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From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Subject: Re: Broadcasting, UDP info
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:46:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

All the reasons for handling lost, mutilated, folded, or duplicated
packets do apply. There is a little more however ;-)

You might wish to examine the output of the "lanconfig" command. It
will tell you what sort of encapsulation methods are enable for the
specified interface. HP 9000 systems can be configured to use two
separate encapsulations - the first is good ole Ethernet
encapsulation. The other is called "IEEE" and is the method used for
TCP/IP communications before the SNAP RFC.

Let's assume that both encapsulations are enabled. When a broadcast
packet "comes down the stack" there is no way to know if you are
trying to broadcast to an Ethernet or an "IEEE" host. So, the driver
will send the packet using both encapsulations.

If you go and disable one of the encapsulations, you should see a
reduction in the number of duplicates you see.

rick jones
these opinions, such as they are, are mine, all mine !-)
Hewlett-Packard probably wouldn't want them anyway ;-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mac@mercury.Harris-ATD.com (Mike McDonald)
Subject: What's a 7x5??
Organization: Advanced Technology Dept, Harris Corp, Melbourne, FL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:54:25 GMT


  So what are these things? I've never heard of these designations before.

  Mike McDonald				Advanced Technology Dept.	
					Harris Corp.
  Email: mac@trantor.harris-atd.com	M.S. 16-1912
  Voice: (407) 727-5060			P.O. Box 37
  Fax:   (407) 729-3363			Melbourne, Florida 32902

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: Re: HPUX & SVID
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:49:33 GMT

In article <4310312@hpindda.cup.hp.com> alech@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Alec Henderson) writes:

>HP has just released a separate STREAMS/UX product.  It requires HP-UX 9.x.
>It includes the basic STREAMS framework, a generic TLI interface, and
>DLPI to HP's Ethernet/802.3 and Token Ring/802.5 network interface
>cards.
>
>The STREAMS/UX product does NOT provide a STREAMS-based implementation
>of pipes and fifos, TCP/IP, or terminal I/O.

This is a step in the right direction.  

A comment:
  Longer term, I'd like to be able to use the STREAMS interface and
modules I'm used to with pipes and fifos and terminal i/o also.  I
don't particularly care how you build your kernel internals as long as
I can use STREAMS on HPUX the same way I can use it on my more modern
versions of System V (i.e. I want source code compatibility) .
 
A question: 
  What does it mean to say that HP provides "a generic TLI interface"
but does "NOT provide a STREAMS-based implementation of TCP/IP" ??

Does this mean that I get TLI without any protocols underneath the
interface ?  

Or does this mean that internally underneath you guys are translating
STREAMS+TLI into sockets calls in a way that I don't need to care
about ??

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rdm@hpsalo.cern.ch (Fons Rademakers)
Subject: bug in rename(2)...
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:37:14 GMT


I found that rename(file1, file2) was overwriting some of my global vars
when file1 did not exist. A simple test on the existence of file1 solved the
problem. However, rename should never overwrite anything. I noticed that
my global vars contained after the rename function the string:
`file1' not existent (ut4) using xunlink.

Hopefully this has been fixed in 9.0. Or does this bug report causes 9.0
to be delayed for another week -:).

Regards, Fons Rademakers.

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From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HPUX 9.0 SIGWINCH on 800 series? -- was Re: hpterm resizable
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:13:47
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.116
In-reply-to: wk@cup.hp.com's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:07:06 GMT

wk@cup.hp.com (Wayne Krone) writes:

> Daniel Simmons (simmdan@ux1.isu.edu) wrote:
> : It is certainly true that SIGWINCH support is available on 700s with 8.07.
> : The question I have is: will HPUX 9.0 give SIGWINCH support to the 800 series.

> Extract from the s800 9.0 release notes:

> * SIGWINCH and the associated "ioctl" calls (TIOCSWINSZ and
>   TIOCGWINSZ) are now supported on all HP-UX platforms.  Applications
>   supporting the SIGWINCH signal are now notified when their
>   window is resized.

