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From:         BUNTON@UTSW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

Mr. Kadie has gone to great lengths in arguing his position regarding
intellectual freedom and should be commended for such a thorough treatment.
While I may not agree with his position, I can appreciate the work that
has gone into his consideration. I do believe, however, it is very important
to make a point very clear. He comments that "such a policy in a library
would be a violation of the intellectual freedom policies of the American
Library Association" regarding the idea of restrictive collection policies.
The point which needs to be emphasized and clearly understood is that the
ALA policies are simply the feelings of a particular group of people with
a particular political bent and do not hold any authority over individual
professional librarians nor to library organizations in general, nor should
they in any way be confused or considered in the same light as constitutional
and legal law and precedent. In any question of intellectual freedom and
first amendment considerations, the only area which ultimately holds weight
is what the law allows and provides, regardless of what a professional
organization may hold as their opinion.

Glenn Bunton
Head, Educational Technology Laboratory
UT Southwestern Medical Center
Dallas, Texas
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Please unsuscribe me from the list.  I tried to do it myself, but it
replied that I wasn't even on it!

Thank you!
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:00:00 EDT
From:         Harry Nicholos <HMN@NCSUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: DEC VTX V5.1

>
>Two lists are:
>
>NCVTX-L          NCVTX-L@NCSUVM    North Carolina DEC VTX Discussion List
>VTX-L            VTX-L@NCSUVM      DEC VideoText Discussion List

Folks,

As the list owner of both lists, let me point out that the NCVTX-L list is a
closed list for the VTX managers within the University of North Carolina system.

We generally only discuss administrative things  and any technical discussion is

cross-posted to the VTX-L list.

I welcome any and all to subscribe to the VTX-L list.

Cheers,
Harry Nicholos
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:27:26 GMT+1200
From:         MAWAREHA@REX.MNSMC.EDU
Subject:      Bible quote
Comments: To: cwis-l@wuvmd.wustl.edu

Hello, all
    I have to say that I agree with Roy Miller's comment about how he
sees the Bible quote

            "Steer clear of foolish discussions which lead people
into the sin of anger with eachother"

fit for listservs' discussions at times.  It is sad to see grown
adults
fighting like prebupescents by calling eachother names and trying to
"get people on their side" of the fight.  Besides, no one wants to
"hear" this kind of "talk" on our listservs; if we wanted that we
could go back to junior high.  Now let's all act like civilized
adults and treat eachother with respect, even those who don't share
our same opinions.  I personally would not listen to someone who
acted this way toward me in an argument; not many of us would.  Let's
be at PEACE with eachother!
        PEACE TO ALL HUMANKIND!!  "If peace is what we want, then
we'd better start practicing it on our listservs."  (That's MY quote,
but feel free to use it if you'd
 like.)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Monica Wareham
mawareha@rex.mnsmc.edu

(507) 457-7240 (school)
Saint Mary's College #314
Terrace Heights
Winona, MN 55987-1399
     ++OR++
(612) 432-8597 (home)
217 Edgewood Lane
Apple Valley, MN 55124-9359

(I will be at school address at least until early May of 1993)
From: JE24503@UAFSYSA.BITNET (Joe Euculano)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: Re: Query: Experiences with Medical/Health Care Information
              Systems
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:58:47 GMT
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On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:19:00 CDT David Lapointe said:
>As part of our info-system planning process, we want to find out what
>other medical/health care institutions are doing about distributing
>information electronically, the NIH-GUIDE being an obvious example. We
>are piloting a VMS based CWIS at San Antonio and we would like to hear
>of your experiences if you would share them with us.
>
>Thanks
>
>.david
>
>+*******************************************************************+
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>* UT Health Science Center          | BITNET:  lapointe@uthscsa     *
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You may want to check out the Listserv@UTKVM1, a nationwide interest group
for collegiate student health services.  For more info contact Dr. Jo Sweet
UT-Knoxville, 1818 Andy Holt Ave, Knoxville, TN 37996-2800, (615)974-3135.
Joe Euculano, University of Arkansas.
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: Re: request for free trade agreement info sources
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:46:15 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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(Roy Tennant) (rtennant@LIBRARY.BERKELEY.EDU) wrote:
: Bruce Werner from BIG Rapids 8-) asked:
: >Specifically:  My wife needs some resource/background
: >material on the new US/Mexico/Canada free trade
: >agreement.  Could someone point me in the right
: >direction, please?
: 
: I suggest that your wife visit her local library. The
: net is still *far* from being the best source of information
: on most topics, especially if you don't have money to spend.

