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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Rigging the Charts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:06:19 GMT

carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Carl Brewer) writes:

>Hmmm,   all this business of chart rigging raises the question :

>WHO CARES ????

>You listen to what you like, maybe even buy it ..   does it *matter*
>what the great unshorn sheep spend their pennieon ????

Chart rigging affects adversely the income of those who don't have
the benefit of major record company influence. I.e. all the independent
and interesting music (IMHO) suffers while mainstream artists reap
huge rewards, in some cases undeserved. A fair system would allow
alternative artists to appear in the lower regions of the chart, whereupon
the associated exposure would help to catapult them into the top 10
hopefully (given airplay, video play, and chart influence). 

People like myself, who wish to record music but who do not have the
right sound/image to get signed to a major, are concerned about such things.
There are quite a few net musicians, and most seem to be rather alternative.
>if I *ever* hear "achy breaky heart" I will cut my own ears off, and ram
>them down the offending audio devices ic sockets ...

Good on you! I thought you'd have liked it, but now I'm glad. :)
Paul

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From: arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Toe Rags [was Re: The Kylie file .... for your eyes only!]
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:54:14 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: carol@ee.uts.edu.au
On Wed 23 Sep at 06:19 carol@ee.uts.edu.au (3:713/602) wrote to All:

 c> Tomorrow night I'm going to see some *real* australian entertainment -
the 
 c> sydney uni fun band finals featuring (among others) the incredibly 
 c> silly Toerags.

It's a pity they're splitting up. I just caught them last week on main stage
at Blackstump '92. They should be on the Blackstump video, or failing that
the band members should have a copy of their own performance.

Arthur.

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Newsgroups: aus.music,alt.music.alternative
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Rigging the Charts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:10:14 GMT

WHo read that article in the good weekend about how the majors rig the
charts? It's quite shocking and very convincing. The charts are apparently
riddled with items which have yet to deserve their position. Of course,
once an album or single is in the charts, it gains its own momentum by:

1) instantly getting radio and video play (countdown programs)
2) going onto radio (and video) playlists after top 40 position acquired
3) mainstream consumers reacting to chart position as well as radio/video
   exposure will keep the items in the charts.

It seems that, after the introduction of computerized anti-fraud recording
systems for sales in the US, large discrepancies in the old system were
exposed. The week that the computers were introduced produced a chart 
substantially different from the week before. It was found that in actual
fact, alternative, country, and other non-mainstream artists sold much more
that they were given credit for in previous charts. IMHO this possibly
contributed to the massive popularity of alternative bands like RHCP and
Nirvana. That's just my thought. Prior to the computerized system, these
bands may have been selling lots of records, but were not accorded the
chart positions they deserved.

Paul

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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: "Promotion only"
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:49:46 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Taylor [The Banshee]) writes:

>I've recently picked up a copy of the Falling Joys "Incinerator" CD single.
>the plastic case bears the standard round sticker proclaiming "2 previously
>unreleased tracks" etc., but the back of the insert has, in silver print, a
>box stating "Promotion only  Not for sale".  I've seen other CDs around with
>this type of statement printed on them (and all for sale!).  Does this have
>any meaning - ie. is it really not for sale &/or limited release, or it just
>a marketing ploy to make the buyer think it's something special? 

I believe the promo CDs are sent to stores and radio stations with that
printed on it. It's given to the store for free, so I guess when they
sell it at full price, it's all profit to the store... It's not a ploy,
I don't think. The stores are probably cheating.

Promos are possible more collectable, but I some have worse sound, I think.
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From: johnw@bnd2.bnd.oz.au (John Warburton)
Subject: Re: CD PRICES
Organization: B&D Doors, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:19:34 GMT

mail bounced, so I'll have to post here:

From article <9228820.9486@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON):
> 
> Why not do what I do whenever I want to buy *ANY* CD - visit JB hi-fi and buy
> it bloody cheaply (this is a Melbourne store, don't know about anywhere else).
> 
I'll be in Melbourne next month, so can you please supply me with an address
for JB? 
> 
> Happy CD buying,
> Chris.
> 
Thanks
John
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From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Subject: Re: Rigging the Charts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:13:00 GMT

pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>WHo read that article in the good weekend about how the majors rig the
>charts? 

This is the second time in the space of about a year that _The Age_ in
Melbourne has published such a feature (and I know that Good Weekend
is published by its stablemate in Sydney, too). The last time was late
last year in the Saturday Extra.

I'm not disputing the content, of course, but my curiosity is piqued as
to why one particular member of the Australian media should be taking
so much interest...

Your, in cynicism, Mark.
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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Denis Tek plays Adelaide
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:46:58 GMT

steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor) writes:
>
>I had a great time at the Melbourne gig, but the big disappointment for me
>was that Angie Pepper didn't do a single song, but just danced and did
>a bit of backup vocals. I was almost as interested in seeing her as I
>was in Deniz Tek.
>

It used to be that everyone was much more interested in seeing Angie
than Deniz :-) Then they got married :-(

>I thought they struck a pretty fair balance between Birdman material
>and Teks own. It must be very annoying to have the weight of Radio
>Birdmans reputation hanging over you at all times. I remember seeing
>one of the New Christs very first gigs where no one applauded for
>anything except for the token Birdman track.

I don't blame Rob for getting pissed off! It was okay after Birdman
broke up to see what resulted (Vistors, Hitmen, The Other Side) and
see what, if any, old Birdman songs they would play. The Visitors
played Deniz's songs, and he being the main songwriter for Bridman,
they did the Birdman songs. The Hitmen played "surf" covers (in their
early days, then they thought they were the Blue Oyster Cult mixed up
with the Dictators, etc...). The Other Side played some damm good rock
and roll!

Now give it a few years and you start playing again and every man and
his dog expects you to do what you did ten years ago. Its not really
fair (but is expected, just not the second time around).

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From: sjr@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Simon Rodger)
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:04:03 GMT

[Original post deleted.]

Organised anti-conformity.

It smacks of a bunch of odd-balls hanging around saying
`..arn't we hip, gee its good to be alternative. '

I guess a party in plastic bag isn't such a bad idea.

Simon - Founder member of the alternative stamp collectors collective.
	Philatelistic oriented orgy league - phool
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Jazzmasters
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:18:59 GMT
Distribution: aus
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!) writes:
: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
: 
: >	I have a friend who occasionly wants to sell his
: >Jazzmaster for $2000+ (not sure of figure) - but then can never
: 
: 	Holy shit!  I've heard figures like $700 - $800!  Your friend
: could buy two at that price (I'm not fussed about condition, either...
: if it makes a nice noise, that's fine by me.)
: 
:


	excuse any faults (bad terminal)

	I'm talking L series (whatever the hell that means?)

	CE 			Matthew.
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From: bsmith@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Brian Smith)
Subject: Church concert Melbourne Oct 7th
Summary: chruch concert
Keywords: church
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:45:24 GMT

Thought there might be a few people out there interested in a bit of Church news
so here it is.

Last night (Wed Oct 7th) the Church played in Melbourne.  The theatre was pretty
full and there is anther show Friday night.
Here's the set list.
Aura, Myrrh, Metropolis, Destination, Fly, Shadow Cabinet, NSEW, Sisters, The
Disillusionist, Grind, Lost, Old Flame, Hotel Womb, Reptile, Pharoah, Chaos and
Tantalized.

The highpoints (for me) were Grind, Hotel Womb, Sisters and Chaos.  As usual the
mix was pretty bad and I found that I could hear more detail (ie Anything Peter
was playing) if I blocked my ears.  The PA system also seemed to not be up to it
, it kept crackling at some points.

Nothing unusual yet, but hold on to yer black t-shirts, Steve announced that
this was the LAST TIME they were playing in Melbourne.  This was greeted by a
stunned silence as the crowd tried to figure out what this meant exactly.   It
sounded to me like a break-up announcement.  I hope I'm wrong, but there's no
reason why Melbourne specifically would be excluded from future tours, so it's
looking ominous.

Generally, the earlier songs were marked by a lack of the subtlety that you 
can hear on their albums.  Parts that should have been played in that way were
just strummed, which was a bit of a disappointment.  It got better later on
though.  They also missed the second verse of Shadow Cabinet completely.  Marty
looked surprised when it happened, I think it was the drummer's fault.  
Overall it was pretty good, but I hope it's better Friday.  I'll post again
after that.

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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Ed Kuepper (was Re: Rigging the Charts
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 07:57:38 GMT


Poor old Ed Kuepper managed to chart (top 30) with his single 
"Everything I've got belongs to you" but did not receive commercial
radio airplay.

There's more to playlists than chart figures.  (this has been discussed
before) His record co is Shock - an 'indie'.  Maybe that's one 'problem'

Ed's 'distinctive' voice is probably considered too 'weird' for the easily
influenced record buying public, so commercial listeners are saved from his
'disturbing' songs :-)

Ed has produced some mighty fine music the last 2 years  Give any of the
following a listen:

Today Wonder		album		(Ed Kuepper + Mark Dawson)
Honey Steels Gold	album		(ditto + others)
Black Ticket Day	album		(ditto)

SLSQ			album		The Aints
?Autocannibalism?	album		The Saints

There are others methinks...anyone care to fill in the gaps?

brian
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From: fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher)
Subject: Re: Brian May's new song - Too much love will kill you
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:17:02 GMT

In article <barrongj@marsh> barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron) writes:
>
> Has this being getting any airplay, does anyone know?
>
> It's wild!

Actually, I didn't even realise that it had been released here, until
reading message here in this group. I bought the 7" single from the
local import store here last week, but haven't seen the CD single
anywhere yet - shall keep looking.

-Craig
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From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Subject: "Enter Sandman" CD single
Summary: Where?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: melb
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:11:57 GMT

Can anybody give me an idea where in Melbourne I might find a copy
of Metallica's "Enter Sandman" CD single. Since it was about a year
ago it was released, I don't know if it's still officially available,
but I was hoping to find a copy somewhere.

BTW, I don't want it enough to pay more than retail for it, so I don't
want to hear from any budding entrepreneurs trying to turn a buck,
thankyou very much!! :-)

Mark.
          --------------------------------------------------------
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From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Subject: Re: Brian May's new song - Too much love will kill you
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:05:12 GMT

barrongj@cs.curtin.edu.au (Greg Barron) writes:

>Has this being getting any airplay, does anyone know?

>It's wild!

The first few seconds of the video got a showing at the end of
Molly Meldrum's waffle on _Hey Hey It's Saturday_, and he said
"This is a great song, I predict it will be a hit". Of course,
the record company probably paid him to say it!!! (;-), BTW!)

But I haven't heard it on the radio yet, which means the first time
I hear it in full will probably be *after* I go out and buy the
CD single (I restrained myself from picking up an import copy in
Gaslight a month or so ago for $22!) I'll take your comment above
as being a good review.

We *do* all know which Brian May we're talking about here, I hope... :-)
CD single out now, available at your nearest ABC shop!! :-)

Mark.
          --------------------------------------------------------
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Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering, University of Melbourne  
                ACSnet[AARN/Internet]: summer@ee.mu.oz[.au] 
          --------------------------------------------------------
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      would be pushing up the daisies. It's run down the curtain and
            joined the choir invisible. This is an X-Terminal!"
From: rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Taylor [The Banshee])
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Re: "Promotion only"
Date: 16 Oct 1992 12:59:42 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

>>Well, I have never seen an original non-promo (or another promo, for that
>>matter) of this particular CD.  It's certainly an advantage to both the 
>>collector and the original "owner" of the CD to buy/sell - I'm certainly
>>happy ;-)  In case you're wondering, it's reference number is VOLTCD56 
>>(I think it's 56, otherwise it might be 53).
>
>What CD was it again? What tracks? If you haven't ever heard of a CD with
>the same tracks as this, it's likely you have a collectable, despite the
>fact that the tracks may be available in other places...

The CD is Falling Joys "Incinerator" VOLTCD56 - released on the Volition label
and mastered at Sony Music.  The cover features a leather glove with "Falling
Joys" and "Incinerator" of the cuff.  Tracks are: "Incinerator" (from the
"Psychohum" album), "Fall" Remix (similar style to FJs "Jennifer" acoustic
version on the "Jennifer" CD single) and "You're It" (instrumental).
Insert says it's a 1992 release - the last two songs were recorded in Winter  
('92).

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From: janet@cs.uwa.oz.au (Janet Jackson)
Newsgroups: aus.music,cs.general
Subject: Re: The Alternative Music and Politics Club (PLEASE STOP CROSSPOSTING)
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:57:40 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.

Aagh!  I hope this will be the last crosspost on this topic
to aus.music.

aus.music gets exported to at least the entire country, who really
don't want to know.

Since it is only related to Melbourne Uni, please keep it local by
posting only to cs.general (or better still, since the topic is not just
aimed at CS students, find a more suitable local group at Melbourne Uni.
At UWA we have uwa.general.)

Janet Jackson
<janet@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Department of Computer Science
The University of Western Australia
From: dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: REM
Keywords: REM's new album
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:07:15 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: ANL Ltd (The Australian National Line)

REM's new album is fantastic .

It's better than "Out of time" .

Buy it . Buy it . Buy it .

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From: plastic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jason Brinsley LEE)
Subject: Re: Rigging the Charts
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:56:40 GMT

summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) writes:

>This is the second time in the space of about a year that _The Age_ in
>Melbourne has published such a feature (and I know that Good Weekend
>is published by its stablemate in Sydney, too). The last time was late
>last year in the Saturday Extra.

>I'm not disputing the content, of course, but my curiosity is piqued as
>to why one particular member of the Australian media should be taking
>so much interest...

>Your, in cynicism, Mark.

About two years ago _The Age_ ran a similar story in the 'Green Guide'.
It was much  more informative and (IMO) not by the same author.


-- 

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From: rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (John Taylor [The Banshee])
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Wanted: Release dates...
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:59:48 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

Does anyone have the expected release dates for The Sundays "Blind", Frente
(any new), Clouds "Octopus", etc.?  The Sundays were supposed to release their
new CD at the beginning of the month overseas, but it has yet to appear in
Australia.

Thanks in advance.

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From: philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)
Subject: Re: Toe Rags
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:42:11 GMT

In article <ada4a97a@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes:
>Original to: carol@ee.uts.edu.au
>On Wed 23 Sep at 06:19 carol@ee.uts.edu.au (3:713/602) wrote to All:
>
> c> Tomorrow night I'm going to see some *real* australian entertainment -
>the 
> c> sydney uni fun band finals featuring (among others) the incredibly 
> c> silly Toerags.
>
>It's a pity they're splitting up. I just caught them last week on main stage
>at Blackstump '92. They should be on the Blackstump video, or failing that
>the band members should have a copy of their own performance.

They don't break up until years end (soon, but not yet). They do have an
album on tape. I don't think they've made a video as yet though :->.

Only bass player I've ever seen with a prehensile tongue...

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