Yes, but will applications (such as vi) at 9.0 defer to the window
size as known by the device (accessed via ioctl) over the size as
specified in LINES and COLUMNS when the two disagree?  Try this on a
series 700 running 8.07 (in a window where LINES and COLUMNS are set
correctly and which has more than 5 lines):

	$ LINES=5 vi somefile

I'm far more likely to mess up the value of an environment variable
than I am to make a TIOCSWINSZ ioctl() call with incorrect size
values.  I'm also far more likely to run a non-HP-supplied shell that
doesn't reset LINES and COLUMNS every time a SIGWINCH is caught.

If the same data (window size) is accessible via two different
mechanisms (environment variables and device ioctl()s), then
applications should use the mechanism that is least under the
influence of the user (ioctl()s).  This is just standard defensive
programming.

Can anyone give an example of when an application should prefer the
size information in environment variables to the size information
intrinsic in the pseduo-terminal?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Subject: Re: New HP Workstations (audio)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:43:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

jsm@fc.hp.com wrote:
: Stuart Jarriel (stuart@TIVOLI.COM) wrote:
: : In article <2247@sdrc.COM>, gegabb@sdrc.sdrc.com (Rob Gabbard) writes:
: : |> 
: 
: No, CD/DAT quality audio is optional on the 755. It is not on the CPU
: board. CD/DAT quality audio for the 755 is on an optional SGC card. This
: card also accepts an optional daughterboard for FDDI. So if you get FDDI,
: you also get audio, i.e. it is not possible to get FDDI without getting
: audio for the 755).
: 

To be painfully precise ;-) this should read "It is not possible to
get `Integrated FDDI' without getting audio for the 755." One _can_
always buy the *EISA* FDDI card without buying audio. Having said
that, someone wanting FDDI for the 735 or the 755 will probably be
better off purchasing the "Integrated FDDI." as their first FDDI
connect...it will be considerably faster.

rick jones
These opinions, such as they are, are mine, all mine. HP probably
wouldn't want them anyway... ;-)
From: menjan@cs.umb.edu (Men-Jan Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: RAM size
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:15:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.MENJAN.92Nov17221539
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


How can I know the RAM size of my HP workstation ?
(not reboot)
Thanks.
-Jane
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: Desperately need HELP with softdebug!!!
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:18:53 GMT


Hi there,

I am having many problems with softdebug (GUI 
for xdb) on an HP 9000/710.  For some reason,
if I have a structure pointer, I cannot
do this:

p *foo_struct

It always says it is a NULL_SYMBOL.  Is there 
some compiler option I need to put in?  
Currently, I am compiling with "-g -Aa -D_HPUX_SOURCE".

Alternatively, has GDB been ported to the HP?  It
looks like they have started, but I tried to 
get GDB 4.6 running and the configuration script
bombed out.  

Is there a version of GDB available?

Thanks a lot!

-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
From: bobm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Montgomery)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:05:49 GMT
Subject: Re: cc -N bug?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen) writes:

> When I compile the appended little program (it's byteorder.c from
> recent tripwire distribution) in our HP9000/720 running HP-UX 8.07
> with the command "cc -N -Wl,-a,archive" it compiles without complaints

From the 8.07 cc(1) man page:

      -N             Cause the output file from the linker to be marked as
                     unshareable.  For details and system defaults, see
                     ld(1).

From the 8.07 ld(1) man page in the Series 700/800 Dependencies section:

           Nonsharable, executable files generated with the -N option cannot
           be executed via exec(2).  Typically, -N is used when rebuilding
           the kernel or when preparing an image for dynamic loading.

At 9.0, the behavior with -N will be different (see your release notes
when appropriate), but I notice (in my possibly still pre-release
version) that the ld(1) man page still has the "cannot be executed via
exec" remark.  Sigh.

