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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:05:57 GMT

In article <dbU703SF46wC00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
> 
> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
> 
> }Here's another one, try and draw a map on
> }a Mac/Windows machine.
> 
> Ok, now let's try to draw a map on a Newton.  Here, I'll sketch a quick
> outline of the United States and . . . hey, this stupid thing thought I
> was trying to draw a rectangle!  Now instead of a scribbled outline of
> the country, I've got this nicely perfect -- and perfectly useless --
> rectangle.
>  
> Seriously, I don't remember reading in any of the reviews of this thing
> whether the user can turn off the "helpful" feature that makes it turn
> your rough drawings into perfect shapes.  Sometimes you want your scribbles
> to remain scribbles.

You either read the wrong article, or you missed it.  Yes, you can turn it off
completely, so that when you draw a scribble, it remains a scribble, even if
the scribble is your signature.

> }Quick question: Why force the world to become typists, when they already know
> }how to write?
> 
> I'm surprised that the main focus of this thread seems to have become one
> of keyboards VERSUS pen-based.  Why do so many people seem to look at this
> as an either/or proposition?  Have we all gotten so attached to the idea
> of computers as general purpose machines that we can no longer even 
> conceive of types of computers that are more narrowly focused in their
> usefulness?  

I agree with you completely.  I've decided not to get a PowerBook (or any
other kind of notebook computer), and to wait for the Newton instead because
I can see much more use *for me* for the Newton technology than for a portable
computer.  There is very little that I do, or want to do, that would need or
be helped by a computer, while I'm away from my desks.  However, there is a
lot that I do that a Newton would be very useful for.

> Pen-based computers are better suited to certain tasks and certain types 
> of people than keyboard computers, and vice versa.  Even if Newton turns
> out to be as perfect at handwriting recognition as anyone could dream,
> keyboards will be around for a long time.  Myself, I type much faster
> than I write; the best handwriting recognition software in the world isn't
> going to make me want to give up my keyboard.  I will likely eventually
> find myself using a Newton IN ADDITION to a "normal" Mac, for situations
> and purposes for which a keyboard is not appropriate.
> 
> If someone else doesn't know how to type and doesn't want to learn, it
> will certainly be nice when he is not forced to use a keyboard in order
> to use a computer.
> 
> Let's hear it for choice and stop talking in terms of "forcing" anyone
> to do anything, ok?

Absolutely.  I doubt that Apple looks at the Newton as competition for the
Macintosh; why are so many people here looking at it that way.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13613 alt.config:4820
From: rsnyder@hannibal.atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:42:05 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs, Moorestown, NJ

>>>>> In article <1992Jul22.160045.3230@cc.gatech.edu>,
>>>>> byrne@cc.gatech.edu (Michael Byrne) writes:

Michael> Don't call it "alt" anything--some sites can't get alt groups,
Michael> and it certainly is a "comp" subject.  How about comp.sys.newton?

Or even better, how about waiting until it gets released?

Bob
--
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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Is StuffIt Deluxe 3.0 available now?
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:32:32 GMT

In article <67830007@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>, rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry) writes:
> 
> >	At MacWorld Boston (Aug. 3) we will be releasing StuffIt Deluxe 3.0,
> >which includes StuffIt SpaceSaver (our new transparent compressor) at which
> >time we will also be rasing the price to $125.00 (mail order about 70-80).
> >
> >	If you purcahse StuffIt Deluxe 2.0 between now and then (or anytime
> >since last August) you will be entitled to a free software upgrade (+ some
> >shipping & handling).
> 
> What about an upgrade for existing SD 2.0 owners?
> 
> Can we buy SD 3.0 w/o SpaceSaver?  I don't need or want SpaceSaver since I'm
> a very happy AutoDoubler/DiskDoubler/Sigma-Hardware user.  I assume we can
> get SD 3.0 w/o paying for SpaceSaver?????

>From what I understand, you get Space Saver for free; they will later on sell
Stuffit Deluxe 3.0 without SpaceSaver for the same price.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14071 comp.sys.mac.wanted:7047
From: ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: LISA: antique or outdated (What's it worth?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:00:35 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <wkrause.712391082@kaa> wkrause@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Wolfgang Krause) writes:
>A friend of mine is planning on buying an old LISA system 

>Also, how difficult could it be to aquire such a system from a different
>source in the US or anywhere else (** anybody selling?? $.-) **) ?

Sun Remarketing [PO Box 4059, Logan, UT 84321 (800) 821-3221] sells Lisas
and various versions of the Mac XL, which was an upgraded Lisa.  With 1 MB RAM,
a 400K floppy and 10MB hard disk it goes for $495.  With only an 800K floppy
it goes for $345.  With SCSI and a 20MB disk it's $595.

Note that Sun's prices on used Macs usually run a little high, so you
might find a cheaper Lisa from a private source, though it wouldn't have
a warranty (someone just sold one for $200 here I think).  Sun also
has upgrades and software.

[I've never bought a Lisa from them, so take with all with a small grain
of salt.  I have bought some 400K drives from them though and was very
pleased.]

.............................................................................
....Boyd Ostroff / Technical Director / SUNY Oswego Department of Theatre....
...............Voice: (315) 341-2987 /  Fax: (315) 341-3394..................
..............ostroff@oswego.oswego.edu / ostroff@cboard.UUCP................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: wismer@iauf3.unifr.ch (Wismer Daniel  Uni Fribourg)
Subject: Trip to Chicago
Organization: University of Fribourg - CH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:39:36 GMT


Hello netters,

I intend to visit the MacWorld Expo in Boston and then to see a friend
who has just finished his studies in Chicago.
I would love to take lunch once in mid-August with someone on the net
living and/or working in the Chicago area.
Don't be afraid, my friend already took the job as a tourist guide, but 
a few tips on places for computers, software and bookstores would still 
be appreciated.
Please answer soon, as I will leave my machine on Wednesday.

Dan Wismer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:21:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Jul24.143921.19730@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:

>The reason I ask people like you to post what they have is to see if you
>are espousing that the macs are worth the extra cost when they haven't
>actually bought a mac for themselves.  It doesn't sound right to me when
>people say how much the mac is worth the extra money when their company
>was the one who had to put out the dough.  

What Mac and what extra dough?  Before we decided to get PCs here, I wrote
up a proposal for Macs to do the same job, so I know what the relative
costs are.  The PCs ended up costing a lot more because there's no such
thing as a standard for large-screen monochrome monitors on a PC.  We
needed two-page monitors, and the nonstandard monochrome monitors that 
were available wouldn't work with our software, so we ended up having
to get much more expensive color monitors instead.  The fabled cost
advantage of the PC went up in smoke right there.


>Also it would show that those people who have bought mac systems 
>comparable to the 386 systems I have described have a much bigger 
>wallet than the average person and that cost may not be a priority 
>to them.  

Unfortunately, you keep insisting that the Mac that is "comparable
to a 386" is the IIsi, or even the IIcx.  It's not.  For graphics
(that is, windowing) performance, the machine that compares most
closely to your 386 is probably the LC. You insist on comparing
hardware specs (this is a 32-bit processor, that's a 32-bit processor;
this is 20-Mhz, that's 20-MHz) instead of actual software performance.

>And again I'll restate the point of my posts is that macs cost 
>too much.  The 2 to 3 times the cost to a corresponding PC system 

Not only are your "corresponding PC systems" not equivalent,
but the cost differential is often negative.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Barry Thomas <thomasb@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: mac calendar -> handheld
Organization: Indiana University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:52:32 GMT

I posted the following to both the palmtop and handheld groups, but no
replies.  I hope someone has what I need -

Just received the following note from my boss:

"Also, (her boss) talked with me about his desire to have a 
better way to update his schedule using
technology.  His goal would be to have a pocket size electronic
calendar."

I know _NOTHING_ about pocket devices and what is possible.  We are a Mac
shop, using Now-Up-To-Date calendar software.  This guy has a person who
does nothing but handle his calendar, so we need some sort of interface. 
I would really appreciate any ideas/thoughts/suggestions this group might
have.

Thanks in advance,

Barry Thomas
thomasb@ucs.indiana.edu
Indiana University

Opinions expressed our my own and do not represent the University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: thorn@phoenix.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn)
Subject: APPLELINK ?
Organization: Radiation Oncology, NCMH/UNC, Chapel Hill, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:10:44 GMT


Is it possible to send e-mail to an AppleLink address from a machine
on the Internet? If so, how do you do it - how do I format the send-to
address? 

Many Thanks,
Jesse
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Keywords: Newton
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:54:53 GMT

cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
>There has been a lot of discussion of late about Newton the pen based PDA
>that Apple will be introducing soon. Yet since this is not a Macintosh, and
>will not be using the MacOS it really doesn't seem to belong in
>comp.sys.mac.misc. Therefore, I propose the group alt.apple.newton ...

