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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: (Was Shielding) Now: Letting shields down.
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <199209090542.AA23925@intercon.com>, amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes...
>oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>> I've read about some new ways of putting up shields.  How about 
>> ways to let shields down.
>> 
>> I find it much harder to be vulnerable.
> 
>Indeed.  I will now risk sounding stoned :):
> 
>The strongest shield is none at all.  No one can break the wall that is not 
>there.  The strongest weapon someone can wield against you is fear, because 
>it turns you against yourself.  

Yes!  Exactly.  Best answer yet.

>The strongest shield you can mount is perfect 
>love.  Love overcomes fear, and transforms enemies into friends.

Don't know if I'd go this far.  I'd settle for being 
disinterested -  not always, but most of the time.

>This isn't just pollyannist claptrap.  It works.

But it keeps you stuck in the mud with everyone else too.  And it 
sounds like just another type of shield.

>Amanda Walker
>-- 
>"Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a ring upon your arm;
> For love is strong as death...its flashes are flashes of fire,
> A flame of the Eternal."		--Song of Songs 8:6-7

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: A question about reasons for Magickal effectiveness
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 02:26:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <1992Sep12.210553.6910@uvm.edu> chambers@hal.emba.uvm.edu (Christopher A Chambers) writes:


>  I have recently been reading the book _Liber_Kaos_, by Peter J. 
>Carrol. I found the chapter on Chaos Magick Mathematics to be 
>very interesting and thought provoking. Basicly, he states that 

>  M = G * L * (1 - A) * (1 - R)

>  Magick = Gnosis * Magical Link * (1 - Conscious Awareness) * 
>           (1 - Subconscious Resistance)

I have my doubts that any of these relationships are linear!

-- 
---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---
    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@well.sf.ca.us                      and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Subject: Re: Psychic attack/shielding/empathy
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:44:41 GMT

In article <memo.619688@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>Double Hmmm.
>Suppose that all this teenage psycho-melodrama WAS actually real (if
>unconscious on the part of the sender) pschic attack, and the process
>of 'realising it was the externalisation of internal conflict' was in
>fact ACTUALLY the process of _internalising_ an _external_ process as
>a *means of defending against it*.
>is it TRUE....?

1) I don't normally deal in TRUE.  I know what's true for me, generally what's
true for my people, and as a territorial primate who has become enlightened I 
don't mess with what is true for others except to the extent that they harm me
or those whom I protect (including potential harm).  I try to do good according
to my notion of what that is and within my resources, and try not to give too 
much advice except in advice forums like this one.  If someone doesn't want me
"doing good" for them, I try not to. 

2) Unless I am actually there, I can't tell whether I believe there was "psychic
attack" or not.  Most occurances of so-called "psychic attack" that I have 
been "so lucky" as to have associations with through the folk on either side 
have been more or less buncomb by a vast majority.  This includes "witch wars", 
"satanic battles for control of New York" and other such foolishness.  So 
again, my sympathies, until proved otherwise, lie with the accused, not the
accusers in this and similar cases.  In what is arguably the most litigous
society in all the world in all its history, and with the rampant hysteria
in the last several years of people being encouraged to make accusations of
varying and sundry kinds of abuse in all areas and levels of society (which 
are difficult enough to prove even with physical aspects), I find myself 
learning to look at both sides of ANY question of this type very hard, and 
occasionally being in the position of actually having to champion the accused
when my experiences tell me that it's a good bet. Witch-hunts are so easy to 
start, I grew up with the basic belief that indeed, people are innocent until
proven guilty.

3)  I have a rule-of-thumb, it's called, "Never go to bed with anyone crazier
than you are".  As I have gotten older, this has made more and more sense to
me, and I have been able to figure out when to apply it much much more
accurately.  I also don't believe in "innocent by reason of insanity".  I do 
believe in "guilty by reason of insanity". If someone is crazy and dangerous
to society, then that person in my eyes, should be locked up, much more 
deservingly than someone who is dangerous to society but had reasons which 
appear to be fairly reasonable.

Well, I've run out of steam on this for the moment....

