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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Grainy B&W film?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:23:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.055420.624@polari>, bullis@polari.online.com writes:
> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
...
> I found truly interesting, along with their best paper.  I still have a roll
> of Royal X Pan in the freezer.
> 

I have 2 rolls of Ektachrome Infrared AERO 8443 IE135, and a roll of INFRARED
( IR135 ) in my pocket. Any one got a data sheet for the IR? Or a E-6 mod
for E-3 films?

~Paul
From: badboy@netcom.com (Jay Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Ektar 25 vs. Gold 100
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:20:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep3.191028.12497@bernina.ethz.ch> stettbac@isibee14 
(Juerg Stettbacher) writes:

>Can anyone tell me about the difference between the films
>
>  - Ektar 25 and
>  - Gold 100 (or similar).

I shoot lots of Ektar 25.  The most obvious difference is that it's 2 stops
slower, so plan on carrying a tripod or a flash in most situations.
 
Kodak says (and I believe) that Ektar 25 is the world's sharpest color print
film.  To take advantage of this extreme sharpness also requires a tripod
as well as sharp lenses.  Once this combination is assembled (stable tripod,
sharp lens, and Ektar 25), the prints you get will almost jump off the paper! 
Some say that you need big enlargements to appreciate the difference that
Ektar 25's fine grain makes, but I don't agree at all.  I can always spot the
occasional roll of Gold 100 by the lack of "snap" that I am  accustomed to
from the Ektar 25.  Of course big enlargements really show up the difference
in grain size.  8x10 and 11x14 prints are still grainless.

There are contrast and color-balance differences as well, which are mainly
a matter of taste, IMHO.  But the sharpness is what I love.

A good flash will make it possible to do without the tripod in many situations,
but my advice is if you want to shoot Ektar (or any 25 speed film) always carry
a tripod.

Of course there are many situations where slow film just doesn't cut it, but
in the right circumstances Ektar 25 is wonderful.

Regards,

Jay Keller
Santa Clara, California
 
badboy@netcom.com
From: bjs@uts.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Masking glass negative carrier
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:30:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Michael C. Adler)writes:

>
>Does anyone have any clever ideas for masking a 6x9 cm (AN) glass
>negative carrier down to smaller sizes?  Beseler, in its infinite
>wisdom, chooses not to ship their carriers with anything so useful.
>
>Black photographic masking tape seems an obvious solution but that
>would, most likely, permanently degrade the masked glass so I would
>never be able to use a larger format.  I've considered cutting a
>piece of mat board and taping it to the underside.
>

I use a 4x5 glass-type carrier.  I just got some black construction
paper (like the use in elementary school for "craft projects" and
cut the correct sized hole in the middle.  I used drafting tape
(low tack - it removes without damaging the paper that its sticking
to) to attach it.

Barry

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From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: Cambridge CNBC Comsumer Affairs
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:57:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

From article <1992Aug25.205018.867@craycos.com>, by sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi):
> In article <1992Aug25.171222.21799@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
>>While flicking through the cable TV channels last night I spotted a picture
>>of a Canon Rebel on CNBC (Consumer News and Business?). It turned out to be
>>a consumer affairs type show in which a viewer writes in with some item which
>>they have a local price for, and the "reporter" finds a better deal on that
>>item. Well, guess who they found for the Canon Rebel. Non other than our
>>favorite mail order store - Cambridge Camera. Makes you wonder, doesn't it.
>>
> 
> God! Maybe we should write them a letter...

Well, they said the lowest price, they certainly did not guarrantee that
the goods will arrive, nor did they say you will not be overcharged...

Of course, they also have another section in the show whereby they try
to get your money back from scumballs like our friend in NYC, so even 
if you get the "normal" deal from Cambridge, (no need to worry), you can
simply write to the latter section of the show!
From: al196521@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Juan Carlos Guerra Escamilla)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Eos 10s info wanted
Summary: info for canon Eos 10s
Keywords: Eos 10s
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:55:01 GMT

hello all!

this is my first contribution to the list i would like to know if any of you can send either to the list or my own acount some info about the canon Eos 10s.

i'm planning to buy a brand new camera and an option is the canon Eos 10s

Thanks in advise
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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,alt.cd-rom,gnu.misc.discuss,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Time to boycott Photo CD
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:33:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Aug27.233351.8373
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Aug27.135253.11191@homebase.vistachrome.com> andy@homebase.vistachrome.com writes:
>ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>>Kodak wants to tie up the file formats under lock and key.  You can't
>>write a program to open their files.  You can't even write a program
>>which generates their files.  Don't expect to ever see interfaces
>
>Where did you hear this?  Any CD-ROM player can access the first 
>session on a CD.  Some CD-ROM players can access the second through Nth
>photo sessions and some will need a PROM upgrade.

You are correct in your first sentence, but I don't believe that there are
any multi-session players out there yet, although they are "almost" ready
to ship.....I'm not so sure that it will just be a matter of a ROM upgrade
to turn a sigle session player into a multi-session player either.

Gary

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From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: What lens to get for EOS Elan?
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:54:20 GMT
Organization: ISC - Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA

In article <BtyEwG.JwB@acsu.buffalo.edu> tklai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Tobysze K. Lai) writes:
>I think if you are gonna spend $175 on the EF 28-70/3.5-4.5 II, you will get
>a better deal from the Tokina AF 28-70 SD instead.  This lens has the
>"Super-Low Dispersion" glass, made by Tokina, in its lens barrel.

On the other hand, this Canon lens has an aspherical element in it,
which means it works pretty well wide-open.  I used to have one and it
always worked well for me.

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From: johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
Subject: Re: Advise on telephoto zoom lenses
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.213657.29192@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, yz@broca.acc.virginia.edu  writes:
>In article <BtnsL4.I5B@acsu.buffalo.edu> tklai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Tobysze K.  
>Lai) writes:
>> Hello there,
>> 
>> 	I am looking for a mid-price telephoto zoom lens for my Canon EOS
>> camera.  There are few choices in my mind now:
>> 
>> 	Canon EF 75-300 f/4-5.6
>> 	Sigma AF 70-210 f/4-5.6 APO
>> 	Sigma AF 75-300 f/4-5.6 DL
>> 
>> 	The main thing I am concerned with is the quality of the lens, and
>> I am not really care about the focusing speed of the lens, although I know
>> that the focusing speed of the non Canon-made lens won't be as fast as the 
>> one made by Canon.  Does anybody own or has any experience with any of the
>> above lens?  Thanks in advance for any advise or comments!
>Popular Photography did test on all of the lens you mentioned. 
>The Sigma 75-300  
>did considerably better than the Canon lens. I own a Sigma AF 75-300 DL 
>for my 10S.

I'm pretty sure you are thinking of the review of the 75-300 APO
a few months ago. It they gave it very good numbers and a good
writeup.  I own the 75-300 APO and I'm very happy with it. Even at
300mm and wide open, 8x10's are pretty decent. I'd stick to less
than 300mm and stopped half way for very critical work...probably
good advice for any zoom lens.

			-John Kalucki
			johnk@gordian.com
From: russell@Apple.COM (Russell Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Fuji Slide Film or Pushing Kodachrome
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:59:13 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

After reading some raves about the new Ektachrome 400 emulsions, I
shot some tests comparing Fujichrome 400, Ektachrome 400HC and
Ektachrome 400X. The two Ektachromes were definitely improved over
their predecessors in both grain and color rendition. The grain
was slightly finer than the Fuji. Colors were slightly cooler and
less saturated, with more subtle gradations. I slightly preferred the 
colors of the E400HC to E400X, but decided to continue with the Fuji 
because it better matches the color balance of Velvia, which is my main
film.  

I've found that Velvia and Fujichrome 400 don't look too bad when
intermixed in a show. Kodachrome 200 or Ektachrome 400 jump out as 
very different looking. I once used Velvia, Fuji 400, and K200 for a
shoot (running low on film); one viewer asked if the K200 slides were
taken in a different location because they looked so different.
-- 
Russell Williams
Not speaking for Apple Computer
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Looking for low cost flash for Elan
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:26:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Aug28.162659.236
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <BtnD1t.Dt7@news.larc.nasa.gov> txn@sirius.larc.nasa.gov (Troung Nguyen) writes:
>I am looking for a flash for my Elan.  Any recommendation 
>on any flash that would be fully compatible with the Elan 
>is appreciated. I don't want to spend over $150 for a flash, 
>but I would if it's worth it.  The Canon 300EZ's guide number 
>is not a whole lot better than the built-in, and the 430EZ 
>costs a little too much.

For a GREAT flash it doesn't cost all that much.....:-)

>A local dealer recommended a Sunpak 433AF (labeled "for Canon
>650-43C" on the box) or a Vivitar 636AF(the only 2 he had for
>Canon).  Both have automatic TTL (I disagreed with the 
>salesperson when he said A-TTL flash is the same as automatic 
>TTL flash, what do you think?)

Cannons A-TTL stands for "A"dvanced TTL.......the differences between
A-TTL and TTL are unknown to me though.....anybody know?

Gary

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: fujichrome/ektachrome opinion needed
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:30:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.073453.4659@sys.sweden.dg.com> robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.192005.18323@berlioz.nsc.com>, elau@berlioz.nsc.com (Eugene Lau) writes:
>
>> I'm trying to decide whether I should use fujichrome 100 (RD) or ektachrome
>> 100 HC (EC ?) as my all purpose film.  cost is an issue so I didn't consider
>> pro films.  print films are too expensive to use in high volume, so they're 
>> out too.  I shoot landscapes and portraits.  
>> 
>> I heard that ektachrome was better for skin tones, but I also heard that
>> fujichrome was better overall (why?).  then someone on the net said fujichrome
>> comes out a tad bit dark, and ektachrome is fine in this regard.  I've been
>> using fujichrome 100 and am now back at square one in deciding what film to
>> use.
>
>Fujichrome Velvia comes out a tad dark, the other Fujichrome's doesn't.
>Fujichrome 50 and 100 are the same emulsions as Fujichrome 50 and 100 Prof.
>The base material is different, though.
>
I shoot alot of Velvia and true, it is a tad dark on some
sujbects, i.e., if the subject is dark or low light situation, but
if you are cognizant of the lighting/subject, you can open up
one-half to one-third to compensate.
>  
>Choosing between Ektachrome 100 HC and Fujichrome 100, I'd definitely choose
>Fujichrome. The Ektachrome HC films aren't very inspiring. Choosing between
>Ektachrome 100 Plus and Fujichrome 100, the choice becomes harder, but the
>Ektachrome 100 Plus film is a professional film so you may not want that.
>
Each film has it's charactertics/qualities.  As stated above, I
usually shoot Velvia.  If I want a softer color, I choose Kodachrome.
I shot a California Poppy (flower) with Velvia and Kodachrome 64.
Same location, angle, etc., and  the Chrome was much more
pleasing and softer.  The Velvia on this particular shot, was 
either had too much orange or even when I stopped down, did not
represent what "I actually saw in the field".  The Chrome was dead
on. Again, personal perference.

I must note that I usually shoot Velvia and Chrome for landscapes,
macro photography (nature stuff) and stills.  I have shot
Kodachrome of people at sunset and obtained some great shots of
portraits using a soft filter.  The skin tones were IMHO,
awesome, i.e., soft glow.  

The only way to surely find which film to use is to try the
different films yourself.  What I or anyone else suggests is
purely subjective according to our preferences.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: New Nikon camera!!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:09:33 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Hmm, the N90.  Anyone have any idea when the N90"S" will be out?

	:-)Dave
From: bbarton@Ingres.COM (Brian Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Leica Lenses
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:00:48 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Can anyone recommend a Leica Rangefinder lens that is both a good portrait
lens and good at macro-focusing?

I currently have a Minolta 28mm for my M4P and although it's extremely
sharp, you can't focus very closely.

I'm looking for something that will do double duty as both a potential portrait
lens and something for shooting macro-photography (not 1:1 but 1:2 or 1:4 would
be fine).

Could someone compare the close-focusing distances and/or quality of the
21 f 3.4, 50 f.2 summicron/wetzlar and 90mm f2?

Thanks in advance.  

Brian
From: jay@metran.UUCP (Jay Ts)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Photo chemicals and septic system??
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:44:01 GMT
Organization: Metran Technology, Tampa, Florida

sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
: In article <263@metran.UUCP> jay@metran.UUCP (Jay Ts) writes:
: >
: >Just to make things a little easier, you might try specifying Kodak
: >Publication J-20, Disposing of Minilab Effluent.  There is also Publication
: >J-55, Disposal and Treatment of Photographic Effluent -- In Support of Clean
: >Water, but they will probably want you to pay ($8) for that.
: 
: How about Publication J-52, "Disposal of Small Volumes of Photographic
: Processing Solutions"? I think that's probably what he's looking for.

That is not listed in Kodak's latest L-1.  However, it may still be possible
to get a copy.  It would be worth trying.  Sometimes when I ask for a copy
of a publication no longer in print, they send me a photocopy.

Jay Ts
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Nikon FG (? info wanted)
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:06:12 GMT
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

In article <1992Aug27.002319.8577@citec.oz.au> sgccpgs@citec.oz.au (Paul Salanitri) writes:
>What is the difference between an FG and an FG-20, I know the latter is
>slightly newer, but is it a super set, at does it lack some features that
>the FG has?????

The FG-20 is a later and cheaper version of the FG.  It does NOT have the
program mode and the TTL flash automation of the FG.  It also is prone
to a serious shutter timing problem which costs about as much to fix as
the body is worth..


-- 
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                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
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Newsgroups: rec.photo,alt.cd-rom,gnu.misc.discuss,misc.int-property
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Photo-CD - THE FACTS
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:26:17 GMT

In article <-2dn_pf@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>hasker@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Hasker) writes:
>
>
>
>After reading all the pinheads flaming away at Kodak in the typical
>Usenet don't-have-a-clue style, I did something really unusual.  I called
>Kodak.  This is something anyone capable of pounding out 11 digits on
>a phone can do.
>
>Here are the FACTS:
>
>A $39 program for the Mac or PC called Access Software is available from 
>Kodak.  This software allows one to pull off an image and >>NOTE THIS,
>PINHEADS<< save the image in any of the common PC/MAC formats.  Formats
>I specifically asked about, TIFF, GIF, TARGA and PICT are supported.
>The lady's comment was "we support all popular formats."
>
>My next question was "how about Unix support".  Answer:  "Soon".
>
>Next question: "Suppose I can't wait and want to write my own Unix code?"
>Answer: "The developer's kit is available for $695 and >>NOTE THIS, 
>PINHEADS<< includes source code as well as object for PC/MAC.
>
>Next question: "How do I get it?  Do I need any contract?"
>Answer: "Call the 800 number and charge it to your favorite credit card."
>	No mention anywhere of any secrecy or loyalty agreement.
>
>Next question: "What is the resolution of the highest resolution image?"
>Answer: "3072 X 2048", 24 bit color.  Yeehaaa!!!!!
>
>Final question: "Give me some phone numbers."
>
>800 242 2424
>	To order software, ex 53
>	Electronic Imaging group, ex 77
>
>John
>
Most Excellent reporting, DUUDE!  In my previous post on this thread,
I alluded to the Sept. issue on PHOTOgraphic magazine.  Readers SHOULD
read this first.  It has an great article on the whole Kodak Photo CD
process, etc. 

-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: yi@tdd.sj.nec.com (Yi Zhang  x2912)
Subject: CANON FAQ
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:32:59 GMT

>>Article 31762 of rec.photo:
>>From: robinson@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Michael Robinson)
>>Subject: FAQ and Pentax FAQ
>>
>>Could somebody please post me a photo FAQ. (or give me an address etc)
>>Is there a Pentax FAQ?

>>Thank you
>>Michael

Please post a CANON FAQ too. 

Y.Z.
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From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Subject: Re: Need film recommendation for baby's birth
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:04:45 GMT
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <1992Aug28.145224.13100@deshaw>, siegela@deshaw.com (Andrew Siegel) writes:

> My wife will be giving birth to our first child in November, and of
> course I will be there taking pictures (and perhaps assisting my wife
> as well :-).
> 
> I'm trying to decide what kind of film to use to record this occasion.
> I'll want prints, so it's going to be print film.  The lighting in the
> room will be bright fluorescent ambient light and (probably) halogen
> examination lights.  I'm pretty sure that there are no tungsten lights
> in the room.  I won't be using flash.
> 
> My priorities in picking the film are sufficient speed, lack of
> graininess, and correct color balance, in that order.  I was thinking
> perhaps of a Kodacolor 400 film, but I'm concerned that it won't be
> fast enough.  I'm also slightly concerned that the color balance will
> be off if I use daylight film.

If ISO 100 is enough for you (probably not), I'd recommend Fujicolor
Reala. It is the best film around for mixed-light situations.

If ISO 400 is enough for you, I'd use Fujicolor Super HG 400. I much
prefer it over most other ISO 400 color print films. It has also became
a standard film for many press photographers, sort of like Kodak Tri-X
is (was?) the standard b&w film.

If you need something even more sensitive, I'd use Kodak Ektapress 1600.
Its main advantage is that it can be push processed. It really is selected
batches of Kodakcolor Gold 1600 film that has shown to be well suited for
push processing. It isn't particulary good when compared with the other
films I've mentioned above, having the same over-saturated and contrasty
look of other Kodacolor Gold films.

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From: bobc@hplsla.hp.com (Bob Cutler)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 14:49:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Nikon FG (? info wanted)
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

I've owned an FG for many years and haven't yet found a reason to buy a
new camera.  It's never given me any problems, and batteries seem to last
a long time.  I've never dropped it, but I have taken it on lots of hiking
trips so I know that it's been bounced around pretty good.  

At the time I bought it I chose the FG because of its manual capability.
However, the automatic metering works well enough that I don't need to
use this capability very often.  The TTL flash works very well.  However
I do loose an occasional shot when I forget to set the aperature before
or after a flash picture.  

The only thing that I regret is that I bought a Tokina 35-135 lens instead
of a Nikkor.  The Tokina has been OK, but over the years the barrel has
become loose.
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