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From: kwyatt@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kershner Wyatt)
Subject: Re: Brass locos and painting
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 18:36:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.142504@axion.bt.co.uk> djenkins@axion.bt.co.uk (David Jenkins) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.145513.9586@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
>mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>is two-pack automotive primer.  It's a strange yellowish colour, very
>watery, and doesn't look like it would cover anything.  What it *does*

>these are difficult to buy outside of the auto repair trade as they're
>quite hazardous to use without proper protection.

The above "garish" yellow primer is sometimes called "Yellow Death" in
the States. Works well, but not the most safe stuff to use.  NAPA paint
shops should carry it nationwide.  These shops are also really good for 
automotive paints and thinners.  I have nothing but praise for the color
mixing and matching ability of the shop near my workplace.

I use them for good quality metal paints over the other sources of paint.

Each to their own...



-- 
Kershner Wyatt
kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com

My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's.
From: sdm@pyramid.Corp.Sun.COM (Scott Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: HO Train and Accessories Quality
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:39:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pyramid.corp.sun.com

In article <XNBNwB1w164w@stauff.UUCP> ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff) writes:
>abrown@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>
>> Hi out there! I'm new to the net and also just getting back into model rail-
>> roading. Need some advice. For the quality and the money, what are some brand
>> names to begin with as for as trains and acccessories are concerned? Also, an
>> good suggestions on a beginning layout. And last but not least, what are some
>> of the better magazines, mail order companies, and where can I get videos.
>
>You'll hear all this from others, but here's my 2 cents:
>
>DON'T use brass track.  Use nickel silver only.  Peco has a very good
>reputation (I use their switches in N scale).
>
>Bachmann locos are generally junk, though some recent additions to their
>line may be changing this trend.  Kato locos are generally excellent (at least
>in N scale).  Athearn locos used to have a really good rep until Kato came
>along.  I think Athearn has only suffered by comparison to newer better
>technologies; they still seem to give very good bang for the buck.
>

Just a nit but, I think it needs to be pointed out that while
Kato/Atlas does make a higher quality loco, they also charge for
it.  Typically, Athearn locos cost about 1/2 to 1/3 that of the
Kato/Atlas line.
--


...Scott
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From: jsm@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (John Scott McCauley Jr.)
Subject: complicated switchwork in N scale?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:10:03 GMT

Who makes the best 3-way and double-switch switches in N scale?

Any as good as regular Peco switches?

	Scott
From: tysko@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (John E. Tysko)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: K-line beacon tower help
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:10:21 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens


  My son received some money for Christmas, and promptly 
went to the hobby store to buy something for his new Lionel.
One of the things he bought was a K-line rotating beacon tower
(the read and green lights they use at airports). The problem
is, it won't rotate. I ballanced the lenses so they don't
drag, and used graphite on the top of the bulb to reduce 
the friction, but it still wont turn. Can anyone give me a
hint on how to get it to spin?

Thanks.

John


one that they 
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From: stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: looking for comments on airbrushes
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:49:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

In article <1993Jan4.191349.8570@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (william.e.yoder) writes:

>In article <930104132512@d-cell.ftp.com>, stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles) writes:
>
>> 
>> thanx for the info. the new MR (the one with the SP GP-60 on the cover) has
>> a review of the new accu-flex paint. not long, but interesting. the key
>> seems to be simple, use nothing but water with the paint. they said it turns
>> into something like jelly if you mix other things with it . . . 
>> 
>> 
>I have used the Accu-flex paint several times and it can be a bitch to 
>clean out of a Badger 200. It seems to stick too well inside the airbrush,
>during operation, so that cleaning it becomes tough. Anyone else have this
>problem? 
>


they also mention cleaning it quickly after you are done. they (sorry to
keep refering to the article, i have not made this plunge yet, but am
leaning over the edge trying to judge how far down it is:) talk about how
quick the drying time is (on the order of 30 minutes), maybe this is the
problem? 
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From: darohn@giganext (Douglas A Rohn)
Subject: Re: Sources for electrical parts?
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:56:10 GMT

In article <45460027@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> js@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Sawyer)  
writes:
> 
> Years ago, when I had occasion to order some electronic parts for a
> project, I dealt with the a order firm by the name of "Jameco
> Electronics" who, at the time and for what I wanted, was the most
> reasonable source.  Now I would like to get a current catalog of
> theirs to see how their prices stack up against others, like Digi-Key.
> Does anyone have their address or (preferably) an 800 number where
> they can be reached?  I tried 800 directory assistance; they're not
> listed.
> 

The latest (Sept/Oct 1992) Digi-Key catalog I have lists:

Digi-Key Corp.
701 Brooks Ave. South
P.O. Box 677
Theif River Falls, MN  56701-0677
Order line: (800) 344-4539

from the Jameco (1993 Annual Catalog):

Jameco Electronic Components/Computer Products
1355 Shoreway Road
Belmont, CA 94002
Order line: (800) 831-4242

I have not ordered from either, just get the catalogs.

Doug Rohn
darohn@giganext.lerc.nasa.gov
(216)433-3325
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From: afsidgb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Gerard Burridge)
Subject: Re: All about Kadees
Reply-To: afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.CA
Organization: Environment Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:12:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.145419.16288@uc.msc.edu>, wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris) writes:
|> Have you ever wondered which Kadee coupler was the "correct" one for your
|> application?  Are you confused by the many Kadee coupler model numbers?
|> Well, I'm going to try to help sort this out a little for you.
|> 
|> Let me start by saying that on my HO rolling stock, I have never used
|> anything but a Kadee #5 coupler.  This is mainly because of philosophy
|> -- I prefer to file, shim, cut, drill, or tap to make a #5 work.  However,
|> I also have had the opportunity to work with those who prefer to have one
|> of each type of Kadee coupler and find the "best" one for the job. 
|> 

.....(deleted)

Writing to Kadee will get you back a MUCH updated version of the
conversion chart in the Walthers catalogue, plus other 'informative'
material.


 Gerry Burridge                        afsidgb@cid.aes.doe.ca
 Canadian Meteorological Centre        Tel.: 514-421-4646
 2121 North Service Road - #404        Fax.: 514-421-4639
 Dorval, Que.  -  H9P 1J3
From: ed@stauff.UUCP (Edward L. Stauff)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Loco wobbles on track.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 21:46:32 EST
Organization: Minstrelsy & Lutherie

dave@auspost.com.au (Dave Cole) writes:

> I just recently bought a Bachmann (sp?) locomotive.  The wheels seem
> to be slightly too narrow for the track - this is just annoying when
> on normal track - but when going through turnouts at low speeds it
> stops at the frog.  If I push the loco from the side towards the
> outside of the turnout it makes contact again and continues.
> 
> My question is; is there any way to make the wheels match the guage of
> the track?

My suggestion: return the locomotive as defective, then save your pennies
and buy a loco with a Kato mechanism.  You don't mention the scale, but
for N scale, the Atlas RS-1 and F-something are both excellent.  Bachmann
is, generally speaking, garbage.

(Sorry if my suggestion annoys you; it wasn't meant to.)


=============================================================================
Edward L. Stauff, Nashua NH; ed@stauff.UUCP *or* uunet!mv.com!gozer!stauff!ed
        "Specialization is for insects." -- Lazarus Long
From: gregg@pinot.zehntel.com (Gregg Fuhriman)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Request: Viewing sites
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:23:29 GMT
Reply-To: gregg@pinot.UUCP (Gregg Fuhriman)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Zehntel, Inc. Walnut Creek, CA

In article <1icimeINNgmd@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> maral@repare.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>Can anyone tell me where  is the best area to observe train activity in
>the Bay Area?

Get some maps of the Bay Area from CSAA ... they show almost all of the rail
lines.  Do some exploring to find where the yards are and where good viewing
spots are.  Unfortunately, there really isn't a "hotspot" per se in this area.

Most frequent action would be the Caltrain line up the Penninsula, although
this gets repetitive real fast.  Try the ends of the system, where the trains
terminate:  San Jose Cahill street station, and S.F. station at 4th & Townsend.
Some trains run down to Gilroy too.

There is the UP line through Niles Canyon and then up to Oakland, which follows
BART most of the way.  The San Jose branch heads south from Niles Junction in
Fremont ... there is a yard in Mipitas.

SP has yards in Oakland, South Fremont, and Santa Clara, although the latter is
nearly vacant.  Their Coast Route comes up from Gilroy along US101 and CA82
(Monterey Hwy), then up the East Bay to Oakland.  From there the main line
follows San Pablo Bay around to Crockett and Martinez, where it crosses the
Carquinez Straits toward Fairfield and Sacramento.  There's lots of other lines.

ATSF has a big yard in Richmond.  Their main line heads east through Pinole
and the Franklin Canyon, then through Port Chicago toward Stockton.

Amtrak runs trains on SP lines, with everything bottlenecking through
Oakland where trains are serviced.  If you like Amtrak, Martinez is the place
to go, as ALL Amtrak trains through the Bay Area pass through this town.

>
>Also, where are HO layouts in the Bay Area that are open to the public?
>I heard quite awhile back that there is a really nice one in Concord but
>that is all I know about it.

	Find a good model rr shop and ask, they may be able to provide
	directions and visiting schedules for local model rr clubs.

	There is the Diablo Lines model rr in Walnut Creek.  It is located
	in Larkey Park on Buena Vista street.  I think they are open to
	the public the last Friday of each month.

	I also know there is a model rr in the old Agnew station in San Jose.
	This is on Lafayette street, south of Alviso.  Don't know when they're
	open for visitors.

	There is the Golden Gate rr club in San Francisco ... its been a long
	time since I was there and I don't remember exactly where it is.

	There is a new layout being built in Richmond, but again I don't
	have any further info. on that club.

					Have fun, Gregg Fuhriman
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From: rhorner@ugly.UVic.CA (Roger  Horner)
Subject: Re: new command control system ads
Keywords: Lenz
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:55:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.153234.1464@linus.mitre.org> sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames) writes:
>
>Expect to see more advertisers in the next year.  I am pleased to report that 
>10 manufacturers are now on board supporting the draft NMRA standard.
>

Does anyone know the technical details about this NMRA standard?  I would like
to design my own controller.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Horner (rhorner@sirius.UVic.ca)                    University of Victoria
4th Year Electrical Engineering Student                  Victoria, BC, Canada
              If you don't like my spelling, use a real dictionary!
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: wllarso@sandia.gov (William L Larson)
Subject: "G" scale newbie questions
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:27:01 GMT

I have some questions about "G" scale trains.  I am a complete novice
about model railroading and hope to get some information.  I have read
the FAQ and found the section on G scale helpful, but not enough.

Who manufactures G scale engines/cars?  I know of LGB, Bachman, and
Lionel.  Any other good/bad companies?  Are catalogs available
somewhere?  (Are the catalogs worthwhile?)

I am definitely interested in getting "good" equipment which will 
maintain some value over the years.  I don't want to buy junk which
will immediately depreciate to $0 as soon as I leave the shop.  But
at the same time, I am not a "collector" who has bushels of cash
to dispose of.  From the FAQ, Bachman engines and stock are called
"OK".  How good of a value is it?  What IS good?  Any comments?

Will equipment from the various manufacturers work together?  Does
everyone use a "standard" G guage track (some get identified as Gn3,
others seem to me to be standard guage).?  If the track guage is the
same, is the profile/shape standard?  Are couplers standard between
manufacturers?  Is the power standard (I saw a similar question dealing
with HO and N scale)?

Any recommendations about mail order suppliers?  Horror stories and
praises both wanted.

If anyone is interested, I can summarize what I find.

For anyone who has continued this far, thank you.  The reason for my
interest was an article in Sunset magazine a few months ago.  There was
a description of a couple that built a shelf about a foot below the
ceiling of their son's room (circling the room) which they used to set
up a G scale train on an over sized oval.  Neat idea.  I have a two year
old and am interested in doing a similar setup for him.  He LOVES trains,
both real and models (right now he is playing with a Fisher Price set -
an HO set will come later, for all the kids in the family, mainly he
and dad).
From: myers@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Tom R. Myers)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:46:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Sources for electrical parts?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

If your travels ever take you out here to the bay area,
you would do well to check out Haltek Electronics, in
Mountain View, CA. It is a very large warehouse type store
of new/used/surplus everything electrical and electronic.

The place on the other side of the parking lot, Test Lab,
does the same for test equipment.

Every once in a while, these places hold a parking lot
sale, and every electron head for 100 miles seems to show
up for the tons of good stuff cheap.


trm
From: phys58@jetson.uh.edu (Hortvet, Douglas Richard)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Steam Engine Identification - Great Northern 'Empire Builder'
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:05 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hello,

I am trying to identify the steam engine used on Great Northern's Empire 
Builder. Additionally, can someone advise if there is an HO model of this 
engine currently marketed?

What would be a good reference resource for this type information?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Doug
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: mckiou@cbnewse.cb.att.com (kevin.w.mckiou)
Subject: Smoke
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:56:18 GMT


I'm building a small wind tunnel for flow visualization around
small models.  I have a reference that indicates model train
smoke oil is a good choice for a smoke generator fluid.  Local hobby
shops  do stock this item, but it seems rather expensive. What is
this fluid?  Is there a inexpensive substitute?

Kevin 
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: maclean@cs.mcgill.ca (Matthew SAMS)
Subject: Correction: Stores in San Diego
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:51:43 GMT

Hi,
	A slight correction to my post on stores in San Diego.
The hotel I'm staying at is on Hotel Circle North not University
Circle North.  As if this will make any difference :-)
		Matthew Sams
		maclean@cs.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: tarumph@uncc.edu (Timothy Allen Rumph)
Subject: Re: Holding down rails * ties
Reply-To: tarumph@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:38:24 GMT

In article 726252622@vincent2.iastate.edu, s_fuller@iastate.edu (Steve Fuller) writes:
>I was wondering a few things before I start working on my first
>serious layout:
>
>I was thinking of using premade track instead of laying my own
>ties and rails. What is the best way to hold the track down? Can
>it be done using just glue and ballast, or is there another
>preferred way?
>
>If I use premade track, is there an easy way to get rid of the
>ugly end ties that companies like atlas usually use???

Use flex track. Microengineering is very good, but rather expensive and not very flexable. They have codes 70, 55, and 40 in N.

>
>Would a better method, from a realism standpoint, I don't mind if
>this takes a long time to build, be to handlay my own track and
>use commercial turnouts??

The ME flextrack looks better than anything handlaid. This is not so for switches. They all look cluncky next to the ME flextrack - tie size and spacing is much larger. This can be hidden somewhat with ballast. Turnouts can be handlaid by either gluing the rails to the ties with Pliobond or using PC board ties and soldering them. PC board ties and wooden ties are availble from Clover House (see the RR mags. for address.) Flex track can also be glued with Pliobond, and this is availble from MicroEngineering

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From: johnh@borland.com (John Haskey)
Subject: Re: Request: Viewing sites (Bay Area)
Originator: johnh@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:29:23 GMT

Re: Roaring Camp and Big Trees...

They run two ex Santa Fe CF-7's to the Santa Cruz Boardwalk during the summer.
Last season, one was still in SF colors ( Blue/Yellow) the other painted for
the Santa Cruz, Big Trees, and Pacific Railroad.

