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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Diving for Free Kicks
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:20:59 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

I was watching the Italian game with Inter and AC Milan
last night. As usual I noticed the wide array of
Dives without being touched in order to get a player
sent off, or win a free kick.

Also I noted the large amount of professional,
cynical fouls that were taken place. A forward
does a brilliant turn to beat his man and is then
deliberately hacked down by the defender.

In Britain, this would result in the sending off
of the player, or at least a yellow card.

Do people at these games enjoy watching this.
Do they enjoy players beating their man and
getting hacked to the floor. Do they enjoy
all the diving going on. Do they enjoy the
feigning of injury when the supposedly badly
injured player convinces the Referee by
rolling half a mile down the pitch.

In Britiain these sought of things happen
to a much lesser degree.

THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY I WOULD MUCH
RATHER WATCH A BRITISH GAME THAN AN
ITALIAN/GERMAN/SPANISH GAME ETC!

Up the Owls



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: US/ENGLAND/BRAZIL
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:29:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.213751.21993@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>Can anyone please provide me information regarding the US/England/Brazil
>tournament to be held here in the US? 
>
>I know that the tournament will be held in June and the matches will be played
>in Boston (Foxboro), New Haven (Yale Bowl) and DC (RFK). I need more detailed
>info: exact dates, who plays whom, when and where, availability of tickets.
>
>Is it true that Germany was originally scheduled to play as well? 


This is what I have.  Corrections and updates requested:


			U.S. Cup 1993

	June  6:	U.S.	vs	Brasil		Yale Bowl, New Haven
	June  9:	U.S.	vs	ENGLAND		Foxboro Stad., Foxboro
	June 10:	Brasil	vs	Germany		Site TBA  (Chicago?)
	June 12:	ENGLAND	vs	Brasil		RFK Stad., Washington DC
	June 13:	U.S.	vs	Germany		Site TBA  (Pontiac?)
	June 19:	Germany	vs	ENGLAND		Silverdome, Pontiac


Ticket orders are being taken for U.S. vs Brasil now.  I don't know about
the others, but I would assume all sites are taking ordering information.

-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com

"There will always be an England."     ENGLAND for US Cup 1993!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: olori@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (daniele olori)
Subject: Brescia - Milan  0 - 1
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:50:01 GMT



OK, we have lost. But playing a match in 10 against 11 for 83 minutes is quite difficult for all, and if the other team is called Milan the result is obvious.
The thing that makes me angry is not the result (this year Milan won 13 match on 16 !), but the fact that Raducioiu have been send out after 7 minutes for a thing he didn't do!!! In fact a lineman said to the referee that Radu said him "Testa di c...." (I don't know how to report it in english, but it is like when a man has his head like his attribute), but it's not true !!!
Some witnesses reported that he said only "c...o".
On Tuesday the newspapers reported that: the linesman have been suspended for 2 months, and in the future he will not perform in "Serie A".
And yesterday I knew that Raducioiu haven't been disqualified !!!!
But the match won't be repeated .
So Milan has 29 points and Brescia (magico!) only 14 .

			       Is it correct    
				  for you ?


			      See you soon

			      MiticoLogo
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool hate Man U fans ??
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:54:41 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <16B5DF9D7.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za>, 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
> Yeah, I hope the slump continues. Division 1 awaits them. They used to
> belong in the lower division in the 1950's. Time to go back HOME.
>  

Well as a life-long United supporter, I'm sure you're aware that United were
there more recently than the 50's.  Who really does belong there??? 

Alan
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:20363 soc.culture.italian:6055
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Keywords: USISL, Connecticut Wolves
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:54:14 GMT

In article <1jp8ltINNdln@shelley.u.washington.edu> rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell ) writes:
<In article <C17stq.1EA@hsi.com>, archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
<
<> By the way, I _didn't_ make any of those team names up!  Chattanooga 
<> Railroaders?  Austin Soccadillos?  New Mexico Chiles?  !!! Perchance did 
<> you notice Tulsa Roughnecks?  I wonder if this is the same franchise as the 
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<> one that played in the old NASL (North American Soccer League)?


<Somebody involved must be from the old franchise.  The rights to those
<team names are still owned by individuals.  Alan Hinton, mentioned above,
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
<owns the rights to the Sounders name.  I'm sure others can be found who
<would allow use of (or bring it back themselves) the names of the old NASL
<teams that we're popular.  Good potential marketing device.


