HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drd@siia.mv.com (David Dick)
Subject: Re: Interface disimprovement: A simple no would suffice
Organization: Software Innovations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:26:05 GMT

In <lsr-270193180355@lsr.taligent.com> lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein) writes:

>In article <antjcb.728134553@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>, antjcb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu
>(J.C.Burns) wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't realize there was this epidemic of baffled people when a
>> dialog with "Yes" and "No" came up. But hey, it's not that I object

>The point is that Yes and No can be answers to a lot of different
>questions.  If you're in a hurry, it's easy to answer the wrong question
>and lose work.

>> to the terms "Save" and "Don't Save"--I object to the haphazard way
>> it gets implemented by developers--because, I contend, Apple didn't

>I think Apple published a Human Interface Note about this.  I know there
>was a lot of detail there, but perhaps it didn't emphasize the exact
>spelling enough.

>> For a company that makes this big a deal about interface consistency,

>There's 2 issues.  First, Apple did change their recommendataion, which is
>why some programs use Yes/No and others use Save/Don't Save.  That's a
>trade off they made between improving the interface and sticking with the
>old standard.

>But to a user it doesn't much matter what kind of quote is used for an
>apostrophe.  You're complaint is because QuicKeys isn't smart enough to
>recognize that they are the same.

The real complaint is that Apple doesn't know that interfaces now
should (continue to) be specified so that extensions like QuicKeys 
can be used.  Actually, Apple does seem to know it, which is why we 
finally have Apple Events, but that's a heavy burden when more 
standardization of button names could have accomplished a similar effect.

QuicKeys is one example of a *software* using the interface (albeit in
behalf of a user).

One of the problems that user-intensive systems like Macintosh have
always had is that applications expect to interact only with users--you
can't make any sort of software substitute for the user in order to
embody some desire or knowledge about use of the application. 

Users are at the mercy of the imagination of the application developers
for inclusion of shortcuts, macros, or any other kind of knowledge 
capture.

One of the few advantages a system like UNIX has over the user-intensive
interfaces is that user commands can be constructed that are used in
*exactly* the same way as system-provided commands.  In addition, these
user commands can be made up of arbitrary combinations of user and 
system commands.  This has not been true on Macintosh and is now
only beginning to become true with the advent of Apple Events.  However,
Apple Events are a lot of baggage to accomplish the effect and users
are still at the mercy of applications really supporting them.

David Dick 
Software Innovations, Inc.
[the Software Moving Company; converting software to open systems for a decade]
From: RTL@siva.bris.ac.uk (RICHARD LIM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Spanish 7.0.1 coexisting with English 7.1
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:33:27 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation

Sorry, I missed the name of the person who started this thread.  But as
a suggestion, since you have a IIvx which requires 7.1, can you not just
attempt to install the appropriate keyboard layouts from your Spanish
7.0.1 system file into the 7.1 system file?  Use the Finder, just double-
click on the Spanish system file and drag any Spanish resources you find
there, such as keyboards and maybe even a script, into the 7.1 System 
Folder.  I would guess that there isn't a Spanish script since it uses a
Roman alphabet.

To the original poster: if you want to discuss your problem in greater#
depth, mail me direct
Organization: Valencia Uiversity (Universitat de Valencia) SPAIN
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:34:55 EST
From: Werenfried Spit <SPIT@EVALUN11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Duplicate File does not work. Help wanted.


Hello,
Since a few days I am no longer able to duplicate files. The Duplicate
File item in the finders file menu is permanently disabled.
I'm running system 7.0.1 (spanish version) + tuneup on an LC.
As I first suspected speedyfinder to cause the problem (I have it about
as long as the problem) I removed that, but it is not that, nor do any
of the other cdevs/inits I use seem to have anything to do with it.

Any suggestions on where to look or what to try are welcome.

Thanks.
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Werenfried Spit                         tel: +34-6-386 4550
  Departament de Fisica Teorica         spit@vm.ci.uv.es
  Universitat de Valencia               spit@evalun11.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Chris_M._Hanson@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:37:59 EST
Subject: Re: B.A.D. - Work with System 7.1?

