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From: wheeler@clipper.edsg.hac.com (Bob Wheeler ird)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: DECWindows questions...
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: wheeler@clipper.UUCP (Bob Wheeler ird)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

I have just started working with DECWindows* (after a few years of Motif* on a
SUN*).  Two things frustrate/puzzle me.

(1) How do you bring a DECterm up on a remote server. We have logins limited to
    two on our DEC system.  I get invalid parameter errors when I try to run
    sys$system.

(2) What is XUI. Who supports and maintains the standard.  Should I use this
    instead of Motif (for a large program written already in XUI).  How do
    I mix Motif and XUI?


		thanks for any suggestions.

			Bob Wheeler.


* Consider this a copyright/trademark/whatever.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Differences between X11R4, Motif 1.1 and X11R5, Motif1.2???
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:05:06 GMT
Organization: VMark Software, Inc.

The subject says it all folks.  Does anyone have a list of the major
differences between the two.. i.e., what was fixed, what major changes
were made, etc...

Also, any information on advice for porting would be greatly appreciated
as well.  

Help!!!



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David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: joe@Veritas.COM (Joe Fasano)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xwd Image dumps
Summary: xor of xwd image dump files
Keywords: xwd  image dumps
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:38:52 GMT
Distribution: comp.windows.x
Organization: VERITAS Software


Does anyone know of a utility that xor's 2
xwd image dumps and puts the output to a new
image dump.  This would be useful for comparing
2 image dumps for testing.

joe@veritas.com
Veritas Software
Santa Clara, CA.


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon)
Subject: Re: Logitech 3-button mouse with MacX
Reply-To: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon)
Organization: CMP Publications, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:16:48 GMT
Keywords: mouseman 3-button mouse logitech

In article <BzB5EH.2BG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kerr@ronald-ann.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Stan Kerr) writes:
> The mouse is a 3-button mouse with a standard ADB plug. The plug has a 'pass 
> through' connection so that other ADB devices, e.g. the old mouse, can be 
attached to 
> it. In fact, 
>  my old mouse is attached through it and still works fine. 
> 

I've been using the Logitech MouseMan with (MouseKey software ) for about a 
month now, almost exclusively in graphics applications (limited desk space 
around my RasterOps and IIfx). I particularly enjoy the programmable keys; I'm 
set up for double-click on the middle key and click-lock on the right. 
    When others have to use my machine, though, they get crazy trying to relearn 
mousing and we plug in the old Mac mouse on the pass-through. This invariably 
kills the MouseKey software, even after reboot, and I have to unplug the Mac 
mouse to regain my three-fingered functionality..
(Also: I'm getting used to drawing with my thumb, but it's starting to ache....)

Humble Typesetter
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.ms,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: scottm@cscns.com (Scott McKinsey)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP and X under MS Windows 3.1?
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:22:14 GMT

act@sun.ipl.rpi.edu (just another programmer) writes:
: I am very curious about people's experiences running TCP/IP software
: under Win 3.1.  I am contemplating putting an Xserver onto a machine running 
: Win 3.1 and connecting it to a Unix host to run Unix apps over the net.
: 
: So  what kind of experiences have people had and/or recommendations.  I've only
: just begun tis so if there is any recommended reading that would also be
: appreciated.
: 
: Thanks
: Grant
ditto
From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: setting DISPLAY env variable
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:22:10 GMT
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35
Originator: markus@octavia


In article <1gmgnoINN4bu@sol.deakin.OZ.AU>, rns@deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Sturrock) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> is there a way to set the DISPLAY variable to be the particular workstation
> you are using inside ".bashrc".  That is, I want every new xterm, for
> whatever host I happen to be logging into, to have DISPLAY set to my
> workstation.  Note that my workstation will vary, so I can't just
> hardwire
> 
> 	export DISPLAY=workstation:0.0
> 
> inside my .bashrc file.

Dunno about bash. The following works for me under (t)csh - I put it
in the global csh.cshrc file. NB Some programs just check DISPLAY is
set to see if you are on an X display. Naughty. Leave it to the users
to decide... :-)

Anyway:

# Take a bash at guessing what to set DISPLAY to..
set FDISP = `who am i | awk -F\( '{print $2}' | awk -F\) '{printf("%s:0",$1)}'`
alias setdisp "setenv DISPLAY $FDISP"

Nice and simple. Problems: (i) You have to type 'setdisp' (ii) automatically
doing it screws users on VT type devices (iii) Some people have
consoles in their office which they basically use as Xterminals, using another
machine as their server. If they then (on THAT machine) login somewhere else, 
the above picks up the server rather than their console.

