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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Need Tahoe Suggestions
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA

In article <643@dwp.la.ca.us>, carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep1.112058.3163@admin1.memst.edu> sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu writes:
|> >I will be taking my wife and 9 yr old to Tahoe this December for a 
|> >vacation, and I need some help.
|> >
|> >We are all beginner skiers and need suggestions regarding the best place
|> >to get private lessons and after the lessons, what areas to ski.
|> 
|> Well first off, don't fall prey to the bigger is better syndrome.  I'm
|> sure Heavenly, Squaw and Alpine have great beginner programs but you
|> will pay big time prices and rub shoulders with all those
|> unsympathetic advanced skiers too (no advanced shoulder rubbing at
|> Heavenly though).  There are plenty of smaller places were you will
|> probably be much more welcome and much better cared for.  Since I didn't
|> learn to ski in Tahoe I won't reccomend any specific places though.  Netters,
|> any suggestions?
|> 
I do like Squaw for beginners, but as you say small area can also be good.
Try Donner Ski Ranch.
From: mattb@ssc-vax (Matt Baney)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Big Mountain Montana New CHAIR LIFT
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Organization: Boeing Aerospace & Electronics


I heard a rumor that they are putting in a new chairlift
at Big Mountain (Whitefish, Montana)??  Anyone out there
know anything about it??  Where is it going??  How long??


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From: rg9538@ehsn3.cen.uiuc.edu (Ronald E Garnett)
Subject: Decent skiing near Kentucky
Summary: Looking for decent skiing near Kentucky
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:27:00 GMT

Hi.

   I have only been skiing once during a midnight ski at
Kentucky's Ski Butler State Park.  I had a really good
time and was wondering what the best slope in the area
was.  I can't afford to go to Colorado or Switzerland,
but I want to do some skiing during Christmas break.

Any suggestions??

Ron Garnett

P.S.  Do you tell an actor doing a ski scene to 
"break a leg?"


From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:09:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, patch@sequent.com (Pat Chewning) writes:

> Wouldn't that sign ("Advanced skiers only") be more useful at the top of the
> run than on the bottom?

 No, by then it may be too late. Unfortunately, we've proven time and time
 again that reading skills are not required before the area will sell you
 a ticket. In the early season, when there may be NO easy way down from
 KT-22, we've been known to stand at the bottom and *tell* people that
 "this lift is for experts only, there is *no* easy way down". We 
 *still* end up downloading people....

 ..glen


From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:29:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Winter Park, CO
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> Does Winter Park in an average Dec, get much snow?
> 
> My local ski club is planning a trip there in mid Dec
> and I would like to know if the resort would be worth
> the trip then.
> 

Take the trip.  It should be fine.

John

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Wolf Creek
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:10:15 GMT


Someone was asking about Wolf Creek.  (I tried before)  

First off:    Wolf Creek
              P.O. Box 1036
              Pagosa Springs, CO 81147

              (303) 731-5605

General remarks:

It is a long way from anywhere.  Albuquerque, NM is the closest city and
that is a six hour drive away.  It is small area with 4 chairs and 1500
ft of vertical.  It is good for early skiing and that is about it.  It
is often open by mid-October.  Pasgosa Springs is a resort town with 
ski/accomdation packages.  Call the number.

But unless you want to go way early in the year, since you are coming
so far, why not go to Telluride or Taos or Steamboat or Aspen/Snowmass
...the big destination resorts where there is more night life etc.
Telluride is the place to go if they have snow (which is not often) and
this is probably going to be a good snow year.  Jackson Hole is good
too.

                                 NCW
From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonny B.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO SKI WITH!
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:54:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <5807@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jfcst7+@pitt.edu (Joseph F Castagnino) writes:
>I will be skiing Holiday Valley New York almost everyday in september because
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
>that is my christmas break and would like to know if anyone would like to 
	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>join me for a day or more of sking....

	Christmas break in september? Do you mean december, or are you just 
getting into the spirit early?  :)
	I am at UB, and will be skiing whenever there is snow and I do not have
class....or maybe even if I do have class, if the snow is good enough!   ;)  
But I do not know if there will be snow in september to ski in...


