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From: cascella-suzanne@cs.yale.edu (Suzanne Cascella)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:57:54 -0400
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
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In article <23795@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown) writes:
|> 
|> My husband bought a Sporter 1200 last April, 92.  Fortunately for us,
|> we just walked in and bought one.  = )  But now he's talking about getting
|> a bigger bike and wants me to learn how to ride so I can have his 1200.
|> 
|> I make a great passenger, but I'm a little leary of actually learning
|> how to ride.  Heck I won't ride my bicycle on the streets. = )  Any
|> advice from male or female riders?  Pro's or Con's welcomed.  I do know
|> about the Motorocyle safety drivers course.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance,
|> 
|> Jennifer Brown

Definitely take the MSF course.  I took it in Sept. 91, got a small Honda
(360) for the spring 92 season and quickly got tired of it.  Bought my HD
this past June and have put on almost 3000 miles so far this summer.  I'm
not suggesting you get right into the HD, you'd probably feel more comfortable
on something smaller at first.  When we picked up the HD from the dealer, I
was afraid at first, so I had my husband drive it away (didn't want to make a
fool of myself ;-) ) - he drove it to a nearby parking lot, I got on, drove
around for about 5 minutes and said "Let's go!!.

Good luck,
-- 
Suzanne Cascella, Systems Programmer	cascella-suzanne@cs.yale.edu
Yale University CS Department		cascella-suzanne@yalecs.bitnet
New Haven, CT  06520			cascella-suzanne@yale.arpa
(203)432-6427				FAX: (203)432-0593
From: kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu (Karin Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Back from Sturgis?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:21:31 GMT
Organization: Office of Planning & Budget, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Not to long ago I asked for info about Sturgis. I got a couple of
responses which really made me feel like I want to go there, but
unfortunately I did not make it.

I hope you guys had a great time!

If anybody wants to send me latest news how it was I will appreciate it.

Karin
From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:39:40 GMT

In article <23795@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)  
writes:
> 
> My husband bought a Sporter 1200 last April, 92.  Fortunately for us,
> we just walked in and bought one.  = )  But now he's talking about getting
> a bigger bike and wants me to learn how to ride so I can have his 1200.
> 
> I make a great passenger, but I'm a little leary of actually learning
> how to ride.  Heck I won't ride my bicycle on the streets. = )  Any
> advice from male or female riders?  Pro's or Con's welcomed.  I do know
> about the Motorocyle safety drivers course.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Jennifer Brown

I say GO 4 IT. I wish my wife would learn to ride. Actually, she may be better  
off on the back of my scooter which is now sold :( (New bike on the way soon) I  
remember one time when I was teaching my stepdaughter how to ride her Kawi  
minibike, the wife decided to try it. She went directly into a tree. No attempt  
at braking, turning or any other method to avoid the tree. I never could figure  
that one out.
--
**********************************************************
Scott Colbath
Stratus Computer
Phoenix, Az.  (602)852-3106
Internet:scott_colbath@az.stratus.com
**********************************************************
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:27:10 EDT
From: <BJH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Sportster availability.

I stopped in at the local Harley dealer this past weekend to ponder the
purchase of either a Sportster 883 or 1200 and was told there'd be at least a
two month wait.  Is this common across the country or is this a local thing?

And while I'm at it, would anyone like to give their opinions on which of the
two to buy?

Thanks,
Brian
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Heaven's Devils
From: ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:23:42 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


A friend of mine says that there is a group of men that ride around under
the monniker "Heaven's Devils". 

Is this true? 

	-Tom-
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:26:20 GMT


You can convert an 883 motor to a 1200 motor for about $500-600

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: mmotts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michelle Motts)
Subject: Help needed on Sportster turn signals
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:00:49 GMT



Hey there,

I'm posting this for a friend so please do not directly reply to
my account....Thanks



The turn signals on my '90 Sportster do not work.  I think that the
grounding may have come loose, but do not know for sure.

1.  Would that be the problem?  Where should I check?

2.  If not, what else would cause this problem.  (I have brand new
    battery!)

Any replys are welcome.

Thanks in advance,

David Bair
70006.475@compuserve.com

Please reply to above address.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: caban@convex.com (Jane Caban)
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:32:31 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <23795@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown) writes:
>
>My husband bought a Sporter 1200 last April, 92.  Fortunately for us,
>we just walked in and bought one.  = )  But now he's talking about getting
>a bigger bike and wants me to learn how to ride so I can have his 1200.
>
>I make a great passenger, but I'm a little leary of actually learning
>how to ride.  Heck I won't ride my bicycle on the streets. = )  Any
>advice from male or female riders?  Pro's or Con's welcomed.  I do know
>about the Motorocyle safety drivers course.

I've been riding about a year and half now. I started out by taking the MSF
course - I strongly recommend it. My first bike was real small - a Honda
Rebel 250. After putting 2K miles on that I was ready for something bigger.
I now ride a Honda Shadow 600, which will have to do until I can afford the
HD of my dreams. :-)

I personally would not want to have started as a new rider with a heavier
bike - especially a new HD - because until you get use to the way the bike
feels, you may drop it. I never dropped the Rebel, but I did drop the 600
in my driveway after I first got it - stupid mistake (no damage though).
Now I've got about 5K on it with no mishaps since.

My point is you may want to get a lighter bike (like a 500) to learn on,
and sell it after a few months when you're ready for the 1200. 


-- 
*******************************************************************************
Jane Caban       | DoD #0508
caban@convex.com | Honda VT600C Shadow VLX
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From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: MC group traffic ENOUGH AREADY
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:26:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Organization: msus

In article <88457@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, rhasse@sparkle.tnis (Rick Hasse CT90)
wrote:
> 
> 
> In article 713720748@convex.convex.com, mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
> >(Whole boring thing deleted)
> >
> >So what does any of this have to do with motorcyling?
> >
> >Did I miss something?
> 
> Matt,
> 
> I can't believe you missed the relevance.  Just imagine if you had one or three
> testicles.  You would have to seriously consider which side of the bike to hang
> the "odd ball" so as not to throw off your balance.  Lord have mercy if you 
> forgot and hung all three on one side.  There's an accident waiting to happen! :-)
>  

Enough already.  If it were not for you guys badgering each other,
there would be no traffic at all in this group.  Humm.  Maybe we
should #include alt.alien.visitors to inject RELEVANCE here.
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Women who wish to ride, take heart
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:14:18 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System


Re: Women who want to ride

...or for that matter, anyone who wants to ride.  

You _will_ drop your motorcycle and it _will_ be the best bike you
ever had.  Consider this not a prophesy, but an attitude you
should accept so when it does happen you are neither devastated nor
ashamed, just a little wiser.

I know, I know, there are riders in netland who have been on the
road for decades and never dropped their prized machine.  Save your
rebuttals, sisters and brothers, you aren't done riding yet and if you
think you have retired with no drops, you've probably never really
ridden or you are a statistical anomaly.

Why is this mentioned?  These things come to mind; a friend who
took up riding with her boyfriend who is a veteran MC rider and
MC drag racer gave her no end of shit for a falling down.  I've also
seen such silly behavior among younger riders.  _Never_ have I seen
an experienced, even hard-core sterotypical 'outlaw' type bikers derride
a fallen rider and they know (oh, how they know) how close any of us are
to err.  And finally, my exwife was no great athelete (in fact she had 
multiple sclerosis) rode, fell down and would arise with a grace that
empowered anyone she rode with.  Especially me.  She rode and loved it 
as you will when you ride, if you ride with heart.

Enjoy.  Live.  Drop that big Harley, or whatever.  You cannot
take it with you.  This is it.

 john stafford
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:28:53 -0600
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

In article <23795@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer
Brown) wrote:
> 
> 
> My husband bought a Sporter 1200 last April, 92.  Fortunately for us,
> we just walked in and bought one.  = )  But now he's talking about getting
> a bigger bike and wants me to learn how to ride so I can have his 1200.
> 
> I make a great passenger, but I'm a little leary of actually learning
> how to ride.  Heck I won't ride my bicycle on the streets. = )  Any
> advice from male or female riders?  Pro's or Con's welcomed.  I do know
> about the Motorocyle safety drivers course.
> 

IMHO, there just are not enough women bikers.  Especially single
ones.  

Anyway, I know several women who ride and a couple ride Big Twin
(not Sporsters) Harleys and one is a petite 5'5" 120lb woman who
can haul around a hard-tail long-springer chop like a pro.

In other words, PRO.  Do it.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Subject: Re: Buying a newer harley.
Reply-To: rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:23:04 GMT


In a previous article, gibbemeyer@cntrol.enet.dec.com (Alan Gibbemeyer) says:

> These bikes run for >12K though.  Can you usually bargain
>with the dealer?  Would it be better to buy in mid-winter?  Would
>it be advantageous to buy a used softtail (newer >87 with less
>than 10Kmiles and in perfect condition ;>).  At what price can I
>expect to find these used softtails?

Alan, 

Hah!  When my FLSTC came in last May (my order went in October 1991!),
some prospective buyers saw the H-D big-truck unloading at the dealer
and came in to buy a new bike.  All but one of the 10 bikes unloaded
that day were sold.  While I was at the dealer, two people came in and
offered $14,000 for my Heritage Softail (that's almost $2,000 over list).

My dealer did everything she could to have me take back my deposit; of
course, I did nothing of the sort.  All she wanted was to make more
money.  So, the moral is, no deals on new H-D motorcycles, period.

Of course, when I ordered mine in October 1991 (northcoast -- approaching
winter which is something that doesn't effect the lower left coast and
some other parts of the U.S.) not many people were knocking at the dealers'
doors.  So, my dealer did "work" with me -- and I say that cautiously since
it was the saleperson who did the work and the general manager would
never have negotiated the deal.

Expect to pay $$$$ for used bikes also -- they seem to be holding
value real well.  In fact, I am certain that with H-D 1993 price
increase, I could sell my 1992 for more than I paid; then again,
I would not have my Harley!

Good luck!
-- 
Ron Moritz (rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu)
Associate Director / Information Technology
Case Western Reserve University
DoD #1992
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Reality Check: Someone broke away from HD?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:16:44 -0600
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

True?  Someone (Kokesh?) left HD to start his own company
using Evo engines and his own frames, etc?  Supposedly he
is located in Milwaukee.  Huh?
From: wapembe@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Willaim Pemberton)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Sportster availability.
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:12:37 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

if you have been riding for awhile, you might want to opt for the
1200.  The extra seems to be worth the money.  If you are new to
the road, go with the 883.  All the pep you will need for now.
You will want to upgrade later (or sooner?).  The last I heard,
the sportys were going belt, and 5 speed.  you might want to wait
for that.  later.  peace.
-- 
wapembe@afterlife.ncsc.mil      "Wrong word. FACT!"  John Wayne
73 de ka3yyr cul
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: gibbemeyer@cntrol.enet.dec.com (Alan Gibbemeyer)
Subject: Buying a newer harley.
Keywords: softtail buy sell cheap
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Hudson Mass.
Date: 17 AUG 92 10:22:57


Hi,

I've been looking into possibly buying a motorcycle.  I currently
own a 700cc Yamaha Maxim but would love to have a Harley.  I went
and looked and found that the softtail custom bikes best suited my
taste.  These bikes run for >12K though.  Can you usually bargain
with the dealer?  Would it be better to buy in mid-winter?  Would
it be advantageous to buy a used softtail (newer >87 with less
than 10Kmiles and in perfect condition ;>).  At what price can I
expect to find these used softtails?


Any response is greatly appreciated, thanks,

Alan Gibbemeyer
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: MC group traffic -- velly interesting
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:25:28 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <88457@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> rhasse@sparkle.tnis (Rick Hasse CT90) writes:


>In article 713720748@convex.convex.com, mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
>>(Whole boring thing deleted)
>>
>>So what does any of this have to do with motorcyling?
>>
>>Did I miss something?

>Matt,

>I can't believe you missed the relevance.  Just imagine if you had one or three
>testicles.  You would have to seriously consider which side of the bike to hang
>the "odd ball" so as not to throw off your balance.  Lord have mercy if you 
>forgot and hung all three on one side.  There's an accident waiting to happen! :-)
> 

Well, I guess I'm fortunate to have a even number then (2). I don't guess 
many women contemplated this type phenomena!

Matthew

p.s. Two weeks ago I went swimming in Grapevine lake because it was hot, and we were there. (Donnie Frank was riding also) So we parked the scoots and headed
down the rock bluff and went in for awhile. When we climed the bluff to get
back up, I split me trousers up the crotch. I don't wear underwear, and
wouldn't you know....my swimsuit was at the house. So I tucked my shirt down
the front, and sat on the rest to cover "Frick & Frack", as Donnie referred.
I couldn't see 'em but I *know* they were hangin' to the right side......
and I never fell once!!!

Rule of thumb: don't go anywhere without, an extra under garment...especially
in the summer when you might be hitting all the pools and hot tubs!

Cheers!
Newsgroups: alt.support,misc.jobs.misc
From: ort@netcom.com (David Oertel)
Subject: Re: life and work
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:16:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Re: life and work




Gary Murphy writes:

	More nonsense.  Here's an exercise for you, and since you have the time,
	I hope you will try it.  At your next meal, before you begin eating,
	consider 20 people who's labours have made that meal possible.  You need

I think that your posting misses the original point because very few people
labor to meet basic human needs.  For example, our greatest export by dollar
value is still advanced weapon systems.  Granted, it's important for great
statesmen and subtle political thinkers such as King Faud and the Emir of
Kuwait, to have the means to champion freedom and justice, however, these
pursuits fail the basic-human-needs test.  National Public Radio recently
interviewed someone who has written a book which calculates the 
proportion of the economy that is 'essential'.  I don't remember what the 
metrics were, but the result was something less than 10%.  My theory, for 
what its worth, is that there once was a time when it was necessary to work 
a lot, like during World War 2.  There seems to be an inertia effect that 
keeps society from figuring out that it's no longer necessary, and that 
it's time for us pursue our own interests.  If someone can figure out how
to steer society in this more reasonable direction, maybe they can spread
the word that information workers no longer need to make this ridiculous
effort to assemble in one geographical location every day like manufacturing
workers had to.

	Dave Oertel,
	ort@netcom.com

--
From: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov (Bob Boyd)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Intimacy
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:44:57 GMT
Reply-To: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov
Organization: Unisys/EPA

Bear,

You asked if any of your post made sense.  I sense that you
are struggling with making choices.  

Specifically I sense that you may be feeling some fear about
starting new relationships -- and afraid of losing this old one
that you've shared about so often.  

I'm curious about what it is that you are hoping for in this old
relationship?  It sounds like you may have a fantasy of what it
could become -- I'm curious about what your fantasy might be.
If things went just the way you expect or would like what would
happen?  What would the relationship be like?  

Then there's another tack:  "what is it I want out of this relationship?"
When I'm working on that question, I usually take a while to get 
to the meat of it.

One of the challenges I'm working on is expanding my support network.
This is a real challenge -- going places that are new, being around 
people that I don't know anything about (at first),  feeling vulnerable,
making mistakes, being disappointed when things don't work well, 
etc.   The other side of this is that I am building new relationships,
I am getting more support than ever, I feel less alone, I feel connected
to others more, and I feel loved & worthwhile(especially because I am
acting in a loving way to myself).

In the last year I have risked going to men's meetings, martial arts classes,
Awareness Through Movement classes,  drumming classes, and other 
1-time events/meetings.  Each time I do these things, I'm learning from
watching other people, I learn about my ability to try new things and meet
new people, I find issues that I can work on, I learn more about what I
like and dislike.  Also, I'm learning how to be more direct about establishing
relationships with people.  I won't say that I feel comfortable with
the process -- I am comfortable with it being a process.  

What if you shifted some of your attention to the questions around what
you would want from a closer relationship with someone else?  You don't
have to abandon your other interests to do that.   You might ask 
"If I was in a close relationship with someone here where I live, what would
I want to characterize it?"  And you might ask,  "What would I need to 
be able to develop a relationship like that?"
----

Bob Boyd
In The Here & Now
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook)
Subject: Need Divorce support
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Distribution: fl
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:49:21 GMT

I will soon be asking my husband for a divorce.  We have been together
seven years and married since April 1991.  I suppose I just want
some encouragement that I won't be viewed as "damaged goods" in the
single world.  This was my first and only marriage and I'm very
unhappy that it has to end....Please be nice. I'm real sensitive right
now.


Newsgroups: alt.support,alt.recovery
From: dog@sequent.com (Paul Parenteau)
Subject: Not discussing cancer
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:10:18 GMT

In article <13914@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms) writes:
>
> I've been reading the mail exchanged about whether knowing about one's
> condition and the prognosis for one's cancer is beneficial or not.  My
> mother had lung cancer (she died 5 months and 14 days ago of it) and I
> don't think the doctor's ever really told her the severity of her condition.
> But they did tell me.
>
> I think my mother made it clear to me and my father that she wasn't 
> "interested" in discussing the prognosis of her cancer. 
>
It's unfortunate that your mother decided to not talk about it.  My 
mother-in-law (who, for all the mother-in-law bashing that goes on, was a
wonderful, intelligent woman) died 22 days ago of pancreatic cancer.  Her
doctor took quite a while to diagnose the situation before telling her she
had 6 months left to live.

She was the type of person who actually faced her pending death and made plans.
She specified that she didn't want to be kept alive via mechanical means.  She
wrote a poem for her memorial service (she was a writer).  She arranged for
home hospice care.  She was never sad or fearful.  Truly inspirational.

She died at home, with her daughters and her husband of 39 years by her side
as she took her last breath.  

For some reason which I don't pretend to understand, the planning and the
preparation made it easier at the end.

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From: TCWD@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU (TCWD)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: pcb's and thyroid cancer(any connection)
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:28:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25017]: music.tcs.tulane.edu

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could let me know if there is any connection b
between pcbs (chemicals) and thyroid cancer.  Could they affect the thyr
oid gland. If anyone has any info please send it to me at
TCWD000@music.tcs.tulane.edu
thank you in advance
william dodoo
Newsgroups: alt.support