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From: gwc@root.co.uk (Geoff Clare)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Arbitrary text blocks (Was: VI??? GROSS!)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:23:43 GMT
Organization: UniSoft Ltd., London, England

bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:

>This thread has come full circle.  Here is my summary so far:
>A. says "vi can't handle rectangular blocks"
>B. says "yes it can; here is the arcane code to do what you want to do."
>C. says "That's so arcane; a good editor would do it much more transparently"
>D. says "Well, if you really want to do stuff like that, use a spreadsheet
>         or word processor; vi is an editor"
>E. I post three examples of tasks that are not suited to a spreadsheet or
>         wordprocessor but where easy handling of rectangular blocks would
>         be useful.  I didn't say vi couldn't do these things.  I just
>         wanted to illustrate that these are not tasks that are suited for
>         spreadsheets or word processors.     
>F., G., H., ... all post some arcane vi code or suggest using Basic (!!!) to
>         perform these tasks.

Given the volume of discussion on this subject, perhaps I should draw
people's attention to the following two lines from the recent regular
posting listing the goodies available from the worldwide VI archive sites.

blocks             - Block- delte, move and copy. Sep 24 1991. Geoff Clare.
blocks.d.Z         - Explanation of the blocks-macros. Sep 24 1991.

These macros handle rectangular blocks in just the way you'd expect.  You
mark the top left and bottom right corners (and if copying, the top left
for the new location), and a single command does the rest.

(If the archive maintainer is reading this, perhaps he could correct the
typo in the listing - "delte" should be "delete".)
-- 
Geoff Clare <gwc@root.co.uk> (USA antiquated mailers: ...!uunet!root.co.uk!gwc)
UniSoft Limited, London, England.   Tel: +44 71 729 3773   Fax: +44 71 729 3273
From: bevan@cs.man.ac.uk (Stephen J Bevan)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Anyone use SAM?
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:56:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester
In-reply-to: pete@minster.york.ac.uk's message of 11 Nov 92 12:27:29 GMT

In article <721484846.9186@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

   I (bevan@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
   [ asking why people like sam ]

   (1)	It's small 
   (2)	It's fast
   (3)	It has an orthogonal command structure
   (4)	It does what I want it to do, without the need for me to write
	   a pile of silly macros or Lisp functions.

I agree with the first three.  The fourth point is one of the problems
I have with it: in a couple of cases it doesn't do what I want, and
there is no simple way to extend it.  A prime example is knowing
something about the indentation of languages.  I write a fair amount
of Scheme and I find it tough going in sam.  Maybe I've been spoilt by
previous editors or maybe it is part of Pike's philosophy that the
editor should not help with indentation ... etc.

bevan
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Free DIALOG on the internet?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:42:44 GMT
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From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
Subject: Literature searches using the Internet?
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I'd like to perform a literature search. The sort of thing we used to do
at a library with volumes and volumes of indexed abstracts (like the 
Engineering index for example). Nowadays we use CD databases, and for
the most current and up to date info, our librarian dials a mob by the
name of DIALOG in California somewhere, for on-line searches. 

It occurs to me that such a facility may well be on-line on the
internet somewhere in the glorious day and age of ours. Am I right? 

Thanks,

Bernd.
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: HELP
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Subject:  HELP! NEED INFORMATION
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From: goren@vms.huji.ac.il
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Subject: HELP! NEED INFORMATION
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:16:44 GMT
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   HELP!  NEED INFORMATION!

     CAN YOU HELP?  WE ARE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE IDEAS!

WE ARE A CENTRAL SCIENCE LIBRARY.
Searching data bases is one of our important services.

At present, we search online.(connect time is very expensive)

At present, we subscribe to CD ROMS.

We want to expand our services  and are interested in alternatives
such as data bases on magnetic disks that can installed on computers
on our campus.

Any information or suggestions?

Does anyone have information about Dialog's services in this matter?

Waiting to hear from you.
THANX!

our email address is :  GOREN@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Re: card catalog programs?
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From: wollborn@helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de (Michael Wollborn)
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To: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu
Subject: Re: card catalog programs?
Cc: wollborn@helios.tnt.uni-hannover.de
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Have you ever tried "bibcard" ? Ask archie where to get it.

Hope this helps, Michael


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From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Re: Free DIALOG on the internet?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:50:20 GMT
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To: takefuji@donEdu
Subject: Re: Free DIALOG on the internet?
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Hello-

I don't believe that information from DIALOG is free
anywhere--on the Internet or not.  DIALOG Information
Services is a commercial enterprise headquartered in Palo
Alto, CA.  This company acts as a sort of information broker
and provides access to some 380+ databases--all for a fee.
It is a pay-as-you-search operation.  It is arranged this
way mostly because DIALOG doesn't 'own' most of the
information it provides access to--the publishers with which
DIALOG contracts 'own' it and therefore get a piece of the
price that DIALOG charges the user.

All this i not to say that tsources
besides DIALOG for the information you need that are
avaree on the Internet.  I would be interested
to hear if you find about any.

Hope this helps.

-Barbara

barbara@edstar.gse.ucsb.edu
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
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Subject: Re: Free DIALOG on the internet?
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In article <1ek46kINN5o5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, you write...
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>From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
>Subject: Literature searches using the Internet?
>Message-Id: <1992Nov17.032318.15734@cc.uow.edu.au>
>Organization: University Of Wollongong
>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 03:23:18 GMT
>Apparently-To: comp-internet-library@munnari.oz.au
>Status: R
>
>I'd like to perform a literature search. The sort of thing we used to
do
>at a library with volumes and volumes of indexed abstracts (like the
>Engineering index for example). Nowadays we use CD databases, and for
>the most current and up to date info, our librarian dials a mob by
the
>name of DIALOG in California somewhere, for on-line searches.
>
>It occurs to me that such a facility may well be on-line on the
>internet somewhere in the glorious day and age of ours. Am right?

Yes.  I believe their address is dialog.com.  You would no doubt save
substantially on communications charges, but using Dialog would NOT be
free.


>
>Thanks,
>
>Bernd.
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
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Subject: Re: online reference database project
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:49:50 GMT
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In article <1e4e8vINNaee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yos
hiyasu Takefuji) writes:
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>In an article in comp.sys.sun.apps, pete@egh-qc.uucp writes:
>> we are looking for an OCR system to scan in references from journals
>> for our laboratory reference filing system.
>I have long thought that a database of cross-references would be very
>valuable.  
>I'd like to see, first, someone doing just what you propose -- scan
>references and maintain a database of backward- AND forward-
>references, as a proof-of-concept project.

   This sounds like the service you get with citation indexes,
   like the Social Science & Humanities Citation Index, and the
   Science Citation Index. 

   They list say, everybody who quotes Freud....
   Suspect these dbs are already out in CD-ROM. There are big bucks
   in this stuff.

-- 
--- 
       "We cannot think without imagining."  -- Thomas Aquinas
            cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia on online internet?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:59:24 GMT
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To: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
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I am very sorry to say that the encyclopedia that was accessible
through
LawLib is _no_ longer available.  How quickly things change on the
Internet!
My apologies!!!
Peter
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
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Subject: card catalog programs?
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From: rh398@csc.albany.edu (Rich)
Subject: card catalog programs?
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 Hi...

     Does anyone know of a card catalog program on the internet?
I have about 5000 books to catalog.  Thanks.


 _---Rich rh398@thor.albany.edu
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
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Subject: Re: Conference on Electronic Delivery (USA)
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will provide an opportunity for sharing techniques, ides, and
results of scholarship with colleagues interested in quality
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This year, the symposium is being sponsored by The University of
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From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
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From imoss@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU Tue Nov 17 22:10:57 1992
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For those of you people intersted in ERIC, online Encyclopedia's etc..
I recomen
d the Carl network as on the the best only free services offered.  The
network
consists of more that just one library.  The whole network has many
that go 
from coast to coast.  Some require that you be a student or have a
library card
at some of the sites, but many servies do not.

   telnet  to  ucb.carl.org     or 192.54.81.121


   Ira Moss
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
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Subject: Re: Conference on Electronic Delivery (USA)
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In article <1e0k26INNb65@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, you write...

>I am looking for details of a Conference on Electronic Delivery which is to be
>held in USA later this year or early next year.  Would appreciate it very
>much if you could let me have any info on such a conference.
>

There's a dual "Electronic Document Delivery/Internet in Libraries"
conference coming up in December (Dec. 7 & 8, I think) in Philadelphia, PA.
I don't have the details right here, but I believe it's sponsored by
Meckler Publications.  Is that the conference you're interested in?

*****************************************************************
Carol Sullivan, Systems Librarian
Air Force Institute of Technology Library
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, OH
csulliva@afit.af.mil
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From: jcl@deshaw.com (Jonathan Laventhol)
Subject: French Library Catalog on Internet?
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:38:52 GMT

Hello/Bonjour --

Can anybody tell me whether there are any French libraries on
the Internet?  Specifically I want to telnet to a catalog.  I'm
told that many (most?) libraries with online catalogs put them
on Minitel, but I hope for a direct connection.  I'm hoping
that the beautiful new Biblioteque de Bordeaux is connected.
(1 million items; new building; catalogue terminals all over.
Mmmmm.)

Reply by direct email please.

Quelq'un peur me dit si il-y-a aucun biblioteques francaises
sur le reseaux Internet?  Je veux utilise un catalogue avec
telnet.  On m'a dit que plusieurs (plupart?) des libraries avec
un catalogue sur ordinateur lui mettent sur Minitel, mais je
desire un connexion direct.  J'espere que la belle nouvelle
Biblioteque de Bordeaux a une connexion.  (1 millard de choses;
batiment nouveaux; beaucoup des machines de catalogue.
Delicieux.)

Respondez par email direct, svp.

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Jonathan Laventhol
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Newsgroups: comp.arch
From: snyder@ricks.enet.dec.com (Wilson P. Snyder II)
Subject: Re: DEC Alpha AXP System INTEGER Performance
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Hudson, MA.
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:03:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.055833.14566@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>Greg Pavlov (pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu) wrote:
>The bus clock for alpha is much lower. If I remember correctly it is only
>half that or even worse(33Mhz?).
>	With 64 bits, the amount of data and instruction that can be cached
>is much smaller so the internal cache is not as effective as many people 
>thought, especially in this newsgroup.

Er, not really.  The bus clock (called the system clock) is a integer
multiple of the cpu clock period.  IF you have a 6ns CPU, the less
aggressive path is to choose say 30ns (*5) to give a 33 Mhz bus.  Of course
the faster machines such as Laser do much better.  (I don't know the
number.)

Also, the cache access is NOT based upon the system clock.  You program the
cache read and write timing seperately as a number of cpu cycles, which is
normally able to be faster then the system clock time.  One system I know
of with a 30 ns bus has a 24 ns cache read loop (for 6 ns CPU),
 others can do better.

-Wilson Snyder
Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.misc