HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jrsellec@socs.uts.edu.au (j r selleck)
Subject: Re: CIV: Canals?
Keywords: Civilization
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:00:25 GMT

jstevens@linda.carleton.ca (Jonathan Stevenson) writes:


>Another feature that would be nice in Civilization is the construction
>of canals (to allow ships to take a short-cut from one side of a
>continent to the other).  There's been many games where I could have
>used this.  I believe such a feature would be possible only after a
>cilization has acquired Engineering, Bridge Building and Railroads
>(which would simulate how REAL canal building on Earth only started to
>become important in the early 1800's).  Heck, the Suez Canal or Panama
>Canal could even be considered as another WOW!

>Just some random thoughts for all you HACKERS out there, from a guy
>STILL trying to win at Emperor level on V4!

Yes I know the feeling..  I am getting close but I haven't done it yet.


I do know how to build a canal...  I have done it but only across a length of two squares.

Of course the solution is to build a tiny city to create the Canal.

   ~                OOOO
		     OOOO
if you can imagine	     OOOOO
this being on side	     OOOO
of a continent	      CB       and this the other
                     OOOO
Side A                          Side B

IF B is you big City and C is you little City, any ship in B can move to C   adn Vice Versa.
You dont need to do anything with City C (except perhaps a Temple)

I know this works  but not sure about using it in version 4 ??

Hope this helps and best of luck with Winning.

--
jrsellec@syzygy.socs.uts.edu.au        James Selleck

  "There are, in fact, two things: science and opinion;
    the former begets knowlegde, the latter ignorance." - Hippocrates
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: M22110@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: LSL2 question
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:19:27 GMT

>Dudes,
>
>I am playing LSL2 and have parachuted down to the island.  I can't get past the
> quicksand.  How do I get through it?
>
>Please no hints.  Just tell me what to do.
From: ARNOLD@VM1.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: Vorpal Sword - Secret of Silver Blades
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:08:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: VM1.168A3AAC6.ARNOLD
Organization: Oklahoma State University

In article <1992Nov17.205921.25496@ncsu.edu>
mrmarcel@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Marcelais) writes:
 
>|> The vorpal sword does exist.  I found it and gave it to my Ranger.  I don't
>|> remember where I found it, but I do know it is there.
>|>
>|> The Dawg
>
>
>The vorpal sword does not exist in Secret of the Silver Bonds.  It's just a
>red herring.  Now a vorpal sword does exist in Pool of Darkness (part IV of
>the series, Secret of SB is part III)
>
>As proof, I broke out my hex viewer (Norton's Disk Edit) and looked for the
>vorpal sword in the internal weapon list.  It wasn't there.  Nor was there a
>message about xxx being beheaded.  Both of these strings appeared in Pool of
>Darkness (in their programs.)
>
 
 
 
Ok, so I got my games confused, but I knew I found one somewhere.
 
The Dawg
From: dan@dunaad.co.uk (Daniel Hunter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: King's Quest 5 HELP!
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:00:37 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

>I know this game may be getting a little old, but I just got it...
>Anyway, can someone give me some hints or a spoiler for kq5?
>
>I can't get past the ice queen, obviously I have not done something before
>reaching her palace that I need to do...but WHAT? Her wolves always kill me...
>
>Someone, please post or e-mail a hint --- thanks!


SPOILERS

you play the harp you get from the weeping willow tree (this is in the
village section) after you give her heart back.
hope this helps.
-- 
          DD      AAAAA   NN     N
          D  D   A     A  N N    N
          D   D  AAAAAAA  N  N   N
          D   D  A     A  N   N  N
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From: eloo@ic.sunysb.edu (Ed)
Subject: Need Help in Summoning (Seal Five)
Originator: eloo@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu
Keywords: Broken Seal #5
Organization: SUNYSB
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:14:49 GMT

	I am stumped on this so if someone can help me out,
please do so...

	I can't seem to find the fifth part of the seal! Help!

	Also, on the level of seal 2 (I think), there is a circular
corridor which using the map looks like an "omega".  I killed some
guy at the upper right end of this corridor, and cannot move the lever
in the ground (it says it cannot budge?).  The gate near this lever 
can't be opened with a kano spell either.  What should I do? All help
is appreciated. 

Ed   (eloo@ic.sunysb.edu)

	
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: The Incredible Machine - Puzzle 8
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:43:03 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
Keywords: game bytes magazine

In article <1992Nov17.015103.20918@athena.mit.edu> merklin@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy Y Kwon) writes:
>I have solved puzzle 8 in a couple of ways, but I have a question:
>
>One way that I solved puzzle 8 was to put a seesaw above the cage, tie
>the ropes accordingly so that when the balloon rises, it would push up
>on the lower seesaw, which would make the upper seesaw pull up on the
>cage, releasing Pokey the Cat. This way, it would seem that the
>balloon had enough force to push up the seesaw, which eventually
>pulled up the cage. Based on this, the balloon was able to pull up the
>cage. However, when I simply tie a balloon to the cage, the balloon
>does NOT pull up the cage. This seems strange because there appears to be
>no mechanical advantage in the seesaws. Am I correct in this observation,
>or am I missing something funny here?

	I'd noticed the same phenomena, similarly, a balloon can push a 
seesaw up, but not pull it. My guess is that physics has been twiddled a
little to make you use the complicated solution :)
	Also, have you noticed just how bouncy bowling balls can be?
They don't seem to behave that much differently from basket balls.
	I love this game, talking about it gets *so* silly. Anyone hear a
release date more precise than 'November 92'?
	-Liz




-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Wool is the easiest fiber to spin, it has scales on
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	the surface which interlock, making a very strong 
                   | 	thread. It practically spins itself. 
ilaine@panix.com   |    I can see by your expression that you don't believe me.
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From: edg@Ingres.COM (Ed Goldman)
Subject: Re: NEED HELP WITH SUMMONING (BLUE KNIGHT LEVEL)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:42:15 GMT

cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell) writes:
: wfuller@latech.edu (William G. Fuller) writes:
: 
: >I'm currently playing a game called The Summoning.  I've
: >got to the Level of the Blue Knight with few problems.
: >However, within this level there is a room which contains
: >16 levers that control the opening of the doors to
: >the lower right.  If you've played the game, you probably
: >know what I'm talking about.
: 
: >I can't for the life of me figure out the controlling 
: >sequence of these levers.  Any help would be appreciated. I
: >really don't want to buy the clue book, because then it
: >would be to easy to look up things.
: 
: Me too! 
: 

If this is the room I'm thinking of (is there a skull nearby that says
something like "...Odd isn't it?") then you need to pull every other lever
starting from upper left and snaking your way down.  "Odd" is the clue to
pull only the odd numbered levers.

-edg-
From: parker@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bryan Parker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: ***Questions about Starflight*****
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:34:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov17.155819.1883@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_arthurjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>1. Is there really a person named Harrison somewhere in the game
>   and if so where?

I don't remember anybody named Harrison...

>2. What can I do about those damn Uhleks?

How many black egg devices did you say you've found?  >;-)

>3. What other adventures if any, are in this game?

None!  Game over!  Kaput!  Get Starflight II!  Better yet, get Star Control II.

>4. Are there any other good artifacts besides the following?

[list deleted]

Ah, you must have missed the Red Herring.  :)





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From: omar@osf.org (Mark Marino)
Subject: Stunt Island for Amazon trade anyone?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:12:38 GMT

I have the great new adventure game Amazon from Access for trade.  It supports
SVGA (640x400), used digitized voices and filmed actors and it has a great 
stereo soundtrack.  Great game, in my opinion.

I'd like to trade it for Stunt Island, but I'm interested in other trades as
well.  I'll also sell it.

Also for trade/sale is Countdown, also from Access, which is a good adventure
game too.  

See ya,
Mark


-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
|                                                                             |
| Mark Marino              | omar@osf.org           |  uunet!osf!omar         |
| Open Software Foundation | 11 Cambridge Center    |  Cambridge, MA 02142    |
|_____________________________________________________________________________|
From: raellero@vela.acs.oakland.edu (ELLERO ROGER A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: GAME BYTES Interviews! Sid Meier!
Keywords: game bytes magazine
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:45:41 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

In article <1ejv8pINNdnr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua Randall) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.201159.15153@b11.b11.ingr.com> ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com writes:
>
>[deletion]
>
>>any others you are interested in??
>
>Yes, how about Chris Roberts of Origin?  Please please please please beg beg
>beg beg whimper whimper whimper....  (etc, but this is degrading, so I'll
>stop).
>
>Wing Commander fans everywhere would probably love to hear from him!
>
>-- 
>Joshua E. Randall                       randall-joshua@yale.edu

And Paul Reiche (Accolade).
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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Out Of This World Crack Needed!!!!
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:21:44 GMT

Hi,

	My coded wheel for Out Of This World got hit by my brother.  He's 
about to die soon :) .  So, I'm desperatly looking for the crack.  
Can anyone email it to me or tell me on which FTP site I can find it?
	Please?!?!?

                                         ____
              _  _  _                  / \   \ 
            /' )' )' )                |   |   |           
              /  /  /                 | (_|__/         \   
             /     /  __. .__    ___  |   |  __.  . .   \  .   ___ 
            /     (__(_/|__) )__/(__   \_/__(_/|__)\_)__/\__)__) <_ 
                    Markus on QuartzPARADISE and AfterFive
                            (506)855-4974 - Canada
+---------------------------------------------+-----------------------------+
|            markus@info.umoncton.ca          | "My son, ask for thyself    |
|     For Talk:  8900795@info.umoncton.ca     |  another kingdom.  For that |
|---------------------------------------------+  which I leave is too small |
| When all else fails,  read the instructions |  for thee" - King Philippe  |
+---------------------------------------------+-----------------------------+
From: dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com (Danny Low)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:32:57 GMT
Subject: Re: W7-HELP!!!
Organization: HP LOVECRAFT DIVISION
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games

(Jason Spielman) 
1)  How does one kill beast of 1000 eyes?  That little shit is impossible to
    kill.  

There are several magical items that protect against that light spell.
You get over 1,000,000 XPs for defeating that monster. It is also an
optional battle. I think all the Gorrors are optional.

2)  There is this ghost that keeps running around screaming 'Where is my
    bmocyenob'  which is boneycomb backwards.  So I assume it means the
    bone comb and brushes I found way back in Gorn Castle.  What do I do with
    them?  Do I use them at the Gorn Queens grave? (That though only occured
    to me now so I have to wait until I get home to try it.)

You got it.

			   Danny Low
    "Question Authority and the Authorities will question You"
	   Valley of Hearts Delight, Silicon Valley
	     HP CPCD   dlow@pollux.svale.hp.com
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From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: The Incredible Machine Demo? Where? FOUND!!!!!!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:52:07 GMT

harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:

>On an entirely different note...

>Now that people are getting their Gravis Ultrasounds, has anyone figured
>out how to use it with Tim?

Load SBOS, then type TIM. :) Seriously though, the game worked fine on my
system with the GUS on 220h and IRQ 5. What seems to be your problem?

>-- 
>=============================================================================
>Mark Harrison           |  "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
>harrison@sun.lclark.edu |   Our great computers fill the hallowed halls."
>              -- Me     |                                    -- Rush
From: i3y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Adam Nicolas Cheal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Need help on Leg. of Kyrandia
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:34:08 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca

O.K. I need help with Kyrandia in a huge way...
Here's what I've done, and what I need to know

Spoiler's follow...











I've got everything in Zanthia's place, and I've made two potions using
her machine (a blue and a yellow one), and the little punk has stolen
the chalice after I used my "pull" spell. I've dropped the red ruby in the
cauldron and it turned it red, but I don't know what the other ingredient is!
Also, how do I get the chalice back from that little creature. Finally,
how do I operatee that "teleport" thing on the northern beach (with the two
golden horses). Help is much appreciated, as I am FRUSTRATED.

Please e-mail me at i3y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca, or post it on this newsgroup
if you don't have access to e-mail. Thanks.
From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Stuck in Amazon
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:11:12 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello netters,

I am stuck in Amazon.  I got to the boat, and I am trying to get the key 
out of the Captain's cabin with the fish hook, but every time I try to
do this, a 'guard' comes around the corner and blows me away.  So I think,
maybe if I kill the evil guy (I can't remember his name--he slapped me 
overboard), I can get the keys.  So I move the crate, aim the harpoon, and
try to fire when he comes into range.  But I can't fire.  I think it needs
to be loaded or something, but I can't find a harpoon anywhere.  Can
anyone help?

Thanks,


-- 
| Charles A. Thompson      | thompson@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu        |
| University of Kansas     | thompson@ukanvax.cc.ukans.edu       |
| > They call me SkiBum <  | 32 bit OS/2 2.0 is for you!         |
|----------------------------------------------------------------|
| Listen to Rush Limbaugh from 12-3 EST on the radio EVERYWHERE! |
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From: blum@medici.ils.nwu.edu (Dan Blum)
Subject: Re: Wolfenstein music, trivia question
Reply-To: blum@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:12:15 GMT

"Deustchland Uber Alles" was written long before the Nazis came to
power, and refers (I believe) to the unification of Germany (i.e.,
Germany as opposed to individual states with their regional loyalties,
quarrels, etc.).  I don't know when it became the national anthem,
though.  Are there any Germans out there who could enlighten us?

--
_____________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum           Institute for the Learning Sciences   Room 327
blum@ils.nwu.edu   1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201   708-467-2306

 He thought he saw an Argument
 that proved he was the Pope;
 he looked again and found it was
 a Bar of Mottled Soap.
"A fact so dread,"
 he faintly said,
"extinguishes all hope!"
____________________________________________________________________
From: tozz@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Bob Tausworthe)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:28:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to get Links386 Pro 1.05??
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games

>/ hpindda:comp.sys.ibm.pc.games / twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) /  9:25 am  Nov  9, 1992 /
>
>Hello all. I bought Links386 Pro and as it turns out I need the latest
>version, 1.05, to make it work with my Ultrasound. Access said that this
>version 1.05 can be had from their BBS and also various other BBSs all
>over. Does anyone know if there is an ftp site that has 1.05?
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Thomas.
>

Could someone send it to me also? I don't have a modem on my PC.

	thanks in advance

			    tozz
			    tozz@cup.hp.com

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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: The Incredible Machine - incredible, but slow?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:38:39 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <KAN.92Nov18171708@bugs-bunny.rtp.dg.com> kan@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:

>Also, it really bugs me that a balloon can stop/deflect a
>rolling/dropping bowling ball.  I want that balloon to be knocked out
>of the way, even smooshed or popped!

	I noticed that too, I was looking for yet another way to solve level 8
while I wait for the copy I ordered from Sierra to show up at my doorstep ;).
I was  sure I'd found a way when that bowling ball hit the balloon and came
to a dead stop. Either bowling balls or very light or baloons have a *lot*
of friction.
	-Liz



-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Wool is the easiest fiber to spin, it has scales on
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	the surface which interlock, making a very strong 
                   | 	thread. It practically spins itself. 
ilaine@panix.com   |    I can see by your expression that you don't believe me.
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From: mgb5528@cc.utah.edu (MICHAEL G. BECK)
Subject: Re: Spellcasting 301 -- Spring Break
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Spellcasting, 301, spellcasting, spring break, Spring Break
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:16 MST  

In article <1992Nov16.035457.3930@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, noname@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (  ) writes...
{ 
{I need some hint for the game: Spellcasting 301 -- Spring Break.
{  
{I can not make the Magic Carpet to take off. I tried casting the magic word 
{to all kinds of object. But nothing works.
{  
{Please help. Thanks.
{  
{Kevin Feng, ckf@hover.att.com
{  
    When the control panel come on to the screen do you notice that there is a 
button marked "takeoff" ?
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From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: SB16 vs PAS16 (vs GUS)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:57:55 GMT

mak@snake10.cs.wisc.edu (Wing Mak) writes:

>In article <By5pC1.Jwx@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>>If a war does ignite, then I'm on your side, Adrian.  In the sub-$500
>>soundcard market, there's the GUS at $150, sounding better than anything
>>else, and arguably just as good as the $500 big boys.  Compatibility
>>aside, it's laughable that anyone should ponder whether to get a PAS-16
>             ^^^^^^^^^
>>or a SBPro (or -16) when there's such a clear winner on the side.
>>
>>Phat.

>I have no intention to ignite a war, but just want to remind you that there 
>will be a daughter board for the SB16 that use wave table synthesis. That
>is, SB16 will have both compatibility and wave table synthesis. And of 
>course, the SB16 will not have any SB emulation problem that the GUS is 
>now being critized.

Just thought I'd chip in my $0.02 worth. The GUS can co-exist with a SB, and 
what is the price for this combo? Doubt if it'll cost more than $250, which
is around half of what the SB16/Wave Table combo is expected to cost. 
What about SB-Pro compatibility you say? Okay, stick a SB pro with a GUS then.
Still cheaper than the aforementioned combo.

>I don't intent to say that the GUS is inferior to SB16, it is still a good deal
>at a price ~$150. Phat, but I personally don't buy your point that considering
>to buy the SB16 is laughable, the winner is not quite clear as you have 
>claimed. IMHO, which one is the best is still debatable, Phat, you have every
>right to insist in saying that GUS is the best, but don't expect everyone
>else in the world will agree on that.

How about best value for the money? I've yet to see ( or maybe, hear ;-) ) 
a card at that price range that sounds better than the GUS. 

>--Eric.

Gabriel





Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: veen2976@mach1.wlu.ca (veenstra christopher)
Subject: Wizardry 7 + memory
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:11:39 GMT

Hi netters!

  I just bought Wizardry 7.  Looks great!  problem is, it took me about 2
hours to (barely) get enough free conventional memory to run it.  Even then,
it wouldn't run on the machine I want it to.  What I need is to know how to
put config.sys and autoexec.bat on a floppy so that I have enough memory.
To the flamelords: I know how to put them on a floppy, i want to know what
to put in them!  Basically, my system has stacker, and I require a mouse
driver.  The system is a 286, as well.  The best I can do is get 587k free,
and it requires 590k.  I'm also using DOS 5.

If you can help,

Please respond,
Chris Veenstra
veen2976@mach1.wlu.ca
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From: colwell@pdx023.world (Robert Colwell)
Subject: Trek Next Gen question
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:58:04 GMT

My kids and I are trying to work through Star Trek: 25th Anniv Ed. We
actually stumbled all the way through Demon World successfully, and got
overconfident.

Now we are trying to do the Myramid episode. We figured out how to
transport to the other ship, we found the transmogrifier, but we can't see
how to repair the other ship's transporter mechanism. We think we need that
to beam ourselves onto the Elasi's bridge.

We also found the side corridor, where 9 Federation crewmembers are being
held, but we can't see how to spring them.

Any clues (or outright spoilers) would make you a hero to my kids. Thanks
in advance.

Bob Colwell  colwell@ichips.intel.com  503-696-4550
Intel Corp.  JF1-19
5200 NE Elam Young Parkway
Hillsboro, Oregon 97124
From: achatche@quads.uchicago.edu (andrew curtis hatchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: Are we gonna live in a mice kingdom?
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:19:45 GMT
Reply-To: achatche@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

The subject of mouse vs. keyboard has been hashed out several times on
CompuServe, where the game companies can give us their side of the
story.  What it comes down to is that if you poll on any on-line service,
the users will prefer keyboard interfaces, but, if you go out into the
broader market, the users prefer mouse interfaces by far.  Basically, if
you're a good enough typist to be sending messages on the Usenet, and
if you're good enough with computers to be using the Usenet, you're gonna
want harder games with harder puzzles and more typing than the average
gameplayer is able to handle simply because you're probably smarter than
the average gameplayer.  Unfortunately, us smart folks just aren't a
big enough market :(
	Andrew Hatchell
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