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From: pclai@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (poon chor  LAI (Antony))
Subject: Internet in Hong Kong
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:49:17 GMT


After I post about internet in Hong Kong, several people ask me to forward them
any information. I think many people want to know about that, but doesn't post
question. Therefore, I want somebody out there could help us.

After My first posting, I received two e-mail. The senders agreed to post them 
to this news group.

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The following is the first mail I received.
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>In soc.culture.hongkong you write:
>
>
>>I have a few questions about internet in Hong Kong:
>
>>1) Is there any FREE internet services in Hong Kong.
>>        ( I need e-mail, if ftp is available, that is prefect.)
>
>>2) If no Free internet service, what is the charges?
>
>>3) Is there any bbs in Hong Kong is internet available?
>
>>Please post or e-mail the answer to me.
>>My e-mail address is : pclai@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
>
>>Thanks
>
>
>1) There is NO Free internet services in hk except you borrow
>your friends account.
>
>2) I don't know
>
>3) The only "internet" related stuffs available in hk bbs
>is net mail service, which allow you send email to an
>internet address or fidonet address.  But the only bbs
>provide this service(from my limited knowledge) is
>HK PC USER GROUP.  They charges annual membership fee
>HK$400 and hk$100 email deposit. e.g if you send an
>email to a friend in north america, it will cost you
>HK$2.5 for each message(any length,max 16k?)
>this is the only thing i know.
>
>                   Paul Mak
>                   12/10/92
>
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The following is the second mail I received.
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>
>Hi, here is a phone number which might help you connect to a bbs in HK.
>
>  (852( 890 4090
>
>Hope this helps!  ;-)
>
>BTW, since I don't use it myself, so I am not sure if this will charge you
>any, because the site for this bbs is at hk.
>
>Cheers.
>Chris.
>


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Further questions:
1) As I kown, there a bbs (may be it is not a bbs) in Hong Kong call CompuServ...
   Could it connect to Internet?

2) What is the charges?

3) Could I got an account in CUHK or USTHK? I know they can do all internet
   things. 


I want to thank Paul Mak and Chris here, and merry X'Mas to everyone.

My X'Mas wish: Someone post information about internet in Hong Kong. 




Antony LAI.

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If you have any information,

Please POST

or 

send e-mail to 

    pclai@descartes.uwaterloo.ca

and copies to 

    ccdgc@dct.ac.uk
    kitchoy@eng.buffalo.edu
    silly123@u.washington.edu
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:19:14 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <5ce68c7f.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com>, chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.150401.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
|> >In article <5cdc3b9a.1b2f0@digital.sps.mot.com>, chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes:
|> >>                                                              To believe
|> >> British government (or Patten for that matter) is really interested in
|> >> bringing democracy to HK and cares about HK people is no different than a wet
|> >> dream to a teenage boy.  
|> 
|> >> I'll believe the British government's sincere interest for democracy when the
|> >> monarchic system is replaced and the Queen and her family start paying taxes
|> >> like everybody else does.
|> 
|> >I feel a little bit upset that in your rational sentences using the word
|> >teenage boy to indicate HKer.
|> 
|> You seem to misunderstand my posting.  I did not imply HKers are teenage boy
|> but rather pointing out BG and Chris Patten are **not** sincerely interested
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> helping HK to achieve democracy.  To believe so is no different than a
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What sincerity do you want? I don't expect 100% sincerity in politics, go to some 
charity organisation you might be able to find. On the other hand,
establishing a more democracy governing structure in HK would certainly be helpful
for the developments in Hong Kong. 

By the way, is CCP sincerely interested in helping HK in that aspect? Is CCP
sincerely working for the people in China?

"Sincerity" could be a naive and delusive term in politics.

|> teenage boy having a wet dream.  There is no doubt HK people need democracy
|> now, they and all Chinese need it fifty years ago.  However, why all the
|> suddent BG starts caring about HKers and trying to bring democracy to HK just
|> before they are going to leave?  I just can't stand the typical British
|> hypocracy -- trying to rip-off and destroy its colony before leaving in the
|> name of democracy.

The spirit of democracy is to let the people to decide. You are allowed to present
your views, so is BG and CCP, let HK people to choose then.

Lini Can
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: An answer to all responses
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:16:21 GMT

hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:

>Dear Shit-worm (again):


>     Just curious:  How much time did you spent licking Uncle Deng's foot?
>I guess you missed the taste really bad lately.  Otherwise you won't defend
>CCP so blindly to a point of nuts.

>     You have a very bright future in China, young man, keep you licking job
>well done!


