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From: sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten)
Subject: The NE Soundtrack
Organization: The College of William and Mary
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:23:37 GMT

Does anyone know anything about the NE Soundtrack scheduled to come
out next week?  What's going to be on it?  (Besides the theme -- of
course I'm just assuming that...)

I've been waiting for this to happen!!!  I figured they would sooner
or later. The music is just another great aspect of this masterpiece.
Every song fits the mood, tone, or point being made.

I loved the music at the end of the episode where Ed thought Ruth-Anne
was going to die.  The final scene was so touching and the music just
enhanced the effect.

I also thought the use of "Caribbean Blue" by Enya on the
'package-around-the-world' episode was relevant and effective.

Incidentally, to the person who thinks the "Toy Cows" song is from
T.M.B.G., are you sure?  It's not on "T.M.B.G.", "Lincoln",
"Miscellaneous T", "Flood", or "Apollo 18"... was it a B Side or
something? (or am I missing an album?)

BS

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From: reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: RE: Toy Cows in Africa
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:20:35 GMT
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Organization: AT&T BL Middletown/Lincroft NJ USA

after a lot of episodes my husband and i glue ourselves to the credits
to see if they mention the artists or anything about the music.  i 
wish they would because some of the music is GREAT! and we would love
to get a  CD or some other recording by those artists.  sigh!

reg
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From: mccla_d@aelle.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: RE: A Question.
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:15:23 GMT

ronald.bollschweiler@oit.unc.edu says:

> In the Adam and Eve wedding episode, Bernard talks about ferry service 
> across the Bering Sea. Does anyone know if such a service realy [sic]
> exists?

Ferry service does exist between Nome and the Kamchatkan peninsula. It is
operated by Aeroflot. It was started due to the efforts of the librarian of
Nome. His name is Joe. I can't remember his last name, because I've only
known him through his e-mail address on America Online. He runs a cultural
exchange kind of thing there called Bering Bridge. Besides the electronic
message transfers he does there, he arranges teacher and student transfer
programs, scouting group trips, etc. This is all done by aircraft. I haven't
heard of a water ferry.

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From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Date: 9 Sep 1992 13:27:46 -0500
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep8.233239.29093@nntp.uoregon.edu> vinswolt@cie.uoregon.edu.uoregon.edu (Vince Woldt) writes:
>I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the episode where Ed is worried
>about Ruth-Ann dying.  I can't remember what else happened in that one,
>but the scene at the end was beautiful enough in its own right.

In that episode and the one before or after it, Ed spent a lot of time
with Ruth Ann, eating dinner at home with her and long deep talks...
I began to wonder if there was going to be a May/December romance
blossoming!  Did anyone else think this, or am I just a pervert? :-)

R
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From: Ronald.Bollschweiler@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ronald Bollschweiler)
Subject: A Question.
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:38:13 GMT

In the Adam and Eve wedding episode, Bernard talks about ferry service
accross the Bering Sea.  Does anyone know if such a service realy
exists?


Ronald Bollschweiler			bolls@math.arizona.edu


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From: dinhyen@nevada.edu (DINH-YEN TRAN)
Subject: Re: The NE Soundtrack
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.042337.25370@cs.wm.edu> sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten) writes:
>......

>I've been waiting for this to happen!!!  I figured they would sooner
>or later. The music is just another great aspect of this masterpiece.
>Every song fits the mood, tone, or point being made.
>
>I loved the music at the end of the episode where Ed thought Ruth-Anne
>was going to die.  The final scene was so touching and the music just
>enhanced the effect.
>
>I also thought the use of "Caribbean Blue" by Enya on the
>'package-around-the-world' episode was relevant and effective.
>


	How about playing "The Blue Danube" while Chris was flinging the piano.
	That moment, when the piano suspends in midair and seems to hang there
	on some invisible strings, just fits perfectly with the music.
	I am sure some other people will find other examples of the excellent 
	coordination between music and pictures that enhances the emotions in
	NEX.
dinhyen@nevada.edu
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Going To Extremes
Date: 10 Sep 1992 03:22:52 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.ucsd.edu

I think it's too Hollywood...  There's no fat student.  No student
with bad complexion.  etc.  At least with NEXP you see *normal*
people.  That's one of the biggest reasons I watch it.  Even Shelly,
who is a beauty contest winner, looks more like a real person than
a 90210/Melrose/Malibu/etc type mannikin.
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - This program was initially an exercise to learn VMS...
    (paraphrased from VMS mail source code)
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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: re. Best Episode
Organization: very little
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 00:23:41 GMT

In article <3crnqkb.jaguar@netcom.com> jaguar@netcom.com (Ophelia) writes:
>But of course THE BEST episode is the one where Joel's twin brother
>changes places with him.  Every moment of the episode was a laugh!
>

The show has a lot of local Seattle people in it.  This one had
John Procacino, the movie reviewer on the local CBS TV affiliate, at
the end of the show leaning over Joel's bed saying "you all right
little buddy?".


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From: bob@arx.adp.wisc.edu (Bob Mikrut)
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Reply-To: bob@rags.adp.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:22:28 GMT


>                                                  They thought that they 
> might sell a few of these, but at the time of the article, they had only 
> sold one-- to NX.  If you want one, they only cost $18,000.00.
>  
> Here's a question, How did the producers of NX hear about this thing?
>  
> Oh, it was in "Car & Driver" because they wanted to fling a small car, a 
> Trabant, I think.  Great article, much better than the WSJ piece.  I forgot 
> the issue date... maybe March '92.

?? The producers heard about the trebuchet in the "Car & Driver" article??
?? The same article that says one had been sold to NX ??
?? I see a small chronology problem here.


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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.152347.9151@news.acns.nwu.edu> velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener) writes:
> (Deleted)
>How 'bout this suggestion:  Maggie is an extremely sexually frustrated person.
>Can we all relate to that, or what?  *grin*  Frustration makes you act kooky
>at times.  Before she passed out, she was READY to have sex with Joel.  She
>WANTED to.  I admire Joel's character for not taking advantage of her, but I
>can understand how, to Maggie's mind, unconscious sex would have been better
>than NO sex at all.  Plus, her self-esteem was hurt because she thought Joel
>didn't find her attractive enough... which leads to the equally kooky and
>cruel behavior at the end of that episode, when she shows up at this cabin,
>gets him to tell her he wants her, and then leaves.  How come no one's
>mentioned THAT part yet?  :)

Joel survived that scene better than I would have.  Talk about a fast change.
I wonder if Maggie is not so much sexually frustrated as emotionally rootless.
Joel wanting her makes her feel good about herself.  Joel not taking her when
she was asleep made her feel rejected and undesirable.  Having or not having 
sex is secondary, IMHO.  I got the impression from the flinging episode that 
Maggie's relationship with the rest of her family was not very close and 
loving.  Could that throw some light on her reactions?  My $.02.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
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From: jollie@zambini.cs.uiowa.edu (Jeffrey C. Ollie)
Subject: Re: Tough, independent women (was Re: changing the world)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:10:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Iowa

In article <89057@netnews.upenn.edu>, egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi) writes:
> And now comes word that she's going to be even more 'feminine' in the next
> espisode - taking to wearing skirts and whatnot.  *ugh*  It's hard enough
> watching her now.  Why can't they let her be strong and independant and have
> *that* appeal to guys?

Maggie appeals to me because of the complexity of her character - the mixture
of the strong and independent and the feminine. Sgt. Barbara (strong and
independent), while she is quite beautiful, doesn't appeal to me because she
lacks feminine qualities (and I don't mean the ability to cook). Shelly,
while also beautiful, doesn't appeal to me because she lacks the strength
and independence of Maggie.

Jeff Ollie
jollie@zambini.cs.uiowa.edu
"The Happy User"

P.S. Maggie's short hair makes me melt!

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From: shari@omar.WPI.EDU (Shari Deiana)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.012238.15277@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?
>
>Curious,
>
>Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)
>

I love everything about the show, but I admit I am partial to Chris and his
"twin" brother. :-)


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From: witelski@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas Peter Witelski)
Subject: Re: Complaints
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:05:32 GMT

charles@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charles Benjamin Roosen) writes:

>I agree wholeheartedly!!!  People can post whatever they like I suppose, but I
>am especially tired of complaints that characters' actions are not in line with
>their personalities, or that the show is not realistic.  Of course the show is
>not realistic!  That's one of the reasons it's so enjoyable.  For instance the

Yes, its a shame more of reality weren't as diverting as an hour in Alaska

>Also, I don't see why people want to view the characters as real people, and
>fault them for being PC or un-PC or verbose or whatever.  Clearly they are

Hey, these characters are by far more fun and interesting to be with than 
anyone I know!

Not to go mushy, but I usually feel really good and happy and relaxed after
watching an episode of Northern Exposure, cheers to the writers!

my two cents:

I think both Joel and Chris are needed together, they each in their own way
serve to 'spice up' the otherwise nice but maybe unremarkable (?) life of
a small town - Joel: much like early Woody Allen usually worrying about the
practical details of his life, Chris: taking care of everybody's need to have
some ideal visions or dreams or ??? 
...these characters set against the background of the 'town regulars' (Holling,
Maurice,Ed, Marilyn, Ruthann) make for good chemistry ..too much of one side
and things will fizz out, too much of the other and things go flat...Northern
Exposure usually gets it just right
(similarly for Holling and Shelley, Joel and Maggie, and Adam vs. the rest of
the known universe...)


Tom Witelski
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure book
Date: 6 Sep 92 02:18:55 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas

In article <1992Sep6.011929.4608@cs.yale.edu> bloom-debbie@CS.YALE.EDU (Deborah Faith Berman) writes:
>In article <08nnbc.dslee@netcom.com> dslee@netcom.com (Donna S. Lee) writes:
>
>>
>>BTW, I'm delighted to see this newsgroup come into
>>existence--it's about damn time! Let's all get together for a
>>road trip to Seattle!
>>-- 
>> Donna S. Lee // EC Technology // dslee@netcom.com
>
>I can't wait to get the book!  I am also happy with the existence
>of this newsgroup.  But I think you mean Roslyn.  I live in Seattle,
>and they definitely don't film the show here.  But it's a great place
>to visit anyway!  And Roslyn isn't *that* far away.
>
>Debbie
>

I visited Roslyn when I was in Seattle last year. It is about an hour
and 15  minutes east of Seattle. There is a Roslyn exit off the major
highway that connects Seattle to Spokane.

The town looks exactly like the show; the storefront window with
"Dr. Joel Fleischman" painted on it is on the main street.

There are about 3 restaurants in the 1 block main street. You can
sit in the Brick (the bar) and order food from the restaurants
across the street. They bring it over and pick up the dishes later.

The Brick sells some NO memorabilia; not especially good IMHO.

Worth stopping by if you are in the area.

Regards,
Tom Karches
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From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Subject: Re: Stepping out of character episode....
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:57:35 GMT

In article <7m+vHlc*i9@atlantis.psu.edu> cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer) writes:
>I just thought i'd add my two-cents concerning the re-run last night...
>
>I had never seen that episode before....I just started watching NX religiously
>last semester...this was my first impression: I thought it was a very poor
>example of NX. Granted, it was great for TV in general, but it didn't have
>the amazing quality that most episodes have. I liked the Maurice/Russian 
    
              <STUFF ABOUT SHOW DELETED>	

I think what a  -fairly- new viewer needs to keep in mind when watching 
these older shows is that the characters have changed quite a bit in the
last year or so.  For Example:  Joel's reaction to "Bob", the chimney
sweep being "Larry Coe".  While he was excited to meet Larry Coe (sp?),
he didn't seem suprised that it was him.  He seems to have gotten used
to the strangeness of Cicely.  His reaction last night to seing such a 
famous singer in Cicely was quite different.  Ed's story fits if you 
compare the character of Ed before this episode and after.  He gained
quite a bit from the experience.

Favorites:

Spring Break
The Fling
The Wedding



Barbara Kane                                               Unify Corporation
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From: dmoskowi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Denis "Tesser" Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.152347.9151@news.acns.nwu.edu> velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener) writes:
...plenty deleted...
>WANTED to.  I admire Joel's character for not taking advantage of her, but I
>can understand how, to Maggie's mind, unconscious sex would have been better
>than NO sex at all.  Plus, her self-esteem was hurt because she thought Joel
>didn't find her attractive enough... which leads to the equally kooky and
>cruel behavior at the end of that episode, when she shows up at this cabin,
>gets him to tell her he wants her, and then leaves.  How come no one's
>mentioned THAT part yet?  :)
>
I would just like to point out that a similar situation occurred before this
NX storyline began, on the FOX show Herman's Head.  Not quite the same, but
at first one character wanted to have sex with another, but the other
thought of the first as a friend instead, so the first character was hurt.
Later, the other character DID want to have sex with the first, and they got
to the bedroom together, but then the first said, "Thanks, that's enough,"
thus immensely frustrating the other character.

