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From: zbang@access.digex.com (Carl P. Zwanzig)
Subject: Re: balticon info?
Organization: The Midnite Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:26:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.010250.6015@samba.oit.unc.edu> shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett) writes:
>I know, it's kind of late to preregister -- but we have decided that 
>we are going to try to make it this year due to an amazing amount of
>extended family apathy about Easter...so...
>

Balticon is April 17-19, 1992, at the Hunt Valley Inn in Cockeysville, MD.
(410.785.7000, although it's full, there's a marriot courtyard accross
the street.  the main hotal can give you info.)

GoH's are the past 10 year's (and only) Compton Crook Award winners, Donald Kingsbury, Chris Rowley, David Palmer, Sheila Finch, Thomas Thomas, Chris Hinz,
Elizabeth Moon, Josepha Sherman, Michael Flynn, and the not-yet-announced
1992 winner.    the award is for a first novel.

Featured artist is Guy Frechette, an airbrush and bone artist.

At the door admission is us$35.

Major events include a FOLK (not filk) concert on friday by Clam Chowder,
(to benifit a local fan who was badly hunt in an auto accident). 
On saturday, the usual speeches, and the masqurade.  Art auction on sunday.
Films, filk, panals. the usual convention stuff.

For other info, try calling the Baltimore Science Fiction Society at
401-JOE-BSFS. 

Carl Zwanzig
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
From: crispin@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan)
Subject: Re: Asimov
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:06:13 GMT

In article <+qwjf_k.aahz@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.203952.13264@julian.uwo.ca> crispin@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan) writes:
>>Asimov never had a clue about how robots worked, and wasn't even
>>original about it.  For a really thoughtful treatment of artificial
>>intelligence, check out _Heart of the Comet_ by Benford and Brin, _Queen
>>of Angels_ by Bear, _True Names and Other Tales_ and _The Peace War_ by
>>Vinge, 2001 by Clarke.  But please stop lauding Asimov's trashy, if
>>prodigious, robot stories.
>Hmmmmm.....all those stories you recommend come way *after* Asimov's
>seminal stories, so presumably were influenced in some way by them.
>Care to say anything about Asimov's contemporaries?
Given the complete lack of similarity of treatment, I would not presume
that Asimov's robots influenced these other writers, at least not any
more than the invention of Cheese Whiz.  Yes, these books all emerged
well after Asimov's; I chose to cite only those books that I have read,
and I haven't done a lot of reading in that era.  My Analog/Astounding
collection only goes back to about 1960 :-(.  However, the passage that
I quoted from the SF Encyclopedia was quite explicit in stating that
Asimov's robot tales emerged in the midst of a bunch of stories about
friendly, altruistic, lovable 'bots.  He was just following a trend.

I would like to hear comments from people who have read earlier works on
robots, AI, etc.  I'd appreciate the pointers to particularly good older
SF on these topics.

Crispin
-----
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Phyz-mail:  Middlesex College, MC28-C, N6A 5B7
E-mail:     crispin@csd.uwo.ca		Voice:  519-661-3342 
"If you want an operating system that is full of vitality and has a
great future, use OS/2."  --Andy Tanenbaum
From: trent@termnet.chi.il.us (Brian Issleb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Asimov lost\
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:09:53 GMT
Organization: Temple of Pong BBS

In article <1992Apr6.193524.5537@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott
D. Hurley) writes:
>
>Isaac Asimov died this morning, April 6, 1992 A.D.
>
>WHO's left?\
>-- 
>Though it will take me to Forever's Rim,
>I sail through the reaches of Time's Twilight Dim.
>Questing for Knowledge, on Night's Darkest Sea,
>Bound for those shores enshrouded by Mystery.  --Thaliaer's Oath


Whadd'ya mean?  Just because we've lost one of the greatest writers of this
century doesn't mean all the other SF writers are going to commit suicide....
There are plenty good writers left you know....
From: sew@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Sheila Wassmer)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:38:15 GMT
Subject: CONduit 2
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom

Posted for a friend.  I've never been to CONduit, but I heard that last
year's con was extremely successful.



	ANNOUNCING:

			  *********************
				CONduit 2: 	
			  *********************
	Son of CONduit Science Fiction and Fantasy Convention

	########################################################
	May 15-17, 1992	Quality Inn Center, Salt Lake City, Utah
	########################################################

	GUESTS:
	
	Roger Zelazny, Guest of Honor; Author of the "Amber" series,
	"Jack of Shadows", "Lord of Light" and "Roadmarks"; one of the 
	leading authors of Fantasy and Science Fiction

	Michael Stackpole; Free-lance game writer and author of the novels 
	"Lost Destiny" and "A Gathering Evil (Dark Conspiracy)" and 
	articles in "Challenge" magazine.

	Liz Danforth; Long time fan, professional artist and writer.

	Erick Wujick, '91 Gaming Guest of Honor, will return.  The author
	of the "Amber RPG" will be meeting the author of "The Chronicles
	of Amber" for the first time!

	M. Shanyne Bell and Dave Wolverton; authors and winners of the 
	"L. Ron Hubbard Writers of the Future Contest".

	SCHEDULED ACTIVITIES:

	Gaming and Role Playing, Films, TV Shows, Dealers Room, Art Show, 
	Panels and Discussions of every king by the guests and other 
	convention members, Filk singing, Masquerade, Short Story and 
	Art Contests, Ice Cream Social and Dance.  
	Starting time is 10AM daily.

	MEMBERSHIPS:

	Full 3-day adult memberships: $20 until April 30; $24 at the door.
	Youth (13-17) current adult rate; children (6-12) 1/2 adult rate
	(accompanied by adult); infants (0-5) free with adult.  One-day
	memberships at the door only.

	FOR FURTHER INFORMATION OR MEMBERSHIPS CONTACT:

	CONduit 2
	c/o Dave Powell
	2566 Blain Avenue
	Salt Lake City, UT 84108-3359
	Phone (801)467-9517


	CONduit 2: Son of CONduit is an activity sponsored by ReinCONation,
	a non-profit corporation for the the Science Fiction and Fantasy Fans
	of Utah, the Intermountain West and beyond.
From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Asimov lost\
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:35:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.193524.5537
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Isaac Asimov died this morning, April 6, 1992 A.D.

WHO's left?\
-- 
Though it will take me to Forever's Rim,
I sail through the reaches of Time's Twilight Dim.
Questing for Knowledge, on Night's Darkest Sea,
Bound for those shores enshrouded by Mystery.  --Thaliaer's Oath
Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.fandom:270 rec.arts.sf.announce:49 rec.arts.sf.written:5582
From: harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: WONDERCON in Oakland Ca. (here's info finally)
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:24:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1wzjzdk.harlock
Organization: The Space Vessel Arcadia


                                  The Sixth Annual
 
                                     WONDER-CON
 
                          The crossroads of popular culture
 
                                  April 24-26, 1992
 
                               Parc International Hotel
                                    1001 Broadway
                                Oakland, Ca 94607-4077
 
Tickets:
 
Advance: $9/day
         $25/3 day
 
At the door: $10/day
             $25/3 day
 
Call the CONVENTION HOTLINE at (510) 352-5841 for info on the nearest
comic book store carrying advance tickets.
 
Hours:
  FRI: Noon - 7pm
  SAT: 10am - 7pm
  SUN: 11am - 6pm
 
Hotel:
 
Register for your hotel room early!  Call (510) 451-4000
 
Parc International Hotel
1001 Broadway
Oakland, Ca 94607-4077
 
Be sure to mention "Wonder-Con" to obtain our special convention rate
of $75/night.
 
Features
~~~~~~~~
"Batman Returns" Preview
 
Japanese Animation festival!  All subtitled and dubbed!
 
GUESTS:
  Murphy Anderson
  Norm Breyfogle
  Paul Chadwick
  Geoff Darrow
  Peter David
  Tom DeFalco
  Dick Giordano
  Erik Larsen
  Gil Kane
  Ron Lim
  Dennis O'Neil
  Fabian Nicieza
  Mark Schultz
  Julius Schwartz
  Dave Stevens
  Marv Wolfman
 
Special Musical Guests:
   _---=Seduction of the Innocent=---
   Max Allen Collins * Miguel Ferrer * Steve Leialoha * Bill Mumy *
   John ~Chris~ Christensen *
 
Dealer's tables, more more more!

-- 
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From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Asimov
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:45:06 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

pjj@cs.man.ac.uk (Pete Jinks) writes:

>I believe that before Asimov & his 3 laws, robots were seen as
>badly-controlled monsters that could run amok at any moment ("there are some
>things that mankind was not meant to know/do") - a basically anti-science
>point of view.

>After, the interest came from seeing how a rational set of instructions
>could be distorted on encountering unexpected circumstances, and how the
>instructions could be corrected - a much more realistic view of how science
>operates & how potentially dangerous things can be controlled - isn't this
>what programmers, engineers, doctors, etc. are doing every day?

Is science rational- depends on your point of view really

Try reading 'Science in a Free Society' by P. Feyerabend.

From what you say above this will give you a radically different view of
science and the practice,philosophy thereof. T.S.Kuhn is another good one
to read.

The Snail
From: buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: balticon info?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:20:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Apr14.202017.29234
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science

In article <1992Apr12.042609.21336@access.digex.com> zbang@access.digex.com (Carl P. Zwanzig) writes:
>
>For other info, try calling the Baltimore Science Fiction Society at
>401-JOE-BSFS. 

That's either 301-JOE-BSFS (Until November) or 410-JOE-BSFS

All of Maryland used to be area code 301, but now the east half
is 410.  Until November, the old area code will also work.
From: sfl@GANDALF.RUTGERS.EDU (SF-LOVERS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: New Convention Listing
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: sf-lovers-request@rutgers.edu


The latest version of the convention listings is now available for
anonymous FTP from gandalf.rutgers.edu.  The filename is pub/sfl/cons.txt.

If you are receiving this message, then you are currently on my list of
people who will receive periodic notices of the availability of the
convention listings.  To obtain a copy of the listings you can use
anonymous FTP to retrieve it from the Sf-Lovers archives at
gandalf.rutgers.edu.

I will be updating the list as I get new information either at conventions
I myself attend, announcements that appear in Sf-Lovers, or material
submitted to me from other sources.  If you have a convention you would
like to have in the list, you can send mail to SF-LOVERS-CONS@RUTGERS.EDU
with all of the appropriate information.  I would suggest for best results
that you send the information at least one month prior to the convention
itself.
From: mcjunkin@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Bart L. McJunkin)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:41:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Forthcoming Books
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written

In rec.arts.sf.written, ECZ5TAN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Morgan 54871) writes:

    I just got the list of mass market paperbacks due this summer. Here's an
    abbreviated list of June released for those who are interested:

    The Phoenix Guards. Steven Brust (Tor, $4.99)

Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.  I knew I had the will
power to wait!

    I will post July and August releases if there is any interest.

Please keep posting.  It's nice to get some fact with my fiction.
    
Bart.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: dstein@phobos.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Uncritical thought (was: Unintelligentsia (was: Re: Spider...))
Reply-To: dstein@phobos.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 06:09:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.174818.18915@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>,
puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
|> eric@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
|> >>    First, the way you throw in Marxism, Socialist Realism, and "decadent
|> >>    modern attitude" smacks of the way many on the in the U.S. refer to 
|> >>    Socialism (as in Social Democratic/Welfare/Liberal) as essentially 
|> >>    identical to Communism of Bolshevik type.  Such deliberate blurring
|> 
|> Is this saying that Bokshevik == Marxist? Hmmmm?
 

   The quotation is from me.  And I wrote it in order to criticize the
   placement of too many equal signs between labels.

|> *****!Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!*****

   You are half done.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: s5223927@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Daniel Lescohier)
Subject: Re: Irish/Celtic Fantasy
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:39:53 GMT

In article <al.702856151@iris> al@iris.claremont.edu 
(crispy derson the wearer of wigs) writes:
>I am looking for recommendations for fantasy books based on (heavily or not
>so) Celtic/Irish myth.  This could include re-tellings of classic myth/legend/
>fairy tales, or just books in an Irish vein.  I've heard _The Book Of Kells_
>by R. A. MacAvoy (sp?) is a good place to start; any suggestions?

	Katherine Kerr's Deverry series (five books so far) is an
original story in the traditional Celtic style.  The titles of the
five books are:

Daggerspell
Darkspell
The Bristling Wood
Dragon Revenant
A Time of Exile

	Each book is generally divided into more than one "book."
Each "book" can skip backward or forward up to a few hundred years.
Katherine Kerr follows the different incarnations of several souls,
and how their Wyrds intertwine.  Includes dweomermasters.



-- 
 Daniel Lescohier        | InterNet: s5223927@titan.ucs.umass.edu (until May)
 Univ. of Massachusetts  |---------------------------------------------------
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From: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Poetry in Lem's Cyberiad
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:18:56 GMT
Reply-To: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department

In article <1992Apr10.021643.3429@alchemy.ithaca.ny.us>,
cpf@alchemy.ithaca.ny.us (Courtenay Footman) writes:
 
|>     Which is pretty impressive. However,  what is fascinating is the
fact that
|> Lem wrote in Polish, and that the book is translated by Michael
Kandel.  Were
|> the poems originally in English, or was this masterpiece written by Kandel?
|> If so, what did Lem originally write?

   I'm quite sure the poems were written in Polish; Lem professes only a
reading
knowledge of English.  I also believe that when I read the Czech version of the
poem, all the words began with an "N", not "S".  I remember being even more 
impressed with the love poem expressed purely in abstract math terms. 

   Czech is quite close to Polish, so I think I have had a good glimpse
of Lem's
brilliant use of the language.  One fortunate thing for translators is
that many
of Lem's puns and word innovations have roots in Latin or Greek, or concern
internationally known terms.  Which is not surprising given the fact that Lem
writes mostly SF.

   Kandel is indeed one of the best translators around.  I belive he even
won some kind of a prize for the best translator of the year.  

   I only wish that Kandel had translated _Solaris_.  Arguably the most 
important of Lem's SF, it came to English through a double-translation via 
French.  The result does not measure up to an average Kandel job; not to 
mention the Polish original.    

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
From: dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Cliff hangers
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 12:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: munnari!labtam!eyrie!prolix!dac
FollowUp-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Keywords: 
Organization: More like Dis~, really.

In article <26980008@hpspkla.spk.hp.com>, Bart L. McJunkin writes:

> In rec.arts.sf.written, matt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Not the kind you have to wind up on Sunday) writes:
> 
>     Cliff hangers.  Don't talk to me about cliff hangers.  When Chanur's
>     Venture (C.J. Cherryh) first came out I bought it and read it.  There
>     was no indication that it was part of a series until, on the last page,
>     when the Chanur ship is all repaired and re-outfitted and they are ready
>     to go flying off with their allies to go after the bad guys ...
> 
>     		TO BE CONTINUED
> 
> 
>     ARGH!

Oh yeah!

but What A Series!

> I hear you.  The sequel 'The Kif strike back' came out with
> such a whimper that I didn't find out about it until 2 years
> after it was published.  I found it in a used book store!

Then there is "Chanur's Homecoming" which finishes the series.

Earlier last month someone posted an upcoming list of anticipated
releases, and Cherryh was mentioned with another Chanur book.
Great!

Highly recommended series.

Dac
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  prolix!dac%eyrie@labtam.oz.au      Canberra, Australia           \X/ (_](_](_
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From: jopollack@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Asimov
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:55:04 +1000
Organization: Vassar College

He's dead.
From: colby@gondolin.ctron.com (Peter Colby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Katherine Kerr's Deverry
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:53:33 GMT
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <10APR199216112316@odin.dev.macsch.com>, b_hart@odin.dev.macsch.com (Bill Hart) writes:
|> In article <willimsa.702918331@unix1.tcd.ie>, willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes...
|> >In <1992Apr10.013953.1683@nic.umass.edu> s5223927@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Daniel Lescohier) writes:
|> >>	Katherine Kerr's Deverry series (five books so far) is an
|> >>original story in the traditional Celtic style.  The titles of the
|> >>five books are:
|> > 
|> >>Daggerspell
|> >>Darkspell
|> >>The Bristling Wood
|> >>Dragon Revenant
|> >>A Time of Exile

	This series has been around for quite a while - I remember
discussions of Daggerspell and Darkspell serverla years ago on
the antecedent to this news-group. Sometime later, having forgotten
all about the net discussions, I bought Dragon Revenant on a whim,
read it and liked it very much. A short while later I found a copy
of The Bristling Wood and read that. Finally, just last week I found
both Daggerspell and Darkspell and I'm now 1/2 way the second.
	Reading the earlier books after the later has not detracted
from my enjoyment of the series - in fact, I intend to reread the
later two in the correct order as soon as I'm done with Darkspell.
I guess this means I can wait patiently for A Time of Exile - at
least for another week or so.

	Peter C
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Terrible book: The Red Tape War
From: <ICRJP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 09:22:14 MST
Organization: Arizona State University

I also read/suffered through this book.  It had very little to offer.

                                   Randy Palmer
                                    rpalmer@dz.inre.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: phil@trantor.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Awards procedures
Keywords: Science Fiction, Awards
Organization: The University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:53:32 GMT

Chuq Von Rospach writes:
>>	o The Nebula Award
>The final ballot is mailed to SFWA members in late February.

Question: To *all* SFWA members?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: humorous science fiction
From: bjuland@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:53:43 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City

In article <1992Apr1.222028.5630@cs.cornell.edu>, rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu (Rolando Vinluan) writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.194953.22023@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> young@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu (Sarah Young) writes:
>><ICRJP@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>
>>>  I have been into a humorus science fiction kick lately and would
>>>appreciate anyone's opinions and titles/authors .
>>
> 
Try the Star Trek books.......nothing serious happening there...

Chris
From: trip@cco.caltech.edu (Trip)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: David Palmer: Threshold
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:24:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

tdober@llnl.gov writes:

>In article <92106.134020AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET>, AUDMH@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>> 
>> Actually, I have a minor quibble with _Emergence_.  When the AAs are getting
>> ready to send up their shuttle, they are all bummed out because while they can
>> get robots to do the individual actions, they can't get a robot that will do
>> them all and still fit the size requirements.
>>
>> [stuff deleted]

> [more stuff deleted]

My quibble was that Palmer couldn't be bothered to do a little
research. The whole 'carefully dismantle the atom bomb' routine was
pointless. If you want a nuclear weapon to not go off, blow it up. They
didn't even *really* need the shuttle; a moderately bright missile with
a shaped charge would have sufficed. Admittedly it was important enough
that it would be nice to have human troubleshooters handy, but they
still went through a lot of rigamarole that was completely bogus.

Aside from the fact that Palmer isn't smart enough to write about
super-geniuses, though, it was a decent book. :)

Trip			     |Running for my life and never looking back
President, ECNG		     |In case there's someone right behind
(trip@cobalt.cco.caltech.edu)|To shoot me down and say he always knew I'd fall
			     |				-_Chess_
From: JVANDOREN@knuth.smith.EDU (Julie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Receipt confirmation
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:10:24 GMT

Confirmation: message read at 9:10, 10 Apr 92
Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #156