HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:48:14 GMT
Organization: MITRE


> >       Can you see the difference of "ruled by" and "aids from" ??
> >       If you perfer to be ruled by Japanese, not only me but also
> >       those who fought or died in the II WW look down on you. 
> >       Why did they have to give up their life for protecting China? 
> 

I do not like Japanese and I do not want to be ruled by Japanese.  However,
I know a bunch of people in Taiwan who really want to be ruled by Japanese.
 I don't blame them.  It is a historical problem, and you can not change
people's mind in one day.  It is also true that KMT is no better than
Japanese, and CCP might be worse.  This is why some people want TI. 
Posting and fighting with TIers in this network is of no use.  The most
important thing for China is to improve her economic strength.  If Chinese
GNP (in US$) can reach half or one third of Taiwanese GNP, then TIers will
disappear automatically.

MSWD
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:15:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>
>About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>budget place. Something got to be wrong.

	Yes, it is probably the report that you chosed to see. I believe
	Taiwan and S.Korea were right behind China with the average score
	of 73. The report, IMO, is debatable; I cannot imagine that high
	a score for Taiwan if the students were chosen randomly. Of course,
	if the math questions are not as tough as what students usually
	face in Taiwan, then the score may be reasonable.

	I really admire the math ability of average students in China for
	getting 80 points.

>Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
>that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan

	No question about it. Any R&D, without immediate sight of
	profitability, will get little support in Taiwan. Most
	taxpayers probably would not be upseted about this though except
	they cannot claim to have rockets or nuclear bombs.

	KMT government should also be questioned for how those 30% of
	educational budget is spent and be hold the responsibility for
	further reforms on the education systems. I admire China
	government for doing such a good job to students everywhere in
	China; she does not seem to have such problems.

Yung-Kao Hsu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng)
Subject: Re: >> CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:21:42 GMT

In article <yzhou.718599463@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou) writes:
>zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>................
>(stuff deleted)
>>After this incident, we were asked by many friends(Americans, Japaneses, 
>>Chinese from Taiwan) and American students. Many chineses found that the 
>>report was at least dishonest to some degree. What should we say
>>when asked? If we don't tell the whole story and thus no indication for the 
>>opposite opinion from the one I mentioned, and if someday American people
>>knew the real intention behind, we CSSs would be supposed liars. The once
>>diminished image for the Chinaman that was nasty, dubious, clumsy, 
>>shameless and dishonest might be revived in America.
>
>I don't think so. China government has got the 'nasty, dubious, clumsy,
>shameless and dishonest' image in the American people's mind since 6.4.
>So, people will think it's nature for chinese students to try to stay away
>from their government. -).
>
>joe
>

By doing the same thing?  I don't think your action is justified because
your goverment did something very bad.
From: zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca (Yuejin Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:58:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <Bw6CA5.17I@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>In article <92Oct15.043957.26096@acs.ucalgary.ca> zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca (Yuejin Zhang) writes:
>>Let's look at the question in another way:
>>
>>1) One has owned tuition to Chinese people  20,000 Yun/MSc ?
>>2) Studing in the west, he has owned more tuition to XXX people
>>   (Putting the number here for goverment subsidies YYY /PhD).
>>
>>Now, he has two debts to serve ... .... There seems some problem
>>to reason along this line. 
>>
>>-- 
>>    Yuejin Zhang	zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca
>
>The word "owe" is not a very good one. As mentioned earlier, Chinese
>college students are part of Chinese people. The connection between
>the Chinese college students and all Chinese people is more than money.
>The reason for us to discuss the source of the education support, is
>simply recall some fact.

It looks OK to me!

> No one tells anyone to pay the debt.
>What anyone wants to do is all up to this person. The fact is onthing
>more than fact.

Are you sure about this? As I know, there are specific amounts of money
or prices, maybe different in each provinces, for bailing out a PhD,
MSc, BSc. What you mean by "fact"? BTW, I have payed off everything as
asked, even it's "up to me".

>Talking about PhD study here, the research done by the graduate student
>covers the cost for the student.

This seems a different can of worms. I need the "fact" that universities
actully make money by doing researches.

Using your own logic, CSS have definitely covered their cost in China
"Fact": similar quality of researches and lower pays.

> The graduate students here are 
> far low underpaid. This should be a well known fact.

It is hard to comment on "fact".
-- 
  YZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:50:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.213315.2927@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >> Sounds to me that Mr. Carl trys to imply if Chinese did not fight against  
> >Japan,
> >> then today a united Japan (or China which name you like to use) would  
be...
> >> you know...
> 
> >You are not clever enough. Give you another hint (some pupils usually are  
not  
> 	Oh, come on. Please tell me directly when US is going to unite China.
> 	I can not wait to hear. I don't like hint. Tell us what is the next
> 	chance. Maybe we can invite them before they decide to.
> >intelligent enough and depend on others' hint to do homeworks). You might  
know  
> >Qu1 Yuan2. Oh, you must know. He has been praised as the great patriot poet  
in  
> >Chinese history. I remember there was a movie about this great poet QU. The  
> >movie praised him so hard and it reminded me of some CCP propaganda (in  
fact,  
> >the movie was made in Hongkang). Apperently, to some people include you, Mr.  
> >Li, he was a great patriot who deserved whatever honors for his patriotism.  
> >However, one thing that puzzle me for many years: if Qu had had realized his  
> >glorious dream, then there would have been no China. Instead, there would  
have  
> >been People's Republic of Qing2, Republic of Qi, Kingdom of Chu, United  
States  
> >of Manchuria, United Islamic States of East Turkstan, etc. Think about this.  
> >Don't get drowned in the ocean of history. If you really want to praise  
> >somebody in the history, praise Wang Po and Pan1 Lin1lian2 please. At least  
> >they were the front-runners and martyrs for the current women liberation.
> 
> >Carl
> 
> About those heros, the history has already showed us that their spirits are
> living in people's mind. Because the spirit is so strong, no matter who tryed
> to conquer China, it ended up that they became Chinese. I can not change  
this.
> Maybe you are right. If Japan had won the war, there would be a bigger China.
> You see: the dynasty can come and go. But the spirit does not.
> Go to GOD please, learn something about spirit.


I don't know if you are really a christian. At least you mentioned GOD a lot. I  
just want to tell you that if you are really a christian, you are not supposed  
to praise stuff like Qu Yuan's spirit so much. From the Bible I read,  
patriotism is never part of christianity. Christians are waiting for the  
Kingdom of God. So, unless you are just like those members of so-called Patriot  
Christian Association that is recognized by CG, don't talk too much GOD to me.

I can see you are still bonded by CG's successful education. Even you want to  
become a christian, you can only be a fake one.


Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: suho@cs.cornell.edu (Su-Ho Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:16:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct15.201633.17096
Distribution: na
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY


Just to throw in another point of view (no flame please).

My grandmother always like Japanese more than Chinese
(she considers herself as Taiwanese).  She always said
that Taiwan would be much better under Japanese government.
They did set up the education system in Taiwan, and the 
Japanese government treated Taiwanese people well.  People
were given the opportunity to live and prosper (provided they
don't voice against the Japanese government). 

KMT, on the other hand, disrupt the whole system when they
came.  I guess she could never forget that 2-28 incident.  There
were other things she mentioned, but I can't remember them
right now.  I think her point was that the people lived in 
Taiwan was happy under Japanese rule before the Chinese came 
over.

Of course, this is just one person's point of view, and we 
can't make a general conclusion from it. I am just wondering if
other people have similar experience.


HSH 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca (Yuejin Zhang)
Subject: Re: Shannon's message got through
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:55:55 GMT
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <9210121759.AA28673@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>          Congratulations to Shannon, your message got through.
>                    This is just to help you to distribute your message.
>          TY
>
>            -------------------------------------------------------------
>From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
>Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered
>Subject: An open letter to the US employers
>Date: 10 Oct 92 01:04:55 GMT
>Lines: 18

Stuff deletted.

Oh! I am so sorry for your guys in the US.  Feel the pain? where?
It may really hurt this time! Say, after reading the letter, an
employer to be may think: "Are Chinese all like this guy?", or 
"If I hire some Chinese, I might get one of the persons like this one!!!"

-- 
    Yuejin Zhang	zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.china
From: xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Organization: UB
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:02:25 GMT

* But seriously, I always read things I write a few times before send it.
                                                              sending
* You may not be able to fix all the grammatic errors but mis-spell was easy
                                     grammatical       misspellings are
* to avoid. It is important to write and speak good english (or any language
                                                    English
* one use). Thanks to the guy who point it out first.
      uses                        pointed  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jfl@mojave.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Subject: Re: Mailing address for Mr. Steve Lin
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.195228.24285@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
|> personal preference. Fortunally you are now in a free country and you can  

Depend on how free you are talking about. One of my friend collected huge amount
of facts about CIA and FBI' behavors in foriegn countries to sent to all major
newspapers in the US. I never saw any reporting so far. I am surpried that
media is some how not honest with the public.

|> express whatever you think. Had you had said things like this, I can guarantee  
|> you that you would be behind bar one day, at least sent into a re-education  
|> camp, or maybe you would be jail-mate of Wei Jinsheng (although Wei would never  
|> like you because of your viewpoint). 

The CCP never say that they share the same value of the US. It is the US which
turn out to be a  big liar.

|> I strongly suggest you not to go back in the near future after I read your  
|> above post, for your own interest. Although I don't like your viewpoint, I  
|> still don't want to see you spend your time in a confined cell. I think you  
|> would think of Carl after you sit lonely in jail for a while.

No, he will forget you very quickly because he knew what he should avoid to
offend others in China but not here.
From: ws22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wenjun Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:42:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wep8wzK00VpaECLF0q
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This is 'netnews.soc.culture.china', why should the Japanese stir the
mess in this net? They have their own 'netnews.soc.culture.japan', and a
lot of Americans post messages over there (it seems that more Americans
than Japanese over there). Metioning Americans, long time ago, there was
a 'Scott Horne' in this china-land, but not any more, maybe he found
another way to kill his time, or just got a girl friend :) Hardly see
any more american friends in this net now :(
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 13:50:11 EST
From: Tao Yao <TAYAO@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: How to find a person

     It seems a lot of people are looking for friends here. If you know where
is your friend you are looking for (ie. which university, or which city), try
this before you post a *HELP* post here:
          TELNET bruno.cs.colorado.edu
     Then login as "netfind" and follow the instructions.

     Good luck!
From: aghanda3@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Johnny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Dui Lian
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:21:16 EST
Organization: Power Control Laboratory

In article <Oct.5.15.52.10.1992.18713@europa.rutgers.edu>, pli@europa.rutgers.edu (Peiyuan Li) writes:
> Is there anyperson to know the Dui Lian in Wu Hou Shi, Chengdu,
> Shichuan, which was famous historically. 
> 
> 

	You must mean:
	Neng2 Gong1Xin1 Ze2 Fan3Ce4 Zi4Xiao1 Zi4Gu3 Zhi1Bing1 Fei1 Hao4Zhan4
	Bu4 Sheng3Shi4 Gi4 Kuan1Yian2 Jie2Wu4 Hou4Lai2 Zhi4Shu2 Yiao4 Yong4Xin1

Johnny
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	Give me Liberty or give death.	           -- Patrick Henry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: God vs Democracy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:40:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.215545.8348@wuecl.wustl.edu> yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung  
Liu) writes:
> God vs Democracy
> 
> God dictated bible.
> Bible dictated us.
> Authoritarian.
> 
> We select bible.
> Bible select God.
> Democracy.
> 
> This is not a two way street.
> Can anyone suggest me a direction?


I hope God does not act against democracy. If he does, I will choose democracy  
instead of God. Otherwise, I will probably choose both God and democracy.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wuz@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Zhong Wu)
Subject: test
Line: 1
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:19:14 GMT

it is another test!!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mli@engr.latech.edu (Minyan Li)
Subject: Looking for guy from BBI, Beijing..
Reply-To: mli@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:00:48 GMT

Hi, I am looking for Mr. Zhang Wenlong who graduated from Beijing Broadcasting Institute
in 1984, came to U.S. from Xiamen TV Station in 1987 and studied at Bucknell U. 
He got his M.S. degree in 1989. If somebody has information about him, please contact me
by e-mail. Help will be greatly appreciated.


Sincerely,

M. Li
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:56:00 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <Bvv4tJ.F65@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:

>[...]
>	No, I am not talking about the law/bill.  I can not care less what
>Uncle Sam decids to do for a group of CSS.  What I am addressing is the
>honesty of CSS ourselves.
>
>	What do you feel when you see a headline "Chinese Students Fears
>Imprisonment if Return"?  Is that an honest message?  Doesn't affect
>China's interest, especially at the time trade issues are being mixed
>up with political issues?

  Who wrote that headline?  Should it be "No Chinese Students Fears
  Imprisonment if Return"?  If that headline does affect China's interest,
  should it be CSS here to be blamed?

>[...]
>
>	 Eddie

-ping
From: ast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Abraham Shen Tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ***   TEST,  ignore it  ***
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:27:32 GMT
Reply-To: ast@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Abraham Shen Tong)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ast@huey.cc.utexas.edu

This is a test,   guys,   don't read this!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mouli told me how to do this.


Bye.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:01:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.171845.6515@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct12.154534.4580@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) won Boo

......
>
>I think CaoShu is the most stylish one among all the different styles of
>chinese calligraphes. And yes, my only concern is also whether the simplified
>one is more beautiful than the old one. Accordingly, I think people who
>cannot write a good hand of chinese character in MaoBi, especially in
>CaoShu should shut up on the subject, period.
>
True, many people are concerning about the good appearance of
traditional chars. But for me, a terrible calligrahper, just want the
work easier. Seems a low brow approach. Here only want to show you the
opinion from the other side.

>Steven
>------
Tingli Pan
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:36:13 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <BvrLAC.AwC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) write

> BTW, why not the other one put on a P pre-fix? 
>

There is no way out.

IMO, the P stuff does not describe the nature of this communist regime well.
I suggest use Authoritarian of China, or Chinese Dictatorship for the
"People's" Republic of China. Because, it is a hypocricy to say China belongs
to the people, which does not but a few despots, so remove the "People's",
and because China is not in any way a republic, so, remove the republic. Then,
what have we got? That is "of China", which does not say what political form
China harbors, so, I reckon dictatorship or authoritarian would be better to
save China from this nameless situation.

 
> Tingli Pan
> >
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:55:29 GMT

In article <Bvystz.AMr@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>In article <9228521.24121@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes...
>> 
>>To me, this change is extremely stupid.  I mean, if they want
>>to simplify, fair enough, I'm for it.... but by taking the
>>heart out of the word "love" is pure stupidity.
>> 
>>Can someone tell me who is responsible for all these changes?
>> 
>>Note that, I am NOT against simplification, but I think how
>>it's done.  I think a lot of the changes that Mainland has
>>done is silly... it simply kills the word's meaning in the
>>symbol, like taking the "heart" out of "love".
>> 
>>-- 
>>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
>
>It is toltally unnecessary to create simplified characters. If you want to
>make Chinese easy to write , you can create some kind of alphabet like what
>Dr. Hu shi did . That will also make Chinese keying easier in computer.
>The standard characters has been used for 2000 years. Although it is a little
>bit harder for beginners to write than simplified character, it is beautiful
>and it makes sense for all Chinese dialects. Mainlanders were forced to use
>it and have been used to it while Taiwanese are still using standard characters
> Who is the separatist ? Who are destroying the integrity of China in the
>cultural aspects?  If military forces decide everything, those mainlanders who
>think it is important to keep China as genuine China(including territory) should
>be very happy about the F-16 sale to Taiwan so that a piese of genuine China
>will be preserved .

Are you sure "it makes sense for all Chinese dialects"? One can always pick
up some bone in egg. Even in the so called "standard characters", someone
thinks 
            ---'
        ------|------
           +-----+
           |--+--|
           +-----+
           ---|---
        --------------
should mean 'far' because it composes of 'thousand miles', and the character

               |
            |__|__|
               |
           |___|___|

should mean 'weight' since there are two 'mountains' in it. Someone can even
go further to argue that

                |
           -----|-----
                ^
               /'\
              /   \
             /     \

should be 'human', who is responsable for cutting off his hands and organ?
From: fgg8386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Fangpu Gao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9201 people's reaction to the blood card and blood carders
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:28:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw0oFp.A04
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan) writes:

>In article <2AD5ED9D.8292@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:

>I was curious about the altitude that Mr. Shannon Yeh has towards S1216.
>Now, I think that I know the answer.

>Noticed that his account is

>yeh@netix.com

>This machine does not belong to any University. It belongs to industry.

>It will be wise if someone can tell me which company he is working with.
>I am sort of curious.

>Y.Duan

I do remember someone did post some relevent message before, and the message
contained several email accounts in China.  That message ended with "NO
comment".
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