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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:19:53 GMT

In article <28842.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>
> In reality, you have a helluva lot more to worry about than just
>bumping your head.  Statistically, legs are in a lot more danger.  The
>head is also a fairly tough item, as has been graphically demonstrated
>...
> You are undoubtedly better off wearing a helmet, but the fervor of

Either you have no idea what head injuries can do to a person, or you
would really like to mislead people into thinking that a helmets are nice,
but not important (it may not be what you meant, but it's what comes across).

You can smash up your legs pretty bad before it comes to never walking again.
I saw a show on teenagers with head injuries (incurred during various 
activities, mostly bicycle accidents), and all of them were in wheelchairs,
some with no hope of ever taking a step. Their legs were fine, they just 
couldn't control them. One of them could not keep track of time, or even 
the order in which events occured. Another could understand people, but 
needed someone to suggest words to him so that he could talk (he could not 
access his vocabulary properly). These people could not function normally,
not because the nature of their accidents was so severe, but that they were
unlucky enough to get hurt in the wrong body part. Your brain is encased in
a some big bones, and for good reason, but when it comes up against pavement
or a car bumper or a mailbox, it is by no means tough.

Head injuries are no joke, and dismissing them is doing a great
disservice to those who need just one more excuse not to wear a helmet.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:09:10 GMT

In article <BxvKzz.2n1@apollo.hp.com> brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady) writes:
>
>So here is your essay question -- what would you ride on a 10,000 mile trip?
>Pencils up... and begin.
>

My R90S did fine for a 6,000 mile trip. Fine on interstate drones, fun in
the twisties, and a pretty good dirt bike. I'd also consider a Moto Guzzi.
Ability to navigate rather nasty dirt and gravel roads is, for me, a prime
consideration. It allows me to get away from the Winnebagos and such to 
set up camp for the night.

Jeff Achenbach
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: British rides
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:33:23 GMT
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Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@east.sun.com) wrote:
: In article 40937@sdcc12.ucsd.edu, mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe) writes:
: >In article <1drdatINNfh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
: >ed, ed, ed.  you are projecting in a most seriously disturbing way here.
: >Let me remind you that if both partners are minors, the statutory rape
: >laws are silent. 
: 
: mike, mike, mike.  you don't know what you are talking about.  Let me
: assure you that statutory rape laws concern the age of the female
: only.

Guys, guys, guys.  It depends on the state (of the Union) you are in.  In at
least one that I know of (Va.) the issue of statutory rape involves the age
of the male.  If I remember correctly the underage female has to be at least
two years younger than an underage male for the statutory rape charge to apply.
I think it might even apply the other way around, but I'm not sure.  i.e. you
can charge a female with statutory rape of a male.
   This is pretty hazy in my memory because I read it in the newspaper sometime
and it has been a while.  I am very sure about the 2 year difference part.
--

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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* DoD #496  Bikes past and present: CB175, CB550F, Norton 750, CB350F, XV535  *
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From: clayb@county.lmt.mn.org (Clay Babcock)
Subject: Re: Solution to toll booth troubles
Keywords: Q-free system
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:04:48 GMT

In article <4268@cvbnetPrime.COM> rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
>Subject: Re: Solution to toll booth troubles
>Keywords: Q-free system
>Date: 10 Nov 92 20:26:51 GMT

>|In article <daved.721342825@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>|>Anybody thought of the obvious violation of privacy related to computerized
>|>toll systems:
>|>
>|>Take a picture of the driver
>|>subtract exit time from entry time, divide into miles traveled.
>|>If average speed exceeds limit compare electronically stored picture of
>|>    driver to electronically stored picture of the toll account owner.
>|>
>|>If they match up send speeding ticket to home address.
>|>
>|>This is to scary to imagine.

>I know of a couple of people that this has actually been done to via the 
>manual, but attentive ticket taker in toll.booth.misc - some REALLY attentive
>DICKS actually perform the above and notify a state cop who just conveniently
>is standing by.  YOU just handed your speeding violation to a witness...

>Don't ask me how this holds up in court but it has been done before 8-(.


>Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
>1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
>"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
> us from the evil men do in the name of good"


This is COMMON practice on the AutoStrada in Italy.  Your last toll pass has
the time you came through it in it.  Too soon to the next, and you're 
busted!

It is very common to see lead footed drivers (2 and 4 wheel) parked on the
side on the route waiting for their average time to come down!

Clay Babcock
clayb@county.lmt.mn.org
From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Going to Japan, Need Suggestions.
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:35:28 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc.
X-Xxdate: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:34:56 GMT
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In article <BxyzEo.Dnz@mail.boi.hp.com> Edward Walsh, edw@boi.hp.com
writes:
>This trip promises to be very full of work, but I think it would be
>exciting to say I went riding in Japan. I'd be happy to try to meet any
DoD'ers
>over there.
>Oh, I picked up an international driving permit with a motorcycle
endorsement
>:-) .

I remember reading in some rag about a group of riders who ride near Mt.
Fuji.  They have full race bikes and just go totally balls out.  I think
there's even a magazine dedicated to this called "Road Burn".  You might
want to check it out.

Have fun over there!

- Mark

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:25:01 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <moseley.122.0@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>
>The fact is that in states without helmet laws, 50% of motorcyclists NEVER
>wear helmets. This makes me question the assumption that these Human Beings
>are capable of making informed judgements on the issue. Not that I'm in
>favor of helmet laws ...
>
But that also means that 50% choose to wear helmets without being told.

-- 
Chas                         DoD #7769

"Oh, how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Kaw 750 Turbo parts for sale
From: Willie Sanchez <PCZBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 09:53:18 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have had my second 750 Turbo stolen in 4 years.  I am putting up for
sale all the parts from my spare parts bike (another '84 Turbo).  The parts
include:

All plastic parts (upper fairing, lower fairing, side covers, etc.)
Computer (2)
Turbo (needs oil seals replaced)
Fuel injection system
Igniter (2)
Gas tank (with or without led display)
Tach/Speedo/Boost instrumentation cluster
Ignition warning light assembly
Seat
Helmet lock/Seat lock w/ 2 keys (brand new)
EBC front/rear brake pads (new, fits many applications)
Front/Rear Rim (red)
Front/Rear brake assemblies
Brake master cylinder (2)
Rear stop light assembly
Fuse box

This is just a sampling, if you have a GPz 750 or its Turbo equiv, just
drop me a line and tell me what you need, if I can get it off the bike we can
talk.  Most parts from this bike will fit GPz 750 non-turbo.

Terms:

I will look up part on fiche and sell it for 50% of its list price or less
depending on condition of part.  You send me money order or bank check to cover
part and 1/2 shipping.  If you are not satisfied with part I will refund your
money upon return of part minus shipping.

If you live in New York metro area, and you want to pick up bike, I will sell
the complete bike, frame and all for $300 cash.  Bike has at least three time
that much in parts (based on Kaw list prices).
-------
------------------------------
Willie Sanchez  (PCZBH@CUNYVM)
City University of New York
Management Information Systems
555 West 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
(212) 541-0309
From: alexb@sybase.com (Alex Burmester)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: NOJ QUIETRIDER,  Anyone have one?
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:46:02 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


	I remember some talk about this device a while back,  If you happen to
have roadtested/own one of these could you send me an email.  In particular,
Does it work, Could I make my own, etc...
--
Polution reducing .sig  alexb@sybase.com   92SecaII   Drink Yimmer! :*)  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.200105.12133@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.033924.25567@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:

>  Really.  Are you really this stupid?
>
>  OK, do this for me.  Put your helmet on and without turning your *head*,

 (lots of almost right rationalizations why not to wear a helmet deleted)

Then you should tell the Air Force that their pilots need their peripheral
vision and must redesign their helmets.

A relative of mine is a civilian researcher in charge of human factors
research projects for the Air Force and I had the opportunity to talk at
length with him about Situational Awareness (SA) and the means that humans
use to gather data to produce good SA.  The findings of repeated tests
using a special helmet that senses eye position and therefore the point of 
focus, and playing with the field of view available to the pilots, led to
some significant conclusions.

Good SA depends more on the quantity of information gathered, which comes
almost exclusively from the 5 degreee locus around the point of focus, with
almost none of it coming from the region that is normally called 'peripheral
vision'.

Since it is very difficult to focus on a point very far from the center of 
the field of view (in front of the head: try to focus on something in the 
'peripheral vision' region) this part of your vision is not as important as
one simple concept: scan.  Moving the focus of vision is the primary method
for gathering information on the environment, and if you rely on peripheral
vision to warn you of danger then you are not scanning your environment
enough.

You did not even mention one of the major benefits of helmets: protection from
flying dust particles (yes, on my fully faired Wing it is a problem) or just
the wind itself.  On any bike, there is enough turbulence even in a relatively
calm pocket to cause reduction of visual acuity when you do not wear goggles 
or a full face helmet.

Almost all of the information gathered is in front of your face: you move
your head to accomodate the need to gather data that is not in front of the 
bike.  The usefulness of moving your eyes lies in the fact that you can move
your eyes much faster than you can move your head.  This is not to say that
peripheral vision has no importance at all, just to say that there are better
things to worry about.  Like scanning, and looking far enough ahead to not
have to worry about hazards occurring too fast to avoid.

I assume that you are travelling at psuedo-legal speeds and not at DoD-nominal
which appears to be somewhere between 100 and 150 mph.  If you are foolish 
enough to ride at over 150 feet per second then no amount of peripheral
vision will help you.

CP Tomes



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:46:41 GMT

In article <1edp07INN8l1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 7211@spdc.ti.com, crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>
>>I even discovered that throttle steering on gravel roads works 
>>quite well -- I once tossed another street bike trying this.
>
>Throttle steering?
>
>Sure, on a bike with a sidecar, but on a motorcycle?
>
>Enlighten me.
  When you turn a bike on a loose surface, the front tire pushes out
a certain amount.  The trick is to regulate the amount of 'push'
(slippage) of the rear tire with throttle.  'A little more throttle'
steers to the inside of the turn, 'a little less throttle' straightens
things up.  Chopping the power suddenly spills the bike or high - sides
it, depending on available traction.  I feel *safer* turning this way
on loose surfaces -- but that may come from the years of dirt biking
in my youth.  My theory is that this works well for bikes that have
smooth power curves and neutral weight distributions (such as my beemer)
where throttle input would be the dominant factor.  If the bike is
otherwise, other factors might dominate (this is much harder to do
with a GS1100E, for instance).  
  You're not alone Ed.  Most folks think I'm crazy when I talk about
this.  But blasting down forest service roads with a load of camping
gear on a street bike is just one of those things that puts a smile
on my face.  What the hell?  I always cary tweezers and needle nose
pliers in the road rash kit to pick out gravel.  

Mark Crowder                                            crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
|Disclaimer:  The advice/comments |"Dear Lord, give me chastity and self- |
|expressed above may occasionally |restraint ... but not yet, O Lord, not |
|be worth what you paid for them. |yet!"   -- St Augustine, A.D. 354-430  |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:13:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.225846.22950@rp.CSIRO.AU> pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:
>jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>> Nick, the British biker who works for a Canadian company writes:
>> >If you can't tell the difference between pounds avoirdupoi and pounds sterling
>>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^s
>> Second, I can spell in the Queen's English better than you can (despite the
>> silly pronouciation)!
>
>avoirdupois? C'est un mot francais, pas anglais, n'est-ce pas?
>(Or at least with very french origins)

En effet, mais ce n'est pas grave... un instant.. ah, zut... sorry about 
that. Nobody ever said that English was original, just a lot of creative 
borrowing.  Just ask the Queen :-).

P.S. Nick, M'lud, I can't mail to you. BNR in Ottawa doesn't know who you are,
which is what is in your reply path, and using datasbld@bnr.uk doesn't
work either.

Salut!

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.165638.8726@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>continues in the same line. If you're an observer moving with the bike,
>it feels like the bike's rotation in the plane of the lean is about the
>centre of mass.
>
>Try this at home. Go around potholes with your wheels, but straight over them
>with your body.

so try and answer my question, like why do the wheels stay in contact with the
ground if the bike rotates about the center of mass?

CP Tomes
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:09:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: rd.1992Nov16.150907.13208
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

In article <1992Nov15.153442.14256@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>In article <6a#@byu.edu>, bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu (Dan Canfield) writes:
>
>|> Actually your exactly right, the problem with the 2-stroke and the epa is
>|> the unburned fuel in the exhaust at any speed which contributes to terrible
>|> emmisions.
>
>Is there room on a bike for a small after-burner? Mazda
>used one to reduce emissions on their early rotary imports....

Now *that* would be neat. I could just see myself running by my parents'
with flames coming out of the the RZ's exhaust. My dad would be so proud....

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.001059.7670@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>In article 3330@cs.hw.ac.uk, geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang) writes:
>|But why on earth would anyone *NOT* wear a helmet. 
>
>  Something to do with extremely low speeds, and the fact that helmets DO
>limit your vision and hearing at those speeds.  Some of us like to avoid an
>accident in the first place, ya know.  If I know for sure that I am going to
>hit the ground with my head, then yes, I DO want a helmet on!  However, I'd
>like to avoid the whole thing altogether.
>
>  Since most places around here require speeds in excess of 40 mph to safely
>be part of the traffic, I always wear a helmet.  However, I *know*, from
>riding for ten years with and without helmets, that your awareness of your
>surroundings at low speeds is greatly increased *without* a helmet.
>
Oh horse shit!  If you don't want to wear a helmet then that is your
preference, but don't try to justify your position by arguing the same tired
old vision and hearing theories.  A helmet does not limit your forward or
perpherial vision.  DOT requires all helmets to meet a minimum p-vision of 105
degrees, I don't know to many folks that have p-vision beyond 90 degrees.  As
for the noise, by wearing the helmet you are afforded protection from hearing
damage so you don't need to remove it to hear.  Even wearing a helmet I hear 
much more of what's going on around me than I ever do in the cage. And as for 
your statement about not needing one below 40 mph, that is absolute and utter
bull (cow?) shit.  The only time I ever dumped a bike I was doing 35-40 and if
it weren't for the helmet I would not have been able to pick the bike up and
ride home.                                          
                
If you want to ride without a helmet, fine.  Get the leg. to repeal the helmet 
laws and go splatter your brains on some highway, I won't stop you. But quit
trying to justify the fact that you are not being the most intelligent person
in the world.  I really don't know why the government insists on protecting 
the less intelligent from themselves any.  I say leave it up to natural
selection, Darwin WAS right, you know.

******************************************************************************
Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I (FOR SALE)
1991 Ford Escort GT
******************************************************************************
From: cd374@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: mising key fob
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:30:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd374@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Herman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I orded my key fob 3 weeks ago and it hasnt come yet??

Is there a delay of some sort ??

JC

plese reply by mail Im moving and lossing my 
net acess for a few weeks or months in a worst case.
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:39848 ba.motorcycles:905
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: WHAT WAS IT?
From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:07:43 GMT
Organization: InForm Group Ltd.

In article <1dpv8sINNfhm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
> saw an interesting bike today....first..some facts..i'm a wanna be
> biker..sort of..never had one..but i love bikes..and like to read
> about those of us with one....but..as a result of my inexperience..
  [lots more deleted]
> variations..and maybe some performance specs for it..just to satisfy my
> curiostiy..email'd be nice.but posting is ok too..thanx!
> DREW

I saved this into a file called dots and typed in the following command:

cat dots | tr . ' '

Amazingly, I could then read this article! Gotta love unix...

Mike

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