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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Wow! Beatles w/ a decent stereo mix?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:53:29 GMT

You like that stereo mix?  Gee, you might as well go back and listen to
"I Want To Hold Your Hand" from _Meet the Beatles_ instead of _Past Masters_.
Or "You Can't Do That", "She Loves You", and "I'll Get You" from _The Beatles'
Second Album_.  Or "I Feel Fine" & "She's a Woman" on _Beatles '65_.
Or "Ticket To Ride" on the American _Help!_ instead of the British.
Or even better: Listen to Capitol's "stereo" reissue of the United Artists
_A Hard Day's Night_ soundtrack album - it's nothing more than mono that
someone continuously fiddled with the balance control on!

My main complaint about the stereo mix on _Rubber Soul_ is that the vocals
are over in the right channel instead of center.  I have yet to get a
reasonable explanation for why this is.  George Martin remixed it for CD - 
why didn't he do something about this?
Speaking of CD remixing, I think that _Magical Mystery Tour_ was remixed
as well, even though it doesn't say so.  The mixes are a bit different
than on the original stereo EPs.

- Jeff ("No comment." - George Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Sgt. Pepper - digital LP?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:41:22 GMT

Does anyone know if Capitol ever actually issued a digitally remastered LP of
Sgt. Pepper?  I mean, I've got one from just last year that has the CD catalog
number, 46442, but if you look at the run-off grooves, you find the old
number, 2653, scratched out and the new one written in.  So, this is not a
remastering.
But, in <THE BOOK>, Lewisohn mentions that Capitol issued both remastered
cassettes and LP's, both of which had the run-off & inner groove noises from
the original LP.  This one doesn't have that.
If anyone has such a Capitol LP, did they actually cut it into the inner groove
like the British, or did they just play the CD loop and cut it into the
regular record?

- Jeff ("We'll **** you like Supermen!")
From: demes@chopin.udel.edu (Jim Demes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatlefest blows it!
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:11:13 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Dec30.181717.8569@informix.com> lynns@informix.com (Lynn Schneider) writes:
>In article <BzqDtC.298@news.udel.edu> demes@chopin.udel.edu (Jim Demes) writes:
>>The ideal situation would be some kind of computer system where the
>>operators would have direct access to how many of each item were
>>still in stock, so that they could tell the customers.  Unfortunately,
>>neither Mark nor any of his staff (nor the people who setup his
>>computer system) have been able to successfully integrate this
>>feature into the order-entry system.  (They're using Filemaker Pro
>>at the moment for order-entry as well as the customer database.)
>
>Well, I don't know how much money that Mark and Carol can afford to spend
>on a database system, but maybe it's time for them to look into a better
>solution than something like Filemaker Pro. Certainly, if their business
>is limited because of their computer system, it is holding them back!

I saw Mark over the holidays, and he said that he is getting a new system
(or maybe just a new version of Filemaker Pro for his Macs) which will
be able to keep track of the inventory and automatically decrement each
time an order is placed.  This way, his operators will know how many items
are in stock which haven't been sold.  Hopefully, this will help to
eliminate many of these problems in the future.

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From: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Subject: copied message
Reply-To: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:14:05 EST

Another Beatles day in history:

From: UPI                             Read: (N/A)
Subj: Today-in-Music                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: UPI-E-MUSIC (2411)         Read Type: GENERAL (A) (+)

Today-in-Music
UPI-ID:725685490
   -30-
(December 30th)

Birthdays on this day in music include Monkees' vocalist and bassist
Michael Nesmith is 50.  .. fellow Monkee Davy Jones turns 47...
Electric Light Orchestra's singer and guitarist Jeff Lynne is 45...
and Tracey Ullman turns 33.

[Beatle connections all]

   On this date in music history...

   In 1970, Paul McCartney filed suit to dissolve the Beatles'
partnership.

   In 1974, the Beatles' partnership was officially dissolved- four
years to day after Paul McCartney filed suit.

   (Today's pop music quiz: Can you name the Beatle song that spent the
most time at the top of Billboard's Hot-100 pop music chart? Answer:
``Hey Jude,'' which remained in the number-one position for nine weeks
in 1968. The song is considered the Beatles' most successful chart
single.)

   -30-
                                 ---------
                           upi 12-29-92 10:16 pes
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Greatest Hits?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:21:21 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
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In article <BznJnn.2yB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:

>What I'd like to see, really, is like a 5-CD or so box set, with every CD
>close to 80 minutes, of Beatles Greatest Hits, with every track remixed
>for stereo, with the possible exception of _Abbey Road_ tracks.
>I think someone, like George Martin, or Lewisohn, or me for that matter (!),
>should be allowed to go in and remix them all.  The stereo mixes are not
>always that great, but for some reason people think there's something
>sacred about The Beatles and they can't be touched these days.  That's
>insane.  If it were any other group, such a set would've been out years ago.

Of course, such a set was released on vinyl (well, in England at least, and
available here as an import) many moons ago.  Considering EMI's release 
policy, I think we can all be thankful that they have chosen *not* to give
us the shaft again by putting that collection on CD...

<ESC>


-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:25:48 GMT

You mention the "neutered Disney Channel version" of "The Making of Sgt.
Pepper".  Was Disney's version edited as compared with the BBC's?  I've
only seen the Disney one.  How much more is there to the full one?

- Jeff ("Would you stand up and throw tomatoes at me?")
From: lynns@informix.com (Lynn Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatlefest blows it!
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:17:17 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <BzqDtC.298@news.udel.edu> demes@chopin.udel.edu (Jim Demes) writes:
>As a former Beatlefest employee, maybe I can help shed some light on
>the discussion. <stuff deleted> 
>
>The shipping people can't process the orders as fast as they come in
>- the mailbox is overflowing and the phones ring off the hook.  Also,
>the operators do not know how many of each item are in stock at any
>particular time.  When an item is out, someone will tell the operators
>so that they can tell the customers <stuff deleted>
>
>The ideal situation would be some kind of computer system where the
>operators would have direct access to how many of each item were
>still in stock, so that they could tell the customers.  Unfortunately,
>neither Mark nor any of his staff (nor the people who setup his
>computer system) have been able to successfully integrate this
>feature into the order-entry system.  (They're using Filemaker Pro
>at the moment for order-entry as well as the customer database.)
>
>Replies are welcome.


Well, I don't know how much money that Mark and Carol can afford to spend
on a database system, but maybe it's time for them to look into a better
solution than something like Filemaker Pro. Certainly, if their business
is limited because of their computer system, it is holding them back!

The company I work for, as well as our competitors (I'm not a sales person)
make some great products that may not be as costly as Mark and Carol might
think, esp. running on a PC (which is sounds like they have). If you are
still in touch with them, tell them to consider Informix, Oracle, or
Sybase products. They could at least have a free consultation -- it couldn't
hurt!

Just my 2cents. :-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: faciane@huey.met.fsu.edu (Dave Faciane)
Subject: Re: unheard Beatles alternates
Keywords: studio, alternates
Organization: Department of Meteorology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:44:16 GMT

In article <randall.724551344@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall
Rhea) writes: 
>I always wondered where the bootleg material comes from.  The
>various alternate takes on the Yellow Dog CDs sound like they
>came from the master tapes.  Did someone at EMI leak the tapes?
>If so, why didn't they leak all of them, including the various
>ones discussed in the previous article?
>
Much of the YD/URT material comes from the EMI collection of work
tapes from which the final versions of the Beatles' LPs and CDs 
were subsequnetly made. These outtakes are comprised mostly of working
versions of familiar songs, such as the ubiquitous SFF outtakes.
Most of the stuff comes out in dribs and drabs (to keep you buying it,
you see. Those bootleggers are clever). It's not known, for obvious
reasons, who is the source of the illegally-dubbed tapes which find
their way onto the CDs. Perhaps it is a high-ranking EMI employee.

>I know that the bootleg "Get Back" stuff comes from acetate
>and from the unused film soundtrack.  But the other stuff sounds
>too good to be from any other source than the master tape.
>

Most of the Yellow Dog stuff probably comes from an analog dub of 
the master (unless the bootleggers have access at EMI to digital
transfer equipment, in which case they should display "ADD" on the
CD case!), so the material you finally get to hear is perhaps one
or two generations distant from the master (unless it has been handed
down in tape-trading circles for a while, like the "Hodge Podge" stuff
apparently has). That explains the excellent sound quality you hear.
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From: bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S. Kazmierczak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sick cookie
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:21:19 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BzGMEC.8yI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Me!! Ted.) writes:
>	Anybody watch Chapman last night on Larry King?  What
>a sick cookie.  

