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From: locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker)
Subject: Re: Watching TV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:11:00 GMT

>As for blacks on television, I noticed something on a couple of soap operas.
>In the two I pay any attention to (General Hospital and As the World Turns)
>there is only one black per show. Both are professional females (one is a 
>doctor, the other a lawyer), and both are married to white men. 
>
>Has anyone noticed a similar trend on other shows?

What about the recent slew of rich-teenager shows on Fox that have brought
this sort of casting to new heights?  It seems that all their new shows
have 7-8 good-looking, rich teenagers, one of whom 'happens to be black'.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: An Exercise for Chaney (was Re: ...prefer non-blak women)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:47:49 GMT

Steve, several things:

1) Jesse Jackson does not speak for "Black America". You keep harping
on his alleged anti-Semitism as if that represents the condition of
all Blacks. A recent study done by one of the CA state universities
found that Blacks were no more anti-Semitic than whites in general,
and the highest incidence of anti-Semitism among any single sub-group
was that of *elderly whites*. This is not to excuse Black anti-Semitism
and so-called Black racism if and where it exists -- I'm just getting
tired of the hype surrounding Black "isms", as if we started this
mess and everything will be fine when we alone stop.

2) You keep making references to "Black-neo-Nazi-racial-purists" --
I don't deny such people exist, but I also don't see any evidence
that the posters replying to your original article (including me,
even though you ignored my first reply) fit that category. 
If you want to find real "neo-Nazi-racial-purists", here's an exercise for
you: Go and tell your girlfriend's closest male relatives (father, 
brothers, uncles) how you feel about her. I'm sure their responses
will make the replies you've been getting here look like a picnic!
BTW, here's a number for you to remember when you do this: 911.

3) Even though I share the opinion that you need to "check yo' head"
with respect to Black women, I also believe many will share my sentiments
when I paraphrase the words of Nana Peazant from the film _Daughters of 
the Dust_ (a film *you* definitely need to watch again and again): 
"[We] love you because you're [ours]." You're just not going to find that
kind of love from the family of a white girlfriend, but perhaps that
doesn't bother you. Certainly, the "us two against the world" mentality 
works for some couples.

Good luck,
	Darryle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Watching TV
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:44:55 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1iqa0iINNbjk@gap.caltech.edu> sun@cco.caltech.edu (Neal K.
Chaudhary) writes:
>Just watching some TV recently and I noticed that it seems like the
>racial barrier has increased from about 5-10 years ago even on TV.
> Except talk shows like Arsenio, which I think are
>somewhat progressive since he seems to have some blacks and some
>whites.  Also lethal weapon was good, atleast it was somewhat
>realistic.  As a minority, I think that Blacks are very
>underrepresented on TV, as if the TV execs forgot about them or wish
>to.

The old saying the more things change the more they stay the say applies here.
You are not a "minority." There are more people of color in the world than
there are people who lack color, therefore in that sense you are not a
minority. Arsenio was good at first, but now I can't tell where Arsenio's head
is. Sometimes he's Black Power and sometimes White, I wish he'd pick a side and
start playing for it. TV execs cater to the people who will buy more of their
products, so if they believe more whites will buy their products, then they'll
cater to whites. Notice KFC and Black Hair Products use Black People, hmm? And
as for Lethal Weapon, which I assume you mean the movie, think about this:
There are two cops, one white one black(Having one of each race makes most
people happy), the white cop is crazy, daring, but the best at what he does,
but the black cop while being the best at what he does is still physically
inept and inable to keep up. Why is that?

>Another strange thing was that here at Caltech this year we had twice
>the number of Blacks admitted as the total from the past 4 years,
>though during the past 4 years we had 1 Black woman undergrad and 
>not more than 7-8 Black male undergrads, and from what I can tell,
>less than 3-4 Black grads.
>

Caltech probably needs government funding and wanted to fill the "neccessary
quota", so they could get all the money they could get.

Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Watching TV
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:56:30 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1iqa0iINNbjk@gap.caltech.edu> sun@cco.caltech.edu (Neal K. Chaudhary) writes:
>Just watching some TV recently and I noticed that it seems like the
>racial barrier has increased from about 5-10 years ago even on TV.
>Seems like all the commercials are white people, except for your
>occasional tree-planter with a sweaty shirt, and it seems like all the
>shows are either all white or all black or some artificial half black
>half white family.   Except talk shows like Arsenio, which I think are
>somewhat progressive since he seems to have some blacks and some
>whites.  Also lethal weapon was good, atleast it was somewhat
>realistic.  As a minority, I think that Blacks are very
>underrepresented on TV, as if the TV execs forgot about them or wish
>to.
>
>Another strange thing was that here at Caltech this year we had twice
>the number of Blacks admitted as the total from the past 4 years,
>though during the past 4 years we had 1 Black woman undergrad and 
>not more than 7-8 Black male undergrads, and from what I can tell,
>less than 3-4 Black grads.

I just watched the premier of star trek: deep space nine on tv. Major black character(s)for this episode. It was..interestind.. i liked it. Now ro digest and comment on what signals were actually being transmitted. Conspiritioalists.........
Phil
P.S good to see brown people around.
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:56:23 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu wrote:
:>There is a force at work here. Its name is Spike Lee.
:Spike may not be the greatest person on the planet but I liked the movie,
:because Malcolm was real, he was human and made mistakes just like you and me.
:And as he made me mistakes he corrected them. He spoke for the life of Africans
:in AMerica. What do you know about that?

EXCUSE ME, Mister, but exactly what evidence do you have in your
possession that Mr. Stefan Michalowski is not African-American?

A.

P.S.  That was a joke!  JOKE!  Save your flames for my other shit.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:48:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.011721.28966@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.205613.568@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan8.140439.12779@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>	
>	A second factor is post-1965 racial attitudes in this country.
>	Whereas African Americans continued to be subjected to white
>	racist hate, continually being portrayed as lazy, shiftless,
>	stupid, violent, and criminal, Asian Americans were subjected
>	to white racist love, elevated to Model Minority status as
>	the "good" minority -- hard-working, quiet, obedient, politically
>	apathetic, happy to be second-class citizens, and "as long as
>	all you gooks and chinks keep quiet and work hard, we won't
>	treat you as bad as we treat the niggers".  This playing off
>	of Asian Americans against African Americans continues to this
>	day:  Look at the media coverage of the Rodney King verdict
>	and the ensuing LA Rebellion.  What started as rage over
>	institutionalized police brutality, in the form of white
>	police officers beating a black motorist and being acquitted by
>	an almost all-white jury, got converted by the media into
>	a race war between Korean Americans (media stereotype: hard-working,
>	quiet, racist foreigners) and African Americans (media stereotype:
>	lazy, violent, criminals).
>
i agree with what you're saying but then i wonder how many asian/asian-americans
see it the same way that you have explained above?  i think if i gave the gab
you did to a group of asians, they might smile and nod but i doubt it would
changes any minds.  then i look at the initiative in los angeles to form
a coalition between asian-americans/african-americans and [last i heard]
it failed.  i wish things weren't the way they are, but it's hard to know
what to do about it.

>

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From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:07:36 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1iarrfINN281@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <72883@cup.portal.com>,
>Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Here's an open ended one - what does Malcolm x mean to you?
>>
>>Is it a X cap and shirt? Is it dissing white people?
>>
>>To me, a conservative Asian American, it means a man who proves that
>>people can change for the better, and people who are destructive criminals
>>don't have to live that way. He stands against crime and murder, and if
>>every African America really followed X's advice, East Palo Alto wouldn't
>>be the murder capital of America, or the the Bay Area's drive thru
>>drug market. It seems sad that a man whose message was to study hard, work
>>hard, and stay out of trouble seems to be the symbol of anything but that.
>.
>.
>If white folks hadn't started white flight outta East Palo Alto in
>the mid-1960s...

For those of you (which is most of you) too young to
know better, East Palo Alto was already a seriously "bad" 'hood in
1962 when I lived in the Bay Area.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 16:10:04 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> 
> Forgive my ignorance if it annoys anyone. But in the short time I've
> been here I've realized when it comes to race, Americans could also
> be as ignorant as the sheep I once tended.
> 
> Kariuki Mukunya
> 
Kariuki:
In your short time here, you've already discovered an essential truth.
G.

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From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Education
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:38:55 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1993Jan3.153147.16677@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

# The dialect is a handicap (albeit a small one) but since no one is
# conscious of this handicap (including the teacher) they start the
# kids off on the wrong foot.  I don't think that special books are
# needed, just a little extra very explicit advice to the kids about
# the new grammar that they need to be conscious of. (this is
# reminicient of how you teach kids a foreign language... grammar is
# mentioned from the beginning)  Usually, when everyone speaks the
# same dialect and grammar this is never mentioned and the teacher
# expects it to come naturally (unconsciously).  When it doesn't come
# naturally the teacher says the kids must be stupid!

It *should* come naturally.  The question is, why doesn't it?  I
wonder how much of a role the intense pressure not to "sound white"
plays in these kids' failure.

# Here's my personal story with this.  I read perfectly well, but I
# had a teacher who spoke with a Boston-Hahvahd accent (and my accent
# is midwestern, suitable for newscasters) who insisted that I
# emulate his accent...but he didn't tell me that precisely.  When I
# read outloud he'd stop me and scream WRONG; point to some word and
# scream "say it, say it" I would repeat the word and he'd scream
# more and more that I was stupid and couldn't even read right.  I
# got abused that by today's standards would probably constitute a
# lawsuit.  Anyway, after about 3 weeks I realized that he wanted me
# to *pronounce* the words as he said them, rather than merely read
# them.  It was really frightening.

This is why I'm not totally against capital punishment.

# But perhaps some of this may be of value to parents who happen to
# be reading this newsgroup.

Well, the problem is that children of middle-class black parents --
those who are likely to be reading the news -- already do more or less
as well as children of middle-class whites.  I think the real question
is whether it's possible for children to thrive in school, even in a
decent school, if their parents and peers don't actively support them.

# I only wanted to make a *concrete* suggestion.

Don't get discouraged!  Someone may actually notice a sensible
suggestion amidst all the noise on s.c.a.a.

David
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 16:58:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Here's an open ended one - what does Malcolm x mean to you? 

Is it a X cap and shirt? Is it dissing white people?

To me, a conservative Asian American, it means a man who proves that 
people can change for the better, and people who are destructive criminals
don't have to live that way. He stands against crime and murder, and if
every African America really followed X's advice, East Palo Alto wouldn't
be the murder capital of America, or the the Bay Area's drive thru
drug market. It seems sad that a man whose message was to study hard, work
hard, and stay out of trouble seems to be the symbol of anything but that.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1993Jan6.205049.16496@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
	<1993Jan8.140439.12779@nynexst.com>
	<1993Jan8.205613.568@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:18:06 GMT

   ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:

   a vietnamese person told me that vietnamese people came to hate black
   people because during french colonialism africans served as soldiers
   in the french army there.  he said that some of them raped and killed
   vietnamese people.  

This seems like a pretty bogus theory to me.  It's much too convenient
to say that racism was "caused" by the actions of soldiers in colonial
times.  

   from my perspective, however, i see
   african-americans dying during the vietnam war in disproportionate
   numbers only to have vietnamese refugees come here with racist
   attitudes against black people.  to me it looks like *major*
   ingratitude.  

Expecting Vietnamese refugees to be grateful for what Americans of any
color did to their country is a little naive.  Maybe you need to look
a little more closely at what happened in Vietnam and why.  It's not
pretty.  

   after all, if some vietnamese would hate black people
   because of the actions of some african soldiers during french
   colonialism, then i don't understand why they don't hate white people
   more than black people.

Heh heh heh, maybe they do and they just hide it :-).  After all,
white people have the power and the money in the U.S.  

But I think your point is right in demolishing the "colonial soldiers"
theory for Vietnamese racism.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa,soc
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:24:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.202713.29249@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.120856.16695@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>
>>I know that we can all have some pretty strong suspicions
>>about his charater; but we have no moral right or logical
>>basis to make such an attack/judgement.
>
>Isn't it funny that those who accuse me of overgeneralizing, will post
>in another article about "White America" is racist? (Sure, there are
>racist parts in America, but it's not just White and not every white
>is racist.) 
>
>Now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming.. 
>
>  --Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.5--
  
I must say that it sure is good to see Steve standing up and defending those
helpless white people. You know without you, I don't think that whites could
speak for themselves. :)
     I see that Mr. Chaney might be Super Negro ! Defender of those good natured
white folks that don't trip because ole Steve wants to date their daughter.
Super Negro, mild mannered Mr. Chaney, just wants to show the good ole white 
folks that not ALL of us want to help out the African American community. He
just wants to put them at ease.... Thanks Steve....

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:11:57 GMT

In article <C0KE3q.F84@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.140439.12779@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.205049.16496@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>
>First I would like to give a round of applause to Arthur Hu for all he has
>done. I believe there is nothing wrong in his attitude, and that people are
>simply too critical of him to actually analyze his messages.
>
maybe so, but i don't think that everyone in this newsgroup had preconceived
notions about him ab initio.  however, his logic is frequently quite poor
and after a while it is understandable [based upon past history] that
some would come to view him as being somewhat of a village idiot.

>Now, a few unlucky combinations opened up this racism:
>1> blacks are not "in power"
>2> blacks are very suspicious of asians, and are very open about it
>(personally I have never been called names by euro-americans. of course, there
>are many euro-american racists, but I suppose they simply chose to avoid
>pointless verbal arguments)
>Because of this, most asians "dislike" blacks. Note that some of these asians
>dislike blacks only because they feel they're threatened, while others (like
>the first-generation asian immigrants) have outright racist feelings because
>of their culture.
>(note: 60% of Asian Americans are first-generation immigrants)
>
this doesn't all hang together; you say that most asian-americans "dislike"
blacks because of how they were treated by black people in this country.
on the other hand, you say that most asian-americans are immigrants who
bring their racist views [conveniently targeted toward black people]
with them.  if i were to do the "2 + 2" on this i would conclude that most
asian-americans wouldn't like black people *regardless* of what any black
person does.  can you start to undstand, then, how black people can
resent asians/asian-americans?

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From: sun@cco.caltech.edu (Neal K. Chaudhary)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Watching TV
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:03:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Just watching some TV recently and I noticed that it seems like the
racial barrier has increased from about 5-10 years ago even on TV.
Seems like all the commercials are white people, except for your
occasional tree-planter with a sweaty shirt, and it seems like all the
shows are either all white or all black or some artificial half black
half white family.   Except talk shows like Arsenio, which I think are
somewhat progressive since he seems to have some blacks and some
whites.  Also lethal weapon was good, atleast it was somewhat
realistic.  As a minority, I think that Blacks are very
underrepresented on TV, as if the TV execs forgot about them or wish
to.

Another strange thing was that here at Caltech this year we had twice
the number of Blacks admitted as the total from the past 4 years,
though during the past 4 years we had 1 Black woman undergrad and 
not more than 7-8 Black male undergrads, and from what I can tell,
less than 3-4 Black grads.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:48:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.210607.23330@cs.wm.edu> sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.202713.29249@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan6.120856.16695@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>|> 
>|>   --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>|>   --Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.5--
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>
>
>Ok, I am convinced.  Stephen Chaney is White. This note convinced me in light
>of his other postings.  Why do White people try to pass themselves off as
>Black with materials that are fit for the slave days, materials that are
>intrinsically racist thinking they might fool people?  Why?  Ah, the status
>quo continues as long as we (Black people) argue over useless things.  It's 
>red herring.

This is funny! He thinks I'm white! This is ignorance in its truest
form, not to mention generalization and stereotyping!

And you blamed ME for that? I was right all along... 


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