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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 11:11:00 MST
From: <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: cute 2yr joke
 <1992Dec16.180848.4360@pencom.com>

Yeah . . and *this* reminded me of our vacation trip this past summer, some
of which we spent at Knott's Berry Farm in S. Cal.  We couldn't find Snoopy
hanging around anywhere, as we did the year before at Camp Snoopy (the younger
children's area of the park).  Jamie kept asking, "Where Snoopy?" and we kept
saying we didn't know; we were still looking for him.  This got a bit old, so
I suggested we go on an official hunt for him, and start tracking him down.
I told Jamie that we had to follow the trail that would lead to Snoopy . . . so
we just had to find the ***Snoopy Poopy*** and go from there. :-)

But we never did find him that day.  Must have been his day off. :-)  :-)

--Jamie's Mommy (Karen Davis)
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: it's happened again, or why mom's hair is turning gray
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:27:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Dec11.192731.20122
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL

In article <11DEC199213025674@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov>, goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
> Well, here it is two weeks until Christmas, and it has happened
> again. My daughter wants fake spiders from santa. Yeah, right,
> they're easy to find this time of year (not!). My son, yesterday,
> asked for a teddy bear ring. I had no idea what that was, until
:
:
> Anyway, I guess I am not looking so much for advice
> as commiseration. Does this happen to anyone else?
>                         Patti Twigg

Yes, this has happened to me every Christamas.   Remember one year 
going bonkers looking for a Tractor.

We now prepare in advance by saying Sanat knows best what you
like, Santa won't bring you many of the things you ask for, but you
will like what Santa brings you.

And sure enough, Santa doesn't bring all those heavily-advertized toys
my son craves, but my son is delighted with the suprises that Santa
does bring him (and Santa is alwyas stunned to find how delighted he is
with the cheap suprise toys, like the $1.50 pirate sword that was the highlight
of last Christmas)

-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: how to take baby out in snow without a car?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:47:50


I never drive cars, but Will and I get around just fine with a bicycle
and trailer.  OK, it doesn't snow where we live, but as a matter of
fact, I have bicycled in the snow and ice and it's a lot of fun.  You
use a mountain bike, of course.

But a better idea for Boston, which doesn't usually get huge drifts of
snow, would be a jogging stroller.  The big wheels would be fairly
easy to push through the snow.

-- Anne
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Braxton-Hicks contractions
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:19:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Hi all.
 
I've been having the B-H contractions this time now for 11 days.
Since 18 wks + 2 days.  When I was pregnant with Melissa, they
started around 19-20 weeks.  I always hear (as Allen Warren did
in a post today) people saying something about B-H contractions
in "late pregnancy".  I don't think 18 weeks is "late pregnancy",
so I'm just wondering when they started for the rest of you out
there who experienced them.  I'm just curious.  They are so
uncomfortable, and I was really hoping this time to either skip
them completely or wait until later.  I actually felt them start
5 days before I felt the baby move!  (Felt them earlier last time
too, come to think of it.)
 
Just wondering. (Looking for commiseration, I suppose. :))
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Yet another toilet training question
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:25:14 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <TIGGER.92Dec7133537@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
> and I'll add as a person whose daughter did toilet train early (in
> panties at 21 months) and who has a friend who's 3 out of 4 kids
> toilet trained by about the age of 2.

> 
> Young toileting kids need reminders, especially when not at home.
> Now, this might be hard at school, perhaps they won't be willing to do
> this. But we just incorporated going potty with many activity changes
> - before we'd go out, before I'd give her more juice (when she'd just
> downed 8 oz a little while back), before meals, after meals, etc. I
> had my daughter with me almost all of the time, so it was easy to
> support her in learning success - emphasising that she needed to
> interrupt her play for a moment when she needed to go, and that her
> body is always making pee. While she was training at such a young age,
> I kept her in diapers until she kept herself dry for a whole weekend,
> with *no* reminders. But once we committed to panties, I took a more
> active role in reminding her, especially in those situations when
> we'd had accidents.


Actually, it doesn't sound to me like your daughter was getting trained AT ALL,
just that *mom* was trained to be super diligent about making sure waste went
into the toilet instead of a diaper.  That always strikes me with people who
say that their children were "toilet-trained" so early (>2 YO in this case). 
The child is certainly nowhere near a concept of self-responsibility as far as
knowing when s/he needs to go, getting clothes off (and back on), and using the
toilet.  The logic seems to be that when a very young child indicates that they
are interested in using the potty, presto, they are ready to be trained and
whatever ends up in a net decrease of diapers is therefore toilet-trained.
               
