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From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:25:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.203940.7622@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>	A rational person will never come to the conclusion that the
>Malaysian government is the one engaging in propaganda because the
>government's voice is almost unheard of in this part of the world.
>Because of this, the scurrilous attacks on our government's policies
>regarding logging has gone on unabated.  In a way, the western people
>have heard only one side of the story -- a trumped up story to hide
>their own governments' mistakes WRT global warming.  One would assume
>that a Malaysian citizen will stand up and defend his/her country
>given that the Malaysian government can't defend herself in a foreign
>country.  But what we are seeing here is almost a parrot-like attitude
>from these people(Malaysian citizens), who instead of defending the
>country for its rights to log on its own soil, decided to stab the
>government on the back by agreeing with these baseless accusations.
>What irks me the most is that some of these people are ignorant about
>the facts, but for whatever reasons, believe that it is their
>god-given rights to criticize the Malaysian government if the western
>world happens to criticize a thing or two about Malaysian policies.
>
>	I am a better person now.  I can see clearly how some people
>are borned with "Anti-Government" gens and will bend over backwards to
>criticize the Malaysian government no matter what!  
>

	It can also be clearly seen that some people are willing to defend the  	country's policies without giving regard to the fact that there are 
	people out there who won't necessarilly agree with every single one of   	those policies.  Being a democratic country, with the govt. elected by   	the people, the govt. has to tolerate the fact that there will always   	be criticism of one sort or the other by the people.  Not every govt.
	is perfect.  A good govt. will take heed of these criticisms and    
	evaluate them for future purposes bearing in mind that it is for the    	good of the people.  In other words, have an open mind.  Everything is  	not comprised of a one-way street.  It'll definitely do the govt. and 
	a lot of people good to see things from a different perspective once in 	a while.  My two cents worth... 

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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:57:00 GMT

In article <9204131043.AA10681@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>
LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley) writes: 

>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
...                                                         ^^^^^^^

	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 02:37:24 EDT
From: <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: subang update

just an update on the fire at subang airport. 3 people were killed when
the east side  the main terminal(terminal 1) caught fire. the airport is
back to normal now. btw this is not an official release. just a newsbrief
from a call back home.

-firdaus azharuddin-
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Subject: Re: degree recognition (m'sia)
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:59:33 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr11.014432.38787@ssf-corp.dhl.com> looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi) writes:
>
>Can someone please explain why diplomas/degrees from TAR Collge,
>Singapore and Taiwan are not being recognized by the M'sian
>government? What are the rationals behind it? [Correct me if
>I'm wrong. That's what I learned while I was still in M'sia]

The rational I heard from JPA is that the graduates from these
places would not get to work in a govt department anyway, so 
why recognise the degrees?

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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.032908.8818@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>>	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
>>because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
>>this earth.

>I wonder what would the Jews think of Mr Zam? I hope that you are not
>condoning to what Hitler did....but boy, you sure sound as if you
>do.....

	I never condone what Hitler did to the Jews.  I was just
making a point that a scum like you would be better off not living in
Malaysia.  You just clutter up the much-needed space for someone
else...

>What might we have here? Another Hitler perhaps?

>>===------ 
>>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 (maybe a Nazi)

>tabk2@isuvax.bitnet (definitely a Nazi)

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
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From: chong@juliet.caltech.edu (Chong, Francis F. S.)
Subject: Re: Zam sinks to new depths
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.233808.1774@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes...
>	Fucking dumbass hypocrite. You come out telling me I shouldn't
>do something, and then turn around and do the same thing yourself.  I
>should leave you alone in a room and watch you chase yourself to
>death...

	Tsk, tsk....when are you ever going to get your logic train in
gear? Oh, you do realize that this is a rhetorical question, don't you?
I used no obscenities, nor did I specifically tell you to stop using them;
they are, after all, so..oooo colorful! I do admit (there! you caught me!)
that it is implied that you should desist.
	Unless....no...could it be? Tell me it ain't so!
	Could it be that NorAazizam has become so entangled in his 
excellent and noble vocabulary that he can no longer understand the 
words of "stoopid" people like myself? God forbid! Can it be that he
actually believes that ordinary English is obscene? Could this 
possibly be why he insists on using obscenities? Poor NorAazizam, lost in
a fog of delusions.....
	Leave me alone? And remove yourself as a minor source of 
entertainment? Rather than me chasing myself to death, it may be more
correct to describe you as running around in circles and getting nowhere
fast except down, way, way down.

>	You and your ilks are like dogs and slimy pigs.  I don't mind
>reading gross misrepresentation of facts on anything non-Malay by some
>of you animals, but when you start spewing mindless hatred towards me,
>then I have no other recourse but to do the same to you too.

	Of course you can't possibly mind reading gross errors of facts.
Otherwise, how could you bear to read what you post :) ? As for the spewing
of mindless hatred, I must perforce yield that distinction to you. Aren't
you happy that you have distinguished yourself? Actually, "extinguished"
is probably the better word, but never mind...
	You have no recourse? How sad.....sigh....all that money spent on
your "education" and you have no recourse other than Illogic and Racism and
Obscenities? Ah, NorAazizam MohdAasif, you have just revealed the extent
of your handicap in the area of expressing yourself in a logical, reasonable
and refined manner. Forgive me, but how could I have know that you were so
limited in your abilities concerning thinking and debating?

>	One more thing: I would have preferred a reasoned debate, but
>when you run with dogs, you get fleas, ya know?
> 
>ps: Your father shouldn't have married a sheep.

	Being the target of your puerile and pitiable attempt at the 
art of insult is an honor! Thank you.
	Targeting my parents is totally irrelevant. But that's okay 
since I realize the extent of your handicap.
	Try harder, NorAazizam MohdAasif. My achive is growing.

Francis Chong
Caltech
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From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Singapore Babies and NS (reply to Roach)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 18:16:51 GMT


Roach's articles are quite filled with contradictions.  What does he want and
what is he advocating?  Does he intend to turn S'pore into a military state,
where every citizen, be it be guy or gal, puts on the SAF No.4 uniform and is
armed with M16?  Is his view of S'pore's military power that of offence rather
than deterence and defence?  If so, then I would be inclined to believe that
Roach intends to make S'pore into a Spartan society where everyone can be
called up, together with his favorite AWACS and F16s, for the conquest of
SE Asia!  If this is not his intention, then why his insistence that S'pore's
military is offensive, and why, in articles, he also insist on NS for women?
It cannot be for just physical and mental training, as he said this in reply
to Jocelyn :

In article <1992Apr4.221857.24467@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.e
du (---roach---) writes:
>
>>........ There are guys serving as clerks and other non-physical
>>vocations. So, it's not right to say that all women or all men ought to
>>go through physical training. ......
>>
>i didn't say all sexes to go thru phsical training.
>i said male & female must go thru same military training.
>so the females get bunched in with the wimps, but that
>doesn't mean they can't be taught to fight a hi-tech war.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>when do u think singapore need women for military posts?
>when it is already overrun???  recruit them now, of course.

Yes, so that's your main reason on insisting on NS for women, so that they can
be taught to fight a war, be it conventional or electronic.  Not to make them in
to more matured citizens, but
that  they can be useful for war!  It is consistent with Roach's idea of a
militant state.

However, S'pore does not need to do this for her security.  Without women,
S'pore has enough personnels and reservists to protect her.  No matter how
Westernized Roach thinks S'pore has become, we must still strive to preserve
our basically Asian values, which include, among other things, that women need
not undergo such mentally or physically rigorous activities like NS.  Call me
a sexist or what, but it still makes sense to recognise the basic differences
in the sexes, and that there are things in which one can do better than the
other.  The state must recognise this sex difference in regard to doing NS, and
it
makes little sense to militarise an entire female population.  Individual
women, if they feel they can match the physical and mental rigor of NS, can
opt to do it; but as to  mass call-up for women, that will amount to an
unnecessarily high-level of militarizing the state.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yong Wee Dennis Lee			       	yongwee@leland.stanford.edu
Stanford University				(415)497-6278
PO Box 13707, Stanford, CA 94309
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From: pehng@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Peh Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....attn: NorAzizam
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:07:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr14.232831.1225@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.153224.54466@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>
>>>>zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>>>
>>
>
>>> Eat shit you self-appointed wannabe know-nothing ass-licking
>>> dick-breath  cocksucking net-cop motherfucker...
>>> 
>>	Just when you think it is safe to read the net, here comes
>>more unprintables from the always eloquent ZAM.  You know, when all of us
>>encourage you to step out of MIT to explore Boston, we really don't mean 
>>to urge you to visit the "Combat Zone".  Judging from the improvment of
>>your vocabulary, I can see that you've been there more often than we 
>>thought.
>
>	Get lost, you anal-retentive idiot.  
>
>
>	
>	Your overwhelming stupidity amazes me.  I thought I have seen
>just about everything, but you top yourself everytime you open your
>mouth.  Please engage your brain for future activities.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Zam,

 Don't you think you should practise what you preach? i.e. use your 
 brain  plus a little discretion in whatever you write?? 


 Peh...
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From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Zam Threatened In Kelantan!!!
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.191015.15764@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <s3cseINNrbh@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
>>
>>From: AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR)
>>
>>Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
>>expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???
>>
>>Cutting of the tongue?? Castration??
>
>	You'll have to excuse Mr. Anonymous here. He has a rather
>nasty sexual dysfunction (which he likes to deny) that prevents him
>from ever fathering children, and he wants everyone to be just like
>him.

Making such allegation about a person who has a sexual dysfunction is really
funny. Think about it, don't take it for grated that this Mr Anonymous may be
a Ms Anonymous. Possible, right? ahhh, Mr Broad-"Zam"-minded.....


So, what is the punishment? I think i've asked you this before, care to answer?

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
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Subject: MIT weenies
Date: 7 Apr 1992 04:48:02 GMT
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From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor
        As I indicated in previous posts, try to step out of Ivy League, and
look around you.  Observe the tolerance and friendliness of Americans.

Jack Teh


And Zam is not even from the Ivy League....he's just an MIT weenie.

:-)

Facetiously,

Su-Lyn

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Su-Lyn Seah '94 K'91
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From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Crossing the line (an edited repost)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 04:17:14 GMT

This article is almost similar to my previous posting which I had
cancelled due to some crass remarks which I guess was
uncalled for.

In article <1992Apr8.195609.22629@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aaziza
m Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>       It is within his [Sultan of Kelantan] rights to refuse to pay
>for the import duty
>because his application to the Kelantanese state government was
>approved before he bought the car.  Also, the only reason why the
>federal government did not approve his application is because the
>Sultan of Kelantan has been accused of siding with the opposition
>during the last General Election. In addition to this, he is not the
>only royalty with an excellent collection of luxury cars; just about
>every other royalty in Malaysia plays this game.  Look at England for
>instance: do you think the Queen used her money to alleviate the
>suffering of some of her subjects, when all this time she was the
>richest woman in the world?
>

I hate to rap on you since you've probably got your hands full by now,
but Sultans are indeed allowed having luxury cars. I believe, the newspaper
article had stated that every Sultan is allowed to have 7 luxury cars and
unfortunately, your friend, the Sultan, stepped beyond that quota by
ordering an eigth.

As far as siding the opposition, it is not the government who is acting
childish (as the opposition is so fond of pointing out) instead, it is
the opposition who attempt to tie every single goddamn accusation by
the government with the fact that it's just because they're the
opposition.

I have no comments on HRM Queen Elizabeth save for the fact that the Brits
should be lucky that they have one instead of nine.

>       What the Royalty does with his/her money is none of our
>business.
>

True, I agree entirely.

When they step beyond the law despite all the previleges that
they and their relatives have received however, should be every Malaysian's
concern.

Thank God we've got Dr M who has enough guts to comment on their actions
instead of sucking up to them for Datukship or anything else.

>===------
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

-Rezal

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tansm@moe.gov.sg
Subject: More replies (long...)
Organization: Ministry of Education
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:12:05 GMT

Chee Keong Ng writes:

> A graduate of National University of Singapore, 1986

That makes you a very rich man or else your mum or dad must be very rich.
Else how on earth can you be studying in the US when you are suppose to
server your 3 years bond in Singapore?  Am I missing something here. 
If my assumption is correct, you must have put up close to S$200K to have
your bond defered.  You must be a rich guy then and should I then 
conclude that your IQ wasn't that high either? 

Just a thought and we remember you. Have you fill up your PIPS form yet?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 23:00:31 EDT
From: <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The ecosystem and the malays
Distribution: usa
 <1992Apr11.190747.6881@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <1992Apr11.213331.25105@unlinfo.unl.edu>

netters,
i am not trying to put the blame on some other party but i do believe that
the logging problem in malaysia can be solved by the buyers of the lumber
itself.
the western countries and some advanced asian countries are the major buyers
of our lumber but they  are the same people who are condeming malaysia for
cutting down our rain forest. sure we have to be protective of our forests
and we should monitor our logging. i totally agree with that. but when the
demand is outrageous, can we blame the gov. for taking the opportunity to
make a fast buck.

the advanced countries should try to curb their demand for lumber. it is all
basic micreconomics. countries like japan who buys a lot of our lumber still
refuse to use plastic chopsticks and continue to use wood. even thailand is
buying our lumber now.

organizations such as GATT or G7 should do something if they want to preserve
'our' forest. we sure won't. we need the income.

one of malaysia major errors is that we just continue to sell our raw materials
without really trying to produce them into finished/semi finished products. as
an example is our tin industry. now that tin has been declared as a sunset
industry, tin is just a part of malaysia history. just like that.sure, we've
produced products from rubber such as tires but how about palm oil and coconut
oil?

currently malaysia has made the right move by building more refineris and LNG
plants. if we just sell crude oil, the profit is less and we'd be broke when
we have no more oil-which some people predict in less than 100 years. we are
the very few that are buying tankers for our own use instead of leasing. all
these assets can be put to use even after we have depleted our reserves.

-firdaus azharuddin-
petronas maju jaya....
kebanggaan negara kita....
come on sing with me.

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