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From: macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Quick Microsoft bash! ;-) (Word not closing files properly)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:04:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <906699.2A686D55@cmhgate.fidonet.org> Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
>lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein) writes:
>
>LR> First, a Word processor shouldn't have a Delete Files command. 
>LR> That's an example of the trend towards bloated apps. 
>
>Well, I think such a feature comes from both the DOS world and from the days
>before MultiFinder was a commonly used feature.  There were (and probably are)
>many people who just use their computers as word processing machines.  In such
>situations, a Delete Files... command would be very nice to have.  (In DOS

I wholeheartedly agree that it's a nice feature and all, but:
-I don't think it was MicroSoft's responsibility to do it
-I don't think MS did it the right way (there's too many things on MS Word's
 menus already... and "Short Menus" sucks (and besides... who's idea was it
 to modify dialog boxes with full/short menus?))
-I think that such a feature should be included as a part of the system
 software... that way it'd be *in all applications*, *and* it would be
 the same in all apps.
-A second option is to have the feature as an INIT/extension... that way
 those who need it have, and those who don't, don't. (Of course, I think
 the INIT included with Norton Utils (1.0 at least) does the job admirably.
 I can't say how ofter I've added folders on the fly, etc. with this INIT
 (whose name escapes me right now).

-Den
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From: crs@castle.ed.ac.uk (C R Smart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Fill-in-the-blanks documents in Pagemaker 4.0?
Keywords: PageMaker
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:12:32 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng) writes:

>In article <12333@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Les Carr) writes:
>>I've recently had to produce a little training manual
>>where the students have to fill in missing words. To
>>show where the missing words are, the actual text is replaced
>>by a ruled line---you've all seen the kind of thing.
>>
>>I've been trying to work out the best way to do this in PageMaker
>>(or anything, really!) since to paste in actual lines in the text

>The easiest thing to do would be to set up tabs with leaders. Leaders are
>characters that appear before the tab starting from the place where you hit
>the tab key.
>Hope that solves the problem!

Using tabs and leaders will not then allow editing of the text in that
a tab is at a fixed position with regard to the edge of the text
block.

An alternative solution might be to use an underline character "_" and
increase the leading slightly to give the writer more space.

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From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid: Call for Solutions
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:05:35 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton) writes:

ME> Ive been following this particular thread for awhile, and 
ME> id just like to say that yes, your scheme would work for nomal 
ME> computer users... but (theres always a but!)... there *are* 
ME> plenty of organized groups, in and out of the workplace. They 
ME> would have a ball with this scheme. 

I don't think this is a problem.  The copyright laws and license agreements
still exist, and can still be enforced by whatever means.  And companies would
still be a huge target for organizations like the SPA, if they continued to
pirate software like that.

I think the argument holds up very well that the company takes some risk when
it distributes the software to its employees without paying for each copy.  At
the very least, when a disgruntled employee is let go, the first thing he does
is take a copy with him and upgrade it as soon as possible, costing the
company the price of another copy (an inconvenience that doesn't even happen
now).  And at the most, the SPA comes goose-stepping in and shuts down the
organization for a few days, just like normal.

--Adam--
 
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From: dlc@ais.org (David Claytor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Thick underline in Word5?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:27:57 GMT
Organization: UMCC


The underline in my Word5 looks fine on the screen but prints out thick.  Is
there any way to change the default so the line prints as a hairline?

__Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: DD01007 <DD01007@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: 7 new QuicKeys extensions
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:54:18 GMT

In article <Bs2L2M.K5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson) writes:
>ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher) writes:
>>In a recent issue of TidBITS, mention was made of
>>"seven new logic extensions" for QuicKeys that are
>>part of the latest upgrade. Can anyone provide some
>>details about their functions?
>
>From the QuicKeys v2.1.2 addendum:
>
>  The *CursorWait*, *MenuWait* and *WindowWait* extensions can be used to
>  [...]
>  The *ButtonAction*, *MenuDecision* and *WindowDecision* extensions are
>  [...]
>  When *WhichPrinter* is use, it puts up a splash screen for one and a half
>  [...]
>  The final new extension, *ProcessSwap*, is for System 7 users.  It lets
>
>
>Hope that helps!  (Note: I have no connection with CE Software; I only own
>a copy of QuicKeys.)
>
>Erik A. Johnson        \    Internet: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu     \       |

Funny, I got the CursorWait, MenuWait, WindowWait, MenuDecision,
WindowDecision, WhichPrinter and ProcessSwap extensions by
Simeon Leifer (CIS 71131,3555) from mac.archive.umich.edu
way before Quickeys 2.1.2 was released. They were free too.

I guess CE Software got a hold of the author and are now
charging for the extensions (newer versions, I hope...)

In any case, if you want to try out the (older?) extensions,
the file you want is called qkdecisions.cpt.hqx. (Use Archie
to find the path.)
From: jmale@uranie.inria.fr (Jean-Michel Male)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Zterm use Summary
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:51:25 GMT
Reply-To: jmale@cosinus.inria.fr
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis

--
	First, I'd like to thank the persons who spent time
	for helping, namely Dameon Welch, Michael Monaco,
	Byron C. Scott, Kevin Jiang, Henning Pape-Santos and
	Melissa Reid.

	From their answers, it appears that no special system
	requirements are necessary for using Zterm, as this
	software is not very memory consuming (330 Ko); it seems
	to work on systems 6.0.x or later on Macintosh Plus or
	more powerfull systems.

	The big points are the modems. Zterm seems to work only
	with Hayes modems (What I have understood of the capabilities
	of these modems is that they are able to dial the telephone
	number without hand operating :>} ).

	These modems usually come with a 25 pins connector, and the
	macintosh modem plug is a 8 pins one. With Zterm, it seems
	that it is possible to plug the modem cable in either the
	serial port (25 pins) or the modem one with a correct cable.

	Some of the people that answered my questions pointed out
	that Zterm is confused at high transfert rates.

	I will give some additional explanations now.
	I have had access to a prehistoric modem with which I made
	my trials. That was probably the point. Of course, here, I
	work at the National Research Institute in Informatics and
	Automatics, so we don't have ANY Hayes modem.
	Isn't it funny?

	Ya na what ? I'm happy.
-- 

  
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	INRIA, Projet SINUS,		  <  )
	Centre de Sophia-Antipolis	  \/
	06565 Valbonne (FRANCE)

	Email: jmale@mirsa.inria.fr



(Mort aux vaches !)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: lputnam@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee P Putnam)
Subject: Right Now Promo - what's the deal?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:05:42 GMT


After buying a mac in january, I was notified about some Right Now promo thing
that stated that I would get some free software. There were three options, each
option containing two applications. One option though have extended mac care.
Anyway...after many months they finally sent the two programs to me...Except
I don't think it is what I wanted. This is where I need your help. Can  
someone tell me what the three options were? Maybe I'm the one who made
a mistake - don't think so though. Also, what is the number to which I would
call to complain? Thanks.

 -lee (p).

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi)
Subject: Couldn't find QuickDraw on ftp.apple.com, is that right?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:23:39 GMT

I assumed you can find quickdraw on ftp.apple.com, but here's the
closest I got.  There is no quickdraw.hqx, like a quicktime.hqx that
I could find.

Does this mean that: 

1. I am looking in the wrong place,  
2. I have to buy quickdraw, 
3. I have to get a bunch of these files listed below?

------
mac/sc/snippets/graphics.printing/quickdraw:
total 1800
-rw-r--r--  1 mjohnson archivis    67314 May  9 06:28 calccmask-and-calcmask.hqx
-rw-r--r--  1 mjohnson archivis   171136 Apr  4 05:45 makeicon.hqx
-rw-r--r--  1 mjohnson archivis    58287 Apr  4 05:44 windowcolors.hqx
-rw-r--r--  1 mjohnson archivis    65205 Apr  4 05:42 mydeviceloop.hqx
-rw-r--r--  1 mjohnson archivis    71597 Apr  4 05:42 icondimming.hqx
-rw-r--r--  1 mjohnson archivis    82215 Apr  4 05:42 collectpictcolors.hqx
etc.....

------

Thanks for the help,

Toshi
tt@wag.caltech.edu
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Request:  Mac Genealogy Program
Keywords: Genealogy  help request
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:30:28 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Jul28.015533.21982@u.washington.edu> jaesyn@carson.u.washington.edu (Jason Smith) writes:
>
>	Hi there, I'm looking for a genealogy tracking program for the Mac,

The one to use is the one put out by the Morman Church.  While I haven't
seen it, that's what I hear from everyone I ask who has used it.

>pay for a commercial package?

You'll be pleased with this one...  it's so cheap it's more like shareware
except you pay up front.  $35 for what is said to be the best package.
Latest version is 2.1 and can be obtained from:

Salt Lake Distribution Center
1999 W 1700 S
Salt Lake City, Utah 84104

Product# 30992 for the Mac...  IBM and Kaypro versions available.

you can order by phone for a $2 phone order fee, and use VISA/MC  
and they do figure in tax for your local area.

800-537-5950

Is this advertising?  No, I don't work for them, I'm not Morman,
and I don't even have the program.  (I'm ordering it next, tho...)
Is it a plug?  For that price, you bet.

Rick

>
>Jason Smith
>University of Washington
>Physics/Math


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From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Bigger Text in ClarisWorks
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:47:50 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac,unl.general

In article <1992Jul22.130137.28781@unlinfo.unl.edu>, mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:

> So . . . does anybody know, does Claris actually use a different print
> driver or something like that?  I thought something was fishy when I
> went to print from CW and the print dialog has the "Faster" option
> dimmed - you either print "Best" or "Draft".  
> 
> I guess this isn't a crime or anything, the print looks fine, I'm just
> curious about this . . .

As Chris Davis said, it could be fractional widths.  Check the preferences
dialog and see whether fractional widths are on or off, and try it the
other way.

Also, it seems that you don't have the latest revision of Clarisworks.
The latest is 1.0v3; it appears that you have 1.0v1 or 1.0v2
From: crk5@vms.cis.pitt.edu (Chris Kunselman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Problems w/Sys 7 and Silverlining?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:09:16 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi,

I'm using Silverlining 5.33 with a System 7 Mac IIsi.  It has a Syquest
44MB removable drive attached through SCSI.  The cartridge is definitely
formatted with Silverlining and drivers are loaded.  The internal drive is
not formatted by Silverlining, but it does have the Silverlining drivers
loaded.  I have SCSI probe 3.4 in my control panels which I'm using to
mount cartridges.  

The problem is when I dismount a cartridge when throwing it in the trash,
the Finder appears to reboot.  The whole desktop goes completely blank,
including all my aliases, then all the drives remount themselves.  Somebody
told me before that I should turn FileSharing off before dismounting a
cartridge, but that doesn't stop it.  It still reboots the Finder.

I would appreciate any advice on this.

Thank you,

Chris Kunselman
crk5@vms.cis.pitt.edu
University of Pittsburgh
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Word_5_Sys_Resources_R-installing_Sys_7
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 04:29:18 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:

DG> Speaking of which, it looks like SuperLaserSpool adds an "SLS3" 
DG> resource to the System. I'm going to try removing it and see 
DG> if it kills SLS.

You might also try removing SLS (by whatever means the manual says) and see if
that SLS3 resource goes away.  Such behavior would only be gentlemanly on the
part of SLS (he says, not expecting it to happen).

--Adam--
 
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From: dowling@hubcap.clemson.edu (william a dowling)
Subject: How to lock just one Folder?
Keywords: security, folder
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:37:59 GMT

How can I password protect just just one folder on a Qudra 700?  I am most 
interested in shareware solutions but would be interested in anything.
Thanks. email perfered
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From: bill@appleoz.apple.oz.au (William Logan Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: A/UX Space Requirements
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:38:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Australia Pty Ltd

In article <2A68DBBB.17345@ics.uci.edu> mplumlee@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Michael A. Plumlee) writes:
>I'm interested in getting and installing A/UX on a 3.5" floptical, the
>formatted capacity is just over 120 megs.  How much space does each version
>(both 2.0 and 3.0) need?

A/UX 2.0.1 fits on an Apple 80MB disk with about 5-7 MB free after
installation. You have to install a full distribution and surgically remove
those bits which you don't need.

A/UX 3.0 has an installer which allows you to install parts of the entire
distribution.  From memory, the absolute minimum kernel set is about 30MB.
Networking, programming, X-Windows and other stuff adds greatly to that
if you install it.  Currently my Apple 160MB Disk with a full installation,
trn, cnews and a smallish feed of news has the following results from "df -B":

    Filesystem        kbytes    used   avail %used  Mounted on
    /dev/dsk/c2d0s0   139755  119430   20325   90%  /

My default partition map looks like (with some uninteresting stuff removed):

    DPM Index: 0
    Name: "MacOS", Type: "Apple_HFS"
    Physical: 8192 @ 341576, Logical: 8192 @ 0
    
    DPM Index: 1
    Name: "Apple", Type: "Apple_partition_map"
    Physical: 63 @ 1, Logical: 63 @ 0
    
    DPM Index: 2
    Name: "Macintosh", Type: "Apple_Driver"
    Physical: 32 @ 64, Logical: 32 @ 0
    
    DPM Index: 3
    Name: "UNIX Root&Usr slice 0", Type: "Apple_UNIX_SVR2"
    Physical: 298472 @ 96, Logical: 298472 @ 0
    Slice 0 (clustered)
    Regular UNIX File System (1)
    Cluster:   0    Type: RUFS      Inode: 1
    
    DPM Index: 4
    Name: "Swap", Type: "Apple_UNIX_SVR2"
    Physical: 36864 @ 298568, Logical: 36864 @ 0
    Slice 1
    Swap File System (3) (critical)
    Cluster:   0    Type: SFS       Inode: 1
    
    DPM Index: 5
    Name: "Eschatology 1", Type: "Apple_UNIX_SVR2"
    Physical: 6144 @ 335432, Logical: 6144 @ 0
    No slice specified
    Eschatology File System (2) (critical)
    Cluster:   0    Type: EFS       Inode: 1
    
    DPM Index: 6
    Name: "Extra", Type: "Apple_Free"
    Physical: 2 @ 349768, Logical: 2 @ 0
    
    
The "UNIX Root&Usr slice 0" contains the A/UX distribution, with a note that
the block size is 512 bytes.

Sorry, I don't have a handy list of the exact sizes of the various parts, but
if you are really interested...

Bill Lee
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Apple-menu/Backup SW/Docker pgm
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:55:30 GMT

mnc0678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.N. Cannava ) writes:
>SUMMARY:  Marc's quest for system-assistance programs
>
>1. Programs to clean up the Apple menu
>
>Commercial:	NowMenus, from the Now Utilities package.
>			Favorable responses from all.
>
>		HAM (Heierarchical Apple Menu) from Microseeds
>			Again, favorable responses.
>
>		Apollo (unknown publisher/distributor)
>			Some warnings from hoek@dutiws.tudelft.nl:
>
>			- B/W only
>			- No icons next to menu text
>			- Not too user-friendly when configuring
>			  the menu
>

Apollo is not just non-commercial, it is currently freeware, because it's still
in beta test stage.  I find it quite user-friendly and can't imagine living
without it.  I would suggest that it is a definite "must have", particularly
since it is still in active development and users can still have a significant
influence on its final form.  It is, with CompactPro and StuffitLite, the most
useful shareware/freeware program that I have on my machine.

