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From: 00sndavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Stallone buys TARDIS
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:24:15 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <HuquTB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger) writes:
> duzan@tweety.cis.udel.edu (Gary D. Duzan) writes:
> 
> - In article <WHITEHEC.92Nov5113908@panda.cs.man.ac.uk> whitehec@cs.man.ac.uk (
> - =>
> - =>Apparently Sylvester Stallone bought a police box at an auction
> - =>of TV memorobilia.  It wasn't the Doctor Who prop,  but an identical
> - =>one from Dixon of Dock Green.  God knows what he wants it for!
> - 
> -    Maybe he is planning on playing the Doctor in the Doctor Who movie
> - and is wanting to practice. :-)
> - 
> -                                         Gary Duzan
> -                                         Time  Lord
> -                                     Third Regeneration
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - -- 
> -                              duzan@cis.udel.edu
> -    _o_                       ------------------                         _o_
> -  [|o o|]       Virtual Reality? No thanks, I've already got one.      [|o o|]
> -   |_O_|       Disclaimer: I have no idea what I am talking about.      |_O_|
> 
> 
> Okay, and I could just imagine the only speaking part for him would be:
> 
>           "Ay - oh, Rass-i-lon!"  <Grin!>  (I had to put that in!)
> 
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He probably bought it for his restaraunt in New York called Planet Hollywood.
It's like a Hard Rock Cafe only filled with movie and tv stuff. He and
Bruce Willis are co-owners. Recently, a vial from the movie Death Becomes Her
was donated, and some models from Star Trek (Spock! Help Me! Spock!).
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Movie
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:38:17 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <BxHA3H.D39@news.orst.edu>, schatzj@WTFD.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Schatz) writes:
>     This is my first time posting her , so please excuse any mistakes.
>     
>     I was wondering what was going on with the Dr  movie that is being
>     produced in America. Is this still happening? And does anyone know when
>     it will be released.
>     
> 	 Thank You e


God, I hope not!  

My cousin found and bought a pirate copy of the script for this proposed
movie and I read some of it.  I had to stop about a third of the way in
because I couldn't stand it anymore.

The opening scene before the credits takes place in Victorian England
out on the streets.  We see Jack the Ripper approach a prostitute and
begin to kill/dismember her, when the prostitute turns around and pulls
off a wig to reveal the Doctor.  The Doctor then pulls off a mask off
of the Ripper to reveal an alien.  He then gets rid of the alien 
(I forget how, but the alien is either gone from the planet or killed),
turns and runs down a street being chased by policemen, gets into the
TARDIS at the end of the street and takes off.

Then the credits roll.

When we come back to the action, we're inside the TARDIS and the Doctor
is getting a message from his "companion" over the scanner screen.
She is on Gallifrey telling him to report back (!) as there is some
trouble he needs to deal with and he does.

The villains in the piece seem to think that by possessing a TARDIS'
Time Rotor, they will then have the key to time travel, and they set
about a "Key to Time" type search for missing segments of the Rotor
and the key to the ship the Rotor is housed in.  And so we wind up
planet-hopping and era-hopping a LOT.  Every other scene seems to shift
to a new locale.

The Doctor also seems to pick up new companions in the story quite early
on and voices no objections whatsoever to these companions carrying
heavy arms and machine guns with them, not even when they use them in a
bullet spree in a 20th century museum.  They're aiming for the villains
and instead take out thirty civilians and he doesn't say a word!!!!

At one point, the villainess has the Doctor alone in his cell, and she
starts stepping to his side saying, "Think of what we could have had
together Doctor."  

This was the point where I threw the script down in disgust.

On top of that, as if it weren't bad enough, the dialog was the most
cliched and stilted thing I had ever seen, Gallifrey was being treated
like Time Police Central, with the Doctor and other "Time Lords" coming
in and out like it was a New York precinct, all on missions somewhere.
Hardy a non-interference directive is it?



If this is truly the script for the Doctor Who Movie, and it did look
authentic, then I for one will not be cueing up to see it.


Steven.K.Manfred
From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Caves of Androzani
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 01:31:41 -0500
Organization: Lost In Space

In <1992Nov6.202046.3341@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Peter W. Losher) writes:

>> Regarding Message : RE: CAVES OF ANDROZANI
>> Written By        : doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes)

>>> Well, you'd have to figure that even if that were the case, the queen
>>> bat wouldn't just have enough milk to fill one small vial. Even if the
>>> Doctor was trying to be nice to Peri, he'd fill the vial first. But in
>>> all reality, he'd STILL (after filling the vial) see if there was any
>>> more milk (which undoubtedly there was), and then drink some himself.

>>     . . . But wouldn't he fill the vial, drink it up and then fill it up again
>>to give to Peri . . . That would sound more logical, but then in Doctor Who . .
>>. "What Is Logical?" . . . 

>It's been awhile since I've seen this story, but I do recall the Doctor
>making a comment that there was only enough milk for one person, so he
>couldn't have drinken some and still had enough left for Peri.

With Peri near death, mudbursts going off all around him, and his oxygen
supply running out, the Doctor wouldn't have had time to take his dose
while still in the cave.  He filled the vial with enough bat's milk for 
*two* doses and went to get Peri.  Later, when he is fumbling around in
his pocket for the TARDIS key, he accidentally drops the vial and spills
some onto the ground.  What was left was only enough for one person.

-- 
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                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B

"First things first ... but not necessarily in that order" - The Doctor
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Warrior's Gate and Logopolis
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 05:57:42 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

xrandy@unixg.ubc.ca (Randy J. Thomson) writes:

- In article <FcgiTB8w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
- >CVE's and Entropy is the order of the day here.
- >
- >Warrior's Gate:  the possibility of mathematical vanishing exists near the
- >                 point of a CVE.  Doomsday for microcosm.  is it possible th
- >                 the CVE would have disappeared on the way.
-
- I believe that it would have disappeared.  If it is a singularity, it is
- dimensionless.  Can a dimensionless "object" contain anything?  Hmm...

 Exactly!!  If the Gateway to N-Space and E-Space become dimensionless,
 bye-bye Gateway and goodbye any hope of a CVE. OH-OH!!  Trouble.

-
- >
- >Logopolis: Thanks to a backfire, entropy is released into the Universe. CVE
- >           is closing.  D-day is at thand, since Logopolis is destroyed.
- >           The only way to stop the eternal destruction is to open a CVE.
- >
- >Given the scenarios:  could it be possible that if in Warrior's Gate the CVE
- >                      disappeared into a singularity, the universe would be
- >                      next, both E- and n-space?
- >
-
- I don't think so.  It was my understanding that the mathmatics of the
- Logopolian(?) resulted in holding back the progression of entropy, and
- that the current sitiuation is that the universe has gone well beyond the
- point that entropy would have caused the demise of everything, if it had
- not been for their math.  I think that at the time of the end of Logopolian
- society, the normal course of entropy re-initiated from where it had left
- off at the initiation of the math.  Therefore, the end of the universe
- was insured, but not for a long time.  The Doctor's rush was to reopen
- a CVE to halt entropy again, not to stop the sudden and impending end
- of the universe.

  Now, imaging if Gateway closed.  CVE's might have become a moot point.
-
- --
-
- - Randall J. Thomson            << rthomson@pulmonary.ubc.ca >>
-
- "There's no point in being grown-up if you can't be childish when you want to


Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
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From: jblum@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (The Maven)
Subject: Re: Looking for some incomplete story audios
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:06:47 GMT

In article <os902821.721620463@ash> os902821@ash.canberra.edu.au (Scott  
David McLauchlan) writes:
> BTW, this is also a problem with "The Chase". In Episode 1 the TARDIS  
crew
> watch the Beatles on the Time-Space Visualizer. Once again, it would be
> expencive for the BBC to include this scene if and when they release
> "The Chase" on video.

Well, if they can afford it for the release to the American TV stations,
where it's been shown uncut, why would a video release cost that much
more?
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Subject: Visions '92 Roommate Needed!
From: Me, silly! <JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:29:55 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Yes, this is another request for a Visions '92 roommate.  I need a fellow
female to help defray costs of the hotel room.  I would prefer a non-smoker,
but I'll suffer gladly if it means I won't have to pay quite so much for the
room.  Email replies to me at jap8@psuvm.psu.edu .  Thanks.

Cheers,
Jean Prior aka Chainsaw-the-formerly-.sigless-but-whose-.sig-is-in-the-shop.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: all right, now daleks.. (
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:06:16 EST

In both Doctor Who movies (to date), Peter Cushing has played the role
of Doctor Who, who is definately not the Doctor.  <He's a human
scientist>
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From: ano@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Adrian Ogden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Logopolis title theory
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:23:41 GMT
Organization: University of Reading


In <BxKt1p.8vs@hfglobe.intel.com> hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum) writes:

>>The Castrovalva design looks like M.C.Escher art, IMHO.  Was "Castrovalva"
>>something he drew?

Yes it was. It showed a long view of a hill/mountainscape with a city
high up in the extreme foreground. So the setting bears a passing
resemblance to the one in the story. The irony is that after having
created an Escher-like illusion of the city, they then named it after
one of his non-graphic/illusory works; Castrovalva is a straightforward
landscape picture.


<<  Adrian Ogden -- "Sic Biscuitus Disintegrat" -- ano@csres.cs.rdg.ac.uk  >>

        "Patron, three glasses of water! Make them doubles!"
From: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: The most annoying war...
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:52:34 GMT
Reply-To: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: geurink@dopey.cc.utexas.edu

OK, folks... picture this...

	It's a future time in two alternate universes; a titanic galactic
mishap throws each of those universes' most aggressive, hostile races
against one another.  I think it'd go something like this...

	Dalek Leader:  SURRENDER AT ONCE.  FAIL TO DO SO AND YOU WILL BE
			EXTERMINATED!

	Borg Commander:  Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated.

	Legion of Daleks:  EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!!!

	Ship o'Borgs:  A-SSIM-IL-ATE!!!!

	ASSIMILATE!  EXTERMINATE!  ASSIMILATE!  EXTERMINATE!
	(Zap!  Pow!  Kerfratz!  Ererererererer!  WHEEEeeeeeoooooop!)

	Q:  I'm getting a headache already! (Waves hand.  Everything
		disappears.)  Much better.

	(a blue police box materializes next to the relaxing entity. a
		funny-looking man and woman wearing animal-skins step out)

	Doctor:  Hello!  I'm the Doctor!  I say, have you perchance seen
		a rather nasty race of armored pepper-pots roaming hereabouts?
		Hmmmm?

	Q:  Oh, it's another of you bothersome beings from that other 
		dimension.  (Sighs)  Well, if you must know....

	(A sparkling light display occurs between the DOCTOR and Q.  When it
		ends,  three people in funny suits are standing there.)

	Riker:  Q!  I should have known!  Allright -- where are the Borg?
		We know they were down here!

	(WORF spots LEELA and growls menacingly.  He's rather startled when
		she growls back...)

	Q:  If you'll let me explain...

	Doctor:  (to DATA)  Hello!  I'm the Doctor!

And so on and so forth.  Whatta mess...

		What a boring night...
			Josh Geurink, CVE

email me!  aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu  (ignore the header.  I NEVER use
this account.)
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Subject: Re: What this sleepy group needs is a TOP TEN LIST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:05:35 EST
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy

Well, Chad Fogg wrote a large number of nifty Top Ten Lists and posted them
here a few years ago. I wrote him once asking him to re-post them but he
said it would be tricky to dig up all the best ones from his archives.

I say just post 'em all, this group can use the traffic. :) Chad, you
out there?

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: time lord role playing ga
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:23:47 EST

Just got TIme Lord yesterday in Toronto.
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From: alex.soto@analog.com (Alex Soto)
Subject: McCoys portrayal of the Doctor
Originator: soto@thor
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:28:33 GMT



Hi,
	With all the talk of McCoy and Ace, I'd like to jump in a bit since
it was only recently (a couple of months ago) that I was able to see some of
these.
	First of all, I haven't seen 4 of his episodes.  3 of them are at the
beginning of his season and one was kind of in the middle (Paradise Towers,
Time and the Rani, Delta and the Bannerman, Battlefield).
	I didn't like McCoy in Dragonfire, but fortunately I was warned by
Steve/UsedToBeIain not to judge him by that story.  In later ones he got 
better, but I wouldn't say great - mediocre maybe. (Keep in mind these are
my opinions)  :)  I think the best part of Dragonfire was when the McCoy told
both Mel and Ace to shut up (in his TARDIS).  Towards the end, he did seem to
get a little better.  I liked him best in Survival.  One of the things I like
of McCoy is his accent.  I always like when there's something that 
distinguishes a Doctors regeneration from one to another.  Perhaps that's why
Pertwee was my worst - what did he have?  Venusian Karate?  <yawn!>  Sorry
to all you IWouldDieForJonPertwee fans.
	Ace...like another was saying, she doesn't particularly impress me
like she has so many others.  I think she's okay, but far from my favorite
companion.  I like the stories to center on the Doctor and not around one of
his companions who has changed his name now.  She's a little annoying at times
and although I do not hate her (how can you compare her to Turlough or Adric -
yuck!!  She's not that bad!), she doesn't appeal to me that much either.  I
thought McCoy's doctor needed to be explored more, and yet every story focused 
more on Ace (after Mel) than on him.  That may be be my biggest prejudice 
against McCoys era.
	The stories...well, they did seem to rise a little towards the end,
but still seemed to lack a little something.  Perhaps another season might
have made it a little better.  Like someone mentioned, I didn't like the way
the Master seems so helpless now.  He hardly seems to be the threat that he
used to be.  Stories like the Keeper of Traken, were very well written
(IMHO) for the Master.  The Deadly Assasin was another.  Alot of McCoys
stories were slightly over an hour.  Perhaps adding more intrigue and plot
developments and moving slower thru the stories might have added to it.  
Survival could have been a classic, but IMHO it was rushed a bit.  Of course
there may have been reasons for many of these being rushed, but nevertheless
it makes me wonder how it could have turned out otherwise.
	To summarize, I feel McCoy is a mediocre Doctor, not even close to
Tom Baker like someone said, but still sufficient for me to enjoy.  I am not
too critical in terms of stories and enjoyed Happiness Patrol, TGSitGalaxy,
and others.  They are not classics, but are acceptable.  All in all, I'd take
McCoy to nobody anyday!!!!

		Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:00:49 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <u7o3TB7w165w@scilab.lonestar.org> david@scilab.lonestar.org (david burgess) writes:
>mrmuon@next01cville.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>
>> My theory:
>> The Doctor is not Rassilon, Omega, or anyone from ancient Gallifrey...

	I haven't seen the 5 Doctors for many, many years but I
seem to recall that Rassilon recognizes the Doctor (i.e. he says
'hello Doctor' or somesuch without having been introduced) implying
they had met sometime before...not to mention all the 'clues' given
in Season 25...but it doesn't necessarily mean the Doctor IS from
ancient Gallifrey. He does have a time machine, after all - something
people seem to forget for some reason - and could've nipped back to
say hello sometime. Okay, so it is breaking a few laws of time and so
forth but since when did that worry the Doctor?

	Any more questions?
				 Jonathan Morris
	













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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:41:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

doctor@polaris.unm.edu (Doc) writes:

>Also, Don't anyone forget that the Doctor and the Master had the same teacher
>at one point in their youth, but "The Master was always the Brighter one of 
>the two."  A quote from the the Dr. Who game - I think.

Take anything from the FASA role-playing game with a salt lick. (As op-
posed to anything from the FASA _Star Trek_ role-playing game, for which
you just have to keep a salt-shaker handy.) These are the people who
claimed that the Meddling Monk and the Master were one and the same!

However, there is a bit from "The Sea Devils" which supports your
It goes something like this (the underlined portion I'm almost com-
pletely sure is accurately quoted, the rest probably isn't):
     JO:     (referring to the Master) You feel sorry for him,
             don't you?
     DOCTOR: He and I go back a long way, Jo. In fact, you might
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
             almost say we were at school together.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)
(I was beginning to wonder if I was the only person at UNM
reading the newsgroups!)
From: otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who in Pittsburgh
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:28:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

I'll be visiting Pittsburgh over Thanksgiving and I was wondering what
Dr. Who availability is in the area.  (Is the newspaper strike still
going on there?)  I'd like to know what channels are showing it and what
they'll be showing, and when, if possible.  I'll be there proobably from
Wednesday through Sunday.  

Thanks,

Neil Ottenstein
otten@quark.umd.edu
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: why earth??
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:06:16 EST

NON-CANON ALERT!

Actually, the FASA explaination makes some sense, if you assume that
altering the past alters history (which is assumed in Doctor Who).  If
you alter the Earth's past, presumably you can alter the Doctor's past.
And if you can alter the Doctor's past, maybe he *didn't* prevent the
Vardan/Sontaran invasion of Gallifrey.

If this is true, it's amazing that anyone is ever allowed to leave
Gallifrey at all.
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From: hid009@cent1.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J I D Masterton)
Subject: Love and War/Paul Cornell
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 13:05:48 GMT
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To all readers of the above title.

Paul Cornell, the author of 'Love and War' lives here in Lancaster and
is a very good friend of mine. I have showed him some of the comments
people in the newsgroup have made and would like to offer his thanks to
all those of you who have taken the time out to read his book and felt
strongly enough to post your views on the net.

He is also very keen to receive any further feedback (he's that kind of
author I'm afraid) and so as a result if you have any comments or
questions you would like to put to him, please mail them to me and I
will be happy to pass them on.

I cannot guarantee a response to each and every one but I will try my
best...
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