HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eric@vistachrome.com (Eric Brunson)
Subject: Re: What's the best AppleShare file server?
Organization: Vista-Chrome, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:56:20 GMT

boots@falch.no (Dag Hasvold) writes:

>veloso@husc9.harvard.edu (Manuel Veloso) writes:

>>In article <KENW.93Jan11185200@skyler.arc.ab.ca> Ken Wallewein,
>>kenw@skyler.arc.ab.ca writes:
>>>Ideally, I'd like to be able to run some sort of
>>dual-servers-with-shared-
>>>mirrored-disks setup, for speed and redundancy.  The only way I know of
>>to
>>>do that, though, is with VAX Clusters, which is out of the question.
>>>
>>>What do you think, honored readers?  In your experience, what makes the
>>>best server?
>>>
>>>Oh, BTW, while we're at it: do print servers help much for speeding up
>>>printing of complex graphics documents?  I'm skeptical, but open to
>>>testimonials. 
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance,

>>There's a 486 based AFP server that's supposed to be incredibly fast.
>>MacWeek did an article on it a couple of months ago...from what I 
>>remember, it's basically a black box & you do u&g stuff remotely on your mac.

>The best AFP-server *I* know of is EtherShare from Helios Software. I 
>haven't used Novell myself (a lot of people say that it's fast), but 
>I think EtherShare is supperior in functionality, and because it runs 
>under many different UNIX platforms, it's really up to you how fast you
>want the server to be.

>For more information you can contact 'postmaster@helios.de'.

>Best Regards,


We have been using Helios EtherShare for about 8 months now and it is
great.  It outperforms AppleShare and Novell (Both of which we also run)
by as much as 50%.  We are also evaluating PCShare from Helios, and
have just purchased their OPI Server.  We are very happy customers.

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| | Dear Auntie Em,            |     Eric Brunson
|o|    I hate Kansas.  I hate  |     eric@vistachrome.com
| |    the farm.  I hate you.  |     brunson@math.fsu.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:13247 comp.protocols.appletalk:4492
From: glen@Cayman.COM (Glen B. Glater)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: TCP/IP support for Appletalk routers
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:21:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: fillmore@emr1.emr.ca's message of 20 Jan 93 21:01:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.210132.7841@emr1.emr.ca> fillmore@emr1.emr.ca (Bob Fillmore 992-2832) writes:

  >I have two different customers who have Mac networks connected to our
  >departmental ethernet backbone.  Both of them use a dedicated Mac with
  >multiple ethernet cards and localtalk connections.  One of them uses
  >the Apple Internet Router product (2.0) and the other uses Farallon Liason.
  >In both cases they were happily running only Appletalk, and now they also 
  >need to run TCP/IP.  Neither of the above products have any TCP/IP support.
  >
  >FastPaths and Gatorboxes have TCP/IP support, but will not route between
  >two or more ethernets.
  >
  >The new Apple Internet Router 3.0 product supports tunneling of Appletalk
  >packets in TCP/IP packets, but has no TCP/IP routing support, or support
  >for TCP/IP tunneled in Appletalk (both of which are supported by MacTCP).
  >
  >Does anyone know of a software-only solution to this problem?
  >Thanks for any pointers or advice.

Bob:

There are two low end Ethernet-to-Ethernet routers that route AppleTalk and
TCP/IP.

Cayman Systems announced last week the GatorBox EX, an Ethernet to Ethernet
router that supports AppleTalk, TCP/IP, and DECnet routing between two
Ethernet interfaces.  The GatorBox EX has a Motorola 68030 running at 40MHz
and comes with 2Mb of SIMM DRAM, expandable to 16Mb.

Compatible Systems also manufactures an Ethernet-to-Ethernet router.  I 
am not in possesion of technical specs about their product.

As always, questions can be sent to me directly at glen@cayman.com or to
our support group at address support@cayman.com.

Sales-type questions can be directed to email address sales@cayman.com.

