From: shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: THIS IS NOT A GROVEL...
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:18:41 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
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In article <1993Jan26.050638.24634@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> williama@kenyon.edu 
writes:
>                        THIS IS AN ORDER!

Ok...in that case...this is a flame!

>PLEASE IF YOU HAVE EXTRA TIX TO ROSELAND FOR BOTH NIGHTS PLEASE
>SELL THEM HERE OVER THE NET! I KNOW TWO OF MY GOOD BUDDIES HERE AT SCHOOL
>ARE LOOKING AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU NETTERS ARE HLODING OUT ON THEM.
>I REALIZE THAT IF YOU WAIT AND SELL THEM AT THE SHOW TO SOME DESPARATE
>PERSON YOU'LL GET PLENTY OF DOUGH, I KNOW THE DEAL. 

Dre, what gives you the right to abuse the people reading the net this
way?  Please consider several things:
a.  the vast majority of people who are forced to read your message as
part of the digest live quite far from New York and probably are not
going to the show at all, and therefore would be highly unlikely to have
extra tickets (or any at all); 
b.  people on the net do not scalp tickets (yes this may be idealistic,
but I think it's true; I've never heard of it happening in these parts,
and I don't expect to either, because folks here don't do that to each other);
c.  if anyone does have extras (which I'm sure they will sell for cost), 
they have the right to sell them to whomever they wish.  That's their
decision.

>... BUT I THOUGHT
>WE WERE ALL A COMMUNITY HERE...I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ALL ABOUT MAKING A BUCK
>ON A BAND JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU CAN. 

Yes, we are a community.  People have contributed far too much time and
effort into maintaining the net just for the love of it for me to believe
that anyone is here for some profit motive.  I find it offensive that you
accuse us all this way.

> OH WELL, MAYBE NONE OF YOU DO HAVE EXTRAS BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT...

If our community is in danger, it is from snide attitudes like this,
not from scalping.

>                                    a slightly peeved netter,
>                                                              dre.
>
>*By the way, I got tickets for me and my friend Matt 
> through the net. (thanks jeff!)

I can't believe this.  Instead of being happy that you now have two
sets of tickets more than you had previously, instead you berate the
net at large for not having yet provided you with five sets!

>HELP SKAL, EVAN AND CHET GET TO NEW YORK, i am asking politely now but that 
>(and any other netter needing tix!)       could always change... >;^)

Oh, so if your demands are not met, you intend to continue this abuse...
*and* you think that it will cause folks to feel more kindly disposed
to you, and to come up with tickets that didn't exist before??  Better
think again.


Consider Sarah's message below (I realize that it concerns a different
show, but the point is the style).  Whom would you feel more like helping,
someone who insulted you or someone who asked nicely?

> anyone got any geneva extras? i would be interested in 2 or 3, will pay
> ticketbastard charges or other nasty service charges....
> 
> thanks for any and all responses!
> see y'all at roseland! any gathering ideas? plenty of neat places in ny!!!
> 
> smiley thoughts yer way....
> sarah
> H7L@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Sarah's request makes me feel sort of warm and fuzzy, and makes me wish
there were something I could do to help her out (so of course I would
if I could); but Dre, yours makes me feel as though someone put ground
glass in my wheaties.

Shelly

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