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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dr Who Computer Game
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:13:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.063235.19848@honte.uleth.ca>, tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg) writes:
|>      I know nothing about the any Dr Who computer game, but I do know two
|> things:
|> 	1) I have a version of Daleks for the Mac, which is shareware, and I
|> can post or send if requested.  (Fun logic game!)

This isn't the shareware "strategy" Dalek game. This is an action/adventure,
and it's commercial. From what I could see of the screenshot, it looked to be
in the U.S. Gold style - altho I hope it's not.

In response to the original question...

It's available for European Amigas (See the big Amiga ads in Classic Comics? -
neet) so it should be ported to NTSC Amigas when it reaches our shores - 
whenever that may be.

|> 	2) The local arcade has a Dr Who pinball game.  Recent (7 doctors), bad
|> art, good game.

Haven't seen that yet. Penn station it supposed to have one, but I never got 
there.

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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Celery
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:27:47 GMT

In <1643@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams) writes:

>If he gets the celery for the first time in Castrovalva, he definately
>replaces it in Visitation, but I'm sure he replaces it again after that.
>I must look at that vid again and see exactly what happens.

He replaces it in Enlightenment as well.
I think...

Daniel.
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Subject: Re: Survival
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:12:37 GMT+12
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Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <brad.726365823@hawk> brad@hawk.adied.oz.au (Bradley Edelman) writes:
>
>I was watching Survival last night.  Near the end the Master takes the Doctor
>back to the other planet to fight it out.  Then the Doctor is teleported back
>to Earth.  Does that mean the Doctor became an animal too and could "go home"
>(even though Earth isn't his home)?

I've always assumed that this scene was meant to imply that the Tardis was
the Doctor's home.


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Subject: Ian Marter's Doctor film
From: jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair)
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:56:55 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University


Has anyone ever seen the script of the proposed film that Iam Marter had
whipped up several years ago for Tom Baker's Doctor, with Vincent Price to have
been the villain?

     -Jim, who has seen too many people forging Will Wheaton on the Tar Trek
Board to always take names on face-value.
From: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: RE: THE VALEYARD'S TRUE G
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) 

-> - When the Master said 'between your 12th and last regeneration' when
-> describin
Whoa, I may be wrong here, but I am almost positive that he used the
word "incarnation" NOT "regeneration".... Thus, there is no problem
going against the 12 regeneration limit. Unless you guys are absolutely
sure, I really think it was incarnation...
    - Doug

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From: neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan)
Subject: Re: patrick troughton club
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:25:39 GMT

gregoryf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Fink) writes:

>does anyone out there (especially toronto area) know if the 
>patrick troughton appreciation society is still in
>operation? 

   About two years ago they suddenly stopped operation then last January
they put out a small newsletter saying they were back.  Since then
no-one has heard from them.   

   -Neal Crossan-
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From: bhwhelan@unix2.tcd.ie (Blake)
Subject: Re: Terminus out on video
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:46:47 GMT

In <3366@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts) writes:


>The January Dr. Who video release has turned out to be Terminus,
>second story in the Peter Davison Black Guardian trilogy. I was quite
>surprised to see it on the shelves when I was expecting the Daemons.

>So what happened to the Daemons release? Have BBC video realised that
>releasing Daemons directly after its showing on BBC2 was not a good
>idea. When will Silver Nemesis be released?

I don't think the BBC know what they're doing. Since they got rid of
JNT, they've been chopping and changing the '93 releases every week!
The Daemons was supposed to replace Silver Nemesis (which was supposed
to be the only special to be released because the covers were already
printed), and now you tell me Terminus (previously due in Feb.) is to
replace the Daemons. I can only presume that both are to be released in
the future, but don't look for any release schedules - take it a month at a
time, after all that's what the Beeb are doing, methinks.

B.

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From: G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: re: Terminus out on video
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:32:53 GMT


 ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu (Steven.K.Manfred) writes:

>Well, according to the latest DWM, you should also be getting "Enlightenment"
>along with "Terminus" about now.  This was normally scheduled.  

I'll believe it when I see it!! In London Oxford Street, only Terminus
is on the shelves. 

The release shedules for all the cult tv seem to be getting more
random and some shops get their stock days before others. It's also
worth shopping around to see who has the cheapest price as well. For
example, Virgin is selling TNG tapes 57/58 but none of the other
major stores seem to have them yet. 


>"The Daemons", if not out already, is coming soon to your shelves.
Low priority since it was shown on BBC2 late last year. I would prefer
other stories that haven't been seen for a long time.

Graham
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:17:35 -0500 
From: Maulik Harish Shah <msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Question



I've only caught a few of the seventh doctor shows- However I remember
seeing a part of a McCoy (Mccoy?) show where he says something that made
me go "WHAT?" He said something to the effect (I think) that he wasnt a
time lord or something like that. I understand that there was an effort
in the Mccoy years to remystify the doctor. Could somebody please
explain where I heard this, which show He states what the quote which I
may remember and then I wont be confused anymore. I think.



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From: oasis@jcwrs.watson.ibm.com (GA.Hoffman)
Subject: Passport Radar Detector For Sale
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:09:59 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


My trusty Passport is for sale .. $100 or best offer.
I was given a new toy.

cheers, g

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RISC Systems, Watson Research
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From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Re:  The Watcher's Origin
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:39:05 GMT

In article <1iugh2INNiqt@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu>, 
kausch@jameson.math.lsa.umich.edu writes:

>...But what about in Planet of the Spiders when the other time-lord (DW's
>old mentor, I forget his name) keeps a projection of his next regeneration
>around as a side-kick?  The laws of cause and effect  are not in question
>in this episode, are we to assume that this other time-lord had capacities
>beyond those of our beloved DW?  (Or even DW's subconscious?)  Or beyond
>these universal laws of "cause and effect?" 

I believe the Abbot's name was something close to Kanpo Rimpoche.  As for 
how Cho-je (the future self) existed simultaneously, I always figured the
Doctor answered that when the Abbot teased him about stealing the Tardis 
and he replied "Well, I needed to leave and I hadn't your power"  The
clear implication was that Kanpo _didn't_ need a Tardis in order to leave
Gallifrey!  Cho-je may simply have been the Abbot's 
assistant/dogsbody/doppelganger/private joke or all of the above.

In any case, the Doctor was certainly of the opinion that Kanpo's abilities
exceeded his own -- the mentoring relationship was still very much in
evidence in this episode. 


Crystal
From: rpk@niagara.edu (Richard P. Kernin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ISBN/Book Database Complete
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Thanks to all who have contributed to the database!  I've got ISBNs for
all the books currently in the database.  Sometime this week I will
make it available at (frontios) for download.  This database has 182 entries
in it, with all the New Adventures (that I know of), and the Target novels,
with a smattering of other books.  Once I've uploaded it I will go from
there for making additions (I know I'm missing a few, ie. "The Cybermen" by
David Banks, etc.).

Take care.

-Rich

PS> if anyone knows of *good* mail server software for Berkeley UNIX (BSD)
    drop me a line, and I will consider setting it up to work with the FTP
    archive.

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Terminus out on video
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:16:40 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <3366@ucl-cs.uucp>, G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts) writes:
> 
> The January Dr. Who video release has turned out to be Terminus,
> second story in the Peter Davison Black Guardian trilogy. I was quite
> surprised to see it on the shelves when I was expecting the Daemons.
> 
> So what happened to the Daemons release? Have BBC video realised that
> releasing Daemons directly after its showing on BBC2 was not a good
> idea. When will Silver Nemesis be released?
> 
> Graham
> G.Roberts@uk.ac.ucl.cs

Well, according to the latest DWM, you should also be getting "Enlightenment"
along with "Terminus" about now.  This was normally scheduled.  
"The Daemons", if not out already, is coming soon to your shelves.

Steven.K.Manfred



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From: hagel@stsci.edu
Subject: Stealing Regenerations (WAS The Valeyard & the Keeper)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:19:10 GMT




>How could one "steal" the remaining regenerations from a Time Lord?  

For starters, there was the method nearly used in "Mawdryn Undead", 
although the Doctor's cooperation was required in that case.  Can anyone 
think of other possibilities?

Crystal

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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: The Doctor's Love Interest
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:41:45 GMT

bmedley@hounix.org (Bert Medley) writes:

>I thought the Elixir of Life had something to do with being a TL also?
>[Morbius' Brain]


No.  The Timelords only use that when they're having trouble regenerating.
They state [Morbius' Brain] that when Morbius let it be known to the outside
universe of the Elixir of Life, many came to try and steal it, extending their 
lives - making the sisterhood keep a constant watch over it and any strangers
/ intruders that might come to the planetary system to steal it!  (that's
why they caused all the crashes of spaceships in the area).
	At first I thought that the sisterhood were timelords also, but
when I rewatched it, I saw that there is nothing really to base that 
assumption on.
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: Doug_Lewis@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Doug Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr Who Movie
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:53:53 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

 EC> Second of all, both are available on video.  (Well, they are
 EC> over here, so certainly should be over there.)

 EC> People in the U.S.: Public television stations can get the
 EC> rights to air them, and the second film I've seen listed on
 EC> independent (commercial) stations a few times (like part of
 EC> the movie-at-noon so many stations have).  If you can't get
 EC> them on video, ask to have them aired.

They are shown occasionally on Cable TV. Those of you with in the US with
the USA Network or WGN out of Chicago would probably see them most often.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

doug_lewis@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ISBN for Transit
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:48:41 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Here is the ISBN for Ben Aaronovitch's Transit:   0-426-20384-4

Expect to see a review of this in the near future.

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

International Sociopathic Book Nerd.
From: kausch@med.umich.edu (David Kausch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Watcher's Origin
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:19:30 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
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In article <1351@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, David Owen <dro@dsbc.icl.co.uk> writes:
|> Following the recent discussion of the Doctor's regenerations, I thought
|> I'd add my views on The Watcher.
|> ...
|> Thus, the Watcher was not a product of the Doctor's subconcious, the TARDIS,
|> of the Time Lords, but simply his fifth body, which sprang in to being before
|> it was required because cause and effect was breaking down.
|> 
|> Well that's how I always understood it. Any views or evidence for or against
|> gladly received.
|> 
|> Dave.


...Interesting.  In fact, quite a nice little theory, I'd buy it.  But what 
about in Planet of the Spiders when the other time-lord (DW's old mentor, I
forget his name) keeps a projection of his next regeneration around as a side-kick?  The laws of cause and effect  are not in question in this episode,
are we to assume that this other time-lord had capacities beyond those of our
beloved DW?  (Or even DW's subconscious?)  Or beyond these universal laws of
"cause and effect?"
	...hmmm, an interesting philosophical side-track: do these laws of
cause and effect exist?  (In fact, are they mentioned in Logopolis?)  It's
seems a classically western belief that such laws do exist, whereas classical
eastern belief would tend to say the opposite.  Comments?


p. de terre
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From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Subject: TMAW
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:01:41 GMT


TMAW= The Most Annoying War!


What's become of this?

Elena
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From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: New Adventure book list please
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:49:30 GMT

Could someone post a revised and updated New Adventures book list please.
I'd like to know when to expect the next one and what it's about.

Thanx

Happy Halibut VI
From: davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Buddy Brannan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: A message from Mr. Ryan K. Johnson (Repost)
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:02:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

But..but...but..but...this is awful!!! Terrible!!! I haven't sent off for one
yet...does anyone have a copy of this they might be willing to make available,
or something along those lines...? :-) ('swhat I get for procrastinating, hey?)

Moo.
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Constants a Movie should observe
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:31:39 GMT

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu wrote:
>I've been giving thought to this in-the-works Doctor Who movie that will
>probably finally get made here in a year or two.  

>There are few constants in all of the television series, but what few there
>are I feel are sort of "sacred" and should be observed in the movie, and
>then everything else is open to whatever the producers want.  I feel like
>is these particular things aren't done, then I can't consider it "official"
                                              ^...?
>Doctor Who. 

[list of restrictions deleted]

>Just get those things right, or mostly right, and I'll be happy.

I guess there won't be an "official" Doctor Who movie then!

Why does it have to conform to the series? There are bunch of different
versions of Star Trek, but it's all still Trek. The fact that they are all
different is what makes them fresh. Even if you restrict yourself to the
original series and the movies, the movies have enough differences, but they
still worked. The ship was different, they even destroyed it, and there wasn't
a problem.

I think the only requirements behind a Doctor Who movie are that (1) the
Doctor is in it (and he's basically the same character), (2) he has some form
of TARDIS (so he fixes the chameleon circuit - granted it SHOULD look like a
police box, but I'll live), (3) the movie has a theme similar to the show.

Credits? Music? etc. Who cares? Let the movie be different from the series.
People who aren't satisfied will only call out more loudly for the return of
the series.

If it's going to be like the series, then it has to be a bunch of episodes,
and that will get expensive paying for them individually at the theatre. 8-)
(when will the Doctor Who movie come out in episode format!)

Tom
From: richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter)
Subject: The Dark side of the Doctor
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:52:33 GMT

Am I right in thinking that the old Doc's turning into a bit of an evil
blokie in the New Adventures. I certainly think so. Still, look what
happened to Borusa after his regenerations.

Happy Halibut VII
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Subject: Re: cheap videos from CBS/Fox...?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 12:28:42 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

> I just got my monthly catalog from QPB (Quality Paperback Books). They also
> offer audio and video. They've offered Doctor Who before for $19.95. This
> month lists Shada, Caves of A., Pertwee Years, and Tomb for $14.95 each. Has
> anyone seen Who videos for this much? Unfortunately (?), I already have them
> all. I can't imagine that shipping would be $5 so it should still be cheaper
> than $19.95 + tax.
> 
> Tom

I've seen DW videos at my local Suncoast Video store for $14.95.  I was
actually surprised to hear the the "real" price was $19.95.


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From: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood)
Subject: Re: Adventures in the 1800s
Reply-To: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:20:26 GMT

In article 1igr9eINN203@darkstar.UCSC.EDU, ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio) writes:
>
>
>While there may be some brief scenes in the period, the stories which
>have major scenes in the 19th century are:
>
>The Gunfighters  (1881)
>The Evil of the Daleks  (1866)
>The Talons of Weng-Chiang  (1889)
>Mark of the Rani  (1900)
>Timelash  (1885)
>Ghost Light  (I don't recall the precise year, and my information stretches
>              only to series 25, but it's definitely in the 1800s, since it
>              apparently is in Darwin's lifetime -- 1809-1882)
>
>--
>Email replies must be sent to keeper@deeptht.armory.com
>


This may be a bit picky, but as I remember, Mark of the Rani revolved around the Luddite 
riots at the beginning of the industrial revolution in Britain. This must surely be circa
1800, NOT 1900.

Phil Isherwood
pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:05:55 GMT

bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>Back to the Master's 13th regeneration.   In Keeper of Traken the Master
>transforms the body he grabs from a white haired fully bearded man to
>a blacked haired man that is very like his last incarnation. So
>WHY could NOT the Doctor's possesion of the Keeper of the Matrix have
>the same result? If this is a result of pulling off the non-leathal
>13th regeneration then the Valeyard's threat can also be seen as a
>misdirection so no one will look at the Keeper of the Matrix until the
>Valeyard has time to put his new body through another regeneration and
>change his appearence. That seems to cover everything.

I don't know why people keep saying this.  The Master did not have a 13th
regeneration.  The Doctor states in Logopolis (when he finds out that the
Master is still alive) to Adric I believe, the following:

Doctor:  The Master is still alive?  He must of took over Tremas' body.

Adric:  Can he do that?

Doctor:  Wel-l-l...with all the power of the Keeper floating around...

This is paraphrasing, and I'm not even sure if he was talking to Adric,
but I do remember the Doctor stating that it was the keepers powers 
that allowed the Master to do that - not a regeneration.  And I think that
if it had been, the Doctor would have mentioned that he had regenerated
and been helped by the Keeper's powers...this is too important for 
anyone to say the "well...maybe the Doctor just didn't say that" - excuse.

	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)

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