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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Auto Politics
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:43:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.Jul25.183741.20924
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Jul25.123319.1509@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm) writes:
>Do you realize that if Slick Willie gets elected,
>JILL CLAYBOURNE will be dictator of cars!
>
>She still believes in the 1,000 mile per gallon carburator!

I have an old copy of C&D where Clinton writes in and thanks the
editors for doing a good write up on Arkansas highways.  He even talks
about how much he enjoys driving on those roads.  You can draw your
own conclusions;  I'd rather avoid discussing politics here.  :-)

eliot
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to determine year of a car?
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:13:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: deepthou.SYNTH.92Jul22171304
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality


sachin@sdd.hp.com (Sachin Naik) writes:

Sachin> I was wondering how to determine the year a car was
Sachin> manufactured.  I was thinking of getting a 87-89 Integra and
Sachin> if I get an 89, I want to make sure it's not an 87 or 88.  Is
Sachin> there something on the car that tells you what year it is?

Well, the Owner's Manual should proudly display the model year of the
car.  Regarding the Integra, there are two different designs.  The
first generation, 1986-1988, had retractable headlights; and the
current generation, 1989-1992, has visible headlights, is wider, has
a longer wheelbase, and is much more smooth in appearance than its
boxier predecessor.  I can get into more minute differences between
model years, so email me if the Owner's Manual course-of-action doesn't
work out.


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From: eoates@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: Connolly Hide Food
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:14:01 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Jul28.155840.7084@dsd.es.com>, bjernfal@olin.dsd.es.com (Jan Bjernfalk) writes:
> 
> A while back I remember seeing some positive reviews of a treatment
> for leather seats called "Connolly Hide Food", or something close to
> that.
> 
> Does anyone know where to buy this stuff?
> 
> -- 
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Jan Bjernfalk                           Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
> bjernfal@dsd.es.com                     Salt Lake City, Utah  801-582-5847

I use the stuff on my Ferrari.  It is available at the service department of
any dealer which sells cars equiped with Connolly Leather: Ferrari,
Rolls-Royce, Bently, Jaguar, Lotus, maybe some others.  I prefer it to Lexol.

Ed Oates (my opinions, not Oracle's)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: A/C switch problem
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:24:38 GMT

In article <182822@pyramid.pyramid.com>
jchu@sword.eng.pyramid.com (Jan-Hua Chu) writes:
>The A/C switch next to the compressor of my car is not working.
>I connected the wire so that it is on all the time if I turned
>on the AC.

>Is is OK to leave it like this?

If I read this to mean:

"I've connected around the compressor clutch relay so that whenever the
AC switch in the passenger compartment is on, the compressor is running, too"
then, in my opinion, this is a bad thing. See, that relay is connected to
what's called a "three pressure switch", which sends the relay a signal to
turn off the compressor if (1) the R-12 pressure is too low, or (2) is
too high, and I'm not sure what condition 3 is, or if it exists. 

What I mean is, for all we know, your relay isn't cutting in because you
don't have enough R-12 pressure. If this means low oil as well, bye-bye
compressor at the worst. If it's just busted, and there's adequate oil,
when the pressure rises in the hoses, the 3-pressure switch says "turn off
the compressor" and it doesn't, that pressure will keep rising, and
personally, I'd like to be around to see what happens when your lines let
go- but not that close.

Most of this is speculation, but from what I've read of AC systems, it
seems plausible. I'm sure I'll get corrected if I'm wrong.

	-Kenny
-- 
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OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
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From: eliot@chutney.rtp.dg.com (Topher Eliot)
Subject: Re: shipping a car to other state...
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:34:47 GMT
Reply-To: eliot@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: shipping a car...

I shipped a station wagon from TX to NC via Allied van lines.  They predicted
that it would go in a van, but said it might go on a car carrier, and indeed
it did.  It was sort of weird seing a car carrier truck with "Allied Movers"
on the side.  All went fine except the white wagon got diesel soot on it,
which was a pain to wash off.  I would suggest a good wax job before shipping
it.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rmc1862@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Rodger M. Cliff)
Subject: Re: Questions on Honda CRX (Buying)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: 31 Jul 1992 12:38 EST  

In article <SS.92Jul31082812@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes...
> 
>>I was told a couple weeks ago by a Honda Dealership (Lansing,
>>Michigan), that the 1991 was the Last year for the Honda CRX's.  They
>>are coming out with a new convertible kind of car in 1992.

>I saw a picture of the new car (forget what mag.) It will totally 	
       probably Car and Driver; it was on the cover
>replace the CRX. Has a new name which I forget also. It will still 
       C&D called it a CRX Del Sol (local Honda confirmed this)
>be a small 2-seater like the CRX, but convertable. Looked cool. 
       not a true convertable, but a targa
>Anyone know if Honda ever made a factory CRX convertable? I saw one
       No, Honda did not
>on the highway a while back with the top down, and it looked awsome.
>I was wondering if it was factory, or some kind of aftermarket
>conversion...
       Straman Co. (CA?) did/does make a convertable conversion for the CRX
>--
>                        Scott Streeter
>                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: chu@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu)
Subject: Re: Mustang Mailing List?
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.151548.57299@cc.usu.edu> sl8wm@cc.usu.edu writes:
>Can anyone tell me if there is a a Mustang related mailing
>list and if so how do I get in contact?
>
>thanks
>bj
>
Try sending mail to one of the following:

classic-mustangs-request@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com for early model Mustangs

or

mustangs-request@hpda.cup.hp.com for late model Mustangs.

eyc
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"T'is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness"
But t'is so much easier to curse the darkness.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: Ban the Killer of 300,000 (losing your cars)
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:32:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.153411.8910@highlite.uucp>, burgoyne@highlite.uucp (J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:
|> Here in Maryland they just upped the gas tax by 5 cents, and this year our
|> car registrations have gone from $27 to $35. And half the people will be forced
|> to pay for a two year registration at $70! Don't you just love giving the
|> government your money without receiving any interest on it? We already have
|> some of the most expensive auto insurance rates in the nation.
|> 

Too bad.  We pay $2.50 for a gallon of gas and $65/year for registration.
I have a car of average value and have driven for 10 years without an 
accident (although I have made a couple of comprehensive claims) - 
insurance $900/year.

Every three years we have to get a new drivers licence - $15 for
the photograph and another $35(?) for the licence itself.

Americans just don't realize how good they have it...
|> 
|> Robert

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From: valdesus@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Joseph Valdesuso)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: SATURN VS SENTRA
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:33:14 GMT
Reply-To: valdesus@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Joseph Valdesuso)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

piece of sh*t.
    5000 miles - seat adjusters fall off
    25000 m   -  temp and gas gaugee work intermittedly- usually dont
	 work at all
    34000 m   - exhaust rusts
    46000 m   fuel pump goes up
    48000 m   -  rotors warpage
    63000 m  exhaust rusts out again
    70000 m - door handles fall off , window slides off track
    speedometer never worked right
    105000 - exhaust rusts out again
    110000 - converter, cover and brackets fall off
    presently- burning serios oil, serios rusting- cant take even a
screw off because it breaks due to. rusting  - changed oil every 4000
miles like clock work.                 d

Consumer reports rated the Saturn as the best reliability in its cyvstcI will e
class, so thats what I will buy next time.
From: wesf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Aftermarket Parts, Glad We Can Get Them!
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:14:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

Situation:

1) Vehicle (domestic) in at dealer for warranty repair...
2) Clutch needs replacing (not under warranty)...
3) Dealer quotes $359.21 parts only (clutch disk, pressure plate, throwout
     bearing)...
4) They want my okay...

Right!  After a few minutes on the phone:

  $223.90 Another dealer with same parts
  $168.43 Local auto parts shop
  $142.00 Another local auto parts place
  $138.19 NAPA

I run down to NAPA, get my parts, (suprisingly, the "rebuilt parts" are all
NEW with the manufacturer's and OEM stamps on them), deliver them to the 
dealer doing the job, and I'm on my way with a lot lower cost and a little
bit of time put in.

I'm glad I DON'T HAVE TO BUY FROM THE DEALER!!!

Wes Fujii

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Wes Fujii               *           JAPANESE BUSINESS MOTTO           *
* Boise, Idaho            *        You can buy anything you want        *
* wesf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com *             with a lot of money             *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Connolly Hide Food
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:36:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amoco

bjernfal@olin.dsd.es.com (Jan Bjernfalk) writes:


>A while back I remember seeing some positive reviews of a treatment
>for leather seats called "Connolly Hide Food", or something close to
>that.

>Does anyone know where to buy this stuff?

Brookstone carries it, (or, at least, used to). 
From: gw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Gordon Wilson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:47:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Non CFC Air Conditioning
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


> Hi,

> I'm looking to purchase a new car and I would like to know the
> real scoop on auto a/c and CFC's. I have 3 basic questions:

> 1) For how long will CFC refrigerants be available, and affordable?

> 2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
>    year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?

> 3) Can a car that currently uses CFC refrigerant also use the new 
>    non-CFC refrigerants, or is there a fundamental difference between
>    the types of A/C units?  In other words, can one replace the 
>    refrigerant with non-CFC refrigerant?

> Thanks!

> Neil Stern  (N.Stern@ma02.bull.com)

  I can still remember a popular science article (must have been several
years ago) that had a car air conditioner that used no refrigerant.
It would compress the outside are, extract the heat, then pipe the
resulting cold air into the car.  The only problem was the muffler
required to silence the noise from the air pump.  They said it would
be available in a few years.  Has anyone heard about cars that use this
technology?

gordon
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Typhoon test drive
Reply-To: Marshal.perlman@bbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:57:44 GMT

chrisw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Wiles) writes:



>	Well me and my GF. went down to the GMC dealer and looked
>at the new Typhoon's. I was impressed. We were looking at the teal
>colored one they had on the lot. It was a sharp looking truck. I wasn't
>impressed with the syclones, but the typhoon was awesome.  Some 
>trademarks were carried over from the typhoon like the intake manifold
>had syclone written on it, as well as the emission sticker. After 
>looking at it for a while and talking to the salesman we took it for
>a test drive. I was easy on it but I also got on the gas a few times.
>The power was there once the turbo kicked in. I feel the truck was 
>a definite must have and showed a lot of street rod potential. I would
>make only a few changes like an underdriven crank pulley (20 more hp)
>and a flowmaster muffler (20 more hp) and possibly a new chip for the
>computer (10 more hp) so you ad thos up and you get approx 330 hp (base
>hp of 280). the saleman did say the 93's would have 285 vs 280.  

I TDed a Syclone a while ago...and with a cool salesguy..he more or less
invited me to floor it all the time...we smoked a vette, and a 
old nova that was louder then hell <G>...i was told
though...that sycloens were made for 91 and that was it...ive not
year heard or seen anything about 92 or 93 syclones =8(
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From: CONSLT24@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Supra and Vigor info.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:03:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

For those who were asking about the next generation Supra:

I remember reading that they are going to have ~300hp Twin Turbo 
engine (will be an option on the Lexus 300) among other goodies.

The Vigor had ~3500% jump in sales this year (or since some month.. I'm 
not sure). Very impressive I would say.


Issa

(Hmm, Lexus 300 with 300hp. What is the LS400 going to do??)
From: yhmok@balaey.mips.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: The Acura Vigor and Unfulfilled Expectations (was Re: Luxury Performance Cars)
Date: 23 Jul 1992 02:33:08 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: balaey.mips.com

I think the Vigor is very good.  We have one GS in our family and its
automatic is smooth and much better then the new BMW 325is'.
Its also cheap - not enough people are buying it.  Our cost $22,000 only.

	Shark at SGI
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: smoriya@synoptics.com (Stanley Moriya)
Subject: 1984 Toyota Celica part wanted
Reply-To: smoriya@synoptics.com
Organization: Synoptics Inc. Santa Clara, California.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:27:19 GMT


I have a 1984 Celica Liftback.  I am looking for a cargo cover (black
color) that goes in the back over the luggage compartment to hide
the contents from view.  I would like one in good condition, but I
don`t want to pay $200 for a new one from a dealer.  I was told that
the same cover would fit any Celica Liftback between the years
1982 - 1985.  Any leads would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
			smoriya@synoptics.com
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Oregon Microwave's Radar Jammer
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <7529@public.BTR.COM>, jbauman@btr.btr.com writes:
> Several years ago, a company called Oregon Microwave sold plans for 
> a K band radar jammer, as well as complete units ($235!).  Did anyone
> out there build one of the units, or buy one?  Is the company still
> in business?  They were located in Portland on Barbur Blvd.  

If Mr. Bauman likes I think I know where the plans to this device are
located (one of my drawers).  As I recall the cost to build one of these
units was somewhat high dur to the necessity to purchase an expensive
microwave horn.  I think it cost too much to build at the time...


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: de2j@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU 
Subject: Help needed
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:27:23 GMT


Organization: University of Virginia
Keywords: 
Hello everybody,

I'm preaty new in this country so I don't know much about dealers and new car
prices. Anyhow, I am planning to buy a '92 Toyota Celica GT, with power windows cruise control, AC, stereo casette player. 
Dealer is asking $17,000 here in Central Virginia. I don't know is that a       reasonable price and if not what do you all think I should pay for such a car !
He didn't have the car on the lot so I couldn't see the sticker price. 
He was telling me he offered me a great deal, but I am not so sure. 
Thanks in advance and any suggestions will be greatlly appreciated. 

Davor Ebling
de2j@virginia.edu
de2j@poe.acc.virginia.edu


 

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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Electric Cars
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:13:15 GMT

Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon) writes:
>In article <jimf.712247124@centerline.com>
>jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:

>> The one car in the exhibit that really caught my eye was a 1908
>> electric car.  I've already forgotten the name of the car, but not its
>> statistics -- a 40mi range at 20mph.
>> 
>> One of the things that came to mind while I was looking at the exhibit
>> is that electric cars really haven't improved all that much in
>> seventy-five years compared to their oil-powered counterparts.  This
>> doesn't bode well for ZEV's IMHO.

>First off, that is NOT TRUE.  Solar Car Corp of Melbourne, Fla makes an
>electric pickup truck that will do more than 80 miles at speeds
>exceeding 45mph and reaches 70 MPH for short periods of time. 
>Solectria Corp of Arlington, MA converts Geo Metros that will go 60
>miles at speeds up to 60 MPH.

Sorry to say, but given better structural materials and much, much
better roads and I would expect this kind of improvement anyway with
no change in motor and batteries.

>Electric car research has not even existed over the time between 1910
>and 1990 because electrics were considered useless compared to the much
>more powerful combustion engines.

This is only partially true.  Battery research has been going on for
many years, it just hasn't come up with much -- and batteries are the
whole problem with electric cars.  Further, electric vehicles have
been commonplace straight through to today -- but they've been limited
to route-locked implementations such as trolleys (both tracked and
trackless) and subways.  For some applications, such as golf carts,
electric vehicles have been the norm for years.

So you're right -- electric car research has been nearly nonexistent
-- and you're wrong because electric *vehicle* research has not.

>The test model of the GM Impact will outperform a
>Porsche on the road,

...but for only an hour or two (if that long).  Electric engines have
tons of torque, so I'm not surprised if they outperform gasoline
engines.  This performance lasts only as long as the power source
though -- and gasoline is the more efficient power source at the
moment.

My point in the original post is that the range of the electrics has
not improved dramatically in seventy years.  Nearly all of the
improvements you see in electrics can be explained by better
transmissions, lighter body materials, better tires, and better roads.
To become truly competitive electrics much overcome the range and
recharging issues that have plagued the battery industry since its
inception.

I hadn't known that electric cars existed in the early 1900's and was
surprised to find that not only *did* they exist, they were popular
amongst well-to-do women (at least according to the museum blurb) and
had ranges that were comparable to what electrics have today.  Not
bad.

Happy hacking,

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mohr@rtsg.mot.com (Wilson Mohr)
Subject: General Tires - Good or Bad?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:58:59 GMT

Well it's about that time. I need to replace the tires on my Bronco II, but
the budget is dry (okay, slightly damp). "The Beast" came with General
passenger tires that only lasted about 32K miles. I replaced them with
Laredo's and have gotten excellent service from them (55K miles). I would
like to get a new set but, the budget won't allow it. I can get General
Grabber AT's within budget parameters, but I am hesitant from my previous 
experience with General's.

Anyone have any comments good or bad about the Grabber AT's or General tires
in General? (8-O) Thanks in advance!
-- 
Wilson Mohr         "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the
mohr@rtsg.mot.com    time, he will pick himself up and continue on" - W. Churchill
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Paint and Scotchguard protection treatments??
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:10:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

Does anyone have any experience with leather protection products? I have light
brown leather seats and they stain very easily. I'm looking for a place to get
them "sealed"?
From: rolfs@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Mark Rolfs)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:13:32 GMT
Subject: Re: NSX Firsthand
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

>it's low stance.  Getting in/out for a tall guy like me takes some
>doing, but once inside - no problem at all.  In fact, the cockpit
>is quite wide and leaves much more elbow room than say, an RX7.

How is the head room?  I am 6-2 and my head hits the roof of
most of the sports cars I have driven.

Mark Rolfs
rolfs@fc.hp.com