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From: tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari. Why Bo
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:32:40 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <1jhlcvINNgma@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>> In less than a month, there'll be the LC III, with better graphics (8 bit
>> on 16-inch monitor, which means more than 640*480), full 32-bit databus,
>> 25 MHz 68030, 4 MB of RAM (expandable to 36)... and all that for less than
>> $1500.

Hmm.....I had thought it was a 32Mhz 030.  Since the rest of the stats jive
it just must've been my quick read of MacWeek.

>$1500!?  Eeek!  This could cause problems if the price really is
>this low!  (Which is REALLY cheap for a mac'!)
>
>Wasn't the LC-II about $2500!?  (!?!?)

No, it was NEVER that expensive, it was always 1500 or so.  Now, with the
release of the LC III, Apple said that since the LC II sold so well
they would keep it and sell it for $1000.  Sorry for more bad news.

>
>Probably uses SIMMS as well 8-(  (Unlike these odd RAM boards)

Yes to confrim you fears, it uses SIMMS.

I think this bodes some serious problems for the Falcon.  I mean the LC II
isn't the best computer in the world, but it's a Mac and except for the
Falcon's awesome sound, is very comparable to the Falcon. (Except it has
a real expansion slot.)  Since it is selling for essentially the same price
as the Falcon (in it's 4/65 configuration) I think Atari is going to have
to do some serious marketing to sell it to anyone.  And considering I have
only talked to ONE person who didn't already own an Atari who even knew
what a Falcon was (and it blew my mind...HE mentioned it first!) I think that
Atari has it's work cut out for them.

Right now our campus computer store is selling a IIsi 3/40 for $830 (w/o
monitor and keyboard).  Of course it's the normal Apple "Buy them cuz we
ain't gonna make no more" blow out sale.  But this is NOT the kind of thing
that Atari need right now. 

Just venting some steam.  Has anyone seen a Falcon for sale commerically in
the US yet?  Canada?  Apple's DSP board is comming. Tick. Tick.  Apple's 
Handwriting extention is comming.  Tick. Tick.  Power PC chips are rumored
to be $50 per with machines due out by years end (Byte).  Tick. Tick.
Apple's has geared from High Profit/machine to Low Profit/Machine + high
Volume and still made money.  Tick. Tick. Color Mac portables coming. Tick.
Tick.

Is this bomb gonna blow before Atari wakes up?  I mean Apple might be the
second best vapor artist in the business but they usually do deliver 
eventually (and not all of it will fail to suface.)

-- 
Ted Brown		tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu
			tbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: MultiTOS on 68000
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:45:14 GMT

In article nRcB2xBcxlw@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca, >
>[1] "Real Soon Now" is (c) 1986 Atari Corp.  Microsoft has been served
>with papers; Atari is suing them over the use of RSN in their Windows NT
>product.

hahahahahaha!  That's a good one, Chris!  Can I use this or will I get sued? :)

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From: tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex (ADVOCACY)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:54:42 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <11856@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:

>You work it out.  That's EXACTLY what his statements mean.
>
>Of course, it's not what he meant - he just loves flaming.  Roll on c.s.a.a!

I'm wondering how much of the recent flame fests are just that...people
who love to argue.

I mean the simple facts (as I see them) are:
	- '486 machines are getting mighty cheap nowdays
	- if most of us *really* thought they were better we'd be posting
		in comp.sys.ibm.pc or comp.os.os2.misc
	- The Falcon is a nice computer with some neat things especially
		in the sound department (if you're a musician
		you're probably salivating....)
	- Just because it's good doen't mean a thing
	- The Falcon still has plenty of hardships against it:
		o Atari makes it and people pick on them
		o Atari makes it (and they market so well....)
		o Those '486 boxes get cheaper all the time
		o Apple is actually starting to sell computers at only 
		      slightly outragous prices (LCIII 4/80 1379 ?!?, got
		      this off one of the mac bases so who knows)
		o Hey the price on that Falcon looks a little high too
		      (Assuming a 4/65 is $1300, sure hope that's closer to
		       $1100 than $1300)
		o Atari makes it (so important it's in here thrice!)

Of course the main point is that Atari (and the Atari community) just can't
put our heads in the sand and ignore PC and Macs ( *warning! cheap shot
coming*)(But we can ignore the Amiga).  I haven't seen some of the new crop
of Atari software but I haven't heard of anything that quite competes with
Excel or Word let alone Quicken and the host of CD-ROM stuff that abounds
for the PC and the Mac.

But, there also seems to be some neat stuff coming out for the Falcon
Blackmail, a Genlocking Video Titling thingy, better MIDI software, and 
better paint programs.  I wonder if anyone is doing ISDN on the DSP.
(It's possible because it's done on the NeXT with *less* DSP memory).
There's also the rumor of a Falcon 040 and a CD-ROM Falcon (which might
be able to run CD-I stuff).  But I guess we really should try to go
vapor for vapor with the PC/Mac world.  If you think Atari is the master of
RSN you haven't *ever* listened to Microsoft (You know what NT stands for?
Not Today, Not Tommorrow.  Next Tuesday.....)


Oh golly.  How can one post so much mindless drivel in one night?  Easy
when you're stuck in a lab with *nothing* to do, you post drivel right?

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			tbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gfarrell@cs.sfu.ca (Gordon James Farrell)
Subject: Re: Can I run an ST or a Falcon as X-terminal?
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: tp
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:30:22 GMT

In article <H.eg.Gcm4hqRltZY@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes:
>	One of the biggest buyers locally for the ST a few years back was a
>Government research lab that used ST's as terminals for their mainframe.
>They found the ST was cheaper than dumb terminals for the machine, and
>could be used for local proceessing as a bonus. I wonder if a

This reminds me, when I was doing a co-op term a couple of years ago at
the Dominion Astrophysical Observatory, they were using STs as vt100/Tektronix
terminals for their Sun server (they weren't using Uniterm, though...I think
the programme was called VT650).  I'm not sure there are many left, at this
point, as they were slowly being replaced by Sparcs.

Just a little Atari trivia...
>
>
>-- 
>		 John Henders
>		 Vancouver,BC
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cpb1001@phx.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown)
Subject: Re: A1200
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:53:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.150322.2869@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
|> This is not meant to start a flame war, and it is probably best to resist from
|> following up if at-all possible.
|>   I thought a few ST users (and would be Falcon users) would be interested to
|> know that there are several problems with the A1200.
|>         1) The modulators have a habit of failing after an hours use.  One guy
|> in c.s.a.h is on his 4th because of this problem, and several others have had
|> more than one replaced.  As far as I know this problem has not been ironed out
|> yet.
|>         2) Misc. display glitches.  These appear on all machines when using
|> certain monitors and the problem looks here to stay.
|>         3) Under-powered PSUs.  Some early ones cannot handle HDs.
|>         4) Keyboard problems.  This appears to be a serious problem, which
|> might not be fixable.  Symptoms are keys sometimes not responding and keys
|> registered as pressed after one pressed later is.  This basically means you
|> can't use the machine for wordprocessing unless you can't type.
|> 
|> The other problems I reported earlier seem to have been fixed now.

It does seem that the early 1200's had a few bugs, but I bought one a few weeks
ago and none of this has happened to me.

Don't know about the modulator, since I'm using a monitor, but I havent had any
display glitches, my PSU is powering an 80 meg Harddisk, and doesn't even get
warm after several hours use, and my keyboard works perfectly.


Chris Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: Is there SLIP software for the ST?
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:22:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.062650.12340@zooid.guild.org>
Mike Stramba <stramba@zooid.guild.org> writes:
 
> Is anyone using / know where I can find SLIP software for the ST?
>
>Mike
>
 
Hi!
 
I am using slip from the ka9q-package.
tcp/ip (incl. slip) can be obtained via anonymous FTP from
"ftp.tu-clausthal.de" (139.174.2.10) or via mail to
"mail-server@ftp.tu-clausthal.de"
 
cd /pub/atari/telecomm/tcpip
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Amiga Rules
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:08:09 GMT
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <C15Fp5.K5z@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, by odonneln@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Nicholas Odonnell):
> All you Atari owners should dump 'em and buy an Amiga 1200 today.
> 

Oh No ! My faith has been shattered !
I obey your every command oh great intelligent one.

Yeah right.


Antony.

Norwich Atari User Group.
Associations of Atari User Groups.
Dolphin Software.
Great Britain.
From: s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Why Atari can't succeed in the United States
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:18:28 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl) writes:


>Jon,

>I don't understand.  Could you please explain your reasoning behind
>your statement that the Lynx puts Atari on firm financial ground?

>Perhaps you haven't heard that Toy R Us has dropped the Lynx?
>Maybe you didn't know that Toys R Us was Atari's biggest purchaser
>of the Lynx?  Toys R Us has over 35 percent of the toy market; the
>toy market is a multi-million, if not billion, dollar a year
>product market.  And Atari lost this major business account.

>Because  Toys R Us dropped the Lynx, their competitors don't have to 
>carry the Lynx any mor; and this is exactly what is happening.
>Babbages, Eletronic Boutique, Kay Bee Toys, etc, have cut back or
>stopped handling the Lynx.

There was a very interesting tv program on recently about Japanese trade
practices and how they are making it very hard for Americans to break into
their own markets. One case in point stood out - a new hand held game system
(don't remember which) was to be carried by Toys R Us until Nintendo stepped in
threatening supplies of its entertainment systems unless Toys R Us dropped the
product. 

Has Atari been stepping on Nintendos toes?

>                   Pattie Rayl
From: jthomas@access.digex.com (Joe Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Weird question about the parallel port
Date: 24 Jan 1993 14:24:40 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com
Summary: Does Spectre emulate bidirectional serial comm over printer port?

I'm using Spectre GCR to do a lot of Mac word processing, as well as
downloading things from my local Internet provider.  I rely on the fact
that the Spectre software turns the Mac serial printer port output into
parallel output on the ST's printer port.  Running MultiFinder I can print
in the background over the printer port and download at the same time.  I
want to go to a serial printer (well, it's more complicated than that, but
I'll explain later), and I'm wondering if I can keep using the printer
port, running the output through a parallel-serial converter.

Has anyone used a parallel to serial adapter on the Atari printer port to
drive serial devices?  
 
I know Spectre internally converts the Mac OS's serial output intended for
a Mac printer port into parallel output, but is anything done for input? 
Is this even a reasonable question? (I don't know of any bidirectional
parallel devices, although I have seen ads for bidirectional
parallel-serial converters.)
 
The GCR manual doesn't go into a lot of depth as to the nature of
Spectre's internal serial-parallel conversion.  A one-way (output only)
conversion would be sufficient to drive parallel printers, but wouldn't
work at all if I tried to hook up a serial device that needed to be able
to talk back.
 
 (Actually, my ultimate goal is even more complicated, involving directing
Spectre printer output through a null-modem cable into a 486 box running a
Unix clone, where a daemon process will handshake like a LaserWriter,
accept the PostScript output, and pipe it to GhostScript, a free Gnu
Public Licensed PostScript emulator... but that's some time in the future)
 
Joe
From: dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: (was Re: Falcon)
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:02:20 GMT
Organization: ASTRAsoft, Stoke-On-Trent England.

In article <H.ea.EDk4FXZWpMQ@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>, cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:
|> In <1993Jan21.142427.3114@aber.ac.uk>, Herbert Martin Sauro writes:
|> > This months UK Atari User has a two page spread by Atari, advertising 
|> > the Falcon and ST Applications are hoping to have a reivew of the 
|> > Falcon next month.
|> 
|> Who's going to see it other than current Atari users?
|> 
|> Atari needs to put a two-page spread into BYTE or MacWorld/MacUser (I've
|> seen adds from _IBM_ [not cloners] about multimedia systems in the Mac
|> magazines) or something.  With the dwindling numbers of current Atari
|> users, the Falcon is going to FLOP if we're the only ones that know
|> about it.
|> 
|> -- 
|> -------------------========================================-------------------
|> Chris Herborth
|> cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca

Yeah, a good amount of advertising is essential. Do you think the magazines would
take more notice of Atari if Atari advertised in them thus giving the some dosh?
I'm inclined to think that some adverts in say Computer Shopper or possibly
(though less useful these days) PCW would be a really smart move on Atari's part.

David
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:27:02 GMT

In article <1jkfpeINNr5j@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.122015.25870@email.tuwien.ac.at>, nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos) writes:
>>I agree! A comp.sys.atari.st.advocacy group should be
>>created as soon as possible!
>
>WHo thinks that this would actually help!?  People are going to be
>abusing the posters of messages in this group.  If no-one posts in an
>advocacy group, there won't be anyone to flame, so they'll just come
>straight back to c.s.a.s!

If a c.s.a.s.advoc group existed then responsible netters who occasionally
indulge in flame wars can use this group for any inflamitary followups, and
irresponsible users can be put in kill files.
  I am currently considering putting several people in my kill file because
they tend to contribute to flame wars, but I don't want to miss anything
useful they might have to say.
  I think a general review of the atari newsgroups should take place once
we see how popular the Falcon is(n't).  Perhaps a c.s.a.falcon should be
created to deal with Falcon specific postings and possibly multi-tos on other
machines.

****************** CREATE comp.sys.atari.st.advocacy NOW ********************

- Leo
From: lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: NEWSFLASH : FALCON RELEASED
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:40:54 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

stigvi@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Vidar Hovland) writes:
: In article <jorngh.366.727480750@dhhalden.no>, jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:
:  > 
:  > Yeah, you read right ! Two Falcons were actually released
:  > in UK yesterday, it was supposed to be three but one machine
:  > was D.O.A. The UK Atari manager was nevertheless pleased and
:  > stated that this proves Atari's dedication to the market. He
:  > also gave hopes of five (yes five !) new machines in the next
:  > few months, and an additional 30 (!) cute beasts if he managed
:  > to sell his flat in south London. The production barracks in
:  > Iraq is currently working in high gear too keep up with the
:    ^^^^ 
:  > demands.
:  > 
:  > And a last thing, this is a rumour. It may not be entirely true.
:  > 
: 
: If UN and USA could stop bombing these barracks, we probably would see
: more Falcons in the (near) future.
: 
: Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no

In that case, BOMBS AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: NEWSFLASH : FALCON RELEASED
	<1993Jan20.131541.7755@ugle.unit.no>
	<1993Jan22.134501.594@doc.bmd.trw.com>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:37:34 EST

In <1993Jan22.134501.594@doc.bmd.trw.com>, mfallero@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:
>   I'll tell President Clinton to stop the bombing because you want
> to buy a new computer.  I'm sure he'll see that your new Falcon is
> much more important that forcing Saddam to comply with the treaty
> Iraq signed at the end of Desert Storm.

Well, given the state of the US economy (and ours, courtesy of Free
Trade), it might not be such a bad idea...  Stimulating sales of
_something_ should be more important than playing, "We'll bomb you at
will!  We are POWERFUL!  Bwa-ha-ha..."

Hmm, maybe this should be in alt.fan.desert-storm or whatever...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: IBM CORPORATE LOSS
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 08:44:43 GMT
Organization: The CServer at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:

> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
> 
> >	"IBM has so many employees worldwide that if they were all in one
> >	place and that place was called a country then it would be the fifth
> >	largest country in the world."
> 
> >	"IBM has so much money in the bank that the interest alone can pay
> >	those peoples wages such that they could stop making computers
> >	tomorrow and still keep everyone in a job if they had a mind to."
> 
> China     = 1000M
> India     =  866M
> USA       =  252M              [CIS excluded - it's a collection of countries
> Indonesia =  193M
> Brazil    =  155M
> 
> So, let's say IBM has at LEAST 156M employees.  (though I've probably
> missed some other HUGE country somewhere, like Australia :-]) 
> Warwick
 
 Yes you did Warwick, there is a major factory in Wangerata in NSW with
 the head office in Sydney.  The NSW factory produces among other thinks
 AS400's, PS2's etc etc 


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From: jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Profibuch (was Julian Reschke involved...)
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:35:33 GMT

apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled) writes:

> (Julian F. Reschke) writes:
>> (William Rosenkranz) writes:
>>> (Sander Stoks) writes:
>>>> Boy, am I looking forward to the Falcon Profibuch!
>>> 
>>> will this be available in english?
>>
>> Probably not, because currently there are not enough possible
>> customers to justify the translation costs (more than 1500 pages
>> of technical text -> expensive!).
>>
> i'm not so sure. There are a lot of English speaking countries; Britain
> and the States. i would think that there would be sufficient demand to make
> it worth somebodies while.

Right! Not to mention all countries who's inhabitants don't speak German
but *do* speak (or at least can read) English.

And besides, doesn't computer jargon write much easier in English in the
first place! It took me some context switching to figure out that the
German word "speigern" means "to store in memory" although that's
not the fault of the German language but more of my limited knowledge of
the language :).

Jan van der Steen (anyway a profibuch owner)

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From: s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030... FAQ...NOT
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:01:40 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

Q13 Can I buy a Falcon?
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