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From: "Colin J. Wynne"  <WYNNE.C@fs.sciences.WLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  Cyberpapal mages versus a Juggernaut..
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smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (Stephen Smoogen) writes:

> [Soren vs. Every Badguy in Aysle deleted]

Hey, Smooge, was Soren on a solo for this one, or were other PC's
involved?

CJW

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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Nippon Tech stelae coordinates
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Yes, I once again found enough time to plot out stelae coordinates...

I had some problems working on the Nippon Tech stelae coordinates as
the atlas I'm using only has one map of Japan worth using and it is
primarily a map of China (not that I blame them, since China is a
really big country after all) with Japan crammed onto the easternmost
side of the map.  The scaling was also not as good as on the other
maps I've done so far and so I ended up having to use a lot of
approximation in placing my stelae.  With that in mind, I wasn't too
surprised to find that most of the NT coordinates given in the
Infiniverse Update worked pretty well - I only had one set of
coordinates that didn't work to within one degree (either latitude or
longitude) of the published values.

This listing does not include the Nippon Tech stelae in North America
as I have already gone over those when I did the Living Land.

This list is in the same order as the one in the IU.  Locations marked
with a '*' are exact matches with IU while the location marked with
'#' is the one that didn't come within one degree.  The three
locations marked with a '@' were used as starting points, but I
ultimately have to move the one at Shaozing/Shaoxing slightly to make
it fit.  As always, I've tried to include actual locations to assist
in placing the stelae on a map.  The IU also included locations and
included them below if I didn't come up with something more specific.

22 N, 119 E  @  S. China Sea
24 N, 123 E  *  Westernmost island of the Sakishima Islands chain
28 N, 123 E  *  E. China Sea
30 N, 129 E  *  E. China Sea
33 N, 134 E  *  Phillipine Sea
35 N, 139.5 E  @  Yokosuka, Japan
37 N, 145 E  *  Japan Trench
39 N, 141 E  Japan
43 N, 144.5 E  Japan
46 N, 141 E  Wakkanai, Japan on the La Penouse Strait
41 N, 138 E  *  Sea of Japan
36 N, 136 E  *  Off the coast near Fukui, Japan
38 N, 133 E  Sea of Japan
34 N, 130 E  Japan
39.5 N, 128 E  #  Off the coast near Hamhung, North Korea
36 N, 127 E  *  Chonju, South Korea
32 N, 125 E  *  Yellow Sea
37.5 N, 123 E  Yellow Sea
34 N, 121 E  Yellow Sea
29.5 N, 120.5 E  @  Shaozing/Shaoxing, China (IU spelled it with a 'z',
		    my atlas spelled it with an 'x')
25 N, 119.5 E  *  Formosa Strait
31 N, 117 E  China
27 N, 116 E  *  China


Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: "Colin J. Wynne"  <WYNNE.C@fs.sciences.WLU.EDU>
Subject:      Confirmation???
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My computer crashed just as I made my last post.  Can anyone tell if
'Vic's Revenge, part 2' made it onto the net?

CJW

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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
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Subject: BMW flashbacks
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:11:17 GMT
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is everybody else getting bulk repost blips,
or is it just my (shoddy) system (again).

dave "its not the Wombat, its not your system, its your brain" oakes
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  The Explosive Death of Selina
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Rick writes:

[rest of story deleted]

> The other was doing a good job of almost killing PC's, so Selina 
> traded McCoy for the Martyr card he had just gotten for an Approved 

[etc etc]

Well, sounds like things worked well enough I won't point out that you
can't trade Subplot cards, you either activate them or trade them in
for a PP when you draw them....

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: BMW Flashbacks
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:12:30 GMT

Clay announces:

> The faulty system in question seems to be milestn.mil.wi.us, which was doing
> a terrific job of sending mysterious errors back to me while at the same time
> sending copies of the message (not erors mind you, but *copies*) back to the 
> list.  Fairly inexplicable behavior.
> 
>So, danimal@milestn.mil.wi.us, if you're reading this, you have been suspended
>from the list until your system recovers ;).

Um, Clay...I hope you suspended this system AFTER you sent this
message out, since I got two copies of it!!!

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
From: WYNNE.C@fs.sciences.WLU.EDU (Colin J. Wynne)
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Subject: Re: The Ultimate Reality Storm!
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:51:47 GMT
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bpostow@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Brian Postow) writes:

> well, as GM you could stop someone from being a prodigy in
> Reality. I mean, this is a problem that I have had with prodigies,
> it may have been mentioned, I have been disconnected, but there are
> some things that there just AREN'T prodigies of. for instance, no
> one is a prodigy at firearms. it just doesn't happen. stealth,
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         Marine Sniper?  Circus sharpshooter?  It's quite possible.

> prestidigitation, any knowledge type skill, any art type thing,
> fine, maybe even Martial arts, I am not sure, but Firearms, and
> Reality, not!
  ^^^^^^^
  Why can't one person in every n-thousand be more 'in tune' than the
  rest?  If a person can explain to me thear prodigal background, I
  think I would allow a prodigy of just about anything.  The few
  skills of which I can think to disallow a prodigy (maybe), such as
  Climbing or the like, are probably of so little use that no one
  would suggest it anyway.  One problem I *can* imagine is somebody
  wanting to be a Dodge prodigy.  That would take some *really* good
  explanation on the player's part.

IMHO, YMMV, GVMADWU
            ^^^^^^^
          (Gefahr von maechtliche Abkuerzungen das Welt ueberzunehmen)


CJW  <-- Ee gads!  Another abbreviation!

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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
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Subject: Re:  New Spell -- Alter Form
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:39:11 GMT
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[colins spell deleted]

just the thing to cure that horrible skin condition of edinos

dave "just had to say it, didnt you?" oakes
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From: burt@ptltd.com (Burton Choinski)
Subject: Re:  Stationary or wandering?
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Ks. Jim comments...
------
My players are finally going to be sitting down and coming up with a plan
for what they want to do instead of having me lead them around by the
nosehairs and one of the things they are looking at is (finally)
setting up a base of operations.  I was wondering how many other Torg
groups have an established base of operations and how many just wander
around the world like my players used to do.
------
Well, in my brother's game his group is pretty much on their own.  They go
where they wish, but likewise that
means they are limited to their own resources.  Now recently, they made a
good deal with the Israelis for 5 million -- they are going to make the 
try to yank the central stealae that hits thebes, Cairo, and the suez.  They
have planted their storyies in all the areas, and now are just letting them
brew.  The Israelis are ready to roll in when the stormfront pulls in and CE
washes the area.

They get around with my brother's "Golden Monkey" type cargo plane (recently
tweaked by a reality storm when the left the nile to see the Israel gov. --
The wings altered to become more swept back (the result being all flight
and landing difficulties be moved up to the next rating, but spead was 
upped by 1.
   -- Burton
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From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re:  belief
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Michael Gersten(michael@stb.info.com) asks:
 ! Begin forwarded message:
 ! 
 ! realize that there is some subtle interplay between the axioms
 ! and the belief of the populous as well:
 ! 
 ! if magic is zero, the populous is unlikely to believe sufficiently
 ! to suddenly have axiom 33, or even 1
 ! 
 ! at the same time, CE was, by inference, at one time flat,
 ! and the center of the universe to boot, and now it is
 ! very obviously neither (at least not center of solar system...)
 ! ----
 ! How do you know that it wasn't the opposite:
 ! Magnae Vertae was once round, but due to belief, has become flat.

exactly my point
CE was BELIEVED (note capitals) to be flat in ancient times,
and BELIEF causes reality to be as it is (axioms and all),
so ancient CE was flat, yet is now round, due to belief

MV might once have been round, since nobody really cared due
to a lack of science and no church position, but as soon as 
Jean wrote his version of the Bible, saying the world was flat,
because it was god's will, and in MV, god is always right.

 ! Earth was known to be round as far back as the ancient geeks, er, greeks.
 ! Only the Roman church thought we're the most important thing in the
 ! universe; now all these invasions indicate that maybe they're right.

actually, i thought it was the Egyptians, but it might have been
during the greek occupation.  and if only a few of the educated
felt that the world was round, it was still flat since the rest 
of the cosm trully believed it to be so.
(TORG Reality - the ultimate democracy, at least for the Prated...)


["reality is what the people decide" deleted]

this works well if we assume that every cosm sprang fully formed 
from Aperios exactly as we see it now, but we get from the books that 
we can change our axioms up or down with effort (belief).

if axioms were set by initial consensus, it would be much harder 
to change them, as they would be exactly what everyone believed.
also, from an evolution standpoint, we would all be the LL,
since most of the cosms have a creation myth of low tech and high spirit.
(in addition, what are the axiom BEFORE intelligent life is there -
 how inteligent must you be to follow your reality?
 does a cosm trully devoid of (intelligent) life truly exist?)

the Warlock series (by C Stascheff) attempted to explain away all
magic by using technology (and a healthy dose of Psionics)
the "belief in brownies created Brownies" was due to a plot device -
psionically active moss(!) that took the form of what those around it wanted.
the moss was already present to form these creatures.
(or, Our Hero performed a planet-wide "Create Evidence" using Faith(science),
 and got a spectacular result, creating the moss pre facto)

dave "still blowing his own horn" oakes
From: albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
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Subject: Re: Infiniverse
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	I think it's around 6-8 weeks.  

	Quick Quiz:  when a player is moving to another state, and it's
his last game, what one card is most dangerous in his hands?
	

	That's right:  Martyr.  Strangely enough, he also whipped out a 
glory result a few rounds earlier.
	It's one for the history books. Or at least Infiniverse.
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Creatures of Tharkold
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:27:03 GMT

I wrote:

>Dave Oakes has also sent in some of his own ideas and he's going to be
>sending some creatures by Richard Wolf off too (why Wolf didn't do it
>himself I haven't found out yet).  Anyone else contribute?

Whoops! I meant Clinton Wolf (at least I didn't call him Worf again).
That'll teach me to try and remember names off the top of my head....

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."
From: axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan)
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Subject: A couple o' Prodigy examples...
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:03:02 GMT
Reply-To: axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)



People keep arguing the viability of the Law of Prodigy in combat/
physical skills, and, well, I thought I'd throw out a few possible
REAL type people, just to give an idea to those who want it. ;)

Fire combat?  Well, Billy the Kid, Buffalo Bill, Annie Oakley all
spring to mind REAL easy-like.

Running, Jumping, Swimming, heck, melee weapons, etc... olympic athletes.
Carl Lewis for Running and Jumping.  Tell me he's not a prodigy <grin>.
Olympic Fencers, Archers, the modern Pentathletes, etc. etc.

Unarmed Combat... float like a butterfly, sting like a bee... Mohammed
Ali would be some serious prodigy material.

Climbing... I'd be inclined to say Sir Edmund Hillary, and his nepalese guide.
Actually, the nepalese guide more so.. 'cause HE carried all the stuff...
I forget his name off the top of my head.  Climbing Mt. Everest is
no laughable feat.

Basically, just about ANYTHING can be prodigized. ;)  Which is what the
game designers figured, I think...

Oh well, off to lunch.

Ashwath
aka Doctor Mobius <ala Torgmush>


"The fools.... little do they know that in four months, twelve days, lessee...
yes, six hours, forty two minutes and nineteen seconds... my plan shall
be COMPLETE!!!  Muahahahahaha"

;)
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Your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the sink.| -axg20@po.cwru.edu-
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From: axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan)
Subject: TorgMUSH... the lowdown... again ;)
Reply-To: axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:19:10 GMT



Well, the insidious Dr. Mobius here, yeah yeah....  <grin>

As far as TorgMUSH goes... well, I might as well just summarize all the
various posts we've bombarded this place with.

In a nutshell, we aren't open yet.  Yes, indeed we do exist... but we're
hacking out the very basic, initial coding steps, so that people
have something to DO when they come on and build, and it looks
somewhat familiar.  Once we get past the coding stage, we'll start
spreading the address around selectively, so as to attract builder
types.  After that stage is done... THEN we shall open to the masses <grin>.

So, you all will probably be the first to know when we need folks!  Thanks
for your interest!

Now, back to my diabolical plan... I need more Eternium dammit!

-Ashwath,
aka Dr. Mobius
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I really don't mind, if you sit this one out...    | <= Jethro Tull
My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout.     | -Ashwath Ganesan-
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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re:  The Explosive Death of Selina
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> Well, sounds like things worked well enough I won't point out that you
> can't trade Subplot cards, you either activate them or trade them in
> for a PP when you draw them....

	Well, I'm pretty loose when it comes to card play.  I 
don't make you play all the cards for your critical act, either,
nor do I make players 'role-play' card exchange.

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From: alix@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au (Alix Walker )
Subject: Re: Stationary or wandering?
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> My players are finally going to be sitting down and coming up with a plan
> for what they want to do instead of having me lead them around by the
> nosehairs and one of the things they are looking at is (finally)
> setting up a base of operations.  I was wondering how many other Torg
> groups have an established base of operations and how many just wander
> around the world like my players used to do.
> 
I'm in two games, one where we go all over the world, the other played
exclusively in the Nile. In the all over the world we've never had too
many problems about transport cause one of the players is a Megacorp
CEO (1 billion yen starting equip!!!). When we realized Operation
Central Fire was bigger than anything we could effect (not until after
a moral arguement lasting over 1 1/2 hours) the CEO even hired us a
Space Shuttle for a Moonraker style marine raid on the Firmament. After
that little stunt though he's pretty much strapped for cash, and dodging
assasination attempts left right and center. Plus business has been going
REALLY bad. Since the player has had another character for quite some
time, and the GM uses the CEO like an NPC I think we've seen the last
of our meal ticket.
I thought the advantage of going all over the world was interacting
under all the different world laws, but the disadvantage is that you
never make a lasting difference in the area, you never really pick
up friends, just "connections" or "campaign romances".
 In the other game we've just got ourselves a "secret base". Its at
an airfield run by two men shamelessly borrowed from the two guys
in Rocketeer. They form the backup or auxilary section of our group
called "Stormfront". It was great fun forming our base, we went back
to these two cause we'd met them in an earlier game after our weird
science helicopter ran out of fuel, and although our CE Soldier of
Fortune could fly it, he had no idea what it was powered by! They
we're quite impressed that we were "Stormfront", and after a
rousing speech (turned into a charm and persuasion rolls) they
threw in their lot with us. Now we operate out of the airfield
and its excellent to have some NPC's who you can really care about.

Anyway, to answer your original question, let the players do what
ever they want. If someone suggests a base there's enthusiasm, then
let it ride. I'm a GM too, and I pretty much let the players do
whatever they want, cause I play the game for them.

Winston (in a box with his own humble opinions)
From: alix@solwarra.gbrmpa.gov.au (Alix Walker )
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: TORG online....
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:19:38 GMT
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> 
> > 	Hey folks!  Wouldst any of you lordlings know of any TORG activity
> > live-wise??  Say BBS or on any of the major services?
> 

Don't know of anything else, but if someone wants to chat about torg
and has IRC access, and I'm on at the time, well they can find me in
the originally named channel TORG.

Winston (in a box)
From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (Stephen Smoogen)
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Subject: Re:  The Explosive Death of Selina
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Rick writes:

[rest of story deleted]

> The other was doing a good job of almost killing PC's, so Selina 
> traded McCoy for the Martyr card he had just gotten for an Approved 

[etc etc]

Kansas Jim comments:

> Well, sounds like things worked well enough I won't point out that you
> can't trade Subplot cards, you either activate them or trade them in
> for a PP when you draw them....

Smooge replies:

And KJ doesn't call himself a rules fascist :) =)....
(as Smooge realizes all his former characters being sent on a mission to a
 certain Keep in Orrorsh :) )

the Smooge
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From: "Colin J. Wynne"  <WYNNE.C@fs.sciences.WLU.EDU>
Subject:      Hello?
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:41:36 GMT

Is everything still okay out there?  I haven't received a post in
forever, it seems.

CJW

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