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From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Subject: Installing Windows NT on a Dell 486P/33
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 18:01:27 GMT

We're having fun and games at the moment trying to get Windows NT up and
running on a Dell 486P/33.  The machine just crashes whenever we try to boot
it.

Has anyone succeeded in getting it to work?  Any suggestion will be more than
welcome.
-- 
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Mail:	Wavendon Tower, Wavendon, Milton Keynes, MK17 8LX, England
E-mail: kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk
Phone:	+44 908 284198 or +44 908 585858 ext 4198
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: gregde@microsoft.com (Greg Demichillie)
Subject: Re: Has Microsoft abandoned us?
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:21:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug20.140202.18388@src.honeywell.com> dicks@cfsmo.honeywell.com writes:
>Couldn't help but notice the silence of Microsoft people recently.
>Alistair (who was posting daily) hasn't been seen since August 11
>and the latest post by anyone there was August 14.
>
>Possible reasons:
>  - Alistair is on vacation?
>  - Alistair got bored answering the same questions repeatedly?
>  - Alistair is heavily involved in the weeklong sales meeting?
>  - After some of the Microsoft guys got into arguments with
>    customers here, they were all told to get lost?
>  - Microsoft has adopted an absolute 'no usenet support' policy?

A couple of comments:

As far as I know, there isn't anybody at MS whose job description
includes regularly reading Internet and responding.  You may argue
that there should be (and I imagine such debates are going on) but
as it stands now, EVERYONE who post on internet does so on their
own time.  So, when things get into crunch mode, the first thing
that goes is keeping up on the net.

Secondly, (and I hope this doesn't sound like a lame excuse because
it's true) we tend to suffer occasional delays in our internet feed.
Usually it is along the lines of incoming articles being recieved
10 or more days after they are posted.  It doesn't happen often, but
when it does it's a major pain.  And then when the things return to
normal it does so with a *flood* of messages. 
 

I hope I haven't discouraged you from posting, and I wish I had time
to keep up with all the groups I think are interesting.  

-Greg

-- 
Greg DeMichillie          
gregde@microsoft.com      -- All opinions are mine, not Microsoft's --
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:11:16 +0200
From: Norbert_Unterberg@softstream.fido.de (Norbert Unterberg)
Subject: Re: NT hang?
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
X-Comment-To: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion)
Organization: Norbert_Unterberg@softstream.fido.de 


r > I had a problem logging off NT today. I went to the Program Mgr and
r > selected Logoff. On the dialog I clicked on Shut Down and hit OK. A lot
r > of icons dissappeared, but one MSDOS prompt window stayed and then the
r > logoff dialog went blank. Nothing happened.
[deleted...]

My experience is that NT runs rather stable as long as you do not start the 
windows or msdos subsystem. As soon as you execute a 16 bit dos or windows 
application, NT becomes unstable, runs out of memory etc.

It's just what microsoft said. This NT release is ONLY a development platform 
for 32 bit applications. Neither the DOS nor the Windows subsystem is finished 
or fully testet.

Wait for the first "real" beta...

Norbert
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: msdos1@nic.funet.fi (Petri Hartoma)
Subject: Re: NT install hangs - what's wrong?
Organization: Finnish University Network Information Centre, Finland
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:28:33

In article <joiner.713929114@myria> joiner@myria.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner) writes:
 > Could it be the 8 Meg RAM?  Maybe the native setup checks for at
 > least 12 Meg.  

No, I guess not. I have only 8 MB still in this machine and I have
installed NT twice after the first installation. Shouldn't those SCSI
settings be 1 and 2 for the disks and 3 for the CD-ROM?

&& Petri

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From: shah@eies2.njit.edu (Sanjeev Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Missing WIN32 SDK CD-ROMs?
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:43:11 GMT
Reply-To: shah@eies2.njit.edu (Sanjeev Shah)
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Inst. Of Tech.


I recently purchased WIN32 SDK for NT with documentation.
With it I received ONE CD-ROM (Preliminary Version July 92)
and two boot diskettes (3.5" and 5.25").

However I keep reading reviews in PC-WEEK where the reviewers
talk about THREE (3) CD-ROMs worth 1.6 Gbytes.  What am I
missing here?

I also read about Windows in 17 language versions as part of
the release but have not been able to locate it on my CD-ROM.

--
Sanjeev Shah  shah@eies2.njit.edu
From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT Time Server
Summary: Will NT provide a LAN-wide time source?
Keywords: NT, TIME
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:06:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division


Just a quick question, will NT have a universal time source built in?
In other words, is it possible for me to specify a server as being the time
piece for the network and have all clients sync up to this clock?  I know that
there are some *nix apps that do this but has Microsoft given any thought to
this?
From: fkam@sodium.Sun.COM (Francis Kam - Asia CS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: win32 on Panasonic CR-501S CDROM drive
Keywords: CDROM
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:53:15 GMT
Followup-To: fkam@asia.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sodium.asia.sun.com

Can NT SDK work with Panasonic CR-501S (SCSI External) CDROM drive
with Adaptec 1542B?

How about installing using this CDROM drive?


Any info is appreciated.

-- Francis Kam


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Francis Kam
SUN Microsystems (Asia)         *Disclaimer: opinion is of my own, not my
Customer Service                             employer.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: NT hang?
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:15:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug19.005634.8357@pony.Ingres.COM> rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
>In article <1935237a@p4.f36.n245.z2.fidonet.org> Norbert_Unterberg@softstream.fido.de (Norbert Unterberg) writes:
>>
>>My experience is that NT runs rather stable as long as you do not start the 
>>windows or msdos subsystem. As soon as you execute a 16 bit dos or windows 
>>application, NT becomes unstable, runs out of memory etc.
>>
>
>How are we supposed to run the development tools without opening a window?
>This thing that says "MS-DOS prompt" actually runs 'cmd.exe'. I'm still
>not sure if this is a true DOS window or just capable of executing DOS
>apps, but I know I have to open it to use the debuggers and compiler.
>When you say its stable if you do not run the windows subsystem, I sure
>hope you mean the Win 3.1 subsystem!

Running the command prompt wont excercise the "WOW" or "virtual dos" code, since its a pure WIn32 app, written to the console APIs, but once you start a win16 or ms-dos app, then those unfinished pieces are called in -- Alistair
From: lothar@cyrcle.uucp (Bob Trembley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Com Port Problem after NT install using DOS2NT
Summary: Mouse not working properly, possible Registry problem
Keywords: DOS2NT Com Port Serial Mouse
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:36:24 EDT
Reply-To: lothar@angus.mi.org
Organization: Cyrcle Systems

I just installed NT and am experiencing a problem with my COM port setup.
Actually, it seems NT thinks I don't have any...  I have a Logitech serial
mouse on com1 (8250) and my modem is on com2 (16650).  Whenever I move the
mouse, the pointer flies around the screen in a seemingly random fashion.
I also can not use my comm program (Telix) in an NT DOS Shell.
BTW: This is all working just fine under Windows 3.1.

I tried to use the Control Panel - Port Setup and was informed that there
was no Registry Device Map for Serialx to COMy.  I can't seem to figure
out how (or where) to set com port parameters using REGEDIT.  Not that
I've had time to print the documentation, or anything :)

Any Suggestions?

--==>>BobT> 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: X sever for NT?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:30:08 GMT

Are there any tentative X server ports floating around?  At least the Xlib
library for stand alone development would be sufficient.

I would like to know about freeware or products in development.

Thanks.

Rob D.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: Hugh.Fisher@anu.edu.au
Subject: NT v Unix (was Questions about NT, Ajay Shah)
Organization: Research School of Chemistry, ANU
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:01:16 GMT


  I can understand why some of the responses to Ajay Shah were
  a little heated: Unix may have been state of the art back in
  the 70's, but since the mid 80's or so PC/Mac development
  systems blow Unix out of the water. Back in 1988 I was doing
  a GUI for a scientific project at the local university on PCs
  and we had source level debuggers, ANSI prototypes, etc.
  Then I started working on Unix systems and got to use dbx:
  like wow, man. OK, some of the best Unix systems around now
  approach (say) THINK Pascal or CodeView for responsiveness
  and ease of use, but they charge far more.

  Microsoft _could_ learn a few tricks from Unix systems, such
  as networked graphics a la X11. Like most people, the NT
  designers probably missed the few such gems buried under
  the anachronistic crud that makes up the typical Unix box.
  Sendmail config files, nroff macros, termcaps, vi, ... if
  NT can kill these off, I'll be cheering all the way.

  Your flames denouncing me as a weenie incapable of using
  (or recognising) a Real Computer System should be sent to
  the e-mail address in the header.
From: gus@plains.NoDak.edu (jim gustafson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Was: (Microsoft NT staff please read)
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:20:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19738

Alexander Tam at Pyramid Technologies writes:

>post ALL the articles, bug report form, Q&A, announcements,etc. you put in
>Compuserve to somewhere on internet. You may either post them to
>comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 or open another news group. Do you 
>understand?

Surely you Pyramid folks can afford a conection to Compuserve???
Presumably, Pyramid Tech would actullay profit by restricting nT
info access to Compuserve, yes?
--jg.
-- 
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North Dakota State University 	Bitnet:	  gus@plains
Fargo, North Dakota 58105	Internet: gus@plains.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino)
Subject: Re: More than 16MB on an ISA system:
Originator: news@pms001
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:17:03 GMT

perkins@gamma1.ltn.dec.com (Eric Perkins) writes:
> A few weeks back I asked a question if Windows-NT would support
> more than 16Mb on an ISA system. It was reported that the 
> necessary code was in NT to support this.
> 
> I am now glad to report that I have a 486-ISA system with 
> 32-MB of memory and NT has no problems working with all of
> it.
> 
> I am still confused as to why the swap file is still so huge!
> 
> On my 16MB system the swap file tends to be in the 30-40Mb range,
> and even on my 32-MB system it is still in that range. I appears
> to me that NT is always allocating and commiting memory to the swap file
> rather than just allocating memory and waiting until it is actually
> used to commit it to the swap file.
> 
> Can someone from Microsoft comment on this?
> 
> -- Thanks, Eric
> -- perkins@tallis.enet.dec.com

This is just a guess, because I've only got indirect evidence on the design,
but many virtual memory systems (where single level store isn't part of
the design) set aside a file to hold evicted pages.  (Why Microsoft calls
it a swap file, and not a paging file, I don't understand.)  The design
usually requires that the necessary space to accept the page be guaranteed
available.  This is most easily done through a permanent, fully allocated
file.  The other aspect is the fact that they usually choose a backup
store with approximately twice the capacity of the installed central
memory.  This is just an estimate of combined working set size and multi-
programming depth characteristics to determine the maximum number of active
pages the system would need to function.  Thus your 32 meg system should
probably have a 60 meg file.  However, NT does support increasing the
size of the swap file while it is running, so there is no need to grow
it just because you added the memory.  I understand there is a minimum
requirement of a 20 megabyte swap file for NT to start up successfully.
So it seems the requirement to have the space guaranteed has been relaxed
once NT becomes operational.

Vince
From: brian%jaguar.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Missing WIN32 SDK CD-ROMs?
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:16:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug20.014311.19020@njitgw.njit.edu> shah@eies2.njit.edu (Sanjeev Shah) writes:
>
>I recently purchased WIN32 SDK for NT with documentation.
>With it I received ONE CD-ROM (Preliminary Version July 92)
>and two boot diskettes (3.5" and 5.25").
>
>However I keep reading reviews in PC-WEEK where the reviewers
>talk about THREE (3) CD-ROMs worth 1.6 Gbytes.  What am I
>missing here?
>
>I also read about Windows in 17 language versions as part of
>the release but have not been able to locate it on my CD-ROM.

If you attended the NT conference, in addition to the SDK CD-ROM, you
got 2 additional ones.  1 contained some extra specs and if you
sign up for the programmer support program announced recently in
comp.os.ms-windows.announce, then you'll get something similar
(I assume, they are not shipping yet, at least I don't have mine yet).

The second extra CD-ROM contained foreign language version of Windows
3.1.  I think you can get that too.  Try calling the same number
you ordered the SDK from, they can probably help you with both
(I know you order the developer support one from there.)

Brian
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Win32s and Windows 3.1
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:50:45 GMT
Keywords: Win32s

jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott) writes:
> I suspect that the big graphics packages like Illustrator, CorelDRAW!, and 
> MicroGrafix Designer will take advantage of the enhanced Win32 GDI as soon 
> as possible. The big apps will probably jump quicker than the smaller apps. 
> For example, apps which want to use a lot of memory will jump so that they 
> can play in a 32-bit address space; some of these might be AutoCAD, Matlab, 
> Mathematica, spreadsheets, and database packages. 

At a conference last week, I was talking to a SoftDesk (previously known as
DCA) rep -- they make AutoCAD add-ons.  I asked him whether some of their
packages would work with the AutoCAD Windows extension, and he said they
wouldn't -- BUT he also said that they would have Windows *NT* versions by
January!  Now, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to write AutoCAD add-ons for
WIndows NT unless you had an NT version of AutoCAD to go with them...  :)

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: chrish@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Chris Hentz)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:54:25 GMT
Subject: Future Domain SCSI Driver?
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

I'm looking for the driver to support the Future Domain TMC-16X0 
series SCSI board.  The "Hardware Compatibility List" that came 
with the NT SDK kit says that it will be posted on CompuServe.
I don't see it there, so thought I would try here for it.  If anyone
has an answer to this, please let me know.

Thanks,
Chris Hentz
Hewlett-Packard
Network Measurements Division
chrish@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: dicks@wez (Richard D. Schlotfeldt)
Subject: Does C/C++ compiler do templates?
Reply-To: dicks@cfsmo.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:44:50 GMT

I just read that the Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 compiler (the one in the
stores) does not implement the Cfront 2.1 specification and therefore
does not fully support templates (but simulates templates using some
preprocessor macro wizardry). But what about the version included
in the NT pre-release?
From: woo@ra-next.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: *.pst files
Keywords: Bad Postscript
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:11:44 GMT
Reply-To: woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center

I recently received the Win32 SDK CD-ROM with the intent of reading
the documentation.  However, the files that I want to read 
are in the win32ovr and win32api documentation directories
and they have the suffix "pst".  I have been unable to 
preview or print this "postscript" file.  How do you look at it?
(I called Microsoft but was put on infinite hold.)

Thanks for your help.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Questions about NT (Ajay Shah's response)
Date: 11 Aug 92 18:40:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <KIM.92Aug8165349@kim.Software.Mitel.COM> kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman) writes:
>After Ajay Shaw's rant against Microsoft ....
>
>In article <1992Aug05.001844.18005@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes:
>
>| The fact that you get Internet access from your .edu site does NOT
>| mean that you know much about what goes on internally at Microsoft,
>| but then again I suppose that your unknowledgeable post pretty much
>| demonstrates that.
>[...]
>| But then again, no doubt that you could put Cutler to shame with
>| your coding prowess.  That would help explain why *your* software is
>| running on so many systems, I guess.
>
>and also ....
>
>In article <1992Aug05.001857.18576@microsoft.com> petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:
>
>| Yeah, and you have increadable[sic] knowledge of OSs. 

      For future reference - you don't need to put [sic] in Pete's
posts.  They're all full of misspellings.


>C'mon guys, rise above it. Are you gonna torch everyone who craps on
>Microsoft without a point? It looks a little strange when the vendor's
>boyz come out with such a vicious counter attack. It was a trivial
>matter to walk all over his article with the facts. The vitriol wasn't
>necessary.

      True, but vitriol is _fun_.  And people here take in way
too much caffeine.  And it does get fairly tiresome hearing the
same things from people who have no clue what they are talking
about.

					-Phil


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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: leefi@microsoft.com (lee fisher)
Subject: Re: Device Drivers
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:32:47 GMT
Organization: microsoft corp., redmond, wa

In article <JONES.92Aug20195428@kira.uvm.edu>, jones@kira.uvm.edu writes:
>
> Anybody know the man page (if one exists) for writing device drivers for 
> NT? I just got my CD this week and am still looking for a system that can 
> handle the beast. ... I want to use a different network card, and wanted 
> to see how much work it was to write a driver for it.

no, the July 1992 PDC disc/docs does not have anything for writing device 
drivers, its targeted for Win32 ISVs. the DDK disc/docs will include
stuff on writing a bunch of different Windows NT device drivers, such
as the NDIS 3.0 MAC drivers for different network cards asked about here..

for more information about Windows NT device drivers, see the recent 
posting in comp.os.ms-windows.announce about the upcoming availabity 
of the Windows NT Device Driver Kit (DDK) and a October 26-28 conference.
__
Lee Fisher, (not a spokesperson for) Microsoft Corp., Redmond, WA, USA
leefi@microsoft.com, {uunet,uw-beaver,sun,sco,decvax}!microsoft!leefi
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: CDROM drives
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:01:35 GMT

I will be searching for a new machine soon, and would like to get 
onto the development program for windows NT.  I would like to know
some specifics about the CDROM requirements for installation.

1) Can you use a non SCSI CD drive to install NT (i.e.-SoundBlaster)
2) is there any reason why you would need to access the CD from 
	within NT, therefore requiring SCSI
3) any word on new SCSI support (adaptec is rather expensive)
4) not that this has anything to do with CD drives, but
	when is the next release of the NT SDK due, and 
	what video drivers will have been added by then?
	are there any additional video (hi-res)drivers 
	available that were not mentioned in the origional list?

Thank you for your help.

Mike G. (gilem@rpi.edu)
From: Norbert_Unterberg@softstream.fido.de (Norbert Unterberg)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: 32 gdi, floats -> coprocessor?
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:32:08 GMT
Organization: Norbert_Unterberg@softstream.fido.de
X-Comment-To: jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott)


jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott) writes:

JM> In article <th+y+7g@rpi.edu>, moncrg@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Gregory Donald
JM> Moncreaff) writes:
JM> |> in Petzold's discussion of the 32bit gdi for
JM> |> windows nt, it is revealed that gdi makes
JM> |> use of floats for such things as bezier
JM> |> curves and transformations
JM> |> (september microsoft journal)
JM> |>
JM> |> does this mean it is time to get a floating
JM> |> point coprocessor (for those of us without
JM> |> 486dx's)?
JM> |>
JM> Probably. I prefer the Cyrix FasMath processor (for those with a 386).

No. Microsoft said on the European Developers Conference that these float 
structures are only used "as an interface" to transfer the floating point 
numbers down to GDI. Inside GDI they use some highly optimized integer 
arithmetics. GDI does not take any advantage of a math coprocessor.

Norbert
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