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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>
milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
> I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine
> who is an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the
> third Saturday in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country,
> ...
> Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way?

For most Bama fans, I would guess the Bama-vs-Auburn game to be the
most important, followed by Bama-vs-Tennessee, probably followed by
Bama-vs-LSU.  The Georgia and Florida games would probably be bigger
rivalries if they were played every year.  I always looked forward
to the Penn St. games, and was sad to see that rivalry come to an
end.

The Bama-vs-UT game may be the "biggest" in terms of attendance.  I
believe the capacity of Nehland stadium is second only to Ann Arbor,
and they were adding more seats last I heard.

----
Then I said unto them, what is the high place whereunto ye go?
And the name thereof is called Bama unto this day. - Ezekiel 20:29
----

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:59:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct12.173325.53750@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>I know this post will generate a lot of flame, and that's why I posted it. =:)
>From my not-very-biased point of view, Pac10 is by far the best conference in
>CFA. Just look at the following:
 
(Deleted Pac 10 non-conference wins, most of which were impressive)

>And also given the current AP or UPI rankings:
>Washington (1 or 2)
>Stanford (8 or 9)
>USC (20)
>Washington State (21)
>California (out of Top-25 because the loss to Washington)
>UCLA (out of Top-25 because the loss to Stanford)
>..The reason that many of these teams are not ranked higher because they were
>   beaten by other Pac-10 teams.
>
>Any dispute that Pac10 isn't the best conference?

I do not dispute that the Pac 10 is a good conference, but the logic of blaming the lower (or non) rankings because one team beat another is pathetic. If this  were a valid arguement, then Tennessee would still be in the top 4, because theylost to Arkansas (another SEC team). Georgia and Florida would certainly have tobe ranked in the top 5 also because their only losses were in conference games. While we are at it, I believe Miss. St., Kentucky, and Auburn should be highly  ranked because they have only l


ost to SEC teams. With this considered, my top 10would be:
1)Alabama
2)Georgia
3)Tennessee
4)Florida
5)Miss. State
6)Kentucky
7)Auburn
8)Miami
9)Washington
10)Michigan

We could even make the Bowl Alliance out of SEC teams.

Now doesn't this sound ludicrous? This is what being in a conference is all     about - tough competition week in and week out (but don't tell The Big (sic)    this). Playing conference rivals gives the potential to play a tough team each  week. They may not play well in an out of conference game, but you always play  your conference rivals with extra fire.
Stick to the out of conference wins, somebody has to win the in conference games(unless you have Notre Dame in your conference).
-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
The only thing in life that you get
for free is your feelings hurt.
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Playoff system
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:55:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Just wanted to say the following things:
  1)  Having a college football playoff would be stupid, because it would
      distract the STUDENT athletes during first semester/quarter finals.
      (For all you Bay Area people who call U-Dub U-Dummy, forget it.. our
       athletes are good students also)
  2)  If you want to watch a playoff system, I suggest that you go watch the
      ever-so-boring NFL.
  3)  If two college football teams finish the season undefeated, ranked #1 
      and #2 or #1/#1, then they should meet at a neutral sight after their
      respective bowl games to put the MNChampionship in proper perspective.
      (No #3 or #4 teams allowed, even if they are also undefeated).
  4)  NCAA should not and will not convert to a playoff system to benefit
      the sportswriters and fans in the expense of the athletes.

Any flames, comments, annecdotes, remarks, solutions?...

:)

-Behzad  
p.s.  I think that the UO Ducks are gonna beat the Huskies this Saturday and
  finally avenge us for the 1948 incident...  :)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: Sunday morning QB
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:37:50 GMT

In article <F0wmsB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe) writes:

   kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:

   >> 
   >> * Hawaii, playing their 3rd road game, finally came apart in Utah.
   >>   The WAC is San Diego State's to lose. They play Hawaii in SD, 
   >>   and except for back-to-back road games in ColoSt and Wyoming, 
   >>   they have no threats at all. 
   >> 
   >> 

   >	Except that SDSU doesn't play Utah, who is also undefeated so far.  
   >If they stay that way, Utah goes to the Holiday Bowl, since they've never 
   >been there.