The line up Bear Mountain has an 8% grade, not 18% as mentioned in a prior 
post.
								---john.
-- 
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"...there are at least 9 Redwood Drives in Santa Cruz county, plus 5 Roads, 
4 Avenues, 3 Places, 3 Streets, 2 Terraces, 2 Ways, and 1 each of a Lane and
a Circle, all, presumably named for the Redwood Tree." -S.C. County Place Names
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad,rec.railroad
From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: WISE Div., NMRA January 17 Meet in Milwaukee, Wis.
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 19:35:20 GMT


For those of you in the Milwaukee/Chicago area, the next meet of the
Wisconsin Southeastern (WISE) Division of the National Model Railroad
Association (NMRA) will be January 17 at the Best Western's Midway
Motor Lodge - Airport at 5105 S. Howell Ave. across from Mitchell
International Airport in Milwaukee. The meet is free and open to the
public and will include a popular vote contest with prizes (contest
open to non-members), map-guided layout tours, and a free swap area.
And there is plenty of free parking. The schedule, subject to change
without notice, is as follows:
 
12:30 p.m.   Doors open. Contest registration until 1:30.
 
1-1:45 p.m.  Soft Foam Scenery
             Bill Salvadori demonstrates his technique for
             making "crushable" scenery for use along layout
             aisles. (demonstration)
 
             Railfanning with Cecil
             Dick Cecil reviews his travels along the GB&W and
             Western Maryland Scenic Railway. (slide)
 
2-2:25 p.m.  Foam Based Scenery
             Dean Bransted shows how to use foam for ground
             cover and tree foliage on a Styrofoam base.
             (demonstration)
 
             Motive Power Maintenance
             Terry Piaskowski presents some helpful  insight on
             how to tune up your brass and plastic locomotives.
 
3-3:45 p.m.  North Shore P Milwaukee south
             Tom Matola returns to show us the North Shore Line
             which ended service on January 20, 1963. (slide)
             Video taping of this clinic will not be permitted.
 
             British Lines Recently Visited
             Phil Talmage shows us highlights from his travels
             on rail lines in Great Britain and Scotland.
             (slide)
 
4-6 p.m.     Map-guided layout tours (maps distributed at 4 p.m.)
 
 Some of the clinics will be in a room with theater-style seating.
 
 To get to the Midway Motor Lodge, exit I-94 from either the north or
south at the Airport Spur. Exit the spur at Howell Ave. and turn left
(north). The MML will be on your left about a block to the north.
 
For more information about the meet contact Mike Bauers at
(414)871-3945 or reply to me here.
 Joe Russ
 WISE Div., NMRA
 
Advertisement: For a schedule of other railroad and model railroad
events in the Milwaukee area, see the Hobby Zone on the Safe Harbor
BBS (414)548-8140.
-- 
Joe.Russ@mixcom.com
WISE Div., NMRA
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Mixed gauge trackwork
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:20:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.railroad
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


Does anyone know a source of mixed gauge OO/OOn9 trackwork, e.g. 
crossings?

(OO is equivalent to HO; OOn9 is 4mm/ft scale, 9mm gauge.)

Ken Johnson
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: stevray@stsci.edu (Don Stevens-Rayburn)
Subject: Re: Software tool for pike layout
Originator: stevray@sol.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:01:51 GMT


I purchased Design Your Own RR a few months ago and played with it for several
hours.  As a toy simulation game it's pretty rudimentary.  As a serious tool
for designing a real layout, it is pretty much useless IMHO.  The net effect
is that I decided that the disk space was more important.  I'll be happy to 
sell it to anyone for, say $20 (I paid $39).

I also have access to DesignCAD which, as the original poster said about AutoCAD,
is overkill.  The end result is that I am writing my own design program.  The
program runs under MS-Windows and is about 80% complete.  The current version 
will handle N-scale only but I intend to expand it to other scales.  When I get
it to a usable form, I intend to use it to design my "dream" layout.  I will
also post it to CICA as freeware.

Don
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