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From: afv@uk.ac.cam.eng (Frans Volschenk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Joe's TRanslation
Keywords: Joseph Weinstein
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:52:06 GMT
Reply-To: afv@uk.ac.cam.eng
Followup-To: joe's translation request
Organization: University of Cambridge


Dear Joe,

Sorry for using the news for this, but it seems
as if your e-mail address returns your mail !

> 
> 
> What I'd like translated into Afrikaans is:
> 
> "Only white paper allowed in this bin"
> 

"bin" has more than one meaning (A,B):

(A)  (What I think you mean !)
---
If "bin" is a paper tray, say for a laser printer:


	(i)	"Slegs wit papier in hierdie laai"

		directly translated from:
 		Only white paper in this bin

	(ii)	"Slegs wit papier toegelaat in hierdie laai"

		directly translated from:
 		Only white paper ALLOWED in this bin


	(iii)	"Slegs wit papier in hierdie laai asseblief"

		directly translated from:
 		Only white paper in this bin please


I would suggest option (iii) as the more commonly used
phrase.  The Afrikaans word for "allowed", i.e. "toegelaat"
is more used in terms of "admission to" and when people
are concerned.  The more polite way (iii) also puts a bit
more emphasis on the request.


(B)  (? Just for fun )
----------------------

If "bin" refers to a rubbish bin:

 "Slegs wit papier in die vullis drom"
                          -----------

But as your address reads COM.Sun that may not be what you
imply !


Regards


Frans Volschenk

(afv@uk.ac.cam.eng)
From: allenmk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Allen Melinda Kay)
Subject: International Circle
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:32:27 GMT

This note is directed toward Africans living in or near Boulder, Colorado.  If
you are interested in meeting other international students, or in developing
friendships with Americans, you may enjoy the "International Circle" which
meets every Friday evening in Boulder.  We start out with talking one-on-one,
just getting to know each other and giving those who need it an opportunity to
practice English.  Then we have dinner together, and finally we have a
presentation or Bible study of some sort--you do not have to stay for this last
part of the meeting if you do not wish to.  

This is a fun group, full of very welcoming people, and we would love to see
new faces.

If you would like more information, contact me at the e-mail address below.

Melinda K. Allen


-- 
Melinda K. Allen                  The LORD is close to the brokenhearted 
allenmk@ucsu.colorado.edu       and saves those who are crushed in spirit.   
allenmk@tramp.colorado.edu			               Psalm 34:18
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Ethiopia, world bank approves 150 m'
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:30:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cdp.9204061430.AA28289

/* Written  7:03 pm  Apr  5, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "ETHIOPIA: WORLD BANK APPROVES 150 M" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Third World Dvpmnt
Title: ETHIOPIA: WORLD BANK APPROVES 150 MILLION DOLLAR CREDIT


washington, apr 2 (ips) -- the world bank announced thursday that
it has approved a 150 million dollar credit to support a 657.4
million dollar emergency reconstruction project in ethiopia.

the credit from the bank's international development
association (ida) -- which provides no-interest loans to the
world's poorest countries -- is designed to assist the 10-month-
old government in rebuilding the country's war-battered
infrastructure and in providing needed medical supplies.

priority will be given to rebuilding schools, roads, airports,
power plans, telecommunications sytems and hospitals.

major efforts will also be directed at importing essential
drugs and medical supplies, fertiliser, and spare parts for
industry, farms and agribusinesses, and transportation.

ethiopia's transitional government took power in may, 1991,
after 15 years of war against president haile mengistu mariam.

the war, which did major damage to the country's economy -- one
of the poorest in the world, also diverted an estimated one
billion dollars each year into mengistu's military machine, the
bank said.

in addition the war, years of famine have battered a population
that now includes millions of refugees, demobilised soldiers, and
displaced people. the bank said about one million people have
moved to addis ababa, the capital, in the last year. the city was
already considered overcrowded with about three million people and
inadequate urban services.

cofinancing the project with the bank are the african
development bank (126 million dollars), the european economic
commission (116.4 million dollars, the european investment bank (7
million dollars), germany (15.6 million dollars), japan (5.5
million dollars), the netherlands (5.6 million dollars), sweden
(10.7 million dollars), and the u.n. development programme (one
million dollars).

the united states will also contribute 87 million dollars in
humanitarian aid. coincidentally, the u.s. congress thursday
approved a new foreign-aid law which should make it possible for
washington to contribute development assistance to ethiopia for
the first time in more than a decade.

the bank said it hopes to support structural reforms in
ethiopia as the emergency programme unfolds. it said such reforms
would be designed to liberalise the economy, encourage investment
and promote the private sector there. (end/ips/jl/lp/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: de Klerk in Nigeria
Keywords: sushi
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:07:35 -0500

Kommandant de Klerk is in Nigeria now.....
I hope he gets fed "sushi" and does exactly the same thing his good buddy
recently did in the Land of the Rising Sun......








Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman)
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:55:56 GMT

In article <204819@unix.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>
>Again I hate to quote Europeans when making a judgement about Africa, but given the fact that they hate all Africans equally I think they as fair as judges as 
>any one can be.

I know that most European subscribers are probably initially inflamed by
such statements as the one above (and assuming that Paul Mweene feels the
same about US citizens, Americans probably are, too).  After being initially
angered, myself, I began thinking about it, and it is really more saddening
than angering.  After all, such feelings of loathing do not simply exist--
something has to cause them.  Evidently Paul Mweene has never met a single
white person who has nothing but contempt for blacks.  This is even sadder
when you consider that he attends or teaches at an American university,
supposedly where people are better educated and more accepting of other
cultures.  Before flaming him for such blanket generalizations, perhaps it
would be better to try and understand what has caused such hatred of white
people.

Robert Huffman
rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu
From: "PVCS::ONEAL"@SIGMA.TAMU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: node address request
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:26:54 GMT

Will somebody help me with information on how to E-MAIL to either the
University of Zimbabwe (or any place in Zimbabwe) or to the University of
Cape Town. 

    I will be very grateful if you would help me. My E-MAIL address
    is:
              oneal@pvcs.pvamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: de Klerk in Nigeria
Keywords: sushi
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:22:46 -0500

In article <1992Apr10.200420.10308@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.080739.17321@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>> Kommandant de Klerk is in Nigeria now.....
>> I hope he gets fed "sushi" and does exactly the same thing his good buddy
>> recently did in the Land of the Rising Sun......
>> 
>With comments like that I can now understand why oom Tereblanche would
>feel nothing to eliminate comrade Mandela.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

......and get eliminated while he is at it....

It's always nice to appreciate symmetries in nature.


>
>Cheers,
>          Peter.
>
From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: RE: Feminists!
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:18:12 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Computing & Information Services


Recently there has been an outcry about my first posting on this subject from
people who felt that I am a proponent of keeping African women in servitude to
African men. While this   is far from the truth, I have observed that none of
the objections issued from African women, and I therefore take this as a vindi
cation of my views.

(A) An individual mentioned rather ignorantly that Africans should hence forth
take to discussing their social issues in public, and in the mass media as the
case is in America. I consider this statement arrogant and patronising because
any one who ahs taken time to consider the issues knows that these methods have
yielded nothing but failure and inevitably the distruction of family life, in
this country where divorces occur becase he didn't like her dog!
  -Most people do not realise that the institution of matrimony in Africa is 
   a contract between two families, where in the wedded undertake to conduct
   and treat each according to the norms stipulated by the society, monitored
   (but not interfered with) by and approved by both their families.
     The result is stable relationship in which there is more harmony than 
   you would find in the west. This is as expected because the counterparts 
  understand their accountability for what ever happens.

(b) Some one stated that that Off Our Backs is a very respected publication,
  and it's motives can there for never be suspect. I think this is an over
  generalization of a very subjective matter. It is very unlikely that I will
  take the advie of ANY American on marriage knowing their record and pjilosophy  on the issue. It follows therefrom that the rantings of tthes spinisters and
  divorces who produce this publication is of no value to me. Furthermore this
  subject is a fundamental part of a culture that even in africa itself or for
  that matter between different ethnic groups in Africa, the understanding is no  perfectly uniform. It is clear that any changes imposed from outside will
  likely do more harm than good.

......I have to go to class, but let me say that given our record and their r
  ecord we should be producing any magazines and them doing all the learning..


Makala
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: lmweene@athena.mit.edu (Haachitaba Mweene)
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:38:58 GMT

In article <ku1fh9INNrhd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> prasad@Sun.COM (Prasad Saggurti) writes:
>Hi! I am interested in African music. I know that there are
>many different styles which are grouped together under "african"
>or "world beat" music, but i'm looking for some recommendations
>as to new music/musicians which i may not have heard of so far.
>I like the old Juluka more than present day Johnny Clegg&Savuka.
>I also like the Fela Kuti's afro-jazz variety. Yossou N'dour,
>Les Tete Brules, Boyoyo Boys and Bhundu Boys, just to give you
>an idea on the kind of music i'm into. Any pointers/suggestions?
>
>We now return you to the regularly scheduled topics of discussion.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Prasad.
>
>-- 
>Prasad Saggurti 	Don't adjust your mind.	| Mere to sirf teen kaam hai
>prasad@eng.sun.com  	It is reality that is 	| Ek Mona, Ek Sona, aur
>(415) 336-4868 (O)	    malfunctioning.	| Ek Mona ke saath sona.


Zairian musicians are the most popular and accomplished in Africa.
They set the trends.  Shanachie records carry some of the more popular
African musicians like Tshala Muana and tabu Ley. Check them out!

Haachitaba
From: adavies@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Anthony Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south africans
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:45:10 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Institute of Virology, Oxford, UK

In article <1992Apr7.091951.24432@aisb.ed.ac.uk>, sheilar@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Sheila Rock) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.204949.5319@vax.oxford.ac.uk> dup@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <1992Apr4.891.3593@dosgate>, colin.perkel@canrem.com (colin perkel) writes:
>>It's not just your side of the Atlantic -- the UK/SA communications are also
>>very dicey. No-one seems sure what is wrong. What has come through to me
>>has been cries of despair, and mail isn't just bouncing, it's disappearing
>>into the electronic ether.

Try sending mail to Zimbabwe if you want some *real* heartache :-(

Just what is happening?...

________________________________________________________________________________

Anthony Davies                Voice: 865-512361
Institute of Virology         Fax:   865-59962
Mansfield Road                Vax:   adavies%uk.ac.oxford.vax
Oxford OX1 3SR
UK
________________________________________________________________________________
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:13:24 GMT

In <1992Apr17.122530.4941@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> john kauta
 <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

	Peter did not write this, I did:
>>>>	I'll take this one step further and claim that it wasn't white
>>>>people who were responsible for slavery, but a few individuals, their
>>>>color having nothing to do with the morality of their actions.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>If "color had nothing to do with the morality of their actions", why didn't
>these "few individuals" trade in Caucasian slaves AT THAT TIME?????

	Because Caucasians tended to have superior firepower and lived in
areas where people tended to not like the idea of being a slave.  However,
don't forget that similar things were still going on; have you ever heard
of being "Shanghai'd?"  How about indentured servants?  Companies in the
early USA set up "company towns" that essentially rendered the workers
as slaves to the company.

	People oppress their own as well as others; the manner they do
it in and what they called it varies as the morals of the society they
belong to varied.  To blame a race for the morality of a particular
society is ludicrous -- to the best of my knowledge the Germans, Danes,
Russians, and other caucasians did not participate in the slave trade.
Their non-participation shows that this wasn't a racial problem, it
was a societal problem.

<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 19:37:08 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
 <1992Apr8.142305.27944@mercury.cair.du.edu>
 <1992Apr10.164215.26309@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>

In article <1992Apr10.164215.26309@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
jka3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (James Amenuvor) says:
>
> I will have to agree with Paul on one point.  In Africa, at least as much of
>itas I know, matrimony becomes a defacto contract between two families.  In   e
>som
>places the couple to be married have to take second place to the welfare and
>amicability of both families.  If the families refuse to see eye to eye then  e
>th
>chance that the couple will get married is next to zero.  To support this I
>have never heard of a couple eloping in Africa.

I personally don't know of any cases of elopement either, but there is a very p
opular fiction written in Amharic (Fekere Eske Makaber Love until Death roughly
) which tells of this girl from an upper class who eloped with her tutor (lower
class) during feudal Ethiopia.  It is certainly fiction and ends in tragedy but
it suggests that there just might be few cases (maybe not so romantic but...)

Sofia
From: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: south africans
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:24:28 EST
Reply-To: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

In: <1992Apr9.151251.24328@psg.com> "Chris Pinkham" obligingly writes:

-> The link from SA to the US is a 9600 baud line with a pc on either
-> end running public domain routing software. These pc's are not
-> coping, for various reasons not entirely understood ...

   Thanx for the explanation. E-Mail seems reliable though. Is it routed
the same way?


Internet: colin.perkel@canrem.com

Col
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: ajit@cbnews.cb.att.com (ajit.rudran)
Subject: Travel agents dealing with travel to Kenya
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:28:17 GMT
Keywords: Travel agents, Kenya

I am posting this for a friend of mine. Please e-mail your replies to
sgu@cbemf.att.com. However, if you find it more convenient to reply to this
posting, please do so and I will forward it to my friend.

My friend is looking for information on reliable air travel agents that sell
tickets for travel from USA to Nairobi (Kenya).
Please send name, phone number, and address of the agent, if possible. Please
also indicate if you personally dealt with them and your comments on the
reliability of the agent. Any info on recent ticket prices (to Nairobi)
would be very valuable too. Your prompt response will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ajit Rudran
ajit@cbnea.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Martians on the attack!
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:46:34 -0500

In article <199204082056.AA22022@kepler.unh.edu> llk406@KEPLER.UNH.EDU (Llolsten L Kaonga) writes:
><stuff killed>
>
>Hey, John, don't use bad language like that! It is detrimental to your
>health and mine! The brother was just trying to be humorous!
>
>Just say uh huh!
>
>Llolsten Kaonga (with the man in the yellow hat)
>e-mail: llk406@kepler.unh.edu
>        l_kaonga@unhh.unh.edu
>
>
>=============================++++++=======================================
>    
>                     This space for rent to the losing parties
>                     in the British elections.
>
>==============================++++++=====================================

Point well taken! My apologies. Never gotten used to abstract poetry though!
(or is it prose!). BTW, I discussed this issue with the gentleman and now
I understand exactly what he meant. I promise to try to understand him more
next time.
From: rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Summary: why not Native Americans??
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:26:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.1591
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

>>            Demand for slaves does not result in fulfillment unless other
>>blacks are willing to sell their conquered neighbors.  Solidarity among
>>the blacks could have defeated virtually any slavers you could dream of.
>
>Daniel I think I have to disagree with you here. I certainly don't
>subscribe to this myth about solidarity defeating "virtually any
>slavers...". The way I see it; it was the technological advantage as it
>is today that determined/determines the victor.

	Perhaps someone out there who is better versed in the history of
	American slavery could answer a question for me.  One that has been
	puzzling me for a long time.  Why would the early European settlers
	of America go all the way to Africa to get slaves when they could just
	use the abundant supply of Native Americans who were already on the
	continent?  Popular culture in the U.S. (cowboy movies and such) would
	suggest that it's because the Indians fought back and the Africans
	didn't.  Indians are often depicted as being willing to fight fiercely
	and die in order to maintain their aboriginal lifestyle, while one
	never hears of such behavior in the Africans who were enslaved.  Is
	there anybody out there more knowledgable in this area than cowboy
	movies?  Was it because Africans were "better" slaves?  Were
	Indians respected more by the European settlers or thought to be more
	"white"?  Perhaps Indians were just more likely to run away, because
	they had better skills for surviving in the American wilderness.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Russell Spence							 Austin, Texas

What if we built this huge wooden badger?
From: hb268er@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Immo Wittig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Ethiopian universities
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:51:37 GMT
Organization: Rechenzentrum Uni-Duisburg

In <1992Apr10.152141.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl233617@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>Does anyone know of the e-mail address of any Ethiopian university? 
>Thank you for your help.
>Fikre
i m sorry not
but i am also interested
and to bitnet to eritrea
does anyone know e-mail adress of ethiopian university or one in eritrea???
immo
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Tunisia, PLO delegation leaves for
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:31:07 GMT

/* Written  1:18 pm  Apr 11, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "TUNISIA: PLO DELEGATION LEAVES FOR " ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Area: Commodities
Reference: Africa, north
Title: TUNISIA: PLO DELEGATION LEAVES FOR LIBYA


tunis, apr 8 (ips) -- two aircraft left here wednesday morning
for libya with an ''important'' palestinian delegation, bassam
abou-charif, according to the special advisor of palestinian
leader, yasser arafat.

the delegation consists of several members of executive
committee of the palestine liberation organisation (plo) and the
central committee of the fatah movement, the main component of
the plo.

tunis is the headquarters of the plo.

abou-charif confirmed that arafat and his delegation are safe
after their ''antonov 26'' made an emergency landing at el sarah
village, near the chad-libya border, tuesday night.

thirteen persons, including three crew members, were
travelling together with the plo leader when the aircraft went
missing tuesday night in the libyan part of sahara. the plane
was located early wednesday, said abou-charif.

he said the plo had officially contacted the united states,
britain, egypt, france and italy asking for help to search for
the aircraft.

replies were positive and u.s. ''president bush himself had
given orders (to the relevant organs) to take part in the
search'', abou-charif added. (end/ips/ab/apc/ar/92)

att editors: please relate this item to ''middle east: arafat
crash-lands safely in desert'' moved from tunis,
wednesday at 09:05 gmt