From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Exposing Yet Another Historical Revisionist And A Liar: 'Ibaa...'
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:19:19 GMT





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oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)

> I think that not only Armenians are offended by mutlu's posts. His efforts
>to play the apologist for Ottomans has irritated several Arabs also, don't

All your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. Ignorance is
probably the main reason why you are in such a 'Sternlight' mess.
Now, let the Muslims speak for themselves.

Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.

 "When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster 
  of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular 
  Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of 
  these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer..
  These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more
  than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in 
  the eastern vilayets of Turkey."

Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin 
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918). 
The French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens
sur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.
Turkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,
1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,
1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -
Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83
(December 1983), document numbered 1881.
"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....," Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document
 numbered 1869.

"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning
 with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken
 in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army
 withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian
 massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked
 in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places
 selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs
 were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after
 being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part 
 of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the
 cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering
 from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived
 in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.
 Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not
 exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in
 Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything
 that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them
 in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting
 on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages
 left behind after their occupation of this area."
 
>(proven to be a liar by Mr Sternlight and another one who showed how Mutlu
>misquoted shamefully the references to distort their meaning) is really their
>"hero" ?; Just wondering.

Oman. You are counting on a self-admitted liar and a criminal to prove
something for you. No wonder you are in such a mess. Just love it...


Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 42," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer 
        No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1.
        (To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant
        Section Director Major Ali Sukru)

"It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes
 committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities
 in the villages...

 I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain
 on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment
 was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently
 once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge
 stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it
 at a spot that was invisible from the road..."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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