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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Looks like Rome, NY
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:39:25 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan11.132054.6833@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> lcn@nlcd00.cft.philips.nl (Leo Noordhuizen) writes:
>Isaac Kim (kim@guppy.uucp) wrote:
>: This new southern California weather sucks.  It's been too wet to play 
>: for two weeks now.  I also have had to wear long pants for the last 
>: two weeks.  Time to move to better golfing climate.  
>: 
>: Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
>: 
>: Oh well, maybe the sun will come out tomorrow and it will be back to
>: shorts and a nice dry golf course.
>
>I like people who complain about the weather when they live in
>San Diego ! :-)

Don't worry, the rains have ceased.  I will stop complaining.

>
>How about us in Eindhoven, The Netherlands: the last weeks of
>december we have been playing on a course which was frozen hard,
>from winter tees, on winter greens. Much less fun. Drives going
>further, but approach shots bouncing all over the course.

This reminds me of one winter in Calgary.  Calgary has these
Chinook winds which blow from the west and can change the 
temperature from -30 to +10 C in a matter of hours.  Well
after a rather cold January, strong Chinook winds managed to
melt most of the surface snow, but the ground was still
frozen solid.  One day, it was a balmy 12 C, so we decided to
head to a local golf course to try to play.  You needed a 
hammer to put a tee into the ground, but you could play like
you were John Daly.  The golf ball would bounce like it was
on a run-way.
    
First hole: 390 yard par 4 - driver was too much club off the tee.  
Second hole: 540 yards par 5 - pitching wedge for your second
             shot - pitching wedge back for your third shot.

Unfortunately, there was still some residual snow, which created
quite a hazard if your ball happened to dive into one of those 
banks.

It was great to actually play real golf in the middle of the
winter in Calgary.

And now all I do is complain when it rains too much in San Diego. 

>Beginning of last week the temperature changed dramatically:
>from below zero to around 10 degrees Celcius with lots of rain.
>Result: beginning of the week course closed (half frozen results
>in much damage), last saturday: playable but very wet, yesterday
>nearly flooded; result course closed.
>--
>  Leo C. Noordhuizen             uucp: lcn@nlcd00.cft.philips.nl
>  Philips - Automation Technology phone: 31-40-735834
>  Building SAQ,                   5600 MD  Eindhoven, The Netherlands

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:35:19 GMT


EXACTLY!  I love just blasting though Nicklaus walking all over the green. I 
don't even stop the tape when he's putting. I also mute out Brent Musberger.
By the way how hell did he ever get his job? Is he married to the exec's 
daughter or something?


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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just ff it"              614-292-8481
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From: Ray.Marshall@f62.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Ray Marshall)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Speeding Up Play
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 19:38:38 -0600

My regular foursome, even acknowledged by ourselves, has a reputation for being
kinda slow. Our handicaps are from 5 to about 20 (mine :{).  Frankly we all like
to talk too much.  
.
Last summer we came up with the following solution which takes about 45 minutes
off a round:  drop the "honors" courtesy.  Whoever is ready, hits.  Even on the
green.  Think about it, saving 3 minutes a hole would save almost an hour off
your time.  How long do "you" wait for your playing partners.
.
I enjoy "lurking" on this conference.  Glad I could contribute.
.
Ray, in golf crazy Minnesota.

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From: pav@masc.rice.edu (Phuong Vu)
Subject: swing speed question
Organization: Dept. of Math. Sciences, Rice University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:03:06 GMT

I am a beginner to golf and have heard people uses the following
terminology but I don't have a feel for what they mean.

- tempo: what's a good tempo ?  how do you teach a person to have
  a good tempo, especially since it seems so important to a good swing.

- swing speed: how do I measure my swing speed ?

- tension at the top of the swing: a college golfer told me at a driving
  range the other day that I seem to have too much tension at the top
  but he really cannot quantify what it means.  How do I know I have
  too much tension ?

Thanks.
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From: jimh@sequent.com (Jim Harrie)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:05:11 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: sqnt
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan4.153555.13815@sequent.com> john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght) writes:
>
>For those of you who think he is such a bad guy, did you know that he gave
>$30,000 of his winning from the PGA Championship to the family of a man who
>was killed by lightning during that tournament and has promised to play a
>charity exhibition in Indianapolis every year.
>
>John Vander Borght
>john@sequent.com
>
I personally don't think that he is that bad a person except when he's
drinking. The big problem I have with Daly is the image he portrays on
the tour. I think it has attracted too many people with WWF mentality
who think that the only thing in golf is knocking the crap out of the
ball. I've seen more boobs on the the courses than ever that don't
seem to know rule 1 or the first thing about etiquette. I don't think
that John has helped that at all. I think that he needs to grow up.
 You don't see Tiger Woods pulling the antics that Daly pulls and
he's a heck of a lot younger. 
Personally I think that, if Daly gets his personal life in order and
can get a little more consistency, he's got a darned good career on
the PGA tour. Unfortunately, I'm afraid he's going to do things to himself 
that too many other pro athletes have done. It's a real shame.

-- 
 Jim Harrie (jimh@sequent.com) World Wide Technical Support 
 Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. (503) 578-5778
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Fred Couples
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:19:42 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <koenig.726847391@hydra> koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig) writes:
>Musberger: "Yes, and we are on CBS"

ABC.

Brent used to be on CBS, but for reasons known only to the
toe-jam in Roone Arledge's hair[*], he was let go and "the
third network" picked him up immediately for ungodly
amounts of money on an otherwise blank contract.

Brent was given carte blanche in his choice of
assignments.

We're paying dearly for that.

				--Blair
				  "Too bad you can't get Frank and
				   Sonny on the radio doing golf..."

[*] Probably something to do with CBS' having bought the
rights to approximately fifty baseball games for something
like a billion dollars and therefore needing to cap
salaries at forty cents for the next eighty years...
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:27:06 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <2934770915.1.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:>>  Ron Sercely <sercely@convex.com>
>>
>>The are summarized quite simply.
>>
>>In match play, the play who is away MUST play first, otherwise the opponent
>>_MAY_ require the player to replay the stroke!  In other words, if you sink
>>a 50 foot put, but your opponent is 51 feet from the pin, he can force you
>>to replay the shot (no penalty). If you hit it OB, the opponent will probably
>>NOT require you to replay :-)
>
>>In stroke play, there is no penalty for playing out of turn, with one minor
>>exception.  If you play out of turn to aid another player (show a partner
>>the line of a put for example) you, and the aided plaer are disqualified!
>
>>The net effect is, unless you are playing a match, "ready golf" is completely
>>legal! 
>>
>>Ron
>
>Playing out of turn can begin to transcend "order of play rules" in 
>certain situations, and one begins to turn to the copious addenda
>constituting the "rulings and decisions".  I turn to yesteryear, when
>Sam Snead and ( L. Little, C. Wood, Hogan...???) had short putts on the
>72nd hole of the US Open.  Snead needed his to win.  They measured, then
>whoever was away made his putt, and then Snead missed.  What would have
>happened had Snead just walked up and putted while everybody complained?
>I don't know.  I think unsportsmanlike behavior might have disqualified him.
>
>What would they do if two players tied for the lead in the US amateur,
>approaching their shots to the 72nd hole, suddenly had one step briskly
>ahead of the other, arrive at his ball which is several yards closer to the 
>hole than his opponent's, grab a club and stone it 3 feet from the flag?  
>I don't know.  Does the player who should have played first (by etiquette 
>alone according to your summary), have a grievance?  I don't know.  

Since this is the US Amateur, the final rounds are match play.  The 
first player would have to hit his or she shot again if requested as 
stated in the match play rules above.  Now, if it was the US Open...

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: george glover <gglover@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Torrey Pines
Reply-To: gglover@convex.COM (george glover)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, San Diego, Ca., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 18:28:34 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

There are two courses at Torrey Pines. It is a municipal golf course,
there is a driving range there also.  I have not played there but it
is a nice course.  The pro shop can be contacted at 619-452-3226.  The
green fees are:  Weekday $39.50,  Weekend $46.00.  Hope this helps.
From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:59:26 GMT
Summary: There are two kinds of golf spectators, no single coverage works for both

There are two kinds of viewers of any kind of sporting event:
Those who follow the players(teams) and watch to find out who
wins, and those who don't and watch because they enjoy the action
and rreally don't care about the result.  Golf tour fans, who are
interested in who is ahead/behind and who is winning and losing
will naturally find every put exciting, because the putting green
is where the winner is determined.  People watching because it's
more exciting than old movies or watching the snow fall find
putting boring and would rather watch they guy 20 shots behind the
leader extricate himself from the trees.  Maybe in these days of
extensive coveraage and lots of cable alternatives both kinds of
fans can get what they want.  I confess to being an action fan,
which probably explains why I find those contrived specialty
events, like the shootout, more interesting than most of the
regular tour coverage, but I don't begrudge the tour fans their
chance to watch two footers until the image of the cup is burned
into their retinas.

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
From: jdd@duke.cs.duke.edu (John Dengler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: John Daly
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:26:56 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Some stimulating commentary from a previous post concerning
John Daly:

*** 

 Up yours, boyo.  My mind's about as narrow as my shot dispersal.
 
 He's just a jerk.
 
 He can take Musberger with him when he goes.  We need
 an ignoramus even less than we need a jerk.
 
 Pure, grade-Z, sun-dried manure.
 
 Fuck off, boy.
 
 You're just a moron with a keyboard, from all we can tell.

***

These statements have indeed enlightened me, Blair.  Your comments were
not only mature and controlled, but also profound.  If John Daly were in
on this argument he probably would have just reeled off abusive,
abrasive and childish obscenities and insults.  What a jerk!  Let's do
away with those Daly types.  Intelligent and non-combative adults (like
you and me) have no need for them.


-- 
John Dengler, Computer Science Dept., Duke University, Durham, NC 27706 USA
ARPA:	jdd@cs.duke.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Two foot putts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:16:16 GMT



ANY length putts should be shown on golf. No gimmes! Give me a break. Talk to
Scott Hoch about two foot putts. I just saw Freddie Couples miss a couple of
two footers for some real money the other week.


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Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: jim@dap.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: Re: swing speed question
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:10:33 GMT

In article <C0C4H7.FBv@rice.edu>, pav@masc.rice.edu (Phuong Vu) writes:
|> I am a beginner to golf and have heard people uses the following
|> terminology but I don't have a feel for what they mean.

  Well, lets see if we can shed a little light on this stuff ....
|> 
|> - tempo: what's a good tempo ?  how do you teach a person to have
|>   a good tempo, especially since it seems so important to a good swing.
     
      Tempo in the golf swing is just like tempo in a musical sense...the golf
     swing is or should be a thing of beauty..very smooth and fluid yet powerful
     past paragons of the game such as Nicklaus, Hogan, Jones..etc had this smooth
     swing... Payne Stewart is another who has fantastic tempo..Tempo is what
     makes a good swing, a continous motion with a defined rythym. It is also
     what makes a consistent swing possible, every swing should take the same
     amount of time from start to finish.

|> - swing speed: how do I measure my swing speed ?
       
     Swing Speed is how fast the clubhead is moving at impact. there are many 
      gadgets out there that will measure this..But, I wouldn't lose a lot of
      sleep over wondering what my S.S, is. Not that speed is not important,
      Just that the numbers in MPH are not. Being a Beginner concentrate more
       on making solid contact consistently before worrying about clubhead 
       speed and all that techno stuff..as you improve you will notice that
       your swing speed will increase as a result of good muscle memory and 
        relaxation.
> 
|> - tension at the top of the swing: a college golfer told me at a driving
|>   range the other day that I seem to have too much tension at the top
|>   but he really cannot quantify what it means.  How do I know I have

     Tension is the killer of speed. ESp. in the hands and shoulders...
     If your hand and shoulders are tense you can not generate a full turn
     around your spine..which is what you want to do..think of your body as
     a large coil spring, with your spine as the pivot point, you want to rotate
     your hips and shoulders as tight as you can AROUND this point and then be
     able to release all of that energy at the point of impact..At the top of the
     swing only your legs and large back muscles should be contracted..everything
     else remains nice and relaxed..not limp ...I know this is kinda Zen like 
     but after a few months of practice you will begin to feel it and then you 
     will understand..


     I hope this helps a bit, I am sure you will get more Enlightenment from
     others in the group...stick with it and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE...

-- 
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Ph. (205)730-4494                     Intergraph Corp.
Fax (205)730-6239                     Huntsville, AL 35894-0001
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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: Re: Comments about Ping Zings?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:26:21 GMT

petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) writes:

>...	- I'm now using regular flex.  I was using Dynamic Gold Stiff
>	  on Golfsmith Texas Classic heads. ...

If you're using Ping shafts, they're not regular flex. The KT and its
predecessor, ZZ lite were very lightweight (unlike Dynamic Gold) but very
stiff shafts. Isn't the KTM just like the KT?


-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com

        ...Let your mind wander... 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: Fred Couples
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:57:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.181736.19402@oclc.org> brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt) writes:
>From: brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt)
>Subject: Fred Couples
>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:17:36 GMT
>
>
>  I used to like Fred Couples much more than I do now. It upsets me that he wouldn't deal with the media with all his fame this past year. My question is, doesn't the media come along with all the fame & the pockets full of money? I sure in the hell thin>  I used to like Fred Couples much more than I do now. It upsets me that he wouldn't deal with the media with all his fame this past year. My question is, doesn't the media come along with all the fame & the pockets full of money? I sure in the hell thin>






 is does!  

Heck no. At least IMHO, it is each persons right to choose how much he 
wishes to expose to others. Nobody has a "right" to anyone else's personal 
right. 

Then again, I don't believe that completely. I think we have a right to know 
about out leaders lives since that directly affects us. (The president, for 
example.) Fred Couples in no way affects my life, other than perhaps envy! 
<G>

Wes

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Wes Voss
Internet: wvoss@novell.com
Standard Disclaimer: Yeah, these are my opinions,
and no one elses... You know the rest...
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: Scripps Inst. of Oceanography - MPL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:00:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.231616.19992@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:
>
>
>ANY length putts should be shown on golf. No gimmes! Give me a break. Talk to
>Scott Hoch about two foot putts. I just saw Freddie Couples miss a couple of
>two footers for some real money the other week.

I totally agree. When those 2 footers are for a huge amount of money, or,
better yet, to win a major, the putter weighs a ton and the break becomes
confusing. Many a tournament was decided on putts like that.

Martin
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: pav@masc.rice.edu (Phuong Vu)
Subject: excersize program & another swing question
Organization: Dept. of Math. Sciences, Rice University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:47:00 GMT

I have 3 more questions for the golf gurus out there:

- I am interested in starting on an excersize program to strengthen
  the "golf muscles".  Can someone point me to a book, magazine, etc....
  which has detailed description of physical training for better golf.

- I learned to play golf by reading Nick Faldo's book "Golf: A Winning Formula"
  which I think is a really good book, I have also taken a few lessons from a 
  club pro.  Faldo emphasizes the resistance of the right knee on the backswing
  but that seems to have put a lot of stress on my knee and it is beginning to
  feel a little uncomfortable lately.  Am I doing something wrong ?
  
- Both Faldo and Nicklaus teach that as you are approaching the top of your
  backswing (but still going back), your left knee should reverse direction
  to create this extra coil.  How many people out there can actually perform
  this move and how much would you lose if you can't learn how to do this.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: cczjct@vax.nott.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Reply-To: cczjct@vax.nott.ac.uk
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 15:23:12 GMT

Are you referring to the last put on the 18th hole?... if so I think you'll 
find it was 6 feet and not two. If you still think it was 2 feet would you 
please do my tax returns?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt)
Subject: Fred Couples
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:17:36 GMT



  I used to like Fred Couples much more than I do now. It upsets me that he wouldn't deal with the media with all his fame this past year. My question is, doesn't the media come along with all the fame & the pockets full of money? I sure in the hell think is does!  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:18:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.231616.19992@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:
>
>ANY length putts should be shown on golf. No gimmes! Give me a break. Talk to
>Scott Hoch about two foot putts. I just saw Freddie Couples miss a couple of
>two footers for some real money the other week.
>
I am glad you enjoy watching those short putts.  The only interesting
thing is when they miss them, or maybe on about 17 or 18 when they have
one to tie, etc.

They could show all the missed putts in a 1 minute section, complete
with analysis of why.  That would be a help for more golfers than boring
us with lots and lots of short putts.

Of course, they have to putt them in, that's the game.  My problem with
TV golf is that they spend too much time on short putts.

What I would like to see them do is to film a key player hitting every
shot, and then run it through in fast time.  They we could see how this
player played.  Often, we get a few long putts for a  player who is
shooting 6 under, and that's it.

======================================================================
Thomas J. Scott				mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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From: brandt@oclc.org (Dave S. Brandt)
Subject: test
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:52:22 GMT

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