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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Good Places to Ski this Year
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 19:16:31 GMT

In article <92247.151445U59985@uicvm.uic.edu> U59985@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>1. My friends and I are all intermediates skiers. We can do black diamonds but
>not easily (depends on where we are).

Well you're in luck, because almost all resorts have ample intermediate
terrain. 'Bout the only resort I wouldn't recommend is Taos, lots of
steeps and a lot of easy stuff, not much in between.

>2. Lift ticket prices are probably the biggest consideration. I would like to
>ski Vail or Aspen, but I don't think I'd want to pay $40+ for a lift ticket.
>Maybe this is why I like Utah so much. 

I find this surprising. If you're destination skiing, the difference
between a $30 and $40 lift ticket is the least of your concerns after
paying for airfare, transfers, car rental, lodging, food, etc.  

My advice, after several years of putting together 10 day "econo-miser" 
ski trips: Ski wherever you truly want to ski, scam for local discount 
coupons, pay the lift ticket price and forget about it.  Economise on 
lodging, airfares, car, food, etc., but don't compromise where you want 
to ski for the sake of $10.

>4. Has anyone heard good this about British Columbia. As of now, this is where
>I would like to go. But it's pretty far and I want to know it if would be worth
>the trip (I live in Los Angeles).

[I'll assume you're talking about Whistler/Blackcomb, although there are a
lot of other great places to ski in BC]

Depends how you define "worth the trip."  Great skiing if the snow is good
(and it often is), and lots of easily available nightlife, if that's part
of your trip.  A tad on the expensive side, unless you cook and entertain
at home.  As for getting there, compare airfare into Seattle plus car
rental vs. airfare into Vancouver plus a shuttle.  You don't really need a
car once you're there, but airfares into Seattle are often significantly
less.

>5. Preferably we would like to go somewhere that offers some variety. We consid
>er ski vacations to be a big deal, so we would like to be able to go to several
>different resorts during our visit. Utah is a good example, all the major ski
>resorts are within close driving distance of each other.

Tahoe in CA.  Banff in Calgary, Alberta.  Numerous areas in CO.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mefels@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Mark Fels)
Subject: Re: Sunday River
Organization: Dept Of Mathematics and Statistics
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:30:19 GMT


Someone already mentioned Mt. St. Anne as another possibility to Sun.Riv.
I would also recommend this for the reason that as an interesting
day trip which is about 1/2 hour away is Le Masif. Last year was
supposed to be the last year it used school buses for lifts and
they were going to put in a HSQ, but I don't know if that is on or not.
Does anyone out there know? There was a ski-mag article on the place
a couple years back (anyone recall?). Le Masif has about 800m vert.
not bad but only a few runs, and last year they said they were going
to develop the place, and if that happens it could easily become some
of the best skiing in the east. They also didn't make snow in the past.
M. Fels
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: SNOWBOARDING: Burton
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:06:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Any snowboarders out there, clue me in.  I just started boarding last
year and bought myself an AsymAir, which I love.  I was using the flex
binding cause I like the support and I am moving to hardboots/plate
bindings, cause I think thats the wave of the future for everything
except the pipe and living in the East means ice.  

My question is this.  Has everyone seen the new Burton inserts?  Are
they crazy?  I know they tested it for a year ans ironed out some
troubles that they sadi they had, but the physics of this design is
nuts!  I realize that now there is preactically infinite degree
adjustment, but wont the heel and toe totally flex off the base?  All
the inserts are in the middle and plus they have three screws right
next to each other, which just begs to be stripped in my opinion.  

I had problems with my bindings coming off the board in the toe and
heel with last year's model.  THis new year's model looks to be even
worse.  

