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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Who is Gabrielle LeMemer
Keywords: weird
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:37:51 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Aug26.111143@wsl.dec.com> gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:
>In article <palane.714850649@pv742b.vincent.iastate.edu>, palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:
>|> I received a rather interesting message for one Gabrielle B. LeMemer 
>|> warning me that the apolocolypse was due Oct. 28. [Darn, I was hoping
>|> I'd get to vote for Clinton.] I'm assuming that my name made a list
>|> as a result of the BSA debate here.
>|> 
>|> Is this person for real? If so, everyone can consider themselves warned.
>|> See you for armageddon.
>|> 
>
>I haven't gotten this notice.  But my husband was talking to his 
>parents today.  They're Mormons, and there is now a big rumor
>in the church that the second coming will happen on April 19th
>of '93.  I told him I'd put "Lunch With Christ" in my book
>for that day.

When are these people ever going to make up there minds :-)
The pamphlets around Worcester say it will happen on OCT 8th.
Maybe the rapture will just take a very long time, going from
oct8th to apr19th :-)
God uses an old IBM mainframe and the angels just can't punch
the cards fast enough. Maybe we should give god a unix computer
to speed it up a bit?

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From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: observation
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 23:08:04 -0600

Subj: observation                    Conf: (35) Alt.Politi
___------------------------------------------------------------------------
GN> |> Four years later homosexuality has become a major point in
GN> |> both republican and democratic politics.  Yes, it sucks that
GN> |> the republicans are gay bashing in their convention, but it
GN> |> does bring to light one thing.  We have made a giant step forward;
GN> |>
GN> |> This, at least, is progress.

I hate to rain on your parade, but isn't it likely that the attitudes
have changed because so many fundies are now feeling free to bash
gayness because of the AIDS "thing"?

Also, gay rights _have_ been an issue at conventions for 10 or 15 years.
More visible now, perhaps, but the presence has always been there and
been commented on.


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth condemns Oregon anti-gay and -lesbian referendum
Organization: University of Virginia
 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:49:13 GMT


--->Don't cry for us, Argentina--Dartmouth was only doing what
they thought was right.  That we could all be so outspoken.

Susie

--
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Family Values
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:57:41 GMT

In article <1874@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
>In article <AWERLING.92Aug31172210@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:
>>I keep saying this, but oh well...AMEN!  What a great story!  The GOP
>>propaganda tool they dub "traditional family values" has nothing to do
>>with values...it has everything to do with *rejecting* members of the
>>family who don't happen to be straight, don't happen to be
>>"conservative," don't happen to feel "Christian" all the time.

> Reread Bill Bennets speech at the convention. Family Values means relying on
>your family members and surrounding neighbors for support, counsel and guid-
>ance and not expecting a big government socialist program to cure all the
>problems you have. It also means establishing a set of traditions or values
>within your family which you think are important. 

My memory of Bennets speach is that it was a pseudo-intellectual
version of the same "family values" barfola.  The nuclear family
"must" be "held up" as an ideal.  Take that, all you celibate clergy,
by the way!  This he called the traditional Judeo-Christian position,
which in fact it is not.
--
Gene W. Smith
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth condemns Oregon anti-gay and -lesbian referendum
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:19:34 GMT

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.094041.26228@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Student.Assembly@dartmouth.edu (Student Assembly) writes:
>> 
>> The Student Assembly of Dartmouth College has passed by 22-8-1 a
>> statement reprinted below condemning the upcoming referedum in Oregon
>> to incorporate anti-gay and -lesbian provisions into the state
>> constitution.  Right now, it is legal in all 50 states to evict gay and
>> lesbian tenants, fire gay and lesbian employees, and execute other acts
>> of discrimination.

>I weep for the state of higher education in this country.
``Don't Cry For Me, Evelyn Leeper'' :-)

>Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New
>Jersey have all passed laws prohibiting discrimination in housing and
>employment on the basis of sexual orientation.
``The truth is, '' Vermont, NOT Rhode Island has passed a gay rights law.
And actualy I'm not sureif Hawaii's covers Housing. I think that was supposed
to be added later. I know it's a limited gay rights ``law''.

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From: greg@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Hossein Ali Qomi (mka Gregory F. Rose))
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Blue Feather and "poof-da" ?????
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:02:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: The Rialto

Unto the good gentles of the Rialto does Hossein Ali Qomi send greetings and
prayers for the blessings of Allah.

Lee Damon recently posted on the "poof-da" controversy:

>The spelling, I'm told, is actually "poofter."  I've usually heard it
>in Australian and British contexts, though it has occasionally been
>used in the states to refer to a swishy person, usually (always?) in a
>derogatory manner.

Right, but not quite.  The original form was "poofta" which was a corruption
of the Persian/Ordu word "poochtah," meaning vain, idle, a wastrel.  
Eighteenth century English imperialists in India adopted the word as a
term of derogation, corrupting the pronunciation.  When the associates
of Hastings and Clive returned to England with great wealth, they came to
be known as "nabobs" and "pooftas" and the term "poofta" came to mean
"vulgarly nouveau riche."  By the mid-nineteenth century it had gained the
general connotation of "upper class twit."  Given the somewhat greater
openess of homosexuality in upper class British society in the early
twentieth century (by comparison with the lower social classes), the 
connotation of "swishiness" gradually merged with the "upper class twit"
meaning.  In contemporary British and Australian usage it still carries
class connotations and a general sense of "affected" or "stilted" rather than
homosexuality per se.  The derogatory adjective for homosexual in British
and Australian usage is more commonly "pommy" than "poofta" and I certainly
would hold an American responsible for knowing all the British and
Australian connotations of either word.   I don't think offense was
intended.

Best Wishes,

Hossein/Greg
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: DO SOMETHING!!!
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:15:45 GMT

farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
: 
: Well, it's nice to know that law-and-order conservatives don't mind
: trashing the 14th Amendment. I hope this is declared unconstitutional if
: Oregonians are narrow-minded enough to approve this bulls**t.
: 
All the more reason to vote against George Bush.  Heaven knows what another
conservative on the Supreme Court would rule on this.

: It seems to me that gays are being made into this year's Willie Horton
: by conservatives. If you believe that homosexuality is inborn, then how
: can you condemn it? If you believe that homosexuality is a conscious decision
: made by gays, then why will you deny them the freedom of choice.
: 
Sigh.  How true.  But on the bright side, it shows that we do have strength
and visibility, or we wouldn't be so scary to 'them' that they've made us
such a big target.
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
Family Values: the sexist, racist, homophobic, classist, "Christian" values
of the 50's.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: SILVERI@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Silver Tiger)
Subject: Ontario Recognizes MOTSS Couples for Pension Benefits
Organization: Queens University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:13:52 GMT

Subject line says it all! :)
 
The federal government in Canada will now have to adjust its pension benefits
scheme accordingly, otherwise Ontario will have to set up its own pension
benefits system.
 
What happened in a nutshell:
 
Ontario employers must now legally recognize the legitimacy of a motss couple
living in a common law situation, so far as spousal pension benefits go.  This
opens the door for much needed changes to accept motss couples to be considered
legally married (either by ceremony or by common law time limits).
 
The changes were effected, after a lawyer challenged the wording of the
definition of a spouse by the province of Ontario, according to the Canadian
Charter of Rights, claiming that the previous definition was discriminatory on
the basis of sex/gender, and therefore unconstitutional.
 
The Ontario government fought in court, lost, and has no plans to appeal the
decision.
 
Future changes should be interesting to watch...
 
It should be noted that CSC (Correctional Services Canada) may have opened
the door for this challenge, as it recently instituted a similar policy
regarding its employees.
 
Considering that Ontario holds the largest population of any province in
Canada, and also that CSC is a federally legislated government body, these two
changes together may be the starter's pistol, so to speak. :)
 
Because changes to the federal pension system are already being suggested,
changes to the federal income tax system (Revenue Canada) are also being
looked at.
 
That's all from our corner of the world... More as it becomes available.  I'll
try to dredge up an official news release about this.  What I've typed in is a
combination of what I remember on the news, and some of my opinions on it, so
please feel free to provide more information if you have it.
 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Why?
From: jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:12:08 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) divulges:
->Why would gays want to get into the BSA?

Alberto, let me tell you a story (and a true one at that)...

When I turned 11 years old, a group of boys showed up in my classroom and
gave a pitch about this thing called "Boy Scouts".  It sounded like a lot of
fun, going camping every month, learning all sorts of fun stuff.  I talked
my parents into it and eventually joined.  It took me years to realize that
Scouting is insidious.  Whilst I was off having fun, going to summer camp,
hiking inf 50-milers, canoing down rivers, and so forth, I was also learning
how to be a better person and how to be a good leader.  I learned how to be
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful,
Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverant.  I learned to respect others for their
abilities, and not to judge them on irrelevant details (when you're out 100
miles into the wilderness, you learn to depend on each other, and
differences such as race, religion, sexual preference, and so forth become
very much unimportant).  I never made Eagle (my biggest regret to this day),
but I feel that I made a pretty good scout.

Now some time has passed.  I look back upon my time in Scouts and think to
myself that Scouting was more responsible for the way I am today than any
other influence, even my parents.  I am a much better person now for having
participated.  I want (most) of the values of Scouting to continue being
taught to young boys for a long time to come.  I would like to get back into
Scouting in order to help teach these values to the next generation of
Scouts.

However, due to the (to me completely irrelevant) fact that I am homosexual,
that I fall in love with men rather than women, I am deemed to be unsuitable
for getting involved.

I think that Scouting is a great idea, and can be a great benefit for the
youth of this country.  I am saddened that it upholds discriminatory
practices that are irrelevant to bringing up better youth.

JOhn.
-- 
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Silence keeps us all in darkness, We can't change things overnight;       \  /
But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovsky & Phillips
From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: DO SOMETHING!!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:20:24 GMT
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab


Hi folks,

	People have been talking about the OCA and other groups
who are fighting to take any rights we might have, or ever get.

	Here is the text of Oregon Proposition 9 and a group that you
can donate to if you want to help out.

Later,
George

--- Begin Included Text ---

Text of proposition 9:

   The state shall not recognize any categorical provision such as
   "sexual orientation," "sexual preference," and similar phrases
   that include homosexuality. Quotas, minority status, affirmative
   action, or any similar concepts, shall not apply to those forms
   of conduct, nor shall government promote these behaviors.

   State, regional, and local government and their properties and
   monies shall not be used to promote, encourage, or facilitate
   homosexuality, pedophelia, sadism, or masochism.

   State, regional, and local government and their departments,
   agencies, and other entities, including specifically the State
   Department of Higher Education and the public schools, shall
   assist in setting a standard for Oregon's youth that recognizes
   homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism, and masochism as abnormal,
   wrong, unnatural, and perverse and that these behaviors are to
   be discouraged and avoided.

   It shall be considered that it is the intent of the people in
   enacting this section that if any part thereof is held
   unconstitutional, the remaining parts shall be held in force.


(expansion of the acronym perhaps inaccurate) losing the lease on their
[SM] play space.

If you would like to help fight this, the contact address is:

        Campaign for a Hate-Free Oregon
        No on 9 Fund
        PO Box 3343
        Portland, OR  97208

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see the dangers this poses to
us all.

--- End Included Text ---

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm,misc.legal,misc.jobs.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Discrimination in employment on the basis of political belief
Followup-To: misc.legal,misc.jobs.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:02:35 GMT

Was: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Followup to: misc.legal,misc.jobs.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty

In article <1992Aug18.221441.8981@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu 
(Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>> Discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodation

>> on the basis of:                                   is generally:
>> -----------------                                  ------------
>> religious belief (including lack of belief)        illegal
>> political belief                                   legal
>> sexual orientation                                 legal but illegal in
>>                                                        some places

holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes:

>I would be quite surprised if one can be fired because of their political
>orientation legally without further cause.
[...]

It depends on your state and your circumstances. If you live in
Louisiana and work for an employer with more than 20 employees, you
are protected. Likewise, if you work for the government your are
protected (although the Hatch Act can restrict your political
activities).

By default in the U.S., however, you are employed at will, this means
that you can be fired for almost any reason or for no reason. Some
states have changed this default. (Montana was the first in 1987.)
Alternatively, you may have an employment contract that supersedes the
default.

City, state, federal governments also prohibit specific kinds of
employment discrimination. The kinds listed usually include race,
religion, sex, veteran status, etc. (You don't typically see political
belief on the list.)

Finally, states have a hodge podge of other exceptions. Some states
protect whistle blowers in some circumstances. Illinois, my state,
just started protecting off-the-job drinkers and tobacco smokers.

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
civil-liberty/campaign-92.aclu
=================
The American Civil Liberties Union's planks for its "Campaign for the
Bill of Rights '92". The planks are 1) a national campaign against
bigotry and racism, 2) constitutional protection for a woman's right
to choose, 3) a realistic approach to crime and punishment, 4) a Bill
of Rights for all working people.

=================
=================

These document(s) are available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/civil-liberty/campaign-92.aclu

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom/civil-liberty campaign-92.aclu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: Dartmouth condemns Oregon anti-gay and -lesbian referendum
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:12:21 GMT

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.094041.26228@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Student.Assembly@dartmouth.edu (Student Assembly) writes:

>> The Student Assembly of Dartmouth College has passed by 22-8-1 a
>> statement reprinted below condemning the upcoming referedum in Oregon
>> to incorporate anti-gay and -lesbian provisions into the state
>> constitution....

>I weep for the state of higher education in this country.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No, no, no; remember, this was at Dartmouth.

---
Merlyn LeRoy
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Why?
From: jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:17:18 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) divulges:
->
->The way I see this: IF I realize that my sexuality is segregated by BSA,
->I would just say fuck them and go away. Let them keep their stupid organization.

That may be your answer, Alberto, but it doesn't work for me.  If I'm
involved in an organization that I find a great deal of worth in, I want to
stay with it.  If it has some practices that I find offensive, my first move
is to try to get the organization to change.  There is no other organization
in this country (that I know of) that offers what BSA does to young men.  I
will not just say "fuck them" and leave.  I will work to make BSA available
to all young men, and all eligible adult leaders.

->Make Gay Scouts or something like that, and that is it.

If only it were that simple.

JOhn.
->
->
->
->>
->>
->>
->>FWA
->>
->>
->
->AAp


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: Student.Assembly@dartmouth.edu (Student Assembly)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Dartmouth condemns Oregon anti-gay and -lesbian referendum
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:40:41 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


One (small) way to fight the Oregon referendum from afar:

The Student Assembly of Dartmouth College has passed by 22-8-1 a
statement reprinted below condemning the upcoming referedum in Oregon
to incorporate anti-gay and -lesbian provisions into the state
constitution.  Right now, it is legal in all 50 states to evict gay and
lesbian tenants, fire gay and lesbian employees, and execute other acts
of discrimination.  A few cities around the country have enacted civil
rights ordinances for gay and lesbian citizens.  The Oregon measure
would prohibit any city in Oregon from protecting them, would require
public schools to teach that homosexuality is Rabnormal, wrong,
unnatural, and perverseS and Rto be discouraged and avoidedS (quoted
from proposed amendment), and may force the state to fire all lesbian
and gay state employees, including teachers.

The Dartmouth Student Assembly will be sending a press release and the
statement to national and Oregonian media.  We would like to see
colleges and other entities around the country likewise generate
publicity and draw attention to the situation in Oregon.  We would like
to see the issue covered as broadly as the Louisiana gubernatorial
election in which David Duke ran.

Students, please urge your student governments to take up this issue so
that we can keep media attention on this egregious situation. 
Hopefully, other student governments will be able to pass stronger
language.

-Jeff Strabone

Jeff.Strabone@dartmouth.edu
===========

Dartmouth Statement on Human Rights

Sponsor: Auguste Goldman
Committee of Origin: None
Date of Passage: August 25, 1992

Whereas, the educational institutions in the United States can have a
profound effect on the maintenance of Human and Civil Rights in this
country, and

Whereas, educational institutions have a moral and intellectual duty to
fight bigotry, and

Whereas the Oregon Citizens AllianceUs referendum constitutes a Human
Rights violation,

We, the Student Assembly of Dartmouth College, hereby condemn the
Oregon Citizens AllianceUs anti-gay and -lesbian referendum on OregonUs
November ballot.  Furthermore, we encourage other student government
organizations around the country to join us in expressing outrage at
this flagrant assault on the civil and human rights of gays, lesbians,
and bisexuals by a state government.
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