HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ar436@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dennis Mitsch)
Subject: 330 meg SCSI drive in external case fer sale.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:33:03 GMT


330 meg Seagate drive, 5.25" HH.  In external case.

Start bids at $400, whoever is highest by August 30th gets it.

You pay shipping, COD okay, net references available.

From: rchou@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Robert Chou)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 20:23:02 GMT
Subject: 4MB x 9 80ns 30pin SIMMS
Organization: HP, Systems Technology Div., Roseville, Ca.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace

FOR SALE:

4MB x9 80ns 30pin low profile simms for $75 each.
I bought 14 of them at a great price and used 8
in my NeXTstation. I have 6 left.

Robert Chou
rchou@hprpcd.rose.hp.com
(916) 785-5439 work
(916) 722-0293 home
From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Lotus Improv for sale
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:36:35 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

freimer@cs.cornell.edu (Robert Freimer) writes:

>>For sale,
>>Unopened copy of Lotus Improv for the NeXT
>>asking $250 o.b.o.
>         ^^^

>This is expensive, since an educational copy can be
>obtained for about $149 from some campus bookstores.  Any such
>bookstore which deals with Douglas Stewart Inc., should be able to get
>it for you.  The price depends on their volume of business.

If you're a student.  NeXTConnection still asks more than $400 so
it's not such a bad price.  'Course, I'll sell my copy for $200
to anyone interested.
Tim

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From: Joseph R. Grace <jgrace@TetraSoft.com>
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Organization: TetraSoft International
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:08:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.164824.4066@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van  
Huizen) writes:
>  So is it:
>  
>  	1) Commercial announcements should be in c.s.n.a
>  		(moderator does appropriate thing with prices)?
>  
>  	2) Commercial announcements can be anywhere you want
>  		(with prices)?
>  
>  	3) Commercial announcements can be anywhere you want
>  		(without prices)?
>  
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Gordon Van Huizen           vox: 619.488.9411  fax: 619.488.3045
>  Metrosoft                   gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------

Even better, how about the missing permutation of the above:

	4) Commercial announcements should be in (and only in)
		c.s.n.a (with prices)?

Also, as I suggested before, let's limit postings to 
PR (Press Release) quality postings to avoid undue ( whatever that means ;-)  
hype!

Cheers,

= Joe =
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Joe Grace <jgrace@TetraSoft.com>
TetraSoft International   Business and Personal Productivity Tools for NeXTSTEP
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From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:29:57 GMT

In article <QDd-wjC@engin.umich.edu> zmonster@engin.umich.edu (Eric Hermanson)  
writes:
=>In article <1992Aug16.212601.12695@proponent.com> Monty Solomon  
<roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
=>>In article <1992Aug15.162759.9627@dpp> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)  
writes:
=>>> suggested list price of $xx.  The educational edition contains
=>>> 
=>>> from NeXTConnection and authorized NeXT re-sellers.  It has a
=>>> suggested retail price of $xx.
=>>
=>>It is extremely annoying that press releases posted to the NeXT groups have  
had  
=>>their price information removed.
=>>
=>>Who has implemented this practice and why?
=>>
=>>Press releases posted to other groups routinely include price information.
=>>
=>>Please stop this annoying practice.
=>>
=>     
=>t
=>
=>My sentiments exactly.  What good does this do anyone?                    
=>
=>Eric Hermanson
=>

Because it against Usenet policy (Check into the postings in  
news.announce.newusers).  This has to do with the "non-commerical" use of the  
Internet and the funding by the NSF.  There have been a few vendors here  
recently who have been providing price information which is, by the standards  
of the general Usenet community, unacceptable.

Personally, I like the pricing info.  But, I don't want to see Usenet turn  
into an advertising medium, so I support the policy....

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          >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<<
"Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: rchou@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Robert Chou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: 4MB SIMMs for sale
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:24:29 GMT
Organization: HP, Systems Technology Div., Roseville, Ca.

4MB SIMMS for sale.

In the last message, I stated that I have 4MB x9 80ns SIMMs for $75.
I should add that I want to sell all 6 at the same time.
I have people interested in 4 but not in 2!

I had callers on my voice mail at work but the messages were
accidentally ERASED!!!

please email me and I'll get back to you!

Robert Chou
(916) 785-5439 work
(916) 722-0293 home
From: robinson@heaton.med.unc.edu (Gerard A. Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: disk upgrade info and sybase
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:10:45 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

I'd like to upgrade my Nextstation's internal 100MB drive to a 424MB one, and
am soliciting suggestions on methods, source, advisability, etc.  Would also
like to acquire someone's unregistered/unused version of Sybase.  Thanks!

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From: ferrel@BoysTown.ORG (Roger Ferrel)
Subject: summus gigatape
Organization: Boys Town National Research Hospital
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:53:20 GMT

I have a NeXT cube 68040 version 2.0 of the system.

I recently obtained a Summus gigatape drive that is about 2 years old. It
uses 8mm tapes that can hold up to 2.1 Gigabytes each.  (I am hoping to use it
to back up several systems.)  The gigatape has a SCSI port which I have
connected to the NeXT (it has a terminator on the other SCSI connection).

I have tried connecting this device with several different port numbers, but
so far the NeXT does not detect the device at boot time.

Is there something simple I'm missing?  Has anyone else tried connecting this
device to a NeXT?

I've tried contacting the company, but all their phones have been
disconnected.

Please E-mail me your replys, and I'll summarize and post the results.

Thank for you help.

=============================================================
Roger L. Ferrel                   PHONE voice: (402) 498-6618
INTERNET: ferrel@BoysTown.ORG     FAX: (402) 498-6331
=============================================================
-- 

=============================================================
Roger L. Ferrel                   PHONE voice: (402) 498-6618
INTERNET: ferrel@BoysTown.ORG     FAX: (402) 498-6331
From: pfkeb@kaon.slac.stanford.edu (Paul Kunz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: HippoDraw and NS 3.0
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:37:17 GMT
Reply-To: pfkeb@kaon.slac.stanford.edu


   As developer of HippoDraw I have a questions for its users.   How many are  
planning to upgrade to NeXTSTEP 3.0 as soon as it is available?   

   The reason I ask is that in our continued development, we have been  
maintaining NS 2.0 compatibility.   This is a bit of a pain, but not a large  
one.   But if our users are planning to upgrade to NS 3.0, we need not bother.

   Please send me e-mail and I'll summarize.

--
Paul F. Kunz	(NeXT mail ok)
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University
Voice: (415) 926-2884   (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re:  Solid Value, Rulers, and Copy Protection (long)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:28:00 GMT

Good Comparison of PC-Windows market and Next market deleted

However, we can hope that developing on a Next is easier to do than in that  
Windows environment.  We should add that the checkbook program mentioned  
requires a team of 5 windows experts and 3 manyears of work to get the product  
out the door.  Whereas the Next app too a college student a weekend.


All kidding aside. If we are constrained to the normal venture startup  
companies the market for Next software is too small to bother with.

A better model for comparison I think is that of comparing it to a writer.   
Most professional writers will tell you: "Don't quit your dayjob when you make  
your first sale."  

The small cheap useful apps are going to be written by people who are not  
depending on sales to make their living, at least initially.  The income  
function will be 0 for the first year or so (learning).  Finally the first good  
app comes together.  A month of hard work.  That month may generate income for  
the next several years.  

The really large complicated apps are either going to depend on programmers  
sharing (by sale or gift) new object classes, or are going to be limited to  
corporations who can afford to put significant resources into a product without  
an immediate hope of return.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: What DTP/WP do tables (other than Frame)?
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:48:23 GMT

J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes
> From what I gather WriteNow! and WordPerfect don't do
> tables at all. The latest NeXTWORLD has a preview of
> PasteUp and says that it too doesn't do tables either.   
Is
> there anything other than FrameMaker(even coming up)
> that will do tables?  How about Pages? 
> 
With Object-Linking coming up in 3.0, does anyone know  
whether it'll be possible to link an image of a Table in,  
say, Improv, to, say, a WP document?  This strikes me as a  
much better solution than to have each WP package try to do  
tables, since most tables are originally created in  
spreadsheets anyway.

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Subject: Re: wanted: MH ported to NeXT  ...help
Organization: University of Maryland College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.221009.21157@nevada.edu> johann@nevada.edu (Jason W Cathcart) writes:
>Is there a NeXT binary of MH out there, or any suggestions
>on compiling this pig?

Here's the configuration file that I use to build MH:

# @(#)$Id: MH,v 1.7 90/04/06 09:44:31 sources Exp $
# NeXT 
#
bin	/usr/local/bin
etc	/usr/local/lib/mh
ldoptlibs -lsys_s -object
mail	/usr/spool/mail
mandir	/usr/local/man
manuals	standard
mts	sendmail
remove	rm -f
pop	on
options	ATZ BSD42 BSD43 BIND DBM DUMB MHE MHRC RPATHS ZONEINFO WHATNOW
options SBACKUP='"\\043"' UMD
ccoptions -O -bsd -fwritable-strings

season to taste.

louie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Development Continues
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:20:29 GMT

randyj@randy.oac.osc.edu (Randy Jackson) writes:
>Burned?  In what way?  And why transfer an Amiga-based policy to (all) 
>other platforms?  

