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From: mbb@keps.com (Maureen Busch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:23:22 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan21.212733.28090@litwin.com> dld@litwin.com (Deanna Delapasse) writes:

...
>I'm curious about half-time versus 3 days a week part-time
>employment.  The astronomical day-care prices make part-time
>unaffordable (you pay full price if you're there at all),
>but every other day seems tougher on the Mom.  What do you
>think ??
...

I worked part-time for a while when my kids were younger, and I worked
3 days a week, partly because of the daycare, but also because of 
the commute.  It really wasn't so bad doing it that way.  I worked
Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, so basically, I would gear up on
Monday evening to go on auto-pilot for the next 3 days.  I found
working 3 days versus 5 half-days easier because it gave me bigger
pieces of time to work on my project, since there is always some
time involved in remembering where you left off and winding down at
a logical point.  Plus, it gave the kids days where we could goof off
in the morning, and we would have the whole day to do whatever we
felt like doing.

My time spent on part-time was not nearly as wonderful for my career
as it was for my home and family life, however.  While it is true
that there are many wonderful companies out there that are supportive
of these kinds of arrangements, the fact is that it will only work
for *you* as well as your immediate management allows it to work.
For me, it meant I only got to work on the things nobody else wanted,
and I was viewed as not being "dedicated" since I wasn't always there.
That time did not count at all towards being promoted to the next level.
It has taken a long time to undo some of those perceptions.  It was
worth it since the time with my kids was wonderful, but I would be
lying if I claimed I felt no bitterness toward certain individuals
and their treatment of me.  (BTW, I never missed a day of work when
I was working 3 days/week)

Maureen Busch (mbb@keps.com)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cconell@reed.edu (Carol Conell)
Subject: Things They Say (nearly 5) or possibly what's the word?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:45:35 GMT
Distribution: na

This was more accurately a puzzling than a cute thing.
This evening while we were cuddling, my daughter suddenly said
"Nothing is real!"
To which I, of course, replied, ---'oh'.
She then proceeded to explain.  Tapping on the wall--this isn't
real--someone made it. And so on, about various objects--at
which point I thought I knew what was going on and was about to 
speak when she said
"We aren't real."
At which I again said, ...oh.
So she explained that "God made us."
And then proceeded to pick up a book and detail how
"of course it isn't real, somebody made it."
I assume there's a word--surely not "real" for what she was
describing and would love to have it to offer next time this
comes up.  But what is it?
Am also curious about whether this is a common response to learning
about God that others experience in their similarly aged children.--Carol

-- 
Carol Conell; Sociology; Reed College; Portland, OR 97202 (503) 771-1112
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kfreytag@mdtf14 (Kelley Trombly-Freytag)
Subject: Re: cars and babies sleeping
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:35:54 GMT

We have a humidifier ($29 from drug store, nothing special). It puts
out 'white noise'. My baby still sleeps in our room, and we have always
had some sort of white noise (a 29" fan, even in winter, BB [before baby]).

She does go to sleep without it, but she sleeps longer (only wakes once a
night now) with it on. Of course, it has the added benefit of humidity in
the winter. We started using it when she had a cold.
--
Kelley Trombly-Freytag
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: suresh@nls2.nlm.nih.gov (Suresh Srinivasan)
Subject: Breathing difficulty in 2yo
Keywords: breathing, allergy
Organization: Management Systems Designers Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:37:08 GMT


Hello all,

Our 2yo daughter has had trouble breathing
for the past 2 mos.  The symptoms appear all
day but are much worse at night.  She seems
congested and needs to breathe through her
mouth.  She does not appear to have a cold.
There is little or no mucus in her nose so
sucking it out doesn't help.  Her breathing
at night is very labored and is heart-rending
to watch.  Needless to say, she does not
sleep well and neither do we.

We reluctantly put her on antibiotics to
rule out a sinus infection.  Our doctor said
it may be an allergy.  We feel that it is
serious and needs attention and wondered if
any of you have had a similar experience
and/or have words of advice.

Thanks in advance.

--Nancy

P.S. We recently switched to a warm-mist
humidifier with an air filter (Bionair?),
from a cool mist type, but that doesn't seem
to have helped dramatically.
-- 
National Library of Medicine		Bldg 38A, 9N-915
Management Systems Designers, Inc.	8600 Rockville Pike
(301) 496-9300				Bethesda, MD 20894
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann)
Subject: Re: stepparenting
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:08:35 GMT

In article <C1H8K7.BJq@boi.hp.com> thavey@boi.hp.com (Tom Havey) writes:
>Is there a newsgroup anywhere concerned with stepparenting issues?
>Is there a need to start one?
>I am a stepfather looking for information, related stories,etc.
>
>Tom in Boise

I'd like to know too.  And if there isn't one, I'd vote for one!!!

Toni   

Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.consumers
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Encyclopedia advice wanted
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:03:39 GMT


I have a 11 1/2 year old boy (5th grader) and we are in the market for
one of those encyclopedia sets....

I know little about it except they seem overpriced....

Has anyone bought a set and been happy with it (or otherwise) and
care to share experiences? I hate to buy the wrong set....

Thanks in advance...

Joe
joec@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann)
Subject: Cute things - unknown age (3 I think)
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:13:04 GMT

In our newspapers "Bulletin Board" section there was a "cute" (IMHO) story
that goes something like this:

Mother is laying on the couch sick - child is supposed to be napping - 
child brings mother a glass of water - she drinks it - then child asks
if he (or she?????) can bring her another - mother realizing that she has
told child not to climb on the counters asks the child where he got the
water -

Child says:


"Don't worry mommy, I didn't climb up on the sink - I just got the water 
from the toilet"

--------

Now isn't that cute?

---------

When my brother and I were small (2 and 3 - I was 3) we started a fire using
pencils and ciggarette lighters while we were supposed to be napping (and
mom was just recently home from very major surgery and so she was napping too)
we used toilet water to put out the fire - because we weren't allowed on the 
sink either!  Such is life.

Bye!!!

Toni (Toe - Knee for the games we play)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leewon@bnr.ca (Lee Won)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Is There A Parent Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:59:59 GMT
Reply-To: leewon@bnr.ca (Lee Won)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


In article <30375@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> What bothered me the most about the post saying 'choose kids or work,
|> but you can't have both', is that the post was directed towards
|> _mothers_, not fathers.  It's widely accepted, somehow, that a sick
|> child means MOM stays home from work--that it's her responsibility to
|> pick up a sick child at school, to stay home with the child when the
|> child is ill, etc. and so on.    As long as people continue to accept
|> that idea as a basic premise, people are going to be shortchanged:
|> moms, dads, and children.
|> 
|> --
|> --Beth Weiss
|> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu

Hear!! Hear!! I hearby nominate that we change the name of
this thread to 'is there a parent track for technical professional'.

By the way, I returned to work 4 months ago at 3 days per week.
Its been working out well, but I still feel that going part time
does put one's career development on 'hold' for a while. 

... Lee
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Toon Town Review
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:35:58 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

Yesterday was the official opening of Toon Town at Disneyland and I have to
say that now everyone with children too young for Disneyland have a place to
go.  The whole place is a hands on experiment for children.  It isn't just
a bunch more rides.  There are upper limits on heights and while they SAY
that the acorn patch and Goofy's jumping house are for 3 and up, they were
letting some pretty young looking 3's (including Erin) in.

However, what is weird is the way adults handle their children there.  Here
is a place designed for children to touch everything, climb all over it, 
run around it, push buttons, etc.  And all these parents are saying, "No,
no.  Don't touch" like they're in a museum or something.  This was especially
true in Minnie and Mickey's houses.  Minnie's kitchen is a gas!

In Mickey's Movie Barn there are all these stacks of film cans.  I mean, they
just invite you to knock them down.  And, of course, you can't.  But I saw
parents with toddlers holding them back.  At one point there is a ladder 
going up to the projection room.  The ladder is pitched backward so that it
is challenging to climb.  But the floor (like all the flooring in Toon Town)
is made of crushed cork and meant to absorb falls.  Well, I see the ladder
and say "Hey, Mitchell, can you climb up there and see what's happening
in the projection room."  He climbs the ladder, but can't really see in.  
Then a man behind me tells his 3 YO, "No, no Matthew.  Don't climb.  That boy 
is NOT SETTING A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE!"  (last part aimed at me - I looked at
him like he was nuts and honestly think he is).

So, if you go, let your kids play!  It's a toddler's paradise.  There are
lots of different slides and ladders and stairs.  Almost everywhere you look
there'a a button to push that makes something happen.  If you step on the
man-hole-cover someone in the sewer yells at you "Can't you see we're working
down here".  So, if your kids liked "Afternoon Avenue", they'll LOVE Toon
Town.  Disney does it again!
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: CT.LVA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Linda Apperson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Question - what's the word for ...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:57:23 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

>I'm looking for the word that means/describes kids substituting
>some words for others.  Not because they have hearing or speech
>problems, but because the word is too big for them to get their
>mouths around it.  The Pledge of Allegiance is often used as an
>example.   Another one is when a relative said said his name was
>"William IwishIwas Kelly" instead of William Aloysius Kelly.
>
>Thanks
>
>Beth

