HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: crawford@ararat.cs.ucdavis.edu (Rick Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: lies of our times
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:15:30 GMT
Reply-To: crawford@cs.ucdavis.edu (Rick Crawford)
Distribution: alt.news-media
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Apr7.233338.717@sq.sq.com> donald@sq.sq.com writes:
  >            The point being made is not whether the missiles are useful,
  > but whether a media circus was created around the activities of
  > missiles attacking missiles, since the other parts of the war were
  > not being seen uncensored and live.
  >
  > --Donald Teed

I don't believe Dave Wolber ever posted his poem, so maybe it's still "news":

       War is peaceful now,
           nobody dies,
       Weapons killing weapons,
           no one hears the cries.

       War is peaceful now,
           no civilian dies,
       Soldiers killing soldiers,
           an "acceptable" number of lives.

                      ( or was that "lies" ?-)

And not to rehash this glorious war, but in light of recently established
facts (lies about Patriot accuracy, attempt to fire US govt. statistician
for accurately reporting estimates of Iraqi military and civilian deaths),
perhaps some old news will mean something different in this context:

"Mad Dogs and Englishmen; Quotes from the British Press,"
       Politiken (Denmark), 27 January 1991.


The Allies Have                    The Iraqis Have
- Army, Navy, and Air Force        - A War Machine
- Guidelines for journalists       - Censorship
- Briefings to the press           - Propaganda

The Allies                         The Iraqis
- Eliminate                        - Kill
- Neutralize                       - Kill
- Hold On                          - Bury themselves in holes
- Conduct precision bombings       - Fire wildly at anything

The Allied Soldiers Are            The Iraqi Soldiers Are
- Professional                     - Brainwashed
- Cautious                         - Cowardice
- Full of courage                  - Cannon fodder
- Loyal                            - Blindly obeying
- Brave                            - Fanatic

The Allied Missiles                The Iraqi Missiles
- Do extensive damage              - Cause civilian casualties

George Bush Is                     Saddam Hussein Is
- Resolute                         - Intractable
- Balanced                         - Mad

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From: adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin)
Subject: Re: Fu-hee-mori ( Was  'What a waste of space')
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:17:45 GMT

In article <167CAB21D.M19249@mwvm.mitre.org> M19249@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>In short (probably too late for that ;) ) I have been amused at the attempts
>at pronouncing the Pres of Peru's name.  I have heard both  'Fu-hee-mori' and
>'Fu-gee-mori'.  I imagine he or his ancestors 'colloquialized' the name to the
>former soon after arriving in Peru.  So, it is probably an issue of who's is
>the correct pronounciation either the family or the traditional version.  I

Hmmm.  Every day, AP sends out a "pronouncers" file for TV and radio types
who actually have to try to pronounce the names of people they report on
(one advantage of being in print, I guess :-) ).  Alas, I must not have
been paying attention the day after the coup, and now ol' Alberto has
dropped from the news (or rather, AP's English-language feed), so they
aren't telling us how to pronounce the name anymore. Sigh.  If he does
pop up in the file, though, I'll post the proper AP pronunciation.


-- 
Adam Gaffin
Middlesex News, Framingham, Mass.
adamg@world.std.com
Voice: (508) 626-3968. Fred the Middlesex News Computer: (508) 872-8461.
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: fsrla@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Lay off the comments, ok?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:54:06 GMT

Once again, thanks for the corrections.  I actually did read them
and I will try to watch my spelling.  I understand how mispelling
things can take away from the meaning of my messages.
However, I do feel that some of the messages I recieved were a bit
uncalled for.  The guy who said my girlfriend is ugly could be used as
an example.  Say, now that IS mature, isn't it????
Tell me, did you arive at that conclusion simply because my spelling is
bad?????  I'm impressed if you can do that!!!!!!!
Seriously, if you have nothing better to say then that, just shut up and
don't tell me.  I don't want to hear about how my girlfriend looks from 
some idiot who has never seen her.  I happen rather to find her very 
attractive.
Save these kinds of comments for alt.stupidity, ok?  I don't want to
hear them.
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: MEDIA BLACK-OUT of LARRY AGRAN '92
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: amarna.9APR199207182227
Organization: Dept. of Independence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <9204080747.AA07784@tba.msi.cornell.edu>, harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU 
(Harel Barzilai) writes...
[much too much on Agran vs. press]


The case of how the media ignore Agran is indeed very interesting and
worth studying. Too bad the referenced posting is so incoherent.
The March-April issue of the Columbia Journalism Review has a two-
page article that lays out the bizarre facts. Basically, it's a case
of journalists not wanting to cover somebody who might not win
and therefore make them (the journalists) look foolish for having
paid significant attention to him. Also, (my observation), Agran
doesn't =look= like a candidate -- he looks like a nerd -- that also
might be a factor.
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Evolution of press establishment
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:31:43 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

hicks@pulsar.rtp.dg.com (Linus Hicks) writes:
>|> as a tool to change society was already fully in place. It was
>|> in 1909, of course, that the Christian Science Monitor appeared
>|> out of nowhere.

