HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger)
Subject: cadence
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:22:14 GMT

While watching the final individual time trial in the TdF a
few evenings ago I decided to check the cadence that Bugno and
Indurain were riding. The average seemed to be around 95 rpm,
with Indurain up to 100 some of the time and Bugno generally a
little lower (~90). This observation surprised me as I had
thought that most of the pros rode with lower revs in the
TT's. Maybe it's all relative.

I some ways I was gratified because some of my riding
companions are always giving me a hard time about "spinning"
too much. Now I know I'm in good company at least as far as
how fast I pedal; of course, I'm probably in a 40x16 while
they are pushing a 54x14 at the same revs!!!

    cheers -- John Unger
    junger@mtn.er.usgs.gov

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sharonl@sco.COM (B. Baggins, at your service.)
Subject: Re: Ride safe, fellow cyclists.
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:07:43 GMT
Followup-To: poster


In article <biMviZs&@twinsun.com> goose@twinsun.com (Jennifer Bing Zheng) writes:
:In article <1992Jul17.170715.3649@sco.com> sharonl@sco.COM (B. Baggins, at
:your service.) writes:
:>
:>*were going faster than you were".  And of course it's a young woman, "don't
:>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>                               Just what the *&^%$ is this supposed to mean?
:
:The trend is that women drivers aren't as safe as they used to be.  Most of
:tthe car-bicycle accidents that I've heard lately seem to involve a young
:woman driver.
:
:I could be wrong.  Just keep riding and ride safe!
:--Jennifer

This still sounds like unsubstantiated bullshit.
-- 
This is just another example of how the healthy gum tissue of our
liberty is being eaten away by the periodontal disease of government
regulation.  --Dave Barry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:04:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.185318.14176@vicorp.com> chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes:
>I toured with a standard touring bike for a number of months (7).  ...
>I have a close friend who toured exclusively on his Fat Chance
>mountain bike. ...
>
>Still, there are serious advantages to a mountain bike:
>	1)  ... you can go many places that a touring bike could not (e.g. 
>	sub-Saharan Africa, fire access roads in America). Mountain
>	bikes give you more flexibility.


I cannot agree.  I have not seen a fire access road in America (the
United States part, anyway) that I could not do on my touring bike
with 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 tires (slicks).  I don't know about sub-Sahara
Africa.  I haven't had any interest in touring there.  I have ridden
extensively on unpaved (w/concrete or macadam) roads--ranging from
gravel to shell to packed dirt.

>	2) Mountain bikes are definitely stronger and are made to be
>	abused.  They carry extra weight with no problems.

A deliberately built touring bike has the stronger tubing and geometry
to enable it to carry significant loads.

>	3) Many people prefer the body position of a mountain bike.

And many people find that the drop bars and geometry of a proper
touring bike is far more comfortable.

>Certainly mountain bike geometry can make a big difference.  A sharp,
>responsive racing geometry just won't work.  

A touring  bike does not have sharp, responsive racing geometry.  It
has a lower bottom bracket than a road or ATB for stability, a shorter
top tube to put you a little more upright, longer chain stays to give
room for both panniers and the pedal-circle, more relaxed geometry for
long-hours-in-the saddle comfort, etc.

>You wouldn't want to go with the smallest frame possible. ...

You might in a touring frame.

>Given the choice, ...  If the terrain is mixed or wild, out with the mtb.

Mixed, I still might stick with the touring bike.  Wild, probably with
you on the ATB.

>--Charlie Hileman


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:19:20 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin

In article <tr.711941105@samadams>, tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold) writes:
> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
> 
> $ Given the fact that Lemond is of French origin (LeMonde), I would not be
> $ too critical of the French pronounciation of his name...
> $ [...]
> 
> I learned from TV (a very reliable place to learn things) that although
> Lemond's name looks like the French word for "the world", he has no
> French blood and that he is of Scottish descent.
> --

Many Scots have French ancestors, dating back to the Jacobite rebellions
(1680-1745) when much of the Scottish nobility was in exile in France.  So
if we're going to be picky about pronunciation, the issue is how do Scots
pronounce names of French origin. :-)

BTW: My solution to most of the atrocities in the ESPN coverage is VCR
and fast forward.  I just stay on the fast forward till it get to the
places where there is actual race footage (I assume that this is French
National TV coverage with an ESPN voice over).

Dumb questions about TdF:
1)  What is the basis of the "team" scores?
2)  What is the significance of finishing first in a mass finish like
yesterday's (Stage 18)?  Every one gets the same time, and it has no effect 
on the overall standings.  It is *just* fame, or am I missing something?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:00:42 GMT

The Ottawa bike paths have an interesting obstacle that the streets do not,
pedestrians! 

Pedestrians have this amazing ability to suddenly move in a direction at
right angles to their previous course. On a bike path that is 2m wide at best
this movement can cause problems.

A very common occurance is to come upon two people walking abrest to the center
right of the path (note that single file is the only officially sanctioned
method for using the path, yeah right who is going to walk single file) with
a cyclist approaching from the rear. The cyclist has two choices
	1) Announce the intention to pass the pedestrian. This usually causes
	the pedestrian to move suddenly to one side or the other, into the
	previously clear path the cyclist had intended to use.
or
	2) Approach quietly and whip by before they pedestrians can detect
	the bike. This is generally safer for the cyclist and allows speed
	to be maintained as pedestrians, unless disturbed, tend to continue
	in straight lines. This act tends to scare pedestrians as they are
	not used to having objects of equivalent mass move by them at
	relative velocities of 15-30km/hour. Cyclists of course are used to
	having objects 10-100 times their mass moving by with these relative
	velocities.

There is also the common presence of random balistic obstacles, or children
as they are more commonly known by those who posses them. Children tend to
wander in whatever direction inspires them the most at that time. If a 
pretty flower on the other side of the path gets their attention they will
step right in front of an oncoming bicycle. Parents that usually lock their
children up in the back yard rather than risk them wander onto the 
low traffic street they live on
think nothing of taking their cherished child for a walk along the bicycle
path.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:49:10 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

euahac@eua.ericsson.se (Hakan Carlson) writes:
> 
> When I tried to true the wheel I noticed that the rim had a 'crack' in
> the brake surface at one of the spoke nipples(sorry didn't notice which
> side). When I had removed the tire, tube and rim strip I found that the
> 'nipple socket'(?) was broken also.
> 
> So, can some one tell me if he is right? Since reading Jobst book I was
> under the impression that you should tension the wheel up to the point
> of deformation (and back of a little).
> 

     It is quite possible that you had a flaw in the rim to begin with. Also,
the degree to which you tension the spokes should be compatible with the 
ability of the rim to take it. For example, if you take 14 gauge spokes and
really cinch those babies up tight on a very light racing rim, you can 
probably over tighten it. 

                                               Arnie, the Metallurgist

-- 
Arnie Berger
arnie@hplsdvt
Telnet 590-5642
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Results of the 2nd Annual Tour de France(TIOOYK) Contest
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:30:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

Here are the results of the 2nd Annual Tour de France(TIOOYK) Contest:

First, the correct answers:

Top 5 overall GC:
	1) Indurain
	2) Chiapucci
	3) Bugno
	4) Hampsten
	5) Lino

King of the Mountains: Chiapucci

Points Jersey: Jalabert

Team: Carrera

Winning Margin: 4:25

And of course, the all important Bonus question:

Eddy Merckx uttered the famous words "There is only one, you know(TIOOYK)"
when referring to the Tour de France.

And the winner is(ASCI drum roll inserted here for effect).....................................................................

		Carl Gooch (gooch@leland.stanford.edu)

Carl had an 8 point effort, here is his winning entry:

Top five:
        1) Indurain
        2) Chiapucci
        3) Bugno
        4) Lemond
        5) Delgado

Mountains:  Chiapucci

Sprints:    Adbujaparov

Team:       Banesto

Time difference:  7:44

Bonus:  Bruce Hildenbrand

Obviously, a sentimental favorite of the chief judge of the competition!

Also on the podium are:

	Tim Moore(moore%defmarco.cs@cs.utah.edu) with 7 points 

		and on the third step(a bit crowded, the tiebreaker
		is only for 1st place) with 6 points

	Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando(psierra@dit.upm.es)

	Sheldon Smith(shsmit@atl.calstate.edu)

	Wade Hobbs(wade@hobbes.USCS.EDU)

	John Scandurra(jscandur@BBN.com)

	Sam Henry(shenry@cs.rice.edu)
	

I would like to thank everyone for participating, there are really
a lot of knowledgable (and a few sentimental) cyclists out there.

No one picked either Carrera as the top team or Jalabert as the
top sprinter or Lino, but maybe only Bo knew them.

Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sej@fir03.cray.com (Stuart Johnson)
Subject: Re: Suntour Command Shifters
Originator: sej@fir03
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:38:14 CDT


In message <9207291706.AA23548@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, ericp@VNET.IBM.COM
(Eric Pearson) asks the following question related to Suntour command
shifters:

> I just got a pair of these from Nashbar. The order desk said I also
> needed 'cable stops', so I got these too for $3.95 a pair. What do I
> do with these beasts? None of the bike repair books I can find:
> Bicycling Magazine's Complete Guide to Bicycle Maintenance and Repair
> Bicycle Maintenance Manual by Eugene A. Sloan
> or the sections in the Richards or Lemond books say anything about
> these cable stops. Where do they go and what do they do?

The 'cable stops' go on the down tube of your frame.  Their function is
to 'stop' the cable housing and provide a transition point so the inner
wire can continue on to the derailleur(s).  The cable housing provided
with the shifters (the two longer pieces) lead from the shifters to the
cable stop.  The cable housing provides the stiffness necessary to keep
the inner cable path a constant length and the flexibility necessary to
allow the bike to be steered (storn? steern?).  Our Santana tandem has 
its cable stops brazed onto the downtube.

BTW, I prefer the Suntour command shifters to the non-indexed bar-end
shifters the bike had been previously equipped with.  The bike in
question is equipped with a Shimano Deore DX rear derailleur.  To get
better indexing performance with the command shifters, I replaced the
upper Shimano pulley (which shifts side-to-side) with a Suntour
pulley.
--
   -Stuart Johnson       | All opinions expressed herein are mine, and do
    Cray Research, Inc.  | not necessarily reflect those of my employer
    sej@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Tunturi Bikes
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:51:37 GMT

In article 26854@nntp.hut.fi, ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:
>In my opinion, if you insist on a Nordic bike, Monark-Crescent of Sweden
>makes much better bikes. Their brands include Monark, Crescent, DBS (Norway),
>and Kildemoes (Denmark). I currently own a Crescent 15-spd 531ST, and am
>very happy with it. 

Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice.

My opinion (and that of other Swedes I've talked to about it) is that
Tunturi bikes are frequently nicer than MCB's (Monark-Crescent Bolagen).
However, I've noticed that brands that are considered run-of-the-mill
in the countries where they're produced frequently acquire an air of
"exclusiveness" when exported to another country. Is this another case
of "the grass is always greener on the other side..." or could it be
that the nicer models are sent to the export markets while the junk
never goes beyond domestic?

Anyway, Tunturi makes a hybrid that strikes me as unique since it's the
only off-the-shelf bike that I know of that comes with Magura hydraulic
brakes as standard! And at a reasonable price, too.

>(Finnish) bikes generally suck.

