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From: sharon@wam.umd.edu (sharon)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:20:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.232115.19489@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kihlstro@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Merlin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.162133@IASTATE.EDU> picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy) writes:
>>
>>You may be right about the long-range plans, though I am pretty sure it's always
>>been Lucas' plan to make 9, but you're a bit off about Episode IV.  In the
>>scrolling text at the beginning of the movie, it says "Episode IV:  A New
>>Hope."
>>So, it's always been #4, and I think it also shows that George has always
>>planned to make 1-3.
>>
>
>According to an interview .... a while back ... forgive the lack of
>details ... my memory is a little shot ... recovering from mono ...
>
>	the reason Lucus did ep. 4-6 was that they had most of the action.
>	Ep 1-3 and 7-9 are more of a story telling ... not much action to
>	speak of ... at least compared to 4-6 ...
>
>

	Right before The Empire Strikes Back was released there was an
interview with Goerge Lucas that was printed in the magazine insert
of the Washington Post or the baltimore Sun. It it Lucas said that he
had a loose story line for three trilogies. After looking at the rough
outlines he felt that audience members would be most comfortable with
the characters in the second trilogy - more classic romance and rebellion.
He wrote and produced Star Wars on the hope that it would be successful. If
it was he planned on producing the 2nd & 3rd of the 2nd triology then going 
and doing the first trilogy which was about the prior generation (i.e. the
exact circumstances of Anikin Skywalkers fall to the dark side) Then he 
would do the third trilogy based on the generation of characters after the
movies already released (i.e. Han & Leia's kids and Luke's kids - although
at that point we didn't know the pairings of the couple) In the back of 
Lucas' mind was the desire to someday do the entire series, but he really 
didn't think it would happen, - hence no episode title on Star Wars' original 
release. He was a surprised as anybody with Star Wars' popularity. Anybody
have anything to add ?
l.
From: JJF112@psuvm.psu.edu (John Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Cut-scene 2
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:08:27 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


    With all this talk about the cut scene with Luke, I figured I would add
 another cut scene. I remember seeing a special on Star Wars or the series as
 a whole, and in it, they spoke about Jabba. Apparently, in Star Wars, there
 was a scene where Luke and Han (and others?) met Jabba at some port. I
 remember they showed a crude scene of this, and you saw Jabba. Interestingly
enough, Jabba was not that big brown thing, but in fact was a very fat
human-looking creature. Does anyone else remember this?




                                                 John
From: kihlstro@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Merlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:21:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr15.232115.19489
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr15.162133@IASTATE.EDU> picard@IASTATE.EDU (David B Roy) writes:
>
>You may be right about the long-range plans, though I am pretty sure it's always
>been Lucas' plan to make 9, but you're a bit off about Episode IV.  In the
>scrolling text at the beginning of the movie, it says "Episode IV:  A New
>Hope."
>So, it's always been #4, and I think it also shows that George has always
>planned to make 1-3.
>

According to an interview .... a while back ... forgive the lack of
details ... my memory is a little shot ... recovering from mono ...

	the reason Lucus did ep. 4-6 was that they had most of the action.
	Ep 1-3 and 7-9 are more of a story telling ... not much action to
	speak of ... at least compared to 4-6 ...


cory c. kihlstrom
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From: ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (alice in wonderland)
Subject: Bloopers (was Re: "Leia", or "Carrie"?)
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:21:34 GMT

In the original SW, when Han, Luke, Ben, Chewy and the droids are on the Death
Star, when only the droids are left in that one control room place - remember
when the stormtroopers come in looking for the group?  Well, one of them hits
his head on the top of the door - the poor guy looks like he gets whiplash when
you see it on the big-screen, and it's still clearly visable on the small
screen.  When I went to see it at a Film-Fest, I yelled this out in the theatre
right before it happenned ("Watch the stormtrooper hit his head") and everybody
cracked up for about a minute.  It was funny as hell.  (ok, not THAT funny, but
somewhat amusig in the least)

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From: kaydin@jarthur.claremont.edu (puck)
Subject: Re: I'll get you, Luke Skywalker, and your little droid too!
Organization: Forest of Satyrs, City of Vampires, the wilds.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:29:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.230200.22731@athena.mit.edu> masanag@athena.mit.edu (Masahiko Nagamiya) writes:


>I heard George Lucas came up with the idea based on one of the Kurosawa
>movies... Anyone know anything about this?


