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From: af185@yfn.ysu.edu (Robin L. Gibson)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Reply-To: af185@yfn.ysu.edu (Robin L. Gibson)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:33:59 GMT


In a previous article, dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) says:

>In article <1993Jan7.202713.29249@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

The opinions that Mr. Chaney has expressed are truly indicative of what I like to call a "transraceual":  a white person trapped in a black person's body.

What a waste of beautiful pigment.

Robin Gibson
-- 
Robin L. Gibson          gibson@email.ncsc.navy.mil
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Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL  32407-5000
From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:08:56 EST
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1993Jan06.013215.2528@microsoft.com>,
wayneh@microsoft.com (Wayne Hazle) writes: 

> Stephen, bottom line: date who you want.
> 
> Nevertheless, you are clearly a messed up dude!  Your 
> SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS are some of the most pathetic ranting and ravings
> I have read in a long time.
>
=================================================

We DON'T know that Stephen Chaney is "clearly a messed
up dude"; We haven't even met him.  All we know is that
he WROTE "messed up things" and "pathetic ranting..."

We can't judge his soul. (especially over the net)

I know that we can all have some pretty strong suspicions
about his charater; but we have no moral right or logical
basis to make such an attack/judgement.

All we can do is comment on what he said/wrote
Moreover, Please note how the word "you" (above)
is being used as a nasty battering ram.  I hate it
when people start in with "you are this" "you are that"
It's always YOU YOU YOU.  That's not taking responsibility
for what one says...it is nothing more than spitting acid.
Wouldn't it be better to say "I think what you wrote was
clearly messed up...ranting..." because then one is taking
responsibility for his or her own feeling/opinions.  It also
allows the possibility for connection with others.

I also dislike the way YOU YOU YOU is frequently used
in political ralleys to stand for some collective
enemy (US government, white people in general, uncle toms in particular)
I know...this is done to give voice to collective and individual
rage; but when this sort of talk extends to everything it is 
impossible to even talk to the person you might dislike.

I think that most of the posters who responded to Stephen Chaney
could not talk with him because they were busy throwing
the YOU YOU YOU YOU ARE SCREWED UP, and with no concern for
taking responsibility for what they write.

Stephen Chaney's original post was pretty much in the
YOU (black sisters) ARE BAD style too.  That doesn't
make it just to respond in kind.  I'm worried that there
is a fundamental break down of recognition of the humanity
of other people; and this was reflected in many posts.
Is it possible that behind it all many people (including
Chaney) were basically saying YOU ARE A WORTHLESS PERSON! ??

Of course, this is typical of net.flames, but I think it
goes beyond the net.

SteveS


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap,rec.music.funky
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (T-Dub/SGP '93)
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:45:52 GMT

In article <rnelson.44.726865955@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, rnelson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (Robert Nelson) writes:
>So where can one buy Pari's album Sleeping with the Enemy.  I heard his 
>record label, Tommy Boy, punked out and wouldn't release due to the fallout 
>of Ice T.  His first one was a classic!

Yep!  Tommy Boy/Warner Bros. bailed out just like most of corporate america
does when their is controversy surrounding anything to do with blacks.  As for
Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo (another Warner Bros. cop out) and Paris, I have
surprisingly seen them both at many mainstream record stores, despite no major
distribution.  America doesn't have time to pressure indies, I guess, unless
they sell *really* well to mainstream america.  Personally, I hope they sell
really really well and Warner Bros. loses lots of many from their scaredness to
release them; at least all the money they made from the, "Cop Killer," removal. 
It'd serve them right.
                            
                                              T-Dub
                                              SHYGUY Productions
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women: (OH PLEEZ!!)
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:59:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan7.092248.4917@memstvx1.memst.edu> mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>
> What I wear, how I dress my hair is also
>> an extension of how I see myself.  
>Well put statement.
>Tundrea 
>Memphis State University

Well, I realise that everyone is entitled to do what they want. A person see
themselves as a white woman in their most beutiful dream. 

But if you think that you are beutiful only when you look white, why would
you take umbrace at those who go after the real white women?  If a white 
woman has become acknowledged as the great ideal to which all must aspire
why should a balck woman be the intermediary to this great ideal for the 
black man. Why should a blackman seek the white woman in a black womana?

The essence of my posting is that there a should a reappraisal and a responsi
ble measure of responsibility attendant to entitlement. Blackmen should not be
begrudged white women if black women "can have them".

Those women who agree with the premise of this posting, such as Tundrea and 
Gabrielle, can ignore it. Those who think that it should be the other way, ie
, white women should be idolised and aped but blackmen attain them only thru 
the medium of blackwomen can and are encouraged to criticise me...

makala
 
though, if  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wayneh@microsoft.com (Wayne Hazle)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 06 Jan 93 01:32:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

Stephen, bottom line: date who you want.

Nevertheless, you are clearly a messed up dude!  Your 
SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS are some of the most pathetic ranting and ravings
I have read in a long time.


------
Wayne A. Hazle III
Microsoft Rules.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 01:55:40 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 07:58:35 GMT

In article <1idmnlINN2el@morrow.stanford.edu> Gabrielle Daniels,
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu writes:
>Women of color of
>the feminista stripe always tell the white feminists that just
>because one is a woman, it don't mean she got the RIGHT politics.

Let me get this straight, White female feminists are inherently politically
uncorrect?   I always knew us White males are a lost cause at ever doing
anything correctly, but I didn't know my feminist (White) sisters cann't
hack it also.  But it makes sense, you know, White == evil.

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|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reflecting America with a Fun House Mirror
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:09:27 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan12.213936.7158@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <73431@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>
>>Clinton's Fun House Mirror
>>
>>positions and Hispanics got 2. Yet Asians got zero, zilch,
>>nada despite the fact that 5 percent Asians are nearly equal
>>to the Blacks who are only 6 percent and Hispanics who are
>>just 3 percent of college graduates. And that's not counting
>>that the math and verbal aptitude, along with income and
>>unemployment rates of the average Black college graduate are
>>no higher than the average White high school grad, while the
>>average Asian tests 2 years ahead of a White grad.
>
>  Since when was SAT scores used as a criterion for
>  cabinet position?  I thought it was basically a
>  "political" appointment, which means that qualification
>  is based on the appointer's criteria.
>>
>  Let me see, I should be judged by the average SAT score
>  of people who look like me?  This is ludicrous.
>  This smacks of reverse-race-norming to me...

Well, for that matter why should you be judged because of your race at all??
Don't you consider appointing someone because of his ethnicity judging him
by his race?? Don't bs us with "qualifications," please keep in mind on average
more than 60% of the presidential appointees are because of WHO THEY KNOW
rather than WHAT THEY KNOW (source: Inside Edition). Besides, don't you think
there are any qualified ASIAN AMERICANS out there??


Ning Wang
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Using a friend's account, please direct all flames/replies to "Ning Wang"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jmk45295@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John M Kaney)
Subject: Re: Watching TV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:31:56 GMT

>>Just watching some TV recently and I noticed that it seems like the
>>racial barrier has increased from about 5-10 years ago even on TV.
>> ...   Except talk shows like Arsenio, which I think are
>>somewhat progressive since he seems to have some blacks and some
>>whites.  Also lethal weapon was good, atleast it was somewhat
>>realistic.  As a minority, I think that Blacks are very
>>underrepresented on TV, as if the TV execs forgot about them or wish
>>to.
>I just watched the premier of star trek: deep space nine on tv. Major black character(s)for this episode. It was..interestind.. i liked it. Now ro digest and comment on what signals were actually being transmitted. Conspiritioalists.........
>P.S good to see brown people around.

Yes, it is all a plot by whites to get more colored folks sitting infront of
the moron box ... waste their time, energy, minds.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 8 Jan 1993 04:50:08 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <2B4CE750.5425@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

>...Why else
>do white people tense up when a black guy (especially when he's big and
>built) walks toward them or gets into an elevator with them?  Come ON!
>We act like they're damned time bombs!  I do it, and it pisses me off
>when I do it!  If I can admit to it, why the hell can't everyone else?
>It's impossible to grow up in this society without acting tense around
>black people.  If you can honestly say you don't do that, you must have
>grown up on Mars. 

Or, Janis, you've lived in the Crenshaw district of L.A. for ten years, as
I have. If you're white and almost EVERYONE you see around you on the street, 
in the mall, in the stores, at the Taco Bell, is Black, 
believe me, you don't even notice or react to a Black guy on the
elevator (or anywhere else, for that matter). What you notice is
someone white ("...jeez, a white boy...wonder where he came from...").

As I told my secretary, it's always wierd for me when I travel to places
like Colorado or Nebraska, (or even suburban fringes of L.A.) 
where I see so many white faces. It seems unnatural. She's white
too, and she lives in Gardena, where it's a wild mix of Black, Latino,
Asian, and a small minority of whites. She said the same thing - when
she goes to a Target store in a whitish part of L.A., she really
notices "all these white folks". 

All suburban white-bread folks should undergo this experience. It would
be a real education. They might start chatting with that Black guy on the
elevator instead of cringing into the far corner and whistling Dixie.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:02:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.233851.16741@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>I am a brother from the continent, as curious as ever about all the
>hullabaloo about brothers going for white girls. I'm wondering 
>whether there is as much fuss about white boys dating black girls.
>I also wonder why it (white boys dating black girls) does not 
>occur with as much frequency as the opposite.

Doesn't seem to be a big outcry about black women dating white men.


>Forgive my ignorance if it annoys anyone. But in the short time I've
>been here I've realized when it comes to race, Americans could also
>be as ignorant as the sheep I once tended.

Yeah, especially many of the people who made their own generalizations
and then accused me of said action.. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
From: sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:03:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161529.9519@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan06.013215.2528@microsoft.com> wayneh@microsoft.com (Wayne Hazle) writes:
|> >Nevertheless, you are clearly a messed up dude!  Your 
|> >SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS are some of the most pathetic ranting and ravings
|> >I have read in a long time.
|> 
|> But it's gotten a response. It forced all the people out who think it
|> is their business to dictate who black people date, and who hide this
|> attitude behind insults and claims that such black men are
|> "inadequate" - or, that they can't afford and do not deserve steak.
|> (I LOVE their analogies! If THAT wasn't pathetic, nothing is.) 
|> 
|> Messed up? Hardly. Messed up is what you call it when you have to sit
|> up at night wondering what is wrong with you because you dated someone
|> who's not black. CURED is what you call it when you tell yourself that
|> it is alright and that everyone else can kiss your butt if they do not
|> like it. 
|> 

But many people agreed that you should date whomever you want.  Many
people only denounced the rest of your pitiful note.  It's Ok to date 
whatever and whomever you want.  Just don't make sweeping generalizations
based on skin color.  "... The Content of Character and Not the Color of
the Skin ..."   Can you grasp that?

Peace.

-Sunny


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko)
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
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Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:11:02 GMT


: >Most men prefer submissive women.  

Ok, then, the vocal minority says "Bullshit".

: >This leaves black women
: >and Asian men sitting at home on Saturday nights.  Maybe they should date
: >each other. 

Great, but we all know that if a typical Asian guy brought a black girl home
(regardless of how nice, well mannered, intelligent, etc, etc, she was), both
of his parents would go into cardiac arrest and die, right there.



Clare Chu (clare@nynexst.com) wrote:

:   And Asian-American women should quit being so submissive, 

Are they?

:   or appear to be submissive and start fighting those
:   stereotypes.  

I agree that there is a need to fight these stereo types, but you seem to be
agreeing with them. The Asian-American women I know are tough!
From: cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Monee C. Kidd)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Chaney is a racist (and other ramblings) (was re: why...)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:54:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In article #22848, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
writes:

[much deleted]
.....

