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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Gaels is N re: Gaels is No. 1
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:13:07 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

s662@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account) writes:

>So take out all those sports, fourier series, moving to Hawaii, looking for
>textbook, car runing on Germany highway, some China/Taiwan's magazine table
>of contents, etc, etc, from SCHK. Is that what you mean?!!?

>Personally, I think these re interesting and sometimes informative.  To me,
>I m more interested in these little things than those discussions on movie
>stars or singers.  I havent heard their names anyway.

>BTW, skip those messages you arent interested in.  And I dont care if you
>junk my messge.  Feel free to do so and enjoy the world of freedom......

Frankly, I disagree.  IMHO, the readers of schk aren't necessarily living
in the States, not to mention the fact that not every student in the States
enjoy sports.  

Do you really think someone from Down under, Hong Kong, UK or what not would
care about the Pacific Ten and the Big Ten?

It's OK to post these kinds of postings.  However, please don't over do it.

Seriously, if I were to ask people here who won this year's Ivy League
football champion, would anyone care?  Also, how many of you out there
actually cares to know that Columbia's football team (known for everything
_but_ football) beats Cornell... and Cornell beats last year's Ivy Champ?

(BTW: I did miss the football... did Princeton win...? or...?)

(the reason why I am interested to know is because if the other team won,
they will help the college to earn _tons_ of $$$ from the Alumni...)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs911146@ariel.yorku.ca (JEFF HUM)
Subject: Re: about Bruce Lee's movie...
Followup-To: Bruce Lee's movies...
Keywords: -=*> Bruce Lee <*=-
Organization: York
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:27:25 GMT

There are only five Bruce Lee movies (HK & Colour):
1)  The Big Boss   (US: Fists Of Fury)
2)  Fist Of Fury  (US: Chinese Connection)
3)  Way Of The Dragon  (US: Return Of The Dragon)
4)  Enter The Dragon
5)  Game Of Death

However, there are quite a few HK B&W Bruce Lee movies that were made before
the above, but they are not Kung Fu.  One of them is called 'The ThunderStorm'
if I remember correctly.  He dies from getting electrocuted at the end!
(How pathetic!)

He also appeared in US TV Series:  The Green Hornet
                                   LongStreet
                                   Marlowe
as well as in one of the BatMan episodes with the Green Hornet. ( He beats
the shit out of Robin)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:14747 soc.culture.china:30970 soc.culture.taiwan:15510 news.answers:4116
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:28:54 GMT


afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung) writes:

> 3. Tell China that a democratic HK is not only morally right, but makes
>    economic sense in the long run for both HK and China. For democracy
>    will liberate HK from the grip of a few to realize her full potiential.

I don't mean to discourage you, but you sound to me completely missing the
point why CG so fiercely oppose the political change in HK. It is clear
from the recent 14th CCP congress that Deng views economic reform +
political "contraction" as the only way to keep CCP stay in power. 
(BTW, realistically, we need to admit that Deng has achieved a certain
degree of success in this regard.) And as HK becomes part of China, the 
political system in HK is bound to have a tremendous impact on China's
entire political structure. In fact, it is already generating a lot of
interests among mainlanders. What CG fears is that HK's political system
will become a model for the rest of China _just as_ the economic system
has already become a model for China, which, ironically, is under Deng's
own blessing. Also, don't forget that they still have the goal of "unifying"
with Taiwan in mind. So, think about this: if they cannot handle the erosion
of political power due to the returning of HK, how can they be sure that the
unification with Taiwan, which in terms of political power, is probably
hundred times of HK, won't turn out to be a loss of power to Kuomingtang? So,
this is not a problem of whether HK is more prosperous or how it can benefit
China more, but a problem of preventing a crack, no matter how tiny, in that
political contraction strategy.

There is a saying that "Diplomacy is the extension of domestic politics."
The HK issue looks like an issue of international diplomacy, and from HKers'
viewpoint, we probably only concern about how we can maximally achieve a
political system that provides the best protection to our current life
style. But inevitably, it will lead to conflict with CCP, especially under
Deng's current ruling strategy, and thus be involved in China's politics,
no matter we like it or not.

Despite the fact that HK's political reform is being pushed by UK, if we
look at it from the angle of Chinese internal politics, I think the best
we can do is to directly appeal to the Chinese people, show them what is
the essence of the political reform in HK, show them why what is good for
HK is also good for them. I firmly believe what Uncle Wah said many times:
there is no future for HK if China does not have democracy. So, no matter
what the outcome of the current struggle of HK political reform, it at
least will serve to raise the conscious of the people in mainland, and
probably will give them a glimpse of what is possible - that may be our
contributions if nothing else.


Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai)
Subject: Re: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:02:06 GMT

In article <4306@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> alee@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Alexander Lee) writes:
>Since I did not have opportunity to meet a SINGLE democracy-minded person
>in HK during my short stay in HK, I would like to raise a question for
>any "Democracy-minded" HKer here:
>
>If your burning desire for democracy in HK is for real, ie the kind of
>democracy of US model which is only one I know SO FAR, why don't you
>start the process by pushing for HK's governor election first?

We are going to do that after 1997. Wait and see ...


>If you only advocate to change only the cosmetics (Lego), but not the
>substance (Governor), then please don't blame others who do not take
>your claims seriously.

The HK Governor is going to change after 1997 anyway, why bother
asking to change it NOW? We only ask for something that we want to
change; but the Chinese Government does not want to. e.g. the number
of direct elected seats in Legco (not Lego, you can't "play" around
with that. :)).


>If, for any reason, you prefer to have British appointed governor to
>Chinese appointed governor, then I rest my case.
>

No.. No more British Governor. I believe we can do better than they do.

Tony
From: lyeh@alleg.edu (Hun Lye)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: CD & Cassettes
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:20:09 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

Anyone know of any mail-order services in the United States that sell CD's  
and cassettes of Cantonese or mandarin songs?  I would appreciate it if  
someone can give me the address and phone no. of any of relevant place  
that takes mail orders.  Sometime ago, a very helpful friend on s.c.h
gave me an address but I lost it!

Please e-mail me.


Hunyeow Lye
lyeh@alleg.edu


"Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: SCHK in Shanghai!!!!!!
Keywords: shanghai
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 10:04:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.063755.9881@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>I am proud to let you know that soc.culture.hongkong has entered
>China yesterday.  Shanghai is the first Fidonet site inside Red China
>who starts to receive this newsgroup.  Special thanks to Samson Luk 
>in Hongkong to make this happen.  More FidoNet sites will carry SCHK 
>into the heart of China in the NEAR future!!!!!  
>
>BTW, Beijing should be next!!!!
>
>Thanks again, Samson.
>-- 
>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)   

Should we send articles to the news group soc.culture.hongkong  ?
It may have more readers.

J Su
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lhf@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Leung Ho-Fung)
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:44:44 GMT

Eating dogs is good for the body, especially in winter.  So I think it is
more appropriate to eat dogs in Britain than to eat dogs in Hong Kong.

Do you think so?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kykcheun@napier.uwaterloo.ca ()
Subject: **** SUSANNAH, SWAN, MELAINE ****
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:19:30 GMT


Hi netters,

I'm looking for 3 gals from COSS, Hk

     1.  Susannah Pang Hei Man (University of San Francisco, last year)
     2.  Swan Lau Si Wan (Boston University, last year)
     3.  Melaine Ma (University of British Columbia)

If you are one of them, please contact me as soon as possible (Hey, I'm
Karen.  It's a pity that we lost contact with one another!)

Otherwise, if you folks out there happen to know any of them, please, 
please, please ... give me her(their) e-mail address(es), or urge them
to drop me a few lines.

Thanks a bunch

Karen :)   
kykcheung@napier.uwaterloo.ca


PS.  I've also posted this article to soc.net.people

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kwli@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Ringo K. LI)
Subject: Re: Taking the KCR from K to C
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 09:18:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.213119.16747@gecko.uucp>, eric@gecko.uucp (Eric Peterson) writes:
>
>
>	Hi -
>	I'll be taking the family to HK soon, and we'd like to take a side trip
>	to China.  Since we don't have a lot of time, I thought about taking
>	the KCR to Canton.  Do we just but a ticket and go?  (We have Chinese
>	visas.)  We'll be travelling with a 10 month old baby, and don't really
>	know where we'll be staying (we are hoping to find a travel agent in HK
>	to make reservations for a hotel in Canton.)  My wife is from HK, so
>	she speaks Cantonese and (some) Mandarin, so at least the language
>	won't be a problem.
>
>	Anyone have any experience or hints for doing this? 
>
>Thanks much,
>Eric
>-- 
>Eric Peterson    WB6PYK [44.6.0.133]	N2429K @ SMO
>Tekelec - (818) 880-7710 eric@tekelec.com, uunet!gecko!eric
Eric, 
	That depends on your actual date to visit China. Don't never try the
peak season!!!!! Especially for the Chinese New Year. (Around late Jan ) If you do, you will regret for that. 

Yes, it is better to let the agent to handle all the trouble. You can pick some
information from the Kai Tak Airport.

Good Luck!
Ringo Li 
kwli@esk.compserv.edu.au.
From: lyndon@Sol34.essex.ac.uk (Lee L C H)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: lyndon@essex.ac.uk (Lee L C H)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1992Nov19.172153@disun14.epfl.ch> fung@disun14.epfl.ch (Yee Kay Fung) writes:
>(deleted)
>
>Patten, the good or the bad guy? What do you think?
>
>
>Yee Kay Fung
>Greetings from Switzerland

*** The followings are just my PERSONAL feeling.

My impression of Patten is not as good as my friends in HK. Partly because when
Tory was running the election campaign in March-April, Patten being the
party's chairman, had made a lot of public speech. And during that time I
was in England and personally run through the whole election. So I got some
idea about him.

I feel that he is the one who would do something solely for political reasons.
And other considerations secondary. So although he has won a lot of publicity
in HK and quite a lot of hope from HK people by his constitutional reform
package, I won't sing him a praise, however.

In my opinion, he ties his political future to the HK. He is trying to do
something in HK to earn a better reputation for the next election (may be in 
1997!). I don't blame him for this, after all, it is his career.

In my very pessimestic opinion, I don't think UK or PRC would do any good
to HK and HK people. Both sides are trying to get most out of it - but 
different approach. UK may want to secure her influence in HK (at least 10
more years) and make way for UK company for several years making profit.
PRC would like to speed up her modernisation, based on HK's investment.
PRC would like to see a pure enonomic-functional HK - unlimited source of
fund, but the people there are not making any (political) trouble.

However, HK people are smart enough not to believe any side. PRC has a
"reputation" of breaking promises - so the 84 joint-agreement and basic law
are just empty documents. Patten, in his reform package, does give HK people
a chance to secure what they have - hence it is popular.  I think Patten
and HK people are of the relationship : mutual benefit if it works.

Lyndon Lee
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:35:51 GMT

I measure Gov. Patten on two criteria - whether he has the "heart" and
whether he has the "smart". So far, from what I've heard and seen, he's up
to the task.

But I think a far more important measurement is whether what he's trying to
accomplish is ultimately good for HK. This transcends politics and
personalities.

I don't think we should expect him to be an altruist, because I don't
think that's necessary. It is quite natural for him to have his own dreams
and aspirations beyond HK. Actually, I'd be rather worry if he doesn't - for
that is a sure sign of an incompetent man. The farmer grows rice not
because he likes us but because he wants to make money. The end result is that
despite his lack of altruism, we get our rice and he gets his money, and
both are happy. Likewise, if Gov. Patten manages to pull off this "miracle"
in HK, then he deserves to be the Prime Minister of UK on account of his
political and diplomatic skills, and at the same time people in HK can
finally be the master of their own political future!

There is also a concern voiced that he has the power to abolish LegCo. I
submit to you that this is a colonial relic. No politician in their right
mind would exercise that power - particularly a popularly elected LegCo
with the mandate of the people. The moment he invokes that power, he commits
political suicide. 

Regards,

Al Fung
SoftFab International Ltd., One Kendall Square, Suite 2200, Cambridge, MA 02139
Email: afung@SoftFab.COM        Voice: (617) 621-7014       Fax: (617) 577-1209
From: yimwm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Warren Yim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:09:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.BxtGvG.HLt
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Nov14.222627.13048@ultb.isc.rit.edu> rlp0137@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>The argument whether if it is right or wrong to eat dogs is rather complex.
>I will say that it has to do with culture.  If you are saying that eating
>dog is not right, it is probable that your culture does not allow for
>type of behavior.  This is the problem of most western cultures.  However,
>a chinese (mainland or probably Taiwan) will find most palatable to his/
>her taste a dish of dog meat.  Anyway, why not keep an open mind and maybe
>you will not find so difficult to believe that dogs can be eaten.  In any
>event, as you mentioned in article 8286, "If pigs had been considered as
>pets rather than dogs, then pork chop would have been banned already".
>Therefore, if we treated all domestic animals as pets, then I guess we
>would do ourselves a favor by becoming vegetarians (ja, ja).

I guess the reson that Eating Dog is illegal in Hong Kong because many
people keep dogs as pets. If you ask why it is legal to eat cat while 
many people keep cats as pets too. Let's think about how the law of 
prohibiting people to eat dog is passed. There must be someone propose
the law first and get a lot of support to pass the law. I think if you
propose that eating even apple is illegal and you can persuade a large
group of people to support your argument, it is not supprised that 
eating apple is illegal in HK..

Just a silly thought.
From: nnhung@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (William Hung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Text Book for Sale: CS 315
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:24:02 GMT
Reply-To: nnhung@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (William Hung)
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Stunning New Investment Opportunity in US
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:13:39 GMT


yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
|> >
|> >It says that there are some three hundred citizens in Beijing register
|> >for buying a piece of land of the size of a post stamp located anywhere
|> >in US for US$650. The selling of this stamp-size US land is the idea
|> >of an American company, which sells the land as a 500-year anniversary
|> >souvenir for memorializing the discovery of Ameirca by Columbus. And the
|> >purpose of the Chinese who buy the land is to obtain the visa in order
|> >to "manage" that piece of land.
|> >
|> >HAHAHaHaha ...
|> >
|> Why are you laughing?

I'm just laughing at something I felt really funny.

|> It is most studip thing I ever saw.

I don't know what is studip thing, let alone the most. But are
you saying those 300 chinese stupid or the American company stupid?

|> What a waste, American are most likely only spend 25 cents to get 
|> same size of land.

Sounds like you are saying those chinese stupid.

|> Your joke does not make me laugh.

It is not a joke, let alone my joke. But thanks let us know that does
not make you laugh. (Who care?)

|> It makes me sick by insulting chinese intellegence.

Now, who is insulting "chinese intellegence"? I thought you just said
you found some "most studip thing I ever saw," so you take those "studip
thing" as "chinese intellegence"? Aren't you the one who said "What a
waste"? So after you chiding those chinese wasting their money and now
it makes you sick? You are kinda strange person. If insulting chinese
"intellegence" makes you sick, just don't do it.

|> Sorry, I can't laugh for your story.

Relax, laugh a few times a day is good for you.

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: gideon@cs.utexas.edu (Timothy Tin-Wai Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 21 Nov 1992 07:50:14 -0600
Organization: University of Texas at Austin, Dept. of Computer Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu


I have a question about Chris Patten's proposal for democratic reforms.  What
exactly does it say, and how did he come up with it, i.e., did he just "dream"
it up himself, or did he discuss it with the HK govt and/or British govt before
making it public?

I just wish all this had happened back in early 80's, then we would have had
more time to convince the China govt.


Tim

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ctyau@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (YAU Chor-tung)
Subject: Re: Dog Killing (Was : Is it right to eat dogs?)
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:05:36 GMT

My mom told me a story happened in her childhood.  She was in main-land
China before she was 18.

In Chinese villages keeping dogs is very common, even today.  People
keep dogs not solely as a pet like people in urbanized area do,
but also as a security guard.  When a strangler come close to the
house, they bark (not attack yet) and warn the people in the house.
When the dogs see (even once) the guy is welcomed by the masters, they
sway their tails to welcome him when they see him again.  I have visited
my home village in China several times and this is what I experienced.
(strangely, I don't find this good manner in the dogs in H.K.,  here
people like keeping expensive, pure-breed dogs, while 'mixed-breed',
'cheap' dogs are kept in my home village.)

This is the story happened to my mom : When she was a little girl.  My
grandparents kept a dog.  One day, some chinese communist party officals
came to the village and took away all the dogs, in return they gave some
money (very little).  The people could not refuse (why? it is the CCP!)
My mom was sad.  After several days, the dog came back to the house and
my mom found it.  It could not be known how it escaped, how long it had
struggled and how it knew the way.  My mom feared that the CCP would come
again, so she kept it under her bed for three days,  she was also under
the bed for that three days.  Finally, the CCP officals came again and
took away the dog, it was probably eaten by the army or ???  Even
communists knew that dogs are faithful to their masters, so they searched
the right place!

I would agree that there is no reason dogs are superier to other animals
like pigs, cows.  However, I would not eat dogs again.

Yau Chor Tung. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: LOSKB@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Questions on FIDONET
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:10:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Dear folks,

      I am quite new to the discussion group, there are a few questions I would
like to ask:

    Q1) Where can I find the BBS list of HK that can be connected through
        internet ?
    Q2) How to join the fidonet and how much will it be ? Any special hardware
        requirement apart from the computer and modem ?
    Q3) Where can I get more information about fidonet ?

Thank you very much.


Benjamin LO
Internet:LOSKB@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk