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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:40:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>Hey, guys and girls,

>I think we have side-tracked.  My original post was a list of suggestions
>on how to help China grow into a stronger superpower.

>Then, people started flaming... and the discussion ended up another Tibet
>debate.

>Can people please post suggestions to the question "Ways to help China
>grow into a stronger superpower".. please???

I don't mean to flame you, "Joyous," but may I ask one question?
What is the purpose of having yet another superpower, or superpower at all?

look at the so-called superpower now... what do they do?  They often
try to play the role of a judge or a policeman, yet many times they
dont even understand the whole situation... and coerce their own
values onto other countries...

I don't mean to start another debate, nor am I claiming the superpower
of today should cease to exist.  What I am merely asking is: why is
it necessary to be a superpower?  and what's the purpose of becoming one?
just so other countries wont harrass China?  Nonetheless, in order to 
perpetuate one's superpower status, one has to harass/impose regulations
onto others...

>Chinese people have been a grain of sand for the past x000 years... today
>(and yesterday), I start to see what it means.....

>stop flaming each other.... think practically please, for Chinese's sake!
I agree... however, I would like to extend that a bit... for human beings'
sake.

>-- 
>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Subject: Re: When does a Chinese become an American?
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:23:22 GMT

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	Suppose the U.S. Green Card Bill becomes law. Every Chinese who
>applies for a green card does so (at least officially) with the intent of
>becoming a U.S. citizen. If a Chinese becomes a U.S. citizen does he or
>she then share the blame and glory of America?

>	For instance, will he or she share the blame for the Vietnam War,
>for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the bullying of China, the 
>extermination of Native Americans, etc.?

>	Can he or she take credit for the first moon walk, the first actor
>president :-), etc.?

>	I personally am a second generation American. Yet because I have
>white skin and speak fluent English I feel that American history is somehow
>partly my responsibility. Will the new Chinese U.S. citizens (or their 
>children) feel the same way? Should they? Should I?


>	

America is everybody's America. If you are talking about a racially separate
group that can claim America as its own (and nobody else's)land, I think only 
those who are called American Indians today are eligible. 

MY OPINION is most 1st generation immigrants(regardless of their original
nationality, be it Chinese, Italian, British, Polish, or Indian) accept
US citizenship as a matter of convenience; therefore I think that is
why many of them don't automatically feel they share the "blame and glory of
America".  

For a second generation like you, however, things are different. A second
gen is brought up and educated to understand America in a way it is 
traditionally taught. I think much more second gens feel they share America's
everything than do first gens.


Cheers,
Li, Qiang

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuge@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Zhuge Zhang)
Subject: old classmate
Originator: zhuge@ferrari
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:47:33 GMT

Hi, I am Zhuge Zhang.

I wish to look for the old classmates of university and high school.

From 1982 to 1988, I attended Shanghai No. 2 Middle School of Eash China Normal
University.  Then from 1988 to 1992, Fudan University, Computer Science 
Department.

Old classmate please contact me at once.  Or anyone who know about such person
please tell me immediately.

Surname:	Zhuge
First Name:	Zhang

Address:	2014 Bernard Cr N. #1
		Nashville, TN 37212
			(615)385-4055

Email:	zhuge@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:14:07 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <2A9D8113.5160@orion.oac.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
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>
>shannon

   You just tasted the sweetness of blind loyalty during action 9201.

-ping
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: deng%mao.cs.tsinghua.cn@darmstadt.dbp.de (Deng Zekun)
Subject: Hello from news reader in China
Followup-To: no one
Keywords: hello
Reply-To: deng%mao.cs.tsinghua.cn@darmstadt.dbp.de
Organization: Dept. of CS, Tsinghua Univ.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:34:20 GMT


Hello, everyone in the ssc news net.  How is everything going?  Just from the TV, I saw the damage of Hurricane Andrew.  Hope it won't affect you guys too much.  This is a test message for the news sender here at the Department of Computer Science, Tsinghua University.  I guess it should work.

Right now, our beloved Secratory Jiang Zeming is around me and ask me to say some hello to all of you guys.  He asks me to tell you that China welcomes any oversea CSSs to come back without regarding their past political performance.  We have excellent opportunities here, and now we also need a lot of young men for out faculty positions.  Well, if you decide to stay abroad, in US or wherever, that's fine.  But I just saw some posts in this newsgroup involved too many bad words, and that's not too good.  Tr











y not to say any more.

Best wishes.

Deng
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China (Bill's wondering still...but no one seems to care!)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:33:22 GMT

In article <9224514.704@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
>
>	This is totally untrue! The Hongkong people in Australia have
>	many social "activities", eg. some contests such as karaoke
>	singing, poetry, and well, sports, too. There're actually more
>	that I've never heard of - some related to the Australian 
>	multi-culture programme. 
>	

The situation is that, if people are not from Hongkong, e.g. like me or
others, they completely have no information or access at all to these
activities.  I did say "as I know", which is what I know.  Sometimes,
you may notice those programmes of culture activities in Opera House or
Arts Centre.  I can see most of them are organised by the groups of
non-aisan originals, e.g. Greek.  I have seen once in 1988 in Opera
House, there was a Chinese Opera there.  

If the culture activities are more for the people from the same original
place, they are more entertainment rather than social activities.
Because, most of the people in the society cannot access to it.

By the way, they do have some activities going on in China Towns during
Chinese New Year.  People can see those lion-dancing (Don ! Don!
drumming), that is the impression of local people on what the Chinese
culture is.

Regards.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Japanese Expansion - 1930's (was: An open letter to the Emperor...)
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:50:40 GMT


Some insulting comments deleted


Ok, enough already!!!  Carry that kind of foulness to .flame groups or
alt.sex.gerbils. You are certainly not adding to the respect of other
cultural groups (your own for example) by writing that kind of scurrilous
garbage.

Charlie


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From: guang@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Anyone knows the visa number of Oct.?
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:42:51 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Does anyone know the visa number of October?  Please post it.  Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: zha6@ellis.uchicago.edu (minghui  zhang)
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Reply-To: zha6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:26:41 GMT

In article <BtM06M.Bso@acsu.buffalo.edu> chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang) writes:
>lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:
>
>>>Really a Chun_Fu, what else can I say.
>>
>>And what are you?  A communist running dog.  What's your problem, man?
>
>Hey, what has is to do with communism?
>
>>Too much study that screw up your peanut-sized mind.  When the original 
>>poster commented on the swimmer, I was trying to inject a little sarcasm 
>>by saying why gossip about something that's insignificant, especially when
>>we don't know the facts.  If you (or other people) don't get it, fine!  
>>
>>But you!  You have to go around insult me and say I'm a Chun_Fu.
>>It's people like you who make the world more miserable.  Can't get rid
>>of your habit of branding people, eh?
>>
>>You have something very peculiar of the typical so called "xiao yen" (little
>>man): always turns white to black.
>>
>>All I can say is: "Get a life, jerk!"
>>
>>--Ben
>
>Ok, you're not a Chun_Fu.

The ways of chifang spelling "chun fu" and ben spelling "xiao yen" remind me that "zhanmen dou shi dongbei yen ba?" -)

Just couldn't resist.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:43:04 GMT
Distribution: usa

Article 40756 of soc.culture.china:
From: gt9414b@ferrari.uucp (Wing-Cheong William Man) wrote:

(all the previous quotes of blah blah blah deleted.)

>I would also like to give you my suggestion. Go back to Hong Kong and
>contribute what you know. You said you are from HK, right? Go back with
>me! I'm leaving US this month. It will be wonderful to accept the 
>unprecedented challenge of HK.

Salute!  This is what I call a real Man!  A man with deeds not words.

Best luck to you!
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 11
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:08:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 11)

In 589 AD, the oldest known reference to paper for use as toilet paper
is made in China.

In 602 AD, Korean priests introduce the Chinese calendar and astonomy
into Japan.

Between 600 AD and 609 AD, the Chinese print whole pages with
woodblocks, although the earliest known surviving pages are from the
700s AD.

Between 610 AD and 619 AD, Li C'un (a Chinese) builds the Great Stone 
Bridge over the Chiao Shui River in China; it is the first example of 
a segmental arch bridge and it survives intact.

A clear statement of the rule that the tail of a comet always points
away from the sun is written in China in 635 AD.

In 635 AD, the value of Pi is given as 3.1415927 (using decimals) in the
official history of the Sui dynasty (China).

In 643 AD, the Chinese physician Chen Ch'uan is the first person to have
noted the symptoms of diabets mellitus, including thirst and sweet
urine.

In 688 AD, the empress Wu Tse of China has a pagoda 90 m (294 ft) tall
built of cast iron.

In 695 AD, the empress Wu Tse of China has a cast-iron column made from
about 1325 tons of iron to commemorate the Chou dynasty.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Subject: New topic of discussion: China's Elite Culture
Summary: New topic of discussion: China's Elite Culture
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:12:37 GMT

Netters: allow me to propose a new topic of discussion on the net - China's 
Elite Culture: Her Past, Present and Future.

Q1: Does China have an elite culture now(I understand she did exist throughout
    China's history)?
Q2: Is it necessary to have an elite culture at all?
Q3: What is the future outlook of China's elite culture?
Q4: How should one compare China's elite culture with those of non-Chinese
    nations?

These are just preliminary questions for this supposedly broad issue. I hope 
we can come up with some interesting ideas through interation. 

Have fun everybody.

Cheers,
Li, Qiang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:12:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.114942.21871@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>>	I'd like to point out that in the early 1900's the Western 
>>capitalists in China said that they treated the (Han) Chinese better
>>than they treated themselves. And most Westerners outside of China
>>believed it!!
>
>One thing for sure, they did not named the china as a province of British, or
>whatever the other country,  they treated China as colony. If you don't know
>the difference between this two, 2nd grade in China is a good place, to learn.


The point here is not the difference between provinces and colonies, it is
whether and People A can treat people B better than People A treat 
themselves.

No need to append your comments with sarcastic barbs. Strong emotions do 
not make your arguments any more cogent.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang)
Subject: Re: Singapore English (Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:27:34 GMT

In article <78853@ut-emx.uucp> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew) writes:
>
>I havn't paid much attention to the vocabulary that Singaporians use (whether
>they are more English or American or Singaporian).  However, their accent is
>very distinguishable.  Definitely not British nor American.  I have also 
>observed that Malaysians and Singaporians have quite similar accent, although
>the accent of Malaysians may not be as uniform as the Singaporians.
>
There are roughly two groups of Singaporean, one speaks English only and
the other one speaks both English and their mother tongue.  They can be
Chinese original or others.  For the first group, they speaks English as
good as people from UK.  They look like Chinese, but do not know Chinese
language.  That is why the government here is promoting "Speaking
Chinese" towards Chinese original.  For the second group, their English
more or less mixing up with certain accent.  Sort of like you just said.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:25:23 GMT

In article <BtKLp3.Fr6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)  
writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.234727.8644@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug25.222406.6965@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
> >cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> >> ...
> > I am too old to feel flattered for that.
> > ...
> >I do plan to go back to China, and believe it is a good choice for me,  
myself
> >too. It was carfully thought dicision, not only on personal basis, also on
> >observation the society of States.
> 
> What's so hurting that makes you post two responses in 1.5 hours?  Are you
> really too old to survive here? :-)
> 
> The original message was CLEARLY addressed to some of the overseas CSS
> who are FGNCing and ass-kissing CCP/CG at same time, your original message
> merely happened to be chosen to start the topic/discussion :-)
> 
> It's fine that you plan to go back, there was a Cambridge Ph.D. on SCC who
> announced that he would go back and he did it in a few months in 1991, and
> his return is verifiable - his big name is printed on People's Daily from 
> time to time, page 1 or page 3, don't know if you can make yourself 
> verifiable like that Cambridge Ph.D. :-)
> 
> Anyway, don't bother to start the mess on which system is better (or your
> "observation"), simply watch the direction of main stream of immigration,
> people always vote by their feet like yourself!
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Bo Xiong in Chicago


In my opinion, Xiong, you don't have to pay too much attention to this kind of  
people. I guess every society has some people who are not satisfied with  
anything. China certainly has too.

Before they came out, they complained a lot about the CCP and CG because they  
were not satisfied. They thought the US would satisfy them. Now they are in the  
US and found that US is far from satisfactory. What can they do? Nothing but  
talking about going back and dreaming of theirs glorious past, and even the  
oppresing CCP becomes a loving party to them. I don't know if they will really  
go back, or just moan around. But one thing seems certain, if they go back,  
they will complain about CCP again. Then they will probably think of leaving  
China and going to the Moon.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:13:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.151313.19320@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.193549.2086@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>To marry each other. Most of them surrendered. One monk jumped off a cliff and  
So were the oldest son of Deng except he was luckY. 
tHEre much more HAN people die and suffer
from the culture revolutioN. Using a bad example like these is not going
to make youself not to be a racist. Why not spend more on REducing your own
discrimination against blacks and minorities instead of "CREATING" more
problem all over the world to "MAKE" your own behavor to be "NORMAL".
You don't have to say you are the "BEST" in the world.


>>died.
>>
>>The incident I mentioned above might just be and isolated event. The point here  
>>is when we are accusing somebody of being brainwashed, have we ever thought  
>>that we might also be brainwashed.
>>
>>Carl
>>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:37:49 GMT

In article <65500056@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:
>
>>	Yang Ze
>>	Shi Chunde
>>	Brian Lin

>Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
>the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
>your trust:-)), but I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
>you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
>for you, you are from ohio, right? that remaind me of one speech 
>made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA), 
>if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
>give you some advise on your project. 
>First, there are two version of the speech:
>.
>.
>.
>First question:
>1) Which is the original version (by A.L.).
>2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
>(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
>answers.)
>If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
>This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
>why bother to teach him our Chinese matter."
>By the way, are you sure you are not related to CIT at all?
>I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
>club once visited by CIA, CIA offered help to them, I really
>cannot afford this).
>Ze Yang.


Ze Yang:

This is the last time I will respond to one of your postings. In fact, I
will not even read another of your postings. It's not your boorish attitude 
that puts me off, it's the complete absence of information or ideas.

I included your name in my request because I have not read many Chinese
accounts of recent Tibetan history, but I would like to. I thought you'd
have some sources at your fingertips. If you are not willing to provide 
me with that information, so be it.

I do not know the answer to your Abraham Lincoln question, but I do think
it is absurd to imply that one need be an expert on one's own nation's
history before one can have a legitimate interest in another nation's
history. Your paranoid and juvenille sense of tactics amazes me.

I do not support Tibetan Independence and I am not with U.S. intelligence.
I'm an average U.S. citizen with an interest in China, and an admittedly
skeptical eye on any information which has been filtered by the CCP
propaganda machine. However, I try to keep an open mind, and that's why
I made my original request.

So, fare thee well, Ze Yang, and whatever you do, don't release over the
net any information the CIA might get ahold of! Heavens, no!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china