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From: dirceu@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (Dirceu G. Cavendish Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: More on "gaijin" (was Re: Please give your opinions...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:28:30 GMT
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
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In-reply-to: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:00:55 GMT

In article <BxtuDJ.Jt3@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

 >
 >   Recently, I read a book "Amerika to Nippon" written by Reona "Leo" Ezaki 
 >(Physicist, Nobel Laureate). In comparing the American society and the 
 >Japanese society, he cites a data which shows that in the US, 60 % of
 >information is transmitted by way of the language whereas only 16 %
 >is conveyed via words in Japan. In other words, you can understand only
 >16 % of speaker's intention in Japan if you stick to the literal meaning 
 >of spoken words. This seems to be a good estimation. Japanese culture
 >requires the receiver of the information to be highly imaginative, and
 >the American culture requires the sender of the information to be
 >highly specific.
 >
 >
 >--Michiaki

I have not followed this thread since the very beginning (partly due to the
S/N phenomenon in s.c.j), but the text above grabbed my attention.

Have you noticed the capacity of people on TV have to talk for hours
without saying anything? I'm not talking about interviews, where it is
quite common that people dont know what to answer. But, for example,
in those debates or TV shows where discussions take place. Sometimes I
count up three or four consecutive meaningless sentences, or 5
minutes of non-stop talk with no meaning at all, from people who are
there invited to provide opinions about some topic.

Cheers...

D. Cavendish
Kyushu Institute of Technology
E-mail: dirceu@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp


Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Fair Trade?
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:08:27 GMT

Well, it does seem slightly (!!although not a lot) more real than rice's 
security restrictions...


Charlie



	TOKYO (UPI) -- Two American ceramics makers have filed complaints with
the Commerce Department charging that parts imported from Japan and
other countries threaten national security, a Tokyo newspaper reported
Sunday.
	In a dispatch from Washington, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the
complaints were filed Nov. 10 against Kyocera Corp., NGK Insulators,
Ltd., and other firms by Coors Electronic Package and Ceramic Process
System.
	The complaints claimed more than 90 percent of the ceramic parts used
in semiconductors for military use are imported, thereby endangering U.
S. security.
	Jim Wade, president of Coors Ceramic, the parent company of Coors
Electronic Package, told the newspaper that dependence on foreign
ceramics is weakening U.S. military power and sapping the ability of U.
S. enterprises.
	Kiyohide Shirai, president of Kyocera America in San Diego, Calif.,
said he was surprised to hear of the complaints.
	``I don't think our products are endangering the national security of
the United States,'' Yomiuri quoted Shirai as saying.
	``We have established cooperative ties with U.S. semiconductor makers
and I think they will be in trouble if ceramic imports are restricted,''
he said.
	Kyocera Corp. has a 70 percent share of the U.S. market.
	Ceramic packages -- boards for semiconductors' wiring -- are essential
parts of high-performance semi-conductors and are regarded as superior
to plastic because they let heat escape.
	The Commerce Department is reviewing documents to determine if the
complaints are warranted, the newspaper said.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Citizenship or ethnic background?(was Re: Fingerprinting)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 05:57:14 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov23.032018.9324@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>However, the Korean gov't does just that; it discriminates on the basis
>of ethnicity.  The Korean gov't is r.a.c.i.s.t.

	Not by the citizenship? Please list the instances.

>Instead, the Japanese gov't should have expelled those foreigners,
>including Koreans, who break the immigration laws.  Forcing them to
>abide by the laws by using devices of that nature is inappropriate.
>They should simply be expelled.  I support the expulsion of Koreans
>breaking these laws.

	They took them whey they needed them; now you're saying
	get rid of them since they don't need them; again, I agree
	with you on those not being brought over during & before WWII;
	but I can't agree on those slaved descendents.

>Japan is not Korea.  The Japanese gov't, unlike the Korean gov't,
>does not give favors to Koreans because they are ethnically Korean.

	I've never liked Korean Gov't but Korean gov't would not give
	favor to Japanese because they are ethnically Japanese, either.

>There, they can enjoy the discriminatory laws that favor ethnic
>Koreans over Taiwanese, Japanese, Germans, etc.

	So you're saying that Japanese law favors Japanese citizens
	(which I don't think anything wrong with it);
	and you're also saying the same thing with Korean citizens
	replaced with ethnic Koreans.

	Maybe, you should argue on getting Korean citizenship;
	FYI, Koreans w/o exception have to get their fingerprinting which
	shows up on their I.D. when they become 18 years old.

>But Martin Luther King might see something wrong with Korean immigration
>laws.  They are specifically discriminating on the basis of race.

	Question here, doesn't Japanese immigration law give
	breaks to ethnically Japanese?

	As far as I know, Korean law does; is this the discrimination
	you're talking about?  If so and if Japanese law gives
	favor to ethnically Japanese, what's the difference?
	If not, correct me, please.

P.S.: somehow, from Mr. D.J's article I feel some anger towards Korean
    culture and/or Gov't, Koreans in Japan from Mr. D.J. (is this ture?);
    and if so, I'm glad you're is not Japanese.
    No flame intended, this is just my honest feeling, since if every
    Japanese thinks like you, there is no hope on good relation between
    Korea and Japan.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Kyushu Basho (Day 11)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:15:53 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

Another day for nothing. First, Kotonishiki won by default as Mito is
injured and will sit out the rest of the tournament. Akebono charged
hard and low, and maegashira no.4 Wakashoyo side stepped, but not far enough as
the Hawaiian was able to slam him on the chest with his right hand, sending him
off balance and out. A demonstration of strength and coordination.
Musashimaru had a harder time. Daizen charged hard, bringing the sekiwake to
the edge and on one foot. But Musashimaru has demonstrated in the past that
he is one of the most solid wrestlers, often resisting at the edge when he
is not litterally spinning around. Anyway, he charged back and the bout was
heated, both wrestlers exchanging pushes and thrusts before fighting at the
edge where the Hawaiian eventually thrust his foe out. Takahanada had to
fight strong resistance from Kitakachidoki, the maegashira almost catching
him off balance in the opening seconds before the young sekiwake 
could finally get the overhand and push him out. It is interesting to see
that out of 10 sanyaku, only 3 will chalkup a kachikoshi (winning) record,
whereas most of them did last tournament. This could make way in the upper
ranks for people such as Daishoho, Wakashayo and Wakahanada. In juryo, 
28-year-old first-year wrestler Tomonohana mangaed his eighth win and is tied 
for the lead, while Hoshiandesu failed at his first attempt against
Tochinofuji.

Winner	Wins	Loser	Wins

W'Y	3	OgiN(j)	5
Kbeppu	7	KasugaF	6
Kgaume	5	Nami'H(j)7
Ktsubaki9	Toki	5
KiriN	7	Tatsu	5
Tama	4	KF	4
Mai'U	4	H'K	4
Toyo'U	8	Kiraiho	5
Ogi'H	6	TomoeF	7
T'nami	6	K'W	5
DshoY	4	Tochi'W	4
Misugi	6	KuSU	6
Terao	4	Kinazuma5
Dshoho	7	WHda	7
Kyoku	4	Ttoriki	3
THda	7	Kita	6
Musashi	9	Dzen	6
KN	10	Mito	1
Tmisugi	5	Aki'S	4
Akebono	10	Wshoyo	6

Today's main bouts :

Kyokudozan	Akebono
Musashimaru	Tomoefuji
Kotonishiki	Daishoho


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Social Democratic Party
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:45:19 GMT

keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>aki@bnlux1.bnl.gov (akihiro yamashita) kindly responds to my
>question: 

>>>What is Social Democratic Party?  When was it established?
>>>Did Japanese Socialist Party changed its official name
>>>recently?  

>>Yes , they changed their official English name a few years ago.
>>Japanese name is still 'Nippon Shakai Tou'.  

>Are they nuts? How can anyone trust a political party that
>delibarately mistranslates its name for international 
>consumption? 
> 
Hmmm. It could be argued that it was orginally mistranslated into 
Japanese, possibly for purposes of domestic consumption. Isn't
socialism "shakaishugi"? Shouldn't it have been the "shakaishugitou"?

But then party names are fictions anyway. Here in Australia we
have a right-wing conservative party in power calling itself the
"Labor Party", and an opposition gang of far-right loonies calling
themselves the "Liberal Party".

It's enough to make Spiral Agnew spin in his grave. [He is dead ?
(hopefully)]

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: smittie@csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:29:45 GMT

>     We find that pretty offensive, which is why we hate to be called
>``gaijin''.

I don't know who Mr. Crispin means by "we" but it doesn't include this gaijin.
I don't mind being called gaijin at all. I frequently use it to refer to myself
and others. I do find it offensive when someone judges me based on the sweeping
generalizations that Mr. Crispin mentioned but those generalizations are not,
insofar as I can see, connected with the word gaijin. Moreover, anyone who
carries such prejudices will continue to carry them whether s/he calls me
gaijin, gaikokujin, gaikokusama, or kamisama. Changing the word most surely
will not change his/her racists attitudes.

smittie
-- 
                             Tada mono de ha nai
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From: ecovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: kanji on Star Trek TNG
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:30:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Hmmmm.... yes, the name of the planet in "Aliens3" wasn't Japanese.
Anyone remember the name of the actual prison outpost that was ON
the planet though? I don't... but I recall it being hyphenated and
part of it being a japanese name (just wondering why there was all
the Japanese writing all over the sets).
		Maiko

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:43:46 GMT

In article <102872@bu.edu> sakai@csa.bu.edu (Tsutomu Sakai) writes:

   Xref: world soc.culture.japan:18550
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Subject: Re: How bad are Japanese drivers?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:48:57 GMT

naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima) writes:
: 
: I don't know about driver instructors, but IMHO Japanese drivers are 
: among the best in the world. Oh NO! I've made a gneral statement!

I agree that Japanese drivers have excellent skill to drive thrue
narrow labyrinth and park a car in a few-tatami space.  
But I think American drivers may be better than Japanese drivers in a sense.

(1) Generally, American drivers communicate with other drivers using
    eye contact or body language more often than Japanese drivers.
    But some American drivers (even police cars!!) do not *communicate*
    using turn signals. 
(2) Many of Japanese drivers tend to have a difficulty in lane change.
    I saw many Japanese drivers having difficulty in lane change in 
    5 or 6-lane free ways in US.

    Of course, all-way-stops in US are very troublesome for all of 
Japanese drivers.  :-)
-- 
Nobuyasu KANEKAWA  (E-mail address in Japan : kanekawa@hrl.hitachi.co.jp)
   Ich bin am gluecklichsten wenn Ich bei dir bin.
  "Boku ha kimi to iru toki ga ichiban shiawase nanda." Yuzo Kayama
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Fingerprinting Gaijin
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:26:06 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

As for treatment of Korean-Japanese, it is common knowledge that kaishas
use detective teams to sort out a person's background in terms of 
caste and ethnicity.  But, of course no rejected applicant can ever prove such
a thing.  Consequently, Hitachi Electric avoids becoming Eta Electric,
Japan Bank avoids becoming Ketou Bank.  Well, if it gives the island folk an
ego trip to make non-islanders stamp their fingers, then let them have an
orgasm over it.
From: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: ha and wa (Was Re: Lawyer wanted! Immediately!)
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:01:42 GMT
Reply-To: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Organization: Dept. of Information Engineering, Shinshu Univ.,500 wakasato, Nagano, Japan

In article <1992Nov18.045848.1000626@sue.cc.uregina.ca> guohsu@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Allen Guo-Ching Hsu) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Nov16115941@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>>>                             Tada mono de ha nai
>>                                            ^
>>>Yes! You are...--->                        W
>>I realize that the sound here is 'wa' and not 'ha.' However, the hiranga
>>character is "ha" and I prefer to remain true to the hiragana. I just didn't
>>want you all to think it was a mistake.
>
>  What you are showing here are not hiragana characters but just approximate
>  pronunciations, unless you display them in Japanese characters. You do make
>  a mistake. Besides, admit your mistake wouldn't damage your image, but may
>  make it shinny.

I think Smittie does not make any mistake.

In "tada mono de ha nai", the particle "ha" is pronunciated not as "ha',
but as "wa". By the fact, Smittee did not show the pronunciations, but
the one-to-one replacements from hiragana to Lattin characters.

It is true that the particle "ha" is written as "wa" in "ro^ma zi"
textbooks used in the elementary schools, as well as "o, e" in place of
"wo, he". In my opinion, however, it might be very harmful to use different
representations in hiragana and "ro^ma zi". Fortunately, "ro^ma zi" is
seldomly used to write Japanese sentences. It is only for proper nouns.

In the sence above, the problem of how to represent particles in "ro^ma zi"
is not serious.

-- 
Yasuaki NAKANO
nakano@wakasato.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp
From: ruan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: test
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:44:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: kuhub.1992Nov17.004445.44864
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

just a test
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Fingerprinting Gaijin
Date: 21 Nov 1992 08:52:11 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov20.200619.5575@src.dec.com> jerian@src.dec.com (Chuck Jerian) writes:
>California takes a thumbprint for a California drivers license or identity card.
>Everyone is fingerprinted.

Where did you get that from??  I never got fingerprinted for my driver's ID.
Moreover, what do you mean by identity card??  My student ID just shows my
face.  Never heard of a state identity card, not even California.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:10:43 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Japan's military upgrades.

Friends, 


           This is great technology thatis coming to Nippon. I want to
also confirm what I said earlier. One should not be afraid of the
Japanese military.
I suppect that there are those who want to return to the Imperial days.
But, They are sick and less than one percent.(if in fact any) A malay
friend of mine was talking about Mishima. Especially, the time when his
self-imposed coup. If
it could be remembered, the soldiers that were there rejected him
flatly. The fact is is that these Imperial days hurt the average
Japanese. We were fooled!
While our brothers and fathers were dying in battle, we were being lied
to. We are winning they proclaim! Bullshit! A person would have to be
very close to a
fool to want this system. We Japanese(in general) have climbed from the low
bottomless pit of stupidity. Ya' know the lust for power causes stupidty. There
is no romantization about this dacade(+). Will, we become like the Germans?
Who after suffering from the two world wars and the third reich and still they
think that "something is back there"(I'll talk about this{shortly}in my
next post). For a while, they (the Germans), were living in the economic
limelight but now since semi-hard times have hit Germany they let their
young attack the poor Vietmanese and gypies. Will Nippon go back? Even,
if we do face economic change. We can not do this. So, my freinds, don't
be afraid. The People are in control and we will expand our control over
our own government right after the removal of the LDP! (Wow, that was
hard to pull together, but I did it!!)
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sound familiar?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:54:34 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

[UPI, 11/16/92] BEIJING -- A man in central China who allegedly lynched his 
son for playing hooky from school said he did it "for his own good," an 
official newspaper said Monday. In rare official recognition of child abuse 
in China, the Communist Party newspaper People's Daily said 5-year-old Xia 
Hui suffocated to death after his father hanged him from the rafter of their 
house with a nylon rope as punishment for missing school. The People's Daily 
quoted the boy's father Xia Lihan, a worker from Wuhan city, as saying "I've 
committed a crime. I abused him to death. But I did it for his own good."
(Forwarded by: A CND Reader)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: kanji on Star Trek TNG
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:59:24 GMT

In article <BxJ2nn.D1n@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <17301@mindlink.bc.ca> a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto) writes:
>>RE: kei and yuri -- writers for TNG are manga fans.
>>The sport looks like KENDO. Were Ryker and Ryker Sr. wearing
>>masks that look not unlike fencing masks?
>
>Kendo??!  Those masks can just as easily pass as hockey masks, in fact
>they fight like they weere in one.

Oh please don't remind me of this one.  "Ambojutsu" being the ultimate
in martial arts?????  This was just two guys with opaque visors
waving sound sticks at each other...

The only interesting thing in it was the anime in-jokes that the
gym was *flooded* with... :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Gifts from visiting US student
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:24:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.204519.13606@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes (in 
response to inquries about good American gifts to Japanese people):

>If you are on a limited budget, might I suggest t-shirts, sweatshirts, notebooks,
>and folders from the local university?  These are always appreciated.

   T-shirts of Banana Republic seem to be very popular among young Japanese.
They are sometimes available for a sales price of less than $10 in the US.
The same shirts could be priced 5,000 yen ($40?) in Japan.
   When you give a B.R. T-shirt to Japanese, don't forget to tell them
not to visit tropical developing countries with it on. B-)

--Michiaki
============
I don't talk for Banana Republic, who doesn't even offer a discount to a 
frequent customer like me.