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	What happened to qualifying tYres then ?
	I thought they were still in use.

	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: jsmith@eoe.co.uk (James G Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: world sport?
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:29:16 GMT
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
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I'm sorry that this isn't really an auto sports reply... I am just
getting drawn into the flame war over words.

esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)) writes:
: >>>>>And remember, F1 is a world sport and this is a world net. 
: >>>>Wrong, F1 is a European sport.
: >This year we have races in South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, Canada, Japan, and
: >Australia;
: 
: On the other hand, that does not mean that F1 is not an international
: sport.
: alan

F1 is international in that there are a collection of drivers,
constructors, sponsors, circuits etc. from different nations.
Therefore it cannot be anything but viewed as "inter" national.

: However, since they are supposed to be international, they should
: consider it as embarrassment that they don't hold an F1 event in the U.S.

WHY? Is it not international because they didn't hold an event in
"insert favourite small country here with a GNP of a carrot"? It is
only feasible to hold so many events, so some "sites" will lose out.
Like the city/nation that "gets" the olympics, the circuits chosen for
a particular year probably depends on who gets there first with the
most amount of money.  Remembering that a lot of the money comes from
the TV rights (and the sponsors desiring to get coverage), and this
money comes from the countries that are interested in the sport.

The thing that really made me want to reply to this message was the
above statement being from a nation where they call some competition
winners "world champions" when they don't even play any teams from
other countries. A bit conceited if you ask me. As a USofA american
does it not embarass you that there is no professional American
Football league in France, yet you call the sport international? I
didn't think so (France may well have such a league, but the point
still stands, just insert some country that doesn't :-).

Remember the world is SLIGHTLY bigger than 250million USofA residents.

I don't mean to be USofA american bashing here (some of my best
friends, etc. etc.), but I don't think people should get too upset
just because some other people don't want to play in their back-yard.

An international event need only involve two countries. F1 is a world
sport in that it DOES involve all the continents (that aren't
permanently covered in snow).

-- Jamie
James G. Smith : Phone +44-223-844755 ext. 248
(use +44-223-843131 if dialling from a non-DTMF phone)
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re:    INDYCAR news - Eddie Cheever
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:04:50 GMT

In article <92239.080251MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>Chip Ganassi owner of the Scotch/Target Indycar team had
>fired driver Eddie Cheever.
>Does anyone have the story here
>or is it a bogus report.

It's in the new AutoWeek.  I'm not sure if that verifies it.  ;-)

--
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From: tiot_kk@tac.fi (Kimmo Kauranen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Rally of the Thousands Lakes after 8/37 special stages
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:25:08 +0300
Organization: City of Tampere

In article <1992Aug28.084554.1540@tac.fi>, tiot_kk@tac.fi (Kimmo Kauranen) writes:
> THE RALLY OF THE THOUSANDS LAKES (JYVASKYLAN SUURAJOT)
> ======================================================

After 8 special stages Didier Auriol is still leading and Juha Kankkunen is the
second. The drivers are now driving in the old home town of Juha (Laukaa quite
near Jyvaskyla).

SS 8/37
=======
1. Didier Auriol, Fra
2. Juha Kankkunen, Fin
3. Markku Alen, Fin

-- 
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Kimmo Kauranen  *  Department of Information Technology
                *  City of Tampere, FINLAND
From: wayned@cbnewse.cb.att.com (wayne.martin.degrange)
Subject: Re: Rahal/Johansson/Mario/Tracy
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:49:26 GMT
Summary: screw ups, all of them!

> I find it very funny that when people defend Johansson they say that
> he was "just being aggessive" when IMHO he clearly screwed up. I mean
> where in the hell was he going to put the car? But when Mario hits
> Tracy or Little Al or ..... he is said to be screwing up. Sorry but I
> dont see any difference. I think they were both careless. I realize

I agree Mario and  Johansson are both screw ups! But lets not forget
little Mario (Micheal).  With a 30 second lead he's coming out of a turn
so fast he bunts Vasser in the back!  Sounds like a screw up to me.

This race demonstrated how dangerous 2000lbs and 700Hp with open wheels
can be in the hands of poor drivers.

Wayne
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re:    INDYCAR news - Eddie Cheever
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:24:39 GMT

In article <92239.080251MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>The newspaper , Orlando Sentinal, reported yesterday that
>Chip Ganassi owner of the Scotch/Target Indycar team had
>fired driver Eddie Cheever.

fired is such a harsh word.

Cheever will finish out the season, but Ganassi has told him that
his contract will not be renewed.  Arie L. (no, i can't spell it) was
prominent in the pits for the Scotch/Target team at road america.

cheers,
  richard
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
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From: paal-sb@hsr.no (Paal Steinar Berg)
Subject: Italian cars (was Re: Another Fiat Question)
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:32:21 GMT

I've got an '80 Alfa Romeo Alfetta 2.0 L with 200 000 km on the clock and I have
a problem with the engine. It starts an runs, no problem, but when i open the
throttle wide below 3000 revs, it stutters and pulls unevenly. Other then that it
runs beautifully. It has never died on me, and starts every morning on the first
turn. Anyone got any ideas about the stuttering??

Thanks

Paal


-Alfa Romeo, the living legend-
From: hhaas@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Harry P. Haas)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: MAZDA 12A TURBO CALL 4 HELP!!!!!!!!
Date: 29 Aug 92 13:57:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

It seems a bit arrogant to ask this guy to not post to rec.auto.sport
when you can't even keep your own message out of rec.auto.tech !!
By the way, the reply path I saw was rec.auto and rec.auto.tech.
Why not just chill . . if this kind of stuff burns you, then you're
in for a long stay in the loony house after this years elections.

>WILL YOU PEOPLE PLEASE KEEP THIS KIND OF STUFF OUT OF REC.AUTOS.SPORT?!
>IT IS FOR RACING *ONLY*, NOT QUESTIONS/DISCUSSIONS OF STREET CARS!
>
>Thank you,
>
>GBG

hh
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: PAYTON'S PLACE 
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:01:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.032938.23312@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter) writes:
*In article <q6cnqgp@lynx.unm.edu> canders@lacerta.unm.edu (Cliff Anderson CIRT) writes:
*>There was a recent article in the local news paper that noted  Walter Payton's
*>auto racing career is on the up stroke.  Does anybody out there know how good
*>he really is and, how long will it be before we see him behind the wheel at
*>INDY or DAYTONA?

*I have seen walter at both desmoines and road america this year. Its
*safe to say he's bought the best equipment. All thats lacking is some
*help in the drivers compartment. While I'm not saying he's bad, lets
*just say its a good thing he made his money in football.

i have a racer friend who knows Payton moderately well.  as he puts it,
``real nice guy.  breaks a lot of cars.''

having seen some of his races, i would have to assess his style as
being overly agressive, and his career will be limited to what he can
pay for out of his own pocket, until he calms down and smooths out.

cheers,
  richard
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From: rlsx@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (russell.l.stauffer)
Subject: Bubba (NASCAR)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:17:16 GMT

Article in yesterday's newspaper (from AP or UPI) says that, because NASCAR
racing has become so overwhelmingly popular, it has become a major vehicle
for another breed of "advertisers": election campaigns.  We've already been
treated to Bush at one race, Quayle at another.  This week (I think) Quayle
is appearing again on Friday and/or Saturday for qualifying, while Clinton
is the Grand Marshall on Sunday.

I don't remember who said it, but the main reason is said to be "the Bubba
vote".  They're after the huge population of lower-middle-class, blue-collar
workers, and figure that's what makes up the majority of NASCAR fans.  It's
a great opportunity, with the average attendance at each race, plus the huge
TV crowd, to appear before a huge audience.

Personally, I think the "pompous-assness" of politics should leave the GOBs
alone & fraternize with some of the other popular forms of motorsports in
this country.  Me & my pals Bubba want to watch some racin', and don't
really care who waves that green flag on Sunday.

Article was interesting.  Some Congressman, I believe, until he found out
he was running unopposed, had lined up Dale Earnhardt to appear at a
political fundraiser.  Many smaller politicians (i.e. local Congressmen)
often eat up the opportunity to appear before the crowds, and will also
"grand marshall" an event, or drive the pace car for a lap, or something
to get "publicized" at the track.

Unfortunately, although I'm sure it is just adding to the general national
popularity of the sport (news reports that generally don't give a hoot to
NASCAR racing will write about so-and-so appearing at the race...), it
probably is an added inconvenience and cost for NASCAR and the tracks.
It's basically "free advertising" for these politicians.  They should have
to pay, like Bud, Tide, and the rest.  They want exposure, next time they
should have to sponsor a car.  If some team got some bucks for putting
"Bill Clinton for President" on their car, the Republicans would then have
to inject some $$ into some other team's bank account.  We're talking about
currently unsponsored cars, where they could get the most bang-for-the-buck
& plaster their smiling pictures all over the car.  Your better-known Dale,
Davey and Darrell types are well sponsored & shouldn't have to get involved.
If the political types were real smart, they'd sponsor an event.  The "George
Bush 500" would plaster the "image" in our skulls a zillion times (every
commercial break on TV, every "results" article in newspapers, etc.).

Russ Stauffer
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Boutsen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:48:09 GMT

Michael Robe <mr4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Hello there!

>Any news of what Thierry Boutsen will be driving next year?

>Michel.


     The last I heard, Thierry was going to be the 2nd Sauber driver. But,
since then I have seen other names associated. I'm not sure what to believe 
and not believe.

Regards,
Cory
From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Driver injured?
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:05:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug26.230527.46
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.192439.1354@hubcap.clemson.edu> csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:
>From article <1992Aug24.220028.17797@colorado.edu>, by cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub):
>> I thought i caught in passing during something on TNN yesterday that a
>> driver was seriously injured in a sprint or midget race in indiana.
>> 
>> I'm 800 miles away from home without my vcr so taping the weekly shows
>> on espn and tnn is not an option for receiving news.  Can anybody give
>> some details?
>> 
>> thanks...
>> -- 
> 
>The driver in question is Dan Drinan, who you may recall from "Saturday Night
>Thunder."  He was running in a race in Springfield, Indiana(I think that's
>where it was) when he and Brian Gerke(?) got together and went into the wall.
>There was a photo of the incident in this morning's Anderson, SC paper, with
>a caption saying that Drinan suffered a head injury and multiple fractures,
>while Gerke was treated and released from the hospital.  Judging from the 
>photograph, Dan probably has a seriously messed-up left arm, as it looked
>almost like he was waving to the crowd as he was semi-inverted in the air.
>I just hope he has a smooth and quick recovery.
>
>Shane Roach
>csroach@eng.clemson.edu
>
>

Probably at Springfield, IL at the state fair.  On the very fast mile,
I'd reckon, tho I didn't think they raced midges there any more; they
do race the Silver Crown guys.

-- 
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Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1
Keywords: racing autos formula1 newsgroups
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:53:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Aug23.205312.862
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

The informal results are inconslusive, so I will not be pursuing
this effort.  Thanks to all who have shared their thoughts with me
over electronic mail.  In fact, the current count is about 60% 
against, 40% for.  Curiously, the length of the message has an 
almost perfect negative correllation to the vote.  Those who had a
lot of interesting things to say tended to go along with the idea of
a split.

My opinion is that unless you're willing to advocate a new group (and
am an anti-advocate; wanting to do this go rid the group of the locusts
we all know and dislike), don't try instantiating a new group.  It won't
work.  

I would advocate the F1 gang rise up and find their own home where at
least they won't be subject to the minority's scorn.

This has been interesting.  Thanks to everyone who offered their thoughtful
comments; and to those who only offered the most base, emotional of 
responses.  You know who you are.  Get a grip on yourselves.
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Trivia - Almost WDCs
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:21:09 GMT
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


As a followup to one of the last F1 trivia question, here are two more:

1 (the easy one): Which driver was capable of winning the WDC in the last
race of two different seasons, but did not - and he never won the WDC.

2 (a bit more difficult): Name the drivers who have come soooooo close to 
winning the WDC, yet never have.  This is determined by finding drivers who 
could have won the title in the last race of the year, but didn't.  Also, 
don't include any driver in this situation who had a previous WDC title or 
won it later on.  (Hint: there are 9 different drivers)

Send answers to burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com.  The winners will be announced
Tuesday next week.
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From: dp54@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Rob Silcher)
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:30:42 GMT

In article <thos.715387148@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <3380046@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>
>>Schumacher was doing everything he could to get around.  The last thing
>>he needed was for Brundle to start getting aggressive behind him, yet this
>>is exactly what happened.
>
>>For awhile it looked like good old Brutal would ram his nose up Schumacher's
>>tail pipe yet again...thankfully Schumacher was able to make the pass on Senna
>>on Senna's right while at the same time Brundle charged him on the left.
>
>>Is it any wonder that quite a few people dislike Brundle?  He has absolutely
>>so concept of team driving.  I would hate to see him paired with Mansell, 
>>Prost or Senna for fear that his actions would cause one shunt after another.
>
>It looks like a couple of you think so highly of Schumacher that
>no one else is able to challenge him. Certainly not his team mate,
>who after all has equal equipment and couldn't possibly be as fast
>in it.
>
>And who are these 'quite a few' people? There don't seem to be that
>many that I've noticed. And while you may call him 'brutal', who was
>it earlier in the season who kept taking himself and Senna out, through
>stupidity? You may call it youthful exhuberance, but there's no place
>for that in a professional racer.

I'll go on record as being a supporter of Schumacher.

You seem to be saying that at the beginning of the season all Schumacher did
was take himself and Senna out. If I remember correctly it was Schumacher
who was finishing on the podium and Brundle not finishing at all.

>
>IMHO Brundle is a damn sight more professional that Schumacher in his
>approach, and nearly as fast. In fact, probably as fast, just not as
>aggressive (or suicidal).

Ok. If you were a team owner would you want a 'professional' that maybe
gets one 3rd place finish in an entire season or an aggressive driver that 
gets many top three finishes with some wins?

>
>>Schumacher is an up and coming star, yet his career could be ended in an 
>>incident such as occured in Hungary.
>
>Oh puleeeze! Give it a break.
>-- 

Yeah, losing your rear wing couldn't ever result in a dangerous accident.

Although I am a Schumacher fan I'm not going to call Brundle 'Brutal'. I
do think he is a good driver but not as good as Schumacher.

>thos cohen  				       |Softway Pty Ltd
> The best way to make a Japanese engineer wince|ACSnet:         thos@softway.oz
> is (when talking about an NSX) to say slowly  |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
> 'but its _not a Ferrari_ is it?' R.Bulgin, CAR|Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au

Rob Silcher
From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: Building F1/IndyCars in N. America (was: World or national series?)
Organization: none
	<1992Aug27.201656.12034@igor.tamri.com>
	<1992Aug28.121107.10980@wes.on.ca>
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:48:07

In article <1992Aug28.121107.10980@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:

   > marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
   >> I cannot help to conclude that, for some reason, there do not seem to
   >> be US companies which are able to design and build chassis which are
   >> competitive with British-English companies at the level of F1 or
   >> IndyCar/CART racing.  The same appears to be true of engines.

Actually, a lot of tubs have been fabricated in the US. Including a
lot of Mclaren MP4s.
From: harmon@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Jim Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: question about F1 point system
Date: 26 Aug 1992 08:40:33 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

I have a question about the F1 points system.  I have been following F1
since 1980 and I still fail to understand the incentive for teams that 
never score points to continue racing. Do they get prize money or 
something like that for finishing out of the top 6?

harmon@mps.ohio-state.edu

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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: F1: some Belgian questions
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:16:51 GMT


I've got an additional question:

Has anybody considered making an "all-season" tire for these cars?
One which has some water dissipating treads but can be driven flat out
in the dry with only slightly less grip than a pure slick.  This may
sound somewhat ridiculous, but then consider the number of pit stops
these guys took and the number of laps they drove with the wrong tire
on.  i.e.  Senna and Mansell.

Comments?  


eliot
From: MJackson.Wbst147@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: some Belgian questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:50:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: Xerox."31-Aug-92.10:50:12.EDT".*.MJackson.Wbst147
Reply-To: MJackson.Wbst147@xerox.com

Received: by yngvi.wbst147 (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA16198; Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:50:58
EDT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

1) ESPN noted that Senna's in-car camera showed him to be using the backup
switches to shift his McLaren's 3/4-automatic gearbox one gear at a time.
Recalling Berger's clutch failure on the grid, and his need to use the backup
in an earlier race:  does this indicate a serious reliability problem with the
system, or did Ayrton simply distrust the computer selection under the
conditions (wet on slicks)?

2) Speaking of Berger's "clutch" failure on the grid:  what kind of breakage
leaves the car stuck in gear with the clutch engaged, exactly where it stopped
after the warmup lap, and manifests itself too late for Gerhard to wave his
arms to abort the start?

3) Speaking of McLarens, I noticed at midrace that Senna's rain light was off.
Did it fail, or was it off because it is turned on when the car comes in for
rain tires?  Isn't there some regulation about this?

4) Speaking of regulations, it appears that the silly "stop a dry race to
declare it wet" rule has been changed.  When did this happen, and what is the
new rule?

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
    TV dinner by the pool; I'm so glad I finished school!
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