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From: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe)
Subject: Re: Dismounting Rollers:::::::::
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:00:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.235736.21505@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) wrote:
> 
> I recently acquired a set of rollers.  My question is, what is the easy way to
> get off them without killing yourself or holding onto a stationary object.
> -Dan McCauley (DHM1@NS2.CC.LEHIGH.EDU)

Say, how'd you get onto them withOUT the stationary object? I use them in
doorways or next to walls, etc. so that I can grab a hold when starting and
finishing. Nothing wrong with that.

But if you must... well, one way is to put one leg all the way down, then
to simply coast to a slow enough speed with the other leg unclipped. When
you get slow enough, simply lean more towards the UNCLIPPED leg. Drop down,
then unclip the other foot.

Another way is to brace yourself and lunge forward, then move your weight
immediately back so that you bounce over the front roller with your rear
wheel safely. However, I don't recommend this at home any more than the
"bunny hop to the side" method. :-)

Say, on the subject of rollers, has anyone ever gotten an electric shock
after riding them? I have gotten really zapped when I reached over to quit
and touched a lamp. Dismayed by the waste of static electricity, I flung
myself to the ground in disgust, neglecting to get off the bike first.
Note: DO NOT RIDE ROLLERS ON CARPET!!!

N.W. Choe, nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
5454 South Shore Drive, Suite 318
Chicago, IL 60615
312.702.4605
From: bikdoc@bu.edu (Sanford Whitehouse)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Collegiate Team Information
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:05:13 GMT
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	If you want to get in touch with BUMBA (boston U. Mountain
Bike Assoc.) call 617 424 0663 ask for jason tell 'em sanford
sent you
From: jake@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Joel Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: East coast racing
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:17:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: jake@convex.csd.uwm.edu

Hi all--

I was wondering if anyone out there is from connecticut...  Id be
interested in finding out what its like out there in terms of bike
clubs/teams, race volume, and race competitiveness.  Right now, I
race for a team in Milwaukee, WI, but there is a chance I may find
employment in that area so I thought Id check it out.  If it makes
a difference, Im a cat4 right now, but should be a cat3 sometime
very early in the season (like may'ish, since i could have gotten
bumped up before the end of this past season and i chose not to),
and im talking about road bikes (not mountain).  oh, and id like
to know about what types of races are most common, too, as in are
they mostly road races or crits or what?

thanks in advance.


jake "mom, the season's over now, gimme my doughnut back."
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Rating the Tour de France(TIOOYK) Climbs
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.184511.28147@cbnews.cb.att.com> ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:
>Let's see... Mt. Washington climbs 5,000 ft.  Four times this is
>20,000 ft.  I recall that the toughest Tour stages climb around 15,000
>ft, and I'm sure the average grade is well below Mt. Washington's 12%.
>Then there's there's the fact that Mt. Washington is only about 50%
>paved.  Of course, all this acedmeic since Mt. Washington would have
>to come at the end of a stage, and there are no other major climbs in
>the area...


No other major climbs? Have you tried Hurricane???



-- 
Pamela Blalock                                              pamela@keps.com
KEPS, 164 Lexington Road                                    10 down, 2 to go!
Billerica, MA 01821-3984
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Rating the Tour de France(TIOOYK) Climbs
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:01:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Nov5.184511.28147@cbnews.cb.att.com> ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:

>Let's see... Mt. Washington climbs 5,000 ft.  Four times this is
>20,000 ft.  I recall that the toughest Tour stages climb around 15,000
>ft, and I'm sure the average grade is well below Mt. Washington's 12%.

Last year's St. Gervais to Sestriere stage climbed 22,000ft+ in 160 miles,
next years stage from Perpignan to Andorre will climb 20,000ft.+ in about
140 miles.  Obviously the average elevation gain in mountain stage of
the Tour(TIOOYK) varies, but the tougher stages seem to have ~17,000ft.+
of climbing.

My guess that the average grade for a Tour stage would be 7-9%.

It boggles the mind(the legs were gone long before).

Bruce
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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: Rating the Tour de France(TIOOYK) Climbs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:45:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.191836.2408@msc.cornell.edu> tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:
>A recent VeloNews estimated that the Manayunk Wall in the US Championships
>would rate Cat 4, Wintergreen and the Devil's Kitchen rate Cat 2, and
>Mt Washington in NH cat 1.  Imagine a 150 mile race scaling Mt Washington
>4 times, and that still would not be a very tough stage in the Tour!  It
>boggles the mind (this one, anyway.)

Let's see... Mt. Washington climbs 5,000 ft.  Four times this is
20,000 ft.  I recall that the toughest Tour stages climb around 15,000
ft, and I'm sure the average grade is well below Mt. Washington's 12%.
Then there's there's the fact that Mt. Washington is only about 50%
paved.  Of course, all this acedmeic since Mt. Washington would have
to come at the end of a stage, and there are no other major climbs in
the area...

By the way, in the latest VeloNews they admit that Mt. Washington is
almost certainly HC, although as Bruce points out, there are no
definite rules for this (or any) rating.

John_Ampe@att.com
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Mountain Bike Training
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:02:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
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Can any tell me what kind of exercises I can do to train for mountain 
bike racing I want to build up leg/breathing reps can any one help me?
I have my first race in 21 days and also what kind of weight training can
I do to help . or is weights good for training? I want to know please
e-mail me for help what kind of diet should I go on ?  your help would
be appreciated.
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Subject: Re: NZPost New Zealand Cycle Classic: Stages 10 and 11
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:52:13 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Keywords: racing

>Stage 11, Fri 6 Nov, North Shore City Criterium, 45 km (6:45 pm)
>From the "Evening Standard":
>Weissman won the evening criterium, which was shortened to 35.5 km
>because of rain making the circuit unsafe.
>1. Weissman 53 m 8 s
>2. G Miller (World Comp) 
>3. R Cubric (World Comp)

Despite the rain, they averaged 40 km/hr!  It was an incredible performance
from Weissman, who spent about 35 out of 40 laps on the front. I think he
missed the first one, & had a brief rest just before the finish. The tactics
appeared to be to keep the pace high to prevent breaks to protect
Gottschling, who stayed handy at about 10th in the lead bunch the entire race.
Miller (after stringing the field out on the first, supposedly neutral, lap,
and causing a restart), sat on Weissman for most of the race, taking 2
primes & leading his team mate McDonough out (before he dropped) for the
other, said afterwards that Weissman was braking so hard that noone else
could get ahead of him going into the corners. Weissman appeared not to bother
contesting the primes, & was happy to keep it all for the finish.

>(*In another interview, the Kazakhstan manager made repeated reference
>to Mizourov being a "boy amongst men" - that is was very hard on him
>psychologically, and that he didn't think he was yet mature enough to
>attack for the lead.   Another boy with a bright future.)

He stayed in the lead bunch throughout the crit. Nadobenko dropped quite
early (with a few others) & was lapped after about 15 laps. He rejoined the
main bunch but wasn't at all happy in the wet & dropped again soon after.
Many riders were obviously out for a quiet ride right from the start, but
because of the dangerous conditions the commissaires ruled that they be
withdrawn when lapped, and given a time. Most of these riders did only about
5 laps! The lapped riders who were trying (such as Nadobenko) were allowed
to remain.

-- 
Graeme Moffat                g.moffat@aukuni.ac.nz \ Time wastes us all, 
Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits
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From: stoughtn@ccmail.gsm.uci.edu (Neal Stoughton)
Subject: racing clubs in So. Calif.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: UCI Grad School of Mgmt
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:46:51 GMT

Does anyone know whether there are any bicycle racing clubs in the southern 
Calif. area (orange county) that are active in the veterans/masters (35+
years) races?  If you'd provide a contact name and phone number, it would be 
appreciated.
From: ggoodman@theraj.enet.dec.com (Graham Goodman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: World Cup
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:33:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Scotland Ltd. Sth.Queensferry


Tom Gould writes...

>Can someone tell me about the history of World Cup Races ?  
> 
>A comment in Velo News mentioned that a future World Cup race may be held in
>Baltimore, MD. Has there ever been a WC race in Baltimore ? Has the Teleglobe
>in Montreal always been the only WC race on the North American continent ?

