From: wbeakley@dante.nmsu.edu (BEAKLEY)
Subject: Logan and Shatterstar
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:44:15 GMT

rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April) enlighten us with....:

-In article <Bv5xu1.AxK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun) writes:
->barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
->
->>In article <92268.161504EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>, Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

{incidental back articles deleted}

-Hmm...I dunno.  I was under the impression that Shatterstar was holding
-back.  He seemed rather unenthusiastic about the whole thing; my assumption
-was that he figured Wolverine wouldn't really hurt him, and the two of them
-could just spar while the others went after one another.  When I read the
-panel where Logan skewers him, I said to myself, "Gee, I'll bet his last
-thoughts were 'so this is what I get for going easy on him.'":)
-
-Yeah, I know Shatterstar comes from a "warrior caste" and all that, but my
-first instinct was that Shatterstar took Logan on because of the camaraderie
-he felt for him, working on the unspoken assumption that he wouldn't kill a
-"fellow warrior".  And even if he wasn't, he was probably still holding back.
-I don't think any of the X-Force counted on the X-Men to try to actually 
-_kill_ them, just try to bring them in.

If you go back and re-read X-Force 16, Logan says "S'ok kid, just means
the claws'll be used for real".
That seems to make it fairly clear that Wolverine would have no problems
killing Shatterstar ("Lore Wolveine, forgive my trespass!  But a cadre
warrior prefers death to capture")
I don't think Shatterstar was holding back, he might have actually thought
of this as a 'once in a lifetime opportunity' to face a legend on his
homeworld.

->I thought that the writers did a good job of setting this series up
->so X-Force has a good reason not to go back to the X-Fold with
->Chuck and the rest of the gang. I mean, they do 0 bad things and
->X-Factor and X-Men come and kick their butts and try to kill them. 
->Gee, a little overreaction on their part, I think. Rogue 
->PUNCHING Boom-Boom? Hehe..gee, that's called for. Yeah, I have
->the power of Miss Marvel and a weak person is a viable target.
-
-No kidding.  It would've been much easier for Rogue to just give Boom-Boom
-the patented Ben Grimm Love Tap (tm, patent pending) with one finger and
-knock her cold.  You could say she was already pulling her punches, but
-even so, there's only so much you can hold back!

OH C'MON....tell me you didn't enjoy seeing that arrogant little bitch
get slapped around?!  Boom-Boom has been asking for a good take down
for ages now!  She's always been too cocky and too self-assured of her
powers.  It's about time she got whomped!  My only complaint is that it
hasn't come sooner (but with Robbie doing plots, what do you expect?!)

->OH, and from above:
->
->c) Cable would get real pissed and kill his dumb butt. Hmm.
->Telekinetic powers and firearms.. Mentally hold up one snarling,
->grunting psycho and add lead to season. A recipe for a better 
->Marvel universe.
-
-Feh.  I would much prefer to see them turn him back into a decent character.
-Saves money on reloads.

Also saves money on cleaning up afterwards.  I think an all-out fight
between Cable and Wolverine would probably end up trashing every large
city within a 50 mile radius (this IS Marvel after all).  But if they
had the right people doing the plot (Claremont), a decent penciller
(Capullo did OK with X-Force 16), and if they banished Tom DeFalco
and Bob Harris from the Marvel building while they did it, it might 
turn out OK.

**************************************************************************
William G. Beakley				will@freedom.nmsu.edu
766 Creed Ave					cyclops@acca.nmsu.edu
Las Cruces, NM, USA 				wbeakley@dante.nmsu.edu
88005-1263					U5633618@helen.nmsu.edu
**************************************************************************
Is there anybody listening?
Is there anyone who smiles without a mask?
What's behind their words??
Images they know will please us!
I'll take what's real
Bring up the lights.
	Queensryche - "Anybody Listening?"
**************************************************************************