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From: alkatib@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Tom Alkatib)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Can you help me find my friend ?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:48:46 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
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Hello,
Can you help me find my Indian friend?  His name is Philip David.  I went to
community college with him in 1981 (Wayne County Community College, Detroit,
Michigan).  He relocated to Redwood City, Ca. (Bay Area).  I think he enrolled
in Stanford University, the Engineering Dept.  His brother (Vince) also lived in
Redwood City.  He also had another brother that lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico
Both brothers relocated some time around 1983-84.  His parents lived around the
Denver, Colorado Area in early 1980's.  If you know where I can find my good
friend please let me know or let him know that I am looking for him !
I also have some pictures with him if anyone is interested in seeing what he 
looks like !

Thank you,

Tom Alkatib
Hewlett-Packard Co.
San Diego, Ca.
(619) 592-4455
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Watch out for fanatics like B.Kumar
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:53:16 GMT

 am shocked and surprised to see that an educated person can be so
ignorant about the difference between the God and religious fanatics.  I really mean to ask Mr. Kumar are you out of your mind?  Do you really mean what you've
written?  Think one more time.  If your answer is yes, i.e. you do understand
the difference between these two, then I don't have much to say, except 
suggesting you to apologize for making such stupid comments and for making yourself a fool.  If the answer is no, then you've serious problem and you need
some psychologic treatment.  

I hope you know that there is a large Hindu and Christian population in
Indonesia.  Are you sure that only mosques were damaged by the earthquake?
Are the Temples, Churches, etc standing intact?  What about the Bihar earth-
quake of 1988? or recent earthquakes in California or in Armenia?  What
religious structures were damaged there?  What about the recent cyclone
in Bangladesh (coastal areas in Bangladesh have high Hindu fishermen
population, where the cyclone in 1991 struck)?

The point is the God doesn't descreminate based on religion or color.  In
God's eye WE ARE ALL THE SAME.  It is human beings who have created all
these religions and fight against each other to protect them.  Let's pary for
peace and extend the horizon of our mind and soul in search of love and peace
for all humanity.

Khaleq

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Today (it is already the 16th of December in Bangladesh) is the
Victory Day in Bangladesh.  I express my heartfelt congratulations
to all Bangladeshis and Indians who extended their support for the
cause of our Independence from Pakistan.
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From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Mandir/Maszid/Girza/Gurudwara
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:14:39 GMT


In article <1992Dec11.142252@IASTATE.EDU> aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru) wr
ites:
>In article <1gar4cINN2am@alhena.usc.edu>, sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
>writes:
>> In article <11DEC199212381450@vx.cis.umn.edu> secular@love.and.respect.for.a
ll
>writes:
>>
>>
>> [...... deleted.....]
>>
>> >that one religion is better than the other.  Let's build the
>> >world's first *multireligious shrine* at the site.  Let's make the
>> >BIGGEST and the most BEAUTIFUL Hindu temple, Moslem Mosque,
>> >Sikh Gurudwara, and Christian Church side by side as four
>> >corners of a square.  That would be a perfect salute to
>> >secularism and (hopefully) also satisfy the Hindu fundamentalists
>> >and BabriMaszid faithfuls alike.
>> >
>> .
>>
>
>How about a pentagon with a fifth corner devoted to atheists like me ...
>We need to be represented too.  We need a place where we can meet and discuss
>the stupidity of the people who follow `religious books' rather than think...
>
>-aluru

     The same feeling always bothered me when I was watching any religious
programs in Indian TV.  When the TV telecasts all the festivals, religious
preaching etc,  why not they allow the atheists talk (atleast within some
guidelines not hurting any religion perticularly) something rational in order
to reform the people.  I am sure atheists are also a good percentage of
population and why not they are not given any freedom of speech in the govt
controlled media.


S. Sankarapandi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: eminnoor@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Elango S Minnoor)
Subject: INFO ON CAR RENTAL-PLEASE HELP
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:26:20 GMT

Hi netters

I am planning to rent a car to travel from Iowa City/chicago to Newyork this
christmas break.  Please let me know of any best deal.  I remember somebody
posting in the net, saying that there is a rental agency in chicago,charging
$68 per week.  Could someone help me giving me the information about the best
deals, PLEASE.

THANKS A LOT

ELANGO     (elangominnoor@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu)  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (anand hudli)
Subject: Re: Who is a fanatic?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:33:07 GMT

In article <15DEC199223041602@utkvx3.utk.edu> raj@utkvx3.utk.edu (S. KANAKA RAJ) writes:
>
>	The one great advantage of Bhakti is that it is the easiest and the
>most natural way to reach the great divine end in view; its great disadvantage
>is that in its lower forms it often times degenerates into hideous fanaticism.
>The fanatical crew in Hinduism, or Mohammedanism, or Christianity, have always
>been almost exclusively recruited from these worshippers on the lower planes 
>of Bhakti. That singleness of attachment (Nishtaa) to a loved object, without
>which no genuine love can grow, is very often also the cause of the
>denunciation of everything else. All the weak and undeveloped minds in every
>religion or country have only one way of loving their own ideal, i.e. by 
>hating every other ideal. Herein is the explanation of why the same man who is so
>lovingly attached to his own ideal of God, so devoted to his own ideal of
>religion, becomes a howling fanatic as soon as he sees or hears anything of 
>any other ideal.
 <stuff deleted>
>wrong; but the one thing he is always particularly careful to know is who says
>it. The same man who is kind, good, honest, and loving to people of his own
>opinion, will not hesitate to do the vilest deeds when they are directed
>against persons beyond the pale of his own religious brotherhood.
>
>				- Swami Vivekanandha
>
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Religion, which is the highest knowledge and the highest wisdom, cannot be
>bought, nor can it be acquired from books.	- Swami Vivekanandha
>
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>S. Kanaka Raj

 I am puzzled by what seems to be a contradiction by Swami Vivekananda 
 of some of the most profoundly philosophical verses in the Gita, in  
 support of the Bhakti Yoga. 

 Anand
 ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srsurapa@mtu.edu (Surapanani)
Subject: Babri Masjid
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:34:51 GMT

     Hundreds of years ago
        in the land of valleys and rivers
        enveloped by mighty Himalayas in the north
        and the waters of Indian ocean in the south
        the cows grazed on
        on the luxurious pastures
        chewing and chanting
        holy hymns and
        in peace with nature and mind


     Into the land of holy cows
        rode a moghul king and his fakirs
        and as the cows looked by
        in shock and stupor
        they thundered and plundered by


     The temples were raged
        meadows were reaped
        palaces built and masjids erected
        and one such mosque was
        named after the Babur the conqueror

     Hundreds of years later
        as the splendor and wonder
        of the moguls subsided
        the holy cows and magic fakirs
        lived by in peace and harmony
        chewing and chanting
        holy hymns and abracadabra
        in peace with nature and mind

     But the masjid from the yester years
        symbolizing the excesses of the past
        flared like a red flag
        haunting and taunting
        in the eyes of seething and raging bulls

     As the anger and frustrations rose
        from the wounds of the past
        the bulls came out of stupor
        and decided to heal the wounds
        for the future

     So as the fakirs looked by
        the bulls flocked
        in hundreds of thousands
        and like a simmering volcano
        erupting from the womb
        they attacked and destroyed
        the masjid from the past 
        and with it the haunted memories

     As the relic of the past
        turned into dust and debris
        the anger and hostility
        subdued and subsided
        and the bulls dispersed
        like the ebbing tides of the dying storm
        to their grazing lands

      Another dark day in the history has passed
        as the masjid fell to the ground
        so did 1000 lives
        and in the ruins of relic
        lay the tombs of innocent
        their only crime being
        the belief in religion
        mandir or masjid
        one or the other

      As time passed
        a mosque and a temple
        were placed one besides the other
        and as the winds of the calm breezed by
        the holy cows and magic fakirs
        lived by in peace and harmony
        chewing and chanting
        holy hymns and abracadabra
        in peace with nature and mind
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ravi@cwis.unomaha.edu (Arunachalam Ravichandran)
Subject: Re: ONE NATION UNDER ONE LAW
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:57:24 GMT

gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  writes:
> ssr@cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA) writes:
> 
> 
> >[misc stuff deleted]
> 
> >India is not an example of "ONE NATION UNDER ONE LAW"
> >The Muslims are governed by their own personal laws,  and the
> >Hindus by a totally different set.  This makes the country
> >inherently non-secular.
> 
> 
> 	Just to put things in perspective, a vast majority
> of civil laws are absolutely uniform in application in
> India.  Only the small area of personal laws, i.e. laws
> that pertain to marriage and succession, remain separate
> for Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Parsis, and Jews.
> 
> 					Gauri.

Maybe this is a genuine problem. Because we have separate laws for some
religions and not for others. Recall that one of the grievances of the
Sikh community that the constitution treats them as hindus could
be attributed to the fact that there is no separate personal law for Sikhs.
A UCC could possibly have avoided that grievance (I hope)
ravi
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: progress in India!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:41:09 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1992Dec17.230922.15132@cs.wayne.edu>, seeta@eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju UdayaBhaskar Sarma) writes:
|> In article 1gqietINNs5q@lns554.TN.CORNELL.EDU, vj@lns598.tn.cornell.edu (Vivek Jain) writes:
|> 
|> -+>When RG sided with the fundamentalists in the Shahbano case, it was said that
|> -+>he took India back to the 13th century. With the demolition of the mosque, I 
|> -+>guess you could say we went back to the 16th century. So, in a way, we have 
|> -+>made tremendous progress (300 yrs. worth) in less than a decade. At this rate 
|> -+>we will get to the 21st century quite shortly.
|> 
|> 
|> The queen !!!  		Bring back the queen's rule !!!  (If she gets kicked out
|> of GB, then let us make her OUR queen..>!!!)

There's already one imperious lady out of a job now -- Maggie Thatcher. Let's
ask her to become Queen. She's wasted on those old farts in the House of
Lords. "Duchess of New Delhi" sounds better than the "Baroness of Kesteven."
She couldn't be worse than Sonia or Priyanka as PM...

(-:)/2 (only half in jest)


|> Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: polina@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Sivaramakrishna Polina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: LOOKING FOR MAHENDRA KUMAR IN DARTMOUTH COLLEGE< HANOVER
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:25:19 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Originator: polina@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

Hai folks,

I am looking for my friend MAHENDRA KUMAR from Bangalore who I think
is in DARMOUTH COLLEGE in Hanover. I should be thankful if somebody
could mail me his e-mail address or phone number. He did his BE in
Bangalore University and is a telugu guy settled in Bangalore.

Hoping to find him soon.

Bye Bye

Sivaramakrishna
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From: ganesh@mega.cs.umn.edu (M. Ganesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,ba.market.housing
Subject: Roommate wanted in San Jose/Santa Clara/Sunnyvale area
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:16:19 GMT
Followup-To: sunil@vmxi.cerfnet.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

Hi Folks:
I am posting this for a friend. Please contact him directly.
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Hi,
    I am looking for a roommate in San Jose/ Santa Clara / Sunnyvale
area. If you are looking for one, or know of somebody who is looking
for one, please reply by phone or email to:
sunil@vmxi.cerfnet.com
(408)441-1166x4509.

Thanks
Sunil Cherian

PS:   If you are calling up in the morning or late at night, you can try
(408)983-4703. If you don't get me, please leave a message so that I can
get back to you.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dnettles@engws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David E Nettles)
Subject: Re: RELIGION:  The Opiate of False Believers
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:17:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.164120.13790@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dnettles@engws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David E Nettles) writes:
>In article <Bz3sEs.8CJ@cs.dal.ca> kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:
>
>>As I see it, religion is an artificial spirituality created by man 
>>to gain control over man.
>
[stuff deleted]
>	LA SITUACIO'N:
>	--------------
>	Le voy a dar la vida enterna en el paraiso.
>	La puesta es que me da el diezmo y tu espiritu hasta que la muerte.
>	Despues de la muerte va a tener la vida enterna en el paraiso.
>	Firmamos un contrato.  (Lea la biblia/koran/etc. y acepta
>	Jesus_risa, etc...)
        ^^^^^^^^^^
        !!!!!!!!!! Yipes!!!!!

	PLEASE THERE IS NO DISRESPECT MEANT HERE!!!!!!
	I MEANT TO TYPE "Jesus_Cristo, Allah, etc..." 
	BUT MY KEYBOARD JAMMED!!!!!

	PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY.
	MY INTENT IS NOT TO REDUCE THIS TO ANY KIND OF PERSONAL
	ATTACKS OR DISPLAYS OF DISRESPECT.

	I ONLY WANT TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE.

	ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY.

>
>	LA PREGUNTA:
>	------------
>	?Tendria la vida enterna en el paraiso despues de la muerte?
>
>	LA RESPUESTA:
>	-------------
>	No sabe.
>
>Si Ud. cree _SI'_ ?por que'?  
>?Que' es la diferencia entre las situacio'nes?
>
>No solamente porque Ud. tiene la biblia/koran/etc. es bastante porque
>la biblia/koran/etc. solamente es un contrato.  Un contrato solamente
>es la palabra de la promesa.
>
>No es bastante que hay muchas personas que creen lo mismo.  Porque
>todo los nin~os creen a Santa Claus, pero Santa Claus no existe.
>
>?Que' es la corta que le va a proteger?
>
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From: ahmed@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Information
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:31:45 GMT

Hi:
I am looking for information on the mechanical engineering department
of the following univs. If you can help or know somebody who can, please
contact me

1. Colorado State Univ., Fort Collins
2. Wright State Univ., Dayton, OH
3. Villinova Univ., PA
4. Oklahoma State Univ., Stillwater
5. Arizona State Univ., Tempe
6. Iowa State Univ., Ames

thanx ... khaleel
___________________________
ahmed@zonker.ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: we need now is SARDARPATEL!!!
Reply-To: G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk (GS Samra)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 09:48:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.191159.9398@cs.wayne.edu> uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>
>
>>... which means that we need Sardar Patel. He was a practical 
>>man, not a day-dreamer like Nehru. Nor was he a villanous character
>>like Indira Gandhi or an utter idiot like Rajiv Gandhi.
>>
>>--Sudhi.
>

'Sardar' Patel in 1947/48 sent a circular to all the senior police officers 
in India saying that the Sikhs are a criminal nation and should be treated 
as such.

