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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Purity
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:33:44 GMT

In article <93004.014443SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.232019.3702@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner
>>In article <93001.140156SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon
>><SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>>My favourite, if grammatically incorrect, response to 'what are you?'
>>>questions is 'a people'.  If they stop blinking after 5 seconds or
>>>don't scream at you for being a wiseass you're probably ok.

>>What about when they smile condescendingly and erase you from the list
>>of "peoples" with whom they can hope to have an adult conversation?

>Once upon a time I thought I ought to go around opening people's
>minds by whatever means came ready to hand.  I turned out to be
>half decent at it, even, but I grew up a little and stopped.

Well, you stopped, anyway.  Is it so much harder to say something
like "labels don't work for me," and try to elicit from people
memories of situations in which *they* have been unpleasantly labeled
(an almost universal experience)?  And how is it less "adult" to
do so?  Especially by comparison to responding using the diction of
a three-year-old?

>Ever run into H. Beam Piper's test for an adult?  That reaction fails it.

It's been a while since I took any definition of "adult" from science
fiction novelists.  Their main target audience (teen-age boys, in the main)
and main purpose (escapism) argues against them as a likely source of
good ones.  There are exceptions, but I wouldn't count H. Beam Piper
among them.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: winsor@geek. (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: general dissatisfaction
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:01:34 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments
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In article <1993Jan10.202522.20882@udel.edu>, litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:

   
   I'll drink to that!!  (And I get to live with him.. nyah, nyah. {well, on the
   same floor anyway :)})
Waaaaaa!!!!!!  I want some, too!  What's 2500 (jillion) miles between
net.friends?  Fly down?  (in a plane)

   >Zoe
   >(feeling nice and fuzzy after white Zinfandel and Jim's hugs)
   
   Steve
   (feeling nice and fuzzy that soc.bi exists and so do the people on it)
me too.  :-)
And some extra hugs and flirts (complete with fluff) tossed about
with wild abandon!

john, wavering between fuzzy and whiney.   
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From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: a silly question
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:57:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.130455.11191@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>In article <93002.225303SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>What does some turn into when they aren't a mufin any more?
>>
>
>An ex-muffin.

Or --if you're like me (straight)-- you turn into a biscuit.

						Steve
						(hi meathead :-))

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| kyraan@bach,udel.edu          |       More man than you'll ever be...   |
| litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu    \   More woman than you'll ever get.     |
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From: winsor@Not Heresomewhere.out.there (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: What's a "partner"? (was Re: treating men as sex toys)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:56:32 GMT
Organization: Tiny Income
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Reply-To: winsor@Not Heresomewhere.out.there (js)
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Muffy:
*** point being that, to me, the sex of a "sex toy" does not matter, as the
*** attraction is then simply for sex, not for a person.  To consider myself
*** as attracted to both sexes, I have to want more than simply a sex
*** partner (although I must say that sex partners are pretty great...
*** *grin*).  If *all* I wanted with people of one sex was sex, then I
*** wouldn't feel that I wanted *people* of that sex, just sex-with-anyone- 
*** that-will-hold-still.
Well, here I go on a serious (ack! OOP! thpthp!!) again.  Hold STILL and
it will ooooonly take a <grapple grapple ...thud> *minute*.  There, now.
What is exactly wrong with "sex-with-anyone-that-will-hold-still" being
a viable definition of "bisexual"?  I understand that it is not yours, or
mine for that matter, but I think that it has merit in this:  If someone
is *willing* to have sex-with-anything-that-moves (we assume human, for now),
then I believe that that willingness necessarily implies bisexuality.

*** Speaking of which, why is the myth "bisexuals with have sex with
*** anything at moves?"  I would think that holding still would be the first
*** requisite...otherwise, they might escape...*grin*.
I would point out that teenage-heterosexual-boys carry the  myth of 
"having sex with any girl/woman/seemed-to-be-female-at-the-time-person".
Point is, every form of sexuality carries its own baggage - not just
bisexuals and gays and lesbians.

Also, I have had all of you holding-still since the <thud> above.
Have we all had sex yet?  Did I miss it again.  DamnDamnDamnDamn.

john, or js, or that guy with the incredibly stupid .sig nature (bad, I know)

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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Conversions
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:36:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.060143.19761@udel.edu>
     litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:

>I mentioned that several people had been doing their darnedest to
>"convert" me.  Now I'd never thought about it, but Brendan was incensed
>that people were interfering in someone else's soul searching.  He
>feels (and I agree now that I think about it) that someone's coming out
>should be a personal event/struggle with other people there to be
>supportive, not influential.

   Depends on what they were doing.  And what you were doing.  After
all, whether people are being "supportive" or "influential," all
they're doing (unless they're physically restraining you) is giving you
information.  I _don't_ allow Jehovah's Witnesses to be near me for
long unless I'm fully armed and ready for battle... the meme equivalent
of latex, so to speak.

   *You* permitted yourself those peoples' presence, and you had a
reason for doing so, right?  You weren't averse to the information they
were passing you.  Now, if a good friend of your own gender held you
down and *tickled* you (not an uncommon occurence at some 'cons) I
might wonder if they had the unspoken agenda of "convincing" you to be
comfortable while in close physical contact with them... but it's up to
you to decide when to tell them to "knock it off."

         Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
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From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: Hi There
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:41:59 GMT

In article <8JAN199318520639@zeus.tamu.edu> dsr6190@zeus.tamu.edu (RANWALA, DON SUJEEWA DEVAPRIY) writes:
>
>I am a bi-sexual male.  I study architecture at Texas A&M University.  I am
>delighted to know that there is a bi-sexual net. I am kind of new to the scene.

*sniff sniff*

Do I smell some fresh muffin?

*sniffs again*

I think I do.
GOODY!

*runrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrun*
*POUNCE*
*licklicknibblesqueezecoogropehughughugnibblelick*
*purrrrrrrrrrrrr*

Welcome to the group.  I offer lots and lots of e-affection
(on a purely voluntary basis, of course).  Unfortunately I
don't have a clue about the bi romance publications.

(although I sense a response coming from js soon, at least
about the Austin part of the question)

>Sujeewa.

Darren
(happy to see another post coming from Texas)
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From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Purity
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:50:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.180947.21747@tcsi.com> miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
|In article <1993Jan6.170050.4120@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
|>   The people who compulsively sort people into bins will have a
|>bin for _everyone_, despite how you try to get out.  You really and
|>truly can't win against an anal-compulsive sorting disorder.
|>                ____
|>  david parsons \bi/ "bin 7, yes, the one with the flashing neon tubes
|>                 \/   and radwaste warning"

   .
   .
|Is "anal-compulsive sorting disorder" yet another bin, by the way?

   Bin 10
                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ "wondering if it's time to start crossposting to
                  \/   talk.bizarre and alt.filofax yet..."
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: grumble
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:29:23 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Why can't we have the use of a "safeword" at a job interview?

- Heather
  picking the claws out of her nose ... 
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- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Purity
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:43:50 GMT

In article <MUFFY.93Jan7184131@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.014238.17022@netcom.com> boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser) writes:
>
>> Roy was telling me that if hets could use their sexuality to oppress others,
>> then turn about was fair play, and maybe even necessary.  And I agreed, but
>
>Why did you agree, especially when you say this:
>
>> I was wondering the whole time when the fighting would end, when sexuality
>> wasnt flung around like a brick laden glove at someone's face.
>
>How can fighting end if each "side" keeps starting more and more fights,
>and being more and more divisive?

Maybe I'm missing some context, but I really don't see how you can "use"
your sexuality to oppress others.  You can oppress other people FOR their
sexuality, but how does your own become a piece of ammunition?

J. Edgar Hoover oppressed queers, and was himself gay.  So were some very
people in Adolf Hitler's inner circle, even as gays were being herded
into death-camps, if I remember right.  So clearly, you don't need to
have a different sexuality to do this.

Sexuality is one thing.  Oppression is another.  Other people's sexuality
might be a pretext for oppressing them, but your own sexuality need not
be an insurmountable barrier nor even a relevant instrument to this end.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
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From: smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir)
Subject: Re: Bi-wariness
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:57:16 GMT

In article <C0KKq3.DKK@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>In article <1ikrip$7vb@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>>
>>How is refusing to date someone because of their orientation inherently
>>oppressive? How is it oppressive on the same level that lesbians and gays
>>are being discriminated against?  
>>
>For me it invalidates my orientation/preference.  It doesn't give me
>respect because I am attracted to both sexes.  I am told through such
>an action that I am unimportant and not legitamate.  I think that GL
>people are invalidated by heterosexism.  I think that bi people are 
>invalidated by biphobia and lesgay centrism.

