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From: sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Violence in FL
Date: 6 Sep 1992 00:31:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep4.031055.28564@udel.edu> hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman) writes:
>
>I am in no way generalizing and saying that everywhere in southern FL is
>violent, with neighbors shooting and looting from each other.  But, from
>a very reliable source, there are areas where people do have to fear for
>their lives and property.
>

No need to convince me - I believe that there are areas where people do
have to fear for their lives and property.  However, why does this come
as shocking?  Sure - it's terrible that there people who are being taken
advantage of at one of the lowest points of their lives - looting, whatever,
etc.  But what makes a disaster area any different than Main Street when
it comes to crime?  Joe Criminal breaks into a house and steals a VCR -
it's called a burglary.  Joe Criminal finds a house flattened by a hurricane
and walks in and takes a VCR - it's called "looting".  What's the
difference?  There isn't any.

I just find it amusing why some people can be so shocked and outraged
at looters and possible shootings after a disaster, as if the area becomes
some sort of "sacred ground" following the disaster.  Yeah, looting and
shootings are terrible things, but do you know what goes on in an average
day just up the coast in Miami (hurricane or not)?! - well, start with
drug dealing, stabbings, car theft, cold-blooded shootings.  Things that make
something like looting seem pretty trivial by comparison.  It's important
to keep a perspective about things.

Greg Sherwin
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      gregs@slc.slac.stanford.edu & sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu
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From: tavernin@rd1.interlan.com (Victor Tavernini)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Monkey Jungle
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:07:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1992Sep2.123607.317@access.digex.com>, huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
|> _The Washington Post_ carried an article on damage to Miami's Metro Zoo,
|> but so far I have seen no mention of Monkey Jungle.  Does anyone on the
|> scene have a report?  (Thanks in advance)
|> 
|> For those who've never heard of it, Monkey Jungle is one of the best
|> attractions in the South Miami area.  "The humans are in cages while the
|> monkeys run wild."
|> 
|> -- Herb Huston

Destroyed (along with Parrot Jungle ... :-(

Victor Tavernini
Racal-Datacom, Inc.

tavernin@rd1.interlan.com
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: mxa2677@usl.edu (Axelrod Michael)
Subject: Re: Insurance ripoffs--the fun is just beginning
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.165621.7189@usl.edu> cab6944@usl.edu (Brasseaux Carl A) writes:
>Here in Louisiana, the insurance companies are doing everything they 
>can to rip off hurricane victims.  In my case, they are offering to
>compensate me only 1/4 the value of my roof, even though the insurance
>company's own adjuster recommended full replacement at the company's
>expense.  My neighbor across the street from me can't even get State
>Farm to send an adjuster to examine his roof damage.  You folks out
>there who have home-owners' insurance with Horace Mann or State Farm
>might want to think twice when you get a renewal notice.
>

Sorry to hear that Carl.  I have State Farm from an agent in Crowley
and they wrote me a check for about 1/3, and will pay the other 2/3
upon completion.  The adjuster was here Tuesday (9/8/92), but my agent
has been on the phone to me a couple of times, just to let me know that
they would get to me as soon as possible.  The damage to my roof was
not extensive, so I figured it would take quite a while before they got
to me. (Lafayette)

--
Michael J. Axelrod
mikey@usl.edu
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From: jackie8@pyuxe.uucp (25853-brady)
Subject: Up w/Downs Syndrome Family in Dade County
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:21:16 GMT

I was wondering if anyone would know if the house
run by the Geraldis (I believe that's their last
name) was affected by the hurricane.  Camille Geraldi
and her husband run a non-profit org called "Up with
Downs Syndrome" in their home for approx 21 children.
They were recently on Geraldo and last year they were
featured on 20/20. They run their home without the governments
funding and rely totally on donations. 

Unfortunately I don't have their address.  I know their
phone number begins with 305-252, but I don't know the rest
of it.  I didn't pay enough attention to the address given
the other day on Geraldo. 

If anyone has any information on this family and their address
where donations can be sent, please post. This woman and her
husband are unbelievable people who have given up a lot of
themselves to help other families.

Thanks.
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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: NOVA Captures Hurricane Andrew in Progress
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:01:00 GMT

Wasn't it dark when the hurricane hit Florida?
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: bb@generali.harvard.edu (Brent Byer)
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew Ravages South Florida
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:58:50 GMT
Organization: Textware, Cambridge, MA

In article <6129@transfer.stratus.com> dennist@sw.stratus.com (Dennis Tetreault) writes:

>I heard Kuwait has sent $10,000,000 cash to Fla/Louisiana areas for the
>rebuilding effort.

Readers might be interested to know that the reason that Kuwait
made the donation was that they were goaded into it.
Bruce Williams, a popular (national) radio talk show host, took
15 minutes from his show to deliver a little soliloquy on
"You owe us one", aimed specifically at Kuwait, Saudi Arabia,
and the United Arab Repub.  He broadcast the phone numbers of
their embassies, and suggested that listeners phone them.
This was Monday evening (31 Aug).

I expect the other fat cats to cough up soon.

  Brent Byer   (Miami Palmetto High, 1964)

PS  Back in those days (early-60's), there were only three high schools
    in all of south Dade county: Gables, Palmetto, & Homestead.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Preventing hurricanes
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:38:46 GMT

In article <2SEP92.11441176@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) wrote:
>>(There is nothing wrong with living
>
>1.  S Florida, LA          1992  (Andrew)       $30,000,000,000
>2.  Charleston             1989  (Hugo)           7,000,000,000
>3.  S Florida, LA          1965  (Betsy)          6,321,225,000
>4.  NE US                  1972  (Betsy)          6,279,000,000
>5.  MS, AL                 1969  (Camille)        5,128,727,000
>6.  NE US                  1955  (Diane)          4,108,598,000
>7.  New England            1938                   3,515,940,000
>8.  AL, MS                 1979  (Frederic)       3,427,000,000
>9.  Houston, Galveston     1983  (Alicia)         2,340,000,000
>10. NE US                  1054  (Carol)          2,318,830,000
>

I wonder what the cost would be today for #2 - #10 using
1989 dollars?

Dave


-- 

Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093

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From: ibarrac@kzin.fiu.edu (Carlos A. Ibarra)
Subject: Re: NOVA Captures Hurricane Andrew in Progress
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:07:15 GMT

In article <15SEP199208012253@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> Wasn't it dark when the hurricane hit Florida?

I leave in west Miami.
I was looking out the window throughout the hurricane. There was so much
lightning that sometimes the scene out the window would stay lit for
several seconds. It came in bursts of green fire, and I could see the
trees buffeted by the wind. It is quite possible that a video camera could
capture quite a bit of footage.
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Subject: Re: Monkey Jungle
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:21:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.123607.317@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>_The Washington Post_ carried an article on damage to Miami's Metro Zoo,
>but so far I have seen no mention of Monkey Jungle.  Does anyone on the
>scene have a report?  (Thanks in advance)
>

Monkey Jungle was for all intents and purposes destroyed.  I think that 
the animals are (mostly?) OK, but the buildings and "jungle" are gone.
An early report from the owners is that they plan to rebuild, but we'll
have to see what happens.

A rundowm on some other "attractions" in the disaster area:

Orchid Jungle - destroyed (owners also said they plan to rebuild)

Parrot Jungle - largely intact, plan to re-open this week

Coral Castle - building intact, but all trees down

Deering estate - Main building intact, the Inn heavily damaged, much damage
                 to the trees (all royal palms were stripped of fronds), 
                 mangroves destroyed, etc.  Will (probably) be closed 
                 for months

Viscaya - little damage to the house; significant damage to the gardens
          and breakwater; the mangroves and hammocks surrounding the
          property were badly damaged or destroyed; will (probably) be 
          closed for months

Seaquarium - no major damage; a few sharks and other large fish lost due
             to loss of pumps

Cape Florida State park - devastated (all trees and buildings down) except
                          for the lighthouse, which is intact (they knew
                          how to build back in 1822 :-))

Biscayne National Monument - reefs badly damaged (in general, all the
                             reefs in the storm area were damaged; 
                             the artificial reefs (sunken ships, etc.)
                             were moved, broken up, etc.)

Metrozoo - severe damage; aviary destroyed (it was supposedly "hurricane
           proof" - ha); most buildings damaged; monorail damaged; only
           a couple of animals lost, except for heavy loss of birds from
           the aviary (300 lost or killed - some are apparently turning
           up within the grounds and I assume attempts are being made
           to catch them).

If there is anything I didn't mention that is of particular interest,
email me or post and I will attempt to find out about it for you.

ted
-- 
Ted Goldblatt    ted@telematics.com     (305) 351-4367
    Telematics Intl., Inc.   Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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From: dthomas@bilbo.encore.com (Daniel J. Thomas)
Subject: RE: Violence in FL
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:16:19 GMT
Keywords: 
 

Having been down to the area between Homestead and Cutler Ridge twice driving 
around distributing food, I have witnessed no violence.  The 1st trip was on
the Sun. after the hurricane.  We travelled to some of the poorest apartments
and gov. housing areas in Homestead and FL. City.  and were welcomed with open
arms.  No weapons were displayed by any of the populace.  We received no threats from anyone.  That day we drove around in convoys of 3 to 8 vehicles.  By the
way, our last run was to the Miccosukee indian reservation on U.S. 41.  They
appeared to be receiving donations - a whole gymnasium was filled with food and
water.  A semi was unloading water while we were there.  Not knowing their
population I really can't say whether this was sufficient.  From news footage
I see that the military has donated tents for the overflow from the gymnasium.

This past Sat.  myself and a friend from work drove down again.  This time we
struck out alone in my pick-up.  We didn't feel like we were reaching enough
people as part of a convoy.  In particular we wanted to take a load to one
family in Goulds who we know from work and who lost their farm.  Every time
we asked for directions, we ended up giving some supplies away.  Finally, when
we realized that we probably wouldn't find them, we ended up in a really rough
neighborhood in Goulds distributing the food in front of the neighborhood "crack" dealers.  They eyed us kind of warily at first, but then once they 
realized that we were there to help, they came over to the truck and helped
themselves to a few items (thankfully my pickup truck was not one of those).
Again, they treated us well and thanked us profusely.  I would imagine that
everything changes once the sun sets, but people have no reason to be down
there then (unless they live there) anyway.

Anyone planning on going down to help should carry several cans of fix-a-flat
type product - some to distribute and a couple for yourself.  I used 1 can on
Sat. and distributed about 7 more.  Flat tires are keeping a lot of people
from going out and getting things for themselves.  Anyone considering donating
or shipping tire sealant products keep in mind that most of them are flammable.

					Dan Thomas
					Encore Computer Corp.
					Fort lauderdale Fl.

Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Violence in FL
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:10:55 GMT


Just to verify from the start, yes I am the one who made the initial 
statement that got everyone upset.

I was just talking to my friend in FL who is VERY involved in the pet
relief work, working closely with the humane societies (I'm not sure 
which ones) down there.  She hears first hand accounts from people who
have been there, and people who live very near there.

As to her reliability, she's not a "flake", in fact she's ex-military 
and ex-police.  

She said that many neighborhoods are handling the disaster incredibly well,
with neighbors helping neighbors, and no looting or violence.  But there
are others (she specifically mentioned South of Cutler Ridge as one) where
people are shooting other people, and the looting is terrible.  They
are frightened to even drive near many of the areas.

She also verified that 2 humane society workers have, in fact, been shot.
But, it is purposefully not being publicized.

She also said that for the most part, most military/police efforts are
being centralized in certain areas, primarily Homestead.  And that all the
pictures we are seeing on TV are from the "Safe" areas, where the reporters
are allowed.

I am in no way generalizing and saying that everywhere in southern FL is
violent, with neighbors shooting and looting from each other.  But, from
a very reliable source, there are areas where people do have to fear for
their lives and property.

Also, since these people aren't receiving enough aid, there's also a lot of 
stories coming back about horses and pets becoming "dinner".  Which I guess
is probably more humane than letting the poor animals starve to death, but
still, it shouldn't have to be that way.

Anyway, for what it's worth, that's what *I* heard about the situation.
*I* think its a reliable source, and *I* believe that its true in
the areas she's familiar with.  You make your own judgements.

- Nancy

-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
Newsgroups: alt.hurricane.andrew
From: hcooper@javelin.sim.es.com (Harrison Cooper)
Subject: Did anyone save GIF files of it?
Summary: Looking for ftp site
Keywords: GIF
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:05:54 GMT

I have seen several posts requesting them, but I have yet to see any
replies - so, I too am looking for GIF files of Andrew.  My son would
like to take them to school (hardcopies) as well.

Thanks in advance

Harrison

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Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
From: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger)
Subject: Architecture newsgroup
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:55:53 GMT

Hi,
I just wanted to let everyone know that a new newsgroup for topics
relating to architecture is (hopefully) forming. The proposal is now
on alt.config and any and all comments are great. In fact, just saying
that you are interested in it helps by showing that there is interest.

thanks,
chris
From: Wendi Kallins <wkallins@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Date: 08 Sep 92 17:43 PDT
Subject: Re: planning for people
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug29.161044.26347@nic.umass:-1066974205:cdp:1665900003:000:1222
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!wkallins    Sep  8 17:43:00 1992


Well, this is an interesting discussion.  I have been waiting for some
meaty planning discussions and that's why I joined a network.  However,
lets not get too caught up in gutting transportation planning.  Some of 
my best friends are transportation planners.  Of course one architect 
friends points out that letting a transportation engineer design you 
city is like having a plumber design your house.  

As far as habitable building is concerned check out Co-housing: A 
Contemporary Approach to Housing Ourselvse by McCammant and Durrett, 
Ten Speed Press.  Also Shared Living Resource Center, 2375 Shattuck Ave.
Berkeley, CA 94704.  I think you will find them both of use.  Also - 
Pattern Language by Christopher Alexander.  It is the bible on human
scale use of spaces.  It's about that thick too.  Look forward to more
conversing on this conference

A couple more addresses: Charles Durrett/Kathryn McCamant (co-housing), 48 Shattuck Square #15, Berkeley, 947[C
48 Shattuck Square #15, Berkeley CA 94704, phone: 510-549-9980, also
Cerro Gordo - an experimental community in Ore[Cgon based on the teachings
of Christopher Alexander - Doreno Lake Box 569, Cottage Grove, OR 97424

Good Luck

Wendi Kallins @Econet
From: lancer@hongkong.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Subject: Re: Pedestrian Pockets
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:51:52
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: hongkong.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: Wendi Kallins's message of 08 Sep 92 17:47 PDT

>>>>> "wkallins" == Wendi Kallins <wkallins@igc.apc.org> writes: Nf-ID:
wkallins> The best person to contact is Peter Calthorpe

Does he have net access?  Anyone know?  I've been following his work for a
while now, ever since I first read about Pedestrian Pockets in the Whole
Earth Review.  I think he's finally got the "New Town" idea right...

.s.
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-     Because you can't afford not to make the left decision     -
From: Wendi Kallins <wkallins@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Date: 08 Sep 92 17:47 PDT
Subject: Pedestrian Pockets
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1665900004:000:409
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!wkallins    Sep  8 17:47:00 1992


The best person to contact is Peter Calthorpe who coined the term, 
Pedestrian Pocket.  His offices are in the East Bay, I believe, but
he may be in San Francisco.  Also, check out the spring issue of 
Utne Reader, which talks about Calthorpes work and a couple of 
planners in Florida who are doing the same thing.  Calthorpe is 
currently doing a design for a new town outside of Sacramento.
 Wendi Kallins

Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
From: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sean M O Donnell)
Subject: Re: Pedestrian Pockets (was Re: Transit villages)
Originator: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:57:08 GMT

From article <LANCER.92Sep4160611@emilio.WPI.EDU>, by lancer@emilio.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett):
>>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Priven <fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu> writes:
> Aaron> Hi.  The Oakland local paper recently had an article on
> Aaron> transit villages -- transit-centered high-density development.
> 
> I believe another name for these are "Pedestrian Pockets".  High-density,
> small area villages centered around commuter-rail lines.  There was a
> conference about them a few years ago and a book produced after called "The
> Pedestrian Pocket Book"  It's on Princeton Press.
> 
> Anyone know more about these?  Were they built?  If so, were they

Peter Calthorpe, of Calthorpe Associates in San Fransico, is the most
visible proponent of Pedestrian Pockets -- I believe he coined the term too.
The most recent information that I have states that Laguna West, a Pocket-
influenced new village master planned by Calthrope Associates, has its
infrastructure under construction, the municipla buildings in the design
phase -- whether this means schematics, d.d.'s or c.d.'s, I don't know --
and that land sales to builders have begun.  This info. is of July 1991 and is from 
a book that is published by the US Department of Transportation entitled, 
The New Suburb.  There is a companion booklet that is entitled, Guidelines for
Transit-Sensitive Suburban Land Use Design.  The both were written by the
Center for Urban Transportation Studies and the School of Architecture and 
Urban Planning at the University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee.

Calthorpe has also crated a series of guidelines for Transit-oriented 
Development's (TOD's) which might be available now, if someone knows for
sure, I'd like to hear about it.  And, a Calthorpe planned community was
recently cancelled in Florida due to a lack of funding from the developer, I
think.

Sean

> successful?  Please post more info!
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