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From: amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu (Angela Merritt)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Need help with stiff sided horse!
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:00:01 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM


 Hi,
 I have a 6 yr old TB that I am training for Dressage (we're shooting for
 training level next year).  When I got him he would always travel with
 a hollow back and his nose in the air, and not much flexibility.  Well
 it's been about 4 months now and he's improved quite a bit.  About 
 half the time he will travel more on the bit with his back rounded 
 and his stride will be more flowing (much easier to sit too!).  The other
 half of the time he is very resistant to the bit, mostly to the left (to
 the right he's really pretty good).  He is always mouthing the bit, 
 gapping his mouth and tipping his head
 to evade the bit.  My trainer feels like this is beginning to be a
 problem we can't ignore.  We have tried lots of suppeling exercises for
 both him and me with no real lasting improvments (for him that is; my
 posture has improved quite a bit :-) ).  My trainer says she
 can't tell that I am doing anything different when he is resistant vs.
 when he is pretty good.  She is suggesting now that we try a different
 bit.  He is currently using a full cheek snaffle (we are using the
 full cheek with the bit loops but he had the same problem before I
 added the bit loops).  We are thinking of trying a rubber full cheek
 snaffle and see how he does.  I'm hoping someone may have delt with
 a problem like this and has some advice to give (or encouragement?).
 Am I asking for too much too soon?  Am I letting him get away with
 too much?  Does the rubber bit sound like a good option? I can
 provide some more details about what we've tried so far if anyone is
 interested. BTW my trainer has looked at his teeth and can't see any
 obvious problems but were going to have the equine 'dentist' look at
 him when he comes next month. 
 Any advice; opinions; or personal ancedotes welcome :-)

 THANKS! 
 Angie. (amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu)
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Favorite Breed
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:04:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


   I, too, am a lover of one of the cold-blood breeds, except that mine
   is technically a pony---the Norwegian Fjord.  Here, I get the best of
   both worlds---the sensible draft temperament and sturdy physique, plus
   the pony friendliness and intelligence, in a package big enough to
   carry any rider, yet small enough to mount without a stepladder (13 to
   15hh).  
   We trail ride ours, but the breed is very versatile---farming, weight
   pulling, carriage driving, dressage, riding for the handicapped,
   Combined Training, and reining are only a few of the many things that
   Fjords do well.
   
   Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
   La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!

---------------------   

Sounds GREAT!!  Do they jump?

Do you know of any breeders in the South western Virginia area?

Marian Dabay
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
From: regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Date: 9 Sep 1992 08:54:56 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

Pam had a problem with a farrier who didn't tell her what happened when
he shod her horse without her being there.

Amanda said find a new farrier.

I say, "Not so fast".  Frankly, I think Pam is quite lucky to find a 
farrier who would attend to her horse without her presence at the shoing,
and think he has therefore gone out of his way to deal with a bad situation.
Top that off with a horse that's hard to handle for any farrier, and I
think you have a big problem in the making -- but it ain't the farrier's
problem, it's Pam's.

This fellow is having to handle an animal that isn't his, that puts him at
risk, and that the owner is not handling for him.  I'm not surprised that
he would use a method *he* approves of to handle the situation, and Pam
doesn't bother hanging around to approve or disapprove, so I don't see that
she has much to complain about.

The funny thing about putting your horse (dog, kid) in someone else's hands
is that their notions of what to do sortof takes precident over your notions.
That's human nature, and eminently sensible.  Either show up for the shoeing,
handle the horse responsibly, and teach it to obey, or grin and bear it.

Adrienne Regard
From: MAUSEN@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Trucks/towing/trailering
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:03:37 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
>Date: 15 Sep 92 19:59:53 GMT
>
>OK, I'll throw in my experiences - limited tho they are.
>
>When we were shopping for a trailer last year, a major objective
>was to get something that we could pull with the family station
>wagon (Volvo 740) which was already equipped to pull a boat.
>We therefore settled on a Brenderup, 2 horse model with a tack
>room - weight 1700 lbs empty. As it turned out, my husband
>decided that he didn't want hay, tack, etc. in the back of
>his car, so we ended up getting a Ford Explorer to pull
>the trailer.
         info deleted
>I pull into a horse show, though - its a rather odd looking trailer.
         info deleted
>Happy hunting!
>Lynn Pfau
>AT&T
>Naperville, Ill.


      Lynn,

            I just got back from a horse fair where I spent a lot
      of time looking at trailers.
             When you mentioned how lightweight the Brenderup is,
      and especially it's funny shape, I was wondering if it might
      be the same type as one other brand I saw.  It has an
      aluminum frame, but is constructed of plywood and fiberglass.
      This would be SO appealing..no rust, no corrosion, no rotten
      floor boards..  but I'm really wondering about strength and
      structural integrity.  Does the floor eventually stress out
      and fall through?  How would you know it was about to happen?
             If this is the type of trailer you have, I'd really
      appreciate hearing about your experiences and opinions.
      If anyone else knows anything about these trailers, your
      comments would also be greatly appreciated.
                                 Many thanks!
                                                           Margaret
From: lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:57:48 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I had to get into this one.  If your horse is not good with his
feet, you need to be there when he gets shoes.  If your farrier
and you can't get together, get a new farrier.  Personally, I 
would rather have a farrier tell me that he couldn't shoe my
horse than tranquilize the horse without my permission, but I
would NEVER expect a farrier to risk his livelihood to shoe
my horse without the shot.  I went through two farriers before
finding the one I currently use, and I never had my horses shod
when I wasn't there until this year.  I've had them for five
years.  In fact, I think they have only been shod twice without
having me there.  I don't really like the idea of having someone
shoe my horse if I've never seen them work and am not there to
help.  No, I don't really know that much about shoeing, but I
know how I like to treat my horses.

In conclusion, if you don't like something the farrier is doing,
by all means change farriers, but don't expect the farrier to 
know what you want him to do unless you have spent some time 
talking to him or her about how you want your horse treated and
shod.  
Linda
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Night Vision
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR


I was asked a question today which I did not know the answer to and I
immediately thought of the wisdom of the net.  Is it true that blue-eye
horses do not see well at night?  I have a girlfriend with a blue-eye
horse and she was told not to ride at night because the horse would have
trouble seeing.  Is this true?  or is it an old wive's tale. 

My girlfriend reads this newsgroup but she cannot post to it so please
post all responses so she will be able to read them.  Thanks. 

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
From: dallasp@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Dallas Parr)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:02:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Trucks & Transmissions for Towing Horses
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


  In response to your question I have some answers.

  First lets clear up some definitions so when you decide to ask a mechanic
 some questions, he will feel confident in talking shop.

  Chevy has three basic trannys: 1 T-350 (Turbohydramatic 3 speed)
                                 2 T-400 (Turbohydramatic 3 speed)
                                 3 T-700 R4 (Turbohydramatic 3 speed w/overdrive

  I own a pickup with the T-400 (94,000 mi) and 2 weeks ago It blew up. I tow
 a 6 horse 5th wheel., and also a 20' travel trailer (not at the same time!).
  Here are some possible solutions for the towing dilemma.
 
1.You can use the T-400 (which I understand and have been told too many times,
 is the best bet for most applications. (This is what I chose with some modif-
 ications. 1. Up the pump pressure for better output.
           2. Put in heavy duty clutch packs.
           3. Change clutch engagement timing to fit attached engine. (I have a
              diesel).
           4. Install an Allison Torque converter.
           5. And don't forget the tranny cooler.
          -----------------------------------------
          Cost 1200.00 labor and mods included.

  2. Find a used T-700 R4 and do similar mods plus replace the factory weak
    parts with updated replacements. ( I looked for one but didn't find any
    available). The replacement of the weak parts is supposed to make this
    tranny as reliable as the T-400. I wanted it mainly for the solo economy.
    I don't know the price but it is probably similar for the rebuild.
 
 The only reason my trans died was the torque converter main bearing disintegrated dumping all the loose metal thru the transmission. (not good) (too late).

 I hope this gives you some help.
                                        J. Dallas Parr
                                        Hewlett-Packard
                                        Microwave Instuments Div.
                                        Santa Rosa Calif. 95403
From: betsy@vesuvius.esd.sgi.com (Betsy Zeller)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: when is a hock not a hock?
Keywords: hocks
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:59:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

So here's the story. Sailor is my 18 year old 
warmblood gelding, who is his younger days 
worked at fourth level. I have had him for
fifteen years, during which he has on-and-off
had what appeared to be some stiffness in
his left hock. When Sailor was sore, he might
be stiff for a few days, be worked lightly
for a while, and would be fine. In between
times, we would do the occasional flexion
test and he would be fine.

This summer, I decided to start working him
a little harder again, and went gradually from 4
days a week of light work to 5-6 hours of
harder work. He enjoyed it, and became more
and more animated. However, one night I worked
him a little harder than usual, (some halt to
canter departs, a fair amount of energetic
collected trot), but nothing *way* out of line
for what we had been working on.

