From: crosmun@mickey.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Subject: Re: Something Wicked THis Way Comes
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:53:38 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Jul25.191006.1569@reed.edu> orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne) writes:
> [gratuitous name-calling deleted]
>
>  mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:
>: The Reagan/Bush administrations have spent several trillion dollars on
>: social programs. That's enough compassion and caring for the poor.
>
>Big lie, you poor sap.
>The Reagan era and caring do not belong in the same breath.

Spending on social program increased in every year of both Reagan and Bush's 
presidency.  The rate of growth was decreased under Reagan and increased under
Bush.  The cumulative total over the last 12 years is over 1 trillion dollars.

>
>You don't cure anything by underfunding treatment of the symptoms. 
>Caring and compassion for the poor is not a dollar figure.
>
>Ever hear of hatemongering? The phrase, even? I mean, ever?

Yes. So what's your point?

>
>
>: What about compasssion and caring for the working stiffs who have have to
>: trudge to work every days to support the indigents, so they can stay home
>: and have more babies?
>
>You bought it hook, line and sinker, pal.
>Do you wear, actual, physical, tangible blinders?
>
>So the way you see it all, there are two kinds of people: you and them.
>They are a parasitic source of all evil, lazy and manipulating you.
>Indigents live only to breed more indigents, to live off you.
>It must be reassuringly simple to brainwashed like that.

You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk.  You make self-righteous noises
about caring and compassion so why doesn't your care and compassion 't extend 
to the working stiffs who can't make ends meet because funding  your 
compassion to everyone else is taking such a big bite out of their income.  

>
>
>: Unlike most of the jerks who write posts like the one above, I have
>: actually worked in poverty programs and dealt with the poor first
>: hand. They are not some pathetic downtrodden hoard, like the liberal
>: media portrays them. They tend to be lazy, stupid and greedy. Their
>: main goal is to bilk the system as far as possible. To them, working
>: is for suckers.
>

[more mindless name-calling deleted]

>
>: Again, don't let facts get in the way. The US has the strictest
>: anti-pollution and species protection legislation in the world. Bush
>: wisely refused to sign a treaty which would have required the US to give
>: away huge and unpsecified sums to the Third World.
>
>If you believe that, even for a second, I want tissues samples of you now!
>Our President is an oil baron. 
>If you could snap out of it, would you want to?

None of this drivel contradicts the fact that our environmental protection laws
are among the toughest in the world.

>
>Our watch-dog environmental groups exist to protect industrial interests.

If so, then they are doing a lousy job.

>It doesn't matter how small the company or phenomenal the crime.
>Any so-called-enforcer is guaranteed a job when they leave,
>or so they are lead to believe, 
>if they play by the unwritten rules.
>
>Ever actually try and get some toxicity _acknowledged_ by the government?
>I couldn't get them to test the technicolor film growths.
>They kept on testing the puddles hundreds of yards away.

Is this the same government that you think could eliminate poverty if only
it spent enough money?  How come environmental protection programs don't clean
up the environment, but anti-poverty programs eliminate poverty.  Is the 
government half smart and half dumb, half venal and half altruistic?  Or do 
you have blinders on?

>
>I proved governmental corruption and outright, blatant lies in my newspaper.
>They threatened my advertisers.
>
>All I can say is that you deserve everything you get.
>The rest of us sure as hell don't.
>
>
>: It was the arms race that spent the Soviets into submission and freed
>: the peoples of Eastern Europe. It was not wasted money. 
>
>We're not in good shape ourselves, in case you hadn't noticed.

[more name calling deleted]

>
>
>: Guess what Bunky - it is the democratic congress which is the major
>: roadblock to defense spending.
>
>Oh. You are bordering on zombie, here.
>Please, have kids, vote, and attend your neighborhood party meetings.
>That is, until you become the scapegoat.
>
>I wish I could have the pleasure of watching you scrounge in garbage.
>If I hadn't, I wouldn't be alive right now.
>Not that you, or your fellow stormtroopers, give a damn about Americans.
>
>I don't like you very well.
>I know I don't like what you illustrate so clearly.
>
>One thing you might want to remember about us,
>kids like me,
>from the decidedly wrong side of the tracks...
>We can have people killed for less than what you pay to wash your car.

This sounds like the symptom of something, but I'm not sure what.  Maybe the
kind of Balkanization and Us against Them mentality you've been complaining 
about.
>
>Prometheus Hawthorne-Jones, orpheus@reed.edu, Portland, OR - (503) 227-1315


William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

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