My prediction: Utah wins all remaining games except Fresno State (they've only lost 3 
home games since 85), and BYU (they own Utah). Fresno State will loose to San Diego 
at San Diego. San Diego will loose to someone, but only once (unless Marshall Faulk gets 
hurt). Hawaii will fall apart. BYU will win the rest of thier WAC games.

This will leave SDSU alone in first place with one loss.
BYU, Utah and Fresno State will tie for 2nd with 2 losses each.

SDSU in the Holiday bowl.
Utah in the aloha bowl or the copper bowel.
BYU in the aloha bowl or the Freedom bowl.
AFA in the Liberty bowl.

Just a guess, Flame away.


						Richard.
From: stearnss@tirith.carleton.edu (Samurai Vaxgeek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: STEARNSS@CARLETON.EDU
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In article <1992Oct8.152529.15176@news2.cis.umn.edu>, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes...
>There have a lot of rivalries mentioned. I haven't heard from many Alabama
>fans. Who do you feel provides the most intense rivalry, the game that you
>would be willing to lose everything else as long a you can win that one.
>Auburn or Tennesee?  
No contest. Auburn. the very mention of the word makes my blood start to boil.
I hate Auburn with a passion. It's a big big rivalry. Tennessee, on the other
hand, i have a good deal of respect for. I usually root for them outside of our
game (for some strange reason) OBAuburnJoke: What does Auburn stand for?
Alabama Usually Beats Us RedNecks. (from a few years ago, before Auburn got
good.) The Tennessee games may have been better games, but you had more
recruiting wars and family splits with auburn.
>  [good observations deleted.....]
>  rivalries always televised...
>  Michigan-OSU
>  Notre Dame-USC
>  Army-Navy
>  Texas-TAMU
>  Tennesee-Alabama Y
>  Auburn-Alabama Y 
> 
>-any others?
> 
>bob
>a Michigan fan
Tennesee-Alabama is a good bet to be televised. At least in the South. Last
year, though, i saw it up here in Minnesota. And if any non-big10 game is
televised up here, it's a big game. Auburn-Alabama is a certainty. no question.
probably by ABC or CBS and it'll be the national game. This has been helped i
think in some years by it being on a Friday. but i'm not sure about that.
Anecdote: when the Auburn wimps finally got the game down in Auburn, there were
Alabama fans buying season tickets to Auburn games just to get a ticket for
that game. now that's big.
> 
> 
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bob Milius                                        milius@lenti.med.umn.edu

Scott Stearns
Carleton College
Northfield, MN 55057

sitting here with my brand new t-shirt that says 'PLUCK AUBURN' on the front
and then on the back has a big ole elephant plucking an auburn eagle. 

ROLL TIDE! Here, kitty kitty!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: Marsee Rankings & Predictions for 10/17/92
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.130852.8329@newstand.syr.edu> demarsee@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darryl E. Marsee) writes:
>
> MARSEE DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL COMPUTER RANKINGS FOR WEEKEND ENDING 10/10/92
>                                                                             
>       (Power ratings in parenthesis - ties broken by defensive rating)      
>                                                                             
>  1. WASHINGTON     (938)
>  8. MIAMI          (837)

This ranking pleases me, because I am a PAC-10 fan and don't think much of
Miami, but I am surprised that your system comes up with such a large
difference between these two teams.  I know it may be difficult too analyze,
because this is just the settled state of some big constraint-satisfaction
problem, but I was just wondering if you could summarize why your system
believes Miami should have such a low score relative to Washington.  Does the
point differential in Miami's last 3 victories have that big an effect?
It would be interesting to see the rankings with your algorithm, but ignoring
the point differential of a victory.
From: jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:29:31 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <2AD34DE0.25971@news.service.uci.edu> jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>
    I wrote :

>  All this talk on the educational superiority of OU reminds me of an
>  old joke. For those of you who haven't heard it,
>
>  Q:  What happens when an aggie leaves A&M and joins OU ?
>
>  A:  He brings up the average IQ of both Texas and Oklahoma !
          ^^^^^^^^^

   I guess I should have said `raises'. Sorry to bring up this thing
   again...  My own brain has not been that sharp since I left  
   Texas, you know...  No goobers around to keep my mind occupied !

