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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Etiquette question: bris (sp?)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.113917.4521@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley) writes:

>Just adding my own 0.02 shekel, among the other relevent points of a bris,
>is the giving of the childs name.  (It is customary that until the bris,
>the child does not have - and is not referred to - by name.
>Superstition/Custom.)

I always liked the idea of getting to know a baby for a few days before
finally deciding on a name.  We did that with ours - how could we be
sure she was a Sarah until we met her??  (I know, this isn't the reason
for the Jewish custom.)  We had a naming ceremony for Sarah on her
eighth day; though not commanded by Jewish law, it is an increasingly
popular custom.

>Further, although the Mohel is typically the person that does the cutting,
>the ritual obligation is on father to perform.  Nowadays, I have attended
>several Bris's where the father did the actual cutting (under the mohel's
>supervision).  Me?  NO WAY!  (I was "invited to", but declined at my sons.)

Yes, it is the father's responsibility, and when an uncirmcumcised
Jewish boy turns thirteen, it becomes his own responsibility.  One of
the elements of the bris that I left out of my abbreviated version is
that the father, if he chooses not to do it himself, will publically
authorize the Mohel to act in his stead, at least at the brisses I've
been to.

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Reid Kneeland
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{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:17:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.1992Aug19.201741.23943
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Aug18.221215.28413@silma.com> sj@silma.com (Suzanne) writes:
>An even cooler idea than duplicate blankets is to encourage
>your baby to use a cloth diaper instead of a blanket.  This
>was a tip we heard from friends.  They're replaceable, cleanable,
>and come in packages of 12!

I tried that. It didnt work! has anyone out there been able to decide on their
childs lovey??

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 04:28:40 GMT


Re: Mike N. who is "resenting" the milk discussion because his
daughter had breast milk, then soy formula.
  
Breast milk and formulas are both very high in fat, which is
necessary for babies' good health, which is where the argument
for whole cow's milk comes from.  So your daughter was getting 
a high fat diet like a whole milk drinker gets, just a different
form.
From: rice@cray.com (Jonathan Rice)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hand-foot-mouth (sympathy)
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:12:24 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.173550.17721@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:

>In article <92232.100009CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I'm just looking for sympathy.  We just went through a bout of
>>hand\foot\mouth disease

>And everyone said that adults
>weren't supposed to get this!  I couldn't even find a reference to in
>any of our books.

I caught it from Daughter the Second last Spring.  Our medical reference book
calls it "a disease of children and the elderly," which was not exactly a
comfort.

Folks, this stuff hurts.  Don't be fooled by the relatively mild appearance.
Eating and walking were both big problems (for me, at least -- Ellen does not
let pain deter her from anything).

-- 
Jonathan C. Rice    | rice@zizania.cray.com |   Anna, < 5; Ellen, < 2
Cray Research Inc.  | (612) 683 - 5370      | "I'm a man who's rich in
655F Lone Oak Drive | Eagan MN USA 55121    |  daughters." -- G. Brown
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 15:04:47 EDT
From: Cindy J. Mitchell <CINDY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject:    Larry Cannell, where are you?

I tried to send you the Jogging Stroller FAQ, such as it is,
and the mail keeps bouncing.  Could you send me mail that
contains an email address?  The sender address isn't working!
Thanks.

Cindy
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cindy J. Mitchell
University of Maine System
Computing and Processing Service
CINDY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.172751.24678@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick) writes:
>IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>:. . . if christians do not like being seen
>: as fundamentalist hate-mongers, perhaps they should be doing

>The Bible teaches that many things are sin and
>teaches people to warn others, but it says nothing to indicate that people

Please, EVERYONE, either return to the subject of children, or move
this to another newsgroup.  It's hard enought to keep up with the
volume of misc.kids as it is.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Youngest Going To Kindergarten
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:43:49 GMT

Sending ours daughter to kindergarten is exciting, but not the big deal it
might otherwise be: not only is my wife the 1st grade teacher in the school
Anne will attend (so she's spent a lot of time up at our church/school 
already) but the kindergarten teacher is the same person who has provided
day care in the afternoons for Anne since she was 1.5 years old.  So 
we get the excitement and fun Anne is experiencing without the anxiety
and apprehension that she (and we) would otherwise be feeling.

