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From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: Re: Reminisce
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:05:18 GMT


I am not stev0@sti.com (Steve Berlin).  I didn't say:
>Now, what *I* think is interesting is that I've yet to hear of anyone
>becoming a Katefan through what most of us consider to be here best
>album - The Dreaming.

my first kate exposure was seeing the video for "suspended in gaffa" on mtv
back in 1982.  i didn't like it.

later, i heard "running up that hill" on the radio and thought it was cool.
then i saw a bunch o' videos on V66 (anybody from boston remember that?),
one of which was "the big sky."  i had to go buy hounds of love
immediately.  i didn't like it.  except for RutH and TBS.

then i started reading love-hounds (received at my university's computer as
"never for ever"!!) and i wondered what all these people were talking about,
re the 9th wave.  it never made any sense to me (although i liked playing
waking the witch on my radio show to freak out the audience).  so i went
back and started investigating and the rest is history.

here endeth the lesson.

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from love-hounds to rec.music.gaffa; Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:14:44 EST
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:10:50 -0500
Subject: //// Cloudbusting Annotated Lyrics PART I - (THE SONG) ////
From: rhill@netrun.cts.com (ronald hill)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Comments: Cloudbuster
Message-ID: <cZwsTB1w165w@netrun.cts.com>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston
Apparently-To: gaffa-post@eddie.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

I'm listening to Wuthering Heights right now so excuse any mistakes as the
importance of this letter is second to the music :-). I like retrosepctive
threads like this too! OK, the first time I ever heard Kate was in September,
I believe, of 1990. I *really* liked "The Sundays" 1st album RW&A and the
Indigo Girls 1st album so asked her to copy them from her CD deck to tape. To
fill the extra space at the end (90 min tape) on both sides, she included some
Kate Bush songs. I guess she figured that whoever liked the prev. groups would
also enjoy the harmonies of Kate. I really get into emotional, melodic music
so I was hooked instantly.

The first songs of hers I heard (on The Sundays side) were,
Deeper Understanding - which I related to very much (sigh!), Wuthering Heights
(which gave me goosebumps) and The Man with the Child in His Eyes. Second
side (Indigo Girls) had This Womens Work. I found it
refreshing to come to know that the song I used to hum on the previews of
the movie was a creation of Kate's. Needless to say I ran out to get "The
Sensual World". 

I'm sad to admit that I haven't picked up any more of her albums. But 
have heard some songs from them so am not totally lost. I guess I get
depressed every now and then when I find out that I could have been listening
to these songs long ago, but failed to get them since I did not know who
she was. So i'm off tomorrow to get a few of them. Probably, Kick Inside,
Hounds of Love, Lioneheart?, The Dreaming?. Which do you recommend that I
start with... is the prev. order OK do you think, in progression?

I think Kate's music (the stuff I heard) is very wonderful,powerful,thought
provoking, and compels introspection. Along with Kate, I *really* enjoyed
BOTH albums from "The Sundays" and ALL of the songs from the Indigo Girls
1st album and most from successive albums. To me it seems that this music
has alot in comparison and is very powerful and uplifting (kinda). Do a lot 
of you people also like "The Sundays" and "Indigo Girls" along with Kate? I'd
like to know this, because for me I loved this music the very first time I
heard it. For some reason it's hard to get sick of it, after a little break
I always find myself blasting it (as good as my puny stereo can output) over
and over again. Especially when I first heard it!

I'm hopefully going to see the Indigo Girls on Dec. 4 at Brandeis University.
I can't wait until The Sundays start to tour. I saw them 2 years ago at the
Citi in Boston, now Avalon I think. Hopefully Kate will tour as well, does
anyone have info on Kate or The Sundays?

What other kind of music, like the previous, do you think i'd like? I enjoy
Tori Amos and the 10000 Maniacs, but I just can't get into them like Kate,
The Sundays... and The Indigo Girls. Minus a few of the Indigo Girls songs
which just got a little to religiously oriented for me.

Well, I think this is enough for now, Thanks!

-Mark

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From: mason@netcom.com (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: new Coil CD
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:00:21 GMT

vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen) writes:
: Has anyone got the new mail-order-only Coil album? (Sorry, I can't remember
: the title...) I got a note from them saying that it's (finally) availiable,
: but I would like to hear some opinions before I order it. I haven't heard much
: older Coil, but I like the Love's Secret Domain CD and The Snow EP. Is the new
: one in that vein? 

To get this conversation back to the original post, yes, the new
mail-order-only release is available, they sent me my copy last week
or so.  It's called "Stolen and Contaminated Songs," catalog # LOCI CD 4.
It's a limited-edition of 2000 copies, not available in stores.  Their
flyer says they will press 1000 LP copies as well due to demand.  The
CD has *NO* information on it at all -- no title, no band name, no
song listing, no words at all; just artwork, similar to the stuff on
"Love's Secret Domain."  It's got about 15 songs as I recall, some
of them remixes of stuff from LSD.  The others are pretty experimental
in nature, somewhat like bits off "Gold is the Metal."  All are
instrumental, aside from a few sampled bits of speech; no lyrics.
I've only listened to it once or twice so far, but I like it.  If you
want one I recommend moving very quickly -- mine's #890.

Send 11 pounds by IMO or cash to Threshold House, BM/Codex,
London WC1N 3XX for a copy (CD or vinyl, same price).  The
vinyl only has 45 minutes of music instead of 65 of course.
For postage, add 1.50 pounds in UK, 2 pounds Europe, 4 pounds
to US, 5 pounds to Japan.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: DICKENJD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Orpheus)
Subject: Re: F... Ministry!!
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:49:24 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Nov10.092514.12115@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> visentd@ghost.dsi.unimi.it writes:

> Fuck off MINISTRY!!!!
> Yesterday night, they didn't play in Italy because on their opinion
> there were few persons for them!!!
> They are not honest and professional.
> Some guys made about 1000 KM. !!!! to see them on stage.
> It's a shame!!
	Don't take this as a flame, but I have found that most stories
circulated about _WHY_ a certain band has canceled a show are, for the
most part, bunk. There are a lot of reasons shows can be canceled, but
as a general rule, the public tends to think that the band has flaked
out. I'm not defending Ministry, but stating the facts. 

> 
> Davide
> 
> psalm69psalm69psalm69psalm69psalm69psalm69psalm69psalm69
> 


   dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu| (Orpheus / J. David Dickens)
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  | Sound/Word/Image/Thought |  Do What Thou Wilt Shall be The |
  | Creator and Engineer     |         Whole of The Law        |
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From: nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine)
Subject: Re: Foetus and Ministry lyrics wanted !
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:31:19 GMT

jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic) writes:
>check out his side projects - wiseblood (with roli mosimann), steroid
BTW, if anyone would like to post Wiseblood lyrics, hey great.
I've never been able to figure out all of _O-O_.

>maximus (all instrumental), clint ruin and lydia lunch (lydia was his
>girlfriend at one point)...
Lydia Lunch has been everyone's girlfriend at one point, bless her
soul.
-- 
Jacques A. Vidrine...	   |
nectar@world.std.com	   | A man can be happy with any woman,
			   | as long as he does not love her.  
Request my PGP public key  |		- Wilde
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:40:28 -0500 
From: Jason Nathaniel Cohen <jcas+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The election
	<BxJ136.Cs2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

 
In article <BxIops.E00@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lmn52210@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ramona) wr
ites:
>Ian MacCulloch was prevented from touring in the United States by
>this "artistic merit" thingy.  I know not many of you are the least
>bit irked by this, but it's the principle of the thing.
>
>
>					    Ramona
>
 
 
 
Wrong!  This is, quite simply, incorrect.  No one (provided they
meet legal standards, fill out the appropriate forms, and pay the
necessary fees) is prevented from performing in the U.S.  College
radio executives, fueled by clueless college radio stars who didn't
bother to complete the necessary forms, consistantly rant about 
this, claiming it as censorship.
 
If I wanted to go to another country to visit and make money, I 
would fully expect to have to go through a bit of paperwork to
legalize such a venture.
 
 
 
 
 
			 M a t t h e w  N.  S h a r p
			 matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu ---- elsewhere
 
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From: M A T T H E W  N.  S H A R P
Subject: General Guidelines for Posting to Make Friends and Seem Intelligent
Followup-To: alt.newbie,rec.music.industrial,alt.geek,misc.test
Originator: sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Keywords: manners hints friendly
Organization: Center for Industrail Cultrue[tm]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:41:35 GMT



Watching the recent (did I say "recent"?  I meant "Watching all the
postings") trend towards Confrontation in this newsgroup, I felt
we all needed to get a new "feel" for what the purpose of this
newsfroup is, and how we can best achieve that purpose.


	G U I D E L I N E S   F O R    P O S T I N G   T O    R . M . I

		by Matthew Neill Sharp

	Purpose of the group:  Many people are under the faulty
	 impression that the purpose of this newsgroup is the
	 exchange of information pertaining to Industrail Cultrue.
	 This is, of course, incorrect.  The purpose of this group,
	 as well as most other groups, is to function as the cathartic
	 outlet for hundreds of angry young people.  With this in mind,
	 it is much easier to lay down a set of Guidelines that will
	 further this purpose, and lead to greater efficiency among
	 its readers.

	Guidelines

	1.  Always State Your Opinion As Fact.
	    Never use the phrase "I think" or "I feel."

	2.  Make Sure That You Disagree With As Many People As Possible.
	    It is sometimes difficult to accept a viewpoint
	    other than your own simply for the sake of argument,
	    but it _must_be_done_.

	3.  Attack Other Users Whenever Possible.
	    a) Use profanity as frequently as possible.
	    b) Use colorful metaphors for the Victim's stupidity.
	    c) Attack the spelling errors of the Victim.
	    d) Attack logical fallacies.
	    e) Never attack the substance of the Victim's message.
	       Do not grace it with response.
	    f) Refrain from using RESERVED WORDS (such as "Geek",
	       which I have a monopoly on).
	    g) Use the phrase "Get A Life" frequently, ignoring
	       the fact that you _yourself_ most likely have no life
	       to speak of, and are sitting home on Saturday night,
	       posting to a newsgroup which discusses people you
	       have never met.
	    h) Always claim to be the spokesman of a general consensus
	       against someone.

	4.  Pretend That You Are Wise and Well-Travelled.
	    
	5.  Post With Very Little (If Any) Appropriate Material.

	6.  Use "Smileys" As Often As Possible, And Whenever They Are Not
	    Needed.  This insults people's intelligence quite nicely.
	
	7.  Delete Pertinant Information To Which You Are Responding.

	8.  If Possible, Do Not Include Any Of The Original Message.






Follow these rules.


Do not question me.


Do as I say.



Matthew Neill Sharp
matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Stein/Einsturzende Neubauten
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:46:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.064051.14324@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> scupin@rintintin.Co
orado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND) writes:
>Any idea exactly what Die Hamletmaschine is?  is it from an actual
>play, or are they just reading bits of it?  I'm surprised someone
>else has heard of it....
>
>coprophiliac
>scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu


 From what I gather, a play is being recited. Blixa is one of the
reciters. (Heiner Mueller is the author.) In the background, EN plays very
EN sounding noise/music. This music seems to be themes for each character.
Ophelia's theme is particularly awesome.(I find that my ability to
undestand spoken German has become more acute through listening to the
German bands that I listen to...)

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: Current 93?
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 12:51:20 GMT

djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Don Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.125913.21541@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( ) writes:
>}
>}I just bought C93's "Looney Runes" and loved it.  Is this type of stuff normal
>}for them, or did I just hit jackpot?  Which other albums should I rush right
>}out and buy if I liked this one?
>}

>Well, as of late you won't hear that kinda stuff coming from Current 93.
>But, I don't think thats a bad thing at all.... Dave's accoustic work
>is incredible.   I really dig the noise too though, Pick up "Crooked
>Crosses for the Nodding God" or "Dog's Blood Rising" and give them 
>a listen. You won't find anything exactly like "Looney Runes",
>that may because its a live recording though...

'Dawn' is also a nice release if you like 'Dog's Blood Rising'. Also, if
you are into the acoustic 'C93', listen into 'Thunder Perfect Mind', which 
is also quite good (nice lyrics ;-). 
Further recommendations: Nurse With Wound 'Spiral Insana', 'The Sylvie
And Babs Hifi Companion', Death In June 'Nada' and '...when the symbols 
shatter'. 

Adrian
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alh@einoed.in-berlin.de   Berlin 36. Tel.: 030/611 31 26,  Fax.: 030/611 32 86
  "On a day such as this you should insist on more than the truth" -Pere Ubu
From: johhog@Oslo.docs.uu.se (Johan H|gberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:20:53 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: oslo.docs.uu.se

Mark.Wagner@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Mark Wagner) writes:

>In some Nettwerk newsltter c(bar)evin key thanks all the people in the
>computer networks for compiling a list of the sources of samples in SP
>songs.  Is this the network to which he refers, and if so, how to I get
>the list?

>I vaguely recall somebody mentioning a lyric db.  Is there such I thing
>and can I anonymous FTP it?

>mark wagner


The node wich holds musical information is cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4).
There's a lot of Skinny Puppy information including the sample identification list
you're talking about.
Files can be fetched via anonymous ftp as usual.
The directories to search in is /pub/music/discog and /pub/music/lyrics
 
/Johan Hogberg
From: mason@netcom.com (Mason Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Theory about rec.mus.ind
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:07:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov10.070733.4587
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

jaa@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Ambrose) writes:
: 
: After reading responses to such posts as "letter to Bill Clinton", "NIN"
: and other similiar ones I have come to a conclusion.  You may already know
: this, but I am gonna say this anyway.
: 
:  There are a few  kinds of people on his board. The Knowing, the think they
: know, and the totally clueless.

I imagine you're about right as far as the division of people goes; but
unfortunately your categories betray a very subjective, attitude-laden
opinion about what the categories mean.

There are:	1. People who know little about industrial music.
		2. People who know about current industrial music
		   and like it (Nitzer Ebb, S.P., etc).
		3. People who know about 'real' industrial music
		   and like it.
		4. People who know about 'real' industrial music
		   and don't like it.

There are obviously people who know about current industrial music
and don't like it, but 90% of the time they're type 3, so I
figured I wouldn't clog up things with another category.

Note that the above pretty much divides the same way your categories
do, but these don't make value judgments about the people.  As
many people here know, I don't consider NiN, Puppy, Ebb, F242 and
the like to be industrial bands.  I go along with the majority
opinion in the interests of reducing confusion (and I admit that
words change meaning, especially when they're musical categories),
but I'm in the Non, Esplendor Geometrico, Merzbow crowd.  I don't
consider fans of F242 to be "people who think they know," however.
You're asking to be flamed and you deserve it.

: 	Then there are people who post things about what Tibet 93 is going
: to do next week or if anyone has the first release from Throbbing Gristle
: for sale. They know things like.. the term industrial was originally meant
: for bands like Throbbing Gristle(scince they started  the "Industrial
: Records" record label), Current 93, Nocturnal Emissions and so forth.      
: These  people are  in the "Knowing" category.

And you're not one of them, since Current 93 had nothing whatsoever
to do with Industrial Records, and Nocturnal Emissions likewise
belong to the "2nd wave" along with Einsturzende, Test Dept and the like.

Keep trying, though; and at least your post was interesting.


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From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: The Quake - Flame slightly retracted
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 14:25:26 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I've just been informed / corrected by a knowledgable and trustworthy soul
that The Quake had nothing to do with booking The Village People.

Granted that, I still despise The Quake and it's owner for what he said
in the recently published article in the Guardian a few weeks ago. Basically
he said that local bands are violent, don't draw and his attitude was,
fuck 'em, we want stupid yuppies who will follow blindly and pay us lots
of money. His attitude unfortunately might get his new "Quake" closed down
faster then he can shit after eating 12 Ex-Lax bars...

He also says he will only book out of town acts that are big. So I petition
we get GG Allen to play at his club. Doesn't the Quake owner know that
GG Allen tought the Village People everything they know? GG Allen is like
a cross between U2, Depeche Mode, Pearl Jam and Nirvana Mr. Quake owner so
go book him today!

---<X>orcist

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From: kf03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KAREN LORRAINE FULTZ)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry concert in Amsterdam
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:37:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov8.215907.29532@fwi.uva.nl>, heederik@fwi.uva.nl (Robbert Heed
erik) writes:
>Forgot to mention thay Ministry also played Supernaut.
>Is that a Pailhead song?
>
>Bye,   Robbert
>--
>//// So there was only one    // Robbert Heederik  // heederik@fwi.uva.nl     /
>/// thing that i could do    // Heiligeweg 26/28  // Faculty of Mathematics  //
>// was ding a ding dang     // 1012 XR Amsterdam // and Computer Science    ///
>/ my dang a long ling long // The Netherlands   // University of Amsterdam ////
>
IS THAT A PAILHEAD SONG???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR YOUR GENERAL
INFORMATION IT IS A BLACK SABBATH SONG THAT AL FUCKING STOLE AND REMADE WITH
1000 HOMO DJ'S. NOT THAT I LIKE BLACK SABBATH OR ANYTHING. BUT GET WITH THE
PROGRAM.
-- 
 
                                         - NO WHERE NEAR THE AVERAGE
 
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