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From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: SUGGESTIONS for WEIRD MOVIES - Embellished
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:01:25 GMT
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>Blue Velvet
>A David Lynch movie. Dennis Hopper has never been better. 
>Superlative performances by Laura Dern & Isabella Rosellini. Amazing 
>introduction of Kyle McLallahan(sp?) -- of Twin Peaks fame.  Twistedly
>comical.  The best of black comedy.  A must see.

I must disagree.  Far too contrived, self-consciously cool, and pointless
for my tastes.  Of course, the fact that I saw it on my first date with
someone who was also too contrived etc may have something to do with my
feelings.

If you want the best of black comedy, see The Ruling Class with Peter O'Toole
as J.C., the 14th Earl of Gurney, who first thinks he's Jesus Christ, and then
undergoes a personality switch and becomes respectable by thinking he's...
but that would be giving the climax away, wouldn't it?  Anything else by
playwright Peter Barnes is good, "A Black Comedy", or "Barnestorming", but
I don't know if they've been made into films.

For another great black comedy, go with my favorite movie of all time:
Dr.Strangelove: or how I learned to stop worrying and Love the Bomb.

Your mention of Laura Dern (whoever she is) brings Bruce Dern, a truly wierd
actor, to mind.  Is Silent Running wierd enough for inclusion?

The Cook et.al.
>Simple good vs. evil theme but complex illustration of such.  The only
>movie that could possibly make cannibalism entertaining.

I haven't seen this one, but Eat the Rich definitely made cannibalism
entertaining, as did World Gone Wild (which may qualify for this list...
certainly a more wierd version of the Mad Max genre) and Silence of the
Lambs.  Come on, weren't you rooting for Hannibal?

Votes:

A Clockwork Orange ... 5
Adventures of Baron Munchhausen, The ... 2
After Hours 3
Apocalypse Now 4
Blade Runner 5
Blue Velvet ... 1
Dune 1
Fahrenheit 451 ... 4
Repo Man 4
Rocky Horror Picture Show, The 5

a couple to be added...

Lunatics: made in Detroit, filmed from the inside of a paranoid schitz's
head, truly wierd.  I don't think it's gotten any further than a showing
here and a couple of West Coast film festivals, but if you get the chance,
see it.  5
Eat the Rich: British cannibalism-comedy, very off-the-wall. 3

wait just a minute, how can you leave off:

Attack of the Killer Tomatoes! 4 (for wierdness, or -1 for quality)

-- 
Chad Childers                            Work: chad@quality.ta.ford.com
FMEAplus Project Leader                  Home: chad@deep.mi.org
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From: rsengupt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rita E Sengupta)
Subject: Re: Most Underrated Actor/Actress
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:40:21 GMT



Kathleen Turner is a much better choice!
WOW!
Now THAT would have been a great movie.
Do you know what Kathleen Turner has been in lately?

rita
From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Why X Isn't Making Money
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:50:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0CC8y.Kto.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1993Jan3.162800.3741@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
[lots of stuff about Malcolm X and so forth]

I'm not getting involved in one of these...

I repeat myself:

I am not surprised "X" is not making money. I think that a large
number of moviegoers heard the words "Malcolm X" and dismissed
the movie as "preaching that white people are evil."

I think that attitude is dumb, because it was formed without
seeing the movie or, in my admittedly anecdotal case, any
knowledge of Malcolm X.

I think is it insensitive to racial issues and differing
perspectives. 

I understand that some people would would not want to go see
a movie that preached that [group of people] are evil. I would 
not go to see Nazi propaganda films. However, assuming that
just because the movie is about a noted black leader with
some admittedly extreme views that the movie is going to preach
those views at you is, in my view, a mistake.

No, Spike Lee did not enter into these discussions. None of the
people I talked to knew who Spike Lee was, except "some black
movie maker."

These are my last words.

Tim
From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Suggestions...
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:20:07 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <3974@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
>
>Hi all:
>
>
>I have a taste for good, eccentric movies that create an exciting,
>interesting, funny and sometimes disgusting world of their own.
>Examples: *Brazil*, *Baghdad Cafe*, *After Hours*, *The Cook, the 
>Thief, ...*, etc.  Any other movies of that sort you can think of?

Not quite as surreal, but _Heathers_ falls into this.  Also, a couple of
not-so-funny movies that take place in the real world, but are pretty off-
beat are _Leather Jackets_ and _Promised Land_.  _Miracle Mile_ is a good
world-of-its-own type movie, but it's not terribly funny.


Barbara Kane                                             Unify Corporation
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From: gswan@psych.toronto.edu (George Swan)
Subject: Something is missing from PASSENGER 57
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:42:07 GMT

In his recent review in rec.arts.movies.reviews Ken Johnson
gave Passenger 57 four out of five.

While Passenger 57 had its moments, I would give it a much lower
rating.  This is a very short film, and I wonder if it is one of
those films that through cost over-runs, or artistic differences
was left unfinished.  Rumour has it that Alien^3 was left unfinished
and clearly Highlander II was unfinished.

Further, I had some quibbles with certain key premises of the film.
No reason is ever given for the loyalty the cheif bad guy commands
from his gang.

Mild spoilers ahead.

Similarly, Snipes character might be the roughest toughest
guy around, but I don't think this qualifies him to administer
the airlines security department.

Finally, it looked like the air line executive who wasn't Snipes
friend had a plan to have Snipes take the fall for the hijacking.
Most of this sub-plot seems to have been left on the cutting
room floor.

Does anyone else have any ideas as to what else might have been
cut?  Respond via email, and I'll summarize.

Cordially,

Geo Swan
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: 24 frames a second: technical query
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:31:53 GMT

I have deleted the References: line since this should have been in its
own separate thread to begin with.

In article <C0Gr6q.FHJ@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>Some one told me once that a film screen is lighted for less time than
>it is non-lighted, during the showing of a film; that the blank,
>black, spots that separate the individual frames occupy the screen for
>more time than the lighted frames do.
>
>Accordingly, I accepted what I'd heard, and recited it as gospel.
>Today someone challenged the story, and asked for evidence of its
>truth.

I've been told by someone that I consider fairly reputable that each
individual frame is actually projected TWICE... i.e. for each frame
the shutter opens twice.

Actually, it's a disk with pieces cut out of it, so that as the disk
spins, it passes or blocks light.  So, for each frame, the shutter goes
pass-block-pass-block and then the film advances in the second block
period.

I don't know what the proportions are of the pass and block timing.

-----
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"It is up to us to produce better-quality movies."  [Lloyd Kaufman, producer
of "Stuff Stephanie in the Incinerator."  From a book of film industry
quotes.  Submitted to rec.humor.funny by voros@physics.monash.edu.au]
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From: <MWALTER@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Help needed on movie quotes

1. Network

2. On The Waterfront

3.Mae West movie...Maybe My Little Chicadee(sp?)

4.Taxi Driver
From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Underrated Actor:  Alan Rickman
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1993Jan4.174126.2000@ee.gatech.edu>, wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
|> In article 27861@psych.toronto.edu, anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone) writes:
|> >|Definitely Alan Rickman.  I saw two films he was in this weekend.  One was  
|> >|"Close My Eyes" where he played the husband of a woman who has an affair
|> >|with her brother.  The other was "Truly, Madly, Deeply" -- a film I heard
|> >|being called the film that "Ghost" should have been (and I agree).  Both
|> >|films are highly recommended.
|> >|
|> >|And you must admit that he was the best part of Robin Hood:  Prince of
|> >|Thieves as the Sherriff of Nottingham.
|> >|
|> >|Has he been in other films?  
|> >|

some of his very good character studies. 

  villan - "Quigley, down under"
  Good guy  "The January Man"
  Villan -  "Die Hard"
From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Movie Quotes
Keywords: quotes
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:50:58 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

>"I'm mad as hell and I'm ot gonna take this any longer"
>
>"I could have been a contender, but I ended up being a bum"
>
>"Is that a gun you're carrying or are you just happy to see me?"
>
>"You talkin' to me?"
>
>If you know one or more answers please let me know via e-mail.
> [....]
>Boudewijn Wayers.

Humm--I think the second one is Brando in the Water Front, but
I'm not sure....

But this gives me an idea for collecting famous movie quotes....
I'm adding one below (I hope the wording is exact), a quote that
stuck to my mind the moment I heard it a few years back.  Any
guesses?

"Should I ice her or should I marry her--which one of these?"

Ahmed
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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Movies you were forced to see
Organization: QUAD Systems
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:40:26 GMT

geturner@aer.com. (George Turner) writes:
: I refused, at first to sit through "Fried Green Tomatoes" but then I was
: reminded that I had taken my wife to "Young Einstein".  "Fried Green
: Tomatoes" goes beyond the worst soap opera, beyond the most trite made-
: for-tv crud I have ever seen.  To make you feel sad, the best
: idea they could come up with was to run people over with trains!  
: 
: In a similar trade, I took my wife to see "Terminator II".  I then, had
: to sit through "Steel Magnolias".  Geez, it was worst than "Fried Green
: Tomatoes".  First, Sally Fields was hopelessly miscast.  I'm sorry, I
: can't work up any serious sympathy for Gidget goes to the Deep South.
: Again, even though we have powerful women, they still can get hurt.
: Sally Fields has to donate body parts to her dying daughter
: I kept waiting for the daughter to get run over by a train.

Simple solution - go to the theatre together and split up for the movies.
Works great for me. It's how I avoided both 'Tomatoes' and 'Magnolias'.
-- 

Roland Besserer							     '86 RG500
QUAD Systems							    '91 RGV250
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: commercials
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:55:06 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1isgm6INNr9p@transfer.stratus.com>, 
jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:

> The tape for one of the more recent Bond films had a John
> Cleese Schwepps commercial involving secret agents at the 
> beginning of the tape. Very funny.  I also tend to like
> it when the tape has a commercial that is somehow tied to the
> film.  (I don't like generic commercials, though.)

The Cleese Schwepps commercial before the tape for _A Fish Called Wanda_
was also excellent...about subliminal messages.

And there was a great Diet Coke one before _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade_
with scenes from the movie and an Indy double.  It was silly, but fun.

Greg Bole                                  "A twelve-gague, double-barreled, 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  grenade-launcher of LOVE!"
                                           Steve Martin in _Leap of Faith_
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Two More Cents on <<Chaplin>>
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:28:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.093658.46287@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> whitehea@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Lady in Red) writes:
>I just left <<Chaplin>> and I thought I'd bore everyone with my
>opinions about it.
>
>
>First of all, let me say that I am a dead-serious Chaplin fan and I
>went to this movie with high hopes and strict requirements.  I didn't
>like Robert Downey, Jr. in <<Air America>> and found him annoying rather
>than endearing in <<The Pickup Artist>>.  
>
>But, in <<Chaplin>> he did the job.  I felt that the whole movie was
>mis-structured in general (I hated the way his wives were shuffled on
>and off the screen -- it was like a curtain call!).  Mr. Downey, Jr.
>turned in a creditable performance as the "Little Fellow" and that is
>what I went to see.  

I too think Downey did a fabulous job.  I didn't really think he could
pull it off until I actually saw the film.  My one complaint is that
it was difficult to tell exactly when the movie was taking place.
I kept thinking to myself, "Ok, so who is he married to know, and what
studio is he working for?"
--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
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From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Subject: Biographical movies (was Re: Hoffa?)
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Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:46:00 GMT

Kris (kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu) writes...
>As you noted above, it is a movie, not a documentary, and IMHO, this 
>relieves them of the responsibility of having to make any sort of
>statement.  I do not recall hearing that the creators of the film
>promised a historically accurate account of this man's life.  They 
>merely offered a portrayal of their perception of Jimmy Hoffa.  I
>have no problem with that -- what do others think?
> 
I think a biographical film has some responsibility to history.  If it is
fiction then it should be explicitly fiction, and the central character called
something other than Jimmy Hoffa.  I admit to some flexibility on that point--
I don't fault Shakespear for his ahistorical portraits of Richard III or Julius
Ceasar, the value of those plays as character drama so far exceeds any such
considerations, and besides we don't look there for education in English or
Roman history.  And I think we're all willing to give the writers freedom with
respect to inessential details.  Whether the manner of Hoffa's death is such
a detail may be disputed.  I haven't seen _Hoffa_ yet, but I wonder if any
concocted scenario for his death would be more interesting than the fact that
we don't know?  

One of my problems with biographical movies is that often the real story is
more interesting.  I felt this way about that film my friends call "Sigourney
in the Mist".  Recently someone posted a summary of comments made by Solomon
Perel, the subject of _Europa, Europa_.  The movie's fantastic ending was 
fictional (and hurt its credibility); the truth of Perel's double identity
as a Jew and a Nazi was even more fantastic, persisting long after the War,
a story with a great deal more moral ambiguity than the movie allowed.  
Fictionalization is so often not an improvement.

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
From: sgs3@po.CWRU.Edu (Sharon G. Scinicariello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Francais movies
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:02:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) says:

>In article <BzoCKt.Ion@peora.sdc.ccur.com>, tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes:
>>
>>Please recommand good French movies that one can get from rental outlets.
>
>There's always Jean de Florette and the sequel, Manon de la Source
>(Manon of the Spring).
>
>Over the summer, we rented Jesus de Montreal because someone had heard
>it was good.  I thought it was well done, but nothing really happens
>(although that one scene had us rolling on the floor, the one where they
>show various styles of performing the same story).  So, if you don't
>like that kind of movie, you probably should stay away from it.
>
>I also highly recommend La Grande Illusion, which was assigned for a
>French class I took.  Dunno if it's widely available at rental places
>though.
>
>-----
>sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)


One film that just came out on video is _Uranus_, based on a book by Marcel
Ayme.  I also highly recommend _La Sorciere_, but don't know if it's out
on video.  There are video stores that have good collections of foreign
film or you can rent by mail order.  In addition to _Grande Illusion_, Jean
Renoir made several other masterpieces.  The films of Jean Cocteau are
also good if you enjoy black and white classics.  

I saw a funny adaptation of "Crocodile Dundee" called _Le Provincial_, but
don't know if it's available outside of France.

Remember, too, that the later films of Bunuel are in French.  I 
particularly like _The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie_.

-- 
Sharon G. Scinicariello
Department of Modern Languages and Literatures, CWRU
sgs3@po.cwru.edu
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From: indiv35@imsor.dth.dk (Henrik Sahlholt (bfn - 2/93))
Subject: Re: Weird Movies
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:36:42 GMT

In <3981@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:


>Hi everyone:

>Thanks for all the suggestions.  The list of weird movies so far is
>below.  If you can think of more, please add....

>Thanks,
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

>	Blue Velvet
>	Wild At Heart

You might just as well add the rest of Lynch's films. 
(at least "Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With Me", this is a *very* weird movie)

Henrik Sahlholt
(d01hs@vm2.uni-c.dk)
From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Accents
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:19:33 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
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>In article <1992Dec28.175019.17060@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:
>>
>>On a side note, remember how "Hunt for Red October" started out with
>>subtitles under the Russians speaking Russian? I thought at the time that it
>>would have been a really neat effect if all the Russian scenes had been
>>filmed in Russian and subtitled for the entire movie. Did this occur to
>>anyone else when watching "Red October" for the first time? Was the thought
>>that most of the movie might be in subtitled Russian a cause for dismay, or
>>delight? In my case, definitely the latter, and I was almost disappointed
>>when they switched to English. Ah well, so it goes.
>

I acutally thought the transition was wonderful.  I just watched it on 
video last night.  We avoided the need to stare at the bottom of the
screen to find out what was going on (for those of us who do not speak
Russian) while having the Russian brought to our attention.  The signage
on the sub remained in Russian, complete with Cyrillic characters, and
as soon as those who did not speak the language arrived in the CIC, we
switched back to subtitled Russian.

I did truly enjoy the transition, hingeing on a word that is the same
in both languages (according to my Russian major friend who was in the
seat next to me for my first viewing) to make the cross over.  There
was too much going on at the time to want to confine my eyes to the
bottom three feet of the screen so that I could understand the dialog.
I would miss some of the dialog as my eye was drawn away by motion on
the screen, as is the nature of the human eye....

My $.02
-Neal
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:30:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
| 
| Thanks guys for the suggestions on weird movies: the list I've 
| compiled so far is below--please add if you can think of any other.
| ...
| The WL:
| 	...
| 	The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
| 	Dracula
| 	Hyunsuk Seung
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey, that' my name!  I didn't realize someone had made a movie of
myself (I was the one who recommended "Santa Sangre").

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
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From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: Name This Obscure Old Movie
Keywords: A song...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:57:49 GMT

In article <1iv4p6INN5cd@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>It's called "Citizen of Oz".  It's about a girl who is 
>transported (by tornado) to a land beyond the rainbow,
>where she and her dog, Rosebud, have many wacky adventures.

Don't forget the famous closing line in this film: "Judy, Judy, Judy - come with
me to the damn stinking Cazbah!" 
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