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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: SEEN IN THE CHRONICLE
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:48:21 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton):
> The poster, called "Get Carried Away With Condoms,"
> depicts two naked men embracing. One of them is wearing a condom.

the ABC board of NC made one of our bars remove the same poster because
they said it was pornographic.  the worst thing is that they actually
confiscated the poster -- the man with the condom has a beautiful
penis!
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: SF writers (John Brunner in particular)
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:01:10 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1ryj!9l.onr@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.154945.15136@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM>
michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott) writes:
>>Since we have been discussing science fiction writers, and I haven't
>>seen anyone else mention him, another writer who deals positively with
>>gay issues is John Brunner, author of _Stand on Zanzibar_ and quite
>>a few other novels.
>
>I can't say anything about his writing or characters since I've never read a
>word he's written, but I can say he was an insufferable prig while he
>was in our company.

	Two or three other people I know who've met Brunner have
	described him in almost exactly the same terms as Owen.  Not only
	a jerk, but a bit of a nutcase, I gather.

	Oh, well.  I've appreciated a lot of his writing and his
	politics (he has a very ecological bent, and as Michelle points
	out, isn't snide about gayfolk).  I don't believe
	he's gay, though; he was married for years to a woman who
	died a few years back -- not that that's conclusive, natch.

	I've heard two sources, one published and one private, say
	that she was as wonderful as person as he is obnoxious.

	-R


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:56:37 GMT

In article <65477@apple.Apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>
>>Anyway, Unix is a dandy way to meet women.
>
>I wonder if George has thought of this?

Why do you think he hates it so much?  I imagine that meeting _women_
is not his main objective.  <grin>

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 1992 18:30:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <nssjddr.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>You can't tiptoe in boots - everybody's gonna know you're coming. 
>
Not true !! It just takes practice.  The best way to walk quietly in
boots is to not pick your feet too far off the floor.  Also if you
live in the city you can just walk in time to a local "natural" sound
:-)


Later,
George

-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Harlan Ellison (was Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:24:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <92104.144616IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T.  Murphy) writes:

>my guesses as to why no one has ever made a pass at Ellison:

>1) he's too short;

How short is that?  Is there a minimum height I
hadn't heard about?

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:58:35 GMT

ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>I caught an episode of this last night. Here's the evaluation:
>For Queer:			Against Queer:
>	measurement based		real queers aren't
>	on fisting			'star gazers'; they're
>					'etherial creatures'
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Sure we are... we just have robots to do the dirty work.
Actually the title "Star Hustler" gives it all away...  or
"Is that a telescope in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"

BBC, who has used the line
"wanna come up and see my 60-inch?"
(But we've hashed that already.)
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: How can you help?
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:04:34 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, gum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Arnold Gum) wrote:
>   a) Donations to EPOC (Equal Protection Ord. Colorado) are absolutely
>      positively welcome and most appreciated...

Would help if we had an address.

                                                                        __
    Sim David Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3338.span@sdsc.edu \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:42:39 GMT

In article <x-wjs_k.onr@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.043244.29081@ucunix.san.uc.edu> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) writes:
>>      So what is REALLY the difference between that war and now?  Haven't
>>endless Extremist groups declared war (Very literally--one of them is even
>>called W.A.R.) on us?
>
>One big difference is that there was a consensus state of war between govts.
>There is no such consensus from our govt that the threat that WAR and Aryan
>Nations or the KKK poses to GLB folk is anything but a cultural artifact.
>
( Cautionary messages about right wing groups deleted. )

   I agree with what you said about the groups being dangerous. But about this
not being a war...

   What about these cases;

          Germany from 1933 - 1941
          Turkey vs. the (I forget the name of the minority the kill/export)
          The Kmer Rouge in Cambodia.
          Iraq and the Kurds.
    
   When I said "war" I meant circumstances justifying subversive/extreme
measures.  The definition should not be so restricting.
-- 
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Robb Shecter      University of Cincinnati     schecter@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Your Hair...
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:01:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32730
Organization: Tachyon Labs


In article <92099.134305IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>tane writes:
>
>>Am I the only person who does (in) their own hair?  Right now
>>t's about three inches long all over, brown at the roots,
>>blonde in the middle, orange at the tips, and permed in such a
>>way to have it stand up in spikes.  I do a few other people's
>>hair too, though you'd think they would know better after seeing
>>ome of the ways mine can look.
>
>>Gee, what a self-serving message!  I guess all I can do now is
>>say that if I ever stopped torturing my hair then I'd basically
>>fit Ailsa's list ... tall green-eyed vegetarian et al ... :-)
>
>oooooh!  i LOOOVE creatively colored hair!  when can i move in?

Depends on whether or not you can fit into a place that already
is about 90% full of old computers, magazines, toys, clothes,
etc.; or can afford to rent/buy a larger place at those horrible
California rates!  :-) or :-(

>p.s. creative hair coloring didn't make the list, as i don't know
>anyone who does that, so i forgot that people do...  but i find it
>very sexy...

Actually I made my hair sound more interesting than it is ...
it's orange at the tips due to the henna that refuses to wear
off, it's bleached in the middle from an attempt to bleach the
henna off, and then the brown has grown out in the meantime.
So it's not exactly "creative", though I do have one picture 
of me with pink and green hair twisted into spiral horns.

I should repeat what I posted to soc.bi about what a 6-year-old
said to me last night:  "Your hair is weird ... it's hard to tell
if you're a girl or a boy ... you look like a redhead."

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Crusades (was Re: Deletions)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:52:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Apr11.235803.10726@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>

Anthony Berno writes:
>Actually, Furr spurns every system save his own favorite Amiga. He is

Not precisely.

>unswayed by the popularity of DOS/Windows,

Yeah, well, "the masses are asses," dont'cha know.  Besides,
I have to USE this putrid combo at work. In this case, I
speak from experience.

>the native appeal of the Macintosh,

You forgot, "...to the moron."  ;-)  That aside, I certainly
wish we were doing our DTP at work on Macs, instead of under
DOS/Windows.

>the power of NextStep

*Please* give me a fucking break.

>or the charming (#$&#^%!) eccentricities of the various X
>flavors.

Well, they're based on Eunuchs -- what do you *expect*?
;-{)##]
 
() Rotate left! Rotate right!
() Push on, pop off, BYTE, BYTE, BYTE!
-----
[George D. Madison, a/k/a Furr | 8-{)##] | NBCS:B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv PIG 8/7]
[> furr@cup.portal.com <#> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <]
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: IS OUTING ETHICAL? (WHY OR WHY NOT?)
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:30:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1992Apr17.203047.27012
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:

>I believe I stated my reasons for believing it's unethical. People have to
>right to keep their sexual orientation private if they so desire. They also
>have the same right to make it public and be proud of it if they so desire.
>I certainly have more respect for those who aren't ashamed of who they are
>but I also respect the privacy rights of those who don't.
>(exception: those are homophobes in public and homosexual or bisexual
> in private are an exception and should be outed, IMHO)

What pious nonsense -- nobody talks about heterosexuals' right
to keep their sexual orientation private.  Some of us wish they
would, instead of slobbering all over each other in public,
while accusing *queers* of "flaunting their sexuality" for having
the temerity to mention that they're gay.  People are *expected*
to be heterosexual and everything in our society is geared to
the *public* celebration of *that* sexual orientation.  When you
say people have the right to keep their sexual orientation private,
you're not doing queers any favors -- you're saying you want us to
stay invisible.

It's assumed that all celebrities are straight, and their love
lives --real or lubriciously imagined -- are splashed all over
the media whether they like it or not   But if they're gay or
lesbian, and refuse to play the game by being seen publicly with
a bimbo of the appropriate sex, the media is suddenly silent --
it's "lifelong bachelor" this and "still hasn't found Mr. Right"
that.

It's ironic that you leap on the ethics of "outing" right now,
when the same media that piously condemns the "outing" of gay and
lesbian celebrities jumps at the chance to "out" Arthur Ashe as
a PWA.  Oh, but that's "a legitimate news story".  Excuse me?

As someone already suggested, it might be a good idea for you
to sit quietly and read this newsgroup for a while before you
ask more silly questions.
-- 
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rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The GLBO-Centered Film List
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:51:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr9.085307.18945@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>I'm the world's biggest movie ignoramus, but John Waters
>once made a movie in which a woman killed her husband and
>then, rather than facing the legal music back home, ran
>away with her housekeeper to a fantastical land of 
>criminals called Mortville.  Highlights included one
>woman deciding her lover would prefer her as a man, so
>she forced a doctor at gunpoint to give her a phalloplasty.
>On arriving home to "Oh but I loved you as a woman" she
>cut the new penis off with a pair of scissors.  Later
>the original killer, who's turned into an evil tyrant,
>is shot with a gun up her ass.  The flick had a lot of blood.
>Possibly also an army of big Nazi leather swishy queens.
>
>I don't remember the name of it, and I may be misremembering.
>Is it on the list?  Did I dream it?

You did not.... The movie is called _Desperate Living_... It is
one of my favorites... I love the following sequence:

Mink Stole on phone:  Hello?  What number are you calling!  You've
dialed the wrong number!  Sorry!  How can your apology ever replace
the thirty seconds you have stolen from my life! I hate you, your children
and your relatives!"


The most important thing about desperate living is that every line in the
entire movie is screamed.  Rather wonderful...





FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:04:37 GMT

FWA:
>Ah, boots... Why would one wear anything but?

Weeeell, for dancing I prefer my black Reeboks. (Unfortunately having
sex standing up wears down the soles very quickly. Dilemma.)

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:38:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.082607.14630@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> Why do women own so many more shoes than men, on the average?

Because we lead such interesting and varied lives, of course.
I own, at last count, 5 pairs of boots, 3 pairs of sneakers,
2 pairs of Birkenstocks, 1 pair of oxfords, and 1 pair of
snakeskin pumps, each of which has its place.  To paraphrase
the cursed jargon dictionary, I'd be prepared if a snowstorm,
a manure pile, a horse, a city street, a garden, or a cocktail
party were suddenly to appear in front of me.  And no, the
pumps don't have training wheels to keep me up.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What Mara Missed!
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:31:13 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

In article <92099.103156SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

  >>You mean I missed _that_ by going to Toronto?  Sigh...
 >Mara, Mr. Ry and his cart were "Best Float"!  I read it right here in
 >our very own soc.motss, so it has to be true.  How those brutal buns
 >will surpass last year's effort takes some imagining.....perhaps a
 >Dauberesque turn is called for.

Ry and his *cart*?  My goodness.  I guess it carries the BIG RED
PUMPS (and anything else large that Ry might happen to have).  Did
her ever tell you that he has a big dick?  No, I didn't think he
had.

This year I expect to be in town for the festivities.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: pierce@husc4.harvard.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ann Landers
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:12:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Mar30.234530.8813@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

>I just hope Jake didn't bruise his head when his knee jerked!  That
>looked like it really hurt!

You're so funny.

>[list of minority-protection bills gone awry deleted]
>
>Examples of this abound.

And are irrelevant.  The number of bills designed to protect
minorities which haver been improperly constructed should not affect
whether or not the entire class of anti-discrimination bills are
worthwhile.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                /
\  / pierce@husc.harvard.edu   /         See it and understand.
 \/ (aka twpierce@amherst.edu) /
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Lip synching and stuff
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:11:39 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

A little question: What music causes you to lip-synch shamelessly when
noone else is around (or even in public)?

I caught myself doing it to Janet Jackson tonight. I was listening to
'Control'* and by the time 'When I Think of You' came around (one of my
favorite songs. Is it a barometer of a person when their favorite songs
by favorite artists all run along a similar vein? 'When I Think...',
'Raspberry Beret' by Prince, and 'Open Your Heart' by Madonna. Hmm...) I
was acting like I was being filmed. I *know* I'd be a damn good pop icon
because I can pout real good and emote like a muthafucka.



