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From: SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET (linda)
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Subject: Re: Politics and Celebrities
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:20:00 GMT
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>       Really?  Isn't Eastwood the mayor of a town in California also?
>Or is that one of the other movie stars that I always get mixed up?
>Perhaps the party should contact Eastwood about doing some promotional
>appearances...
>
>                                               Robert Head
>                                               rhead@s850.mwc.edu

hi! sorry if this post comes after all the other posts answering this
question, but it appears our mailer is down yet again.

good ol clint e. was mayor of Carmel, CA. beautiful little place....a
shopper's and diner's delight but only if that shopper or diner has mega
bucks. clint also owns a really cool little restaurant/bar called the
Boar's Breath or Boar's Head or something w/a wild boar on the sign.
hard to find, you have to go through a maze of trendy alley's and if i
remember correctly (this was 1978 guys, so give me latitude here), you
actually had to go through the door of another establishment to get to
this place. i mean, you really had to want to be there.

i don't think he's mayor anymore. in fact i think he gave it up before his
term was supposed to end. this was awhile back. is sonny bono mayor now?
or is he mayor of some other equally cute california town?

- linda
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Subject: Re: Oliver North for Senate
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:52:00 GMT
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T:

        I never claimed that I knew anything about Virginian politics,
and basically I could care less, I am from New Jersey, and I will
placing my interest in the Lautenburg senatorial race in '94.

        I mentioned that a friend of mine, who attends this university
and is from Virginia, told me of North's possible running.

        I do believe that Virginia is a leaning conservative state.
In New Jersey, our two senators and governor are Democratic liberals,
but New Jersey is basically a conservaive state (although Clinton won
by a slim margin)  In '91, the republicans regained control of the
state legislature (by a huge margin).  In '93, Governor Florio is out,
in '94 it's good-bye to Senator Lautenburg, and in '96 it's curtains
for Senator Bradley.

        There has never been a ideological swing in New Jersey, just
these Democrats appealed to people, but New Jersey is still a
Republican State, and I believe the same can be said of Virginia.

-Paul
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:50:33 EST
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Draft Dodging Illegal?

From:         "(Andrew MacRae)" <acm@SUN.COM>

> For those who did not live through this period, let me explain a little
> about the process of being "drafted".

>        Step One                Notice to report for physical
>        Step Two                Pass physical
>        Step Three              Notice to report for induction
>        Step Four               Being inducted

Thanks for yet the most complete account of how people are drafted.
And welcome back, again.  (Maybe you can tell Rich that I disagreed
with you many times but never questioned your IQ.   :-)

I have a question.  Since, the military has a rule against
homosexuals, what would happen if you claim you are a homosexual
when drafted?  Is there a test to verify that or do they take
your word for it.

--KAT
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:58:00 EST
From:         JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: electoral collage and question from my 9-yr-old
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In article <tfilt380135@drew.edu>, PSICILIA@drew.drew.edu writes:
>
>         Joe:
>           Only to be fair I think one should mention that George Bush
> only lost by a couple percentage points in NJ, NH, CO, OH, KT, TN, GA,
> LA, and WI.  Bush would have won if he carried every state that he
> only lost by 4% or less (a difficult task, I will admit)!

I'm open to being fair.  With a 43-38% margin, Clinton obviously won
many states by small margins but Ca and NY is a combo hard to beat.
Anyway, Clinton did do something special in getting his electoral
votes spread out -- not just in the Northeast.  Carter won by winning
parts of the country, Clinton won by winning all of the country ('cept
heartland region and I doubt he lost all of them by big margins).

>           But it sounds as if you are in favor of the Electoral
> College, (I could be wrong, though) which I find amazing because I am
> in favor of the electoral college, and I don't know a single person
> who agrees with me. (With some exceptions being analysts)  At Drew, I
> have yet met a single person who approves of the electoral college
> over popular vote.
>
>         -Paul
>
Actually I wrote a paper debunking it, but upon thinking about it, I
rethought my position and saw it wasn't so clearcut.  Now I'm leaning
toward seeing it as a good idea in theory, and less willing to think
changing it is a good idea.  As noted by another person, it highlights
federalism -- still a good idea though people tend to forget about it
sometimes.  I just don't like federalism abused nor do I think it's as
central anymore.  So my feelings are somewhat mixed. What I don't like
is parties using the electoral college to ignore segments of the
country as "locked" or "unfavorable".

 -Joe
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:18:47 EST
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Just in case you missed them

LOGIC CZAR ANNOUNCES AWARD

James McB.'s posting including the POLITICS etiquette notice and the
nicely expressed summary of some fallacies wins this week's Homo Logicus
award for posting best advancing the Cause.

The Czar regrets to announce that there were simply too many candidates
for the Logicus Ignoramus award this week, and that he is hereby
discontinuing the award in despair before actually ever awarding it.

Jamie
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:37:45 -0500
From:         Andrew Allen <E7L8ALL@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Oliver North for Senate

>You all may say what you wish about Iran-Contra and Bush's conduct,
>but the Republicans will get the last laugh when Oliver North is
>elected to the Senate for Virgina in 1994.

Boy, it might be worth nipping on over to Virginia to see if I can
get some work developing campaign ads for North's opponent...

Imagine the fun one could have with all of that footage (public domain
no less!) of Ollie North admitting to lying repeatedly to Congress!

>-Paul

-other Andy
From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
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Subject: Re:      Begging Bush's Pardon
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:57:33 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92110815255189@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>,         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET> writes:
 > From:         PSICILIA@DREW.BITNET
 > 
 > >       I am sick and tired of hearing about Iran-Contra.  For the
 > >past six years, a special prosecutor with unlimited resources has
 > >spent over $60,000,000 on Iran/Contra, and no one is sitting in jail
 > >for this supposed illegal activity.
 > 
 > Not yet.
 > Of course, we now know with near certainty that Oliver North
 > WAS guilty of the crimes of which he was accused. Walsh
 > couldn't prove many of the charges, and North got off on
 > a technicality (as Due Process rights are often called)
 > for the one that was proved.

It is better than that.  Oliver North admitted actions that were in violation
of the law (shredding documents after being told there was an investigation
in progress).  His conviction was overturned on the grounds that the
testimony he gave at the Congressional hearings (while under immunity)
tainted the case against him.  It should be noted and remembered that at
those hearings, Oliver North freely admitted that he knowingly broke the
law.

						Andrew MacRae
						
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From:         The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: bounced checks
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>        No, there would NOT have been "bounced check fees", since NO CHECKS
>WERE BOUNCED!!!

	No checks were bounced because the checks were floated until the next
payday.  In normal America, they would bounce, incurring the fees.

>        Geesh, this is getting sickening!  Enough with this!  I'm here to
>learn and debate, not TUTOR!
>-T.

	Then learn.

Brett'
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:09:00 EST
From:         Song Weaver <JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Right vs. Left and 'Opposites'
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Jayce says that "they are 'opposite' us" reffering to the former Soviet
Union and right vs. left wing.

Simply put, that is an extreme oversimplification.  I posted something
a couple days ago about how the terms "right" and "left" are losing
meaning on a world scale.  To simply say that the Soviet Union is
"opposite" from us seems quite foolish to me, and I question the common
sense (or the honesty-- I am not sure which is the problem) of any
individual who would make such a statement and I challenge him to
show us, through example, specific examples to back up his statement.
Otherwise I will assume that he does not value his own words enough
to back them up.

--Julie
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From:         Song Weaver <JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Politics/History Trivia - Who woulda thunk?
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Steve R:

You're not suggesting we make Ed Meese a Justice on the Supreme Court,
are you?

--Julie "if the ^&%*$* fits..." W.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:01:00 EDT
From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Oliver North for Senate

Paul:

        You know nothing about Virginia.  If you did, you would see that
Virginia (the Commonwealth I currently call my home) is MODERATE REPUBLICAN/
MODERATE DEMOCRAT.  The two Senators currently serving (Warner and Robb), the
Governor (Wilder) and the majority of Congressional Representatives could
HARDLY be compared with the lunatic extremism of Ollie North.  Even WITH ol'
Pat Robertson here, North doesn't stand a CHANCE.  Unless, of course, the
entire political atmosphere in Virginia changes radically overnight.

No way - and I'll gladly eat my words if it comes to pass - North never gets
elected by Virginia.   No way.


-T.
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:42:51 EST
From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 1996
              6 Nov 1992 12:26:46 -0400 from <8612775@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>

>he would never agreed with congress on tax hikes. Remember Billiary had to
>call himself a moderate moving to the right to get elected. His past record
>of protest against America show that this isn't his real position.
>
In the first place, Clinton was one of the founders of the DNC, which
was organized years ago to move the Democratic party more towards the
center; to make the party more moderate.  It wasn't a Halloween mask he
donned for the election.

In the second place, people often change their opinions and political
stance as they grow older.  I believe the more recent actions of an
experienced governor are a better indicator of Clinton's position than
the two-decades old actions of a post-pubescent college student.

>Are you telling me that you voted for Clinton, a lying,draft dodging,adulterer
>with a poor record as Govenor of a Backward state. No you voted for the left
>wing values of the democratic party.
>
You need to stop taking Rush Limbaugh's show so seriously.

>An opinion that's RIGHT.

You see what happens?
   toddddddddddddd
>   ---mike....

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From: 8612775@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA (MIKE)
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Subject: Re: Flowers and Hill
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:05:00 GMT
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Kerry you said that
> The costs outweighed the benefits

I guess she waited until she could benefit from it. If Anita Hill were so
concerned with the prevention of sexual harrassment and the punishment
of the perpetrators, as she seems to be now in PAID speaking engagements
then the cost don't outweigh the benefits. I understand that she may have feared
   professional suicide, but fear is the major problem in the world today and
in the past. It is fear that prevents people from assisting a victem of crime
, it is fear that allowed germany to march through poland and japan to
expand in the second world war. It was fear that  made president elect Bill
Clinton dodge his draft. The world would be alot better without it.
  But instead Anita waited until Judge Thomas was to be assigned to the
supreme court. In probably the most publicized event since iran-contra
she gave her hard to believe testomony gaining political power and later
material wealth.
 I agree sexual harrasment is wrong and it does occur but wether it occured
in Ms Hill's case well that remains to be seen. I don't believe that it did
and I think she has benefitted greatly from it.
But that's just the opinion of a white male oppressor.
-----mike....
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From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Minority President?
              11 Nov 1992 17:18:56 -0500 from <STK1236@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU>

From:         STK1236@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU

> I believe the point Brent was trying to make when he said that if
> Bush got all of Perot's votes he would have won, is that 53% of
> those who voted did not vote for Clinton for one reason or another.

Never try to second guess the intention of someone who makes a
silly statement.  In doing so, you might make a silly statement
of your own.   :-)

> That means that if there were a better candidate than Bush, Perot,
> and Clinton, he or she would gotten more votes than Clinton.

No it doesn't.  Even if Clinton had gotten more than 50%, AND "if
there were a better candidate than Bush, Perot, and Clinton, he or she
would (have still) gotten more votes than Clinton."  (Now, THAT was
a silly statement.)

> If Perot were not in the race, most of the Perot supporters would
> have voted for President Bush.

There was an analysis of the exit polls.  It was concluded that either
Perot did not change the outcome or that most of Perot's voter would
have gone to Clinton.  (I don't remember which one.)  Now, I ordinarily
would not put too much stocks (sp?) in polls, but I prefer them over
statements made on the net without referencing to any evidence or study.

> --Rich

--KAT
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:47:43 CST
From:         erteltsa@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU
Subject:      Re: "President Clinton"
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Kerry, I NEVER implied anything about women getting dates because of their
good looks or lack thereof. NEVER. And your implication that I DID, as well
as your labeling my joke as 'sexist,' implies that I, myself, have sexist,
or chauvenistic qualities about me. This is entirely untrue. Neither my joke
nor my attitudes are sexist in any way. If you have any further problem, please
take it up with me privately and spare these fine folks from your
presumptuousness.
--Steve
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:12:13 -0400
From:         MIKE <8612775@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: "President Clinton"

ERTALTSA@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU

HEY, I didn't like the outcome either. I don't trust Clinton and I don't believe
   that electing the democrates into office will be good for the country.

But let's keep the children out of it.

And write your name on your comments atleast your first name, unless of course
you are ashamed of what you write. Then again you could just be a coward and a b
   ad loser.
From: JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (Song Weaver)
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Subject: Re: Saddam Hussein & his little PARTY
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:28:00 GMT
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Jayce:

Just remember who built Iran's arsenal enough that it could get to
this point in the first place.  Before you blame Clinton for the problem
look at the source.

--Julie
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 11:58:53 -0400
From:         MIKE <8612775@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Minority President?

>A possible solution to this problem is to a)scrap the electoral college
b) institute a system where the candidate who gets 50% of the votes plus one
wins, in no candidate does that on the first ballot, have a run of two weeks
later between the top two candidates.

It's a good idea considering the fact that it will keep more republicans
in the whitehouse. The democrates have a had enough time getting their
people to the polling booths for one election. You could almost go and say
that a democrate victory depends on the weather.

Sounds kind of costly too.

--mike.....

p.s. could you put a name to you comments?   thanks
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:54:49 CST
From:         KIS100F@SMSVMA.BITNET
Subject:      A Puzzle

The following is misplaced posting but may be of some interest.


A (fairly) difficult puzzle:
----------------------------

There are 12 identical looking apples.

11 of them weigh exactly the same.
The 12-th of them is defective (such as: liberal or conservative) in the
sense that it is heavier or lighter than the rest of the apples.
The apples are shuffled and get randomly arranged.

An ordinary 2-pan balance is provided.
Exactly 3 weighing chances are given.
Determine the defective apple AND also tell whether the defective apple
is heavier or lighter (ie liberal or conservative).
(over)

Genius Range: solution is obtained within the first 10 minutes.
Extremely Intelligent: solution is obtained withing the first 20 minutes.
Very Intelligent: solution is obtained within the first 40 minutes.
Normal: solution is obtained within the first 60 minutes.


The story behind this puzzle is supposedly this:
During the world war II, the fighting countries often circulated
appealing puzzles to the scientists of the opposing countries.
The motive was that the scientists waste their precious time on
trivia pursuit.
The above puzzle is supposedly one of the puzzle circulated.
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Date: 6 Nov 92 01:15:00 GMT
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>Yes, CXhristianity HAS changed since Gandhi's encounter. If you'd care to
>point out some of the ways in which it hasn't please do so.
>--Steve

Steve:

        Well, what does one say to that?  I think if you disagree with me, and
think that Christianity HAS changed, you'd better point those out to me. I said
that it hasn't changed since Gandhi's experience - HASN'T CHANGED.  Get it?
HAS NOT CHANGED.  I can't point out the *ways* it HAS NOT changed.

        You must refute by pointing out ways you think it *HAS* changed.

I can't point out things that haven't happened.  Careful - you're slippin',

dude!


-T.


"Joy is the realization that when you have lost everything, you have only
 lost a toy."

                (who else?) -DeMello.
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