From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ac.1992Apr12.123401.4989
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr9.185513.15773@news.iastate.edu>, mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.222530.4909@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>In article <1992Apr3.015939.9975@news.iastate.edu>, mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker) writes:
>>What was that something? In which edition of Time? What was the name of the
>>article? I could say the same thing, except state that the greeks won, but
>>without proper references, I'm going to have a hard time making myself heard.
> 
> Okay, I went to the library.  I am wrong.  My apologies. The article
> in question is from v 135 pages 64-5 April 16 1990.  It is entitled
> something like, ``The war against the greeks.''  What the article does
> state is that Middlebury College in Vermont has made single sex
> organizations against university rules.  There is a photo of 2 or 3 of
> the 16 new female pledges to Sigma Epsilon eating pizza.
> 
> It is my belief that if women do challenge the fraternities legally,
> the fraternities will lose. ( One would argue that fraternities offer
> men in the greek system an advantage over women in the greek system
> because it is the fraternities that build business contacts etc.. )
> 
>>> 	On another note, why have the frats gotten rid of the Little
>>> Sister programs?  Because from what I heard, too may little sis's were
>>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^        
>>> getting raped by their big bro's.
>>
>>If you'd bothered to read my last posting ( or if it had gone through your 
>>thick skull), you'd have noticed that one of the main points of the post was 
>>that YOU CAN'T USE RUMOURS AS EVIDENCE! THEY CAN BVE MADE UP BY ANYONE, AT
>>ANY TIME ABOUT ANYTHING!
> 
> While in the library I looked up an article in U.S. News and World
> Report.  The article is entitled, ``When sex is the issue.''  It can
> be found in v 111 pages 34+ Oct 7 1991.
> 
> Quotes from the article:
> 
> 	``A 1990 national survey of more than 12,000 students
> 	by the Campus Violence Prevention Center at Maryland's
> 	Towson State University found that about half of all 
> 	reported acquaintance rapes were committed by frat members
                                                    
> 	and athletes.''
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

break it down by percentages. What porportion of the population are fraternity
 members and athletes? How many rapes were fraternity members?

> 
> 	``A 1990 study by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> 	concluded that 34 of the 54 reported sexual assaults were by
> 	fraternity men, even though they represent just a quarter of
> 	male students on campus.''

Hmm... how was the study conducted? You have to watch these things, I learned
in an Experimental Design class. For example, I understand that only something
like 10to 20% of rapes get reported. Maybe a disporportionate number of rapes
by fraternity men are reported. This would mean the vast number of unreported
rapes (which outnumber reported rapes) are by nonfraternity men, and therefore
most rapes are done by nonfraternity men. See, you can twist data to mean almost
anything, if you work at it... you have to be sure your stats are done on 
reliable studies.
> 
> And on the issue of drinking, they throw in without references,
> 
> 	``...and a slew of studies have shown that fraternity members
> 	consume more alcohol than other college students.''
> 
>
A slew. after my comment on reliabvle data, I won't even comment.


 
> Would you like me to get more research material?  There isn't a lack
> for it.

Yes, I would, Better, just post the reacsarch references, and I'll look 'em 
up myself> This is starting to bore even me, so everyone else on the net must be
pulling out their hair and screaming *StOp!*

> 

Mike