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From: rda834x@nella8.cc.monash.edu.au (J. Zufi)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Wanted: General info on the Glock series
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:08:41 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Just wondering - could anyone help me with some general info on the
background, specs and current usages (i.e. institutions, groups) of the
Glock pistols. Thankyou.

J.Z.

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From: justice@panix.com (Michael Justice)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AM radio DXing
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:08:53 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <9209021904.AA11134@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> you write:
#Here's an idea: Protector Technologies, Inc.*  makes something
#called StrapLock.  It looks like a rubber band on steroids,
#with a molded in handle/plug at one end that goes in the
#front of the barrel, the other end has a hole that fits over the
#hammer spur.
#
#It was tested in the field on kids 4-12, and none were able to
#either cock the hammer or pull the trigger back with the device
#installed, but an adult could remove it quickly if the gun was
#needed.
#
#This might be just the ticket for her and her husband.  Neither
#their six nor three-year-old would be able to operate the gun
#with the gadget installed, and neither should be able to remove
#it unaided.  (Yeah, I know, I have three kids and know how...um...
#ingenious they can be if they *really* want to open something.)

(note that this is NOT a flame, just my weird sense of humor at 1:15am)

Well, it took me all of twenty seconds to think of using a knife to
cut the strap. . . .  Guess I'm kinda silly, bringing a knife to a
gunfight, but when you're strapped for a defensive weapon. . . . :-)

Or do they have kevlar fibers in the straps?  Anybody know??

It makes me wonder how "field tested" this really was -- did they let the
kids have loaded-and-strapped guns around in the house for a few weeks?
or a lab room set up as a "typical suburban house" for twenty minutes per
kid, with a "one-way mirror" and a bunch of marketing types observing?

			-- Michael.
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 NRA Life / ILA    |  -- An L.A. reporter, covering a riot-time
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From: boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mini-14 accuracy
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:04:18 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center

In article <9209012048.AA21277@gyre.cs.UMD.EDU>, wmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin) writes:
#
#Several people recently have mentioned disappointment in the accuracy of 
#the Mini-14, especially if compared with an AR-15 or clone. For their 
#information, I cite an ad that has been on the front page of Shotgun News
#for several issues (at least) recently:
#
#"MINI-14 OWNERS: Our match quality heavy bbl. conversion will turn your
#'Mini' into a one M.O.A. weapon. SASE for brochure to: Accuracy Rifle
#Systems, PO Box 13772, Odessa, TX 79768"
#
#I know nothing else about this; anyone out there have any experience with
#this conversion? Has it been reviewed in any of the gun mags? (I don't
#recall seeing any such review.)
#
#Regards, Will
#wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
#
#[MODERATOR:  I saw that and wondered too.  I'll be pleased if someone
#can post a summary of this.]
#
	I had a similarly inaccurate mini-14 a few years ago, and
  wrote to this company for their information packet.  They will
  install a new heavy barrel on your mini-14 and guarantee 1 MOA
  accuracy.  They will re-barrel in .223 if that's what you want,
  but they recommended the 6mm-.223 wildcat as being more accurate.
  The only problem was that they wanted considerably more than I
  had paid for the mini-14 to do the job.  I decided to just get
  rid of it and buy a more accurate rifle.

  -Bob
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From: efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What about the Ruger Ranch Rifle .223 vs Mini-
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:03:03 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


In article <9209030032.AA02060@slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com>,
rliles@heimdall.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ray Liles) writes:
#I'd appreciate comments on the Ruger Ranch Rifle .223 vs the Mini-14 
#or
#how the Ranch Rifle fares against the AR-15.
#
#Ray


Ranch Rifle == Mini-14 with different iron sites (wimpy) and scope rings.

Same accuracy, same action, same bbl.

Eddie
From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Gun show schedule
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:34:37 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation

This is a summary of the major gun shows in Southern California
for the remainder of the year.  Some of the minor shows (such
as Barona) are not listed because I don't have their schedule
handy.

The really big shows are the ones in Pomona.  The fairgrounds are
near the freeway; freeway signs will direct you once you get close.
Generally you have to drive 3/4 of the way around the fairgrounds
to get to the parking entrance so don't give up hope too early :).

