HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kimman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kim Richard Man)
Subject: NeXTCUBE fo sale
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:08:38 GMT

I have a Mono 030 NeXTCube for sale. It has 16M Ram and 330M HD. Everything is 
in excellent shape because I did not use it very much as a home computer except
writing a few programs. NS3.0 is installed as well as lots of other softwares.

I would like to get $2600 from it and please e-mail to me if you are 
interested.

Thanks.
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From: wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong)
Subject: NeXT 256 Optical Drive For Sale
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:24:49 GMT

Hi there,

I have a 256M OD for NeXTCube I want to sale. It is in excellent
condition. I have the filter always on it and never have any problem.
I would like to get $500 for it.

Also, I have 8 256M disks for sale, too. $75 each or $70 each if you
buy more than 4 of them.

Let me know if you are interested.

Andy
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Rules (was Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!)
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:14:44 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <sgold.725444777@well.sf.ca.us>
sgold@well.sf.ca.us (Sam Goldberger) writes:

>>jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch) writes:

>>>>...  if commercial posting isn't supposed to be here, it
>>>>shouldn't be.  I'll go see the play if you'll help keep
>>>>commercial posting off the net.

>I think Jim has a point here: if commercial posting is, in
>fact, forbidden here, then I shouldn't be posting the kind
>of message I did.

>[...] Furthermore, I would want to do business with someone
>on the net because of the built-in safety factor of the
>semi-public nature of the medium.  Anyone who could stand
>the "heat" in this flaming kitchen is probably on the
>up-and-up, because any mistake or dishonesty would be
>broadcast worldwide.

I think there's an important, wider issue here.  The entire
history of the Internet revolves around a kind of relaxed
attitude toward appropriate use policies.  Informality is a
key component of the development of changing standards and
protocols underlying the growth of these networks.  The
whole enterprise has relied on a collegial, cooperative
approach.

While not wishing to discount anyone's legitimate concerns,
it seems to me that attempts to police every aspect of the
ways the net is used end up being counterproductive,
restricting rather than enhancing our opportunities.  I
would claim that the primary reason for the existence of the
networks is inseparable from the idea of enhanced access to
information that is pertinent to our manifold interests.

To be sure, there are matters of degree to be considered,
very real investments of capital and energy are involved,
and people will get very bent out of shape if there are wild
excesses in any of a number of dimensions.

So it seems to me that intelligent people can with not much
effort use their own best judgment about what is or isn't in
the general interest, without fear of too much interference
from those among us for whom rules and regulations are a
cherished modality.

It's obvious, surely, that I wouldn't include myself in this
last group.  *I've* always thought the main benefit of rules
is to provide rule-busters like me with fun and diversion!
:-)

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re:  biz.next.whatever
Date: 30 Dec 1992 06:08:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


NeXTSTEP *IS* dying, and I don't think it is fair to utilize
yet another newsgroup.  Hell, for a biz.next.marketplace NeXT
section, we'd have all of what, three postings?  I think
we can break a few rules.  We must all stick in this together,
and not argue on some silly rule which no one will follow
in the first place.  Let's stop the flaming and discuss REAL
subjects instead of this senseless bickering.

I mean, who is going to stop anyone from posting?  These
rules are there, but what can one do?  Kick the offender
off?  I think not.  Shun the person?  Sure.  But, what does
this do for the  NeXT community?  Not many people have even
heard of NeXT - I think we should band together instead
of actually criticizing each other because of a rule no one
can enforce in the first place.

Please, stop the flaming, and let it slide.  I don't think
Sam has any intentions of changing his plans, so it
makes no sense to use up the bandwidth complaining.

Most of us don't even get the biz.* series, anyway.

Just my $.02...  <grin>

Lucas


    L
-- 
Lucas C. Wagner  --  ak520@po.CWRU.edu  --  lucas@hernix.org
IRC:  Predat0r, XCalibur, Mr_Bungle  UUCP:  hernix!lucas
"What would the world be like without Diet Coke?"
From: da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Apfelbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:42:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0fEtBd200WA74ORXsv
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


This has pretty much been resolved, but I'd like to add my own $.02

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.marketplace: 16-Dec-92 Holiday NeXT
Sale!! by Samuel M. Goldberger@orb 
>NeXT Station Mono
>                                                
>                Retail    Price                 
>        8/105   $4,995    $1,998                        


Typical for-sale post:

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.marketplace: 27-Dec-92 NeXTStation
for sale by Anwar Mohammed@cs.cmu.ed 
>25 Mhz. 68040 Processor, 8 MB RAM
>56001 DSP, 1 3.5" 2.88 Meg Floppy Drive, Built in ethernet, megapixel
>display w/ built in mike, etc.
> 
>The only thing missing from this baby is a hard drive.  I've used
>an external drive, or you could probably buy an internal drive and
>slap it in.  
> 
>We are asking $2600 or best reasonable offer.



I am uncertain if the term "commercial" should be applied to someone who
markets __USED__ equipment at __LOWER__ prices than just about everyone
else on the board, and throws in a warranty to boot!


Food for thought.


        -David.

P.S> Thanks for posting it Sam!
From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Re:  biz.next.whatever
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:13:13 GMT
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT

In article <1hred9INNpv1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Lucas Wagner) writes:

> NeXTSTEP *IS* dying, and I don't think it is fair to utilize
> yet another newsgroup.  Hell, for a biz.next.marketplace NeXT
> section, we'd have all of what, three postings?  I think
> we can break a few rules.  We must all stick in this together,
> and not argue on some silly rule which no one will follow
> in the first place.  Let's stop the flaming and discuss REAL
> subjects instead of this senseless bickering.

There's so much misinformation in the above paragraph
it's hard to decide where to start shoveling through it.

Let's start with your ignorance of the transport
mechanisms of USENET, and how commercial postings could
cause groups such as this one to be dropped from some of
them.  It's not a question of whether Sam's post offended
the sensibilities of the people discussing (not
flaming, BTW, can't you tell the difference?), but of
avoiding such potentially disruptive actions by some
USENET carriers.  Think about it: do companies that pay
real money want to carry other companies advertisements?

Next, would you care to support your rather inflamitory
statement about the fate of NeXTstep as you see it, or are
you just shouting that the sky is falling because it's
the time of year for such drivel to be proclaimed in
these groups?

Next, there has been almost universal agreement from the
posters discussing this issue, including Sam, that the
biz.next.* groups would be the appropriate group for
such postings. 

When it comes down to it, most folks here have been having a
good discussion about this issue, and exchanging
information and ideas in the true sense of the ideal of
USENET...except for your and one other poster's
interruptions accusing us of flaming and wasting our time
because you don't agree with the direction the
discussion is taking.  We're doing just fine, thanks, so
please go flame in some other group that will appreciate
your silliness. 

> Just my $.02...  <grin>

Very funny.

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: ocean!rosario (Rosario Perry)
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:08:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.055728.16243@crl.com> smg@orb.com (Samuel M.  
Goldberger) writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.021222.7501@netcom.com> jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim  
Lynch)  
> writes:
> > To:
> > Samuel M. Goldberger    smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK
> > Spherical Solutions,    47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA  94941
> > 415.383.7512--voice     415.381.9556--fax
> > 
> > You must know that commercial posting is not permitted, yet here you  
are.
> 
> Sorry to offend, but I must differ. Shortly after this group was begun,  
Glenn  
> Reid of RightBrain posted a summer special; so did Dave Peter of HSD.  
Then I  
> did. And so have other developers.
> 
> I'm not trying to abuse this group; rather to offer what I (and many of  
those  
> who have responded to my Holiday Sale) believe to be a rather unique  
> opportunity to the NeXT community. If I were buying rather than selling,  
I  
> would most certainly want to know about the availability of used systems  
at  
> deep discount.
> 
> Morevoer, from a business perspective, I could do far better for myself  
by  
> marketing these machines to large corporations at substantially higher  
prices.  
> I have explicitly chosen not to do this, but rather to offer them to  
> individuals, students and academic institutions over the net. That way,  
I don't  
> have to hire a big staff and create a large advertising budget, the  
costs of  
> which would inevitably have to be borne by the customer.
> 
> The reason is that I believe in the platform and the philosophy of  
computing  
> that it represents. However, the NeXT marketplace is very small.  
Circulation of  
> capital (and diffusion of machines) through that small market makes it  
> healthier and helps it grow.
> 
> --
> Samuel M. Goldberger	smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK
> Spherical Solutions, 	47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA  94941
> 415.383.7512--voice     415.381.9556--fax

I , for one, appreciate the information. It's a lot better than reading  
some dribble about the end of next.  
--

--------------------------------
Rosario Perry 
rosario@oceanlaw.com
--------------------------------
-- 

--------------------------------
Rosario Perry 
rosario@oceanlaw.com
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From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:54:53 GMT

In article <1hsfp3INNl5d@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De  
Arras) writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.202234.20056@cs.yale.edu>  
nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu  
> (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> > Ah, just when you thought everyone was being polite and
> > reasonable about discussion this issue, in steps
> > FlameBoy (tm).
> 
> Well, I learned from the FlameMaster (tm)!  Thanks, Nathan! ;-)

That was my evil twin in a former life.  I'm reformed now, really.

> > I suggest we not rise to the heat and continue
> > investigating the path we have all agreed upon, the
> > biz.next.* groups as a viable and good placement for
> > vendor ads.  My site has the biz.next.newproducts group
> > too - how about we start a CFD in the correct news.* group
> > about a proposed CFV of biz.next.marketplace? 

> "Rising to the heat" seems to translate to not agreeing with Nathan, who  
once  
> again claims to speak for all.

(yawn) That's a tired strawman you're presenting, Jim.  I welcome
a hearty discussion of conflicting opinions, however, in this case,
most of the folks posting were interested in the biz.next.marketplace
group idea, and were not flaming as accused by yourself and Lucas.

As for Dave Griffths statements: 

> Some people have suggested that there should be a 
> separate group for "commercial" posts, but I feel that
> Sams post was in the  correct place. If I'm on the lookout
> for a secondhand NeXT, why trawl through  _two_ groups,
> especially if this other hypothetical biz group
> contains huge  RTF articles full of marketing hype? 

We can't ignore the USENET usage guidelines because you
don't feel like reading two groups instead of one.  There
are real potential consequences for abuse of these
groups, which happily have been historically avoided
because most people, when properly informed of
guidelines and the reasoning behind them, act like good
USENET citizens.  As we all should, wouldn't you agree?

I see no reason why the commercial group would have to be an
RTF group, although it would no doubt break Glen and
Jack's hearts if it wasn't ;-) 

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: rogx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: NeXTCube for sale (again? still? huh?)
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:56:22 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Let's try this again!!

I'm looking to sell a '040 NeXT Cube with

	8 Meg RAM
	400 Mb NeXT drive still under warranty
	2.88 Mb internal floppy (better than SCSI)
	NeXT monochrome monitor
	Old style keyboard

	2.1 OS
	1.0 Docs

	Original '030 board

	Original tools

Everything is in great shape.  I'm the original owner.

I had some offers, only to have them vanish on me.  My asking price was
originally $4500, and, as I thought, people seem to be interested more in the
just below $4000 range.

Well, if there is anyone who wants to give it a good home, please reply to:

		----> rhd1@cornell.edu
			  or
		days (607) 257-8109
			  or
		eves (607) 535-7915

Thanks,
Roger

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong)
Subject: NeXTCUBE Optical Drive/Disks for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:02:27 GMT

Hi there,
 
I have a 256M OD for NeXTCube I want to sale. It is in excellent
condition. I have the filter always on it and never have any
problem.
I would like to get $500 for it.
 
Also, I have 8 256M disks for sale, too. $75 each or $70 each if you
buy more than 4 of them.
 
Let me know if you are interested. 
Andy

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe)
Subject: Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!
Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:11:46 GMT

Hey!  Cut it out!  This newsgroup is a _marketplace,_ not a 
soapbox.  Please save your philosophical discussions for some other 
group, and leave this one clean for offers to buy and sell!  

If this discussion, however polite, really need appear anywhere, 
put it in news.groups and crosspost to alt.flame, so no one who has 
a real job or any strong outside interests is likely to see it.  
-- 
 Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com      Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x101
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399   fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.   NextMail OK
Info free; sample $20.  Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
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Subject: RE: Spherical Holiday NeXT Sale
From: nicolek@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:00:31 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Keywords: NeXT OZ

Through official channels purchasing a NeXT Computer from Canon here in
Australia costs US$9370 RRP at current exchange rates for a 
NeXTstation Mono Turbo 16MB RAM/250MB HDD. 

At costing like this I'm all for Sam Goldberger posting to the Internet
newsgroup c.s.n.m with any secondhand NeXT units he has on offer. 

How else do NeXT enthusiasts outside North America get the chance to buy
a NeXT at a believable price???

 --------------------------------- -------------------------------------
| Nicole Kaiyan                   | Email: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au     | 
| Computer Science Department     |                                     | 
| La Trobe University             |        NeXTmail welcome             |
| Melbourne                       |                                     |
| AUSTRALIA                       | Phone: (international)+613 416 2949 |
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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Is ANYBODY Selling Anything? (was Re: Holiday NeXT Sale!!)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:24:49 GMT

In article <1i4visINNrg8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an602@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James M. Bernatowicz) writes:
>
>I thought this issue was resolved last week with the "discovery" of the biz.*
>groups?  I fail to see how placing a commercial post in a seperate newsgroup
>is going to destroy "our sense of community" or NeXT's market for that matter.
>What does this say about NeXT users?  Are we so lazy that we will not peruse
>seperate groups to seek out great deals?  Let's get back to buying and selling,
>OK?

Nope. I can imagine that people do not want to peruse every newsgroup that 
exists. We don't even receive the biz.* ones, as far as I can tell. The point
regarding community is simply that one gets to know the people interested in
NeXT if one sees their names and messages enough. In fact the splitting up of
comp.sys.next contributed to this loss of sense of community. It separated
the various users into camps. It's not as though there are millions of NeXT
users. For weeks people worried about putting in $ figures into postings when
every other group was doing it. Now it's considered acceptable. What I am 
implying is that there's no reason to change the current system (except to 
get rid of a few groups).
 
This message is for sale for $5, and so is an unopened copy of Common Lisp
for the NeXT (not for $5).
 
Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers
From: jfields@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Bud Fields)
Subject: NeXT Cube 040 FOR SALE
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:04:41 GMT

I have the following NeXT system for sale:
25MHz 040 Cube
16M RAM, 340M Maxtor HD, NeXT Optical Drive
17" Monochrome Megapixel
4 Optical disks, including System Software versions 2.1 and 0.8 on optical. 
These opticals could be kept as artifacts, or formatted :)
 
Software: Lots of public domain stuff, and MicroPhone Pro 1.0(retail $299)
 
The RAM in the Cube is in the form of 16 1M SIMMS. The system was purchased
new in Feb 1992 and is in mint condition; the optical drive has the filter 
installed and is very clean. It has never malfunctioned or lost data. I will
include all standard NeXT manuals for 2.1.
 
My asking price is $4800 US, or best offer.
Reply to: jfields@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: swier@netcom.com (Bill Swier)
Subject: NeXTstation for Sale
Summary: NeXTstation Monochrome for Sale
Keywords: NeXT NeXTstation Sale
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:38:38 GMT

For Sale:
Monochrome NeXTstation
8 MB RAM
400 MB hard drive
Extended Release 2.1
Developer's Documentation
FrameMaker
Mathematica
Appsoft Draw
Microphone Pro

$3500 plus shipping.

swier@netcom.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: smg@orb.com (Samuel M. Goldberger)
Subject: Re: NeXT 256 Optical Drive For Sale
Organization: CR Labs - Internet Dialup Access (415-389-UNIX guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:59:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.212449.23649@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>  
wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have a 256M OD for NeXTCube I want to sale. It is in excellent
> condition. I have the filter always on it and never have any problem.
> I would like to get $500 for it.
> 
> Also, I have 8 256M disks for sale, too. $75 each or $70 each if you
> buy more than 4 of them.
> 
> Let me know if you are interested.
> 
> Andy

I've got new ones for sale for $600 with 30 day warranty, or two for $1000.

Sam
--
Samuel M. Goldberger	smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK
Spherical Solutions, 	47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA  94941
415.383.7512--voice     415.381.9556--fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde)
Subject: Re: Need source for cheap memory (mono station)
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:13:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Posted-From: physics.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1993Jan2.194107.3249@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes:
>In article <1i4kojINN6rq@uwm.edu> xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)  
>writes:
>    *  So, if anyone that has recently upgraded to 20 megs can
>    *  make a good recommendation, cheap place, for memory that
>    *  would be great.
>I just bought a 16MB kit from First Source International.  Price
>was $499.
>
>        First Source International
>        36 Argonaut, Suite 140
>        Aliso Viejo
>        California 92656
>        (714) 588-9866
I just bought a 16MB kit from Impediement for about $395.
Phone is 617-837-8877

Dmitri
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From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Subject: Re: NeXT Software/Hardware For Sale/Swap
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:50:37 PST

I lost all my  mail from the last   two weeks in  an unfortunate  SCSI
misunderstanding. If you wanted one  of the items below (especially if
I already promised it), please send me mail again.

>For Sale: 9 months old Old Style Starting Point  Kit, consisting of (non-Unix)
>Keyboard and Mouse. Perfect as a spare against wear. $75. (New Cost: $170.)
>
>
>For Sale:  Communicae Dial-up Software  and Terminal  Emulator (includes VT220
>and Tektronix Tek4014  emulation)---worse  than Microphone on programmability,
>better on terminal features. Latest version.  New  Price: $350-$400. For Sale:
>$175.
>
>For Sale: "BugByte" License. $80. (may not work under 3.0).
>
>For Sale: RightBrain Portfolio. $30. New Price: ??
>
>For Sale: Old Version 1.0d. The owner should upgrade to the new version. $50.
>
>
>Am willing to  switch for: ZyXel  modem, White Pine eXodus, Canon  portable
>ink-jet  printer,  SafetyNet, HP Deskjet;   or even interesting  Adobe text
>fonts (especially TeX replacement), Mapart, Void, Math++, Eiffel, ...
>
>/ivo


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