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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:08:07 GMT

greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:
: In article <1992Oct7.231320.15616@u.washington.edu> batboy@carson.u.washington.edu (Thomas Radke) writes:
: >
: >The BoR was written that way for a reason.  No one should be kept from
: >doing whatever they want, as long as they don't do it to others.  Ie drugs.
: >It also means, you can't force a private citizen to hire anyone they do
: >not wish to hire.  If i had more time I'd go off.  But I don't.
: 
: I guess you agree, then, that employers are entitled to require sexual favors
: in order to grant employment, that they should freely be able to discriminate
: on any basis, including race, color, creed, religion, etc., and that they
: should be able to use public whippings as a disciplinary measure (provided
: that their employess agree to this upon being hired--of course, they won't
: be hired if they don't agree...)

By strict interpretation of the Constitution, that is exactly what it means.

Note however, that an employer who required such things would not stay in
business very long - unless he was the only employer around.  It would require
government interventiion to force people to work for him and purchase his
goods. That is also prohibited by strict reading of the constitution.

Bill
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Inner Center (Smooth move, pal)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:43:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9210080512.AA07280@Willamette.EDU> amessing@WILLAMETTE.EDU (Adam Messinger) writes:
>
>In addition to 5-MeO-DMT does anyone know what other drugs Inner Center
>has declared to be sacrements?  I understood that they also had cocaine and speed analogues.  Anyone?
>

Well, whatever they had available, the list probably got a lot
shorter due to your article.  Are you totally brainless?  Did it
ever occur to you that posting info about sources of gray-market
pharmaceuticals is a totally boneheaded thing to do?  IC no longer
sells 5-Meo-DMT because they became worried about ADA heat from the
DEA, and why do you think that was?  Because lots of clowns started
blathering about "this bitchin' legal drug y'all can get from Inner
Center."  

There are lots of sources for things in the alt.drugs FAQ.  The
smart thing to do is send away for the information yourself
(using the appropriate methods).   
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: caffeine (concentrations)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:34:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.121038.26211@kodak.kodak.com>, axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:
>In particular, I usually drink "auto-drip" coffee and am very "aware" of the 
>caffeine affects on my body.  Depending on what I've eaten recently, I can 
>feel the envelope of the caffeine as it's effects "come-on" and then "taper-off
>and after years of drinking the stuff, I feel like I recognize it's character.
>Now, a few times/week, I will drink hot tea (normal varieties; Lipton, etc..) 
>and the envelope of the caffeine effects "seem" different.  In particular, 
>although the tea contains much less caffeine, the ultimate effect seems 
>greater than with coffee, but for shorter duration.  I often literally get a
>case of the "shakes" (teeth grinding, etc...) when I drink a cup of tea, 
>but coffee rarely ever does this to me.
>
>Are there valid reasons why this should occur, such as other ingredients 
>in regular tea, or a difference in "how" the caffeine is made available to 
>the human body?  Is it just me?

Perhaps after so many years your body has developed a mucous response
which slows down the rate of absorbtion (I'm assuming that caffeine is
absorbed through the stomach walls like alcohol).  This response may be
keyed to something else in the coffee (taste?) which is absent in tea.

This is just a guess.  I just know I get nauseous after 200 mg.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Products to be banned by FDA
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:36:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: intermittent

In article <1992Oct3.145932.1410@u.washington.edu> ap.5556@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>     C)  Insect Bite and Sting Drug Products - Alcohol, Alcohol
>(Ethoxylated Alkyl), Benzalkonium Chloride, Calamine, Ergot
>Fluidextract, ...                                     ^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
For insect bites??  Seems like overkill... %)
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:17029 talk.politics.drugs:6775
From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:41:56 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct13.193000.27044@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
> In reply to the suggestion that the Supreme Court "protects civil
>liberties":
>
> If anybody depends on this belief then their freedom will be eventually
>lost. The only person who can protect your civil liberties is you, in the
>long run, and anyone who values his personal freedom must be prepared to
>fight for it tooth and nail. Dependacy on government is worse than drug
>addiction (and they're tied so close together...). When your government
>infringes upon your rights as a person, don't blame them. All governments
>are subject to the entropy introduced by human nature. The time for
>peaceful protest has passed and we can only hold our breaths and wait now.
>All protest falls upon deaf ears. But at least we can know or hope that we
>are unified in our protection of our own freedom. The time will come when
>we will have to fight bloody for freedom and it will be the government
>that stikes the first blow. I dread that day, but it is now inevitable. I
>can only hope that Clinton in place of Bush will change this...
>
>St. Anthony
>
>PS: See Locke and Rousseau, those old freedom-type philosphers. 

You don't have to go all the way back to Locke and Rousseau to see why
we have to literally fight for our freedoms. For example, we had the
Civil Rights movement, and those that died believing in the rights
supposedly guarenteed by the 14th and 15th Admendment. There was also
the struggle for the right for women to vote, which again should have
been protected by the 14th Admendment, but instead required an
admendment of its own. We also had the bloody labor movement and the
struggle for the right to negotiate terms of employment. And so on and
so forth.

I can not think of any civil right we currently enjoy (or use to enjoy
:-( ) that didn't require a struggle (often violent) to obtain.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com
From: ap.1060@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] Growning Mushrooms
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: ap.1060@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu


Has anyone out there been sucessful in growing mushrooms for personal
consumption?

Did you obtain the spores from fresh shrooms, or from a commercial
source?

Any advice, tips, folklore, or success stories would be great.

Baz.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: homer@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Homer Smith)
Subject: Re: Cornell Hemp Coalition
Organization: Me
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:17:16 GMT


 From: The Hemp Coalition, Ithaca, NY
 Re: A new student organization at Cornell University
 For immediate release
 
                 * * * P R E S S   R E L E A S E * * *
 
     On the 21st of September, the Hemp Coalition had their second
organization meeting in Ives on the Cornell Campus.  The Hemp Coalition
advocates the use of hemp as the raw material for many products that are
now made from less efficient or less desirable materials.
 
     The Hemp Coalition was formed in February, 1992, by four Cornell
students.  Their first major event will be a benefit concert on October
17, at Sigma Phi Epsilon.  Other activities in the works include
"HempFest," an open-air event in the spring with bands, political
awareness material, and crafts, as well as the sale of informational
books about hemp's uses.
 
     The following facts are instrumental in the Coalition's mission of
public education and awareness:
 
     Hemp is the most efficient source of biomass on the planet.  If 6%
of the landmass were used to cultivate Cannabis, there would be enough
energy to run the United States.
 
     Hemp may be grown and harvested more quickly than trees, and will
produce more pulp for paper per acre.
 
     Cannabis seeds are the second best source of protein after
soybeans, which are not as digestible for humans.
 
     The Hemp Coalition will be meeting on the first and third Monday
nights of each month in 110 Ives Hall.  New members are always welcome.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Re: Inner Center
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:56:53 GMT

Last I heard from net.reports was that inner city was no longer selling
5meo-DMT.  Does anyone have any personal experience with this?


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: READ THIS!!!  Mj-Recipe FAQ
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:45:48 GMT

In article <mtymp15.718941764@staff.tc.umn.edu>, mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>I am proposing to be the "archiver" of a marijuana recipe FAQ.  I need people

Have you read FAQ-MJ-consumption and marijuana-consumption?  Both already
exist in the directory /public/alt.drugs on milton.u.washington.edu.  

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: Max Monningh <mmonningh@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 07 Oct 92 04:02 PDT
Subject: Illinois Marijuana Initiative Phon
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1301300189:000:340
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mmonningh    Oct  7 04:02:00 1992


The Illinois Marijuana Initiative now has a telephone number and answering
machine. 

                   Illinois Marijuana Initiave
                         (708)859-0499

"Please make a note of it!"

The IMI's next meeting will be at the Woodridge Public Library, 
Sunday, October 25, from 14:00 to 16:00.

regards.max
mmonningh@igc.org
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:24:06 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <1992Oct2.132842.27780@linus.mitre.org> 
lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

> Yesterday's evening news had a story about N2O actually inhibiting
> conception.  It seems that female dental assistants have something like 
> 40% fewer babies (when they're trying) than average women.

