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From: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re:Music
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:34:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
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In a previous article, C1899007@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (tobin lathrop) says:

>   i like a lot of stuff by The Art of Noise... especially Beat Box and
>Close To The Edit, two really great songs to juggle to... front 242 is
>nice but sometimes too fast... anything bouncy by They Might Be Giants...
>ditto for depeche mode and new order... if you can find anything by stewart
>copeland (yes the drummer for the police) his solo work is real good...
>i also like to juggle to SKA music... generally anything with a 'bouncy'
>beat to it is good to juggle to...
> 
Anything with a clear steady beat is good enough for me, but I tend to like
industrial music especially for juggling, if you like Front 242, you might 
want to try other types of industrial.  It's not all the happiest music, but
one of it's main characteristics is that it's got a great beat.  KMFDM is 
pretty good in that vein...and they can't be taken to seriously, so I enjoy
listening to them for juggling only in life...:)
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--Bradford Linder, the self proclaimed, sudden expert on devilbunnies..--
 (but obviously not on spelling)
From: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: juggling history?
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:38:07 GMT
Reply-To: bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Does anyone know of any good books on or including sections on the early 
history of juggling?  The art can be traced back for thousands of years,
yet there I've been able to find so little information about pre-twentieth
century juggling.  I'm also interested in the newer stuff, so if anyone has
any recommended readin along those lines too, I'll look into it.  
Thanky...

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--Bradford Linder, the self proclaimed, sudden expert on devilbunnies..--
 (but obviously not on spelling)
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From: Neil Matthews <matthews@src.bae.co.uk>
Subject: Corrected version of the Georgian shuffle
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:50:59 GMT


Many thanks to Daniel Mitchell == ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk, for pointing
out the problem with the pattern I posted.

> The Georgian Shuffle as I was shown it is a 3 ball multiplex pattern.
> 
> o	Start off with 2 balls in right hand, 1 ball in left.
> o	Throw the 2 balls in right up in a fairly narrow multiplex split,
> 	up verically, on the left hand side of the body.
> o	Bring the left arm under the right and throw the single 
> 	ball up vertically on the right hand side of the body.
*corrected step*
 o	Right hand claws the *leftmost* ball in the multiplex split.
 	Left hand catches the *rightmost* ball of the multiplex split.
 	N.b. arms are still crossed.
> o	Right hand sweeps up in an arc around the third ball so as to 
> 	catch it underneath on the right side of the body, (the hold
> 	is like the start of a multiplex split). Arms are now uncrossed.
...
> To make the pattern continuous then: 
> 
> o	Throw 1 ball in left vertically up on left side of body and 
> 	catch in the left hand, i.e. a fake throw. Then continue as 
> 	for the shuffle move above.
 
Duh, even when I'm writing I can't tell my left from my right
	-- 	let alone juggling.
 
 		Neil.
 
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>
From: rh@craycos.com (Robert Herndon)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Mills' Mess
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:13:50 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

Just before I left on Christmas vacation, someone posted a set of
directions for learning Mills' Mess that looked remarkably doable
to me.  If anyone saved that, would you please send me a copy?

Robert Herndon
rh@craycos.com
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From: boll@CS.ColoState.EDU (dave boll)
Subject: Juggling Festival Announcement
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 22:03:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


Posting this for a friend, although I'll be there!

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***       The Front Range Jugglers of the Northern Colorado area       ***
***                      are proud to announce:                        ***
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***        THE FIRST ANNUAL NORTHERN COLORADO JUGGLING FESTIVAL        ***
***       Main Ballroom, Lory Student Center, CSU, Fort Collins        ***
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***        Friday Saturday and Sunday March 19,20 and 21, 1993         ***
***  |  Open Juggle   |   Public Show   |   Workshops   |   Vendors  | ***
***          Registration:  $10       Preregistration:  $8             ***
***  Come on down for the most fun you can have with your clothes on!  ***
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*** Sorry, no camping in the ballroom.  Limited crash space available. ***
***    The Inn: (303) 226 2600          Holiday Inn: (303) 482-2626    ***
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***       FREE RETURN GAS FOR THE GROUP TRAVELLING THE FARTHEST        ***
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***                    magic@lamar.colostate.edu                       ***
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***    To preregister mail Travis your names and a check payable to    ***
***                        FRONT RANGE JUGGLERS.                       ***
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     Dave Boll  boll@handel.cs.colostate.edu
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From: femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS)
Subject: Re: Bob Whitcomb on TV
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:21 EST  

In article <01GTEQ5YC0NK000562@apollo.davidson.edu>, BIGIDUZ@apollo.davidson.edu writes...
>I didn't get to see it, but was informed that Bob Whitcomb, IJA 1992 Bronze
>Medal winner, was on the Statler Brothers show on Saturday night, Jan. 9. Did
>anyone out there see him? I';d like to hear what he did, hoping it was the
>hilarious "cruise ship" act that he did in Montreal.
> 
> 
>Bill Giduz

I did't see him either and I don't know what show he did.  Why am I posting 
you ask...

I understand that another juggler (I don't know his name) is going to be on 
the Statler Brothers Show this weekend (Jan 16).

Sorry for having so little detail...

**************************************************************************

Bruce Manners                                          Juglito, ergo sum

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From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: W. C. Fields
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:55:47 GMT

In article <1ig2iiINN8mc@shelley.u.washington.edu> benjamin@corona.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg) writes:
>I guess my first attempt didn't make it...
>
>I think the best clip of W.C. Fields juggling appears in _The Great McGonigle_.
>It can also be seen in the hour-long _Juggling_, hosted by Shields and Yarnell.
>This is a great tape, which also includes footage of Rastelli, as well as a 
>Tongan woman showering 7 tui-tui nuts.  I think Dube' used to sell (I'll have
>to check their new catalog).
>
>W.C. Fields wasn't necessarily a very technical juggler, but he had great      
>characters.  My favorite part of the above clip is where he's dropped cigar
>boxes a ll over the floor, and as he kicks one foot into the air, it's the
>other foot (on the ground) which sends a box in the opposite direction!
>-Ben 

If I remember correctly _The Great McGonigle_ was a short that was an outake
of another film called _An Old Fashoned Way_.  W.C. Fields also has another
short called _The Golf Doctor_ or something where he does an act with golf
clibs and balls that is like Dan Holtzmans.  This I saw on a retrespective
on W.C. Fields that was hosted by Walter Mathaew (sp?) of all people.

-GReg Cohen
gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu
From: kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Four ball shower.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:36:30 -0500
Organization: UUNET Communications
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naw@planet.bt.co.uk writes:
 > Hands up all those who can do a 4 ball shower. Now hands up all those
 > who can do a 4 ball half shower. Which do you think is easier?
 > 
 > I've just got to grips with the 4 ball shower, its taken me about 3
 > weeks. The half shower took me about 6 months. I present this as
 > evidence that the higher number site-swap=harder pattern theory is
 > nonsense.

I don't buy your reasoning.  Your 4 ball shower no doubt built on
skills acquired while learning the 4 ball half-shower.  UNless
you learned the full shower first, which it doesn't sound like
you did from the text above.
From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Four ball shower.
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:48:45 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.


Hands up all those who can do a 4 ball shower. Now hands up all those
who can do a 4 ball half shower. Which do you think is easier?

I've just got to grips with the 4 ball shower, its taken me about 3
weeks. The half shower took me about 6 months. I present this as
evidence that the higher number site-swap=harder pattern theory is
nonsense.
	Ab.
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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: Juggling and RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury)
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:05:18 GMT
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I posted my reply concerning Juggling and RSI twice.  Suffice it to say that I
f*&^#d up. I apologize for the waste of bandwidth...

Mark Olson
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From: zetie@vax.oxford.ac.uk (The Edible Dormouse)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: New-ish juggling shop in Glasgow
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:32:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University, Dept of Antiquated Physics

In article <C0p7ux.LrJ@axion.bt.co.uk>, ebroom@coal.axion.bt.co.uk (Ed Broom) writes:
> Shortly before Christmas, I was working in Glasgow and decided to pay a visit
> one lunchtime to a shop I'd seen advertised in "The Catch" magazine. I was
> very impressed with both the stock and the service, hence this message. Full
> details are as follows:
> 
>    The Big Top
If you should stop by there and Graham is in the shop tell him Ken says Hi
please! Graham (who opened the shop) used to be with FireNoise, used to be a
computer consultant runnning a small software company down here, very
respectable but with a definite interest in weird things. It's good to know
that someone can dump a respectable and profitable job plus mortgage to be of
service to other jugglers. Making all those other computer bods out there
think?

Someone from Nova Scotia posted asking about circus schools. In the UK there is
Fool Time which runs small workshops, termly and yearly courses in circus
skills including mime, acrobatics, trapeze and juggling. Their juggling and
manipulation teacher is Haggis MaCleod (sp?). hey have just moved to new much
larger premises and hope to incorporate with a local university to supply a
degree course soon.

Circus Space is in London and offers courses and workshops. Oftne weekend and
day courses with outside teachers, occasional 6 week courses. Their an-Mar
timetable was posted here recently.

There are other courses and workshops as well as all the festivals here, but
nothing so formal as the French or Russian circus schoools (yet).

cheers

ken
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From: andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger)
Subject: U of M jugglefest in February?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 17:13:08 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester
Keywords: jugglefest

Anybody have info on the jugglefest coming up in February at the U of
Minnesota?

P.S. My INLAWS got me Dubue' torches for Christmas.
From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: four ball shower
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:36:18 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.

In article <1ilotcINNdjj@gap.caltech.edu> allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson) writes:

   naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson) writes:

   >doing and you have two arcs to keep track of. (One of the biggest
   >difficulties with the half shower as getting both arcs into the field
   >of view.)

   Ah, perhaps this is the difference. I juggle a good bit lower than
   the average, and can easily see both balls. For 53 the 5's are 
   naturally at eye height (though I can get them lower).

If your doing a 53 in the proper rhythm and the 5s are at eye height,
then the 3 are going to be going about 2 inches high, which for me
would still be out of my field of view if I was looking at the 5s. A
comfortable 53 for me would have the 5s about 2 feet above my head,
with the 3s comming to just about level with my nose. (The lowest I
can see while still looking at the 5s).

   >Now I put it to you as a five ball juggler, which 5 ball trick would
   >you rather attempt, the half shower 73, or the full shower 91. Bear in
   >mind the height difference in the 73 is going to be even greater than
   >in the 53, and you have that awkward floaty 3 to take care of.

   Okay, now it gets ridiculous. But this is not how I would recommend to
   anyone how to half-shower 5: they should try [64], a synchronous pattern,
   and one I can do much much much longer than 91. (Sometimes it feels
   easier than 5, in fact.) Have you compared these two?
	Allen K.

Yeh, but the whole point to me of doing a half shower is that is is an
asyncronous pattern. I'll agree that [64] would be easier than 91.
Also I'd agree that [44] is easier than 53. But then the main thing
that made 53 hard for me was getting the hands to throw to different
height consistently.
	Ab.


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From: Dave Corney <tarim@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Passing Patterns: Both Hand Passing: 7 clubs PPS
Reply-To: tarim@cix.compulink.co.uk
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 04:37 GMT


Reply-To: tarim@cix.compulink.co.uk

  Martin Frost <me@Sunburn.stanford.edu> replies 2 Brendan Brolly
<PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk> as follows:

> Despite what Ed Carstens said about the difficulty of the patterns he
> proposed as solutions to the question of a 2P7C PPS pattern (two People,
> seven Clubs, pass-pass-self), I think there is a fairly easy solution.
> 
> If you read the Spring 1991 Juggler's World, you will find the seven-club
> 3-count, which is almost exactly the same.  All we do is turn one self
> of each person into a pass (hence PSS (3-count) becomes PPS).
> 
> [complic8ed description deleted]

  Have u actually juggled this pattern?  Cos as far as Tarim can
make out, although it is a PPS pattern, it has 8 clubs in it
rather than 7.  The 1st person throws 3 clubs from their right
hand b4 they actually catch 1 there.

  Site-swap fans may note, that since the PSS 7 club pattern in
Spring 91 Juggler's World has all 4 hands throwing
asynchronously, we can order the hands: 1st person right, 2nd
person left, 1st person left, 2nd person right & describe it in a
4 handed site-swap not8ion:

9669 6696 6966        <-- spaces inserted 2 show hand grouping

  This is simply 966, so (9+6+6)/3 = 7 as it should.

  Martin says, replace a self with a pass, so we get:

9969 9699 6996

  Which is simply 996, and sure enough (9+9+6)/3 = 8

  Tarim must admit he did it all in diagrams 1st b4 he decided
there must b 8 clubs, *then* noticed the same result in site-swap
not8ion.

  And the consequence is, no1 has yet discovered a simple
(whatever *that* may mean!) PPS 7 club passing pattern.  Unless
u know better...

    Tarim
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From: greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock)
Subject: Atlanta Groundhog's Day Juggling Festival question....
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:12:55 GMT


Can anyone tell me when and where this festival will be held?

Thanks!

