HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: newsgroup name
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:13:21 GMT

In article <Sep29.205248.42824@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>Could someone explain how we can participate in the discussion regarding
>rec.arts.marching?

Absolutely. Just make a posting to news.groups. If you do a follow-up to the
RFD, your follow-up posting will go to news.groups by default.

If you don't like the proposal, send in suggestions; if you do like it, send
that in. It's important to let the USENET community know that there really
is support for this rec group.

>Also, is there someone to whom we should send our vote?

This is the discussion phase for the new group; the vote will start in 30 days
or so. The point of the discussion phase is to determine exactly what we're
voting on -- nothing is cast in concrete at this point.

Remember, discussion of the group should happen only in news.groups -- not
here! 

>Scott

OBDrum Corps: I figured out that the drum solo section was from '86 BD, and
I'm not even a drumming type. Could you guys post some more sections from
solos so I can tell if this was a fluke?

--phil
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: More drum excerpt solutions
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 11:08:00 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

1. 1979 North Star: excerpt from *Cookout*3/4|>  >  > > >    | >  >  > > >    
 | >  >  >        ||.:.. _._. .:.. | .:.. _._. .:.. | ,.., _,__ ____ ||R  L  L L R    | R  L  L L R    | R  L  R        |
2. 1979 Defenders: excerpt from drum solo5/8                             3/8  
      5/8|> >  >   >   |        |        | >   >   | >|,_,_ ,.. ,.. | repeat | 
 repeat | ,.. ,.. | ,   etc|R L  R   L   |        |        | R   L   | R
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: CFD rec.arts.marching
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:53:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.195113.2724@oclc.org> hch@fssun09.dev.oclc.org (Curtis Hunter) writes:

>I also disagree strongly with the name rec.arts.marching.  Several others
>have made similar posts.  We need to get this discussion going.

This discussion should be held in news.groups. It should not be held in
alt.drumcorps. Please move the discussion there. 

Thanks,
phil
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Where is DCI's money going?!?!
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:50:44 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


Where did all the money go?!?!  Doing these quick calculations:

35,000 tickets @ $25 = $875,000
20,000 tickets @ $20 = $400,000
15,000 tickets @ $17 = $255,000
7,000  tickets @ $9  = $ 63,000
                       --------
                      $1,593,000

All that for 4 nights of competition!!

Not to mention the regionals.  Where does all this money go?  It can't all go
to prizes and paying judges.  That's a lot of cash to be making (even
considering the conservative figures I used) and then to complain about paying
a little to get a stadium.  Let's find out where the money is going.

BlueDevil
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:57:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <BvJrnp.Gs5@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>I've been going to Nationals for the last 11 years; I've decided to not attend
>the championshiops at Jackson.
>
>I'm not attending partially because of Jackson's weather and partially to
>alert DCI that their grand experiment with the championshiop city rotation
>has some serious flaws.
>

I'm pretty curios about why you are protesting the Jackson site.  What are the
flaws in the championship city rotation?

>--phil
>
--David

-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Finally, Cool Drum Notation!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.022432.7836@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:

> Here's an oldie but a goodie:
> 
> |4 >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >   >^  ---6--- | >  >   >            |
> |4 .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ... ... | .::. ::.: :... ..._ |
> 
> |2      ^^^  |
> |4 o_o_ ..._ |
> 
> --Brad

I think this is the end of the on line warm up used by BD for the past two
centuries.  This is kind of fun.  We could start a game show called Name That
Snare Part, where you can win all expense paid trips to that vacation paradise
Jackson, Mississippi.

					Charles Holt
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Name that riff
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 12:57:11 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

1.
 
   4/4                                accel--------
  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
  | >                       >   >   | >       > >   >   >   > >   >   |
  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
 
 
  | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- | ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- ---6--- |
  | >       > >     > >   > >   >   | > >     > >   >   >   > >   >   |
  | ... ... ._. ... ._. ... ... ... | ._. ... ._. ... ... ... ... ... |
 
 
2.
 
   4/4
  | > >   > >   >  >  ^ |
  | .:.: :.:. ::.: .::. |  etc...
 
 
3.
 
   4/4
  | -3- -3- -3- -3-   -3- -3-
  | >               |                   |      >      >       |      >
  | .:: ::: ::: ::: | ::: ::: :::: :::: | ._._ ,.._ ._,. ._,_ | :::: .
 
 
4.
 
   4/4
  | ---6---      ---6---
  | >         >      ^   >    | >  >   >   >   >    |
  | ,__ ... ._,_ ... .__ .::: | ,:_, :_,: _,:_ .::: |  etc
 
 
Answers to these (as well as my other posts) will be posted in the
near future, unless you can name them first!  Happy figuring.
 
Mike Hughes
From: MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:43:44 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

>
>pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>
>> I've been going to Nationals for the last 11 years; I've decided to not
>atten
>> the championshiops at Jackson.
>>
>> I'm not attending partially because of Jackson's weather and partially to
>> alert DCI that their grand experiment with the championshiop city rotation
>> has some serious flaws.
>>
>> Are there others who go to championships annually who will be skipping
>> Jackson? Does anyone know where the all-top-25 show will be held 3 weeks
>> before Nationals?
>>
>> --phil
>
>I'm sure there are other bigoted, self-centered persons such as yourself
>who will be skipping Jackson.  I'm NOT one of those.  Take your "alert"
>to the proper channel.. mail, call, and otherwise harrass DCI.  I'm tired
>of this thread on why drum corps should be exorcised from the South, just
>because some "panty-waists" can't stand a little perspiration.
 
No one is griping because DCI Championships is in the South.  Most of us
just don't see any grounds to justify having 2 of the 4 permanent sites in
the South, when the vast majority of drum corps fans is in the Midwest and
East (not to mention DCI's neglect of the West).
 
>I shall be there, in Jackson, with my ears tied on.  I will enjoy the show,
>despite distractions that are 100% sure to happen.  I just don't happen to
>be H.R. Perot, so I'm sorry to say that I can't buy a stadium and the show
>so that I could be alone on the 50-yard line... so I'll have to put up with
>the inevitable crowd noise, crowd movement, parking hassles, high ticket
>prices...
 
Speaking of panty-waists.....
 
>Maybe I'll just not go, and say that it's because of all those.  Do you
>think I'd be missed?  Hardly.
>
>  - Willard Dawson
 
Agreed.  I don't think any of us could hear the drum corps over the bitching.
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: Star of Indiana 1993 repetoire
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 21:31:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


News from Prodigy-land:

Bill Cook has just passed along word from Jim Mason regarding Star of
Indiana's 1993 show.  The music is all by Samuel Barber and is:

        School for Scandal
        Adagio for Strings
        Medea's Dance of Vengeance

                                                 Scott
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: GR condition?
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:19:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


   Has anyone on the net heard anything more about Gail
Royer's condition?  It was last reported that he was still in
IC in stable condition.  Thanks in advance.


                                        Ken
Newsgroups: alt.rissa,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: You mean this isn't?
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Distribution: world,KibosFunFactory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:41:14 GMT

In <BvHE0G.86E@world.std.com> rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama) writes:
>[re Star Trek: The De-Generation]
>That it is not.  And besides, look what happened the last time
>Lt. Ritcard (big sp????) got laid -- they had to bring in that
>stupid twit Wesley to save the Enterprise, the Federation and
>the whole entire universe from destruction.

Wesley may be one, but Kibo is NOT a stupid twit.  Kibo is a GENIUS TWIT!

>						And what level are you on?

Kibo is never on the level, or anything else palindromic.

							-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.rissa,alt.religion.kibology
From: rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama)
Subject: Re: You mean this isn't?
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:45:55 GMT

In article <BvHEKr.8rD@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>Wesley may be one, but Kibo is NOT a stupid twit.  Kibo is a GENIUS TWIT!

Yes, but are you a Grey or a Reptoid?
Newsgroups: alt.rissa,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: You mean this isn't?
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:56:32 GMT

In article <BvHEsJ.8xB@world.std.com> rissa@world.std.com (Patricia O Tuama) writes:
>In article <BvHEKr.8rD@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>>Wesley may be one, but Kibo is NOT a stupid twit.  Kibo is a GENIUS TWIT!
>
>Yes, but are you a Grey or a Reptoid?

We have to stop meeting like this.  They're getting suspicious of us.

I'm not a Grey and not a Pink--I'm a Reflex Blue.

							-- K.
From: SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Legality of primer substances
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:57:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


   Speaking of PIHKAL, is there a version on-line somewhere? Or can someone
re-post the address to mail-order it from? And, last but not least, what is
the name of the upcoming book?

Thanks,

Sean LeBlanc

   -The century's getting old and stale; it needs new tribes.

     -Clive Barker, In the Flesh
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:30:49 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <DGD.92Sep28131559@csd.bu.edu> dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand) writes:

    [my post that eating NT precursors doesn't raise NT brain levels
deleted]

>    This is strictly untrue, as L-dopa (a direct precursor to
>Dopamine) is commonly used (as a drug) to reduce symptoms of
>Parkinson's disease. The large dose of the metabolic precursor raises
>the levels high enough to make L-Dopa a relatively potent drug. I'm

    You're right; I was locked into thinking about the "smart drug"
controversy and forgot about L-dopa.  I don't know what L-dopa does for
"normal" people, but its use in those with diminished dopamine levels is
undisputed.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: stevem@cs.utexas.edu (Steve Anthony Mariotti)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 21:21:49 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tokio.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Sep28.160920.14528@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>
>>And what about eating constituents of neurotransmitters?  (I'm thinking of
>>choline compounds here...still looking for more acetylcholine...)
>
>    There is no clinical evidence of which I'm aware that eating NT
>constituents increases NT concentration in the brain.  The claim that it
>does is touted by a large group of folks dedicated to finding "smart
>drugs".  The actual concentration of NTs in the brain is so small that
>precursors are easily available from the diet. 

If you can get precursors from your diet, isn't that the same method of
aquisition as, say, getting them from supplements?  Are you suggesting that
there is a threshold, and past a certain point, nothing will cross the 
blood/brain barrier to be useful as a precursor to a neurotransmitter?

It seems contradictory to say that eating precursors won't help increase
the level of concentration in the brain, and then turn around and say most
precursors that are necessary are obtained from a normal diet.

Steve

stevem@cs.utexas.edu
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:42:57 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct2.054836.16717@netcom.com> ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) writes:
>Is anyone familiar with the dynamic of pyridioxine supplementation (pro
>and con) with regard to production of brain dopamine..
>(I understand that Vitamin B6 completly inactivates l-dopa.)

It reduces the amount of DOPA which reaches the brain by facilitating its
peripheral decarboxylation.  Nowadays, l-DOPA is almost always given with 
a peripheral DOPA-decarboxylase inhibitor, carbidopa, so the pyridoxine
prohibition isn't that big a deal anymore.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:11:27 GMT

everyone.in.the.net (Everyone) writes:

Something about l-dopa and how it becomes dopamine in the brain and
does wonders for parkinson's disease patients, and would I trip if
I took some?

Well, too much of it over time causes enlargement of the ventricles
of the brain, and more or less causes schizophrenia. Yes, it's in 
the literature, and it's the primary reason that l-dopa isn't often
used anymore.

(Don't) put that in your pipe and smoke it!

John Rescigno
Dept. of Psychology
Clarkson University
Nowhere, NY

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: pamelor part five
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:29:50 GMT

Thanks for the great summary, Eliot.  I'm going to point folks
in sci.med to this as well.

What I want to know is why a drug like Pamelor (nortryptiline)
is so damned expensive.  A friend on mine on the West Coast
was paying >$100 for a month's supply, and this was something he
could barely afford.  (When you consider than a typical month's
supply of the new drug Prozac [20mg/day] is $60 or less, you begin
to understand how crazy this is.)

In any case, nortryptiline is long, long off patent status
(it was around more than 20 years ago, sold by Lilly as Aventyl).
Why aren't there any generic formulations available?  There's
certainly enough demand for it.  It's unconscienceable.
(I could say the same about desipramine--having two brand name
forms of the drug, Pertofrane and Norpramin, isn't exactly
competition.)


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Eating neurotransmitters (was Re: Seratonin Question)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:11:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.085058.0253897@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
>You said "nonsense", I cited a counterexample involving tryptophan and
>drowsiness you had personally posted about, then you told me to cut the crap.  

That's because acute drowsiness is a well-known side-effect of multi-gram
intake of tryptophan.  But any other effects of taking megadoses of this
AA, or any effects at all, of taking megadoses of other AAs which are thought
to be neurotransmitter precursors are poorly characterized, if at all.
I said the effects were probably nonsense and wishful thinking.

>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>| Sure.  Whatever would make you think that the first statement is at all
>| incompatible with the second?
>No, YOU tell US how they're compatible; you just sound like a sore loser for
>having been caught in self-contradiction.

Sorry, Bob, that's not a self-contradiction.  You'll just have to think
harder about it.

>So, are you going to soften "nonsense" to "not effective enough to really
>be useful", or plead placebo effect on your tryptophan drowsiness?

There's a lot of evidence that the sleep-inducing effects of megadoses
of tryptophan are not sustained; that they disappear over the space of
a few days or a week.  Tryptophan or any other dietary AA
neurotransmitter precursors haven't been shown to have any useful
effects in any other conditions, and there's no reason for anyone
(generally someone who has been reading _Omni_ magazine for too long)
to first think that what they have naturally already is inadequate, or
that somehow getting more is better.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: morgan_j@summer.chem.su.oz.au
Subject: Legality of primer substances
Organization: School of Chemistry, University of Sydney
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:02:29 GMT


Would anyone care to speculate on the legality, particularly under the US
Analogue Act, of primer substances? By primer, I mean a substance which is
not in itself psychoactive, but which strongly enhances the effects/potency/
duration of a psychoactive material taken subsequently. An example of such
a material, described in PIHKAL, is N-propyl-MDA, which seems to be able to
make a very intense trip out of 60ug LSD.

Now, since the primer itself has no central effects similar to any C1
substance, and would not be ingested with the intention of inducing such
effects (the LSD etc would bet taken for that purpose), does that mean that
possession/use of a primer would be legal?

============================================================================
John Morgan
Dept of Physical Chemistry
University of Sydney
morgan_j@summer.su.oz.au

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Robotussin DM
Summary: correction to #5
Supersedes: <1992Oct2.170054.5025@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:15:54 GMT

In article <BvHGH4.2y7@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v064lnev@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar) writes:
>	I have recently heard that Robotussin DM, when taken in large doses,
>can produce psychadelic experiences.  Would someone knowledgable in this area

I guess there should be a FAQ-Robo.

>	(1) Is the claim true?

Sort of.  The experience is not exactly "psychedelic", but it's somewhat
similar.

>	(2) What sort of dosage is required for such results?

4 to 8 oz. of Robitussen Max Strength, depending on your size and
sensitivity.

>	(3) What is the active chemical which would produce such results?

Dextromethorphan.

>	(4) What are the effects of Robotussin DM when taken in large doses?

Loss of coordination, "trippy" thoughts, sometimes severe nausea and
vomiting. 

>	(5) How long do the effects last, with such a large dose?

12 hours or more.  Don't do it if you have somthing to do the next day.

>	(5) Will such large doses of Robotussin DM cause any permanent damage
>            or otherwise harm the subject?

Liver damage, according to some private email, which cited the Physicians
Desk Reference as a source.

>	(6) What suggestions or safeguards would you recommend to someone who 
>            planned to take such a large dose of Robotussin DM?

Don't eat beforehand.  Don't plan on going anywhere.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
From: q92269@pbhrzx.uni-paderborn.de (Daniel 'danny' Roedding)
Subject: Re: GABAergics as hallucinogens
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:42:36 GMT

mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>I tried taking GABA itself. Very mild - slightly mellowing. You need
>to take it a couple of times for it to have much of an effect.
>Unfortunatly, I got it as part of a test program and can
>t get it any more....

Could you tell a bit more about it? (Dosage, side effects, ...)

Daniel

--
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Detmolder Str. 19   Subject: Returned Mail: Deferred: Not a typewriter"
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