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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Pain Teens discog.?
X-To: ROB JACOB
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:04:00 GMT

> I just picked up _Stimulation Festival_ and, though it has quite a lot
> of filler, it also has some stuff which i really, really, REALLY love
> especially "Shallow Hole" and "Daughter of Chaos" as well as some of
> the instrumentals-with-extended-samples, the names of which I can't
> recall off hand.
> 
> Is _SF_ Pain Teens' only release, or do they have anything else?  

They have three previous albums.  The first, "Pain Teens", had a pretty 
limited release and was a vinyl only thing, so it'll probably be 
impossible to find.  The other two, "Case Histories" and "Born in Blood", 
are available together on one CD.  All are well worth owning.


Greg
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From: stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive,rec.arts.tv,rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Toy Cows-Answer-Retraction
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:05:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug30.200546.3631
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug30.185655.1263@ctr.columbia.edu> rutan@tanalo.larc.nasa.gov (David Rutan) writes:
>Oops.  
>Sorry, next time I'll verify before jumping on the first answer that comes
>my way.
>Toy Cows is not Carribean Blue from Enya.
>This just means the elusive song is still unkown to most of us.
>
>.....David Rutan

Oh wow you mean that post WASN'T a bad net.joke?
Hmmm yes please do verify next time because Toy Cows is about
as far from Enya you can get.

Cat Stanton
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 16:59:08 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
 <1992Aug19.201617.3530@colorado.edu>
 <RJC.92Aug20122411@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
 <1992Aug23.231941.18799@colorado.edu>
 <RJC.92Aug24145019@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>

In article <RJC.92Aug24145019@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
(Richard Caley) says:
>Bands/labels which don't make a profit are ones which are either
>failing or run for the love of it. I suspect there are very few of the
>latter who would object if they suddenly found that they didn't have
>to keep the day job.

Oh,of course...then again,a distinction needs to be made between indies
that have a genuine concern for the welfare of the bands/performers who appear
on their releases and ones which jack their bands/performers around. Don't
think that the latter attitude is impossible where the indies are concerned-
Greg Ginn's/SST's half-assed treatment of Negativland after the "U2" lawsuit
proves otherwise.

Weirdly enough,there _is_ such a thing as an honest buck-but independents
can be capable of slimy manuevers just like the majors.

Incidentally,major label stuff isn't inherently "evil",IMHO,
until that label either starts to curtail an artist's freedom to do whatever
he/she/they want. After all,the Ramones/Pistols/etc. would've never gotten
records out if it hadn't been for WEA. On the other hand,majors are probably
more inclined to toss "alternative" (or whatever term you wanna use) bands
out on their ear if they don't sell,so it there's no reason to lionize the
majors for being Cultural Benefactors,either.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe)
Subject: Re: depeche mode!!
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.004645.1458@lester.appstate.edu> C_S02175@APPSTATE.EDU (C_S2450101) writes:
>Hey what is the deal with depeche mode....last I heard they were in spain
>recording a new album, but that was about April when I got that info.  Any
>one know any new developments???  Also anyone that knows how to get on the
>Mode mailing list please Email it to me (C_S02175@conrad.appstate.edu) or
>post it for others...
>
>				Later.........steve

Well last I heard which was about a year ago, the boys from DM were going to 
"retire" from music for about seven years or some ludicrous amount of time.  
Then they planned to come out with an album at the end of that time.  I sure
hope that isn't the case, b/c I'll wear out all my DM discs waiting for a
new one =-(.

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From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: More SubPop / SST Discussion
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:17:35 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <1992Sep3.135746.19302@msc.cornell.edu> rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428) writes:

>> In addition to that 
>> Buffalo Tom, Black Flag, Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr. have all had releases 
>> of some sort on SubPop.

>Dino Jr. was
>going to release "The Wagon" 7" but the deal fell through due to the Warners
>signing, although there are definitely copies floating around out there.

Does this mean I have a SubPop item that Rob doesn't?  I am shocked and
impressed.  "The Wagon" 7" definitely exists--one of the copies floated 
into my possession. The b side is a rather nice pop song written by Don 
Fleming (Velvet Monkeys, B.A.L.L.), who was in the band for a short time 
after Barlow quit.

--
    "Tell  me, who *hasn't* felt close to the edge and down by the river" 
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Andy Whitman
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ramones, punk rock, XRaySpex, others (lots)
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:58:36 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, UK

In article <4991@news.duke.edu> jbrehm@acpub.duke.edu (John Brehm) writes:
>I second all of the previous mentions.  Also, The Jam, Stranglers, 
>Dead Kennedys, The Fall, and of course, The Clash.  The first Clash
>record, with all that tinny production, has more rage and fury
>than any other record of that era.  Sure, Never Mind the Bollocks
>defined the sound, but the Pistols never had the focus and intensity
>that the Clash had in that first record.  (This from a guy who

Never Mind the Bollocks defined the sound?  I can't agree with 
that one at all.  I'd say _Never Mind the Bollocks_ popularized the
sound which had been defined by the Ramones.  

Also, I've seen the Clash live, and I don't think their live
shows or their records came anywhere near the intensity of
early Black Flag (GBH is more intense as well).

I will say that the Clash had more interesting lyrics and a better
guitar player than probably any of them (though the Dead Kennedys had
some great lyrics as well).  

How about this?  Who is your favorite punk rock guitarist:
(excuse me if I just list the band names when I don't know
the guitarist's name). My list:

Mick Jones of the Clash
Greg Gihn of Black Flag
Johnny Ramone 
Angry Samoans guitarist
Sex Pistols guitarist 
The Damned's Guitarist
DK's guitarist (Klaus Flouride?)
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Matt Marchese)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ramones
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:10:25 GMT
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg

In article <1992Aug27.121852.10391@waikato.ac.nz> higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.084805.19209@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE>, k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Matt Marchese) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug25.195412.14826@u.washington.edu> dube@carson.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube) writes:
>>>
>>>Here's a new thread.  What's your favorite Ramones record.
>>>
>> Not to denigrate the later stuff. "Leave Home" is almost as top-notch as
>> the first album. "Rocket to Ruin" is probably their most humorous (and
>This should be Rocket to Russia, or ROad to Ruin :^)
>
You are right, of course...I humbly kneel and lick the sweat off the neck
of Johnny's Mosrite..:)

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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Love Corporation! Fortran 5!
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:24:49 GMT
Distribution: aus,world
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

I had a listen of these two CDs. They are old perhaps, but haven't
been discussed much.

Love Corporation: Lovers
Quite an interesting CD. Dance with ambient/atmospheric overtones.
Most of the songs are reasonably fast, and the well-known Palatial
is not too characteristic of the sound. In fact, IMHO Palatial's
sound quality isn't as good as the rest of the album. There are some
very nice sounds, chords, and ethereal feel...

Fortran 5: Blues
Extremely tempting! A lot of variety here. A mix of ambient, house,
experimental, and weird music. It isn't as similar to the Orb as I
expected, but it's good nonetheless. In fact, I wouldn't be too impressed
by any band which blatantly copies the Orb. This CD is fairly dance-oriented
in places, and atmospheric in others. It's not a cohesive thing, like
Orb releases; a variety of moods, styles, and sounds are heard.

What does everyone else think of these?

Also:
Hypnotone: Ai
Quite good! I read a review here before, but can't remember what the guy
said. Anyway, it's a bit like Love Corporation.

I expect to be buying Fortran 5, but I think I will wait for discounts
on the other two, since my money situation is pretty tight, and I am
obliged to buy St.Etienne Foxbase Alpha, NIN releases, Orb releases,
DM Cd singles, and other things first.

Paul

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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: SubPop + SST?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:43:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Since SubPop and SST have been working together on a couple projects, I
gather, has their been any thought to them "joining forces" and becoming
1 label?

Since they're in the market for the same type of music, it would kinda
make sense that they combine their efforts into one entity.
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
"I would like to thank the vice president, ...the television academy,
and the members of the cultural elite." - Candice Bergen
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: You think THAT'S a ripoff? Was: (RE: Killing joke sues Nirvana
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:57:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Annoncing the biggest ripoff in history..."Stairway to Heaven" by Led
Zeppelin. They took the chord sequence and basic tune from Gilligan's
Island. If you play melodies of Stairway and Gilligan's Island
together, they fit perfectly together. Led Zep. should have called it
"Variations on the Gilligan's Island Theme"

                                             ALEX
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive,rec.arts.tv,rec.music.folk,rec.music
From: hankdtank <hank@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: Toy Cows - Answer
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 11:36:16 PDT

rutan@tanalo.larc.nasa.gov (David Rutan) writes:

> Well, my thanks to Fran Adams who tells me that "Toy Cows"
> is actually "Caribbian Blue" by Enya on the album Shephard Moon.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> .....David Rutan


WHAT?

Where did we get the connection between "Toy Cows" and "Caribbean Blue?"
 
Arn't they two totally different songs that appeared on two totally 
different NX episodes?

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: folta@well.sf.ca.us (Stephen Folta)
Subject: Re: Sebadoh info wanted
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:43:12 GMT


festeve@sdrc.COM (Steve Saunders):
> One of my favorite CD's is Sebadoh III.  I assume by the title that
> there is a I and II.  If anybody outhere knows about these please let
> me know.

The first one is called "The Freed Man" (recorded summer 1988, released
1989).  The second one is called "Weed Forestin" (recorded 1986-87,
released 1990).  There is a CD called "The Freed Weed" which includes
all of "Weed Forestin" and much of "The Freed Man" (the "Freed Man"
songs are all scrambled up, with one or two extra tracks thrown in).

Both albums are like Lou's home-recorded stuff on "III"--they were
recorded before Jason joined the band and they became a full electric
rock band.  I wouldn't really recommend "The Freed Man" unless you are
already a Sebadoh fanatic.  The first side of "Weed Forestin" is kind
of weak too, but the second side is *great*.  When Superchunk covered
three Sebadoh songs on a single last year, all three were from side 2
of "Weed Forestin".  If you get the CD, side two starts with "Three
Times A Day" and ends with "Brand New Love".

Sebadoh also have some singles out.  Probably the best one (and also
the easiest to find) is "Gimme Indie Rock"+4.  That was the debut of the
full-band/electric/studio-recorded Sebadoh.  There's also "Oven Is My
Friend"+4 and a split single with Azalia Snail where they do a version of
"Poledo" (called "Toledo" here) from Dinosaur Jr.'s second album, plus two
other songs.  (In case you didn't know, Lou used to play bass in Dinosaur
Jr. once upon a time.)  If anyone knows of any others, please tell me so I
can hunt them down and buy them.

If you really become a big Sebadoh fan, you should also keep an eye out
for Sentridoh stuff.  Noone really seems to know why they release some
stuff as "Sebadoh" and other stuff as "Sentridoh".  My guess: maybe
Sebadoh is under contract to record companies (Homestead, and now Sub
Pop), and Sentridoh can just give stuff to anyone.  Anyway, there's at
least one Sentridoh single ("Losercore"/"Really Insane") and one
full-length cassette ("Losers", on Shrimper), and they have a song on most
of the Shrimper comps.

I got "The Freed Man" when it came out, and I liked it, but I thought that
Sebadoh would only appeal to ex-neurotic New England adolescents like
myself.  I continued to think that even after "Weed Forestin" came out.
But it turns out that almost everyone I know who's heard them likes them.

Steve Folta
folta@well.sf.ca.us
From: N79BC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Morrissey vs. Smiths.....Again......
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:50:16 GMT
 <19920822175244IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> <2A97032B.21675@ics.uci.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


     Sorry to keep this debate going about how "Your Arsenal" may be a slap
at the Smiths, but in theory, couldn't the song "Tommorrow" be the same
as "Girlfriend in a Coma" (from the Smiths "Strangeways Here We Come")
except from the girl's point of view?  That she's begging her boyfriend
to say he loves her, though she knows he doesn't mean it?  That she wants
his love before she dies?

     Remember, in "GF in a Coma", the boyfriend wishes for her death.
Now that she is dying, she's begging for his love before she dies tommorrow.
This woman has a serious complex, if you as me.
Just my $.02 on a subject that can be very speculative.......
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: damatt01@rigel.spd.louisville.edu (David A. Mattingly)
Subject: Re: INXS question...help me out.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:17:53 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

"The Farriss Brothers," as already pointed out, and also "The
Vegetables."



-- 
        Dave Mattingly               "Can you snog the dentriface?" 
damatt01@ulkyvx.ct.louisville.edu    "I was an innocent, now I'm magnificent."
        (502) 584-6707               "Here's lookin' at you, sideways!"
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: gal2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley)
Subject: Re: "Doppelganger" <-- Who sings this song?
Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:20:42 GMT


After a couple of responses I'd better add that I don't think this has
anything to do with the Curve's song "Doppelganger". The one I'm talking
about is probably at least five years old and is not part of the dreamy /
noisy guitar fad in any way. It's voice, piano, and trumpet.

Jake.
-- 
Reinheitsgebot <-- "Keep your laws off my beer!" <-- gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham)
Subject: beastie boys live tapes (recent) wanted
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:34:59 GMT

e-mail me if you got any and want to trade

mike

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Matthew Sweet
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:01:07 GMT


I like Matthew Sweet, but how many songs on this "Girlfriend" album deal
with females?  It seems to me, most of them!
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.info
From: Mark.Cornick@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Subject: MAILINGLIST: NEW MAILING LIST: indie-list
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
Originator: recmusic@galaxy
Reply-To: Mark.Cornick@lambada.oit.unc.edu
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:08:35 GMT

There's been a pretty vicious debate lately on the net about starting a
new indie-music newsgroup. Joshua Houk and myself have come to the
conclusion that a mailing list would be a much better idea. Thus...

Announcing the formation of indie-list, a weekly digest for the discussion
of indie music. This list will be moderated by Joshua and myself.

For those of you who are asking: We're not even going to attempt to define
"indie." There are as many different definitions of the word as there are
people who listen to the music. Just read it and see what's being discussed.

indie-list will be jointly based at the University of Georgia, Athens and
James Madison University, Harrisonburg VA. Since Joshua and myself are
both students in real life, and have limited time to do this, as well as
no support from our respective universities, the digest will be mailed out
weekly, without LISTSERV (through the miracle of macros and scripts :)

As you can see, this is going to be truly a DIY effort. To that end,
anyone interested in helping us out is encouraged to write me or Joshua.

To subscribe to the list, for more information, to volunteer your support,
or just to say "Fshee!", mail me at stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu.

To submit articles, mail Joshua at houk@athena.uga.edu.

Power to the little people.

Your friendly indie-list moderators,

Mark Cornick & Joshua Houk
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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Who Sings "V. Ice is Bad in Bed?"
Date: 2 Sep 1992 03:06:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Who sings the song, "Vanilla Ice is Bad in Bed?"

It sounds like Jello.
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
"I would like to thank the vice president, ...the television academy,
and the members of the cultural elite." - Candice Bergen
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: chupchup@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Robert Earl)
Subject: Re: Q: Skin track names
Keywords: Skin swans shame humilty revenge
Organization: (EVIL!)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:04:01 GMT

amason@cs1.uct.ac.za (A Mason) writes:

| Can anyone tell me the track listing for Shame, Humility and Revenge by Skin?
| ( Gira and Jarboe, Swans ). -this is a brilliant album, by the way. Non of
| the discographies I have been able to lay my hands on have a track listing 
| for it, who knows why. I know one of the tracks is called 24 Hours, and one
| is presumably Shame, Humility and Revenge :-), but otherwise I am clueless.

Sorry to disappoint, there's no title track on the album.  :-)  But
here are the tracks:

nothing without you
everything at once
breathing water
the center of your heart
cold bed
24 hours
turned to stone
one small sacrifice
i want to be your dog

Yes, that last track is a Sid Vicious cover.  I believe it was never
on the LP version, but I have only *ever* seen *one* copy of this
album in the states, the CD copy which I myself own.  Was I really
that lucky, or has anyone else in the US seen it?  The reason it
vanished is undoubtedly because the two LPs were mangled into a single
US release.  Sigh.  One more reason to spend the extra $ on imports.

-- 
"If you've got a pig that likes jumping fences, | robert earl
you have to make its fence a lot higher all at  | rearl@ucsd.edu
once -- if you do it by increments, all you're  | rearl@piggy.ucsb.edu
doing is training a jumping pig." -Henry Spencer|