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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: The Triple Nine Society
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:25:19 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Ted Chan writes about "The Triple Nine Society" to All  [07 Apr 92 00:31]

TC> I seem to have missed the earlier thread about the 99.9th percentile 
TC> groups, so I apologize in advance for any redundancy. Anyway, 
TC> anyone know the current status of the above group? This was an 
TC> offshoot of the "Society for Philisophical Inquiry" (or something 
TC> like that...). Last time I got the Vidya was about '82 or so, 
TC> and I'd like to see about that renewal...

It still exists.

Triple Nine Society
PO Box 1111, Madisonville, KY 42431 
(502) 821-3677

I found out that I don't qualify. <hanging head in shame>; it requires a 1504
SAT and I didn't have quite that score.

You qualify though, it appears.  I guess that means that the Triple Nine Society
must discriminate against white Jewish males.  :-)
 
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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Who's in charge here?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:21:58 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Phil Hill writes about "Re: Who's in charge here?" to All  [09 Apr 92 05:45]

>Or better yet, start a flame war claiming I'm not really in charge of
>this newsgroup.

PH>  You're not in charge!

You're not in charge, so you don't have the authority to say that!  But neither
do I.
 
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From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: (T) INTELLIGENCE DEBATE: PART I
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:24:27 GMT
Organization: The Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr13.040101.12632@ncsu.edu> tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai) writes:
>-------------------------
>INTELLIGENCE AND HEREDITY
>-------------------------
>

>life" indicators of ability was provided in a classic study by Terman
>and his
>associates at Stanford University.  In the 1920's they selected a total
>of 1,528
>children with Stanford-Binet I.Q.'s above 140.  The average I.Q. of the
>group was
>152.  These children were investigated periodically over the years up
>into their
>adulthood.  (Most of them are now in their fifties.)  Terman found that

Surely, most of them would now be in their SEVENTIES, not in the
"fifties".  This suggests that the sources being quoted are ancient
texts, 20 or more years old. Does no-one access current literature and
evidence?



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From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Harsh Language in Recent Post
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:10:51 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Dave Aronson writes about "Harsh Language in Recent Post" to All  [08 Apr 92
11:46]

 MS> Even the president doesn't have to
 MS> swear, but can affirm, when he assumes office.

DA>  As Nixon did (being a Quaker).

yeah, he saved his swearing for the back rooms while the tape machine was recording.
 
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: rjmical@ntg.com (RJ Mical)
Subject: Kill
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:58:41 GMT

I rarely have time to read every entry in this group, but I like to 
log in regularly just to have my kill file wipe out the many, many 
entries posted by the drivel-mouths!  

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
-RJ Mical   (e-mail me at rjmical@ntg.com)                       How's Annie?
"I didn't do it ... I wouldn't refuse to deny that I had dismissed 
    the thought of not doing it, but I didn't do it."   -Joe Frank
"When I turned two I was really anxious, because I'd doubled my 
    age in a year.  I thought, 'If this keeps up, by time I'm six 
    I'll be ninety.'"   -Steven Wright
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Which is the Best RG? (Was: Re: A Truly International Gathering)
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:19:03 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Richard H Schwartz writes about "Re: Which is the Best RG? (Was: Re: A Truly
International Gathering)" to All  [16 Apr 92 23:14]

RHS> Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes: 
>In article <TERRYK.92Apr15083451@fenix.encore.com>, terryk@encore.com (Terence
M. Kelleher) writes: >> 
>> In article <15Apr92013514@miracle.com> phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill)
writes: >> 
>>    My top 5 (in order) are:
>[...]
>>    RG at the end of the Universe   Manchester, MA <<---------------+
>>                                                ^^                  I
>[...]
>                                                                     I
>Didn't the original say Manchester, NH? >>---------------------------+

RHS>  Mike Dukakis annexed New Hampshire into Massachusetts several 
RHS> years ago. :-(

Oh, so that explains it. :-)
 
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From: csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Christopher Wrigley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Education for the gifted
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:58:06 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England


From article , by hall@orion.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Philip Hall 283-4031):
=> =>>Identical twins (as in Minnesota study)    -- 0.86
=> =>
=> =>>it would seem unlikely that genetics alone can account for an
=> =>>individuals intelligence, though I agree it favors those in a closer
=> =>>genetic relationship.
=> =>
=> Identical twins raised separately with a 0.86 correlation don't
=> suggest genetic determination to you??

No, it "don't".

When I originally submitted the above data, my intent was to show the
how Naturists took advantage of their only _clear "evidence" to present
their belief. However, there are many underlying factors that discredit
what appears to be convincing results.

Philip, Herman and all you other Naturists out there;  Have you ever
thought, even for a moment, the possibility of such results being
affected by a THIRD factor?   Allow me to illustrate what I am trying
to say with an example:

Last summer in New York there was a high correlation of heart attacks
in relation to the increased consumption of ice-creams.
--- Is this right?     No, because it was found to be the _heat that
caused the heart attacks and not the ice-cream.  The increased
consumption of the ice cream was also caused by the heat.
In this example, the _heat is the third factor which has affected both
variables.  --  The same applies to our original argument. The third
factor in this case could be any one of a number of affects.
For example (not given to much thought to this, but here goes);

i)    Twins not seperated at birth. I'm not sure of _how much time
      there was before seperation...
ii)   Environmental factors in the womb/uterus. Drugs/Alcohol, mothers
      condition, etc. etc.  (see my previous post, I go into detail)
iii)  When they _were seperated, perhaps the guardians both treated
      each twin in the same way, regarding the infant as 'special'.
		  
Hell, there are so many others (better ones) that I cannot even think
of right now.... but you get the idea.    Not to mention the possibility
that the data could have been 'cooked'. (study is one of it's kind)

Philip, I see you have not attempted to argue against other parts of my
post, only the sample study. Hmmmn, was I  beginning to convince you
before I presented that?  You can see why Naturists love that study.

Have I managed to convince _anybody yet?  It appears so since only
Philip continues to debate the issue. Where are all the psychologists
out there?  Roger?
                        Chris
			__
Christopher  Wrigley           "Have not children the right to keep the
University of Keele, England      secrets of their hearts from you?"
JANET - csz55@uk.ac.keele.           (Lindkvist - Strindbergs "Easter")
Internet - csz55%keele.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: signing off rec.org.mensa for the time being
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:53:02 -0500

phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:

 PH> Moderation would make someone the god of the
 PH> newsgroup to decide who is a flamer and who is not.  Would you like it
 PH> if (for some reason) you were sited as a bad person, and your posts
 PH> were edited out.

 The authority to do the former does not necessarily imply the ability
 to do the latter, except by Usenet Tradition.

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: /T/T/ The 2% Rule
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:13:50 GMT
Reply-To: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Organization: NCSU Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory

phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:
>tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai) writes:
>>twc@svcs1.UUCP (Ted Chan) writes:
>>
>>> I don't think "actively" and "minorities" mean what you think they mean.
>>> I'd hate to think that I'm actively discriminating against fellow minority
>>> members, but I'm sure you know better...
>>
>>Any African-American or Hispanic US MENSA members out there?

>Yes. There are many.  What makes you think there are not.  There are active
>Hispanics and African-Americans in my chapter.

How many?  In any event, I've yet to see any post to this newsgroup...

---------
Scott Tai
From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A REAL CHALLENGE: Fermat's last theorem..
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:11:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr6.031114.17308
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr6.020038.21270@ncsu.edu>
 cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes:

>While we're talking puzzles, Here's some really challenging stuff
>for you to figure out..

>(TO the best of my knowledge) Fermat, one of the great mathematicians
>in history, discovered the following theorem:

Well, let's say he *proposed* the theorem.

> (the '3' is a cube sign)
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
> 3      3                    3 
>a   +  b    can NEVER equal c 

>where a,b, and c are non - equal, non - zero integers.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

Actually, he proposed it for *all* integer exponents greater than 2.

>There was a little note added to the theorem:

>" and I've found a really neat way of proving this "
>or at least, something to that effect.

"I have found a truly remarkable proof for this theorem, but there is no
space to write it here."  (This was in the margin of a book.) 

>Unfortunately, what that 'neat way' was, no one will ever know,
>because Fermat died soon after, and the theorem, while seemingly
>correct has never been proven. Of course, no one has been able to
>prove that it is incorrect, either, by finding appropriate values
>for a, b, and c. This is particularly intriguing given the well known
>relationship    2       2       2
>               a   +   b   =   c

Actually, it *has* been proven correct for the special case (exponent =
3) that you cite above.

