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From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOWBOARDING: Burton
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:07:23 GMT
 <1992Sep04.093508.3768@microsoft.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Sep04.093508.3768@microsoft.com>
johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake) writes:

> I have only one thing to say regarding BURTON SNOWBOARDS:
> 
> YOU CAN'T PATENT FUN.........BOYCOTT BURTON!!!!!!
> 
> 
> for a real REAL snowboard............ride LIB TECHNOLOGIES or GNU (yes they
> are back and better than ever) from Mike Olson the true snowboard guru.
> 
> oh yeah Dancin' Dan Donnelly is KOOK, 100% hollywood, 0% hardcore and 
> K2 boards are in reality, only half complete.

John,
Cant agree with you more about K2 and Dan.  I can see through them like
a pane of glass.  What do you suggest besides GNU?  I have heard a few
not-so-hot things about them.  I will boycott Burton- thats for sure. 
They screwed all the old Burton boarders by changing their hole pattern
so radically.  What do they think we will do?  Buy a whole new board
and bindings?  Yeah right-NOT!


Besides making a big fuss in the industry, they have made sure that
anyone wanting to ride a Burton has to ride their bindings as well-
very interesting....  If some of the other bigger companies decide to
universalize their hole patterns, Burton can be toppled.  Its a shaky
time for Burton.  Its either a big win or a BIG LOSS.  If we make it
known to the other companies how interested we are in a universal
insert pattern and how loath we are to Burton-like changes, we can make
an impact on this newish sport.

What do people think and ride?

Gen
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Bigfoot
Date: 14 Sep 1992 15:05:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


   A little logic, please. The vast majority of "sightings" take place while
the witness is doing some form of outdoor activity. Thus, this newsgroup is a
potential for sightings. Plain and simple.
-- 
"A large creature about 7 1/2 to 8 foot tall. It was greyish black in color,
and as it went away from me I seen the backside of it walking as a man would
walk on it's hind legs."- Former Sheriff Oliver Potter, Vancouver, Washington
The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!
From: johnh@eas.pdx.edu (John Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: A little NEW goes a long way!
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:30:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Portland State University

Call me wierd, call me over anxious, call me anything you want but...

	    It snowed at Mt Hood, Oregon yesterday!

There wasn't much and it's all but melted.  Timberline got a dusting that 
turned things white if only for a moment.  I'd imagine those crews building 
the new chair were sparked into hurry'in up!

Only 61 days left til Ski Season 92/93 starts in Oregon.  Only 45 days if 
Bachelor opens when it did last year (Oct 29)!!!  No man made either, all 
natural white fully stuff as nature intended.

Let it snow!
John.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Winter Park, CO
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:28:21 GMT

In article <Sep08.151042.63505@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> johnc@yuma.ACNS.C
loState.EDU (John Cooley) writes:
>In article <188je6INNq4e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an660@cleveland.Freenet.Ed
 
>(Sandy Maurer) writes:
>
>>Does Winter Park in an average Dec, get much snow?
>
>>My local ski club is planning a trip there in mid Dec
>>and I would like to know if the resort would be worth
>>the trip then.
>
>While the skiing conditions in Winter Park vary widely from one year to 
he
>next, they are _always_ better than the skiing conditions in Cleveland.
>
>Winter Park usually manages to be mostly open by Christmas, at which tim

>they extract a large percentage of their annual gross from out-of-state 
kiers.
>I must confess, however, that I have only rarely skied there in December
  I
>have heard, however, that the week before Christmas can be exquisite.
>
>I repeat that the variation from year to year is substantial.  Despite g
od
>early leading indicators (snow in the high country in August), almost an
thing
>can happen between now and Christmas, including extraordinary November s

There is volcanic dust in the air from that Mt. Pennetubo (sp?) in the
Phillipiens.  Denver and many other US cities hardly had a summer.  I'd
say the odds are all in favor of this being an excellent ski year.


                                    NCW
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:12:46 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.140812.359@sequent.com> patch@sequent.com (Pat Chewning) writes:
|In article <14598@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|
|>Black Diamond runs usually have a sign at the bottom that also says, "Advanced
|>skiers only".  Falling on an intermediate run might cause a few bruises.  There
|>are a lot of advanced runs where falling on them could kill you.
|
|Wouldn't that sign ("Advanced skiers only") be more useful at the top of the
|run than on the bottom?

