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From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Fender Amp
Summary: Playin them "new" old amps
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:35:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr10.173730.20247@cco.caltech.edu>, marc@cs.caltech.edu (Marc I. Pomerantz) writes:
> 
> Does anyone have any info about those new Fender reissue amps?
> Specifically, I am looking at the '63 reissue Vibroverb amp.  If
> anyone has one or has played through one let me know what you think,
> and what a fair price on a new one might be.
> 
> thanks

This seems to be my day to respond. I am presently playing thru a 59 Bassman
reissue. And the tones is getting better and better as time goes on. I have
played the Vibroverb reissue on several occasions and have spent about 3-4
hours with that amp.

The Vibroverb reissue is a 40 watt 2X10 amp with reverb and tremelo. The
Vibroverb was the first amp Fender introduced with "built in reverb". Up
untill that time the reverb units had been external. The thing that is diff
about this amp, is the way the reverb circuit was implamented. The reverb
circuit is a actual gain stage in this amp. The design was quickly changed
to what is now the standard Fender reverb cicuit. Some vintage collectors feel
that the Vibroverb has the best sounding reverb of any Fender amps. I do not
know if the current resissue implaments the reverb as a actual gain stage. it
would be easy to find out as all Fender reissue amps come with schematics.

The first time I played the Vibroverb reissue it was in Nashville. It was
in a upscale store that had the amp displayed in a room with wood floors and
walls. The amp was in a corner and kicked back on the tilt legs. I plug in
a new Strat Plus with gold Lace Sensors. The amp was great. It was clear and
warm, with that Fender sparkle on the top end. The reverb sounded great. I
actually got to crank it up for about 5 minutes and the amp performed as one
would expect a legend. 

The second time I played the amp I was in a room that had carpeted floor an
walls covered with a lot of guitars. This was in Illinois. This Vibroverb
sounded like shit! I tried for a long time to get the amp to sound good, but
it just wasnt happinin. I concluded it must have been the acoustics of the
room in the Nashville store. Oh I bought a Peavey Classic 50.

Steve
Doin That Blues ThAng!
Come on down to the Sippin E-Z
From: v562f9vy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Wolverine)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: 50 Best Guitar Albums Poll
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



I am going to put together a list of the top 50 guitar albums of
all time, and I need your input.  I want to know exactly what 50
albums you would say had the most impact on the style of music
that you play.  If you think 50 is too much, I will take a list
of any size, but please do not exceed 50.  I will publish the
results after I receive a reasonable amount of entries (50
or so).  Thanks in advance for your co-operation.


                                  Wolverine


P.S.  my e-mail is <v562f9vy@ubvms.bitnet>
Please mail to me instead of posting.  You may do both, but please
send me a copy.
From: jnelson@lonestar.utsa.edu (John P. Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Sweet Child O' Mine
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:18:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Apr9.211842.5789
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Sweet Child O' Mine
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Keywords:
From: gray@celia.UUCP (Steve Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Out of tune related to heavier strings?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:45:11 GMT
Reply-To: celia!gray@usc.edu (Steve Gray)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

When you put heavier strings on a whammy bar set up you need to tighten the
springs.  There are two ways to do this.  The springs are attached to a piece
of metal which screws in to the body.  To see this remove the cover on the
back of the guitar.  Usually, the screws are not screwed all the way in the
body allow for adjustment of the tension on the whammy by screwing them 
farther into the body (or loosening them some).  Going from 8's to 10's may
cause too much of a change for this method and you may have add an additional
spring.  I suspect you can get the appropriate spring at a hardware store
(though I'm sure your local music store will sell you an "official" one for
much more than its worth).  I use 9's and have 3 springs on both my guitars
with Floyd Rose systems on them and my one with a Kahler on it.

