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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Motion.... Please Vote!!
From: 9122011j@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Henry Choo )
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:25:31 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <1992Nov16.012358.13656@latcs1.lat.oz.au> koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay) writes:
>	After reading Pak Othman's latest posting on his "deep" and "complete
>research on the qualifications of Dato' Anwar Ibrahim and the statement of
>"...ignorant Chinese...", I would like to urge all readers of this newsgroup
>to vote on this motion that:
>
>	"Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"
>
>	
Dear Mr Koay,
	nay, not a good idea at all, we need to have people like him
posting to this news group or where is the fun of reading this. At least
it is entertaining. There have been a few people who have suggested what
you have put forward before. I am afraid the response is similar to
mine. Let Encik Othman stay, after all he does contribute to good
articles ocassionally. I must say he does often speak his mind, at least
he is honest in that respect :)

cheers Henry

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,alt.culture.indonesia
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: E. Timor & Indonesia
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:02:40 GMT

In <m6z1y8+@rpi.edu> jorgej@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Joaquim Jorge) writes:

...
>Every dictatorial regime kills or imprisons its subjects in the name of
>stability, law and order. 

All countries in the world do that.

>The point is the East Timorese never had a say in
>whether they wanted to join Indonesia.

You miss one thing:

November 30, 1975
Four parties, except FRETILIN, issue their proclamation of independence
and simultaneous integration with the Republic of Indonesia.
Are you saying these four parties are not East Timorese ?

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hding@fraser.sfu.ca (Hui-San Ding)
Subject: Chartered Accountant
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:55:59 GMT

Help....I would like to know more about the Chartered Accountant of England, Scotland and Wales. If anyone has info on it, please let me know through this newsgroup.

Thanks


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ttan@lynx.coe.northeastern.edu (Charles Tan)
Subject: Re: thanksgiving
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:25:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.172410.6452@gw.wmich.edu> x92lim5@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>   Happy Thanksgiving to all users.

Menu suggestion for Thanksgiving and thereafter:

Thursday night - Roasted Turkey (nicely Browned and moist)
                 Stuffing (add apple slices and Italian/Chinese sausages)
                 Cranberry Sauce
                 Pecan-Pumpkin Pie
                 All excited...Chow time!

Friday breakfast - Oh! Shoot...so much leftovers. No problem.
                   Turkey and omelette.

Friday lunch - Why did those godamn guests eat so little??!
               Turkey sandwich, with lettuce and tomatoes.

Friday dinner - What?! Still more??
                Turkey and Brown gravy. Potatoes and peas.

Saturday breakfast - Half a turkey left...Oh! Well...
                     Turkey and toast.

Saturday lunch - Get Creative.
                 Sweet and Sour Turkey. Rice.

Saturday dinner - Only 2/3 gone??!! Grumble-grumble...
                  Turkey Porridge!! That should take care of it..

Sunday breakfast - Leftover Turkey porridge.

Sunday lunch - More leftover Turkey porridge.

Sunday dinner - 1/4 left!! Almost there...Beaming!!
                Black bean Stir-Fried Turkey. Rice...

Monday breakfast - Refrigerator-Dehydrated Turkey Slices and an apple.

Monday lunch - Stir-Fried Turkey Rice.

Monday dinner - Steamed Turkey (to moist it..hopefully!!)

Tuesday breakfast - No more turkey!! Yahoo!
                    
---------------------------------------------------- Finis --------------
                                                   Au Revoir..
                                                      CT
                                               Happy Thanksgiving!!
.END TURKEY MENU


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian????????
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:31:24 GMT

Mee Teng (mlt@gdwb.oz.au) wrote:
: Oh, really , 'En. O', ?  Isn't Malays in Singapore given FREE
: tertiary education ? And in Malaysia ? ??  YOU are a classic case
: of ' seeing a speck of dust in someone else eye, but Not a big
: tropical forest LOG in your own'.
The Malays in Malaysia are not given FREE education. My own cousin niece cannot
continue her STP(sixth form) because her parents cannot afford it.

	What do you expect from a racist, but thank you for making your 
opinions clear. At least we have a chance to defend.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh)
Subject: Re: Malaysia news, Oct, 3, 1992. =>N-Power Plant.
Organization: Faculty of Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:52:11 GMT

I would say it's good to have a Nuclear Plant in the sense that we would be 
able to carry out heaps of more advance scientific research work. As a 
developing, we need to study many things in order to advance further, 
especially in the engineering feild. Without the facilities, less research 
would be done and consequently slow progress would be resulted. Moreover, we
would have to rely very much on the nations which have the relevant facilities.
Then we would be under the "control" of others, our economy, our development,
our national progress etc. So, it's not entirely no good to have the plant 
being resorted.

However, the flourescent lights will work fine in our country, so does the idea
of building dams instead of other unsuitable power systems. We know that these
will do us no harm, as far as we know by now, why not make use of all these 
inventions. Aren't we clever enough to take advantage of these good products?

It has been very nice to hear suggestions from people, but not the 
insupportive criticisms. Nobody will welcome the pouring of cold water.


HP.
Here I am thinking for the solutions.....
From: x92lim5@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:46:56 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov23.003252.21723@nuscc.nus.sg>, art10004@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM LAY) writes:
> Tis the season to be jolly.....
> 
> Well folks, have a Good Holiday yourself!!!!!
> 
> ************************GOD BLESS YOU!!!***************************



Thanks for the greeting! Have a HAPPIER NEW YEAR, guys and gals!!!!

Stan Lim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: edy@andersen.com (Edy Liongosari)
Subject: Looking for a job in Singapore
Organization: Andersen Consulting
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:36:04 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for a job in Singapore. 
She is graduating Summer'93 with a Bachelor Degree in Business Finance.
Any information regarding recruiting effort both in the U.S. and
in Singapore is greatly appreciated.

Is there something like Singaporean Professional Assoc. which helps
people in getting a job in S'pore?

-Edy

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Edy S. Liongosari                                E-mail: edy@andersen.com
Center for Strategic Technology Research            Phone: (312) 507-8482
Andersen Consulting                                   Fax: (312) 507-3526
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh)
Subject: Re: Happy Christmas And Merry New YEAR !!!!
Organization: Faculty of Engineering
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:08:58 GMT

In article <16005@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>, s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Ming E Chew) writes:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Wishing you guys and gals a happy christmas and merry new year!!!!
> 
> Its never too early!!!
> 
> :)
> 
> ming
> 
> 

===============================

Pardon me, please.
Isn't it a special festival for Indians right before the X'mas falls?
I have forgotten the name of it. Show me. Wil you?
Have a nice day to all Malaysian fellows.


HP.
The holidays are "falling". Hoooray!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian????????
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 06:48:55 GMT

Heng Wei Osbert Tan (fellow@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: 
: I see, that is why we have SOOOOO MANY HAPPY CAMPERs from Malaysia on this
: net. You are such a liar.

Just because there are so many liars do not make it the TRUTH.

JUST because there are so many UNHAPPY MALAYS  in Singapore does not mean that
they are discriminated. After all, happiness is in the mind.
: 
: > dont say that the Malaysian government is biased, unfair, etc. Look here, if 
: > u chinese think that u r being discriminated against, then, what about the
: > Malays in Singapore!!??? At least in Malaysia there are Chinese n Indians in 
: > the cabinet.  Hasta Luego.
: > 
: 
: What about the Malays in Singapore ? Spit it out, if it's truth, it will 
: withstand ANY attack on this net. You will remain as a coward if you simply
: choose to spread rumors without backing them up with FACTs.

Same to everyone not just to Malays.
: 
: LKY practically had to "drag" Tony Tan, Goh Chok Tong et al.out from whereever
: they were to get them involve in politics, was it because they were 
: discriminated against therefore didn't want to get into politics too ? In
: LKY's own word, it is difficult to get ANYBODY interested in politics nowadays.

Traditionally overseas chinese do not like politics and be government servants.
It is surprising to see a police station full of Malays, of course they are
the lower ranks, which is also the case with Malaysia.

: Because WE (including ALL races) are happy at where we are, and to serve as
: a public servant (unlike in some other country) is not a FAT PAYING JOB !!!

Thanks for sharing us the success of Singapore. I hope the Malaysian 
chinese can understand what you're trying to say. 
	I LEARN A LOT IN SINGAPORE.
: 
: > Azli.
: 
: 
: Now that I have cleared some of your "doubts", do pay attention to what you
: have to say. They will come back and haunt you sometimes. 
--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: wlim@ai.mit.edu (William Y-P. Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: "Lovey" and Funny Pantun
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:36:57
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu

...and now for something completely different, let's see who can come
up with the best (categories:Love and Humor) pantun.  Let's start by
the following clasics (sorry about the typos and errors, it has been
many many tahun since I learned these).


Kalau roboh Kota Melaka
Batu dari Java saya dirikan
Kalau sungguh bagai dikata
Hati dan nyawa saya serahkan

(Translation: She/he said she/he loved, you reply: "If what you said
is true, I'll surrender my heart and life/soul to thee.")


Dua tiga kuching belari
Mana nak sama si-kuching belang
Dua tiga dapat-ku chari ????????????????????????????????????
Mana nak sama si-adik seorang

(Translation: Many many others I can find, but where can I find one like
you?)



Willie


		 (-: Malaysians do it all year round. :-)
				   
	     (-: Sir, it's Dan Quayle and not Damn Quayl! :-)
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 12:28:15 -0500 
From: Tee-Ming Ooi <to23+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TO YOU CHINESE..

