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From: gregg@ncsu.b24a.ingr.com (Gregg Phillips)
Subject: Re: Edward R. Hamilton Bookseller
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:30:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.152656.14443@news.Hawaii.Edu>, 
jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jon Ciliberto) writes:
|> Has anyone had any experience with Edward R. Hamilton Booksellers?
|> I've received two catalogs of his, and I think i'll place an order
|> (he carries |> remainders, it seems; all new, mostly hardcovers). Any
|> comments good or bad on this vendor would be much appreciated...
|> 
|> --

I've ordered from Hamilton several times, and I've not been disappointed
so far.  I always receive my order about a week ahead of when I'd
mentally prepared for its arrival.  It's just like Christmas.  I'm
hooked.

GP

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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Talk Of The Town
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:48:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <CB.92Oct2111328@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>just think of Ved Mehta's Proust-but-without-the-talent
>endless cataloguing of dust specks in his navel.

Speaking of Ved Mehta, here's something that's been plaguing me a while. 
I've been reading one of his books on India, in which he vividly describes
the way everything and everyone looks, including facial expressions
("eyebrows raised, he asked me ...").

My question:  Isn't this man _blind_?  Since he was, what, four years old?
What is this, anyway?  Does he bring someone along with him on these
excursions and get debriefed on the colors and contours of the horizon?



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:34:03 GMT


sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) writes:
 
> It's bonkers because Shakespeare's English is now 375 or so years old.
> Why should we be expecting 14-year-olds to comprehend it?  It's no
> wonder so many people dislike reading, and never go to the theatre.
> Personally, I'd be quite happy to see Shakespeare completely taken out
> of high school curricula, except for advanced (special) classes and -
> perhaps - university-qualification level senior classes.
 
Poor Ms. Fysh seems to be taking a lot of heat for her statements.  Statements
which I assumed were obviously a joke.
 
Given that she has an English Department address, I have just got to assume
that she is joking, and is having quite a laugh at all of us for taking her
seriously.  After all, what member of an English Department would SERIOUSLY
consider banning Shakespeare until one was a senior in college.
 
Mark
From: grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Native American Indian novels
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:51:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Andre P. Ozrout

rahim writes:
>Could someone recommed some Native American Indian novels, in 
>which native spirituality is encountered.

_Okla Hannali_ by R.A. Lafferty. He's not Native himself but has
a lot of respect and understanding for Native ways, also sympathy
for the comic side of Native storytelling.

Oh yes: ISBN 0-8061-2349-4

...and it's the same Lafferty who writes science fiction.



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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Books as decoration?
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:22:11 GMT


rsdean@apgea.army.mil (Robert S. Dean <rsdean>) writes:
 
> in the last year or so I got copies of Robert Louis Stevenson's
> _The Black Arrow_ with the N.C. Wyeth illustrations which had a
> number of uncut pages, and of Sir Charles Oman's _The Byzantine Empire_.
> The latter was published around 1891, and more than 2/3rds of the pages
> were uncut (vagaries in the binding methods, you know).
 
Reading this was like tasting a madeleine.  Images of the Brandywine River
Museum flow through my mind -- just as the Brandywine flows through Chadds
Ford, PA.  Walking through the galleries, looking at the work of three
generations of Wyeths, I was young and in love.  The leaves were turning,
and the intense color added to my excitement.
 
A block away stood the house of a stange man -- a pack-rat who had saved
everything he had ever acquired.  What was his name -- Christian Something,
Something Christian.  He wrote a short story called (I believe) "The Hessian."
He owned a watercolor by Andrew Wyeth -- the only one I've ever seen.
 
But what I remember most is that I was young and in love.
 
I still have a poster from that exhibit.  It is of N. C. Wyeth's WINTER --
a constant reminder of why I can never again live in Minnesota, and that
love does not die, though it passes through many phases.
 
Mark
 
 
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From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: Edward R. Hamilton Bookseller
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:18:18 GMT


Am I the only one who actually *likes* the chaotic layout of the Edward
R. Hamilton catalog?  Sure, it makes it tough to find something, but in
browsing one can discover interesting possibilities and spend much more
money.  I think of it as something like looking through the dustier stacks
in the Brattle Book Shop or the Berkeley Book Consortium where you never
know what might leap out at you shouting "buy me, buy me."  And I don't
even have to get my hands dusty this way.

Miriam Nadel
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper)
Subject: Re: Dashiell Hammett
Keywords: Red Harvest
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:43:37 GMT

In article <Oct.2.20.50.48.1992.27706@gandalf.rutgers.edu> patricka@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Patrick Anderson) writes:
>
>In Red Harvest, the character Dan Rolff is referred to as a "lunger".
>What does this mean?

It means that he suffered from tuberculosis, and had gone West in hopes
that the climate would cure him, or at least prolong his life.

Great book, isn't it?

Now, can anyone tell me what the insult "fish eater" from the same book
means?

-- 
Douglas Harper | harper@oracorp.com | +1 (607) 277-2020
From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Golding's _The Spire_ query
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:29:16 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:

>>Some time ago I read William Golding's _The Spire_.  I want to re-read
>>it but I've been told, or read somewhere, that to really grasp what
>>he's doing you need a knowledge of cathedral architecture.
>
>	I know zero about this work, but *cathedral architecture?*
>	Do you mean the medieval Notre Dame type of cathedral with
>	lacy light filled vaulted ceiling interiors and exo-skeletal
>	flying buttress exteriors?  In any case, I do recall a PBS
>	series on the building of a medieval cathedral, and there
>	was a companion volume; perhaps this would suit you.  I
>	believe the title is simply _Cathedral_.
>
>	And I must ask -- can you give me a two or more line
>	description of the novel?  My interest is piqued.

     
     All the architecture you really need is some definitions of technical
terms, which you can pick up from Bannister-Fletcher, the one volume history
of architecture that all first-year arch students read.  (Any reference
section will have it.)  _The Spire_ is about hubris: the p.o.v. character
is attempting to push through a large building project on a physically
insecure foundation (metaphor alert ;-) and rather thoroughly confuses faith
that God will see the project through with pride and stubbornness, and the
glory of the Almighty with his own glory.

                                               -- jf
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:17039 rec.arts.poems:9443
From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: Julian of Norwich
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:04:43 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:


> I've been thumbing, just now, through my books on the history of
> hysteria, and although they cover the pre-Raphaelite fascination with
> this type of "illness" (in quotes because: who's to say it's illness?)
> they don't mention the popularity of Julian's _Revelation_ in the
> late 19th century.  I'd be curious to hear more about the impact of
> Julian's imagery on the art of that time...

     Who's to say it's hysteria?  Unless you're prepared to lump together
all mysticism from Lao Tzu to St. John of the Cross as forms of hysteria.
Domna Julian gives to my mind a tightly knit synthesis of mystical experience
and theological doctrine that is a good deal more intellectually arresting
than it is pre-PreRaphaelite (though you may be right about this last.)

     If you're looking for hysteria consider Margery Kempe (another 
Englishwoman.)  She habitually uttered loud cries while in ecstasy; she
believed herself mystically wedded (in explicit ceremony) to God the Father.
Once at Mass at the elevation of the host she saw the host "flutter like a
dove" and took this as an omen of an earthquake (nope, no earthquake.) She
heard the Holy Ghost sing (it sang like a robin.)

     I don't think there's very much lasting value in Kempe's exaggerations
and suggestibility (beyond the value inherent in any example of genuine
sincerity, anyway.)  But I approach Domna Julian with the utmost respect.
I am not, incidentally, Catholic or even particularly theist.  Nevertheless
Julian of Norwich is hot stuff.
                                                     -- jf
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:35:13 GMT

Tim Starr writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		Tim Starr writes:

			Barbara Hlavin writes:

				Norman Mailer is an intellectual vampire 
				bitch.  (But at least he can think his 
				way out of a paper bag, and jesus can he 
				write.) 

			Paglia ain't stupid either, no matter if she 
			disagrees with you or whomever.  I don't agree 
			with her completely (albeit probably more than 
			most), but I don't have to resort to calling her 
			stupid because of this.  

		Where did Barbara call Miss Paglia stupid?

	Right where she wrote: "... at least he can think his way out of 
	a paper bag..." The implication that Paglia can't is quite clear, 
	don't you think?

Quite clear. But I still do not hear Barbara saying that CP is stupid.

		It is a fact that she has a disjointed, staccato style 
		that does not smoothly flow from thought to thought in 
		a conventional, "logical" way. Personally, I like her 
		dyslectic writing -- maybe because it matches the way I 
		think.

	Who, Barbara or Camille?  I don't know about the former, but I 
	agree with you if you were referring to the latter.

Why, Camille of course. So, we are somewhat in agreement. I can imagine
hearing The Pagger described, variously, as being neo-Conservative and 
neo-Radical -- by persons from the Left and Right respectively. Does it
make sense to see her wearing Germaine de Stael's cloak?

						Fido	
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney)
Subject: Re: Books in the time of school
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Summary: my answer
Keywords: books, secondary school, espirit
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:45:15 GMT

>In article <1992Oct3.175258.25914@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>As for books: I have an old habit of asking people "What's the book
>that got you through high school?"--you know, the book that
>kept you going, made you strong; that you re-read when in need of bucking up,
>perhaps even returned to in college like a teddy bear once in a
>while, maybe even occasionally now . . .

	Camus' PLAGUE.  Although it was of profound existential 
"comfort" (like a granite pillow) in high school, I can't say that
I've opened it or the original French in some time now.  These 
days, in a sort of perverse anti-comfort, I delight to Gilgamesh's
agony over Enkidu or revel in Achilles' thumping of Hektor (although
I do usually go on to read the Achilles-Priam reconciliation, too).

Cordially,

Michael S. Rooney
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Books in the time of school
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:03:08 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
> As for books: I have an old habit of asking people "What's the book that
> got you through high school?"--you know, the book that kept you going,
> made you strong; that you re-read when in need of bucking up, perhaps
> even returned to in college like a teddy bear once in a while, maybe even
> occasionally now . . .

Freud's "The Interpretation of Dreams".  I couldn't have put my finger on
exactly what it was that made it so significant at the time, but looking
back it may have been that I was growing up in a small city with not very
much information about the outside world, and no immediate prospect of
getting it, with an uneasy sensation that most of what I was being told was
lies.  My own dreams, like mathematics, were something I could put some
sort of Cartesian reliance on; and it was amazing what other people were
prepared to tell me if I asked about theirs.  Freud's model fitted a heck
of a lot of them with hilarious accuracy.  This was the book I took into my
periods of being detained for refusing to do the school's military cadet
training.

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From: lucyc@suite.sw.oz.au (Lucy Chubb)
Subject: Re: Books in the time of love
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  7 Oct 92 01:38:28 GMT

From article <91407@netnews.upenn.edu>, by crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford):

> Here's a related topic:
> 
> My sweetie (nice term, that) and I are reading through "The Chronicles of
> Narnia" together.  What books have you all read with your sweet patooty? 
> What books read well with another person?  What effect, if any, did doing
> this have on the relationship?  

These are some of the books my husband and I have read to each
other over the last few months:

	Lindsay		The Magic Pudding
	Milne		The House at Pooh Corner
	Milne		Winnie the Pooh
	Dante		Divine Comedy (Hell)
	Jansen		Finn Family Moomintroll
	miscellaneous poetry by people like Donne and anon.

In addition, my husband is reading Anatomy of Melancholy to himself,
but he is loving it so much that he keeps having to read bits to me
as he goes. The book I enjoyed reading to each other the most is The
Faire Queen.

Both of us love reading and reading to each other is a marvellous
way of spending time together (we don't have a TV, and I personally
find TV a waste of time compared with reading).

There are many childrens books that read well aloud and of poetry is
much better read aloud to get the feel of the language. We are both
keen on medieaval literature but are not terribly good with the
language yet. Reading medieaval english out aloud makes it much easier
to guess the meanings of some of the words with more "interesting"
spelling.

		Lucy Chubb.

Softway Pty Ltd,		Phone: +61 2 698 2322;
P.O. Box 305,			Fax: +61 2 699 9174;
Strawberry Hills,		Email: lucyc@softway.oz.au
NSW 2012,
AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Baseball (was: Re: Attractiveness (was: Re: She's baaaaack)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:08:05 GMT

In article <6OCT92.22564320@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>A book that I've been tempted to recommend to the stat-heads on
>rec.sport.baseball is FOUL BALL, by Alison Gordon, the first woman sports-
>writer to be a regular beat reporter (in Toronto, for the Blue Jays).
>It's the story of her trials and tribulations being accepted into the
>man's world of baseball.  She was covering the Blue Jays when Bill James'
>first Baseball Abstract book was published, and she says all the ballplayers
>sat around reading it and yelling, "What a crock of shit!  This guy knows
>NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL!!!"  But I don't want to burst any stat-head balloons --
>they're happy in their ignorance.

Ignorance of what?  That baseball players aren't the most analytical types
on the face of the earth?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof - New words!!
Date: 3 Oct 1992 09:57:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

sjm@cocamrd.mel.cocam.oz.au (John Machin) writes:

>In article <1992Sep25.135249.15521@athena.cs.uga.edu> fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
>|wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) oozes:
>|
>|
>|> Ain't that sweet ?
>|
>|
>|     Oh, I have a little demon, tra la la, that scans the netnoise, mmmmmm
>|hmmmmm, and zaps articles based on *any* imbedded text, rum te tum tum, so
>|much better than a kill file, not only do I never see 'em, *nobody* does.

[...]

