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Please save personal responses to other people posings for E-mail. You
needn't have to tell us every detail of your conversation, but if you feel
it's necessary try highlights.

Also, save the political commentary for E-mail or talk.politics, if it does
not relate to the Eighteenth Century then it doesn't belong here.

Now, for the original reason I began this post...
Does anyone know the socio-political situation in France and the government
that influenced their involvement in the revolution and any prime movers of
this (besides Ben Franklin)?
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From:         JWALSH@MIDD.BITNET
Subject:      anthology of philosophes?

I'm preparing a course on self and sociability in the work of
French moralists and philosophes of the 17th and 18th centuries.
The course is in English translation.  Does anyone know of an
anthology that might include selections in translation of
La Rochefoucauld, La Bruyere, Montesquieu, Voltaire, Rousseau or
others?  I have found nothing in Books in Print, but would appreciate
an old anthology, too.

If responses are not appropriate for C18-L, please write to me directly
 jwalsh@midd.bitnet
Thank you,
Jonathan Walsh
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From:         Hans Rollmann <hrollman@MORGAN.UCS.MUN.CA>
Subject: Re: British naval officer

Are we talking about the instructor of seamen, John Meares, who accompanied
Prince William Henry on his trip to Newfoundland and the West Indies and
attacked the prince twice with a knife?  HANS ROLLMANN
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From:         "Karen M. Bush" <kb2v+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: GUY FAWKES

Here's some more.  According to the same source, you are obliged to
perform a thanksgiving service on 5 November.  YOu get off the hook
here if it's after 1859.    A word more on the burning barrells, started
in 1688 and still preserved in Ottery St Mary: "Nine barrells (the
largest being an immense 65 gallon hogshead) are thinkly coated with
bitumen, and carried blazing on the shoulders of running men.  When the
heat becomes too great for one 'roller'--minimum protective clothing is
worn--he passes it to another until it disintegrates."   In Hatherleigh,
they put the barrels on sledges and drag them to light the big bonfire.

Linda Troost  (oh, you can also say "Penny for the Guy" when making rounds.)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 23:16:20 GMT
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              3 Nov 1992 15:13:43 EST from <primer@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU>

Have we yet had an adequate definition of cynicism?  How about, "Cynicism: the
the enervating response to the spectacle of injustice triumphant; or, sulfuric
acid splashed on the sentient soul."
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:11:45 -0600
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Subject:      Re: 18th-c. plays

Many thanks,Paula, for your thoughtful -- and detailed -- reply. Yes, I would
like the pamphlet, and thank you for sending it.

If it not be too much trouble, I think a list of the playwrights/plays included
would be very helpful. One could save it in a file, and use for future ref.
I'm sure I'm not alone with respect to this!

Throw a snowball for me!

Ciao,

--Bob
RDawson@UTxVms
UnivTx-Austin
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Subject: 18th-c. plays
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  I know we've recently had a discussion about 18th-c. drama
in print, so I apologize for bringing the topic up again.
I want to teach Lillo's *The London Merchant* and Cumberland's
*The West Indian* next term.  Are these anthologized anywhere,
or should I start writing away for permissions right away?
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From:         FETHE <fethe@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      anthology of philosophes

In re to Jonathan Walsh's request for anthologies of 17th and 18th c.
philosophes in english translation, I haven't checked on what is out lately,
but I recall using Norman torrey's little paperback "Les Philosophes" put out
by Capricorn books in the 60's.  Much better, but possibly out of print, was
Fellows and Torrey (eds): "The Age  of ENLIGHTENMENT: An Anthology of
Eighteenth Century French Literature," issued by Appleton-Century Crofts.
And of course, Peter Gay's "The Enlightenment," a Touchstone Book, is a lot
of fun--it has more than French thinkers but the Frrench still make up the
bulk of the volume.  I'd be glad to know if there are any better--and more
recent--anthologies in this area.

Chaarles Fethe
Kean College
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:38:30 -0500
From:         "(Germaine Warkentin)" <warkent@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Marriage Act

Margaret Anne Doody, in her superlative review of vols. I-III of
Johnson's letters (London Review of Books, 5 November, 1992) mentions
"Hardwicke's Marriage Act", which "made the marriages of the middle
classes into dynastic arrengements under control of the parents in the
name of proberty" and consequently  "freshly recreated an elaborate
code of filial obedience."  Can anyone direct a non-specialist to a
brisk and up-to-date account of the Marriage Act?

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Germaine Warkentin                                     warkent@epas.utoronto.ca
English, Victoria College, University of Toronto
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:42:40 -0600
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Subject:      Re: Punctuation

The message re punctuation, and spelling, reminds me to ask a question:

does anyone know of a study which examines the question of the long- vs.
the short-s? I am interested in a number of things: when first used, for
what purpose[s]; rules for use, etc. Especially in the 18th C., but the
earlier periods as well.

I've gone thru a number of contemp. printing manuals, but failed to find
an adequate discussion of the issue[s].

Merci a` l'avance!

--Bob Dawson
UnivTx-Austin
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:11:26 -0600
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Subject:      Re: early French journalism

Anent early French journalism, Renaudot, etc.: Jean Sgard's various books;
his most recent Dict. des journaux; the Dict. des journalistes (and many
supplements). Etc.

I would think that modern books wld supplant older ones. But I would also
look at Hatin's classic bibliography (which is annotated), and his multi-
vol. history of the press.

Bonne chance!

--Bob Dawson
UnivTx-Austin
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From:         "Luis Gamez, Fordham University,
              New York City" <GAMEZ@FORDMURH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GUY FAWKES

And please also to remember that the fifth of November is the birthday (in
1718) of that celebrated author and hobbyhorsical philosopher, Tristram Shandy.

Louie Gamez
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Subject:      Re: Punctuation

Thank you, Kathleen, for your useful reference anent the long-s.

--Bob Dawson
UnivTx-Austin
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:07:09 CDT
From:         Peter Davis <AXTHEPD@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Hunter's ANDROBOROS

      As far as I know there are no sustained discussions of Hunter's
 ANDROBOROS (ca 1715). In lieu of a substantial study, however, you might try
 my 1981 PhD dissertation from USC, entitled "The Writing of ANDROBOROS: A
 Historical Study and Annotation of America's Earliest Extant Play." I tried to
 provide a comprehensive examination of the political and social circumstances
 surrounding the writing of the play, during Hunter's administration. I also
 published a handful of articles in wayward journals on the topic, including a
 short study of the play's publication date (which I discovered could not have
 been any earlier than 1715, despite the date on the cover -- the day Queen
 Anne died), and another short piece in which I identify one of the pivotal
 characters as an Anglican minister from Connecticut, Rev. Francis Philips --
 who has been incorrectly identified as Adolphe Phillipse. I have also written
 on my belief that Huner had assistance in writing the play from Lewis Morris.
 See "Determining the Date of Robert Hunter's ANDROBOROS," THEATRE SURVEY (MAY,
 1984); "Identification of 'Flip' in Robert Hunter's ANDROBOROS," THEATRE
 SURVEY (Nov. 1985); "Evidence of Collaboration in the Writing ofANDROBOROS,"
 RESTORATION AND 18TH CENTURY THEATRE RESEARCH (Summer 1988).!
      Admittedly, none of this is very substantial, but it may be of help.

 Peter Davis
 Dept. of Theatre
 U of Illinois
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Subject: RE: 18th-century punctuation (English)
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:09:00 GMT
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	One source for the punctuation style of 18th c writers,
as distinct from 18th c printers, is Adam Smith's Lectures on Rhetoric
and Belles Lettres edited J C Bryce which is available from Oxford
for the GNP of Bolivia or from Liberty Classics for $7.00. This
edition is a careful reprinting of student lecture notes from Smith's
famous course on rhetoric.

	Before someone out there grumbles about economic imperalism,
let me note that James Boswell took this course.

	Anyway, what is interesting in this modern edition of an
unpublished ms. is the convention that a semicolon acts as a full
stop: an upper case letter may follow the semicolon. In the
Lectures Smith is careful to point out that a sentence is a complete
thought. Thus, a student who uses a semicolon as a full stop is
punctuating by Smith's rules.

	It turns out that modern computerized style checkers are
sensitive to the convention of what terminates a sentence. These
things pay a lot of attention to sentence length; consequently, to
create short sentences one need not write like Hemingway, one need
only use frequent semicolons.

David Levy
Public Choice
George Mason University
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:49:16 CST
From:         "Andrea H. Swank" <C534357@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      character id

If anybody is able to identify the following characters:
                  Beatrice de Ferara
                      or
            Count Fellipe d'Aubin

please respond to me privately at: <c534357@mizzou1>


            Many Thanks!   Andrea H. Swank
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Subject: Long S Lives!
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        The easiest way to motivate standard calculus
notation is to remark that a while a Greek S, big sigma,
marks a summation over discrete intervals, the defunct English long S
marks a summation over continuous intervals. The standard
integral notation is just a long S.

        I tell my econometrics students that they are learning
the Greek letters free for nothing, so textual specialists
who run into Stan Frieberg's "Pufuit of Happinefs" problem,
might explain to your class that you are learning how to
parse a Reimann Integral.

David Levy
Public Choice
George Mason University
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:49:43 CST
From:         ENCOPE@LSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      A Season of Elections

Annibel Jenkins, a long-time servant of ASECS and a member of the
nominating committee for the Executive Board, has asked me to urge
all ASECS members to exercise their voting privileges in the next
ASECS elections.  Annibel informs me that participation in the
annual vote is astonishingly low--with 53 votes cast in a recent
election for this 2000+ organization, our participation rate is
dipping below 2%!  Perhaps there is a high degree of satisfaction
with ASECS--but, if so, do express that unanimity with the power of
your ballot!  Of course, this announcement is an example of the
confluence of private vices and public benefits, as I do hope that
some of you will notice my name on the ballot for Member-at-Large of
the Executive Committee.  Sometime before the election, I shall be
announcing my platform, which I hope will attract your vote of
confidence!  Thank you all so much.

Cordially yours,

Kevin L. Cope
Louisiana State University
SCSECS President
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Subject: counterfeit nations
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How about Lilliput?
SDILL@CHARLIE.USD.EDU
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I would have to dig back through some very old files to confirm this, but
I have some recollection of examining Scottish editions of the 1760s in
which long s was not used. I also recall having the impression that Edinburgh
printers were rather in advance of their London counterparts in other sorts
of typographical housecleaning, tending to stay away from the upper case
and the italic font. Still, this is no more than a subjective impression.

RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY
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Date: 12 Nov 92 19:44:06 GMT
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>How about Lilliput?
>SDILL@CHARLIE.USD.EDU

Good example, no doubt.  Fictional nations may be easy to come
by, e.g. Cyrano's, on the Moon.  But "counterfeit" nations?
Reminds me of the newspaper filler, some years ago, of a
traveler from the Near East who, in completing a customs form,
gave his nationality as "Assyrian."  An honest mistake, and a
real country, though a bit out of date.  Unless he'd discovered
some vitamins I'm unaware of...

Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
From: warkent@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ((Germaine Warkentin))
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              "jsvilpis@ACS.UCALGARY.CA" at Nov 5, 92 2:16 pm

Janis, you must be speaking of Barbara Belyea's work on the explorer David
Thompson.  If she is doing a critical edition, she should resist all
attempts to change punctuation on the part of copy editors if she has
established, on critical principles, that the punctuation is that of
the originator of the manuscript.  I have recently completed an
anthology of exploration materials for Oxford Canada which will be out
in March.  Much of the material is 18th century.  Some of it has been
re-edited from scratch, and in other cases I was given permission to
use standard critical editions.  I emphasised firmly to my publishers
the necessity of preserving the punctuation (even to the blank spaces
in Peter Pond), and they have been extremely co-operative.  The
imposition of a "house style" on critically edited material is quite
wrong. If Barbara can use this experience to bring her publishers
into line, tell her to go ahead.  You might point out that to impose a
house style will completely devalue the "edition" as an authoritative
text; perhaps that will convince them.  If not, the reviewers will
have their revenge.

On 18th century punctuation, I suggest you look at Malcolm Parkes,
_Pause and Effect_, which is a history of punctuation by a
distinguished palaeographer and goes right up to modern times.  It is
so recent that it is possibly just appearing in the library. U. of
Cal. Press, over here, I think.

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Germaine Warkentin                                     warkent@epas.utoronto.ca
English, Victoria College, University of Toronto
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From:         "Karen M. Bush" <kb2v+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: E-oops?

Someone wishes to see the VAX, a mystical force in the natural world--
or rather the less than natural.  Who?  Clearly two human characters
who cross the line into the land of the fairies (not into gremlin land):
RedCross Knight and Bottom.

Linda Troost
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From:         Johan Schimanski <johansc@ULRIK.UIO.NO>
Subject:      Re: E-oops?

>
>Gremlins.  Ignore.  RCR
>
>

Sorry but I could not resist putting a discursive virus into this
discussion. Is RCR being straight with us? What if he has just discovered a
new artform - the forged e-oops? Delicately designed (with exactly the
right mix of picant details) to give us the thrill of thinking we have
eavesdropped on someone's private correspondance? Carefully placed on our
list just to see what junk postings (like this one) it can produce?

(I remind the list that it was the 18th century which invented the forgery
of literature, nations and individuals, just in case this message seems
totally irrelevant)

        J.


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From:         WARMCN@AC.DAL.CA
Subject:      South Sea Bubble

I am collecting anecdotal information on the South Seas Bubble (1720),
or on any related "Bubble" of 1720.  This might include journal entries,
letters or well-known stories about lost fortunes, bankruptcies or
gained fortunes.  I am particularly interested in the latter since
the winners were few.  The John Carswell book THE SOUTH SEA BUBBLE
(1961) is good on how individual directors or their friends gained,
but I'm looking for material more along the lines of popular urban
myth (.i.e., somebody made a fortune in the stocks and build a
hospital for the poor--that kind of thing).
    Thanks,      David McNeil (WARMCN@DALAC)
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Subject: Re: Punctuation
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:09:00 GMT
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In theory, at least, the long s first left us with Bell's
+British Theatre+ in the 1790s.  That may explain why Linda
Troost observed it there.  Was she reading Bell's collection?
William Proctor Williams                 TB0WPW1@NIU
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