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Subject: Re: Yet more unsubstantiated stuff from Nyikos (was:THE SUFFERIN
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:53:03 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Oct12.215240.3561@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
#In <Bvpr2K.M4I.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu 
#   (Susan Garvin) writes: 
##In article <1992Oct5.190140.19923@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com 
##   (Bill Overpeck) writes: 
###In <6693@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> sgast+@pitt.edu 
###   (Susan Garvin) writes: 
#
#### What purpose is served by repeating vile, unsubstantiated rumor 
#### about a dead young woman?  
###
###Perhaps it has something to do with her parents malicious anti-RTL 
###crusade.  
##
## I'm somehow not surprised to see that Overpeck subscribes
## to Chaney/Hall's "two wrongs make a right" tenet.  
#
#Not hardly.  When one is attacked, one often pays attention.
#One might even be inclined to examine the reasons for that
#attack.

Your words here are at odds with your words quoted above.
Feel free to try to rationalize the two very different comments.

## sure that Overpeck can now prove that the Bell's are involved
## in a "malicious anti-RTL crusade."
#
#Their personal demonstration was quite adequate.

You have an odd definition of "crusade."  

#### I suspect it's just more of your misogyny-on-parade.  
###
###I wonder why you tend to see misogyny around every corner...
##
## See Dean's reply.
##
## (Referring to public figures by their first names if they're
## female and their last names if they're male is revealing, 
## Overpeck.)
#
#Is it?  What does it reveal, Susan?  Are you a psychology major?

Are you a psychology major, Overpeck?  

Unlike some pro-forcers, I don't see a need to discuss my profession
on the net.  

Your misogyny is obvious.  I guess it's to your credit that you
recognize misogyny is not a desirable trait.  It would be more
to your credit if you ceased indulging in it.

###She may epitomize the 
###kind of tragedy many pro-choicers want to avoid, and she may not.  
###I do have an idea of what her parent's agenda is, though, and it 
###seems to be based on some misguided sense of revenge.  
##
## I believe that their agenda is to prevent any more needless
## deaths of teenagers.  
#
#If it is, they have an odd way of expressing it...

Oh, yes.  How odd - they go about the country telling of
their personal tragedy so that parents who care about their
daughters will not make the same mistakes.  (I can only 
imagine what you would suggest they do, Overpeck.  Perhaps
they should start a chain of fake clinics and lie to
women about medical facts?)

## I guess in Overpeck's twisted mind, this implies an ulterior 
## motive.
#
#Twisted mind?  Is that how you characterize people who don't
#share your particular set of values?

No, Overpeck, that's how I characterize *you*.

Do you really have this much of a problem recognizing comments
addressed to you, or is this some new act that you learned
in summer camp?

###Maybe if 
###they weren't touring the country blaming their daughter's death 
###on the right to life movement, no one would bother looking into 
###the circumstances surrounding that death.  But that's not really
###their fault.  Eleanor Smeal and the Fund for the Feminist Majority
###proudly trot the Bells out in front of audience after audience to 
###relive the pain of losing their daughter.  I'm sure they don't see
###themselves as the victims of political expediency, but that's how
###I see it. 
##
## I've met Bill and Karen Bell, and they're no one's fools.  
#
#I didn't call them fools.

They're no one's victims of political expediency, either.  Perhaps
you should have asked the Bells who asked them to get involved.
(But why should you bother yourself with facts when your
fantasies are so entertaining?)

## You may need to believe that they, like the women you seek to 
## "protect", are incapable of making their own decisions, but 
## that's your problem.    
#
#Which women are you referring to here?

The women you lie to in your fake clinic, Overpeck.

## (How do you feel about the anti-abortion movement's use of 
## Gianna Jessup?)
#
#I'm unfamiliar with her, so I can't comment unless you'd like
#to catch me up. 

Perhaps I mispelled her name.  Ask one of your buddies about her.

Susan
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