HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan)
Subject: Re: Statements on family values needed
Reply-To: kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:08:04 GMT


>>>>
I'm looking for quotes or statements issued by any of the
presidential candidates, or other party members, on the subject of
family values.  I'm writing an essay on the subject, and am specifically
interested in how they define what family values are.
>>>>

"Family Values" are when you get significantly lower prices on items you need
for the family. WalMart has it all the time! :-) :-)

Nari

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: jrdobbs@milton.u.washington.edu (J Robert Dobbs  Esq.)
Subject: Re: "I can even forgive Bush for Dan Quayle, but not for this."
Summary: Worse than you think
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:03:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.092853.1622@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <JASON.92Sep1124501@ab20.larc.nasa.gov>, jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) writes:
>> -> >
>> 	I live on the coast of Virginia.  A few days is not long
>> enough to organize an entire disaster relief system large enough to
>> handle that level of destruction...

>This is exactly why FEMA was created.  It *has* a budget in the $100M/yr
>range to organize an entire disaster relief system large enough to handle
>that level of destruction.  Unfortunately that money seems to be being
>used to support out of work political hacks.

Actually the FEMA has had two new major mandates since the Reagan
administration.  One is to attempt to maintain some semblence of
government after a "limited" nuclear war. (Change of address cards,
tax collection...and no, I'm NOT kidding!!!)

The other purpose is to arrest and detain large numbers of people and 
control communications in case of large scale civil disturbances, such
as what might follow a sudden, unpopular invasion (cf. Nicaragua).

Aptly named Defence Secretary "Dick" Cheney wanted them to round up all
the "radicals" before the invasion of Iraq last year.  Bush isn't that
stupid - he knows he can only get away with such a stunt once, and is
saving it for when its really useful/necessary.

With only $100 million to spend (are you sure its not more?) I can't
believe they can maintain the ability all of these different "objectives".
Even if they went back to being just a "super Red Cross", we're talking
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: D. Q.'s speech at the convention...
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:47:01 GMT

In article <24AUG92221723@adcalc.fnal.gov> glass@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
> 
>Dan Quayle
>Acceptance Speech
>[prepared text]
>Republican National Convention
>Houston, Texas
>August 20, 1992
>
>[...]
>
>I know my critics wish I were not standing here tonight.
>They don't like our values.  They look down on our beliefs.
>They're afraid of our ideas.  And they know the American
>people stand on our side.  That is why, when someone
>confronts them and challenges them, they will stop at
>nothing to destroy him.  To them I say:  You have failed.  I
>stand before you, and before the American people--unbowed,
>unbroken, and ready to keep fighting for our beliefs.
>
>[...]

  When I heard the above sentences from news, I was puzzled.
  All people talking about before the convention is that some
  Republicans wanted DQ off the ticket.  So I'm wondering to
  whom the above words are meant.
  Don't you think that Democrats love to see DQ on the ticket?

-ping

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: dks@athena.mit.edu (dks)
Subject: Re: AN ANAGRAM!!! WE HAVE ONE!!!
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:55:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.192539.17142@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce watson) writes:
>In article <3FiRPB1w164w@monsoon.com> sg@monsoon.com (Sunil Gupta) writes:
>>s5202734@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s5202734) writes:
>>> 
>>>    Spiro Agnew <===> Grow a Penis
>>
>>The guy who discovered this one is (get this) Dick Cavett.
>
>Did he discover it? I heard him say it on TV but was it original with him?


I think Cavett did make it up.  More recently, he defended Woody Allen,
arguing that only one thing could make Woody's skin crawl more than
sexually abusing a child: the thought of French-kissing Patrick Buchanan.


Dhanesh

He didn't say which act he thought Mrs. Buchanan would rather avoid.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Tucker's e-mail
Summary: Leave Quayle's family out of it
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:11:43 GMT

     In a recent post, an a.f.d-q'er identifying himself as "god" posted Tucker
Quayle's college e-mail address. The only possible reason I could think of for 
why this would be done would be to encourage a.f.d-q'ers to harrass the younger
Quayle with nasty messages.
     I doubt that more than a few people reading this are infantile enough to
stoop that low, but I still think it needs to be said that there is a rather 
thick line between lampooning a public figure and harrassing that figure. If 
you were to bombard Tucker Quayle with mail, you would on the wrong side of 
that line. You can think what you will of Dan and Marilyn Quayle, but their 
children should be left out of it.
     I will now step off my soapbox -- continue as before.

                    Steve (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: pat@sphinx.phys.Virginia.EDU (pat walsh)
Subject: Trophies (was Re: "I can even forgive Bush for Dan Quayle, but not for this."
Organization: University of Virginia Physics Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:47:49 GMT

dks@athena.mit.edu (dks) writes:

>Exactly.  Which only makes me wonder why people like George and Dannikins
>want so much to occupy the White House in the first place.  Perhaps they
>think their role is ornamental?

I'm not the first to respond to Dhanesh's post (life's rough, eh?), but I
think the answer is something along these lines:

To GHHB (was GHWB), the Presidency is a trophy.  He's spent his whole adult
life collecting trophies.  "Self-made oil baron"?  Got a big one for that,
six feet tall, with a big derrick on top that spurts real oil.  Ambassador
to China?  Oooh, that one was cool, a big brass model of the Great Wall than
takes up a whole room by itself.  Head of the CIA?  That one's REALLY cool,
but he's not allowed to show it to you (national security, you know).  In
November 1988 he won the biggest, baddest trophy of them all, and if he
retires undefeated in January 1997 he gets to keep it.  But if he loses
this November, the biggest, baddest trophy gets taken away from him.  That's
why he seems to take the idea of defeat so personally (how DARE they?), and
why he seems to become ever whinier as the campaign progresses and his
chances of reelection appear ever more dubious.

As for JDQ, I think it's all just a matter of going along for the ride.
They asked me, he figures, so why not?  Many people would do the same.
(Yikes!  Almost sounds like I'm defending the man!  Well, I just have a hard
 time swallowing any explanation more complicated than that.)

- Patrick Walsh
  University of Virginia Department of Physics
  pw@virginia.bitnet, pw@virginia.edu, pat@gomez.phys.virginia.edu
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From: dks@MIT.EDU (dks)
Subject: Clinton/Gore text files available via FTP
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Courtesy of Barry Shein / Software Tool & Die / Brookline / Massachusetts:

> [Clinton/Gore text files are] on world.std.com
> accessible directly or via anonymous FTP [...]
> 
> in the directory    /obi/USElection/President/Clinton/
> 
> 
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Just in case you didn't see the announcement when it first appeared.


Dhanesh

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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: "I can even forgive Bush for Dan Quayle, but not for this."
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 00:46:40 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

dks@athena.mit.edu (dks) writes:

> In article <31AUG92144344@adcalc.fnal.gov> glass@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
> >     The problem is that George Bush and his cronies in the White House
> >don't really view their function as serving the public.  If they did,
> >heads would have rolled in 1989 and FEMA would have been johnny-on-the-
> >spot next time around.  Bush probably said all the right things when he
> >heard about the hurricane, but I'd bet it never entered his little head
> >that the federal government, Geo. Bush presiding, is supposed to DO
> >something.
>
>
> Exactly.  Which only makes me wonder why people like George and Dannikins
> want so much to occupy the White House in the first place.  Perhaps they
> think their role is ornamental?
>
>
> Dhanesh
>
> Clinton/Gore: Government that works.
> Baker-Bush/Quayl: Government that whines about government.
> Marrou/Lord: Government? What government?
> Perot/Perot:  All of the above.
>

I think it's more than ornamental.  In Bush's case, it's more that he wants all
of the trappings of the Imperial Presidency without having to be bothered with
the 'vision thing.'  He wanted to get knighted by Queen Elizabeth, like Reagan,
and retire as an elder statesman rather than just another political hack.  Of
course, when the going got tough, George has folded.

Dano?  He's lucky he got this far.  He probably knows he's just ornamental, and
he's hoping that he can send his wife out on the lecture and fundraising
circuit after this is all over for him.



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Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle's GPA and Other Tids on His College Daze
Reply-To: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Organization: Citicorp+TTI
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.002329.934@cs.rose-hulman.edu>,
pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
> Yeah, but a college GPA does not a life make, and just because one isn't  
> intelligent doesn't mean that one's not a leader...

Eight years of Reagan certainly proved THAT beyond any reasonable argument!

> even though Clinton's a Rhodes Scholar, he's still the failed governor of  
> a small Southern state...

"Failed" in what regard?
  
> [Quayle was] still one of the most respected Senators on the Hill...

"Most respected?"  By whom, his golf partners?  How was this respect
quantified for comparison?

> I thought this was alt.FAN.dan-quayle.  What's with all the Dan-bashing?

Well, now that you're here, true fandom(e) can commence, right?

---------

A fanatic is someone who does what he knows that God would do if God knew the
facts of the case.

