From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Who's weakening the constitution?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:40:30 GMT

In article <13948@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan16.061022.1855@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>> In article <13906@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

># ## Which explains why the *real* leftist Democrats, Brown and Agran, were
># ## treated so fairly and seriously by the news media.

># #Actually, I think Agran received far more coverage than his little
># #campaign received, at least based on money and national recognition.
># #Brown, in any case, ran a campaign against special interest power
># #this time, making himself anethema to the left.  Brown stands for
># #nothing but Brown.

># Agran received coverage?  Besides on this net, where?  Brown echoed

>Every newspaper that I regularly read covered Agran's campaign.
>Far more than I saw any reason for.

Then you read different papers than I do.  You're from California,
right?  Perhaps he got coverage for being a local candidate.  But *none*
of the national papers, the Post, the Times, the Journal, or even
McPaper covered him in more than a "Oh, here are the other candidates,
they're kind of loony, but it makes a good human interest story."

># leftist rhetoric about special interests perfectly.  Perhaps, like Pat

>He did?  He was OPPOSED to special interests.  The left is nothing
>but special interests (not including, however, corporate special interests).

Oh, I see.  This is the redefinition of the language so that people are
special interests while those nice rich people that Republicans are so
fond of are Americans.  

># Buchanan, you think anyone more liberal than Adolph Hitler is a leftist, 
># but you're wrong.  Brown *was* the left.

>I think of Adolf Hitler as a leftist.  He believed that individuals
>didn't matter, and unlimited state power is a good thing.

Well, if you're going to redefine terminology, fine.  I think of Stalin
as a rightist.

># ## Anyway, we now have the claim that, despite the fact that the media was
># ## unable to defeat Clinton in the primaries, it somehow managed to defeat
># ## Bush in the general election.  This is getting sillier and sillier.

># #Not at all.  Unable to defeat one of the more conservative Democrats
># #in the primaries, they closed ranks behind the more leftist of the
># #major candidates.  It's the same reason that leftists who vigorously
># #attacked Clinton in the primaries voted for him in the general
># #election.  Do you really not understand this?
 
># As usual, Clayton, you missed the point.  I wasn't questioning the
># ideological aspects of your absurd claim.  I was questioning the
># logistics.  The press was unable to defeat Clinton, despite the extreme

>Yes, because of the reorganization of the Democratic Party by more
>conservative factions, such as Gore and Clinton.  After the 1988
>debacle, a decision was made to try and move more of the Southern
>Democratic primaries early enough in the game to influence the results
>more.  Did you miss that?

No, you did.  The reorganization of the primaries occured *BEFORE* the
88 election.  

It didn't help, though.  Dukakis, Jackson, and Gore were the only three 
real candidates, and Dukakis took the liberal wing, Jackson the leftist 
wing and the black vote, and Gore the conservative wing.   And in case
you don't remember, Gore still lost.

># measures they utilized, and yet they managed to be responsible for the
># defeat of a much stronger candidate, Bush?

>Bush wasn't strong anything.  Large numbers of conservatives (about
>1 in 5) voted for Perot because of disgust with Bush's leftist politics.

And large numbers of liberals voted for Perot because of disgust with
Clinton's conservative politics.  What's your point?

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