HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Keywords: THINK people THINK
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:19:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <13OCT199210155339@mivax.mc.duke.edu> seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH) writes:

>In article <grendel.718921500@camelot>, grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes...
>>In <1bckfaINN1sf@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>> >>>>What is Clinton going to do differently?
>> 
>>>You know, from where I sit, just about ANYTHING different would be an
>>>improvement.
>> 
>>Basically, the idea here is this: we _know_ Bush is corrupt.  We've
>>had him and his senile predecessor for twelve years.  Now, Clinton
>>may be corrupt as well, but there's always the possibility that he
>>isn't.  We vote for him because of that possibility.

>     Logic like this slays me.  Really, it does.  You could try researching
>Perot of Marrou or other small party candidates.  

I have done some research on Perot, and I like him.  I may even vote for him,
if he continues to display the level of candor he has in the first debate.
Other small party candidates receive no press...this is unfortunate.  But
I intend to vote for a candidate who has a good chance of winning.  I won't
cast a protest vote if it will only serve to detract from Bush's or Clinton's
power base and elect the other of the two.

>     I agree that the two (three?) practicle choices we have aren't good 
>choices.  Not voting or voting for a non-RepubliDemocrat might help change the
>situation.  As long as ballot access is so strictly controlled, we won't get
>any better choices.  Americans are under the ILLUSION that this is a nice,
>friendly democracy.  Russia was often criticized for its one party gov't, and

I'm not.  The three white males up there on the stands the other night do not
accurately represent the incredible plurality of our society and our culture.
We do not have a democracy; we have the shadow of one.

>we have basically 2 parties that aren't all that different.

They are different, but in degree only.
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From: lanier@acpub.duke.edu (Dustin Lanier)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.bizarre
Subject: meaningful messages.
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:17:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1b1mngINNdh1@overload.lbl.gov> inspecti@ux7.lbl.gov () writes:

 >
 >Ray, Kurt, are you paying attention? 

Can I pay attention too?

 >I want both of you to scroll back to the header of this message.  Look 
 >very closely at the line which begins with the word "Newsgroups," 
 >followed by a colon.  This is the line which determines which newsgroup(s)
 >to which a newsgroup is sent.  Often, it serves as a clue as to the 
 >newsgroup from which the message originated.  By "originated," I mean
 >to say "the newsgroup for which the message was originally written."
 >
 >(This is the difficult part, gentlemen.  At this point I would ask you
 >to withold any preconceived notions as to the proper and appropriate
 >modes of expression in a text medium.)
 >
 >In this "Newsgroups:" line is a phrase.  This phrase is "talk.bizarre."
 >I won't attempt to explain the phenomenon which is called "talk.bizarre,"
 >except to say that many forms of expression are allowed in this particular
 >newsgroup. 

That's fine.  but you have not addressed the most clear obvious question:
why should those posts be posted here?  that is a particular newsgroup; this
is an entirely different one.  The whole concept of different newsgroups
did not spring forth from ectoplasmic slime, it was creatd to allow focused
discussions on a specific topic.  I thought about cross listing this into
alt.basket.weaving and alt.bio.tropical but decided against it to reduce 
bandwidth which is the complaint the forementioned people apparently had.
 

 > Please try not to make this mistake again.

Ditto.


 >Sincerely,
 >Matthew Paul Legare
 >Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories

Dustin Lanier
lanier@acpub.duke.edu
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: 300 of who, where and why?
Date: 10 Oct 1992 06:14:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


