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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:53:47 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.130945.7282@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>> One can never tell what may be significant. After all, I have heard many Xians
>> say to me, "The Lord works in mysterious ways."
>
>Sometimes, that is a cheesy answer for a Christian to say.  (especially when
>speaking of wood [just joking])

Kindof funny actually
>
>I see many people in the church (the body of Christ, that is) do great things
>and help many people.  I see many come to know Christ personally, and there is
>a verse that says something like "None to God except through the Holy Spirit".

Thats nice. I've seen some good things done by christians as well. The 
negatives far outweigh the positives. I think much of the "good works" done in
third world countries is conditional on acceptance of christianity. Also, much
of the problems in (christian) third-world countries are a direct result of
christianity; overpopulation, exploitation of the lower classes (xtians make 
ideal slaves), ecological disasters.
As for people who know JC personally, this is pretty spooky, almost as much as
the previous post about necronomicon ghosties. These folks should see a 
shrink. Worse, what licence does knowing Jesus personally give these people?
WHat if Jesus tells 'em to kill people (or drink cyanide cool-aide)


>You have a good point.  I could be that in 1611 you said "should" and it meant
>"shall".  I have found a lot of "old" to "new" english quirks like that.

Ah, openmindedness reason...
>
>Tell me which versions you believe are inaccurate, specifically, and I'll look
>into the question.

As I suspected, you missed the point; all of them are suspect, unless you have
original manuscripts and can read Greek Aramaic and Hebrew. Even then, all of 
the Gospels were written a minimum of 50-100 yrs after the time of Jesus,
even by christian reconings, some (Luke for ex.) were not even present in
Israel at the time. If we look at the actual manuscripts we have, none are 
written within 300 years of the time of Jesus.
Actually, the least suspect records we have of early christianity are the dead 
sea scrolls, which paint a very different picture of early christians than
the accepted gospels do...

>You said in another post of Re: Ye great sinners that your story is kind of
>like a reverse of Mike Warnke.  If you decide to tell, I'd like to hear it.

Don't bother, this is the latest alt.satanism xtain ploy; I suspect Colvyn
& Mrshall are in this together as he used the same tactic on me. Waste of time.

>Take care.

Take a hike!

                  
                               *           BANG THE DRUM        
                               *       Let Your Freedom Ring      *

reject foolish belief systems that trap humanity...
and serve the great olde ones...
-Scott

Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.magick
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re:  Satanism and Demon Worship
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:43:47 GMT
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In article <1992Sep28.204928.18975@pellns.alleg.edu> nsz@pell4l7.alleg.edu  writes:
>	Would anyone out there who believes s/he has witnessed a  
>phenomenon of this sort please post the experience?  I have never  
>personally seen anything of the sort and was wondering where all the  
>demons are.

um- could you be more specific?
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Buying Pentagrams (Satanists / Witches are Christians)
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:00:25 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
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>> What was your 'education'?  I'd like to hear about it.
>> 
>	So would I.  I have had what I would presume to be similar  
>problems trying to be Christian.  I've found Christians persecute  
>Christians out of ignorance.  I don't think it's something exclusive to  
>Satanists.  I think human nature desires to persecute, ridicule and  
>deride.  Satanism is simply one of the smallest, more radical, nationally  
>known religions.  It is easier to persecute Satanists because Satanism is  
>a weaker religion than Christianity.  

[by popular demand]
Actually. another "Satanist" gave me some grief over it, interestingly enough
this "satanist" was a member of the Catholic church; he didn't see the
conflict...The guy went into this long harangue about the "Enocian keys"
& how the words of power would "consume" me. He said I should give up 
the path & he should stomp me a few times to test my worthyness (this clown
was 6'7"- I am 5'9"-pre karathese wethese were pre-karate days...)
Anyway, after this incident I decided that discretion was the better part of
valor...
The group he belonged to would make a nice case-study for Bill Ellis' interest
in "Demon-Worship"; an unsavory bunch...
If you want me to investigate them for you Bill; forget it; bayd newz!
(though I'll tell ya what little I know over E-Mail)

>> The only way to be a Satanist is to oppose all authority other than  
>one's
>> own.  The only variable is whether or not to take action against it.
>
>	This statement fits very well into my definition of a scientist.   
>Perhaps we are more alike than either of us would wish to believe.

yup.......


-Scott(the Great Martyr)
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:05:29 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> Well, I seem to have been mistaken in my xtians-as-masochists idea... Seems
> we have at least one sadistic xtian here...
> THen again, his post was pretty masochistic...
> I suppose this is all an aspect of the same psychological phenomenon...
> 
> You must accept the law of Cthulhu! (every Knee shall bow[shatter])
> 
> -Scott

Scott, isn't Cthulhu like a comic-book character?


-- 
Evan Marshall                            ************************************
University of Northern Iowa              *           BANG THE DRUM          *
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Military and Satanic Organizations
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:04:36 GMT


>To: <locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu>
>Subject: police, military, religion, etc.
>
>To: >internet: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu
>
>Scott, you wrote in alt.satanism:
>  LaVey was a Police Photographer...

>Feel free to post this to alt.satanism if you are so inclined. I haven't
>figured out any way to post to a newsgroup from CIS.


Address your message as follows:

>internet:alt-satanism@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:05:13 EDT
From: karen brown <KEB112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Aimless thoughts on Satanism
 <1992Oct1.192927.19383@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
 <1992Oct2.164935.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
 <1992Oct3.001722.18110@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

All of this is very intersting to me... seems you like to take a lot of quotes
and live by them; ok maybe not live by them, but you allow what other people
say to become a part of who you are and what you believe. What makes the Bible
so different? That's what people do when they quote scripture and everyone roll
s their eyes, but we should all get excited by the books or rock groups that ha
ve true insight and revelation? Give me a break.
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Satanism and Demon Summoning
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:02:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep28.230730.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

9209.29 e.v.


Semhaza writes (among many nice things):

[some of this is paraphrased]


+Example of Satanic demon worship (summoning)?

I thought that Enochian and Crowleyan demon-summoning, wherein one
considers the demons one's ENEMY, was quite Satanic.  I can see where
the (at least partially) sane would consider Cthulhoid creatures as
foes which one may use for one's own purposes and this seems to qualify
also.


+Thyagi, you not taking Wicca seriously here?

There I was not, yes.  I don't know many Wiccans who are serious about magick.
Most of them are quite inexperienced and focus on making the sun rise or
other equally laughable unnecessaries.


+Psychosis less severe in cultures where God and Nature not separate?

Yup.  The further from Nature you go for reverence, the more psychotic
people become in the culture.  Modern Science isn't helping much.  Some
of the Western poets are right on (Emerson, Blake, etc.).


+3-fold Law of Return for Warnke's Satanism?

No, I think that he gets it back because he is focussed (in BOTH his
Satanism as 'Satanist' and his Satanism as 'Christian') on changing or
warping the will of others.  Thus he gets beat up by the forces that
be (largely his own mind) for doing such nasty stuff.



Thyagi
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I am I!
And I may not know why
But I know that I like it.
_Three cheers_!  I AM I!'"


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From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Aimless thoughts on Satanism
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:02:02 GMT
Organization: UB

rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>Really? You could have fooled me.

>refused to bow to anyone but Yahweh. Why not follow his example, and worship
>Yahweh instead (or Allah, or whatever name you choose. You know who I'm talking

BZZZZZT!  He (being the most powerful of angels) Refused to bow to ANYONE.

>> Satan isn't dark.  Satanism is mostly a humanitarian (?) relegion.  That means
>> that what is most inportant to a Satanist (or so I have experienced) Is
>> his/her self.  Not a god or anything...but enjoying their life.

>And you think human nature is "humanitarian" (meaning "having concern for or
>helping to improve the welfare and happiness of mankind"). Get a clue. Enjoy
>your life. Celebrate human nature! Just remember what it is you're
>celebrating...and remember how much destruction has been caused by humanity.

Oops...I ment hunamism (I think).  Most of such relegions are Secular Humanism.
(My fawt!)

>>>We are going to die. How can anyone get around that?
>> 
>> Enjoy yerself before-hand...otherwise start believing in reincarnation...

>Reincarnation is a sop for cowards. I intend to enjoy myself quite thoroughly;
>that doesn't mean I have to go around pretending that I'm not going to die. The
>knowledge actually makes my life and my enjoyment much more consequential.

Precicely my point DUDE.  Did I say that I believed in Reincarnation? NO!

>> Because...You look down on death. Look forward to it...When we get to hell
>> beat the shit out of the people who treated you like that...until then
>> PARTYPARTYPARTY!!!

