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From: Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM (Bob Beckwith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Recovering ROM monitor password
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:47:44 GMT
Reply-To: Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM (Bob Beckwith)

In article <1b39ajINNdub@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)  
writes:
> 
> In article <5361@rosie.NeXT.COM> Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM (Bob Beckwith) writes:
> >Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM
> >Digital Hardware Engineering
>  ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >NeXT Computer, Inc.
> >900 Chesapeake Drive
> >Redwood City, CA 94063 USA
> 
> 
> Since we've got you on the line, Bob, what's a day of work in your life like?

  I imagine it's not much different than anyone else's. I get up, shower, etc.,  
I go to work, I work for a while, I go home, I go to sleep, repeat. Every once  
in a while I find I need to grab a little nourishment.

  That may be a bit understated :-), but it is a fairly close approximation to  
reality.

  There are, of course, lots of fun things going on, most of which I can't talk  
about here, but they do serve to add a little diversity (and excitement) every  
now and then. A few of these that I can mention are things like getting to meet  
really interesting people who are doing really cool things with NextStep, and  
getting invited to their intro parties and various other functions. It's also a  
lot of fun to give demos to people (but that's something you can do even if you  
don't work here).

  The people here are good, and a lot of fun to work with. The work itself is a  
challenge, but can be very rewarding, and every once in a while it gets a  
little frustrating (sound familiar?).

> I mean, when you look around the lab, what kinds of equipment do you see?

  Not too surprisingly, almost all the systems are NeXT :-). There are also a  
few oscilloscopes, about a half dozen logic analyzers, a couple of signal  
generators, a prom blower, a rack full of video gear and a pretty decent stereo  
system (occasionally played at extremely loud levels after (almost) everyone's  
gone home).

> It's always interesting for us in netland to be able to sense and feel what 
> it must be like over there in Redwood City.

  I think NextWorld did a story (or two) on this a while back (I recall a  
picture of a bunch of hardware managers sitting on the stairs, and also a few  
lab shots). From what I remember, it was pretty good writeup (i.e. about as  
good as you could get, short of another "Soul Of A New Machine").

> Got any hardware you'd like to talk about ?-) :-)

  I've got some hardware I'd love to talk about, but unfortunately, right now I  
can't (if I want to keep working here :-). Maybe at some point down the road...  
(please don't ask me when that might be, I can't answer that one either).

  Sorry if I haven't answered all your questions for you. I tried! :-)

  --Bob

Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM
Digital Hardware Engineering
NeXT Computer, Inc.
900 Chesapeake Drive
Redwood City, CA 94063 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mp@augur.han.de (Mathias Pruestel)
Subject: Bla
Reply-To: mp@augur.han.de (Mathias Pruestel)
Organization: Pruestel Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:08:51 GMT

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From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re:  CRASHME crashes NS 3.0 in less than a second!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:13:46 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <1992Oct2.115924.763@glocke.hotb.sub.org> frank@glocke.hotb.sub.org (Frank Thomas) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.113425.27867@cs.yale.edu> pharr-matthew@CS.YALE.EDU
>(Matthew Pharr) writes:
>...
>>
>> matt
>Wrong! Yes it forks, and each son writes random bytes to KNOWN location
>and then tries to execute this random code. BTW I hope (and believe) that
>040 is ok but the OS is wrong.
>
>Frank

    Considering that the NeXT does not support resource limits in any way
    shape or form except for the stack limit, it's very easy to crash the
    machine.

					    -Matt

--

    Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
    1005 Apollo Way		uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
    Incline Village, NV. 89451	ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA 			Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
From: mjh@cs.vu.nl (Huisjes MJ)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT sans monitor
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:59:32 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam

Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews) writes:

} Monty Solomon writes
} > Is there any way to run a NeXTcube or NeXTstation without an attached  
} monitor?

