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From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: UW's Tattoo
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Fairbanks, Alaska...no wait, that's not right...
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In article <184mu2INN17i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa519@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scotty Meredith) writes...
> 
>Anyone notice at Summer Slam, Ultimate Warrio had a tattoo on his right
>bicep.  It looked faded, like it has been there for a few years (like Rick
>Rude's anchor).  Did he just get it?  I never noticed it.
> 
>Scotty

Uh, no.  This is another fnord part of the conspiracy McMahon has fnord
concocted to make sure fnord that no one recognizes fnord St*v* D*s*lv*.  

Fnord.  Or kill me.

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Asking marks
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:05:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

evan@flatiron (Evan L. Marcus [Fusion Systems Group, Ltd.]) writes:

>Knowing what we all know about the WWF, what sorts of things would you like
>to ask a sincere 100% WWF mark?  I don't mean this in a mocking way, but
>rather to see how these things are rationalized.

>I'll compile a list.

Were Sapphire and Dusty an item, or just friends?
Does Sapphire still work for the Million $ Man?
What ever happened to Marty Janetty?  Was he hurt that badly when
  Sean Michaels put his head through the window of the barber shop?
Who was Brother Love that he was allowed to do his show on the WWF
  syndies?  Was he a born-again Christian, or was he making fun of
  such people?
Why do the Bushwhackers lick each other?

Tom
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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: RSPW Weekly Ratings
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:19:36 GMT

This is the first installment of Wawczak's RSPW Weekly Ratings:

For the period ending September 12, 1992:

The Top Ten Singles:                     The Top Ten Tag-Teams:

1- Ron Simmons                           1- Arn Anderson & Bobby Eaton
   WCW World Heavyweight Champion  

2- Ric Flair                             2- Legion of Doom (Hawk & Animal)
   WWF World Heavyweight Champion

3- "Ravishing" Rick Rude                 3- Earthquake & Typhoon
   WCW US Champion                          WWF World Tag-Team Champions

4- Randy "Macho Man" Savage              4- Terry Gordy & Steve Williams
                                            NWA & WCW World Tag-Team Champs
             
5- Masa Chono                            5- Rick & Scott Steiner
   NWA World Heavyweight Champion

6- Davey Boy Smith                       6- Stan Lane & Dr. Tom Pritchard 
   WWF InterContinental Champion            SMW Tag-Team Champions 

7- Jake "The Snake" Roberts              7- Sting & Nikita Koloff


8- Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat          8- Butch Reed & Barbarian   
   WCW World TV Champion

9- Bret "The Hitman" Hart                9- The Moondogs

 
10- Big Van Vader                        10- Ted DiBiase & IRS
 

 
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"I'm a 60 minute man, and I'm ALL night long! WOOOOOO!!!"
        - "The Real World's Heavyweight Champion"(tm)  Ric Flair
 
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Hawaiian Crush
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:42:26 GMT

So, is our pal Bryan Adams really from Hawaii? I always thought Crush
was from Portland, or thereabouts.

If he isn't from Hawaii, then why is Vince making a big deal about him
supposedly being from there? Like, what difference does that make, or
is he now going to start wearing grass skirts to the ring and be
billed as The Hawaiian Crush, adding a stupid nickname above an
already strange image, a la Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake?

And is it just me, or did it look today like Bryan has been taking
"Hulking" lessons? His mannerisms during today's Superstars match
looked very similar to those of Mr. Bollea...the bulging eyes in
particular.

Random thoughts.

Michael
From: ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Re: Perfect's Insurance Policy
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01: 28:04 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:28:04 GMT
Received-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01: 28:10 CDT


Brian, I've mentioned Curt's insurance policy with Lloyd's
of London THREE times in the last year... where have you been?

		--Otto "Hack-Man" Heuer
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Cactus/Snake Intervie
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

RGJ>He should be called "Classic" Cactus Jack!!

His match with Dustin on WCW Pro today was great.  Falls count anywhere.
It was much better than the Worldwide match.

RGJ>Richard "Still looking for Tommy Young" Gaines, Jr.

He's out of the sport, due to a neck injury.
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Two Questions...
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:22:36 GMT

Greetings,

Two questions here that have been bothering me for a long time. These
have probably been discussed at length sometime in the past, so my
apologies in advance for boring you. :)

1) When Sgt. Slaughter and Ultimate Warrior held the WWF title, the
color of the strap kept changing, from black, to white, to blue, and
perhaps a couple of others. Why? When Hogan held the title, the color
of the strap never changed. Ditto with Flair and Savage. It was always
black.


