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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: 6 hits in inning without scoring
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:57:06 GMT

Batter #1 goes for an inside-the-park HR, but is nabbed at the plate.
Batter #2 sticks at third, then is picked off on a suicide-squeeze
play.
Batter #3, a total slug, hits a ground-rule double.
Batter #4 hits a ball deep in the hole.  #3 has to hold at second.
On a hit-and-run, the batter swings and misses.  The catcher drops
the ball, so the runners both "steal" safely.
Batter #5 bunts his way on, but #3 has to hold (told you he was a slug!).
Batter #6 hits the ball a *long* way.  #3 plods home, but misses the plate.
Batters #4 and #5 tag the plate as they pass.  #6 ends up at third.
On the appeal, #4 and #5 are out for passing #3, and #3 is forced at home.
Three triples, a double, two singles, and two SB.  No runs scored.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Vaughn, Irvine, Valentin...  Where is Wedge?	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: cjlee@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Ironman)
Subject: Jays' line-up
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:01:33 GMT

This is what a great team is all about.  Players who were hot in the first
half have cooled off recently.  But to balance out, players who were
not so great in the first half seem to be picking up the slacks.  Of
course, some players are still very steady.

Going through the Jays' line-up:

White:  hitting better after the All-Star break
Alomar: his average is dipping gradually...
Carter: maybe tiring, but still plays everyday
        Cito should give Carter a day off and put Derek Bell in the lineup.
Winfield: seems to be cooling off...
Maldonado: simply awesome lately
Olerud: hitting up a storm lately, close to .300!
Gruber: strikes out too often in key situations
Borders: very steady so far
Lee:    very steady so far, getting all those 2-out base hits


Bell:   will he ever start another game with Maldonado in the line-up?
        He got two hits in each of his last two starts.
Kent:   will he get into the line-up now that Gruber is back?
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Offerman, Butler, and Sharperson
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:23:00 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul21.184634.19550@parc.xerox.com> zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala) writes:
>
>I realize they are far from historic :-) , but I'm wondering if there were
>ever any great leadoff *trios* where all *three* of them were lightweight 
>hitters, with some speed and thus a few doubles & triples in the gaps [...]

Well, the late-80's Cardinals (Vince Coleman, Ozzie Smith, Tommy Herr)  had
a couple of pretty good years, and fit your description pretty well.

What did the front end of the Go Go Sox batting order look like?  Aparicio
led off, but how did it go after that?

-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Jeff King must Die
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:36:11 GMT

In article <3576@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>I can't stand it.  With the score tied in the 8th inning, runners on first
>and third, and two outs, the Astros just intentionally walked Barry Bonds
>(who had homered earlier in the game) to pitch to Jeff King.  King flied out
>to left to end the inning.  When was the last time you saw someone walked
>intentionally to load the bases with first base already occupied?  

      Will Clark has walked intentionally a lot of times with runner on 1st,
even when Kevin Mitchell was still around.


>
>-- 
>        David Tate         |   When I was a rookie arm and bit 
>  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu  |   And the greenest hurler to take the mound
>  Prof. of St>  Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR  | 	"Lament", Dylan 'Big Frank' Thomas

Edward Hui


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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Replacement levels, by position
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:03:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <92203.085440IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer) writes:
>
>  I used the recently posted (thanks, Claudius) lists
>of RC/27 at each position to try to deduce the replacement
>levels at each.  Results first, method afterwards:
>
>POSITION    RC/27 to avoid REPLACEMENT (RC0)
>--------           --------------
>
>   C                   3.07
>  SS                   3.16
>  2B                   3.76
>  3B                   3.97
>  CF                   4.34
>  1B                   4.54
>  LF                   4.57
>  DH                   4.60
>  RF                   4.77
>
>Now, the method:
>I expected that the density of players as a function
>of RC/27 would be low up in the stratosphere, then
>steadily increase as the level of performance decreased,
>until it reached a point where Jose Uribe doesn't
>belong in the major leagues, where it would again
>drop.  I plotted
>
>$$\sum_i {[R(i) - R(i+1)] \over [C + (i-x)^2]}$$
>
>where $i$ is the rank and $R(i)$ is the RC/27 at
>that rank, using $C=2$.
>
The Brock2 system offers cutoff points for replacement value at the following
levels:

	C	3.80
	SS	3.70
	2B	3.70
	3B	4.10
	CF	3.90
	1B	4.50
	LF	4.60
	DH	4.60
	RF	4.30

These are the low numbers given to maintain full-time status.  Part time status
is regarded to be at a level .6 RC/27 below this level (perhaps explaining the
low #s of SS and C???).  Try these numbers and see what the correlation is.  If
it's close, then you may have added support for one of Bill James' long-standing
dilemmas regarding the system.  My only real concern is that you might be
setting the RC0 for CFs and RFs too high, which would understandably result in
your questioning the relative RC/27 measures for outfielders and first basemen.
Otherwise, assuming the SS and C numbers can be explained away by several 
platoon caliber players being thrust into full-time roles (via a lack of ML
quality players at those positions), a VERY good job!



-- 
*  Kurt Bose (as in * I am NOT the Antichrist, no matter what my future mother
*  Daisy, not Rose) * in law may think. Nor do I pretend to speak for UNM. Tried
*kbos@carina.unm.edu* it one time, but they caught me at it. I think they were a
*  Junior Stathead  * tad miffed at me, sure, but the Dean's hair DID grow back.
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 6 hits in inning without scoring
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:43:19 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T

From article <18792@drutx.ATT.COM>, by bew@druwa.ATT.COM (WeissBE):
> 
> dgh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Doug Huffer) writes
>>Can a team get six hits in an inning and not score a run?? (Remember, based
>>on 1951 rules, so scoring may have changed since then, I'm not sure.)   
> 
> Following is a puzzle that Hal Lebovitz, formerly of the Cleveland
> Plain Dealer, periodically posed, but never answered in the newspaper:
> 
> How can a team get 3 triples, 1 double, 2 singles, and 2 stolen
> bases in their half of an inning without scoring?  He claimed it
> actually occurred in a minor league game.  I will send the
> solution later.

I can do it with one steal (shown below) or with 2 triples and 2 doubles
(minor variation).

Triple, thrown out at home.
Triple, thrown out at home.
Triple.
Single, no advance.
Steal second.
Single, no advance.
Hit, everyone stops just short of the plate.  The batter gets a double, since
the runner on first never made it safely home.
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pirates pull off triple play! / ZSmith on the DL! / Other News!
Keywords: triple play, comings, goings, goodbye, binaca continues
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:19:24 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <1992Jul27.155951.27972@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1510@cogsci.ucsd.EDU> king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King) writes:
>>Paul Wagner is a right-handed starter who did pretty well at Salem
>>(high A) last year, and who was doing even better at Carolina (AA)
>>this year.  He's somewhat of a mystery man, as far as being a prospect
>>goes, but he was out-pitching the more highly touted Mike Zimmerman
>>this year.
>
>A couple of more tidbits about Wagner; he's 23 years old, and was drafted
>in the 8th round of the 1989 draft (the Pirates drafted Willie Greene in
>the first round that year; I believe it was the first Doughty draft).
>Wagner becomes the first player from that draft year to debut for the
>Pirates, though Steve Cooke was also called up and was drafted in the 36th
>round that year as a junior college "draft and follow" player.  
>
...and his favorite color is blue, he had Wheaties and scrambled eggs before his
last start, his latest paramour is a 21-year old secretary from Zebulon, who is
currently studying for her bachelor's in finance.  As a boy Wagner never had a
puppy; he took his frustrations out by hurling rocks at his father's 1963 Ford
pickup, whereupon a scout saw him, and...  :)

Hmmm.  No WONDER nobody from that draft has made the majors for Pittsburgh until
now; they've been too busy checking behind every door to make sure Sherri isn't
taking notes on their pro chances.  :)


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) - kbos@carina.unm.edu - I'm not the AntiChrist
I AM a Junior Stathead.  Flame me; it's fun!  I'm a shutmouthed, selfless idiot!
Latest Attempted Compiler of the R.S.BB FAQ - Now Accepting Submissions...(hint)
Have you hugged a Dan Gladden fan today? - Dave Rossing : .456/39/132 at Denver!
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:46:25 GMT

In article <Brsz01.88L@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>>>>>If Rance Mulliniks, Derek Bell, and Rob Ducey don't think that a .300 hitter
>>>>>15HR and 50 RBI man so far shouldn't be playing then they shouldn't be
>>>>>considered team players as well.  

>Yes.  Derek's job is to play when asked to.  If he has a problem with another
>player, lack of playing time etc he should speak to the management about
>this.

I'm still somewhat confused by the juxtaposition of these two statements by
you.  I got the impression from your first statement that if Derek Bell
were to complain about the good stat, bad attitude player playing instead
of him, you would consider him not to be a team player.  That's my issue.
Do you think it's not being a team player to think, or to suggest to
management, that another player on the team shouldn't be there?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dynamic Duos
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:48:55 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

Everyone knows (or could guess) that the record for home runs by two
teammates in the same season is held by Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle,
who combined for 115 HR for the 1961 Yankees.  Similarly, it wouldn't
be too hard to guess that the records for most RBIs by two teammates,
most runs scored by two teammates, and most total bases by two teammates
are all held by Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig:  347 RBIs in '31, 312 runs in
the same season, and 864 total bases in '27.

However, there are lots of other such records not held by Ruth and Gehrig.
Here's a pop quiz.  Which teammates hold the record for:

	1. Most combined hits in a season?
	2. Most combined doubles?
	3. Most combined batters' walks?
	4. Most combined batters' strikeouts?
	5. Most combined stolen bases?
	6. Most combined pitchers' strikeouts?

Extra credit if you can tell me which seasons...  I'll post the answers in a
day or two.

-- 
      David M. Tate      | From my dugout sleep I fell into the Game
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | And I crouched in the circle while my insides froze
 Randall 'Chico' Jarrell | One out from death, one hit from dreamt-of glory
"Death of a Pinch Hitter"| I woke to 'Strike One!' and the nightmare sliders...
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball Buns: Rocket Roger's Latest
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:32:40 GMT
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY

In article <1992Jul21.210621.3476@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:
> [Good description of Clemens vs. Kimball delete]
>
>    It's amazing how far some of this "journalist" and his "editor" will 
>    bend the truth and still expect a gullible public to buy into it.  
>    Sickening, really, considering how even after being cold-busted by their 
>    peers they continue to try to turn the tables by presenting totally
>    irrelevant defenses like Clemens didn't even read the article, or was 
>    too stupid to read between the lines, or waited too long to respond, etc...

After spending two years in a media environment, I understand why
something like this happens (I said I understand it, I am NOT saying I
agree with it).  In a place like Boston, a place that has a lot of media
to cover events, the media is in competition with each other to try to
sell their product.  Remember, the media in this country are not state
owned and are not altruistic organizations.  These corporations are out
to make a profit like any other company.  Newspapers make revenues by
selling advertizements whose rates are determined by their readership
(what you pay for a paper usually is used to offset distribution costs). 
This method of charging by who's seeing the ads is very much like
television and the Neilson or Arbitron ratings.  So if the journalist
comes up with a story that is loosely based on facts that is
sensational, the editor has no choice but to print it.  Not only print
it but I am sure headline space was dedicated to the story.  The
sensational matter is noticed by Joe Blow on the street, out at the
newsstand, and he buys the paper to read the story.  More papers sold
can lead to a more steady readership, which translates into more money
the paper can charge for advertizing.

