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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: robert vaughn blackballed?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:03:25 GMT

In article <BD.92Sep28130111@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland) writes:
>
>>Are you sure you aren't thinking of Cliff Robertson, who found himself
>>unemployed (except by AT&T) for a few years for blowing the whistle on some
>>studio exec who was forging checks to actors (CR included) and cashing them
>>himself?
>
>It's true that CR didn't work for a few years, and it might
>be true that he blew the whistle on the director (I vaguely
>recall the incident, but no names), but what makes you assert
>that item one was a result of item 2?

Cliff Robertson had a reasonably busy career going before he blew the
whistle on the studio exec.  He was told by people he knew to just let
it blow over, not prosecute or testify, or it would harm his career.
He went into the trial knowing that it might hurt his career.  He himself
has later said that his long drought of parts after the incident was
caused by testifying.  So have many others.  In the world of human affairs,
one can rarely say with utter certainty that one action caused another,
but, in this case, it seems highly implausible that Robertson's career
damage didn't relate to his prosecuting one of the old boys.  (An old
boy who's still working in Hollywood to this day, by the way.)

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From: aj671@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (W. Gregory Downs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: SNEAKERS:young Marty Brice?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:47:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj671@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (W. Gregory Downs)
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In a previous article, eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) says:

>
>In a previous article, smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) says:
>
>>Can someone help settle a "discussion"? Was young Marty Brice played by
>>Robert Redford or a younger lookalike?
>>
>A young lookalike.  I don't recall his name, but the resemblance to
>Redford when he was in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is
>down right spooky.
>
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The actor is Gary Hershberger, and he is probably best known for his recurring role
in Twin Peaks.  (He was Mike, Bobby Briggs friend who was dating the amnesiac Nadine
near the end of the series)
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Subject: Obscure actors etc...
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:57:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

ts_rost@pavo.concordia.ca (Tanja Rosteck) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>As for obscure-but-great actors, my vote goes for both Judy Davis and Helena
>Bonham-Carter.

Obscure? Maybe so, but I vaguely knew of Helena Bonham Carter before I
had ever seen her in a movie, probably from reading some movie magazine.


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From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:50:51 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I thought Death Becomes Her was such a movie.  About 1/3 of the way
through I decided that the movie was just hopeless.  It has good acting
jobs by the three main actors, but that cannot save a hopeless story.

I am sure others out there will feel that this movie was okay, but
I thought it was just awful.  I wonder why Meryl S. did the movie!

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From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: "Hero"--Why isn't Chevy Chase credited?
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:58:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Does anyone know why Chevy Chase's name doesn't appear in the credits
of "Hero"? I have some guesses, but would like the real story if anyone
has heard it.


Patty

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From: Marvin Minsky
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: unpublished chapters of "The Turing Option"
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:38:15 GMT
Followup-To: comp.ai.philosophy
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Originator: minsky@media-lab.media.mit.edu

The book has been optioned for movie rights.  Of course, the
probability of this getting anywhere is extremely small.  Anyway, I
have archived two unpublished chapters of "The Turing Option" by Harry
Harrison and Marvin Minsky, published by Warner Books, August 1992.
Use
  ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu  (and then login with name "anonymous")
  cd doc/minsky
  get option.chapters

These chapters have a lot of far-out ideas about how to build a
humanlike machine. Harry Harrison and I have been longtime friends.
One day he said that he liked my book 'The Society of Mind' and
suggested that the ideas could reach a larger audience if I wrote a
version in the form of a novel.  When I said I didn't have the talent
for that, he offered to collaborate.  We decided that the central
character Brian would be a mathematical super-hacker of the future who
would build the first AI with a human-like mind. Harry drafted the
action plot, and I suppled the technical stuff. While our hero is
building his robot (in the year 2023) he is shot in the head by
mysterious criminals who steal the prototype.  This lets us explain
computational aspects of the theory in the context of repairing
Brian's brain, while also explaining psychological aspects in the
context of reconstructing his childhood memories.

A co-author does not have complete control.  These FTP chapters are
part of the text I wrote that did not make it into the published book.
Both Harry and the editor at Warner thought they would slow down the
story too much.  At the time I disagreed, but now I think they were
right.
From: kelley@vet.vet.purdue.edu (Stephen Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Fav Directors
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:30:20 GMT
Organization: S. Peter Pryor Junior College

I agree with many of the others mentioned, but I want to make
sure that Dusan Makavejev gets noted in this thread.

The Man is Not a Bird
Sweet Movie
Montenegro

among others

Steve
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From: ben@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time, so bad it's bad
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:41:21 GMT
Reply-To: ben@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Department of Chemistry, UCLA

If you got gut wrenching laughs over it.  It wasn't the worst film ever
made.  "Unitentional Comedies" are often some of the best films around.
Example: Blue Velvet.  If taken seriously, it's just rude; as a comedy,
it's uproarious (IMO).  Acutally after seeing "Wild at Heart", I am convinced
Blue Velvet was INTENTIONALLY a comedy.

For a truely bad film, try "Blue Monkey" (I've only heard stories....)
or "Barn of the Naked Dead" (Re: old posting).  On second thought, don't.
These movies are so bad, they arn't in the least bit enjoyable.

Ben Hitz
hitz@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu
"The Duck of Death"
(Sorry if anyone is using this handle, I just started...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: daniels@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Daniel Segel)
Subject: Re: Scorsese's "The Age of Innocence"
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:13:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.060757.12396@menudo.uh.edu> st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.120608.4477@desire.wright.edu>, erobinette@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Martin Scorsese's new film
>>"The Age of Innoceence" based on the Edith Wharton novel. I'd like
>>to know A) what it's about, B) the plot synopsis and C) the thechnical credits.
>
>I don't know the answer to A, B, or C....
>
>>Clue me in... 
>
>BUT...
>
>I am a die-hard Scorsese fan, and the news is not good. You've probably already
>heard that the movie is being delayed until LATE 1993 !!
>
>They say that it's running behind and wouldn't make the New Year deadline, so
>it'll be pushed back almost a whole year to help its Oscar Chances.
>
>HOWEVER...I've heard that the real reason is that, so far- the film >sucks<.
>They say 'Marty' just ain't the right director for this type of film.
>
I heard just the opposite - that after seeing a 45 minute rough cut of the
film the producers were so impressed that they gave him more money and extra
time to finish it.

So much for rumors....

>I'll see it regardless. I have faith in Scorsese!

Me too. That's also why I prefer my rumor to yours...

Daniel A. Segel
daniels@zorch.sf-bay.org


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From: spencer@dew.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: THX - Certified Theatre List - June 1, 1992
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:17:50 GMT

I'm rather disappointed to see Loews listed only 3 times (I may have
counted wrong, but that's not very far off from the actual number I'm
sure).

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Always collect lots of data.  It makes it look like you've been doing
something.

From: pamm@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Pam Milligan)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:52:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: whatever-happened-to endings
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies




I think that giving a follow up on characters at the
end of a movie is called telescoping.

One movie that did this was Henry and June. 

Pam



	
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From: dfong@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: please name old animated film!
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:06:43 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I have been after this for YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

PLEASE HELP !!

There was a cartoon movie that was broadcast here in New Zealand
around 1977 late night - I am pretty sure it has not been aired since.
(See...I have been after this for years!!!)


The reason I can't remember the title is because it was a foreign
movie. (And also because I was 7 years old).
I think it was italian or french - probably italian...


The movie went something like this :

It was an animated movie interspered with pieces of live footage.

A composer with bullwhip marches an orchestra of old women into
a theatre, they start playing. An artist who is with them 
starts to draw, and the first animation sequence begins.
This is how the movie is : live - anime - live - anime - etc


Here are some descriptions of the animation which is set to 
beautiful orchestral music - supposedly played by the old women ;-)

  An old bee (!) reminisces about his younger life, flowers turn into
human female breasts and he chases after them and learns that they 
are just a figment of his imagination. very sad.

A cat walks around the remains of a house that has been demolished,
as the cat slinks from the remains of one room to the other,
memories pop up and the cat sees how it used to be - the family
playing eating having fun together- laughing. vey sad.

