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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:23:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) says:

>In article <1e4rq5INN3lo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. 
>Spencer) writes:
>> i believe he was referring to the airplane thing again here?..most 
>> airplanes idle at 200, and 7k doesn't hurt them a bit..now..
>> a small question..
>
>
>I'm sorry, airplane engines do not idle at 200 RPM, and if one ever
>attained 7000 RPM the propeller would be found in the next state,
>and the pistons would achieve orbit. :-)

no arguments from me..i have no idea about airplanes(  :-(   )...oh well..
i was just saying that this is what i thought the author of the original
thing was saying..not that he knows of cars that idle at 200..but i could
easily be wrong..i do not have any idea..you didn't answer my real question,
either(    :-(    ).....

>Airplanes in general do not exceed more than about 2700 RPM at the
>most.  A few do -- with geared propellers the engine can turn maybe
>3500 to 4500 RPM, but the propeller doesn't.  At 2700 RPM the tips
>of a 76-inch prop are at about .8 mach, and when they go 
>supersonic, bad things happen.
>The idle on a Continental 0-470 (6-cyl, 470 ci, 230 HP), idles at
>800 to 1000 RPM (which the pilot sets and the mfg recommends) and
>it can idle at about 600 RPM if the throttle is fully retarded.
>This is typical of most light plane engines, in fact it is the
>second or third most popular plane in the world, and is therefore
>representative of most aircraft.  The following stats are from the
>pilot's Operating handbook for the 1979 Cessna 182 (O-470-U:
>
>	Maximum engine speed: 2400 RPM
>	Propeller diameter:		84 inches
>	Normal operating range: 2100 to 2400 RPM not to exceed 75% power.
>
>I hope this clears up any confusion people have about airplane
>engines. :-)

nope..not in the least..i have no confuzion..i know what i know about 
airplane motors..they fly...and the prop cannot go over mach1...or it
can cause problems we do not know how to deal with..(and probably never
will, since ramjet and rockets are the way to go!!!!(detect the sarcasm
for no particular reason!!!))..sorry i didn't grab ye'ol' calculator and
equations to figure out if it was really feasable before i posted.  
DREW
>
>Tom Pickett 
>tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
>SHO  GOZE
>
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From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: horespower/torque
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 19 Nov 92  11:19:00

 <bf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
   (Brett Earl Forejt) sez:

 > i was wondering, and have always wondered. Just what does horespower
 > and torque translate to? i mean does horsepower give you top-end and
 > torque bottom, or what?  I have looked at torque and hp curves, and i
 > still am confused.

 > Example, what would the difference between a car with 100 hp and
 > 100 ft-lbs, and the same car with 200 hp and 100ft-lbs? or the same car
 > with 100hp and 200ft-lbs?

   You'll notice that the horse and and torque specs are always given 
at a particular RPM, usually not the same RPM for each spec. If most 
car companies had the decency to print torque and horsepower graphs 
instead of just quoting the best figure at optimum RPM, you'd have a 
better idea of what actually is. Very basically, the horsepower is 
(torque * RPM * some_constant) so you can see that the peak torque 
figure doesn't need to be the same as the peak horse. Usually, as the 
torque curve peaks out, it will flatten out a bit before heading back 
down, like the top of a circle, so the horse rating is taken as far up 
the torque curve as possible. Much more useful would be to get the 
actual plotted curves. A few firms do release these.



... Larry Mc Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, Calif. (cough, cough)
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Subject: Re: What do you think about Grand AM?
From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:09:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Nov16.214715.16612@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>my 89 2door with qaud4 and auto has needed:
>new thermostat, *head gasket*(however on the plus side even though the warranty
>was over by 3 months gm covered it under warranty as i had only 38k miles on
>the car), also paint started bubbling in 5 places and again they covered it
>all under warranty and repainted both doors and rear-quarters.
>other than that just normal oil/plug stuff.  but i was amazed that pontiac
>is standing behind their product like this.  oh, btw, the head gasket was 
>supposedly redesigned so that this does not keep happening.
>


My friend's late 80's Grand Am also with a Quad4 also blew a head gasket
and developed some rust. It took us 3 weekends to replace the head
gasket, but we did it ourselves. The parts salesman at the dealer 
was surprised: "I never heard of a blown head gasket in one of
these cars".

My friend likes this car a lot despite the problems, but I would stay
far away from it myself.

Michal
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Practical Luxury Car
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:40:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) says:

>Hy netters.  I have been thinking this for some time.  If you are rich and
>money is no object, what car would you buy for EVERYDAY use?  A Ferrari or a
>Lambo sure is nice, but navigating them through downtown traffic is no fun.
>Same thing can be said of M-B 600SEL.  Besides, you want to be a good father 
>(or mother) and you want to pick your kid(s) up on the way home.  You even do
>grocery shopping on weekends.  Of course, you like to spend vacations in the
>mountains and on the beaches which happen to be a long way from where you have
>your business.  Lst but not least, you don't like to see your mechanic as often
>as you see your wife.  Of course, it has to be luxurous, safe, fun to drive, 
>etc etc.  And the underline assumption is you LOVE driving.  So what do you
>choose?
>
>My choice is:
>    BMW 750iL (for every day use)
>    M-B 500SL (for weekends and when kid(s) are with grandparents)
>

my choise, w/o having driven any of the higher performance vehicles
on the market(the suites get nervous seeing me around their 200k
ferraris!)...i would take the lotus turbo esprit(whatever initials
are tacked onto the end these daze)..y'know..the 2.2 blown 260-280
horse model??..yeah..that one....and for kids..NONE..NEVER!!!..but..
if i did get stuck w/ ONE(i'd fix something after the first!!!)..
i think i'd take the 928..or the 850i...or...well..many customs i 
have in mind..but...i WANT a lotus...and it'd be my first choice!!!!
(you asked..i'm not gonna debate all the plusses and minuses that are
slams on my personal taste, the merits of blah blah...i'll answer stuff
about WHY i want one..but not WHY????the HELL???? would i want one..u c?)
ah..to dream!!
DREW
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From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: What do you think about Grand AM?
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:14:07 GMT

In article <BxsBBH.742@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> alanlevy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alan Levy) writes:
>I am looking to possibly purchase a 1993 Pont. Grand AM GT.

Well, since there have been changes (at least one good - antilock brakes)
between my '90 and the current ones, I'm not sure if this is a valid
data point.  However...

My '90 has been *excellent*.  Needed the gear indicator aligned and a
piece of interior trim re-attached when I bought it (new).  After that,
I have had **zero** problems with it, and those I had were not "problems"
of any magnitude (interior trim didn't impact performance ;-).

Don
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From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Mazda scraps Amati
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:17:36 GMT

Due partly to the lacklustre US auto market, Mazda has abandoned its plan to
fill the market with yet another Japanese Luxuary car line, reported Autocar &
Motor.  It will continue its Xedos line in Europe, though.  What a pity.  Mazda
has been putting interesting cars into the market.  It would have been an 
interesting scene to see how they pit against each other.

Think I read this some time ago: the chief stylist in Mazda wanted to break the
"Japanese mould" and make the cars sexy, literally.  So he ordered his staff to 
go to the local bars with one sole mission: watch the girls' hips.  THe reason?
When driving, you get a better look at a car just passing by than a car about 
to brush through.  Any one can confirm this?  They certainly got some real nice
looking rear quaters.  IMHO, 929 looks better from the rear (better looking
than the current Jaguar XJ-6?)
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:44:43 GMT

In article <If1AkMO00iUxA0YPAG@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jinmo Ahn <ja2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> I'm looking to buying a car very soon.
|> 
|> These are the cars that interest me:
|> 
|> Nissan 300Z Twin Turbo
|> Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
|> Mazda RX-7
|> 
|> I'm sure someone else was in similar situation before.  I would like
|> some comment on any one of the above cars.  If you bought one of them, I
|> would be interested in knowing why you chose it over the others.
|> 
|> Some of the important features I'm looking for are _very_ fast
|> acceleration and good handling (w/ adjustable suspension).  The
|> difference in price doesn't really matter as long as it's under 40k.
|> 

Well if handling a speed are the major factors then the RX7 R1 should be
your choice. The general feeling is that the RX7 R1 packaged car is the
closest thing to a road going race car that you can get. Be warned that
the RX7 R1 does not come close to offering the comfort and conveniences
the the 300ZX and 3000GT do. I have driven all three cars and power wise
they are all pretty close but handling wise none of them come close to
the RX7. I would also give a 93 Corvette a try, its the only one I know
of that has the adjustable suspension and maybe a used Porsche 911. You
really can't go wrong with any of the above choices, go out and drive
all three and pick one.
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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Japanese Full Size Trucks
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:28:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.142912.38332@watson.ibm.com> born@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>Has anyone seen the commercial advertising the new full-size truck
>made by Toyota? (I believe it was Toyota.)  I've read in the past that
>this is a VERY profitable market segment for the U.S. manufacturers.
>It will be very interesting to see how they (Ford, GM, Chrysler) respond 
>to this new entry.

Nope, didn't see the commercial yet, but I have read the reviews in
'Automobile', 'Four Wheeler', 'Four Wheel and Off Road',... as well as the
advertisements from Toyota.  All I can say is this thing is an even bigger joke
than I had expected it to be, sure, it'll likely sell reasonably well to the
brain-damaged Toyota-worshippers... until they try to load it down like it was
a real truck...  You see, this foolish thing is built on the *same* frame and
running gear as the micro-'truck'.  The consequnces of this fact are readily
apparent to anyone with any truck-savy and will become evident to the
brain-damaged-buyers of this thing...

The 'T-100' will be the best thing that ever happened to domestic truck
builders because of it flaws...  It continues in the 'it-looks-like-it's-
a-truck-but-don't-put-a-load-on-it' pattern of all the micro-'trucks'.

Walt K.

p.s. -- predicted msrp's are in the $25000-range...  P.T. Barnum described any
potential buyers of the Toyota T-100 quite well...
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From: mcarey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.e.carey)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:00:18 GMT

>
>Diesels:
>
>Go with the Cummins (I understand Ford will be going with that motor, too)
>if you can afford it.  The International engine in the Ford trucks is okay
>but lacks the all-out-power of the Cummins.  I know several people that 
>have been ripped badly with the GM 6.2 (Fuel pumps/injection most of the 
>problem here, plus the standard THM 700/R-4 nightmares).


Woa!  I would like to know your source on Ford using the Cummins instead
of the IH?  I haven't heard of this.  This would spell bad news for
an already troubled Navistar.  As for the power of the IH, back when
ford first started putting them in there trucks (then it was a 6.9 liter
Diesel), the rear-ends could not take the power of the engine and they
kept dropping out.  If they are going with the Cummins for power reasons,
I hope that they are a little more prepared this time.

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 01:21:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.003536.14593@leland.Stanford.EDU>
tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:

I wrote:
>>I seem to have some cloggin' in my noggin'.
>>This is the upteenth post by Mr. Chen, supporting vehicles made by the
>>domestics, but Mr. Chen himself bought an Acura Integra.  No matter how
>>you slice that vehicle, it was not engineered in America, was not
>>manufactured here, and was not assembled here.
>>Come on.  Let's be consistent.  Mr. Chen sounds like all those Toyota
>>salesmen who harp and harp about how great Toyota is, but if you ask
>>them what kind of car _they_ drive, they say that they drive Honda.
>>Sheesh.
>[rest of verbiage deleted]

Teddy writes:
>by your yardstick, if i were to buy a lexus ES300, i would no longer be
>able to say that the BMW 325is is a driver's car or that the
>taurus SHO offers a terrific performance to price ratio.

That's not correct.

Most of Teddy's post have a singular theme:  Buy American.
But Teddy himself bought an Acura Integra.

I'm just pointing out the irony here.  But I agree with Teddy.
I'd much rather have an Integra than any American car, including a
Camaro.  I simply cannot stand poor workmanship and an all around
inferior product.

>this isn't the first time you've attacked what you perceive to be
>my pro-american/buy-japanese-anyway bias.

Nope.  I just find it ironic that Teddy tells the next guy to buy
American while he himself buys Japanese.

Although I think that the USA should retaliate against Japanese
barriers to trade (immediately and harshly), I have never advocated
that someone should consistently buy domestics.  This is something
that the "You'd-better-shut-up-you-Japan-basher" types have overlooked
when they are unsheathing their switchblades.

>as you observed, you do have some cloggin' in your noggin', indeed.

No, just a teddy-itis infection.

>-teddy

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From: Joe@ohiont.fidonet.org (Joe Dzurinda)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford F150 & Rangers - Which years to stay away from?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:04:41 EST
Organization: The OHIONet Express BBS, Cleveland, OH (216-241-6727)

In an article of <13 Nov 92 15:06:04 GMT>, sgerrell@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Stephen Gerrells) writes:

 >Opinions of a very biased reader !!!!
 >
 >You don't say what you plan to use the truck for so I'll give you my
 >preferences.  
 >Any model Ford truck F100/F150 is good.  I prefer a short wheel base, V8,
 >automatic, with AC.  These tend to have a better resale value than some 
 >of the
 >others.  Both 2WD and 4WD are OK it depends on what you are looking for, 
 >but
 >expect to pay more than what is listed in most average retail books (or 
 >at
 >least that's the way it is here in North GA).  I would recommend staying 
 >away
 >from the mid 80's models with a V6.
 >
 >The Rangers are also very good trucks.  Later models with Fuel injection, 
 >both
 >4 cyl. and 6 cyl. have substantially more power than earlier, non-fuel 
 >injected
 >trucks.  Automatics are harder to find but worth the extra price when you 
 >try toresale them.
 >
 >Again I say, anything with Ford on the hood and a bed is a good truck !!!
 >
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 >These opinions are mine and don't reflect those of my employer or anyne 
 >else !!
 >
 >Stephen Gerrells

I have to go along with everything said here.  I've had 3 Rangers.  All have had fuel injection, and V6's.  Two of them were stick, 2 were extended cabs, and the current one has the 4.0 L V6, auto, and air.  I had excellent luck with all of them and they have always done whatever I needed them to do.  I do prefer the auto trans as the 2 five speeds I had made me feel like I was rowing a boat.  My biggest complaint with the stick is I think it should have a lower first gear as the times I used them off-road



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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Leather Seats
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:50:19 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov13.224757.10765@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com 
(Bradford Kellogg) writes:
> A porch with a full leather interior? Gee, the house I grew up in had
> two porches, but neither of them had any leather at all, just pine
> boards with old paint peeling off....... :-)

Obviously, you didn't have a Porch Carrera...


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
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From: qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Cindy Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Infiniti G20
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:35:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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If you don't like the Altima, fine!  Choose Nissan's other fine
offering in the sedan market, the Infiniti G20.  List prices are
one thing, but brand new 1993 G20's can be had for $16,000. 
That includes all power accessories and ABS.  Why choose the 
typical Accord or Camry when you could have one of the world's
best handling sedans?  You get a free loaner, roadside assistance,
etc.  If you wanted a European sedan like a Passat or a 318i but
wanted Japanese durability, look no further. 

--Aamir Qazi
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From: johnl@SDFSERV.hac.com (John Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saturn Paint (Was: Re: Waxing New Car? (Saturn SL-1))
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:28:14 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Nov17.173542.17480@csus.edu> sandhoff@csus.edu (John F. Sandhoff) writes:
[...]
>I don't have an answer, but I *do* have an additional question for you
>to ponder: the saturn is a 'plastic' car, with body panels that are
>solid color (if someone 'keys' your car, they will gouge the fender but
>will not leave an ugly off-color line). Does Saturn actually paint the
>car?
[...]

Yes.  A rock took off a little 1"x1/8" vertical strip at the edge of
the front bumper panel near the left wheel on my SC.  The plastic is
transluscent with a slightly white appearance.  Since I have the
two-tone silver/dark silver paint job, it probably wouldn't be that
noticeable on the upper silver panels, but it's more noticeable on the
darker lower panels.

Saturn does sells touch-up paint for those minor scratches.  Saturn
also claims that the paint clings to the plastic 10 times better than
regular paint to steel, and that the Saturn paint is specially designed
to flex.  From experience it seems to work well.  Someone opened a door
into my car and left a small white paint "smudge."  His paint just
wiped off when I washed the car leaving no visible damage.  And of
course, no dings.  :-)

I don't think the paint will stand up to a keying, though.

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From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo)
Subject: About the T-100...again
Summary: I think I said this before...
Keywords: Yeah, I've said this before...
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:33:06 GMT

Just for the record,for those of you who are in the domestic vs. Japanese
reliability war, the engine that is first being introduced in the new Toyota
full-size truck is based on the GM 3.1(read this is an auto-mag and in a 
Washington Post auto report)until Toyota can decide on what type of engine and
drivetrain for permanence. 

As for reliability, I think alot of us on the net are making these assumptions
of Toyo being better than GM/Ford/Chryco based on what they are. Whilst on the
prowl for a truck (compact) I talked to folks who owned different ones from the
various manufacturers and there seems to be more loyalty for domestic brands
in the truck arena than the auto one(yeah yeah--I saw the "Dateline" thing
about the GM gas tank fiasco---it took them two hits to duplicate the
fiery result--chilling when ya see it...).

As for power, the V6 works well in the small pickup(Toyota). I never noticed
the bed being wider than a Ranger's or S-10's or Dakota's--looked about the
same to me. Seen these small trucks haul some slightly heavy loads,too.

As for me??? I drove the Toyota SR-5,Chevy S-10,and Ford Ranger. If the
mechanic hadn't screwed up my Aries wagon, I'd be bopping about in a
Ranger Sport w/V6...seemed great to me,overall...

We'll see how the Toyota does...

d.j. NetBoy
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