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From: cls@chas.cadence.com (Charlie Seddon)
Subject: Re: Know of any motorcycles movies?
Originator: cls@chas
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:09:33 GMT


In article <12JAN199323011093@erich.triumf.ca>, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
|> In article <104506@netnews.upenn.edu>, ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) writes...
|> >I'd like to compile a list of motorcycle movies or movies with good or
|> >significant motorcycle action in them.  Then I'd like to add the list
|> >to the FAQ if possible.

Stone Cold  -(I think) - starts Brian Bosworth - Lots of Harley riding, blood
    and guts action movie.

also that second Eddie Murphy/Nick Nolte movie ( I forget the name ) had some
amazing feats performed on some Harleys.

an R100LT had a bit part in the move Weird Science with Val Kilmer playing
a physics wunderkind.

a K100RS had a small part in the Dragnet move with Dan Aykroyd and Tom Hanks

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From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:43:04 GMT

In article <11277@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@East.Sun.COM) wrote:
><parts deleted for brevity>

>  Not only does the name change, but the Northern most part (Skyline
>Drive) is a toll road.  If you are driving North on the Parkway either
>get off at I-64 near Waynesboro or be ready to pay toll. 
> 

To my experience, there's a difference in the Skyline drive part worth 
noting.  Skyline drive seems to be much more isolated from signs of 
civilization, there is a mile or two of intentionally undeveloped parkland
on each side of the Skyline Drive.  The Blue Ridge Parkway does also run right
along the crest of the ridges, but it doesn't have the wilderness on both
sides of it.  There are parts of the Blue Ridge where farm fields back right
up to the Parkway on both sides.  One consequence, is I usually see *MANY*
more deer on the Skyline Drive part.  Depends on what you are looking for,
both parts are real neat and worth riding!

Another note, there are a couple of wilderness lodges on the Skyline Drive,
that take reservations.  They are also open a few weekends in the winter,
which is really different - I've stayed at them in the winter, and I
recommend it if you are looking for a neat get-a-way!


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
                BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
             Columbus, Ohio USA   (used to live in Virginia)
From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ATTENTION: 1000 question Squid Purity Test
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:39:46 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.



   At the instigation of the PNW DoD, I have taken on the task of
compiling an _official_ DoD Squid Purity Test(tm) (1000 questions).  
 
   What I need from all of you is good creative input on questions to
be included in the test. 

   Please send questions to me at:

		  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com



   The Squid Purity Test(tm) will be of the same format as the original 
1000 question purity test.  There will be sections containing both multiple
choice and non-multiple choice questions.  Total scoring system yet to be
determined.

   All obvious duplicates will be screened out.  Of course, with a target of
1000 questions, many will be related.
   
   I won't be advising people when they have sent me questions or duplicates
of those I've already got.  It'd take too much time to reply to all and I want
to keep all those creative brainstorming juices flowing out there.  It'll be
safe to assume that if your message didn't bounce then I got it.  All 
contributors will be mentioned at the end of the test.

   To judge the progress of this test, keep track of the "SPT question"
counter in my .sig

   So OK guys and gals, start stuffing my mailbox with those questions!


===============================================================================
|Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530    KotTG      WMTC    AMA  |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 5.00 and climbing... | 
|'86 VF500F - Phoenix                  | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |

    SPT question count: 10 
     
    "There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me
From: arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Whole lotta shakin' ...
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:02:19 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>In article <arturo.728013241@infmx>, arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega)
>wrote:
>> 
>> [description of wobble in curve/rain grooves omitted]

>> 2. What might be the possible causes? Is it possible that asymmetrical
>>    fluid levels in the fork tubes could lead to this behavior? 

>I doubt it, but that's a good question.  A recent article on a hot BMW
>boxer has a mention of the expert intentionally putting different weights
>of oil in each tube in order to tune the rebound and dampening!

Yeah, I seem to remember reading this in one of the recent moto.squid
magazines also; OTOH, I also seem to remember the manual for the bike
stating rather emphatically that the levels need to be identical (I took
this to imply that the weights must also be so ...)

If I remember I'll look these up when I get home.

Art
arturo@informix.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Toys
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:18:36 GMT

Ken Konecki writes
> Whilst playing with a Hot Wheels motorcycle that Santa Claus
> brought to our 21 month old son, I got to reminiscing about some
> of the motorcycle toys I played with as a youth.  I have two
> remembrances:
>  <<goodies deleted>>
> Any else remember fun toys from their youth?

How 'bout those plastic whining gizmos from Wham-O that you could put on your  
stingray bicycle and make motorcycle-like sounds from?  EVERY kid on my street  
had to have one to join the "'sicle gang".
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,aus.motorcycles
From: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: Kiwi Cruising
Reply-To: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:33:48 GMT


In article 1@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au, pittam@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au () writes:
>Fellow netbikers
>
>A colleague of mine has been so inspired by the Two Wheels story on biking hols
>in NZ that he is thinking about giving it a try.  He doesn't have easy access
>to the Net so I offered to post this for him.
>
>Has anybody got any hints and tips, prices, contacts etc.  What time of year is
>best for riding in NZ?  Should he take his own bike (ZZR-600) or hire one?  For
>bike hire, what options are available (a lot seem to offer BMW - he would like
>something a little sportier).
>
>I am posting this to AUS.MOTORCYCLES and will cross-post to REC.MOTORCYCLES -
>replies either to the Net or by email to servanis@mrl.dsto.gov.au please.
>
>On behalf of George Servanis . . .
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                       Adrian Pitt - Systems Administrator


Best time of year?  Probably the next couple of months.  Feb/March seem
to be getting the best weather now, but it never gets really bad.

Tips?  I can't imagine it's that much different to Oz, but probably he
should realize that 1000k is a hell of a long ride in NZ.  We don't have
many big long roads - most of them are fairly twisty - with a lot of
really twisty ones!  The cops are also on the lookout now, but fairly rare
outside of main centers.

I don't know much about hiring, but see if he can get hold of a Kiwi Rider
there or when he arrives - they should have some ads for bike hire.

A great deal of NZ is farming land, so if going for a cane along some back-roads,
be ready for livestock on the road.  On my Xmas tour I came across a mob of sheep,
5 cattle, 3 horses and various lambs in one day.

The condition of roads is generally very good.  Be aware that on AA maps not all
unsealed roads are marked as such.  If going off the main highways it could pay to
check.  Unfavouritest sign ever - "120km unsealed road before Murupara" (next town).

The roads around the coast to East Cape are really good, usually empty apart from
the odd kid on a horse.  Folk around there wave at you!  Wave back.

Petrol costs from 99c to about $1.05 a litre (for super), unleaded is about 98c.

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp   TSSC New Zealand Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60           1940 Indian 741B       

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:19:03 GMT

In article <4595@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
|
|	The Kawasaki Co. Inc. 

Geez, Tod, get it right!  "Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Ltd."  

|Japanese bikes are made up of plastic, tape, styrofoam, paper,
|and cheese by products. 

Cheese by-products?  You mean like those tractor-tank things made up
there in the cheese state?  Hmm, I guess those folks over the pacific 
have learned a thing or two from the Motor Company, eh?


(You know, I find it interesting that the Hardiots wanted their own
newsgroup because the dickheads over here were offending their delicate
sensibilities with wisecracks about their faithful rides.  Does that
mean that we Kawasaki riders now deserve a newsgroup?)

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jfriedl@TUBBY.MACH.CS.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl)
Subject: Re: Backed into
Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon / Omron Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:19:52 GMT

molenda@i9.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:
|> The first time I crashed my CB750F this summer....
|> Luckily, I crashed a month or so later and ....

This brings up The Question ....  (drum roll).....

	``So, why do you crash so much?''

(-:

DoD##4  Honda CBR250R Hurricane
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey Eric Francis Friedl   jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu -or- jfriedl@omron.co.jp
Omron Corporation, Section RZC, Shimokaiinji, Nagaokakyo Kyoto 617, Japan
Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon University
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From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kiwi Cruising
Date: 29 Jan 93 13:00:00 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <C1A0pK.ByC@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>, dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Flash) writes:
>>In article 1@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au, pittam@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au () writes:
>>>Has anybody got any hints and tips, prices, contacts etc.  What time of year is
>>>best for riding in NZ?  
> 
 
> Go to NZ on a bike.  It is almost as fine as Northern Italy.  The difference 
> being that you can eat a LOT better in Italy.  But the roads are much less 
> crowded (abandoned?) on the South Island of New Zealand.
> ==============================================================================
> "Far away is far away only if you don't go there." - O Povo, Fortaleza, Brazil
>     		Flash	  -   dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu   -   DoD # 412 

  Do not come to New Zealand on a motorcycle!! The roads are crowded enough as
it is. Seriously though, Flash is correct, the riding over here is superb and
the roads are empty (comparatively). The road surfaces leave something to be
desired at times but the lack of traffic and the propensity for fast sweeping
bends sure makes up for that. 
  I have just recently returned from the premiere summer rally in New Zealand
which is held near Queenstown, a resort town in the South Island Lakes
District. The Remarkables Motorcycle Rally now attracts almost 3000 to a
beautiful lakeside camping area with live entertainment, tattoo tents, wet
T-shirt competitions, burnouts and all those other groovy thing that you bikers
just love to do and see!! I just took a bottle of single malt and smoked OP's
for a great weekend away from the household chaos. 
  Most rallies in New Zealand cater for all types of bikes and riders and they
are great places for spotting those bikes that you just don't see anywhere
else. Some lucky dude was mounted on a Moto Guzzi Daytona (the one with the 8
valve head) that was only on it 2nd or 3rd tank of gas and one woman was riding
the cleanest Ducati Pantah I have ever seen. 
  I met two riders from the USA. Doug from Colarado was riding a Paris/Dakar
around the world and after having it shipped from Los Angeles was spending 3
months in New Zealand before continuing the journey in Australia. Mark from
Alabama was only visiting the country for a short time and had hired a BMW R80
and was finding that the exchange rate was most generous for covering some big
miles. 
  If you are considering a winter holiday why not come down this way and have
two summers a year and fit in the best riding in the world.

Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: test
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:37:15 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

tjohnson@anyway.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:

>Dan;
>
>	My head was free. 

Well hot damn!  You *do* get what you pay for...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Bike to bike communication
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:51:59 GMT

I know that Calif. Superbike School uses nifty bike communicators that do what  
the original poster wanted.  Anybody attending care to comment?
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lance Holst is a Jerk
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:09:36 GMT
Organization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm, Atlanta, GA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jonathan E. Quist (jeq@i88.isc.com) wrote:
>So, how do you define "inflammable"?

Any subject on rec.motorcycles.

  -Mike

Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.     '90 Bianchi Backstreet  '82 Suzuki GS850GL
From: jcombs@nrchh023.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jim Combs)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: That Rider squid survey
Keywords: squid
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:29:04 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.

In some article,  Alex Matthews wrote:

>>Noticed that the latest issue of motorcyclist makes a reference to 
>>squids in its reader report of the kawa ZX-11. did they coin the 
>>phrase...did the net coin the pgrase...anyone know where the term
>>squid came from?

>The net didn't invent it, but we certainly refined the term.  The
>term predates my riding years -- I have a 1986 Cycle XXX magazine
>which makes reference to "yuppie prepoid dingdong squids."  Can
>any of the *old* farts top that?

Way back in the late 70's,  in my reckless teenage days,  I was what was
then called a 'Skate Dog'.  That was the term for the skateboaders that 
went all out and thrashed everything in site.  A very destructive bunch
with lots of energy and a love for pushing skateboarding (as a sport) to
it's limits.  
  
'Skate Dogs' were not the only type of skateboarders back in those days.
There was amongst us those who were incapable of thrashing.  They were
generally split into two different catagories.
  
One:  People with all the latest, greatest equipment, clothing, safety
      gear, and accessories.  A strange lot,  all they ever did was 
      stand around occassionally watching.  These people were called,
      you guessed it,  'Posers'.
 
Two:  People who tried very hard to be 'Skate Dogs' but fell way short.
      Most every attempt at any kind of trick usually resulted in these 
      people 'eating it'.  Road-rash,  hippers,  etc.  No real talent,
      but lots of gusto. Scrawny kids usually,  arms and legs flailing
      around alot.  They were called 'Squids'. 
  
Jim Combs	 
'91 XLH 1200
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Parkway
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:45:48 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@East.Sun.COM) wrote:
<parts deleted for brevity>
: continues on a NNE route, a few miles west of I-81.  According to my
: map, it seems to change names at Waynesboro, Virginia (west of
: Charlottesville), and becomes Skyline Drive.  It ends just south of
: Winchester, Virginia.
:
  Not only does the name change, but the Northern most part (Skyline
Drive) is a toll road.  If you are driving North on the Parkway either
get off at I-64 near Waynesboro or be ready to pay toll. 
 
: The route is absolutely beautiful.  The road is well maintained, and
: travels almost exclusively through National Forests or National Parks.
: The Appalachian Mountains experience four distinct seasons, and offer
: something different all times of the year.  For a motorcycle trip, I
: wouldn't recommend winter.  Late summer is probably the busiest season,
: with the most traffic.
:
All true, plus you should be aware that in winter some sections are
closed when it snows.  Even if there is no visible snow in the valley
where I-81 runs there may be snow on the Parkway. 

: Try to avoid weekends, particularly in or near the National Parks.
: Speed limit is too low, and is rigidly enforced.  The cops that patrol
: it are complete idiots (on a group ride last summer, a cop saw 2 bikes
: going the other way, pulled across both lanes and made a 3-point turn
: IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD to turn around and go after them.  the bikers
: following nearly T-boned him).
:
   He was just trying to keep our emregency braking skills sharp. :-)
Right Cliff?
--

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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* Computing Center at Virginia Tech, not Vermont ----------------------^^     *
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Old Moto mags
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:51:55 GMT

bigdog!jon (Jon Wright) writes:

>> 	Anybody knew to this should be forced to read all of the KCameron
>> and Gordon Jennings stuff before being allowed to post to rec.moto. At least
>> they'd have a clue.
>> 
>> > Ed Hertfelder's "The Duct Tapes" can still reduce me to tears
>> >of laughter,
>> 
>> 	Remember the one about how when your lips are chapped, and you're
>> wearing a flannel shirt, and the allusion to Velcro? I can barely type.

>Anybody care to type these in for kicks every now and then?  Sort of like a  
>"Blast from the Past" column?  We'd all benefit.

Sure, buy me an OCR, and I'd be happy too. :-) 

-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: All-wheel drive???
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:14:15 GMT

jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

>All that aside, it's an incorrect followup.  Everyone knows that
>the JAS engines (not to be confused with JAP engines) had legendarily
>high efficiencies, due largely to the cylinder design.  Instead of
>relying on conventional piston rings (with their attendant frictional
>losses) to seal the cylinders, the JAS engines used prelubricated
>piston sheaths, made of sheep intestines, to assure a leak-free, low
>friction tight fit.

While you are quite correct on the generalities Jonathan, I believe that
the original design used llama intestines, with the move to sheep
occuring with the production models. I've not yet been able to determine
if the change was required by regulatory agencies, or if it was a simple
cost cutting measure.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Colorado Helmet Law (Proposed)
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:13:16 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Not to get into the for/against helmet laws debates, I just thought 
I would let all that are interested, that a bill was introduced 
earlier this week that will make helmets mandatory in the state
of Colorado.

Is all.


  O                
 <M> MerfMan 
_/ \_
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: All-wheel drive???
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:59:35 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Michael Robinson (robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: I was talking to a friend the other day, and he told me about a motorcycle
: show he went to a while back.

Yes, I've been to one of these.  Too many bikes though.

: He claims he saw an old Spagthorpe prototype that had a driven front wheel.

The idea was later stolen by Yamaha for an experimental trail bike.  This bike
used a cable drive to the front instead of the steam drive originated by
Spagthorpe.  One of the drawbacks of the cable drive is that if the front
brake is applied, the cable drive tries to straighten out - resulting in the
rider being thrown violently from the bike.  This was why the design was
limited to dirt-bikes, the riders are (more) used to being thrown from their 
bikes and don't complain so much.

: The goal behind the driven front wheel design was similar to that of 
: 4-wheel drive cars--increased cornering stability, and better control
: on surfaces with poor traction.  

Fine, fine but see above.  The steam-powered front-wheeled bike was fairly
dangerous and certainly too dangerous to be used in the States where it's
citisens have that nasty tendency to sue somebody everytime they encounter
even a reasonable amount of danger.

The Spagthorpe was entered in the Ulster Trials but the local Police 
confiscated it, thinking it a device of the IRA.

: I was concerned about the effect of the additional unsprung weight in 
: the front wheel, but my friend just said, "Hey, it's a Spagthorpe."
: Good point.  

Yes, of course.  Unsprung weight is a _good_ thing.  It helps keep the tyre
on the road and the heavier the weight, the larger the contact patch.

: Apparently these bikes were never made in quantity, because
: the cost of British union steamfitters would have made production bikes
: prohibitively expensive.

This is just provocative right-wing slander.

: -- 
:   Michael Robinson


Nick (the Histo/erical Biker)  DoD 1069          Steamfitters & Hackers Union.


M'Lud.   "Chuff chuff"
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