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From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Practice Swings (wAS : re: Divots.....)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:06:01 GMT

In article <714936203@lear.cs.duke.edu>, rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.150019.26704@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com writes:
|> >your putter!  Oh, and another thing, why do people take these practice swings
|> >at 50% or less of what they're really going to swing.  This does NO good.
|> 
|> Well, I guess it depends on what you are attempting the practice swing for.
|> When my "swing thought" is to get my weight planted solidly on my right side
|> before turning back through, once I've done the plant and started the turn,
|> the force behind the club is irrelevant for the practice swing as I've
|> focused on my key.  Easing up eases the back strain.  At other times, my
|> thought really involves the swing and I take a full swing.  Very few pros
|> take practice swings, but ones that do don't often take full swings, but
|> are focused on some particular aspect, perhaps even just to remove tension
|> from their muscles.  It all depends.
|> ---
|> Ronnie Smith      East Carolina University      Greenville, NC

Good point Ronnie.  

Alot of time I take my practice swing just to get a feel for the club again.
I don't use the same club on every stroke so it helps to get that "Feel" once
again.

Ever seen Corey Pavin before he hits a shot?  He holds the club on the ground 
and concentrates on his turn.  Same thing as a practice swing only he doesn't 
use the club.

It is all personal preference, what makes you comfortable on the course, and
hey if you want to take 5 practice swings, go for it, who cares.  Relax.

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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Pace of play
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:20:58 GMT

cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) writes:

>Recently, the "pace of play" issue has been discussed, and the often
>mentioned open hole in front of you metric has been suggested.  I
>worked a tournament about 3 weeks ago where pace of play became an
>issue.  We had a group that somehow got 3 holes behind the group
>in front of them.  The question was whether to penalize them for slow
>play.  One side of the argument was that there were 3 holes open and
>other groups were waiting.  The other side of the argument was that 15
>minutes per hole, a tournament round would take 4 1/2 hours, and the
>group was progressing at a rate more rapid than that.

The shouldn't be penalized unless they were violating the established time
frame.  For example at the Oregon Amateur this year we told the players
that they were to average 15 minutes per hole (4.5 hours for the round) and
that if they fell behind that pace, we would start timing them.  I spent a
good part of the day going around doing this.  I had a spreadsheet with the
time that each starting time should finish any hole and if they were in
violation of that and falling behind the group in front, we warned them that
we would be watching and to pick up the pace.  After that, if they didn't
start to make up the gap, we would tell them we were starting to time them.

After that, if anyone took more than 45 seconds for a shot (60 for the
first tee shot or putt), he/she would get a warning.  3 warnings was a
penalty of two strokes.  We never even had to give an individual player a
warning.  Telling the group we were timing them got them moving.

We were being quick to jump on them as we had about 150 players to get on
the course that day and with starting times from both 1 and 10, we couldn't
have people falling behind and not making the turn in the morning and
delaying our afternoon times.

>The point is that an open hole in front should be a rule of thumb, not
>an absolute.

True, but if there is room in front of me and there is someone obviously
waiting on me, I don't care if I was playing in 2.5 hours, I'd let them go
through.

>John V's point about courtesy is well taken.  If you do have an open
>hole in front of you, and there are people waiting on you, you should
>offer to let them through, even if you are playing faster than the
>norm for the course.  On the other hand, if you are being held up, you
>can always politely ask to play through.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:12:48 GMT
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC

In article <4901@balrog.ctron.com> spillane@olympus.ctron.com (Jim Spillane) 
                                   ********                        ********
>
>I disagree!  I happen to take a few practice swings at each hole.
>I like to, and it makes me feel more confident.  Anyone playing in
>a group behind me who tries to rush me just may end up eating
>one of their own clubs (I wouldn't treat mine so badly).
>I mean it, too, so let someone try.  I pay my greens fees every
...
>contemplation, that's my own choice.  Interfere with that at your
>own risk.
>
>-JAS

If your brothers name is Mickey then I'm certainly not 
going to mess with you. 

8-)
Mike N.
From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Divots.....
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:23:24 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug27.150019.26704@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com writes:
>your putter!  Oh, and another thing, why do people take these practice swings
>at 50% or less of what they're really going to swing.  This does NO good.

Well, I guess it depends on what you are attempting the practice swing for.
When my "swing thought" is to get my weight planted solidly on my right side
before turning back through, once I've done the plant and started the turn,
the force behind the club is irrelevant for the practice swing as I've
focused on my key.  Easing up eases the back strain.  At other times, my
thought really involves the swing and I take a full swing.  Very few pros
take practice swings, but ones that do don't often take full swings, but
are focused on some particular aspect, perhaps even just to remove tension
from their muscles.  It all depends.


