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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Newfies
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:07:32 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <4792.83.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
(Kathleen Brewer) writes:
>TO:mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
>I have a question about Newfoundlands. Recently on another board someone
>was interested in getting one and asked about the temperment, care
>etc..of the breed. I have always thought of these dogs as "Gentle
>Giants", my experience with them is limited to those at the shows.
>Anyway someone wrote back and told this person that they are great dogs
>except that they should not be in a home with children. That they will
>attack a child and have unstable temperments. Since this is not my
>perception of the breed I thought I would ask you. I have seen these
>dogs at shows, my son has petted and played with them without incident
>and of course with the owners permission. ( My kids are Dog Show
>Trained, never touch a dog proir to going in the ring and never never
>without the owwners permission).
>I would appreciate any information just to satisfy my own curiosity.
>

Kathleen: Since you posted this inquiry, I'll respond 
on the net as well. 
Let me say first of all that Newfoundlands are famous 
in art, literature, and history for their OUTSTANDING
temperaments! In fact, the upper class in England in 
the last centry bought Newfs to act as nursemaids for 
their children. "Nana" in Peter Pan was a Newfoundland
(Disney's St. Bernard notwithstanding).This 
rock-solid reputation for concern and gentleness toward
children is as true today as it was 100 years ago.
The breed standard begins..."The Newfoundland is a 
sweet-dispostioned dog that never acts either dull or 
ill-temperd. His expression is soft and reflects the
characteristics  of the breed - benevolence, 
intelligence and dignity."                        

I can't imagine where your friend got such mis-information
about the Newf. And if such an opinion is based on first-
handed experience, I can only say that such a dog is either
not a Newf...or is so severely lacking in acceptable breed behavior, it should
be considered to have a severe genetic defect and be managed accordingly.

Thanks for asking.... Newfs aren't perfect.....but they are VERY, VERY close!


Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands
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From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Subject: afraid of thunder
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:37:18 GMT

I am owned by a 4-year old male Pembroke Welsh Corgi who has
suddenly become terrified of thunder.  We've had more than the
usual number of thunderstorms this summer and he is hyper.  He
hides in a dark hallway and won't leave the corner.  When I go
to reassure him and try to get him back in the room with the 
family, he growls at me (the only time he's ever done such a
thing) and he is quivering like you wouldn't believe.  If he's
asleep at night when the storm breaks, there is no problem.  Like
a baby he sleeps through it.  He absolutely refuses to go out of 
the  house in the storm.

Any help would be appreciated.

Evelyn
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From: bru@druwy.ATT.COM (BrueningBI)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Hurricane Canine Aid
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:15:49 GMT
Distribution: rec


One way YOU can help the dogs who have suffered due to
Hurricane Andrew is to donate to the 

Greater Miami Dog Club
 Hurricane Relief Fund
c/o Thomas Miller
1499 West 83rd St
Hialeah FL 33014

All donations marked for Hurricane relief will be used
for that purpose. Many animals are homeless and in need
of vet care. Major dog food companies are supplying 
food but they will not cover the costs of care for these 
animals. Please help our less fortunate friends.


							Brenda Bruening
							Boulder CO.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  4 SEP 92 14:45:05    

In article <21277@optima.cs.arizona.edu> debray@cs.arizona.edu (Saumya K. Debray) writes:
>shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>
>> Her vet's philosophy is that dog food is all a dog should have, ever.
>
>Hmmm ... wonder what dogs ate before dog food was invented!

My vet said I *should* feed my dog fruit and veggies as treats because 
they're lower in calories than most dog treats.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: SHOCK COLLARS (go ahead flame ME!!)
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:33:10 GMT

Chris Barnes writes:
>> THE VOICE.
> Can be effective with "soft" dogs.  Pretty much useless with a
> "hard-headed" one.

All we have to do is define "hard-headed dog" as "any dog with a
history of inconsistent voice training".  Then the facts agree.

-- Jon
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,misc.consumers.house
From: N51LS801@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
Subject: Fencing for a larger dog
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:54:09 GMT

I need to fence a 50'x80' back yard with a fence that is strong enough
to contain either a labrador retriever or a doberman. I also want to
spend as little as possible to do the job. I assume that a height of 72"
is prudent, and that some fencing must be buried to stop the dog from
digging out.  Would a fence with the following characteristics suffice?:
14 gauge galvanized 2"x4" welded wire mesh on 4" posts spaced 8' on
center, secured with 3/4" U-staples.  Do I need heavier gauge wire? 6'
post spacing? Would the much cheaper 4"x4" twisted wire mesh farm fence
do instead?
I'm sorry to have to ask what is surely an "faq", but neither groups
FAQ files has specific advice on this matter.
Thanks for your help.
Please e-mail responses, and I'll post a summary if interest warrants.
David Austin
NCSU
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Newfies
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM

MJ>Kathleen: Since you posted this inquiry, I'll respond
MJ>on the net as well.
MJ>Let me say first of all that Newfoundlands are famous
MJ>in art, literature, and history for their OUTSTANDING
MJ>temperaments! In fact, the upper class in England in
MJ>the last centry bought Newfs to act as nursemaids for
MJ>their children. "Nana" in Peter Pan was a Newfoundland
MJ>(Disney's St. Bernard notwithstanding).This
MJ>rock-solid reputation for concern and gentleness toward
MJ>children is as true today as it was 100 years ago.
MJ>The breed standard begins..."The Newfoundland is a
MJ>sweet-dispostioned dog that never acts either dull or
MJ>ill-temperd. His expression is soft and reflects the
MJ>characteristics  of the breed - benevolence,
MJ>intelligence and dignity."

MJ>I can't imagine where your friend got such mis-information
MJ>about the Newf. And if such an opinion is based on first-
MJ>handed experience, I can only say that such a dog is either
MJ>not a Newf...or is so severely lacking in acceptable breed behavior, it shou
MJ>be considered to have a severe genetic defect and be managed accordingly.

Dear Margaret,
Thank you for your reply, I have had several replies on this from Newfie
Lovers, one who had purchased a pup from you! I have no idea who this
person is or was. There was a request on another board about Newfies,
this person responded by say that they are children aggressive. Since my
knowledge of Newfs is limited to seeing them at shows, I did not feel
qualified to oppose his statement. I did not see Newfs as an aggressive
dog, especially now after all the wonderful posts about them.
I am going to post a general msg on the other board, using all the
information that yalll have give me and hopefully the person that was
interested in them will see it.

Thanks again,

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: dnoll@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dogs and pickup trucks (sad)
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:57:56 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

I just want to plead with all of you who put your dogs 
in the back of open pickup trucks to reconsider!

Here's why:
A man on my block has two dogs who found a way to get out
his fenced yard.  One day the animal control officer
picked them up and brought them to the pound.  When the man
went to retrieve them, he put them in the back of his truck
and hooked them to the chains used to keep them in the truck.
I don't know if he was simply irresponsible or what and maybe
he had been lucky all those times before, but this time he 
wasn't.  One of the dogs jumped from the truck.  The stupid
chain was long enough to let the dog reach the street.
The man drove for quite a distance, without knowing what
had happened, before he was stopped!  

Fortunately (?) for the dog, no bones were broken, but all
of his feet were totally mangled and torn away.  He will be
confined, and unable to walk for about three months.

Apparently, this kind of thing happens all the time. Especially
with dogs which are not hooked to the truck and simply fall out
during a turn, or jump out.  Last fall I saw somebody on the
interstate who had to veer quickly to avoid a crazed driver. 
They nearly lost one of the three labs in the back of their open
truck.

Granted, some peole may have very well behaved dogs who lay
down in trucks during trips, but it seems "better safe than
sorry" applies here.  You never know what will happen on the road,
and you can't read your dog's mind.

  --diana

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  4 SEP 92 14:38:11    

In article <1992Sep4.064553.21085@walter.cray.com>, bonni@gath.cray.com (Bonni Ensminger) writes...

> 
>In article <180888INNmek@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>|> 
>|> My vet recommended changing my dog's diet because he is
>|> a little overweight.  I started him on Science diet and
>|> he didn't much care for it.  I changed  it according to
>|> my vet's instructions.  I have changed dog food again -
>|> this time to IAMS.  He likes this brand but he now has
>|> lose stools.  I had been adding people food (very little)
>|> to both brands but cut it out entirely when the lose
>|> stools started but it makes no difference.  This has
>|> been going on for about a month with the IAMS.  Does 
>|> anyone have any suggestions and in particular to the
>|> following;
>|> 
>|> 1)  Is it the IAMS food?
>|> 
>|> 2)  What brand of dog food would be better?  I've
>|>     tried Bil Jack and he doesn't like it at all.
>|> 
>|> 3)  Would adding rice or a vegetable to the food
>|>     help?
>|> 
>|> E-mail or post replies.  Thank you.  I've found
>|> this group very helpful in the past.
>|> 
>|> Evelyn (owned by Digory)
>|> 
>I had the problem with extremely loose stools when using MAX Senior.  I
>switched to IAMS, and the problem cleared up.  I guess it really just 
>depends on your dog.  Sorry I couldn't be of more help!

My dog had this problem with Purina Pro-plan.  The vet said he was 
probably allergic to something in the food.  He now eats Science Diet 
Lite (the dog, not the vet).

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Genetics & Birdyness in Labs
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:42:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.183008.15503@cs.cornell.edu> honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.184351.11926@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett) writes:
>
>(first of posting deleted)
>
>>The recent postings suggest that such behavior or "behavioral tendency" is
>>inherited.  I think this notion is dangerous and damaging to the breed.
>>Dogs do different things for different reasons and a particular pattern of
>>behavior can arise from any number of environmental, genetic, or social 
>>factors.  Breeding is important, and temprement types are probably inherited,
>>but I don't think you can say much more than that.  I'm not sure that 
>>it is possible to "breed for birdyness" or any other type of behavior.
>>
>>Would any of you Lab breeders out there care to comment?
>
>Maybe rather than asking Lab breeders about this, you should ask
>Border Collie people.  The strongest proof I've seen that you can
>breed for a behavior is watching a young border collie doing a great
>outrun with basically no training.  An outrun is something I'll
>probably spend a year (or more) teaching my Aussie or Rotties to do.
>
>Perhaps you haven't heard about the big stink among Border Collie

[stuff deleted]

This is similarly true for sled dogs.  It is common and expected to cross dogs that 
are "good in harness" with one another.  I believe that it is possible to breed for 
"mushing traits."  Mushers *always* breed their best lead dogs.  Why?  Becuase they 
are their best lead dogs.  Best at locating trails, best at avoiding danger, best 
at keeping the team in line, and so forth.  How much of this is a "behavioral 
tendency" and how much is "genetic blueprint?"  I don't know.  I'm not sure anyone 
really does.  However, many, many very good, successful mushers feel that it is the 
latter, at least to a degree. 

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
From: blalock@hpl-otis.hpl.hp.com (Travis Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hot dog
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:56:03 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

In rec.pets.dogs, gbelli@opal.tufts.edu writes:

> My beagle is in good health, but I worry about him being stuck in the house
>  in the heatall day.  It gets about 80 degrees inside.  What can I do to

Don't sweat it.  :-)

Travis
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: genea@geneapcSanDiego.NCR.com (Gene Anderson)
Subject:  Hurricane Andrew
Reply-To: genea@geneapcSanDiego.NCR.com (Gene Anderson)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:30:45 GMT


Heard on the radio about owners in FL and Louisiana having
to take their pets to the pound, for the obvious reasons.
Since the Humane Societies are overflowing there are other HS's
in other states communicating with them to help out?

thanks,

gene

reply genea@raider.sandiego.NCR.COM

From: shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:30:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Muzzle Training?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

In rec.pets.dogs, kika.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:

> After losing 3 remote controls, 1 CD, 1.5 photo albums, 6 text
> books, several plants, atleast a dozen magazines, and a variety
> of other objects around the house, I decided to muzzle our
> 7 month old black lab while we are away for *any* period of
> time.   My question is... can dogs *learn* from having a muzzle?
> I'm hoping that after a few months of learning that he cannot
> chew while left alone, that eventually we can remove the 
> muzzle and he'd act as though he still had one on..  Is this
> not realistic?
	For really bad cases of the eats, you can take the last
thing they ate, place it in their mouth, and tape it in with duct
tape.  A couple wraps should do it.  They will spend all their time
removing the tape until its gone, and will never eat that again.  After
a couple-three episodes, they won't eat anything.  We have three cattle
dogs, one of them liked shoes in a previous life and was "curred" this
way.
					-Shaw
From: krieger@egnext3.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Karen Krieger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppy ID collars
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:22:07 GMT

> of Raising a Puppy."  They tied different colored and sized rick-rack
> around the puppies' necks.  You can buy this in any fabric store.

