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From: smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Ricochets and BB's
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:43:16 GMT
Organization: none
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I would like to mention the safety hazard of shooting BB's around
sidewalks and cement areas.  This is a sad, but true story.  We
used to have problems with stray cats where I used to live.  Besides
thinking our backyard was the worlds largest litter box, they used
to fight with our neighbors cats.  Our neighbor's house cats were
no match for these seasoned alley cats.  

To help scare the cats off, I got a good pellet gun.  Note the word
'scare'.  I had plenty of opportunities to shoot the cats, but I 
didn't.  Usually, I would just shoot a BB next to them, and they
would run off.  I never shot at cats wearing collars, because they
probably belonged to someone.  

One time, I shot at this cat by the trash can.  The BB hit the
cement, and bounced up.  Right about then, the cat looked right
at the BB, and got hit in the eye.  The cat ran off, and I didn't
see it again for about a month.  When I did see it, the cat was blinded
in the eye where the BB hit him.  I felt really bad, actually worse
than if I would have just shot the cat and killed it.  I quit shooting
at the cats after that.

BB's are very dangerous around concrete areas.  A human could have
been injured just as easily, or a window could have been broken.  If
I were using lead pellets instead of BB's, it would't have ricochetted 
and the cat would be ok today.
From: kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: TX WMA's  (Houston area)
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:19:53 GMT
Organization: A Glorified, Overheated Swamp
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


   Howdy 

        I was wondering if anyone could provide some opinions 
   on Type I and Type II WMA's.  Particularly, I'm interested
   in comments regarding Type II permits.  Are they worthwhile? 
   Suggestions on other options?  I'm in the Houston area and 
   can not justify $$$ for a lease on my budget - is there any 
   other public land within a couple of hours?  Are any Type 
   II WMA's in the Houston area?  (no more than a 2 hr drive) 

	On a slightly different topic, a friend/co-worker tells 
   me that I "need" a shotgun.  I know that the Remington 870 
   is popular, but I've also heard good things about Mossberg, 
   but not having experience with either weapon (and not being 
   able to spend $$$ like my friend - that budget thing again :-)   
   I'm looking for advice on a reasonably inexpensive 12-guage  
   pump/slide.  How important is being able to use magnum loads?  
   Other comments?  Davis (my friend) has been threatening to 
   take me bird hunting one weekend ever since I mentioned that  
   I've never done so.  

	Thanks. 

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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:43:27 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug26.092325.25108@doug.cae.wisc.edu> randyn@tekig1.pen.tek.com (Randall B Newton) writes:
>I have it very interesting in following the responses to this.  Now.....

>    Bears leave many signs, the most obvious is their smell.  Making noise

I have never noticed an obvious smell and I think that I am usually
pretty alert to smells in the woods. What kind of sign do they leave
that smells so much? I've been around their scat but haven't noticed
much of a smell unless you get really close and then it isn't that
offensive. I guess it might be different if the critter had been
feeding on salmon. Am I missing something?

>Randy Newton
>Fishing and Hunting is the only way to go!!

Thanks Randy.
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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: 30-06 for woodchucks
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:43:48 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I didn't realize that they are that much of a pest and/or are that good-
eatin'.
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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Need first rifle recommendation (multi-purpose)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:11 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug28.112556.24985@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mbh@sdphu3.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington) writes:
>
>I'd like to pick up my first rifle with the intention of learning to hunt
>here in California.  From what I've read, deer tend to be at long
>distances (out West)  and therefore a flat trajectory is desirable.  What
>caliber would rec.hunting readers recommend?

.270
 
It shoots pretty flat and works excellent on deer sized game.
I have taken 47 deer with this caliber and lost only four due
to bad shot placement on my part. The 130 grain soft point is
the bullet I prefer.

>Also, I visit my folks back in Pennsylvania often, and I'd like to do some
>deer hunting back there.  I read in a recent post that autoloaders are
>illegal for hunting in Pennsylvania.  So, I guess that puts some
>limitations on the rifle that I buy, assuming that I want to only get one
>rifle.
>
>Two factors are important to me: the rifle's versatility and cost.  I'm on
>a student budget, so I'm considering buying a used rifle.  What should I
>look for?  Lever action vs. bolt action, caliber, etc... are some of the
>things I need to decide about.
>

Definitely get the bolt action to be legal in Pa. and also for the
inherent accuracy.

As price goes, you should be able to pick up a new Savage 110 for around
$240 or less maybe at a discount store. But you being a student and all,
I would start checking the pawn shops, classifieds, and gun shows in your
area for a good deal on other used brands of rifles. 


>Thanks in advance for the help!
>
>					Regards,
>
>					Matt Harrington


Good Luck...

Keith


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From: jessie@iastate.edu (Brent Danielson)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Carbon Arrow Nightmares - Help!
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:48 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I'm posting this for a friend who is having a terrible time getting
tuned with his new AFC arrows.  Hunting season is approaching fast,
and he needs to figure out if his problem is fixable or if he should
abandon ship and go back to aluminum arrows.

First, the gear he uses: 
Hoyt Provantage Hunter with energy wheels originally set for 68 lbs
AFC 2300 arrows - cut to 29" with 5" feathers and 100 gr field and
broadheads Hunter Supreme Arrow rest (Plastic Ramp shaped like an
inverted V and a Cobra Plunger)

Second, he shoots with fingers only.  Right handed if it matters.

We were paper tuning bows the other night, and we got two of his
arrows to fly almost perfect, but the other 4 would tear up and to the
left consistently (including one arrow which had been stripped of
fletching).  Nothing seemed to have much effect.  While we may not be
the greatest at tuning, Mike has some experience and has done some
extensive reading as well.  Finally, he decreased the draw weight from
68 to about 64 lbs and changed from 100 gr field points to 50 gr
points.  The four "bad" arrows now shoot very well but the other 2
tear up and to the right.  While he might try to get by with 4 arrows,
50 gr is pretty light for a broadhead and I doubt there are any
reliable ones that light available.

This suggests to us that the arrows were under spined for 68 lbs (at
least the four "bad" arrows).  However, when looking at the arrow
spine chart in Cabela's, it appears that he is actually way over
spined and he should actually be shooting 2200s at 68 lbs.

If anyone out there has experience with these arrows, what spine/draw
wt. are you using?  Do you get good arrow flight out of ALL your
arrows?  Is this kind of variation normal for AFCs?  What about
Beoman's (sp?).  Also, if you use a plunger, does the plastic/teflon
button wear out real fast (like in less than 200-300 shots?).

Unfortunately, the local archery shop experts in Des Moines seem to be
pretty unreliable for good information.  Any help from netland would
really be appreciated.  Mike is considering buying another half dozen
to get two or three more arrows that are consistent with the other
arrows, but he is also wondering about the spine contradiction between
what the shop originally sold him and the charts in Cabela's.  Also,
if Beoman's are more consistent than AFC's then perhaps he should
switch.

So far, he has saved me a pile of cash by convincing me that I don't
need or even want carbon arrows so I owe him any help I can rustle up.


Thanks for the help.

Brent J. Danielson
Jessie@iastate.edu

PS.  Has anyone used Cabela's fletching jig on carbon arrows?  The
small diameter shaft causes problems aligning feathers correctly, and
this is critical on narrow shafts to attain arrow rest clearance.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu (rec.hunting moderator)
Subject: Rec.hunting charter and Adminsitrivia
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:37:04 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Administrivia - the Rec.Hunting Archives
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:43:01 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos Case & Cartridge
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: ketchum@fubar.cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Subject: Bear Deterrent Spray Contents & Address
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:55:02 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Sorry for the delay for those of you who have been waiting for this. 

The contents of a canister labeled "Backcountry Escort" self defense spray is
10% oleoresin capsicum. Whatever that stuff is. Anyone care to answer?
It is distributed by Steele's Marketing Group, P.O. Box 7152 Bozeman, MT 59771.
I recall seeing a can somewhere with cayenne pepper in it that I believe was
made in Missoula. If I come across it I'll post something about it.

According to the caution label this is some bad stuff.

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From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Carbon Arrow Nightmares - Help!
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:43:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug28.112449.24785@doug.cae.wisc.edu> jessie@iastate.edu (Brent Danielson) writes:
>I'm posting this for a friend who is having a terrible time getting
>tuned with his new AFC arrows.  Hunting season is approaching fast,
>and he needs to figure out if his problem is fixable or if he should
>abandon ship and go back to aluminum arrows.
>
> [details deleted]

Ok, I personally don't know much about that particular arrow, but I do know
something about tuning. First are the arrows new? If you shoot the same
arrows alot, you can "shoot the spine out of them" and they won't tune
properly. The ACC's can take a permenant bend in them, due to their aluminum
core, so you might want to double check that also.

If you think the spine might be gone, rotate the nocks and refletch the
arrows. That should clear up some of the problem.

Another thing to consider is the bow itself. Is the string fraid? If there
is something wrong with the center serving or the string has broken strands,
that can effect the tuning significantly. Also the timing of the cams and
the tiller setting can have an effect.

All of the hunters I know personally hunt with aluminum, but that does not
remove them from tuning problems. In general, the hotter the bow, the
tougher it is to settle down enough for each shot to get consistant tears.
I am not saying this is the case, but it could be.

Good Luck,

Dan
From: robert@isgtec.com ("Robert A. Osborne")
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What handgun to defend against bears?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:23:45 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Charlie Sorsby writes:
> I, too, am a bit concerned about some of the stuff about what to do
> if you encounter a bear.  I'm certainly no expert about bears (or
> anything else for that matter) but from what I've read, one
> approach to their avoidance is to move *noisily* so that they know
> you are coming, making it more likely that they will get out of
> your way.

A good friend of mine, Rodney Barber, was recently attacked by a
black bear.  He and a fellow geologist were prospecting when Rod heard
his partner start screaming.  He ran to find out what was happening
and was attacked by a bear.  Rod beat it off with his grub hoe but 
was unable to locate his partner.  Later that day they found his
partially eaten body.

Both Rod and his partner were fairly experienced woodsmen and knew
all about making noise etc.   It's just that it has been a very
cool summer so there isn't a lot of food for bears to eat ...

The thread is not about what to do when you encounter a bear it's
about what to do when a bear 'encounters' you.

Rob.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: daver!cypress.com!alpha.cypress!bjw@decwrl.dec.com (Jeff Williams/COMM)
Subject: Re: 30-06 for woodchucks
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:56:12 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article 26908@doug.cae.wisc.edu, ce0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Clifford Andrew Erickson) writes:
>
>[Asks about shooting woodchucks with a 30-06]


You might check-out the sabot 55gr .224's at almost 4000fps offered
for the .30-06
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Smelly Ol' Bears
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:18:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


>In article <1992Aug26.092325.25108@doug.cae.wisc.edu> randyn@tekig1.pen.tek.com (Randall B Newton) writes:
>I have never noticed an obvious smell and I think that I am usually
>pretty alert to smells in the woods. What kind of sign do they leave

Bears have the *wonderful* habit of having urine (and probably other items)
cling to their fur.  Thus they tend to give off a strong smell which I
find tends to remind me of the smell of skunk.  I am sure that others
in this group that have dealt with bears more than I can comment on it
firsthand.
-- 

Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: bowhunting with fingers
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:24:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

For you bowhunters out there I have a question. I have been poking
around in alt.archery about people who shoot fingers and three fingers
under.  The people over there mentioned that they thought is was a
bowhunter thing to do, because it allowed barebow shooters to string
walk, and a few other things.

Now I shoot three under, and thought it was more widespead than the
impression I am getting. I am a barebow shooter when I hunt, but don't
feel like changing my release for target. SO, what about it
bowhunters? How do you shoot? Have you ever tried three under? Part of
my curiosity is that I teach an archery class on occasion, and am
curious about other perspectives.

Incidentally on another note, I am planning on going deer hunting over
Thanksgiving, and when asking my shop pro about broadheads he
mentioned I should shoot thunderhead 125 three blade. Now I know he
shoots some type of two bladed broadhead, so I asked him why. He said
he prefered getting better penetration with a two bladed than opening
a big hole with a three. This made sense to me, so I asked him why he
didn't recommend I shoot a two bladed for penetration. My bow is set
at 92 lbs, and he said that it didn't matter what broadhead I shot it
was going to go completely through anything the size of a deer.

Now, I am again curious. I know a guy who shot a deer in the butt with
a 130lb bow and found his arrow sticking out of its mouth, and I saw a
picture of that. However, I find it hard to believe I would go all the
way through-- is he exaggerating bow hunters? Or can I get a
deer-kabob on the hoof?


Dan
From: system@dst2.enet.dec.com (Dan Koch)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Experience with Punchcutter broadheads?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Anyone have any REAL experience with the 75 gr. Punchcutter broadheads in
terms of penetration and effectiveness?
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Female Perspective on Gun Control
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:24:45 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.070157.11559@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
 
>I started to just respond to this by email, then considered that the
>rest of you might be interested and decided to post instead.
 
Thank you for changing your mind.
 
 
>***** Now the topic switches to the Feminine Perspective on Gun Control
>
>   .....excellent post deleted for space....
>Well, I'll come down off my stump now.  Must be the election year
>making me feel like giving a speech..
>
>Thanks for listening.
>Mary Otto
 
 
Stay on that stump; we need alot more women like you who are willing
to voice your opinions like that.  Do you mind if I quote you sometime
when someone wants a female perspective?
 
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From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Me again
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:45:13 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

1. Checked with the local sporting goods shop and they have the Remington
accelerator rounds listed in the 1992 catalog although they did not stock them.
(No call for them I guess!)
2. My vote for the new gun for Matt Harrington would be for something on the
order of a 270 bolt action(your choice of manufacturers). It will give you the
versatility you need from prairie dogs to deer. 
3. Sorry,work prevails. Later......
From: saunders@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Ted Nugent's Bowhunt'n videos
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:46:49 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


  Heard a funny rumor the other day, the "Damn Yankees" (this is the
name of the band Ted Nugent plays with now, for those who are unaware
of this,I don't want to start another war between the states) have
post-poned their tour until hunt'n season is over so Ted can go
"whack" some pigs.

  If you have never seen any of Ted's videos, they're great entertainment.
Ted makes no apologies, however, about his existence at the top of the food
chain.

  I have only seen one of these videos, and would like to see the rest. I
haven't seen any in the video stores here in yuppy-land though, so if any 
of y'all have seen them advertised in a magazine or such, could you let me
know. 

Tracy Saunders

Can't wait till it frosts