Has anyone tried it?  What do they think?  I feel royally screwed over
because I had to hunt for last year's binding and now nothing is
interchangeable with my board, which was the atraction of Burton. 
Nikon's new 92 auto focus lenses fit on their 1967 cameras.  These are
the ideas that make or break reputations and companies.  I might switch
to Nitro. What have people ridden and what do they like?

e-mail or post
gen.kanai@dartmouth.edu
From: v087mxgb@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Shawn E Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Knees....(braces, injuries, etc)
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hi-ho,


while I've been skiing a while, I just today decided to
subscribe to this newsgroup and saw a post (well, several
actually) about knees and knee-braces....


I have an athletic-related knee problem. I ski alot. I run alot.
I believe braces *could* have helped me. Let me expand on that:


I was skiing quite frequently a couple years ago (maybe 3-5 
times a week), trying to master big bumps (bad knee stuff these!).
I've since taklen up distance running (up to about 14 miles now).

During the past four years, I've been experiencing knee pain
(especially when climbing stairs) that my doctor and I *thought*
was the result of a forward patella impact injury (smacked my
knees on the ice during a failed backscratcher).

This condition worsened, until I was finally convinced to see
a specialist. My specialist (former doctor with the NY Giants
and in partnership with one of the Buffalo Bills doctors) 
diagnosed me as having excessive-lateral-patella syndrome 
(crooked kneecaps). My physiology's natural propensity for
lateral-patella was enhanced by my increased athletic activity
(especially the unbalanced exercize my outer quads recieved,
pulling my patella from the weaker inner quads and off center).


I now wear elaborate neoprene knee-sleeves during this exercise
(haven't been on snow since getting them, so I dont know how to
use them skiing). *These* particular type of braces gently guide
the patella back to center during exercise (to strengthen the
proper muscles and stretch the proper ligaments and tendons).

Again, *these* particular type of knee braces might help *this*
particular situation before it gets excessive...




If you have a propensity for patella alignment/orientation
problems (possibly manifested as knock-knees, bow-legs, 
or suppination/pronation), you might want to discuss this
option with a doctor. It *could* help avoid a long-term
problem.




***disclaimer*** "damn it Jim, I'm an engineer not a doctor!"





Shawn Thompson
v087mxgb@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
	<2A9ABFFD.5BB7@deneva.sdd.trw.com>
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:53:34

In article <2A9ABFFD.5BB7@deneva.sdd.trw.com> shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace) writes:
   >Why would you have to 'settle' for Park City, when Alta is
   >only 45 minutes away?  I stayed in Park City last year during
   >March 7-14, and the snow was much...]

NO NO NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Stay in Park City!  It takes more than 45' when you consider the
horrible traffic in & out of Park City and the problems of climbing
Little Cottonwood behind a line of cars stuck behind the UTA bus!!

Plus once you get upcanyon, all you'll see at Alta are PinHeadNazis
who carry AK-47's to gun down anything not skiing on freeheels or
wearing only natural-fiber earthtones.  At Snowbird you'll be plowed
down but DayGloBudweiserMogulTourBumpSkiiers and TeenageBoardhead
ShreddersFromHell.

Plus you can't get a drink and have to drive *all the way back* to
Park City to get anything resembling *real* nightlife.  

Park City is much larger and more efficient and you don't have to wait
in line as long to get on an antiquated double chair like you would in
the Cottonwoods.

Plus at Deer Valley, they treat you much better, what with the loads
of ski valets and lift valets and blankets-on-the-hi-speed-triple
luxury.

Plus the food is much better in Park City.
  
  >We didn't go to Deer Valley, so I have no opinions about it.)

Well you should have.  Try it, you'll like it. Better yet, ski
Colorado, preferably Vail.

  > Sheila
  > Sheila Wallace		(shla@spf.trw.com)
  > TRW, One Space Park, R2/2162, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
                    
damn californicators

| _, launce gouw * internet: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu * ooniversity of ootah 
|(_) medical center * department of human genetics * expat californian heh heh 
___) we apologise for the previous opinions. those responsible have been sacked
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:10:56 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Distribution: na
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <rvhnvjm@lynx.unm.edu> pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) writes:
>In article <78689@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>> 
>>Seriously, though, I've been told there's a good beg./int. place in S.Colo. by
>>the name of Bear Creek Pass or something like that.  Anyone got any info? 
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Are you sure its not Wolf Creek ski area in Wolf Creek Pass?  This place
>is a good candidate for the most snow in Colorado!  I have never skied there

He must mean Wolf Creek.  I have been curious about it also; is it hard 
to get to because of the location near the pass?  Is it worth a side trip 
if in the vicinity?  (We sometimes drive into SW Colorado via NM, with 
Taos and Santa Fe on the way, so a bit of variety might be fun, but 
Wolf Creek is a bit out of the way.)  Also, anyone ski Angel Fire?

>because Purgatory is so close and is a much bigger area (and reported to be 

Ditto for Purgatory.  I assume you stay in Durango and drive the 25+ miles 
up there.  How big and diverse is the area?  As we drove by last week 
on the (extreeeemly bad, under construction) road, I could see what 
looked like a very interesting gully on the left with lots of sidehills 
on a zig-zag path.  Is this as good as it looked?  How crowded is it?

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: pej@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Phil Jensen)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:25:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Closed Ski Areas in Colorado - Post 3
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> d.  RIST CANYON - Some questions, but no new data yet, stand by.
> 

How did you hear about that one? Yes there was a rope tow on some private
land up in Rist Canyon (West of Ft. Collins). Vertical was on the order of 
75-80 ft on a single "run". Three or four years ago the tow disappeared
and there is no sign of this "area" anymore. The run was on the south
side of the road just about where the pavement ends.
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Wolf Creek & Crested Butte (Was Re: Beginner's silly questions
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:14:06 GMT
Organization: EDS Research

>>Hey netters! Have you ever noticed that many beginners feel compelled to hit
>>the blacks after 2 days? Have you ever noticed how they all ski "parallel"
>>within hours of putting on ski boots the 1st time?  Don't you think that
>>this bunch should have their dreams fulfilled by trying out Corbet's Couloir
>>immediately?

No, hadn't noticed that.  I have noticed how some folks get mighty uppity
when they think they know something, though, and especially when there's no
way to prove otherwise.  They also seem to forget about the time when they
were beginners and had questions.  What, you were born with skis on?
Musta' been hell on your momma!

It must be the lack of snow!  I'm never this grumpy when it's cold!  Either
that, or it's the darned WEC course!

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler)
Subject: Re: where's my ski magazine???
Reply-To: mwbutler@IASTATE.EDU (Michael W Butler)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:38:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.083234.1@ualr.edu>, grspangler@ualr.edu writes:
> what's this i hear about ski magazine being a quarterly now???  i found
> powder, but when i asked about ski i was told to expect the first issue in
> late september.  that doesn't sound right to me.
> 
> ===========================================================================
> USMailNet: Guy R. Spangler  2801 S University Ave  Little Rock, AR  72204
> AT&TNet:   (501)569-3345
> InterNet:  GRSPANGLER@UALR.EDU
> 
> Disclaimer: What?!?!?  I didn't say that!!!!!

  My copy was in my mail box at school when I got here last week.  I got my
copy
of Skiing magazine before I left home.  Although I do admit my buying guide
issue last year got lost in the mail.

=============================================================================
 Email: mwbutler@iastate.edu
  Mike Butler

PS:  Is anyone going to be in Summit County over Christmas and New Years?
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Re: Beginning
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:56:05 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

> I was chuckling thinking back to when I first learned how to ski.

>  What about you Glen?  Even ski patrolmen have to start some place. 8^)

 Memories of youth:

  - Early weekend morning bus rides from school to the death defying
    slopes of Snoqualamie Summit.

  - Gloves chewed to pieces by rope-tows.

  - The first chair ride. "Dodge Ridge". Wow!

  - My first pair of buckle boots! (second hand).

  - Standing at the top of "Thunderbird", staring down the slope, and 
    being absolutely terrified.

  - Falling about two turns into the run.

  - The wierd chair at Hyack.

  - Trying to ski anywhere *near* as well as my brother. <grumble grumble>

  - A college roommate who was the most natural skier I've ever seen.

  - The two mantras of skiing:
      Beginning: "Where are your hands? Where are your hands? Where..."
       Advanced: "Which f**ing foot are you on? Which f**ing foot..."

  - Ejecting at the top of Green Valley (Crystal Mountain) and sliding
    *all* the way down the bowl.

  - The back-kip-up-half-twist recovery.

  - Doing the BKUHT recovery multiple times on Sunnyside, directly under
    chair 2 (Crystal), much to the amusement of the people on the lift.

  - "What? You actually hike to places that aren't lift serviced? Are
    you nuts?"

  - Mid-slope binding repair. Multiple times.

  - Cold, wet, rocks, powder, crud, blown knee, cliffs, chutes,
    moguls, steeps, high speed, crash and burn, friends, locals,
    tourists, beer, incredible views, scared to death, 5:00 am
    on the back of a groomer with a pack full of dynamite,
    smiles, frowns, FREEDOM!

 I'm still learning. In fact, I can still generate the same enthusiasm
 that I used to have when I was brand new. Every once in a while I'll
 surprise myself and absouletly shred some run...it makes me smile for
 days.


 ..glen "man, I gotta get away from this keyboard more often!"
From: carltonj@media.mit.edu (Carlton J. Sparrell)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Sunday River
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:02:36 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

>|> I look forward to trying Mad River Glen this year, from what I hear it
>|> could be one of the last "corporate" mountains.
>|>
>|> CJS
>
>BTW dont you mean "non-corporate" mountains.
>
>Bob Schwartz

Yes, I meant "non-corporate".  Sorry for the typo.

CJS
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Sunday River
Date: 28 Aug 1992 13:12:26 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com
Keywords: anyone know about it

In article <BtoF85.MIy@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS) writes:
|> I was wondering if anyone could give me some info on a place a
|> called Sunday River in Maine. I saw a trail map in the new ski
|> canada magazine and it looks great.  Has anyone on the net been 
|> there and if so how is it? Specific things we would like to know 
|> are:
|> 1. Are there any good mogal runs?
|> 2. Are there lots of intermediate runs with no bumps?
|> 3. Do the accomidations have kitchens and or is it expensive to eat there?
|> 4. What kind of night life is there?
|> 5. Basically is it worth the 9 hour drive I would be making to get there?
|>  

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes they have kitchens, I dont know if its expensive to eat there
   (off the mountain)
4. Very little.
5. IMHO - An emphatic NO!

I believe Sunday River is one of the most over-rated areas in the east. 
They make like a lot of snow (ice) and have a lot of trails.  Many of the
trails are good and the place can be a ton of fun midweek, but stay clear 
on the weekend.  The place gets extremely crowded.  They have good lift 
capacity but this is one of their main problems.  They dont know when to
quit selling tickets.  On more than one occasion I have been nearly hit
by some out of control yahoo who had nowhere else to go because of the
crowds.  It reminds of driving in rush hour traffic.  Also, becuase of the
excessive level of skier traffic, the conditions are icy almost all the
time.

Being a tour guide for a local ski tour company, I have skied at nearly 
every ski area in New England.  If you are looking for the best all around
area, I would reccomend Sugarloaf USA in Maine.  A few of the areas in 
Vermont are great too (not Killington).  But if you dont mind the drive
(which it sounds like you dont) drive right past Sunday River and keep
going up to Sugarloaf USA.  It may even be closer from where you are 
coming.

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge, MA
 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS)
Subject: Re: Sunday River
Keywords: Thanks for info
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:02:52 GMT

Just wanted to send a note of thanks to all the people who sent 
me mail and who posted with info on Sunday River. We have sent away 
for some info on the place but of course they will only give of the 
good qualities. Once again thanks all your information was very 
helpful.
 
"Just waitin' for the snow"
Kathy

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:22:32 GMT

bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson) writes:
>Part of the fun of skiing is risk taking. I don't think I have ever been
>[stuff deleted]
>
>Where I see all the speed-demon-I-can-go-fast-I-just-can't-slow-down idiots
>are on the greens and to some extent the blue's.
>
>Bryan Olson

Yah.               ...............So, what's your point?

--Chris
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Custom Boots
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:57:06 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: all
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 18:07:00 GMT, dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann) said:

Dave> Is it generally possible to customize boots that weren't originally
Dave> custom jobs?
		Yes
Dave> I have some San Marco's that have been through 3 moderate seasons and
Dave> are getting loose.  Can they be salvaged or are new boots the only
Dave> answer?
		Yes, they can be salvaged.
Dave> Also, can anyone recommend a good custom boot fitter in Boulder
Dave> (or less preferably, Denver).
		I highly recommend Chivers on 28th across from Crossroads.
Dave> thanks.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
My, that back range looks great with snow!                         ISSC Boulder
From: U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wanted: Rollerskis
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:09:34 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I'm in the market for used rollerskis.  I'm looking for a diagonal-skate
combi or diagonal only model with or w/o bindings (3-pin, SNS, or SNS Profil).
Great excuse for someone to unload their old skis and upgrade... 8-)

Please e-mail (or phone if that isn't possible).

  -- Chuck Amsler
     bitnet: U52809@UICVM
     internet: U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
     home phone: (708) 771-6055 (Chicago 'burbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cvgibson@utah.edu (Chris V Gibson)
Subject: Re: Yo, Telemarkers !!
  
Reply-To: cvgibson@utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, Meteorology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:44:03 GMT

In article 8364@etn.uucp, bjs@etn.ericsson.se (Bj|rn S{ter|y 1342) writes> 
> 
> what type of snow are they good in (hard packed/ice, deep powder, etc)?
> retail price in the usa?
> quality (can they take being driven hard in the moguls> 
There are some telemarkers who are stopping by the office trying to catchup
on work because we'll be sliding soon.

What type of ski's are these ?
I think evolution's are made in SLC and they are expensive.
Black Diamond has a plant here now but I don't think they make ski's here.
I think Black Diamond gets there ski's from over-seas.

On the quality issue, If your a strong skier you will trash a pair of
telemark boards in the bumps, and skiing the resorts.  My experience with
tele-boards is that they don't hold up to every day resort skiing but do
fine in the backcountry.  I've got a pair of downhill/alpine skis set up
with cable bindings for Nordic Alpine resort bashing.

Chris
From: sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson)
Subject: Re: National Ski Association
Keywords: savings? scam?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:20:33 CDT

I have had one when I was in Aspen two years ago and one again last year.
Yes, you can save good money on lift tickets BUT the deals are spotty.
Last year I got $25 off a two day pass at Lutsen Mtn in Minnesota but 
when I was in Aspen, the only deal I was able to use was 10% off pizza.
Best to check a "where good" list before getting one.

BTW, last year they would not give one out unless you applied for a NSA
credit card, a trend I do not like.....

***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
I'd rather be in a coma.........
From: john.durso@betabbs.newton.ma.us (John Durso) 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: EL NINO???
Date: 25 Aug 92 10:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Beta BBS -=- Newton MA -=- (617)244-7053
Reply-To: john.durso@betabbs.newton.ma.us (John Durso) 

-> My understanding is that the El Nino is a yearly phenomenon. I'm
-> curious if the system has broken up or if it will affect weather
-> patterns again this winter.

I did a  project on El Nino when I was in college.  El Nino is not a
yearly phenomenon.  It occurs on avg every 4 years.  I beleive there is
one going  on this year.  It affects  the atmospheric and oceanic
systems all over the world.  The one  in '84 I beleive was extremely
severe.

John
From: maarrrk@ruapehu.ucsb.edu ( Mark Alan Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: DaleBoot Owners Unite!
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:11:56 GMT

Anybody out there ski in DaleBoots?

--maarrrk (maarrrk@ruapehu.ece.ucsb.edu)