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From: debbied@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Debbie Devore)
Subject: LAN Workplace for DOS
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:36:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Natural Resources, Colo. State Univ.

I am trying to install LAN Workplace for DOS on a workstation that contains
two 3C503 network cards.  The first 3C503 card is connected to a Novell 3.11
server.  The second 3C503 card is connected to a TCP/IP backbone.  Everything
seems to boot up ok, but when I try using the PING command to reach other
nodes on the TCP/IP network, I receive the 'no response' message.

The following lists my NET.CFG, AUTOEXEC.BAT, and CONFIG.SYS files, as well
as, my network layout.

NET.CFG

Link Support
	Buffers 8 1586
	MemPool 4096

Protocol TCPIP
	Bind		3C503
	ip_address	129.82.105.146
	ip_router	129.82.105.1
	ip_netmask	255.255.255.0
	tcp_sockets	8
	udp_sockets	8
	raw_sockets	1
	nb_sessions	4
	nb_commands	8
	nb_adapter	0
	nb_domain

Link Driver 3C503
	INT  #1 5
        INT  #2 2
        MEM  #2 CC000
	PORT #1 300
	PORT #2 350
	Frame Ethernet_II
	Frame Ethernet_802.3
	Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II
	Protocol TCPIP 0 Ethernet_802.3


==========================================================================

CONFIG.SYS

DEVICE=C:\BOOT\SETVER.EXE
STACKS=9,256
SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /E:2048 /P
FILES=60
BUFFERS=30
DEVICE=C:\WIN\HIMEM.SYS /MACHINE:8
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\BOOT\ETH503.SYS /I:5
DEVICE=C:\2ETH503.SYS /I:2 /A:350
DEVICE=C:\ANSI.SYS

==========================================================================

AUTOEXEC.BAT

@ECHO OFF
LSL
3C503
IPXODI
NETX
:TCPIP
C:\XLN\BIN40\YESNO "LOAD THE TCP/IP PROTOCOL?"
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO NOTCPIP
C:\XLN\BIN40\TCPIP
C:\XLN\BIN40\RFCNBIOS
C:\XLN\BIN40\CONVERT
C:\XLN\BIN40\TELAPI
SET NAME=debbied
SET EXCELAN=C:\XLN
BREAK ON 
:NOTCPIP

F:
SET TEMP=C:\WIN\TEMP

============================================================================

Basic network layout:

	Novell		Work
	Server		Station

	======         ======          TCP/IP
	=    ===========    ============================
	======         ======          Backbone



Hopefully someone will have an idea of something I'm missing.  One of my 
questions is, what is most commonly used on TCPIP backbones as far as the
Frame command.  Am I correct in setting up Frame Ethernet_802.3 for TCP/IP?
I would appreciate any responses, preferrably E-Mail.  Thanks in advance.

Debbie Devore
Colorado State University
College of Natural Resources
Computer Learning Lab

E-Mail:  debbied@zirkel.cfnr.colostate.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: keith@novell.com (Keith Brown)
Subject: Re: Univel Server vs. 3.11 Server
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:45:46 GMT

In article <Bz5q1M.KqJ@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>
>Does this mean that an MS-DOS computer connected via Ethernet to a
>UNIXWare server will not be able to mount UNIX directory trees as
>"network drives"? (Please forgive me if I have the terminology wrong.)

No, you have the terminology just fine and yes, that's exactly what
I meant.

Keith
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: shephard@fraser.sfu.ca (Gordon Shephard)
Subject: Re: Effect of multiple NICs on server performance
Keywords: NICs,server,performance
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:50:11 GMT

>>1)  I would like to add multiple NICs to our server in order to
>>segment our network and reduce traffic.  I am proposing having 3
>>NICs drive segments connected to various workstations and a fourth
>>NIC to tie the server to a campus backbone.
> 
<Ascii graphic of Server with Multiple Nics deleted>

>>    Question:  How much of a load am I imposing on the server by having
>>it support 3 NICs (1 per segment) vice 1 NIC?  Qualitatively speaking:
>>Is this a dumb thing to do?
> 
>> the server will not route IP!!!!!!!!!!!!  <===I don't know if you can install

>properly configured IP network.  RIP must be turned on to perform routing

Nope.  RIP is banned on our net (BCnet: Though Shall Not RIP on 128.189 )
and Routing of IP works fine through servers with Multiple NICs. We 
don't specify a gateway, (Security reasons, don't want Internet access 
from our labs) but all other aspects seem to be working fine.

I would guess that adding a reference to the BCnet Gateway on the BIND IP line
would give internet access to our Public Labs, haven't actually tried
it though.

>>System Administrator
>>Senior Systems Consultant  
>>Netware/UNIX System Programmer/Integrator 

Hmm.  Impressive titles attached to somebody who states a Novell
3.11 server with Multiple NICs won't route IP.  A re-read of the 
Section on "Characteristics of a subnetwork" in the "TCP/IP Transport
Supervisor's Guide" might be in order here.  

(They actually go into the details of configuring the subnet mask for
multiple subnetworks)


| Gordon Harry Shephard         | Distributed Computing Support Group  |
| Academic Computing Services   | Phone: (604)291-3930   (604)464-4991 |
| Simon Fraser University       |                                      |
| Burnaby, BC, Canada. V5A 1S6  | shephard@sfu.ca                      | 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: kent@humu.nosc.mil (Kent K. Kuriyama)
Subject: Effect of multiple NICs on server performance
Keywords: NICs,server,performance
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, Hawaii Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:57:07 GMT

1)  I would like to add multiple NICs to our server in order to
segment our network and reduce traffic.  I am proposing having 3
NICs drive segments connected to various workstations and a fourth
NIC to tie the server to a campus backbone.

	  +-----------+
	  |           |   Campus backbone
	  | Server    |------------------------
	  |           |
	  +-----------+
           |   |   |
	   |   |   |
         Seg  Seg Seg
	  1    2   3

    Traffic will be predominantly IPX between workstations and
server with some IP between segments and segment-to-backbone.  I realize
that Novell routes first then serves file requests.

    Question:  How much of a load am I imposing on the server by having
it support 3 NICs (1 per segment) vice 1 NIC?  Qualitatively speaking:
Is this a dumb thing to do?

Thanks in advance.

Kent Kuriyama

kent@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: thomas@atomica.fi (Thomas Aschan)
Subject: Re: ** I want my server to do this ... PLEASE READ
Organization: Oy Atomica Ab, ESBO, FINLAND
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:25:23 GMT

kxg8272@usl.edu (Guruswamy Karthikeyan) writes:

>In article <rouellet.723920402@ragueneau> rouellet@gel.ulaval.ca (Real Ouellet) writes:
>>Hello fellow netters,
>>
>>I have this problem, and would appreciate A LOT if someone could give me
>>at least the beginning of an answer...    Here it is:
>>
>>1)  Configuration: Novell 3.11
>>2)  Problem:  I want the server to automagickally execute certain commands
>>    when a specific file appears somewhere in a directory.
>>    Example:
>>         Whenever the file "FOO_BAR.XXX" appears in a certain directory,
>>         I want the server to "UNLOAD" a certain module and "LOAD" another
>>         one.
>>3)  I want to do that because I want to give my users the ability to access
>>    a very privileged operation (LOAD, UNLOAD) in a very controlled way
>>    (always the same modules), without giving them privileged access.
>>
>>4)  I don't have what it takes to create NLM's, and therefore am looking for
>>    some utility, or built-in features of the system that would allow me to
>>    do that.
>>
>>Please, help me!
>>
>>Thank you!
>>
>>Real Ouellet
>>rouellet@gel.ulaval.ca

	There is a NLM with crontab & scripting capabilities. Don't ask me
	where You can get it. The name is NCL.ZIP. Try archie.

	Cheers, Thomas
From: slqy8@cc.usu.edu (The Blizzard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: SLLOOWWW PSERVER.EXE -- HELP!!!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:36:03 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

[Message on slow print server deleted...]
Well,
	I finally got the problem solved with the print server.  Apparently,
we had an incompatible parallel port card.  When I swapped the card out of
the machine, everything started functioning like it should.  I don't know
what is exactly wrong with the card, but I know that I won't buy another of
those *&@*#**@ cheap no-name things!
	Thanks to everyone for their responses to my message!

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From: shephard@fraser.sfu.ca (Gordon Shephard)
Subject: Bug in Novell Map root: (Netx.com V. 3.26 (920211) )
Summary: Map root has strange behaviour with \\ characters (netx v. 3.26)
Keywords: netx map root bug error 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:36:29 GMT

The following behaviour has been observed with Netx.com V. 3.26
(920211, 52443 bytes)

In our environment, the result proved to be disastrous but recoverable.
(We had been purging directories, and an operator had typed zap . 
which caused our purge program (zap) to attempt to zap j:\\.)

Without backups we would, of course, have been wiped out.


Behaviour Exhibited:
--------------------

md tmp
map root j:=tmp
dir j:\           [Results are as expected.]
dir j:\\          [Map Root is Violated, and TRUE volume Root is displayed]
dir j:            [WORSE!  Now the Map root has been deleted.]

 
1) Is this a Known Bug?              
2) Is there a version of netx.com released after v. 3.26 which rectifies
   this problem?


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From: Ullrich_Fischer@mindlink.bc.ca (Ullrich Fischer)
Subject: Re: Pocket LAN adapters
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:05:06 GMT

We've been using XIRCOM LAN-parallel port adaptors for about 2 years now with
absolutely no problems except the occasional defective parallel port.  They
are
a great way to get laptops and notebooks onto the LAN relatively cheaply.

We've used the ARCNET and 10BaseT versions and both work extremely well.

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From: humstaff@orion.oac.uci.edu (Humanities Computer Consulting Office)
Subject: Remote Boot from 3.11 server
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Organization: Humanities, UC Irvine
Keywords: Remote Boot
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:26:17 GMT

I am having problems setting up some workstations to Remote Boot off of our 
3.11 server.  The workstations seem to be set up properly, i.e. they connect 
when booted off of the floppy disk I am using for the boot image, but they 
crash right after I tell the machine to boot from the network.  The Novell 
Remote Boot screen comes up with the copyright dates and version 
information, and the machine sends out a "get nearest server" and the server 
replies, but then the machine crashes and will not warm boot, and it must be 
reset.  The boot ROM is at the default address D8000, and there does not 
seem to be any memory conflict.  I have been folowing the Installation 
manuel exactly for the single Remote Boot image file directions.

My workstations are AST Bravo 4/33 workstations with SMC Ethercard PLUS 
Elite 16 (SMC8013) ethernet cards.  I have the Netware Boot ROM version 4.0.

Does anyone have any Idea what I am doing wrong?

Thanks!

Cory Compton
University of California, Irvine
Humanities Computer Facilities
Email: cacompto@uci.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,bit.listserv.novell
From: phill@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Phill Solomon)
Subject: how do I monitor NFS activity ?
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 05:59:00 GMT

Hi All,
is there a utility or method of seeing what an NFS user is doing.
With Novell users I use monitor but with NFS I can just see reads/writes etc
from nfsadmin.

Thanks,

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:18:31 EST
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: LANSUP.COM mistakenly reverses MAC address bit order.

In article <1992Dec13.164000.13941@bernina.ethz.ch>, pkarrer@bernina.ethz.ch
(Peter Karrer) says:
>
>This is from my CONFIG.SYS:
>
>  DEVICE=C:\LSP\PROTMAN.DOS /I:C:\LSP
>  DEVICE=C:\LSP\NETFLX.DOS
>  DEVICE=C:\LSP\DXMA0MOD.SYS
>  DEVICE=C:\LSP\DXME0MOD.SYS 400000037292
What happens if you try  DEVICE=...DXME0MOD 200000C04E49?
And shouldn't that be DXMC0MOD?
>
>NETFLX.DOS is a *Token-Ring (802.5)* NDIS driver.
>DXMA0MOD/DXME0MOD is an IBM NDIS-to-LAN Support Program (ASI[?]) shim.
>400000037292 is my PC's "locally administered" LAN address.
>
>My AUTOEXEC.BAT has NETBIND, LSL, LANSUP, ROUTE, IPX, NETX, TCPIP, TELAPI etc.
>We need the LAN Support interface for a 3270 emulator (Attachmate Extra!
>for Windows).
>
>Now, LANSUP.COM tells me:
>  Initializing ETHERAND adapter...
>  Node Address 20000C04E49
>  ...
>020000C04E49 is 400000037292 with reversed bit order within address bytes.
>(Setting the node address in NET.CFG has no effect.)
>
>Sure enough, when I trace IP traffic, I see that the MAC header source
>address is correct, while the ARP reply address has its bits swapped...
>
>The problem probably comes from the fact that support for 802.5 NDIS drivers
>is a new feature of LAN Support Program version 1.3x; earlier versions
>only supported 802.3 and DIX 2.0, for which bit swapping is OK.
>
>I think LANSUP.COM needs an upgrade, or is there some workaround?
>
>Meanwhile, I could patch LANSUP.COM (I've identified the flag which is
>responsible for bit swapping), but  perhaps I shouldn't...
>
>--
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From: slqy8@cc.usu.edu (The Blizzard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: SLLOOWWW PSERVER.EXE -- HELP!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:12:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hi!:
	I am having a little problem here that I hope that someone out there
can help me solve.  We are running NW 3.11 on our 386DX file server, and have
not had any problems with it.  Where I am running into problems is with our
dedicated DOS print server.  We are currently using PSERVER.EXE v1.23 (or
1.26 - I can't remember off the top of my head) running on a 286 machine.
The 286 is a no-frills machine (no extra memory, small HDD, etc.).
	What is happening is that print jobs are taking FOREVER to print.
If I go into pconsole and look at the printer status, I can see the % complete
for the current job.  On the printers on this print server, this number
changes very slowly (i.e. 21.3, 21.7, 21.89, etc.  with anywhere from 3 to 5
seconds between changes in the numbers).  This means that it takes about an
hour to print a single page on one of the printers.  This performance is
totally unacceptable, and I really can't figure out what is wrong.  (I have
configured the printers with a 20K buffer and using interrupts.)
	Can anyone out there help me out??  I am in a bind, and with finals
upon us, the students are beating down my door.  Help!  Any information at
all will be GREATLY appreciated.  Thanks!

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From: hughbria@ux1.isu.edu (Brian Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Metering Mac Software?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:15:59 GMT
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello

Hi Everyone,

I'm getting ready to put the Mac NLM on a 3.11 server and being
fairly Mac stupid I was wondering what other folks are doing to
meter Macintosh software.  

If you would email any replies I would be happy to summerize if 
there are others interested.

Thanks In Advance,
Brian Hughes---hughbria@isu.edu
From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: ODI and dialup, PPP, SLIP
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:58:03 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <724326277snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk>, mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes:
> I've read that LAN Workplace for DOS 4.1 includes support for dialup
> connections via PPP and SLIP. Does anyone know if these drivers will be made
> available to those of us who would like dialup connections BUT do NOT need
> the full blown suite of programs supplied in LW4D.
> 
> I'm particularly interested in using this option with MS-Kermit 3.12.
>                 Mike
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	MSK v3.12 followon (not visible to the public 'cause it's not finished)
does work with Novell's SLIP_PPP ODI driver. I've tested the SLIP part and I'm
looking for a handy PPP spigot. We are also looking at possible embellishments,
but that's just on the wish list at the moment, behind a long list of to-be-
done items. MSK 3.12 will not work with it because, as we all know, SLIP lacks 
MAC frame headers and MSK 3.12 expected ODI material to have frame headers. 
(If you are interested ODI structures then the absence of frame headers should 
provide a nice puzzle.) So, ya gotta wait til I'm done, or grab LWP/DOS v4.1 
when it is done, or realistically both. I have no idea of what the marketing 
strategy will be for SLIP_PPP. After the first of the year, sometime, is my 
best guess on both. A pretty safe prediction, yes?
        Joe D.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: ntprlr@eskimo.com (NightProwler)
Subject: Re: UNIX to Novell and back
Organization: Ghost in the Shell
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:28:51 GMT

Keith Brown (keith@) wrote:
: (...) I am posting this to point out that NetWare NFS as it ships 
: today does *not* currently support NFS access to server based CD-ROMs.
: Just so you know.
: 

Is this because you can't add the NFS name-space to the CD-ROM volumes?

How does the name-space mechanism work?  I've always wondered where this info
gets written out...
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From: richf@mel.dbce.csiro.au (Richard Figar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Q: SCSI Express & CD-ROM compatibility?
Date: 10 Dec 92 04:53:43 GMT
Organization: CSIRO, Div. Building Constr. and Eng'ing, Melb., Australia

In article <jan3-041292095613@ul34830.ul.cwru.edu> jan3@po.cwru.edu (James A. Nauer) writes:
>
>We are considering changing our CD-ROM server over to a SCSI Express system
>(from Micro Design).  At this point, the only question that has arisen is
>of compatibility; naturally, MDI claims that they "don't know of anything
>that doesn't work--except Grolier's Encycolopedia."  
>
>If any other SCSI Express users out there have some real-world experience
>to either contradict or confirm MDI's claim, please post.  I am
>particularly interested in compatibility of CD products using search
>software from SilverPlatter, Wilson, and  Lotus BlueFish.
>
>TIA, 
>  --Jim
>

We've been running SCSI Express for about 6 months now and found it to be
as good as the reviews it received. There were problems getting the 
Bustek SCSI adapter working with 2 adaptec SCSI HDD controllers but it was
just a matter of setting the cards right. I tested several CD's even one
from SilverPlatter and they all work well. The only problem is when you
are using software that requires MSCDEX.EXE to be loaded on the workstation.
MDI supply you with a replacement named MDICDEXT.EXE this seems to work very
well but it is not documented anywhere in the manuals or in any readme file.
BTW we are using a Pioneer 6-disk autochanger which is fast as long as there
aren't too many people using different CD's at the same time.

Richard

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: "corey groves" <corey.groves@canrem.com>
Subject: how do i stop 3rd par
Reply-To: "corey groves" <corey.groves@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:30:16 EST

  >>>>Hello everyone.  At my current place of employment, our network analyst h
  >>>>installed some 3rd party software that scans your local C: drive across t
  >>  [ .... ]
  >>>On a different note, is there a program that allows you to snoop other peo
  >>>computers without them knowing.  The only one I know of is PC Commute whic
  >>>informs the user, and allows them to reject the caller ?

SC>>The only way for a user to access another users' system is to install a
  >>sharing package onto the target system. It may be possible to do this via
  >>a login script, but I'm not sure how well it would work. The target user
  >>should be able to check for TSRs that weren't loaded from CONFIG.SYS or
  >>AUTOEXEC.BAT, but otherwise the only indication would be mysterious disc
  >>activity or a slight reduction in throughput.

SC>>Of course, it's always possible to sit down in front of their computer
  >>and look at whatever is on there....

SC>ahhh yes, but in a big organisation finding the computer is difficult
  >enough !  A nice user managment system is soooo much nicer and easier.

SC>I am still yet to find a freeware / shareware version availible though.
  >I was informed that a program named LANHIJAK was availible but I can't
  >find it on any ftp sites.  If anyone has got a copy of this program,
  >apperently the early versions were freeware / shareware I would be most
  >grateful if someone could email me a UUE'd copy.

What is the legal implication of playing big brother on somebody on a
school network. Say I put a floppy in a network computer and said
programs scan it (not that they could find anything past all the junk
their batch files already load onto the floppies). Is that legal?
Corey
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