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From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: Re: Car Insurance Companies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:53:58 GMT

[talk of a recent post of insurance rates]

aye!
I'm interested.
If you dont post,
at least please email me a copy.



Derek

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: Formula (was Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro...)
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:58:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.005809.16894@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 5951@zds-oem.zds.com, easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:

>>  Also, the 4 wheel disc's were standard on any Firebird with a TPI
>>engine (5.0L or 5.7L).  It looks like in '89 they started putting
>>bigger discs on the rear, along with dual exhaust past the cat's.
>>It was good for another 10 hp.
>
>On my build sheet rear discs are an option.
>
>Hmmm. I have seen some TPI examples with (ugh) rear drums, but this is 
>Canada. What year is your Pontiac catalog for? I thought the dual cats
>were standard on the GTA and optional on TPI FORMULAS & T/A's

  I was looking at the '89 catalog at the time.  My collection is missing
the '88 catalog, must have forgotten to go to the Pontiac dealership 
that year :-).

>>  Was positraction standard on TPI equipped Firebirds as well?
>
>On my build sheet it's an option.

  Wishful thinking on my part.

>Torque Monger

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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: What Snow Tires Are Best ?
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:39:33 GMT


In article <1d9eedINNgsd@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, damong@rajeesh.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile) writes:
|> Okay, So it is once again winter in New England and I have decided on getting
|> 2 snow tires this year.

No point, get 4 or none. With two tyres (and RWD) it's either 
traction/no steering or steering/no traction. 

|> I have a 74 Fiat X1/9 (rear engine/rear drive, 1800 
|> pounds) and a bunch of spare rims so I wont have to keep remounting and 
|> rebalancing. Factory spec tires were 145/70. I currently have 195/70's on
|> and would like to know for driving in snow, 

Get 145/70, they'd be fine, 195's are a bit too wide for such a light car
and would magnify the negative characteristics of the mid-engine layout
(the equal weight distribution, the tendency for the tyre to float
on the snow (low pressure for the area of contact etc.) - and the uncertainty
about which end will break first).

|> (Should I lean toward /80 or /50 ? 

Can't see as it makes much difference in snow, careful about drive ratios etc.
You can normaly buy M&S tyres in 60%+ profiles

|> Damon

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Turning: rear-wheel drive vs. front-wheel drive cars
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, cwhsu@syl.dl.nec.com (James Hsu 214)518-3584) says:

>I am posting this for a friend.  Please respond directly to him.  Thank
>you.
dunno who your friend is..but..

>
>=========================================================================
>In rear-wheel drive cars, if a corner is entered too fast, I am
>told that the smart thing to do is to maintain the throttle and
>use it to steer the car around a corner.  I may be completely
>out to lunch on this, but I figure it is because if one brakes,
>and the  rear of the car is at the traction limit, the sudden
>transfer of weight forward will cause the rear end to break loose.
>By keeping the throttle down, the transfer of weight does not occur
>and if the rear end does break loose, there is still a velocity 
>vector which keeps the car pointed to the center of the turn. I think
>this is called throttle steering. 
>
>Now if the car is a front wheel drive car, how does this work or 
>can you even attempt this.  In a rear drive car, atleast the turning 
>wheels and the driving wheels are separate.  In a front drive car
>all forces act on the front.  Seems to me that at the conering at the
>limit could cause problems.
>
>Any one out there care to shed some light on this situation ?
point and shoot technique??..i'm not much of a race driver, i admit,
but i do know that if EITHER end of the car breaks loose in a FWD, it is
not that hard to correct(on a dry pavement situation, or even wet...not
on snow or ice..i know nothing about that :-(   ).  if the front breaks 
loose..wait till you are going about where you want to be, and let off
of the gas to let it catch, or let it catch, then back into it..if the
rear breaks loose..let it skid, just keep the nose where you want to go,
and keep the pedal down, just like in a RWD(?)..the odd thing is.once
the nose is going where you want and you straighten the wheel with the
throttle depressed, the car will exhibit quite nice behaviour, as the
wheels going where you want to be are the drive wheels, and will whip 
the rear back into shape in not time!...most of the time..you just have
to remember not to give too much throttle, as front break away is harder
to correct for and keep going at speed..you have to allow the wheels to
catch again before you have much control..as a spinning/skidding tire
cannot exert any forces to move you in any direction....any help??
(please, no flame..like i said..i'm an EXTREME amateure..but any questions/
comments are welcomed..)
DREW
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From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:25:08 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1992Nov10.233727.11527@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au  
(Steven Malikoff) writes:
> A question for those who drive automatics: Have you *ever* seen a racing
> car (F1, Indy, Stock, Rally, etc.) that has an auto transmission?

