From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.092617.8690@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>In article <19961@castle.ed.ac.uk> gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.230811.6164@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandy Hereld) writes:
>>>I would like to, at this time make a one time only bargain offer,
>>>2 flirts for the price of three to the entire group: and guys,
>>>be not shy, we can't have the girls (*major smileys*) doing all
>>>of the work...
>>
>>What a lovely smile you have :-]  Actually, I've been laying low and
>>letting the girls welcome the other girls because 1) I'm trying not
>>to be a typical butch male and butting in first all the time before
>>the women get a chance to speak and 2) I think that having recently
>>demuffed, it's more satisfying/valuable/enjoyable to flirt with MOTSS,
>>probably for the first time for many of us...
>
>   Graham, I'm really glad you posted that. I'd been getting a little sad,
>thinking "no-one seems to want to flirt with me...". The wiser more sensible
>self said that
> (i) most people would be wanting to flirt with MOTSS, and
>(ii) most of the flirters are female,
>so it's not really surprising...but who listens to wiser sensible selves
>when you're feeling a bit down?
>
>   I think I'm a bit extra sensitive at the moment, because the recent push
>by my SO & I to get LaTrobe's GL Society to embrace Bi issues has generated
>the most amazingly heated and nasty statements. I don't think I've ever had
>so many people all yelling at me at once. It's wierd, one meeting everyone
>seems happy to include Bi's, the next, Bi supporters are almost a minority.
>I've never liked not being liked, and this is "not being liked" in spades.
>
>
>>But have a good old-fashioned MOTOS hug anyway :-)
>>
>>*HuG*
>
>   Can I second that? I still like old-fashioned MOTOS hugs too...
>--

Graham, Joe, big hugs to you both.  Since I've been dating (for almost 
*two* years) a motss most recently, I occaisonally feel the lack of male
hugs (and sex, but that's another story...) in my life.

Joe, I'm sorry to hear about the trouble you're having.  I know that I _should_
be doing the same thing; trying to change the name of my choir from the
Seattle Lesbian and Gay Chorus, to the S L, G and Bisexual Chorus, but I
keep putting off the battle.  Maybe after I graduate, I'll have the energy.
I say 'should' because I DO feel invisible (thanks, BTW to the inventor to
of the steath lesbian)  The guys in the choir frequently make comments like
"At least I know *you're* safe"  meaning safe to flirt with.  I always answer
(sweet, but puzzled) why, honey, I'm not a lesbian, and I think you're adorable
Some guys in the choir I've done this with 3 or 4 times (over two years...)
They just don't seem to have that catagory in their head as a posibility.
I have noticed similar bi-play (pun intended) betweeen bi men and lesbian
women in the choir.

I guess that whole digression was to help say, what you're doing is important
and worth some of the shit you are going through.  Good Luck  -- I'll want
support (and news of how yours is going) when I start trying with the choir.


>  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.

Sandy 		We don't need queers with good taste
		We need queers that taste good...