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From: tpurves@sygnus.uucp (Tim Purves)
Subject: Re: Atari ST disks <----> IBM DOS disks ???
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 05:25:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.050509.24342@qiclab.scn.rain.com> 70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>CADS_COLE@galluk (Kevin Cole; Washington DC) writes:
>
>>Greetings.
>
>This all works because the Atari uses MS-DOS directory structures!
>The only catch is that DOS requires the first sector after the index
>hole to be sector 1. The Atari ignores the index hole. That's why
>you need to format the disks on a PC...

Not true.

Follows is a program I wrote way back in 85, to convert Atari DS disks
to a format the PC can read. The problem is that MSDOS expects a jmp or 
jmp short in the first byte of the boot sector. This program also fixes
up the bpb.



code		segment	byte public
		assume	cs:code,ds:code

		org	100h
atari		proc	far
start:		jmp	short over_data
sigon		db	'Atari ST -> IBM disk patcher',13,10
		db	'Copyright (c) 1985, Timothy Purves',13,10,'$'
err_msg		db	'DISK ERROR!',7,'$'
mode_flag	db	0

over_data:	push	ds
		pop	es
	
		mov	dx,offset sigon
		mov	ah,9
		int	21h

		mov	mode_flag,2
		call	diskio
		jc	error_out
		mov	word ptr [bx],34EBh		; short jmp
		mov	byte ptr [bx+2],90h		; nop
		mov	byte ptr [bx+15h],0F9h		; media type
		mov	byte ptr [bx+200h],0F9h		; Fat ID
		mov	word ptr [bx+201h],0FFFFh	; Fat Marker
		mov	mode_flag,3
		call	diskio
		mov	al,0
		jnc	normal_out
error_out:
		mov	dx,offset err_msg
		mov	ah,9
		int	21h
		mov	al,1
normal_out:	
		mov	ah,4ch
		int	21h

atari		endp

-tpurves


diskio		proc	near
		mov	cx,5
retry:		push	cx
		mov	ah,mode_flag
		mov	al,2
		mov	dx,0
		mov	cx,1
		mov	bx,offset disk_buffer
		int	13h
		pop	cx
		jc	reset_disk
		or	ah,ah
		jnz	reset_disk
		ret
reset_disk:	xor	ax,ax
		int	13h
		loop	retry
		stc
		ret
diskio		endp

disk_buffer	equ	$
code		ends

		end	start
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.misc
From: btannen@dri.com (Bob Tannen)
Subject: *** DR DOS 6.0 NOW WINDOWS 3.1 COMPATIBLE ***
Keywords: DRDOS DR DOS WIN3.1 DRDOS6 DRDOS6.0 6.0 3.1 WIN WINDOWS WIN31        
Reply-To: btannen@dri.com (Bob Tannen)
Organization: Novell/Desktop Systems Group
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 18:20:41 GMT

The Novell Desktop Systems Group (formerly Digital Research) is committed to
bringing you the very latest features for your DR DOS 6.0 operating system in
the form of free quarterly updates.  The Business Update Service for the month
of April includes all of the files necessary for Windows 3.1 support.  These 
files and the information needed for Windows 3.1 support are AVAILABLE NOW!
The FULL update will be sent to registered users shortly.  To download the 
Windows 3.1 specific files NOW call: 408-649-3443 (96/2400 N81) and for a 
limited time only (to support the large volume of calls): 408-649-3516 (24/1200)
They will also be available on Compuserve (GO DRFORUM) shortly.


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From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: uucp/uucp for MSDOS 5.0?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:54:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.1992Apr16.105422.1774
Organization: San Francisco State U. -- Dept. of History

i needs a version of UUCP (UUPC?) that will run on a 286 zenith laptop.
e-mail reseponses, please.


-- 
-- bob pasker 
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From: wong1@husc4.harvard.edu (Christopher Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: foxpro fault tolerance
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:39:06 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I would like to hear how others are implementing (or might implement)
fault tolerance features on Foxpro/Lan. SQL servers do not count :-).
I know about Foxpro 2.0's support for Netware's TTS, which got some
bad press lately (InfoWorld): any comments? Has anyone used this
feature?

In particular, Foxpro documentation give dire warnings about not
QUITting. Is there any way to eliminate the hazards that result from
a workstation crashing before the "quit" command is given? C

Thanks.

Chris
From: rstanton@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: What is difference between LapLink XL and LapLink Pro?
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:59:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rr36mINN7sb
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: rstanton@garnet.berkeley.edu

With a new laptop computer came the offer of LapLink XL software for $45.
This seems like a pretty good price, but looking through Computer Shopper,
I can only find reference to LapLink Pro.

