HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnr@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (John Rihn)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Alaskan wolf hunt...
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: johnr@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Just wondering what the status was on the situation in Alaska concerning the proposed
wolf hunt.  I would appreciate it very much if someone out on the "net" could update
me since our news coverage here in Pennslyvania, for lack of a better word "sucks."

Also, some time ago somebody posted the names of the council members who will be
making some decisions concerning the wolves...if that person is still out there, or
if somebody else has those names...please send them to I have something I'd would like
to say to them!!!

I thank you and my hybrid "NaNook" thanks you :)

John
________________________________________________________________________________________
johnr@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
University of Pittsburgh
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Huskie - Wolfmix?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:36:50 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Maybe this is a naive question, may a huskie (?) be called a wolfmix ?

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Ernst Krudl, Vienna, Austria (ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at)
From: fish@charles.ucdavis.edu (Edward Fishbreath)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Wolf howl/sounds
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:22:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Music, UCDavis


	Hello folks,  I'm working on a computer music project an I was 
wondering if any one out there has any High quality samples of wolf howls
and/or other vocalizations.  If anyone is interested in the final product
I would be glad to send it to them (it will be CD quality digital file so 
it will be quite large....).


_______________________________________________________________________________
		Violence is the first resort of the ignorant.
_______________________________________________________________________________

	Film at 11:00				itlm034@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
	Steve Veltema			scveltem@rosarita.engr.ucdavis.edu
				fish@charles.ucdavis.edu
_______________________________________________________________________________
		I've heard of unisex, but I've never had it.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: wolf@netcom.com (Wolf Logan)
Subject: Re: wolf mythology again
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: alt.wolves
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:47:09 GMT

jssa@yosemite.inesc.pt (Joao Sergio S. Assis) writes:

>    I have never read or heard of wolves associated to teaching,
>but only as  psychopomp, markedly in some Slavonian cultures. It seems
>to me there is some relationship with the Egyptian jackal Anubis. Do
>you agree?
>    And they are also associated with power and strenght, as you know.  
>Prehistorical hunters would be eager to hunt wolves and wear the skins
>as a proof of their ferocity or pride. In some cultures, the wolf is
>also a powerful totem - though I have never seen it associated with
>wisdom, always with strenght as I told you.

In my own experience, the Wolf totem is very powerful, and yes, it is
related to teaching.  There are many stories of the wolf who periodically
leaves the pack to gain wisdom on his own, then returns to share his
new wisdom with the rest of the pack.

The only strength I've noticed overtly connected with the Wolf totem is
that of strength of character (which some might call stubborness).  I
believe that European cultures, having come into more conflict with
Wolf over living space through the centuries, might be leaning a bit
hard on the strength, power, and agressiveness aspects.  In North
America, where such conflicts weren't common until recently, there's
a bit more emphasis on Wolf's social structures and behavior.

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| Wolf Logan                  wolf@netcom.com           "Aww, he's no fun...  |
| Esselen Tribal Nation       B4/7f+t+dcvk++s+mr++       he fell right over!" |
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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Re: GIFs and FAQs
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:33:22 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Evan Bynum (ebynum@panini.cs.jhu.edu) wrote:
: Hey folks,
: ....
: them if you've already FTP'd them from Paul's site. So, post or E-mail
: requests and I'll see what the general consensus is.
: 
Please post the GIF's.  Although I can FTP, the net sometimes times me out
with translantic larger files .
: 
: 	OK. New question. Is anyone working on an FAQ for alt.wolves? Yeah,
: yeah, who'd want it? I know. Our readership is so small (judging by the posting .....
Yes, aside from my interest for wolfes it would give me also a basic about the
English terms used with wolves.
P.S
I came across this newsgroup accidently by browsing through *all* the
newsgroups and I don not know much about wolves, more prejudices, which
I was brought up with, not particulary, but our cultural heritage.
Maybe we can give a hint in new.newgroups or is that too bad netiquette?

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Ernst Krudl, Vienna, Austria (ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at)

Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: wolf@cs.mcgill.ca (Paul McNabola)
Subject: wolf1 GIF [592x400] (0/2)
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:38:50 GMT

Here's the GIF
It is located on the tezuka site mentioned and defined (sorry) in my two
previous posts.
It is basically a head shot with some of the body.  There are some words
in the lower right corner that have been cut off, but I believe the word is
"Ontario"
Enjoy.
----------
Paul McNabola         wolf@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

"Always available, never free" ---Buck Godot
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Re: GIF Stuff
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:01:22 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Wonderfull wolf.gifs. Reassembled the gifs with tin, no problems
encountered.
Thanks !
Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Ernst Krudl, Vienna, Austria (ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: rothwell@ravel.udel.edu (James C. Rothwell)
Subject: Help with GIF's
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:49:44 GMT

Help!  

Ok, so I'm a hopeless newbie, and a Macintosh freak at that.  My question
is, how can I view all of these gifs?  I have access to the university's
UNIX machine, though I would much prefer to be able to import them to my
Mac and view and print them from one of my paint or drawing programs.  How
can I do either though?

Any help would be greatly appreaciated.

thanks
Jim



-- 
_________________________________________________________________________
James Rothwell             |   There are three types of mathematicians:
rothwell@ravel.udel.edu    |   Those who can count, and those who can't.

Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: amazon@sgi.com (Stormwind)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: wolf mythology again
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:37:29 GMT
Distribution: alt.wolves
Organization: X Industries, Heavy Weapons R&D

(Joao Sergio S. Assis) writes:
>    It is also said that this Fenris caused many problems to the
>Gods(Aesir),so they locked him on a cave from where he could not get out until
>the Ragnarok (Fate of the Gods)...when Loki his father who was also
>bound would be free, and fight the Aesir.

i seem to recall (though may be wrong,
it's been a while) that fenris was 
bound with a magically constructed 
leash.  the leash had either three
or four elements, each of which singly
could not bind the beast but the combination
of which could hold any animal.

i dimly recall a really wonderful book
that i read as a small child about 
what happened when an ill-meaning agent
freed fenris prior to ragnarok and
scattered the elements of the leash
around the world, and a teenager was
required to find them, braid them,
and bring fenris back under control.
if anyone recognizes the title of the
book, i'd love to hear it.

>    I have never read or heard of wolves associated to teaching,
>but only as  psychopomp, markedly in some Slavonian cultures. It seems
>to me there is some relationship with the Egyptian jackal Anubis. Do
>you agree?

in native american indian cultures, 
the wolf is regarded as the teacher,
and coyote is regarded as the trickster.
coyote is the american indian counterpart
of loki, and is remembered as the animal
that brought the indians fire.  wolf,
on the other hand, is the repository of
knowledge and is thus also considered to
be the teacher.

		stormwind

		hell's amazon
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: ebynum@panini.cs.jhu.edu (Evan Bynum)
Subject: - arcwolf1.gif (0/6) [384x224x2**8] <Photograph>
Followup-To: alt.wolves
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:55:43 GMT

X-File-Name: arcwolf1.gif
X-Part: 0
X-Part-Total: 6
X-File-Size: 245379 bytes
X-File-Type: GIF
X-File-Res: 384 x 224
X-File-Bpp: 8
X-File-Sum: 32413 240

Hello again,

	Ask and ye shall receive! I've been waiting for someone to request
the ARCWOLF pictures. Sure, they're available everywhere (including the
ever-popular wuarchive.uwstl.edu), but for those who don't have ftp-access,
here they are, in all their full-color glory.

	This is the first in a set of six high-quality scans. It is a
picture of three (youthful-looking) wolves at the entrance to what seems to
be their den. This is a very nice shot, indeed.

	Boy, I'm getting to be the GIF god around these parts. I never
expected that sierra.gif would get so many approving responses (not that I
mind one bit). I have the other five in the arcwolf sequence waiting to be
posted. Just lemme know if you want to see them.

	For those of you who have trouble viewing my posts, please read the
following suggestions and THEN send me E-mail if you still have trouble.

	1. You have a bad UUdecoder. Try ones on different systems,
	   including your local system after downloading (I have an
	   MSDOS UUdecoder for those who want it. The only problem is,
	   how do I sent it to you - UUencode it?!

	2. You have a bad GIF viewer. Try VPIC v5.1. It's available at
	   WUARCHIVE (see above) in the directory mirrors/msdos/gif.
	   The filename is "vpic51.zip" (be sure to switch to BINARY mode
	   when you get the file).

					Waiting for your requests,

					Evan H. Bynum
					ebynum@cs.jhu.edu

P.S. I'd like to see some posts about your experiences with wolves. I've had
     none myself, but maybe I can get to know these animals thorugh some
     stories you folks have to tell.
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: jssa@yosemite.inesc.pt (Joao Sergio S. Assis)
Subject: wolf mythology again
Organization: INESC, Lisboa Portugal
Distribution: alt.wolves
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:00:59 GMT

  Hello you all folks!

   I too am new here and very pleased to know other people wonder
about  the mythological aspects of the wolf. As other animals wolves
are subject  of legends and tales in many cultures, and one of them is
the Old Scandinavian culture. It is said that Loki, the foster son of Odin
and the "Trickster God" spawned monsters upon a giantess, Angurboda,
and one of them was Fenris, the first of all wolves. A stanza in
"Voluspa", a book in which old Scandinavian poets related the tales of
their people, says that:

         "Loki ate the heart
          of the foul woman;
          thence in the world 
          came all the wolves."

    It is also said that this Fenris caused many problems to the
Gods(Aesir),so they locked him on a cave from where he could not get out until
the Ragnarok (Fate of the Gods)...when Loki his father who was also
bound would be free, and fight the Aesir.

    I have never read or heard of wolves associated to teaching,
but only as  psychopomp, markedly in some Slavonian cultures. It seems
to me there is some relationship with the Egyptian jackal Anubis. Do
you agree?
    And they are also associated with power and strenght, as you know.  
Prehistorical hunters would be eager to hunt wolves and wear the skins
as a proof of their ferocity or pride. In some cultures, the wolf is
also a powerful totem - though I have never seen it associated with
wisdom, always with strenght as I told you.


    Well, that's all for the moment. I will be glad if we can meet
again to talk about the most powerful (and noble) animal that ever
lived upon the Earth...

                                 Ana Lucia Merege
                                jssa@yosemite.inesc.pt
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: wolf@netcom.com (Wolf Logan)
Subject: Re: Wolf howl/sounds
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:10:34 GMT

fish@charles.ucdavis.edu (Edward Fishbreath) writes:


>	Hello folks,  I'm working on a computer music project an I was 
>wondering if any one out there has any High quality samples of wolf howls
>and/or other vocalizations.  If anyone is interested in the final product
>I would be glad to send it to them (it will be CD quality digital file so 
>it will be quite large....).

Howdy.  I have a CD I listen to as I fall asleep which has some very clear
howls and other vocalizations.  The title is Timberwolf in the Tall Pines,
RYKODISC # RCD30157.  It was recorded on a portable DAT, and there are
several breakout tracks with solo and pack howls.  If you listen closely,
the main track also contains coyotes, a black bear cub, and several birds.

I would send you soundfiles, but I only have a 22khz digitzer, and it'd
probably not be worth your time.  I assume you have better equipment, 
so I suggest you get a copy of this disk.


-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Wolf Logan                  wolf@netcom.com           "Aww, he's no fun...  |
| Esselen Tribal Nation       B4/7f+t+dcvk++s+mr++       he fell right over!" |
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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: wolf@cs.mcgill.ca (Paul McNabola)
Subject: Re: GIF Stuff
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:35:34 GMT

Alright..... the tezuka site is tezuka.rest.ri.cmu.edu
Stay tuned for the wolf1 GIF --I hope
----------
Paul McNabola         wolf@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

"Always available, never free" ---Buck Godot
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.guns
From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:41:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.society.anarchy

Note followups.

In article <1993Jan22.005434.29000@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.235312.18675@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
>
>...
>
>>It's not the lack of government which is the source of immorality.
>>It's what happens when people realize they can get away with just
>>about anything and not be punished for it.  That's the way a lot of
>>people are.
>
>Is that the way you are?  Would you misbehave if you realized you could
>get away with just about anything and not be punished for it?

Read what I said.  That's the way a /lot/ of people are, e.g., Ted Bundy,
or Adoph Hitler or Joseph Stalin, pick any sociopath.

>Is having the guerrilla on my side (as opposed to the side of the propertied
>elite) a real possibility?  If not, why should I show any allegiance to it?

I did say "more or less."  What would you do if you were assaulted or
your property was stolen ?  You can try to talk with the attacker if you
want, but I'll go to the police.

>>That is why people value government, warts and all.
>
>So accept it, warts and all; but don't expect it to count you as an adult
>capable of self-government.

No kidding.

>By accepting fear of punishment as your protection you also accept it
>as your own moral compass.

Wrong, it's just a way to survive.  Don't pay taxes the gov't says you owe;
see where it gets you.  If you prefer to live in jail go for it.

>Government is NOT a means by which honest people protect themselves from
>dishonest people.

Like hell it isn't; unfortunately, it is also abused by bad people and
used for inappropriate purposes.

>It is a "service" offered by the "profession of arms" (and the financiers
>who are in a position to broker that profession) to anyone who is willing
>to surrender their individual conscience and accept authority as the
>standard of right/wrong.

Snore.

>OF COURSE life is relatively dangerous if you don't.  TANSTAAFL!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
-- 
Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Subject: Re: Anarchy
Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:51:09 GMT

ajc1@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Cooke) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.023237.8646@midway.uchicago.edu>, sals@florimel.uchicago.edu (red-head fancier) writes:
>
>|> An oligarchy?? Similar to the oligarchy of restaurents or grocery stores.  
>|> Your conclusion does not necessarily follow from the facts.
>
>	burger king, wendy, mcdonalds, pizza hut, taco bell...
>	sainsbury's, tescos, safeway...
>	they seem to be getting bigger and bigger to me.

There isn't a single Wendy's or Taco Bell or Sainsbury's or Tescos or
Safeway in New York City where I live. I don't even have any idea what
a Tescos or Sainsbury's might be. There are dozens of different chains
of supermarkets in New York, along with lots of "one of a kind" corner
stores. There are thirty thousand restaurants in New York, of which
chain restaurants constitute a tiny fraction of the whole -- under
five percent at best. I'd say that your contention does not appear to
be correct.

--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com
--
Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.guns
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:47:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.174628.5058@digi.lonestar.org>, ldillard@digi.lonestar.org (Tom Dillard) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan19.174835.1804@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
|> 
|> >BUT! (and this is important), there is no _moral_ reason for government to exist,
|> >no _moral_ imperative for people to control other people.  As you say,
|> >anarchy can't force cooperation on anyone---but neither can any other
|> >kind of society.             
|> 
|> Without starting a whole new thread unrelated to t.p.g., I would like to briefly address the
|> above statement.  As a Christian, there definitely _is_ a "moral imperative" for government,
|> just as there is for the other spheres of family and church.  The magistrate, not the
|> individual, is charged with administering justice, punishing the wrongdoer, and rewarding
|> those who obey the laws.  Biblically, there are definite spheres of authority, and historically
|> it has been the intrusion of one sphere into another that has caused the greatest problems.
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> -Tom
|> 

As a Christian with libertarian leanings I have to back up Tom. There
is a moral imperative for dealing with wrong doers. In what areas and
to what degree we persue this (as a society) is a matter for debate of
course. Punishing (or removeing) murderers is not really what I would
call controlling other people in the sense that RKBA people would use it.

Saying (and enforcing) thou shalt not murder is a different thing from
saying (and enforcing) thou shalt not drive a sports car or own a gun
or drink booze...

Government is a valid institution. And protecting peoples rights is
a valid function of government.

				mike
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: mlinksva@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Linksvayer)
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:51:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.021828.3515@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>In plainer English... by consenting to be governed, you trade freedom & dignity
>for protection.

In the real world there are always constraints. I think it is
clear that I can maximize my freedom and dignity by consenting
to some rules. The problem with government of the statist sort
is that there is no consent and no choice involved. 

>I question whether the benefits justify the costs.  Not having
>to worry about muggers when you walk alone at night is a small consolation when
>there's a general curfew in force...  and the statist quo seems to combine the
>worst of both worlds.

The statist quo does combine the worst of both worlds. I am
glad that you are thinking in terms of costs and benefits, so
you must think that living under a system with no rules is
worth getting mugged and worse at anyone's whim.  I find this
hard to believe. Do you _really_ believe this?
--
Mike Linksvayer   mlinksva@nyx.cs.du.edu   "Very stupid"
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Socialism???
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:02:14 GMT

In <C147uI.DvH@udecc.engr.udayton.edu> mshaughn@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael R Shaughnessy (U)) writes:

>Just a short note to ask if there is a newsgroup dedicated to Socialism.

>Mike

>Please send all replies to this account or, even better to 
>SHAUGHMR@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU

I suggest that someone create a newsgroup called alt.society.socialism.

 Fred Rice
 darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: ausman@ocf.berkeley.edu (James Ausman)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:05:13 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

>In article <1993Jan20.205728.18118@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>
>Philosophy is about man in the real world.  You can talk about utopia
>if you want but it isn't a philosophical discussion.
>
I am curious.  Who is supposed to talk about utopia then if not philosiphers?
Jim Ausman

-- 
	Where there is a lower class I am in it.  Where there is a criminal
	element I am of it.  Where there is a soul in prison I am not free.
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