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From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Subject: Re: I had a dream...
Organization: very little
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 15:29:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.131149.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> perry@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>	I had a dream once.  I was in Cicely, Al.  I had

In AL?  Or in AK where the show is set?

>driven there in my car ('77 ToyotaLandCruiser), which had
>preceded to have problems.  I had to spend the afternoon in
>the town, where I had found out Ed had died.  Everyone including
>me were very sad.  Also, John Anderson (the original Gomez Adams
>in the t.v. show, Adams Family) was in the dream as Cicely's 

I thought John Anderson was a minor presidential candidate from a
few years back.  Wasn't John Astin the guy who played Gomez?

>


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From: matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:33:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

randy@rls.UUCP (randall l. smith) writes:
>> topics that come up. 

>I for one wish the character Chris would start dating the character
>Maggie O'Connell and something spectacularly fatal (typically) would
>occur for the sin of dating O'Connell.  I cannot stand the character
>Chris.  He is a smarmy know-it-all with more pop psuedo-intellectual
>name dropping than every Woody Alan movie put together.  It wouldn't be

While I agree that Chris is full of alot of hot air, if you notice
most of the reactions from the people of Cicily, they feel the
same way...rolling eyes, questioning looks...they just listen to
what he says cause he is on the radio, and then hear some pretty
cool tunes.  Too bad everyone who doesn't like Chris can't just
do this too   :-)

>Ok, so if we can't snuff Chris, at least Chris, PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP!!

>Thank you for your indulgence.  I needed to get that off my chest.
>Other than Chris, I really love the show.

We usually get a kick at our house when Chris starts rambling...
we just laugh it off, cause at times he kicks out some good
one-liners...and even a good thought occasionally.  Just another
quirky person in the town of Cicily AK.


>Cheers!

>- randy

Hola!

matt

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From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:17:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.125607.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
|> I think Chris is right on the ball.  I think he learns and thinks for the act
|> itself.  He certainly wasn't reading and learning all that stuff in prison
|> to impress his fellow inmates!  (Why was he in prison anyway?)
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Didn't he beat up a sheriff or something like that?  Also, didn't his going
to prison have something to do with his "lost year" (the year spent living
in a cave in New Mexico(?) eating water-cress)

Does anyone remember the whole story that Chris gave regarding his "lost year"?
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From: van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:46:05 GMT

>laugh in a subtle way, unlike most of the shows on network TV now.  It is 
>outrageously hilarious sometimes, but it is so in an original, unpredictable,
>creative way.  Yeah, the characters are likeable too; they are intelligent

The show is one of the few that appeals to the psudo-intellectual croud
of which I am a proud member.  The humor is derived from so many areas
and the scripts are so well written that you can tell what a person knows
and how well read he/she is by watching where they laugh, and where their
eyebrows just come together for a second.

Part of the fun of watching the show is watching a group of people watch it with
you.  

and I am in LOVE with Maggie.


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From: alexho@microsoft.com (Alex Howerton)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 08 Sep 92 20:30:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <lalhckINNklr@aludra.usc.edu> mueller@aludra.usc.edu (Stephen Mueller) writes:
>much of my love for the show is due to Joel and Maggie's sexual
>tension (and it's awaited release) versus all the other
>great characters on the show.
The raison d'etre of the show is the tension between Joel and Maggie,
and Joel's outsider perspective.  If Joel and Maggie get together in
any significant way, or if Joel leaves, the show is over. I've heard
rumors that Rob Morrow id being a snot and asking for $3 million
a year, or he'll quit the show. Anybody have any facts?
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 8 Sep 1992 14:48:53 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <1992Sep8.161522.28623@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:

>Alena,
>Part of the point of the episode, IMHO, was to point out that women
>want it both ways. I agree with what Joel did for Maggie in this 
>episode, but I kind of disagree that if he had had sex with her, while
>she were asleep, it would have been date rape. Rape generally involves
>some sort of refusal, Maggie wanted to have sex with Joel, she had
>said so. I am not saying that if he had had sex with her he would have
>been right, but consent was given.

Where do I begin?

"Women want it both ways"?  *Maggie* clearly did, which as far as
I'm concerned simply makes her an uninteresting character.  You
can't let an essentially cruel person get an emotional hook into
you.

Rape does not necessarily involve some sort of refusal.  If that
were true, drugging a woman into oblivion beforehand could never
be rape.  Rape involves lack of consent at the moment of the act.
Consent was not possible at the moment the act would have taken
place, since Maggie was out cold.

I think it's a shame the writers had to destroy what up to that
point had been a perfectly good character.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
From: cfeem@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Eleanor Midkiff)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Think about it...
Summary: NO!
Keywords: no
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:35:44 GMT
Expires: ?
Followup-To: net
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <7SEP199209332812@bestsd.sdsu.edu> bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena) writes:
>Here is something for you to chew on....
>
>Ed and..........Shelly!
>
>Whatcha think?  I think it could work.

God, I hope not!

Eleanor
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From: ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 07:38:54 GMT
Distribution: usa

I apologize for not quoting the post, but someone mentioned the show
in which Maggi falls for Arthur (the possible bear) as one of their
favorites. Yes! That was wonderful. Definitely one of my favorites, too.
I also love the one in which the town has their first mayoral election.

Bears seem to be a good theme for NE--the Jessie episode, so my boyfriend
informs me, is one of his favorites.

Also, what are the general opinions about the Cicely-Roslyn flashback
show?  Was it too much like Fried Green Tomatoes for anyone's taste?

Elizabeth
From: asfjp@acad3.alaska.edu (Frederick J. Polsky V1.0)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: wow.
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:02:00 GMT
Organization: Maelstrom. Chaos.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

I was born in Cicely.. I remember the first time I took the drive to Sleetmute
and caught the train to Anchorage... wow, that was a time.

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From: owens@athena.mit.edu (Tom Owens)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:21:04 GMT

In article <Bu9n01.H9G@news.udel.edu> jwilson@ravel.udel.edu (James Wilson) writes:
>Another theory is that Maggie has such deep conflicts about her
>relationship with Joel and relationships in general that even though
>such an action is wrong in general, she thinks it could be right for
>her, as external aid in resolving those conflicts.  This is hogwash,
>and she resents and admires Joel for seeing through it.
>

Or that Maggie sees her attraction to Joel as so dangerous that _anything_
Joel does has to be seen negatively.

I agree that the Joel/Maggie relationship is one of the most interesting
in the series.  But it is also risky: keep the pair separate artifically
risks the _Remington Steele_ solution..after a while we don't care.  Bring
them together ala _Moonlighting_ and a lot of unspoken tension becomes
endlessly-discussed tension.
 
My cliche about _Moonlighting_ was that "it wasn't as good as it thought
it was."  That is, that it was smug and superior.  Northern Exposure
risked the same failing initially: remember Joel's discussion with
himself in the theatre?  or the infamous duel sequence?  I'll take the
real human feeling of the "founding of Cicely" episode  over these cheap
tricks, any day.
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From: sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Greatest show on Earth!
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:03:12 GMT
Organization: The College of William and Mary

I've been a fan for just over a year and am glad to have a chance to
hear others' opinions.

In reference to an earlier comment that the 'Joel didn't take Maggie'
episode was callous to the greater issue of Date Rape, I disagree.
Precisely because of the ambiguity and confusion involved, a number of
bases were covered.

I think if you try to take anything in this show too literally or
single-handedly try to determine what 'was meant' you'll get in
trouble.

The writers are too clever, too subtle, and too off-the-wall to do
this. 

The quirky characters are very 'North Western', but their oddity also
is derived from the amalgam of personality attributes that they
collectively and singularly possess.

I just wanted to thank whoever came up with the idea for this
newsgroup and submit my tuppence.

Favorite characters: Ed, Joel, Adam, Chris
Favorite episode: Hard to say, but I loved the one where Ed thought
Ruth-Ann was going to die. I also really loved the
Box-around-the-world episode.
From: brennan@hal.com (Dave Brennan)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Best Episode
Date: 09 Sep 92 03:16:45 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Austin, TX
	<1992Sep8.190311.14585@indetech.com>
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In-reply-to: alix@indetech.com's message of Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:03:11 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 1992, alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North) said:

>>  Originally he'd planned to fling a cow

> I found this episode repulsing.
> ...
> I couldn't help but picture a cow in the same place, and felt deeply 
> sickened. 

Are you by any chance a vegetarian?

I haven't read any mention of the episode when Joel and Maggie get
temporarily stranded in the backcountry when Maggie's plane goes
down.  Joel was classic as usual.  I was laughing out loud the whole
time.  Does someone recall what his response was when Maggie said
the tent would protect them from the bears?

