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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:41:32 EDT
From:         Dennis Boone <DRBMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mixed case file names.
              7 Oct 1992 13:34:38 EDT from <TREY@IBMH1.ORL.MMC.COM>

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:34:38 EDT <TREY@IBMH1.ORL.MMC.COM> said:
>>Except IBM broke either CMS or FLIST at some point.  This fails on our
>>VM/XA 2.1, CMS 5.6, IPF/XA combination.
>
>Dennis,
>I really doubt, IBM broke it.  A systems/application programmer at your
>site probably "broke" it on purpose; As an attempt to keep the uninformed
>user out of trouble.

I AM the guy who installed it.  There was some discussion on this particular
glitch on some list a month or so back; it may have been here.  About the
only people here who use this critter are two of "us Systems programmers,"
i.e. the people who get called when the "Groups Read A1" file can't be
deleted by any known means.  Everyone else is content with FILELIST.

Dennis
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:38:47 EDT
From:         Joseph Ryan <JRYAN@PSUHMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AXXESS

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:37:00 EDT Richard Varenas said:
>Does anyone have a version of the AXXESS command that works under CMS 8
>ESA 1.1? The source code would be much appreciated. Thanks.
What is AXXESS?
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:19:10 CDT
From:         Tim Eisler <U18983@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CMSDEF MODULE source code
              from "(The Rocket Scientist)" <fusion@MATT.KSU.KSU.EDU>

> Does anyone have the source code (in rexx preferably) for the
> CMSDEF MODULE?  Thanks.

The Listserv at Ohio State has a CMSDEF PACKAGE in the VM-UTIL
repository.  Source is there, but it's in assembler not rexx.

Tim Eisler
Systems Programmer
Computer Center
University of Illinois at Chicago
From: siperas@HSI.COM ((Steve Siperas))
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Subject: Tape Functions
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:25:46 GMT
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Hi

I was wondering is there a way in VM to

1) Copy 1 tape to another tape without specifying all the files on the
   tape - right now I'm using a combination of FILEDEF and MOVEFILE
   and have to define every file on the tape

2) IS there a VM function that will scan a tape and output file attributes
   i.e. file blocksize and # block, # files on tape, # tape marks on tape

thanks

steve
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:42:34 EDT
From:         Joseph Ryan <JRYAN@PSUHMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mixed case file names.
              7 Oct 1992 13:34:38 EDT from <TREY@IBMH1.ORL.MMC.COM>

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:34:38 EDT <TREY@IBMH1.ORL.MMC.COM> said:
>>>     If you have the IPF product, you can issue a FLIST command (as
>>>opposed to FILELIST) and then you can edit, erase, or whatever.
>>
>>Except IBM broke either CMS or FLIST at some point.  This fails on our
>>VM/XA 2.1, CMS 5.6, IPF/XA combination.
>
>Dennis,
>I really doubt, IBM broke it.  A systems/application programmer at your
>site probably "broke" it on purpose; As an attempt to keep the uninformed
>user out of trouble.
>
At one point, one version of FLIST would not read mixed case files. I think
it was when we were running VM/ESA 1.0 ESA Feature. We are now 1.1 and the
FLIST that was loaded with the CMS Utilities DOES work with mixed case.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:47:05 EDT
From:         "(Steve Siperas)" <siperas@HSI.COM>
Subject:      FTP question
Comments: To: VM-UTIL@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

Hi all

I'm not a systems person so pardon these questions. I'm trying to
fix some problems that never get resolved on my own.
Our background is We have a few VAXs and a 9370 on a Ethernet
and I login to a VAX then access the 9370.

I have 2 FTP problems that maybe someone can help me with
1) I do all my mail and FTP from the VAX and everything is fine
   but I cannot FTP files of lrecl 512 from the VAX to the 9370
   but I can do it from the VAX to a MVS machine.

2) I would like to ftp some files from a offsite to the 9370 directly
   instead of doing a FTP -> VAX -> 9370. If I get on the 9370
   I can FTP or Ping a local machine (inhouse) but if I ftp/ping a outside
   site by name I get "unknown host" if I try ftp/ping by internet
   address I get times out

Is there some defaults I can change on the 9370 FTP software to solve
these problems? We have VM/IS 5.1 VM TCP/IP FTP R1.2.1.

thanks much

steve
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Organization: Oklahoma State University
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:08:19 CST
From:         Brent Stilley <UCCXBRS@OSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: How to pack large files?
              9 Oct 1992 04:13:35 TUR from <RITTERBUS001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>

On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:13:35 TUR <RITTERBUS001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU> said:
>
>The CMS COPY command includes an option to pack a file, as well as one
>to replace it keeping the same name and date.  The format is
>
>COPY FILNAM FILTYP FM = = = ( replace olddate pack

FYI, if you only use the PACK option, you don't need to specify the second
filespec or replace.  E.G. COPY FILNAM FILTYP FM (PACK OLDD

Brent Stilley,  Oklahoma State University, 113 Math Sciences, Stillwater, 74078
From: RICHETIN@FRNSAE11.BITNET (j-l richetin)
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Subject: limdep
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:53:43 GMT
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i installed LIMDEP software under cms. But it doesn't work corectly
any help by somebody who used it will be apreciated.
apologies for my english :-)
thank's
sorry if it's note the correct list for this question
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:00:16 -0600
From:         Jay Falck <JFALCK%DIR.DECNET@RELAY.THE.NET>
Subject:      ACX-PM Software
Comments: To: vm-util@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

I'm in the process of evaluating ACX-PM printer management software to control
the various ASCII printers we have attached to VM. I'm interested in finding
out what the user community experience is with this product. We are going to
use it for driving HP Laserjets, IBM 4029 and XEROX 4045 printers for now. I
have not tried the 4029's yet but the 4045 and laserjet seem to be fine.
Any opinions? Thanks in advance.

Jay Falck                          internet: jfalck@ocs.dir.texas.gov
VM System Programmer               phone: 512-389-4986
Texas Parks & Wildlife Dept
From: jbbh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Judith A. Brink)
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Subject: Census of Manufacturers
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:26:34 GMT
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Does anyone out there have the following tapes?

Census of Manufacturers for 1963 and 1967? ICPSR, NARA, and the
government can't give us anything prior to 1972. If you can help, please
contact me at the e-mail address listed below. Thank you!

Judith Brink, Social Sciences Librarian
Carnegie Mellon University
Hunt Library
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-6809/e-mail:jbbh+@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:37:42 LCL
Reply-To:     "(George McCarthy)" <mccarthy@LEVY.BARD.EDU>
From:         "(George McCarthy)" <mccarthy@LEVY.BARD.EDU>
Subject:      british unemployment

Greetings,

I'm looking for data on employment and unemployment in Great Britain for the
years 1970-1990.  The less aggregated the data the better.  In particular, I
need data broken down by region and race if possible.

If anyone knows of any data of this type, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.

George McCarthy
<mccarthy@levy.bard.edu>
From: JARGO@UTDALLAS.BITNET ((Jargowsky, Paul A.))
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Subject: Re: Census of Manufacturers
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:31:00 GMT
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I don't have it, but a good person to try is Doug Mills at Princeton
University (DLM@PUCC).  Princeton has the complete collection of 1970 4th
count census tapes, which you simply can't buy from the government or
anybody else that I know of.  So they may have the ones you seek as well.
Organization: San Jose State University
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:20:40 PDT
From:         John Sroka <SROKA@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU>
Subject:      Rules Facility

Hmmm... we have user rules set up to only allow a select set of LUs
access to certain SCI user ids.  However the Rules Facility seems to
ignore the restrictions when a user dials in on a 'virtual' LU such
as the ones created by IBM's VM TCP/IP product (Lnnn).  Has anyone
else noticed this?
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:27:13 EDT
From:         "Steven P. Roder" <TKSSTEVE@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rules Facility

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:15:36 EDT Gary Sponseller said:
>On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:20:40 PDT John Sroka said:
>>Hmmm... we have user rules set up to only allow a select set of LUs
>>access to certain SCI user ids.  However the Rules Facility seems to
>>ignore the restrictions when a user dials in on a 'virtual' LU such
>>as the ones created by IBM's VM TCP/IP product (Lnnn).  Has anyone
>>else noticed this?
>
>It would help if you give a sample rule that fails... ;-)
>
>We use rules like:  ACCEPT L1%% LOGON ( NETID
>(assuming NORULE REJECT) and logon is certainly contained by the desired
>terminal types.  For example, Telnet session like L001 are rejected,
>while those like L111 are accepted.

Perhaps, if you want the rule to govern logical devices (rather than Network
devices), use the LDEV option, rather than NETID.  We are running VMSECURE/E,
and LDEV works.  I believe LDEV was introduced quite some time ago.


Steve Roder
(tkssteve@ubvm.bitnet | tkssteve@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu | (716)645-3564
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:50:05 PDT
From:         John Sroka <SROKA@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rules Facility

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:15:36 EDT Gary Sponseller said:
>
>It would help if you give a sample rule that fails... ;-)
>

yes, it would...

>We use rules like:  ACCEPT L1%% LOGON ( NETID
>(assuming NORULE REJECT) and logon is certainly contained by the desired
>terminal types.  For example, Telnet session like L001 are rejected,
>while those like L111 are accepted.

That, and the second suggestion of using LDEV in place of NETID both
work fine, thanks.  I was trying something like:

REJECT * LOGON (NETID
ACCEPT 6C* LOGON (NETID

Thanks again.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:15:36 EDT
From:         Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rules Facility
              7 Oct 1992 14:20:40 PDT from <SROKA@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU>

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:20:40 PDT John Sroka said:
>Hmmm... we have user rules set up to only allow a select set of LUs
>access to certain SCI user ids.  However the Rules Facility seems to
>ignore the restrictions when a user dials in on a 'virtual' LU such
>as the ones created by IBM's VM TCP/IP product (Lnnn).  Has anyone
>else noticed this?

It would help if you give a sample rule that fails... ;-)

We use rules like:  ACCEPT L1%% LOGON ( NETID
(assuming NORULE REJECT) and logon is certainly contained by the desired
terminal types.  For example, Telnet session like L001 are rejected,
while those like L111 are accepted.
From: STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Stan Horwitz)
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Subject: VMSORT MERGE with VS COBOL II
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:54:22 GMT
Organization: Temple University - Computer Services

A faculty member here is using VS COBOL II to teach an advanced course in
IBM VSAM. One of his assignments involves doing a merge of two input files
to an output file. We use VMSORT 2.2D and it works nicely on its own and
when using VS COBOL II V 3.3 to farm out sorts to it.

Unfortunately, VMSORT barfs when we do the simplest possible MERGE statement
from within VS COBOL II. The result is an abend with totally meaningless
dump information presented on the screen. By using COBTEST, I was able to
deduce only that the status variables for the two input files were both set
to 35. We are also up-to-date with our zaps to this product.

Of course, I contacted SCI regarding this matter. They seem as dumbfounded as
I was when I first saw this problem. The last conversation I had with someone
from SCI this afternoon  seemed to indicate that some user exit 32 was being
used by our COBOL compiler to farm out the merging, but that they do not fully
support that exit. SCI is still checking into this problem for me, but I was
wondering if anyone else out there experienced difficulties using VS COBOL II
with VMSORT to do file merges. I suspect that this function isn't available
to anyone, not just to me, but maybe I'm  wrong. From what I gathered from SCI,
they will have to write a new module to handle this exit 32 if it is indeed
the cause of this problem.

Thanks

Stan Horwitz
stan@vm.temple.edu
stan@templevm
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:07:46 EDT
From:         Ted Sikorski <TED@VM.UTCS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Mastering INTERNET TOOLS
              01 Oct 92 11:28:54 EDT from <MARYANN@vm.utcs.utoronto.ca>

On Thu, 01 Oct 92 11:28:54 EDT MaryAnn Cervin-Lawry said:
Sounded good on the surface. The institution where this professor
resides has suspended this professors account. Turns out he was
doing something that was not approved by his insitution.

/Ted

>Ted, what do you think of this?
>MaryAnn
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>         "Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power" -
>                    "The InterMeta Course"
>
>     Begining on October 10, the InterMeta Course will describe
>the History of the Metanetwork and cover the basic utilities used
>to access the network, as well as to guide users through the
>Internet's, Bitnet's, (and othernets') "databases of databases"
>to access files and archives available. Some of the topics to be
>presented in the InterMeta Course are how to (1)Remote Login,
>(2)Use Electronic Mail, (3)Move a File, (4)Find Software,
>(5)Locate a Person, (3)Deal with Network Problems. An index that
>covers a selection of resources available on the Internet,
>ranging from Card Catalogs to Archives for USENET news will also
>be delivered.
>     In addition, some sessions will help UNIX, VMS, VAX and DOS
>users to interface their systems to the Net.
>     Resulting from five years of researching and using the
>Network, the InterMeta Course is being prepared by Gelson
>Gomes, Ph.D. The InterMeta is the first experience of a Global
>Scale Course utilizing a matrix of connected networks, the
>Metanetwork.
>     Dr. Gomes is a professor at the Federal University of Parana
>and is conducting research on the Computer Industries of Brazil
>and Taiwan. He got his Doctoral Degree on Science and Technology
>Public Policy at The George Washington University (Washington
>D.C.).
>     The course will be ministered from Brazil; to help
>recovering local communication costs, (PDN is very expensive in
>Brazil) a flat $ 5 US dollars donation is requested.
>     To enroll in the InterMeta Course, please fill in the
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>____________________________________________________________
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:16:56 EDT
From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rules Facility
              7 Oct 1992 14:20:40 PDT from <SROKA@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU>

>Hmmm... we have user rules set up to only allow a select set of LUs
>access to certain SCI user ids. However the Rules Facility seems to
>ignore the restrictions when a user dials in on a 'virtual' LU such as
>the ones created by IBM's VM TCP/IP product (Lnnn). Has anyone else
>noticed this?

Let me betray my VTAM ignorance here, but it seems the pool of Lnnn
users is not something you have control over. Is it not the case that CP
deals from one deck of Lnnn numbers, no matter how the session is
created? (Ie FAL, SESSION, what have you?)

It would be nice if there could be separate pools, and if FAL could
assign people to separate groups based on, for instance, a table of
originating IP addresses. For instance, we'd love to be able to
logically segment staff terminals for our librarians from dialup phone
users, such that our VSE guest knows which pool is which set of users.

Could you give a specific example of what you're doing with rules, and
how it works at all for any LDEV users?

/Rich Wiggins, Michigan State U
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:30:18 CDT
From:         "Mark R. Williamson" <MARK@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

Can you tell us all what kind of problem you are having?  What symptoms,
like error messages, have you observed?  Does the mail leave your site
and get bounced back, or never leave your site?

I do notice that our MAILER doesn't believe in yours, nor do you have a
:servers1 tag in your node entry, so perhaps the problem is as simple
as not having registered your mailer for outbound use before testing it.

Mark R. Williamson, Rice U., Houston TX; MARK@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU or @RICEVM1
From: KSUNAD@SAKSU00.BITNET
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Subject: (no subject given)
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:39:12 GMT
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   WE have insalled the MAILER and the listserv to our system,
but we still have problem for sending  mail through the MAILER out side
our site.
 SO please HELP US.
                           thanks  saleh al-yamey
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:09:52 -0400
From:         jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:      Retrieval of mailer from the PUCC listserv

Due to a bug I've found, the code available from listserv@pucc is temporarily
locked for retrieval.  Once the problem is fixed I unlock the files and place
an announcement on the XMAILER list.

   John
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From: env@pa.itd.com (8224)
Subject: Remote Sensing Job Announcement
Organization: Space Remote Sensing Center
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:59:13 GMT

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                            JOB ANNOUNCEMENT


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REMOTE SENSING IMAGE PROCESSOR/GIS ANALYST - The Space Remote Sensing Center
is now accepting resumes for the full time position of Image Processing
Analyst to assist in the development of commercial applications of remote
sensing/GIS technology.  Potential candidates will be expected to assist in
defining the image processing/GIS solutions for specific projects and needs of 
the center's Environmental Division.  An in-depth knowledge of image processing
remote sensing, and GIS and the ability to apply this knowledge to environmentalproblems is mandatory.  Applicants must have a B.S. or M.S. in wetland ecology,
Preference will be given to candidates having educational training or extensive
given to candidates well versed in the use of ARC/INFO GIS software.  Resumes
should be submitted to:

Timothy A. Gress                                Email: env@pa.itd.com
Environmental Program Manager               Telephone: (601) 688-2509
Space Remote Sensing Center                       Fax: (601) 688-2861
Building 1103
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From:         "(Fred Medlin)" <fwm@BBT.COM>
Subject:      Re: keystrokes in digitizing

Werner,

    There are several PC packages for automated software testing that
    may be more versatile than simple keystroke capture. These tools
    were designed to accept software test cases and apply them to a
    system under test. They can record and playback keystroke and mouse
    events. Typically, there is programmability with this sort of
    tool. Scripts can be edited. Many have C programming interfaces.
    I haven't used automated test tools in the mode that you require,
    but it might work better than simpler tools. Microsoft Test is one.
    PreVue bt Performance Awareness is another. There are several more
    that I can help you track down if you feel it is worth the effort.

Fred Medlin
fwm@bbt.com

>
> for an HCI experiment (applying the keystroke level model to manual
> digitizing of maps), we need to record keyboard and cursor events
> on a PC 386 running autocad.
>
> does  anybody know a utility (or hack or hardware solution with eg a blackbox)
> to do this? note that we need single key events rather than autocad commands.
>
> any pointers would be appreciated.
> please reply directly to
>
> werner kuhn
> kuhn@elvvs1.tuwien.ac.at
>