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From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:38:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.033958.19746@wixer.cactus.org> wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato) writes:
>
>
>
>
>Does anyone know if the eteeemed William Gibson is on the net?  (I'm
>sure he is, but it remains to be seen WHERE.)  I have a question
>or two to ask him.
>
>

Well I'd say read that FAQ but then I could be accused of tooting my horn so I
won't say it. Why don't you post your questions here and we'll answer or forward
them 8>



>john
>
>-- 
>John P Onorato             |   "Softness without strength is weakness.
>wizard@wixer.cactus.org    |    Strength without softness is meanness."
>cactus.org!wixer!wizard    |             -- Mahatma Gandhi


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: furiop@jec313.its.rpi.edu (Paul Joseph Furio)
Subject: Re: OMNI and Cyberpunk Article
Reply-To: furiop@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:26:22 GMT

But then, who would seriously print an article that states: " These cyberpunks are the people to Hire for the future.  They will be the leaders and shakers and movers and wonder makers of the world we're entering into.  These will be the Fords and Einsteins of Tomorrow."  No one.  Everyone KNOWS that kids on computers are nothing but trouble and that they should be feared and stopped and locked up somewhere before they do real damage and we should let the spreadsheet programmers run the computers like they

 always have and not let the common people understand these machines that are very complex and only for an elite few.
	(Note: MUCH sarcasm)
-Paul J. Furio
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Wanted: Essays/etc. on sexism in Cyberpunk
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:36:26 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
> Could anyone please tell me where I could find/get 
> essays/articles/papers on sexism in cyberpunk?  I have a feminist 
> friend who always calls me a sexist pig because I happened to have 
> read a few cyberpunk books.

does she give an reasons -why- she considers cyberpunk to be
sexist? has she read any herself? some of the most powerful
characters in cyberpunk happen to be women. if she can't document
reasons for her opinion then it's probably another case of rabid
feminism & you are under no obligation to "prove" your point.
(you won't be able to anyway, it's not like that sort ever listens
to reason.)

jason

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From: mcsdc1jy@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: INFO ON CYBERPUNK!
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:33:34 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

I am most interested in any one who has some information on cyberpunk role play
games (or any which are future based).

           If any one can help please get in touch with me.

                  THANX!
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:12:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <aDNwTB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> aarnold@cyberden.uucp writes:
>Actually, Wm. Gibson is on the Internet, as I've heard from somewhere. 

	You've heard wrong.  Gibson is not on the Internet or any other
nets, conferencing systems, or BBSs.  

	
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:33:13 GMT

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:

>In <BxH6pH.35p@cda.mrs.umn.edu> carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773) writes:
>>Let's ignore the established church and look at the character of jesus.
[rants deleted]

>Please try to seperate traditional church teachings of what Christ
>taught from what it is likely that he actually taught (if you bother
>to read the New Testament, and even that is suspect).

Still another who accepts the default that whatizname existed...

	-Mike

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From: cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:19:04 GMT

st1vr@jane.uh.edu (cl.rich) writes:
>> 
>>P.S. If you would like to flame me or talk at more length send me e-mail. 
>> 
>>PPS  the passage used in paragraph one is found in John 11. The verses quoted
>>are 35 and 36. 

>Chip.  There are a great variety of other groups that you will find most
>certainly much more welcome to your grand proclamations of The Truth.  I'm
>not against you, yet I question your tact.  Let's not turn alt.industrial into
>alt.praise.jesus.

>cl.rich

I think you missed the point...Ok so I believe that Jesus is the son of God,
but that is not my post. My post was just saying that the arguements I heard
(read) against Jesus, won't hold water.  Why?  because the book being quoted
to show that Jesus is (in the case of most posts) was being misquoted.  Now
I didn't think it was fair to you as intellectual humans to let go on
misquoteing.  You might have a very good reason to reject God, but we'll never
know if you say things that are inaccurate.  Now, I am not assurting that
the bible is true, the previous posters were by quoting it as a reason for 
there rejection of the gospel.  I do believe it is true and If you would like 
to know why then email me, but don't be uninformed about the book the previous
posters used.

chip
aka Virtual Benedicta
.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ghost@next12csc.wam.umd.edu (.)
Subject: Re: Casting for Neuromancer
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:50:51 GMT

In article <BwD6Mv.6t6@newcastle.ac.uk> H.S.Doyle@newcastle.ac.uk (H.S.  
Doyle) writes:
> 
> How about Michael Beihn (sp?) (off Terminator) for Case? He seem to have  
the
> right blend of street-toughness and imperfections, although maybe he's a  
bit old
> by now.
> Molly: yeah, Tia Carrera would be good. Grace Jones is a bit too  
blatantly tough
> for the role I think.
> Armitage: Arnie minus the accent would work if he wasn't so famous. I  
think he'd
> overshadow the movie though. Someone suggested Paul Newman earlier on, I  
reckon
> that would work.
> Who should play Riviera though?

i would love to see a non-hollow-wood ized version of Neuromancer....
preferably get ridley scott to do it....then it would probably have
the look and feel (like Bladerunner) the graphic novel....which IMHO

did the novel justice...

BTW..slightly out of this newsgroup but does anyone remember if there
was ever a Volume 2 or 3 to the graphic novel ?
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From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex.stories.d,alt.industrial,alt.sex
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:54:25 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <BxIIJ0.9xJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Virtual Benedicta) writes:
>s14258bc@UMASSD.EDU writes:

>
>Don't forget that the church were the ones who cultivated and protected art
>and literature during the middle ages...humm. interesting point.
>
>Virtual Benedicta

And the Vatican was often run as a combination of brothel/war strategies board.

The first (and only I believe) English Pope (Nicolas maybe?) used to hold
contests at vatican dinners...The person who could copulate the most times in
one evening with the serving wenches (prostitues hired from surrounding areas)
would win a cash prize...The "Holy Father" was a vigorous participant.

And the Crusades were not just some high minded attempt to save the Holy Land
from the infidel troops of Islam...The Vatican needed the lucrative trade
routes to Asia Minor re-opened...hummm...

Anyone need an Indulgence?  Don't forget that the church sold "salvation" to
build St. Peter's Basillica...

My $.02...sorry to intrude with some church history to a.s.s.d.

Later.
-justin


>
From: Denise.Turner@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Denise Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: ALIEN CAT
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 01:16:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/160 - Hacker's Haven, Clearwater FL

You just haven't met the right cats! I have 5 of them and only one is at all aloof, and thats just because she was abandoned as a kitten,so she's scared. I have a dog,too, and it and the cats are all friends, they think they are all the same kind of animal. I don'tknow why people think cats are aloof, I think its a stereotype, like male penile size being related to race, or blondes being dumb. Cats are like people(and dogs) they all have their own personality, some are aloof, somefriendly, some mean and so

me nice.  Don't hate them all just cos the ones you've met aren't overly friendly--someday you might meet a cat that you really like, and you'll be too embarrassed to say so cos you hated cats allyer life;-) I Love Cats!
                                          Catwoman


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From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: NEWSPORN
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:14:31 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris


cybercrud!  Stop it!  

+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+Joel Carlson				|  History, read it and weep!
carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu            	| 
University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
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From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:41:20 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:

>The more I look at people's postings about the problems of the world in our
>Industrial Society, I keep thinking, perhaps we have forgotten the
>techings of Jesus.  We must recognize Jesus as our true savior as always
>to lead us into the divine light of revelation.  Yet what do you people 
>practice: Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency.  Jesus can show you all your
>true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly
>with each other in industry.

>If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>them do unto you", there would be no problems in society.
>-Sgreever
>E-mail me at sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu

If *YOU* followed the golden rule, *YOU* would not have posted this
anywhere besides a religious newsgroup.  I'm sure you would not have liked
it if someone had posted a message on a religious newsgroup saying that
you people would be less uptight if you... (read cyberpunk novels;listened
to industrial music; got laid; got tied up and laid), now would you?!

Doesn't the golden rule include abiding by guidelines.  Like the USENET
guidelines which specifically mention this type of [expletive deleted]!

You complete F@#$ing hypocrite!
-- 
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From: v067rcyf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer Casting
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9210271810.21@ve6bc.uucp>, doug@ve6bc.uucp (Douglas MacKintosh) writes...
>How about James Woods playing Case? If you are not familiar with Woods' work,
>check out the vids _Best Seller_, _Videodrome_, and others...
> 
i personally love james woods and his acting style
but case is a young man, and james isn't
plus james looks too wise

why not ricky schroeder?
or maybe gary coleman?

does anybody think keanu reeves could play case?
and for molly, somebody like whats-her-face from T2
armitage could possibly be a meaner brian dennehy
   or leeland of twin peaks fame
as for the finn, perhaps you can stick james woods there

                                  -----------aardvark


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> __/ ____. . _,         <------    what the hell is that, anyway?
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex.stories.d,alt.industrial,alt.sex
From: cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Virtual Benedicta)
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:11:23 GMT

s14258bc@UMASSD.EDU writes:

>In article <YezhlG_00WB9Ahk99s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>(about the Bible and sex)
>>because it's an outdated, contradictory, and highly restrictive document?
>>if all we did was what the bible said we wouldn't have gone beyond the
>>middle ages

>Good point, but I think a better forum for this discussion would be
>a religion news server, not a.s.s.d.

Don't forget that the church were the ones who cultivated and protected art
and literature during the middle ages...humm. interesting point.

Virtual Benedicta
From:  (Spike)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:54:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: GE Power Generation

In article <1992Nov4.033958.19746@wixer.cactus.org>,
wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato) wrote:

> Does anyone know if the eteeemed William Gibson is on the net?  (I'm
> sure he is, but it remains to be seen WHERE.)  I have a question
> or two to ask him.

No, actually, I don't think he is.  According to an article I read last
year in People magazine,
he's actually computer illiterate.  Wrote Neuromancer on a damn Selectric
or somesuch.

Spike (Not Jones)
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From: st1vr@jane.uh.edu (cl.rich)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:47:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxKIrq.G9u@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard) writes...
> I think some of you who have posted have misconceptions of the bible and Jesus
> but then It might be just me.  Jesus was capable of love, we are not.<my opinion>  Why do you think so many marriages fail because we don't understand love.
> Perhaps you have heard of the the shortest verse in the Bible, "Jesus wept."  
> Wow, he shows grief when his friend dies, intresting, it would seem that he
> felt some sort of friendship and love toward his friend (Lazarus).  The 
> following verse is "Then the Jews said, 'See how he loved him!'"  Now don't 
> forget that the jews generally were skeptical of Jesus and therefore this    
> statement is signifigant. 
> 
>I am not going to force my beliefs on you it isn't fair to you as humans.  BUT
>I do want yo to informed and intellectually honest with youselves.  If you 
>spout off half truths of the Bible as percieved through your own rosey glasses
>then you are and idiot <of course the great thing about america is that even
>idiots can speak),  I am not calling you an idiot, I don't know you, and you
>can be a good judge of that.  So don't try to argue with half a weapon that
>you don't understand.
> 
>chip fay
> 
>###############################################################################
>Chip Fay                                    In a dream, in a vision of the
>cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         **        night, when deep sleep falls on men
>				******      as they slumber in their beds, he 
>				******      may speak in their ears and terrify
>			          **	    them with warnings, to turn man 
>			          **	    from wrongdoing and keep him from
>					    pride.       Job 33:15-17
>###############################################################################
> 
>P.S. If you would like to flame me or talk at more length send me e-mail. 
> 
>PPS  the passage used in paragraph one is found in John 11. The verses quoted
>are 35 and 36. 

Chip.  There are a great variety of other groups that you will find most
certainly much more welcome to your grand proclamations of The Truth.  I'm
not against you, yet I question your tact.  Let's not turn alt.industrial into
alt.praise.jesus.

cl.rich
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From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:47:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard) says:

> I think some of you who have posted have misconceptions of the bible and Jesus
> but then It might be just me.  Jesus was capable of love, we are not.
><my opinion>  Why do you think so many marriages fail because we don't 
>understand love.
	Ahem. I would like to interject a few small, simple little comments
	on this.
	Marriage in the 'old days' was primarily an economic arrangement.
	Divorce didn't occur back then for a number of reasons - it was
	illegal, women were considered 'used merchandise' and treated
	as social lepers even if they didn't initiate any sort of separation,
	and the women were unlikely to be able to support themselves 
	finanacially.
	These days, divorce *is* legal, it's not so much of a problem within
	society to be single, women are more likely to be able to support
	themselves financially in case of a divorce or separation.
	It wasn't until recently, as things go, that love became a viable
	reason to get married.
	Therefore, your claim that more marriages 'fail' these days because
	we don't understand love is not, in my opinion, a truly supportable
	claim.

hth

Kitten
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Do you like the way it moves?
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: William Gibson
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:13:05 GMT

wizard@wixer.cactus.org (John P Onorato) writes:
>>
>well, actually, I would read the FAQ if ti was available; I guess the next 
>time it gets posted I shall.  Anyway, all I really wanted to ask him is 
>if I could use the name 'Ono-Sendai' in a story I'm writing....  but who 
>the hell kjnows where that's going; perhaps I should just worry about it
>when I get to that point.  

I believe (and I may be wrong) that ono-sendai is Tom Maddox's, I 
understand that Tom gave permission to WG to use some of his names.
Correct me if I am wrong please.
Mr Maddox is on the net.

|-|()()|<
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:45:16 GMT

dan@conexch.uucp (Dan Mahoney) writes:

|Question - Why is this thread in this newsgroup?

Which newsgroup?  You posted your article to four....  ;)

Perhaps it's in these newsgroups because someone posted the original
article to these newsgroups.
--
Bigotry is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado and Tampa.

Michael Adams (StarOwl@uiuc.edu, wi.4962@n7kbt.rain.com)	
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From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:57:15 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <k34XTB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>, wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
> mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik) writes:
> 
>> ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner) writes:
>> 
>> >In article <1992Nov1.190741.18602@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pkasiako@nyx.cs.du.ed
>> >>(much multilevel quotes deleated)...
>> >>
>> >>Look, honey, you know what your problem is is you don't UNDERSTAND the
>> >>history of female oppression handed down by none other than MEN.
>> 
>> >I see, all men oppress all women always.  Somewhat simplistic, don't
>> >you think?
>> 
>> Seems like everyone's trying to make themselves feel smart'n'hip by
>> writing snappy comebacks to this woman's complaints. Maybe we'd like
>> to ignore the idea that women and men communicate in somewhat different
>> ways. It's probably not literally true that ALL MEN oppress ALL WOMEN
>> ALL THE TIME, but is does seem reasonable to suggest that indeed MANY
>> men have oppressed MANY woman thru a good deal of recorded history. The
>> sexism of the hip young man of to-day isn't as blatant, but it *is* in
>> our language, and it may take a very very long time before it can be
>> eradicated.

   To which Bill says:

> The snappy comebacks are just as automatic and programmed as the initial 
> outburst of pain and anger. Zero sum, and just another expression of the 
> anguish imprinted into our brains and bodies by a master/slave culture.
>
> Of course, in a sense, the comebackers are just as 'innocent' as the 
> first angry speaker, and the angry woman is just as guilty as the 
> comebackers of kneejerk generalized bigotry.

   Hmm.  I suppose you can take that view of things, but I'd 
differentiate a little more.
   I think that the woman who posted originally was rightful in her anger. 
Read history.  Not much you can say to it.  And we are part of it, Bill 
and Mike and I, much as we'd like not to.  Power and privilege and all 
that.
   So I don't feel like any of us are in the moral position to say "oh, 
you shouldn't be so angry" to her.  That's what Marilyn Frye called 
circumvention of anger, and it only frustrates the angry person more.  
Anger's got a social function, according to Frye, but it only works when 
the anger is "taken up" (responded to, not deflected or put aside).  To 
Frye's rule I would add another: anger only serves its function when it is 
taken up and when it is *correctly directed*.  The misogynist had better 
stop being angry at women and direct his anger where it really should go, 
to the men and the society that has warped him.  And perhaps this woman, 
by being so universal in her indictment (none of us care?), has directed 
her anger against some of us who would help, as much as we're able to.  
Other than that, all the men who've been giving this woman shit really 
should take a listen, and hear the reality of this person's pain.


   --Jesse.
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