} Yes, it's possible -- Dartmouth's e-mail and name directory systems are  
} running on six monitor-less NeXTstations (all in a huge black box,  
} complete with black UPSs and disk drives :-)).  The main problem is  
} turning the machine on and off -- the power button on the keyboard gets to  
} the motherboard via the monitor.  Our hardware guy designed the  
} NegaPixel(TM) display -- an on/off switch that plugs into the monitor  
} port.  A cheaper alternative is to use a paper clip to short the  
} appropriate pins (preferably with a stethoscope to tell you whether the  
} machine is running or not :-)).

} It may be possible to turn the new ADB-based machines on and off with just  
} a keyboard, but I suspect that the keyboard still plugs into the monitor.

} Jim Matthews
} Dartmouth Software Development

Yup, very possible. We have more as 100 NeXT stations running without
monitors. First, we also made a hardware shortcut with a switch that plugged
into the monitor port. Make sure you turn off the rom routines that check
for monitor/sound, etc at startup time, also you can't use the switch to turn
the machine off because it asks the "Are you sure you want to powerdown ?"
question on the (not present) console, you have to use the /etc/halt -y -p to 
correctly powerdown. Since all our NeXT stations are running as server to
some specific task our main objective was to have them running whenever
possible, it turned out that later version of the hardware had an option
in "Preferences" that allows you to specify that it should boot whenever
there is power(current) present, without waiting for someone to press the
powerkey. This is exactly the type of behavior you want from a server: even
if you have a power failure, as soon as it is resolved your server reboots !
It turned out that this option is present only in the newer version of the
NeXT stations and depends on the version of the clock chip on the motherboard
(and which, unfortunately, is not placed on a socket). You can still
powerdown but you have to be quick : issue /etc/halt -y -p, put your ear to
the machine, as soon as the fan stops, pull out the plug.
-- 
Maarten Huisjes.	mjh@cs.vu.nl (192.31.231.42)
			(..!uunet.uu.net!cs.vu.nl!mjh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: 3.0 FontPanel acceleration is broken (BUG!!?)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:38:03 GMT

Manuel Alberto Ricart writes
> BTW, what about adding all of that and a shelf on which to pop all of
> my favory fonts? - I have been asking for this for a while.

The shelf has so many functions it could be used in a number of different  
places.  For example, NewsGrazer (storing news articles or news folders or  
whatever) and Edit (allows one to not use the pasteboard as much if the right  
data is just a drag-and-drop away), just to name a couple.  Any place where the  
same or similar data is accessed frequently sounds to me like a good place to  
consider a shelf.  It's definately one of the unique features of NeXTSTEP, and  
I think it's really handy.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: burns@cc.gatech.edu (James E. Burns)
Subject: Problems with "open new window" disk option, 3.0 bug?
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Tech
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:10:11 GMT


I upgraded to 3.0 a week ago.  Yesterday, my PLI Superfloppy arrived
(less than 1 day shipping --- NeXTConnection is fanstastic!).  
[Aside -- I had been making do by borrowing a friend's machine to copy
floppies to optical.  With the ability to mount Mac disks, having
my own floppy drive became much more useful.]

Under window preferences: disk, there is a handy option to have
removable disks show up in separate windows.  This is a useful feature
since I usually insert a disk to copy to or from it.  With the optical
drive and 2.0, this worked great.  Using the same feature in 3.0 led to
some distressing performance.  In particular, when a Mac floppy is mounted
and pops up in a separate window, some actions in the workspace (e.g.,
renaming a file) cause the floppy drive to thrash around (sounds
something like it is doing an fsck).  This puts up the spinning delay
icon for about TWENTY SECONDS.  Note that this occurs even thought the
file touched is not on the floppy.

Since I did not have a floppy under 2.0, I don't know if this is new
behavior.  It also might not happen with NeXT formatted disks.
(I didn't think about that last night & so haven't tested the idea.)

So, is this a bug?  Bad design?  Is there a fix?

jim burns

--
James E. Burns    Associate Professor    (404) 894-3816  Fax: (404) 853-9378
College of Computing, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332-0280
Internet :  burns@CC.GaTech.edu  
uucp:	...!{akgua,allegra,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,seismo,ulysses}!gatech!cc!burns
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell)
Subject: Re: Workspace Disk Eject bug: Workaround available from NeXT
Summary: Fix floods console with Workspace error messages
Keywords: Engage
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:17:35 GMT

I got the fix and am using it. But now, whenever I change levels in Engage,
a bunch of messages show up on the console like

Oct 13 23:03:40 Workspace: window 52 already registered

which quickly fill up the console display. This is better than not ejecting
floppies, but pretty messy still. Is a cleaner fix possible?

Steve abell@netcom.com
From: pburford@next.com (Paul Burford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: HELP Upgrading 030 to 040 Turbo (Exception #5)
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: pburford@next.com

In article <1992Oct3.212330.9169@news.columbia.edu>  
ta-sav2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sean A Varah) writes:
> 
> I am trying to install an 040 turbo board in a formerly 030 cube.
> When booting it passes the system tests, then says bsd(0,0,0)
> booting from sd0a etc, but then the screen very quickly prints
> some information and then clears itself leaving only the line
> exception #5 pc (then some addresses).
> Does anyone know what exception #5 is? I'm running system software
> 2.1. 


The Turbo CPU board is only supported by NS 2.2 or 3.0, upgrade your OS to  
either of these and you should be OK.

Paul Burford
NeXT UK
From: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu (Greg Foliente)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: A NS Fairy Tale
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:29:56 GMT
Reply-To: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu OR pol2@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu

In article <sxjcb-081092091318@sxjcb.uacn.alaska.edu>  
sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers) writes:

	< Stuff about OS/2  deleted >
> NeXT has been mareketing NeXTStep for a long time.  Until they decided  
to
> approach the 80x86 market, they were a niche player with their hardware  
and
> software packages that could only be sold to people willing to try a
> completely different type of computer.  But now they're trying to  
compete
> in the real world with the big boys (I've seen an 'official' sales goal  
of
> 10% of Windows NT's sales -- this puts them on the same level of
> competition with NT as OS/2 is with Windows 3.x).  If they want to  
succeed
> and not repeat history, perhaps they should review it.
> 
	< Stuff about NeXT deleted > 

> Marketing.  Need I say more?  I've seen under ten NeXT ads total in the
> common market since NeXT came out.  Byte has given NeXT rave reviews on
> more than one occasion and I've never seen a NeXT add in Byte.  PC Week? 
> Forget it!  OS/2, Windows, and Solaris ads are everywhere.  Where is  
NeXT?
> 

Yeah!! I think NeXT should take advantage of all the good reviews it has  
so far received from the mainstream mags and use them for marketing (esp.  
advertising) purposes. Since these mags have a strong influence into a  
many people's mind (no matter what NexTies think about these mags), here's  
a modest idea I posted before:
	SunWorld logo here		SunWorld review quote here
	Byte logo here			Byte review quote here
	InfoWeek logo here		InfoWeek review quote here
	..etc				...etc
What do you think?
--
.................................................................
Greg Foliente                   NeXTmail: greg@brooks.async.vt.edu 
Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA                 pol2@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
.................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Recycler Stiff?
From: wisem@statnextm.byu.edu (Morgan D. Wise)
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:54:19 -0600
Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc,world

In article <1992Oct9.163244.15476@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.114539.9363@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea  
> Brooks) writes:
> > 
> > Has anyone else noticed with dismay that the recycler is no longer  
> animated
> > under 3.0? Doesn't "cycle".
> > 
> > 
> > Followup-To: 
> > Distribution: world
> > Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
> > Keywords: 
> > 
> 
> Hmmm. My recycler works just fine. We've now upgraded ~20 machines, and  
> they all seem to have animating recyclers as well...
> 
> --
> Adrian Smith
> University of Alberta NeXT Campus Consultant
> adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
> Audix: 5482
>  

Maybe you just didn't have it close enough.  The old recycler would start  
spinning when the icon was close to the recycler.  In 3.0 the mouse cursor  
has to actually enter the recycler icon before it spins.

--
Morgan D. Wise			wisem@statnextm.byu.edu \    NeXT
Dept. of Statistics		wisemor@stat4.byu.edu    >  Mail
Brigham Young University	wisemor@stat5.byu.edu   /   Welcome

As long as one being gets others to bow to him because he has the 
power to destroy them and all they have and all they love, then all
of us must be afraid together.
				-Orson Scott Card-
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: A NS Fairy Tale
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:46:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pundit.cithep.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct14.040026.6933@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:
> BUT, the tone in the press about NT has changed noticibly in the past
> two weeks from "Bill Gates is God and NT is his 32-bit Aegis" to "NT
> probably won't ship till late '93 and will probably be too volatile to
> use until early '94."
> 
> If I were NeXT I would JUMP on this.  Get those $80 SDKs out there!
> Pump the press.  Hold a developers conference!  Every ISV in the
> Windows and future NT market just **hates** Microsoft.  If they
> thought NeXTSTEP had a chance they would write software for it.  If
> people knew about NeXTSTEP they would ask for it, and the press would
> write about it.  Therein lies the problem.

If NeXT had a huge blowout advertising run now, they'd be in the same place as  
MicroSoft in three months - lots of complaints about buggy software and delayed  
ship dates.  I say NeXT should wait until they have a solid (NeXTSTEP 3.1,  
anybody :-) product out on the '486, and then blast away.  Don't get caught in  
a vapor war with Microsoft (or is that a land war in Asia?).

- Ernie P.
--
Ernest N. Prabhakar                  Caltech High Energy Physics
Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
"...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b
#import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA (Rob Parkhill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Less Memory in 3.0?
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:21:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: hobbes.199210162321.AA00176
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

Hi all:
	I've noticed a bit of a slow-down with my machine (8meg grey-station), and today when I 

booted up, I noticed that there is actually LESS usable memory than with 2.1!  It says that there
is 6.96Mb of usable memory, and I distincly remeber that in 2.1 it was over 7 (something like
7.12 Mb of useable memory).  So it seems that I need more but have less (hmmm, kinda like 

my cash flow :-)
				Rob
---
Rob Parkhill
rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.ca
(NeXTmail preferred!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: How do you spell S-E-R-V-I-C-E?
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:02:01 GMT

In article <lux.718508977@sol.UVic.CA> lux@sol.UVic.CA (Michael O'Henly)  
writes:
> 	I am impressed. Yesterday I got back after a long weekend and
> found that my six-week-old monitor had packed it in. I reacted with
> all the calm you might expect in someone who's at the early stages of
> an already-behind-schedule project.
> 
> 	At 7:15 AM, I left email for the Western Canada NeXT reps to
> try and find out just what kind of warranty I _really_ have. By 9:00,
> we were down to brass tacks on the phone. Before lunch, I was talking
> serial numbers with Sharon at NeXT in California... 
> 
> 	Before lunch today -- a mere 24 hours later, but a world away
> on lovely Vancouver Island -- I was sitting in front of a functioning
> replacement monitor.
> 
> 	My hat's off, folks (hell, my _shirt's_ off!). Thank you,
> thank you, thank you.
> 
> 	Michael.
> -- 
> Michael O'Henly                 
> McPherson Library                Internet:  lux@sol.uvic.ca
> University of Victoria                      lux@uvvm.uvic.ca
> Victoria, B.C., Canada             BITNET:  lux@uvvm

Sharon has been a great help to me, over the past year and a half, too!  She  
really cares about the customer.  NeXT needs more like her.

Jim
From: nether@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: New keyboard/mouse
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:41:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigboote.1ausv0INNrv6
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


Hi all,

	O.K.  I know that the new keyboard/mouse can't be
	used with older systems ... 

	... but ...

	How difficult would it be to develope/manufacture a 
	non-ADB system?  

	I'm not a hardware guru.

	Thanks!

	please reply either by e-mail, or by post 
	... NeXTmail always welcome!

	Joel Belog
	nether@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Plea to NeXT: Re: (Shipping packaging)
Summary: Plea to NeXT: Re: (Shipping packaging)
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:42:39 GMT

This is a plea to Next about their packaging, OR how to ship a monitor
so it will definately get broken!!!.

Recently, I purchased a NextStation Color 21 inc Monitor from a CC friend
in America.  It took 3 deliveries before Next could get him a monitor
that worked. (ie. the couriers destroyed the other 2)

Having finally got the 3rd one that was in perfect condition It was to my
displeasure that when I picked up my machine at the local airport there
was damage to my monitor.

The plastic edge near the class had been chipped and there was clearly
damage to the packaging itself which directly caused my damage to my
monitor.

The most annoying thing is how NeXT ship the monitor.

Inside the box,the monitor has two syrofoam supports one at the top and one at t
he bottom the screen is lies perpendicular to the ground.

They place the monitor in some anti-static pillo casing and thats it, there
is no attempt to protect the actually screen itself at all. To top it off
the boxes their equipment ships in are silicon coated ie. the gear slips
off on any uneven surface.

All the lies between the monitor, in its pillo case and the outside of the
box is about 4 cm of air. No foam nothing, hence if there was something
my monitor would have stood a good chance of not getting damaged. Unfortunately
the damage was not just cosmetic, when the montior switched on, I had a dead
pixel (right near the bottom where a penetration of the packaging occured and)
it was unfocused and blurry in patches directly underneath the damage which
had occured to the box.

If anybody knows anybody here in Melbourne, Australia that can take a look
and tell me wether its repairable then go right ahead, but I fear that this
damage is permanent.  Its still a fine monitor but the equipment was brand
new and thus It should have gotten here in one piece.  With NeXT's packaging
its didn't have a fighting chance.  I hope others can learn from this (and
somehow I can be helped, god knows how)

PS. You might say, well you are in Australia, what do you expect.  I say this
In this day and age if people cannot get a piece of electronic equipment from
continent to the other in one piece I think we haven't really accomplished much.

The point of this article is that with a bit of assistance/careful thought from the vendor the equipment would have stood a better chance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: HiddenWords, sndMucker, and artillery...
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:44:30 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <1992Oct9.004823.213@u.washington.edu>  writes:

>
>Make sure you uncompress from the command line and not using Opener.app.
>Also, permissions aren't preserved so you may need to make the thing
>executable before it'll work.


I did just this, and *still* can't get them to uncompress properly.

:(

--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Systems Engineer, NeXT Computer, Inc (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
Reply-To: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:11:28 GMT

In article <5350@rosie.NeXT.COM> Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger -  
Manager, International NeXT User Groups) writes:
> 
> 
> Relevant Experience:
> 
> - Advanced application programming in C, LISP, and FORTRAN (or
>      equivalent)

What is equivalent to FORTRAN ???? :-)

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: klenfest@cerberus.UWaterloo.ca (Kurt Lenfesty)
Subject: Re: Alternate monitors
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:10:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.151651.11629@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes:
> >Has anyone out there tried hooking up alternate color monitors to
> >the NeXT? The 17" trinitron is pretty steep from them and is available
> >from some of the mac mail order places for around $1200. Does the
> >NeXT monitor have any extra cable routing or extras like their  
monochrome
> >display does or is it just a color monitor with a standard cable?
> 
I purchase a Nanao F550i multiscanning monitor for my NeXTstation
colour turbo, but I ran into a lot of problems.  First was the
hookup cable - the 13W3, but also the NeXT does not do its signal
syncing on the same color as other computers (this was explained to
me by Nanao after I called them about problems getting the picture
to fill the whole screen).  Other monitors might not have this problem.
I'm glad I bought a third-party monitor - it works with other computers
quite well (I had both my p.c. and my NeXT hooked up to the same monitor
and could switch back and forth with the touch of a button).
NeXT is very unhelpful when you don't buy their stuff.  I don't like
NeXT for the service I have received in the midst of paying them
thousands of dollars.