Let's see, Jim Hall Can-Am car, Top Fuel dragster drivers don't shift, some F1  
drivers have semi-automatics that you don't have to use the clutch except for  
starting from a complete stop.  The F1 engineers are working towards a full  
automatic, but they just aren't there yet.

--
  John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
              Life without risk is Disneyland
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: 89 Ford Taurus chronic stalling problem
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:49:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.153524.29798@ryn.mro4.dec.com> balsamo@wmodev.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails)) writes:
>
>   Basil,
>
>   >I have an 89 3.0 V6 Ford Taurus, and I am wondering if other owners out
>   >there have had a similar experience.
>   >"Acting up", is when I go on long trips, especially in the mountains (I
>   >live at 5000 ft above sea level), and when the temperature is high (not
>   >the engine temp, the ambiant temp), then my car for some reason starts to
>   >gradually lose power, and then stalls completely and I have to wait by the
>   >side of the road for a half-hour or more for the car temp to cool down
>   >before it would start again.
>
[ stuff deleted ]

what grade of gas do you use? I know this sounds silly, but the higher the
octane, lower the power, etc - we found this out when going into the mountains
the higher we climbed the more we lost power - put a lower octane gas in
and voila - we had the power...

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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:15:13 GMT

In article <BxLFo9.7B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>In article <BxLDEI.6J7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>Audis are damn nice cars, but I honestly believe they are still being hurt by
>>that absurd Consumer Reports scandal a few years back.  Remember that:
>             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>"Audi 5000's have the tendency to accelerate unexpectedly if their pinhead
>>owners depress the wrong pedal while engaging Drive or Reverse"
>>
>>Also, Audi is not as much of a "status" name as BMW or Mercedes, and for many,
>>many people, a Subaru may just be enough; that seems to be THE dominant car
>>in places like Colorado and Montana.
>>-- 
>	_Consumer_Reports_ has a tendancy to favor one brand of cars over 
>another, and their pinhead readers have a tendancy to take them seriously.
>Why do they like Honda's so much, IMHO (I own one, and  have tested a few)
>All their models (save the old CRX Si) are grossly underpowered and grossly
>overpriced.  But my Civic DOES handle like a gem.
>-- 
Name one example, where they are blatantly biased? 

For example they loved the new Bonneville and the new BWM 325i. They
even put the BWM 5 series on the same rank as Lexus. 

Have you ever looked at their rating of the Accord?  They've critiziced
the car plenty. Also, what other cars in it's class has this "power" you
speak of? Even the Taurus V6 puts out only 140hp. And, how are their
Civics underpowered when compared to other cars in their class?

I am not saying they are perfect, but they've been ratings cars longer
than most of us have been alive all independant of any advertising.
There's a lot of people who are more prejudiced about CU than CU
is prejudiced.