				-Jonny B.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bjs@etn.ericsson.se (Bj|rn S{ter|y 1342)
Subject: Teaching telemarks skiing
Keywords: telemark, alpine, XC, skiing, utah
Reply-To: bjs@etn.ericsson.se (Bj|rn S{ter|y 1342)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom A/S
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:09:04 GMT

i'm glad to see there are finally some response from the telemark
buffs out there. hopefully there will be someone who is able to
give me some feedback on telemarking in the SLC area.

i have now been back here in the ol' country 4 years after 7 wonderful
years of going to school and skiing at CU Boulder. my "abilities" as a
"square-head" XC-skier was part of the reason why i decided to study in
the US, but after returning home i turned lazy and got into telemark
skiing instead. backcountry hill climbing with the option of resort
skiing, riding lifts and skiing the groomed slopes, suits me better now
when i have 
to work to afford my skiing-habit.

now to the crux of the matter:

i am hoping to be able to take some time off (~2 months) from work this winter,
and i plan to spend most of the time in SLC skiing the areas in the vicinity.

does anyone have any experience in backcountry/off pist (sp?)/deep powder
skiing in the area?
how about the resorts?

i have a bunch of years competitive XC and 5 years XC instructors background,
and i'll be getting my telemark/alpine skiing instructor license early
this winter. 
 
what are my chances of being able to add some income to my very tight budget
by doing some instructing on the side?

any feedback appreciated,
/bjorn

Bjorn.Sateroy@etn.ericsson.se

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From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Knee surgery
Date: 10 Sep 1992 12:35:33 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <1992Sep9.112843.3589@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, sh240031@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
|> I'm scheduled to have orthroscopic surgery don next week to remove some
|> supposedly torn medial meniscus.  I'm sure my worries are unjustified and my
|> phobia is directly related to the fact I just turned thirty and never seriously
|> injured myself skiing before the end of last season.
|> 
|> Anyway, there must be others out there that have gone through this that can
|> reassure me I have nothing to worry about and I'll be in shape to start
|> instructing again soon.
|> 
|> 				Carl 
I have had three of these operations in the last two years.  It really isnt
a big deal (see Eugene Miya's post for details).  If you are in good shape
the recovery time is very short.  The last time I had the surgery on a Monday
and went skiing on Friday.  It was A BIT too soon but we had the vacation
planned.  Skiing wasn't very comfortable until the following Sunday.  Even then
I was only about 80%, but still managed to get in a few bump runs (with my wife 
nagging me the whole time..."You Shouldn't...").

In short if you have the surgery now and work hard on the rehab. you'll have 
no problemthis season and probaly feel better than before.  I waited over a 
year to have the first one because I was afraid I would never be the same.
Afterwards I was kicking myself for waiting so long.

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp
Cambridge MA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Danged Responsibility Code
From: dgold@basso.actrix.gen.nz (Dale Gold)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:42:17 PST
Organization: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra

Quoted from <BuF3FB.Ep2@apollo.hp.com> by cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd):
>       <responsibility code deleted>
> 
>     Complaints of beginner/intermediates clogging
> up the black trails always draw sympathy for the
> poor learners. But in these cases aren't they the
> equivalent of the guy who drives 45 MPH in the 
> left lane of the highway because he feels it's
> comfortable ? 

Yep.  But - having learned to ski at the age of 40 in the company of a
family of ex-British Columbian experts, I've spent a lot of time skiing
above my level.  I've learned an awful lot as a result, too.  I think I'm
fairly adventurous and pretty responsible by nature.  Whenever I found
myself on a black run that was congested, I would wait for any beginners
below me to crawl down, check for experts approaching from above, and do my
best to get down with my dignity intact.  My expert friends could bloody
well wait for me at the bottom.  Now that I'm pretty comfortable skiing the
tougher terrain, I can see both points of view very clearly.  It's very
obvious on a difficult run to see how the people around you are going to
react, and although I'm now more likely to bop down the edges, I still
observe my original `rule'.

I'd like to suggest that the FAQ makes a suggestion along these lines:

	For novice skiiers, Black Diamond runs are a great learning
	experience, and an example of Evolution-in-Action.  Beginners and
	experts alike must respect the desires of the other group at all
	times.  Novices should stay the-hell-out-of-the-way of experts at 
	all times and should do their best to ski `predictably'.  Experts
	should have the sense to recognise beginners below them and to
	take the appropriate course to avoid the poor sods who are probably
	trying very hard to ski responisibly and to get down the slope in
	one piece..

> The neophyte skier is amply protected
> IMO. Orange "Slow Skiing Only" signs, gestapo style
> speed enforcement :-> , etc. keep things pretty
> sterile. 