>
>Shareware:	BeHierarchic, v1.0.5. At sumex-aim.
>			Excellent reviews. Grab it.
>

I seem to remember that there was a lot of Usenet traffic complaining about 
BeHierarchic's incompatibilities with other software.  In particular, it
supposedly interacts badly with AutoDoubler, because (if I remember correctly)
it reconfigures itself every time you restart your machine.  People reported
that sysem startup took minutes longer than otherwise when AD and BeHierarchic
were running at the same time.  Also, except for the "no icons next to menu
text", BeHierarchic's functions seem to be completely a subset of what Apollo
will do for you.  That is, Apollo gives you a highly configurable application
and document launching menu that can include the Apple menu items.

Obviously, this is just my 2p worth, but it doesn't look like your survey got
any significant response from Apollo users.

Tom

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From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Jul19.140907.29328@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1992Jul20.210610.20414@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
	<1992Jul21.175954.3926@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1992Jul22.202524.12274@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:43:34 GMT

.arizona.edu> jahnke@biosci.arizona.edu (Jerome Jahnke) writes:

   caused by fairies and gnomes. Time marches on. The people who create software 
   deserve to be paid. If not they will not create sofware. You feel you do not
   have to pay becuase it is not like you taking it from them. How do you feel


Which brings us to an interesting point:

Why is new software created ? Why is the software industry still one
of the more viable and prosperous industries there is ? Piracy has
been going on in scale for AT LEAST 15 years.

-- 
         Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden

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### You have the 24-bit virus. This virus eats system memory like CRAZY.
From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Zterm help please.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:44:32 -0500

  JM> 	  1) What sort of modem do I need to use Zterm 0.9 ?

You should be able to use any sort of modem you can get your hands on.



  JM>2) Whereshould I plug it (on the Mac) ?

Refer to you mac manual.  On the back, you will find a small, round female plug
with a small telephone icon above it. That's the modem port. the modem will
either come with, or you should obtain a cable with the appropriate connectors
at each end (often known as a "hayes-compatible modem-to-mac cable)




  JM> 3) Are there any special requirements of memory or system versions to use 
    
  JM> Zterm ?
 
None, that I know of. I've used Zterm with 6.0.5, 6.0.7, 6.0.8 and 7.0 and it
works fine for me. I usually run most applications at 150% of the suggested
minumum memory, just on on general principles. can't see why it wouldn't work
just fine on its suggested minumum, however.

Ladd
From: triantos@acsu.buffalo.edu (Nick B Triantos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: SUMMARY: TN3270 emulators
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:48:28 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: The University at Buffalo
Originator: triantos@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu

Last week, I posted asking for any information about TN3270 emulators that can
support the enhanced keyboard, and color specifications from the mainframe.  I
have been overwhelmingly pointed to two products:

First, the commercial TCP/Connect II has come on the highest recommendations,
although it cannot use colors specified by the mainframe (you can select colors
in a preference dialog, though).  It is capable of VT100/320 emulation, NNTP
news reading, TN3270 emulation, SMTP/POP mail reading/sending, etc, etc.  Mfg.
is InterCom (?).  Sorry, no price specified.

The other highly recommended program is the free TN3270 emulator available for
FTP from brownvm.brown.edu.  This emulator is supposed to be the best; enhanced
kbd, graphics from the mainframe, colors from the mainframe, etc., etc.  And,
of course, its best feature is perhaps its price tag.

Thanks again to all the people who responded to me.

-Nick
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                     -Ren Hoek, from Ren & Stimpy's "Space Madness"

  ... Don't knock 6 years of college until you've tried it.
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