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From: jfc@salmon.sea.macsch.com (Jack Castro)
Subject: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Originator: jfc@salmon.sea.macsch.com
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. (MSC) Seattle Technical Office
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:00:10 GMT


For river and stream fishing, where you are prone to snags and abrasions
from rocks and bushes, I have always preferred either Trilene XLT (Blue
label) or Maxima. I think that the Trilene has better limpness than the
Maxima. I prefer the clear coloration of the Trilene over the greenish 
Maxima as well. The Maxima, however, might be a tad bit stronger.
-- 
 
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From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Salmo Salar
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:02:45 GMT

bhoffe@kean.ucs.mun.ca wrote:

> Are there any crazed Atlantic Salmon (Salmo Salar) anglers out there??? If 
> so, I would really appreciate hearing about your fishing adventures.

The word cRaZEd caught my eye :-)

Out west (eg, Oregon), Atlantic Salmon have been successfully planted
in several freshwater lakes.   I usually fish for them several times
a year by flyfish float-tubing, and expect chunky fish in the 14-23"
range.   In another month, the Atlantic salmon fishing should be at
its peak in Oregon.

Decades ago, a Salmo Salar strain from up your way was planted in a few
Oregon Lakes (Hosmer Lake is the best example), but they had too strong
a desire to make a spawning run - in this case, they killed themselves
trying to swim down lava tubes in the lakes they were planted in.

Later, a strain from Maine was successfully planted - they didn't have
as strong an urge to make a spawning run.   In the past two years, Oregon
fish and game has tried to introduce Atlantic Salmon to a few more lakes
to provide an alternative fishing opportunity - ya know, those steelhead
and west coast salmon get a little boring after awhile :-)

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
From: mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Summary: Again something that should go into the FAQ
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:04:50 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

This looks like another topic that should be put into a FAQ for this group.

-mike
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From: cherasia@viper.bear.com (Peter Cherasia)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Report: Hudson Canyon
Summary: East Coast Tuna Fishing
Keywords: Offshore Fishing
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:57:03 GMT
Distribution: USA
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I'm not sure that there will be much interest in this post since most of
the discussion in this newsgroup seems to center around freshwater 
techniques, but I thought that I would give it a try. 

Last weekend I ran out to the Hudson Canyon for an overnight tuna 
chunking/trolling trip. We made the 92NM trip in 4-6' seas in around
4 hrs & 15 mins arriving at the east wall of the canyon at 10:30 friday
night. Stopped at the Texas Tower on the way and jigged up a few squid
and then settled in on a high flyer on the edge of the wall in about 
450' of water. We marked pretty good concentrations of tinker mackerel
(up top) and squid (on the thermocline - 110') and the water temp was
cool for this time of year around 69.5 - 70.2 degrees. 

We started chunking butterfish  and used 4 rods in the set 2 butters and 2 squid. We got an immediate response from the dolphin that must of been
hanging under the high flyer as four 5-7# chicks began to cruise the slick. Unlike the trip that made two weeks before the chunking was very slow
and we didn't get our first tuna runoff until around 4:00am. We then 
had four quick runoffs without getting a solid hookup. 

The night fishing was very poor. In fact out of thirty boats in the 
canyon that night only 1 yellowfin and 1 swordfish were taken. Probably
due to the cold water and the purse seiners that had moved in on the 
fishery during the week. During my prior trip the water temp was 72.5  
degrees and were 6 yellowfins between 75 and 125#s in the boat in the 
first two hours of fishing.

Anyway, we broke down before sunrise and began trolling the edge at 
around 4:45. I used a 9 lure spread with birds/daisy chains on the 
1 & 2 rods, purple 6" zukers on 9 & 8, purple 4" zukers on 4 & 7, A
green machine on 3 & 6 and a green bigeye clone on #5. 



                     --------------------
                     |   5          6   |
                     |       1  2       |
                     |4                7|--------
                     |                  |
          -----------|3                8|--------------                         

We trolled for about 3 1/2 hours hooking up 13 Longfins and 1 Bigeye 
boating 5 of the Longfins (the usual limit for tuna on my boat). We
had some pretty good excitement during the first 2 hours as most of
the knockdowns came in twos and we had a 500 - 600# class blue marlin
free jump about 50 yards off the port beam (we worked that area for the
next 45 minutes but couldn't raise him). After that we decided to head
in a little early because the seas had grown pretty sloppy and the 
wind was beginning to freshen to around 20 - 25 kts. All in all, a decenttrip but not a good one for the hudson canyon.



			Pete Cherasia


Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: gordon@meaddata.com (Gordon Edwards)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:08:11 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <BuBJC9.Mnz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
>mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker) writes:
>>trying to make some good decisions as to what brand of line
>>to use.  My requirements are good-to-excellent limpness as I
>>am using a spinning rig 100% of the time.  I need good knot
>>holding capability. I do mostly river and stream fishing, so
>>I need something with good abrasion resistance.  But I also
>>do a little saltwater spinning too.  Almost all of the
>>fishing I do, salt or fresh, bay, stream, or lake, is light
>>tackle, less than 10lb test.  What are everybody's
>>recommendations?
>
>	If limpness is your primary requirement, then Trilene XL is my
>	favorite.  However, since knot strength and abrasion resistance
>	are important, you probably want a co-polymer line.  Both
>	Bagely Silver Thread and Trimax are excellent lines.  Trimax
>	has done something to make the new stuff a little limper.
>	I think silver thread is slightly smaller in dia.  These lines
>	also have much less stretch than standard lines which helps in
>	hook setting.  -Roger

I have used DuPont Stren as long as I can remember. This year alone, I have
pulled a 19 foot boat all over Caesar Creek with 6# line. :-) An alternative
is DuPont's 7/20 (or 14/40 for really big boats). It supposedly the diameter
(its actually oval) of 7# line with the strength of 20# line. I have never
used it myself, but Greg (he owns the 19 foot boat) has had pretty good
luck with it.


--Gordon Edwards  (gordon@meaddata.com)
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: Cardinal 3 Wanted (Old Style)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:19:09 GMT

In article <9921@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> dave@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Dave A. Henrich) writes:

   I've been trying to find an older model Cardinal 3 reel. 
   These were made in Sweden in the 1970's. Marketed by Zebco
   They were dark green and light mint green in color.
   If anyone out there has one that is in
   good condition and willing to sell please email me.

I have a few which I can be persuaded to sell for the right price. But
if I were you I would go buy a daiwa UL 7 (?) or a Penn 230SS instead
(depending on the weight you are looking for).

The cardinal 3 was a good reel in terms of the drive train. It has a
OK drag. The spool however sucks. Plastic/graphite spools will crack
if placed under a lot of pressure (big fish/long fight).

I was told that the older cardinal 3/4 reels are worth a lot of money
now days. They are good reels certainly but I don't think they are
worth $150-200 dollars I have heard about.

Just look for a reel like the Daiwa UL or the Penn series that has a
metal spool and a good drag and your money would be much better spent
than buying a Cardinal 3. (IMHO)

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Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:36:40 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.181020.13860@ll.mit.edu> roe@ll.mit.edu ( Ted Roe) writes:
>
>My own experience last week in central Maine was poor bass fishing
>during several days of windy, sunny, steady high pressure. 

With a name like Roe you should be fishing for Salmon and Steelhead anyway.

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From: hberg@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven D Hilberg)
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:30:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.151241.10612@cunews.carleton.ca> heeswyk@sce.carleton.ca (Frank van Heeswyk) writes:

>I agree.  I've been looking for a calander with pictures of fish (esp. trout)
>in their natural habitat and/or on the line for the past few years with no
>luck.  I like to see pictures of fish, not other people fishing.
>
>Frank van Heeswyk



In-Fisherman puts out a very nice calendar featuring the artwork
of Larry Toppel(sp).  I save my old calendars and have framed a couple
of the prints.  The calendar also contains information on species,
techniques, and lunar periods.  Well worth the $9.95! 

-- 
Steve Hilberg       __     "Some people are weatherwise but 
               *   /--      most are otherwise."  BF
              * * x
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Pier Fishing for Sharks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:58:54 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> Jeff Holsapple writes:

*STUFF DELETED*
> After hooking and taking turns fighting a shark, we would walk it down to
> the beach and try to remove it's jaws.
> 
> The only shark I helped catch was an 8' bull shark but my buddies caught
> several hammerheads, including an 11 footer. We managed to get the jaws out
> of the bull shark, but when we tried to pull it back out past the shore
> break, the waves kept washing it back onto the beach. I can just image the
> expressions on the tourists as they arrived the next morning and saw an 8'
> shark carcass floating in the surf.

If you were going to kill the shark, why the hell didn't you at least 
eat it.  Shark meat is very good.  Well, I guess we all did some things
as kids that we would just as soon forget now that we have thought about
them for a few years.

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From: anders@autopsy.csd.sgi.com (Greg Anders)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fall run Salmon in California???
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:26:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


	It seems to me that I remember hearing about a fall salmon run
from the pacific into several rivers in Northern California.  I am looking
for suggestions on good locations to take advantage of this and approximate
timing (ie: sept. or october).  I would appreciate any input from someone
who knows the area and the season.  

thanks,
-- 



        
	Greg Anders


	"One doesn`t discover new lands without consenting to lose
	 sight of the shore for a very long time."
	
						Andre Gide
						French Novelist    

	"I know but sometimes its scary without any point of
	 reference to feel secure"

						Most normal people 
               

	anders@autopsy.csd.sgi.com
                             
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Fall run Salmon in California???
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:37:37 GMT

> 	It seems to me that I remember hearing about a fall salmon run
> from the pacific into several rivers in Northern California.

Before making travel plans, be sure to see if there are any closures.
The Klamath basin has many new salmon/steelhead restrictions - I believe
it has experienced some of the most dramatic downturns in salmon and
steelhead populations for the west coast :-(

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: September in the Abasorkas
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:24:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Does anyone know when big game hunting begins in the Abasorkas of Wyoming?
I'd like to do a short late September fishing trip there, but I don't relish
dodging bullets.

Thanks in advance,
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:29:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.112335.18898@linus.mitre.org> wesm@mbunix.mitre.org (Miller) writes:
|
|
|	I have a friend who is also an avid hunter. His father just stumbled
|upon an old hand held (rifle) harpoon gun. The ultimate for fishing for 
|jet-skiers, water skiers, inner-tubers, and the many species of boater that
|happen to be in season.
>
>	BTW...how do we properly filet this type of game? :-)
 
With a dull knife or an 8x11" sheet of paper.  Then season to taste with
lemon, salt and pepper.  You'll find the educational sounds to be much 
louder
 					
Don't forget to add a liberal dose of smileys.
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From: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Reply-To: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:27:28 GMT

Mike,

I proposed a similar question back in the spring, and if my memory
serves me correctly, the two lines that people had the best things to
say about where Berkley Trilene (you would probably want the XL) and
Silverthread.  I ended up buying the Berkley Trilene XT (10 # test) for
use on a baitcaster for bass.  I highly recommend this line.  I have
dragged it through rocks, brush, snags etc. -- no problems.  I beleive
the XL is supposed to be limper though.  That is what I am going to be
spooling up on my spinning reel (6# test).

Good Luck,

Bernie Kosicki
kosicki@s35.Prime.com
From: mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:13:53 GMT
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

> Can someone summarize the conventional wisdom regarding best weather
> for fishing?  Specifically, I have read reports (usually lacking in
> either detail or concrete evidence) that indicate that fishing for
> bass and walleye picks up as a front starts to move through an area
> and the barometric pressure falls.  In contrast, high pressuse tends
> to disfavor good fishing.  Can someone recommend a book that describes
> the affects of weather on fishing in a fair amount of detail?
> -- 
> Thomas Narten
> narten@cs.albany.edu

The best weather I've found for fishing on the rivers in Colorado is
cold and wet.  This weather tends to discourage other anglers/tourists/
boaters and leave the river to me.

On the other hand, if my daughter is along, sunny and warm is preferable
because it doesn't take much to dim her enthusiasm.

Seriously, I've never found any particular correlation between weather
and success in fishing so long as you make adjustments in the methods
you use (e.g., dry flies in a snowstorm probably won't be too
productive).

Mike McNelly
mike@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:06:48 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Pier Fishing for Sharks
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <18rlq8INN6vu@agate.berkeley.edu> mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.000913.27097@spock.retix.com> cathal@spock.retix.com (Cathal Fitzpatrick) writes:
>>I've just been reading in the LA Times today about 3 Great Whites that
>>have been caught lately by guys fishing off Manhattan Beach Pier (they
>>were all about 6-7 feet). The pier is not very long, and I got
>>the impression from the article that the sharks were actually landed
>>on the beach after being hooked from the pier.
>>
>>Anyone out there ever fished for sharks like this ?? What sort
>>of tackle is used and is it very common to catch sharks so close to
>>the shore ??
>
>Well, when I was younger and still living in the area, I used to
>go out onto Hermosa Pier to fish for bonito, mackeral, or whatever
>and used to see some of the "regulars" going for sharks.  I'd see
>them bait up with a whole mackeral fillet about 8" long and toss
>it as far as they could in almost *any* direction! (usually to
>the west, though)  I once saw a guy get a 7' Hammerhead.  Lots of

Reminds me of the time (when I was *much* younger :) as a kid I was
fishing from a pier in San Luis Obispo during a mackeral run.  For about
an hour I had seen a 6' blue shark (I *think* that's what it was) swimming
around the pilings, chasing mackeral.  Some guy a ways down finally hooked
the shark.  He had 40lb line, and played it for about 10 minutes, trying
to ease the shark towards the beach.  finally, the shark tired of the game,
turned towards the open ocean, and ping! went the line.  

I've since learned that to catch sharks, you probably ought to use a steel
leader, since many shark's hides are very rough and can cut the line easily.
I don't know if that's what happened to the guy above or not.  You also 
should be careful when you reach in its mouth to remove the hook :-)
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Laser guided smart-lures
Keywords: Laser, Lure, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:12:18 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.173135.6547@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers) writes:
|
|     I was watching some saturday morning fishing show a couple of months back
|(it was more like a paid advertisement) and they were pushing these lures that
|move when you pull a string.  

That string is connected to a pin.  These things are also sometimes called
hand grenades.

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:29:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


> in Article 594 (8 more) in rec.outdoors.fishing
> boone@rtsg.mot.com (Todd D. Boone) writes:

> I recommend Bagley's Silver Tread AN40.  Tackle Test Magazine
> did an article that Highly recommended AN40 2 lb test over all

Does anyone have subscription info (address, phone#, etc.) for
Tackle Test Magazine?
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing Report:  West Virginia
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:07:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.232457.13257@relay.nswc.navy.mil> rhott@relay.nswc.navy.mil (The VolleyDog - E41) writes:
||> 
||> One curious fish we ran into was refered to as a golden trout, but
||> looked more like a sucker.  A Fish and Wildlife warden said that WV
||> bred this hybrid, and were quite proud of this development.  He (the
||> warden) shook his head and said it was more like a bastard cross
||> between a trout and a carp.  Yuck.
||> 
|
|  As you mentioned, the area is proud of the golden trout.  I am not sure
|but I think Petersburg used to have a sign on entering that stated that it
|was the "home of the golden trout".
 
Whoa.  I seem to recall reading recently that the golden trout is originally
native only to the Kern river drainage area in the Sierras.  They have
since successfully be transplanted to various places around the country.  I
was reading a recent article in a fishing mag that told of some large
golden trout in some lakes in Wyoming.  I read of these 3-5# goldens in 
the article and could hardly imagine these beautiful fish that size.  At
the end of the article there was a picture of one of the fish they had caught
and it didn't look anything like any golden trout I'd ever seen.  The
Kern river golden, as well as golden trout in other parts of the sierras have
a golden underbody, a bright red stripe down the side (like a native rainbow)
and large olive blotches on the sides.  They are gorgeous. These Wyoming
goldens were *all* gold with only maybe a couple of small white spots.  I've
had goldfish the same color but I'd hardly call it a golden trout.

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