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From: spe@coos.dartmouth.edu (Robert W. Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Great Skate in Buffalo
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:29:20 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

What's happened to Great Skate over the last two years?  Before I left
Rochester, NY to head west to California, I stopped at Great Skate to
get outfitted for the hockey I'd be playing out here.  They were
incredibly helpful in making sure I get the best equipment at the best
price for my level of play.  I was pretty happy.

This past August I was back in Rochester and I made a trip to Great
Skate to buy a new pair of skates.  I tried some skates and decided on
a pair.  They sharpened the skates while I waited and brought the box
to the front counter where I paid for them.  I carried them out and
went home.  Shortly after arriving home, I went to show my brother the
new skates.  I was surprised to find not only two different sized
skates, but they were both left-footed.  I called Great Skate and
explained what happened.  They coulnd't believe that I didn't check
the box before I left.  They then indicated I would have to drive
back.  I explained why this wasn't feasible since I was leaving the
next morning.  They said they could do nothing until I sent back the
skates.  Ok, I paid another $6 to mail the skates back.  After two
weeks with nothing to show for the money I'd spent, I called up Great
Skate.  They indicated they never received the box.  After a mail
trace showed that the box had indeed been delivered, they admitted
that they had put the skates back in stock.  Even though a note had
been included with the skates explaining the situation, they needed to
know again what size skates I had wanted.  When I called back, the
woman on the phone was just as rude as when I had first called for
directions before this tormented journey began, just as rude as when I
called back to explain the problem, and equally rude when I called to
see if they had received my skates.

I guess my initial question is rhetoric in nature.  I just wanted to
share my experience with Great Skate with as many people as possible
since it is just about the only recourse I have other than getting a
credit on my VISA card and buying the skates elsewhere, which I did
and am going to do.

Feel free to pass this on to anyone you like.

Thanks,

-Scott Paterson
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Curiosity ?'s About Blade Design
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:07:53 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <jkaplenk.716049589@lucpul.it.luc.edu> jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:
> In <ABOULANG.92Sep8183803@kariba.bbn.com> aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep8.185920.3578@wdl.loral.com> zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes:
> 
> >     2.	There was nothing resembling toe picks on the blades.  I realize
> >	   that, when you are tooling down a road that has not been planed
> >	   by a Zamboni, toe picks might be asking for trouble, but might
> 
> >There was once a two-wheeled inline called Biskates that had a rotating
> >stopper that tried to emulate a toe pick.
> 
> Recently Roller Derby made a 3 wheel skate with a toe stop. They had two variations	
> that I am aware of. One had a bigger toe stop than the other. It also 
> came in black and white versions. Rainbo Sports in Chicago bought up a large
> portion of their  supply. Roller Derby  had 2000 left that
> didn't  sell. I plan on experimenting with a pair that has the frames
> put on some decent Riedell boots.  The boot is junk but the frame
> is okay.  I suspect the toe stop will probably be too high though and
> will require some modification since the toe stops are designed  for
> just stopping, opposed to jumping, like in artistic quads or 
> ice skating.

One model was apparently intended as a street-hockey skate, the other as a
general purpose in-line that might appeal to skaters used to the idea of
a toe stop or be considered accpetable to "no in-lines" rinks.

The fundamental problem here is that Roller Derby is best known for toy and
low-end discount store skates and probably had/has little chance of starting
a serious trend, even assuming that toe-stop in-line skates are in some
way superior.

> Bauer and Riedell among others are also working on inlines with toe stops 	
> for  artistic moves. No one's talking details about their plans according
> to someone that	recently attended a sports hardware show in Chicago and
> discussed this with them. It's still in the testing phases.
> 

I supspect this status was equally true a year or two ago.  It would be most
interesting if some form of inline turned up in serious/competitive indoor
skating, but it hasn't happened yet.

From what I've seen the penetration of in-lines in the indoor skating scene
is still quite limited.  In-lines *are* popular in the < 16 age groups, but
indoor speed skates dominate in the 16-20's range and classic high-boot skates
are still the most popular with the "adult" skaters.  There is probably a
greater percentage of in-line skates in the indoor roller hockey area, but
I've only seen this in a relatively informal context where the players just
use whatever skates they're used to.

This may change as more outdoor/in-line skaters explore rink skating, but I
haven't really noticed whether the adult in-line skaters I've seen indoors
eventually switch to conventional skates or simply try it and go away.
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skating in Hong Kong & China
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:41:07 GMT
	<1992Sep8.144020.17837@umbc3.umbc.edu>
	<1992Sep8.185241.26913@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com's message of 8 Sep 92 18:52:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.185241.26913@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com
(Dan Lam) writes:

   Do most of you skate in open spaces?  I have to fight with bikers and
   joggers for space  where I skate.

I almost exclusively skate indoors.

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
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From: harbour@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Susan Harbour)
Subject: Looking for Roller Rinks in San Antonio, Tx.
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:11:40 GMT

Hi,
	Okay, yet another business trip coming up....

	I have to go to San Antonio around the end of October.
I'm looking for indoor roller rinks in that area.....

	You can email to me at:

	harbour@mervax.sanders.lockheed.com

Thanks in advance!

Susan
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Pre-race conditioning?
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:57:03 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <STEINMAN.92Sep1091444@hawk.is.morgan.com> steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:
> I'm rather displeased with the way skate races are held.
...
> BTW: I have Slalomblades -- basically Lightnings with five wheels and
> stiffer frames. Are these "recreational" skates, or "racing" skates?

Well, maybe "sport" or "performance" skates, to use skiing argot.  They
are certainly not competitive racing skates, but they have some of
the apearance and properties of racing skates compromised with the
utility and affordable price of your everyday in-line skates.

A competitive racing skate seems to require a lightweight metal frame,
big wheels and a leather racing boot.

Whether such would do you any good or not would really depend on how
much time you are willing to devote to serious race training.  If you
mostly skate "for fun" with occasional citizen races, why bother?

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From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Skating in Hong Kong & China
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:41:20 GMT
Keywords: inline skating, Hong Kong, China

In article <1992Sep8.082117.12997@newsgate.sps.mot.com> bill@nextoy (Bill Schell) writes:
>ladies, gents, and other assorted roller/inline skating hangers-on:
>
>R U Interested a Trip to Hong Kong and China (Guagzhou / Guangdong  
>Province) in Early November, for a 5 to 10 day shopping /  
>roller-blading (yes, I KNOW it's a trademark - just like  
>"windsurfing") - give me a break!)...

Sounds like a good idea but do you think the roads in China are realy
"Bladable"?  I don't know about the shopping part but I would definitely
be interested if I can windsurf there instead of shopping.

Please send me details.  Sorry some how email did not work earlier.
(hope there is a blading session in Tienanman Square)

-Dan

danl@comm.mot.com or lam@popeye.comm.mot.com
>


--

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From: kimon@holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: Pre-race conditioning?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:28:56 GMT

gn@terminus.gatech.edu (toM o. genesE) writes:

>In article <Btz619.KC8@iat.holonet.net> kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:
>!
>!I would think that they would have too much ankle support and too heavy to
>!be considered a competitive racing skate.
>!

>I am not sure what you mean by "too much" support for ankles.  Will
>this cause pain or irritation during an intensive (or prolonged) race?
>Or do you mean there would be a problem in achieving optimal stride
>form?

Perhaps too much ankle support is not specific enough-- after all Bonts have
more ankle support than most major cities.  The problem is the ankle support
on a skate like a lightning is too high and not only interferes with your
stride, but prevents you from switching and balancing on your outside and
inside edge.

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimn@holonet.net
From: bhays@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Brenda Hays)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:59:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to blade in South Bay Area?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skate

On Wednesday nights there is a large group of people who skate on
the Stanford campus.  I've not been able to go, yet, but a couple
of friends say that when they've gone that there are about 50-60
skaters who go all over the campus.  They skate from one spot to the
next spot.  They do tricks on the steps as they wait for all the
skaters to catch up.  It sounds like fun and I hope to go soon.

-Bren

 

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From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: FAQ consolidation?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:36:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Hi folks.  About time for another round of FAQ reposting.  The list of FAQ
type files is getting kind of long, especially for a low-volume group such
as rec.skate (low-volume but high signal-noise ratio thank goodness 8-)
Off the top of my head, we've got:

1) Stopping FAQ
2) bearings FAQ
3) general rec.skate FAQ
4) reviews of skates (compilation)
5) Thomas' hockey FAQ
6) Nancy's hockey stick file (not exactly a FAQ file, but...)
7) Phil's 3rd party add-ons file (hasn't been reposted for a long time)
8) wheels FAQ (mine, but haven't really needed to post yet)
9) Skating places (compilation)
10) mail-order listing

Maybe it's about time we combine them into one or two main FAQ files, like:
  1) How-to/FYI section
      - stopping
      - bearing maint.
      - general 
      - wheels
      - skating places
      - hockey/hockey stick
  2) Products/Reviews section
      - skate reviews
      - 3rd party add-ons
      - mail-order

Then the next order of business would be to cross-post to news.answers so
that the FAQs would be on hand much longer so everyone gets a chance to 
find them.  For the time being, if anyone would like copies of any of the
files, just drop me a note.

-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
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From: bill@nextoy.sps.mot.com (Bill Schell)
Subject: Skating in Hong Kong & China (from originator)
Reply-To: bill@nextasy.attmail.com
Organization: SPS
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:44:38 GMT

For those who wrote back to postings, instead of to me directly:

1.) hotel in HKG would be 100 yds from a loop of apx 40 km of bike  
paths - all great for blading - machine finished asphalt

2.) just came back from Guangzhou - this is China - they ride bikes -  
that means bike paths -  trust me

3.) windsurfing possible in HKG in November - depends on wind /  
typhoons

4.) we also (illegally) skate in under-ground & multi-storey car  
parks when it rains in the jan - mar time-frame


Again, please write to: bill@nextasy.attmail.com (primary) or
bill@nextoy.sps.mot.com 
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From: gn@cc.gatech.edu (toM o. genesE)
Subject: Bauer XR/10's For Sale
Reply-To: gn@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:09:16 GMT


  I have a pair of Bauer XR/10's for sale.  They've only been skated
on twice.  Here is a description of the skates:

	Size 12
	5 wheel distance skate
	Stiff, laced, low cut shell (polyurethane)
	Zanstra 6000 frame and brake
	Hyper 76mm/78A Superlite wheels (frame will take 80mm)
	GMN ABEC3 bearings

  I asked a friend to purchase these skates for me in California, as
they were scarce on the East coast.  Unfortunately he sent the wrong
size, and having skated on them I cannot return them.  I'm asking $225
for the skates.

  Please respond via email.
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From: hall@graffias.cs.umbc.edu (Marty Hall)
Subject: Re: Wheels & Such...
Organization: AAI Corp AI Lab, UMBC CS Department
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:24:27 GMT


> jnewborn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Gadget) writes:
>!Anyone have the going rates on wheels for inlines? [...]

gn@terminus.gatech.edu (toM o. genesE) replies:
>Keep
>in mind that if you buy your wheels from your skate shop, you get them
>immediately while you may end up waiting close to a month for mail
>ordered wheels [...]

I have not had the same experience. The two times I ordered from InLine
USA I got my wheels within the week, and I live on the east coast. The
one time I ordered anything from Roll with It, I *think* I also got my
order within the week. I had a small sample size, so I may have just
been fortunate...
					- Marty
(setf (need-p 'disclaimer) NIL)

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From: kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:14:16 GMT

In article <1685C138D5.ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU writes:
>PLEASE! SOMEONE SEND ME INFO FOR INLINE MAGAZINE! I posted before but no one ha
>s responded! I dont know where to get the FAQ stuff.
> 


Here is Inline Magazine address:
        1919 14th Street, Suite 421
        boulder, CO  80302
        (303) 440-5111 Fax: (303) 440-3313

Good Luck,

Kinsley Wong

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From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Roller Skating and the Village Voice
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:23:36
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com


I noticed two roller skating items of interest in the Sept 8 issue of
the Village Voice:

Lezly Dance & Skate School: Roller Skating lessions (including inlines).
622-626 B'way, 777-3232 pg 92

Roller skating auditions were held for female roller skaters for a
Foster's Lager Beer promotion (Sept 4th). pg 115


From the roller skating eye,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: Rockerable racing skates? (was Re: Curiosity ?'s About Blade Design)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 12:47:47 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <34947@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
[rockering]
>available in your area, most brands have this option, except for
>the cheapest and those intended for racing.  The skates should feel

Oddly, in Rollerblade's catalog, they list the Racerblade (or maybe the
ProBlade) as being rockerable!  Maybe a typo, or do they mean that the toe 
wheel height is adjustable or something?  Beats me.

>>   3.	I remember someone posting a list on this newsgroup about the
>> 	various ways of stopping.  Could someone mail a copy of that
>> 	list to me?
>
>I'm assuming Tony or someone will do this...

I'm in the midst of revamping the stopping FAQ due to some good feedback in
the past couple months, so I'll finish it up and post it in a few days.
Hope you can wait that long 8-)  If anyone wants a copy in Macintosh MSWord
format, lemme know.  I keep a compact-looking version for hardcopies.

-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
From: kimon@holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Anyone doing the Athens to Atlanta race?
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:01:42 GMT
Organization: HoloNet Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058

Its coming up on the 4th of next month, you know...

I'm gonna try my best to be there.  Everyone says its just
about the best distance race there is.  Mike Riddle put a new
pair of wheels on for last year's race, and said they still had
their seams after the 85 miles were over.

Its that smooth...

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: gn@terminus.gatech.edu (toM o. genesE)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Prices ... Crazy!
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:59:53 GMT

In article <1268@tekgen.bv.tek.com> brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
!
!In most products, mailorder is significantly cheaper
!than retail, but not in this catalog. The prices
!seemed to be the manufacturer's suggested retail
!price!
!

Some mail order shops do have the MSRP for skates, but if you call
them they may tell you that the price in the catalog is not the actual
sale price, which is usually significantly less.  But, don't forget to
ask about shipping costs and delays.

!
!Is this typical of all inline skate mailorder places?
!

Not at all.  Of course, inline mail order shops vary in size (stock)
and prices.  Some smaller shops will list their sale price, while some
larger shops will just pass along the prices they get from the
manufacturers.  It's best to call the various shops and ask.


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From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: 80 mm wheel on Aeroblade....
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:49:12 CDT

In article <C3m-TL+@engin.umich.edu> dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.234926.22763@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier) writes:
>>Yes, 80mm fit just fine. I have 82mm HyperGlides on my Aeros.
>
>Hey, they're making 82mm wheels now?  Just wondering, is there a specific
>reason to use these?
>
>-Tony Chen
> adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu

Quite simply, they are a hell of alot faster. 
Note: Brake modification is required for wheels bigger than 80mm on Aero-
blades.

-Chris


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From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: Re: Anyone doing the Athens to Atlanta race?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:55:10 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BuEB6v.DL1@iat.holonet.net> kimon@holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:
>Its coming up on the 4th of next month, you know...
>
>I'm gonna try my best to be there.  Everyone says its just
>about the best distance race there is.  Mike Riddle put a new
>pair of wheels on for last year's race, and said they still had
>their seams after the 85 miles were over.
>
>Its that smooth...

Oh man, don't say that.  Now I want to go 8-) Does anyone know if they have 
a long-distance race in the midwest?  I wish I could afford to fly out
to all the great long-distance races they have on both coasts...

-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
From: betsy@sybase.com (Betsy Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: PLEASE!
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:00:23 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1685C138D5.ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU writes:
>PLEASE! SOMEONE SEND ME INFO FOR INLINE MAGAZINE! I posted before but no one ha
>s responded! I dont know where to get the FAQ stuff.
> 

The Address for In-Line Mag is:

	In-Line Magazine
	2025 Pearl Street
	Boulder, Colorado 80302
 
Another good skating magazine is Speed Skating Times. The writing in
speed skating times, I think, is superior to In-line. My husband
and I usually read speed skating times from cover-to-cover. The articles
are written by racers and it covers up-comming races.

	Speed Skating Times
	2910 North East 11th Ave
	Pompano Beach, Fl 33064

betsy
From: mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: New skater asks ...
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:25:34 GMT
Reply-To: mpeters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Michael Peters)
Distribution: usa
Organization: WIN Management Services - Dayton, OH

>I have a question that I am sure will open a real can of worms: My friend has f
>or sale a pair of Rollerblade Bladerunners. I can get these fairly cheap (less
>than $80). What should be a concern besides boot comfort? For this price I can
>upgrade them but what wheels will fit? Any pro/cons welcome. I plan to get the
>upgrade stuff from Hudson Bay Inline...Thanks in advance.

My son has a pair of Bladerunners and I'm considering installing the original
wheels that came off of my Lightnings.  I had replaced the 70mm Rollerblade/
Kryptonic wheels with 72mm Hypers.  You could install 70-72mm wheels, but
with a slight modification.

The Bladerunner uses an 8mm or 5/16" bolt for the axle,
so the holes in the frames will be too big to use the smaller
axle bolt (1/4") used on better recreational skates.  The Bladerunner wheels
do not have removable 608 bearings, so they do not have the nylon or aluminum
bearing spacer that slips into the 8mm bearing hole.  When installing the
new wheels, you probably will use 608 bearings with bearing spacer, which
will require that you use the smaller axle.  An easy way to make this work
is to cut the ends off of nylon bearing spacers, that a lot of people replace
with aluminum ones, and use this material as a bushing to fill the gap
in the larger holes in the frames.

My recommendation is to buy some used Rollerblade Lightnings.  If you do not
have the wheels, bearings, and axles already, you will sink much more than
$100 (skates and all), probably closer to $125.  You might be able to find
last years Lightning model for that price (new), and you would have a much
better liner and sturdier frame.
-- 
Michael Peters
WIN Management Services
Michael.Peters@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!wtcd!mpeters
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