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From: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: "remain clear of the
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 

RN> .> Certainly an ARSA is among those areas "in which air traffic control is
  > .> exercised" (I think this is synonymous with "controlled airspace"), and
  > .> "remain clear of the ARSA" certainly would constitute an instruction.

But the argument is that you're outside the ARSA when receiving this
instruction.  If you're in uncontrolled airspace, is it a legal
instruction?  (LEGAL...  We're not arguing sensible, appropriate, etc.)

RN> .  ATA's are not controlled airspace (yet).

But they're not uncontrolled, either!  (yet).

        D/


 * OLX 2.2 * Dick.Zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com
                                               
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: brent@greatcircle.com (Brent Chapman)
Subject: Fun things to do near airports in Oregon, Washington, and BC?
Originator: brent@napa
Organization: Great Circle Associates; Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:17:38 GMT

Elizabeth and I have a 172 reserved for a week in mid August.  We're
planning on flying from Palo Alto up to Portland, Olympia, Seattle, and
Vancouver, then back, with whatever other interesting stops along the way
strike our fancy.

Anybody have any suggestions for things to do and places to go in that
general area?  Preferably near the airport; we'll probably rent cars in
Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver, but probably not elsewhere. 

Any suggestions on places to stay or avoid?

At Seattle, I had planned on flying into Boeing Field.  Is there any kind
of Boeing museum or exhibit or anything like that there?  Any suggestions
on which airport to use in the other metro areas?


Thanks!

-Brent
--
Brent Chapman                                   Great Circle Associates
Brent@GreatCircle.COM                           1057 West Dana Street
+1 415 962 0841                                 Mountain View, CA  94041
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: pdb1@ra.msstate.edu (Philip D Bridges)
Subject: Re: Wave from wind sheer?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:15:10 GMT

ludeman@astroatc.UUCP (Weekend Pilot) writes:

>In article <1992Jul29.103247.19079@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> kaye@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Kaye Stott) writes:
>>
>>Has anyone else experienced such unexpected [flatland] wave?
 I have also experienced low-level waves flying in Mississippi. First
noticed it 10 years ago doing flight test with a T-34 on a NASA
contract. We had instrumented the aircraft to be able to maintain
altitude to plus or minus 2 feet. On certain days we would maintain
altitude but the airspeed would vary 10 knots either side of cruise.
It was apparent that we were flying in waves. This would occur in
very smooth flight conditions, and often the waves could be seen
at the top of the haze layer (common in the summer in Miss.). On one
occasion we could also see small lenticular clouds. This also happened
a few months ago when flying a UH-1 in the National Guard. Small
lenticular clouds were at about 7-8000 feet in smooth air. We were
at 5000 and getting airspeed changes with constant power and constant
altitude. It is not clear if this is due to orographic conditons (not
many hills in Mississippi) or if it is due to wind shear at different
levels. It is, however, an interesting phenomena and one that has not,
to my knowledge, been investigated.

 

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From: olsen@xn.ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: In-flight radar from ground stations?
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:00:09 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA

demcma@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>At the risk of exposing my total ignorance ...  I'd like to inquire
>as to the technical/practible feasibility of data transmission of
>ground-based weather radar ...  for in-flight reception and
>presentation, perhaps even in real-time ...  it would seem possible
>to relay the signals via sattelite.

It's not ignorant at all.  Such weather data transmission is one of the
roles envisioned for the Mode-S transponder data link.  Of course,
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Mode-S: it's the radar system
of the future, and destined to remain so for some time.

However, what is proceeding very quickly is the development if
'little LEO (low earth orbit)' data communications networks.  Perhaps
by 1994, there will be one or more 'little LEO' networks operating,
providing worldwide data link capability to a user receiver about the
size of a paperback book.

['Little LEO' will only provide enough bandwidth for data
transmission.  'Big LEO', such as Motorola's Iridium project, will
provide enough bandwidth for telephone service, but it won't be ready
until the end of the decade.]

