From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:48:36 GMT


In a previous article, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) says:

>Keywords: 
>
>In article <CB.92Oct7124527@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>]Mr. Vietnam Veteran, the pathetic issue that you're flogging is what's
>]known as a red herring.  Have you ever heard of being a tourist?  I know
>]quite a few people who visited Moscow in that era--AS TOURISTS.  
>
>It's red, but it ain't a herring. Do you really think that we should not
>care about how a prospective president behaved towards his country
>while his country was at war?

Being the 1960's, and being that the man in question was in college at
the time?
Yes, I think we should not care.

> Do you know anything about going to Moscow
>at that time? Did you know that the Soviets investigated you before giving
>you a Visa? Did you know that you were accompanied at all times by an
>Intourist "guide" who was a KGB informer? Did you know that if the Russians
>felt that you weren't favorable to their cause, they didn't let you in
>even as a tourist? In fact, do you know ANYTHING about what was going on
>at that time?

Nonesence.  While I agree that the late 60's relations between the US and
the USSR were not warm, and while I know that tourists were not permitted
to wander around on their own, I resist your idea that the guides were
kgb informers, nor do I accept that they only let those persons in who
were "favorable" of the soviet policies.

In 1969, a group of teachers from NY state, where I grew up, took a soviet
tour.  Their reports were of a beutiful country, friendly people, and when
asked if they had been pressured to listen to communist propeganda, they
responded in the negative.



>
>]Why
>]don't you apply your cold-war mentality to something productive, such as
>]trimming your hedge with napalm.
>
>Do you deny that there was a cold-war at that time? Do you deny that
>someone's past is relevant to their character?

No educated person would deny that.  However, your stance suggests to
me that you still hold the cold-war mentality.

And yes, unless that past consists of blatent criminal activity, or
radical political action (bombing, attempted anarchist activities,ect),
I strongly deny that someone's past is relevant to their character.


>I'll be glad to trim my hedge with napalm (I prefer 2.75 rockets, however),
>but only if you are willing to sit on it while I do so.
>
>As far as your tone of response....
>
>BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!
>

While the respondant's tone was somewhat less then cordial, I would suggest
that you reap what you sow...


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