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Subject: Send a Postcard To Republican National Committee
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Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:50:51 GMT

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Postcards are now circulating containing the following text in part:

Chairman Rich Bond
Republican National Committee
310 First Street, SE
Washington, DC  20003


Chairman Bond,

I have had enough of the Republican Party's negative, personal
attacks.  By waging such a campaign, you have shown little regard
for the truth and little respect for the American people.

As I am sending this message to you, I am also informing you that
I will vote for Bill Clinton/Al Gore.  The Democratic Party and its
campaign aimed, not at preying on people's fears, but at building on
people's hopes.

Sincerely,
From: KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
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Subject: the Irish question
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:42:17 GMT
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James et al.:
OK, I'm back :)  The KErry ticket approves of Guinness (actually, I already
knew that, but needed to check some additional details).  If elected, we
will use our mandate to encourage improved education of American consumers
who have a tendency to drink the stuff too cold.

More pubs would be nice, too.

Kerry
who notes that the original porter brewery was at St. James's Gate, Dublin.
 My great-grandparents might've lived close by :)
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From: jwales@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Virtual Campaign
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:17:57 GMT

O.k., so various letter campaigns (E, N, etc.) keep sending us
little bits of stuff about why they should be elected.

Apparently, they do not recognize the REVOLUTIONARY THEORY
of ELECTION$ and DEBATE$ that I have put forward.  (Oh, sorry,
I slipped into LaRouchite mode.)

Anyhow, the point is that the president of this hyere joynt
orta be enjoyable.  And what do we enjoy more than pure and
unadulterated controversy?

Let me tell you... my (as yet not officially announced) running
mate and I can stir up more entertainment than a barrel of waxed
beans.

--Jimbo


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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:33:37 -0500
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@VAX1.UMKC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: did you ever vote for carter? have you never been mellow?
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I worked on the 1976 campaign as a member of Carter's primary staff, and
voted for him as an absentee balloter from Nebraska that year. In 1980, I
voted for Anderson in disgust with Jimmy's faltering leadership. VMS
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:29:20 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: gun control, kinda'
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:52:00 EST linda said:
>macp. said,
>
>>It is a deterrent, just not in the way you think.  It's not a means of
>>making people choose not to do it because of the penalty, it's to keep
>>them from doing it again.
>
>not to nitpic or anything, but accding to my dictionary a deterrent is
>something that inhibits or dissuades someone from certain behaviors through
>fear. a deterrent is before the fact. punishment is after the fact.
>yeah, you can stretch the definition by saying the death penalty deters that
>individual from doing it again, but i don't believe that is a valid definition.
>
>some other thoughts....because of the way things are structured now, it is rare
>that the death penalty results in death. we end up housing people for 10, 20,
>30
>yrs. on death row. i read somewhere (sorry don't remember where or when) that
>it is more costly for taxpayers to sentence someone to death row than to life.
>if that is so, i don't see how cost to taxpayers even enters into the death
>penalty issue (maybe i can find some reference to this - but not today - its
>friday after all).

Now tell the class *why* it costs a factor of several times more to
convict & kill someone...could it be:  a lengthy and multi-layered
appeals process?  Can you see lawyers dreaming of $$$$s because they
manage to pull a publicity-laden case out of the fire and thus
gain a lifetime of business as a result?

This is an oft-quoted series of figures and pretty readily available
whenver death penalty stories are published.

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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
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Subject: Re: Aztecs
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:39:15 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92101321052818@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>,         
CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET writes:
>         Judaism has given up the sacrifice ritual since the time of the
> destruction of the Second Temple in 70 or whatever AD or CE if you prefer
> (me I don't care what you call the date).

This is only because with the destricuton of the Temple, there wasn't a place
for the sacricfices to take place.

Dan
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:44:03 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New kid on the block...

>  Some pretty hot discussions on this message area. I, being a Rush
>Limbaugh fan and a Christian, know that my point of views are right.

  Umm, anyone taking bets on whether or not this is a joke?

                                         -Tim
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From:         I am Can Be Worshiped By Check Or Money Order Or Cash
              <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Guns, Freud, and Psychology

you all act as if this is a bad thing! You act like the world might
become a peaceful place.. you're wrong.. the only way to eliminate these
things is to completely change human instinct! I don't know any supreme
beings i could talk to that might change this... do you?
     as long as they're people t here will be violence, because as i stated
before.. violence is a result of anger.... anger is a human emotion
sorry to burst the idealistic bubbles... but that's the way it is!!


  John Stith(stustith@eku)
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:53:32 -0500
From:         MARTIN FOX <FOXML@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Did you vote for Carter

Macphil, my point was that Carter was a good president, but wasn't good
at politics( i.e. getting elected).  The character thing I was discussing
was not the shallow definition that the Republican attack machine uses,
but humaniatarian, and the closest we've come to a humane government.

>( Although Dan Quayle is an idiot, he gets this destinction from things
-----------------------------------------------> ???????????

I knew I shouldn't have said anything.

I was testing you.  It was intentional.  Really.

-Martin
 "I want to be a singer like Lou Reed"/ "I like Lou Reed", she said,
sticking her tongue in my ear/ Lets go, talk politics -- goes so good with
beer/ and why we're at it why don't you tell me 1 of your greatest fears/
I said...
           " Pixies ( of Course).
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:25:21 EST
From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Send a Postcard To Republican National Committee
Comments: To: Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@OHSTVMA.IUPUI.EDU>
              15 Oct 1992 18:50:51 GMT from <U56503@UICVM.UIC.ED U>

On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:50:51 GMT <U56503@UICVM.UIC.EDU> repeated:


Is there an echo echo in here???



>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Information in the public interest which does not imply that it
>is the opinion of UIC.  Contact 75300.3115@compuserve.com for
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>Postcards are now circulating containing the following text in part:
>
>Chairman Rich Bond
>Republican National Committee
>310 First Street, SE
>Washington, DC  20003
>
>
>Chairman Bond,
>
>I have had enough of the Republican Party's negative, personal
>attacks.  By waging such a campaign, you have shown little regard
>for the truth and little respect for the American people.
>
>As I am sending this message to you, I am also informing you that
>I will vote for Bill Clinton/Al Gore.  The Democratic Party and its
>campaign aimed, not at preying on people's fears, but at building on
>people's hopes.
>
>Sincerely,
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"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:16:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gun control, kinda'

        I find that Robert's accusing anyone of being biased against gays
is a little strange, even if he does make it as a joke.  While he does say
that he believes in tolerating them (I guess he means that they shouldn't
be stoned to death as in the Bible or thrown in concentration camps as in
the Third Reich), he does not believe that they should get any special
privileges.  Not only is the language that he uses in describing who shouldn't
get special privileges and why remarkably similar to that used to describe
a rabid hyena from hell, the special privileges he talks about are for the
most part the prilileges of being treated like a human being.

        While I personally am against gun control, I do think that the people
on the Right who think that gun control is the most important part of a
commie plot against the Christian West more than justify the term "gun nut".

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
From: andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU (Andy Freeman)
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Subject: Re: ==> 2nd Debate: Bush Just Doesn't Get It! (Rhetoric vs.
              Reality)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:03:09 GMT
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>       Through 1991, Bush has requested $1.1 billion more than
> Congress has appropriated.

Yup.  And Clinton is promising to spend even more.  Is Clinton
claiming that Congress will be less likely to go along with
his spending plans than it is to go along with Bush's?

Clinton's economic plan is a wild version of Bush's mild plan that has
been such a failure.

>       The Clinton/Gore plan would cut the deficit in half over four
> years. The plan includes $104 billion in tax cuts for the
> middle-class and the working poor, in addition to those making more
> than $200,000 each year pay their fair share and closing tax
> loopholes on foreign corporations. [Putting People
> First]

Try again.  Taking an additional 5% from the over $200k crowd won't
raise enough money to cover the promised tax cuts, let alone the
increased spending.  Even Perot has figured this out.

-andy
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From: KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
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Subject: Re: Crisis in leadership
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:41:09 GMT
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Our esteemed opponent wrote:
>  Perhaps I did misunderstand the intent of the comments,
>but one could hardly misunderstand the content.  There is
>a beer crisis in Kerry's state - what I fail to understand
>is why Kerry has waited 3 1/2 years to formulate a beer policy,
>and why none of these policies have yet been submitted as
>legislation.  Yes, there is a beer crisis in Kerry's state.
>But the real problem is one of leadership.

And of course, I cannot let this action pass without submitting an equal
but opposite reaction.  Mr. Johnson's failure of understanding stems from
failure of knowledge on his part, not failure of leadership on my part.  I
have, of course, been active in working to change the beer policy in my
state.  And my actions here are consistent with those I have taken in the
past.  Ask any member of the American Society of Mammalogists who first
exposed the infamous Library Rule in Utah -- and who, upon discovering this
iniquitous policy, immediately offered direct and effective action to
remedy the situation.

Vote for the party of action and change!
KErry
other president-in-waiting
From: U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET (Carl A. Lahetta)
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Subject: RE: To Those Who Voted For Carter
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:02:00 GMT
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> From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
> Subject:      RE: To Those Who Voted For Carter
> To:           "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020>
>
>         Carl, why didn't you just say that in the beginning?  It was so
> obvious what you were trying to do.  Are your posts goin to get nastier
> and your -------------+ on the end of your signature longer as we get closer
> to the election?  Used to be the -------+ got longer as you got nastier.
>
>                                         Chris

Chris,
   Was it so obvious?  I do not think that my posts are going to get nastier
and the "----------------+" varies randomly.

Carl
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Date: 15 Oct 92 04:41:00 GMT
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>I guess I must have turned off my hearing aid.
Ha, Ha
From: UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET (Peter J. Schledorn)
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Subject: Re: post-debate reaction: yes, my spirit is snoring!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:12:00 GMT
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> The American people just don't care about the demonstrations, and Perot said
> that quite well tonight, the difference about mistakes when you're young and
> mistakes when you're in authority.

I think you're right about people not caring, but I would never regard
Clinton's demonstrating as a "mistake."  Frustratingly, Clinton sounds
defensive about the whole thing, and that's a mistake.  The guy was
exercising his rights under the First Amendment, and nobody who has
sworn to uphold the Constitution should have any trouble with that.  If
Bush does, that calls _his_ judgement into question.

Best,
Peter

>                                         Chris Morrison
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:34:05 -0400
From:         "The Gilded Age is Alive and Well... or maybe it should be the
              Gelded Age" <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sorry...

also a point could be that of evolution... the ones that are smart
enough to survive will!!!! this is called natural selection...
and whether we do it by eliminating food sources or shooting each other
it doesn't matter... It'll  happen one way or the other.
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From: jwales@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: new tax scheme
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:31:59 GMT

Jason wrote to Kat:
>And about that remedial reading remark.  Look (like Jimbo pointed out
>a very good example of inconsistency in your posts),

?

I don't think that I pointed out any inconsistencies in KAT's posts.
There might be some, I don't have any idea.  But I don't think that
I pointed any out.

Just thought I would clear that up.

--Jimbo


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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:57:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Perot--in, out, what?

        When you get around to my age group give me a call.

                                        Chris
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:15:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Aztecs

        Isn't it a bit much anyway?  They weren't fit because they didn't
survive, and they didn't survice because they weren't fit.

                                                Chris Morrison
From: aquigley@unix1.tcd.ie (Aaron J. Quigley)
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Subject: Happiness is Bush
Summary: The one and the only
Keywords: Bush forever
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:12:52 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin



WELL THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAVE BEEN SHEAR BLISS FOR THE REST OF THE
WORLD>

President Bush has been and will always be the most chrasmatic leader of
this century.
He has lead the American people through the quagmire of the world's worst
recession since the the great depression of the thirties.
But now he is to be stabbed in the back be the American people, foe all
his years of selfless dedication to the needs of the Americans.

It really shows to the rest of the world how shallow and infantile
amrican culture really is, always wanting to take the soft option never
wanting to face up to the facts.

As always when times are good people don't really mind who's president
but when times are tough they want "the man for change" who ever that
might be reagardless of his qualifications to do the job properly, also
regardless of his previous activities.

But don't let me change your mind, but who would you like to see in
control of your nuclear weapons President Bush or the other guy.

?????
Your life .
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:47:13 -0400
From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject:      Ross's Home Video

In between Lindros's shifts, I watched Perot's 30 minute bit on CBS
last night.  First observation is that he obviously didn't spend a
lot on production costs or being prepped on how to look and act on
TV.  Second observation is that I think his no nonsense "let's look
under the hood and see what's broken and then we gotta fix it" folksy
in-charge style is going to strike a responsive chord in a lot of
people (I think it would strike a responsive chord in many more people
if he hadn't dropped out in July).

I'm beginning to think that this guy may play more of a role in the race
than I had thought.  It'll be interesting to see if he's able to continue
running his campaign on his rules (rather than the way the press or the
political mainstream say he ought to run it).

...Rick
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:20:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: 2nd Pres. Debate

        I wouldn't knock the moderator too much.  Listen, when I was in
school teachers would always say, "Now to Christopher who has an answer
to everything."  Not necessarily meant in a complimentary way, especially
if you had a habit of arguing with them and winning.  I think it means that
Ross approaches directly topics that most politicians avoid like the atomic
bomb.

                                        Chris Morrison

I agree on the rest of your post.  Clinton did win this one pretty squarely.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:15:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gun control, kinda'

        I used to know the guy that worked in the local mental health office
in our local jail.  He was a good guy and did his best, but he did not
exactly have the vast support of the people who ran it.  I have another
friend (actually a whole bunch of them) who ran around, drank and did
drugs, and for who(m?) burglary was a major hobby.  Several of them have
been in and out of jail all their lives and always will.  But the one who
has spent the most time in state prisons, my mother and I just got him into
rehab for his coke habit last year, and he has been doing alright since he
finished the rehab.  Almost didn't finish the rehab.  But did and now is
doing OK.  But I remember when his father used to beat him, or send his
brother out to beat him, and he would end up spending the night in our cellar
because he was afraid of what his father would do to him.  Several of them
were beaten by their parents.  You should have seen what we went through
trying to get help for them.

                                                Chris Morrison
                                                CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:25:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Demo Party Emblem or Truth in Advertising

Robert, why you pull a condom over your head.  You already have one there,
but we still hear you.  Try a few more.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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