Not at all.  The sign is usually next to the chair lift.  If the lift only
services advanced runs than it's better that a beginner never gets on the
chair.  If the lift services beg/int/adv runs than a sign above the advanced
run is used.
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: robl@netcom.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 01:41:52 GMT
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Distribution: usa

In article <639@dwp.la.ca.us> carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
>>
>>launce> Well you should have.  Try it, you'll like it. Better yet, ski
>>launce> Colorado, preferably Vail.

>>C'mon, gang, this just isn't all that funny anymore.  As if the miniscule
>>number of people reading this newsgroup have any effect whatsoever on the
>>volume of skier traffic at any major ski resort.  There are likely more skiers
>>on the smallest Iowa ski hill on a slow day than readers of this group!  Maybe
>>I'm just hungry 'cause I missed breakfast, or maybe the newly whitened peaks of
>>the back range have me a bit worked up, but this all seems a bit silly...
>>--
>
>I second the above opinion.  In fact I complained about it a few weeks
>ago.  The fact is, everybody is so in on this joke that every post

I am a beginning skiier and I just planned my first ski vacation ever,
to Vail the week before Christmas.  After researching the resorts
carefully elsewhere and deciding Vail had the most to offer me,
reading here tons of sarcastic remarks about Vail has me wondering if
I made the right choice.  I have heard it is crowded, but will that be
made up for by the fact that the runs are wide and more intermediate?
Am I going to run into hordes of rec.skiing nerds?

And if I can prevail [sic] upon someone's last shred of sincerity, are
there any tips (or edges) I should know about skiing Vail?

Regards--
--Rob
-- 
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From: jrv@siemens.com. (Jim Vallino)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: XC: How to size skating skis??
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:46:18 GMT
Reply-To: jrv@siemens.siemens.com
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Inc.

Here's my two cents about sizing XC ski equipment:

Skis:
	Classic: skier's height + 30 cm
	Skating: height + 15 to 20 cm

Poles:
	Classic: 80 - 85% of height; longer side for better skiers and
			more track skiing; shorter side for novices and
			the further into the backcountry you go
	Skating: 92 - 95% of height

By these trusty rules of thumb for your 6 foot height:

	Skating skis: 197 - 202 cm
	        poles: 168 - 174 cm

As a check point:
	Classic skis: 210 - 215 cm
	        poles: 145 - 155 cm

A tip for you.  Unless you do most of your classic skiing off track get
yourself some longer poles.  Once you try them you'll never go back!!

Already starting to make plans for this season.
Jim
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: What/When/Where are the Denver Ski Swaps
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:47:40 GMT


It's like:  I'm new to Denver and don't know about any of the Ski Swaps.
Could someone like:  drop me a clue.

Thanks dude.


                                     NCW

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sagerian@rtsg.mot.com (Steve M. Sagerian)
Subject: Midwest XC skiing
Summary: looking for info about how to compet in citizen races.
Keywords: citizen races, nordic skiing, XC skiing
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: 'usa'
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:40:37 GMT



Hello XC skiers,

I am interested in local competitive XC skiing in Wisconsin,Minnasota and Michigan. Here are my questions... 

1. How it is organized?  Is XC skiing organized like the USCF(U.S. Cycling Federation) with classes of racers based on experience? What organizations are out there? 

2.How can someone like me (novice) can get into "citizen racing" (whatever that is?). 

3. Tell me about your local races..races that you look forward to each year(location, date, what you enjoy about that particular race).


ThanksInAdvance

Steve

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From: yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn 1.16c (6/22/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:45:40 GMT
Organization: Blue Knight Productions

In article <1202@tekgen.bv.tek.com> bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson) writes:
>Part of the fun of skiing is risk taking. I don't think I have ever been
>endangered by a beginner while on a black diamond run. The type of beginner
>who is likely to try one is also likely to have some common sense. I.e., 
>trying it on a day when conditions are good, not much powder, not big bumps
>and pick a run that they can see from a lift on the way up to scout it.


	Are you sure about this one????

It just happens that on a black diamond in Vermont (@ Mt. Snow) a black
dimond with sever Icing condition was filled with beggineers. I had a few
of them cut in front of me by doing the side to side wiggle. I purposly
would take the powder at one of the sides... and one of the begginers
would manage to go write across my path write in front of me! One of them
even decided to knock me down. The excuse was... SORRY I AM NOT SUCH A
GOOD SKIIER!!!

