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Subject: Re: Roemenia Elections??
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:09:00 GMT
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>
>A friend of mine from Roemenia is convinced that there have been recently some
>elections in his country. He is very, very interested about knowing more
>of the results of these elections.
>
>Does anybody on this list have any information about this?? (I hope
>y'all consider Roemenia as a Middel European country ??)
>
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>( Peter Lambrechts (Flanders-Belgium)           MKPHL@UMSVM   (Bitnet) )
>
> <blablabla> ....
>

<If he would have followed the news he would have found out:
 I'm convinced that the belgian media didn't completely ignore this ... >

There were in deed elections (presidential elections to be precise).
In order to win, 50% of the votes were necessary.
The ex-communist and current president Ion Iliescu got about 46%,
the candidate of the united opposition sth. more than 30%.
There will be another vote 2 weeks later. Then the strongest candidate will win
(no matter which percentage he would get).
The result is a little bit insane, since Romania is struggling with economic
difficulties, and Iliescu is definitely not the man who would take into
consideration reforms and restructuration that exceeds pure cosmetics.

BTW: does your friend have e-mail access ? I do know somebody who would like it
very much to get in contact with other people who can speak Romanian. If your
friend is interested, please get in contact with me by private mail.

   Regards

      auge

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Guenther Augustin, Heidelberg, Germany (BITNET: AUGUSTIN@DHDMPI5V)
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From:         Stan Brunn <BRUNN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CS Split

Thanks for the clarification on the voting. I trust if there is a referendum th
at those on the network will be apprised of the wording, date, etc. StanBrunn
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:32:00 EDT
From:         Zoli Fekete <FEKETE@BCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Teaching English in Central Europe

I forward this from soc.culture.magyar:

From:         SANDOR PAPP <STEFAN@UCSFVM>

Re your question about English teaching program in Hungary.  As I
promised earlier here comes a brief description of a program called LEED
(Languge for Eastern European Development). This foundation was
established in 1991 as a non-profit organization dedicated to improving
the quality and scope of tecnical English language training in Central
and Eastern Euprope. In 1992-93, LEED will initiate three projects.
1. The English for special purposes project.
2. The professional development project.
3. The local goverment intership project.
Projects are carried out by Americans selected for their academic and proffesio
nal backgrounds in business, law, and the applied sciences.
For further further information please contact:
Dirk Kincannon, President, Western District
1750 Taylor St., San Francisco, CA
(415)982-5333
Yours truly, Sandor Papp
P.S. They have a NY office as well
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:58:03 EDT
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: history

>Posted on 1 Oct 1992 at 19:57:37 by LEBIEN@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU
>
>Can anyone tell me if this listserv may be of value to someone in
>a humanities course on Medieval, Barogue and Enlightenment or
>Renaissance time periods?

Yes, probably "baroque", but with a small "b".   H.K.
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From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: hungarian "fans"
              92 1:02 pm

>
> J.G.Frajkor forwarded this mail :
> >Passing on the following cross posts from the Hungarian Mailing list.
>
> >>From @vm.utcs.utoronto.ca:HUNGARY@UCSBVM.BITNET Wed Sep 30 09:16:48 1992
> >>From: "(Peter A. Nemenyi)" <nemenyi@OXYGEN.APS1.ANL.GOV>
> >>Subject:      Re: Slovak-world
>
> >> So why can the little people be blamed for what the big-ones have done
> >>and beat them up by commando units?
> >>Europe is becoming a very sad place and it is heartbreaking to see that all
 of
> >>the unresolved problems of the pre-First WW. is showing its ugly face again.
> >>It would be nice to see peace and understanding among all of those people
 once
> >>and for all.
>
> >>Peter Nemenyi
> ... beat them by comando units.In my opinion - and surely,most people which
> were present on this match (I mean the football match Slovan-Ferencvaros)-
> they were not beaten because of they are Magyars,but simply because their
> behavior was similar to the behavior of wild beasts.Skinheads of this sort
> deserve it.No difference,if they come from Prague,Bratislava,Budapest,
> Liverpool... .Just remember the massacre in Brusel.It is sad to label these
> vandals as innocent victims of politics or nationalism.
>
>
>                              Anton Pevala
>

Violence at hockey games or soccer/football games are not to be
condoned. I do wonder, however, if Mr. Pevala was personally present and
could testify to having witnessed behaviour by the Hungarian fans
that would merit their massive beating by the Slovakian police; I
found it curious that none of the reports mentioned any assaults on
misbehaving Slovak fans. Were there none of these? Curious, to say the least.

