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From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Samyvellu and MIC
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:16:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.BvELFD.D8J
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

In article <1992Sep28.145723.59240@cc.usu.edu>, fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.192023.25343@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> > 
> 	A little premature is the understatement of the decade.  Samyvellu
> is the epitome of corruptions in Malaysia.  When he was the minister of
> transportation, he was nicknamed 'Mr. 5 percent'.   It means, he will collect
> 5% on every major project/transaction in the ministry.


 By the way, he is also well known as Mr. Toll.


> 	He admitted he owns two houses in Australia.  He is a member of
> parliment from my hometown Sg. Siput.  It is no secret to local residents 
> that he has a mistress there.   He also bought her a house and a 
> proton saga (that guy is cheap !).  
> 	It really enrages me when I see that the majority of the indian 
> community are destitute, and this guy is reaping all the 'fringe benefits'
> in the name of helping his people.   What makes it so sad is that there is
> not a damm thing we can do.
> 
> 
> Jack Teh  
> 	
 Besides those two houses, he also owns a big farm in Australia. He
employed few local people to work on his farm. 

 What makes me mad is, everytime when someone questions him about the
politics, he will play a dirty game. Either he reviels their profile to
the public or he will send some of his "body guards" to take care of
them. 

Maybe I should go home and form MAFIA kind of organization to eliminate
people like him and clean up the politics arean back home.. Just
kidding. There is not whole lot we can do or the indian community can
do because he has a very strong gang behind him all the time and most
of them are corrupted too.


        "Holy father - Holy ghost"
     Who is the one that hurts you most !!.


Geeva Subramaniam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Malay songs.
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:59:58 GMT


In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:

[gulp-gulp]

>	I lost some of my cassettes in the process of moving couple of years
>ago. So, if anyone out there can do me this favor, I'll very much
>appreciated. I'll send you the cassettes and return postage or which ever
>way you prefer.
>	Thanks again.

Awww.....this would add up to audio piracy, no ???


ATAN

>You can reply to me at:
>Internet:subraman@andy.bgsu.edu
>Bitnet:GSUBRAM@opie.bgsu.edu
>
>Geeva Subramaniam
>:) smile always
>
>
> 
>
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Cheap Airfare from LA to Singapore
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:28:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <2AC72785.18987@news.service.uci.edu>

This $600 fare is also available on United Airline and Northwest.
What more you can get milage on United and Northwest, roughly
17,000, which is 3000 miles short of a domestic ticket. So a
great deal.

Catch is you have to buy ticket by 30th of Sept.

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: USA: E. Timor at "The Discovery Channel" - 5: 00PM (EST)
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:30:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.193753.17756@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep28.223412.16771@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh) writes:
> 
> 	[some stuff deleted]


> E.C. AND ASEAN SEEK CLOSER TIES DESPITE PORTUGUESE OPPOSITION
>  
> BRUSSELS (SEPT. 30) DPA - The European Community and Association 
> of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) have promised to push ahead 
> with plans for closer economic and political ties despite Portugal's 
> decision to block talks for a new E.C.-Asean cooperation pact. 

(stuff deleted)
 
> Portuguese Foreign Minister Joao de Deus Pinheiro told the E.C. in 
> July that he would only agree to negotiations for a new pact with 
> ASEAN if Indonesia opened direct talks with Lisbon on the future of 
> East Timor.

For a country which colonised Timor for 350 years for the purpose of
economic exploitation, Portugal sure has a lot to say about the future
of East Timor.

Edmund
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysian Internet Confirmed End 92
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:57:31 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Extracted from mail of:
From mal@rangkom.MY Thu Sep 17 11:32:31 1992
Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP 
	(5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA06935; Wed, 16 Sep 92 23:32:19 -0400
Received: from rangkom.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL
	(queueing-rmail) id 233142.14285; Wed, 16 Sep 1992 23:31:42 EDT
Received: by rangkom.MY (5.60/5.9) Thu, 17 Sep 92 08:45:03 MYT
From: Mohamed AwangLah <mal@rangkom.MY>
<stuff deleted>
Just to let you know that our 64k line to Internet is now
confirmed.  It should be operational by end of this year.

TELEKOM MALAYSIA offers "Telemail", an X400 based e-mail system. I do not know
how to link to Internet. The standard software appears to be written by
Microsoft but it is clumsy compared to elm or even mail in unix and vms.

Any information on how to do that is most appreciated.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: cwong@cs.cornell.edu (Christopher Yoong-Meng Wong)
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:12:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.171100.3422@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.185626.24209@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>> 
>> BTW: I've received a couple of emails from other people on
>>      the topic of food. Anybody interested in recipes???
>> 
>	All together now.... ***YESSSS!!!!***  Come on, don't tease us like 

What we *really* need is recipies that can be done overseas. Try looking 
for assam in Ithaca, NY :-(. Fact is, certain "authentic" M'sian foods are
almost unmanageble here, doing it the "right" way. How good are you guys/gals
in improvising? 

Chris


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:40:18 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
: I understand the "walk" up Mt Kinabalu is guided.  Does anybody know if
: I am allowed to climb the mountain without a guide babysitting me?

You can but you may not get the "certificate" because it has to be verified 
by the guide. There are also a lot of people who got lost and never to be
found.
: >the ascent but you will get cold when you want to view from the peak and do
: >some other stupid things like putting your signatures at a book.
: 
: That's not too cold.  You won't freeze if the air is 5degrees C.  
: You might get hypothermia, but you will certainly not freeze.  People 
: jog in shorts and T-shirts every morning in Christchurch, even when
Only if you are on motion all the time like the football players. But I
did indicate that you may "feel" frozen if you are at the peak.

: the temperature is sub-zero.  My definition of cold is a wind chill 
: factor of -20degrees C, snowing heavily in white out conditions.  :).
Maybe that is what you get with the wind at the peak.

	If you do not believe me, why don't you try?
: 
: This is an interesting fact.  Where did you read this from?
From Sabah newspapers which actually quoted one biologist or something.
: 
: >There is a hot spring at Poring, near Mt. Kinabalu. After the ascent, it may
: >be nice to have a hot bath there.
: 
: Are there any other geo-thermal attractions in Sabah?

What is that? Do you mean gushing steam? Maybe you can get the effect at
poring but it was controlled there.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Test Sent
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:53:43 GMT
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <1992Sep29.033521.9116@news.Hawaii.Edu>, guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang) writes:
$ Sender	: ZHANG Guiyu
$ 	: CHANG Kui Yu
$ 	: Julian 
$ 	
$ School	: Nanyang Pri
$ 	  CHS
$ 	  HCJC
$ 	  NTU
$ 	  UH
$  
$ 
$ 


  Your message get it to the board but users on the Internet are
unable to reply to you through email as the "From" line does
not have fully qulify Internet address(From: guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang))
You might want to talk to your system adminstrator to get it fix.

  
"Old boy" of CHS and HCJC,



-- 
Hock-Koon Lim, Information Network services
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA  44106   
(216) 368-2982        lim@ins.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg (YONG KUEN FATT ALAN)
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Reply-To: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg
Organization: Dept of EE, National Uni of Singapore
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:52:54 GMT

G'day,

The area that I live in is not affected by the blackout (there was
electircity). However my CTV went kaput around that time. I cant
give the exect time though. When the repair man came, he found
out that the transformer was at fault. He just changed it. I
suspect this is due to the power surge during the blackout (after,
while powering up backup?). Are there CTVs out there that suffer
the same fate as mine? I wonder if this is enough circumstantial
evidance to sue the PUB for damages ;-)?

Alan

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From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:23:14 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
 
> Is it true that there is a law against wearing dirty 
> underwear in your advanced country too?  Or for allowing 
> your dick to hang on the wrong side of your zipper? 
 
My culture and upbringing dictates that I should respect other 
people's opinions. But I also expect other people to do 
likewise, especially when they tread on my country's name. 
Propriety does not permit me to use vulgarity on this 
newsgroup, though I'd very much like to tell Mr Godfrey here to 
F&%K S@ID*R. You know Mr Godfrey, while there are no fines 
right now for the offences you named, you'd better be careful. 
Because if you do one day have the misfortune (ours, of 
course) to land at Changi International Airport, the Airport 
police will be mobilized just to check on your pants. If I 
were you, I'd start wearing baggy pants.       
 
 
--Vic
 
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v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: jsc54790@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jocelyn S. Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: NUS/NTU stuff
Keywords: NUS..NTU
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:22:43 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

chaojira@fraser.sfu.ca (Viboon Chaojirapant) writes:

>            Hi, I have read the posts on NUS/NTU e-mail, but feel that they
>didn't answer my personal questions. The questions (concerning NTU) are: 

>   1) Can a NTU undergrad SEND an email out of Singapore?

>   2) Students are given account numbers for login purposes, but can these
>      same account numbers be used to login to UNIX account? (to do the
>      talk functions)

>   3) I have tried telnet to ntu.ac.sg but cant get in, so is there any
>      sort of anonymous or guest login?

>            Answers to these questions will be appreciated. Thanks in 
>advance. =)  


1) Yes! an NTU undergrad CAn send email to the US from S'pore

2) Yes! they are able to invoke a talk function.

3) For me, I have been able to telnet, but since I don't have an account,
   I've not actually logged in. You might want to try ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg

 
Just me...JOCELYN
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jocelyn Chong (Email : jsc54790@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign  

	What work I have done I have done because it has been play.
	If it had been work I shouldn't have done it.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( was: UM )
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:56:29 GMT

mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
: some 'connections'. As for the private scholarships advertised
: like Bank Bumi, MTC, & some other foundations, the non-bumi's
: have a better chance, but still extremely limited. 
: But even then many of them are marked
: for BUMI'S ONLY !!!!
: In conclusion, 4A's or 5A's do not mean much anymore for
: the non-BUMI's.They would still secure a place in local uni's
: but not a scholarship from JBA even if you sleep outside the 

You seem to think that only JPA offers scholarships. It is therefore obvious
to me that you have not bothered to even apply because of your biased views.
Reread my posts and try to understand them.

: JBA office !!!!!!

Right, you will never get any scholarship now, even if you are a bumi with
very good results such as 4A because they only give loans.
	No point in sleeping outside because they can only allow people to
apply once it is advertised in National newspapers( I do not know which one)
for one day.
	Remember that there are a few national newspapers. You must be able
to monitor all of them.
	I recall a long time ago that there was actually a JPA advertisement
in one newspaper which I picked up accidentally.
	I also have a chinese couple who got JPA scholarships and graduated
in 1990, so I'm not just taliking about 1970s. Most of my experiences are in
the 80s.
	JPA has many study assistance programs but they are meant for people
who do not have the means. Since most chinese have the means, they are able
to support themselves overseas. Facts show better than arguments.
	I know the standard arguments that you can throw at me but let me
just quote to you some "facts":

chinese who can afford to have a mercedes benzes in UK still consider themselves
as poor, and I'm discounting others who can afford to buy other cars,

hawkers need not be the poorest, especially chinese hawkers. In fact even Malay
hawkers are known to be among the richest of Malays not the government 
servents.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: koh@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Liang Seng Koh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: question
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:37:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: turtle.9209301837.AA12481
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


Could somebody tell me whether US accounting degree is recognised in
Singapore >

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: testing
From: cwchew@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:33:51 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks
Summary: testing

This is just a test. Please ignore it.

                                Thank you!

filename : POST_NEWS_21E03686.TMP
Nodename : cwchew@twsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
From: akoh@convex.com (Allan Koh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Architect needed in China
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:57:23 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


   Requirements are to be conversant in Chinese and have industry experience.
Knowledge of business conditions in the Pacific Rim, particularly Singapore
will be a plus.  Initial posting will be in China.  The hiring company is a
construction company based in Dallas.

   If you know of anyone interested and fitting the requirements, please
email me.  The President of the company is a friend of mine and I am just
helping him to locate the right person.
From: am4z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Afizal Mustapa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:07:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gemR2bm00Vp5MLi10K
	<1992Sep29.031224.3774@cs.cornell.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


*** WOW.... FOOD!!! ***
Now you're talking my language....

Sorry to hear that some places it is hard to get assam, like Ithaca. 
Here in Pittsburgh, things are kinda easy to get since there's an Asean
shop nearby selling Asean goodies (of course... what else, right?). But
you can always use ordinary milk instead of santan/coconut milk, but
assam.....

Anyway, looking forward to get some new recipies.... Frying,  making
curry, kurma (don't think there's a translation for this one) , kicap
(nor this one too), and masak lemak pedas ('cooking hot fat'???) almost
everyday is kinda boring.

So, let get out the red carpet and welcome the recipies!!!!



Afizal Mustapa,
Carnegie Mellon University,
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

There's a very thin line that separates one from being a kid, or being
an adult. Glad I'm an adult now. *smile*

	        [ And now, for some Disney's Afternoon cartoons....]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Places to go (Was Re: Environment - 
From: Ming_Lim@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ming Lim)
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:25:26 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

> How many of you are aware of the hot spring at "setapak". It could be as  
> good as the one at "poring", if only it were developed.  
  
I think you will be very much disgusted if you go to the Setapak Hot  
Springs. Some Japs or some body have built some kind of condo around it  
spoiling the entire place.  
Incidently, Blue Lagoon in Port Dickson used to be a fantastic place to  
have a day off, Beautiful blue calm water with Weeping willow trees all  
along the beach. I went there some 3 years ago, some joker cut down all  
the trees and built a condo terrace along the beach, that place is  
terrible now. That blueish water is gone replace with a dirty dish water  
look to it. That place is pretty stuffed now. Now I used to at Templer's  
park, or what ever they are calling it nowadays, clean water etc, now  
rubbish every where It is really sad to see all these place going to  
shits.  
  
Ming.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kc@ee.umr.edu (Kok Ching Ong)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:25:23 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Oct6.110231.13089@phillip.edu.au> t9114206@phillip.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.084147.25129@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:
>> Hello, the fine for not flushing toilets is $150, not $1000 as reported
>> in the previous article.
>> 
>Just wondering ! How do they know if you haven,t flushed the toilet ?
>Do they have a security camera hiddened somewhere ??????? 
>
>K.K

Well, I did see a picture on Overseas ST Weekly some time ago.  The picture
showed a man leaving a toilet.  The caption           
basically says something to the effect that the (poor) guy left the 
toilet without flushing it.  

I wonder if such cameras are installed in all the public toilets.  Also, 
who are the ones who will be viewing  the video.  Are women also keeping a 
lookout in men's toilet?  If so, I wonder if we can sue for "outrage of 
modesty" ? :)  What if these tapes fall into the wrong hands ?  One
may end up on some XXX video entitled "1001 willies" without realizing it.
Perhaps, one should avoid public toilets. :( 

It really seems too much that big brother, and some big or small sister are 
watching public toilets.  Imagine putting that on a resume...

Has the opposition party said anything about this issue?      
-- 
Kok-Ching Ong                   | Disclaimer : the usual
Internet: kc@ee.umr.edu         | 
Bitnet  : s098621@umrvma        |
             ... to seek peace and contentment.
From: mmaiseh@cs.arizona.edu (Maszeri Maiseh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Summary: gula melaka
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:55:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.085123.16546@bnr.uk>, bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:
> I enjoyed the listing on food. Made me VERY homesick though. The best
> cendol ever though must be from K.P (Kuala Pilah) where this mamak makes
> his own cendol (chunky, tasty stuff) and uses gula anau instead of the weak
                                                                     ^^^^^^^^
> gula Melaka.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't think so..!!!

> 
> Anyway, the news tidbits was greatly appreciated. Keep it up please!
> 
> I also happen to think all this military crap is nothing but a bit of "boys

 < deleted ...too much girlish stuffs :)) >

-mazri
From: chrisw@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: INFO on Free West Papua Movement needed
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:17:22 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

I am researching the Free West Papua movement (OPM) and I would like any 
information that is available on the topic.
	Please E-Mail me, 
		Thanks
				Chris (chrisw@yang.earlham.edu)
From: s897460@rubicon (Alicia Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: TAR College E-Mail Address
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:56:55 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: rubicon.bf.rmit.oz.au


Requires the E-mail address of Tengku Abdul Rahman College
in Kuala Lumpur, if they have any internet.  Thanks !

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