From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Now, Mr. Ozguven, Really Explain Yourself
Summary: Public Accusations -> "the blood your organization continues to spill"
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:54:30 GMT

In article <kutluk.728009263@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk 
Ozguven) wrote in repsonse to article <1993Jan22.135607.11375@urartu.sdpa.org> 
dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) who noted: 

[DD] It is almost not worth another refutation of such creative demographics,

[KO] Then you shouldn't have  carefully removed the conflict between the 2
[KO] million and the 1,5 million. You see 500,000 human beings may not be
[KO] important for Armenian extremism, it is for the rest of us. Such
[KO] floating point carelessness is a sign of the strength of Armenian side of
[KO] the disagreement.

If you wish to discuss the demographics of Armenians in Turkey just before the
genocide was executed, indicate below.

Ckeck one:

[ ] I, Mr. Ozguven, wish to made a fool of in public.

[ ] I, Mr. Ozguven will hide once again from history. 

[DD] however, I will respond by asking you to translate into English (since you
[DD] are in England) 

[KO] Should we laugh at this poor and rather primitive joke ? When will
[KO] your sense of humour  match your lust for unscholarly quotations ?  

This is no joke, especially when the translation of:

 	_Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Kirimi_, by Taner Akcam, 1992, Germany

in English is, _The Turkish Self-Image and the Slaughter of the Armenians_ 

[DD] You see Kutluk, my Turkish is quite poor, but you -- who has the courage 
[DD] to revise the history of the Armenian people in front of thousands who 
[DD] read your crap -- should be man enough to translate this simple title into
[DD] proper English so the rest of us will not get the wrong impression of you!

My Turkish just improved enough to translate what you refer to as:

[KO] I don't have as high an opinion for my *articles* as you do, thousands
[KO] is beyond my imagination. After all, my original intention was to
[KO] point out the incoherence, and ridicule the weak arguments of the
[KO] meaningless Davidian production. I have achieved that. "Man enough" ? 
[KO] I have, I am afraid, no intention to translate some Marxist
[KO] anti-Turkish documents on a laughable call for macho-fight; if I had 
[KO] sufficient time for trans-Caucasus I would go and write more about 
[KO] the blood your organization continues to spill.

Oh, so the Turkish author, Taner Akcan, is both a Marxist and anti-Turkish! Oh,
I see. You know such an argument is non-sequitur. 

And another thing, what is "the blood your organization continues to spill"
supossed to mean?

Do I have to write to the Turkish government and the FBI (CIA this time because
you are in England not in the US, where I am) regarding your libelous and
false accusation? I did this once before with the Mutlu incident.

I demand you clarify your above statement, ASAP !!!

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