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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: FORD TAURUS taillight RIPOFF!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 06:32:54 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:

>>Am I the only one for which the concept of paying more for a daily
>>driver than I did for my first house somehow rings bogus?

>I hear the same rantings from my father-in-law.  This is 1 9 9 2.
>It's soon ganna be 1 9 9 3.  It is not 1 9 7 0.  The average home today
>costs over $100,000.  When my daily driver costs more than that, I'll know
>I've hit it big, or it's 2050.  What's bogus about inflation?  Higher
>standard of living?  And what's wrong with jellybean mobiles?  :^)

An average house does NOT cost $100k anywhere except the left coast
and some areas in the NE.  I can assure you that nice houses can be had
in this area in the 70K range.  Starter houses can be had in the 30s.
The house I bought in 1975 for 12k happens to be back on the market for
$38k.  Higher standard of living?  I'll bet ny standard of living as
a journeyman technician making $25k a year back then was vastly better
than that of journeyman engineers making 60k today.  My house cost 11k or
44% of my annual income and it had a 15 year note which meant that 
after I lived in it 5 years, I had some equity to pay on the next one.  
That $100k house every yuppy puppy fresh out of school thinks he has to 
buy is 270% of the typical 36k starting salary.  The only way he can afford 
it is to take out a mortgage for half a century.  At the end of 5 years he'll 
have maybe 37 cents of equity. My brand new 75 Datsun 280Z cost about $4000 or 
16% of my salary and I got it on a 2 year note which meant it was paid for 
before it wore out.  Your $20k jellybean is, maybe a half to a third of
your salary.  The only way you can afford it is to put a 5 or 6 year loan 
on it.  You're upside down on the loan the day it drives off the lot.
Hell, we had two new cars and a house and still has enough money to 
tuck 10% in savings AND have a good time.  How many newlyweds can
say that these days?

What's wrong with inflation?  It fools those who don't bother to think
into believing their lifestyle is improving when actually they are
going in the hole.  

Besides... These "aero" cars of today all look like 4 wheel turds.
Man, I hope I can keep my classics running until THIS fad passes.

John
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From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:44:31 GMT
Keywords: Rolls-Royce

In article <22933@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
>
>>>Rolls Royce:  Two R's, the same since the early 1900's.
>
>>The Hon. Charles Stewart Rolls and Sir Frederick Henry Royce formed their
>>well-known firm in 1904.
>>
>Actually, the RR logo for Rolls-Royce has had two iterations.  The original
>logo was two silver R's colored with red enamaling.  When one of the
>founding partners (I believe it was Royce) died, the enamaling was changed
>to black and it has remained so 'til this day.

You're right -- Royce died on 22 April 1933, and (I believe) the Phantom II
and 20/25 adopted the black-lettered logo as a result.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

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From: pez@hitl.washington.edu (Pez)
Subject: any SEATTLE-area Toyota Landcruiser clubs?
Organization: industrial dance music appreciation society
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 09:03:42 GMT


a friend has a Toyota Landcruiser (1976 J40 model) and would like to know if
there are any associations/clubs in the Seattle area for fellow owners.

have any info?
please send email, i'll post in week or two.

thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Re: Do SPOILERS Really Work???
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:50:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.114624@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, 
hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:

>  From what I've heard, spoilers really don't do anything until you
>   reach high-speeds - like over 150 mph.

As I understand it, spoilers are used mainly for these two functions:

(1) to increase downforce in corners, so the car can go faster through them.  
This means drag will be increased at high speeds, so crews are always 
searching for a happy medium.

(2) to keep the car from thinking it's a plane at high speeds.

The earliest use of the spoiler that I know of is on the 1962 Ferrari 250 
GTO, the first of which had a duck-tail spoiler bolted onto the rear deck to 
make the car stick better in the corners.  They found that it worked quite 
well and the rest of these cars had the spoiler integrated into the bodywork.

Andy


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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: the Rec.Autos Archive Server 
Followup-To: rec.autos
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:02:02 GMT

Archive-name: rec-autos/part3

The Automotive Articles Archive Server:

the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted,
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili)
Subject: Re: Wheel alignment...
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:39:48 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: When to...?

In article <trung.724354231@sundance> trung@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran) writes:
>Auto experts, please help...
>
>Is there a certain time frame to do wheel alignment on a car?  When does
>one know that the car needs to have the wheels aligned?  What are the
>indications?
>

Well, I would not say that there is a time frame to do an alignment.
If you hit a curb or have an accident and it seems like your car is 
pulling to one side, an alignment may fix your problem.  

