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From: eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adverse effects of grilling on gas/charcoal/electric flame?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:45:06 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <1992Apr7.163623.15359@ssd.kodak.com> young@sasquatch.serum.kodak.com (Rich Young (x37176)) writes:
>In article <68851@ut-emx.uucp> shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bart Simpson) writes:
>>I've heard that grilling (meats etc) on gas flames and charcoal exposes 
>>the meats to a lot of hydrocarbons which are carcinogenic. How true is 
>>this? Is there no problem with grilling on an electric grill?

>	....carcinogens which do occur as a result of char-broiling.  If one
>	uses charcoal, the starter fluid can leave benzenes unless it is
>	allowed to burn away completely.  The charred surface of the meat
>	contains protein breakdown products which are suspected carcinogens,
>	including, I believe, nitrosamines.  I seem to recall that it was
>	the exposure of the meat to combustion products and direct flame
>	which tended to cause the formation of the noxious chemicals, and
>	that, as a result, broiling in an oven was far less hazardous....
>-Rich (young@serum.kodak.com)

The stuff that makes grilled meat, fried steak and toasted bread taste so
great is the slightly charred surface containing polycyclic aromatic hydro-
carbons (PAH). Too bad these puppies are carcinogenic. To avoid the forming
of these you could forget about grilling and fry your steak in lots of 
olive oil instead. Healthier but not as great tasting...

/ep
From: djh@xipe.osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: MRI
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:57:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: osc.1992Apr10.195705.21857
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center

In article <1992Apr10.083637.16968@resonex.com> frankm@resonex.com (Frank Muennemann) writes:
>Dead wrong!  Mr. Pritchard has the correct idea: The patient's body

"Dead" -- oh dear!  Can't we say that my response "failed to live up to
its wellness potential"?

>emits the signal from which the image is constructed.  The RF part of
>the pulse sequences used in MR imaging consist of (optional)
>preparation, (required) excitation and (optional) refocussing.  The
>data acquistion occurs while the protons in the patient's body emit
>small amounts of RF.  MR imaging is emphatically NOT an absorption 
>measurement!

Thanks.  I knew if I tried to say the above in my language it wouldn't
come across well!  Similar techniques are used in chemistry to measure
relaxation times.  But the important points, well noted by Mr. Muennemann,
are that the technique is effectively non-intrusive and does not
result in any chemical (or nuclear) reactions.
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David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mecken
From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Newsgroups: sci.med,connect.audit
Subject: Re: renal calculus:help!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:27:58 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

What sort of renal calculus, and how do you know you have it?

Michael

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Michael Veltman         George@ibmpcug.co.uk
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Is baloon angioplasty safe?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:56:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Apr09.223507.23150@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>
>
>"Bypassing Bypass" by Dr. Elmer Cranton is a paperback book that
>provides the layman with an excellent source of information about
>EDTA chelation therapy.
>
Excellent peer-reviewed source I'm sure.

>Chelation therapy has been administered to over one million patients
>with cardiovascular disease. It has caused not one single fatality.
>
Or at least that was reported.  This proves nothing.  Sugar water
would have had the same result.

>Health-care professionals who discredit chelation therapy as a viable
>alternative to surgery should:
>
>      (1) demonstrate that the published clinical data favoring
>          chelation therapy has been misinterpreted;
>
>      (2) cite a published study that discredits chelation therapy.

That's not the way science works.  If you think chelation works,
it is up to you to publish a paper proving it.  This paper is
to be reviewed by scientists and the methods judged for validity.
So far, such chelation papers have not made it into the literature.
If chelation worked, it would be extremely easy to prove it.
Since most patients with CAD have angiograms, you would merely
have to reangiogram them after the course of chelation therapy
and show that the lesions were gone.  So far, no one has done
that .  All the chelation papers rely on subjective reports,
nothing objective.  That is why insurance won't pay, along with
the fact that the therapy is being grossly overcharged for even
if it did work.

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From: tertium@milton.u.washington.edu (l boyd)
Subject: Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy
Reply-To: tertium@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:05:05 GMT




Greetings!

I am interested in talking to anyone who has had reflex sympathetic dystrophy
or knows anything about it.

Thanks!


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Loren Boyd					Department of Otolaryngology
Systems Analyst/Programmer			University of Washington, RL-30
*Go Huskies*					Seattle, Washington  98195
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Subject: Re: Extraction of baby teeth
From: <IDRAB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 11:57:52 MST
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <7540068@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, cunniff@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ross Cunniff)
says:
>
>bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
>
>>My question is about anaesthetics.  The dentist scheduled Jeff for a
>>local. There are two reasons for why I'd want to consider something
>>a little stronger.  The first is obvious: I want to cause Jeff as
>>little anxiety and pain as possible.  This is his first major
>>experience with the dentist and I'd like him to remember it without
>>pain and fear.
>

When I was six, I had two lower baby teeth extracted.  The dentist used a
local.  He had problems getting one of the teeth out--had to do a lot of
digging (hurt like heck!).  Even though I remember the episode (and I'm
almost 40), I have absolutely no fear of dentists.  So, even though
your son might experience a bit more pain with a local, it's probably
safer than a general, and he just might not have any long term adverse
reactions toward the dental profession!
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                                        you're too busy............"
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From: jfl@panix.com (Jeff Lipton)
Subject: Re: SYSTEMIC MASTOCYTOSIS
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:56:31 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <1992Apr10.165459.7475@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>>one might ask, for example,
>>whether it takes longer to die of AIDS than it does to die of this disease.
>>AIDS must do wonders to cure an overactive immune system.
>
>I wouldn't expect HIV infection to have much of an effect on mastocytosis,
>but I could be wrong.

  There have been case reports of patients with Crohns disease (a variety
of idiopathic inflammatory bowel disease, related to ulcerative colitis,
for which no specific etiology has been identified, but an autoimmune 
mechanism is felt to  be operant), having remission of their Crohn's
symptoms with the onset of symptomatic AIDS.

	- Jeffrey F. Lipton

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Xref: sparky sci.med:8651 misc.kids:12969
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Headaches in pre-pubescent girl
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:12:47 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <DSR.92Apr14113453@chickpea.mitre.org> dsr@chickpea.mitre.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:
>
>I encourage you to get her to a neurologist,  but start with
>your GP and make sure other posibilities are ruled out.  
>
I'd skip the GP unless the neurologist insists on referral only
(many do).  The neurologist is in a better position to know
what other things need to be ruled out, and there is the danger
the GP will try to treat the child himself and not do it appropriately.
Once a diagnosis and treatment are established, the GP or pediatrician
can handle her follow-up care.

I agree with the rest of what you said.
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Suicide prevention; what next?
Summary: How far should we go to protect people against themselves?
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:08:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <14284@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <4260042@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes:


>>Sorry, but a mentally ill person cannot make these decisions with a sound
>>mind.  Instead, his instincts are to fight it in a paranoid state.  I and
>>my twin brother both had to be dragged in against our will for treatment.
>>I was told twice by my father to go in and I still refused, thinking "I
>>ain't crazy, I'm just getting over some nerves here. It'll go away." Wrong!
>>My dad knew better, he's seen it before with my brother.

>If Herman had actually worked with psychotic patients rather than just
>getting his information from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and
>Thomas Szasz's books, he'd know that most psychotic patients are
>very glad you treated them once they've regained their senses.

I have not read these books, only at most excerpts from the book
of Dr. Szasz.  But I am not as naive as Gordon makes me out to be,
only less willing to dictate.  The following anecdote may clarify
the situation.  

Several years ago, a late colleague came to the Faculty Affairs Committee
of the Purdue Senate with questions about the abuse treatment program for
faculty.  I was on that committee at that time.  He was a reformed alcoholic,
and suggested that the university do more for faculty who abuse substances,
(this was done), and in particular force them to have treatment.  Not a
single member of our committee, however, was willing to force a faculty
member whose substance abuse did not prevent his or her performance from
meeting acceptable standards to do anything about it.

Notice the strength of this statement.  Merely a degradation of performance
would not be enough for us to be willing to take action, but only if there
was incompetent performance would we be willing to exert other than 
moral pressure.  That his friends and colleagues thought that his 
alcoholism should be treated was known to him.
-- 
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Phone: (317)494-6054
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From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Why gel implants?
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:41:50 GMT


I understand that there are gel mammary implants and saline mammary implants.

Saline mammary implants seem to be presumed safer.  Yet the FDA recently
authorized use of gel mammary implants in some cases.

What is the advantage of gel over saline?

-dk
From: davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:52:52 GMT
Subject: Why allergies come in "attacks"?
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: sci.med

I am one of the approximately 11% of the population cursed with pollen
allergies, and indeed I am one of the worst in my doctor's estimation.
After a RAST blood screening it was determined that I am very allergic
to about 20 different grass and tree pollens, recieving a score of 4 or
5 on all of these 20. Some of them had an IGE count close to 30,000!

Needless to say, I suffer horribly during the spring months. Yet, I note
that my suffering seems to come in "attacks", with no apparent
correlation to outside weather conditions many times. Of course, when
the wind really kicks up, there is almost always a very bad day in store
for me, regardless of what antihistimines I take.

Anyhow, my question is this: Has any credible theory been put forth to
explain why allergies such as mine can be completely debilitating one
day, and almost unnoticable (relatively speaking, I always have a runny
nose and some sneezing through the season) the next? Especially when,
from all appearances, the weather conditions are identical?

This is very puzzling to me. Right now, I am basically in good shape.
Two days ago I had to take the afternoon off because I was so sick with
allergic symptoms (to the point of shaking and cold sweating, when I
could inbetween sneezing :-)), dpe myself up on lots of Benadryl, and go
to sleep.

Speculation is welcome too.

Thanks,

Dave Waller
From: fzjaffe@othello.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: general anesthesiology query
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:21:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12215
Organization: University of California, Davis

The risks of general anesthesia include: nausea, vomiting, sore throat,
hoarseness, clouding of thought processes (for up to 1-2 days),
headache, backache (lying on a hard table motionless), tooth damage,
corneal abrasion, etc.
More serious problems are fortunately rare for a healthy individual
undergoing a routine operation: pulmonary aspiration of stomach contents
(breathing in regurgitated stuff), severe allergic reaction to a
medication (anaphylaxis), brain damage from lack of oxygen, malignant
hyperthermia, death.  Perhaps I should emphasize these are VERY RARE.
How rare? Perhaps Dr. Gaba could comment on the incidence of some of
these events.  My impression is that death occurs less than 1:10,000
anesthetics now being given (deaths due to anesthesia given to healthy
patients).  Earlier numbers are closer to 1-3:10,000, but some
significant changes have occurred in anesthesia practice which has
reduced risks of severe problems.
From: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Toxoplasmosis
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:14:31 GMT
Reply-To: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division

I am 5 months pregnant, and my husband and I want to get a kitten.  One
man has offered us (for free) a calico cat that was born about six weeks
ago in his hay stack.  I already have complications with the pregnancy.
My placenta is right over my cervix (the doctor hopes this will correct
itself), and I have a nasty cervical strep infection that we have treated
4 times.  I may *still* have it - I'm getting another culture tomorrow.

I intend to ask my doctor this same question, but if I take the kitten
directly to a vet, can the vet test the kitten for toxoplasmosis?  Also,
if we keep the kitten exclusively in the house, what are the chances of the
kitten contracting toxoplasmosis?  Also, what are the real dangers to
me and my child if the cat *does* have toxoplasmosis?

Any advice or anecdotes?
Thanks,

Laura  McGovern
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From: scheiber@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jennifer Scheiber)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Vaginal Discharge
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:46:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


What are some causes of yellow vaginal discharge?  discharge is throughout the
month, no odor, no pain, or itching.  Is this indicative of 
some type of bacterial infection?  If so what are some of the causes?
And Treatments?


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From: dana@orion.sybase.com (Dana Bergen)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Nurse Practicioners
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:16:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19528
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <14366@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <jac1.703185869@Isis.MsState.Edu> jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox) writes:
>>Anyway...  What is a nurse practitioner? How much training do they get?
>>What kind of degree do they get?  And what are they allowed to do?
>>
>They are RNs who have taken special training in clinical practice.
>They usually work under the supervision of a physician, who takes
>responsibility for the things the nurse is delegated to do.
>They can do a lot, but can't perform surgery, prescribe drugs
>on their own, or make an official diagnosis.  

I've had drugs prescribed by an NP.  Maybe this varies from state to state?
I'm sure she didn't speak to the doctor before giving me the prescription,
although she may have been following a protocol from the doctor.

Also, I had a friend who went through a program to become a Physician's
Assistant.  She said there were RN's who were going through the exact
same program, but would be certified Nurse Practitioners when they came
out.  (At least the classroom work was the same, perhaps they did different
clinical work.)  If I remember correctly, she said that one of the few
differences between what a PA could do and what an NP could do was that
the NP's could prescribe drugs.

>They can be very useful and can take a great deal of burden off a 
>physician, spending more time with the patient than the physician can 
>afford to.  

Absolutely, they're great for this.  

Dana
dana@sybase.com               |   We women do talk too much, but even  
{pyramid,pacbell,             |   then we don't tell half what we know.
 sun,lll-tis}!sybase!dana     |       -- Nancy Witcher, Lady Astor
From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko)
Subject: Re: Need help with O2, HR and RR monitor
Keywords: monitor, oximeter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:44:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.175943.11434@coe.montana.edu> ieeu0026@cs.montana.edu (Blaine Kubesh) writes:
>
>I am building for a design project an infant monitor. The monitor will
>be driven using a Motorola 68HC11 mocrocontroller. I need to sense
>three vitals.. 
>	1)	Heart rate
>	2)	blood SaO2
>	3)	Respiration rate
>
>I understand that i can use a pulse oximeter to get good readings of HR 
>and SaO2. I believe for a finger probe they use a red (600 or 640nm if forget 
>which) LED and a IR LED at 820nm. I think that the 820nm wavelength is
>the wavelength that coresponds to what the oxyhemoglobin in the blood
>absorbes. So opposite the LED I can put a matched sensor and get a reading.
>
>The HR can be picked up from the oximeter by measuring the intervals between
>the peaks of the readings of SaO2.. as far as i can tell.
>
>The respiration rate is the one i do not fully understand yet. I have heard of 
>using some form of inductance sensor but I am not sure exactly how it works.
>There is also something called an inductance phlesmigraph (spelling?) which.
>
>If anyone has any input, suggestions, or corrections to my (theory??) ideas
>please let me know.. 
>
>Patiently waiting.......

for respiration, monitor the heart rate and fourier transform it over a period
of several beats... wouldn't be "real" time (maybe a minute or so behind), but
the respiration will superimpose a slow component on the heart rate.
on inspiration the heart rate increases (try it with your own radial pulse)
and on expiration the rate decreases.  i don't know if this method would be 
good for your project, but i think it would work.
(if you use this method and it works well just send me the usual 1% royalty
or so ... 1/2 :-)  )

>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------
>Blaine Kubesh  --->>	ieeu0026@amin.ee.montana.edu
>MSU, Bozeman Montana    Electrical Engineering  
>-----------------------------------------------------

brad banko

-- 
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b-banko@uiuc.edu / KB8CNE at 146.76- Champaign
From: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Brainless legal decisions about newborns.
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division

In article <14352@pitt.UUCP>, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>
>My approach would be to require a functioning or potentially
>functioning cerebrum in a legal definition of a person.  

This sounds like a fine idea.  I would change that, however, to
specify a *live* person.

>I do not consider an infant born without one to be a person,
>nor a potential person.  I don't want to get into arguments
>as to whether it has a soul or should be baptized or anything
>like that.  If I had such an infant myself, I would be inclined
>to neither name it nor give it a funeral.  I would consider it
>as I would a miscarriage.

I disagree.  I don't think these unfortunate babies are any less
*human*, just a heck of a lot less *alive*.  I would certainly
name my child, and give him/her a funeral.  After all, funerals
are for the living.  They are pat of the healing process.

I also belive that unborn babies are human.  My child's heart has
been beating since day 25.  This was about the time I found out
I was pregnant (and no one could believe that the pregnancy tests
were positive this early.)  I am now just over half way through this
pregnancy.  My baby responds to warmth and sound, and has even
started to explore his environment.  He has all of the same ssystems
that I have, but he's not big enough and not strong enough to live
outside of me.  He has distinctly human DNA, and has great potential.
Sounds pretty human to me.  

Laura  McGovern
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