I'm sure that if he had his way , the situation that is prevailing in 
India now, would have developed ver soon after 1947. And who knows,Khalistan 
might already have been created by now.

G.S.Samra


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: malyanka@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Raphael Malyankar)
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Reply-To: malyanka@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Raphael Malyankar)
Organization: Another Stingy Univ.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:41:02 GMT

Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

+ Dismissing other three state governments may not turn out
+to be a mistake after all. Read an article I just posted. As
+you also note below this may  be an opportunity to corner
+hard liners with in BJP/RSS etc. It can be achieved a) by
+putting more pressure on them to translate their public
+support into vote or b) lead, follow or get out of the way :->.

What if we end up with the Shiv Sena leading, the BJP following, and
the Congress(I) getting out of the way :-> ?

--
Raphael Malyankar        malyanka@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: sexual harassment
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:19:09 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

sbmn@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (S.Subramanian(contr)) writes:

[accounts of sexual harassment in a Santa Cruz company deleted]

>I do not like to draw generalizations  about   a   society   from
>an  isolated  incident.  But what really surprises me is the fact
>that even in a corporation of the size of SCO, such things can go
>on  for  several years without the ouside world knowing about it.
>Will  this  kind of a thing happen in India ?  Is  it  not  worse
>than   a   piercing   look  or   an innocuous  comment  a   woman
>encounters in the streets ?

Maybe this is an exception rather than the rule, but I remember
that an allegation that the DGP of Punjab KPS Gill made drunken
and unwelcome advances to a woman IAS officer in Punjab (i think
her name was Rupan Deol or Bajaj or something) was swept under
the carpet for fear that any action taken against Gill would
hurt the morale of the police forces. This was some 3-4 years ago
at least. 

I am sure it is the same kind of reasoning that also makes the
Government cover up abuses of human rights. 

>Subbu
-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Federal versus State rights
Date: 17 Dec 1992 11:36:47 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

kumarv@paul.rutgers.edu (kumar vadaparty) writes:


>What do you think of the president's dismissal of three state
>governments? These govts were dismissed because they were not able to
>conduct according to the Indian Constitution. 

Actually, it is Constitutional. The Constitution's Article 356 gives
the Central Govt. the authority to dismiss state Govt.'s whenever
there is a breakdown in the functioning of Constitutional machinery.
That phrase can be construed to mean anything since our Constitution
is so huge that it deals with just about anything you could imagine.
It is just possible that "... a failure of Const. machinery..." could
be something as silly as not ensuring the an old Indian flag is
disposed of correctly (yup, there is a specific way to do this too --
in the presence of a Gazetted officer, it has to be solemnly lowered
into a grave or something).

This is at the recommendation of the Governors, but since most of them
are Centre-imposed lackeys, this has never been a problem. After all,
when some Governor last year refused to do the Center's bidding and
sign the dotted line (Barnala in TN) the Centre fired him and replaced 
him with one (BN Singh??) willing to dance to their music (or cacophony).

Indira Gandhi used this power left, far-left (don't think we ever had
right-wing Governments ever) and center. Prime Ministers of
late, and especially PVNR, have given assurances to the effect that such
power would not be used arbitrarily to sack opposition Governments, which
was why this (the sackings) were surprising.

>BJPites and RSSites? Dismantling the elected govts because of an
>incident in a state hundreads of miles across is hardly
>constitutional.

I think the word you are looking for is ".. justified."

>I think this is the worst blunder in the state federal relations India
>has ever seen.

Just a continuation of politics as usual.

>I condemn religious zealots, and destruction of mosques (or temples).
>But dismantling elected govts (that have nothing to do with the issue
>of mosque/temple) is even more sinful. 

Amen.

>This incident smacs of "bending backwards for the minorities". 
 
In this case, the "minorities" are the Commies, leftists and power-mongers
in the Congress who probably think that now is the time to regain their
Northern base, which was decimated the last time around.

>Kumar.
-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: 000087384@cats.ucis.vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP)
Subject: Re: Bundh yesterday
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:12:00 GMT

In article <Dec.16.06.55.53.1992.19704@paul.rutgers.edu>, dsreddy@paul.rutgers.edu (Sunil R Dattapuram) writes...
> 
> 
>Hyderabad observed bundh yesterday in reposnse to BJP's call protesting
>against their govt's dismissal in as many as three states.
> 
>All schools and commercial institutions remained closed. 

Whats different about the news.
India is going to have a gala time with bandhs and curfews
these days.
Reminds me of the time when we in Hyderabad used to look
forward to the Ganesh nimmajjanam as holidays time.
Times dont change...

Sandeep
> 
> 
>Sunil
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