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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: The music and the drug are separate things!!!
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:22:53 GMT

In article <oivindi.2@dhhalden.no> oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO) writes:
>
>If it's true that 80% of the people at raves are tripping, well, then I know
>why 90% of all Techno music sucks. I recently received a tape from a DJ-
>friend in England, and I'm seriously starting to think that Techno WILL kill 
>itself if it doesn't become more creative than it is today.
>
>You say that "the music just happens to enhance the chemical experience". 
>Does this mean that the drugs come first, and the music second? If yes, my 
>argument concerning shitty Techno is supported quite well.
>
>As I understand it, drugs reduce (remove) your critical senses quite a bit. 
>Which means that (80% of the) people at a rave probably can't differ one 
>tune from another (depending on how tripped out they are, of course).
>
>The question is therefore, how do tripping people know a GOOD tune from a 
>BAD tune?

sometimes i ask myself why people read certain newsgroups...
but then i figure why waste the time?

i really dont understand what you are into if it is not the music
or the drugs, with most people i know it has to be one or the
other, well everyone i know, and most people like both

there is a LOT of techno that sucks, but there is a LOT of 
techno that is great, 
of course i think that good techno made by the artist and 
good techno made by a dj are seperate things
i think a lot of techno needs to be in the hands of a good
dj to sound incredible, and listening to the song on its own
just is a waste

as far as the drugs go...
well LSD tends to cause audial hallucinations
and to someone who is tripping like that
good techno would be somethign that helps
them in this, and bad techno would be 
something that causes the hallucinated
sound to be bad/painful


--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 01:03:55 -0400 
From: Brandon Chin <bc27+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Song ID Time...

Excerpts from netnews.alt.rave: 2-Sep-92 Song ID Time... by David
Mann@hamby.tx.ncsu 
>OK, sorry about this guys, but i can't find the name/group that does the
>song with the sweepy synths and _cat meows_ (of all things) over the
>synths.  (All i know is that it's not Dee-Lite)  Can anyone help?

Sounds like Charly by The Prodigy to me.  Should be relatively easy to find...

_bj_

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: lakata@cco.caltech.edu (Mark T. Lakata)
Subject: Re: James MARS ... is dead.
Keywords: MARS  103.1 FM
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:36:17 GMT

earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:

>He said that the woman who had been hired from some easy-listening MOR
>station - and who had been the person to originally completely banish Techno
>from the station, until massive protests brought it back - has, once again,
>decided to not only banish Techno, but to completely change the format of
>the station to "soft Jazz", as Don put it.

>The transition is already taking place, albeit subtly, he said.  For one,
>the DJ's no longer say "103.1, MARS FM" - now it's just "103.1 FM".  No "MARS".

I was sad that I had to move out of the LA area and wouldn't be able to get
MARS anymore.... now I have a question?

How do I remove the bumper sticker off my car?

-Mark
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: raves in LA
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:39:16 GMT

in response to whoever aksed about San Diego/LA Raves

there is ALWAYS something good going down in San Diego
and you can call 213 957 2288
for any info on LA raves
they tend not to be the really big humoungous raves
but more like small personal intimate gatherings
its kinda nice if you are into that thang


--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
From: sbranson@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Orbital)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: New Ambiant
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:29:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I was told of two new bands that are of Orb calibre, and I was
wondering if they were worth getting:

1) Blue Pearl: they are on WAU!/Big Life, the same label as the Orb.
They have two 12"s, one normal release and one with Orb remixes

2) Irresistable Force: Don't know much, just heard the name

If anyone has these, or has heard them, please write and tell me
what you think. Also, other ambient recommendations are welcome. 
Thanks in advance.

Steve
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: L.S.D. (new on CD, good 4 sampling, etc...)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:55:33 GMT

Never before released, it is now available on the recently released ('92)
2 CD set  "The Yardbirds - Little Games Sessions & More"
 
The song _L.S.D._. was originally recorded in 1966. It lasts only one
minute, but has a very techno feel--would make a great back beat and will
undoubtedly find it's way onto a remix someday. A little tempo adjustment,
and it's happening! No sh*it!
 
Yes, the band that brought you the "rave-up" in '63 now brings you this gem.
;-)
 
(You heard it here first!)
 
--Eric
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu   >...It has a REAL TECHNO style, in the tradition
WSU Detroit, Michigan      >of the old(er) Detroit techno. --Wilco Boumans
From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (California Here I Come)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: LSD
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:30:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: We Take What We Want, Inc.

Just to give you a personal opinion and experience:

When I was on LSD, I was standing on the roofdeck of my 5-story apartment
building, and I swore that it was all one continous surface, from the edge
of the deck to the ground below. I had no thoughts of "flying" or "jumping"
because I knew better. But.... LSD does interferre with your perception of
surfaces. This is A> why it's so much fun and B> why it's dangerous. 
end of story.
  - John
From: ccsteve@cybaswan.UUCP (s marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Spiral Tribe EP II
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:14:59 GMT
Reply-To: ccsteve@pyr.swan.ac.uk (s marshall)
Distribution: alt

I managed recently to get hold of the Spiral Tribe Breach the Peace EP. I
think someone gave a brief review of it previously. The bloke in the shop
told me that there is another EP due out in a couple of weeks. So if you
enjoyed the first one, look out for this. I guess this is the UK release,
so I'll try to post a brief review when I get hold of it so all you non-brits
know what to look forward to. 

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|Steve Marshall         |                                                      |
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Mixing/DJ'ing
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:08:22 GMT

mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:

>Daniel DuBois says:

>>Well... how about this... I buy all these vinyl records for my new
>>DJ equipment... but I cant listen to my music in the car now... or bring
>>it with me on a picnic... portable CD players are nice, I have one...

>Um, being into dance music (as are most people here, I assume!), I discovered
>a long time ago that if you have a halfway decent turntable and cassette
>deck, it is economical, fun, and often necessary to buy what you want (and
>often can only get) on vinyl and MAKE YOUR OWN TAPES. 

This started being a pain in the ass for me when the rate of purchasing CDs
surpassed the rate of making tapes of them.  Not only that, but you've got the
old "Well, this is a 75 minute CD and I've got this 90 minute tape" so you've
got to squish and fit a CD onto there.  Life has been much simpler since I got
the portable CD player for the car.  I've started recording over my old tapes
and giving them away.
-- 
			  orb be in u, orb be out u

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: danm@watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe)
Subject: Re: The Orb
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 15:28:20 GMT
Reply-To: danm@grumpy.watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Research


In article <37519@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, sbranson@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Orbital) writes:
|> Also, I recently purchased the Orb Ultraworld Double CD.
|> Steve 

How does the Ultraworld Double CD differ from Adventures Beyond ... ?
Longer/different mixes? More songs? Or just a repackaging?

Cheers,
danm
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: LSD
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:05 GMT

i REALLY REALLY REALLY second the idea of reading 
Albert Hofmann's book _Problem Child_
i am in the middle of reading it right now and 
it explains all the myths of LSD, (well most of them)

and just to note a few:

lsd _IS_ toxic, although it has never been shown to cause a 
human death, it was found to be toxic in mice, rats, rabbits, and one elephant
it took about 50 mg/kg of mouse to kill it and .3 grams
was given to a 5,000 kg elephant and it died leading to a 
toxicity of .06 milligams of LSD per kiligram of elephant

OF course the average dose on a tab is supposed to be 100 micrograms
so if i had the same toxicity as the one elephant, i would need
3,600 micrograms or 36 hits... its more likely that human
toxicity is in the range of 600 micrograms/kg or 6 hits/kg
so dont drop several sheets of acid and dont worry about it

ALSO, someone has commited suicide and it was definitely linked to
LSD, a doctor was given LSD without his knowledge by the army and he
reacted by jumping out of his office window
another doctor was slipped LSD and tried to swim across
a lake that was -20 C and had to be forcibly stopped

dont dose people without their knowledge

other people have dosed intentionally and then thought that they could fly
or thought that the car heading down the street really couldnt
hurt them, and many other stupid things

dont dose alone

there was strychnine found by Sandoz (the company that first made LSD)
in black market samples of the drug, but other studies have not
found it... dont know what person would waste money on strychnine
when they can just sell you blank paper

dont get drugs from people you dont know


all this has been taken from Albert Hofmann's book and there is much more
valuable info... dont dose until you read it
--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf))
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Mixing/DJ'ing
Date: 27 Aug 1992 08:16:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

***WARNING:  THIS ALT.RAVE POST HAS A TECHNO MUSIC SUBJECT***


In article <0+cnd0f@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:
>
>> So your only problem that I can see is that you spent all your money on
>> those CDs and now you want to dj with them but you can't pitch change. 
>> Oh well, lesson learned. 
>
>In the larger scheme of things buying a dual-deck Denon DJ CD player like
>Pete's doesn't cost a hell of a lot more than a pair of 1200s. 

Er, um... I got my 1200's used for $600 for the pair;  I haven't seen any
used dual-CD players like Pete's for sale, and the lowest I've seen them
for is around $1000 (and I'd still rather wait until I got CD players with
a jog-shuttle wheel that moves the disc as if you were manipulating vinyl -
more moolah).  HOWEVER, I did get a fantastic deal on a pitch-controllable
CD player, the Denon 660 which was recently discontinued.  I got a floor
model from the Good Guys for $115, and I'm sure several other stores would
have one or so in the back room.  Big plus: +- 10%, incrementable by .1%.
Big minus - lousy search (jumps of 10 seconds either way).  But for mixing,
if you get a feel for it,  it can turn out not bad.

>Don't get
>me wrong . . . my collection is split about 50/50 vinyl vs. CD, and I
>don't plan to stop buying LPs and 12"s until they're completely
>unavailable or I die, whichever comes first.  But DJing with CDs today
>isn't anywhere near as tough as it was five years ago.

Yes, I recently ran into the quandry when buying the recent 808 single...
should I pay a dollar more and get it on CD?  I opted for CD because 808
always has a SOUND that I want to be able to hear clearly, cleanly, and
far into the future, and I didn't forsee having to mix too much with it.

	Brian
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: LSD
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:00:24 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug28.173646.20858@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>In <2A9E5325.9583@orion.oac.uci.edu> dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe) writes:
>>other people have dosed intentionally and then thought that they could fly
>>or thought that the car heading down the street really couldnt
>>hurt them, and many other stupid things
>
>This is yet ANOTHER case of urban mythological misinformation.  Unless you
>KNOW someone directly who did this, don't claim it's true.  A poll was taken
>some time ago in alt.drugs, and I believe the results were that no one knew
>anyone first hand who had done any of these things--they had only heard the
>friend of a friend stories.

look, im just quoting ALbert Hofmann, as i said i was.
and if you want to trust anyone in the whole goddam world
when talking about LSD, he has to be the person
he invented it, whether or not he knows what he is talking about
i dont know, but he did a pretty good job of convincing me that he does

although he didnt document any specific cases for that, he did mention
that it happened, doesnt mean it happens alot, doesnt mean it happened
more than once, but chances are somewhere soemtime it happened

and who cares? the whole point is, dont be stupid and dose
without a safety net of someone aroudn if you are taking 
enough that will convince you that you can fly
(and i believe that enough of it could)


--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Faves for Raves
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:28:37 GMT
Organization: WeasElectro Productions: Television/Movies/Comics

schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar) writes:

[About The Orb:]

> Well, well, well. Thats what I thought too. Then I went to buy the CD
> and what I found was a Mike Oldfield reincarnation(!) but with less
> bass. 

You've never even listened to Mike Oldfield, have you?

(Less bass?)

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"Maggots!  Maggots!  The maggots are falling like rain!"
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Re: LSD The facts!
Organization: Friends of Tank Girl
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:16:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.223755.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> edd709psft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>Evidently there is a freaked out raver wandering around Melbourne who has
>fried his brains from too much drug use (Love Doctor I THINK his name is!)
>and has produced a three page document detailing the hazards of LSD usage.

Yes, if you want accurate pharmacological information, who better to 
turn to than freaked-out pamphleteers named Love Doctor?

>Well that was about half of the document. If anyone wishes the full version
>please mail me and I s'pose I can type all of it out for you. 

I think I can wait for the paperback version.
 
>Even though a lot of you out there may know most of these facts I thought
>I'd post it anyway. I'd appreciate any comments because I think it's 
>important for the ravers of the world to atleast come to terms with what
>they are doing. (LSD and Ecstacy taking ravers that is - some people just
>like the music!)

Hey, neXus, I think you mean well. But do yourself a favor and go to the 
library for some fairly impartial information before worrying about "facts"
you pick up on the street. There's so much bunk in the stuff you posted 
that I wouldn't even know where to begin to start debunking.

Think: what are this guy's motives in giving you this information? What
are anyone's motives in promoting anti-drug hysteria? What are your own
reasons for taking drugs? Where can you find a wide range of information
sources so as to hear from both ends of the bias spectrum and make your
own informed choices?

-- 
| Randy Jones           | \B/
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  | RXE
| 608 259 0311          | /O\
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: GIFs of alt.ravers?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:07:12 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

This may be a wacky idea, but if someone has access to a high quality
scanner, everyone who's interested could send that person a picture of
themselves.  The pictures could be made available as GIFs on the archive
site or something.  A photo album of net personalities could be
maintained.  Or is that a dumb idea?

Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO)
Subject: Model 500 again...
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:33:58 GMT

Hellooo.

It is now clear that Model 500 (Juan Atkins) has signed to an underlabel of 
R&S Records called APOLLO. However, he hasn't released anything yet, but I'm 
eagerly awaiting his superb electronic magic.

The APOLLO label will take care of R&S' ambient material, and has so far had 
three releases. I only remember one of these; the "Microgravity" CD from our 
own (he's Norwegian) BIOSPHERE.

There are some excellent innovative ambient tracks on this album, and it's 
highly recommended listening!

Oivind (oivindi@sofus.dhhalden.no)

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Subject: Re: Some KLF musings n' stuff
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:28:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.151705.10261@javelin.sim.es.com>, pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
> 
> I threw on "It's Grim Up North" last night whilst cleaning house.  Damn.  I
> want the "Black Room" and I want it now.  I don't care if it is half-finished,
> not at all started, or if they only did the cover art, I want anything else
> they did like this.  "North" was really wonderful.

As far as I understand "The Black Room" sounds nothing like "It's Grim Up 
North", but more like the Christmas version of "3am Eternal" (sort of slow
thrash metal).

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
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From: dedos3@wsinfo11.info.win.tue.nl (Wilco Boumans)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Question: is MAX 404's recycler EP available in England
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:14:37 GMT
Reply-To: dedos3@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands


The subject says it all.  I believe the record is reviewed in last weeks NME.
I've planned to spend a weekend London somewhere soon, and would like the
addresses of some record stores where they sell records like this.

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Mixing/DJ'ing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:30:21 GMT

Daniel DuBois says:

>Well... how about this... I buy all these vinyl records for my new
>DJ equipment... but I cant listen to my music in the car now... or bring
>it with me on a picnic... portable CD players are nice, I have one...
>I also have about 200 CDs, half of em hip house..  Id like to think
>it would make a good base to start from for buying music.. I want to DJ
>becuz I love the music, vinly does that part of my person no good.
>
>-Dan

Um, being into dance music (as are most people here, I assume!), I discovered
a long time ago that if you have a halfway decent turntable and cassette
deck, it is economical, fun, and often necessary to buy what you want (and
often can only get) on vinyl and MAKE YOUR OWN TAPES. 
Advantages to doing this?
1. Value.  If you look you can find good type II tapes for $2.00-$2.50 each.
   You can buy vinyl and a blank tape for less than or equal to the cost of
   the same thing on CD.
2. Collectibility.  Just because the mall stores don't carry it doesn't mean
   it is obsolete.  Vinyl will continue to be far more valuable as a dj tool
   long after CD's become obsolete (and they will, believe me).  It's nice to
   have vinyl in your collection... sets you apart from the people
   brainwashed into thinking cassettes are the way to go ... oops, now it's
   cd's... oops, next its ... <and it goes on>.
3. Fun.  Call me crazy, but I love making tapes.  And you can come up with
   much better compilations on your own than what you could buy, wouldn't you
   say?  You know what you would like to hear in your car/ walkman/ boom box
   best.
4. If you buy vinyl and tape it, you can just play your tapes most of the
   time and thus your vinyl will remain noise-free (just in case you were
   about to complain about the sound quality).  If your turntable and tape
   deck are of good quality, your tapes will sound as good as tapes made off
   of CDs.  I routinely buy 12" singles and tape them on TDK SA-90s with
   Dolby C, using a Sony or Technics deck and a Denon turntable with a high
   quality cartridge.  The cartridge isn't that important - you can get dj
   ones at Radio Shack really cheap and they will sound as good, but those
   require much more weight on the needle than I am comfortable with.
   I play my tapes in my car, walkman, and boombox at work.  So your only
   problem that I can see is that you spent all your money on those CDs
   and now you want to dj with them but you can't pitch change.  Oh well,
   lesson learned.  I face that dilemma every time I choose a CD5 over a
   12", which I do a lot more often than I should.  If I decided to start
   dj-ing I would be up a creek...  <not being sarcastic>

My opinion.  Mike.
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."