No:  alt.os.newton or alt.sys.newton, please.

Make it clear that you're talking about a computing device; a name
like "alt.apple.newton" will get you smart remarks about gravity,
apple trees, and just what ol' Isaac was _doing_ in that orchard --
and creates an unnecessary "alt.apple.*" hierarchy to boot.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MacUser, Z-Mac, downloads and "Zmac Exclusive"s
Date: 27 Jul 1992 10:03:07 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <2A7379BD.9970@noiro.acs.uci.edu> eahg064@orion.oac.uci.edu (Kathleen Hostetter) writes:

>Does this mean that I can join ZMac, dload this utility for free, and then
>never see nor hear from ZMac/C$erve again? What's the deal here?

There is no "per minute" connect charge.  However, there is a "per month" fee.
-- 
  Gerald A. Edgar                Internet:  edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu
  Department of Mathematics      Bitnet:    EDGAR@OHSTPY
  The Ohio State University      telephone: 614-292-0395 (Office)
  Columbus, OH 43210             -292-4975 (Math. Dept.) -292-1479 (Dept. Fax)
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

}The 140 is more solid physically, the bigger screen size is nice, the trackball
}is better mechanically, it has two serial ports and Colour QD support. What it
}also has is the bl**dy serial port hardware bug which doesn't seem to affect
}the '100.

"Bigger screen size"?  Compared to the PB100?  I don't think that's correct;
the 100 and the 140 have exactly the same screen; same size, same everything.

Gotta agree about the trackball, though.  I love my 100, but the trackball
is pretty wimpy.

--James Preston
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13701 alt.config:4861 comp.sys.apple2:17832 comp.sys.handhelds:1723 comp.sys.pen:477 news.config:351
From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,news.config
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.sys.newton(was RFD: alt.apple.newton)
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:28:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul23.192824.14109
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <cline.711902753@willow.cs.scarolina.edu> cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
>alt.sys.newton  would seem to be the best place to put such a group.
>
>The main reason I am in favor of an alt instead of a comp group is that it
>is not certain that Newton will be the final name given to it, in fact it's
>probably just an internal project name, much as the Saratoga I'm typing this
>on was. 

Newton is *not* a code name, it is THE real name.  The first PDA
itself may not be named Newton, but Newton is the name of the
technology and Newton is the name of the operating system.  And these
are the things most people are talking about.

I comp.sys.pda is a good start, but every company is going to refer to
their products as PDAs as well, or least the users will.  I think
comp.sys.newton is the most appropriate since that's the place to talk
about the Newton operating system and the various Newton products from
Apple, Sharp, Toshiba and (eventually) others.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.EDU
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138
From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:18:03 GMT
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <14878@claris.com>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) says:
>
>In article <920541.2A74E391@cmhgate.fidonet.org>,
>Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
>>
>> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>>
>> > deal. At home nobody pays me but I have to pay the computer. So for me the>
>> 386 is the better deal. Were is the problem?
>> MS>  IOW, your time is valuable to your boss, but not worth much
>> MS> to you, right?
>>
>> I think he means that he doesn't mind doing the work necessary to get a 386
>> box running, much in the same way that many people don't mind grabbing a
>> wrench and fixing up the family car, or fixing their own plumbing or
>> electrical problems, etc., etc.  Whereas the boss would just call in an
>> electrician (or other specialist), the guy at home generally rolls his own,
>> usually for lack of hard cash to do it otherwise.
>
>Your analogy breaks down, Adam; with the Mac, the boss doesn't have to call
>in an specialist--except in very unusual circumstances.

The innermost reference is one of my posts and Adams explanation of what I
meant is absolutely correct (and in better english :-)).
Granted the boss probably doesn`t need to call in the specialist, but he has
to pay him at the apple dealer`s counter.

Michael Bode.
From: kc@netcom.com (Dameon D. Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Telecommunications SOFTWARE
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:49:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.4xkm3ad.kc
Organization: Wayne's World, Inc -- NOT!

In article <26JUL92.06424473@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu> galeana@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu writes:
>I'm looking for a shareware or freeware comm program to do Ymodem, Xmodem, and
>Kermit.  Zterm only supports Ymodem and Xmodem.  I know there are commercial
>programs that will do all three and more but i don't think i want to spend that
>big money.

Not sure which version you have, but 0.90 supports ZModem and, as far
as I know, always has. It's a nice little program and you ought to give
it a second look.

Termulator is also supposed to be good, but I don't like it. 

-- 
   Dameon Welch      Santa Clara University Design Center      kc@netcom.com
                    Help, I'm trapped in a .signature file
From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:21:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul24.131236.4307@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:
>You have never rebuilt your desktop in system 7 so you don't know
>what you are talking about.  As far as I know, there is no modifier
>key you can hold down in System 7 to rebuild the desktop.  I received
>an extension from someone which allows me to automatically delete
>the desktop FILE on startup.  Since you have never rebuilt a desktop
>file, you do not know how long it takes.  I have 75MB of stuff, and
>it definitely takes a very long time for it to finish.  If you really
>want it, I'll even time it for you.

There is a modifier key, namely Command-Option, which will ask you if
you want to rebuild the desktop.  If you look at the "Finder
Shortcuts" menu item it describes this on page 5.  I guess this is a
case of "RTFM" where "M" is the menu.  :-)  I occasionally rebuild my
desktop and it takes under two minutes for about 80 MB.  I use a
freeware extension that automatically saves all my "Finder Comments".
Most of the time I rebuild the desktop is because of an updated
application that has new icons which I want to have visible.

I've been using System 7 for a year and haven't had to re-install it.
It's been very stable for me.

Chuck
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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: SAM T4 virus defs file difficulties
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:00:03 +1200
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9207212122.AA05643@norton.norton.com>, marvin@norton.norton.com (Marvin Carlberg) writes:

> Once again, please keep in mind that protection for all currently known
> Macintosh viruses, including the T4 strains, is still very complete even if
> you are having these difficulties.

Love that term "very complete". Sounds so much like "very compatible" or
"very standard"!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Anybody know about the Apple II preservation project on GEnie?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am looking for information about the apple II software preservation
project which was announced in one of the clari. newsgroups.  It did
not give any information on who to contact to get software included.

ALso, any information on who to transfer software from apple II to mac
(not port, just physically transfer) would be appreciated.  I have one
old program which I thought was very good that I would like to have included.

______________________________________________________________________________
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______________________________________________________________________________
For information on the Underground Phont Archive, drop me a note via email
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13517 comp.sys.novell:5896
From: edm@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ed Maioriello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.novell
Subject: 5250 Terminal emulation for a Mac
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:08:55 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Does anyone know of any 5250 terminal emulation packages, either shareware or
commercial, for the Macintosh.  Specifically, I need to make the Macs talk to
an AS400, via Token Ring.  Probably not important, but there will be a Novell
3.11 fileserver and DOS workstations as well on the LAN.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Ed Maioriello		       		            edm @ athena.cs.uga.edu
University Computing & Networking Services   	    edm @ aisun1.ai.uga.edu
University of Georgia  ----------------------------------------------------
Athens, Ga. 30602      | Time is nature's way of keeping everything from
(706)-542-6462         | 	       happening at once.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: martin@DMI.USherb.CA (Jean-francois Martin)
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Reply-To: martin@DMI.USherb.CA
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. De Mathematiques et D'Informatique
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:52:47 GMT


I think Apple have a chance because they don't call the Newton a COMPUTER.
That's a big difference because non techie people dislike computers. Finally,
the fact that Newton is made for a vertical market (very well defined), it add
up to the chance that Apple will succeed with the Newton.

Just my opinion

JF Martin

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: tiger@vipunen.hut.fi (Karl R. Tigerstedt)
Subject: Re: CRC vs. Checksum
Reply-To: tiger@vipunen.hut.fi (Karl R. Tigerstedt)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:55:36 GMT

In article <9414.2A6FC102@psycho.fidonet.org> Jim.Kauffman@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Kauffman) writes:
>Does anyone know the relative merits of checksum vs. CRC for detecting 
>error(s) in a block of data? I would like to calculate the probability of 

   Checksumming usually means using a 8bit counter for addition. Bytes are
received and their value is added to the 8bit counter which overflows over and
over, when FFh is reached. This method is ok, as long as not two (or several)
bytes in the data stream change value. Example:

  data bytes       changed value (corrupt data)
 
  1Ah	           1Bh
  82h              81h
---------------------------------
  9Ch              9Ch      (= checksum)


   CRC checking usually implements checksumming as well as a combination
of left and right bitshifting (rotation) of the received data. This method
would therefore detect the error example above.
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