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From: s0k5099@zeus.tamu.edu (KHAN, SHAHRIAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Futility of religious palavers(Assaulting the net with adjectives)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:20 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Religion, futility
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ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>Obviously, there *is* much interest in this topic,
>otherwise people wouldn't be posting.  History has shown that time and
>again, the religious discussions invite the widest participation and
>continuous flow of articles.  

Zunaid writes:
>What typifies religious discussions or even 
>discussions on moral philosophy is the fact that these discussions
>are usually a heated exchange of unyielding opinions between two
>persons. ....These discussions are futile since, even if one 
>participant is rational, no one else has any willingness to listen 
>and try to understand different viewpoints... 

	True. One's religious beliefs are formed over a lifetime. They are 
influenced by ones upbringing and the religious opinions of those one comes in
contact with. Since they have withstood the test of time, it is unlikely they 
will be changed during the murky reasoning of individuals exchanging heated 
religious opinions on the net. These discussions may engage much 
bandwidth and space on the net, but it is doubtful that they enjoy wide 
readership. Perhaps the results of the SCB Survey will shed some light on this 
issue. Talking about the survey, when will Anis bhai, Zunaid, and mkaziz let us
know how the survey turned out? 

Zunaid also writes: 
>Kill File natives do infest netland, and I suppose we have to live
>with these infernal creatures who are usually either motivated b
>a sadistic pleasure in starting a futile net-war, or even worse, by 
>a bigotry with an aim to put down other people's beliefs. Some of these 
>......

	Something else dominating the net now is Zunaid's exploitative 
adventuring into the limits of the realm of the English language; going where
few have gone before; where simplicity takes a back seat to the dictates of 
Roget as in his Thesaurus; where insults, innuendoes, insinuations, and 
calumnies are hidden by the veil of murkiness and Malapropisms - sufficient 
to put to shame any neo-abstract artist of the English language. Let us join 
hands with Anis bhai in asking, nay, imploring, beseeching Zunaid to refrain 
from mercilessly assaulting the net with concoctions from his witches brew
of exotic, alien, adrenal, aggravated, and ominous adjectives and synonyms. 

Shahriar Khan
Texas A&M University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: Re:U.S. military aid to Bangladesh
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:45:48 GMT

Recently, in course of discussion of the U.S. military assistance
to Bangladesh, some have tried to find American motive behind
it while they had to pull out from Philipines recently.
The Subic Bay naval base used to pour one million dollars every
day to the economy of that impoverished region of Philipines.
I like to see Bangladesh getting a deal like that. What else in
short term can get BD such a source of hard currency that is so
dearly needed there?

If dealt on properly, such an arrangement can be made to deliver
good to the people of Bangladesh.

It is time that everyone concerned gives up fiery rhetoric about
an all-evil uncle Sam (that is so common in the third world) and
give some reasonable thought to it.

Mukherjee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hasank@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: test
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:43:05 GMT

this is test
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:01:53 GMT

I think people are thaking the word "ISLAM" as a patent word.
It cannot be compared with CITIZENSHIP. CITIZENSHIP is decided
by the authority of the country. Similarly who is a follower
of ISLAM is deciided by the authority. That authority is ALLAH,
not us. You people think that just because most of you agree that
you  are follower of ISLAM, you may not be.

In fact many of us whom you think are not follower of ISLAM can be
even better followers. We may not be MUSLIMS but we may follow 
QURAN better then you. Don't be so sure that we are not follower of
ISLAM. Allah may punish you for that. You are creting a false division.

I hope ALLAH give you enough inteligence to see that just because
most of you agree, still you may be wrong.

with regards
SUPRATIC GUPTA
SELF PROCLAIMED FOLLOWER OF ISLAM


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan)
Subject: Re: waste dumping in Bangladesh
	<SAHMED.92Nov17192236@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:18:02 GMT
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In article <SAHMED.92Nov17192236@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:

>  It is not entirely the fault of the U.S. government. The BD government
>  knew full well that this fertilizer was hazardous. The U.S. govt
>  informed them before the shipment ever got there that the material was
>  hazardous and should not be accepted. Some person must have made some
>  money out of this by allowint the fertilizer to come through.

I agree with you 100% there. But I was not trying to lay blame. The
point is, since the Bangladesh government has shown that it cannot
protect us from waste which has already entered the country, our best
recourse is to push for US legislation which would stop the waste
trade at its source.

>>  We recommend that the Government of the United States: 
>>  * Immediately reimport the hazardous waste illegally exported to
>>  Bangladesh.
>>  * Enact legislation to prohibit all future international waste
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>  exports, especially to Third World countries.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sorry I didn't make myself clearer before.
--
Zahin Hasan
zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 774 2466
OCMR box 1551
Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074
				

	When a stupid man is doing something he's ashamed of, he always 
declares that it is his duty.

                                  George Bernard Shaw 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Bangladesh: womens rights
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:30:14 GMT
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                          Xinhua General News Service


HEADLINE: bangladesh examines laws for just rights of women

 BODY:
   the government of bangladesh is examining laws with a view to
establishing the just rights of the women within the purview of the
country's constitution.  law and justice minister m.g. hafiz made the
revelation at a seminar on the women rights, law reforms and uniform
family code here today.  he said a special cell has been formed at his
ministry to examine the legal aspects for ensuring equal participation
of women in all socio-economic activities.  "we have laws about
marriage, divorce, maintenance and alimony of women, children's
succession and guardianship," but as the people belong to different
religions, there is no uniformity of law that covers all the citizens,
he said.  giving an example, the minister said that according to the
muslim law, a muslim marriage is a contractual terminable relationship
between man and woman, while the hindu law says a marriage between man
and woman is a religious sacrament that remains intact for the whole
life.  in the muslim law both man and woman enjoy the equal rights of
divorce or separation but the hindu law does not permit it, the
minister said. he added that it is a very complex matter to frame a
uniform family code about the rights of women of different religions.
the minister said that if the leaders and citizens of different
religions come forward and raise demand and the consciousness of women
is organized, it will be possible in the near future to frame laws for
women to establish their rights as envisaged in the constitution.  at
the two-day seminar beginning here today and organized by the
bangladesh mahila parishad (women's association), a proposed draft
uniform family code has been presented and discussed by women
activists.

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| | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
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From: hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: THE REAL REASON (Re: US military assistance to Bangladesh)
Keywords: US ditches Pak...... US befriends Bangladesh....... Why???????
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:26:56 GMT
Reply-To: hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

Dear Netters,

I am sorry for all the provocations my article caused. I guess my article 
wasn't clear enough. But let me summerise my points.
1. Bangladesh is poor.
2. We have to develop ECONOMICALLY.
3. We have border problems.
4. We love our country.

I know that we have the right to free speech. My position on defense is that
we have to     
1. Take the US military aid.
2. Cut of our own expenses on defense to develop.
3. Create super relations with the US so that we can get the US to build up our
   defense just like the US does to Israel.(for more information about this, ask   me directly to avoid it going to wrong people)
4. Try and divert US foreign aid which includes aid to Israel of over 20billion
   to Bangladesh. (again ask me in Bengali).
  
In short "Amrica ke die shob kisu korano, jaivabe Israel americake
die shob kisu korai."

Thank you for all of your replies. I am sorry and apologise to anyone I have
offended. Bangladesh Zindabad.

Sincerely,

Ashraf.
From: hossain@ee.rochester.edu (Razak Hossain)
Subject: A Nation of Beggars
Followup-To: <69799@cup.portal.com> 
Keywords: A Nation of Beggars, Aid 
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:05:38 GMT

Hassan Monu Alam writes:

> I firmly believe most aid corrupts. We can do it without much aid,
> and we will be the better of it by not being a nation of beggars.

I do not see how we can get rid of the food aid. Most of it goes
to make up our defecit in food production. If we were to cut this
supply the danger of starvation or famine exists.

Other aid such as that which we use to buy subsidised petroleum
can not be cutoff without seriously hampering our ability to
produce electricity. Without it a country can not run.

What aid in particular do you wish us to cut and what benefits
do you forsee from this action ? This is not a rhetorical question.
My knowledge in these matters is limited but my interest is not.

As to the fact of us becoming a nation of beggars, I recall an
event that occurred several years ago. I was waiting for a friend
on a road in Dhaka. A young street boy, or "tokai" as we say, was 
playing near me. He looked at me once, then again, thought for
a minute or so and then came to me with his arm outstreched and
asked for "khoira." It was a rather curious situation. The young
boy did not seem to be a beggar, but rather, had decided to try
being one for a few minutes in the hope of getting something. 

At the time the experience was rather funny, but as I have thought
about it, it illuminated how poverty destroys the basic feeling of
human self worth. A nation of beggars can be seen in two ways. 
Firstly, as the perception of a country, and secondly, as
the collection of a group of very poor people. If we were to cut
aid drastically, it would perhaps help us in our own image of our
ourselves, but would it change the objective conditions that made
that young boy become a part-time beggar. I fear it would not.

As long as a large number of the people in our country remain
individually as beggars, so long we will be destined to remain
a nation of beggars. I hope I am wrong. 

Best Wishes,
-Raza



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan)
Subject: Re: soc.religion.islam.ahmadia
	<1e6kkaINNj9q@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:26:11 GMT
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In article <1e6kkaINNj9q@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>  At any rate, if you feel (like you have said), that you can overrule
>  the Qur'an in defining what constitutes a Muslim, then this is a
>  pointless argument and we're only wasting bandwidth.  

That is exactly what I do believe - I will always trust my own
judgement over any specific verse of the Quran. Specific verses of the
book may not be applicable to the 20th century world; however, the
underlying message of charity and spirituality are universally
applicable. 

>  I think Supratic Gupta has a similar ideology -- perhaps you could
>  him interested in soc.religion.islam.Zahin?

This is pointless posturing. If are really interested in talking about
our disagreements about islam you can write me email. But I'm not
interested in helping you play the scb crowds.
--
Zahin Hasan
zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 774 2466
OCMR box 1551
Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074
				

	When a stupid man is doing something he's ashamed of, he always 
declares that it is his duty.

                                  George Bernard Shaw 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:42:18 GMT

In article <Bxz8EB.DLs@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>In article <3235@ucl-cs.uucp>, B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:


>> Is n't Mohammed proved wrong here?  "- No new faith will be
>> born .". Huun... May be Mr Mohammed had no idea about Sikhism, Bahaism 
>> and Kabir Panthis - all started after Mohammed's above declaration. 
>> 
>> bkumar


>Bahaism, and
>Kabir Panthi`s are not considered religions of god according to muslims. 


>  By the way, I would suggest that you refrain from making facetious 
>statenents such as your last one. They are extremely offensive and in poor 
>taste.                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^

If bkumar says that other faiths were born after Muhammad's declaration
of no other faiths then you consider it an offense and in poor taste.

Have you ever thought about the offensiveness of YOUR statement which 
insults and strikes down the faiths of Sikhs, bahais, and Kabirpanthis
as being un-Godly?

If you think about it for a moment, you will realize your hypocrisy!

To each his/her faith is Godly and please stop passing judgements on
other`s faiths.

>regards
>Rafat SAdiq
>

---raj
From: hossain@ee.rochester.edu (Razak Hossain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Pride
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:15:57 GMT
Followup-To: <1ebbv2INNlv1@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

Mehdi Mahmud writes:
_______________________________________________________________________

One has to build up an army to *prevent* losing one's
property and pride, not to *recapture* what was lost.
______________________________________________________________________

Considering that the going rate for buying a Bangladeshi woman is
equal to three cows - it would seem that we might try and improve
our national pride by increasing the standard of living of the
people of our country - before we concentrate on new toys for the
army.

As for national defence, if we were ever seriously to be involved
in a fight our only recourse would be to wage a guerilla war. That
seems the only option we can afford. Big armies and fancy weapons 
are the luxuries of the rich, while we unfortunately are, the poorest
of the poor.

Best Wishes,

-Raza  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu (JACK)
Subject: Cyclone menacing Bangladesh
Keywords:  Tropical Cyclone, Potential Catastrophe
Reply-To: jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department
Distribution:  world
Date: 19 NOV 92 00:01:59    

   A powerful tropical cyclone is heading for Bangladesh. According to infor-
mation from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center on Guam, the cyclone was about
300 miles south of the Bangladesh coast at 7 PM EDT 18 November (00 UTC 19 
November) this evening. The cyclone is currently moving north, and the JTWC 
forecast the storm to move into Bangladesh between 24 and 48 hours from 7 PM 
this evening. Maximum sustained winds are near 105 mph, and winds could in-
crease to in excess of 115 mph by the time the storm make landfall if the cur-
rent forecast is correct.

Jack Beven
FSU Meteorology Dept.
jack@cloud3.met.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:58:42 GMT

In article <3235@ucl-cs.uucp> B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
>
>Is n't Mohammed proved wrong here?  "- No new faith will be
>born .". Huun... May be Mr Mohammed had no idea about Sikhism, Bahaism 
>and Kabir Panthis - all started after Mohammed's above declaration. I am 
>quite sure that there would be many other minor faiths, all started after 
>his above (pompous) declaration. Seems like Mr GOD was playing a joke 
>on Mr Mohammed or someone is misquoting GOD/Mohammed.
>
>bkumar

It is not a contradiction. Muslims believe Islam as the only true
faith . So I would interpret that Muhammad (PBUH) meant that "No
new *true* faith will be born". From the point of view of a believing
Muslim that isn't contradictory at all.

Shubhechhantey,

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.

P.S.   Anyway, why are we discussing this on soc.culture.bangladesh ?
       Is this an appropriate forum for religious discussions ?



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Crime, Economy and more News
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:40:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.220119.19945@umr.edu> raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur 
Raza) writes:
>
>
>2] The life in the metropolitan has improved a lot in terms of crime and 
>	anarchism and it is a much much safer place today.
>
	What is the source of this information?  Somehow I had the impression
that the situation deteriorated over the past couple of months.


>3] There is a silver lining growing behind the clouds in terms of the 
>	economic condition of the country. Specially the fact about the
>	per capita income which has now been able to cross beyond 200
>	dollars to around 220. This is a break because as far as I remember
>	it has never been more than 200. Though not much in terms of dollars
>	or real value, but it will definitely have some effect on the morale 
>	of the teeming millions.  

That's intersting.  But again I am interested in the source.  Are we
talking about nominal dollars ? (i.e.: Are these figures adjusted for
inflation?)  How about the distribution of income?  Is the gap widening
or narrowing down? 
>
>Md Ishfaqur Raza
>.
 
More News:

(1)
Dr. Kamal Hossain finally joined the Montu Group of Awami League.  Mustafa
Mohosin Montu was expelled from AL before.  

(2)
Abahani has become the champion in Damal Summer Cricket.  They defeated
Brothers Union by 39 runs in final.  Earler in the semi-final, Abahani
defeated Mohammedan by 4 wks (Go Abahani!!!). 

(3)
Deputy Attorney General Hassan Arif submitted his resignation letter to
the Attorney General (Nov 11) after some disagreement with the ministry
of law.

(4)
Recently in a public meeting, Shekh Hasina charged Khaleda Zia for personal
corruption (for the first time).  Hasina demanded that she had enough
documents to back-up her allegation that Khaleda accepted bribes while
signing up an agreement to buy aircrafts from an Italian firm during her
recent visit to Italy. 

(5)
Three more Bengali weeklies are expected to start soon from New York. This
will increase the number of bengali weeklies in US to 7 (?). (Isn't that
too much for a community of 100,000 ?) Among these three new publications,
the first issue of "Weekly Shomachar" will come-out on Nov 26th.

(6)
Biman is finally starting it's operation in NY-Dhaka route from March 1st 
'93.  This was announced by the Managing Director of Biman recently in
New York City.



-- 
     KHALED AZIZ            |    " Thought of going back, but all I'd see 
mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu |      are strangers' faces, and all the scars
mkaziz@argo.acs.oakland.edu |      that love erases "    - NEIL DIAMOND
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: For Making SCB a Battleground......
From: shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Sharful Islam)
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:55:56 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University







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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan)
Subject: soc.religion.islam.ahmadia
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:46:56 GMT
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In article <1e4dogINNhct@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>If Ahmadiyas are indeed Muslims, why do they need a new newsgroup?
>Surely, soc.religion.islam is sufficient since it addresses *all*
>Muslim issues?

Obviously they feel intimidated by people like yourself always trying
to convince them that they should not be calling themselves Muslims.
If they had a separate group, "orthodox" muslims would probably be
less likely to read it. Ahmadias posting on such a board would
probably not have to endure as much of this "you ahmadias should not
be calling yourselves muslims" crap as they would if they posted on
sri.
--
Zahin Hasan
zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 774 2466
OCMR box 1551
Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074
				

	When a stupid man is doing something he's ashamed of, he always 
declares that it is his duty.

                                  George Bernard Shaw 

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