>Where do you get the idea that I look down on death? I look forward to it a
>great deal. Party? Seems a little immature. So does revenge. No great offense,
>but what you just expressed seems to me to be pretty shallow.

Condenscending attitudes get you nowhere.
Try to be constructive with your flames eh? :)

>> Now then...will you be a good faq writer and basicaly put the questions
>> asked HERE and a short version of the answers given HERE or are you going to
>> give all the newbies your views on life?

>Nuts to you...I will not put these questions and your inadequate responses in
>the FAQ because they are not of the appropriate nature. We are talking on an
>emotional level here--what we feel--the FAQ deals (ideally, at least) with the
>factual. Do you see the difference?

No...I'd Frequently Asked Questions.  Doesn't it defy the name itself to 
write anything other than FAQ's on a FAQ list?

Hmmm...

Id
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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Moses' Horns
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:58:34 GMT
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If anyone out there has the standard art-history text, Gardners "Art through
the Ages" (or whatever- it the one everyone uses) There are 3 pictures of old
representations of Moses. 2 of the 3 have horns.
p375 fig. 9-40 Biblical illustration...
p652 fig. 17-20 Michealangelo's "Moses" statue (quite magnificent actually)

On cursory examination I found no explanation for the horns in the text, though
interestingly, in the biblical illustration, Aaron, next to Moses, has none.

ye biblical scholar and servante of Cthulhu...
-Scott

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Buying Pentagrams (Satanists / Witches are Christians)
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:13:37 GMT
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In article <1992Sep27.200025.19559@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
>>> What was your 'education'?  I'd like to hear about it.
>>> 
>>	So would I.  I have had what I would presume to be similar  
>>problems trying to be Christian.  I've found Christians persecute  
>>Christians out of ignorance.  I don't think it's something exclusive to  
>>Satanists.  I think human nature desires to persecute, ridicule and  
>>deride.  Satanism is simply one of the smallest, more radical, nationally  
>>known religions.  It is easier to persecute Satanists because Satanism is  
>>a weaker religion than Christianity.  
>
>[by popular demand]
>Actually. another "Satanist" gave me some grief over it, interestingly enough
>this "satanist" was a member of the Catholic church; he didn't see the
>conflict...The guy went into this long harangue about the "Enocian keys"

A bit of clarification (I was not clear here)- The dude who hassled me about
this was a catholic (went to church anyway), AND a Satanist, or member of a
group with Satanic overtones.

>& how the words of power would "consume" me. He said I should give up 
>the path & he should stomp me a few times to test my worthyness (this clown
>was 6'7"- I am 5'9"-pre karathese wethese were pre-karate days...)
>Anyway, after this incident I decided that discretion was the better part of
>valor...
>The group he belonged to would make a nice case-study for Bill Ellis' interest
>in "Demon-Worship"; an unsavory bunch...
>If you want me to investigate them for you Bill; forget it; bayd newz!
>(though I'll tell ya what little I know over E-Mail)
>
>
>
>-Scott(the Great Martyr)
>
>


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Bible Fun Fact!
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:28:47 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BvCMCK.9CG@acsu.buffalo.edu>, dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar) writes:

> If I may...The verse (I can't remember which one) says something about 
> Moses having horns in the english transliteration.  What the original text
> was saying was something about the moon (which because of it's phases 
> can look as though it has horns) in connection with him at the time...
> My hint to the world?  Tell all of them Fucking bible thumpers to learn
> the sixty some odd languages that comprise the original UNTRANSLATED texts
> to the bible...and if they don't learn...or if it doesn't exist anymore...
> THEN FUCKING SHUT UP.  (Man...I hate fundamentalists knocking on my door)
> 
> Idbil Fubar

It's been a while since I read about that little confusion, but I thought that
it was just that there was something about him, like an aura or something, and
it got mistranslated, thus the horns. I don't remember anything about the moon.

--Semhaza
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Military and Satanic Organizations
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:31:40 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct4.190510.20302@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
> Hmmm, what about R.Catholicism? I was referring to a more general principle 
> anyway. Is the military "impulse" similar to the religious "impulse"?
> Do religions use military style tactics to create conformity among their
> followers? The Rev Sun-Yung Moon worked for the Korean army as a "brainwasher"
> didn't he?
> Think, what does the army do to recent inductees to separate them from 
> mainstream culture? What do religions do?
> It seems that at some point in both, the subject undergoes a "phase-transition"
> where SHe becomes, to a greater or lesser extent, what the programmers are
> trying to make; the subjetc is "imprinted"
> 
> I guess I'm makeing a general point now...
> -Scott

Hmmm...you do have a point, though I don't think the similarity between
religion and military is as great as you're implying. They do both use
brainwashing to an extent. The similarity would be greatest in the case of
religions that separate the person from society (this is most common in newer
religions, yes?). If a religion allows the newcomer to live n and have contact
with the rest of society, then the influence over the individual is lesser. Of
course the most extreme case is when the religion runs throughout society, so
that when the kid is being brought up, that is all they are exposed to...

I don't think that CoS isa great practitioner of this. They don't isolate the
individual, and how many children have been brought up in the tradition? Not
many, I would think.

So, I would say that you have a valid point, but you brought it up by using one
of the worst examples.

--Semhaza
From: saruman@cats.ucsc.edu (Friend of Entropy)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Bible Fun Fact!
Date: 26 Sep 1992 20:39:57 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


	
	Hey, heres something i found tremendously interesting.

	Moses has horns.  Or was always portrayed as having horns in
classical religious art until the late middle ages, because of a 
mis-translation of the bible.  A friend of mine learned of this
in an art history class.

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Bible Fun Fact!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:02:03 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I read over in alt.atheism that LaVey was dead. I missed that. When did it
happen, or did it?

--Semhaza
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From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.magick
Subject: Re: Comments on: LIBER CHAOS by Peter Carroll??
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:51:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I recommend against the book.  I think Carroll's works are rip-offs
without references and he doesn't have the quality of a Crowley to
make up for it.  You're better off with Spare, Grant or even Gray.
Good luck.

Thyagi
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Ok, so its cross-posted to Hell and back.  I figured I'd say hi!  :>
From: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Subject: Re: Lost Book of the Bible?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:39:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.223804.6836@bilver.uucp> alex@bilver.uucp (Alex Matulich) writes:
>That was interesting.  However, the list of biblical references to sources
>that aren't in the Bible was missing one notable reference:  The Book of
>Jasher (or Jashar).  This is a whole *book* that didn't make it into the
>Bible, and it's mentioned twice in the Old Testament.
>
>Can't remember the verses offhand.  Anybody have a cd-rom bible where they
>can look it up?
>

You are correct that the "Book of Jashar" (Joshua 10:13, 2Sa 1:18) was not included 
into the Bible.  For that matter, neither was the "Book of the Wars of the Lord" 
(Nu 21:14).  These writings are not in existance today and were not in existance at
the time that the Bible first began being written (gathered together).  This is not
an oversight or a misrepresentation by those responsible for the Bible, but simply 
how can you include a book into the Bible when it is not available in the first place?

In the OT, it was a common practice to commemorate national victories with songs 
(see Ex 15:1-18; Nu 21:27-30; Dt 32:1-43; 1 Sa 18:7).  It is a common belief that the 
"Book of the Wars of the Lord" and the "Book of Jashar" are ancient collections of 
these songs.

Just my $.02 worth. :-)

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From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.magick
Subject: Re: Comments on: LIBER CHAOS by Peter Carroll??
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 12:43:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <047QBBQY@cc.swarthmore.edu>

LEWIS Carroll?  As in Dodgeson?  Does Peter claim to be an incarnation of
the Carroll-soul-line?  :>  I think you may have been responding to me
from beyond the mirror, my friend.  Hehehe

Thyagi
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Atari version of the guide??
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:18:47 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

I understand that there's a version of the guide underway for Atari computers
and I would like to know in what stage it is in?
Is there some more help needed?

Thnx, 

Leon Pillich
University of Nijmegen, Holland
email: leonp@cs.kun.nl
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Roll Call!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:30:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.115320.5240@latcs1.lat.oz.au> hill@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Craig Hill) writes:
>What is this Roll Call stuff all about?  I am vaguely involved in the guide
>but our news feed lost the original post while I was away.  

I originally wrote the Roll Call post just to find out how many people actually
peruse this newsgroup.  All summer, and only 5 posts, I was wondering if there 
was really anyone out there.  I guess there are.  Which brings up the other
point of the Roll Call...

Look at all the people who responded to the Roll Call.  Look at the 35-ish
articles we have, and who's written them.  If we have so many people who
read this newgroup (and have been for a while), why don't we have a LOT more
articles?

...Paul


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