HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Presidential Qualities
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:01:39 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
*|> To say that Bill Clinton's alleged successes as Governor of Arkansas
*|> qualify him to be President of the US is like saying the shoeshine
*|> stand operator in the airport is qualified to be CEO of IBM.
*To say that Bushs experience as an oilman in Texas when money was
*growing on trees qualifies him to be president ....

*To say that Reagan's alleged successes as an actor or the head of the
*screen actors guild qualified him to be president ...

*At least in the last two, we have proof the qualification was bogus.

I don't remember the entire curricula vitae% for both Presidents Bush
and Reagan, but at least give Ron a little more credit for being
governor of California. Bush was also ambassador to China, ambassador to
the United Nations, and CIA director. Compared to Dukakis's resume, Bush
was the more qualified person. We can all argue now whether a resume is
indicative of performance or not.

% I don't know the plural for vitae in Latin.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.history,soc.culture.usa
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.195741.27981@bnr.ca> snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello) writes:
>Just out of curiosity...
>
>Could my fellow 'netters' answer these two questions (please post)
>
>1) how old are you ?

28.

>2) could your history survive the media scrutiny required to be
>   elected president ?

Hell, girl, my history couldn't survive the scrutiny required to teach
high-school in most states.  Nothing _I'm_ ashamed of, but not good PR
material in this year of "family values."

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||"And it won't be long                 
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           || When everything you said             
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| Won't sit around and pile up with the
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    || traffic in my head." -- Alison Moyet
From: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: SuperCollider: "For" or "Against" -- Tell the Committee  @ tele...
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:34:56
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics16.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: hallam@zeus02.desy.de's message of 24 Jul 92 08:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.081846.20002@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:

> I can't see how anyone would want to do a 25 year run, anything with a
> cross section that small just won't be seen, the probability of some
> wierd process faking the signal would just be too high. Most machine
> runs are five years in the first instance followed by an upgrade program
> and another five year run.  Unless there is a further experiment using
> the ring there would be no real point in running longer. The machine is
> really targeted to find just two particles, the top quark and higgs
> boson.

Oh, I don't belive *that*.  If I did, then there's no way I could
justify having the SSC at all.  I certainly hope that CDF or D0 will
find the top long before the SSC is turned on, and as for the Higgs,
well, even if it does exist, finding it will just be the first
step---studying it, and understanding it, will take a great deal more
work.  If its mass is sufficiently high, it will take years of data
just to see it at all, and more years to study its couplings well
enough to tell whether or not it is the Higgs boson of the minimal
Standard Model.

And then, of course, there are the other studies to be done; if an
extra neutral gauge boson (Z') is found, for example, it will require
at least a few years of study to gather enough statistics for a good
measurement of its couplings.

But it is true, of course: operating costs of $1 billion is a wildly
inflated figure, and I don't know where anybody could possibly have
gotten that number from.  25 years of running without an upgrade also
seems like a bizarre number.
--
Matthew Austern              I dreamt I was being followed by a roving band of
(510) 644-2618               of young Republicans, all wearing the same suit,
matt@physics.berkeley.edu    taunting me and shouting, "Politically correct
austern@theorm.lbl.gov       multiculturist scum!"... They were going to make
austern@lbl.bitnet	     me kiss Jesse Helms's picture when I woke up.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
From: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Subject: Re: College Pranks (Was Re: Vacation Time!)
Reply-To: art@wciu.edu (Art Nicolaysen)
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 04:05:57 GMT

In article <ru6f9ev@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:

[... details of Caltech prank deleted]

>A friend of mine who had gone to CalTech was full of stories like this, but
>one I remember in particular he said had happened NOT at CalTech but where
>he'd gone for undergraduate work.  He said that in one of the dorms there
>was a stairwell to which all the doors opened inward.  (The door to outdoors
>opened into the stairwell, and the doors from the stairwell to each floor
>also opened into the stairwell.)  One Prank Night the stoonts got the doors
>closed for the first few flights, then turned on the fire sprinkler just in
>the stairwell.  It filled up a couple of stories.  The water pressure pre-
>vented the lower doors (including the door out) from opening, and the stoonts
>went to upper floors via other stairwells and went snorkeling in the flooded
>stairwell.  The admin had to call the fire department to pump out the stair-
>well from an upper-storey window.
>
>Not nearly as imaginative was the time a FOAF in my college got fed up with
>all the partying in her hall during final exams.  She got some climbing rope,
>tied the doorknobs of her loud neighbors together (all the doors opened in-
>1812 Overture at full volume.
>ward), put her stereo's speakers out into the hall, and at 3 AM, played the


Climbing rope, huh?  At Stanford, I got fed up with the freshmen
& freshwomen from a neighboring dorm who crashed our formal dinner.
(the interruption wasn't a real bother, but they came in bathrobes and
pajamas.)  So, my roommate and I took up a penny collection, and
imprisioned the frosh in their rooms about 2:30AM.  Basically, you
approach (inward-closing) door from the outside, and stick one penny
(maybe two) above the latch, and one penny below.  If done right, the 
doorknob cannot be turned from the inside.  Works best on solid wood 
doors and metal doorjamb molding.

The expected panic ensued next morning (half the dorm had a 8:00AM  
calculus exam), until someone tried *pulling* on the doorknob before 
attempting to turn it.

-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------
  "A classic is a book that people       | Art Nicolaysen    art@wvus.org
   buy, and then don't bother to read" 	 |
  		     Mark Twain		 | (somewhere in los angeles county)
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Dole attack backfires
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:55:00 GMT

NY Times headline:
	Dole Asserts Gore Traded War Vote

This attack quickly led to the following remarks from Gore:
	A ridiculous cheap shot from a Republican campaign that was 
	meaner, panicked, and in trouble ...
	Political panic sometimes brings out Senator Dole's dark side.

It seems that unless/until the Republican Party brings their campaign
back in the race, their attacks can't work.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:57:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.071449.12460@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>This example is, of course, a considerable simplification of 
>>a complex process.  For instance, we have not considered how
>>the price of housing will rise for Tasmanians, or how
>>analogous processes in the job market will cause them to
>>have less money to bid for housing.  
>Mind justifying that?  After all, why won't the 60% who don't mind
>Tasmanians try to take advantage of the Tasmanian labor pool that the
>bigots won't hire?  Either the Tasmanian wage rises to the national
>average or the bigots lose money evey day they don't hire Tasmanians.

However, the likely result is that the bigots lose money every day they don't
hire Tasmanians.  Bigots are quite willing to pay money to not have
minorities around.  This doesn't imply that the bigot is going to go out of
business due to this loss of money.  It's true someone can compete with the
bigot, but that doesn't necessarily drive the bigot out of business if he has a
supply of bigoted customers.
--
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Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Homeless
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:17:20 GMT
            <1992Jul28.003435.8532@cheshire.oxy.edu>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <1992Jul28.003435.8532@cheshire.oxy.edu>
 by leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt):

: This is one thing I find hard to understand... how can an insurance company
: jack up your premiums/rates and/or drop you, when you become sick, or one
: of your employees does?  
:
: This seems like changing the terms of a contract after it is signed...

Not if those are the terms of the contract.  Let's face it, how many
people read their contracts?  Then, upon reading it, change anything
they find distasteful?

Attorneys, scourge of civilization that they are, can be very useful in
this regard.  Any "standard form" that *_any_* company gives you to sign
is going to be in *_their_* best interests.  Attorneys can show you how 
to modify their "standard form" so that *_your_* interests get in there
also.

Plus, insurance companies reserve the right to change the contract
anyway, when it's time to renew.  Then, you get a brand-spankin' new
contract, which you can either sign and pay up, or forget and shop
around.  And, sure enough, most premium rate-hikes and cancellations 
occur at renewal time.  The company just sez, "Hey, we think you're 
too risky, so we refuse to renew.  You can't MAKE us insure you!"

: [...]
: maybe someone should set up a databank of companies that practice 
: these policies, and find out if any don't
: or do so less competitively, so people have better pricing information and
: thus companies have an incentive to behave better, or they'll lose business.

That's actually a very good idea.  The AAA rates motels and such, by
keeping a similar database of complaints and/or compliments they receive
from members, plus performing their own inspections.  Motels and hotels 
value that AAA rating very highly, and motorists have come to see that 
as a sure sign of quality.

Of course, there's no law that says you MUST sleep in a motel ...

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, batteries not included, void where prohibited.
College is like a woman -- you work so hard to get in, and nine months
later you wish you'd never come.
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From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:11:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul20.223738.6179@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>   elected president ?
>
>Well I have two strikes against me. I'm black. I'm gay. I think its

Save it for Donohue we don't need it here.


-- 
Richard Crisp         Cupertino, Ca.         crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk    "what, me worry?"    (408) 253 4541 fax

To say that Bill Clinton's alleged successes as Governor of Arkansas
qualify him to be President of the US is like saying the shoeshine
stand operator in the airport is qualified to be CEO of IBM.
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: First 20 Spy reasons not to vote for Bush
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:38:06 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes:

>demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

>>In article <1992Jul30.141043.13124@cc.gatech.edu>, barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes:
>>> 2.  The JFK Thing.
>>	What JFK thing?
>His name was in the phone book of a Lee Harvey Oswald associate.
So what?  My Senators names and numbers are in my phone book, along with my
Congressman's, the White House switchboard, etc.  What the $#(*$#) does
that prove?  Nothing.  Repeat, Nothing.

 -Steve
--
 The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                        -------------------
     adams@spss.com                           Phone: (312) 329-3522
     Steve Adams                              Fax:   (312) 329-3558
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Keep Your Pollution!" (Article)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:53:34 EST
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: More drivel from the ex-communists

In article <9207280232.AA12737@poly.math.cornell.edu>, harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:

>                    Keep Your Pollution! Says One Expert
>                              by Maneka Gandhi
> 
>     Practically all environmental degradation in the East is due to 
> overconsumption in the West.

	Evidence, please.

	[...stuff about India deleted...]

	Since when is India the "east"?  Since when does a country that largely
was pro-Soviet and anti-US (thanx to the Pakistan-India conflicts) count as an
example of the evil of the west?

	If this is as good as it gets, please don't bother continuing.  Silesia
awaits your analysis.

Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.censorship
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: More Nilges obfuscation (was: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court)
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:56:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.135455.10286@Princeton.EDU>
egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.043442.12608@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul18.223150.20604@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:

>  Racism is what society does to people not
>of the approved race, which is white.

What about societies where the approved race (whatever that means) is
not white?  Is race-based mistreatment of people of non-dominant races
in that society racism?

>  Racism is a historical artifact
>of European domination.  

So if some other group had dominated the world, there would be no
racism?  Ed, do you really believe that non-European groups would have
treated members of other races fairly?  (If so, you have no
understanding of world history.)  Or do you merely mean that if some
other group had dominated, English would not be the current language,
so we wouldn't be talking about "racism" but about the same word in
some other language?

>The 1948 prediction that Dewey would defeat Truman was made by the
>Republican paper The Chicago Tribune (a paper whose monopolistic
>practices have since destroyed its major, more liberal competitor, the
>Chicago Daily News.)

Funny, in the economics I studied, monopolistic practices include such
things as raising your prices, decreasing your services, etc.  It's
hard to see how such things would lead to the destruction of your
competition, rather than to its dominance.


Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:44:51 CDT


In article <1992Jul18.202959.6262@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
> In article <-5am+ar.crisp@netcom.com>, crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
> > Let's face it, the guy is a buffoon and is in way over his head. He simply
> > isn't qualified ans sure as hell isn't polished enough to be prez. Governor
> > of a backward state like Arkansas, yes, President of the US, NO!
> 
> Could you detail your reasons for asserting that
> 
>    1)  he's a buffoon
>    2)  he's in over his head
>    3)  he's not qualified
>    4)  he's not polished

Or in context of the election:

   1)  Is Clinton a bigger a buffoon than Bush?
   2)  Is Clinton more "over his head" than Bush?
   3)  Is Clinton less qualified than Bush has proven to be?
   4)  Is Clinton less polished than Bush?

Clinton may not be great, but Bush has lowered the standard.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: mitch@coriolis.UUCP (Mitch)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Real Estate News Summary, Part 108
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:25:10 PDT
Organization: Albedo Communications

asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:

> Written in article <1992Jul23.002508.6386@adobe.com>
>  by hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi):
> 
> : The Bush administration and many in Congress want to tighten controls on
> : Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  The reason:  The billions in mortgage
> : securities the 2 companies have issued represent a potential liability to
> : the U.S. taxpayer of more than $800 billion.  But the profits from the 2
> : companies go to private investors.  The volume of mortgage-backed
> : securities has grown explosively, from $100 billion a decade ago to $1
> : trillion today. [Wall Street Journal]
> 
> Sounds like we're waiting for another S&L crisis to hit!
> 
> Thinking about it, this IS a rather interesting situation ... the risk
> is burdened by the US taxpayer, but the profits go to private investors.
> Wouldn't it be more "fair" to either let the private investors shoulder
> the risk, or take some of that profit as a means of reducing the budget
> deficit, and/or reducing taxes?
> 
> I'm sure somebody can explain to me why I'm full of it.
> 
> -- 

Better yet, how about if someone explains to us to begin with, what the 
funding mechanisms ARE for these programs.  Does 
government-bears-the-risk mean that they are insured, and if so was that 
insurance paid for?  Or is it really, the way it's being said here, a 
matter of you-guys-own-it-if-it-makes-a-loss?

   Thanks,
   Mitch
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: More Dan Quayle Stuff...
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:38:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.152221.25025@usl.edu>, pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>
>	I heard on "the radio" the other day
>	that some people are going around on the net
>	saying they heard things on the radio.
>
>	Maybe they're suffering from LSD flashbacks.
>
>	Maybe they're receiving signals on their fillings.
>
>	Or maybe they're just trying to start nasty rumors.

If they're hearing "Radio Free Lafayette", that could well be the case --
but I suspect it's a lot simpler than that:  they just plain don't agree
with you...

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 
         What will our "leaders" do once the Constitution is gone --
                   and we STILL have a drug problem???
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From: dbetz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Drew Betz)
Subject: Re: Against Our Will
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:52:45 GMT

In article <11400@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>2. I now have children, and I worry for their safety.  I have
>discovered, by reading soc.motss, and watching the coverage of
>gay parades, that there is substantial support for child molestation
>in the gay community -- perhaps not a majority, but certainly a
>large enough minority that there has been great reluctance to
>exclude groups like NAMBLA.

[other stuff about gays molesting children deleted]

If Clayton is correct, I would forward that the gay community is
doing itself considerable damage by not actively denouncing child
molestation.  Gays are already fighting an unhill battle for
acceptance: Asking mainstream America to accept an alternative
lifestyle that includes sex with children is a public relations
disaster.  And why would a majority of non-molestors even
*want* such a minority among themselves?

Note: I'm a Libertarian.  I neither condone nor denounce the
gay lifestyle - it is an individual's decision to make.  But
I do think I'm being realistic in that the public will *never*
tolerate a 35 year old gay having sex with an 8 year old (nor
should it).  If Clayton's right, its too easy to lump the gays
together and get a "Damn the fags" mentality from an average
American.  

Drew 
--
drew betz : wj8k : dbetz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu   
"Our campaign is the opposite of 'competence.'"
- Clinton aide Eli Segal, quoted in the 7/22/92 _Wall Street Journal_ 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Farewell Perot
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:45:44 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <MATT.92Jul23124739@physics.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>I hope that Domino's is going to do this; if they do, then I expect
>that they would be caught, and severly punished.  Unfortunately, I
>don't think that they are that stupid.
>--
Ha! I had the misfortune of working for that disgusting restaurant
for years...for lack of anyone else who would hire me.  I was only
in my teens.  They ARE that stupid.

Cat
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