As much as I appreciate Len Bucuvalas' kind words re LaRouche I 
should set the record straight on a minor point. Although LaRouche
is an economist, arguably the best in the world (IMO), and has 
written numorous books on the subject, he does not have a PhD in the
field. He is self taught.
-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Makeup of the House (was Re: A Technical Request)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington High Energy Physics Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.151330.10743@gvl.unisys.com>, train@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Herbert Rutledge) writes...
>In article <13OCT199208542886@utahep.uta.edu>, sawyer@utahep.uta.edu
> (Lee Sawyer) writes:
> 
>|> D.C does not vote, I believe. 
>|> 
>|> This is an interesting thread - I would like to hear some clarification on D.C.
>|> 
>|>        ================                           
>|>          Lee Sawyer                                  
>|> 
> 
>  Short History of the District O' Columbia:
>[mostly deleted, though it was very good...] 
> 
>  3.  Citizens of the new Federal jurisdiction deprived of the right to
>      vote in the Constitution (which is why a Constitutional Amendment would
>      be required to give them this right).
> 
 Ahhh...so close, but yet so far. Let me be more specific. When the constitution
was in fact amended to allow the residents of D.C. to vote for president, what
provision was made for presidential elections decided in the House of 
Representatives ? Or, since this amendment passed in the sixties, did the 
Congress assume that we would perpetually have the same two party system, 
thus leaving the Columbians voiceless in a (3+)-way race ?

 I will get the answer this evening from my trusty Funk&Wagnells, so
if no one else posts the anser to this conundrum, I will.
> 
> 
>--
> _________________________________________________________________________
>|                                 |                                       |
>| Herbert Rutledge, aka Train     |                                       |
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>| Valley Forge Labs, M/S GVL-3    |  efficiency and northern charm."      |
>| P.O. Box 517, Paoli, PA  19301  |                                       |
>| Internet: train@.gvl.unisys.com |                  ---John F. Kennedy   |
>|_________________________________|_______________________________________|
> 

  Have you read David Brinkley's history of Washington during WW II ? I
highly recommend it - it details Washington's tranformation from a 
backwater to a bureaucratic swamp...

       ================                           
         Lee Sawyer                                  

         Dept of Physics                          
         Univ. of Texas                            
               at Arlington
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 07 Oct 92 05:37 PDT
Subject: Re: Berlet vs. Dallas Morning News  (wa
Nf-ID: #R:3OCT199219125157@utarlg.uta.edu:1896698051:cdp:1299600089:000:408
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Oct  7 05:37:00 1992



Ah shucks, I have had articles in the Boston Globe, Chicago Sun-Times,
and Des Moines Register, so I may be a lefty but I have a heart of gold,
(or at least can be taken seriously in the daily press from time to time.)
(Was Plato the first fascist? Were the Golden Souls the vanguard of the
class autocracy? Are Republics as egalitarian as pluralistic democracies?
Watch for further discussion!) 
:-)
-Chip

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: goodrum@unccsun.uncc.edu (Cloyd Goodrum)
Subject: Re: Re: The Insane Rep. Dornan...
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:12:04 GMT

In article <8140026@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:
>
>    Dornan is also a radical fundamentalist Christian. Has anyone noticed
>that riong he wears? 
>

	Brief semantic nitpick... I'm fairly sure that Dornan is a Roman 
Catholic. So in spite of his religious conservativism, it's not quite 
right to call him a fundamentalist.


Cloyd Goodrum III
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Al Gores "Scintific " proofq
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:23:50 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <14OCT199214051843@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger) writes:
...
>>Gore counters that "a 
>>small number of scientists" argue against his conclusions. But he maintains 
>>that the "insistence on complte certainty" about global warming is an efort 
>>to avoid acting "boldly, decisively,comprehensively, and quickly, even before 
>>we know every last detail about the crisis."
> 
> You're in a getting into your car late at night.  You see a dark 
> shadow moving toward you rapidly from the distance.  Do you start the 
> car and get moving quickly or do you wait until the figure is close 
> enough to identify, at a time too late to keep from being carjacked?

	I pull out my 9mm and blow it's head off. :D

	It depends.  Do dark figures normally come rushing at me?  If there is
a history of this, with "normal" consequences (i.e. animals, bats), then why
panic?

	Yelling "the sky is falling" is pretty common for the past 30 years or
so.  The public has taken the attitude of the villagers to "the boy who cried
wolf".

	Maybe the wolf is coming, but because of past hysteria, we want "proof
positive".

Brett                                                      
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:11:18 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> David A. Byler writes:
>         Now I understand everything.  The National Lawyers Guild is a well
> known Communist front group.  And as we see that our good friend Chip is
> a member, one has to wonder where his sympathies lie.  Of course the far
> left bilge he posts to here is now completely understandable.  Wouldn't
> it be easier for new subscribers (like myself) if everyone writing on
> here gave some sort of hint as to whre they are coming from
> ideologically?  Chip is obviously a communist.  I will admit to being a
> wannabe member of the John Birch Society.
> How about the rest of you?
> Andy Byler


Commies! Commies!  Commies under the bed!  Quick! Let's shoot them now while
we have the chance!  The Red Menace is out to take over the world!
(OOPS, wrong decade, for a moment I thought this was the 1950's)


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world.
mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars
---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page)
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:30:16 GMT

In article <1bcvqjINNc48@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.164325.11596@walter.cray.com> jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll) writes:
|> >1. define "politics of exclusion, division, and fear". give examples.
|> 
|> Willie Horton.  The Nixon "Southern Strategy."  "Family values."  Pat
|> Buchannan's (sp?) "Culture war."  David Duke.  The 1992 Republican
|> Party platform.

You forgot Clinton's "Pro-Choice" and the 1992 Democrat Party platform

|> 
|> >2. define "allow such hatred to rule the day". give examples.
|> 
|> See above.
|> 
|> >3. is Bill Clinton a personal friend of yours?
|> 
|> Never heard of the bum.
|> 
|> 							spl
|> -- 
|> Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
|> UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
|> "Twit twit twit/Jug jug jug jug jug jug/So rudely forc'd./Tereu"
|>                 - T. S. Eliot, "The Waste Land," III. The Fire Sermon
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Summary: Eric - this is God
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:05:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct9.161813.4844@u.washington.edu>, sieferme@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.121809.15258@cbfsb.cb.att.com> colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:
> >> > 
> >> >Wow!  Good question!  Come to think of it:  Bill Clinton,
> >> >where were you on July 30, 1976, the day my stereo 
> >> >was stolen?  Come Clean!!
> >> > 
> >> I think we're on to something here. Could it be that Bill Clinton is 
> >> really the anit-christ (or a liberal, the same thing).
> >> 
> >> >| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
> >> > 
> >> -Garrett
> >
> >perhaps you're kidding, but Randall Terry (of operation resuce)
> >has pretty much said the same thing.  He said a vote for
> >Clinton was a sin against God.   so far  they suggested he's 
> >a liberal, an intellectual, a traitor, - so can "anti_christ" be
> >far behind.  I expect Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to express
> >an opinion on this before the election.
> 
> Next, they might "reveal" that Bill Clinton's
> height is: 6' 6.6".
> 
> Many republicans much less psychotic than Randall Terry
> tried to make a big deal about "god" during the RepConvention,
> including the fact that the Democratic platform refrained
> from invoking any deities.  Over on soc.religion.chrisitan,
> there have been many debates as to whether God allows 
> a christian to vote for (born-again) Bill Clinton.
> 
> I sent out a reguest to God on Usenet several weeks ago,
> asking who He endorses in this campaign.  So far, no response.
> Maybe His mail server is down.
> 
> >marc colten
> 
> 
> -- 
> | Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
> | U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |
> 

Eric:

  This is GOD.  Vote for Clinton, and call your mother occasionally.

		:-)

PS:  If God really is reading these messages - just kidding, okay?
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Al Gores "scintific" proof
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:03:02 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Oct13.031002.20686@muddcs.claremont.edu>, weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.175301.22176@rchland.ibm.com> jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
|> >In article <3V6gsB2w164w@cellar.org>, techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes: 
|> >|> Gore's extremism has gone from being outside the insider-approved issues to 
|> >|> inside. Happily, many competent scientists are labelling his pitch a complee 
|> >|> fraud.           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >
|> >Name three Bill.  And ones that can't spell better than you don't
|> >count!
|> >
|> >Jared "Is someone burning BACON?" Dahl
|> 
|> Off-hand I can't give names, but he is quite right. Doesn't it strike you as 
|> a little extreme for Gore to come to a conclusion on the effect of the clean
|> air based on a brief look at some ice in Antartica? He's also correct about
|> the temperature logs going back 100 years. The only proof I've seen of global
|> warming have been the computer models that you've probably seen before. Well,
|> in case you didn't know, those have been conclusively proved inaccurate. 
|> You'll probably contest that, so I'll tell you that after plugging in data
|> from about 100 years ago to the present, the simulation produced temperatures
|> well in excess of what actually exist. Therefore the simulation is wrong and
|> there is no proof.