Excerpts from mail: 15-Nov-92 Re: TO YOU CHINESE.. by YEW YAP@eng2.eng.monash. 
> After reading the above statement, I feel I must express my opinion about 
> Chinese racial superiority in Malaysia.How can you say that Chinese
are not > a superior race when compared to the Malays. May I remind you
that the 
> glorious Chinese civilization was already building gigantic castles and 
> cities thousands of years ago, when the "inferior" Malays and most of 
> the world's other races were still hunting around in the jungles. 

** Are you willing to just rest on the laurels of your ancestors?  I am
proud that I come from a rich heritage of enlightened art and science
but not all of Chinese civilization was glorious.  Consider the peasant
class under the tyranny of their feudal lords, would you exalt in the
revolting practices of bondage and unspeakable cruelty?

** What ultimately matters is here and now, and your own
accomplishments.  We do rely on the achievements of our forebears to be
where we are, but it is up to us to advance and reap the rewards of our
hard work.
  
> You should acknowledge the fact that we Chinese are racially superior
as we > were one of the first races to evolve culture and create an
empire. We lost > our edge later in history as some of our ancestors
became greedy,corrupted, > opium addicts, and they succumbed to forces
of foreigners. The Chinese 
> became obsessed with personal wealth, and this selfishness lead to the 
> present disunity among the Chinese people. I believe that the Chinese can 
> only regain their past glories when they realised that they are all of a 
> special race(wherever they are), and that they must unite, under a new 
> strong leader, to realise the destiny of our superior race.

What is the destiny of "our superior race"?  Conquer the world?  Rather
militant for an era full of possibilities for world peace-- this does
not bode well for peace-loving creatures.

>  
> I hope you see things from my point of view. 

I beg to differ from your point of view.

>  
> A Chinese,
> Alexander Yap. 

Tee-Ming Ooi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SGP: Both DPMs have lymph cancer!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:14:30 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: Radio Australia announced today (Nov. 16th, heard at 13:00 UTC) that
: BOTH Deputy Prime Ministers in Singapore have malignant lymphomas
: (spreading cancer of the lymph nodes). BG Lee is already reportely
: undergoing chemotherapy.
: 
: This should start some jockeying within the PAP for the DPM
: position(s).

Don't get too dramatic. Only BG Lee has intermediate lymph cancer. Even
that has a (specialist opinion) a cure probability of 90%. Also,
undergoing Chemotherapy does not necessarily incapacitate a person
(correct me if I'm wrong).

Even if their medical situation gets worse, the 2 DPMs should be able to
carry on working for some time.

jin meng
From: afs2@po.CWRU.Edu (Ahmad F. Shaarani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Somebody please get Othman Ahmad off the newsgroup!
Date: 15 Nov 1992 23:08:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: afs2@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I've been logging on to this newsgroup for almost a year. I can still
remember the time when the newsgroup was still not INFECTED by 
Mr. Othman Ahmad. Ahhhh, those were the good old days.

It amazes me how a graduate (I'm assuming here) student like him has
the time to write all the crap that he's been putting on the newsgroup.
I don't blame the people from the other ASEAN countries for wanting 
a separate newsgroup, one which does not have Othman Ahmad and his 
stale arguments. So do we Malaysians (most of us, anyway).

As for Othman Ahmad, I hope he reads this:
Encik Othman, what the Malays are doing to the other races is wrong.
Perhaps the definition for right and wrong differs greatly among 
individuals, and mine may be different from yours. I use the standard
based on the fact that we are all creatures and servants of the Almighty
and it is wrong for us to discrminate on the difference that HE alone
decided. 
The Chinese and the Indians (maybe not so much the older generation as
the younger one) are a loyal lot, only if you knew. Or perhaps you
chose not to see their loyalty. They do not deserve to be treated as second
-class citizens. It is morally wrong. Please do open your eyes to the
truth.
As a Muslim, I believe in justice. If one does something bad to someone,
even if the doer is Muslim and it is done to a non-Muslim, God Almighty
would see to it that the doer pays for his bad deed. In school, I was
taught that God would always take the side of the oppressed, and I truly 
that if we do not stop this injustice, grave consequences will befall the
Malays. We might gain materialistically, but what is that in the long run?

To all the Malays who support Othman's stand, I hope that you will open 
your eyes to the suffering of our fellow Malaysians, our neighbors, our
friends. We need them as much as they need us. We are different, but
do not let physcial differences separates us.
-- 
Ahmad Faisal Adham Shaazi        | 
Computer Engineering             | 
Case Western Reserve University  | 
Cleveland Ohio USA               |
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: who's right & who's wrong arguments [was Re: racial harmony- Yasmin]
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:55:04 GMT

nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin) writes:

[ lots of SELF-ego, SELF....... STUFF deleted ]


>Yes, Islam is superior than others (for me) because it is my religion.

Come on, what sort of argument is this ? Does it need a self-claimed
PHD's student to come up with that sort of answer ? Tell us some 
thing more concrete rather than just 'Islam is superior because
it is my religion'. 
Q1. Is it because Islam allows polygamy therefore it is superior ?
    over women at least ? 
Q2. Worth more than women ?



>Of course, I will always feel Islam is the most righteous religion.
>If I think Islam can offer something good to Malaysia, I will try to
>propose it, or at least introduce it.  But, what did I and many other
>muslims get when we mentioned the word "Islam" in the newsgroup? You
>people asked us to get lost or go to other newsgroup.  Where is the
>discussion?  How did u conclude Islam is not feasible for Malaysia
>(we haven`t discussed about it yet)?  Now, tell me who is intolerance?  
>Ignorance? Stoopid?


I am ready to listen, please.

[lots of other similar stuff deleted]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Motion.... Please Vote!!
From: 9122011j@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Henry Choo )
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:31:52 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <3401@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>9122011j@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Henry Choo ) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov16.012358.13656@latcs1.lat.oz.au> koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay) writes:
>>>	After reading Pak Othman's latest posting on his "deep" and "complete
>>>research on the qualifications of Dato' Anwar Ibrahim and the statement of
>>>"...ignorant Chinese...", I would like to urge all readers of this newsgroup
>>>to vote on this motion that:
>>>
>>>	"Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"
>>>
>>>	
>>Dear Mr Koay,
>>	nay, not a good idea at all, we need to have people like him
>>posting to this news group or where is the fun of reading this. At least
>
> A person's nonsense & follies to some may not be fun though.
>
>>it is entertaining. There have been a few people who have suggested what
>>you have put forward before. I am afraid the response is similar to
>>mine. Let Encik Othman stay, after all he does contribute to good
>>articles ocassionally. I must say he does often speak his mind, at least
>>he is honest in that respect :)
>       ^^^^^^
>
>       HONEST ? Ha.....ha....ha...ha.......ha..... Got to be
>       the biggest joke of the century !
>
>       A person who has serious mental problems ( unstable, irrational
>       , at times insane, etc.. ) combined with his deep hatred for
>       Chinese & non-muslims in general, HONESTY is certainly the
>       last word in a dictionary to describe him. When a person is
>       talking nonsense, can you say that he talks honestly ?
>
>
>"En. Othman can fool some people some of the time,
>but not all the people all the time." 
  
Wait a minute, I don't mean he speaks truths, I just mean he speaks his
mind, and is honest about his Personal VIEWS no mater how tasteful or
distasteful. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,alt.culture.indonesia
From: gordo@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Gordon Yuen)
Subject: SIA address?
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:57:35 GMT

	Hi all! Does anybody out there know the mailing address of the
Singapore International Airlines (SIA) in Singapore? I need the postal
adress, not the email address.
	Thanks in advance!

	Merry Christmas and Happy New Year... ;)
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia, Main China and India
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:17:56 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


No flames here please.  This is for pure discussion in social,
cultured manner... as the newsgroup title says.
 

In article <Bxzn1v.KqC@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jhardono@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jumahadi is my first name) writes:
|> Netters,
|>      I would like to give you some facts about my research here.
|>         India and China are among the the asian countries have the
|>      largest number of muslim population. The number of population
|>      are bigger than Malay Muslims in Malaysia. 

Not surprised.  After all China & India has 1/3 (more more??) of the
world's population. A small percentage in these countries' population
would outnumber the whole of Malaysia's population put together.
 
|>      According to world history, these countries accept Islam
|>      earlier than Malaysia and Indonesia.

Not surprised again.  Islam spreads to North India and Eastern China
(the silk route) long before traders found their way to SEA. Go to
these regions and you'll find their folk songs and the Malay/Indonesia
folk songs have very similar tunes.
 
|>      Based on my interviews with some student from Main China
|>      many of their friends even in their villages, almost 50 %
|>      are muslims. [...more details briefed out]

Indirectly related to what you say...I was surprised to find out
recently that the Communist regime had made a few revolutionary
changes in a matter of 1-2 generations.  These were a couple points
that I noted:
 
 1) Equality of sexes seems to even beat the Western civilization.
    E.g. it is the norm to have 100% equal share of housework between
    spouses.  On reflection, women liberization in China was one of
    Mao's great achievements.
 
 2) Traditional Chinese religion are almost non-existent.  The gap
    had been filled primarily by Christianity and Islam.

It makes me wonder if the Chinese in Malaysia/Singapore or now more
Chinese in tradition and culture  than the Chinese in China.

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