Didn't see it.

>	He sat there calmly and described the murder in great detail
>as if he had read it from a novel.  I don't have any sympathy for
>a man or woman who can coldly murder someone, especially pumping
>lead into them when their back is turned, and blame it all on
>some book!  What a load of crap!  To make matters worse, it just 
>adds to those damn PTA parents who want to ban most classics!

I think someone commented on the fact that he did not blame it on a book.
I don't want to defend the man, but sitting in prison for 12 years and
thinking about what you did over and over, I think it would be quite 
easy to describe it like it was from a book.

I don't know that I have any SYMPATHY for the man, but..

>	Chapman is a sickie.  I wouldn't think twice or be saddened
>in any form if the man came to a worse fate.  Maybe it is just that
>I feel like he shattered the music world and took from all of us
>not only John Lennon, but all hopes of the fab four living and singing
>well into their 60's and 70's.

This attitude sickens me a bit, also. Why care if the music is gone. Why
care if there was a Beatles reunion? This man took the LIFE of another
human being. That bothers me the most. If John Lennon had said he was never
going to write another song and never get together for a Fab reunion, would
you think HIM a sickie? Would you hate John Lennon then?

>-trwagner@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu   &    trwagner@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu-

Just something to think about...

Brian


(Please, before you start ragging on me, I am not condoning what this man
 did. I don't believe in taking the life of another human being the way this
 man did.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Subject: another cover...
Reply-To: "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:13:54 EST

While on the subject of Beatle cover tunes:

My favourite is Piggies by Theodore Bickel.

What is your favourite Beatle cover?

>>>=====Headly=Westerfield===>
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: Lennon list
Keywords: John
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:09:33 GMT

Huh?
What exactly do you mean by a "Lennon List"?  Do you mean a discography -
a list of all the records he's released?  Or do you want unreleased stuff,
or stuff somebody's selling, or what is it you want?

- Jeff ("The underground and overjoyed, they come on just the same.")
From: bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: another cover...
Date: 2 Jan 93 08:42:27 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

My vote for the oddest fun beatles cover is Carol O'Conner and
Jean Stapleton in character as Archie and Edith Bunker from
All in the Family doing When I'm 64. (as part of a medly)

Brian
From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sgt. Pepp. Father
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:15:37 GMT
 <1992Dec28.224657.13741@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b3@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Dec28.224657.13741@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:

> The Three Wize Men       - Sgt Pepper
> 
> Wet Wet Wet              - Little Help from my friends
> 
> The Christians           - Lucy in the Sky
> 
> The Wedding Present      - Getting Better
> 
> Hue & Cry                - Fixing a Hole
> 
> Billy Bragg & Cara Tivey - Mr Kite
> 
> Sonic Youth              - Within YOu Without You
> 
> Courtney Pine            - When I'm 64
> 
> Michelle Shocked         - Lovely Rita
> 
> The Triffids             - Good Morning
> 
> The Three Wize Men       - Sgt Pepper (reprise)
> 
> The Fall                 - Day in the Life

Did you forget "She's Leaving Home" or did no one want to touch it?

David
david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
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From: cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: other strange things
Date: 31 Dec 1992 12:23:57 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <Bzuv9x.CKH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:
>Speaking of strange things in Beatles records, what about the 15KHz tone
>at the end of _Pepper_?  I keep hearing that it's supposed to be above
>the range of human hearing, and was put there for only dogs to hear.
>Well, last I checked, human hearing range is generally accepted to be
>20Hz-20KHz, so 15KHz IS in that range.  I hear the tone myself, both on
>the CD and the original LP.  Do most people hear it, or am I the only one?
>Why do they keep saying it can't be heard by humans?

Not everybody has hearing that reaches that high. Young children and women
hear high frequency sounds better, in fact the effect of a powerful 20khz tone
as used in antidog/person units can cause quite severe discomfort. Most people
upwards of about 30 years, i believe, cannot hear 20khz very well, the top
end tends to disappear with age. I hear the tone quite clearly, I can also
(just) hear 19khz, but after that its a bit dodgy.

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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: Sgt. Pepp. Father
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:31:26 GMT

David T. Greenfield (David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu) wrote:
: 
: Did you forget "She's Leaving Home" or did no one want to touch it?
: 
: David
: david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu


Sorry, typing error on my part...

Billy Bragg & Cara Tivey		She's Leaving Home

Frank Sidebottom			Mr Kite

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
  JANET        : S.Carter@uk.ac.sussex.central
"Nothing is Beatle Proof!"


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From: dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Paul's upcoming tour...
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:25:23 GMT


Has anyone heard the dates or the ticket sale dates for Paul's
upcoming tour in Spring of 1993?

Post confirmed information please!

Thanks...!
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: faciane@huey.met.fsu.edu (Dave Faciane)
Subject: Re: Really bizarre GET BACK take
Keywords: old yeller dog, get back
Organization: Department of Meteorology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:27:18 GMT

In article <randall.724549833@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall
Rhea) writes: 
>barash@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Steven Barash; MATH (GRAD)) writes:
>
>
>>I recently rediscovered a profoundly weird take I have of the Beatles doing 
>>the song Get Back, and I wonder if any of you RMBers have heard it
>>or can tell me anything about it.  
>
>This is one of the "recordings" (I use the term loosely) from
>the film sessions at Twickenham in January 1969.   There are reels and
>reels of material from these rehearsals, much of which has shown up
>on bootlegs for about 20 years.  The most recent one I saw was a
>3-CD collection from the Blue Kangaroo bootleg label.  There is also
>a 6-CD collection and many other bootlegs.   Most of the material is
>terribly performed and of low technical quality.  That is no
>criticism of the Beatles- it was all rehearsal stuff anyway.  None of it
>was properly recorded, as Lewisohn points out.  Don't waste your
>money on them.
>

That's kind of harsh, I think. There's some wonderful material on
these so-called "terrible" rehearsal tapes. In fact, the unreleased
Martin-produced "Get Back" acetate was assembled from some of this
stuff. Granted there are more than a few "dogs" to be found in these
sessions (I never liked the song "Teddy Boy"), but there are lots of
gems to be mined by new bootleg collectors, such as the "fast version"
of Get Back with Lennon on vocal, or the "I've Got a Feeling" with
the hilarious false start ("I'm so ashamed...I goofed again") or
the famous "News Report" featuring Macca reading about the
"inevitable" break-up of the Beatles in the newspaper.

OK if you're after pristine alternate takes in master quality, go
for the UM/URT stuff. But don't dismiss these recordings solely for
*that* reason alone.
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: unheard Beatles alternates
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:56:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.150017.19650@sarah.albany.edu> pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
>  Recently I acquired two CD's from Unsurpassed Masters series #4 and #5.
>It cost me quite a lot and I have mixed fillings.  Some stuff is great,
>but many takes hardly differ from the known (official ?) versions
> - mainly by the lower quality.
Well, if you were looking for other takes rather than other mixes, you didn't
really pick the right Yellow Dogs.  A lot of times, the later stuff will only
be different mixes rather than earlier takes, probably because earlier takes
at this stage would only be a few instruments and no vocals.  I guess YD
thinks this would be less attractive to buyers.  I myself would love to
hear such things, though.  But check out Unsurpassed 1-3 & 6-7 - there's lots
of alternate takes on those.
>I'd rather know in advance what is the content of particular CD.
Luckily, the store I go to lets you listen to them in advance to know what's
on them.  You may want to ask if you can do this.
>  Can anybody post the list of songs/takes from other bootlegs ?
Well, most of the YDs tell you what takes they are if they are different,
and they're normally correct.  If you don't have <THE BOOK> (_The Beatles
Recording Sessions_ by Mark Lewisohn), you should get that.  Then you will
know what takes can possibly be out there.  Also, _The Ultimate Recording
Guide_ by Allen J. Wiener would maybe be useful, but it is quite incomplete.
I could post a list of stuff I know about, but not right at the moment.
Or, you can always e-mail one of us or post on here to find out what someone
knows about a particular bootleg.

- Jeff ("Not guilty, of leading you astray..." - George)