-greg
 (greg@athena.cs.uga.edu)
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From: Chris Wright <STA5CW@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Tendonitis of the elbow.
X-Pmrqc: 1
Priority: normal
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:03:08 GMT
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).
Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:02:22 +0000

    To the person with tendonitis of the elbow:
    I got this in my left elbow about a year ago. It was in the
tendon on the OUTSIDE of the elbow, which connects the tricep to the
elbow. If it gets bad, I think the best thing to do is to rest it. As
a warm up exercise, I would suggest the following.
    Bend your arm, so that the elbow points downwards, and the upper
arm is parallel with your torso. Then raise your elbow, keeping the
arm bent, until the elbow points almost directly upwards. Do this
slowly. You should feel the tricep being stretched. Obviously, don't
over-stretch. Repeat a few times.
    Straighten both arms out in front of you, then link the fingers
of both hands together, so that the backs of your hands face toward
you. Then, keeping your shoulders straight, and your arms horizontal
and straight at the elbow, bend your arms from the shoulder, first to
the left (to stretch the right tricep and tendon) and then to the
right (to stretch the left tricep and tendon).
    As I said, rest is the best thing really. If you're in pain, then
let your arm hang by your side when you don't need it (a doctor told
me this). Don't carry your arm bent, as if it were in a sling.

             Chris Wright, Leeds, UK.
From: kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: A Wonderful Wife...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:08:13 -0500
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: wendy-fate.uu.net

mitch@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Mitch Veenstra) writes:
 > just a note to anybody who's trying 3 ball tricks and 4 ball
 > at all.  once you try clubs for a few days, you'll find that
 > your ball tricks are even firmer than before.  (now if I could
 > only throw and catch 3 clubs without walking foward, club
 > juggling isn't ment to be a track sport)

Don't be so sure!  There's something called "joggling" that I saw
once on ESPN late at night and never again.  I saw a guy doing a
100m dash while juggling five balls.  I don't think I could even
juggle three balls back then so my eyes were falling out of my
head in disbelief.
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From: BIGIDUZ@apollo.davidson.edu
Subject: Calling all lefties!
X-Envelope-To: juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:54 EST
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu"

Here's an opportunity for left-handed jugglers to gab a little. I had a query
from a journalist who wants to "interview left-handed jugglers about what it's
like to juggle 'backwards.'" She has written for Juggler's World before, and is
now writing for another publication (non-juggling, I suppose). If there are any
lefties out there who can help this woman out, please give her a call and tell
her you're willing to talk. Thanks for your help! Contact:

Kathy Veth
4 Lantern Lane
Chelmsford MA 01824-1316
508-256-9391


Bill Giduz
Juggler's World editor
From: allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 4-ball shower vs. half-shower
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:33:59 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: torment.ugcs.caltech.edu

Chris Wright <STA5CW@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> responds to the following:

>> Hands up all those who can do a 4 ball shower. Now hands up all those
>> who can do a 4 ball half shower. Which do you think is easier?
>>     Ab.

>    Well, I must say that I find the 4-ball half shower MUCH easier
>than the full shower. Basically I can do the former in my sleep
>(aren't I clever), whereas the best I can do with a 4bfs is about 50
>or 60 catches with the left hand.

As was true for me.

>the first 4
>ball pattern I learnt was the pattern which, if done with clubs, is
>generally called 'triple-single' and is a 53 in site-swap notation.
>So I suppose you could say that the first 4 ball pattern I learnt was
>a half shower. (As you well know, there is a bit of dispute over the
>exact definition of the half shower. For me, for a pattern to be a
>half shower, it is a necessary condition that the right hand throws
>the balls to the OUTSIDE of the incoming ball. By this definition,
>the first pattern I learnt with 4 wasn't a half-shower.)

Same here, I started with the "inside half-shower". And it's what I
always recommend to people who (like I used to) have trouble with the
4-fountain because the off-hand throws won't go far enough outside,
so eventually the arms cross (a difficult situation).		Allen K.


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From: jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Subject: EVERYONE, PLEASE READ THIS!
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:00:12 GMT
Summary: roster collection
Keywords: addresses

The IJA is thinking seriously about adding email addresses to next year's
roster.  To ehlp convince them, I'd like to have a good list to pass along.
Please email me with the following:

Your name as it appears in the roster
Your email address
Is your address temporary?  Yes or no.

That's it.  Shorter is better, as I will have a lot of these things to go
through.  Terry Jones, will you please send me the list of mailserver
addresses?  Thanks everyone for helping out.


Jim the Juggler, a.k.a.:  jimd@m2xenix.psg.com
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