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From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:21:36 EDT
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: Cornell University

haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu writes: 
> jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu) writes:
>> 
>>   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
>> somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
>> then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
>> of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
>> here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after April 11, 
>> I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
>> would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
>> protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
>> We should report our situation to IFCSS.
>> 
>> -Jianxiong Zhu
>> Syracuse University
> 
>   Frankly, I think you do not need to be covered by the protection bill if
> you can stay in China for as long as 100 days and still return to USA safely.
> If you do feel you need some kind of protection, don't go back to China.
> 
> --HAMLET

  I guess it would be safe if it is predetermined that one can return to the
US (using a student visa or a greencard), and it would not be safe (hence
needs protection) if Mr.Zhu goes to China and stays.  That's the whole point
for this "protection bill", isn't it?

---dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: v999rkjl@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Information needed on TAX issue
Keywords: tax
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi, netters:

The foreign adviser here told me that all the RAs from P.R.China
are liable to the fedral tax once their salaries for one calendar 
year are higher than $5,000.

But according to my understanding, for the students from P.R.China,
their scholarship or assistantship (no matter R.A. or T.A.) are 
exempted from fedral or state tax according to certain tax treaties 
between Chinese and US governent. 

Anybody has any information about this tax issue? Please send e-mail
to:
     v999rkjl@ubvms.bitnet
     v999rkjl@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
or   qizeng@acsu.buffalo.edu

Thanks!
From: yifang@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Yi Fang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: looking for classmate at U. of Maryland
Keywords: classmate
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:07:26 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

I am looking for a couple classmates whose names are Huang, Jia-yi and Liu, XianZhen.  They were studying in architecture before in China.  If anybody on thenetfrom U. of Maryland knows them, please email me at 'yifang@bsu-cs.bsu.edu'.  
Thanks for the help.  

Yi Fang from Indianapolis, Indiana
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:51:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.141707.28412@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao) writes:
>
>
>>Chi1 Bao2 Le1 Cheng2 De4!
>Chi1 Bao3 Le4 Cheng1 De4.(Beijing Hua4)

How about: Chi4 Bao2 Le Cheng4 De!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Dare to Hate
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:42:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.184418.1@max.u.washington.edu>  
cangyuan@max.u.washington.edu writes:
> Here is an encouraging note for those who is able to hate.
>                 Cang Yuan in Seattle
> *********************************************************              
> 
> DARE TO HATE
> 
> Be brave
> Dare to hate
> Forget all these peace-priesting monks
> Forget all these wimpy vioces and stinky logics
> Hate the one you must hate
> Let no one persuade you
> Forgive only when you feel like to
> 
> Be free as your wild blood
> Voice your hatred
> Lift it from guilt and shame
> Fist your hatred
> Ready to revenge
> 
> It is also your love
> To the ultimate degree
> 
> *********************************************************



Finally you will hate yourself like most of people soaked with hatred. They  
either got killed or killed themselves.

Carl
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:53:27 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  
   Don't forget any American president will take the benefit of US as the 
first place while dealing with foreign affairs. So no matter Elephant or
Donkey as president today will definitely keep a good relationship with 
China. The reason is simple: China is a sub-superpower or one of superpower 
in the world. Bush knows it well and carry out a moderate policy to deal
with China. Good relationship is helpful to make China accept US idea and
corperate in the critical world affairs. Facts show that. China didn't
act against American actions on Iraq or Yugo(slavia) in United Nation. 
Meanwhile the reform in China gets supports from the States. From this
point, Bush is a very experienced and smart politician. But Clinton
seams too young(nen4). He will be pay a great price for recovery of the
Sino-US relationships if he,as president of USA, carried out what he said 
now. I guess as a governer he could be against China, as a president
he won't. He'll learn a lot and get mature.

cqu    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: how would a "Wheel of Fortune" game be played in Chinese?
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:24:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.035917.13215@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>While a number of us of Bell Labs were eating overtime dinner watching
>the TV show "Wheel of Fortune" in our "Blue Flamingo Lounge" TV lab, I
>got to wondering if a Wheel of Fortune game could be done in Chinese.
>"Wheel of Fortune" is a string of words guessing game, you try to fill 
>in the blank letter spaces of the words of some English phrase.  And
>guess that phrase when you have enough of a clue from the filled in
>letters.  This game should work for any language with a small symbol
>set (i.e. alphabet, aka ASCII).  I think Korean also has a small
>symbol set.  It seems unlikely that this game could
>work in Chinese, as I've been told that there are something like 50K
>characters.  Or could one "spell" (construct) Chinese characters with
>a small set of "strokes", lines, or some such?  Have the game players
>guess what "strokes" are needed to make the characters to guess the
>phrase to win the game?

I imagine that the most reasonable way to play 'wheel of fortune' in
Chinese is to use Pingyin(Just ask your Chinese colleagues). If this is
so, the Chinese version of 'wheel of fortune' would be almost identical
to the American one: the number of letters in each case are almost the
same; there are six vowels in Pinying. There will be an added thrill
for the Chinese game, that is quite often even if you guessed all letters
of a phrase correctly, there might still be different interpretations as 
a vowel can be pronounced in 4 different ways thereby leading to different
written words.

If 'wheel of fortune' wants to open its Chinese operation, this should be
the most money-saving way to go. However some Chinese linguistics experts
might want to lobby CCTV to use 'strokes', that is their bussiness and
in my opinion not feasible.

But after all, this is too far from now for me to worry about.

Fan
-- 
Fan YU                     Internet: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca
Department of Physics              (416)525-9140 ext:3296
McMaster University           
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada     ---------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:18:22 GMT

In article <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
>Pardon me for being sarcastic and cynical, but I guess I missed the
>occasion of China apolgizing to Japan for the long-ago invasion
>attempts.  I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.  Please forgive
>me for these lapses.

The Chinese never tried to invade Japan; the Mongolians did.  Mongolia is not
China.  (Although I suppose some people might agree with that latter sentence.
:-))

As for the June 4 massacre, if the Japanese government wants to admit that it,
like the communist Chinese government, is a government that slaughters people
and stamps over them with military power, then that is fine.  Since it wants
to show the world that it is a democratic government with principles, then it
should be on a higher standard.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23077 soc.culture.hongkong:9823 soc.culture.japan:6751 soc.culture.taiwan:11931
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:50:39 GMT
    <FELIX.92Aug16112918@crowfix.com> <1992Aug16.205819.21328@news.iastate.edu> 
    <1992Aug17.014625.17822@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:

>I'm inclined to think China would have done the same to Japan if
>they'd had half the chance. I don't see any reason to believe that
>Chinese value Japanese lives any more than Japanese value Chinese
>lives. We know your gov't doesn't value its own citizens lives so why
>should we expect otherwise? Lucky for Japan they were on the offensive
>instead of the defensive, and that China was still too backward to be
>a threat.

Well, I think this should be the conclusion of the discussion of this letter.

But I still like to see the fate of the letter. How many signatures have they
been able to collect?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23507 soc.culture.taiwan:12169 soc.culture.hongkong:9995
From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin ~{AVgb~})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: [info] table of contents, HXWZ #73
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:59:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug21.025905.29465
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Dear Netters,

	HXWZ is a weekly electronic magazine in the Chinese language
published by China News Digest (CND).

>From: Executive Editor MinQi Bao <cnd-cm@library.uta.edu>

                           Hua Xia Wen Zhai
                        (CND Chinese Magazine)
                              Issue #73
                            August 21, 1992

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3. Around the World: Strange Things in London ...................Xiao Zi
4. Inside China:
     The Vicissitudes of Stock Application Form (Part 2 of 2)
                     ......................................Zhao Guocheng
5. Humors: .......................................................Ya Lin
     Becoming Hostess
     Waiting for One Minute
     Award
     Breakfast and Appetite
6. Recipe: Ba Bao Fan
7. "We"(Wo Men): Stories of Study .................................Tu Ya
8. Between Readers and Editors:
     Not A Man ...............................Shitou, Yiyan and Chengxin
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: WooLala@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:17:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Green Peace


Test...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: a little survey about chinese PR
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:01:31 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hi! These questions just crossed my mind, anyone has some answer?

1.How many chinese PR's are there in the US? (not chinese Americans)
2.How many kinds of passports they have, and the percentage figure?
3.If a chinese PR hold this status for a long time, say over 10 years,
  what's the reason not to be a US citizen.
4.Is the number of chinese PRs less than the number of chinese Americans,
  and what is the ratio?
5.How many chinese Americans think they are chinese, or they have any thing
  to do with China?

Thanks!
From: yufeng@cis.ksu.edu (Yufeng Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: It seems meaningless to ask for Janpan's apology
Date: 14 Aug 1992 17:46:17 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu

In article <1992Aug14.164324.17101@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <0095F0D0.53E0E840@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
>> >> 
>> >> 	Why does Japan do well?  It doesn't demand the US to say sorry for
>> >> the nuclear bombing each and every time an US president visits.  It  
>doesn't
>> >> refuse the US "war criminals" to donate money for their postwar  
>> >reconstruction.
>> 
>>        Why US need to say sorry to Japan ? It is totally uncessary. Think
>> about how many people Japan killed during WW -II then you would think they
>> desreve to recieve some bombs.
>> 
>
>No! You are wrong! The people killed in Japan by the nuclear bombs are just  
>civilians. The civilians did not deserve to die in such a horrible way. If  
>Japan need to say sorry to Chinese, then the US should say sorry to Japanese  
>too.
>

 But did we chinese people deserve to be massacred, raped by Japanese troops? 
    Did we chinese soldiers deserve to be wounded, killed by Japanese troops? 
    Did our chinese cities, villages and other valueless resourses deserve to 
    be destroied, robbed by Japanese troops?  No. No. 
 It was Japapnese who invaded our beautiful motherland, killed our kind 
 people, plundered our resources. Is a simple "sorry" enough? 


>The point here is not whether the Emperor of Japan should apologize to Chinese  
>people. The apology seems meaningless if the Japanese don't want to apologize.  
>You simply can't force them. I found we Chinese always want to save our faces.  
>In fact, the best way to save our faces is to build a stronger China.
>
>Without a strong China, no matter how loud you cry for respect from other  
>peoples, you simply won't get it.
>
>
 Can a simple "sorry"  save our face??? We have already admitted China is 
 a poor country. We have already admitted we have lots of problems. We
 have already admitted our uglyness. No, we did not mean to save our
 face by letting the Emperor apologize for its past history.  We want
 justice. We want the Emperor to hear the CHINESE VOICE: We will never
 forget what you have done to our CHINESE in the past.  This is not
 the "face" problem.  This is the soul and spirit of Chinese people. 
 If one country has lost its spirit, the country is dead.  
 We really need to give Japanese a lesson: What is a Chinese! 

Yufeng
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: India and China
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:03:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

India and China:

1. Tonight, there is a program shown on ITV (British Indenpendent
TeleVision), in which an aged lady on a global tour said that
she was disappointed and disturbed in India. She indicated that
she read a lot about India before reaching India, which may constribute
something to the disappointment while she was in India. Right
after this, she said she went to China directly from India.
And she seems to be very much impressed of China, and said
that her trip in China was unbelievable.

2. On the other hand, according to the Journal of Asia and Africa
Studies (vol.25, Canada, 1990), India perceives China as her
enemy. However, an India author admited that India had wars
with Pakistan, China, Sri Lanka since 1949. He asserted that
military pressure plus diplomacy would bring security for India.
The example indicated by him was the war between India and Pakistan,
which "successfully" separated one country into two (i.e. Pakistan
and Bangladesh). He said that this war also influenced Bhutan and Nepal,
which brought Bhutan under the control of India through "technological aid",
and neutralized Nepal in-between China and India.

3. I hope that a more open Tibet will not be regarded as an offensive
action from China by India.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: danj1@ihspa.att.com (Dan Jacobson ~{;}5$Da~})
Subject: "participants shall be 45 years old or younger"
Organization: AT&T-BL, Naperville IL, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:11:26 GMT

>>>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:45:58 GMT, aeic@wam.umd.edu (AEIC) said:

AEIC> 2. Forum on High-Tech R&D for Advancement of Econmy ......39
AEIC> From:   J. P. Jiang <JPJIANG@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU>
AEIC> Source: AEIC

AEIC> In order to provide a forum for young scholars and entreprenurs
AEIC> both in China and abroad to exchange information and ideas in
AEIC> the area of High- Tech R&D and technological transfer, Chinese
AEIC> Academy of Sciences will organize a forum from Dec. 15 to Dec.
AEIC> 22, 1992 in Technical Park of the City of Shenzhen.

AEIC> The submission of the paper is sought for the Forum, the scope
AEIC> of the papers is: (1) the means of applying science and
AEIC> technology in the economy; (2) High-Tech development and the
AEIC> reform of traditional enterprise; (3) the functions of research
AEIC> institutes and universities in high-tech industry; and (4) the
AEIC> role of international cooperations of science in the advancement
AEIC> of technical transfer.

AEIC> The official language of the forum is Chinese.  The participants shall
AEIC> be 45 years old or younger.  Those oversea Chinese who are involved in 
AEIC> high-tech industries are particularly invited to submit papers.

It seems quite odd, at least to someone like me who grew up in the
USA, to draw such boundary lines such as "age 45".  Perhaps someone
can post a Mainland China cultural perspective of why this boundary is
necessary.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23564 soc.culture.japan:7122 soc.culture.taiwan:12226
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:02:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Aug21.041003.14973@husc3.harvard.edu> liu10@husc8.harvard.edu (Eric Liu) writes:
>I guess all this can be attributed to who is the victor in such aggressions.
>Yes, China has invaded Korea in the past and have done many many war crimes.
>But in those wars between China and Korea, China has never lost to Korea, or
>at least that is what I learned from the Chinese history book.  See, Japan
>is technically the loser from the WWII, and the loser is supposed to apologize
>for it's war crimes, not the winners.  I am not saying this is right, but
>that's just the matter of fact.  Do you think the U.S. will ever apologize
>to Japan for the A-bombs or to Germany about Dresden bombing?  I don't think
>so.
> 
Arround 1000AD, Sui Dynasty's second emperor organized two invasion
against Korea and was defeated.  The defeats was one of the factor of
the collapse of the short-lifed Sui Dynasty.

There might be people saying that Japan is technically the winner from
the WWII, then there is no force to coerce Japan into appology if power
is the only issue here.

>Also, I believe the regime that invaded Korea has nothing to do with the
>regime that's governing china now.  If by your account, then mongolia has
>to appologize to china for it's war crimes commited hundreds of years ago.
>Those war crimes might be the most atrocious crimes of all time, but don't
>you think it's kind of silly for them to apologize to China?  On the other
>hand, the Japanese government in power right now is the direct descent of
>the Japanese war government, therefore, they have a responsibility to
>apologize.
> 
If PRC is not the direct (although generations later) descendant of
previous Chinese Empires (including Manchurian and Mongolian's Chinese
Empire), what right does PRC have to claim Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, East
Turkistan (Xinjiang [New Frontier]), Tibet, Miao, etc.?  Mongolia does
not claim the territory of early Mongolian Empires but only half of
their Mongolian homeland.  There is a great difference here.

>Just thought I should throw in my 2 cents.  Flames welcomed!
>Eric Liu

Me too.

TY Huang

ps. Debating with Gaijins in SCJ will not result in any meaningful
agreements on Sino-Japanese relations.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:27:17 GMT

>>Also, it is much more expensive to buy a coffin and a tomb in Hong-Kong or
>>Taiwan than in China. The difference might be 10 times or higher, so the
>
>>compensation money. Just for your reference, the average cost of a 
>                                                  ============
>>funeral, including a coffin, tomb, music band, buried stuffs, etc.,
>>in Taiwan may run up to NT. 1,000,000 which is about RMB 200,000,
>               =========                              ============
>>while the average cost in China may only run up to RMB 20,000.
>>they are barely doing the same thing as Chinese.
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
>
>  What do you mean ?  The average cost is around RMB 200,000 ? or
>The cost could run up to RMB 200,000 ?  That's a lot of money, about
> US $35,000. Can AVERAGE dead Taiwaness afford such a lavish funeral?
>
>   BTW, how much average Taiwaness spend on wedding?
>
>Zhongbai You

The average income of a family in Taiwan is about US $30,000 now. So,
spending US $35,000 for a dead person is not too much for a family which
makes averave income, especially, when their loved person died. 
Also, it is one of the Taiwanese culture to spend lots of money for the
dead person, because people believe that 'luxury funeral' is good for the
dead person in the hell. Again, spending US $35,000 on a funeral is far
from luxury in Taiwan's standard. So, to bury a dead Taiwanese needs at 
least US $40,000.

Yi-Chieh