   GO HORNS !

   Jay.
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:31:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct15.173556.22020@microsoft.com> paullu@microsoft.com (Paul Lukinich) writes:
>If anyone out there
>thinks that the bowl coalition is anything other than a plot by the other bowl committees,
>plus, of course, Notre Dame, they're kidding themselves. 

I think it's something else, and I don't think I'm kidding myself.
I think it's a plot by the bowl committees, Notre Dame, *and* a bunch of
college football conferences.  Nobody forced the Big East and ACC to 
participate, and I'm sure the opposition of the SEC, Big 8, or SWC would 
have caused their bowls to withdraw, which probably would have made the
whole deal collapse.  If you're in one of the first pool slots for the 
bowl alliance, you're in a sweet position, money-wise, so there was no 
need for a bunch of guys in silly blazers and a dorky leprechaun to hold 
guns to the conference committees' heads.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:34:17 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
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|> I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine who is
|> an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the third Saturday
|> in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country, and if
|> Tennesee manages to beat Bama the first time around and both teams play in
|> the championship, it will be the 'biggest event in the south since the
|> burning of Atlanta'. Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way? Is
|> the 'third Saturday in October' always the most important game of the year 
|> for you? As a Michigan fan and alum, I 'grew up' believing that no rivalry
|> could be as intense as the Michigan-OhioState game. After reading this
|> newsgroup, I hear about Notre Dame-USC and THE GAME between Cal and Stanford.
|> 
|> What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
|> they as intense to both teams?
|> 
|> -bob
|> -- 
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Bob Milius                                        milius@lenti.med.umn.edu

I've always felt that the UT-OU was a pretty huge game. It is scheduled during
the Texas State Fair, and played in Dallas, a nuetral site.  For a game that
means little but pride (e.g. no Rose/Cotton/Orange/etc.. Bowl implications)
it is still huge. But it was bigger when some Natl Championship implications
were also involved.

Murph
From: 01jametzger@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bo wants back!! Was: John.Cooper.must.die.die.die
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:36:53 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <2f6-Fh#@engin.umich.edu>, hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
> 
> I saw in an interview with Bo, that he wants to go back into
> coaching.  Maybe Ohio State will offer him a job??
> 
> John Hajel

I can only pray....
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:25:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct7.185703.21882@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>>they as intense to both teams?
>
>I don't believe there is a single rivalry that the majority of college
>football fans would agree is the biggest rivalry.  

I must agree with Peter. There is no "biggest" rivalry. I am particularily fond of the Ga-Fla game held every year in Jacksonville. The Dawg fans leave for     J'ville on Thursday and party straight through 'til Sunday, which usually       includes a victory over Florida.

-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
The only thing in life that you get
for free is your feelings hurt.
From: tommy@macpost.vanderbilt.edu (Tommy Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:12:24 GMT
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Organization: Vanderbilt School of Medicine

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) wrote:
> 
> I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine who is
> an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the third Saturday
> in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country, and if
> Tennesee manages to beat Bama the first time around and both teams play in
> the championship, it will be the 'biggest event in the south since the
> burning of Atlanta'. Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way?

Though I went to Vanderbilt, I remain a serious Tennessee football fan. To
the Vols, nothing is bigger than the Alabama game. Over here in Nashville,
however, Vandy fans like to think the UT-Vandy game is a big rivalry. In
fact, most Vol fans view the Vandy game as no more important than any other
SEC game, and certainly less important than the Bama game or any game
against a ranked opponent.

