HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:27:51 GMT

In article <JMC.92Oct7144925@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
>I've got $50 that says the New Republic has or will endorse Clinton.
>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>

What's the point of this? Of course TNR backs Clinton, although I must say
that throughout the campaign they've published a whole series of articles
which have been sharply critical of Clinton's proposals on a range of
issues, including welfare reform, foreign policy, and economic policy
generally.

TNR may or may not be a 'liberal' magazine, but a) they're not going to
support Bush, and b) they apparently are going to hold the Democratic
candidate to a fairly high standard of seriousness.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.

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From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:19:50
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: stevef@bug.UUCP's message of 6 Oct 92 04:34:30 GMT

In article <1069@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:

> I find it astonishing that some of you still doubt that there is a
> liberal bias in the media.  Even members of the liberal media have
> noticed the bias towards Clinton; Gary Trudeau and the "New Republic"
> among others have commented on it.

I, however, find it astonishing that anyone doubts that there is a
conservative, pro-corporate bias in the press.  Not that this should
be surprising: the mass media are owned by big corporations and get
their money from advertisements bought by other big corporations.  Why
should we be surprised when big corporations act in ways that promote
their own self-interest?

P.S., the _New Republic_ is very definitely not part of the "liberal
media."  It was once a liberal magazine, but that was some years ago.
A few of its editors and regular writers are liberals, but there are
also some who are rather extreme right-wingers.  
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
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From: havemann_l@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:52:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Oct7.135145.7355@ils.nwu.edu>, hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER) writes:
> In article <1069@bug.UUCP>, stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
> 
> 
> You see Medi Bias in Time and yet the National Review is an unquestionable
> source of truth?

At least Nat Review uses actual, factual, indisputable statistics. Time relies 
on "self-evident truths" that don't bear close scrutiny.  If you'd like to 
check out the stats, buy an almanac.

> 
> Hint for thoue that never took a stats class;  when ever you read the
> bottpm 20% compared to the top 20% rather then a comparison of samller more
> meaningful groups be on the look out.

Fight fire with fire: the claims that the liberals make is that "the top 20%" 
got richer, "the bottom 20%" got poorer, ad nauseum barf.

-- 

 Paul Havemann, HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 
(guesting at the below address)
 Havemann_l@spcvxa.spc.edu      -      Havemann_l@spcvxa.bitnet

"Tell the WHOLE truth -- not just those parts that suit your ideology"
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Priorities (III)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 09:22:41 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct7.205056.1132@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.035937.14724@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
|> 
|> >The Decline of America: Priorities (III)
|> 
|>      These become more entertaining as the days go by...
|> 
|> >"In a Time/CNN poll 2 weeks ago, 3/4 of Americans said they favored an
|> >increase in the income tax rate of the wealthiest in America...
|> 
|>      It's amazing how people agree on taxing others than themselves.

Notice how these polls never seem to quantify the term 'wealthiest'.
If they do quantify, they usually use a percentage (the top 1%, top 5%,
etc.).  They might find a different answer if they used real dollar
amounts instead.

|> 
|> >Non Social Security domestic spending, as a percentage of GNP,
|> >declined during the Reagan years from 9.8% to 7.3%
|> 
|>      I wasn't aware this was, in and of itself, a bad thing.  Wouldn't
|> it be a *good* thing if the GNP increased faster than governmental
|> spending?
|>      I know the GNP went up a great deal during the "Reagan/Bush" years.

Real GNP went from approximately $3,000 bill. to $4,000 bill (in 1982 dollars)
from the period 1980 - 1990.  Using these figures, real spending on
non-social security (using the above percentages) dropped from $294 bill.
to $292 bill.  Hardly a great cut.  Remember this is in constant dollars,
so inflation has already been accounted for.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943         
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:12:40 GMT

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

>The right thing to do is certainly not to go to our ENEMY (remember, 
>we were in a cold war with the soviets at that point, and that they had 
>preformed a brutal crack-down in Czechoslovakia (sp) just a few months 
>before Clinton went there) and protest our country.  The right thing 
>may be to protest in our country.

WRONG ANSWER!!! Clinton did NOT take part in any protests IN RUSSIA.
ALL of the ANTI-VIETNAM WAR protests he took part in were in LONDON.
He did NOT take part in any ANTI-AMERICAN PROTESTS. Americans can speak
their mind about America in any country in the world. They may get arrested
in some, but they still have that right.

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.abortion
From: dennis@Lise.Unit.NO (Dennis G Landsem)
Subject: A hypothetical case: Assault or murder. (Was: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Followup-To: alt.activism.d, talk.abortion
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 02:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.005152.18738@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com writes:
 > <1992Oct2.042310.4735@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu writes:
 > >Someone here has said that rights only apply if a fetus is aware.
 > >
 > >Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't a pregnant woman feel the child
 > >moving about??  Does that not constitute awareness??
 > 
 > Trees move in the wind.  Bacon moves when it sizzles.  Fires moves as its
 > fuel is consumed.
 > 
 > 
 > Gordon
 > -- 
 > The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
 > of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
 > Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.

 [Lots of irrelevant newsgroups removed]

 In light of the discussion on what rights apply to a fetus I'd like you to 
consider the following scenario:

    A women is, lets say, 2 months pregnant. She has every intention of carrying
    the child to term. One evening as she is walking in the park, she is 
    assaulted by a robber. As a direct result of this (a kick in the stomach) she
    has a spontaneous abortion. 

 What I'd like you to answer is this; would you consider this an assault or would
you consider it to be murder ?

 As I understand Gordon and other pro-choicers they would consider this an
assault, as the fetus at this stage is merely a part of the mothers body. So this
would be on par with his f.x. biting of part of her ear or cutting of one of
her fingers.

 Pro-lifers on the other hand, I think would be most likely to consider it murder
(I must admit to subscribing to this opinion myself).

 If anyone knows what the law says about this, or even better, knows of actual
cases where this has been tried, please post.

Regards,

DGL
From: pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis)
Subject: Re: Why we shouldn't worry about man's production of CO2
Keywords: carbon dioxide
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:26:06 GMT

In article <1075@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.165105.2170@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
>pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
>|However, most people who study ecosystems will tell you that changes on
>|this scale *typically* (not uniformly, but typically) signal fairly drastic
>|changes in the way an ecosystem functions.
>
>Nonsense.  Carbon dioxide is a trace gas.  Large changes in its
>concentration might make little difference (as the evidence suggests).

Show me any component of a biological system that is trace in this
sense. Virtually every compound used by biological systems exists in a
state of dynamic equilibrium. The question is not if is "trace" in the
sense that you mean, but what the extent of geological and biological
buffering capacity is. And this, we don't know.

>[ ...]	       If it were as delicately balanced as some environmentalist
>suggest, any of several of the larger volcanic eruptions in history would
>have ended life on the planet.

More fool them.

-- paul
-- 
There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a
little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider
price only are this man's lawful prey.
						John Ruskin
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett)
Subject: Re: Statement by Governor Bill Clinton
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:47:38 GMT

In article <29288@life.ai.mit.edu> 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President) writes:
>
> For Immediate Release:                  
> October 13, 1992                                  
>                                               
>
>                Statement by Governor Bill Clinton

	debate is fine, but I'm getting really sick of this propaganda.
	would whoever is responsible for this STOP!
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,sci.energy,talk.environment
Subject: Re: NEWS: Nuclear Waste Delivered to British Minister of Environment
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:55:27 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1bnibqINN31s@agate.berkeley.edu>, Greenpeace via Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>GREENPEACE DELIVERS NUCLEAR WASTE TO MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT
>
>NOTE
>
>The sand, first brought to Germany, has been classified nuclear
>waste by the German authorities.

Still not the slightest indication of the degree of contamination.  Can't
anybody from Greenpeace count?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:07:09 GMT


I really enjoyed reading this--It was the finest example of science
fiction I have ever read!!!


Simon
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: A First in Presidential Campaigns: Paying for Good Spin
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:43:54 GMT


 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                        
 October 13, 1992                                    


                       YOU KNOW HE'S HURTING

       A First in Presidential Campaigns: Paying for Good Spin

     [Statement of Bob Boorstin, Deputy Communications Director]

      When it came to fanciful and bizarre campaign television ads, we
 thought we'd seen it all from the Bush campaign.

      But today's contribution adds new dimensions to the word
 desperate. You know you're really in trouble when you have to pay to
 try to convince people that you won a debate.

      Once he finishes paying for his spin, the ad turns back to what
 George Bush knows best: distorting Bill Clinton's plan.

      So at the risk of repeating ourselves -- and in contrast to what
 the citizens on the ad told the Bush cameras -- we repeat ourselves.

      Bill Clinton's plan will cut taxes on working families. The
 Clinton plan includes $60 billion over four years in middle class tax
 cuts and $12 billion in tax cuts for the working poor.

      Commenting on the Bush's campaign last ad to make such claims,
 The Wall Street Journal said, "...Mr. Clinton has proposed to cut
 taxes for the sort of [middle class] workers featured in the ad."
 [WSJ 10/2/92]

      George Bush and his admeisters can continue to talk about
 tax-and-spend. But that doesn't change the facts: the Clinton/Gore
 plan will cut $140 billion in federal spending, cut the deficit in
 half in four years, and give middle class families a tax cut of $300
 per child.

                             -- 30 --


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From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.environment,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why we shouldn't worry about man's production of CO2
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:08:50 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA

In article <1992Oct13.002606.6047@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
|In article <1075@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
|>In article <1992Oct5.165105.2170@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
|>pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
|>|However, most people who study ecosystems will tell you that changes on
|>|this scale *typically* (not uniformly, but typically) signal fairly drastic
|>|changes in the way an ecosystem functions.
|>
|>Nonsense.  Carbon dioxide is a trace gas.  Large changes in its
|>concentration might make little difference (as the evidence suggests).
|
|Show me any component of a biological system that is trace in this
|sense.

Copper, Boron, and Iron which are trace elements in the soil are a few
examples.  All three are necessary for most plants in small amounts, but
above a certain level their concentration can and does vary widely with no
effect.

|Virtually every compound used by biological systems exists in a
|state of dynamic equilibrium. The question is not if is "trace" in the
|sense that you mean, but what the extent of geological and biological
|buffering capacity is. And this, we don't know.

Perhaps, but I was responding to the comment above, that we likely face
drastic changes in our ecosystem because of the increase in carbon dioxide.
I see reason to doubt that.-- 
orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef         . . .  	        Deer are for Dinner
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: The Police-State
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:12:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: mdhc

In article <1992Oct7.205042.1013@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.160052.27640@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>> The Decline of America: The Police-State
>> 
>> 
>> ========================================
>> More than 1,000,000 in prison in US
>> ========================================
>> 
> [much deleted]
> 
> One thing these articles *completely* missed is that prisons
> in the US are often nicer places to be than the streets of
> many large cities around the world.

  Heck, the Terminal Island Correctional facility (where the local S&L looters
go) is nicer than most law abiding Aamericans _homes_!!!!!!!!!



