From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.math,sci.philosophy.tech
Subject: Re: STRUCTURE OF TIME
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:26:30 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.


In article <1992Sep29.140450.13452@ugle.unit.no>, kim@Lise.Unit.NO
(Kim Gunnar St|vring \yhus) writes:

 ...deleted stuff...
>
> Those people I described look quite ordinary to me. By undeveloped peoples
> I suppose you mean your 'atheistic scientists'. And I have observed and
> experienced MUCH more suffering from religion than science. I have also
> observed and experience much more pleasure and happiness from science than
> from religion.
>

 my aphorism:
>  >
>  >   "Mads so. peoples without self-disipline, become entangled only in
>  >    pleasant's trap when they only choose pleasant instead of good, and they
>  >    get lost so. they do not ever reach the goal to become happy."

>
> This is not what was discussed. Keep to the subject!
> Or do you confuse science and atheism with pleasure-seeking and undiscipline?
> If that's the case, you are mistaken. Learn what the words mean before using
> them.
>
> Kim0

  Yes it was. One lesson to 'undeveloped peoples':

  Man chooses between good and pleasant (not between good and evil):

 "Good is one, pleasant is an another matter. These two lead man to very
  different goals. Who chooses good, will become happy. Who keeps pleasant
  better, will loose his goal. Wises let never pleasant delude themself.
  They choose good. Mads become entangled only in pleasant's toils and they
  get lost.

  Thrown to ignorance man gives himself to work and employment and by
  keeping himself sensible and learned he steggers without goal like
  blind lead by blinds.
       ...

  Body is like a waggon, in front of which sences are harnessesed like horses.
  Mind is like bridle, with aid of which driver, in other words, brains keeps
  horses, in other words sences, holds in check. Soul controls waggon, and
  the road is matter's world, where sences are working. If bridles are not
  kept firmly and wisely, then sences get on the loose like refractory horses,
  and waggon does not get to the destination. If man is wise and holds
  his mind in check, then his sences are like good horses, controlled
  by a good driver.
       ...
  When knots of heart are undone and man is free from earthly attachments,
  man becomes immortal."

              (Indian wisdom, Kat'ha upanisad, roughly translated)

  "Mads so. peoples without self-disipline, become entangled only in
   pleasant's trap when they only choose pleasant instead of good, and they
   get lost so. they do not ever reach the goal to become happy."

              (little modified Indian wisdom from above Kat'ha upanisad)

   Second lesson about God and nature to 'undeveloped peoples':

  "Earth, water, fire, air, ether, thought, reason, and individual
   consciousness are eight fold division of my nature.

   Physical nature that I described is my lowest form of manifestation.
   Another and higher nature of mine is life's principle, by aid of which
   universe is maintained.

   Realize that these two forms the womb for all living beings.
   I'am the beginning of the whole universe and that where the universe
   breaks up.

   There is nothing outside of me. The whole universe depends on me like
   pearls in ribbon.

   I'am taste of water, sun's and moon's radiation, holy OM from all
   veda-books; I'am voice of the space, I'am men's bravery.

   I'am earth's sweet smell and fire's heat, life of all beings, self dicipline
   of ascetics.

   Know that I'am the basic seed of all beings. I'am wise's buddhi, brilliancy
   of celebrated.

   I'am strength of strong, which is not contaminated by lust and passion.
   I'am that love in every beings which is not against dharma.

   Know that purity, passion and lifeless are all from me. These conditions
   do not affect to me, but they are in me.

   Deceived by these three conditions whole this world does not know me,
   I who am above it and eternal.

   This divine illusion, which I bring about and which is based action on
   properties of nature , is difficult to win; but those who resort to me,
   wins this illusion."

  "Whole creation lives and moves under power of mistake, mislead by opposite
   pull - and push - forces."

  "Because I'am above all changeable and unchangeable, I'am known in general
   and acknowledged Highest Spirit in veda books."

  "I penerates whole this world in form of without manifestation; all beings
   are living in me, but I'am apart of them."

  "I send warm; I hold back rain and send rain; I'am immortality and death;
   I'am existing and also not existing."

  "Meditate that like to all around moving storm wind is binded to the space,
   likewise all beings are depended on me."

         (Indian wisdom, About God and nature, rough translation)



   I'am sorry to do that but I could not resisted.

   Please followups to: sci.philosophy.tech

         Hannu.