It's quite possible that dissemination of weather information, such as
radar charts, will be one of the early uses of the satellite data
networks.  This is made more likely by the fact that it could be done
by a private company (such as Weatherfax, for example) not burdened by
government bureaucracy.

The satellite revolution is coming, sooner than you might think.
From: mark@hpcvxmsr.cv.hp.com (Mark Rowe)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Product Liability (was Re: Active noise-canceling headsets)
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:34:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Jul24.183452.20437
Reply-To: mark@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: UDT-CV (ITO)

In article <BrwL88.GqD@taligent.com>, cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.144312.19977@cbnews.cb.att.com> tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) writes:
>> ...                     What if we formed a users group and filed a
>> class action law suit against this idiot for damaging  our ability to fly.
>> I can argue that this suit is as damaging to my ability to obtain
>> reasonibly priced aircraft as they can show head sets are to blame.
>> All we need to do is to show the high percentage of cost attributable
>> to liability insurance.
> 
> Uh, huh.  And the next time I get injured by a genuinely defective
> product, or by serious negligence, I get sued by the employees of the
> company or the children of the negligent person for increasing the risk
> of them losing their jobs, or of their parent being unable to support
> them.

If the liability resulted from a genuinely defective product then I don't
see what your problem is.  But even if you were only 20% responsible for
the incident, then if the resulting lawsuit contributes to increased costs
for my aircraft or headset or whatever, then you are 20% responsible for
for whatever that contribution to increased costs is.  I am not saying
that Tom's idea can be implemented in practice, nor am I making any
comment regarding its legal merits.  But I do like the idea, and as ideas
go its among the better ones.

>...  I think not.

I think so.

Mark Rowe             email: mark@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Hewlett Packard       voice: (503) 750-3246
Corvallis, OR         FAX:   (503) 750-3788
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: good charts - was  Re: Ramp checks--unreasonable search
Keywords: Charts, Ramp Checks. 
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:19:11 GMT

You can also order chart and A/FD subscriptions directly from NOS.
There is no additional cost (not even for shipping).  VFR chart
subscriptions are for two years, A/FD and other subscriptions are
for one year.  Using NOS directly, you get the chart the same day
Sporty's does :-)

To inquire about new subscriptions, call NOS at 301-436-6993.
Their address is:

National Ocean Service
NOAA, N/CG33
Distribution Branch
Riverdale, MN 20737

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: elmore@virga.ucar.edu (Kim Elmore)
Subject: Re: emergency AD 92-15-16 Any one else?
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:31:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.190902.2000@cfctech.cfc.com> joel@cfctech.cfc.com (Joel Lessenberry) writes:
>
>	I just received Emergency AD 92-15-16 in the mail which
>states that I cannot fly my plane until I examine the carb 
>float and prove that it was not manufactured in 10/91.
>
>	Since my plane is 15 years old, and since I have owned 
>it since 10/91, and since I know that no work has been done on
>the carb.... can I simply state so in the log???
>
>	Or do I have to hire a mechanic to look at the thing?
>
>		joel	

	My understanding is that only a mechanic can sign off the AD.
In your case (and mine, too) it would simply be "complied with by
inspection".  If we can show that, indeed, no one has been in the carb
since 11/91, then we cannot have the defective floats.  I was also
told there is no need for an AI to do this, either.  A good, old (or
young :-) regular A&P will do just fine and, in our case, won't even
need to remove the cowling.  Paperwork!

					Kim Elmore
					N5OP, PP ASEL/Glider 2232456
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From: rod@isgtec.com (Rod Gilchrist)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Earth Inductor Compass
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:24:05 GMT

lee@bluefuzz.sw.stratus.com (Lee Cooprider) writes:

> So, I can figure out that a rotating coil in a magnetic field would generate a
> current.  But how does a rotating coil tell you the alignment of the magnetic
> field it is rotating in?

