HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote)
Subject: A Fistful of Data's small spoiler
Reply-To: faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:06:06 GMT

As a result of this show, I can tell that a lot of people went scrambling
to their PC's and sampled Worf's line for their computer,
"I am starting to see the appeal of this program!"
:)
Joe F
 
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From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!! (spoilers ahead)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:56:20 GMT

>
>>  I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of the ST writers simply creating
>>a sentient species that can be viewed as consistently inferior.

I can understand that sentiment. How about a Q-Ferengi? (yipes!)

Bill
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Sux
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:51:57 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <johnsh-111192151401@mustang.stu.rpi.edu> johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) writes:

>In article <Mf0InCa00VpF0jZWgu@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Richard K. Shehady"
><rs7f+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> I have Never, to this day, seen the Enterprise beat an enemy warship of
>> comparable power. 
>> If the enterprise is the flagship of the mighty Federation, shoudn't
>> if be able to handle two Klingon vessels piloted by Ferengi?  I know
>> the Enterprise is not technically a warship, but judging by the way
>> it is refered to, I'd assume it is a cruiser-class ship.  

The more I watch the show, the more convinced I am that the Enterprise is a
spit-and-polish ship built to impress alien ambassadors and the like. It is
definitely not a combat ship (at least not with the saucer attached).

>The fun is watching
>our favorite crew use their smarts -- instead of their arsenals -- to get
>out of snares.

Too bad that most "smarts" are of "previously unknown beta-modulated zetronium
radiation with a 4% chance of success" kind.

So far, I am very disappointed with the new season. A cliche Scotty episode
(it was OK, actually), then the cheap horror flick and now "Rascals" (yuck!).

I think it is time to start making movies...or to start discussing new issues.

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From: gvelden@ccs.northeastern.edu (George E Van Dervelden)
Subject: Music in Fistful of Datas
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:11:59 GMT



To those  of you who have seen 'A Fist Full of Datas' from the sattelite,
here's a question:

                        From the promos I got the impression that this
                        episode may actually have some good music. Something
                        other than what we're used to. How is the music?
                        Can we expect something good, or just the usual?
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From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: Troi's (insert body part of choice here)
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:37:13 GMT

In article <1wsHTB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, trekkie@netlink.cts.com (Bryce Newall) writes:
|> This is getting ridiculous, folks.

That's exactly the point.

|> Can't we just drop this thread and be 
|> done with it??

Why? It's alot more fun than much of the usual noise that passes through the
bowels of this group. How many of you out there found yourselves reading the
group with renewed anticipation each day over the last week, just looking
for the next bellylaugh?

I say we create rec.arts.startrek.sarcasm. The only problem would be that
all the traffic would shift over there :-)

-- 
Dave Waller
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Holodeck etiquette (or lack of it!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:30:06 GMT

steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:

>In article <12732@hq.hq.af.mil>, lpeters@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Leslie D Peters) writes:
>|> The holodeck, realistically, has fixed dimensions; however, what it
>|> to prevent the holodeck from giving Picard and Riker the *appearance*
>|> of being 3,000 miles away from each other?  
>|> 
>|> |          ___           |
>|> |         /   \          |
>|> |___JLP__/     \___WTR___|
>|> 
>|> Between them is the holograpic image spanning the distance.  If they
>|> were to start travelling towards each other, the "barrier" would be
>|> compensating for less and less distance until it falls within the 
>|> dimensions of the room.

>An explanation given in the TNG novel "Reunion" is similar to
>what you propose, with an added complication. There, one person 
>ran off into the distance while the others stood still. It was
>explained that not only was the holodeck adjusting the image to
>make it appear as though they were far apart, it was also doing
>something to the floor (making a treadmill, in effect) to allow
>the runner to keep going indefinitely without hitting the wall.
   
   Yes, the holodek uses components of the tractor beam and transporter
for its technology. The treadmill effect is caused by a "tractor-beam"-
like thing pushing the person away from others. So, not only are their
holograms, but also forces, etc. Hope this helps....

>Similarly, in your example, the adjustments to the floor would
>allow Picard and Riker to walk for 1500 miles before meeting,
>if they really wanted to.

