HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Posting JFK stuff here? Why?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:49:19 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( ):
>Unfortunately, someone "upstream" of us has decided that they don't want
>to carry alt.c.jfk.

That's not the fault of anyone else, now is it?  Why, then, should
you post inappropriate articles in a group used for other subjects?

>Of the groups that are left, this is the most appropriate place to
>post/read these items.

Well, if you care not for being considerate, post away.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: SI system (Was Re: Byte me : ) (Was Re: Writing portable code))
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:34:06 GMT

AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET () writes:
: In article <BrL6Mr.4FF@world.std.com>, dpbsmith@world.std.com (Daniel P. B.
: Smith) says:
: >
: >BTW -- why isn't there metric time? Ten hours per day, 100 seconds per
: >hour?
: 
: Well, it might have something to do with the relative uselessness of a
: "second" that is 86.4 (current) seconds long. :-)
: 
: David Hungerford  AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET  Opinions?  Mine, all mine!!!

Heh, heh! I like it. Then when a person said "Be with you in just a second",
you could probably assume that they were telling the truth.

If you had 100 seconds/minute, 100 minutes/hour and 10 hours/day - a second
would cover a time interval about 86% as long as our current second.

Bill
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Subject: Re: Microwaved cats exploding?
From: srcriro@chv.dsir.govt.nz
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:27:09 +1200
Organization: DSIR, Lincoln, New Zealand

The superheated microwaved water depends on the water being fairly pure, or at
least free of particles that the steam bubbles can initiate on, otherwise the
glass just bubbles away as you would expect.
 
The cat would explode well before it was taken out of the oven when the pain of
being slowly cooked suggested that all was not well. Even a dead cat would
behave pretty much like a piece of dead cow, it would just sit there and steam
quietly, with the multitude of impurities present in the tissue allowing
bubbles to form readily.
 
I suggest that this is just another version of the microwaved poodle urban
legend that probably caused this newsgroup in the beginning.


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From: gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold)
Subject: scanning a stationary sound medium
Followup-To:  Scanned records
Keywords: digital sound history Stockham Sounstream Telarc
Reply-To: gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:02:25 GMT


During the early days of digital sound, storage was primarily on magnetic disk
drives and primarily for research.  Tom Stockham started a company in Salt Lake
City, Utah, called Soundstream.  The name later changed to Digital Recording Corp.
Soundstream made money by providing digital mastering and editing service before
anyone else.   I think several years before anyone else.  The results were usually
33 1/3 rpm records of 'classical' music under the Telarc label.

Soundstream was actively working on a consumer medium for digital sound consisting
in a stationary rectangular card that was scanned in raster fashion.  Sony turned
out to be lots better at developing consumer products, so the CD easily beat
Soundstream's card to market.

Alas, my optimisticly bought shares of DRC Inc. aren't much help for my retirement
portfolio, but Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" and Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons"
still give me a thrill.

Thank you Tom Stockham, Bob Ingebretsen, Dennis Mecham et al.
-- 
Bruce Gold gold@velara.sim.es.com
From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Drinking beer through a straw
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:10:52 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <1992Jul28.153046.14901@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
>Any truth to the rumour/legend that you get more drunk if you drink
>beer/alcohol through a straw?
>
>   2) When you drink through a straw, there is not suddenly a greater
>quantity of alcohol being consumed.
>
>
I thought it was 'cos you swallow less air when you drink though a straw.

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From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Drinking beer through a straw
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:30:46 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

Any truth to the rumour/legend that you get more drunk if you drink
beer/alcohol through a straw?

My less scientific friends don't realize that

   1) Drunkenness is a highly subjective thing that depends on many factors

   2) When you drink through a straw, there is not suddenly a greater
quantity of alcohol being consumed.


Who's got the straight dope?


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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Remain time (was VCR timing question)
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:58:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: So what do you have? Two old decks that use an old-fashioned 4-digit counter
: that doesn't mean anything? Most of this conversation is about the decks
: that use a real time counter display. These will NOT show diddly on a blank
: tape. The capstan isn't connected to anything on these decks and certainly
: won't do anything while rewinding or fast-forwarding, not even on an old 

True - my decks do not show exact remaining time. However, they do show an
estimated time. They will do this at any point on the tape - whether there
is anything recorded there or not. 

You can have your "real time counter display". As you state, it is worthless
if nothing is recorded. When blank tapes start being supplied by the maker
with framing, then they may be useful. Otherwise, they are just another piece
of high-tech useless junk.

I will continue to be happy with my elapsed-time/remaining-time counter. Even
if the remaining time is estimated by comparison of tape hub rotation rates.

Bill
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From: lsh1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shane Hebert)
Subject: Water and Alcohol
Keywords: water alcohol
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:08:24 GMT

I seem to remember something about if you mix alcohol and water,
the end volume is less than the sum of the two volumes seperately.
i.e.	I have a quart of water and a quart of alcohol,
	I pour the two into a big jug.  What I have left is less
	than two quarts of the alcohol water mixture...

Is this true?



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From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
Subject: Re: Drinking beer through a straw
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:33:24 GMT

All I know is beer tastes terrible when drunk through a straw.

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada
From: pws@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Paul W. Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: SI system (Was Re: Byte me : ) (Was Re: Writing portable code))
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:34:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards) writes:
>dpbsmith@world.std.com (Daniel P. B. Smith) writes:
>: 
>: Even if you accept the validity of the argument -- or the metaargument
>: that the base for numbers should have a more rational basis than the
>: number of fingers -- it is about as likely as calendar reform.
>:
>
>And we all know that the Kzin have four fingers per hand, and thus use
>base 8.
> 
>:
>: BTW -- why isn't there metric time? Ten hours per day, 100 seconds per
>: hour?
>: 
>

Does anyone know why almost ALL cultures, all around the world, use the
60 seconds/minute, 60 minutes/hour division of time?  I think I know...

Spoiler alert...


Five thousand years ago, in what is now Iraq, the civilization of Sumer
grew in the fertile valley between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.  They
used a number system based on *60*, which they used to measure, among other
things, time.

Over the centuries, other units have replace base-60 in length and weight,
but, all around the world, time is still divided into 60's.

Comments?

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From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: SI system (Was Re: Byte me : ) (Was Re: Writing portable code))
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <1992Jul23.003718.4324@rosevax.rosemount.com>
grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards) writes (the first time I've spotted
this in this thread, which I haven't followed terribly carefully):
>dpbsmith@world.std.com (Daniel P. B. Smith) writes:
>:
>: BTW -- why isn't there metric time? Ten hours per day, 100 seconds per
>: hour?
>: 

There was an experiment with metric time in revolutionary France,
(which is where the rest of the metric system comes from).  As well as
poetic-sounding names for the months (which I forget), there certainly
a decimal-based time system.

In the Fitzwilliam museum here in Cambridge (something the discerning
tourist - of which there are rather few about - should always take
in), there is a clock with 10 numbers on its face.  It comes from
France at around the turn of the last century, and is really
beautifully made (as if for some French aristocrat, except they were
all largely in two pieces at the time ;-).

--
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Computer Lab, for which permission is gratefully acknowledged...
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From: kraizman@bullwinkle.tc.cornell.edu (Mike Kraizman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: RE: Drinking beer through a straw
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:35:12 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

<dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)> writes:
=> All I know is beer tastes terrible when drunk through a straw.

  Beer tastes terrible no matter how you drink it. The reason
you drink it through a straw is:

   1) To get a quick drunk and 
   2) (this is my own) so it goes straight down my throat
	and I don't have to taste it.


Michael Kraizman
s5lx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: SI system (Was Re: Byte me : ) (Was Re: Writing portable code))
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:36:57 GMT
 <1127@uknet.ac.uk><1992Jul8.193133.6770@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> <BrL6Mr.4FF@world.std.com> <92203.131319AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

<AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

>In article <BrL6Mr.4FF@world.std.com>, dpbsmith@world.std.com (Daniel P. B.
>Smith) says:
>>
>>BTW -- why isn't there metric time? Ten hours per day, 100 seconds per
>>hour?

>Well, it might have something to do with the relative uselessness of a
>"second" that is 86.4 (current) seconds long. :-)

Surely, the only correct measurement of time is the microfortnight.
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
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From: juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola)
Subject: Re: Water and Alcohol
Keywords: water alcohol
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:58:38 GMT

In article <lsh1.711986904@Ra.MsState.Edu> lsh1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shane Hebert) writes:
>I seem to remember something about if you mix alcohol and water,
>the end volume is less than the sum of the two volumes seperately.
>
>Is this true?

Is experimental science a dirty word nowadays?  It seems like this is
the sort of thing you could do at home without even an NSF grant....

	- kitten
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Drinking beer through a straw
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:44:08 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <721@dsbc.icl.co.uk> sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.153046.14901@panix.com> fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
>>Any truth to the rumour/legend that you get more drunk if you drink
>>beer/alcohol through a straw?
>>
>>   2) When you drink through a straw, there is not suddenly a greater
>>quantity of alcohol being consumed.
>>
>>
>I thought it was 'cos you swallow less air when you drink though a straw.

You may have inadvertently hit on something there.  It's not that you
swallow less air, but, in the case of a carbonated beverage, you swallow
lots of CO2 when you drink through a straw.  Because, you need to have a
seal around the straw in order to maintain the vacuum, the CO2 will not be
able to escape the way it would drinking from a cup.

Now, what possible difference could swallowing CO2 make?  You burp it up
anyway. 

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From: cfrbj@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Bob Jorstad)
Subject: Re: Water and Alcohol
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:54:07 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Jul29.225416.5365@u.washington.edu> wolgamot@milton.u.washington.edu (Greg Wolgamot) writes:
>The reason that an alcohol/water mixture occupies less volume than the two 
>components separately is that the the intermolecular spaces of the the mixture
>are less than that of the pure alcohol, due to hydrogen bonding with the water.
>And, by the way, I like Full Sail. Also George Killians.
>
>--Greg at Uw

f I remeber my chemistry terms correctly, isn't the word miscible an
approprite description of this phenomenon?
		BOB


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce watson)
Subject: Re: Water and Alcohol
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: water alcohol
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 03:22:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.155838.8198@colorado.edu> juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola) writes:
>In article <lsh1.711986904@Ra.MsState.Edu> lsh1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shane Hebert) writes:
>>I seem to remember something about if you mix alcohol and water,
>>the end volume is less than the sum of the two volumes seperately.
>>
>>Is this true?
>
>Is experimental science a dirty word nowadays?  It seems like this is
>the sort of thing you could do at home without even an NSF grant....
>
>	- kitten

It could be done at home if one could afford a quart (shall we make it
a liter of reagent alcohol. It's got to be extremely expensive and 
then we have to pay the liqour tax. The newsgroup forum is perfect
for this kind of question. I haven't yet read the rest of the thread
but I'll bet that someone here has done it or is now applying for an
NSF grant. :-)

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From: davew@fig12.cray.com (Dave Wagner)
Subject: Re: Drinking beer through a straw
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:49:08 CDT

Originator: davew@fig12


> > I like beer.  My favorite brand is Miller Lite.
> > Then Bud (either Light or regular).
> 
> Do you also like carbonated urine?  
> Adequately chilled, of course.
>
He just said so, didn't he?

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From: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Water and Alcohol
Reply-To: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:22:40 GMT

In article <lsh1.711986904@Ra.MsState.Edu>, lsh1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shane Hebert) writes:
>I seem to remember something about if you mix alcohol and water,
>the end volume is less than the sum of the two volumes seperately.
>i.e.	I have a quart of water and a quart of alcohol,
>	I pour the two into a big jug.  What I have left is less
>	than two quarts of the alcohol water mixture...
>
>Is this true?
I believe it is true. I know I read it Ripley's Believe it or Not.
The tidbit included the ratio, which I have forgotten, but was at least
5% so you can probably measure it easilly enough at home.

Why should this be so? The generic organic chemistry answer is 
"hydrogen bonding, " which fits nicely in this context.
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Drinking beer through a straw
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:07:50 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <krikket.5407@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:

>According to Uncle Cecil, if I remember correctly, is that you do get drunker
>faster if you drink beer through a straw.  Reason:  The alcohol surface area
>is greatly expanded (due to less volume at a time) and is therefore asorbed
>into the body faster than if you were guzzeling it...

So what you are saying is that if you drink slower you will get more
drunk??

I don't think so.  Although it does almost seem to make sense.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: SI system (Was Re: Byte me : )
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:26:48 GMT

srcriro@chv.dsir.govt.nz writes: 

: One thing that puzzles me about the SI system is how did the
: Americans come to use such odd spellings eg
:  
: > But what struggled me in addition: How come that neither system really
: > works with basic units? Why on earth must cgs use centimeters instead
: > of real meters, and why must SI use kilogramms instead of real gramms???
: > These factors have nothing to do in *basic* units, I strongly believe.
:  
: the rest of the SI world uses grams and metres ( a meter being one of the
: thingys with a dial and needle etc).
:  

Well, in the software I write for a living I use:

         mass: kg
       length: m
         area: m^2
       volume: m^3
        force: N
     pressure: Pa
      density: kg/m^3
      gravity: N/kg
         time: s
        speed: m/s
 acceleration: m/s^2

(and so on)

This allows you to do calculations without having to throw in factors
of 10 or 100 or 1000 to get things to work correctly.

   pressure = force/area

   force = mass * acceleration

   volume * density = mass

   d length
  ----------  =  speed
   d time

(and so on)

If you are talking about everyday usages (how tall am I, how much is
in this bottle) you generally choose units such that you can represent
the quantity in question to a resonable accuracy as an integer.

I am 177cm tall rather than 1.77m or 1767mm.

Height of a mountain would be 5350m and not 534865cm.

Distance between two cities would be 550km instead of 550000m.

In everyday situations, most measurements won't have more than 3
significant digits, so choose your units so that you can represent the
quantitiy in question as a 3 or 4 digit integer.

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Rosemount Inc.                                |about all the BAD THINGS I
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From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Subject: Re: Microwaved cat explodes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:41:53 GMT

davew@fig12.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:

>What's the matter?  Is expermentation a dirty word these days?  You'd think
>someone would finally get around to trying this, and publish the results in
>a reputable journal (Adventures in Microwaving from Montgomery Ward would,
>I'm sure, be glad to get this 'recipe' and glossy photographs)    ;-)

Thats really sick.  You disgust me.
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From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Unrecoverable Application Error)
Subject: Re: Water and Alcohol
Organization: Another school running out of money!  Thanks George!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:21:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.192240.1008@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> baylor@force.ssd.lm
sc.lockheed.com writes:
+In article <lsh1.711986904@Ra.MsState.Edu>, lsh1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shane Hebert)
 writes:
+>I seem to remember something about if you mix alcohol and water,
+>the end volume is less than the sum of the two volumes seperately.
+>i.e.    I have a quart of water and a quart of alcohol,
+>   I pour the two into a big jug.  What I have left is less
+>   than two quarts of the alcohol water mixture...
+>
+>Is this true?
+I believe it is true. I know I read it Ripley's Believe it or Not.
+The tidbit included the ratio, which I have forgotten, but was at least
+5% so you can probably measure it easilly enough at home.
+
+Why should this be so? The generic organic chemistry answer is
+"hydrogen bonding, " which fits nicely in this context.

Yes, it's true!!  The alcohol and water molecules slip between each other quite
a bit so you actually use less volume than the two would use separately.
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