From: 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Greece had only 17.5 years of democracy(& freedom)                 
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:29:02 GMT

In article <9211052044@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <Bx8qsD.ICp@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos) writes:
>
>|> Furthermore, the evolution of democracy leads one to believe that
>|> the cradle of democracy is really in England, rather than in Greece.
>|> The Greek version of 'democracy' was purely an accident. It was a 
>|> product of the love of fallacy and a passion for sophistry of the 
>|> ancient Greeks. No mechanism or method to make it worth was set 
>|> forth, save a loose oratory. On the other hand, the British adapted 
>|> the concept, developed it, turned it into a reality from a mere 
>|> fantasy, and made it work. Had democracy really been an inherent 
>|> virtue of Greeks would it have dragged its feet for so long to come 
>|> to Greece? Even today, democracy is just so much as a catchword among 
>|> the tourism slogans of Greece - not much substance and a lot of aura.
>|> 
>|> Serdar Argic
>
>> Again- YOU better don 't use words like "democracy", 'cause there has 
>>never been some in Turkey! (Waiting for some answers..)
>
>You "paliks" make me laugh. The so-called 'cradle of democracy' Greece 
>had only 17.5 years of democracy in its entire history. Before 1974 
>Greece was ruled either by military dictators or monarchs. Greece
>adopted democracy in 1974 when the ruling military junta fell as a 
>result of Turkish intervention in Cyprus. In contrast Turkiye, three 
>short termed military interventions withstanding, had multi-party 
>democracy since 1950, for 32 years.
>
>And the Greek-PKK collaboration is revealed in a report published
>on December 29, 1989 in Eleftheria Dis Gnomis, a Greek Cypriot
>newspaper. The paper admitted that 
>              
> 'two of the terrorists killed in PKK raids to Southeastern
>  Turkiye were Greeks.'
>
>Serdar Argic
>
>                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
>
>
Let's see,first there was Rome,the Romans ruled like the savages they were,this
empire (in the East)then evolved into the Byzantine Empire (not run completely
by Greeks if my memory serves my correctly)this Empire gradually decayed when
Greece was used as a stepping stone for crusaders and other unwelcome invaders.
Then in 1453 Greece suffered at the hands of the ottoman turks for 400-500(in
various areas)years,also putting up with others like the Venetians simultaneously.
Greece gradually became independant but then were given a diktat in the form of a 
monarchy,remember the Greek revolution was a great threat to the forces of
Metternichism,Greece rocked the boat.I must add that GREECE AND BELGIUM ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POLITICAL RENAISANCE OF EUROPE,IE THEY DISTURBED THE "BALANCE
OF POWER IN EUROPE" BY REVOLTING AGAINST THEIR OPRESSIVE OVERLORDS.BUT the   
conservatives eventually won OVER Greece by making the first "King of Hellenes"
Bavarian(a relative of Fallmerayer perhaps).If my memory serves my correctly
no "King of Hellenes"has ever actually been a Hellene........................
This lasted until 1974(officially).
Argic,your arguments will never be 'tainted' by common sense!
Greeks have only had control over Greece for 17.5 years out of the last 2 millenia!
This being so the Greeks have a better record than their Eastern neighbour(and these
people have been under their own control from the year dot.

Argic don't brag about your weaknesses,it makes you look absolutely stupid!!
          DHMHTRH


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