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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Royalty and probability
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:09:52 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Fred Rump's comment raises a further point whcih George Waller didn't
point out. There has to be someway of storing relevant possibilities, for
checking later
Say great uncle Sid reminisces that HIS grandfather told him that his
father had married a second time a cousin called Maud. Youv'e already got
Maud's family in, they're cousins remember, but not this putative link.
You are not quite sure about Uncle Sid's story, but it sounds likely - and
 you want to record it in such a way that it will show up for checking out
later. How do you do it: you have to tie it into your datbase somehow,
perhaps - ideally - in a way that shows up in faint print on the chart,
lists out as dubious info so you can print out things you absolutely must
check.
In any form of historical research, some info is going to be better than
other. If you are working, initially, from a family genealogy devised by a
relation,need to put something down on paper so you can see where to begin
checking, that is obviously not going to be as high-grade info as material
for	which you have birth certs etc. Uncle Sid's memories are going to
be a third grade, perhaps. A decent program would allow you to demonstrate
the quality of the information: sure, pretty sure, maybe.
ANd no: this is not artificial intelligence: YOU decide the quality
of the info. ANd if you make a mistake, well garbage in, garbage out!

Richard
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Reply-To:     "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
From:         "Robert J. Behnen" <AD38%NEMOMUS.bitnet@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Hamburg Passenger List Indexes
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Fellow Rooters:

I thought I would pass along some information which I found extremely
helpful while visiting a local FHC.  Under the FHC Library Catalog you
can enter the # 11064 to bring up a list of Hamburg Passenger Lists and
Indexes.

If you know approximately when your ancestors emigrated from Germany,
you can look in the indexes which are indexed for every couple of years
or so.  The index will give you the name of emigrant, ship name, date of
departure, destination, and page number of the passeger list.  Then you
find the passenger list and turn to the page to find the specific info
on your ancestor.

To get an approximate year of immigration to the US, one can look in
the 1900 census.  Many of you may know this, however, I hope this
helps someone out there.

Bob Behnen
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:13:00 EST
Reply-To:     RALSTON@XAVIER.BITNET
From:         RALSTON@XAVIER.BITNET
Subject:      First White Woman born in Texas?

I wonder if anybody could shed any light on Caroline Dunning Moore in
the family bible.

Richard Dunning m. Betsy Seymour [both of Connecticut and my 4th great
                                  great granparents]
Two of the children were:

Sarah Dunning Waters (m. Harvey Waters)  Sarah born in Gaugia N.Y. Nov. 27,
      1816 and died in Cambria MI, Oct 10, 1881 [3rd great grandparents]

Caroline Dunning Moore in N.Y. who died in Texas the first white woman to
      give birth to a child in Texas to which was given 500 acres of land
      whose name was Carried Moore Pope (or Pape).  She died in St. Louis, MO.

It is this story of my 3rd great aunt that I am particularly interested in.

Others I am researching.  Family of Lorenzo Best Davis (1836-1896) m.
       Julia Ann Dillingham (1839 - 1918)  Hillsdale/Cambria MI
       Also on maternal side:  Hohisel, Huff, Titus.

On paternal side:  New Albany IN: Ralston (Robert with children Frank J.,
       William, Charles, Robert)  Frank J. moved to Newark OH in early
       1900's.  Roberts wife was Mary Brooker.

       Adam (1835-95) and Eva (Hess) Bauer (1843-1902).  Adam immigrated
       from Bavaria and was in the Civil War.

       Also from New Albany the Richmer family.  Anthony Joseph Richmer
       was the first husband of my grandmother Mary Ida Bauer (second
       husband was Frank J. Ralston)

I would be interested in writing to anybody with information or apparent
connections to any of these ancestors.  I am a novice at this.

Dave

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:16:00 LCL
Reply-To:     M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK
From:         MFITZGIB <M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: England Q: recording shire
Comments: To: Steve Hayes <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Hello everyone.

>Before 1974 Durham was the only English county that was not a shire.
>Steve Hayes,

Steve, what about  some of the counties that have gone... EG Rutland and
some that
are still around! Kent or Cornwall for instance.

Someone offered to post a difinative list... I guess we should wait.

Cheers...
Mike Fitzgibbons. Principal Technical Officer
 Sheffield Hallam University

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Researching any instance of the name FAWCUS

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From: comptec92036@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: GRIGOR  <-- Anyone know one?
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:17:56 GMT

I posted before, but in the wrong area.  I am looking for anyone with the
sirname GRIGOR.  If you know someone or actually have that name, please write
back with information or just to say hi (I wouldn't mind hearing from my 1/2
brother David, in Scotland).

					Thanks in advance,

						Rob Grigor. 
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:21:43 -0500
Reply-To:     CARTER2@CL4.CL.UH.EDU
From:         CARTER2@CL4.CL.UH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Title of Ensign
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.EDU

Joe Price originally inquired about the usage of "ensign" in regard to men
listed in a history of Haverhill, Mass.

My encounter with the term is with the Civil War records of my ggreat-uncle,
Charles C. Frierson, who served in Co. F., 15th Mississippi Infantry,
Confederate States Army.  (I realize the usage may be different in Mass.! :-))

I had puzzled over his final rank, which was listed as 1st Lt. & Ensign, until
I was lucky enough to request records from the Mississippi Archives.  While
most of the service records were identical to those sent by the National
Archives, there was one new document: the letter from his commander appointing
him as ensign!  The following are pertinent excerpts:

  "In March last while stationed at Demopolis, Ala. I forwarded a
  recommendation for Francis Holloway, who was my color bearer and had
  been for Six (6) months, and at the same time requested that he might
  be appointed Ensign of this Regiment. ... Recently he has been transferred
  from my Regiment....  Therefore I have the honor respectfully to request
  that the position may be conferred upon Sergeant Chas Frierson of Company F
  this Regiment. ..."

Before receiving this information, which cleared things up considerably, I had
found in the Encyclopedia Americana (1979 ed.) the following explanation:

  "... Ensign is also the lowest commissioned rank in the U.S. Navy and
  Coast Guard, ranking with 2d lieutenant in other U.S. services....
  Ensigns were first so named for their duty as infantry standard bearers
  in the British Army, which dropped the term in 1871.  The U.S. Army had
  dropped it in 1815. ..."

I guess the C.S.A. reinstated the term! :-)  It does appear from the way in
which my Uncle Charlie's rank is listed that the C.S.A. usage differed in that
Ensign was an additional appointment and not just a promotion step in rank.

Hope this helps any who are interested!

Gay E. Carter
Reference/Documents Librarian, University of Houston - Clear Lake
CARTER2@cl4.cl.uh.edu
CARTER2@UHCL4
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  I would be interested in hearing from anyone researching the family name of
WRIGHT from Indiana, specifically around Edinburgh,In. area.

  Also looking for some ideas of how to find onfo on my great-grandfather
born in either Michigan or Indiana in April of 1859. Have marriage info (says
he was born in MI) death record says IN and census of 1880 says IN. Have had
no luck with 1870 or earlier. Living relatives don't know either.

Paul Wright
tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:57:41 EST
Reply-To:     George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
From:         George Waller <HBLADM47@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Brother's Keeper versus Roots III on PC

On Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:31:12 -0600 <CHINN@VUCTRVAX> said:
>Dear Rooters,
>
>I'm nearing a decision to ftp Brother's Keeper from hallc1.cebaf.gov
>or order Roots III.  I was wondering if anyone on this list had a
>review or recommendation on which I should buy.  From what I gather,
>they both are highly rated.
>
Why not FTP BK and see if you like it. That is what shareware is
all about (i.e. try it out and pay if you like it).

>One drawback of Roots III is that it is about $100 too expensive.
>It sells for over $200, but I understand it can be ordered at a
>discount.  How much is the license registration for Brother's
>Keeper?  It think it was $135, but don't quote me on that.
>
BK is $45... a bargain in my opinion. I've never tried Roots III.

>Other than the cost, one feature of Roots III I like is the
>ability to generate reports and "book format."  I haven't heard
>that PAF can do this.  It it possible to do this with Brother's
>Keeper?  I understand Roots III works something like Microsoft
>products along the lines of Database and Word Processing software.
>
BK produces several very nice "book" type reports with numerous options
within each report. Here is an abbreviated sample:

                        Hull Update


1. Rovello Spencer Hull #181 b. 7 Nov 1856, NY, occup.
Cattle dealer, m. 4 Jul 1876, in Otsego Co NY, Grace Lucy
Rose #132, b. May 1858, West Exeter?, Otsego Co NY,
(daughter of Alexander Seth Rose #123 and Charlotte Matilda
Burke #124) d. 19 Jan 1936, Burlington, Otsego Co NY, bur.
Union Cem, Edmeston, Otsego Co NY.  Rovello died Apr 1925,
bur. Union Cem, Edmeston, Otsego Co NY.  Methodists. Lived
in a sod house in South Dakota, survived Blizzard of '88 and
returned to Otsego County.
             Children:
+   2.     i Harry Warren ("Harry") Hull #182 b. 26 Oct 1877.
    3.    ii Albert Lee ("Lee") Hull #183 b. 1878, Otsego Co
             NY, m. 1910, Florence Bennett #220, b. 8 Apr
             1875, d. 1939.  Albert died 1948.  Florence: She
             was a dau. of Lewis and Angeline (Madison)
             Bennett.

>I guess the best thing for me to do is try them both (in time).
>
>Steve (CHINN@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU)

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:42:00 EST
Reply-To:     "Dorothy M. Paul (219) 239-8694" <LGG4BD@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
From:         "Dorothy M. Paul (219) 239-8694" <LGG4BD@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Forms for US Census

I have some forms that I purchased for early
census that has the categories and you just
fill in the info.  I think that if was from
Everton Publisher in Utah.  This is a mail-order
business.  I was just noticing the other day that
I still use the printed forms quite regularly.
They are nice to jot down partial information when
writing to some for more information ( now I am
talking about family group sheets and ancestor
charts.
........................................................................
Dorothy M. Paul           :Berkley(Berkeley) == Nebraska ** 1886
Room 836 Hesburgh Library :Blohme == Michigan>Illinois>Germany ** 1871
Univ. of Notre Dame       :Odd(Odsboy|Oddboy) == Utah>Sussex>Surrey>
Notre Dame, Indiana, USA  :                   == Kent,England ** 1733
             46556        :Wheaton == Michigan>New York ** 1799
(219)239-8694             :Life is just a      
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From: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Subject: brother's keeper vs r3
Reply-To: "ray whidden" <ray.whidden@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:19:11 EST

In a article:

CN>  Newsgroup: soc.roots
CN> Message-ID: <01GTD74YN4G28WY4FU@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu>
CN>    Subject: Brother's Keeper versus Roots III on PC

CN>I'm nearing a decision to ftp Brother's Keeper from hallc1.cebaf.gov
CN>or order Roots III.  I was wondering if anyone on this list had a
CN>review or recommendation on which I should buy.  From what I gather,
CN>they both are highly rated.

I have used Personal Ancestral File (PAF) and tested Brother's Keeper and
Roots III (R3).

CN>One drawback of Roots III is that it is about $100 too expensive.
CN>It sells for over $200, but I understand it can be ordered at a
CN>discount.  How much is the license registration for Brother's
CN>Keeper?  It think it was $135, but don't quote me on that.

Brother's Keeper (BK) registration price was $45 US$ the last time I checked.
GEDCOM, a import/export file standard, is included in PAF and BK, extra
in R3.  R3 has other extra utilities to give Julian, Gregorian, French
Republican and Hewbrew calendars and historical event timelines and 
RootsWriter, a special edition of QEdit.

CN>Other than the cost, one feature of Roots III I like is the
CN>ability to generate reports and "book format."  I haven't heard
CN>that PAF can do this.  It it possible to do this with Brother's
CN>Keeper?  I understand Roots III works something like Microsoft
CN>products along the lines of Database and Word Processing software.

BK has register and modified register format printouts as does Roots III.
PAFAbility, shareware ($10 US$) by Barbara Bennett, produces modified
register style reports and others, using the PAF data files.

CN>I guess the best thing for me to do is try them both (in time).

That's the best way to decide.  However, you may be able to find a
Roots III user who will give you a test drive.

I hope this helps.

Regards, Ray

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:48:34 EST
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From:         haack@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU
Subject:      Re: Dr. D. Scott Moncrieff of Portland, Oregon
Comments: To: Lisa Oberg <lisanne@u.washington.edu>
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          <ROOTS-L%NDSUVM1.BITNET@uwavm.u.washington.edu>
              12 Jan 93 10:43:44 PST."
              <Pine.3.05y.9301121017.A2033-b100000@carson.u.washington.edu>

Dear Lisa,

Thank you so very much for the information abou the
Physicians database.  The responses from soc.roots has
been very helpful.  Thanks again for your time and
willingness to share information.

Loretta Haack
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Subject: Re: Anglisizing Czech Names, Question
From: mt_vodicka@fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:17:16 +1100
Organization: D.S.T.O. Aeronautical Research Laboratory

In article <1i7kggINNh15@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, berkovej@cgsvax.claremont.edu () says:
> 
>>I understand that there is no accepted Anglisized name for Vaclav.  Is this
>>true?  My father's birth certificate shows his name as Vaclav but he was James
>>for his whole life.  Is this a common Anglisized name for Vaclav?
>>
>>My Grandfather's English name was John.  I have heard that both Jan and Honza
>>are anglisized to John.  Is this true?
>>
>>If anyone can help me with this, it would be much appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>James Berkovec
>>
>>Researching BERKOVEC, TUMA, UHIR (Czechoslovakia/Austria -1800's); ROCHON,
>>RONDEAU (Canada,Chicago - 1800's/1900's)
>>
> 
> 
> 
> The U.S. Dept. of Justice publishes a book called "Foreign Versions, Variations
> and Diminutives of English Names" which lists name equivalents for
> Bulgarian, Czech, Slovak, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Estonian, Finnish,
> Italian, Latvian, Polish, Portuguese, Rumanian, Russian, Servian, Croatian,
> Slovenian, Swedish, Norwegian, Ukranian, Yiddish, and Spanish.
> 
> Vaclav is the equivalent of Wenceslaus.  Nonetheless, a relative of ours also
> was called James all his life despite being a Vaclav.
> 
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I had an uncle who lived here in Australia who was a Vaclav and he preferred
the name Victor in english. I concur that Wencelaus is correct but is hardly
a reasonable substitute in Austrlia.


Roger Vodicka.
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From: bartusek@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: Surname BARTUSEK
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:13:09 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I am looking for information on the surname BARTUSEK.  It is of Czech and
Bohemian ancestry.  All the information I have been able to get has been
obituaries from the past 70 to 75 years.  All my family history on my father's
side has been lost because of the early death of my Grandfather (Albin Gerald 
Bartusek) in 1929, at the age of 33.  From what I can see, most of my father's
and Grandfather's families were located in the North Central Iowa & Southern 
Minnesota areas around the 1900's.

What I've been able to find is that my Grandfather had a brother Edward 
Bartusek, a sister Anna Bartusek(Reindl), that both lived in the North Iowa 
Area. And he possibly had another sister and two brothers that lived in the
Southern Minnesota Area. My Great Grand parents (whose names are unknown) died
sometime between 1910-1917, and their burial sites are also unknown.

If anyone would have any information on the surname BARTUSEK, or any genealogy
information concerning my family's name, would you please drop me a line at my 
e-mail address.  It would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Marc A. Bartusek
University of Northern Iowa

"My ancestors Thank You"
From: drostet@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Historical Society of Northwestern Ohio
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:51:54 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <ROOTS-L%93011207390858@VM1.NODAK.EDU>, Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM> writes:
> Is there a kind soul in the Toledo, Ohio, vicinity who could send me the
> address and phone number for the Historical Society of Northwestern
> Ohio, which I believe is in or near Toledo?  Is there an even kinder
> soul who goes there and could check their catalog to see if they have
> anything on the Stranahan family?
> 

I was born and raised in Toledo and currently live in a suburb.  As far as
I know, there is no Historical Society of Northwestern Ohio (and I can't 
find a listing in the phone book).  There is a Maumee Valley Historical
Society at 1031 River Road, Maumee, Ohio 43537.   I don't know how much
help they will be since their main effort (as far as I know) is to run the
Wolcott House Museum complex which is a series of buildings which has been
moved from other sites.  Their phone number is (419) 893-9602.

However, the Toledo-Lucas County Public Library has a very good Local 
History and Genealogy Department and should be able to help you with the
Stranahan family.  That family is/has been very prominent in Toledo 
industry and community affairs so there should be large amounts of data
about them.  The library is at:  325 Michigan Street, Toledo, Ohio 43624.
The Local History and Genealogy Dept. phone number is (419) 259-5233.

What kind of information did you want about the family?  If you are in 
no particular hurry, I might be able to get down there sometime in the 
near future and get you some info.  Right now we have 4.5 inches of snow
on the ground with fog, freezing rain, rain, and snow all forecast for 
the next 24 hours!       

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Reply-To:     Kerry Casey <kac@BOM.GOV.AU>
From:         Kerry Casey <kac@BOM.GOV.AU>
Subject:      Re: Question on relation
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Jennifer Farnham asked:

>Heres the scenario:    Two siblings.

>Sister and Brother.

>Sister has daughter and daughter has two sons.

>Brother has son.

>What is the Brother's son to the daughter's sons?
>What is the brother to the daughter's sons?


Assuming this means:


          Sister             Brother
            |                   |
          daughter             son
            |
       daughter's sons

Then:

the Brother's son is first cousin once removed to the daughter's sons
(as Sister's daughter and Brother's son are first cousins)

The Brother is great uncle to the daughter's sons
(as he is uncle to the daughter)


Hope this helps.


Kerry Casey