-- 
Ronnie Smith      East Carolina University      Greenville, NC
   (and still at Duke a little bit)
 INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu
The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
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From: ajc900@anusf.anu.edu.au (Andrew J Cleary)
Subject: Re: Results of US National 7s Championship
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:44:54 GMT

In <1713@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM> dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax) writes:

>The 1992 USA Rugby National Men's 7s Championship was played
>in Alexandria, VA this past weekend.  The results from Sunday's play
>are as follows:

   Results deleted...

Listen, as you've probably noticed, most of r.s.r is filled with Aussie and
Kiwi news. While that is interesting (especially since I now live in 
Australia), I can get those results in the paper, and so it is quite nice
to once in a while be able to read some results from America. So, Thanks a
heap, and any other results you get would be quite appreciated. (in fact, I
learned my rugby in the VA area and am interested in some of the more local
results).

>The most disappointing thing about Sunday was the incredibly small
>attendance.  I believe there were more players for all the teams than
>there were spectators.

American rugby in a nutshell: keen players, no spectators, no money, no
administrative support, suspect coaching and refereeing, no publicity, no
good grounds with clubhouses, etc., whine, cry, etc.

>-- 
>                                           Dave Marshall
>                                           dmarshal@stars.reston.unisys.com

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Australian National University
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From: peterda@cs.uow.edu.au (Peter Donald Asquith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Report Aust v SA
Summary: Australia 26 South Africa 3
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:07:55 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

OS rugby supporters may be interested in some of the press
in the aftermath of Australia's win on Saturday.

From the Sydney Morning Herald, Spiro Zavros reports,

"The South Africans, flattered by their altitude advantages at Ellis
Park last week, came down to earth with a thud against the Australians at 
sea level. ... The decision to play with the wind was about the 
only thing the Springboks did right. But this decision was 
rendered inoperative by the inability of their pack to win 
any ball in the line-outs and mauls. The much vaunted Springbok
scrum was comfortably held by the Wallabies. Tim Gavin's
strength and back row skills gave the Australian pack a steadiness 
it has lacked all year. ... Style in modern rugby is burnished
by grace, admittedly, but the prime requirement is the ability
to perform difficult technical skills successfully under pressure.
The Wallabies did this and won emphatically. ... The Wallabies
confirmed their status as the best team in the world with only
the All Blacks and England close to them. The Springboks
have to endure the fact that far from being world beaters, they are 
in the second league with Scotland and France - and not necessarily
the best in that league either."

and Greg Growden,

"... The win is important for Australia for a number of reasons.
Apart from showing that the Wallabies can overcome enormous 
emotional strain to succeed, the match was a triumph for a number of 
the team, particularly Farr-Jones who became the first player
to captain his country to victory against all full member-countries
of the International Rugby Board. Winger David Campese will also 
cherish the memory of the day he achieved his 50th Test try in 
70 appearances for Australia. The touchdown came in the 74th minute
from inspired solo work by inside centre Tim Horan, who broke through
the line, chip kicked, tackled and regathered before off loading
to Campese, thus providing the try which ensured a Wallaby victory.
 ... The small band of Australian supporters were delighted to see
the Wallabies playing to the height of their skills in the second half.
The Australian team has been erratic in recent games, but their
second half effort here was easily their best since the world-cup
semi final against New Zealand last October. Indeed the perfect
game would consist of the first 40 minutes from that semi final, and
the second 40 from Saturdays game. No team in the world
would top that - not even the ultimate SA line-up, no matter what
their supporters might think."
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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Rugby league
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:58:38 GMT

Can anyone tell me if Billy Moore had signed with Manly and then reniged
after Steve Martin got the bullet.I missed an interview in which he stated
that he had signed with Manly,but didn't wish to appear disloyal tp Norths.

Any ideas? I just heard enough to make me wonder

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From: steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg)
Subject: Re: SA  AUS]
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:02:45 GMT

In article <17atlkINN6ki@cs.utexas.edu> flatau@cs.utexas.edu (Arthur Flatau) writes:
>From: flatau@cs.utexas.edu (Arthur Flatau)
>Subject: Re: SA  AUS]
>Date: 24 Aug 1992 10:02:12 -0500
>In article <steinber.106.714564994@cc.und.ac.za> steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg) writes:
>>
>>[...]
>>Naas Botha is a woman and should be dropped if he does not retire.
>>I think my 92 year old granny can tackle better than he can.
>>
>
>How do you know this?  Have you ever seen Naas Botha tackle?
>
>Art

Good point...

He seemed to be really upset when he fell over and got dirt on his nice 
white shorts, so he went and grabbed a player around the neck !
I'm not quite sure why he wares shoulder pads - wanker.

They should try Honibal or Le Roux.

Mike



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From: Matthew.Lehrer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matthew Lehrer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Rugbuy World magazine
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:11:50 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I'm wondering if anyone could give me an address and phone number for
Rugby World magazine. I really want to get in touch with them to find out
about subscription rates, etc. Also, if any of you know any newsstands in
the NYC area that carry the magazine, please let me know. Thanks in advance...
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From: clement@arp.anu.edu.au (CJ Canon)
Subject: Re: Wallabies too good!
Organization: Centre for Information Science Research, ANU, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 05:35:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.162915.578@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
[...]
|> 
|> "DWARF THROWING"   (for the benefit of overseas readers; yes, they really *do* 
|>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      that there ! *and* they invented it.)
|> 


Hang on a minute - I thought that the French invented the alledged sport of
Dwarf-Throwing. Any French readers care to comment?


CJ
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From: greg@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (Greg Chvatal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Interested Rugby Players.
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:06:31 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


	To any interested Rugby players we are looking for players.  Our season
has just started here and will run till November and then start up again in     March.  Our team is located in Fort Collins, Colorado which is 60 miles north
of Denver and home of Colorado State University.  Any players that are          interested we will do our best to help find you a place to live and a job 
depending what type of work skills you have.  We already have some aussies that are on the team and enjoy what all of Colorado has to offer.  If you are 
interested send email to greg@yuma.acns.colostate.edu with any questions you    have and I will try my best to answer them and see what we can do for you...

					THANKS


			greg@yuma.acns.colostate.edu
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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Re: SA AUS]
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: lrz
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:49:04 GMT

steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg) writes:

>In article <17atlkINN6ki@cs.utexas.edu> flatau@cs.utexas.edu (Arthur Flatau) writes:
>>From: flatau@cs.utexas.edu (Arthur Flatau)
>>Subject: Re: SA  AUS]
>>Date: 24 Aug 1992 10:02:12 -0500
>>In article <steinber.106.714564994@cc.und.ac.za> steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg) writes:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>Naas Botha is a woman and should be dropped if he does not retire.
>>>I think my 92 year old granny can tackle better than he can.
>>>
>>
>>How do you know this?  Have you ever seen Naas Botha tackle?
>>
>>Art

>Good point...

>He seemed to be really upset when he fell over and got dirt on his nice 
>white shorts, so he went and grabbed a player around the neck !
>I'm not quite sure why he wares shoulder pads - wanker.

>They should try Honibal or Le Roux.

I agree with Honibal - but who will kick for goal then? Van Rensburg is okay
at kicking - but is he good enough? With Le Roux of course there's no problem.
Honibal is the better of the two when it comes to running the ball etc. 
(Opinions from last season - haven't seen anything this year - this place is
a rugby lover's nightmare.)

>Mike



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Subject: Re: NZ first division results
From: R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:18:06 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

In article: <1992Aug24.142100.473@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury
.ac.nz. (Alan Murray) writes:

>Well here's a roundup of the first division action this weekend.

>Canterbury 20 King Country 24
>Canterbury hit a new low with this performance. They won the linouts by 33-7
>and still couldn't score enough points to put King Country away. I said at the
>beginning of the season I wouldn't support Canterbury this year because of
>their choice of coaching staff and all my worst fears have been realised. The
>pack is acceptable but the backline is appalling - Graeme Bachop was dropped
>for returning All Black Jon Preston who seemed to have no idea where first five
>Greg Coffey, also playing his first game for three or four, was. Bach is now so
>p****d off he's talking of switching provinces and whilst I don't blame him the
>thought of losing him is distressing.

(to the tune of that immortal English football song, "Here We Go", Canterbury 
are:
Going down going down going down
Going down going down going down
Going down going down going down
Going down GOING DOWN! :-) :-)
 
Seriously, it doesn't look good for Canterbury for this season. They have to
win at least two of their remaining games this season to have any chance of 
staying in Division 1. No game is going to be easy either. What puzzled me
about the Canterbury team, apart from Bachop getting dropped, was the placing
of centre Maunsell on the wing and winger Seinafo in at centre. As well, I
don't see why a good ball handler like Dion Kerr was dropped for Coffey, who
kicked too much (from what I could see) and whose defence left a lot to be
desired.

Divisions one and two look to be very even this year with the North Harbour-
Auckland game looming as the big showdown, next to Manawatu-Taranaki of couse!
:-)

Rob
From: mae@aber.ac.uk (Mark Endaf Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Welsh Cup draw
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:03:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

WELSH CUP 1992/93
ROUND 1 DRAW
Caldicot v Machen; Ogmore Vale v Glais; Pill Harriers v Llandaff North;
Beddau v Hartridge HSOB; Abercrave v Trimsaran; Mold v Loughor; Llangwm
v Monmouth; Gwent College v Bridgend Sports Club; Bedwas v Laugharne;
Pyle v Swansea Uplands; Ystrad Rhondda v Denbigh; Newport HSOB v Chepstow;
Cwmllynfell v Tregaron; Aberystwyth v Llandeilo; Llantwit Major v Tonna;
Crumlin v Hirwaun; Skewen v Taibach; Cardiff University v Amman United;
Cardiff Medicals v Llangennech; Rhymney v Llantrisant; Maesteg Celtic v 
Gilfach Goch; Llantwit Vardre v Bryncoch; Cwmgwrach v Cwmbran; Llanybydder
v Taffs Well; Whitland v Caernarfon; St Davids v Cwmavon; Aberaman v Llandudno;
Felinfoel v BSC Port Talbot; Pontarddulais v Briton Ferry; Penygraig v Tonmawr;
Bargoed v Llanelli Wanderers; BP Llandarcy v Swansea University; Pencoed v
Pembroke Dock Quins; Senghenydd v Pontycymmer; Milford Haven v Gowerton;
Cefneithin v Neath Athletic; Porthcawl v Newport Saracens; Llandybie v 
Ystalyfera; Brynmawr v Bangor Normal College; Glynneath v Seven Sisters;
Trinant v Rhyl & District; Aberavon Green Stars v Rhydyfelin; Waunarlwydd 
v Hendy; Maesteg Quins v Cefn Coed; Carmarthen Athletic v Neyland; Lampeter
Town v Fishguard & Goodwick; St Albans v Pontyates; Dolgellau v Old 
Penarthians; Abergavenny v Tylorstown; Crynant v Abercarn; Ynysddu v 
Aberystwyth University; Cwmgors v Pwllheli; Tycroes v Resolven; Brynamman v 
Furnace United; St Josephs v Blaenau Gwent; Barry v Croesyceiliog; Heol-y-Cyw
v Rhiwbina; Bangor v Brecon; Pentyrch v Mumbles; Fleur de Lys v Cowbridge;
Tonyrefail v Newcastle Emlyn; Haverfordwest v Nantyglo; Treherbert v Bynea;
Blaengarw v RTB Ebbw Vale.

BYES TO ROUND 2:
New Panteg, Pontardawe, Carmarthen College, Penclawdd, Welshpool, Ynysybwl,
Fairwater, Merthyr, New Dock Stars, Oakdale, Cardiff Institute of Higher
Education, Bangor University, Cefn Cribbwr, Wattstown, Llanhilleth, Alltwen,
Pontyberem, Llandaff, Pembroke, Newtown, Gorseinon, Ammanford, Llanishen, 
Penygroes, Blaenavon, Risca, Usk, Nelson, Caerphilly, Dinas Powys, Pontyclun, 
Morriston, Old Illtydians, Bridgend Athletic, Nantymoel, Lampeter College, 
Trebanos, Burry Port, Nantyffyllon, Tredegar Ironsides.

DATES
ROUND 1: September 19
ROUND 2: October 17
ROUND 3: November 28
ROUND 4: December 19
ROUND 5: January 23
ROUND 6: February 27
QUARTER-FINALS: March 27 (provisional)
SEMI-FINALS: April 17 (provisional)
FINAL: May 8

All the best
Endaf.
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Subject: The Mike Brewer dilema
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:59:27 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Mike Brewer has accepted a job with the Canterbury Clothing Company and takes
up his position on September 14. This means he is available for Otago for the
game against Canterbury this Saturday but there is some doubt as to his
availability for the rest of the season.

There used to be strict residential criteria in force in New Zealand to define
who was eligible to play where. These were put in force mainly because of
border type cases eg a player living in Otahuhu or Ponsonby could not play club
rugby for Manurewa or North Shore and thus be eligible for Counties or North
Harbour. The rules used to state that one had to be a resident of the province 
one represented with residency defined as residing in said province for four 
days per week - which explains how Steve McDowell (who had a "job" in Auckland 
and housed his family in Rotorua) was able to pull on a blue and white jersey. 
It seems very unlikely that Canterbury Clothing would let Brewer "live" in Otago
for four days a week which would mean that under the old criteria Brewer would
not be eligible to play for Otago after September 14.

Does anyone know whether a) these rules have been changed or b) whether Otago
plan to apply for dispensation (for which, I would think, they could present a
strong case)?

Alan
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