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Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
From: saevans@l_cae07.icaen.uiowa.edu (Scott A Evans,,,)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:38:50 GMT
Reply-To: saevans@icaen.uiowa.edu
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Originator: saevans@l_cae07

>      Also, there seems to be an amazing amount of ignorance all around. 
>   To put it very bluntly, only Hannah Storm is above average. The biggest
>   joker is Mr I'm-the-greatest-so-sucks-to-you Costas. He was terrible
.....
>   countries than their sporting talent. Never heard of Barcelona? Why, 
>   at least if they were ignorant of history, they *SHOULD* have known
>   that the World Cup Soccer competition was held there in 1982!!! ...
>   ...for, it is going to be held here in 1994 (GOD...NOOOOOOO). I bet that
>   Costas will be the commentator during the 1994 Cup and show his ignorance
>   again. "I had to search for Barcelona in my Atlas"...Indeed! 
> 
This is true.  However, you need to keep in mind that often times, what the
commentators say is not their own words, but that of other writers.  As an 
unrelated example, take political speeches.  Few of them are written totally
by the person giving the speech.  There are poeple out there who make good
money writing for others.  He (Costas) may be poor, but it's probably not all
his fault for the words that are coming out of his mouth.

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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Summary: Day 1, News
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:54:01 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



News from Day 1 of the Olympic Games:

There were 3 Olympic records set yesterday, all in swimming. The
Mens 100 metre breaststroke and 200 metre freestyle records fell, as
did the Womens 100 freestyle.

The 52kg Olympic record was tied in yesterdays finals.

Important Volleyball News: The FIVB overturned the US's victory over Japan
today. Japan had protested an apparent mis-call by referee Ramis Samedov
of Azerbaijan in game 4 of yesterdays match, in which he allowed play to
continue after Bob Samuelson of the US team had recieved a second yellow
card for unsportsmanlike conduct. The US, however, is still favoured to go
to the finals round.

In basketball, more people are talking about Sir Charles elbows than about
the game. Says Barkely "He hit me and I hit him. It's a ghetto thing. It's
part of the physical play of the game". Teammate Michael Jordan said "...it
(the elbow) didn't help what Charles did, but Charles is Charles".

Canadian sailor Murray Mccaig suffered a broken leg Sunday after being hit
by a police car in the Olympic Village. McCaig, 22, will not be able to
compete further.

r.
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: What is the time difference??
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:24:51 GMT

In article <l7b1f2INN7cu@earth.cs.utexas.edu> efisch@cs.utexas.edu (Eric A. Fisch) writes:
>Please excuse this "stupid" question, but what is the time difference
>between, say, US central time and Barcelona? How far "ahead" are the
>events actually taking place, compared to when they are on TV for the
>US?

Not a stupid question at all... I have spent a bit of time figuring it
out myself.  Barcelona is 2 hours ahead of GMT.  You, in Central
Daylight Time, are 5 hours behind GMT -- therefore, a seven hour
difference.  This is approximately the time difference for what you
see on NBC too, although there is sometimes as much as about 12 hours
elapsed between the competition and NBC's coverage.

For the record, Barcelona is 6 hours ahead of the east coast of the
US, and 9 ahead of the west.

Rachele

Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1132 soc.culture.british:10752
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:15:34 GMT
Organization: TMC
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Jul27.212707.29637@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum) writes:
|> 
|> This actually brings up an interesting question.  If someone wanted to
|> field a Scottish (or Californian) team, whose permission would they
|> have to get?  How did Guam go about setting up a team?

The IOC accepts or rejects teams purporting to represent a territory at
its discretion. 
The IOC is entirely independent in this, although it makes its decisions
with due regard to the political situation. For instance, in the case of
(a) South Africa (b) Yugoslavia, the IOC followed the UN resolution calling
for the severing of sports relations (in the case of Yugoslavia, it is
allowing Yugoslav athletes to compete as Yugoslavians, although the team as
such is not recognized.) The IOC also considers the opinions of the host
nation, although I can't recall any team being banned because the host
country wanted it.
In the case of Scotland, if an organisation would call itself the Scottish
National Olympic Committee, and obtain the recognition of the Scottish sports
organisations (the swimmers, the soccer players, and the chaps doing skeet
shooting), it could then apply for membership of the IOC. 
(Maybe I'm wildly out of it. There may BE a SNOC for all I know.)

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
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From: wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: VOLLEYBALL: Results Men, Pool A
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:09:14 GMT

roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca) writes:

>In article <6791@charon.cwi.nl> wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop) writes:
>>MEN POOL A

>>Matches 26-07:

>>Italy         - France : 1-3  (15-9; 5-15; 8-15; 2-15)
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> 
>>Italy           1  2   3-1
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>...
>>France          1  1   1-3
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

>Who really won? Italy or France?

>Please, clarify.

>Thanks a lot.

Oops, I'm sorry.

Italy did really win:

            France        - Italy  : 1-3  (15-9; 5-15; 8-15; 2-15) 
                                     ^^^

Italy           1  2   3-1
Spain           1  2   3-2
United States   1  2   3-2
Canada          1  1   2-3
Japan           1  1   2-3
France          1  1   1-3

Wouter Mettrop



Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.sport.volleyball
From: etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck)
Subject: Speed scores Re: Volleyball complaints (NOT US-Japan)
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:07:43 GMT

riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
:While watching the US-Japan volleyball game, I noticed a couple
:of things that bothered me (they are not related to the officiating).
: ... 
:Now, my main complaint - "Speed-scoring" in the fifth set.  Instead
:of only scoring points when you are serving, a point is awarded on
:every serve.  This forces teams to abruptly change their approach
:in the fifth set.  For example, you can't afford to take a chance on 
:a jump serve, because if you don't get the serve in, the other team
:gets a point.  If two teams have fought each other even through four
:sets, it seems wrong to suddenly change the rules for the deciding
:fifth set.  The only reason I can think of that "speed-scoring" would
:be introduced is to shorten the time required to play the set.  But,
:how much time is saved?  Surely, the amount of time saved is meager
:compared to the time of the entire match.  This is one rule we could
:do without.

I remember that there was a movement to alter the scoring system for
volleyball. The "speed scoring" format I heard though was that the winning
team got at least 30 points with a margin of 2 points. Points are awarded
regardless of service.

I agree though that the 17-point cap is a good idea. Sort of like the
tennis tiebreaker procedure (except that it isn't in play in the final set
of a Grand Slam Match ... except in the U.S. Open). I would've preferred a
higher limit like 20 or 21, but who can be that picky.

--
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BioSystems 26 (1992) 177-183. (3d author)
"Spending the taxpayers' money as I want." 
DISCLAIMER: You don't think I'd speak for the government, do you? 
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1320 rec.sport.volleyball:1558
From: bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu (Bruno Wolff III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Speed scores Re: Volleyball complaints (NOT US-Japan)
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:48:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Jul28.204802.17135
Reply-To: bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Jul28.200743.4872@alw.nih.gov>, by etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck):
> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
> :While watching the US-Japan volleyball game, I noticed a couple
> :of things that bothered me (they are not related to the officiating).
> : ... 
> :Now, my main complaint - "Speed-scoring" in the fifth set.  Instead
> :of only scoring points when you are serving, a point is awarded on
> :every serve.  This forces teams to abruptly change their approach
> :in the fifth set.  For example, you can't afford to take a chance on 
> :a jump serve, because if you don't get the serve in, the other team
> :gets a point.  If two teams have fought each other even through four

We had this discussion a while back. Rally scoring should have little effect
on how you play. The main affect of rally scoring is to shorten the game.
Because of the shorter game you may change some things around. For instance
you can be more liberal with your substitutions.
From: desjarly@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: PPV list, someone ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:56:13 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Hi !

Does someone have the PPV list of events show on TV ?

I know it was published on the New York Times, a week ago. I'd like to
have a copy of it, please.

Send it via email, please...

Thanks.

Lyne


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From: nazim@cwis.unomaha.edu (The Unknown)
Subject: Re: NBC's Commentators in Barcelona...
Keywords: olympics, commentators, NBC
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:51:47 GMT

yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:

>Since many people complain about NBC's commentators, I'll take a poll here.
>Give your comments on:

>  1. How is each commentator doing in each event? good, fair, poor.
>  2. Who is the best, worst in your viewing? Why?
>  3. How do you rate the commentators' overall quality?

>I'll post the result after I get enough votes.

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What are the questions for?, NBC hired a bunch of idiots for covering the
games, the biggest jerk among them is Costas, this guy doesn't know the
result of 1+1 but is a commentator for NBC...

Regards, Nazim.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:44:13 GMT

In article 4185@tamsun.tamu.edu, rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu (Greg Dilworth) writes:
>What I got annoyed with was the phenomenal number of commercials and
>(even worse) the breaks for local news.  I could care less about local
>news.  I want to see the Olympics!!
>

It's a sop to its affiliates, the local news breaks. This allows them to 
add their own spin to the coverage. Example: last night on WMAQ-TV in
Chicago, NBC's O&O, the Channel 5 News update had Mary Ann Ahern at the
home of Betty Okino's grandmother in Elmhurst. Also, they had their
own profile of swimmer Nelson Diehbel after he won gold.

I use the local breaks to call people, putter about, and deal with 
nature's call. I can usually squeeze all it in and be back in front
of the tube within 7 minues, just before they start coverage again.

Try it; you'd be amazed what you can do in 7 minutes per hour! :)

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) You ain't gonna shave my head!
From: u2112539@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Why's Zmeskal in trouble?Could somebody clarify?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:05:52 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Jul28.181341.7096@rtsg.mot.com>, whitsitt@rtsg.mot.com (Scott E. Whitsitt) writes:
> In article <151ch3INNh5d@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bubai@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (P.Chatterjee) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>It was shocking to see America's sweetheart,  Kim Zmeskal, have an unfortunate  fall at the 'beam. The NBC commentators kept mentioning that her qualification for the All-Around competition is in near jeopardy. Why so? How does it work? Is a 9.350 on just one apparatus enough to scuttle somebody's chances? What are thetechnicalities --- that is, how are the gymnasts for the All-Around selected? I'd appreciate if somebody would clarify.
>>
>>GO SHANNON; GO KIM !!!
> 
> As I understand it, in order to qualify for the all-around you must finish in the
> top 36 (which will probably not be a problem) AND you must be one of the top 3 or 4
> (I'm not sure) on your team (this is where her problem will be).

Each country is only allowed to have three competitors in the all-around, so
if three of Kim's teamates get higher scores then she will be forced out
even if she is in the top 36.
                                   `
Cheers
-Trevor

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Keywords: Barkley
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:52:00 GMT

jzku_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Joeski) writes:
>In <yzhou.712248144@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>>sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
>>>bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat) writes:
>>>>In article <val.712212490@marsh> val@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Valerie Hall) writes:
[...]

In a late-night replay of an interview with Karl Malone, Karl said he
was going to have a "talk" with Charles about his unprofessional
conduct.  From his comments I concluded the other US players see
Barkley's krap as unnecessary & likely to breed yet more of the
already strong negative comments regarding the so-called "dream team".

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From: aba@hp835.mitek.com (Binion Amerson)
Subject: Re: Cool Arrow Thing
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:23:17 GMT

In article <_nkmy+@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>Damn cool way to light the torch. Pretty awesome looking.
>
Yes, very impressive.  

But, it looked to me like the torch lit up as the flaming arrow passed _over_
and _beyond_ the torch.  The lighting was repeated several times and it sure 
looked like the arrow continued past the torch.  Did anyone else notice this?  

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: jpxu1@fnala.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:00:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.171013.3033@sol.UVic.CA>, asrini@sanjuan (Anand Srinivasan) writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.100406.23629@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul29.060526.27572@ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
>>
>>|> An estimated 2 BILLION people watched Pakistan defeat England in the 
>>|> Cricket World Cup in Melbourne earlier this year.  
>>
>>This is pretty rediculous. Do you realize the incredible disruptions that would
>>occur if this happened. I find it hard to believe that their have ever been
>>2 Billion people watching TV simultaneously.
>>
>>Jason W. Solinsky
> 
> please!!!  if you have not visited the Indian Sub-continent yet
> please do so, i invite you!!!  at an average there are atleast
> 5 to 6 viewers per TV when the cricket matches are being telecast.
> This is a very modest estimate.  It just brings life to a stand-still...
> 
> AS
> 
> 

There are only about 5 billion people around. 1 billion in China will not care
cricket a bit.  you will have to find every other one to watch tv to get 2 B.
and children and old folks are all included.  you figure this one out. :-)

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From: mshaw@ccu.umanitoba.ca (mike shaw)
Subject: The three day event for the US
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:38:02 GMT

There is a new 3 day event for the US team to enter at the Games.
The way to win the gold is to act like an asshole for three days.
So far it is a tie between Charles Barkley and team "ego" vs 
Bob Samuelson and team "conehead".

But it is not over yet.

When Carl and the rest of the "Drug Free" track team (NOT) get going
I am sure they will give the others a run for their money.

Good Luck to the whole US team.  I just know you all have it in you to
be world class ASSHOLES.


Mike Shaw
U of Manitoba <(This is in Canada for those of you in the States who are not
                up on world geography)


(go on, Flame me, I can take it).


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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 200m Breaststroke Heat 3
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:40:41 GMT

   Heat 3 
 1.  Petteri Lehtinen (Finland)			    2:20.27
 2.  Lee Patrick Concepcion (Philippines)           2:20.33
 3.  Mun Kit Desmond Koh (Singapore)                2:21.87
 4.  Kenneth Cawood (South Africa)                  2:21.88
 5.  Christophe Verdino (Monaco)                    2:23.33
 6.  Clifford Lyne (South Africa)                   2:25.66
 7.  Sultan Al-Otaibi (Kuwait)                      2:35.54
   Disqualified: Todd Torres Bost (Puerto Rico)

Rod Swift
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From: wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: VOLLEYBALL: Results Men, Pool A
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:23:52 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

MEN POOL A

27-06: Japanese team has protested against the result of the match
United States - Japan  : 3-2  (15-8; 11-15; 10-15; 17-16; 16-14)
Volleyballofficials now declare Japan won the match:
United States - Japan  : 1-3  (15-8; 11-15; 10-15; 13-15)

Italy           1  2   3-1
Japan           1  2   3-1
Spain           1  2   3-2
Canada          1  1   2-3
France          1  1   1-3
United States   1  1   1-3


Remaining matches:


28-07 United States - Canada.
      Japan         - France.
      Spain         - Italy.
30-07 Italy         - Japan.
      Canada        - France.
      United States - Spain.
01-08 Spain         - Japan.
      Canada        - Italy.
      United States - France.
03-08 Japan         - Canada.
      Spain         - France.
      United States - Italy.
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: GRECO-ROMAN WRESTLING: results - 48kg - FInal
Summary: results of final round of 48kg weight class
Keywords: greco-roman wrestling, olympics, 48kg
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:11:52 GMT
Expires: 10 Aug 92



Barcelona Olympics - Greco-Roman Wrestling
Wednesday July 29 1992 - Day 4 - Finals: 48kg

****** NOTE: I don't have the 5th & 6th round results. ******
****** If I get them, I will post them later.          ******

1 kg. = 2.2 lbs.
S = Superiority
G = Great superiority


=====================================================================
Final round:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Gold medal:
Oleg Koutcherenko (EUN)     def Vincenzo Maenza (ITA)    3-0

Bronze Medal:
Wilber Amita (CUB)          def Fuat Yidiz (GER)         5-0

5th place:
Iliuta Dascalescu (ROM)     def Reza Asil (IRN)          0-0 (abandoned)

7th place:
Lars Ronningen (NOR)        def Pappu Yadav (IND)        0-0 (abandoned)

9th place:
Masanori Ohashi (JPN)       def Mohammad Hassoun (SYR)   0-0 (abandoned)
=====================================================================
Final standings
---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Name                    Nat
-------------------------------
 1. Oleg Koutcherenko       EUN     <=== Gold
 2. Vincenzo Maenza         ITA     <=== Silver
 3. Wilber Amita            CUB     <=== Bronze
 4. Fuat Yildiz             GER
 5. Iliuta Dascalescu       ROM
 6. Reza Asil               IRN
 7. Lars Ronningen          NOR
 8. Pappu Yadav             IND
 9. Masanori Ohashi         JPN
10. Mohamad Hassoun         SYR
=====================================================================

    --mack

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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: MEDAL COUNT su 26.7.
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:17:02 GMT

In <1992Jul27.172528.22049@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.164836.8216@alw.nih.gov> josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Joshua (Summer student)) writes:
>>Could someone post the standings also. (i.e. how many points per gold, silver, and
>>bronze.  i'm pretty sure not all medals are weighted the same.)

>I don't think there is any official point system.  NBC lists the

In Olympics there is NO point system.  In some sports it is the best
eight and in some the best twelve, so it would be futile to combine them.

The official standings are in order of gold medals, then silver and
finaly bronze.  I will update the Total medal count to include countries
not having won a gold medal real soon now.
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