We were both stiff the next day. I got better,
but Sailor became much more sore over the next
four days (of very light work). The vet came out,
examined him, blocked
his ankle to rule that out, did a *terribly* positive
flexion test, and we agreed that this looked like
a hock spavin.  We put him on 45 minutes walking, and
bute twice a day for two weeks. I wasn't able to take
Sailor in for X-rays until four weeks after the examiniation.

He is off bute now, slightly better, but still sore. The
lameness shows itself as a short stride, faintly evident
at the walk, more evident if we trot a few steps. Even
when he is sore, at the walk he tracks past 6-8 inches
with both hind legs.

I wasn't able to take Sailor in for X-rays until
four weeks after the initial examination. The thing
is, the X-rays (taken of both hocks) show nothing. Nada. Not
a thing. 

Does anyone have any ideas of what would look like
a hock problem, but in fact be a strain or injury elsewhere?
There is no obvious swelling, in the hock or elsewhere. I'd
be really interested if someone can suggest something.


Betsy Zeller
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Stiff back problems  (was help with stubborn horse)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:49:32 GMT

In article <14703@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>
>Well, I tried Monty in a lesson Wednesday, after warming him up for 15
>minutes on the longe at trot and canter, then a long loose walk with
>me on him before the instructor came.  Although he wasn't at his
>worse, this time the longeing didn't do it for him, he was still very
>stiff and hollow in his back.  I checked before and after the ride for
>back pain and couldn't find anything.  I'm interested in trying side
>reins but want others' opinions on how to use them correctly and
>whether they are likely to help this horse, or hurt him.  He usually
>backs off the bit when he gets hollow and I wonder if he would accept
>side rein contact.  He likes a really steady contact on his mouth.  If
>I squeeze and release to try to get him to bring his head down, he
>just gets worse.  Perhaps with side reins he could trust the bit
>enough to accept it.
>
>Sarah Pallas and Monty
>

I'm not sure if you mean draw reins or side reins. You don't want to
ride in side reins, but you can longe with them and they can be very
helpful.  In terms of draw reins, they can be really abused, in that
if the rider is not VERY careful to keep the horse coming forward
ONTO the bit, pretty soon the horse learns to just overarch its neck
and stay behind the bit without actually working at all.  Use these
with a very active leg, and err on the loose side, rather then the
tight side.  I'd also use a milder bit in order to encourage him to
take a hold of it.  Um, usually it's best to attach them at the
sides (beneath your leg) rather than between the front legs if the
horse is forehandy.

Then again, he may have just used some muscles that were
unaccustomed to being worked, and so now he's a bit stiff and sore.
You can expect that, and expect him to be better next time,
hopefully. Really, side-reins and draw-reins should be used
sparingly, like try them once or twice a week to educate his
muscles.  Once he starts to get the muscles, perhaps he'll be more
willing to give in and USE them.

Good luck! Remember, we do this on purpose, because it's fun!

=gwyn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Why post with outside foreleg?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 05:51:29 GMT

Here in Oz we also rise to the outside leg and I have
also heard that the Europeans do the opposite. I guess
it must eitherbe true or it's a worldwide horsemyth!

Any Europeans out there?

-- 
Graham Jenkins            graham.jenkins@mis.csiro.au
CSIRO
Canberra,  AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: A Basic Glossary
Organization: Rockwell International
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:57:39 GMT


In article <1992Sep04.180810.30680@watson.ibm.com>, mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes:

> 
> Hi Gwyn, I'm in Connecticut about 70 mi. NE of NYC.  These classes
> should be coming soon to a show near you!  There is a strong rumor going
> around that the 
> Childrens/Adult Jumpers is eventually going to be a new AHSA division.  They
> may even split it (child apart from adult... I hope so, those young 
> whippersnappers are tough competitors! ;^)  California does have them, along
> with the Adult Amatuer "Mini-Prix"s (which is what the Marshall & Sterling &
> National Adult Jumper League classes are considered to be) -- at
> Foxfield, maybe?


The Children's and A/A Jumpers are usually split out here (at least in
So. Cal.).  The only time they usually combine is if there is a classic
offered at that show which is the only class that ever offers money in
Childrens or A/A Jumpers.  These classes usually are set at 3'6"-3'9".
I think Gwyn was referring to the leagues that you mentionned when saying
she wished we had something like that out here (correct me if I'm wrong
Gwyn).  I've seen several shows recently offering a Low Children's- A/A
division (I think 2'9"- 3'0" if I remember correctly).  These classes
do have the adults and children combined.  I think there are more amateurs
moving to the jumper division than hunter division in recent years--at
least out here the A/A, Modified Jr/Am, and A/O divisions are much bigger
in jumpers than hunters.  It's quite possible that more divisions are
being created to support the bigger interest in the jumpers.  I think
for many amateurs, an A/A jumper is more affordable than an A/A hunter.
Have you had any of the Low Children's- A/A classes starting on the
East Coast?

Diane

BTW Foxfield only offers the Jumping Derby in their fall show for amateur 
jumpers. It's a bit much for most A/A horses/riders.  Although the height 
is not substantial (3'6" - 3'9"), the course tends to be very difficult--
leaving the stadium to go out over an open field course with banks, ditches, 
and open water. 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Subject: National Horse Show - question
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:10:56 GMT



When in November is the National Horse Show?  How can I get more
info on it?  Is it hard to get tickets?  

Now that I have a brother in Manhattan I'd like to consider 
attending the show.  A free place to stay always helps.

Thanks,
Laurie

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: cosborn@dante.nmsu.edu (Cecelia Osborn)
Subject: Biting
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:11:20 GMT

I have used the cork and needle method of curing biting, especially
horses that bite while being led. I have always been taught that
slapping the horse on the shoulder won't work, the shoulder did not
bite you, but maybe I am not fast enough. After the horse pokes
himself a few times, they seem to be less interested in biting the
person leading the horse. I have noticed that colts seem to be more
prone to nipping than fillys are, has anyone else noticed this?
:w

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: erkert@scan2.tamu.edu (Ron Erkert)
Subject: zapped mail  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: erkert@scan2.tamu.edu
Organization: Cyclotron Institute, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:07:07 GMT

Shannon from CalTech (I think that's right).

Zapped your note accidently.  Give me a call back soon.

To answer your questions:  Yes, I am a real cowboy, and, no, I'm
not a Texan...yet.

Cowboy.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Subject: Re: Horse GIF images
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:19:25 GMT

eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth) writes:
 | 
 | I sent Rudy a personal thankyou for the instructions on _gifs_.
 | 
 | Now ... could someONE repost the recent gif files that I missed?
 | 
 | THANKS in advance.
 | 


Please don't post them here.

Use the alt.binaries.pictures.* hierarchy for posting them
or mail them directly.

Thanks.

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: suede breech patches
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na,local
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:33:25 GMT

In article <14549@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
> Does anyone know where one can get the suede patches for breeches?  I
> have several pairs of breeches with cloth patches, and they are too
> slippery (and no, of *course* I don't grip with my knees ;^)).  Seems
> like new patches would be a lot cheaper than new breeches!
> 
> Sarah Pallas

I have a catalog from The Rain Shed (707 NW 11th Street, Corvallis, OR 97330,
phone 503 753-8900) which lists "Suede 21".  This is their description:
"Ultrasuede-type except more abrasion-resistant.  Use as crotch padding for bike
shorts or in place of chamois patches on riding breeches.  Stays soft through
repeated washings. 78% polyester/22% nylon"  $60/yard @48inches wide, or
$5 per square foot.  Colors: Med Grey, Tan.
I've never used this, so I have no recommendations, but it sounded useful.

Another company you might check with is Suitability.  I couldn't find their
catalog last night, but I think they advertise in the back of many magazines,
or somebody on-line might have the address.  Anyway, they sell the patches
pre-cut and punched for applying to breeches or you can buy it "flat" (not
cut out or punched),and I think you have a choice of real leather or
ultra-suede.

Also, you can buy the tan-colored chamois in the auto-department of K-mart
or someplace like that, and cut it to fit.

Hope this helps!     Rosalie
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: quarter sheet responses needed!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:32:13 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

It seems our site isn't getting everything, so I
haven't seen any followups to my post on Quarter
Sheets.  I'd appreciate direct replies if possible.
Did anyone save the responses, could you mail me
a summary?  Please?

I am also not able to mail to bitnet addresses, yet,
so haven't been able to subscribe to the Equine Digest.
Soon I'm told.

Oh, well, I wonder what else I've missed.
:-(

Melanie
    and Quest "aren't carrots a great invention?"
-- 
**************************************************************
          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
**************************************************************
"In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.
Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Slippery Saddle
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 06:17:52 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

About two years ago Practical Horseman had a great article on just this issue.
As I remember, and I used the procedure once and it worked, you oil the saddle
every day for a period of a week, put the oil on lightly and then take the flap
and roll it all different ways trying to work the leather into the saddle to
soften the flaps, then you wipe the saddle. After the week you give it a good
cleaning with something like LEXOL. I found it much better--a brand-new
Equilibrium--after that work. But check the article out if you can. I am now
indexing worthy articles with PAPYRUS 7, but I wasn't doing it then, otherwise
I could give you the exact reference--or even copy the article. Good luck.