			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu

"Imagination is the strop of occam's razor" - shava nerad averett 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Astral Plane
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:59:15 GMT

In article <wehDl7q00VBBA2WUV8@andrew.cmu.edu> af2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alex Feely) writes:
>Hello,
>
>    I would also be interested in this topic. Please post all answers on
>alt.magick. thank you
>
>
>                                                                        
>                     Alex Feely

  I wrote some essays over the summer for an English class, not specifically
about the Astral Plane, but about Astral Projection/OBEs...  I could post
them here, or preferably, in alt.oobe (currently being replaced by
alt.out-of-body)  I can also send copies via email on request.  If what you
are interested in is more along the lines of understanding/using the astral
plane & the individuals/energies therein, I'm not sure I can help you on
that one...  It's the kind of thing where I would suggest that you get
out-of-body & experience it for yourself...  But there is one book I can
think of that discusses the Astral Plane (in terms of "sightseeing" when/if
you are experiencing it...)  It's called _Astral_Projection_ by 
Denning & Phillips, & it's available in common bookstores like Walden or
B. Dalton....  Also, we could trade theories, though I would suggest we take
it to alt.out-of-body...

-Angela


angelai@wam.umd.edu
"What's brown & sounds like a bell?  Dung!"  (Monty Python's Flying Circus)

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: laura@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Tygress)
Subject: Re: just a question
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:32:52 GMT


Maybe this is related to the ol' walking past a fluorescent
streetlights, and they turn off ... SPOOKY! =)

- Laura
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Somethings wrong... Not quite right....
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:50:18 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Try focusing on the benefits you hope to get from money, rahter than the money
itself. That is, what you intend to purchase.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Psychic attack/shielding/empathy
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:57:49 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BuD7n9.81D@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> Why is it that someone who is a teenager (or thereabouts) is 
> automatically said to be acting out a psycho-melodrama?  I've 
> read equally far-fetched posts from adults and nearly everyone 
> accepted theirs at face value.  What are these value judgements based 
> on?
> 
> IMO they are based on group-think.  There's an "inner circle" 
> here on alt.magick that sets the standards for what is acceptable 
> and what is not - to think, post, believe.  
> 
> An inner circle member can post something and *not* be subjected to 
> the same level of critical thinking that outsiders endure.
> 
> I hope the "fringe participants" aren't intimidated by this.  The 
> day everyone accepts the "inner circle's" basic tenants is the 
> day alt.magick becomes boring.

Yes, actually it *is** intimidating. I'm off on my own tangent, and I sometimes
feel unwelcome just *reading* alt.magick. I suspect some newcomers who
haven't developed much sense of themselves feel the same, judging by some of
the posts ("I'm  afraid to post lest I be flamed...").
 
There's a heavy atmosphere of "techie" here. If you haven't spent the last ten
years in seclusion studying all the right texts, and can quote entire chapters
off the top of your head, you don't belong here. Or at least you can't voice an
opinion.

Having mouthed off, I will now go to a friendlier newsgroup for the rest of the
day...

--Semhaza
Xref: sparky alt.magick:4385 sci.skeptic:16135
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: just a question
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:17:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: bailey.JOSHUA.92Sep9001736
	<s-snz3h.mesm@netcom.com>
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science


In article <s-snz3h.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) 
writes:

>   tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens) writes:

>   : listening to various friends and reading various post, I have a question
>   : Is it possible for a person, without any training or conscience effort,
>   : to act as a magnet (lack of a better term) or what-ever for "unusual" 
>   : events? By events I mean; calling numbers on a roulet table correctly, 
>   : event (outside of personal control) and having it occur, sometimes 
>   :seeing  things either not there or not percieved by others, etc.

>   I would have to say yes. I myself am the opposite of this. 
>   I can call things wrong, with far greater averages than statistics.
>   Guessing serieses of coin tosses, cards from a deck... That is
>   when I guess. I believe that I can MAKE things happen the way that
>   I want them to quite a bit. It would appear that I can consciously
>   affect things, but my unconscious doesn't the same thing in reverse.

well, being wrong more often statistics demand would certainly be
interesting. are you willing to help set up and participate in an
experiment to determine if something like this is going on?

josh
From: v085r6qm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: authors not Crowley
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BuA7D8.2Fs@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes...
>>pressure off of our personalities. We don't have to produce
>>a personal godliness in order to function... magically or
>>bodily. A WHOLISTIC STRESS RELIEF
> 
>I think there's more too it than this.  It helps us to get past 
>the ego driven part of us - I'm this, I'm that....  Helps one 
>reach the true self - not the rational self or the going to work 
>self or the spouse, parent, son, daughter self.  
More to the mechanics than spiritual rolfing or chiropractic,
but the effect is still a stress relief at a very deep level.
(sorry... I got a little noncommunicative again...)
Basically, I don't see many better forms of stress relief
than getting past negative, ego driven parts. NOT TO SAY
THAT THERE AREN'T "BETTER" FORMS.
> 
>[lots of stuff deleted...]
> 
>>COOL-- this is what I was looking for.
> 
>What were you looking for?  I'm not sure what you liked, or why 
>you liked it?
    What I "was looking for" was the kind of open dialogue
you supplied in your original reply after we got past the 
confusion of syntax-bashing. I KNOW I OPEN MYSELF TO IT.
It was the last body of your reply that provided what I
found to be enriching. The use of model making of myself
and others is a major concern of mine. I don't mean to 
sound invasive, if I do. What makes all tick is what makes
everything tick. I haven't been able to talk about these
topics with people to this extant  before the last couple
of days. I just like to know how others with similar interests
are keeping their time.
           IN OTHER CIRCLES THE WORD MIGHT BE,
                         "NOSEY"
                                          Forever,
                                           Friend of Erin
>
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Shields
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:09:42 +0000

cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low) writes..

[...]

>1. Reflective.

>2. Defensive.

>3. Absorbtive.

>4. Transformative.

>5. The Tinkerbell technique. You refuse to believe in fairies. (Sorry
>   Josh ;-) I couldn't think of a good name for "making something go
>   away by refusing to believe in it".

josh & tinkerbell? An ideal match I would say.....

You left one out

6. Not be there anyway. The invisibility trip. Castandedas Don Juan
"If someone is waiting for me with a rifle I shall simply not come
around". As someone succinctly put it in one of the perennial
alt.pagan flame wars "You are all trying to make each other part of
the problem or part of the solution: But some of us out here are
playing a completely different game altogether."

Be orthogonal to the action..........:-)




People seem to have individual preferences, but I think it would be a
mistake to make value judgements about the merits of the different
techniques - different things are appropriate at different times.

Colin
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: difference between boyfriend and girlfriend
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:16:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <72283@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:

>but 'boy' is not acceptable when referring to a young adult male.

Unless he's done something deliciously bad.  "Oh, you naughty boy!"




-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

I believe we are on the irreversible trend toward more freedom and
democracy -- but that could change.   -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: pel@resntl.bhp.com.au (Paul Osborn)
Subject: Re: No smegma please, we're American
Organization: BHP Research - Newcastle Labs
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:21:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.232958.8824@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: No smegma please, we're American
>Date: 13 Sep 92 22:29:57 GMT
>
> preece@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Scott E. Preece) writes:
>>  wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> |
>> |
>> | > 1 fag n 1 chiefly Brit : TOIL, DRUDGERY  2 a: an English public-school
>> | >      boy who acts as servant to an older schoolmate.
>> |
>> | 1 is correct but not that common; 2a is almost certainly archaic by now as
>> | the public schools become more liberal. It doesn't even mention the most common
>> | British meaning: slang for a cigarette.
>> ---
>> While that usage isn't in the quoted definition, the quoted definition
>> is only one of four entries.  The cigarette meaning *is* given, and not
>> tagged as being especially British.
>
>Just out of interest, cock-up is given a number of definitions, from our
>beloved fubar to a young schoolboy being beaten up by his seniors. Think on
>that just for a moment, then move onto the next article. I thank you.
>
>Tanaqui
>
>"After-dinner mints?"
>"Only if I have nothing better to do"              Julian Clary's new sitcom

When in England back in 1985, I was having a short break in the Lakes 
District. Somebody loaned me a map of the area on which were labelled three 
hills. These were 'Little Cock-Up', 'Middle Cock-Up' and Great Cock-Up'.
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From: andrew@venus.resntl.bhp.com.au
Subject: Previous <None> actually Re: Correction
Organization: BHP Research, Newcastle Laboratories
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:54:04 GMT

Sorry, my mailer has been mucking about (not to mention the editor ;-)
Subject line of the <None> post should read Re: Correction

Only one,
Andrew
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: zfs60@cas.org ()
Subject: list of english words that are hard to spell, anyone has it?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:58:33 GMT

i am looking for a list of english words that are hard to spell, and a
guy (fellow, chap,...) like me would be spelling it wrong most of the
time.  i would appreciate it if anyone has such a list online could
send it to me.  any pointers to books on this subject are welcome as
well.

i am new to this group and apologize if it is a FAQ (is there a FAQ?).

thanks a zillion,

--john
From: sav@nanette.sni.de (Dr.Savory)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: What does this mean?
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:24:36 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany


                              [stuff deleted]

>This must be the same thing going on in the phrase
>	
>	"All that glitters is not gold."

>It works fine in a poetic context, anyway!

>--Daz

Actually, Daz, the quotation is:

                       All that glisters is not gold
				   ^^
IF (quoting) THEN correctly     ;)
                        (FLAME WAR STARTS HERE ? ;)
From: jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Brit. vs. Amer. spelling, was: Re: Improper spelling
Summary: dictionary
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:41:23 GMT
Organization: InCC.com Perwez Belgium

In article <25785@castle.ed.ac.uk>, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
> In article <6sxnjrp@lynx.unm.edu> jfreter@triton.unm.edu (The Myth) writes:
> 
> >I still can't come up with an explanation for the Brittish _centre_, _metre_
> >and others instead of the _center_, _meter_, et al. that are used here in
> >the US.
> 
> Still? Just how much research have you actually done on this, if you
> haven't even got as far as opening an etymological dictionary?
> [... deleted ]
 
 Hands up everyone who has an etymological dictionary.

 It is not because one subscribes to a group that one is an expert in
 that field.

 I don't have an etymological dictionary, if we were all experts we
 would not be asking questions and there would be no need for News.
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Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: jfreter@triton.unm.edu (The Myth)
Subject: Re: Head of a Native American tribe
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 16:24:14 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep13.082254.42948@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.024715.17930@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, mjm@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mike McBain) writes:
>> Never mind the daughter of a marquess, how should one address
>> the head of a Native American tribe, like the Lakota or
>> Cherokee? Try looking that one up!
>
>You just use "Mr." or "Ms." -- tribes usually have chairpersons or
>heads of business committees, etc. 

Well, when I was talking to one of the local leaders of the Zuni, he'd said
that Mr. Chairman is fine to you for business.  But, if you're in his tribe
you can call him _sir_, a Zuni term that I can't pronounce or spell that means
roughly leader, or even Mr. <insert surname here>.

There really isn't a nobility for the Native Americans (at least not the
Zuni or Navaho), so addressing any of their leaders is no different than
addressing a member of a local, state, or federal government.
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel)
Subject: Re: difference between boyfriend and girlfriend
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 20:55:08 GMT

   These terms were coined at a time when cross-sex friendships were
more often assumed to be romantic than they are today.

   They're relatively recent as the default terms for steadies, though.
The Beatles sang "Last night I said these words to my girl", not "my
girlfriend".

misrael@csi.uottawa.ca			Mark Israel
Sunbeams brightly play, where Fancy's fair pavilion once is pight.
From: long@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: A Neologism
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:54:06 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.233118.15985@nmsu.edu> sabbott@nmsu.edu (SDA) writes:

>>Literatify - to create an adjective from a literary character or object.

>>Here are literafisms I have collected, can anyone think of others?

I'm not sure how much of a character he was, but . . .

Platonic.

Geoff Long
QUT, Brisbane, Australia
From: pjh@eng.camac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Improper spellingscreen
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:29:37 GMT
Reply-To: pjh@eng.cam.uk.ac
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au, eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.024228.1306@guvax.georgetown.edu>, aroshwald@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>> 
>> Yes, but 'weird' is the only one of these words in which the vowel
>> combination in question is pronounced as a single long E. Of course,
>> originally, this might not have been the case -- the E and the I in
>> weird might have been pronounced distinctly (as in 'atheist'), and
>> perhaps that is why it defies conventional orthographical wisdom. 
>
>Observation: for me, and I suspect for all non-rhotic speakers,
>the word "weird" contains two distinct vowels.  If I try to
>pronounce the 'r', I can see how the two vowels collapse back to
>one, but I can't, for all my trying, make that one vowel sound like
>the one in "receive" or "believe".
>
>Is there anyone out there for whom the "ei" in "weird" has exactly
>the same sound as the "ie" in "believe"?

I, too, normally pronounce weird with two vowels (sort of wee-ud). I _can_ pronounce
it with one but it sounds totally different to the "ie" in believe. (For some reason
I always want to spell believe, beleive. However, once I have typed it, this  looks 
wrong  so I end up going back to change it.) I find that the vowel in believe is pronounced with the lips drawn further back that the one in weird.

Philippa


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