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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Mods for Realistic :)
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:45:57 GMT

wvogel@MtHolyoke.edu (keeper of the tone) writes:

: where in the world do you think your going to use that radio????????
: fact is most RS radio pll's wont allow a freq spread that you are looking
: for or do fm with out serious modifacations to the ckts
: if you have the 10 mtr RS unit i have been led to beleive that it cannot
: be modified to go out of band

Do you know what a Radio Shack Flavoradio is?  If not, have a look-see at the  
store or pull out your local catalog.   Meanwhile, I'm going to continue  
working on convertimg my Weathercube to a 2 meter repeater ...

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
                                                                Ogden Nash
From: cobra@jab.tucson.az.us (Ken Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a QUALITY mobile CB? 
Keywords: Power Microphone Manufacturer - Turner
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:40:15 MST
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

loel@bluemoon.use.com (Loel Larzelere) writes:

> 
> IMHO, most of the power mics start with inherantly poor (read cheap)
> designs.  When my mike went bad on my old Radio Shack CB, I wanted
> to put on a Turner JM+2U (arguably the best working and looking 
> amplified mic ever made).
> Alas, they are no longer in production.

 
Speaking of Turner...I was trying to get some information on a Turner+3 
microphone...I went to a book that lists darn near any manufacturer you 
could think of; couldn't find Turner, or the actual corporate name 
of...well, the bottom of this mic says (nearly illegible) "Turner Dvision 
Conrac Corporation, Cedar Rapids, IA".
 
I know Conrac is still in business; do they still own the Turner 
Division?
 
E-mail'ed responses would be appreciated...I'm on here sporadically...
 
Thanks!
From: dnwangus@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Dave Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Mods for Realistic :)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 06:44:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.cb, misc.test
Organization: Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ont., Canada

In article <identity mercifully omitted> writes:
>where in the world do you think your going to use that radio????????
>fact is most RS radio pll's wont allow a freq spread that you are looking
>for or do fm with out serious modifacations to the ckts
>if you have the 10 mtr RS unit i have been led to beleive that it cannot
>be modified to go out of band
>
>name withheld
>call withheld

Hey, look!  You caught one!   

Whatcha gonna do with it?  Keep it as a pet, drown it, or shoot it?

If it was smarter you could maybe train it to do tricks!

Better shoot it.  They don't stay cute very long.
--
Dave Angus                                   "Kundalini wants his hand back"
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: c60c-3gi@web-3d.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi)
Subject: thanks...
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:03:50 GMT


I just wanted to thank all of you nice netters out there who answered the 
endless questions I had about cb radio and driving... :)

here is what I plan to do:

After Wed., when my finals are finally done and over with, I am going to
shop around at K-Mart, Price Club, Best, and such places.  But here is
what I basically have in mind:

	(1) get an external antenna that clips on to the trunk lid.  I looked
	    at one closely at Radio Shack today and fodun that it clips onto
	    the trunk lid with two hex screws.  I think if I put a piece of
	    rubber or cloth or something, that will give me a secure fit 
	    without leaving any marks.  (if someone has an opinion against
	    this, please email me back!)

	(2) get a Radio Shack TRC-479 (or equivalent from other place) and
   	    put that in my car, connecting the power source to the cigarette
	    adapter.  The RS is a 40 channel cb (I don't know the watt, I 
	    think its 4) mobile that comes with internal speakers and
	    external mike for 50 bucks.

with the two of these should run me about 80 bucks, and the for two pairs,
160 bucks.  kinda hefty, but I think its ok.  I am still considering just
putting on a external antenna to my 3 channel 3 watt tranciever and that
will just run me about 60 buck for two antennas, and about another 20 bucks
for other accessories, which is 80 bucks...half the price.  Is 40 channels
worth it?  I will think about it.

one last question, the trunk lid antenna.  does it fit onto the hood instead?
I also have a station wagon which in the future, I think I will need to 
fit the antenna on there, but it doesn't have a trunk since its a sation 
wagon!

thanks all!

---Masayuki Karahashi
c60c-3gi@web.berkeley.edu
"I think its time to change major"
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: I know they are illegal...
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.211728.27332@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>: Nearly *every* high power AM broadcast facility does it this way for
>: efficiency reasons. The unmodulated RF is amplified to a high power
>: level by Class C stages for high efficiency and the audio is high
>: level modulated onto the final amplifier stage using a method called
>: plate modulation in tube days and collector modulation in solid
>: state transmitters. The only mistake the original poster made was
>: in saying that the modulating audio has to be of equal power to the
>: RF amplifier. This is incorrect, it only has to equal *half* the power
>: of the RF stage.
>
>High powered stations do it that way. However, I didn't think that we
>were talking about commercial stations. It is also the most expensive
>way, by far, of accomplishing the task. 

Well screen modulation is cheaper, but it's not as good. High level
modulation is cheaper than linear amplification for AM signals. Using
a Heising modulator, you can substitute another tube for the expensive
modulation transformer and still get high quality AM at low cost.

Gary KE4ZV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: I know they are illegal...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:30:05 GMT

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
: In article <1992Dec13.082040.23533@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >In any case, does anyone use AM anymore - except on CB and 160M?
: 
: Well Ancient Modulation is still alive and well in aircraft service and
: in the broadcast service, both standard broadcast and shortwave. Gannett
: has 12 in standard broadcast service.

I was not really talking about commercial one-way broadcasting. I had 
forgotten about aircraft - been too long since I have flown a plane.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: 5W CB radio in USA?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:26:25 GMT

cobra@jab.tucson.az.us (Ken Thompson) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: > 
: > That is true for AM and FM. It is not true for SSB. It is not easy to measure
: > SSB input power. I don't think that it is that easy to measure the actual
: > output power - except for maximum possible output.
: > 
: > Bill
: 
:  
: I thought it was done with a two-toned audio signal applied to the input 
: (after the audio circuits have been aligned)...with the audio gain set to 
: a known level, the SSB circuits (at least in my Uniden AX144, and my 
: Cobra 142GTL) should then have peak power out...aligning the correct tank 
: circuits should bring the power to within spec's, which is what you said 
: MAX possible output.
:  
: That's really the only way of measuring the input power to the RF driver 
: of a SSB radio, true?

The "two-tone" test was invented to give you an approximation of the power,
whether input or output. 

Be aware of tank circuit alignment. It is best done in AM mode - without any
modulation. Many finals in CB rigs cannot handle peaked circuits. You get
a greater carrier output, but you get reduced modulation. Running 6 watts of
carrier does you little good of your modulation is only 20%.

Bill
From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:16:57 GMT
Subject: Re: 5W CB radio in USA?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb

> > That is true for AM and FM. It is not true for SSB. It is not easy to measure
> > SSB input power. I don't think that it is that easy to measure the actual
> > output power - except for maximum possible output.
> > 
> > Bill
> I thought it was done with a two-toned audio signal applied to the input 
> (after the audio circuits have been aligned)...with the audio gain set to 
> a known level, the SSB circuits (at least in my Uniden AX144, and my 
> Cobra 142GTL) should then have peak power out...aligning the correct tank 
> circuits should bring the power to within spec's, which is what you said 
> MAX possible output.
>  
> That's really the only way of measuring the input power to the RF driver 
> of a SSB radio, true?
> 

Yup, that's it.  Bill forgets that SSB was a permitted mode of operation
in both the Amateur and CB services long before the "output power" convention
was adopted; it worked just fine, under the old "DC input to the final
amplifier" restrictions, since SSB could not use the final as the modulator
(which wasn't typically done in amateur AM practice, either, but I digress).
The only problem with this is that it really doesn't show SSB's "real" power,
as the power of an SSB signal is strongly dependent on the modulating signal,
unlike that of the AM signal (where 2/3 of the power is in the constant
carrier component).  The new method of output power doesn't really do justice 
to SSB either (although it's better than before), but it eliminates questions 
of output stage efficiency, etc., for better "apples-to-apples" comparisons.


Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions expressed here are not
                   User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com    Fort Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this planet.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Linears vs. legal system
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:28:06 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

tcs@ll.mit.edu (Tom Sefranek) writes:

> I'm sorry, but I must make this VERY clear...
> 
> Anyone who believes (and practices) that an amplifer can run class C for
> effiencies sake, and will still be linear enough for even SSB mode is
> contributing to the horror on the bands.  Read MY lips!!!
 
                         :() Lips read 
 
> 
> Class C is VERY NON-linear!!!  (Repeat after me,)
> 
> Class C amplifiers cannot amplify Sideband or AM correctly.
 
 Class "A" however works very Linear on SSB! So who mentioned class "C"?


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From: jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Civic LX, Saturn SL1.. what else should I consider...
Keywords: pl. suggest choices...
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:24:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz3xsK.Mx1
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1gacdcINNcbj@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>>The Escort/Tracer/Protege or the Sentra are great
>>cars.
>
>I have to agree; I drove a friend's Protege around and was suitably
>impressed.  I liked it better than his wife's 626 and much better than
>the new Civic.  I've never tried the new Sentra.
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com

Proteges ARE great.  I've had mine for 2 years.  It is a '91 model
bought in december of '90.  Since then, I've put 40K miles on this car.
Mind you, these were not 40K average miles, but 40K miles of TEENAGED driving.
I have the LX w/ the 125hp motor, and while the car is not lightning fast,
its rather quick for its price/size.  I paid 10,500 dollars for it.
I drove it through salt,slush,hail,harsh winters, and it hasnt skipped
a beat.  I've taken through 5 hour road trips at 95-105mph constant and
it has worked fine.  My car's engine lives in the upper rev ranges, and
nothing is wrong with it.  I just slap in new synthetic motor oil
every 3000 miles, slap in new NGK spark plugs every 20000 miles, and the
thing goes and goes.
Dealer warranty service has be GREAT also.  I've had to replace a sticking
thrmostat, and the dealer was VERY polite to me.  Remember that I am only a
kid!  And, when I complained about the trunk not having a strong enough
spring, the dealer put in a stronger spring for me...for FREE.
The OEM bridgestones wear rather fast  ( I went thru mine in 20K miles,
but I take corners ridiculously fast) but other than that, the car just
goes and goes.  

-Jason Leung
From: chinh@sequent.com (Chi'nh Duc Dang)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: To: Barry Drodge,Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva - new question...
Keywords: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGH!
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:23:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec14.232322.13547
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.182831.27530@metter.fmpmis.metter.com> virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (P. Virgo) writes:
>
>Well,guys, new cars aren't always perfect...
>
>My Acclaim,which I LOOOVVE, has developed "early" wear--basically, after
>about 7 months ownership/16.5K miles, she has developed premature disc
>pad breakup--resulting in one screwed up rotor...
>
>Chrysler says that this is "regular wear/tear"...and the warranty(7/70)
>doesn't cover it...
>
>I don't buy it...any suggestions???

  Take your car to a different Chrysler/Plymouth service department.  My '92
Voyager had a engine belt and speedometer sensor replaced for free at 15K.  They 
said it's no big deal since the van'd just passed bumper to bumper warranty.  
  I bet not all dealer service departments have this kind of service.

>
>d.j. NetBoy
>-- 
>
>d.j. NetBoy
>Metters Industries
>Arlington, VA 22202


-- 

      Chi'nh Duc Dang
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Sales slime lies (was Re: Chevy truck doors)
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.034129.17330@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.053127.13538@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kattke@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (g.w.kattke) writes:
|> >This was quite a few years ago, when Chrysler brought out their
|> >little front-wheel drive things (was it Dodge Horizon?). The car 
|> >mags and even the local newspaper noted that Chrysler was buying
|> >4 cyl engines from VW until they could get their own on line.
|> >
|> >I happened to mention this as I looked under the hood. Salesman
|> >said "Oh NO, the engine is made by Chrysler here in the US."
|> >Even the VW inside a circle stamped on the engine block wouldnt
|> >get him to admit that he was wrong.
|> 
|> is there any possibility that the VW engine of was indeed made
|> in the U.S.?  VW had a plant in pennsylvania for a while, but
|> i can't remember exactly when and whether they were turning out
|> engines, too.


As I remember it, Chrysler was using the VW 1.7 Liter for awhile.
I don't think at any time that the PA plant built engines, they were
mainly for vehicle assembly and some of the body components (i.e.
steering wheels, glass, etc. were of US manufacturer).

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eytan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Joseph Alpern)
Subject: used acura integra
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:22:57 GMT

I am looking to buy a used car.  I have tentatively decided to buy a 1990
Integra.  I would appreciate any advice as to whether this is a good car
to buy.  I have looked around and have found some for $9200-$10000.  Does
anyone know where to go to get the best deals on used cars?  
My e-mail address is eytan@leland.stanford.edu.

Thanks,
Eytan
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Chrysler Invented Cab-forward?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:31:27 GMT

In article <2342@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>Drew writes:
>
>	"the biggest thing about all this bragging that Chrysler has
>	been trying to do ... is still that they can't come up with the
>	room for a stick shift pedal arrangment..? ...  they don't
>	think i'm intellegent enough to handle the truth in their
>	advertisements ... If they misrepresent "facts" like these, how
>	can they expect me to believe that they know what they are
>	talking about ..."
>
>The problem here is that you believed what you read on the net, and
>somehow found enough ammo here to belittle the credibility of the
>entire company.
>
>Chrysler didn't say this.  A car magazine writer guessed that the wheel
>well prevented a clutch pedal.  What he failed to note is that they
>could make room for the clutch pedal by losing the parking brake pedal
>... and that Chrysler is working on a stick shift for the 95 LH.  (How
>do I know?  I read it in a different car magazine.  Hmmm ...)
>
>But what do you care, Drew? -- it's front wheel drive.  ;-)
>
>  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
>                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)

	A point here:

		I don't think that the parking break pedal location would be
	The ideal location for a clutch, way too far left and forward, judging
	by the picture on page 60 of C/D Dec'92.  You would have to be a 
	Rumanian gymnast just to work the gears if you replaced the parking
	brake with the clutch pedal.  Not a flame, just $2/100 US.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:56:57 GMT

In <Dec16.180441.18687@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:

<stuff deleted>
>the svx is no audi quattro.  repeat.  the svx is no audi quattro.  the
>only thing it has in common is that it has AWD and 2 doors.  other
>than that it is as different in personality as night and day.  the
>only car that is remotely close to the quattro coupe in terms of raw
>excitement (if not the ultimate finesse) is the mitsu eclipse/eagle
>talon.  you should go drive *the* quattro coupe some time.  it is 
>a religious experience.

	I wouldn't really say so. To me it was just another AWD, 2-door,
	sporty car with average handling and fair performance. 
	It corners neutrally (I suppose you mean Audi Quattro S2?
	The old Quattro Coupe and Quattro S1's handle like s**t!!)
	and the traction is something you would expect from a car
	like that. Subary Legacy 200, SVX etc. are pretty much the
	same, too, without some luxury options. Lancia Delta HF
	Integrale understeers terribly (almost crashed one a couple
	of weeks ago), Toyota Celica 'Carlos Sainz Edition' handles
	like a Cadillac - it's not as comfortable but equally soft,
	Sierra Cosworths 4x4 / Escort Cosworths oversteer a bit (feels
	good to me, I've driven RWD and AWD a lot but not FWD),
	Nissan Sunny GT-R feels like a small car (because it _IS_
	a small car), Nissan Skyline handles great (4WS works!),
	Dodge Stealth has the same feel as MB 4-matic (heavy and
	terrible understeer), Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 handles well
	(balanced, I would let my grandmother drive it!)...

	For touring I would choose Subaru, Mitsubishi or Cosworth,
	for rallying Integrale or Nissan, for track Cosworth or
	Skyline. And for showing off, AUDI. I'm sorry to say that
	but the car isn't quite as legendary as its name.

>that is quite sad.  interesting unusual cars always seem to get axed.
>i guess it is understandable why the japanese and europeans keep their
>most exciting stuff away from these shores.  the land that regards the
>camry/accord as perfection.  ugh!

	I don't know which of the cars I mentioned are being imported
	to US, but all of them are more or less fast and make as good
	daily driver as an Accord... 

	...if you can afford the speeding tickets.. :-)

-Henri

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: Saturn repair costs
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:55:15 CST

|Saturn was introduced in 1991, and so are still all under GM's
|36month/36000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. Therefore, they have not
|been any non-warranty repairs.
|
|Perhaps the magazine was dividing by zero or something.
|JSLee

My guess is (and this is just a guess, I have not seen the article
that started this thread) that the authors made a list of items
that they considered to be "expected repairs" that one would 
encounter in five years, and then calculated replacement costs
for those items for each of the models.  Not very statistical,
but then that is sort of how they calculate gross national product,
rate food store chains, and a host of other measures these days.

---
--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: gsb2q@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Briercheck)
Subject: Buying a 1977 Oldsmobile
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:14:08 GMT

Suppose I was going to buy a 1977 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with
the 403-V8 engine.  The car is original owner, has 65,000 original
miles (mostly highway) on it and is in incredibly good condition. 
There is no rust on it, its never been wrecked (I know the owner), 
and it has been very well maintained.

My questions are:

1) What is this car worth today?

2) Will this car ever go up in value?  If so, how much do you think?
   (i.e.:  is it worth buying and holding on to for a while, 
   since the 1977 Cutlass was the last full sized Cutlass that GM made!)


Any replies via E-Mail would be appreciated.  If I get some good
answers, I will post them.


Thanks for your help,

-Scott Briercheck

gsb2q@Virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.autos