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From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Schools
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:25:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.050848.19881@cactus.org> janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.193858.17247@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>> In article <C1C2nD.wGJ@austin.ibm.com> me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E) writes:
>> 	desks, chairs, etc., $200 per student, 10		  1,800
>> 	  year lifetime
>John, can you supply your math here!  We came up with 9 students &
>and 3 students, Respectively.  (this is total?)

Sure.  There are 90 students.  90 * $200 = $18,000.  $18,000 / 10 years
is $1,800 per year.

Perhaps you should tell us whether you went to public or private school
so we could immediately jump to conclusions about the quality of your
education.

>Howw are you going to get 6 classes into 3 rooms?

One hour at a time.

>Where will you find the teachers who can adequately teach
>six seperate subjects?

Certified math and sciences teachers in Texas are only required to take
3 hours of math and science.  I have 60 or 70 (probably more like 90 or
100, considering how many different majors I had ...) of those subjects.
I could probably teach Math, Science, History and Reading with little or
no effort.  After all, I =do= have a college degree...

>You really expect a small employer to supply *any* of the above 
>benefits?  (See previous post!)  Don't forget plan administration costs!

Plan administration costs?  Are you serious?  This is how I'd administer
the plan.

I'd call my State Farm agent, say "Can you give me a quote on some teachers
I've got.  I'd like to pay for health insurance coverage for them."  Then
I'd call my stock broker and say "Can you give me some literature on good
mutual funds.  I'm going to be contributing money to a mutual fund on
behalf of some employees."

>You did an okay job here, but I would argue with some of your base assumptions,
>but it's getting late.  Re-check your math (Provide it please), add some
>more real-world expenses, etc., and you might have a workable budget here.
>Then you could publish it or use it for your disertation and get out of
>here and go back up North. ;-) :-)

Hell no.  If I spend any more time on this I'm going to give up on selling
the house and moving to Sint Maarten and open a private school instead.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org

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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: University of Texas conflict
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:03:20 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1993Jan25.031851.16922@cactus.org> cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R.
M. Cheselka) writes:
>A posible solution:
>utor = U of Toronto
>utex = U of Texas
>utul = U of Tulsa
>utol = U of Toledo
>utok = U of Tokyo

Sounds practical.

And it leaves "ut" free for the University of Tennessee.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard

Newsgroups: tx.general
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Schools
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:27:40 GMT

In article <C1F4q6.Bxz@austin.ibm.com> mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes:
>If you aren't making 20% above these base expenses in 2 years, you'll be
>out of business.
>
>This happens to a *lot* of startups.

Since this would be owner-operated, there would be (35 * 3) / 180 over
expenses.  Lots of startups do rather well on that margin.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org

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Newsgroups: tx.general
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:21:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.051611.18678@cactus.org> janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner) writes:
>Well, that should just about pay the salary for the superintendent or
>principle.  What about the board of directors, capital improvement fund,
>janitors, and last and leastly (at least this is way things are now) the
>teachers?

You must be a Democrat.  A company with three workers doesn't need
any of that stuff.  And with only three classrooms it can sure as
hell rent excess retail space.  Surely three teachers can be allowed
to pick up after their students - or - GASP! - the students can be
required to pick up after THEMSELVES!
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org

The DDT ban has killed more Africans than the AIDS epidemic.  Legalize DDT now.
From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:44:03 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <1993Jan21.153612.3813@digi.lonestar.org>, mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison) writes:
>                                                                 I hate
> to say it, but I really feel that has become the mission of some schools.
> Not in Plano or Richardson, where affluent educated parents are able to
> influence the schools in the right direction, but in other places where
> the parents don't have that kind of influence.

	And what influence do they have in Plano and Richardson have that
parents don't have elsewhere?  Possibly interested parents?  Parents that take
the time to look at their children's schooling?  Vouchers won't get the 
current uninterested parents involved anymore than they are now.

	If the parents don't seem to care about their childrens education,
that message is read loud and clear by the "students", and they feel why
should they care either.

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David L. Cathey		                |INET: davidc@montagar.com
Montagar Software Concepts              |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX  75026-0772  |Fone: (214)-618-2117
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown)
Subject: Re: Vouchers; erroneously labeled: State Income Tax
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:29:34 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Corp., Austin TX
Keywords: statistics, lies

A remark overheard while discussing the "public schools vs. Vouchers"
problem in a restaurant:

"Yeah, that's the solution to a problem, bail out and run away!"

which kinda sums up that argument, to me.

-- 
Mark Brown       IBM PSP Austin, TX.| Fear the Government
(512) 838-3926   VNET: MBROWN@AUSVMQ| that fears your privacy.
MAIL: mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com | Keep personal cryptography legal.
       DISCLAIMER: My views are independent of IBM official policy.
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Distribution: tx
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:42:08 GMT

In article <C16Io5.2H23@austin.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>In article <7D7NRY4@taronga.com>, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>|> It will benefit *some* poor in inner cities pretty quickly: the bright ones
>|> who can win a supplemantal scholarship,

>But this is already being done by the private sector.  Why the heck would you 
>want the government to get involved?

Do you understand the concept of a *supplemental* scholarship? I'm sure you
do, so I'll assume you get the point now.
-- 
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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:28:50 CDT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <1993Jan20.145111.27001@digi.lonestar.org>, mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison) writes:
>>	And you are ignoring the fact that a lot of these private schools
>>already have a waiting list to get in.
> 
> You are not taking into account the fact that the voucher system will
> allow (and encourage) private schools to start in places where it is
> not feasible for them to start currently.

	Or provide for an environment where unscrupulous individuals get easy
"money" from the poor through the vouchers.  Or create a black market used to
trade their children's future to put food (or worse) on the table today. 
Similar to the food-stamp black market that exists today.

	I agree it allows (not the anyone PREVENTED) private schools in poorer
districts (certainly the Catholic Church has a couple...).  But encouragement
is soemthing else.  They need to have a good feeling that PARENTS will use
the vouchers, and that the STUDENTS will attend.  The schools already lose
money if students skip class, and the vouchers will be no exception.  If
getting kids to attend and actually learn in school wasn't a problem, I doubt
if public schools would have any problem at all.  If the kids are not actually
going to be sitting in class, even vouchers do not provide an "economic
incentive".

	The failing in the public schools is related to the more "liberal"
teaching concepts, such as allowing failing students to continue playing
football (Football players don't need to learn to read, just run with a ball).
Don't teach them "white-man's things", since it is against their civil rights
to deny them their cultural heritage.  Shit, I'm part American Indian, however,
I haven't been denied any heritage unless I've denied myself.

	Bring on the vouchers, as *I* can benefit from them!

> Mark Harrison, mharriso@dsccc.com
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Montagar Software Concepts              |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc
P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX  75026-0772  |Fone: (214)-618-2117
From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: private schools, vouchers, etc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:54:39 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

In article <1993Jan26.004142.19157@cactus.org> janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner) writes:
>My point exactly Griff.  At least there's someone out there paying attention
>who can think for himself (rather than just regurgitating what they have
>been told by the almighty pol. pundits of the major parties, etc.)
>
>BTW:  Most kids start doing better in school as soon as they realize that
>*somebody* is interested in them, in their welfare, and not just trying
>to keep them in a room for 6 hours a day.

Thanks, Jeff. Unfortunately, it's difficult in the present system to get 
parents to take such an interest. One big problem is the silly notion that
education K-12 is a *right*. It's a privilege, no more. Let's have a policy
such that, if a student won't behave or won't try to learn, then we boot him
out. Then, when the parent of such a child learns that his child is on thin
ice, the best available discipline/learning tool will suddenly start
functioning.

Is it me, or is that the way it *used* to be?
--
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          *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. ***

   "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but 
    fools despise wisdom and discipline."   - Proverbs 1:7 
Newsgroups: tx.general
From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Schools
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:57:12 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: where?

In article <1993Jan23.212109.13131@rpp386> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.051611.18678@cactus.org> janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner) writes:
>>Well, that should just about pay the salary for the superintendent or
>>principle.  What about the board of directors, capital improvement fund,
>>janitors, and last and leastly (at least this is way things are now) the
>>teachers?
>
>You must be a Democrat.  A company with three workers doesn't need
>any of that stuff.  And with only three classrooms it can sure as
>hell rent excess retail space.  Surely three teachers can be allowed
>to pick up after their students - or - GASP! - the students can be
>required to pick up after THEMSELVES!
>-- 
>John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh

John's homework assignment: Create a budget for a private school based on 
whatever aforementioned conditions. 

I'll see John in the unemployment lines...

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Newsgroups: tx.general
From: janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner)
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Summary: AAAAAAaaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:35:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.212109.13131@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) writes:
> In article <1993Jan23.051611.18678@cactus.org> janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner) writes:
> >Well, that should just about pay the salary for the superintendent or
> >principle.  What about the board of directors, capital improvement fund,
> >janitors, and last and leastly (at least this is way things are now) the
> >teachers?
> 
> You must be a Democrat.  A company with three workers doesn't need
> any of that stuff.  And with only three classrooms it can sure as
> hell rent excess retail space.  Surely three teachers can be allowed
> to pick up after their students - or - GASP! - the students can be
> required to pick up after THEMSELVES!
> -- 


John, John, John, John, John........
You obviously have never been out in the private sector.
First, Someone must oversee those three teachers, and provide for
substitutesif one gets sick. Certainly, one of the teachers could
be the head of the school, but with all his/her time being taken up
trying to teach the classes, grade the papers, etc., her/him will soon
discover that they would rather do one or the other.

Yes, I agree that the kids could be required to clean up after themselves.
Hell, I think thats a good idea for our current schools.  However, one of
them would complain to its parent, who would in turn complain to the 
school board, and before you know it we'd have an *expensive* lawsuit on our
hands.

Don't forget...someone must be available to deal with all the govt.
entities which are going to get involved.  The health inspector (what are
the kids going to do for lunch?, clean bathrooms, etc.), the building
inspector (is this a safe place for kids?), the TEA inspector (What, you
don't think they want to be sure that *THEIR* money is being put to good
use?  See previous post), and on & on.

BTW:  I have rarely run into any private org., large or small, that didn't 
pay its cheif executive at least twice ( and usually three) times the
amount it paid its next lowest employee.  (I'm talking private sector here.
Not public schools & universities who have a myopia about who is sub-
ordinate, the president or the Coaching staff! :)

Think I'll stop here.  This editor is acting funny & I can hardly see what
I'm typing.

Jeff Janner                             janner@cactus.org
.sig just around the corner.  I finished it this morning....no more sequals...
 
FTR:  I am a die-hard INDEPENDANT.  I stradle the fence better than anybody
currently in the political field!!!!!
From: mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Vouchers; erroneously labeled: State Income Tax
Keywords: statistics, lies
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:07:21 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <C1Bq9A.1CFx@austin.ibm.com> mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes:
>A remark overheard while discussing the "public schools vs. Vouchers"
>problem in a restaurant:
>
>"Yeah, that's the solution to a problem, bail out and run away!"
>
>which kinda sums up that argument, to me.

As opposed to what?  Screwing up your kid's life by keeping him in
a bad school?  So far, I haven't heard any alternatives proposed.
How will *you* fix the schools?  Some of the problems you need to
address include illiterate graduates, people who can't do simple
arithmetic in high school, and students being shot dead in hallways.

Besides, that's only half the argument.  Haven't you been
paying attention?

>Mark Brown       IBM PSP Austin, TX.| Fear the Government
-- 
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Newsgroups: tx.general
From: janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner)
Subject: Re: State Income Tax
Summary: more....
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: tx
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:16:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.153612.3813@digi.lonestar.org>, mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison) writes:
> In article <1993Jan18.155057.10708@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> 
> >I don't see how this is going to work unless your 'voucher' is enough
> >to cover the entire cost of the school, which isn't the case with any
> >such system I've heard seriously proposed.  There is also still the
> >problem of getting those schools to come in and start.
> 
> If you wanted to start a 3-classroom (90 students?) school, and had
> $2000/student tuition, that's about $180,000 per year.  Tight, but
> possible.
> 
Well, that should just about pay the salary for the superintendent or
principle.  What about the board of directors, capital improvement fund,
janitors, and last and leastly (at least this is way things are now) the
teachers?

> 
Jeff Janner       janner@cactus.org
.sig due soon --- onlye 40 pages more to go.....
> You mean the one that starts out "Congress shall make no law respecting
> an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
> therof"?  The only problem I see with that some legislator may try to
> pass a law that differentiates between schools based on the content of
> their religion class.
> -- 
> Mark Harrison, mharriso@dsccc.com


Newsgroups: tx.general
From: janner@cactus.org (Jeffrey W. Janner)
Subject: Re: Schools
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:47:38 GMT


Is anybody else getting the impression that John Haugh is arguing with
himself, here?


Jeff Janner           | janner@cactus.org
From: mharriso@digi.lonestar.org (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: tx.general
Subject: Re: Education Problems
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:40:35 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <C16ItC.IM7@austin.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>
>And how will a school voucher make these kids want to attend school?

In some cases, by allowing them to attend a school worth attending.
-- 
Mark Harrison, mharriso@dsccc.com
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF Rider Training.
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:36:46 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: swrinde.nde.swri.edu

In article <961@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>
>]1) How for does Joe travel in one second? ________ km
>
>how long is a football field again?

Only one football field?  I left the blank in units of kilometers. I didn't
expect you to use fractions.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : That's a Hint, Son. I Say, That's a Hint.
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com
Subject: Re: MSF Rider Training.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:09:39 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
Organization: IBM Austin

In <C18HMB.IFz@rice.edu> garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:
>In article <1jnb8bINNnsq@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>>[ stuff removed]
>>So. Do I cover the levers? Not always, but in high traffic, etc. areas, I
>>most certainly do, and it has saved my butt more times than I can count.
>>(ok, so I can't count very high :^)
>
>I'll second that. I almost always cover the front brake lever, if not the 

Depends on traffic.  In the vicinity of an a**hole (and there are too
many of those), they're covered.  It also helps that my bike (a
PC800) has "wings" that will keep my hands and knees from getting
crunched if it drops, so the only reason they're not covered all the
time is comfort.
__________________________________________________________
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Delta Music Systems                             Austin, TX
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Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: Dick Rinewalt <rinewalt@gamma.is.tcu.edu>
Subject: Re: MSF Rider Training.
X-Xxdate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:43:05 GMT
Organization: Texas Christian Univ Comp Sci Dept
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:41:20 GMT

In article <VgwNXB2w165w@underg.ucf.org> Mike Herman, jc@underg.ucf.org
writes:
>I have from time to time depending on the situatoin
>"covered" the front brake and clutch with two fingers.
>
>I have heard that that can be a bad idea, but not  why.

When I took the MSF course in Summer '91, the instructor
griped at me for NOT covering the brake lever.
Dick Rinewalt      Computer Science Dept       Texas Christian Univ
rinewalt@gamma.is.tcu.edu                      817-921-7166
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF Rider Training.
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:45:42 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
]Now consider: How far do you travel in one second at 45mph?

who the hell goes just 45mph?
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF Rider Training.
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:33:14 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: swrinde.nde.swri.edu

In article <962@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>]What!!? Another Toboggan? You know what this means, Joe. I think there are
>]more of us PC800 owners here in tx.moto than any other bike model. :^) :^)
>
>so basically what you're saying is that the PC800 is for the common man,
>the unwashed masses, while the truly elegant machines like mine are reserved
>for the truly deserving...

Yep. The PC is just a real working man's motorcycle. Something you can throw
your luggage in, sling your leg over, and ride off into the rain on.

I've been doing a lot of that lately.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Neither motorcycling or old age is for sissies.
Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles
From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: MSF Rider Training.
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:31:26 GMT

In article <C1DttA.2Jp@adikia.sccsi.com> craig@adikia.sccsi.com (Craig Groeschel) writes:
>It's best to use all [yf]our fingers.

If you have to use all your four fingers (does this count for Joe?), you
need to have your bike worked on.  That or you need to hit the gym ...
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org

The DDT ban has killed more Africans than the AIDS epidemic.  Legalize DDT now.