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From: brandon@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Startrek/Netrek and Ranks
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:45:01 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


	Hello, I am currently working on a large hack, of the computer game
netrek, which is similar to startrek.  What I would like to know is, if
somebody could post a comprehensive list of ranks in Startrek, and STNG (if
there is any difference).   Right now, the game uses basic navy ranks.  We
worked up a variation on this, but we would like something a little better. 
Also, if you can, I would like to know what type of command positions are given
to each rank, etc. etc.


	Any help is appreciated


		Brandon
		Lynx
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Master, Donnie Most College of Acting, UIUC)
Subject: Re: hate
Reply-To: /dev/null
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:23:56 GMT

gd@evil.demon.co.uk (Geoff Dooley) writes:


>I would just like to say that I hate all you americans.

>You have all these new TNG's and DS9.

>We in Britain have NOTHING since the seasons 1 to 3 on TNG and the constant
>re-runs of TOS.

>I vomit westerly to the bastard nation.

You may vomit, but I don't think we'll be very keen.  Yes, we have all these new
TNG's and DS9.  It is very nice.  You can't see them yet because you are English
types.  Why can we?  Because we're American and we don't have an outrrrrageous
accent, you silly English pig dogs!

Go and boil your bottom, son of a silly person!  I blow my nose at you, so-
called Dooley-Geoff!  I fart in your general direction!  Your mother was a
hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!



Chrissakes, when will people quit wasting bandwidth whining about not getting
TNG & DS9....
-- 
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From: dgeller@remus.rutgers.edu (dgeller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST VI - Question?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:57:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Talking about that incident in STVI where the Enterprise is going off
to rescue Kirk and Bones from the prison planet, and they are detected
by the Klingon Outpost....ummm couldn't the post pick up the
Federation Transponder saying "Hi, I'm the USS Enterprise,
NCC-1701-A..." (or at least pick up that this transponder was *NOT*
Klingon, but some foreign ship that they can not identify?)  Or was
this station too low-tech to care?
From: 00nderwin@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Pix
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:49:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1993Jan26.154909.14070
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

<<some beautiful ASCII pics deleted>>

	I LOVE IT!!!!!

	Keep comming up with these ASCII pictures!

Nathan Erwin
IN%"00nderwin@virgo.bsuvc.bsu.edu"
From: cc6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chris D Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: QUES: Romulan Treaty and Neutral Zone
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:15:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfN3lFm00WBLE5F645
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    In one TNG episode, possibly titled The Defector, a defecting
Romulan, Admiral Jarok, is being used as a pawn by his fellow Romulans. 
Jarok mentions the name of the treaty between the Federation and
Romulans.  Does anyone recall if it is the Treaty of Algeron or Treaty
of Algernon?
    A second question.  Does anyone know how thick the Romulan Neutral
Zone is?  In the above episode, we learn that there is at least one star
system inside of it.  (This detail suggests it is very wide).  In the
Reunification episodes, however, we watch as three Vulcan vessels seem
to teleport across at a mere Warp 1.  (This detail suggests it is paper
thin).  Has anyone "official" decided its width or is it a plot device?
(i.e. the zone is as wide as the plot requires).
    My thanks in advance for answers.
 
Chris Castro
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Hormones (uh, pardon me...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:17:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k6n3cINNlps
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan27.175408.28829@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>This is insane! The .current people tell people to take the
>'Kira's nose' out of their group and put it into .misc. Now,
>the misc people say that it doesn't belong here either.

	Hmmmm.....must be seeing posts I'm not seeing, cause I haven't seen
any .misc readers say that....you DO realize that this thread was cross-
posted into .current, right?





-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: Re: Peter A. David...our hero?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:12:56 GMT

In article <74498@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>Now the "Deep Space 9" novel I'm working on for publication in May...*that*
>is an orginal novel.

Oh, too cruel!  No fair to tantalize us poor, innocent Trekkies this
way :-)  I know this is .misc and not .current, but couldn't you let
slip just an eensy-weensy little spoiler?

I mean, just think what it could do for the economy.  All those
keyboards shorting out from Trekkies drooling while reading r.a.st.*
could put the American computer industry back on its feet again :-)

Just little ol' me's little ol' comments
Joe
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: AFTER FINALLY SEEING
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:33:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan26.123335.19815
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <C1F7pM.Hw2@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> gee7759@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Glenn Elliott) writes:
>Christopher R. Dunlea (crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.EDU) wrote:
>: In article <1j85c8INNjec@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
>: >victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman)  writes:
>
>: >>No more ridiculous than insisting that every Star Fleet rank conform to
>: >>the current organization of the US Navy.
>
>: >Then where did 'major' come from?  Only thing I can figure is that Sisko
>: >came from a Marine military background, a branch of the Navy?  It would
>: >make sense, if this is true, since he was on a warship that battled the
>: >Borg...
>
>: Maybe. The only other thing is to realize that maybe there are other services
>: in the Federation. Remember, in the US every rank corresponds to the same
>: level, whether it is in the Navy, Army, AF or Marines. Commander Sisko 
>: would still have authority over any "major". 
>
>And he does.  Major Kira is the Bajoran Liason on DS9, but she answers to
>Commander Sisko.  Sisko holds ultimate authority over all actions on the base
>because he is the Base Commander (in addition to holding the rank of Commander).

"Major" is a *Bajoran* title, not a Starfleet one.  Kira is not part of
Starfleet.  Do we even know for sure if she is formally under the 
command of Sisko -- that is, can Sisko issue reprimands for her file and
so forth, as in "putting her head on a platter?"  Even if he could,
would it really matter that much in the eyes of her Bajoran superiors?
It is also possible that she is not formally under Sisko's command
and that she merely acts like he is in charge for convenience's sake.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek--The game!
From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:43:53 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

Hey everyone...

We are currently in the middle of playing Star Trek 25th anniversity game
and need some help from fellow Star Trek game players.

Our problem is this:

On the 5th mission (the alpha proxima III mission) we come to orbit around an
asteroid.  When we beam down we come up to this massive door that needs
to have a code (we think a number) punched in.  The only clue we have is that
the inhabitants of the planets are superstitious.  We tried just about 
everything we could think of, yet the code still alludes us.  If you anyone 
could give us the code or a hint we would be very appreciative.

Thanks.

Dave
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Young Kirk
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:59:16 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

Hello folks

I was watching the current series of "The Wonder Years" (1992 series) and it
struck me how much Fred Savage looks like a young Capt. Kirk. If they ever
make the "Academy Days" film I suggest they get Fred to play James T.



tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! I'm nowhere near 30, I'm 29!
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! Maggie O'Connell, Northern Exposure.
From: David.Berriman@anu.edu.au (Cyalodin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ST
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:36:06 GMT
Organization: The Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.56.5.37

Given the debate that is currently taking place in the USA about
homosexuality in the Armed Forces, could it be that the producers
of ST:TNG are simply reflecting the current official attitude
towards this issue?

BTW, Australia dropped it's restrictions to homosexuals in the
Forces last year.

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Where is TNG?
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:57:12 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <93022.140008AUMTS@ASUACAD.BITNET> AUMTS@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
<Supposedly new TNG episodes are on Monday at 9 o'clock on fox networks.(15 in
<Phoenix ) new Ds9 Tuesday at 9 o' reruns of TNG Weds-Fri at 9 Ds9 reruns are
<on Sat at 6 pm.  St is on at 11 am and then reruns of TNG at 6 on Sundays.

DAMN!!!!  Why can't net reader's get it through their thick skulls that TNG
and DS9 are NOT on the Fox network.  Period.  Never has never will.

It is posted here over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...
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From: tww@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Terence Wai-Juinn WONG)
Subject: Star Trek 25th Anniversary Game (IBM version)
Summary: Help!!!!!!!!
Keywords: Last mission...
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:55:30 GMT

  Can anybody give me a hint on how to defeat (?) the three ships in the final
 mission "Vengeance" ?  Any help would be appreciated.

 Regards...tww@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au
From: raeram@kittyhawk.aero.rmit.OZ.AU (Richard A. Muirden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Young Kirk
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:48:53 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: kittyhawk.aero.rmit.oz.au

A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:

>Hello folks

>I was watching the current series of "The Wonder Years" (1992 series) and it
>struck me how much Fred Savage looks like a young Capt. Kirk. If they ever
>make the "Academy Days" film I suggest they get Fred to play James T.

oh that would be just what the casters and promoters would love!!

"young hotshot star Savage plays James T. Kirk!"

somehow I don't think it would work.

Anyway, read _Best Destiny_ and tell me that is Fred Savage? :)

>tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
>serc daresbury laboratory ! I'm nowhere near 30, I'm 29!
>atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! Maggie O'Connell, Northern Exposure.

-richard

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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST VI - Question?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 07:21:50 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

David.Berriman@anu.edu.au (Cyalodin) writes:

>    When the Enterprise is on the way to save Kirk, they pass a
>    Klingon outpost and have trouble responding to them in Klingonese.
>    The reason being that the Klingons would spot the use of a
>    universal translator.  Well ...

This bothered me, too.  It must be a pretty poor translator if it can't
handle a language as thoroughly documented as Klingon (or Klingonaase,
if you prefer).

>    1) Why didn't they have the computer translate the incoming messages?
> 
>    2) Why didn't they ask to the computer to supply the response along
>       which correct pronounciation (either on a screen, or verbally,
>       or both) and then have Uhura repeat this?

My opinion?  Because the whole purpose of the scene was to inject comedy
into an otherwise grim film, and the writers decided (foolishly, I
thought) to sacrifice believability for the sake of a laugh.

That scene reminded me of the subplot in TNG "The Big Goodbye" that
forces Captain Picard to learn some lines in the Jarada language so that
he can give the proper responses to avoid offending them.  It seemed to
me that he was expending a lot of unnecessary effort:

(1) For what insane reason was he trying to learn their *writing*
    system?  A phonetic rendering would have been more than adequate for
    what he had to do.

(2) Ideally, he should just have had the computer (or Data) speak the
    proper responses in the Captain's voice.  Could the Jarada really
    tell the difference?

(3) Okay, maybe they could.  In that case, Picard should have practiced
    the responses until he had them down, then *recorded* them and
    played the recording at the proper time.  Can the Jarada really tell
    if it's live or Memorex?

(4) Well, maybe they can.  But if the Captain *has* to speak the lines
    live, at least the computer could play the correct pronunciation of
    them repeatedly so that he can memorize and repeat it.  That's the
    best way to learn a foreign language.

(5) And when the time comes, Picard should have a phonetic transcription
    of the correct responses in front of him to jog his memory.

While we're on the subject, why didn't anyone try to use a universal
translator to talk to the Probe in ST IV?  Of course, had they done so,
the Probe's message would undoubtedly have been translated as "Where are
the whales?"  Earth's humans still would not have had a good answer.
("Uh, we killed them all.  Sorry about that.  Were you close?")

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: thomsen@sctc.com (Dan Thomsen)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart, et al, in Chicago
Organization: SCTC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:02:17 GMT

Does anyone have details on Every Good Boy Deserves Favor?  Is this
a fan type event or serious theatre?


Dan Thomsen 
thomsen@sctc.com
From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:30:20 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

One wrote that the owner of a name was allowed to (mis-)pronounce
his/her name as he/she pleased. Well, since Picard is French and French
people usually like their names to be pronounced in FRENCH, it could
well be pronounced the correct way.

- Nicolas (an obnoxious Frenchman)
From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TOS Fan Writing Query ("K/S?")
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:56:36 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

   
>(4) Any fan groups writing about TOS in general, not just
>     of the K/S variety, would interest me too.  Contacts?  (I am aware
>     of the ftp archives and alt.startrek.creative!)
   
It sounds like you might be interested in a guide to current fan 
fiction.  There are several, but the one I like best is called 
"Media Monitor"  which covers fiction of all types  (from "action 
adventure" thru "slash") based on all types of TV shows and 
movies (Star Trek, Star Wars, Starsky and Hutch, Blake 7, Dr. 
Who, dozens of others.)  Issues now cost $3.50, and it comes out 
three or four times a year.  Checks should be made out to 
"Plastic Cow Productions", mail address: Plastic Cow Productions, 
P.O. Box 3081, Danville, CA 94526-8081.
  
(I have no connection to them, other than having bought their 
guide.)


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: The Last Word On O'Brien's rank!   NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Summary: rank
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:55:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.062035.5803@wuecl.wustl.edu> jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky) writes:
>In article <C19pIw.MHL@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> gee7759@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Glenn Elliott) writes:
>>Shawn Urbanavage (urbanas@reis54.alleg.edu) wrote:
>>
>>: To all those who are involved in the heated debate about O'Brien's rank:
>>
>>: 	I recently read an article in r.a.s.c that stated from a very  
>>: reliable source, information accumulated from several episodes, and  
>>: contact with Paramount that Miles O'Brien is a Chief Petty Officer.  This  
>>: information is real, valid, and inarguable.
>>
>>Unfortunately, it is also wrong.  As of the premier of Deep Space 9, O'Brien
>>is an Ensign.  I can't figure out why he's wearing a single hollow pip, though.
>>
>According to the novelization of the DS9 episode _Emissary_ by 
>J.M. Dillard, O'Brian was awarded his transfer from the Enterprise to
>the station along with a promotion from Chief Petty Officer to Ensign.
>
>	--Jon K.
>
Slight spoiler for "Babel" follows...


	Unfortunately, just to throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing,   
in "Babel", one gets a very good look at O'Brien's neck as he lies on a
diagnostic table, and he is wearing the single hollow pip again.  Perhaps he's
so used to it that he just put it on by accident that morning ? :-).

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	Just adding more fuel to the fire, it's ruderg@rpi.edu!
		Gregory A. Ruderman...AKA Dooley.the.Mauve

	"I thought that front wheel was sticking a little"
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From: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: ST:DEEP SPACE NINE, P
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 

-> Well, what I saw(and heard) was that the Trill(what you referred to
-> as a slug) at first didn't understand why Crusher was having a
-> problem with it's female form.  I then heard Beverly explain that it
-> was her personal belief system that prevented her from continuing the
-> love relationship with the Trill in a woman's body.  Beverly
-> practically apologised for this "shortcoming" and the Trill then
-> clarified that s/he would always love and have exceedingly fond
-> memories of their time together.  Finally, I saw what, for me, was a
-> more effective scene than if they had kissed, when the Trill touched
-> Bev's hand as she exited. Anyway, that's what I saw.

   This isn't actually related, but in the last DS9 episode (where Odo
is accused of murder), Dax and Sisko discuss her Trill existance.  I
thought it was interesting that she mentioned the name of her past host
as if he had his own personality.  She said something like "<name> felt
that..." or something to that effect.  I've been wondering if the hosts
were just non-intelligent bodies that the slugs just enter and use, but
it appears that both of their personalities somehow merge.  The upcoming
episode "Dax" should hopefully illuminate this more...

Paul Parkhurst

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From: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: STAR TREK MOVIES- HAS
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 

-> I don't know about anybody here commenting on this message, but one
-> thing I noticed right away in the video version and the HBO version
-> was they cut out the scene were kirk was being simultaneously being
-> beamed up and shot at on the prison planet from the movie version. I
-> was wondering why they cut out this scene? When they first showed
-> movie previews on tv, they used this scene quite extensively, to the
-> point that I thought kirk was going to die in ST: VI The Undiscovered
-> Country. Any Comments

   I honestly can't remember if that scene was even in the theatrical
release.  However, it is common for movie trailers to use scenes that
were cut from the final release of the movie.  This is probably what
happened here.  Other examples is the Michael Caine/Steve Martin movie
"Dirty Rotten Scoundrels."  In the trailers, they show the two of them
walking calmly next to a swimming pool, when one of them pushes a woman
into the pool.  Also, in "Memoirs of an Invisible Man," they showed a
scene in the trailer with Chevy Chase and Darryl Hannah in bed (with
Chevy Chase being invisible, of course) and she elbows him from behind.
This was also not in the movie.

Paul Parkhurst

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