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From: lou@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml,comp.text
Subject: ISO 10445????
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:21:20 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I just found a reference to an ISO standard with an interesting title.
Before I rush off and order it, does anyone here know anything about
  
   ISO 10445  Documentation - Preparation of manuscripts/computerscripts
              for publication

? Does it mention SGML? if not, why not?

Lou Burnard
Text Encoding Initiative/OUCS

lou@ox.ac.uk
From: dmh@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Hollander)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:27:02 GMT
Subject: Re: SGML query program
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml

/ hpcc01:comp.text.sgml / hardiman@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Paul Hardiman) / 10:41 am  Sep 11, 1992 /

> I am interested in knowing of any:
> 
> 2) query and manipulation languages
> that might be suitable for ASCII SGML files.

ISO 10744:1992 (HyTime) includes a query notation called HyQ. It described
in some detail in appendix A of the  first edition of the standard.
Perhaps Steve Newcomb <srn@techno.com> could supply you with more details.

Regards,
  Dave Hollander
  Hewlett Packard
  415-857-4466
From: 108101@adpdp2.lanl.gov (108101)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: SGML query program
Keywords: SGML
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:08:00 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <3602@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, hardiman@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Paul Hardiman) writes...
> 
>I am interested in knowing of any:
>1) software that can do ad hoc queries for data from
>ASCII SGML files
> 
>2) query and manipulation languages
>that might be suitable for ASCII SGML files.
> 
>3) Indexers for elements and attributes.
> 
> 
>I do not recall much discussion on using ASCII SGML documents
>as data bases, so this might be new territory.
> 
> 
>I know that there are a few systems that handle query
>capability, but they all seem to want to convert the
>file into a database.  That is no bueno for me - the
>files must stay ASCII files.
> 

Topic from Verity Corp, (415) 960-7620, does what you ask. We use it to provide
information to people Lab wide.   Our database is marked up with SGML and is
searched and displayed by Topic.  Topic let's you decide whether you want to
display the native SGML marked text or reformat it to look nicer.  I've enjoyed
working with it. If you have any other questions let me know.

Perry Sandoval
sandoval_perry@allin1.adpdp2.lanl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: SGML query program 
Distribution: world
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:46:47 +0000


In article <3602@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> hardiman@bcstec.ca.boeing.com writes:
>I am interested in knowing of any:
>1) software that can do ad hoc queries for data from
>ASCII SGML files

>BTW, my email has been a little dull lately, so even
>flames are welcome.

Mine does :-)  And you can't have it, nyah nyah nyah!
(Not a product, it's an in-house thing, and I'm slowly working myself
up into a suitable frame of mind for documenting it...)

>2) query and manipulation languages
>that might be suitable for ASCII SGML files.

Check out SFQL.

>I do not recall much discussion on using ASCII SGML documents
>as data bases, so this might be new territory.

Well, we've done it but there certainly doesn't (ahem) appear to
be a great deal written up in the literature admittedly.

>I know that there are a few systems that handle query
>capability, but they all seem to want to convert the
>file into a database.  That is no bueno for me - the
>files must stay ASCII files.

>If proprietary interests are involved, please advise.
It's not so much that ours is proprietary, it's that we've got too
much work on too make it acceptable for anyone except oursselves
to use.  To get our own product out we had to trim a couple of
corners and turn what was intended to be a general purpose tool
into something that just understood our own documents.

However I promise on my mother's grave (don't anyone tell her I
said that) that I'll document our system someday and put the
paper on the net somewhere.

G
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: Acronym/term lists.
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:23:10 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <14SEP199211140381@adpdp2.lanl.gov> sandoval_perry@allin1.adpdp2.lanl.gov (sandoval_perry) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can find the following:
>o	An acronym/term database (ftp-able)
>o	An acronym/term database in SGML (also ftp-able)
>
>Is anyone interested in such a beast?

I have one, which includes a list of ISO/CCITT/ECMA/ANSI standards (well,
all the interesting ones) but the SGML is far from perfect. The problem is
attributes versus sub-elements, as usual, and also the notating of some
complex semantics (e.g. how you notate the fact that ODA stands for one
thing in ISO, and another thing in CCITT and ECMA, but they are nevertheless
the same thing; and how do you notate the relation between different bodies'
adoptions of the same standards, especially when they have changed over
time, as with X.400, or the irritating habit some companies have of
re-defining what their acronyms stand for!)

It is a mess at the moment as I am still experimenting with different
DTDs, but I will try to make it available soon.
Xref: sparky comp.text.sgml:1053 alt.cd-rom:3124
From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml,alt.cd-rom
Subject: Exoterica's Compleat SGML?
Keywords: CD-ROM SGML reference
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:01:18 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


I've just seen a flier for a CD-ROM offered by Exoterica Corp. called
"The Compleat SGML on CD-ROM."  I know I could call them with my
questions but usenet is much more fun and I don't have to pay the long
distance!

Question 1: What format is this CD and what platform is it intended
for?  It says it comes with a "Windows-based database extraction tool"
so that sounds DOS-ish.  Is the CD ISO-9660 formatted?

Question 2: What viewing (retrieval) software comes with this?  ie. what
tools are included to find what you need on this oh-so-dense media?

For those who haven't heard of this CD, here's the text from the flier:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Serious users of SGML need thorough reference materials on SGML to help
unravel its mysteries -- detailed enough to implement solutions, yet
flexible enough to be used as a teaching tool.

In December Exoterica will release a CD-ROM containing the full text of
ISO8879 incorporating Amendment 1, with extensive hypertext
cross-references, annotations, and tied to an enormous library of
carefully constructed examples.

These examples double as the new Exoterica SGML Conformance Test Suite.
The test files have been developed in the strictest conformance to the
ANSI Standard for SGML testing.  Each test is an SGML document which
contains a precise and straightforward statement of objective and is
cross referenced to a particular sentence or phrase in the Standard.
While being an excellent teaching tool, the Test Suite also provides a
sound basis for product testing and comparison.

The CD-ROM features:
o 3,200 tests (2,500 conforming SGML documents and 700 non-conforming
  documents)
o The Reference Application for SGML Testing (RAST) output for 2,500
  conforming tests.
o A Windows-based database extraction tool for assembling subsets of
  tests based on categories.
o The normative text of ISO8879 in Hypertext form, combined with
  documentation of the Exoterica Test Suite, for a total of more than
  20,000 context-sensitive cross-references.
o A Large Complex Reference Bench Mark with 11 Mbytes of complex SGML
  markup including approximately 1,350 complex tables (ideal for product
  benchmarking).

Exoterica Corporation
383 Parkdale Avenue, Suite 406
Ottawa, Ontario  Canada  K1Y 4R4
Tel: 613-722-1700
Fax: 613-722-5706
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Standard Disclaimers: I don't work for Exoterica, nor do I receive any
compensation for them.  I don't even use their products, being new to
SGML and not yet chartered to buy any SGML software.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jann E VanOver
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
VanOver@atc.boeing.com
       "Why don't y'all go home?"     Bette Davis in The Little Foxes
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From: DRMACRO@RALVM13.VNET.IBM.COM ("Dr. "Eliot Kimber" Macro")
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: SGML query program
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:52:08 GMT


Paul Hardiman asks about query mechanisms for SGML documents.

I don't know of any off-the-shelf query engines, but HyTime
(ISO 10744) defines a query language (HyQ) specifically for
doing queries into SGML documents.  It shouldn't be too hard
to write a HyQ server on top of any reasonably-sophisticated
SGML parser.   If you need special purpose queries to meet
a specific application, you could do it pretty easily using
a system like the IBM SGML Translator and a fairly small amount
of REXX code, on the order of a few hundred lines.

I've said a few things in this forum about SGML documents as
databases.  In fact, I've started to think about all processing
done against SGML documents as retrieval, in the sense that
the processing application retrieves elements from the SGML
source for the purpose of creating the output object.  The simplest
retrieval query is "retrieve all elements in the order they
occur in the document.", but that is only one of many possible
retrieval strategies.  I find that this way of thinking about
SGML documents breaks me out of the sequential processing
for formatting paradigm that most document processing systems
use, and frees me to think of more interesting and powerful
ways of using SGML documents.  Also, if retrieval is a basic
processing function of your application, it gives you a base
on which to build all sorts of useful functions such as
retrieval of specific elements based on element properties.
If you think of your document source as a general-purpose
database of information intended to be used and re-used in
many ways, then retrieval is the natural mechanism for
accessing that data, just as you would use retrieval to access
data in any other kind of database.

One interesting aspect of this way of thinking is that if you
have a processing system that uses retrieval as its model
for data access and provides mechanisms for controlling retrieval
based on properties of elements, then very nutty problems like
multiversioning become very easy to solve, because they are
reduced to specific query specifications made using a general-purpose
query and retrieval mechanism.  For example, assuming I've
defined the property element "VERSION=" for all GIs, I can
modify the basic query above to "retrieve all elements
that have the property value VERSION=1 in the order they
occur."  This would retrieve only elements of the correct
version (and any elements they contain).

Eliot Kimber                      Internet:  drmacro@ralvm13.vnet.ibm.com
Dept E14/B500                     IBMMAIL:   USIB2DK9@IBMMAIL
Network Programs Information Development     Phone: 1-919-543-7091
IBM Corporation
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: sandoval_perry@allin1.adpdp2.lanl.gov (sandoval_perry)
Subject: Acronym/term lists.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:14:00 GMT

Does anyone know where I can find the following:

o	An acronym/term database (ftp-able)
o	An acronym/term database in SGML (also ftp-able)

Is anyone interested in such a beast?

Would anyone be interested in helping me create one?

If I see an acronym in a magazine article and add it to my list of acronyms
do I have to note where I found the informaton?

While I've got your attention, does anyone know where I can get PostScript
Japanese Hiragana and Kanji characters?

Thanks

Perry Sandoval
Los Alamos National Laboratory
sandoval_perry@allin1.adpdp2.lanl.gov 
Xref: sparky comp.text.sgml:1043 comp.text.tex:11002
From: boris@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Boris Hemkemeier)
Subject: Scientific Word
Summary: Who knows Scientific Word?
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:29:54
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Bielefeld, Germany
Keywords: TeX, LaTeX, WYSIWYG, Scientific Word
Followup-To: comp.text.tex

Hi folks,

we (more exactly: some professors in our department) are looking for a
WYSIWYG (La)TeX front end. Who works with "Scientific Word" by TCI
Software research, Inc.? Experiences and comments are welcome.

Thank you in advance,
Boris H.
--
			  "Say no to bugs!"
Boris Hemkemeier	boris@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de.
Xref: sparky comp.text:1185 news.answers:2830
From: johndew@watson.ibm.com (John Dewysocki)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 15:30:32 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

We have upgraded to SunOs 4.1.2 and X11R5, my problem is that
I can't start up openwindows any more.  When I try to execute
openwin it complains in the following way, then dies:

Couldn't get base SunWindow
/usr/openwin/bin/xinit:  Connection refused (errno 61): unable to 
connect to X server

I have all the correct env. variables set up correctly, the right
path ahead of /usr/bin/X11, and have been able to run 
/usr/openwin/bin/xinit by itself (running olwm) w/out a problem.

It seems the problem is with xnews (which complains about the
base SunWindow - above).  Unfortunately, I do not have any 
X11/NeWS literature to refer to.  Can anyone give me any
pointers?  Is this a X11R5/NeWS problem?
Thanks,  
-- 

     ~    John    ~ 
|///////////\\\\\\\\\\\|
From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: setsid on 4.3+BSD
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:54:09 GMT


 I have xview running on a concurrent machine. However when a term window
is created (with devGuide) a call to setsid is generated. Concurrent RTU
does not have a setsid function ( that I could find anyway. This is all
in "universe ucb"). 

Q: Is this a 4.3 or a BSD function ? (W. Richard Stevens says
   it is SVR4 and Posix but is vague about it's origins.)
Q: does anybody have the source code for setsid ?
Q: is it available at ftp.uu.net:/systems/unix/bsd-sources/lib


Thanxs for your help..
Sinan
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: eugene@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Eugene Yuzheng Ding)
Subject: Re: OLVWM Grab Keys?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 02:09:37 GMT


FAQ says "xvttool" is on titan.rice.edu. But seems that host is no longer
there (I got "unknown host" from several machines). I'll appreciate it
if anyone can give an alternative site or so.

The actual problem I have is that I have to access some other machines
(including a VAX running VMS, an IBM workstation running AIX, etc.) from
a SUN Sparc IPC on which I'm currently running OpenWindows (with olwm).
Due to space limit I only have the standard OpenWindows programs on local
host which basically offers cmdtool as the only shell window type. Since
the other machines does not have sun-cmd or sun (or even xterm -- I can get
"xterm") as a recognizable term type, I cannot do any screen oriented work.
I hope xvttool will be a cure, but if anyone has other suggestion I'll
also appreciate it.

Please reply to my e-mail address. Thanks!

-- Eugene <eugene@cs.ucla.edu>
From: cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: setsid on 4.3+BSD
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:13:33 GMT
Reply-To: cflatter@nrao.edu
Organization: NRAO

In article wkqe0j5@openlook.Unify.Com, sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu) writes:
>
> I have xview running on a concurrent machine. However when a term window
>is created (with devGuide) a call to setsid is generated. Concurrent RTU
>does not have a setsid function ( that I could find anyway. This is all
>in "universe ucb"). 
>
>Q: Is this a 4.3 or a BSD function ? (W. Richard Stevens says
>   it is SVR4 and Posix but is vague about it's origins.)

A: setsid() was introduced in the POSIX.1 standard.

>Q: does anybody have the source code for setsid ?

setsid() is not meaningful unless your O/S supports sessions.  A session
is a process grouping above that of a process group. i.e. a process group
contains one or more processes; a session contains one or more process groups.
Sessions were introduced to regularize job control: all jobs running from
a single control terminal belong to the same session.

If your O/S does not support sessions or job control then you may substitute
setpgrp() (System V) for setsid().

>Q: is it available at ftp.uu.net:/systems/unix/bsd-sources/lib

It may be but it will require a BSD kernel to work.

	Chris Flatters
	cflatter@nrao.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: zong@huey.cs.huji.ac.il (Yaniv Azriel)
Subject: Starting out
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:26:09 GMT

Hallo everyone.
  I have began to program to the OpenLook GUI today, approx 10 hours ago!)

  I copied this simple hello program from a book by Dan Heller, compiled and 
linked. On running it sang the usual segmentation fault blues and grinded to a 
halt. The debugger claims the segmentation fault was generated by an obscure 
routine by the name of  XrmStringToQuarkList. 

  Well, it all chineese to me. Now i am not a novice programmer, but having spend
a whole working day, trying to execute an hello program, i am considering
going back to Motif, which i had abondoned after taking one quick glance at an
OpenLook application - pure beauty. I include the source, and hope some one can
straighten me out.  

#include <xview/xview.h>
#include <xview/frame.h>
#include <xview/panel.h>

Frame frame;

main (argc, argv) 
int argc;
char *argv[];
    {
    Panel panel;
    void quit();
    xv_init(XV_INIT_ARGC_PTR_ARGV, &argc, argv, NULL);
    frame = (Frame)xv_create (NULL, FRAME, FRAME_LABEL, argv[0],
			      XV_WIDTH, 200,
 			      XV_HEIGHT, 100, NULL);
    panel=(Panel)xv_create (frame, PANEL, NULL);
    (void) xv_create (panel, PANEL_BUTTON, PANEL_LABEL_STRING, "quit",
		     PANEL_NOTIFY_PROC, quit, NULL);
    
    xv_main_loop(frame);
    exit(0);
    }

void quit() 
{
    xv_destroy_safe(frame);
}

Thanks all.

PS. i am running the Xview toolkit, on a sun4 (running unix.. and X11). Am i
making sense at all ?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yaniv Azriel		zong@huey.huji.ac.il		Users are irrelevant...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: mfb@tera.com (Mark Beauchamp)
Subject: PseudoColor Images in NeWS
Reply-To: mfb@tera.com
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:22:11 GMT

I know this should be simple, but...

I'm trying to modify '$OPENWINHOME/demo/rap', (the OpenWin3 NeWS image manipulation
demo) so that instead of using the 'small' or 'large' static colormaps allocated
for NeWS within xnews, will dynamically allocate a PseudoColor map as necessary
for better quality images within the tool.  (I'm perfectly willing to accept 
colormap flashing elsewhere on the screen!)

Can anyone provide an example as to how this should be done?

Many thanks in advance,

---
Mark Beauchamp, mfb@tera.com
    Vc 206.548.9405
    Fx 206.545.4564
Tera Computer Company
400 N 34th St, Ste 300
Seattle, WA 98103

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.fonts
From: eugene@etude.cs.ucla.edu (Eugene Ding)
Subject: xvttool -- where and how is it?
Keywords: vt100, open-look
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 02:37:39 GMT

*** I posted this under a wrong title a while ago. Sorry for that. ***

FAQ says "xvttool" is on titan.rice.edu. But seems that host is no longer
there (I got "unknown host" from several machines). I'll appreciate it
if anyone can give an alternative site or so.

The actual problem I have is that I have to access some other machines
(including a VAX running VMS, an IBM workstation running AIX, etc.) from
a SUN Sparc IPC on which I'm currently running OpenWindows (with olwm).
Due to space limit I only have the standard OpenWindows programs on local
host which basically offers cmdtool as the only shell window type. Since
the other machines does not have sun-cmd or sun (or even xterm -- I can get
"xterm") as a recognizable term type, I cannot do any screen oriented work.
I hope xvttool will be a cure, but if anyone has other suggestion I'll
also appreciate it.

Please reply to my e-mail address. Thanks!

-- Eugene <eugene@cs.ucla.edu>
From: fgreco@fis1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Scrolling list
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:20:05 GMT

> I am trying to create a GUI based on XView using DevGuide. The GUI I am
> writing contains a scrolling PANEL_LIST which should work very similar
> to the one in the DevGuide Load Popup window.
> For example, double clicking on an item representing a directory should
> cause the 'loader' to cd to that directory. 
> My question might be a very basic one but how do I implement selection
> on double-clicking using XView?

	If you have Devguide 3.0, look in the Devguide/XView manual
	on page 55 "File Chooser".  It's an object that is already
	built for you.

	If you just want the dbl-click routine, the src is there too.

	But be forewarned that it isn't 100% correct.  See Tank's
	recent post about panel-list and dbl-clicking, the gist being
	that panel-list has to handle dbl-click internally and not
	in the notify proc.

	Frank G.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:3776 alt.toolkits.xview:851
From: brianw@ark.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Warkentine)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Re: Slingshot 1,0 Bug?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:59:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ark

In article <1992Sep7.184551.7414@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> adc@tardis.msu.edu writes:
>
>ACTION_SELECT and ACTION_ADJUST events don't seem to be handled
>correctly in Slingshot 1.0.  I'm using Slingshot 1.0 with Guide 3.0.
>I've created a canvas shell with an array tile with icons.  The icons
>pass the press and release of the ACTION_ADJUST; the array tile, or
>canvas, just pass the press of the ACTION_ADJUST.  None of the
>components pass the release of the ACTION_SELECT; the components pass
>the press of ACTION_SELECT just fine.  BUT, icons will pass an
>ACTION_SELECT release when I press select over an icon, move the mouse
>a bit, then release.


You are right.  I suppose you could call it a bug, but that's just the
way it has been coded.  The SlingShot 1.0 extensions occasionally
bypass XView's event notification scheme and get the events right from
Xlib and don't let XView or the application look at them.

This will be fixed in a future release.  In the short term, you can
be risky and try your hand at hacking the SlingShot internals.  Use
the source Luke!


-brian
brian.warkentine@eng.sun.com
From: Jeremy Bennett
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Upgrading to SUNVISION 1.2
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:38:35 GMT
Reply-To: cnbs63@uk.ac.strath.ccsun
Organization: Strathclyde University Sun Workstations.

I have just upgraded from SUNVISION 1.0 to SUNVISION 1.2 because of an upgrade from OW2 to OW3. The problem is that the files generated by SUNVISION 1.0 are now so slower when run under 1.2 that they are unusable. The 1.2 demos run quickly enough !

Has anyone any thoughs on how to speed-up the old files. There is the problem that the data used to generate the SUNVISION files no long exists so the method would have to work with the files alone and not the original data.

Thank you for your attention and time !

Jeremy
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look