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From: adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir)
Subject: Re: Mix of 3-chip and 9-chip simms with OS/2
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:30:47 GMT

In article <BzCAMs.Knn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>There are still some problems with OS/2 as far as traps go. I get a lot of trap 0002's, and my memory is fine. I also got a trap 000e a couple times, and hear
>that this is also a bug in OS/2. 
>
>I am hoping they fix these problems in a future update, as well as make it more
>stable (I crash it a lot). I never had any problems with win 3.0, and don't
>see why OS/2 has all these problems. Maybe when they get the bugs out, it will
>be a stable environment that I was hoping for.
>
>

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but a Trap 002 DEFINITELY means a
problem with memory.  I say this from experience.  In all cases I've ever
seen (and I see alot, I am a PC Tech consultant), Memory Parity errors
have ALWAYS been bad memory (in one case the guy had his Memory Speed set
too fast in his AMI Bios...).  If I were you, I'd stop blaming OS/2 and
take a close look at my hardware.
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From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Work-area bug
In-reply-to: bjorn@ludd.luth.se's message of 13 Dec 92 16:40:07 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:47:33

In article <1992Dec13.164007.2849@ludd.luth.se> bjorn@ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller) writes:
>
> Defining folders as work-areas seems to be a good way of giving yourself
> more work, or at least make you work longer with what you're doing. I've
> defined a folder as a work area, containing shadows to 3 disk 
> directories (described in my article about WPS inefficiency). Opening 
> the work area is neat and makes you think it's a breeze. Closing it, 
> however, usually ends with one of the following scenarios (in order of 
> frequency):
>
> 1. The folder brings all of WPS with it, as it collapses. WPS restarts
>    again in a short time, and once again brings up the work area.
> 2. It seems like it works, but a following shutdown of OS/2 never
>    finishes. (tried waiting no less than 6 hours once)
> 3. WPS freezes. Can C-A-D out of it, but nothing else (that I know of)
> 4. The system freezes with a register dump (happened once only)

I've never seen this behavior, but I have found another annoying "feature"
of work areas.  I have one work area inside of another work area, and I
generally prefer to leave both of these work areas in the same state (both
opened or both closed).  No problem, except that WPS often "forgets" the
layout of the icons in the "nested" work area.  Selecting "arrange" from
the menu cleans things up, and if I close the nested work area before
closing the higher level work area, then everything is fine.  But, if I
close the higher level work area and let WPS automatically close the
nested work area, then the icon layout of the nested work area is lost.
Strangely, this problem seems to get worse if I use the Scheme Palette
to set up very narrow (1 or 2 pixel) borders on the windows for these
ork areas.
--
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From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder)
Distribution: world
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 16:18:25 +01
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department
Subject: Orchid F1280: driver behaviour (win-os2)


The F1280 driver is great! One question though:

when I start OS/2, I used to run a seamless windows app via the startup
folder. Using the F1280 driver, only full screen win-os2 sessions are
supported, so I had to change this in the windows object setting. This works,
except for the upper part of the screen getting scrambled when the windows
object in the startup folder starts loading (minimized!).

Anything that can be done to correct this myself ?

Please mail your answer to me besides replying to the newsgroup article, as
I won't be able to read news before Jan 5th (holiday!).


Thanks,

Wim Van Holder
Katholieke Universiteit Leuven          Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16
Departement T.E.W.                      FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99
Dekenstraat 2
B-3000 Leuven                           E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be
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From: harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris)
Subject: Re: SHIFTRUN (Was OS2SYS.ini file size: Interim solution.)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:03:29 GMT

>Kurt Olender (olender@vivaldi.cs.colostate.edu) wrote:
>YES!  How excellent!  What a trvial program to write!

It is trivial... about 15 lines of code.

>Booting from floppy over-and-over-and-over-and-over while messing with
>those damn Trident drivers wasted (I kid you not) several hours all told
>waiting for that damn slow floppy, and swapping disks.  (I had to boot
>from floppy several dozen times over several weeks before I figured out
>that Selective Install had buggered a device= statement in my config.sys).

That is exactly why I wrote it.  (Well, not for Trident drivers, but to debug
video setups, etc.)

Keep in mind that you are booting OS/2 off of your hard disk.  There will be
some things that you cannot do from a SHIFTRUN launched program that you can
do when you boot from floppy.  CHKDSK c: /f comes immediately to mind.  Also,
if you place the CALL= statement at the bottom of your CONFIG.SYS, any CALL=
statements above it will be executed first.  This may or may not be desirable.
Mine is placed immediately after the IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS... line.  Also note
that all DEVICE= statements will be processed before CALL= statements.  You
can find the order in which these statements are processed somewhere within
the online OS/2 Command Reference.
______________________________________________________________________________
     Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu or harris@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com
 System Administrator, Computer & Technologies Theme Program, NC State Univ.
(My opinions are my own and do not represent those of NCSU or IBM Corporation)
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Mix of 3-chip and 9-chip simms with OS/2
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:01:48 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <L7VqVB5w165w@qed.cts.com> pyrite@qed.cts.com (Sean Camanyag) writes:
>With the Service Pack installed, I get a lot of trap errors, around 8-10,
>sometimes more, per day.

What's the trap code? If it's a trap 0002, then yup, it's almost certainly
your memory. If not, then there's another problem. We can't tell which from
what you posted.
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "All [Windows] NT has is a lot of journalists fooled." -- Brian Button
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From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Subject: Re: IBM screws U again
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:52:29 GMT


>In <1992Dec14.194153.8726@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>The Radius XGA-2 card will RETAIL (not "List") for $499 because IBM wants
>>to bleed Radius for licensing fees. Thus, IBM screws over Radius, who 
>>will lose a lot of sales (me, for one), the typical OS/2 customer who
>>wants a faster system, and themselves all at once.

Don't forget that Radius will be marketting this in Canada and Europe.  I
wonder how much of the cost to meet standards other than FCC will be
passed on to U.S. customers?

I agree, though, I won't buy it at this price.  I can't believe that the 
price of an ISA card is MUCH MORE than an MCA card...

>>This is clearly a good example why Windows NT presents such a threat to
>>the upper level OS market. Microsoft might just care about it's customers
>>(unlike Big Blue) and take out the market right out from under them.

Well, If we could get a good set of drivers out of ATI, etc. we'd have no
need for the XGA-2, right?  I blame this more on the abandoning of OS/2
earlier by M$, rather than IBM themselves.  Unfortunately for IBM, they
are going to have to be the ones that fix the problems, if they want OS/2
to succeed.


Jeff


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From: glenw@remus.rutgers.edu (Glenn T. Wasserman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: VESA Support
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:03:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Windows 3.1 DOES come with a built-in VESA driver,doesn't it? 800x600x16.

The speed of it is great!! Also, Joel has written a VESA driver for OS/2. (I'm
using it now, and the speed of it is also great).

-Glenn

p.s. Am I missing something?

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From: etl1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (EMIL THOMAS LERCH)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Block Device drivers in DOS session
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:47:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi all,

This is sort of a repost, but I need to do some file sharing in a sort of peer
to peer setting, but it's not large enough to use a network.  The problem is
that OS/2 won't let you use block device drivers in a DOS session.  This is
really important to me, so if anyone knows of a workaround or program I could
use to allow me to do this I'd appreciate it.  I got one response last time I
posted, but I only got the first line of the response.   Thanks.

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From: bharris@hfglobe.intel.com (Bennie Harris)
Subject: Re: SVGA questions
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:58:49 GMT

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>In article <19879@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> phil@venus.engr.ucdavis.edu (Phillip W. Wong) writes:
>>First the background... I was running at 1024x768x256 using the
>>SP's ET4000 drivers. However, when I tried to run Word 4.0 and
>>MS Works windowed, the error message said that the resolution
>>requested was not available. (Any one know why?) Anyway, so I

>When you try and run certain applications in a window (which require
>certain video modes, particularly 256 color SuperVGA modes), OS/2 is
>unable to virtualize them (and may suspend the program).  They do,
>however, run full screen.  That's mainly a shortcoming of the PC
>architecture (and SuperVGA specifically).

>>then used Selective Install to try to downgrade the video to
>>800x600x256 (which used to work). After grinding through the
>>disks, it hung! I tried to reboot, and did, but when OS/2 came
>>up, a blank screen, nothing. So, using the 3 disk emergency
>>method, I managed to gain access to the OS/2 HPFS disk. It seems
>>that when the system hung, it killed the svgadata.pmi file (it
>>was zero length). Now come the questions...
>>1] It seems to me, that the lack of the pmi file caused the video
>>to come up blank. Am I correct in this assumption? 

>Yes, it is likely.

>>2] If so, how would one regenerate such a pmi file? I tried SVGA
>>ON under regular DOS5.0 and it said it could not recoginize my
>>video card (ProDesigner IIs).

>SVGA ON DOS should work.  It will generate a SVGADATA.DOS file, which
>you can copy over as SVGADATA.PMI.

>>3] If I can't generate a new pmi file in an emergency, is there
>>a way to force OS/2 to use regular VGA so at least I could bring
>>the system up and use the Selective Install to undo my own
>>damage?

>I'll let someone else suggest a method -- I'm not yet completely
>familiar with the new SuperVGA driver support methods.

I don't use SuperVGA but if I found myself in this situation
I would make a backup copy of the good SVGADATA.PMI file so
that it could be restored if it get trashed. Just copy the
backed up copy as SVGADATA.PMI. You may have to bootup from
floppy before doing the copy.

-- Bennie Harris

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From: lowey@jester.usask.ca (CrazyMan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 32-bit Trident drivers hang my system!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:49:05 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: jester.usask.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Jay Maynard (jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu) wrote:
: 
: I'm trying to get my 512K Trident 9000 to run with the 32-bit drivers recently
: posted to ftp-os2. I followed the recently-posted directions, but when I
: reboot, the system hangs with a black screen with the cursor in the upper left
: corner. I'm trying to run in 800x600x256 mode. Any ideas? I've checked, and
: all of the files from the driver distribution are there except for VSVGA.SYS,
: and there is a SVGADATA.PMI file in C:\; there're also the appropriate lines
: for SVGA support in CONFIG.SYS.

I had this problem when I first installed it.  Make sure you copy all the
files with the "copy /b /v file1 file2" command.  I had some problems trying
to copy the IBMDEV32.DLL files, where only the first 512 bytes copied.  
The copy command thought it was a text file, and stopped copying after the
first CONTROL-Z.  (I also had this problem with the generic 800x600 driver)


--
- Kevin Lowey (Lowey@Sask.USask.CA)
>>>>> Anonymous FTP to FTP.USASK.CA for DOS, OS/2, and Windows programs <<<<<
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Monthly is *finally* shipping! (Inquiry)
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:23:04 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec10.012449.3538@nmt.edu> stimpy@nmt.edu (John Reynolds) writes:
>(David Charlap) writes:
>>The OS/2 2.0 DOS environment, part 3
>>On The Eve of Installation
>>OS/2 + MIS
>>Review of PrntScrn by Mintor Software
>>Review of Gpf by Gpf Systems
>>Anouncements
>>Programming container objects, including an example program
>>The next segment of "The Ultimate OS/2 game"
>>Object Oriented program building
>>An interesting editorial on NT vs. OS/2
>
>These sound like interesting topics. Is there a number or something
>that one could call to purchase a subscription to this Mag? Thanks
>for the info.

Here's the info.  Perhaps this should be in the FAQL (is it?).

OS/2 Monthly Magazine
J.D.S. Publishing
PO Box 4351
Highland Park, NJ 08904-9969

Or call: 1-908-985-8358

Price is:
          USA: $39 for 12 issues, $75 for 24 issues
Canada/Mexico: $45 for 12 issues
Other Foreign: $77 for 12 issues

All foreign subscriptions must be paid in US dollars.

Be sure to mention the free OS/2 utility disk with paid subscription.


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From: lukpla@scorch.apana.org.au (Luke Plaizier)
Subject: 2 * IDE + SCSI under OS/2 2.0
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:53:53 GMT


	I am having this strange trouble with OS/2 with a new
installation. The site consists of a small 386 with both bios
supported drives occupied by an IDE pair. An adaptec 1510 -
non boot bios and no fdd support - is used to run the main 300m SCSI
drive.

	Trouble is, the OS/2 installation didn't pick the SCSI
card or drives on installation or in final operation.

	Is this due to the fact that both bios drives are
occupied, or is something wrong with the OS/2 AHA152X.ADD
device driver????

					Luke Plaizier.
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From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: Re: XGA-2 Clarification
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:23:58 GMT

pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak) writes:

>supports bus mastering.  I didn't even think that bus mastering was
>possible on the ISA bus but it looks like Radius figured out how to do it. 

Or rather, INMOS did, as they are the maker of the chipset used (and by the 
way, Radius is not the only one comeing out with an XGA board).

                                             [sam]
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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Can OS/2 run full size windows in small windows?
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:44:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.000306.26852@midway.uchicago.edu> I wrote:
>A la DV/X or Windoze 3.1 in Enhanced mode...

Allow me to clarify.  I know that you can run a DOS window, which runs
in a graphics mode and is a full 80x25, but only occupies about 2/3 of
the VGA screen.  However, as far as I can tell, you cannot make it any
smaller than that without losing sight of part of the 80x25 screen.

In DV/X, for example, you can open a DOS window with scalable fonts, and
you can then resize the window as tiny as you please, and it will
continue to display a full 25x80 screen.  Of course, the type gets
tinier and tinier as you go, until it becomes virtually unreadable.
But, it *does* work.

I would dearly love to be able to do this in OS/2...

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From: comehome@wam.umd.edu (Neal A. Dillman)
Subject: Tseng ET4000 32-bit and 70+Hz
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:33:37 GMT

	Anyone know how to get the following to work??
483/33MHz NEC w/4FG monitor and ET4000 video @ (and here's the hard part)
70+Hz 1024x768  NI w/the service pack installed.

	Please mail or reply through news... my eyes are killing me!!

					-Neal
					comehome@wam.umd.edu


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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Screen savers
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:20:04 GMT

In article <23357@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de> lauer@mpi-sb.mpg.de writes:
> Try YOWA or DESKPIC.
>  I find  Yowa the better ScreenSaver.

There's also Window Washer.  Everything mentioned is available via
anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

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From: rem5156@zeus.tamu.edu (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Why does DOS (Telix, AutoCAD, etc.) use 100%
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:53 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

..does anyone know why my system maxes out to 100% when I use Telix, or OrCAD
or AutoCAD in a DOS full-screen session?

System: 486DX-33, 256K cache, 16MB RAM, etc.



Thanks,

Reid E. Miller          -----=== Ipsa Scientia Potentas Est ===-----

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From: tedc@ee.ubc.ca (ted chen)
Subject: Re: Another Internal Processing Error
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:38:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.104515.15805@rcvie.co.at> cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul) writes:
>Three times during the last couple of weeks my system crashed with
>the following error message. One during the night, with no activity at
>all, and twice while I was working. Before I call IBM Tech Support
>I was wondering if anyone can identify the problem for me:
>
>     The system detected an internal processing
>     error at location ##0160:fff6453f - 000d:a53f
>     60000, 9084
>     CPS: Extent not found.
>     038600d1
>     Internal revision 6.307, 92/03/01
>
>This is OS2 2.0 GA without the service pack, but with the new kernel
>file which has been available on hobbes for some time.
>
The CPS: Extent not found problem is solved with a new UHPFS.DLL.  It's on
ftp-os2, I believe in /pub/os2/new.  BTW, it is recommended in the 
accompanying docs that EVERYBODY should install this new patch.  It goes
over both GA and GA+SP.

--- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: OS/2 2.1 beta this afternoon.....will report.
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:39:24 GMT


I'm going 'round IBM this afternon to pick up a copy of the OS/2 V2.1(beta).
I will install it tonight and let you all know what I think. Times like this
I enjoy my job.....though at 29 floppies I may have lost the glow by
tomorrow (this includes printer diskettes).
 
No doubt, there will be many such reports on the net by tomorrow. 
 
Steve

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From: "mike frisch" <mike.frisch@canrem.com>
Subject: sound cards and os/2 ?
Reply-To: "mike frisch" <mike.frisch@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:51:05 EST


DG> I'm wondering about experiences with SB Pro and Gravis Ultra Sound on
DG> OS/2 2.0.  It sounds like the GUS is an advanced card. The question is
DG> whether or not it is too soon for OS/2 support.

     I too am wondering the same thing about the GUS.  I've heard
through the grapevine that Gravis is working on GUS software for OS/2,
but then again this could be a juicy rumor put out by them to drum up
sales to OS/2 users.  Who knows?

     There is definitely support for the SB/SB Pro under OS/2 and for
this reason, that's what I'm going to buy.  If the GUS offered OS/2
support, I'd seriously think about it...

Mike.

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