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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Registering a boat in Sweden ?
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:41:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.211128.10056@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven Grenander) writes:
>My better half and I are getting ready to buy a blue-water sailboat (to cruise
>and live aboard). We have considered the possibility of Swedish registry so
>that we can fly my Swedish flag rather than her US flag.
>
>Could someone give me a ball-park estimate what kind of tax burden we may
>set ourselves up for if we carry this through. What government offices should
>we contact for more detailed information ? Any other regulatory issues which
>we should consider ?

A few years ago, when this country had a social democratic government, a 
law about mandatory registration of boats (non-commercial water vessels) 
of more than x in length and/or a motor strength in excess of y was
introduced. The boats recieved a code of the type <three letters><a 
two-figure number>, e.g. ABC12. There was some kind of registration fee.
This met with a lot of protests from boat-people (not too seldom 
something like "I'll take my boat and shove it up the *** of those f***ing
fascist communist social democrats and emigrate to the Soviet Union 
instead" (-: ), and many boats which should have been registred, never
were. A general suspicion was that this small boat register was intended
to pave the way for a general annual boat tax. The social democratic
government denied this, but you are well advised never to believe a
Swedish social democrat when (s)he says that (s)he doesn't intend to
increase a tax or introduce a new one.

Rather recently, our non-socialist government announced that the boat 
register will be disbanded. I'm not sure if it's been scrapped yet, it 
could have happened July 1, when the fiscal year 92/93 started, or 
perhaps it will cease to be January 1, 1993.

Anyway, this means there are no special obligations you have to fulfill 
to call your private boat in non-commercial use Swedish. No registration 
and no tax. (Except, of course, the standard +25% value-added tax if you 
buy a boat in Sweden...) On the other hand, you have no proof that it's
Swedish-registred (or that you have diplomatic immunity etc. (-: ), if
that's what you want. 

Tomas
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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:44:24 GMT

tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
>pem@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per-Erik Martin) writes:

>>In Swedish handwriting you often
>>see something that looks like a tilde (~) instead of the two dots.

>I'd say it's more common to see a "bar"

Well the tilde type was used for handwriting handwriting, but now that
the schools don't teach it, and people use print letters, the bar type
is sometimes used. It's ugly.

>I have a feeling that deviations from " (towards ~ or _) is more common
>among females than males.

You are probably right, but *what* shall we call the little *ring* the
girls use instead of a dot on top of i and j?
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From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Emailing Ice Land (sic)
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:58:27 GMT
	<1992Sep4.180627.12755@lth.se> <1992Sep4.193026.1283@news.uit.no>
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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In-reply-to: sveini@mack.uit.no's message of 4 Sep 92 19:30:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.193026.1283@news.uit.no> sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:



   (US people that should be) Keflavik is known as an US Air Force base
   somewhere out in the Atlantic Ocean. Correct me if I am wrong, but I
   think the base is sort of closed in the way that the yankies are on the
   other side of the fence than the icelanders.

Technically Keflavik Airport is the International Airport and is
located about 50km from Reykjavik, which last time I looked had
its own perfectly nice airport on which big nasty intercontinental
jets are not allowed to land (something to do with the RAF stupidly
building it on a marsh literally in middle of downtown...).
Keflavik Airport is on a US Navy base, curiously located in some
of the ugliest lava fields you'll ever see (The US _asked_ us
where to put an airbase...), most of the base is indeed
closed and interactions between base personnel and civilians are
limited - although I don't think people have to go through a security
gate to catch a plane any longer...

Anyone want to take bets on whether the lease on the base
wil be extended (it runs out in 1999? or did they take an early
extension a few years ago?)

   Iceland has access to INTERNET (that is why Einar is able to post stuff
   that Kurt can read), while the US Air Force base (still at KEFLAVIK)
   probably is connected to some *other types of networks*.

There is most likely a internet link to the base (probably shares a
feed with rhi.is ;-) - and a most likely a milnet link to, plus a
number of other links :-(  - US Navy Info office or one of the milnet
servers is your best bet - although I wouldn't bet on many people
having accounts on the base - not unless compu$erve has made it to 
Iceland.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:13:45

>>>>> pem@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per-Erik Martin) writes:

> Why the Norwegian name? Both the letter and the person who named the unit
> Angstrom are Swedish. The letter was adopted in Norwegian and Danish in
> this century.

Oh?

> Aa (an 'a' with a small circle above) was introduced in the 15'th century
> and has been a separate letter since then. I think it started off as a
> double 'a' where the second letter eventually shrunk was placed on top off
> the first one. The little circle is never used on any other letter, and has
> no special name (except the obvious "ring" or "cirkel" (circle)); it's simply
> part of the whole letter.
> The letter was introduced in a spelling reform in Norwegian in 1917 and in 
> Danish in 1948, to replace the old 'aa' (according to "Bra B|ckers Lexikon").

Hmm. I thought the Norwegian 'aa' sound came from the 'ao' diphthong.
Still used in Icelandic and in some western Norwegian dialects.

> O" (an 'O' with two dots, often transcribed as 'oe') also started
> off as two letters, the same way as 'ae', and appeared about the
> same time.  You also find it in German, Finnish, Hungarian and
> Turkish.  In Norwegian and Danish they write it with a slash (/)
> across the 'o'.

In Norwegian it is also used where an 'au' diphthong used to be (and
still is sometimes in Nynorsk and in dialects).

o" is sometimes used when o/ is not available (maps etc.). When I was
taught handwriting we wrote `lowercase' oe as an o with a single
accent o'

> Aa: If it's long it's similar to the vowel in English 'saw'.
>     If it's short it's like in Eng. 'long'. ;-)

Similar to the Spanish 'o' sound

> A": Long: I give up on this one. Someone suggested something like in
>           French 'chaise'. (I don't speak French so I wouldn't know.)

Like in "bad"

>     Short: Something like Eng. 'carry' maybe?

> O": Long: Something like in Eng. "bird".
>     Short: Don't know. Try pronouncing "bird" with a very short vowel if
>            you can... ;)

How about "but"

- Steinar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: se_haux@rcvie.co.at (Michael Haux)
Subject: Interest rates
Reply-To: se_haux@rcvie.co.at
Organization: Alcatel ELIN Research
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:50:51 GMT


Hi!

I just received brief information from Sweden on much higher interest rates 
from the swedish national bank. Could anyone provide me with more information, 
analysis, etc. on this?

Thanks, 
Michael

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From: astbc@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: car companies
Date: 13 Sep 92 07:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

Hello

I would like to know about the car companies that are held partialy or
completly by the governemt.

M. le K.
astbc@acad2.alaska.edu
University of Alaska, Anchorage.

PS: If you could send me your answer by reply insteed of Followup.
I would appritiate that a lot.
Thanks.
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From: andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:59:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.180057.8132@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at>, tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:
>   Yes, it is good to remark, that there are (at least) two sorts of those
> things you can write above the letter. Generally, many ppl call all of them
> accents, but there is a difference btw. an accent and a diacritical sign -
> the latter changes the meaning of the letter below itself

It's my impression that the terminology is thoroughly confused and
confusing (especially if you take into account translations of the
terminology to and from other languages).  I prefer to think of
these things from either a phonetic or a typographic perspective.

A 'phonetic accent' is to me a stress, tone change or similar thing,
while I think a 'typographic accent' is that tiny stroke which is
either 'acute' (SW-NE) or 'grave' (SE-NW).  These particular
diacritic symbols may be used for different things; in Hungarian
the (typographic) acute accent indicates a (phonetically) long
vowel, while in Swedish phonetic notation it indicates a rising
pitch, but in many languages it normally indicates plain stress...

Lacking a better word, I talk about 'typographic diacritics' to
refer to all these add-on marks which don't constitute letter-
independent graphemes (I don't call the apostrophe a 'diacritic',
and neither do I include ligatures here), whether the resulting
letters have their own positions in a particular alphabet or not.
As for 'phonetic diacritic', I haven't quite decided what I think
it is yet... :-)

To me, an 'e with umlaut' is a severe betrayal of reality!

I don't know whether my choice of terminology has any support by
linguistic scholars.  If they can provide something which is more
accepted in their discipline and at least as useful, I'd like to
hear about it.
--
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Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170   EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
From: pem@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per-Erik Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:45:34 GMT
	<1992Sep8.105658.10460@eua.ericsson.se>
Organization: Student

In article <1992Sep8.105658.10460@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:

>pem@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per-Erik Martin) writes:

>>A": Long: I give up on this one. Someone suggested something like in
>>          French 'chaise'. (I don't speak French so I wouldn't know.)
>>    Short: Something like Eng. 'carry' maybe?

>>O": Long: Something like in Eng. "bird".
>>    Short: Don't know. Try pronouncing "bird" with a very short vowel if
>>           you can... ;)

>Actually, these two have two distinct pronounciations each, one before "r"
>and one otherwise (i.e. in the Stockholm dialect, some other dialects have
>chosen one of them for all cases). A"[r] is like american bad, but A"[^r]
>is like french fraise. O"[r] is like french e, but O"[^r] is...
>different?

Yes, I'm aware of the different pronounciations before 'r' and otherwise
but I decided to ignore that, since it was hard enough as it was... :-)

(And in my previous posting I also ignored any possible typographical
 terminology for the parts of 'Aa' or any other letter, since I know
 absolutely nothing  about it. They have all kinds of funny names for
 things, but they're not common knowledge anyway.)

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From: evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Tyr,Odin,Thor,Frey?
Date: 5 Sep 92 06:32:24 GMT

>d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>  Well, my theory was put together from two pieces of information: The first
>is that there *has* been jokers with horned helmets running around up here,
>but during the bronze age, not during the viking age.
>  The second is the preponderance of jokers with horns on their heads running
>around in celtic mythology and art.
>  This led me to theorize that the religion around here during the bronze 
>age had been somewhat close to celtic, and since it wasn't celtic during
>the viking age, somebody had to have invented a new religion (Asatro) to
>replace the old one except for some still lingering traces like the Vanir and
>the statuette of Tor(?) wearing a horned helmet that was found in Birka(?).
>
>-bertil-
                ,   ,
I refer you to Havamal 27 of the *Poetic Edda* (Chisholm translation)

                 When the fool fares among folk
                    it is best he stay quiet.
               No one knows that he knows nothing
                    unless he talks too much.

Please, read before posting any more nonsense on this topic,

*Myths and Symbols in Pagan Europe*
H.R. Ellis Davidson
Syracuse University Press
1988

If you keep this up, you will probably start writing for Llewellyn  8)

Be Sprinkled With Blood,
Thorfinn Einarsson

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 he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, 
 the abyss looks into you."  --- Nietzsche
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Keywords: Norwegian Alphabet
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:37:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.212531.20675@odin.diku.dk> zaphod@diku.dk (Ole D. M. Lennert) writes:
>No no no. It's "bolle" - at least, that's what my old school teacher
>told me. A "bolle" is a round cake. The thing over {\aa} is also
>round. 

Bolle? As in "bolle" - the verb? Is that why it's called "bolle-}"?


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From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: Old Baltic or Finnish MOVIE?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:59:23 GMT

evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura) writes:

>Subject: One Lapp to the Finnish line...

>     Heilsa all Finns, Lapps, Balts, and other folk of similar elk!
> 
>    The best book to start out with is Juha Y. Pentaka"inen's *Kalevala
>Mythology* (tr. & ed. by Ritva Poom). This is not only really excellent, but in
>English and in print, distinctions it shares with very few other books in this

"Kalevala"?  So...that was a Finnish film!

Years ago, I saw a very badly edited-for-TV version of (I believe) a
Finnish folk-tale/saga, about Lenninkeinen (spelling?) journeying to
the lair of Loki, and freeing the Wind-gods, and lots of other fantastic
feats.  The TV host (it was being presented on a shlocky science-fiction
program) kept editing himself into the film, and talking back to the
characters - which _were_ on the melodramatic side.  But the imagination
of the movie was quite remarkable.  And the music - what I could hear
of it - was really charming (especially a village dance scene).

I think it was called "The Day the Earth Froze" (not to be confused
with "The Day the Earth Stood Still").

Does anyone know if it's still available, on VHS tape (in NTSC format)?
With the original music?  (And English subtitles would be perfect!)

I'll trade a VHS (NTSC) copy of _my_ movies for it!  

(I'm also looking for a VHS copy of "The Sword and the Dragon" - a
Russian sword & sorcery epic based on the legends of Ilya Murometz
[transformed by Slavic settlers into the "US" hero, Paul Bunyan] -
also in the original Russian, with the original music!  All help
greatly appreciated!!)

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From: hallvard@immhp3.marina.unit.no (Hallvard the horrible Paulsen)
Subject: Re: Accents/Dialect in Tromsoe
Reply-To: hallvard@immhp3.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
Organization: Division of Marine Engineering
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 07:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.215526.20856@nas.nasa.gov>, mkoblas@sun422.nas.nasa.gov (Michelle R. Koblas) writes:
Michelle,
|> What can anyone tell me about the accents in Tromsoe?  I've lived in 
|> Norway (Bergen) and have begun corresponding with some folks in Tromsoe
|> (currently in English and via e-mail), but I'm curious how well my 
|> Norwegian will stand up getting involved in actual conversations.  I know
|> that some areas (like Trondheim) have pretty strong accents/dialects.
|> 
|> What can folks tell me about Tromsoe? 
|> 
|> Thanks!
|> 

	I'm sorry to say: It's the people in Bergen who has the
strongest accent of any of the above mentioned cities! ;-)

	Hallvard (the horrible) Paulsen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Organization: You must be kidding!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:14:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.224708.15259@nntp.hut.fi> of soc.culture.nordic,
  ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:
> >the bottom bar you add to an F to make it an E, there is nothing you
> >add to an F to make an E; there are just two characters that look quite
> >similar, neither was derived from the other....
> 
> IMNSHO, BS.
> ] (Aa, \AA) was originally (in Danish, until 1948)) two a's, which, to show
> the changed pronunciation (long oh) was replaced with an a with an o above
> it. So, } was indeed derived of a.

Well... I also believe F was derived from E.  It is not anymore.  The
letter A-ring in Swedish, Norwegian and occationally in Danish is a
separate letter, not considered a composition, but so is N-tilde in
Spanish.  I think the names already used in ISO 8859-1, ISO 10646 and
Unicode seems to be the best:

	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE
	LATIN LOWER CASE LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE

In Swedish we just call it "ring" (the word means the same thing as the
English word with the same spelling).

	/hpa
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From: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Subject: Re: Koerakoonlased/Koirankuonolaiset
Summary: who, me?
Keywords: Citizens! Rome is your friend!
Reply-To: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:11:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.140837.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>> Moreover, in his chronicle about northern peoples Adam of Bremen 
>> refers to the Finns themselves as "cynocephali", a curious 
>> mixture of dogs and men, the language of which resembles of 
>> dogs' barking.
>> 
>> The initial question was: has somebody ever heard about
>> "koirankuonolaiset" (est. koerakuonolased, lat. cynocephali).
>> I can gladly respond: I confront them every day all around
>> Helsinki, it's a "ruff!" place!

I resemble that remark!

SF Ch Ben-Hur aka "Buffa"
c/o tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman)
Subject: Re: Norwegian Alphabet
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:57:57 GMT

John@boole.uucp (John Ahlstrom) writes:
: 
: More recently a woman of Norwegian ancestry that works with my wife asked
: two visitors from Norway, a father and his sun.  They got into quite a
: fight, one saying "prikke" the other "ringe".
: 
: After 15 years, can anyone help us?
I have never heard of a name for that ring. I'd call it "ring" (swedish for
ring). I'm sure someone will look it up and tell us.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: Interest rates
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:15:13

>>>>> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:

> The numbers about the new interest rates in Sweden were quoted
> as 75% by CNN, this sounds astronomical?

That's what they said on Norwegian Teletext as well. I wasn't able to
figure this out...

> May we live in interesting times.

... *Not*!!!

- Steinar
From: tony@iti.org (Anthony Skjellum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Lost friend in Copenhagen
Summary: Help find friend (using Copenhagen phonebook()
Keywords: lost friend, Henrik W. Andersen, Copenhagen
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:11:53 GMT
Reply-To: tony@helios.llnl.gov

Hi to anyone in Denmark who can look up in the Copenhagen phonebook.
We have lost touch with our friend, Henrik Weisberg Andersen, who
is a chemical engineer, and used to be at Lyngby University.

If you can find his phone number/address, please send to 
		Tony Skjellum, tony@helios.llnl.gov

Thank you,
- Tony


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