From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: WHY?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

rsvanc00@nx34.mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance) writes:

>>>What's that? Someone who doesn't comprehend the differences between X and
>>Y chromosomes? Someone who fails to comprehend that denying your gender
>>is an obvious sign of poor self-esteem and a lack of comprehension of the
>>real world? Someone who suffers from mental problems (dillusions)?

>Your viewpoint is very interesting, if more biologists had your knowledge
>and understanding of the subject, we would still be in the "Dark Ages" of
>science.  X and Y chromosomes are the "primary" factor in determining 
>gender, however, there are several factors to consider.  One major factor
>is the hormones the fetus is subjected to during the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd 
>tri-mesters.  These hormones if unbalanced in the fetus during the 3 tri-mester
>will cause a "gender switch" in nature.  The subject has been proven, and
>if you would like literary references, I will be more than happy to 
>supply you with them.  Secondly, as I am sure you must have heard, the 
>hypothalamus has a great deal to contribute to how a person feels, and what
>attracts them, would you suggest lobotomizing those who felt they were not 
>happy the way they are?  That sounds like several mental institutions back
>in the early 19 hundreds.

You seem to be using gender here when you mean sex.  I realise that 
sometimes using "gender" instead of "sex" avoids ambiguity were "sec"
could be interpreted as meaning "sexual activity".
What word do you use instead of gender when refering to 'masculine'
'feminine'.
I am not completely sure if I have got the correct names for the 
following 3 classes, but here goes:-

  sex = male, female, hermaphadite, neuter
  gender = masculine, feminine, androgenous
  sexuality = heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, neuter.

IF these 3 classes do have separate "bits" of the brain then it seems
reasonable to assume different people will have different combinations.

I am not sure where, if anywhere, on the list eunuch should go.

In certain species creature change their sex naturally during life,
amoung humans maybe gender and sexuality often change (eg from hetero
to neuter when you feel apathetic)
There was an unusual case reported in the press in the UK a year or 
so ago of a woman who used surgery to remove all her sex organs, so
becoming neuter.

>STOP THE PRESS, I know of an entire nation of people where the men wear dresses
>and the women wear slacks, SCOTLAND!  I have a good friend of mine who is 

  Most Scots don't go round in kilts.
  A much better example of fashions being different are:-
 1. Roman Empire where even the soldiers wore "mini-skirts".
 2. Medeval Europe where young fashionable males wore tights while the
                   women wore dresses.
 3. 13th Century (?) Europe where the clothing of men and women was very
                   similar.

>I didn't think that the Scots were PERVERTED, perhaps my viewpoint is 
>self-centered, is there anyone out there who thinks that the Scottish 
>are PERVERTED?  Personally I think they can hold their own in a fight, and 
     ^^^^^^^^^  
Maybe a lot of English people do :-)

> 
>Randolph S. Vance
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