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From: ecm9093@aston.ac.uk (J.P.FLETCHER)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:50:20 GMT
Organization: Aston University


I support the idea of comp.graphics.gnuplot.  I would also like to see the 
existing info-gnuplot group continue, for the sake of people who do not have 
access to usenet, and the two gatewayed together.

John Fletcher
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Boring! (was the great soc.culture.tamil.debate
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:34:16 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia):
>A lot of people wanted that group (soc.culture.indian.american) to
>exist as well but it was brutally 'murdered'.

"We have one gilly.  Repeat: We have one gilly."
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: rec.bicycles reorganization passes
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:51:31 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <71177@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>[Les's announcement that the rec.bicycles reorg passed deleted]
>
>Anyone want to guess how long it takes before someone starts a thread
>on *unifying* all the rec.bicycle.* groups? 

About as long as it takes for the propogation of multiple cross
postings and their attendant "get off my group" flames to make people
realize they didn't reduce any traffic AT ALL.

>Or which subgroup the thread first appears on?

Hah!  That's easy.
rec.bicycles.mtb

>Eric House
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.transit
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:42:21 GMT

What to name this group?

Well, transit implies mass modes of transports - busses and such, and
so leaves out the cyclists and walkers.

Transportation is more general - too general.  For most people,
transportation means cars, and that's the idea this group is meant to
fight.

How about misc.auto-free?  (There was an "Auto-Free" conference in
Toronto recently.)  The car nuts will complain, but they have their
own groups to discuss their own issues.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
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From: mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU (purna)
Subject: Re: instrument-specific groups
Reply-To: mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:09:14 GMT

In article <Bt7pr0.3G7@uunet.uu.net>, rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
>Introduction: There are several newsgroups in the alt.* hierarchy which
>are utilized for the discussion of various musical instruments.  The traffic
>in these groups and the degree of participation from posters to the
>rec.music.* groups indicate that it might be time to consider shifting
>these groups to rec.music, and possibly to create another group or two
>at the same time.
>
>Proposal A: Create rec.music.guitar, and remove alt.guitar.
>Proposal B: Create rec.music.bass, and remove alt.guitar.bass.
>Proposal C: Create rec.music.drums.
>Proposal D: Created rec.music.tablature, rec.music.tablature.d and remove
>	alt.guitar.tab.
>
> [...stuff deleted, including descriptions for above...]

ALSO-----

In article <Bt7pq2.3EA@uunet.uu.net>,davidc@brahms.udel.edu (David Casper) writes:
>This is a Request For Discussion for "rec.music.classical.guitar"
>
> [...stuff, including charter, etc., deleted....]
>
>The only newsgroup that I have been able to subscribe to is
>"alt.guitar" which is dominated (if not entirely comprised of) by
>the electric guitar.  I love the sound of the electric guitar.  I
>love the sound of the classical guitar.  They ARE NOT the same,
>however.  This is why I feel that a separate newsgroup,
>"rec.music.classical.guitar", is needed.
>
> [...stuff deleted...]
>
>This discussion period will take place for one month from the
>posting date of this RFD...a CFV will follow.
>
> [...more stuff deleted...]

hi!

i think all of these ideas are good, but i feel they can be combined
into a better hierarchy.  perhaps something like:

rec.music.guitar
rec.music.guitar.bass
rec.music.guitar.classical
rec.music.guitar.tab

as far as rec.music.drums(??) goes, i guess it would have it's own
group.  also, as a guitarist, i see tablature as natural for guitar
"sheet" music, but not really for other instruments.  do other instrument
players besides guitarists use tab notation?  if so, maybe *.tab should
be put as rec.music.tab.

oh well, just my thoughts...

peace,
-purna
From: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:30:42 GMT
Reply-To: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix)
Organization: Code 1542, DTMB, Bethesda, MD

In news.groups, langer@aero.org (John V. Langer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.065935.28308@chinacat.unicom.com> chip@chinacat.unicom.co
>m (Chip Rosenthal) writes:
>>
>>Too bad you weren't serious, because `comp.apps.graphics.gnuplot' is
>>the correct name for the group.
>
>Comp.graphics.gnuplot would put that discussion where they are likely to find
>it.  Folks who want to read comp.graphics without fussing with all that gnuplot
>stuff don't need to read comp.graphics.gnuplot, since comp.graphics will still
>be there, essentially unchanged.
>

Lets pick a name and have a vote.  I personally like comp.graphics.gnuplot 
or gnu.gnuplot (in spite of gnuplot not being a FSF product). 

I retract my earlier comments about lack of traffic in the info-gnuplot 
mailing list.  It seems that I was deleted from the list in May.
(No wonder there didn't seem to be much traffic :))

Dane Hendrix                              | email: dane@wizard.dt.navy.mil 
DTMB (a.k.a. Headquarters, Carderock Div.,|  or hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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Code 1542, Bethesda, MD 20084-5000        | phone: (301)227-1340
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: several instrument-specific rec.music groups
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:11:38 GMT
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: {not speaking for the} University of Illinois at Urbana
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr (Heddy Boubaker) writes:

>  rec.music.sax         |
>  rec.music.trumpet     | rec.music.wind-instruments
>  rec.music.flute       |
>  rec.music...          |

>  rec.music.drums       |
>  rec.music.percussions | rec.music.rythm-instruments
>  rec.music.maracas :-) |
>  rec.music.triangle:-) |
>  rec.music...          |

>  rec.music.keyboard.piano
>  rec.music.keyboard.synth

>  rec.music.violin

Perhaps, there should be winds, strings, and keyboard in addition
to guitar.*, but there isn't traffic to justify these.  Whatever is
done, they should probably be consolidated into a new hierarchy --
rec.music.instument.* -- or under rec.music.makers.
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  I speak for myself, and not for the State or University of Illinois.
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL: changing a moderator
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:59:42 EST
Followup-To: news.admin.policy
 <1992Aug14.010225.17558@ennews.eas.asu.edu> <JIK.92Aug13214909@pit-manager.mit.edu> <1127@zogwarg.etl.army.mil>
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1127@zogwarg.etl.army.mil>, hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey) writes:

	(news.admin.policy was the followup, be we don't get it yet)

> jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
> 
>>Those of you who haven't been following the discussion in news.groups
>>should know that daemon@desire.wright.edu is very strongly on one
>>side....  I am on the other side of the debate, and I therefore chose
>>to add these two questions to my response to his poll:
> 
> As long as we're adding questions to the poll, well, I had a hard time
> responding to the poll at all, since most of the questions seemed to
> be aimed at finding out whether I had stopped beating my wife, and why
> not.  So here are a couple more questions I found it useful to answer
> on my ballot.
> 
> [vote]   Kottman chose an obviously biased set of questions to ask.

	No.

> 
> [vote]   Bias in the questions renders the results of this poll meaningless.

	Define "bias". :)

	So far about 50 people haven't had any problems with answering.

Brett                                                      
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From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: rec.bicycles reorganization passes
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:28:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.044251.9828@uunet.uu.net>, les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
> All of the six new unmoderated newsgroups proposed to replace
> rec.bicycles were approved by margins of at least 403 to 124, which
> amply meets the established criteria.  I have not bothered to count
> the votes separately for each newsgroup because the approval rate was
[deleted text]
> 
> The basis of the numeric results given above is as follows.
> Votes were collected in three mailboxes, with the following results:
> 403  all-yes (those voting in favor of all six proposals),
>  80  all-no (those voting against all six proposals), and
>  44  mixed (those voting for or against individual proposals).
> 
> Thus if we treat the "mixed" votes as being "all-no," the margin of
> approval for all newsgroups is at least 403 to 124.  (In fact, a
> number of the "mixed" votes are mixtures of "yes" and "abstain" with
> no "no" votes, so the margins of approval are actually higher than the
> numbers given.)

I object to this...this was not one proposal but six different proposals. It is
the responsibility of the vote gather to report ALL results. Mr. Ernest does
not have the right to assume all mixed votes are either yes or no. I consider 
this to be a violation of the guidelines and since results were rejected for
less, I would ask the the results of each vote be published as required by the
guideline or the vote be invalidated.







-- 
Richard H. Miller                 Email: rick@bcm.tmc.edu
Asst. Dir. for Technical Support  Voice: (713)798-3532
Baylor College of Medicine        US Mail: One Baylor Plaza, 302H
                                           Houston, Texas 77030
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From: dseal@armltd.co.uk (David Seal)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Un-moderating a newsgroup? (NOT rec.arts.erotica)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:46:13 GMT
Distribution: news
Organization: A.R.M. Ltd, Swaffham Bulbeck, Cambs, UK

In article <1992Aug12.171844.22993@leland.Stanford.EDU>
jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:

>	There's been some (not a lot, but some) talk on rec.food.cooking 
>about the possibility of changing rec.food.recipes from a moderated to an
>unmoderated newsgroup.  The main reason for this is that the current 
>moderator (for legitimate reasons--  she has been hospitalized) has not posted
>anything in the past few months.  Rather than "replacing" the moderator,
>some people have proposed changing the group to an unmoderated format.
>
>	What would need to be done officially in order to effect this change
>or to see whether or not a large number of people thought it was a good idea?
>Is there a document somewhere that describes this process in detail?  If not,
>could someone please tell me just would need to be done.  

Probably the easiest way of dealing with this situation is to find a
volunteer moderator and get the current moderator to appoint them as a
temporary replacement, assuming she is in a fit state to do so. I have
certainly seen moderators do similar things when they go on holiday, etc.,
so there is some precedent for this. Its big advantage is that it doesn't
seem to require a vote: it can go through as fast as you can arrange it.

If she isn't in a fit state, I'd suggest finding a volunteer and getting
some sort of voted approval for them to act as temporary moderator until the
real moderator returns. I suspect strongly that a vote for such a temporary
replacement would be allowed, provided it is made clear that the replacement
will stand down when asked to by the original moderator: all the arguments
I've heard against replacing moderators without their permission wouldn't
apply in this case.

The only other bit of advice I can give is that it is probably worth getting
Tale's and/or Spaf's approval for whatever course of action you want to take
before you actually start the process.

David Seal
dseal@armltd.co.uk

All opinions are mine only...
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From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: RFD: several instrument-specific rec.music groups
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:18:16 GMT

>Or, rec.music.percussion (just a thought).

I agree with this.

What about adding a "rec.music.piano", for us piano players out there?

-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

  "Every extreme attitude is a flight from the self."  -- Eric Hoffer.
From: gwh@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George William Herbert)
Subject: Straw Poll on rec.arts.erotica moderatorship
Followup-To: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu
Summary: respond pls.
Reply-To: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu
Organization: Dis-
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:01:33 GMT

Quick summary:
	There has been a lot of debate recently about the moderator
of rec.arts.erotica.  Many people are posting that they are upset
at the lack of moderator response and lack of postings.

	Basically, the purpose of this poll is to determine how
many people feel that way, so we can determine if there's a good
reason to take action or not.

	Please email me [gwh@soda.berkeley.edu] your response 
to the following question:
	["r"esponding to this article may not work right; I'm posting
	this from MIT due to a network outage in Berkeley... please
	make sure that all reples go to gwh@soda.berkeley.edu 8-) ]

---
	Please rate the performance of the moderator of rec.arts.erotica on
the following scale:
1 Excellent
2 Good
3 Fair
4 Poor
5 Unacceptable
---

	Additional comments are welcome.  Please, however, one one line
just indicate a response like:

I feel he's an excellent moderator
	or
Rating: 5
						
	or some other unambiguous response.  I.e. one of the words or numbers
I used, so that I don't have to estimate how "Way Cool" fits on a 1-5 scale 8-)

Thank you for your responses.  Anyone wishing to redistribute
this article to more newsgroups or mailing lists (Only as appropriate to
the issue, but any that are...) may do so.


-george william herbert
gwh@soda.berkeley.edu  gwh@lurnix.com  herbert@uchu.isu92.ac.jp until 28 aug

PLEASE email all responses to gwh@soda.berkeley.edu, not post them
on Usenet or send them to another account of mine (like the one that
this was posted from...).
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: changing a newsgroup's moderator
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:28:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug15.043931.6780@unlinfo.unl.edu> gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:
>payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
>
>>>Indeed.  But as I've pointed out elsewhere, at least twice now :-),
>>>changing a newsgroup from unmoderated to moderated, which does not
>>>involve stepping on anyone's toes or forcing anyone to defend
>>>themselves, is quite a different situation from changing the moderator
>>>of a newsgroup without his consent.
>
>>The moderator -became- moderator only through consent of the netgroup's
>>readers. Does the moderator become a dictator after that? BTW, I voted
>>against the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2. If it passes, will 
>>Jawaid be moderator for life?
>
>Current thinking allows a moderator to choose his successor, but I agree
>that the public should have some say about a change/removal of a
>moderator.  This from a person who is also up for moderation of
>comp.binaries.apple2.

Say what? I am in no way involved with the push to moderate 
comp.binaries.apple2, except that I have been quite vocal (or it's text
equivalant) against the proposition. I voted "no", easily verifiable
when the CFV ends. I think you must have me confused with someone
else.

>>>The former affects only the readers of the newsgroup.  The latter
>>>affects both the readers of the newsgroup AND the current moderator,
>>>and therefore, the current moderator must have a special place in the
>>>process.
>
>>If the moderator were King, I would not question. Is not the moderator
>>an elected position sensitive to the needs of the readership?
>
>"Simon Bar Sinister for Dictator!"  (If I got the spelling wrong, I'm
>sure someten will tell me.)

<chuckle>
 
>>Rich
>>payner@netcom.com
>
>-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)

Rich again
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: changing a newsgroup's moderator
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:55:21 GMT

In article <0105011F.b2u8vq@dragon.enigami.mv.com> cory@enigami.mv.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug12.144005.5291@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> (news.groups), huggins@dss1.austin.ibm.com (Jim Huggins         (8-8305)) writes:
>>Ok.  Let's try proposing a specific set of new rules to handle what
>>for lack of a better term I'll call a "hostile takeover" of a 
>>moderated newsgroup.  I always find it much easier to criticize
>>a specific proposal rather than some vague, ethereal idea.
>
>>1) Person interested in assuming new moderator duties contacts
>>   old moderator and inquires about becoming the new moderator.
>
>What if the person who is bringing up the problem does not want (for
>whatever reason) to become the new moderator?  Not, that I think that
>this is necessarily a problem -- if they feel strongly enough about
>it threy probably should be willing to put their time/effort where
>their mouth is.

	What if they are willing but simply don't have the time?  Let's
suppose, for instance, that we are dealing with a moderated newsgroup on which
nothing has been posted for several months, although relevant submissions have
ben made. (This is actually based on the problems that have existed in rec.
food.recipes as well as rec.arts.erotica.)  Let's also suppose that I, as
one of many dissatisfied readers of this group, have also thought quite a bit
about taking on the job of moderator, but after careful reflection on the 
amount of time that I could devote it, I decided that I would be unable to
devote enough time to ensure that the group was moderated properly. I might
be able to devote more time to it than the old moderator, but not enough to 
get the job done well.  Since my main concern is with making sure the group 
has a moderater who _can_ afford to moderate the group properly, it would 
stupid and irresponsible of me to volunteer to become the new moderator. But 
it would be ridiculous for me to mute my dissatisfaction because I don't 
think I could do the job myself.  

	Perhaps the first part of this tentative proposal should instead be
to send a letter to the moderator explaining why people are unsatisfied with
the moderator's performance.  In this letter, one could also suggest things
that the moderator might do to ameliorate the situation.  Depending on the
reasons for this dissatisfaction, these suggestions would be very different.
In the case of a moderator who has posted nothing over the past five months,
the suggestion might simply be:  "If you will be unable to devote more time
to moderating xxx.xxxxx.xxxxxxxx in the near future, would you please think
about turning the job over to someone who could." 

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
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From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: guidelines for moderator replacement
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<JAAPJL.92Aug13152129@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:10:49 GMT

jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap) writes:

   cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf) writes:

      Protecting the poor moderator from adverse oppinion, at the expense
      of free speach, is just not worth it.

   Free speach, as well as free speech, is preserved.

Please add a smiley to the above.  :-)
--
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: It's time to clean up the hierarchy, i.e. RFD on mass rmgrping
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:02:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.160239.19881@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> huggins@dss1.austin.ibm.com (Jim Huggins         (8-8305)) writes:
>That's not really an option.  Some systems (like the one I use at
>Michigan) will check every now and then to see if there are new groups
>that have arrived that aren't in your .newsrc.  Taking them out
>of my .newsrc means that I'd be pestered with messages for the rest
>of my life asking if I wanted to add the group back into my .newsrc.

Then your news ssytem isn't configured right, or you're using it wrong,
or someone's broken it, or you're using a poor imitation of trn.

trn, at least, never seems to get these wrong.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032