Bob Montgomery, HP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: greene@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Courtney Greene)
Subject: CSO Nameserver and HPUX
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:57:49 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

Hello,

I've been trying to install the CSO NameServer software on HPUX for some time
now and I haven't had any success. Can anyone offer any suggestions, we've got
a 750 running HPUX 8.07. All suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Courtney Greene
greene@tuns.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: georges@zeus.franklin.edu (Steven Lon George)
Subject: MPE, NS, TCP/IP HP UNIX
Organization: Franklin University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:24:52 GMT


Hello there.  What I am wondering relates to the HP UNIX environment.

I am applying for a job under this environment, in a networking
application. The job has some criteria that I am not sure what it means.
I am hoping I can find someone who does. Anyway, the line reads as
follows.?

Must have knowledge of MPE, NS, TCP/IP & Network Components and
Architecture.

What is MPE (Multiplatorm Environment?), and NS.  Has anyone ever heard
these acronyms before.  The interview is on Thursday, so you can answer
by mail at 'georges@zeus.franklin.edu'.  Please notice the plural 
georges with an s.  otherwise, someone else will get the message.

Thanks in advance.

Steve.... 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tt@tarzan.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: cc -N bug?
Originator: tt@tarzan.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:38:40 GMT

In article <Bxvsst.97n@fc.sde.hp.com> mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella) writes:

[I wrote:]
>: When I compile the appended little program (it's byteorder.c from
>: recent tripwire distribution) in our HP9000/720 running HP-UX 8.07
>: with the command "cc -N -Wl,-a,archive" it compiles without complaints
>: (except one "warning 951: Shift of 32 bits or more.") and produces a
>: normal-looking executable ('file' confirms it's "PA-RISC1.1 executable
>: -not stripped"), but when I try to execute it, I get "cannot execute"

>From the "ld" man page, iin the 700/800 dependencies section:

>	 Nonsharable, executable files generated with the -N option cannot be
>	 executed via exec(2).  Typically, -N is used when rebuilding the
>	 kernel or when preparing an image for dynamic loading. For these
>	 files, the data segment begins on the next page following the text
>	 segment.

So I hadn't RTFM far enough.  Sorry for wasting bandwidth.

>Any particular reason you want to use this option?

No, except that it was so given under HP-UX in the "Ported" note that
accompanied the tripwire 1.0 release.  Given all the dumb things I did
yesterday it may be I've misread that, too, though. :-(

Anyway, my thanks and apologies to everybody who replied.
--
Tapani Tarvainen  (tt@math.jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: termcap for hpterm
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:39:33 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

In article <28510357@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com> franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com
(Frank Slootweg CRC) writes:

:> Has anyone created a working termcap entry for hpterm?
:
:  I have not done/tested this and it is not supported (HP-UX is a SVID
:compliant system, which does not need termcap), but for historical

I take it then that HP expects we'll only be talking to SVID systems.
Lovely.

						...Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Subject: Re: SUN <-> HP and sockets
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:56:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

One simple possibility is that the size of the message being sent from
the Sun box is larger than the size of the receiving socket on the HP
box. You can use getsockopt to retrieve the sizes and setsockopt to
set them. I believe that the default for UDP is somewhere around +-9K.

rick jones
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP debug information format
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:03:08
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.116
In-reply-to: stuart@TIVOLI.COM's message of 19 Nov 92 18:03:19 GMT

stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel) writes:

  After working on multiple platforms for a while I am starting to 
  question the format that HP compilers store their debug format in.
  I dont doubt that the format is well suited for the task, but rather 
  that it is kept private.
  ...
  it would be oh-so-nice if another debugger could
  read and debug the object files.
  ...
  What (if anything) can be done to get the 
  debug format information released?

I've heard that HP changed its position and will allow gdb (and thus
everyone) to know the HP debug symbol format.  I don't know when a
version of gdb that works with HP's compilers will be available.
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617-498-3255           || 10 Fawcett St, Cambridge, MA, USA 02138-1110
"So what we've decided to do is set you up in Cicely, situated
 in an area that we Alaskans refer to as The Alaskan Riviera."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: graphics@ianos.iesl.forth.gr (Graphics Sup. Team)
Subject: HAS ANYONE INSTALLED GROFF ???
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Crete HELLAS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:57:30 GMT

	I got groff-1.06 from iworks and most of it's parts were compiled
succesfully (gcc2.2.2) expect from troff and pic...
troff  pass compilation succesfully but when is linked I got :
gcc -O -g  -o troff env.o node.o input.o div.o symbol.o dictionary.o reg.o       number.o majorminor.o ../libgroff/libgroff.a   -lm
ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
   NULL_SYMBOL (code)
collect: /bin/ld returned 1 exit status
*** Error code 1

Stop.
	

Pic has a problem with common.cc ..I got some assembler errors compiling it


I would appreciate any help ...

Email :graphics@iesl.forth.gr
			Thanks in advance, 
				Kosmas Papachristos

					Computing Center , University of Crete
From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:37:43 GMT
Subject: Re: hp 260?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> I have recently cone into possesion of an "hp-260" workstation.

Sounds like the successor to the HP250, which was my introduction to HP
15 years ago.

> So...  what do I have here?

I don't know the full story because years have gone by, but probably you
have a system that's rich with BASIC extensions and features for
supporting small business applications.  Probably includes data entry
forms, database, and a report writer.  No manuals came with it?

Good luck, I hope you get more/reliable help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rischmid                        
Subject: Re: ~/.Xdefaults ignored by X11R4 and X11R5 under HPUX 08.07 ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:16:00 GMT

In article <HARLAN.92Nov10104715@haduk.cms-stl.com>, harlan@cms-stl.com (Harlan Stenn (PFCS Corporation)) writes...
>On our 9000/7xx machines running HPUX 08.07 using the stock X11R4 as
>well as the X11R5 stuff (from iworks) we have noticed that the
>~/.Xdefaults file seems to be ignored.
> 
>Has anybody else noticed this?
> 
>Is a fix available?
> 
>Thanks...
> 
>Harlan

Yeah... We saw it here, too.  Apparently, our problem was with
'#' sign delimited comments in .Xdefaults.  If the comment
appears on the line, it nullifies any resource change made.
So, check and see if they're there and if so, remove 'em, or
replace 'em with '!' delimiters.  I think that should fix
it.

Rian Schmidt
rians@cfsmo.honeywell.com
From: jarmolow@samsung.com (Tom Jarmolowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Using the floppy dirve on 7xx machine
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:35:30 GMT
Reply-To: jarmolow@samsung.com
Organization: Samsung Software America

I'm looking for information on how to use the floppy drive on a 720. 
What I'm trying to do is write two tar files onto a set of floppies. 
The first tar file is an installation script that the user untar's.  The
second tar file is quite large (it spans several floppies) and is
untar'ed by the install script. 

When using tape, the install script is the 1st tar file on the tape.
The install script does something like this:

	mt -t $REWIND_TAPE_DEVICE rewind
	mt -t $NOREWIND_TAPE_DEVICE fsf 1
	tar xvf $NOREWIND_TAPE_DEVICE

My questions are:

(1) What special files should I be using to access the floppy.
    The only one I'm aware of is /dev/dsk/floppy: block special (7/2101248)

(2) How can I put multiple files onto a floppy ?

(3) If I need to build a file system on a floppy what do I need to do to
    format it ?

(4) *** Where can I find more information on this *****


Thanks in advance
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From: hamdan@iti.gov.sg (Outlander(KSL))
Subject: xloadimage & xview binaries wanted.
Originator: hamdan@atlas.iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:24:19 GMT


Hi,
   I am looking for the binaries to xloadimage and xview for my HP9000/425t
running HP-UX 8.0. I am trying to locate these because I wanted to have other
background pictures besides my default vue backdrop. I have manage to disable the
vue background but I do not seem to have any utilities to load in images to the
background. So for now I have a plain black backdrop.

Can anyone help? Please send your replies to me at the following mailing address.

Internet:  hamdan@iti.gov.sg
Bitnet:    hamdan@itivax.bitnet

Thanking all in advance.

Regards.

-----------------------------------
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From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: How do I change my process context?
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:39:51
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.116

I'm running HP-UX 9.0 (pre-release build of Aug 25 14:48:23 MDT) on a
Series 720.

I want to add a single word to the context of one of my shells and all
of its children.  Can that be done?

Can I add a single word to the context of every process on a my
machine?

Can I achieve the latter by giving my machine a cnode name other than
"standalone" even though it is not part of a cluster?
--
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617-498-3255           || 10 Fawcett St, Cambridge, MA, USA 02138-1110
"So what we've decided to do is set you up in Cicely, situated
 in an area that we Alaskans refer to as The Alaskan Riviera."
From: chrise@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Eich)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:17:24 GMT
Subject: Re: bug in rename(2)...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

You are using rename(3) from libPW.a.  If you must link against libPW
for other routines, specify libc explicitly just before libPW:

LDFLAGS = ... -lc -lPW ...

This should link the syscall wrapper for rename(2) instead.

Chris
From: 306492@itesmvf1.rzs.itesm.mx (Luis Humberto Morin Vergara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Hard disk for 386 vectra
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:21:14 GMT
Organization: ITESM Mexico State Campus


 
Hi netters.
 
Could someone recomendme a 200-250 Mb , hardisk  for a 386 vectra.
It canbe either a IDE or SCSI-II drive. Also recomendme a controler card
cause i am going to change mine , thats why I would like to know of both
IDE or SCSI-II controlers.
Thanks in Advance.
Luis Morin
306492@itesmvf1.rzs.itesm.mx
em306492@hpserv.cem.itesm.mx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: twotone@rio.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Vuepad printing
Followup-To: email, newsgroup
Organization: Quinton Instruments, Seattle
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:23:26 GMT



After RTFMing through everyting I have, I was unable to come up with any 
substatial documentation on Vuepad.  Does anyone know how to set the print
command?  I'd like to print from Vuepad to a printer that is not the default.
Is there an rc file or something like that I need to configure?



Anthony King
twotone@ee.washington.edu

Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:13039 swnet.sys.hp:2
From: gucme@gdunix.gd.chalmers.se (Matz Engstrom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,swnet.sys.hp
Subject: Any archival system with menus for casual users
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:11:51 GMT
Organization: Gothenburg Universities Computing Centre, Sweden

Hello, I need a good archiving system for
our cluster of HP-UX workstations. The system
should store datasets that aren't needed on 
disk safely on cheaper storage. Storage could
be tape or possibly optical disc. The server
to have the system is manned by operators, so
it is not absolutely necessary for it to work
unmanned. A few other things we want from it is:

- good user interface with menus. Easy to use
  for the casual user
- good helptexts and documentation on line
- index of stored data on line to be searched
  by ordinary users
- at least as secure as the HP-UX we run in
- possibility to store several versions of a
  file
- A possibility to set limits on how much a
  user or group can store
- a possibility to have statistics from it on
  usage per user etc
- reliability - a physical error on a storage
  volume should not prevent us from having data
  back (twin storage or such)

It would also be good if there is support for
us here in Sweden on the products you suggest.

Do you know of such systems? Please write to
the group and tell us! I've found the system
CenDar, that may be a candidate.    
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          Address Box 19070; Kapellg}ngen 5; S-400 12 Gothenburg; Sweden
          Phone +46 31 818 338; Fax +46 31 185 006;
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