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From: johnsonchris@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: John K. Speaks: 9/28 L.A. Times Article (long)
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:44:06 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

> too offensive.  One of the episodes, "Man's Best Friend," shows Ren
> bashing in Liquor's head with a wooden oar -- in black-and-white slow
> motion a la "Raging Bull."  Several sources in the animation community
> who have seen the episode say it's Kricfalusi's best work.

  What a shame we'll probably never see it now.  Sounds great, and if it's 
as good as they say, well..

> Executives at Nickelodeon would not comment on this story.  But one
> animation story editor offered his view of Nickelodeon's decision to can
> Kricfalusi: "Nickelodeon realized they have one of the hottest shows in
> the country right now, and a potential merchandizing bonanza if they can
> get new shows to the public.  And John is sitting on the shows.  That's
> something he's always done, and it makes him brilliant.  It makes his
> shows fine art.  But Nickelodeon wants product."
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
  OK, everyone repeat after me.  MONEY GRUBBING SCUM.
 
> "You can be guaranteed by firing Kricfalusi, the cartoon will fail 
> eventually," said one animator at a major studio.  "They're not seeing the
> long run.  Kricfalusi is the only reason why Ren and Stimpy exist.  So to
> take them away from him would mean anyone else who would replace him would
> be trying to imitate him.  You can't do that successfully."

  The whole truth right there.  They'll make the new show, then see it bomb 
when all the cult followers leave.
 
> "It won't be the same in a lot of ways," Camp responded.  "John always
> pushes the envelope, constantly.  One way it will be different, there will
> be a lot less conflict.  The shows aren't as likely to be as weird or
> insane.  But I think those are things Nick doesn't want."

  Bad signs about the future.  If Camp wants to tone it down, well folks, I 
don't like it.

  Let's hope that Kricfalusi's other works see the light of day.  It seems 
now that he might get a bad reputation because of this incident.
 
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Chris Johnson
From The Beaver Cave VAX Lab                      REMEMBER JOHN KRICFALUSI
Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA                                         
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From: mikec@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Michael Chow)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Organized letter writing campaign
Date: 25 Sep 92 11:46:39 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

I got it! What if Ren & Stimpy moved from Nick to Public Television?! I mean, if they can get all those British comedies there, why not R&S?

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From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Dominguez)
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:15:04 GMT

rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao V. Akella) writes:
> 
> I realize John K. is God to all of us (me included), but I do have a problem
> with the way _they say_ he acted:  If he really did show the Nick management
> one set of storyboards and then animated another set (with a few gross
> sequences thrown in), then his behaviour was, at best, unethical, and at wors
> underhanded and sneaky.
BTW...
 
I suppose you've never done an underhanded sneaky thing like telling
the wife you're working late... in McCluskys bar and grill...
 
Get a life.. JohnK was screwed... I don't blame Bob Camp, but
dont sympathize with the enemy....
 
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From: jengagne@wam.umd.edu (Jenny Lynne Gagne)
Subject: Re: Nick nixes Kricfalusi
Summary: a devoted fan is ready to slaughter Nick officials 
Keywords: Nickelodeon Kricfalusi fired
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:30:31 GMT

Okay, I think I can add my voice in about wanting that address... How about
we send around an electronic petition?  Letters alone won't cut it.

I could take a block of depleted uranium and mail it to Nick postage due.


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Rant : Nick is run by stinking money grubbing bastards with no sense of
what the audience wants and no respect for the artform.  I gotta go lie
down now.  Excuse me.
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From: donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Red and Stumpy
Organization: none
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:34:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.011946.9039@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>For those with the intestinal fortitude, there is a parody of R&S coming out 
>called Red & Stumpy. Red is a hemophiliac chihuahua and Stumpy is a limbless 
>blood spurting cat.  The ad copy says brags about outgrossing the originals.  
>These people seem to be missing the point, eh?
>     Dave Van Domelen, the talking Ren talks when you pull his 'outie' 
>bellybutton

Oh please. Not only are they missing the point, but they have no idea
that there was a point in the first place. I may give it a shot, but
my fingers will be on the remote, ready to nuke it in the event of stupidity.
I give it an estimated span of, say, 2 minutes, before I can't take it.

					--Judex--

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: John K's New Job
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 06:02:45 GMT
Organization: None for me, thanks . . . I'm driving.

Scuttlebutt from within the smouldering ruins of Spumco: Fox was after
John K. as soon as the news of trouble with Nickelodeon broke, and they've
apparently come to an agreement with him to develop project(s) for the
network.  Expect an announcement once Kricfalusi's role in the production
of the Bob Camp "Ren & Stimpy" is finalized.   

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From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York)
Subject: Re: Nick nixes Kricfalusi
Keywords: Nickelodeon Kricfalusi fired
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:05:42 GMT

In <Bv5xrA.AvI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:

>bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:


>>Jimmy the Retarded Boy is welcome in my teevee room
>>any day.

>Mine too, despite the PC forces in the universe that have changed his name
>to "Jimmy the Hapless Boy."

Actually, I thought his name was Billy...

>                                   --Steve Stelter
>                                     sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

						Justin York
						jyork@iastate.edu
From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Dominguez)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy to appear on Krusty The Klown Show?
Keywords: not quite right in the head
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:23:38 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018

cantor@spot.Colorado.EDU (Evan Cantor) writes:

> Just saw a clip on CNN Headline news last night indicating that Fox is
> considering spinning off a new show from the Simpsons, The Krusty The Klown
> Show.  Can you imagine a better place for Ren and Stimpy to appear?  Not to
> mention full-length Itchy and Scratchy episodes.  Hoooboy! Itchy & Scratchy
> AND Ren-n-Stimpy all on one show!  The fat bloated mind reels!

Not likely... Since NICK axed JohnK, (in order to ensure a steady
stream of CORPORATELY approved R&S toons for the "mindless, we dont
care who sketches it" masses, it appears that they are going to
milk it for what its worth... Face it, the only place to see
R&S will be NICK or MTV,,, and as soon as MR CAMP ah.. edits the
new episodes to NICKS CORPORATE taste, well, it just STEENKS
doesnt it... )sniff(
 
>>Carlos<<
 
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Peter Lorre & Bloated Idiot
Keywords: You Eeeembahseeyl!
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:00:51 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep16.162920.15508@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cantor@spot.Colorado.EDU (Evan Cantor) writes:
>I know that the inspiration for Ren Hoek's voice has been discussed ad 
>infinitum in this group and that it is generally accepted now that Ren Hoek
>is a caricature of Kirk Douglas (and I don't dispute that); however, I have
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>startling NEW evidence that Ren Hoek does indeed have a DNA link to the actor
>Peter Lorre!!!

Kirk Douglas?!?!?  It always struck me as fairly clear that Ren was
Peter Lorre and Stimpy was Larry of the Three Stooges.  I vaguely
recall the first press reports even commenting on the Lorre connection.

>I just watched THE MALTESE FALCON the other day and near the end of the story,

Way to disclose the ending, dude.
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From: bcampbel@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Bob Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:33:39 GMT

> 
> so to live up to his responsibility to a money grubbing network,  
John K. 
> should just crank out garbage? And not care about the fans? 
> Please, he signed a contract, and when that situation changed they  
canned him,
> rather than renegotiate. That is solely the responsibility of Nick.  
They
> say that his completed episodes were offensive, but we only have  
their word.
> They have yet to provide any documentation of any thing  
inappropriate.
> John K. tried to do something really special, a style of animation  
that
> had not been done for years. And he ended up being a good example  
of what
> happens when you place quality over quantity in the Television  
market.
> Philistines!
> 
> 					--Judex--

Yes, well! That's just the sort of blinkard, philistine,  
pig-ignorance I've come to expect from those non-creative TV Exec.  
garbage!

Bob "Throat Sack" Campbell


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From: ecurrent@zooid.guild.org (Greg Clow)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: R&S Comeek Book
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:55:00 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
X-To: ALL

Well, with all this talk about John K.'s dismissal and such, I figured 
this newsgroup probably needed a bit of cheering up, so:

A recent visit to my local comix shop was quite fruitful.  In amongst a 
stack of promo posters, "upsoming comic" announcements, and so on that 
they were giving away, I discovered a preview issue of THE REN AND STIMPY 
SHOW #1 from Marvel Comics!  (that's right, it's not Epic as we 
anticipated, it's Marvel)  Naturally, I took it.  What follows is a 
description of what's in it (so if ya don't wanna spoil the suprise, hit 
'n' now!):

(NOTE: this preview copy is just a photocopy of the comic, so I don't know 
what it'll look like in colour.  Hopefully, it'll look just as wonderful 
as the show.)


The main story is "R'n'S Go Bad", in which our heroes steal a Kitty 
Krapper 5000 litter box, and soon find themselves headed towards a life of 
crime.  Especially funny are the references to "The Godfather" and "Good 
Fellas", and a cameo appearance by Powdered Toast Man in a great parody of 
those Hostess Fruit Pie ads that used to appear in DC and Marvel comics.

Following that is a two page "Ren Hoek for President" blurb, which is 
amusing, and includes the obligatory potato[e] joke.

Then, a short story featuring Commander Ren and Cadet Stimpy (guest 
starring Yak).

Next, a medicore Ask Dr. Stupid.

And finally, the last page stays true to the spirit of the show, and 
features Ren telling a weeping Stimpy that they'll be back in 30 days, and 
there are many things he can do until then.


All in all, I'd say it's a pretty good read, BUT people who haven't seen 
the show would  undoubtedly be lost by the constant in-jokes and such.  
I'll give it a thumbs-up.


Greg

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From: med2062@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.E. Donnaruma)
Subject: Re: Organized letter writing campaign
Originator: med2062@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:39:29 GMT

In article <jyork.717537725@pv343d.vincent.iastate.edu> jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York) writes:
>
>I believe it was Mattel who is making the Ren & Stimpy figures...
> 
    Is Mattel going to produce the original LOG from Blammo?? I
personally want the LOG helmet. (The log underwear looks painful if
there's a splinter... ouch!)  

    I still think mail bombs are the best way to "handle" Nick execs.
Happy Happy, Kill Kill!
                                Mark
From: edwardp@cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Nick nixes Kricfalusi
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:45:08 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <3710@ra.nrl.navy.mil> harris3@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Kevin Harris) writes:
>
>Calling Powdered Toast man...come in pleeeease!!
>
>I hope this is a joke.  What I would do without authentic Kricfalusi style Ren 
>and Stimpy I care not to think!
>
>Ren and Stimpy Fans UNITE!!! 
>
>I'm hurting,
>Kevin
>----
>KHarris@aol.com

I think this one is BEYOND Powdered Toastman...

 - Ed


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From: gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis)
Subject: R&S in FILM THREAT!!
Summary: Ren in Stimpy article in FILM THREAT magazine
Keywords: Ren Stimpy Film Threat
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:28:21 GMT

Hey folks! Grad the latest issue of the magazine FILM THREAT!  Ren and
Stimpy are on the cover and inside is an EXCELLENT 18 page article inside
with a big John K. Interview, Bob Camp interview, Billy West Interview
a nice list of all the epsisodes that are (or rather were) to to come out
for the upcoming season with summaries. They list and give summaries for
20 epsiodes that aren't completed yet.  There is also an article about
Raymond Spum (hee hee).
There is even a page article on John K's new production called "The Ripping
Friends" which looks and sounds great!  They show pics from it too!
There are tons of color and B&W photos and drawings in the articles too!
Its a MUST HAVE for all Ren and STimpy fans!  Get it!
They also print the lyrics to the songs and have an article about the
guys who do the theme music.
By the way! It is now official!  The name is Stinky Wizzleteats!

George Cifrancis
gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
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From: af185@yfn.ysu.edu (Robin L. Gibson)
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Reply-To: af185@yfn.ysu.edu (Robin L. Gibson)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:29:43 GMT


In a previous article, sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) says:

>barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:
>
>
>>In article <Bv5xon.Atn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>
>Look at it this way: We all know how upset all of us on a.t.r-n-s got
>after a month of nothing but reruns, and we're not even getting any
>money off the show.  The folks at Nick, who realize that R&S is their
>flagship cartoon, must have been livid...and I, for one, don't blame
>them.
>
>Ultimately, I think the blame for this mess lies with BOTH Nick and
>John K.  They both had different ideas concerning the circumstances
>under which the show should be produced, and you just can't do a show
>when you have a conflict over something as basic as that.  Overall,
>I think John K. will be better off on his own, where he doesn't have
>to get his work OKed by higher corporate powers.  But let's not dump
>all the abuse on the Nick executives.
>
>
>                                 --Steve Stelter
>                                   sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Very well said, Steve!

As much as I love R&S, I have to say that every time I tune
in to Snick and they're showing damn reruns, I'm
incensed!  John K. has a responsibility, not only to Nick,
but to the viewers/fans.  Screw the fact that his creative
talents take time:  he knew that when he first signed a
contract!

Robin
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From: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Subject: Re: Who got booted by Nick?
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:12:32 GMT

Apparently it was John K.

Hmm... will it last???
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From: at887@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Butler)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy Broadcast Schedule....?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 15:09:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Please ignore my previous message...I just found the FAQ....
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: Scuttlebutt from Billy West
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:12:15 GMT

In article <JYM.92Sep29211222@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
>Subject: Scuttlebutt from Billy West
>Date: 29 Sep 92 21:12:22

>> If John K. can't get episodes done on a schedule HE agreed
>> to, and if R&S viewership takes a hit when people can't sit
>> through an eighth viewing of "The Littlest Giant", then Nick's
>> move to save R&S's viability seems entirely appropriate.

>=+= Billy West was on a radio show today.  He intimated that
>the *real* problem was creative/censorship issues.  In fact,
>the lateness of the episodes is a function of these issues
>(which, when you think about it, should be obvious).

>> if Kricfalusi can't bake the cake, he should get out of
>> the bathroom.

>=+= How ridiculous.  Kricfalusi is the creative force here.
>Creativity doesn't always arrive on schedule.  Ren & Stimpy
>without John K. won't be worth watching; frankly, I'd rather
>sit through eighty viewings of "The Littlest Giant" than
>see syndicated hackwork.

>=+= It's like running _Pogo_ without Walt Kelly -- or _Popeye_
>without E.C. Segar.  (In fact, the current _Popeye_ is doubly
>pathetic, as it's trying to merge an imitation of Segar with
>an imitation of Bobby London (himself an imitator of George
>Herriman).)

>=+= It would be like running _The_Simpsons_ without Matt
>Groening.  The "product" is there, but the soul is not.   .-.  .-.

I too am crushed at John K's departure, BUT....

Warner Bros. had several different animators with Bugs Bunny and pals 
over the years and Bugs survived.  Granted he got a face lift here and 
there, but we had R.McKimson, B.Clampett, C. Jones, Fritz Freling etc.... 
 
There was no damage and all the various versions of Bugs had their 
own individual edge. 

I happen to think Black Hole/Stimpy's Invention is the best set of 
R&S episodes, which are from Camp.  

I say we give him a chance.  

And its not fair to compare R&S to ANY OTHER ANIMATION, because the 
guidelines/characters/and target group are completly different!


Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
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From: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey)
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Reply-To: mckelvey@fafnir.com
Organization: Fafnir Software, Saugus, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:15:09 GMT

> I realize John K. is God to all of us (me included), but I do have a problem
> with the way _they say_ he acted:  If he really did show the Nick management
> one set of storyboards and then animated another set (with a few gross
> sequences thrown in), then his behavior was, at best, unethical, and at  
worst,
> underhanded and sneaky.
> 

The sleazebags at Nick don't know the meaning of the word "ethics".  They DO  
know the meaning of "underhanded" and "sneaky".  If John K. can put one over on  
them in the name of art, we're all the richer for it.  I refuse to call this  
morally reprehensible behavior.

Lighten up!  You like it, I like it, it's a hit show for Nick; how has John K.  
cheated Nickelodeon?  By giving them a cult hit?  Yes, they would have  
preferred a cult hit that was cheap and easy to produce.  And bland and  
inoffensive.  He gave them a cult hit that has the potential for a  
cult-megahit.  And instead of finding a place for this hit, they try to kill  
it.  (They have MTV remember; and they could show it at 10PM if they wanted!)

"Yes, I have a goose that lays golden eggs, but it doesn't lay them often  
enough to please me.  Nor are they sufficiently smooth and round.  So it's  
roast goose tonight."

-- 
A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes, but to get in
accord with them; they are legitimately what directs his conduct
in the world. - Sigmund Freud
Jim McKelvey                      mckelvey@fafnir.com