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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: REBUTTAL                 
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 07:04:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

John,

-> Interesting, yes the Christian Brothers order that our Brothers
-> belong to are the Edmund Rice Brothers founded, I think in Cork,
-> Ireland.
->
-> I believe that in America, the Christian Brothers are in the main the
-> de la Salle Order?

Gee, you know, I really don't know enough about it (whether our brothers
at our school are form the de la Salle order). Actually, we only have
one brother on staff right now (and for the last few years).

-> We still have three Brothers on staff, one of whom is the Principal,
-> Bro Tony White.  Last year for the first time in Queensland there
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-> were no new novices wanting to join the order.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, that's the way it is going, I guess. I don't know of any novices in
our area who have joined the brothers. We have had a few students from
our school over the last few years which have joined the Norbertines
(otherwise known as the Praemonstratention order, founded in Hungary by
St. Norbert). Somehow it's nice to see kids do that.

Sheila
coming to you from Diamond Bar, CA (in Los Angeles County)
                                                                                                                               

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From: Nancy.Freburg@p15.f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Freburg)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Folktales
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:35:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17.15 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Hi Lorna, I am a librarian in Lewistown Montana Elementary Schools (K-6) and I
am taking a telecommunications class.  We are becoming familiar with the K-12 Net conference.  I was attracted to your message to Australia concerning folktales.  If you have any sources of (or copies of) Native American Folklore, could you send them on line to Clint Loomis.  His students are working on Native American Tales in sixth grade at Lewistown, Montana.  I would also be interested in any special things that you gather over the modem regarding Australian tales or other special countries, which ofte

n are not covered in our folktale section of the library.  Sometimes inadequacies due to money.  Nice to meet you on line.


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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Daylight Savings: Other
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:05:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

G'day John, you didn't like me saying that Querensland's daylight saving
is north-south related, but it is: you get much less variation between
winter days and summer days than we do, and so this is ALSO a factor.

JF>Not altogether true Peter. It is true however, that Queensland is further
JF>West than New South Wales. North Queensland is even further West of
JF>Brisbane.
If you read the rest of my message, where I talk about Perth, you'll see
that I covered that side of things as well.  But methinks you push the
case a little hard: after all, Gladstone is _exactly_ due north of where
I am sitting now, in eastern NSW.  And  Broken Hill is west of Winton
(which is why they use South Australian time in Broken Hill!).  Hmmm -
there's an idea: don't bother to secede, just start using NT time <g>.

peter




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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: national computer standards
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:24:37 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <14 Nov 92  15:23:21> to <David Webb> about <RE: national computer standards>,
Gary Cressman wrote:

 GC> I read your message about computer literacy standards. I am going to
 GC> be teaching a computer class to in a Master's Degree program and plan
 GC> to use  this as one of the topics. Have you had any responses to your
 GC> request, and if so, would you be willing to share these results?  I
 <text deleted>

Gary,
I forwarded your original message to the Computer Literacy Area.
Should you generate any ideas about computer literacy during the process of
the Master's Degree program, your comments would be most welcome in the
Computer Literacy Echo!

Thanks,
Steve Larson  (K12net Zone 1 Computer Literacy Moderator)


... I'm not really old, I'm "youthfully disadvantaged."

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From: Carol.Rundberg@f110.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Rundberg)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Sad News.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 00:43:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/110 - Physics Forum, Amherst MA

Dear John Feltham,
      It is very sad to hear of the death of your fine and well-loved student Frank d'llario.  Along with the courage he displayed, it seems your school community, its students and faculty, have shown much caring and thoughtfulness toward him.  It seems like everyone will take some lessons from the humane response to Frank's illness.  I shall, too.
       Sincerely, Carol Rundberg


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From: Larry.Kravitz@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Kravitz)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Adopt-a-River
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:10:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hi Helen, I am aware of the procedure and any input you can give would be very helpful. The actual start will be in April either b4 or after school vacation. Cal Carpenter will be in charge of all computer work and therefor will be our point person on the project. He said he will be talking with you in the near future.... Let us know if you have any further questions about the project????? CU Later  Larry K.


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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Sad News.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:12:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In a message of <12 Nov 92  20:32:44>, John Feltham (3:640/706) writes:

 JF>It is with sadness, tinged with joy, that we announce that Frank died 
 JF>last
 JF>night in Brisbane. The joy comes from knowing a young man such as 
 JF>Frank. I
 JF>would have been pleased to have had him for a son. Joy also,from 
 JF>knowing
 JF>that he is now free from the pain.
 JF>
We all share your sadness.  I am sure your school and classes have learned a  
lot from knowing this young person. 



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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Global Environment Watch
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:56:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

I think we could give this a shot at a channel for a while.  Channels are  
supposed to be short term with extensions if the project is sucessful and a  
new project doesn't need the area.  

What exact initial time period do you want?  You would be the moderator.

I would also suggest not posting the same message 6-8 times to different  
people. 



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From: John.Mclaughlin@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (John Mclaughlin)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: INTER ED
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:07:34 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

HI Carol.  Inter Ed is anew project at our school.  We are a group of three 
teachers working together with a clas of 60 students.  The students are a mix 
of Grades 7, 8 and 9, with a wide range of abilities.  We occup a double 
classroom and od a lot of cooperative activites.  The premise is that 
students learn at their own rates, and that given time and freedom, they will 
master all of the require doutcomes.  Our classroomm is more noisy and active 
than most, as students are working on different things at on time. For 
example, in math one student might be working on an Intgers unit while 
another might be doing measurement.  We don't do very much traditional 
teaching (i.e. standing up in the front of the classroom and explaining 
concepts).  The students sign contracts to help each other and to receive 
help.  We give small group seminars as the need arises.  We have found it to 
be a very good approach to take with this number of students.  The kids enjoy 
the freedom and most  have flourished in this setting.  We have ost three 
students who felt they would function better in a normal classroom, but there 
is no lack of others who want to get in.

We organize ourselves on a thematic basis.  Our first theme was The 
Environment and we tried to integarate as much as possible so that science, 
social studeies and language arts are all combined.  It's sort of confusing 
until you see it in action, but basically it is a pretty simpmle model.  Our 
secondn theme was CANADA and we are trying to do the same type of thing.  

Our Humanities section is largely a process oriented writing and reading 
workshop.  We are struggling with the fine arts seciont of Humanities, but 
this is only because of a lack of time.   Next year we will hopefully have a 
fourth teacher with an extra 30 or so students and I will then be able to do 
more art and music with the students.

I am so happy to be a part of this project.  I am now doing everything that 
I hoped I would be allowed to do when I took my teacher training.  I know 
this might sound confusing.  It might be easier if I just6 answer your 
questions about the program rather than try to explain it all to you.

|Hope to hear from you again.  (My computer is acting very lethargic this 
morning so it is a real drag correcting mistakes.  H Hope you don't mind.)

John  

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From: Edward.Dunagin@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Dunagin)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Music teachers
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:11:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

Hi Diane, you said in part.....................

DC>  In the meantime though, I was wondering if you were in contact with any mu
DC>  teachers in your part of the country?  I am a music teacher and would love
DC>  find some information about Folk Music from your part of the world.

DC>  Let me know if you can put me in contact with any music teachers.

     I thought I would let you know about a college student that uses
     our system. His name is Chris Paulus and he monitors the Netmail
     and High School Chat areas on our BBS. Chris is majoring in music
     and hopes to become a music teacher. He has been blind since birth
     and loves to play the piano. He does not have access to this
     conference but you can contact him by Netmail at this address
     1:226/540 or in the K12 public H/S chat area.

     BTW, Chris is located in Baltimore Maryland (USA) and not here in
     Columbus Ohio. He calls here long distance because we extend to him
     Netmail privliges.

Peace.......................................Ed

 * SLMR 2.1a #1852 * IneedsignificantlymoreroominthislineforwhatI*really*want



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From: Joan.Zeedyk@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Joan Zeedyk)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: program trouble
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:55:48 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

Theron, Char came in and we looked at the program together.  It was just
a case of some of the programs being locked.  Thanks, Joan


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From: Roger.Buck@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Roger Buck)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: EXPERIMENT.....
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 10:27:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

# All readers: please advise your sysop that the following message was posted
# in the K12_SYSOP message area so that we may carry this experiment in Decembe
# with all the Sysop help we can get. Thank You.
*
# Just in case you missed this one!  No need to acknowledge, but it might
# be fun to try.  BTW, I've been naughty and used high stuff in the past:
# has it flashed back at you?
#                            peter
##[PM=>RB]

Thanks for that Peter.

You are free not only to use "high bit"  but also the full
IBM and/or Ansi graphics features and  full colour in any of
your messages!  Ofd course some of the International folk
don't like this as they are using Unix boxes and similar
life forms that cannot handle such stuff - it can crash
them!

So, wherever a conference is sent into one of these systems,
we automatically strip the stuff out of the message before it
is sent. That way, those that want, get - and if the Lord
had meant us to stick to lower ASCII we would have all been
born with Unix boxes <G>.

[m[2J
          [32m######### ### ###[m
       [33m###### [32m### #########[m                 [30;44m###[m  [30;4
      [33m###########[32m# #######[33m#########[m          [30;44m##[m  
       [33m############[1;37m#[0;33m##[1;37m### [0;33m###########[m      
        [33m#########[1;37m#~#[0;33m##[1;37m#[0;33m### [46m [30m##[m [
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       [33m####### [m#########     [30;46m#  #[33;40m######[m        [30;
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From: Laurel.Heath@f333.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Laurel Heath)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: CRIME
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:38:11 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:280/333 - Sound Advice BBS, Gladstone MO

HELP!    We are Kansas City Teachers that need YOUR INFO to take a
survey.    PLEASE RESPOND!
How are teachers being affected by crime in the schools?
Have you been threaten by students?
Have you been threaten by parents?
What was the outcome?
How has this affected your classroom management?
              ********* THANK YOU**********

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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:11:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

SL> PM> Incidentally, there are some of us who maintain that Charley Jug-ears
SL> PM> can never be Charles III: that king died in 1788, just five days after
SL> PM> Australia was founded.
SL>Was he walled up in a wine cellar?  :-)

You've got me there, sport!  The nearest I can come up with was Clarence
who ended his days in a butt of Malmsey, or Charles Edward Stuart's dad,
supposed to have spent some time in a warming pan.  What's the
reference, or is it just BPC's drinking problems in his later days?
Blame it on the fact that I'm on holidays and doing some building in
preparation for summer: hehehe, I'm sitting here in bare feet with the
window open.

peter

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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: COOPERATIVE LEARNING     
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 10:29:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

Melanie,

In a message to Gary Cressman, you said:

-> I have had one response on CL from a woman in El Paso by the name of
-> Carol Hooper.  She seems to know quite a bit of information about the
-> topic.

Did you not receive the message I sent in response to your request for
help on CL? Not that mine was as detailed as Carol's. I only mentioned a
couple of specific activities that I had done with my high school
geometry classes. I didn't know what you exactly wanted from your
request (it was a little vague). Anyway, if you didn't get that message
and would like me to resend it, let me know...

Sheila
coming to you from Diamond Bar, CA (in Los Angeles County)
                                                                                                  

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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: GERMAN EXPERIMENT        
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:49:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

->       Yes it would be for December 4th. It needs not to be very long,
-> just
-> one that contains most of the special german letters; it could even
-> be only a list of special german letters if this is easier on you.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, I guess I'd only get a "C" on that homework assignment then! <g>

Sheila
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From: George.Collins@p0.f0.n324.z1.fidonet.org (George Collins)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: INTER ED
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:21:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:324/0.0 - MassNet NE, Lowell MA

Your program sounds great! I bet you must get a lot of criticism. How do you handle it? How did you start. I'd love to get something like this going ion in Rhode Island. Aall in one classroom right?



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From: Don.Moore@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Don Moore)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: COMMUNICATIONS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:53:53 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Dear Carol
        I just found the message from 3 of my students. Sorry about that.
        Don Moore

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From: Gary.Cressman@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Cressman)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: distance learning
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 15:24:36 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Dear Andree,

I read you message about distance learning.  I am going to be teaching a computer class to in a Master's Degree program and plan to use this as one of the topics. Have you had any responses to your request, and if so,  would you be willing to share these results?

Thank you,
Gary Cressman


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From: Don.Moore@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Don Moore)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: COMMUNICATION
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:48:10 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Dear Carol,
        I'm not sure wht you aare referring to in your message so please let 
me know which one(s) of my students is (are) using the teacher chat section. 
Thank you.
        Don Moore

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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:31:54 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Peter,

Tuesday November 17 1992 22:11, Peter Macinnis wrote to Steve Larson:

 > : hehehe, I'm sitting here in bare feet with the window open.

So what? Doesn't everyone? :-)

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From: Sharon.Napshin@p0.f126.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Sharon Napshin)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: COOPERATIVE LRNG.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:10:52 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/126.0 - Global Vision, Sarasota FL

What kind of information are you looking for?  There are lots of resources that I could cite and also give you a phone number in Florida/Tampa, that might help.  Get back to me and let me know what you are looking for on a more specific level.  Glad to help!



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From: Phil.Spooner@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Phil Spooner)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: State Report
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 09:03:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

Dear Carol:
 
Hi! We are from Gaston Elementary School, in Gaston, Ore. We are 5th 
graders in Mrs. Markus' class.  We are working on a state report. 
 Would you like to answer some questions about your state?
 
If you could respond on the K-12 Net Elementary Chat that might be 
better.  We searched through several echos to find a person from Texas!
 
What is your favorite season of the year?
 
What is it like in your state during that season?
 
What kind of things do you like to do in that season?
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Alisha Garcia, Gabriel Sosa, Katie Martinez



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From: Robin.Bain@p5.f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (Robin Bain)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Daylight Savings: Other countries?????
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 07:51:22 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505.5 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 > What does kia ora mean?  (Educated guess:  goodbye.)
 > How do you pronounce it?
 > Thanks!
 > Julie
Ka pai Julie (Well done Julie) Kia ora is Maori and is a statement of approbation- basically- 'thanks'.
I wonder what else we do that is opposite.
Tell me- which direction does the water go down your plughole?
Kia ora


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