HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cliffg@gjetor.geac.com (Cliff Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Vulnerability
Organization: Geac Canada Ltd.
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.015637.28179@samba.oit.unc.edu>
        Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) wrote:
>in our modern society where rape is prevalent,.....
                                     ^^^^|^^^^
                                         |------ ?!?!?!

First:  Apologies to the group at large for continuing an issue that
in all probability doesn't belong here.

You know I almost NEVER get involved in arguments of a political
nature but I really feel I must say something here.

I am getting sick and tired of mindless feminists of both the female
AND male variety uttering statements with very little substance.

            "RAPE IS PREVALENT!  RAPE PREVAILS!"

Oh puuhhlease.  Give us a god damn break once and for all.

Yes, rape exists.  No one doubts that.  But are we supposed to believe
that every woman has been, will be and is, at this very moment being
raped?  It may make for great rhetoric but it is hardly based in fact.

In future, please try to refrain from making pseudo-factual statments
(aren't they called factoids in alt.urban.folklore) at the expense
of real men everywhere.  On second thought, why don't you move this
discussion to alt.urban.folklore where it belongs.

Whewwww.  That feels better.  Thank you.

We now return you to your program, already in progress.
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers :-)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <21381@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jiang@cs.arizona.edu (Howard) writes:
>Watch a couple of National Geographic native specials, and let me know how you
>feel.

	I did this, but none of the polar bears or wombats had breasts...

	:-)

	Listen, you think I've never seen any or something?  What's your
point, anyway?
From: magicjohnson@Forum.L.A.com 
Subject: Re: Testing.....
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00417-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: magicjohnson@Forum.L.A.com
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:37:42 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: Being Naked in Canada
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:55:16 GMT
Keywords: laws, police harassment

In article <BtpFyz.5oD@ie.utoronto.ca> drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke) writes:
>I recently attended the Annual International Gathering of Gay Male Nudists.
>There were over 600 men attending.  It took place in a private summer camp
>in Pensylvania, and was a great experience.
>
>But it got me to thinking about similar events here in Canada, and I
>realised that I know nothing about Canadian laws regarding being naked in
>public places.  Near as I can tell, it's completely forbidden always.
>I think you can also be charged with "indecent exposure" for being naked in
>your own home.
>
>Anyone out there have any facts?
>
>	SpIke.

Basically, if someone sees you nude while that person is in a place they
would normally be, and they wouldn't normally be expecting to see nude
people, then you could be charged with indecent exposure.

That is an oversimplification but it kinda sums it up.

In other words, you could be charged if you were in your house standing
in front of an open window where passers by would see you.  You could
be charged if you were in your own backyard if people can see you from
other houses.

You wouldn't be charged if someone had to tresspass or go through unusual
efforts to see you.  You wouldn't be charged if you were someplace where
you are supposed to be nude (ie a locker room).

There are places where you can go nude.  There are some beaches which are
sometimes frequented by nudists and where you are not *usually* charged.
In Toronto, the foot of Warden and one of the beaches by the airport on
Toronto island.  There are also several clubs in the surrounding area.

-- 
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Stephane Deschenes     stephane@xrtll.uucp
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: nkraft@crash.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Subject: CO along the CA coast?
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Distribution: na
Date: 02 Sep 92 17:31:48 PDT

Hi folks!

My SO and I will be driving up the central CA coast this weekend,
and we were wondering about CO beaches and other coastal options
in the area between LA and San Francisco (exclusive). We plan to
hit the coast just north of Santa Barbara, and cruise a bit up
to San Simeon, and back. We're taking four days, and since we're
much more explorers than drivers, it'll take every day of it! :)

We're very familiar with the CO scene in southern California,
but do any of you have good CO beaches or other nature oriented 
sites to recommend a bit further north? Any good veggie restaurant
recommendations in the same area would be much appreciated as
well.

Thanks!!

Norm
From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: COED WASHROOMS
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:22:19 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>how come the washrooms are seperate

I drove Interstate 5 a few weeks ago and at the Rest Areas in the San
Joaquin Valley there were signs on the doors to the effect of:

"Members of the opposite sex may assist disabled persons to use the toilet
facilities".

I did not see any women in the men's toilet, but I can only assume that it
is possible.
-----
Lee Dronick
ProLine: leed@pro-harold
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-harold!leed
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Other places to be nude.
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:43:19 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <afischl.6547@meltdown.chi.il.us> afischl@meltdown.chi.il.us (Alex Fischl) writes:
>Hi,
>        Sorry to stop discussing sex here (yeah right) but I actually have a
>topic realting to nudity (and not sex) that I thought I would bring up.
>
>     Most of the discussions here seem to be about nude beaches and resorts. 
>Which is fine, there the most obvious places for nudsim to be an issue.  But a
>few people have already mentioned that that's not the only issue.
>
>     I read a article somebody cut out of a paper a few years ago that talks
>about somebody in California being pulled over by a cop, and being taken to
>court because he was driving without any clothes on.
>
>        He was aquitted, the judge decided that being in your car was like
>being in your house, your own property, and that "decency" standards didn't
>apply.
>
>     DOes anybody know if this decision still stands?  Could it be used in any
>other states?
>
>     I am interested because driving in the nude, late at night usually, is a
>lot of fun, and I have been doing it on nice nights for a couple of years now. 
>It completely differnt from being on the beach because you have changing
>scenery, and the feel of the wind on your body.  And if it rains, just close
>the window.  And even better, if it's too cold out to go to the beach (loike it
>is most of the time in the midwest) you can just turn the heater on.
>

Well, a friend of mine (female) and myself were doing this late at night
once, and it felt great until we got pulled over. (In the middle of
nowhere. Cops are crafty. :) Anyway, she got a slap-on-the-wrist fine, $50
I think. (She was driving.) I got nothing. (Hmmm...) We were asked to cover
up, and that was all. So just be careful out there! (Then again, this was
in North Carolina, in Jesse Helms country. Your mileage may vary.)

>    If wearing clothes at the beach doesn't make sense, the doesn't wearing
>clothes in the comfort of a climate controlled place like a car or apartmetn,
>whenre you don't even need cloths for protection against the elements
make even
>less sense?

Amen to that.

--mark

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: laura@vipunen.hut.fi (Laura Tiilikainen)
Subject: Re: Concerns of a New Nudist
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:01:13 GMT

In <17e91rINNrbq@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.200256.14156@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:


>>I wonder in Europe, for example, is there as much pressure for this "perfect"
>>body???

>Good question.  Any Europeans out there care to comment?

As I have noticed: not as much pressure is put on "perfect looks" in
Europe as in U.S.. Some fashion magazines with beautiful mannequins
tend to change the public attitude towards that of U.S., though, and
not to mention too many American TV series with those "Bold and
Beautiful"... 

			Laura
From: khockenbury@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu (Kurt M. Hockenbury)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Thanks!
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:49:51 GMT
Organization: Stevens Institute of Technology


	Well, this month has been pretty good to me: I managed to get a ride to
Sandy Hook this past weekend (thanks Lisa!), and had a great time at the beach.
I joined TNS earlier this month, and my copy of the World Guide arrived, along
with N 11.4 arrived yesterday.  Things look go for camping at Assateague next
month. 
	It was my second trip to Sandy Hook, and my first this year - the 
weather on weekends here in NJ has left much to be desired :-)  Warning to 
people who haven't been there - the FAQ instructions are ok, but when I went 
there, the road directly to lot G was closed, and you have to detour around to 
get to it.
	I guess what I want to say is "Thank You" to the people on this list. 
I've been reading r.n for about a year now, and have gotten much valuable 
insight and information from your postings.
	You're good people.
-kmh
From: mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Interesting (?) opinion :)
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:22:30 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.rec.nude:
25-Aug-92  Re: Interesting (?) opinion :) wharfie@unisql.UUCP (1244)        
>From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
>Subject: Re: Interesting (?) opinion :)
>Date: 25 Aug 92 15:09:38 GMT
> 

>	You've misinterpreted the situation.  The people on the rocks 
>*didn't* *care* *who* *was* *looking* and the poor neurotic boors across
>the way were expending their energy looking.  I certainly don't invite 
>people to anchor their boats offshore and stare at me with binoculars.  But
>they do it anyway and since my choice is swim with clothes or ignore them
>I ignore them.

Well, those poor neurotic boors were there by the hundreds and watched
every day and all day long -- (if they were always the same ones or
different ones, I have no idea.)  

But I have something else to let you know:  from inside the bay you can
rent a place on a cruise ship for a nude cruise of a few hours.  The
nudists going on the nude cruise are always admonished to keep at least
a bathing attire or a towel on while the ship passes through the channel
(on one side of which the oggling crowds keep their vigil.)   Well, what
do practically all the nudists do ?  They make a point of disregarding
the instructions (which in fact are the French LAW) and they take off
all their clothes WHILE passing through the narrow channel, to make sure
that the oggling crowds DO see them naked. 


>	In 20 years of social nudity I've never seen that kind of reaction.
>Things must be very very different in Europe...  I'd always thought they
>were different in the sense of being _less_ concerned with such nonsense,
>though...

Well, they ARE less concerned -- they just laugh it all off.  You don't.

                        (--:



=====================================================================
If the facts are against you, argue the law.
It the law is against you, argue the facts.
If the facts and the law are against you, yell like hell.

                                (MURPHY) 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: ORGASMS
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:15:19 GMT

>11mbruce@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>
>> Let's see some merging of the brains here. Tell me the names and the
>> descriptions of the various types of orgasms. I'm sure many of you nudists mu
>> have extensive knowledge in this part of the area as well. 
>> 
>> Mere

Where are we getting all these sex people from?  Please go back to your
own newsgroup.  You might start off another sex-on-the-beach-and-other
-public-places thread.  Nooooooooooooooooo!  :-)



-- 
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Stephane Deschenes     stephane@xrtll.uucp
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: hermit@am.ucsc.edu (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: CNN and Nudity
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:31:14
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
	<1992Aug22.005720.272@access.digex.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: bote@access.digex.com's message of 22 Aug 92 00:57:20 GMT

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
|bernier@mr4dec.enet.dec.com (WAYNE BERNIER) writes:
|>	FWIW...
|>	CNN (a cable station) has a show called Real Personal thats...
|>	Thats Real People on CNN , check your local paper/cable guide.
|
|The name changed pretty fast...and the other guy is right,
|it is CNBC, not CNN.
|
|They originally asked others, including Toni Egbert, to be
|on the show but she must have sensed some ulterior
|motive afoot when she declined. I'm glad to hear
|it went well. I'll try to catch it, but I don't
|think we have CNBC as part of our VideoCypher package
|at this site. Somebody in DC please tape it. Thanx in advance!

I would also like to get a copy of this.  I am in Santa Cruz, CA, but
the US Postal Service is an adequate, if slow, way of transmitting a
videotape.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: perlman@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
Subject: Phoenix, 1st timer
Reply-To: perlman@smtc00.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 20:37:45 GMT

I may be spending a week in Phoenix around October.  Any recommendations
for 1st timer (maybe) in that area?
From: jeff@sousa.ltn.dec.com (jeff bell)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: "Guide to Nude Recreation"
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:21:05 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA

dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer) writes:
>Does anyone know of anyplace in the Boston area that sells the
>"Guide to Nude Recreation"?  Or does it have to be mail order?
>I heard there was a fairly recent copy out.

The Map Store in Harvard Sq sometimes carries a guidebook titled Naturisme,
but it's in French, and it seems to mostly cover Europe.  If you feel
like agitating, you could probably persuade them or Wordsworth to
carry Baxandall's book.

Make sure to remind them how well the previous edition sold (~200,000 copies),
and that they'll be one of the few retail outlets for it.
-- 
-Jeff Bell                    "I guess that's why they call it code."
 jbell@danger.enet.dec.dom

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Andrew Patrick)
Subject: Re: Being Naked in Canada
Keywords: laws, police harassment
Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:44:08 GMT

In article <Btv5us.9Gs@ie.utoronto.ca> drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke) writes:
>I've heard from a friend in Ottawa that cops have been roving Meech Lake
>harassing the naked people, but only on weekdays when there aren't many
>around.

Last I heard, the cops were only bugging people who were pushing the
limits of what has been the traditional CO areas.  In particular, it
was people who were located near O'Brien house.  I don't think there
have been any problems at or near the ruins.  Unfortunately, those
areas have been under water most of this summer, so people have
ventured out to find drier ground.

Does anyone know any more?


-- 
Andrew Patrick, Ph.D.       Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, CANADA
                       andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.CA
                       
  For a good time, run "telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca" and login as "chat".
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jrogers@hercules.cis.udel.edu (James Rogers)
Subject: Assateague
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:21:08 GMT

There were a couple of recent posts about a CO area on Assateague Is.
(The thread has expired at my sight.)  I am wondering how current
the information is.  Not too long ago there was some discussion of the
Park Service `enforcing local laws'.  So what is the current status?
Also, is this area north or south of the road onto the island?
 Thanks,
  Jim Rogers
  jrogers@udel.edu
From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Regularly Posted Items In REC.NUDE
Summary: Summary of postings and schedule of FAQ postings
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:57:46 GMT
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!

These are the regular postings for REC.NUDE.  All are set to expire one month
after posting.  If your system expires them before that date, please contact
me and I will gladly e-mail any of these postings:

	REC.NUDE Frequently Asked Questions, Part I of II
		posted on the 1st of each month.
		Contains questions (and answers) to rec.nude's FAQ.
		Please read BEFORE posting to rec.nude for the first time!

	REC.NUDE Frequently Asked Questions, Part II of II
		posted on the 1st of each month.
		Contains information on how to find about about
		clothing-optional (CO) beaches, hot springs, and resort.
		Also includes information on organizations, publications,
		videos, and electronic media.

	Florida CO Areas
		posted on the 15th of each month.
		Contains map and listing of Florida CO areas and groups.

	Free Beach Etiquette
		posted on the 15th of each month.
		Contains "rules" of etiquette for CO beach and park users.

Other postings are being worked on (Nude Beach and Hot Springs FAQ - giving
directions to the most frequented (and frequently asked about) areas will be
the next one done).  I also have information on naturist/nudist Special
Interest Groups, clubs, and resorts that can be sent on request.

Yours, naturally
  Steve Pierce (steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us)
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Steve Pierce             Palm Bay
steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us     Florida
      Space Coast Naturists, PO Box 560086, Rockledge, FL 32956-0086
From: j_robert@oz.plymouth.edu (The Doctor)
Subject: Re: Vulnerability
Reply-To: j_robert@oz.plymouth.edu (The Doctor)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:10:30 GMT

In article <3565@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>3539@unisql.UUCP> <1992Aug29.010947.28571@gjetor.geac.com> <1992Aug29.190126.733@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
>Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
>In article <1992Aug29.190126.733@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> picl27@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu writes:
>later felt that she had been pressured to consent to".  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wonder where this puts many couples. Have you NEVER felt pressured
to have sex with your SO?

Jack..
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Disc. against singles esp. men (was Re: FIRST TIMER REPORT. )
From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:31:55 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Aug28.181340.2840@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>
>>	for a deluxe (havn't seen in one of these). Daily visiting
>>	rates are $20-men $15-women $20-couple. Annual membership is
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Or, perhaps, they are trying to encourage first:couples, second:single
women, third: single men...

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From: jiang@cs.arizona.edu (Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Breasts (hers :-)
Summary: boobs
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:49:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.035201.20345@wixer.cactus.org>, cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha) writes:
> In article <21381@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jiang@cs.arizona.edu (Howard) writes:
> >Watch a couple of National Geographic native specials, and let me know how you
> >feel.
> 
> ALready seen'em Howard.  They range in age from 0 to 100.  Some are 
> exciting, some aren't.  <ponders flaming Howard>  nevermind...

My point exactly. This guy was gettin' a little bit too overboard here. The
specials would be like a cold shower, or at least should have some of the same
effect.

Howard
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: root@cc.mcgill.ca (Steeve)
Subject: cancun beaches
Organization: McGill University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:56:24 GMT

I don't know specifically but a friend of mine was at a place
called Tulum (sp?) or something like that.  I think it's just
south of Cancun, but I could be wrong.

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Disc. against singles esp. men (was Re: FIRST TIMER REPORT. )
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:13:40 GMT

In article <9868@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:

>	for a deluxe (havn't seen in one of these). Daily visiting
>	rates are $20-men $15-women $20-couple. Annual membership is
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	$600-couple. Children are welcome at the camp and there are
>	play areas etc for them but nothing organized.

Clearly this club discriminates against single people, especially single
men, and having been a regular reader of this group for a little while,
I don't think this club is by any means unique.  I have two comments on
this:

1. As a single man, I don't know that I feel such discrimination should be
legal.

2. But what I'm more interested in is the claim oft made in this newsgroup
that nudists tend to be a less leering crowd;  less concerned with the body
beautiful;  that going to a nude resort is a less horny experience than
going to the textile equivalent or whatever.  But it seems to me that you
people are excluding the part of the population most likely to be "on the
prowl"--namely singles and especially single men.  Then you are claiming that
it is nudity which results in the more relaxed approach to the human body.

I say that another possibility needs to be considered--that it is the careful
selection of participants which results in the more relaxed approach, and that
the nudism has little to do with it.

Another related point:  you folks say there are fewer young people on nude
beaches because young people are less comfortable with their bodies.  Maybe
so, but in catering to couples, one needs to realize that young people are
more likely to be single, and older people are more likely to be married or
in long-term relationships, so again there's a selection process involved.

Comments?
-- 
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ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu |  when he could have lived life to the full and
HOME: (415) 497-1629       |  been forgiven at the end of it all anyway?"
WORK: (415) 725-3859       |         --David Merritt, a.k.a. THE RED SHARK