From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 05:00:00 GMT

in <ewright.726878069@convex.convex.com>
    ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
 
] In <1993Jan11.234650.27620@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
]     tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
]
] >Well, if that's the definition of attractiveness that you use and it
] >works for you, well, then I guess you have easilly quantified tastes.
]
] That's not my definition.  It's society's.
 
Oh, I see.  So why aren't Bev Francis or Jan Todd appearing on the covers
of fashion magazines and in centerfolds instead of the women who are?
 
] >No one else I know uses such a standard of attractiveness--
]
] Really?  You're saying Madison Avenue spends billions of dollars
] promoting an image that won't appeal to most people?
 
Sure, they appeal to a common denominator enough that most everyone will
find them at least reasonably pleasant to look at--this doesn't mean
that they are every individual's ideal or even most people's ideal.
Unfortunately for the Madison Avenue types, people have very widely
varying tastes--I know women whose turn-ons are large noses; others who
are into really thin guys with long, stringy hair; one who likes plump
shoulders; others who like balding men--however, if you were to get a
really thin guy who is balding but has long stringy hair around the
edges, a large nose and plump shoulders, he probably wouldn't make it
very far as a fashion model.
 
In a way, top models are kind of like vanilla ice cream--unlikely to
offend, but few people's particular favorite.  Remember also that there
are many qualities that most people find more important than physical
form in a mate.  (OK, I should qualify that--many people think it is
important that a mate have at least *some* physical form (though
aetherial lovers will never go completely out of fashion) and some
people do put a lot of importance on whether their lovers are male or
female.)
 
] Spend a couple hours watching that media you pimp to other people.
] Forget the programs, just flip from one channel to another watching
] the commercials.  What do you see?
]
] One of the most popular commercials right now shows a female runner
] in a skin tight leotard, saying "I believe sweat is sexy."  (Ugh!
] Makes you wonder what she thinks about lymph, bile, urine, pus, and
] other bodily fluids.)
 
Ugh?  I don't mind sweat under the right circumstances--indeed, there
are a few bodilly fluids that I don't find unattractive at all in a
romantic partner, if the situation merits them.
 
] >in particular, I'm still laboring under the problem that none of the women
] >I find especially attractive meet our cultural ideal,
]
] Why is that a problem?  If you find her attractive, why is it
] important whether or not she meets the cultural ideal.  (Apart
] from the fact that you either don't understand, or are reluctant
] to admit, what the cultural ideal *is*.)
 
Sorry; 'twasn't actually a problem, just my using a little dash of
sarcasm.
 
Trygve
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