From: aim@csc.liv.ac.uk (Antonis Michailidis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: The Macedonian star
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:56:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <1992Aug31.100503.23300@cs.ruu.nl>, naumoski@cs.ruu.nl (Goce Naumoski) writes:
> 
> In <Btt92D.AwL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
> >hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
> >
> >>In article <1992Aug28.001713.12025@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
> >
> >>> 	I have only one question which is constantly ignored. What the hell
> >>> is the Star of the ancient Makedon kings doing on their flag !!!!
> >
> >>I have a simple question. Lots of flags have stars. What's so special
> >>about this star ?
> >
> > The drawing of this star is different from the stars seen in the other flags.
> > This drawing (of the star) is unique.  It was the symbol of the ancient
>                                 ^^^^^^
> > Macedonians, who were beyond any doubt Greeks.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >>	mark	
> >
> >---> Panos Tamamidis
> >     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> 
> Why the star is used you couldn't find in the papers of the GPM, IMHO, but
> you should try to read some discussions and studies eg. from the Macedonian
> papers, about its choice. But the point is that the star is not UNIQUE. 
> I have no idea (at this moment), but it is used for a very long period of time
> by the University of Utrecht, the Netherlands, as its symbol.

The star was found in Vergina's excavations in the '70s (I do not remember the excact year). The University of Utrecht could have used the same star as its symbol only after the date the star was found.

> 
> BTW, have somebody from the University asked Greece about the copyrights,
> or shouldn't it be vice versa ?

I am sure that you must be really surprised by the fact that the people at the University of Utrecht do not claim that they are Macedonians since they use the star.

>
> Goce.
> 
> PS. Ancient Macedonians were no Greeks, but simply Macedonians. The Greeks
>     for almost 2500 years are trying to Helenize them and are using
>     different tools, but from the 20st years of the 19th century their
>     methods are becoming worse and worse. They have almost done it in
>     the Aegean Macedonia, and now in 1992 they are playing the last game,
>     the final game. But the last game is a little different, the strategy
>     is changed, there is enough Helenization, so let them be anything else.
>     And for the Macedonians it is now: TO BE OR NOT TO BE.

The ancient Macedonians like the ancient Atheneans, the ancient Korinthians,
the ancient Spartans, the ancient Cretans, the ancient Thracians, ... were all Greeks for more than 4000 years. If you visit the museum in Thessaloniki you will be able to see, with your own eyes, the inscriptions on the star written in Greek. This is only one of the numerous PROOFS that the Macedonians we were always Greek. 

If you have ever studied history you should have noticed that the Greek states have always fought each other: Spartans vs. Atheneans, Macedonians vs. Atheneans, Atheneans vs. Cretans, Thebeans vs. Macedonians. Alexander the Great was the first Greek King who united all the Greeks. It was the first king of all the Greeks. 

What you call "Hellenization" of Macedonia is completely false. It is simple, we have always been Hellenes. It is the Slopje who is playing games showing no respect to the Macedonian people. And for Macedonians it is now as it was in the past: WE ARE LIKE ATHENEANS, SPARTANS, CRETANS, THRACIANS, ... GREEKS AND ONLY
GREEKS.
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