Well if you can not ski it (parallel not wedge) then do not go on it!

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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:27 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 07/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 20:20:15 CDT
From: Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: XC: How to size skating skis??

BACKGROUND:
   I'm a dedicated diagonal strider who got a touch of the
skating bug after a day's worth of instruction and another on the
trails at the end of last season (I even find myself stepping
through the V-1 motion when walking sometimes).  I want to get
some skating skis for the new season but last year was the
absolute last for both my classic boots and classic skis, so they
_must_ be replaced this year.  I hope to find some used skating
skis at one of the pre-season ski-swaps around here or in second-
hand sporting goods stores in Wisconsin to get me through a season
of learning (and I realize I'll probably have to be lucky).  Most
of the people I ski with are classic-only; in any case I don't
want to break-up with striding, just date-around a bit.  Because
of where I hope to buy, there is a very good chance that there
won't be anyone around knowledgeable enough to help me.  The books
in my "skiing library" are no help.

THE QUESTION:
   What length skis and poles should I look for?  (It is my
impression that ski length is more variable with model than with
striding skis, so conditional suggestions with that caveat will
be accepted gratefully.)  I vary from ~160-165 lbs and am a touch over
6 ft tall.  I ski 210 or 215 cm classic skis and use 145 cm poles.
I'm stay in pretty good condition (swim, bike, run, lift, roller-
ski.)  Technique-wise, I'm a reasonably good classic skier.

   Please E-mail specific answers.  For anything that may be of
general interest, goodness knows that this net could use more
free-heel skier posts.  My thanks!

 -- Chuck Amsler                University of Illinois at Chicago
    Bitnet: U52809@UICVM
    Internet: U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU

OOOH PLEEEEESE! -- LET IT SNOW!    [it'll be a long autumn  8-(  ]
From: hole@netcom.com (Will Leland)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Snow Runners?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:36:21 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Have you heard of Snow Runners? Used them? Know where to get them?
They appear to be ski boots with a small ski molded into the
bottom of each of them.  Sort of like skating down the hill.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Flat Light (was: Begginer deals)
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:27:53 GMT

In article <1340326@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:

>> If it is snowing [Squaw is] a rotten place to learn though.  Wind and
>> flat light are a beginner's worst enemy. 

Could someone explain to this neophyte "flat light"?  I presume it
means lack of shadow, or relief--rendering bumps and holes less
visible.

-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:29 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 10/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Asym Skis?
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:04:46 GMT

Dynamic...and I believe some other brand(s) has just introduced Asymmetrical
skis... ones that are thicker along the inside edge than the outside.
This sounds interesting to me and seems like it would be a good idea, but
has anyone out there actually tried them, and if so, was there a noticable
difference?  I would think that this would be good because when the ski
is put on edge the "strong" "weight supporting" part of the ski is where
it should be... between your foot and the inside edge. (this is just my
theory of why it is a good idea) does anyone out there have any input on this
subject? The skis were rated highly in a recent ski buyers guide...and
I happen to love Dynamic skis to begin with. (I have a pair of VR27 Slalom
skis... I have never found any other ski that I like NEARLY as well, but I 
like the sounds of this new ski.


							Todd S.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: Re: Telemark pole plants
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:46:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.173632.20030@delfin.com> mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg) writes:
   What is the best way to use poles when telemarking? Steve Barnett's
   book says that the telemark is an extension of the diagonal stride
   so the uphill pole should be planted to assist in the ski lead
   change. Paul Parker says (in Free-heel Skiing) that pole technique
   for telemarking and parallel skiing are the same -- reach down the
   hill with the downhill pole in order to keep your upper body facing
   down the hill.

Wait a minute, why does it have to be either/or? PSIA doesn't define a
*right* or *wrong* pole plant for either telemarking or downhill. So
called "center line" technique calls for a timing plant to help you
unweight at the top of the turn, but feel free to deviate to suit the
conditions.

I don't like the terms "uphill" and "downhill" for plants any more
than I like it for legs. An early, "inside" of the turn plant helps
you unweight, and keeps you facing down the hill. A late "outside" of
the turn plant (I call it a "breaking" pole plant) can be useful for
controlling speed, but it tends to make you rotate out of the hill.
About the only one I'd avoid is the late "inside" plant, which makes
you twist back and forth and kills any possibilty of facing downhill,
but even this can be fun to do to control speed in steep powder (kicks
up great rooster tails).

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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:20:51 GMT

In article <14598@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> Falling on an intermediate run might cause a few bruises.  There
|> are a lot of advanced runs where falling on them could kill you.

Reminds me of the black at a local resort called 'les Sept Laux'.  Just off
the chair there is a narrow path down to the start of the run, normally a wicked
mogul field.  At the end of the path is a neck high piece of rope and a notice
which says (only in French) "no skiing beyond this point".

I wondered why not and took off my skis to have a look.... talk about
understatement, there was a 500 foot vertical drop onto rock.  Hence the notice
at the bottom of the chair warning off none expert skiers.  Sadly someone
ignored the sign last season and skied off that cliff.


It's interesting how the nature of blacks changes with ice.  A piste at l'Alpe
d'Huez called "le foret" (the forest), seems almost tame on a powder day.
Change that to ice and the result was the death of two inexperienced girl skiers
a couple of seasons back (ditto the Tunnel at the same resort).  For anyone
who's skied 'le Foret' the next beginners trick is returning on the drag
affectionately known by the Anglophones as "the bucking bronco".   This lift
is about a mile long, you stick the button between you legs and wait, and wait
slowly, the slack gets pulled out of the system and then with a 12 foot jump
you're away.  You continue with increasing smaller hops up the slope !  With a
smile on her face, my girlfriend described the experience as 'orgasmic'.


> I don't know how many time I've skied over a knoll and come across someone
> just beyond it.  An advance skier would be able to avoid that person.

Last time I skied over a knoll there wasn't another skier behind it, there
wasn't even a ski piste behind it... I'll look before I leap next time.  Oh
you're right, an advanced skier would have been able to aim for the small strip
of snow at the bottom, not the boulder.  (p.s. it was my last day's skiing for
91'92 but I'm raring to go for first days piste skiing on the 25th October !)

David.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Re: Knee surgery
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:57:57 GMT
Summary: My experience, your recovery may vary

I had arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus in January of '91,
and while the surgery was no big deal (they let me watch the whole
thing on the monitor), it took most of a year for me to feel
completely normal.  I was cross country skiing again within 2
weeks of the operation, but didn't try downhill until the next
season, at which point I felt better and skied better than in the
past.  (My injury wasn't skiing related, but I suspect I had
originally damaged the knee in a skiing accident 20 years ago and
it had occasionally given me trouble all those 20 years).
The trigger for me to have the surgery was not pain or
movement problems, but the fact that my knee kept accumulating
fluid, and after nearly 2 months of taking it easy and
occasionally getting it drained, I decided enough was enough.
It swelled up again immediately after the surgery, but went down
in 2 weeks and didn't bother me again.  What did take time was
building up the muscles to the point where I could use it and not
worry about it, which I did on my own.  

In summary, if you have trouble, get the surgery now, I'm sure my
slower recovery came in part from 2 months of hobbling around
while the muscles deteriorated.  After surgery, work on building
them up as fast as you can (you can probably do better than I did
with a formal physical rehab program), then expect to ski and feel
better than you did before the injury.

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:25 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 03/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: jfcst7+@pitt.edu (Joseph F Castagnino)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO SKI WITH!
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:48:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jfcst7@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

I am an Advanced skier who skis the smaller east coast resorts.  I will be skiing Holiday Valley New York almost everyday in september because that is my 
christmas break and would like to know if anyone would like to join me for a day
or more of sking....

Please leave a name and address and if you could make it or not and if so when
an dI will send some information your way....

						THANKS JOE

						GO GLEN PLAKE!
From: hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:32:33 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <190vq2INNhld@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
>
>   Our research group is currently investigating reports and sightings of the
>animal known as "Bigfoot" or "Sasquatch". 

Gee, that's an easy one. Go to Snowmass and ski down Elk Camp. 1/4
of the way down there is a large yellow "Sasquatch Crossing" sign 
nailed to a pine tree.

Wait there a couple of days, you should see him eventually :-)

>            Please, serious responses only.

Oops.

>-- 


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