HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dcr3567@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.C. Richardson )
Subject: Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing
Originator: dcr3567@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:41:23 GMT

>}replace that light little trackball. You need the smoothest 25 mm
>}marble you can find. I am going to try out this suggestion to
>}find a heavier ball for an Appoint Mouse pen I own. 
>

You might try going to an Engineering Hardware place and get a 25 MM
ball bearing (or a 25mm diameter/12.5 mm radius ball gage).  I can tell
you this: THEY are smooth.

-Dan

-- 
Daniel C. Richardson
Rochester Institute Of Technology     /    Mechanical Engineering Dept.
Before they were called Engineers, they were dubbed Artisans.  Before
one can be considered an Artisan, one must be able to be an Artist.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans)
Subject: Looking for Info About Mac X Server Pkgs
Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com
Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:33:48 GMT

Hi, I'm looking for information about Macintosh X-Window server
packages (i.e., those which let you run X applications from
remote hosts in Mac windows).  Please reply via e-mail.  Thanks.
-- 
Tim Evans                     |    E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co.
tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com  |    Experimental Station
(302) 695-9353/7395           |    P.O. Box 80357
                              |    Wilmington, Delaware 19880-0357
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: chrisg@ccird.uucp (Chris Garrigues)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Organization: Cooperative Computing, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:50:30 GMT

In article <6983@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:
>Even though it's not a "computer", I'd lobby for making it a comp.* group - we
>don't get too many alt.* groups here.
>
For the same reason, I'd also prefer that it not be an alt.* group.

Where it does go isn't important to me as long as it's in the standard
tree.

Chris


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: pjs1@cec2.wustl.edu (Philip John Schielke)
Subject: Re: PB100/Price Club Story in MacWeek
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:12:31 GMT

>	Other PowerBook 100 models will continue to be sold through dealer
>	channels."

Yeah I read this article too.  However, our campus computer store no longer
sells *any* PB100's.  I have called three mail order places and none of them
have 100's anymore.  The couple of mail order places that list prices for
100's (in the new issue of MacUser) have 4/40's for about $1095, but I
haven't called them to see if they are still available.

In summary the availabilty of PB100's seems to be limited.

-Phil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Patrick Parker
Subject: Re: The Namer!?
Reply-To: pharmacy@epx.cis.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:41:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.120314.21322@ctr.columbia.edu> pmb1@tower.york.ac.uk
(Mike Brudenell) writes:

>Just to try and clarify things a little.

>
>There is a SEPARATE program called the LaserWriter Utility which includes
>all (I believe) the functionality of the LaserWriter Font Utility and
>more besides.  It is this that also includes the "Name printer" stuff.

Thanks to all for the help on finding this.  Little did I know there was indeed
a separate program called this.  Noone ever specifically told me there were two
programs named something so similar.

Appreciate the help!!

=::=::=::=::=::=::=::=::=
Patrick Parker
University of Minnesota
pharmacy@epx.cis.umn.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: Upgrading
Keywords: system
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:27:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.162423.9143@nmsu.edu> mmartin@nmsu.edu (Marilyn Martin) writes:
>How do you upgrade a system from 6.0.3 tp 6.0.5? 
>
>I was going to copy the old system folder, then copy the new system from the
>diskettes into the old system folder (not the copy). Then I could use
>Font/DA tomove any fonts or DAs over.

Please please please please please please please please use the Installer.
It handles all of those nasty details for you.  Just start up your computer
with either the disk "System Tools" (800K) or "System Startup" (FDHD).  Then
double-click the Installer.  Subsequent steps should be self-evident.

-- 
John Cavallino                  |  EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago Hospitals |         John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu
Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953
B0 f++ c+ g++ k s++ e+ h- pv    |         Chicago, IL  60637
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:04:35 GMT

In article <7889@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> sho@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto) writes:
>In article <0105011F.978hg5@dragon.enigami.mv.com> cory@enigami.mv.com writes:
>>>						  And what exactly is the
>>>point of having the signatures stored electronically,
>>>anyway?
>>
>>Imagine tracing a package: from the terminal, the operator could pop-up
>>the signature -- the day after it was signed.  The signature may have
>>been made in New Hampshire, with the operator being located in Los
>>Angelos.  
>
>Imagine UPS already has your signature on file.  (You sign
>for something once, your signature is in their computer)
>The operator could pop up the signature, regardless of
>whether you had received your package or not.
>
>Not saying they would, but it raises questions about the
>usefulness of digitized signatures.  