What is the difference/is this really a good deal?

Thanks for any information

Richard Stanton
From: bdellert@next-6.gac.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Re: $50 for an UPGRADE!!!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:38:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr15.093829.936

In article <92105.232623CDF1@psuvm.psu.edu>  writes:
> Amazingly, I am running Windows 3.0 on my 486 box and it doesn't do so bad
> on the whole.  But then I have thrown a 486/33 with 200 meg HD and 8 meg ram
> at it.  It should do better for the resources I give it.
> 
> But, the only reason I am using it is because it was free.  Bundled with the
> machine (and no discoutnt if I told 'em to keep it.)  I'm getting 3.1 free
> because I got my machine after 1 March.
> 
Also note that if Windows 3.0 came pre-installed on your machine, the  
manufacturer may send an upgrade to Windows 3.1 for less than $50 (eg Gateway's  
upgrade is only $40), making it cheaper than OS/2.  Unfortunately, not a lot of  
computers come with OS/2 pre-installed (IBM's fault).
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
From: burton@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (John Burton)
Subject: Re: $50 for an UPGRADE!!!!!
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.155205@IASTATE.EDU> btd@IASTATE.EDU (Benjamin T Dehner) writes:
>In article <92105.082129CDF1@psuvm.psu.edu>, Carl Fago <CDF1@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes:
>> Considering the sales of Windows 3.1 I think the question should be phrased
>> a bit differently... "When are the _consumers_ going to realize they've
>> been had?"
>> 
>> Microsoft seems to be doing a good job in that they are making good money
>> on the "$10 patch" for $50.
>
>	I think I was had.  I'm not impressed (with Win 3.1), and may start to
>seriously consider OS/2.  The only problem with that is that it is an IBM 
>product, and they have a horrible track record where operating systems are 
>concerned.  (How many failed RISCs?)
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Benjamin T. Dehner          Department of Physics and Astronomy 
>btd@iastate.edu             Iowa State University 
>                            Ames, IA 50011
>

Actually, I think there was only one failed RISC, the IBM/RT. I think
that was a poor engineering & marketing move. The current IBM RS/6000
is a powerful machine (one of the fastest on the market today) and the
AIX operating system is overall a very good UNIX implementation
(except they are a rev behind in the X11). OLD IBM I would agree with
you...apparently the RS/6000 group was given much freedom developing
hardware & software for a very good workstation, if this is typical
of the NEW IBM, then I just might seriously consider OS/2...(looks
like IBM's track record is improving)

John





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From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer
Subject: Re: MS C/C++ v7 - need info
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:22:49 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

In article <3535@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us>, aki@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
|> 
|> 
|> The best part about MS C/C++ 7.0 is the UPGRADE PRICE.  $139.  I asked
|> Microsoft if they wanted a disk or a manual page;  the answer to which was NO.
|> According to the MS salesdroid all you need to do to certify an upgrade is to
|> sign a (postage paid) card and send it back to them.  Cool.  The Win<>OS/2
|> wars are making it cheaper for us regular guys to hack around the PC.
|> 
Don't give OS/2 the credit on this one -- credit Borland.  They have owned the
C++ market for windows, and microsoft is trying to get it back.  I have seen the
beta version, but use will tell.  Although I hate to jump into first release
software, microsoft does run an extensive beta program before going to press.
From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Re: HOT NEWS! DOS 5.1 + STACKER....
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:16:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: Isis.cee1.702828992
Organization: Mississippi State University

I noticed that jknepley@isis.cs.du.edu (Ranseus (Jim Knepley)) wrote:

>In article <cee1.702675355@Isis.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans) writes:
>>Microsoft has announced it will add stacker to its MS-DOS 5.1 which should
>>be rolling out Sept/Oct 1992.
>>
>>They said, they are because that it 'runs so well with DOS 5.0'

>They meant "Because Digital Research is kicking our ass at our own game."  :)

  Exactly.

>>... end the 640K barrier
>   Oh, so DOS 5.1 will be protected mode?  Sorry, not gonna buy it.

  I guess I am not familiar with 'protected mode' what is that? would not
  it be better to have one huge lump of memory for everything to run in??

>>... countless other things that DOS should have.. how about a REAL
>>    ANSI.SYS driver
>   Just what constitutes a "REAL" driver?  Every ANSI.SYS I've seen works
>   fine.  I use Ziff Davis' because it can uninstall, but that's trivial...

  I mean to say a "REAL" ansi driver like NNANSI.SYS. Kicks butt and fully
  configuable to your system.

>>chuck

>Chuck, I'm not attacking you or intending to flame you in any way.  Just
>Microsoft.

  None taken, seems like Microsoft could get their act together..

  By the way, anyone Gotten OS/2 2.0 yet? how is it?

>Later,
>  Jim

  Much later,
   Chuck

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From: KECKME@PURCCVM.BITNET (Michael Keck)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: $50 for an UPGRADE!!!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:22:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

What really, really bugs me about Microsoft is they are charging $50 for
a patch.   Going from 3.0 to 3.1 is not a $50 improvement!!  Going from
3.0 to 4.0 is a $50 improvement!!  A .1 version upgrade is a $10 PATCH.

How many times is Microsoft going to shoot themselves in the foot until
they realize, "Oh my, what have we done now?!?!"

Maybe all the "Blood loss" has clouded their thinking.

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From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Atari ST disks <----> IBM DOS disks ???
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:12:09 GMT
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany

In article <1992Apr7.050509.24342@qiclab.scn.rain.com> 70465.203@compuserve.com writes:
>[...]
>This all works because the Atari uses MS-DOS directory structures!
>The only catch is that DOS requires the first sector after the index
>hole to be sector 1. The Atari ignores the index hole. That's why
>you need to format the disks on a PC...

I'm sorry, but this is totally wrong.  The only reason that one had to format
the disks on the PC was that the older TOS versions didn't write the boot
sector in a 'compatible enough' way.  

The ONLY thing required to make ANY ST DS DD 720 K disk PC-compatible is to
get a sector editor, and change the jump instruction in the first three bytes
(from "60 xx" to "EB xx xx", I use "EB 34 90"), and fix the media byte (the
first byte in the first sector of each FAT, usually found on sectors #1 and
#6, counting from 0) by changing it from F7 to F9 (all numbers in hex).

Of course, if you format your disks on the ST with one of the modern formatting
tools, the program does it all for you.

I recommend MDISK, which is a clever combination of RAM disk/copier/formatter
accessory.  It's free, and can be ftp'ed from varios atari servers.  It's also
included with the CS-TeX package.

-- Volker
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From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Address of PKWARE, Inc.??
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:40:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: upchrch.oLs7iB7w164w
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

eva@evapc.UUCP (Eva Marie Allen) writes:

> Does anybody have the address of PKWARE, Inc.? 
> 
> I recently acquired a copy of Pkzip and pkunzip (v 1.10) but when I sent
> the registration fee in to the address shown, it was returned by the Post
> Office as undeliverable.
> 

My new copy of PC Magazine has an Ad for PKZIP 2.0 on page 100. The address
given is:

Pkware Inc.
9025 N. Deerwood Dr.
Brown Deer, WI 53223
(414) 354-8699

PKZIP 2.0 is $47.00 + $3.50 S&H


(If your mail bounces use the address below. My map entry is new.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
From: rabe@enterprise.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Ralf G. R. Bergs)
Subject: Re: WPG Conversion
Keywords: WPG convert
Organization: RBI - RWTH Aachen
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:19:49 GMT

In article <moore.689735382@pv34c0.vincent.iastate.edu> moore@iastate.edu (Brian J Moore) writes:
>Does anyone know of a program available via ftp that will convert a Word
>Perfect Graphic file to BMP, PCX, TIFF, GIF, RLE, etc...

Image Alchemy!


Ralf
From: emace@tenet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: QEMM 386 6.00 latest ver?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 17:37:12 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Is QEMM-386 v 6.00 the latest version?  I thought I saw a version 6.01
or 6.02 somewhere.
From: bradleyt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Todd "Slan" Bradley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Re: $50 for an UPGRADE!!!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:06:32 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <92104.232242KECKME@PURCCVM.BITNET> KECKME@PURCCVM.BITNET (Michael Keck) writes:
>What really, really bugs me about Microsoft is they are charging $50 for
>a patch.   Going from 3.0 to 3.1 is not a $50 improvement!!  Going from
>3.0 to 4.0 is a $50 improvement!!  A .1 version upgrade is a $10 PATCH.
>
>How many times is Microsoft going to shoot themselves in the foot until
>they realize, "Oh my, what have we done now?!?!"

As many times as it takes before you and the other 3,000,000
Windows users cry "Uncle!"

Todd.
-- 
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The World, Supreme Ruler Of The Galaxy, AND Captain of The Flying 
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 (was Re: $50 for an UPGRADE!!!!!)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:31:57 GMT

jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle) writes:
>Just out of curiosity (I may upgrade to OS/2 but will _not_ upgrade to
>windows 3.1), can Superstor, stacker, etc. be used with OS/2 - or are
>there OS/2 versions of such disk compressors?  The idea of upgrading to
>OS/2 is tempting, at least until I can get a machine that LINUX will run
>on, but I'd hate to give up my disk compression!

Stac expects to have a beta version of Stacker for OS/2 2.0 out in the
early summer.
-- 
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From: steveg@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Steve Gabrilowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for a KEYSTACK with pause
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:42:47 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

In article <1992Apr8.131802.16744@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, winstead@faraday.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Holden Winstead) writes:
|> Hey All,
|> 
|> Is there a public domain utility which works like the 4dos keystack, but 
|> allows a time delay?  Specifically, I'm trying to set up my modem program
|> (Procomm) to dial school and login for me, but I need it to wait about
|> 1min after dialing the number to get the "connect 2400" signal before it goes
|> on.  Alternatively, is there another utility which might let me specify input
|> to a program as if I'm sitting there typing it in myself?

I think you're taking the wrong approach to solving your problem.  The "correct"
solution (IMHO) is to ditch Procomm and grab a comm program such as Telix which
has a very powerful script language, and then write a script to dial school and
login for you.

-- 



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I think I am
Therefore I am!
I think...



                            Steve Gabrilowitz
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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico de Vries.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Re: Address of PKWARE, Inc.??
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:32:06 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <73924@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:

>joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
>>
>>My new copy of PC Magazine has an Ad for PKZIP 2.0 on page 100. The address
>>given is:

>[address deleted]

>>PKZIP 2.0 is $47.00 + $3.50 S&H

>I take it then, that, PKZIP has gone commercial.  True or false?
There is nothing non commercial about shareware :-)
But serious PKZIP 2.0 will be free for all PKZIP 1.10 owners (registered)
, be downloadable, be shareware but also be available trough mail order.


>-- 
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From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: MS C/C++ v7 - need info
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:25:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.122159.5648@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>dea@informix.com (Robert Dea) writes:
>> They did not tell you that if you want printed documentation you need
>> to come up with an additional $150.00. So if you add the two together
>> it comes out to $279.00. Not such a good deal after all!!!!
>
>The only manuals not included with C/C++ 7.0 are the Windows 3.1 SDK manuals.
>At least as of version 2.0, Borland didn't include them, either.

Are you sure about MSC 7.0 including all manuals except the SDK?  This is
not what I understood from my roommate, who uses MSC for work, and is
going to upgrade soon.  I also find it very hard to believe that they would
charge $150 for just the SDK manuals!  I'm willing to be convinced otherwise,
but my belief swings against you right at this moment.

-- 
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"This isn't an argument, you're just contradicting me!"  "No I'm not."
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From: bjones@weber.ucsd.edu (Bruce Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,misc.wanted
Subject: nroff/tbl for PC wanted
Date: 10 Apr 1992 03:03:41 GMT
Organization: U.C.S.D. Department of Communication
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu


I have a PC that I use with MKS Toolkit.  I purchased the toolkit
several years ago and like it very much.  I recently upgraded both
my PC and my MKS license so that I could get more work done at home.
When I bought the original toolkit I also purchased a separate
utility called "NR" which approximates the nroff text processor.  It
works tolerably well for the straightforward work I need done.

With the new machine and toolkit I would like to do two things.  I'd 
like a newer, better or more complete nroff look-alike processor
and, even more importantly, I NEED a tbl pre-processor that runs on
a PC.

Is there such a thing out there anywhere?

Oh, as a post-script to the above, does anyone know where I can find
a Mr. Allen Holub?  He's the person who wrote the NR package
mentioned above.

Thanks,

Bruce Jones 			Graduate Program in Communication
bjones@ucsd.edu/bitnet		University of California, San Diego
(619) 534-0417/4410		9500 Gilman Drive
FAX (619) 534-7315		La Jolla, Ca. 92093-0503

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.programmer,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: MS C/C++ v7 - need info
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:21:59 GMT

> In article <3535@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> aki@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>> The best part about MS C/C++ 7.0 is the UPGRADE PRICE.  $139.

dea@informix.com (Robert Dea) writes:
> They did not tell you that if you want printed documentation you need
> to come up with an additional $150.00. So if you add the two together
> it comes out to $279.00. Not such a good deal after all!!!!

The only manuals not included with C/C++ 7.0 are the Windows 3.1 SDK manuals.
At least as of version 2.0, Borland didn't include them, either.

An upgrade from BC++ 2.0 to BC++ 3.0 (including Application Frameworks) costs
$199 US.  An upgrade from either MSC (any version) or BC++ (any version) to 
C/C++ 7.0 (including MFC) costs $139.  

At the minimum, Microsoft is at least as good a deal.  And unless Borland now
includes the (Windows 3.0?) SDK manuals, Microsoft is actually cheaper.

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