Glen


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Unix LPR?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:32:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.134239.882@bernina.ethz.ch>, flog@open.ch (Florian
Gutzwiller) wrote:
> 
> Are there decent implementations of Unix Berkeley LPR based on MacTCP that  
> would make remote unix post script printers appear in the macintosh chooser?

Oh, in the Chooser. No, not that I'm aware of. 

There is an implementation of lpr called lpr (v1.2). Another
implementation is called lpDaemon, which not only provides
your mac with a way of printing over the network, but also
a way of printing on a mac printer from unix.

I've just started experimenting with lpDaemon, so I can't
comment on it just yet, but I got them from sumex-aim.stanford.edu.

I think they only work on text files, tho.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rs@inst.inst.bnl.gov (Richard Squires)
Subject: Apple Laser on Ethernet
Keywords: Apple LaserWriter
Reply-To: rs@inst.inst.bnl.gov (Richard Squires)
Organization: Brookhaven Lab
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:46:06 GMT

We're planning to hook up an Apple LaserWriter IIG to our ethernet.
This should be fine for Macs with Ethertalk but is there any way
to make the printer understand TCP/IP from workstations??

Dick

Richard Squires
Brookhaven Laboratory,Upton,NY 11973
rs@bnl.gov:voice516-282-7185:fax516-282-5773
From: Mike.Alexander@umich.edu (Mike Alexander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: AppleTalk Remote Access Protocol Specification Wanted
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:21:04 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Research Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: tavistock.isdn.umich.edu

In Article <01050133.odkf5j@distant.uucp>, edw@distant.uucp (Ed
Watkeys) wrote:
>I the ARAP protocol specified in any sort of document that mere mortals
>(non Apple Parters or Associates) can get ahold of?

Most of it is in the AppleTalk Remote Access Developer's Toolkit which
is available from APDA.  Part number R0128LL/A, I think.  I don't know
if this would be enough to implement it, but it sure helps
understanding what is being sent if you have a line monitor on the
line.

Mike Alexander              Internet:       Mike.Alexander@umich.edu
University of Michigan      America Online: MAlexander
ITD - Research Systems      AppleLink:      UMICH
From: todd.strauch@med.umich.edu (Todd R Strauch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: 7.1 and Asante Ethernet card incompatible ?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:30:55 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Medical School
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.40.110

In article <1993Jan26.104429.8324@smab.se>, hans@smab.se (Hans C Larsson)
wrote:
> 
> I can not get this combination to work, I just get
> "There was an error while attempting to change network" or
> "The AppleTalk program is obsolete - reinstall AppleTalk"
> (or something along these lines).
> 
> Has anyone else this combination ?
> 
> I also have some trouble with Chesapeake Ethernet cards
> (see separate posting).
> 
> However, Apple's and Cayman's Gator cards works fine with 7.1

Our organization has almost 200 Macs equipped with Asante ethernet cards. 
We recently upgraded all machines to System 7.1 without problems.  I would
make sure you are using the latest Asante driver, v5.0.1, and install the
latest Appletalk driver, v58.

Todd R. Strauch
University of Michigan Medical School
Ann Arbor, Michigan
todd.r.strauch@med.umich.edu
From: blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael Kistenmacher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: USR Sportster 14k Qs
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:59:59 MET
Organization: Blackbox Inc.
Reply-To: blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael Kistenmacher)
Distribution: comp
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2


In article <BRAD.HEDSTROM.93Jan19204726@edwin.UVic.CA> (comp.sys.mac.comm), Brad.Hedstrom@engr.UVic.CA (Brad  Hedstrom) writes:
>I'm thinking of purchasing a US Robotics Sportster 14,400 FAX. One
>dealer I checked with lists a MacFAX "model" with said modem and FAX
>SW. It's about 12% more than the PC "model". He claims that the modems
>are different but I find this hard to believe. I imaging that the Mac

I bought a PC version of the USR Sportster 14,400 FAX Modem and it
works almost perfectly in all situations with FaxStf (Even if you
have to remove the "&F" from the initilization-string) and all other
comm programs.


Greetings.....Michael

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(  Germany  /  ++ 49 40 559 12 42 )
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From: eapu199@orion.oac.uci.edu (Stephen)
Subject: USR Dual Standard wanted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: University of California at Irvine
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:26:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm

If anyone out there has a USR Dual Standard for sale, plesae email me with
price and description.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: archie@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Archie Cobbs)
Subject: Re: Express Modems: When?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:49:31 GMT

lord@andersen.uucp (Bob Lord) writes:

>Does anyone know when the Express Modems from Apple are going to ship?  Why
>are they back-ordered?
>-- 
>Bob Lord					100 South Wacker Room 932
>Network Manager					Chicago IL, 60606
>CSTaR Group, Andersen Consulting		312-507-5353
>lord@andersen.com

According to the folks who backordered one for me, MARCH (!)

-Archie
From: sab@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Netwize v0.9
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:14:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Dear all,
	Does anyone know where I can get a new version of Netwize. The only
one I can find is v0.9 which out of date and buggy. I've checked a few FTP
sites but can't find anything. Alternatively, does anyone know of another
shareware app that I can use to analyse the performance of our LocalTalk
network ?

Thanks,
Steve

sab@minster.york.ac.uk
From: gavin@umich.edu (Gavin Eadie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: XferIt version
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:33:30 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: forfar.uis.itd.umich.edu

In article <Apgar-270193184306@17.127.11.67>, Apgar@Apple.com (Gar) wrote:
> 
> > better than Fetch, but the support is dismal. I wonder if this guy still
> > works at apple? Maybe he's on sabatical or something.... Anyone at Apple
> > care to comment for us netters?
> 
> 
> He's very slow. I don't know what he does... must be busy.
> Took months too get my Xferit code. But it worked. ;-)
> 
> 
> "I hope you appreciate the magnitude of your impending good fortune."
>  
>  - truck driver in The Sure Thing.
> 
> 
> Apgar@Apple.com   |   Eric Apgar  alias  Gar   |   I said it, NOT Apple.

Steve is still at Apple.  He works in Developer Services and has recently
been supporting the Apple OCE alpha seed sites.  I expect that consumes his
every spare minute.

Not that this excuses him, but Steve developed XferIt when he was a person
with more time on his hands.  Putting software on the 'market', even the
low end of the marker, can be like putting your head in a noose.

With Steve's other popular software, NewsWatcher, the Northwestern
University folks took it off his hands - maybe someone would do the same
for XferIt ...

====
Gavin Eadie   University of Michigan Information Systems
gavin@umich.edu                           (313) 936-0816
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: HELP w/ telebit 2500
From: scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:13:17 -0500
X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version

hsm> Hey 
hsm> 
hsm> Does anybody have info on what settings I need to use a Telebit
hsm> 2500 at speeds above 9600 bps? I am trying to use MacSLip and
hsm> would like to connect at a faster speed. 
hsm> 
hsm> so far, I can only get 9600 connections. 
hsm> 
hsm> thanks scott

A the T2500 will only talk at speeds higher than 9600 with modems that support 
PEP protocol (basically, other Telebits). If you are fortunate enough to have 
another Telebit to talk to, you can enable PEP mode by setting register S110 to 
1 (enable) or 255 (enable only if other modem's S110 register is set to 1).

The T2500 does support MNP5 and V.42/V.42bis, so you can theoretically obtain 
transfer rates higher than 9600 with some types of data on a v.32 connection.

Enable MNP with s95=1 (always MNP) or s95=2 (MNP if possible, falls back to 
non-MNP) and s96=1 (enable compression).

Enable v.42 with s97=1
Enable v.42bis with s98=3

If you are going to be using MNP and/or v.42 you should lock your DTE to DCE 
(computer to modem) speed at 19200.

Do that like this: ats51=5 (interface speed 19200) ats66=1 (lock speed, use flow 
control).

When you switch your interface speed, of course, whatever comm program you are 
using will stop working if you weren't at 19200 already, you'll have to switch 
the comm program up to continue talking.
God, I hate Telebits. There are about a million more idiotic little S registers 
that nice modems don't make you worry about. The Telebit is a poweruser modem. 
And it is the kind of modem you get set up for a particular use and leave that 
way. It's an awful modem to have to be reconfiguring for different uses all the 
time.

If you don't have the manual for yours, you'd be well advised to get it.
From: jdschnitzer@mv.com (Jeff Schnitzer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: uAccess 1.62
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:51:17 EST
Reply-To: jdschnitzer@schmac.mv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1993Jan21.012558.25247@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> (eagle@silver.lcs.mit.edu), eagle@silver.lcs.mit.edu writes:
  >  Can I get some feedback about uAccess 1.62, the UUCP program...
  >  
  >  WHere did you buy it?
  >  How much did it cost?
  >  Are you satisfied with it?
  >  Are you satisfied with UUCP?
  >  What is a good place to link up through?
  >  


I bought uAccess (1.5v4) directly from ICE Engineering.
It cost about $300 as I recall (pricey for a comm program
for an individual).  Of course, they're on the net, so you can 
get info by sending mail to:  info@ice.com

Overall, the package is pretty good.  It has some quirks that
you can learn to live with.  However a major annoyance is that
it is NOT compatible with the 040's cache -- I have a Quadra 950
and I want to use it at full speed.

I've used it primarily for email and occaisionally to get files
via UUCP.  I started getting a news feed about two months ago.
(Some strangeness -- for the first month I was getting fairly
frequent crashes and hang while reading news, but they slowly
dropped off in frequency and have since disappeared; knock on
silicon).

I get my news feed from a small commercial service in southern NH
(MV Communications) for a monthly fee ($7.00 for casual mail,
$20.00 for 3 hours, another $20 for each 30 hours).  You can get
info by sending mail to:  info@mv.mv.com

Of course, you can always try to get a free feed from a friendly
local site.

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From: joelg@wildcat.corp.sgi.com (Joel Guilhamet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: TCP?
Date: 29 Jan 93 00:54:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: wildcat.corp.sgi.com

In article <C1Kywq.47C@cs.psu.edu> myers@periwinkle.crayola.cs.psu.edu (Joseph F Myers) writes:
>
>I am trying to run VersatermSLIP from my DUO 230, When I go to the macTCP control panel, it is frozen and somewhat grayed out. I also can't get the slip to work at all. The TCP control pannel contains some old settings. Can anyone suggest why it does not work.

It sounds like your MacTCP is locked with AdminTCP.  You will need to either
unlock it with AdminTCP or remove the MacTCP Prep file from your system
folder and install a *fresh* copy to replace it.  I believe that AdminTCP
is available from Synergy (the versaterm people) upon request.

On a side note, as previously discussed, I too was suffering from 10 to 20
second delays with MacTCP 1.1.1  Currently I am using MacTCP 1.1.1 with
AdminTCP 1.1 with out any problems.  (I am using System 7.0)

-- 
Joel Guilhamet
joelg@corp.sgi.com
(415) 390-2424
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: wang_dj@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (David J. Wang)
Subject: MacLayers and emacs
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:37:41 GMT


I have gotten a couple of responses regarding the use of emacs and the use of
C-s.  It seems that handshaking has to be off.  There is only one problem wiht
this solution.  I have it flow control set to off in smartcom II, but the 
same problem occurs.  I have to use C-q to resume.
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
David J. Wang                                    CAUTION!
wang_dj@server.cs.jhu.edu                SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION!
_______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Question: Fax S/W w/ API
From: Liem Vu <l_vu@oaetqm.hq.nasa.gov>
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:34:09 +0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Leading Computer Technologies
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12X-XXMessage-ID: <A784748E88011C11@lvu.oast.hq.nasa.gov>X-XXDate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:41:02 GMTLines: 15

Greetings,

I am looking for a fax modem software package that has an API.  I am
developing a 4D app that will be faxing information to various
destinations (phone numbers) that are stored in its database.  I have
not however, been successful in finding anything that fits my needs.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

PLease respond via email as I do not read this group very often.

Liem Vu
_________________________________________________________________________
Systems Analyst                       Leading Computer Technologies, Inc.
l_vu@oaetqm.hq.nasa.gov               202.453.3511
From: m_thiba@pavo.concordia.ca (MICHAEL)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: "Scripting Logins with QL II Fax"
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:28:00 GMT
Distribution: na

University account.  I can connect, no problem there, but the
damn thing hangs and then times out.  I think the trouble lies
with the sending of a RETURN character; I've copied out of the
scripts supplied with the software - GEnie, DJ, CompuServe - but
no luck.  I've tried sending ascii 13.  No good, neither.  
If anyone is familiar with the software and/or the Script 
By the way, I wonder if the problem lies in the "Connect 2400/...
message" because it is at that point in the sequence of events 
that things get truly stuck.  Thanks in advance, a tyro nerd. 
Language involved, I would appreciate your suggestions.  
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

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Language hobbles the brain.
                                                       Michael Thibault
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kdover@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Kevin Dover)
Subject: vt220 emmulator
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:51:28 GMT

Does anyone know of a public domain vt220 terminal emmulator? 

Is there a version of MacKermit to handle this as there is for 
the PC?

Thanks, Kevin 
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:13305 comp.sys.mac.misc:22146
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: uAccess 1.62
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:49:00 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: intercon.com

cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton) writes:
>Where do upgrades come from for people who own and ICE-labeled version?
>
>Tim? Amanda? Please clue me in.

Well, I'm an engineer, and don't know the detaails of the agreement, but I'll
try to find out what the support policy is and post a note about it...


Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
From: 7723simonsen@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Macintercomm
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:34:07 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 7723simonsen@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <1993Jan28.022739.28793@netcom.com>, bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas) writes:
>I just purchased MacIntercomm after many years of using
>Microphone. I spoke in length with Mercury Systems today about
>the scripting language and they said it should be out by the
>end of next week. They said that after MacWorld they decided
>to add some new interface features to the program hence the
>delay.

I also have Macintercomm, and although I find the background multi-tasking very
nice, it seems to be a little slower in use than most other Telecom apps, like
Zterm for instance.  Any suggestions to improve this?

Rex Simonsen
From: eaeu209@orion.oac.uci.edu (Rodney G. Ramos)
Subject: FOR SALE: 2400bps modem
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:21:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm

I have the following for sale:

    Prometheus 2400bps NuBus card modem...$40+shipping

This will work in any NuBus slot. It will NOT work with
direct slots with a NuBus adapter (believe me, I've tried).

Also, the modem has not frills. It's just a plain 2400bps
modem.

Send email to eaeu209@orion.oac.uci.edu if you're
interested.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jbrowne@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Subject: Re: Where to find MacTCP 1.1.1 ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:50:38 GMT

rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem) writes:

>Yeah, and I guess I'm supposed to have half a dozen copies of MacTCP sitting  
>around so that when I want to switch from Eudora to Versaterm, I drag one out  
>of my system folder, replace it with another, and reboot.

>Whoever thought up this licensing scheme should get a life.

...along with the people who think vendors should charge for TCP/IP after 
charging you for the OS.  In today's world, if the OS doesn't have TCP/IP, I
don't consider it a usefull OS.  (...but that's just my opinion.)

-- 
Jim Browne                                          | jbrowne@ncsa.uiuc.edu  |
NCSA/STG System Administrator                       | stgadmin@ncsa.uiuc.edu |
System Administration: Where the fun never ends...  | (217) 244-7798         |
--"It's really weird... kind of like how Telnet is programmed." - Q. Koziol --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm