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From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Frame 4.0 (Was Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???)
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:04:11 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1gnmfsINNr47@columbia.cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca
	Vincent Manis muses:

>My biggest complaint with FrameMaker is its lack of a general-purpose
>programming language. I recently switched to FrameMaker after 10 years
>of using TeX; there were good reasons for doing so, but in the process,
>I've lost a large number of capabilities that TeX's language gave me
>(for example, being able to do literally *anything* at the beginning of
>each paragraph: I have a number of TeX formats which simply can't be
>implemented using FrameMaker's autonumbering). I'm not about to defend
>TeX's programming language (it's quite ghastly), but I got damn good at
>contorting it to do what I wanted. Many of those things can only be done
>manually in FrameMaker, which is not reasonable if you're writing a
>book!

I sympathize, but you are overlooking a really fundamental problem.
Programming languages like TEX's or troff's are founded on the idea
of sequential time.  There is a "print time" at which your paragraphs,
headings and etc. are executed, in a well-defined sequence.

But Frame is WYSIWIG, so there CANNOT BE a concept of sequential time
in a Frame document.  A document exists in an "eternal now" and 
there is no moment at which your code could be executed.

This means that any Frame "language" must be like the formula
language of a spreadsheet: a language of predicates that make
assertions, rather than a sequence of commands.

Actually Frame as it exists stumbles over this very problem: have
you ever tried to figure out when the system variable for "date"
is updated to the current date?
From: bdowning@schunix.uucp (Bill Downing)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Problem updating chapter numbers in multifile book
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:38:13 GMT
Organization: SCHUNIX Public Access Unix for Worcester County, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec23.212948.11898@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes:
>In article <20875@acorn.co.uk> mhardy@acorn.co.uk (Michael Hardy) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.215340.27591@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes:
>
>>>>In article <1992Dec15.180057.732@alf.uib.no>, eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad) writes:
>>>>|> FrameMaker won't let me update the chapter numbers in my miltifile book  
>
>>>page numbering is reset and paragraph numbering continues.  I have
>>>tried this with small subsets and it occasionally works that way,
>>>but when I get the whole book together, no dice.  All chapters are
>>>chapter 1.  Now I can't even get small samples to work.
>
>>This problem is typically caused by the flows that make up your book either
>>not having autoconnect turned on, or not having the same tag. Check this,
>>and regenerate.
>
>Bingo!
>
>I thought it would be enough to set autoconnect on in the template
>and apply the template, or to open a new file using the template and
>cut-and-paste everything in.  It turns out that autoconnect was
>still off.  Turning it on for each chapter and re-generating did
>indeed fix the problem.
>

You might want to tell whoever's in charge of the FAQ posting to put
this one in there...the problem seems to surface a lot...of course, it
might already be in the FAQ...:-)



-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@schunix.uucp
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Framemaker 3.1X has cross references confused ...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 03:01:10 GMT

I have cross references to a lot of paragraphs formatted with the
Figure format. I created most of the Figure paragraphs by copying the
first one and then changing the text. The auto-number works fine, and
the cross reference window does show all the different paragraphs with
the Figure format. But when I choose "Update" in the cross reference
window, most cross references in my text to these Figure formatted
paragraphs reverted to the first one on the list, so they all said
Figure 1. I went through my whole document to fix this, but once again
after I did an Update the same ones reverted back to referencing the
first Figure paragraph again.

I believe the above qualifies as a bug. Any ideas on how to fix it?
I've already sent the above to comments@frame.com this afternoon.
Haven't heard anything back from them yet. This runs on a Sparcstation2.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Phil Buxton  <PhilB@BNR.ca>
Subject: Re: Problem updating chapter numbers in multifile book
Organization: Bell Northern Research
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:29:15 GMT

In article  Ralph Brandi, ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com writes:

>In article <2109@scax18.pki-nbg.philips.de> pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de
writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Dec15.180057.732@alf.uib.no>, eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no 
>(Eystein Dugstad) writes:
>>|> FrameMaker won't let me update the chapter numbers in my miltifile
book  
>>|> anymore. When I click "File - Generate/Update" and afterwards open
for  
>>|> example the fourth file in the book, the first chapter in that book
is  
>>|> called chapter 1 even though there are 3 or more chapters before it.
>
>>Look in the book setup, the paragraph numbering has the two options 
>>continue or restart. For your purpose "continue" is correct. After
>>setup change you have to generate/update the book.
>
>I'm running into the same problem.  I have the following tags set up
>in each chapter:
>
>ChapterNumber: R:<n+>< =0>< =0>
>TableCaption:  R:<n>-<n+>< >
>FigureCaption: R:<n>-< ><n+>
>
>ChapterNumber appears at the beginning of each chapter.  Since I
>don't actually want the chapter number to show up by itself on the
>page, the text is set to color white.
>
>I have a book set up with generated files Table of Contents, List of
>Tables, List of Figures, followed by 16 chapters and 1 appendix.  In
>the book, I have set up chapter 1 so that page numbering and
>paragraph numbering reset; all following chapters are set up so that
>page numbering is reset and paragraph numbering continues.  I have
>tried this with small subsets and it occasionally works that way,
>but when I get the whole book together, no dice.  All chapters are
>chapter 1.  Now I can't even get small samples to work.

