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From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: more on gestational age
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:55:34 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

From article by lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom):
> In article prevmary@otago.ac.nz writes:
>>> 
>>The gestational age of a fetus is taken as the time since the last menstrual
>>period. True, it is very unlikely to have been conceived at the LMP but the LMP
>>is used as the most fixed referencepoint with which to date a pregnancy. Very
>>very few people can tell when they conceived, and although the LMP is often
>>incorrectly remembered it the best reference we have. Thus the length of the
>>average pregnancy is 40 weeks from the LMP. If you conceived on day 14 exactly
>>then the actual average time from conception to delivery is 38 weeks.
> 
> Of course with modern technology alot of people do have a pretty good idea
> when they did conceive. But, the 40 week rule has been around for a long time,
> long before ovulation predictor kits, ultrasound, and all that.


Ordinary, non-technological, natural family planning will tell you exactly
when you ovulated and conceived too.  My now-pregnant sister knew her cycles
were ordinarily on the order of 35 days long, because she ovulates late every
month.



> I don't think the medical profession is going to change, but isnt it 
> frustrating when you know EXACTLY when you conceived and your doctor doesnt
> care. In my case, my Doctors calculation based on LMP and mine based on the
> ovulation prediction kit were the same. My poor mom - she couldnt have 
> conceived before her wedding day, but her Doctor insisted three weeks earlier
> then her calculation. Mom was right. :-)


Rather than fight with the doctor, and I know this is dishonest, but I suggested
to my sister that she simply adjust the date of her LMP to match ovulation minus
14 days, and tell the doctor that.    I don't know if she actually did it, but
knowing her true ovulation _should_ protect her from having her labor
unnecessarily induced early merely because she has long menstrual cycles.



> BTW, the little chart they use doesnt take into consideration leap day, so
> those of you that conceived before leap day are really due a day earlier. I
> bet that makes you all very happy!

Thanks!  I'll tell that to my sister :-)


> Laura Floom

Suzanne Forgach
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Should we Stop at Two or Go for Three?
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:51:10 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Apr6.095838.1023@tac.fi>, tios_ll@tac.fi writes:
|> In article <1992Apr5.004739.3747@eskimo.celestial.com>, jones@eskimo.celestial.com (Laurie Grey) writes:
|> >With only 2, they either play together or play independently.  With all
|> >3, one gets left out or gets picked on or ignored.  
|>   ........
|> >Anybody with 4 out there?  What's it like?
|> 
|> When I had only one, without her the house always seemed so quiet.
|> When I had two, with only 1 the house always seemed so quiet.
|> When I had three, with only 2 the house always seemed so quiet.
|> Now I have four, and with only 3, the house always seems so quiet.
|> 
|> My mother had five, and she says that with only 4, the house always 
|> seemed so quiet...  
|> 
|> Maybe you stop noticing the difference after 10 or so, but who knows?
|> 
|> Liisa 						(Tampere, Finland)

I have an aunt who had 20 children, no infant mortalities.  I do not know what
she considers quiet.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
the hapa haole
(or more precisely the hakka haole)
(or even more precisely, the hapa hakka hapa haole, or h^4)
From: karen@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Karen Helt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Skipping Grades (Was Re: Starting Kindergarten)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:58:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

It does seem silly to have to make a decision on holding back a child six months in
advance when they can change so much in that time.  However, the schools are forcing
the parents to make the decision now.  Our school district is holding kindergarden
registration right now for next fall.  I don't now if you can go ahead and register the
child, then change your mind later if they still are not ready.  Or not register them
and do it next fall if they turn out to be ready after all.  But I am sure the school
prefers if you register now and then follow through.  It helps them plan for how many
teachers they will need.  That is becoming an issue in our district.  The state is not
coming through with the money they promised and our district is growing rapidly.  Between
the two, the district does not have enough money (so they say - I have not looked at their
budget to see how it is spent.)  This will cause larger classroom sizes.  This worrys
me as I feel the quality of education is strongly impacted by classroom size.  They are
even talking about not being able to open the two new elementarys they just built. While
I have a couple of years before our family is directly impacted (son, 2yr 10m, daughter,
10m), I feel now is the time to start doing something so that things are in shape by
the time Michael does enter school.  I'm just not sure of what to do.  Our school 
district does have a good reputation but that could change.

Karen Helt
Ft Collins, CO
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Starting Kindergarten
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:18:12 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Michele L >.D. Gaudreault) writes: 
>cutoff to August 1.  I think the idea of a cutoff date is stupid - if
>>they're ready, let them go.  If they're not ready, wait a year.  Like
>>Paula said, it (ought to) always depend on the child, not his birthdate.

I read in my local paper yesterday that this year my county is instituting
MANDATORY kindergarten enrollment if a child will be five before Dec
31.  I think this is even stupider than a cutoff date!  Both the child
who may not be ready and the rest of the children in the class (not
to mention the teacher!) will suffer.  I'll bet a lot more kids will
end up repeating kindergarten, rather than just not attending the first
year.

This doesn't apply to us yet.  Hopefully the county will learn the error
of their ways before my son starts. (at least three more years)

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 20 months, and ???, -8 weeks
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Subject: Re: Extraction of baby teeth
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Sylvan Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:08:06

In article <1992Apr7.150816.54276@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund) writes:

	Speaking personally, the nitrous oxide (?) scared the hell out of
   me.  I had it when I was in 7th grade and had some cavities filled. 
   The dentist gave me Novacaine for the jaw, and gas to keep me calm. 
   It did mellow me out, but I hallucinated rather badly.  For instance,
   at one point I watched the dentist's eye come off his face and float
   around the room, staring at me the whole time.  This is not something
   I'd wish on anyone as young as Jeff.

Let me try some of that gas!!! :-)

You're sure you weren't part of a secret CIA experiment on the effects
of LSD-25 on 7th grade children?? 1/2 ;-)

			---Kayvan
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:49:28 GMT

From article <1992Apr7.040121.22303@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by mrz50957@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SEQUENT V2.0):
> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
> 
>>Even
>>as a child I did not have a sweet tooth and my Halloween and Easter candy
>>would be left to rot every year.  
> 
> Standing policy in my house with my family is that exactly one week after
> Halloween and Easter, all candy is tossed out!


A policy like that would have 'saved' a friend of mine when we were about 10.
I gave her a piece of candy one summer, and just by chance she said, "That's
good!  Where'd you get it?"   The answer: "Your house last Halloween!"
Honestly, I didn't _mean_ to ruin it on her.

Suzanne.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:57:12 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Summary: predestination in (S)satanism?

In article <1992Apr9.031227.2013@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne) writes:

[please note followup to t.r.m.]

> I am not a freak, I have merely lived a different life that forged
> into me different beliefs. Don't judge me, I was a Satanist 
> before I even entered into this world, He chose me.
> 

So is predestination a Satanist thing too? I've heard many Christian
arguments in its' favor.

barry--
From: X045KF@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Kimberly Faircloth)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Siblings in Daycare
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:08:04 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

>In article <11292@borg.cs.unc.edu>, sgauch@corwin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan
>Gauch) writes:
>
>> One question that I
>> have about institutional daycare that I haven't seen discussed is the
>> effects it has on sibling's ties.  Laura is very fond of Brian, and although
>> they spend part of their day apart they do spend a lot of time together.
>> If they were in daycare, they would be in different rooms, separated by
>> age.  Has anyone done a study on whether this weakens the ties between
>> siblings?
>
From what I observed working at a daycare center, it doesn't affect those
sibling ties at all.  In fact, the kids were ecstatic when they did get
to see each other.  This is due to the fact of the regulations that the
State of Texas has set for daycare centers, which is besides the kids
being classified by age, they have to be kept separate for the welfare of
the younger children.  You know how rough the older kids can get.  But
whenever they kids did see each other, it was evident how they felt.
The behavior also tended to disrupt the rest of the children because then
everyone wants to say "hi" and give a hug to Melanie's little brother or
Ashlee's little sister, Kristee, or their baby sister, Carlee. (yes, these
are actual children)
 
Hope this helped some.
 
Kimberly Faircloth                |x045kf@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Users Consultant                  |kdf8236@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Texas A&M University              |kdf8236@zeus.tamu.edu
(409) 845-8956
"But Soft!  What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick!
           and Juliet is out cold..."
 
 
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From: baba@Tymnet.COM (Duane Hentrich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:40:25 GMT
Reply-To: baba@Tymnet.COM (Duane Hentrich)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: BT Tymnet Inc., San Jose CA

In article <14APR199222054665@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, s8486534@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (S8486534) writes:
|>        The discussion of condoms in schools belongs on Oprah Winfrey, not
|> in a forum devoted to education.  When are you people going to grow up!

I don't wanna grow up, I'm a Toys R Us(enet) kid!!!

