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From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Old A1000 demos
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:51:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr8.145126.5875


	You bet I would be interested in any old Amiga 1000 demos, as long as
they work on my A2000.  Even if they don't, I can give them to a friend of mine
who has an A1000.
			Thanx,
			       :-)	Kyle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: r1jgw@VAX1.uakron.edu (Jon G Wesley)
Subject: amiga meeting!
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Distribution: akr
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:40:13 GMT

Attention all akron area amiga users.
 There will be a computer meeting in akron every second sunday of the month.
 We will get together to trade software and review new products. The group
 is available to anyone who wants to come. Please email me for directions or
 if you have any other questions. If you know of anyone who has an amiga please
 forward this message to them!!!
        thanks ,
            Jon
*also, if you do not have an amiga and would like to see one in action leave me
 mail also.
From: Mark_Skaff@softworx.access (Mark Skaff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:39:40 PST
Organization: Subterrainian Softworx BBS

In a message dated Wed  8 Apr 92 09:07, Cython@ais.org (tim Devlin) wrote:

> minutes at a time.  Have you ever seen a Viedo Toaster Equepted Amiga
being
> used by VERY professional people who would NOT even consider an MS-DOS
> computer for the kind of work they have to do?  Prehaps in your

But what would Amiga users say if they did not have the Video Toaster to
defend them? Sure; Maybe the Video Toaster is a major _video_ adapter for
computers, but who needs video? People don't exactly go to work and use
Video Toasters - Granted, some people do use them at home, but it is still
not a major thing. MS-DOS based machines may have disadvantages, but they
have one main advantage that outweighs all other computers; The
compatibility and wise usage of it.

Only recently I realize, "Have I made a mistake in buying an Amiga?".





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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: ProWrite NLQ Printing Problem (PLEASE Read!)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:03:55 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

taa33@isuvax.iastate.edu (Devin E. Parsons) writes:

>I know this is not an answer to the above question, but it is a good point
>to expound on the virtues of FinalCopy1.3.  This program prints sooooooo
>much better than ProWrite and Excelance!2.0!  I use a HP DeskJet+ and
>FinalCopy makes the output look like a PostScript (ok, allmost like a PS) 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nice if you can get it to print...

>printer.  In addition the program is VERY stable and east to use, and
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This must have changed *drastically* since 1.2, then.  1.2 died more than it
ran ... or I should say ... it died every time it ran on my 5 meg A500... :)

>support is good, too.  In fact I got an update that I did not have to ask for
>only 1.5 weeks after I mailed my card in!  The real cream is it is only
>US$59 from AmigaMan mail order...I would highly recomend it to any Pro, E2.0,
>or even WordPerfect user.  The only 'bad' aspect is it will not do automatic
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>placement of footnotes or endnotes.  Maby for V1.4?? 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Pity.  It's still useless then. 

The bottom line:  Get FC if you have a 3000 or an accelerator board, 2.0, and
can live with it's lack of features.  Else, wait around for something better.
(Maybe Softwood'll get the message and make FC better?)  

*donning flameproof suit now*

>*         Devin E. Parsons                                / /          *
>*        (perfered E/M address)   TAA33@IUSVAX    \ \  / /             *

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From: opnsmurf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Da Smurf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good! [REDIRECT]
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:21:00 GMT
Organization: ... or lack thereof.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr7.121925.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>, c9228224@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (McLeod) writes...
`> 
`>  Has anyone ever noticed how Amiganites seem to think that Amigas' are
`>the best computers around, despite the fact that no self-respecting business
`>would go near them? I mean, lets face it, Amiga's are nothing compared with
`>MS-DOS machines. And, they never will be. Oh sure, they have such pretty 
`>graphics, but that doesn't mean zip when it comes down to how good they are 
`>to use, now does it?! So come on all you egotistical Amiga users. Get your
`>heads out of the sand and face facts. Amigas' are nothing, they never will be
`> and haven't a chance in hell at ever being any better then MS-DOS machines.
`>  
`>     Face facts, guys.
`>         MR B.

please move this to alt.stupidity... where it belongs.

Jm.
From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: IDE drive in A600 (was: Re: A600 specs)
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:51:09 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

Every time I here someone bash C=, it gives me echoes of 1989.  In 1989, the
A3000 and the toaster were still vaporware, and the rumors of 2.0 that came
out referred to it as 1.4.  At this time *everyone* said "Wake up CBM! You are
losing market share to the clones!"  Now, in 1992, with a 24 bit Amiga around
the corner, *everyone* is saying, "Wake up CBM! You are losing market share to
the clones!"  This is BS, pure and simple.  Commodore is considered the hot
stock to buy this year by numerous investment analysts.  Also, remember that
*no* computer company comes out with new product every week.  In 1988-89, CBM
spent a lot of time working on 2.0, networking, the A3000, etc.  As a result,
in mid 1990, loads of new products came out.  Soon after that, the Toaster
came out.  In 1991, the A3000T came out.  When it comes to multimedia, the
Amiga is still the acknowledged king.  In desktop video, it is virtually
impossible to do video on any system unless it has an Amiga involved(don't
forget, every toaster workstation is an A2000 in disguise).  Now, CBM is
pouring development money into the next generation of Amigas, which, going by
past Amigas, will probably wind up being the next standard for high speed
graphics, animation, and sound.  I had an IBM user come up to me today and say
"There are no standards for multimedia."  I just had to chuckle, knowing that
the platform I use for multimedia is a standard unto itself.
 
John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: umoster0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sean K. Ostermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Zoom that works on the PasTeX archives
Summary: Hellllpppppp!
Keywords: Zoom PasTeX
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:59:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

I need an eariler version of Zoom to unpack the PasTeX archives.
(I assume that the .zom ==> Zoom).
I have Zoom version 5.3 and it says it won't work.  What version do I nned?
Any help would be appreciated (plus if you can tell me where I can find it!)
Sean
====================================
University of Manitoba
Computer Engineering
====================================
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From: mohrc@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Is there a track type loader for MOD files
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:44:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Apr12.004435.10891
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

Is there a program that will play mod files as it loads the file? i have
a very large mod file and when i try to play it i run out of chip mem
(mod music file)

thanks
mohrc@nyssa.cs.orst.edu
From: wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: programming
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:43:35 GMT
Reply-To: wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Organization: Elfie

In article <1992Apr7.235840.5827@bsu-ucs.uucp> 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
[Stuff deleted]
>	Unlike any C, Fortran, Pascal, other BASIC, or Arexx language or even
>object-orientated languages (cando, AmigaVision, etc.)  Thereby putting the

These are hardly object-oriented languages.  They just have pretty pictures
instead of text.  I suppose you could call them "icon-oriented languages,"
though.  <grin>

[more stuff deleted]

;You are entering a world of nested parentheses, a world of maddening confusion
;and ludicrous orthagonality.  Beyond this comment line lies - the LISP zone!
(set! addresses '("jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu" "wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu"))
(define (mail address)
  (cond ((list address) (exec "mail" (car address)) (mail (cdr address)))
  (T ())))
(mail addresses)
(= (! '42) (* '42 ... (* '2 (* '1 '1)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
From: d.doherty@bamp.berlinet.in-berlin.de (Paul David Doherty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: BinHex Decoder needed
Reply-To: d.doherty@bamp.berlinet.in-berlin.de
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:02:00 MET
Distribution: COMP
Organization: Mailbox BAMP im Zerberus-Netz
X-Version: ZerUU V6.45c

Hello folks,

I can't find a decoder for binaries encoded with the program BinHex 4.0.

If you have such a program, please send it to me (or tell me were I can
FTP it).

Thanks a lot,

David
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kyp@stsci.edu (Mark Kyprianou)
Subject: Where can I find ZKick?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:57:17 GMT

Title says it all, where can I find ZKick?  Please email.
		thanks

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From: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Display tooltypes?
Summary: try AUTOSCROLL=TRUE
Keywords: Display, autoscroll
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:26:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.30339
Reply-To: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr13.093135.1@qis.dofasco.ca> radnor_j@qis.dofasco.ca writes:
>The Display command documented in the 2.0 Manual in the AmigaDos section 
>states that to show a picture that is larger than screensize, use the "opt a"
>option, ie. Display pic.iff opt a.
>
>Question: How do you specify "opt a" from the workbench for pics that have
>a default tool of Display. Or, in other words, does Display support any 
>Tooltypes?
>
>Or maybe Display isn't the tool of choice. If not what is? Superview?
>
>John Radnor                     ///                  | A satisfied customer. We
>(Radnor_J@qis.dofasco.ca) __   ///   ONLY Amiga      | should have him stuffed.
>                          \\\ /// makes it possible! |
>                           \\X//                     |--Fawlty Towers

No, no, Display is the tool of choice!   ;-)

Display does take a number of Tool Types, one of which will do what you want.
Just add the AUTOSCROLL=TRUE Tool Type to the Display icon, and you can auto-
scroll around your superbitmaps to your heart's content.

Someday--someday soon perhaps--Commodore will ship all its WB programs with
their icons containing all their possible Tool Types.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ross Hippely:							Technical Writer
employed by, not speaking for:			Commodore Business Machines Inc.
From: aces@mcode.amdahl.com (Jeffrey D. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A problem with a GVP accellerator and a IDE hard drive
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: jds30@amail.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale Ca.

In article <9204091601.AA02172@enterprise.acc.uwrf.edu>, brian.s.mogged@UWRF.EDU writes:
> 
> 	I have a gvp 68030 accellerator running at 28 mhz with 8 megs on board
> with an IDE hard drive installed on it.  The problem is that, almost randomly, 
> the harddrive will lock up and the hard drive light will stay on.  This does it
> on read and writes!!!  I had to recover my hard drive many times with 
> QuarterBack Tools after having writes that failed.  The problem occurs to my 
> knowlege when it hits long files greater than 100,000 bytes.  I have looked up 
> the manual to check this problem out but I do not find one single refernece to
> solution to this problem.  I have tried the hard drive on an ICD controller it 
> works beautifully (the only reason why I have it on the accellerator right now 
> is the IDE controller will not work with the accelerator simotanously).
> 
>   I would like some help on this problem, please.  
> 		Thanks in Advance
> 			Brian.S.Mogged@uwrf.edu
That problem also happens to me when the drive is not otherwise
forgetting my data.  Someone told me that the lock-up is caused
by auto disconnect/reconnect which GVP doesn't handle correctly.
I turned off that option in the RDB, but the problem still happens,
especially when I'm trying to reload the drive from tape.

I'm using a Quantum 105S with 33Mhz GVP '030 Combo board with 3.0 SCSI rom.
From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Maybe a revival of comp.[binaries|sources].amiga is in order
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:05:33 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

I don't think it's the programmers' fault for the lack of activity on the
sources|binaries groups.  Remember who the moderator/admin of those groups
was?  Our friend Tad.  When he made his announcement that someone would
have to take over for him, he did say that there was a backlog of stuff
to go through.  I'm not begrudging Tad one bit...he did a great job, it's
just that running ab20 and the newsgroups were too much for one person,
unless you're a complete and chronic insomniac.  :)

Once the newsgroups get a new volunteer for an admin person and site, I'm
sure that things will start to flow again.

    Daryl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: seh@pmafire.inel.gov (Steve Holaday)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 18:29:38 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: A600 specs
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: Wimpy Power Supplies

In article <1992Apr7.153431.25384@cs.rose-hulman.edu> gunnbr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Brian R Gunn) writes:
>
>I was referring to the wimpy power supplies on the 500 and the 64.  Sounds  
>to me like the 600 will be another one of those machines that Commodore  
>assumes will remain bare bones, and therefore provide a wimpy power  
>supply.
>
>Brian
I think you also forgot the wimpy A590 power supply.  I bought 2 MB of ram
chips for it last November that - due to time constraints - have still not
been installed.


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From: gs@TEETOT.ACUSD.EDU (Greg Simon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: 1.3 to read 2.04 disks
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:43:30 GMT



Hi all--one question: Does anybody know the title of the
program/utilities that allows 1.3 users to 'read' New-File-System disks;
those created undo 2.04?  I realize that all I would have to do is
format the disks with the OldFileSystem under 2.04, but I seem to recall
seeing a description of a PD program (SW?) that allowed this.  Any ideas
would be appriciated!  Thanks in advance...

Greg

gs@teetot.acusd.edu
From: dkf8117@tamsun.tamu.edu (Duane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Keyboard suggestions?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:29:15 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

My Amiga 3000 keyboard is about dead.  Anyone have any suggestions on what
I should do to replace it?  I like the feel and size of the Amiga
keyboard, but am afraid a replacement would cost to much (?)  What are my
options as far as hooking up a PeeCee keyboard to it?

Thanks


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: kdmiller@m4-035-12.MIT.EDU (Kenneth D Miller)
Subject: Re: 337 shells on an Amiga 500 - WB is **slow**
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:19:30 GMT

In article <bmccnnll.702519740@unix1.tcd.ie> bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell) writes:
>In <1992Apr4.211256.4019@athena.mit.edu> kdmiller@m4-035-16.MIT.EDU (Kenneth D Miller) writes:
>
>>Unless C= recodes layers to be either 1. way faster (can you say "assembler"?)
>>or 2. smart enough to know when a window is obscured completely, things will
>>stay O(n^2).
>
>Can you say... "Archimedes" ? ;-)  

Yeah, sure:

Ar... uh
Arch...
Archi...
Arhimedes

There.  Okay.  Now, since I'm in the US, I have to ask this question:

What's the Archimedes like?  (Like I'll ever get one... ;)
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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  A600 specs
Date: 4 Apr 92 19:35:23 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

|> In article <198@elfie.async.vt.edu> wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
|>I have COMIX (SVR4 UNIX for the Amiga) on my 3000UX, and I must say that with
|>or without a numeric keypad (<grin>), it's one of the worst implementations I
|>have ever seen, so your arguement is moot.  <smile>
|> 
	That's AmigaUNIX then? I've never heard of COMIX. AmigaUNIX is as
	good, and in some cases, better than the Intel SVR4 implementations
	out there, like the DELL SVR4 on my workstation at work.

	Please explain what SVR4 you've used and how it is better than 2.03
	or 2.1 AmigaUNIX.

		-Rob
From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Text reader wanted capable to handle large files.
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:04:12 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <57084@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

>My favorite is "Less 1.4z" from Fish disk #511. It'll "page" 
>any size text file from disk without loading it all into memory
>letting you read huge text files on any-memory-size Amiga. It's 


Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to know how to start upo on a 2.04 virtual
screen.

My problem is that the combination of MuchMore, ClockDj, and Flip2 are
pretty good at locking my 2.04 machine.  I haven't found anything capable
of replacing any of these though.

Ken
From: jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: RPG programs
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:40:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Do any programs (PD or otherwise) exist for the Amiga that would help run an
RPG?
Personally, I've used graphics in the campaign, printed up props, and used my
wordprocessor to prepare.  But the Amiga could be the ideal platform: graphics,
animation, and sound linked to a user-definable database, combined with a CPU
to run random tables and die rolls, linked by a quick, mouse driven GUI.
Any programs you could point me to (I already know about the SSI series) would
be terrific.
Jonathan
jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: aj733@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tim Hnat)
Subject: Re: Hardwired Demo
Reply-To: aj733@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tim Hnat)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 23:36:05 GMT


In a previous article, phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick) says:
>aj733@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tim Hnat) writes:
>
>>The praises come from this end also...it is *very* impressive.
>
>I could not get it to run.  I boot it up, under either 1.3 or 2.04 and after
>loading the first disk, and displaying the screen asking you to insert the
>second disk, nothing happens.
>
>If you press the right mouse button, it crashes with guru #8000003.00002E3E.
>Also when loading, after the first set of (27?) tracks are loaded in, the
>"1M CHIP FOUND" line on the screen gets corrupted.
>
>My setup differs from the norm in the following way:
>
>   68010 processor
>   2M chip
>   No fast
>   DF2: connected to an AMax
>
>
>Has anyone got it working with a similar setup?
>
Is it accelerated? I've heard that it might have problems with accelerated
machines. Have you tried turning all your external drives off? As strange as 
it sounds Hardwired only works for me when df1: is switched off upon (re)booting
...my setup is.

A500...1 meg chip (no shit) *8)
2 meg SupraRAM RX
Seagate HD w/ Xetec SCSI controller...running through the SupraRAM
(PS...it's a Xetec controller for the 1000 turned around backwards and I've
had no HD problems)

I'll try running the demo again...to see if there's anything else I'm 
overlooking.


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From: mkoch@amisys.UUCP (Mike Koch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  minix and the amiga
Date: 12 Apr 92 08:31:00 GMT
Organization: AMiSYS Consulting

In article <1992Apr7.100020.14379@bilpin.co.uk> vlod@bilpin.co.uk (vlod kalicun) writes:
>yep, Minix 1.5 is available for the ami. but thats as far as I know.
>
>What I would like to know is does it support hard drives.
>I've heard mixed reports about some that say they do, and some that
>say it can't?
>Would someone please clear this up?

I got a brochure from Prentice-Hall a few weeks ago, and NO, it does not
support hard drives.  Maybe you can add it in, but as it comes from them, it
doesn't.

--
    ... Mike

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