--Tommy Williams        tommy@macpost.vanderbilt.edu

  The Virgil Project
  Vanderbilt University School of Medicine
  (615) 343-0343
From: derek@comlab.gatech.edu (Derek Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:38:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Here at Georgia Tech, the situation sounds similar to what a previous poster
said about Texas A&M - UT; our "White and Gold" is an entire song ripping
Georgia and the world famous fight "Ramblin' Wreck" has the "good word":
	To Hell With Georgia!!

I know our biggest rivalry, by far, is UGA but I don't think UGA fans see it
this way.  Any Dawgs out there that wish to comment?

As a note, I think our next biggest rivalry is Clemson but FSU is really
looming big on the horizon (I hate this considering I'm a 'Noles fan also!).
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From: mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: longhorn football
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:36:43 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
> >  Ahh, Mike.  Tsk.  And again, tsk.  Yes indeed, folks it is true.  The Long-
> >horns do indeed have a winning record against every SWC team.  It is also true
> >that have sucked rocks for all but 1 year since 1986.  If you desire to live
> >in the '70's, by all means go right ahead...:-)

i'm a Longhorn, through and through...sorry, i don't have a Longhorn past
record book in front of me but why stop at 1986.  why not keep going back...say
to the day the university had a division 1-a football team ;-)


> Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu
> Gardere is gone after this season, and the new QB was the most highly
> recruited QB in Texas (maybe the nation).  We'll see...

> >  Indeed we will.  A word of warning: Highly touted QB recruits do not always
> >seem to pan out.  Take it from someone who knows. :-)

this is correct, jim.  ut has had the top recruited qb in the nation the last
two recruiting years, steve clements (sp?) and shea morenz.  i think i have my
years straight.  i may have been two out of the last three recruiting years.
in any case, look where clements is now (BYU).  morenz has played in a couple
of games and has not looked all that well but this is a learning season for him.
i still wish johnny mac would have redshirted him.  i can still hope for an
injury redshirt.  you know he gets hurt in practice and they get to redshirt
him ;-)  of course, there is no guarantee that he will stay for 4 years let
alone 5.  he is suppose to be a pretty damn good outfielder.
so, i guess...start his career now.

mike

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:21:48 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:Best Marching Band

In article <1992Oct13.102819@trc.amoco.com>, zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E.
Dupree) says:

>Feel free to wake me up when this subject matter passes.  I used to be in
>marching band and fully realize that if you wish to make your musical
>composition sound thoroughly awful, you should make a marching band
>arrangement for it.

Another bitter USC grad?
:)

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
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From: lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 01:39:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.231835.23782@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.192903.33776@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Alright fans, let's hear your arguments!!!  Who in the world can deny that
>>the Miami Hurricanes are the #1 team in the nation, without a doubt???
>>Not only are they undefeated...
>>Not only have they beat a number of ranked/tough opponents...
>>But...
>>
>>In successive weeks, they have taken down #3 Flordia State, and now, they
>>have travelled to #7 Penn State, and beat them on their own turf...
>
>Don't forget, they CRUSHED Arizona. A team that managed to TIE mighty
>Oregon State, and BARELY lost to powerhouse Cal State Fullerton...
>
>Yup, definite #1 ...

is that the Arizona team that just barely squeaked by that also-ran UCLA?


John L 
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From: landay+@cs.cmu.edu (James A Landay)
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:20:57 GMT

Tonight on ESPN, Chris Fowler claimed that the SEC was the MOST overrated
conference this season (though he did say they were normally very tough,
but having an off year.)  

In addition, he said that the SEC played only one top 25 team in something 
like 25 out of conference games. He compared this to the conference mentioned
in the subject line and said they played ~10 teams out of conference in the 
top 25 and had a winning record against them.... Is this really true?  Is 
the SEC not as good this year?  I thought that football was only played in 
the South!



-- 

James A. Landay
landay@cs.cmu.edu