HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:47:17 GMT

In article <eBF9iB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:

Pete Faust, who thinks that the Germans never gassed anybody, also
thinks that the Jews are trying to destroy this country.
There is a very strong connection between those who deny the
truth of the Holocaust and those who are anti-Semitic.
The people at B-CPU who put out the nonsense about the Holocaust
are not historians but motivated by anti-Semitism.  They have
connections to white-supremicist anti-Semitic groups.
See below:

> The intent of the Zionist-
>controlled media in the United States is to misinform,
>confuse and destroy our country, while acquiring trillions of
>our dollars in the process.  
>     The media's use of the Laugh Track is to destroy our
>morals, ethics (including work ethic), educational system and
>family unit.  Theft, drugs, prostitution, rape and murder
>(anything illicit) rate laughs, including incest.

Here he says that Jews are equivalent to Nazis.

>Side Remark:  Super Race\Chosen People, should be but one
>word..........`GARBAGE'.
>
>Pete Faust
>Institute for Relearning
>
Anything from Pete Faust, George Martin and Ralph Winston is just
anti-Semitic propaganda.  If you don't want to read their garbage
create a kill file with these names.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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From: dege@cs.umn.edu (Dege Jeffrey Charles)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:08:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr14.020819.16701
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In <1992Apr13.143832.28733@sarah.albany.edu> mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.001441.10220@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>Morally, in my opinion, no one has the right to shout down those they
>>oppose.

>Just out of curiosity, Mr. Kadie, would you have been as zealous in
>supporting the rights of the German Nazis to be heard in, say, 1930?

>Just what _would_ you have done, if anything, to resist Nazism?

    Did the Nazis have the right to speak?  Yes.  And anyone concerned with
freedom should support them in that right.
 
    On the other hand, the Nazis in their early days did many things that
should not be protected, to include physical attacks on communists and jews.
Racially motivated crimes should be prosecuted to the extent of the law.
Speech, however, is not a crime.
 
===============================================
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: University of Torotno / UTCS Public Access
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:39:14 GMT

In the discussion of how to oppose a Klan rally there has been a muddying of
goals.

If you want to have a counterdemonstration, then you seek to demonstrate your opposition to the klan demonstration.  The ideas of showing up to laugh or having comics hold an anti-Klan comedy festival somewhere else were excellent examples of how this might effectively be done.  A counterdemonstration should be intended to demonstrate opposition, not be an act of opposition.

If you want to oppose the Klan, the way to do it is by other means.  By working to eliminate hatred etc., or (for the fiercer bodies) by going out with baseball bats and causing actual physical harm.  A good whack is worth a thousand shouts.

If that sounds extreme (and it was intended to sound extreme), consider that earlier in this discussion, someone cited the Nazis in the 1930's as an example.  The notion of taking some sports equipment to Nazis back when it might have helped, certainly seems attractive.

I do not advocate violence in opposition to the Klan--mostly because it's illegal, and partly because it means that they have succeeded in defining the terms of discourse to suit their level of preparation.  However, I must point out that to shout out a Klan rally is not to oppose the Klan--not materially.

Aryk Nusbacher
aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: dlu@wobble.uucp (Doug Urner)
Subject: Re: How about an alt.holocaust?
Organization: dlu UNIX Consultants
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:52:43 GMT

aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

>A couple of posters on this thread suggest that if alt.holocaust
>were created, the holocaust revisionists would simply extend their
>cross-posting. Perhaps so, but at least those RESPONDING to the
>revisionists could be encouraged to follow up to that newsgroup
>ONLY. If they co-operated, we would still see the postings from
>the revisionists, but would cut down greatly on the noise from
>the revisionist bashers. Who knows, maybe if this were adhered to
>SOLIDLY the revisionists might get enough of a clue to cross-post
>only when they had something that the other groups might plausibly
>have an interest in.

It would be nice, but I think the revisionist crowd is operating with
malice and forethought.  Their plan seems to be to use Goeble's "Big
Lie" (the bigger the lie, the more people fall for it) tactics.  I
think they are trying to stir up hatred against Jews.  I am concerned
(Quakers always have concerns:-) that they will continue cross posting
and that without the refutations they will be more successful in their
hate mongering.
-- 
Doug Urner, dlu@wobble   "They tear down our comrades like leaves from a tree,
dlu UNIX Consulting       leaves from a tree, leaves from a tree, but the
Bellingham, WA            tree still stands, its roots locked to the land."
206/676-5759                              -- Song of the Exile,  Barry Guilder
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS *NOT* being denied "free speech"
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:32:31 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan):
>USENET is hardly "uncensored".

Of course it is.  It's the least censored medium in the world.

>You don't see many people posting globs of informational messages from
>the Buchanan or Bush campaigns.

Correlation does not imply causality.

How long until basic statistics is widely understood?  *sigh*
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7507 alt.individualism:2380 talk.politics.misc:17701
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Socialism Security Rides Again
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:04:16 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster) writes:
>In article <rdippold.702582849@cancun>
>rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> 
>>The police checked, and sure enough.  If you are an acoholic or a drug
>>addict, Social Security classifies you as "disabled" and will support
>>your drug habit to the tune of $625 dollars a month.
>>
>Nice tactic!  Pick one isolated instance of possible abuse out of an
>otherwise worthwhile program and use it to tar the whole thing.  How
>about going after a few real egregious examples of abuse, like SDI or
>the RTC?

Because those programs don't usually have that much support on here,
and they're pretty well known.  If I tell someone about SDI aka Star
Wars, they'll probably know what it is.  Almost nobody knew you could
get Social Security to pay for drug addiction.  Just one of the worst
programs in an already bad one.
-- 
In Germany the fascists goose-stepped.  In America they jog.
From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Socialism Security Rides Again
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:08:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: amber.TOM.92Apr7160843
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
In-reply-to: mikeq@saab.CNA.TEK.COM's message of 7 Apr 92 18:31:34 GMT

>On the other hand, good news on the War on Rights.  The supreme court
>threw out the case against the farmer who was entrapped by the
>government into a child pornography rap.

mikeq>  And guess who voted to uphold the case. Yup, ol' Long Dong Thomas
mikeq>  hisself.

Wrong. Voting for the majority (to overturn the conviction) were:

   White, Souter, Thomas, Blackmun, Stevens

Voting on the other side (to uphold the conviction) were:

   O'Connor, Rehnquist, Kennedy, Scalia

Of course, it is possible Thomas voted the way he did because he has
recently been accused of always voting with Scalia and never making up his
own mind, so he decided to "show them" (or maybe he wants to make sure the
post office doesn't catch him in a pornography sting :-).
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship
From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:20:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.020819.16701@cs.umn.edu> dege@cs.umn.edu (Dege Jeffrey Charles) writes:
>In <1992Apr13.143832.28733@sarah.albany.edu> mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr13.001441.10220@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>>Morally, in my opinion, no one has the right to shout down those they
>>>oppose.
>
>>Just out of curiosity, Mr. Kadie, would you have been as zealous in
>>supporting the rights of the German Nazis to be heard in, say, 1930?
>
>>Just what _would_ you have done, if anything, to resist Nazism?
>
>    Did the Nazis have the right to speak?  Yes.  And anyone concerned with
>freedom should support them in that right.
> 
>    On the other hand, the Nazis in their early days did many things that
>should not be protected, to include physical attacks on communists and jews.
>Racially motivated crimes should be prosecuted to the extent of the law.
>Speech, however, is not a crime.

   [Not to pick on the present poster in particular, many people have
    expressed similar ideas]

I'd like to know something. When a member of the S.A. (brownshirts)
is standing in front of your shop, holding a placard carrying the
inscription "Don't buy from Jewish shops," and the general populace,
for whatever reason, chooses to obey the sign, what should the Jewish
shopowner do? The S.A. member is doing nothing but exercising free
speech.
***********************************************************************

I usually only include a single thought per posting, because doing
otherwise gives people an excuse to ignore one at the expense of the
other, but the following is relevant.

In 1933, there was a confrontation in Toronto. Residents of the Beaches
neighbourhood were upset that "Europeans" were flocking to "their"
area, changing on the beach, eating and generally acting in
a non-waspy/Toronto way. (The waterfront area, then as know, is public
recreational property.) The youth of the neighbourhood formed the
Swastika club.

There was tension as a result, culminating in "The Riot at Christie
Pits." A baseball game played at C.P. involved a team that was largely
Jewish. Swastika club members in the stands unfurled a banner and a riot
ensued. In the aftermath, the city banned the wearing of the Swastika
and effectively ordered the club to disband. 

The city recognised that the Jews of Toronto were simply not
going to sit still while being taunted with the symbol of the
racist laws already being applied in Germany (see the Toronto
Daily Star of the period.) In the interests of "peace, order
and good government" they acted to demonstrate unambiguously
what was and was not acceptable in Canadian society.
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From: cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Summary: Ah, the truth
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:33:41 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: AT&T

In article <DF4NiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
> 
>                   SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE
>  
>      Germans and we of German descent are sons and daughters
> of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Wagner, Haydn,
> Handel, Humperdinck, Johann and Richard Strauss, Berg,
> Webern, Hindemith, Schnittke, Goethe, Schiller, Kant, Hegel,
> Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, ad infinitum.  We have not gassed (a
> new dimension in inhumanity) and do not gas people...any
> people.  Those who knowingly claim we did, knowing we did not
> (THE TRUE WAR CRIMINALS), are being ensnared by THE UNTIRING
> ARM OF HISTORY.

Aha! It's denial of ones own ancestory that I think is the root-cause here.
Mr. Faust writes: "We have not gassed and do not gas people." 
What he actually writes: "Ich hab es nicht gewust."
Anyone heard that before? 

BTW: Mr. Faust: Dr. Josef Mengele has just been found not dead yet. When do
you plan on visiting him to rap 'bout the good ol' times? Maybe we could
visit you there and get rid of two shitflies in one go! (Danny Keren, got 
anything good to do the next couple of weeks? :-)

--Ralph Moonen

PS: Does the above imply that you claim to be Engelbert Humperdinck's son?
    Boy you must be more moronic than I thought! :-)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS *NOT* being denied "free speech"
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.150812.4038@fylz.wa.com> fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes) writes:

>>[why don't right wingers post a lot of stuff about their canidates?]

Phil informs us the answer is:

>That's because people for Buchanan don't know how to write and Bush's
>record as "the education president" shows that he doesn't want his
>supporters to learn to read.

This from the person who in Feb. 1989 said (with a straight face yet) that
the Sandinista human rights record was just as good as Norway's?

This from the person who believes in his heart that Breneke was "October
Suprising" Bush to Paris (in a SR-71 of all things) when all his credit
records say he was in Seattle the whole time?

No Phil, literacy has nothign to do with it. The answer is simple: we
don't need to. Free people and free markets are the wave of the future
and we don't need controled newsgroups and megabytes of wining all over
the net to make it happen.

  Allen
-- 
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|          wise men and a virgin in the whole organization                  |
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: States, Courts Clamor For Euthanasia Solution
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 06:37:05 GMT

For further information see:

Author:        King, Dennis.
Title:         Lyndon LaRouche and the new American fascism / Dennis King. 1st
                 ed. New York : Doubleday, 1989.
Description:   xv, 415 p., [8] p. of plates : ill. ; 25 cm.

Notes:         Includes index.
               Bibliography: p. [379]-397.

Subjects:      LaRouche, Lyndon H. -- Political and social views.
               Politicians -- United States -- Biography.
               Fascism -- United States.
               United States -- Politics and government -- 1981-

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From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:51:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: drutx.15187

In article <167C3CFD6.KENH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, KENH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ken Hudson) writes:
} Yeah...can you believe the integrity of this one!!!!  He votes to
} uphold a case that CLEARLY should not have been upheld only to APPEAR
} to the world that he is anti-pornography, etc...
} ...

That's not what happened.

} Anyone for an "Impeach Thomas" movement?

Why?  He voted to throw the case out.
--
David Olson ...!att!druwa!dlo
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they
can bribe the people with their own money."  Alexis de Tocqueville
From: bpharmon@b-cpu.UUCP (Brian Harmon)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: .sig file
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 09:43:56 PDT
Organization: Banished CPU, +1(503) 232-6566

  Hello all you people in Netland!
I talked to Maynard about changing the .sig file line that many of you 
found objectionable, but he wouldn't go for it......sorry folks, looks 
like "saying please" didn't do any good either....


        Brian Harmon
        replies to bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu please.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mece3d@jane.uh.edu (Chris Struble)
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS being denied "free speech"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:10:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.060221.6581@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes...
> 
>In a post on this thread, David Emami suggests that if I want to hear
>Larry Agran , et. al. I should go do it. He does not appear to think
>that the fact that some other people have quasi-monopolisitc control
>over the most effecient menas of mass communication places any
>responsibility on them to assist in disseminating the views of
>someone like Agran. He mentions "compulsion" which I did not
>advocate (although I wouldn't necessarily rule it out - my mind
>is not made up on that point).
> 
>In typical libertarian fashion, he seems to be saying that
>if the laws of property allow a certain behavior, it must be
>OK. That is nonsense. When a relatively small number of people
>are able under whatever pretext to determine who is or is not 
>able to reach large numbers of people with a political message,
>then a key assumption necessary for the success of a democratic
>republic has failed. To be a party to the establishment or 
>perpetuation of this condition is in fact treason. The fact
>that law, custom, and libertarian principles all allow such
>treason does not alter this.
> 
>-Steve

  Do you honestly think that Libertarians are pleased by the current
state of affairs? We'd love to have third party candidates (including
ours) get more air time, but most of us recognize that we have no 
right to FORCE the media to give it to us. We (and you) have every 
right to complain about our limited coverage, just as those in the media
have every right to ignore us. There cannot exist a "right to free air
time", (i.e., the right to force others to provide you with it at their
own expense). The fact that this works against our movement at the present
time is no excuse for deviation from a fundamental principle like this.

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|  Christian Struble	   |  To shield people from the consequences   |
|  Mechanical Engineering  |  of their own folly is to fill the	       | 
|  University of Houston   |  world with fools  		       |	
|  mece3d@jetson.uh.edu	   |    	Herbert Spencer		       |	
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From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: How Many Died?
Summary: How many Jews were murdered by the Nazis?
Keywords: Holocaust B-CPU Final Solution
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:58:55 GMT


According to Gerald Fleming's book "Hitler and the Final Solution",
which required an immense amount of research, here are the Jewish
Casualties Due to the Final Solution.  (A footnote says: "It is
impossible to establish a definitive, absolutely accurate total of
victims. One can only say with certainty that the figure reaches the
five million mark." At another point, Fleming also notes: "The precise
count of those murdered at the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp alone cannot be
given with complete, attestable certainty, for the Jews "cleared"
(_abgeschafft_) from occupied Europe and deported to Auschwitz for
liquidation were brought immediately "into the gas," without any prior
registration in the camp index files. Reitlinger's [author of The Final
Solution, 1971] figure for Auschwitz--700,000 gassed--is undoubtedly too
low."

German Reich (boundaries of 1938)	130,000
Austria					 58,000
Belgium					 26,000
Bulgaria				  7,000
Czechoslovakia (boundaries of 1938)	245,000
France					 64,000
Greece					 58,000
Hungary & Carpatho-Ukraine		300,000
Italy					  8,000
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia		200,000
Luxembourg				  3,000
Netherlands				101,800
Norway					    677
Poland (boundaries of 1939)	      2,700,000
Romania (boundaries prior to 1940)	220,000
USSR (boundaries prior to 1939)		800,000
Yugoslavia				 54,000
					-------
				      4,975,477

Well, according to Fleming, 6 million Jews weren't killed by the
Nazis -- only 5 million.  But, of course, as the IHR will tell us, these
figures are all lies: no Jews were gassed, no Jews were lined up in the
woods outside Riga and gunned down by SS troops.  Reichskommissar for
the Ukraine Eric Koch didn't clear 175,000 acres of the Zuman district
to establish a private hunting reserve, shooting down hundreds of
villagers because it was impossible to "resettle" them.
SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Franke-Gricksch never wrote a report entitled
"Resettlement of the Jews" describing the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz,
and their subsequent burning in the crematoria. (Hey, Ralph!,
Franke-Gricksch says the capacity of the ovens is 10,000 in twenty-four
hours.)

Incidentally, Fleming pretty thoroughly demolishes Irving's thesis that
Hitler wasn't aware of the Final Solution; according to Fleming, Hitler
certainly ordered Himmler to carry out the extermination of the Jews and
then insisted on what American presidents call "deniability" so that the
shining image of the Chancellor would not be smudged.

The boys at B-CPU are going to be scrubbing at that tarnish for a long
time and old Adolph ain't never going to shine again.

--Jeff Frane

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