There is a WAIS server running at Columbia Law with the full text of the
north american free trade agreement; the source here also gives the e-mail
address of the reference desk at the Columbia Law library if you have more
questions.

--Ed

(:source 
  :version  3 
  :ip-address "128.59.176.78"
  :ip-name "sparc-1.law.columbia.edu"
  :tcp-port 6009 
  :database-name "nafta"
  :cost 0.00 
  :cost-unit :free 
  :maintainer "willem@lawmail.law.columbia.edu"
  :description "Server created with WAIS release 8 b5 

        This database contains the full text of the North American Free Trade
        agreement.  This database is based on the file distribution of BNA
        and was translated from WordPerfect into ASCII. 

        These files have not yet been fully proof read and come as is.

        The archive is also available on athena.law.columbia.edu in the 
        directory /pubs/nafta/wp5.1 and /pubs/nafta/ascii

        KEYWORDS: Noth Amercan Free Trade Agreement Mexico Canada NAFTA

        For additional information please contact the columbia law library
        and computer center.

        This source is temporarily and will move shortly to: 

        CM-WAIS.law.columbia.edu 

        The latter is the law school CM2 WAIS seeker.

        Columbia University School of Law Computer Center
        435 West 116th street 
        Room 7W1
        New York,  NY  10027
        +1 212 854 7938
        culaw-cc@lawmail.law.columbia.edu       Computer Center Helpdesk
        willem@lawmail.law.columbia.edu         Director
        lawref@lawmail.law.columbia.edu         Law Lib. Reference department

"
  )

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:44:39 -0400
From:         J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      fyi, change in name of Univ.N.H. CWIS (VideoTex) service.
Comments: To: cwis-l@wuvmd.wustl.edu

Hi,

This is just to let you know that we have changed the name of
the University of New Hampshire's public CWIS (just VideoTex based
at present) from UNHVTX to WILDCAT.  (We are like many schools
that have an animal totem!)

We will support access via both names for a period of time (two
months??) but eventually it will just be WILDCAT.  The host name
is now WILDCAT.UNH.EDU but the address is still 132.177.128.58

  Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ. N.H.
  jim_cerny@unh.edu

PS ... This was a reminder of how difficult it can be to choose a
	really satisfactory name for such a service.  Alternatives
	such as "unhinfo" were considered but not chosen in the end.
	As a predominantly VAX/VMS site, a further complication is
	the six-character limit that DECNET imposes on node names.
	We decided not to let that limit us, even if it means the
	locals who use DECNET rather than TELNET or LAT have to
	use WLDCAT when they connect.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:38:52 -1000
From:         Torben Noerup Nielsen <torben@HAWAII.EDU>
Subject:      Re: your mail
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>

>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:25:57 -1000
>From: Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
>Subject: Re: your mail
>To: Multiple recipients of list CWIS-L <CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET>
>
>> fyi.   notice...i'm FORWARDING this....  8-)
>
>	I'm learning!
>
>
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> Caution:  The "dingdong" is continuing.... (nice monicker, Rita, Thanks)
>
>	Of course, the most effective rebuttal to Mr. Gary "dingdong" :)
>Warner's arguements as presented is that libraries, museums, and

I'm disappointed at the lack of professionalism here. Refuting Mr. Warner's
arguments is fine. That is in the spirit of normal academic discourse. Calling
him names just because you happen to disagree with him is not. Your argument
would have come across far better had you refrained from this sort of
behaviour.

					Torben
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From: kadie@EFF.ORG ((Carl M. Kadie))
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:40:29 GMT
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
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BUNTON@UTSW.bitnet writes:

[...]
>In any question of intellectual freedom and first amendment
>considerations, the only area which ultimately holds weight is what
>the law allows and provides, regardless of what a professional
>organization may hold as their opinion.
[...]

I disagree. The law gives very little guidance on these matters. (Most
of the bans in the List were legal. The First Amendment doesn't apply
to private schools or non-U.S. schools). Yet, even without direction
from law, policies (either implicit or explicit) will still be made --
usually by professionals -- I hope, by professionals who give weight
to professional standards and both legal and *moral* arguments.

- Carl


--
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:29:02 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:05:29 EDT Richard W Wiggins said:
>>Rita
>
>Hmm, perhaps Rita's mail software honors the "reply to" and this is an
>accidental list-wide reply?

   Yup...I forwarded the msg to another list, words-l, as being
relevant to some discussions we have had there.  Rita happens to work for
EFF, thus fired off her reply....which I happen to agree with, despite
most likely having religious (but not censorial) beliefs similar to those
of the poster.  8-)

Anyway, you are correct in analysis on Rita's NeXT or Mac software,
depending on which box she was on.

>In any event, perhaps there is a better place to carry on the discussion
>of censorship versus collection development versus academic freedom
>versus removing alt.binaries.nasty because your network can't handle all

   Yup.  There are several such lists available.  And I agree that it
should NOT be here...and that I'm sorry I accidentally added to it by
the crossposting and subsequent eoops.

dan

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* Dan Lester                          Bitnet:   alileste@idbsu              *
* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
* Boise, Idaho  83725                 BSU and I have a deal: I don't speak  *
* 208-385-1234                        for them and they don't speak for me. *
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:35:00 EDT
From:         "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" <GRAHAM@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject:      Timidness and Timothy

Mr Warner has been posting with a signature coyly referring to II Tim 2:15.
I thought I would exercise local online tools and found the citation in
our online Bible with no trouble; it reads:

TI2 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not
 to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It seems unexceptionable.

--Peter Graham, Rutgers University.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:06:00 -0600
From:         joe kreitzer <JLKREITZER@STTHOMAS.EDU>
Subject:      warner nails the #*%(@#&%$ solution!

Mr Warner proposed the solution to his original question in his last
posting.  (page 2099, for those who weren't reading closely.)

By consensus, let's all agree that the internet is x rated.  Mr.
Warner, and anyone else who may object to the 5% can then be forwarned
away from any contact.  Those who use net resources and avoid
"objectional" materials would have done so anyway, and I HOPE, not
have to deal with similar series of misplaced postings.   Anyone who
joined the list hoping to find exotica would quickly realize the
misrepresentation and unsubscribe.

I agree with the earlier suggestion that this discussion _properly_
belongs on one of any number of lists, and this list is best served
with the dull discussions of VTX, gopher, etc.

On the "plus" side, I don't remember the last time CWIS-L was so busy.

Joe Kreitzer                         internet: jlkreitzer@stthomas.edu
Assoc. Prof. of Economics &
  Software Design & Development
University of St Thomas
St Paul Mn, not the virgin islands :-(
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:32:31 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Comments: To: "Campus-Wide Information Systems" <CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET>,
              Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@eff.org>

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:54:22 EDT Bruce B. Harper said:
>Rita Marie Rouvalis is offensive to me because it adds nothing to any
>discussion on CWIS and because I see no point in publically ridiculing
>someone by claiming "they don't know what they are babbling about."

   That was a classic eoops.....inspired because of my forwarding the
msg to Rita....who is a personal friend....and she replied with a
"smartass remark" in line with the one I had used in my forwarding to
her.  Unfortunately she didn't notice how the reply was set with the
msg, and it came back to the list instead of to me personally.

   These things happen.  Rita is NOT a member of this list.
I'm sorry.  Rita can speak for herself, but I'm sure she is sorry too.

>and all), then I would see that appropriate for discussion. But the flames
>should end sometime before lunchtime today.

    And since I'm about ready for lunch, I trust that the flames from THIS
end will end....


                dan

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* Dan Lester                          Bitnet:   alileste@idbsu              *
* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
* Boise, Idaho  83725                 BSU and I have a deal: I don't speak  *
* 208-385-1234                        for them and they don't speak for me. *
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:36:39 EST
From:         "A. Marsh Gardiner" <GARDIN@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

First of all, as a roommate of mine once said, "Chill out."  This is the type
of feed that will only occupy bandwidth that should be used for less
philosophical debates.  There is a listserv dedicated for people who want to
scream, (darn I forget the name though!) look it up.  If people want to listen
and talk back to you they'll tune in too.  Your posting wasted enough of my
time that it should have been censored itself!  (How's that for full circle?)
Finally, as I see it, the key difference between shouting obscenities in the
classroom and shouting them in type in the proper places (like the shouting
listserv) is that people don't have to tune in if they don't want to.  Perhaps
I should be reprimanded for not practicing what I preach in that last sentence,
sorry for wasting people's time.  I was just #@%$&*! pissed off.  (See, I
censored myself there.)  Be careful about posting inconsiderate posts in the
wrong places or you may find yourself kicked off the mailing list!

If anyone cares to flame me, make it personal.  My address is at the bottom.

Sincerely,

Marsh

_____________
A. Marsh Gardiner                  Internet: gardin@harvarda.harvard.edu
VINE Database Coordinator            BITNET: gardin@harvarda
Harvard University
(617) 495-3724
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:26:18 EDT
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From:         "Dr. John C. Biddle" <JCBIDD01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

Associate Professor Information Science & Data Processing
PHONE: (502) 588 - 6121
You can only beat a dead horse so long and then there is no more flesh left.
In my opinion, all that is left are the bones on this issue. Let's get on to
something else. How about Clinton and the Viet Nam Protests in London or his
trip to Moscow. Maybe Ross Perot and the secret missions to Iran or Bush and
the Iraqgate problems?
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:22:56 CDT
From:         Landy Manderson <USTS034@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Banned Computer Material 1992

On Thu, 08 Oct 92 15:17:05 CDT I said:
>Thanx.  I am usually pretty tolerant of "noise", but it had gotten way out
>of hand.  It's sort of scary to think some of these people are running
>computers and CWIS's ...

Yes, this note was meant to be private mail (*bad* reply button, slap slap).
My apologies to A.J. for rebroadcasting his message.  My apologies also to
anyone who may be offended by my comments.  I, like everyone else here, have
my opinions, but they shouldn't necessarily be shared publicly like this.
From: COM104@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Bonnie J. Johnson)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cwis-l
Subject: Re: Software Recommendations for CWIS
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:18:58 GMT
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              6 Oct 1992 11:51:45 -0600 from <RHENNING@MIS.MCW.EDU>

Try Ring Medical.  Tom Crider 508-670-2100

I have our system and software interfacing to the telephone switch,
voicemail, e-mail, hospital's IBM and computering center IBM,
it also has the capability to interface with fax.

Maybe Tom can help you.   bj
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:11:50 EDT
From:         Roy Miller <CCRMMUS@MCGILLM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Timidness + Timonthy

On 8 Oct 1992, Peter Graham said...

>Mr Warner has been posting with a signature coyly referring to II Tim 2:15.
>I thought I would exercise local online tools and found the citation in
>our online Bible with no trouble; it reads:
>
>TI2 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not
> to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
>
>It seems unexceptionable.

I looked it up too but in a more modern translation. It says..
"Be a good workman, one who does not need to be ashamed when God
examines your work.  Know what his Word says and means."

Personally I like the verse that follows the above that says...
"Steer clear of foolish discussions which lead people into the
sin of anger with each other"

How true...particularly in the context of the networks and listservs!

-Roy Miller
Manager
McGill University
Email: CCRMMUS@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA or CCRMMUS@MCGILLM
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:23:00 MET
From:         Rob Lussenburg <LUSSENBURG@RULBUR.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
Subject:      banned material an Bible quotings
Comments: To: CWIS-L@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu

WARNING: POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE TEXT!!!

Dear CWIS-networkers,

Slowly the truth dawns on me that the publication of a list of banned
material is not some joke to get people through the quiet parts of office
afternoons, but something seriously intended. To my European eyes this is all
somewhat surrealistic. Why is everybody so preoccupied with sex (I noticed
that a lot of the material and ALL of the comments afterwards were concerned
with sex) that even the mentioning of the word sends waves of fear, not only
through university populations, but obviously even through the Internet?
(That's the reason for my warning above).

In the same vein, why is it not acceptable to have material containing the
word 'sex' in your CWIS, while people throw Bible quotings about in their
postings that I am forced to read? If one is to keep quiet about sexual
aspects, shouldn't one also keep one's religious feelings to oneself?

And now, on with discussing CWIS things!


Sincerely,

Rob Lussenburg
Rijksuniversiteit Leiden
the Netherlands
LUSSENBURG@RULBUR.LeidenUniv.nl