From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: Re: Domain naming conventions
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:18:09 GMT

In article <C0DAFn.A1A@wimsey.bc.ca> sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.030014.3565@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn) writes:
>>In article <C0CMB4.34p@wimsey.bc.ca> sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>>>I'm led to believe (inside sources and all that) that there are 
>>>
>>>>From: postel@ISI.EDU (Jon Postel)
>>>>In the US domain, a subdomain can either be delegated (NS records) or
>>>>registered directly (MX or A records), but not both.  It is not appropriate
>>>>to register simply to reserve a name for future use.
>>
>>Which is a mistake and going to be a royal pain in the glut-max. Doubtless
>>there'll be a time when you have a large company wanting to register a name 
>>that they have over the rest of the states/world in some municipality, but 
>>some other person has absconded with it before them and holds the name 
>>ransom for $$$.  Or plain refuses to let it go.
>
>Interesting point. Also points out some more differences between US and CA
>guidelines.

>First the US domain appears to be more than willing to work with 
>private individuals. The CA guidelines seem to want an organization.

This will be a problem when more individuals come on line. I'm 
working to promote just such a connectivity option to "the masses".
If one of those sites wants out of my domain, they're going to have
a problem with the CA-DOM because they're just *one* person, or a 
small company in many cases.

>Second both want an organization to use their official name. So the problem
>you envisage should not happen. At least no more often that it does now.

so Ian B. Marlow, Theresa. R. Wantsmore, or Alfred T. Tinker want to 
register a site with their initials before a IBM, TRW, and ATT get 
registered in a particular area domain. Now what? Note that such 
collisions are a good deal more likely to happen as more and more 
individuals get access to the net and want their own domains.

>To get a CA or US domain name you need to provide your organization or
>company name. 

Assuming you have a company or organization name. But that's a 
different set of arguments all together.

>To get that you have to apply to a government agency which
>applies it's own tests. Among these it willl try to ensure that you do not
>choose a name that is being used by anyone else you the same province. So
>if they give you permission to use the name in Ontario (for example) there
>should be no problem with you using it for *.on.ca. And you have no "rights"
>to use it in any other province until you have registered it there. 


>If the CA domain committee tried to do that and then another organization
>got permission from the Registrar of Companies  to use the same name (say 
>in BC) then there would be a conflict. 

This has already happened when The Brick (the national furniture chain 
who had their name registered and reserved at the Federal level) and
Brick (a local family furniture store who registered their name prior 
to the national chain, and at the provincial level).

>And the CA domain would pretty much have to allow the BC company to use 
>it there.

This kind of conflict, and a means to resolve it has come up before 
in trademark law. Maybe that should be consulted.

>Stuart Lynne <sl@wimsey.com> ......................... UNIX Facsimile Software

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