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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: precision Re: CLARIFICATION: Translation help, bitte.
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:00:37 GMT
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <lg7u0vINN9gr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber) writes:
>In article <1dt277INNh50@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
>>In article 1dn6tjINNcie@manuel.anu.edu.au, I wrote:

>>>In the course of some research into Middle East history, I need
>>>to interpret the following sentence from German Foreign Ministry
>>>archives (1941):

>>>    Das deutsche Ziel w\"urde dann lediglich die Vernichtung des 
>>>    im arabischen Raum unter der Protektion der britischen Macht 
>>>    lebenden Judentums sein.

>>To elaborate a little, would L have come away with a clear belief 
>>that the Nazis would kill every Jew in Arab lands, or might he
>>have reasonably interpretted those words as just a more forceful
>>way to promise "Beseitigung der nationalj\"udischen Heimat"?
>>(I would consider this to be a feasible interpretation of the
>>English phrase "destruction of the Jewish element" in the context.)
>>Remember: L was NOT a member of the Nazi inner circle.

>    The German text must be interpreted with attention
>    to the historical context in which it was written.

And also to the specific context of the document from which it is 
taken.  As I have pointed out, the text is impossible to make complete
sense of, as we do not know what "dann" refers to.

>    It is clear that the text conveys the intention
>    to commit Vo"lkermord.  

Not clear at all.  The text states that under some contingency (unstated
within the sentence in question) the German goal would be the destruction
of  a particular subset of Jewry.  Whether this means that the Nazis
themselves intended to do this, or that they hoped someone else would do 
it for them, is not addressed at all.

Note that the sentence is cast in the subjunctives.  Intentions are
not generally expressed this way.

>The text is merely the translation
>    (spatial sense, not linguistic sense)
>    into the Middle East region of adolf's well publicized
>    rantings about ,,die Vernichtung der ju"dischen Rasse
>    in Europa''.  

No.  It is not "merely" that.  It is a statement of a contingency
policy regarding a particular political entity.  In the interest of
precision -- I note that you or someone else changed the subject
line -- please take into account what we know of the context of the
document itself.  

To be sure, this would never have been written except for the influence
of Hitler's ideas and his control of Germany; but it is not "merely"
an extention of his speeches and writings.  It is far more than that,
by being a policy statement, and is far less than that, in not addressing
global or philosophical goals and by its qualification via the unresolved
"dann" and the subjunctive.

Roger
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: arebold@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Need Email Address.
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:33:27 GMT
Organization: Clark University

Could anyone tell me how I might email a student at the university in Trier?

Thanks,

Andrew
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Using VISA and MasterCharge (Re: ATM Cards in Germany, Europe)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 10:02:32 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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>>Can I use my ATM card (Star Network) at Banks in Germany?

>If you are really desperate, you can probably use a VISA or MC charge
>card to get a cash advance at many locations but ...

	I was not desperate when I found that the "stuff" I had piled up in 
	the Berlin pawn/antique store cost more than I had cash...
	...so I walked into the small bank at a Berlin corner, asked for
	cash handing them my VISA card, and 30 minutes later I was repacking
	into my suitcase all the "goodies" I had acquired ....

	seemed easy enough, but I haven't done it in very many places all over
	to trust this to work just anywhere in Germany or in Europe ...
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From: lkv@mania.RoBIN.de (Lutz Vieweg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: "antifasch." Historik
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 16:19:22 GMT
 <1992Nov3.220315.4121@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <4068@sapwdf.UUCP>
Organization: The Funny Farm
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In article <4068@sapwdf.UUCP>, Dr Erhard Sanio writes:

> I can assure you that there's no evidence for "antipatriotic"
> school education in Germany, neither now nor in the past.

This is just the opinion of Mr. Sanio - but ask him when he
visited school - hasn't this been a long time ago?

Maybe he has been teached by members of the generation that
did not want to speak about the near past - but I can assure
you that _I_ was eduacated by teachers who thought of
"patriotism" in a very negative way only.

cu, Lutz Vieweg

PS: One thing I'm really curious in, Erhard, what does "S.A.P. AG"
    abbreviate?

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From: maxc0609@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Berndi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German surname
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:53:47 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
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zxmsu01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Joost Schuur) writes:
: In <1992Nov3.184221.1194@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov> kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley) writes:
: 
: >(A remote cousin, who's done a lot of research, suggests Kicheli???)
: 
: How about 'Kiechli' Thats the name of the current Minister of Agriculture,
: Ignaz Kiechli (sp?) and he's form the south of Germany.
: 
  It is "Kiechle".....

----Bernd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Deck)
Subject: Re: "antifasch." Historik
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:34:41 GMT

In article <lfmaqjINN8fh@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>, werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:
|> 
|> 	ach, wisst ihr was ich von allem was Lutz postet halte?!!
|> 
|> Looking for articles to kill...
|> 
|> /^Newsgroups:.*turkish/hj
|> /rossner@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de/h:j
|> /Alexander Rossner/h:j
|> /mstrouck@nyx.cs.du.edu/h:j
|> /Stroucki/h:j
|> /Thorsten Altenkirch/h:j
|> /Heiner Biesel/h:j
|> /Lutz Vieweg/h:j
|> 14640   Junked
|> 14641   Junked
|> 
Mensch Werner, das ist ja ungeheuer interessant.
Jetzt wissen wir endlich, wer die boesen Buben des Usenet sind.
Du musst uns unbedingt mitteilen, wenn sich etwas an Deiner Liste aendert.


Thomas.

PS: Bitte setz mich nicht auch in Dein Killfile. Ich wuerde das seelisch
    nicht verkraften.
From: orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: A Club Band Named Tusk
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:21:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov8.102123.19564
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

A friend of mine has told me about a band he saw in Germany a number
of times. He says the band was named Tusk, and he asked me if they ever
made it big. Has anyone ever heard of this band before? If so, please 
email me at orpheus@reed.edu and let me know.

Thanks for your time,
Theus (orpheus@reed.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Subject: Re: Using US ATM Cards in Germany, Europe
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:33:28 GMT

kiszczuk@bwl.th-darmstadt.de (Orest Kiszczuk  Hiwi BWL2) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.011952.13892@acuson.com> salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons) writes:
>>From: salmons@acuson.com (Dale Salmons)
>>Subject: Using US ATM Cards in Germany, Europe
>>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:19:52 GMT

>>I plan on traveling to German, Austria, and Switzerland next summer.

>>Friends have told me that one can use their
>>ATM cards from American Banks and withdraw money throughout 
>>England and perhaps other parts of Western Europe.  

>I don't exactly know what ATM means but I guess you're talking about
                           ^^^

ATM=Automated Teller Machine, zu Deutsch Geldautomat.

Es gibt hier verschiedene Netze solcher Automaten. Bei uns gibt
es Express Teller, Fastbank... Auf Deiner Karte (Kontokarte) sind die
Logos eingetragen, die einem angeben, wo man Geld erfolgreich abheben
kann (Die Logos sind dann  auch auf dem Geldautomaten aufgefuehrt..
oder auch nicht).

Peter

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich)
Subject: Need info for faq
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 16:58:44 GMT


Hi,

the faq I prommised some time ago is more or less ready (V 0.98). To get to
the first posting (V 1.0) I need some more informations:

1. some ftp servers for german-english wordlists and related stuff
   (ispell wordlists, german-french german-latin german-chinese or
    whatever is out there)

2. some infos about E-mail in germany (CompuServer, BTX, Telebox, PCNET,
   Zerberus, I have some stuff about the MausNet ...)

Thanks and Bye,

     Johannes.
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From: "ernest blaschke" <ernest.blaschke@canrem.com>
Subject: eap
Reply-To: "ernest blaschke" <ernest.blaschke@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:35:32 EST


In <1992Nov7.191028.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>(Till Poser) wrote:

>To give any USAian the correct perspective, the EAP is a direct
>clone of the US-party of Lyndon LaRouche. His wife(?), Helga Zepp-
>LaRouche, was their candidate for Kanzler in the Bundestagswahlen
>at least since '82. They tend to blame everything evil in the world
>on a humongous conspiracy between the Pope, the KGB and the House
>of Windsor (no kidding!).

Never heard of the EAP before. Thanks for the above comment.

The pope, the KGB, and the House of Windsor presumably disliked
one another intensely. I would have loved to attend one of their
meetings, or was all the conspiracy done by e-mail? I wonder who
takes the place of the now defunct KGB in LaRouche's conspiratorial
theory?

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From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Staat und Religion (war R
Date: 31 Oct 92 13:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO

LS>>               Praeambel [des Grundgesetzes]
LS>> Im Bewusstsein seiner Verantwortung vor Gott und den Menschen,

LS>Frechheit, und dann im selben Satz fuer das ganze deutsche Volk sprechen zu
LS>wollen. Sind Atheisten vielleicht keine Buerger, wie das der nette Herr Bush
LS>sieht?

Das ist ja das Letzte. Von wegen Trennung von Kirche und Staat! Ich kann
Lars da nur vollstens zustimmen

LS>Es wird Zeit, in diesem Staat endlich mit der Verquickung von Staat und Kirc
LS>aufzuraeumen. Solange noch Richter einer Kirche das Recht einraeumen, mehr
LS>Laerm zu machen als offiziell erlaubt, haben wir keinen echten Rechtsstaat.
LS>Solange in oeffentlich gefoerderten Schulen von Steuermitteln finanzierter
LS>Religionsunterricht abgehalten wird, solange der Staat fuer ein paar
LS>religioese Organisationen (nicht mal fuer alle) Beitraege eintreibt, solange
LS>es Paragraphen ueber Gotteslaesterung und Diebstahl aus Kirchen gibt, solang
LS>haben wir keinen echten Rechtsstaat.

Der Religionsunterricht sollte durch konfessionsneutralen
Ethikunterricht ersetzt werden. Ich weiss nicht, wie die Rechtslage um
gotteslaesterung ist, aber die Paragraphen sollten keine spezifischen
Hinweise auf die christliche Religion enthalten.

LS>--
LS>Lars Soltau     bang: <insert ridiculously long path>       BIX: -- no bucks

gruss, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Thank god, I'm atheist
                                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: DAs Wetter zum 11.11.
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:05:21 GMT

laut SWF3 war es heute, am 11.11., in Koeln so stuermisch,
dass die Bruecke der A4 ueber den Rhein gesperrt wurde,
weil sie so schoen wackelte.

Ob da all die Jecken geblasen haben?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Subject: Re: Internet
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:55:24 GMT

In <1992Oct31.014638.18222@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mstrouck@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Stroucken) writes:

>Wie ist das in Deutschland: Haben _alle_ Studenten Zugang zum Internet,
>oder nur Informatikstudenten? Hier in Amerika hat so ziemlich
>jeder Zugang.
>MS

Das ist von Uni zu Uni unterschiedlich. Hier in Tuebingen kann sich jeder
Student Internet-Access beschaffen. In anderen Unis bekommen z.T. nicht
mal Informatik-Studenten vollen Net-Access.

(Fuer die Germanisten: Net-Access = Netz-Zugang :-).

-- Cornelius (kein Informatiker).
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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION: Translation help, bitte.
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:43:20 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

 roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:

>How do we get *only* and *solely* into the sentence, for one thing?
>"Lediglich" means "simply" or "merely."  In this case, the former 
>makes more sense.  Worse, "Jewish element" is simply wrong for "Judentum,"
>which means, plainly and simply, "Jewry."  One might say "the Jews"
>as in (b); but "element" has no place here.
>
>What does "dann" mean?  "In that case"?  "Then"?  Can't quite tell from
>the sentence, but the former is suggested by the subjunctive.

	"dann" in this context means "consequently" (as what appears to
	be presented here is an assurance by some German to some Arab
	that (my guess) the Germans want to kick out the British and
	then wipe out all that's Jewish - but without interfering with
	whatever population is under Arab control, and with a hint that
	the Germans might relinquish the lands to the Arabs afterwards.
	Clearly, what we are looking at here seems to be an appeal for
	Arabs to look favorably on the German intentions...)

	did you read my translation, Roger?

>My translation: "In that case, the German goal [Germany's goal] would
		   simply be the annihilation [etc. as in (b)]

	depending on the context of what was being said before and afterwards
	between the parties, it could be either "consequently" (if a temporal
	chain of events is being described) or "in that case" (if a conditional
	sequence of events is hinted at).  It all depends how much the translater
	cares to "verbalize" likely hidden meanings ...

	this kind of translation is difficult to do justice: should the
	tranlator "explain" or be satisfied with leaving the meaning obscure?
	it really depends on the level of cooperation (and shared confidences)
	between translator and the dialogue participants.....

	in my case, I try to "help understand" rather than to provide
	a translation which is open to interpretation by the reader...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: boris@math30.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Boris Hemkemeier)
Subject: Re: "Die Universitaet Bonn Frage"
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:35:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Bielefeld, Germany

In article <8788@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> mxsst1+@pitt.edu (Michael   Stroucken) writes:
   In article <Mew7TVy00WBN46rGEf@andrew.cmu.edu> sl4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Lew) writes:
   >Hat jemand eine idee wenn die Kurse von Mathematik und Physik in die
   >Universitaet gut sind?  Ich habe darueber schon gehoert; sie ist sehr
   >bekannt fuer Mathematik besonders, oder?  
      ---
   >studieren, was soll ich besser machen? Lerne Man tiefer in Bonn, wann
   >die Subjekten Mathematik und/oder Physik sind?

   Also, ich habe noch nie was davon gehoert, dass Unis in Dtl sich in der
   Qualitaet des Unterrichts unterscheiden. Da alle Unis dem Staate angegliedert
   sind, sind auch die Mittel gleich.

Nein, nein. Die Bonner haben nicht nur eine "normale" Fakultaet (mit
einem sehr guten Ruf), sondern auch noch ein Max-Plank-Institut fuer
Mathematik, einen Sonderforschungsbereich der DFG und ein Institut
fuer diskrete Mathematik. Redet man ueber Mathematik, so hat Bonn
schon den besten Namen in Deutschland, aber das ist nur die halbe
Wahrheit. Man muss sich genau ansehen, wie das Fachgebiet innerhalb
der Mathematik, welches einen interessiert an der Uni vertreten ist.

Die Gaeste am Bielefelder Sonderforschungsbereich sagen, dass der
Kontakt der Gastwissenschaftler in  Bonn zu den Studenten besser ist
als in Bielefeld.

PS: Bielefeld macht Spass.


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From: psuan@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Miss B R Hassaram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Singapore Embassy Address (looking for Sophia Siddique)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:20:58 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk


Hi...could anyone help me by giving me the address of the Singapore Embassy
in Germany, and if possible, the name of the Singaporean ambassador. (the
latter is not vitally crucial, but is appreciated)

Personal e mail is preferred....thanks.
                            Bindiya
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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Ulmerbrot und Lebkuchengewuerz
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:01:08 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar) writes:
>It's the time of the year to bake Ulmerbrot and I have no recipe...

	I don't either.  How about "Orignal Muenchner Bierbrot"???

>What ingredients are in Lebkuchegewuerz? Better yet, in what
>proportions? And can I find the equivalent in America?

	yep, right here in Austin.  Proportions I do not know, but you want
	things like Anis, Brauner Zucker, Gruemmel, Honig, Ingwer, Kardamom,
	Muskatbluete, Orangeat, Piment (Nelkenpfeffer), Zimt und Zitronat.

	let's have a baking party or go out to Fredricksburgh to the
	Christkindlmarket, Angela ... ;-)
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From: lbs@tkmhp4.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION: Translation help, bitte.
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:22:29 GMT
Reply-To: lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany

In article <lg4uooINN32l@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:
>	I find it important to explore and establish what collaboration
>	and encouragement the Nazis received EVERYWHERE - and not just
>	in Germany;  too much has been conveniently swept under the
>	carpet', not only in countries occupied by the Nazis (France,
>	Austria, Poland and all the eastern countries come to mind, not

 Try to avoid these sweeping generalizations. Take Poland: do you know
what was the extent of collaboration with the Nazis during WWII? Can you
name organizations and some public figures that collaborated
with the Nazis?

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 Lech Borkowski
lbs@phys.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Using VISA and MasterCharge (Re: ATM Cards in Germany, Europe)
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:52:17 GMT

werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:

>>>Can I use my ATM card (Star Network) at Banks in Germany?

>>If you are really desperate, you can probably use a VISA or MC charge
>>card to get a cash advance at many locations but ...

>	I was not desperate when I found that the "stuff" I had piled up in
>	the Berlin pawn/antique store cost more than I had cash...
>	...so I walked into the small bank at a Berlin corner, asked for
>	cash handing them my VISA card, and 30 minutes later I was repacking
>	into my suitcase all the "goodies" I had acquired ....

Having just returned from a few weeks in good old Germany (where the Autobahns 
no longer work), I used several BankAutomaten to enhance the supply of that
fast disappearing German money in my wallet. I seemed to have no trouble 
except in the old GDR where one was supposed to have an account with the
actual local bank.  No trouble at all in the West. Also in Berlin there was 
money to be had everywhere. 

fred
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wltaylor@wam.umd.edu (William L. Taylor)
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION: Translation help, bitte.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:28:22 GMT

Moment mal, liebe Netniks --

Speaking as a former diplomat, I find this mysterious Nazi
official to be surprisingly transparent, compared to the mealy-
mouthed Quatsch that emanates so regularly from Washington, (and
Bonn, and everywhere else) -- not to mention the double-speak
customary from his own government at that time.  I do agree that
his use of "Ziel" is typically diplomatic: goals cost nothing to
set, they cost effort, money and time to achieve.

But how could anyone, regardless of the year, the context, or the
sandstorm outside, hear the phrase "Vernichtung des im arabischen
Raum ... lebenden Judentums" and not understand it to mean the
destruction of all Jews, their culture, synagogues, property,
etc. in this particular geographic area?  Maybe I'm being obtuse,
but I just don't see much room for misinterpretation.

Also, I think we've overlooked a clue in the original text:
"Vernichtung des ... (dort) LEBENDEN Judentums."  To me, the use
of "lebenden" indicates unambiguously that what's being promised
is the destruction of people, rather than the much vaguer
"Beseitigung des nationaljuedischen Heimats."

In closing, I'd like to second the motion for more
Vergangenheitsbewaeltigung here in the U.S. -- and everywhere
else, for that matter.
From: gt4302c@prism.gatech.EDU (THOMSEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Anerkennung des Ph.D. in Deutschland
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:27:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Ich habe kuerzlich meinen Ph.D. in Elektrotechnik vollendet.
Was muss ich tun um daraus einen deutschen Dr. Ing. zu
machen? Ich erinnere mich, dass dieses Thema 
kuerzlich in dieser newsgroup diskutiert wurde, doch ich habe
die Information nicht gespeichert.
Ich bin noch in Schleswig-Holstein gemeldet, ist die dortige
Behoerde fuer mich zustaendig??
Vielen Dank
Axel Thomsen, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA
thomsen@magnolia.gatech.edu
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Internet: gt4302c@prism.gatech.edu
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