How so?  Database design always has to deal with security issues.  Signature
digitization doesn't change that.  Before UPS had the signature, all they
had, most likely, was a flag field called "signed/received" or something
similar.  How is that any more difficult to tamper with?  There will always
be the possibility of dishonest operators.  The system design has to
anticipate this, and combat the possible damage with audit trails, passwords,
authorization levels, etc.  Maybe even digitized signatures? :-)

-- 
John Cavallino                  |  EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago Hospitals |         John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu
Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton)
Subject: trouble with ftp.apple.com?
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:47:35 CDT

Anybody have trouble FTPing to ftp.apple.com lately? Ive tried for two
days without success... (i get a timeout error, host did not respond)...
 
 
 
**********************************************************************
Mark Eaton                    * These opinions are MINE! and you cant
UC525655@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU * have them...    ;)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14148 comp.sys.mac.system:10562
From: MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Compressing fonts?
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:28:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Jul31.012607.10259@eskimo.celestial.com>

max@eskimo.celestial.com (Max Pinton) writes:

>Remember, though, that System 7 will claim that these compressed fonts are
>"damaged" and won't open them. Font/DA Mover will, though.

This is only the case if you compressed your files with Font & Sound Valet
1.2 or earlier.

The Finder's Font/DA Mover code preflights the FONDs and complains if they're
compressed. Valet 1.3, which has been out since the Suitcase 1.2.1x days if
memory serves, only compresses NFNT and FONT data, which is acceptable to the
System 7 Finder.

__________________________________________________________________________
Stephan Somogyi               Picard & Riker for '92               MacUser
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13773 alt.config:4887 comp.sys.apple2:17874 comp.sys.handhelds:1734 comp.sys.pen:483 news.config:356
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,news.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.sys.newton(was RFD: alt.apple.newton)
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:29:26 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc

In article <ewright.711997965@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> 
> In <cline.711902753@willow.cs.scarolina.edu> cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
> 
> >The main reason I am in favor of an alt instead of a comp group is that it
> >is not certain that Newton will be the final name given to it, in fact it's
> >probably just an internal project name, much as the Saratoga I'm typing this
> >on was. 
> 
> I disagree.  In the past, Apple never used internal project names
> at product introductions.  The only reason why we know the internal
> names is because they "leaked" out.  I think Newton probably will
> be as much a product name as Macintosh.

"Macintosh," "Lisa," and "SOS" among others, were internal project names that Apple
didn't intend to use for final product names.  If I'm not mistaken, every time
someone from Apple said anything about Newton, the word was always followed by
"technology," so they were always speaking of "Newton technology," and never about a
hardware product called "Newton."
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:43:31 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:
> In article <sgXkoB7w165w@mantis.co.uk> (comp.sys.mac.misc), mathew@mantis.co.
> > after being stung on the PB100, there's absolutely no way I'm going to buy 
> > Newton when it comes out.  I'll wait six months to a year and buy it for a
> > third of the price.
> 
> I don't understand.  Why has Apple stung these people when they buy
> a PB100?

If the machine can currently be sold at a profit for #900, the inference is
that the month before when I bought it for #1400 someone made #500 of pure
profit, no?

>          They got a good machine at a price they were willing to
> pay.

Yup... but they then discovered that if you wait six months, you get the
machine for half the price.

If people wait around six months before buying a new Mac model, it doesn't
matter.  If people wait around six months before touching Newton, it could
kill the product.

> No one should ever buy a computer (any brand!) thinking they are gettting
> a machine that will hold its value.

True, but from #1900 to #900 in six months is pretty steep.


mathew
-- 
"Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
 stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
 sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Mac Drawing Program
From: jerry@bioiris.tamu.edu (Jerry Anchin)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:07:38 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: Center for Macromolecular Design, Texas A&M University.

'm looking for a Mac program other than Mac-Draw or Super-Paint for my
MacIIci.  There's a drawing program on my SGI IRIS system called Showcase
which is very versatile and user friendly. It's for X-windows and I was
wondering if there's a similar freeware progrm for the Mac.
Thanks.
Jerry@bioiris.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Corporate Newton users?
From: tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:43:04 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

One question I have about the success of Newton revolves around
customization.  From what I understand, Apple is keeping software
development in-house.  As Newton is aimed principally at consumers,
this is probably okay. But what about corporate users?? Is there
any provision for developing software for businesses??