8/29-30		Costa Mesa - Orange County Fairgrounds
9/26-27		San Bernardino - National Orange Showgrounds
10/10-11	Costa Mesa - Building 10
10/17-18	Del Mar - San Diego Fairgrounds (the race track)
10/23-25	Costa Mesa - Red Lion Hotel @ Orange County Airport
10/24-25	Anaheim - Stadium
10/31-11/1	San Bernardino - National Orange Showgrounds
11/7-8		Ventura - County Fairgrounds
11/13-15	Pomona - LA County Fairgrounds (in Pomona)
12/11-13	Pomona - LA County Fairgrounds (in Pomona)
12/19-20	Anaheim - Stadium
12/19-20	Costa Mesa - Building 14

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What are some famous actor's guns
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:45:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Sep4.131036.24132
Organization: NCSU Computing Center

In article <9209022106.AA10610@cs.utexas.edu> MARTYZ@IDUI1.CSRV.UIDAHO.EDU (Marty Zimmerman) writes:
# ...  don't forget Matt Helm: S & W 5-shot .38 special with aluminum
#frame and 2-inch barrel.   ...
#And I'm talking about the Matt Helm from the Donald Hamilton books, ...

  But Matt Helm preferred rifles, and in many of the books did some
sniper work, usually with a high power bolt action rifle, and usually
scoped.  I'm sure that at least once it was a .300 Win. Mag., and 
the sighting it in is often mentioned.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Differance between .40 and 10mm
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:01:52 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <01GNST8X7CM0ANBS5C@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> roman@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
#Like the .38 Special and the .357 Magnum, you can fire a .40 S&W in a 10mm
#pistol, but not vice versa.

No, you shouldn't do this.  The cartridges should headspace on the
casing mouth, not on the extractor.
From: bressler@iftccu.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What's the best pocket-sized gun?
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:10:23 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group


/ iftccu:rec.guns / jca@crash.cts.com /  8:07 am  Aug 28, 1992 /

#You can also get some nasty derringers.  American Derringer makes one
#that is chambered .410 GA and .45 Long Colt.  A wicked pocket gun.

I saw one in 45-70 over .45 Long Colt - HONEST!.  It came with warnings 
plastered all over it, "For experienced .44 Mag shooters used to high 
performance loads only."  They were quite clear that they weren't 
going to be responsible for your hand!

I got second hand information about the guy that finally bought it.  I 
understand he didn't have the guts to try it first, so his 13 year old 
son did.  I guess he survived, but I'll bet that poor kid has developed
a flinch!

Rick.
From: K._LUU@morgaine.nwc.navy.mil (K. LUU)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: M1 Carbine Disassembly
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:54:51 GMT
Organization: Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division, China Lake, CA


                             M1 Carbine Disassembly
Does anyone in Net-land know how to remove the firing pin from the M1
Carbine's bolt?  Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

luu@scfb.nwc.navy.mil
From: bobwest%code3@uunet.UU.NET (Bob Westover)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: CA gun laws -- in cars (waS Re: Travelling help)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:10:03 GMT
Organization: 3M HIS

In article <9208291337.AA11454@stortek.com> vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes:
#
#hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
##...
##As a practical matter, you're not likely to need them in any of the major,
##or even minor, hotels.  I'd check them into the hotel safe (in locked
##containers -- no need to worry the staff).
##...
#
#Maybe by Disney World this may be true, but before you check your
#gun at the door, two data points:
#
#1) A few years back we went to Utah, (from CO), to visit some friends.
#   While in Utah I was reading a newspaper article about a couple from
#   Colorado who was staying in a motel in small town Utah, (might have
#   been Mohab), while on vacation. Three guys broke the door to their 

	Actually, this occurred in Salt Lake City, maybe a small town
	by comparison to LA or NY. The story was accurately described.
	No charges were filed against the Colorado man. In fact, he
	was commended for effectively defending himself.

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From: mcaldwel@netcom.com (Michael Caldwell)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: WANTED: Info &/or FAQ on getting FFL in CA
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:34:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <28=k02aT1f8R01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
#
#Howdy:
#
#I was told by an acquaintance (FFL holder) that the feds now require 
#state approval for issueing FFLs (or something like that). Is there 
#a FAQ about getting FFLs in CA?? Any other info would be appreciated 
#as well.
#
#Thanx, Eddie 
#
#Don't tread on me..........................................I bite
#-----------------------------------------------------------------
#Eddie Kieger                             efk00@cd.amdahl.com 
#For Pay:      System Design Engineer     Amdahl Corp.
#              Bringing you better mainframe computers
#For Fun:      "River Rat"                SBU-XI SPECWARGRU1 (USNR)
#              Bringing hellfire and brimstone to a river near you!

You have to get a "Certificate of Eligibility" which costs $44.  You also
have to give them two fingerprint cards.  If you can get a copy of the
Shotgun News the biggest ad for FFL kits is a company in CA.  I believe it's
RK Enterprises.  I was always able to speak to someone and they were very
helpful in getting my FFL in CA.  This certificate is a state certificate
for CA which you need in addition to the FFL.  You can get the FFL alone,
but when you get your FFL there's a set of instructions that tells you that
you need to get any additional state and local licenses before you can
start doing business.

Michael
From: RICH%wvnvm.wvnet.edu@VM1.gatech.edu (Richard E. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: SKS 30 round magazines; Legal?
Date: 29 Aug 92 13:50:27 GMT

Could someone tell me, for sure, if 30 round magazines installed on SKS
rifles are legal or not?  We have been discussing this at work and the
opinions vary.  There doesn't seem to be any problems in purchasing them.
However, I seem to remember someone saying that this was made illegal by
Bush's importation ban.  Anybody know for sure?  I thinking about getting
one but don't really want to do anything illegal.  Thanks.  -Rich
From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hollow Point Ammo & Police, Summary
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:27:23 GMT

... Much Deleted ...

-> that purpose. Except for special weapons teams, German police don't
-> have shotguns either, only 9mm submachineguns.
                          ^
                          |
---------------------------

*ONLY* submachine guns!  I love the difference in attitude across the
ocean.  I can't remember the number of times my brother (a cop in
Phoenix Arizona) has complained about being limited to the use of
only his sidearm (no submachine guns, no semi-automatic rifles, and
only sargeants get shotguns which I think must be stored in the
trunk of their cars).

I know, this probably belongs in talk.politics.guns, but that casual
comment was just too much to pass up!

Dana Rigg
rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com

[MODERATOR: I think the followup belongs in t.p.g., but for now let us
make peace, and use this as a teachable moment.  It *is* interesting to
see the different perspectives people have on law enforcement firearms.]
From: boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What's the best pocket-sized gun?
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:02:17 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center

In article <13400034@iftccu.boeing.com>, bressler@iftccu.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) writes:
#
#/ iftccu:rec.guns / jca@crash.cts.com /  8:07 am  Aug 28, 1992 /
#
##You can also get some nasty derringers.  American Derringer makes one
##that is chambered .410 GA and .45 Long Colt.  A wicked pocket gun.
#
#I saw one in 45-70 over .45 Long Colt - HONEST!.  It came with warnings 
#plastered all over it, "For experienced .44 Mag shooters used to high 
#performance loads only."  They were quite clear that they weren't 
#going to be responsible for your hand!
#
#I got second hand information about the guy that finally bought it.  I 
#understand he didn't have the guts to try it first, so his 13 year old 
#son did.  I guess he survived, but I'll bet that poor kid has developed
#a flinch!
#
#Rick.
#
	A local gun store usually has one of these on display - it's called
  the "Alaskan Survival Model".  I commented to the owner about how much fun
  it must be to shoot, and he immediately told me about the time he tried
  shooting it.  He only fired it once, because when he did, it broke one
  of the small bones in the palm area of his hand.  He said "I guess I
  should have read the manual first" (!), since in the manual, (according
  to him) it is specifically stated that the particular 45-70 load he fired
  should NOT be used in this derringer (I don't know which load it was).
	Of course, this guy has a reputation for being pretty crazy, so I
  don't doubt his story for a minute.  When I commented how useless the
  attached spike bayonet on the SKS was for most people, he told me that
  it really has a good use - you spear an aluminum can with it, and then
  fire the gun, which launches the can into the air - then you see how many
  times you can hit the can with the remaining rounds before it hits the
  ground.  (*Kids - don't try this at home!*  8-/)

  -Bob

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From: bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: stupid shooter tricks
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:55:07 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

My entry (a bit late, but acceptable nonetheless I hope) is sitting
on my desk in front of me as I type.

It's a curious cartridge case.  Seens to have started life as a .41
Remington Mag, but might well have been fired in a .44 Mag.  The
reason I suspect it was fired in a .44 is the 1/8" wide split in the
side of the case and the rifling marks in the brass at the front of
the case.

Around the split the brass is bulged out substantially - but was
stopped by some cylinder.  In the rear the primer was hit nicely
centered - but I'd expect that.  The unbulged brass in the web of the
case is still bright and shiney.

Someone made a hell of a mistake.  But it doesn't really look like
they paid *that* high a price for it, and we can all hope that they
learned from the experience.

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From: johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: CA gun laws -- in cars (waS Re: Travelling help)
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:59:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division

In article <1992Aug28.162801.10545@smartstar.com>, smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul) writes:
|> I live in California, and I have a question about transporting a
|> gun while riding a motorcycle.  Is there any way to legally do this?
|> With a car, you can lock it in the trunk.  What if you don't have
|> a trunk?  And what about rifles?  Would a locked case be good enough
|> for transporting them? 

   I use to transport my pistols and rifles on a motorcycle in CA
   for a few years over a 30? mile distance on a regular basis, and
   never was stopped or had any other problems. I kept the pistols
   unloaded in a gun case and the ammo seperate, both along with the
   usual stuff in a backpack strapped on the passenger seat. For
   the rifles I modified a gun case by cutting two belts and bolting
   them to the case, with one strap from waist to shoulder and the
   other across the waist. It worked well although I checked the
   bolts and condition of the case on a regular basis. As far as
   how legal it was or would be you'd be better off asking your
   local law enforcement or better yet the CHP as they would be
   the ones 'making the call' if they saw you, although again I
   know they saw me a lot and I was never stopped. As I recall 
   people didn't tailgate when I was carrying the rifle case. 

   John Ongtooguk (johno@sdd.hp.com)
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Concealed carry...
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:34:42 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <4jcn-bm.pauly@netcom.com>, pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:
# Okay - let's assume that we're past the legal, psychological, ethical, etc.
# questions about carrying a concealed firearm.  Whether it's legal or not, say
# one has decided to carry for one's own safety.
# 
# What is the best type of holster to use?  Where is the best place to carry
# (side, front, back, shoulder)?  Any specific models that are particularly
# outstanding?
# 
# Note that the firearm in question is a 5-inch government model.  I was thinking
# something along the lines of an inside-the-pants holster located at one's
# back.  Feasible?  Or is trying to conceal a full size auto (on a small person
# nonetheless) complete folly?
# 
# Paul Yoshimune

It depends how big you are.  I've 5'10", about 210 lbs. (though in
good enough shape that most people are surprised that I weigh quite
THAT much -- I just look a little pudgy).  I used to carry a Colt
Government Model on occasion; now I carry a Browning Hi-Power when
needed for San Francisco business trips, which is about the same
size as the Colt GM.  When visiting less dangerous places, I frequently
carry a Colt .380 or Colt Mustang.

My experience:

1. A long-waisted jacket or coat is required to conceal a Colt
GM or Browning HP in a holster.  A windbreaker, even a long enough
one, always makes me a little nervous that the gun or holster will
"print" against the material, especially if the wind is blowing.
(I have a permit -- I'm just anxious to avoid causing disturbance
or fear unnecessarily).  I use a Bianchi #4, worn on the side.
Inside pants holsters are too uncomfortable.

2. The Colt .380 works fine under a windbreaker, even, and I 
use a similar holster to the Bianchi #4, for the same reason.
Wearing it on your back is a problem with either holster and
gun when you sit down, because the gun moves differently from
your back.

3. For warm weather, or where I expect to take off my jacket,
I wear a leather fanny pack ("belly bag" in slang).  The Browning
HP fits, but it's heavy and uncomfortable.  The Colt .380 fits
much better.  Just so that people are used to me wearing it,
I wear the fanny pack all the time, though it's almost always
empty.  Even here at work I wear it, though obviously, both
for reasons of company policy and because code reviews don't
require it :-) I don't carry a gun in the pack at work.



-- 
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Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AM radio DXing
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:02:33 GMT
Organization: Yale University, Computing & Information Systems



In article <9209021904.AA11134@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:

[Regarding securing firearms in house ... ]

|> 
|> Here's an idea: Protector Technologies, Inc.*  makes something
|> called StrapLock.  It looks like a rubber band on steroids,
|> with a molded in handle/plug at one end that goes in the
|> front of the barrel, the other end has a hole that fits over the
|> hammer spur.
|> 
|> It was tested in the field on kids 4-12, and none were able to
|> either cock the hammer or pull the trigger back with the device
|> installed, but an adult could remove it quickly if the gun was
|> needed.  The band includes a large "Loaded Gun" on the strap,
|> which might be useful for warning the kids who can read to stay
|> back.  (One can always hope.)


I've thought about this and without actually having one, it appears
to have a serious drawback.  Removing the band requires (1) holding
the gun firmly by the grip, and (2) grasping the plug at the barrel
end, and (3) pulling the plug out of the barrel and then lifting it
up over the top of the gun.

Now I know we are all very careful to never, never put our fingers
inside the trigger guard until ready to shoot, but perhaps some of
us might admit we could possibly forget this important precaution
under the stress of waking up in the middle of the night to the
sounds of smashing glass.  It seems that if someone trying to remove
the StrapLock(tm) *does* inadvertently put his/her trigger finger
inside the guard, then part (3) of the procedure above would cause
that person to put pressure on the trigger as part of pulling the
gun away from the plug (Newton's laws, and all that).  Once the
plug is removed and the strap lifted up over the gun and pulled
back off the hammer ....

Also, regardless of technical effectiveness, the StrapLock does not
meet Connecticut's new requirement for storing loaded firearms, because
it does not have a "lock requiring a removable key or combination".
Other states with similar statutes may have the same requirement.

Notwithstanding all of that, I am very interested in devices of this
type and would welcome people's experiences.
-- 
  Alan S. Watt
  Yale University			Computing and Information Systems
  Box 2112 Yale Station			(203) 432-6602
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