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From: jjr@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Julie J. Roehre)
Subject: 2nd Ever 47th Annual Madfest in Madison 
Originator: jjr@larry.sal.wisc.edu
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison, WI
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:21:19 GMT


Just a reminder that the Madfest will be happening 
January 16-17 in Madison WI.  Anyone wanting details
on the specifics: cost, accomodations, how to get here,
times, etc. please email me:  jjr@larry.sal.wisc.edu
and I will get back to you about it.  I am posting this for
Axel and Melonhead and don't have the details with me at work
at the moment but will bring it on Monday.  

Julie


Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Neil Matthews <matthews@src.bae.co.uk>
Subject: Circus Space (London, UK)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:00:54 GMT


FYI, just received the Circus Space programme for January, February
*plus* some March events --- the info below is a *very* rough
paraphrasing of the original, so contact Circus Space directly for
definitive details (Tel: 071 700 0868, Fax: 071 700 2094). I presume
early booking is advisable, since most courses have a very limited no.
of places.  

N.b. $'s == pounds sterling, prices in brackets are for members.

January
16	$10		Circus cabaret benefit for Bosnia 
17	$20 ($15)	Physical preparation -- Jeff Davis
18	$30		First Aid -- British Red Cross Soc.
23-24	$30 ($25)	General skills
25-29	$50 ($40)	Aerial awareness -- Jeff Davis
30	$6  ($5)	Circus cabaret
30-31	$16 ($12)	Diabolo -- Brendan Brolly
30-31	$45 ($35)	Effective presentation & eccentric skills
				-- Dave Spathaky

February
6-7	$40 ($30)	Juggling 
				-- Sean Gandini & Kati Yia-Hokkala
6-7, 13-14	$80 ($60)	Clowning -- `Commotion'
13	$6  ($5)	Circus cabaret
13-14	$25 ($25)	Skills of the Peking opera -- Rachel Henson
13-14	$20 ($15)	Club swinging -- Rachel Henson
15-19	$50		Childrens' half-term course
20-21	$50 ($40)	Western skills -- Kenny Brinkman
22-26	$55 ($45)	Juggling
				-- Sean Gandini & Kati Yia-Hokkala
27	$6  ($5)	Circus cabaret
27-28	$50 ($40)	The art of accidents - circus collides with theatre
				-- Kevin Brooking
March
1-4	$45 ($40)	Ballancing, juggling & comedy -- Steve Rawlings
1-5	TBA		Acrobatic ballancing -- `Ijs en Weder'
6-7	$30 ($25)	General skills
13	$6  ($5)	Circus cabaret
8-April 16	$250 ($230)	Six week intensive course
				-- Sarah-Jean Couzens, et. al.
14	$5		Three ball juggling mini-convention

*** I have no links with Circus Space, details for information only ***

Well, I think the 6 week course is out, but maybe I can get along to the
3-ball mini convention. Does anyone have any suggestions for 
impressive 3 ball tricks, aside from Mills Mess?

		Cheers, Neil.

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From: Brendan Brolly <PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: re: Georgian Shuffle
Priority: normal
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:56:53 GMT
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).
Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:56:51 +0000

    Just as a point of information, I made up the name 'Georgian
Shuffle'.
    I was taught the trick in Georgia (ex-USSR) at the international
convention there in Sept 1991 by a jubbler from Brighton (UK) called
Tat. The trick was then used in a Flicktrick book which is where most
people know the name from. As far as I know it has nothing to do with
anyone called George. Just thought you might like to know.

                    Brendan

P.S. I haven't had a go at the 8-club PPS yet as I haven't seen the
people I normally inflict these patterns on.

P.P.S. Has anyone had any luck with 10 club 1 count?
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Dave Corney <tarim@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Passing Patterns: Both Hand Passing: 7 clubs PPS
Reply-To: tarim@cix.compulink.co.uk
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 06:11 GMT




  Martin Frost <me@CS.Stanford.EDU> writes:

> My apologies for making you discover the 8 club PPS pattern!

  Please, no apologies necessary, Tarim has been having gr8 fun
investig8ing!

> Does it really work?

  Ahh, well it works fine on paper, Tarim only recently found
this newsgroup, so it was reading your reference 2 PSS 7 club
patterns in Spring-91 Jugglers World that made him realise such
things might b even possible!  Tarim did actually try 7 bean bag
PSS 4 the 1st time last night when his local juggling club
resumed after the Christmas break.  So he doesn't think he's
quite up 2 finding out if 8 club PPS works in practice yet.

