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From: wlamonac@bach.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Subject: Re: Ghost of Abe Lincoln
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:42:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.065157.14392@mr.med.ge.com> bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
>GJEST (guest@dhhalden.no) wrote:
>: In article <3744@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> pnh@fcsparc6.ncifcrf.gov (Paul N Hengen) writes:
>: 
>: >Hello. I've heard that the ghost of Abe Lincoln lives(?) under
>: >or around the Lincoln Monument in Washington, D.C. Does anyone
>: >know more about this? -Paul.
>: 
>: Yeah.
>: Since he is a ghost, he can't live.
>: Ghosts are dead!
>: --GH--
>Gee i would have thought that his spirit woul be either in the opera house,
>the boarding house across the street, or where ever he is burried.  I don't
>know how he could be someplace that wasn't there when he was alive.
>--

Actually, it must be true- a few years ago the National Examiner- the raggiest
of all thhe tabloids, ran an article stating this.  They even had pictures of
a tall tophatted figure walking up the steps!  That's good enough for me ;-)
Bill

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: westfall@ucs.ubc.ca (Valerie Westfall)
Subject: Seances
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:20:43 GMT

  Here's a couple of spooky experiences I had when I was a kid.  When I was
about 12 years old, myself and some friends decided to have a seance, to see if
we could contact Denise's grandmother, who had recently died.  We sat in a circle
holding hands, with a lit candle on a saucer in the centre of the circle.  After
some initial goofing off (making knocking noises with our feet, etc.), we got
down to serious business and called on Denise's grandmother to make her presence
known.  At that point, we all saw the saucer with the candle TIP towards 
Denise - it actually went on an angle of about 45 degrees, and then just as 
effortlessy righted itself again.  Needless to say, we all ran screaming from the
room and never had another seance.
   Another time I was at a friend's house and we were home alone in her basement, 
when we heard an awful banging from upstairs, like someone was throwing pots 
around.  We ran upstairs and sure enough all the kitchen cupboards were thrown
open and pots were strewn about the counters.  We immediately thought it was 
her sister playing a joke on us, so we ran outside, hoping to catch her hiding
out.  Instead we saw her about two blocks away, walking towards the house.  
It would have been impossible for her to run that far in such a short amount of
time, and besides, we ran to her to accuse her of trickery, and she wasn't out 
of breath at all.  No one else could have been in the house.....

Scarrry, so verrry verrry scarrry....Valerie

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Subject: Charter for alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:24:28 GMT

As the person who initially proposed this group and wrote the charter,
I'd like to repost it just in case people forgot what the newsgroup is
about with their discussions of scary movies, nuclear fallout, street
lights, and cinematography... :)

The charter of alt.folklore.ghost-stories is as follows:

Alt.folklore.ghost-stories is intended to provide a forum for discussion and
posting of ghost stories, both personal experiences and those which have been
passed on from others.  "Ghost stories" can include local retellings of the
"Vanishing Hitchhiker" legend, popular local ghost legends, personal experi-
ences, stories told to you in dark rooms on Halloween, classic ghost story
plot and narrative elements, and so forth.  The purpose of all this is to
allow those interested in ghost stories to discuss and enjoy them with one
another.
From: logemann@gambln.enet.dec.com (George Logemann)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: fireside tale that I can't finish
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:59:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Organisation: Digital Equipment Corporation


I recall one ghost story I heard as a kid, but am having trouble 
remembering all of it.  I'm wondering if someone can help with
the rest... 

This man is working in his garden when he smells smoke.  He looks 
towards his house, and notices that it is on fire. Apparently his 
wife is inside. The man tries to get in to save her, but it seems
that she has barred-up all of the windows and doors... a suicide. 
(not sure about this part  --  The man is so heartbroken, that he
too, kills himself.
Now I think the story is somehow ghost-related... like:
"Now you can hear the man at night crying out for his wife..."
  or
"The man can still be heard working in his garden at night..."
...or something stupid like that.

Has anyone heard this one? -- Can you FINISH IT?

I must have first heard this around the time of that Walton's
Christmas episode. That scared the living 80) out of me!!