>Good grief.. Clarence Thomas and James Meredith.. RACISTS against
>blacks? Come on, that has got to be the most paranoid, uneducated,
>stupid statement that has ever been made on this newsgroup.

Oh....I could think of a few other candidates for _Most Paranoid,
Uneducated and Stupid Statment Posted to Social.Culture.African.
American_.....
-- 
       "Whatever happened to Peace?"    -Eric B. & Rakim
     ********    This is our year - GO CAVS!!!    ********
                         ~ mc kidd ~
~ cr614@cleveland.freenet.edu ~ kidd47@wilma.wharton.upenn.edu ~ 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:01:52 GMT

In article <ISBELL.93Jan11111938@panther.ai.mit.edu> 
isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>
>Yo! A Rapper's Domestic Policy Plan;How Clinton Can Bring Hope to
>Alienated Black America 
>By Paris 
>[insightful article deleted]

Paris speaks *true lyrics*. Is it too late to get him a cabinet appointment?
I especially liked his linking the gangsta's with Black conservatives --
a comparison that would make both groups vomit!
	Darryle
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Chaney is a racist (and other ramblings) (was re: why...)
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:59:41 GMT

In article <1ili9iINN9nu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Monee C. Kidd) writes:
>
>In article #22848, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
>writes:
>
>>Good grief.. Clarence Thomas and James Meredith.. RACISTS against
>>blacks? Come on, that has got to be the most paranoid, uneducated,
>>stupid statement that has ever been made on this newsgroup.
>
>Oh....I could think of a few other candidates for _Most Paranoid,
>Uneducated and Stupid Statment Posted to Social.Culture.African.
>American_.....

And I can think of half a dozen _Generalization Meisters Who Accused
Steve Chaney of Generalization_ .... 

What else is new?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:06:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.202122.29095@csus.edu>
chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

>To those of you who have done this and who claim to represent "black"
>America, I say "Seik Heil." 

SIEG, dammit, SIEG!! I've seen you misspell (sp? :-) this 2 or 3 times now.

	-Kenny

p.s. - My take on the issue is that I don't care whom you stick your dick
into, everybody knows sistas can be hard to get along with *sometimes*, but
I don't see brothers in droves running the hell away, either. Lay off 'em.
Maybe there's some other problem, ya know?  Dontcha still live at home?
-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Japanese American Generalizations
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:38:20 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan12.054329.14700@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara) writes:
>Maybe we need to talk more...
>
>Wataru

I wholeheartedly agree, we need to talk more with the so called "majority" in
America to help them understand and respect us as they would want us to respect
them.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:44:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>
>Russia made it easier for us during the war, no doubt, but we might
>have won with or without them, figuring in the power of the Atom. 

Would you ? (I presume the USA). Remember that Germany had the most efficient
army (10 million men ) in the world. If it was not for the ill advised conqu
est of Russia, Germany would have easily rolled over the west. Remember also
that the best scientists at the time were German or employed by the Berman.
The man who provided the key for the A-Bomb was a German who conscience would
not let him divulge it to Hitler and who Einstein enticed to America.....
Without the foreign scientists, no way would America have created the Bomb.
Many Germans I know openly disdain the rest of the world and point that they
invented 70% of science. Open any science text book and check the surnmaes
of the scientists and see for yourself.......

makala
>
One last myth that I have always resisted involves the interpretation
by some in the media that the Joe Louis - Max Schmelling fight repres
ented a comflict btween freedom and fascism. How can this be so. So Ge
rman was fascist to Jews and certain other foreigners, but what about
the legal racism that prented Harry Wills from challenging Jack Dempsey
for the title or the ones that banished Jesse Owens from the US track
team after the 36 olympics? What about the segregated army.....

I think a black South African is ill advised to vent wrath and pour scor
n on say Serbian xenophobia while some how ignoring his own conditions....




makala
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