>which is true for innumerable cases of a, b, and c.

>I used to spend hours trying to figure it one way or the other, and
>although I  came up with some interesting peripheral results, I never
>met with any success.. Anyone tried this before? 

C'mon, I still have to do my *taxes...*

>Many mathematicians dismiss this by saying that there are plenty of
>results that you cannot prove one way or the other.. I still
>find the problem pretty interesting.

Actually, I don't know of many mathematicians who think it's
undecidable.  Now, the Goldbach Conjecture (any even number > 2 can be
expressed as the sum of two primes) may be undecidable...


My favorite version: in the W. 4th St. subway station, someone scribbled
Fermat's Last Theorem on a poster, and added: I have found a truly
remarkable proof of this, but my train is coming.

Roger
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: IQ Statistics und SAT, GRE, GMAT
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:51:07 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Dave Aronson writes about "IQ Statistics und SAT, GRE, GMAT" to All  [09 Apr
92 23:20]

 MS> the Army GT has [a 98th %ile score of] 136 (however,
 MS> that is of the general population; 140 is the 98th 
 MS> percentile for those people in the military).

DA>   Hmmmm! Is that because folks in the military are smarter, or 
DA> because  they vary more widely, or what? Do they give the test 
DA> to EVERYBODY, so  that this really does mean "those in the military", 
DA> or just to some  select subset, which could skew the results? 

All applicants (and draftees back in the bad old days) were given a preliminary
test called the AFQT (Armed Forces Qualification Test).  Those who scored below
a certain point never got to take the GT test (and the rest of the tests in
that group).  So the bottom x percent were weeded out before taking the test.
 Until 1974 or so, Mensa did not take that into account and required a GT test
of 140 for admission.  The change was made before Abbie Salny became the test
supervisor.  The only reason that I know of this is because when I joined in
1969, Mensa required a GT of 140, and I later saw on the recruitment brochure
that the requirement had changed to 136, so when I met Dr. Abbie in 1978, I
asked her about it, and she explained the reason to me.
 
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From: tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: mrmrks and beating a dead horse ...
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: tordm@vana
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden

In article <c0tj1=b.sue@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

[text deleted]
>I don't like new-nazis but I don't
>hang around their offices or bulleting boards telling them so.

 Why not? Do you agree with nazis? Do you accept them? Maybe Scott's a man
of action and not of acceptance? Do you see people in Chile or South
Africa accept the discrimination put on them? they act... They might seem
stupid, dumb or even naive to those discriminating, but they act...





---------------+--------------------------------
 Tord Malmgren | Internet: tordm@vand.physto.se | These opinions are my own,
               | BITnet  : TORDM@SESUF51.BITNET | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm
From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A REAL CHALLENGE: Fermat's last theorem..
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:35:11 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <702648459.F00004@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
> 
> roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>  RL> My favorite version: in the W. 4th St. subway station, someone scribbled
>  RL> Fermat's Last Theorem on a poster, and added: I have found a truly
>  RL> remarkable proof of this, but my train is coming.
> 
>  That's a LOT more intellectual than I'd expect to find scrawled in a
>  subway station, especially if you mean NYC!

If my memory serves me correctly, that station is the one that serves Peter
Stuyvesant High School, which rivals Bronx Science as one of the foremost
"magnet" high schools in the country for math and science majors.  If such
graffiti were to appear in a NYC subway station, that is one of the stations
where it would most likely be written.
From: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: /T/ Tai the Truth
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Organization: NCSU Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory

Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner) writes:

>>  -- Or perhaps you need professional help.  Anyone who posts dozens of
>> things in a row, most of them with NO content other than a smart-aleck
>> remark or an insult, very likely has a screw loose.

> ST>  Hmm... anyone want to volunteer to help Mike Steiner? :) 

> He meant you, you dumb shit.
 
I think his remarks especially apply to you, after your recent numerous 
attacks.

---------
Scott Tai
From: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: /T/ MODERATION/CENSORSHIP ON R.O.M.?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:45:39 GMT
Reply-To: tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai)
Organization: NCSU Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory

cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes:

> Well, could anyone explain what happened to a (possibly controversial)
> posting I'd made (Re: TIME TRAVEL) in which I'd asked for opinions
> on a certain story, clearly stating that I was by no means sure of it's
> veracity.. It mysteriously disappeared, it seems. If there's someone 
> controlling the postings on this group, please inform us when you decide
> to cancel our articles, and why!

Okay, okay... I confess!!! :)

---------
Scott Tai
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: /T/T/ The 2% Rule
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:31:50 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr5.210418.12088@ncsu.edu>, tai@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Tai) writes...
>mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>> This does not prove discrimination by Mensa.  Many college students probably
>> qualify by Mensa in one way or another, based on the test scores and
>the like.
>> So many of these graduates probably could get in, minorities
>concluded.  All
>> you have proven is that maybe minorties aren't interested in Mensa.
> 
>Possibly because of the implicit discouragement they receive?

Yes, it's sad that there may be some minority cultures that may discourage
intellegent members to develop their intelligence.  It's sad that something
that should be treated as a valuable asset is a liability instead.

It's sad that, to a certain extent, the whole US culture doesn't attempt to
encourage the development of intelligence of its members.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: The 2% Rule
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:47:38 GMT

In article <kuc7efINN8q6@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule) writes:
> 
> -Don't attempt to put words into my mouth.  I've never said anything
> -about this being about 'political correctness'.  Rather, I am firmly
> -opposed to any form of discrimination, whether blatant or subtle in
> -nature.
> -
> --------------------------------
> -Scott Tai -- tai@ailab.ncsu.edu
> -North Carolina State University
> -Artificial Intelligence Systems
> --------------------------------
> 
> 
>    Hey Scott, take a chill pill. Mensa has a perfect right to hold to whatever
>    standards they deem necesary for membership in their club. There is absolutely
>    nothing discriminatory either blatant or subtle in having the criteria they 
>    hold to for membership. 

Hey, guys, this has been stated before.  The statement "opposed to any
form of discrimination" is, when taken literally, ludicrous.  I've
got to assume that Scott meant "those forms of discrimination that
I find negative" (if not, let me know).  And as for Mensa's setting
criteria for membership, that is indeed discrimination, period.  They
are discriminating.  And they have a legal right to do that.  If someone
doesn't agree with it, fine.  But it is discrimination.  And it's necessary,
apparently, to point out that the blanket statement of "any form of
discrimination", although it can't be taken literally here, still has
to be defined before you can logicall debate it.  Some forms of 
discrimination are not only good but practical and sometimes unavoidable.

In lieu of using the Popular Implied Meaning of our terminology, or
assuming that everyone "just knows what I mean" and getting a pointless
debate of no perceivable issue started, let's just get our definitions
straight first.  Then we can continue.  Agreed?

Sorry this seems repetitive, but let's face it:  That which goes without
saying rarely does.  And usually shouldn't.


G. Mark Stewart
From: Mike.Steiner@p1.f207.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Tai's Lies
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:15:13 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/207.1 - Sunnyvale Fido Conn, Sunnyvale CA


Scott Tai writes about "Tai's Lies" to All  [05 Apr 92 23:54]

>> This is typical of MENSA supporters:  they can't adequately rebut new
>> ideas and proposals, so they turn to flames.   Sad, isn't it...

 > When up against obtuseness and and irrationality, even a saint can lose
> his/her cool at times.

 > You have not come up with any new ideas here, and your proposals here
> have been inane.

ST>  This is typical of MENSA supporters: they can't adequately rebut 
ST> new ideas and proposals, so they turn to flames. Sad, isn't it... 
ST> :) 

As I wrote before, You have not come up with any new ideas here, and your proposals
here have been inane.

This is typical of Mensa bashers: they can't come up with new ideas and proposals,
so they turn to flames.  Sad, isn't it... :-)
 
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa,alt.atheism
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Red Sea.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:17:19 GMT

In article <house.702520877@helios> house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:
|J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson) writes:
|>Imagine a scientist who is collecting data and then God stepping in to make
|>normally impossible things happen (like parting the Red Sea).
|
|BTW, I read that recent simulations have shown that freak wind conditions
|in the Red Sea should be able to part it.

To add, the Bible specifically mentions that God caused a strong wind to
blow all night -- which is why the simulations were run.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

I'm very good at integral and differential calculus,
I know the scientific names of beings animalculous;
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.
		-- Gilbert & Sullivan, "Pirates of Penzance"