Recently, someone asked me about the rape accusation on David Cone.
When this came out it not only made the infamous back pages of the New
York tabloids (Post, Daily News, and Newsday), but it made the headlines
on the front page as well.  Some of you might be asking yourself, "yea,
I remember that, what happened?  When is the trial?"  There will be no
trial.  The case was dropped before opening day.  This news made a
two-inch article burried somewhere in the sports sections of the papers.
Why?  How will rape accusations being dropped against David Cone sell
more papers?  It won't.  But make the accusation and plaster it on the
back page and front page using "end of the world" headlines and watch
the papers sell!

This is the result of competition among the media.  This happens in areas
where there is competition.  This is why you'll rarely, if ever, see
something like this happen in a place like Atlanta or Kansas City.
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ** WIFFLEBALL **
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:19:50 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

we used to play a modified version of wiffleball at a summer place up
 in greenwood lake, new york.  self hitting, one on one or (for more 
 realism) two on two. the fence for the old rotting beach was in a 
 v shape, so center was about 100 feet, and since the road we played
 on was a v-shape, (script v, at least), left and right went on forever.
 second bas was about 80? feet from home plate, and if you hit the runner
 with the ball he was out.  you could also tag him, and the ballhad
 to go past a certain distance to be in play.
 
 left field had a lot of trees overhanging, so the natural shift
 would be towards right field.  if you threw the ball home before the 
 other guy got there, he was out. (coming from third i mean, and
 if he was halfway home already).  

great fun in long ago days.   but this 11 year old (then) was never
 able to beat the 15 year old up the street in one  on one...

- bob gaj
From: molly@uga.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: TIME OF BATTING PRACTICE
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:21:15 GMT
Reply-To: /dev/null
Organization: UGA
Originator: nobody@nowhere

Dear baseball fans:

I would like to known when a team usually have their batting practice.
I heard that is the best time to get player's autograph.  
I am going for a game and game time is 7:40 p.m.  I really would like to go
early and get autographs.  So, if anyone knows the time of batting practice,
please post it.  Thanks in advance.

A Braves Fan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Best Looking Swing
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:10:15 GMT


*    When I watch a good hitter at the plate, they will show the swing of the
*  hitter in slow motion. IMHO the best looking swings I've seen are:
*        1) Dave Justice
*        2) Will Clark
*        3) Don Mattingly
*        4) George Brett

	 5) Rafael Palmeiro
	 6) Mark Grace


	 --
 	 Michael                      
	 stailey@comm.mot.com
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All 6th-best team
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:04:12 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.232746.10833@newshost.anu.edu.au> gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson) writes:
>What if an expansion draft only allowed each team to protect 5 players, and 
>you got to build a new team by choosing one player from each of the 26 teams 
>in MLB? Would a team composed of the sixth best players from each of the 
>other teams win the pennant? 

I doubt it, but it's an interesting question.

The Tigers would lose one of Fielder, Fryman, Whitaker, Phillips, Deer, or
Tettleton.  Probably Phillips or Deer.

The Mets would lose one of HoJo, Bonilla, Cone, Murray, Saberhagen, Franco,
or Magadan.  I'd protect Bonilla, Cone, Saberhagen, Magadan, and Franco.

The Braves probably protect Glavine, Avery, Smoltz, Gant, and Justice.  They
lose Pendleton, probably.

The Padres protect Benes, Hurst, McGriff, Sheffield, and Gwynn.  They lose
Fernandez?  Darrin Jackson?  

Blue Jays protect Alomar, Carter, Olerud, Stieb, and Guzman?
Reds: Sabo, Larkin, Swindell, Rijo, Dibble?  Lot's left to choose from...
Indians: Belle, Olin, Baerga, Lofton, Nagy?
Twins: Puckett, Mack, Knoblauch, Smiley, Tapani?
Expos: Martinez, Hill, DeShields, Walker, Grissom/Barberie/Stairs?
Texas: Sierra, Palmeiro, Gonzalez, Palmer, Brown  (except they'd have to
	protect Ryan, or be stormed by irate fans...)

Let's cut to the chase.  Here's a possible team of 6th-bests:

	C	Sandy Alomar		Indians
	1B	Kent Hrbek		Twins
	2B	Bip Roberts 		Reds
	3B	Terry Pendleton		Braves
	SS	Howard Johnson		Mets
	LF	Tony Phillips 		Tigers
	CF	Darrin Jackson		Padres
	RF	Paul O'Neill		Reds
	DH	Dave Winfield		Blue Jays

	SP	Randy Tomlin		Pirates
	SP	Kevin Brown		Rangers
	SP	Randy Johnson		Mariners
	SP	Ron Darling		Athletics
	SP	Jose DeJesus		Phillies

	RP	Lee Smith		Cardinals
	RP	John Wetteland		Expos

	IF	Randy Milligan		Orioles
	IF	Kevin Seitzer		Brewers
	IF	Craig Grebeck		White Sox
	OF	Eric Anthony		Astros
	OF	Tom Brunansky		Red Sox
	C	Mike Macfarlane		Royals
	C/DH	Hector Villanueva	Cubs

	P	John Habyan		Yankees
	P	Mark Eichhorn		Angels
	P	Righetti		Giants

All in all, not a bad team.  Better than I thought when I started this
article.  A few irrational protection decisions (or a 10/5 rule) and you
could do even better.  Interesting, isn't it?


-- 
        David M. Tate        | "And that inverted Bowl we call The Dome
   dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu   |  Whereunder crawling coop'd we field and bat,
   Edward "Mike" Fitzgerald  |     Lift not your eyes to *it* for help--for it
     from "The Ruthaiyat"    |  Will drop the tow'ring fly upon your hat."
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:22512 rec.sport.baseball.fantasy:369
From: spud@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Baseball ftp/telnet site?
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:20:52 GMT
Distribution: na

Fellow BB fans;

Is there any public access (via ftp, telnet, etc.) to complete baseball
stats and history?  I'm really interested in databases where I can research
the more unconventional stats, such as pitcher's batting averages on
Tuesday away day games on grass against eastern division teams. :-)

If there's anything more than the box scores and leader boards of
clari.sports.baseball and rec.sport.baseball, please send me a pointer to
the info.

Thanks in advance,
   Dave Kalin
   spud@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: sybesmer@uther.calvin.edu (Eric W Sybesma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Home/road differentials (was ARTIFICIAL TURF: EMBARRASSMENT)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:02:32 GMT
Organization: Calvin College

For all you home/road differential whiners, please notice these figures:

1992 Minnesota Twins 
Home: 29 and 19 ====>  .604
Road: 31 and 20 ====>  .607 (BEST IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES!)

	Brought to you from today's paper,

					
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From: comm.mot.com!stanm@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Shoot Harry
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:19:00 GMT
Organization: Motorola
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article 26830@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike 
Stailey) writes:
>(Rob Holmes) writes:
>
>*How in the hell can anyone stand to listen to Harry Carry (sp?)?  I was 
trying
>*to watch the Cubs-Reds game last night but I kept getting interupted by 
that
>*slob clearing his throat.  And the way he calls a game is just wonderful: 
>*"there's a ffff...no it was a curve and it was in there for a strike.  I 
think
>*that was a slinder."  When is this guy going to get the boot.  Do the 
people of
>*Chicago really like this guy?  And he always says "we" when referring to 
the
>*Cubs.  I didn't know that he was on the roster. I say, move to the west, 
>*fire Harry, and money-wise, you should come out about even.
>
>
> Harry Caray is a Chicago institution and won't be canned by WGN any time
> soon. Granted, he isn't the greatest of play by play guy but he is in
> the Hall of Fame. If you don't like it... turn down the sound or try
> to pick up the WGN radio broadcast.
>

Are we going to start another thread because some ignoramus missed the last 
one?

Anyway, I was most amused by Harry's inability to pronounce Hal Morris'
name correctly last night. "Hal Marsh"? 

My brother commented, "Someone must've spiked his water." We all know that 
it's
artesian spring water he only drinks. :)

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) He never did try to pronounce my name
    on TV. He probably would've choked before he got it right.
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