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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re: Justin...)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:11:09 GMT

In article <2AAF52D1.1476@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
>In article <8383.9209091703@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com (Dena 
>Rollo) writes:
>> In response to Ben Wolfe's post on negative effects
>> of drugs during labor, Liz Attree ends with:
>> 
>> Sorry, it made me mad.
>> 
>> 
>> I just wanted to say ditto, and amen.
>
>I don't understand why the truth would make anyone mad.  

IF you had been speaking the truth, no one would have been angry.  But you 
were speaking in broad generalizations blown way out of proportion.  Here,
look at what you wrote again.

>All drugs taken 
>during labor and delivery can have bad effects.  

ALL DRUGS!  Are you sure about this?  A glass of wine drunk early in labor
is going to have a deleterious effect?  A tylenol taken during transition
is going to have a delterious effect?  

NO!  ALL DRUGS taken during delivery cannot have bad effects.  

Now, if you wanted to say, "Many drugs commonly used during delivery and
thought to be harmless may have more onerous side effects than some people
suspect and therefore it is important to research any and all drugs you
choose to take (not just in labor, folks)" I don't think anyone would
have been angry.

But you used a very broad brush stroke here and painted a whole lot of women
as "scum" for using something which could hurt their babies.  And that is
just patently false.  And that is why we/they are angry.

>It's part of the 
>informational process necessary to make an informed decision as to whether or 
>not you want to use them.  
>
>IMHO, it's very short sighted of people to not make absolutely sure they know 
>the costs vs. the benefits of each and every possible intervention.  You owe 
>it to yourself, and you owe it to your baby.
>

Absolutely.  The REAL costs vs. benefits, not anti-medication hysteria!
>
>
>


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Math: Estimating vs Real Thing
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:24:12 GMT

jsco@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (J. S. Comeaux) writes:
>>My 5th grader is learning ESTIMATING , and I am p.o.'d because I think 
>>the school should teach accurate mathematics  rigorously 
>>until it is second nature.

I used to teach calculus and statistics at a US university. Believe me,
more people need to learn to estimate. It is really really easy to make
all kinds of mistakes in life if you don't know how to estimate.

I got sick of students who couldn't estimate to check their answers for
reasonableness. For instance, the students who were doing a max-min
problem about the speed of a train who were told that the highest speed
it could attain was 100mph, who still put down answers like 500 mph.

Or students who were told that the total length of fence around a
field was 150 yards who came up with areas like 580 sq miles for the
field.

I was repeatedly appalled by students whose answers didn't make sense.
Not only did they not see for themselves that the answer didn't make
sense, but even when I pointed it out to them, they couldn't tell how
I knew that. Students who looked at 100 values between 0 and 10 and
calculated the mean to be 12 were shocked that I could tell the answer
was not right *without* *knowing* *the* *real* *answer*. Yep, truly
stunning.

In real-life situations and in exam situations, estimating is an
enormously useful skill. I use it all the time to check to see that
my gas mileage is reasonable, that the tip I leave in a restaurant is
reasonable, that I have enough time to drive to where I am going.
I use estimating to know how many boxes of paper cups to buy for a
school picnic and to know how much yarn I will need for a particular 
sweater. 

Estimating teaches you the relative sizes of numbers, and it teaches
you to have a feeling for how numbers relate to one another.

Being able to multiply and divide and add and subtract and do other
arithmetical things is pretty useless if you don't have any way to
see if the answers make sense. And even folks who can usually do
arithmetic extremely well in their heads do make mistakes from time
to time. Estimating helps you catch that sort of error.

Moreover, many many students could add, subtract, multiply and so
on extremely well, who didn't have a clue what the numbers meant.
Estimating is a good way to tie numbers to reality. Believe me, 
without the ability to understand what the answers mean, the ability
to get correct answers is worse than useless.

I recommend that you congratulate your daughter's teacher. Estimating
is a skill which will come in very handy for your daughter for the rest
of her life.

Besides, do you really think that because they are teaching estimating 
this week, they won't be teaching the basic skills at all this year?

Marcy


-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: early pregnancy & cramping?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 04:10:48 GMT

In article <Bu0HxA.At9@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>This is my first time and I'm 6-8 weeks.  Every day or two I feel 
>a bit of mild cramping, like menstrual cramps.  No bleeding or
>discharge, but it makes me nervous.  Anyone else experience this?
>
It is very normal! I found it really disconcerting during my first pregnancy,
cause I kept feeling like my period was going to start, and I really wasnt
pregnant. This time, I knew I was pregnant, cause I kept getting light
menstrual cramps, but my period never came. After 3 days, I knew I had to
be pregnant. I am now just at the end of my first trimester, and I dont
I have the problem anymore.

Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: [27 mo] cute things they say
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:34:01 GMT
Keywords: funny answer

We were at my deparment's picnic on Friday and Billy was having a
great time.  When he's outside, he wears a "Foreign-Legion" hat that
always gets lots of comments.  Anyhow, he picked up a volleyball and
ran to one of my coworkers:

Billy:  This is a ball!
coworker: Oh.  (putting his hands on Billy's head)  What's this?
Billy: My very nice hat.

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [27 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:50:13 GMT


In article <1992Sep10.202549.134@unlinfo.unl.edu> mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu
  (marxhausen paul) writes:
>I agree that you get used to spelling/correcting your name, when I'm
>doing business on the phone it's second nature, "Paul Marxhausen, that's
>M-A-R-X-H-A-U-S-E-N...."   (Funny how nobody can pronounce an X right
>before an H, I hear "Markhousen" most of the time from folks....)

I've had the same problem. Anyone that knows any german would know how
to pronounce "Gelhaus" but unfortunately I must not run into many people
that know german. I've heard Jel- Jil- Jal- Gil- Gal-, -hahs -has -hoos
etc. And people writing my name just from hearing it inevitably come
up with Gilhouse. I finally had a teacher pronounce it right on the first
day of class in my third semester of college!

People, please please please stop naming your daughters Jennifer. When I
was growing up everytime somebody would yell for one of us in the hallway,
half the school would turn around. When I was in second grade there were
some 6 or 7 "Jenny"'s in my class so like Seanna, I decided to change the
spelling of my name. The best I could come up with then was "Jenni" which
nobody I knew used, but within a few years everyone else started spelling
their name that way too and now I know more Jenni's than Jenny's. Just
can't win.

I also went all through school with a girl named Ryan. (Akward at first but
after getting to know her, now I think it's a beautiful name for a girl.)
Every substitute teacher we ever had would check attendance off a seating
chart and insist that she get back in her own seat. Once we even had to
bring another teacher in to assure the sub that we weren't playing
name-switch games on her.

Anyway, as for the original poster, I say go ahead and name your child
whatever you want and tell others to MYOB. I agree with those that have
said if the child doesn't like it later in life, he/she will change it.

Good luck!
-Jen (due 11-14)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:43:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.142159.2111@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna
Watson) wrote:

> (Also, a trick for gettin a carseat in tight is to have an adult kneel
> on it while tightening the seatbelt.  Unfortunately, it will likely
> be tight enough to dent the upholstery, but I am willing to sacrifice
> my car interior for my kid's safety.  Besides, it's nothing compared
> to the years of cheerios, raisins and apple juice :)

I'm one of those unsafe parents who puts the car seat in the front 
passenger seat.  I've found that the easiest way to get it fastened in
is to put the seat as far back as it would go and the seat-back slightly
reclined from normal.  Install the seat, buckle it up, tighten, clip the
belt, then bring the seatback to normal and the seat forward one slot.
The carseat has always been very secure this way for us!

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:56:23 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <Bu4EKs.95s@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu 
(Peggy Brown) writes:
> One place I called charges $18/day, another $20/day.  At both
> places the parents supply milk/formula and diapers.

I live in the grater Boston area and my son goes to family daycare.  I pay 
$4/hour.  When he was an infant, I had to supply formula and then baby 
food.  My provider is great and she started buying the baby food after 
awhile.  She participates in the government food program (like the school 
lunch program - she has to adhere to their dietary guidelines and provide 
menus and receipts and she gets some small amount of funding from the 
government) so, when he went on whole milk, she was able to enroll him in 
the program and began providing all of his meals and snacks,  he gets 
breakfast, lunch and two snacks at her house.  I have to provide diapers.  
I think she may drop her rate to $3.50/hour when he turns two, but I'm not 
sure. 

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Doctor Visits: Girl is growing up fast
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:04:07 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>I think you should take you daughter to a doctor, and start the
>tradition of YEARLY GYN visits. 
> She needs to know they're important, not just for birth
>control, but for woman's health.
>
>A very dear family friend died from cancer because she never went for
>checkups [....]. By the time the
>cancer was detected, it has spread all over the place.

A previous doctor of mine told me that women in the mid-20s could get
breast cancer, and that yearly exams were essential, as well as
monthly self-exams.  (Although I've heard that over 50% of all breast
lumps are found by a partner--if you enjoy it, tell your partner that
breast foreplay is good for your health :-)  

Although they're considered to be primarily for sexually active teens,
Family Planning-type clinics often have good videos/information for
young women getting their first pelvic exam, so that they know what to
expect.

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:13:50 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division


Judy Leedom Tyrer Writes:

When I stupidly thought stopping all caffeine would get rid of my three week
headache and ended up at the doctor I found out that caffeine restricts the
blood vessels in your body.  This is why a cup of coffee will often cure a 
headache - it restricts the blood vessels and so there isn't so much pressure.
At least that's how my doctor explained it.  Stopping all caffeine let the
blood vessels relax and the extra flow of blood is what turned a 3 week nagging
headache into a debilitating I can't open my eyes headache.

I would imagine it is this contricting of the blood vessels that would worry
doctors about pregnancy.  You don't want to affect how much blood gets into
the fetus.
-------

I will have to 2nd this!  As a migraine sufferer, one of my medications 
(cafergot) is not allowed during pregnancy.  This is because of the ergot
in it which can cause miscarriage.  The other ingrediant is caffeine.  I
have been trying hard this pregnancy to cut down my caffeine intake.  So,
yesterday, boom, I got a migraine about 10:30am (I had not had any caffeine
that day!).  So, I have a delima, do I cut out all caffeine or do I 
moderate... I will vote for moderation!  For me, consistancy is the key
to migraine control.  I need to have regular sleep patterns and have
1 or 2 diet cokes every morning (even on weekends).  Note, this is far
less than my prepregnancy intake of 2 super BIG GULPS a day!

Now, I am worrying about the nuetrasweet -- after reading all the posts that
is!

-- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan 17 months and ?? -33.5wks)


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:58:37 GMT

Well, my advice is, go ahead and use Geordie LeVar.  I think it sounds
good on its own, and probably most people won't even notice the connection.
(I knew a couple who really liked Dr. Who, and named their daughter
Nyssa.)

My personal (and family) name experience:

My own name is difficult to spell and/or pronounce, but I voluntarily
changed the spelling from Shawna to Seanna when I was 13.  Shawna is
actually not so unusual as it used to be, and I saw a newspaper article
on a little girl (~2) who actually had the right (:)) spelling--the first
time I had ever heard of someone else with my name!

My older son (7.5) is named Trevyn.  This is a Welsh/Gaelic name that
we saw in a fantasy book, and really liked it.  It has the advantage of
being a bit unusual, but not too weird.  Aside from the minor annoyance 
of not being able to find pre-named stuff, he has not had any problems
so far.

My younger son (5.5) is named Nicholas.  This is a fairly common name,
except that he was born on December 25.  He was not due until January,
and we had already picked the name.  We discussed picking an alternate
in case he was born on Christmas, but decided that *not* naming him 
Nicholas because he was born on Christmas was as silly as naming him
Nicholas for that reason.  (I suppose we could always tell him it was
his fault, because he was present for the discussions, and he decided
when to come out :) :)  Besides, St. Nicholas day is December 6, not
December 25.              

    
-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing)
Subject: croup - update after last night
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:05:32 GMT


Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions on croup.

Thought I'd let you know...no croup "attacks" last night.  We
ellivated the crib even more, added some salt to the cool-mist
humidifer (to change the ionization for better operation), and 
gave some cool juice right before bed.  Nicholas slept through
the night.  He was still stuffy this morning and coughed occa-
sionally...but, we were all feeling abit better and rested...
though I slept somewhat poorly....just waiting....

Someone responded about croup vs. bronchiolitis.  Interesting.
I plan to investigate this if there is a next time.  No major
problem for my husband and I...we're both certified in pre-
hospital care emergency medicine.  (We met because we were
volunteer ambulance medics)  We should be able to provide the
doctor a bit more information should this happen after hours
again.  (When we called Wed. night, our regular doctor was not
on call...the covering physician was not familiar with our 
qualifications, so he didn't ask us any "technical" questions)
You may wonder why I asked you questions about dealing with croup
when we have such training, ...well, real-life experience is an
important learning tool, and usually our interaction with a
patient is a stabilization, transporation...we leave the diag-
nostic practices and treatment to the real professionals with
YEARS of experience!

Again, thanks........

Lori ( & Steve and Nicholas)
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Gymboree - classes
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:20:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

>In article <1992Sep3.142850.10975@cci632.cci.com> lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing) writes:
>>
>>I was wondering has anyone enrolled their children in a class at Gymboree?
>>I'm considering going with Nicholas (5months) to BabyGym.  Any comments,
>>insights, etc.?
>
>>P.S.  Any opinions, comments on infant swim sessions (YMCA) would also
>>be appreciated.  My husband heard that if they start early enough there

Laura went to both Gymboree and swim sessions as a baby/toddler.  She
enjoyed both, probably had more fun swimming.  NOTE:  Babies don't
really learn to swim - very little ones can float and hold their
breath as they slowly sink to the bottom :-(  The Y calls their
sessions something like "pool play" to enforce that they are NOT
swimming lessons.  The down side was 1) the parent gets very cold
and wet and 2) Laura got her first cold (at 10 months) quickly followed
by 2 more during her swim times.

I sent her with her nanny.  It was more to have a scheduled something to
look forward to for the adult than the child, I think.  However, months
after we stopped going, Laura really started agitating to "go to the gym".
So, I guess she liked it well enough to remember it later.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Ante-natal vitamins, other ravings
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:20:30

In article <1992Sep14.114210.6645@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:


   Next question: vitamins. I have noticed a few mentions of ante-natal
   vitamins. In the pregnancy books I have read (Australian based) they say
   "American doctors always prescribe special pregnancy vitamins, but this is
   not necessary for anyone with a healthy diet." (paraphrased). When I was
   pregnant I took Iron tablets (I always hover on the verge of anaemia,
   anyway). SO, are vitamin tablets compulsory in the US. I know noone who has
   taken them here. [and our babies are healthy.] The advice here is to fix
   your diet, if its not OK already.

They aren't compulsory, but most doctors in the US seem to prescribe
them.   My midwife believed as you do, so I didn't have them, and my
boy is very healthy.  It's a tradeoff, I guess:  no doubt some women
have diets that are deficient in one thing or another, but on the
other hand vitamins are an expense, and many women report that they
make morning sickness worse.

On the other hand, if you  don't get enough folic acid in your diet
(folic acid is contained in green vegetables) you really should take
supplements both before you get pregnant and in the early weeks;
folic acid deficiency is known to up the rate of neural tube defects.
Or better still, eat  your broccoli!

-- Anne
From: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Folic Acid prevents spinabifida!
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:23:14 GMT
Reply-To: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

My OB-GYN was delighted when I told him in advance of our plans
to try to have a child.  In fact, the first advice he gave was for
me to a multi-vitamin that contained Folic Acid for a month or so before we
tried to become pregnant, for the very reason cited.

This advice won't help those unexpected pregnancies.

Barbara
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mid Life Crisis
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:42:18 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Sep14.154846.13173@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <lb44soINNbi7@news.bbn.com> ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:
>>
>>Boy, bet I'm doing a good job cheering you up, right?  Oh well, look at it
>>this way Judy.  At least no can accuse you of being "prematurely gray" any
>>more...  ;)
>>
>
>  Talk about prematurely grey!!!
>
>  My 18-month old son has one white hair already.  However with 3 out of
>  4 grandparents prematurely grey, it isn't surprising.  I guess he'll
>  be grey before me.  I still get asked by hairdressers whether my
>  hair color is natural (it is).

I grew up with a boy who went from brunette to grey by the age of 23.  They
called him "immaturely grey".

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Petroleum Jelly (was Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 22:41:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.172758.18455@informix.com> alison@husky.informix writes:
>
>Along the same lines, what IS petroleum jelly supposed to be used for?
>I got 3 jars of it as shower gifts, and they joined the two partially-used
>jars my husband & I have had since college.  The only thing I've ever used
>it for is chapped lips.
>

Petroleum Jelly (better known as Vaseline) is used anytime some part of the
body needs to be kept from exposure to water.  I cannot say "dry" because it
doesn't keep it dry.  But, for example, if you have a very serious burn that
has blistered and popped and left some amount of skin vulnerable to the air,
petroleum jelly will seal the wound (and relieve some of the pain in so doing).

This is why it is good for chapped, and especially cracked lips.  It is also
wonderful on hemerhoids (sp?).  And if your baby gets a severe diaper rash
or open lesion in the diaper area, the vaseline would seal that against 
any moisture which would be very helpful.  

I wouldn't want to live without a jar in the house and cannot imagine ever
needing more than one jar in a year.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids