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From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: T&L

j-man,
   Thought by now Liam would have had a chance to tell more about Blackadder.
It's shown on any number of Public Broadcast Stations and is even funnier
than it appears from the quotes.  There are four separate "reincarnations"
of the venal, selfish, scheming Blackadder:  the time of Richard III,
Elizabeth I, the Regency, and World War I.  I've only seen the first two.
There isn't a moment of redeeming social value in the series--it's great!
I can't wait for the San Jose PBS Station to start the third series.

>Please keep the quotes coming.  They provide us with the most amusing
>repartee since "You Bet Your Life" with Groucho.

   Watch out!  You'll swell his head!

                   Joan
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:42:41 EDT
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Hi,

	I haven't received mail from "Cinema-L" or "Film-L" in the past week
and a half.  What's going on?  Have I been disconnected without being told?
I appreciate any and all help.

Orlanda
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:36:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Summary of Law and Order fil

Michel...
-FLIGHT OF THE NAVIGATOR- is indeed the title of another movie.  A Disney
production if I'm not mistaken.  Basic plot revolves around a small boy who
falls down bumps his head and awakens to a future time.  Family has moved and
given him up for lost years before.  Police discover family's whereabouts and
a reunion results.  The movie then becomes science fiction.
I know this sounds very sketchy but I hesitate to say more for fear of
revealing spoilers.  It has been a while since I've seen it, but remember it
beeing an entertaining movie.  Some good special effects.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:44:15 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The ABYSS

Think I like _The Abyss_ somewhat better than most of you who've remarked
on it, but the only issue I want to raise here is:  Has anyone considered
that the film is a kind of polar complement to _Close Encounters of the
Third Kind_?  Aliens from below; aliens from above.  Two people divided
brought together again by an experience of transcendance; a family separated
by the same.  And an "adult" fairy tale as opposed to a child-spirited one.
Make any sense even in this shorthand?

Jeff Clark
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Subject: Re: Sex in Movies

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     27-Aug-1992 11:28am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE:  Sex in Movies

Anjani -

I am afraid that I missed Black Widow.  I really dislike Theresa Russell and am
not so thrilled about Debra Winger.  So, obviously the appeal of the movie was
not there for me, although the storyline seemed interesting.  Was that based on
a true case?

What did you think of Basic Instinct?  I've heard alot of people say that they
were offended because the murderer is a lesbian and that somehow that gives
people the wrong impression of lesbians.  Sharon Stone is a lesbian.  Sharon
Stone is a murderer.  Therefore, all lesbians are murderers?  I am still
baffled by this logic.  I did not think that that characterization was
representative of all women who live that lifestyle.  I just did not understand
what all the hubbub was about.  To most of us, the gay/lesbian lifestyle is
very mysterious - so the plot line appealed to our curiosity.  But I never
thought that all lesbians lived like that. Heck, with that logic, one could
assume that all lesbians are rich.  I'd be interested to hear what you think.
I have enjoyed your posts.
Ellen
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:19:30 EST
From:         Milton Johnson <LIBMILT@CML.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The law in movies
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> scenes.  Some titles come immediately to mind:
>
>    _ Presumed Innocent
>    _ Caine Mutiny
>    _ The Verdict
>    _ Breaker Morant
>    _ Inherit the Wind
>    _ To Kill a Mockingbird
>    _ ....
>
> There must be dozens, if not hundreds, more.  How about a few
> suggestions?

        -Suspect
        -Jagged Edge
        -My Cousin Vinny
        -Stir Crazy
        -Adam's Rib
        -My Favorite Wife
        -A Fish Called Wanda
        -Class Action
        -From the Hip
        -Miracle on 34th Street
        -Nuts
        -Bonfire of the Vanities
        -12 Angry Men
        -...

 And many, many more that come to mind without titles.


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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:45:45 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Unforgiven

  I saw Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven this weekend.  Two thumbs up from me.
 If any of you have seen it, please e-mail to me and let's have fun
 over analyzing the symbolism! I'm not posting any cause I don't want
 to ruin it (especially the ending) for the rest of you.

 Oh, if you're queesy about violence let me add:  Terminator is more
 violent....The violence in Unforgiven is not included to get boxoffice
 bucks, but rather to depict a violent group of people in a violent
 'frontier'.  And this is one of the few movies where we see how the
 violence affects the characters mentally and emotionally.

 I hope Eastwood gets a best director monination.  And this could easily
 get the best picture oscar nomination as well.

--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:47:00 EDT
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Subject:      Re: INTOLERANCE

>Some of the battle scenes are fairly violent, even
>by today's standards (i.e. soldiers being beheaded, stabbed
>etc.). How was this violence received by audiences in 1916 ?

INTOLERANCE was a commercial flop that left Griffith deeply in debt, so
audiences must have disliked something. I'd guess it was more the
narrative innovation than the violence, though...with WWII a couple of
years old, violence might have been no special news.

There's a great scene in a PBS "Great Performances" called COMRADES...
Lenin and his buddies have been screening movies looking for new ideas
in propaganda. One day they sit down and watch the strike scene in
INTOLERANCE, and Lenin leaps up and shouts something along the lines
of "EUREKA! That's what we must do!!"

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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:29:03 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Summary of Law and Order films
              28 Aug 1992 10:23:18 EDT from Gayle Gleason
              <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>

From:  Mary Shaffer


Gayle, there were two versions of "Inherit the Wind" but neither starred
Henry Fonda. The remake was a made-for-TV effort with Kirk Douglas in the
Frederic March role and Jason Robards in the Spencer Tracy role. Can't
recall who played the other parts. It was good but anything would pale in.
comparison with the original.

Thanks,
Mary
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Subject:      Re: Summary of Law and Order films

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     27-Aug-1992 03:33pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Hi Ray!

Someone told me that "Leopold and Loeb"  is actually a movie called
"Compulsion".  Also, the Henry Fonda movie is "Inherit the Wind" and the Susan
Hayward movie is "I Want to Live."  You can add these to the list if you
haven't already.

Thanks!
Ellen
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Subject:      Re: Bette Davis Movies

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Sep-1992 02:53pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: Re: Bette Davis Movies

Anjani:

Now I'm confused! (So, what's new, right?!)  I thought the Bette Davis movie
was "All About Eve" - also one of my favorites.  Contains some innteresting
performances by Marilyn Monroe, George Sanders, and Bette Davis' former husband
Gary Merrill.  I thought Anne Baxter really shined too.
Now, wasn't "The Three Faces of Eve" the one with Joanne Woodward playing a
schizophrenic?  Can someone straighten me out on this?
Back to Bette movies...you did not mention "The Letter" on your list of
already viewed so I assume you have not seen that one.  As Will said in his
post, definitely worth watching.  BD is the queen of bitches in this one.
...and we really don't disagree on all that much, but it is fun to hear the
bones of contention rattling around now and then, no?
:)

Ellen
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:13:24 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The law in movies

Subj:   RE: The law in movies

Gayle,

 Thanks for the contribution.

 Stephen

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From:         Bill Oppel <S70762OW@ETSUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Production delay
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Just a short note to apologize for the delay in the August issue of
Previews....   It seems that I have become the victim of cruel and
unusual punishment.  The Computer Dept. here decided to close for the
entire month of August with all my files on the mainframe.  So, I had
no way to upload or download.  All this came with the promise that the
computer department would re-open on August 31.  Well, they did, but the
Administration needed someway to handle the onslaught of new students, so
the Computer Dept. donated all the computers to the administration to help
register the students.  For some reason, this University decided to accept
almost 10,000 new students.  Pretty good for a university that is built to
handle *only* 18,000 students, which are already here.  So, I am left with
a stone age terminal with no disk drives to write you.  The lab I work with
is under "re-construction" and should be operating soon.  So, hopefully by
the end of this week Previews....  August 1992 will be off to each of you.
Thank you very much for your patience, and I will make it up with a new
column called "Feature Presentation," this month dealing with the Buckwald
case in our special "Who's sueing who" issue of Previews....  Again, I thank
you for your patience.

                                   --  Bill Oppel,
                                       Previews....  the online movie magazine
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:00:07 CDT
From:         Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BOYZ N' THE HOOD
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> From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
>
> I just saw BOYZ N' THE HOOD on video and I'm convinced that this
> film has more of an impact at home on one's TV than in the theater -
> I think it's a great film - Terrific acting and the direction couldn't
> be beat - Really quite amazing - Does anybody remember a quote from Steven
> Speilberg who said something like "It's nice that somebody made a little
> film like BOYZ N' THE HOOD, but what America needs is a film like HOOK"
> Anyway - if you haven't seen it do so -

Peter,

    I agree completely with you about this being a great film.  I
can't comment about it having more impact at home though (I've only
seen it on big screen so far, although I intend to see it again).
Either way, I think this movie has something to say and that you're
right in saying if you haven't seen it -- do so!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Lehman                                 michelle@ortta.umn.edu
University of Minnesota                                Minneapolis, MN
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:57:44 -0300
From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX3.STFX.CA>
Subject: Re: City of Hope
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I too liked City of Hope (which is not a very hope-inspiring movie
if I remember correctly) and loved it.  It seemed to be an accurate
portrayal of where things have come, IMHO.

Fintan, I have one question though, you said that you saw Light Sleepers?
On video or at teh cinema?  The reason I ask is that LS was playing at
cinemas in London when I was there in April (I am still kicking myself for
not seeing it then because it is still not out here, as far as I know)
so it could be on video by now.

Don
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From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA>
Subject: Re: Plebian Escapism...

Well, I finally broke down and rented Waynes World the other night --
definitely no intellectual challenge there.  Actually it was a lot of fun.
Somebody mentioned a while back that it was chock full of references from
the '70s, and it was!  Looking for those made watching the movie quite
fun, actually (much to my surprise!).

As for other ideas, Adrian, I am always promoting Heathers.  How about some
Monty Python (when was the last time you saw The Holy Grail?) or are you
interested in something in the New Releases?

Lets see what everyone comes up with -- I, myself, plan on looking for
that other hal Hartley movie, Parents (which someone mentioned earlier),
and White Men Can't Jump (why?  I don't know!).

Don
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Date: 25 Aug 92 18:34:30 GMT
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Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU writes:

>Has anybody address the issue of the ending of T&L?


>Perhaps my commnets qualify as SPOILER:


>If T&L were guys Hollywood would have gladly let them ride of into the
>sunset and spend their days happily in Mexico - In my opinion of course
>- I think that the last five minutes of the film contradict everything
>that happened before -

    Huh? "Hollywood" had nothing to do with the ending of Thelma &
Louise. That ending was all Ridley Scott, and it was done in, IMHO,
precicely the propper manner. As for it contradicting the film, how can
you say this? This was a completely normal reaction when hunting down
fugitives who are wanted for Murder, Armed Robbery and Assault with a
Deadly Weapon. Especially when they just finished leading you on a high
speed chace that totalled about 15 police cars. And lets not forget that
the FBI was actually in charge of this pursuit and they ran everything
by the book. I would really like to know why you think this contradicted
the film.

--
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:29:24 CDT
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:41:00 EDT
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Subject:      Cocteau

Cocteau was one of the many "serious" artistes who scoffed at
Cinemascope when it became popular. He is reported to have said:

        "Now I shall have to write my poetry on wider paper."

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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:21:40 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Law in Movies
              28 Aug 1992 10:34:52 -0500 from <JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX>

Oh, yes, Stephen, Perry Mason did indeed make the movies and I'm not
talking about Raymond Burr's present incarnations on made for TV films.
In the 1930s at least three different actors were in different studio
productions of films based on Perry Mason novels.  Warren William is
probably the more recognized one of the three though he himself is a
fairly obscure actor.  An article in Films in Review this year (but
I can't remember if it's the latest issue or earlier in the spring)
chronicles these efforts.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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     Nobody said about "Star Trek V - Final Frontiers"?

     Another movie (I forgot name) is about the "Rangers" in Texas/Mexico
frontier. Anybody saw or know what about I am talking???????

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From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      LADY IN THE LAKE
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Does anybody know the director of the film 'Lady in the Lake'.
It's based on a short story of the same name by Raymond Chandler
and I think it was released in 1948 (b/w). An unusual feature
of the movie was that the audience saw everything through the
eyes of the main character(i.e. the camera). The only time the
audience saw this character's face was when he stood in front of
a mirror. The audience is presented with no more information
than the P.I.(the main character) trying to solve a murder.
I don't know if it's available on video, but if it is, it's
well worth watching.
                      John Smyth
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:36:41 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: INTOLERANCE

Okay, John, so my "windowboxing" theory for _Intolerance_ is all shot up!
That's not it.

Actually, we've got a copy of the film here in my dept. (Media Resources,
at the James Madison U. library) and I just put in on.  Kino International's
release is about as good quality as anyone's.  I notice that--as on many
silent films of similar age and quality--the picture does tend to be dark
at the edges in a variable way, accounting for the vignetting effect you
neatly clarified with your diagram.  The video copy I have isn't always that
way, though--sometimes the picture is clear out to the edges all around.
It could just be that the station was broadcasting a copy of lesser quality,
and/or reception/monitor factors were enhancing the effect.
Jeff Clark
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