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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:59:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

prnott@cco.caltech.edu
> 	Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
> or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
> regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
> absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,

Actually, I've found that they're _more_ absorbant than other brands.
Jordan wears them longer without complaining that he's wet.  They also
wrap up smaller after use, which means less accumulation.  (Two pluses
here: environment and frequence of emptying the diaper pail :-)



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:10:34

Beth Weiss writes:
>There are four ways I use:
>   --slip hand on top of diaper.  If it's warm, it's newly wet.
>   --slip finger in diaper.  Feel diaper
>   --feel diaper--if it feels bulky and full, it's wet
>   --for pooper diapers, I can often smell them, or can see the
>     poopers at the edge of the leg, just waiting to ooze out and get
>     everything dirty.    (don't ask why we have 'pooper' diapers and
>     not 'poopy' diapers at our house :-)--

Well, when Sunniva started fussing shortly after she finished her
bottle, i tried sticking my finger in to check the diaper.  It felt
dry.  But rocking wasn't soothing her, and her toys weren't soothing
her, so i checked to see if maybe the diaper was too tight or
something.  When i opened it up the inside was bright yellow.  Don't
remember if it felt warm or not, but it weighed a ton.  Next time i'm
watching Sunny i guess i'll try the other two 8-).  (The diaper was
just wet so smell wouldn't have helped much...)

Thanks for the help!
-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: jlg@fir27.cray.com (Jan Gustafson)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Originator: jlg@fir27
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:06:37 CST


Keywords: 

I got chicken pox as an adult just last year from my kids.  I got it 3 weeks
after them.  At the time there was nothing that could be done for me.  I
suffered for 5 days with intense itching and terrible flu symptoms.  The
very next week, I saw on the news that a new drug was out that will help
people over chicken pox quicker.  In fact my brothers were prescribed this
drug when they had chicken pox and they got over them in a couple of
days.  Check with your doctor.

------
Jan Gustafson
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
From: root@metis.tti.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:04:38 GMT

In article <C0EFu6.44M@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

>My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
>and I'm agnostic.

These mixed marriages can be so difficult, can't they?  Have you agreed
about which way to raise the children?

(Sorry.  Couldn't resist.  The Devil made me do it.)

>Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
>sort, with participation by godparents.  
>
>Any suggestions?

We had a naming and blessing ceremony for Sarah when she was a week
old.  We asked our families and closest friends to come to our house,
and asked each person to compose a blessing (or, for the spiritually
impaired, a wish).  If they didn't want to compose something original,
they could read something meaningful.  At the ceremony, we all sat in a
circle on the patio, and each person read their blessing to Sarah as we
held her.  The nice thing about an approach like this is that you can
make it as religious or as secular as you like.  You could publicly
appoint Godparents or the atheist equivalent (what would they be
called?) at this time.

Be sure to have a party afterward.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Amy McNulty)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What to do with 12 yr olds in Boston
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:22:03 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: blueheron.pubs.stratus.com

If one of their favorite hangouts back home is shoping
malls, you might want to try Fanueil Hall Marketplace.
The multitude of stores, peddler carts, and food would
make a fun afternoon for "kids" of almost any age....

______________________________________________________________
amy_mcnulty@vos.stratus.com  or  amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Amy McNulty -- Stratus Computer, Marlboro, MA
Stratus pays me to write, but not to write this!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:36:16 GMT

In article <1ism0qINNjhg@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan11.185010.377@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>> Well, for eye drops, there is a better method. I thought it was
>> pretty well known & someone else would post.  Anyway, put the
>> baby (or older child for that matter) in a prone position --
>> have the drops in the dropper ready to go.  When the eye is
>> closed, put the drops in the inside corner of the eye (next to
>> the nose) and slightly tilt the head toward the outside corner
>> of the eye.  Generally the child will blink and the drops get 
>> in pretty painlessly.  You can use other tricks to relax/distract, 
>> but the basic technique works pretty well.
>
>This is even more difficult than I had imagined...."put the baby in a prone
>position"....okay, face-down and ready to go, what's the next step?  :-)
>
>What? You meant supine, not prone?
>
>(Stupid joke, yeah, I know, but more uplifting than reading about the Schoo 
>case, at any rate.)
>
>Paula Burch
>pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

Yea, supine.  Sigh.  Not my day I guess.

Elise.
From: Scott.Johnson@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ( Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: twins faq?
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:11:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO

Hi!

	Well, I have what I think is the latest posting of all the folks
out there who hold FAQs on different subjects, and didn't see one on
twins or multiples.  We recently found out that my wife is pregnant (for
the first time), and, yes, by now you have guessed it, last week found
out that there are twins!  (yay!  nervous biting of nails :-)

	Anyway, if anyone has any faq's or summaries of issues or
things that are good to be aware of that may be slightly different than
the normal discussions (i.e. strollers, setting up cribs/bassinets,
making the pregnancy more comfortable/full term and things that may be
different than a single birth (not that she's experienced that either),
books,etc.), I would really appreciate e-mail (or postings, as a secondary).
Any advice, anectodotes, cute stories, etc. from twin parents would be
appreciated to (of course we reserve the right to ignore any and all
advice :-)  It amazes me how many people without twins tell us that a)
ugh it is going to be so much harder, and b) wow, you are lucky that it
will be so much easier!  Grin!  Only know 1 couple out here with twins,
so thought I would go to the net for more info!  Thanks in advance!

	By the way, don't bother to try to "reply" to this message.  It
most likely won't work.  Please use the address in the .sig at the end.

-Scott
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From: jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:50:56 GMT

In article <29428@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>|> 
>|> Since this story got nationwide (and probably worldwide) coverage,
>|> does anyone have any thoughts about what defense a couple could
>|> come up with for leaving their 9 and 4 year-old at home without
>|> supervision while they vacationed out of the country?
>|> 
>|> It is getting so much coverage from the media (especially right here
>|> in the area) that every stone they upturn makes the front page.
>
>I was in the Chicago area when the case was first discovered, and
>there certainly was a lot of media coverage, perhaps even too much.
>Parading the Schoos through O'Hare in handcuffs certainly wasn't
>called for.

Nothing against Beth, but I think that they deserved to be handcuffed.
They went on vacation for a week and left their children under no one's
care.  Nothing was to stop them from attempting to run away from the
police's hold.  Having them in handcuffs made it easier for them to
not run away. I didn't really consider that uncalled for.  They committed
a criminally negligent act, and therefore should be treated as such.

>However, I can't think of any defense for leaving a 9 year old and
>a 4 year old alone for more than an hour (and that would be pushing
>it), let alone for over a week while they vacationed out of the
>country.

There is no defense for that, except stupidity.

>We (my brothers and I) were latchkey kids, and I suspect my mother
>left us alone too much and too long, but never overnight.  

If she did leave you alone during the day, I suppose it was for
working rather than a weeklong vacation. A different story. :-)

>One thing I did want to mention is that there are alternatives
>other than relatives for staying with children when the parents
>need to be gone.  It is possible to hire a teacher, grad student,
>or other person to _stay_ with the child.  My mother hired a
>theology graduate student to stay with us when she was in the
>hospital for surgery.  Lots of people seem to think that if the
>grandparents can't do it, then noone can, but there really are
>other possibilities.

True, but let's keep in mind that these people *probably* didn't
look into having some arrangements made. And these parents didn't
*need* to be gone.  Acapulco? Please. A vacation.  What gets into
these parents' heads? Let's face it, if they
would have spent half the energy they used to leave all the written
instructions for their kids to take care of themselves, to find
someone to take care of the kids for them, they would have been a
lot smarter.

Of course, as always, IMHO. 
---
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Apology! 
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:28:34 GMT

 After reading some of the more rational comments concerning
my personal beliefs concerning PArents magazine.. I must apologize
as I can now see how the words I used could be misinterpreted.
I am definately NOT now or ever been anti-semetic.. I am anti-
circumcision.

In fact the anti-circumcision consciousness owes much of its strength
to several Jewish researchers and supporters.

For example: Edward Wallerstein author of Circumcision The 
American Health Fallacy is a prime example.

Dr. Ben spock
Dr. Dean Edell
 and several other physcians who have strongly criticised circumcision
are Jewish.

I would have to be schzophrenic to be truly anti-semetic and anti-circ!

I still am not impressed by those that cry anti-semite without addressing
the question asked. Why is PARENTS so dishonest and biased on the
circumcision issue. (This statement is not an opinion,but since it
can be objectively proven,it must not simply be my subjective belief)

Lets stick to the issues and stOP SCREAMING ANTI-....ETHNIC       
ACCUSATIONS.

Sine I'm Irish.. I'm wonmdering why so many Irishman are alcholics.
Oh.. boy.. here we go again.


--
            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
 The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
 palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Order info for The Mouse and the Motorcycle
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:14:16 GMT

Well, since quite a few people want to infor, I will post it.

Music for Little People
Box 1460
Redway, CA  95560

1-800-346-4445

Their Summer 1992 catalog ordering info:

The Mouse and the Motorcycle
VIDEO #898  $12.98 on sale for $10.90

Runaway Ralph
VIDEO #8161  $12.98       

This shipping/handling charge is $3.75 for $30 or less.  Plus
sales tax for CA residents.

Prices have probably changed by now.

As I said in my previous post, there are other places to obtain
the tapes.  This was just the cheapest, and came recommended by
another netter.  Enjoy.

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: johannes.beekhuizen@contrast.wlink.nl (Johannes Beekhuizen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Water for babies
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:26:52

Hello Jan,

On Wednesday January 06 1993, Jan A. Schwarz wrote to All:

 JAS> I tried to post this earlier but I don't think it made it.  Excuse me
 JAS> if it did and I didn't see it.

Well, I didn't see it :)

 JAS> It seems as if water isn't given to babies like it used to be when I
 JAS> had mine (22 years ago!).

 JAS> What has changed over the years that babies don't require water?
 JAS> I used to give water to mine when it really wasn't time for them
 JAS> to eat.  It seemed to pacify they until feeding time.

It probably is different when the baby gets bottle-fed. We were told to have a
bottle with glucose-solution ready, and give it to the baby if we thought it
was thirsty, but the milk hadn't really started yet.

Regards,

           Hans.

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Date: Tuesday, 5 January 1993 19:29:56 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <C0CuKq.KGK@agora.rain.com>, rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)  wrote:
# I find it pretty easy: any permanent physical modifications unrelated
# to immediate health problems should be left to the child.

  Besides clogging up the Net with repetitions, what are you
  DOING about it?  Do you have a programme, and if so what is
  it?  If not, should we conclude that you're all talk and no
  action?  That you don't really care about the issue so much
  as yanking folks' chains?

  So far, none of the anti-circers has answered this one.
  Will you be the first?

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From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Leaving kids alone (was Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:25:47 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Reading all this about walking to school brought back a bit of memory that
I walked to school by myself in kindergarten and first grade. The school
was about 1/2 mile away, I don't think there were any big streets but
I do remember I used to cut through the Pepperdine campus (and getting
in trouble because I stayed there to play at the playground in the married
students housing complex instead of going straight home). In retrospect
that seems far too much for a 5 or 6 year old. And when we moved (when I was
in second grade), I walked a mile to school. My guess would be that it might
be OK for a kid in a small town, but in L.A. it just seems far too risky to
let a small kid walk that far alone. At least in L.A. these days.

Susan




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:15:46 GMT

In article <93009.101233LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>Regarding changing clothes before bed.  Lisa asked if it is okay to leave
>the baby in the daytime clothing at night.  My baby was born the same day
>as Lisa's (8-14-92).  I change the clothing if she has spit up all over it
>or if it is damp from diapers, but otherwise if it looks okay and warm
>enough, I leave her in what she was wearing that day.  I wonder if there
>is much of a difference between sleepers and other one-piece things, or even
>when she is wearing fleece pants and shirt I leave her in those.  Why do
>twice the laundry?  Do others always change into night time clothing?
>Ellen

My guys are only 10 days younger than yours, but I put them in PJ's every
night.  I think the ritual of donner (we are already eating lots of
yellow and orange solid foods), then a bath, then pajamas, then a 
story or 10 (gotta to cut down or I am in BIG trouble later on), and
then bedtime seems to work.  They know that the day is over, and they
seem to know what to expect.  YMMV.  BUT, this is New England, and
we turn down the heat at night, so regular clothes wouldn't keep them
near as warm as their fuzzy sleeper do.

Marjorie
mum to Gemma and Graham, 4.5 months and getting HUGE!


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From: jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:18:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.165451.6371@webo.dg.com> eal@dg.UUCP (Erik Lee) writes:
>
>smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>
>> One of the concerns about the vaccine is that the extent of the protection
>> isn't known.  Chickenpox in children is almost completely benign, but it's
>> between very unpleasant and quite serious in adults.  Trading a mild
>> illness for a serious one 30 years later is no bargain!
>
>My wife says that it is a common thing for parents to intentionally expose
>their children to chickenpox before they hit puberty, after which it can cause
>sterility, and, it sounds like, is just generally more serious. I'd never heard
>of anyone doing this, though i guess it sounds like it makes sense. Does
>anybody
>out there do this?
>
>Erik

I think your wife is refering to mumps, which if contracted after puberty can
cause sterility.  Chickenpox, while is very uncomfortable, does not cause
sterility in post-adolecents.

Jeanetha - Mom to Gregg(19) and Laura Jean(3)
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From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:01:15 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


	In the hospital, they put all of the babies on their sides with
the blankets behind them.  That didn't work so well for me in the big
crib at home.  So, I asked the doctor what to do.  He said basically, 
whatever position they will sleep in.  Corey wouldn't and still won't
(7 months) sleep on his back.  You lay him down on his back and he
eventually wakes up.  As an infant, he would frantically clutch in the
air when on his back unless swaddled and would open his eyes immediately
even when swaddled.
	My doctor said that he wasn't convinced of the suggested link
between sids and sleeping on their stomachs.  He also said not to worry
if the baby wants to sleep on its back.  However you can get them to 
sleep is fine (within reason of course).

Julia
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:25:05 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <1ic4vmINNd0r@early-bird.think.com> ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) writes:
>Logan Airport (Boston) has a play area for kids. There are a couple of
>large climb-on toys, one of which resembles the space shuttle. A
>little bit, anyway, and more if NASA would go for stronger color
>schemes. There are benches for the adults, and a good view of the
>field. 

Another neat thing in Boston are the two kinetic sculptures, that raise
balls and then let them run down complicated tracks where they hit things
and make sounds.  These are quite near the play area.  (I'm talking about
the United-Delta terminal; and I last saw it 2 years ago so I don't know
if it is still the same.  The American terminal is totally boring, and
I didn't see any of the others.)
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:41:22 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Gerry Palo writes:

It is worse in some other countries, Sweden for example.  Some American friends
of mine had a child there and were given all sorts of advice as well as
prescriptions for formula and vitamins from the hospital.  They also 
assigned a social worker to the child (though my friends were not poor or
on welfare - actually, everybody there is on welfare).  Well, she nursed
the child and did not need the formula. But her mistake was notfilling the
prescription for the vitamins.  The social worker sent warning notices and
then came to the home, snooped around and interrogated her. She threatened
to have the chlid taken from them if they "continued to neglect it".  Rather than 
try to explain to her why they preferred not to give vitamin suppliments to
their infant child, they simply agreed and from then on filled the prescriptions
and threw the stuff away.  So caring are the Swedes.

Maybe someone else on the net will know of other such stories.

*************************

Well, I lived in Scandinavia (Sweden and Denmark) for most
of the '70's and, while I'm not saying this couldn't
have happened, it sounds like one of those isolated
cases that can happen anywhere.

On the other hand, those "social workers" assigned to the
child are actually "home helpers" who come to your house
after you've had a child to help answer any "new parent"
questions you may have, show you how to do stuff you're
unsure of, etc. etc. I could really have used someone
like this after I had Isabel! and most of the parents I
knew over there really appreciated having this resource.

Compare our infant mortality rates to theirs. I think 
there's something to be said for stuff like free milk
allowances for pregnant women, guaranteed access to prenatal
care, etc. etc.

and the fact that they have great parental leave policies
(up to one year in Sweden, and it can be split between
parents), better access to daycare, sick-child days for
working parents, etc. etc. doesn't look too bad to me, 
either.

So here's one vote for some decent government mandated
child-related policies. And yes, you can raise my taxes
to help support them.

-Dena

(PS - *please* all you libertarians out there -
don't send me mail - you're not going to change
my mind on this one, and I doubt I'll change yours.)
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