> Here is my 7-club PPS, version F 

  This 1 looks like it works fine on paper 2, & does look rather
sweet (in terms of simplicity that is).  Tarim will get there 1
day!  What does Brendan Brolly <PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
think of this 1?  After all he started this discussion didn't he?

> ask me about the 8 club 3-count some time.

  Should Tarim?  Oh OK then, what about 8 club 3-count? :-)

       Tarim
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From: Chris Wright <STA5CW@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: hourly juggling mail from rec.juggling.
X-Pmrqc: 1
Priority: normal
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:23:38 GMT
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).
Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:22:52 +0000

>
>
> Hands up all those who can do a 4 ball shower. Now hands up all those
> who can do a 4 ball half shower. Which do you think is easier?
>
> I've just got to grips with the 4 ball shower, its taken me about 3
> weeks. The half shower took me about 6 months. I present this as
> evidence that the higher number site-swap=harder pattern theory is
> nonsense.
>     Ab.

    Well, I must say that I find the 4-ball half shower MUCH easier
than the full shower. Basically I can do the former in my sleep
(aren't I clever), whereas the best I can do with a 4bfs is about 50
or 60 catches with the left hand.
    But I learnt 4 balls by a rather strange route. Most people learn
by doing 2 in each hand- which is what I do most of the time these
days- whereas when I learnt, about 4 years ago, I was obsessed with
the notion of doing a crossing pattern with 4 balls. So the first 4
ball pattern I learnt was the pattern which, if done with clubs, is
generally called 'triple-single' and is a 53 in site-swap notation.
So I suppose you could say that the first 4 ball pattern I learnt was
a half shower. (As you well know, there is a bit of dispute over the
exact definition of the half shower. For me, for a pattern to be a
half shower, it is a necessary condition that the right hand throws
the balls to the OUTSIDE of the incoming ball. By this definition,
the first pattern I learnt with 4 wasn't a half-shower.)
    Isn't it strange, when I learnt 4 balls, I wanted to do a
crossing pattern, with hands asynchronous in an even rythym, and with
each hand throwing the balls to the same height. If I'd sat and
thought about it for a bit, I would have realised that it was
IMPOSSIBLE. I worked that out about 2 years later, after I could do
5, when I discovered the 552 pattern. It's a funny old world, isn't
it?
            Chris Wright, Leeds, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: aconway@BofA.com (Andrew Conway)
Subject: Re: devil stick tricks
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:08:38 GMT

In article <7110@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk writes:
>   [stuff deleted]
>Try to get hold of Dave Finnegan's 'The Complete Juggler' - there's a section
>in there on devil sticks. It's written by somebody who has re-worked the
>section into a book called 'The Devil Stick Book'. I can't remember the
>guy's name right now.....   [more deleted]

            Todd Strong. The book is available from Dube. I'm not sure
            if there is a distributer in the UK. Todd is currently
            teaching juggling at a circus school in Berlin.

>_____________________________________________________________
>Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre

                            Andrew Conway

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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: olin@sics.se (Peter Olin)
Subject: Re: juggling clubs : enough ! enough!
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:36:48 GMT


In article <1992Dec31.052314.16895@ncsu.edu> mohit@apollo.psrc.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar) writes:
   i am glad at least someone else also feel that this info about the clubs
   need to be put in a proper file instead of each club sending detailed
   albeit separate info about their activities.

   alas! one of my articles never got,posted in which i had suggested the
   same thing that providing info this way is a very inefficient way of
   providing info (for the lack of better words ). 
---------

	I disagree. I think it's most valuable to get this kind of
	information first hand from a "non-anonymous" source.

	The messages are short and information dense. Let's not try to
	stop valuable information by over organizing things. If you
	like to assemble the posted information, that would be great,
	but I see no harm in having it available first hand from the
	original posters here in rec.juggling.

	/Peter

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From: amorgan@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: Georgian Shuffle
Originator: amorgan@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:08:51 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.930112115653.448@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk> 
  Brendan Brolly <PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk> writes:

>P.P.S. Has anyone had any luck with 10 club 1 count?

As a matter of fact Boppo and I have tried the 10 club 1 count and
even the 14 club 1 count.  No, it wasn't what you would call successful.

C Frog
From: $$$CBFI@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Jack Schudel)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Atlanta Groundhog Day?
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:54:40 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

Does anyone know when/where the Atlanta Jugglers Association
Groundhog Day festival will be held?
 