As far as I'm aware the event in Baltimore will replace the Montreal event. It
will still have the same organiser, but I believe it was money that made him
move. Money was getting tight for the Montreal event and he felt that he could
reach a wider audience by going to the US, and therefore attract more sponsor
money. However, he feels that it has only been recently that the US has become
interested to hold this type of event (not fan-wise but company-wise - money
again...), helped by the success of the Tour DuPont... This is either to happen
in 93 or 94.

And yes, so far the teleglobe event has been the only WC event, not only on the
North American continent, but outside Europe...

Graham.
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From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Mountain Bike Races
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:33:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
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Does any body know when the next mountain bike race is in northern california

Can anyone give me any good training hints when racing?

I want to know how many people out there actually race mountain Bikes

What is the lightest bike ever scene or road with suspension Forks

I want to know peoples opinions


How many people on this net are advanced mountain Bikers?


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From: gould@physics.ucla.edu (Gould)
Subject: World Cup
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:56:03 GMT

Can someone tell me about the history of World 
Cup Races ?  

A comment in Velo News mentioned that a future
World Cup race may be held in Baltimore, MD.
Has there ever been a WC race in Baltimore ?
Has the Teleglobe in Montreal always been the only WC
race on the North American continent ?

Thanks for the education.

Tom
gould@uclaph.physics.ucla.edu
From: dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Dismounting Rollers:::::::::
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:57:36 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I recently acquired a set of rollers.  My question is, what is the easy way to
get off them without killing yourself or holding onto a stationary object.
Thanks.


-Dan McCauley (DHM1@NS2.CC.LEHIGH.EDU)


(Sorry if I posted this under wrong board.)
-- 
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*Dan McCauley       (Lair of Sam, Lisa, Spot, Spot II, and Victoria)
*                              ...with carcasses of dead smelly vermin!
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From: ianbjor@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ian D. Bjorhovde)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Rating the Tour de France(TIOOYK) Climbs
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:19:36 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov5.005343.8463@nas.nasa.gov> rcarter@gaudi.nas.nasa.gov (Russell L. Carter) writes:

A few things.  First a gripe:

You DON'T HAVE TO include a copy of the ENTIRE message that you are
following up to!!!!  Scrolling through page after page of re-printed
posts is not exciting, nor useful.  When you read news by thread, you
don't forget what was said in the last article that you just wrote.

Next, what the hell does 'TIOOYK' mean?


>Two interesting U.S. race routes that I'm curious as to how they would rate
>are the climb up Mt. Graham (>5000 ft in 10m) and the Mining Country
			       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow!!!  5,000 feet in 10 *meters* ??   That just makes those European
climbs look like highway overpasses!   :-) :-)



--Ian D. Bjorhovde
  ianbjor@gas.uug.arizona.edu
  The University of Arizona
  Tucson Arizona
From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Dismounting Rollers:::::::::
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:32:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: unidata.matt.721510379
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO

dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) writes:

>I recently acquired a set of rollers.  My question is, what is the easy way to
>get off them without killing yourself or holding onto a stationary object.
>Thanks.

I've heard that some people (with more confidence than I've been able to
muster) roll to a stop and then bunny hop sideways off the rollers. You'd
have to be good at doing track stands (which I am) and great at hopping 
sideways while doing them (which I am not). I am not recommending you try
this, only pointing out the option exists. I _am_ recommending that you
try this on thrashed wheels, wearing whatever padding is available, and 
far from that Limoge china set that your great-aunt gave you as a wedding
gift. I you feel you must try it at all, that is.
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From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: NZPost New Zealand Cycle Classic: Stages 10 and 11
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:41:08 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

