From: yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga)
Subject: Re: Fightback! the politics and the sums
Reply-To: yar@cluster.cs.su.oz (Ray Loyzaga)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:37:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.041401.15407@trl.oz.au> c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill) writes:
>In the case of Jeff Kennet's government, "little" is the operative word.

Of course the previous government which you seem to support, was able to keep
the people of Victoria happy by borrowing on their behalf so that they could
look like the caring concerned little citizens that they were, now that
meany Jeff K. has to actually make Victoria pay for itself and he will be
know as the bad guy. What exactly do you oppose about the "Kennett reforms"
it sure is easy to play games with this bad-guy stereotype but how about
some specifics??? Nope that would be too hard, and maybe if you did mention
them and they were put in the context of what came before him it might
make you look like a partisan twerp, so it is best to just stick to
the glib remarks.

>> and that the present mindset that
>>favours mediocrity might change for the better.
>
>Thanks for your mindset.

Is the fact that your added zero to this discussion indicative of yours?

>>>We have to keep in mind the definitions of fairness used by the right wing of
>>>politics.
>>
>>I have always wanted to know what economics have to do with "the right wing
>>of politics"? 
>
>You were talking about the word "fair" (in the context of taxation), not
>economics.

No, I was talking economics, you seem to want to concentrate on one
aspect, tax, to show that less progressive is less fair or course this
seem to ignore any other avenue of addressing the "fairness" question.

>>Now lets see, the Communists in Russia are called the "right wing"
>
>Who by?

The press, Yeltsin, every political commentator I have heard.
I guess you must have missed the last few years of Gorbachev, the coup
and the next 18 months Russian independent rule.

>
>>The neo-nazis are called right wing, 
>
>Who by?  Natsi stands for Nationalist Socialist by the way.
Happy Birthday, since I guess you were born yesterday, are you serious?
You don't recognise that Nazi's are known as right wing??? Ok
so they call themselves Nationalist Socialists, big deal, I guess
if they call themselves the National front for the salvation of the
Jewish state, you'll think the Holocaust was a Hollywood invention
you really have to be kidding, or maybe your for real and any
attempt at intellegent reasoning with you is a waste of time?

>>conservatives are generally called
>>right wing (I note that Grahame Richardson says that for the first time
>>the Liberals are the radicals). Now how does your idea of left and right
>>wing equate with economics? 
>
>The point was about fairness, not economics.
But you were judging "fairness" with pseudo-economics.

>Since you are not clear on what right wing means, I will explain how it affects
>taxation.  The most right wing view is that there should be no taxation at all.
> Less right wing is that there should be a certain number of dollars tax for
>each person.  Less right wing still is that tax should be a fixed portion of
>income regardless of income.  Even less right wing is that the proportion of
>tax should increase with income.

Isn't it the "left wing" view that tax should be a flat 100%, no money,
from each according to ability, to each according to need ...
Now doesn't that map onto no tax, since there is no money and therefore
right wing according to your definition?
Or maybe we should forget about "wings" and say that people differ according
to their views on the need for progressive taxation.