Regards,
George.

| George Logemann -- george@bgm004.enet.dec.com                       |

| All views and opinions expressed are my own and do not neccessarily |
| reflect those of my clients or employer.                            |
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: I shudda known better
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:03:40 GMT

I'm reading this newsgroup while testing my code (yes, even on Saturday
night) before the software freeze on Monday when I see someone step up
behind me to pick something up from the printer.  At least I see someone's
foot and leg in the (far) corner of my eye.

Of course, there's nobody there.

I haven't totally lost it.  Rather, I'm just paying too much attention to
my senses.  The best example I can give is from a few years ago -- I was
in an extremely stressful situation so I did meditation in the evening,
stretched out on my apartment floor.

Once I was in a light trance, however, I could feel someone walking around
my apartment.  Not a very relaxing situation, when you live alone! :-)

In fact, I was picking up the vibrations from other people walking around
the building.  Normally I would never feel them, even lying on the floor,
because the carpeting muffled them.  But in a light trance, where I'm
much more aware of my senses....

I suspect similar things happen regarding 'ghosts.'  I don't know why
happened to make me see a foot and leg for a fraction of a second, but
I've noticed since I've returned to my office that the lights are flickering --
not because of anything paranormal but the tubes over my desk aren't
lighting fully.  I had noticed this earlier, but it _hadn't_ noticed
the flickering until after reading this group.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Subject: Re: Athens County Ohio Stories Wanted
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:51:36 GMT

In article <1SEP199210050522@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WILLIAM DEVOL) writes:

>
>This has gone on too long. I don't want to be known as a bore.  I have this 
>meeting on tape, and it still gives me the creeps.  I knew two people at 
>different times in my life that were tied to the same "haunted" house.
>If there is interest, I'll tell you the rest later.  It gets a bit stranger.

Tell us more!!!!

**Krista**

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Haunted Hospitals?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:04:45 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

I recently had occasion to spend a lot of time visiting a
hospital and it occured to me to wonder why there seem to be so
few stories about ghosts in hospitals.  It seems like there would
be lots here in America, since so many people die there.  'Course
one could make the argument that people who die in hospitals know
they are going to die, but not all of them do - trauma room
patients for one.
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories,dc.general
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Ghost of Abe Lincoln
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:51:57 GMT

GJEST (guest@dhhalden.no) wrote:
: In article <3744@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> pnh@fcsparc6.ncifcrf.gov (Paul N Hengen) writes:
: 
: >Hello. I've heard that the ghost of Abe Lincoln lives(?) under
: >or around the Lincoln Monument in Washington, D.C. Does anyone
: >know more about this? -Paul.
: 
: Yeah.
: Since he is a ghost, he can't live.
: Ghosts are dead!
: --GH--
Gee i would have thought that his spirit woul be either in the opera house,
the boarding house across the street, or where ever he is burried.  I don't
know how he could be someplace that wasn't there when he was alive.
--

  
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: Ingrid.Towey@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ingrid Towey)
Subject: RE: Ouija Boards
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:53:41 GMT

Like Jeffrey Yang Ho-See (jhosee@zeus.calpoly.edu), I have also heard you
should ask the following questions before communicating with a
spirit/ghost via a Ouija board for an extended time:

- What's your name?
- Are you a good or evil spirit?
- What are your intentions in communicating with us?

These questions were supposed to gauge if the spirit was "safe."  However,
once I thought about it, I realized that these questions had little or no
validity.  If people can lie, why would a ghost/spirit be any different?  
Moreover, a truly evil spirit (such as a demon) would have no reason to
identify itself as "evil," instead of "good."  Play at your own risk.

Ingrid Towey


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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: aharris@javelin.sim.es.com (Alan Harris)
Subject: Jean Baptiste
Reply-To: aharris@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:21:56 GMT


