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From: shorts@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Rafi Levavy)
Subject: Re: And now Richard Hunt?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:37:33 GMT

>As "The Muppet Christmas Carol" opening sequence begins, the first words to
>come on the screen are:

>																											In loving memory of
>																							Jim Henson and Richard Hunt

>Guys, what happened?  I had wondered why Richard's name wasn't amongst the
>Muppet performers in the ads, but I never realized he had passed away!  How
>and when did this.... and yes, hell, WHY did this happen?  For some reason
>this is making me a lot _angrier_ this time instead of sad.  Give me some
>light on this, guys, please.

Unfortunately, he died in January of AIDS (or AIDS-related stuff).

Rafi
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From: metfan@athena.mit.edu (Joshua D Abrams)
Subject: Muppet Christmas Carol
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:22:05 GMT

The differences between the soundtrack and the movie score bothered me a lot; I
was especially looking forward to seeing Sam do his song, although, if you
remember, the lyrics on the soundtrack to The Muppet Movie and the lyrics in the
film differed.

Has anyone heard why Scooter didn't even appear in the film; I expected to at
least SEE him, even if he didn't have a speaking role.  The last time they did 
X'mas Carol, he was Cratchit...  Even though she wasn't The Great Gonzo's
sidekick, even Camella made a couple of token appearances.

Also, Robin didn't appear; anyone know why he wasn't used as "Peter"???

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From: guy@ns.network.com (Guy D'Andrea)
Subject: Re: Muppet Christmas Carol
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:33:59 GMT

We went to see it Friday and it was pretty good!  What was really nice was that
when you buy something at the "candy stand", they gave us free Muppet Christmas
Carol posters!  ;-)  they gave us 3 of them!!!  ;-)

-Guy

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From: laurap@neuro.duke.edu (Laura Poole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: ...and then there were none
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:47:45 GMT

In article <stangem.11.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, stangem@columbia.dsu.edu (Michele Stange) writes:
> My fiance frequently uses this expression (...and then there were none), but 
> neither one of us can figure out where it comes from.  I keep thinking of 
> an Electric Company skit, but I dunno for sure.  Anybody know?
> 
> thanks,
> Michele

It's from a rhyme, I believe...Ten Little Indians. First there were 10, but
one died from something or another...it goes down the list, and at the end
when all the Indians are dead, it says "and then there were none." It's
a GRUESOME little nursery rhyme, Agatha Christie wrote a novel called "And
Then there were None" (also published as "Ten Little Indians") where the
plot is along the line of the poem. Boy, this is a morbid topic for a 
muppets group! it could be from an Electric Company skit, but I think this
rhyme is the original source.

kiwi, who's not normally this gruesome, honest!
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From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Muppet Christmas Carol
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:32:02 GMT

In article <Bz65Gr.36J@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier) writes:
>Did anyone see the making of A Muppet Christmas Carol Friday night
>after the Winnie the Pooh and Christmas too special?  I didn't see it
>mentioned in the subject lists (I'm about 50 messages behind) but it
>was very interesting.  They showed how certain charcters were
>performed, like the Ghost of Christas Present, and how complicated he
>was, (live actor, remote control facial expressions)  They also showed
>some of the puppeteers doing their voices without the characters.
>
Yeah, I was at a party & happened to catch part of it...
Actually, the main reason I'm posting is because I just got back
from seeing _the_movie_...  It was _HEARTWRENCHING_!!!!!

Of course, there were parts of it that were very good, and I
could even deal with the fact that the style was very different
than previous muppet productions, and I am really trying to get
used to Kermit's new voice and new postures, etc...

But there's this one scene (you've all heard the story, so I'm
not giving anything away), where Tiny Tim died, and the Cratchett
family is trying to be cheerful about it...  Well, "Bob Cratchett"
(Kermit) gave this speech about how everyone has to deal with meetings
& partings in this life, and that the family would just have to deal with
this parting as best they could...  (I was in tears!!!!)

BTW, it's kinda cute to see him & Mrs. Piggy-the Frog being kinda
affectionate & domestic...  And their daughters are the spittin'
image of their mommy...  :)

And I adored the ghost of Christmas present....

Also BTW, has anyone heard anything about a (former???) muppeteer
named Buz Suraci?  His name was listed in the credits for several
past muppet productions plus other movies such as Return of the Jedi
and Little Shop of Horrors, and it was my understanding that he was
working on this movie, but I did not see his name in the credits...
Go figure.

Enjoy the movie everybody!!!!!!

Love,
Angela
,
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From: smcguire@mit.edu (Scott McGuire)
Subject: Re: Muppets specials on Nick
Followup-To: alt.tv.muppets
Organization: Sloan School, MIT
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:58:26 GMT

In article <smcguire-111292124153@campion.mit.edu>, smcguire@mit.edu (Scott
McGuire) wrote:
> 
> Also, I noticed in my television guide this week that Nickleodeon will be
> repeating the Muppet special "The Frog Prince" on Saturday Dec. 11 (that's

Whoops.  Been writing the wrong date all day.  I meant Saturday Dec. 12!

--Scott
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From: milton@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (milton)
Subject: Re: And now Richard Hunt?
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:51:36 GMT

In article <NFDVBFXB@cc.swarthmore.edu> () writes:
>As "The Muppet Christmas Carol" opening sequence begins, the first words to
>come on the screen are:
>
>																											In loving memory of
>																							Jim Henson and Richard Hunt
>
>Guys, what happened?  I had wondered why Richard's name wasn't amongst the
>Muppet performers in the ads, but I never realized he had passed away!  How
>and when did this.... and yes, hell, WHY did this happen?  For some reason
>this is making me a lot _angrier_ this time instead of sad.  Give me some
>light on this, guys, please.
>																													  	- Bryan  
>

Bryan,

  When I heard the soundtrack for the "Muppets on Location" show at the
Disney
/MGM Studios in Florida, I noticed that Janice sounded kinda weird.  I knew
that it was Richard's performance, but Janice sounded a little more like
Scooter(Richard performed him too). What I mean is that it wasn't 100%
Janice's voice.  I asked a friend who worked on the
soundtrack and he told me that Richard was "sick".  The first illness that
came to mind was AIDS, and unfortunately that was what Richard had.  On
November '91, he came to Florida for the opening of "Muppets on Location",
his 
health had deteriorated, had lost one eye, but he still had his easy-going,
down-to-earth spirit(which Janice inherited)

 He passed away on Jan. 7, 1992.
 
 His picture appeared in an article about all the famous people that have
died
of AIDS this year, in Entertainment Weekly no. 146 from Friday, Nov. 27,
1992.  The issue is the one with the black "X" on a white
background, and Spike Lee's profile on the cover, page 12.

Don't be angry, be sad.  Richard was only 40 when he died.  Actually, that
makesme angry.  I hope that someone finds a cure for that terrible disease.


Milton

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From: mhaitkin@scott.skidmore.edu (meredith haitkin)
Subject: My Favorite Muppet mivMovie....
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:15:14 GMT

With all the talk about the new Muppet movie I was thinking about
which movie I like best out of the three I have alreay seen.  I must
say that my favorite is "The Muppet Movie"  It is the most simply and
beautifully done with the catchiest soundtrack(The Rainbow Connection,
need I say more) and we get to see Animal as we've never seen him
before.  The other two were good, "The Great Muppet Caper" more so
than "The Muppets TAke Manhattan".  I was just wondering what everyone
else thought.....
				Love, Meri
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From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: Re: Muppet Christmas Carol
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:05:15 GMT

Did anyone see the making of A Muppet Christmas Carol Friday night
after the Winnie the Pooh and Christmas too special?  I didn't see it
mentioned in the subject lists (I'm about 50 messages behind) but it
was very interesting.  They showed how certain charcters were
performed, like the Ghost of Christas Present, and how complicated he
was, (live actor, remote control facial expressions)  They also showed
some of the puppeteers doing their voices without the characters.
That was weird.  I wish I would have taped it, but I wasn't at home.
Oh well.



Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: v143pfey@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MAN OF BOHEMIA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: SoundTracks
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,  I am looking for the soundtracks of the past muppet
movies, specifically The Muppet Movie.  I am very interested.
I have looked in every store and have not found it.  If anyone
knows, please respond.
From: ce732@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven K. Wilcken)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: beaker
Date: 15 Dec 1992 06:55:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce732@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven K. Wilcken)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



>Hi,
>
>  Just got through watching a muppet show video the other night and I saw two
>Beaker skits that were really funny:
>
>they finish the song.
>
>Watching Beaker do a lounge act is quite the experience.
>
>later
>Bengalt
>The Mighty Halfling Wizard (Really I Am!)
>

One of my favorite beaker scethes was on a PBS special years ago.  I don't
remeber what it was.  Beaker, Animal & the Swedish Chef sang 'Danny Boy'

-- 
Don't ask me how it works or I'll start to whimper

                                            -Arthur Dent-
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From: st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: ...and then there were none
Reply-To: st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:21:22 GMT

Michele, I'm writing this before reading the other 11 postings, but let
me say that "And Then There Were None" was not only a great Agatha Christie
Novel, but also, if I recall, a not-too-bad skit on Sesame Street, too.
Tell the fiance I say hi. And apologies to anyone who has to read one more
in of the endless responses to this question, if there are any, I don't
know yet.

Also, thanks about that Disney group, I am on it now.
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From: shorts@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Rafi Levavy)
Subject: Re: ...and then there were none
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:29:37 GMT

>My fiance frequently uses this expression (...and then there were none), but 
>neither one of us can figure out where it comes from.  I keep thinking of 
>an Electric Company skit, but I dunno for sure.  Anybody know?

I don't know if the expression came from this, but it is the title of an Agatha Christie novel.

Hope this helps.

Rafi

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"He wears shorts and a shirt and socks."
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From: wdyb_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wendy Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: New Group
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:59:14 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec14.231606.25326@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>Sorry to bring up ideas of disbanding, but there are so many other
>similar things that I'd love to discuss. Since the Muppets are now owned
>by Disney, where else am i going to go to start a Disney Network? I can't
>do it here, can someone do it for me? Right now, seeing how Aladdin is
>out right now, that would be the premier discussion, but I'm sure it would
>grow. Everyone has their own favorite Disney flick and song to discuss,
>just like they have their favorite skit of the Muppet Show. so, if someone
>can do this for me, I'd be much obliged. (Alt.Disney is fine) I love all
>this "childhood" stuff and have not and probably will never out grow it.
>Like Holden Caulfield, I want to be the guy at the cliff who catches all the
>kids running through the rye before they fall off the cliff into adulthood.
>But doesn't everyone? Thanks.......

There already is a news group for Disney.  I can't really remember what it's
called, but it might be Alt.Disney like you suggested.  Talk to the person 
in charge of regulating your news groups... it's out there! :-)
-- 


			      Wendy the Purple wanna-be
					:-)(-:
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From: jebg9667@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Johann E. Beda)
Subject: Re: ...and then there were none
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:41:56 GMT

The phrase "...and then there were none" is used in any number of murder
mysteries where the members of the group get picked off one by one, such as
in Agatha Christie's 'Ten Little Indians' which I think is also titled
'And then there were none'.

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From: loreag@iastate.edu (Lore A Guilmartin)
Subject: Muppets on video
Summary: muppet videos coming January '93
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:31:01 GMT

An insert in the Muppet Christmas Carol soundtrack cd says that "The joy
of the Muppets" will be available on video next january.  Hopefully this
will mean old Muppet Shows and television specials.

We'll just have to keep watching...
From: basil@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Brian J. Stokes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: RE: Secret of the Muppets
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:23:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Someone asked what "The Secret of the Muppets" was that was shown on Nick
this weekend.  It is an episode of the Jim Henson hour that never aired.  I
managed to see it before at the Museum of TV & Radio (can't get enough of that
place :)  For those that missed it:  it is all about how many of the tricks
The Muppets do are done.  They show both puppet workshops, portions of The
Making of Fraggle Rock and Of Muppets and Men, and show scenes from Jim
Henson Hours behind the scenes.

Brian
From: sl9dm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Swedish Chef translator needed
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:45:52 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Dec11.034924.28888@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, wigs@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley) writes:
> If anyone has a copy of the swedish chef translator, could they forward
> a copy to me please?


You mean there IS such a thing? And why would you need it? IF you try hard you
can understand the chef fine.

However, this sounds interesting. I shall also request a copy to sent to me.

Thanks!
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From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Swedish Chef translator needed
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:12:05 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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>There is an executable called chef that takes normal English and translates
>it into swedish chef speech, ex: The film is okay-->Zee feelm is ookey.
>
>I have a copy of this executable and will send it to anyone whom wants it.
>I have already sent it to Aaron. I got this off the net awhile ago so take
>it for what it's worth. 
>
>-- 
>Mary

Would you be so kind as to send me a copy of "chef"? It would make me SOOO
happy!   :)

--Paul
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From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
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Subject: Re: My Favorite Muppet mivMovie....
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:52:21 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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In article <1992Dec17.191514.9638@scott.skidmore.edu> mhaitkin@scott.skidmore.edu (meredith haitkin) writes:
>With all the talk about the new Muppet movie I was thinking about
>which movie I like best out of the three I have alreay seen.  I must
>say that my favorite is "The Muppet Movie"  It is the most simply and
>beautifully done with the catchiest soundtrack(The Rainbow Connection,
>need I say more) and we get to see Animal as we've never seen him
>before.  The other two were good, "The Great Muppet Caper" more so
>than "The Muppets TAke Manhattan".  I was just wondering what everyone
>else thought.....
>				Love, Meri

Yes, I agree that the first Muppet Movie was the best. Why? It's one of
those "gut reaction" things, but I think I can distill the feeling down
to the initial reaction of seeing my fuzzy friends on the big screen for
the first time (1st impressions and all that). As for artistic qualities
of the films, I'll leave that up to the "critics."

(Oh, my favorite TV special is -- without a doubt -- _Emmett Otter's Jug
Ban Christmas_. Anybody share my sentiments?

Paul
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:04:45 EST
From: Jennifer Sternbergh <JXS181@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: alphabet in the swamp

Hello!  Someone already posted some lyrics in reference to the request for
the swamp/alphabet thing, but I have a feeling that the African Alphabet
Song isn't what was asked for.  The other alphabet thing is one of my
favorite Sesame Street sketches...it's great!  Here are the words to that
one:

A is for alligator.
B is for bayou.
C is for cypress tree.
D is the dew.
E is for everything, like
F -- ferns, or
G -- grass, that's
H -- home to you.
I is for insect,
J -- for juniper,
K -- kelp,
L -- log,
M is the moon.
N is noontime,
O is for otter.
P is the possum, who'll be sleeping soon.
Q is quicksand, that's very tricky...
R -- rushes,
S -- snakes,
T -- tar that gets you sticky...
U is the universe that's
V -- vast, and
W -- wide.
X marks the spot where I love to hide.
Y is the yellow bird that sings SO sweet, which brings me back to
Z, and now my alphabet's complete, in the swamp...


Kermit goes through this twice, the second time leaving out a few words here
and there:

A -- alligator.  B -- bayou.  C -- cypress tree.  D -- dew.  E -- for
everything like...F -- ferns, or G -- grass, that's H -- home to you.
I is for insect, J -- for juniper, K -- kelp, L -- log, M is the moon.
N is noontime. O is for otter, P is the possum, who'll be sleeping soon.
Q is quicksand, that's very tricky, 'member? R -- rushes, S -- snakes,
T -- tar that gets you sticky. U is the universe that's... V -- vast, and
W -- wide, X marke the spot where I love to hide. Y is the yellow bird that
sings so sweet, which brings me back to Z and now my alphabet's complete, in
the swamp... Yoo hoo... Ribbit ribbit...

I hope that this is what you were looking for!

Enjoy!

-- Jen


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From: peace@camelot.bradley.edu (Laura Wasko)
Subject: Silly kid stories (was Re: cast list)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:02:08 GMT

In <1992Dec10.221611.9415@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923459@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

(cute story deleted)

>I'm so embarrassed........somebody hold me!!

Don't be.  I'm sure that there are others out there who have silly stories
from when they were kids that relate to the Muppets, Sesame Street, et al.

My personal experience involved a great deal of trouble with Kermit's name.
I had never met anyone actually named Kermit, so I didn't really have
anything to relate it to.  I did have a friend named Timothy, however, and
I knew about Dorothy, from _The Wizard of Oz_.  So, after hearing the little
green guy say, without great concern for articulation, "Hi-ho,
KermittheFrog here!" I became convinced that his name was "Kermithy."  It
took my mother a LONG time to make me believe otherwise.

Now, Todd, do you feel better since someone else shared a silly story?
There have to be more out there--let's hear them!

Laura


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