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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:22:29 -0400 
From: King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: YANKEES (was: Re: blue jays vs. red sox)
Distribution: rec

On 13-Apr-92 in blue jays vs. red sox        
user "stephen dawson"@canrem. writes:
>Nelson Lu writes
> 
>NL>Boy, 1 win, and you obnoxious Blue Jays fan sounds if you have the division
>NL>knocked down.  I remember the A's fans from last year.  Guess what
happened.
>..
> 
>Can we start to gloat after 6 wins?
> 

No, they lost to the Yanks, we can start to gloat!!!!

But then again, this is probably the high point of the year for us.  
Maybe, maybe, maybe, just maybe...there's a miracle on 161st street this year!


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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Orioles 4 20 game winners
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:49:43 GMT
Reply-To: acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

I believe that # 4 was Steve Stone.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: henning@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Henning Pape-Santos)
Subject: For METS FANS only: re Bonilla
Organization: The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:48:41 GMT

In the game that ended with a 15-7 loss, the Mets staged a late 
rally for four runs in the 9th during which Bonilla had to be 
dragged out of the clubhouse. He appeared after some delay with 
his shirt still unbuttoned.
 
Today, in the 3-2 loss to the Phillies, he hit what he thought 
would be the game-tieing HR in the 9th. He then hot-dogged around 
instead of running all out, which might have gotten him to third 
instead of to second (not that it mattered, however).
 
My question is: Do you think this kind of attitude is in order for 
a man being paid what Bonilla is being paid? (Or for anyone, for 
that matter.) 
 
IMO the first incidence above is inexcusable. If I were the 
manager he would have been fined or at least dressed down 
severely. 
The second incident shows me that Bonilla lacks maturity. After 
all, even if he had hit a HR in the situation, what was all the 
celebrating about? It would have merely tied the game and given 
the Mets a _chance_ to go to 3 and 5 instead of 2 and 6. Is this 
"important" enough for a $5 million man to throw his bat, jump 
around and hot dog it? He should have taken a homer in that spot 
matter of factly, I think.
 
Any opinions?
 
And please: All non-Met fans are actively discouraged from 
replying. Thank you.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Phillies HRs(was Re: Harry & Ron)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:15:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.191056.16369@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.190036.29258@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  
>(Randy Peppler) writes:
>
>> 	I really felt sorry for him - he served up 3 gopher balls in that
>> 	third of an inning.  Apparently, Philly hadn't hit 3 in an inning
>> 	since 1949!  He was just grooving BP speed fastballs...
>
>Actually, what the announcers said was that the Phillies record
>for HRs in an inning is five, which was done in 1949.
>They didn't say anything about the last time that the Phillies 
>hit three in an inning.

	I got the impression that they were one in the same.  I didn't
	really state it correctly above.  Maybe some Phanatic knows
	"the real story"...

-- 
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| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
From: dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: the Expos crush the Mets...
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:29:52 GMT

Y'know, after all that annoying gloating by obnoxious Mets fans, it
would have been quite approriate to rub their collective noses in 
it following the thrashing their team received at the hands of the 
expos.  It would have been easy, too... reeeaaalll easy.  But, I 
decided against it because I suspect that at this very moment they 
are experiencing a profound misery over their team's inept defense 
(can anyone on that team throw to first from the hole in short?), 
anemic hitting (most of the lineup is so weak, that Bonilla and 
HoJo are merely speedbumps to opposing pitchers), and ineffective 
pitching (was that 21-4 over three games?).  Don't make me laugh, kids...

A not-so-bold prediction: barring major changes to the team's make-up,
another 5th place finish for the Mets.

dk
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:12:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <12223@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay) writes:
>glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>
>> 6) Fingers has a 2.90 ERA compared to the 3.47 ERA of Eckersley.
>
>How about comparing Eckersley's RELIEF era to Fingers'?  Show us
>some RELEVANT numbers.

Eckersley's ERA with the A's, from 1987 through 1991, is 2.31 in almost 400
innings of work.  Fingers had exactly one season with the A's (1973, 126 IP)
with a lower ERA than Eckersley's average.

In terms of (H+W)/9IP, Eckersley's worst season with the A's (1987) is equal
to Fingers's best season with the A's (1971).  Fingers's best was 9.2; the
Eck was under 6.0 two years running in '89 and '90.

-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: My Rotisserie League
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:39:21 GMT

Does anyone care about the Kalven League at the University of Chicago
Law School?  Of course not!  But you're going to hear about it anyway,
unless you hit "n" now.

There were two leagues of eleven teams each; I was upset because in the
other league, Frank "God" Thomas didn't go until the fifth pick, and I had
the third pick.  Oh well.

The first round went:
Thomas, Ripken (Cal), Boggs, Larkin, Griffey Jr., Sandberg, Sabo, Bonds,
Will Clark, Clemens, and Palmeiro.

Drafting was serpentine, so I had the third and the twentieth picks, etc.
I went:
2. Plantier, of
3. Fielder, 1b
4. Glavine, p
5. Greenwell, of
6. Juan Guzman, p
7. Raines, of
8. Jody Reed, 2b
9. Blauser, ss
10. Harper, c
11. Ward, p
12. Newson, of
13. Leibrandt, p
14. Moore, p
15. Tomlin, p
16. Sorrento, 1b
17. Welch, p
18. Slaught, c
19. Cooper, if
20. Anthony Young, p

A lot of players went one or two rounds before I guessed they would:
Belle went in the 4th, Candiotti the 6th, Tapani the 9th, Swift the 13th,
McGwire, Viola and Darling the 14th.  I probably should have taken
Justice in the 2nd, and Plantier in the 3rd, but then I wouldn't have
Fielder :)

Barberie went in the 7th, Villaneuva went in the 8th, Nabholz in the 13th,
Derek Bell in the 16th, Thome and Pedro Munoz in the 17th.  Pedro Martinez
went before his brother did (who probably won't be picked at all, unless
he wins some games before the supplemental draft in mid-May) in the 15th.
Sanders and Karros in the 19th, and Mo Vaughn and Keith Mitchell in the 20th.

My offense is weaker than it looks, because I have another 300 outs to spend
at DH that are currently getting used by the lesser offensive players on the
team.  So it goes.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Errors (was Re: Robinson and Boyer)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:00:32 GMT

In <1992Apr13.154747.11478@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

>In article <1992Apr11.233104.7386@m.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>>Here's a legitimate use of errors:
>>
>>Calculating ERAs.

>Why?  Do you think errors are randomly distributed behind pitchers?  I
>don't.  

No, I don't think errors are randomly distributed behind pitchers.  I don't
even think ERA is better than RA.  But it would be extremely difficult
to calculate ERA without Errors.

>>Here is a (fictitious) situation in which error totals actually tell 
>>you something about the fielders:
>>
>>		Inn	Chnces	Errors
>>Murphy, RF	700	700	  2
>>Lucy,   RF	700	700	100
>>
>>Assuming ballpark effects, L/R effects, and equivalent leagues :->, we
>>can tell that we have two outfielders with equivalent range, but one
>>is a lot better than the other.

>How do you figure equivalent range?  What's your definition of chances?  If
>it's the usual PO+A, then all you've told me here is that Lucy got charged
>with an error on 98 balls that Murphy let go for a hit.  Why is this worse?

Chances are putouts, assists, and errors.  Murphy made 98 more outs than
Lucy.  (That's being quite generous to Lucy -- she really doesn't convert
6/7 of her chances.)  Since they are both outfielders chances are that
putouts >> assists.  Essentially, both of them got to 1 ball per inning.
(That's a FANTASTIC range for right fielders :->).  Murphy converted
99.5% of his into outs, but Lucy only converted 83%.  Of course you could
discern that Murphy was a better fielder by looking at PO/9 innings or
just about any other defensive statistic.  What you *CAN* tell from this
table that you couldn't from PO/9 is that Lucy is getting to plenty
of balls -- she just isn't catching them when she gets there.  (Of course,
the officially scorer could be maliciously awarding an error when Lucy
*doesn't* get near the ball.  She's busy yelling at the pitcher while the
fly lands ten feet behind her.  :->  :->)

>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com


-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Gigabit Study Group 

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane)
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team  :)
Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.083901.2325@ducvax.auburn.edu> kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>POS Player Name                    Reason
>--- ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------
>OF  Kevin Mitchell                 Rape allegations, taking IF practice wearing
>                                   a walkman 
>OF  Darryl Strawberry              jerk
>OF  jose Canseco                   leaving socks at Madonna's, speeding (55 mh
>                                   OVER the limit)
>OF  Otis Nixon                     Coke (no WONDER he runs so fast...he's
>                                   WIRED!)
>OF  Lenny Dykstra                  Drinking beer and wrecking car and season

How can you have a team like this and not include Albert Belle?  

>1B  Franklin Stubbs                Charging mound with bat (I think it was him)
>2B  Steve Sax                      mouth in general esp. while in LA

3B  Wade Boggs    That Margo Adams thing

>P   Roger Clemens                  Brawling w/o a license
>P   David Cone                     Wanking
>P   Oil Can Boyd                   Forcing the wife to imitate a punching bag
>P   Pascual Perez                  Running away to NY after a bad start
>P   Rob Dibble                     Throwing at a baserunner; jerk
>P   Steve Howe                     Coke, coke, coke, coke, coke, and coke
P   Dwight Gooden                  Drugs back in '86, rape charges

--
David Frohardt-Lane       dfl@math.wayne.edu
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Go Pistons, Red Wings, Lions, Tigers, U-M Football and U-M Basketball!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: rodean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruce Rodean)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:37:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Mack Beaning
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Ft. Collins, CO.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In article <44605@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale) writes:
> I saw the hit several times, and from the reaction of the pitcher
> and the commentary I heard that was in no way an intentional hit.

I'd agree.  It could have been a CYA move, but I don't think so.

Bruce Rodean
rodean@fc.hp.com
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Subjective trivia question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 06:00:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.053758.6816@athena.mit.edu> jschultz@athena.mit.edu (Joseph M Schultz) writes:
>Best player never to lead the league in any major offensive category?
>
>How about Alan Trammell?
>
>(A displaced Tigers fan)

What about Roger Clemens? :-) :-) :-)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Charter Member of the Acker-o-phobics Anonymous
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan)
Subject: SkyDome (Was: Hey, I'm a NICE Jays fan!)
Keywords: Weenies
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:44:26 GMT

In article <carl.703256190@warper.jhuapl.edu> carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy) writes:
>Could a Toronto fan enlighten me here? Whenever I listen to a baseball game
>out of Toronto, the announcers always talk about how quiet it is in Skydome.
>Is that because of the huge size of skydome, or is it really because the
>fans are quiet, and if so, why?

Yep, the SkyDome is usually a quiet place.  The fans are usually quite
laid back (like I am -- I usually bring my own score sheet to score the
game, but I think I'm the only person among the 50000 to be so silly to
do that).  Whether or not the SkyDome's design has anything to do with
the noise factor, I'm not so sure.

Not only that, considering that there are 26,000 season ticket holders in a
stadium that holds less than 51,000, you're not going to expect them to 
lose their voices at every home game, right?

One thing that really peeves me is at an important point of the game some
people try to start a wave going.  Not only does it distracts the fans, it
also bothers the players.  I was at the Jays/Yankees game this Tuesday and
I didn't mind when the Jays were up 12-3 at the bottom of the seventh.
(Of course, the Yankees gave the Jays a scare with Pat Hentgen pitching
by sending his ERA through the roof by giving up 3 runs in the 9th to
allow the Jays to win 12-6 -- although the Jays won, the Yankees scored
a moral victory when the Jays had to send Duane Ward to the bullpen to
warm up in case.)


-- 
Joel Chan, University of Toronto                        joel@math.toronto.edu
Mathematical Association of America Student Chapter
From: kwinkler@pbs.org (The Axe Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Robinson and Boyer
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:15:27 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Apr7.152416.13456@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
> In article <1992Apr06.211101.4456@cpqhou.compaq.com> carlr@cpqhou.UUCP (Carl Rempert) writes:
>>I would tell you that I haven't reached any conclusion because you haven't
>>given me enough data to go on.  However, this doesn't mean that errors are
>>meaningless in reaching any conclusion.   Give me more numbers and I will use
>>errors, along with the other stats you have given me, to reach my conclusion.
>>Like how many innings did both players play at the position and how many
>>percieved chances did each have.  By perceived I mean balls hit to them that
>>would be reached by an average 2b.
> 
> So, say we have two second basemen, who played exactly the same number of
> innings at second, faced exactly the same number of balls hit to them that
> would be reached by an average 2b, converted exactly the same number of
> them into outs, but one made 40 errors and the other 20.  Now, who's the
> better fielder, and why?

You can't say that one's better.  You can say that they're different.
One has better range, because he got to 20 more balls.  But he also 
made alot of errors on balls he did get to, and it's likely that most
of them are routine plays that would be made by the average second
baseman.  I don't think this difference is trivial, and its dependent
in part on error totals.

There.  You've seen some significance for the statistic.  Or haven't
you?

						----Ken Winkler
						    (kwinkler@pbs.org)

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From: nama3200@Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Yankees schedule of day games
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:50:03 GMT
Reply-To: nama3200@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY


  Does anyone out there have a schedule of NY Yankees' day games.  I have
a friend who would like to know.  The only schedules I have are the
ones out of the newspapers, that just gives days and opponents, no times.

Thanks in advance...


Bill Wood    SUNY Oswego
From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oriole Park at Camden Yards
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:38:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.193802.17877
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Apr5.205957.27723@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) writes:
>
>(At the Metrodome they serve the usual non-regional American Lagers. No
>Schells, Summit, or Leinenkugels in sight.) 

At least they're serving Landmark beer, which is the new local brew.

The house is being remodelled, I'm behind on my schoolwork, the savings
account is depleted, I have all my free time scheduled, and the Twins are
up 2-0 in the fourth.  I'm happy.

David Thornley
"You know, the interference from the computers is tolerable, as long as
you can get the play-by-play signal"
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Texas Rangers Info Wanted.
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:35:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>Can anyone tell me how the Rangers did yesterday against Seattle?
>Thanks.
>
>dmeier@darwin.cc.nd.edu
>
>From what I saw of the score in the first game, it looks like the Rangers
>still have offense, and still lack pitching.

They've gotten the pitching two nights in a row now.  Kevin Brown threw a 
shuutout and Palmer and Gonzales hit massive HR's to beat the M's 4-0 on 
Tuesday.  Last night it was 13-1.  Jose Guzman pitched 6 innings giving up 
a first inning ruun and three hits.  Palmer hit another dinger and John
Cangelosi hit his first HR since 1987.  The Rangers scored six times in the
second inning to send the crowd home early.

GT
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Regarding Henry
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:36:41 GMT

In article <2752@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> hjeat@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Jerry Eaton) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.224352.19855@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Tyler Brown) writes:
>>Last time I checked, Dwayne Henry was in the Cincinnati Reds bullpen. Maybe
>>they have a place for him after all...
>>
>Dwayne Henry is indeed in the Cincinnati bullpen. Butch Henry, no relation,
>is in the starting rotation in Houston.

Since Dwayne Henry pitched quite well for the Astros in 1991 (before they
released him over the winter), I can understand why someone might think
he was still on the team.  Where the heck did Butch Henry come from?  I'd
never heard of him.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Will Clark as a Triple Crowner?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:18:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

From news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!bionet!agate!spool.mu.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dtate Wed Apr 15 10:04:09 PDT 1992

>In article <1992Apr14.222718.24632@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>
>  [I wrote:]
>
>>>Griffey is the only active player with a reasonable chance to be the best of
>>>all time at his position.  
>
>  [prompting the following:]
>
>>Not until he gets his head out of his ass and decides to give the game more 
>>respect than he does now.  
>
>What the hell is this supposed to mean?

1.  The guy doesn't seem to hustle unless he has a chance to make an 
outstanding chance.  He will not run hard on ground balls.  I've seen a ball
go over his head and him just jog after it.  Last week, I saw him hit a shot 
that Rafael Palmiero had to dive to his right to stop, then throw to the     
pitcher covering first.  Tough play I thought.  Griffey was out by about eight
steps because he was just loping down the line.

2.  I read this neat little story last year :  Griffey and whomever batted   
behind him were on the on-deck circle as Frank Tanana was warming up.  The
other guy told Griffey to get a good look at this guy as he warmed up.
Griffey responded, "Is he a rookie?"  


I agree that Griffey may be the best talent in baseball since Willie Mays,
but he'll never be as good unless he quits acting like "The Kid", and 
starts playing like the game is important to him.

GT
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Re: For Jays fans only!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:49:31 GMT


[ toronto bashing for losing to the Yankees ] 

> The McJays have seen their last of first place for this season.  From
> now on they travel to the cellar in the company of the Tigers.
> 
> -Valentine
> -- 
> "Red Sox all the way in '92!"	tedward@cs.cornell.edu

	 Yeah, and the Red Sox looked sooo good against the Yankees.  They
  couldn't beat the bronx bombers with Clemens or Viola.  So much for there
  awesome one-two combination.	Red Sox in 92, gimme a break, maybe 2092.

						G.Greene
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