From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Messianic Judaism 4 Of 4
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:46:01 GMT
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>Further Info for:strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom)
           Here are areas that we PROBABLY would agree on:
1) A non-Christian gentile & a non-Christian gentile
2) A non-Observant Rabbinic Jew & a non-Observant Rabbinic Jew
3) A Messianic Jew & a Messianic Jew
4) An Orthodox Jew & an Orthodox proselyte
5) A Reform/Conservative Jew & any natural born Observant Jew
6) A Messianic Gentile & a Messianic Gentile
7) A Messianic Cohen (to per instructions in Torah) a Messianic Jew
8) A Rabbinic Cohen  (to per instructions in Torah) a Rabbinic Jew
9) A "gentilized-Christian type" Jew & the same
10) Any "Gentile Christian type expression" Gentile & the same
            Here are areas that there MIGHT be some contention:
1) A non-Believing gentile & a Christian Gentile
     [We would not preform such a marriage]
2) A Messianic Jew & a non-Believing Jew
     [We would not preform such a marriage]
3) A Messianic Jew & a non-Believing gentile
     [We would not preform such a marriage]
4) Any Believing Gentile & a non-Believing Jew
     [We would not preform such a marriage]
5) Any Believing Proselyte and any other Believing Proselyte
     *[We WOULD preform such a marriage]
6) Any Believing Jew and another Believing Jew
     *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would also council on
     moving toward Observance, not away from it, should one of the
     parties be Messianic, and the other not.  The non-Observant
     partner, in short, should not IMPOSE their lack of Observance
     on the Observant spouse.  As neither should the Observant spouse
     FORCE their Observance on the non-Observant.  But to IMPOSE
     LACK of Observance is MORE wrong than to require Observance,
     {I speak of the Judaic Injunctions, not the Moral Mitzvot}, the
     non-Observant must not interfere; and submit where there is
     contention.  -These type of things should be discussed before the
     marriage takes place.]
 7) A Messianic Gentile man and a Messianic Jewish woman
     *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out that while
     the woman and the children would be considered Jewish, the husband
     would not, as in making aliyah.  We of course would exhort them
     to stay in Judaic Observance, and to bring up their children with
     appreciation of their Judaic roots.]
  8) A Messianic Gentile woman and a Messianic Jewish man
     *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out as above,
     and in addition, would point out that neither the woman, nor her
     children would be considered Rabbinicly halachicly Jewish, as in
     making aliyah; except the Reform Rabbinic understanding accepts
     children from a Jewish father as being Jewish, based upon certain
     understandings of a Parental line of descent from Tanakh.]
  9) A "gentile-Christian type Gentile" and any Messianic Jew
     *[We would preform such a marraige; but would exhort the Gentile
     to become Messianic Judaic Observant.  If this was not agreed to,
     we would still reluctantly preform the marriage; but our view is
     that a Jewish person should move toward observance, not away from
     it.]-(this would however be very rare).
 10) A Gentile as in #9 above; with the "same type" of Jewish Believer
     *[While we might be asked to preform such a type of marrige,
     (though this is doubtful, as we aren't where they'd normally be
     fellowshiping), we'd encourage both the Jewish Believer, and the
     Gentile to explore the Judaic roots of the spouse, and consider
     Messianic Judaism in their walk; vs. a strictly "Gentile"
     expression; but they'd not be in our Shule anyway for starters :-)
     *CAUTION: ALL THE ABOVE HARDLY COVERS THE SUBJECT & IS IN GENERAL!
AM ISRAEL CHAI!

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