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From: mjk@greisen.physics.utah.edu (Matthew J. Kidd)
Subject: forward/backwards clock proposal
Organization: Cosmic Ray Physics Group, University of Utah
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 04:49:05 GMT

Now that I have xboard working, I have been enjoying gnuchess a lot. I like to
play at speed chess speeds, taking back sequences of moves to interesting
positions if I have reached a materially or positionally (whether gnuchess
realizes it or not) lost position. Unfortunately, taking back sequences of
moves does not restore the time remaining for the clock used by gnuchess. So
eventually gnuchess accidently runs into time trouble and can not play at the
same level. Of course it's possible to tell gnuchess exactly how much time to
spend on every move, but I prefer to let gnuchess spend its time in a manner
logical to the program.

Can this problem be solved with reasonable effort? Are other people interested
in a backward/forward feature that accounts for time properly?
From: cm093@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Lee)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: core dump under Linxu 0.98
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:08:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I just got the most recent gnuchess release.  However, when I tyr
to run it, all hell breaks loose.  I get a core dump!  Does anyone
know why this happens?

John lee
usr7245a@cbos.uc.edu
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Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: QUG102@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Lars Moeller)
Subject: Re: forward/backwards clock proposal
Organization: Motorola
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:29:28 MST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: mjk@greisen.physics.utah.edu (Matthew J. Kidd)
Subject: forward/backwards clock proposal
Organization: Cosmic Ray Physics Group, University of Utah
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 04:49:05 GMT

Now that I have xboard working, I have been enjoying gnuchess a lot. I like to
play at speed chess speeds, taking back sequences of moves to interesting
positions if I have reached a materially or positionally (whether gnuchess
realizes it or not) lost position. Unfortunately, taking back sequences of
moves does not restore the time remaining for the clock used by gnuchess. So
eventually gnuchess accidently runs into time trouble and can not play at the
same level. Of course it's possible to tell gnuchess exactly how much time to
spend on every move, but I prefer to let gnuchess spend its time in a manner
logical to the program.

Can this problem be solved with reasonable effort? Are other people interested
in a backward/forward feature that accounts for time properly?

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From: tim.tipple@euronetis.no (Tim Tipple)
Subject: Just testing
Reply-To: tim.tipple@euronetis.no (Tim Tipple)
Organization: EuroNet Information System - Norway - +47 4 71 60 21
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:25:00 +0200


Just testing! (As described in "Zen & the Art of the Internet", by
Bredan P. Kehoe).

Tim Tipple
Internet: tim.tipple@euronetis.no
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From: anhaeupl@late.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Anhaeupl)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: Test
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:31:40 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: LATE, Univ. Erlangen-Nuernberg, Germany
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This is only a test.
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From: sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: RFC: using Texinfo and InterViews for a context-sensitive help program
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:47:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: gnu
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In article <PSHANNON.92Dec14144048@iapetus.cv.nrao.edu> pshannon@iapetus.cv.nrao.edu (Paul Shannon) writes:
>From: pshannon@iapetus.cv.nrao.edu (Paul Shannon)
>Subject: RFC: using Texinfo and InterViews for a context-sensitive help program
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:40:48 GMT
>We'd like to get comments on a small project we're about to begin.  By 
>"comments" I mean anything like
>
> 1. "this is a great idea, please let us use the code when you're done"
> 2. "this was done months ago, look at anon ftp site xxx.yyy.zzz for 
>    a copy"
> 3. "this is a stupid idea, for these reasons....."
>
>
>                A Context-sensitive help program, based upon
>                      Texinfo and InterViews

[etc. etc. read the original.]

Is there any chance it will be possible to port it to OS/2 when you're done? 
I've been busily installing GNU emacs and emx/gcc here lately and love all 
the stuff I've played with so far...

And yes, it sounds like a good idea - I say do it.

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From: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Subject: Re: Dylan supported by GNU in future ?
Reply-To: aa302@Freenet.carleton.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:20:18 GMT


In a previous article, johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) says:

>In article <F7LVVB14w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>[...]
>>I count at least three definitions of the word "free" in that single
>>paragraph.  Either you're trying to pull a fast one or you're genuinely
>>confused -- which?
>
>Please get a clue, 'free' means different things in different contexts.

