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From: jhines@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Joseph Hines)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Castle Con
Summary: Comming soon
Keywords: castle con
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:20:44 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA


soon I will post the dates for castle con 5 (#?) 

July 3-5 at the double tree hotel south of the pentagon.

more information can be found out if necesary

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From: ubte30e@ucl.ac.uk (Mr R Burton-west)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:10:38 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Um... this may seem kind of obvious, but what about giving them some Bob
Forward to chew over?  At least you can be reasonably sure _his_ science is
plausible :)

Books (off the top of my head) are Dragon's Egg, Starquake, Flight of the
Dragonfly; possibly others?



                        
Roger Burton-West
"Don't flame me - I'm lost too."


FFForward to chew over?
From: Bob_Hearn@qm.claris.com (Robert Hearn)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: star trek teaching
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:48:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sci.planetary
Organization: Spartacus Software

In article <1jg6fmINNihe@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl
J Lydick) wrote:
> 
> In article <119.30.uupcb@pcs.sj.ca.us>, paul.burnett@pcs.sj.ca.us (Paul Burnett)  writes:
> >TO: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
> >
> >CJL>DO NOT use Star Trek as a teaching tool.
> >
> >   >Examples:
> >   >    The rapid decay of the Enterprise's orbit.
> >
> >Ah - you remind me of one of my favorites:  The Enterprise goes into
> >geosynchronous orbit over the north pole.  <ROTFL>
> 
> So?  There's nothing wrong with that.  Geosynchronous means that they end up
> over the same spot on the planet at the same time every day.  A spacecraft in a
> polar orbit at 22,600 miles (I think that's the right distance) altitude *IS*
> in a geosynchronlus orbit.  Now, if they'd gone into a GEOSTATIONARY orbit
> (perhaps that's what you meant?) over the north pole, you'd have a valid point.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
> 
> Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
> understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
> unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
> organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
> hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.


I think it was geostationary orbit over the south pole, actually.  The only
way this make sense is if "orbit" is used as a term to mean "parked by this
planet."  I have no doubt the Enterprise's engines could keep her
stationary
above the south pole.  Given the ability to do this easily, a freefall
orbit
might be the exception rather than the rule.

Bob Hearn
Spartacus Software

Opinions expressed here are those of my empolyer, since that's me.
From: kkobayas@husc8.harvard.edu (Ken Kobayashi)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:17:16 GMT
 <1jsaguINNdss@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan24.105503.4842@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <1993Jan26.171038.33630@ucl.ac.uk>

ubte30e@ucl.ac.uk (Mr R Burton-west) writes:

>Um... this may seem kind of obvious, but what about giving them some Bob
>Forward to chew over?  At least you can be reasonably sure _his_ science is
>plausible :)

>Books (off the top of my head) are Dragon's Egg, Starquake, Flight of the
>Dragonfly; possibly others?

   You forgot _Rocheworld_!  Great book.  Based on _Flight of the
Dragonfly_.  Most of his boks rely too heavily on the science, but they
would make excellent teaching tools I think.  Gregory Benford is very
scientific too.  He's an astronomer himself.  _Heart of the Comet_ has
almost everything, from orbital mechanics (even has diagrams) to biology. 
That's where I, an astronomy student, got interested in biology also. 
(well maybe exobiology:)  Also all books by Arthur C. Clarke are scientific or
philosophical or both.

>                        
>Roger Burton-West
>"Don't flame me - I'm lost too."


>FFForward to chew over? 
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary,sci.astro
From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Subject: Elementary planetary geology questions
Followup-To: alt.sci.planetary
Summary: now provide ascii and Postscript 
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:38:59 GMT

I had posted a note a few weeks ago about sharing my base of some 319
planetary geology questions via ftp anonymous on this workstation
(under pub/cain) using only Word Perfect format. I had offered others
but pointed out that there are a few graphic equations. The numerous
responses have resulted in my also adding an ascii version (sans some
material) and a Postscript version. All of these are unix compressed
so need to be transferred by ftp in binary mode.
Feedback and added questions are welcome, even if higher level than
those on my initial set.


Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu   
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
(904) 644-4014		FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098
From: han@legs.gps.caltech.edu (Hari Nair)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Solar eclipse Question
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:05:58 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: legs.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1jp9fbINN9nj@gap.caltech.edu> leroy@cluster.gps.caltech.edu (Stephen Leroy) writes:
>
>Since the moon is not in the Earth's orbital plane, we don't get eclipses
>every 29 days.  I don't even think the moon is in the Earth's equatorial
>plane, otherwise we would get eclipses only at or very near equinoxes.
>Perhaps someone will find for us the moon's inclination to the equatorial
>plane in the Astro. Almanac?.
>-- 
>Stephen Leroy                                | Disclaimer:  Caltech knows
>Division of Geological and Planetary Science | better than to take
>California Institute of Technology           | responsibility for what I
>leroy@(cluster,satur1).gps.caltech.edu       | may claim.

The moon's orbit is inclined to the Earth's orbital plane by about five
degrees, so the only time we get a solar eclipse is when the moon crosses
the ecliptic (twice a month) AND the Sun happens to be in the same place!
Thus they only occur a few times a year. Steve, didn't they teach you
anything in GE103?

Hari Nair
han@cluster.gps.caltech.edu
From: rclark@lpl.arizona.edu (Richard Clark x4971)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:55:03 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1jsaguINNdss@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.190310.15506@athena.mit.edu>, wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey) writes:
>>Some good scifi staples for high school students are probably Bradbury's
>>"Martian Chronicles" and "R is for Rocket".
>
>Sarcasm ON:
>
>Right.  Teach 'em science using Bradbury's mystical bullshit and ubiquitous
>sacrifice of anything resembling fact in favor of style.
>
>Sarcasm  OFF.
>
>Question: What's your major, literature?  If you advocate using Bradbury to
>help teach science, you pretty clearly know nothing about science.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
>
My personal feelings about Bradbury's writing closely parallel Carl's.
However at least some of RB's stories could still be used as the starting
point for elementary discussions in physics (maybe political sci and econ
as well:-) 'What is wrong with this picture?' is a good way to start the
discussion and it may even play off the rebelliousness of youth and stimulate
them to learn the little basic science needed to rip the stories to shreds.

Richard Clark
rclark@lpl.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: scime@128.104.39.173
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Reply-To: scime@128.104.39.173
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin, Plasma Physics
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:01:18 EST

Benford is a plasma physcist, not an astronomer.
From: Bob_Hearn@qm.claris.com (Robert Hearn)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:27:01 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sci.planetary
Organization: Spartacus Software

In article <C16H1H.BzJ@csulb.edu>, dpalmer@csulb.edu (David Palmer) wrote:
> 
> 
[ stuff deleted ]
> 
>    --Most recently, Scotty and Geordie transported THROUGH SHIELDS.
>      A *big* ST no-no.
> 

Well, that was through FAILING shields, that were 80 years old, and whose
energy was directed at the closing doors, not the Enterprise, and O'Brien
was at the transporter controls.  They could have pulled it off.  It did
deserve a comment, though.

> 
> 
[ more stuff deleted ]
> 


Bob Hearn
Spartacus Software

Opinions expressed here are those of my empolyer, since that's me.
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:41:02 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan23.190310.15506@athena.mit.edu>, wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey) writes:
>Some good scifi staples for high school students are probably Bradbury's
>"Martian Chronicles" and "R is for Rocket".

Sarcasm ON:

Right.  Teach 'em science using Bradbury's mystical bullshit and ubiquitous
sacrifice of anything resembling fact in favor of style.

Sarcasm  OFF.

Question: What's your major, literature?  If you advocate using Bradbury to
help teach science, you pretty clearly know nothing about science.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:32:28 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1jsaguINNdss@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan23.190310.15506@athena.mit.edu>, wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey) writes:
|> >Some good scifi staples for high school students are probably Bradbury's
|> >"Martian Chronicles" and "R is for Rocket".
|> 
|> Sarcasm ON:
|> 
|> Right.  Teach 'em science using Bradbury's mystical bullshit and ubiquitous
|> sacrifice of anything resembling fact in favor of style.
|> 
|> Sarcasm  OFF.
|> 
|> Question: What's your major, literature?  If you advocate using Bradbury to
|> help teach science, you pretty clearly know nothing about science.

	nope, it's biology (literature at MIT?!?!?).  bradbury may not be 
technically correct (i never said he was), but he does inspire creativity and 
the ability to dream, which are both important qualities for young budding
scientists to have.  let the imagination flow.


						-Aaron Woolsey

						 wools@athena.mit.edu
From: christos@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Solar eclipse Question
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:03:33 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello there,

	I have a question concerning the solar eclipse.
1. Is the moon rotating around the earth in a single plane sothat every 29 days
it comes in between the sun and the earth? If that is the case different places
of the earth should have solar eclipse every 29 days(period of the ratatioon of
the moon around the earth).

	I would appreciate any relevant response..

Feel free to send mail to 
Internet Address: RSL11@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:02:55 GMT
Reply-To: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf)
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

If they are of jr high or high school age, Heinlein's Time For The Stars
is hard to beat for an intro on time dilation and special relativity.

-- 
	dr memory
	jbulf@kpc.com
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: eparvier@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (EPARVIER FRANCIS G)
Subject: Re: Solar eclipse Question
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:48:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.230333.46626@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> christos@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>1. Is the moon rotating around the earth in a single plane sothat every 29 days
>it comes in between the sun and the earth? If that is the case different places
>of the earth should have solar eclipse every 29 days(period of the ratatioon of
>the moon around the earth).
>

The plane of the Moon's orbit about the Earth is inclined by about 5 degrees
to the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. (The latter is called the
plane of the ecliptic.)  The intersection of these two planes is called
the "line of nodes".  An eclipse of the Sun or of the Moon can only occur
when the line between the Sun and the Earth coincides with the line of nodes.
This occurs twice a year and those times are called "eclipse seasons".  
One season is for lunar eclipses and the other for solar eclipses.
The eclipse seasons are not exactly six months apart, as you would expect,
because the orbit of the Moon is slowly precessing with respect to the
fixed stars.  The inclination of the Moon's orbit stays constant, but
the direction of the line of nodes in space is rotating with a period of
18.6 years.  Because of this, the eclipse seasons occur about 173 days
apart rather than 182 days apart (365/2).  This is called "regression of
nodes".  But eclipses do not occur twice a year because the Moon is not
always at, or even near to, one of the nodes during the eclipse seasons.
The 29.5 day period of the Moon in the Earth's sky is independent of 
the periods of the eclipse seasons, so an eclipse can only happen when
they coincide.  Actually, because the Earth and Moon are not point
objects, and their shadows have decent cross sections, some slop is
allowed in how close the line of nodes, the Earth-Sun line, and the
position of the moon in its orbit in order for an eclipse (partial or
total, solar or lunar) to occur.

					Frank Eparvier
					University of Colorado-Boulder
					Laboratory for Atmospheric
					  and Space Physics
					eparvier@sertan.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: wools@athena.mit.edu (Aaron M Woolsey)
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:03:10 GMT

In article <1jojh1INNt5t@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
|> In article <C16H1H.BzJ@csulb.edu>, dpalmer@csulb.edu (David Palmer) writes:
|> =Good science fiction is a superb teaching tool. It stretches the imagination,
|> =gives people ideas and goals to work for (or against). Many of today's 
|> =scientists were inspired in their youth by reading science fiction. 
|> 
|> YES! Have your class read _Ringworld_.  Let them talk about it for a while.
|> Then give 'em _Ringworld_Engineers_ (and make 'em read the preface!) to see the
|> sort of things they missed.
|> 
|> =I myself have recently latched onto a couple of promising ideas by reading
|> =Arthur Clarke's "Ghost From the Grand Banks." Clarke is one of the best at
|> =giving his readers technology problems to solve. He was the one who first
|> =suggested using satellites to relay communications around the earth.


	how about Huxley's "Brave New World" with its frightening view of genetic
engineering, or Lem's "Return from the stars" with its seemingly technologically
content utopia, or LeGuin's "The Dispossessed" with its invention of the
'ansible'(Orson Scott Card pays tribute to her by using this term in "Ender's
Game")...or actually, any of LeGuin's books that deal with the league of planets. 
Niven's "Ringworld" was interesting, but his writing style is severely lacking; 
he's not the most descriptive of authors, and it may be difficult to
get high school students to actually like the book because it doesn't flow.  Some
good scifi staples for high school students are probably Bradbury's "Martian
Chronicles" and "R is for Rocket".
	for just plain, simple science fiction enjoyment, Clarke's "Childhood's
End" is quite a good read.  We had to read it in my high school 'future lit.'
class, and it still remains as one of my favorite scifi books.

					-Aaron Woolsey

					 wools@athena.mit.edu
From: murison@cfa.harvard.edu (Marc A. Murison)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Moon's inclination (was Re: Solar eclipse Question)
Summary: Moon's inclination isn't *really* constant
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:17:22 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory

In article <1993Jan24.184850.7369@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> eparvier@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (EPARVIER FRANCIS G) writes:
>
>[...]  The inclination of the Moon's orbit stays constant...
>
Very Minor Nit:  For purposes of the eclipse discussion, this statement is 
fine.  However, FYI the Moon's inclination isn't truly constant (hah, 
nothing ever is).  The component of the gravitational force due to the Sun 
perpendicular to the Moon's orbital plane causes the Moon's inclination to 
vary.  The largest term has a period of half an anomalistic year (perihelion 
to perihelion) and an amplitude of 8.7 arc minutes.  
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Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary,sci.astro
From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)
Subject: Re: Solar eclipse Question
Followup-To: sci.astro
Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:45:13 GMT

In article <1jp9fbINN9nj@gap.caltech.edu> leroy@cluster.gps.caltech.edu (Stephen Leroy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.230333.46626@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> christos@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>>1. Is the moon rotating around the earth in a single plane sothat every 29 days
>>it comes in between the sun and the earth?

>Since the moon is not in the Earth's orbital plane, we don't get eclipses
>every 29 days.

<much deleted above.>

This brings up a point that is mentioned in Wagner's "Introduction to
the Solar System" (p. 208) that has been nagging me. He states 

	"Unlike most planetary satellites, the Moon does not orbit in
its planet's equatorial plane. Instead, it orbits nearly in the
ecliptic plane, with an orbital inclination of 5.15 deg. Various
pertubations cause this value to vary between 4.95 and 5.33 deg. The
fact that the Moon does not orbit in the Earth's equatorial plane may
be a clue to its origin, indicating that it is a captured object."

	I have not seen any such statement elsewhere, though it is the
kind of thing that might be buried in Hartmann and I missed. My
questions are:

1. Is the geometry described true?

2. Has anyone speculated on the relation to the origin of the
Moon?

3. Are there other satellites orbits similarly oriented?


Joseph Cain		cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu   
cain@fsu.bitnet		scri::cain
(904) 644-4014		FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098
From: leroy@cluster.gps.caltech.edu (Stephen Leroy)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Solar eclipse Question
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:04:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: cluster.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan21.230333.46626@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> christos@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Hello there,
>
>	I have a question concerning the solar eclipse.
>1. Is the moon rotating around the earth in a single plane sothat every 29 days
>it comes in between the sun and the earth? If that is the case different places
>of the earth should have solar eclipse every 29 days(period of the ratatioon of
>the moon around the earth).
>
>	I would appreciate any relevant response..
>
>Feel free to send mail to 
>Internet Address: RSL11@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

Since the moon is not in the Earth's orbital plane, we don't get eclipses
every 29 days.  I don't even think the moon is in the Earth's equatorial
plane, otherwise we would get eclipses only at or very near equinoxes.
Perhaps someone will find for us the moon's inclination to the equatorial
plane in the Astro. Almanac?.
-- 
Stephen Leroy                                | Disclaimer:  Caltech knows
Division of Geological and Planetary Science | better than to take
California Institute of Technology           | responsibility for what I
leroy@(cluster,satur1).gps.caltech.edu       | may claim.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
From: dpalmer@csulb.edu (David Palmer)
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:18:29 GMT



ubte30e@ucl.ac.uk (Mr R Burton-west) writes:

>Um... this may seem kind of obvious, but what about giving them some Bob
>Forward to chew over?  At least you can be reasonably sure _his_ science is
>plausible :)

And kkobayas@husc8.harvard.edu (Ken Kobayashi) writes:

>   You forgot _Rocheworld_!  Great book.  Based on _Flight of the
>Dragonfly_.  Most of his boks rely too heavily on the science, but they
>would make excellent teaching tools I think.  Gregory Benford is very
>scientific too.  He's an astronomer himself.  _Heart of the Comet_ has
>almost everything, from orbital mechanics (even has diagrams) to biology. 


   The trouble with _Rocheworld_ is that Forward spends TOO much time on 
developing plausible science. He has overlong, contrived scenes where some 
character feels the need to explain the science behind something in 
EXCRUCIATING detail. On a literary level, I found the book silly and shallow,
with cardboard characters. It's perhaps on an acceptable level for Jr. High 
students. But then, they might not get the science...which IS quite good.
One scene I really liked in _Rocheworld_ was when the commander of the 
expidition is chewing out one of the astronauts for playing politics. She 
says something to the effect of, "...do you think you're in some pot-boiler
SF novel where intrigue takes the place of plot development?"
Well, YEAH. Now that you mention it...
Couldn't figure out if Forward was making a self-referential joke, or what.

I seem to recall _Heart of the Comet_ started out a tad silly (seemed like
every character was a stereotype), but turned into a decent read. Then again,
I was in London at the time going through the death rites of another love
affair, so my judgement may have been clouded. London has become the
elephant's graveyard of my love life. But THAT'S another story...



-- 
              Dave Palmer             dpalmer@csulb.edu

********************I finally found the perfect woman,*********************** 
*****************but she was looking for the perfect man*********************
From: paul.burnett@pcs.sj.ca.us (Paul Burnett) 
Newsgroups: alt.sci.planetary
Subject: Re: Star Trek teaching
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PCS-BBS - San Jose, CA - 408-270-4085
Reply-To: paul.burnett@pcs.sj.ca.us (Paul Burnett) 

TO: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU

CJL>Question: What's your major, literature?  If you advocate using Bradbury to
   >help teach science, you pretty clearly know nothing about science.

My thoughts too - isn't it Bradbury who refuses to learn how to drive?
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