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From: scruss@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stewart Russell)
Subject: Adobe's Utopia Family
Reply-To: scruss@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:03:23 +0000

Am I right in thinking that Adobe released this rather nice
font family for public domain distribution?

If so, I need to find the original Adobe AFM (metrics) files;
the version I downloaded from CIX has no kerning information.
If someone could point me in the direction of an ftp site where
I can get the original Utopia AFMs, I'll repost the summary here.

Please DON'T followup to this message; I only have write access
to Usenet. If I get any useful information, I'll summarise it
here.

    Thanks in advance,

        Stewart C. Russell

From: Dave.Beaujean@davespc.mi.org (Dave Beaujean)
Sender: FredGate@davespc.mi.org
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: BOLD/Italic/...
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:59:00 EST

Hi All!

I have puchased Fontographer for Windows and LOVE IT!!!
One problem, I don't understand why I can't put
the regular, bold, italic, and bold italic all in the
same font. The fonts that come with windows all include
ALL of the types in each face. Is it possible to do this
instead of creating 4 different fonts? BTW, I am tallking
about Adobe Type I fonts, that I use with windows. Any
help would really be appreciated. Thank!!!

Dave
From: alan@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Alan M Stanier)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Trouble getting japanese fonts
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:33:53 GMT
Reply-To: alan@essex.ac.uk
Organization: University of Essex Computing Service, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK

I have been trying to obtain the japanese fonts, but run into a problem.
I can obtain the jentex2.zip from ymir.claremont.edu, and unzip it, but then
to extract the fonts I need to compile one or other of two programs
written in versions of Pascal or C that I don't have.

I guess I could rewrite the C program in a version I can compile.
But before I do so, does anyone out there have the fonts in tfm and pk/gf
format they are prepared to let me have, please?

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From: cs90rwr@brunel.ac.uk (Richard W Rackham)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.windows.misc,freenet.sci.comp.ibmpc.mswindows
Subject: Re: Can you create your own font for MS Windows?  ATM?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:44:13 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Victor Chan (vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
: smr@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Steven M. Ruegsegger) writes:
: - Can one create their own font that can be used by applications in Windows
: - 3.0?  Does ATM have this ability?
: 
: Yes, I believe Fontographer for the the MAC and Fontographer for Windows 
: can both produce Type 1 fonts under Windows.  ATM does _not_ have this 
: ability.  It allows scaling and installation of Type 1 fonts under 
: windows.  That is it's sole purpose.

Corel Draw! 3.0 has the ability to create both TrueType and ATM fonts, although
the method to do it is a bit complex.

Richard
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mitch@nosc.mil (Ray Mitchell)
Subject: General Information
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:01:17 GMT


I'm new to this font business and would appreciate some information.
In the windows 3.1 and Word For Windows 2.0 environment, why would I
necessarily want True Type fonts as opposed to the many diverse fonts
that came with the Adobe Type Manager?  (I assume they are part of ATM
but I actually got the package as part of Micrografx Designer).  If
I indeed do want True Type, is there a True Type equivalent for most
or all of these in a single package that is available?
I do realize that True Type is supposed to more closely represent what
will actually get printed but is there any other difference such as
efficiency?

Secondly, can you recommend some educational material for someone who
would even ask a question like the above?

Thanks in advance,

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
Subject: Is comp.fonts archived anywhere??
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:58:26 GMT

The subject line says it all: is the comp.fonts newsgroup archived anywhere?

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com
From: kim3@husc9.harvard.edu (Jason Y. Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Bitmap Chicago back in vogue?
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:02:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.kim3.718588933

I've seen it around a lot these days. Ironic, since there is now both a
TrueType version and a ChicagoLaser Type I font in wide distribution.
So what's the deal? Are bitmaps 'in'??

-- 


                              ~  Jason Y. Kim  ~
                                     ~=@=~
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: What are the diff between type 1,2,3?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:50:52 GMT

tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines) described the PostScript font
types briefly.  I have just a couple of minor nits:

>type 1 is the standard adobe outline system now in use. this, when used in 
>conjunction with adobe type manager, renders fonts from 8 pts to infinity so 
>they look like they print on a laser printer. hs

On the NeXT platform or under Sun's Solaris 2, you don't need ATM.

>a type 1 font uses both a printer
>font and a screen font.

No.  The screen font is optional -- at least in principle -- and is used
only for performance.

>its rival is apple's true type technology, which is 
>basically the same, except that it doesn't need: a seperate printer font, a 
>screen font (per se) or ATM.

But it does need a TrueType renderer.  And most printers don't understand
TrueType fonts directly (some noew ones do).

>type 2 never really hit the market.

True.

>type 3 is the system that letrastudio, old letrafonts (as compared to the new 
>fonts --display faces--that they have recently released) and typestyler use. it
>supports rendering fonts with pict and postscript patterns such as radial 
>fills, graduated fills, and color fills, etc.. more of a display face/purpose 
>than anything.

The big difference is that a Type 3 font is unhinted, so that it tends not
to look so good on the screen.  Type 3 fonts are also allowed to be a little
more flexible.

Strictly speaking, most PostScript implementations do not support fonts
with more than one colour in them.  (well, OK, foreground and background).

You could do the clever outline stuff with Type 1 fonts as well as Type 3
fonts.

Lee

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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,misc.legal
Subject: Copyrightability of fonts - request for sources.
Keywords: copyright fonts typefaces
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

I'm in the process of writing an article about copyrightability of fonts and 
typefaces for publication in a professional law journal.  I've read the 
comp.patents FAQ, and I have two questions I'm hoping I can get answers to 
that would greatly forward my research.

Basically, I'm in need of citable reference material on both of these 
questions.  I'm aware that at least #1 is covered in the FAQ (in Part I, 
Question #'s 1 and 6), but a usenet FAQ is probably insufficiently 
authoritative to warrant its citation.

1) What is the format of the various types of fonts?

2) Is a font choice primarily a decision based on utilitarian or aesthetic 
considerations?  One of the critical distinctions in making a thing 
copyrightable is its expressive element, as opposed to its functional 
capabilities.  Much of the opposition to copyright for fonts and typefaces is 
that they are utilitarian objects, not works of expression.  Are you aware of 
any information from the FAQ bibliography (or of anywhere else, for that 
matter) which describes any research into whether a choice of typeface is 
primarily a utilitarian consideration (e.g., typeface x is a better choice of 
typeface because expiriments show that it aids readability) or if it is 
primarily an aesthetic consideration (e.g., typeface x is a better choice of 
typeface because it's nicer looking)?

Please note, I'm not looking for the readers of this posting to _answer_ 
these questions.  In most cases, that wouldn't do me any good, because I need 
an authority to cite to in the paper, not merely the information itself.  
Rather, I need pointers to published materials to which I can cite.  Of 
course, if you are a recognized authority, I would be able to cite to a 
letter or email from you, and I would welcome that.

Any help would be appreciated.  Posting to either comp.fonts or misc.legal, 
or a direct email to me would be fine.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: Re: Adobe's Utopia Family
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:38:58 GMT


i know that you said don't followup to this message, but what is CIX? it is 
unfamilar to me in columbus, ohio


i am interested in ftp'ing this family. please let me know where it  is, any of
you.....

sines
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From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Problems with 'TYPE/FONT' menu in PageMaker 4.0 w/many fonts
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:18:02 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1bfumaINNna4@agate.berkeley.edu> alsu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Su) writes:
>To change the fonts in PageMaker if you have more than a screenful of fonts,
>I think you can use the Edit-Preferences menu selection.  A dialog box should
>pop up and there should be a drop down menu allowing you to scroll through all
>your available fonts.  Hope this helps.
>-Alan

This is unfortunately true. In the Mac version of Pagemaker the font list 
scrolls. In the IBM version it does not. I called Aldus and asked for help
on this, and they admitted it was a bug, to be fixed in the next release.
One thing I found to fix the problem was to go into the Fonts control panel
in windows and tell it 'Show Truetype only in Applications'. This will cause
it to ignore bitmapped fonts in programs that look for windows fonts. This will
give you room for about 25 or so Truetype fonts on your Pagemaker menu.

Scott

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: knappen@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Joerg Knappen)
Subject: Re: Hebrew Fonts
Keywords: METAFONT, TeX, YMIR
Reply-To: knappen@obelix.kph.Uni-Mainz.DE
Organization: ONO (Organisation der Nicht-Organisierten)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:42:13 GMT

The Ymir archive (ymir.claremont.edu) has a collection of hebrew fonts in
Metafont format. Look under [anonymous.tex.babel.hebrew].

Yours, J"org knappen.

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From: smr@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Steven M. Ruegsegger)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.windows.misc,freenet.sci.comp.ibmpc.mswindows
Subject: Can you create your own font for MS Windows?  ATM?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:57:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: rdaneel.eeap.cwru.edu


Can one create their own font that can be used by applications in Windows
3.0?  Does ATM have this ability?

Thanks in advance.
Steve Ruegsegger
smr2@po.cwru.edu
stever@thunder.eeap.cwru.edu

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: kemius@aau.dk (Ulrik Serges)
Subject: Mixing ordinary and "old style" figures. Does it look well?
Organization: Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:33:08 GMT

Hello,

well, I now have these old style figures (numbers aligned to minuscles),
and I would like to use them in my thesis. But it contains some
mathematical formulas, and I am not quite sure, whether I should use
ordinary (versal size) or old style figures (OSF). I see three possi-
bilities:

1. I only use ordinary figures. This works ok, but looks a bit
   boring, I think.

2. I only use OSF. This would be nice in running text, but the formulas
   would look a bit akward and unprofessional.

3. Mixing ordinary and OSF. For use in formulas, I use ordinary figures, in
   running text, I use OSF. Does it work? What about formulas in the
   running text?
   And what do I do with my equation numbers? They show up both in
   formulas and in the running text. Should I always use OSF, thus mixing
   ordinary and OSF in one line (formulas in ordinary, eq. numbers in OSF),
   or use both ordinary (for use with formulas) and OSF (for references
   in text), using differents fonts for the same number?

Please help me. If I don't get some helpful advice, I presumably use
possibility 1.

Ulrik
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Chemistry Department                 serges@kemi.aau.dk (expires at Nov 1st)
Aarhus University
DK-8000 Aarhus C, Denmark
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ajs@msdrl.com (Anthony Starks)
Subject: Call for pictures for fig->MF tool
Organization: Merck Research Laboratories
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:55:38 GMT

This is a call for all of you artistic types (or wannabes)
to show your stuff.

I'm polishing a tool to convert Fig code to METAFONT and I'm bored with my
current picture collection, so I'm soliciting interesting examples of Fig code
for testing/amusement. There are no guidelines on the content or complexity
of the pictures. Any thing from small symbols to full-page illustrations are
fine. I want your pictures!

Mail your submissions to "ajs@msdrl.com", and please include a descriptive
subject line. For your trouble, I'll send you the METAFONT code for your
picture.

Perhaps I'll post a summary of best/worse/most interesting!
From: bl01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BORIS LIBMAN)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Slavic Fonts
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:13:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does anyone know where I might be able to FTP Slavic fonts (either TrueType or
ATM)?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mathieu@ncrcis.stpaul.ncr.com (Tom Mathieu [7143])
Subject: Adobe Type Library Question
Organization: NCR NPD Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:43:10 GMT

I just got a copy of Adobe Type Library and used it to install a
font called Plantin.

The program seems to work fine, but what I need to know is this:

How can I get it to install screen fonts for WordPerfect for Windows
(we use the WordPerfect drivers... not Windows)?  

The font appears on the font list when I pull it up in WP for Win,
but there is no screen font installed.

I'm not sure what version of ATL I have.  The manual is copyrighted
1991.  Maybe there's a newer version that'll install screen fonts in
WP for Win?

Thanks

Tom Mathieu

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From: bui@hanoi.nsc.com (Cuong Bui)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Vietnamese fonts, software and encoding standard
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:37:23 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor

Here are some information that might be of your interests. Please
ignore otherwise.

1) Vietnamese Character Encodings
---------------------------------
The Viet-Std Working Group has completed the design and testing
of the 8-bit VIetnamese Standard Code for Information Interchange 
(VISCII) and the 7-bit VIetnamese Quoted Readable Specification (VIQR).
These standards are published in a report entitled:

   Vietnamese Character Encoding Standardization Report:
   VISCII and VIQR 1.1
   by Viet-Std, September 1992

The entire document can be retrieved by anonymous ftp at
sonygate.Sony.COM under the /tin/viet-std directory.
Please print these PostScript/text files and bind them 
in the following order:

    1. 1title.ps	title page, copyright notice, and prefaces
    2. 2engppr.ps	Viet-Std specifications, in English
    3. 3vnppr.ps	Viet-Std specifications, in Vietnamese
    4. 4trchl.ps	TriChlor Software announcement title page
    5. 5sftware.txt	TEXT file of public-domain software listing

Alternatively, a hard copy of the report is available 
for US$6.00 by sending the request to
	The Viet-Std Group
	1212 Somerset Dr.
	San Jose, CA 95132,  USA
        Email: Viet-Std@haydn.Stanford.Edu

2) Vietnamese Software
----------------------
Public-domain, VISCII- and VIQR-compliant, Vietnamese software and
Vietnamese fonts are also available which can run on Unix, X-Windows,
DOS, and MS-Windows 3.1.  A survey of these software products 
is included in the report mentioned above. Currently, these 
products satisfy almost all demands in editing, displaying, printing, 
word processing, software development tools, software utilities.
Vietnamized TeX is available. Also available are X-Windows bitmap
fonts, METAFONT sources for TeX, pre-made TeX bitmap .pk fonts,
scalable outline Type-1 fonts, TrueType fonts.  Utilities
are available to print Vietnamese text files
on laser or dot matrix printers.


All software can be retrieved by anonymous ftp at sonygate.Sony.COM 
under tin/VN.  Unix binaries are also available for various platforms 
(e.g., SUN3, SUN4, DEC, RS/6000, etc) by anonymous ftp at haydn.Stanford.EDU
under /VN/binaries. DOS and MS-Windows 3.1 software is also available 
on 2 floppy disks (3.5" or 5.25" type) with setup and installation automated. 
These disks can be mailed to you with a requested donation of $5.00.
Please send your inquiries to 

	The TriChlor Group
	3388 Burgundy Dr.
	San Jose, CA 95132, USA
	Email: TriChlor@haydn.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Converting Bitstream Fontware to Bitstream Facelift.
From: gilf@vms.huji.ac.il (GIL FREUND)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:04 IDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 7

I have just installed Facelift for WordPerfect 1.5. I allready have Bitstream
fonts with Quattro Pro 3.0, and I'd like to use some of them with WP. Is
there a way to convert those fonts? FONTLOAD doesn't recognize them.

Thanks

Gil
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: wdr@world.std.com (William D Ricker)
Subject: Re: Mixing ordinary and "old style" figures. Does it look well?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:50:24 GMT

jmr@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Jan Michael Rynning) replied to:
>kemius@aau.dk (Ulrik Serges) asked:
>>well, I now have these old style figures (numbers aligned to minuscles),
>>and I would like to use them in my thesis. But it contains some
>>mathematical formulas, ...
>>3. Mixing ordinary and OSF. For use in formulas, I use ordinary figures, in
>>   running text, I use OSF. Does it work? What about formulas in the
>>   running text? ...

I'll basically agree with Jan that (3) is sound.  The basic rule has
been to use "old-style figures" when they're combined with normal text
and "lining figures" when they're combined with capitals or other
material where alignment is a cue, such as formulae and talbes.  So if
you can rig your macros to use OSF when a number is embedded in a
paragraph as a word, and to use LF in displayed and run-in formulas,
great.  

Ulrik's other question was about equation nreference numbers.  Here
I'll differ with Jan, I think.  I'd recommend using the
mathematicians' traditional trick of differentiating different types
of symbol by using different types.  If you are using an old-style (or
transitional) bookface for your text, as you should be if you are
using OS figures, then using a say a sans-serif lining figure for
equation reference numbers both in the display lines' margin s and in
run-in references would distinguish them from part of the formula or
a run-in number -- and be consistent.  The contrast of structure of
the glyph (sans, no stroke contrast) will combine withthe contrast of
form (lining v. OSF) so that the equation ref-nos won't look "wrong", 
as they would if either LF refs were run into text to match the LF
refs on display lines OR if refs were OSF run in but LF on display.

For contrast, this is one case were I *wouldn't* recomend Optima for
the sans, since it *has* stroke contrast.  Univers gives a broad range
of weight & width to choose from, although /V/e/l/v/i/t/i/c/a/
/O/v/e/r/u/s/e/d/ Helvetica would be "expected".  I'm somewhat partial
to Futura (or Spartan).  Or you could use an earlier, pre-Bauhaus
sans, one of the many late 19thC grotesques (called Gothics in the
US), which have some subtle contrasts, and had not succumbed to rigid
geometry.
-- 
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wdr@world.std.com (formerly wdr@wang.com)              to those who own one."
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Subject: Re: Diff. between Lucida and Lucida Bright?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:53:49 GMT

In article <+jjp=gg@lynx.unm.edu> lgorbet@carina.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY) writes:
>Lucida Bright is included in the new TrueType FontPack from Apple.  Can 
>anyone tell me what the difference is between this family and the (just 
>plain) Lucida family from Adobe.  I own the latter (and Lucida Sans) 
>and am considering buying the FontPack; I wonder if I am adding anything
>to the Lucida superfamily I have if I get the Font Pack....

You can kind of think of Lucida Bright as the "hi-res" version of
Lucida. When Lucida was originally designed, its purpose was to serve
well under poor printing conditions. Therefore, the design of the
letterforms is "heavier," with less contrast in the strokes than you
would find in a typical book face so that in weak printing conditions
(low ink or toner), FAX transmissions, photocopying, etc., things
don't drop out. In addition, the letterspacing is looser than a
regular book face to make sure you don't get weird looking connecting
shapes if your ink or toner overworks itself.

As a consequence, Lucida doesn't work very well as say a typeface for
magazine text since it will look loose (which you could fix) and very
heavy (which you can't fix).

When Bigelow & Holmes was awarded the contract to redesign Scientific
America, they wanted to use Lucida as the text face, but they realized
that it wouldn't work very well in its current state. So they modified
it to work better under hi-res (e.g.  magazine publishing) printing
conditions by reducing the stroke weight, adding more contrast in the
strokes, and tightening the letterspacing. The end result being called
Lucida Bright.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com
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