An unintended connection by Russ I'm sure.  Do you remember that Alan
Hinton coached the Tulsa Roughnecks before heading to the Great Northwest!?

If not, now you do!  Its a small world, innit?  :-)


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:19:30 GMT
 <1il2peINN95g@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan23.081536.26026@r-node.pci.on.ca>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan23.081536.26026@r-node.pci.on.ca>, gullit@r-node.pci.on.ca writes:
> How about having news from around the soccer world, REPRESENTATIVE of the
> quality of play at both the club and national level?

No-one is stopping you, or others, posting about news from around the football
world; in fact quite the opposite is the case - such postings are encouraged.
C'mon then - do something positive!!

Alan
From: stevensm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mik Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Burnley v Rotheram
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:51:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

Rotheram  0  :  1  Burnley
                   
                   Heath (pen)


The Burnley penelty jinx has ended.  It took the fifth
spot kick of year to be awarded before we could score 
one.

Didn't go to the match but sounded as though a Burnley
win was against the run of play, but who cares.

The Rotheram mural should proove to be no problem
to any Newcastle fans out there.  They were supposedly
quieter than a very quiet thing trying very hard to
be quiet.

Come on you Clarets,


mik
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re:  #############  UK fans, PLEASE GO!  ###############
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:03:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

pampa@cbnewb.cb.att.com writes:

-> dear english (scotish/irish/ect) fans please form your own group
-> (rec.soccer.england, rec.soccer.british, rec.soccer.whatever) and
-> make things easier for the rest of us.  there's no need for splitting
-> the existing group!!  ...just leave, the rest will be Ok!

A wonderful bit of logic:  Please (split) the group... there's no
need for splitting the existing group.

-> one reason is the amount of messages you guys generate.  if i spend 3 
-> days out-of-contact with my system when i return i found 350+ messages 
-> out of which 80%+ belong to your neters.  and i have to spend valuable 
-> minutes searching through hundred of articles that i don't care just to 
-> find what i really care.  if you're gone, i can do this in a flash w/o 
-> missing something important.

If your time is so valuable that you need to count your minutes, why
are you wasting your time on netnews at all?  Presumably you could
purchase a magazine or newspaper and follow whichever teams you prefer
there in a much less wasteful fashion.  (Indeed, from my time at Bell
Labs, from the audit reports I have seen, your management probably knows
how much time you spend reading netnews.  So, if they haven't
complained, maybe your time isn't quite as valuable as you might think!)

-> another reason for this request is the insulting techniques that some
-> of your guys use to attack each other (& foreigners).  this needs to get 
-> out of this newsgroup.  the rest of the neters treat each other with 
-> respect and, even when in disagreement, they discuss their differences 
-> in a respectful manner.  but several (more than desired) of your
-> guys just jump for the other's eyes in a very nasty and annoying way.
-> this is highly depressive for any well intended soccer fan.  personally,
-> i feel i've had enough of BELOVED SHITS, "shits-4-brains", BASTARDs and 
-> others of the kind. it's time for you to give the rest of the net a break.

And here you attack the UK netters, many of whom do not display the
sins to which you refer.

-> hope you'll consider this request and create your group soon. it has been
-> a lot of talk lately about this move (...but nothing happens ); just do it
-> w/o splitting the group and it will be deeply appreciate it.  thanks!

So, if I may sum up your argument, all you have said is:

"UK fans go away, I don't like you."

Hardly a cogent argument for altering established procedure.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Israel 18th Round
From: ioffe@black.bgu.ac.il (Ioffe Nicolay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:43:07 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel


Someone who posts European review has told that he hasn't information
on local tournament.

Here are results of Round 18:

Beitar(Jerusalem) - Makkabi(Haifa)
	3		2

Hapoel(Tel-Aviv)  - Makkabi(Tel-Aviv)
	2		1

Bnei Iehuda(Tel-Aviv) - Hapoel(Beer-Sheva)
	2		3

Hapoel(Haifa)	  - Makkabi(Petakh-Tikva)
	3		1

Makkabi(Netania)  - Tsafririm(Holon)
	3		2

Beitar(Tel-Aviv)  - Hapoel(Petakh-Tikva)
	0		0

Here is standing after 18 Rounds.


