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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony and Morality
Keywords: teenage, light amusement, silliness
Date: 3 Sep 1992 21:21:27 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep3.164739.8259@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis) writes:
>swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
>>  The one with Jenny Elf sure seemed like a juvenile to me. Ditto
>>for "Dragon on a Pedestal" and "Ogre, Ogre."
>
>So this actually is your own personal designation?

  Yep. The characters and their problems seem simple. 

>I didn't think teenagers considered themselves children :-].  They certainly
>are considered adults in English class when they are given some pretty
>complex classics to read.

  Go into the local bookstore, and look at the "teen reading" section.
The stuff there makes most fantasy look deep. Sure they can read deeper
stuff, but most of them won't unless you force them to.

>What I am saying is that children don't have the ability to understand puns
>and satire unless it is really broad and even then they don't find it as
>much fun as adults do.

  I never considered Xanth that much of a satire. It was just enjoyable
fantasy with some light humor.

>>  I, on the other hand pretty much gave up on Xanth after "Dragon on a
>>Pedestal.
>
>I think you must have a less silly sense of humor than I do.  I freely admit
>to liking lots of silliness.  The Xanth series tends to be heavy on silly.

  No it's not. Diskworld's moderately silly. The Myth series is also
fairly silly. Sam & Max is heavily silly!
"Where do you keep that rope Max?"

>
>                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
  Why not?


-- 
Mike Swaim            | I can see clearly now my brain is gone.
swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | I can see all the bicycles in my way.
Rupp doesn't even know who I am,
 much less care what I think
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: u920065@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Dean Bailey)
Subject: Steppe-one of his finest?
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:34:29 GMT

I have been reading quite a bit about how people have become dis illusioned 
with Piers Anthony as a novelist.  I too must admit that I have been passing
up some of his work in favour for other authors.

But while browsing through a second hand bookshop I discovered an old novel 
of his called steppe.  After a few seconds of consideration I decided to give 
it  a try.  Well i am glad that I did.  It is nothing like his later books 
that are overly filled with sex and vulgar connitations.  This is just a good 
read that does have some sex in it but not enough to over run the story.

Basically the plot is this.  A native was taken out of his own time stream 
to give a bunch of guys a edge in a future istic game called the GAME.  
The game involve the reenactment of history where players buys role. 
Well the hero escapes from his captures and enters the game.  He does this 
so that he can earn enough credits to by citizenship by using his knowledge 
of what will happen.

Does he succeed? To find out read the book.

I hope you enjoy it


Dean Bailey
Uni of Tasmania 

u920065@postoffice.utas.edu.au


(-:
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 11:30:34 -0400 
From: Matthew A Kagle <mk52+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Sex and Anthony

   I have not read Anthony in a number of years for the sole reason that
his writing has begun to slide.  For example, he wrote the first three
"Apprentice Adept" books and they were wonderful.  Then he decided to
write another three and they were terrible.  But that's beside the
point, I am writing this to explain my observations.

    Piers Anthony has two femal stereotypes that he pursues ad nauseum,
the immature girl and the woman who changes.  There are dozens of
examples of Anthony's desire to sleep with under-aged women: And
Eternity where the young girl has sex with the old statesman, Bio of a
Space Tyrant (Vol. 4) where the young girl has sex with the old tyrant,
etc....  My grandfather writes dirty books like this and nobody
publishes them.  How does Anthony get away with it?

    The woman who changes is a bit more prevalent.  This is any woman
who changes appearance and, therefore, allows her lover to sleep around
without having sex with different women.  Examples: Xanth
(book1-Chameleon), Bio of a Space Tyrant (Vol 5 - that woman who uses
makeup to appear to be different women), Apprentice Adept (okay, she
turns into a horse, but the intent is still there), etc...