Furthermore, poor alignment can cause uneven tire wear.  Look at your old
tires and measure the depth of the grooves on the inside, middle and 
outside of the tire to see how they were worn.  

Of course, there's a whole slew of other problems which may lead to 
uneven tire wear.  Have a shop take a look at your car (for free).

-Payman 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: boris@pdx185 (Borislav Agapiev)
Subject: Tire recommendations for Lexus LS400
Keywords: Lexus LS400 tire recommendations
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:02:36 GMT

Hello

The original Goodyear Eagle GA tires on my Lexus LS400 are almost gone, after
22K. I expected them to last bit longer. I like the handling, though I feel
they're rather noisy. I am interested in other's experiences with tires for
LS400. I heard some recommendations, e.g. Toyo (claimed they're quieter), or
Goodyear Invicta GA. Somebody recently asked about Dunlop D80V4; I saw the ad
from Tire Rack where they seem to be quite inexpensive. Thanks,


						
							Borislav Agapiev

							boris@ichips.intel.com


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From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: FORD TAURUS taillight RIPOFF!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:02:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

FRANK,BART (bfrank@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu) wrote:
: The plastic cover on my '92 Ford Taurus was broken. It now has about a
: 2-3 inch hole in the middle of it roughly over the taillight. I called
: Ford to see if they had a new plastic cover in stock and got a quote 
: for $131! They want to sell me an entire rear light assembly which 
: includes three lihts (backup, brake/turn, and tail), plastic cover, 
: metal assembly, etc.  

Just out of curiosity, have you taken the unit out to take a look at it?
It is possible that the whole thing is a one piece item (lens, holder,
reflector and all) and that's why it is so expensive.  The tail light
assemblies on some cars are that way.  They are large, permanently 
assembled units that can not be repaired.  There are advantages to these.  
Assembly wise, it is easy for the assembly person, safety wise the 
housings are less likely to get contaminated with water/dirt/etc.  
It does make for an expensive puppy to replace, though.

Wes Fujii

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Wes Fujii               *           JAPANESE BUSINESS MOTTO           *
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mjwang@hfglobe.intel.com (Minjing Wang)
Subject: Altima buying advice wanted
Keywords: new car buying
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:56:16 GMT

I am thinking of buying a 93 Nissan Altima GXE.  Any advice from the
r.a world?  Does anyone know the dealer invoice price?

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.vw,alt.autos.antique,news.answers
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:21:14 CST
From: <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toppers for F150

My father has a Leer topper for his truck and structurally it has been great.
The paint, however, has oxidized about three years ago and now the once blue
topper looks like it's been driven through a ton of salt.  Like I said, the
topper is very durable and looks good but be wary of the finish.

Keith
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Chevy truck doors
From: brycerw@brandonu.ca
Date: 11 Dec 92 10:10:21 CST
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <RZAA80-031292164454@222.18.80.28>, RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com (Jim Chott) writes:
> I was at a Toyota dealer looking at the new T100.  The salesman
> raced over and started yakking about how great it was and how
> bad the American trucks are.  Put me in a bad mood to start with.
> Anyway, he said the doors on the new Chevy trucks are attached
> with adhesive, not bolts or welds.  Anybody know firsthand if 
> this is true or not and how they hold up?
> 
> Jim Chott                            85 Toyota 4WD pickup
> rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com             72 Lemans Sport Convertible
> Tempe, Arizona

As far as I know, they are welded.  People around here had a complaint about
that since the doors couldn't be adjusted at the hinges wore over time.

--Rob
From: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:30:17 GMT
Reply-To: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee)
Distribution: na

> wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>
>I was just curious where some of the emblems and names from the
>different manufacturer's come from (Ford is pretty obvious).
>In these days of "customer recognition" I'm sure that much
>attention is paid to these cosmetic details. 

	What about Datsun's goofy icon? It used to be an uppercase
"D". Then they changed it to a script uppercase "D". At least now it's
a round Nissan emblem with a rectangulat background; like of like
a planet and a moon with a rectangular orbit.

	Mazda is "MaZDa" and they always like to say it twice on the
trunk, once on the let, once on the right.

	Most Japanese cars use to tell you all the options the buyer
bought with a plethora of see-thru stickers on the glass. Like
ANTIFREEZE -30F		AUTOMATIC	AIR CONDITIONING
4-WHEEL DRIVE

Subaru was most noted for this.
JSLee
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Is Japan being fair ? (1/2)
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:53:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <issa.724040127@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>What is the hell I'm confusing or ignoring?  
>I'm stating NEWS and FACTS (at least according to C/D). Say what ever 
>you like, but don't tag me guilty for stating facts!!

