From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 00:37:17 GMT

In article <dfs.724521509@kehleyr> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <1992Dec16.000224.18252@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
>Livni) writes:

>>You compare Kahane to Assad, Saddam and Arafat and then you accuse ME
>>of stirring??!!
>
>Jake, let's get this straight once and for all: YOU brought up the
>comparison, not me.  And my response to YOUR raising of the issue was
>that Kahane's policies have similarities to those of Muslim
>Fundamentalists.

And they have differences, as well.  The differences far outweigh any
similarities.  There is simply no comparison between an extremist like
Kahane and even the so-called moderates in the Arab world, not to
mention the tyrants and terrorists.

>>Did Kahane ever propose the holding of Arab communities as hostages
>>for political means as Assad has done with his Jewish community?
>
>No, he just proposed kicking them out or stripping them of civil
>rights.  He magnanimously gave them the choice between the two.

Incorrect.  He offered them the option of living in Israel according
to the rules of behavior that are accepted in Israel or of going to an
Arab state where they would be free to behave in a manner more
acceptable in Arab society.

>>Did Kahane ever promise the Mother of All Battles to destroy the
>>enemy and to scorch the Arab land they live on?
>
>He never gained power.  Remember, power corrupts... while Saddam was a
>nobody, he also didn't go around threatening people.  He bided his time.

Incorrect.  Saddam Hussein wasn't voted into office.  He took it by
force, personally killing many people along the way.  Kahane did, in
fact, gain power; he was elected into it.

>>Did Kahane ever state that he would "pump 10 bullets into the chest"
>>of anyone who disobeyed him?
>
>He never gained power.

The leader of a political party who is a Member of Knesset makes for
an odd example of someone who "never gained power".

David, you are simply trying to wheedle your way out of comparing
Kahane to some of the worst tyrants in the Arab world.  You're just
plain wrong.  One doesn't have to be a Kach-nik to see this.

>>While I certainly wasn't any follower of Meir Kahane, I find your 
>>demonization of him disgusting and unwarranted.
>
>Fine, you're entitled to your opinion.  I don't demonize Kahane; I just
>state the fact that his policies are (1) racist and (2) extremely dangerous
>to the survival of Israel.

You've stated them but have not substantiated them at all.
You're free to have a personal opinion.  You're also free to be wrong. 

>>Do you still feel that 3-4 years mandatory military service is "not
>>really" extraordinary?
>
>For North Americans, sure it is.  But many other countries have quite
>long periods of conscription.  Sure, Israel's situation is dangerous.
>But how does that justify Kahane's policies, which will only make it
>much more dangerous?

You haven't shown that removing trouble-makers from inside Israel will
make things worse, as you assert again.  In fact, the recent expulsion
orders by the fairly Left-Wing Israeli government seems to reject your
arguments, too.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
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