HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bvh@cse.unl.edu (Ben Hollingsworth)
Subject: Question: corrupted directory
Summary: How do I purge a corrupt directory?
Keywords: directory, corrupt
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: global
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:26:40 GMT

I have a question:

I've had Falco's Tetris 3.0.1 in my 48 for some time, and it's always
worked just fine.  Last week, however, I was playing it and tried to
pause it (class was ending :-).  It then proceeded to blank the screen
and put the hourglass symbol on solid.  I let it sit this way for about
30 seconds and then tried to kill it, but it wouldn't respond to ON or
OFF, so I yanked my solve equation library (the calc was still on).
I realize this was probably a bad idea, but I didn't know what else to do.

This brought the calc back into a usable mode, but I can no longer move
into the Tetris directory or purge it from memory.  Trying to move into it
blanks the screen & lights the hourglass for ~3 seconds and then places
me in my home directory with the math menu on the screen.  Trying to
purge the directory just sits there with the hourglass on forever.

I don't care to recover the directory, but I do need the ~8K of space
back.  Any ideas how I can do this?  I do have a cable & PC, if it helps.

				Thanks in advance,
				Obi-Wan

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From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:43:15 GMT
Subject: Re: External input to HP48 (question)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

In comp.sys.hp48, ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch writes:

> I'm looking for a program (IBM PC) to convert graphics from PCX, TIFF or 
> others to the HP48-GROB-Format.
> With such a programm I could scan pictures on the PC and use them in HP48
> programs.

On the Corvallis BBS, you can find a file called TIF2GROB that turns TIFF 
files into HP-48 grobs.  Since you're writing from Switzerland, you should
try 'telnet hpcvbbs.fc.hp.com' to get there.  (QUESTION FOR OTHERS:  Does
hpcvbbs support FTP?)

The best commercial MS-DOS project for graphics file conversions is called
Hijaak.  Hijaak is the most versatile conversion program I've found, as it can
handle conversions between nearly every graphics file format that exists.
I'm sorry I don't remember the manufacturer's name, but it should be available 
in computer stores in Switz.  Cost over here is US$99.


Regards
Ray Depew
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
I don't speak for HP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: TOBIAS@bonnie.physik.uni-stuttgart.de ()
Subject: Re: HP 48 card for Apple's Newton?? 
Organization: Physics Dept, University of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:35:56 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <D89MARHO.92Aug25195137@odal8.curofix> d89marho@odal8.curofix writes:

> 
> Drooooooool!!!  Yes, I *like* it!  I think the idea of Apple's Newton
> is great (it about time *somebody* made one of these things, I've
> wanted them for long enough) and Apple's Newton with an HP-48SX
> emulation card that performed at the same speed as, or greater speed
> than, the original is just wicked!  Where's the queue?
>

Ridiculus to use a mashine with the speed of approx. 300% of a
40 MHz 68030 to run the 48 code on it. 
With that power it should be no problem (although there might be
a memory problem) to write a something like maple.

Bye. Tobias

 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ETLANE@UTCVM.BITNET (Eric T Lane)
Subject: HP48s for sale
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:43:29 GMT

HP48s $140+postage or best offer
7months old; got an SX, needed the expandability!
From: windsor@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (Rob Windsor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Wanted: Remote Control
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:25:14 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu


akcs.mage@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (William H. Blohm) writes:
>Please post where as I am also interested.  I saw it once and could
>not make it work so dumped it as I thought it was bad.  When I looked
>for a replacement I couldn't find anything other than references to a
>"new and more compact" version but no reference to WHERE!  As added
>incentive to posting where it is (ftpable, please), I want to be able
>to override my mom-in-law's remote control when we visit!  ;^)
>

It (and MANY other programs) can be ftp'd from 'seq.uncwil.edu'.  The
remote control programs (there are two of them) can be found in the
subdir "/hp48/EduCalc" in the file called "horn5.zip".  If you need
PKZIP, it's in "/hp48/archive_utils/zip/DOS" for MS-DOS users.  Sorry,
Mac people, I'm not literate on Mac software (somebody?).. 

If you are running under unix, check with your sys-op to see if UNZIP
and ZIP are installed......

Hope this helps!
-- 

Rob@K-State.Manhattan.Kansas.USA.Earth

To the computer: windsor@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: lkv@mania.hotb.sub.org (Lutz Vieweg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: unpostable sex48pos
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 11:16:25 GMT
 <2a9283af.1591.9comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> <d-#ngcm.payner@netcom.com>
 <1992Aug20.131514.15153@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
Organization: The Funny Farm
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 alpha rel3

In article <1992Aug20.131514.15153@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, Joseph James Ervin writes:

> Incidentally, it sounds to me like RFU could use some better 
> argument checking.  
> 
> Lutz, if you're still reading this group do you think we could 
> work to change this from a bloodbath into something constructive?

Well, of course I'm still reading this newsgroup, though my time
is just too expensive to me that I'd like to waste it for following-up
non-constructive flames. And my kill-file prevents me from reading
most of that shit. 

As far as I've seen there's a frustrated guy who tells everyone
my QED and RFU were crashing. The only things I can say about this:

- There are 422 registered users of QED (V1.07) around the world. Today,
  number 423 will be distributed. I haven't received such a 'crash'-report
  from any of them. I'm using QED by myself nearly every day. There
  was no crash, either.
  
  I never received any mail from that thing called
  mgn00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com. And it seems I haven't missed something.
  
- RFU did not crash on my calculator also, and it's source is in
  the public domain, so anyone who has problems with it is invited
  to either fix it by himself or to send me a bug-report.

So please, if you tell me that RFU needs some better argument
checking, give me more details. Which program crashed on your
calculator (RFU or RFP?) and under which circumstances?

This is what RFU does to check whether the object on the stack
is a valid RF-Archive:


main	
	textr	"HPHP48-E"
	
	rpl	Type_pgm
	
	rpl	Need_1_arg
	
	rpl	$02dcc
pgmbeg	
	rpl	pgmend-pgmbeg
	
	jsr	save_regs
	
	jsr	gc	; garbage collection
	
	jsr	restore_regs
	
	move.a	(d1),c
	move.a	c,d1
	move.a	(d1),a
	move.a	#$02a2c,c	; String ?
	bne.a	a,c,.2o
	
	add.a	#5,d1
	move.a	(d1),a
	move.a	#5+5+5,c
	blt.a	a,c,.2o	; long enough?
	
	add.a	#5,d1
	move.a	(d1),a
	move.a	#$24652,c		; !v
	beq.a	a,c,.2n	; RF-Object ?
.2o	
	bra	bad_arg_error
.2n	

cu, Lutz Vieweg

PS:  If you follow-up on this article and want me to read it, please
     send me a copy via mail.

PPS: People sometimes seem to forget that 'Free Software' also means
     they are free not to use it.
From: eldorado@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: xy-modem BUG
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:32:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

a20966@itesocci.gdl.ITeso.MX (a20966@itesocci.gdl.ITeso.MX) writes:
: After long experimenting we discovered a kind of bug in the
: nevertheless fantastic xymodem-library (all versions).
: 
: thomas boerner, dortmund, uet008@ddohrz11.bitnet

So what's this about xmodem and ymodem?  When did this happen and where do
we get it?

Dave
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From: d89-bga@nada.kth.se (Bjorn Gahm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Large Strings
Keywords: Strings
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:53:51 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

Hi!
Is there a way to add a small string to a very large one ?

When I have a string (or any object of any kind) and adds to it the system
makes copies of the two parts and performs the task on the copies.

Ie if I have a string of size 15000 bytes and wants to add 20 more bytes 
the hp48 runs out of memory. (I have approx 5000 bytes of free memory)
(The objects are only on stack and not stored)

Is there a way to bypass the system and just add without having the hp48 
making copies first?

Thanks in advance......

-- 
          Bjorn Gahm        Email: d89-bga@nada.kth.se
                            Snail: Forskarbacken 10/315
                                   104 05 STOCKHOLM
From: dleemann@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: development link
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:13:08 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hi there,

Does ANYONE have any experience with the Development Link (EDUCALC $99.-)
Does it pay of the price ? (eventhough one might already have the serial
interface kit ...)

Any response as email or such to dleemann@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

thanx Daniel
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Sytem RPL : Problem with entries
Message-ID: <2aa3f375.1640.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

I'm not sure that the entries3 files are formatted the same as the HP
provided entries.a file.  If this is true, you cannot use the entries3
stuff with the sasm program provided by HP.

Furthermore, if you can get the entries3 file to work with sasm, your
code will not be very transportable.  By this I mean that people with
only entries.a will not be able to compile your code.  If that doesn't
matter to you, that's fine.  I use only the entries in the entries.a file
for several reasons:
  1)  code transportability
  2)  entries.a are the "supported" commands from HP
  3)  I can call other entrie points by thier addresses, which also
      serves to deliniate them from the "supported" entrie points

I just use the entries3 file for a reference table of entrie points that
others have "discovered".  My thanks to the autor of these lists (M.
Heiskenan, I think - sorry if that's spelled wrong).

Good luck and I hope this helps.

Bill Levenson

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Subject: Re: HP 48 card for Apple's Newton?? 
Reply-To: ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:10:36 GMT


In article <1992Aug26.093556.6972@news.uni-stuttgart.de>, TOBIAS@bonnie.physik.uni-stuttgart.de () writes:

|>In <D89MARHO.92Aug25195137@odal8.curofix> d89marho@odal8.curofix writes:
|>
|>> 
|>> Drooooooool!!!  Yes, I *like* it!  I think the idea of Apple's Newton
|>> is great (it about time *somebody* made one of these things, I've
|>> wanted them for long enough) and Apple's Newton with an HP-48SX
|>> emulation card that performed at the same speed as, or greater speed
|>> than, the original is just wicked!  Where's the queue?
|>>
|>
|>Ridiculus to use a mashine with the speed of approx. 300% of a
|>40 MHz 68030 to run the 48 code on it. 
|>With that power it should be no problem (although there might be
|>a memory problem) to write a something like maple.
|>
|>Bye. Tobias
|>
|> 
|>


3 times as fast as a 40MHz 68030?  ...and it runs on batteries?

Um...call me skeptical, but I'll believe it when I see it.

>>>Joe Ervin
From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:40:08 GMT
Subject: Sparcom Drive95 Bug
Message-ID: <2aa1bff4.1636comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
From: hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re:  1.3" 20Meg drive from HP
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:20:37 GMT
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.

In article <claudio.03pq@amsoft.net.ch> claudio@amsoft.net.ch (Claudio Nieder) writes:
>This is from "Electronics World + Wireless World" August 1992, page 622:
>
>"HP is highlighting the built-in shock-sensing chip-based technology analogous
>"to the air-bag crash systems being fitted to modern cars. The chip can sense a
>"fall and brace the drive for the shock before it happens...

A peril-sensitive IC?

"How do you know so much about bicycling?"

Apologies to Monty Python.

-dave

-- 
Dave Hsu                           <hsu@pix.com> -or- <hsu@eng.umd.edu>
Caffeine and Salsa Czar	          "Yeah?  Well there are a lot of people out
Pix Technologies Corporation       there who are full of shit and making money.
Have nerds, will telnet.           And *I'm* not going to be the exception."
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP48S vs. HP48SX
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:34:55 GMT
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ


Anyone know the differences between these two systems besides $$?
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: wild9118@nova (wilder mark j   )
Subject: Re: calculating resistence
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:09:29 GMT

Is it written by David Sprekle?  If it is, use the <NEXT> key to move
the menu highlighter up one line, the arrow keys to move the cursor on 
the resistor picture, and to enter a resistence put the menu bar
highlighter on the top bar and press <A>-<D>.

Mark
From: mckeeveb@monashee.sfu.ca (Gumby - The unknown user)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: RAMCARDS FOR SELL 128 KB
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:48:51 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

enag@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

>Martin Kunze <Martin.Kunze@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de> writes:
>|
>|   Here is a REPOST.

>Go away.  This is not biz.ads.hp48.

Yes, please do!

Although I don't like the concept of kill files for news,  your tempting
me.

If your ramcards are so good, why not get EduCALC to sell them?
Surely you would get agreater volume of customers.  I can only
assume from your advertising here, that either EduCALC has turned
you down, that your merchandice is of inferior quality and would
never sell through such an agency.

Whatever your motives are, please don't continue to post and repost
such notices.  I agree with the person who said a while back that
once was alright (as a product announcement), but it just getting on
people's nerves.

Possible solution: Get whoever's in charge of archives (at seq.uncwil.edu?)
	to create a file of 'ads' for just such products and how to apply
	for a spot.  This way, people can do some low-level marketing without
	annoying those of us who don't want to read it.  Opinions, anyone?

-- 
    Rob McKeever  VE7ICJ  rmckeeve@sfu.ca  mckeeveb@sfu.ca  604-463-3863
"Actually, I'm a little envious of Murphy Brown.  At least she's guaranteed
of coming back this fall" - Dan Quayle, on the sitcom 'Murphy Brown'
       -*-          Standard Disclaimers should be adequate        -*-
From: Borel@elsrfm.epfl.ch (Borel Philippe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP 48 RAM Card
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:49:07 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp48
Distribution: eu
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Hi!
I'm the proud owner of an HP48SX and I would like to expand it's
memory.
I'm looking for somebody that may have 128K or more RAM cards for
a (very) low price...

Please let me know it.

Thanx.
From: smyers@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (steven myers)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:44:00 GMT
Subject: 48s expansion question
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

 	I have an HP48s and am dissatisfied with only having 32k to play
with.  Since the 48sx has the ability to upgrade to 256k expansion cards,
it occured to me that the 48s probably has the ability to expand to the same
capability, if one could get a set of schematics and hard wire in the upgrade
memory chip in the place of the old 32k chip.  Anyone who knows anything about
this, send me a line at my mailing address.  Any suggestions are helpful.
	If not, do you know anyone that doesn't use the full capabilities of
their 48sx that would like to trade theirs for mine plus $$?

			With Love,
			With respect.
			Steve.
			smyers@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: jshea@eng.clemson.edu (john mark shea)
Subject: Re: HP 48 card for Apple's Newton??
Summary: 48 card probably not practical
Keywords: Apple, Newton, HP, 48, math
Reply-To: jshea@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:07:44 GMT

    I really don't think that a 48 card would really be practical or cost-effective to 
manufacture.  The pen routines would need SEVERE modifications in order to identify
mathematical symbols.  EX: How do you tell an integral from the letter 'S' ; how to you
tell a derivative from a small 'd'.  
     The pen based routines were (according to what I've heard) designed to deal with
English letters, numbers, and symbols and also certain types of graphics.  They are designed to work with anyone, although they are also trainable.  
     What seems like a much better idea to me would be an HP calculator in the shape of
Newton with a large touch screen, etc.  Buttons could just be displayed as images on
the screen.  This would allow displaying large graphs and graphics, multiple line menus, etc.  And the machine wouldn't have to spend its time trying to figure out
what you were writing, because you could still use the simulated buttons.
     Any comments on this idea (even flames) will be appreciated

					John


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: walton@cs.utah.edu (Cory woody Walton)
Subject: Interface cable wanted
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:24:20 MDT
Originator: walton@cs.utah.edu
Keywords: interface cable, data encoding
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Arrrgg!  I am no longer able to stand being without an interface cable.  Does
anyone know where someone could get one for real cheap (I I don't have the
$100 that HP wants for it's package).  A do-it-yourself kit or anything would
be fine.  Please mail any sources to walton@cs.utah.edu.  Thanks.

P.S.  In looking at these programs posted to the net I see uuencode files
  (which I know how to work with) and ?.asc files (which I know nothing about)
  Are they both supposed to represent the same data, just different ways of
  encoding it for transmission, or are both files needed for the complete
  program?  And where could I get the ?.asc encoder/decoder for the Macintosh?
  Thanks for any help that anyone can offer (I looked in the manual about
  data transfer, and found only information on the %%HP header, not about the
  data format, what I've seen posted doesn't look like RPL or ML in standard
  ascii text).


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kartano@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko Kartano)
Subject: EduCALC FAX number, anyone?
Reply-To: Mikko.Kartano@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:39:01

If you have the fax number for EduCALC, please email me.

Thanks,
Kartano
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Sytem RPL : Problem with entries
From: cohen@cmu.unige.ch
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:37:33 +0200
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland

Hi all!
I downloaded a few days ago the file ENTRIES3 from seq and I have
the following problem: when I try to assemble it with the command
sasm entries.a entries.o , I get an error message (symbol error)
after 30 seconds.
Anyone could tell me what I'm doing wrong or post the file
ENTRIES.O uuencoded, it would be great...

Thanks for any help
Daniel COHEN-LAROQUE
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
e-mail: cohen@cmu.unige.ch
        
       
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:30:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Downloading PC-Hp48
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

In comp.sys.hp48, morton@qucdntri.ee.queensu.ca writes:

> ... , but what 
> protocol do I use? Kermit? Xmodem? 

Use Kermit.  It's in The Fine Manual.  Try Chapter 33:  "Transferring Data 
to and from the HP48."

> (Insert profuse appologies if this _is_ somewhere in the manual, or FAQ
> that I didn't find.)

Hmm.  Okay.  But there's a whole chapter about it; it's kind of hard to
miss.  They must be working you guys awfully hard at Queen's.


Regards
Ray Depew
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
(No, I make IC's, not calculators.)




Oh No!  A daemon has possession of my keyboard again!  It's forcing me to
hold down the -- thE -- tHE -- THE SHIFT KEY!

AND NOW IT'S FORCING ME TO TYPE -- AUGH!!!! NO!!!! I WON'T DO IT!!!!!

	R ...

NO!  I MUST RESIST!

        T ...

NO!  YOU CAN'T MAKE ME HIT THE "F" KEY!  I WILL NOT!

        F ...

I'LL FIX YOU!  I'LL HIT :W BEFORE YOU MAKE ME PRESS "M"!
From: lepard@mayo.edu (Kevin O. Lepard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: 2D DFT and IDFT
Keywords: Fourier, 2d, DFT, IDFT
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: lepard@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation


---
Is anyone aware of software for the hp48 that will do 2d DFTs and 2d IDFTs?
I'm taking a 2d digital signal processing course that starts soon, and I'd
like to be able to use my 48 for as much of it as possible.  Is there any
software on the net that does this or is anyone aware of an expansion card 
that can handle these sorts of tasks?

Also, can someone help me with list manipulations?  I'd like to be able to
do summations on what I would call a variable, say, x(i) where the value of
x(i) can be any complex number.

Thanks for your help!

Kevin
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Internet:  lepard@mayo.edu

Disclaimer:  These opinions are mine alone and do not necessarily represent
those of the Mayo Foundation, Mayo Clinic, or any other person or institution.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48