Why jeff, sys 7 already finds and maps out bad blocks on disks.
********************************************************************
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Cute quote:  Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry
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From: cliff@netcom.com (Cliff Rodriquiez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: HELP! need info on printing postscript via serial
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:36:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I have a serial port print share box that is letting serveral of my
pc's and sun's print to my postscript printer.  i would like to get
my macIIFX on there too.  i have the cable the converts the 9pin to 
25pin but cannot get my mac to communicate.  i cannot run appletalk
or localtalk due to other network considerations.  how can i get my
mac to output a postscipt stream to a serial port?

I have seen products that let you do the same thing but for other
printer types. ie. hp, epson.....  i need something like that for
postscript?  if you know anything, or know someone that might know,
please send me the info.  thanks a  lot.....cliff@netcom.com
-- 

-- 
Cliff Rodriguez 
C&R Software Solutions
voice 408-252-1429
fax 408-252-5909
cliff@netcom.com or apple!netcom!cliff
P.O Box 95015-0658 Cupertino Ca. 95015 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 7.0.1 and Error Type 1 on fx
From: U34C7@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (John S.)
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:35:19 EST
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
Organization: West Va. Univ.

Hello,
   After upgrading our fx to 7.0.1 we started experiencing problems,
everytime an application goes to the "Open a file" dialog box the program
bombs and we get an error message "Application quit because of a Type 1
error" (or words to that general effect.) We tried using Res-Edit to change
the heap size in the finder but had no success with that, we have stripped
out all of the inits, have installed System 7 tune-up all with no effect.
The weird thing was when I came in this morning and booted the mac
everything worked fine even though nothing had changed from the night
before. I put the inits back in and the problem came back. That would lead
me to think its obviously a problem with the Inits but when I took them
back out again and rebooted I still got the error message.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

INIT's: Disinfectant, Dos Mounter, Novell Notify

We are connected via Ethernet to a Novell Network and have Mac TCP (1.1)
and Admin TCP (1.1)

We have a couple of programs that won't work at all now: Mac Gopher, Turbo
Gopher, Telnet 2.5

John S.  U34C7@wvnvm.wvnet.edu     U34C7@wvnvm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ctrbdo@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (bryan d oakley)
Subject: Re: FTP?
Organization: FAA / Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:50:18 GMT

>>>>> Regarding FTP?; starsabre@ultramac.uucp (JT August) writes:

JT> Okay, I understand what FTP is, but I do have one question that
JT> has been in my mind for quite some time:

JT> What do the lettres "F-T-P" stand for?

JT> John
JT> starsabre@ultramac.uucp

Forget The Programming (get it free :-)

Actuall, File Transfer Protocol
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/'''  ---------------------------------------------------------------
c-OO  Instrument Approach Procedures Automation       DOT/FAA/AMI-230
   \  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  -   Bryan D. Oakley            ctrbdo%iapa@constellation.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Where are folder icons stored?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:09:38 GMT

One other thing to consider; At least on files, there is a bit in the Get
Info box in ResEdit for using custom icons. If the same is true for
folders, then the bit should be unset when you trash the "Icon" file (as
it is called on the English system). Otherwise, it could be looking for a
file that isn't present when you try to paste a new one on the folder.

Jay (=

--
    John W. "Jay" Elmore Jr. (=            Email: johnel@linfield.edu
      "Why, it's just a matter of time before the Hulk..." "Ducks."
  "You'll shriek on defeat! You'll howl in anguish!" "Ouch." --HULK #398
                        ###KEEP CIRCULATING THE TAPES###
From: gjw2824@hertz.njit.edu (Greg Weston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 + CD-ROM 4.0.1 => NO Audio CD
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:45:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

From my experince, that's weird - I've had the follwing combos within
the last month:
7.0.1 tuned / CD 4.01
7.1/4.01
7.1/4.02
and I haven't had any problems with any of my CDs, audio or otherwise.
Might there be a compatibility issue with whatever version of AccessPC
you're using?
	Greg
From: bylsma@unixg.ubc.ca (Dieder A. Bylsma)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: New Mac Machine releases
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:37:43 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Just spoke to my local mac dealer...surprised that I could get as much
neat info as I did...


New Classic that will be relased (colour classic) is in a redesigned shell.
No big news there...apparently though it is quite squat and in the
words of the dealer 'Looks just like a little piggy...what with the feet
and the way it looks...it just needs ears and a tail'.

Quadra 800 apparently is essentially a Q950 shell cut in half. Apparently
quite boxy...nicknamed 'frigidaire' during development.

MacIIvi has been discontinued. After 3 months!

Centris machines are apparently positioned just below the Q700 (or where
it *used* to be).

Re: PB165c. Apparently is all ready for full production...'cept....
    battery life...1.5 to 2 hours. period. Requires a new adaptor
    for it since the older ones of previous PBs doesn't provide enough
    juice to drive the colour matrix display.

That's 'bout it.

Dieder B.
From: Michael.Davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org (Michael Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Locking Volume Name
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:57:43 CST
Reply-To: michael.davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org
Organization: The MacRocosm BBS, Lawrence, KS
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

Recently, Jim Bradley was asking:
  JM> Under system 7.0 and 7.1, virtual memory does not work if a user
  JM> renames the volume that was designated to hold the vm swap file. 
  JM> 
  JM> In a public lab situation how can I protect a volume name from
  JM> being accidentally changed by users? (I want VM always to work.
  JM> :-) 
  JM> 
  JM> Is it possible to lock the volume name, but not write-protect the
  JM> volume? 

There is probably a shareware utility that will lock the bolume name without
write protecting it but i have a way you can do it without a utility. There is
a bug in sys7 using AppleShare. If a sys6 users is allowed to share a sys7
volume, you can no longer change the name of the volume being shared. That's
what you're after. Now to be able to change the name later, get the very small
utility called Unlock Folder. It allows you to change the name of a sys7 volume
that has been shared to a sys6 user. Hope this works for you. Good Luck.

Liberty,
Michael

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Interface disimprovement: A simple no would suffice
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:38:52 GMT

In article <antjcb.728085176@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>, antjcb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu
(J.C.Burns) wrote:
> 
> I'm annoyed. Darn annoyed. First one upgrade, then another after another has switched to the 'Save/Don't save' form of standard dialog box, replacing
> the simple, clear, 'Yes/No/Cancel.' So at first I had a special Quickey

The Yes/No/Cancel requires that you carefully read the question.  The
Save/Don't Save form makes it much clearer what will happen if you click a
certain button.

The problem for you is that either QuicKeys isn't smart enough or that
programs aren't consistent on how the button names are spelled.  This seems
to be minor issues compared to making sure the user knows what is going to
happen.  (You can use ResEdit on your apps to make them all have the same
button names.)

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
From: lingerke@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Ken Linger)
Subject: Does this Comm Tool Exist?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:01:31 GMT

Are there any programs or tools which would allow me to do the following AFTER
I have a modem connection?

- Use my Mac to FTP or Gopher somewhere?
- Use my Mac to UUCP somewhere?
- Use my Mac to NNTP somewhere?
- Use Mac TCP over a serial line modem connection?

Am I asking the impossible?

An example:  I telnet a news server and want to read news with a Mac
program.  This might possibly be done from Unix and then calling up the
Mac program.

Ken Linger
Linger@starsys.laf.in.us
--

	Ken Linger                              Linger@starsys.laf.in.us
	School of Computer Science              lingerke@expert.cc.purdue.edu
	Purdue University                       AOL:  Ken Linger

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From: cranem@edsi.plexus.COM (Mike Crane)
Subject: Re: bad f-line
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:56:46 GMT

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:
>>To those experiencing the above error.
>>My Apple Dealer said bad f-line errors occur due to an incompatibility with
>>32-bit addressing.  If you turn off 32-bit addressing your program should
>>work.
>I'm not sure the dealer hit the nail entirely on the head. I just got a bad
>f-line error in Excel, which I am pretty sure was due to the small amount of
>memory it received after my other apps started. I am not running with 32-bit
>addressing on (don't have enough memory yet). Maybe it has something to do
>with memory allocation and/or swapping? There was an awful lot of disk
>activity before the error. Anyone out there know the definitive answer?

Not a definitive answer, but I *know* it isn't 32-bit addressing that is
causing the problem.  You see, I'm running a Macintosh Plus with a 68030
accelerator installed -- it doesn't *have* 32-bit addressing as an
option.  It turned out that the primary cause of my bad f-line errors
was a system extension incompatibility with the version of system
software I had installed.  In my case it was System 7.0 (with the 1.1.1
tuneup) and an extension written by Raymond Lau (of Stuffit/Stuffit Deluxe
fame).  The extension (SFVolInit) was written in the days of System 6,
and worked fine there.  It even appeared to work fine with System 7.0,
except when certain programs OPEN or SAVE file dialogs were opened --
at which point the system would crash horribly with the dreaded "Bad
F-line error" message.

Perhaps it was justice -- though I *really* had intended to, I never did pay
the shareware fee for SFVolInit.  Since I discovered the problem,
though, I have switched to Directory Assistance (from the Norton
Utilities - which I *did* purchase).
--
Mike Crane     GEnie: M.CRANE   America Online: MIKE566
Internet: cranem@edsi.plexus.com, cranem@csystems.appleton.mil.wi.us,
	  Michael_Crane@ntc.com, mike566@aol.com
"Who needs drugs...we've got UNIX!" - Me

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: alana@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Thomas Alan Akins)
Subject: HP 4M PostScript Code Needed	
Summary: Code to enable special character printing
Organization: The uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the			      Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:28:29 GMT

I'm looking for the PostScript code which will allow the 4M (and others) access
to the apple symbols.  According to HP, these characters are not allowed to be
printed from an HP (or, the 4M at least) because of copyright problems.

I know this code exists somewhere, I just can't find it.

Thanx,
Alan

-- 
*                                        |    Alan Akins                      *
*       "I could say 'addition'          |    alana@cs.uoregon.edu            *
*        when I mean ... 'basketball.'"  |    University of Oregon            *
*                        - E. Tick       |    Department of Computer Science  *
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce
Subject: proposing a newsgroup Re: ** PB Newsgroup - Please Read! **
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Date: 21 Jan 1993 07:16:56 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


In article <1894@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labccc@emory.edu (Chris Chung) writes:

>I'd like to propose a new newsgroup... comp.sys.mac.powerbook.
...

	I've contacted Chris about "the errors of his ways" and am
	working with him to, hopefully, get this done without seeing
	too many feathers ruffled...

>...submit [support] articles to: news.announce.newsgroups

	well, DON'T - read the respective FAQs about proposing new
	newsgroups procedures instead (if tempted) ...


> or mail to:           announce-newgroups@rpi.edu

	DON'T  !!!  (you have been warned! :-)


>In order for this group to be created, discussion participation is vital.

	na, I don't think so.  no discussion is needed, just a vote... :-)



>This article will be posted to:
....<too many>...

	Chris didn't even cross-post, but posted to each group individually.
	<gag>

	has anyone heard of a software tool to prevent people from posting
	unless they have read the respective FAQs (and passed some interactive
	exam, maybe ?!? :-)
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce
Subject: Re: System 7.1 upgrade availability for Canadian Users
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:36:40 -0600
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Follup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc


In <1993Jan23.043416.24772@freenet.carleton.ca> aa443@freenet.carleton.ca
(Robert Szarek) writes: 

> Recently the internet has been filled with the Apple offer of upgrading
> to System 7.1 to US users only. But now I'm pleased to tell the net that
> Apple Canada (seperate from Apple USA) has been convinced to offer this
> upgrade was well.
> The upgrade is valid only to Canadian User Group Members only.

I contacted Apple Canada many weeks ago and confirmed that a
similar upgrade is available to *all* Apple Canada customers... 


			System 7.1 Update Kit

  This single-user package provides the software necessary for current
  System 7 users to upgrade to System 7.1.  It includes 1.4 MB (or 800K)
  system disks, a QuickTime 1.5 disk, and the System 7.1 Upgrade Guide.

  The System 7.1 Update Kit is available directly from Apple Canada by
  calling 1-800-665-2775, ext. 700.  It is priced at $49.

Okay, that's $10 more than your "User Group Members only" deal,
but it's real close and there was no mention of a cut-off date.
From: gavini@apple.com (Mark Gavini)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce
Subject: InterNet Survey Results
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:23:42 -0600
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Follup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc


	|| Moderator's Note:  I was not aware of this survey, but I was
	||	on vacations for several weeks.  Well, I hope the results
	||	are of use and interest to the (many?) participants
	||	(though no absolute numbers were given anywhere, strangely).
	||


		  Thanks to everyone who responded!


		       InterNet Survey Results:

Background:
	Advertising		 2%
	Arts-Humanities		 9%
	Biz/Mktg		 9%
	Communications		 2%
	CS or related		28%
	Eng or related		18%
	Math			 5%
	Medical			 5%
	Natural Sci.		15%

Mac Used
	Classic  or Classic II	 7%
	Macintosh LC or LCII	12%
	Macintosh Plus		 2%
	Macintosh Quadra 700	 2%
	Macintosh Quadra 900	 2%
	Macintosh SE		 7%
	Macintosh SE30		10%
	Macintosh ][		 2%
	Macintosh ][ci		19%
	Macintosh ][cx		 5%
	Macintosh ][fx		 2%
	Macintosh ][si		19%
	Macintosh ][x		 2%
	PowerBooks		16% (some as 2nd CPUs)

What do you do with your Mac?
	The number one answer was Word Processing! Number two was
	Programming, then Communications, Games and Graphics.

Applications Used:
	Mostly Microsoft stuff for word processing, Excel,
	Think languages.   Euro.netters seem to like Framemaker.

Math Intensive?
			Not:		37%
			Somewhat:	33%
			Very:		30%

Colour Monitor?
			Yes: 60%
			No:  40%

Printer Type:
			Dot Matrix:	14%
			Inkjet:		30%
			Laser:		56%

What kind of Mac would you like?

		Quadra:		25%
		PowerBook:	28%
		FutureMac:	47%

Is Colour Output Important?

			Not:		32%
			Somewhat:	28%
			Very:		40%

Is Portability Important?

			Not:		16%
			Somewhat:	42%
			Very:		42%
From: eric@cse.ucsc.edu (Eric Rosen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce
Subject: MacLayers v1.20 released (significant speed enhancement!)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:19:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: eric@cse.ucsc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Follup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm

	[ Moderator Note: I do not often approve such update articles,
			  but this one I like.  sue me ... ;-) ]

                      Announcing MacLayers v1.20
                           17 January, 1993

     A new version of the MacLayers multi-window terminal emulator for
     UNIX systems is available for Anonymous FTP on RASCAL.ICS.UTEXAS.EDU
     [128.83.138.20] in directory mac/communications/MacLayers.

Eric Rosen has taken over development of MacLayers from Dave Trissel.
This is Eric's first MacLayers release.

What's New: max 56k baud speed, Copy+Paste, OPEN parameter files

Major Fix:  Powerbooks internal modems don't hangup when layers quits

     MacLayers is a vt100 terminal emulator that allows multiple
     terminal windows to be opened to a host simultaneously over a
     single serial connection.  The remote host computer must be a
     UNIX(TM) system which has sockets support. Each terminal window
     may be associated with a shell, login to a different host, or an
     individual command. Complete facilities are available for
     controlling the window and the associated host processes attached
     thereto.

     MacLayers is free for all to use, but is not in the Public Domain.