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Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
From: kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 19:57:01 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Oct2.173036.8021@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>Yo, what up K-M?
>
>   Yes, Kriss Kross do have tutors, though one of them is kind of hoody and
>never does any work; usually finds his way out of it (this from a summer issue
>of The Hip Hop Connection, HHC, a English Hip Hop Mag; come on by and pick it
>up sometime).  None respect to Kriss Kross, ABC, and the likes.  Not for their
>not writing their own lyrics (The Real Roxanne doesn't either, but, she's booty
>too, huh?), not for their not producing their own beats (a lot of hip hoppers
>don't or shouldn't ie. Kane, Master Ace, etc.), but for the styles they are
>doing and for being programmed robots for their producers.  It seems these kids
>have no real talent.  The producers write the lyrics, make the beats, say wear
>this, act like this, etc, etc, etc.  It's like a combination.  Even somebody
>like the Real Roxanne, who had Chubb Rock write her lyrics and produce the 
>beats, had input on what she wanted her songs to be about, how she wanted
>everything to come of, etc.  Besides what the parents take, I wonder how much
>money the writer/producers like Michael Bivins gets, especially since they did
>everything but get out there and recite.  Respect to Chi-Ali for being
>Chi-Ali, who should be around for a bit since he has a persona of his own.
>
>                                                    T-Dub
>                                                    SHYGUY productions

Why everyone trippin' off ABC.  (I do agree KK is wack cause they front a
role).  ABC does write some of their own lyrics , SpiderMan, also their just
kids at this point and guidance could only help them later (Ala New Edition
became the virtually self contained stars they are now, even though they
don't write and produce most of their own stuff).  If anybody would turn
down a shot to let Biv produce em and write their stuff, but you
yourselves got paid and got your own album you'd be a fool.  

TLC is another example I believe of a solid R&B group.  I don't know why
people can't understand they are different from Cube, 2Pac, PE, and the
such.  I don't hear people dissin' Guy when they dropped Groove Me or Boyz
2 Men when they dropped Motown Philly or Bobby Brown when he drops just
about any of his dance jams.  TLC doesn't front hardcore Rap nor do they rap
it or make any implicit jabs that they are such.  Why is it that everything
that's black have to be hardcore?  I think our culture is a bit more diverse
than this.

                                                 -----------------> KSG
From: z3kpw@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("Wheeler, Kevin")
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: New School/Old School
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:55:00 GMT

Hmm.  From all that I've heard and read, Run-DMC became the first of the
New School when they dropped the "It's Like That/Sucker MCs" single in '83.
Before that, hip-hop was all about fairly soft rhyming over disco and funk
tracks.  Run-DMCs new style was hollering over hard phat beats... and
at the same time, they became the first hardcore hip-hop crew.
They were also doing the pro-black consciousness thing way before PE.
It's important that Run-DMC be given props for all they've done in hip-hop,
especially since a lot of new jacks seem to think PE is the first and last
word in hardcore.
I think the term "New School" was coined by them in "King of Rock" with the
line "It's all brand new, never ever Old School" ('85) but I'm not real sure
about that.
If you can dig up some old Keyboard magazines, in the interviews with
Chuck D he gives credit to Run-DMC and Jam Master Jay for starting the
hardcore sound.

---
Whodini!  Somebody mentioned Whodini!  I was lucky enough to see them
on the Def Jam Tour '87 after _Back in Black_ came out and before they
shot themselves in the foot with _Open Sesame_.  "Escape," "Echo Scratch,"
and "Last Night (I Had a Long Talk W/Myself)" are still some of my
all-time favorite hip-hop songs.  The bassline in "Last Night..." is...
it's perfect.  I'm awed.  Anybody else still like old Whodini stuff?
Their "comeback" album last year was a big disappointment though; just bad
R&B.

Kevin Wheeler
who still proudly wears his Run-DMC t-shirts...

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From: c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly)
Subject: Re: Music
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:21:15 GMT

     Those are some good groups, but X-Clan? Brother J can flow, but 
A LOT of their music comes from (pretty recent) previous rap albums. 
I can't support that.

                         - Roop
From: kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Da Lench Mob
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:07:54 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Sep27.024824.10336@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed) writes:
>In article <Bv3G37.9sF@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:
>
>> It's definately the most racist rap album ever ("whitey" "cracker"
>> "devil" etc) and I'm sure there'll be some controversy.  But the racial
>> slurs come out as a statement of anger towards the whites who are "guilty
>> as charged" (as Cube would say).
>
>Are you implying that racism is good?
>A misconception that a lot of people have is that it's racism to be
>white and pro-white, but OK to be black and pro-black.
>
>There are racists in both directions.
>Get it thru your skull; there are still respectable caucasions in the
>rap industry, (ie. Everlast, Beastie Boys)
>Please refrain from such racist comments, as there are white people on
>this newsgroup, believe it or not.
>                                                I'm Audi like Racism...
>                                                         LX

I'd like to address the statement that being black and pro-black is racist.
People seem to thinks that pro-black and pro-white are equivalent extremes,
but this isn't the case at all.  Pro-blackness strives for equality of a 
race whereas pro-white indicates a desire to suppress all non Anglo races.
(This has been historically the case).  There are black black racists, but
those who claim pro-black are not by definition racist, because a good 
percentage just want the black race to have the same opportunity as others.

Well  to a lighter note, I'm listening to Da Lench Mob as I'm writing and
I don't think this album is extremely racist nor does it contain "great"
Ice Cube influence.  In fact it sort of has a softened X-Clan feel.  The
album isn't in the same class as Death Certificate or as good as you would
think and I think the main problem is that they simply aren't as good as rap
as Cube, Del, KAM, WC and some of the other Street Knowledge rappers.  If
you like X-Clan or Cube I suggest you at least check it out, but don't
expect to get sprung on the album.  The album is sort of grim, but if your
into that it's not bad.  I'm gonna keep it and give it some air time in
between Death Certificate and Sex and Violence.
                                            ---> KSG
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re:  N.W.A. et al 4731
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:02:28 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Re:  N.W.A. et al  (about the latest Re:  N.W.A. et al 4731)

When you are right you're right.  As one listener of hip-hop to another, your   
views seem to almost exactly reflect mine.  When I hear Public Enemy talk about
slavery or X-Clan talk about cave-dwelling devils, I don't get offended.  Why?
Because they are right!  Plain and simple.  And the only way that people
can understand that we've been fucking things up is by listening to
true black music and attempting to understand it, rather than getting the
'shock-value'.  If you're true to the music N.W.A calling themselves Niggaz
makes perfect sense.

'Why do a call myself a nigga you ask me
Because motherfuckers always wanna harass me
They run me out of their neighborhood
And say I'm a drug dealear, and up to no good'

That's one verse I seems to remember.  And a lot of the other things they say
make so much sense, it's no wonder the FBI wants their ass.  Because it's all
so true. Whites have been fucking them, but the government is fucking us all!   
To me knowledge is power, and hip-hop is knowledge.  Peace out!
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: marky mf is not a C.O.R.E. ad
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:52:00 GMT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Just so you all y'all who aren't reading it know, Marky mf is not a C.O.R.E.
ad.  That's all.
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From: ip234@brems.ii.uib.no (Morten Hoff)
Subject: Re: Parlifunkadelicthang
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:34:39 GMT

In article <911527j.2.717200704@ace.acadiau.ca>, 911527j@ace.acadiau.ca (ROBERT JORDAN) writes:
|> 
|> 	I suppose you are wondering who the hell I'm talkin' about!
|> Funkadelic a funk type group started in 1970,and parliment which was started 

I'm sure there's a lot of people on this board that knows much more about this
than I do, but from what I know, Parliament and Funcadelic was basically the
same group, but they were signed to two different labels at the same time,
using the name Parliament on one of the labels and Funcadelic on the other. 
 
|> 	If you are confused about why this article is in the alt.rap.  Well, 
|> you would shocked if you knew how many current rap groups like Digital 
|> Underground and M.C Hammer, I mean Hammer, oh screw that pop-rap-crap. 

In fact, George Clinton appeared live on Digital Underground's "Sons Of the P"
LP, and Bootsy Collins was featured on Ground Zero's "Future Of the Funk" EP.

|> 	At the recent MTV Video Music Awards, the Red Hot Chillipeppers even 
|> named these two groups as influences. 

Some of the early, pre-P-funk releases from Parliament, songs like "Red Hot
Mama", are very similar to the kind of music the Chili Peppers make today.
Not very strange when you consider the fact that George Clinton has produced
some of the Chili Peppers' stuff.

Morten Hoff
From: fedde@Sofia.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Cypress Hill
Summary: ch
Keywords: ch
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:00:47 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sofia.docs.uu.se

Isn't it time for Cypress Hill to come out with something new soon?
Anyone got any info on what they are up to?

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
From: ddogan@AFIT.AF.MIL (Darryl Dogan)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Parlifunkadelicthang
Summary: Lookin' for other fans
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:07:13 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH

In article <911527j.2.717200704@ace.acadiau.ca> 911527j@ace.acadiau.ca (ROBERT JORDAN) writes:
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>From: 911527j@ace.acadiau.ca (ROBERT JORDAN)
>Newsgroups: alt.rap
>Subject: Parlifunkadelicthang
>Summary: Lookin' for other fans
>Message-ID: <911527j.2.717200704@ace.acadiau.ca>
>Date: 22 Sep 92 22:25:04 GMT
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>        I suppose you are wondering who the hell I'm talkin' about!
>Funkadelic a funk type group started in 1970,and parliment which was started 
>near the same time. Some of the group members you may recogize, George 
>Clinton(founding member of both group and producer of Funkadelic), Bootie 
>Collins and others.

>        If you are confused about why this article is in the alt.rap.  Well, 
>you would shocked if you knew how many current rap groups like Digital 
>Underground and M.C Hammer, I mean Hammer, oh screw that pop-rap-crap.  But 
>any way you get the point.

>        At the recent MTV Video Music Awards, the Red Hot Chillipeppers even 
>named these two groups as influences.  That made me proud to think that at 
>least one other person in the whole world knew who the hell they were.

>        I'm in the process of tring to find all of their most awesome music 
>on Vinyl(the only way to go).	
>	
>        So please reply!	
>	
Good luck.  Westbound has reissued all but one of the Funkadelic albums on 
CD and cassette, and Warner Bros is evidently waiting for all the Westbound 
releases to hit the market before releasing "One Nation Under A Groove", "
Hardcore Jollies", "Uncle Jam Wants You" and "Electric Spanking of War 
Babies".  All of the Parliament and George Clinton catalogs are available 
on CD. 

I've found certain P-Funk albums on vinyl, but it wasn't easy.  A good 
record store (not a CHAIN) can special order the LPs for you, but they're 
not cheap anymore.  A friend of mine paid over $30.00 for a copy of the 
1977 "Parliament Live" double album.  

I prefer CDs myself, and I find the selection plentiful under that format.

   
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From: jacquet@ligiahp.univ-lyon1.fr (JACQUET                   )
Subject: THE SOURCE info wanted
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:42:04 GMT
X-Posted-From: ligiahp.univ-lyon1.fr
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hello y'all

Could someone mail me some info about subscribing to The Source.
(address, overseas rates, etc...). Since I live in France, I never
had the opportunity to get a copy of it.

Any info about VIBE would be also appreciated...

Thanx a lot for any help you could provide...

Peace

yvan.

-- 

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 | ^^|   Yvan Jacquet
 C ..|
 |  |'   jacquet@lisisun.univ-lyon1.fr
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From: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley)
Subject: Re: LOW bass CDs
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 14:26:45 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu


In article <fedde.717969846@Madrid>, fedde@Madrid.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
> By the way...while talking about wack stuff...anyone understand why they
> call NUBIAN M.O.B rap? It's really not that at all. I saw them on MTV Raps 
> and by misstake bought one of their albums as it was in the hip-hop shelves
> where I get my records. On the cover the guy looks like Price Akeem and
> I thought it would be something millitant just to find out they are 
> softy-softy-mammas-litle-boy-wack! 
> I will have to stop getting rekkids in a hurry!
> 

I ain't never heard of NUBIAN MOB...

==AD

BTW:

P lease
E ducate
A ll
C hildren
E qually

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From: agoyo1@dobbs.MIT.EDU (Acee Agoyo)
Subject: Re: Still lookin' for...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:50:10 GMT

Somebody using Flash's account writes:
>Has anybody yet heard the entire Grand Puba album?  Is it slammin'?  I do think
>that 'What Goes Around...' song is kinda dope.  But on the Grand Puba tip, it
>made me think of something.  Something I see in The Source now and then, and in
>other rap mags.  Brand Nubian was a group that, aside from bein' dope was very
>p.c.  I mean, think about 'Slow Down' and you'll know what I mean.  So here we
>have the smae man who was sayin' that talkin 'Usually bust records on gettin'
>butt naked'.  Pardon me, but is that a contradiction? 
Yes, it's a contradiction, but rappers like Grand Puba and CL Smooth who are with the
Nation of Islan or Five Percent Nation probably don't really care.  Brand Nubian wasn't
all that pc, if you think about it.  They had a songs like "Step to the Rear" and "Try to
Do Me," which are not related to NOI or 5% in any way.  Or CL Smooth & Grand Puba doing
"Skinz."  At the beginning of the SD50 mix of "Wake up" you hear Derrick X talking about
how Grand Puba "don't know nuttin.  He's always talking about hitting skins."  Big Daddy Kane,
Kool G Rap, and an assortment of others are the same.  Except for Poor Righteous teachers
and maybe King Sun is anybody really true NOI or 5% doctrine.  Ice Cube, I guess, comes
close.   But like you said, as long as its dope, you'll listen to it or buy it.  Some people
just wanna hear rap and that's it.  Some people want a message and a role model.  Someone
like Grand Puba is a rapper, that's it.

agoyo1@athena.mit.edu
From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Old School = Rap ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:27:50 GMT
	<Bv7D7q.3wC@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.

After reading a few of the Old School vs. New School followups
it looked pretty much to me that Old School must
be pretty close to what I believed was called Rap and New School
is the same as Hip Hop:-)

Ansgar
--
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Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 1992 11:45:54 -0400 
From: Michael Anthony Carnevale <mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: marky mf mark does it again
	<BvM4Cp.5MF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:

>There was a post a little while back about what songs were originally
used for the sampling.  One
>popular one was Lowell Fulson's "Tramp", which I currently count as being used
>by EPMD (Rampage), De La Soul (Let Let Me In) and FU-Schnickens (Back Off).

You could add Cypress Hill's "How I Could Just Kill a Man" to that list...

-Mc
From: sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: MC Serch?
Date: 26 Sep 1992 13:14:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Anyone heard the new MC Serch?  Drop Some 411 on it.

Steve K.
I'm out like Southern Florida...

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From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:48:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct04.195701.162382@zeus.calpoly.edu> kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin) writes:

>Why is it that everything
>that's black have to be hardcore?  I think our culture is a bit more diverse
>than this.
>                                                 -----------------> KSG

I agree, Why is it that when a successful rapper does not deal with hardcore
issues (Hammer, Kriss-Kross) they are perceived as sell outs and "fake shits"
I haven't been reading this newsgroup for a long period of time but it seems
like most of the discussion centers around hard-core rappers. Although rap may
have started out in the hood, we don't have to limit rap music to hard core rap
pers. Rap music is becoming increasingly more diverse and rappers such Me Phi 
Mee , Arrested Development, PM Dawn, as well as Marky Mark(yes, a white boy)
 =have as much a right to express their versions of rap as do Public Enemy
 , BDP, Ice Cube, etc. Hammer,by the way, probably has done more for
 the black community than other rappers in terms of community serice and such
  so consider giving him a bit more respect. Peace.

  Also, I'm not black nor white, I'm Asian-Indian and a rap r & b fan. If you
  see me in public, I'd be the last person who you would expect to be a rap
  fan. I've been given a few stares and snickers by brothers who have seen me
  in my PE t-shirt. I know  that I'm an atypical rap fan but don't give 
  me no disrespect just because I ain't black AND like rap music.

-- 
*********************************************************************************   - P. Ialamanna -    " I think you hear me knocking, and I think I'm coming *
			  in, and I'm bringing my big, bad opinions with me"  * 
 I represent the Univ. of Illinois. (Along with 50,000 others)===DISCLAIMER== *
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: vote
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:29:27 GMT
	<92274.184927X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
Organization: voodoo, running from my magic, Lynch Mob: the gorrillas in the mist

In article <92274.184927X42529@BARILVM.BITNET> 
X42529@BARILVM.BITNET (Shlomo) writes:
>Quale wants to ban 2pac ?!!
>I heard about Cop Killer, but 2pac????
>why?

'Cause he don't understand the words and he's afraid he might lose his job.
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From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Go Go Music?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:59:56 GMT

I got the newest TF tape weeks ago...Trouble Funk - P.A. Classics...
it's ok..but not as good as the last one (You Got The Right One Baby).



Has anyone seen any Go-Go groups besides Chuck Brown, TF, EU and
Junkyard Band (ones I've seen)??  For that matter..has anyone felt
safe going to any club besides 9:30 to see Go-Go??

From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 12:37:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Where's Young MC? (obligatory flame enclosed)
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: alt.rap

     
 Yo Gee,

 Last i heard he was coolin wid the Pepsi ads!!!



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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: REDMAN on "In Living Color"
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:08:15 GMT

In article <BvEnBL.L41@acsu.buffalo.edu>, simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.143243.6455@ultb.isc.rit.edu> klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>"Whut?  Thee Album" comes out today.
>>K-Mello
>
>	Yo, is Redman related to K-Solo? Their styles seem very similar,
>although I hear he comes off like Erric Sermon on the album...
>

I some magazine, I think it was Street Sound, which, by the way, is *very*
credible :), and Solo said that he and Redman were half-brothers.  Believe it
or not, I guess.

                                             T-Dub
                                             SHYGUY productions
From: sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: what is all this fake shit
Date: 1 Oct 1992 11:44:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: Racism

>Is it coincidence or are you racist when you list only whites as fake rappers?
>Also, what's wrong with cashing in on a black man's idea? 
>I ain't racist but black people cash in on white's ideas so what's the big
>deal? It's called CAPITALISM. By the way, I find that a lot of rap today is
>about selling records, in otherwards, just like all the other types of music.

No, I am not a racist and I don't just think that there are only cheesy white
rappers, there are a lot of cheesy black ones as well (TLC, criss cross, and
all that other fake shit)  What I am saying is that rap, from my perspective
and from where I'm from, was a way to bring the white kids and the black kids
together under one art form with mutual idols that are exuding a mutually 
peaceful ideology.  Regardless of race, the artist's words and their presence 
on stage and the energy and the sheer force and momentum of the beats easily
brought people of all races together in a peaceful way.  Of course it was all
to make money, but when I think back to my breakdancin' days, it was different.
People gave a shit and the artists, who never really got huge like Grandmaster
Flash and the rest, were heroes for kids that played on the street.  That's 
what I remember.  I don't remember the color of the kids that I hung out with,
I remember their names and their families and what I liked about them.  Color
wasn't, and still isn't, an issue.  Either on my street or in my CD player.

Peace

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