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From: 93jll@williams.edu (Jennifer Lehoczky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Force's Future (long-ish)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 17:16:23 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
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Summary: Sam, Cannonball

OK: My Christmas Wish:

Guthrie joins X-factor.

I would never miss another PAD book. It'd be perfect.

Toby Elliott.

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From: chak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Chak the Destroyer)
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:54:46 GMT

>>
>>   The way I remember it, she tripped him with her belt, then used his own
>>arm as cover (put it in front of his head) while she ripped off his visor.
>>Cyclops, being his normal wussish self, refused to obliterate Storm, so she
>>won the contest.  I was rather dissapointed, as I hated (still do) Storm.
>>In any case, Cyclops went to Alaska, and Storm proceeded to lead the X-Men
>>into their greatest defeat in history.  Namely, the mutant massacre.      
>>
>>Chak
>>
>>
>
>
>Yes.  *sigh*  Although maybe it isn't fair to Storm to hold her responsible.
>After all, she was strugging against the nefarious forces of PlotDevice,
>otherwise she would have let Magneto come with them into the tunnels and
>the fight would have been over in approximately three seconds.  Somehow
>I don't think Riptide would have been much of a threat to old Magnus...
>-- 
>Sarah Trombley                                       trombley-sarah@yale.edu
>"I try to know what I need to know.  I make sure to know what I want to know."
>							
I agree that the whole massacre wasn't her fault, however the way the team
got beat up was.  I mean, what did she do while she was down there?  She
gave Rogue her I-am-the-morlock-leader-so-I-must-go-down-there vest, and then
she punched Scramble in the chops once.  What kinda person goes into a tunnel
full of mutants (or regular super humans) trying to kill a bunch of other
mutants while she has no powers.  My answer, only a stupid one.  Plus the
fact that she didn't let magneto go down.  Let's see, how many people in the
Marauders utilized metal?  Riptide, Scalphunter, and Harpoon pop into mind.
Then later, Polaris, who has only 1/2 the power of Magneto takes out a couple
of more.  Overall, I would say that Storm is a schmuck and shouldn't be allowed
to lead a girl scout troop.

Chak

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From: jevans1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jerome R. Evans)
Subject: Re: Super Strength
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:57:37 GMT


>Typical comic scene:

[scene deleted]

>What should happen IMHO:
>Juggernaut: Take this!  [Punches Iceman.  Iceman's decapitated body slumps
>            to the ground.  Iceman's head lands in Mexico City.
> 
Yeah, BUT- Iceman's ice coating acts as a shielding, like a suit of armor. 
And maybe they learned to "roll with punches" during their countless Danger
Room sessions.  Just a
possibility.
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: more thoughts on Wolverine
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Distribution: inet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.094109.15215@cc.tut.fi> k135745@cc.tut.fi (Kokkarinen Ilkka) writes:
>
>As a Finnish Xfan, I have always wondered how Wolverine can survive
>high falls because he has an adamantium skeleton. Wouldn't it be
>like driving an adamantium car to a stone wall at 100 mph? All
>kinetic energy would convert to passenger's speed while the car's
>body remained unharmed.
>
>I mean, if I had to choose between a high fall with or without an
>adamantium skeleton, I'd choose the latter. As often stated in Xmen,
>adamantium makes person heavier, therefore adding more kinetic energy
>to the fall.

Wolverine has the mutant ability to heal _very_ quickly from most wounds.
Therefore, he can survive virtually anything that does not completely destroy
his body.

Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVEN-CLAUS)
Subject: Slanderous attacks by Dhenry (or is it libel?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:29:06 GMT

Dave Henry, in a recent post about Rogue, informed one of the newcommers to
our little corner of the ether that I think that Lobdell is utterly worthless.
This is false and untrue!!

Lobdell would make a wonderful waiter at Denny's, auto mechanic or door stop!
:-)

Actually, I don't even hate all of his writing.  For instance, I liked his 
G'Nort story in GLCQ#1.  Heck, there's prob. one or two other stories he's
done that I like...

What I don't like is that he's working on a book that was once the gem of
the comic industry.  Remember when it's writer was consistantly the best writer
in opinion polls and fan awards?  Remember when X-Men was the first book you
HAD to read in that weeks shipment?  Remember when being an X-fan meant that
you read a book that had depth, complex storylines (sometimes a bit too complex
granted) and characters that you cared about, or at least recognized?  Remember
when the story lines made a simblance of sense?

Lobdell writes comics.
Niceza writes good comics.
PAD and Claremont write good stories.

See the difference.


-----SCAVENGER (FYI Gaiman crafts myths.)
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From: bern@athena.mit.edu (Bernard Chen)
Subject: That woman with the purple hair
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:02:30 GMT


In the most recent issue of XM (is it 19?), a woman with purple hair
is kicking some gang's butt in Japan -- gotta ask, who is she?  Could
it be that they're trying to pass her off as Psylocke?  They've had
the wrong person this whole time?  In that last picture of her, it MAY
be that we see a close up of Betsy's bionic eyes.  But that could just
be Mr. Kubert's style :) Any thoughts?

Bern
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:55:57 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu writes:
>The mutant ability to read one's own mind.
Oh, I dunno, that seems like it'd come in handy during exams...

>A mutant with the ability to explode with devastating force.
>Only once...
Reminds me of a joke I read about Havok's and Cyclop's brother...  :)

...and no, I won't tell it, because I don't remember the wording
well enough to not mangle it...

-Jon Kung, what a silly thread
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From: danl@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob)
Subject: Re: Mutant Crossovers
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:53:19 GMT

In article <pdk2bvl@rpi.edu> decesd@rs6407.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Stephen De  
Cesare) writes:
> the first solely mutant crossover, now called the Asgardian Wars. 
Nope. If'n your gonna get all technical, the first one was New Mutants 1-3  
and X-men 167.  This dealt with the Brood Queen that had been planted in  
Prof. X which had subsequently prompted him to form the New Mutants.  (The  
resolution of this story line led to the Prof being able to walk, at least  
for a good healthy year or so, our time.)  For that matter, you can  
include the New Mutants graphic novel (Marvel Graphic Novel 4, back when  
they still numbered them) and the issues of the X-men dealing with the  
introduction of the Brood. (issues 164?-167) to the crossover count.   
Since this crossover represents the first ever establishment of a second  
"X" title, as it were, it is also the first ever all-mutant crossover.

And if you want to get all technical and include stuff like Secret Wars as  
X-men crossovers, well then you might as well go all the way back to the  
1960's crossovers with Spider-man and the Avengers.  I mean, it was  
important stuff to the series development at the time.  It established the  
X-men in "Marvel Universe" continuity.

		--Dan'L

P.S. this stuff just happens to be in my short term memory, because I  
spent the last two days rereading the early New Mutants stuff.  Boy, was  
that good compared to what we are getting today.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:54:56 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1gmh55INNli0@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>Here it comes...

>
>[Scenario:  Mutant Registration booth.  Two people conversing.]
>Clerk:		"You a mutant?"
>Mutant:		"Yeah."
>C:		"What can you do?"
>M: [Posing]	"I have the power to fool things into thinking I'm not a
>		 mutant!"
>C:		"..."
>M:		"Well?"
>C:		"Next!!"
>
>My undying awe goes to anyone who can come up with a more useless
>power.

Obscure Trivia Lad nominates the power to remember the stupidest bits
of trivia on virtually any subject, while being unable to remember
any information that might have some importance at a given time.

Obscure Trivia, knows he's heard of someone with this power somewhere,
but can't for the life of him remember where.

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: k135745@cc.tut.fi (Kokkarinen Ilkka)
Subject: more thoughts on Wolverine
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:41:09 GMT


As a Finnish Xfan, I have always wondered how Wolverine can survive
high falls because he has an adamantium skeleton. Wouldn't it be
like driving an adamantium car to a stone wall at 100 mph? All
kinetic energy would convert to passenger's speed while the car's
body remained unharmed.

I mean, if I had to choose between a high fall with or without an
adamantium skeleton, I'd choose the latter. As often stated in Xmen,
adamantium makes person heavier, therefore adding more kinetic energy
to the fall.

Just my thoughts...
-- 
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Gabrielle C - someone make her pose for Penthouse!
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From: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Men 17 and X-Factor 87
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:56:23 GMT
Reply-To: jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf)
Organization: Columbia University

Yeah, you can see 'em coming a mile away....
*SPOILERS!*




















Well, X-Men 17 was definitely on par with the trend of bad writing in X-books
these days.  I'm curious as to what's up with Beast.  Any clues?
The scene on page 18 where Prof. X ponders about how Gambit is "the most
UNKNOWN" to him seems to be pointing him toward the X-Traitor thingy.
The angst in this issue, though was unbearable.  I refer you to page 25:
	Wolverine: "Just 'cause WE'VE saved the world a couple dozen times over
			doesn't mean the world's responsible for savin' US."
	Colossus:  "Sometimes I wonder if leaving here to follow another man's
			dream, no matter how noble, was not the single WORST
			choice of my life."
AAAAAAHHHHH!!! God, spare me.  And somebody do something about Scott.  His
angst is outta control.

On the other hand...

X-Factor 87: Wow.  Golly.  Sheesh.  THIS is how comics are supposed to be.
Hats off to PAD for some truly STUPENDOUS writing.  Quesada's art was, as
always, great.  I really liked his Rahne. And Polaris in her new (I hope)
costume...WOW.  I liked seeing Guido as a kid, and finding out how he got so
huge.  Any ideas on what the hell happened to Val at the end?
This was definitely the best Marvel comic I've read in years.


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*  Joshua Wolf  (jmw20@cunixa.cc.culumbia.edu)  **********************
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From: bert@snowman.med.umn.edu (Albert Nakano)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Mutant teleporters
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:17:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Dec16.171744.6639
Organization: University of Minnesota

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In article <1992Dec16.072513.17139@news.columbia.edu> jmw20@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Joshua Michael Wolf) writes:
>>
>>Mutants who can teleport (as their natural power):

I think that we should specify some differences between teleporters.

>> Nightcrawler (first one that comes to mind)

He has an unique signature, the "bamf" sound and the brimstone stench.

>> Magik (but not for a few years yet, but we ARE dealing with Marvel!)

Magik has the ability to teleport through time.

>> Vanisher (mutant?)

Yes, Vanisher is a mutant.  His signature is the slow fade.

>> Cloak (eh...)

I believe that Cloak got his powers from an experimental drug he was injected
with when he was a runaway.  Or did they retcon this origin?

>>?Zero (mutant or machine?)

Unknown being.  Can create portals through which, so far unlimited number of
beings or substances can be passed.

>> Gateway (or is that only for others?)

Gateway can teleport himself, but doesn't because he is tied by a geas to the
land, or something like that.  This is from Uncanny X-Men where Rogue absorbs
his powers in order to escape the Reavers after coming through the Siege
Perilous and gets away to the Savage Land.

>> the Incredible Horny Girls' Locker Room Bandit (...)

Uh, I don't know about this one.

>>What, is that all?  I must be missing some...

Some others that I can think of off the top of my head.

Lila Chaney: She is a celestial level teleporter, but can not teleport
between close locations.  She has to teleport far away, then teleport back
to the close place.

Sidewinder, previously of hte Serpent Society: His power is limited in range,
and must do multiple teleportations.

Lockjaw: OK, some of you may say that he is a dog, but I think he's really
something else, since the Terragon(?) Mist that causes the Inhumans mutations
are suppose to only affect humans.  Then again, can we classify the Inhumans
as mutants?  They are an offshoot of homo sapiens after Kree genetically
manipulated humans.

Doorman: I'm not sure if he's a mutant.  He was the teleporter in the Great
Lakes Avenger episodes that kind of never was properly followed up in the
West Coast Avengers.  Again, I'm not sure if he can teleport himself.  We
saw that he can act as an doorway for others to teleport through his body.

Solo: He has those small plasma discharges when he teleports.  It's also
mentioned that he can only teleport himself and some limited mass.  Also,
I think that the drain on him is pretty harsh.  

The Shroud: Technically, it's not teleportation because he moves through the
Dark Force Dimension.  Come to think of it, that's how Cloak moves also.
Come to think of it, I think he got his powers from a mystical source?

John Wraith: Currently playing a part in the Wolverine title.  Limits unknown.

I'm sure there are dozens of others, but I can't think of anymore right now.

sig in process,
Albert Nakano
From: schmidt2@husc11.harvard.edu (Gary Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-men #17 (spoilers?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:20:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc11.schmidt2.724605606

Hey, this is a sort of far-fetched theory, but ...


In the recent issue of X-men (not Uncanny), there is a brief scene of about
two pages or so in the Ginza district of Japan, where a woman dressed all in
purple beats the tar out of some nameless street gang members, apparently as
"practice". Then she takes off her mask and says "I'm ready to take revenge on
the X-men now", or something to that effect. It's remarked that she speaks
Japanese with an unusual accent. It's also shown that she has long purple hair.

Could this possibly be some relation to Psylocke? Like, for instance, suppose
we found out that the current Psylocke and the original Betsy Braddock were
somehow not the same person after all? Because when you think about it, the two
really have very little in common (except the purple hair!)

I doubt it, but it's a fun speculation ... 

						-G.S. (no sig)
From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Iceman (was Re: Super Strength)
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:16:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I remember reading in OHMU that Iceman's "armor" cracks whenever he moves and
instantly seals itself...this is one man who can never sneak on anyone!

It would be really cool if Bobby actually made useful objects with his ice 
powers...like razor-sharp blades and not just little snowballs.  Also, he
should just be able to freeze a room at sub-zero temperature..that should 
stop just about any one.

I guess the writers forgot about Iceman's power boost that he got in that 
Thor issue (I don't know which one...back in his X-Factor days).  Wilce
Portacio decided not to draw the belt because he didn't like the way it looked,
but there was no story explaining how he got control again.

Wouldn't a Iceman, Spiderman, Firestar team-up be funny? :)


Patrick
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Rogue's Powers
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:57:11 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>>Yep. She also crash-landed into Colossus in X-Men/Alpha Flight #1 and took
>>his powers by accident.
>
>how bout when the black queen destroyed her gloves as colosus was sinking into
>the ground?
>(hmmm.. is colosus the only one who has been accidently absorbed?)

Okay, so I've now been notified that I've forgotten all *two* of Rogue's
accidental absorbtions. That's it, I quit. Scav, the Stripe is yours. I'm
going to throw myself off the end of the Earth, into the void which screams
soundlessly through the cold.

Wait a minute... I'm already there. Okay, fine, I admit my memory's like
unto a sieve. Next thing you'll know, I'll forget to buy Halloween candy
for this weekend.

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - "I have a pullchain in my head." -- RIII
My mind is a jackal.--Richard Darwin // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: What is Wolverine's mutant power?
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:24:19 GMT

In article <BzFLLp.Mv@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:
>idbremne@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (Ian David Bremner) writes:
>
>>I may be wrong but...
>
>
>>Wolverine has adamantium (sp) bonded to his skeleton.
>>Aside 3:  How do new red blood cells get released into his body?
>
>I believe that was explained a long time ago once, that his mutant healing 
>power keeps him alive.
>Joe
>-- 

 During the original Genosha story in UXM #235-238 (which was actually a pretty
interesting tale), Wolverine lost his healing abilities after "Wipeout" removed
them. For the rest of the adventure, he was on the verge of death because he 
didn't have his mutant powers to heal him. My guess is that he was dying 
because of his lack of red blood cells.

---
Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: THE REAL DEAL WITH CABLE AND STRYFE
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 03:11:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.024239.24474@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>>  That's possible, but it didn't seem like Cable revered the X-Men much when
>>he was leading the New Mutants and they kept getting in all these arguments
>>and eventually got booted from the X-Mansion.
>>  Also, Ship WAS the projected energy matrix.  Askani was Askani.  Here's the
>>rundown.  And I KNOW all of this because I read all these books before the
>>last post.
>
>Since when did they share the X-mansion? I was under the impression that
>the New Mutants were living with X-Factor

when they met up with Cable (sorry, I dropped this line somehow)

>since the X-Mansion was
>destroyed around the Inferno storyline. Cable and the New Mutants returned
>after Banshee and Forge sealed it off, and moved in. Before X-FORCE #1,
>Cable decided to leave the X-Mansion's basement (probably around the same
>time as the Muir Isle Saga, or during the time after the last "original
>X-Men" X-FACTOR issue and X-MEN #1 (during this time, the mansion was
>apparently restored, and the X-Men had been training to work as a team again))
>
>Sorry about the lack of definitiive issue numbers and descriptions, but
>90% of my comimc collection is about 1500 miles away or so...
>
>Jay (=


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From: jevans2@cc.swarthmore.edu (The Phoenix)
Subject: New X-Factor,Men
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:54:15 GMT

Okay, though I can't say I liked the cover, the new artist for X-Factor was
fantastic.  They do like to stick the unusual artists to Factor, don't
they?  It was awesome, though.  Delving into all the characters was great,
and I liked it all, except for Havok.  This sucks, because he used to be my
favorite character, and they're now giving him a Cyclops complex.  He
always did a little, but what's happened to the guy from Inferno and
Meltdown?  Give the man a backbone, unlike his brother!
	
X-Men was awesome.  Okay, they're bringing back Illyana as predicted.  The
Russians have obviously been messing with her, and something's going to
happen!  As for Psylocke...don't even want to guess what they're doing with
that one.  They should just marry Scott and Jean though.  I thought Scott
had a fetish for red-heads, not telepaths!  Anyway, these were two great
issues, in my opinion.  Take care!
																																									The Phoenix



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From: lac@mars.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Lloyd Chalfant)
Subject: Re: Speaking of X-Posters
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:49:50 GMT

>(Rebecca Drayer) writes:

>I seem to remember reading in one of the early New Mutants letter columns that
>there was going to be a New Mutants poster with art like the kind seen in the
>Demon Bear saga.  (I think it was Sienkewitz art).  Has a poster like this
>ever been released, and has anyone ever seen it?

That poster is right beside my terminal!  It's definitely by Sienkiewicz
and is dated 1984.  It features fairly normal-looking versions of Mirage,
Sunspot, Magma and Cannonball.  There's a window with Wolfbane's face, 
another window with Prof. X's face and an outline of Warlock over a circuit 
board diagram.  

There is also circuit board stuff as a general background.  Behind the 
characters there is a great big open mouth with teeth that, if memory serves,
is the Demon Bear.

Overall a cool poster.  But hey, where are Magik and Cypher?
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