I hear what you are saying.. someone giving you the attitude that you
are 'impure' and not a REAL lover of women...Yuck. However, I think I
agree with Roy. The only way that this would really make a difference
is if you were trying to appeal to the lesbian community for approval.

Separatists are separatists, regardless of orientation.

I disagree with you that GL people are 'invalidated' by het people. That
would give het people too much power. They may be oppressive, they may be
rude, but they don't have that kind of power.

A phobia, by definition is a fear. It isn't rational. Asking them why they
don't like you will probably not get you the answers that you are looking
for. Most of the reasons I have heard have been pretty lame. There has
only been one concern that has been brought up to me that wasn't all that
offensive. "What do women do for you?" or "How can I compete with what I
don't understand?" 

>I sort of think that if they believe in equality on the basis of sexual orien-
>tation they do have a duty to consistency to listen and care.

But in the end, they will only see what they are willing to see. I am
surprised how often I get the "Oh, Bi's are fine, just not around me" bit.
They don't realize how two faced that is.

Scott

-- 
Scott Moir  /  Satyr on IRC    ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
smoir@world.std.com            \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+!) s+ m r p+    \/\/  # "What's that?"
Also: pentangl@ursa-major.spdcc.com   # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbsl
From: winsor@Not Heresomewhere.out.there (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I'm coming!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 20:10:42 GMT
Organization: Tiny Income
Distribution: world
Reply-To: winsor@teng.ppd.ti.com (js)
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

In article <1993Jan9.132816.10172@netcom.com>, boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser) writes:
*** winsor@Not Heresomewhere.out.there (js) writes:
*** >boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser) writes:
*** >*** This is almost enough to make me wish I wont be in Alaska in
*** >*** a week.  almost. <grin>
*** >*** 
*** >*** ....jeff
*** >
*** >What would make it not "almost" anymore.
*** >
*** >(blatant flirt)
*** >
*** >john
*** 
*** <laugh>  actually john..  it would take quite a bit, sorry.
*** I have someone i love up there that I'll be visiting, and
*** I have been waiting almost a year to give her a hug and a
*** kiss and a back rub and a front rub and..  whew, im going
*** to have to take a cold shower.
cool.  I'll see *you* on the next trip for sure, buddy.
If there *is* a next trip.  (probly)
So, start planning how to entertain a jaded Silicon Gultch
visitor.  flirt flirt flirt

*** its nice to be appreciated though.  have roy give you
*** a hug for me, Ill reimburse him. <winks at roy before
*** he can call me a flirt again>
You're committed, Roy.  And be sure to have a pic of   .....jeff
for me to oggle at, okay?  Please?  Pretty Please?
(hint to .....jeff:  insure that Roy has one to show?  :-) )

john

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From: winsor@Not Heresomewhere.out.there (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Friends and Lovers (was Re: treating men as sex toys)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:30:34 GMT
Organization: Tiny Income
Distribution: world
Reply-To: winsor@Not Heresomewhere.out.there (js)
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In article <1993Jan8.110224.6695@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
*** In article <1iidfeINN8r3@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@Not Heresomewhere.out.there (js) writes:
*** >In article <1993Jan7.163651.27410@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
*** >*** Blurring boundaries is the
*** >*** first step in breaking them down....
*** >Or, alternatively, you could take an unused ICBM to the blamed things
*** >and be done with the matter all together.
*** 
*** That's all very well, but what if someone else is trying to build them
*** up as fast as you're trying to knock them down?

Golly, with the materials obliterated, who could manage to sift
any nuggets to use for repair.  Remember, "ICBM."
(Not that it's *possible*.  Just a lewd fantasy of mine.  :-) )

john
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From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: TV..The drug of a nation
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:49:14 GMT

In article <1440300001@gn.apc.org> exchangez@gn.apc.org (Zina Kaye) writes:
>
>Hello from another first poster
>
>Wishing you the spunkiest of 93's...
>};->
>
>Zina. 

Hallo.  I hope my 1993 is spunky and funky and hoppy.  And your's too.
Hugs and welcome
BTW, I like your name.

-- 
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   Deconstruct your Gender          Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
Give me life, Give me pain,         It just means use your imagination. 
Give me myself again.  Tori Amos.            Billy Bragg 
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From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Extremely boring META thread  
Organization: who, me?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:36:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.054917.15848@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>Back to the party: are those little cabbalistic conversations the stuff of
>email? The people in the garden, are they people interacting outside the Net,
>and are the people in the other rooms people elsewhere on it?


Why am I suddenly mowed down by images from _The Norman Conquests_??
_That's_ what we are!  A houseparty!  On a very long, strange weekend
(yes, yes, gratuitous "what a long, strange weekend it's been")....


Piglet, who's really pissed that the local Shlockbuster doesn't carry it...
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bloody Media
Keywords: aaarrgghhh!!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:02:09 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <12271@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>
><begin rant>
>
> [ Rant about media reporting of the death of Rudolph Nureyev ]
>
><end rant>
>
Funny, I must be reading the wrong papers, or watching the wrong TV or
something -- it slipped by me without too much noise, and it was only
some casual reference in another item (which I will have a go at in a
moment) that even mentioned the possibility of him having died as a 
result of AIDS.  The way his health was going it wouldn't exactly be
a surprise, though.  The assumption of gay/bi ==> at risk of having
AIDS is, however, annoying to say the least, particularly when it comes
from the family doctor -- and I was only seeing him 'cause I was at 
home (this was over Christmas) and suffering from tonsilitis -- and he
didn't mention it until after I'd come out to him.  Sort of "Hmmm, ill,
markedly underweight and, oh, he's gay -- could well be HIV, couldn't
it?" -- christ, I'm sure I wouldn't have been treated like that if I 
were straight.

Anyway, the news item that got my back up was an interview with Cliff
Richard, and a campaign he's just started to get Christians to treat
AIDS sufferers with compassion.  Go think about that -- it is necessary
to have *campaign* to get Christians to care.  I suppose it's the old
"You can only get HIV from immoral acts" argument implicit in there,
but it really bugged me that such action seems to be needed....

--
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From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Subject: Re: Conversions
Organization: University of Delaware Alumni
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:09:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.033716.7361@wierius.uucp> firewind@wierius.uucp (Tom Parker) writes:
>
>[Egads, it looks like I've been enticed out of the net.closet!]

...and into the open where I can pounce on you and give you all sorts of
hugs, backrubs and massages.

Welcome to the group!



>-- 
>"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not
> become a monster.  And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also
> looks into you." -- Nietzsche
>firewind@wierius.UUCP  or  ..!enuucp!telesys!wierius!firewind


-James

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I don't mind if I never, ever meet you		   | 			____
I love you just the way you seem		   | jcarroll@		\bi/
I don't mind all the things they say about you	   |  brahms.udel.edu	 \/
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From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst)
Subject: Re: Conversions
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:32:43 GMT

In article <lknhi1INNanp@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.060143.19761@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
>>Okay, this is something that came up in a conversation at EveCon ...
>---
>
>	What was EveCon?
>
>william

EveCon:  A weekend at the DoubleTree Inn in Crystal City, VA consisting of 
	several hundred really strange people gathering together in the common
	interest of a three day party.  It's a sci-fi convention on the surface
	but was described by a friend of mine as "three days of how much can you
	drink, how many drugs can you do and how many people can you sleep with.
	It happens avery year on the first weekend after New Years.  Next year
	it will be the 31st, 1st and 2nd.  It ought to be interesting.

						Steve

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From: winsor@teng.ppd.ti.com (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: What to do at a bar?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:42:01 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: world
Reply-To: winsor@teng.ppd.ti.com (js)
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In article <tYg=FX+@engin.umich.edu>, rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:

} but I'd have to say more than half are there for sex.  I find it
} a lot easier to pick up a gay man in these circumstances than a het
} (or bi) woman who's out at a non-sexual-orientation-labelled bar.
} But other than it being easier, there's no difference.
Hey, aren't you on record (tm) as het?

js
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Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:26:54 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Set the WayBack Machine (Coming Out)


{post, most of, darkness, outer, hurled, mercy, with, abscence of}
>Anastasia is currently insisting over my shoulder that I add that I
>simply look like someone people would rather not mess with.  I suppose
>with a B7 beard, longish braided hair, the leather boots & jacket, I'm
>starting to look a lot like a biker.  *laugh*  So much for the classic
>stereotype of what a bisexual male looks like.  }:]

>Bright Blessings,
>--
>|  ..   Ian Silver/Silver Tiger/AgTiger      | Modem:  1-613-542-5110   ..
>| .OO.  Email: SILVERI@QUCDN.QueensU.CA      | Landmail: PO BOX 333    .OO.
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But, but, Ian, you're just a wee slip of a thing.... (puzzlement)

Unit comma maternal comma recovered comma further interogative

Graydon
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