All I expected for WP/Amiga was the same thing I now expect for
WP/NeXT-- free bug upgrades (which I got, sometimes) and non-free
feature upgrades to bring my WP up to the level of the DOS version.
It seemed like the Amiga version was being outdone by the DOS version
left and right.  Then I read in the WP Journal that WP Corp. would
officially drop support of the Amiga.  Based on the upgrades becoming
most trivial (some new silly file requestor with a spinning barbell
graphic is not my idea of an upgrade of any sort) and the bug fixes no
longer coming, I had thought that WP stopped Amiga support long before
they announced it (approximately one year before, if I remember
correctly what I was thinking back then).

Now, I see that the Windows version is getting all the glory and all
the snazzy new stuff, while the perfectly capable NeXT platform
receives nothing.  To me, this is being burned by WP.

There was a time where Amiga users basically had to beg for simple bug
upgrades and getting WP to actually pay attention to Intuition
standards when developing their Amiga product.  I don't have time to
play that silly game with the NeXT version.

WP is okay, but as it is on the NeXT, it is certainly not something I
would even consider dashing off a quick letter to anyone upon.  I also
don't want to get too much into it if WP won't support it later on.

I realize that since WP/NeXT isn't generating the sales that
(probably) both NeXT and WP Corp. wished it would, WP Corp. is
reluctant to support it, but I think that they should have put up a
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: What DTP/WP do tables (other than Frame)?
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:26:54 GMT

mikhe@flab.fujitsu.co.jp writes:
>Duh? What are you talking about? I use Frame (v3.0.1 that is), with ALL of it
>features on a daily basis and have yet to see it crash or log me out.

Fine, but on the system that I use Frame 3.0 (not 3.0.1, that I know of) on
it isn't as reliable.  This system is a 24MB ram 1.2GB HD w/ 100MB swap
machine.

>Have you ever actually used Frame, or is this heresay?

No, experience.

>Please be at  
>least a little more specific when you decide to flame products, instead of  
>generating random statements without factual basis.

I'm reporting what happens to me.  Relax.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: johann@nevada.edu (Jason W Cathcart)
Subject: wanted: MH ported to NeXT  ...help
Originator: johann@helios.nevada.edu
Organization: .
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:10:09 GMT

I have been hacking at mh-6.7.2 trying to get it to compile
on a NeXT 2.0.
Is there a NeXT binary of MH out there, or any suggestions
on compiling this pig?

email to johann@nevada.edu
From: brooksj@terminus.umd.edu (Joanne Brooks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Teledia's FileMaster
Keywords: database layouts
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:14:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software
Organization: University of Maryland, Dept. of Good Guys and Cool Stuff


I've been playing with FileMaster for a few hours now, and the only
problem I have is LayoutBuilder dying during the install.  I didn't
notice it the first time, but I get a CRC error from the disk while
Installer is checking the package.  I'm guessing I'll have to wait till
Monday morning to get in touch with tech support about a new disk, but
I'd really like to talk to any other FileMaster users out there about
a couple other little things....anyone home?



later daze...
jojo



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From: wolpert@mars (Florian Wolpert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Looking for SoftVoice (voice synthesis) software
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:32:56 GMT
Organization: PPG Hellige, Freiburg, GERMANY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

There is an application called TheBigMouth. It hooks into the services-menu
and offer voice synthesis. (it's rather a demo i think)
It could be found on various NeXT-FTP-Sites.

Flo.
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snail-mail to 2i Industrial Informatics, Haierweg 20e, D-7800 Freiburg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Subject: New release of Zip and Unzip
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:40:19 GMT


I have uploaded the source and executables for the new release of
Zip 1.9 and Unzip 5.0 to cs.orst.edu and nova.cc.purdue.edu, both
in the pub/next/submissions directory.  The files are:

     unzip50.tar.Z              unzip source
     zip19.zip                  zip source
     zip19-next.tar.Z           above compiled under 2.1 (zip & unzip)

This new release has countless new features over the old release, but
some highlights are better compression using the new PKZIP "deflate"
method and the ability to use zip and funzip as filters in place of
compress and zcat.

Mark Adler
madler@tybalt.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: What DTP/WP do tables (other than Frame)?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:14:21 GMT

tlm@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Tom Marchioro) writes:
  [someone else brings up the subject of using TeX for tables]
> This might be a good time in this thread to say to the friendly community
> of NeXT software hackers, "make this for me!"  I think it would be fairly
> easy for someone who knows NeXTstep and a little TeX to make a GUI
> front-end table driver for TeX.  Then, using the new -E option of dvips
> (which drives TeX to encapsulated postscript) you'd have a table
> you could resize (presuming you used PS fonts only, possible but
> non-trivial) drag and drop, etc. etc.  
> 
> The biggest problem would be that you probably couldn't *edit* the table
> once you'd made it, since that would require going back to TeX from an
> EPS file, a no go from the start.

The developer could do the same trick that EquationBuilder does.  Punch out  
postscript comments in that EPS file, using them describe the table in some  
format that the program would recognize.

> Why has someone not made a NeXTstep driver for tables?  The answer is 
> almost certainly that most people don't need tables very often (I think
> I've made only one in all my professional publications --- not a large 
> number to be sure :-}  and anyone who knows enough TeX to write the App
> also can easily knock out that once-a-year table when they need it.

I'm certainly not a heavy-duty DTP person, and I've had to create tables on  
a number of occasions.  I usually make do with tab-stops & fiddling with  
tabs.  I suspect that more people might use tables if there was an  
application which made tables easy to do.

It's not that people don't need tables, it's that they don't need them  
enough to go thru the hassle of getting their program to generate a table.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: dhg@sinix.UUCP (David Griffith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Ramdisk coming for NeXT (and InstantTeX woes)
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:25:53 GMT
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.

In article <1992Aug10.124010.21440@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> meyergru@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Uwe Meyer-Gruhl) writes:
>
>Honestly speaking: If someone needs more speed for perpetual access to the
>same old files over and over again (like with TeXing), a ramdisk is not
>the solution (at least for Unix users). It _is_ possible, though, to patch
>/sdmach so that it uses more than the usual 16 buffers (128 K). I have 
>configured my system to use 384 buffers (i.e. 3 MByte) and it works quite 
>well with that setting.
>

Wow! You Germans certainly know how to hack! Actually, if you're talking about
the number of buffers in the buffer cache, then 16 does seem way too low, at
least on a normal Unix system (don't know about Mach though). Would you like
to tell us what is required to increase this number? It's quite common to
access the same old files over and over again - that after all is why you
have a buffer cache.

Most commercial Unix systems provide the object modules and configuration
files that allow you to relink the kernel and vary things like the number
of buffers. This lets you tune the system to suit your machine configuration
(eg RAM size) and the uses you put it to. Why don't NeXT let you do this?
(Actually it seems to tie in with a general policy of not allowing the
owners to customize the system they've bought).

Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Re: WhichX?
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:37:18 GMT

sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell) writes:

>In article <1992Aug20.144448.15125@dvorak.amd.com> mbehrens@barqs.amd.com  
>(Mikael Behrens) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug19.203442.21031@tandem.com>  
>> chopper@gumbytsg.tandem.com (Michael Chop) writes:
>> | Hello fellow netters,
>> | 
>> | I will be plopping down some money on a X-package.  Could some  
>> X-package users post some reviews, reccomendations, or  
>> experience with them.  
>> | 
>> | I understand that the three major packages are co-Xist,  
>> eXodus, and cub-X.  

>I don't see mention of X-mouse, which I use.  X-mouse comes from McGill  
>University, and that's all I know about it.  Couldn't tell ya where to ftp  
>to.  I believe it's public domain.

>When you start up this X, NeXTstep vanishes and a standard-looking X  
>appearance takes over the screen.  This X does everything I've needed it  
>to do and I've run into few problems.  Some of the things I do are:  run S  
>(a statistics/graphics package) on a sparc but use the NeXT as the  
>display; run Motif/X programs from a Silicon Graphics machine with the  
>NeXT as display.

>You can suspend your X session and return to NeXTstep and then back again  
>with special keystrokes.

>There is a strange interaction with the Mail program, though.  If you  
>return to X with the NeXT mail program still running, X will.  This only  
>happens intermittently, though.
>--
>Greg Sandell
>Research Fellow, Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT)
>sandell@cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu

Regardless whats out there in PD for X I would go commercial.

For this reason, X on the NeXT is supported by volunteers who don't
gain commerically.  Now given NS3.0 is about to be released you can
be sure that the commerial vendors have made sure that their products
are compatible with future OS releases.

Just my thoughts on this matter.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: What goes into a Fax driver and which ones come with 3.0?
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:52:00 GMT

The subject line pretty much says it all.  I haven't seen a fax driver
for the Zoom line of modems, for instance, and I was considering
making my own.  However, I have no idea what one needs to do to make a
fax driver (what issues need to be resolved, where to go for
documentation on this topic, etc.)

On a related topic, what Fax drivers come with 3.0?

Thanks.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please