*(I haven't listened to Control for a while, but the title track came to
mind this evening as I was thinking about this guy in my training class
for work. I've been lusting for him all week, and I think he got the hint
when I kept staring at his crotch on day 2. He's a kind of timid person,
and he acted kind of edgy at first, but tonight he struck up a conver-
sation and was really friendly. He even complimented me on my voice (we
work at a telemarketing company, and we were talking about how I was
studying music, but still...). Makes me wonder (hope!) if maybe he's
interested in me too. I'll have to ask him for a ride home tomorrow night.

But anyway, tonight I was thinking about how I wanted to walk up to him
and kiss him and strip him and touch him all over, and it occured to me
that I was imagining me in the dominant, 'controlling' position and him
in the passive position. And I got to thinking about other recent day-
dreams I've had about guys, like the guy on the bus who was really big
and butch but who was wearing a fluffy white sweater and had big blow-
dried hair (and whose jeans fit better than any straight man can manage),
and how I wanted to straddle his knee and grind on it and taste his
beard, and it seems like I really like the idea of playing the child to
some extent, but being the spoiled, willful child that has his daddy
wrapped around his finger.

This train of thought led to 'Control'.)

Irrelevancy makes me happy,

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	Don't wanna rule the world, just wanna run my life.
						-J. Jackson, 'Control'
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:38:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.000333.29965@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.174258.12210@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >
> >In article <j8j6re8@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff
> >Dauber) writes:
> >
> >>Yes, but you are not being a cultural elitist.
> >
> >If you'd said that about me, I'd probably be pissed, but I
> >bet anything it has a greater element of truth to it for me
> >than for Roger.  So I think it's a bit over the top on the
> >unfairness scale...
> 
> No, not at all.  It was a sharp reply (but not at all unfair)
> in response to a rude remark....

Moreover, note Jeff's use of the progressive present tense. Jeff is a
native speaker of English, so I assume he meant this the way I would.
He's not talking about whether Roger is, in essence, more of a
cultural elitist than Jess (or anyone else), but that he was "being"
-- i.e., "acting like" -- such an elitist. One could suggest that one or
more participants in this discussion is being a pissy queen; it
doesn't follow that any of us are (or are not) pissy queens by nature.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Subject: Re: Queer Humor
Organization: Greenwire Consulting
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 09:19:46 GMT

>"They're afraid of a thousand gay guys with M-16's going: *WHO*
>did you call "faggot"?"

David said, "'Whom'.  Not 'who'.  'Whom'.  As in 'Whom did you call "faggot?"'"

Alternatively, a great T-shirt is/was sold at All American Boy on Castro St.
in San Francisco.  The white T-shirt had lettered in black over the left
chest, "That's Mr. Faggot to you" or something quite similar.

On the other hand, you have five fingers.
-- 
                                               David Schachter
|
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| uucp:        ...!{mips,decwrl,sgi}!llustig!david
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deletions
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:07:50 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr12.192108.18602@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu
(Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:

>Hats and shoes can be gotten cheap (or not).  It was
>when I turned to evening gowns and formal ensembles that 
>my finances whirled out of control. 

This is why it is best to stick with hats. I once traded a beret to
Matthew Wiener in exchange for a drink-while-you-ride bicyling hat.  I
consider it a treasure.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Opera Queens (Re: PDX con & bickering)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:11:12 GMT

> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>>>Oh, I see that we were arguing about two different recordings.  I have
>>>never heard the live recording issued by the Met Guild.  The faaaabulous
>>>...
>>Excuse me.  There are only three "a's" in faaabulous.
>>Or was that a *Southern* California variation?
>>...
>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Just how many calls were misrouted while you took time out to comment
>on my accent, Mr. Williams?
>
>Arne (and am I thankful the phone's not in my name)

Pshaw!  We can still find you.
We don't care -- we don't have to -- we're the Phone Company!

Rod (hoping his boss isn't reading this)
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