--
===============================================================================
paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
===============================================================================
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ear Thermometers
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:59:34 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

Well, when they finally came out on the consumer market our daughter was
over two, and not as squirrely or as sickly as she used to be, so we 
haven't yet justified one for ourselves, however, we did think they were
wonderful presents for our two nephews.  Their mothers now swear by them.
(As they received them as newborn presents, they didn't think much of them,
until the doctor tried to take their tykes temperature under the arm.) 
They are as simple and quick as they sound.  We all tried them (they come
with "guest" covers so you don't pass germs around) and found them to
be quite accurate.  They are expensive (~$100 each).  But if you are tired
of fighting squirmy sick children to get their temperature before you
call the doctor, they are just the thing.  (Am I the only one who used to
guess my daughter's temperature when the doctor asked how high it was before
I brought her in, rather than hold her down to get an "accurate" reading with
the thermometer?  I know, after that kind of fight her temp must have gone
up four degrees.)  You can order them from Sharper Image, or, in California,
Macy's carries them.

							Cathy
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Terrible Twos/Second Baby Thoughts
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:33:22 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug11.221229.26973@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.UUCP (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
>
>
>I'm the one who posted the original "Second Baby Thoughts" article.
>I mentioned that my first, daughter Kayla, has always been a difficult
>little person, which was one of the reasons I'm a little anxious 
>about number two.
>
Sorry - I tried to mail this, but it bounced

Laura (3.6) was very intense.  Not as intense as Kayla sounds, but
pretty active/bright/stubborn.  When Brian was born, she got worse
for about 3 months.  Then, she started to get better and better.
I think having a baby around helps her grow up.  She's very into
her role of "older" sister.  Also, splitting our attention between the
2 children meant that we had to be firmer than her.  It's one thing
to let her stay up until 11:00 when she's the only one, but if the
baby is going to wake at 2:00 and 6:00, Laura MUST go to bed by
9:00 for us to have any sanity.  If forced us to work on better 
behavior for her, and also forced her to learn to wait for our attention,
entertain herself, and generally not ALWAYS be the center of attention.
This was an adjustment that was not easy for any of us, but in the
end I think it was beneficial.  So, the first three months were
eshausting and somewhat traumatic, but we're better off than ever,
now.  Laura really loves her baby brother (and vice versa!).
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu

P.S.  Brian is the proverbial "easier second child".
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Low Weight in 14.5 month old
Summary: underweight
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:36:12 GMT
Organization: AT&T


<  story of underweight baby deleted  >

Hmmm...if the child eats fine and the test results were all fine,
that is great.

I have an 11 year old nephew who is tall for his age, but the skinniest
thing you'd ever see!  Just like a skeleton!  His grammy, (my mom) and
I used to worry about him.  But you see, this kid eats and eats and
eats!  Everything and anything!  He eats like a grown adult man!  He just
virtually never gains weight.  Sure we worried, especially since the
"family trait" is chubbiness, not skinniness.  The doctor's did tests on
him too, everything was fine, they are not worried.  So we are not
worried either.  In fact I tease him about "where do you put all that
food, you have a hollow leg or something?"  Also, I have a friend who
looked exactly like this nephew at age 11 also, saw photos to prove it.
He didn't start gaining weight/bulking up until his first 2 yrs of
college!  And now this guy's pretty muscular.  He helped me ease my
worries too.  Thinks that my nephew will bulk up more "some day".

I can understand your worry, but you must feel better knowing the
child eats and the tests were fine and the doctor seems less concerned.

   Christine
   first due 1/19/93
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:34:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.133651.9010@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson) writes:
>
>This is entirely different than nursing my daughter.  She only nursed 
>every 3 to 4 hours.  I barely even remember her HAVING growth spurts.  
>I guess my mother-in-law was right, boys nurse a lot more than girls.  
>She said boys suck on you and suck on you and suck all the milk you've 
>got and then suck on you some more.  Grumble, grumble.  Well, I guess 

Sorry you are having such a rough time, and I wish I could offer some 
encouragement other then keep with it...

But, I just thought I would mention that Jeffrey was a huge baby who seemed
to go thru growth spurts every 5 minutes! His nursing patterns were much more
similar to your duaghters. He would rarely nurse more then 10 minutes at a
time, at normal intervals. he could empty out a breast in 3-5 minutes and the
go clear out the other one. Since I had always heard babies would take much
longer to nurse, I spent a couple weeks wondering if he was getting enough to
eat. That was pretty silly of me considering his size and his 8 poopies a 
day. Then I started wondering *how* he was getting enough to eat.

>I shouldn't complain too much, at least I haven't gotten any plugged 
>ducts.  

Yes! you are lucky!

Laura Floom
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:38:47 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Aug12.223858.2216468@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

> I will leave your list of advantages (which was shorter
> than mine because you missed a couple) and point out some very REAL 
> difficulties.
> 
> 1) You never have to choose which child who is about to die in a precarious
> situation to rescue first - the toddler about to fall into the pool or the
> toddler who has grabbed a knife off the kitchen counter.  Nor can you manage
> to avoid all possible scenarios in which one will be in trouble at one end
> of the house while the other is in trouble at the other end of the house.

Ummm, Judy, this is a bit of a reach, IMO.  Frankly I don't think most children
get into frequent simultaneous life-threatening situations!

> 
> 2) When they are very young they never sleep at the same time so if you are
> the parent of one child who depends on getting things done during naptime,
> THERE IS NO NAPTIME.  This is an adjustment a parent needs to make.  I think
> we should tell them about it.
 
Okay, just to insert a "yes, it IS possible..." here, do not say as an absolute
rule that kids NEVER nap at the same time.  My two do; I will admit to tweaking
the baby's morning schedule if necessary to accomplish it, but I have 'em 
napping simultaneously every afternoon (at ages 3 1/2 and almost-10 months).  
I know it is a blessing, but it is not an impossibility.  I think we should 
tell them about it.

> 8) Two birthday parties with all that entails.  For me this is an advantage,
> but I love throwing parties so I'm letting it sit in the disadvantage list.
> It costs money, can be a pain in the ***, and IS work.

Another purely personal choice, IMO.  Our birthday parties for our son have
consisted of a family get-together with a few gifts, barbecue and cake/ice
cream for dessert.  In his nursery school they encourage the parents to bring
in treats for the whole group on the child's birthday, so that takes care of it
for the next year also.  No need to worry about parties, unless *you* want to.

Ann Helmers
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:17:09 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <14AUG199214491157@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.223847.13800@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes...
>> 
>>Another purely personal choice, IMO.  Our birthday parties for our son have
>>consisted of a family get-together with a few gifts, barbecue and cake/ice
>>cream for dessert.  In his nursery school they encourage the parents to bring
>>in treats for the whole group on the child's birthday, so that takes care of it
>>for the next year also.  No need to worry about parties, unless *you* want to.
>> 
>Oh ,boy, let me guess, your son is your oldest? My daughter was invited
>to her first birthday party when she was 3, by a classmate from daycare
>who was turning 4. 'How you gonna keep them down on the farm, after 
>they've seen Paree........'? Later that year we started the kid party
>route when my daughter turned 4. Good luck. I hope your plan works!
>                                      Patti Twigg


In fact, you can no longer ignore your own birthdays!  Some gifts arrived
for me in the mail, so Laura 3.5 knew my birthday was coming.  On the
morning of my birthday, she said "Can I have a piece of your birthday
cake?".  Until that time, we weren't planning to have a cake!  So, on the
way home from work, we stopped and bought a cake.  After dinner, I opened
the presents and had the cake.  Laura was pretty disappointed.
"Why don't you have any friends here?" she asked.  I told her that I
had my family with me, and that was better.  Still, I think she thought it
was a pretty dull affair.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita Wiltberger)
Subject: 1st affectionate sentence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:38:00 GMT

Last night Allison (21mo) and I were having some rare time alone.  She 
was just the most affectionate little one and then she gave me the 
biggest hug and said "Mommy, I love you much!"  I really needed that 
with my husband and 9yo gone back east for a while.  It was an 
exhausting weekend with just the 3yo and 21mo!  Oh! the reason we had 
time alone was that Jennifer fell asleep around 7pm and generally none 
of the kids fall asleep before 9:30!