Mr. Pevala's interpretation goes against several reports I have seen.
AK
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From:         FALK2399@DS0RUS54.BITNET
Subject:      Mr Gorbachev,tear the wall down!

So he did. And from the beginning of the next year on the Russians will be free
to travel abroad any time. Today the Stuttgarter Zeitung estimates 20 million
travellers are going to enjoy the freedom at once. What will be the response
of the host countries?

Regards,

M. Havranek, Stuttgart, FRG
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:57:37 -0700
From:         LEBIEN@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU
Subject:      history

Can anyone tell me if this listserv may be of value to someone in
a humanities course on Medieval, Barogue and Enlightenment or
Renaissance time periods? And, are there any other listservs or
other online resources that pertain to these time periods in Europe?
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From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Teaching English in Central Europe

I know that it is popular for recent college graduates to go to Czechoslovakia
to teach English.

But I wonder if it is also popular for them to go to either Poland or
Hungary.

Does anybody know?  Or has anyone gone to either of these countries to
teach English?  Or does anyone know someone who has gone?

I would appreciate hearing from anyone with experience along this line.

Thank you.


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                                 | Computers in Business & Education.
Just returned from teaching      | Education:  Curriculum development.
Czech teachers of English        |    International Education, TEFL.
in Prague, Czechoslovakia.       | Central Europe:  Post revolution
Now looking for a job in Europe. |    economic, social, political
                                 |    changes and opportunities.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:22:51 -0400
From:         "(George Frajkor)" <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Education

  I am re-sending this article posted by Andy Sudol since it appears
there was a strange error we have not yet been able to track down and
it is bouncing back from many sites . If you did get it, I apologize
for the duplication.  if not,  here it is.

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This article appears in the Sept. 30 issue of The Chronicle of Higher Ed-
ucation.  It's being posted here without permission.

Slovakia's new education minister has promised to "apoliticize" education
in the soon-to-be independent part of Czechoslovakia.

Matus Kucera, a former professor of history at Comenius University in
Bratislava, was sworn in this month as Slovak Minister of Education, Youth,
and Sport.

Czechoslovakia is planning to split into two independent countries in January.
Critics have warned that the government of Slovakia, the small eastern
republic, has already shown some undemocratic tendencies.

Those fears were heightened this month by the action of Slovakia's former
acting education minister, Dusan Slobodnik, who is currently Minister of
Culture.  He dismissed Anton Hajduk from his post as rector of Trnava
University, a new teacher-education collegethat is scheduled to open its
doors next month.

Mr. Hajduk, who had been appointed to the post by former Czechoslovak
President Vaclav Havel, rejected his firing and asked the courts to intervene
in the case.

In the confrontation that followed, Minister Slobodnik had the locks to the
rector's office changed in an effort to keep Mr. Hajduk out.  Mr. Slobodnik
appointed a new rector, with whom the university staff refused to cooperate.
The same reception was given to a second replacement rector.

A vice-rector has now taken control at the institution until the courts and
the new education minister sort things out.  Officials say the university will
open as scheduled.

Mr. Kucera, the new education minister, said in an interview with a Slovak news
paper that he would continue the process of decentralizing the university
system.

The education system of his new country, he said, needs "more democracy,
autonomy, openness, and plurality of views."
     --- end of article

My questions:  Henry, is this new Slovak Minister of Education a relative
of yours?
   Can anyone out there send me the mailing address for the Slovak Ministry
of Education, Youth, and Sport?  (postal or, better yet, Email)?

Ahoj,
Andy Sudol
From: NPRESTON@SUVM.BITNET
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Subject: job announcement
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:37:50 GMT
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Job Description

Network Information Specialist

The ERIC Clearinghouse on Information Resources seeks a temporary,
full-time Network Information Specialist to run a service called ASK
ERIC.  This special project is being funded by the U.S. Department of
Education to examine the need for and the nature of information
services delivered over the Internet.  The project will run from
October 15, 1992 - March 31, 1993.

Duties will include helping to plan the service and announcing it on
selected state networks; using the ERIC database, online resources,
and other materials to respond to user inquiries within 48 hours;
coordinating with other ERIC Clearinghouses to route inquiries
according to subject matter; and collecting data to track inquiries
and responses.  Work will be performed at the Clearinghouse on a
full-time schedule (37 1/2 hours a week) to be set with input from
the candidate.

Salary:  $11,320.83 for the 5.5 month appointment.

Qualifications:  A master's degree in library science, information
resources management, educational technology, or computer science
(masters candidates will be considered); knowledge of the Internet
and experience using electronic mail.  Desired: knowledge of other
Internet functions, experience in handling user inquiries,
familiarity with the field of education, and familiarity with ERIC.

To apply, send a letter and resume to:

     ERIC Clearinghouse on Information Resources
     Attn:  Nancy Preston
     030 Huntington Hall
     Syracuse University
     Syracuse, NY 13244-2340


Inquiries welcome:  (315) 443-3640; NPRESTON@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU

Syracuse University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action
Employer
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:33:21 CDT
From:         "(Arch Slide Library)" <slides@ced.berkeley.edu>
Subject:      Re: Hunt release date
              "@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU:PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET" at Sep 30, 92 4:16 pm

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
What is an internet hunt?
Why do we want to hunt?
Do we have better chances of winning if we start at midnight?
What do we win?
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Due to requests that I give the Net advance warning of the next
> release of the Internet Hunt, please note the following:
>
> ***************************************************************
> *                                                             *
> *                   THE NEXT INTERNET HUNT                    *
> *               (coming to a network near you)                *
> *                                                             *
> *                  Midnight (PST), Sept 30                    *
> *                                                             *
> ***************************************************************
>
> Be there.
>
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:15:35 CDT
From:         "(Lee Jaffe,
              Microcomputer & Network Services)" <jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu>
Subject:      Re: Dead trees and humanities

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>The question I was trying to raise in my orignal article was:  what is the
>intrinsic value added to abstract information by virtue of its being in a
>printed, as opposed to any other form?

I've generally not been too impressed with the aesthetic arguments supporting
the viability of the codex as a medium.  After all, if that's the best
reason we can provide, then the book is in a very precarious position.

However, hearing Geoffrey Nunberg speak last spring (?) during the National
Library of France seminar, I heard some of the first interesting points
in this debate.  (Basically, he ripped up both sides of the debate very
eloquently and I'm only highlighting the relevant points.)  To illustrate
the bookish quality of the novel, he quoted from Jane Austen where she
referred readers to the few pages remaining as an indication of the swift
completion of the story.  I can think of quite a few other texts that
use the page and the physical book as part of the story telling.  One of
my favorties is Tristram Shandy where Stern substitutes one page with a
slab of marble and in another section, explains that one passage was so
good that it shamed everything else he had written and therefore tore the
page out.  Nunberg pointed out that the physical artifact of the book is
directly related to the material it contains.  The size of the book is an
indication of the length of the work.  Your physical place in the book is
an indication of how much you have left to read.  My own sense of these
points is that the novel was developed and flourished during an era of
cheap print and growing literacy.  The genre is married to the medium.
Sure, James Joyce might have chosen to write Finnegan's Wake in hypertext
if it had been available, but it wasn't and he didn't.  He wrote a book.

For the sake of brevity, I'll leave it here.

-- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz
   jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu
From: kclelan1@cc.swarthmore.edu
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Subject: Re: Thanks for Soviet Archives information
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:14:55 GMT
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        Thank you, all who sent information about the Soviet Archives.
        We're all set, and I saved the files in case anyone still needs
        the address and structure.  Will gladly share in the spirit of
        PACS-L, Internet, and open scholarly communication.

        Kate Cleland
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:21:32 CDT
From:         kclelan1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Subject:      Soviet Archives online - still available?

Please respond to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

        I erroneously trashed an unread message about this yesterday,
        now I need it!  Are the Soviet Archives still available online,
        if so, what is the E-mail address?

        If they are not available online, are they "archived" somewhere
        electronically with either free or fee access?  Please advise
        by direct message to kclelan1@cc.swarthmore.edu.
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From:         "(Arch Slide Library)" <slides@ced.berkeley.edu>
Subject:      Re: October Internet Hunt
              "kclelan1@cc.swarthmore.edu" at Oct 5, 92 3:15 pm

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I hope you post HOW you got the answers.  Then I might
be able to try a future hunt.Thanks
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>         I hope you will post answers to the current hunt after the
> deadline.
>         #10, especially,  would be good to know.  I'm not yet a channel in
>
>         the Gopher warren, so I'll abstain from the chase for the time
>         being.  Thanks.
>
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From: LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET (Public-Access Computer Systems Forum)
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Subject: Comments on Gutenberg Newsletter
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:34:49 GMT
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From: bkatz@cosy.uoguelph.ca
Subject: on Gutenberg Ne

Ernest Perez, U of Texas at Dallas, has come close to the mark re Michael
Hart's unusual restrictive "copyright notice".  Though I'm not as familiar
with the U.S. law as I am with Canadian copyright legislation, I would say
that issuing his message on a list that is wide open for membership is tan-
tamount to publication (defined in Canadian law as "issuing copies to the
public" - not necessarily for payment in return).  Thus Hart's words are
published and should come under the general rules of copyright.  Even those
who join PACS-L after his message has been issued are permitted to retrieve
it from the archived files, merely by being joined to the list.  So I view
Hart as being within his "rights" re copying his messages to other lists or
even storing them in more than one place as a member -- presumably one can
store one copy, as the copy or meta-copy actually received.  And presumably
by virtue of joining the list and issuing a message Hart is in agreement with
this AND with the archiving process that takes place within the list's opera-
tion.  BUT, there's no way he can prevent me from showing anyone that copy of
his messages that I hold in my "file" (on my shelf) that was issued to me!
Bernard Katz, U of Guelph Library
              Guelph, Ontario
bkatz@cosy.uoguelph.ca
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From: "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" <GRAHAM@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject: BBS and copyright

PEMMONS@WCU makes some comments in the recent article "comments on Gutenberg
Newsletter", i.e.:
>
>Before one can register on any responsibly run computer BBS, one must read and
 acknowledge a disclaimer to the effect that the BBS carries NO PRIVATE
 MESSAGES. There is a standard paragraph of legalese covering this which a
 sysop had better present to all his callers or risk liability, thanks to
 Congress and the FCC.<

I'm not familiar with such legalese; could he expand a bit on that, with
references, please?
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From:     <KINGH@SNYSYRV1>
Subject:  RE: Comments on Gutenberg Newsletter

I believe you can quote anything from a public forum, just as you can quote
from a book.  Any of us can choose to quote Mike or paraphrase his messages --
copyright or no copyright.  PACS-L is an electronic discussion open to the
public on the public record.  What would newspaper reporters think of a
candidate who gave a speech but said that no one could quote him until he
gave his or her permission because the speech had to be "polished up" first?

Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library at Syracuse
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:17:46 CDT
From:         "Leatherbury, Maurice" <LIBMCLLS@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Full-text database standards

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
An article in the October, 1992 issue of DBMS (vol. 5, no. 11) by Joe
Celko brought to my attention another group that is working on standards
for full-text databases.  Mr. Celko is a member of the ANSI X3H2 Database
Standards Committee and on p. 12 of his article he makes the following
statement:
   We still need to get and SC3 [a new-project form] for a project
   on full-text databases (a.k.a. textbases or document bases)...
   Another group already concerned with textbases is the National
   Information Standards Organization (NISO...)  NISO is also
   the ANSI Z39 committee and it already has a draft for a full-
   text query language, but we are ignoring it and have no liaison
   with the organization.  I have no idea why this redundancy
   exists, unless it is because NISO is the library and information
   group and doesn't have the big computer software companies
   behind it.  If NISO doesn't object, X3H2 will simply take over
   textbases completely.

Do any of the Z39 members have any perspectives on this and what
are its implications for the library and information community?

Maurice Leatherbury
School of Library and Informational Science
University of Missouri-Columbia
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:19:35 CDT
From:         Bernie Sloan <AXPBBGS@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      CD Interactive

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 I was in a consumer electronics store yesterday, and when it came
 time to leave I went looking for my son Sam. I found him playing
 around with a Compact Disc-Interactive (CD-I) workstation. While
 he was playing a demo golf game, the brochure noted that the system
 had other applications, including educational.

 I have to confess to not knowing a whole lot about the technology,
 but it did make me wonder what kind of applications CD-I might have
 for information technology and libraries. Is there someone out there
 in PACS-L land who might be able to address this?

 Bernie Sloan