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: juggling history?
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:40:14 GMT

In article <1iteevINNdgm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of any good books on or including sections on the early 
>history of juggling?  The art can be traced back for thousands of years,
>yet there I've been able to find so little information about pre-twentieth
>century juggling.  I'm also interested in the newer stuff, so if anyone has
>any recommended readin along those lines too, I'll look into it.  
>Thanky...
>
>-- 
>--Bradford Linder, the self proclaimed, sudden expert on devilbunnies..--
> (but obviously not on spelling)
>
>

4000 Years of Juggling by Karl Heinz Zeithen.

This book traces the history of juggling, but its complete lack of a bibligraphy
or footnotes to denote sources leaves me befuddled.  I've traced many of his
"early history" back to sources and much of is is inaccurate.  Not completely
wrong, just streched a little.  This may be from the german to english 
translation that Mr. Zeithen once complained to me about.  This two volume work
is currently out of print, but there is one copy available through interlibrary
loan (it isn't copy-writed if your interested) and Dube' is due to reprint it
in one volume shortly.  (there is a huge amount of white space that could be
removed.)

-GReg Cohen
Infinite Illusions

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From: andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andy Arhelger)
Subject: Re: Four ball shower.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 21:25:12 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

I can do both.
Four ball shower is much harder for me than the 1/2 shower.

Andy Arhelger
andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
From: zlsiimw@info.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: devil stick tricks
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:08:34 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <04JAN93.14305829.0188@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, LS37@UNB.CA (LS37)
writes:
|> For Christmas I gave my daughter a devil stick.  But I'm not really
|> sure what to do with the thing.  Can someone describe a few simple
|> tricks she can master (she's eleven years old).  Even better, is
|> there a volunteer out there who would post something like
|> devil.stick.help to moocow?  Thanks

Try to get hold of Dave Finnegan's 'The Complete Juggler' - there's a section
in there on devil sticks. It's written by somebody who has re-worked the
section into a book called 'The Devil Stick Book'. I can't remember the
guy's name right now. For starters she should just rest the stick on both
handsticks and practise throwing it up in the air and catching with both
handsticks; then adding in 1/2 a turn and then 1 turn (watch the ceiling!)
so that she won't get too disheartened by dropping the wretched thing.

Also practise tapping the stick from side to side with one end resting on the
ground - this helps in getting the feel of keeping it in the air whilst
keeping it reasonably under control.
-- 
_____________________________________________________________
Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre
From: ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 'Named' patterns
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:29:39 GMT
Organization: Oh, come /on/..
Originator: ke94002@black


 Oops.. just spotted a mistake in the description I gave for
Rubenstein's Revenge (which should, hopefully, have been obvious
with any luck) : step j should read:

                1, not 2 here-------v
j: LH keeps going round, grabs ball 1 from the air as it descends,
does b/b-type weave on RHS.

 
 And some other comments that come to mind -- R/R is similar to
Mills' Mess in as much as each ball always does the same thing;
ball 1 is 'weave'd around ball 2, which is 'burke's barrage'd, and
thrown over the top; ball 3 just sorta pops up and down in columns,
really. 

--
Daniel Mitchell == ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk == bi furry juggler
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From: lcaselli@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa A Caselli)
Subject: Unicycle
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:50:32 GMT

   My New Years Resolution was to abandon unicycling.  I have this tendency
   to pull my back when I fall off.  The result of this is that I am selling
   my unicycle.  It is a chrome semcycle XL with a 24 inch wheel.  Black 
   pedals, black seat.  Excellent condition.  Anyone interested?  I'm looking
   to get $60 but any offer will be considered.  

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From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Re: Juggling and RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:11:20 GMT

>I posted my reply concerning Juggling and RSI twice.  Suffice it to say that I
>f*&^#d up. I apologize for the waste of bandwidth...
>
>Mark Olson

	Although I don't have Carpal Tunnel problems, I read your article
with some care.  It was very well presented, informative and probably
will help a number of us as time goes on.  Don't fret about the
bandwidth.  It was a good job.

	Thanks
                                                      
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From: David J Ward <71035.525@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Record List
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 06 Jan 93 18:52:14 EST


The new record list has now been compiled.    Those interesed in the
listing will find a total of 16 new records and about 30 records
changing hands.  The order of the clubs didn't change much however.

Two new clubs were added at the bottom. I would like to welcome them
to the list.  

If you would like more information on how to get started in the listing
please send me e-mail and I'll send you some information.

The record list will be sent next.  It is getting quite lengthy so
if you are not interested in it then please ignore my next posting.

David Ward
71035.525@compuserve.com
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:09:18 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <6416@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Barry Prescott) writes:
>Do you like to listen to music while you juggle? Does a strong rhythm upset you
>or do you find it useful to synch it with your juggling rhythm? I am finding 

I would, but I find most of the music I like is too fast.  I have to get my 
pattern so low to get it into the time that the balls start colliding as I'
m only lifting them a few inches off my hands.  I keep meaning to get my 
metronome out but it's right at the back of the cellar somewhere.
So, folks, what music IS slow enough, and do you happen to know how many 
beats per minute it is, so I can set my metronome?


        Never believe an experiment until it is confirmed by theory 
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: benjamin@corona.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: W. C. Fields
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:49:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: corona.math.washington.edu
From: kbindner@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kenneth Bindner)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: A Wonderful Wife...
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:26:05 GMT
Organization: Corporate Real Estate - Dayton, OH

--
From: steve@thorin.geosys.co.uk (Steve Hawtin)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: juggling clubs : enough ! enough!
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: steve@geosys.co.uk
Organization: Oilfield Systems Ltd.

In article <1992Dec31.052314.16895@ncsu.edu>, mohit@apollo.psrc.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar) writes:
|> 
|> i am glad at least someone else also feel that this info about the clubs
|> need to be put in a proper file instead of each club sending detailed
|> albeit separate info about their activities.
|> 

If anyone in the UK has more up to date club info than that on
moocow please mail it to me, I can keep the UK club list up to
date. 


Steve Hawtin			EMAIL    : steve@geosys.co.uk
Oilfield Systems Ltd.,		BANGNET  : ...!uunet!mcsun!uknet!geosys!steve
Worthy Park House,		PHONE    : +44 962 882448
Abbots Worthy, Winchester,	FAX      : +44 962 885085
Hants. SO21 1AN, UK.
From: allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Strengthening a weak hand (was Re: Music
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:50:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: torment.ugcs.caltech.edu

ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Barry Prescott) writes:
...
>I find that my left hand is weaker than my right, and so the left hand circle
>isn't as high as the right hand side circle. This means that the LHS goes 
>faster, and I find myself doing synchronous throws.
>I am trying to beef up my LHS throw by trying to make both balls goes to the
>same height whilst synchrously juggling 4 balls. I also must conciously look
>at my LHS circle rather than my RHS, which is what I subconciously do.
>Does anyone have any tips or exercises that might help? 

Shower 3 backwards for a while before working on 4. If you're like many
people I've suggested this to, when you then try to do 4, your left hand
will be all hyped up and throw higher than usual. At least, it works for
me, when my hands are asymmetric in 5 and 7.			Allen K.

P.S. Tell me if it works, please!
From: benjamin@riemann.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: the Georgian shuffle..
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:00:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: riemann.math.washington.edu

This trick is named after the former Soviet republic.  I think I read this in   
special '91 convention in Tbilisi, Georgia, and this trick sort of evolved.
Anyone who was there care to comment?
-Ben   
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Ball Juggling Limit?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:16:03 GMT


  Given the span length of the human arms and the speed of response in
catching and throwing a ball, is there a theoretical upper limit to the
number of balls a human being can juggle?
From: ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: 'Named' patterns
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:34:20 GMT
Organization: Oh, come /on/..
Originator: ke94002@black


 Purely on the grounds of 'impressiveness of title', I've been
working on the 'name' patterns for three balls; so, having mastered
(well, not exactly, but managed to get to grips with) Mills' Mess,
Burke's Barrage, and Rubenstein's Revenge, what's next?

 Is there an obvious extension to that progression? After all, R/R
is in some ways B/B with extra twiddly bits -- alternatively, are
there other patterns named after their creator?

 (yes, I've got Beyond The Cascade -- I guess there's the Gillson
variation of M/M, but that's just a variation, really.)

 Thanks.
 
--
Daniel Mitchell == ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk == bi furry juggler
From: steve@thorin.geosys.co.uk (Steve Hawtin)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:25:12 GMT
Reply-To: steve@geosys.co.uk
Organization: Oilfield Systems Ltd.

In article <6416@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>, ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Barry Prescott) writes:
|> 
|> Do you like to listen to music while you juggle? Does a strong rhythm upset you
|> or do you find it useful to synch it with your juggling rhythm?

I find that ZZTop helps my juggling but Bob Marley interferes, I
think this has to do with the speed of the beat.  This seems to
be independent of the number of objects and the object types. 

I wonder if certain tracks are universally "good" for juggling 
or if like most things it depends on the juggler?

---

Steve Hawtin			EMAIL    : steve@geosys.co.uk
Oilfield Systems Ltd.,		BANGNET  : ...!uunet!mcsun!uknet!geosys!steve
Worthy Park House,		PHONE    : +44 962 882448
Abbots Worthy, Winchester,	FAX      : +44 962 885085
Hants. SO21 1AN, UK.
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