HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S)
Subject: Law officers obliged to identification?
Keywords: Do they?
Reply-To: jscsp@acad3.alaska.ed
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:59:48 GMT

Well, I heard that any peace keeping officers, as being paid by tax payers,
must identify him/herself if inquired, is this true.

This obviously isn't gov.law or anything, I posted it here so you can all see 
how this might be used, if true. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman)
Subject: Re: Home Appliances which get you...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:31:38 GMT

lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

>kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen) writes:


>>	I trying to put together a list of home products which
>>a person can get high off of.  I will start the list with a couple
>>of my favorites, but would really appreaciate if others would add
>>theirs too.  Thanks.

[blah blah blah]

>How about Peanut Shells!

Is serious or a joke?  If real, what the hell do they do?  I've eaten peanuts
shells and all and never felt the least bit screwed up...  As far as I know
peanut shells are probably just fiber.  Makes your colon feel good huh? Is that
what you where getting a t Lamont? :)

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:58:42 GMT

In <1992Jul29.203036.383@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Pete Hartman writes:
>> Not surprised that you'd contend this.
>> However, I still beg to differ.
>You're differing from what I didn't contend.
>By testing substances across organisms we discover a class
>of substances similar in their effects.  One example is
>that some substances are self administered in amounts
>leading to addiction.  The data replicate.  Collect your own.
>The apparatus isn't esoteric these days, although hardly cheap.

Define "addiction".  Perhaps that's the problem--I don't see
the problem with "addiction" if it's simply a matter of
habitual drug use that doesn't interfere with the users
life.

All (or the fast majority of) the things that make "addiction" the
destructive stigmatizing phenomenon that it is are psychological.
That was the point of my huge quote.  How can you compare the
psychology of rats, cats, dogs, and monkeys to that of humans?
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                                Ma gavte la nata
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:18:20 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

dmh@world.std.com (David M Harmon) writes:
: 
: 	2) Flashbacks/Free Trips.  My impression is that these usually
: recapture the feelings, attitude, and experiences of some *previous*
: trip.  What causes them is scientifically uncertain, but my firm
: belief is that an acid-head has potentially "learned" (or gained a
: tendency) to reach the "trippy" state without the drug.  When the head
: happens to get into a similar state, they then slip into a free trip.
: This can be inconvenient, but not usually a big problem unless you
: start acting irrationally (social problems) or flash back to a
: *bad* trip.  (See above!)

I seem to recall reading several years ago about what was commonly
thought to be the cause of 'flashbacks' -- that the LSD doesn't
get absorbed/used up 100% right away, and it is possible for remnants
to remain active for some time after taking it.  Hence a flashback
could occur for some time afterwards.  Any knowledgeable folks out
there who could comment on this?


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From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: Re: Dangers of Use
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:28:11 GMT

In article <2A720E72.806@ics.uci.edu> mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) writes:
>Just what are the dangers of using most illegal drugs?  (And legal ones as
>well!)  It would seem to me (as a non-user) that anything that's going to
>cause hallucinations would probably be messing something up in your head...
>
>Thanks.

The problem with that attitude is that most non-hallucinogen users
misinterpret the concept of hallucinations as being something really
bad.  After using LSD for quite some time, I can now find 'hallucinogenic
properties' in really every drug, including alcohol, nitrous, THC, etc.  If
you don't consider the room spinning around your head a hallucination,
then you need to redefine the word.

Same with pot -- I know many people who use pot regularly who don't 
consider it a hallucinogen whatsoever.  In medium to large doses, I
definitely experience what I would call hallucinations.

Drinking tons of coffee might make you jittery and might even alter
your state of consciousness to an extent (I really noticed this during
finals.)  After finals, I almost even considered caffeine a hallucinogen.

we're probably just arguing semantics, though..

-marc 
andersom@spot.colorado.edu





Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: instant addiction?
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:38:26 GMT

Bill Skaggs writes:
> Usually it requires dozens of exposures [to cause addition]
> The controlling factor seems
> to be the time delay between the behavior (i.e. taking a drug) and
> activation of the brain's pleasure center (the neural pathway leading
> from the ventral tegmental area of the midbrain to the nucleus
> accumbens).  Crack cocaine causes very fast activation -- within a few
> seconds -- and can sometimes lead to addiction in 3-4 exposures or
> possibly even fewer.

Then if we administered crack with a variable time delay introduced
between the qualifying response and attainment of the CNS events you
specfify, it would be less addictive.  I'm unfamiliar with the
behavioral pharmacology literature here, who has performed this test?

>> When this phenomenon was first observed, it 
>> created a great deal of consternation among the behaviorists. 
>
> Did it ever!  One well-known researcher was overheard to say, "These
> findings are no more likely than birdshit in a cuckoo clock".

When it was later discovered that the behaviors were species specific,
the qualified findings were indeed more likely.

> Yeah; but the general consensus is that [conditioned aversion]
> doesn't work very well.

It's a robust and powerful phenomenon.  If someone can't figure out
how to apply it usefully that's a different thing.  (Most of us know
stories that end "and that's why he never drinks <X> anymore".
That's an example of how it can work without being much use.
Many things are useless when they happen by accident.)

> You are right to be hesitant.  Conditioned taste aversion has some
> very special properties, and there is a decent amount of evidence that
> it is produced by a special neural mechanism, not involved in any
> other kind of learning.

Correct.  If you omit "neural" it means precisely the same thing.

> There is also reason to think that one-trial
> active avoidance learning in general involves mechanisms different
> from those that come into play in positive learning.

and yet

> Positive one-trial learning *does* occur, quite commonly

So it would be more concise to say that we think one-trial learning
is different from operant learning.

> Still, one-trial learning does not necessarily mean
> addiction.  Addiction is a difficult thing to operationally define in
> the first place, and there is no way I know of to infer it from the
> results of a single trial, so even if one-trial addiction could occur,
> it would be hard for us to tell.

How to tell:

  (1) Chemical and/or physiological change of system from resting state.
  (2) Withdrawal
  (3) Tolerance (measured on second trial, acquired on first)

> But even having said that: I bet if you rigged a button so that when
> somebody pushed it, they'd immediately have the most intense orgasm of
> their entire lives, at least a few people would be addicted after a
> single push.

The three tests above apply to deciding whether they're addicted
or it's simply a positive reinforcer.

-- Jon
From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: pgp keys in .sigs
Date: 25 Jul 92 07:59:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <-!dmkkm.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>: 
>: I agree, although I wish people would get a clue as to what anarchy is
>: all about.  I suspect that for most people, the essence of "anarchy" is
>: contained in KIBO, the "feed the spooks" thread, and other such banalities.
>: It doesn't make me feel very hopeful.
>
>By all means please enlighten us Kurt.

I'm not Kurt, and I _know_ I'm not very good at enlightening Bob ;-) but
I think the essential point is that anarchy is not equivalent to chaos, nor
does it necessarily lead in that direction.  Anarchy is exactly that, a society
with no _archos_, or government.  In its successful forms, it's a cooperative
process, the primary facet of which is that individuals group together when
necessary to perform what are more traditionally considered the important
functions of government, without the need to submit themselves to the whim of
a government to acquire said services.  The Usenet is a great example of a
cooperative anarchy, and I think it's holding up very well.  There is no central
method of control, now that we are beyond the days of the Backbone Cabal, and 
yet chaos does _not_ reign supreme.  What Kurn mentions above -- KIBO,
"feed the spooks", and such banalities, a list to which I might add the
Mad Canceller debate and all such -- these are tendencies towards chaos, and
yet people often point at them and say, "Look!  We're descending into anarchy!"
NO, GODDAMNIT, WE'RE DESCENDING _FROM_ ANARCHY.  At least, from one of the nicer
forms thereof.  Of course, the whole last bit is predicated upon the Imminent
Death line actually being true, which I don't think it is.  There will always
be some amount of chaos in any system, but I don't think it's out of hand.
-- 
Thor Lancelot Simon	 tls@panix.COM

"Better be careful there.  John might decide to start taking legal action
against people who refuse to buy stuff from him."  --Kevin McBride
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig)
Subject: Re: LSD - After effects
Keywords: LSD, Acid, flashback, Ren & Stimpy
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:41:03 GMT


Question:  Has anyone out there ever actually had a flash-back?  Better
still, what exactly is a flash-back supposed to be like?  I sometimes
think that it sounds like another one of those stories cooked up to scare
people, or maybe it's PCP that causes these.  I've done more than enough L.
and have never had anything noticeable in the way of after effects.  Maybe
a little bit of spurious visual effects - very minor and not at all
disturbing.  If a flash back is supposed to be like the original trip 
feeling, doesn't sound all that bad to me.  Anyway...
-- 
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|craig@ug.cs.dal.ca               are mine, all mine, and you can't have them|
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mcarnnah@nyx.cs.du.edu (M. John Carnnahan)
Subject: Greetings...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 05:17:23 GMT


Recently I have become an advocate for the reform of marijuana laws.
This prompted me to check my local area (Kansas City, Kansas) for a
chapter of NORML.... 
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be one...
Could anyone out there point me in the direction of information on how to
start one....
Y
You may notice from my sig that I'm already hoping/dreaming....

Later....toke one for me!
John...
`
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Director of the   |  Save the Plant that can save our Planet!
Kansas City, KS   |  Finger me for updates on the War on the 'War on Drugs'
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:24:33 GMT

Pete Hartman writes:
> There is no documented evidence of either "withdrawal" or "tolerance"
> in humans in the *usual* sense WRT to cocaine.

I understand your claim.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: All night dance parties (Zombie Ravers)
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:25:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) writes:
: In article <1992Jul21.033817.28034@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.UUCP (andy) writes:
: >Other drugs like nitrous, ketamine, acid are
: >popular at US raves, too, as you might expect...
: 
: Ketamine as a rave drug?  What, for zombie ravers?  I can think of
: anything, short of phenobarb or Thorazine, that would be a worse
: drug for raving.  Have you really seen ket. used at raves?  Has
: anybody?

That had to be a slip of the tounge.  Dancing and ketamine are oxymorons.

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

Stomp out intolerance!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: LSD->Insanity (ooh, scary!)
Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office @ The Univ. of KY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:37:29 GMT

I don't know about legally insane... that definition can be pretty
"fuzzy". It may vary from state to state, and may depend on the
subjective analysis of PHDs.

It's interesting that an LSD tripper has pretty much the same symptoms
of someone with acute schizophrenia. Imagine taking a dose... but it
never wears off...

Sean
-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Home Appliances which get you...
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:21:27 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen) writes:

> 	I trying to put together a list of home products which
> a person can get high off of.  I will start the list with a couple
> of my favorites, but would really appreaciate if others would add
> theirs too.  Thanks.
> 
> Product			Usesage			Comments
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Robotussin DM		drink 4/8/12 oz		like PCP and Heroin
> Scotch Guard 3m		inhale deeply		like NO3 - be sure to
> 						get the right kind!
> Nutmeg			Smoke until happy	headache possible
> Nutmeg			drink a match box	hallucinations likely
> 			amount in water	
> Banana Peels		Smoke dried until :)	headache possible
> 
> 	Feel free to add your own...

        Re: 3M Scotch Guard

        WHY would anyone want to do something that's like NO3? I assume 
it's similar to NO2, which is toxic... (Maybe it isn't similar, 
considering that N2O is supposed to be really neat.. but then again..)

---
Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:42:23 -0400 
From: William Spaulding Wood <ww1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Drugs
Distribution: usa

From: _The New Social Drug: Cultural, Medical, ad Legal Perspectives on
Marijuana_
Editor: David E. Smith
Pub.: Prentice-Hall, Inc, N.J., 1970

Page 32:
Regualr users (of marijuana) do get high after smoking marijuana in a
neutral setting but do not show the same degree of impairment of
performance on the tests as niave subjects.  In some cases, their
performance even appears to improve slightly after smoking marijuana. 
-end quote

This obviously doesn't mean everybody.  But, if a sedative-hypnotic-mild
hallucinogen *can* improve performance, then maybe, just maybe, a
stimulant, like, say, acid, might just make you a bit more jumpy, and as
a result, quicker on the draw.  And hey, what better place to
hallucinate than the Jungle/Desert, while bullets wizz by.  No paranoia
there.

    ~wig, the forgettable, editable egg(head)
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:14:41 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: birth control pills

Hello.  Does anyone know of any drugs that have bad effects when used when
someone is on birth control pills?  I kind of think there's not much danger,
but I was told to ask, so I will...

-me

"Drugnet:  'The FAQs, man, where's the FAQs?"
From: pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip C. Kilinskas)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Info. on nutmeg
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:09:49 GMT
Organization: UB

lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

>I think there might be other essential oils in nutmeg which can be
>used to make TMA, MDMA, MDA and other nifty shit...  Offhand, I can't
>remember which ones are in nutmeg and which ones you need to find
>elsewhere -- again see PiHKAL.

Safrole is the essential oil which converts to MDA/MDMA; I believe 
the precursor to TMA is asarone, which isn't present in any significant
ammount in nutmeg.  
Phil
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,talk.politics.drugs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:01:39 GMT

Bill Skaggs writes:
>Jon Krueger writes:
>   There is a class of substances whose mere exposure leads to addiction.

> Am I misreading this, or are you saying that for some drugs
> administering the drug to somebody without their consent
> would cause them to be addicted?

Close.  There are some substances that administered to the
organism with or without its consent will eventually cause
addiction.  The consent has nothing to do with it.  Mere
exposure means exactly that.

> If this is what you're saying, can you cite some evidence
> to back it up?

Sure.  Better yet, you can collect your own.  The procedures
are well understood.  This particular statement admits of
some tests that are even cheap.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Partial Legalization
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:37:42 GMT

Pete Hartman writes:

> Your summary has no content without citations to back it up

You prefer reports of data to data itself?

> You have asserted that cocaine is addictive in humans

Once again (how many times?  I've lost count) you're differing
with something I never said.  Read what I wrote.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: ta-vg11@muddnext1.cc.columbia.edu (Vikas Gupta)
Newsgroups: alt.co-evolution
Subject: ENVIRONMENT FACTS
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:52:45 GMT
Organization: Columbia University


some interesting facts about ourselves

*****************************************************************
 to produce one can of corn containing 270 cal the agricultural
sector uses up 2700 cal.

 transportation is responsible for 38% of C emission in the usa

 usa is responsible for 27% of all CO2 and 45% of all nitrous oxide
emissions.

 superpowers and key nations in europe account for 75% of all the
military spendings.

 70% of all the research and development in the usa is military
related activity.

 of the tax money 54% goes to military
                   2%      to housing
                   2%      to education

 human species now consumes over 40% of all energy produced by
photosynthesis leaving only 60% for all other creatures. with human
pop expected to double early in the next century, our consumption
will increase to 80%.

 the average family in the usa now affects the environment 40 times
more than the average family in india.

 the per capita consumption of energy in the usa 350 times greater
than in haiti.

 a middle class american uses up enough energy to support 200 human
slaves.

 the average american  watchs 4hrs of TV everyday.

 in a survey of geographic literacy (1988)
        -57% could identify england on the world map
        -55% could identify newyork state on the US map
        -1 in 7 couldnot identify the USA
        -1 in 4 could not identify the USSR
 yet suprisingly of the same respondents
        -84% were aware that CFC's may be destroying the ozone 
        -94% realized the impact of ozone loss

 for the cost of the stealth bomber program (~$68 billion) the
government could pay for 2/3 of the projected costs of the clean
water program over the next 10yrs.

 for the cost of 3 B-1B bombers, the fedral government could finance
its program on renewable energy research for 2 yrs.

 3 weeks of global military spending could pay for primary health
care for the children in the third world, preventing over 5 million
deaths from diarrhea and other diseases.

 4 days of global military spending (~$8 billion) could finance a 5
year action plan to protect the worlds remaining tropical forests.

 the cost of one nuclear weapon test alone could finance the
installation of 80,000 hand pumps, giving third world villages
access to clean water.

                
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