From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Lebanon corporation?
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.191916.25249@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.121923.9100@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
>("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
>What I think is sad about this discussion is that it has become centred on the
>person of Hariri.
>
>In fact we can do little about the nomination of Hariri. We can complain, maybe
>today we can be heard (Hallo .... Bill? anybody there?  :)   ), but the issue
>is more about ourselves and our own attitudes and plans for Lebanon.
>
Elie, please excuse my tone and ther is nothing personnal in what I will say.

What is sad really is not that the discussion is centered on Hariri, it is sad
because some of us are (and myself included) have become so weary of each other
and the trust between us is well below zero.

In any country in the world, it is true we have systems but the leader and 
his personality does play a role. It is your right and you are entitled to
question Mr Hariri, who is he, what he has to offer, what are his plans.. etc
But it is not your right neither of any of those deeply suspicious guys to come
and try to undermine his reputation and his good intentions under the cover of
uphelding democracy, freedom of the country ...

Dr. Hoss was unknown to all of us, suddenly he turned out to be the outstanding
premier we ever had. 
Is it too much to hold your breath for a sec.? Your president, good many of 
your xtians politicians including the Pat.) have welcomed his NOMINATION and
WANTED him to become the PM of the country.

My feeling is that some of the guys can't accept that a PM should
have any credit in building the country. They don't want a good person to come
so they can always question our loyality to the country.
This what really lies behind all this smear campaign that comes out in various
masks.

You have never bothered about presidents who had well established connections
with outsiders (France, Israel, USA..), you never bothered about about the
millions that were squandered from our central bank, you never bothered that
our countrymen wake up in the morining and head for the rubbish mountains in 
order to find something to sell and get some bread to their families.

All what is bothering you is the guy is rich (as if he is the only one who has
got, try to look a bit around you and you can find many Lebanese who have 
and some of them have made their money from palying in the exchange market) so
you question his connections with the outside, you don't find any scandals of
his own so you want guaranties that his associates will not mess around and you
make histerical demands which only show that you have no trust in anybody and
and you are not even ready and willing to give a proper chance.


This is what is sad about it and you are completely right, WE NEED A CHGANGE
OF HEART. 

Have you heard about Nature VS Nurture? This what it is, Some people tried very
heard to conceal their feelings and at the end, their Nature prevailed.


>The question is really the following:
>
>How are we going to build Lebanon and when?
>
>Mr. Hariri may be the right man at the right time, but are we the right
>population for the right country?
>
>Our friend Marc, who posts less and less nowadays  :( ,  once asked the
>question: do we have politicains who are less corrupt than we ourselves are?
>
>We see ourselves as the future of Lebanon, and we manage to raise a lot of dust
>in talking about how our politicans and how all the other groups in Lebanon
>have messed up. Yet we never manage to hold a adecent discussion (yet things
>seem to becoming better) about what we really want with this Lebanon of ours.
>
>Yes, where do we draw the line (Hariri or not)? I need not repeat all my
>questions again I am sure some have enough of me already!
>
>>>Victor E. Saouma
>>
>>I. Ballouz
>
>elie wardini

I.Ballouz

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