I must say I am flattered ! I don't think you are even fit to do
that licking job. You are only fit to lick Patten's .....  :)


>- Louis Pang


>P.S.  Since 95% of the articles posted by you are simply pointless, I'd do the
>      same to you from now on to make you feel how annoying it is.

>      The other 5% do have points, but are all void.

As you wish, Sir. Your articles are all confined within the
'colonial skirts' environment anyway. So what points 
you are talking about ? Stick you head out, then perhaps you 
may annoy me .

Have a good day hiding under the 'skirt'. It sure is
secure & comfortable .
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:14:11 EST
From: <CIVL283@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,
Subject:    Margaret Lee, where are you?

Margaret Lee Mau Kei, has anyone seen her, or know where she is?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ylnwai@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Newton Wai)
Subject: Re: Movies ( Chinese or English )
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:35:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.091303.14881@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng10185@nusunix1.nus.sg (FONG FU KIN) writes:
>       
> This year 1992 is coming to an end. This is the time to have a
> conclusion of the movies shown in 1992. Pls send here the 'Best 5 / 10
> Movies' you like as well as your comments on them. 
> In this year, I like ' Shum Sai Goon ' (sorry i don't know the English
> title) the most. 

	That's a good one. My other favourites this year are :
	(in no particular order)


	Hard Boiled head (Chow Yun Fat, Leung Chiu Wai)
	New Dragon Inn (Tony Leung, Maggie Cheung, Lim CHing Ha)
	92 Black rose vs Black Rose
	Asian Invincible (Lim Ching Ha, Lee Lin Kit)
	Wong Fei Hong Part II

						Newton Wai
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: An answer to all responses
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:07:44 GMT

wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:

>You seems to be only able to yell other people but without points.
>I don't know what is you purposes of posting these things here?

Yelling ? Of course not ! Hiding your head under the thick
colonial skirts would be able to hear anyway ! What's for
wasting my throat ?

Apparently another arrogant Hongkie who collaborates with
Lin Can to defend his 'master'. Colonial rule certainly
has done irrepairable damage to one's brain.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay II (Chris Patten)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:02:31 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <3472@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
|> cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
|> 
|> >Talk about the priviledge of the British, I read this from the autobiography
|> >of the chairman of YaoHan group (Bak Bak Poon or Eight Hundred Friend).  His
|> >book mostly talked about his vision of the 21st Centuary and he wanted to
|> >build YanHan as an international group with a stronghold in the booming China
|> >market.  So he move his headquarter to HK in ~1990.  The move was greeted 
|> >with lot of enthusiam from both the British, the local Chinese and the mainland
|> >Chinese.  He related a couple of stories (my paraphrase):
|> 
|> >1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
|> >   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
|> >   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
|> >   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
|> >   home to him, a Japanese ...
|> 
|> >2. .. he was invited to join the VIP members of Jockey Club .. he was the
|> >   only Japanese ... the others in the VIP club that he can see are all white ..
|> 
|> He. He .. He...........
|> 
|> I wonder what have Lin Can , Ho Sampang , etc . etc. ..... got
|> to say now !  May be they will argue (just for argument sake) that
|> they are scare of height. I know you will come out with some
|> intelligent answers (not stupid answers like mine); being excellent
|> defenders of your masters.

I doubt very much about the stories cited. As far as I am aware of, there is no
racial discrimination policies in HK, although I believe the richer people can
live in better place. I don't think rich and influential figures like Bao Yu Gang
or Run Run Shaw would not be admitted to these clubs if they want to. 

|> You people from Hongkong ( most of you anyway) have a sick
|> attitude which no word in the dictionary can describe well.

It doesn't really matter where you come from, stupidity only associate with
individuals.

Lin Can
From: Raju.Daryanani@p309.f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: DATA: largest world economies
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:23:40 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Dec 10 16:02>, Heng-Hsin Liao of 6:700/1.300 writes:

 HL> From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
 HL> Organization: AT&T Bell Lab

 HL> Ha. Did you notice there is a keyword "horse" in your example 
 HL> argument. There is no common keyword in my previous argument. 
 HL> It's different.

 HL> Give another example, by the same token. (Strictly, if you will,)
 HL> German only associate with Germany. Austria is not part of 
 HL> Germany. Therefore Austrian is not German. Agree?

I don't know what your logic is trying to prove, but your example doesn't
support.  Neither the Austrians nor the Germans consider Austrians to be
German.  Though myself and some Germans used to tease an Austrian that his country
was a part of Germany but he just didn't know it yet!

Raju 
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From: poon@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong Poon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Anonymous news posting service (Re: Forged Account Name)
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:42:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <eln235s.724582591@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Humphrey Hui) writes:

>Recently, someone suggested that some account likes "J*** C*** 1234" could
>be forged. Apparently, I received a mail from "J*** C*** 2" from an account
>within my campus.

It is easy to send fake mails.

>I used "finger @@node_name" to check the user information. However, I
>could get the information about many users but not the one who mailed to
>me. I asked the people around, they said the account would probably 
>be "forged". From my short stay in soc.culture.hongkong, I have never 
>experienced such matter. 
>
>Some people from PRC even said it was natrual and around 30% of the 
>postings used forged account name. [I don't know what groups he reads, but
>you can have your wild guess.]
>
>Anyway, does anyone out there have such experienced on forged account?
>
>BTW, what kind of mentality is that to used a forged account name to
>post/mail something could be insulting? Is it usual for the computer
>administration to ban such forging?

There is an anonymous news posting.  Send a mail to help@anon.penet.fi
to find that out.  Some people may have good reasons posting news
anonymously.  Everyone has his/her own choice.

>[P.S. : I am posting from my REAL account!]

No need to say that (:

Have fun!!!

							Poon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: an answer to all response
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:31:00 EST

In Article: <3461@peking.gdwb.oz.au>
   Subject: An answer to all responses
      From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:


>Forced by circumstances, I would rather be CCP running dog
>rather than British running dog !

Your willingness to became a memmber of the running dog team
will be given first consideration by the party.   :-)

>Lin Can't, you definitely suffer from inferiority complex;

Where is your evidence to support such a claim? It is well known public
knowledge that inferiority complex is the monopoly of CCP and it's
various running dogs.

Lately, it seems that the CCP's hardliners are running out of their
supply of good dogs in North America...  Is that the reason we see some
new dogs from Europe and Japan, and even the world down-under?   :)

>just as the British suffer from "superiority" complex.

British had become true lame duck these days, humiliation by the CCP?
maybe, "superiority"?  can only be engendered in the eyes of those
who suffer from inferiority complex.       :)

>Though I would rfrain from using the words " running dogs",

This is true, you only mentioned it twice, and regarding yourself in
both cases.  My complements.  :)

>but at least Jian Chen is not hookwinked by the British
>like you do. He knows what he is writing.

That's your opinion, I do not agree.

>See what I meant by "history' repeats itself ?

You mean the repeated purging of it's own party secretaries within the
CCP? or the repeated massacre of Chinese people in 1950-53, 1957-58.1959-62,
1966-1976, February the 22nd 1968 in Xining, April the 5th 1976 Tiananmen,
June the 4th 1989 Tiananmen?

>You want to forgive & forget about all the opium wars & what not; that
>is fine. But have they really turned over a new leaf ?

Your assumption were wrong, we shall never get history, just like we
shall not forget the June 4th massacre, the Nanking massacre.

>You don't seem to know what is going on in this world. Do you know that
>it was the USA who initiated the massacre of Chinese in INdonesia ?
(slightly different issue, but along the similar line).

Did you mean Indonesia? I thought Dutch was the first colonist who had
occupied Indonesia.....  well... you are absolutely right, you don't
seem to know what is going on in this world.  :)

rest lines deleted for brevity.
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From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:59:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: My dismay II (Chris Patten)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

The situation for democratic reform among Hong Kong people is quite clear.
Most Hong Kong people want more democracy (more than 80 %) now and support
the reform proposed by Patten. It is after the reaction from China that some
people change their mind. There are two unknown outcome we are considering.
1. China would not change her mind.
2. China softern her postion a little bit (certainly, CCP would not be 
   happied).

If 1, shall we press just to show our force. Some people think that it is 
not worth to do so because we would anger the CCP. And cause damage to
ourselves. But if we don't press, certainly we would not get 2. All of us
are wondering what is the real baseline of China.

From the posting of schk, Hong Kong netter are generally divided into the
above two groups (press on and not worth). But the voices from mainlander
have the same tone. Even some of the more open-mind mainlander whom I think
is quite conservative in my opinion. If what they typed are same as those
in the CCP government. I am not surprised that the talks between UK and
China goes nowhere because the gap is so large.
 
I believe that if some of us (I meant those guys in HK) can talk to old 
Deng directly. We can have a better chance to win over some seats in the
council. But the trouble seems that Mr. Deng is the sole decision maker and
he is out of touch. Whenever we suggested a good / bad idea, it may be
distorted before reaching him (for those try to defence him in 6.4, this
is a good example). It is sad that China is ruled in this stupid system.

In principle, China > Chinese Government > CCP > central committee > Mr. Deng.

But in reality, it is the other way round.

Yuk Chan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: I am tired...
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:39:17 GMT

I am tried. I am during my exam period. At leisure time, I look at
SCHK. Ugh!!!!! So many political discussions!
I remembered once upon a time, I argued with my friends whether there
exist a God. After a year or two, I felt tired. My viewpoint is:
'what the hell is going to do with me if there is a God or not?'
Today, I run into the same situation, but arguing about politics.
Having so sure that there will be no unique solution, I am so bored.
I liked to hear what is happening in Hong Kong, just that simple.
But recently SCHK goes into dicussion of massive politic issues.
Originally, I usually ignore any political issues, but, WHO made me
fall into this never-end political issues?
I only want to continue my life, peacefully. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
Subject: Re: Xmas
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:51:36 GMT

shafung@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Fung) writes:

> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
> >Hey!  Proud christian,
> >(which would include more than 99% of all Chinese).
> >A less offensive greeting would be ...
> >     Happy Holidays.
> >Go back to your church and pray to you
> >white god.  Leave the rest of us alone.
> 
> What year is this year?
> Don't tell me it's 1992,it's based on Christ's birthday, say year of 
> whatever-animal. It's more oriental-to you.

        Please do not get so flustered in front of these comments.  It 
only brings you down to his/her level if you decide to flame back.  Let 
him/her say whatever..you can't stop that.
        But realize...they can't stop you from proclaiming your beliefs 
either...so please do it in a manner fitting to your beliefs.

MERRY CHRISTMAS...May the Lord our God bless each and everyone of you 
reading this message.  And may He bring you peace to your hearts wherever
you are.

j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leong@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Kee Hoe LEONG)
Subject: looking_for_boyfriend
Summary: boyfriend?
Keywords: looking_for_boyfriend
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:50:03 GMT

Hello:
 My name is Jenny Wong and i am an Australian Chinese (from Hong Kong).
 I am an Uni first year commerce student (1992). I study in Melbourne,vic.
 I am looking for a boyfriend age 23 or over. If anyone interested ,mail to
 wjenny@nyx.cs.du.edu ,tell me about your address(mail),e_mail address,
 age,height and occupation.



 with love,
 jenny Wong.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: alaw@elaine10.Stanford.EDU (Alvin Law)
Subject: Re: New albums release news
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
	<1992Dec15.154444.5954@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
	<1992Dec15.164124.12953@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:57:46


y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>whleung@bcarh466.bnr.ca (Wai-Hung Leung) writes:
>>91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk writes:
>>>OK, I just heard that Andy's album will release on Friday, and Leon's too (I
>>>really wonder this news about Leon's album, I think he released his album not
>>>long ago...anyway
>>
>>Hmmm, I was told that his last album has only 2 new songs, and
>>that doesn't prevent his fans to buy it.  Hey, *it* includes a
>>booklet of his pictures! (Impression I get from talking with my 
>>friends who are his fan is that they talk more about the pictorial 
>>than the songs, funny eh?) If he has included all these new songs,
>>he could not make yet another round of profit, right?

>Do you mean that the two new songs would be 'The true me' and 'Pretending'?

"The True Me" and "Pretending" are Andy's new songs.  What Mr. Leung
referred to are "My Dear" and "Falling in Love in One Night", which
are Leon's new songs.  I think those two songs, as well as the
pictorial, are targeted specifically for his concert back in October.
His new album would definitely include "I Love ichiban", his most
recent hit.  Polygram might even include the two "new" songs from his
last album considering his last album release (excluding his pictorial
collection) was only 6 months ago.



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From:  (john)
Subject: rep. Multiculturalism in HK
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:48:55 GMT

     I've read your article and I like it very much!  At least You let me
know that there is someone that cares about this multicultural issue.  I
think you're right!  Chinese people, especially Hk people should change
their way of thinking.  They shouldn't be so selfish, and they should start
to accept others' culture.  You know something, Chinese people have been
thinking all the time that our way , our culture is the best. 
Anthropologists call this behavior as 'Ethnocentrism'.  Yes, there are
culture, values as well as norms which are really good about us.  But we
shouldn't discriminate others' culture.  Even though we think that they are
no good, we have to respect them because these are their ways of living. 
We always say that our people are being discriminated in foreign land.  But
we never think how much discrimination we've done on foreigners.  As
Chinese, we have our weakness too, don't you think so?