I haven't skiied very much in North America.  While I agree with your
sentiments, the powers of the legal profession and the huge numbers of
skiiers in that part of the world might make these repressive rules a good
thing in the long run...

> What I'd like to see is the equivalent
> respect given to advanced skiers. How about having
> patrollers warning people who ski trails *above*
> the range of their ability?  Why not pull the lift
> tickets of people who endanger experts by unpred-
> ctably "skiing" black trails ? 

Because you can't learn to ski the Blacks on the Blues?  My expert
companions seem to have no trouble finding great skiing in the trees, or 
on the edges or out of bounds.  Teenage hoons who play Downhill Racer in
crowded beginner's areas and the few who insist on skiing in closed areas
are the ones that worry me, and I'm happy to see them get the boot.

Cheers,
Dale
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- Korokoro, New Zealand
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Does anybody ski Rossi DV6's?
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:17:19 GMT


My girlfriend and I are in the market for new skis this year.
We are looking for a slalom cut, but does not have to be a full
out racing ski (ie a 7S).  The front runners are so far:

 1) Salomon X8
 2) Rossignol DV6

Any opinions on these skis (especially the DV6 since I don't
know anything about them yet)



Cheers....Stuart
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:52:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: CO (Californicating) was Beginner's silly questions (!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> StorageTek
> IBM
> Cray Research
> Precision Visuals
> Solbourne
> US West
> Hewlett Packard
> RELA
> NCAR    (National Center for Atmospheric Research)
> NIST    (National Institute of Standards & Technology)
> NOAA    (Atmosphere division)

Remove from the list companies downsizing or with an hiring freeze and
you get a pretty short list. Basically you don't want to move to Colorado if
you don't have a job lined up. If you have a job lined up, you have to
realize that if you get tired of your job you have to move out of state 
to find another one... Also take into consideration that once you work 
here here your companies knows that you can't walk across the street to 
get a better job so that salaries will not be as competitive...

There is no perfect place to live...

bruno.


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: patch@sequent.com (Pat Chewning)
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:08:12 GMT

In article <14598@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

>Black Diamond runs usually have a sign at the bottom that also says, "Advanced
>skiers only".  Falling on an intermediate run might cause a few bruises.  There
>are a lot of advanced runs where falling on them could kill you.

Wouldn't that sign ("Advanced skiers only") be more useful at the top of the
run than on the bottom?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations)
Subject: Wolf Creek Info
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:31:00 GMT

In article <53015@dime.cs.umass.edu>, you write...
>I'm considering meeting my brothers and friends at Wolfcreek for a week
>or so of skiing/snowboarding and hanging out.  We're all intermediate
>skiers/snowboarders.

I tried E-mail, but it bounced, so I decided to post anyway:
> 
>1.  How big is Wolfcreek?  How many runs?  Lifts?  Vertical drop?
     It's a medium sized area.  I forget exactly how many runs but they have
     one quad chair, two double chairs, a poma and a beginners lift.  The
     vertical drop is ~2400 feet, I believe.

>2.  How much are lift tickets?
     Last, year, the regular season rates were $28 per day.
> 
>3.  Is snowboarding allowed?
     Yes.
> 
>4.  How is the snow?  When does the season begin and peak?
     Wolf Creek's ad campaign claims "The most snow in Colorado."
     Average yearly snowfall at Wolf Creek Pass is ~500 inches
     (That's a LOT)

>5.  What are the options for lodging?  Cabins?  Motels?  Whom should I 
>    call?  Is it relatively expensive?
     I've always stayed in Pagosa Springs at the Best Western Motel there.
     There's also a Fairfield Resort in P.S.  The lodging is relatively
     cheap and ski/lodging packages are worth looking into.  I'd call the
     Pagosa Springs chamber of commerce for details.
> 
>6.  How should one get there?  Is there any public transportation?  How
>    far is it from the nearest airport?
     The nearest airport I know of is in Durango (60 miles from Pagosa Springs)
     Don't count on much available public xport, although some motels offer
     shuttles to the ski area.  Personally, if I were flying in from afar,
     I'd consider flying to Albuquerque, N.M., renting a car there cheap and
     driving the 4 hours up to Pagosa Springs.  The Durango airport is a
     small regional one which is mainly serviced by small regional carriers
     which tend to be inconvienient and expensive.
> 
>7.  What do the surrounding towns/area offer other than skiing?
     Beautiful rocky mountain scenery which is quite unpopulated and far from
     any big cities.  Snowmobiling, etc, etc.

