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From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Slovenia S5 Prefix description
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:14:41 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<1992Oct10.221338.323@access.usask.ca>
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
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In article <1992Oct10.221338.323@access.usask.ca> hardie@herald.usask.ca
writes:
>From article <1414@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, by
tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton):
>> 
>> I don't know when the DXAC vote will be completed, but probably not in
>> time for the CQWW the last weekend of this month.  So, my plan is to
>> go ahead and count any S5's for a contest multiplier and let CQ take it
>> out if they don't approve.
>> 
>> GL! 73, Tom WB4IUX
>> 
>> 
>
>In the comments on the results of the 1991 CQ WW DX SSB contest in Sept 92 CQ
>it says that because DARC has already added them to the WAE list, Croatia
>(9a1-9a0), Slovenia (S5) and Bosnia/Herzegovina (YU4/YT4/4N4) are separate
>from Yugoslavia for the CQ contest. So make sure you add the other two as
>well as S5!
>Pete hardie@herald.usask.ca  VE5VA
Thanks for the information Pete.  I am behind on my reading, as you
can see.  But what do we do about Macedonia?  If the DARC already
recognizes Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia, why didn't they
cover Macedonia I wonder?????  Do we get to count that one too?  If
anyone knows please post.  Thanks!  Looks like we'll get some easy ones
to up our 5BDXCC totals.  73, Tom WB4IUX  
ps:  Does anyone have any info on North Korea P5 operation?  tnx!


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From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: 6 meter HT would be nice
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:32:47 GMT
Keywords: 6m


Why doesn't one of the major vendors of ham gear have a 6m (or maybe
a 10m/6m) HT available.  The low power of an HT would be ideal for ham
to ham communications at flea markets, etc. plus it could make a
nice mobile that could be used with the small (but growing)
number of 6m repeaters.

The low use of 6m is perhap (as I see it) a self fulfilling prophesy.
No/low use of 6m means no commercial equipment (although the new ICOM 
IC-729 HF transceiver with 6m intiques me) and no commercial 
equipment almost guarantees a low usage.

A good possibility for a mobile would be for Radio Shack to come out
with a 6m version of their 10m CW/SSB mobile unit that sells for
about $200.  If they could add FM that would make it a great rig.
Anyone out their in TANDY Land read this newsgroup?

Anyway, just some random thoughts from a 6m wanna be.

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Status of manufacturing ban for radios/scanners covering cellular?
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:18:17 GMT

In article <60985@mimsy.umd.edu> furuta@cs.umd.edu (Richard Furuta) writes:
... stuff deleted ...
>
>If the legislation is of interest to you I think it is a mistake to be
>complacent.  I also think it is a mistake for us to focus on the technical
>oddities of the law (e.g., it'll make older televisions illegal as well as
>cellular telephones if read very strictly).  The *intent* of the legislation
>is clear.  It'll be up to the FCC to *implement* the law.  I have no doubt
>that they'll be able to do so in a quite technically precise fashion should
>Congress direct them to do so.
>
>					--Rick
>					  N3JGF

I seriously doubt it... what with budget cutbacks, the FCC has had to
scale back on enforcement to a very large degree - allowing volunteer
testing of HAMS and deregulating CB in the process. I simply don't see
the FCC running around in white vans with spectrum analyzers looking
for illicit IF emissions. (-8  The truth is, any law against monitoring
will be unenforceable - period.

Far more likely is an import ban on scanning equipment capable of
receiving cellular. This law is inevitable and (as much as I hate to
say it) fighting it is a lost cause. In the eyes of the technically
ignorant majority, fighting this thing is like admitting you want to
listen in on other people's phone calls. Nobody in the political scene
is going to want to fight for your right to buy eavesdropping equipment...
most of them have their own shady deals to protect... end of story.
- Mike

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From: grady@public.BTR.COM ( )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: W5YI report..
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:20:07 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

Gee, I'm an Advanced class who thinks it's a good idea
to get rid of the Advanced and Extra classes.

But then, I didn't upgrade my call immediately because
it would have fewer letters in it, either.

Morse code, as a requirement for licensing, is crap.
That's _._. ._. ._ .__. for you Extras out there;
print this message out at 9600 baud if you want to
get the speed right. :-)


KD6ETH

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Grady Ward  grady@btr.com  Moby Lexicons (408) 373-1491
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Repeater Timers
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:50:11 GMT

BOBPRIEZ@selu.EDU writes:
>  Can any repeater trustees or control operators advise what the 
>  legal  (as in FCC)  requirements are for watchdog timers on VHF
>  & UHF repeaters?  Not just user or autopatch time-outs, but also
>  the lock-up or squelch-tail timer requirements.

To the best of my knowledge, repeaters have been recently
allowed to (or rather, no longer restricted from) having
any length hang timer desired.

If you want to leave your repeater keyed for 2 weeks,
that's fine with the FCC. Just be sure you're running
MICOR equipment. :)

There has always been the requirement that a control
operator must assert control of the repeater within
3 minutes of a violation of regs. I doubt that your
timer will suffice if I start verbally trashing your repeater, though.

Does this answer your question?

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No, I won't be starting an autocanceller
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:10:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I hereby cast my vote for anarchy...

Peter Laws              |"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|   pcl@engr.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  |plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
From: Dan_Scully.houstoncssc@xerox.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARRL Mail
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:52:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: Xerox.".8-Oct-92.10:52:18.CDT".*.Dan_Scully.houstoncssc
Reply-To: ds.houstoncssc@xerox.com
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

NR3Y de N5SEH

Hi Darrell,
I have always gotten prompt and courteous responses to my e-mail messages to ARRL. 

Thanx,	          '
Dan           o*(qRKqR)o+
	           F
~S	(713) 953-3149  or  8*756-3149
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~	17-606.2-852-159-187.0
From: William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: W5YI report..
Date: 15 Oct 1992 06:04:47 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

> > [rumour of high speed morse test to be dropped deleted..]
> I figured this would happen, as soon as the code-free tech rule was added.
> The proposer of this crap must be some frustrated general or technician class
> licensee that just can't (or won't try) to make the grade to advanced or extra
proposer is WA8HSU, William Wells - extra class...files are in the Hamnet 
libraries on Compu$erve.  I need to do a check for new files on GEnie to see 
if it's moved over there.  Look for a file called "RMXXXX.TXT" or similar.  
(it's RMXXXX because there's no RM number assigned at the time of upload)
i've got it at home....it's basically a return to the pre-incentive licensing 
scheme.  not too long.

i don't think it's going to go through (miracles do occur).  it doesn't have 
that "feel" that the code-free tech license proposals had.  if we were going 
to overhaul the license structure the time to do that would have been back in 
the early 80's about the time the VE program came in or during the code-free 
tech discussion.

it's pretty obvious that the ARRL would be resistant to such a change.

> I guess in the era of fairness (sorta like clintonomics), i not surprised at
> this.
>

this isn't his first proposal.  his similar ones in the past have been dropped
unceremoniously also.  I suspect some sort of hidden agenda in there 
somewhere.  Wells is too vocal about not receiving benefit from the 
change...whereas i see DXer extras and advanceds instantly going "Now wait 
just a cotton pickin' minute..."

> This proposer must figure that the extra class guys got their licenses thru
> cheating or bribes, certainly not by working at it.
>

the more cynical of us probably are thinking that WA8HSU is a shill for 
compu$serve - generating controversy so you'll spend $/hr reading and ranting.
hamnet tends to get slow when you don't have a couple of controversial 
subjects going or WA4D isn't around.....even the political battles between 
W6TNS & others over Perot, Bush and Clinton only ran hot for a short time...

bill wb9ivr
From: MOSIER@iris.uncg.EDU (Steve Mosier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: kerchunking repeaters
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:01:44 GMT
Organization: University of NC at Greensboro
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

>  kerchunking is the one behaviour that absolutely sets the
> professionals apart from the amateurs - the professionals KNOW that

"professional"  ???   

professional what???

> their radio is going to work, that the repeater is going to work,
> and that they can simply pick up the microphone and make a call.

Well, I know my radio is going to work.  Its me that I'm not sure about.

steve - W3GRG
From: UWELTO@UNC.OIT.UNC.EDU (John Welton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10M Mobile Ant. Recommendations
Date: 12 Oct 1992 05:43:22 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Thanks for the response to my question regarding 10FM
activity. Our ARES group is seriously considering using 10FM as
a backup to our repeaters. We have done some tests and find
that a simplex frequency can cover most of the county which
consists of gently rolling hills. Two meter simplex is not
effective due to shadowing.

We have used only base stations at this point and one mobile
which is using the Outbacker antenna. This mobile has had
some problems with receiving the ground wave signal. He is
using a trunk lip mount on one of those small Japanese cars.
Could anyone recommend a good mobile antenna for 10M FM. I
am also interested in any info about problems with ground
wave reception on this band (the fellow with the Outbacker
does very well with his sky wave signal). We are using 29.010
as our working frequency. Any other comments about 10FM simplex
and mobile operations are appreciated.

TNX ES 73 DE N4SJW

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: ik3huk@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Diego Serafin)
Subject: Kenwood TS430s power fault
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:28:18 GMT

Hi there !
As you read in the subject I have some sporadic but very annoying troubles
with my 1988 Kenwood TS430s. This is what happens to my gear (and the same
occours to the rig of a friend of mine):

Approx. every 3-4 hours of CW operation (while working without any problem)
the power output drops down to a few watt (tipically duringa pileup and when 
the dx sent 'ik3huk 599...'). During this power-loss the ALC level is low 
(regularly).
To have back the full power I have to do the following:
-Turn CARRIER knob fully clockwise (full power position - ALC doesn't move)
-Key down for several seconds (very looooong time when in pileup) 

I sent the radio to a laboratory for repair (and friend of mine did the same)
but they're not able to reproduce the power-fault when the radio is on their
table. They cleaned up all the relais, but the RTX is still loosing power.


      PSE sorry my scholastic english and ... TNX in advance.


                            ik3huk Diego Serafin.

P.S. e-mail to me: I will repost the solution (if it will come!)



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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics
From: tyers@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (P Tyers)
Subject: PCB etch from Photocopy Film
Keywords: PCB, etch resist,Photocopy
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:26:23 GMT

an someone please help me. About 6-9 months ago a thread on producing
PCB etch resist patterns by ironing on photocopy images was running strong.

In particular reference was made to a photocopy film/paper especially
designed to facilitate the process.

Can someone post (or better still email me) a pointer to an archive site
or the consolidated thread. I am particularly interested in the film/paper
needing a manufacturer name/address and model number. If someone knows
who, if any, is the Australian distributer all the better.

Thanx in advance
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From: gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HF Weather FAX and PC's
Keywords: fax pc
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:28:21 CDT
Organization: Ham Radio Operator, Houston Tex.

paul@n3eop.pgh.pa.us (paul) writes:

> noah@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip D. Noah) writes:
> 
> > I have a 386/40 with VGA and all the goodies incl a FAX-Modem. I also have
> > a few HF radios a Halicrafter SX-43 and R-44, and a Realistic DX-440.
> > What I want to do is use the 440 to pick up faxs. I was wondering what i'd
> > have to do. from what i assume it should be a matter of a cable from the
> > speaker jack to the fax-modem..set the fax modem for 1200 baud and bingo.
> > of course it can't be that simple (and cheap) can it ?
> 
> Nope; they are different beasts.
> 
> The FAX card uses digital signals; the WEFAX like you hear on 8080 KHz is 
> analog.  I've seen a simple kit that uses a chip, a transistor, and the 
> game port on the PC.  Kit with software was selling for around $25; that 
> was several years ago, and I forget who was selling them.
> 
> Maybe someone else around here has that info.

  You might also consider one from AEA called AEA-FAX (naturally). 
It's a small device that connects to the serial port of the 
computer (but still allows the port to be used for other things 
when your not copying FAX) and comes with some nice software. It's 
about the only one I've seen that is both relatively cheap (don't 
remember exactly how much) and still gives you full grey scale FAX 
(not just black and white) and will also do "false color" based on 
the frequency of the tone. It will also do all the normal HF FAX 
modes so you can copy news FAX (if you can find any :-). As long 
as you get a good clean audio signal into it, the picture quality 
is great!

BTW, I have no connection of any kind with AEA, other than owning 
several of their products :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Organization: very little
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:19:54 GMT

In article <7117@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie) writes:
>
>I don't think I would have minded the attitudes of the folks at Tel-Com
>quite so much if the place hadn't absolutely REEKED of cigarette smoke!
>Being ignored is bad enough; being ignored when you want DESPARATELY
>to get out the door before you GAG from the stench is quite another
>matter.  It got to a point where, if we decided to go up there for 
>something, I'd send Dan in; when he came out, we'd leave the windows
>open all the way home to air him out, because he (and everything he bought) 
>generally stank of stale cigarettes after spending 5 minutes in their shop.
>
>I'm starting to be rather wishy-washy about going into Rivendell Electronics
>in Derry, NH lately, too, because Noel and/or Pete seem to smoke on the job.
>It's a major-league turnoff for me... (and yes, I'm responsible for
>the no-smoking rule at one of the local club's meetings; I'm pretty close
>to doing the same for the other club we belong to, too).  Noel is not the
>arrogant type, and is generally pretty helpful, but as far as I'm concerned
>he'd probably do lots better business if he'd outlaw smoking in the shop.
>

Maybe this is just a Left Coast phenomena, but does the state actually
allow smoking in retail stores?  It has been illegal in Washington state
for quite sometime, although it took awhile for the retailers to catch
on.

You might inquire with your local lung association and find out about
the laws and enforcement.

In the Seattle area it is very rare to walk into a retail establishment
and see or smell cigarette smoke.  We had a surplus electronics store
here in town (United Products) where everyone there smoked on the
job.  The fire dept started hassling them, and then they put up signs
saying it was a private establishment and that if you didn't like
smoke, don't come in.  This didn't help their case, as the law looks
at this like they would a restaurant that doesn't comply with health
dept rules, but posts disclaimers.

United Products went out of business awhile back.  Don't know if
the fines from the fire dept had any part in it or not.  I imagine
that given the choice, nicotine addicts may choose to close down
the source of their livlihood rather than give up tobacco.



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From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Smoking Kits (was dx-20)
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:25:07 EDT
Organization: American Radio Relay League

; 
;In rec.radio.amateur.misc, jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) writes:
; 
;>One day I encountered a basement full of noxious smoke. A small
;>flame was visible inside the transmitter, and the meter was
;>melted! Yes, an electrolytic had shorted.... A fairly large
;>quantity of tar had poured out the bottom of the transformer.
;>I carefully scraped it off the chassis, heated it in a tin cup,
;>and poured it back in!   ... etc ...
; 
;>I later sold the T-60 ...
; 
;Who did you sell it to?
; 
;  Yessir, here's a fine classic transmitter... It's in perfect
;  shape, only used by a little old lady on Sundays.  Special price
;  just for you today only...
; 
;AL N1AL
; 
Some local (Buffalo NY) ham bought it in 1963. He put it
in a new cabinet (paint was slightly scorched on old one),
and sold it again. That's the last I saw of it. The ham to
who I sold it is apparently no longer licensed.....

Jim, KR1S
From: fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:13:29 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct11.153900.13146@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard
Spanbauer) writes:
> In article <7117@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie) writes:
>
  [my diatribe about the heavy smoking going on at Tel-Com deleted for brevity] 
>
> I found your posting scary.  Has it all really come down to
> discriminating who you do business with based on personal habits?  What
> next?  Mode of dress out of date?  Don't like their choice in cars?
> 
> Show a little tolerance, OM!  
> 
> 					Rick Spanbauer, WB2CFV
> 
> PS. I don't smoke, no one in my house smokes, etc. 

When the mode of dress of the folks I do business with has a direct impact
on my health, yes, I will stop doing business with them.

When their choice in cars requires me to come home, throw everything I'm wearing
into the laundry and throw myself into the shower to get the air around me to
a point where I can breathe again, yes, I will stop doing business with them.

When their personal habits stick to their merchandise so strongly that I have
to leave it outside to air out for a day or two before I can use it, yes,
I stop doing business with them.

I stopped doing business with Tel-Com because I couldn't breathe in their shop.
If the smoking at Rivendell continues, I will be forced to stop doing business
with them for the same reason.

It's not a matter of tolerance, believe me...


Faith N1JIT

p.s. glad to hear you don't smoke!


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Marlboro, MA 01752           Phone: (508)460-2632

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From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Plans to build transceivers.
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:49:37 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <uuVDsB2w164w@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org> stevej@pillock.moron.vware.mn.org (Steven Jarosh, KA0VYB) writes:
>>gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>
>>> In article <91913@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) 
>>> >
>>> >I would like to build a rig which good to great RF performance.  I
>>> >have very little interest in memories and all the latest bells and
>>> >whistles.
>>> 
>>> Well first you find a pair of 6146s.......
>>
>>...then you build a matching network....
>
>....and a 6CL6 driver stage....
>
>Gary KE4ZV


... and drive it with a T-195 
    VFO...

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