-- 
d'baba Duane M. Hentrich	...!hplabs!oliveb!tymix!baba
                                         baba@Tymnet.Com
Warning: Expicit Thoughts
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside)
Subject: Publishing children's books 
Reply-To: woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:34:36 GMT


	Does anyone know what is involved to get a children's book published?  How do you go about contacting publishers, etc?  What about illustrations?  Do they do it, or is that up to you, the author?  I've been thinking about doing this for awhile and am completely lost at how to go about it?  Any help would be appreciated.  Post or e-mail.  Thanks in advance.

________________

Jim Woodside
woodside@maestro.mitre.org
From: andyt@pogo.wv.tek.com (Andy Tilp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: OB .vs. a Midwife
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:53:35 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

Beth Weiss  writes:

>andyt@pogo.wv.tek.com (Andy Tilp) writes:
>>One last flame against OB's.  When we met with the OB regarding
>>getting the labor started, he was incredibly callous to our feelings.
>
>>The bottom line, based on our experience, is an alternative to MD OB's
>>will provide you with a much more caring, natural and less costly
>>birth.
>
>Although I am currently pregnant for the first time (no delivery
>experience),

Congratulations!

> I am very satisfied with my OB, and just wanted to
>respond to the idea that OBs, by their very nature, aren't caring or
>natural.  My OB is a very nice, pleasant man.  He's been supportive
>and helpful as I've dealt with a pregnancy in which I feel fine*, but
>am having medical problems that require weekly monitoring by a
>hematologist and will almost certainly require a c-section.
>

After thinking about my original posting, I realized I blasted OB's
pretty bad.  I am sure there are good OBs, who care as much as our ND.
I am very pleased to hear you have found such a doctor.  You bring up
a good point though, with a high risk pregnancy, an OB is probably the
best choice.  In this case (IMHO), a pregnacy changes from natural
human process to one of vital importance to the Mom's and baby's
health.  I should note that our ND refers high risk pregnacies to an
OB, just for that reason.


Andy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Twins
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:52:24 GMT

 
I hope that this is an appropriate place to ask this question.
 
 
Is there a news group somewhere which deals
with the subject of twins (or other multiples)?
 
I have three year old identical twin boys and
thirteen year old identical twin nieces.  I would
love to communicate with someone with twins.
 
Teresa
 
PS Please let me know if this gets posted.  I sent it on
   Monday afternoon and it disappeared into never-never-land
   instead of appearing in netland.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My three year old son has a really annoying habit that we would
like to break:  he shrieks.  This really high-pitched, hurt the ears,
headache causing pierce.  He does it when he is happy; he does it when
he plays chasing games; and he does it when he is angry.  It has caused
innocent bystanders in the mall (with 30 foot ceilings) to plug their
ears.

We want it to stop.  We have tried to pleasantly remind him every time
he does it that he should not scream.  We touch him (get his attention
and eye contact) and firmly say "No screaming!"  This doesn't seem to
be working.  If he does it in the bath, we immediately remove him from
the tub.  The gentle reinforcement method doesn't seem to be working.
It's time for the haul out the big consequences.  Only problem is,
what should they be?????  Immediately removing him from the situation is
not always feasible (middle of dinner at the mall, doctor's office,
during preschool).  Yet if we delay the consequence (timeout when we
get home), it doesn't seem to mean anything.  A shriek back at him
only sends him into hysterics with the words, "You hurt-a mine ears!"
yet explaining that he just did the same thing to me doesn't seem
to sink in.  I don't want to spank him.

My son was recently diagnosed with a Sensory Integration problem,
and his verbal skills are about 6-9 months behind.  (He is in 
occupational therapy now).  I am never sure how much he really
understands.  We think his screaming is more of a habit than some
subtle communication tool.  

Any ideas?

Jean Jasinski, feeling half-blind from staring at a terminal and half-deaf
from living with my son :)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ee448rsw@iitmax.iit.edu (Robert S Wojtowicz)
Subject: Re: More on Girls in Math and Science
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 17:36:14 GMT

In article <2520015@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM> jbm@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM (Jane Marcus) writes:
>I had the opportunity to visit a school in my area for National Read Aloud
>Day.  In introducing myself to the 2nd grade class I was assigned to, I
>made a point to tell the kids that I worked in computer science.  After 
>making this statement, many of the boys in the class were jumping out of 
>their seats, waving their hands so that they could tell me how they have
>computers at home, or how they love to use computers, or how they wish they
>had a computer etc.  The girls were remarkably silent, not one of them 
>offering some statement of interest to me or the group.  At one point, I 
>thought one of the girls was raising her hand and I asked her what she wanted 
>to tell us, but then she said she was just stretching and didn't have anything 
>to say, and I couldn't tell if she was feeling shy or really didn't have 
>something to contribute.  Needless to say, I was disappointed.  So does this 
conditioning them that it is non feminine (whatever that means?). Also, some
of them might not want to be known as "nerds" or seen as too smart, as peer
pressure is high in grade school. No girls even asked me anything about
engineering, or computers, yet the boys were all excited. I guess it is up
to todays parents and teachers to dispell this myth, as the women on this 
net are evidence that gender does not matter in technical fields.


Just my two cents,

Rob


>janem@hpfclg.fc.hp.com
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From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.kids-talk,alt.parents-teens,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:46:01 GMT
	<1992Apr14.200059.27588@cs.wayne.edu>
	<14APR199222054665@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.


``The discussion of condoms in schools belongs on Oprah Winfrey,
not in a forum devoted to education.  When are you people going to
grow up!''

I admit that we are treading a fine line here, but I think the
relevance is that we are discussing the purposes public education
should pursue.  It seems that by definition anything public schools do
can come under the scope of a group dedicated to discussing
miscellaneous educational issues, even if only to say that they
shouldn't be doing it.
--
-Fred Gilham          gilham@csl.sri.com 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:33:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.194510.904901@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
Judy:

As one who replied to your original post I would like point out that the
way you replied, it would naturally be taken in the way that it was. No
where in your post did you put anything in that was disclaimer that you were
merely trying to show how some people might think. You seemed to say that you
thought it. People responded in kind. I would also like to point out that
you started your post with a sentance saying you know this will generate some
flame. Now you seem to want to back down from the position that originally
took. Good, but we responded to your post, in your context. Perhaps in future
when you start a post with the announcement that it may generate some flames,
you may want to save it a day or two and see if it is really what you want to
say. People can not read beyond what you post to what you mean. This is a short
coming of the net, but one that you must learn to work around. This is not the
first time you have told the net that we have taken your post wrong. Perhaps
it is the way you write them, and not the way we are taking you out of context.

But, I am glad to see that you really didn't mean the way it came out. Please
dont get angry at us for being appalled by it.

Laura



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Excessive Morning Sickness--FAQL?
Reply-To: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:41:50 GMT

I am now in my eighth week of pregnancy and extremely ill; haven't
been able to keep much of anything down; doesn't seem to be a pattern
to what I can keep down.  I am weak but very hungry; this is annoying
because as soon as I eat a little to ease my hunger pains I throw it up.
Gatorade is great but it doesn't fill you up.  Milk is better but I lost
that this morning.

Any hints about what to eat/not to eat, and medicinal (although of
course I would have to get approval from the OB) or non-medicinal
remedies would help.  I have already tried Phenergan without much
success.

I want to avoid hospitalization which has been looming over me
(dehydration).  I'd like to manage this problem at home where
it is more comfortable and you can actually sleep (been in
hospital; can't get any rest as the nurses constantly come in 
and wake you up, to take this medicine or eat now cause the
tray's here, etc.).

Thanks in advance from a very hungry and hurting person.
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Are there single parent support groups?
Date: 1 Apr 92 15:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: mwvm.167BC9214.M20614
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <1992Apr1.141732.27737@hubcap.clemson.edu>
kfitzpa@hubcap.clemson.edu (Kevin Fitzpatrick) asks:
 
> I am a single parent.  I'll be moving with my eight year old soon ...
> Is there such thing as a single parent support group or mailing list?
 
[The following is based on my wife's experience as a single mom of 2
daughters (ages 1 and 4) for 4 years (they were 5 and almost-8 when we got
married in 1990)]
 
Maybe there's a chapter of Parents Without Partners at your destination.
Check out a phone book at your destination.
 
You'll need to play games with your work schedule and child care (before-
school, after-school, and all-day).  Make friends among your new neighbors
*fast*; they'll be possible sources of emergency babysitting.
 
For illness, you'll need an employer with generous policies.  Don't count
on saving up a lot of annual leave; it'll get spent on days when your child
is not in school.
 
No flames about single parents being forced by child-care issues into low-
paying temporary and part-time work; or the heartbreak of leaving your child
in child-care for 10 hours a day -- I'm completely sympathetic.
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
Newsgroups: misc.kids