HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:31:35 CDT

In article <BvAtoo.Jr0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>I was wondering what is the position of Mujaahedin
>with regard to the 3 Iranian islands now being claimed
>by different Arab states?  Usually our resident MKO supporters
>are very quick in declaring their positions on national and international
>issues, whoever, I have not heard anything regarding this issue.
>
I think it is a difficult question... Well, maybe not!

I believe we should wait for the response before making any
comments on several probabilities. Speculation should be the
last option.

regards,
-sy-
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:17:58 EDT
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject:    The plan

                       THE  PLAN

           In the beginning was the plan.
           And then came the assumptions,
         And the assumptions were without form.
       And the plan was completely without substance.
     And the darkness was upon the face of the workers.
            And they spoke amongst themselves,
                         saying:
            "It's a crock of shit and it stinketh"
     And the workers went unto their supervisors and sayeth:
    "It'a a pail of dunk and none can abide the oder thereof"
        And the supervisors went unto their managers,
                   and sayeth unto them:
        "it's a container of excrement, and it's very strong,
               such that noone can abide it"
        And the managers went unto the directors and sayeth:
   "It's a vessel of fertilizer, and noone can abide its strength."
   And the directors spoke amongst theselves, saying to one another
   "It contains that which helps plant growth, and it is very strong"
   And the directors went unto the vice presidents, and sayeth to them:
          "It promotes growth, and it's very powerful."
          And vice presidents went unto the president,
                   and sayeth unto him:

      The new plant will actively promote the growth and efficiency
           of the company, and certain areas in particular.
      And the president looked upon the plan and saw that it was good
                 And the plan became policy.
               And this is how shit happens.

Reza
From: massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Hazrateh Zainab as an experimental feezeezeest
Keywords: Z = 666 ( Zainab's constant )
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:03:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University

In article <5OCT199216135150@reg.triumf.ca> mahin@reg.triumf.ca  writes:
>From: mahin@reg.triumf.ca 
>Subject: Hazrateh Zainab as an experimental feezeezeest 
>Keywords:  Z = 666 ( Zainab's constant )
>Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:13:00 GMT
>
>>Let me conclude by asking 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'
>>                                     ^^^^
>
>Let's ask Seyyed.  He knows EVERYTHING. Hey, Seyyed,... 
>                                                   [ (c) Life cereal ]
>
>and here's a fun experiment for Seyyed joon exclusively.  Put a cup of
>water in the microwave for a few minutes, open the door and drop a grain of
>sugar in it. *vicious laugh* Then read your Koran and try to explain the
>results.  Btw, have a first aid kit handy.:-)
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Hazrateh Zainab                                                                                                                             
>
>
>>Same regards,
>>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>>bavafa@netcom.com
>>(415) 322-8056
>> 
>
>
>> 
>> 
Mahin khanoom;

It seems you took the jokes too far, I believe you are getting to the point 
of insulting peoples believes, and, first those are not my believe that I am 
defending, second, you are in the position far away to be respected.

I wish you were prety that you could find yourself a boyfriend, then you 
would be busy doing somthing constructive!

Remember in the article"Oh my god, it is you...?" what I said was:
"I want you to breath in people who have lost their will to live, give them 
a new challenge,let them stand up and glorify you".

What I meant needs few substitutions;
breath in = blow in (it is a job);
[it is for the ones who have LOST];
stand up = rise up;
and allow them to glorify you, heck you may deserve a mercy f%#@.

To all SCI members , my appologies in advanced, the above is not my style of 
writing, but it seems her leash is loose.

Peace and Prosperity!
  ---==< 110 >==---
From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Who should we leave alone???
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:38:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA

Dear Fellow Netters:

I received the following response to my post about Hijab:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: 01 Oct 1992 16:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
>From: STX1300@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>Subject: Re: Hijab: Leave the women ALONE!!
>
>(stuff deleted..)
>>It is NOT the only religion, or the only way of life, and you MUST be
>>considerate of this.  So I say, LEAVE THE WOMEN ALONE!!  Get your 
>>egos out of their face, they are human beings too.  If you have 
>>difficulty with your biological urges, CONTROL them, and don't force 
>(stuff deleted..)
>>
>>If you want to be Muslim, fine, I respect that.  But don't impose it on
>>anyone else.  And don't just sit there saying it is ok to force women
>>to wear a particular kind of dress and treat those who don't wear this
>>dress as prostitutes.  The men who act like this have absolutely no
>>honor, and frankly I think the dog that you referred to earlier has 
>>much more humanity in it than these men will ever have.
>>
>>Agha Javad
>
>///////
>And who are you to tell us what to do, or how to treat our women ???
>did any muslim force you to do something you don't want to do ???
>why don't you then mind your business and LEAVE MUSLIMS ALONE ????
>\\\\\\\
>JRO.
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good answer, don't you think?  What exactly does JRO mean by "our women"?
Are they his "property"? I don't know where JRO is from, if he is from Iran,
then they are "my" women too!  And if he isn't, then they are "mine" more so 
than "his".  Of course, neither of the above is the case, the truth is,
they are "their own". 

Of course, my intention was not to tell muslims what to believe and practice, 
but only to state that ENFORCING the Islamic dress on the entire population, 
including those who are unwilling, is unfair.  As I mentioned, I respect 
anyone's religious belief, but I am against the imposition of those beliefs on 
others by the use of force.  This is what happens everyday in the Islamic 
Republic of Iran. It was this practice that we were debating at the time, 
and my post was in response to this discussion.

Of course, the above answer only goes to show how any human being, including
muslims, can get quite pissed off even if he/she just FEELS imposed upon
by somebody else.  If anybody feels imposed upon by my post, my apologies,
since that was not my intention.  In fact, it was quite the opposite.

And by the way, yes, a lot of muslims in my home country forced me to do things
I didn't want to do.  Do you think they should leave me alone?


may only the freshest dairy products come your way,

Agha Javad
(Berenj-e-Rashti fardA meeresad!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: "I don't think, therefore matter does not exist"
Distribution: world 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:36:16 GMT

In article <BvL5KH.Irr@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>Howdi HooshyAr khAn,

Hi, Keivan jAn,

>In article <1992Oct2.074929.22946@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>'kheyli khoob!'  So it seems matter was just there.  Simply because we
>>defined bunch of properties to characterize it or its behaviour does not
>>prove the existence of matter.  Am I right in this statement?
>
>You sure are. But maybe we were pretty sure that it existed before
>waisting our time defining such quantities :-)
>
>>>So, are you going to make your final statement?
>>>We are waiting!
>>
>>I would say the statement is 'the human's ability to measure certain
>>properties of the matter cannot necesarrily be taken as the _proof_ that
>>matter exists.'  What do you say?
>>
>>Let me conclude by asking 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'
>
>Fine, then first tell me how do you DEFINE matter? (and no, I don't
>know what you mean! :-)

I lost you!  Do we need to define it before we can know it?  I myself
don't know how to define matter.  I just want to know now that - with your
blessing above - the properties of matter are not the reason why we humans
believe matter exists, then how do we know it exists.

To me the properties of matter were like pointers.

You see I lost my pointers to matter when we concluded that these properties
are not the reason.  I am trying to look for _something_ else to show me
that matter exists.

bebinam, nakoneh existence of matter ought to be viewed as that of God!  That
is, we just believe it, then by defining its attributes and applying them in
our lives we will establish that it exists.

Please, I am only raising this as a similarity.  This is NOT a statement.

>One possible proof along the line of Descartes' would go as follows:
>"I think, therefore matter exists" 
>For the sake of saving bandwidth, I deleted the whole "chain", you
>only got the beginning and the end :-)

But, you just said it all.  Descartes statement seems to agree with what I
said just one line earlier.  "I think, therefore, God exists."

It seems to me if I did not think, matter wouldn't exist.  The existence of
matter is _within_ me.  So if humans did not exist, there wouldn't be a
matter.  As a matter of fact there wouldn't be a discussion of matter.

Could matter be just an 'image in us' as much as was suggested here at one
time that God was an image we had drawn in our minds?


Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055

PS.  I hope it is understood that this is still a sci-general-purpose line
of discussion, and that it is not between me and K1.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8470 soc.culture.german:6921
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Family names of women
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.132604.3224@philabs.philips.com>, mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi) writes...
> 
>Salam
> 
>I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
>whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
>family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
>that of their husbands.
> 
>Rooz Khoosh
> 
>Mehran
> 
>-- 
> 
>Mehran Moshfeghi 	uunet!philabs!mmm       mmm@philabs.philips.com  
>Image Processing Group	Philips Laboratories 	345 Scarborough Rd     
>Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510			Phone #: +1 914 945 6323

Dear Mehran;
The women in Iran keep thier maiden name after been maried, and they don't
change thier last name to thier husband last name.

Sincerely yours;

Ali Eslami
 ***************************************************************         
 *  What we call the ills of life is due to our own ill-deeds  *
 *  And many of them are forgiven by god. This life is a stage *
 *  of convenience; Live true and resist all wrong, but learn  *
 *  the best way to do it so. On god rely; else no protector   *
 *  will you find. God revelation comes as a guide and mercy:  *
 *  It shows the straight way the way of god all-wise.         *
 *************************************************************** 

Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Will Mr. Zafar ever bother himself....?
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:00:30 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Sep28.033220.24124@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com>, ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:
> In article <Bv19Hy.GAz@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes...
>>In article <Bv0L92.86s@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>>>well like i said, i don't know the iranian way of doing things, well, it's
>>>not completely that way there is a lot of persian influence on pakistani
>>>culture, but that is besides the point (ahem).
>>
>>Zafar,
>>
>>If you don't know about our culture, I ( and I know many others on this net )
>>would appreciate to see no more of your opinions on OUR culture. Just
>>because **Unfortunately** Iran happens to be an Islamic country does not
>>mean that you or any other muslim , e.g. Arabs , have the right to post
>>your misinformative-noidea-way-out-of-truth-and-reality opinions on Iran
>>and Iranian.
>>
>>Have a good life.
>>Ramin
>>
>>***********************************************************
>>* "God Come down , If you are really there. Well, You're  *
>>*  the one who claims to care ....   "   The Mozzerman    *
>>***********************************************************
> 
> Dear Ramin;
> I think Zafar knows more about our culture than most of our own Iranian
> people. We just don't like the guy because he is muslim. I'm glad you
> were a little fair and didn't accuse him of being Hezbolahi or Akhone.
> **Fortunately** Iran is an Islamic country and any muslim has the
> right to express their opinion about it.
> 
> 
> Sincerely yours
> 
> Ali Eslami


The reason Zafar was not termed Hezbollahi by the opponents of 
islam was the third class abusive language used by him against 
the late leader of Islamic revolution.  I never saw even a staunch
enemy of Islamic revolution falling so low. Would ever Mr. Zafar
bother himself to justify his bad language from Koran and teachings 
of Prophet, which he shows himself to be champion of.  He had full
right to disagree with the late Imam (r.a), but he committed an
unforgivable crime (from islamic point of view) by hurling abuses
upon a person who was the leader of millions of Muslims and was not
alive.

Asad.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8344 soc.rights.human:3705 soc.culture.arabic:3941
From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: UNHRC condemns the Khomeini regime AGAIN--Victory for the Resistance
Keywords: Yet another victory for the Resistance
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:34:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp., Hopkinton Mass.

-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Professor HesAbi is dead
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:05:39 GMT
	<7=!p3sk.bavafa@netcom.com>
	<1992Sep26.222114.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>
	<amoojoon.145@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh>
Organization: none



Professor HesAbi, the most famous Iranian physicist and the only
Iranian student of Einstein is dead. He was the founder of Tehran
University and the Atomic Energy center of Iran among other
institutions. He lived in and served Iran after completing his
studies. PaymAn once posted an informative article about Professor
HesAbi. I think this is a good occasion to re-post it (or perhaps
you have a more recent one).
         
 - Farzin
                      
            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: veeduh@leland.stanford.edu (Vida Tigrani)
Subject: Ancient Farsi script
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 05:09:20 GMT

A while back, someone posted asking what type of writing system ancient 
Iranians used before using Arabic script.  I've been wondering about that
myself for some time, and I confirmed that the writing of Darius was in a 
form of Cuneiform which uses wedge-shaped signs.  I read this in a book by
Cyrus Gordon called "Forgotten Scripts."  It has information about how they
deciphered Old Persian as well as hieroglyphics in Egypt and other stuff.  It's
pretty interesting and it's at the Palo Alto public library if you're 
interested.
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mahin decides not to shut up
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:40:28 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep26.175214.838@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>
>Laugh Mahin, laugh ...
>Surely you are not so smart to imagine how much trouble you are making for
>yourself.
>Seyyed.

Why is it that when muslims can not convince someone, they grab the
weapon of threatening. And all of a sudden, comes out all different things
that can happen to non-believers.

	i)You will turn to a frog or stone if you don't believe..
       ii)You will burn in hell to ashes and then they burn your ash 
	   again.
      iii)You will be stoned by true believers, and they sure will enjoy
	it.
       iv) or better yet , we just come to your house and put a bullet in
        your non-believing brain.

and the list goes on .....

Professor Ramin.
PhD. from Seyyed University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: physics
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:33:50 GMT

In article <massoud.120.717782103@chemteca.sdsu.edu> massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) writes:
>>
>>Water boils at temperature of 100 degrees C (or 212 degrees F).  Can we
>>prove it?  If yes, how?
>>
>Whenever water boils is called 100 degree C, not the other way around. The 
>degree C is an arbitrary selection of unit.

Understood.  It's a convention, right?  So am I correct to say we cannot 
measure temperature directly?  We can only measure the effect of the 
temperature - or more accurately the effect of heat - on a substance.  We
could use another liquid besides water, but in either case we need a medium
to operate on.  So could we discuss about temperature without even referring
to matter?

Now temperature is considered a property of matter.  If we cannot prove
temperature without matter (remember this is not a _claim_, I am only raising
the question), then how can we be sure that matter itself exists?  but, we
KNOW that matter exists, right?

It seems to me that from the effect of a property of the matter on matter
itself we conclude or learn that matter exists.  It's a conclusion without
actually proving that or showing that matter existed.  Is this line of 
reasoning making sense?  Again, I am raising a question.  I have not made
any declarations or statements, at least not yet.  :-)

>>Perhaps I should have asked can we prove the concept of 
>temperature as an absolute property of matter?
>>
>If you look at temperature as an energy (which is), then every thing falls
>in its place.

I lost you here.  I thought temperature measures the _degree_ of heat, or as
I said above it measures the effect of heat on a substance.  Can you elaborate
a little more as how things fall in their places?  Obvisouly I am the one who
did not understand you here.

>You want challenge? Time is two dimentional!!

This is another challenge.  I would be curious to hear about the two 
dimensionality of time.  What the hell [(c) Zafar Minhas, 92] are you
talking about?

>Peace and Prosperity!
>  ---==< 110 >==---

Peace 'khodeti!'  Read as same to you. :-)

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: real discussion...
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:44:11 GMT

In article <BvFBKo.BJr@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin
S.) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.162646.14109@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU
(Brad Hernlem) writes:
> 
> >Consider the elimination of limits on foreign ownership of Iranian
businesses,
> >for example.
> 
> Of course this is a positive step. How dare we ignore such big step. The
> only problem is: Who is this positive step taken for? Our poeple ?
> or the Majority of the Iranian business that are owned by Mr. Rafsinjani
> and his gang ??
> 
> So before aplauding them for doing a great job, let's examine who they did
> it for?
> 
> Ramin

Mind you, that was my point. Rafsanjani does not even get any
recognition from the people outside of Iran who benefit from these
steps. You see, it does not matter what the present regime does or how
much it kisses the feet of the West it will not get any recognition, at
least not from the U.S. media. Rafsanjani is in a difficult position
because he loses no matter what choices he makes and the Iranian people
lose with him. 

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: me12@prism.gatech.EDU (Reza Ebrahimpour)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Name Error.
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:28:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In the previous posting the file header was mixed up. The correct name 
of the sender is Reza Ebrahimpour.

I apologize for the error.

Reza Ebrahimpour.

-- 
EBRAHIMPOUR,MOHAMMAD REZA
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt2199a
Internet: gt2199a@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: A short comment, and I got to go for now.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:53:11 GMT

In article <28600018@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi) writes:

>>                                        ...  Indeed, if I publish "a book"
>>writing racist arguments in it, I will be prosecuted in the US. (Or maybe
>> ...
>>Seyyed.
>
>You might cause a lot of controversy, but you won't be prosecuted.
> ...
>Agha Javad

A few months ago, someone posted a short racist statement in
soc.culture.iranian . I don't remember the exact words, but it was
something like: "all you Iranians must die" (well, apparently someone else
abused his account without his consent). He didn't "physically harm"
anyone. From the style of his statement, it was quite clear that he is just
enjoying himself and no Iranian will ever be in danger because of him.
But he wasn't just "answered". Some of you "open minded Iranians"
complained to his system administrator. The poor guy received accademic
charges for destroying the integrity of the school as well as federal charges 
for racism. Later he "begged" for mercy and sweared that it wasn't him and 
someone broke into his account. I don't know what finally happened, but
it's obvious that if he didn't provide enough evidence that it wasn't
him who posted that, he was "severely punished".

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: real discussion...
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:41:11 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep30.162646.14109@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

>Consider the elimination of limits on foreign ownership of Iranian businesses,
>for example.

Of course this is a positive step. How dare we ignore such big step. The
only problem is: Who is this positive step taken for? Our poeple ?
or the Majority of the Iranian business that are owned by Mr. Rafsinjani
and his gang ??

So before aplauding them for doing a great job, let's examine who they did
it for?

Ramin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.arabic,alt.sex,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.pakistan