the typical
>->dynamic between feminists and men (for instance).

>The role of men in the feminist movement is, IMHO, a rather complex subject,
>involving what _right_ they have to be in the movement,

What "right"?  While I've heard a few feminists say that men don't have
a "right" to be involved, the overwhelming majority I've heard/talked to
(including myself) think that there is not a "right" to be involved at
all.  People who are interested in, concerned about and understanding of
the issues (no, don't ask me what "the issues" are! *smile*...way way
too complicated) are all welcome.  It seems to me that men are just as
capable of being interested and concerned, as women.  The only question
is one of understanding (as is being addressed in another thread).
Having quite a few feminist men as friends, I think they are quite
capable of understanding on all levels except, perhaps, the one of
*living* the problems every day (even there, though, they do pretty
well). 

>[...] I think you'd find
>it hard to adequately describe this relationship between feminists and men
>who are pro-feminist.

Well, I don't quite know what "pro-feminist" is.  Is that like "I'm not
a feminist, but..."?  I get the impression that you're saying that only
women are feminists, and men can only be "pro-feminist."  I don't think
that that is true at all.

Muffy


--

Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Vikki's Problems With Kerry&Me
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:35:43 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) spreads the word thusly:
>
>Clue ... BIG CLUE ...  EVEN BIGGER CLUE .... Feminism is not a 
>man-bashing movement.

Say, Iseult, was this really meant for the "Pins" thread? :-) I *like*
the epithet.  Now if only I was weak enough to indulge my desire for
a 20-line sig ...

hugs
Mike, who has no inclination to separatism of any shade, but is happy
enough to be a separate.
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett)
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Organization: as little as possible
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:37:13 GMT

Muffy Barkocy (muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu) wrote:
 
: Ah, well...I'll have to get more and better GIFs made...*grin*.

Oh boy, maybe I get to use my darkroom and high-res scanner when
Joe and Karina get here.  alt.b.p.e.bi.bunnies anyone?

N.
-- 
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a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.  His own
good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant.   John Stuart Mill

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Send e-mail to nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca or try uunet.ca!kink!kathunk!nigel
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Vikki's Problems With Kerry&Me
Date: 18 Dec 1992 07:14:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
>
>rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
[on NIN]
>>  Great topping music, IMHO.
>
>Sounds like it's pretty good bottom music as well.  Somehow I suddenly
>feel like I need to go out and find some of this music.  What is the
>name of the song that line is from?

I'm not a NINtendo.  However, the first thing to leap into my head as
appropriate music is The The's "Infected".  On reflection, I'm not sure
if it's better for top or bottom, but it certainly contains some of the
deepest and dirtiest of emotions, with a backbeat that kills.  I avoided
buying this record for a few years way back because I was too scared of
the impact it would have on me (I knew the songs well).  A good record
is a powerful thing to some, and if you're feeling depressed, this might
be a bit much to take, but as fuel for a bit of aggressive venting, I'm
sure it'll do nicely.  References to sqealing like a stuck pig, and
lizards in a tin.  Yeah; check it out, if you don't know it.

hugs
Mike

PS contemplated bi-content just before hitting send - erp.  Well, how's
about the fact that there's some pretty interesting gender stuff on the
record?  Explorations of the tarry depths of aggressive, pointedly male
sexuality?  Or something like that.
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Singing Queers
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.065657.12837@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
:In <1992Dec18.072152.5307@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:
:[lots of queer musicians' names]
:I heard rumours about Sarah MacLachlan, and don't forget the Depeche boys
:(at least Martin, and Vince Clarke now of Erasure).
:Pet Shop Boys, too.

But remember folks, *don't* include that certified heterosexual Jason. :-)

G