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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Re: I WAS RIGHT!!!!!
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 21:46:47 PDT
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>joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes:
>
>>>  Not the way I read it.  There might only be 250 who deal directly with
>>>Commodore, but there are probably just as many who deal through Merisel and
>>>the other distributors.
>
>>The term used is DEALER, not anyone who buys, sells, looks at, wishes they
>>had Amigas (then you might get more than 1000 :-).
>>Montgomery Ward ~= Dealer.  Ask any REAL Dealer, a CBM certified dealer.
>
>  If someone is buying Amigas from a distributor and then reselling them, they
>are a dealer.  Commodore certification is just snobbery based on a minimum
>sales threshold, not on a willingness to sell Amigas.
>
>  -jack-
>



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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:57:12 GMT
 <BuB6Lq.GAJ@starnine.com> <1992Sep9.170218.14810@usl.edu> <1992Sep9.204647.15405@ra.msstate.edu>
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In article <1992Sep9.204647.15405@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.170218.14810@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
[zap]
> >IRQ===========> systems that do not come with lots of peripherals
> >	        should not have problems filling up IRQs.  In the
> >	        most cases, the default IRQ for the card (like a Soundblaster)
> >		is the correct one.
> 
> Amiga Owner : "But we have AutoConfig(TM)!"
> 
> If there were lots of neat boards for the Amiga, AutoConfig would be
> something to brag about.  But there aren't and the wonders of the
> Zorro bus are simply wasted on most machines.  How many A3000 owners
> have one or more boards in their machines?  I'd bet that there
> aren't that many.

I have 3 out of 4 slots occupied in mine, and a PAL/NTSC switch on the
plate of the fourth.  I'll probably chuck the A2410 the next time I get a
card.  Adding cards has always been plug'n'play.

> >PCs 'headaches' IF existing are almost always 'cured' by simply reading the
> >manual  that comes with the card.

Yeah, yeah.. except when you install Ultima VI, now, which port is your
Soundblaster in?  Yep, once you got that card in you don't ever need to
worry about it again...

> Sheesh, real computer users don't need manuals.  :-)

Hahaha, you'd better have the manual so you know which jumpers set what
interrupts/addresses!

> >>I've been "guessing" at setting up an Ethernet card and rebooted
> >>and the display turned to 1/2 it's normal height!  (Is THAT why
> >>they call it OS/2?)
> >
> >I don't know about such things.  Did you know what you were doing?
> 
> I assembled a 486 box at work which included cards for the IDE drive,
> SVGA, Ethernet, and scanner without a hitch.  Again, I'd bet that
> it is not that setting up a PC is difficult, it's that most people
> are just plain stupid.

Obviously.  Any dumb ass should know that port $308 is already taken by
your soundblaster card.  Now which interrupt shall we use?  Oh, yes, you'd
better write down that information too, so you can feed it to your various
programs you buy, and so you can install another board without
reconfiguring the entire shmiel (... but you might have to do that anyways,
or replace certain cards, but that's besides the point, right?  After all,
setting up a PC isn't difficult.)
[zap]

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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Doug Barney is the Antichrist (AW Lies: The Sequel)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:42:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.213134.10730@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
(Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>>Oh, come on! What is this, hate Doug Barney month?? for god's sake, we're
>>quibbling over MOPED prices now! This is getting out of hand. Ever heard of 
>>the concept of FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE???

>Is it me or is Frank Dana truly the stupidest man physically capable of typing
>a post in .advocacy (a truly incredible distinction considering the mire of 
>stupidity that is .advocacy)  Perhaps I misunderstood the original post, but
>the moped bitch seemed to be a not-so-subtle form of sarcasm.

Phew thanks! I was beginning to think that I had contrived the moped equivalent
of War of the Worlds :).

>Please disregard ill treatment of Frank's mental capacity if the original post
>was not sarcasm.  Thank you.

Can I answer (b), but not necessarily (a)? :).

Mark

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From: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.unix.amiga,amix.misc
Subject: A4000 & AmigaUNIX...
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:58:24 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: PS -> POWERSystems

Hi all!

Have anybody, any info, about future versions from AmigaUNIX that will run on
the new machines (A4000, A1200...)!  

I mean a version that haves a IDE device-driver, a Xserver that will run on the
AA Chip-Set and so on...

Or, haves the C= people at the WoC in Pasadena spoken anything about AmigaUNIX?

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From: tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Questions for people attending WOC
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:57:46 EDT

In article <2AB110B1.21230@news.service.uci.edu>, rcaslis@anansi.acs.uci.edu (Russell Caslis) writes:
> OK, I may get to go to WOC tommorrow, but here are the questions I'd like
> to ask people who are/were there today:
> 
> 1) Details on AA chipset (what resolution, # of colors, speed)?
> 2) Is there a mid-line machine with AA?
>    A) what price?
>    B) when available?
>    C) does it have a hard disk, what size?
>    D) it anyone (creative computers?) taking orders for it?
> 3) Will the A600 get the AA chipset?
> 4) When will the hardware manuals (with AA info) be available?
> 

I append my request:

  5) Any new about CDTV mark 2 (or whatever could be the name) ?
     Is it real or rumour ? Any info about CDTV much appreciated because
     it's too long I wish I had it but I'm delaying to buy it waiting for
     the rumoured upgrade.


Thanks !  
  
  Stefano Tine'
From: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu (Ryan K. Brooks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: sunga rettaf Confirmation
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:17:46 GMT
Reply-To: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

The previous post about the 4000 is completely correct,  ask your
dealer to fax you a copy of the spec sheet, they should all have em..
Also, the specs make mention of a optional SCSI adapter...  I am
not sure if that means a Zorro 3 card or something else.  BTW,
don't say AA anymore,  its AGA for Advanced Graphics Architecture.

Ryan Brooks
2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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From: tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson)
Subject: Re: Amazing Prediction
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:07:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.055437.10772@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) writes:
>
>
>  If I were gambling, I'd place my bets on #1, #2, and #3. Marc will bash
>the AA chipset the hardest since is he has been fairly rabid about
>graphics capabilities.
>
>  No flame, I just wanted to get in some jabs before Marc posts his
>usual "As I have been predicting all along since 1981, Commodore has
>done X."
>

	The fact is that he is right. The A400 and the AA chipset are
just not good enough to capture a signifigant slice of the PC market.



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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:41:55 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>PLEASE. IDE is a whimpering horror, a mutant cross between SCSI and ST506,
>with some of the advantages of SCSI along with all the disadvantages of ST506.

>Actually, it's worse than ST506... at least with ST506 you can build a 4 drive
>controller (though you have to set the jumpers on the drive instead of using
>the twisted cable kludge).

  Arguing the technical merits of IDE is one thing, but the economical
advantages still can't be denied, it's cheaper, both on the motherboard and
for the user since the drives themselves are so widely avaialable.  Also, how
many people are going to need more than two drives?

  There's also the argument that while IDE is slower than SCSI, the addition of
directory caching will somewhat equalize this speed difference.

  And, if a SCSI-2 controller card gets into the mix, it solves the problem of
power users without penalizing those that have no need for such a high-end
controller.

  -jack-
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000T and Mac Quadra pricing
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:36:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:


>The thing you forgot to mention about the Quadras is that they have 
>transparent 24bit graphics built in.  I've heard of only one way to
>get transparent 24bit on the Amiga and its not even out yet.  Thats 
>by using the new GVP 24bit card, what is it called the EGS or 
>something.  But you can bet that this is going to cost an arm and 
>a leg and you can only use it if you have a GVP accelerator!!!
>Although i guess there is rumor they are developing a zorro III
>version, but the price restrint is still there. 

Make that "Quadra" w/o a "s" please.  The only Quadra which has 24bit gfx
builtin (I believe) is the Q950.  I am using a Q700 right now... unless 
Apple successfully makes the transparent 24bit transparent to a point
which the users don't see it (and cant use it) ;)...  I think not! :)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin (like using "transparent 24bit graphics" on a Q700). 

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Marc Barrett: an Amiga pioneer (was Re: More AmigaWorld Lies)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:06:01 GMT

In article <34959@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.110655.24316@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>   The Atari Lynx was loosely based on the Amiga chipset, in the same way
>>that the Amiga chipset is loosely based on the old Atari 400/800 chipset.  
>>All of these were designed by several of the same people, and to say that
>>the Amiga chipset and Lynx chip(s) are in no way related is preposterous.
>
>I believe you're still wrong.  Jay Miner was one of the main designers
>of the Antic chips (used in the Atari 400/800) and was the chief designer
>of the Amiga chipset.  The chips used in the Lynx were designed
>by Dave Needle, who was a hardware engineer (_not_ a chip designer)
>at Commodore-Amiga.   So the chips weren't designed by the same people.

   It wasn't Dave Needle alone.  Several of the others who were responsible
for the development of the Amiga were in on the development of the Lynx.
 
>(I also don't remember any words like 'loosely' in your original
>post;  what I remember was a diatribe about how stupid Commodore
>was to let Atari do the Lynx since it was based on the Amiga chipset)

   Actually, what my diatribe was all about was a flame that a small company
like Epix could develop a new Amiga-like chipset, but Commodore couldn't.

>>>	o	The solution for Commodore's CDROM problems is to pirate
>>>		the CBM's software and give it to "cracker" groups.
>>>		(Marc outdid himself on this one!)
>>
>>   I've also received more private agreements than disagreements on this one,
>>which is unusual.  People don't want to say so publicly for fear of being
>>labeled a pirate with me, but many people agree that Commodore is a liability
>>for the Amiga, and that freeing the Amiga of dependency on Commodore through
>>means such as this would be a good thing.
>
>On the other hand, perhaps other software pirates are smart enough not
>to publically declare their support for software piracy, and to attempt
>to get others to pirate software.

   I do not support software piracy.  This is a special case.  What I am
advocating is for the Amiga community to remove a product critical to the
Amiga's survival from Commodore's hands.  Since Commodore has refused to
develop this product, it is up to the Amiga community have it developed and
distributed for them.

>andy finkel		{uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy
>
>"OS/2 is the operating system for the next thousand great applications." -
> one of the things Bill Gates probably wishes he hadn't said.
>
>
>Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
>I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:50:18 GMT

In article <mykes.0dhm@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.140036.13856@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>> In <mykes.0ddu@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>> >Real-world reply:
>> >"Which one ray-traces faster?"
>>
>> DECStation 5000/240 ?

How is this DEC different from the 5000/200 models?  I've seen/used
those before,...the R3000s in them aren't that super.

>> SGI Crimson ?

Doesn't this one use the R4000?  Maybe the DEC 5000/240 does too?

>But you don't always get what you pay for :)
>
>> Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? 
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:22:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.144750.20126@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu
(Gregory G Greene) writes:

>        If the Amiga didn't get any IBM ports, there would be very few
>   games out there for it.  It seems to me that most Software Companies are 
>   originally developing games for the IBM PC not the Amiga.  Of course,
>   there are exceptions, like lemmings, but they are dwarfed by the number
>   of original games coming out for the IBM PC.

I tend to disagree. The games which Amiga users most abhor are those which
have been conceived on other platforms and ported. There are notable
exceptions, particularly Maxis, Microprose and Dynamix, but publishers
like Origin and Sierra have not done the platform proper justice.

In terms of quality and volume, I would also concur with Philip. When you
consider the size of the computer entertainment market (and the number
of companies involved in design and distribution), I don't see
a corresponding increase in the number of innovative products. Even the
much assailed "Wolfenstein 3D" from Apogee is merely an updated version
of the Muse C64/Apple release "Castle Wolfenstein." Like much of the
industry, the entertainment field has become commodity-oriented.

Mark

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  I WAS RIGHT!!!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:37:07 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <3721@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>>>For those people who have been on Marc B.'s back because of his
>>>attacks on Amiga World, Dionne said that there were between
>>>200-250 commodore dealers in the USA(dealer being a reseller who buys
>>>from C=, not a distributor).  That's a far cry from 1000.
>
>>   See all of you jerks who flamed me for saying that there couldn't possibly 
>>be 1000 Amiga dealers in the U.S.A. -- *** I WAS RIGHT***  !!!!
>
>  Not the way I read it.  There might only be 250 who deal directly with
>Commodore, but there are probably just as many who deal through Merisel and
>the other distributors.

And do they consider a country wide chain as 1 dealer?


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From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.083629.7134@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>
>Look, have you ever had a PC on a network?

Yes, PC-NFS, OS/2+TCP/IP

>CD-ROM drive?

Yes, SUN SCSI

>If it's so bloody easy you tell me why several PC types have IRQ and DMA
>and BIOS conflicts coming out of their ears. If alt you want to do is

Because most of them know squat about what they're doing, follow the *very*
basic intructions and you won't have a problem.

Let me ask you this, are you so hopeless you need *total* autoconfig?

>Philip McDunnough

matt.
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Robinson Follow Up Article
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:29:30 GMT

In article <65395@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:

>>Any indication as to whether or not he was aware of the A3000 or 2.0?
>Yes, but he indicated it didn't materially change his position on the
>Amiga and Commodore

It's amazing how someone can abandon all hope of journalistic integrity
just to ruffle a few feathers. For someone who was apparently quite
knowledgeable about the Amiga community, the least he could have done
is confirmed what he deemed to be 'facts'.

>>I'm sure many people may sympathize with his elements of constructive
>>criticism in the areas of hardware upgrades, marketing etc., but what
>>I found particularly offensive was the effort he took to belittle
>>the mentality of existing users. Most of us are equally knowlegeable
>>about alternative architectures and software bases. But the
>>'mushroom in the dark' condescension was entirely abrasive.

>Really? I didn't get that impression at all.

Perhaps statements like "If you own an Amiga, don't fret about this
news. You've adapted to living in the dark, being fed biodegradable
stories..." aren't condescending to you :).

Mark

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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:53:35 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>>	He's dreaming if he thinks the A4000 with IDE is competition for the
>>>  various 486 boxes out there that offer much more for the same price.
>>
>>You would have to compare the A4000 to an EISA 486 with a good graphics
>>card and sound card.  Most 1meg SVGA cards do not have the HiColor DAC
>>for more than 256 colors.  Of course, the 486 system will be a bit cheaper,
>>but the A4000 is not a clone.
>>
>>-- Gerald
>
>	There are quite a few SVGA cards out there that do more then 256
>   colors, take a look around.  If you want to compare EISA systems with 
>   the A4000 take a look at Gateway 2000's 486 50mhz system.  It has a lot
>   more for basically the same price.

Please.  I never said there were no SVGA cards capable of more than 256
colors.  Of course, the 486 system will be a bit cheaper, but the A4000
is not a clone.  The A4000 uses Commodore's custom technology.  Saying
the Gateway 2000 has a lot more is useless; it does not do the same things
as the A4000, such a run AmigaDOS.

-- Gerald
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