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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:42:08 EDT
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From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      False Alarm

Yep, sorry. The problem was with a mailer daemon at uwashington,
I think, and it seems to be resolved.


Jamie
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Subject:      DIPL-L etiquette reminder (or how to get off this list)

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:39:19 EDT
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From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      JUDGE down

Attention:
JUDGE seems to be down. Don't send it mail for a while.
It figures. Ken is away....
Jamie
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Subject:      new, and a query

Hi!

Is Gary T. Harper on this list? Just checking. Thanks.

Todd M. Lidh
lidht@guvm                            ||   Perot who?   ||
Georgetown University
School of Business Administration
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:44:00 EST
From:         ASTMSIRI@STETSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: KUFFS

i saw KUFFS at the movie theatre and during the first half hour i was constantly
   on the verge of walking out. after i got through the first half hour or forty
   -
five minutes though it picked up. it was an alright movie. i was happy that it
got better.
                                        monica
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:46:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Spoiler for "The Doors"
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Jim Morrison dies at the end of the movie.


(  :-) for the irony impaired   )

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Jennifer, anyone who doesn't know by now that Vincent "descended into
madness" deserves any spoiler you care to provide.

Like a black crow in a field of yellow corn,
MM

"And Mm."  *Finnegans Wake*, 115.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:43:41 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Film-L

REPLY TO 07/29/92 11:35 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Re: Serious discussion of cinema

There also used to be FILM-L.  Its address is (or was)
LISTSERV@VMTECMEX.

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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:08:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      TNT/"uncut" movies

Actually, MANY of the movies on TNT are cut, time-compressed,
colorized, and laced with more commercials even than A&E is
putting in THE HOUSE OF ELLIOTT -- and that's saying something.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:43:38 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Blockbuster policy

It is possible that these stories I've been told of Blockbuster renting
edited versions are really urban legends.  Last night I talked to a
manager  of a big one, and she seemed pretty knowledgeable.  She said that
when a movie is released in two versions, Blockbuster will obtain *only*
the lower rating.  Lower?  You know what I mean:  R instead of NC-17.

She added that Blockbuster never carries X films.  The example she gave
was _Henry and June_, and she said that an NC-17 rating on that movie
instead of X would mean it could be carried by Blockbuster.

She said that B. never edited movies, and doubted the legality of such
an act.

Second-handedly explicative,

Rick
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:42:01 CDT
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      vampires and AIDS

Re: the article about new vampire films; the writer says "To date,
film-makers have not focused on the AIDS issue..."

Does anybody remember which movie or TV-movie vampire refused to drink
human blood because it was no longer safe?

Carol
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:37:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Silent running
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I remember finding an old old magazine, say 1972 vintage, it might have
been Esquire, where they did a photo feature on the people who were in the
robot costumes for Silent Running.

It was pretty graphic, and the looks of hatred on the faces of the people
was pretty disturbing. One man was only from the waist up. Another had lost
legs or had been born without them. The man who was above the waist only
was pretty disturbing, he looked so angry.
It actually took me a few years to figure out what movie that was a
photo shoot from.

Did the movie have any influence on the Mike + Mechanics song by the
same name? I realize there is a 14 year difference there, but I'm wondering
if the song was influenced by the theme of the film...which I haven't seen.

Steve

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Jim T. writes:
"...the film is not simply speeded (sped??) up, since
that would make the characters move and speak unnaturally; rather,
individual frames are removed (by computer, not scissors)..."

But surely, removing frames should have the same effect as speeding
the film up?  If a person is walking along, and every nth frame is
removed, his movement should appear unnaturally quick (and possibly
jumpy).  On the other hand, removing only frames where they would not
be obvious might work...certainly removing scenes is a too-often used
technique.

"...the film takes less time to show and thus fits into the TV
slot (or, on TNT, so that there's more time for commercials)."

<groan> too true.

Oh, I saw the film "Silent Running" (1972?) on A&E last night.  Ouch.
Predictable, and those cutesy robots were enough to make one sick.  How
did they operate, though...it looked to me like they used people inside
them walking on their hands, but that seems too bizarre...pretty small
people they'd have to be, too.

Well, good evening!

Gary G.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:51:09 PDT
Comments:     Resent-From: Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS>
Comments:     Originally-From: Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MultiSpoiler

>Actually, Beckett died quite outside the church.
  Too true!
  What was all a dream, by the way?
                       Joan
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:48:10 PDT
From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Addressing the camera
              31 Jul 1992 08:29:34 PDT from <DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU>

And there's Pauline Collins in "Shirley Valentine."  Wouldn't have been a
lot of movie left if she hadn't addressed the camera.
                   Joan
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:53:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Until the end of the world
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Just saw this film by Wim Wenders - At nearly three hours it is too short -
Visually stunning full of challenging ideas - the blurbs are right, it is
the ultimate road movie - It's exciting to see a commercial movie that
can be so "artistic" - Don't miss it - I don't want to say anything
more about it because I suspect the best way to see this film is to
let it unfold as a complete suprise - Don't read reviews or plot
summaries - Even if you hate it, it's worth seeing on the big screen 'cause
there plenty of food for thought.

P.S. Why was CASABLANCA rated PG? Plenty of loose morals

P.P.S. Without indicating my preference for president I'd like to
suggest that we'd all be a lot better off if we tried to find what
the candidates stand for (read, listen, talk) and decide on who
we think is best - Please get behind a candidate because he (or she)
can do something good for you and the country - This notion of choosing
"the lesser of two evils" is going to ruin the country for my kids.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:22:00 ZONE
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Labels=censorship?

>if I could read the lyrics.
>
>Does the recording industry feel, not the hot breath of censorship, but the
>potential for ridicule, when lyrics are published?  (By the way, what are the
>first few words of the Beach Boys' "Help Me Ronda", or any whole verse of
>"Louie, Louie"?  I'll give a genuine 1992 H. Ross Perot for President pin for
>the answers.)
>
>David   accdak@vaxc.hofstra.edu  // accdak@hofstra

I don't know the first verse of Help Me Rhonda. I haven't heard it from
the beginning for over a year. I know because a friend of mine told me
about a year ago that he once thought it began with the words:

"Well since she put me down there 've been owls puking in my bed."

My favorite mistaken line for sure

I would appreciate lyrics on the covers but I wouldn't force it. Besides,
now with CDs you would need a microscope to read them!


Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:38:00 EST
From:         Gary Graffagnino <ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Man Trouble

|Good day ladies and gentlemen, I am brand new to this conference and would like
| to know why Jack Nicholson did Mantrouble.  Having subscribed to other discuss
|ions I found them lacking in knowledge of this actor but on the other hand tota
|lly absorbing in the participants passion for open discussion.  I hope to find
|your comments just as nutritious. Ken kerr, Humber college, Ontario.

Ken,

        The way I hear it, the creators of _Man Trouble_ were the same bunch
who did _Five Easy Pieces_, and it seems that Mr. Nicholson was looking to help
out a few buddies.

P.S.    Hope that this post is a nutritious as you were looking for.

                           ______
  Gary Graffagnino         \    /    "Do you always kiil people??"
  accgsg@hofstra.bitnet     \  /     "Of course, I'm a *terminator*"
  accgsg@vaxc.hofstra.edu    \/                 -Arnie  (T2)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:11:46 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      re: Multi-Spoiler
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Joan,

Surely you've seen _The Wizard of Oz_!!  Dorothy wakes up at the end....  : )

Bill Felty
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:50:00 EST
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: The Star Wars mentality

> Remember Theodore Sturgeon's Rule: 98% of everything is crap.

Actually, Sturgeon is an optomist--I think he actually said that
90 percent of everything is crap.

Best,
Peter

> kjf-
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:43:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Sturgeon

>Of course, Sturgeon's Rule does apply across the board.
>Therefore, 98% of kjf's posts are crap.

But very provocative crap.

>I assume this statement will be quickly dismissed, being 98% crap.

Nope. I'm told I misremembered the Law -- Sturgeon apparently
said *90%* of everything is crap. So you get an 8% rebate.

kjf-
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:26:49 -0400
From:         Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Serious discussion of cinema
X-cc:         TANYA AUGSBURG <ILAY9228@emoryu1.BITNET>

On Sun, 26 Jul 1992, FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET wrote:

> >Does anyone know of another list that focuses a little more on
> >serious discussions of cinema?  I don't mean semiotics necessarily,
> >but perhaps something in between that and Tipper Gore.
>
> Tired of the bull? Take the bull by the horns and start
> a new list. Some possibilities:
>
>      ROLAND_BARTHE-L
>      ANDRE_BAZIN-L
>      LEVI-STRAUSS-L
>
> The last is for confirmed Structuralists only. And
> I suggest you avoid anything called REX_REED-L.
>
> kjf-


KJF,
Rick was suggesesting something a little more contemporary than you are!!!
What makes film theory so interesting is that it is so near or at the edge
of theory. I recommend as an example any recent issue of Spectator, a
journal put out by grad students at USC. One journal (Screen or Wide Angle)
is devoted to feminism and film theory.  Now there is a possibility that
needs to be looked further into!

The "problem" here is that the Cinema-L list is informative rather than
theoretical.  Its strength is providing film facts and trivia (Didn't we
just suffer a huge discussion on critics on the list and Siskel and Ebert?)

Perhaps it is time to look at the earliest logs and determine what was the
original focus for this list.

	Tanya in Atlanta
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:16:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Re: Labels and censorship
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Well, if pomposity and a good online thesaurus make you right, then Professor,
you are very right.

I'm not interested in a discussion that devolves (hey I didn't look that
one up!) into character assasination.

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>And if you're going to judge artists because of their
hair ("hairy louts with guitars..") well....

I hope the poster who wrote this doesn't plan a career in journalism...

That's me he's quoting, and he got it wrong.

What I wrote was "a bunch of louts with guitars..."
Nary a mention of stray lanky locks. So my heinous
and corrosive outbreak of value judgement was based --
soundly, I think -- on loutishness rather than hyperpilosity.

But, as a few days of this thread have more than adequately
demonstrated, Paul Simon got it right when he wrote

                a man hears what he wants to hear
                and disregards the rest.

And speaking of disregarding things -- a word of bemused
thanks is due to The Mad Anarchist of Brown for submitting
an additional three pages of incoherent stream-of-consciousness.
Faulkner and Joyce couldn't hold a candle to this kid.

It's useful stuff though -- every morning since late May
I've struggled to teach a few dozen undergraduates, loutish
and hairy though they may be, something of the principles
of coherent utterance and rational argumentation. This thread
has provided so much material, from the burlesque to the sublime,
that the poor bankrupt State of New York can barely afford to
print it all. Keep it coming, folks.

kjf-
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:59:00 CDT
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: bickering

Or kill each other.  Could be an interesting night!  Becky

> Perhaps talk about films?  Matthew Wills
>
> > I really don't mind all of the bickering that's going on, it's
> > actually kind of funny, but I wonder what we would do if all of us on
> > this list were to actually meet.  Interesting thought...
> >
> > Becky Albitz
> > University of Iowa Libraries
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:34:22 CDT
From:         "William P. Oppel, Jr. (Billy)" <S70762OW@ETSUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Previews....

I got the message that Previews.... is at your computer accounts now, can
anyone confirm this for me?



                           Thanks
                                 Bill Oppel
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:32:02 CDT
From:         mike silbergleid <MSILBER3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Silent running
              27 Jul 1992 13:37:00 -0700 from <PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM>

Regarding the computer cutting of frames to make a movie fit TV time.  Remeber
that to convert 35mm at 24 fps to tv at 30fps, 1 movie frame is shown twice eve
ry 4 frames and we haven't noticed that for years.  There is also a device call
ed a Lexicon that varies the playback speed of a video recorder and eliminated
higher pitch sounds via computer manipulation.  TV stations have been using thi
s device for years to get a 30 sec commercial to fit into a smaller time frame
and maybe save 2 sedconds.  Lets all remember that 2 seconds out of every comme
rcial in a local news program (usually the most profittable ad time for a stati
on) would mean an extra commercial or two.   MONEY MONEY MONEY...Gotta love it.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:41:38 -0400
From:         Laura Hayes Burchard <lhb6v@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Dead Again
X-To:         cinema-l@auvm.american.edu

My mail doesn't seem to be getting out to the list, at least I'm
not getting the usual acknowledgement from Listserv, so I'm
reposting a couple of things directly to the list.  My apologies
if you see this twice!


In article <CINEMA-L%92072011254032@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Joan Crenshaw
 <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET> writes:
>Orlanda,
>   Kenneth Brannagh starred in and directed "Henry V."  He was also in
>"A Month In The Country" with Colin Firth and Natasha Richardson.  I
>imagine there MUST be more films.

Actually, only one other.  "High Season", a comedy starring Jacqueline
Bisset.  That was one of the things that made 'Henry V' so impressive;
not only had he never directed a film before, he had only been in
two small ones himself.  He made his reputation on the stage and on
TV for the most part.

Laura
--

Address alias changed -- good addresses are now lhb4v@virginia.edu and
lhb6v@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:41:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject: Re: a probably false rumor
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I saw Rush and neither Dylan nor Garcia was in it.

And I can't access my !@#$%! editor in this !@$%@$% mail system...nor can
I extract individual poster names, so I can only reply to the entire list
unless someone puts in a signature.

portigal_steve@tandem.com

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 PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM writes:

>How could anyone mistake Gregg Allman for Bob Dylan?

>[my entire post, including a 119 line review, deleted.


Yes Gregg Allman was in it (I think also Jerry Garcia (?) had
one line), and *no* I'm not confusing the two.  I do seem to
remember something with Dylan in *that* movie.

You're right _Backtrack_ bites.

-scott

PS Learn to use your !@#&* editor.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:58:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Focus of list? Contemporary theory or group dynamics?
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I'd be interested in the legality (not to mention the ethics) of our
conversations being used for "study".  I personally find it offensive, and
I intend to look into it a little further.

Steve Portigal

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I'm a newcomer to this list so I don't have the historical background.  Heh.
But the only stated purposes I have come across seem to be:

1) to provide amusement for some superior beings, who apparently sit around
   and snicker at our impoverished ability to discuss issues, or respond to
   the scintillating comments of the superior beings.

2)  to provide fodder for some sort of Group Dynamics class.  Actually I
    have long thought that the nets could provide lots of raw material
    for such a study--but not for how people deal with each other in
    general!  I hope no one thinks that net-behavior patterns can be
    extrapolated to other types of confrontations!  It seems obvious that
    folks don't act the same as in their extra-net communicative lives.

Would a person opposing gov't labeling of entertainment be labelled a Mad
Anarchist?  On the list, yes.  In a classroom?  A student, by a professor?
Not in my experience, but then I haven't had a class with Fisher.

I wasn't going to mention it until I came across Tanya's post, but she is
quite right:  anyone who thinks that Barthes (note the correct spelling, kjf)
and Levi-Strauss represent contemporary sophistication must have been asleep
since 1968.  Uh, Fisher, hate to break this to you... but they are dead.
Deader than vaudeville.  Being able to associate the word "structuralist"
with Levi-Strauss is about as witty as one would expect from a first-semester
freshman.  Hardly an example of rapier wit, eh?  What the heck do you teach,
anyhow?

Struggling valiantly to provide material for mockery,

I remain, bored and hoping for a list on film,

Rick Francis
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