F-p J.F-s:
>|(Westrn, forsooth.)  That should flush most of it.  As for the physical
>|presence of the unlovely object, ah reckon Westrn Australia is just about
>|far enough away.  As long as it stays there.

JM:
>Incoming! Incoming! Recent infidel sightings on eastern seaboard of oz!!!
>Destination unknown but could be heading us-wards.

>On the other hand, given that yank technology & systems may have been used in
>sightings, may not be infidel but merely the moon rising or a gaggle of geese...

... or Fuller's little demon, tra-la-la.


I.



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From: rxm@vortex (Robert I McLachlan)
Subject: Wind, Sand, and Stars
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:25:31 GMT

Time to give something back to r.a.b. after lurking all these months. This
is from _Wind, Sand, and Stars_ by Saint-Exupery. There is a kind of book
of ideas, or of simple philosophising, that depends on some chemistry
with the reader, so that people will disagree more over whether they
thought it was any good (e.g. Milan Kundera?). Having said that, I liked
this book.

Saint-Exupery & a companion are lost in the fog above Africa...

      And with that we knew ourselves to be lost in interplanetary space among
   a thousand inaccessible planets, we who sought only the one veritable planet,
   our own, that planet on which alone we should find our familiar countryside,
   the houses of our friends, our treasures.
      On which alone we should find... Let me draw the picture that took shape
   before my eyes. It will seem to you childish; but even in the midst of
   danger a man retains his human concerns. I was thirsty and hungry. If we did
   find Cisneros we should refuel and carry on to Casablanca, and there we 
   should come down in the cool of daybreak, free to idle the hours away. 
   Neri and I would go into town. We would go to a little pub already open 
   despite the early hour. Safe and sound, Neri and I would sit down at table 
   and laugh at the night of danger as we ate our warm rolls and drank our 
   bowls of coffee and hot milk. We would receive this matutinal gift at the 
   hands of life. Even as an old peasant woman recognizes her God in a painted 
   image, so life would speak to us in its humblest language in order that we 
   understand. The joy of living, I say, was summed up for me in the remembered
   sensation of that first burning and aromatic swallow, that mixture of milk 
   and coffee and bread by which men hold communion with tranquil pastures, 
   exotic plantations, and golden harvests, communion with the earth. Amidst 
   all these stars there was but one that could make itself significant for us 
   by composing this aromatic bowl that was its daily gift at dawn. And from 
   that earth of men, that earth docile to the reaping of grain and the 
   harvesting of the grape, bearing its rivers asleep in their fields, its 
   villages clinging to their hillsides, our ship was separated by astronomical 
   distances. All the treasures of the world were summed up in a grain of dust 
   now blown far out of our path by the very destiny itself of dust and of the 
   orbs of night.
   

Robert McLachlan

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written
From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: Notes on Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:33:24 GMT

In article <s891961.717671649@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s891961@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Peter David Cupit) writes:
>mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett) writes:
>>As for social engineering-- my goodness, we can't even predict the
>>weather.
>  The weather is not the same kind of a system as a large group of people,
>  advertising wouldn't work if people were not predictable.
> ...
>  I also think that some organization ie Greenpeace use things like the 
>  Greenhouse effect (which -to the best of my knowledge- is a) not
>  happening and b) not agreed upon as a possibillity since all the model
>  show different results) to manipulate large groups of people.

As to the first, advertising only *attempts* to work.  Sometimes it does.

As to the second, the example that Greenpeace can sway people can be
contrasted with a belief (implicit in the assertion) that their opponents
can not.

If these are examples of social engineering, they (a) are not on the
same scale as that discussed, and (b) are only examples of successes
that are not necessarily related to the solidity of the so-called
science of said social engineering -- one can find plenty of examples
of the same kind of social engineering that fails.

The analogy of weather forecasting to social engineering is that both
weather and societies behave in aggregate fashions that are formed by
smaller component actions.  Components of weather obey physical laws;
individuals of society have free will: predicting the former by perfect
knowledge of those laws, or guiding the latter by prefect manipulation
of those wills, are both problems that are loosely related by their
macro-vs-micro nature.  No other direct comparison was implied.


>  I think our society is manipulated from behind the scenes mainly by
>  multi-national corporations who appear to me to have long-term
>  plans and appear to me to work as separate states who need to
>  manipulate society to exist but are only guided from within.

Hmmm.

-mm-
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From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: literature students
Date: 29 Sep 1992 07:48:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au


If Barclay is frustrated by wet-behind-the-ears uni students, why
doesn't she do the sensible thing and get out and meet the people of her
calibre ? Travel to asia, for instance. 

Sounds to me like Barclay's procrastinating her life. And her soul's
letting her know about it.


John W.
Melbourne, Australia.