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From: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Rights in cyberspace
Keywords: Freedom information cyberpunk
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:30:45 GMT
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC

tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>	Finally, as Bruce Sterling just pointed out in a speech to the
>American Library Association's meeting in San Francisco about a month ago,
>information is not a commodity, no matter who wants you to believe it is.
>*Sometimes* it can acquire commodity status, but in general it does not 
>have it.  For instance, I lose nothing by transferring information about
>these ideas to you.  

You lose ownership of the ideas. If you can sell something and still keep a 
copy that doesn't mean that control of that thing isn't saleable. A farmer
can sell as much corn as he likes and still have plenty left. In the same
way you can sell your ideas and still have a copy of them. What's more, 
by withholding a crucial piece of information (a skill, a password, ...)
you can rent your ideas out, too.

However it is likely that as reality slides into virtuality the
relative values of commodities will alter drastically. If everyone can
have a townhouse on the south of france then the only way to maintain
the prices of townhouses on the south of france is through fierce
capitalism.

The question then is whether capitalism is a sensible way to run a
world of virtually limitless resources. I'd say that it is not, but
then I've never understood why, if there is a food mountain in europe
and a million people starving in africa, the food should not be given
to the people. I understand the financial aspects of the situation, but
it seems to me that finance should serve the purposes of intention, and
no one civilized can intend for millions to starve. I may be naive, but
I feel that capitalism does not serve well when there are large
imbalances in supply and demand.

When uploading becomes available it will still be more expensive to
upload those starving millions than to feed them. The nanotech required
to produce food will be much more easily acheived than the nanotech
required to house minds. However I can see no reason why the starving
millions should not be uploaded and live as well as anyone else.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: moebius@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at (The Famous HyperMedia Group)
Subject: mailorder WANTED
Reply-To: moebius@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at (The Famous HyperMedia Group)
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:15:34 GMT


Hi there,

I`m looking for a bookstore, that 

* accepts VISA card
* is in the states
* accepts mail orders from/to austria (mountains, no kanguroos!)
* has lots of SF/weired stuff/Fantasy available
* is on internet (for ordering) (this is OPTIONAL, but I would love it )

Please help me, because information of that kind of shops (well, on any kind of  
shops in the states) is really rare on this side of the big ocean. Please email  
answers to me, I am willing to post a summary (if it is wanted...)

Thanx in advance,

Andreas

moebius@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at
andreas@hard_soft.co.at
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Marc Stephens <marc.r.stephens@um.cc.umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Books
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 08:21:57 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b1

I just finished _Snow Crash_ by Neal Stephenson. I would _highly_
recommend this book to anyone who truly loves CyberPunk.
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From: tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.)
Subject: Re: present  state of technology
Summary: the future state of the braindead (e.g. me)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Nintendo, Virtual Reality
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:23:00 GMT

Anthony Chan writes:
> Also, where are trends in this industry going as far as the future is
> concerned.

if we knew that then we'd be millionaires =]
of course if anyone has an idea then i'd be happy to know too

In article <d!_nfwd.mesm@netcom.com>, mesm@netcom.com
Mary E. S. Morris writes...

>Have you tried Virtual Reality by Howard Rheingold? Also, there
>is a Virtual Reality forum on Compuserve.

  yes also try ftping to milton.u.washington.edu     /public/virtual-worlds/
  (it's cheaper - for me anyway)
  maybe telnet to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu and IRC
  (the horror - somehow i keep thinking 976-CHAT...)

  speaking of v-r has anyone seen the graphics speed on Wolf3D?  all that
and shareware too!  makes me regret buying a Mac iici, but that was two
years ago... we are all entitled to mistakes.

>My only complaint about virtual reality, is that Nintendo made
>the power glove, and no one has hooked it up to a PC or Mac or
>something common for the masses to experiment with.

   are you crazy mary?  i thought Nintendo IS the masses =]

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this is my .sig, deal with it.

          -terrychay
                 TYCHAY@CITJULIE.BITNET
                 tychay@juliet.caltech.edu
--------

  i really need $20,000 badly- its for a good cause- myself.
From: system@korova.uucp (razorback)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: a book (w0w)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 10:30:51 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783


i recently read a book called (yep, you got it!) 
                lethal interface

(shaking head with bemusement)

its mostly a cops-n-robbers pulp with cybertech thrown in to make it 
"sci-fi"

it has cyberspace, constructs, biochips, etc etc etc.

and it presents only two interesting points.

(they may or may not be original, but that would be because i dont really 
read a whole lot of cyberbooks)

1) that there are people who can see in cyberspace, but some people also 
"see" with hearing, and smells ONLY.

and also the idea that your subconscious can program the constructs as 
well as your conscious.

freud would have a feild day with that.

squid

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Books
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:03:36 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <12AUG199219252113@juliet.caltech.edu> tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.) writes:
>I really don't think its a bad idea.  that's all.

OK, what would be the most available form for distributing a mixed
text-graphic and perhaps sound-movie newsletter?

I know neural-net researchers use PostScript at their ftp site for
sending out pre-prints of journal papers.  However, PS doesn't appear
to be the most efficient medium of transporting and viewing information,
although it makes it easy to print it out on paper (yuck!).

However, I think it's safe to say almost everyone has access to either
a Post-Script printer or previewer, so we shouldn't trash the idea.

What about desktop publishing programs?  Is there a package which
can be used on both PC and Macs (i.e. two programs, but can exchange
files)?

Any other bright ideas or seconds?

-Thomas
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Ender's Game
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:54:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug16.032820.17051@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <nh7ma!+.tmaddox@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>>
>>	But the larger truth is that I don't like him, his politics, his social
>>attitudes, his critical positions, or his work.  
>>
>>	Or his haircut.
>
> What exactly about Card do you dislike? 

	Try this:  start with "the larger truth is that I don't like" and
continue from there.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Books
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:34:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.192951.17429@microsoft.com> petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:
>As far as you wearing LEDs, you have every right to and I'll support that,
>but as to you're reason?  Why do you GOT TO.  Who's making you.  If you want
>an expression of technology, well, LED's are a nice expression of ancient
>technology, but nearly every household in the US has a modern expression
>of technology.

Indeed, you are 100% correct.  OK, time to move up to new technology...
instead of LEDs, I'll have to move up to visible laser diodes.
Will require a little heat sink, but doable, although at $100 / pop
I'm not sure if I can actually _afford_ it.  LED's are so throwawayable.
Like VT100 terminals...

-Thomas


From: Adrian.Scott@p2.f158.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Adrian Scott)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: So exactly what is this group about?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:33:02 +1000

To: frank@i1.msi.umn.edu (Loren Frank)

LF>Hello. As you probably guessed from the title, I am new to this
LF>group, and
LF>I was curious to know exactly what this group discusses. (I read
LF>a number of
LF>articles but deriving some consistent theme was beyond me....)

Well is supposed to be based on the Role playing game "CyberPunk" I think, or
the Deep dark future? I would like this question answered too.. teheh cya

Adrian 
 

 * Origin: -/\-: RAVENLOFT - RPG DEDICATED BBS :-/\- (3:633/158.2)
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From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: present  state of technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 01:21:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Anthony Chan) writes:
: Also, where are trends in this industry going as far as the future is 
: concerned. 
: If anyone can provide some info or sources of info, could you also please 
: include your own ideas as to where this technology is going.
: I would be most grateful.
: 

Have you tried Virtual Reality by Howard Rheingold? Also, there
is a Virtual Reality forum on Compuserve.

My only complaint about virtual reality, is that Nintendo made
the power glove, and no one has hooked it up to a PC or Mac or
something common for the masses to experiment with.

--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: U2
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:45:56 PST
Organization: BBS

n article <1992Aug20.192816.14865@u.washington.edu>,
lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. O'Brien) writes:
>You know, now that you mention it, I do think U2 is cyber punk, and will be
isnt
>umental in commercializing CP.  For that matter, I think Led Zeppelin was
perhap
>s the first "true" cyber punk band.  What do you think?
>
>-- 
>_______________________________________________________________________

I think that U2 plays very good music, I however feel they are NOT CP, which is
of course the CP vs non-CP BS, but I feel like they are much to mellow.

Im not sure any type of music is going to make people do undergroundish things,
thye might start hanging around people who do them, but most U2 listeners are
pretty "average" as any other band.  I do beleive the majority
of F242, Ministry, FrntAsm, industrial, euro-punk sterio-typical people
would be more into the CP way of life.  But this is just the stereo-type, in
my case it happens to be true.

 bliss

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: Wilson.M.Clements@dartmouth.edu (Wilson M. Clements)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: What?
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:14:56 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Two words.  Really bad.
Later
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: langjj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jericha J. Lang)
Subject: ADMIN: Sorry 'bout the trouble!
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 00:57:07 GMT

such. Second, it won't let me mail more than 30 lines or so. Third, I'm tired. Fourth....oh, anyway, I apologize to all you who mailed me for Keith's stuff, I  
won't be able to get it out to you. If any of you can think of something, please let me know.......
 
Love,
Jericha
(FTP? Did someone say FTP? Hell yes, I *can* do that!)
From: Shadowmar@cup.portal.com (Paul Joseph Furio)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Digital Storm Mailing List Update...
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 17:14:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

	Thanks to everyone who asked to be on this mailing list.  It is
extremely encouraging to have this many fans. :)  I'm writing this to say,
yes, I know I haven't mailed anything yet.  And it's stilol goinbg
least a week.  I am about to pack up my computer for my first Semester at
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute so I won't be able to send anything for a
while.  But once there, I should have a decent functional mailing list up
in no time.   Again thanks for your mail.  And yes, I will re-send the first
couple of chapters once the list is up.
	Paul J. Furio
PS: sorry about thge typos.  I stabbed my finger with a needle today.
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: 3 of a perfect pair.
Summary: Can anyone email them please?
Keywords: missing parts 14,15
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 00:37:45 NZT
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS

I'm missing parts 14 and 15 of 3 of a perfect pair.
Is there any chance of reposting them at all?
Alternnatively, would someone please email them to me?


dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
From: clements@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Admin: UN Patrol interruption of service...
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:37:39 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

The electronic notice borad in the Chat' hazed over as yet another hacker broke
through the low level ICE and posted another message.

"The management is afraid to announce that Boswell is going walkabout. He's
leaving the UK and his nice Internet server to travel to the USA and visit the
Worldcon. This means contact with him and new installments for the UN Patrol
may be a bit interrupted. He may have some internet access on his travels but
this is not assured.

"This situation will last about 1 month.

"Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible. Have a nice day!"

As usual nobody took a bline bit of notice of the display.


				##########

Sorry folks, but there may be a delay in new Boswell and The Opposition
installments. The other members of the team can use Boswell, but don't do
anything permanant to him or his background. He'll probably be a bit hazy for a
while while he works out how to deal with space...


Se you in Orlando!

-- 
================================================================================
Dave Clements, Oxford University Astrophysics Department
================================================================================
clements @ uk.ac.ox.vax			|  Umberto Eco is the *real* Comte de
dlc      @ uk.ac.ox.astro		|           Saint Germain...
================================================================================
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From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt)
Subject: Mr. Johnson seeks "The Hand"
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:13:58 GMT

Permit me to introduce myself, I am Mr. Johnson. A Fixer I know called "The
Computer God" set me up for this meet on the Matrix. 

There is a decker on the West Coast who goes by the street name "The Hand".
He is known to frequent the domestic nets, such as America On Line. If you
know where The Hand can be contacted, have him contact my Fixer at the
Internet address above. Only direct contact to that node will be responded
to.

Watch out for the ICE.
From: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Three of a Perfect Pair - Need 1,2,3
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:26:00 GMT
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Because the message retention period on the server I have access to is so
short, I missed parts 1,2 and 3 of "Three of a Perfect Pair".  Could someone
please email them to me?  Thanks.

+--------+-------------------------------------------------------------+
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| C=  ///| Voice -     301/286-4246, 301725-5501                       |
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| \XX/   | Disclaimer: Statements in my messages are wholely my own.   |
| AMIGA  | "[the universe originated] as a quantum fluctuation         |
| RULES! |  of absolutely nothing." - Guth & Steinhardt                |    
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From: dwilliam@wookie.ess.harris.com (David Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Did someone say servos?
Keywords: TW again
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:39:37 GMT
Organization: Harris Information Systems Division, Melbourne, FL

*----  Anybody remember *this* character?

   Typical night in the Chatsubo, except for the large *thing* that
the girl Sib got out of sitting in back, causing lotsa eyebrow raising.

   The door swings open, revealing yet another decker-type.  You know
the one: jack shining out from just behind the temple, hair shaved
around it, shoulder-length elsewhere.  He's dressed in a long black
coat, looks like it's made of real wool.  Salvation Army stuff from
back when.  He saunters up to the bar and unloads the deck from his
shoulder strap.

"Evening, Ratz, lemme have a Red, please, if you got any left."

Ratz double-takes for a second.  "T.W.?  That you?"

"Yep, been kinda busy for the last year or so.  Joe still working?"

Ratz glances at the stage, where Danny and Floyd are watching the
new musician strut his stuff.  "Yeah, he's still in there, right
along with BlackJack's old gear."  He digs around in the cooler
for a bit "Ah! here we are.  One Killian's Red."

T.W. examines the bottle carefully.  "You sure this is the real thing?
I got some junk that was from california a few months back.  Nasty brew."
He takes a sip "Never mind. this is the good stuff..."

Ratz gestures at the stage "Umm, you never told me how you got that thing
working, you know - an AI-driven holo projector for music and defense?"

TW winks "Hey, Joe's a secrent - just like BlackJack's stuff you might 
say..."  Looking out of the corner his eye, TW spots a big form in the
back of the bar.  "Ratz, is there any reason a battlemech is sitting 
back there? "

   Two stools over, a tech is examining some equipment spread out on
the bar, while a girl watches him over his shoulder...

-----

   Well, there you have it.  TW's back from whereever he's been for
   ages.  Technical note:  Joe is the little grey box amongst BlackJack's
   gear that makes Danny and Floyd visible.  Last time we saw TW, he had
   just loaned Joe to BlackJack for awhile.  I dunno where he's been since
   then, any ideas?


      Dave Williams                                              My 
        dwilliam@jabba.ess.harris.com                         opinions	 
           "Huh?  What?  Could you repeat the question?"        only.  

-- 
      Dave Williams                                              My 
        dwilliam@jabba.ess.harris.com                         opinions	 
           "Huh?  What?  Could you repeat the question?"        only.  
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From: moon!cyberden!impmat@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: whatever
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:57:42 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

As Case entered the Chat he sensed rather than saw a small figure brush 
past him and dissapear into the crowded street.  Something about the 
calmness and grace of the figure linger in his mind as he made a space 
for himself at the bar.  One of Lonny Zone's girls giggled as he fumbled 
in his pocket for some crumpled bills.  The wine of Ratz's prosthetic arm 
was barely audible above the chatter as he wiped the bar with a filthy 
rag.
"Artiste..someone here looking for you..someone want a hole in your head 
artiste?"
"Gimme a beer Ratz" said Case as he pulled out a shotgun and blew Lonny's 
whore into a million parts.
Just kidding folks.

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!impmat@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: langjj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jericha J. Lang)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Mitochondria.001
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


 First attempt, guys, and I'm throwing it at the screen as is so I don't have time to chicken out. I'd appreciate any sort of feedback, (Ya know, "Good job!" "That *sucked*!" or "GET THE HELL OFF MY SCREEN!" or something) but I need to explain something first. The account from which this is posted is not mine [Quiet down, this is a.c.c. not alt.hackers] and the young lady who it does belong to is graciously posting this for me; it may take a *little* while before you get a response from me in e-mail. It ha




s
 to trickle down through her before it hits me. Or maybe I should just visit her more often....she is rather cute. (C'mon Jericha, I know you're not going to delete that. You *are* cute!)
 
 Anyway, just send those replies cuz here is....
 
 
Mitochondria
____________________________________________________________
 A stone wall exactly 1.15 meters tall .3 thick, built from that rough, gray rocks indigenous to any place in the continental U.S., rested securely in the heart of a jungle. A small jungle, but a jungle nonetheless. Broad, green leaves provided a natural canopy to shade it's head and a thick layer of humus made a springy carpet at it's feet. The place had that jungle sort of smell, too; the heavy smell of decaying leaves and rotting plants held in by the living roof and the indescribable, but undeniably re




a
l, smell of water hanging in the air.
 The stone wall sat there quietly, ignoring the fact that natives don't build rock walls out in the middle of nowhere for no particular reason. The sunlight trickled down to it through a maze of living arms spread towards life giving light, but the wall, resolute as only a wall can be, calmly overlooked the enigma of it's existence.
 Perched awkwardly on the stubborn stones was another enigma; this one was only 1.71 meters tall and massed a mere 70 kilograms though, but it was still an enigma. He was dressed in a close fitting lab jumper minus the protective helmet and gloves. What little skin was exposed contrasted vividly with the stark white suit. If it weren't for a face with definite European ancestry, he could have been a native of that particular mini-rain forest.
 He was crouched on the wall, arms around his legs, chest pressing against his knees. The winds sliding through the thick vines set him swaying dangerously, but he maintained the same blank look; drugged, dead, or crazy, but definitely empty.
 
<<Inside>> A single, enormous screen covering an entire wall. A part of him nagged that it was more likely a set of smaller monitors sporting ultra-thin borders and a signal splitter, but the effect was the same. It was currently covered with two and a half meters columns made up of three letter groups. Almost a hypnotic pattern with an almost there pattern and an almost there meaning.
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Mitochondria
From: langjj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jericha J. Lang)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:25:42 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


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