F.J.Brown writes:
>NZPost New Zealand Cycle Classic
>Stage 10, Fri Nov 6, Hamilton - Auckland, 141 km
>From "The Dominion":
>
> [...stuff deleted ...]
>
>Bostick, at 39 the oldest men in the field by six years, won the stage
>after jumping clear from the break with 14 km left to ride.   However, 
>he almost lost his chance when he missed a left turn into downtown
>Auckland, instead following a motorbike carrying a television cameraman.
                   ^^^^^^^^^
>(*I don't know why he wasn't following the course - unless it was
>over-zealous Kiwi patriotism!)   However, Bostick got back on the course
>and at the finish he was 58 s clear of second-placed Weissman.
>
Just how close was he following;-)

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Subject: Re: NZPost New Zealand Cycle Classic Stage 12 (final stage)
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:24:05 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
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Thanks for the postings, Frith. I seldom read newspapers, and it's nice to know
what's going on when an event like Le Tour d'Aotearoa comes along.

Bittiw, the finish in Devonport was great - lovely weather, and great cycling,
and a few freebies too :-) And some bloke on a Trek 5200, something I never
expected to see in this country. Strange thing, he was decked out in a brand
new Panasonic jersey and everything, and the bike was mint, but he was
distinctly ovrweight. Well, hell, can't have too many cyclists :-)

--
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From: cadyj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Looking for Superp. results
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:43:44 GMT



  Does anyone have results for the Superprestige cross race?  I think the race
was on Nov. 7th. Thanks in advance.  Joe Cady
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From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Rollers electric shock (was re: Dismounting Rollers::::::::)
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:31:39 GMT

seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn) writes:

> 
> This summer I was in a race in Michigan City, IN.  The course was nice
> and it was right on the lake front (if you forgot to make the first
> right turn, it got very wet) and to top it it was a perfect day.
> Anyway, during the CAt IV's race there was a commotion at the front and
> it rippled back through the pack, where I was sucking wheel.  I made a
> comment to the guy next to me about squirrely riders being dangerous.
> We shortly found out that it wasn't a squirrely rider, but a squirrel.
> The squirrel had decided to cross the road just as the 35 rider pack was
> passing.  I never did find out what happened to the squirrel, but I did
> catch part of a sentance with the word 'tailless' :-).
> 
I ran over a skunk taking a corner in my first bike race.  I killed the 
damn thing but the problem was that it sprayed my bottom bracket before 
leaving this world.  We were 10 laps into a 50 lap criterium :-)

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Dismounting Rollers:::::::::
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:25:46 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Matt Hicks writes:
>dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) writes:
>
>>I recently acquired a set of rollers.  My question is, what is the easy way to
>>get off them without killing yourself or holding onto a stationary object.
>>Thanks.
>
>I've heard that some people (with more confidence than I've been able to
>muster) roll to a stop and then bunny hop sideways off the rollers. You'd
>have to be good at doing track stands (which I am) and great at hopping 
>sideways while doing them (which I am not). I am not recommending ...
> [... stuff pointing out safety concerns and stuff deleted ...]

Lest you be accused of spreading "Lore and Jargon" I've seen it too.  In
fact I've got video tape of it!  Last year a local TV program that generally
features artists and stuff did a program on John Frey's 40k record.  Along
with footage of the time trial they showed him riding his Alan road frame
set up as a fixed gear (very elegant) on rollers in the back-lit studio.
The program ended with the credits going by as he rumbled in the background.  
Just before it faded to black he dropped off the rollers and rode off stage.  
It was pretty cool.

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Dismounting Rollers:::::::::
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:15:03 GMT

nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.235736.21505@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
>dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) wrote:
>> 
>> I recently acquired a set of rollers.  My question is, what is the easy way to
>> get off them without killing yourself or holding onto a stationary object.
>> -Dan McCauley (DHM1@NS2.CC.LEHIGH.EDU)

>Another way is to brace yourself and lunge forward, then move your weight
>immediately back so that you bounce over the front roller with your rear
>wheel safely. However, I don't recommend this at home any more than the
>"bunny hop to the side" method. :-)

I thought the proper technique was to set the rollers up tangential to
a couch so you could rode off the side of the rollers, hit the breaks,
fall over onto the couch.  If your beer, chips, & remote are suitably
prepared, all is cool, no?
-- 
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<>                 <>   (this *often* works)       __o      o   ,______/o  <>
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