HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: FRAUD ALERT - CD-ROM vendor
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:45:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cd-rom
Organization: InCC.com Perwez Belgium

In article <1992Oct9.105736.25811@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jeg7e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell) writes:
> 
> [deleted....] 
> 
> 1.) Purchase via Credit card.
> 	You can return ANYTHING within 30 days and pay nothing. All you need
> 	do is call your credit card company, indicate that you are 'unsatisfied'
> 	with your purchase. Then ship the offending item back to the vendor, get
> 	a shipping receipt (insure the package optionaly, I send it back COD)
> 	and mail a copy of the purchase and return shipping receipt, VOILA!
> 
> 	Your account is credited the FULL amount of purchase.
> 
> 	This is federal law. This is why direct marketing (mail order) ALWAYS
> 	offers '30 days satisfaction guarantee!' It's Federal Credit Law. Might
> 	as well offer it as a feature. Some offer an additional 30 days, but
> 	impose restocking fees during this period.
> [deleted....] 
 
 Do any europeans reading this know if this is the case in Europe ??

 I did not know you could do that, I remember a few years ago I had
 a problem with a supplier and when I rang visa they said that was a
 problem between me and the supplier and if a refund was due it would
 have to come from supplier, which of course it never came, this is
 about 7 years ago, things may have changed since then, anyone know
 about European Law?

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: auto-cancelling
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:04:19 GMT

In article <9210160142.AA08797@ucsd.edu> FLEM%athena@leia.polaroid.COM (SKIP FLEM, NT1G, 14X17 NEWTON-1M 617-630-4482) writes:
>>>It would have been interesting if I'd gotten a majority vote to cancel those
>>>two users.
>It would of meant there are more people who think like you.  You can't vote 
>away a Constitutional Right. Freedom of Speech.  Low single digit number ??

It wouldn't be a good thing, but I don't think it would be
unconstitutional.  USENET hasn't yet been declared a public forum, 
like shopping centers. 

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From: paul@n3eop.pgh.pa.us (paul)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radius Programming
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:11:10 GMT
Organization: CrossRoads in Elizabeth, PA

A friend of mine has some Motorola Radius radios, both handhelds and 
mobiles.  We are looking for programming info on these radios; we need 
both the hardware and software.  Our local dealer won't sell us any type 
of programmer.  (Of course not; he wants to get paid to do the 
programming for us.)

Any help would be appreciated.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: Re: ICOM-2SRA: 2m and Scanner: How is it?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 21:00:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: Why do you care?

In article <1992Oct7.134559.18190@venus.ic.cmc.ca>, pas@jupitercmc.ca (Peter Stokes) writes:

|> As a followup on the ICOM-2SRA, I have a question about
|> the RX capability:   can it be set to not open squelch 
|> AND continue scanning if a signal is received that does
|> not contain a desired CTCSS/PL tone?    

I think it's possible on HAM band (137-174 MHz), but I don't
think you can use CTCSS/PL thingies on wideband receiver...
But I don't have the manual at hand, sorry...
-- 
Regards,
Uri.		uri@watson.ibm.com scifi!angmar!uri 
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From: ant-vent@precipice.chi.il.us (Paul Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info on 2m glass/disguise antenna wanted
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 01:40:38 CDT
Organization: Welch Research, McHenry IL, USA

stuart@ee.fit.edu (William Stuart) writes:

>
> In article <1992Sep28.074208.3768@arizona.edu> petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.ed
> >Anyway, the question remains... how can I mount some useful antennas?
> >At bare minimum, i'd like to run 2m on a regular basis, an on-glass
> >antenna is one route (low to no gain), also antenna specialists used to
> >make a disguise antenna (am/fm/2m) but that has been discontinued.
>
> Antennas America makes disguised antennas that stick to your windows for
> just about any band you could want.  Their antennas are 3.5" x 3.5" adhesive
> stickers that have traces embedded in them.  A friend of mine has used one
> and found it to be at least as good as a 1/4 wave.  The antenna is omni-
> directional when mounted per the instructions.  The part that sticks to the
> window is black, but you can get it with a security warning decal so it just
> looks like an alarm sticker.

If you want an antenna that really works, an on glass antenna
won't do it.  These "sticker antennae" are not much better than a
dummy load - reason - the tinting material used in the glass is
either lead (grey) or cobalt (blue).  These materials will absorb
most of the output of your transmitter.  The same problem occurs
with the on-the-glass antennae - signal absorption by the window
tinting material.

Now if you want a real antenna, there is a company in McHenry, IL
**** U.S.A. **** that makes an antenna that will knock your socks
off.  No it is not a disguised antenna. Counting the matching
network it is 57 inches tall.  In operation it will make a 5/8
wave antenna look like a dummy load.  This is due to its low
radiation angle, and the lack of lossy loading coils in the
matching network.  In short this is a real antenna!!!  The price
on this antenna is only $39.95 + $5.00 S&H.

For info on this antenna and other interesting products send a
S.A.S.E. to ANT-VENTURES, P.O.Box 776, McHenry, IL 60051 - or you
can call them at 815-344-1702.
From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with inductors...
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:25:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.20360100
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

VE7GRI writes:
>I need to make a 0.5 uh coil but I have no idea what kind of wire to use and
>how many turn will be required.  Can anyone help?

A useful formula:  L=n^2 * r^2 / (9r+10l)

where L is inductance in microhenries, r is the coil radius in inches,
l is the coil length in inches, and n is number of turns.

You didn't mention what frequency you will be using it at or what
unloaded Q it will need at that frequency.  If we assume 25MHz
and an unloaded Q of about 300, and a length the same as the
diameter, the diameter should be about .6 inches.  (There's a
graph and formula for this in Sams' "Reference Data for Radio
Engineers"; I can post a formula if folk are interested...)

From that and the above formula, n=6.95, darned close to 7 turns.
Choose a wire size such that the turns are spaced by about one
wire diameter, to keep inter-turn capacitance under control:
wire diameter = 0.6"/13 = .0462", which is real close to 17 gauge
(which is hard to find unless you visit motor rewind shops); use
18 or 16 if it's handy.  Even 14 should be fine.  Bare or enameled,
or even plastic insulated if you want.  Solid copper holds its
shape well without a former in this sort of size (but how stable
does your application require?).
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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL DIGITAL COMMITTE REVISED REPORT 9/26/92
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:31:55 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Oct9.115103.1@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com> estey@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com writes:
>
>                        Report and Recommendation 
>                 to the ARRL Board of Directors, from the 
>        ARRL Committee on Amateur Radio Digital Communications
>                            September 26, 1992
[text deleted]

A big thank you to the folks who hollered and screamed to make this
happen. This is a good workable plan. I'm especially pleased by the
recomendation to delete the AX25 link level requirement from the
rules.

Gary KE4ZV
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:39:32 GMT

>>>Show a little tolerance, OM!  
>>Er... that was a YL, OM!  :)
>
>	Personal custom: I use OM as a genderless "pronoun" to refer to a
>	fellow ham.  
>
>>:- Michael A. Covington     internet mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu 

Hmmmm, interesting concept Young Lady...
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: weiss@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Info on 2m glass/disguise antenna wanted
Organization: University of Minnesota
 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:37:25 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kenw@col.hp.com (Ken Wyatt)
Subject: Re: RCA HT Info?
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:57:25 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division




Well, the first sentance of my post didn't make it, obviously.

It should have read:  Does anyone know the correct address/company that
services RCA commercial radios?  Used to be TAC-TEC, but I believe they
were bought out by another.  Anyone have the facts?
From: parkin@electron.Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Parkin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM Service!
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:27:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: electron

This is not a comment about service but about a
literature request.  In the lastest CQ magazine
buyers quide there is a full page ad for the new
ICOM IC-(delta)1A tri-band HT.  I called up ICOM
to get a brochure and they wrote back that they
have never heard of the IC-(delta)1A. I thought
that was amusing.
Mike
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,alt.cd-rom,misc.consumers
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: FRAUD ALERT - CD-ROM vendor
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 06:26:22 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
                 ^^ should have known

>In article <+!jp7bp@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>>bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams) writes:
>>>Man that seems a little childish from my viewpoint since Matsushita is
>>>ACTUALLY PANASONIC. Whats the big deal? Besides what makes it "inferior"
>>>to a supposed REAL panasonic labelled device anyway.
>>
>>I can understand your viewpoint since you lack the ability to distinguish
>>between Matsushita which is Panasonic's parent and Matshita which is

>And you evidently lack the ability, or courtesy, to use the word '(sic)'
>when appropriate.  I guess most people thought you were being as careless
>with your spelling as you evidently are with your purchasing.

Only you, fella, only you.  Best thing to do when reading my posts is
to assume I write exactly what I mean.  BTW, "SIC" would have only
applied had I been noting a misspelling by someone else.  Such
as your use of "labelling" (sic) above.

John
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From: awinterb@diana.cair.du.edu (Art Winterbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: rec.radio.swap
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:15:28 GMT
Distribution: den
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

I am seeking donations of 2-meter radio equipment and a TNC to
begin a radio club at Colorado's Finest Alternative High School
(an Englewood school which serves the entire metro area).  Also
looking for donations of licensing study guides, radio magazines,
and electronic books.  Please contact either:

Art Winterbauer, N0OQS
10047 E. Mexico Ave.
Denver, CO  80231
333-4513 (office)
745-1087 (home)

or

Dr. Thomas Synnott, Principal
Colorado's Finest Alternative High School
2323 W. Baker
Englewood, CO  80110
934-5786

-- 
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Internet:  awinterb@du.edu OR awinterb@diana.cair.du.edu
Packet:    awinterb @ N0OQS.#NECO.CO.USA
From: kindred@telesciences.com (David L Kindred (Dave))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Safety of auto battery for power?
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:51:06 GMT
Organization: Telesciences CO Systems, Inc.

In article <9210011332.aa18329@Paris.ics.uci.edu> turner@safety.ICS.UCI.EDU (Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG) writes:

   My question is: during a charge, does a lead-acid cell such as this
   emit any dangerous fumes?  I will trickle charge with no special circuit,
   using a 3 amp supply on occasion for a day or two just to keep it up.
   I want it to be near full charge at any given point.  I plan to use the
   battery once a month to operate for a few hours (test and recharge).

   Clark

This question is well answered by many others, but one safety concern
hasn't been mentioned.  I work in the telephone industry, where
everything is running off of central batteries.  One of the biggest
hazards I have seen is that batteries are capable of providing
incredibly high currents. I apologize in advance if you've already
thought of this.

For your protection, and that of your equipment, insure that the
battery terminals are not left exposed (the boat battery case
mentioned previously would be perfect for this).  A dropped tool would
make quite a mess if it shorted the battery.  Also, I would install a
fuse as close to the battery as I could.  This will protect everything
down stream from the battery, especially any power distribution
wiring.

Speaking of wiring, remember that the resistance of the wire will be
significant for that low of a voltage.  Keep your runs short, and use
the largest wire size you possibly can.  You mention 40 meter DX as
one of your goals for the battery.  Unless you are running QRP, you're
going to need some big wiring.  There have been articles before on
power wiring for cars, and many of the same rules apply.  In our lab
here, the smallest size wire we use for the -48v distribution is 4/0.
If you keep the battery close to the radio I doubt you would need
this, but I would consider going no smaller than 4 gauge for anything
over 2 or 3 feet in length.  My off-the-cuff design would be to run
4/0 to 4 gauge (depending on distance and total load) from the fuse at
the battery to a multiple fuse panel at the radio(s).  Then use 8
gauge (larger for big amps, smaller would be ok for low power rigs)
from each individual fuse to the radio(s).

For a quick and dirty source of large gauge wire, consider
disassembling a set of car jumper cables.  Also, welding cable would
be quite suitable, and available in short lengths.
						- Dave

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From: sterling@cbmvax.commodore.com (Rick Sterling - Test Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: sterling@cbmvax.commodore.com (Rick Sterling - Test Eng)
Distribution: na
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <=lzz+cq@rpi.edu> night@acm.rpi.edu writes:
>In <1992Oct12.134903.5586@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer) writes:
>
>>	How much can one reasonably expect customer preferences to define
>>	personal behaviour on the part of the owner?  It seems to me that
>>	one can reasonably expect quality of service and other business
>>	related concerns of the owners, but it is entirely unreasonable
>>	to indirectly define their personal behaviour.  This might be more
>>	clear to you if the issue wasn't smoking (given its recent 
>>	unpopularity) in the store, ie substitute age, ethnicity, race, etc
>>	for familiar reasons we all agree are incorrect when used to
>>	differentiate.  Discrimination is wrong, whatever the reason given.
>
>This isn't discrimination.  Age, sex, ethnicity are things a person can't
>change.  That's why decisions based on those factors are called discrimination.
>Smoking is something a person can control.  It falls in a similar category
>to the person's attitude towards his customers.
>
>You wouldn't want to do business with someone who was rude or arrogant, would
>you?  Well, I consider smoking a form of rudeness.  That person obviously
>has little concern for how his actions affect other people.  Now maybe you
>don't find the smoke bothersome, but I (and many other people) do, and I 
>personally would rather hold my breath than breathe that crap in.
>-- 
>Trip Martin
>night@acm.rpi.edu

 What category do beliefs fall in? ( ie: Religion, Politics, All hams should 
 learn CW at 20wpm, etc. ) 
 Beliefs can be changed, therefore one can discriminate based on them, right?
 
 Or how about personal preferences or esthetics? Now maybe you don't find the
 odor of cooking fish (fill in your own particular obnoxious item here) 
 bothersome, but I (and many other people) do, and I personally would rather 
 hold my breath than breathe that crap in. ;-)
From: rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:34:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook

In article <1992Oct13.194244.27100@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.123344.16596@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer) writes:
>>
>>	discrimination: to act on the basis of prejudice
>>	prejudice: an adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand
>>	  	   or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
>>
>>	At least that is how the dictionary I have defines these terms.
>
>
>I'd sure like to know what dictionary you're using.... You might be
>able to get a refund on defective merchandise.

	American Heritage Dictionary.  Of course, Trip Martin pointed out
	in private e-mail that the legal defintion of discrimination may
	in fact be different.  Dunno, but this thread is clearly getting
	off track.  Rick
From: rkarlqu@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Rick Karlquist)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Foothill hamfest?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:35:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

> Is there a flea market at Foothill College (Los Altos CA) this
> Saturday?  If not, is there another one this month in the SF
> area?

> 73 DE KK6MY

> -- 

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
> Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall

No more Foothill flea markets till March 1993.

HOWEVER:  there will be a flea market/auction at Ampex Bldg. 1 in
Redwood City on Oct. 10.  The times are something like 8:00 for the
flea market and 9:00 for the auction.

Rick N6RK
From: dube@cpdvax.CSc.ti.COM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: High Gain Ant for mobile
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:52:15 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

Brad NP4AI writes:
>You might want to look into either the Comet or Diamond mobile antennas.
They're a bit pricey, but they have Gobs-o-gain...

Well, how much gain is "Gobs-o-gain"?  Is it more than my Decibel Products
5/8 wave roof-mounted vertical?   More than a dipole in free-space? :)

73,
Dube        AB5AP              <dube@cpdvax.csc.ti.com>
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Barry Electronics in NYC et al...
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:38:57 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<1992Oct12.134903.5586@sbcs.sunysb.edu> <=lzz+cq@rpi.edu>
<1992Oct13.123344.16596@sbcs.sunysb.edu> <Bw45Io.n34@world.std.com>
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

In article <Bw45Io.n34@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller)
writes:
>rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer) writes:
>
>>In article <=lzz+cq@rpi.edu> night@acm.rpi.edu writes:
>>>In <1992Oct12.134903.5586@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard
Spanbauer) writes:
>>>This isn't discrimination.  Age, sex, ethnicity are things a person can't
>>>change.  That's why decisions based on those factors are called
discrimination.
>>>Smoking is something a person can control.  It falls in a similar category
>>>to the person's attitude towards his customers.
>
>>      discrimination: to act on the basis of prejudice
>
>Come on Rick, was this the *first* definition in your dictionary?  In
>mine it's the third.  The first is "the act of discriminating."  The
>first under "discriminate" is "to make a clear distinction."  I, for one,
>certainly *do* discriminate amongst vendors on the basis of who smokes
>and who doesn't, and I don't feel evil about it.  I am merely a
>discriminating consumer.
>-- 
>Stevens R. Miller, J.D.                Electronic Frontier Foundation Member
932
>                               Republican National Committee Member 90050367
>                               Amateur Radio Station WA4LDA
Prejudice??? Of course I am prejudiced!  I want my kids to go to the best
schools, have the best opportunities, etc.  I want to get the best job
situation for me and the best housing for my family.  I want to have the
chance to live as long as possible, and shortening my life through first
or second hand smoke is my choice! I quit going to a particular gas station 
because the cashiers always smoked and I walked out smelling like smoke.
Prejudice has nothing to do with right or wrong, does it?  I thought it
was about choices, not about the underlying assumption that making a
choice for yourself is wrong.
Mr. Miller is right on target!  Thanks!
Tom
WB4IUX

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