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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: A sailing problem
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:34:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu, EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>  
> ...several people's comments on experiences with or the appropriateness
> of sailing with a young child deleted...
>  
> I started taking my (almost) 4 year old daughter sailing with me late
> last summer (before that, I didn't own a sailboat.)  It seems to me
> that the wisdom of doing so varies a lot with the circumstances, and
> that it is ok in my case.  But, I'm open to others' reactions.
>  
> The facts:
>  
> 1.  She can't yet reliably swim without aid.
>  
> 2.  She has lots of experience playing in the water wearing a PFD.
>  
> 3.  We sail a small boat (Banshee--about 13') on a lake.
>  
> 4.  We sail only in conditions where capsizing is unlikely, and
>     where swimming intentionally would be a pleasant experience.
>  
> 5.  We practiced (and enjoyed!) capsizing in shallow water first.
>  
> 6.  She loves going sailing.
>  
> 7.  She especially loves going overboard.  We have an agreement
>     that she is not to go overboard intentionally without prior
>     permission (granted only in shallow water with an adult standing
>     nearby in the water), and she abides by it.
>  
> Am I crazy?
>  
> ...Richard E+17


You are not crazy, you are doing the right thing to teach your daughter to like the
water.  This should lead to the whole family enjoying sailing together, and help
you get throught the difficult early teen years with a minimum of difficulty.

I started sailing with my kids at a very early age (my younger daughter was 1.5 years
old) in a small (12 foot) boat.  The kids used to sleep a lot (yes, even in the
small boats), and it is funny to see them now (in their twenties).  They still fall
off to sleep shortly after the boat is underway.  That does not mean that they sleep
all the time, but they still find the motion of the boat so relaxing that they want
to take a nap.

When they were young, they liked to drag their hand in the water or trail a boat
after our boat.  We also used to fish off the boat.  They got started with the
idea that boats and the water were fun.

Jeff Huntington

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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: L. Francis Herreshoff's H-28
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:33:19 GMT

In article <1g32luINNf9a@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>boat has made so many circumnavigations -- and Herreshoff designed it for
>local waters!. I must confess its one of the few designs I'd sell my soul
>for.

My parents have a GRP H28 ketch (there is also a single masted
configuration).  The original design is 50 years old this year. The GRP
versions, developed in Melbourne, added more freeboard and headroom.
From a sailing point of view, they are fairly slow upwind,
particularly in choppy seas very well or point very high, but are great
off the wind, particularly as the wind picks up, and very stable.  It
is very suited to shorthanded sailing.  You can expect about 5 kn
upwind, 7-8 kn on a broad reach.  By modern standards, the boat is fairly
crowded inside, is very heavy (about 5 ton), but very solidly rigged
and constructed. I would not fancy making a long trip if much upwind
work was involved.

I spent about an hour up the mast last Sunday replacing the wind
instruments.  Seems there was some lightning around the marina, and
they were knocked out on four boats.  On ours, the problem was at the
masthead senders - I presume the coils etc were burnt out due to static
discharge.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: schmidt@LNS62.TN.CORNELL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Dehlya-25
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:01:34 GMT
Organization: Wilson Lab, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY, 14853
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Would anyone care to comment on this boat? -- loves, hates, etc.  There
is a remote chance I might get my hands on one of these as salvage, but
as a neophyte I could use all the input offered... 

From what I have seen, she appears well-made, but is it worth th hassle
to replace/repair various parts and pieces?  Am I a glutton for punish-
ment to even be thinking about it...?

-js
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From: briang@atlastele.com (Brian Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Request for opinions: Cruising and fishing for food
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.134539.11746@mwhhlaw.uucp> uunet!mwhhlaw!tim writes:
>
>We caught three Kings between Ft. Lauderdale and Miami.  Following the  
>article's suggestion, the line was retrieved by hand (with gloves).  Once the  
>fish was aboard, we splashed a shot of rum on the fish's gills.  Almost  
>instantly, the fish would be anestitized (sp?) sufficiently to remove the hook.
>
>However, when returned to the water, we were able to see the fish swim away.

   Let me get this straight.  You got the *fish* drunk, then you let him get
   away?

-- 
--Brian M. Godfrey
  atlastele.com
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Marelon fittings et. al.
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:12:44 GMT

bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:

>Shoreside brass plumbing fittings SHOULD NOT be used for any critical (below
>the waterline) application on a boat.  Brass is an alloy containing a fairly
>active metal (zinc?) that will be eaten away by self-electrolysis within the
>fitting, leaving a weak, porous copper fitting.

Hmmm, good point.  I didn't consider the actual makeup of the brass.
Tell you what.  I've got an extra one of these valves in my basement.  
I'll hang it in the harbor till spring and report back on how it fares.  

Thanks for response.

cheers,
gerard
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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Request for opinions: Cruising and fishing for food
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:26:43 GMT


I asked my in-laws about fishing. They said, basically, that in the Lower
latitudes, it was easy to catch stuff, and that they had caught several Dorados
(I *think* that's the spelling) which were good eating. My father-in-law had to
stop fishing when my mother-in-law had no more room in her freezer to put the
stuff.
   On the other hand, their strong feeling was that if you plan to fish, you
should plan to do it as an *auxilliary* source of food, and should *not* rely
on being able to catch anything. Treat it as bounty rather than staples. 

   By the way, pouring rum or vodka into the gills makes the fish much easier
to subdue. In fact, I am told that after a very short while the alcohol 
will kill them, saving you the trouble of clubbing them, etc. 

-John
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From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: Celestial vs. GPS (was Re: Bermuda Trip - 7/'93)
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:35:35 GMT

In article <1go434INNcsp@calvin.NYU.EDU> roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
writes:
>briang@atlastele.com (Brian Godfrey) writes:
>>   So what if they drop and break their sextant, or drop it in the drink?
>>   What's the diff, really?  They're still relying on a device.  The
>>   important key to survival is not this or that technology you decide to
>>   use, it's knowledge, understanding, and resourcefulness.  
>
>	This is absolutely true.  However, let's assume you understand
>celestial navigation and are handy enough to improvise tools with whatever
>materials you have.  If you then lost your sextant, you'd still be able to
>build some sort of altitude measuring device, perhaps using the graduations
>on a compass as a template for the elevation scale.  If you're lucky enough
>to have a good set of drawing tools (say, the nice Plath compass and divider
>set and straightedge that live in your nav table drawer) and a steady hand
>and lots of patience, you should be able to construct a 60-degree angle and
>repeatedly bisect it using geometric constructions (30, 15, 7.5, etc; 8 such
>bisections get you to 60/64ths of a degree).  Even if you could only get 1
>degree accuracy, that's enough to have *some* idea of where you are.  Could
>you find, for example, Hawaii, or some part of it, only knowing your
>position to +/- 1 degree?  Probably.

Here's a rule of rhumb for all you lifeboat navigation trivia buffs:

If you want to guesstimate latitude (at night inthe Northern Hemisphere), hold
out your arm straight and make a fist. Close one eye, and count the number of
fists from the horizon to the North Star (Polaris). Each fist is roughly ten
degrees of arc, so multiply by ten, and that's your latitude. 

No need for that-there nautical maniac, or that anemia thing, or having to know
the stars', uh, emphysema. 

And if you're going to use the sun, you're best to get the atltitude at local
apparent noon, seeing as you're not likely to be able to estimate the time of
LAN without a reasonable estimate of your longitude, so shooting a LAN sun shot
is an iterative process.
From: rblanco@hpihoah.cup.hp.com (Rich Blanco)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:28:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Islander and Cape Dory 30s
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Please post for the rest of us.
Thanks

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From: mgsail@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (goldstein,marvin)
Subject: Re: Radio Checks, was Coast Guard Boating Tax, NOT!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:37:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.174510.3049@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>
>You're listening on Channel 9, and you hear:
>
>VOICE: Can someone give me a radio check?
>
>What do you say? My answer is this:
>
>JFH: Vessel calling for radio check, you are loud and clear in Red Brook 
>Harbor, just east of Bassett's Island. Would you like to try it again on 
>low power and see how you do? 

Since 9 is now a hailing channel in most (all?) of the country, doing anything
more than asking the VOICE to pick/switch to another channel is illegal.  Why
people don't ask for checks on working channels is beyond me.  

Any other opinions?

(Standard disclaimer, etc.)
Marv
"SHIKSA IV"
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From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Mercruiser questions
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:04:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <1992Dec15.131508.22928@nynexst.com> jsh@icslab.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Hirth) writes:
>>On 11 Dec 92, torsten@unisql.UUCP wrote:
>>
>> My boat has a strange tendency to "fishtail" while bumbling along at
>> 1200 RPM.  It runs straight as an arrow at speed.
>>
>My '92 Century 21' (deep V) does the same thing.  Stable as a rock when on a
>plane, but yaws like a drunk when off plane.

Ditto my SeaSwirl deep-V.  Another SeaSwirl owner said, "They don't call them
SeaSwirls for nothing!"

My 1956 near-flat-bottomed outboard didn't do it.

-- 
David R. Smith, HP Labs |   "I like to get my hands dirty,
dsmith@hpl.hp.com       |   because it stimulates my mind."
(415) 857-7898          |        -- Irwin Sobel
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From: scott@prodplan.Columbia.NCR.COM (Scott Bridges)
Subject: Re: Boarding(was Re: Coast Guard Boating T
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:39:53 GMT

In article <1gqia9INNq9b@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 828@encore.com, tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn) writes:
>> 
[much valuable discussion deleted]

>
>Does anyone on the net have any ideas on how boaters can band together and 
>exert the proper pressure to fix this problem?  Do anyone know what buttons 
>to push or where the appropriate pressure points are?  This has been going 
>on for quite a while now, and if we don't do something together (as boaters), 
>I am afraid it will continue for a long time. We have all kinds of laws that 
>protect the "rights" of all kinds of citizens (both guilty and non-guilty).  
>Seems that we should be able to get some protection for the right of boaters 
>not to have their boats trashed in the name of drug enforcement.  If the police
>(or Marines) were to treat ordinary citizens cars and houses this way, there 
>would be such a howl raised that every politician in the country would be 
>proposing a law to fix it.  I, more than most, am not in favor of more laws.
>Still, there has to be some way to solve this problem.  What do you think?
>
>Jeff Huntington


We can debate the validity and effectiveness of the "zero tolerance" policy
created by our government, and the war on drugs (tm) in general.  The sad
fact is that the hysteria surrounding the very real drug problem in this 
country often preempts reason.  Most people are very willing for our 
law enforcement agencies to do ALMOST anything in the name of stopping 
the influx of drugs and the associated crime and violence.  It's very
difficult for someone in Toledo (or wherever) to identify with the problems
of a coastal sailor.  If these measures (i.e., unreasonable searches, 
occasional destruction of personal property, inconvenience and intimidation)
stop some drugs from illegally entering U.S. waters, I don't think they
really care.  In their minds, it may be worth it.  I, frankly, don't
think that the boating lobby is strong enough to overcome this belief
that we as a people must go to any lengths to stop drug smuggling.

Maybe I'm too cynical.  I dunno.

Scott
   
-- 
Scott Bridges                               Phone (803) 791-6387
NCR Corp-MCPD Columbia                      Fax (803) 739-7362
3325 Platt Springs Rd                       scott@prodcntr.columbiaSC.NCR.COM
West Columbia, SC 29170
From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 18:42:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Winterizing Boats/Batteries?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats




                    CONCLUSION # 7, GO WHERE IT IS WARM !

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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Confused and spreading confusion
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:13:30 GMT

It's not good form to follow up on your own posting but davea@sc.hp.com pointed
out an werror which I feel I should correct.

gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:

>Wow, the toothpaste's out of the tube now.  Shore power induced electolysis
>is a seperate (but worse) issue from the galvanic electrolysis caused by
>"dissimilar metals and an eletrolyte".  Shore power electrolysis is caused 
>by a voltage being impressed by the connection to the power grid.  Since an
>effectively infinite amount of current can be delivered truly awesome damage
>can be done.  Interestingly, since shore power is AC it shouldn't happen. 
>But it does when there is a differing ground potential between the boat and
>the SPs earth ground.  

So far so good.

>You can defeat this action by connecting the boats ground to the green wire of 
>the shore power.  

This is backwards.  You can defeat this electrolysis by *disconnecting* the two.

>This would be wonderful, except that it now becomes possible to be electrocuted 
>by faulty appliances.  

This is right in the current context.  If you break the connection you are 
creating a shock hazard.

>Opinion is sharply divided on whether or not to make this connection.  Personally, I
>don't use shore power so it's a non-issue for me.  

Just MO.

If I did use shore power, I'd cut the connection since lives are more important 
than boats.  

Backwards.

>If money and space are no object an isolation transformer can be used to solve all 
>the problems at once.

This is right, I think.

Thanks to Dave for catching this and everyone else for bearing with me.

cheers,
gerard


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From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: Re: Request for opinions: Cruising and fishing for food
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:53:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.083434.14889@ulrik.uio.no> alicer@gimli.uio.no (Alice Rossmann) writes:
>We fished while under sail.. It really isn't a problem if it is pleasant
>weather and wind! Off of Mexico (on the pacific side) we got a lot of
>Tuna, off of the Pacific North West we got Salmon and in the Atlantic we
>got Dolphin Fish... Its a wonderful way to have fresh food while out
>sailing. You don't have to worry about catching to big of a fish.. just
>use the right hooks! We didn't fish when the wind picked up... to much
>to do with the boat never mind fishing!  The only problem you need to
>know about is the different laws of fishing when in territorial waters! 
>-Alice

The 'territorial laws' concern did cross my mind, but I didn't want to start
the discussion there.

Where can one write for info on such laws regarding fishing? I imagine that
catching fish (w/line or spear) for personal consumption might be allowed,
but selling/trading the catch could be illegal. Is it reasonable to assume
that catching for personal consumption is illegal in some waters?

thanks

barry
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Subject: Re: TIP: Soldering Wire
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:21:02 MDT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

stuff deleted
|>>
|>>By the way, if you're doing some re-wiring, consider getting a copy of
|>>the ABYC's list of colors to use for various tasks. If you *know*
|>>that everything's properly color-coded, it makes your job a lot
|>>easier later on. 

Where do you get this list of colors?

--
Hal Lynch

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Marelon fittings et. al.
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:02 PST
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In article <1992Dec14.194708.5295@progress.com>, gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes...
>jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> 
>There also the ball type valve used in shoreside plumbing systems.  The
>common brand is "Apollo".  In the large sizes they are expensive enuf to
> ....
>aren't as massive.  These valves have brass bodies, some kind of 
>chromed ball and teflon seals.  They are designed for pretty severe
>duty.  ANy opinions?
> 

Shoreside brass plumbing fittings SHOULD NOT be used for any critical (below
the waterline) application on a boat.  Brass is an alloy containing a fairly
active metal (zinc?) that will be eaten away by self-electrolysis within the
fitting, leaving a weak, porous copper fitting.



Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)

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From: rlm@sei.cmu.edu (Richard Murphy)
Subject: Re: Mercruiser questions
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:31:12 EST


In article <RRUSK.92Dec14111908@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>, rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk) writes:
|> On 11 Dec 92 19:21:43 GMT, torsten@unisql.UUCP wrote:
|> 
|> >   My boat has a strange tendency to "fishtail" while bumbling along at
|> >   1200 RPM.  It runs straight as an arrow at speed.
|> 
|> >All powerboats will do this if you aren't going fast enough...
|>  ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> Not all, just many.  None of our 16'+ Boston Whalers has done this,
|> neither did my 16' Starcraft SuperSport and my 15' LuCraft tri-hull
|> only wandered slightly.  Most (but not all) deep-V's seem to have this
|> problem.  Frequently, if you have hydraulic trim tabs and point them
|> down as far as they go at low speeds, the problem is diminished.
|> --
|>  Bob Rusk
|>  rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
|>  My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
|> 
My Wellcraft 19' I/O did the same, until I had a "Doel" fin put on, and the
fishtailing is now negligable.  Gets up on the step sooner, and stays on at
lower speed too.  
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From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Rudder
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:10:10 GMT

After hauling my trusty Venture 222, I noticed that its rudder has
some cracks etc (it is a very nonstandard rudder wood with some kind of
graphite coat).  Does any one know of drawings for a rudder for this
boat or an actual rudder itself?  I am thinking of fabricating one
out of wood and glass or foam and glass.  Any good sources of info
on the process?
Thanks
John (the boat is in 4 feet of snow- time to ski)
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From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 20:58:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Mike Plant story
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:

>>    And did those boats look anything like what Mike was sailing in??

I doubt it, although I don't know what Mikes's boat looked
like--except for what I have read on r.b

>>    No.  I suspect they were quite larger and more able to withstand storms
    and less likely to have their keel torn off.

Actually, most of them were in the 25 to 35 foot range and usually
sailed by two people--mostly married couples.  The smallest, other
than a few wierdies like "Tinkerbelle", was "Sopranino", which was
about 17 feet and had a fin keel with a bulb on it.  One of the people
who sailed "Sopranino" was, if I remember correctly, Colin Mudie.
Most of those boats were designed for long distance cruising, like
"Wanderer" (Hiscock?) and had relatively long keels that were not too
likely to fall off.

>>   I see no basis for comparison here. 

Wasn't trying to make one.  I was merely trying to make the point
that, given that one did not expect one's keel to fall off, losing
ones electrical system would not *necessarily* be sufficient reason to
abandon the trip--in this case, (forgive me if I am wrong) Mike was
going to the place where the race was to start, he was not racing.
One could well imagine that he would decide to press on with the
intention of getting to the race in time and fix the problem there.  

One would also like to assume that, had he anticipated that his keel
was about to drop off, he would have asked the passing freighter for a
berth.
B.S!
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Radio Checks, was Coast Guard Boating
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:35:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 20661@porthos.cc.bellcore.com, mgsail@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (goldstein,marvin) writes:
> 
> Since 9 is now a hailing channel in most (all?) of the country, doing anything
> more than asking the VOICE to pick/switch to another channel is illegal.  Why
> people don't ask for checks on working channels is beyond me.  
> 


My thought is, saying "loud and clear at (location)" is just as quick, and used 
a whole lot less overall radio time than "pick a channel" or "go to channel xx"
and reestablishing contact on that channel.  For practical purposes, once someone
answers your call for a radio check, 99% of the reason for the check is completed -
you know your transmitter is working.

Jeff Huntington


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