Who wins the battle?
Is it the book that controls the numbering or is it the individual 
chapters.

I don't know but when I have run into this problem before, I ensure 
that the para numbering is set to "Continue" for each chapter in 
the book file and that each document has para numbering set to 
"Continue" also.

I think that FrameMaker is built so that there are some book overrides 
but not all are consistent.  Maybe, if this works for you, we 
will have some of the answer.

PS  You dont need the < => in the Chapter auto number.  The TableCaption
and FigureCaption numbers should reset to zero when you start a new
chapter,
by default)
(Thanks to davidl@SSD.intel.com for his comment to
my last posting about autonumbering.  Note that you can leave them in, so
you or your peers can see what is going on in the file in three years time
when there is a problem with the template!!!)
=========================================================================
Phil Buxton        |BNR              |613 765 2980      |FAX 613 765 4908
philb@bnr.ca       |Ottawa, Canada   |ESN 395 2980      |ESN     395 4908
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Phil Buxton  <PhilB@BNR.ca>
Subject: Re: Framemaker 3.1X has cross references confused ...
Organization: Bell Northern Research
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:01:43 GMT

In article  Michael Hui, myhui@bnr.ca writes:

>I have cross references to a lot of paragraphs formatted with the
>Figure format. I created most of the Figure paragraphs by copying the
>first one and then changing the text. The auto-number works fine, and
>the cross reference window does show all the different paragraphs with
>the Figure format. But when I choose "Update" in the cross reference
>window, most cross references in my text to these Figure formatted
>paragraphs reverted to the first one on the list, so they all said
>Figure 1. I went through my whole document to fix this, but once again
>after I did an Update the same ones reverted back to referencing the
>first Figure paragraph again.
>
>I believe the above qualifies as a bug. Any ideas on how to fix it?
>I've already sent the above to comments@frame.com this afternoon.
>Haven't heard anything back from them yet. This runs on a Sparcstation2.

This is kind of weird    BUT
If I copy a cross reference which is what you have done, then I would 
expect that the cross reference cannot be changed. By making a local
change,
you are effectively doing a local corrupt of an alias which you could say
is legal or illegal....

IN THE FUTURE:
When you copy the figure heading or whatever, make sure that you dont
copy the cross reference mark as well as the text.  

How to save your file now?  Hmmm

One way that might work is crash Frame.  Then open the autosave file.
This generally requires that you reaffirm all the cross references 
again and you may be able to change things that way.  

You could edit the MIF file if you can work out the pathname that Frame
uses to get the right cross reference.  What I think you could do is 
to find the pathname that it is using and text edit the file destroying 
all references. Then go in and rebuild your cross references to the
correct paras.

There is another Frame way.
Use Search and destroy all markers of type "X-ref".
Then find all your cross references, again the Search command will allow 
you to do this.  The words will still be correct in the file, so you 
then readily rebuild the cross references one at a time using 
proper markers.

Hope this helps.  Let me know what Frame has to say!!
=========================================================================
Phil Buxton        |BNR              |613 765 2980      |FAX 613 765 4908
philb@bnr.ca       |Ottawa, Canada   |ESN 395 2980      |ESN     395 4908
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi)
Subject: Re: Problem updating chapter numbers in multifile book
Organization: Democrats for Broccoli
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:09:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.215340.27591@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes:

>ChapterNumber: R:<n+>< >< >

Whoops!  This should read:

ChapterNumber: R:<n+>< =0>< =0>

I knew I should have had another look at the autonumber before I
posted to make sure I posted it correctly.
-- 
Ralph Brandi     ralph@mtunp.att.com     att!mtunp!ralph

R.I.P.  Red Barber, 1908-1992.
From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: copy n paste with x-apps?
Keywords: X cut copy paste
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 17:11:48 -0800
Organization: The GRAFex Company

In <1992Dec29.190718.12787@informix.com> cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi) writes:
>We find a lot of restrictions/contradictions with copying text between
>applications on a Sun platform. I would really appreciate any advice
>and hints on how to make this work more predictably or regularly.
]...[

>"Hilite Copy":
>	if you hilite ascii text in the window of ANY application,
>	you can paste a copy of the hilited text into the window
>	of an X-app or Frame, using middle-click.  This lets you
>	bring ascii text into Frame.
>
>	Sun tools treat middle-click as "extend selection" and do
>	not paste. Thus you can copy *from* a sun app this way, but
>	cannot copy *to* one.

