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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:34:39 CST
From: <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
 <1993Jan20.215552.5661@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>

In article <1993Jan20.215552.5661@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Skybax Rider, Apprentice Class) says:
>
>   How do we deal with Satan in the DC universe?  Is he the flip side of
>   God?  Wasn't he already in Hell when Lucifer got there (I thought I'd
>   read that here someplace)?
>

Well from what I've been able to make out of the "Guys and Dolls" story
was that the Devil (not Lucifer) was also created by God
and that God put him in Hell before Lucifer's fall from grace.  I think
the flip side of God is the Chaos being from Alan Moore's Gothic Saga in
Swamp Thing.  According to Milton's Paradise Lost, the Chaos being is an
entity supposedly equal in power to God.
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:24:56 GMT
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>>If a Dream that Dream created (or re-created) killed Orpheus, then I
>>think everyone would still hold Dream responsible.  I think that's why
>>Dream had to use a human agent to rescue Orpheus in the first place --
>>if a dream did then it would be the same as Dream doing it.  But I
>>don't know that a human agent would be willing to pay the price for
>>killing Orpheus - no matter what the reward from Dream.  Loki or Puck
>>might be willing ...

>But, but, he's only a head! How do you kill someone who can keep living 
>without the aid of most of his body?

>Seriously, something big will have to happen before Orpheus can die. 
>At the moment, Death can't take him. If the boon he asks for is death,
>Dream would be hard put to grant Orpheus that request. I would guess that
>it would require that Dream take control of Death's realm or something equally
>drastic. We've seen that members of the Endless don't even like to visit
>the realms of their siblings, so working within those realms would be a
>desperate act. 

As far as I remember, the only time Dream can kill is when there is a
vortex.  Only then can he take a life ('member Rose Walker?) instead
of his sister doing the honours I suppose.  Have to go back and reread
Doll's House.

(Thanks for the list Squiddie.  I feel like an actual being in space now)

bye all.

LJC

-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
From: mwd3@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew W. Dempsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Some Image Reviews
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:55:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young) says:

>
>Note #2:  I have heard a lot of Jim McFarlane bashing based on his arrogance
>	and such.  Just for the record I would like to say that I solicited
>	questionairres about the comic book business to Image and Marvel 
>	writers/artists (no PAD wasnn't one) and he was the only one to answer 
>	the questionniare, In fact he personally answered most of the questions
>	with comments.  I thought this was a fairly nice thing that an arrogant
>	person.

     Whoin god's name is JIM McFarlane??????
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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #41
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:04:44 GMT
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Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

berninge@cs.purdue.edu (Jim Berninger) writes:

}I've *never* been a fan of Liefeld, but I have to admit that I like most of
}the new costumes -- especially Inferno's, Andromeda's, and Ultra Boy's.
}Invisible Kid's will *certainly* take some getting used to.  As for the
}rest, oh well.  

The worst costume has to be Ferro Lad's.  He looks like he belongs in
a high school marching band.  

And, in general, the girls' costumes do cover way too much.

--James Preston

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Subject: Re: MISC:  Missed Deadlines
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:08:15 GMT

In article <1jvk1uINN6cv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) says:
>
>>Recently, people have been bitching about how late some titles are;
>>the Image books, Miracleman, On a Pale Horse...  

Gotta be Miracleman, or if not, definitely an Eclipse book.

>>So, in your opinion, which title has the worst record, and why?
>
>Well, Miller + Darrow's _Hard Boiled_ #3 was a full
> year late.  They even mentioned it on the cover.
>
>Assuming (hoping) it ever comes out, the grand master
> of late shipment will be Wagner's _Mage II_.  Every
> so often I pull out my copy of Mage #15 + read the
> blurb "Mage II, coming in Summer 1987"...

My guess is that this time magic will be grey :)

Yup, of things still expected "someday", this is the granddaddy.  But
I wouldn't include anything whose publisher died, like from Comico or
First.

>Anyone later than that?

Big Numbers is in close pursuit :)

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
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From: kehandle@unix.amherst.edu (KEITH EDWARD HANDLEY)
Subject: Re: Superhero comics as a genre
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:14:37 GMT

Isaac N. Truder (intruder@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
: [...]  His comments in the first paragraph -- about series
: wherein superheroes "behave as they would in the real world" made me
: think of series like those Rick Veitch is putting out lately, including
: BRAT PACK and MAXIMORTAL.  These two series strike me as extremely
: mean-spirited and vicious attacks at the genre.

Vicious, yes; mean-spirited, no.

: Veitch seems to be
: going so far out of his way to dredge up all the possible ills of
: society and ascribe them to superheroes that all he ends up with is a
: rather juvenile piece of crass commercialism -- or commercial crassness.

I didn't get Scott McCloud's DESTROY! when it came out, because I thought
it would be much like you I think you think BP and Max are.  If I'm not
interested in superhero comics that are all just fight scenes, why would
I want to read an attack on such that is just one be superhero comic with
fight scenes?  Now, of course, I wish I had got it, because at the very
least it would be the worst thing I ever read by McCloud.  BP and Max
go beyond my (probably mistaken) impression of DESTROY! by going over
the top not only with what the superheroes do (as happened in Max with
the "harvest" issue), yes.  But he is telling a story just as likely
as the one in Action #1.  Also, I don't think he's setting out to
write "the end-all of superhero comics," but something far more
conservative.

: WATCHMEN was an alternative look at superheroes, but its aim wasn't to
: attack the genre or try to tear down its fan base.  Rather the contrary
: -- in the WATCHMEN, it was a "superhero" who managed to solve the
: world's ills in the end, for better or for worse.

SPOILER FOR WATCHMEN AHEAD, in case anyone here hasn't read it.
SPOILER: I think that the last panel of Watchmen and Moore's comments
in interviews demonstrates that the world's ills weren't *solved* by
a superhero, and in fact they weren't solved at all.  The future is
in the hands of the guy with the smiley face on his shirt, and the
idea that problems got solved by Veidt is only as reliable as that
smiley face.  Like Veitch, vicious, but not mean-spirited.

Keith Handley  kehandley@amherst.edu
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Film Noir comics (if you see what I mean)
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:57:59 GMT
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Elizabeth Holden (panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca) writes:

>Agreed!  It is *use* of black and white in a totally effective way.  
>Miller used some similar effects in some of his Elektra work, with 
>colour, but there couldn't be anything like Sin City in colour.

Why do I suddenly flash on DC's colorized reprinting of V for Vendetta?

------------------------------
                             |     I heard gunshots from the kitchen, and raced
Jim Drew                     | in to find Sheriff David pointing a now-unloaded
jrd@frame.com                | police revolver at the refrigerator.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I got it!" he said.  "I got the monster!"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     I gingerly opened the refrigerator.  A week
B(2)h t c k g+(p) rv p e     | without power had left the insides pretty scary,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | but I saw no monster.  I pulled out a package of
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | shot-up cheese, instead.
                             |     "I think you got the meunster, Sheriff."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
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From: jdraper@andy.bgsu.edu (johanna draper)
Subject: JLA/Avenegrs = Squadron Supreme/?
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:22:52 GMT


M Now that we've seen the list of who corresponds to whom with the JLA/
  Squadron Supreme, how about the Avengers and (I believe it was) the
  Extremists?

  And who was Tom Thumb supposed to be?

 

 
 

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:29:03 GMT

In article <C1Hz5M.6sw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> 
[Theories about the Chinese kid with Death]
> >
> >Chang Tso-Lin would have been a soldier/bandit in Manchuria by 1893.
> >I was definitely wrong there.
> 
> Here's an amusing thought:
> 
> It coudl just be an ordinary human guy who did nothing truly famous to merit
> writing down.

Exactly!  The point isn't *who* he is, but the reason why Death chooses to
live as a mortal for one day.

"Think of it, Lance.  To have a warm hand against yours in a breezy summer
night.  To hear him passionately tell you his about dreams, and his love.
Oh yes, I'd live for that."

The kid was awfully well-dressed for a cattle driver, whoever he was...
-- 
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From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: re:green lanterns
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:41:57 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <C18KHI.Bt9@world.std.com>, modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall) writes:
> somebody postulated that a GL's ring lasts for one day of whatever
> planet the GL happens to be on... interesting hypothesis, but what
> about the GL that was a planet?  there was a GL that was a whole
> planet... theoretically, that GL could make the ring last forever, no?
> 
> -mark
> 
As all of the reply post can attest to, different people
have different explanations for how long the different GL rings
stay charged.  The problem stems from the fact that the many
GL writers over the years have given different explanations.
Even if Gerald Jones establishes some fact about this, the 
next writer will probably change it.  So it is best not to worry
or argue about these things as there is no "true" explanation.

The two typical explanations are that the ring time is tuned to
the GL's planet's rotation, or that it just happens to be about 24
hours for all GL's and ours go lucky that it was about 1 day.

Mark
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Update about upcoming issues.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:31:00 GMT

mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:

> jhildebr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:

>>	As an interesting side note, Neil is not only very familiar with
>>Usenet, but from something he said it sounds like he sees a lot of the
>>postings that are made here. (Either he's got an account somewhere or else
>>someone's forwarding postings to him.) And he said that the only thing that
>>had really annoyed him from Usenet was during A Game of You when someone
>>looked up Murphy in the OED, and then posted it without any spoiler warnings.

>Oh Puh-lease! (Hey...if I gave PAD a 'puh-lease' NG deserves one too ;) If 
>he didn't want us looking in the OED, he shouldn't have used it...or maybe
>he should just check the OED before naming characters from it...after all
>that's where I first learned the big secret about Fiddler's Green

>

>that it was a place! 

Anyone who knew anything about irish fishermen already knew Fiddler's Green
is a place.  
 Murphy was meant to be a surprise.  Apparently Neil didn't know
 how much we Sandokaku enjoy speculation.

 now he knows.



 LJC

-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:36:45 GMT

In article <lme9ulINN184@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>DC has been very careful about using his characters since then : the only place
>in which they've appeared not written by Gaiman has been Ambush Bug and Lobo. 

Also in Legion of Super-Heroes (#38), which is going to make that issue a major
pain to retcon away, since they'd have to get Gaiman's permission....
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Urges of a 501 murderous rage...
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:25:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I was at the NYC convention this past Saturday (what a miserably produced
show, BTW), and LO AND BEHOLD, look who came to grace us with his presence...

501 himself!

I was standing six feet away from him.  I could have rid the comics world of
the high lord of heresy with a simple lunge and a two clenched fists around
his throat.  But, for some unknown reason, I resisted...

Maybe the size of his head, his short stature, and his annoying personality
generated enough humor to justify letting him live.

-- 

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|  'You should be with us, feeling like we do  -Perry Farrell |     1       |
|   like you love to, but never will again.'                  |    2 3      |
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From: maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:02:03 GMT
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In article <93019.070257RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu>, <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
wrote:
> 
> I just bought first issue of Wizard with the Valient cover and there were
> some photos of the top ten artists and I noticed that a lot of the artists'
> characters resemble the artists.
> 
[examples deleted]
> Any other people out there who noticed this?  What do y'all think?  They
> draw their characters while looking in a mirror?

Kevin Matchstick is supposed to look just like Matt Wagner at the time
Matt is drawing him.  So, the longer we have to wait for Mage II and
Mage III, the less hair he's likely to have once it finally arrives.

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From: un032115@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:05:32 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


>>Wonder Woman = ?? (complete with old hubbie = Steve Trevor)
>   Princess Power

Power Princess. 

>>Black Canary = ?? some bird name, complete with sonic scream

Lady Lark.  She and Golden Archer were an item, until the mini-series.


>>Hawkman = Captain Hawk 

I think he changed his name to Blue Eagle or something during the mini-series.


> no Phantom Stranger

There is a magical person.  Professor Imam, who was active during WWII.  He was
the Wizard Supreme of the Squadron's world, but very old, and near retirement. 
He aided Nighthawk in finding aid to battle the Squadron, but didn't
participate in the actual battle.

> no Red Tornado
> Elongated Man = Shape  (but that's stretching it :-) )
> Atom = Tom Thumb (more of a gadgeteer, no size-changing
> Aquaman = ??? can't remember, but there was one

Amphibian

> Zatanna = Arcanna

When she first appeared, she even used the "backwards magic" gimmick.  This was
never employed during the mini-series.

Ken Bradley
un031334@wvnvms.wvnet.edu


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Sandman Art
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:15:28 GMT

cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:
>From article <1993Jan23.070100.9790@netcom.com>, by dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig):
>> It's not just the coloring.  Jill Thompson's art on this story has
>> been unattractive, uneven, and often sloppy.  The result is that we
>> can't really trust the artwork to convey subtleties.  For example,

>	Last month when people were bitching about the Brief Lives art,
>I was among those who defended it...not this month.  I'm really astounded
>that is *is* so uneven.  I wouldn't call it bad (like I would Liefield and

There were sections that I thought were very well done (such as the
pages where they're taking the boat between islands).  Noticing this,
I flipped back a few pages.  Yep, Delerium's face is indeed a
shapeless blob here, things are generally yucky there...  Flip around
and there's an incredible range.
-- 
It might be in the basement, I'll go upstairs and check -- M.C. Escher
From: kilennj@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Nicholas J. Kilen )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Scourge Hit List
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:51:12 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

In article <C1FE5t.F4G@news.ucs.mun.ca> cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir) writes:
>these are Killraven, Commander Kraken, Turner D. Century, Mirage, the
>Ringer, and Shellshock. He has also killed another Scourge, leading the
>readers to believe in an army of Scourges. When you mentioned him going
>after so-called higher class villains, such as the Shocker, I
>remembered where you saw this. It was in the limited series, The Deadly
>Foes of SpiderMan. Except that the Shocker only thought that the Scourge
>was after him...Oh yeah, look for an appearance of the Scourge a couple
>of years ago in an issue of West Coast Avengers where he tried to kill
>Kraven the Hunter...that point is pretty much moot now, isn't it? Also,
>later this year, all the secrets of the Scourge will be revealed in a
>mini-series involving either Captain America of the U.S.Agent. That's
>all I have for now, without my comic collection at the ready...As
>always, I am...
>
>                                                  Nomad
Number 1 It will be the U.S. Agent in the min-series.

Number 2 I believe, I may be wrong, that the Scourge that shot at
Shocker was an imposter hired by the Kingpen.

Number 3 Some other villians killed by the original Scourge include
Death Adder, Enforcer, Hammer and Anvil, Jaguar, Blue Streak, (the
original) Firebrand, Bird Man II, Hate Monger III, Letha, and a whole
bunch more, including the seventeen at the bar with no name, (Captain
America 319 or 320).

Number 4 The Red Skull is very fond of hiring Scourge wannabes to off
villians he doesn'y much care for.

					"Cowboy" Nicholas Kilen
					 kilennj@cda.mrs.umn.edu
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Wayne A. Wong)
Subject: Re: PITT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:37 EST  

In article <1jl78aINNoqp@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, intruder@cats.ucsc.edu 
(Isaac N. Truder) writes...
> 
>I thought it was a fair comic,
>nothing to have babies over, but better than more than half of the
>comics Marvel has put out in the past half a year.

Oohh, Wow, a kind-of recommendation for Pitt.  Okay, here we go ...

(Deep Breath)

My name is Wayne Wong, and ... I enjoyed Pitt!

There, I said it.  Phew, it wasn't so hard.

Maybe I'm just a Keown-boy, but I found the book ENJOYABLE, warts and all.  
Sure there are a few mistakes here and there, but mistakes are plentiful 
in many comics, even the editor-laden Marvels and DC's.  I didn't buy Pitt 
expecting Watchmen or Batman:DKR, I was expecting an action-packed 
adventure, which it was.  Not every book has to be a cerebral, thought-
provoking masterpiece; there's room in my collection for FUN stories with 
art which *I* think was rather nice.  I admit, Pitt #1 was a little short 
on story, but then, that's often the case with first issues which strive to 
introduce characters, settings, etc.  (yeah, yeah, I know there was some 
confusion even here).

Basically, Pitt was not perfect, but I certainly didn't think it was bad 
either.  IMO, it's better than 85% of what's out there, yet few books get 
ragged on quite as severely as poor, poor Pitt.

Do you still respect me?   :)
 - Wayne.
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: JLA #72 (spoilers)
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 04:05:34 GMT

Anybody know if there is/was/will be a problem with using the name
"Justice Machine", since there is a book by the same name published by
Millenium?

(Granted, the book isn't that great, but...)

Jay (=

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