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From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Did Gateway File For Chapter 11?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:08:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Oct13.170851.20471
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866

In article <9H4ksB3w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> greg@infopls.chi.il.us (Greg Clawson) writes:
>> pjh@mccc.edu (P. J. Holsberg) writes:
>> a. Apple is coming out with its first IBM PC compatible machine
humorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumor
>>    before Christmas.
humorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumor
>> b. IBM is considering dropping OS/2 completely and is negotiating
humorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumor
>>    with Microsoft about Windows/NT licencing.
humorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumor
>> c. Unix is dead. 
humorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumorhumor


>IBM dropping OS/2?!  (Your nuts, it's not going to drop it).
>
>And for your information; Unix is alive and well!  Window's maybe
>popular but when compared to Unix I laugh at Windoze!

Greg failed to read the humor between the lines.

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From: sidbury@jaguar.uofs.edu (Dick Sidbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Gateway's new local bus video
Keywords: gateway video ati
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:52:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

Four weeks ago today, I ordered the new 486dx2/66 from Gateway without a monitor 
but with an extra 340 mb drive.  Yesterday, I finally got a FAX from my 
Gateway rep with their sales pitch on the new video systems.  I will quote it for
your edification:

Video on our new systems

Simple explanation:
	Simple performance comparisons
		1st place	There is no card on the market (local bus or
				not) that can achieve the performance of our
				local bus *ATI Ultra Pro*.  In windows, it is
				3x faster than the old ATI Ultra
		2nd place	The Diamond 24x is much faster than GW's 
				integrated 486's.
		3rd place	The video in GW's 486-integrated system is 
				slightly faster than the old ATI Ultra.

The old ATI Ultra and the Diamond Speedstar support 256 simultaneous colors in 
1024x768.  All of our new systems (integrated and local bus) have the same 
specifications.

-- Included is a bar chart that shows how good stuff is and I wont try to put it
-- in this post.

Medium-level Explanation:
	Video  performance is a very complicated issue that is related to
        processor speed, bus speeds, cache implementations, video processor 
	and coprocessor chips, and video drivers.  Both the *Diamond 24x* and 
 	our *integrated system's* video use Vestern Digital's WD90C31, which is
	Western Digital's most recent and highest performance video chip.  The
	*ATI Ultra Pro* uses ATI's new 68800 Mach 32 technology, which is 
	absolutely the fastest and hottest chip on the market.

	Most applications can not tell the difference between 16.7 million
	colors and 65,500 colors, although users will always see a difference
	between 256 and 65,500 colors.  The following table shows the number
	of colors that each video card can display at each resolution:

			ATI 	Diamond		Integ.		ATI Ultra Pro
			Ultra	24x		system		(1mb-std DAC)

640x480			256	16.7M		256		65,500
800x600			256	65,500		256		65,500
1024x768		256	256		256		256
1280x1024,interlaced	NOT!	16		16		16 N/A till Dec

-- Has anyone heard of GW's integrated video system.
-- My sales rep also said that I could upgrade to 2 mb VRAM but only from ATI


dick sidbury
Department of Computing Sciences
University of Scranton
sidbury@jaguar.uofs.edu
From: Mike@tron.gun.de (Michael Gerhards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: How fast are these simms?
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 01:07:00 +0100

Reply to "How fast are these simms?"
from BENNETT%MATH.KSU.EDU@USENET.ZER

Hello,

> Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
> NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu
> [..]
> The simms are 1Mx9 with each chip labelled as follows
>
>                            721010-07
>                            K127A Korea
>
> with an oversize i to the left of the label.
> Does anyone know whether these are 80ns or 100ns simms?

They have 70 nsec.

c u

Michael
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From: dchien@boole.seas.ucla.edu (David H. Chien)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: STB (makes Evolution VGA board): Address request
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:07:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


     I would like the address/phone number of STB, the manufacturer of the
Evolution VGA board, so that I may contact them for information and software
drivers.
     david :) dchien@boole.seas.ucla.edu    Thanks!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: imbri_m@aesc.cs.odu.edu (Mark Imbriaco)
Subject: Intel Overdrive Chip?
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:03:33 GMT


I was wondering a few things about the Intel overdrive chips for the 486 
line of processors.  I am currently running a 486/50DX.  How much performance
increase would I get by adding the overdrive chip, and what the heck does it
actually do?  :-)  Could someone please e-mail me the specs on this.  Thanks.

imbri_m@cs.odu.edu
From: swami@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Krishnaswami)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: PS/2 SCSI - What's best?
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:59:08 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<1992Oct5.111316.2996@actrix.gen.nz>
Reply-To: swami@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Krishnaswami)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

SCSI is best suited for multiple peripherals (CDs,Tapes, Scanners, Printers
etc.) that need to be run from a sigle card.  All one does is a single task
(like DOS), one can be adequately served by ESDI.  However, SCSI 2 can in 
suitably designed card can stream upto 40-50 MB per second.  Of course, this 
means things like cached drives, 32 bit MCA (for eg.) bus, address interleav-
ing, fast CPU etc. Even SCSI 1  can burst at 5MB in a standard 16 bit MCA bus
if the drive has caching in addition to OS supporing such transfers.
From: delusion@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Albert Schmezer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Microsoft Works to Louts Works and vice-versa
Keywords: MICROSOFT WORKS LOTUS
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:09:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct13.180936.7738
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


	Hello. I am not sure if this is the right base to post this in. If it
is not, could someone direct me to the right newsgroup or cross-post this
message? 

	I am looking for a Microsoft Works to Lotus Works and vice-versa
converter. I have some documents in Lotus-Works that needs to be put in
MS-Works and some in MS-Works that need to be put in Lotus-Works. Simple ASCII
exporting doesn't work as I need to maintain the case of the text. Lotus Works
capitalizes everything....

		Thanx in advance!!

<<delusion


	
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston)
Subject: Re: Did Gateway File For Chapter 11? It's a JOKE, Chill!
Originator: sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:06:04 GMT
Reply-To: sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article, kehcheng@netcom.com (Keh-Cheng Chu) writes:
>pjh@mccc.edu (P. J. Holsberg) writes:
>
>>Subject says it all.
>
>Yes, it did.  This was reported in September's Byte magazine.
>In the same issue you can also read about the following recent
>developments in the computing world:
>
>a. Apple is coming out with its first IBM PC compatible machine
>   before Christmas.
>
>b. IBM is considering dropping OS/2 completely and is negotiating
>   with Microsoft about Windows/NT licencing.
>
>c. Unix is dead. 

OK. Stop replying to this.  NONE of the above is true.  Even the
subject is wrong.  The company that filed for Ch11 is *not* Gateway.

The items listed in items a, b, and c are a feeble attempt at HUMOR.
In other words the poster was being FACETIOUS:

fa-ce-tious \fe-'se^--shes\ adj
[MF facetieux, fr. facetie jest, fr. L facetia]
(1599)
1: jocular in an often clumsy or inappropriate manner
2: characterized by pleasantry or levity: JOCOSE <a facetious remark>
syn see WITTY 
-- fa-ce-tious-ly adv 
-- fa-ce-tious-ness n


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From: osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486 processor from Cyrix
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:07:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EerRqKO00VoqE5L3YE
	<1992Oct15.033622.24454@unlv.edu>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware: 15-Oct-92 Re: 486
processor from Cyrix Eric J. Schwertfeger@son (912)

> In article <8355@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, jong@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Jong Y.
> Lee) writes:
> ) I don't want to hear about Landmark/Norton number craps.  They don't mean
> ) anything.  All I want to know is whether it's closer to 386 or 486
> ) hardware-wise.

> Depends on how you measure closeness.  It's a dropin replacement for the
> 386sx, which means it has 16 bit external data paths.  Score one for 386
> closeness (2 if you want to count 16 bits and pin compatibility seperately).

It may also be 32 bits (486dlx instead of 486slx) and replace a 386dx

> It executes the full 486 instruction set, with differences due to the cache
> being a different size (I've heard that the bios has to support the 
> 486slc (?) specifically).  Score one for 486 closeness.

Notice that switching from 486-33 to dx2-66 also requires some changes in bios
(cause of timings).

> It has a 1K cache rather than 8K for the 486, but at least it has one
> :-)

> It can use a 387 FPU, unlike the 486SX (I assume that's what you're comparing
> to, because of similar price range).  

> -- 
> Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu

the cyrix486 is designed to be a 386{sx,dx} replacement on the hardware
side and a 486 compatible on the soft side. But it's neither a 386 nor a 486.

It's a bit slower than a 486 (except for some instr like mult) but much faster 
than a 386.

	Stefan

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From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Monitor Mystique: Trinitrons Not Good
Date: 14 Oct 1992 09:08:40 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct13.154011.1@ualr.edu> djlewis@ualr.edu writes:

>tube or the Tatung CM14SAS monitors. Of course I don't put any of these above
>my SONY CDP-1304hx at home.

Just out of curiosity, what's the difference between the 1304hx and the
1304hg?  (I have the hg and don't remember ever seeing a hx...)

Is it just a bigger monitor?  (If so, I thought the sony's only come
in 13" and 17" (or was it 16"...))  or is it just some marketing 
gimic?

David Shy
shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: veikko@snakemail.hut.fi (Vesa J Pyyluoma)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: PC memory chip timing maths??
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:45:08 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


Right, this must be a FAQ and an old one just the same but the question
just crossed my mind as I was browsing through this SIMM thread...
How was it exactly that you calculate the RAM speed requirement for a
XX MHz 386 for 0/1 WS operation?  Or a 486??  How many processor cycles
does a memory operation take and why?  Does "wait state" actually refer
to the clock cycle a 386, say, spends picking its nose _in addition_
to the time it would have waited anyway?  Or maybe not waited but being
occupied otherwise??  What other time gaps do you need to take into
account besides the ubiquitous 60/70/80/etc nanosec "access time" (or what
should it be properly called?)

An enlightening article somewhere, maybe?  I remember reading
something about this in BYTE years ago but somehow I seem to recall
that I couldn't make the sums add up...  Or could someone just plain
explain it all, please ;')

cheers,
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From: aa565@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Warren Rayle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Centrix as mail order source - advice wanted
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:28:58 GMT
Reply-To: aa565@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Warren Rayle)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


As the subject says...anyone with good/bad experiences to relate?

Thanks for anything...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist)
Subject: ? Telephone interface for PC ?
Organization: Bell Northern Research
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:44:32 GMT

Hi, I need a card that I can plug into my 286 that does the
following:

1. Capture incoming sound to disk (sampling of phone line).
2. Send sound from disk to phone line.

Optionally, the following would be nice:

1. A ring detector
2. A tone detector/decoder

I thought of using a SoundBlaster card to do the first 2, but
how can I separate the incoming analog from the outgoing analog
on the phone line to connect them to the SB's incoming (sample)
jack and outgoing (play) jack?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 24X still will not do 800*600 32K at 72Hz
From: djlewis@ualr.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:11:30 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <BvHvsE.5u@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
> bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
> 
>>mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
> 
>>>I received version 2.02 of the 24X drivers yesterday from Daimond in response
>>>to my 800*600 32K problem @ 72Hz.  (Missing top 2" of screen - Ok at 60Hz).
> 
>>>The new drivers DO NOT fix the problem.  I suppose no one else has this working
>>>at 72Hz either?
> 
>>Since when has the 24X supported 800x600x32K at 72Hz.  When I bought
>>mine, it would do only 800x600x32K at 60Hz.  It would do
>>72Hz at 800x600x256 and 1024x768x256, though.
> 
> I looked in the manual last night and found that it will only do 800x600x32K at
> 60Hz.  This is a bit of a sham really.  They advertise that this does 16M colors
> and has a refresh rate of 72Hz.  They don't say you can't get 16M colors AND
> 72Hz or 32K AND 72Hz at the same time.
> 
I beleive that part of the reason for 60hz vert rate in hi_colour modes is
that the overlay and screen capture boards use primarily a 60hz rate for NTSC
compatibility.
	Just a thought.
Don

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mcp@netcom.com (Craig Presnell)
Subject: External Power Supplies Available for PC's ?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:31:49 GMT

I have a Compuadd 386/16sx with a 150 watt power supply. After
adding a new IDE hard drive, I became aware of the fact that the
150 watt supply just couldn't power all of the drives in my system.
I contacted Compuadd, but they claimed they didn't have a 200 watt
power supply for the low-profile system that I have. Because
the system is in a low-profile case, only a compact power
supply will fit it, so I can't simply purchase a standard
200 watt supply.

I thought it might be possible to connect the new hard drive to
another external power supply, if indeed they do exist. Has
anyone every heard of such a device for the PC? If so,
do you know where I could get one? Would having two
power supplies in one system cause problems?

Thanks for all replies.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dmatiske@larson.helios.nd.edu (David Matiskella)
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Plus
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:58:52 GMT

In article <92284.185024I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET
(Spartacus At CunyVM) wrote:
> 
> In article <CARL.92Oct9235256@atlantis.Cayman.COM>, carl@Cayman.COM (Carl
> Heinzl) says:
> >
> >>   Street price (usually 40-45% off retail)
> >>   I would expect Plus $219-240; Ultra $329-360
> >
> >Not for ATI products it isn't.  The ATI Ultra is still in this price
> >range.  I don't think you'll see the Ultra PRO in this range anytime
> >in the near future.
> >
> >-Carl-
> >--
> 
>    Probably. But if I recall the original Ultra had a ~$850-899 retail
> price.  I did stay in my original repost to wait a few weeks after
> the PRO is released for the prices to settle down.   But 40-45% discount
> have always been the norm.   I think I recall someone in this group
> say the PRO will begin to ship in two weeks.  If so...check the
> ATI PRO prices around early December or January...by then the prices
> should be in that range...again *fingers cross*
> 
> -------
> ------------------------------+      All The Best,
> Reply To:                     |
>                               |      Edward Galarza,
>      I18BC@CunyVM.Cuny.Edu    |      Brooklyn College Of The
>      I18BC@CunyVM.BitNet      |      City University Of New York
> ------------------------------+      "Que viva el OS/2!"
	Well I know that the vantage and utlra were listed at 399 and 599
respectively back in July and now I have no problems picking them up for
220 and 390.
From: paula@atc.boeing.com (Paul Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: floppy controller programming gems?
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:42:42 GMT
Reply-To: paula@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

I'm looking for information on how an IBM-compatible floppy controller
*really* works, as opposed to how it is documented to work by such
sources as Intel's data catalog or IBM's Technical Reference.  Is
anyone aware of any collections of device driver war stories or actual
published books that might help me out?

Specifically, I'm considering writing a Unix (Linux) driver for a
QIC-40 floppy-based tape drive.  When I spent time on this a while
back, I observed behavior that didn't appear consistent with Intel's
documentation.  I am reluctant to throw more time at it without better
information to guide my quest.  If you can suggest an alternate source
of detailed programming information for the floppy controller, please
drop me some email.  I'll post a summary in a week if there's
interest.

Thanks!

Paul Allen

Paul L. Allen -- Paul.Allen@atc.boeing.com or ...!uw-beaver!bcsaic!Paul.Allen
Boeing Computer Services, Research & Technology, Computing Environment  (whew!)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,sci.electronics
From: hm@opus40.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: 8237A DMA controller availability
Organization: iX-Redaktion
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:45:49 GMT


In article <9210131500.52@ve6bc.uucp>, doug@ve6bc.uucp (Douglas MacKintosh, VE6BC) writes:
|> adrian@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (A Johnstone) writes:
|> > I want to use an 8237A DMA controller for compatibility with the PC
|> > but my suppliers report that this chip is becoming difficult to get.
|> 
|> If you can't get the Intel chip, AMD (who else) makes 'em too.
|> 
|> >Will the nMOS 8237A work OK?
|> 
|> Yep. (The big differences are top speed and fuel consumption.)
|> 
|> Good luck...
|> -- 

Siemens still manufactures SAB chips as a second source for the Intel
82xx line. Here, it's the SAB8237A.
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: boyle@gca.com (David Boyle)
Subject: 15-inch monitor recommendations
Keywords: monitor recommendation
Organization: GCA Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:20:17 GMT

I would like to hear from anyone owning a ViewSonic 6FS or NEC 3FGx.
Good and bad experiences both.

Also, what are the differences between the NEC 3FGx and the 4FG?

Thanks in advance.

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From: Mike@tron.gun.de (Michael Gerhards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re^2: Need help on upgrading a v.32 mode
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 13:02:00 +0100

Reply to "Re: Need help on upgrading a v.32 modem "
from STORNER%DIKU.DK@USENET.ZER

Hello,

> [..]
> You must have gotten some of the tech-speak all mixed up. V.32 has nothing
> in common with V.42 - one is a standard for transmitting data at 9600 baud,
> the other is a standard for error-correction (or is it data-compression ??).

V42    : error-correction
V42bis : data-compression

c u

Michael
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: speedstar 24x price
Reply-To: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:06:19 GMT

In article <189e027025k901@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, dhw10@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David H. Wang) writes:
>I've been hearing alot of good things about the speedstar 24x; it speeds
>up windows without slowing down DOS, etc.
>
>My question is:  If the speedstar 24x is so great, why is it so cheap?
>( < $200)
>
>Dave

It's based on a new graphics engine just out from Western Digital (the same
people who made the original Paradise video card chipset.)  

Apparently they've been selling the chipset at a much lower unit price
(actually they're pretty much selling it at the same price as a typical ET4000
chipset), so vendors (such as Diamond) who create a product based on it
can sell it cheaply (and thus grab a good chunk of the market all at once).

In terms of bang/buck ratio, I haven't seen anything even close to this card.

Alex