>I liked "Reunion" pretty well, by the way. 

   I also liked "Renuion". In fact, I loved it- read it in one day!

Cory Padfield

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From: mscott@charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mark Scott)
Subject: Re: Trekkies get a life
Reply-To: mscott@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:44:04 GMT

In article <BxEtzB.EtH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, smoy@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Sharon Moy) writes:
|>    ALL REPLIES IF YOU ARE OUTRAGED TO BE POSTED ON THE NET...I DO NOT WANT 
|>    MY EMAIL FULL OF YOUR LETTERS.
-- 

sounds like an invitation to send her a bunch core dump files to me...:-)
From: wesc@ucsb.edu ((Wesley J. Chun))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Fistful of Datas **SPOILERS!!!**
Summary: the goods, the bads, the neutral zone
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:14:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.6646
Organization: University of Q-lifornia, Santa Barbara

Second posting here.  I cancelled the first one because
it didn't have the proper ^L's....   If you haven't seen
FFOD yet, leave now.

I mean it!!!

Okay, here are my weekly, brief comments:

+++++
=====
1. DA flute!
2. Brent Spiner!
3. Worf beats up a hologram. (difficulty level 1)
4. new flyby shots at the end were cool

-----
=====
1. Worf gets beaten up/shot by a hologram. (difficulty level 4)
2. Marina...  she can never get a good script, can she?
3. Two of the most useless characters show off more uselessness.

4. Worf has become soft and spoiling Alexander.  He should really
    be at Klingon reform school... make that both of them.

5. I really didn't like the fact that the computer failed to stop
    the program at Worf's, Alexander's, or Troi's request.  Just
    because the computer was flooded with elements from Data's
    memory shouldn't affect the correct operation of the holodeck.
    (They really need to redesign that thing.)  One of the three
    should have also called for the arch.  (Even Prof. Moriarty
    can do it!!	 :)

00000
=====
1. This is a FAMILY entertainment episode (not to be taken seriously)
   (this episode can be discarded, and no one will really miss it)

2. Did anyone notice that after Eli Hollander talked to his son in
    jail, it/he was replaced by a dummy whilest Durango and Sheriff
    Worf chatted with and escorted daddy out?

3. Now onto the last episode of 1992... the one with the ominous title.

W
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From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Rascals"
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:07:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Well, my expectations for TNG must be dropping, because this is the first
episode this season that I've really enjoyed. In spite of the truly bad
transporter science and almost traitorously incompetent defense of the ship,
the child crew delivered a great comic book. Easily and sadly the best episode
this season.

cheers,  
scott
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!! (spoilers ahead)
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:02:04 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:

}     Caution!!!   Spoilers betraying the intense suckiness of this episode
}ahead!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.  Not only did your critique of this show
match mine point for point, but this was the most enjoyable and downright
funny postings I've seen on this group in a long time!  Keep up the good
work.

--James Preston
From: chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Guinan's father  *SPOILERS* - Rascals
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:37:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



This is to protect the innocent...

..... and anyone else who hasn't seen "Rascals"....



So Guinan's father is still alive.  At the very beginning after Picard
brags about his archeological finds being so old, Guinan says
<paraphrase>  "So what, my father is 700 years old".  That says 
her father was not killed by the Borg and is still alive somewhere.





Chaim R. Dworkin
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu
From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (she listens like her head's on fire..)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: taken too quickly
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:48:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9373@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes...
>In article <1992Nov9.211346.1416@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:
> 
>> Yep. The ship was taken too quickly. Ricker was apparently out of it.
> 
>> In TOS "Errand of Mercy", the E was being fired at by many klingon ships...
>> a FLEET of them were involved in the struggle. Sulu followed his orders, and
>> after returning fire, he WARPED out of ORBIT!!!  
> 
>> SULU did not have his ship taken. RIKER did. I think it's time to suspend
>> his holodeck privledges for a while...

there is a difference that should be noted here. In TOS the klingons were
enemies, therefore it would be logical for Sulu to react quickly.
In st:ng, the Federation and Klingon Empire are allies so it
would be logical that Riker would not be so quick to fire upon Klingon
ships. They were caught by surprise.

> 
>Sulu later became a Captain.  We'll see if Willy makes it.  Right now, he
>looks like a weenie.  Maybe Wesley Crusher DID make all the big decisions
>and Riker's lost without him.
> 
>Terry
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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I liked Fistful of Datas *** Major Spoilers ***
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:15:26 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: chairie.caltech.edu

In article <8297@public.BTR.COM> rem@btr.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com) writes:
[lots o' stuff deleted]
>I was rather surprized that Worf was able to out-draw Data's character.
>Anybody have a good explanation? Was it because the link between Data
>and the gunfighter was weak (not enough program had been transferred),
>or because the purge of the program mixup was nearly done so the
>gunfighter was being emasculated at the time, or just the scriptwriter
>letting the good guy win for no good reason?

Did Worf outdraw Data?  I seem to recall "Data" drawing first, emptying
his six-gun into Worf's shield, then, as a henchman tossed "Data"
another gun, Worf drew and fired (or at least got a head start) *before*
"Data" had his gun ready to go.  I.e., Worf had that time while "Data"s
second gun was flying through the air as a head start.

My only curiosity is Worf's instantly wonderous aim.  Maybe he should
have a phaser built in the shape of a six-gun for himself.  ;-)
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Fleet; is it military
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:51:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.721410664
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1dmnudINNpki@chnews.intel.com> smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:
>I have been informed that star fleet isn't a military orginization, I always
>thought it was, they address each other in military ranks, and can be court
>marshaled.....
>any thoughts?

This is an old subject on this group.  But since when has that stopped us? :-)

My personal opinion is that if the organization behaves in a military
manner and has military goals (defense of territory, for instance), even if
they are not the group's *primary* goals, then it is a military organization.

(I believe that it is standard Federation propaganda that Starfleet is not
a military organization, and, certainly, it appears that it does not use its
military might offensively.  But it is military.)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"My favorite Star Trek With Jean-Luc episode is the one where some alien
 kills another in the first five minutes and then the crew debates for the
 next 55 minutes about what to do.  My favorite Star Trek With Captain Kirk
 is the same as anyone else's, the one where Kirk, overacting, falls in
 love with a beautiful alien babe, which Sock calls illogical, and where a
 bunch of security guys die.  You know the one?"
							- A friend
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Keiko/Rosiland Chao trivia ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:42:33 GMT

sstephen@us.oracle.com writes:

>Quick note, while reading through List of lists for STNG and STDSN, posted by
>mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us :

>With all the references to Kei of Naughty Pair, (the Japanese Anime/Manga
>series), I just realized that "Keiko" means "little Kei", (or "child of Kei",
>if you translate literally).  I didn't see the written Japanese, so I have no
>idea if it's the SAME KEI kanji.  Also, does anyone know about Rosiland Chao ? 
>The last name is probably Chinese, but not likely to be Japanese.  (Don't flame
>me, it seems perfectly acceptable to have a Brit play a Frenchman (Picard) --
>I'm just curious about the actress.

>From my reference books, Rosiland Chao had major roles in "The Terry Fox Story"
>and "White Ghost" (1988, William Cat as Rambo -> turkey).  Looks like she might
>get more exposure in ST:DSN.

Wasn't she also in a Quantum Leap episode from last season?


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From: hsk@microplex.com (Harjeet Kalsi)
Subject: Re: Worf's Head
Organization: Microplex Systems Ltd.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:47:34 GMT

Anyone else notice that ridges on Worf's head are slightly different this
season?
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Subject: Rascals: 40% drop in transported mass
From: gunthar@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:56:26 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

When the transporter cheif stated, at the begining of the episode, that one of 
the occupants of the shuttle may have been lost because of an observed 40%
decrease in the transported mass, did anyone else do a quick bit of mental
arithmatic and say "Hum, must have been Guianan they lost." :)

G.
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Fountain of Youth? I think not.
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:25:50 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls


"Rascals" SPOILERS AHEAD!


This Fountain-Of-Youth business doesn't worry me at all as I doubt the
Enterprise crew or anyone else could duplicate the energy field that created
the abberant transporter effect successfully based on the limited data they
had about its nature, not to mention suspiciously convenient origins, which
didn't get explained you'll notice.



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From: airn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Anthony Airne)
Subject: NOT a startrek post...
Summary: Paramount address
Keywords: Paramount
Reply-To: airn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:54:37 GMT

I apologise profusely in advance, but could someone email me the appropriate 
address at Paramount to inquire about obtaining a tape of a tv show that aired
a while back (Not ST:NG; Arsenio Hall, actually). I post here because I have
noticed some Paramount information posted.



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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Guinan
Summary: Summary?  We dont need no steenkin' summary!
Keywords: monKEY, turKEY, donKEY, KEYboard
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov5.171451.19647@ncsu.edu>, cfmcgarr@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER F MCGARRAH) writes...
> 
>Just a curiosity.  Is it possible that Guinan is a Time Lord from the
>Dr. Who series?

This was discussed a while back.  My personal opinion is no, since Guinan said
that her home world was destroyed by the Borg.  In Dr. Who, Galifrey(sp?), the
Time Lords homeworld, has not suffered such fate.  And I think the relative time
frames between the two shows would have Guinan's homeworld being ravaged while
Galifrey is unaffected.

This, of course, is IMHO

Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
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Across time and space/ The grey knight cometh/ With dragons to rape/
Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

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From: barry@seas.smu.edu (Robert Barry)
Subject: Re: Blooper in Rascals? *minor SPOILERS*
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:52:22 GMT

In article <abick.721285328@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>On a side note...Wouldn't it be nice...just once...for Worf to actually be
>a competent security chief. I mean would it be asking to much for a
>security chief to fire a phaser which hits an intruder and not get shot in
...
>Alan Bick

Yeah, even Yar had better scenes as security chief


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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: R.A.S.Creative Request
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 12:26:53 EST

In article <1992Nov7.155003.23499@stsci.edu>
wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
 
>In article <06NOV92.21484962.0041@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> K1N2 <K1N2@UNB.CA> writes:
>There is no rec.arts.startrek.creative, though I think that a few
>sites in the United Kingdom have aliased the alt group
>alt.startrek.creative to r.a.s.creative.  You might find the group
>alt.startrek.creative instead.
>--
Many of us don't get alt lists.  Is there an ftp site that has these archived?
From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where are the VULCANS on TNG ???
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:09:27 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: chairie.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov12.210139.4894@ll.mit.edu> plward@ll.mit.edu (paula l ward) writes:
>Where are the Vulcans on ST:TNG? I've just started watching it recently
>and I've only seen one. (And HE was paunchy(sp?), overweight and generally
>not very dignified for a being of such a noble race.) I liked Spock
>very much in TOS but they don't even have a science station now.
>I've picked up some references to an episode called 'Unification'. Is Spock
>in this? Does anyone know why we don't see Vulcans anymore? 

We see 'em once in awhile (mainly in "Sarek" and "Unification"), but not
real often.

But I have another question: How often did we see Vulcans (other than
Spock) in TOS?
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From: howes@cat16.cs.wisc.edu (Glenn Howes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals and Picard's Heart
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:29:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: daffy.1992Nov10.052929.11208
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Nov9.232729.17286@husc3.harvard.edu> silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>Wait a minute.
>
>It's already well-established that Picard has an artificial heart (ie,
>"Samaritan Snare." I don't care what the technobabble explanation for the
>crew getting younger is; if it's an artificial heart (ie, not organic) it
>could not have its RNA/RVN vanish to make it younger! Yes, its YATI time -
>if logic was applicable to this episode, Picard should be dead (or at
>least writhing on the floor of heart failure as it is now too large for his
>body cavity and has displaced several vital organs)..

Wait a minute, in Samaratin Snare it was stated that Picard has a 
Parthenogenic Implant. From what little biology I know this implies that 
cell samples were taken from Picard and grown into a new heart (I believe
Parthenogenic tranlates roughly into Sexless Creation-- gee, I knew
reading the Dragons of Eden would come in useful some day.)

.
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