I'm sure there's a nicer way to do it, but "it works for me" (tm) :-)

Markus
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: thomax@uropax.contrib.de (Thomas Kaulmann)
Subject: trouble with xmodmap
Organization: Contributed Software GbR
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:28:13 GMT

hi,
i still stuck in the problem to assign an alt key combination
with xmodmap. i've tried to assign the at-sign (@) to the alt-q
combination using this statement:

% xmodmap -
keycode 61 q Q at
<EOF>

whats wrong with that??
i use the x11r5 environment on a sparc 2. please, please help me!!!

thomax
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From: joagre@London.docs.uu.se (Joakim Greben|)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: XtGrabPointer(): Limit events to *one* window...
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:36:56 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: london.docs.uu.se

Is it possible to let only *one* window register events
ie nothing should happen if I try to operate on any other
window in my application?
 
Help! Is this possible?
 
Thanks in advance...
 
--
Joakim Greben| (joagre@student.docs.uu.se)
Uppsala University (Sweden)
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. McCoy)
Subject: Re: Why do people call it X-windowS?
Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:20:14 GMT

In article 1gnl7pINNcue@uakari.primate.wisc.edu, bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) writes:
|>From article <1992Dec16.142232.25225@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, by mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. McCoy):
|>> In article 598@lth.se, jh@efd.lth.se (Joergen Haegg) writes:
|>> |>In article stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf) writes:
|>> |>|> The quote you are looking for is by Jim Fulton, if I remember correctly
|>> |>|> and it is:
|>> |>|> 
|>> |>|> "It is a window system called X, not a system called X Windows"
|>> |>
|>> |>Where can I find this quote?
|>> |>I remember seeing it in some X-source or X-manual, but I've forgotten 
|>> |>where.
|>> 
|>> Are we bored or WHAT?  In the file .../mit/README-R4 at the bottom.
|>> The quote is, "It's a window system named X, not a system names X Window."

Okay, okay, I'm so-o-o-o sorry.  I mispelled named and put names instead.

|>
|>Well, both of the above misquote the quote.  Maybe I'll be the third:
|>
|>	"It's a window system named X, not a system named X Window."
|>
|>By the way, the quote is also found in mit/README from X11R3.
From: rns@deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Sturrock)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: setting DISPLAY env variable
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:01:28 +1100
Organization: Deakin University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.deakin.oz.au

Hello,

is there a way to set the DISPLAY variable to be the particular workstation
you are using inside ".bashrc".  That is, I want every new xterm, for
whatever host I happen to be logging into, to have DISPLAY set to my
workstation.  Note that my workstation will vary, so I can't just
hardwire

	export DISPLAY=workstation:0.0

inside my .bashrc file.

Thanks


Rob
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: vidya-v@acsu.buffalo.edu (vidyaranya)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: tek4014 with xterm: how?
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:43:27 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: vidya-v@beatrix.eng.buffalo.edu


1) I have a package which gives some plots which can be displayed in
the Tek window. However, I am unable to get rid of the prompt that
appears on the Tek window. I would like to have ONLY the plot in the
window. How do I do this? In case it helps, the package is PISCES-II,
from Stanford. The documentation supplied with the package is _so_bad_
considerable juggling had to be done to get anything out on the Tek window.

2) Is it possible to give the command from the xterm, but see the drawing
in the Tek window?

3) Also, is it possible to get a postscript plot of whatever is seen in the 
tek window?

4) The Xterm man page says that the Tek window emulates a Tek 4014 terminal.
If my package supports a Tek 4107 terminal, is there ANY way I can let the 
package _know_ that the terminal is a 4014, and not a 4107?

I would really appreciate any responses.

Thanks.

Vidyaranya
From: reynolds@yin.ucsd.edu (Andy Reynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Postscript in a window
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:21:58 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: yuan.ucsd.edu
Keywords: postscript window
Originator: reynolds@yuan

I am looking for a widget that will take a postscript file and display it in
a window within one of my programs.  I thought possibly the Athena Plotter
widget set would have one, but it only has a function to write postscript
files, not read and display them.  Does anyone know of a widget that will 
display postscript files?  I'm working on a Sparc with X11R5 and Motif 1.2.
Thanks for any help.

	Andy Reynolds
	reynolds@yin.ucsd.edu
From: tmk@mayo.edu (Tom Kinter)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Left handed users and X-windows
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:36:41 GMT
Reply-To: tmk@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic/Foundation Rochester MN Campus

In article 17271@astro.as.utexas.edu, anita@astro.as.utexas.edu (Anita Cochran) writes:
>In article <BzBL0H.4Ao@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, brenner@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David L. Brenner) writes:
>> I am using X11 release 5 on a Sun workstation and have a number of users
>> that are left handed.  
>> Is there any way to change the configuration of the mouse to allow for
>> left-handed people to use the mouse in this fashion?

>I don't understand this question.  I am right-handed but because of the 
>clutter to the right of my keyboard, I keep the mouse on the left side
>of my keyboard and use my left hand.  Took a few days to get used
>to and most people think it is weird but it works fine.  I don't see why
>a left-handed user couldn't run the mouse on the left side too.  Nothing
>needs to be changed.  The left button is still the left button, etc.
>Am I missing something here or is the answer trivial?

I think it is desirable to provide for left-handed use of the mouse with the select-button (most often used) underneath the finger one most naturally points with - the index finger. I think for greatest flexibility, one should be able to map the
buttons however they wish, say in the Xdefaults. Is this posssible?
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From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Looking for skilled X hacker to help fix Xlife
Date: 10 Dec 92 15:14:42 GMT
Distribution: world
Validation-Errors: snark=7Pl3VC721COt8BPgNm3mSL5T

A couple years back I got my hands on the source to Xlife 2.0 (the last version
publicly released, to my knowledge) and made quite a few improvents --- on-line
help, improved commands, a better pattern-loading facility.

What I was really after, though, was to generalize Xlife into a program capable
of handling table-driven cellular automata with more than 2 states (retaining
the original fast code for the 2-state case).  The Codd automaton, Wireworld,
things like that.  I did most of the coding for this.

Trouble is, the display didn't work.  The program refused to display colored
cells at scales above 1 pixel per cell.  After some back-and-forth with the
two original authors (a pair of CMU students who've since dropped out of sight
and no longer answer email at the addresses I have) we arrived at the theory
that my X server (an archaic X11R3) was buggy.

So there it lay for many months.  Now I have a fast X11R5 --- and the program
fails in a *completely different* way.  Now it will display cells at scales
above 1, but not at scale 1 --- the opposite of the previous behavior.  And
it's prone to core-dumps.

I hasten to add that the 2-state B&W case, ordinary Life, works beautifully.  I
didn't break that --- matter of fact I've sped it up a good deal.  The problem
is solely in the program's interaction with X when color is used to indicate
cell states.

With this posting, I am formally crying uncle.  X has baffled and defeated
me.  I'm an expert C/UNIX programmer and I'm normally very good at picking
up new interfaces quickly, but X's is sufficiently complex and this enough
of a heisenbug that I can't get a grip on it.

Rather than sit on the Xlife code for another year hoping for lightning to
strike, I'm looking for an good X hacker to help me figure out just what in
the bleedin' hell is wrong and fix it so we can release Xlife 3.0 and let
*everybody* have the improvents I made.

Any volunteers?  Reply by email, please.
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: X client that sits & waits SUMMARY (switching mwm<->twm)
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:43:36 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <1992Dec14.131654.21870@fwi.uva.nl>, wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO)) writes:

> I got several replies, most of them pointing to small programs that
> pop up a little one-button menu, which exits when it is pushed.
> Those are:

> NAME	FTP-SITE		DIR		POINTED BY
> killme	larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu	/X/		mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu

Um, no.  killme ignores all keyboard and pointer events; you have to
kill it off by some other means, typically with whatever window manager
you happen to be running at the time.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: bernward@moepi.do.open.de (Bernward Averwald)
Subject: Re: Why do people call it X-windowS?
Organization: Home
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:25:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.195043.8442@midway.uchicago.edu> ejw1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I remember reading somewhere that the creators of X cringed everytime they 
>heard someone refer to the windowing system as 'X-windows', instead of 
>simply 'X-window'.  Does anybody have a reference for the quote?  Is there any 
>other source for pointing out to people the error of their ways?

Yes, there is (RTFM):

$ man X11

...
     The X Consortium requests that the following names  be  used
     when referring to this software:
 
                                  X
                           X Window System
                             X Version 11
                     X Window System, Version 11
                                 X11

...


Bernward
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: new FAQ? (programming) masking Pixmaps *efficiently*
Keywords: Pixmap, mask, bitmap, graphic context
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:29:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.152852.2528@miki.pictel.com>, oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.180230.10091@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard) writes:

>> Since my application will have arbitrarily-sized images, I decided
>> that I would use the clip_mask.
> Good call!

In a conceptual sense, yes.  This is what clip-masks are for: clipping.
Unfortunately,

> Der Mouse wrote:
>> The server in question is probably doing the common thing and
>> converting clip-masks to rectangle lists.
> This is done, behind your back, in the server.

Yes...but the choice of this implementation means that clip-masks that
don't decompose nicely into rectangles will be expensive to set and
somewhat expensive to use.

This implementation of clipping made sense in R3, before SHAPE, when
most clipping regions were the union of a few rectangles, though even
then, using it for client-specified GC clip masks (which are reasonably
likely to be complex) strikes me as at least questionable, requiring
further examination and thought.