Back in the mid to late 1800's there was a man living in Salt Lake
City named Jean Baptiste.  Baptiste worked at the Salt Lake City cemetery
as a grave digger.  (This story is not fiction by-the-way. There are old
newspaper accounts of this.)  A little girl in Salt Lake died one day;
her parents prepared her for burial by dressing her in
a fancy dress that, if I remember right, her mother made for her.  A few
days after the burial, a member of the little girl's family went in a 
Salt Lake City store and was surprised to see the little girl's dress
hanging in the store for sale.  The family asked the store keeper how the 
dress got there.  The store keeper said that Jean Baptiste had traded it
for something.  In those days travelers headed west to California used to
stop in Salt Lake and often traded things like clothes etc., for supplies
because they had little money.  It was not unusual for people living in 
the city to bring things into stores that they had traded for from travelers.
The police were called in and found that Baptiste had been stripping
bodies of clothes and jewelry before he barried them.  He would trade the
clothes and jewelry at local stores, telling them he got the stuff from
travelers headed west.  The police
found that Baptiste had been doing this for some time.  People were very
angry when they realized that the bodies of their family and friends had
been robbed and were lying naked in their coffins.  Baptiste was put on
trial and convicted.  Instead of sending him to jail, the judge banished
him from society.  He was sentenced to live alone on antelope island in 
great salt lake for the rest of his life.  Marshals would occaisionally
check on him to see how he was doing, bring him food, and make sure he
was not trying to escape.  One day however, he disappeared.  Some say he
managed to build a raft and escape.  (seems hard to believe if you are
familiar with the island.  Not much there but grass and rocks and Baptiste
had no tools or rope to build a raft with.)  Some say he drowned trying to
swim to shore.  Anyway-  Here is the ghostly part.  The ghost of Jean
Baptiste is now supposed to haunt antelope island.  At night during a 
storm his ghost can be seen walking up and down the shore carrying an 
armload of dead people's clothes.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: samw@bucket.rain.com (Sam Warden)
Subject: Re: Street lights
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:58:34 GMT

bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:

>Another common trick in some areas is to program streetlights to turn
>off for 10% of the time.  This can save thousands of dollars in electric
>bills (_you_ try paying for all streetlights in a fair sized city) without
>seriously impacting safety (since adjacent lights will generally remain
>on).

Clever idea except that most of the streetlamps of my acquaintance
are, well, pretty dim.  (Sorry.  Couldn't help myself.)  :-)  I'm
thinking the cost of outfitting a city with lights smart enough to
do that with (which would have to be voted on) would justify (in the
administrative sense, you understand) alot of electric bills, which
are routine overhead.  Is this really done, outside of a few newer
subdivisions?  

The lights that salute when I walk by are all the old, dumb kind
as far as I know.  I'm afraid I'm leaning heavily in the direction 
of the `failing bulb' theory at present.

-- 
 
samw@bucket.rain.com (Sam Warden) -- and not a mere Device.
 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: prec@ellis.uchicago.edu (bruce lyman precourt)
Subject: Re: crop circles
Reply-To: prec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:31:48 GMT

In article <19920825123728CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.153617.13167@hubcap.clemson.edu>, on 25 Aug 1992 15:36:17 GMT,
>jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>
>>
>>What would be the appropriate list for discussion of crop circles?  I
>>don't think I have ever heard of them being associated with ghosts, so
>>where do you think I could pick up some discussion of the crop circle
>>phenomenon?
>>

>  I think they went over crop circles in alt.skeptic awhile back.

You mean sci.skeptic and/or alt.paranormal. Let's get back to ghost
stories here! (I wish I had some.)



Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy)
Subject: Re: Animal Instincts?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:45:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.154314.4466@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ingrid.Towey@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ingrid Towey) writes:
>
>....  However, when Raymond
>Fluornoy (flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) posted his message about his
>premonition that his mother was in trouble or ill, I was reminded ...
>
>A competent psychotherapist has suggested that dreams of this nature are not
>necessarily premonitions, but often mean that you are very angry with the
>person your are dreaming about.  ...

  Holy cow, Ingrid!  You're accusing me of hating my mother, on the
USENET?!  That's pretty low!  ;^)

  (Actually, if I had to do self-analysis, I would probably blame that
premonition/dream on Sophomore Slump.  I had it in spades.)

  Anyway, thanks for this possible explanation for people's
premonitions.  Unlike another poster, I actually like hearing these
competing explanations of phenomena.  More, more!


--Raymond Flournoy  (note spelling)
======================================================================
flournoy@cs.stanford.edu         "For reasons I cannot explain
Computer Science Dept.            There's some part of me wants to see 
Stanford University, CA           Graceland"               -- P. Simon
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ?
Keywords: Siritual growth
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:35:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick) writes:
	I think the point here was primarily suggesting the indians'
	practices of going to a spiritual place to fast and await
	visions.  Usually was for a 3-5 days.  I doubt they had pizza
	delivery brought to them...

... well, I was thinking more of medieval Christians (and sufis, and
others) who went off for years (there's a case of one, whose name I
cannot dredge up, who lived on top of a pillar).  As I recall, the
visions of American Indians were often assisted by peote, were they
not?

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: tom_repasky@mentorg.com
Subject: Fiction
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:19:03 GMT
Organization: Information Services

Don't call me,  I'll call you !
Every few thousand years, the earth and its inhabitants are visited by life
forms that exist within this energy domain.  These life forms were/are beings
that developed on a planetary system near the star system Alpha Centares. 
Their visit has coincided with major shifts in human consciousness.  The last
visit was somewhat unusual in that the beings left behind a sort of 'watchdog'
to observe the developing humans.  The watchdog was set to broadcast a message
when the human mind became sufficiently developed to understand the potential
role of humanity in the exploration of this domain.  The signal was sent nearly
thirty years ago.  I was sent to determine whether the humans were ready,
however, my craft was destroyed and I was forced to find a suitable host to
allow me to analyze the human mind and its growing powers of perception. 
Little did I realize, by entering a human host I lost my memory and mission.  
As a human I experienced awareness and perception, sensation and being.  Those
qualities of existence long since forgotten by my fellow life forms.  That's
when I became a 'renegade'.  A sort of 'devils advocate'.  And I began to
reshape the world based upon my view of reality.  Now as earth approaches the
year 2000, I have recovered most of my memory and my mission again is clear,
however, I also realize the mind of humans may never reach the level of
awareness to fully understand and appreciate this energy domain.  Despite the
many emissaries and teachers sent to earth, humans have progressed very little
beyond the capacities of their ancestors.  It is with sadness that I must
report back.   However, the humans make excellent pets.   Their desire and
skill in imitation is incredible.  I would highly recommend their use as hosts.
 Perhaps even more important, their lack of imagination and their inability to
perceive the energy domain in its native form makes them and their planet, the
ideal location for a Paradise.  The only caveat that I'm aware of is their
incessant obsession to externalize their origin.   I am sure you will find this
to be bothersome but an easy work around is possible.   Merely offer them the
opportunity to accept responsibility for their existence and they become docile
and easily managed.  As for myself, well, I've found one of the humans
particularly interesting and a clear connection has created a bridge between
our two peoples.  We will explore the potential of our meeting and once
securely bonded, we will encompass this energy domain, exploring together in
these human forms.  Once every few thousand years we'll return to earth and
observe the progress of the humans.  Until then enjoy Paradise.  
Yours Truly
God
From: jdporter@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:06:17 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <6c7m0hl.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
> 
>>Rick (Slater):
> 
>>I'm still waiting for your proof that humans created all the 
>>crop circles with 2x4s...
> 
>>In fact, could you prove that humans created ANY of them?  Now guys,
>>let's have him figure out this one by himself...
> 
>>Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.
> 
>>Rick
> 
>>-- 
>>Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
>>kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
>>AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
>>r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  
> 
> 
> *****
> Crop circles are created by alien spaceships...Not little old men carrying
> big sticks...Anyone who believes anything else is a nitwit and a fool...
> Linda Moulton Howe ran the designs through the computer of the guy who
> figured out Stonehenge, and they discovered mathematical equations, some
> of which we don't have...But I suppose those two dweebs know higher math,
> right??  SURE!!!
> 
> 	Gary Stollman


What precisely do you mean by 'equations, some of which we don't have'?  This
sounds very peculiar to me - after all you can make up as many equatioons as
you like, which nobody previously will have 'had' (if by that you mean wrote
down') but there's little chance they'll make sense - and anyway, no equation
does make sende without a context (unless it's something like 2 = 21 - 4)

Julian Porter
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ?
Followup-To: Charles' 
Keywords: Siritual growth
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:37:28 GMT


 Charles writes: "If you're talking spirituality, spiritual growth can only really
come when you know where your next meal is coming from".

What about people who went into the desert in order to attain spiritual growth by *not* knowing 
where there next meal was coming from?

			Regards,	 Paul

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors