From: richard@adpgate.UUCP ( ADP OPuS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Word publish,PageMaker subscribe!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:27:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: outland.1547
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

lcgordon@milton.u.washington.edu (Lisa Claesson-Gordon) writes:
> richard@adpgate.UUCP ( ADP OPuS) writes:
> 
> >	SOooooo, my publish & subscribe dream...publish the table in Word,
> >	then subscribe in PageMaker????  IT WON'T WORK.  PageMaker brings 
> >	it over in pieces as tab delimited data - no more table!
> 
> >	Welllll, how about convert the table to PICT in Word, then publish
> >	the PICT table and subscribe in PageMaker????  Close, but no 
> >	ceeegar.
> >	I figure if I could get it to be an independent graphic 
> >	things might go OK, but since its coming from a WORD processor, 
> >	PageMaker gets the message that is is text (just a guess).
 
	As it turns out this is true, but not a problem...
> 
> I haven't tried this with Word 5 recently, but I presume that you have read
> our docs, in particular the section on "Importing a table from Table Editor
> and Word 4.0" (I'm at home and have only an older copy of the doc set with me.)
> It tells you to insert an uppercase T in a new line before the table, and
> to apply the "hidden" style to it. Then use import/place to import it as
> tab-delimited text.

	Importing as tab-delimited text will not do - I need table formatting.

> to import as graphic, you should: turn off the "Show Hidden Text" and
> "Show Table Gridlines" options, select ONLY the table, and press
> CMD-OPT-D to have Word copy the table to the clipboard as a graphic.
> (Tha's intuitive, eh?). You can then paste it into PageMaker.

	Copying through the clipboard will NOT maintain a link!!!

	There is a happy ending to this problem. I really hope someone from 
	Microsoft is reading this....
	
	A lot of my confusion came from the fact that I was expecting Page
	Maker to import it AS A GRAPHIC element. It brings it in as a TEXT 
	element.  Therefore, I would try to click on the actual graphic and 
	move it into position. When doing this PageMaker saw it (correctly) 
	as trying to move the graphic around inside the TEXT element!!! 
	Once I figured out that I needed to click outside the graphic upon 
	the text element, things went fine with PageMaker.  

	....first of all, PageMaker is doing exactly what it should. As it 
	turns out, the solution path goes:
		* create a table in Word
		* make it into a graphic in Word (see below for the trick!)
		* publish the graphic as an Edition in Word (another trick!)
		* subscribe to the Edition in PageMaker
	
	* create a table in Word - just like you normally would

	* make it into a graphic in Word - to make a table into a graphic 
	in Word, usually you select the table, then Command-Option-D to 
	copy it to the clipboard as a PICT graphic. After playing around 
	though I discovered a neater trick. If you select the table and 
	do a regular copy (Command-C), then select Paste Special from the 
	Edit menu, you can select from a list of items the choice of 
	pasting it as Graphic, and better yet, you can Paste Link the 
	item.  Now when I change my actual Table, the PICT graphic 
	automatically updates.

	* publish the graphic as an edition in Word - I had to try several 
	things to get this to work.  If you select ONLY the graphic object 
	and create a publisher of it, it appears to instate itself as a 
	publisher, but when you change the original table somehow the link 
	(being the exact same hunk of stuff as the publisher) overlays???
	the publisher, and it appears that the published edition-ness of 
	the thing disappears. 
	------MICROSOFT ARE YOU READING THIS?????--------
		I recognize the difficulty of trying to support links AND 
		publish & subscribe; your QA folks need to muck around in 
		this area for defects!!!

	the workaround - drumroll please...
	  When you publish the graphic as an edition in Word, include a 
	  line above and a line below with the edition. This allow you 
	  and the application to retain the separate identities of both 
	  the link and the edition. 
	------MICROSOFT IS THE WORKAROUND A TICKING TIME BOMB????-------
		If I do this to several 12 chapter, 100+ page documents, 
		will my files self-destruct?
	
	* subscribe to the edition in PageMaker - watch out, its TEXT, not
	a graphic!!

	The net result is that I can now change ONLY the actual table; the 
	table (linked to the graphic) updates the graphic right inside of 
	Word from the link; then PageMaker is updated via publish & subscribe.

	I've done it to a small test sample; next, the whole schmeer. 
	Better get out that tape backup system before I dive off the deep end.