  We can wish for many things, but Mathew getting a 'clue' is not likley
to ever happen.  I read his messages in amusement, and find that he is
a good example of the 'mentality' (Mental case?) that encourage the
existance of destructive companies like Apple in the first place.

>Except that GNU/FSF's 'universe' is *much* larger and they are very up
>front and honest about their goals/positions.  Apple has a very long and

  I myself use the GNU public licence in the software that I write, and
I make use of many GNU based utilities (Emacs, diff,RCS, etc - Soon GCC)
and I don't even run Unix at this point at all.  Funny, for a closed
universe it does seem to encompase pretty much everything.


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From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Dylan supported by GNU in future ?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:17:18 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
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In article <DREIER.92Dec14235242@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>Sounds almost like the strategy that some folks (can't remember the
>name of the organization right now, sorry) used a few years back.  I
>seem to remember reading some "Manifesto" or something years ago,
>promising a free Unix clone; but it seems to just have turned out to
>be a scam for getting programmers to donate their code to this
>organization and gulling idealists into proselytizing their silly
>politics.

Ah, but this organization has already indirectly produced two Unix
clones: 386bsd and Linux.  What, you say?  FSF did not produce those
systems, someone else did?  Ah, but neither of those systems would
be usable without the Gnu tools, and, in the case of 386bsd, it was
the political atmosphere created by the Gnu project that led to
enough software being made freely redistributable so that it was
feasible for the Jolitzes to finish the job.

FSF evidently changed course from the original plan, concentrating
instead on building the world's best portable C compiler.  I think
this was good strategy myself, even if it makes it easier for their
opponents to make them look bad.

And as for your last sentence: if you'd read the Gnu Manifesto, you'd
know that RMS's intention was political all along.  For something to
be a "scam", it needs to be dishonest.  RMS told you his plan and
his program up front.



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From: rittle@supra.comm.mot.com (Loren James Rittle)
Subject: Re: GNU Hello (was Re: What is what in the GNUniverse?)
Organization: Systems Technology Research, LMPS, Motorola
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:12:59 GMT

In article <CKD.92Dec16191415@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>HH> == Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@ams.sunysb.edu>
>
> HH> hello (hello!? did someone write "Hello world" in 105591 bytes
> HH> (compressed)?  I hope not!)
>
>Yes, they did.  From tar -tvf:

[tar output removed]

>They were apparently REAL bored that weekend :)

Maybe, but I suspect that in addition to being a grand joke (it
was modified by 'The King' Elvis :-), GNU Hello is the smallest
acceptable GNU program in terms of what should be included in a
release.

I, for one, am very happy to see this.

Regards,
Loren
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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Dylan supported by GNU in future ?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:58:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <F7LVVB14w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

>GNU has a history of locking people (both developers (GPL, Apple boycotts,
>etc.) and users) to a closed universe.
>
>But of course, that's *completely* different, because it's a universe *you*
>like.  Right?

The GNU universe can follow me about wherever I go in the unix world.
Parts of it can follow me about the MS-DOS, VMS, and even Macintosh
world.  That's a closed universe?  The Apple universe stays right where
Apple can control it best.  Any bits and pieces that manage to get away
from Apple's clutches are hunted down and killed by Apple's lawyers.

The Apple boycott is quite voluntary, there is nothing that the FSF can
do to anyone (except possibly "fire" volunteers, which they haven't
done) who doesn't boycott Apple.  Is being forced to use gcc because
it's the only decent compiler on some platforms the FSF's fault?  The
FSF doesn't prohibit use of gcc by anyone.  The use of the GPL is
voluntary, only code that developers which to be part of GNU need have
the GPL.  Code not part of GNU does quite well on it's own.  Has the
FSF put anyone out of business?  Would the FSF sue any company beyond
code copyright?  Suits are in any case not in the FSF's best interest,
it does not have much resources and would probably lose.  Suits are in
Apple's best interest as it has much resources and often wins.  Apple
only loses against similarly large, powerful companies.

