From: sher@.umd.edu (C. Allen Sher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Black list and etc.
Summary: They are ROC citizens!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:02:01 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Center for Automation Research, Coll. Pk., MD 20742



	Regarding the "black list" issue...


In article <62026@mimsy.umd.edu>, I said:

	On the contrary, I do not agree with the idea that
	if someone is "believed" to be a terrorist (whatever that means),
	she/he should be barred from returning her/his home country.
	The issue is NOT what line of thinking she/he takes
	or what actions she/he might have taken,
	the issue is whether that person is a CITIZEN of that nation or not!
	If she/he is a citizen or national of a country,
	she/he should never be barred from returning to that country.
	This is in accordance with the idea of "the liberty to travel"
	principle and is prescribed in ROC's constitution.
		 
	The judiciary can prosecute these people AFTER they have returned,
	but they should not have the authority to forbid them from returning.
	If they are really the "trouble", barring them from returning
	means that you dump this "trouble" to some other country.
	That is hardly a heroic or responsible attitude, is it?


Then,

In article <1992Nov14.000841.28427@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:

>I dont see the problem. For example, if your son are very violent against
>the family, you as a father, do you let him stay in the house or maybe he 
>is so violent you may have to sever the father-son relations. 
>
>Certainly "the judiciary can prosecute these people AFTER they have returned"
>is other way to do it.




Here's the problem:

	These people were NEVER stripped of their ROC citizenship!

If you want to use the "sever the tie" argument, at least do it!
I mean, strip these people of their ROC citizenship.
Then you can talk about "sever the relationship".
That is the legal way to do it;
and ROC is a country ruled by law, right? (:-)

When you want to "sever ties with your child"
(which, by the way, is legally unenforcable in ROC),
you put an announcement in the newspapers
to openly proclaim it to the world, don't you?
But there has never been a public proclamation from the ROC government
that it has "severed all ties" (whatever that means) with these people!
Even the existence of the "balck list" has been repeatedly denied
by the ROC government over the years!
(An indication that the action is unjust and immoral, perhap?)

Remember: All citizens should be treated equally before the law.
The right for one is the right for all.
These people were never stripped of their ROC citizenship.
They have exactly the same right as any other oversea ROC citizen
to return to their home country.
If the government can take this illegal action against anyone,
it can do this to EVERYONE, including you and me
(assuming that you are a ROC citizen, of course)!
If it can bar pro-independence citizens from returning today,
are you sure it will not use the same tactics to bar
pro-unification citizens from returning tomorrow?
Freedom to travel should not fall victim of political censorship
by ANY goverment, be it pro-whatever!


(By the way, I disagree with Mr./Ms. Li's characterization that
"those people were violent against the family."
I think they had (and still have) serious political disagreement
with those who were/are in power. The decision to bar them
from returning was not reached by the whole family, either.
It was decided by the person holding the front door key.
And I'm not sure she/he is the "man of the house" or not.)


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