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From: wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:05:34 GMT


> In article <1992Aug20.204612.12798@cco.caltech.edu>, hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
> > 
> > >boys/girls developent.  Nature vs nurture and so on...
> > >Any other opinions on the subject are welcome.  We have a 1 year
> > 
> > This is always a fun discussion!  9 years ago I would have argued
> > vehemently that gender-related differences result from socialization.
> > After having children of both gender & watching many more children,
> > I have reluctantly been forced to admit the influence of "nature".
> 

I recommend a book called "Brain Sex" (sorry, can't remember the authors'
names.)  They argue, quite persuasively I think, that men and women (boys
and girls) are different because their brains are different.  The
chromosomes and hormones that make them different genders have an impact on
how their brains function and in turn how they behave.  

I find that whenever I argue this issue with anyone they tend to rely on
anecdotal evidence and say "Well, I was always a tomboy so this shows that
women are no different than men."  Obviously there is a broad spectrum of
"normal" behavior for both men and women, but certain traits are more
common to one gender or the other.  (Aggressiveness for men is the most
obvious.)

One good anecdotal story (from a short story by Saki):  Two parents decided
to raise their son in a non-sexist environment and not to encourage
aggressive behavior on his part.  So, when the boy wanted a set of tin
soldiers, they instead gave him a set of tin teachers and civil servants. 
But peering into his room one day they found that he had set them up on a
battlefield: teachers vs. civil servants.  So much for nurture over nature.

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Mindy
wallis@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
Institute for the Learning Sciences
Northwestern University


From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:03:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My son is also into Thomas the Tank Engine, although not Shining Time Station.
The Thomas segments are too short on the regular show and he gets upset.

I will see what I can find out about the Mavis engine.  We, too, have all
of the die cast engines--fortunately there is a "Great Train Store" near us
that stocks just about EVERYTHING I've ever seen in catalogs:  puzzles, books,
dinnerware, die casts, including a full-size HO trains which go for about
$60 apiece.  We don't own these.....

Jean
From: eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Predicting ovulation (again)
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:40:44 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: doc, ic
NNTP-Posting-Host: smac-eaa.doc.ic.ac.uk


I got confused by a recent thread in this newsgroup about predicting 
ovulation.  Maybe someone could clear it up for me...

I was always under the impression (wrongly, I now suspect) that you 
ovulated mid-month within your cycle, whatever the length of it.  This 
impression stems from what is usually classed as "the norm" of a 28 day
cycle.  
But then someone posted that you ovulate 14 days before your period, 
however 
long your cycle is.  So if you have a 28 day cycle, you aim (if you're
trying to conceive) for day 14.  But if you have a 21 day cycle you must,
therefore, 
aim for day 7.  Under my previous misconception (pardon the dreadful pun) 
I would have aimed for mid-month on a 21 day cycle, roughly day 10 or 11.  
Which leaves a huge margin of error of nearly a whole week (and an
exhausted 
but smiling partner).  You can see why I'm confused!

I know about detecting ovulation through taking your temperature daily and 
through checking your cervical mucus.  But what if you don't have any/can't
notice any cervical mucus?  (Please don't say, but you must have some!!)

Help/Advice needed again, please, misc.kidders!

(Is there a FAQ file on trying to conceive?)




Liz Attree (eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com (Claire Cates)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say
Originator: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:48:41 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


My daughter(6 at the time) always liked to here me sing and asked
me why I didn't sing in the choir.  I told her I could not read music.
Then one day at church I was singing from the hymnal when my 
daughter looked at the book and said "But mommy, it is easy to read
music.  See it has the words right here."

Claire
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat (safety)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:29:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.164906.13814@hemlock.cray.com>, clg@cray.com (Coni Gehler) writes...

>Question for netland:  How much less safe is it to put the rear-facing
>infant seat in the front seat instead of the center of the back seat?

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet -- if you have an infant seat
and a passenger-side airbag, you're not supposed to put the (rear-facing)
seat in the front passenger position.  The inflating of the air bag can
break the car seat and injure the baby.

-- Misty
From: bunnym@nos850.UUCP (Bunny Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Potty training
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:48:49 GMT
Organization: US Naval Ordnance Station  Louisville, KY

Hi all.
I hope someone may have a suggestion for my problem.
I have a two year old girl that was doing very well on her potty
training at home.  She loved to sit on the potty and would tell me when
she needed to go.   Now the daycare that she goes to (and has gone to
since she was 10 wks) has started to emphasize potty training, sitting
each child on the potty 4-5 times a day, it seems she does not like the
potty any more.  She is content to wet her pants and not even let me
know that they are wet.  I have not been fussing at her for wetting her
pants only encouraging her to keep her pants dry so her bottom does not
get sore.
Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
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Bunny Miller                            ...!uunet!coplex!nos850!bunnym
Naval Ordnance Station  Louisville, KY.
(502) 364-6617
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:56:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: nb.1992Aug25.155606.1057
Organization: Rockwell International


In article <1992Aug24.202134.25203@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
> Hi.  Lea is 7 months old.  My sister suggested that I get her a walker - her 
> baby loved it.  My husband thinks they are useless and dangerous.  Got
> any opinions or experiences to share?  If you've had one ..what brand
> was it?
> 
> diana

My 
My pediatritian said that if you use a walker the kid will most likely
be a toe walker and since this makes balance more difficult the child
will walk later.  Personal data to date shows this to be true.  My daughter
walked flat footed at 10.5 months (no walker).  My sisters kids both used
them and were both toe walkers and walked at 12.5 and 13.5 months.  My
nephew walked on his toes until well after his second birthday.

Just some data,

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:21:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162747.9606@nwra.com> mark@nwra.com (Mark) writes:
>I've heard that it's possible to (legally) not pay income tax on
>the cost of child care. My understanding is that it must be done
>through one's employer with "pretax dollars" - like a 401k. You don't
>fill out your tax return with childcare deducted. You just never see
>the money in your taxable pay.
>
>Does anyone know the details of how this is done, if it really is
>possible?
>
>    )_ _               -------------------------------------------    
>   /  ) ) _        /       Mark Baldwin - mark@sparky.nwra.com
>  /  / / / / /\_  /_/  Northwest Research Associates, Bellevue, WA
> /  / /_(_/_/  (_/ \__ -------------------------------------------  

Yes, it really is possible to pay day care costs -- up to $5000 per 
year from pretax dollars.  (The $$ deducted reduce your W2 wages.
The difference shows up as one of the non-taxable benefits.) It is 
also possible to pay non-reimbursed medical expenses, like eye glasses 
through a similar account.  Ther are some restrictions on how the $$ 
are deducted and reimbursed.  The program must be offered through 
your employer -- TI does this.  Also, if you do take the pretax dollars, 
you cannot claim the child care deduction.  
Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:04:15 GMT

choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
: (Diane Lin) writes:
: 
: Yep me too, notes ...but now I wish we had videotaped the whole thing
: because right now, (7 months later) I would just LOVE to watch it.  
: (And before I always thought videoptaping a birth was weird).


I also wish I had videotaped the whole thing.  Is there anyone out
there who has?  I have yet to meet anyone who has done this.

Catharine
From: kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes about breast-feeding
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:20:15 PDT
Organization: Who me??? Organised?....Never!!!  Wellington, New Zealand.

wazir@einstein.eds.com (Deborah Wazir) writes:

> 
> Regarding how nipple preparation during pregnancy avoids soreness - I don't
> doubt that this works, but unprepared nipples aren't the only reason for
> soreness.  How the baby latches on has a much greater influence.  If the nipp
> points upwards in the baby's mouth, rather than straight back towards the
> throat, the tip of the nipple will rub against the roof of the baby's mouth a
> become raw.
> 
> Especially until babies become adept at positioning themselves properly, you
> have to be very particular about the latch on - and you may have to re-train
> them after they start using a bottle, as I did when I went back to work.  My
> son didn't get nipple-confused, but he did have a tendency to purse his lips
> and just suck on the tip of the nipple instead of getting some of the areola 
> his mouth.  That would also make the nipples sore.
> 
> After each nursing, whenever possible, wipe the baby's saliva off the nipple
> and express a few drops of milk and rub it into the nipple and areola.  The
> milk has a healing effect.  It's also helpful if you let the nipples air-dry.
> 
> It's worth the effort when the kid is nursing 1-1/2 hours at a time, 8 -12
> times a day.
> -- 
> Deborah S. Wazir	       ----------------------------------------------
> Electronic Data Systems	      | Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, 
>                               | and it is shameful to surrender it too soon. 
> ARPA: wazir@tsd.eds.com        ----------------------------------------------




Yes......All you say is true Deborah...nipple stretch pain is common, as is 
discomfort from the nipple rubbing aginst the roof of the baby's moth, or 
tongu....As you say, the nipple should be pointed to the back of that bay's 
throat.  I also find that woman need to support their breast while feeding.  
The weight of the breast can tend to pull it out of the baby's mouth, and 
the nipple position can change, and get sore.  The best way to support the 
breast is to cup it in the hand...fingers underneath, and thumb on top......