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com  "Middle-aged Mutant Ninja Animator" |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  "The great masses of people. . .will more easily fall                 |
|  victims to a big lie than to a small one."                            |
|                                          --Adolph Hitler               |
|                                                                        |
|   "All men are potential rapists, and that's _all_ they are!"          |
|                                 -- Susan Brownmiller                   |
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: IRAQ-GATE (I)
Date: 10 Oct 92 08:02:03 CST
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Oct10.041549.22808@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> 
>     "Thanks to years of illegal U.S.  military aid, Iran had the edge.
>     Now, to balance the scales, the [Bush Administration] decided to
>     help Saddam... UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS
>     COULD HARDLY GO TO CONGRESS and admit that they wanted to build up
>     Iraq.  SO THEY CHOSE THE COVERT ROUTE, creating a $5 billion aid
>     program DISGUISED AS U.S. AGRICULTURAL CREDITS... The bank
>     selected was not American, but Italian: the Banca Nazionale del
>     Lavaro (BNL)
>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>     "Then fate tossed a monkey wrench into the operation.  On August 4,
>     1989, acting on tips from two BNL employees, FBI and Customs
>     agents stormed BNL's Atlanta offices.  They discovered that U.S.
>     loan guarantees were being used illegally [...]
>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>     "In October 1989, JUST WEEKS AFTER the BNL scandal threatened to
>     plug the money pipeline to Iraq, President Bush signed NATIONAL
>     SECURITY DIRECTIVE 26, directing all executive departments to
>     "improve and facilitate the U.S./ Iraq relationship."
> ==================================================================
> [From _Mother Jones_, July/August 1992 article by Stephen Pizzo, pp 20-22]
> Mother Jones // 1663 Mission St. // San Francisco, CA 94103
> Email: majones@igc.org (although they log in infrequently)
> ==================================================================

	[Text deleted]

	Does anyone know how much Kissinger, Scowcroft, and Eagleburger
made in this blood for money deal?

Joe Gaut
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Choice for life (was Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:34:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.083904.2015@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>You claim that I wouldn't get any dates here in San Antonio or anywhere
>else.
>
>For the record, my girlfriend and I have had a very serious relationship
>going for the past year.  So alot of dating has been going on.
>
>Now I guess you all would be shocked to think that I could actually care
>about someone, right.  I am real, not an AI program!!
>

Simon, cut this out NOW!!!!!
From:  (J Klein)
Subject: Re: High costs of college education
Followup-To: alt.activism.d,sci.econ,alt.censorship,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:08:49 GMT

> For me funding depends on the degree sought.  I have little trouble
> supporting someone who is getting a degree in science or engineering.  But
> I have a lot of trouble with most of the arts or humanities.  For the first
> you have a good chance of getting a job.  For the second, you run a big risk
> of flipping burgers anyway.

First, is the only purpose of education to filter people into careers (in
this case, those careers that you prefer)?
And, second, why are science careers suddenly the best careers?  Try
getting a job in astronomy. The world needs educated businessmen, leaders,
teachers, and writers, too.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: IRAQ-GATE (I)
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Oct10.080204.1440@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>
Date: 10 Oct 92 11:16:36

Joe Gaut is blinded by his leftist hatreds to the fact that a decisive
victory for either Iran or Iraq would have been bad for the world.
The Reagan and Bush Administrations successfully prevented that.
Of course, the Carter Administration contributed to the creation
of the problem by not opposing the Khomeini takeover.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: High costs of college education
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:31:59 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In <1992Oct12.013154.19893@yang.earlham.edu> allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:

>	My problem with funding anything farther than K-12 is that one can 
>get along perfectly well, including locating further education, with just 
>stuff packable into K-12. I tend to include in that: 1. basic literacy; 2. 
>basic history; 3. basic civics/political science; 4. basic science 
>(primarily the scientific method); 5. basic computer usage; 6. basic 
>library and other research usage; 7. basic mathematics. Beyond that, it's 
>frills that no-one should be forced (i.e., taxed) to pay for.

This is a good argument for the overall privatization of education.  Allen
tends to include a variety of things in his "basic" education package, but
they are all essentially value judgments as to what is "basic" and what are
"frills".  Given that, each individual should be free to decide between
basic and frills for himself - and no-one should be forced (i.e., taxed)
to pay for what he considers frills.

-- 
ben                                     fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
 "A tight bunch of bastards who want to win while loving each other,
  if they don't destroy their knees first, or start sleeping with 
  each other's girlfriends." - Rigler, about Indiana Ultimate
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