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From: meg@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Meg Geddes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:25:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

Why do I watch Northern Exposure?  Because (even though Cicely is fictional)
if I had to live anywhere other than where I am now, Cicely is where I would
like to live.  Cicely's inhabitants are the types of people I would like to
live amongst.

-- 
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meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Where are the children??
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:04:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.131254.3033@cs.unca.edu> stigle@cs.unca.edu (Sue Stigleman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.124014.3916@infonode.ingr.com> stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes:
>>Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the complete absence of children
>>on this show?  Oh, there has been the occasional episode like the one
>>about the baby being left in Joel's office.  I know this show is meant for
>>adults, but a lot of us adults have to constantly deal with children.
>>
>
>One of the things I like best about the show is that THERE
>ARE NO CHILDREN!  None of those horribly bratty precocious
>terminally cute TV-kids.  Those aren't children -- they're
>mutant TV life forms. 

San Francisco's CBS outlet, KPIX, ran a series of reports on its
11 o'clock "news" comparing real Alaska towns to Cicely. One of
the Alaskans interviewed pointed out that most towns up there
have a lot of kids--Alaska is a very young place. Ever since, I've
been missing that aspect of the show. I mean, there's not even 
mention of schools, which are often a focus of small-town culture.

I can also see Sue's point; TV children are usually pretty terrible.
Beyond that, kid stars tend to end up in really bad shape as 
adults; two compelling reasons to stay away from the whole thing.
Still, the show seems to have an *aversion* to kids. Characters
don't even mention off-screen offspring, grandchildren, nieces
or nephews. 

Of course, if Chris is the show's spiritual center, then it makes
a lot of sense. His navel-gazing about family, bumping around
between Joseph Campbell and John Bradshaw, focusses entirely
on his role as child and brother, never as potential father.

Ken B. 


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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Best Episode-s
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:18:21 GMT

Okay, call me a weenie...8-)

..but my favorite episode is - all of 'em!

Seriously, there is a groundwork, a foundation, in this series,  and
each time we never know if it will be built upon or dug up and replaced.
There is something here with more _staying_power_ than any single episode,
and all I would be doing by pointing out 'favorites' (and I could, you
betcha!) would be taking particular snapshots of something always changing...


jim p.

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From: treilly@iastate.edu (Edward C Reilly)
Subject: Best episode- Cicily and Rosalyn
Summary: Fr. grn Tomat.
Keywords: Cicily and Rosalyn
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:20:50 GMT

Earlier today, someone mentioned the cicly and Rosalyn episode as their
favorite.  People I have talked to tended to either like it or hate it,
and I noticed an interesting correlation:  The ones who liked it saw the
film "Fried Green Tomatoes," and the ones who did not see the film did not
like the episode.

Consider the similarities:

     Two women become the central figures in a small town, looked up
to by others.
     The women have a strong commitment to each other, though not
explicitly sexual (the book F. G. T. portrayed the women as lovers).
     The blond haired woman is stronger than the dark haired one, and
acts as a physical strength against males outsiders (Maurice's
character in NX;  the state investigator in F.G.T.).  The dark haired
woman in both peices is a more of a spiritual leader.
     The deathbed scene from NX (though she did not die) is an exact
replica of the deathbed scene from FGT (she did die).  The set up of the
bedroom, the servant in the background, the weakness of the sick
character, etc.  

     I guess the biggest difference is the stories have dissimilar
endings.  other than though though, they seem to be closely tied, by
more than a coincidience.  I loved the film, thus was thrilled by the
episode.
     A friend of mine however, was dissappointed because she was
introducing the show to a few friends, and after all of the hype she
pumped into them about it, none of the characters had played their usual
roles (explicitly, that is), and the friends found the show confusing.
From: berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: It on during football
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:28:09 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

BTW, creton is a rather fatty, coarse pate that is common in Quebec
Canada.  Think they'd serve it in Cecily? =)


- Eva








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