From: wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering)
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga X11 (war: Re: X-Windows Client)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:54:19 +0100
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In article <C176CF.Jz@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>, Markus Illenseer writes:

% In article <becher.00hx@jericho.adsp.sub.org>, becher@jericho.adsp.sub.org (Jochen Becher) writes:
% |> In article <P3qis*J00@wolfhh.hanse.de> chris@wolfhh.hanse.de (Christian Wolf) writes:
% |> > In article <40.165@ANM.zer.sub.org>, micromuncher@anm.zer.sub.org writes:
% |> >
% |> > > Hallo Leute...
% |> > >
% |> > > gibt es fuer den Amiga einen X-Windows Client, der mit Linux zusammenarbeitet?
% |> >
% |> > Solltest Du doch einen X-Windows Client haben wollen, gibt es 2 Mglichkeiten:
%
%  Da sich 'micromuncher' noch nicht geauessert hat, welches Linux er ueberhaupt
%  meint, ist die Frage nach einem Client ein wenig schlecht zu beantworten.
%  Ich fuer meinen Teil meine, das er einen X11-Server sucht, der es ihm
%  ermoeglicht X11-Programme auf einer Linux-Maschine (PC) laufen zu lassen,
%  und die Ausgabe auf dem Amiga erfolgen laesst. So ein Ding gibt es nur von
%  GfxBase (den Client, bzw. die Clients gibt es dort gleich dazu).
%  Ein PD-Teil gibt es (mw.) nicht.

Leider =:-< Es gibt folgendes:

uupub3:amiga/gfx/x11/x11_amigalibs.readme (Jun 13  1991)
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This directory contains an initial library for the X11/R4 system.

It was compiled on a Sun3/60 with gcc-1.39 configured for a
vanilla 68000 machine.  The code was subsequently brought over to
my Amiga 1000 and converted to SAS/C format libraries.

I use the AmigaGCC port to compile some test programs, but I am
unable to get past the #include "Xlib.h" as it fails since I only
have 2megs of ram.  Some functions I was able to test with hacked
include files.

I have not fully tested the library, and make no claims as to its
completeness or functionality.  As it is, I still need to add the
Un*x socket library and to implement miscellaneous functions.  I
am posting at this time so that someone with more memory in their
machine can test these functions.


If you have any questions or comments, please contact me at:

   Jim Getzinger
   32KKG6I@CMUVM.BITNET

Hopefully in a week or so I'll be able to post a more complete set.
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     In der Amiga-X11-Mailingliste (auf nic.funet.fi) kommt periodisch ein
`please (un)subscribe me' und gelegentlich eine Frage nach dem Stand der
Dinge -- de facto tat sich seit '91 nix =:-< Dale Luck wollte mal seinen
Spezifikationen fr die lokalen Verbindungen schicken, ist aber auch nie
was nach gekommen. Die Leute, die mal an einer FD-socket-Implementation
gearbeitet haben, tun dies jetzt bei C-A -- was da derzeit bei
rausgekommen ist, ist u. U. in der via GfxBase zu beziehenden AS225-Beta
zu bewundern ...


% |> > 2. Eingetragender Developer bei C= werden und die Socket.Library besorgen,
% |> >    X11R5 (und ggf. gcc) maile ich Dir dann zu :-)
% |> Mal ne ganz dumme Frage: Redet ihr ueber Amiga Unix oder AmigaDos? Was ist
% |> die Socket.Library (aeh, ich bin eingetr. Entwickler und koennt das wohl
% |> irgendwo nachlesen, haeh) ?
%
%  Dos, AmigaDos. Stichwort AmigaDos 3.1. Weiss sogar der Nicht-Develloper :)
%  Verweise auf die Postings von der Netzecke Commodores, Lew Eggebrechts Posting
%  und Online-Talk mit Ken Dyke (Amiga Networking Group) auf IRC...

Bevor ich mir jetzt einen abbreche und das auszugsweise uebersetze:

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   From: bj@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
   To: wusel@hactar.hanse.de
   Subject: Re: socket stuff?
   X-Status: O

   >     from what I've read on the various networks, is seems to me as if
   >there is/will be a implementation of TCP/IP with sockets etc.; I'm not a
   >registered developer, but I would like to support SMTP directly with my
   >sendmail for the Amiga UUCP Package. And NNTP for the CNews port ...

   The CBM AS225 TCP/IP package has always been 'sockets'. It's a port of the
   BSD networking software.

   You need to become a registered developer. The we can get you the stuff you
   need to support the networking stuff.  You need the docs and includes for
   the shared socket library.

   >     Can you provide me with (pointers to) information about this TCP/IP
   >package -- or is this still only available for developers (as there exists
   >a `sana2developer.lzh', I hope it isn't)? I remember it was in beta test
   >several months ago but allegedly purchaseable from GfxBase?

   The new software (AS225 Release 2) is still in beta form and only available
   to developers. The version that was available via GfxBase was the beta
   version. This was due to an arrangement with GfxBase that allowed his
   customers to choose to be a beta tester.

   >     Will there be something like an `inetd' (as on UNOX) which listens on
   >ports and starts subprocesses on incoming connections -- or would it be
   >neccessary to handle this internally, i. e. start a `smtpd' which listens
   >on port 25 and spawns subprocesses itself?

   Release 2 of as225 has inetd. You will need to use the new socket.library
   to use it, however, since it uses a standardized method for passing the
   connected socket to the new process.

   >     Rumours say that stuff will/may be part of AmigaOS 3.1; will it sold
   >separately, for example for Ethernet/Arcnet cards for 2.x systems?

   The rumors are incorrect. There will be no networking support in 3.1 and
   any networking support that is done in the OS in the future will likely be
   peer-to-peer stuff that is neither sockets nor TCP/IP.   AS225 R2 will be
   sold separately.

   >Regards,
   >                       kai
   >
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   Brian
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          Brian Jackson    Amiga Networking Group, Commodore-Amiga Inc.
                           bj@cbmvax.commodore.com
        {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!bj    or   networking@cbmvax.commodore.com
                          uva uvam vivendo varia fit
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Ciao,
			kai

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