HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Letter
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:20:28 GMT
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com


Jeff,

Good job.  Please e-mail me a copy.  kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM

I would like to print it out, and put my name in your name spot, and
also send it to the Pres.  I would hope everyone in this group would
do the same thing.  If he gets enough of these letters, he might just
listen.

Kathie  ;.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Re^2: alien info.wanted
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:27:34 GMT

Max Elliot[writes]

 
> I'm not trying to say that I should expect hostility and profanity,
>  but I should expect at least *some* ridicule. Anyway, flame the hell
out
>  of him! (via E-mail, please).

>  Cheers!
>-Max

Public ridicule in itself asks for public rebuttle.

Rod


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From: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Cayce's Pyramid
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:03:50 GMT
Distribution: world               
Organization: private UUCP site, Kiel, Germany

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
> Dear Folk: Tomorrow I should have some time to do some more posting.
> John Winston.

You are definitely out of shapes - just 10 postings today, not counting
this really good one.



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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: morale@jec303.its.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales)
Subject: Re: Moon sightings
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:40:02 GMT

magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad) writes:

>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:32:14 GMT, coakley@cch.coventry.ac.uk
>>>>>> (Cpl.Flash ) said:

>	Flash> looking at alien craft at the top of a crater?  	I
>	Flash> think armstrong said something like "..my god there's
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>	Flash> hundreds 	of them". I'm not to sure because as i
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>No, no; he said 'Oh my god - it's full of stars!' - of course this was
>cencored by the CIA. Dr Asimov, however, who was at that time involved
                      ^^^^^^^^^

>in a number of Top Secret projects, including the Philadelphia
>project, later used it in his book '2001'. It's all there.

>-Magnus

Gosh!!! Where do you people get your info from???
First you reach silly conclusion fron a bad quote,
then to top it off you attrubute the quote to the wrong
author. Dr Asimov, may he rest in peace, did not write that.
Arthur C. Clarke did in _his_ 2001:A Space Oddissey.

You can't connect a simple book with its author.
How are you going to prove/disprove the existence of aliens???
Sheeezzzz.....


Enrique
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Auras
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:09:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Aura Watchers: I believe you will find this earth is going to 
last for quite a while and have an aura. If it should blow up it 
will go to pieces and come back together as a part of some other 
planet or sun. Nothing dies as far as I have been told.
John Winston.
From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost)
Subject: Re: Wake up to reality
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:41:38 GMT

In article <1553.479.uupcb@homebase.com> joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)  writes:
>To: stancad@woods.ulowell.edu
>From: hombas!Joseph.daniels@uunet.ca
>
>ST|Wake up everybody! This is the real world...there are no UFOs...
>  `----------------------------------------------------------------


Really?  Prove it.

CJR
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Aliens.Part1
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:38:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: alt
  <69621@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: I was wondering if the maker of this collection got this 
material directly out of Behold The Pale House or if it is new 
material.
John Winston
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Aliens.Part1
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:26:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: alt

Dear Earth People: My comment on the information given is the same 
as Mr. Spok of Star Trek---very interesting.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Monsters and Etc.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 07:37:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <69443@cup.portal.com> <69514@cup.portal.com>

Subject: Flying Whatsit.
  What has a 40 foot windspan, flys and screams like  everything?  I don't 
know either but they are seeing them down in Peru.  
  A remote village high on the snowcapped slopes of the Andes Mountains of 
Peru is being ravaged by winged creatures that ruled the skies before the 
dawn of man-the flying dinosaurs know as  pterodactyls!
  Until recently, the monstrous flying reptiles, believed to have been extinct 
for more than 120 million years, had attacked  only the villagers llama 
herds, but there is grisly new evidence that humans are falling prey to 
their savage fury. 
  Over the past seven months, at least four different pterodactyls have been 
seen attacking the llama herds and menacing the herders. The largest of 
those is said to have a wingspan of beteeren 35 and 40 feet - about the size 
of a single-engine Cessana plane   
  "This entire situation simply staggers the mind", declared Department of 
Interior spokesman Gustava Legula, "I have been in the village of San Pasco 
and I have see the flying giants with my own eyes.  They are a creation of 
the devil himself.  
  These are the descendants of the flying dragons that lived in the time of 
the dinosaurs.  They were the largest creature ever  to soar above the earth 
before they became extinct millions and millions of years ago, and yet they 
are here today in Peru, living in the caves of the mountains.  Tkhey have 
almost wiped out the llama herds and now, they have also taken human lives.
 Legula explained that villagers have failed to return to their homes after 
setting out in search of the flying reptiles. 
  Although no bodies have been found, the tattered and blood stained remains 
of their clothing have been recovered from the rugged slopes where 
pterodactyls have frequently been seen.
  Villager Guillermo Bejar was tending his llama herd early one morning when 
three of the prehistoric monsters swooped out of the sky and attacked him 
and his animals. 
  There is no warning when they attack.  They plucked my poor animals from the 
ground and carried them to their death.
  Bejar, one of about a dozen villagers who has witnessed the savage attacks 
barely excaped with his life as the pterodactyls carried off his llama herd. 
  It is known that pterodactyls lived in this part of the world during the 
Jurassic and Cretaceous periods.  Their fossils have been found not only  in 
South America but in North Ameriaca as well.
  This is me (John Winston) speaking now. Did you ever hear of such a thing in 
your life? The next thing they will be saying is that these things are being 
seen a little ways from Malibu, Calif. Well I never---.
John Winston.
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From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Monuments of Mars
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:42:22 GMT

 >> |> I've got a hunch there is more than one face and that the Mars
observer will
>> |> verify that and the existence of other artifacts.
>> Well, that's really silly.  Why would anyone in their right mind carve
faces
>> in the side of a mountain??

>We do. Why not them ? (If it is them, and i'm not saying it is!)

>Mt. Rushmore (and Crazy Horse) are insignificant in size compared to the
>Mars Structure.  In fact, this thing would only be observable from the
>air, probably (since it *does* seem to be looking outward).  Reminds me
>of those Indian art things in NEw Mexico (or wherever).  Of course, its
>more likely that the thing is just a natural artifact.


What about the Nazca(sp?) Lines in South America?  They have to be viewed
from very high above the ground as well.  BTW what do our own pyramids look
like from orbit? Any gifs that anyone knows about?

Rod




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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Phobos II Incident
Keywords: Phobos II
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:43:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:
	Flame me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the problem with Phobos
	II that the control center accidentally sent the craft a
	"switch off antenna" signal, realising then that the craft
	could not receive any "switch on antenna" signals they might
	send.

...actually, there were two phobos craft, and one was accidently
disabled by its controllers (I don't remember the details offhand, but
it was something like you describe.)  The second craft successfully
(and functioning) made it to Mars, and then whatever happened to it
happened.

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: JW
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:49:09 GMT

fis@evil.demon.co.uk (fis) writes:
: I suggest we have a whip round so that we can hire someone to pay a visit
: to Mr J Winston.
: On their arrival their duty would be to shove the largest object in the
: vicinity down his THROAT!
: JOHN - YOU'RE DOING OUR HEADS IN, AND WE WISH YOU WERE DEAD.
: fis@evil.demon.co.uk

Well said.
I never thought that a kill file would be so necessary, and have tolerated
many different opinions on the net. However, the stupid postings of JW
have incensed me to the point that the first (and only) pattern in my kill
file has become *_-_*.  Now, if only I could filter the threads that include
his postings, too.

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Re^2: alien info.wanted
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:16:07 GMT

From article <1992Nov14.163829.25081@odin.corp.sgi.com>, by rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith):
> What started this whole thing:
> jcj@tellabs.com[writes]
> 
>  >>Is it a ufology requirement that one know nothing of elementary
>> astronomy?
> 
> rodb@sgi.com[writes]
>> 
>> Is it an astronomy requirement that one be a pompous ass?
>> 
>> Rod 
>> 
> 
> Max, Gregg, & the rest,
> 
> Injection of fact is one thing, delivery of moronic remarks is another. If
> people must make uniformed sweeping statements about people of a certain

  long analogy...

> 
> If you all can't see my point...........................so be it. 
> 
> BTW-There are in fact quite a few astronomers that are actively involved in
> UFO research, amateur & professional. This invalidates the original snide
> remark by 
> Jeff.

  I agree Rod, that person's original remark was snide. Too bad that it
  offended you so. Your analogy is clear but I still maintain that to
  butt heads with commonly accepted truth and make outrageous claims is
  deserving of some real HEAT. For example if I were to state as fact that
  "All Internet adresses are secret codes for communication with aliens"
  I might expect a roasting such as a lesson on internet adresses. Now,
  I'm not trying to say that I should expect hostility and profanity,
  but I should expect at least *some* ridicule. Anyway, flame the hell out
  of him! (via E-mail, please).

  Cheers!
-Max

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Re: Info Needed
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:32:09 GMT

skar@warp6.cs.misu.NoDak.edu (Keith M. Skar) writes:

>A friend of mine would like to find out all he can about
>Area 51....Is there a FAQ or a ftp site for this newsgroup.
>Or can anybody send me some Info...

>Thanks

Well, good luck to your friend... The bastards at Area 51 have taken
themselves off the net:

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Seriously, there is a FAQ (and a very good one) for the group, and it lists
several ftp sites, and other archival sources of information.
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:03:26 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <92320.155010SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu>, SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu (Stephen Kuhn) writes:
> From: Rob Farquhar, temp. using this account.

>[Lots of geological terms terms slightly altered]

1/10 Try harder.


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From: golight@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:11 EST
Subject: Re: A letter to Clinton/Gore
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov18.074528.14279@netcom.co:16538288:peg:422800034:000:367
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!golight    Nov 19 21:11:00 1992


G'day Rhys....

Instead of your IMHO's why don't you get off your dorkus & write a
personal ltr to the Pressie yo self?

As for Jefferies post...good on'm....in addition we've got plenty
of secret government to get to ourselves....so let's get to work.

If half the population of the planet would stand-up and get on
with it...the rest would follow!

Regards, Photon
From: peter@stycx.hacktic.nl (Author)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: underground facilities
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:43:19 PST
Organization: River of Doom. Running through Central Holland

I've been reading that there would be a number of underground facilities 
for use by aliens in Arizona and New Mexico. Notably these facilities 
would have been contructed underneath Native American Reservations. Is 
there anyone out there who happens to know which reservations? Also I 
would be interested to see if some of you, living in Arizona and New 
Mexico, who have more information on this.

The thing sounds pretty wild to me, but I commited myself to an open mind 
and a 'bann' on the word impossible.

Peter-

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: praveen@carina.unm.edu (parveen j seph.quintero sinaha)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 15:54:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

	Wait, why is everyone talking as if Bill Clinton doesnt know
about the coverup?  Has no one been paying attention to the powers
higher than MJ-12?  Bill Clinton is a North American member of the
Trilateralist Commision (along with George Bush, and quite a few others),
and *must* know about the aliens...
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: UniversalTranslator Inc
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:29:35 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

According to John_-_Winston@cup,portal.com
>....and  say goodbye and may God be with you.Adona Vasu Baragus

chip@tct.com 15 Nov 92 17:06:46 GMT (Chip Salzenburg) responds- 
>>Klaatu Baruda Nicto!

       (c)?
From: hitmantt@terapin.com (Harold Herndon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: I know why thier here!
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:06:18 PST
Organization: BBS

    I've been reading this sub for a while now. I've heard every possible
explination for why the "Greys" are here. They range from, they're curious
about us and just want to study us to they're here to eat us and take over the
planet or they have already taken over the planet. Most of these are incorrect,
except about the eating part.
    I am a 24 year old African-American male. I live in Oakland,California.
What I am about to tell you is pure fact.
    It was 1982 and I was living near Shreveport,LA in a small town named
Vivian. I went on a fishing trip with my father about 9 miles into the woods. I
had just caught a small catfish when a bright twinkle caught my eye. I looked
up and froze stiff and my mouth dropped open. I saw a black flying saucer
shaped object. I don't know how many feet across it was but it was at least 200
feet. Then to my utter horror the thing started to decend. It then proceeded to
land in a large clearing about 1/4 mile away. My father just stood there
luaghing at me. He looked to be in some sort of shock. Anyway I left him and
something made me run towards the ship. As I came to it there was a small man
rounding the ship. But it looked like man, it looked just like one of the greys
I've just now started to see on TV. Something told me to say something so I
choked down my fear and said "Hello". The little grey man jumped and to my
suprise said "Hi' how are you?". It spoke perfect english.
    After a few seconds of stareing at it I then said why are you here? The man
said my name is Tral(like Al). "I am here to warn your governments about a
great problem. The leaders on my planet are going to invade your planet and use
your people like cattle. The "council" made a deal with a well known buisness
leader on your plant 30 years ago. His name was Sanders, yes Col. Sanders the
fried chicken king. He has made a dark deal to open a chain of fried human
franchises across the galaxy. And your people are about to be slaughtered by
the millions". I said this sound like bull to me. He said " No Earth man it is
true. They will come in the year 2000. They love human meat they can find no
other meat so tender and juicy, and add Col. Sanders eleven herbs and spices
and they cannot resist. Beware human they ARE coming.."
    The ship left and I ran to my father who was sitting in the truck. He asked
me what he said and I told him the wasen't gonna believ me.
                                 Thank you,
                                  Hitman


P.S. All writing above this line utter bullshit. Get a life. Aliens are not
comming to get us. You idiots are starting to sound crazy. None of you have
ever met an alien and never will. Go out, see  movie, have some sex geeks.
From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Moon sightings        2/2
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) 

>>> Continued from previous message
Professor:     But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong:     Naturally  - NASA was committed at that time,  and
               couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was  a
               quick scoop and back again.

Armstrong  confirmed  that the story was true but refused  to  go
into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the
cover-up.

---
 . SLMR 2.1a . InfoNet London (519)649-1453 (Hit ^C and enter HELP at $
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: A Letter To Clinton/gore
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:47:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
 > Date: 18 Nov 92 07:45:28 GMT
 > Organization: BeHereNow
 > Message-ID: <1992Nov18.074528.14279@netcom.com>
 > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors


 > Below is a letter I have written to President elect, and Vice President
 > Clinton/Gore regarding UFO secrecy. I would appreciate any constructive
 > comments...
 > Anybody figure out how to reach H. Winkler yet?
 > Jeff-

I may have access to Winkler.  What do you want with him?

Mike

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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Test
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:09:32 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <92325.175708K3032E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>, K3032E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET (Mutter Christoph Johannes) writes:
> This is only a test? Nevermind (NIRVANA).

Surely Lithium (Nirvana)
;-)

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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:11:09 GMT

In article <1e69raINNeb0@gap.caltech.edu> kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney) writes:
>
>"Trilateralist Commission"?  Hey, this sounds an awful lot like the
>Tripartite that Lee Correy talks about in his book "Manna".  Conspiracy
>buffs should read "Manna" solely for the description of the Tripartite.
>It's an economic conspiracy consisting of the NorthAmerican-European
>powers that I almost find believable.

Actually, some of the best information about the Bilderburgers, the Council
on Foriegn Relations (CFR), the Trilateralists Commission, and the Committee
of 300 can be found in the following books:

The Committee of 300		Dr. John Coleman (There are two different
versions being printed, one by the Greens, and one is Joseph Publishing.)

The Cosmic Conspiracy 		Stan Deyo (ex-patriat FBI agent and AirForce
Accadamy cadet)

Behold a Pale Horse		Bill Cooper	(Dubious author perhaps, but
he has done a lot of home work, no matter what you think of his UFO claims.)


If you don't know something of the above groups, you should.
Jeff-


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