From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.hardcore,alt.skinheads
Subject: Facists, Liberals, and Facist Liberals (WAS Skrewdriver...)
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:20:16 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan19.230905.20282@ide.com>, "Leah" writes:
 >In article <16B5AD0D0.GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU :
 >>hey assholes, give the guy a break!!  why are you assuming he's a skin/
 >>racist?  maybe he just likes the fucking music.  i love CRASS but don't
 >>necessarily agree with all their extremist viewpoints either.  i love the
 >>music, not the bullshit they sometimes spew.

 >If you took the time to read the post more carefully, you would have noticed 
 >that the author mentioned a desire to attend a rally sponsored by a 
 >man by the name of Metzger who is well known in the neo-Nazi world. I would 
 >feel secure in assuming, simply by virtue of his desire to be associated 
 >with this group, that the man is, in fact, racist.

Bzzzzzzzt.  I *never* mentioned a desire to attend a Metzger rally.  I 
said I heard Skrewdriver was playing there.  I wouldn't attend a Metzger
rally (or one sponsored by any other extreme racist group) if it was
the last thing to do on Earth.  And I *am* a "skinhead"; we're not all
Nazi fuckheads or wannabe Klansmen or even remotely paranoid.

To use your words, "I feel secure in assuming" that you can't read.  I wanted
to know because I hadn't seen anything by them since about '86.  I don't 
own any of their albums.  I like hard, fast hardcore--not for politics, for
tunes.  Just as much as I like Skrewdriver and AFront, I like old TSOL and
Discharge, whose lyrics are pretty anarchaic.  I love MetallicA, whose
lyrics are cynical.  I like the Grateful Dead, whose fans are, well, left
of left for the most part.

But I shouldn't have to defend myself for asking what is happening with
the career of a band.  Any band.  This is a music discussion group, not
a forum for a bunch of college kids--who are going to turn the world upside
down some day (they hope)--to use as a forum for politics full of bullshit 
righteousness (use alt.politics).  Not that this is the only "music" group
full of bullshit politics; see rec.music.gdead for that.

NOTE:  Those alt.skinheads readers, I xposted the post into your group in case
       someone had the answer to my question.  I usually read alt.music.
       hardcore.  Our sysadmin here doesn't want *any* "politics" groups
       on our news server, so no more alt.skinheads.  If you have comments,
       please email me or post 'em to alt.music.hardcore.  Thanks.

One thing that blows me away, though.  How come it's okay to discuss 
"left wing"ers, such as Shithead O'Connor (and Jello Biafra, IMHO), but you 
can't even mention the name of "right wing"ers such as Skrewdriver?  I know 
Sinead doesn't preach genocide, but her music is still shit and her attitude 
is completely fucked.  Some misguided kids may actually use her as a role 
model.  

You know why?  It's trendy to be facist with liberal opinions.  If you
think for yourself, and your thoughts aren't PC, it's the job of the liberal 
facist to ram their opinion down your fucking throat until you can't breathe 
and there is no more opposition.  Then, the world will be all better because
everyone will share the same, wonderful opinions.  (Kinda sounds like the
idealog fantasy of one Mr. Schickelgruber [sp?] around the mid-30's, eh?)  

It's funny, and scary, how people can read and read and read into a simple
eight or nine line post consisting, for the most part, of a question.  I admit
I put a disclaimer at the beginning of the post asking to spare the
unwanted PC opinions, and to some people that immediately means "flame back
NOW" because they *have* to shove their opinion up everyone else's ass.  And
that was kind of asking for it while asking to avoid it.  ;-@

OBTW, I even got flamed by one fuckhead not for asking about Skrewdriver but
for admitting I had been in the Army (hey, I was a Ranger, am a Grenada
vet, and am proud of the four years I served).

But has anyone changed the way they think over this?  I doubt it.

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

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