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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:48:47 PST
From:         "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      With Its Head Tucked Underneath Its Wings
              18 Nov 1992 06:18:50 CST from <samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:18:50 CST <samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>>> This reminds me. Everyone check out this cool question: WHY do
>>> we say "disoriented like a decapitated chicken"? Has anyone SEEN

Gentle tushar,
   I do not wish to belabour the point, but I would like to clarify
what I percieve to be a misunderstanding.  I believe that it has been
established that several Wordslingers have, indeed, seen decapitated
farm fowl in the throes of post-mortal neural spasms.  I number myself
in that group, having dealt with the domestic feather-brainless in both
a professional and personal capacity.

   As it has already been noted, the common phrase is a variation on
"running around like a chicken with its head cut off".  I believe that
the use of "disoriented" in your paraphrasing does not accurately reflect
the original <meaning> of the saying.  Disorientation is a common condition
in living chickens, frequently brought on by high speed impact with solid
objects (such as flying into a <brick wall>).  When this happens, the birds
may be observed to wander about in a somewhat dazed condition, seemingly
unaware of their surroundings (including the presence of further solid
objects).  While this reaction would certainly be understandable in any
species, the Galliformes seem to have inherited more than their share of
the Avian tendancy to experience these little <mishaps>.

   The type of behaviour that your down home leghorn exhibits immediately
after encountering the <cheap and chippy chopper on a big black block> is
totally uncoordinated muscular activity, including spinning in circles,
tripping over itself, and other unpleasantness which I do not wish to
<delve into>.  Hence, the phrase seeks to describe totally useless and
agitated activity, rather than a sense of misdirection (disorientation).

   I am submitting this only by way of clarification, and hope that
you will accept it in that <spirit>.

Peace,
Elwood P. (I <swan>, but I would *never*, *never* <chicken>) Dowd
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Re: The Dead shall rise again

*** Resending note of 11/19/92 12:47

>//anne, who's gotta figure out how to set nomail for the week she'll be
>gone or she'll lose Internet privileges fer sher//

Should have added this to previous message:

On the PC next to me, I have a sort of home-grown screen saver process that
flashes a different picture (GIF's I have FTP'd) and I just saw a rather
meek looking dog that might be able to help you.  (OK, maybe he was just
tired).
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!!!!!!!!!!
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1992, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

> I got a real job with benefits today. I will start next Monday (11/30/92).

Congrats and best wishes.

> I knew the Clinton Miracle would work for me.

Let's see how much you like the miracle when your new paycheck gets
chopped to smithereens.

Welcome to the world, Alec!

-abh
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (68)

>            13) RICO (Anne Hy.)
>
> A US Supreme Court ruling that allows law enforcement agencies to
> seize the property of people accused of drug crimes.  (Note - accused,
> not guilty).  A law that is being seriously abused to raise money
> for local police forces (they get to keep the procedes locally).
>
> G

Almost - RICO stands for the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
Act (1970) - designed, I think, to counteract the dirty deeds of the mafia,
but it's been used against groups like Operation Rescue too.

Emily
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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          Gail Lester <gaill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>

is the fun book of the day.
many interesting (supposedly 1,001, I did not verify the count) associations.
All, most likely, are in the Ency of Assns, but this puppy is a mass market
paperback, 9.95  isbn 0-8103-9415-4.  gives the basic e of a stuff, like
where to contact them, plus a paragraph or so, sometimes toungue in cheek,
about the group.


DISCLAIMER:  WARNING:  THIS IS not A SURVEY.  NOT   not   NOT  I will NOT
tablulate, summarize, report, or give any prizes.....


Which List Member do any of these make you think of?


The Fossils    assn of individuals who have published, edited, or written
               for a nonprofessional publication

FANS (Franchise of Americans Needing Sports)   calls for more involvement
             of sports customers in decisions affecting them.

American Mead Assn     includes beekeepers, home winemakers, etc.

American Name Society     no more needed, I trust

Gaylactic Network     yup, gays and science fiction

Gnomes Anonymous     for those that are shy about loving gnomes, in Zurich
                       or elsewhere

Wabash, Frisco, and Pacific Assn.

Yarns of Yesteryear Project       sounds like one for anyone on the list
                     over 25 or so.....

1334 North Beechwood Drive Irregulars        Know this one Neal?
                    even publish and annual coloring book

Poets for Christ          just what it says

Motor Maids           yeah, for women on motorcycles.  just celebrated its
                       50th year in business

HARE  (Humans Against Rabbit Exploitation)

Humor Correspondence Club

CFC  (no, not THOSE CFCs, the Cowsills Fan Club)

CMNFB  (Church of Monday Night Football)

American Rubberband Duckpin Bowling Congress      ???

ISPF  (International Save the Pun Foundation)

MOTS  (Mend Our Tongues Society)   A subgroup of Mensa, seeking to invent
             new words for the English language

etc etc etc etc


dan
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Subject:      Re: Handbook for Torture?

Greetings,

How decidedly odd it is that the index of my E.B., admittedly a few years
old, has only two references to torture, one to the article on the
Inquisition, the other to the Plains Indians.  So civilized, these
Brits, eh?

Marty
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Subject:      Re: November 22

Karen, did YOU get the joke?
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Handbook for Torture?
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Posted on 20 Nov 1992 at 18:59:45 by Karen Kay

>My undergrad research group, the one I asked you all the reconstruction
>methods question for, has moved on...  Now we would like to find out
>about torture.  What is the purpose of torture?  Is it mental or
>physical?  We were wondering if there is a standard handbook, like the
>60's terrorist handbook for bomb-making?

Loompanics Unlimited carries a book called something like Methods of
Physical Interrogation.  I do not have a copy and I am certainly not
going to order one.  WARNING: this is probably an extremely disgusting
book.  Loompanics does not believe in censorship of any kind at all.
The last catalogue of theirs I have is several years old, and packed away,
but I seem to remember their disclaimer being stronger than usual for
that book - even their regular printer wouldn't print it.  I would not
suggest that one of your students just order it and read it casually.

Loompanics is in Washington state somewhere.  They carry all sorts of
strange stuff - a book on razor fighting sticks in my mind, plus
various bomb and weapons cookbooks - "More Kitchen Plastic Explosives"
and the like, illegal drug lab manuals, how to forge various ID,
etc. etc. etc.  They call themselves "the lunatic fringe of the
libertarian movement".

Amnesty International has documented many torture methods in many
countries.  Doubtless they could tell you a lot, but I imagine they'd
want to know in some detail why you want to know.  They have also
published some analyses of why torturers do what they do, which
may be more what you are interested in.

Tony H.
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Greetings,

Why be nice to everyone.  Clinton hasn't even been inaugurated and he's
starting to play patty-cake with right wingers like Sam Nunn.  After saying
throughout the campaign he was against the ban on gays in the military,
now he must "look at the mechanics" of changing the policy.  Isn't this
guy commander in chief?  What mechanics?

Marty
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Date: 19 Nov 1992 05:38:19 GMT
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In a previous article, karsten@netcom.com (karsten) says:

>harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell) writes:
>> What's the deal with this list lately? Volume is way off.

>What did you expect after the religious flamewar ended?

A peace treaty?  Signed in Jerusalem, maybe?:-)

>Dozens of posts from Graham about the superiority of American culture?
>
Knowing him, it wouldn't be too surprising....

>A flurry of farewells for Ruth because she's joining a free-love
>commune?

Nope - wrong guess.  I did agree to be a Lamaze coach this week, though.

>A continuing stream of reports of joy from Natalie after she tried
>OS/2 with a trackball?

Nope- we expected that one from Bernard!  Trackballs and paws would go well
together.

>Profuse apologies from Alec, who now admits it was all a ruse and
>never thought anybody would really vote for Clinton?

We didn't - we voted or Mickey Mouse.  Come to think of it, we *did* vote
for Clinton....  But I doubt Alec expected it.:-)

>An announcement from Tushar that he can no longer pretend that
>his communicative preference is for words and will now take up
>mime?

He is now a linguistic "Interpreter", writing C programs to control robots
which will pantomime his diatribes for those unlucky enough to be in the
vicinity...  

>Thousands of pearls of words-l wisdom were cast before you but
>you deleted them unread.  How do you know these weren't among them?
>
Real Wordslers don't set nomail! [and *real* real wordslers don't have
kill files!]
>
>(And you probably didn't find out ~how~ to use the twiddles, either)
>
Not knowing how to write Spanish, and with this lousy French-incompatible
keyboard, why would I?  Besides, <wakas> are more <fun>, and look more
<interesting>.
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:57:40 EST
From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RICO
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              Harwell" at Nov 18, 92 8:59 am

> > Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.
> Down here, it's commonly used to seize the houses, cars, boats, etc. of
> drug dealers. If they can prove that anything was bought with the proceeds
                           ^^^^^^^
> of drug trading, away it goes.


I don't know if this has already been pointed out - concrete proof is not
necessary to seize property/cash under RICO - strong suspicion is sufficient.

rashmi
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:31:49 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Headless Chickens ...Everywhere
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On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:03:05 GMT Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 said:
>Tushar asks:  Have you ever SEEN a headless chicken?  Cute.  He knows of
>the great LIVE headless chicken survey I conducted a year ago, just as
>he knows millions of people daily see dead headless chickens.
>
   And this was from the same great Tushie that claims to know all and
remember all of the list history....

how the mighty have fallen....

dan
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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Tushar,
 A very good sentimental piece you wrote, young man - much different from
your earlier pieces in which you experimented with various assorted styles.
And since you included the word "sentimental" in your title, perhaps you
won't flame me if I sentimentally wish you well in your new field.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
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On Thu, 19 Nov 1992, Frank wrote:

> once as an internet address and once as a bitnet address.  But I appear
> not at all.  Maybe I don't exist.

Only in my <heart>, you gorgeous thing.

-abh
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Computer games
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Actually, my favorite computer game is Words-L.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Presented by abh

>gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK              115

but if you want to discuss total wordage...

>ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN...        69

aaah, how well you know me already! but what will graham do with *that*?

>gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL           44

it just goes on and on and on....

>Alec D. Plotkin                  33
>Alec Plotkin-Vax Acct.           32
>Alec Plotkin                     30

now, what I want to know alec (or Alec), is, do you plan it this way? quotas?
are there <reasons> you can't use one machine too much?

>gtoal@IBMPCUG.CO.UK              25

and on and on and...

>toal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK         9

and on and on...

the virtuously virtual blomberg cepeda   st402747@brownvm
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In article <WORDS-L%92111611182822@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980
 (815)" <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> says:
: Tony, did you ever see _The Right Stuff_?  What sperm motility had
: to do with space flight still escapes me.  Does anyone here know
: what the NASA doctors had in mind?

They were no doubt curious to find out what effect low to nonexistent
gravity and exposure to <space rays> would have on various bodily
functions.
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
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ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Emily Horning) writes:
> And Dan, what are you doing up at this hour? Becoming a night person like
> Graham and Tushar?

Perhaps he's an ultra-early-bird and just got up.

--karsten

(there's no such thing as a "good morning")
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Query re Clinton's Dick
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All I can say is that Clinton's Sinclair certainly didn't elicit
much interesting commentary on this list.  Isn't anyone interested?
Is there perchance a .gif of it?  Does anybody know?  Where's
-abh when she is *really* needed?
Am I the only one with a <morbid> curiosity about such <things>?
Does this mean I am a pervert?
--ggs
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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>The only problem, dear gilbert, is that the messages do not appear in
>order, nor do I think they've all managed to apepar on my screen:
> this not being Latin, I have no idea what you said!
>
>--bayla

They appeared in the correct order here... but then that was by direct email
and not through the netnews gateway. Netnews always seems to be able to
'muddle' messages at this end, which is why I prefer email.

I actually found it amusing, trying to guess what the next word was going to
be..... especially when I guessed right.

Carolyn
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Subject:      Re: Southern Culture on the Skids

Greetings, Bekka,

First: words-l custom does not require that a response have any clear
relationship to the initial message.  Thus, trying to remember the
message to which you are responding in all its details is an
unnecessary exercise.

Second: if you are really uncomfortable responding to a message without
being able to examine it, you could always try printing it (unless, of
course, you just don't have a printer).

Third: you could always indulge in the obnoxious habit of replying and
appending the text of the inital message liberally interspersed with
< symbols and the like (if your mailer permits).

Fourth: your comments on the stupidity and narrowness of the religious
right, and your observation that sexual deviation is a common occurrence
among fundamentalist Christians are well expressed and clearly supportable.
Even so, it might be more diplomatic in the future to go easier on the
theologically impaired.

Marty
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Ken,

I gotta ask: you have a program that types like that, right?

-abh
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cincinnati dialect: Update
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FIVE-WAY CHILI (fi'v"wa'") /n,. Cincinnati/. A main dish consisting of layers
of noodles, chili con carne, kidney beans, chopped onions, and grated cheese.

It's halfway down page 688, left column, between FIVER and FIX, next to the
photo of F. Scott Fitzgerald, which is in turn between photos of Ella
Fitzgerald and a generic "fjord".

Both stresses, btw, are primary. Not recessive. Hint.


              b.c.  st402747@brownvm
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Greetings, Lisa,

Thanks for the civics review.  No, I can't claim to be surprised by Clinton's
failure to act with the "courage of his convictions" since I don't and have
not attributed much conviction to him in the first place.  After all, this is
a fellow who, even as president, will probably be guided by the same
motivations that have driven him throughout his adult life, in particular
the desire to "preserve his political viability within the system..."

Even so, just as I criticized George Bush for his deplorable actions, I
intend to do the same with Bill.  In this case, it seems clear Bill has,
canny pol that he is, determined that the gay bloc is peripheral and can
be sacrificed to his larger political agenda (at least, that is how it now
appears, and it certainly is convenient to take the guy at his word).

My impression is that as Commander in Chief Bill could change this policy
by executive order.  Sam Nunn was not elected President and his views,
interesting though they may be, are of only passing relevance in this case.
This particular ban is as nonsensical as earlier policies that precluded
soldiers of more color from serving alongside soldiers of less color.

Marty
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Subject:      Re: Reification
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Posted on 15 Nov 1992 at 12:54:28 by blomberg cepeda
>referring to buying a tourist T-shirt while on vacation as "reifying the
>experience."

I thought of the clambake as List Reification before it happened--when it
it happened, though, it was mostly reification of several people's
physicalities.  I *do* recommend indulging in more time than merely the
clambake itself; that makes it less of a shock.

Karen
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