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From: MSTEVE@CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU
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Subject: hurricanes and hardware
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:31:00 GMT
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One of the nice things I get to do as a librarian in an architectural
library is look at all of the interesting new books that we recieve.
We have just recieved "A Manual for Hurricane Resistant Construction",
published by the Southern Building Code Congress International, Inc.,
1992.  This is a tool for the insurance industry, and so there is no
mention of any type of structure besides the conventional box.  I look
at drawings of surge and wave forces, and wind forces on walls and roofs
and I wonder how the dome would fair in the 150+mph winds that nature
serves up in those spectacular events we call hurricanes.  Does anyone
have first-hand knowledge of domes that have had to weather these
storms?
Another thing that I have been curious about for some time, when I dream
about hammering nails and watching my future dome reach for the sky, is
fasciners.  I know very little at this point about dome construction.  I
have helped put up a few boxes in my time.  What gage of steel is needed
to hold a dome together, given the inherent strength of the triangle and
the integrity of the dome form?  16 to 18 gage is common for joist
hangers, and other such hardware in box construction.  I would think
that a much lighter material could be used, allowing dome builders to
press their own plates for this porpose, with relative ease.  Please
enlighten me.  Seeking knowledge, Steve Moon
From: mj_brewe@honey.uwe.ac.uk (M Brewer)
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Subject: Kick Start
Keywords: WGS84 & dome Homes
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:28:09 GMT
Organization: The University of the West of England (The Magic Roundabout)

Hi All

I am undergrad in Bristol England doing a research project into map 
construction , design and computer representation.  And well to say the least 
I have a few questions , perhaps someone might be able to help.

1 : Where can I find out more information on WGS84 and most important the 
    calculations used in conversions.

2 : What good books would anyone reccomend (OTHER THAN SPELLING!)

3 : What is a dome home (I can guess but Id like to know more ?)


thanking you all in advance


Mark



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From:         Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@MAYA.ISIS.ORG>
Subject: Re: Bucky!

In <92Dec11.060918est.9892@mail.uunet.ca> jdlaps@dante.lbl.gov writes:
> >  Anyway, I should also comment that a few dome buildings exist in the
> >  area that were built by the Master himself. One house he built in a
> >  matter of a few hours. The house is still lived in.
>
> How in the world did he do that?  What sort of technology did he use?
> Details please.

In the fewest possible words: by Design Science!

In a few more: by exploiting aircraft technology, prefabricating the
parts in a controlled (factory) environment and, as Bucky so excelled
at doing, _planning_ every last detail, right down to how the parts
dissassembled would pack into the smallest possible container.

In talking about Domes for the Future, we should also keep in mind the
'gestation periods' Bucky measured, and how he considered his own
designs merely the prototypes to get the ball rolling --- by his own
calculations, we should be just on the very threshold of a burst in
dome-icile industries, and especially the support industries to
build, maintain, and administrate the dome-iciles; Bucky's vision was
for homes to be managed in the same way as our current champion
'high-tech-for-everyone' business, the Telephone.

I'm in the midst of a move now, and I will tell you, having done this
too many times before and being in an industry (selling only my
know-how with computers) where I can expect to do this many more times
:-(, I would _far_ prefer to simply call up my dome company and have my
current home either air-lifted 450km south-east, or just give them a
'disconnect' notice, get on the train for Toronto,  drop in at their
local dome company showroom and pick out a home to be installed near
(topologically, not necessarily geographically) the Roseburgh
building... they will of course say, "Someone will be out to connect it
next Tuesday" :-)

The only question which remains is who is going to be the Bell of
housing for the 21st Century?  You can't tell me there is no demand!

--
Gary Lawrence Murphy ---------------- garym@virtual.rose.utoronto.ca
279 Fifth Avenue Ottawa, Ontario Canada K1S 2N4       (613) 230-6255
         It's AFTER the end of the world. Don't you know that YET?
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From: bbl7597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: alternative housing       
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Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:01:10 GMT

Is there a more general list on alternative housing that discusses
underground houses and other alternative homes?

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:16:55 PST
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From:         THE END IS NIE! <RHYSLING@PHOENIX.BITNET>
Subject: RE: hurricanes and hardware

Or, better yet, cut out the expensive middle man, have alot of fun,
and lern to make them yourself.  Geodesic Math is Fun!
Fabricating is FUN!  It is easy!

Advertisements for Natural Spaces is not fun.  It is getting tiresome.
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:11:01 PST
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From:         Jim Lutz <lutzj@CCMAIL.LBL.GOV>
Subject:      Re[2]: Kick Start

 Perhaps it is time to repost my Annotated Bibliography.  Anyone interested?


YES!   Please do.

        Jim Lutz
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From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: hurricanes and hardware
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:24:18 GMT


I saw a photo of a dome surrounded by debris in Florida after
Hurricane Andrew, and heard a mention that domes had held up well.
But it was a passing glance, I don't recall the source. Anyone else?
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From: michael@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Mealling)
Subject: CWIS Disclaimers...
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:36:24 GMT


  I know this has been covered but I was wondering if anyone has a 
collection of disclaimers for CWISs? We're thinking about using gopher
and I need something to put in front of all the clients so that a user
MUST see it. Just to satisfy them there lawyer types....
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From:         "(Raul A. Huerta)" <kendo@UC1.UCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Standard English

I grew up in a state that is legally bi-lingual -- New Mexico.  Way back then
(the fifties), before the advent of bilingual education -- we spoke English
at school ( I still remember the pain of not understanding English in kinder-
garten -- so it was learning by brute force -- and often by not so kindly
Chicano teachers!) and spoke Spanish at home and _calo_ or pachuco on the
streets --> orale ese -- etc.  HOWEVER, my grandfather kept reminding me that
Spanish was a language made of Arabic, Latin and Nahuatl words --> at least
our form of Spanish -- nonetheless, the emphasis was on speaking excellent
Spanish and English -- not debased and degraded forms to retain our _herencia_!
Years later in college while reading Gramsci I encountered a passage from his
essay "The Study of Philosophy" that has reaffirmed the need to learn different
languages:

Note 3.  If it is true that any language contains the elements of a conception
of the world and of a culture, it will also be true that the greater or lesser
complexity of a person's conception of the world can be judged from his
language.  A person who only speaks a dialect or who understands the national
language in varying degrees necessarily enjoys a more or less restricted
and provincial, fossilised and anachronistic perception of the world in com-
parison with the great currents of thought which dominate world history.  His
interests will be more or less corporative and economic, and not universal.  If
it is not always possible to learn foreign languages so as to put oneself in
touch with different cultures, one must at least learn the national tongue.  One
great culture can be translated into the language of another great culture that
is, one great national language which is historically rich and complex, can
translate any other great culture, i.e., can be a world expression.  But a
dialect cannot do the same thing.

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Utica College of Syracuse University
kendo@uc1.ucsu.edu
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From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: RE: But what can we isolated YouEssers do?
              (3)

See *Not Only English* ed. by Marcia Farr and Harvey Daniels; and any of
Elliot Judd's articles (some of which have appeared in TESOL Quarterly and
TESOL publications.
Germany Is multilingual; Japan is working enormously hard at it.  The US is
highly unusual in being so vast and with one dominant langauge: linguistic
imperialism has long been firmly entrenched.  It's exciting to see the resurgenc
   e
of American languages, the insistence on bilingualism by many Hispanic/Latino
groups, the spread of calo, pachuca, etc beyond marginalized dialect
communities.  But the answer to your question I don't know: people have to
WANT to be bilingual in a country this big.  Ithink one small fallout from the
present sociopolitical movements may be to force more bilingualism.

And anti-American snobbery has been around about as long as anti-British
resentment, and for less reason.  Isn't it tragic how language intolerance is
yet one more factor tearing countries and cultures apart?  See ex-Yugoslavia,
Czechoslovakia, Azerbaijan and other ex-USSRepublics, and many African countries
   :
look to at Wales, Scotland and Ireland vis a vis England--or even Cornwall,
where Cornish was NOT a dialect of English.
Perhaps this tells us how important these questions are for the futures of the
learners in our composition classes, and how urgent it is for all of us to
understand our own positions on dialects and grapholects in college writing--
even if we can't agree among ourselves.
Liz Hamp-Lyons
English/Applied Language
University of Colorado, Denver
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:37:05 CST
From:         Bob Whipple <whippl@PARROT.CREIGHTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "Higher?" Education in El Paso
              "@ricevm1.rice.edu:MBU-L@TTUVM1.BITNET" at Dec 18, 92 5:30 pm

I remember as a student  getting a little tired of teachers who thought
that Lubbock (or Las Cruces or Commerce or wherever or Waco) was the end
of intellectual life.  No, they aren't Broadway on a Saturday night.  Nor
are they the Houghton on a fall day.  But weren't they hired in part because
there was a need for intellectual life in that place?  I.e., if there
ain't anything hoppin, then one might hop around oneself.  Students pick
up on these attitudes, as they do every other attitude, and remember.

I, too, am an exile, though because of the dynamics of the job market,
not because of "no loads" (ok, I'll confess, I don't know what this is).
My heart will always be in the South Plains.  But there's plenty of the
life of the mind in Omaha, Tuscaloosa, and Peru (Nebraska). You've just
gotta look for it.  The world didn't begin, and probably won't end,
in NYC, LA, or Chicago (despite reports to the contrary).

A note on languages:  Lakota Sioux is a point of interest around
here bc/ of Dances w/ Wolves.  And we've got a new faculty member at
Creighton who may teach Irish Gaelic soon. A lovely, sybillant tongue.

--
Bob Whipple
Director of Composition		Creighton University
2500 California Plaza		Omaha, NE 68178
(402) 280-2534			rhetoric@creighton.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:30:49 -0500
From:         "(Raul A. Huerta)" <kendo@UC1.UCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "Higher?" Education in El Paso

Dear David,

I always thought the name for UTEP should be the "under-miners"  -- in any
event -- one would think that higher education in states like Texas and New
Mexico would have over time created a culture that attempted to form a
bridge into the communities that are paying the salaries of the profs --

One of the things that always struck me about the academic culture in a number
of Southwestern institutions is the colonial attitudes of the faculty -- I
mean people felt like they were about to enter hell --> I have fond memories
of a junior faculty member who kept telling me about how wonderful the students
were at UCLA in comparison with "what" he was coming into contact in his new
post -- one day I had enough of it -- I flat out told him that I was tired of
people who couldn't get jobs in real institutions like Harvard/Chicago/Berkeley
etc. who "ended" up at UNM -- I was at UNM because I'm from NM -- since 1598 --
I mean why did we always get stuck with the losers?  --- Needless to say he
got a might bit upset -- (he still hasn't published anything worth two cents) --
but -- the no loads in those places drove me out of there -- I refused to
participate -->so I chose exile --

So if you wonder sometimes about the "fall out" of higher eds refusal to deal
with the community -- you can look at me and a zillion others who have taken
the same path out of a colonial existence --> places where you are treated like
exotic flora and fauna -- and the "oh, how unusual that you know _xyz_" Jeez,
my _abuelita_ taught herself Italian so she could read Dante -- my uncles are
fluent in German, French and Spanish -> it is not that hard folks -- just some
time and love of things like music, art, poetry, etc......I mean how could
someone not want to learn German after hearing Mozart? Or understand Italian
after hearing Puccini? -- This stuff about not wanting to learn another idiom
is beyond me -- I mean it always seemed so natural --

BTY -- have you tried Navajo -- actually the tonal quality -- the manner of
counting -- the geometric quality of the language resonates with Chinese --
while it is constructed in some ways like German --

Raul
kendo@uc1.ucsu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:28:46 MST
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Second Language Labs

My experience in El Paso helped me to see how complex an issue bilingualism
can be and what in interesting social weapon language can be. It is true that
in almost any community there are groups of people using languages other than
English in their daily lives and that these communities are potential language
labs for US folks who want to learn a second language. But thta's just the
point: they are communities and they often do not want to be language labs.
Anglo students in El Paso who wanted to learn to speak Spanish were often
frustrated because groups of Spanish speaking students simply would not speak
Spanish with them. They were not willing to let the Anglo students into the
Spanish-speaking community, to accept that level of intimacy. "Otherness" may
be more important to many people than peace and harmony. As Swift once said,
"For what imports it how large a gate you open, if there will be always left a
number who place a pride and merit in refusing to enter?"

-- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
___Arizona State University West
___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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Resent-Subject: Lurker revisited
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From:         Karla Saari Kitalong <KITALONG@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU>
Subject:      Lurker revisited

The term "lurker" has been under discussion on the CMC list of late.
Recalling the MBU discussion that took place this past fall, and our
inability to come up with a suitable alternative to "lurker," I offer
the following, with Kent's permission. BTW, CMC's conclusion seems to be
that "lurker" is OK. Isn't that what MBU also decided? Or did we just
get sick of the discussion and abandon it? I forget.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Karla Kitalong, Michigan Tech, kitalong@mtus5.bitnet
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
lurk vi [ME lurken, akin to louren, Norw. lurka, to sneak off]
1. to stay hidden, ready to spring out, attack, etc.; lie in wait
2. to exist undiscovered or unobserved;
to be present as a latent or not readily apparent threat
3. to move furtively

SYN-lurk implies a waiting in concealment or in the background, especially
with sinister or menacing intentions....

I thought Webster might add nicely to the discussion.  Since my non-
contributing time is spent reading and watching without "sinister"
intent, I prefer the label "kibitzer."  Which, more accurately, describes
the person who watches with interest and every now and then jumps in with
commentary.  Kibitzer is not POLITICALLY correct, it seems to be
CORRECT correct (if correct means a label which more precisely describes the
actors or actions referred to by the label).

Kent Menzel
From: kendo@UC1.UCSU.EDU ((Raul A. Huerta))
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Subject: Re: Second Language Labs
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:09:39 GMT
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Dear Robert,

I find it very interesting that with the enormous ethnic diversity in places
like NYC that one could make a very compelling argument about the lack of
places to "practice" a second language.  I enjoy going to the City (New York
City for you non-Knickerbockers) or other large metropolitan centers such as
Chicago, Denver, Dallas, LA, SF etc.  The reason is that I can once again be
around people who speak Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, etc.  *We* are mostly
invisible to the rest of you -- but, believe me there are people living their
lives within these "isolated" communities.  That does not even include the
possibility of reaching out via various telecommunications venues such as
satellite or cable TV.  I live in the boonies in upstate New York -- I am a
very happy camper now -- with my satellite dish -- I get the CBC in French and
all kinds of Spanish language programming (including HBO in Espa~nol!)...
At any rate -- in a number of cities if you do not speak Spanish or at least
have some modicum of understanding you'll have trouble just negotiating your
basic needs -- go to Miami sans Spanish or LA or SF  -->even NYC.  It is
wonderous and amazing that people don't see this stuff -- I was in a Chinese
restaurant in Syracuse -- run by Vietnamese --> and I saw Mexicano workers --
we talked for a bit -- yea, they were here and working -- the beginnings of a
small Mexicano community in Syracuse --  Well, what I'm saying is that every-
one has an opportunity to learn and practice a number of languages with
native speakers EVERYDAY!

Raul Huerta
kendo@uc1.ucsu.edu
"Que es la vida -- la vida es sue~no"
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:33:49 EST
From:         "David Tillyer, CCNY" <DATCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      unreferenced postings

I hate to be a grinch, but...I feel it would be better for all of us if
simple replies such as "I agree!" "Right on!" or "You're full of it!"
were sent directly to the person you are replying to and not the list.

It does nothing for the rest of us, but fill our mailboxes, if there is
a constant babble of unreferenced postings coming across.
                                            David Tillyer, CCNY
From: MROSE01@UKCC.UKY.EDU (mer)
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Subject: Re: Monolingualism
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:04:34 GMT
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Hey Marilyn!



              Nice to see you on the lists!


                                                       mer
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Subject:      pourquoi

parlons nous seulement en anglais?
Myles
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From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rhetoric and/of Technical Writing (*MBU*) (10)

The effort to define technical writing and distinguish it from business
writing has been interesting. I'm inclined to think that the identification of
tech or biz writing as some special kind of writing can probably be traced
back to the tendency of college writing programs that valorized a single kind
of writing as being "good" and tried to teach everyone to write "essays" like
E. B. White's. This was not good training for people expected to write about
valves (or even about values). The establishment of tech/biz writing programs
asserted that there could be good and bad writing about something other than
the folkways ofNew York City. As writing programs have become more
rhetorically oriented and recognize the "goodness" of writing as a function or
audience and purpose, tech/ and biz writing could probably come back home.
Writers--biz, tech, literary, journalistic, what have you--face writing tasks
embodying subjects, occasions, audiences, and purposes (SOAP thanks to T.
Boley at UTEP), and they have to have control of the language conventions to
do these tasks. And beyond the loose categories identified by Kinneavy,
Britton, Jakobson, Richards, Aristotle, and other taxonomists, it gets tougher
and tougher to make distinctions that will hold up. The strategies are
infinite.

-- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
___Arizona State University West
___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
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