A female bee is trying to have a quiet lunch out in the fields but this
young human couple 'making out' keep rolling over her daisy flower
'table', very humorous.


That's all I can remember for now.

At the end, the human artist can't stand the tyrannical composer
no longer and draws a fairy princess who comes to life and he
flies away with her.

any ideas ?.

De Fish!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Win Gold Ingots; Take II
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:02:06 GMT

Ooops:

I've been deluged with replies recommending _The Boost_ to me.  I should've 
appended a line to my original message, thusly:

"PS: It's not _The Boost_."

There are similarities, but there are also enough differences that I didn't
think people would be confused.  (Sean Young's character doesn't die in The
Boost, the whole thing wasn't a set-up, she never steals his money, etc.).
Let me try to be more specific about the movie I'm talking about: There's 
this yuppie couple that are casual cocaine users.  One day the guy goes to
make a buy, and his supplier is gone.  Someone else is there, who offers 
the yuppie guy a part-time job selling coke "just for a couple of weeks,
until the supplier gets back." The yup takes it, and his life spirals out
of control. . .both he and his lady end up substance abusers, she sleeps 
with some guy for a fix, steals from him, they break up, etc.  And, as I
said, she dies, I believe from a car bomb.  
I Know some of you have to have seen this.

Anybody?

Kevvy Kev
"Life is always on.  
 It isn't a story.  
 Otherwise, we would all be flat."
  -Stephanie Poleshuck
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <363@mindlink.bc.ca> Rob_Simons@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob  
Simons) writes:
> Not trying to sound _too_ immature, but AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO  
THOUGHT THIS
> MOVIE SUCKED DONKEYS!!!!!????  ...just curious
> 

Instead of simply making silly remarks about it, why not tell
us WHY you think the movie was so bad.  I thought it had a few
flaws, but they were minor. Overall, I liked it quite a bit.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: minnear@ll.mit.edu (Bob Minnear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: "Stranger In A Strange Land" To Be Filmed
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:44:55 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: minnear@ll.mit.edu (Bob Minnear)


In article <1992Oct1.212318.27962@netcom.com>, sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse) writes:
|> 
|> I'm gonna get flamed for this, and if it hadn't happened to me I'd flame too,
|> but for some ungodly reason I *always* heard Harry Morgan's voice as Jubal
|> Harshaw from the minute I picked up the book. Why why why? Now I can't seem
|> to picture anyone else.

I always pictured the guy who played the general in "Good Morning, Vietnam"
as playing Jubal.  He certainly would have the calling everyone "son" bit
down pat...

-- 
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From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies,rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:10:21 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

ttak@quads.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi) writes:
> The thing that contradicts this idea is the part where Deckard
> is confronted by the second male replicant (that is killed by
> Rachel).  He didn't have superior phyical power that replicants are
> expected to have.
> 
> The sad thing about this story is that if Deckard is a replicant,
> he and Rachel are going to have a short lived relationship.  Four
> years was it?
 
  Well, Rachel wasn't physically superior, either, and she has no 
"expiration date".  On the other hand, Roy Baty & Co. were enhanced, and 
had short lives because of that ("We built you the best we could...the 
candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long...")  It's entirely 
possible that Deckard was a replicant, with no enhancement.
 
  My suggestion is that Deckard may have been given the memories of the 
blade runner who was shot by Leon...  That way, they could combine the 
skills of an experienced blade runner with a replicant's thought 
processes...
 
  Or not.  It could also be that Deck is just human.  And when you get 
right down to it, that's the simplest explanation.  The "6 Replicants" 
bit may have just been a slip, from an earlier version of the screenplay, 
that made it into the final cut.
 
 - Mark Hughes (Caves of Steel 509-624-2078)  mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
"I'm either playing the Devil's Advocate with my own messages, or we're 
schizo."
From: buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner CD != Movie Soundtrack
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:41:29 GMT

zippy@cs.brandeis.edu (Patrick Tufts) writes:

>I checked the movie credits - Vangelis composed and *performed* the
>soundtrack for the movie.  The CD is completely different.  Ugh!
>Strings instead of synth destroys the techno-futuristic score.
DETAILS magazine says that Ridley Scott so tormented Vangelis during his 
scoring the film that Vangelis had his revengea nd refused to give them 
permission to release a Soundtrack album.

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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:17:49 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Sep27.210622.8031@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>, by pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel):
>>> a) So Deckard has had his implants retrofitted.
>>This contradicts (b).  Those four points are not separate - all of
>>them point against your theory.
 
> Gee, maybe we should swap a for b. 

Gee, perhaps you should try countering arguments instead of swapping them :-)
 
> Go find me a quote. In the version I have on tape, nothing that Tyrell says 
> indicates that implants CANNOT be retrofitted.

Go look at any biology or psychology text.  It is much harder to
counteract acquired responses than produce new ones on a tabula rasa.

>>> d) Could be part of the experiment
>>Not funny, and not reasonable.
 
> If I'd made a joke I would have used a smiley, and it is not valid dialectic 
> to accuse me of being unreasonable - that is ad hominem. Reply to the argument
> or shut up.

I did. "Reasonable" referred to the argument, not to you.  The
argument is not reasonable in the context of the film, because it
presupposes to much unexplained activity behind the scenes.  Occam's
razor.

>>No.  Roy talks about the policemen in the apartment.
> I think it goes:
> ]"Men?" <nod> "Police Men" <nod> <grimace>
> I don't understand what you read from this scene that bears on the question.

You may be right on that one.

> Ah, so we've come down to the level of "is not" "is too" "is not" ... you have
> yet to prove your assertion - and until you do mine remains valid.

No, they stand on equal footing, unless you can prove that your
insight is a priori deeper or you have the direct connection to Ridley
Scott's intentions.
-- 
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From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: A Breed Apart  (was Re: Rutger Hauer Revisted
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:24:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: chinet.Bv6CLH.Ez4
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

>tesmer@pandora.bio.purdue.edu (John Tesmer) writes:
>
>	Now for the long shot...can anyone picture
>Rutger in what would be a "serious" role (Ladyhawke
>doesn't count!)...or has this already been done?  How
>do you think he would do if he had to go a whole movie
>without disposing of his opponents?

A BREED APART is an interesting little film. I do mean little too,
even though the cast is all-star. Besides Rutger, it also stars
Kathleen Turner, Powers Boothe and Donald Pleasence.

It was made in 1984 and directed by Phillppe Mora. Rutger plays a
Vietnam vet who lives in seclusion on an island deep in the Blue
Ridge mountains. (I forget the lake's name.)
 
Powers Boothe, an adventerous, expert mountain climber, is hired by
billionaire Donald Pleasence to go to this island and steal the
eggs of a pair of American Eagles. (This sort of scenario is not
outrageous. Just a few weeks ago I read an article about a rare bird
egg collector's ring being broken up after a long servellience.
Million/Billionaires collect the strangest things!)

Kathleen Turner plays the owner of a grocery store/gas station on
the mainland, who is in love with Rutger Hauer, even though he's
shy, fighting his own inner demons and has become almost a hermit,
through dedicating his life to learning about and protecting the
wildlife on this island.

Powers Boothe travels to the island and realizes that he can't just
climb the mountain and steal the eggs. He befriends Rutger and falls
in love with Kathleen, and that's when his conscience starts to
bother him.

It's a neat, psychological, thoughtful film about right and wrong,
friendship and ecology. Everytime I mention it I draw blank stares,
which leads me to believe that I'm the only person in the United 
States who's seen it :-).

It's on video, and worth seeking out.


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From: m1nss01@fed.frb.gov (Neil S. Seftor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: My Own Private Idaho
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:05:02 GMT
Reply-To: m1nss01@fed.frb.gov (Neil S. Seftor)
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

Well, I think I went through my own private hell watching this movie,
and I'm wondering if anyone out there has any more clue about this 
movie than I do ...

The only thing I could make out of it (and I don't know what this says
about my state of mental being) is that it has quite a few parallels to
Barton Fink.

	- Neil

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