I personally don't believe in the theory that humans are
causing global warming.  The last Ice age ended only 
18,000 years ago, and (IMHO) we are still warming up from it.
What I do believe is that we are causing damage so 
inperceptible that we will not see it until it is too
late.  We are rapidly destroying our water supply, 
killing off species, and poisoning our soil.  What 
really offends me is Mr. BACON's assertions that it 
is all a scam.  "Top scientists" is a bunch of crap.
This sounds all too much like the tobacco industry's
claims about cigarettes.


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From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,pa.general,phl.misc,alt.activism
Subject: How you can help save planet earth
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:58:24 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

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   A three step action plan
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-Read the the "resilient Earth" special compilation of Articles from THE New 
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-Help get "The Resilient Earth" message to your friends and associates. Order 
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-Religious leaders
-Educators and school boards
-Student leaders
-Friends and asociates
-Draw on "The Resilient Earth" articles for letters to the editor or cals to 
talk shows on the electronic media.
-Challenge environmetaist initiatives in your community with the facts.
Step 3 Organize! Join with others to build a growing, sustained efort
    The 18th century British statesman Edmund Burke once observed, "When bad 
mn combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an 
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extremely well organized and funded, but we have truth on our side. 
ultimately the truth will prevail-if we make the efort to bring it to light.
   The John Birch Society has provided leadership in exposing the not so 
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------
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The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall)
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Reply-To: eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall)
Organization: Xerox
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:02:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.121809.15258@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:
|> Summary: Randall Terry on Clinton
|> References: <56.X666X@ramona.com> <1992Oct8.203748.6703@u.washington.edu> <1992Oct8.213039.5726@pony.Ingres.COM>
|> 
|> In article <1992Oct8.213039.5726@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM writes:
|> > In article <1992Oct8.203748.6703@u.washington.edu>, sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)   writes...
|> > >In article <56.X666X@ramona.com> doug@ramona.com (Double Agent) writes:
|> > >>Washington, DC (AP) - Mary Matalin, designated Bush campaign attack-bitch,
|> > >>followed up recent charges related to Democratic presidential candidate Bill
|> > >>Clinton's secret meetings in Moscow with high-ranking officers of the KGB by
|> > >>demanding to know why Clinton has no alibi for November 22, 1963, the date
|> > >>of President Kennedy's assassination. Asked Matalin, "why won't Bill Clinton
|> > >>come clean with the American people?"
|> > > 
|> > >Wow!  Good question!  Come to think of it:  Bill Clinton,
|> > >where were you on July 30, 1976, the day my stereo 
|> > >was stolen?  Come Clean!!
|> > > 
|> > I think we're on to something here. Could it be that Bill Clinton is 
|> > really the anit-christ (or a liberal, the same thing).
|> > 
|> > >| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
|> > > 
|> > -Garrett
|> 
|> perhaps you're kidding, but Randall Terry (of operation resuce)
|> has pretty much said the same thing.  He said a vote for
|> Clinton was a sin against God.   so far  they suggested he's 
|> a liberal, an intellectual, a traitor, - so can "anti_christ" be
|> far behind.  I expect Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to express
|> an opinion on this before the election.

Better yet, why doesn't Patty boy run again, with Falwell on his ticket. I love
how these clowns invoke primal fears in people to further their own ends. It would be even
funnier if this moralistic crap didn't fuel the fires of hatred and prejudice. A "sin
against God" indeed.

|> 
|> marc colten

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