  Name			Gms  W   D  L  Balls  Pts
 1.Beitar(Jerusalem)	 18  11  3  4  30-21  36
 2.Makkabi(Tel-Aviv)	 18  10  4  4  41-23  34
 3.Makkabi(Haifa)	 18   8  6  4  37-27  30
 4.Bnei Iehuda(Tel-Aviv) 18   9  3  6  36-30  30
 5.Hapoel(Beer-Sheva)	 18   7  6  5  26-22  27
 6.Hapoel(Tel-Aviv)      18   8  3  7  32-32  27
 7.Hapoel(Haifa)	 18   7  6  5  20-20  27
 8.Makkabi(Petakh-Tikva) 18   5  7  6  28-25  22
 9.Makkabi(Netania)	 18   6  4  8  24-37  22
10.Tsafririm(Holon)	 18   5  3 10  27-33  18
11.Beitar(Tel-Aviv)	 18   4  3 11  18-32  15
12.Hapoel(Petakh-Tikva)  18   2  4 12  19-31  10

Notes:
In Israel win - 3pts;
Draw	      - 1pts.

Ball difference maybe wrong:(

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca (Steve Halchuk)
Subject: WC94: AFRICA Group H news - Tanzania withdraws
Reply-To: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:09:22 GMT

Sadly, the BBC world service reports that Tanzania have withdrawn from
Africa's Group H. They have sited financial constraints as the reason
for withdrawal. The results of their previous matches will be
nullified. The revised Group H now looks like:

Africa Group H  P W D L  F  A Pts
Madagascar	3 3 0 0  6  0  6
Zambia	        2 1 0 1  4  2  2     
Namibia 	3 0 0 3  0  8  0

9  Oct   Madagascar 3 - 0 Namibia
25 Oct   Namibia    0 - 4 Zambia
20 Dec   Madagascar 2 - 0 Zambia
17 Jan   Namibia    0 - 1 Madagascar

Zambia will have to come up with 2 impressive home wins over Namibia
and Madagascar in order to take top spot in this group.

The withdrawal of 11 African teams is quite depressing. Would the
African qualifying zone be better served if they set up a series of
tournaments in some of the more economically/politically stable
countries along the same lines as in Asia. The teams would have reduced
travel costs and presumably (if the tournaments are properly marketed)
would receive increased revenues by sharing in the greater gate
receipts. European based players would have a greater chance of being
released from club commitments if it was for a pre-determined 2-3 week
period. The drawback of course is not having the support of your home
fans for half of your games. However, I think that I would rather have
my country play in a foreign locale and have the chance to advance than
play at home and be forced to withdraw because of politics/economics.

Stephen
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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: World Cup hosts
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:05:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-------------------
their rules on pitch-widths just so that they could get one stadium over
another.  Reference: Selecting "narrow" Giants Stadium, New Jersey over
-------------------

Garry,

	They're talking about 6 feet in width and 6 in length. You must be 
joking if you feel that those 6 feet are *crucial* to the game. Remember a 
legal field is from 50x100 yds to 100x130 yds. FIFA recommends that all full 
internationals be held on field 68-80 x 110-120 yds.

	Besides, just like law changes, it's their game (by our agreement) so 
they can change the rules from time to time.

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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Game 2 : OZ vs Korea (Youth)
Summary: Nobody ever uses this, don't see why I should.
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:12:04 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization


	Well Adelaide played hosts to the travelling side show last night.
For those interested in results I am sorry to tell you that there wasn't
one. 0-0. This means the Koreans must win by 3 goals in the last game in 
Sydney on Friday to take the rather contrived series which is just a warm
up for the WYC in March. (Did I mention I have front row seats for all the
Sydney games ?)
	The Koreans were expected to improve on the performance of their
first match and to some extents did. However the match was not a very
flowing one. There was a lot of turnover of possession due to a mixture
of good defending and loose passes. Both sides had good scoring oppertunities
with the Koreans probably more emphatic in their attempts. The Australians
either miskicked or lacked power in the shot to really trouble the Korean 
keeper. Somehow the Australians usual game was upset, whether this was due 
to lack of form or the Korean defending (esp out wide) is open to discussion.
	Korea seemed to lack fitness as they began delaying play and lose
all interest in running. The trainer spent a lot of time on the field in the
last 15 minutes, mainly to bring drinks to the Koreans. However the Koreans
roused themselves to try for the late winner.
	In a post match interview the Aussie coach, Les Scheinflug, said that
he was unhappy with his teams performance and emphasised that the Aussies
needed to get more crosses into the box in an attempt to take advantage of the
lack of height in the Korean team. He also expressed disappointment in the
reluctance of the midfield to push forward.
	During the match the commentator mentioned that the Korean youth side
were a pretty confident lot as they had beaten their senior side counterparts
on more than one occasion. This was a full strength senior side. So I am left
to wonder whether this proves the Youth side's ability or the senior side's
lack of it. Anyone out there know more about the Koreans?

			Thomas the Tank Engine
			aka Algor

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From: P.D.Wardle@newcastle.ac.uk (P.D. Wardle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: CALLING ALL YOU 'BORO FANS !!!!!!
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:46:26 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


As a committed Forest fan, and one who's residing up North at the mo at
uni, I am wondering how to get to Ayresome Park from the National Express coach station.....? 

I am hoping to go to the match, but as I am carless I cannot get there any other way (NB. As a student I couldn't afford the train fare!!!)

Any directions, maps etc will be GRATEFULLY received with loving thanks, regards and severe kissing of the feet. And toes (if you're lucky).

Cheers in advance..

     P.D.wardle

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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Italian League: Serie A and B Results and Standings (24/1/93 Games)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:08:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When is Julio Cesar due back for Juventus??
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: massari@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Gianmario Massari)
Subject: Who Scored Last Sunday
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:55:52 GMT




Who Scored Last Sunday for Cremo ?


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Great Goal...

		Gianmario
From: am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bryan Robson/Gary Lineker
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:12:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gfNLwZy00iV0I4=5Bx
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Does anyone know what's going on with Bryan Robson at Manchester United?
 Is he still injured?  And how's is Lineker doing in Japan?  Does anyone
know who he is playing for in Japan?

Thanks,
Andy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: Mark Shaw <mshaw@uiuc.edu>
Subject: What days are European League games played?
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:40:29 GMT

I am wondering if there is a common day that most games in England and
the rest of Europe are played on (like the weekends) or are they spread
out during the week?  Also, does each team usually play one game per week
or does that vary as well?  Thanks for any help.

Mark
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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Milan and high-priced players
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:58:58 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <2117@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, rlpst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Robert L Pack) writes:
> 
> Sure, Milan can afford the high-priced players, so what. High-priced
> players doesn't guarantee a championship or even a good team.
> 
> Take a look at American baseball in the last couple of years. You had
> the Pittsburgh Pirates ( a team from a small market city ). They 
> couldn't, and still can't afford to play in the free agent market. 
> However, they have won their division during the last three years. They
> didn't buy high-priced players. What they did do was develop their own
> talent and had extraordinary coaching. Before the beginning of last year,
> they lost one of the best players and still won the division.
> 
> On the flip side of this is the Los Angelos Dodgers. Before the beginning
> of this past season, they went to the free agent market and picked up
> Eric Davis ( a very good left fielder ) to complement Darryl Strawberry,
> who they picked up the year before. On paper they should have been a great
> team. Instead, they had the worst record in baseball. Even the perennial
> doormat Cleveland Indians finished better than they did.
> 
> So how did the Pirate and the Indians do it. The answer is team chemistry.
> You can have the best players in the world but if they can't play together,
> they aren't worth it.
> 
> How does this all relate to Milan? Sure they can afford the players but if
> they can't play together they still won't win. This year they are
> showing that, besides the fact that they're great players, they are also
> a great team. A team that knows how everyone will play. A team that's more
> than the sum of the individual parts.

The Draft sysytem is a proposal made by Serie A clubs out of pure Jealousy
Maybe if Napoli, Roma etc hadn't spent millions on mediocre players to try and
keep up with milan, they wouldn't be so bad

Some of Milan's best players this season didn't cost much, ie: Van Basten was
only $3million, Gullit about $4.5million, not much compared to what is being
paid today. I admit $25million for Lentini is ridiculous.

Were drafts being proposed in '82 when Milan were in a mess?

NO


How would a draft work anyway?

it could only apply to italian players, yet Lentini apart, all their major buys
are from abroad. Besides, is it fair to make a promising player go to a crap
club like Udinese or somewhere, denying him the chance of top money and playing
for a winning side? No.

If you want to challenge Milan's dominance, start playing decent football.


> 
> bob
>  


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