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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.romanian,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Ismail, Bolgrad, Cahul and Gagauzia
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:48:53 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Alexander Mihai Popovici (mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU) writes in reply to me:
>The problem is that the separation of Transdniester was linked by
>the Moldovan president Snegur with the return of the three
>counties of Cahul, Bolgrad and Ismail.

Didn't know that.

>In my opinion he should have dealt with the two problems separately,

Agreed.

>Stalin created a new Soviet Republic of Moldova from Bessarabia
>and nothern Bucovina but excluded the three
>counties of Cahul, Bolgrad and Ismail which were given to Ukraina.
>...
>Erland, please don't try to rename all these regions that
>for hundreds of years were known under their Romanian names.
>The fact that you cannot find the names of the three Romanian
>counties on current maps is natural since the maps were redrawn
>in 1940.  Dont assume Ignorance is Power.
>Try something before 1940, or consult a history book.

Thankfully, when I got through the articles, Nick Sandru had already 
posted a correction to the first paragraph above, else I would have
to admit complete confusion. After all a Roumanian name give an 
impression of authority on an issue like this, doesn't it?

Still, "Kagul" on my modern map looks suprisingly similar to "Cahul"
and furthermore this city is called "Kahul" in my Austrian turn-of-
century map. Anyway, Nick confirmed my theory (mange takk, Nick!),
and it seems that Mihai has to go home to do his homework on what
is Moldova and what is Ukraine. (Sorry, I don't want to be snotty
here, but then again someone else was a bit snotty here, wasn't he?)

In any case, for the issue at hand we have some pieces of might-be
Roumanian land, given the present-day political realities they fall
in five parts which each should be regarded separately (although
they should not be considered atomic), and for practical reasons 
we need names to denote these areas. I prefer Northern Bukovina, 
Transdniestra, Moldova proper, Gagauzia for four northernmost of 
them.

For the fifth, which I originally called Southern Bessarabia in 
lack of anything better, I can very well accept Ismail and Bolgrad. 
(But many outsiders will not know what we are talking about). But 
I refuse to bundle Cahul with Ismail and Bolgrad, since Cahul 
obviously is in Moldova. And according to the one single map I've 
seen where the borders of the self-proclaimed republic of Gagauzia 
have been marked, Cahul lies within Gagauzia. I am however, wise 
enough to not take small map sketches in news papers as the final 
word so if someone says that Cahul is not in Gagauzian control,
I will have no objections. (Unless this person claims the same
about Komrat.)
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Macedonia and Maastricht
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:15:26 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Michael Polymenakos (michael.polymenakos@factory.com) writes:
>    Reality check: Denmark has already said 'NO' to Maastricht. All that
>    stuff about "Maastricht not being valid unless every country voted for
>    it" was ancient history long before the Macedonia vote.

Well, it doesn't look like they are scrapping Maastricht just
beause of the Danish NO, does it?

>    Maastricht will go ahead without one country. Why not two? If they
>    are going ahead without Denmark, believe me they would not have a second
>    thought about going ahead without Greece.

Actually, I haven't manage to grasp what will happen to Maastricht,
but in any case just dumping Denmark at the roadside is not easily 
done. To me it looks like they are trying accomodate Denmark in
some way, so there certainly seems to be good reasons to avoid more
troubles with Greece.

Then again, would France say NO in their referendum, Maastricht will
be dead...

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Life is wonderful when the wonderlife is full
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: A question on this Armenia stuff...
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:32:49 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <9208261942.A9414aw@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com writes:

> <1992Aug26.163927.11883@menudo.uh.edu>
> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
> 
> >> >  Looks like the first guy is off coffee break.  Things are back to normal.
> >> 
> >> So you've lied with your earphones on. 
> 
> >  What this means, I have no idea.
> 
> No batteries? I would be interested in knowing the source of the above drivel.

  More non-sensical statements.  

> >> Now when you have finished smoking
> >> I'd suggest you answer the points I've raised below.
> 

  Why?  You never answer mine.  You are easily the worst dodger, liar and 
avoider of reality on the net.  Fortunately, you are also very, very poor at
it.  I like you, Hasan.  It's nice to be able to wreck an opponent without
having to think real hard (every now and then, anyway).

> >  [deleted]
[deleted]

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: European language?
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:31:48 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

John Dryselius (etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se) forgets to break his lines and
types:
>My respond to this is that the best to do is to skip all official
>languages except English to reduce all interpretations etc. to a minimum.

Fallacy. Just because you reduce the number of official languages,
you don't reduce the need of interpretations. Just because you
make a decision, that doesn't change the state of affairs.

>Most people in Scandinavia already knows English sufficiently well and
>the same goes for Germany and the Netherlands.

But not for Spain, Portugal and Italy.

>I can't see any reason why
>Germans have to learn French and English or French German and English.

If Frenchmen and Germans are to make business, isn't it practical
if they speak each other languages? Introducing a third certainly
does not reduce the possibility for misunderstanding.

>But it would be nice to be able to travel in Europe knowing that
>most people speaks English.

Wouldn't it be even nicer to know that they speak Swedish?

>I understand
>that this will give the English talking countries an advantage but I
>think that since more and more (at least younger) people already are
>using English as a second language this advantage will disappear within
>about ten years.

When I was in Italy in 1983 I got acquainted with an Italian guy
who had studied English for eight years in school, just as long
as I had. Yet, he had severe difficulties to speak English.

>The gain of all people talking the same language is of course obvious.
>The reason to choose English instead of German (that is the largest EC
>language today) is also obvious. It is (unofficially maybe) the World
>language though not the largest but the most spread language.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. I can think of good arguments for German 
or French being better choices for Europe than English.

>So, what is your opinion on this. Should we have only one official
>language or reduce it to Englisg, German, Italian, Spanish and French
>or keep it as it is today?

Another possibility is to have no official language at all.

I think the only reasonable is to give some official status to all
major languages spoken, that is also inlucding Catalan, Sorbian
and over-looked langauges, since all languages should be taken 
care of. But for working purposes, some should be given more weight
than others. And looking at the statistics, four languages have
significantly more speakers than any of the other and that is
German, French, Italian and English.
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Life is wonderful when the wonderlife is full
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Macedonia and Maastricht
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

ES>Message-ID: <1992Aug23.221526.26452@enea.se>
ES>Date: 23 Aug 92 22:15:26 GMT


ES>From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
ES>Michael Polymenakos (michael.polymenakos@factory.com) writes:
ES>>    Reality check: Denmark has already said 'NO' to Maastricht. All that
ES>>    stuff about "Maastricht not being valid unless every country voted for
ES>>    it" was ancient history long before the Macedonia vote.
ES>Well, it doesn't look like they are scrapping Maastricht just
ES>beause of the Danish NO, does it?

  That's EXACTLY my point. They would not have scrapped Maastricht if
  Greece had said NO either. Down the drain goes the arguement that
  Europe turned down Skopjie to save Maastricht.

ES>>    Maastricht will go ahead without one country. Why not two? If they
ES>>    are going ahead without Denmark, believe me they would not have a second
ES>>    thought about going ahead without Greece.
ES>Actually, I haven't manage to grasp what will happen to Maastricht,
ES>but in any case just dumping Denmark at the roadside is not easily

  They are going to have to either go without Denmark, or severely
  revise Maastricht. In either case the scenario is equally complicated
  with 1 or 2 countries not participating, esp peripheral countries like
  Greece and Denmark.

ES>Then again, would France say NO in their referendum, Maastricht will
ES>be dead...

  That's for sure. France's absence would cut the EEC in 3. Open borders
  does not mean much when there are no common borders. :-(

ES>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

Michael.
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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Patriotism and silliness
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>
>From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
>So they did, but why would the Greeks (or any other nation, for that
>matter) want to behave in a silly way just because the Americans did?
>(You may call it "silly", I would call it "monstruous", but that is a
>different matter.)

 1. Regardless of the politics involved, wrapping a 30-story building
with a 12' yellow ribbon is silly, not monstruous. Besides, in my
original posting, I mentioned similar acts of silliness regarding the
Olympics. My local pharmacy had on all it's receipts printed : "BRING
HOME THE GOLD" and other stuff about the US Olympic team. Why is this
display of patriotism monstruous?

 2. The message "Macedonia = Greece" is not hostile towards Vardar. It
re-affirms the feelings of the 2,000,000 Macedonians towards the
Greek nation as a whole, and v.v.

 3. Greece has no business in Vardar. I agree and 99% of all Greeks
agree. That's why Greece is trying to resolve this through diplomatic
means only. What is wrong with that? We are prepared to accept the
result of the diplomatic exchanges taking place, whatever that might be.
But there is no reason not to try to resolve this through diplomatic
means. The tremendous success that Greece has had is proof that the
Greek points appear valid to most (97%) of the worlds leaders.

Michael.
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Hasan B Mutlu: anagram
Date: 25 Aug 92 10:50:59 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>Speaking of anagrams, perhaps we could create "alt.subhuman" for Mutlu
>postings?

Alt.fan.mutlu seems a bit more appropriate.
Anyone know how to do this? Alt.fan.* groups seem to pop up regularly so
it must be fairly straight-forward.

Dave
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: The hypocrites
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:58:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.025703.28917@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun) writes:
>
>Are you kidding?  Turkish arm forces are the only reason
>why Cyprus was never turned out to be today's Bosnia.
   
   Who told you that it didn't Mr. Akgun ? You seem to forget some facts easy.
   Back in 1974....that black summer of 1974. 
   What was Turkey's reasoning?
       To secure the Turkish Cypriot minority (18%) . And it did that by
       occupying 37% of Cyprus (after killing, burning, raping and making
       refugees 200,000 Greek Cypriots - or 1/3 of the population).
       No, that wasn't today's Bosnia. It was 1974's Cyprus.
  What is Serbia's reasoning?
       You guessed it. To secure the Serbian minority [which doesn't
       seem to be a minority at all].

Was there any military action against Turkey, despite all the UN resolutions
condemning the occupation of 37% of Cyprus? NO
Should it be any military action against Serbia ?   You answer that.
>C. Akgun

Regards,
Theodore David

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From: aldo@ips-server.Eng.Sun.COM (Aldo Castillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: making diplomas acceptable in 29 countries - help
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:55:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ips-server

Hi Alice,

This query should also be posted in soc.culture.spain.  Good luck!

Aldo

In article <1992Sep02.222557.38420@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
>I have been asked by an American who is a resident of Spain and living in
>Spain now to help her find out about a process by which her university
>degrees can be made acceptable in Spain.  She is applying for a university
>teaching position where she has taught before on a teaching exchange
>program.  They cannot hire her for the regular position without this
>process.
>
>All she has been told is that her diplomas must be 'notarized' by the
>university where she studied or in that city and that they must then go
>through a process carried out by th 'secretary of state'.
>
>I assume that by 'notarized', they mean an official copy of the diploma
>with the seal.  
>
>Does anyone know if that is correct?
>
>By the 'secretary of state', I assume they mean the documents must be
>somehow processed in Washington , D.C.
>
>Has anyone had any experience with this process?  She needs this before
>October 1st.  ;-)  And we don't know exactly what we are doing.  She said
>she was told that her diplomas would then be acceptable in 29 countries.
>
>Thanks for any and all info!  
>
>Alice
>
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Well One Of Them Is Blatantly Lying, 'CNN' or 'Mutlu the Pornographer'
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:06:27 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

>>Do try and keep up with the times dear boy. While I appreciate it may be       
>>somewhat difficult for you living, as you do, 70 years in the past it would 
>>help if you maybe tried to follow more recent well-publicised events. {The
>>demise of MNS}

 

>'Omorning the Crook.' Even before the war began, in August 1914, the 

Typical 'Mutlu the Pornographer'. When faced with a subject he feels            
uncomfortable with, he quickly switches away throwing in a whole grab bag of    
events, in the hope that in the confusion...oh, you know the rest of it Hasan   
you've posted this 'kyoot kwoat' often enough. Address the question I posed.    

>That is the result of spending nights with 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM,
>'Mid-Morning Express.' But, speaking of 'porn-peddlers'...

Yes indeed, speaking of 'porn-peddlers', how is Cosar? Does he *really* have thewhole 'Beppin' series as his forged posting said?

C'mon Hasan, you can do better than this, name that film.


Dave


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From: morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten Kjeldgaard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:30:55 GMT
Organization: Aarhus University, Denmark

I think the greek have to decide for themselves whether they want to become
a european country, or remain a balkan one. This nationalist nonsense is
going to far. One is more and more tempted to believe that the people of
the balkans are complete lunatics.

/Morten

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Langelandsgade 140, DK-8000 Aarhus C, Denmark
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From: benjamin@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Benjamin Renaud)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: It's really too bad they butchered the job....
Keywords: Armenians: Mutlu Go fuck yourself.
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:29:10 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


Yes, i mean, it's too bad they didn't get Mutlu in the imaginary
killings of all these poor Turks.... I will go on my grandparents tomb
and yell at them.. you know, they were Armenians, they fled their
homeland...they had interesting stories about what happened there.

Mutlu, (and its multiple alter ego and other of his ilk) you know what
to do,

Benjamin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: A question on this Armenia stuff...
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:39:27 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <9208242000.A9467OE@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com writes:

> <1992Aug24.132348.16461@menudo.uh.edu>
> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
> 
> >> >  This is NOT the same person who responded to my earlier posts.  I do not
> >> >believe it.  The style is different, the word use is different, the 
> >> >insults are different--and I think the writer is different. 
> >> 
> >> I'll respond when you back up your 'moronian' claims. In the meantime,
> 
> >  Looks like the first guy is off coffee break.  Things are back to normal.
> 
> So you've lied with your earphones on. 

  What this means, I have no idea.

> Now when you have finished smoking
> I'd suggest you answer the points I've raised below.
  [deleted]
> Hasan B-) Mutlu

  I might, oh Hasan, if you bothered to answer mine.  What happens to the 
displaced Armenians, who are guilty of no crime but living in what you claim
is your land?  Will you "cleanse" them?   And the government in Armenia in
1914 is not the same government we have today.  There was this small matter
of the Russian Revolution in 1917...


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: lawriew@runx.oz.au (Lawrie Waller)
Subject: Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:22:59 GMT

In article <morten.714655713@oase> morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten Kjeldgaard) writes:
>I don't understand why this debate has gone completely out of proporsions.
>Macedonia is a landscape north of the Aegean sea. It has never been an
>independent state, but always split between Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia
>(Yugoslavia before) and in the old times, Turkey. 
>
>So, now in the turmoil of the breaking up of Yugoslavia, the inhabitants of
>the Yugoslavian republic of Macedonia want to form an independent state in
>a part of the landscape named Macedonia. They want to call their state The
>Republic of Macedonia. There is a greek province in another part of the
>landscape called Macedonia as well. So? Big deal. I think we can handle the
>difference. 
>
>Then some netters get all uptight about some star of Alexandre the Great or
>something alledgedly being stolen by the new Republic of Macedonia. What's
>the big deal about a star? It's just flag for crying out loud!!! Stealing a
>STAR?.... give us a break!!!!!!
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AND POST THIS RUBBISH TO THE CORRECT
NEWSGROUPS! SHEET Australia has enough problems of its own-like having
Pope Don Pauli as Prime Minister-without being endlessly and
mindlessly bombarded with those of other nations.          
>
>/Morten
>
>--
>Morten Kjeldgaard  ~ morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk ~ mok@kemi.aau.dk
>Biostructural Chemistry, Department of Chemistry, Aarhus University
>Langelandsgade 140, DK-8000 Aarhus C, Denmark
>Phone: +45 86 12 46 33 ~ +45 86 20 27 11 x6752 ~ Fax: +45 86 19 61 99


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