From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Presidential debates #2
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:42:02 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <ISBELL.92Oct15230523@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>Bush:
>	very presidential
>	relaxed.  Shouldn't have looked at his watch so much.
>	He fucked up--and I use those words quite on purpose--on one
>		question:  "how has this bad economy affected you?"
>		While I'm sure he's a nice guy, I think he left the
>		impression that he couldn't quite connect with the
>		personal pain (he also faced a hostile questioner on
>		this I think).  He did the worst on this.... even
>		Billionare Perot gave the impression that he
>		understood the concept of pain even if he couldn't
>		honestly say he had felt any the last four years.

I don't think Bush fucked up at all.  That's the way its been played,  
but think of the actual questions.  The question didn't make sense:
"How has the debt (or deficit?) affected you?".  It hasn't affected
*anyone* yet.  Bush, somewhat astutely, pointed that out by saying that
it will affect his grandchildren.  (So did Perot.)  Clinton modified the
question to be "How has the recession affected you?".  Of course, it
didn't affect him either.  But he managed to concoct some homey story 
about some couple he met on his travels around the country.

>
>Clinton:
>	very presidential
>	relaxed.
>	On every single question, he said "Let me give you five (or 2
>		or 3 or 4) quick answers/solutions/points."  I can't
>		wait to see if this is seen as Wooden and
>		Rehearsed(tm) or as Specific(tm).
>		I think he managed to actually pull it off as
>		Specific(tm) this time.
>	Oh, and he managed to go last almost all the time.  Tactically
>		brillant.
>
>


Well, he was obviously very well rehearsed.  But to his credit, he didn't
come of as slick or smarmy like he and Gore did in earlier debates.

Don't get me wrong, the thing with enumerating your points to make them 
seem like !Real Solutions! is pretty slick.  However, I don't think
many people will see it this way


>I admit it.  I was happy with the debate format.  I can't even think
>of any real soundbites....

You must not've listened to Perot!

Actually, I heard the exact same answers from all three candidates 
today as  I heard in the first debate.  It seemed to me that it was
merely a second chance at presentation.  Perot lost 'cause he sounded
the same.  Bush won mildly because he was solid.  Clinton won more 
because he knew the moves to make wrt/ the audience and the stage.

>--
>Peace.
>               "'Sex without love is an empty experience.'
>                'Yes, but as empty experiences go, it's one of the best.'
>                             - Diane Keaton and Woody Allen
>                                   -\--/-
>    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
>          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
>                                   -/--\-


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