From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: TWISTED LOGIC!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:07:41 -0800
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In article <18DEC199217413519@zeus.tamu.edu> 
crr4574@zeus.tamu.edu (LARUE, CHARLES L.) writes:

> What species has members that engage in exclusively homosexual behavior? 

Who cares?

> Or are there any examples of animals which mate for life engaging in 
> exclusive homosexual behavior? 

Who cares?

> If there are, give me some solid references.  I don't have a closed
> mind, I just believe that the animal example is ridiculous for the reasons I
> have stated.
>     I do believe that homosexuality is wrong. 

Didn't you just write that you "don't have a closed mind"?
But you are right: the animal example *is* ridiculous.  Show
me a non-human animal species that has produced a Franz Schubert
or a Lana Turner, and then I might pay attention to these appeals
to animal behavior studies.

> Tell me why I am wrong to believe this.

Tell me first what you mean by writing that homosexuality is "wrong".
  
> Tell me why I have no right to this opinion.

You have the right to hold any opinion, no matter how stupid,
no matter how ill-informed.

> Before you judge me as a gay bashing homophobe, let me assure you 
> that I am not trying to bash you.  I just do not understand
> you and I think many times you distort facts to justify your behavior.

I don't justify my behavior to anyone.

>     Another example of this which comes to mind is the study which 
> said that roughly 10% of the population is gay.  I do not have this 
> article, but I would like to read it.

Ummm, it's not an article.  It's the original Kinsey report, 
first published in 1948.

>  I cannot imagine any place in the country where 10% of the 
> people are gay. 

Why don't you come visit me?  I live in West Hollywood, where
over 30% of the population is gay or lesbian.  The tenants in my 
apartment building there are: a single gay man; two single gay 
roommates; a gay couple; two straight stewardesses; a single gay 
man; a bull dyke with a revolving bedroom door; a single lesbian.
The apartment building next door on one side is 100% gay, and the
building on the other side (with about 40 units) is easily 75%
gay or lesbian.  It's like this throughout my neighborhood.  In
fact, if you're walking on my street and you're *not* speaking
Russian or Yiddish, you're almost certainly a dyke or a faggot.

> I probably know several thousand people and I know damn well 
> 10% of them aren't gay.

I can't say that my circle of friends and acquaintances is as
large as yours, but of the 50 or so people I socialize with
on any regular basis, only 5 or 6 are straight.

> I know several who are but I would say no more than
> 1%.  Do any of you actually believe this 10% figure?

No, I don't believe it.  I think the percentage of men who
self-identify as homosexual is probably closer to 3 or 4.
But what does it matter?

> If you do, I would have to say move back to reality and out 
> of la-la land.  

And move where?  *Texas*?  I'd rather set myself on fire
than live in Texas.

>     By the way, I am very comfortable with my own sexuality, so don't
> try that latent homosexual copout.

That's nice.

>  This is not meant to put anyone down,

But of course it isn't.

> I just think this echoes how the general population feels. 

Ah.  I see.

> I also feel that you need solid references if you want to be taken 
> seriously.

Solid references?  Take it from me (and who would know better?): I 
have always been, am now, and will always be a homosexual. 

Arne

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