From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: alt.discrimination = alt.caucasian
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:07:10 GMT

I had written:

>I have stated that perhaps the reason "white" people moved out of a
>particular neighborhood was due to an increase in the crime rate. It
>certainly has been a large contributing factor in my area.

dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes/attempts to put words
in my mouth as follows:

>Now here you state that you KNOW that the increase in crime, in your area,
>plays a part in the whites moving away. You also IMPLY that this is due
>to an increase in the number of "minorities" moving into your area. By 
>minority am I to assume you mean AfAms ?

I KNOW that the crime rate in my area has jumped about 200% in the past
five years.

I KNOW that there has been a large influx of upwardly-mobile minorities
into the area during that same time period.

I do not single out any one minority group, as, in traditional American
melting pot style, the minorities have consisted of blacks, hispanics,
and asians.


>You stated previously that the whites in your area are moving out in part due
>to the increase in the crime rate. 
>I would like to know what source are you using
>to judge whether or not the crime rate has actually increased in your area.

My father is a 30-year gold shield of the police force. Furthermore, when 
purchasing our current home we used crime statistics accumulated from the
state/city law enforcement offices to determine which areas were classified
as "low crime".


>Now here you do it again ! You IMPLY that there is a correlation. Get real !
>Then you make another ridiculous statement by saying that "maybe" minorities
>are MORE tolerant of crime than whites ????

I have stated two facts. I have made no attempt to correlate the two. It would
be interesting to perform a study of minority groups in "white" areas which
are experiencing a crime increase to determine if in fact they (the
minorities) have different attitudes towards crime. 

Of course, you're not really interested in sociological research now, are
you? You're just interested in hot-headed, delusional accusations of 
"them white boys are out to get me."


>Your stupidity never ceases to  
>amaze me !

Gee, guess you're going to start resorting to those personal attacks like
you used to in MISC.JOBS, huh? And here I thought that perhaps you had
grown up.


>By the fact that as soon as the AfAm population in a given "white" area 
>reaches 8%, the whites feel the need to move.

Do you have a source?


>Get over it and move on. I did not say anything that you yourself didn't
>say or IMPLY already...

I imply nothing. Apparently you are still have some growing up to do.


>No conspiracy.... Just facts....

"Facts" conjured up in your own mind. Care to cite references?


>Once again..... You stated that there was an increase of crime in your area
>and then you state that there has been more minorities moving into
>your area

Two indisputable facts.


>then you finally say that maybe minorities are more tolerant of
>crime than whites

Perhaps they are? Do minorities like to live in a crime-ridden area? I
think not. Certainly the ones that I know do not.

Do minorities have the same capacity to move out of the area that
whites do when there is a crime increase? I don't know, I haven't 
studied the issue or performed any primary research.


>Sounds to me like you are saying that the increase
>of crime in your area is related to the increase in the minority population
>in your area.

Sounds like you're attempting to find conspiracies under every rock.


>You also stated in a previous posting that the reason why the
>whites in a given area move when the AfAm population reaches 8% could be 
>due to an increase in the crime rate. You said it not me.

You made an arbitrary statement that (to paraphrase) "when the black
population reaches 8% in a given area the whites move out". I asked if you
had done any research to determine if the real reason why whites needed
to move was the fact that "blacks" moved into the area, or if there was
a hidden reason, such as an increase in crime. 


>What facts ! You have only given your OWN views, not facts.

The two facts which I have reiterated over and over again is the crime rate
increase in my area, and the influx of upwardly-mobile minorities. I don't
start making up "facts" like 'when black people move into a neighborhood
the white people decide to leave', as you do.


>Like you know what rational is .......HA HA HA 

I quote:

	According to Professor Asa Hilliard, a black psychologist
	at Georgia State University, black students have cultural
	characteristics that whites lack: "high levels of 
	energy, impulsive interrupting, and loud talking".

	- Schlesinger, Arthur M. Jr, The Disuniting Of America -
		Reflections on a Multicultural Society, W.W.
		Norton & Company, Inc., New York, NY, 1992. Pg. 64.


Sounds like the Professor hit the nail on the head, wouldn't you say?

MD
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