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 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
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 Distinct Checks
 Freq's wanted for Tampa area
 Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
 Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
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 KENWOOD TS-790-A AND ATV ?
 Licensing changes for change of address?
 NASA Project Dante & Compressed Video?
 NASA Project Dante & Compressed Video?
 Need a 3rd hand for Soldering!?
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 Distinct Checks
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 Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
 Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
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 KENWOOD TS-790-A AND ATV ?
 Licensing changes for change of address?
 NASA Project Dante & Compressed Video?
 NASA Project Dante & Compressed Video?
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 Info-Hams Digest V93 #18
 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
 1200Mhz is not a microwave band!
 Amiga software questions
 CQ rtty experts...
 Distinct Checks
 Freq's wanted for Tampa area
 Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
 Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation
 info-hams
 KENWOOD TS-790-A AND ATV ?
 Licensing changes for change of address?
 NASA Project Dante & Compressed Video?
 NASA Project Dante & Compressed Video?
 Need a 3rd hand for Soldering!?
 Need a 3rd hand for Soldering!?
 Need a 3rd hand for Soldering!?
 New car causes RFI on 2M - Help!
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Who do repeater coordinators represent?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 01:47:52 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
Distribution: world
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That's all well and good theory, Phil, but who is going to build it?

BTW, when are you going to put your antennas up?  You've been living
there at least half a year and you don't have ANY of them installed yet.
	- Brian
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From: RSUMPERL@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM (05991 SUMPERL RP)
Subject: Collins R-388 receiver
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:12:34 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: Harris Information Systems Division

 I recently purchased a Collins R-388 from a US Government auction. I have
yet to fire it up. Can I get some comments on this receiver as to performance
vs the $150 I paid for it.


                                 Thanks,
                                  Ray
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 13:52:39 PST
From: <MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu FT 890AT HF Radio

Does anyone have any information, mods, secrets on the 890AT.  I have just
purchased this rig, and would appreciate any help or advice on using it.

Thanks

Michael Barbitta
KD6OAY
From: taylor@tix.timeplex.COM (Seth Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WWV Phone number?
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:23:28 GMT
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The delay on the PSTN (Public switched telephone network) over
inter and intralata facilities on T-1 (fiber, microwave or barbed
wire) is about 6.2 microseconds per mile, each channel bank (a/d
conversion from audio to T-1) is about 1.17 milliseconds and there are
2 per circuit, end to end. Then any analog voice facilities that
make up the circuit could add 0.082 millliseconds per mile.
Each switch machine (at called and calling end, depending on
switch could add 0.55 to 1.0 milliseconds per end. The fact is
that the delay is there, and may be difficult to calculate unless
one knows the exact make up of the phone call. The diference
between listening on HF radio, e.g. 5 Mhz and the phone line is that
the phone line delay should be relatively constant per call, whereas
listening on HF may vary due to HF propagation.

Seth T. KC2WE
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: License delays
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:31:45 GMT
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"NewsLine" reports this week the info that I posted before Christmas:

the FCC says its delay is at least 90days now. Plus VE and VEC delays 
you can say at least 120days from exam to issue. The also ask you not 
to call the FCC until at least 90days has passed and even then they 
won't be able to tell you anything unless you call after you've been 
enetred in the database.

Check you mailbox every Saturday morning!

72/73 Kevin, N7WIM / G8UDP
a-kevinp@microsoft.com
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From: greg@monty.b17b.ingr.com (Greg Montllor)
Subject: Re: County Hunter reports
Organization: Intergraph Corp 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:40:37 GMT

In article <1ifjbpINNt83@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, derry@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Derry) writes:
|> 
|> Could someone post the reports that county hunters use?  I've heard
|> "threes" and such and would like to know what reports they use and what  
|> they mean.
|> 
|> tnx es 73 de Jack, K9CUN    (County: VIGO, State: IN)

                   County Hunting Operating Standards

We use the standard RST system.  Unlike the DX standard, where everyone is 59,
in county hunting we strive to give reasonably accurate reports.

When you hear "threes" it would be a slang for R3, S3.  Each station always
repeats back the report they received, for verification by the other station or
a third party (net control, et. al.)

A typical exchange on the County Hunter's Net ( at 14.336 Mhz) might be:

  AC4WF:  "This is AC4WF mobile, county line of Madison and Jackson in Alabama.
            QRZ?"

  N5FSW:   "N5FSW"   (Call just once, always use your full call.)

  AC4WF:   "N5FSW, You're four, four, forty four."

  N5FSW:   "Roger forty four, you are three three, three three, go."

  AC4WF:   "Got the triplets, QRZ?"

According to the USA All Counties Award rules (sponsored by CQ Magazine),
the minimum acceptable report is a 22. The signal report is the key determinant
of a valid contact, and must be received directly.  Help on the call is allowed.

You might also hear, or have heard other slang terms for common signal reports:
  
  For 2x2:   "Two two", "Twenty two" or "pair of twos" are accepted.
             Hopefully you will no longer hear "Bang, Bang" or "Rifle-shot" 
             These are outlawed!  But under very marginal (ie 22 conditions)
             the words "bang bang" do cut thru the noise much better.

             For weak conditions, the preferred way is to count it out,
             repeating a few times: "One, two; one two; twenty two, over."

  For 3x3:   "Thirty three", "triplets", or a "pair of threes".

  For 4x4:   "Forty four", "magnum" or "pair of fours".

  for 5x5:   "Fifty five", "speed limit" or "pair of fives".

  for 5x7:   no common slang in use.

  for 5x9:   "Fifty Nine", "Five Niner" or "Maximum".        

BTW Jack,
  Vermillion County, Indiana, just north of you, is the last one I need in 
  Indiana, last one in 9-Land and one of my last 15 for all 3076.  If you
  can get mobile over there on 14Mhz or maybe on 7Mhz, let me know by email.

73
  Greg AC4WF  (ex N5FSW )
-- 
 Gregory Montllor   Mapping Sciences / System Integration & Implementation    
 mailstop IW17B4    Intergraph Corp.  Huntsville, Alabama  35894-0001 
 (205) 730-7249     greg@monty.b17b.ingr.com    or   ingr!b17b!monty!greg
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: On private repeaters
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:15:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1993Jan11.170139.26743@eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:
>The area from 440-442 is setaside for ATV, 442-445 are for FM repeaters, 
>and from 445-447 are control links and repeaters, and 447-450 are repeaters,
>leaving 446.0 as the sole and only FM simplex frequency allowed for in the
>ARRL band plan for 3/4 meters!

Looks like 445-447 does just fine, actually...There's nothing wrong with
running simplex on a control link frequency, and if 440-442 is set aside for
ATV, then the range from 445-447 doesn't do much good for repeaters with a 5
MHz offset. (Yes, I know there's no rule requiring a 5 MHz offset, but smaller
ones don't work well with commonly available duplexers, and some radios (most
notably MICORs) need 5 MHz if anything at all.)

Remember, further, that the ARRL band plan is only a SUGGESTION! In Texas, we
have some significant differences, which we adopted on the belief that the
ARRL made some serious screwups in the one they adopted; the most notable is
that we use 20 KHz channel spacing on 2 meters across the band.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
      "Science is all in the public domain, and allows few secrets."
              -- Tom Clancy, _The Sum of All Fears_
From: eer1@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: 800 Mhz Trunking
Date: 10 Jun 92 21:14:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Jun10.211439.12206
Reply-To: eer1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hello Folks,

PLEASE SEND RESPONSES TO eer1@midway.uchicago.edu

This probably does not belong here so I will keep it short.

I need to find out as much information about public safety 800 Mhz
trunking systems as possible.

Disadventages/Advantages-GE vs Motorola-Cost-Are the systems worth it.

One thing that is very important to note is that the area of use will
have many small hills and large trees (forest preserve)

Please send e-mail to eer1@midway.uchicago.edu

Thanks,

Paul-


                     MY FIRST RESPONSE

>From noiro.acs.uci.edu!mothra.nts.uci.edu!lockhart Mon Jun 15 15:31:07 PDT 1992
Article: 20096 of rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Trunked Radio Systems
Summary: What are trunked radio systems?
Keywords: Trunked Radio / Repeaters
Date: 11 Sep 91 06:30:33 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Within the last few years I have heard about trunked radio systems,
but know little about them.  This weekend one of my friends showed me
his trunked radio he uses with the sheriff's office.  Each time he
keyed up, the radio would beep three times from the speaker. He also
had a function on the radio was able to check if he was paged.

How are trunked radio systems different from standard repeaters?

-Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD
 Kansas State University 


>From usc!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!bobw Wed Sep 11 15:38:11 PDT 1991
Article: 7082 of rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bobw@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Trunked Radio Systems
Date: 11 Sep 91 14:10:18 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <kcre09INN8o1@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn) writes:
> Within the last few years I have heard about trunked radio systems, but
> know little about them.  This weekend one of my friends showed me his 
> trunked radio he uses with the sheriff's office.  Each time he keyed up, 
> the radio would beep three times from the speaker. He also had 
> a function on the radio was able to check if he was paged.  
> 
> How are trunked radio systems different from standard repeaters?

Trunked radios (sounds like a Motorola system your friend has) has a
series of repeaters at a single site. One of the repeaters is a
control channel with a continuous stream of data coming from it. The
mobiles read this data stream to determine the status of the site.
When the mobile wants to transmit it sends a data stream to the
control repeater which in turn assigns the mobile which repeater to
connect to. Each time the repeater unkeys the assignment may change.
The sites may have up to 20 repeaters linked through the central
controller. The 3 beeps mean that a channel assignment was made.

Each radio is given an individual unit id as well as a fleet id for
all of the units in the company. Each fleet is unique from every other
fleet. From the mobile unit there is no way to monitor other
conversations on the channel.  The control channel regualtes traffic
flow. Telephone interconnects are also handled through the control
channel. A repeater is linked through the phone line and attached to
the mobile. Depending on the radio a full duplex conversation can then
be started. Motorola is in the process of linking trunked (SMR) sites
together with data systems to provide a nationwide data communications
netwrok with mobiles. Trucking companies are the primary target for
this service.

Non Motorola systems use a different approach. The repeaters at the
mountain site each transmit a short burst of carrier at 30 second
intervals. The mobiles then determine which channel is available and
connect through a free repepater. Almost all of the smarts in these
systems are in the mobile. The Motorola system has smarts in the radio
and in the central controller at the repeater site.
-- 

===============================================================================
Bob Wood    WA7MXZ                      bobw@cc.usu.edu
Utah State University                   bobw@usu.bitnet
Chemistry and Biochemistry              tel. (801) 750-1614
UMC 0300
Logan, Utah  84322-0300

===============================================================================


>From ucsd!news-mail-gateway Wed Sep 11 15:38:15 PDT 1991
Article: 7097 of rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: benjamin@ee.tut.fi (Gr|nlund Pentti)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Trunked Radio Systems
Keywords: Trunked Radio / Repeaters
Date: 12 Sep 91 13:53:08 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology


In article <kcre09INN8o1@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn) writes:
>Within the last few years I have heard about trunked radio systems, but
>know little about them.  This weekend one of my friends showed me his 
>trunked radio he uses with the sheriff's office.  Each time he keyed up, 
>the radio would beep three times from the speaker. He also had 
>a function on the radio was able to check if he was paged.  
>
>How are trunked radio systems different from standard repeaters?

A trunked radio system is more like a cellular radio network.

All the repeaters are linked to an exchange and the system has
automatic channel selection and direct dialing. You can have a private
conversation with another unit or an open-channel "round-table"
between several units.  Some systems even have access to the public
telephone network.

A trunked system usually has several channels at one repeater site. 

Usually the main difference to a cellular network is that you don't
have hand-over, i.e. when you get to the boundaries of the coverage
area of one repeater the QSO ends. the trunked systems tend to be more
limited when it comes to the service area of one operator, too.

>
>-Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD
> Kansas State University 

Benjamin OH3BK


>From usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!anasaz!qip!john Thu Oct 18 09:44:55 PDT 1990
Article 22170 of rec.ham-radio:
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>From: john@qip.UUCP (John Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.ham-radio,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: CBS news irresponsible
Date: 16 Oct 90 17:16:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.ham-radio
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <7500034@hpfcso.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
]Re: News programs & scanner enthusiasts
]When scanners are outlawed, the news divisions of major networks will
]become outlaws! (unless they buy exemptions.....)

One very large local municipality (that shall remain nameless :-) is
moving a lot of traffic to trunked circuits that scanners cannot
handle very well. They are then supplying the media (NOT the public!)
with trunking radios programmed to monitor just those trunk groups
that the city thinks the media should listen to.

Trunking and low cost DES scrambling is going to really hurt those
of us who like to monitor police and fire.

-- 
John Moore HAM:NJ7E/CAP:T-Bird 381 {ames!ncar!noao!asuvax,mcdphx}!anasaz!john 
USnail: 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale,AZ 85253 anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
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>From noiro.acs.uci.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!ucsd.edu!brian Mon Jun 15 08:29:34 PDT 1992
Article: 20045 of rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
Subject: Re: Who do repeater coordinators represent?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:36:34 GMT

In article <1iimg8INNsdm@network.ucsd.edu> brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
>That's all well and good theory, Phil, but who is going to build it?

Theory in ham radio, perhaps. Practice elsewhere. Anybody with the
time and the tenacity who wants to can build it.

>BTW, when are you going to put your antennas up?  You've been living
>there at least half a year and you don't have ANY of them installed yet.

When I get interested in ham radio again.

Phil



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