Rita Wiltberger
xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: "Love" Triangle
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:26:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.154532.15080@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>Laura and Matthew can play together fairly well.  She's pretty headstrong
>too, and Matthew likes to play with her.   Katie and Matthew survive
>(somehow) at home.  Laura and Katie are "best friends".  But all three
>together - WATCH OUT.  Matthew teases the girls and makes them cry.
>The girls shut Matthew out of their games and make him cry.  Matthew
>scares/pushes the girls and makes them cry etc.  What works is for
>John or I to engage Matthew in what we're doing to give the girls
>space to do their own thing.

I do have a suggestion.  How about laying down the law as follows:
If there is any unpleasantness (regardless of who caused it or
what their reasons were) Matthew AND Katie will be sent home.  Try
this for a week, and I would be willing to bet that kids figure
out how to play together nicely.

Guido
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say: 3 yr old
Date: 17 Aug 1992 07:20:18 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


As Isabel, at 6-3/4 mos. is not yet saying
anything funny, I thought I'd post a story
about my younger niece, Tess:


My sister's kids are not allowed to have
diet soda, because of the aspartame. The
other day Tess decided she wanted some and
her father said no.

Being three, and very dramatic, she immediately
threw herself down on the floor for a class-A
tantrum. After a half hour of this, Mark (her
father) couldn't take it anymore, and went
into the bathroom to take a shower.

Tess heard the water running, sprang up and
said to my sister, "*Quick* mommy! Daddy's in
the shower!"  

[no, she didn't get any!]


-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:50:22 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <14222@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula 
Burch) writes:
> Computers cannot test what a product will do in an animal. The animal 
> is too complicated a system--if we understood it completely, we could 
> use computers to model it, but of course if we understood it completely, 
> we wouldn't need to. Not even the simplest living organism is yet 
> understood anywhere near this thoroughly!

I think that the original point is being lost.  We WERE talking about 
cosmetics, shampoos, etc.  Not things that are meant to go "in" animals or 
humans.  It is well known what most of the chemical compounds and their 
combinations that reside in cosmetics and shampoos do when placed in a 
rabbit's eyes.  I hardly see the need to repeat well known experiments when 
the difference in the mixture is minute.
> 
> Testing must be done on people and/or animals. Computers just aren't 
> that powerful! You may say that you would like product testing to be 
> done without using living creatures, but it's just wishful thinking. 
> Your only choice is: should it be people or animals? Now go discuss 
> this on talk.animals.politics, or whatever it is.

I don't consider this a binary issue with regard to cosmetics and shampoos.  
PERHAPS new formulations of drugs, food additives, etc. need to be tested on 
animals, etc., but even then you aren't getting valid correlations.  With few 
exceptions, rats != humans.




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Rewards (Was: Re: Mischievous Child (3 YO))
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:37:32 GMT

In article <00713731578@elgamy.sccsi.com> elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
>                                      ... you may explicitly work on
>certain individual behaviors via explicit reward systems, but society
>doesn't work like that, so you'll eventually have to "fade" that anyhow.

Does that mean if I do a good job I don't get a promotion and a raise?  Does
that mean if I slack off and refuse to do my job I won't get fired?  Does that
mean if I treat my friends really well I won't get invited to important 
parties?  Does that mean if I treat my spouse like dirt he won't divorce me?

Of COURSE society works like that.  We have very explicit rewards built into
our political, social, and economic systems to encourage people to behave
the way the state, community, and business want people to behave.  

The challenge is to shape the rewards you offer your children based on one of
the rewards they will experience in the adult world.  
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids