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From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Crew Eccentricities
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug21.020040.354@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, updike@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes...
> 
>Another interesting thought I had, being a *PRIME* candidate myself for
>all those ROGAINE commercials, is, why is Picard and other 
>people in the future (I mean what the hell is it, 3 centuries ahead
>of us or something ?) still bald ?  My God, they must have a "cure"
>for baldness  by then !!  But then I thought about it further, and I 
>figured, even if they did have a cure within say 10 years from now,
>there is plenty of time such that I'm sure it would actually become
>trendy again to "go natural" and be bald, so maybe that's why.
>(Jeez, do you think I'm trying to somehow rationalize this to feel
>better about myself ???? )

i know you know he is but a 20th century man, but seriously, could you see 
patrick stewart in a toupee? 

nuh-uh man! 

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From: jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT)
Subject: Re: Picard's mistake
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:00:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.180225.9441@ncsu.edu> rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD TODD WALL) writes:
>
>	I agree with you Jeffery.  I wish a lot of these unresolved things
>in Picard's past would finally get resolved.  However, in ST-TOS these wasn't
>much of a policy to explore Kirk's past either.
>
Actually my full name is Eric Jeffery, but don't worry about 
it, it happens all the time, especially the way the machine posts my name.
Anyway, I see you point about Kirk, maybe they are leaving Picards past open
for the movies.  Naw, that is too wierd, but I bet they are leaving it open
along with all the other little quiet plots (Guinan, the death of Wesly's fatherand all the others) just to keep us watching and waiting.  It is frustrating
as a viewer, but you have to admit it is kind of funny to watch us all squirm
and grasp for plausible explanations.

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From: dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Stephen Dowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:45:11 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

I read in Broadcasting magazine that the "Commander" or "Governor," what have
you, of Deep Space Nine will likely be played by an African-American actor. 
And I know the Security Officer will be a polymorph, using sfx similar to
"Terminator 2"
 
stephen dowling jr
dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org
From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Vulcans in TNG
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:27:18 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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DFE100@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
>Mark Runyan writes:
>>Indications from novels and from conversations in TOS indicated that Vulcans
>>were not necessarily interested in being members of Star Fleet, ...
>And another thing...I don't want to get into a canon debate here, Mark, but ...
>it seems kinda questionable to use the novels as 'proof' of anything

Well, OK, but I do seem to remember some TOS discussions about how
Spock's father (who was supposedly quite logical at the time) thought
that Star Fleet was a poor choice for Spock.  The inference is that other
``logical'' Vulcans would have avoided Star Fleet as well.  The novels
merely, um, add, um, depth to that conversation... :-)

Mark Runyan
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Subject: Re: Who Might Play Sisco?
From: cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:11:19 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <4898@sumax.seattleu.edu>, hirayama@sumax.seattleu.edu (Pat Hirayama) writes:
> At CreationCon last weekend in Seattle, the clues they were handing
> out were:
> 
> 	1.  the character will be played by a male, bald African-
> 	    American actor.  It was implied that he has been on
> 	    one other tv show and was successful in it.
> 
> 	2.  It is not Louis Gossett, Jr.  


Here's a guess -- remember "Spenser: for Hire?"  The actor who played Hawk was
black, bald and very talented.  Wish I could remember his name.

Before the "bald" clue was revealed, I would have said Paul Winfield, from Star
Trek II and "Darmok."


Chris
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From: Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "The Outcast": a missed opportunity
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:55:37 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

`The Outcast' was a major disappointment in many ways, not the least of which
was that all but one of the supposed androgynes looked approximately female,
and not androgynous at all. Grumble.

...laura
From: awesome@tradent.wimsey.bc.ca (Travis Leippi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premier
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:10:20 PDT
Organization: TradeNET International Trade Corp.

Edwardl@freddyk.uucp (Ed Langenback) writes:

> does anyone know when the season premier of ST:TNG will air?
>  
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As far as I know September 26, 1992 will be the uplink date.
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From: bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K Dalmia)
Subject: a little controversy on the episode: the perfect mate
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:48:42 GMT

my friend and i had this little argument after watching the episode 'the
perfect mate' last weekend. my friend says that capt. picard slept with
the metamorph, camalla and i say that he didn't. he (my friend) says
that it was implied when picard just smiles when the old guy asks him
'how did you resist the temptation?' and i say that the silent smile
just indicated the mysterious nature of picard.

anyone care to clear this up?? there's a six-pack riding on it!

bip


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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Smithsonian Exhibit Extended by Popular Demand!
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:09:50 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <Bt7LBv.CMA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lbarnes@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Laura L. Barnes) writes:
>the exhibit, there was a LONG line of people waiting to get in.  BTW, I hear 
>that the exhibit ends at the beginning of September, so if you're going to go,
>go now!

Actually, Smithsonian Magazine reports that the run of the exhibit has
been extended to the end of January.

-- 
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: trekies
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:40:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.3208.9656@dosgate> "joe markovic" <joe.markovic@canrem.com> writes:

>Here's my definition,

>TREKKIES {trek-ies} : the larval form of a TREKKER, normally this is a
>                      very short phase in the life cycle, however some
>                      exceptions have been noted, as evidenced by
>                      continued displays of immature behaviour.

>TREKKERS {trek-ers} : the mature form of a Trek fan.


I thought that we had this discussion a couple of weeks ago, at which I
time I reminded you all of Nimoy's quotes during a recent con appearance.
He was asked by a fan if he was a Trekker, to which he replied that he
shuddered at the word, which he considered pedestrian and passe.  He
much preferred the new, more sophisticated term "treknophantalist" which
conveys a much greater sense of authority and dignity with it than the
derogatory "Trekker".

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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cause & Effect (*SPOILERS*) possible explaination
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:37:37 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <whelan.713575701@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu>, whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (John T. whelan) writes:
|> 
|> smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:
|> 
|> >The spacial effect has NOTHING to do with the time loop.  The time loop
|> >is only present because the Enterprise releases plasma, and it blows up.
|> 
|> 	Well, I like to think that the fact that the E blew up near a
|> spacetime anomoly (aka "the spacial effect) had something to do with
|> the loop forming.  After all, no loop was formed when the YAMATO blew
|> up in "Contagion".

   How do you know? That was the twist with the E's time loop - they
took a long time figuring out what happened and why they all had
deja vu. Maybe *every time* a ship blows up a time loop is created!
Totally unlikely, but these loops are by nature elusive.

|> 					John Whelan

-- Tim
From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Data's Brain again (was Re: The watch in Time's arrow)
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:07:04 GMT
 <1992Aug13.205133.20603@ra.msstate.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug13.205133.20603@ra.msstate.edu>, paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
says:
>
>In article <6154@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
>writes:

[ Stuff about the watch engraving deleted... ]
>>
> stuff deleted ..
>
>> Perhaps Twain helped Data in removing his head in
>>the cave and left his watch there as a clue for the future Enterprise crew
>>who would find it later.  Hmmmm.......
>>--
>>judson@watserv.ucr.edu
>
>That is a good thought!  I'm going to have to go back and rewatch my tape
>of the episode.  I can see it now, Data and Samuel Clemens become good
>friends,
>Data somehow gets beheaded, Picard brings Data's body back, and Bev.
>reconnects him.  S. Clemens, having learned from Data what transpired in
>the future left Data's head in the cave, and as a momento, left his watch
>for Data.  Hmmm...... it seems like that would violate some time law or
>something, having two Data's heads in the same place, but only one attached.
>But then again, that is not my forte so I don't know.  But it does bring
>up a question, why did they not just hook up Data's head to Data's head
>( follow that? ) and download what happened?  Besides the obvious ( they
>need a storyline) that is.

According to Data's analysis of "his" head at the beginning of the episode,
the five centuries the head had been buried resulted in the deterioration
of almost half the neural pathways.  As a result, the head was useless as
a computer, or for anything except a paperweight :-)  That's probably also
why they didn't use the circuitry from it to do the "phasing," but instead
needed Data to do it himself.

                                             -- Mike Kelsey

[  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
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What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Cause & Effect (*SPOILERS*) possible explaination
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:53:59 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

bringman@rtsg.mot.com (Bill Bringman) writes:
>I'm sure I missed when this question was asked, but

>> whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (John T. whelan) writes:
>>	Well, I like to think that the fact that the E blew up near a
>>spacetime anomoly (aka "the spacial effect) had something to do with
>>the loop forming.
>The question I have is how did the other ship get in the loop?
>If the loop included the big E crashing with it, and was finally broken by
>avoiding the crash, what kept the other ship waiting in the loop
>for 80 years?  ...

It isn't answered in the episode, so I'll just rationalizer...  :-)

It seems to me that we have been told that wormholes can cause time as
well as space displacement.  Also, Star Trek (both TOS and TNG) would
have you believe that the space/time continuum isn't necessarily 
complete (from "The Tholian Web" we get weak space, from TNG we find
void pockets ("The Outcast"), floating subspace holes ("In Theory"),
and Tycho Rifts ("Night Terrors"), so it shouldn't surprise us that
the other (older and less agile) fell into a wormhole.  The rest of
the episode was because "the E blew up near a spacetime anomoly"... IMHO.

Mark Runyan {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premiere-- Geordi Dies!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:59:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug19.215949.1047
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <cole.714215670@lea> cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:

>jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes:
>
>>I just recently found out from a reliable source that Geordi will be killed
>>in the premiere in an attempt to save Data's life.  LeVar Burton wished to
>>leave and the writers thought it would be a good way to send him off  It will
>>give Data more of an appreciation as to what friendship really is.
>
>This is the main reason that Scotty is being introduced into TNG.  The
>chief engineer is an important role and rather than take time to develop
>a new character, the producers felt it a good idea to use a characte
>already well known to the audience.  Colm Meaney (the transporter chief)
>was considered as a replacement, but as he is signed on for DS9, the
>decision to use Scotty was made.




Please state your "source" for this info.....Until I see it, I don't
believe a word.


Dave
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:25:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug17.214756.13901@cco.caltech.edu> alex@rigg.ipac.caltech.edu (Alex Werner) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.185154.3470@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> bates@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Bates) writes:
>>    Minuet.  Hands down.
>>    No, sorry, make that the woman from 'The Perfect Mate',
>> instead.  Minuet's a close second.

>I disagree... the hottest is Robin Lefler, Wesley's girlfriend from 
>"The Game". Also Dr. Lea Braums...

What, no Ro Larren?

(Okay, I have a thing for non-telepathic brunettes with a brain. Sue me. :)

Joshua
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why Klingons lose?
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:04:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <92233.224848KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug21.024748.25883@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, mac7@po.CWRU.Edu
> (Michael A. Chary) says:
> >
> >The main reason Klingons lose is their slogan:  "It is a good day to die!"
> >Most successful warrior races have as their slogan:
> >"It is a good day for my opponent to die, preferably quickly and with
> >a minimum of fuss ahnd effort on my part."
> >That's my feeling anyway.
> 
> Ah, yes, the George S. Patton philosophy of war:  "You're not out there to
> die for your country.  You're out there to make the other poor dumb bastard
> die for HIS country."  The most reasonable job description for a soldier
> I've ever heard -- being one, I DON'T mean this sarcastically.

This reminds me of a war comic I read as a kid (back when I thought war
was a neat-o kind of adventure). It was a WWII Pacific setting with
an American and a Japanese trapped on the hull of a submarine which
is submerging. The Japanese, of course, accepts his fate while the
American struggles and eventually (of course) escapes. The Japanese
tells the American, "We will win, because we are not afraid to die."
After it's all over and the American is back with his buddies he
tells them about this and then says, "He was wrong. We will win,
because we're not afraid to live."  Kind of jingoistic but there's
a point there.

Richard
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From: lars@uni-paderborn.de (Lars Heinemann)
Subject: stardate
Keywords: stardate
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:57:14 GMT

Hello!

Does anyone know if there is a method to calculate the stardate 
from present date?

Greetings, Lars


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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Measure of a Man
Date: 16 Aug 92 11:33:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug14.051252.19194@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:

>Something that bugs me about that.  In "Redemption II," Data states that he's
>been in Starfleet for 27 years.  Now Maddox didn't look older than 35, so 
>Maddox was a member of this board screening applicants even before he 
>hit double digits?  Looks like somebody wasn't doing their homework in
>"RII," cause that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  Hmmmm.....

Is it possible that Data was in SF before he joined the Academy?

Enlisted Man?
Professor?
Garbage collector? :-)


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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:42:10 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: OFFICIAL INFORMATION - SEASON 6 AND DS9 !SPOILERS*!


This time, spoiler protection that works :-)
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Whew!

Anyway...

     So, Scotty being held in transit is "in the can". Bleah. Somebody needs a
kick to the head. I *hope* they at least had the sense to stick in a couple
throw-away lines with Geordi being amazed at the length of suspension. Maybe
if Scotty was designing a new model transporter and decided to test it himself,
and after his loss this "radical new design" was discarded.

     Nah, that doesn't make sense. Why maintain power to the pattern buffer
then? Just give him a decent funeral and pull the plug.

     Unless, as the poster about the USA article said, it is aboard a ship, and
Scotty was trying to evacuate and had to jury-rig something that didn't quite
work?

     Ugh. This defies rationalization. Get out the YATI stamp. Forgivable if
it's a good episode (a la "Darmok" and the phaser-from-the-torp-tube).
     About the Troi aging episode - we already had a TNG version of "The
Deadly Years" with Pulaski. Why do we need another with Troi? The bit with her
dying sounds interesting though. Somebody at paramount read "Imzadi" or
something? :-)

                                                   -Robb Timlin
                                                    rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The Measure of a Man
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:18:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>First, I realize that this isn't current, but this episode was shown again
>here in Atlanta last week, and I had a question about it.

No problem, but that *is* why I'm moving it over to r.a.s.misc and 
encourage everyone else to do the same.  That's one of the things .misc
is for, after all...

>The entire trial was conducted to determine whether or not Data is
>the property of Star Fleet, and therefore, if he had the right to
>resign his commision.

>I don't understand where Star Fleet gets the *BALLS* to even suggest that
>Data belongs to them.  Even if you went so far to determine that he
>is property, why *theirs*?  

Several reasons come to mind:

--Soong left no heirs,

--A Starfleet team found Data [salvage rights?], and

--Data currently works for (i.e. is property of, if he's not sentient)
Starfleet.  Without someone else making a *better* claim, Starfleet can
probably get away claiming to be the "obvious" choice.

>First, one of the arguements used by the Commander was "What would
>you do if the Enterprise computer refused a refit?"  But this is
>a very poor example.  

Only in some contexts.  It did bring home the question of "is Data 
Starfleet" quite well.  I've always found the question interesting in that
I don't think it's nearly as clear-cut an answer as Maddox (and most viewers,
from what I've seen) apparently thinks it is.  As far as I'm concerned, if
the computer is aware enough to realize what changes would be brought on by 
a refit and to reject them on that basis, I think the computer *would* have
the right to refuse a refit.

>Second, Data had *apply* to the academy, just like any other cadet.  It
>was even pointed out that Commander Dickhead was the only member of
>the board that screens applicants that didn't want to allow him to attend.
>Now, if he has to apply, that implies that he is not a part of Star Fleet
>by default, ie, he had to go through the same process as everyone else,
>and he should have the same rights as anyone else within Star Fleet.

This is true; however, I think the ruling of "he's property" would simply
end up invalidating that application hearing as a needless redundancy, 
since he "already" belonged to them.  Sure, it's sleazy; these are lawyers.
;-)

I must say, though, it's nice to come back to have a discussion about 
something a little more interesting than usual for the summer...

Tim Lynch
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