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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:17:03 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 663

In this issue:
                       Looking for Bryan Blumberg
                          Letter to Gov Wilson
                              Pete Wilson
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 660
                 Sisterly support and regional news....
         UCLA GayNetters: lunch Noon SHARP Today, North Campus
                          OLTL, Moday, Aug 24
                            CREAMED MINI-VAN
                              checking in

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 07:31:20 EDT
From: (bmcconne) <bmcconne@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Subject: Looking for Bryan Blumberg

Hello netland,

Does anyone still have Bryan Blumberg's (of GLAAD fame) email address.

Thanx,
Brian
Brian S McConnell
1104 Ascot Lane
Blacksburg, VA 24060
REPLY TO !!! -> bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 07:34:23 EDT
From: (bmcconne) <bmcconne@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Subject: Letter to Gov Wilson

To: Governor Pete Wilson
State of California
Fax: (916)445-4633

 From: Brian S McConnell
 1104 Ascot Lane
 Blacksburg, VA 24060

Dear Gov. Wilson:

I am writing to urge you to sign the bill into law which will protect
California citizens fromdiscrimination on the basis of sexual orientation
in employment. While I am not a Californiaresident, I am writing because
your action on this bill will have repercusions throughout the nation.

I authored a similar resolution which covers a much smaller domain, our
university, Virginia Tech.The resolution at Virginia Tech covered the
entire university (except those in the employ of the USmilitary) and
protects students and faculty from discrimination in employment, admissions
andhousing on the basis of sexual orientation.

The opponents to this bill used the same reasons Rev. Sheldon is using
against the California law.Since enactment of the Virginia Tech resolution,
we have noticed no great administrative burdenbeing placed on the school;
we have noticed no undue hardship being placed on the working facultyof the
university (except those who would actively purge gay/lesbian
subordinates); and we haveonly seen protection on the basis of "sexual
orientation" interpreted as protection of gay/lesbian/bisexual people, not
protection of pedophiles, as Rev Sheldon warns.

Another argument against this bill is based on not extended protected
status to a minority which"chooses" its lifestyle. Let's assume this is a
choice [to be gay], which it isn't. Sheldon and otherssurely know that they
are protected from discrimination on the basis of religion. One's
religiousconvictions, or lack thereof, are hardly genetic, and often change
a great deal during the course ofone's life, so this is a moot argument.
The simple fact is that Sheldon and his followers are bigotswho do not like
gay and lesbian people, and want to see their bigotry written into law.

If you're concerned about a backlash from the fundies (the higher the
hair, the closer to God), mayI suggest that you reach out to the mainstream
churches (Presbyterian, Episcopal, Unitarian,Lutheran and Jewish). They
value diversity much more, and probably feel equally, if not more,
threatened by the practices of the fundamentalist Right.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,


Brian S McConnell
Brian S McConnell
1104 Ascot Lane
Blacksburg, VA 24060
REPLY TO !!! -> bmcconne@vtssi.vt.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 08:45:56 -0400
From: info-25@info.umd.edu
Subject: Pete Wilson

thanks to the person who posted his letters to gov wilson and the
newspaper. it inspired me to go homw and right an impassioned, and of course
eloquent, plea to wilson to pass the bill. i hope it gets there in time.
i'll try to right to the cincinnati city council tonight. keep up
the good works, people. :)

paula

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:03:30 EDT
From: georgick@hal.hahnemann.edu
Subject: RE: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 660

Ron-

in response to pat buchanan's statement about feminism causing women to leave
their husbands, kill children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
become lesbians a friend of mine noted, "well, four out of five ain't bad.  we
don't kill children unless he is talking about abortion".

ole pat sure has a gift for summation, dontcha think?

tamara
georgick@hal.hahnemann.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 09:09:33 EST
From: Bill Stanford Pincheon-THE SHANGO PROJECT <PINCHEO@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Sisterly support and regional news....

Summarized from an AP report...

Nuns Criticize Vatican

The Sisters of Loretto, a Roman Catholic Order of nuns, has criticized a
Vatican document supporting discrimination against lesbigays.  The Sisters
charge the document contradicts a belief in basic human dignity and have
adopted the general assembly statement:

"It saddens us that the Vatican would enter the U.S. political arena by
encouraging a departure from the finest ideals which promote equality and
basic civil rights for everyone."

The Sisters agree with part of the Vatican's statement opposing "violent
malice" against lesbigays; however, they feel that the document "by
approving of discriminatory behavior...helps create the very climate which
fosters the violence and gay-bashing which it seeks to condemn."

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Summarized from Saturday Herald-Times, Bloomington

Clergy ordered not to marry gay couples

The head of United Methodist Churches in Indiana has ordered the denomination's
clergy not to perform marriage-like ceremonies for gay couples.

Indiana Area United Methodist Bishop Leroy C. Hodapp's decree this week was
in response to a protest by a group of clergy against a gay ceremony
performed last month at Broadway United Methodist Church in Indianapolis.

- -

The Fairness Campaign in Lousiville, Kentucky, which sought to add anti-
discriminatory protection for lesbigays in employment, housing and add
'sexual orientation' to the city's anti-discrim. clause was defeated by
a majority of the Louisville Board of Alderman.  The vote was 8-4.  Louisville
lesbigay activists vowed that they were not defeated and would vote members
opposing the measure out of office.  Some Aldermen (sic), perhaps in an
attempt to assauge their conscience, noted that they could not support the
measure but that they did not condone violence against lesbigay people--and
were met with a rousing chorus of chants or laughter, noting the mockery
of their stance.  One Alderman (who should probably be called Alderwoman)
noted that she received threats from community members that if she didn't
support the measure they would run for her office.  "That's the kind of
pressure I'm up against" she noted.

This was a very heated campaign, there were ignorant bigots spouting such
nonsense, misquoting God's Word (tm), saying that they were "tired of
the city of Louisville pushing things down their throats"--bet you've hear
d that one before!--and a group of African American ministers soughts to
raise $15,000. to defeat the campaign.

I was very disappointed with the board for opposing the measure and feel that
they are very out of touch with many of the residents of Louisville.  Louisville
lesbigays have come along way, gaing more visibility and sensetivity to
lesbigay issues.  It was six years ago that I marched in the city's first
annual pride march.

Bill Pincheon

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P.O. BOX 2341
Bloomington, IN  47402-2341  "Here, Now, Today--Stepping into Tomorrow."
812.334.8860
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Subject: UCLA GayNetters: lunch Noon SHARP Today, North Campus
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:20:06 -0500
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

UCLA Gaynetters!

A bunch of us will be gathering in front of the North Campus Student Center
doors to meet and then eat lunch there at 12 noon *sharp* today. I will be
wearing my "Clinton-Gore" and "Nobody Knows I'm Gay" buttons, and a striped
shirt.

See you there!
---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Birth Control is disgusting--people using each other for pleasure."
                               Randall Terry, Chairman, Operation Rescue.

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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: OLTL, Moday, Aug 24
Summary: Plot synopsis for Monday, Aug 24
Keywords: Plot, Oltl, soap
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: 	Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:54:55 -0600

        Well, I'm getting behind again.  I'm going to try and get all of
this week's episodes done this weekend so I can start fresh on Monday.
OK, here goes...


Monday, Aug 24

        Sloan stands poised with the scissors.  Andrew moves to prevent him
from attacking the panel, but Vicki says "Andrew no!  Leave him alone, please.
If he wants to take his son's nmae off the panel let him do it himself."

        Sloan has a flashback, remebering a time when William was very young.
He is harshly berating William for breaking a kite that was given to him as a
gift, calling him weak and clumsy.  This appears to be a painfull memory.

        He continues to hesitate.  "You can't do it, can you dad?" asks
Andrew,  "Dad, are you allright?"

        "No I'm not allright.  And I won't play your game."  He becomes angry.
"If your intention was to humiliate me, then you've succeeded."  He puts down
the scissors and storms out of the rectory.

        "I'm sorry," Vicki says to Andrew, and runs after Sloan.

        Back at the Buchannon residence Clint and Kevin are discussing how
food seems to be disappearing lately.  Joey comes in.  Kevin asks him if he
knows the whereabouts of a missing bag of `cheese munchos.'  Joey denies
having any knowledge of the snack food.

        Clint begins questioning him about where he's been.  He says he went
to the movies with Alana.  Clints says he's been `going to the movies' a lot
lately.  He asks "Is this some `new thing', where you take sacks of groceries
to the movies?  Or are you a one-man supply line for your friend Billy
Douglas"

        Billy denies this (not very well,) but Clint presses the point.  "I
think you know where Billy Douglas is.  I think you've been feeding him;
Hiding him.  I think you've made this whole little `escapade' possible."

        "Well, think what you want to think," replies Joey.

        Clint reiterates that he has told Joey several times to stay away
from Billy.  He then tells Joey that he is grounded for backtalking and
petty theft.  He tells Joey to go up to his room.

        While Clint turns to talk to Kevin, Joey turns to leave.  Instead
of going upstairs he heads straight for the front door,

        Back at Sloan's, Vicki has just caught up with him.  She appologizes,
"I never meant to humiliate you, or to hurt you in any way."

        She explains the motivation ber actions.  "I want so much for you to
accept your son, and the love that I know you feel for him, but I pushed you
too hard.  I'm sorry."

        They talk about Sloan's feelings.  "I have lots of trouble," he says,
"but not with knowing my feelings.  I know exactly what I feel.  I saw those
bits and pieces of my son laid out...  I felt violated.  *Enraged* that my
family's privacy was flaunted for public display."

        "Well you can certainly attack me for whatever it is you feel I've
done," says Vicki. "But then I think you should deal with the truth.  No one
was `flaunting' anything.  I was watching you when you were looking at the
panel, and I saw it in your face.  You love your son.  But for some reason
you insist on covering it up.  Why?  Whay won't you allow yourself to feel
that love?"

        "You military men [...] are so good at discipline!  Why don't you
let it go?  Or are you too afraid?"

        Sloan denies being afraid.

        "Of course you're afraid," ounters Vicki.  "You're afraid just like
the rest of us.  That you're going to die alone, and there will be no  one
left to remeber you with love.  If you push Andrew away any more that fear
that you have is going to come true.  Sloan, you have to help your self.
Now."

        "How?"

        "Get the treatment that you need.  And then please, try to accept your
sons."

        "You have made me so angry," says Sloan.  "But you've made me feel.
And what's all this talk about me being alone?  You'll be here.  You'll re-
member me."

        "We're not talking about me," says Vicki.

        "I am," replies Sloan.  "I'm talking about you.  It's time that i told
you something that I've been holding in for a long time."

        "I think there are some things far better left unsaid," says Vicki,
getting quit uncomfortable.

        Sloan continues.  "I used to think that too, but not anymore.  I'm
dealing with a new set of rules.  You're right, I am afraid.  Dying scares
the hell out of me.  But there's something liberating about it.  No more
thoughts about the conventional behaviour: doing `right,' doing `wrong.'
That's all out the window now.  It allows me to do things I've never done
before."

        "Don't do things you shouldn't do," says Vicki, getting worried.

        "`Should,' `shouldn't.'  Those are terms I'm not using anymore.  I
was bound by the code of a gentleman.  I can now be myself.  A man who wants
to tell you how I feel about you.  You have brought me out of the darkness
where I lived."

        Vicki contiues to grow more uncomfortable as Sloan goes on, and
emplores him to stop.

        "You've been trying to get me in touch with my feelings," says Sloan.
"These are my feelings.  Why should i keep them bottled up?  And why are you
afraid of them?  What about your feelings?  Can you do what you advise me to
do?"

        "I have to go," says Vicki.

        "Please don't go.  I don't have time for games.  I only have time
for truth.  WIll you give that to me?"

        This banter continues.  Vicki blames Sloan's feelings on his illness.
Sloan says he isn't confused; He knows what he is feeling.  He says that
Vicki has given him a reason to continue.  She says she's glad that he is
going to get treatment.

        Sloan presses Vicki to admit that she has similar feelings for him.
She gets flustered and even more distressed.  She tries to go back to
discussing Andrew and William, but Sloan presses his point again.  Vicki
finally becomes too distraught, and runs out appologizing.

[At this point I was thinking `Come *on Vicki!  Dump that buttwad husband
 of yours, take Joey and go with Sloan!  He 'aint perfect, but he's better
 than Clint.]

        Back at the rectory, Cassie discovers a note has been slipped under
the door.  She gives it to Andrew.  It reads:

                GET OUT OF TOWN FAG-LOVER,
                TAKE YOUR FAGGOT QUILT WITH YOU.

        Andrew offers Cassie an explanation of where the word `faggot' came
from. [One I'd never heard before!]  He says that a long time ago men (real
men) smoked pipes and cigars.  Then cigarettes came along, and men who smoked
them were considered effeminate, and called faggots.

        They both agree that it is pretty stupid, and hateful.  Andrew states
his hopes that the Quilt will have a positive impact on the town's rather
negative opinions.

        Later, Joey shows up at Andrew's office.  He wants to talk about the
problems he's having with his father.  He explains that he wants to be a
good friend to Billy, and a good son to his father, but these positions
seem to be at odds.

        Andrew doesn't have any quick answers.  He suggests that Joey continue
talking with his father, try to find some understanding.

        "Sometimes," says Joey, "when I'm having problems with my dad, I
think about Billy's dad.  Then I think I'm lucky."

        Andrew tells Joey that he knows Joey knows where Billy is.  Joey
attempts to deny it, but Andrew cuts him off, saying that he doesn't have
to tell where he is.  He just wants to know if Billy is OK.  Joey says
that he is, for now.

        Joey demands that Andrew promise not to tell anyone that he knows
where Billy is.  Andrew promises, saying that he is used to confidentiality.

        "Tat's not what Billy thinks," says Joey.  He explains that Billy
thought Andrew had squealed to his mother when he came to see Andrew [many
shows ago.]  Andrew explains that it isn't true, that Billy ran out
before he had a chance to talk to him.

[That's it for Monday.  I hope to get Tuesday done later tonight, but I'm not
 promising.]


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 My opinions are my own.         |  You can't be proud of who you are
 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
 Civil Rights Are For Queers!    |  Cruise Men, Not Missiles! - anon

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Date:        Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:39:19 EDT
From: "AAKL000@CATCC.bitnet  Kevin S. Lowery Catonsville"
 <AAKL%CATCC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: CREAMED MINI-VAN

> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 17:21:37 EDT
> From: @mitvma.mit.edu:K295SS@TAMVM1.BITNET
> Resent-Message-Id: <9208242121.AA24886@Athena.MIT.EDU>
> Resent-Date:  Mon, 24 Aug 92 16:19:33 CDT
> Resent-From: Stephanie Smith <K295SS%TAMVM1.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
> Resent-To: gaynet@Athena.MIT.EDU
>
> Friday someone ran a stoplight and creamed my mini-van.  The impact was
> at the point where the driver's door joins the frame.  The left, front
> wheel was bent under some, which means the frame, the axle, and the
> transmission were probably messed up.  My question is this:  should
> I press them to total it or fix it?  Some people I have asked have told
> me that once the frame is bent, the car is ruined, even if it is repaired.
> Other people have told me that the car can be completely repaired and will
> be fine.  It is a 1990 Dodge Caravan, if that makes a difference.  Any one
> know anything about this?
>
> Stephanie Smith
> K295SS@TAMVM1

Stephanie, sorry to use up GAYNET space for this personal item, but
sometimes mail bounces back and I hate that!  Anyway, to the matter
at hand.  From experience, whoever told you that your van would be
fine after having the frame bent back in place is wrong.  Once the
frame is bent it effects how the car drives and the handling of it
for the rest of the life of your vehicle.

I had a small red AMC hornet when going to a local community college.
I pretty much bent in a 45 degree angle the front part of the frame.
Well, my parents didn't have the money for another car and just had it
bent back.  It drove sloppy.  The steering was never extremely accurate
anymore.  It shook like crazy.  I started to wear out tires unevenly,
etc.  Everything from then on was out of whack and actually, it almost
blew up on my father the year after I went away to college, so they
got rid of it.  Now, they might be able to fix it so that it is
driveable for six months or a year thereafter, but I would start to look
for a new vehicle immediately.

Besides, it cost several thousand dollars (what now would easily equal
apprx. $3000) to fix could easily be money that would be more well-spent
for a handsome downpayment on a new or slightly-used mini-van!  Hope
that I was of some help.  Let me know how it all turns out!


________________________________________________________________________
\ think  /  Kevin S. Lowery            |
 \ pink /   Catonsville Com. College   |
  \    /    800 South Rolling Road     | "Even TWINKIES come in pairs!"
   \  /     Catonsville, MD 21228      |              -- Anonymous
    \/      AAKL000@CATCC.BITNET       |
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Date: 28 Aug 1992 15:05:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: BOLDINGW@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: checking in

  Just trying this internet address.  Anyone outthere?  If so, my
	internet address should be:boldingw@acfcluster.nyu.edu
	Thanks.

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