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From: justin@galaxia.network23.com (Justin Brierley)
Subject: Junta, Albany
Organization: Dave's Very Own Personal System
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:19:57 GMT

Howdy,
  Well, I'd like to be childish for a moment here(because I'm sick & I get
childish when I get sick) but I'd like to point out that I brought up the
possibility of the 2 disc in one package long ago. Thanks to the boys for
coming through with this.

NEXT!

Anybody in RI, or even Mass, going to the Albany show? I am desperately
searching for a ride. If I can't get one by Tuesday I won't be able to go
because I can't afford $50 for a bus. I might be able to provide a place for
you to stay, but I'll have to check up on that before I promise anything.
I'll be emotionally distraught for life if I miss this show, it's supposed to
be my first full length show.
From: swift@kenyon.edu (ALEX)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Help!
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:39:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Nov11.013950.12016
Reply-To: swift@kenyon.edu
Organization: The Internet

I am now setting out my plea for three tickets for the new year's show -
PLEASE, does anyone have three extras, by any wonderful miracle? You don't
know how much it would please me, my slow friend in MA, and my best friend
returning from the semester in Spain!
So, if anyone can help out, I'd be grateful, and would also be willing to pay
the service charges. Thank you VERY much, Alex.  swift@kenyon.edu
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From: kd3e@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Kingsley Durant Jr)
Subject: Re: needing steve swallow info
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:50:19 GMT

More Swallography: 3 great trio records with John Scofield and
Adam Nussbaum from the early '80's:

Out Like A Light (ENJA)
Shinola (ENJA)
--both recorded live at a small club in Germany
Bar Talk (Arista)
--recorded in the studio, 1980

(all under Scofield's name)

<<Kingsley Durant>>
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Jazz/Bach fusion?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.025521.774@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) writes:
>burger@sphinx.ece.wisc.edu (Dick Burger) writes:
>The album that I know where he plays cello is WHERE? (Prestige, probably
>an OJC reissue now), with George Duvivier on bass, Eric Dolphy, Mal
>Waldron, and Charlie Persip. Theis was recorded in 1961.

Yes, I think that is a Mal Waldron side called THE QUEST.  There are
some great Mal compositions on that.  I think the bassist might be Joe
Benjamin, who also played with Duke Ellington.  (Dig his sound on Blues
For New  Orleans from the New Orleans Suite)

>He playes piccolo bass on several more recent albums where he is leading
>a group. I believe he does this so that he can have a bass player
>playing the bass part while he essentially plays a horn line; if he
>did it on bass, he might blend in with the other bassist.

Yes, often it was the combination Buster Williams and Ben Riley.
Did he also have Kenny Baron on piano?

Jeff
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From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: DIxie Dregs old material
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:54:25 GMT

In article <korins-071192171708@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu>, korins@pop.cis.yale.edu (Russ Korins) writes:
>Was there an album called something like "The Best of the Dixie Dregs" from
>maybe 1986 or 87?  I'm trying to find it and, even though it seems to be
>out of print, thought someone might know about it here.
>
>Thanks for any info.
>
>-------------------
>Russ Korins
>korins@pop.cis.yale.edu

There's a CD entitled THE BEST OF THE DREGS DIVIDED WE STAND (Arista ARCD-
8608).  I believe this came out in 1989 or so.  I thought it was still 
available (ie., thought I'd seen it in a store somewhere recently), but could 
be wrong.

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
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From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Where's Lennie Tristano???
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:23:44 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu


[query about Tristano records]

Tristano's records are occasionally available in better used record
bins in more civilized parts of the continent. For instance, I just
saw the Atlantic 2-fer Requiem listed in a recent Wayside catalog
(yes, I sent for a copy). 

I believe Crosscurrents, with a side of Lennie (including the famous
early free improvisations Intuition and Digression) and a side of
Thad Jones (or was it Cameron) is still in print. Otherwise, the Savoy
Jazz compilation 2-lp The Modern Jazz Piano has some scrumptious Tristano
trio cuts. It's easily found in cutout bins.

If you're really lucky, you might be able to find the wild record with
Descent into the Maelstrom, his multitracked solo.

I'm really not that fond of the Tristano records that are easier to
get, like NY Improvisations. They seem much safer than the ones I
listed.

Bill
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From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Cadence Magazine
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 11 NOV 92 16:51:27    


I've only seen two issues of Cadence in my life.  One was shown to me by my
guitarist because there was a review of our albums in it, the other I saw in a
library the other day.   The most amazing part (to me) was the records for
sale in the middle, stuff from labels I *never* see in stores.  But as a $25 a
year record catalog, it's a bit expensive.  Any regular subscribers out there
want to talk about it as a *magazine*?  Worth the investment?

How about the Canadian jazz magazine Coda?  


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From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Current Contents -- CODA Magazine (Nov/Dec 92)
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:02:46 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba

Here is a rundown of the articles in the latest issue of CODA.

* Myra Melford interview

* CD Reviews from the Fantasy catalog by John Norris

* 1992 Ottawa and Montreal jazz fests reviewed by Marc Chenard

* Joe Lovano interview

* Muggsy Spanier essay by Tex Wyndham

* Francois Houle (Tribute to John Carter) interview

* Piano Jazz:  review of 10 CDs by John Sutherland

* Jazz Video Update by Scott Yanow  (including John Carter/Bobby Bradford:
  The New Music, and Jackie McLean on Mars.  Jazz in Exile, a portrait of
  "expatriate American musicians" sounds good too.)

* Book Reviews: Boy Meets Horn (Rex Stewart); Trumpet Story (Bill Coleman);
                Waiting for Dizzy by Gene Lees.

* West Coast What?: Part 4 of James Rozzi's 5 part look at the 50's west
  coast scene.  Featured here: Chet Baker, Art Pepper, and Contemporary
  Records boss Lester Koenig.

* Mixed bag of reviews of some European CDs (from Ignatzek to Brontzman)
  by Randal McIlroy.


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CODA covers the entire spectrum of "non-commercial" jazz and blues (i.e.,
about the same as Cadence) including some articles devoted to the Canadian
scene.  Do not expect glossy production (they generally have about one B/W
photo per article).  However, do expect quality writing, often on themes not
easily found elsewhere.  Incidentally, CODA is created by the same folks that
bring us Sackville recordings.

--
                                   * * *
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From: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Subject: rara avis/random thoughts: evan parker & john stevens
Reply-To: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Organization: interleaf, inc., waltham, mass, usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:25:05 GMT

_The Longest Night, vol 1_

John Stevens (drums) and Evan Parker (sop sax) (1976, Ogun Records)

i was just listening to this in my office this morning.  back several
years when i first got it, i found it featureless and impenetrable;
now i'm finding it featureless and enjoyable.  it was recorded on the
longest night of 1976, (must have been june 21 or thereabouts), and
consists of 5 improvisations ranging from 5 to 11 minutes in length.

Stevens doesn't do much for me here: he has an interesting style and
sound concept, kinda skittery and quiet but dense, but he sort of does
the same thing all the time.  on one cut he switches to cornet which
makes for nice contrast.  Parker's playing is sparse, moreso than
typical, and comes in small bursts of notes and sounds; it makes for a
lot of detail, although not alot in the way of larger shape.  so the
album as a whole not very memorable in the way that large shapes make
something memorable, but texturally i really enjoy it.  not a great
Parker record, i think, but nice to have on in the office...  (keeps
the suits and other rationalists away!)

oh, yeah: the short liner note on the back by Stevens is one of the
most arrogant things you'll ever read!  very silly.  oh, and i see
here in my Cadence that it's still available; so much for the "rara
avis" apellation.  they even have volume 2; maybe someday...

-- 

/steve
From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: The best rhythm changes improvisations?
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:41:26 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <BxML72.K31@fc.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
>Interesting concept!  One of my favorites is Wynton and Branford you-know-who
>trading choruses, sixteens, eights, and what have you on Ron Carter's tune
>"Hesitation" (also a cool composition!) on Wynton's first, sefl-titled album
>on Columbia.

I just remembered that I don't know who the sidemen are on this, as I have an
ancient cassette of it from back when I was a starving student (now I am a
student that can afford to eat). And it doesn't have any liner notes or
personnel, just copyright notices. So could someone send me the personnel on
this record? Thanks!

-s
--
      "If you understood everything I said, you'd be me!"  - Miles Davis

  Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu
   Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Jazz/Bach fusion?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:55:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

burger@sphinx.ece.wisc.edu (Dick Burger) writes:
>>The recording includes parts of Bach's wonderful suites for solo
>>cello, which should sound great transcribed to a bass. (I wonder if he bows
>>them or plays pizzacato?). Something to really look forward to.
> 
>    Are you sure that Ron Carter doesn't play cello on this?  I seem to
>remember some jazz record where R.C. played cello, but maybe my memory
>is playing tricks on me.

I don't think it is a cello, but it might be his "picolo bass." This is
an instrument that sound like it is between a bass and a cello; I don't
know if his is unique, or if others play such an instrument.

The album that I know where he plays cello is WHERE? (Prestige, probably
an OJC reissue now), with George Duvivier on bass, Eric Dolphy, Mal
Waldron, and Charlie Persip. Theis was recorded in 1961.

He playes piccolo bass on several more recent albums where he is leading
a group. I believe he does this so that he can have a bass player
playing the bass part while he essentially plays a horn line; if he
did it on bass, he might blend in with the other bassist.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Favorite Fusion Album of All......
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:32:16 EST

  Since we seem to be getting into more esoteric areas than Miles, Weather 
Report, and so on, then let me mention Hatfield and the North and National 
Health.  Essentially the same group, both are superb, although H and the N 
tend to be more "progressive" while NH are more "fusion."
     Just to be controversial (nothing wrong with that, eh?) I find stuff 
like Beck and the Dregs generally to be too showy and arena-rock oriented 
(although "What If" by the Dregs has some interesting things on it).  Same 
goes for RTF at their worst.
      As for Steely Dan...I won't argue with that.  Maybe they are what 
GRP bands might sound like if they had any interesting compositional 
ideas.  Incidentally, one of the exceptions to this GRP rule is Chick 
Corea's "Inside Out," which would have been a great album had he recorded 
it with different players on sax and guitar.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
From: eh@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM (Eric Henderson)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:56:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Ray Charles, Jazzman???
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote

wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) sez:

> Charles plays piano and organ in a very bluesy style. There was an album
> I remember seeing the record with Milt Jackson on Atlantic many years
> ago, but who knows when/if Atlantic will reissue it. In general, his
> earlier Atlantic records usually had one or two insturmentals that featured
> Charles and other members of the band (like Fathead Newman). I also remember
> an instrumental single by Charles of One Mint Julep.

That tune is from "Genius + Soul = Jazz", a totally instrumental release
that has Ray Charles on organ, with the Count Basie Orchestra. With that
combination, it really swings.
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From: berger@billcat.ide.com (Larry Berger)
Subject: Re: "I want some seafood, Mama!!"
Organization: Interactive Development Environments
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:46:13 GMT


|> In article <1992Nov6.164001.10979@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
|> >other parts of the song go on to expound the writer's fondness for fish,
|> >seafood, shrimp, oysters, etc.  Kinda wierd, very catchy, and a great
|> >laugh!  Another part of the song goes: "When I come home, late at night,
|> >I prepare my favorite dish ... FISH!"  What a hoot! 

One lyric I remember (from the Fats version) is:

	Shrimpers and rice,
	They're very nice,
	But I want my favorite dish,
	FISH! 

To paraphrase Fats' warning he'd speak at the end of tunes:

Don't give your right node,


Larry

______________
Larry Berger
berger@ide.com
______________
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From: cczanj@vax.nott.ac.uk (Andy Jack)
Subject: Re: don't look now
Reply-To: cczanj@vax.nott.ac.uk (Andy Jack)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:25:44 GMT

In article <BxCuu1.D3v@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:
>Bravo has been airing the BBC production BIRDLAND.  Last week featured
>Steve Coleman.  This week, they had the other Coleman.  Yeah, Ornette.
>And Cassandra Wilson.  

This is odd. The version we saw in Britain had Ornette & Steve Coleman on the
same program. Cassandra Wilson was on earlier, on the same show as Carla Bley.

>Unfortunately, either my cable company has a bad feed for Bravo, or
>Bravo doesn't have good broadcasting equipment, or the production was
>shoddy, because the sound wasn't too good.  (Probably a little of all 3)

Nowt wrong with the sound as I heard it (except coming through the rubbish
speakers on our TV set).

>But still, it is great to see Ornette.  If you see the program BIRDLAND,
>set your tape recorders.  This is the calibre of musicians they are
>having.

Amen to that. And BBC2 had a half-hour set from Michel Petrucciani the other
week. 

	Cheers,
	Andy
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From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Chick Corea's "Three Quartets"
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:18:06 GMT

Has anyone else picked up a copy of Chick Corea's THREE QUARTETS reissue on 
Stretch/GRP?  I was very glad to see this finally appear on CD, but was 
somewhat disappointed by the inferior sound quality on _some_ of it.  I believe 
it was "Quartet No. 3" that was the most problematic--there's some pretty 
nasty distortion of the sound of the piano on some occassions and a general 
fuzziness to the bass and drums.

One nice thing about the reissue is that Chick has included some never before 
issued material that they recorded at the time, due to their having some extra 
studio time.  There's a hot version of "Confirmation" by Brecker and Gadd!

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Bill Evans -- documentaries, writings, bios
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:25:56 GMT

ph14@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Pei Hsieh) writes:
>Does anyone know of any documentaries, biographies, or writings
>by or about Bill Evans?  I am especially interested in Bill Evans
>the intellectual, his philosophies, etc., but anecdotal info
>about his life in NYC, college years at Southern Louisiana State,
>childhood in NJ, or anything like that would also be of great
>interest. 

There is an hour long video with Evans brother that might go into some
of that; I haven't seen it, so I don't know. I've seen it advertised
in downbeat (probably from Rhapsody Films).

The notes for the Evans/Riverside box have a nice piece about Evans
by Martin Williams plus a detailed session by session discussion of
all the recordings. Keepnews also wrote a 8 page essay about Evans that is
in Keepnews' THE VIEW FROM WITHIN.

>Also, has anyone listened to the CD-set of his complete Riverside 
>recordings?  I've been loathe to buy any more single Riverside CDs
>b/c I think I might just take the plunge, not eat for a couple
>weeks and buy the set, but any and all input would be very much
>appreciated.

Well, I don't know about not eating, for a couple of weeks (maybe
a few days, but weeks....?), but I highly recommend the set if you
are at all a fan of Evans. I have all the original Riverside LPs
(but not the additional Milestone or OJC released material) from
those sessions, but I am still very happy to have them on CD--
at least 50% more music than I had, better sound (hey, those LPs
are almost 30 years old, and they were played a lot--not always on
the best eqipment :-( )...

The 12 CDs are all 60-70 minutes long, and have everything in chronological
order. There is over 4 hours of the fantastic LoFaro/Motian trio,
many hours of other trios, a couple of hours of solo, and a few sessions
with horns (one with Cannonball Adderley, another with Jim Hall and Freddie
Hubbard [filling in for Art Farmer, around whom the session concept
was built], and one with Hall and Zoot Sims).

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Pat Metheny
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <9495@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison) writes:
>
>Howdy.  I'm a BIG Pat Metheny fan - I've got 10 CDs an 1 cassette, and I've
>seen him 7 times between 1982 and the present.
>
>Like, are there other serious Pat fans out there?  Question: Is there a 
>Pat Metheny mailing list?  Is one in the works?
>
>-Martin

Kevin Stussman runs a Pat Metheny mailing list.  Send your subscription 
request to path-meth-request@mary.cs.fredonia.edu.

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
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From: jul@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Jul Jensen)
Subject: Re: Sos Fenger on Holliday
Bcc: jul
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:12:08

In article <1992Nov12.121410.23758@etek.chalmers.se> e2peny8@etek.chalmers.se (Per Nystrom) writes:

   Since I didn't get any responses after my request about Sos Fenger's 
   new CD I went and bought it. This was maybe the best thing I've ever
   done cause the CD "Sos Fenger on Holliday" is s u p e r !
   Sos Fenger is a Danish (female) pop-singer who's made a jazz-CD.
   With the musicians Niels Lan Dohky piano, Nils-Henning Orstedt-
   Petersen on bass and Christer Gruvstedt on drums they make
   some of Billie Holliday's greatest "hits" in a very warm and
   personal way. Espacially "My man has gone", "I cover the waterfront"
   and "Gloome Sunday" are absolutely extremeley great. Wow!

I agree. The Holiday interpretations are very personal to Soes, yet
they do not mistreat the songs. I my opinion she has found the right
balance between interpretation and copying.

I'm a great fan of Billie Holiday's, and I do not think Soes Fenger
has violated the rules of redoing other people's stuff. The album is
truly a tribute to the memory of Billie Holiday.


- jul
From: milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Favourite Fusion Album of All......
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:53:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Let's see...

I'll do a top five:

1.) UNSUNG HEROES BY THE DREGS
2.) Visions of the Emerald Beyond by Mahavishnu Orchestra
3.) Road Games by Allan Holdsworth
4.) Jeff Beck Live With The Jan Hammer Group
5.) Romantic Warrior by Return to Forever


I think it was the Dregs that really got me into fusion.  I've always 
considered Steely Dan and Pat Metheney to be fusion artists too, but
I've omitted them for fear of controversy.  Everyone has come up with some
really good stuff so far.  Anybody else into the Dregs?

-Martin
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From: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Subject: braxton & oxley, etc... (was Re: great piano trio alert)
Reply-To: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Organization: interleaf, inc., waltham, ma, usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:58:54 GMT

Gloating over his beer, jeff (a/k/a ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) writes:

> AB has also recorded All [the Things You] Are on the Japanese Trio
> label, with Dave Holland and Philip Wilson.  Also an amazing
> performance. 

i presume you're refering to Town Hall 1972, Trio 3008/9?  oh, sure,
rub it in. :-)  i've been looking for this in vain for years.
contains the only recorded performances of brax's Compositions 6(O)
and 6P, among other things.  *and* the late, great philip wilson.
*sigh*.
-- 

/steve
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