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From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Another General Midi question
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:36:19 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
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In article <jmw.726197635@tasman>
                  jmw@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (John Mark Williams) writes:

>Can anyone who has access to a GM module tell me if the pitch produced for
>any given note number is the same for all programs, or are, for example, 
>all the bass programs transposed down an octave and all the flutes up an 
>octave, such as on my D110.

First, I think John means that the basses are transposed up an octave and the
flutes down an octave.  At least, that's the way it must be in order for my
point (to follow) to make sense!

John's question brings out one of the interesting aspects of the MIDI
specification: it virtually ignores pitch.  The closest it comes to pitch
specification is that it states that note 60 is middle C of a keyboard, and
that notes 0, 12, 24, etc are all Cs.  This is a good thing, I think,
because to do otherwise would be needlessly limiting.  For example, it
would preclude alternate temperments, and would limit the range of patches
that can be used effectively on "short" keyboards.  The reason John
experiences the transpositions that he lists is that, when the patches were
created, the programmer realized that, in order for them to be useful, he
had to place them such that their most appropriate ranges would be available
on typical keyboards, such as the very common ones with 61 keys.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: horvath@rtsg.mot.com (Bob Horvath)
Subject: Re: About reading music (was: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle...)
Reply-To: motcid!horvath@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:07:44 GMT

kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Kuusama Juha,,,,) writes:

>From article <C0FsKo.9uM@boi.hp.com>, by rdm@boi.hp.com ():
>...


>I would say it is definitely "dots->understanding->fingers". I used to be
>able to play "prima vista" (here is the sheet, one-two-three-record...),
>so I still remember how I did it. (A few years at the computer is bad
>for your playing but good to your economy...) I played bass and my FIFO
>was at least two measures. Definitely not dots-fingers directly because
>that way I could not plan my fingering ahead. For example, some pieces
>written for piano have low D's and low C's in the bass parts, which a
>normal bass cannot reach. If I was requested to play these (I didn't had 
>a 5-string at those times) the solution is to step an octave up in a suitable
>place between phrases, otherwise I would have run out of notes in a
>middle of a phrase.

>Another though to confirm this: many keyboard players can do dots->
>undestanding->transpose->fingers in real time.
>--
>Juha

I would also definitely agree with "dots->understanding->fingers".

My main instrument is the french horn. As part of the nature of french
horns, there are many different fingerings for different notes. Some
fingerings are more in tune than others but depending on the sequence of the
notes, sometimes it is better to use a slightly out of tune fingering to get
a smoother slur (with no fingering change) or to pick an alternate fingering
which makes going from one note to another easier (perhaps by having to
change only one valve instead of all 4).

In the chamber orchestra I play in, I am often asked to transpose to
different keys.  When I transpose I read the notes, transpose them in my
head (usually without thinking much about it) and then play the transposed
notes how I would play them if I had never read them at all.


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From: phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Potential junk posting, only relevant to 2 people
Summary: I need the people below to contact me.
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:54:22 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)

Apologies to those on the list for posting this but this is the only way
that I contact these people as I have lost their addresses.

Can Robert at A T&T in N.J. contact me vis a vis the MKS-100
and Tony at Hitachi in Japan contact me about the Korg sound cards.

Once again apologies to all

Paul
From: john@attcan.UUCP (John Benfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle Piano Teacher System
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:17:14 GMT
Organization: AT&T Canada - MIS Network Development

In article <16238@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, daveh@Auspex.COM (David Higgen) writes:
> In article <1id50cINNmn@west.West.Sun.COM>, flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
> > 
> > I've been a guitar player for over 20 years but do not read music
> > very well...
> >	..[interesting stuff omitted]... 
> > I can read some of the sheet music but it's painfully slow, a note at
> > a time with no connection to where they are on the keyboard.
> > 
> > When I told the salesman my predicament he replied "do you want to learn
> > to read music or to play the piano?"  I was puzzled....  I still am....
> > 
> > I think I want to do both.  Are there many keyboardists who do not know
> > how to read music?  What should I do?
> > 
> > -fred
> 
> Y'know, as someone in a very similar situation, I share Fred's puzzlement.
> One or two other posts on this thread have made the same distinction,
> without, to my mind, really explaining it. Not a flame: a serious request
> for clarification!
> 

No no no...it's not that keyboardist don't read music (though I know
a few amazing keyboard players that wouldn't know thier notes from thier
nuts), it's a question of whether your intention is to read music or
learn keyboard technique. While systems like the 'Miracle' will teach
you to read music and play songs, it WON'T teach you keyboard technique.
You could spend all day reading the course books and following diagrams
and fingerings, but as far as the system is concerned, you could play
the songs with your nose or by dragging your knuckles across the keyboard.
(Not, btw, the recommended technique :). What you need is some crusty
old conservatory prune with a ruler to permanently destroy a large percentage
of the nerves in your fingers everytime you screw up on fingerings or
hand positions.

What these systems WILL teach you is an outstanding amount of technical 
proficiency, but that isn't all there is to 'playing' keyboards. Try 
inputing some sheet music into a PC with a mouse one day. The PC will 
play the music with 100% TECHNICAL accuracy, but in most cases (J.S. 
Bach and some TechnoSlop excluded) it'll sound stilted at best and 
like pure crap at worst. There's a certain required human factor to 
play 'well' that no system will teach you. 

The Miracle is a great system and it will definitely serve as a good
system for anyone who either 1) has a certain amount of 'musical' talent
already or 2) doesn't mind playing like a large biological sequencer or
3) supplements thier training with some 'human' training.

I'm probably going to buy one for my 'ball and chain', but only because
she wants to be able to make noises that sound like music, NOT because
she wants to learn to play keyboards. (also, she's driving the cats and
I nuts with her attempts to teach herself :)

'Nuff said.

John Benfield
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers)
Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle Piano Teacher System 
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:22:57 GMT

In article <265@mnopltd.UUCP> neal@mnopltd.UUCP writes:
>Before I get one of these for my daughter ( 5.25 years old at present ) does
>anyone have experience using the Miracle Piano Teacher keyboard and PC 
>software with a young child?   She has already figured out MS-Windows and the
>Paint program, so computer literacy is not the issue.
>
>For that matter, any experience at all with it, even as an adult.

	I just got a Miracle for the Mac and recommend it.  I have never
played or read music before but it had me playing and reading music very
quickly.  Unlike a piano teacher, it is there all the time -- I can practice
whenever I want.  It seems like a good thing to use before getting a real
teacher, just to get up to speed.  I needed a keyboard to practice with
anyways and couldn't find one for much less.

	It came with a lot on songs on disc and it is easy to learn to play
them because it will put up the sheet music and show you where you are, and only
advance when you hit the proper note.  After you get good, it will let you
play at full speed with a metronome and then grade you on rythem and pitch.
It takes you through about 30 lessons and keeps tract of where you left off.

	The Mac software is very good (I heard the PC version is also good, but
have not tried it.  The Nintendo version is much inferior to the Mac version).
The Mac version has a few minor bugs, but they have not been a problem.

Notes about the keyboard:

	Velocity sensitive, 16 note polyphony, big internal stereo speakers + 
outputs.  MIDI in, out.  128 built in patches.  Good feel to keys (seems as good
as $1200 synths).  Well worth the $350 I paid from Mac Warehouse.  It can be used
as a MIDI controller later with a rack-mounted synth if you want better sound.
(The piano sound is fair).

						--Rob.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond)
Subject: Followup to the 01/W sound card shortage
Summary: Lawsuit could be the reason
Keywords: Lawsuit
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:20:09 GMT

I was talking to the one Korg distributor in Dublin recently where I
bought my machine and he gave me some information which may and I
emphasize may, explain why the cards are so difficult to get from Korg itself.
(By difficult I mean I can't get them in Irelnd and I know of nowhere in
England to get them, nor have I heard from anyone in Europe or the
States where they can be obtained)
The cards in question are the ones with the new PCM samples.

He heard on the grapevine that apparently Korg are involved in
some sort of lawsuit with other synth manufacturers whose names
he didn't know, but if it's true, it wouldn't be hard to guess.  There aren't
very many of them.

The suit supposedly involves the use of other manufactures samples on these
cards and so the cards are supposed to be frozen until the case is resolved.
I have heard from Irish people in Tokyo that the cards are available
there. This is the only place that I know of where the cards are available.
If the lawsuit rumour is true, then Japanese law must be able to bypass
this injunction or something like that. If the lawsuit isn't true then
the availability is perfectly natural, but the unavailabililty around the
rest of the world is a bit strange.

Please remember that all this is purely speculative and falls under the
category of rumour. I have no proof whatsoever of the validity of these suit
claims. Has anybody else heard of them ??

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: soh@gdstech.grumman.com (Scott O'Hare)
Subject: Re: K4 and K5 compatability
Reply-To: soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:49:21 GMT

In article <1637@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams) writes:
>What are the differences between the Kwai K4 and K5 synths?
>The main thing is for the single patches to be compatable.
>

Forget it. Two more utterly different voice architectures would be 
hard to imagine... 

soh
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and MIDI -- is anyone doing it?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 17:29:01 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:

> >Brian,
> >
> >I haven't done any serious MIDI stuff on it, although I would like to also.
> 
> Serious implies mpu-401 to me.  I have tried it with twelve tone's dos and
> windows versions of cakewalk.  It doesn't work correctly.  Timing problems.
> There are third party OS/2 midi apps being developed, rumor is that IBM is
> working on mpu-401 support.  


	I use an mpu-401 with no drivers, and it works fine. The
"timing problems" I assume are results of the multitasking.
Assign the MIDI application highest priority.



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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines])
Subject: Re: In defense of the FZ-1, and FZ-1 owner search!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:41:26 GMT


if $300-400 is a decent price for a FZ-1, then count me in too. i would be very
interested if there were two FZ-1's on the net for sale... one for nineball and
one for me...

thanks!




sines
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From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Sound module...
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:08:37 GMT
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu

I'm thinking of buying either a Roland Sound Canvas and Sound Brush,
or a Roland Real Time Arranger (RA-90), to give me more sounds and
some rhythm capabilities.  From what I've been told, the RA-90 is
about twice as expensive.  I'd like it if anyone who's used either
(or even both) would give me their impressions.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel)
Subject: Re: Test flare to rec.music.synth
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:33:33 GMT

cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

>This is a test flare to rec.music.synth.

>. . . . . . . s s s s h h . . . . . . > F O O M ! <

.... CRASH !  You have just ruined one of my flower beds !!!...

:-)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: pjeong@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Paul Jeong)
Subject: multisound price
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:09:56 GMT

someone asked about multisound board price.  i've seen a
local ad for $499.  the store name is "the electronic music
box" (i think, i'm almost sure) in sherman oaks (southern
calif.)  i don't have the ad with me so i can't give you
address and details right now.  sorry.

paul j.
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From: jason@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Martin Levitt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,misc.wanted
Subject: WANTED: Yamaha TX802 tone module
Followup-To: poster
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:55:55 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu


  Yeah, I want one. Send me your price.

    ---jason    email: jason@cs.utexas.edu     (512) 441-7747
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and MIDI -- is anyone doing it?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 17:26:00 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

os2man@panix.com (Larry Salomon Jr.) writes:

> >If anyone out there is using OS/2 as a platform for MIDI programming,
> >I'd appreciate hearing your experiences and opinions.
> 
> Brian,
> 
> I haven't done any serious MIDI stuff on it, although I would like to also.
> I have read here that the MMPM/2 (Multimedia extensions for OS/2) now have
> a beta Soundblaster driver (which probably supports the MIDI option on the
> card), so the future isn't entirely bleak.


	I now use OS/2 with Cakewalk, and it works excellent.
Much faster than before. I'm going to load up WinCake and Cubase
later on and try those out. So far, it looks promising.




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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: trice@brtph330 (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: Opinion on Korg Poly 800, Roland Juno 60
Organization: Bell Northern Research, RTP, NC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:32:01 GMT

grahame@skyfox wrote:
: >Does anyone know something about the two following synths:
: 
: >   Korg Poly 800
: >   Roland Juno 60
: 
: Both are analog synths from the mid-80's. The poly 800 was a no-frills
: 4-octave beastie. It doesn't uses a 'calculator' type editing system, rather
: than more practical knobs. Its big problem is that it only has one filter
: for all voices. The Juno-60 was an update of the arlier Juno 6, with
: programmable memory. The Juno doesn't have MIDI, but does have a Roland
: "DCB" interface. If I were looking for a synth in this range I'd go for
: something like a Juno 106 (has MIDI), unless the Juno 60 was already
: retrofitted.
: 

Those are the nuts and bolts, as for the sound . . . .

The Korg Poly 800 has a grainy, slightly better than CZ-101/1000, sound. Not
very pleasant or useful.  The Juno 60/106 has a warm analogish sound which
is very useful.

The best indicator of the value of an 'older synth' is where you see it
today.  I've seen Poly 800's stacked ontop of the the Yamaha PSR-XXXX's
and Casios with the "one-finger accompaniment" in the back room of 
Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center.  While Juno's are sought after for
their sound.

thats my $.02

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From: rsasaoka@musubi.pubnet.com (Yahagi Shogo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Keyboard instructional programs?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 22:15:24 HST
Organization: Studio Musubi, Honolulu HI

  Try getting the program from Ibis, called "Play it By Ear", you can use
this with your sound card and keyboard without having to go out and spend
money on a Miracle System.  BTW, how do you like the GUS?  I have one and 
am so frustrated with it, that I'm planning on getting rid of mine in 
favor of a SBPro 16 or a PAS 16.  I also have on order a MultiSound board
and am currently using a Roland SCC-1.  I am also planning on getting a 
Ensonique sound board when they do release it to the general consumers.
  I have heard that the latter will be SB compat (I hope without using
a TSR) and GS.  Till the next time 'round.
                                             Russell


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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 09:14:35 CST
From: "Peter Lehman" <lehman@orion.ssdc.honeywell.com>
To: rec.music.synth
Subject: Request opinions on Cubase or other Mac or PC based MIDI sequencers.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC


Does anyone have experience with Cubase Audio from Steinberg/Jones?

I looking to buy this software and am trying to decide if I should
get a Mac or PC version.  I have an Mac SE; but, this may be too
slow to handle this package.

Apparently Cubase Audio not only has a bunch of midi tracks that can
be recorded on; but, has 2 digital audio tracks as well for recording
digital audio onto the hard disk concurrent with your MIDI sequences.
Has anyone used this and how "good" is the audio quality (i.e. is the
DSP chip in the mac and/or PC adequate -or do you recomend some other
digitizing hardware/software)?  Can the digital tracks be edited
easily (Cut/Paste and signal manipulation)?

Are there other MIDI sequencing packages that would be worth looking at?

Thank-you kindly - Peter
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: MOD21288@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Thomas)
Subject: Joel Fajerman
Keywords: Joel Fajerman
Reply-To: MOD21288@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de
Organization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:37:12 GMT

Hi there, avid synthesizer freaks!

Is there anyone who got a record by Joel Fajerman?

If yes - please let me know - Thanx!


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: mhoffman@encore.com (Mike Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Followup to the 01/W sound card shortage
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:39:41 GMT
Keywords: Lawsuit

phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond) writes:

>may explain why the cards are so difficult to get from Korg itself.
>The cards in question are the ones with the new PCM samples.

>He heard on the grapevine that apparently Korg are involved in
>some sort of lawsuit with other synth manufacturers whose names
>he didn't know, but if it's true, it wouldn't be hard to guess.  There aren't
>very many of them.

>The suit supposedly involves the use of other manufactures samples on these
>cards and so the cards are supposed to be frozen until the case is resolved.

Our keyboardist ordered one of the PCM cards for his 01/W back in November.
He was almost ready to give up, when it suddenly arrived this week! So,
if you've been waiting for a card for your 01/W, it may be on the way...

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