>What is the significance of the Christian Science Monitor appearing
>"out of nowhere?"

A miracle?
-- 
This sentence no verb.
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: MEDIA: NBC Axes GE Critic
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:46:15 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>SAN DIEGO, California, April 6 AAP _ Australian anti-nuclear 
>activist Helen Caldicott claims she was axed from the NBC morning 
>news program, Today, after producers discovered her latest book 
>blasted the network's owner, General Electric. 

Well that's nice of them to save her the trouble of cancelling so that
she wouldn't be working for such an evil company.

Is this Helen Caldicott the same as the loony Helen Caldicott of
"Million dollars a minute on atomic weapons" and "Space shuttle eats
up huge amounts of ozone on every launch" fame?  If so, perhaps they
realized that they could get more reliable science information from
Willard. 
-- 
It was such a beautiful day I decided to stay in bed.  -- W. Somerset Maugham
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Chomsky's Propoganda Model of the Media
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:40:42 GMT

goddard+@cs.cmu.edu (Nigel Goddard) writes:

>I'm reading Chomsky's "Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in
>Democratic Societies".  He talks about his "propoganda model" of
>the media.  I find it hard to judge the validity of this model.
>He presents many case studies in which media coverage is predicted
>by the model, but I have no way of judging if he is ignoring
>situations in which the model fails to predict correctly.  Does
>anyone know of any studies that have been made of his model?
>Are there any refutations?  One slightly bizarre factor is that
>if the model is invalid, most likely it will be ignored; but if
>it is valid, it predicts that it will be ignored.  Of course this
>just means that the fact (it it is one) that the model has been
>ignored is of no significance, but I find it hard to believe that
>no media scholars have taken up the challenge from one of America's
>leading intellectuals.

>Nigel

I think you will find that media scholars generally ignore Chomsky as
irrelevant -- his criticism strikes at the entire structure and
consensus of the press "establishment" and, as such, _must_ be ignored.
Publications like CJR do an excellent job of criticizing press behavior
_within very strict bounds_, but never question at the depths that
Chomsky does.

You will also no doubt hear from net.chomsky.phobes some snotty comments
about him being "one of America's leading intellectuals"; as far as
they're concerned (usually they've not even read Chomsky but developed
loaded opinions based on their ideology), the man is a phony.

A couple of other excellent books to read in conjunction with Chomsky
(and Herman) is On Bended Knee: The Press & The Reagan Administration
(title is not precisely accurate, I'm sure, but my copy's at home); and
Ben Bakdikian's The Media Monopoly -- a real treasure of statistics and
analysis.

--Jeff Frane

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400) 
"Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."
                                    --Thomas Jefferson
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From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bill Moyers: Listening to America
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:32:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: gnv.1992Apr12.013239.1004
Followup-To: alt.news-media

In article <TOM.92Apr8075206@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>, tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:
> Last night I watched the first program in the "Listening to America" series
> Bill Moyers is producing for PBS (the series is scheduled to run weekly
> through the November elections).
>                                                Delray Beach, FL  33444
> +==== Censorship is the only form of Obscenity ======================+
> |     (Wait, I forgot government tobacco subsidies...)               |
> +====================================================================+

	I wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'real America'. Given
	its head, it would hang all the 'niggers', burn all the 'fags'
	torture all the 'impure' and use state power to indoctrinate
	the children into a fine upstanding intolerant version of
	the christian religion. 

	Was watching a documentary about Andy Warhol the other night.
	Running thru his origins they ran thru a number of 50's
	newspaper columns very quickly. One momentary flash showed an
	article entitled something like "Government assistance sought
	in monitoring perv1\~perverts". This is the heart of the 'real'
	America ... fearful of the different, murderous towards the
	non-conformist, willing to use state power to maintain the
	status-quo to the n-th degree. 

	Can you say "Tyrany of the Majority" ? The 'real' America is
	semi-literate, superstitious, mal-educated little redneck
	scum steeped in violence, prejudice and intolerance. It's not
	so different from other 'civilized' countries in these 
	sentiments either. If you value freedom  - don't evoke the
	great silent majority again. Democracy loses its utility as
	soon as one group learns to use it to screw another group.

-- Jim Mason : Standard Disclaimers
From: faustus@ygdrasil.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Wayne A. Christopher)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: MEDIA BLACK-OUT of LARRY AGRAN '92
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s1rcqINN1d4
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: ygdrasil.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <9APR199207182227@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> The case of how the media ignore Agran is indeed very interesting and
> worth studying.

Based on a recent exchange between Agran's staff and a journalist for
the Nation, it sounds to me as though Agran is poorly organized, has
no particular credentials that suggest he would make a good candidate,
and has no especially impressive ideas.  Why should the media pay
attention?  If I were to declare my candidacy now, I wouldn't complain
about a "media blackout" if I didn't get a lot of coverage.  It takes
more than "I'm as good as the next guy" to be taken seriously.

	Wayne
From: M19249@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Fu-hee-mori ( Was  'What a waste of space')
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:39:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: mwvm.167CAB21D.M19249
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <1992Apr15.154211.25474@uwm.edu>
klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Mark Bishop) writes:
 
>A few months back some of us were having a discussion about the media on
>alt.fan.dan-quayle.  It was a very good discussion, until it ended when we
>were told that we were discussing the wrong topic for that newsgroup.
>
>So some people then wanted to form a strictly "media" newsgroup, just to
>discuss the media, and NOT politics.
>
This is quite true, I was there.
>Then a few weeks ago when I discovered that alt.news-media was available
>to me, I was excited.  I thought "Finally, a place where we can talk
>about the media themselves, NOT politics."
>
So was I.
>Well, as most of you are aware, this newsgroup has turned into nothing
>more than a political discussion.
>
Damn shame.  Even less appropriate than our little arguments over in a.f.dq
>It kind of frustrates me, because instead of getting involved in a meaningful
>discussion about the media, I instead continuously hit my "N" key to skip
>all of your messages that talk about politics, and quite frankly, I don't
>think that 90% of the messages here belong in this newsgroup.
>
Aren't there all those soc.pick_your_favorite_subculture for these types of
discussions?
>Maybe someday there will be a place to talk about the media without discussing
>politics of the Middle East or George Bush.  If that day comes, I will be
>ready to begin a discussion.
>
>klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 
Well, Heres my try at it.  This recent 'coup' in Peru has piqued my interest
on one point that is directly a matter of media 'form rather than substance'.
In short (probably too late for that ;) ) I have been amused at the attempts
at pronouncing the Pres of Peru's name.  I have heard both  'Fu-hee-mori' and
'Fu-gee-mori'.  I imagine he or his ancestors 'colloquialized' the name to the
former soon after arriving in Peru.  So, it is probably an issue of who's is
the correct pronounciation either the family or the traditional version.  I
just can get the Sat. Night Live skit with Jimmy Smits out of my mind.  (The
SNL cast overpronounces all the 'ethnic' words to the 'ethnic' persons dis-
pleasure).
-Dave Weitzel (or is it 'Veitzel' ;) )
"standard disclaimer applies"
I was going to crosspost this to a.p.c but they are too busy confusing African
males with African American males to probably notice.
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From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Bill Moyers: Listening to America
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:52:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.news-media
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division

Last night I watched the first program in the "Listening to America" series
Bill Moyers is producing for PBS (the series is scheduled to run weekly
through the November elections).

The first program was an examination of the influence of big money on
politics. It spent a lot of time on the S&L scandal. It was a very hard
hitting show which named names, followed the paper trail, and documented its
facts. (I also expect the Jerry Brown campaign to be giving out videotapes
of "Listening to America" soon, it did a far more eloquent job of bashing
big money politics that any of Brown's hysterical foaming at the mouth has
ever done).

I was 1 year old when Ed Murrow finally broadcast the truth about Joe
McCarthy.  I think "Listening to America" may be the most significant chunk
of truth in broadcast journalism since that event 38 years ago. I think
Moyers has done a job which may have a major impact on American politics for
years to come (and they have only broadcast one show so far :-).