Ditto.
My GSD had 6 puppies on July 28 and when they received their first  
de-worming medicine, we marked each one with a different color rick/rack  
collar. They're pretty easy to tell apart, but it's safer that way when it  
comes to shots, etc.
BTW, anyone interested in a puppy?
Karen
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:40:45 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Evelyn S. Hlabse writes:
> 
> I have changed dog food again -
> this time to IAMS.  He likes this brand but he now has
> lose stools.  I had been adding people food (very little)
> to both brands but cut it out entirely when the lose
> stools started but it makes no difference.  This has
> been going on for about a month with the IAMS.  Does
> anyone have any suggestions and in particular to the


I've found with my dobie, loose stools seem to be related to the fat percentage
in the food. I changed his food to one with 6 percent less fat but equivalent
protien and fiber and the problem cleared up right away. Most foods will list
the fat, protien, fiber and moisture content clearly on the bag. People food is
practically a guarantee of trouble in most dogs, my dobie can't handle any at
all.

\/alaria

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From: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov (Russell McFadden)
Subject: IAMS and other dog foods
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Reply-To: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:33:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: nimue.lanl.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


I have eleven dogs at the moment, ranging in age from 7 months to
14 1/2 years. They are all currently on a mixture of Breeder's
Choice, IAMS, and ANF. I've never had any problems with the
Sighthounds on any of these three brands (I've never had a problem
with Nutro, but some of the "oldsters" won't eat it), but I have had
MAJOR problems with Science Diet: weight loss, poor coat, dry skin,
etc.

(I mix the three brands because my dogs are spoiled rotten and like
their food better when they have the variety rather than just one
brand at a time.)

I think it has already been said, but the best results may come
from experimenting with the BETTER brands of food(s) and using
those on which the individual dogs do best.

Hope this helps a little.

Russell L. McFadden
mcfadden@nimue.lanl.gov
From: llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu (Linda Macdonald)
Subject: Dogs and Cats
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:06:31 GMT

I posted an earlier item indicating I might be moving in with a friend
who has a cat.  I have two cocker spaniels, a one year old female and
a nine year old male.  The older male things cats are living squeaky
toys and I am worried that we will have a problem getting the cat
and dog to live together peacefully.  I know someone said they had
posted an article about how they managed to get a dog and cat to
live together, but I could not find it on the BB.  Could that person
please send me the article.  This new living situation involves not
only moving in with someone, but moving into a whole new state, so
I would like to keep my stress level at a minimum.

Thanks for your help.  My e-mail address is llmacdon@orion.oac.uic.edu.

Linda Mac
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Snake Proofing
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:17:58 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory


I had several inquiries about snake proofing, and I promised to provide
more information on it as soon as I got the article back (someone borrowed
it).  I won't post the article, but I will summarize its contents.  The
article can be found in _The Malamute Quarterly_, Summer 1992.  Let me
preface this by saying that I have not personally had any dog snake proofed,
but I do know people that have both had it done and had their dog killed
by a rattle snake. :-(  For those of you who might be confused as to why
the subject even came up, it was mentioned by someone as one useful use for
a "shock collar."

The article begins by discussing different snakes, and why dogs are attracted
to them (basically, curiosity :-) ).  The proofing is done with a de-fanged
snake.  Yes, I know that the fangs grow back.  They are defanged the *morning*
of the test.  Naturally, the rational behind the test is to get the dog to
think "snake=BAD."  For the first test, they tape the rattles on the snake
so that they make no noise.  This resolves my question as to how they proof
for poisonous snakes that make no noise.  They have the dog on a long lead,
and as soon as the dog stumbles across or otherwise makes contact with the
snake, a shock is immediately administered.  The dogs tested would naturally
jump and run, stopping to look back at the snake.  The dogs are then encouraged
to go back to the area where the snake is.  Apparently, most dogs will not even
return to the area.  The dog is then taken for another more lengthy walk, during
which the dog encounters a snake that does not have taped rattlers (i.e., it makes
noise).  Surprisingly enough, most dogs avoid this snake as well, in spite of the
noise, because of their previous bad experience.

Basically, that is all there is to it.  I did leave out some details of course, but
essentially that is it.  The article goes on to state that the cost is $35 for the
first time, then $15 each year if you want to have the dog re-tested.  The contacts
for this are
		   Gene Mosley
                   11223 Verlane
                   Houston, TX  77065
or
		   Julian Weslow
                   P.O. Box 1177
                   Trinity, TX  75862

Apparently, these people have been doing this for several years, and travel around
to different breed clubs and snake-proof for them.

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============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Cancer and specific breeds?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:32:05 GMT


Dave, what kind of cancer are you talking about?  It's a big subject.
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