HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: syngen@dir.ulcc.ac.uk (Syngen Brown LNT)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: US/UK paper size difference, xeroxing
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:05:33 GMT
Organization: London Network Team
NNTP-Posting-Host: dir.ulcc.ac.uk

In article <C19pHp.7Dp@exnet.co.uk> dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon) writes:
>
>Nor metric measures such as the Joule, Watt and kg.  When I was still
>doing a bit of molecular biology it was infuriating that the US text
>books were all in arcane units that needed conversion (and assumed room
>temperature was 25C; try paying reasonable prices for your energy,
>chums B^>).  But we lost out to them on spelling, eg neuron and
>adrenalin instead of neurone and adrenaline.  ...  Except they

In fact, they don't spell adrenaline differently, it is just called
epinephrine.  Another useless factoid.

-Syngen

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From: P.A.Foulkes@bradford.ac.uk (Pete Foulkes)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Ariston music for TV Advert
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:13:11 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91453585@mail

In article <1993Jan22.152909.2967@lsl.co.uk> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>
>Errr, confused:-
>
>Are 'the diamonds' those silly /\  shapes that disappear in about half a second
>                               \/ 
>in a flash of colour after the programs?
>

Are these the ones on Channel 4 ?

What are they there for ?

Do they irritate everyone else ?

God I hate them.

(Just had to get that off my chest :-) )

"Death to the Diamonds"

	Peter.



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Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
Followup-To: uk.misc,alt.conspiracy
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:26:15 GMT

James Petts (pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <C19ouu.74v@exnet.co.uk> Damon, dhd@exnet.co.uk writes:
: >In the US the FBI are trying to make it illegal to encrypt in any
: effective
: >way, and for example, phone companies will be fined something like
: US$1000 per
: >line per day that the FBI can't decrypt.
: 
: There is also a bill under discussion which would make it mandatory to 
: fit all telecomms apparatus with connection for, or inbuilt, tapping 
: devices. I suppose it's the logical progression of free speech: the NSA 
: should be able to eavesdrop for free ;-)

You mean at the customers expense, rather...

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From: mikec@spider.co.uk (Mike Coren)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Africa Explored
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:58:25 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.


Has anybody heard of or dealt with a group called "Africa Explored"?
They run camping expeditions in Africa, and I'm trying to find out
if they're OK or should be avoided.

Reply by EMail to mikec@spider.co.uk please.

Thanks in advance,
Mike Coren

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Temporarily at Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, Scotland, UK.
Xref: sparky uk.misc:3075 rec.arts.tv.uk:7507
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Papa! Nicole! (was Re: Ariston music for TV Advert)
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:40:29 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <OKES.93Jan22135103@SunLab43.essex.ac.uk> okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke) writes:
   In article <7617@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier] writes:
   | Also sprach adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
   | }That, I believe, was the first in the series.  The second one seemed to say
   | }that a motor-bike is better than their car, because Papa was happy to lend
   | }the latter to Nicole's boy-friend so that Papa could then use boy-friend's
   | }motor-bike.
   |
   | The curious feature of that particular advert was that Nicole & boyfriend
   | drive off in the car, and shortly afterwards are passed by Papa, who had
   | started from the same place, on the motorbike going in the opposite direction.
   |
   | Clearly one or other of the drivers (and possibly both) had chosen to
   | drive the long way. Why? 
   |
   | Buy a Clio and have your brain soften?
   
   I suspect it was Papa who had gone round the long way. That bike looked
   like it could go a hell of a lot faster than any Clio. Persumably when
   they met he was going slow because all that racing had used up all the
   petrol.
   

Maybe boyfriend pulled in to a layby to give Nicole a good dickin', Papa
whizzed by on the bike, turned round at the next town, and met the Clio
coming back?



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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Young Persons Railcard
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:38:11 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]

Ceri Hopkins (cah@cs.bham.ac.uk) wrote:
: >>>>> On 20 Jan 93 18:01:43 GMT, benha@castle.ed.ac.uk (Ben Hambidge) said:
: 
: Ben> A friend sent off for one while he was at school, with an
: Ben> official letter from the headmaster saying he was at school with
: Ben> his dat of birth on it. My friend filled out the application with
: Ben> his DoB a year before it should have been, and sent it off.
: Ben> No-one at ISIC noticed trhe discrepancy, and he used it as over
: Ben> 18 age proof. Genuine card though.
: 
: It is also possible to alter the card after receiving it. Depending on
: year of birth and the handwriting of the person who completed the card
: it can *slash* years off your age.

And if the ink hasn't soaked into the plastic, before you peal the top
layer off.
It's more difficult to alter than the standard NUS card.
: 
: The example I'm thinking about is someone using an ISIC card to claim
: to be under 26 and a student to get cheap rail tickets in France.
: Person in question was miffed about being a student and still not
: being able to get cheap fares.

British rail do not accept ISIC cards, NUS cards, other SU cards, university
cards, university library cards, etc as proof of student status.
The ONLY proof they will accept is a letter (possibly has to be handwritten)
by your head of department.
(or at least the policy at New Street is that, some BR employees, e.g.
those who have been students, will accept standard student ID's)
: 
: My experience in Germany a number of years ago was that you would have
: to convince people of the validity of the ISIC card as indication of
: student status. An NUS card and the same spiel worked just as well,
: making the ISIC card worthless.

I have dicovered one use for it, you need it to buy cheap airline tickets,
but then you buy the card at the same time as the tickets..
: 

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From: conor@lion.inmos.co.uk (Conor O'Neill)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Credit cards - Visa vs. MasterCard (aka Access)
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:44:44 GMT
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK

>Darren P. Ingram (dingram@dims.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>> In article <1993Jan26.100402.29732@infodev.cam.ac.uk> maj@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>
>> !Midland Arts Card is Mastercard, fee-free, and donates money to arts-related
>> !charities whenever you use it.
>
>> I don't suppose you have an address/tel no?

I have a Bank of Scotland `Affinity' Mastercard. It is free, and on the back
it says: General Enquiries - 0383 621155.

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Xref: sparky uk.misc:3024 rec.arts.tv.uk:7465
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Papa! Nicole! (was Re: Ariston music for TV Advert)
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:34:26 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1993Jan21.104831.8974@alex.com> lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>Wasn't it a blue Ducati ? I know all Ducatis are presumed to be red,
>but I don't think this one was. 

Blue, grey, red, red-white-and-green.
And the blue ones are cheaper, #4999, ('cos they're not red!!).

>Was it just me, or does anyone else think that the advert worked
>better for the m/c than the Clio ??

*Any* bike in an advert is more interesting than the product.


Regards,
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From: monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:18:58 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

cah@jemima.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:
>>>>>> On 18 Jan 93 14:09:04 GMT, fbowles@gssec.bt.co.uk (Frank K Bowles) said:
>Frank> In article <1j6n5hINNa0t@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, esrne@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P I Neaves) writes:
>Phil> Is anyone interested in creating a pub newsgroup - uk.pubs ?

>Frank> Yes and/or uk.beer.   alt.beer is too full of Americans searching for
>Frank> Guinness

>I'm all for the group (uk.beer would be my choice of title) if it
>provides useful information not available elsewhere. As happens with

Would not uk.beer be somewhat narrower in subject matter
than uk.pubs or even uk.drink? My vote would go for one of the latter
two titles.

Nils

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From: ianking@nnsgs52 (Ian King)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Credit cards - Visa vs. MasterCard (aka Access)
Date: 20 Jan 1993 13:49:50 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe Ltd
Reply-To: ianking@lon40.nt.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs52.lon40.nt.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

James Petts (pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <6527@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk> Janusz Lukasiak,
: zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk writes:
: >Has anybody encountered  a retailer who refused, say, a Visa and
: >accepted Access  or vice versa ? I'm talking about some kind of 
: >realistic situations 

A few years ago we only could accept access because they were a lot
cheaper than visa & we didnt have an account with Barclays or other
visa supporting bank. The way credit cards was adminstered was a bit
of a mess so the banks reorganised it so one retailer agreement covers
both access & visa. So I dont see why anybody should refuse either
card. I think its worked out differently for each card but I believe
the net %cut taken is about the same.

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From: kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk (K J MacDonald)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: TeX for a PC
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:56:08 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

People were asking about TeX on the PC. From Festival:

****************************************************************************
BRS/SEARCH               EUCS Software Catalogue                Fri Jan
22 1993

Record 1 of 1              Cost and Availability
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    emTeX

    emTeX is available free from EUCS - users should supply 11 pre-formatted
    1.4Mb disks, or 12 1.2Mb disks.  Please contact Julian Read, EUCS.

****************************************************************************

	Or you could get Linux (Free Un*x for 386/486 PC's from ftp) and
get the whole Un*x distribution (just like castle)

	Kenny.

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: Telly Addicts
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:30:25 GMT

In article <nrp.727961602@reading> nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk writes:
>davidw@fulcrum.co.uk (David Wilkinson) writes:
>
>
>Heard on "Today" on Radio 4 this morning...
>
>According to a survey in this week's Radio Times, 15% of those
>questioned wouldn't give up watching TV in exchange for a million
>pounds.
>
>Sad, isn't it?
>

Not really. If they can't make balanced judgements, they are probably
best left in front of the Square-Faced Nanny. Nicely drugged with
Inspector Morse and Clio adverts.
Regards,
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: French cars are a rip-off
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:53:26 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

rsoc@doc.ic.ac.uk (Rob O'Connor) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.104502.27850@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:

>Recently I've searched for Metro parts around many breakers yards in the
>London area and I think you'd be very lucky to find headlamps for prices
>as low as this. 

I paid 10 quid for an Astra headlamp in pristine condition out a scrappy 2 
weeks ago. 10-15 pounds seems to be the going rate up here after I phoned 
around a few yards. New price was 70 quid.

Dave

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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: US/UK paper size difference, xeroxing
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:19:53 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <JRG.93Jan21121926@oak48.doc.ic.ac.uk> jrg@doc.ic.ac.uk (James Grinter) writes:
> ...          We already use standard paper sizes in the UK (well,
>most of the time).

Except, of course, in our tractor-feed printers where we get 8.5" x
11", eg US.

Damon
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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: US/UK paper size difference, xeroxing
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:16:54 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc
Distribution: uk
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


In article <1993Jan19.131259.9467@comp.lancs.ac.uk> se@comp.lancs.ac.uk
(Steve Elliott) writes:

# This is uk.misc, so please can we talk English?

Yes

# Write TO your congressman

Write to THE TIMES




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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: Those inscrutable cigarette adverts
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:26:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.125128.7420@visionware.co.uk> andyy@visionware.co.uk (Andy Yates) writes:
> should consider this.  Or perhaps the government could pay some of the
> excessive amounts of duty they accrue from idiots like myself being hooked
> towards the fund. (Tongue in cheek idealism methinks).

I'm a strong supporter of people smoking.  Lots and lots of untipped
extra strong, for preference.  Even if the government collected far less
duty than they do, smoking will still reduce the country's social
security burden.

As more and more diseases which kill people in the fifties and sixties
have their incidence reduced, more and more people are living to ripe
old ages.  This costs serious money: penions, care of the elderly, etc.
This will become a larger problem over time as greater proportions of
the population are non-workers.

If people choose to do something that will greatly incraese their
mortality rates at about sixty it reduces the problem, yes?  Even
better, the only part of society increasing its incidence of smoking is
young women --- the very group that would otherwise have the longest
lives.

From a strictly economic point of view (and it's so nice to see you
again, Mr Bentham) smoking is an excellent idea.  And it's taxed as
well!

ian
From: cs_a271@ceres.kingston.ac.uk (Christopher Adams)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup uk.pubs ??
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:18:26 -0000
Organization: Kingston University, Kingston-upon-Thames
Distribution: uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.kingston.ac.uk

In article <loads of them> write:
>
>about uk.pubs / uk.beer

Why not call it 'uk.alcohol', that way it'd encompass beer, cider, whisky,
pubs, breweries, shops and cans. Perhaps it could even be made to stretch
to include lager if people are desperate enough :-)
From: zzatsjl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Janusz Lukasiak)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Symbol for pound sterling
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:07:12 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <C174JH.Iq@exnet.co.uk> s0rah@exnet.co.uk (R A Hollands) writes:
>In article <C15CLw.9zq@micrognosis.co.uk> jharuni@micrognosis.co.uk writes:
>
>What do you call "#"?  In this thread it's been "hash", "hatch" and
>"sharp".  I've also seen "gate" (on instructions for Prestel).
>
>Best of all though is in the docs for PC AWK: there it's called "the
>octothorp".  My dictionary doesn't believe this and I'm not sure I do. 
>Anyone else heard it?

A friend of mine, who works on international standards of various sorts,
mentioned this word once as an example of ISOspeak. 
Even he, paid for ISOising everything in sight,
uses 'octothorp' only as a joke. BTW, his another favourite is that
apparently, 'octets' are not necessarily of 8 bit length, so one can have
16-bit octets. Don't know whether he was serious ...

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: alla0008@student.tc.umn.edu (Graham Allan)
Subject: Re: Camilla-gate
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: uk
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:06:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.094705.17056@cs.hw.ac.uk> adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes:
>
>Here's another thought:
>If the newspaper editors think it's so important that the public be made
>aware of the private lives of important people, why don't they publish
>details of their own (or each other's) sex lives?  Either they don't have
>any, which explains their fascination with everyone else's, or we have a
>right to know what they get up to.
>:-)

Er, remember Andrew Neill, Donald Trelford, Pamella Bordes?

Not that it was remotely interesting either...

Graham.
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: French cars are a rip-off
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78AC7C8EB020855@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:49:44 GMT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:49:40 GMT

In article <1k2vb0INNmq@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> Richard Porter, rap@bnr.co.uk
writes:
>Well buy a car that uses standard round or rectangular headlamps. I had
to
>get a new one for my Mini Marcos and it cost about GBP 24. The unit was
>made by Valeo.

Buy a car that user replaceable bulbs. A new bulb for my MX-5 cost UKL4.75

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From: rap@bnr.co.uk (Richard Porter)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Symbol for pound sterling
Date: 19 Jan 1993 13:13:16 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs193.bnr.co.uk

In article <C13IJG.nw@micrognosis.co.uk> jharuni@micrognosis.co.uk
(Jonathan Haruni) writes:

>A lot of people seem to use the symbol "#" (NUMBER) in place of the crossed
>letter ell (STERLING) when refering to the British Pound Sterling.
>Has this become some sort of de-facto standard ?  I find it uncomfortable
>to read "#10" as "ten pounds".

No, it's not a standard and it's not really acceptable. The problem is that
many printers and terminals have a number of different national character sets,
and in the UK set the pound sign usually replaces the hash in the North
American character set. When you see a hash it is quite likely that a UK
user has typed a pound sign and is not aware of the problem.

>- The symbol "#" is sometimes called the "pound sign".  Purely a homonym,
>  I believe, but a convenient one.  Perhaps people take advantage of this
>  pun.

That's a new one on me!

>- If you strip off the eighth bit of the ISO STERLING symbol, the remaining
>  7-bit character is the NUMBER sign.  Perhaps some people are generating
>  the 8-bit STERLING symbol in their news postings, not realizing that the
>  articles are usually transported in 7-bit format.  Some UK keyboards even
>  have the STERLING symbol on the keyboard in the place where the NUMBER
>  one usually is.  But if it is used in a news posting, everyone sees "#".

The second half of the paragraph hits the problem right on the head. I don't
think the 8-bit internal representation of a pound sign on those computer
systems capable of making the distinction between pound and hash is just one
bit different from the hash sign.

>- Perhaps the NUMBER sign is an accepted alternative to the STERLING one,
>  and I don't know about it.

No!

>If "#" is not an acceptable alternative to the real symbol, what would
>be an acceptable way of writing "10 pounds" in mail ?  Just a capital ell,
>like "L10" ?   Spell it out in full, like "10 pounds" ?

A capital "L" (for libra) is much better than "#". Incidentally, the hash
sign is not used in the UK to mean "number" anything like as much as it is
in the US. The normal abbreviation is "No.".


Richard Porter
Newsgroups: uk.misc