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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Superman (some more stuff) ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 22 Nov 1992 20:50 EST  

I dropped be yet another comic book store today, and the entire Superman: 
Doomsday set was being sold for $45.00 (yeah, that's what I thought too!).
Sets were actually being bought.  I'm surprised no one has posted to rac.
marketplace to sell SM #75 for $100.00.  Yet.

The goofy thing is, DC and just about every other comic company is going to 
use the Doomsday fiasco as an example: let's kill off a major character and 
get the media to hype it up so we can all get rich.  Who's next on the 
death list?  I already posted about a month ago that a Marvel editor said 
Marvel has compiled a death list of over 10 "major" characters who may be 
killed off this coming year.  

I'm starting to wonder if DC is really going to profit from Supe's death.  
If all the Superman related books are "cancelled" for a year until they 
bring him back, that's a lot of comic book sales that DC will be missing 
out on.  Not exactly the smart thing to do for a company that is trying to 
gain a larger chunk of the marketshare.  Sure Doomsday boosted DC's 
standing for a couple of months, but what about the months after things 
quiet down?  DC had better plan to hype up Superman's return as much as 
they did for his death, otherwise all the non-comics people buying #75 are 
going to forget about this fiasco.

 - Wayne.
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:47:12 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:

>Columbus area news also did a short piece, and Entertainment Tonight did a 
>several minute article.  Unfortunately, they did what so many news shows do 
>when covering comics related news:  They interviewed what must have been the 
>stupidest person in the shop and passed him off as a representative fan.
>     "Like, there's other more futuristic superheroes out there...that shoot 
>energy bolts from their hands...Superman just flies, y'know?"  ARGH.

Oh, that's tame compared to the snot-nosed pun...er, kids that they
interviewed for a newspaper article in Albuquerque a couple of weeks
ago.  The three kids they talked to said that Superman needed to wear
a black costume, have gloves with claws coming out the back, and that
he should carry a gun ("It's the 90's, he needs a gun.")  Good thing I
don't live in Albuquerque, otherwise I'd probably be sitting in jail
on assault charges right now....



-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /| \|
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Grade Report: "Deadman: Exorcism" #1
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:42:57 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

Spoilers for issue #1 of DC's comic book Deadman: Exorcism...

The latest Deadman story by Mike Baron and Kelley Jones is much like the
previous one, _Love_And_Death_ in tone, and is basically quite good.  There
are some quibbles I have with it, though.

My first is Jones' depiction of Deadman.  Now, I've been a fan of Jones since
his days on Micronauts, but his tendency of late to draw these gaunt
(bordering on haggard) characters is out-of-place sometimes, and is expecially
so in the case of Deadman, who has *never* been portrayed this way.

My second is Baron's characterization of Deadman, which lacks much of the
humor which Boston Brand has bandied about throughout his history.  I have no
*intrinsic* problem with a brooding Deadman (especially given the
circumstances surrounding this story), but to utterly *drop* that side of his
personality is a bit tough for me to swallow.

Other than that, this is a fine story, with interesting supporting characters,
and interesting villains (!) in the forms of three ghosts: A priest from the
days of the Salem witch-hunts, a Roman centurion, and an Iroquois warrior,
each with real depth to them.  Deadman has gone a bit off his rocker (thanks
to events from the previous series, briefly recounted here), and a couple of
humans turn up to try to help him, including an old acquaintance of his,
Madame Waxahatchie.  There's also an appearance by the Phantom Stranger.

(One nice touch, by the way, occurs when the three nemesis ghosts take over
the bodies of three nearby humans whom Our Heroes had previously met.  The
priest - clearly the nastiest of the bunch - possesses the body of the man who
was most helpful to Our Heroes, while the centurion, who appears to be
basically an honorable - if outdated - individual, possesses a woman who was
quite rude to them.  Nice irony, that.)

I've never been a big fan of Mike Baron's Nexus (probably his best-know
series), but I do enjoy his Deadman work, for its eclecticism, mainly.  At
$4.95 for prestige format, the price is rather steep, but it might be worth
chancing if you have a little extra money...

Grade: B+

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Oh you need that rite of passage before you can continue on;
 That brave self understanding you can lean your dreams upon."
						- Dougie MacLean
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From: whelal@engr.UVic.CA (Wael  Helal)
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Reply-To: whelal@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:53:47 GMT

In article 92Nov20085512@wpi.WPI.EDU, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>
>kbos> "Superman is really stupid, jumping around in his little red
>kbos> leotards"-a 13 year old "customer"
>
>kbos> "He's too old.  Nobody cares about him anymore.  It's just a
>kbos> lame comic book.  Most comic book characters have a mask to hide
>kbos> their faces.  But him?  He puts on a pair of glasses and - 'Oh?
>kbos> Who are you?'"-same "customer"
>
>kbos> "He needs a better costume.  It should be black instead of red
>kbos> and blue.  He looks like a sissy.  And he needs to have better
>kbos> powers, like a fist with blades that come out.  This is the '90s
>kbos> - he needs a gun."-a 9 year old "customer"
>
>kbos> "I hate Superman.  He's boring.  I think I'd like him to die.
>kbos> He's been on the shelf too long.  He seems outdated."-a 12 year
>kbos> old "customer"
>
>kbos> BTW, all three plan to buy the series, since it'll be worth some
>kbos> money.  The thirteen year old plans to sell the "Death of
>kbos> Superman" series to pay for college.
>
>God, this makes me sick. Let's pass a law, that nobody under 15 can
>buy comic books....
>
>--
> Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
> ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1


Is that age or IQ because if its IQ some of these comments certainly qualify.

whelal@engr.UVic.CA
(Wael Helal)


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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:10:40 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Doomsday: I've been wondering

>> 	Mark my words, this whole "death of Superman" thing
>> will be a debacle for DC.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>Yes, somehow this whole thing reminds me of the "New Coke formula" fiasco. I
>wonder if they'll come up with a "New Superman formula" and then eventually
>bring back "Classic Superman".
> 
>                                        ---Ollie
Gee, I thought the post-crisis Superman WAS the New Coke" of the comics
world. I'm hoping that his death will bring the CLASSIC.


Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."     
                                                               

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From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: THE Image Scorecard
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:39:36 GMT

In article <BxsKHv.JA7@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
|> 
|> Image order of artistic talent.
|> 
|> 1.Portacio	2.McFarlane	3.Silvestri	4.Kieth
|> 5.Keown		6.Lee		7.Larsen	8.Liefeld
|> 9.Valentino
|> 
|> Jed

  I would rank them in the following order:

 1. McFarlane  : no matter what you say about his writing, he CAN draw
 2. Portacio   : loved his X-stuff
 3. Lee        : ditto (I'm NOT a fanboy!)
 4. Silvestri  : seems to be getting better and better
 5. Keown      : the reason I started (and stopped) buying Hulk
 6. Kieth      : his style is neat, but just doesn't click with me
 7. Larsen     : his art suffers from poor coloring/inking on Dragon

 8. Liefeld    \_  These last two hardly qualify under the heading
 9. Valentino  /   "artistic talent", IMHO.
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From: rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney)
Subject: Re: Elektra and Frank Miller ..
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:57:24 GMT

In article <By43s3.L1E@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:
>
>>I was wondering:  Does the Elektra character belong to Frank Miller.  I 
>>would not have thought so since she was created in the pages of Daredevil, 
>>but I think most of Miller's work on the character was under Epic, Marvel's 
>>creator-owned line of books.  What's the scoop?
>
>I think most of the Electra stories were under plain old
>Marvel, not Epic. `Electra Lives Again' was under the
>Epic imprint I think. As for the `owner' of Electra, that
>would be Marvel.
>

	Miller gets creator credit for Elektra.  Also, as far as I
know, no one else has ever written a full-length Elektra story.

Cordially,

Michael S. Rooney

"I am El Guano.  But you will call me master."

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From: aelujan@hadron.engin.umich.edu (Anthony E Lujan)
Subject: RE:  The not-so-Fantastic-Four
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:35:13 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Fantastic Four
Originator: aelujan@hadron.engin.umich.edu


The JMan Writes:
>Has anyone else REALLY gotten sick of the new Fantastic Four's writing? 

>ESPECIALLY Sue Storm? 

I agree that the artist (Paul Ryan) should have his artist liscense revoked
for that new Sue outfit. BLECH!  C'mon people!  Sue should be near 40 by now! 
As an intelligent woman, surely she could come up with some other method of
expressing her anger and aggression than bad trashy clothes!

I'm not all dissapointed with what's been going on with the writing.  They
have managed to turn the entire world of the FF upside down. Considering what's
been going on lately (Lyja, Alicia, the Inniverse (?!), Infinity War), the FF
are bound to be a bit confused and unsure of their place as a group and with 
each other. Of course, as far as Sue being angry with Reed over using Franklin for experiments (angry enough to divorce him?) that story seems to have already been done in the FF around issue 140 or so...  Hmm. By the same token, they
did the "FF is breaking up story" around issues 190-200.  I'm waiting to see
where the book goes.  Hopefully they won't end up by turning the FF into
a bunch of Wolverine clones (oh wait... they already did that with Cable
and Bishop and Stryfe and Feral and Wolfsbane).
From: sbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott B. Casteel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Bringing Superman back
Date: 23 Nov 1992 03:31:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I don't recall who stated the Waverider theory, but I think he's
on the right track. All of you who read Superman #73 (with Wavy),
recall the scene at the end (just before the Doomsday panels) 
where Supes is thinking about the Linear Men and says, quote-
"Nothing we can do. Nothing anyone can do. Except the Linear Men.
They can bring the dead back to life. No wonder they scare me."
I think his resurrection will somehow be involved with them.
Actually, now that I think about this story fits in with the 
Pre-Doomsday stories.

Anyone want to buy my Superman #75? Only $250!! 
-- 
Scott Casteel <<sbc>>
   "Wanna make somethin' out of it?"
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman: here's what we do...
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:44:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14766.2b10ee3d
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1992Nov23.164631.11980@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
> I am calling on EVERYONE who reads RACM to swear a solemn oath to REFUSE TO BUY
> THE RESSURECTION ISSUE!! In fact, force your friends to swear this too. And

Hey, I like the Superman titles.  I like that they came out weekly.
The stories were some of the best in comics today.  I'm hoping that
after this Doomsday business, Supes will be brought back and the
DC crew can go back to telling good stories again.

Mark Balbes
Defender of Truth, Justice and the American Way.
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From: kllove@wildcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love)
Subject: Re: Brainstorm: How DC will bring Superman back from the dead
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:17:15 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: Ressurection Central

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

>Only one problem: Brainiac-5 won't invent the lead serum for
>another thousand years.  I just don't see Superman II saying "Oh
>no, that villain's gun is firing *lead* *bullets*! I'm helpless!"

Please excuse my poor memory, but isn't Valor a Daxamite?  In Valor #3
he thinks, "...and maybe I can talk Vril Dox into coughing up some more of
the serum that protects me from lead poisoning."  Obviously, B-5 isn't
needed.  Dox'll do! :-)

Probably wouldn't matter much anyway.

Has anybody else noticed that all 4 superman titles are still on the
subscription ads in recent issues of DC comics?

(Aside: Does anybody know what happened to 'Inside DC'?  The last I saw was
number 38.  Did I miss any?  I asked before and one person replied that
they didn't know.  Other than that -- ZIP!)

                                                  adTHANKSvance,
                                                  Kenneth Love
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: where Metropolis is
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:47:24
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1e8ejvINN3kb@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <vanyel.721934260@camelot>
	<14689.2b07a000@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
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In-reply-to: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 13:20:00 EST

Actually it's obvious to me that the difference between the DC
universe and our universe is that the continental US is larger than
our version by roughly one and a half times the area of New York City
(that covers Metropolis and Gotham City and maybe a few other non-real
cities).

I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out the obvious
leap from this fact to the existence of Superheroes.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:55:06 EST
From: <SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Dumb Sandman Joke (was Re: Doomsday - Despero's long-lost brother?

In article <Bxtu91.Csu@news.udel.edu>, krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John
Krupski) says:
>Doomsday isn't the Hulk and he isn't Lobo.  He's Despero with a name change.

Aw, I thought he was the missing Endless, Sandman's Brother, Destruction.
          R I K
------
Hey, truth in advertising. What more did you want?
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From: pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Superprice for Superdeath????????
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:56:47 GMT

I get a call from, of all people, my mother-in-law.

"Did you buy that new Superman comic book?"

"Yes, mom...."

"Good....I just heard on hte news it's worth a thousand dollars.  You
didn't pay a thousand dollars, did you?"

"No, mom.....".........."'bye mom.........."


Anybody confirm this.  This has GOT to be the most contrived story in
news history....and I used to work in news, so I know contrived....



Yeah....right.....a thousand bucks.  My mother-in-law for pete's sake....


PJH
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From: gerry@eng.umd.edu (Gerald Emil Shukert)
Subject: GIFS
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 02:13:02 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Keywords: GIFS gif

Is there anyplace in rn that I can get gifs of comic art or the like.



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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:15:57 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Doomsday-Despero's Long-lost brother

>Doomsday isn't the Hulk and he isn't Lobo.  He's Despero with a name change.

To tell you the truth, I think he looks a lot like ALIEN's long-lost
cousin. The cover of MAN OF STEEL #19 looks a lot like a panel from Walt
Simonson's adaptation of the movie.
Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: A public apology
Keywords: It's an apology
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:24:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Attention please:

I hereby publicly apologize to Mr. Cowling for "flaming" him in public.  I did
not intend to bring any slurs upon Mr. Cowling's character - not in the
slightest.  I merely wished to bring a little creative humor to the newsgroup
and draw Mr. Cowling's attention to his actions.  Apparently, Mr. Cowling did
not like my humorous criticism, and decided to engage in his own slurring, via
e-mail.  It would be impolite to discuss the exact words, but the tone was 
hardly one for niceties.  

Instead, I offer a critical examination of the issue at hand, in order to
prevent any further improper action on the part of either party.

Mr. Cowling, what you offer is nothing less than censorship, which I and I'm 
sure many others believe is DEAD WRONG.  It is not fair to those who cannot
recieve the alt.comics.lnh newsgroup to be bereft of what they wish to read.
Neither you or any group within the net has any right to say what can and 
cannot be posted.  If you do not like the setup, well, everyone is sorry, but
everything in the power of the LNH is being done to remedy the situation.  
Until that time, the group will continue to post - once they can be sure that
everyone recieves the newsgroup they will no longer post here, VOLUNTARILY.
They have their own group now - why would they need to post here if every 
location on the net recieved their newsgroup??  They are currently conducting 
a poll to determine exactly where the problem is.  Once it is ascertained, the
situation will be finished.  End of story.

Once again, thank you for hearing me out.

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From: speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:18:29 MST
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <BxsH8v.GFq@ecf.toronto.edu> kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K) writes:
>Has anyone out there read ROBIN 3000?

>I saw it on the stands, but passed it up because of the high $$$.

>On a hunch, it didn't look like anything special, but I'd like to know
>if someone out there liked it.

>I'm thinking that if it was anything short of INCREDIBLE, then I made
>a wise decision.

I think you did.  

For the first time in my life, I'm regretting being a P. Craig Russell 
completist.

The big problem is the writing, which is really quite impressively bad.
Maybe a Miller or a Simenson could have taken the horrendous mishmash
of sub-GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY cliches and made it moderately exciting 
(although I think "good" would be beyond even them).  Russell, on the
other hand, is not an action(tm) artist, and the result is a bunch of
very nicely executed, static scenes from a really bad space opera 
(Robin, you see, is humanity's last hope in the rebellion against the
evil Spurgs (I think).  It goes downhill from there).

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From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #61
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:34:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.203548.28924@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>An above-average issue of Hellblazer.  Ennis is at his best with
>quiet moments, restrained horror, and drama that doesn't try to
>become melodrama.  In this issue he's writing to those strengths,

	You liked it?  I thought it was rushed.  Maybe because I kept thinking
the story was going to end 2-3 pages before it really did.  
	Actually, I had just been reading a friend's "Original Sins" and those 
first two issues were HUGE.  How long were they, anyway?   They took me a LONG
time to read.

>It's also refreshing that he has shifted the longer-term storyline
>from one in which the Devil is plotting to have Constantine for
>breakfast to one in which Constantine is the one doing the plotting.
>I think it shows a nice grasp of what makes the title, and the
>character, work.
>
	I just wish I knew what that scheme was.  I suppose I'll find out soon
enough...

>so much as sheer gall.
	HAH!  I loved his little line to Triskele, "He does me in now, [...]"

>  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser