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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:58:41 EDT
From:         Michael Winkler <winkler@lis.pitt.edu>
Subject:      RE: Where in US did Ranganathan teach?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Ranganathan had an honorary degree at Pitt, and I believe taught here
as well.

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| University of Pittsburgh           |
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:50:08 EDT
From:         "Katy Silberger" <JWEZ@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      market basket info

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I have been driven crazy by a question that seemed incredibly simple but
> I have not been able to answer. A patron came in and wanted to know what
> items constituted the Bureau of Labor Statistics market basket of goods
> for the purpose of measuring price changes.                           s

Steve:

      I don't think you should be so disheartened over not finding
the basket list.  According the O'Hara/Siciganano, Handbook of
United States Economic and Financial Indicators (an invaluable
reference book BTW) the Consumer Price Index basket consists of
about 400 items.  If memory serves me correctly, the contents
of the basket can change anytime there is a significant variation
in the price of some item.  I seem to remember some economists
questioning the accuracy of such a practice.  A more recent source,
Frumkin's Guide to Economic Indicators (c.1990) cites two BLS
publications,


     BLS Handbook of Methods, April 1988, Chapt. 19

and

The Consumer Price Index: 1987 Revision, BLS Report 736,
January, 1987.

Incidentally, I have both the sources from which I cited on
our shelf of reference books which we reference librarians
consult constantly.  The first source is c.1985, but lists
numerous sources which publish specific statistics, and
other sources discussing the statistic being measured.

Katy Silberger
jwez@maristb
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:53:43 EDT
From:         "(Barb Farah,603-862-4168)" <B_FARAH@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Reference Desk Staffing

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
One of the things that it would be useful to consider when determining
reference desk staffing is what is happening on the *other* side of the
desk.  That is, how many students and faculty is each reference
librarian expected to serve?  I've found that it can vary upwards of
a factor of 10.  When you put it in terms of 1 ref librarian for
every 1500 library users, or some such figure, that puts it in
perspective for people ;)   Also some kind of stratefied sampling of
depts and how many library assignments they make is useful.  Also it
may be of interest to ask how many teaching faculty would like
instruction in online resources, internet, etc.  You might be able to
show what you can't do, but would like to if ----  Barb Farah
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Chris,

Thank you of your offer of the internet brochures. Could you upload
the file and tell us its name so we can ftp to receive it?

Sami Klein
NIST
Gaithersburg, MD
KLEIN@NBS.ENH.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:01:38 EDT
From:         kaplan@DUQ3.DUQ.EDU
Subject:      RE: LIBRARY AND REFERENCE HOURS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Sheri, Duquesne Univ. is open 	Sun, 1:00-12:00
				M-Th, 8:00-12:00
				Fri. 8:00-5:00
				Sat. 9:00-5:00
Whatever hours the library is open, there is at least one professional staffer
 (MLS or in an MLS program) at the Reference desk.  This holds true during
 finalsweek too.
				Richard Kaplan
				kaplan@duq3.duq.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:46:39 EDT
From:         "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby@gidney.OSWEGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Internet Brochures

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
As part of a library resource project I developed a self instructional
booklet for NOVICE/BEGINNERS on accessing libraries on the internet plus
FTP and databse with a mini-bibliography.  Done on WP5.1, with graphics.
Best received by disc, because of graphics but willing to try
upload/download.  If anyone is looking for something people can use by
themselves, let me know.

Chris Darby
CMDAARBY@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:58:18 EDT
From:         RNOLLAN@UTMEM1.BITNET
Subject:      Manuscript Manager

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Does anyone on the list have some information they could share about a word
processing software program called Manuscript Manager, expecially using the APA
style?  Our copy of the program isn't working and we don't have a backup.  MM
was produced by Pergamon Press, which is a Maxwell owned company.  Since
Maxwell is dead and his family business is such disarray the company is no help
to us at all.

If you know where a copy may still be available (bookstore, computer store,
etc.)  would you please let us know.  We've made every effort to contact
Pergamon to resolve this problem, but they have effectively withdrawn all
software support.

Responses should not be to the list, since they will probably not be of
interest to general subscribers.

If you e-mail please respond to me, and if you prefer snail-mail or the
telephone please contact Jane.  Thanks in advance!

Richard Nollan, Branch Librarian        Jane Bridges Mertzlufft, Librarian
Stollerman Library                      Leslie M. Stratton School of Nursing
University of Tennessee, Memphis        Methodist Hospitals of Memphis
956 Court Ave., Box 14A                 251 South Claybrook
Memphis, TN  38163                      Memphis, TN  38104
(901) 528-6051                          (901) 726-8862
RNOLLAN@UTMEM1.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:44:44 EDT
From:         "(Lee Jaffe,
              Microcomputer & Network Services)" <jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Internet Brochures

Moderators' note:  In addition to the following suggestions, the Moderators
of LIBREF-L would like to suggest that if any of our subscribers have Internet
brochures that they would be willing to send to interested parties, they post
a message to the list offering to do so.  Subscribers interested in receiving
these brochures can send a message to the individual.  This would be more
effective than posting messages from those who are interested in receiving
the brochures, as a master list of these names does not exist.

_________________________________________________________________________
Lee Jaffe's note follows:

A couple of points about the flurry of "me too" messages asking for copies
of Internet brochures/handouts.

First, there is a good list devoted to Internet training and those interested
in pursuing training tips and suggestions should join that list. (No, this
isn't a 'get out of town' type statement but a suggestion of a better source
for the questions we're seeing.  The list is NETTRAIN; to subscribe send
your request to LISTSERV@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU.

Second, sending materials out, particularly in print form to all those
"me too"s is quite a burden on anyone that has something available.  I think
that folks should try to exhaust more readily available sources first.
There are quite a few good commercial guides and a lot more other sources
available across the Internet as FTP files.

Third, for sharing work like this, it would make sense to use one of the
existing clearninghouses.  I'm not a BI person so I'm not up on the details
but there are instructional materials clearinghouses.  Are they covering
the Internet and if so maybe someone will publish an address and we can all
send our stuff to one central location that CAN handle the demand.

-- Lee Jaffe
   UC Santa Cruz
   jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:58:39 PDT
From:         "Russell N. Hathhorn, VM Systems Support" <SYSMAINT@PCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      next release of VM Mailer

With LISTSERV 1.7e going into beta - when will the next update to
VM Mailer be available (netdata support, etc)?

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:00:04 -0900
From:         Kurt Carlson <SXKAC@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      questions on mail to bitnet nodes

BITnet messages from our system are posted from MAILER@ALASKA
direct to the recipient (not any mailer defined within XMAILER NAMES)
Class=M, Name=sender_userid, Type=Mail, with appropriate
RFC822 headers.

Occassionally, users at our site foul up the recipient userid.
We've encountered several VM sites running RSCS v3 which are
sending non-delivery notifications as files back to MAILER@ALASKA
which is, needless to say, less than desirable.  My understanding
is that this is an RSCS v3 function and the original messages
never made it to their mailer as it was posted directly to the
user.

My questions:

 1.  Must we (or even just "should we")  respect XMAILER NAMES and
     post bitnet messages to the registered mailer in bsmtp packaging?

We have not done this to date for BITnet messages as we've not felt
obligated to and it is more efficient not to.  We do, of course,
package bsmtp and use DOMAIN NAMES registered mailers for gated
internet messages.

 2.  Should sites in general accept direct posts irregardless of
     a registered mailer?

We accept direct or to MAILER@ALASKA, all of which are passed through
our mailer which will bounce non-deliverables back to the recipient.

 3.  In the event of non-deliverable messages, are there any
     standards on how they should be processed?

Most sites, us and the RSCS v3 sites in questions, endeavor to process
them automatically without human intervention.

If there is some definitive CREN authorized document which answers these
questions, that would be my preference.  Lacking that, I'll listen to
whatever opinions are offered.

Kurt Carlson, University of Alaska
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          Total column ozone is measured at South Pole, Antarctica
          using a Dobson spectrophotometer.  The Dobson operates
          during the austral summer when the solar elevation is high
          enough and also is used for a few measurements during the
          winter using the sun as a source.  Unfortunately, it is not
          very useful during the time when the ozone hole is forming.
          The Dobson is owned and operated by NOAA"s Climate
          Monitoring and Diagnostic Laboritory (CMDL).

          During certain times of the year, including early spring,
          NOAA's Aeronomy Lab (Susan Solomon, PI) operates a
          ultraviolet/visible spectrometer at McMurdo which is capable
          of measuring total column ozone even though that is not its
          principle usage (OClO, NO, BrO,..).

          In principle I believe that one could retrieve total column
          ozone from the uv data being collected by the NSF owned
          spectrometer network at South Pole, McMurdo and Palmer,
          Antarctica; Ushuaia, Argentina; San Diego, CA and Pt.
          Barrow, AK.  I have the feeling that no one is actually
          analyzing the data for that particular parameter.

          Electro-chemical cell (ECC) balloon borne ozonesondes are
          flown from South Pole year-round by NOAA/CMDL, from McMurdo
          during the ozone hole season by Terry Deshler of the
          University of Wyoming, and during some years from Palmer by
          Arnold Torres of NASA's Wallops Flight Facility.  These
          instruments measure the verticle profile of the ozone.

          Robert deZafra of SUNY Stony Brook sometimes operates a
          microwave spectrometer from McMurdo which gives an
          indication of the ozone profile.  It is planned to operate
          this instrument from South Pole throughout  1993.  As is th
          case with the uv/vis spectrometer, this instrument is
          operated for other reasons (ClO, N2O,....).

          There are Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometers (TOMS)
          instruments operated on several satellites by NASA Goddard
          Space Flight Center (Arlin Krueger, PI).  These instruments
          produce a map of total column ozone each day for the entire
          sunlit portion of the Earth.  The recently launched URAS
          provides more detailed information including measurement of
          reactants like ClO.

          John Lynch
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TO:     * Tansin A. Darcos & Company / MCI ID: 506-6432
Subject:  RE: Metric system

Paul:
 Fidonet bounced me -- probably just too complicated for me to type!
 Anyhow, YOU asked, so YOU can try to get the info to your friend.

Per IEEE Std 268-1975, going UP for one in powers of 10**3 [NOT 1024]:

  kilo, mega, giga, tera, peta, exa  (10**18) with Symbols --
   k     M     G     T     P     E     (only "k" is lower case)

Going DOWN likewise:

  milli, micro, nano, pico, femto, atto (10**-18)
    m     [mu]   n     p     f      a    (all lower case -- [mu] is the
                                          Greek letter)

  deka (10), hecto (100), deci (0.1), and centi (0.01) "should be avoided"
   da          h           d                c
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              92 3:06 am

Hello:

I am having problems signing off this list.  Sorry for sending this
to everyone.  My new address is jdonahue@essential.org and I signed
on to this list under the address below.  Please sign me off.
Thanks.
--
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:50:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Trocki" <CTROCKI@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Response on ET

Erwin,
        The comments that you make regarding Indonesian and Antara
reports about East Timor are enlightening, but they are no evidence of
anything other than "somebody said".  They are hardly scientific or
even authoritative indications of the true situation on EAst Timor.
        The facts that you keep ignoring is that Indonesian occupaton
of the former Portuguese territory is illegal and is not recognized by
most of the civilized countries of the world.  Secondly, that
Indonesian occupation of the territory has been characterized by
brutality, murder, torture and every other type of human rights
violation.  You said there have been casualties on both sides.
Perhaps some Indonesian soldiers have been hurt or killed.  But far
more Timorese have been butchered by the ABRI.  Many more Timorese
have been starved or died because of the economic catastrophe that
Indonesian rule has brought to the Timorese people.  Thirdly, you
ignore the fact that there has never been a free election among the
Timorese people to show what type of political affiliation they
prefer.  The only justification that I have seen on this net about the
Indonesian invasion was that someone said their was a "rumor" that
there were communists in East Timor.  Sorry, nobody buys that one, nor
do they buy the propaganda of the Indonesian government.  You should
be wary of invoking Noam Chomsky's name to defend your comments.
Chomsky has been one of the most prominent and effective criticism of
Indonesia's policy in East Timor.  Finally, if Indonesia is such a
poor country, why is it wasting its money and its army in a place like
E. Timor?  It is irrational and foolish.  I think that it has become
Indonesia's Vietnam.  People say that Indonesia needs to save its face
and be gently convinced to change its policy in E. Timor.  I don't
agree.  The policy is imperialistic and murderous.  If the government
is proud of what they are doing in E. Timor, then why don't they allow
people from outside to come in?  What are they trying to hide?
        You keep talking about native Americans.  No one here is
defending the treatment they have received since Columbus landed here.
But, don't forget, this net is not about native Americans, it is about
Southeast Asia.  So, excuse us if we talk about Southeast Asia.
Besides, no one is forbidding native Americans to speak for
themselves, but can Timorese speak for themselves in Indonesia?  No,
they can't.  Until their voices are heard freely, we not only have a
right but a duty to allow their voices to be heard here. I am sorry if
you do not like that, but perhaps you or perhaps many of the
Indonesian students here will learn something.  That's what students
are supposed to do, isn't it?  Learn.
                                Carl Trocki
From: djoko@RAINBOW.PHYSICS.UTORONTO.CA (Djoko Wirosoetisno)
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Date: 9 Oct 92 22:55:03 GMT
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> Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:57:09 EDT
> From: "(Erwin Brisbanuharto)" <ebrisban@CS.MTU.EDU>
> Subject:      Re:  Response on ET

> Dear Mr. Max Becherer,

> Again, I thank you for your interest in Indonesia. And thank you for
> letting us know about the problem. We've known it before, like I told
> you before.                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[ ... stuff deleted ]

   But Erwin, it seems to me that most people who argue for the current
Indonesian government's policy do _not_ know the problem. I certainly
was not aware of the problem while I was in Indonesia [ I wonder
why ... :-) ], and I think most Indonesians were once in the same
position. Unfortunately, some of our fellows still refuse to acknowledge
this problem --- and you can't solve a problem by denying that it exists.

   I could not agree more with you on the fact that the native North
American people have been treated _very_ badly ever since the arrival
of Columbus. Even today, five hundred years after the beginning of the
`Dark Ages' of North American natives, the governments and the majority
of the people who like to claim that they're the most civilized and
democratic nations on earth would not admit that their forefathers have
commited many terrible acts against the indigeneous people and start
doing something about this injustice. Many people that I know however,
are perfectly aware about this and are fighting hard by lobbying the
government and informing others.

> Let's do that. Let's make the lifes of the people better.

   Yes, let's just do that.

> But don't tell me how to do that.

   I don't think Max and others were telling you what to do or how
[ correct me if I'm wrong ], they just want to make others aware of
what's happening in Timor Timur [ East Timor ] and to put pressure
on Indonesian government to end its occupation.

> Just show me how to do that by solving your own problems.
> That way we don't need to hurt each other.

   In the current `democracy' (whatever the word means) of US and
Canada, a few people cannot solve the big (native) problem without
the support of the majority (who seems not to care about it).
But at least we (I would include myself, who happens to be Indonesian)
can work towards a better solution for all --- that is the important
part. We just have to identify the problems and start working.

Djoko
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