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From: bvntyler@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Very [Bi]Sexual Professional Amateur Nudist!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Anyone read Sandman?
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan25.013426.5279@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes...
> 
> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:
>> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace) writes:
>>
>>
>>>I really like Delirium, that totally anarchic mixture of wild, crazy, 
>>>steampot bubbling happiness yet an underlying and deep insecurity 
>>>strikes a chord in me. She's pretty and weird and crazy. That's what 
>>>I like in Delirium. 

I really get a kick out of Death. She manages to be cool and caring at the same 
time, and she really looks out for her little brother.


> 
><smile lazily> I want to meet Tori Amos and Kathy Acker. I'd like to see what
>happens when the living inspirations of Delirium get together.
> 
>>>The latest issue of  Sandman  I have read is "Brief Lives" #6. 

i haven't seen any since he had the key to Hell. Quite an interesting story!

>>
>>>I agree though -- Dream is, however someone I could deeply fall for 
>>>if I ever saw anyone that looked like him in real life...


--Dave
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From: landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Why I read a.s.a.r. (was: For Non-Abused Skeptics)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:49:20 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bang.hal.com

In article <C10tJ8.HD0@demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>And one thing that scares me somewhat is just
>how promiscuous many soc.bi members are, to the extent of continually
>boasting about how many people they sleep with on the net.  I'm sure
>we're all sensible people and know about safer sex, but you can't
>help but have nagging doubts, especially given the scale of the
>incestuous relationships across the group.  A relationship graph
>would be a wonder to behold I'm sure.

If you analyze the statistics at all, you will quickly realize that the
incestuousness of relationships actually decreases the risk, not increases
it.

CONSIDER:  A sleeps with B, B sleeps with C, D sleeps with E, and C has the
choice of either sleeping with A or D.  Assuming equal a priori probability
that each person is infected, then it is safer for C to sleep with A than D,
because if A had something then C might already have gotten it via B (in which
case C has nothing to lose).  This is true even though the chances that A and
D are infected are exactly the same.

The ultimate example of this would be a large polyfidelitous family.  If they
only have sex with each other, they are MUCH safer than if some of them are
sleeping with outsiders.

Not to say there aren't risks, Graham, but at least get the math right.

	Howard A. Landman
	landman@hal.com
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,alt.homosexual
From: paciolan@iat.holonet.net (Jim Bullock)
Subject: Re: gay phone company
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:59:04 GMT

cujtd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Devore) writes:
: I am a member of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Allies Union at Eastern
: Illinois University in Charleston, Illinois.
: 
: 	At last night's meeting, one of the members mentioned something
: about a long distance phone company that is "pro-gay."  I believe he
: mentioned something about that company donating a percentage of their
: profits to gay groups.
: 
: 	Does anyone know what I am talking about?  Any information would
: be greatly appreciated.
: 
: 			-Jeff Devore
: 
: -- 
:     **********************************************************************
:     *     Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,     * Jeff Devore       cujtd@bgu.edu  * 
:     *         & Allies Union          *      Eastern Illinois Univ.      *
:     ********************************************************************** 
Jeff -
      The company is Working Assets Long Distance (1-800-788-0898).  They
donate a small percentage of their revenue to various social/activist
organizations.  About two weeks ago they put out a ballot asking
subscribers to choose the organizations for the coming year.  There were
several gay-friendly or gay-related organizations on the list.
              Jim Bullock
              paciolan@holonet.net
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bryant@icd.teradyne.com (Wayne Bryant)
Subject: Re: place to stay for March On Washington
Reply-To: bryant@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:36:51 GMT

In article 12654@tfs.com, michael@tfs.com writes:
>I've decided to go to the '93 March on Washington, assuming
>I can do it while spending Very Little Money. I have a free
>plane ticket so that's taken care of, and now I'm hoping to
>find extremely cheap (preferably free) lodging.


The East Coast Bisexual Network has worked out deals with certain
hotels in the D.C. area.  The best deal seems to be at the Stouffer's
Concourse Crystal City, which is 2 blocks from the Blue Line Metro.
They have rooms for up to 4 people for $99 per night.  So organize your
friends and get one.  The catch is that you have to make the reservation
by January 31st.

To reserve, call Washington, D.C. Accommodations at 1-800-554-2220 and
tell them that you are calling for the special rate for BiNet USA, ECBN,
and AMBi.  And you know about the bi conference the day before the march,
right?  See you there.  Party on!

					Wayne
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From: palepink@lily.arts.com (Suzii Abe)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: Re: Survey: Four screens!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:30:11 PST

ellene@microsoft.com (Ellen Mitsue Eades) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.010323.24142@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writ
> >let's start with these: who the hell are you, what's the point of this
> >survey, who's going to see this in the end (data, results, etc.), and
> >why should anyone respond?
> 
> Marcus is a member in good standing of Microsoft's GLEAM (Gay Lesbian & 
> Bisexual Employees at Microsoft).  He is also a former member of the board 
> of directors of GLEAM.  I don't know what he plans to do with the survey, 
> but he's not a 'phobe, Henry, so don't knee-jerk so easily.  "Who the hell 
> are you?" is a pretty hostile response to an information request, even in 
> our currently besieged Northwest.

[For context:  The following is written by a charter member of the
Ellen Eades fan club.]

Personally, I just sent Marcus e-mail trashing the survey.  I'm sorta
glad that Henry's knee jerked; it may have saved some poor schmuck some
work--including some pretty emotional delving.

I'm glad Marcus is unlikely to use survey results to blackmail the
innocent Episcopalian priest mothers (although Marcus doesn't seem
to realize that such exist) of our favorite queers.  That isn't
even the real point...

It's pretty easy to see, reading the survey, that it was written (and
never edited) by somebody who doesn't realize that you have to do a
Review of Literature before you can start on the Experimental Design.
Especially if you're going to claim that the question hasn't been
studied extensively, you'd better be able to back it up by knowing what
similar, closely parallel, things *have* been studied.

[Point of evidence:  The survey implies that all Christians are either
Catholic or Protestant.  The survey implies that all children of Christian
households live from early childhood through adolescents in exactly one (1)
of the North American countries.  The survey implies that all parents of
queerfolk tell their children, honestly and accurately, whether they already
knew or suspected the child's Kinsey status before the coming-out.  The
survey fails to note that mothers, or non-biologically related in-house
adults, can be ministers, bishops, or elders.]

We see a lot of surveys, one sort or another, come over the net.  Some
of them, we see the results on, some of them we don't.  Most of them,
the results aren't worth the electrons they're written on.


I SUBMIT TO YOU:
     Any individual who asks for answers to a survey has made an 
     implied PROMISE:
          "Answer these questions and you will add to the 
           world's understanding of people like yourself."
     (What the University of Washington calls a "contribution to knowledge".)

I SUBMIT TO YOU:
     Marcus is neither ready nor able to fulfill this promise.

(Although I'm glad for Ellen's testimony that he is not necessarily unwilling.)

--Suzii.
palepink@lily.arts.com

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Why I won't "dance" (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r.)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:42:03 GMT

In <1993Jan21.114945.17621@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.192441.20687@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
>arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) writes:
>>I think this is because you can't dance if you are always trying to hold
>>your sexuality inside, out of sight (uptight, not at all all right).
>>[...]
>I'm not too convinced that it is something "sexual" -- although the
>line of reasoning I'm about to give leads there.  At the core of it,
>I think, is a wish not to be embarassed in any way. [...]
>The question then, is, why do you object to looking like a complete
>idiot in front of people?  This is where the sexual aspect comes in.
>Perhaps the wwhole dancing business is part of the human "mating"
>ritual (making allowances that we're not playing by normal rules
>around here), and amongst those watching you are potential partners
>whom you want to impress.  Or, at least, you don't want them to think
>you're a total prat. [...]

It's more direct than that, I think: because, in my stiffly awkward and
robotic attempts to mimic the observed behaviour of others who dance, my
lack of emotional connection between mind and body becomes immediately 
apparent; and this lack of feeling is fundamentally sexual. 

I don't think it's just an accident that dancing is, as you rightly say,
part of the human mating ritual. A person's physical grace (or lack of it)
probably expresses their sexuality (or lack of it) pretty directly. And
it's an embarrassing and off-putting gracelessness, rather than "looking
like a complete idiot", which is to be feared. (Quite possibly, some people
who can express their sexuality through dancing also look idiotic when 
they're doing it  -- but just don't mind!) "Total prat" is more like it. 8-b
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, | "You'd better hope there's somebody
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End |  walking around out there with a
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 |  bollock transplant card."
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk |           --  from  _Rab C. Nesbitt_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: crisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Badvoc)
Subject: Re: Lovely film, I cried
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:55:29 GMT

In <1993Jan26.193710.2950@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.183349.23504@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>>In article <C1991q.FGr@fulcrum.co.uk> karlg@fulcrum.co.uk (Karl Greenow) writes:
>>>Rowan Atkinson. Barclaycard. Snake bite.
>>
>>>Confused? I'm sure Kay can explain. *coy* *blush*
>
>This is one of those 'Round Britain Quiz' questions, isn't it?
>The ones to which the answer for no earthly reason is "The
>Franco-Prussian Alliance" or some such...
>
>>Kay??  Where are you when I need you?
>
>Here, dear, I'm afraid.  But my darling assures me that this
>must be some television reference: apparently RA does Barclaycard
>(a credit card of Barclay's Bank) adverts on television; snakebite
>is a mixture of cider and lager, renowned for inducing drunkenness
>in students; alas, I can do no better than that.

I think the snake bite is a reference to the Barclycard advert where Rowan
finds someone who is suffering from a snake bite

>
>			Kay

- Badvoc.

-- 
crisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk | Acid on the floor so she walks on the ceiling.
csukf@csv.warwick.ac.uk | - Andrew Eldritch.
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From: moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Anyone read Sandman?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:48:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


Tsk, tsk, a tetchy texan. 
 I'm _sorry_ I didn't see your email but I've been, um, a bit distracted
recently.  However, I'm paying attention to this group for a little
light relief and am about to reply to a weeks worth of email thats just
_howling_ at me from the gruesome depths of my account.  You _know_ I
said I'd never dare use my account when stoned or particularly paranoid
after I accidentally was rude to Swamp Thing (I'm sorry Sara).
 
Re the piercing post and the subsequent email to Mo:  It was happily
recieved and I'm joyful in the knowledge that I'm not alone...
Email is heading in your direction, speak to you soon.

Oh, no, there's no bi relevance in this post!! 
Or do my lecherous intentions towards the one and only Ximena count?!

Mo
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: Lovely film, I cried
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:37:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.183349.23504@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>In article <C1991q.FGr@fulcrum.co.uk> karlg@fulcrum.co.uk (Karl Greenow) writes:
>>Seeing as how you're in the States, Piglet, I suppose the following
>>sequence of words will mean nothing to you :-
>>
>>Rowan Atkinson. Barclaycard. Snake bite.
>
>>Confused? I'm sure Kay can explain. *coy* *blush*

This is one of those 'Round Britain Quiz' questions, isn't it?
The ones to which the answer for no earthly reason is "The
Franco-Prussian Alliance" or some such...

>Kay??  Where are you when I need you?

Here, dear, I'm afraid.  But my darling assures me that this
must be some television reference: apparently RA does Barclaycard
(a credit card of Barclay's Bank) adverts on television; snakebite
is a mixture of cider and lager, renowned for inducing drunkenness
in students; alas, I can do no better than that.

			Kay
-- 
the Crisco Kid: quiet, shy, mono, Armani-suited.  Not.  idx009@uk.ac.cov.cck
From: orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appearances on and off the net (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r)
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:53:48 GMT
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity

In article <C1DsEy.CIy@news.udel.edu> eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.055539.22112@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@sybase.com lies:
>>   I'm quite shy and demure on the net.  I don't recall ever fondling
>>anyone in public on the net.  Nor engaging in motss PDA'ing in the
>>busiest airport in the world on the net.  Nor, for that matter,
>>being topped in Birmingham New Street station on the net.
>
>Off-net, with people from the net, though...Are you sure you've never fondled
>anyone in public on the net?

   Well, not since about 1pm (EDT) today, and that's about 6 hours
ago, which is long enough to be disregarded.


>What about in private?

   I can't imagine that I'd fondle *anyone, actually, because that
would be a blatant PDA, and us shy people don't *do* that.  Well,
at least not much (I *must* return to Delaware soon!)


> Wouldn't surprise me at
>all...

   I don't know *what* she's talking about!


>>   I'm worse in real life.  As long as no trains are around.
>Yep.  You are.
><-|

   Hmmpf.  I'd deny it all, except it's true.


>>                ____
>>  david parsons \bi/ Who's wondering if he's still employed after his last
>>                 \/  display of blatancy...
>
>I was under the impression that displays of blatancy were what you were being
>employed for...or at least, what you were employing...

   *I* didn't put the mistletoe up!

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ orc@sybase.com
                  \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gripe: soc.motss
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:19:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) says:
>>
>>But why is the atmosphere there so hostile and chilly?  Admittedly, this is
>>the sweetest, friendliest group I know of, but the general aura is as
>>different as--forgive the cliche--night and day.  What's up with that? 
>>Please tell me there are people without complexes who post there.
>
>I don't know.  I only read it to get specific info, or post specific stuff.
>Every time I've tried to start a discussion, I get flamed (especially
>by Conservative Gay Men (tm)).  If I wanted flames, I'd read alt.flame.

About every six months or so, I decide to give soc.motss one more try
and resubscribe to it.  I usually last an average of about three days
or so before leaving in disgust.  Sigh.

-- PTD --
-- 
Palmer T. Davis      ___
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm)
Subject: Re: Gripe: soc.motss
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution:  world
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:17:31 GMT

h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:

>I don't know.  I only read it to get specific info, or post specific stuff.
>Every time I've tried to start a discussion, I get flamed (especially
>by Conservative Gay Men (tm)).  If I wanted flames, I'd read alt.flame.

As a matter of curioisity, what is your diffinition of a Conservative
Gay Man ?

Daz.

--
  Darren (Dazza) Primm, Dept EE Eng, Melb Uni, Parkville, 3052, Australia
 "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish, sometimes."
   Internet: daz@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au  [dazza@ecr.mu.oz.au]  IRC: Family
From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Schwartzberg, Queen of Spades)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Why I won't "dance" (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r.)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:54:57 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <16B62A582.DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, DICKSONE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Ellen) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.163438.17846@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
>st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> 
>> In school I always found that when I attended parties there would be a number
>>of (usually) loud and obnoxious people in the middle of the floor "partying",
>>and there would be a few individuals sort of washed up along the sides of the
>>room. The latter were always more fun to be with and talk to. I still talk to
>>some of them. Don't really remember who was in the middle anymore.
>>
>>  -Ximena
>    I happen to LOVE dancing!  I hope you don't think me loud and
>    obnoxious because of this.  I divide my time when I go out
>    "partying" between dancing and chatting on the sidelines.  I
>    don't think people who don't dance are geeks, they just don't
>    like dancing.  Course, considering that the way I dance has been
>    compared to an amoeba trying to mate, I can see why some would not
>    want to dance with me.  :)

I *did* say "in school". Means high school. And I did say "usually" loud and
obnoxious. I've since expanded my horizons, and I dance to all kindsa different
things, and I appreciate dancing and always have, like I mean you don't
go to discos to chat, you know? But I still find that I have more fun if
I can have conversation with people, as opposed to watching a bunch of louts
gyrate in not enough space. Granted, if the louts in question are your buddies,
then maybe you've had enough conversation with them and just want to gyrate in
not enough space together...
 
>-El
>|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^|
>|"I shall surpress my every urge."                                      |
>|      -The Tick, when asked to act `normal' when Arthur's sister visits|
>|"Then again, maybe I Wookie." (apologies to Judy Blume & George Lucas) |
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  -Ximena
From: bryant@icd.teradyne.com (Wayne Bryant)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where to go from here?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:03:25 GMT
Reply-To: bryant@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA

In article @rpi.edu, safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>Well, I'm getting my annual four day February break from the RPI
>stress-generator and I have three choices in where I could go
>from here.  The choices are as follows:
>1. Boston
>2. NJ (Wayne, Newark, etc.)
>3. Private... Sorry. :)

Hmmm...  If you mentioned when your 4 day break is, we could clue you in on what is
happening in the bifabulous city of Boston...  Party on!

				Wayne
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: what is sex (was Re: Daoism, Pooh, and Bisexuals)
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Gla to be Sad
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:24:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.183116.26693@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:
> [ .. ]  Is getting a stiffie when the cat curls up in
>your lap sex?  
>
It's a very subtle reaction in which the body tries to throw the cat off,
because it knows you could be doing something far more useful if you could
get up and go, but all your voluntary systems are taken over by the wish
not to disturb the cat, because it looks so peaceful and content, and is
making this pleasant purring sound -- so the body has to use a conveniently
available appendage which is under sub-conscious control, et voila!

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitute for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: karlg@fulcrum.co.uk (Karl Greenow)
Subject: Re: Lovely film, I cried
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:22:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.210928.10009@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>
>And a bad one, too.  His scansion sucks!  (No comment on what else
>might engage in that kind of behavior...)

Seeing as how you're in the States, Piglet, I suppose the following
sequence of words will mean nothing to you :-

Rowan Atkinson. Barclaycard. Snake bite.

Confused? I'm sure Kay can explain. *coy* *blush*

In article <1993Jan21.112506.16436@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
>Eh?  It's perfect: iambic tetrameter followed by iambic trimeter.

I love it when you talk dirty. You're not related to Amanda Donohoe,
are you? (Nurse, the screens.....)


--
Karl Greenow                                        karlg@fulcrum.co.uk
Fulcrum Communications Ltd, Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND
Tel: +44 203 631553 (Make My Day - Fill My Answering Machine)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: ST: Deep Space Nine, possible bi?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:24:54 GMT


I had a friend make copies of the first couple of episodes for me,
because I couldn't be home to see them, and my VCR is caca for taping
off the TV.

I really need to get around to watching them.  I would *love* to be able
to follow this thread . . .

Darren
(feeling confused, of all things . . . )
Newsgroups: soc.bi