...from the Boston Globe, 10/1/92, page 2, Medical Notebook column by Judy 
Foreman (written permission pending);

_Laughing gas linked to higher infertility_

Laughing gas, or nitrous oxide, is no laughing matter, says an article in 
this week's New England Journal of Medicine.
  Dental Assistants who were exposed for five hours a week or more to high 
levels of nitrous oxide, a widely used inhaled anesthetic,had 
significantly more infertility than less-exposed counterparts, said 
government researchers from the National Institute of Environmental Health 
Sciences and the National Institute for Dental Research.
  Among the more than 400 women studied, those exposed to high levels of 
nitrous oxide were only 41 percent as likely as other women to get 
pregnant during each menstrual cycle in which the women had unprotected 
sex.
  General surgery operating room staff members also are exposed to nitrous 
oxide but the exposure of dental assistants is typically higher, said Dr. 
Patricia Baird of the University of British Columbia in an editorial. She 
urged that men also be studied for adverse effects of nitrous oxide and 
that the anesthetic "be used only when absolutely necessary."

...personally I'd rather get my kicks by listening to one of George Bush's 
speeches. But hey, that's just a value thing...

Rob


Rob Robertson
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing new under the sun..."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Cocaine
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:35:46 GMT

eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder) writes:
>n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>>	I hear so much disagreement on the mechanism of cocaine that
>>I wonder if anybody knows for sure.   Dopamine reuptake inhibition is
>>one theory, but smack is dopamine related.  A cocaine high is nothing
>>like a narcotic high at all.  
>
>What do you mean "dopamine related"?  Opiates may have indirect effects 
>on dopaminergic pathways, however their common spectrum of action is 
>due entirely to agonist activity at specific opioid receptors.  I can
>think of no opiate that has appreciable cross reactivity with dopamine 
>receptors.  

Specifically, I believe its cocaine's action on dopamine in the nucleus
accumbens that produces its euphoric effects.  Opiates act on the VTA and
by their effect at that point in the brain they stimulate the DA in the
NUC ACC indirectly.  Thus, both cocaine and opiates involve the release of
DA in the NUC ACC, however the difference in their effects can be explained
by the opiates action primarily on the VTA.

This is also why methadone can be used to treat cocaine addicts.  The 
methadone hits both the VTA and the NUC ACC as an opiate.  The effect on the
NUC ACC is to act as somewhat of a "cocaine methadone" by mimicing cocaine's
effect at that site in the brain.                    (somewhat)---^

Also, this might explain why some people have non-euphoric reactions to
stimulants like Amphetamines and Cocaine.  If the VTA is dysfunctional that
would also shut down the NUC ACC even with administration of something that
stimulates the NUC ACC directly -- this has been simulated with using
naloxone in an average population.  It might be interesting to see what the
reaction of these people would be to opiates -- although it could be
risky, since if my guesswork should actually be correct they might be prone
to neurochemical addiction to opiates.

Also, aneuphoric highs to stimulants have been documented.  It was found in
a certain percentage of depressed patients that they did not react to being
given amphetamines.

1:35am ... hope I got that all right.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
                                      -- Principia Discordia
From: daw+@pitt.edu (Deborah A Wirth)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: are bowls legal?
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:12:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <0eoA3hS00UhW07L44w@andrew.cmu.edu> am49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Aaron R. Miller) writes:
>i know this has probably been asked many times before, but are
>bowls/pipes legal to sell?  there is a shop in down downtown pittsburgh
>that sells them aong with rock t-shirts, posters, buttons etc...  what
>other use is there to warrant their legality?  the shop is owned by hare
>krishna.  might that make any difference?
>
>just wondering
>
>aaron miller


That store you are talking about, is in Market Square. It's been there for 
years, about, let's see...17yrs. 

Check this out....
 My daughter a freshman in college told me that her boyfriend was striped
searched in school! He was able to keep his underwear on, but the guard felt
up under his balls, all for DRUGS!!! I've know this young man for 1 1/2 yrs. I
know that he drinks beer, but he does not do or sells drugs. He on the high 
school basketball, baseball, and football team, and does very well. If the Press
was not out on strike, he would be all city. 
I asked him if he was able to call home, he said no. He said he would of been 
afraid to call home, thinking that his parents might believe the school would
have a valid reason for the search. I did a little investigation of my own, and
found out that the school is profiling young black man, that dress well. Boy,
did that piss me off! I called the school board, they said, they were not aware

of what was going on at the school. The Vice Priciple (sp) was called to meet 
with some people at the school board. The V. P. meet with the young man the 
next day, and told him that he was sorry, and he would make sure it would never
happen again.

This makes me remember when I was a teenager and was repeatedly accused of doingsomething that I did not do, I went out and did it!

THE WAR ON DRUGS SUCKS!
FREE AMERICA... OR DRUG FREE AMERICA?
WHAT ABOUT AIDS, AND CHILD ABUSE?

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: IBOGAINE: Newspaper story
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:48:28 GMT

In article <1301300190@igc.apc.org>, mmonningh@igc (Max Monningh) writes:
>For what Lotsof said he discovered in 1962 is a drug that treats addiction. He
>said that ibogaine erased his dependency on heroin and cocaine without the
>agony of withdrawal-- a claim endorsed by other addicts who have tried it.

>"Ibogaine kind of knocks you on your butt, which is good because you can't go
>out and get drugs," said Dana Beal, a former Yippie and smoke-in organizer, who
>has become the drug's leading promoter. "By the time the ibogaine wears off,
>you don't have any craving."

>dependency and are leery of its hallucinogenic properties, Lotsof and his
>followers argue that the drug's psychoactive nature is an essential part of its
>healing power. The "visions"-- Lotsof denies they are hallucinations-- help
>addicts deal with the underlying behavioral problems that cause their
>addiction.

Lots of (Lotsof?) text deleted.

Is there any significant difference to LSD - less dangers of bad trips
or something?

How about nitrous oxide?  In Finland some doctors make hefty bucks by
offering nitrous oxide treatment - the ads don't say what it is for
(and apparently there's no diagnosis/recipe requirements and anyone
with money will do - I hear some business types go there to cure
hangovers and such) but in the media the doctors have been marketing
it as curing alcohol addiction.

//Jyrki
From: mr12+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael B. Roberson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Educating the public about the Wo(insert evil inanimate object here)
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:41:02 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   Well, with the impending election, I had a (common?) thought.  Wouldn't it
be nice if we could spread some of the truth about the lies?  Bush has
escalated what most of use reading this (all of us?) would agree is an attack
on the rights of the people.  I plan on talking with a certain head news anchor
I know.  The station she works for is always looking for information and
something new.  Should we take bets now, or will some of us use the
responsibility given to us or our personal friends to educate the media and
the voters.  Any media person should be able to seriously destroy the myths
if they only had a will, and a few of them would gladly do it for the ratings.:)
 "Maybe I am still young, after all, to have such hopes."- I don't recall this
being a quote yet.  Okay, I hereby copyright the above quote.- me
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:17:58 GMT
Keywords: New-Speak

>> I guess you agree, then, that employers are entitled to require sexual
>> favors in order to grant employment, that they should freely be able to
>> discriminate on any basis, including race, color, creed, religion, etc.,

jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:

> And just how many employees do you think would work for a company that
> did these sorts of things?  How long do you think the company would
> stay in business?

It seems to be a popular belief among engineers, students and some other
professionals, that employees will never work for a company unless it meets
some wonderful standards.  The other 90% of the workforce knows better.
Most members of the workforce will work anyplace that offers them a job,
will be sitting at their desk/assembly-line at 8:00 AM exactly, wear a tie
or uniform and address their superiors as "sir".

Industry is full of sweatshops like the chicken-processing plant that
caught fire a few months back, killing several dozen workers.  People work
at places like that voluntarily, because there are no better places to
work.  They can't just quit.  Why do you think workers go on strike?
That's the only way for workers to damage an employer enough to make it
notice, without losing their jobs in the process.  The official (laundered)
unemployment rate is around 8% these days - the actual unemployment rate is
much higher.  That's tens of millions of people who have no place at all
who wants to hire them.  If they get a job, they won't walk out no matter
how badly they're treated.

Please, people, learn a little more about the labor market before you
assume that all workplaces are like software engineering houses.  Pay
careful attention to the history of mines, factories and sweatshops in the
19th century before the fair-labor laws came into being.  If nothing else,
ask the people who clean the floors at night if they'd quit on principle if
they didn't like the way the company was run.

-- 
Tom Fitzgerald   Wang Labs       fitz@wang.com   "I went to the universe today;
1-508-967-5278   Lowell MA, USA                   It was closed...."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 04:40:51 GMT


 I just wanted to be a stickler for a moment. Paul Hager, commenting on
Mr. Bush's "laid-backedness", quipped that maybe they should cut his
Halcion dosage down a "few milligrams". I just wanted to split hairs and
point out that Halcion is dispensed in sub-milligram dosages or only
slightly above 1mg. He must be getting whopping doses at any rate... ;-)

St. Anthony

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