2) When the WWF signs a wrestler, what comes first, the image, or the
person? Does the WWF sign Scott Hall and then say, well, what image
should we make for you? Or do they say, hey, let's create a greasy
latino character, now who should we sign to play him? And how much
veto power does a wrestler have over what character he will play?

Much thanks for any responses.

Michael
"I am oooozzzzing machismo...the rest of you just ooozzzzing."
From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Off the top Rope rule (WCW)
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:25:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


  While Jim Ross said that the fans voted clearly to get rid of the DQ for
that, he hasn't said for sure if that is in fact what WCW is doing.  He said
he will talk to Watts about it.  Are they getting rid of the rule?  If so:

  A) When are they (by Havoc hopefully) going to do it?
  B) here they just using thewhole DQ rule to show "how much imput the fans
     have" and "we care what you think"?
  C) Will the Barbarian now expand his number of moves to include his
     clothesline from the top rope?  I mean, how many other wrestlers
     can boast of two finishing moves (that and the boot to the face, it's
     got to be less than several hundred thousand)?


                               Fippster 6
From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: What is a Prince of Darkness match?
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:59:25 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> 00njhavert@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
> 
>         What the hell is a Prince of Darkness match? And for that
> matter what are a Texas Bull Rope match and a Coal Miner's glove
> match?
> 


Coalminer's glove match: A coalminer's glove, loaded with "metal", is suspended
from a stick. You have to climb to the top turnbuckle to get it. Once you get
it, you get to clobber the other wrestler with it ... this blow usually knocks
the opponent out.

Sometimes it ends with the heel getting it first, lining up the face for the
fatal blow, only to swing and miss ... the face then rolls up the heel for the
win.

Another scenario is the heel getting it first, then dropping it in the ring,
the face gets it, and then clobbers the heel.
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Please, no more Re: P
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:18:36 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Andy Patrizio writes:
> 
> What makes you think they get along famously? I'd be pretty mad at a guy
> who knocked me out with a chair. :-)


Piper hit Vinnie with the chair, not Flair.
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From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: superstars 9/5
Date: 5 Sep 1992 17:19:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
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In a previous article, jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson) says:

>I'm watching 'Wrestling Superstars' right now, and they have not
>acknowledged Ric Flair's championship victory.  In fact, Mc$ keeps
>alluding to Ric's chance of winning the title is about zero (???)
>Ric has called a press conference for the next show, here he will 
>make an announcement, hinting about 'plan B'.  Mc$ baits Hennig about
>Flair dumping Heenan and/or Hennig, but Hennig just denies it.
>Hennig hints he and Heenan may dump Flair.  Just -when- do you figure
>Mc$ will tell us Flair's the champion?

Hmmmmmm, let's look at it this way.  Even if Flair did win the belt in
Hershey its too late now to acknowledge it.  Also, Plan B smells like a
face turn for Flair.  But if Flair turns face he can't challenge a face
Savage right?  Its much too soon after the face-face face-off at
Summerslam.  So, if Flair is set to become (one of) the next WWF champs
it will have to be against a heel champ, right Chico?

Things that make you go 
>
>Hmmmmmm.

Then again, the alleged Flair winning of the the WWF championship might
get packaged as a PPV entitled 'That Tuseday in Hershey'.

>					Jeremy Nelson
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>jnelson@iastate.edu
>four
>lines
>suffice.

Really, you should give up cocaine.
-- 
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From: gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Wrestling Poll
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:01:29 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Who are your all-time favorite single wrestlers(pick 2)?
Who are your 2 favorite tag teams?  
Who is the best single wrestler of all time?
Who is the best tag team of all time?

I hope to post the results by next Tuesday.




(My favorite single wrestlers are Ric Flair and Harley Race. My favorite
tag teams are Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard and the Midnight Express.)
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Flair, Hogan, WWF, NWA, e
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

BW>As I understand it, Flair signed a two-year contract with the WWF. Therefore
  >his contract should run out in late August/early September of 1993. I don't
  >think there is any doubt that he's going back to WattsWorld after his
  >WWF stint, so Vince has about a year to completely screw up Flair's

Sure, there is doubt.  Watts has been cleaning out as many of the high
salaried guys as he can.  I am not sure that he wants Flair back.  He
likes mentioning his name to stimulate calls to the 900 line though.

  >reputation. The question is, will Vince give Flair the title back within
  >the next year so that Hogan can win it in the long overdue "Battle of the
  >Legends". If he does this, he risks building up Flair's market value (as a

The answer is Yes.  But I am not sure if Hogan will ever come back.
From what I have heard, he has no plans on coming back at the present
time.  he definitely will not work a full schedule if he does.

BW>In my opinion, and I think this is further proved by Hellwig's shrinking
  >physique, the wrestler of the 90's for the WWF, and the next Hulk Hogan, wil
  >be none other than Lex Luger.

Again, I disagree.  Keep in mind that by the time Luger is able wrestle,
when his contract expires in March of next year, he will be 34 years
old.  People are saying Hogan is old at 38.

BW>Also, keep in mind that if Hogan ever does have his true retirement match,
  >he will probably want to beat the only man he's ever been pinned by: UW.

In the WWF alone, he was also pinned by Andre, albeit unfairly.

BW>Luger over Flair for the WWF title

That would be a change.  Also a mistake.  Luger's disdain for wrestling
should keep anyone with a brain, read McMahon, from putting the strap on
him.
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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: Re: RSPW Weekly Ratings
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:18:25 GMT

In <BuJo78.AM8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:

>>These ratings are my personal opinions. I would be happy to change the format
>>and let the ratings be based on rspw reader input, but it seems that there is
>>a prevailing attitude of egotism on this group.
>Nobody ever even invited my input.  <sob, sob, sound of grown
>man crying, and blowing his nose>
> 
>>Many people feel that they are
>>too good to participate in this kind of stuff or that it is wasting net
>>bandwidth,
>I think having an informal poll of people's favorites is a good idea,
>if someone's willing to do the grunt work of tallying votes.


Seriously, if anybody is interested in actually sending me their weekly  
ratings, I would be more than happy to compile them and do all of the
"grunt" work. E-mail me if you're interested....

Ratings should be based on won-loss records on tv & house shows, overall
pushes, and work inside the ring. Most importantly, everyone's opinion
should be diverse!  

--

ventura@camelot.bradley.edu  

"I'm a 60 minute man, and I'm ALL night long! WOOOOOO!!!"
        - "The Real World's Heavyweight Champion"(tm)  Ric Flair
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Magazine (Sept. Issue)
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:06:01 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <993@cybaswan.UUCP>, ccjames@cybaswan.UUCP (j hussell) writes:

[mindless drivel deleted... thankfully]

Do not be alarumed.  'Tis only someone who actually believes all the WWF
propaganda... poor creature.

I think from here we should get maybe our favourite Hardcore Alaskan to open up
his flame guns.

                 Offering forth (and fourth, maybe) my not so
                 humble opinion, and giving a big tip of the
                 sig to a fellow Ren and Stimpy fan,

                 ***Dan Fielding, Sexiest Man In The World***
                 Where there is no studliness, there is no Dan.
From: wgreene@sdf.lonestar.org (Wayne Greene)
Subject: Re: Lex Luger Accident Rumor
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:31:24 GMT

In article <iNyLqB6w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
>TODD BOBENRIETH <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>> I heard from a reliable source that Lex Luger was in some kind of
>> motorcycle accident and that he is in Magnum TA condition...has anyone
>> else heard this? That would suck, especially if he was to get the title
>> at Mania IX. I'm anxious to hear responses...
>
>
>Nope...Luger's disappearance can be blamed on the WBF's failure.
> 
>Another casualty of the WBF demise: Cameo Kneuer.
> 
>Hopefully, she still co-hosts Body Stars. But enough of *MY* hormones...
Lex Luger was in a motorcycle accident, but it was not as serious as the
Magnum TA.  Lex suffered arm and elbow injury.  That is why he is not
being seen, in addition to the WGB, err, WBF failure, and to his contract
with WCW which prevented him from wrestling for WFF ,  WWF for awhile.
(mispellings free of charge)

   Wayne G.
From: spr@prism.gatech.EDU (Stefan Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: PWI Top 500
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:30:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep13.162755.369@zip.eecs.umich.edu> macika@emunix.emich.edu (Power Geeking Burger Flipping Spider Worshiping Softball Playing Warlock) writes:
|The December issue of PWI has the 2nd annual top 500 North American wrestlers
|listing.  I really didn't feel like typing in the entire list, but here's
|the top 100, plus some miscellanious selections from the rest.  It's a laugher,
|really.  If I took the same 500 wrestlers and ranked them, I doubt I'd come
|up with anything near this.
|
|
|  1	Sting
|  2	Randy Savage
|  3	Ric Flair
|  4	Rick Rude
|  5	Bret Hart
|  6	Rick Steamboat
|  7	Jerry Lawler
|  8	Scott Steiner
|  9	Ultimate Warrior
| 10 	Steve Austin
| 11	Rick Steiner
| 12	Hulk HOgan
| 13	Barry Windham
| 14	Steve Williams
| 15	Big Van Vader
| 16	Shawn Michaels
| 17	Nikita Koloff
| 18	Jushin Riger
| 19	Arn Anderson
| 20	Ron Simmons

The top twenty aren't too far off. I would have adjusted them somewhat (Sting
better than Flair?), but at least they got most of the right names.


| 53	Razor Ramon

What?  At 53?


| 77	Marcus Alexander Bagwell

Ha Ha Ha!


|136	Doug Furnas

Yeah, right. Should be much higher.



|491	Andre the Giant

A man that can't walk anymore shouldn't be in the top XXX of this list.

|-- 
|Dominic Macika

Thanks for the service.



  |\   _		Stefan Roth
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From: spr@prism.gatech.EDU (Stefan Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: CoC Results
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:40:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BuE2xx.2HI@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
>In article <10SEP199211330560@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan) writes:
>> [Re: the Steiners]  
>> Actually, they represent what is wrong with most of today's wrestling. 
>> Look at their matches more carefully.  Do they really work like they
>> give a shit?  It certainly doesn't appear that way to me.  Scott does
>> his finisher without any regard as to whether it even looks like he's
>> trying.  Oh, I know, the Frankensteiner is a "sacred cow" and I should
>> not put it in a bad light.

>  For once in my life, I actually agree wholeheartedly with Sean!

Are you sure this is the only time???

>
>  The Steiners are lazy.  They like to show off if it makes them look
>  good, which means only when a camera is on.  Even then, they can't
>  sell worth a damn.  Their matches have to be squashes for them to
>  look awesome.  They do nothing to put their opponents over.  
>  
[...]
>
>                                                        Herb... 

I couldn't agree more. It's about time people figured outthe Steiners aren't
God's gift to p-w.

Regarding Scott: He has never been able to sell opponents' moves. This started
way back when he started in Detroit's WWA, continued on in Memphis, and is
still true in the WCW.

One problem is that of believability. His physique and skills look so good,
it's hard to believe (for a mark) that he could be hurt or lose a match.
The real problem seems to be that Scott's success has gone to his head. He
won't sell moves and he isn't very good at it anyway. At the best of times he
acts hurt by staying down on the mat for a few seconds before getting up again.
Maybe he should take lessons from Dusty and Dustin. Seriously.

Rick is much better at selling moves than Scott, though it's rare for him to do
it as well as he can.

I hope Bill Watts continues to make them job every now and then to break their
mentality of invincibility.


  |\   _		Stefan Roth
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: WWF minor leagues
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:07:18 GMT

In article <1685C9D4B.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice) writes:
> In article <2390.137.uupcb@ssr.com>
> dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) writes:
> >The WWF and The USWA have formed a working agreement.  Titan will supply
> >lower grade guys for USWA cards and the USWA will kind of work as a
> >minor league for Titan, among other things.
> This is similar to the agreement Titan has with the IWCCW, right?
> Is Titan continuing to work with the IWCCW or has that arrangement
> come to an end?

  The deals aren't really the same.  Way back when, Titan cut down their
  house show schedule, meaning that a bunch of wrestlers who were without
  programs in the WWF wouldn't get regular work from the WWF.  Those wrestlers
  were still under contract though, so they were sort of screwed.  Vince
  decided that they could arrange their own bookings with any group except
  WCW (and GWF at the time).  Hence, guys like Tito Santana, Koko Ware,
  and the Sheepwhackers showed up in smaller promotions.  

  The current deal with USWA does mean that stale or unused talent will
  go there to work.  It also means that green talent can be sent there
  to gain experience before Vince gives them national exposure.  It also
  means that Vince can try out stupid gimmicks without hurting the WWF.  
  It also means that WWF house shows in the USWA area will have USWA wrestlers 
  on the undercard.  

  I don't know if the new deal means that wrestlers who are under contract
  with the WWF but not currently in a WWF program can arrange to work for
  a group other than the USWA.  

                                                            Herb...
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Asking marks
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:09:58 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <21891.9209141446@flatiron.fsg.com>, evan@flatiron (Evan L. Marcus [Fusion Systems Group, Ltd.]) writes:
> 
>> Any other thoughts?
>

Trying to confound marks with my brilliant insight, I would ask them:

-> How come wrestlers never get arrested for assault? (The Mountie for
   using his shock-stick, Nailz for using the night stick,etc.) After
   all, this stuff isn't part of the match. Wouldn't a baseball player
   get arrested for attacking an opposing player with a bat after the
   game? 

-> How come when a wrestler connects with an elbow drop, it doesn't hurt
   him, but when his intended victim moves away and his elbow hits the
   mat, it *does* hurt? Even when skulls and ribs are probably harder than
   the mat?

in the same vein...

-> How come the person *giving* the head butt never gets hurt?
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