From: me@isnext19.msu.edu (My Account)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Why reproduce? (was: Re: Another Irate Dad Kills)
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:13:04 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep29.062122.23059@cs.su.oz.au> allanc@cs.su.oz.au  
(Restless Wanderer) writes:
 |
 |
 |I have a very perplexing question to pose to the readers of this group.
 |I do not post often,but after all the hype on father/mother bashing  
threads.
 |
 |Why in christs'name do you guys WANT to procreate?
 |Guys claim they get dumped on.
 |Women claim they get dumped on.
 |
 |Why not just do the right thing and stop this stupid reproduction  
nonsense.
 |Economically ,we'd all be better off.
 |Standards of living would rise  and crimes of child abuse/custody would  
be
 |solved .
 |
 |I'm quite serious,I do NOT understand why anyone would want kids.
 |Maschismo ? Womanhood.? Sorry but it sounds like sour grapes.
 |All these arguments sound as if you wish to have children so that you  
can 
 |give them what YOU missed.
 |
 |I don't begrudge your 'need ' to be fathers/mothers,I just cannot fathom  
why,
 |with all this hatred would someone bother.
 |
 |Yes ,I do believe in Zero Population Growth.UP until the species is in   
direct
 |danger of extinction.The lives wasted in every country because of  
children,is
 |astronomical.And I'm talking just the so called civilized countries.
 |
 |I'm serious with my question,and would appreciate some honest answers.
 |(Sure I've had my chance at being daddy,I just realized that it was  
societies
 |expectations..NOT MINE.
 |
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 |* Allan Creighton           "There are important matters to be resolved  
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 |* Dept of Computer Science   and the fear of being hanged on a  
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 |* University of Sydney       gallows will delay me until next spring"         
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Sorry for quoting the whole thing.  Didn't see anyway around it.  
Here's an honest answer.  I don't want to have children with the world in  
its present condition.  I have long thought that I would have a vasectomy  
(while giving a future wife a chance to talk me out of it) on the grounds  
that I had a pretty miserable childhood and would more than likely pass it  
on to my descendants.  Who has the right to pass on memetic damage to the  
next generation?  At present I think I should just go ahead and have the  
vasectomy anyway.  A few things inform my decision.  
One, I see that we are facing an environmental, economic and even social  
meltdown.  As people continue to choose dysfunctional (read f*cked-up)  
partners, evolutionary forces can only lead to a continued increase in  
violence between the sexes.  
Second, there is Emma Goldman's statement that poor babies have a right  
not to be born.  
Third, I have learned that I can not trust women to make ethical  
decisions--at least not any I am likely to hook up with--and it only takes  
one screw up (find the pun).
Forth, I have some awareness of nanotechnology and what it can do to  
reverse these problems --including the environmental, the social damage of  
the industrial revolution, and my intended vasectomy.
I look forward to a better future.  I'll bet my genes on it.

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