From: 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Question!
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:53:31 GMT

In article <Bx8qsD.ICp@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos) writes:
>In article <9211011818@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>|> 
>|> Yet another "wieneramus" in action. Today those puppets boast about being 
>|> the descendants of a great civilization, and the cradle of democracy. 
>|> Howevers there are serious doubts in history for both claims.
>|> 
>|> First of all, several historians and anthropologists have produced
>|> substantial evidence with respect to any connection between 
>|> present-day Greece and ancient Greece. The prominent German
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Look this man up in an encyclopaedia and 9 times out of ten you wont find
his name.The encyclopaedia Brittanica put aside 4 lines for him with no
cross references.Obviously the most respected historian in the field of 
contemporary Nazi Idealogy in Society 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>|> historian Jacop P. Fallmerayer published a treatise in 1830
>|> and made the assertion that during the Middle Ages slavik
>|> tribes poured into Greece and annihilated the entire Greek
>|> population. Truly, can anyone see any resemblance between 
>|> that beacon of ignorance and the ancient Greeks who created 
>|> a civilization?
>|> 
>|> As for democracy, in its entire history Greece has never been a democracy 
>|> - except for the last 17.5 years. The Turkish rule in Greece ended in 
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So I see that we are Greeks when Argic wants it to be so!

>|> 1821 and since then, for more than 150 years, Greece was ruled either by 
>|> a monarch or a military junta. When Greece attempted to annex Cyprus in 
>|> 1974 with a clumsy coup, Turkiye acted swiftly to foil this larceny, and 
>|> the junta also toppled in the tremor. Therefore, Greece must be indebted 
>|> to Turkiye for its own fledgling democracy.
>|> 
>|> Furthermore, the evolution of democracy leads one to believe that
>|> the cradle of democracy is really in England, rather than in Greece.
>|> The Greek version of 'democracy' was purely an accident. It was a 
>|> product of the love of fallacy and a passion for sophistry of the 
>|> ancient Greeks. No mechanism or method to make it worth was set 
>|> forth, save a loose oratory. On the other hand, the British adapted 
>|> the concept, developed it, turned it into a reality from a mere 
>|> fantasy, and made it work. Had democracy really been an inherent 
>|> virtue of Greeks would it have dragged its feet for so long to come 
>|> to Greece? Even today, democracy is just so much as a catchword among 
>|> the tourism slogans of Greece - not much substance and a lot of aura.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Serdar Argic
>|> 
>1) Ottoman rule in Greece didn 't end in 1821; the revolution began this year.
>   Some parts of Greece were till 1910 under ottoman rule (Epiros/Northwestern Greece).
>
>2) Maybe there was not much democracy in Greece in the past. See the reason in point 1).
>
>3) Again- YOU better don 't use words like "democracy", 'cause there has never been some in Turkey! (Waiting for some answers..)
>
>Panos Tsiantopoulos.
      
DHMHTRH
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