For example, recently one person said CU is prejudiced because they
rate the Plymouth Laser has a lower reliability than Mitubishi
Eclipse. Which turned out to be totally wrong, they have the same
rating.

john
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: ++Pontiac Idle at ~4-5,000 RPM-Help?!++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.132014.28218@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgarber@magnus.acs
.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
>I have a 1983 Pontiac 2000 SE that started running very rough and idling at
>about 4,500 RMP (Normally at 10-11,000 RMP).  I recently had to be towed to 

       ^^^^^^^I mean 450 RPM^^^1000-1100RMP
My bad, too many 0s!
-- 
THE HYPEMAN.
1983 Pontiac 2000 SE   1983 Honda Nighthawk 650   DECEMBER 12,1992
   "BABY BOOOM"             MINT CONDITION         "TIE THE KNOT"
 'SYSTEM FOR SALE'            "FOR SALE"
From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:32:44 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

>
>That reminds me of an amusing idea a friend of mine had (which is
>impractical because of the size of reflector needed to affect
>microwaves): Build two of those little anamometers (sp? the thing you
>measure wind speed with) with metal corner reflectors on them, and
>mount them on your car, one in front and one in back, such that the
>corner reflectors spin away from the front and back (respectively). In
>principle, the corner reflectors would return a huge signal relative
>to the car, but moving slower. This is hard to see without a hand
>drawn picture (I tried ASCII graphics, to no avail), but it's amusing.
>


A bike mag in the UK had the same idea a few years ago.
There idea was to insert these radar reflectors (usely seen hanging around
the top of sailboat masts) in the wheel rims.





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Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
From: gpn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GARY PHILIP NEWHART)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: FOR SALE 1977 CAPRI
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:02:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

1977 MERCURY CAPRI  2.8 V6
19,000 ORIGINAL MILES
REALLY GOOD CONDITION
INTERESTED.....PHOTOS AVAILABLE
9h0 215-882-9798  eastern pennsylvania
ask for gary
Xref: sparky rec.autos:25913 rec.autos.tech:15038
From: oskar@isbank.is (Oskar Armannsson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Volvo brake disc
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:46:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Islandsbanki, Reykjavik Iceland

Can someone tell me where one can buy brake discs for Volvo in south Sweden. 
Especially I would like to know about spare parts shop for Volvo in Lund.

Do someone know how much front brake disc (air cooled) for Volvo 240 1985 
costs in Sveden.

Regards

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Leather Seats
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:55:15 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <lg5ebgINN1e8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>Leather seats seem to be increasingly popular nowadays.  Maybe
>it's because more people are wearing Nikes and Reeboks these days,
>shoes that often contain no leather.  So the cattle industry has
>been forced to find a market for cowhide.
   
   On domestic cars maybe.  On imports, particularly British sports
   cars, leather has been standard for over 30 years.

   Likely the domestics and Japanese are trying to capture the
   sinful interior feel of a classic Jag.

>
>Anyway, what's the verdict on leather?  I've found cloth to be
>much more durable and comfortable than vinyl (or leatherette, as
>pseudo-luxury carmakers call it).  Leather furniture I've sat on
>in the past has always made me sweaty.  Are carseats different?

   Nope.  And black leather will burn the crap out of your keister
   in places like Ariz.  Much worse than vinyl...cloth is the way to
   go there.

>Can leather be expected to outlast cloth?  

   Only with LOTS of care...at least on all the cars I've operated
   for over 100+ K miles.

>How much maintenance does leather require?  
   
   Usually lots.  And lots and lots.  

>I remember reading a thread a few months
>ago concerning leather treatment.  And I never even wash my car!
>
   It does smell great though.  

>Thanks,
>Bill
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From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:57:40 GMT

klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui) writes:
> > crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
> >   Any company that has publicly traded stock can have stock holders 
> > (i.e., owners) outside the U.S. ...  Honda brings jobs to the U.S.  
> > IMHO Honda is already more 'American' than some companies that claim 
> > to be 'American'.

> Does anyone know how much Honda stock are in circulation?  If
> what others say about Japanese companies is true, then there
> will be a specific percentage of stock that are owned by Honda
> and never publically traded.  The result of this practice is
> Honda Motor Corporation does not have to listen to its stock
> holders or fear a hostile takeover, making being publically
> traded a formality.  

Honda always has to listen to its' shareholders.  However, if the 
company is closely held ( if the majority - or a large percentage
of the stock is in the hands of the Board of Directors and/or upper
management) the effect is the same.  The percentage of stock that is
held by large shareholders is supposed to be publicly disclosed (at
least it's supposed to be disclosed to the public when a group or
individual increases their holdings to 5% or more).

You might be thinking of treasury shares that Honda buys to increase
the value of the remaining shares out there in the market.  If Honda
or GM buys shares on the open market, then a negative dilution takes
place.  However, if Joe Blow (*)used to own 10% of the stock and Honda
bought 10% of the outstanding shares, then Joe would now own 1/9 of
the remaining stock out in the market.  

(*) Actually, it could be Takeshi or Akio Blow in Japan. ...

> Of course, there is a benefit for stock holders--if Honda 
> makes more money, so do the share holders.

So, if Honda goes out and buys treasury shares, the average stockholder
owns more of the company, but since the company laid out some bucks for
the purchase, the average stockholder owns more of a smaller company - a
wash.

The last I heard, the Ford family still owned about 20% of Ford.  They
have a special kind of stock that is not publicly traded.  That kind of
thing starts to get complicated:  

Another interesting special stock is the EDS stock that is a part of GM,
yet you can purchase it separately on the market.  EDS is the data 
processing firm that the presidential candidate Ross Perot founded then
sold to GM for a place on the board and some GM stock.

Yesterdays close for GM E was 28 1/2 vs 30 7/8 for the common.  There
are also three kinds of GM preferred stock, a type H stock and a type
E preferred.  

Honda closed at 19 3/4.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Annoying film on windshield
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:29:49 GMT

In article <BxMCHM.Cx7@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>This film is from the vinyl in the car *gassing* (sp?). Basically the vinyl
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> No it's not. It's simply pollutants in the air being deposited on the glass.
> It's much worse in larger metropolitan areas than in rural areas or if a 
> lot of cigarettes have been smoked in the car. 
>

Yes it is.  (Oooo, sounds like grade school again :-))  There are many
plasticizers used during the manufacture of vinyl and most plastic products.
These are very low viscosity materials used to enhance the properties of
plastics.  They do not combine completely (at all?) with the plastic resins and
therefore maintain a certain volatility.  They do outgas and this is
particularly noticeable in new cars on warm days.
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Adelaide: Senna-Mansell crash
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:18:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) says:

>Now, why Patresse was consistently so slow in the race as well as in
>the qualifying can be due to one or all of four reasons:
>
>1. lack of skill
>2. inferior or broken (during race) equipment
>3. lack of motivation
>4. knowing it's a long hard race, he wants to save chassis and rubber
>
>Me, being a Patresse and Williams fan, must vote for "4".

Well I'm not a Patrese fan but I'd have to go with 2.  Williams with Renault's
permission, have been screwing Patrese around all season.  I see
they just could not let the last opportunity of year to humiliate him
pass by when he stopped on the course.  I knew what the deal was when he
pulled over, and deep down inside I think most of you really would
agree with me.
>-- 
>Michael MY Hui  ~{PmCw6w~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
>

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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: F1 final points positions
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:43:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1dma1mINNi4k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz) writes:
>
>Can anyone post the final positions for this season now that is
>over with? I mean points positions...Thanks! :-)

                1st  2nd  3rd  4th  5th  6th   Total
 Mansell         9    3    0    0    0    0     108
 Patrese         1    6    2    0    1    0      56
 Schumacher      1    3    4    3    0    0      53
 Senna           3    1    3    0    1    0      50
 Berger          2    2    1    3    2    0      49
 Brundle         0    1    4    4    2    0      38
 Alesi           0    0    2    2    2    0      18
 Hakkinen        0    0    0    2    1    3      11
 DeCesaris       0    0    0    1    2    1       8
 Alboreto        0    0    0    0    2    2       6
 Comas           0    0    0    0    1    2       4
 Wendlinger      0    0    0    1    0    0       3
 Capelli         0    0    0    0    1    1       3
 Boutsen         0    0    0    0    1    0       2
 Herbert         0    0    0    0    0    2       2
 Martini         0    0    0    0    0    2       2
 Gachot          0    0    0    0    0    1       1
 Fittipaldi      0    0    0    0    0    1       1
 Modena          0    0    0    0    0    1       1

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