From: barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Subject: CLINTON/GORE: CBS This Morning Text
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Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:51:53 GMT

               Clinton, Gore Interviewed on CBS

    Here is a transcript of Wednesday's edition of CBS This
 Morning. The guests: Democratic presidential candidate Bill
 Clinton and VP candidate Sen Al Gore (D-Tenn).
    HARRY SMITH: A month ago, people will still talking about
 maybe Bill Clinton isn't the guy, maybe we should find
 somebody else on the ticket, and now you are riding an
 unbelievable crest of popularity. How do you account for it?
    GOVERNOR BILL CLINTON: The American people in June were
 willing to listen, and I went on all the interview shows and 
 the morning shows and the talk shows. I think Senator Gore's
 appointment had a lot to do with it. I think when he agreed
 to come on this ticket people could see that I was dead
 serious about changing America, about taking a fundamentally
 different course to rebuilding our economy and education our
 people, dealing with the health care crisis. I think the
 convention helped a lot. They saw the roots from which I
 came and the life that I've lived, and work I'd done as
 governor. And frankly I think this bus tour we're taking
 across America has helped, because the American people can 
 see that we're reaching out to them, where they live, the
 heartland. We want to be in places like southern Illinois
 and southern Indiana and the Ohio heartland and West
 Virginia and Pennsylvania, places where people have worked
 hard and have gotten the shaft. We're trying to give them
 their government back and I think they see that we're
 serious.
    Q: There is so much anger at government, there's so
 much--there's a volatility though for the American public,
 because a month ago, they loved Ross Perot. Now they love 
 you guys. Who's to say that another month from now this
 whole thing doesn't just reverse itself. How do you--
    CLINTON: We got to stay on our course. We know
 that there'll be a strong attack leveled against our
 campaign and we're ready for it. We're going to run a
 positive campaign. We're going to keep reaching out to the
 American people. We're going to keep giving them a program
 and a vision that will make their government work for them
 again.
    I think that what we have to show now is constancy. We 
 have to show that we know there is an aching out there in
 this country for their government to work for all people
 again, and to put people first again, and we're going to
 give it to them. I think we got to go through this next 110
 days or so and really be faithful to what we believe is
 right for the American people.
    Q: Let's talk about that a little bit, because George
 Bush already brought it up yesterday. He said--he was
 quoting George McGovern. He said these guys are a trojan
 horse, that in fact you guys are a lot more liberal than 
 you've made yourselves out to be, and that this is sort of a
 facade, that this isn't the real thing, that these are good
 old liberal Democrats that we know so well from all these
 years.
    GORE: You know, I think that that's a perfect
 illustration of why the American people are sick and tired
 of politics, and they want substance instead.
    When the other side constantly stays on the attack, just
 pointing the finger of blame, and making excuses and saying
 why they can't do things, and then saying bad things about 
 their opponents, that's simply because they don't have any
 plan, they don't have any proposals.
    The simple truth is they've run out of ideas, they've run
 out of energy. It's time for a new generation of leadership
 that cares about the generation of which our children are a
 part.
    This country's in trouble, Harry. And what you're seeing
 in these crowds out there that have been so much larger than
 anybody expected, most of all our advance people--we've been
 really surprised by this, no kidding, Republicans, 
 independents, Perot supporters, and of course Democrats, all
 joining. What you're seeing is, people are allowing
 themselves to feel hope, that this country doesn't have to
 stay in this rut we've been in. We don't have to have a
 government that only works for the wealthy and powerful. We
 can change, move forward again and have a government that
 works for the average citizen again.
    Q: You can feel this build up of expectation though. What
 can you literally do? If you all walk in there in January,
 say you are elected, you walk in there in January, what can 
 you do day one that's going to really make a difference?
    CLINTON: We'll send the Congress, first of all,
 a plan, a hundred-day plan to revitalize the economy by
 reinvesting in America again, giving business new incentive
 to invest in our country, but no more tax breaks to move our
 jobs overseas, to control health care costs and provide a
 basic package of health care to all Americans, to open the
 doors of college education to al Americans and to give
 2-year apprenticeship programs to those who don't want to go
 to college. 
    In short, to do those things that will enable us to
 compete and win again. Developing the capacities of the
 American people.
    Will it happen overnight, of course it won't. We
 haven't--
    Q: That's the question. Because the anticipation is that
 here are these guys, there's a new deal, here we come,
 here's the new covenant, and people are going to look at
 their watch 30 days into the administration and say-- 
    CLINTON: The first night when I spoke to the
 people of this country, I said I don't have all the answers.
 But we know the old ways don't work. We didn't get into this
 mess overnight, we're not going to get out of it overnight,
 but we will begin to make progress immediately. We'll at
 least be going in the right direction.
    We've been going down hill for more than a decade,
 working harder for less money, losing our position.
    To change it will require real discipline and the 
 willingness to take the next few years to do it.
    Q: Does the--your old friends in the Congress, do they
 have that kind of discipline? Because they're sitting there
 saying I've got to please all my folks back home, all those
 jobs that I deliver, every year, I've got to please all
 those voters back home.
    If you're talking about tough medicine and sacrifice,
 which is--I don't know, maybe that's the word you want to
 use, if you use it, it's like a death sentence.
    GORE: I think everybody is going to get a 
 powerful message this year. And I think the change we
 represent, when it comes, with the help of the American
 people, is going to give Bill Clinton and me a mandate to go
 to Capitol Hill, break the log jam, and in the first 100
 days create real change.
    Q: You know, it all sounds so good. And clearly people
 are buying the message. But we have looked at a Congress
 that I think people in America have felt is moribund and
 almost helpless, and a government that's so big--
    CLINTON: Let me respond to that. Because I 
 haven't been in the Congress, and I've been as hard on them
 as anybody has. I think we've got to have some real reforms.
 We've got to change the way we elect our members of
 Congress. But let's look at the facts.
    Number one, we're running on the most detailed plan to
 rebuild America that anybody has ever run on, at least in my
 lifetime. And I really laid out a plan. So I can claim if
 elected that I've got a mandate for that.
    Number 2, you're going to have 100 new members of
 Congress because of the changes and the outrage of the 
 American people, because they want government to work.
    Number 3, those that survive are going to be those that
 convince their own constituents that they will be
 instruments of change. So we are going to have a mandate to
 turn this country around. That's why it's going to work.
    Q: These are the guys though that didn't want you to run
 6 or 7 or 8 weeks ago.
    CLINTON: But they're out there now getting the
 temperature of the American people. And the American people
 are telling them, you want to survive, go up there and turn 
 this thing around.
    GORE: Bill and I have tried to change the
 Democratic party from within. And he's been successful in
 doing that. We're going to bring a new approach within the
 Democratic party. But this is about more than politics, it's
 about the future of this country and I think that the
 American people are delivering that message.
    Q: You know, it's funny, because as we've talked to
 Republicans in the last couple of days, they're saying, well
 they're stealing our ideas, they're stealing our slogans, 
 they're stealing all of our stuff, that these guys are
 really going so far toward the middle.
    CLINTON: Well, you know, that's because they
 convinced the American people that they own the vital center
 of American policies. They said things that sounded great to
 middle America. But all they did was keep taxes low on the
 rich and have no economic strategy.
    What we tried to do is to give the American people a plan
 that really will lift them up. I mean anybody can say
 they're for families. It's another thing to try to help 
 people raise their families. Anybody can say they've got
 good values and are tough on crime, it's another thing to
 help prevent crime. What we've got is real answers. They're
 not all the answers, but they're some good, real answers.
    GORE: And next time they try that line, ask them
 why in their speeches they always quote Harry Truman and
 Franklin Roosevelt. And John Kennedy. Why don't they quote
 Herbert Hoover and Calvin Coolidge. Those are the basic
 ideas and principles that George Bush and Dan Quayle are
 following. If they quote Harry Truman and John Kennedy and 
 then say those are our ideas, if they use them, if they
 govern by those principles, then they might have a new
 copyright on them. But they don't. They just use the
 symbols. They use politics. And people are tired of
 politics. They want fundamental change.
    Q: Thank you.

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