Everyone should watch it.
--
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From: tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,ba.general,biz.misc,ca.general,alt.dcom.catv,rec.arts.tv,rec.video,rec.video.cable-tv,rec.video.satellite,rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Effect of Technology on TV NEWS  --  please read
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:00:11 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1992Apr9.014206.12194@news.cs.brandeis.edu> ttaylor@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>article <rvl04INNm6j@agate.berkeley.edu>, et@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric Thompson) writes:
>>Hi.  I'm trying to gather information on the effect new technology has
>>had on the collection and broadcast of television news.  If you or anyone
>>you know can respond to this request, or if you can direct me to books or
>>publications on the topic, I will GREATLY appreciate it.  I'm especially
>>interested in hearing from people who work in the tv news business, however
>>anyone with this type of knowledge should participate.
>
>>* how has new technology affected the way news is collected?
>
>I'm not quite sure if you'll find this interesting but I know I did. Last year
>I worked for a company that made and distributed surgical products. As part of
>a publicity campaign, they got an advertising company to produce a very
>authentic looking "news video". The video included the voice over of an 
>official sounding anchorperson (she even said something to the effect of
>"reporting from...") and various interviews with doctor's (all of which had 
>close ties to the company). There was an extended and shorter running version
>of this. I think the thing that most disconcerted me about this whole thing 
>was that the video was then transmitted via sattelite to stations all over the
>country. Sort of like an AP wire story, this video could be picked up and 
>rebroadcast on local news, usually in a health or medical segment. Needless to
>say it was picked up all over and we got flooded with calls on the product
>(people could call the station to get an 800 number). Without sounding too 
>alarmist, I found the whole thing a bit unsettling. The video had very high
>production values and really came off as an official bit of journalism. Just
>seeing a company be able to do this really made me think a little differently
>about these sort of segments on the news. 
>
>Tina Taylor

TV GUIDE did an article on this practice several weeks ago, and still
gets mail. TV G  was alarmed also at the practice, that it is WIDESPREAD
and the result of LAZY news gathers. They put on what is in fact an
exctended 'infomercial' as NEWS, when in fact it is self serving product
or service endorsement, and not labled so on the news programs.  

tk
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From: frazier@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Frazier)
Subject: Re: Army reveals strength of Patriots
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:54:34 GMT

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>Come on, the only people who are really going to be surprised by this
>are simps who think the government wouldn't lie to them at the drop of
>a hat, and the only ones outraged are the dopes who think that any
>government isn't going to make deception a policy.

The only ones not outraged are the weenies who are willing to
roll over and play dead rather than fight for a more just
government.  Mind you, the fight might be futile, and I myself
haven't taken to the streets yet (call me a weenie), but being
outraged seems like the least one could do.
-- 


Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
From: axd7104@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Knee-jerk local news
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:29:26 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Apr9.173059.22847@meaddata.com>, dedek@meaddata.com (Mike Dedek) writes:
> I think the quality of local tv news varies.  Some reporters, particularly
> those who've been around a while, seem to have an idea of what's going on.
> Many of the younger ones, particularly sports and weather people, but in
> general reporters who appear to be there due more to an attractive appearance
> then journalistic ability are no good, IMO.  I generally think local tv news

I think one of the big problems with local news is that the reporters/
anchors/etc bounce around from market to market, usually only spending 2
or 3 years in any one place while working their way up in the industry. I
don't blame them for wanting to move on to bigger markets and higher
salaries, but what it means is that most of them never really obtain a
"feel" for the local area, which can show in the reporting.
-- 
Aaron Dickey                      Bitnet: axd7104@nyuacf
New York University             Internet: axd7104@ACFcluster.nyu.edu

Al Roker Is God.
From: faustus@ygdrasil.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Wayne A. Christopher)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: MEDIA BLACK-OUT of LARRY AGRAN '92
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sb2s0INN1dn
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: ygdrasil.cs.berkeley.edu

Larry Agran sounds like a reasonable person with reasonable views.
Why has he been blacklisted then?  One of the skills that a national
leader must have is that of building support for his ideas.  If Larry
Agran has somebody managed to alienate all of the Democratic
leadership, either he must be very unlucky or very uncharismatic.  His
ideas aren't especially radical, compared to Brown's.

	Wayne
From: jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jonathan S. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Fu-hee-mori
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:44:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <29EED8F8.457A@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>Well, I can give an authoritative answer to the Fujimori question.  My
>Peruvian mother-in-law (a nice person -- really!) is right now in my
>apartment.  I asked her how to pronounce the name of Peru's president,
>and she answered:
>  FU - HEE - MO - REE
>BTW, the "H" is a slightly gutteral sound, like the "ch" of German or
>Yiddish (or the lojban "x", for you conlangers).

The original Japanese pronounciation is:

                 		FU-GEE-MO-REE

Well, now we see where the confusion comes from.  Obviously, the correct
pronounciation is this case would have to be FU-HEE instead of FU-GEE as
the man was a Peruvian citizen.  It would seem, however, that if any of
the media had any confusion over the man's name, that it should be a simple
matter to go back and check their files.  I'm sure our major news organizations
had some tape somewhere of him giving a speach where he or someone else
pronounced his name.

-Jon Anderson


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  Jon Anderson                                      jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu
      "Won't you look down upon me Jesus, you gotta help me make a stand,
       You've just got to see me through another day.
       My body's aching and my time is at hand,
       And I won't make it any other way. "                 -James Taylor
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