Believe me, so do the Swedish ones. The only good MCB bikes are made
from Japanese CroMo frames that are re-labelled in Sweden. :-(

>Ott-Vill R___________________        Nyrxfnagreva_xngh wn Xhavaxnna_xngh
>ovr@vipunen.hut.fi                           ba erunovyvgbvgnin!

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 Torsten Lif                          |   Big cars are a Freudian 
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From: kieron@root.co.uk (Kieron Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Women's TdF
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:37:34 GMT
Organization: UniSoft Ltd., London, England

In <1992Jul28.142815.137215@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mha1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL H. ALAIMO) writes:
>    [	Referring to the Womens' TdF	]	Does anyone
>    know why the race is no longer held?

It is still held but no longer at the same time as the mens' TdF. This year
it will be held in September some time (according to one of the Channel 4 (UK)
TdF commentary team -- perhaps P.L.??). It was one of the questions sent in
by a number of viewers this year so you are not alone in your interest.

	kieron

-- 
kieron@root.co.uk	Tel: +44 71 729 3773 (or 071 729 3773 in the UK)
Kieron Drake		Fax: +44 71 729 3273 (or 071 729 3273 in the UK)
Senior Consultant, UniSoft Ltd., Spa house, Chapel Place, Rivington Street,
London EC2A 3DQ, UK
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:15:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.222248.2317@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com writes:
>Anybody who doesn't wear a bike helmet _will_ probably have their head
>examined - by a coroner.
  Can we stop this useless gibberish.  Everyone will in the end be examined
by a coroner.  Life is dangerous and in the end fatal.  Many people have
survived their entire life of cycling without any serious injuries and the
majority survive without head injuries.  Why not concentrate on the cause
of the accident (car drivers) instead of padding a cyclinst up until he
can safely run into anything?
  - Eric
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Avocet 30: mounting tran
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:29:14 -0500

To: jh@scs.uiuc.edu (jh) 
 On 07-27-92 jh wrote to All... 
 
 jh > The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap 
 jh > over the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels 
 jh> and 3 into 32 does not go, i.e. there's always at least one 
 jh> spoke in the way. 
 
 Avocet also makes a 4 tab ring magnet. There's a picture of it on page 13 
 of the Spring 1992 Branford Bike catalog. Since Branford lists it for $4.88, 
 I would suspect that you local dealer can also get it for about that price. 
 
... OFFLINE 1.36 * Two Wheelers Remote 

 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:35:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Pritchett - SunSoft Engineer) writes:
: Simple physics here apply. A seated
: recumbent rider can deliver more power to the pedals than a seated
: diamond frame rider, but less power than a diamond frame rider that
: is out of the seat.

I guess I fail the simple physics test.  I do not see how this is true,
and in my own experiences, I have not seen recumbents regularly out
climbing seated diamond frame riders.  Neither have I seen standing
diamond frame riders regularly out climbing seated riders on long
climbs.  I also have seen no laboratory tests showing greater power
outputs from riders in a recumbent position.  The studies I have seen
have indicated little if any difference in power output between a
recumbent and normal diamond frame position.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brister@decwrl.dec.com (James Brister)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab
	<1992Jul21.205104.10710@news.unomaha.edu> <BrrDqn.L75@cs.dal.ca>
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:30:26

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:44:46 GMT, dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace) said:

> Actually L'Alpe D'Huez is pronounced lalp-uh-do-EZ.  At least this is
> how the people in the town itself call it. (also in Bourg d'Oisans, Huez
> itself and Grenoble)  So you are both half correct. :-) (I know, I've been 
> there. :-)

My French wife, says it's pronounced "lalp-do-ez". She's from Paris,
though, so pronunciation will be slightly different from the locals (the
'e' at the end of Alp)

> ObTrivia:  What is the correct pronunciation of the French town of "Reims"?

I can say it, but typing it is tough. It rhymes with 'vin', and you roll
the 'r' a bit, and there's a sharp s at the end (r-in-s, sort of).

James
--
James Brister                                           brister@wsl.pa.dec.com
DEC Western Software Lab., Palo Alto, CA                        decwrl!brister
From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bike Nashbar
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:29:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


 Has anyone ever dealt with or ordered from Bike Nashbar out of
Youngstown,Ohio? I was thinking about ordering a few items.

-- 
Bruce Mccullough-Tech Assistant   | "The sharpest sword cannot cut itself".
Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
Georgia Institute of Technology   | all the knowledge you will ever need to  
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu| know". -    The Teacher
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: AVO31
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:46:34 GMT

George Chen writes:

> Quick question:  Does the Avocet 31 take the same battery as
> the Avocet 30?  I just had my 30 replaced with the 31, and the
> casing looks a bit bigger.

It is bigger.  It is the same as the one used in the model 40.  In
the future, the 30 will be delivered in the same case and will use the
same larger battery.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: ogus@gaulois.berkeley.edu (Arthur E. Ogus)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Date: 27 Jul 1992 13:27:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gaulois.berkeley.edu

On one of these climbs (was it Galibier?) half the pack had to get off
and walk.  Must have been pretty steep.  
-- 
Arthur Ogus
Department of Mathematics
University of California
Berkeley, California
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:49:06 GMT

colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George) writes:

>I use the "Bike Paths" regularly for both walking and cycling, and I really 
>wish the paths were for bikes only.  When I'm biking, it's usually to get 
>from point A to point B, and when I'm walking, it's generally for 
>recreation/moderate exercise.  With this in mind, I always try to walk 
>*to one side* of the bike path so that cyclists do not have to slow down
>for me.  There is really no reason why those who are walking cannot use the
>grass next to the path, provided it isn't muddy or something like that. 
>Many of the west-end bike paths have lots of nice areas next to the path
>where you can walk.  In Brittania, I'm always surprised to find people
>walking on the (hard) paths when they could walk on nice soft grass in 
>the park and enjoy better scenery at the same time.  Go figure.

>-- 
The problem I find with the bike paths, (not only are they over crowded)
is that the further east you get, the worse the path gets.  Try the
parkway.  Except for the construction part (bicycles are not allowed there
anyway), it is IMHO more relaxing than path traffic, and since it follows
the river, you get mostly the same scenery.  I ride almost every day from 
and have had no problems.


Stacy Janes	Bell-Northern Research	Ottawa, Ontario

** Standard Disclaimers apply **


>===================================================================
>Colette George 			
>Bell-Northern Research Ltd. 	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>Internet:  colette@bnr.ca 
>===================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:37:47 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> Lubing the chain:
>  [ different lubes deleted ]

Does anyone use Finish Line??  I use it and like it, but I'm wondering
why I don't ever hear anyone else mention it.

Richard Stern
rstern@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:30:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.163445.1799@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn) writes:
>One pump I haven't seen mentioned is the Specialized floor pump.  It
>basically is a modified Silca floor pump.  I've had mine for over three
>years and a minor problem was fixed, it has worked perfectly. 
> [glowing review deleted]

This really demonstrates to me the problem of asking "the net" about
the quality of a particular item.  You get a few responses, which may
or may not statistically represent the quality of the product.  For example
my riding partner bought one of these pumps the other day -- and it
is a piece of junk.  The gauge does not seem to reflect any known physical
quantity, since each time you pump, it could either jump up 20 psi, go down
20 psi, or stay in the same place.  On one stroke of the pump, I have seen it
jump by 50 psi up, and at least 30 psi down.  And no air was leaking.  As
for the pumping itself, sometimes you get a full stroke of air, and sometimes
the plunger just ... plunges, with no resistance.  I would not recommend this
pump at all.  Of course, the quality my have changed over the last three
years...

So there you have it, a rave review and a flame -- for the same product.
Let the buyer beware...

Sean
sean@cs.tamu.edu

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