My solution to the parts question is that I have an extra Floyd Rose that I
canabalize parts from as the others develop problems (kind of expensive but
well worth if having something fail when you're far from home is not 
acceptable).
From: indigo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Adam Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: CHORDS!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:39:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32288


In <1992Apr7.193259.21982@src.honeywell.com> koontz@iasdv1.iasd.honeywell.com (Sean C. Koontz) writes:

>Can somebody please explain what the "sus" means and how to interpret
>it when seen in a chord designation?  For example, how do I play a 
>Asus4?  Also, what does it mean to write A/C#?  Maybe somebody could
>post a listing of all the chord syntax and how to interpret and map it
>to a specific fingering.

>Sean "koontz@iasdv1.iasd.honeywell.com"

   Whenever a chord has "sus" in it, that means you don't play the third.
So in an AsusX, you wouldn't play the C#.  The number after the "sus" tells
you another note that you should add to the chord.  An Asus2 or Asus9 means
play a B, but no C#.  If there is no number after the "sus", it means play
the 4th.  Think of an Asus or Asus4 as raising the 3rd (C#) up one half step
to the 4th (D).  (Sus is an abbreviation for suspended...)  An A7sus is an 
A7 chord with the C# raised to D.  Does any of this make sense?....
Here's some examples:
A: A C# E
A7: A C# E G
Asus2 or Asus9: A B E (or A E B)
Asus or Asus4: A D E
A7sus or A7sus4: A D E G

Some fingerings for widely used "sus" chords:
Asus: x02230
A7sus: x02030 (a chord in "Wish You Were Here")
Dsus: xx0233 (very common chord)
D7sus: xx0213 (opening chord of "A Hard Day's Night")
Esus: 022200
E7sus: 020200
Csus: x33011

   About those "/"'s in chords: that's easy.  "A/C#" means an A chord with 
a C# bass note.  In playing the chords on the guitar, those bass notes often
don't make a whole lot of difference unless the bass is a note that doesn't
normally go with that chord, such as "A/G#" or "A/B".  These goofy bass notes
can also be important in playing parts with running bass lines, such as:
G | G/F# | Em .

   I hope this helps...

==-=--=---=----=-----=-------=---------=---------=-------=-----=----=---=--=-==
Adam Schneider     indigo@ucscb.ucsc.edu     U.C. Santa Cruz     (408) 457-2172
             "Your actions will follow you full circle 'round..."
==-=--=---=----=-----=-------=---------=---------=-------=-----=----=---=--=-==
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar pickups (was Re: Hondo II?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:29:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: dale.1992Apr15.182924.3799
Organization: NASA

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. writes
> 
> I put a Dean Markley pickup in the soundhole of my Yamaha 6-string
> once and absolutely loved the sound.  It still sounded like _my_
> acoustic guitar (and I _really_ like the sound of that particular
> guitar -- played by other people as well as by myself).  I was quite
> impressed.  I got my amplification without worrying about a microphone,
> and didn't have to sacrifice anything.
> 

  Very interesting.  Which model Yamaha do you have, Glenn?  I have an  
FG-470SA, and I absolutely love it.  I would like to get a pickup for it, but  
have really no idea where to start.  Of course, I would like to maintain a rich  
acoustic tone.  Any suggestions?

Regards,

Steve Davis
Kennedy Space Center, FL
internet: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: CHORDS!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:10:44 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Apr8.171357.6918@news.larc.nasa.gov> goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich) writes:
>|> In article <32288@darkstar.ucsc.edu> indigo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Adam Schneider) writes:
%% How about the following chord?
%% 
%%     E 3
%%     B 3
%%     G 0
%%     D 2
%%     A 2
%%     E 0
%% 
%
%Well, of course, this chord can be played by strumming all strings
%unfretted, and is conventionally known as an Em11,
%"E minor 11th". EGB is the E minor triad, D the b7 and A the 4th.
%BTW 11th also would imply optional inclusion of the b7 and/or 9. Of course
%you must understand that classical music theory ( triads and diatonic
%scales ) was empirically derived and by convention we don't say 
%"E minor sus", but Em11 instead.
%
%
%...mike

Well, of course this would be true if there were an "A" being played,
but there's not!  The notes here are E B E G D G.  Again, this is an
E minor 7.  By the way, those of us in jazz theory have no problem with
saying "E minor sus".

Nice explaination anyway, Mike! :-)

Bruce


-- 
Bruce Dumes			| "Bruce is too obsessed with the Beatles"   |
Stratus Computer, Inc.		|   --comment on report card from Spring '64 |
bad@sw.stratus.com              
508-460-2816
From: adr9@aber.ac.uk (Ade Rixon)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Sisters of Mercy
Summary: Ofra Haza story
Keywords: Sisters, Ofra
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:40:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr8.125104.5274@newcastle.ac.uk> T.Moore@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony Moore) writes:
>  The "Temple of Love 1992" comes out Apr.13 (this has been said before I
>know). I actually heard this at a club on Monday night and it doesn't sound too
>different , apart from the input from Ofra Haza (this is NOT a joke!). One
>music paper even claims the single has the subtitle "Touched By The Hand Of
>Ofra Haza" ! (This MAY be a joke). All formats include remixes of "Vision
>Thing" tracks.

I too heard that Ofra Haza appears on the single (she has a new solo
single out herself at the moment). This is an interesting link to something
Eldritch said in a NME interview back when Vision Thing came out:
	[talking about women]: "...The record company is still keeping
	 me apart from Ofra Haza"
Obviously they relented. :-)

>and an interview with Wayne Hussey, talking about the Mission's new dance
>direction.

Heard their new single the other week - bloody awful. Surely the dance
craze is out of date by now?

Ade.
-- 
| Ade "A.D." Rixon          / "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped,          |
| Janet: adr9@uk.ac.aber    /  indexed, briefed, debriefed or                 |
| CS Dept, Aberystwyth UCW, /  NUMBERED! My life is my own."	              |
| Dyfed, Wales.             /  			- The Prisoner	              |
From: ez006882@rocky.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: free LUSH concert
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:59:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Did anyone from the Bay Area go to the free LUSH concert today (14-04-92) in
San FRancisco's Union Square? I taped most all of it but missed the last two
songs (encores). If any of you reading this are one of the many people who
taped the whole show , or better yet if you were one of the many with video-cams,
please write me.
-clif
From: umage@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Morticia Lungbark)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: The world is a good or bad place ?
Summary: Is the world a good place or a bad place to be ?
Keywords: morality life chaos love cat
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:43:03 GMT


 am curious in the opinions of this group;

One can see from the title what my question is, so i will rephrase it thus:
Is the generall person better off living here on Planet Earth, or never
being born ?
	i assert that most people would be happier in nonexistence.
Yes, there are exceptions, i don't ignore the people who are really happy
and find true love and thrive and all that; but it seems their numbers are
so few that thr probability of being one of them is really small, so i am kindof
stuck weighing the slight chance of happiness against the rest of this place,
			i'm torn.

if you have time, i'm curious in your ideas.
mage
From: karim@ecst.csuchico.edu (Karim B. Sanjabi)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The world is a good or bad place ?
Keywords: morality life chaos love = no tv
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:03:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecst.1992Apr08.230328.22653
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Apr08.183716.167107@zeus.calpoly.edu> tcrooks@zeus.calpoly.edu (Timothy A. Crooks) writes:
>	In reference to what was and will be, our tv's should be burned.
>In their place will follow a monitor for chosen films and videos. This
>would destroy the industry from crap programming for advertizing.
>	Now I know we'll never get rid of ads, but let's free the thousands
>linked forever hopelessly to "the tube"
>
>	timmin

  If the choice 'system' that I believe you are talking about were to come
around, and I think it will, do you really beleive that the same advertising
that we see now will not be included?  The crap programming that is here
now, is here for a reason...we buy it.

          KARIM
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Gothlist and sarcasm..
Keywords: subscriptions
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:56:39 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr10.183216.3034@mcs.anl.gov> sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.221528.5818@sbcs.sunysb.edu> ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.181708.18387@mcs.anl.gov> sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso) writes:
>>>
>>>I'm new to this group and appear to have come in at a rather interesting
>>>point.  Question:  What is Corey's GothList?  How do I get it?  And who
>>>the hell is Corey?
>>it's a list of goths, duh. :-) you get it by waiting for the first
>>of the month or e-mailing me. and who am i? self-appointed resident
>>know-it-all :-)
>Excuse me for being vague, but what I meant to say was:
>Who is this Corey that he is appointed God-of-Goth's?  (If he is.)
If you look at the ':-)' This means sarcasm. Corey is no friggin' God of Goths.
Please learn to take a joke.
>Does this group rigidly follow this GothList as a rule?
Like Hell.
It's just a list of bands that 'could' be considered gothic.
It's just to give people a list of similar bands of the same genre.
BTW Corey add 'Paradise Lost' to the list. Sound like the Neph gone trash.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~                        "In Fear of Fear"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Where's your morals?? Lost with your mind??
 Your head must be where the sun don't shine..." --Babes in Toyland
From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Rough work on the Nephilim.
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:21:31 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory

In article <1992Apr8.224453.744@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:
>
>>        And I'm dreaming of [Kthulthu]
>
>I believe the spelling on that is Cthulhu.
>Though I've seen it spelled differently in other places
>I trust that H. P. Lovecraft has the correct one.
>
>-- 

The spelling is easy.  Who knows how to pronounce it?

HPL claimed that it was pronounced kuh-tuh-loo-huh-loo.
Though Chaosium claims that it is kuh-thool-hoo.

Now for an encore, how does one pronounce Nyarlathotep?

								JFS


-- 
"The only way to true inspiration is the study of TedDo.  And lots
of MauMau, of course."  The Elvis Lectures
"I am not the False Bob, I am a free man."  The Book of FalseBobs
"Since the introduction of MauMau, HP sales have skyrocketed." Book of MauMau
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin)
Subject: Re: Death In June
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:22:55 GMT

wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:

>I recently picked up a CD from this band about a year ago.  Though the
>lyrics and composition are simple, they are nevertheless very effective.
>In particular the lyrics.  I originally heard of this band off of a
>compilation called "Sacred War" containing works of those artists
>affiliated with Satan whorship.  Could anyone foward more info concerning
>this band or Satan whorship (in general, book titles woudl be good) to me.

	Death In June as far as I was aware is involved most strongly
with the reforming of Germany as a superpower. Their ensignia is the
6 and skull-and-crossbones of the Nazi-elite Death Corps. I assume
their name to be a euilogy to the fall of Germany in June (= #6 month).
They do not, however, seem interested in nazism, rather Germany as a 
nation. I am actually surprised to find them associated with satanic
references, as I have never encounterd anything having to do with that
in their works. Please tell more about this release. 
	Most of anything-but-newwest stuff is good, but their releases
tend to overlap. If you were to only buy one release, I recommend 
the Corn Years, as it is very close to a 'best-of'.
	As for the inquiry into satanism, you need to specify what aspects
you are interested in...philosophy, current cults, practice, history, etc.


  
                           and gold is king,
                                  long live death

		        	deadwolfkeiner

	                      deadwolf@uiuc.edu
	    	University of Illinois @ Cham/bana Illinois

			(A Meta-Theoretical Odinist)
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death In June
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:13:50 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr7.042310.29878@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:



>I recently picked up a CD from this band about a year ago.  Though the
>lyrics and composition are simple, they are nevertheless very effective.
>In particular the lyrics.  I originally heard of this band off of a
>compilation called "Sacred War" containing works of those artists
>affiliated with Satan whorship.
That's fine ....

>Could anyone foward more info concerning
>this band or Satan whorship (in general, book titles woudl be good) to me.
This is not what Goth is about. This news group is not for this.
You should be posting to alt.satinism (seriously) about this.
This is but my humble opinion.
I personally would be annoyed to find alt.gothic piling up with posts
on satanism , which do not belong in this newsgroup.

>thanx
I don't mean to be bitchy but everything in its rightful place.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~                        "In Fear of Fear"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Carrion child, prey for me, Play your wild card,
 See your house come down around your head..." -Sisters of Mercy- Possession
From: ez006882@rocky.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: bauhaus disc
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:35:36 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

I have a copy of this cd to get rid of:
Bauhaus: The Last Temptation, live 1983, 12 tracks 6/10 sound quality.
More details to those who respond.
-clif
From: pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The Cure (mailing lists)
Keywords: subscriptions
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:47:59 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

The Cure are not Gothic - have you not heard of the imtense hatred shown
to Cureheads by Goths?
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Subject: London Calling
Keywords: goth 
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:10:17 GMT

  Last Friday there was a crew filming at a club here in LA (DDT). We didn't 
know at the time, but it turns out that they were filming part of a segment for
the Montel Williams show. The actual taping took place yesterday (13 Apr), 
however I was unable to attend. London Calling were to be the guest on the 
show and when we were leaving the club people were handing out flyers to the
taping. They apparently wanted a lot of 'Goths' in the audience. Does anyone
happen to know when the air date is for the show?

-Daniel



Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: u0550bm@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Tony Imboden)
Subject: Re: Death In June
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.070134.22235@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr9.042255.12130@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, drk20509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mighty odin) writes:
>|> wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>
>Death in June seems to be interested in European folk mysticism -
>those seem to be the symbols they draw upon. I have read that there
>is no significance to the name `death in june' itself. The connection
>to `satanism' may be through their collaboration with members of 
>Current 93, specifically David Tibet. Who, in turn, draws upon 
>the works of A. Crowley (a self-proclaimed anti-Christ). Current 93 
>is a highly recommended band - check out the CD`s `Swastikas for Noddy'
>and `Dogs Blood Rising'.
>
>Thomas
>

i never considered any of these bands to be 'satanic'.  True, they take
A.C.'s ideas and use them....From what i understand, c93 takes quite a
bit from Icelandic yore...I've got lots of stuff by them and it seems
to change with the album/cd...Incidentally, does anyone have a complete
list of works by D.Tibet?  I've written them numerous times and trying
to get anything but a list of what's for sale is like squeezing blood 
from a turnip...thanks in advance.
i can be emailed at u0550bm@unx.ucc.okstate.edu.
..........................melyssa
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: The world is a good or bad place ?
Keywords: morality life chaos love cat
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:55:15 GMT


In article <umage.702592983@mcl> you write:
>
> am curious in the opinions of this group;
>
>One can see from the title what my question is, so i will rephrase it thus:
>Is the generall person better off living here on Planet Earth, or never
>being born ?

Having never not been born, I may not be qualified to answer this
question, but in the true tradition of the Net, I won't let my ignorance
keep me from posting. :-)

>	i assert that most people would be happier in nonexistence.

This assumes that there's a cosmic scale of happiness, against which
we can measure the 'average' human.  So that if the average person isn't
happy enough, non-existence would be preferable.

I think that happiness is relative.  We can only judge someone's happiness
against our own cultural references.  If we think that everyone is happier
than we are, we can only say that we _think_ that everyone else is
happier than we are.  'everyone' could be lying, and in fact I'd
bet that they are.  Unfortunately, our cultural references are MTV
and sitcoms, neither of which are based in reality.

>Yes, there are exceptions, i don't ignore the people who are really happy
>and find true love and thrive and all that; but it seems their numbers are
>so few that thr probability of being one of them is really small, so i am kindof
>stuck weighing the slight chance of happiness against the rest of this place,
>			i'm torn.


Maybe you should burn your tv set.



--
eric murray                                                ericm@microunity.com
        "life is short and love is always over in the morning
                black winds come carry me far away"