The coil would generate a voltage proportional to the speed at which its
conductors were crossing magnetic 'lines of force'. The output would be a
sine wave. The peak positive and negative values would come when the plane
of the coil passed through north/south (north and south would be opposite
polarities).

This is really a generator making use of the earth's field.

petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (HOWARD PETRI) writes:

>      So, it would appear that the earth inductor compass is some sort
> of spinning coil and a precursor to our modern gyro heading indicators.
> It clearly needs a source of electrical power to operate. 

Actually, (thought exercise here,) it could be venturi powered.

If there was a second coil on the same shaft, and a set of permanent
magnets arranged in housing of the second coil, you could (with sufficient
mechanical fiddling) get two sine waves; one related to direction of
the earth's magnetic field and the other related to the orientation of
the coil in the housing. Measuring the phase difference could be done
with an unpowered meter and a diode. That would give you a direct reading
of 'deviation from north' without giving you a sign. You could use the
same trick (e.g. third coil) to get a 'deviation from east' and thus
establish a magnetic heading.

Why its Tom Swift and his vacuum powered earth inductor compass!

(Of course, it would probably make more sense to use the second signal
just to provide power and sensing for a single chip micro, but ...)
--
Rod Gilchrist				Phone: (416) 672-2100
ISG Technologies			Fax:   (416) 672-2307
3030 Orlando Drive			Net:   rod@isgtec.com
Mississagua, Ontario, Canada, L4V-1S8
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: amazon@annexia.esd.sgi.com (Stormwind)
Subject: Suit filed against Bell Helicopter
Organization: X Industries, Heavy Weapons R&D
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:37:44 GMT

we get clarinews at my site.  while the clarinews
policy forbids me to repost the article verbatim,
i can sum it up for rec.aviation.

remember that helicopter crash that killed stevie
ray vaughn a few years back (this not one week after
i had though, "gee, i should go see him the next time
he plays here before he gets old and dies")?  well, his
estate is suing the pilot, the people providing the 
helicopter, and the makers of the helicopter (Bell 
Helicopter Textron, General Motors, Allied-Signal).
they claim the helicopter makers made a "defective
craft".

now NOTE that the prosecutor's attorney specifically
mentioned that although things indicated it was the *pilot's*
fault, and even though they had no indication of 
manufacturing defects, they're suing the manufacturers
*anyways*.  they're claiming at this time that if they
don't find that the manufacturers did anything wrong, they'll
dismiss the suit against them.

my head whirls.  so they're going to sue the pilot,
who just happens to be *dead*, and they're going
to sue the manufacturer of the helicopter just
because.  why don't they sue the audience for 
not making stevie play longer and thus not take
off at all?  better yet, why not sue the whole state 
of wisconsin for wanting the concert in the first
place?

gee.  i wonder if i can sue the american bar
association for turning out sue-happy lawyers.

				stormwind

				hell's amazon
From: seymour@milton.u.washington.edu (Richard Seymour)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Audio annunciators (Was: Active noise-canceling headsets)
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:12:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul24.130309.23018@ee.rochester.edu> dela@ee.rochester.edu (Del Armstrong) writes:
>In article <70401@apple.Apple.COM>, rcm@Apple.COM (Robert Charles Monsen) writes:
>|>The idea was to build an annunciator panel that fed audio annunciations
>|>into your intercom, along with having a bank of flashing lights and toggles
>|>to turn em off. The audio annunciations would be digitized voice, preferably

...these -are- commercially available (and have been for years)(a bit pricey)

>I've always preferred the idea of using my 3 year old daughter's voice.
> "Daddy, why are we landing with the gear up?"

...and yes, indeed, the air force (Advanced Cockpit Project) has determined 
that THIS sort of verbal message REALLY cuts through the clutter and gets a 
 pilot's attention  (the example i heard was "Daddy, your engine's on fire...")
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: elamjd@sandr.com (Dan Elam)
Subject: Re: QANTAS - U.S. Aircraft Carrier warnings.
Organization: Imaging Consultant, Washington/Virginia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:22:57 GMT

In article <14f8ueINNavu@hpsdl136.sdd.hp.com> craigb@sdd.hp.com (Craig Bosworth) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.142409.16259@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> wolit@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Jan Wolitzky) writes:
>[...]
>
>Ahem.  *Our* F-14s *do* carry Phoenix, Sparrow, and Sidewinder air-to-air
>missiles.  Which says very little about what Iranian F-14s carry, doesn't
>it?
>-- 
>Craig Bosworth  (619) 592-8609
>Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
>craigb@sdd.hp.com




In fact, all of the personnel in the gulf at the time *including Rogers*
were briefed on the fact that the Iranian aircraft were not equipped
for anything except older Sidewinders (AIM - 9L)
From: ellen@hpcvxemm.cv.hp.com (Ellen M. McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Olympics on TV
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:04:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Jul23.170445.8794
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

According the the US News and World Report, day 2 of the 3-day equestrian
events will be shown on Wednesday, July 29, 7:30-12PM EDT.  I don't know if
that means they'll devote the whole time to it, or if it will be just one of
the things they will show.  That's the regular channel, not the special cable
ones.

Ellen
From: julienne@darwin.helios.nd.edu (Julienne Bollerud)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Info on Eventing/Dressage Farms
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:52:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

I am looking for information about Eventing and /or 
Dressage Barns on the East Coast. I have a friend 
that is looking  for information on the different
barns on the East Coast.  Names of  farms, contacts, phone 
numbers would all be helpful.  She wants to know what 
type of work is available at these farms.  She told me that 
she is not interested in saddle seat, racing and western.
I know that she graduated from Univ of New Hampshire in 
an Equestrian related major.  She has been working at a
YMCA Camp and Conference Center for over a year.  I'm not sure 
of her title  but I know she is responsible for all equestrian
activities.  She does hiring, marketing, purchases horses, 
runs the camp sessions, cares for the health of the horses,
and teaches the advaned Horesemanship Program.  Please send any 
information you might have about Eventing/Dressage Barns or 
names of other people to which she could talk about working
at an Eventing/Dressage Barn to me. 
                        julienne.a.bollerud.1@nd.edu

"What do we, as a nation, care about books? How much do you think
we spend altogether on our libraries, public or private, as compared
with what we spend on our horses?" 
                          John Ruskin (1819-1900)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meyer@uuisis.isis.org (Katherine Meyer)
Subject: re riding without a guide
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:12:38 GMT

I also would like to point out that NOT all riders who want to rent a horse
are out to abuse the horses.  I had my own horses for a number of years but
I was forced to sell because of time constraints, University committments
and various other things that forced me to sell my last horse.  I had
planned to keep him for his whole life, but I just couldn't justify keeping
my nice friendly Thoroughbred cooped up (he was only 10 or 11 when I sold
him).  He had the run of the pasture and paddock area but he really loved to
be worked and out on the trail.  So I sold him.

However, I would occassionally like to be able to rent a horse for a nice
trail ride - I wouldn;t even mind some other riders along- where I could go
for a nice scenic ride.  Have the occassional canter but not run the s***
out of the horse.

I do know that there are a lot of people who are just out to run the s***
out of the horse.  But I have seen that happen *a lot* on supervised trail
rides too.  Sometimes the incident was instigated by the trail guide.

So,  I think (IMHO) that what should be required in circumstances where a
rider wants to ride alone should be 1) references from a reliable source
with regard to the client's horsemanship/reliability; 2) have them ride
alone but in an area where guides/boarders would be able to observe any
untoward behaviour on the trail.  Outline to the client what is and is not
allowed.  A breach results in lose of unsupervised riding priviledges.  If
the rider becomes a repeat customer, priviledges could be expanded as the 
rider demonstrates a capability to have added responibility.

THIS IS NOT A FLAME.  Just my ideas on this topic.

Katherine
meyer@uusis.isis.org
From: jdietz@natinst.com (Jennifer Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Re :Experienced?  Maybe.
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:30:51 GMT
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX

In article <1992Jul29.144346.18029@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills) writes:
>
>Beware the person who claims to be experienced because they've been
>riding for X number of years.  Riding is rather like getting a PHd.
>It isn't how long you've spent on the research, but do you know what
>to do with the knowledge once you've got it.
>
>Christine Mills

Amen!  I used to belong to a club that would take individuals/parties
out for trail rides.  They could be some interesting rides.  We had
a lot of scenery and a few _Man from Snowy River_ type hills.  There
was *always* someone who said they could ride and couldn't.  The worst
one was for one of the frat parties.  There were enough kids that
we had to break out some of the 'needs a good rider' horses.  Actually,
only one, Naches.  Anyway, we asked the group who was one of the
more experienced riders.  This one girl steps forward and says how
she's worked/riden at a ranch for the last xxx years and she's good.
From the minute she was on Naches we knew otherwise.  Naches wasn't
a hard horse to control, but did have a lot of energy.  The second
Naches even tried to walk, the girl became paranoid.  (Didn't say
anything, but body language was obvious!).  The first hill we
came to was one that the horses generally had to run up.  We stopped
at the bottom and gave them all instruction, lean forward, grab mane,
give the horse room to move its head, etc.  Well, this girl came up
right behind me, i turn around to see how she's doing and this
"experienced" rider yanks back on the reins half way up the hill.
I could just see poor Naches being flipped over....  We were lucky,
nothing really happened (except I chewed the "experienced" rider out),
but we could have had a serious injury to the horse.  I suppose to
the girl too, but I would've been more worried about the horse :-) !

-jennifer dietz
jdietz@natinst.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (James M. Simpson)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Keywords: Riding without a guide
    <1992Jul21.131244.4844@cbfsb.cb.att.com> 
    <1992Jul28.001555.11202@athena.mit.edu> <13636@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> 
    <1992Jul29.120639.20313@encore.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:31:43 GMT

In defense of rental establishments: much of their policies are based on
insurance requirements. People can get hurt falling off of horses. And, in
our society today, if you get hurt,  you sue somebody, even if it's your own
damn fault. It would be insane for any rental stable not to have insurance.
And insurance companies usually require trail guides. I know someone who 
ran a rental stable, and her insurance required two guides with every ride.
Also, they deal with a wide range of people, from good riders to stupid but
well-meaning to stupid and obnoxious. They have to gear the rides to the  
lowest denominator. And they have to make sure that the horses stay foolproof.
Once, on a guided ride, we came to a small ditch, which the horses proceeded
to walk through. I held mine back a little, to get some space between me and
the one in front. Since I had requested an English saddle (they didn't have
any), the guide had a pretty good idea what I had in mind. He yelled back 
from the front of the line "Don't jump that horse over that ditch!" Everybody
else wondered how he read my mind. He later apologized, and explained that
if I jumped the ditch, the horse might think it was fun, and try it with the
next person who rode him, who might not be good enough to keep him from jumping
or to stay on if he did.
I heard a story about one rental stable which required hard hats. One group 
of customers refused to wear them, and the stable let them ride anyway.
Sure enough, one got hurt, and sued. Part of their claim was that the stable
should have *made* them wear hard hats.
It would be great if every rental stable had a range of horses ranging from
does-nothing-but-walk to dynamite-on-four-legs, and had a magic skill-meter
they could plug into people to match them to the right horse. Instead, 
they're stuck with assuming everybody is an idiot, because they've all seen
the idiots pretending to be experts, and it's tough to separate them from the
really good riders before it's too late.
One good start on attacking this problem would be declare open season on
lawyers.