The issue just isn't proprietary vs open, litigious vs coopertive, it's
also the corporate monolith vs the little guy.
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From: conklin@kaleida.com (J.T. Conklin)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GNU Hello (was: What is what in the GNUniverse?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:07:26
Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc.
Distribution: gnu
Reply-To: conklin@kaleida.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: talisman.kaleida.com
In-reply-to: hanche@ams.sunysb.edu's message of 16 Dec 92 22:26:32 GMT

Harald> with fancy names like ae, bison, elvis, hello (hello!? did someone
Harald> write "Hello world" in 105591 bytes (compressed)?  I hope not!), and
Harald> so on, it is not always clear what these things do.

GNU Hello is a perfect example of a package that follows the GNU
Coding Standards.  It's small, shows how to use autoconf, set up
makefiles, use changelogs, etc.

People who are develop or maintain GNU software, can use GNU hello as
a guide when they are setting up their releases.  In fact, why doesn't
the Coding Standards refer to GNU Hello???

	--jtc


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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: What is what in the GNUniverse?
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:52:29 GMT

In article <1gtflkINNn7k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, edguer@ces (Aydin Edguer) writes:
>>>Would you believe that I have already done this?
>>
>>Great!  At nic.funet.fi, we also had some feedback that the GNU
>>software distribution is not documented very well, this will help at
>>least some.
>
>Great!  Would you believe that FSF has already done this?
>
>If you check prep.ai.mit.edu in the /pub/gnu/GNUinfo directory, you will
>find a file called FTP which describes much of the software in the archive
>and how to obtain it.  You might also want to check the file named DISTRIB
>which contains an order form for the GNU tapes and manuals.

Yes, I know about the GNUinfo directory.  It is also available at
nic.funet.fi and via the gopher server at otax.tky.hut.fi I mentioned.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Re: Concerns about the FSF and the GNU project
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:03:43 GMT

The way I see this issue is as follows: If FSF/LPF fails to contact Clinton
and appraise him of the Apple situation, then the boycott is a weak excercise
in passive resistance that will cease to be weak _only_ if the general public
(_outside_ of the net, you know, John and Jane Q. Public) is made aware of
it. If you want my vote (this goes for the Green Party in america as well),
_obtain political visibility_. Otherwise, I will have about as much sympathy
for the needs of FSF/LPF as their boycott has towards myself and other Mac
developers and users.
 
I own a mac as well, but don't have a NeXT or Sun or ATT/Unix box or much
of anything else besides an old IMSAI S-100 box; I intend to port GNU to it
if just to have a solid way of porting apps away from it, however, like
Jurgen Botz, I like my mac which means that porting things away will not
be its only use.
 
Apple's port of GCC for MPW limits it to produce code only for the mac and
prevents it from becoming a cross compiler; my port will be _much_ more
useful since it will be cross-capable as originally intended and the compiler
itself will be unmodified so as to make trivial the incorporation of future
versions of GCC. (Apple, in its finite wisdom chose to modify the compiler
itself to produce code for a limited assembler that is dumb about variable
references, namely MPW Assembler.)

In summary, _please_ contact Clinton! I'm all for freedom for programmers,
however I am excercising mine now.
From: dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: gcc and Solaris
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:06:20 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


Does anyone know if the gcc compiler for Solaris is out yet? (preferably
Solaris 2.1)  If so, where can you get it?

Thanx,



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From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: texinfo manual for C library functions
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:29:52
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
	<1992Dec15.042930.23371@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
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In-reply-to: lynbech@daimi.aau.dk's message of Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:08:22 GMT

We're already working on a library reference.  A substantial portion of it
has been written.
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: stanleyr@kramden.nyu.edu (Rick Stanley)
Subject: GNU RCS for DOS
Summary: GNU RCS for DOS Wanted
Keywords: GNU RCS 
Organization: New York University
Distribution: USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:23:16 GMT

I am interested in obtaining the DOS port of GNU's RCS.  If anyone knows
where I may obtain it, please send me email as to it's location.

I can ftp or d/l from a BBS.  Thank you in advance.

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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Re: Dylan supported by GNU in future ?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:54:16 GMT

I want the best of all universes and I refuse to be locked into or out of
any.
Xref: sparky gnu.misc.discuss:4038 comp.sys.sun.misc:5898
From: N.Davis@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: quality of GNU stuff vs. Sun OS stuff
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:26:38 GMT
Reply-To: N.Davis@lut.ac.uk (Neil Davis)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

In article <1992Dec7.234628.2941@fulcrum.oz.au> paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham) writes:
>joshua@Veritas.COM (Joshua Levy) writes:
>
>> [ Included stuff deleted. ]
>
>>I'll third it.  At a previous company, I came up with an interesting idea
>>for a product, which would have required shipping GNU stuff.  The managers
>>said something like this: we asked the lawyers this before, and they said
>>no, so we are not going to ask them again.  
>
>It is expensive to ask lawyers anything.
>
>-PaulR.


 I raised this question with the Cygnus guys at the Sun User show
in San Jose, and they assured me that if I build a product using
GNU stuff, then I have to ship the src. *BUT* I do not have to ship
the src to my application. This has been checked out by various
legal eagles including those of a certain large (though getting smaller :-)
computer company.

 
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: slhpv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: texinfo manual for C library functions
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:44:00 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Has anyone created a texinfo file which documents the functions, types, and
macros contained in a normal set of include files?

If not, is there any interest in having access to such documentation?

Specifically what I had in mind was a 'manual' organized according to
include library, and indexed off function names.  A figure a typical entry
would look like this:

						<stdio.h>
Overview:
	stdio.h contains functions for handling I/O to normal files....

Types:
	FILE	- structure used to hold information about a file
	etc.

Constants:
	NULL	- used to represent an empty pointer
	etc.

Functions:
	int fgets(char *string, int length, FILE *infile)
		- reads characters from infile until a '\n' is encountered
		or length characters have been read. These characters are
		placed in string followed by a '\0'.
	etc.

Macros:
	you get the idea...

Does anyone know of such a beast, either in print or online.  Is anyone
interested in having such a thing?  Is anyone interested in helping to
create such a thing?

-Dave
From: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Adding Dutch wordlist to ispell???
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:47:21 GMT
Reply-To: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <4851@svin09.info.win.tue.nl> robg@info.win.tue.nl writes:
>In article <4848@svin09.info.win.tue.nl> devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet) writes:

>Yes, BUT the affix file needs some tuning. nispell gives a.o.:
>
>	word		nispell suggestion
>
>	bloeiende	0: bloeien-de	1: bloeien de
>	equivalenties	0: equivalentie
>	intensievere	0: intensieve-re  1: intensiever  2: intensieve re
>	opener		0: open-er  1: openen  2: open er
>	Eindhoven	0: Eind-hoven  1: Eind hoven

These symptoms are ispell problems and have nothing to do with the affixfile
(I think). If it doesn't know Eindhoven it tries to make it from two known
words. The main annoying problem with nispell is the dutch language itself
where compositions of words are written as one word which needs to be stored
separately in the word list.

I have an extended affixfile with enhancements by Rob Hooft, but it is still
not ready for release :-( It only reduces the hashed dictionary.

Arjan
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Dylan supported by GNU in future ?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:38:35 GMT

In article <DREIER.92Dec14235242@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
[...]
>Sounds almost like the strategy that some folks (can't remember the
>name of the organization right now, sorry) used a few years back.  I
>seem to remember reading some "Manifesto" or something years ago,
>promising a free Unix clone; but it seems to just have turned out to
>be a scam for getting programmers to donate their code to this
>organization and gulling idealists into proselytizing their silly
>politics.

Not quite.  GNU sofware is 'free'.  Dylan as a language is disputably free.
Dylan as an implementation may or may not be free (depending on your
requirements, the specific implementation, etc.)  And the OS and hardware
platform is most certainly not free.  GNU tools are free.  The promised GNU
Hurd will be free.  GNU software runs on a great many hardware/OS platforms
(no not free but there's a lot of competition) and has a tradition
('history' if you will) of very open behavior.  Apple has a history of
locking people (both developers (look'n'feel, patents, etc.) and users) to
a closed universe.  That seems like a big difference to me.

Of course the underlying marketing concept is similar.  So what?  Marketing
is a tool to be used to promote you 'product'.  I was (clearly?) *not*
attacking this form a marketing but the company (in this case Apple) using
it to gain the 'hearts and minds' of developers for a proprietary platform.

If Dylan, as a language, proves to be useful then I (will) give credit to
Apple for that achievement (yea [sarcasticly said]).  That changes my
opinion of them as a company not one whit (I give them great credit for a
number of excellent marketing coups but so what? :-).

Thanks,
	John

P.S.	I'm speaking solely for myself.

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