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From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: Clouds?! (was Re: the best)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.183312.27344@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>
laubach@hpl.hp.com (Mark Laubach) writes: 
#It makes perfect sense to me.  My space is the space I'm in right now.
#Under canopy - I don't want someone else wrapping themselves around my
#face.

Then the proper thing to do is "See and be seen".

It is hard to do either when flying into a cloud. 

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: the best
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:31:40 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: romulus!cd.amdahl.com!drp40

Monday August 24 1992, romulus!cd.amdahl.com!drp40 writes to Skydive:

 rac> then you're just plain *stupid*. As with the hook turn issue, here we
 rac> have a great example of an experienced jumper setting a rediculously bad
 rac> example.

There was a good example of a hook turn at Quincy.  A cameraman did a
hook turn into a dumpster, shattered his right leg, lost a knee cap,
a couple compound fractures.  My wife and i did a tandom jump that day
and decided to continue on in the sport and learn to skydive.  However
we will not be doing any hook turns.


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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Article
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:17:11 GMT

In article <733.2AA4B36C@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)


>I'm on my way to buy it now.  :-)  Seriously, thanks for the input.  I have
>only 4 jumps, and have been told I am doing extremely well, but I will NOT let
>that go to my head, as I am still aware of the dangers involved.  However, I
>do not have a subscription to Parachutist (yet), and would not have known
>about this article till now.

you should be able to find a copy floating around the DZ. ask a JM.

tim
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Boogie Ad (correction)
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:36:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsnet.751.2AA60EE0

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!zia.aoc.nrao.edu!dbriggs

 r> Drat it!  That'll teach me to use techno toys for no particularly good
 r> reason.  The OCR software changed an 8 to a 3 in the 
 r> post office box number.

Hey, that's because you didn't use it properly.  One step in the OCR process is PROOFREAD.  <G>

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From: traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com
Subject: Check out these lyrics...
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:49:01 GMT

	Check out these lyrics to the song "High Speed Dirt" from Megadeath's CD
"Countdown to Extinction" (you'll have to imagine the appropriate heavy metal
accompaniament):

Do it if you dare
Leaping from the sky
Hurling through the air
Exhilirating high
See the earth below
Soon to make a crater
Blue sky,  black death
I'm off to meet my maker

Chorus:
Energy of the gods, adrenalin surge
Won't stop til I hit the ground, I'm on my way for sure
Up here in the air, this will never hurt
I'm on my way to impact, taste the high speed dirt

Paralyzed with fear
Feel velocity gain
Entering a near
Catatonic state
Pressure of the sound
Roaring through my head
Crash into the ground
Damned if I'll be dead

Chorus

Jump or die!

Dropping all my weight
Going down full throttle
The pale horse awaits
Like a genie in a bottle
Fire in my veins
Faster as I go
I forgot my name
I'm a dirt torpedo

High speed dirt...

Copyright 1992 by Screen Gems-EMI Music Inc./Mustaine Music/Vulgarian Music
(BMI).  All Rights Controlled & Admin. by Screen Gems-EMI Music Inc.  All
Rights Reserved/International Copyright Secured/Reprinted Without Permission.
From: bleck@aztec.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Clouds?! (was Re: the best)
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:25:20 GMT
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <JWA.92Aug26013741@vipunen.hut.fi>, jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt) writes:
|> 
|>   Here in Finland they have asked the drivers, how good they
|>   think they are. Guess the result: about 90 % of them said
|>   they are better than average. Does that make sense!?


Of course it makes sense!!  And it's exactly the problem!!!!  Everybody
*thinks* they are an excellent driver, and thus assumes they have the right
to drive wherever they want on the road.  If the 5/9ths of those people who
said they were better than average would realize that they in fact suck at
driving, and thus stay in the right lane where they ought to be, or better
yet at home (take a bus, lady!) then we wouldn't have any problems!!!!


Massachusetts, *nobody* is in the right lane!  Except that's where I prefer
to drive, since it's faster... I wonder how many people know that it's
illegal to pass on the right in most states?  What's a guy supposed to do?

-Olaf
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Why is 25-100 jumps a dangerous transition time ??
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:13:04 GMT

In article <734.2AA4B36E@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
>Fido-To: romulus!stout.atd.ucar.edu!n
>
>Tuesday September 01 1992, romulus!stout.atd.ucar.edu!nws writes to Skydive:
>
> raue> P.S.  Please don't tell me to read the Sept. issue of Parachutist....
> raue>       I've been trying to join USPA since early July without success....
> raue>       I've called several times and although the people have been real
> raue>       pleasant, I am still waiting :-(

there's an amusing blurb in the latest issue asking new members not
to call asknig about their license numbers; seems to me they probably
don't have the magazine yet either :-) so they don't know not to call.
my first issue took about 6 weeks to arrive.

>I'm listening, what trouble are you having?  I will be joining probably this
>weekend or next.  It is after my first Hop-N-Pop right?

if yo uintend to stick with the sport, join ASAP. the liability insurance
is the reason. i see no reason to wait until after your hop-n-pop,
tho maybe people that get over the DRCP hurdle are more likely to 
continue on than static liners that never get the arch/look/reach/pull
down.

tim


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From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Car Rental in Europe and Info on Italy and French Riveria
Keywords: car rental, italy, french riveria
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:33:26 GMT


Much to my surprise I always found Hertz the cheapest in Italy.
You can save more by flying into Geneva and renting there, since
Italy has something like 33% tax on rentals.  You probably don't
want to drive in Rome.  For Venice, I'd suggest staying in Padova
and taking the train in to Venice.
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From: hisashi@neclpd.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Hisashi Naganuma)
Subject: Jasper suggestions and weather
Organization: NEC America, Inc.,  San Jose, CA., USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:37:04 GMT


My wife, 2-year-old daughter, 7-month-old son and I
will be staying in Jasper, Canada from Sept. 26 to Oct. 3.
We are looking for recommendations/suggestions on things
to do, sites to see.  We will have a car during staying there.

And I would like to have information on the weather and temperature
in Jasper at the end of September.
Are we going to have snow there?

Thanks in advance.

Hisashi Naganuma
hisashi@lpd.sj.nec.com
From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: st john's nfld hotel?
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:11:11 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I'm going to be in St. John's, Newfoundland for a conference in October.
I'm staying at the conference hotel for the most part, but my roommate
is leaving a day before me and I'm looking for a decent, *inexpensive*
hotel or b&b for my last night there.  Any suggestions?

Also, is there anything I shouldn't miss in St. John's?  I'll have about
a day and half of holiday there.

- Stephanie Fysh (Toronto)
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From: grob@opera.chorus.fr (Lori Grob)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:22:47 GMT
Reply-To: grob@chorus.fr
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Chorus systemes, 6 av. Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines, France

I think that what's true is that everyone notices tourists
from their own country and thinks that they are the worst
behaved. After that comes people who speak the same language
or a similar language.

After all badly behaved people speaking a language that
is completely different than yours and perhaps one that you 
don't understand are nothing that you have to feel defensive
about.

What makes all of us shrink is when we are in a foreign 
country and we hear and see people behaving badly
and they are people from our own country. If they
are from some other country often we don't understand 
their remarks and perhaps they don't register as deeply.

Its amazing isn't it how deplorable the behaviour of
every "group" is (Fill in your nationality) and yet
how charming and interesting most of the members of that
group are when met while travelling individually? :-)


Aside from the behaviour of groups who travel to party
and so are generally drunk and rowdy to the detriment
of whoever is the next of their nationality to arrive
in a particular locale, most of the "bad" behaviour
I have seen falls into the catagory of naive more than
anything else.


This also is the case of people making denigrating remarks
about a country or custom. While it is true that you can never
count on finding someone who speaks your language, if you need to.
Murphy's law being what it is you will certainly be standing next
to someone who speaks your language when you say something 
well intentioned but tactless about a place or its culture.





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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: SF Bookstores in London
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:59:32 GMT
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

In article <1992Aug25.160433.2212@alijku05.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> pruckler@pluto (Thomas Prueckler) writes:
>I shall be visiting London soon and am looking for wellstocked
>SF-bookshops in (central) London.

There's one I'm acquainted with:  Future Fantasy.  It's actually in the
basement of another store just off Charing Cross Road (and sorry, my FF
catalogue is packed away or I'd type in the address).  It's in the
phone book, though.

What I did when I was looking for SF bookshops in London was to
borrow a reference guide at the British Library.

After having heard for years about how great an area for bookbrowsing
Charing Cross is, I was a little disappointed by what I found.  I've
heard now that some of the serious book merchants have moved elsewhere
to escape the hordes of tourists.

Charleen

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mendacious piece of pseudo-scholarship that I have read this week.  As I have
read two Andrea Dworkin essays this week, that's saying a lot.  -- Eric Pepke
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From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Re: Eurail Pass and Supplements.
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:21:55 GMT

Hi,
   You do NOT have to pay a supplement on the French TGV, you must however
pay a compulsory reservation fee.
  As per Germany, you don't have to pay any supplement with Eurail Pass, 
even in the fastest train (ICE) you can just step in and enjoy...


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Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:25:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.081247.28321@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>Canadians travelling outside North America are usually advised to display
>a Canadian flag prominently on their clothing or backpack so that they
>won't be mistaken for "loud irritating obtrusive American tourists".

	Heh. Except  in France, where Canucks have been arrested for displaying maple leaves  on their coats, on the grounds they were advertising illicit 
chemicals. 

	You  *do* realise that  Canadians, when caught doing something 
particularly touristy (dynamiting fish in the Thames,  for example) can, 
if  they  lack identifying  marks, claim to be  USAmericans? Thus they
preserve Canadian reputations at the expense of someone else's

							James Nicoll
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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:02:34 GMT

ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:
>In article <13820@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>>  When I travelled in the US, we had to put a Swedish flag on our car to 
>>avoid being mistaken for "loud irritating obtrusive German tourists".
>I can't imagine it doing much good, since I suspect that most Americans
>wouldn't recognize the Swedish flag when they see it.

	Whats Swedish? :)

James
From: smezias@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: NEW YORK SKYLINE
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:41:43 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <1992Sep3.164536.4292@meaddata.com> joyce@meaddata.com writes:
>Could somebody please tell me where I can get a good view of 
>the New York City skyline? I want to get some pictures either
>early in the morning or at sundown. Thanks!

New York actually has at least two skylines: Downtown and Midtown.
For the downtown skyline a great place for pictures from the East is
the Brooklyn Promenade.  A nice view from the Northest can be had
during the walk across the Brooklyn Bridge.  The Staten Island Ferry
gives a good vantage points for pictures from the South.  The Jersey
side of the Hudson, particularly the Newport apartment complex, gives
good vantage point from the West.  The Midtown skyline can be seen
from the South at the top of the Empire State Building, from the East
from the Pepsi Cola bottling plant in Queens, and from the West from
New Jersey towns north of the Lincoln Tunnell.

SJM
From: raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein)
Subject: Loud irritating obtrusive expatriate American
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:13:23 GMT


I thought that Ian Malone's last attempt at polluting the net was somewhat
justified, as it seemed to be a sarcastic reaction to equally stupid, across-
the-board generalizations about the US.  Now he went to far, though.  This post 
was really too stupid to follow-up on, but here goes...

[Eugene Margulis indicates that the US public school system might have
some flaws]
|> 
|> Yea, right asshole.  That's why the entire world flocks to schools in the
|> US.  Sure, make your ridiculous conclusions, you'll probably be applying
|> here for grad school.

Well, he was referring, I believe, to the US public schools.  Yes, a lot of 
European youths spend one year in American high school as part of exchange 
programmes, but every single exchange student I know has come home complaining
about the laughable standards.  Norwegian students with mediocre grades often
get straight A's, not only because they choose the easiest courses, but
because the level of the courses are far below the Norwegian equivalents.
(Yes, I'm Norwegian, I'm anxiously awaiting some loud-mouthed Norway-bashing.)

I don't think Mr. Margulis intended to say anything about American 
universities.  The best American universities are probably the best 
universities in the world, thanks to private financing which saves them
from government neglect.  (As opposed to the primary schools.)

|> And if we do have to hurry through Europe, it is
|> because unlike the European, we *work*, none of this 6 week of vacation
|> a year shit.  But I guess banking drug-money isn't that time consuming.
|> 

Take an aspirin and call me in the morning...   MAN!

[Some Swiss-bashing rambling follows, due to Mr. Margulis' nationality,
including the pearls ``It really has to be the most utterly boring place in 
the *entire* world'' and ``Gee, I'd rather be a loud amused American 
that [sic] a wooden puppet.'']

Mr. Malone, this is really too childish.  Go empty your bowels somewhere else.

Thank you.

Yngve

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362 Memorial Drive		| Cornish ram's bladder, emptied, steamed, 
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From: linda@wendy.uucp (Linda Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Pacific Heights, Calif.-Good & Bad?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:50:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies

In article <duck.715545696@well.sf.ca.us> duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston) writes:
>
>My California atlas doesn't list a town by the name of Pacific
>Heights.  Where is it, exactly?

It's a wealthy district/neighborhood within San Francisco (I believe on
the hill above Union St, between about Divisadero and Gough?).

linda@net.com
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From: douglis@MITL.COM (Fred Douglis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:25:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: MITL.1992Aug25.172543.10993
Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory

frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:

>It has been my experience when travelling abroad that the majority 
>of American tourists are loud, obtrusive and selfish. They are at their 
>worst in large tour groups, but individuals and families can be almost as 
>bad. They appear to have no consideration for fellow tourists and the locals 
>whose lands they are visiting. 

As others have noted, some Americans are like this, some not, and some
people from other countries are like this, some not.  Why generalize like
this?  When I was in Rome a year ago I visited some catacombs with an
English-speaking tour, and there were a bunch of British tourists making
obnoxious comments and generally being unpleasant.  But I wouldn't
go so far to claim that the majority of British tourists are unpleasant.

>Many seem to travel - not to learn about foreign places, people and 
>culture - but merely to *do* a place and be able to tell their friends back 
>home that they've *done* it. When I was in Rome, I met two young American
>males who proudly told me :"Yeah, well we did Paris in half a day. If we 
>'bust' it, we could do Rome in about the same time.".  AAaargh! This 
>typifies the sort of travel philosophy followed by the people of whom I 
>write.

Just remember, many Americans only get 2 weeks of vacation per year.
I don't know how much you get, but I know many if not all Europeans
get 4-6 weeks.  It's a lot easier to take in a place for a longer
period when you have much more vacation time.

I'm not saying it's possible to see much of Paris in a half a day.  But
the "if it's Tuesday this must be X" syndrome has some basis in reality.
-- 
Fred Douglis
Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory  | Email: douglis@mitl.com
182 Nassau Street			      | Phone: +1 609 497-4600
Princeton, NJ 08542 USA 		      | Fax:   +1 609 497-4013
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From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Lost passport at Airport : What can I do?
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:40:45 GMT
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.


>again the next day, and told me that if they find the bag, I will
>be required to come in person to collect the bag!!


If there is an American address in the wallet, tell them to send it
there.

If there is no address (in America), have them contact an organization
that you are affiliated with.  For example, have them call Information
to get the number of Berkeley's Admissions (or CS department number).
They will give out THEIR address that it can be sent to, and you
can retrieve it from them.

Point out the following:
  "If I'm an imposter, then it will get back to the right person, right?"


David Andersen
.....down at the Irvine Campus :-)
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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Oslo?
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:36:03

Just a few odds and ends to add on:

As everyone has already mentioned, eating out is expensive in Oslo.
The less fancy Chinese and Italian restaurants are cheaper than
Norwegian ones, and the places on the side streets are usually
cheaper than the ones on Carl Johan and in Aker Brygge.  As always,
check for the menu in the window.  

Norwegians just aren't in the habit of going out for lunch.  You
will get by cheaper by making your own, buying a loaf of bread and
"paalegg" (literally, "lay on" - the stuff Norwegians put on top of
slices of bread).  You can sometimes buy a half loaf in a "bakeri"
if you ask for it.  Bring a pocket knife, as Norwegian bread isn't
sliced.  

Hotels and even youth hostels (but not camping places) have buffet
breakfasts included in the room price.  This is your chance to stoke
up at no additional charge.  

Things to see:  My favorite things, the Viking museum at Bygdoey and
Frognerparken (Vigelundsparken) have already been mentioned.  I just
want to recommend them again 8-)  If you do get to Frognerparken, go
down to the children's area, to the left of the bridge as you walk in.
I think those statues are the most interesting, but most people walk
right past them...  Oh, well, now i've revealed one of my hiding
places!

If you feel a need for some fresh air, the area north of the city is
good for walking and exploring... and skiing, but you'll be there in
the wrong season for that!  Take the tram (subway inside the city)
out to Holmenkollen.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway

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