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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Women should be treated equal
From: WSU (Sweet Young Thing)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:21:38 -0600
Followup-To: alt.discrimination
Distribution: world
Organization: WSU

I am so sick of hearing about how men are treated unfairly when women
"invade" their work place. Sure, we may get our salaries increased, but our
starting salary is much lower.
However, I am not here to whine.  Women and men should be equal!!!  All you
men out there think about where you would be now if you didn't have women
in your life.  I think about all the men that have touched my life and am
thankful, not vengeful.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs)
Subject: Re: Tax Breaks for Decent White Folks
Organization: Alcatel-ELIN RC, Vienna, Austria
	<1992Aug3.230056.21191@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>
	<10126@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
	<1992Aug7.043019.5122@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:32:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.043019.5122@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

> >Reference, please.
> >
> 
> "During the last five years [1985-1989], however, women were such a potent 
> force in the economy that they took no less than 80 percent of all the 
> new jobs." [The American Almanac of Jobs and Salaries, J. W. Wright and E. T. 

What kind of jobs where taken by the women?
What kind of jobs where taken by men?

And: women loose jobs easier and much more often then men, so they
have to look much more often for new jobs - simply it explains, why
80% of the new jobs are taken by women.

> Dwyer, Avon Books, 1990.]
> 
> From 1981-1987 wives wages increased 21% while husbands wages increased 
> 12%.  US News and World Report, August 28, 1989, p. 102.

No proof for nothing. Increase 65% by 21% and 100% by 12 then you get
78% against 112%. So you have proofen what?

> Still looking for the other one.

Still waiting.

My reference: Women in the World. An international Atlas
	      by Joni Seager, Ann Olson

There women (in the US) earned in 1981 around 65% of men.

> Ted

Kurt
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
Subject: Re: Where The Buffalo Roam - 07Aug92 (GIF) part [1/6]
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

hans@csn.org (Hans Bjordahl) writes:

-> begin 644 wtbr080792.gif

Part 1, 2 and 3 showed up, but I never did see parts 4, 5 and 6.

Anybody ever get them?  

If so could you repost them or mail them to me?

Thanks
  John, asking a 2nd time.



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Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
From: ggmar@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
Subject: Instructions for printing PostScript files?
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:45:37 GMT

Can someone give me some tips on how to print the PostScript files from
a Sun Sparcstation and Sparcprinter? Do I uudecode first and then uncompress,
or is it the other way around? Any other steps?

Thanks in advance,

Gerald Marfoe
CU-Boulder, Spring 1990
B.S. Aerospace Eng. Sciences

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Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
From: deej@cadence.com (Jim Howard)
Subject: Re: Where The Buffalo Roam - 07Aug92 (GIF) part [1/6]
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc., San Jose, CA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:01:49 GMT

In article <VuoHPB1w165w@xocolatl.com> eoin@xocolatl.com writes:
>hans@csn.org (Hans Bjordahl) writes:
>
>-> begin 644 wtbr080792.gif
>
>Part 1, 2 and 3 showed up, but I never did see parts 4, 5 and 6.
>
>Anybody ever get them?  
>
>If so could you repost them or mail them to me?
>
>Thanks
>  John, asking a 2nd time.
>
>
>
> eoin@xocolatl.com  |   Practice Random Kindness    /~~~~~~~~~~~~~\  /
> GEnie: J.Snyder18  |             and              <  D A R W I N  >< 
> CI$:   70313,3111  |   Senseless Acts of Beauty    \_____________/  \
> Prodigy:  NOT!!!!  |                                 _l _l  _l _l 
>--------------------+   bounces?  Try:  eoin@eoin.net.netcom.com

	Lots of other people also mentioned they didn't get these parts.  I
    get the feeling we'll NEVER see them...

         ~ deej ~              | (If I were expressing Cadence's opinions, )
Jim Howard -- deej@cadence.com | (they'd probably make me wear a tie...    )
        (^:=             Flames cheerfully ignored.             =:^)
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Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
From: hsu_wh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (William H Hsu)
Subject: Supplier needed for copiers, toner, paper
Summary: office suppies dealer sought
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:35:33 GMT

	Please let me know if this is not the appropriate place to post this
-- it is the only one that seemed remotely apropos.


        I am looking for the "best" copier in the $500-$700 range. My criteria
are, in order of importance:

1. The ability to enlarge and reduce (at least one scale either way)
2. Quality of copies, of course (i.e. resolution, ability to increase darkness
without blurring, ability to "flatten out" pages from thick books)
3. Portability: (a) low volume -- esp. height; (b) low mass
4. Other features: (a) adaptability of power requirements; (b) letter/legal;
(c) speed; (d) toner efficiency / price

        If someone can suggest the lowest priced or best value dealer, please
post or mail me. Brand names are inconsequential, but I'd really prefer a
particular dealer. I'm only planning to purchase one (possibly two), so I'm
also in the market for a used copier with a high toner efficiency.

        On a related note, I am looking for the supplier with the lowest
prices for the following office media. I have indicated the quantity that
I normally purchase, which is typically single-unit (i.e. no bulk discounts),
and I'm taking that into account. That is, big coprporate bulk dealers don't
do me any good.

1. 18-20 lb. nonperforated white laser printer paper, ~5 reams
2. HP IIP toner catridges, 2-5
3. Copier machine toner (see above), 2-5
4. SyQuest removable disks, 88 meg, 2-3

        I'm also looking for a good 5.25" disk distributor (there's a GOOD
reason why I'm still using those things even though I already have 1.44
drives), particularly for DS/HDs (1.2 MB). In my experience, MEI has been
the best for 1.2's (<
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Proposed newsgroup: alt.music.techno
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:51:56 GMT

There is discussion of a new alt.music.techno newsgroup going on
in alt.config.
 
Please participate if you like.
 
--Eric
From: maryelen@hfx001.nstn.ns.ca (Mary Ellen )
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: Group of use to me?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:36:07 GMT
Organization: Industry Science & Technology Canada

I am searching for newsgroups etc. which would be of interest to the 
officers at Industry, Science, and Technology Canada. 

One works in manufacturing - not sector specific, just general manufacturing 
techniques and practices (one example he gave: Total Quality Management).

I was wondering - would this group be of interest (and more importantly, of 
use) to him in his work? I have seen the list of articles posted recently, 
and it looks promising, but I would like the opinion of some more 
experienced netters.

Thanks in advance!
Mary Ellen Foster
MARYELEN @ hfx001.ns.istc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.industrial.computing,comp.infosystems,comp.groupware,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.vms,comp.sys.dec
From: bhandarkar@wrksys.enet.dec.com (Dileep Bhandarkar)
Subject: Re: VAXnotes pricing    Was: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that ...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 12 AUG 92 16:42:55    


In article <12AUG199206554755@bestsd.sdsu.edu>, mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes...
>>|>}One of my employers is looking for something to use for conferencing
>>|>}on a VAX system, but has been quoted a $30,000 price for VAXnotes
>>|>}(they're a law firm, with some 800 users).  They find this unimaginable.
>>|>
>> 
>>boy.  ~40.00 per user.  gee that's sooo expensive.
> 
>Almost certainly, a small percentage of "regular" users will end up using 
>VAXnotes, so it won't be $40 per user. A more equitable license scheme 
>would allow for a concurrent user arrangement. $30,000 is WAY high.
> 
>Mike
> 
The last time I used a lawyer, the rates were $175 per hour. $30K is less
than 200 lawyer-hours!

Dileep
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.industrial.computing,comp.infosystems,comp.groupware,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.vms,comp.sys.dec
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that is my question...
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:48:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.001822.19619@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> wherry@arkham.enet.dec.com () writes:
}
}In article <1992Aug11.234206.23827@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
}|>In article <hank.713072926@well.sf.ca.us> hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts) writes:
}|>
}|>}One of my employers is looking for something to use for conferencing
}|>}on a VAX system, but has been quoted a $30,000 price for VAXnotes
}|>}(they're a law firm, with some 800 users).  They find this unimaginable.
}|>
}
}boy.  ~40.00 per user.  gee that's sooo expensive.
}
}brad

Watch those attributions, please.  Nothing in the above was said by me.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.industrial.computing,comp.infosystems,comp.groupware,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.vms,comp.sys.dec
From: mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney)
Subject: Re: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that is my question...
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:04:05 GMT

wherry@arkham.enet.dec.com () writes:
>hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
>|>hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts) writes:
>|>}One of my employers is looking for something to use for conferencing
>|>}on a VAX system, but has been quoted a $30,000 price for VAXnotes
>|>}(they're a law firm, with some 800 users).  They find this unimaginable.
>
>boy.  ~40.00 per user.  gee that's sooo expensive.

$30,000 for a law firm?  That's a lawyer's hourly fee.  Maybe DEC just wanted
to "give them a taste of their own medicine"?

	Darrin
-- 

mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu

"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."
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From: sander@rm222.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.industrial.computing,comp.infosystems,comp.groupware,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.vms,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that is my question...
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:44:15 GMT
Reply-To: sander@rm222.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


There are multiple licensing options that can be used. Instead of full unlimited
which is what the $30K sounds like, how about concurrent use licensing. That is
purchase a license that will allow a certain number of people to use notes
at the same time. Probably only 20-200 licenses would be needed (depending on 
how many concurrent users you think there will be). 
Xref: sparky alt.industrial:190 alt.industrial.computing:40 comp.infosystems:408 comp.groupware:704 comp.os.vms:13599 comp.sys.dec:4503 comp.sys.vms:41
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.industrial.computing,comp.infosystems,comp.groupware,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.vms
Subject: Re: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that is my question...
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:53:30 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Aug12.001822.19619@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, wherry@arkham.enet.dec.com writes:
> In article <hank.713072926@well.sf.ca.us> hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts) writes:
> >One of my employers is looking for something to use for conferencing
> >on a VAX system, but has been quoted a $30,000 price for VAXnotes
> >(they're a law firm, with some 800 users).  They find this unimaginable.
> 
> boy.  ~40.00 per user.  gee that's sooo expensive.

  I must be an old-timer. I remember when DEC folks were helpful and tried
to correct misconceptions about DEC products. I guess now it's everone for
himself and try to be the first one out the door.

  Instead of making some non-productive snide comment, how about looking in
the US Software Price List (current edition 29-Jun-1992, EC-C0824-98)? On
pages 679 and 680 you'll find the pricing for Notes, which ranges from $2180
on a 10-unit system (such as a VAXstation) through $70524 for a 9000-unit
system (which is equivalent to almost two VAX 9000-440's). Those prices are
before discount, BTW.

  However, that isn't the most efficient way to go. You could either purchase
concurrent user licenses for the number of users you expect to use Notes at
any given time, personal use license for designated users, or (most cost-
effective) a full-function license for the node that holds the Notes confer-
ences and client licenses for the other nodes. Assuming a 4000-300 as the
server (and that's a _big_ server) at $2180, you can get the same 9000 units
of client for $13208. To compare that with the $30000 of the original quote
(which I assume was actually a 2400-unit license at $31160), you'd use a 2400-
unit client license at $5850 with the 10-unit server license for a total of
$8030, again before discount.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.industrial.computing,comp.infosystems,comp.groupware,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.vms,comp.sys.dec
From: jspinnow@netcom.com (John Stewart Pinnow)
Subject: Re: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that is my question...
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 04:24:06 GMT
Organization: Tmoh Research, Milwaukee, WI


Get a news package called anu-news for your vax from a decus sig tape,
then setup local newsgroups. 

$30,000 is way to much for such a unflexable package, at least in my
experience. I found better conference packages in Public domain/Share ware.


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Newsgroups: alt.industrial,alt.industrial.computing,comp.infosystems,comp.groupware,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.vms,comp.sys.dec
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: VAXnotes pricing    Was: To use NOTES, or not to use NOTES, that ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:55:00 GMT

>|>}One of my employers is looking for something to use for conferencing
>|>}on a VAX system, but has been quoted a $30,000 price for VAXnotes
>|>}(they're a law firm, with some 800 users).  They find this unimaginable.
>|>
> 
>boy.  ~40.00 per user.  gee that's sooo expensive.

Almost certainly, a small percentage of "regular" users will end up using 
VAXnotes, so it won't be $40 per user. A more equitable license scheme 
would allow for a concurrent user arrangement. $30,000 is WAY high.

Mike



Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu
From: fad@zoo.bt.co.uk (Francisco A de Carvalho)
Newsgroups: alt.industrial
Subject: UserInterface prototyping Tool(s)
Keywords: Momentum Gain Prototyping
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:04:04 GMT
Reply-To: fad@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

Does anyone know anything about a GUI Prototyping tool called "Momentum" from
a company called "Gain" ?

 - Francisco
Newsgroups: alt.motss.bisexua-l
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: What it is all about..
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:55:16 GMT

bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena) writes:

>Bisexuality, for me, is an active choice and a philophosy.  A choice because 
>of my philophosy and a philophosy for the following reason:

>If it is to be said that a white person who will not date a black person is
>"prejudice", then does it not follow that a person who will not think of you
>in a sexual manner is also being prejudice.  The only reason that the male/
>female combo is nessary is for procreation and with technology the way it is   
>today (or if you can just pick up a horny person off the street) then the 
>procreations problem is solved.....

  It may be said that not dating a white who refuses to date a black is
prejudiced, but are there not also blacks who are equally predudiced about
interracial relationships?

>What you think?
  I think you're missing the point.  Who is going to provide the egg for
two gay males who want to have children?  Who will be host mother?  Who
will give the child a motherly influence? (And don't tell me that a motherly
influence isn't necessary because *three billion years* of evolution
has made us dependent on _both_ sexes.  They don't have to be biologically
related, but men and women have different viewpoints, some of them based
on biology, not just culture).

___________________________________
>"Women want it.....               l
> they want it all the time.....   l
> they want it anywhere.....       l
> but, perhaps not with you."      l
>___________________________________

  Uh huh.  So you're saying that you have a choice, and that is good,
but that others who exercise _their_ choice (however 'prejudiced' you
may see it) is wrong.  Get a life.

-- 
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From: bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena)
Newsgroups: alt.motss.bisexua-l
Subject: What it is all about..
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:23:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Bisexuality, for me, is an active choice and a philophosy.  A choice because 
of my philophosy and a philophosy for the following reason:

If it is to be said that a white person who will not date a black person is
"prejudice", then does it not follow that a person who will not think of you
in a sexual manner is also being prejudice.  The only reason that the male/
female combo is nessary is for procreation and with technology the way it is   
today (or if you can just pick up a horny person off the street) then the 
procreations problem is solved.....
What you think?



___________________________________
"Women want it.....               l
 they want it all the time.....   l
 they want it anywhere.....       l
 but, perhaps not with you."      l
___________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.motss.bisexua-l
From: arms@cs.UAlberta.CA (Bill Armstrong)
Subject: Re: What it is all about..
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:25:11 GMT

bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena) writes:

>Bisexuality, for me, is an active choice and a philophosy.  A choice because 
>of my philophosy and a philophosy for the following reason:

...

Dear Alena,

Do you mean philophosy or philosophy?  This is one case where you
can't have it both ways.

Their are two many spelling misteaks in you're groop. Its time for
all good righters to unsubscribe.

Take care (really!)

Bill
--
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University of Alberta; Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2H1
arms@cs.ualberta.ca Tel(403)492 2374 FAX 492 1071
Newsgroups: alt.motss.bisexua-l
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: What it is all about..
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:23:47 GMT

In article <20AUG199219231121@bestsd.sdsu.edu> bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena) writes:
>Bisexuality, for me, is an active choice and a philophosy.  A choice because 
>of my philophosy and a philophosy for the following reason:
>
>If it is to be said that a white person who will not date a black person is
>"prejudice", then does it not follow that a person who will not think of you
>in a sexual manner is also being prejudice.  
>What you think?
>

I don't think that a white person who won't date a black person or 
vice versa is prejudiced.  Who or what you are attracted to sexually
is based on a lot of factors, and everyone should be free to feel to
be attracted or not attracted to anyone, actual actions require consent.
However, if a white person is attracted to black people or someone
is attracted to someone of the same sex and they won't date them then
that person is racist or homophobic.  Choice is what it's all about,
and not interfering with other peoples choice.

Peace,
	Warren Watts

Newsgroups: alt.usenet.recovery,talk.bizarre
From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Strike a blow to stop .advocacy groups NOW!
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:30:10 GMT

gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) splutters:

>A Call for Votes has been issued for yet another .advocacy newsgroup.
>As everyone is aware, these groups are a vile conspiracy started by
>K*nt Paul Dolan for the purpose of increasing (as if that were
>possible!) the amount of flammage on Usenet.

>Strike back! Vote no!

if he's agin it, I'm for it.

>Send email to csmavote@wolves.durham.nc.us with NO NO NO NO NO in
>the subject. The world is counting on you!

I'm sure I don't know even what fucking group we are talking about
here (and I'll certainly never read it), but I just voted yes.

greggers, if you wanted people to vote *against* the group, you should
have posted urging them to vote *for* it.

WIAWPIO!!

josh