In Sheridan's play, "The Rivals" there was a character named Mrs.
Malaprop who substituted words (my favorite was "the pineapple of
success").  Its called a malapropism when someone does this.
Linda
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ren@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:34:49 GMT

In article <4223@phred.UUCP> harryb@phred.UUCP writes:
B
>
>Any bright, truly gifted child works HARD at learning ALL THE TIME.  I
>am reminded of the old adage that there are three types of people:
>those who make things happen, those to whom things happen, and those
>who wonder what happened.
>
>The first type are also styled "self-starters".  I believe, perhaps
>optimistically, that most people, given even half a chance, will choose
>to be self-starters, and it is up to us, as parents and teachers and
>advisors, to provide a nurturing environment wherever possible to
>encourage the self-starters, rather than the drones.  Someone who
>habitually coasts may be an idiot savant, but they are NOT gifted, nor
>bright, IMHO.  Bright, gifted people don't sit and whine about not
>being challenged:  they go out and find their own challenges.
>
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!

Bright and self-starter are two different things!  Not all bright children
work hard, because they go through school and social systems that don't
encourage them to work hard.  We are talking about raw intelligence
here.

Unless you plan to lock your kids up in the house and never let them
see another person besides yourself, your children are going to
learn some of life's lessons from other people.  They may or may
not learn to work hard, regardless of how intelligent they are. Good
luck finding a suitable environment.
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:28:26 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


	I'd just like to make a comment that even tho I support people who 
work part time, in some cases it can cause difficulties for a team in assigning
work loads.  We have a person working half time, no kids just doesn't need
the money (boy I wish I could do that!).  We're a small team, 4 people, and
this person has been working part time since before the person was on the 
project.  In assigning tasks, it is difficult to put this person on something
critical or that needs a lot of customer interaction because they aren't here
all the time.  Anything that involves contacting someone on the west coast is
almost impossible since the person works M,T,W mornings and all day Thursday.
So, a lot of the time the person doesn't get the more time consuming or
critical
pieces.  It can also cause lost time when trying to figure out a bug if it
happens in the afternoon.  Usually, we'll try to figure it out ourselves which
might not be as efficient.  This person has also said that things such as
meetings and other company paperwork causes problems.  If you are only here 4
hours a day and a staff meeting takes two hours, you've lost half of your time
versus 1/4 for an 8 hour person.  (My solution to this is not to go unless you
think they are worthwhile which most aren't.)  This person has said that you
really have to cut out the extras (such as reading this news group) or you
don't get anything done.
	On this persons behalf, I'll say that the person really does manage
to get a lot done.  The management tends to ignore the person, i.e. hasn't had
a review in years.  (A lot of full time people are in the same boat.)
	But the person is afraid to gripe because management could push the
person to come back full time.  In fact, the person is afraid to gripe about
a lot of things that the person gets short changed on because of that.  I
don't have any problems working with this person except for occasionally having
to put something aside until the next morning.  But the part-time status was
known from the beginning and we plan our assignments with that in mind.
	So, I'd be careful when going someplace part time or cutting back to
part time that you aren't going to feel like this.  It's got to be tough to
feel like the management isn't really supporting you.  You'd also need to
accept the fact that there are some parts of a project that might be difficult
to assign you do to due to the fact that you can't get it done as quickly or
it needs you there when you aren't scheduled to be in the office.  I'd
also try to be flexible if possible in trading days/time off for a customer
meeting or special situation.


Julia
From: albert@endor.uucp (David Albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: RECIPES NEEDED FOR FUSSY EATERS
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan22.155824.17990
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp) writes:
>I have two fussy eaters, ages 7 and 11.  I am very tired
>of the spaghettios or macaroni and cheese suppers.  ...

>Any fresh ideas out there??

Have them make their own suppers from now on if they don't like
what you make?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Albert				  | Illegitimi non carborundum est.
albert@das.harvard.edu		 	  |
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Frozen milk (was Re: nipple confusion (just a short story)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:56:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: gargoyle.owens.728063763
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In <1993Jan25.172723.6128@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate Gregory) writes:

> First, it *is* much better to give fresh. Fresh has the antibodies
> and frozen does not. 

Can you point me towards any evidence on this?  A very cursory
literature search turns up only peripheral reference: Quan et al, "The
effects of microwave radiation on anti-infective factors in human
milk" in Pediatrics, Apr 1992.

The article is not about freezing per se, but rather reports
experimental evidence that microwaving milk reduces its antibacterial
effectiveness. (i.e. a fivefold increase in e. coli growth in samples
that had been heated in a microwave, even to as little as 20-25
degrees C.)

The research is relevant to this question because it used frozen
milk in both the subject and control conditions, and found significant
antigen activity in the thawed (but not heated) milk.
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Second baby gift suggestions
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:29:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.Jan26.182946.46553
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University



Hi all,

We are expecting our second one on Feb 14 th.  Several friends
have asked us what we needed as a gift for the second one.
Having had one not so long ago, we feel like we have adequate
clothing and most of the accessories for the new  baby.
Is there some accessories that you found to be very helpful
for new babies that you can suggest.

Thanks,

Basil
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: students/interns at delivery
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan22.070107.26558@netcom.com>, esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes...
> 

It sounds like some experiences with medical studens/interns are 
very good (see original post below).  However, in my birthing 
class one woman told of how an entire CLASS ON TOUR was brought 
in to watch her deliver.  She did not appreciate it.  Also, at 
this hospital one does not sign a form giving permission for the 
students to be present.  They will be present unless you 
specifically state otherwise.  Another thing to watch for is 
students making their rounds with doctors.  You could be put on 
display, unless of course you refuse, which it seems people don't 
think of doing until too late.

It seems that if you have only 1 or 2 students to deal with, and 
are able to form a friendly relationship with from early in the 
labor, that they are more welcome.  I think its very 
inconsiderate to bring an entire class on tour into a delivery.

Personally, I don't want any medical students or nursing students 
present because I am a very private person to begin with and I 
work at the Medical School.  But I can certainly see where they 
make a welcome addition under some circumstances.

- Peggy -




>The intern who assisted my ob at my delivery saved me from an
>episiotomy. She massaged me and convinced my doctor that I
>would not tear. When I had previously brought up epis at my visits
>my doctor was very pro epis and I was really nervous. I ended up
>with 3 small tears, but I healed very quickly. I don't think
>it would have been so easy if I had beed cut. I consider myself very 
>lucky that the intern
>was there.
> 
>A previous poster (sorry, I can't remember who said this) said that all
>she wanted was the baby out. I agree!  There were so many different nurses
>coming in and checking me internally over the 2 days that I was in the
>hospital that modesty seemed to go right out the window. 
> 
>-Ali Perry
> 
> 
>-- 
>-----------------------------------+----------------------------------------
>Alan F. Perry                      | "e-mail is wrecking my life"
>esprit@netcom.com        (home)    |            - some random person 
>allan@hakkinen.lynx.com  (work)    |              standing in San Francisco
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: More humorous developmental milestones
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:22:14 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: crayon=wax; be careful!

In article <1993Jan26.160515.2380@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  What do folks think of letting a child color on one wall of his/her
>  bedroom?  (As long as you own the home).  When I was little I didn't
>  see why I couldn't decorate my room anyway I wanted too, including
>  my art work.  I think I'll let my son have one wall to draw on, knowing
>  that in the future, he'll be responsible for painting over it, when
>  he gets tired of seeing his "kiddie" pictures.  However I don't know

I would be _very_ careful of substantial amounts of crayon on walls--the
stuff is largely wax, and not a good base coat for future layers of
paint.

How about covering one wall with that cardboardy white stuff that people
put in offices when they want to use big sections of wall as a bulletin
board?  Or you could tack heavy paper up--that way it could change
more easily with growing tastes.

Sue
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Job-sharing/Mommy_Track_&_Technical_Professionals
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:41:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfN3F=y00WBO44QBow
Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 21-Jan-93 in Re: Job-sharing/Mommy_Track..
user mma@bellcore.com writes:
>Bellcore is just beginning to offer job_sharing;
>However it was offered in view of downsizing and
>cutting costs; not to address the childcare issue.
>I doubt that when presented in this fashion that it 
>is going to be successful  :-(

One thing I've notcied about most job-sharing situations - the employees
sharing the job are both considered to be "part-timers".  Part-time
workers generally don't get benefits, so, for the employer, this can be
a financial benefit (but a bummer for the employee, of course). 
Consider that your employer pays 20-30% over & above your salary for you
benefits, & you can see what kind of an advantage this can be to the
company.

If you don't need the benefits (for example, you're covered under your
spouse's employer), and you can set up a partner to share the job, you
may be able to negotiate with an employer to do job-sharing.  It's
working for my sister-in-law.  She & another occupational therapist set
up a job share while they were both pregnant with their first children. 
When they were ready to come back to work, the position was there.  Now
that they are having their second kids, I think they're re-examining,
since neither of them feels up to handling 4 kids under the age of 3. 
But, it has worked out well for them.

YMMV

Laura