     If you do decide to go, realize that Wolf Creek is not a Vail or Park City
     but rather, an uncrowded outback type area (but with all the comforts).
     Good luck!
> 
>Thanks!
> 
>                            
>   John Kim



                                    Dale Redd
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Flat Light
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:23:19 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Sep9.070108.4776@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

|> 						  ....  What do you have left?
|> You, your skis a little snow.  You may or may not have a solar disk.
|> In a matter of seconds you can become disoriented, some people lose
|> the zenith (up).  A few will fall.  Non-skiing, non-snow residents and novices
|> may not believe such conditions exist....

 This happens quite a lot when skiing in Scotland because of the damp
climate. There's something very disturbing about standing absolutely
still on your skis and wondering which way to go when suddenly an
outcrop of rock appears out of the mist & whizzes past you travelling
uphill. Just as you are trying to work out what is going on you hit
a bump and fall over- you were sliding along on your skis without even
realising that you were moving!

 Weird!
	W.
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From: terwill@arecibo.aero.org (Bill who?)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Hear! Hear! Grant Robinson
Date: 14 Sep 1992 12:35 -0800
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: terwill@arecibo.aero.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: arecibo.aero.org
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Well said Grant! I enjoyed your post in response to the typical "whine"
of the "expert" skier. "The code doesn't play fair with us really
good skiers, it hinders us by letting all you lower-food-chain people
play on our mountain." What they want is for everyone to freeze at their
current ability level because they are on the top and don't want to share.
Childish to the max.

I think skiers of lesser ability on a run are just one more obstacle to
avoid. Now, what I enjoy is, while the assholes are up at the top playing 
hotdog, spending my time on the intermediate runs looking "to help"
their girlfriends get better. Much better company, much more fun.

Again Grant, well said. This net has the max APP of all the newsgroups,
your post was refreshing.

WET

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:25 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 02/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Danged Resp.Code
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:07:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.233005.21868@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>In article <BuFKD0.3L@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>>
>
>>I'd like to
>>see ski areas make as honest an effort to keep these people out of my way
>>as they do to 'protect' them down on the blues. Is that unfair ?
>

Some of the ski areas here in Colorado already do this.  They don't 
put modern lifts going to the best runs.  Instead, one must 
take a t-bar, poma (ball breaker), or hike to get there.  Beginners 
won't take a slow surface lift above timberline when they can have 
a high-speed quad, and flatland tourists don't have the 
energy, or inclination, to hike above 10,000 feet.  

A few examples of this include the bowls at Breckenridge, Storm King 
and the bowls at Copper, and the Walls at A-Basin. 

Also, beginners do not shuttle passes.  When snow conditions are such that 
there is a low risk of avalanche, you can have a lot of fun skiing down 
mountain passes, and hitch hiking back up.  

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOWBOARDING: Burton
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 00:44:56 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Aug31.164246.2529@progress.com> aab@progress.COM (Adam A. Backman) writes:
>Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:
>
>>to Nitro. What have people ridden and what do they like?
>...
>The only thing I would make sure any board that I bought had
>was inserts.  Boards without inserts are always popping bindings and needing
>repairs (according to my local board shop).  Just My opinion...

My belated 2c worth...

If you choose a board without the pre-drilled inserts like Burton have,
then you have more options in how you mount the bindings and are not
locked into one binding manufacturer.  Personally, I've always used Emery
bindings and never use inserts.  In four years I've broken a couple of
boards but never pulled a binding out.

Hugh  "Yes, it's a snowboard.  Yes, it's fun.  Yes, I do still ski also."

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
From: chmilar@Apple.COM (Michael Chmilar)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Good Places to Ski this Year
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:25:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn) writes:

>In article <1992Sep04.191631.9285@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>>Tahoe in CA.  Banff in Calgary, Alberta.  Numerous areas in CO.

>Banff is in Calgary to the same extent that Lake Tahoe is in Sacramento.
>Paskapoo is in Calgary.
 ^^^^^^^^
Hey!  That's called "Canada Olympic Park" now.  Or, as I call it: Crappy
Olympic Park.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Asym Skis?
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 01:06:57 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Sep12.210446.29137@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Dynamic...and I believe some other brand(s) has just introduced Asymmetrical
>skis... ones that are thicker along the inside edge than the outside.

Great, so when you've finally trashed your inside edges you can't retune
the skis and swap them over.  No thanks, this is one ``feature'' we can do
without.

Cynically yours...
-- 
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hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.