Ann Helmers
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:27:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec14.214338.2406@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>>> Westernized.  So did the American fathers (in the 60's) changed
>>> diapers or is this a new phenomenon? ;-)  Maybe it's related to the
>>> fact that most mothers work also now?
>>> 
>>> 
>>Actually, I suspect this "phenomenom" is mostly due to the
>>advent of disposable diapers and baby wipes, which makes
>>changing a baby pretty easy and hard to do badly, even for
>>the most diaper-impaired.
>>[...]
>
>I don't know, I think the best test is whether or not the you need to determine
>if the father is "enlightened", or whether or not the role is just matter-of-
>fact with no special significance attached.  
[...]
>At least in the circle that I run with, it seems to be the two-working parent
>syndrome which has redefined the father's role.  
[...]
>and I certainly haven't heard of one spouse referring to 
>what the other spouse was doing as "helping" with the child.
>
>I'd be interested to hear if families with a stay-at-home parent feel that
>the working parent is more "enlightened" today, etc.
>
I'm a stay-at-home mom, and I certainly think that my employed-for-wages
spouse :-) is more enlightened today.  He does not believe that 
childrearing is my job exclusively.  For the 8 hours or so that my
husband is away from home during the week, my job is childrearing.  In
the evening and early morning, the job is split between us.  There
is *no way* I would put up with a spouse who thought he was "helping"
with the child.  Similarly, my husband would not appreciate being
relegated to a lesser parental role simply because he works outside
the home.  This does not mean that we didn't have some transitional 
problems at first.  We have evolved into our current system, which is 
fair to all of us.  However, I have acquaintances in my playgroup
who adhere to the more traditional gender roles of the '50s, though
*none* of the women are particularly happy with the division of labor
in these families.  They look upon my husband as some sort of saint!

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Violence.  Does type matter?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:56:04 GMT

I caught part of Willow on Fox the other night and it caused me to
wonder about the violence in a "fairy tale" movie and whether the
"type" of violence changed how it affects kids.

Movies (stories) like Willow, the Princess Bride, etc., "swords and
sorcery" stories, tend to feature sword fighting, wrestling, fist
fights and other forms of (often archaic) hand-to-hand,
don't-fire-til-you-see-the-whites-of-their-eyes violence.  As an
adult, this SEEMS very different from the anonymous,
shoot-up-everything violence in Terminator, Die Hard, etc.  There is
something ALMOST endearing in "You killed my father, prepare to die."
(Indigo Montoya(sp?) in the Princess Bride).  My quandry is, Is there
a difference to my 2yo?  

Opinions and scholarly citings are welcome.

                                  Chris

-- 
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Internet: nelsonc@cs.rpi.edu  |  RENS-se-ler is a city. 
CompuServe: 70441,3321        |  R-P-I is a school in Troy!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Subject: Re: HELP!  Teacher problems
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:57:51 GMT

In article <168BD6BC4.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
|> In article <KMURPHY.92Dec13210234@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu>
|> kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy) writes:
 
(story about 5yo in new kindergarten class with inept teacher cut)

|> If the teacher really can't teach the class, the principal should be doing
|> something.  You shouldn't have to pay tuition because one of your employees
|> is not doing her job.  TV in kindergarten on a regular basis?  Even daycare
|> doesn't rely on TV.  I nearly came unglued when I read this!!!
|>  
|> At the very least, the principal should transfer your son into one of the
|> other kindergarten classes.  The timing is good - he could arrange the
|> transfer now and your son could start in the new class after the holidays.
|>  
|> The principal should be actively looking for an immediate replacement for
|> this woman and if he isn't, you should contact the school board and
|> superintendant.  I don't know about where you work, but where I work people
|> are expected to do their job.
|>  
|> good luck,
|> Teresa

YES!  What she said!  I agree wholeheartedly with Teresa's evaluation and
suggestions.  If you don't like the teacher and have tried to work things
out without success, get your son out of there and into another classroom.
I would also make sure that the principal knows that the teacher's personal
problems are seriously affecting her work and that she has expressed to you
the desire to leave the profession.  It's one thing for a teacher to feel
this way and yet another to be telling PARENTS about it!  Based on the
little we know, she needs help.

I'd also like to add that there are many excellent teachers in public
schools - my dear husband is one of them. :)

Best of luck,
Laurel
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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Febrile Convulsions
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:32:24 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <4310227@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kellee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kellee Noonan) writes:


   The only thing I disagree with in the excerpt is the effectiveness of
   the lukewarm sponging. For me it worked well to put him in a tepid bath 
   and sponge him off and pour water on him. He didn't like it when he was really
   hot, because it felt cold to him, but it kept the fever down. Be sure the
   water is TEPID, NOT COLD. It should feel neutral to your wrist.

I have used lukewarm baths with my kids when they have fevers. I read
(but don't remember where) that giving a lukewarm bath to bring down a
temperature is as effective as administering tylenol. It has worked
very well for us. Since our kids both love baths, I'd start the bath
luke warm (not hot, but warmer than tepid). The water seemed to be
soothing to them, and they'd splash a play a bit with the diversion. I
wouldn't fill the tub very full, so the water would cool further on
it's own accord. I'd leave the child in the water for as long as they
wanted, or until I got tired of watching them, then dry them off. Sure
enough, it took down the temperature.

We have no history of convulsions, so I let low level fevers run their
course - I don't do anything but monitor the child's temperature and
activity level until they get up to 102. We rarely use any kind of
medication when our kids are sick.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Treasure Hunt (was Re: Opening Children's Gifts at Parties)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:12:26 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>This worked quite well.  The kids
>also had goody bags to take home (which they filled via a treasure hunt
>- each child had a colored sticker to collect.

One of my favorite stocking presents was a treasure _map_ which
directed me to my real present.  (My husband has a great sense of
humor.)  It's something I hope we can do for Jordan--hide some of his
presents and give him a map to help him find them.   It heights the
_giving_, rather than the _gift_.

I thought I'd give my map, so some of you could use the idea:

From the foot of the stairs, walk towards
the [pen sketch of stereo stand].  Turn right and
proceed to the end of the [pen sketch of couch].
Pretend you are a cat, and prowl 
along between the [couch sketch] and the
[coffee table sketch], until you get to the little [table w/lamp sketch].
Look low and left, and enjoy.  And
remember to share with your [stick figure of husband].

      Santa Claus
--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: You know you are a parent when...
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:03:08 GMT

At your son's insistence you find yourself apologizing to a paper
plate because you accidently cut a whole it while cutting up
above mentioned son's pancakes.

You find yourself (at son't insistence) hugging and kissing
an imaginary reindeer standing in the family room.

Cathryn Chiesa

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Speech Change in 4yo
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.220137.8351@msdhsv.ingr.com> elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com (Ellen Howell) writes:
>I noticed something about my 4 year-old's speech that has
>me puzzled.  He has always spoken pretty well and his speech
>has been clear.  Over the past 2 weeks he has started to
>change his "r"'s to "uh"'s.  Bear with me while I try to 
>pronounce electronically.  For example, instead of "paper"
>being pronounced "pay - per", he will say "pay - puh",
>"Bear" goes to "Bay-uh", etc.
>When I correct him, he will say it correctly. 
>
>When I was about his age, I remember having a similar speech 
>problem, and I became very shy as a result.
>
>I am puzzled because it has come on fairly quickly after
>having very good speech.  He has not been sick or had any
>ear infections in a LONG time. I don't want to overreact 
>to a non-problem, but I am concerned.  It seems to be
>getting worse instead of better.
>
>Anybody got any ideas?

Sure, I think  that your child is picking up the local accent.
(You are obviously not native to Alabama.)  If you'll listen
carefully to the home folks you`ll notice that that ugly r
consonent disappears from the middle of spoken words (or make
that wo-uhds) and an extra syllable gets added.  I think the
overall affect is a much more euphonous, less-hurried language 
than the standard TV English.  I, personally, would not consider
this a problem at all.
  
>
>Thanks (once again) for your advice.
>
>-- 
Your welcome,
Elise.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ellen Howell                    *  "Ow: The first word spoken by children
>elhowell@elhowell.b17a.ingr.com *   with older siblings."
>(205)730-6873                   *                       -- Joyce Armorz
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Where is Judy Leedom Tyrer?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:30:30 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

I exchange email with Judy once in a great while, and once in a while she's
posted a bunch of replies on this group.  I suspect that her job demands
make even reading all the netnews, let alone formulating long and cogent
replies, a luxury she may not be able to afford right now.  Until I learned
how to make liberal use of the "kill subject" and "junk article" features
of our news reader, I was about to discontinue participation myself.  (yeah,
yeah, go ahead and say it, "why didn't you!!!")
 
--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... 
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .     
From: poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:29:44 GMT
Subject: Re: only a parent ... (was Giftedness)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>>>Every parent secretly likes to think that
>>>his/her child is the smartest, strongest, most beautiful child in the world.
>>
>>"By a dichotomy familiar to us all, a woman requires her own baby to be
>>perfectly normal, and at the same time superior to all other babies."
>
>Most mothers think that their child is gifted, but I KNOW!

I don't think my children are gifted, I only worry about they are
not good enough ... :-).



Vivienne 
Xref: sparky misc.kids:30895 soc.men:21529 alt.atheism:24064 alt.sex.wizards:4072
From: polly@iastate.edu (Y. B. Normal)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:45:30 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!

I have heard enough about circumcision.   I have even quit reading this 
group for a week and half because i was so tired of it and i start reading
it again and the articles are still here!!!!!!!!  this discussion has been
going on ffor upwards of three weeks now and it's getting to the point where
it's becoming a discussion of should i or shouldn't I circumcize my child.   
maybe this discussion should go to misc.kids or even have a group discussion 
formed called misc.circumcision.     

at least the anal sex discussion is about sex.    



Paula 
From: kellee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kellee Noonan)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:14:01 GMT
Subject: Re: it's happened again, or why mom's hair is turning gray
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

One year, when my oldest was only 2 or a little over that, she told
me she wanted "Thing-A-Ding-Dings" for Christmas. I said "Thing a 
What Whats???". What are they? So she explained she had seen it on
TV (of course) and that it had things that go round and round and
That go up and down and that go ding-ding-ding. RIGHT!

So I watched TV, but of course I never saw the commercial. Next,
I searched the Toy stores, but could not find them. (Hard to find them
when you really don't know what you are looking for). FINALLY,
in desperation, I asked a clerk at a Toy store, and got no results.
I (sheepishly) asked at another toy store, and the clerk said -
Oh yeah, they're right here! we just got them in.

This toy turned out to be a great toy, too bad they don't make it 
anymore, it was a set of parts to make-believe animals, like feet and bodies,
mixed with things like telephone dials and egg beater looking things
and cranks. When you made a creation, and turned the crank, it went
DING DING DING.

My kids played with it for years, then when they got to old, we passed
it on. I wish now I had it for my 4YO.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Crawling and Reading (Was AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:56:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.154044.25000@odin.diku.dk> thorinn@diku.dk (Lars Henrik Mathiesen) writes:
>xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>>Does anyone know the reasoning behind this crawling-reading
>>link? Are there any studies? What are people supposed to
>>do to help didn't-crawls read later? Should I insist my
>>next child crawl before walking and how on earth would I
>>do that anyway?
>
>I think that crawling is supposed to train cross-body coordination,
>because it has each arm moving together with the leg on the other
>side. Such coordination is useful in walking and running: Just try
>running with your arms held stiffly at your side!

This is the reason (an optometrist who sepcializes in children recently
gave a talk to the parents from Sarah's preschool).  Specifically,
development of motor coordination in children always moves from gross
movement (moving arms and legs) to finer ones.  Reading (actually,
seeing) involves very fine coordination of the eye muscles.  If the
child has missed out on development of cross-body coordination of the
larger muscles, it may impair the development of coordination in the
finer ones.

This optometrist did recommend discouraging children from walking before
they've learned to crawl (keeping them out of walkers is paramount).
At one point he said that if one of his children started walking before
crawling, he'd put roller skates on him, and I'm not entirely sure
he was joking.  

He also said the development of visual skills (which goes far beyond
simple acuity) is something that very few eye doctors of any sort are
trained in.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:14:55 GMT
Subject: //
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: Aspirin for Pregnancy Induced Hypertension?
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:59:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.203851.16466@xn.ll.mit.edu>, rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) writes:
|> We've seen some studies that suggest 80-150 mg/day of aspirin reduces  
|> PIH.  Anyone tried it?
|> 

I didn't think women were supposed to take aspirin at
all while pregnant.

Leigh Ann