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From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Jesse Helmes
Date: 3 Sep 1992 17:29:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: mama.ces.cwru.edu

In article <3920@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:

>	Does that mean Syria controls the Lebanense Drug Dealers who are
>	in USA mainly Manahattan?
>

Do you visit Manhattan often? Just wondering.

>A Jaber


-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: batrur@lib109.its.rpi.edu (Rony Samy Batruni)
Subject: Re: New York Times article
Reply-To: batrur@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.121639.6477@iscsvax.uni.edu>, howard@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|> Hi again.
|> 
|> Some of you may be interested in the prominant article in today's
|> New York Times Op/Ed page (A13, 9/2/92), entitled " Don't Sell Out
|> Lebanon", by Amin Geymeyal.



  " Don't Sell Out Lebanon " by Amin Gemayel is in New York Times

   Op/Ed page (A23, 9/3/92).


 Rony Batruni.
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Dhour al-Shwair
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:31:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO:
----------

In the mountain village of Dhour al-Shwair, villagers told the LA Times
that they were afraid to vote and afraid not to.
One resident said: "If I vote the Syrians might ask me whom I voted for.
If I don't vote, they might take notice and put my name on a list."
From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Jesse Helmes {Lebanense Drug Dealers}
Date: 4 Sep 1992 14:17:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: mama.ces.cwru.edu

In article <3928@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:

>	Remember I am just attacking Lebanense Drug Dealers in
>	Manahttan. I have not reached Cleveland YET. 

>	Wait Until I get to Cleveland!!!!!

No problem.  Once here, will show you the way to Prospect Avenue. :-)

>A Jaber


-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Elections in Lebanon
Keywords: Honest ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:22:57 GMT
Organization: LC

In article <1992Sep1.042149.20878@dmpe.csiro.au> zughbi@dmpe.csiro.au (another phoenics person) writes:
>
>The Lebanese Government seems to be determined to finish the elections despite
>allegations of fraud and rigging and despite wide boycotting by Christians and
>some Muslims.
>
>The elections are fraud in some respects and NO ONE can deny that e.g.:

If fraud, how could the Fundamenalists  win a great majority in the
North and they were known to embattle the Syrians over the decades? 
This proves that Syria did force faithfull elections in lebanon, 
thanks to the brotherhood between the Ciders of Lebanon and
the Syrian Eagle.

jle
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Jesse Helmes {Lebanense Drug Dealers}
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)

>	Does that mean Syria controls the Lebanense Drug Dealers who are
>	in USA mainly Manahattan?
>
>
>Do you visit Manhattan often? Just wondering.
>-- 
>H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)

	Remember I am just attacking Lebanense Drug Dealers in
	Manahttan. I have not reached Cleveland YET. 

	Wait Until I get to Cleveland!!!!!


A Jaber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Mitterand on TF1
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:29:34 GMT

Yesterday I watched the French president Francois Mitterand debate the
Maastricht agreement on French TF1.

When on the subject of security, a journalist asked him about world security
and what had happened in Iraq and Lebanon among other places.

Defending the Maasrticht agreement, the President concentrated on Poland and
Yugoslavia and did not mention Lebanon.

Then the journalist insisted, asking the President what he would tell the
Lebanese who have suffered so much and so long:

The President then used to opportunity to remind everybody about the long and
warm cultural ties between Lebanon and France, and he himslef liked Lebanon
very much. He loved all Lebanon, both Muslims and Christians (even if he has a
special affection towards the Christians). He then declared very carefully:

Je vois deplorable des elections legislatives en presence d'armee(s)
d'occupation etrangere(s).

This program was broadcasted Thursady the 3rd. of Sep. 1992.

elie wardini
Xref: sparky soc.culture.lebanon:3893 soc.culture.arabic:3486 talk.politics.mideast:19464
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Syrian VW Joke
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:16:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Aug28.232427.2437402@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>(Iftah al sandooq,  sho ma`ak?  The man opens the rear trunk)
>(Wlaaaa -  Mharrib matoor, (damascus accent) , w - dayir kaman).

:)

>P.S. I apoligize to all of our brotherly Syrian people,

:)

> and to all of
>the Syrian soldiers serving Lebanon.

Lesh ba?

> This was meant as a humorous joke
>and not as an insult.  :) :) :) 

Of course!