Just one small point, you don't need to wash off the baby's salive.  It also 
contains healing mucilage, that seals small cracks.  The best thing to do 
for nipples is to express a liitle hind milk, let it dry on the nipple for a 
few minutes, and if you need to, apply a very light smearing of a light oil. 
 The air drying is important, as it is moist damp nipples that are prone to 
soreness or cracking.....



Hope this helps!! :-)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Aug25.192546.5029@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
	<TIGGER.92Aug28194811@satyr.Sylvan.COM>
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:21:14

Tigger writes:
   It is most certain that the baby should be in his/her carseat whenever
   the car is moving.

   I once traveled for some miles with a
   baby in my lap, paranoid all the way.

I have to guiltily report that I've done it twice, both in special
circumstances.  The first time I was riding in the park ranger's
pickup truck in the middle of the night, as she drove Will to the
helicopter ambulance. (It's a long story). The second time was
recently when Will fell off a slide and cut open his head.  I was with
my sister and her kids, and we had all three car seats in the back.
Rather than rearrange the carseats, in the interests of time I held
Will in the front seat so I could apply pressure to the wound as we
drove to the doctor.  Both times I was petrified that we'd have
another accident on the way to the emergency room.  

If your child cuts him/herself and seems to need stitches but is not
obviously bleeding to death, I advise taking the extra time to arrange
to use the car seat.  With Will's stitches, we got to the doctor's
fairly quickly, then had to wait two hours before he was stitched.

   Babies that hate carrides seem to outgrow it eventually.

Some grow up into carsick children and then adults who hate cars.
I'm told that as a baby I'd scream the entire length of a car ride.  
I got carsick as a child, and I still do.  Fortunately, I mostly
bicycle now.  If you have reason to believe that your
baby gets carsick, forgo the books and interesting toys;  looking at
stuff inside the car will make the baby sicker.  Instead, try tapes,
singing, etc.

-- Anne

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore)
Subject: Re: C-section preparation [was Re: Justin's Birth Story]
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:17:20 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute, Inc.

>>We covered sections in our Bradley classes and were reasonably well-
>>prepared.  Have other Bradley Moms had similar experiences?
>>
>
C-sections were covered in our Bradley classes and although we still have two
weeks to go till our due date, I feel that we are well informed and prepared
just in case.

Our Bradley instructor did mention that the night they discuss C-sections,
attendance is the lowest since people tend to think that it won't happen to 
them.

Maria Moore


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: Homeschooling
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:33:00 GMT

Interesting discussion.  Now, getting past the question of whether
homeschooling is a Good Thing...

Once you've decided to go for it, how do you manage the legal and
sociopolitical aspects of it?  Most municipal school systems and
town halls are none too encouraging, not to say downright hostile,
when it comes to teaching your kid(s) at home.

How can you make sure that your kid gets the education she needs
by the time she enters high school?  Parents aren't professional
educators, and they will need some kind of guidance or program to
know they're not letting whole areas of study go by the boards.

What do you tell your friends, neighbors, local cop on the beat,
colleages, and (most of all) other kids about where Junior is
doing her study?

These are serious questions for anyone who plans to embark upon this.
I really need to know the answers.

--
Steve Bacher (Batchman)                 Draper Laboratory
Internet: seb@draper.com                Cambridge, MA, USA
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:01:07 GMT
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC

In article <-zanm9_@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.202134.25203@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>>Hi.  Lea is 7 months old.  My sister suggested that I get her a walker - her 
>>baby loved it.  My husband thinks they are useless and dangerous.  Got
>>any opinions or experiences to share?  If you've had one ..what brand
>>was it?
>>
>They won't kill anyone (unless they go down the stairs in one!), but
>they will possibly delay unassisted walking because they can develop
>such extreme extensor (calf) tone that kids can have a hard time
>placing their entire foot on the floor.
>
>A lot of kids really love playing in walkers. Just be prepared to
>have a truly foolproof way to keep them off the stairs, and be
>prepared to have a delay in "real" walking.
>
>Brian

Walkers are illegal to purchase in Canada. Not illegal to own.
I saw the other night that the US ??? (some agency) has come
out against the sale of walkers and even suggesting that owners
return theirs to the manufacturers. The reasons stated were the
injuries and deaths attributed to the walkers.

I have one and will use it. We have carpet which makes it very slow
and it has those saftey wheels that stop it from going over stairs
too easily (Sure they do NOT).

I realize that we must be very carefull to keep the gate up and 
that accidents can happen. 
Hmmm maybe I use it only downstairs in the basement.

Mike N.
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:27:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.202043.20236@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:


>Hello there out in misc.kidsdom...

>Are any of your kids into Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends?  My 3YO
>just LOVES Thomas and Percy and Gordon and James and Mavis and Toby
>and Henry and Edward and Henrietta and Annie and Clarabel and.....

>He has the die-cast metal versions in two sizes of some of the figures,
>but we have heard that Mavis isn't going to be made into a figure because
>she is only in the US version of the videos.  Is that true?

>BTW, we have all 6 videotapes and will be purchasing the 7th as soon as
>it's available this month.

>Yes, Shining Time Station has eclipsed both Sesame Street and Mister Rogers
>as his favorite show!

>Jennifer

  Funny you should mention it...we just rented two of the Thomas the Tank
Engine videos the night before last.  My 3.5 year-old son, Grant, loved
them so much that he cried when I had to return them to the store.  I plan 
on purchasing the videos soon.

- Cindy
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:10:57 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <SHAFER.92Aug28100837@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:

   There was a little article in this morning's LA Times pointing out
   that one should _not_ use booster seats onboard aircraft.  All the
   major airlines recommend that you not use them, but they are not
   prohibited in the FARs.

   The reason for not using them is that aircraft seats will fold forward
   in an impact, injuring the child.  This doesn't happen in cars.

I believe the article said this, but I am having a little trouble with
the logic involved. And the seat wouldn't injure the child if the
child is just buckled in normally? How would it injure the child more
one way than the other??

Inquiring minds want to know...
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Summary: take first aid
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:42:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <22956@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen) writes:
> After having 2 children, you'd think that I was an old pro
> at this but I always still panic when something gets caught
> in my children's mouth/throat.

Basically, fishing something out with your finger is not the
first thing you do, because as you know, you can just
push it further down the throat.  With a 7 month old, I would
turn her upside down, along your arm or your knee as I believe you suggested,
and pound her on the back.  I did this with my daughter when
she was almost 2, and she threw up whatever was bothering her
on  the floor.  Gravity is on your side when they are upside down
and against you when they are upright.

A person who is coughing or who can speak is not in danger of dying
at that particular moment because both coughing and speaking
indicate that the airway is open.  A person who can't speak or
who can only make a high pitched squeaking sound has a closed
airway and needs help.  If a person is coughing, let them cough
and stay with them until they are okay.

> But recently, I had given my 7 month old one of those hard 
> finger cookies that they are supposed to chew on.
> the other day, she got a large piece in her mouth, and I
> put my finger in to 'fish' it out, but instead, pushed it
> back down her throat (it was slimy).
It being slimy had nothing to do with it going further down
her throat.  Anything can be pushed down - besides wouldn't you
expect a piece of food in the mouth to be slimy?

> But, in the baby books, I read that you put the baby over
> you knees and push on their chest in between the ribs, to
> get the foreign object to come back up.
> 
> Do you do this only when you cant get the object out by
> either fishing it out or by slapping their back?  My
> pediatrician also mentioned the pushing the chest method.
> I don't see how it could work.  Has anyone had to try it?

See above.  The force of gravity is on your side.  This pushing
the chest works basically like the Heimlich manuever, which I
have seen used to save people's lives.  Pressing on the chest
compresses the diaphragm, which forces air up the windpipe, which
pushes the object out.

All parents should take first aid and be prepared to use it.

Let me change that - everyone should take first aid and be prepared
to use it.

Kate Perkins