In the "Is Japan Fair" discussion, the issue of industry subsidies came
up. You presented as argument the fact (which I did not dispute) that
ChryCo received huge (possibly illegal) subsidies for BUILDING A PLANT
in Lalaland.

I can only interpret the presentation of these facts as your counter-
argument that domestic auto companies also receive subsidies (in this
case by the Austrian government). 

My counter-argument was that you are confusing plant relocation 
subsidies offered to a SPECIFIC plant by LOCAL authorities with 
INDUSTRY-WIDE subsidies offered by the GOVERNMENT.

I also presented examples where plant relocation subsidies are quite
common in the US, while, government subsidies to the INDUSTRY (for
things like research, etc) are NOT.

>I forgot that only one-sided facts/news are allowed here.

It usually helps to concentrate on the discussion. You present a quote
as argument, I present counter arguments; That's how it works. To make
it even easier for you, here it is in multiple choice form:

[ ]  I understand what plant relocation subsidies are
[ ]  I understand what industry subsidies are
[ ]  I understand that plant relocation subsidies are common around the world
[ ]  I understand that while some countries subsidise research 
     and marketing (i.e. thru non-existence of anti-trust laws)
     some other countries don't.
[ ]  I understand there's a difference between plant relocation subsidies
     and industry wide subsidies

How many X's do you get to check? 

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: scha@gringo.usc.edu (Seungho Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Subaru Legacy??
Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:07:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: gringo.usc.edu

qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:

>--Amazingly, for $12,000 plus TTL you can get a brand new '92 Subaru Legacy L
>  with air, cassette, cruise, and power windows/locks/mirrors - a fully
>  loaded, reliable Japanese sedan the size of an Accord which sells poorly,
>  but is nearly as good as the Accord LX, which is the comparable model.

I bought 92 accord LX (5 spd, 4 dr) in July at 13100 + TTL.  It must be
much cheaper than that time, now.
I agree that Legacy is as much great as accord, though they have different
strong and weak points.  But if you consider re-selling after, say 5 years,
you have advantage with popular accord.  
Legacy was one of my 3 candidates when I was searching for the car in July.

- Seungho
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Subject:  Passat - to buy or not to buy
Reply-To: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:48:17 GMT

I am looking at a 91 passat GL.  Are there any horror stories out there.  Anyone know of particular problems to look for?
From: azirger@micro.caltech.edu (Art Zirger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1993 Ford Probe GT - a good buy?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 07:16:39 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: maia.micro.caltech.edu

I'm shopping for a car to have loads of fun with and the new Probe GT has been
getting lots of praise (even Consumer Reports!).  What is the net's feeling?  I
was comparing it with the Acura Integra GS-R, but the GS-R just doesn't have the
low RPM kick that the Probe does.  I drove the Probe (albeit an automatic) around
Southern California the last couple of days.  It was a blast.  Maybe it's just
because I own an '88 Hyundai Excel...  I'm just about ready to plunk down my hard
earned cash; I'd appreciate any words of wisdom.  Thanks.

Art Zirger.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe)
Subject: Re: OLDsmobile name change
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:04:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

Spiros Triantafyllopoulos writes:

>The Beretta is not an exotic weapon. My mother had a 9mm Beretta during WW2
>and she loved it! They were quite common... A segment on 60 minutes even
>said that Beretta opened up or was planning a factory in the US

And the gun itself is named after the Beretta family, who've been in the
business for over a hundred years.  There's been a Beretta USA factory
for a few years now.

The C&D comparison between the two Berettas was pretty funny though.

-Dave
From: dmoore@watson.bcm.tmc.edu (DeAnna Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: VOLVO
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:39:36 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.249.4.177

Interested on any information on volvo's, likes and dislikes, prices.

I would like to buy one (probably out of my price range but I would like 
to get as much info as possible, just in case)





Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Ways to make vehicle more visible when parked
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:37:37 GMT

I park my vehicle on the street on a cul-de-sac which seems very common
for the area of Toronto in which I live.  The other morning I noticed
the rear driver side corner had been struck by another vehicle - which of
course did not stay or leave contact information.  I am wondering
whether there are any ways I can mark the shape of the vehicle better,
so that its outline would stand out better to blurry eyed drivers.
Ideas: tape, reflective tape, reflective clip ons.  I am not certain
that the impact occured at night and so colors like yellow are of interest.
My vehicle is a burgundy Mazda pickup.  Who sells accessories in Canada that
would help, and fall short of painting the whole thing neon pink?

--Donald Teed
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OLDsmobile name change
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:20:04 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <14030@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>its name.  GM did not pick an Italian name at random, or it could just as well
>have called its model the Chevrolet Antonio, or something.  Instead, it took
                                     ^^^^^^
>the name of an exotic, European, weapon.  Cars are often named after weapons-
>Cutlass, Saber, etc.

That was a good one! 

The Beretta is not an exotic weapon. My mother had a 9mm Beretta during WW2
and she loved it! They were quite common... A segment on 60 minutes even
said that Beretta opened up or was planning a factory in the US (to circumvent
requirements for selling to police and government agencies, since they
preferred it to domestic weapons (mostly revolvers)

As far as the Chevy Antonio, does anyone know of car names that are actual
PEOPLE first names? 

Spiros
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CHP Beretta(!) sighted
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:47:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1992Dec7.160322.27875@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> LJ09735@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Jeff Schaefer) writes:

>On a related note, my cubemate got pulled over this weekend on I-280 near
>San Francisco this weekend by the latest CHP pursuit car....a Camaro w/Corvette
>engine.  Cop claimed it is being used for chasing the crotch-rocket motorcycles
>that frequently use that hwy for a racetrack.  Whether or not he was boasting
>we do not know, but the cop claimed the car has a tested top end of 157 mph.

Well, the crotch-rockets have top speeds of 185 mph and up,so what good
would that car do against a bike thatis much more manueverable?

>It is painted in the typical CHP black/white color scheme and has external
>light bar.  FYI........!
>
>-Jeff
From: bobski@pasadena-dc.bofa.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Not ALL YJs suck.........!!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:03:36 PDT
Organization: Bank America Systems Engineering, Pasadena, CA

In article <737@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, jmmst53+@pitt.edu (Jason M. Mccloskey) writes:
> I hve to agre with everyone who has written in saying what a heap the Jeeps are.
> 
> It is simply amazing to me that such a basic design could be screwed up so badly
> (A lot of Jeep problems described........) 
> Otherwise, don't waste your money -- buy an S-10 or Toyota --  if this is the
> best Jeep can do with what is basically a fifty + year old design, they deserve to lose their shirts to the Japanese.....
> 
> Jason.
> 
>   
 Gee.  I had an '88 Wrangler with a 5 sp and the 4.2L.... I abused the SHIT out
 of that thing, in sand,snow,mud,gravel,airborne,etc.  The only problem I ever
 had was in the desert when I got too psycho and sucked a shitload of sand into 
 the alternator.  It's wide track and torquey engine (especially at LOOOW rpms)
 make it run circles in an offroad situation around ANY of the minis and their
 sport-utility offspring, such as ranger/broncoII, toyota/4runner, hardbody/
 pathfinders, etcetcetc.  I've been thru a few 4wh vehicles (Suzuki,BroncoII,
 FJ40,Ranger,Wrangler,Cherokee), and while the Wrangler isn't very much fun on
 the hyway past about 40 mph, it is a kick in the ass off the road. 

 Trust me, very few Wranglers were abused the way I ripped mine up.

 Hummm....maybe mine was a lucky one....

               The skiman...........  



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From: trung@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran)
Subject: Wheel alignment...
Keywords: When to...?
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:30:31 GMT

Auto experts, please help...

Is there a certain time frame to do wheel alignment on a car?  When does
one know that the car needs to have the wheels aligned?  What are the
indications?

I've just replaced a whole set of tires (Yokohama - 225/50VR16) on my car
over the weekend.  And, I would like to know if I should have a wheel
alignment check.  The steering seems just a bit loose, but, I do feel a
little more stability from the new tires.  BTW, the last time I had the
wheel re-aligned was about 6,000 - 8,000 miles ago...

Thanks for any info...

-- 
Trung Tran	(408) 924-5106
trung@sjsumcs.SJSU.EDU
Math & Computer Science Dept.
San Jose State University
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum)
Subject: Re: Stretch Hyundai
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:37:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.185927.90589@watson.ibm.com> anand@watson.ibm.com () writes:
>I saw an amazing sight here in  NJ a while back:  A stretched Hyndai
>Excel. Looked quite cool. Jet black and tinted windows. I suppose a
>minor Mafia boss might get one assigned to him until he moved up to the
>big leagues. I can see the progression:
>Stretch Hyundai -> Stretch Camry -> Stretch Caddi -> Stretch Rolls
>
>R. Anand
>anand@watson.ibm.com

Actually, a minor Mafia Boss would probably stretch an old fiat or something....
.
any self respecting armani wearing mafia boss probably wouldnt be caught dead
in a hyunday.
.