Is it me, or is this newsgroup starting to sound like SNL's Chris Farley
show?  "Do you remember the time Joel did such-and-such?"  "That was
great."  Speaking of SNL I was a little disappointed with Rob Morrow's
appearance.  Maybe it's just hard to top the Dr. Fleishman character.
It's more likely that the SNL writers suck.

> "Babies, babies, babies. Why did God make so many babies?
>  But no, God didn't make them. Stupid people made them."
>       -- Margaret Mitchell, Gone With The Wind

I'm totally repulsed by this quote!

--
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From: vaughn@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Chris Vaughn)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Help: Song question
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:06:59 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Sep14.200110.2321@beaver.cs.washington.edu> bricker@cs.washington.edu (Lauren Bricker) writes:
>
>I really would like to find out the name (and the singer) of the song at the
>end of "The Final Frontier."  This is the episode where Jesse is found dead and
>Holling goes off to find him in Widowmaker cave.  The song in question is
>played at the end of the show when Holling is burying Jesse on a hilltop.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Lauren
>
>-- 
>Lauren Bricker                     |  Patience is a virtue, seersucker is a
>bricker@cs.washington.edu          |  fabric.  -- Bazooka Joe fortune

The song in question is, I believe, "Caribbean Blue" by Enya.  It is on her
latest album, "Shepherd Moons", which is, by the way, incredible (as are her
others, but that's another newsgroup).  God I hope I got this right.  I've 
seen this question enough times over the last 4 or so months.  (In fact, that's
the reason I have all of Enya's CD's now.)

Is this one in the new/under-construction FAQ?  I can't remember, but if not,
it definitely should be.

Hope this helps!
Chris

PS This song is quite likely to be found on the new Northern Exposure
soundtrack, due out tomorrow!  Hooray!  Check it out...
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.124129.11187@NeoSoft.com>, jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J 
Brandt) writes:
> I liked the stepping-out-of-the-plot maneuver.  You couldn't do it more
> than once, but it made me feel like I was reading John Fowles, or
> something.  Sometimes series get stale by resorting to resolutions that
> always involve clever plots.  Just before Joel stepped out of character, I
> was thinking, "oh jeez, they're going to have to do some kind of stupid
> sitcom thing to make this turn out," so it turned out fine for me. 
> Whenever I read a book in which the author stops and talks to me about
> his/her options (the French Lieutenant's Woman is a good example), I feel
> respected.  

  I think that I have never seen a TV show which broke the "third
wall" so well as that episode.

  Without completely leaving character, they were able to step out
of script and, in the pretense of their personas, discuss the
situation in a way that, I guess in a kind of kookie way, empowered
their personas -- allowed us to see their opinions of themselves
in a very "intimate" way.  We were allowed to voyeristically
observe the citizens of Cicely as they examined themselves.

  It was, though, really odd to see them not entirely step out
of persona whilst still discussing various re-writes and green-room
stuff.

  It was precisely the kind of surealism that I watch the show
for, and I think it did more to further Mag's and Joel's relationship
than what happens in most shows.

  Was kinda earie to watch Chris being Chris in "real life".  Although
I usually really like his character, I think I'd probably have to 
punch him if I lived in a small town with him for more than a few months.

  Ooh -- maybe that's another hint ... they stopped being "in character"
for long enough without stepping out of "persona" that it made them seem
like that's the way they _REALLY_ are.  Made it look like a bunch
of type-cast people following a script, but essentially playing themselves.

  Weird.  Made me think.

  Ciaran.

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From: meeks@ponderosa.mpr.ca (Michael Meeks)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: re. Best Episode
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:51:41 GMT
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.

In article <0-&vHx_0i9@atlantis.psu.edu>, cramer@vivaldi.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer) writes:
>
>....The one where Holling and Maurice
>go out to bury their friend was fantastic. I loved the way they mixed the
>story of the show with the story of "The Call of the Wild"...it was great!
>I think that's what makes the show interesting....they can take something
>like "Call of the Wild" and incorperate it so seemlessly....kudos to the
>writers....
>

I too think its great how they portray real life topics and situations,
and add some twist that you would never expect.  Two of my favorites
that follow these lines are when Chris finds the frozen French exploxer
that is returned by sacred natives wearing Madonna T-shirts, and the
running of the bulls (that one had me laughing for 30 minutes) ....

Mike
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From: mxr@neptune.dsc.com (Max "Deathless Obscene Ointment" Rible)
Subject: Re: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Keywords: Joel
Organization: Digital Sound Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:44:58 GMT

I remember one episode in which Marilyn asked whether he wanted his
subscription to the New Yorker renewed, since he might not be there
another full 12 months...  I can't remember anything else about the
episode, though, so perhaps my cable company was receiving messages
through a time warp...
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From: firenza@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Maggie's Many Men
Date: 16 Sep 1992 02:53:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
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In article <Sep15.235309.66291@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mm459504@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Michael Miller) writes:
>
>Now I know Maggies LAST boyfriend was killed when he got plumbed by a 
>satellite. And another one fell into a tuna canning machine (and had to be 
>buried in 107 little cans) but how did the other (three?) die?
>
>Mike

One fell asleep on a glacier and froze to death.  They were all rather bizarre,
but I guess that's the whole point.  

firenza@wpi.wpi.edu
From: hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:00:11 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669

van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn) writes:

> >Excuse me if my query is not on quite as high an echelon as the
> >previous intellectual discussions. It just makes me wonder how
> >much of my love for the show is due to Joel and Maggie's sexual
> >tension (and it's awaited release) versus all the other
> >
> >too much sometimes, Marilyn is a trip, and personally I hope they 
> 
> I like the way Marilyn is always right, and the way she is a quieting
> influence in the program.  I wish I could be more like her.  The
> Indian gestault VS. the intellectual snobbery is one of the best
> subtexts in the program.
> 
> And, Steven, I think you are exactly right.  I watch the show as much
> to see if Maggie and Joell are going to "do it" as much as for any other
> reason.  It is the most complex show on the air and I love it.
> 
> Van!!
> 


According to Rob Morrow (I've heard it from two sources, E! and some trade 
paper, maybe Variety), the character Maggie and Joel WILL consumate their 
relationship this season.  I guess that's expected because they do have a 
two year contract.

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From: stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)
Subject: Where are the children??
Organization: ingr
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:40:14 GMT

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the complete absence of children
on this show?  Oh, there has been the occasional episode like the one
about the baby being left in Joel's office.  I know this show is meant for
adults, but a lot of us adults have to constantly deal with children.

Why can't NE include some regular child characters?  Is the almost
purposeful exclusion of kids the writers' way of allowing the adults to
act more "childlike"?  Are they absent so that those of us who are parents 
can completely forget about our own kids for awhile (maybe not a bad idea!)?
Or is it because the NE writers have no experience with children?

I believe the show could prosper with the inclusion of some children.  Maybe
Adam and Eve will provide this to some extent (what a parental couple!!!).
What do you think?

Todd Stevens
stevenst@iaserv.b1.ingr.com

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From: bestr1070@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Alena)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Summary:  Maggie's attitude
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:13:00 GMT

In article <fcqn3q+.gordons@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga writes...
><lalhckINNklr@aludra.usc.edu> mueller@aludra.usc.edu (Stephen Mueller) writes:
>>I was wondering what everyone thought about the episode(s) in which
>>Joel and Maggie share the hotel room, Maggie gets drunk and passes
>>out before they finally sleep together, and then lie...

Stuff deleted...

>Personally I felt that the episode was an interesting statement on the
>male understanding (or lack thereof) of the female.  If we get agressive
>(Maggie wanted Joel to "have her" while she was asleep) then we are
>uncontrolled animals who only think with our genitals.  If we are passive
>we get accused of being gay, uninterested, or boring.  In this case
>Joel respected Maggie and she threw a fit over it.  Don't get me wrong, I
>enjoyed the humor of the episode.  I just think it was at the expense of a
>serious women's issue - date rape.
> 
> 
>Gordon


Dear Gordon,
I have to totally agree that Maggie's rage at Joel not "taking" her (which 
translates to rape) was totally inappropiate for mass viewing.  If he had
had his way with her while she was out cold, I would never have watched the
show again on moral grounds (despite how much I would have missed my weekly HIV
injection of NE.), but I do feel that there is an asspect that is being missed 
here.  Maggie is a nut.  Joel is a nut.  The whole town is nuts.  For Maggie
to have reacted any other way would have been too........normal.  I just 
hope that the NE audience is wise enought to tell the that is not the way
intelegent women think or want done to them.  

Sitting here, waiting for new episodes,
Alena

PS- Offering to the saint who created this newsgroup.  Watch for me, I will be
posting offten!  Good titings to all of you!
___________________________________
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 they want it all the time.....   l
 they want it anywhere.....       l
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