Some mailers apparently munge my address; you might have to use
bsmart@bsmart.tti.com -- or if that fails, fall back to
72027.3210@compuserve.com.  Ain't UNIX grand?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: rkannan@diana.cair.du.edu (PiedPiperAtTheGatesOfDawn)
Subject: Re: Statements on family values needed
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:12:07 GMT

>>>>>
>I'm looking for quotes or statements issued by any of the
>presidential candidates, or other party members, on the subject of
>family values.  I'm writing an essay on the subject, and am specifically
>interested in how they define what family values are.
>>>>>


 Family values happen to be inversely proportional to ones IQ. They also
help you to skip spelling classes and play golfe.

Raj

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I dont mind the loss, that I have lost my mind
							JDQ
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: DSTEPHEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: More than meets the eye
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:15:59 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Aug28.161252.14083@rchland.ibm.com>
jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>
>     I despise JDQ, and up till last night I though he was a fool
>and an idiot.  While watching him on PRIME TIME LIVE, Quayle was
>
I also enjoyed the 20 Minute segment on Prime Time Live and thought that our
Boy was remarkably coherent and normal.  Even the lovely Marilyn seemed
relatively human.  I was concerned about the upbeat and positive tone of the
entire thing, especially the lead-in--the reporter (I'm not sure whom) talking
about how Quayle had turned the corner with the press.  They played excerpts
from his acceptance speech in Houston--which to me was just an idiotized
"Checkers" speech--as evidence.  I do sense that Our Boy is getting more
positive notices on TV.

For me the real highlight of the piece was a wedding photo of the Our Boy
and Bloody Mary.  She sure did look sharp with long hair parted down the
middle, hippy love-child style.  No wonder he knocked her up and married her
within ten weeks.
Organization: Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 13:18:26 -0400 
From: "Joshua M. Sabloff" <jsa5+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Double messages on abortion

Buchannan?  Ya, he would pick Hitler's corpse to be his running mate. 
With Mussolini as his secretary of state.

:-(


-Josh Sabloff (jsa5@andrew.cmu.edu)
"Now go away before I taunt you a second time-a!"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Dan
From: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Anthony 'the Bard' Hobbs)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <1992Aug29.074142.27342@athena.cs.uga.edu>, stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton) writes:
>Ah sir  you mourn the loss of this fair group, but keep your shoulders
>straight, your spirits up and your vision straight ahead, for as long 
>as there are Americans, there will be idiots in power equally as easy
>to ridicule as Danny Boy.

Is it just me, or does this overoptimism scare other people too? I think it's
more than likely that King George and Dan-Oe will be re-elected. Republicans
have gotten too good at voter manipulation to give up now. Who knows what they
have up their sleeves? Another round of Arab shooting? Invasion of Cuba,
perhaps? Or maybe a debt-induced recovery? I fear, good people, you're
underestimating the scum.

Mind you... if they do lose (which I doubt... *sigh*) do you realise we're
going to have a VP arguably more intelligent than the president? Maybe we can
start an alt.fan.tipper. That should be fun.

anthony (not an american, and glad)
--
Anthony Hobbs             the Bard                hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz    
OverPope, First Holy and Unreformed Church of Frozen Yoghurt - romantic poet - 
synth player extraordinaire - kate bush is goddess - hail Eris - praise "Bob"!
DISCLAIMER: I am not Romanian and was not head of the Securitate for 15 years.
Xref: sparky alt.fan.dan-quayle:3211 alt.politics.bush:3658 alt.politics.clinton:3656
From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: "I can even forgive Bush for Dan Quayle, but not for this."
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:09:10 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) writes:

>
>
>       I don't think you understand the magnitude what happened.  It
> was more than anyone would have expected and the system was just not
> prepared.  It's no ones fault when everyone's doing the best they can.
> A hindsight argument that Bush should have predicted this and prepared
> is ridiculous.  It's not even Bush's job to monitor each state's
> emergency preparedness.  This is just another liberal scam to take
> advantage of people's pain for political gain.
> --
> Jason C. Austin
> j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
>

You've got to live somewhere where hurricanes are an annual threat to your
community to appreciate just how wrong you are on this one.  Hurricanes are not
earthquakes;  you get anywhere from 48-96 hours warning that one of them is
going to whack the US.  Where specifically it will hit may be in doubt, but
that 48-96 hours warning ought to be sufficient time to begin staging federal
disaster relief.  You also get 48 hours' warning as to how big the storm is
going to be.  It's a safe bet that if a storm is Category 4 or 5 (Andrew was a
4, Camille back in '69 was a 5) you're going to need federal help.  No state
disaster relief program is capable of handling the level of destruction that a
storm that size will bring about.

I'm quite sure that the folks in the White House watch CNN.  They get the same
reports on a storm's location that everyone else does.  The National Hurricane
Center is a federal agency.  The notion that the White House is not aware of
what is going on is truly riduculous.

As to the emergency preparedness of any given state, there is no state that
could handle the devastation of a storm like Andrew.  Even in Gulf Coast
states, where the National Guard units are experienced in evacuation and
disaster relief, the logistics are just too great.  Monitoring a state's
preparedness is not the issue; even the most prepared state will need a vast
amount of federal help, mostly from the military after such a disaster.  That
the Bush administration couldn't see this coming, and in of all years an
*election year* is unbelievable.  You'd think at least that the campaign team
would see this as a way to show that things are running smoothly on Bush's
watch.

The scam to take advantage of peoples' pain is Bush showing up last Monday in
south FL.  Had he wanted to really show he cared for the people of FL and LA,
he would have shown up in Miami riding in a C-5A loaded with supplies rather
than Air Force One.



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From: mad19@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Mr The biggest chauvanist around. =)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Quotes????
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:00:13 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Hello,

I'm a new reader to this newsgroup, and was wondering if someone had a
list of quotes that Quayle has actually said.

Back here in England, he has a slightly poor reputation, and is known
for putting his foot in it.

Any quotes would be welcome. 

Thanks

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: "Liberal" - A Misnomer
Summary: Right! 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:33:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.115945.2018@wkuvx1.bitnet>, barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet            writes...
>Let's face it - the term "liberal" is a misnoner.  Some of the 
>most intolerant people I've ever met are liberals (of course, I'm
>sure there are good-hearted, if misled ones, out there).

Perhaps you haven't read the definition of conservative lately.
I'm sure you haven't listened to Pat Buchanan's speech.

>  They've got control over Congress and the media; God help us if
>they get the Presidency as well.

Definantly! It's a big conspiracy! The Communists, er, I mean Liberals
are everywhere. 

>  That's my opinion - it ought to be yours.

This is a great line. Did you get it from McCarthy?


-Garrett
From: puccio@media.mit.edu (Jim Puccio)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Quayleisms and Bushisms (Was: Re: Quayle/Bush Competency?)
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:26:30 GMT
	<92244.111141APPMS@CUNYVM.BITNET>
	<1992Sep2.213905.25177@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory

In article <1992Sep2.213905.25177@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> wilson@gauss.cs.jhu.edu (Dwight Wilson) writes:

> No no, what we want is someone to make a collection of digitized film 
> clips and sound bites.  We could call it, "The Multimedia Elite."

Consider it done.  Such a file of Quaaylitudes exists as an appx. 8 Mb 
QuickTime movie on Sumex, as I understand.  I have yet to download it and 
check it out, so I can't speak for its hilarity, though I'm sure it's more 
than worth its weight in ferrous oxides.

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| "Being dumb is just about the worst thing there is when it comes to holding |
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Atheism is _not_ a faith! ( was Re: ABORTION)
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:48:42 GMT

barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>  No, religion does not = superstition.  Is religion a faith? Yes.
>  Is atheism a faith? Yes!  The non-existence of God cannot be 
>  proven; you can't prove a negative.  Likewise, the existence of
>  God cannot be proven absolutely until you see Him yourself.  So,
>  does this mean Atheism = Superstition?

Yawn. Double yawn. Let's go through this one again for the benefit
of the slow ones in the audience, shall we?

Atheism is a faith in so much as thinking that there is no large
purple pear-flavoured jellybean orbiting Jupiter is a faith.

No, sorry, I'm just too tired to argue. Please direct followups
to alt.atheism to save people's patience.

P.


>                                           -Jeff
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From: Bucky.Whaley@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bucky Whaley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Dan's a Democrat (sorry, wrong key)
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:13:49 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <w1fncma.jeffgus@netcom.com> jeffgus@netcom.com (Jeffrey Gustafson) writes:
>unrzc7@daphne.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (THOMAS LUBANSKI) writes:
>
>>Seriously, even though I'm a bit away from the US, the mere thought of Bush/
>>Quayl rerunning for the next four years makes my stomach turn. So please 
>>vote. VOTE!!!! And do it for Clinton/Gore. I really don't know these two 
>>guys, but there's no way that they are worse than Bush/Quayl.
>
>	What I can't understand is how Dan Quayle is all of the sudden
>an idiot.  He has been in politics for years before he became Vice
>President.  Is it just because he isn't "Politically Correct"?
>
>				...Jeff
>				jeffgus@netcom.com

Why, yes, that's the only reason.  It's not as though he ever says 
idiotic stuff or anything.

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