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From: igorl@uiuc.edu (Igor Livshits)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Aquarium Backings
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:45:54 GMT
Organization: NCSA
X-Xxdate: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:39:52 GMT
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In article <1992Aug13.204815.14200@watson.ibm.com> , @watson.ibm.com
writes:
>Local stores don't have too much in the way of attractive backings for
>tanks (so you don't see to the boring white wall behind the tank).
>Has anyone come up with ideas for home-made backings that look nice?
>Thanks, Cliff


Spray paint it black.  You just can't go wrong with a black background.

Igor
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson)
Subject: Re: Coral safe for Freshwater tanks?
Reply-To: dyson@sunfish.Physics.UIowa.EDU
Organization: Department of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:02:35 GMT

In article <22929@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, frazier@maxwell (Greg Frazier) writes:
> nick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Lemberos) writes:
> : subject says it all.  found some nice coral while down in the florida
> : keys (some I bought, others I found in the water).  
> 
> Coral is not good for freshwater tanks.  It will cause
> your water to harden.  Also, it is considered in poor taste
> to purchase coral, and only an asshole removes it from the
> ocean.  Yes, that was a flame.


Not only an asshole, but a CRIMINAL one.  It is a federal offense to
evne TOUCH coral in the ocean inside the US waters!

rick
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From: lee@coredump.npac.syr.edu (Lee C Brink)
Subject: Re: Help with making stand for 2 55g tanks
In-reply-to: dbailey@bcarh673.bnr.ca's message of Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:53:33 GMT
Organization: Northeast Parallel Architectures Center (NPAC)
	<1992Aug14.185333.27169@bnr.ca>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 10:00:30 EDT


  So if I used 2x6 I could do away with the front middle post w/o worry
of collapsing?

   Lee

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From: rivan@bnr.ca (Robert Ivan)
Subject: scuba and aquariast
Reply-To: rivan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:49:25 GMT

  I happen to keep marines.  But what got me started was scuba diving.
Right after diving in Cozumel I got into this addictive hobby.  But
alas my tank will never be like the ocean.  Where I dove, the coral
heads and sponges were huge.  The fish life was amazing.  There were
Thousands upon thousand of fish everywhere all very busy. 
  But I'll keep to the subject of fish.  On my last dive in the Florida
keys,  I swam with a school of a hundred or so blue tangs (some were olive).
This school was also acompanied by some large parrot fish and other
'friendlies'.  We swam about for about 20 minutes ( me in the middle),
circling the reef.  But what was really funy was that I eventually 
looked out to see who was leading this rag tag group. Most of the
tangs wer over 9 inches in size. But the guy at the front wasn't bigger
than 3 or 4.  Must have beeen some sacrificial Lamb. Or a least the only smart
one.

 I'll stop now before someone tells me to go to rec.scuba.
Rob
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Another Beginner's Questions
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:58:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dc37@prism.gatech.EDU (COLLINS,DONALD J) writes:

>4)  In a related question to 2, if I do get a UGF in addition to the Eheim
>  do I need power heads or just air to run them?  Also, can I somehow run the 
>    water from the UGF through the Eheim to filter the dirt, etc from
>    under the gravel better?

I'm a beginner too, but I think (if you want to do it) the best way
would be to run your Eheim output down the lift tubes and run your UGF
reversed.  As long as you are putting pure water in the bottom, it
should give additonal biological filtration, and not get messy.  I've
never done it, and would like confirmation from somebody who has that it
is possible to do this.

Frank Fujita
From: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: sparay bar, bio balls
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:48:17 EST
Reply-To: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems



This might be common sense for some but what is the relationship
between bio balls and the amount needed?

     :example 1gal of bio balls for every 10gal.

Also I am sure that the amount of fish and inverts would also
have to be included.

I was interested in a reef situation with some fish and a also
some inverts and the like.   How can I include this info into
the formula.  Is there any books that have these formulae.
 
Secondly, How many people have sray bars in their W/D?

I recently obtained one (mail order) and found that it is a little
quieter than the splashy drip plate.  Actually alot quieter.

BUT!  it does not provide as fast a water flow as before so I
drilled bigger holes, and also added a few to help it along

BUT STILL!  my W/D 1" non-kink hose is backed up to the pre-filter
hanging on the side of the tank (this is why it is quieter there is no
air and water splashing around down the W/D water line) I think
water pressure alone is what is driving the water tru my new 'gay bar'
or pay bar would be better. For the price I paid it kinda sucks.

Any suggestions would be gracious.
Thanks.

Larry.
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From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Source for air valves
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:56:57 GMT
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

I am building a small air delivery system out of 1" PVC piping
to help reduce the noise level and reduce the pressure coupling
between air-driven sponge filters.

Right now I have those multi-gang brass valves and small airline
tubing, but I find that I have to adjust them almost daily
to keep the air flow moving in the sponge filters. As one
sponge gets more clogged than another. less air flows through it and
the other sponges get more air.

I figure that if I put the air pumps right into the long PVC pipes
and drill in taps near the tanks with equal length tubing, there will
be no coupling and all the sponge filters should see the same pressure.

But I can't find a good source for air valves. I would like
metal valves with multi-turn knobs, if possible. At our
local hardware store I can put one together for about
$4.00. The Cole-Parmer catalog has only mil-spec types that
cost much more and are plastic.

Has anyone else found a good way to do this? I want about
10 air valves.

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From: cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (D. Cowan (Postmaster))
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Black Ghost
Keywords: black ghost
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:05:59 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

watts@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Christopher Watts) writes:

> 
> I just became the owner of a 6" black ghost and I was wondering what is a 
> good food to feed this thing.  I was told that it really likes guppies but
> I can't feed it guppies everyday.  Any suggestions?

I have an 8" black ghost and I feed it primarily freeze dried shrimp pellets
(the sinking kind) and flake food, with some frozen krill from time to time.

It appears to like it as it continues to grow and doesn't harass the other fish.
In fact, even when I had other, smallish fish (glowlight tetras etc) it never
went after them.


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From: harold@wam.umd.edu (James B. Harold)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fish people
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:09:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug13.135347.10804@wuecl.wustl.edu> anbo@wuee1.wustl.edu (Albrecht Jander) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.163853.26369@wam.umd.edu> faith@wam.umd.edu (Jerome V. Smith) writes:
>>How many of you have wished you where small enough to fit in your tank and 
>>swim around with the other fish? (ok, call me weird)
>
>That one hadn't occured to me.  I always wish I had a tank BIG enought for
>me to swim around in.    :-)
>

While realizing that this isn't what you meant, I thought I'd make
a fairly obvious comment:  avid fish people might give a little
thought to getting certified for scuba diving.  Not a cheap hobby,
but that's exactly what ran through my mind the other weekend...
it's like being on the inside of the aquarium for a change. And
as much fun as it is for "normal" :-)  people, I think aquarists can
enjoy it even more.  During my certification dive (in a local
quarry), people complained about how boring it was sitting on
a platform at 30' waiting to do our "skills".  Boring? Ha.
There were bluegills poking at my wet suit.  Daphnia and other
assorted micro-critters swimming past my nose. It was an effort
for me to pay attention to our instructor and not ponder the
dynamics of this big ol' aquarium I was sitting in :-). 

I apologize for the babbling...I'm newly certified and overly
enthusiastic.  Just thought it should be said.  I'll
go read rec.scuba now.  :-)  :-)  :-)

James Harold
harold@wam.umd.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: ig30@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Article on Aquarium Stands
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:39:41 GMT

About a week or two ago someone asked about aquarium stands. Well, the
September issue of FAMA has an article on building a sturdy aquarium stand.

Ruvan
 
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:6678 alt.aquaria:4670
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Subject: Re: Novaqua and phosphates
From: <UD005565@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 13:21:12 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

I would not throw away my Novaqua and find something else. Phosphates in
a freshwater aquarium should not pose any problems, I make my own phosphate
buffer to keep the pH of some of my tanks at 7.4. The plants in these tanks
grown much nicer than the other tanks because potassium and phosphorus
are being replaced as they are being used. My one ten gallon aquarium
has the light on 24 hours a day and there is no algae problem. I have found
several algaes and plants in the streams up here that I liked and hace put
them in this tank to propogate. Don't overfeed your fish and unless you are
keeping something very sensiyive, you shouldn't have to worry about
phosphates being a problem.


                           Bill Martin
                           Center for Biological Resarch
                           University of North Dakota
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From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: A ridiculously tall, thin octagon tank
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:48:21 GMT

I "inherited" a six-foot tall, octagon acrylic tank.  And I never, ever want to
have to clean it out once it is set up.  Here's my idea:  Large pieces of sand
stone in the bottom, a power filter with an uptake pipe that reaches to the
bottom so the falling debris gets sucked up to the filter, and a couple sponge
filters for bio filtration.  Also, I plan on putting a tree-root/plant setup in
it.  Also, a small fish load.   Does this sound like a reasonable setup for
filtering it and never having to clean it?  Does anyone have any good setups
for this ridiculous tank? 

Any input is appreciated.  I am waiting until I have the perfect plan
formulated before I start it.  My uncle didn't do this and would dump the
*whole tank* every three months for a cleaning.  Yuk!!  :^o

-- chris
 
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From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fish people
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:09:01 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

krogers@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>Yeah, and what about ol' Robert and his tanks and ponds of 3' koi?

All that in his appartment, no less.

>They guy is a hopeless carp basket case.  Sheez, why not make a meal
>of them and watch TV instead?

As I recall, that's what he did at least once.  

>But if you're a true cichlid aficiando you're into SA ones.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The word you are looking for is "cichlidiot".
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From: bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson)
Subject: Re: Using peat to lower pH - How to?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:28:40 GMT

In article <LEE.92Aug12103524@coredump.npac.syr.edu> lee@coredump.npac.syr.edu (Lee C Brink) writes:
>
>	1) How much should I use in the Aquaclear 300 (Volume wise) for a
>		particular pH?  Is this actually possible to figure out?
    Personally, I have found that peat isn't that great for lowering
 pH, but works great for softening the water in my tank. It does
 have a pH lowering effect, but not enough for our very alkaline
 water. I use peat in conjunction with a pH lowering solution I
 buy from the aquarium store.
>
>
>  Lee
>
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From: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Fish people
Reply-To: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:05:57 GMT

oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev) writes:

>elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
>>1) Fish bowls -- 	- usually with gold fish 
>>2) Small FW tanks --	- popular among people that like animals,
>>3) Large FW tanks	- As above -- especially popular among young
>>4) Marine  -- 	- professionals with strong "stick-to-it" traits
>
>You are forgetting people with lots of tanks of all sizes, from 8 oz fry 
>bowls and plastic shoeboxes up to whatever will fit, people who dedicate 
>a room or a large closet or an entire garage or even an entire basement
>to rows and rows of tanks.  These people are mostly either marginally or 
>completely insane.  I know this from experience.
>
>Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com

Oleg just described a true killifish nut - they keep the plastic
shoebox and tupperware industry alive and well all by themselves ;^)
They're hopelessly insane, right Matt, Thuan, Oleg?

As a reef keeper, I have a different definition for those who keep
marines: people with too much spare money and time plus no sense.  Oh,
and we read too much as well.  In short, we need a life!

Of course the above applies to "Dupla" tank types as well, eh?  (you
know who you are)

Yeah, and what about ol' Robert and his tanks and ponds of 3' koi?
They guy is a hopeless carp basket case.  Sheez, why not make a meal
of them and watch TV instead?

You ever seen the lit on just Rift Lake cichlids alone?  It's a
religion.  But if you're a true cichlid aficiando you're into SA ones.
These are the guys you need to watch out for - always plotting about
these huge amazonian tributary tanks and how many tons of soft water
and drift wood they'll need.

I won't even mention discus keepers.

Bottom line: If you're a serious fish keeper of any kind you're at
least on the lunatic fringe if not outright barking mad.

-- 
Keith Rogers
krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: @watson.ibm.com
Subject:  Aquarium Backings
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:48:15 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Local stores don't have too much in the way of attractive backings for
tanks (so you don't see to the boring white wall behind the tank).
Has anyone come up with ideas for home-made backings that look nice?
Thanks, Cliff
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: lee@coredump.npac.syr.edu (Lee C Brink)
Subject: Re: [F] Setup for plants and fish
In-reply-to: denise@pprg.eece.unm.edu's message of Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:54:18 GMT
Organization: Northeast Parallel Architectures Center (NPAC)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:38:15 EDT



   First, I am not who the header says I am. I am borrowing this acct
   as our newsposter is sick. I am

			   boggs@agps.lanl.gov



   OK, I have come to the conclusion that if I want to have plants in my tank,
   and have them do well, then I must do away with my UGF.  How do I do this?

   Can I move the current inhabitants of my tank: 2 blue rams, 4 discus,
   1/2 doz otos, & a clown loach into a bucket and siphon off most of the water
   out of my 55 gallon tank then push all the gravel to one side, remove the
   plate,then move all the gravel to the other side and remove the other plate?

   What is going to happen to the bacteria living there?


If I'm correct, nothing.  I have read in several books that it takes several
hours for the bacteria to die.  You should not have any noticable bateria 
loss.

Also, depending on all the mulm under the plate, you might need to pull the
gravel out & rinse it.  Use dechlorinated water, and again there should be
no problem.


   Then what do I do for the substrate? I have had mail from those who use
   potting soil, sand, gravel, etc...  If you use sand, where do you get it?
   Just any old sand?  I'll be getting a load of sand for my dog run. Is this
   sand OK?  And how do you keep the sand from being siphoned up when you
   vaccuum the bottom of the aquarium?  Recommendations for how to set this up
   are welcome, encouraged, begged for!


  Sandblasting gravel has been recommended many times on the net.  The granuals
are only (Ballpark figure coming up :-) about 10mm.  Anything finer and
you'll have to worry about the sand compacting.


   Will a whisper 3 external power filter be enough filtration for a 55? 
   Or will I need to add another EPF or what?


  My experience with a whisper 3 is that it is not enough for a 55g.  IMO, it
is not good for tanks over 30g.  I would recommend an Aquaclear 500, and you
don't even have to buy replacement cartridges for it (Or at least until the
sponge is useless).


   Will I also need to add another light strip?  I have one strip that goes
   across the lenght of the aquariam with triton bulbs.


  2 40w bulbs should be more than enough light for a 55g.


	      boggs@agps.lanl.gov


  Please note that I do not have nearly the experience that many of the people
out on the net have, but I do try to keep my information as accurate as 
possible.

     Lee

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From: thk@sgi.com (Tom Kong)
Subject: Re: [M][R]  Small Reef Tanks
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:40:03 GMT

In article <65732@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards ) writes:
>I would like to hear from anyone out there with *small* reef tanks.
>(small means <=20 gallons)  The latest(?) AFM has an article by Tullock
>about small reef tanks that is quite interesting.  He recommends (as
>an example) a 20g, 40 watts of light (actinic/ultralume), and a skimmer,
>after that he states that hammer coral, elegance, and tridacnas should do
>OK in it.  He also _recommended_ a Skilter.....  
>

My reef tank is 20gal.  I don't think 40 watts of light is nearly enough
to keep corals.  Although it may be enough to keep live rocks and macroalgaes.
I have 140 watts of light (2*40W HO actinic, 3*20W ultralume),
and at the water surface, I have only 8-10K lux, so I don't think I
have more than 5k lux inside the tank where the corals are.  I have just
bought a 175W metal halide for this tank, it'll be interesting to
see how it eventually turn out.

/tom


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From: bttrrch@rtsg.mot.com (Richard J. Bitter)
Subject: Re: [F] Red Lobster
Keywords: need info
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:40:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.183254.29337@cbfsb.cb.att.com> goo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.m.macauda) writes:
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the net can give me some
>information on a creature I saw today at a local fish     
>store. They had it labelled as a fresh water Red Lobster.
>It was about 6 inches long with a mottled red shell.
>
> Would this beast be compatible with some small African
>cichlids? Where does it come from? What environmental
>and dietary requirements does it have? I want one but
>not at the expense of disrupting my current population
>or risking it's life and $9.99.
>
>Thanks,
>Frank Macauda
>
Frank--
	my girlfriend had one of these. As for your questions:
1) I don't know of any fish that this would have problems with, it does
	have a fairly hard shell. (I would not recommend keeping one with
	a crayfish, however)
2) My girlfriend kept hers in a 27 gal hex (think i got the gallons right),
	at about 74F, I did just fine.  As for food, She was feeding it
	an ordinary pellet food. Just drop the pellet(s) near the lobster,
	they don't move too fast, and it may take him/her several minutes
	to find the food.
3) The lobster was kept with very young livebearing fish and an elephant nose.
	(The elephant nose only lasted a few weeks, but the lobster did not
	kill it!)  The lobster made no attacks on any of the fish.
4) $9.99 is probably not too bad of a price, the girlfriend got hers for about
	$9.00
			Rick