    This doesn't even touch on all of the times he defends both of these
concepts in long preachy speeches.  Anyway, I'm not intending to condemn
him, I just am pointing things out.  Don't get angry at me!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: Piers Anthony and Morality
Keywords: moral, teenage, emotionally retarded
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:47:39 GMT

swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.143728.1801@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis) writes:
>>When was the designation "children's books" applied to the Xanth series!!!???

>  The one with Jenny Elf sure seemed like a juvenile to me. Ditto
>for "Dragon on a Pedestal" and "Ogre, Ogre."

So this actually is your own personal designation?

>  Ditto for Willie Wonka. (Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.)
>>Only an adult (who is not humor impaired) would understand an enjoy the
>>majority of the puns that riddle the Xanth series.

>  I was a teenager when the books came out, and I had no problem getting
>the puns. But then I read Illuminatus! in Jr. High.
>>After reading A Spell for Cameleon, I tried to read/tell the story to a
>>group of gifted 5th graders.  While they were able to enjoy the story, they
>>totally missed the best of the puns and the satire.

I didn't think teenagers considered themselves children :-].  They certainly
are considered adults in English class when they are given some pretty
complex classics to read.

>  Spell for Chameleon's also probably the best and most complex book in
>the series. You probably would have done a lot better with "Nightmare"
>or "Dragon on a Pedestal."

I suspect you are correct.  However, I had changed to a career that paid
better by the time those two books came out.

>>Are you saying here that any book that features children as main characters
>>is a children's book?  I admit to being quite puzzled as to your criteria
>>for adult literature as opposed to children's literature. 

>  Children's literature doesn't have to be simplistic, you know. The series
>appears to be written about and for young people. That doesn't have to
>make it tripe.

The best children's literature is anything but simplistic.  I believe that
kids get bored with books that are too simplistic.  I think that is why even
second graders loved having stories like "The Hobbit" told to them.

What I am saying is that children don't have the ability to understand puns
and satire unless it is really broad and even then they don't find it as
much fun as adults do.  I was careful never to use sarcasm with kids unless
it was so broad that there was no chance they would take me literally.  Kids
are just too literal minded for most of PAs stuff.

>>And yes, I admit to being a rabid Xanth fan and not a rabid Piers Anthony
>>fan.  I hated Bio of a Space Tyrant.

>  I, on the other hand pretty much gave up on Xanth after "Dragon on a
>Pedestal.

I think you must have a less silly sense of humor than I do.  I freely admit
to liking lots of silliness.  The Xanth series tends to be heavy on silly.

Barb
-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: ia92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Furrlough stuff
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:53:01 GMT

Christian Wagner -

Jerry Collins has made noises to the effect that he might do a Bambioids
story for Furrlough, but that's still in the 'rumor' stage.  Even so,
the earliest it would appear is issue 7 (March), because the next two
issues are tentatively full right now (and subject to change at any moment).

No, no issues of LFIH have come out.  MU Press was planning to publish
two issues, but that deal fell through months ago.  Right now, LFIH is
scheduled to appear in FURRLOUGH in a future issue (7? 8?), or possibly
as its own two-issue miniseries.  Same writer, different artist (you'd
be surprised at just *who* has expressed interest in doing the char.
designs and pencils - it's someone who's name has not come up yet).
Stay tuned for more details...

Oh, BTW, the tentative schedule for issue 5:
At the Mercy of Love, final part - Riley, 10 pages
GRAVIA AVSPICIA, part 2 (name to change soon) - Joe Rosales, 8 pages
False Flag - Chuck Dillon, 6-8 pages
cover by Phil Morrissey

tentative for issue 6:
GRAVIA AVSPICIA, part 3 - Joe Rosales, 8-10 pages
Officer Talk, part 1 - Riley, 6 pages
Panzerbabes blimp info - Sutton/Howell/Blake, 2 pages
private eye story (name forgotten) - Chuck Blades, James Hanrahan, 8 pages
cover - undecided yet.  Riley was scheduled to do this cover, but
  the changes in his current story line made that difficult.

issue 5 will be out in November.  Issue 6 will come out in January
  (right before Wild Life Tales #1).

Cheers,

  - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu)

"Furrlough - it's Jackalicious!"
From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Deal Whitely
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 30 Aug 92  20:57:41

A bit of unfortunate news just in from Ray Rooney, that Deal Whitely has just 
died of heart problems.

"We mourn, but we go on"
 

--- msged 2.06
From: Damian.Cugley@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: New names for Damian's pictures on tezuka?
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:10:20 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, Oxford University, UK

I notice that a large number of the massive backlog of image files on
the tezuka have been transferred from the "uploads" directory to the
"?-?"  directories.  In the process some of my image files seem to have
been renamed, clobbering others ("beach-b" -> "beach", clobbering old
"beach").  I'm not complaining, but this has given me pause for thought.

The original logic behind having files called foo and foo-b (and, later,
foo-fancy) was that foo would be the image to download by default,
unless you had a one-bit-deep display (in which case you'd want foo-b)
or you had a lot of disc space needing filling (in which case you would
download foo-fancy).  But if the archivers decide that they want the
bitmap version to be the "default" image, they have to rename "foo" or
discard it.  And renaming images makes the listings files less useful.

I've decided to try out a new scheme for my image files that uses the
same length suffix for each version of the same image, so that none of
them are the "default".  That way is someone wants to omit what they see
as a redundant version, those that remain need not be renamed.  While
I'm at it, each one will be numbered, even if there's only one in their
series ("to allow for future expansion").  For example:
	slate-b-pdc.gif becomes slate-01b-pdc.gif
	slate-pdc.gif   becomes slate-01g-pdc.gif
	beach-*pdc.gif  become  slate-02[bgc]-pdc.gif

This does require work on the part of the archivers -- and anyone else
who's download the files -- to hunt down the files and rename them, if
we are to avoid a lot of confusion.  So, before I commit myself to this
change, I'd be interested to see what other people think.

Damian

PS. What happened to the convention of having text files in misc_text?
No-one is going to find readme-pdc.txt where is is now...
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Harrumph.
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:06:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <920827.052727.CDT.MHIGH@vm1.tucc.trinity.edu> MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!") writes:
>Furrlough #4 came out a few weeks ago.  Has it arrived in your local
>  comics store(s)?  If so, what do you think?  What did you like? What
>  did you hate?  Inquiring (editorial) minds want to know!

Interesting; would have preferred more actual stories rather than those "design
sheets" (or whatever) filling 1/3 of the issue. Liked the ads for other 
publications, too. 

>-"Attention:  Due to high demand on certain supplies, there will be no sliced-
>  cucumber salad at mess tonight."  - LFIH #1, p. 8

ROFL....... Seriously, tho, have -any- issues of LFIH come out? (If you'll 
pardon the expression......) It was hard to tell from the discussions earlier
exactly what the situation was, if one didn't know beforehand.......


-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: disney afternoon's fa
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:34:22 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

DUCAN>sooner.  GOOF TROOP will be the newest addition to the lineup, bumping the
DUCAN>currently running series DuckTales.  Incidentally, Rescue Rangers was supp
DUCAN>to have been bumped, but for some reason (don't ask me why because I don't
DUCAN>know), DuckTales will now be bumped from the lineup.

     "Rescue Rangers" will get the axe next year, to be replaced by another
     Disney series - probably a daily version of its upcoming Saturday
     series "Raw Toonage."

     Would Roger Rabbit's marriage to Jessica be considered truly
     "furry?"  :)
---
  SLMR 2.1a  USA Today: For people who find TV news too complex.
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Tezuka comments
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:55:58 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

Recently I noticed some uploads to the Tezuka FTP site.  Someone
apparently went on a digitizing spree and uploaded the results.  While I
like furry graphics as much as the next guy, I have some comments to
make:

1.  The pictures were all in uncompressed TIFF format.  While this is
the most readable type of TIFF file, compression should have been used
to keep from using up disk space.  Tezuka does not have a lot of
resources.  Uploaders should use a compressed TIFF format, or GIF, or
JPEG (if warranted), in order to keep file transfer times and disk space
usage down.

2.  Apparently the pictures were digitized directly from various Albedo
issues.  This artwork is all copyrighted by S. A. Gallacci, and I'll
wager that it was uploaded without his permission.  This is not a good
thing to be doing.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE         | Fuzzy Fox                  fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0   | a.k.a. David DeSimone      an207@cleveland.freenet.edu
#define  FALSE  1   |
#endif              |         How's my posting?  Call 1-800-ALT-FLAME
From: mauser@INTERCON.COM (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Bud-nipping
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:30:54 GMT

Looks like it's time for the second annual "I've lost my job but no, it's not 
going to affect Gallery Publication" post.

Yup, I done lost my job again.  At least this time it wasn't just after using 
up all my vacation time.

Last time this happened, SOMEONE started a rumor that Gallery was going belly-
up because I lost my job.  It wasn't true then, and it won't be true this 
time either.  Gallery's finances and mine are completely separate.

That also means that buying Gallery won't help me out, but hey, that's life.  
If nothing else, I'll be able to get to your order faster though. :-)

Now if you happen to know of a job for a Mac Programmer, preferably one where 
I wouldn't have to move, this e-mail address will still be good for a while.
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (GREYWOLF)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Coming Real Soon Now...
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:24:40 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <alberti.715235186@epx.cis.umn.edu>, alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> In <1992Aug31.014512.11519@u.washington.edu> fizzit@milton.u.washington.edu (Fred Sloniker) writes:
> 
>>Ahem.  As those of you who keep up with the Tezuka picture site know, the
>>management has recently made a major update of the directories, making the
>>Updates directory practically empty compared to its former state, elimin-
>>ating some pictures and renaming others.
> 
> Thank the powers that be!  I have a bunch of monochrome video frames 
> (grabbed with my Matrox PIP-512 video board) that I wanted to upload, but
> I didn't want to do it until someone cleaned up the Tezuka site. 
> 
> Your file list sounds like a good idea--I'm looking forward to it!

Same here!  I have a file (Greywolf.txt) I uploaded that should detail which
pix are by myself, and would be happy to answer any questions about them
(except for dimensions and such -- I don't know, since Fuzzy@netcom.com
digitized them for me).  Also, tp-listing.txt covers a bunch of gifs that are
related to the Tai-Pan Project, many (but not all) of which are of my work. 
(For those that don't know, Tai-Pan is a furry/sf shared-universe anthology
'zine with contributors including such folks as Chuck Melville, Terrie Smith,
Anthony Waters, Edd Vick, Paula Schricker, Conrad Wong and others...)

-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: MHIGH@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU ("net.spy!")
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Harrumph.
Summary: This is a bit of a test to see if ucbvax is working ok
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:27:27 GMT
Organization: WWWA: Bureau of Technological Regulation (BTR)

Just when things seem to be going your way....

As noted in an earlier post, I plan to start up the Furry General
  Store messages that dominated this newsgroup for much of last year.
  After much digging, I *finally* found the box of disks that had all
  the old messages on 'em.

However, in the process of going from computer to computer to computer,
  something happened.  A good 10-20% of all the messages are pure
  gobblety-gook, and all the formatting is gone.  So, I'm in the process
  of cleaning up some 500K of data, so that may take some time.

Luckily, some of it was already saved, from last semester, in a cleaner
  format, on one of my user accounts.  All the data - some 1.5 Megs of it -
  was there on Sunday.  I checked again a couple hours ago, and it was
  all wiped.  Thanks, friendly Sysop.  (no user root directory my a**)

I'll see what I can salvage from my backup disks.  *sigh*  But, rest
  assured, the FGS messages WILL return.
-----------------------

On a TOTALLY unrelated note (just to see if *anyone* was insane enough
  to read this far), I have a couple of questions:

Furrlough #4 came out a few weeks ago.  Has it arrived in your local
  comics store(s)?  If so, what do you think?  What did you like? What
  did you hate?  Inquiring (editorial) minds want to know!

Don't underestimate the power of commentaries about comics on the net!
  We pay extremely close attention to what is said here and on other nets
  about FURRLOUGH.  It is one of our main methods of feedback (letters of
  comment being the next most important).

Cheers,
_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'-_ .-_-'
net.spy!, aka Aleph Null |  email address:  bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu
 aka Matthew High        |  GEnie:  M.HIGH   Fidonet:  NUL BBS (1/387:255)
 (512) 340-2345          |  Ask me about WILDLIFE APAzine #1
-"Attention:  Due to high demand on certain supplies, there will be no sliced-
  cucumber salad at mess tonight."  - LFIH #1, p. 8
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: DFF furry party reviz
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 30 Aug 92  19:58:27

On <Aug 30 15:04>, Rick Ellis (1:103/208@fidonet) wrote to All:


 RE>The gateway was having problems for a few days.  It seems that 
 RE>the new version of compress I installed liked doing things like 
 RE>the above.

It did that to some FILK messages too.  Mercifully, I THINK you stopped it
before folks started putting 'em to music.... :-> 

--- msged 2.06
From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: DFF furry party reviz
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:04:45 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992

On <Aug 13 15:04> Nicolai Shapero writes:

 NS> On <Aug 12 16:49>, Fuzzy Fox wrote:

 FF>Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>Mpaatata
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>g
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>N
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>NeNeNewsewsesggr
>P
>P
>1.1.1.f.f.fiidoH3230SSSSSt JJJltn.01H

>P


 FF>Pardon??

 NS> Somehow methinks that the message was garbled in transmission.

 NS> ==========================================
 NS> =Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org=
 NS> ==========================================

The gateway was having problems for a few days.  It seems that the new version 
of compress I installed liked doing things like the above.
From: alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Coming Real Soon Now...
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:26:26 GMT
Organization: Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League
Originator: alberti@epx.cis.umn.edu

In <1992Aug31.014512.11519@u.washington.edu> fizzit@milton.u.washington.edu (Fred Sloniker) writes:

>Ahem.  As those of you who keep up with the Tezuka picture site know, the
>management has recently made a major update of the directories, making the
>Updates directory practically empty compared to its former state, elimin-
>ating some pictures and renaming others.

Thank the powers that be!  I have a bunch of monochrome video frames 
(grabbed with my Matrox PIP-512 video board) that I wanted to upload, but
I didn't want to do it until someone cleaned up the Tezuka site. 

Your file list sounds like a good idea--I'm looking forward to it!

-- 
		Reply to:  avatar@pnet51.orb.mn.org
 "Bowl a strike, not a spare; Revolution everywhere!"  -RABL credo
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: dark@microsoft.com (Dar Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: Coming Real Soon Now...
Date: 01 Sep 92 17:29:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug31.014512.11519@u.washington.edu> fizzit@milton.u.washington.edu (Fred Sloniker) writes:
>and whether or not REFRACTIONS will be coming out Real Soon Now.
     A touch! A touch, I do confess it!
     1/2 :-)
     It REALLY IS COMING OUT REAL SOON NOW. I didn't spend 30 hours last
weekend hunched over a cranky digitizer building special graphic effects
and finding out that yes, my printer really _can_ produce 150 line screens
for nothing... :-)
     (Won't be out by Worldcon, tho'... dammit. LOW ORBIT is out, but
not REFRACTIONS. :-(  Florida didn't print the flexidisks in time anyway,
and we can't finish the books before they're done anyway...)

>At present, I plan to organize each entry in the Guide like this:
     Very cool. :-) Interesting set of ratings. Do you think you'll get away
with talking about X things without the server being shut down?

>"You gotta love Star Wars tech: hyperspace-capable fighters, and not a
     Don't leave us hanging like this! :-)
                                                  - R'ykandar.

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