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From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
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>>  Very feeble. You may as well postulate that the Wodehouse characters
>>are all Martians.
>>
>You mean they're NOT?  <sigh>  One more youthful illusion bites the dust.

How CAN anyone harbour a belief like that?

tushar
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
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>Oh -- I forgot to mention that I do have useful credentials for taking
>over STALAG-L.  I saw Mickey Mantle hit a homerun in Yankee Stadium when
      ^^^^^^
>I was 12, and I sometimes was in charge of putting the score up on the
>scoreboard when my brother was playing Babe Ruth League baseball.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

	Just a typo, eh?

	We are *not* amused, even if Fay Vincent has just been exiled to the
	Gulag.

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                    "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."
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Subject:      SEX ID
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MY ID FILE:

NAME:     LARRY WILSON
NICKNAME: NITEMAN
BIRTH DATE: JULY 8, 1969
AGE: 23
BIRTHPLACE:  PARIS
FORMER RESIDENCE: NEW YORK
CURRENT RESIDENCE: VMI
INTERNET ADDRESS: HELP%HELP%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
SEX: MALE
MARITAL STATUS: SINGLE (BUT ON THE PROWL)
HAIL COLOR: BLOND
EYE COLOR: BLUE
HEIGHT: 5'9
EDUCATION: HOPE TO FINISH THIS DAMN SCHOOL..
CURRENT EMPLOYMENT: CREDIT CARDS FROM PARENTS
PETS: CHOW DOG
MUSIC PREFERENCE: TOP 40, GEORGE MICHAEL, MADONNA
FAVORITE SONG: "I WANT YOUR SEX" GEORGE MICHAEL
FAVORITE COLORS: ALL KINDS
FAVORITE BOOKS: ALL KINDS
FAVORITE MOVIES: DICK TRACY, GHOST
FAVORITE TV SHOWS: SPICE ON SAT
FAVORITE FOODS: ANYTHING THAT HAS A HOT SWEET TASTE
FAVORITE ACTIVITIES: RIDING AROUND IN MY '92 ZR-1 CORVETTE.
LEAST FAVORITE ACTIVITIES: NOT HAVING SEX ON THE FIRST DATE.
HOBBIES: SEX AND CARS


NITEMAN
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From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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to those who read mostly mysteries....Please name your
favorites.  Has anyone tried Aaron Elkins..e.g. Old
Bones, whose detective Gideon Oliver is a forensic
Anthropologist? MG
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: wordsler birthdays
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Robeymeister
 I have a Tandy notebook at school (no modem though - and no phone hookup)
and I'm not too fond of it either.  It *is* better than nothing and *is*
free and has Hangman on it for when I have a spare 30 seconds each day.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> You *are* a dickens; we can't say a little dickens with the big double nickel
>> speeding down the autobahn and gaining on that Miata....  But anyway, you get
>> your wish.
>>
>It just caught up with me.... *zaaaapppppppp*..... ahrrrggggg!
>Where am I what is my name and why am I driving this... uh....
>....uh..... whatchamacallit?
I just hope the birthday fairy didn't have PMS when she zapped you!  Uh oh, 
looks like she did....  Just let that nice sister of yours drive you home
and fix you a nice cup of Geritol.
>>
>And, thanks, ruthie, for what that is.
You're welcome, Giggie baby, for whatever that was.
>
Ruth
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Garcia Marquez
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>>   p.s.:  Most of the stuff in OHYOS can't be *explained*... it's
>
>        What about the ants, though?  And what's the link between
>the singing birds, the candy animals, and the ants?     There's
>gotta be one there..
>
>Rita
Oh, that one's *easy*! The ants eat the candy animals,
and the birds, when they stop singing, eat the ants,
now plump and delicious.

Howzat, ggs? Can I get the extra credit?

judith
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: This is crazy
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I hope that the bad wheather blew by you. I heard the macadama (sp?)  nut
trees or what ever were trashed in Hawaii.

later

alec
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Zen
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              Thomas" at Sep 11, 92 12:50 am

> Zen/Internet is well-worth reading. For those who haven't read it,
> check out our very own bwp's brilliant review in a recent
> E-zine. Better to buy it, 'cause the author (Brendan Kehoe) is just
> a poor computer d00dling who wrote it as a labor of love. There's
> stuff in the paperback that's not in the e-version.

	Hehe.  Yeah, Brendan is a cool guy, so buying it would
be a nice thing to do.  I've never actually met Brendan, which
is sorta weird because I've been e-mailing with him for years.
He's up towards the top of my "should meet" list.  Probably at
CFPIII.

Rita
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:11:12 -0400
From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rhubarb Pie
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RIta says:

>	Many Thanks go to Doris for her quick reply with a great
>recipe full of hints so that I don't screw it up.

Was Doris' reply posted to the list?  I never saw it.  I'd like it
if it can be shared -- especially the hints -- the rhubarb always seems
overcooked when I do it.

--- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:23:29 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Plumbing Woes
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> What tarp?  The tarp they throw over the goat, clams, etc. to hold the
> steam in.

Steamed clams are fine, but I don't think I would like steamed goat.
There's no tarp at a goat roast.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: Teaching....

>>                              Still, use of senses 1a and 1b will incur
>>      the disapproval of some who may not fully appreciate the history
>>      of this word or the subtleties of its present use.
>
>Precisely my point re prescriptivism.

I don't understand at all. So if I know the full history of a word I am
allowed to prescribe its meaning?

tushar
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:31:34 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Leaving... ?
              13 Sep 1992 15:09:48 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:09:48 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>Noooooooo, Tony!!  You are not allowed to leave!!  Ever heard of U of
>Toronto??  Find it.  Now.

I worked there for five years.  I'm working on it.  Thanks!

Tony H.
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Zen/Internet is well-worth reading. For those who haven't read it,
check out our very own bwp's brilliant review in a recent
E-zine. Better to buy it, 'cause the author (Brendan Kehoe) is just
a poor computer d00dling who wrote it as a labor of love. There's
stuff in the paperback that's not in the e-version.

Jim (Neither brendan nor anne paid me for this) Pirsig
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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What Happened To Me In The Library 2
---------------------------------------
7)  After a moment's hesitation, I remember my resolution to
do precisely those things that I am afraid of doing, having
heard somewhere that *that* is what <builds character>.  So,
I refuse  to be deterred, to choose another of the library's
many rest rooms, and I push the door and go right in, only
to find, to my <dismay>, that the antagonistic feminist is
standing at the urinal with her dress hitched up to her waist,
and her pantyhose down below her slender bohunkus, and doing
what men do best:  writing her name on the floor beside the
urinal, looking over her shoulder with that what-do-you-think-
you-want sort of snarly stare.  I think to myself "My god,
this is a ........... *man*....." and I am right.  My mother
said that parts of their body were different, and she was
right.  So, undaunted by this sudden revelation, I go to
a nearby station (not too near this *person*) and act as
if there were nothing unusual about this situation.
.
8)  Just as I am about to do what I had come in there to do,
the feminist breaks into a gale of laughter, looks at me, and
says "Zo you hafn't  returned your books?  Hah.  I zay, hah.
No more buks vor yew!"  I must inquire about this strange
accent, and the feminist informs me that <she> is an exiled
count(ess) from Budapest, in Raleigh on a research mission to
gather information about an ancestor who was of mixed ancestry,
but rumoured to have connections in Lisbon around the turn of
the century.  "Lisbon?" I ask, knowing that this is  just too
much of a coincidence, but then I became a little unnerved as
I realize that this person has written the name Pineiro on the
tiles beside the urinal, with a definitely European flourish.
"Doez the name Pineiro *mean* anyting to yew?" she inquires,
and I start to back away in horror.  Stopped however, by the
sound of the door opening, and *George* enters the men's room,
hand already on his zipper, stops short and says "Well, prof,
are you *behaving* yourself?"
-----------------------intermission 2---------------------
--ggs
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:26:21 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> Ohhhhh Myyyyyyy Goooddddddddd!  This is *so* embarrassing.  I thought
> nobody every read that stuff!  This is like something from another
> life.  I must be dreaming.

But of course we do.  How else was I to find out that Tsuchiya provides
a thorough analysis of the many ways in which the voices of Galdos's novels
are aware of the artifice and autonomous language of the texts that they
create?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:16:57 -0400
From:         droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:      Re: wordsler birthdays
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              09 Sep 92 20:33:00 EDT." <9209092036.aa02489@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>:
>Well we know for sure that:
>.... neal's is September 25
>.... -ggs' is September 13
>.... Colonel Sanders' is September 9
>.... -ggs' tc/sw's is June 3

The RobyMeister was born on November 3, 1952, which means he'll be 40
in a couple months.  Having failed to host the great  Gloucester
post-clam slam in August as suggested some time ago, maybe he'll have a
birthday party.  In November presumably.  As we've had a somewhat
traditional autumn party here, it might just work out.  It used to be
the annual housewarming when we were moving alot.

And maybe he'll even stop referring to himself in the third person.

Paul's playing that damned game again, so I'm stuck on this awful
Tandy machine.  And I'm 500 messages behind again because work has
been crazy (I'm sole proprietor of the Tufts network at the moment).
But I peeked ahead.  I haven't given up and deleted messages again.

Well, I think I'll fix myself another gimlet.  And maybe go back and
sprinkle a few random glitches through this message so no-one will
know I've been correcting Tandy-induced typos as I went along.  If the
message looks just fine that means I decided the gimlet was more
important.

Hello, is this the Blue Moon Saloon?  Bartebnter,  I'df loirke
anotrhet drinkj.

Good thing I'm home.  Not far to stumble.
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In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>
>>You're 100, Don?  I never would have believed it.  Nahh - you're not a day
>>over 60.  That makes Natalie what now, 29? :-)
>
>Ruth, you are absolutely correct!  I am not a day over 60!
But we still don't know your birthday.  Mine's February 24 . [comprehensible,
Tony?:) ]
>>Here Be Dragons
>imes, it seems I am dragon.....

Nahh - more like a pussycat most of the time.  Dragons eat small lap dogs as
an appetizer; they don't let said dogs use their terminals....

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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:20:55 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Winnowing

>> You also seem to be into equality,btw, while the rest of the list
>> is into being greater than.
>> -Mka
>
>A classic pre-emptive strike from Mr One-upmanship!

The poor thing was only trying to make a small ascii joke. Why load
it with higher motives?

tushar

PS It occurs to me now that  >>  is used for "much greater than".
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:21:06 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Rhubarb Pie: A Plea for Sanity
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> but sour mash IS popular in MS isn't it Natalie?

Yes.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>> my dictionary to be sure I dont missspelll any more words we all
>> know that a missspellled word is the sign of an uneducated person.
>> doris, make this lady *stop* what she is doing!
>> --gggs
>
>Now, now, --ggs, calm down.  Ruth is just trying to see if she can get
>your *goat,* I don't think she's trying to produce static in your lines.
Well, getting it, no, *roasting it*, yes.   Roast young goat is delicious.:-)

>Ruth, be a good girl and 'pologize to --ggs, OK?
OK, sorry -ggs, oh king of <missspelllinggggssss>


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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:04:19 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:28:48 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> Sorry.  Although neither of the proposed wordings is "right" for getting
> untainted results (or at least as untainted results as possible -- most
> results of linguistic fieldwork are tainted to some degree), Jim's is
> better than Graham's.  The best method would be to hear the informant

> > You're not testing their active vocabulary - by just giving one choice
> > you're liable to drag from their input lexicon the value of the
> > closely-coupled 'uninterested'.  That's why I suggested you
> > present both words.
>
> You're more likely to test their active vocabulary that way than by
> presenting both words to them.

Saying "Define 'disinterested'" is a better way of testing their active
vocabulary?  I think not.  When you said my suggestion was flawed I was
expecting to hear a considerably more subtle analysis from you.

Please, tell me precisely how _you_ would do this poll.  (Excepting the
preferred method as you suggested of sitting around for a few years till
you heard each student use either word unprompted of course)

G
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From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58)
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> 1) Studs/Bedroom Buddies/Love Connection/Love American style (Anne Hy./Rita)

Why TV is mostly not worth watching unless you are drunk or stoned.

> 2) Don Rickles (Ken W.)
Nightclub comedian and occasional actor who was much bigger in the
Sixties and Seventies than he has been lately.  He made a career out
of a contemptuous stare and club-over-the-head insults.  Coming from
a face that looked like it belonged on a toad, the contemptuous stare
was rather odd.

> 3) Shell Answer Man (Ken W.)
A promotional gimmick of the Shell Oil Company from years ago: some
made-up "expert" like GM's Mr. Goodwrench telling you about common
car service problems, all of them aimed at having you buy Shell's
products, which were no better than anyone else's.

> 4) Breep (Ken W.)
Variation of "ribbit," i.e., a frog noise.

>26) NIMBY (Agnes)

Acronym for "Not In My Back Yard," i.e., the negative reaction in many
communities to the idea of social institutions being built in their
areas.  The institutions include drug treatment centers, halfway houses,
jails, and AIDS hospices.

>43) Will Clark/Rafael Palmeiro (Ken W.)
Major league baseball players of extremely high quality, both of whom
attended Mississippi State University, and played on the same team
(I think Natalie told me they were known as "Thunder and Lightning"
when they played.)

Ken
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>Any ideas what to fill baby food jars with for gifts?

     1.  Diamonds.
     2.  Seashells.
     3.  Homegrown sinsemilla.
     4.  Good 'N' Fruities.
     5.  Earwax (for your least favorite senator).

     Carol
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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> forgive my ignorance. What is
> alt.english.usage and how do I access it. Same re alt.folkore.urban

They're usenet groups.  Ask locally how to access usenet on your system.
Most people have it these days, but how to get to it is system-specific.
I read something by you on usenet last night, but I guess it was in one
of the gatewayed listserv groups (other than bit.listserv.words-l).  I bet
it was either bit.listserv.history or bit.listserv.travel-l.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:46:28 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Network mail addressing problem
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On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:51:53 -0400, "Joan Boorstein" <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>
 wrote:
> suggested the address of someone who I knew to 'computer-live' in Austria
> -- sure enough a bit more sleuthing and I discover that 'univie.ac.at' is
> the network at the University of Vienna in Austria.  I have appended '.at'

That was my first thought when I suggested it, but I dismissed it seconds
later because Austrians spell Vienna 'Wien'.

G
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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> late Sunday.  So don't say anything interesting during that time.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

OK.  I'll follow my usual practice.
Doris (we'll miss you :-()
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Subject: Re: Angling
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Tony asks:

>> I continue to miss this one.  What has Lorne Green (aka _The Voice of Doom_)
>> to do with dog food ?

Lorne Greene does (still??) Alpo dog food commercials -- there is now
Alpo cat food and Garfield is featured on these commercials.
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:12:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Answer to queryt

>Is it just me or has this list taken a decided upswing lately?
>
>-abh

I think folks have just stopped running around their forehand.

-Mka
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