>> Must I retain all graphics commands and re-issue them when an area
>> of the window is exposed?
> In general, yes, you must.

Well, you can use a pixmap to cache the results of the drawing on the
server.  This has its price, of course: slower drawing (because you
have to draw to both the window and the pixmap) and memory use.

>> I had planned on retaining a pixmap with the window contents for
>> this purpose.
> OK, but all drawing will have to take place first to the window, then
> to the pixmap.

Well, you could draw to the pixmap first - it makes no difference, as
long as you don't copy from one to the other in between drawing
something to one and drawing it to the other.

> X gives you no reliable way to copy stuff from the window to the
> pixmap in such a way that the pixmap is a true copy of the window.

I wonder if it would be worthwhile to provide a way to tell the server
"here's a pixmap, use it as if it were backing-store for this
window"...might be worth thinking about.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: u438813@imux120.ncu.edu.tw (Lin Wei-Ting)
Subject: Set background color.
Reply-To: u438813@imux120.ncu.edu.tw
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:34:20 GMT

dpy=(Display *)xv_get(canvas_paint_window(obj),XV_DISPLAY);
gc=DefaultGC(dpy,DefaultScreen(dpy));
XSetBackground(dpy,gc,pixvalue=(unsigned long)XGetPixel(ximage,k,j));
I use the function to set a canvas background color but failed.Why?

thanks a lot.
From: ejw1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Why do people call it X-windowS?
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:22:50 GMT
Reply-To: ejw1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Academic and Public Computing

In article <1992Dec16.092825.25666@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec15.195043.8442@midway.uchicago.edu>, ejw1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl) writes:
>|> I remember reading somewhere that the creators of X cringed everytime they 
>|> heard someone refer to the windowing system as 'X-windows', instead of 
>|> simply 'X-window'.  Does anybody have a reference for the quote?  Is there any 
>|> other source for pointing out to people the error of their ways?
>
>You aren't right, either.
>You should call it X Window System or X oder X11. That's it.

You're right.  I meant to say 'simply 'X windowing system''.  My mistake.

>The quote you are looking for is by Jim Fulton, if I remember correctly
>and it is:
>
>"It is a window system called X, not a system called X Windows"

I'm not sure that's the quote I remember, either, but it's good enough.

>I dunno if this still is true, but someone mentioned some time ago, there
>is a company in the US selling a product called Xwindows, which has nothing
>to do with X at all.

I think you're right.  I believe it's a X server for machines running
MS Windows.  I saw an ad for it recently in one of the pc magazines.

>Ciao
>	\Maex
>-- 
>______________________________________________________________________________
> Markus Stumpf                        Markus.Stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE 

Eric

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From: lostboy@stein.u.washington.edu (Shaun Leach)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: X Toolkit/Motif vs. X Primitives
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:39:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec17.203946.8562
Organization: University of Washington

I've noticed that most programs for X windows are written
using the X Window Primitives, as opposed to the toolkit
or motif.  Does anyone have any insight as to why this is.
Ease of use? Portability?

                                     Shaun
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: md@sco.COM (Michael Davidson)
Subject: Re: Why do people call it X-windowS?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:56:40 GMT


dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith) writes:

>>      The X Consortium requests that the following names  be  used
>>      when referring to this software:
>>  
>>                                   X
>>                            X Window System
>>                              X Version 11
>>                      X Window System, Version 11
>>                                  X11

>	It's such a silly name with almost Zero meaning.  I wish it
>had been called "NetWindows", which is a lot more descriptive of what
>it can do.  "X" sounds so damn mysterious, like something out of James
>Bond.  I can buy the theory though, that nobody ever expected X to
>be so successful, and that a better name would have been chosen
>if that had been forseen.

It's called X because it was to some extent inspired by W (a windowing
system that ran on V) ...

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: shmdgljd@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jay Schmidgall)
Subject: Q: Wcl2.3 experimental external interface?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:14:38 GMT
Reply-To: jay@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester, MN

I'm looking for more information about the experimental external interface
mentioned in Wcl23.Announce.

A colleague of mine created a handy tool called ``mish'' (Motif Interface
SHell) based on tcl 4.0 and wcl 1.06, I believe.  It was used to prototype
a lot of interfaces but those interfaces were eventually rewritten in C and
mish ended up laying on the shelf.

I'm hoping I can get it working with wcl2.3 and tcl 6.4 and then run it
by the lawyers to make it available on the net, or to just at least get it
up to date with the latest releases of each.  I am wondering whether
these external interfaces might be of use in this task, but I can't seem
to really find them :(.

Thanks in advance for any information.

-- 
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: shmdgljd@rchland.vnet.ibm.com    (c) Copyright 1992.  All rights reserved.
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