From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Why don't you stay ?
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.091557.11196@nuscc.nus.sg>, elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes...
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>> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:17:00 GMT
>> > 
>> > ....
>> > ==========================================================================
>> > Treaty is something between two governments with full sovereignty.
>> > How many people in this WORLD still think that Taipei is a legitimate
>> > and sovereign government? If not, how can one sign a tready with it?
>> > Not to mention Beijing!!!!!
>> > c.q.
>> > ========================================================================
>> > ....
>>
> 
>Beijing government controls most of the land and calls itself "People's
>republic", just like North Korea does.  Taipei government controls a
>small amount of land and remains "Republic", just like South Korea
>except the land size is very small.  BECAUSE OF THE LAND SIZE, people
>tend to think "People's republic" represents China.
> 
>However, Taiwanese government has its own independant political and
>financial systems.   How to verify this ?  There are several simple ways
>which I may be able to tell Mr. c.q.
> 
>(1) Bring any Taiwanese currency(cash) to any banks in Asia to see if
>    they accept them as a legal tender.  I will say yes.  They accept
>    it.
> 
>(2) Bring any Taiwanese passport(with name "republic of china" on cover)
>    to any consulate to get visa to any country, to see if they accept
>    it as a legal travel document.  I will say yes.  They accept it.
> 
>(3) Ask any travel agency to see if "China Airlines" flys to Taipei or
>    Beijing.  They will tell you, it flys to Taipei.
> 
>(4) Ask anyone "is Taiwan a communist country", people will say no and
>    say "I think you mixed it up with China, China is a communist
>    country".  Doesn't that mean it all.   
> 
>(5) After Tien-ann-men crackdown, all overseas Chinese students were 
>    more or less granted a visa to stay overseas.  What they mean 
>    "Chinese students" are not "Taiwanese students".  They understand that 
>    Beijing government has no whatsoever control on Taiwanese, therefore they
>    are not in danger and they do not need any visa for humanity
>    protection.  
> 
>I do quite agree with Mr. Alan Yang's posting earlier.  If you truely
>believe that China is a great place to stay, why don't you stay.  If you
>guys do not like to stay and ask (or suggest) Taiwanese to stay, that is
>too much.  
> 
>Of course, if China becomes a better country which you guys like to
>stay, Taiwanese will go over and stay even you guys try to stop them.
> 
> 

Sorry, Sir. 

None of the above you mentioned represents SOVEREIGNTY. Hong Kong has
all the above you mentioned, but nobody would say it is a independent
country. Everybody knows that it is a colony of Great Britain. Most
of the people in today's world know the problem of Taiwan: it is the
result of the WWII and the cold war. Most people in this world would 
not say it is a LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN country. 

Whether Beijing should unify Taipei with force is another issue and
I am not intend to discuss that here. Again, this is a issue between
Beijing and Taipei while the F-16 sale is a issue between Beijing
and Washington, two world wide recognized sovereign counrties.

I'd like to remind you as well as Mr. Allen Yang that you can see a lot
of American students in Beijing, too. Does it mean that they believe
China is a better place than the United States? I have told Mr. Allen
Yang that I have no intension at all to stay here any longer than
it is necessary, not because here is bad but because I love my counrty.
I am very dispointed to see that several people from Twaiwan always
like to believe that there is only one cause for every thing. That
is simply not true. People from mainland came to the US for different
reasons and may want to stay here for different reasons. Also, people
may agree with you or disagree with you for different reasons. There
is no clear cut for anything!! I also feel that Some people, espacially
people from Taiwan, like to say the other body is "brain-washed". 
I am sorry to hear that. KMT invented that word and used that a lot
while Communists in Beijing rearly use it. So, who is "brain-washed"?

c.q.
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