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From: jfk@siesoft.co.uk (Jack Knight)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:49:38 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes:
: HELP! HELP!
: 
: I think there is a big problem with elm 2.4 (not necessarily just pl6).
: 
: Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
: are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
: mail from getting through and causes bounces.
: 
: Has anybody else seen this. How can this be fixed el pronto!
: 
: 
: It is not an everytime occurance - it is only sparatic and I have yet
: been able to determine when it happens.
: 
: This is causing a major problem here....
: -- 

I have noticed this happening in ELM2.3PL11 also, but ONLY on 386
architecture machines. As you say, it only occurs sporadically,
but I have (of some 20) mail servers 2 which do this on a fairly
frequent basis. One is running SVR4, the other SCO Unix. I have not
been able to far to track it down.

Summarising:-

1. The mailbox group id is changed from 'mail' (or whatever the mail group
   is) to the user's GID.

2. It does not happen on any regular basis that I can determine.

3. ELM in both cases here is running as a setgid (mail) program.

4. Only certain users seem to be affected. Perhaps there is some
   function within elm that the others do not make use of.

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From: apardon@rc1.vub.ac.be (Antoon Pardon)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:36:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium

In article <Bx9BHq.E1x@mach1.wlu.ca>, derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin) writes:
|> HELP! HELP!
|> 
|> I think there is a big problem with elm 2.4 (not necessarily just pl6).
|> 
|> Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
|> are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
|> mail from getting through and causes bounces.
|> 
|> Has anybody else seen this. How can this be fixed el pronto!

We have had similar problems here. The problem however was not elm
but a buggy NFS. The problems was that when a file was opened with
the CREAT flag over NFS and you where the owner of the file the group of
the file was changed to the gid of the process even if the file already 
existed. As a workaround (This works only on bsd systems I think) we
set the setgid bit on the spooldirectory to indicate that created files
should get the gid of the spool instead that of the process. It works
for the moment.

========================================================================
Antoon Pardon                                        <apardon@vub.ac.be>
Brussels Free University Computing Centre                   02/650.37.16
========================================================================
From: imtst@teaser.lis.pitt.edu (I-Ming Tsai)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: I need an FAQ of elm, please.
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:13:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.9491
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi:
	Is there an FAQ in this group ?
	Please mail me if you have one.
	Thank you in advance !
-- Ming
From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Emergency.mbox problem
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:51:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Having had a disastrous weekend on our system with disks filling up like
fun, we noticed that ELM 2.3pl11 will try to save things in emergency.mbox;
but if this file exists already it _overwrites_ rather than appends. Lots
of our users tried using ELM several times, and lost a lot of mail...

Not wanting to recreate the horrors that cause this it's easier to ask: is
this behaviour fixed in 2.4?

Thanks,

Alan
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:31:07 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Daryl Erwin (derwin@mach2.wlu.ca) wrote:
: 
: Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
: are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
: 
: It is not an everytime occurance - it is only sparatic and I have yet
: been able to determine when it happens.

I may have just reproduced this problem.  I was reading some mail and 
accidentally hit 'e' and went into edit on the incoming mail.  I did
a ':q!' to get out of that and got a message about a problem resetting
permissions.  When I checked the group id for my mail spool had changed to
'system'.  This breaks the mail daemon when it trys to write new mail.
--

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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
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From: tomb@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Tom Baas)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: "leavembox.c", line 766: SIG_BLOCK undefined
Date: 8 Nov 1992 17:02:28 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

Hi, all,
I am trying to compile elm2.4 on an ISC SVr3.2 and I get the following:

"leavembox.c", line 766: SIG_BLOCK undefined

Can anyone tell me what I have to do the fix this problem?

Also, what are and where can I get the bug fixes for this
latest and greatest elm release?

Also, what are the improvements over el2.3?

Thanks anyone, in advance.  :)
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:54:52 GMT

In article <k2.721142571@woodstock> k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger) writes:
>apardon@rc1.vub.ac.be (Antoon Pardon) writes:
>
>>|> are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
>>|> mail from getting through and causes bounces.
>>|> 
>>|> Has anybody else seen this. How can this be fixed el pronto!
>
>>We have had similar problems here. The problem however was not elm
>>but a buggy NFS. The problems was that when a file was opened with
>>the CREAT flag over NFS and you where the owner of the file the group of
>>the file was changed to the gid of the process even if the file already 
>>existed. As a workaround (This works only on bsd systems I think) we
>>set the setgid bit on the spooldirectory to indicate that created files
>>should get the gid of the spool instead that of the process. It works
>>for the moment.
>
>Thanks for that tip, I did have sometimes similar problems, and could
>not track it down, but this I think would help. (At least on my
>EP/IX box, setgid works).
>
>Sincerely,
>Klaus

In simple language :-) how is this done?
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: marvo@asl.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Vogt)
Subject: Re: Filter: forwardc saving in other than system mbox?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:45:10 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, ASL.

In article <BxEvLB.FG4@ddsw1.mcs.com>, dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
|> johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (John Yeates) wrote in
|> <17315.9211061635@tsunb.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk>:
|> 

[..deleted..]

|> | Is there a way of specifying a mailbox for forwardc to save in, or (better
|> | yet) are there plans to implement a "bounce" action, working like the
|> | bounce command in elm does? [Sanity permitting, I may have a go at this
|> | myself, if I get the time]
|> 
|> You can tell filter to execute a script or a program that will send the
|> letter off to your friend(s) but also store a copy in your selected folder;
|> if locking is not important, you can just append it to the folder; otherwise
|> it can massage the headers so that filter can tell it apart from the original
|> and then mail it to everyone involved, including you, or mail it to everyone
|> else and also refeed it to filter.
|> 
|> Now that -f is standard in filter, you can also execute a script or a program
|> that uses its stdin twice like this: rmail (or otherwise bounce) it to
|> everyone else and feed it to filter -f some_other_rule_file.  That way you
|> can avoid a loop without needing to alter headers.
|> 
|> It's much easier to accomplish with procmail or deliver.  Both allow multiple
|> actions on a single letter.
|> 
|> David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
|> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818

I had a filter-rules file containing only the following line:
if (subject = "linecheck") then forwardc "%r"

In my .forward file I had the following line:
| /vol/local/bin/filter

Since then all(!) my mails were put into the system's spool dir,
and not into my own maildir.
Does anybody know, how to build a script for the filter that 
stores the mail in my own maildir instead of the system's maildir?

Thanks in advance for any further information,
Markus.
From: ram@eiffel.com (Raphael Manfredi)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm wish list
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:40:21 GMT
Organization: Interactive Software Engineering, Santa Barbara CA

Quoting cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage) from comp.mail.elm:
>I do not agree with the complaint about the header editor; I think it is
>a useful and well done feature.  My complaint is that I would like to see
>the elmheaders file read in when you "finish" a letter and go to the send
>prompt.  Then, they would be filled into the header editor fields where
>they could be overridden, altered, SEEN, etc.  I recall that this has come
>up before, and it was reported that doing this would weaken some other
>feature, but I think it would definitely be a useful one.

Why not go a step further and allow (say in "expert" mode only) the user
to really edit the headers of the message (by stuffing them into a
temporary file and launching an editor like vi)?

Of course, if the user continues and types the beginning of a message after
an End-of-header line, a warning should be issued and the text discarded.

At that point, there would be no reason to not provide 'post-filters', i.e.
the message (or header/body) would be piped to an external program before
actual delivery to the transport layer. The equivalent of the filter program,
but for sent messages. (With MH, this is quite easy to achieve, since you
may specify your own posting program, which will ultimately call MH's post,
of course).

Another thing which would be Real Nice(tm) would be to make ELM understand
pseudo-headers like MH's Fcc: to force a Folder Carbon Copy -- In that case
however, ELM should generate the Message-Id line itself or there would be
a discrepency between the sent message and the one stored.

Those are the three main reasons why I use MH to actually handle my mail, but
use ELM to review old folders, since a screen interface is much better than
the "scan; show; next" MH process...
-- 
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Interactive Software Engineering Inc.
270 Storke Road, Suite #7                      / Tel +1 (805) 685-1006 \
Goleta, California 93117, USA                  \ Fax +1 (805) 685-6869 /
From: lbroda@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Larry Broda)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Newmbox-length of mbox != spool mailbox length!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:41:11 GMT
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

jpm@Logix.DE (Jan-Piet Mens) writes:

>Note  Followup-To!

>In <1992Nov12.072357.24534@news.ysu.edu> ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben) writes:

>>when I type mail I get a message that says
>>newmbox -length of mbox.! = spool mailbox length!!
>>exciting leaving mailbox in tact

>I'm looking for the problem myself. As a temporary solution, specify
>the full pathname of your mailbox

>        $ elm -f /usr/spool/mail/username

>and if that doesn't work

>        $ elm -f /usr/../usr/spool/mail/username
>		     ^^^^^^^^
>This seems to be the only way to fool ELM... :-).

>[ BTW, I have only noticed this problem since installing 2.4PL8 last night]

>	-JP
>-- 

The same thing happened here when I upgraded to 2.4PL8.  I ended up
restoring the previous version from backups (next time I'll make sure
I have a backup on line).
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.3 Configure question
Keywords: spool
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:35:17 GMT

wsadkin@bbn.com (Will Sadkin) writes:
>Our site is uses MMDF as its mail transport agent.  It deposits
>mail into the user's ~/mailbox directory.

>One of the questions Configure asks is:
> Where is yet-to-be-read mail spooled? [/usr/spool/mail/]

>When I specify ~/mailbox, and re-run Configure, I get:
> Where is yet-to-be-read mail spooled? [/d4m/wsadkin/mailbox]

>(ie. it's expanding the ~ for me personally, and not using the generic
>"home directory".)

>I can't change the fact that all mail is not deposited in one central
>directory. 

>What do I do?
2.3 and 2.4 are not directly configurable as to the spool file being
in the users home directory.  However, both do honor the MAIL environment
variable.  I'd configure it with /usr/spool/mail or /usr/mail or whatever
and the set the MAIL= environment variable in some global shell startup file.
-- 
========================================================================
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Oddity invoking editor for Reply
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:35:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

There's an intermittent oddity in ELM 2.4PL8 (and previous) when an editor
starts up for a reply. We have the editor set up for MicroEMACS, and
most times (but _not_ always) a stray RETURN character seems to get
injected before the user gets a chance to type anything, so that the screen
draws to show the message, then scrolls down one line.

It only happens when invoking the editor from ELM, and is _never_ seen with
ELM 2.3

System is a Sequent Symmetry, running PTX 1.3 (SysV.3)
From: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: How to reply to encryped mesg?
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:43:42 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.22.8
Summary: elm
Keywords: elm

I mean when I reply with the mesg included I get the encryped text; how can
I include the unencoded text then?

Please reply via e-mail.

Thanks,

Jie
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: ELM problem after applying PL4-8 to 2.4: Can't get into mailbox!!!
Keywords: PL8 error 
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:15:48 GMT

lbroda@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Larry Broda) writes:
>After applying patch levels 4 through 8 to ELM 2.4 today on our Sun
>4.470, SunOS 4.1.2, some users began getting this error on trying to
>enter their primary Elm mailbox:


>Reading in /var/spool/mail/<username-deleted>, message: 328
>newmbox - length of mbox. != spool mailbox length!!

>Write to temp file failed, exiting leaving mailbox intact!

>This does not happen with other folders, and not to everybody.

I have received a patch to correct this, its due to the code I added in
7/8 to handle incorrect Content-Length headers.  I only tested it on
'folders' and not the spool file, so I missed the case of backing up
the temp copy for the mail spool.  It will only occur on mail spools
that have an incorrect content length header in them.  Patch 9 will fix
this, and I am sure introduce a new set of bugs.
-- 
========================================================================
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin)
Subject: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:01:02 GMT

HELP! HELP!

I think there is a big problem with elm 2.4 (not necessarily just pl6).

Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
mail from getting through and causes bounces.

Has anybody else seen this. How can this be fixed el pronto!


It is not an everytime occurance - it is only sparatic and I have yet
been able to determine when it happens.

This is causing a major problem here....
-- 
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Computing Services                              Surface Mail: P4-1, Main Campus 
Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Ontario 
Bus:(519) 884-1970 x2910                                          ... Go Hawks!
From: spiegl@cs.utexas.edu (Andreas Spiegl)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Question on dotlock file ?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 14:17:17 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: grit.cs.utexas.edu

In article <sarma.721087575@celery18> sarma@rtsg.mot.com (Raja Sarma) writes:
>Hi,
>  Could someone tell me :
>	1) What is the role played by the lock file 
>	   created when starting elm in "/usr/spool/mail" directory.?
>
>	2) Why create it only in mail spool directory.?
>
>	3) Would there be any problem if it gets created under home or 
>	   any user specified directory ?.   

I have a question about the dot locking, too:

I noticed that elm creates a dotlock file ONLY, if it is started like this:
elm
elm -f /u/spiegl/mailbox
elm -f ~/mailbox

but NOT, if called like this:  (provided I am in the correct dir, of course)
elm -f mailbox
elm -f spiegl/mailbox
elm -f u/spiegl/mailbox
etc.

It also does not create a lock file when used with any other mailbox file
which is not my incoming mailbox (/u/spiegl/mailbox), e.g. some mailbox
in my Mail directory.

Anyone have a clue why that is?

Thanks,
 Andy.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: "MIME-Version: 1.0" in the headers
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:05:27 GMT

olivier@lise.paris.sgi.com (Olivier David) writes:


>Hi there,

>I just upgraded to ELM 2.4 and have a little question :

>Why is there a new header included in all my outgoing mail about the
>Mime-version and how can i get rid of it ? (It is perturbating people that
>receive my mails on different mailers that try to interpret this header)

This header is for the new MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extension)
standard. You could look up details about MIME in RFC1341 .

If you want to get rid of the MIME headers, reconfigure elm and say
no to the metamail question. But are you sure you want too loose
Multimedia capabilities? SGI's are really nice for this stuff!

Sincerely,
Klaus
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From: choi@leland.Stanford.EDU (keeyoung choi)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Help needed : How to exclude long list of addresses
Keywords: alias
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:35:27 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

Hi

 I have an alias of list of eight addresses. When someone get my mail, the list
of addresses in the header is quite annoying. Is there anybody who knows
how to exclude this list of addresses in the header. I use elm 2.3 on a Sparc
machine. Thanks in advance.


- keeyoung
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: lenz@ssd.comm.mot.com (Doug Lenz)
Subject: Anyone ever use FORMS ?
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:48:13 GMT

I asked this question earlier this week but didn't
get any response so I'll ask it again:


    HAS ANYONE EVER USED FORMS IN ELM ??!??!??

I'm running Elm 2.4 PL6 on a Sparc and I can't
for the life of me get forms to work.


HELP  HELP  HELP

Thanks,

Doug


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ameyer@cbnews.cb.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Re: .mailrc aliases converter to elm readable aliases needed.
Reply-To: ahm@hoqas2.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:42:13 GMT

In comp.mail.elm, maxc1189@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Ivan Z. Padilla) writes:
> Is there such a thing?? A program that converts the aliases in my
> .mailrc file to elm readable aliases?  

The one we have seems to have come with our v2.3 distribution.
Look in the utils subdirectory for mailrc.awk:

# @(#)$Id: mailrc.awk,v 4.1 90/04/28 22:44:44 syd Exp $

Andy
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: janw@fwi.uva.nl (Jan Wortelboer)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 PL6: "Saving" from Options menu screws up weedout list
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:45:37 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>We've noticed now that *every* time you hit `>' from the Options menu
>to save your options in elmrc, Elm prepends the user's personal
>weedout list with a copy of all the options in the global elm.rc.  If
>you do this three or four times, your weedout list becomes too long to
>enter Elm, and you have to edit elmrc manually.  No other elmrc option
>appears to be adversely affected by `>'.

>Our environment is a DECstation 5000/240 with Ultrix 4.2a and Elm 2.4
>PL6.

This is correct, (eh a bug). It duplicates the entry's from the global
elm.rc. I have a simple patch to correct this.
It will however still copy the global weedout headers to your local
elmrc if they where not already in it.

Jan.

Elm Version and Identification Information:

        Elm 2.4 PL6, of October 1, 1992


*** src/read_rc.c.dist	Wed Oct 28 10:59:51 1992
--- src/read_rc.c	Fri Nov  6 14:20:08 1992
***************
*** 691,698 ****
--- 691,700 ----
  	    for (i=0, len = strlen(header); i< len; i++)
  	      if (header[i] == '_') header[i] = ' ';
  
+             if(!matches_weedlist(header)) {
  	    strcpy(weedlist[weedcount], header);
  	    weedcount++;
+ 	    }
  /* since this used both for system defaults and user's */
  	    if (equal(header, "*end-of-defaults*")) break;
  	  }




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