   Someone else mentioned THE HIDDEN FORTRESS---the story of a feudal
Japanese Princess on a quest to reclaim her rightful throne from the
``evil empire.''  The cover of the current video release of the movie
ideed claims it is ``George Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars...''

   Aside from the similarities of plot, which don't exactly match, two
characters in the movie definitely match perfectly...


   The movie opens in the middle of the battle.  We watch the battle
for a few minutes, then notice two slaves caught in the midst of the
battle, trying to shrink away from the fighting.  They escape, and
find themselves along a deserted sandy beach in the middle of nowhere,
at which point one says to the other (paraphrasing):

   ``You idiot!  This is your fault!  I'm not going with you.  I'm going
this way!  And don't let me catch you trying to follow me...''

   They split up, and both are captured by the same gang of slavers, 
where they reunite happily.  Later, they run away, arguing about
the next course of action, beating up on each other, and eventually
(more or less accidentally) find a stash of gold hidden in firewood
which turns out to be to money the Princess (whose forces lost the
initial battle) hid from the `evil empire'' and will use to finance
the rebel fight.  They become the unwitting comic bearers of the gold,
(sound familiar?) the key to the Princess's fight.

   Two fine comic roles under Kurosawa.  When they hit each other, you
can almost hear the lines echoing:
   ``Why I stick my neck out for you, I have no idea.
                        (You mishappened bag of bolts).....''

 -kerim

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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 00:22:51 EDT
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Subject: Re: Comix
Distribution: na
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I have every Star Wars comic that marvel put out, and for the most part it's a
pretty good collection. The last 20-30 issues were crap, though, largely be-
cause Jedi pretty much ended the story for them and they didn't know what
direction to take things. What happened was some evil aliens from another
galaxy (the borg maybe? :-)  ) came into the neighborhood. It wasn't done well
at all and I think Marvel just gave up on it. Besides that the got the absolute
worst artist I've ever seen to do the art. I still remember the name from this
day, I hated it so much: Cynthia Martin was the penciler, and she made it look
like the sunday comics...Calvin & Hobbes style, NOT Prince Valiant.
Anyway, the issues between Empire and Jedi I think are the best. Some good
stuff in there. The first 15 issues of the series were a bit like the last ones
where they were unsure what direction to take.

--Brian
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: *TRIVIA*
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:26:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr16.075158.8933@leland.Stanford.EDU> teebone@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rand Quinn) writes:

>     *TRIVIA*
>     What cell block did Han and Luke say Chewie was being transferred
>     from in Star Wars?  

'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.'


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From: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon and Kessel run
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:33:15 GMT
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
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In-reply-to: jset_cif@troi.cc.rochester.edu's message of 17 Apr 92 18:07:41 GMT
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>>>>> On 17 Apr 92 18:07:41 GMT, jset_cif@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Jeff Setzer) said:

>Although the explaination of an obstacle course is amusing, the context
>indicates that Han was trying to say how fast his ship was.  I don't have
>my book handy (perhaps I should carry it at all times :-), I'm sure that
>it says "It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than n standard
>time parts" or something.  Anyway, the book uses time, not distance.

jset_cif> I always wondered about that...the quote is "made the Kessel run
jset_cif> in less than 12 parsecs."  When I was a kid, I thought that was
jset_cif> like some sort of fake time-unit (like the "centons" in
jset_cif> Battlestar Galactica), but a few years later, when I got into
jset_cif> astronomy, I found out that a parsec is a real-life *distance*
jset_cif> measurement (comes from "parallax-second").

jset_cif> Mr. Lucas?  Mr. Kershner?  Are you listening? :-)

From the notes on the original screenplay, Solo is boasting because he
thinks he's dealing with a couple of hicks. Kenobi gives Solo a withering
look, then decides to ignore the comment. The scene, as filmed, was
rewritten, obviously.

The novel reads, ``...made the Kessel run in less than 12 standard
timeparts.''

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From: kikila@heartland.Eng.Sun.COM (Chris Cenizal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: War of the Robots
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:35:53 GMT
Reply-To: kikila@heartland.Eng.Sun.COM
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I saw this movie awhile back on channel 44 and
it was a bad dup of Star Wars or could it be
that Star Wars was an upgraded version of
War of the Robots (it seem to be an old movie)?  
The characters parallel those in Star Wars.  
Instead of Jedi Knights being the only ones 
carrying Light Sabers,  it was the issued weapon 
for the storm troopers.  The only real robots in 
war were....That's right,  R2D2 and C3PO.  I can't 
remember if this was their name in this movie but 
the sure looked like them.  I only caught the last 
20 mins of the film.  I came in where Darth Vader's 
equal was losing a battle against an OB1 Kenobe equal.  
It looked like the "Force" was also in this movie.

Has anyone seen this movie,  War of the Robots?  It
was filmed with props that looked like it was filmed
on a fake moon (the effects of this film was really
bad).  
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From: wollum@hdpe.ecn.purdue.edu (pack backer)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:57:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.205718.18842@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> gat@forsight.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat) writes:
>Star Wars now open tantalizingly with the title "Episode IV: A New Age"

A new hope.

>or whatever it is.  But way back in 1977 when Star Wars first came out it
>was just Star Wars.  No episode number, no talk of a Grand Plan.  It was

Star Wars was rereleased as episode IV.


Mark
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From: toddw+@CS.CMU.EDU (Todd Williamson)
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:37:33 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University


cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.055433.25085@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> BACS Data Communications Group <commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>Michael Y Fan writes:
>>
>>>>OBTrivia:  How many parsecs did the Falcon make the Kessel run in?
>>
>>>The Falcon made the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs.
>>>
>>>                                           Mike Fan
>>
>>That's a technical flaw!  A parsec is a (very large) unit of 
>>distance, not time. It's 3.08572 x 10^13 kilometers (aprox. 4 
>>light years).  Saying that the Falcon made the Kessel run in 
>>under 12 parsecs is like saying you ran the 50-yard dash in less 
>>than 40 feet.  On the other hand, who knows what weird geometry 
>>warp/hyper/sub space might have!
>>

>Not necessarily.  You don't know what the context of the question was.  "The
>Kessel Run" is most likely a shipping route, one which may be relatively
>clouded with debris.  Thus, the quality of the pilot may be rated by how
>short a distance he makes it in (the shorter the distance, the more direct
>the route, the more dangerous it is through the debris/obstacles).

Actually, anybody who has had a course in Special Relativity knows that time is another dimension much like space.  The conversion factor that makes distance units into equivalent time units is the speed of light.  

Since a parsec is roughly 4 light-years, and the Falcon did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs, we can conclude that he made the Kessel run in something under 48 years.

;-) for the humor-impaired...

Todd Williamson
Carnegie Mellon Robotics Institute
From: kho@athena.mit.edu (Karen W Ho)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What happened to Han and Leia? (was Re: Harrison Ford)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:37:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr16.183758.951
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I personally think they eventually settled down, married, got on each other's
nerves, and split up. The title of the episode would have been, (to borrow a line
from Mad magazine, circa 1981) "May the divorce be with you".

--Karen
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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: STAR WARS = THE NEW GODS
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 23:46:00 GMT

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I'd be interested in hearing readers opinions of Jack Kirby's "New Gods" series
published by DC in the early-70s ... especially the obvious similarities to
Star Wars ... black-cowled evil overlord Darkseid becomes Darth Vader, and his
son Orion, Luke Skywalker, his good enemy; the mystical pantheist Source
becomes the Force; Obi-Wan is plainly the alb-wearing, staff-carrying
Highfather; the bestial Dragon Tanks are obviously resurrected as the Ton-Tons,
etc, etc.  What's the deal here?  Care to enlighten a neophyte on the obvious
similarities and how they arose?

Brad

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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS? (1st post?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:19:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92106.181934EAO102
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Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <si7mbINNn75@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@alex.uucp (Steve Lamont) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr15.135624.24868@doug.cae.wisc.edu> geiger@cae.wisc.edu
>(Joey
>Geiger) writes:
>>He will also not do any more Indiana Jones films (obviously...)
>
>Okay, so I'm out of touch with contemporary culture, I admit it.  Why
>won't Lucas make any more Indiana Jones films?  Did Harrison Ford die
>or something?

George has claimed that he will not make any more Indiana Jones movies
because he says he is burnt out on ways to get Indy in and out of trouble.
thats his claim, but we've also heard him say no SW movies, too.  Remember
when Mr. Lucas claimed to be making a horror film (he denied he was making
TESB at the time) starring all the members of the cast of the original SW?
I'll bet we'll see another IJ movie in time.....in time....

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From: ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (alice in wonderland)
Subject: Possible/Maybe Cut-Scene
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:43:49 GMT

Ok, this has been bothering me for awhile (13 years).  In 1979, when I was 6
years old, I went to see Star Wars at a friend's house - he was one of the
lucky few to have a VCR in those days.  I seem to remember a scene involving
some sort of chemistry-lab place on the Death Star.  In the scene were some
sort of doctor character, and one of those Death Star worker guys with the big
black helmets (the kind that look somewhat aerodynamic).  The doctor was
putting something into a needle, and I think this later became that
floating-orb thing that goes up to Leia when she's in the cell-block, when
Vader wants to learn the location of the Rebel base.

This scene really doesn't affect the movie in any way, but I haven't seen it
since (it's not on small-screen or large -screen versions), and I'm just
wondering if there really was this scene or if my memory is just messing with
me.  I mean, I was only 6 years old, so it's entirely possible that I'm wrong
here. But I've also thought a lot about the fact that this was 1979, my friend
was the first person I knew who had a VCR, and it's possible that back then a
different version of the movie was released on home video.  

Any info is much appreciated!

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From: timothyb@crash.cts.com (Timothy Burleson)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:10:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.183517.3247@muddcs.claremont.edu> ksun@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kang Sun) writes:
>
>I think that is true.  Star Wars started with Episode IV rather than I.
>
>I believe Lucas is making the first saga right now but don't quote me on it.
>It's just a rumor.  The info I had said Lucas is making another Star Wars
>saga because the computer technology enables him to create some awsome
>special effects.  If that's true.  I can't wait to see them.

Yes, it is true.  Don't expect George to direct, though.  He has often
said he does not like directing.  He enjoys being a creative force
behind the scenes and producing much more.  I can't wait to see the
prequals to "A New Hope" as soon as possible!

--Tim

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From: omitchel@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ocie *banjo* Mitchell)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:11:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.195407.8310@natinst.com> keithp@natinst.com (Keith Peterson) writes:
>I heard the same thing several years ago. The first trilogy was to take
>place about 50 years before the middle trilogy and the third trilogy was
>to take place about 50 years after the middle trilogy. It would be interesting
>to see these made into movies. Assuming that this is true.
>
>Keith Peterson
Just a quick question, I heared that the droids r2d2 and c3po are the only
characters that appear in all 9 books,  Is this true?

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From: s5484214@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Jon Luther)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS? (1st post?)
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:31:00 GMT

In article <92106.181934EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>, Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
> 
>George has claimed that he will not make any more Indiana Jones movies
>because he says he is burnt out on ways to get Indy in and out of trouble.
>thats his claim, but we've also heard him say no SW movies, too.  Remember
>when Mr. Lucas claimed to be making a horror film (he denied he was making
>TESB at the time) starring all the members of the cast of the original SW?
>I'll bet we'll see another IJ movie in time.....in time....

     I heard a while back that Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade would
be the last indy movie because Harrison Ford refused to do any more of
them...  Anyone else hear something similar???