:-) Salams!  Salams!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Lebanon suspends negotiations with Israel for one day
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:53:53 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Fri, 28 Aug 92 9:53:09 PDT ]

	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Lebanon's chief negotiator to the sixth round of
Middle East peace talks says his delegation would postpone by one day
their next scheduled meeting with Israel in hopes the Jewish state will
reconsider what he called its inflexible position.
	Souheil Chammas said Friday he had hoped that the promise of progress
during this round presented by a new Israeli administration would
materialize.
	Quite to the contrary, Chammas said, Israel's position ``has hardened
much more.'' 
	Lebanon wants Israel to ``withdraw completely'' and unconditionally
from the security zone in the southern region of the war-torn nation.
Israel will discuss withdrawal, but only after the two foes strike a
peace agreement.
	``I have proposed that we suspend the meetings until Tuesday to give
time to both delegations to study the records and come with fresh ideas,
'' Chammas said. ``I don't think at this stage of the negotiations there
is an impasse that constitutes a total blockage. But we risk reaching
that situation.''

--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Khaddam's threat :-)
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:39:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO:
----------

The Washington Times wrote (Aug. 29): "If the elections (in Lebanon)
are internationally recognized as valid, Syria can afford to redeploy
its troops to the Bekaa Valley at no cost to its influence over Lebanon;
Syria will leave behind a strong secret police and a government controlled
by Mr. Assad's allies. If, on the other hand, the elections are declared
invalid, Syria could leave its troops in place... 
Indeed, Syrian Vice President Abdel Halim Khaddam has been muttering dark
threats to that effect.

Whatever it is, a 'free and fair election' it is not. The Bush administration
ought to make that clear, as the French government did Tuesday, citing massive
fraud. Equally, the administration must impress on its friend Mr. Assad
that there can be no two ways about redeployment." The Washington Times
concluded: "The time has come to speak up."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Subject: Re: Elections in Lebanon
Keywords: Honest ?
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 15:29:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.025519.9156@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
>Hi Fellow netters
[..]
>After hearing what my father said and seeing the results I can safely say that
>there are some old faces that got reelected but others have been elected by the
>people, I know for sure that the supporters of Hizballah's candidates are a lot
>and therefore it is only logical that they will pass. The same goes for Dr. Hoss
>who is very much loved by the West-Beirut (if not all Beirut) community and
>therefore it is only logical to see him victorious over Rashid Solh who if you
>cancel his last name is unknown to the voting generation. The same goes for
>"Muslim Fundamentalists" who have their popular base in the North.
[..]

Really Rached, if some people were to rig the election and make it seem honest
what would they do?  Make Hrawi's son lose, let Hizbollah win a few seats,
make the popular Hoss win, etc..  If Hoss were to lose anyone could've concluded
that the elections were rigged.  Are you familiar with the term plausible 
deniability?  That's what's at play here, for the Hrawi regime to build a case 
for plausibly denying that they rigged the election.  Better yet, I don't think
Hrawi is smart enough to plan all this, it must be the Syrian Mukhabarat.  In 
the end whether the election is rigged or not can be determined with a single 
question: does the new parliament really represent the people?  Everything else
does not matter.

Of course, I can not prove or disprove that the elections were massively
rigged.  Wait and see your country further sink in the Syrian lap that's your
best proof.

This reminds me of a story.  Someone went into great length to cheat and get an
"A" on a course.  The instructor determined that the student has shown great
ingenuity in the method he used to cheat and so let him keep the "A" because
he deserved it.  Well, if the Mukhabarat really managed to pull off an honest
rigged election, then they deserve to run the country.  They couldn't do
any worse than Hrawi.  The logic of absurdity.

And so it goes..

bassem
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: The fundamentalist scare (ploy).
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:27:47 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO:
----------

Hazem Sagiyeh wrote in yesterday's al-Hayat that Syria is using 
those fundamentalists as a scare tactic to win over Christian, 
secular Muslims, and most importantly the US. 
Syria hopes that if everybody is given a choice between Syrian 
occupation and the control of Hezballah, then everyone will chose
Syria.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: zughbi@dmpe.csiro.au (another phoenics person)
Subject: Re: Elections in Lebanon
Followup-To: (Habib)
Organization: CSIRO Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:00:59 GMT

Distribution: 
Organization: CSIRO. Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Keywords: Honest ?

  

It seems that you have been away Johnny boy. Did you visit tripoli? Have the
Syrian brothers treated you well while you were there? It looks a bit each
way to me since you told that old joke about the VW stolen engine and then
apologised. At least Anisa appreciated your position.

I suggest you should stop calling Syria sister: The Syrians may try to screw
Lebanon even harder to prove a point. At least call Syria Brother, Big Brother.
You should not worry so much about what is grammatically correct.

As to how the elections could rigged and the fundamentalist winning a few seats,
I suggest you read previous postings. The Syrians are basically using them to
prove (after the boycott) that those fears were not justified and also to scare
the Christians and mainstream Moslems even further. Surly the fundamentalists
would be another winning chip for the Syrians in their game with the US over
Lebanon. 

I hope your newly acquired wisdom johnny will blossom.i

The elections were always going to be rigged due to the fact the election law
has been doctored and specially tailored to suit some people: Mouhafaza sometimes
and Qada' other times even though the Taef agreement calls for Mouhafaza based elections.

Habib  :)))))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject:  Elections in my Country
Organization: LC
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:16:41 GMT


Why haven't we heard a thing about the Elections in the North of our Lebanon?
Is there anything wrong?

I wonder if the following candidates made it:

1- Fathi Yakan  
2- Taha Naji   
3- Omar Karameh
4- Ahmad Fakhr Aldeen 

jle
From: choueiry@liasun1.epfl.ch (Berthe Y. Choueiry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: image and sound server might be unreachable
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:19:37 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Dear Netters,
Image & sound directory /users/choueiry on anonymous ftp server liasun3.epfl.ch
might be unreachable for some time because of hardware "upgrade" of the machine
"Nestor" where it "resides". The server will be fully operational, only that
directory will be unreachable. Please don't send e-mail messages if you fail to
"cd" to it.

Nestor is scheduled to go down on Sept 7, 1992. All files will be transferred to
an improved version of that machine on Sept 19 to 21. Hopefully then, the
directory will be readable again. Sorry for the inconveniency.

Cheers,

-- 
Berthe Y. Choueiry

choueiry@lia.di.epfl.ch
LIA-DI, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne, Ecublens
CH-1015 Lausanne, Switzerland
Voice: +41-21- 693 52 77			 Fax:   +41-21- 693 52 25
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Elections in Lebanon
Organization: Univerity of Oslo, Semitics dep.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:21:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.081116.24796@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@ulrik.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:

of course, a typo from me! again!!

>
>Elections should be an instrument to measure the popularity
                 ^
               *NOT*

>of a certain leader. Elections is to let he population
>choose representatives.
>
>
>elie wardini
>
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Abillamaa's call
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:49:35 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


Mr. Farouk Abillamaa has called for the formation of "a broad national
front" that would put an end to the Syrian-backed authorities. Abillamaa
urged General Michel Aoun and ex-premier Saeb Salam to "return to Lebanon
before it is lost."
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Prospect Avenue (Cleveland Ohio)
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:53:55 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
>
>No problem.  Once here, will show you the way to Prospect Avenue. :-)
>
>H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)

	As the saying goes" Isaal mjarrib wala tisaal Khabeer".

	"As an experienced and not an expert". 

	So I will not be lost in Cleveland Haidar if you already know
	Prospect Avenue.

A Jaber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Lebanese Christians strike to protest elections
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:44:31 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Fri, 28 Aug 92 9:32:32 PDT ]

	BEIRUT, Lebanon (UPI) -- Thousands of Christians began a three-day
general strike Friday to protest Lebanon's first general election since
1972 which they say will deny them a voice in the future of the country.
	Christians believe the presence of some 35,000 Syrian troops in
Lebanon following the 15-year civil war will influence the outcome of
the election in favor of the country's Muslims.
	The civil disobedience call was being observed by Christians across
Lebanon, reports said.
	Christian candidates who have already pulled out of the race were
joined Friday by Labor Union leader Elias Habr and Maronite Deputy
Shafik Badr who said the elections were being held prematurely.
	In the Beirut Christian neighborhoods of Kesrouwan, Jbeil and Metn,
businesses, schools and shops shut down.
	The strike was partially observed in the northern village of Bsharre,
hometown of hard-line Lebanese Forces militia leader Samir Geagea.
	The mainly Christian opposition announced Sunday a ``day of mourning
to mark the death of democracy in the country'' and called on citizens
to remain indoors throughout the civil disobedience campaign.
	The campaign was launched to coincide with the second phase of the
elections scheduled for Sunday in Beirut and Mount Lebanon.
	The opposition, led by the Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Seir, said it
would participate in the elections only after Syrian troops pull out of
Beirut as provided for in the Taif peace accord that ended the 1975-90
Lebanese civil war.
	On Monday, House Speaker Hussein Husseini resigned, charging that
fraud and massive vote-rigging had taken place at Sunday's elections
where four pro-Iranian Hezbollah candidates and four of their Christian
and Muslim Sunni running mates were victorious.
	Farouk Abillama, leading Gen. Aoun's followers, insisted Friday that
the first phase of the election had been rigged and that the results
were ``based on falsifications.''
	``The majority of Lebanese, Christians and Muslims, do not want these
elections because of the vote-rigging,'' Abillama said.
	``We will continue our opposition,'' he said, adding that ``neither
freedom nor democracy are respected in Lebanon.''
	Abillama appealed on the United States ``which preaches democracy,
freedom and liberty to help Lebanon.''

--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Syrian VW Joke
Organization: LC
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:36:34 GMT

A man was arrested at the Syrian check point in Lebanon because he was caught
smuggling an engine in the rear trunk of his VW Bug.

(Iftah al sandooq,  sho ma`ak?  The man opens the rear trunk)
(Wlaaaa -  Mharrib matoor, (damascus accent) , w - dayir kaman).


It is said that the soldier hit him the engine was running during 
the smuggling operation (hazardous).

Another man was arrested there because he was 
smuggling a car battery under the seat of an Audi 5000S. :)

P.S. I apoligize to all of our brotherly Syrian people, and to all of
the Syrian soldiers serving Lebanon. This was meant as a humorous joke
and not as an insult.  :) :) :) 

jle



Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Election news
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:12:40 GMT

The government has decided to proceed with the elections, as scheduled, despite
the opposition of Fares Boueiz and another minister(Georges Saadeh?), and 
despite Husseini's allegations of widespread fraud in Baalbak during the first 
phase of the elections. 

--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Jesse Helmes { Drug Production in Lebanon}
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:30:49 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
>
>Drug cultivation and export has grown by at least an order of magnitude
>if not more. (I'll try to dig up statistics)
>While Hashish cultivation has stabilized in terms of tons/year, the 
>more lucrative opium production has increased by orders of magnitude.
>By some estimates, 230,000 Lebanese use illegal substances.


	I know You like to taint Assad for any thing that comes across.
	I am more hostile to Assad than you because your hostility to
	Assad will fade once your sect gets a long with his sect. I am 
	hostile to Assad on more Strategic grounds because I am not
	willing to play his Sectarina Game. So please do not think I am
	degfending Assad.

	The Drug Problem in Lebanon is an Indigenous Lebanense Problem.
	Assad likes to get his fair share of this trade may be but who 
	what do you expect from a sectarian regime like that of Assad.

A Jaber
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Jesse Helms
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:25:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep2.125610.24187@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep1.234416.8624@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu
|> (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
|> > 
|> > From CLAO:
|> > ----------
|> > Senator Jesse Helms wrote in today's Washington Post that the United States
|> > should stop selling to Syria civilian products with potential military
|> > applications. Helms added: "We can stop giving Syria military preferences.
|> > We can refuse to recognize the Hrawi regime." Senator Helms concluded:
|> > "Assad believes the United States will sacrifice Lebanon to the peace
|> > process. We must advise Assad that peace should be for everyone. Lebanon
|> > should not be occupied by Syrian troops or by a Syrian puppet regime."
|> 
|> Watch out when playing with the devil.
|> 
|> I wrote to Senator Helms about the Israeli attacks on Lebanon some time
|> ago and in his reply he did not once mention Israel but instead wrote on
|> and on about Syria. I don't think Senator Helms would have any problem
|> with an Israeli puppet regime in Lebanon. He certainly doesn't give a
|> damn about Israeli troops rocketting and shelling Lebanese villages.
|> 
|> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)

Well since both of you are equally biased we could get some averaging
effect :-). In any case, from the statements I have read over a period
of time, he is well informed about the Lebanese situation, and he is 
very pro-Lebanon. He is also well informed about the Syrian controlled drug
trafficking in Lebanon. 
As a matter of fact I should write a card thanking him.

Regards, Elie.