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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:18:24 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug20.041615.24621@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>Ever get that "AHH HAA" sensation??  Well, AHH HAA!! That's right.  It's been
>so long that I had almost forgotten.  I do remember that the C128 had only 2
>processors in it.  It had one for the 128 & 64 mode (namely the 8502), and
>one for CPM mode (namely the Z80).  That must have been what the cause of the
>slight incompatibility was.  You can correct me if I'm wrong here.

The C128 did have the 8502 in it.  The 8502 was an MOS HMOS-II (high speed
NMOS) version of the 6510.  It worked without the PHI2 clock and had one
additional port line.  It could run at 2MHz, but at 1MHz was identical to the
6510 in all operations.  There was a slight chance a program would depend
on the standard C64 settings of the on-chip port at 0/1.  As long as the
machine was set up correctly and booted directly into C64 mode, this was not
a compatibility issue.  As mentioned here (and this is the last time I'll
be saying it for a year or two), the compatibility problems stemmed from
programs that wrote beyond the end of the VIC chip registers or programs
that counted on I/O images that didn't exist (eg, like in the Amiga, there
were I/O chips with a specifically supported address and several extra
images that should never be used).  Booting from C128 mode would occasionally
leave the C128 in a less-than-perfectly-C64 mode, but direct booting made it
about as compatible as different revs of the C64 were to one another.
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:47:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <46306@shamash.cdc.com> app@shamash.cdc.com ( GSD Advanced Packing/Processes) writes:
>>
>>	What CBM should have done about the A570 is make it an external drive
>>that plugs into any Amiga external SCSI port.
>
>REALLY!
>
>Why should I again have to shell out for a scsi interface and memory 
>expansion?  I already have these things on my A500!

Did you read his post? You wouldn't have to shell out for another
SCSI controller as the A570 he describes would plug right into
your SCSI controler, making it cheaper than the model C= now offers.

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Subject: Re: ** NEW AMIGAS **
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:09:43 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug21.004439.24674@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> In article <u894776.714318756@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Dream On) writes:
>>[I heard these rumours on the net - read at own peril]
> 
	[ bogus prices, etc deleted ]

>    Wishful thinking, IMO.  Consider that Commodore still has not lowered the
> price on the cheapest of the A3000 systems (the A3000/16-40) to below $1500
> yet, even though the production and development costs of the ECS have been
> long since paid for.  
	
	That's interesting.  I just read the Jerry Purnelle article in Byte
	and he said there are only 1 million Amigas in the US, since we no
	Commodore has only sold 3 million Amigas, most of them in Europe, and
	>95% A500 class machines, then we have 100,000 A2000/3000 machines in
	Europe, and I'll be generous and say 25% of US machines are A2000/3000.
	That is 350,000 A2000/3000 machines.  If only 25% of those are 3000s
	(a generous estimate), then there are about 87,500 A3000s in existance.
	Do you think Commodore had only planned to sell this many?  

	IMHO, Commodore probably, consistantly over estimates the number of 
	machines they are going to sell.  Of course they don't have a good
	consistant marketing plan anyway, so go figure.

	BTW, there was another article in byte about the IBM, 'ultimedia'
	machine.  It evidently has a custom sound card, Windows 3.1, CD-ROM,
	200 meg harddrive, 386sx processor, and 8541 vidio (paraphrasing), 
	and it was priced at $6000.  Commodores 040-3000T, while seeming
	way over priced to us on the net, in comparison with your garden
	variety, 486DX clone, must be aimed at the IBM.

	The 040-3000T has worse vertical video resolution, and fewer colors
	available, (I'll have to re-read the artical about sound), no 
	CD-ROM drive, and a 1.76 mb (compared to the IBM 2.88) floppy, but, 
	a way more powerfull CPU.   

> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------
>    Coming soon to a theatre near you: "Honey, I Shrunk the Sales!", 
>    starring George Burns as Irving Gould.
> 
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		-- Dan Quayle

>
From: groleau@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Francois Groleau)
Subject: Re: CBM, Advertising, Etc...
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Keywords: CBM ADVERTISING
Reply-To: groleau@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Francois Groleau)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:37:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.115647.5927@cam-orl.co.uk>, pe@cam-orl.co.uk (Philip Elwell) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug11.224038.889@medsys.rn.com>, wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus) writes:
|> 
|> Commodore are also responsible for one of the most sexist advertisements I have
|> seen recently. It appeared in 'PC Format', a UK magazine aimed at the more
|> popular end of the PC market. I don't read it (I don't own a PC) but I have
|> flipped through it in newsagents.
|> 
|> The ad in question featured a full page picture of a woman, apparently naked
|> except for shoes and (possibly) tights, with a small computer positioned
|> strategically to hide her embarassment. She was wearing gold-rimmed glasses
|> and wearing her hair up, giving the impression of a secretary taking
|> dictation.
|> 
|> The caption underneath read:
|> 
|> "Wouldn't you love on on your lap?"
|> 
|> (or words to that effect)
|> 
|> Note to Commodore: Keep up this level of advertising and you are likely to lose
|> a lot of support.
|> 

	Strange, but I have the impression that sexism is still rampant in
those UK magazines.  I remember flipping through an Amiga Format (or was it
Amiga Power?) issue where they had this A500 to give away.  There
was this attractive girl holding the A500 and the text said:  
"This A500 could be yours, but not the girlsie!"

	
|> Phil

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Why the A600? Some ZEN marketing VooDoo?
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:54:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205736.11004@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>Why the A600 now? All indications point to a release of new
>video chips (and maybe audio) by the end of the year. Perhaps
>as early as September, but I think not as I expect C= to
>release just more re-hashed old technology at that show.

Assuming that the AA chip set is 32-bit, it couldn't easily be used with a
16-bit 68000 - not cheaply, anyway, since you'd have to have some 16<->32-bit
glue.  I suspect that being able to build a purely 16-bit machine is the
reason, and that only makes sense if the A600 is going to be very cheap.
Certainly cheaper than they're selling for now ($600 = US$440 over here).

I have high hopes of seeing new machines next month, but these will be mid to
high end.  Knowing Commodore, a new low-end machine would follow next year some
time.


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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:56:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.221333.24754@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>>> Did I say that OS/2 is in a class above AmigaDOS?  
>>
>>Yes, sure, every second sentence from you implies that.
>>
>
>I challenge you to provide some examples of this.
>
>>
>>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...

>| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |

Here's the example Jerry, you asked :)

Article 28606:

>And how much of a machine do you need to run UNIX with X11?  Sun decided
>that the 680x0 line was not fast enough, and sells most of its Sparcstations
>with at least 32MB RAM.  What about Mac System 7?  It's a joke on anything
>less than a IIci w/8MB RAM.  Don't compare OS/2 2.0 to AmigaDOS -- AmigaDOS
>isn't even close in terms of functionality, so it shouldn't take Sherlock
>Homes to figure out that it requires less hardware.

To which I replied:

>Well, I'll ask you this question again.  What "functionality" does
>OS/2 2.0 provide that is not present in AmigaDOS?  I already know
>about VM and MP but what else is present?  Does it perhaps support
>multiple users like Unix, or multiple processors?  Please back up claims
>such as "faster" file systems with objective comparisons.

I interpreted that to mean that you thought OS/2 was in a class above
AmigaDOS 2.0.  What did you mean?
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From: ganoe@sde.mdso.vf.ge.com (Ganoe Craig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: MPEG, Photo CD (was: CDTV is dead)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:43:52 GMT
Organization: GE M&DSO - VF

In article <kdarling.713335823@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> > es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.eda (Ethan Solomita) writes: 
> OTOH, it is probable that current CDTV models cannot be expanded with MPEG.
> But then, I don't believe Commodore has ever promised that they could be.

See my other posting, Commodore has answered this.

> > [...]  PhotoCD is an emerging thing.  Geez, do you want all things before
> > they are even accessible?   Try naming a few PhotoCD players that are
> > shipping? And don't give me the Photo-CD ready nonsense.
> 
> Well, CD-I players (which are also Photo CD players by definition, since
> all Photo CDs include CD-I player code) have been shipping for a long time.
>
Look in VIDEO magazine again. there's a joint ad in there with Philips and some
other companies that implies that the current CD-I 910 model does not support
Photo-CD, but that a new model coming out in a month will. I had to read this
twice, I'd swear the 910 CD-I's say right on their chassis Photo-CD, but that's
what the ad said. I'll get a hold of the issue and quote it when I get the chance.

> But if you mean the Kodak Photo CD players, they're also being shipped now.
> The first two Kodak player models are the PCD 270 and PCD 870; later the
> PCD 5870 5-disc model will come out.  Developing is now available (or will
> be next week) at over 1,000 places in the US.  There's a 50K list of those
> places in the PHOTOFORUM on CompuServe, if you wish to download it.
> 
> Personal computer Photo CD access software is also now available for Windows
> and the MacOS, with Quicktime support due later this year.  
> 
> As of last month, a Kodak rep said that Commodore didn't yet have a Photo CD
> license for CDTV.  This doesn't mean that access software couldn't be written
> for Amigas/CDTVs, but that CDTVs can't wear a "Photo CD" label.  One obvious
> glitch is that a new CDTV drive would be needed with multisession capability.
> (Aha! Perhaps that's what the Amiga addon CD-ROM drive delay is all about?)
>
Note that the new Kodak players aren't CD-I compatible. It looks like from the 
Photo-CD support on other platforms that Kodak has realized that it needs more
than CD-I to get recognized as a standard.
  
> We now return you to a (hopefully) better informed debate :-)
> 
thanks for the info.

> regards - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>

Craig
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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Re: A3000T ad (was: Re: New A3000T ?!?
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:08:08 GMT

In article <Bt72Kt.7nz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gerber@orion.astro.uiuc.edu (Richard A. Gerber) writes:
>In <9208181730.AA00580@aitgw.ge.com> BYRNE@MUPPET.dnet.ge.com writes:
>
>This was an amazing thing about the ad: you had to read the fine print
>to figure out what in the heck was being advertised! A dorky cartoon of some

   You mean the picture of the computer and '040 didn't help any? Amazing...

>character straight out of Amiga World's 'Last 'Licks' column with a
>knife and fork in his hand is supposed to sell the high end Amiga?

   So what do you want them to use? They could be like clone retailers and
splurge half-nude females on the screens with a page full of useless numbers,
or they could be like Apple and but somebody in a suit smiling and talking
about how wonderful it is to use a Macintosh.
   Zax be ungst! What the hell do people want? First people bitched because
"Commodore never advertises". And now that they do, they get bitched at
because "the ads are stupid". Come on people, don't look a gift horse in the
mouth.

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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:53:07 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>griffin@frith.egr.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) writes:
>: Wrong...the death penalty is punishment for the 'murder'--unlawful taking
>: of an innocent life--that the perpetrator commited.
>It should never be LEGAL to take someone's life.  Not even a
>murderer's.  That's what it is.  It's the taking of someone's life to
>punish someone for being convicted of murder.  Convicted of does not
>equal is guilty of.  It should be, but it doesn't HAVE to be.

	So Jeffery D. isn't guilty of killing all those people
and storeing their body parts in his appartment? So we shouldn't
strap him into the chair and fry him, right? Conviction does equal
guilty. SOME mistakes are made, but we are only human. I'd rather
see Jeffy D in the chair than back on the streets. A "life" sentance
is hardly that.

	Richard Speck killed several student nurses, one of them was my
aunt's husband's sister. For this he recived "life" in prision. YET he
was up for paroll several times before he died in prison! Every time
the realitives of those who were kill had to go to his paroll hearings
and testify to denie him paroll. Is this "fair"? No way! He should have been
fried on the chair.

James
From: kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:41:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug18.174133.11305
Organization: The J. Edgar Hoover Happy Relaxed Days Society

In article <1992Aug18.154334.3430@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.022647.19887@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
>Yeah, I guess flaming Jeff Young is child abuse and might get us into
>trouble.  Old Slu has hit the quarter century mark and is an admitted
>masochist, so maybe I'll let him out of his cage and let him get his
>butt roasted a bit.  He's been under heavy sedation since that episode
>earlier this year and doesn't even know about the Commodore reps that 
>have been down here looking for him.  We've even gotten a few of the 
>Stunbrellas from Florida so we don't have to use the baseball bat to
>put him back in the cage.  That should make all the bleeding-heart 
>liberals around here happy.  :-)
>
>>/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/
>>/* I want my 32bit chip set	*/
>                           
>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>Imagine putting the mightiest armed force in the world under the 
>command of a draft-dodger.

It's pretty close already, considering that Dick Cheney is Secretary of
Defense...

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:59:20 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Aug22.215422.15576@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>And now I wonder if you've ever used the program on your fonts disk
>for AmigaDos 2.0, in the System directory, entitled "Fountain".  On

My 'fonts disk'?
I don't own an Amiga, either.
I own a 386/33 with OS/2 2.0

>the left is a listview for the "source directory".  On the right, your
>font assigns can be cycled through, and you can edit your CGFont
>descriptions.  Back to the left, let's say you totally lack
>originality, and your hard drive is labeled E:.  You select your
>directory using the ASL File requester which is set up to give you a
>list of directories and volumes through a standard call, and suddenly
>all of the fonts it found there magically appear.  Select the fonts
>you'd like to install after selecting which assigned Fonts: folder
>you'd like to put them into, and click the "Install" button.  Poof, it
>installs them.  Then, go an edit the descriptions to decide which
>sizes you wish to appear for programs that can't make use of CGFonts
>on their own.  I typically use 8,9,13,15,19,24,36,48,60,72, and 90 as
>mine, it covers most of the bases I'll ever run across.  I also put a
>size of 288 in there, for the banners I put up every once in a while.

Yes, very similar to the OS/2 2.0 installation.  What is 'CG', btw?

>And here's something rather unnoticed about your post...
>
>: NOW, when ever I typesomething in an Editor, or that Enhanced editor (and I  
>: me some other WP - I don't have one), I select the top-line menu that corresp
>: s to 'change font', or 'style' or some such pertaining to changing
>: font style.  A dialog box pops up, witha list of all the fonts at my
>: disposal, and a graphics box showing a _sample_ of the highlighted font.  I 
>: either double-click the font I want, or highlight it and press 'Ok'.  THat's
>: it, and now the font has changed.
>
>Do you know what an ASL Font Requester looks like, out of curiosity?
>A listview of fonts with a little display of what the font looks like
>down below...

Yes, isn't that just what I described?  I list of fonts on the side, I highlight a
fonts, and a graphics sample of the font is shown.

>You sure you have 2.0?  (ASL is the standard requester for the system,
>just in case you didn't know.  ;)

I have **OS/2** ver 2.0.  Not Amigados 2.0

>Greg

>(: "...and here's Clinton giving the correct spelling of bong-resin..."  :)
>(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)


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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:55:42 GMT
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries

In article <1992Aug18.224104.24670@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.220533.21552@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>It did appear that you were considering "DOS and Windows
>>compatibility" to be a feature over AmigaOS.
>
>Greg, if you had the option to run Windows and DOS, would you do it?

The ability to run DOS and Windows apps is definitely a Good Thing, especially
if you can get rid of it if it's not needed, as in OS/2.

However, OS/2 has a huge advantage over AmigaOS in that respect simply because
it's running on an x86.  Comparing OSs on the basis of the software they can
support is only valid if they're running on comparable hardware.

If OS/2 2.0 were portable, and was running on a 680x0 system, it would be
appropriate to compare it's DOS/Windows support to that of AmigaOS.  As things
are, though, the ability of OS/2 to run DOS/Windows software is nice, but it
can't really be fairly considered something it "has over" AmigaOS.


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:40:36 GMT

glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
: 	You are totally wrong on this one Greg.  Video devices have VDI
: drivers (I am making the assumption you know what a driver is) for GEM.

It's a good assumption.

: Calamus and such are GEM applications so they can be run on any video
: board that has a driver.  Calamus already works with 256 colors on the
: plain ol' ST if you have one of the 3rd party video boards like 'Crazy
: Dots' and such.

Thans for the info, despite the tone of it.

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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:25:44 GMT

In article <185@future.sbc.com> mk9629@future.UUCP (Mike R. Kraml) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.014759.3055@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>I beleive the full 50Mhz 486 runs a little over 40 MIPS, maybe 41-42.          
>
>   I kind of doubt it, the 486/50 dx2 which does run internally at 50MHZ
>   averages 9 MIPs on the C&T MIPS benchmark, which, I believe does a 
>   pretty good job with a general instruction, integer, memory to memory,
>   register to register, and register to memory instruction mix.  Granted
>   the straight 50 will do better on the memory access tests, however, 
>   its only a fraction of the equation.  Overall, you could probably 
>   expect around 10-12 MIPS (using a decent MIPS benchmark) on the 
>   50 MHZ 486 DX chip.  Sorry, couldn't resist.  Mike...
>
>>*Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu 

Yet most specs done are not using C&T, I believe they use PM.