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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:16:14 EDT
From: <PBK105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic Songs Discussion list

i been reading your list and although i'm a novice at the net work thing i'm go
ing to try to make a contribution.
i don't believe i saw a type 6.
      -- love lost and then re-won.
two songs from the beatles come to mind--long,long,long and i will.

well i hope this gets where its going---- PEACE
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ouwendyk@prso.pttnwb.nl (A.P.J. Ouwendijk)
Subject: Re: =)
Organization: PTT Telecom b.v. The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:25:34 GMT

In article <Bu3Dq2.A8u@wpi.WPI.EDU>, gryphon@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Emotional Yo Yo) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep4.134130.7973@news.ysu.edu> ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott) writes:
|> >
|> >It's friday......
|> >
|> >
|> >                        ............I'm in love.
|> 
|> It's Saturday......
|> 
|> 
|>                          ............so am I.
|> 
|> 
|> Problem is, she isn't.
|> 
|> Bother.
|> 

It's monday......

			    ............another week of working


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From: werpetin@gnu.ai.mit.edu (K.S. Werpetinski)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Proposal
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: werpetin@gnu.ai.mit.edu (K.S. Werpetinski)
Organization: I'm *not* organized...that's the problem
Originator: werpetin@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Is this romantic or what? ...

There they sit, doing a jigsaw puzzle of a Victorian wedding scene,
they are almost finished, but one piece is missing, he gets down on
the floor and looks for the puzzle piece, he claims to have found it,
gets up on bended knee, says mushy stuff about them being two pieces
that fit together so well etc, gives her the ring, asks her to marry
him, she says yes, they put the last puzzle piece in together.

I'm engaged! *beam*

Katrina

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Who: Katrina Werpetinski		Where: werpetin@gnu.ai.mit.edu
       (but what's in a name)		       werpetin@umaecs.BITNET
 What: Anything I can get away with	  Why: Because I like to
 When: Anytime they turn their backs	  How: That's for me to know...
From: beh@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bruce Howells)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re:Meeting your SO through the computer...Anyone else?
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:26:27 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Internet access via the Free Software Foundation


Answer to petitc@rpi.edu:

Some people don't fall in love with what the person looks like.
Thank God.

--Nancy Howells
beh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (through the good graces of my husband)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: SO met through the computer. Anyone else ?
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:12:46 GMT

In article <BuL0t9.7yJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes:
>But what I REALLY intended to say:  People who meet and sustain
>their relationship on a computer generally know each other more
>thoroughly than "regular" folks; at least, they reach that level
>of mutual knowledge FASTER than others...

But it is a very intellectual, limited kind of communication in some
ways.  When people talk to you on the computer, usually they concentrate
on what is being said, and don't get distracted, and have a long time
to think about what to say next.  Plus, emotions do not have to be 
communicated.

It's funny...there are women I like in real life, but we can't talk
over the computer well at all.  Then there are the women who seem
perfect over the computer, but become less so in real life.

Of course, there are also women who seem great on the computer
_and_ in real life :)

>Who else do you know who would talk to their RP for almost as
>much time as they spend sleeping?  (Sometimes sacrificing the 
>latter to allow for more of the former!)

I dunno...I've stayed up nights just talking with RPs before
(vocally).

>I've always found it easier to phrase something difficult or
>bring up an "unusual" topic (*grin*) over the computer than in
>Real Life.  Ask Billy what we talked about that first week...

Definately!  It's much easier to type "ya know that last story on
a.s.b?  sounds fun, eh ;)"

-Thomas
 resdient technoshaman


Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:40:27 GMT
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division

In article 18qbciINN5r3@sixgun.East.Sun.COM, tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.) writes:
>
>I really don't think that "nice guys" are out in the cold.  Women could
>ask the same of men.  Why is it that they only "go after" bubble headed
>beach blondes with a figure that just won't quit (and nothing in that
>head but a bunch of peroxide)?  I really feel as if it is all in the
>perception.  You obviously haven't meet any of the right people for you
>hence, the feelings you are experiencing now.  Don't give up, there are
>people (of both sexes) who are asking these same questions and doing
>something about it.
>
>
>Tammy


Is there room in that freezer for another Nice Guy (TM) ?   :-)


Bob

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From: sharon@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Sharon Curtis)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: SO met through the computer. Anyone else ?
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:12:45 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: sharon@client21.comlab

In a previous article:
>               Is there anyone else out there who met his/her SO through the
>       computer ? It would be fun to hear similar cases.

I met my SO that way.
We were both logging into a sort-of computer chatline, where people use
pseudonyms, and then one guy started saying really nasty things to me,
and my first contact with my now-SO was him mailing me offering to find
out who was being nasty to me and making sure he didn't do it again.
My now-SO fixed it too! I never heard from the nasty guy again - sorta
reminds me of a knight in shining armour - I think it's rather romantic
to be a damsel in distress and rescued!

Anyway we got to exchanging emails, and eventually swapped phone numbers
and when we talked to each other on the phone, we just clicked!

Long live romance!


Incidentally my fella is lovely, and I like doing romantic things for him,
but I'm running out of ideas - what do you guys out there find really
romantic for a girlfriend to do to/for you?

Thanks,

Sharon
From: HOPELESS@news.duke.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Romance...
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:34:16 GMT
Followup-To: jafarr@acpub.duke.edu

Romance is dead.

At least it is on this college campus.  Three years have gone by without being
able to even begin to develop a relationship.  Three years!  Not for lack of
trying.  I fumble my way around fraternity parties (virtually the only social
life here), enduring the hard stares of the "brothers" who, for the most part,
only see me someone who might prevent one of the brothers from hooking up.  I go
to my friends' parties, I throw parties, I become a secret admirer, I've been
secretly admired, I talk the keg talk, I talk my talk, I try to be me, I try to be
someone else, I try asking out women in my classes, I go to "screw-your-roommate 
parties", I go out with my friends, I go out with friends of friends, I go out 
with enemies of my friends, I try to be myself, I try to be different, I try to
be the same, I try and try and try and...

And I'm tired of it.  I've tried everything.  Nothing works.  I'm a very romantic
guy.  I like to think I'm sensitive.  I'm not that ugly, am I?  (Don't answer
that, please.)

I give up.  I never thought I would, but I finally have.  I'm sorry if I'm letting
down people who are fighting to keep romance alive, but I'm just sick and 
tired of being sick and tired of it.  It's better if I just accept it and move
on.  

I hereby resign as a hopeless romantic.  I'm now just "hopeless".

Jeff

P.S.  Sorry to bring everybody down.  I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid that
I will never be able to believe that romance is alive again.
P.P.S.  No, I did not just break up with anyone.
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  LDR, RELIGION..
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:31:09
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Sep15.044009.4504@csi.uottawa.ca>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: misrael@csi.uottawa.ca's message of 15 Sep 92 04:40:09 GMT

On 15 Sep 92 04:40:09 GMT, misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) said:
>> Is there any alt.religion nets that I could go to? 

>    Try soc.culture.jewish.

Alas, he won't get any sympathy there. The majority there are of the Orthodox
variety, which are completely against intermarriage.

Although I can sympathize with his situation, it is a road fraught with
danger. Ignore the parents for the moment (most of us do, anyway). Unless both
parties are areligious, it can serve to doom the relationship. Consider:

	*) What do you do on the *big* holidays: Christmas vs. Hanukkah,
	   Pesach vs. Easter, etc. Our year-cycle events are very inbred in us
	   from our upbringing; either side giving it up will cause friction.

	*) Children. What'cha gonna raise them as. You need to raise them as
	   something, to give them a moral background. If you choose one, you
	   alienate the other partner. If you choose neither, you confuse the
	   kid with two sets of holidays.

A lot has to do with the depth of belief, also. Is the Jewish lady from a
traditional (Orthodox) or liberal (Reform) background? Is the fellow from a
Catholic or fundamentalist Christian background, or are they effectively a
secular Christian. Would one be willing to convert?

Now, bring in the parents, and you add extra stress to the marriage, which if
it can be avoided, is nice. 

Intermarriages can be done, and they can be successful. I'm going to one next
week. But before the marriage is formalized, both parties should carefully
consider the issues. I suggest they each try going to the other's ceremonies,
as a start.

