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From: asadul@fmsun1.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (Asadul Huq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Bangla in Apple MAC
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:18:02 GMT
Organization: Kanazawa University Faculty of Technology, Kanazawa Japan
Originator: asadul@fmsun1


Dear Netters,

I am studying in Japan. Anyway, I use NEC standard systems here. However,
in Japan MAC is also popular. Recently in our laboratory MAC has been 
introduced. But I have no preveious experience about MAC.  Icidentally
I just brought some Bangla fonts from Bangladesh and istalled those 
into the system. My system is IIsi with System7. The problem is that 
I do not find a JUKTAKHAYAR which is Sha+Ba fala. This is needed to write 
Vishayaviddalaya (university). I tried different shift and option conditions 
and found many combined characters, but incidentally I could not write 
Vishyaviddalaya!! I have 9 kinds of fonts. I believe I tried TonniSunanda
font carefully but found no Sha+Ba fola!!

Could anybody show me the right way? Actually, I suppose there should exist
some command/command key to generate combine Bangla characters.
Since I have no users' manual of those fonts I do not know the details of
those. 

Please try to tell the exact way to find/generate combine characters,
specially Talabbya sha + Ba fala.

Thank you in advance.

Asadul Huq
Kanazawa University.
Japan
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From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Islam: One religion: no sects
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:48:41 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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I'm posting this for Rukhsana Merchant (merchant@davidsys.com):

>From: nadeem%igpho@uunet.UU.NET (Nadeem Malik)
>Subject:The Seal Of Prophets, Reply to Raheel Khan: R1
>Date: 21 Nov 92 21:45:39 GMT

	Islam: One religion, no sects.
>
>
>
>It should be made clear that only the modern day Muslim Scholars consider
>people who believe in continuity of Prophethood as not Muslim. But then,
>the Holy Prophet said that 72 out 73 sects in Islam in the latter days would be
>astray and only one would be rightly guided. So where does this leave us! Again
>

        And if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to
        Allah and the Messenger. (4:59)

        This is my path, so follow it.  Follow not other ways
        lest ye be parted from his way. (6:153)

And the words of Allah (swt) are true.

        Hold fast together by the Rope which Allah (streches out for
        you); and be not divided amoung yourselves.  Al-e-Imran 3:103

        As for those who divide their religion and break up into
        sects, you have no part in them in the least; their affair
        is with Allah.  He will in the end tell them the truth of
        all that they did.  Al An'am 6: 159

        Obey Allah and His Messenger and fall into no disputes,
        lest you lose heart and your power depart.  And be patient
        and perseving; for Alllah is with those who patiently
        persevere.  Al Anfal 8:46

        By Allah! That is the standard Religion, but most men
        among mankind understand not.  Turn back in repentence
        to Him, and fear Him.  Establish regular Prayer, and be
        not among those who join gods with Allah;  those who
        spilt up their religion, and become (mere) sects, each
        party rejoicing that which itself.  Al Rum 30: 30-3

        The same Religion has He established for you that which
        He enjoined on Noah; that which We have sent by inspiration
        to you; and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and
        Jesus; namely, that you should remain steadfast in religion
        and make no division therin.  Al Shura 42:13

And the words of Allah (swt) are true.
  

>
>Nadeem Malik
>

-Rukhsana Merchant
From: pmf$1349@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re:  CFV ahmadiyya
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:04:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: altair.1992Nov18.210424.1091
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <102313@bu.edu>, khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid) wrote:

> This expression: Seal of the prophets, has been taken by these Mullahs to
> mean last of the prophets, which it does not mean.  An idea of this can
> be had from the fact that the word "Khatam" (seal) has often been used in
> arabic literature to mean perfect in every sense, and the greatest of all,
> but not the last, of all:
 
Shakil answered:

>Is this meant to be a joke?  Do you really know Arabic?  The primary
>meaning of the word "khatam" is "seal" as in to "seal a process" or
>"close," i.e. "end."  If you would care to look through the Qur'an,
>you will find this is consistent.  Finding some metaphorical uses of
>the word in bizarre contexts where it means "ring" or "to show
>greatness" is as ridiculous as interpreting "seal" to mean the literal
>wax emblem used on letters in this context.  How come it didn't occur
>to millions of Muslims for hundreds of years that "Khatamun-Nabiyyeen"
>could mean some of the things you suggest?  There was no doubt in
>*anyone's* mind what the Arabic word meant in this context.  Any
>native speaker of Arabic will tell you the primary meaning of the
>word, namely "last", "finish", or "complete."

In support of Shakil's argument it may help to add that the correct
word used in the Holy Quran is KHATIM unnabyin which means the complete
and finish (i.e. no other naby after).  KHATAM (which means ring) is not 
the word used, thus the KHATAM argument is false.  Therefore, prophet 
Muhammad was the finish of the nabiyyin according to the Holy Quran and 
there is no nabi after him.

Then Khaled wrote:
> The question is: if Khatam in arabic has continually been used for greatness
> rather than being at the end of a process, 

See the above paragraph.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rami Hijazi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hshams@iastate.edu (Habib Shams)
Subject: Latest on the Cyclone (11:15 pm CST)
Followup-To: hshams@iastate.edu
Keywords: Cyclone
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:43:09 GMT

BBC reported the following on the current status of the cyclone:

The intensity of the storm is gradually decreasing and right now Cox's
Bazar is under SIGNAL 7 and Chittagong port is under SIGNAL 4. According
to one Red Crescent spokesman, who was interviewed by BBC via telephone
from Chittagong, the worst is over and it is now basically a tropical
storm. 

Also, more than 500,000 people have taken shelter in different areas of
Chittagong and Cox's Bazar.

Habib


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Subject: <None>
From: shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Sharful Islam)
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:54:46 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

i read and read all that's been going on in scb these days and i must say, it's
pissing me off ( I dont care if i sound rude and uncivilized)!

First of all, i would like to address Mr Indu? Just who the hell do you think
you are?? If you are  so bloody curious to know about Islam ( as you claim to
be) why dont you address your uestions to soc.cul.islam? And we all know why,
dont we? because you are chicken! you will be bombarded to oblivion with the
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From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.074353.6457@dsuvax.dsu.edu>, mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee) writes:
> ==============================================================================
> 		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
>    Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA
> 
> Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
> his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
> himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
> Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
> benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
> Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
> faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 
> 
> Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
> thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
> What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
> leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
> organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
> all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
> free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
> them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
> students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
> lack of adequate governmental help.

   Sir, your cause is not doubt a noble and selfless act. If I may I would urge
you to be a bit more practical. How can a Bangladeshi afford to help your cause
when we are struggling with educational problems in our own country whose       magnitude is far worse than yours. This type of article should be restricted
to your own newsgroup.     

Rafat Sadiq 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan)
Subject: Re: aid and bangladesh military
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:41:46 GMT
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In article <1eabc5INNnh3@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> mahmud-mehdi@yale.edu
(Mehdi Mahmud) writes:
> Modernity arrived about three yeasr ago when men from a rival
> sub-clan armed with assault rifles, instead of the usual spears, swept
> in and stole their camels, cattle and goats. Bereft of their wealth
> and the means to recreate it, the once-proud family began a steady
> slide into destitution.

This paragraph deals with the modernization of traditional inter-clan
warfare, which is based on periodic raids. It is not relevant in the
context of international affairs; the Indians would not raid
Bangladesh to steal a few cattle.

>  The argument has been proferred 
>  that our neighbors have nothing to gain from an invasion... true
>  for the present; but what happens when we *do* get around to 
>  building a stronger economy... will that be as true then? 

If it is, we can build up our army then. But at this time, our most
pressing need is to deal with the massive problems of poverty,
illiteracy, landlessness, etc. None of these will be solved by
military buildup, whether it is financed by aid dollars or through our
own. On the contrary, our undisciplined army, which does not hold
itself accountable to the civilian government, has historically
contributed much to the political instability which has prevented
Bangladesh's serious problems from being dealt with in the political
arena.

>  Too bad economic theory never paid any attention to history. 

Not true at all. Economic theory has been developed in order to
understand _economic_ history. Of course it can be applied sloppily,
in which case it will produce lousy results. But political analysis
can be done equally sloppily, as you have shown with your reference
from the NY times.

Since we are trading Shaw quotes, here is another one for you.

	"When the military man approaches, the world packs up its
silverware and sends its women away."
--
Zahin Hasan
zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 774 2466
OCMR box 1551
Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074
				

	When a stupid man is doing something he's ashamed of, he always 
declares that it is his duty.

                                  George Bernard Shaw 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Ruhul Amin)
Subject: Re: Tropical cyclone
Reply-To: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Ruhul Amin)
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:28:26 GMT

In article <00963E35.F953B5C0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Ruhul Amin) writes:
>
>According to Radio Australia news (monitored this morning), the cylone has
>already hit the southern part of Bangladesh.  The devastation is quite intense.
>The reception of the news was not very clear.  But I think I heard that it was
>one of the worst (again?). If anyone has more information, please post.
>
>-- Ruhul Amin

I am extremely *sorry* about the wrong information in my previous posting.  I
must have misunderstood the news of the evacuation due to poor reception of
Radio Australia in my short-wave radio.  Hope I did not cause any inconvenience
to anyone.

-- Ruhul Amin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: cyclone 
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:39:18 GMT

I was talking to a friend of mine on the internet who is in Bombay.
He says that he heard about cyclone two days ago, in Bay of Bengal.
He did not sound this to be anything major..

I will post anything else I hear.

mukherjee
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Religious (In) Tolerance & Muhammad's Battles
Date: 15 Nov 1992 20:17:43 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov15.155937.16045@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:

>    I think Shalkil Ahmed made that claim. I would like to know Shakils 
>    views on these too. By the way, Shakil, If  you find these too hard to
>    digest, gas it off. No problems.  YOU HAVE STILL NOT ANSWERED THOSE NINE 
>    QUESTIONS I POSED YOU in the thread TALAQ BY PHONE regarding  Muhammad 
>    marrying his (adopted)  Son's wife.   (Hope you would take back your 
>    allegations that I was wrong on these facts).

I quoted the relevant verses from the Qur'an.  You ignored it.  Since
you appear to have no intention of absorbing any *facts* at all, and
ignore all facts and quotes anyone presents, I have no intention of
following up to any more of your bigotted anti-Islamic trash which
isn't even original, but comes from books of certified losers like
Shorrosh.  If you really care, then you should look up Ahmed Deedat's
answers to Shorrosh's pathetic attempt at distorting history...   I
have no intention of posting more rebuttals which you won't read.

-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta)
Subject: Re: A poem by Tagore ... 
Keywords: Religion, Poem, Tagore
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:41:36 GMT

In article 6695 Masum quotes the translation of a poem by Tagore. It starts
as -

		  False Religion

	Those who in the name of Faith embrace illusion,
	  kill and are killed ...

Doesn't the original in Bangla start as -

	Dharmer beshey moho jaare eshe dhorey,
	 Andho se jon maarey aar shudhu morey ...  ? 

I'd like to know fellow-netters' opinions on this.

BTW, its time we stopped paying attention to the senseless 
"discussion"s going on in the net for the past couple of weeks.
Masum's posting has come as a welcome relief.

Shubhechchhantey,

Abhijit

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
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Subject: continuation of none!
From: shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Sharful Islam)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:21:12 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

i am not finished yet...its just that my little brother pressed the wrong key!

as i was saying, the reason you dont dare to post your crap to soc.cul.islam is
because you very well know that the netters wont take that shit with the
tolerance the scb netters have shown so far!

who the hell is Anis shorrosh!! A guy who can distribute his book free of cost
on the campuses of a country famed for its materialistic "money is god" ways is
so very easy to see through. and you take his words  over the words and
arguments presented by others?? You are pathetic!! get out of your narrow, one
tracked religiously-perverted mind and go study other sources. if you are sp
goddamn curious as you claim to be, you would have done so a long while ago.
Instead you choose to continue to post the shit you claim to be the truth about
islam. from now on, every time you bring up another utterly unfounded claim , i
will respond in this vein. but knowing the thick headed fool you are ( and that
you certainly are, for why else would you repeatedly ask the same questions when
the answers have been delivered a zillion times) i doubt whether this will have
any effect on you whatsoever!


as for all those who disagree with shakil ahmed when he says, soc.cul.
islam.ahmaddiya shouldnt have islam attached to it, i say to you all: instead
of protracting this debate, why dont you cite sources to strengthen your
arguments. i have seen shakil quoting from the Qura'an and i bet none of you
have even read enough about islam to challenge him with genuine materials.
Islam does say there should not be sects within  Muslims -- shakil even quoted
the verses which say so -- and still a bunch of you keep repeating the same
question over and over again. one of you even said that there are more hindu
netters whose votes will ascertain the creation of this group regardless of
what sunnis like shakil might think. I bet shakil doesnt even consider himself a
sunni, but a muslim!


I always thought scb was for exchanging news and views, not to start off
religious wars. if banglaadesh can be so very tolerant towards all religions (
and dont any of you say Bangladesh is NOT tolerant. There are less religious
riots in bangladesh than in the other two countries of the sub continenet)  ,
why cant  we, as bangladeshis, be the same?
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From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Latest on Cyclone. (4:00am est)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:17:27 GMT
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According to Radio Australia monitored at 4:00 am the cyclone lost
most of its intensity only hours before reaching land. Apart from
moderate winds and slight rain the weather in Cox's Bazar should be
fine.

Saif
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Ahmadi`S
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:23:14 GMT

This is a request for all parties to please refrain from further pursuing this
useless debate as to whether or not Ahmadi`s are muslims. Personally, I side
with those who claim that they are not. However, who are we to make this type
of judgement and impose it on others. If the Ahmadi`s wish to create their
own newsgroup then so be it. Those who support them should be pleased.    
Opponenets of this religion should also be glad that they will no longer
argue in newsgroups such as soc.religion.islam, soc.culture.bangladesh, and
soc.culture.pakistan to plead their case.

Rafat Sadiq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Tropical cyclone
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:20:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: rahin@csparc11

In article <1992Nov20.184759.5456@umr.edu> raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza) writes:
>In article <00963E35.F953B5C0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Ruhul Amin) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov20.055552.3152@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, tnk@cloud1.met.fsu.edu (T.N. KRISHNAMURTI) writes:
>>>
>>>That tropical cyclone which was reported by Jack Beven is heading for Chitta-
>..
>>>24 h from now. Krishnamurti.
>>
>>
>>According to Radio Australia news (monitored this morning), the cylone has
>>already hit the southern part of Bangladesh.  The devastation is quite intense.
>>The reception of the news was not very clear.  But I think I heard that it was
>>one of the worst (again?). If anyone has more information, please post.
>>
>>-- Ruhul Amin
>
>If anyone has any information, however little it is , please do post it. 
>I will call home tonight and post information relevant to it as soon as 
>possible.
>
>Allah please don't let it happen again and again.
>

I've just talked with my sister in Ctg. The cyclone warning signal rose
to danger level 10 last night. However, by mid-day today (in Ctg. of
course) that went down slightly and now in the evening it's at quite a
cautionary low level. It seems we are spared this time.

>Md Ishfaqur Raza

- Rahin