Try using the keyboard combo meta-y.

>"Clipboard Copy":
>	if you copy text to Frame's clipboard with Edit:copy
>	(or key equivalent), and provided that you have NO text
>	hilited in ANY window, you can paste the clipboard text
>	into an X-app using middle-click.  Only the text is pasted,
>	no formatting.  Sun tools ignore this text also.

Meta-y should work here, too.

>What does not work:

>"Formatted Copy":
>	we can't find a way to copy text out of Frame and then back,
>	preserving its formatting. Only the raw ascii is copied.
>	The hex values of at least some special symbols are preserved,
>	though unprintable in other apps, and can be copied back.

Yup.

>"Sun Apps Copy":
>	we can't make the Sun apps based on the Open Windows text
>	widget communicate well.  You can copy *from* one into Frame
>	using Hilite Copy, but you can't copy *to* one in any way.
>	Thus you cannot copy a Frame paragraph and paste it into
>	a letter you are composing with MailTool.

Works for under X11R4 using twm.

>"Sun Cut/Copy/Paste":

>	The Sun apps seem to have their own private clipboard. You
>	can use the Cut/Copy/Paste function keys to pass data
>	between Sun apps, but this text has no relation to
>	the Frame clipboard or the X selection.

>	You can make the Cut/Copy/Paste keys work as macro triggers
>	and thus make them perform Frame cut/copy/paste logical
>	functions, but this has no relation to the Sun app functions.

Once again, try meta-y to paste into Maker.

steve


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              A prince trapped in the body of a dirty old man.
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Novice user ....... Questions
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:21:28 GMT
Organization: Lakewood Corporation


Select Format, Document and turn off smart spaces.

enjoy working with Frame!

Brighid Wood
brighid@bass.lkw.com
From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: UNIX FrameMaker Default Printer
Keywords: UNIX FrameMaker Default Printer
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:43:02 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com


Cheer up, there are much worse problems than this!!

Happy holidays!
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: fakohari@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Faraz A. Kohari)
Subject: Help For Mailmerge in FrameMaker
Keywords: Mailmerge
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:00:20 EST

Can anybody out there help me with any mailmerging capability that FrameMaker
might have. I have an urgent requirement for sending out a couple of hundred
letters according to a list that I have, I've checked the FrameMaker
documentation but don't seem to be getting anywhere. Please post any help here 
or directly to me at fakohari@rodan.acs.syr.edu as soon as possible. 

Thanx in advance.

Faraz.
From: scott@thirdi.uucp (Scott Southard)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Need FrameMaker resume template
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:20:49 GMT
Reply-To: scott@thirdeye.UUCP (Scott Southard)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Third Eye Software, Menlo Park, CA

The time to perform the job hunting ritual has once again arrived, and
with it comes the need to update and reformat my resume, which exists
currently only in hardcopy format.  I'd like to use FrameMaker to create
the new version, and being a novice FrameMaker user I figured could save a
substantial amount of time by starting with a reasonable template and
working from there.  If anyone out there has a resume template (or a
complete resume) in MIF format that they would be willing to send me it
would be much appreciated.

I can be reached at scott@thirdeye.com or {pyramid,apple,sun}!thirdi!scott.
-- 
Scott Southard
scott@thirdeye.com
Third Eye Software, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: laufer@math.luc.edu (Konstantin Laufer)
Subject: Re: Framemaker 3.1X has cross references confused ...
Reply-To: laufer@math.luc.edu
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:09:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.030110.25841@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
> I have cross references to a lot of paragraphs formatted with the
> Figure format. I created most of the Figure paragraphs by copying the
> first one and then changing the text. The auto-number works fine, and
> the cross reference window does show all the different paragraphs with
> the Figure format. But when I choose "Update" in the cross reference
> window, most cross references in my text to these Figure formatted
> paragraphs reverted to the first one on the list, so they all said
> Figure 1. I went through my whole document to fix this, but once again
> after I did an Update the same ones reverted back to referencing the
> first Figure paragraph again.

I had this problem when I copied figures that already had cross
reference markers in their captions.  To fix this, you can switch to
visible text symbols mode and delete the cross reference markers in
question.  Then you create the cross references again.

The reason Maker gets confused over copied cross references is that
they have the same ID internally.

-- 
-Konstantin [laufer@math.luc.edu]
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: msolda@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (M Solda)
Subject: adding a new spot color to framemaker 3.1.X
Keywords: spot color, 3.1.X
Reply-To: msolda@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:26:45 GMT

i have looked in the manuals and faq, but have not been able to
successfully add a different spot color to framemaker 3.1.X running on
a sparc.  the manual intones the use of an x resource, but i am have
not able to successfully do this, particularly since i do no know what
encoding scheme is used for specifying the color.

can anybody help?  i want to add the color orange (or something that could
pass as it).
From: jbatson@cayman.com (Jay Batson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Pointer needed - New England Frame Users Group
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:10:20 GMT
Reply-To: jbatson@cayman.com
Distribution: usa

Can anybody point me in the direction of "the contact" for this?

Email replies please.  Thanks in advance.
--
Jay Batson
Product Marketing Manager
Cayman Systems, Inc.
jbatson@cayman.com
(617) 494-1999
NeXT mail welcome.
From: marius@gnlab023.grenoble.hp.com (Marius Carpaye)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:46:53 GMT
Subject: Import PostScript
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, GND
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame


I would like to import postcript file in framemaker document.
Do you know if it's possible to do that ?
for example I received a postcript (framemaker) file and I would
like to modify it.
Maybe filterpak is the answer, but I don't find a filter like
pstomif or pstomml.

A second import request is to import wordforwindows document.
I tried the filter wordtomif without succes.
Did you try to import WORD document in framemaker ?

Any idea will be great.

Thanks.


                      __o
                      \<,
____________________()/ ()___________________
Marius CARPAYE 
Grenoble Networks Division Lab 
Productivity Engineer
                                                   
Telnet : 779-1289                                 
Email: marius@hpgnd.grenoble.hp.com            
_____________________________________________
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Document Window question
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:53:03 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <viranga.724578854@phobos> viranga@kbs.citri.edu.au (Viranga (Summer  
Student)) writes:
> If I have a document window open (containing a document), can I swap the existing
> document for another document without FrameMaker generating another document
> window?

If you can tolerate having your document locked, you can put a "gotolink" hypertext  
command in the file. That will allow you to open a new document in the same window  
via a mouse click. See the hypertext commands in your Frame manual.
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|   Email : robertw@informix.com |        Graphic designer        |
|   Voice : 415-926-6754         |     <imagine your ad here>     |
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From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: creating a glossary
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:52:38 GMT
Organization: Lakewood Corporation


I know that this is easy to do, I've just forgotten and can't find
a good reference in the manuals. (urgh!)

I know I have to put a marker next to the keyword, choose Glossary
type, but how do I get it to know about the definition?

urgh!

thanks in advance!

Brighid
brighid@bass.lkw.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bwild@fzi.de
Subject: FM 3.0.1 on NeXT
Reply-To: bwild@fzi.de
Organization: FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik, Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:06:10 GMT

I recently posted to this Newsgroup that there's a severe bug in FM 3.0 on NeXT  
which appeared after the installation of NeXTSTEP 3.0. FM hanged up if you  
worked with Miniwindows as document icons.
The problem was that nobody of the official distributors here in Germany  
(namely MAGIRUS at Munique) neither knew anything about this bug nor about an  
update from 3.0 to 3.0.1 which is available in the USA. That's typical for  
software distributors!
The solution to all problems is the Demo-CD of NeXT which contains third-party  
demo software (Q2 1992) and among other packages a demo version of FM 3.0.1.  
This version can be copied to your hard disk and licensed by using your old  
license code. That's it!
The CD is available at every NeXT dealer and at every NeXT users group.

P.S. Don't forget to make a copy of your language dictionaries as the CD  
version only contains the US and UK version.

Bernd Wild

===============================================
Bernd Wild                                       
Forschungszentrum Informatik FZI
Dept. Technical Expert Systems and Robotics
Haid-und-Neu-Strasse 10-14
D-7500 Karlsruhe GERMANY 
Tel:   +49-721-9654-310
Fax:   +49-721-9654-309
email: bwild@fzi.de
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Frame 4.0 (Was Re: No 4.0 for NeXT???)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:52:18 GMT

In article <1hkotpINNt94@columbia.cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent
Manis) writes:

>just allows predefined field types; Ami Pro has a (disgustingly crude)
>mechanism by which fields can call any program, which may in turn insert
>text into the document. 

If allowing the document to call a program counts as programming, Frame's
Hypertext can do that, at least under the UNIX OS.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton