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From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Pauline)
Subject: Haunting Shadows of My Desire...
Originator: psgoh@pieman
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston (formerly TSIT)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:13:47 GMT

Haunting Shadows of my Desire...


Through the door of my tormented soul,
I see;
  grey clouds float sorrowfully by,
  slow drops of tears from heaven show,
  to mingle with petals that weep and cry,
  to watch, a once great land die.

I hear;
  far away, the scream,
  I walk away, pretending
  there was nothing,
  but I turn and look,
  to have misery meet at every wake,
  Now I know, I travel no more in dream;
    rot and decay of the world thrive,
      where hate has won, and love strive.

I ask;
  not knowing where I am,
  lost and confused in my darkest realm,
  running scared, yet still against the wall, 
  no more smile and laughter, I perceive,
  Better not to awake, but,
  be in death, be in peace,
  now and for all.

(12-11-92)
From: mccullou@cae.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: rapu, rapu, how i love ya / Marek (was Re: Urdu Ignorance (part II))
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:45:15 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Nov11.055435.5986@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin) applies demagoguery (look, no webster):
>
>>Don't think of it as doubt...think of it as my having a better opinion of
>>Northwestern's library, after all your bragging.  ;)  I thought Dewey was
>>only used any more by part-time libraries in small midwestern towns.  
>
>Yeah, like Madison, Wisconsin, University of Wisconsin.  You are so 
>ill-informed it hurts my nipples.

Another "little" example that I know.  The library that in the late
1980's (public now) that had the second largest circulation in the
_nation_ used and still did use as of August, the Dewey system.

If you are looking for this library, you would be surprised, but the
statistic holds, it isn't a little library that noone uses.

Try Columbia, MD.  For those who don't know the area, thats 30 miles
from Washington DC, and about 20 from Baltimore.  Nice and modern
library too, lots of computers around.
:)M^2
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From: jjimenez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joel A Jimenez)
Subject: Cliche
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:50:25 GMT


Well...
  Since everyone else is trashing it, I might as well get in on the act. :)



         Flimsy, flowery, phrases,
         That tumble with cliche.
         Relax upon the Autumn
         Couch.  Lying on display.

                     Joel A. Jimenez
                     11/12/92


"... Speak what you think today in words as hard as cannon balls, and tomorrow 
speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every 
thing you said today. "
                   - Ralph Waldo Emerson
                     'Self - Reliance'
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: HELP NEEDED (Is poetry luxury?)
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:02:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Nov9220257
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard
In-reply-to: wprovinc@zeus.calpoly.edu's message of Mon, 09 Nov 1992 18:09:07 GMT


wprovinc@zeus.calpoly.edu (William E. Province) writes:

>>> 
>>>    I can not speak for every one else, but for me, poetry is
>>> a necessity.  I write poetry for the same reason that I learned
>>> how to speak, and _only_ if you could consider speaking a 
>>> luxury can you consider poetry a luxury.
>>> 
>>>   -- bill

>>
>>Perhaps some clarifaction is the writing of poetry considered a luxury
>>or the buying of poetry collections or perhaps just the time to read
>>poetry?  

WP
>     Let's see how far I can push this metaphor : I write poetry for
> the same reason that I learned how to speak.  I listen to/read
> poetry for the same reason that I learned how to understand the
> spoken words of others.
>   -- bill

Arrrrghhh! Aren't you people sick of meaningless, 
moth-eaten metaphors? Universal human functions have 
no inherent aesthetic value. Self-aggrandizing
graphomania undoubtedly results from a tender,
romantic attitude towards oneself.

Philip Nikolayev
nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Kate   )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: Advice:  A Love Sonnet
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:54:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5741
Organization: Seattle University

In article <1992Nov12.160018.8086@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Kate, Postie?  Anyone really?

:) Hi.

>Do us a favor and post the rhyme scheme for Shakespearean and
>Petrarchan?
>And isn't there one more?

Shakespearean or Elizabethan sonnet, iambic pentameter dominating rhythm

either		or
a		a
b		a
a		b
b		b
c		c
d		c
c		d
d		d
e		e
f		e
e		f
f		f
g		g
g		g

Petrarchan or Italian sonnet, iambic pentameter dominating rhythm

either		or		or
a		a		a
b		b		b
b		b		b
a		a		a
a		a		a
b		b		b
b		b		b
a		a		a
/		/		/
c		c		c
d		d		d
c		e		e
d		c		e
c		d		d
d		e		c


Often in modern poetry the Petrarchan early rhyme scheme is modified to
fit the Shakespearean form, so that rather than reading abab or aabb the
sonnet reads abba, though it does not maintain the rhyme for the whole
poem but only for the quatrain, of which there are three in the
Shakespearean tradition, as well as a rhyming couplet.

Bah.  How dry.  But the rules for sonnets nonetheless.

>Mary Anne, who remembers iambic pentameter, the natural rhythm of
>English, but no more.

:) Kate.
--
       Sheryl Stover  %  If you ask me what I have come to do in the world,
  & Hemingway & Clio  %  I who am an artist, I will reply: "I am here to
sstover@seattleu.edu  %  live aloud."                    -Emile Zola
From: ralph@wixer.cactus.org (Ralph Cherubini)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Poem--If you doubt
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:01:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: wixer.1992Nov10.230141.7896
Organization: Real/Time Communications


                                If you doubt

               Completing tasks
               when I place these words
               when you take these words
               when they come
               somehow
               into the place of your being
               where you are now
               these words
               "completing tasks"
               either ring like a clap in a cave
               (echos all around)
               or the silence continues
               of your naked awareness
               continuous through all
               unstained by infinite colors
               prism-like it exists
               independent of that which passes through
               if you doubt this
               think it not fact
               wait
               and the removal of where you are
               death
               will convince you entirely.




-- 
ralph@wixer.cactus.org
cactus.org!wixer!ralph
From: cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Air Collusion
Keywords: colly-wobbles, Colonel Blimp
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:40:34 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA





                       Air

              Where has this air been,
              that fills my lungs each breath?
              What past could this one breath reveal?
              Does it often climb to stratospheric     
              currents, then back to ground as breath
              for another? Has this breath
              ever been a warm beach breeze
              under a pale moon sky in Havana,
              or a bitter Siberian mid-winter's gale?
              Has this air ever dashed round wildly
              riding the eye of a storm?
              Did Tutankamon or Jesus Christ           
              or the Bhudda ever breathe this air,
              now mine for one moment? 
              Whose breathe was it yesterday?          
              Will it be your breath tomorrow?            


                           11/06/92

              ---------------------------------

              Cecil Williams  |  Liz Haight
              Spokane, WA     |  Valley Falls, NY
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: mstringh@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (Mike Stringham)
Subject: Liberation Theology:  2nd draft
Originator: mstringh@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Entomology - NCSU, Raleigh, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:10:05 GMT

LIBERATION THEOLOGY

I sit, toes content
to be possessed by sand,
woolgathering by this ocean
that reminds me of my father
and how I used to think
he would plow a continent
just for the smell of it;

recall how the rapture
overtook him each Spring
as he moved through the bottoms
from half light to half light
simply glad for the deep
rich sense of sod breakers
rolling in his wake;

and know for me, like him,
redemption depends
on this raucous descending
drum song and shanty of waves,
light's reflected leap
up from white-sanded beaches,
From: cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Sail
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:24:30 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA




		All rivers flow 
		to their mother the sea
		and you can't stop 
		the flow, even dams
		only slow it a while. 

		I feel a yearning, a
		tug within my heart; 
		Go to sea, sail across 
		the face of the mother.

		I feel an urge to
		return to primordial brine, 
		plasma of our primogenitors;
		to sail beyond the sunset, 
		become one with the sunrise.

		I want to sail far away to 
		exotic island places.
		I hear marimbas in the breeze;
		and feel a nervous resonance 
		within that says to go, 
		follow the wind, sail away.




		Cecil Williams
		10/30/92
		**************


C&C
From: larryw@sun.lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: recognition
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:33:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov11.213338.12308
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR



As always, comments would be appreciated
________________________________________


recognition


i wonder if you're sorry about the words you used
i hope for your sake that you are
the way you tossed them around so carelessly
as though you were tossing stones in to a pond

i wonder too if you're sorry about your love
the way you offered it so freely
as though you could take it back as easily
as though it were an old sweater you were lending

judgement is not my intent in saying these things
we're told after all that it's wrong to judge
i'm asking only for the smallest nod of recognition
so i can know, at least, that you were listening


- Lawrence

-- 

_____
larryw@lclark.edu | *L.Westdahl is a caring nurturer, a member of several
writer, musician  | twelve step programs, but not a licensed therapist.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: wprovinc@zeus.calpoly.edu (William E. Province)
Subject: Re: Blistering Flame on How Not to Write / Marek (Re: ** How can any man)
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 18:17:21 GMT

In article <BEH.92Nov8084235@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> beh@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (various Howellses) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.233005.16027@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>
>
>   You don't want to share her thoughts when she is defacating and having a
>   hard time of it.  
>
>
>FOR MY LOVE ON THE POT
>
> [ A truly vile and disgusting poem deleted...  :^)]

    Be careful Nancy, you might turn somebody on!  :^)
(Maybe this belongs in alt.tasteless...)

>--Nancy Howells
>*grin* playfully, playfully.....
>

    -- bill

Normalcy takes a sick and demented mind.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: ekankaan@kaira.hut.fi (Eero Kankaanp{{)
Subject: two e anne too
Organization: sleet greetings and snowstorm hailing
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:02:06 GMT

  this one is a pearl but i decided to post it anyway and
  this one goes to the one i..i..don't know

    anne shirley with two ees,
    of green gables,  (threeees)
    also know as the carrot,
    lady of shalot?,
    had such a way with her gabbles
  
     you are welcome
.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (Maven o'Mirth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: another poem that is not mine
Summary: Archibald MacLeish's wisdom, not mine
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:18:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5670
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

For all of you discussing what poetry is or is not, and says or does not say:


		Ars Poetica
		------------------------
		A poem should be palpable and mute
		As a globed fruit,

		Dumb
		As old medallions to the thumb,

		Silent as the sleeve-worn stone
		Of casement ledges where the moss has grown --

		A poem should be wordless
		As the flight of birds.

			*

		A poem should be motionless in time
		As the moon climbs,

		Leaving, as the moon releases
		Twig by twig the night-entangled trees,

		Leaving, as the moon behind the winter leaves,
		Memory by memory of the mind --

		A poem should be motionless in time
		As the moon climbs.

			*

		A poem should be equal to:
		Not true.

		For all the history of grief
		An empty doorway and a maple leaf.

		For love
		The leaning grasses and two lights above the sea --

		A poem should not mean
		but be.

			-Archibald MacLeish
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Sheila Herndon)
Subject: btw, rec.arts.poembs does not exist!
Summary: this isn't a poem yet, I am playing around.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:31:21 GMT


Your word is a place to go to a place
to cradle in, I've got arms and they
have tips of hairs that tempt the heat to
stay to flee as long as I don't grope like doug says,
and he's right,
Your word is a couch I am going to curl up into a ball
on it and be so small that even you won't see me when
you step into the door, oops
Into the room, rubbing your head, ouch.
-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: bkv2673@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Miester aLster)
Subject: dark ale and the Golden Gate
Reply-To: bkv2673@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:23:26 GMT


	to merely zone in and ogle at convexity 
	of fairer flesh
	and to think of making pure physical utility,
	i think, is the life of a letch....

	but oblivious, i go sinking
	into a world of feeling, thought and pain
	through the magnanimity 
	of the fatherland's dark true ale
	and i drown one, two, more..and drink again
	to be inspired by confusion
	that show me clear streams of illusion
	and as the darkness in my glass disappears 
	it becomes the light that benumbs
	to send me reeling
	towards those delicate eyes;
	the visions are like a knife
	that show me the inner roads
	to the very heart of life.


			- aL
			  
/* inspired by vikram seth's word weaving in 
   "The Golden Gate" and dark ale */
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Cracked...
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:37:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Nov5.223736.20319
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	Cracked...	


	No remorse, I have a fiend,
	Lucky, deluged, borrowed, weened.
	Preplexed, recalled a bitter scene
	When other one repelled it seemed.

	Scaled walls of plaster, yea!
	Another goal would better play,
	Build you up before you say,
	"There may be no other way."

	What'er it is, you know it's so,
	One might as well remain a Joe
	Than share a past, my happy foe.
	Leave me now, just smile and go.

	I guess I really should have known...

				msj
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: lichter@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Michael I. Lichter)
Subject: she walks in lycra
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 03:53:41 GMT

		she walks in lycra
		----------------------------------------

		she walks in lycra
		spandex of the gaudiest
		hues

		a shining synthetic 
		princess in L.A. Gear
		shoes

		where is the love?
		where is the bliss?
		will she ever deign
		to give me a kiss?

				-ml 92.11.10
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser)
Subject: Stephen Crane
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:17:20 GMT


Stephen Crane wrote a poem that I reminds me who is in control of
everything that I do:

A man said to the Universe,
"Sir, I exist."
"However," repied the Universe,
"That fact creates in me no sense of obligation."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: Re: rapu, rapu, how i love ya / Marek (was Re: Urdu Ignorance (part II))
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:49:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.002958.1608@news.acns.nwu.edu>, marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
(Marek Lugowski) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.171548@IASTATE.EDU> mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
writes:
> >In article <1992Nov10.223831.29375@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
> >(Marek Lugowski) writes:
> >> they aren't.  There is a Dewey system and a Library of Congress system
> >> I forgot which is which *sheepish smile* -- but this isn't the one at 
> >> Northwestern -- it's the one at U of Chicago and Indiana University...
> >> 
> >> > 20 Glebov Nikolai Vlad>                              1967  MCK    STACKS
> >> >     Literatura urdu;  kratkii ocherk.                PK2031.G55
> >
> >Oh, for urdu's sake!  (There!  I knew we'd find a use for it.)  This is
> >Library of Congress numbering.  Are you *sure* Northwestern doesn't use it? 
> >Most university libraries do.  Check again.
> >
> >	
> >Marie Coffin
> 
> Look, you dweeb.  Do you really think I couldn't tell the difference?
> Here.  Today I happened to pick up two books in an Urdu dialect known as
> Polish by Halina Poswiatowska, through Inter-Library Loan, 
>                  [...bunch of Marek growling deleted...]
> From now on, Marie, don't you dare doubt my library skills... Growl.
> 
> 				-- Marek
> 
> P.s.  A question to oversea rappers -- how are books indexed outside of US?

Don't think of it as doubt...think of it as my having a better opinion of
Northwestern's library, after all your bragging.  ;)  I thought Dewey was
only used any more by part-time libraries in small midwestern towns.  


Marie Coffin

P.s. Lissen, idiot...we all know you have no library skills, social skills, 
spelling skills and furthermore you need a medium-sized computer to tell
you what day of the week it is.  Don't try to kid me.  
Xref: sparky rec.arts.poems:11074 news.groups:20905
From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems,news.groups
Subject: Re: Vote results? / Marek (was: Urdu Ignorance, by Ali)
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:45:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.poems
Organization: Jubal Colege, Department of Harp and Organ

[the following is how I *really* wanted to post this, but the
 net.software.fascist did not lemme:]

Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems,news.groups,news.police.spank.spank.spank,rec.arts.poems.urdu,net.any.bogus.group.here,soc.culture.lack.thereof
Subject: Re: Vote results? / Marek (was: Urdu Ignorance, by Ali)
Followup-To: rec.arts.poems
Organization: Jubal College, Department of Harp and Organ


ali@simdiv1.mentorg.com (Aliasgar Haveliwala) gives the world a coke and
sings in perfect harmony:

>	How about this for the world of ignorants
>
>		There once was a man from English (ha ha ha)
>		who had something bad on his shoe
>		so he went to his yard
>		and he shuffled real hard
>		And tried to EAT off all the .....
>
>ALi
>
>-- 
>___________________________________________________________________________
>Ali Haveliwala					  ali_haveliwala@mentorg.com

So good of you -- at last -- to grace rec.arts.poems with your (or Urdu)
poetic contributions, but could you please have the decency to report the
result of the Call For Vote on the creation of rec.arts.poems.urdu which
you said terminated on Nov. 4, *a week ago*?

You are being a very bad little net.doobie by keeping this undisclosed.

				-- Marek
From: wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: rapu, rapu, how i love ya / Marek (was Re: Urdu Ignorance (part II))
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: wachtel@canon.co.uk
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:

> P.s.  A question to oversea rappers -- how are books indexed outside of US?

by the colour of the binding, of course. how else?


-- 

Tom Wachtel (wachtel@canon.co.uk)
From: messer@utkvx2.utk.edu (The Jagged of your Dreams!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: awful love & poetry
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:40:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkvx2.12NOV199215402093
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <use5TB2w164w@kryton.UUCP>, conrad@kryton.UUCP (Konstatin Kalikanzaros) writes...
>maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna) writes:
> 
>> I may sound like a hopeless romantic by saying this....
>> 
>> Isn't there more to love than just fucking?  I always thought
>> that part of love was supposed to be special, not just a cheap
>> physical act.....
>> 
>Yeah but even people in love sometimes do cheap physical things.  I mean
>the soft caring warm fuzzy shit gets boring after a while.  A wild bang 
>can perk things up a bit if ya know what I mean.
> 
>conrad
> 
> 
>____________________________________________________________________________
>Reality is for people that can't handle Science fiction.
> 
I am really scared of how this discussion is going.
For my two cents worth:

Physicality is NOT cheap and NEED NOT be paired with LOVE(tm) to be wonderful!

or, to bput it another way...

FUCK IS MAGIC UNTO ITSELF!

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From: donz@ui.org (Don Zirilli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: a favorite poem by someone else
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:32:22 GMT
Organization: UNIX International, Parsippany, NJ

In article <1992Nov9.213408@IASTATE.EDU> mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin) writes:
>
>This is from Auden's "In Memory of W. B. Yeats"
>
[poem deleted]
>
>Even Don should like that one.  ;)


Yes, I do like it.  Yeats was a snob, like me, and Auden must have known
that.

Yours,

Snob O'Toole


-- 
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