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From: mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: NYT Editorial: Britain shapes up in Hong Kong
Organization: AHKCUS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:54:56 GMT

Copyright 1992 The New York Times
October 10, 1992, Saturday, Late Edition -Final
Section 1; Page 20; Column 1; Editorial Desk
Britain shapes up in Hong Kong

Bravo for Christopher Patten, Hong Kong's new Governor.  He proposes an
imaginative reinterpretation of the colony's electoral ground rules to expand
democracy during the run-up to Beijing's resumption of sovereign control in
1997.  And it's clear he acts with the support of Britain's Prime Minister,
John Major.  At last, London addresses its responsibilities to Hong Kong.

Mr. Patten, a former Member of Parliament and Conservative Party chairman in
Britain, is a creature of democractic politics.  His open style and outgoing
personality mark a refreshing change from the remote Foreing Office
functionaries who preceded him.

So does his notion of how to prepare the colony for Chinese rule.  The
previous Governor, Sir David Wilson, worked for a smooth 'convergence," with
conditions on Britain's last day coming as close as possible to those on
China's first day.

One difficulty with that approach is that no one knows exactly what China's
political situation will be in 1997.  A more fundamental problem is that it
ignores Britain's duty to keep faith with its own democratic values, rather
than converge with the elusive thoughts of Deng Xiaoping.

Mr. Patten would keep that faith by expanding the franchise for electing the
colony's legislature.  The Basic Law, Chinese legislation that serves as a
kind of post-1997 constitution for Hong Kong, would fill only 20 of Hong
Kong's 60 legislative seats by popular vote.  Mr. Patten would significantly
broaden the electorate for 30 seats assigned to industry and professional
groups.  And he owuld form an electoral college for popularly elected
councilors to choose the remaining 10.

These chagnes require no modification of the Basic Law and are within the
colonial government's power to achieve.  Mr. Patten also promises to ask
Beijing for further changes to allow even greater democratization.  If China
resists, Britain could still decide to move forward on its own.

Despite Beijing's pained complaints about the Governor going public with his
program, it may eventually accommodate him.  As long as China's claim to
running Hong Kong after 1997 ramins secure, Beijing has little to gain and
much to lose by obstructing democratization of British rule.

In any case, Mr. Patten already deserves credit for clearly recognizing
Britain's duty to Hong Kong, and acting on it.
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From: lic2@vccnw04.its.rpi.edu (Chi-Cheung Li)
Subject: Friends
Reply-To: lic2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:14:51 GMT


I'd like to meet some alumni from Pu Ying Middle School.  Send an email to me.

lic2@rpi.edu
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:26:02 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

Ask all your friends if they are going to HK this Christmas not
to visit China.  Yes, that's right ask all tourists who are
visiting HK to boycott China.  Normally, tourists who visit HK
often take day trips into China.  We want to tell them to stay in
HK and not visit China.  I know it would hardly hurt China but
think of the publicity that it will raise.  

Our slogan is:

"Support democracy in HK, visit HK but don't go to China !"  

--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
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From: caminu@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu
Subject: About Gabriel "THE self-declared GENIUS" Chow
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:59:55 GMT

Did you know that Gabriel "THE self-declared GENIUS" Chow got 9 A(1)'s 
in the 1991 HKCEE?


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From: hongl@cs.tamu.edu (HL)
Subject: Re: Chow Yun Fat's first name
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:05:06 GMT

In article <98048@netnews.upenn.edu> gho@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grace Ho) writes:
>
>
>
>Hi.  I was wonderin....does anyone know what's 
>Chow Yun Fat's american name?  So far, someone
>told me that it was Robert but someone else
>told me it was Adam...who's right?
>thanks...
>
>Grace

It's Amen or Aman.  


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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:15:51 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov20.152555.11297@eng.ufl.edu> edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu writes:
>|>
>|> Nope.  It won't work.  China is not that dependent on tourists.
>|> I have a better idea, I hope.   Everyone in this group, please ask everybody
>|> in your sight in the next few years:
>|> ** DO NOT EAT THE CHINA-PLANTED RICE!!!!! **
>|> Ha ha, that will be quite a fatal blow!  And you know what?  Now we have to
>|> switch to Canadian and American rice.  Thus the demand for rice will increase
>|> and put a good kick to the weak economy!!!!!
>|> So all of you who couldn't get a job yet:  Don't eat Chinese rice!
>|> - Louis
>
>I don't think it would hurt them. May be 150 Bristish air-fighters will serve 
>your need. Make sure that we pay at least double of the original price.
>Please throw away your foreign passort and stay with us in case of conflicts.
>We are looking forward to fight with you together.
>Please don't run away from us when we need you the most!
>When you run away, make sure all of us have the same chance to do so.
>Also make sure that you stand in the front every times.
>Remember, not in back, OK! 
>


Oh come on, this is only a (bad) joke!


- Louis
From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Tik Yuen Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Vivian Chow
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:12:18 GMT
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article <1992Nov17.182329.29138@newstand.syr.edu> alvin@top.cis.syr.edu (Alvin Leung) writes:
>Who is she?  I have been away from HK and locked-up in my computer lab. for
>too long.  I saw her picture and want to know more about her.  Is she a singer
>or a actor.
>
>Alvin
>
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Ha Ha....You are wrong. She is not a singer nor an actor.
She is a singer-actRESS.

.
.
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From: "steven baldassarra" <steven.baldassarra@canrem.com>
Subject: the commercial by kcr
Reply-To: "steven baldassarra" <steven.baldassarra@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:06:00 EST

  To: John Ho

JH>  Newsgroup: soc.culture.hongkong
JH> Message-ID: <1992Nov11.155939.7128@jho.com>
JH>    Subject: The commercial by KCR (is ridiculous)

JH> A MTR subway train was approaching, halfway into the station
JH> at high speed.  It was a very crowded day and hundreds of
JH> people lined up behind the yellow line waiting for the
JH> train to come to a complete stop.  Suddenly, the train driver
JH> saw a woman, dress in red, broke out from the crowd
JH> and jumped into the rail line.  The driver stepped on the
JH> brake immediately and people were screaming for what they had
JH> seen.  The train finally came to a full stop and fire dept was
JH> called in.  The officials began the rescue operation and
JH> the entire subway system was shut down.  They searched and
JH> searched and they found nothing.  They finally lifted up
JH> the train one by one and to everybody dismay, no body was
JH> found.  Not even a trace of that woman in red.  People
JH> swore by what they had seen and the descriptions they
JH> provided matched what the driver said he saw from the cockpit.

  They did find the body later, didn't they?
  However, I think the ghost in the "KCR" commercial is a hoax.

JH>--
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JH>Subject: Re: The commercial by KCR (is ridiculous)
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From: karkam@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kar Kam)
Subject: Wennies re TRASHED!!
Keywords:  Wennies
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:48:36 GMT

What a runaway in the 95th Big Game!

Wennies re just trashed back home across the bridge by 41-21 !! 
(some nice desperate on-side kicks though)

Yes, GO CARDINALS !!!

DKam

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From: tung031@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Tung Wai Yip)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:58:32 GMT

iu051@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:

>But how? We did not initiates the political reform.  If we do so, we should
>at least ask for the right to select our own GOVERNOR!!

Yes I absolutely agree with you that we should elect our governor. But before
we have this right, I don't mind we concentrate on the immediate problem 
of the 1995 election first. Although, Pattern's proposal is only a very small
step toward democracy, I do admire that he's proposal is conform with 
Basic Law. Support him doesn't mean we give up the right to elect the governor,
right?
 
>think so?   On the other hand, if Pattern wins, I think 99% of the HK's
>reserve will go to the pockets of the British companies.

What is the justification of your argument? Patterns wins --> more democracy
in Legco --> 99% of the HK's reserve will go to the pockets of the British
companies???

In fact, I think the elected councilor have done a very good job in 
auditing government's expenditure and maintaining people's living 
standard. It's the first time govenment's financal plan has been 
challenged in Legco for it didn't lower the income tax even with last 
year's big revenue. They question the government for over-expenditure 
in building UST. They criticise the government for wasting 100 million 
in building Tai Lo Shan Tunnel because of the mistake in the contract. 
There are numerous cases to show that Legco has spend great effort to 
audit government's expenditure. And most important, legco exert great 
pressure to monitor the airport project. I don't see all these is 
possible without those elected members. If this legco is 80's legco, 
they will just pass everything without all these debate. 

I definitely not agree with you that more democracy in legco --> 99% of 
the HK's reserve will go to the pockets of the British companies.

>K.F. Iu

Tung wai yip
From: wkau+@cs.cmu.edu (Wing Keung F Au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: musings on relationships (was: Re: Crossing the Line )
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.By1HH1.Ert.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Nov19.220053.5174@shearson.com> wcheung@shearson.com writes:
>hi fred!
>hmmm. many guys seem to hold approximately the same opinion here about all
>the preceived wrongs and injustices done to them by the opposite sex.

hmmmnnn, i didn't mean "wrongs and injustices" by default, i am the
type that can't parse what women say.  so i have decided to trash
the old worn out parser module and intended to live without such a
routine for the time being  8-)

> ...
>one could not make generalizations about all females ( unless one has a super-
>cooled flame retardant gear on and many buckets of water on hand ). i think

but i have seen many hk ladies (college and college bound, no pun
intended, but just happened that i bumpeed into many of those whereever
i went)  who are free riders in their relationships, sure, i have seen
some exceptions, but the proportion is alarming...

>most of the problems stems from a failure to properly communicate with
>one another. femalese is syntaxically and grammatically similar to malese
>in many respects. however, there are major differences in the subtle
>nuances of femalese, nuances that just could not be translated into malese
>because such concepts are extremely difficult to comprehend.
>would any fluent femalese speakers help this poor soul out and aid him in
>learning
>the subtle nuances of femalese ? :)

thanx in advance, sincerely, honestly, truly, .....

>from my experiences, (as pitiful as it may be) females seem to have a
>different preception on social interactions than guys. just to plays
>devil's advocate for a moment, the way females (damn! what is a good
>word to use without sounding so cold but at the same time non-derogatory
>?) think might be in response to a male oriented world. i am not a
>sociologist but it could be an interesting premise. 
>then again, maybe females have different goals than guys. (no! really ?)
>i think guys to this day have not figured out what females are looking
>for. so, ladies care to shed some light on the matter ? inquiring male
>asian minds want to know!
>...
>meeting people is one thing, meeting people in an atmosphere that is
>conducive >o conversation and discussion is a whole 'nother matter.
>one of the biggest problems is knowing where to go to if one wants to
>meet people. for this reason, 

also true...unless some other interesting parties join in (eg, female
readers/writers) or some particularly interesting remark pops up, i
will call it quit, and if you want to email me, that is fine as well...

hmmnn, may be once gather enough data, we can write a book on dating
among asians in nyc, and make big bucks!!!

-- 

				    FRed W. Au
				    ...!cmu.edu!au+, au+@cmu.edu
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From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Subject: Re: HK ID Card question
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:36:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.041842.7347@syacus.acus.oz.au> andrewho@syacus.acus.oz.au (Andrew Ho) writes:
>
>Lets turn the question around : what will happen to the residency of
>the man in HK if he was a resident of HK and he is having a foreign
>citizenship ?
>
>I know that if the man is still holding his old HK ID card, nothing
>will change. But if he applies the card again in HK, then he will lost
>his permanent residency in HK, which means that he won't have the
>"***" appear in his HK ID and he cannot use it to enter/leave HK as
>he did before. But he is still eligible to apply for a BNO passport.
>It happens to one of my friend. 
>
>andrew ho
>

Sorry andrew, i don't understand this, why does one need to apply the ID
card again if he/she still holding the old ID card?

Fran



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From: pluto@stein.u.washington.edu (The Lonely Planet)
Subject: Re: KCR and ...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.214719.27482@cis.ohio-state.edu> cheung@second.cis.ohio-state.edu (SUN-WING CHEUNG) writes:
>
>>> It is not surprising that a lot of us do not know what KCR is.  I for one,
>>> did not konw.  That was because I left Hong Kong about 17 years ago.  
>
>>But KCR has been there for about 100 years.
>
>Well, I think it is not the question how long KCR has been founded, but how long has somebody left Hong Kong. The reason that we (guys from Hong Kong) know KCR is that we saw the commercial of KCR everyday in Hon Kong. Think something like this, maybe you may ask somebody what MTR is, if you stay here for twnety year. Also, I think another possible answer is that they left when they were young. Let go back to the childhood now. If I had asked you at that time the same question, would you really be ab
>
>
>
>answer the same question.
>
>Cheung, sun-wing
> 
       When I left HK 5 years ago, I don't think I have heard
       someone calling it KCR and neither have I seen their
       commercial in last five years.
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: cantonese songs
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:57:33 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


In article <4833@equinox.unr.edu>, chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.184106.44685@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>For me, i Usually Can't type like that w/o Kit-kat.  another rightious person
>>who is anti-freedom-of-speech.  Whatever!  
>>
> 
> nephilim, another person who abuses "FREEDOM-OF-SPEECH". Sorry for
> wasting bandwith for other netters. I won't waste time on this any
> more.

How do you draw a line between abusing and not abusing Freedom-of-speech?

Two-live Crew likes to sing dirty stuff, so what?  

> 
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Join Pang International Network Club! (was Re: YCKMC Alumni Club)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:40:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <By7FLJ.CH7@nic.umass.edu> pang@titan.ucc.umass.edu (pang) writes:
>
>With so many Mr and Ms Pang living in Internet, wouldn't it be a splendid
>idea to form a Pang International Network Club?? I personally have seen more
>Pangs in Internet than real life! What do you think, my brothers and sisters??
>
>please send inquiry to pang@titan.ucc.umass.edu
>
>Pang International Network Club 
>Founder:  Pang, Joe                 pang@heaven.com
>Honary President: Pang, Ding Hong   pang@government.hk
>President Pro Temp: Pang, Hok Kan   pang@umass.edu
>other positions to be filled
>

Excuse me, are you for real?  I am more interested in organizing the
FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY UNDERGROUND LIBERAL FRONTS (sort of the extreme folks in
the Middle East, you know...).  Or may be ILHC (International Loony Hearts
Club), or may be even HKSA (Hong Kong Sacratic Association).

Just got another core dump from my brain again (Louis Dumb-heck, the Computer
Inside), I am sorry...

I suck, therefore I am.


- Louis Pang


P.S. For those who may not know: "pang" means extreme pain in English (check
     your Webster or Ox)
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HongKong should have a democratic government NOW!
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:36:26 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
[In regards to the new airport...]

>Reason:  Most HK people (esp. those who are rich and famed) like to show-off.
>         $100 billions for an airport?  Come on!

>	 Interesting enough, a large no. of HK people think that the
>         technologies at HK are much better than that in US simply because the
>         stuff HK built are more hi-tech fancy.  How dumb.

>Reason:  Politics.  Grant the contracts to the British folks, who definitely
>         over-charge everything.  Even without over-charging, the $$ invloved
>         would still put a kick to UK economy.

>         Don't let nutriutious water flow to other's soil.  Nuff said.

>Reason:  In addition to the above two points, UK wanna make HK people have
>         more faith and confidence after 1997.  You know, if HK is shit after
>         1997, why bother investing all these $$?

Actually, building the new airport might actually help Hong Kong...
True, we are spending a lot of money... yet, we may be able to attract some
foreign investors to invest money in Hong Kong... or at least we can 
encourage foreign engineerings firms to stay in Hong Kong to build stuff...


>Good things take time to come.  There is no rush.  A Johanny-come-lately is
>much better than a state of chaos.  So I sincerely wish any of you best luck
>of all if you're the people who fight for democracy.  I'd also wish you take
>your time and don't push too hard.  The dilemma we're dealing with is much
>much tougher than most of you think.

I agree.  Just curious, why "you?"  why not "us?"  This is not meant  to be
a flame.  I am hoping to start a meanful and constructive discussions...
what should we do next?  where should we go from here?

>- Louis

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: Washington Post Editorial: Democracy in Hong Kong
Organization: AHKCUS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:38:44 GMT

Copyright 1992 The Washington Post
November 12, 1992 Final Edition  Editorial Pg. 20
Democracy in Hong Kong

        The British are doing what they should do to prepare Hong Kong for
being handed back to China in 1997.  They are proposing to heavy up the
democratic components of the colony's governance, the better to ensure that
the democratic aspirations of its 6 million residents will not be swamped by
reversion to authoritarian Chinese rule.  Not that the new proposals would
make Hong Kong democratic in a Western sense.  But there was less democratic
procedure in the relevant British-Chinese hand-over accord than previous
governments in London had used.  Prime Minister John Major's man in Hong Kong,
Christoper Patten, is now trying to change this.
        The new governor is described as the first practicing politician to
hold the post in Britain's 150 years in Hong Kong.  His predecessors tended to
be China hands, who, once the handover was set, believed it would go most
smoothly by accommodating Beijing.  But as a politician, Mr. Patten seems more
interested in expanding Hong Kong's practical embrace of democracy.  He means
to use Hong KOng's immense economic value to China in order to bargain on his
proposals, not to offer China preshrunk concessions.
        China's aged leaders, unaccustomed to such democratic sass, are
vigorously abusing Mr. Patten adn threatening economic reprisal.  Some Hong
Kong Chinese, including businessmen, are jittery; they prefer a transition
quietly arranged between the leading people on both sides.  But the broad
public approves of what Gov. Patten is doing by more than 70 percent.
        It is being said that the current fuss threathens the smoothness of
the 1997 transition. But this is not a mark against Mr. Patten's policy; it is
a recommendation for it.  Previously Hong Kong was proceeding smoothly into
China' tight grip.  Now China is being called upon to relax its grip.  The
British are not going back on their obligation to Beijing.  Theya re going
forward on their obligation to the people of Hong Kong. China wnats
smoothness? What better way than to receive a territory that is clicking
economically and is not seething in resistance to undemocratic political
structure thrust upon it? People who value democracy should not make excuses
for Beijing to take it away from Hong Kong.
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