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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:29:38 GMT

davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen) writes:

>>Same way with Lufthansa. Is USAir really that attractive?

>USAir is the "most attractive" of all of the possibilities.
>Other possibilities:
>   CO: Continental.  IN bankruptcy now.  Perspective buyers have
>       been looking at them for awhile.

Rumors here in Germany say that CO will survive. They are working on a
deal that will make they guys CO owns money (well I don't know the
english word for if) as share holdes of CO. That ends up in increasing
the capital of CO, which allows them to escape from Chapt. 11.

>   NW: Northwest.  Somehow I can't imagine BA being interested
>       in an airline that flies to such picturesque cities
>       as DET and MSP.  The two cities just don't have the customer
>       base now, nor do they have people interested in flying to
>       London.

SAS already owns a big deal of NW. So BA possibly can't buy parts
of NW.

>David Andersen
>UC Irvine

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
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From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:44:48 GMT
Followup-To: nobody
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <mcnally.712021277@wsl.pa.dec.com> mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:
>
>There's "correcting" and there's "correcting".  The evidence is pretty
>convincing that direct physical punishment tends to teach children that
>a valid way of affecting the behavior of another person is to assault
>that person.

I would say that a direct physical attack is definitely going to go
a long way toward altering someone's behavior, yes. 

>
>Coporal punishment of children is illegal in Sweden and has been for
>some time.  I wonder if more and more Swedes are brats with problems?



The rate of suicide and alchoholism is higher in Sweden. It must
be all those parents whose kids are driving them up the wall.


While I am not a fan of corporal punishment, I am not a fan of his
friends Major Nuisance or General Disturbance.

I have watched parents in action. Parents who yell and yell and yell
wind up with kids who can tune out really well. Trust me. I know such
families. I avoid them. Parents who manipulate their kids wind up with
anxious kids. Parents who batter their kids wind up with little thugs.
Parents who go through the steps of first trying to reason with the kid,
then yell if step 1 fails and then swat on the bottom if all else fails
tend to have kids who toe the line without being particularly screwed
up one way or another. After a while, the kids learn to avoid the
yelling and hitting by listening.

Maybe a kid who understands that a threat can have a follow-up can cope
better with other people who were not raised in Sweden and who want the
wallet and the Rolex.



Since this is more peevy or parenty than air-travelly, I have directed
the followup to "nobody".

ER
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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Jul23.043150.19572@pony.Ingres.COM>
	<1992Jul23.190948.14896@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:46:00 GMT

Stefan> == Stefan Heck <valardin@leland.Stanford.EDU> 

 Stefan> In article <1992Jul23.043150.19572@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>In article <92204.175127ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET (Bliss B. Siman) writes:
>>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it is
>>smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines across the
>>Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>The 767  is one of  the safest  airplanes  in the  sky.   True,  it is
>smaller than a 747, but it is still a rather large  plane.  It has two
>aisles, and a 2-3-2 configuration on most airlines.  I would not worry
>about it's having only two  engines.  The FAA has strict certification
>rules which the 767 has passed.  Among other things, the airplane must
>be able to complete  rotation and take off  with  one engine out.  
>
>Don't worry about it,
>				reb
>
 
 Stefan> Except that about a year ago or so a 767 dissintegrated over
 Stefan> Thailand due to a thrust reverser that went off in mid air
 Stefan> during a power climb. Not that having fewer engines makes this
 Stefan> any more harmful, but it does reflect the fact that this is a
 Stefan> newer plane and not designed from the ground up with its own
 Stefan> components like the new Airbuses.

What about the 767 that *glided* to a landing in Canada? (This was some
messup with the Canadian govt forcing Air Canada to convert to Metrics
and the fuel was mismeasured.) No engines. Just glided down to the
ground... 

I'd bet that the 767 is *more* safe than the new Airbuses. It shares
technology and cockpit layout with the 757. It's not fly-by-wire. It
doesn't have sidestick controllers. It's been out for ten years and has
had one catastrophic hull loss (the A320 has been out three years and
has three catastrophic hull losses). Airbus keeps saying "oh, it was a
lack of altitude that caused the crash...". Yeah. Everytime *I* crash
into the ground there's a lack of altitude there too!! 

--Helen

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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: I want to be bumped
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Group W Bench

In <1992Jul27.211752.2005@athena.mit.edu> cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim) writes:

>One problem I can forsee from all your suggestions. Normally, you have to check
>in your check-in lugguage before you go to the boarding gate. What if you get
>bumped and the your bugguage didn't ? How to ensure that your check-in lugguage
>travel on the alternate flight as you ?

Don't check your luggage.  Far better to have to lug a suitcase around the 
airport than to not have it at all.... I have a big duffel bag I use for
pleasure trips, and a suitbag for business.... just cram everything in
there and go.  If you've got a long trip, either be prepared to do laundry,
or don't go for the bump (on your way out, at least :)

-- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
The color coded maps and signs match the station colors.
From: spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Info needed on air india
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:24:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: yocomputo.berkeley.edu

In reference to previous posting on Air India, there is both an
Air India (for foreign flights outside of India) and Indian
Airlines for domestic flights within the country.  We recently
did quite a bit of traveling within India on Indian Airlines
($400 pass for 3 weeks of unlimited travel) and criss crossed
the country -Bombay, Calcutta, Goa, Delhi, and points in
between. Indian Airlines actually wasn't bad at all - the most a
flight was delayed was by 30 minutes. Nor were any of our bags
lost as all luggage must be checked to the airplane right on the
tarmac.

Dan Landis  spanga@athena.berkely.edu
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: JFK -> LGA/EWR
Date: 20 Jul 92 17:25:35 GMT
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY

In article <pal.711214979@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl) writes:
>Hi there!
>
>What is the best (i.e. cheapest & quickest) way to get from JFK to
>LGA or EWR? How much is it and how long does it take?

Cary Bus Corp. runs shuttle busses between JFK and LGA.  The bus stops
every half hour at the busstop near each terminal in both airpots.  The
cost is $9.50.  The ride takes a minimum of 50 minutes--the bus stops at
every terminal then at the Long Island Railroad Jamaica, Queens station
before going to the other airport.  However, if traffic is bad on the
Van Wyk Expressway (and a lot of times it is), then it will take longer.

There are no direct services from either airport to Newark (unless you
take a cab or a helicopter--NY Air charges [I think] $45 for this trip).
You can get to EWR from Newark Penn Station or from the Port Authority
Bus Terminal in Manhattan.  From there, another company runs busses to
EWR.

To get to the Port Authority Bus Terminal from JFK you can take the Cary
Bus.  They charge you $11.  I do not have the informaiton on the cost or
time between the Port Authority and EWR.  I think this is the better way
to Newark without spending an arm and leg.  Be warned, these busses must
pass through tunnels that can have upwards of 30 minutes delay entering
them.

If you are in an adventurous mood and want to go "cheap," when you get o
JFK take the long term parking bus to the subway stop.  For $1.15 and 40
minutes you can take the A or C train to Penn Station.  At Penn Station
you go to Amtrack area to find NJ Transit, who can take you to Newark
Penn Station.  There, you can get another bus to EWR.  I don't know the
times and cost on the New Jersey portion of the trip.

-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
From: cs226a030@husky1.stmarys.ca
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:08:29 -0400
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada

In article <BrwzCF.5Ey@world.std.com>, eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:
> In <l6c2ttINNgh0@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
> 
> 
> 
>>Seriously, though, misbehaving small children are a genuine peeve of mine,
>>on or off of airplanes, and they seem to getting more numerous all the 
>>time -- acting in a manner that would've caused my own parents to knock my
>>head off, had I behaved that way at their age.  More and more of the 
>>parents I encounter are incredibly oblivious to the disturbances created 
>>by their progeny, and I resent that.
> 
> I think it is all these "know-it-all psychologists" who claim that correcting a
> child will do permanent emotional damage to the child. Like other theories, I
> bet in fifteen years we will discover that they were wrong and we will have
> millions of adult brats walking around with even bigger problems.
> 
> 73s Eric, WB1HBU  eac@world.std.com
> 

	I have to agree. Kids will get away with as much as they can.
Disciplining them dosen't mean they will grow up warped. Kids are like dogs.
They Need discipline; without it, they aren't able to know when they have
crossed the line into bad behavior.
	Example: My brother, who is 5 (yes, we are full brothers, not half, and
yes, my parents wanted him. I think I was the accident ;-). My mom took us both
to a decent restaraunt the other day, and he started to act up (he tends to get
a bit worked up when I am around, since I no longer live at home). My mother
warned him to quiet down twice ( I have to point out that nobody has even
noticed him, it wasn't like he was howling at the top of his lungs or running
all over the place or anthing). The third time he started causeing probelms, my
mom said, "Excuse me Mike, but we're going to the bathroom." 
	At this point my brother turned white, but went quietly. I have no
doubt that my mom gave him a pretty stern talking to. She didn't hit him; Mom
would never do that. When they came back, my brother behaved perfectly for the
rest of the meal. He was quiet, he didn't squirm, there were no problems at
all.
	What's the point? The point is this: Mom had a good meal, I had a good
meal, Andrew ( my bro) had a good meal, and sio did everyone else in the
restaraunt. I seriously doubt my brother suffered and emotional damage, and now
hw has a better idea of how to behave in a restaraunt. All because when he
stepped acorss the line of good behavior, he got snapped right back. If only
ALL parents would do that to their kids.

ParentalPeeve: Parents who have kids because it's "the thing to do" then treat
them like pets, and wonder why they didn't turn out right.

Later
Mike 
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From: eamayne@eos.ncsu.edu (ELIZABETH ANNE MAYNE)
Subject: one-way ticket buffalo-raleigh/durham
Originator: eamayne@c00535-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: eamayne@eos.ncsu.edu (ELIZABETH ANNE MAYNE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:10:14 GMT


one way ticket for august 13. date can be changed
for $25 fee.  traveler should be female.

best offer.

reply by e-mail to eamayne@eos.ncsu.edu
From: cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: World Airline Rankings?
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:18:30 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

How is the final position derived ? I was just looking at 11 placed Singapore
Airlines. Although it scored 5s for every cat except for $$$ how does it end up
in 11th place while obviously airline like Delta, El Al, Qantas etc are placed
higher than SIA but has lower scores ?

I am from Singapore which explains my bias.

cheeky
From: tencati@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Airline Mileage Awards - What are they worth?
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:27:00 GMT
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I've often seen ads from people who either want to buy, or sell 
airline frequent flyer mileage awards.

I've got over 230,000 miles in American's AAdvantage program. That 
translates into something like 5 r/t tix to Hawaii (3 1st Class), 5
tix to Europe (3 1st Class), or 2 tix to Japan or Hong Kong or
Australia. 

If I were inclined to try to convert the miles into cash, how would I
figure out what they were worth?

This is an academic question, I'm most likely going to use them to 
take my wife on a nice trip to make up for all those times I'm away on 
travel. But I've always been curious.

Ron Tencati
Hughes STX Corporation
Washington, D.C.

[It always amazes me that the airlines reward their frequent flyers 
with more air-time. The last thing I want is another flight 
somewhere...]
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Results: Poll of Best International Air Carrier
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:10:58 GMT

gantony@metz.une.edu.au wrote: 
->I would bet my hat that the positive respondents of the survey flew Snob.

ok, i'll bite: i flew snob class and had a ball.  fresh lobster for
lunch, reasonable service, and very comfortable flight.

you sound painfully jealous.  may i recommend a laxative? ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire)
Subject: Little Planes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:20:01 GMT

I'm traveling from Champaign to Chicago (dunno the airport codes, but it's
Willard at the U of Illinois to O'Hare).  The flight just happens to be
on one of those little dinky "Express" planes.  I've never had any trouble
flying before, and I've done quite a bit of it, but I've also never been
on a small plane run by propellers.  Needless to say, I'm a bit nervous.
(If I had known I would be flying on a fifteen seater, I probably would've
just taken the bus ;)  I can't really change the flight because 1. It's in
a week, and 2. I'm on my way to Seattle and I'm meeting my family in 
Chicago before continuing on with them (so I can't try all those neat 
"bump" tricks 'n stuff :)  Does anyone have any stories/crash facts
to calm my (surely irrational) fears?
			-Wildfire-


 ||    Wildfire  ||  hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  ||  lmh44500@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  ||
 || "Computers are just the opposite of people.  In computers the software ||
 ||  goes into the hardware.  In people the hardware..." Torchsong Trilogy ||
 || disclaimer:  "...my love, you, if anyone, should know that my rules    ||
 ||         only apply to other people, not myself"  -Friday               ||
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From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: Taxy fares from JFK to Manhattan
Keywords: taxy, bus, rail, tube
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.173322.29151@panix.com> tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey) writes:

>  Taxi is close to FORTY DOLLARS to Manhattan...  Limo/bus is 7.50-8.00
>to Grand Central.. THEN take a taxi to where you want to go..
>


OK, I said taxi runs about/above $20, I meant high 20's.  Sorry.
But if you got charged $40, you either:
(1) Got taken for a ride.
(2) Got stuck in traffic.
(3) Went to Harlem or some other place in northern Manhattan.
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Tower Air?
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:17:24 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

pbp1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter B Palij) wrote: 
->Is Tower Air a reasonable airline for U.S. to Europe in terms of
->treatment of passengers, price/performance and staying on schedule?
->Thanks for any views or experiences.

yes, from what i've heard.  they aim at the low end of the market and
serve them well.  you won't get frequent flyer  mileage, but you'll
get there safe and sound, with hundreds more dollars in your pocket.

--
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Consolidator tix on AA
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:05:38 GMT

davida@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU wrote: 
->I don't know if anyone noticed the little insert in AA's FF magazine
->that said that as of November, unpublished fares will no longer be
->able to get FF miles!
->
->Do other airlines have this policy?

yes.  

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: World Airline Rankings?
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:11:50 GMT

			RANKING OF AIRLINES

  Is anyone aware of any survey of world airlines with rankings based
on their level of service with inputs from travellers, travel agents etc ?     I do read "Air Transport World" regularly but have never seen such a survey    there. Can anyone give a reference for such a survey in the recent past?
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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Revive the Lokheed 1649 Starliner?
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:22:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>On most domestic flights is what we want reliable, ontime service that does not
>cost a fortune for the airfare?  If this is the case, do we really care if we
>are flying a jet airliner such as the 727, 737 or even 757?

Affectation.  "Business" people like to pretend that they and their time are
more important than they really are.  Unless I'm confused, prop planes travel
more slowly than the typical jet, and the typical business type believes
that every second of his/her time is worth a zillion bucks.  I laugh every
time I see one wearing a suit, jammed into a seat with a briefcase, twenty
tablets, and a ream of 132 column COBOL output, furiously hacking MS-DOS.

Personally, I view an airplane as a way to get from one place to another.
I don't really give a damn whose logo is painted on the outside, or even
what model the plane happens to be.  If a prop flight took twice as long but
cost half as much, I'd take it.
-- 

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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Info on airlines.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:44:59 GMT

In article <131512@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>UTA -- French Airline, now owned by its longtime competitor, Air France --
>       flies to Paris and Papeete, Tahiti

Not to mention Africa, bits of Asia and the Far East, New Caledonia, 
New Zealand, Australia and Tokyo (route to Noumea, New Caledonia).  I flew
them once and thought they were quite good.

>Condor -- German charter, I believe

Wholly owned subsidiary (I believe) of Lufthansa... planes, etc, maintained
by Lufthansa.

>Martinair -- Dutch charter -- mainly to Amsterdam

Partially owned by KLM.  Also a very good outfit.

RNA


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From: yarvin@highlite.uucp (Curtis Yarvin)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:33:05 GMT

In article <mcnally.712021277@wsl.pa.dec.com> mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:
>eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:
>
>>In <l6c2ttINNgh0@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>>I think it is all these "know-it-all psychologists" who claim that correcting a
>>child will do permanent emotional damage to the child. Like other theories, I
>>bet in fifteen years we will discover that they were wrong and we will have
>>millions of adult brats walking around with even bigger problems.
>
>There's "correcting" and there's "correcting".  The evidence is pretty
>convincing that direct physical punishment tends to teach children that
>a valid way of affecting the behavior of another person is to assault
>that person.

And who says it ain't?  Personally, I can't think of a more valid way
of affecting someone's behavior.

>Corporal punishment of children is illegal in Sweden and has been for
>some time.  I wonder if more and more Swedes are brats with problems?

Perhaps they're just learning that the only valid way of affecting someone's
behavior is persuading him to share your faith in peace, love, and common
humanity.

This would fit quite nicely with the usual Swedish style, prevalent
ever since Gustavus Adolphus bought up the national gonad supply
and lost it all in the icy Volga, dooming Sweden to eternal neutrality
but bringing joy to caviar-lovers in the centuries to follow.

c
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