Daniel
(Moderator, Liberal Judaism Mailing List)




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From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: SO met through the computer. Anyone else ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:05:54 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	I also met my SO through the computer. IRC (Internet Relay Chat ) to be
 specific.  We have both gone to visit each other, and are deeply in love.
	As far as spending too much time talking on the computer, it is hard 
 but sometimes you just gotta say "Talk to you later".  Also, my SO lives in
 Wisconsin and I live in New Jersey, so the computer is the most economical way
 for us to talk.

		Just thought I would share,
					Mac.

-- 
         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: gryphon@wpi.WPI.EDU (M-5)
Subject: When Magic Dies
Organization: RecursionCo.: We'll do it again and again and again and again a
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:58:37 GMT

Here's a little something I wrote a little while ago.  Feel free to copy/
distribute/whatever it, as long as you keep the title bar and my name with 
it, don't charge for it, and don't change it...

Enjoy...


---cut here---

The novice wizard casting his first spell
Feeling the Power at his fingertips
The first faint hintings of the Power in his mind
For the very first time
Must have felt as I did then;
Exhilarated
Terrified
Joyous
Confident
Powerful
Small
Huge
All at once
Because it's such a powerful thing
When magic lives.

The novice wizard, his concentration broken
Feeling the Power slip from his fingers
The feeling in his mind whispering to nothingness
Until he is alone
Must have felt as I do now;
Empty
Bitter
Powerless
Useless
Tear-verging
Relieved
Disappointed
All at once
Because it's such a powerful thing
When magic dies.
	--"When Magic Dies", 27 August 1992
	  Benjamin D. Hutchins  (c) 1992

--G.

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Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:11:41 -0400 
From: "Pamela J. Bernhardt" <pb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Romantic Songs

Wow,  I don't read for a while and look.
For LJBF...
I'm not saying a word - from Blood Brothers

"If I could stand inside his shoes I'd say
How could I compare thee to a summer's day
I'd take a page in all the papers
And announce it on the news
If I were the guy if I were in his shoes..."
 
Romantic
Unexpected song - Song and Dance
"This is not like me at all,
 I  never thought I'd know, 
the kind of love you've shown me.
Now no matter where I am
No matter what I do
I see your face appearing.
Like an unexpected song, an unexpected song
That only we are hearing.

Music of the Night - From Phantom of the Opera
A love song that never says the word Love in it.

When I see you smile, - Bad English

For fights
Total Eclipse of the Heart

That's my contribution

Pam
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Romantic Songs Discussion list
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:38:51 GMT


	Well, this thread is returning because I can't define romance as much
as anybody else can define love.  Plus, there are some really good new songs
out there.


	ROMANTIC SONGS DISCUSSION LIST:


		"I will remember you" Amy Grant  Been thinking about this one 
quite a lot recently.  Look at my other postings or followups of Re: Advice,
consensus sought to learn more.

		and some of the ones from last year:



		"Broken Arrow", Rod Stewart

		"Open Arms", Journey

		"Boys of Summer", Don Henley

	I could go on and on, but I want other people to contribute to this
list.  

	What would be nice are some guidelines for contributions to this list,
I suppose.

		Keep the same subject title, so people who know what they are 
looking for can find it.


		Name specific songs and artists, if you can't do both, at least
give the name of the song or some lyrics from it.  (Since computers have perfect
pitch, not being able to sing yourself is not a problem here.)


		Avoid generalizations.  While people will still say "anything by
Amy Grant," it might not help out other people who are looking for a specific
song that they heard on the radio that they want to know more about.


		I guess, if you wanted to be technical, all classical music
from the "Romantic period" is romantic, but I think another good guideline would
be whether the song actually has romantic lyrics in it.

		Good luck, other posters!  I am looking forward to your 
contributions!


			Kyle
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: charon@diana.cair.du.edu (Chuck)
Subject: Re: Friendship first: Good idea or lost cause???
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:19:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.221044.1918@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> robinsonm@clvax1.cl.msu.edu writes:
>   Now there seems to be a problem with this, at least as far as 
>my experience goes.  It seems to me that by the time you do 
>establish such a friendship, the woman does not want to go any 
>further for fear of destroying the friendship.  How can one get 
>around this?  Can one get around this?  Should I just walk up to 
>strange women and say "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?!?"

   You can't get aroud it.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: petitc@nuge107.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Definition:  Nice guys.
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:02:46 GMT

In article <00960A17.FAF9D140@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:

|> I thought every guy reading this group was a nice guy.  At least, we haven't
|> heard from any self-defined jerks.  Really now;  is there a guy in this world
|> that doesn't think he's nice?  I've never met a guy that didn't think he was
|> nice.  Is there a lone voice in the wilderness, willing to admit that, well,
|> maybe he (gasp!) _isn't_ nice?

 Hell will freeze over solid before you'll find someone admitting ANYTHING bad
about themselves.  People refuse to believe they are bad----even mass murderers
justify it to themselves within their own minds.

-- 
Trust:  A very precious social commodity, due both to high value and terrible
scarcity.
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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: gryphon@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Emotional Yo Yo)
Subject: Re: =)
Organization: Recursive Gravity Testing Ltd.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:22:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.134130.7973@news.ysu.edu> ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott) writes:
>
>It's friday......
>
>
>                        ............I'm in love.

It's Saturday......


                         ............so am I.


Problem is, she isn't.

Bother.

>-- 
>Irony is hygiene of the mind      --Elizabeth Bibesco

Nice .sig though.

--G.

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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Subject: Re: Who gets the longer stick, men or women? ;)
Summary: Bleah. :/
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:14 EST  

In article <15SEP199216013921@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes...
>In article <15SEP199209384654@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, aatresa@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline) writes...
>> 
>>Sounds like you *guys* are the ones in shortage.
> 
>Just the good ones, T. 
> 
>:-)
> 

Stephen, Stephen, Stephen.  How many times do I have to tell you?  The good 
ones aren't short.
:-)  :-)
-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: SO met through the computer. Anyone else ?
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:51:28 GMT

I've had an internet (actually, alt.romance to be precise) rendevous
with a very interesting techno/medievil woman w. long hair <sigh>.
Unfortunately, we only got to meet twice, as she dissapeared
off on a cross-country motorbike trip, and changed universities.  
Too bad...we definately had a fun time together.

You still out there somewhere Jennifer? ;)

-Thomas
 resident technoshaman
 

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: It hurts like hell
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:50:27 GMT

In article <Bu24HB.I7K@cs.psu.edu> so@cobol.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C So) writes:
>It hurts like hell!
>
>For the last couple of days I've not been able to do any useful working,
>all because of a relationship which has been over for some time.  I talked
>and talked with friends trying to relieve the pain that's hurting me deep
>inside my heart.  My friends keep telling me that it's over, and I should
>just move forward.  "Yes, I know," I said, "but the pain is very real."

I've been similarly dealing with a breakup...many months ago now.
When you really become close to someone, and something changes, and
suddenly you have different persepctives, and the relationship falls
apart, it is not only immediately disturbing, but can keep reverberating
in your mind for a long, long time.

One has to remember that mourning is a neccessary process.  The longer
one puts it off, the longer one will be in pain.  Writing, like to
this newsgroup, helps alot.  

There are no easy answers to this.  I am only just beginning to
understand that the person I loved so much one year ago, my then
soulmate, is now a totally different person.  And yes, it is very
lonely when you think about how close you were to something wonderful,
and then it is slipped out from under you.  

All I can say is that when you loose a soulmate, concentrate on loving
your other soulmate, yourself!  

And, oh yeah, good lovign friends help alot also!  Hopefully they'll have
alot of patience with you :)

-Thomas
 resdient technoshaman
From: eyc@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ed Carter)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic Songs Discussion list
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:35:35 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

In article <1992Sep8.205324@cs.bham.ac.uk>, eyc@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ed Carter) writes:
|> 
|> From what else I've read here, it seems that a useful social
|> function could be served by starting a LJBF Songs Discussion
|> List for people to listen to when utterly miserable. Either
|> to cheer themselves up or, of course, to wallow in self pity.

Arrogant as it may be to reply to my own posting, I feel that I
should at least contribute tuppen'orth.

Obscure, I know, but:

"Why do you have to go out with him when you could go out with me?"
	by the Brilliant Corners

says it all.