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From: "Brian Farnsley \"Hunter\"" <bfarnsle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Drivers off of Fairways
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Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:26:04 GMT
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I disagree about using a driver off of the fairway.  I have been playing golf 
for about 13 years, which I realize isnt much compared to some, and I have yet
to see a situation in which the SMART PLAY was the driver off of the fairway.

I used to do it myself until I realized that the 3-wood went just as far and
was more consistent.  It really depends alot on what type of driver you use.
If you have a driver with a small loft angle like mine (taylor-made 7.5) then 
the driver isnt going to get in the air much off of the ground, on the 
otherhand a driver with a higher loft may do a little better.  Most PROS even
suggest that you should choke down when hitting driver from fairway which 
lowers the distance that you hit the ball.  

The important point however is to make the smart play.  To hit a driver off of
of a fairway takes an almost perfect swing...The 3 wood or 1 iron is a much
better choice and a smarter play.  My 2 cents...if its worth that...;)

Good Golfing...
-- 
--
Brian A. Farnsley        On-Campus :: Bfarnsle::Prism
UCS Network Technician   Internet  :: Bfarnsle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Indiana University                                          
Bloomington, Indiana

Go Big Blue!!!!!!!!  
Beat IU!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: rmede@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: New Zealand Wins the Eisenhower Trophy
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:19:43 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

** Kiwis win World Amateur Golf Title (Team AND Individual) **

The New Zealand men's amateur team of Philip Tautarangi, Michael Campbell,
Grant Moorhead and Steven Scahill won the Eisenhower Trophy in Canada
earlier this week. They beat the US team by 7 strokes after starting
the final round two strokes behind. In fact, the US were still 2 up with
nine to play, but folded under the charge from the Kiwis. 

The Kiwi team also recorded the lowest ever team score in the Eisenhower,
beating the previous low score set in 1960 by the US team captained by
one J. Nicklaus.

Yay team!
From: bsmith@tek.nc.com (Brett W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: New to game advice needed.
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Tekelec Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.


>actually I am a 10 handicapper...	

Hey, We just got on the network and I see this message from my old golf buddies.	
Derek, since when are you a 10 handicapper??? more like 25 I'd say.  When did you
get the dial-a-club?

And don't worry about the colored balls, you aren't supposed to steal those from
putt-putt anyway.

I have tried to email you guys, but I can't yet.  I hope everything is going good
in Dallas.  Kris and I love it here.

Brett
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ear@sei.cmu.edu (Eugene Rindels)
Subject: golf news
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:24:07 GMT


Seve Ballesteros will play Jeff Sluman or Vijay Singh in the World Match Play
Championship Friday at Wentworth, England.  British Open champion Nick Faldo
will play the winner of a first round match between American Mark O'Meara and
Swede Andersm Forsbrand.

Say what is the weather suppose to be like "acrossed the pond" for this event?  


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Eugene A. Rindels    ear@sei.cmu.edu     Former SSgt  USMC "Semper Fi"
Real-Time Systems Program
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh PA
From: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: San Diego/Rancho Bernardo
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

I will be staying at the Carmel Highland Double Tree Resort in a couple of
weeks.  This is between San Diego and Rancho Bernardo.  Can anyone give me
some information on the golf course at this resort?  The greens fees seemed
reasonable, and they allow walking ($20 fee to walk; $10 after 1 PM).

Thanks.
-- 
Bob Smith
E-mail => Robert.D.Smith@daytonoh.ncr.com
From: southard@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jim Southard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Ruling
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:52:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.sport.golf, thomas@sm.luth.se (Thomas Gustafsson) writes:

> This "funny" thing happend me today. On the last par 5 I got
> a perfect hit only to see the ball splitting into two halves
> both landing on the fairway. What is the ruling ?

USGA/R&A rule 5.3 states:

"If a ball breaks into pieces as a result of a stroke, the stroke shall be
cancelled and the player shall play a ball withyout penalty as nearly as
possible at the spot from which the original ball was played (see Rule
20-5)."

The referenced Rule 20-5 basically says that 'replay' means 're-tee' if off
the tee, 'drop' if through the green, and 'place' if on the green.

Jim Southard
southard@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Hitting through the ball
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:45:21 GMT

After watching the world's top amateurs in the recent world championship, I
am in awe at how they can hit the ball a long, long way. On one of the practice
days I watched teams from Germany, Denmark and Great Britain hit buckets of
balls in the open driving range. I tried to see how they hit the ball so long
and without looking like they hit hard or swing fast. What really got me was
that the guys from Denmark were slimly built like me (tall and thin). This kept
me wondering what they were doing that I wasn't doing. 

I figured that they probably get that distance by hitting through the ball,
accelerating through the ball and doing these two in perfect tempo/timing. Also
the other thing I noticed that the divots of these guys were always about an
inch in front of the ball. This must be some evidence that they are indeed
hiting through the ball and not at the ball. I eagerly tried to do this at the
range - with some disastrous results. Now I am even more puzzled. 

I have a smooth tempo which my friends tell me is "slow". But I get a decent 
130 yards carry with a 7-iron and 150 yards with a 5-iron. My handicap is 10,
and I feel that I am not able to take advantage of short par 5's by getting on
in two.

So my question is - to those who hit the ball a long way - what are your key
swing thoughts when hitting through and accelerating through the ball ? 

I know some of your will tell me to see a pro. I agree and I will soon make an
appointment. In the meantime, I would like to have an idea what long hitters
are thinking/imagining when they want to pound the ball.

Thanks.
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Subject: Re: New to game advice needed.
From: "Matthew M. Friel" <mf43+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:20:09 -0400 
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

   The color of the ball really doesn't matter.  As long as the ball is
made by some brand name (spalding,wilson,titleist) then they are
regulation weight and size.  I've never really seen a golf ball that
isn't USGA approved.  The colored balls in each brand are the same as
the white balls, but the cover is just a different color.
    As for colored balls being any better.  They are sometimes easier to
see on the course.  They are also easier to distinguish from other
people's balls (because most people use white).
    There are two types of golf balls.  Two piece golf balls with a core
and an outer shell, and three piece golf balls which have a core, twine,
and an outer shell.  Two piece balls supposedly give you more distance,
but they also usually sacrifice accuracy and a good feel on the greens. 
Three piece balls give you more accuracy and less distance.  It usually
says on the box what type of ball they are.  Most are three piece.
    Since your a beginner I would advise buying the cheapest balls you
can find that are still made by a brand name.  I've always been leary of
X-outs though.  Actually it doesn't make a great amount of difference
which golf ball you use as a beginner.
    As for your swing: I'm not sure exactly what a dial a club is. 
Probably it is the dial a club messing up your swing.  If you enjoy golf
and are going to continue golfing I'd advise buying a moderately priced
set of clubs to begin with because only then can you get used to the
clubs your going to swing.  The golf clubs you use do make a difference.
    Hope I was helpful.

Matthew Friel
Carnegie Mellon University
mf43@andrew.cmu.edu   
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: lekberg@burn.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Subject: Re: Drivers off of Fairways
Reply-To: lekberg@burn.Prime.COM (Paul Lekberg)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:58:43 GMT

I can't recall the last time I ever played with someone who
hit a driver from the fairway.  However, back when I first
started playing and caddying in 1965,  I used to caddy for
two very good players who were in their middle sixties both
of whom regularly used a driver from the fairway on long 
par fours or fives.   The driver gave them the greatest
distance, especially when you factored in the amount of
roll that they received.   Of course, these gentlemen
developed their games back when most golf courses did
NOT have fairways that had irrigation systems installed.
Today's courses are a different story.

-Paul
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From: jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: GOlf Down_under
Keywords: 
  
    There is a slight possibilty that I may get to visit the Sydney Area
  sometime in the coming months..Could any of you mates offer up some suggestions
  and pricing of the courses in the area.....
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:56:55 GMT

  thanks in advance...

-- 
Jim Weeks                            
Ph. (205)730-4494                     Intergraph Corp.
Fax (205)730-6239                     Huntsville, AL 35894-0001
internet: b29!pustule!jim@ingr.com    uucp: ...uunet!ingr!b29!pustule!jim
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From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Driver on the fairway?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

I've got a fairly high-lofted driver (Taylor 11.5 degree) and have always
felt I *should* be able to hit it off the fairway. But damned if every
time I try I don't bury the club in the ground two inches behind the ball
or skull it terribly. I think I've just got some kind of mental block that
says: "Only GOD can hit a driver off the fairway" or something. If you
don't have such a mental block, though, I'd say: "Just do it!!". If you're
reaching 5-pars in two by hitting driver-driver, why question success!?! 
-- 
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	Fred L. Templin
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From: gr@st-andrews.ac.uk (Gavin Ramsay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Seagulls
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:06:42 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

In article <Bw2Kz7.5ux@acsu.buffalo.edu> v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?) writes:
>I was playing with a guy named John yesterday in Buffalo at the Grover 
>Cleveland Golf Course.   He hit his drive only about 125 yards, I hit mine
>worse, only about 100 yards.  So we walked up to my ball, I hit, and then
>in the distance, a seagull has a ball in its mouth, and drops it into a
>sandtrap on the fairway over!  I was thinking, 'where did that bird get that
>ball from?!?'  :^)  Well, I went over, picked it up, and sure enough, it was
>John's ball.   
>
>I couldn't believe the bird flew around with the ball and much less dropped it
>in a hazard!
>
>I let John play it from around its original spot.  What a fluke.  :^)
>
that reminds me of a time a friend played a great drive up the center of the 
fairway and when when arrived at the ball  we found a dead seagull next to the 
ball! talk about getting a birdie!
gavin ramsay
From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Change in Equitable Stroke Control for next year
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:46:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct12.164601.4137
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

I was talking with the director of the Oregon Golf Association yesterday at
one of our tournaments and he said that there is going to be a change in
the way the Equitable Stroke Control is applied to handicaps starting next
year.  Currently, if you are <18 handicap you can't have a score worse than
double bogey on your card, 18-38 you can't have more than a triple-bogey etc.
Also, you can only have a limited number of them.

As I recall the conversation, starting next year, if you are a 0-9 handicap,
you can't have a score worse than 6 on your card, 9-18 7, 18-27 8 etc.

I might have it slighly wrong, but I know as a 5 handicap, I can't have a
score worse than 6.  So I can post a triple bogey on a par 3, but only a
bogey on a par 5.  He didn't say if there was a limit to how many 6s I can
have in a round.

This is supposed to make it easier for everyone to understand.  I will
agree that it will be easier to look at a scorecard and tell what
adjustments you have to make for posting.  My problem comes when I see all
these people who get to double bogey and pick up because they can't post
any higher.  Are they going to pick up after bogey on a par 5 now?

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
Subject: How much $ is this club worth?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:39:02 GMT

A friend of mine has offered to sell me the following
club.  No mention has been made of asking price.

Taylor Made Driver
"Burner Plus"
9.5 degree loft

Aldila Shaft (Alda HM-40)

From what I can see, it looks to be in excellent shape.

What's your bet?


-- 
Andrew          
Colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
--
From: BJR111@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: beginner
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:33:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92286.223316BJR111
Organization: Penn State University

The club that you are using is garbage!  Start off with an inexpensive set
of golf clubs and take a lesson or two from a club professional.  You must
learn the BASICS first such as the proper grip, stance, ball position etc.
If you do not learn the basics then your game will be screwed up for many
years to come.
Colored balls are not heavier, the only advantage to colored balls is if
you have trouble following the ball in the air.
Golf is a great game, and it is very enjoyable. Good Luck! Brian
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Subject: Re: How much are a set of Pings worth
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:28:58 GMT

In article <pgk-131092180013@paulkampmac.pacersoft.com> pgk@pacersoft.com (Paul Kamp) writes:
>At a recent golf tournament my father was the lucky winner of a new set of
>Ping Zing irons.  Now for the problem, what to do with his old clubs?  He
>has a set of 1986 Pings irons from the 3 iron through the pitching wedge. 
>We would like to sell them but do not know a fair price.  If anyone has an
>idea on how to price these please send your comments to me via email. 
>Thanks in advance for the help!
>
>Paul Kamp

Probably no more than $200.  If I got that, I would be happy.  Any more
for them and I am delirious.  Even $150 might not  be bad if the clubs
are in good condition.

Hope this helps.

=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott  (aka Dr. J.)			Phone: 309-298-1452
Western Illinois University			mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
From: 21329JMK@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: 5 Re: need golf suggestion for Myrtle Beach area
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:16:05 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <1992Sep29.025914.9849@src.umd.edu> tjay@src.umd.edu (Thanavat Juncha
>I am thinking about taking golf vacation in Myrtle Beach, S.C. around December.
Has anyone used the weather insurance available with some packages?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: Scramble Format: Handicapping
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:18:09 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:

>Does anybody know how to handicap 2-man scramble teams?
>Is it 80% of the average of the handicap of the 2 players? 90%, 50%?

We just played one were the strokes were given for the low handicap only.

I was a 7, my partner was a 1...1 stroke.  We got drilled!  :-)

Good putting,
Mark
--
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Convex Computer Corporation         koenig@convex.com
P.O. Box 833851  M.S. SAL           Phone: (214) 497-4298
Richardson, Texas  75083-3851       FAX:   (214) 497-4550
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: trz@eecs.nwu.edu (Tom Zanussi)
Subject: Driver on the fairway?
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:17:28 GMT

I've been experimenting a little lately with using my driver instead of
a 3 wood off the fairways of long holes, so far with excellent results -
I'm much closer to the green after the second shot than I would be if I'd
used the 3.  I suppose if I were a decent player, two drives would put
me past the green, but I don't think I'll have that worry for awhile.
Just wondering how common this is - judging from the reactions I've been
getting from my buddies, not too.
--
Tom Zanussi
trz@eecs.nwu.edu
From: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht @Sun Micro Mt View. )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: How to assess your weaknesses (e.g. what's normal)
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: admiral@m-5.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: m-5

In article 9897@cbnewsh.cb.att.com, warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery) writes:
>I've reached the point in my game where I no longer have glaring
>weaknesses (clubs I can't hit, notably poor putting, etc.) but
>don't score better because of a being a little less than perfect
>everywhere.  It's nice to play better than before, but frustrating
>not to have any obvious holes to work on to improve.  If I
>mentally assess what costs me the difference between par and what
>I shoot (usually upper 80's), I put most of the blame on missing
>greens, wide on one side or the other.  I don't know whether I
>am correct in assigning blame to any approach shot that doesn't
>leave me putting, or whether I am expecting too much from my irons
>and should focus more on straighter drives and fairway woods (so
>as to be approach from the fairway more often than from the
>rough), or on improving my chipping and sand play so as to get
>down in 2 more often from where I do wind up.  How often should I
>expect to be able to land on the green with an iron hit from the
>fairway?  How about from the rough?  How much does that vary by
>club?  When should I be able to get down in two after missing a
>green?
>
>-- 
>
>	Warren Montgomery
>	att!iexist!warren



Sounds a lot like me. Maybe you should work on the short stuff
if your hitting most fairways and about half the greens.

I'd like to suggest Tom Watsons book "Getting Up and Down" (I think
that's the title). It's a great book for working on your short game.
Both putting and chiping. Got me from the high 80's to the low 80's.

Fairways & Greens,


Mick
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From: kennyl@Sun.COM (Kenny Lopez - Silicon Valley EDA District Sales Rep)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Hands ahead of clubface
Date: 17 Oct 1992 01:11:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kennyl@Sun.COM (Kenny Lopez - Silicon Valley EDA District Sales Rep)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bonehead1.west.sun.com

I have been playing golf for about 12 months.
I began with a set of leesons (4) from the local
golf pro.

After hours on the driving range and playing on
the weekends with friends (a local par 3 course
where the longest hole is 161 yds.) I decided
to go out and play a big and long course.

I played in my first tournament two weeks ago
and hit 16 out of 18 drives out-of-bounds
to the right (terrible slice). One of partners
stated that after watching my swing, my hands were
way ahead of the clubface.

Are there any practice drills to help remedy this
problem?

Thanks,

Kenny



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