The example I have follows: Local amusement park has customer
service reps walk around doing surveys: "How's the popcorn?"
"Are the lines too long?" etc.  They collect this info on
PowerBooks now. Which I'm sure Apple appreciates (say Sculley
on Money Line last night and he said Apple will sell over one
billion dollars in PowerBooks in the first 12 months!) but
looks incredibly awkward and uncomfortable.  In addition, the
people taking these surveys are total computer neophites. 
This seems to me like an area where Newton would excel: light,
portable, connects upto the server for transfering data, user
only has to know how to check the write box with a pen, etc.

But will that company be able to use a PDA?? Seems like the bundled
software will not be appropriate to that task.  Will corporate
developers be able to build their own collection software?
How about hypercard like applications for rapid development??

Personally, I'd grab a Newton today if they were for sale, but
the closed development worries me, especially when there are
so many competiers.

One final note: someone compared Newton to cellular phones. Very
intresting comparison in light of what Sculley had to say: Apple
sees itself moving into communications technology, which is one
reason why it partnered itself with IBM. When questioned about
clones, Sculley said "screwdriver" companies (ie, clone builders)
would eventually disappear as the market moves to high-investment
communication products. Do you suppose Newton is one of these
products??

Jonathan/tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Jerome Chan <yjc@po.cwru.edu>
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Organization: Alethea, The Twilight World!
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
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     <RSNYDER.92Jul22154205@hannibal.atl.ge.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:06:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.200828.10799@brtph560.bnr.ca> Andrew Markham P205,
markham@brtph600.bnr.ca writes:
>Well, my vote goes for comp.sys.newton.  I've looked at the handheld and

I can see it now:

  comp.sys.newton
  comp.sys.newton.announceletts
  comp.sys.newton.appletts
  comp.sys.newton.commletts
  comp.sys.newton.databaseletts
  comp.sys.newton.digestletts
  comp.sys.newton.gameletts
  comp.sys.newton.hardwareletts
  comp.sys.newton.miscletts
  comp.sys.newton.programmerletts
  comp.sys.newton.systemletts
  comp.sys.newton.wantedletts

All created before the release of newton!

---
 Fading

"No Lah! Sure or not one? Dunno leh! Nebber Mind! Like that one!
Terriblur Lah!"
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:38:15 GMT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <92203.173612ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>, ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
> In article <5794.2a6ac834@hayes.com>, bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) says:
>>Huh. Isn't your time worth something? Isn't that part of the reason for
>>buying a computer in the first place -- in order to save you time and
>>hassle to get something done? If the computer creates work instead of
>>diminishing it, then it hasn't fulfilled it's job.
>
> Depends on who has to pay for the machine. If it`s my boss then you`re right.
> But there are even people out there who repair their cars themselves. 

I do.

> I _can_
> install OS/2 or Windoze on an Intel box (i.e. I know how to push in the disks)
> and for some hundred $$$ I do it myself.

We're not talking about just pushing diskettes into a drive. We're talking
about keeping up with all the hardware incompatabilities that are so rampant
on DOS machines. It takes lots of time and hassle.

> OK there is no microphone (I never use it on my IIsi) there is no ability to
> put five CRTs on my desk an shuffle the mouse around them (who buys two
> monitors for a 3k machine) 

Three people I know personally. (For their machines at home, no less)

>and its five times faster for real cpu intensive tasks.

You mean five times faster for some reasonably contrived example. WHO CARES??!

What is the senseless obsession with speed? Why are MIPS more important
than usability? Do you buy a car by looking under the hood for a 600 HP
engine? Sheesh!

If, tommorrow, I dropped on your desk an infinitely fast DOS machine, you'd
perhaps be 5% more productive with it. If that.

If, tommorrow, I dropped on your desk a SLOWER machine with much better
software and applications, your production might double.

I believe that people get too hyped up about speed. Sure, it is pretty
easy to measure. 33 MHz, is after all, 33 MHz. But what does that really
mean? Since most personal computers spend 99.9% of their CPU cycles waiting
for the user to do something, who cares if they do this at 33, 25, 16 or
even 8 MHz?

>>use of that fancy display without a consistant OS support for the display.
> 
> Do we talk about DOS or PC compatible computers in the $3k league ?
> For these machines there IS consistant OS(/2) support for the display.

Granted. But then, there really aren't any OS/2 applications that use
that consistant OS/2 support, are there?

> I let my boss buy me an IIsi for office and bought myself a 386 for home.

That statement alone reveals much about your character....

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From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:39:28 EST
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5


In article <7849@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> (comp.sys.mac.misc), sho@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto) writes:

>This is getting a little off the subject, but what on EARTH
>is the point of those UPS electronic clipboards?

>With such unreliable equipment, wouldn't it be easier for
>them to have customers sign on paper and scan in the
>signatures at the main office?

e.g. pay someone to scan the signatures in?  In addition the cost
of the computer and scanner, you would have to pay this person, pay
a manager for this person, office space, and bene's.  All told, it
would probably cost over $50,000 / year / office.

>						  And what exactly is the
>point of having the signatures stored electronically,
>anyway?

Imagine tracing a package: from the terminal, the operator could pop-up
the signature -- the day after it was signed.  The signature may have
been made in New Hampshire, with the operator being located in Los
Angelos.  

Compare this with a package of forms to get lost, wet, back-ordered,
etc.  Then, assuming that they make it into the office, the would
have to get transfered to whereever and filed.  If there were ever a 
question, someone would have to look through a filing cabinet to retrieve 
them.  Instead of being able to see the signature instantly, it would
probably take several days, and instead of being able to start looking
them up the day after the signature was made, it would probably take
at least a week before they were filed.

I would say that the advantages are pretty clear.  I would expect
that the system would pay for itself within 1 year.

+C


-------------------------------------------------------------
Cory Kempf                    EnigamI, Inc.
cory@enigami.mv.com           ...!decvax!enigami!cory
Annon:	wi.5036@wizvax.methuen.ma.us

"F' cryin' out loud, it's *your* life; shouldn't you at least examine 
your lifestyle values to see if they are really what *you* want."
										--Keith Lim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:42:53 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <ajross.711766311@husc9> ajross@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:

>Re-read my posts.  As I recall, I ended every one of them my saying that I
>really LIKE the mac, just that I wouldn't recommend buying one at current
>prices.

Yet you still haven't told us how it's possible to get a PC *with the
same standard features as a Mac* for less.  You've simply dissembled,
telling us that IDE drives are as fast as SCSI, Connor drives are as 
reliable as Quantum, and multimedia, sound, 32-bit color graphics, and 
all the other things you can't do on your $3000 bargain basement PC 
aren't important anyway.  It's fine if you simply say you couldn't
recommend buying a Mac at current prices.  But you're a hypocrit if
you say you could recommend buying a PC.





Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: leong@is.rice.edu (Cheng Wan Leong)
Subject: Re: Looking for funky French characters...
Keywords: fonts, french
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:29:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.184743.21503@gordian.com> you write:
>I am looking for a Times font version of the accented characters
>of the French character set - for example, the e's with the caret
>and accents above them, and the "c" with the tail.
>They aren't anywhere I can see with KeyCaps
>
>bruce@gordian.com

You already have the capability to print these characters using your Mac.
If you are using System 6.x, using keycaps won't show you which keys are
the accents, but if you use System 7, keycaps will put a dark border around
those keys which can be used with other characters to create the accents 
you are looking for.  The trick is to combine the accent with the letter to
produce one character.  For example, the letter "e" with an acute accent "'"
is produced by pressing <option>"e", and then "e".  The <option>"e" produces
an acute accent, but won't show it until you choose a letter to go with it.
A list of accents follows:  (remember that most of these must go with the
character it usually goes with, for example ^z results in exactly that).

	acute accent	<option> e
	grave accent	<option> <backquote>
circumflex or caret(^)	<option> i
	umlat (turned:)	<option> u
	tilde (~)	<option> n

Fortunately for you, there is a single key that represents a cedilla.

	cedilla (c)	<option> c

If you have more character needs (or are bored), explore Keycaps by holding 
down some combination of the Shift, Option, and Control keys.  The most exotic
characters can be found with <option>+<Shift>.  For even more fun, try looking
at the Symbol set, or Zapf Dingbats this way.  Of course, not all the
characters are standard for every font, and not all keys are always defined,
so make sure the character you are looking for exists in the specific font
you will be using.

	Neat symbols to impress your friends with (most fonts)

	trademark(tm)	<option> 2
	registered (r)	<option> r
	copyright(c)	<option> g
	Apple's apple	<option> <shift> k-- will only print on Apple printers
	fi ligature	<option> <shift> 5
	fl ligature	<option> <shift> 6
	em dash		<option> <shift> 
reverse double quote	<option> [

Good luck, and have fun.

--------------------------------------------------------
Cheng Leong				  leong@rice.edu
Microconsultant				I work here, but
Rice University				I am not Rice U.
Houston, Texas				nor its opinions
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc