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From: mryan@stsci.edu (Mary Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Finding a Kennel
Keywords: (was: Philly Kennel)
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:05:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute


I live 100 miles from Philadelphia, so I can't recommend a kennel there, but
I have some general comments. 

To find a good kennel: ask lots of dog owners, and visit the kennels.  I did 
not like some of the kennels that people recommended to me.   If your dog is
large and energetic, you want a kennel with spacious outdoor runs.  If your
dog is old and infirm, you want a kennel that will keep him/her warm and
comfortable.  Some kennels just lock the dog in a concrete-floored pen and 
hose it out every day.

The kennel I use was recommended by a co-worker who said, "My dogs come home
happy, not hyper."  It is a small kennel (40 pens) and it is about 20 miles
outside the city on a large property, in a semi-rural area.  The woman that
runs it pays attention to the dogs' temperament.  She puts my dog in an
outdoor run next to another "fence-runner" so they can get plenty of exercise.
She puts the older, quieter dogs next to each other.  At night (and also 
during the hottest part of the day in summertime) they go into pens inside 
a big barn.  She charges slightly more than the other kennels, but it's
worth it.  

Mary Ryan				mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
From: mm@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Michael Mahler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Malinois (Re: ? Dutch Shepherd ?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:33:14 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro, MA.

In article sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>
>It's not a breed, really -- in that the Dutch don't care about pedigree
>or conformation.  They say, "when a dog bites, his looks are unimportant".
>At the NKPD trials, in the Netherlands, I saw a lot of Malinois/GSD mixes,
>a few with a little Bouvier thrown in, etc.

	I believe the Holland police favor Malinois so you're
	probably right.

>Probably a Malinois/GSD/Tervuren mix.  Nasty dogs. Woof.  It's fun to
>watch them overtake a fleeing bad-guy and take him out of his bicycle seat.
>Very high energy, lotta drive, and *not* a pet.

	...and WICKED fast.  They are used in a (French) sport,
	forget the name, where they slam into dudes wearing bite-type
	suits.  They use their shoulders to knock them off their feet.
	Mind you these dogs aren't very large and the power they have
	is like a horse.

	The breeder (now friend) I got my GSD from had an x-police 
	(Holland) trained Malinois.  What a fierce looking/acting
	bastard this stud was.  There was a piece of CDX type sheet plywood
	hanging down by ropes, temporarily dividing the long run
	so they could keep another dog in the other side (another Malinois,
	more of a pet quality since it was a sweetheart bitch).
	Today, the sheey was hoisted since the other dog had it's own
	run now.  They kept the runs housed in fencing so people walking
	buy wouldn't agitate the dog.  When he opened the fence gate
	so you could see the dog in the run, he was hanging by
	his teeth on the sheet plywood (there were chunks missing -
	his teeth had steel caps) and swinging back and forth while
	staring at us.  So then Lee says, 

	"Stand back about 50 yards and I'll let him out."  

	"Yeah, right.  You outa your fucking mind?"

	"It's ok, just stand there and don't stare at the dog or
	move towards me, just look at my direction."

	(About then he goes to open the steel gate and I was 
	wondering if I had another pair of underwear in my car.)

	The dog stayed on the plywood when he opened the gate.
	So Lee goes about 10 yards back from the gate:

			Dog
		Lee			           M...m...m...m...me.
	
	He gives the dog a command and the dog runs out of the
	cage, over to Lee and stands on his hind legs, with
	one leg on his front and one on his back (hugging him).
	The whole time he was staring at me and snarling.  No
	barking, just raised lips, steel teeth, tail straight up
	and eyes glaring.

	I would have paid about $4,000,000 for a bite suit right
	about then and to tell you the truth, I don't think it
	would have mattered.

	Michael
-- 
"I can't believe I threw up in front of the Prime Minister."
"Face it George, you threw up ON the Prime Minister"
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Opinions expressed by me are not endorsed by Stratus Computer unless noted.
From: trytten@laurium.cps.msu.edu (Deborah Trytten)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Has anyone ever...
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:20:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Michigan State University, CPS Department

In article <631@aardvark.Rain.COM>, shawn@Aardvark.Rain.COM (Shawn Allen) writes:
|> I feel very guilty about this situation, but I have to ask
|> 
|> Has any one ever had to have thier dog "sat" for an extended 
|> period of time?

Cali stayed with my parents for 3 months while I worked in France.  It
sounds like a very similar situation to yours.  He adores my parents,
and they adore him.  They're also home all day, unlike me.

Cali loved it. They have a large backyard and doggie door and two
other dogs.  He got fat (hand fed treats from Dad), and a little
matted (Mom isn't much of a sheltie groomer), but he was just fine.

When I got home, he was *so* happy.  I was afraid he wouldn't ever be
my dog again.  Wrong.  He was so glad to be home with me.  He loved
being the center of attention instead of just one of the pack.   He 
still likes to go and visit my parents (but only if I stay there too).

I list the night I returned from France as being one of the happiest of
Cali and my times together.  He was so excited.  He was running around in
circles, barking his head off.  He wanted to play every game he knew.
Everytime he would catch a glimpse of me, he'd bark his happy excited bark,
and do a couple of quick circles.  This lasted for a couple of hours.
Then we cuddled up together in bed.  I remember hearing his tail bouncing
off the bed as he wagged while I was petting him.  I was so happy to see
that he was still my dog.  And he was so happy to have me back.

The net result: no harm done.  My parents, however, were very sorry to
see him leave.  They really adore my pointy nosed baby.  

Incidentally, I hated being without a dog.  I'll never be without a dog
again.  In fact, one of the main reasons for me getting Sammy was so
that I would never have to be dogless again.  I think you'll find that
you miss your dog more than the dog misses you.

Debby
trytten@cps.msu.edu
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Akita puppy
Date: 14 Apr 1992 15:47:55 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Light is sweet and it pleases the eyes to see the sun. Ecclesiastes 11:7) writes:

>We fed Spencer adult dog food when he was a puppy.  Our breeder recommended it.
>A lot of breeders of large dogs suggest that this is a way to slow down the
>growth so that their hips have a chance to develop thus diminishing the threat
>of hip dysplasia.

Hills, who does a lot of research into pet nutrition, recommends
feeding restricted quantities of puppy food, even to large-breed
puppies.  This was coming from a research orthapedic specialist who is
employed by Hills.  The problems with the extreme growth rates in
large breeds can be countered using this method and still get the dog
the increased nutrition needed for normal growth.  They recommend
feeding the puppy 2/3 of what he will eat if he is free fed.  They
also recommend 3 feedings up to the age of 6 months, and then cutting
back to 2 meals per day.  Their research has shown that this reduced
quantity diet will allow the dog to obtain his genetic potential in
size, but he will be lean instead of being an imitation of the GoodYear 
blimp.

I've said this before, but it seems to bear repeating.  Dog nutrition
seems to be almost as much a religion as it is a science.  The breeder
I'm buying a puppy from feeds 1/2 Purina Pro-Plan and 1/2 Pedigree to
her puppies.  Another kennel I talked to while looking for a puppy
cooks their own food, and yet another highly recommends Nutro Max.
Thumbing through the Rottweiler Quarterly yields breeders using Eagle,
Purina Pro Plan, Science Diet, Nature's Recipe, Natrual Life, Nurto
Max and several others.  I'm convinced that even if you can find the
best food for one dog it may or may not be the best food for the next
one.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: wagner@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New animal wefare group?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:16:35 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill


Which article of the Constitution covers the
right to free enterprise?  :)

Mike
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:52:38 GMT
Followup-To: misc.religion

In <kujhogINNqhk@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> primeaux@duncan.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux) writes:

>In article <167C89A49.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:



PLEASE TAKE THIS TO MISC.RELIGION!

Thank you very much,
--CIndy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore -- anxiously awaiting lab puppy in mid-June.

Currently working on rec.pets.dogs FAQ.  Now in seven parts, preliminary
versions of five parts have been posted.  Anticipated "official" posting
(crossposted to news.answers and archival at FTP site) in early May.
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Looking for Philly kennels
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:09:59 GMT

In article <shfb0INNcal@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
>
>
>     Anybody know of any good places to board dogs in the Philly area?  We
>tried a local vet but were not happy.  I'd appreciate e-mail or posting --
>though this may not be of general interest.  How does one go about finding
>a good kennel, anyway?
>

I have seen others ask this question in the past, and no one has 
mentioned the ABKA (I think this is the right acronym...it stands for
the American Boarding Kennel Ascociation).  It is based in Colorado
Springs.  I used this organization, in part, to choose my kennel.
If you write to them (or call them), they will send you a small
packet of information.  One part is a bookelet on how to choose a
kennel, and another part is a list of all ABKA accredited kennels
around the country.

If there is interest, I'll post the address and phone number for
others to use (I don't have it with me, but I can easily
get it).  Has anyone else heard of this group?

If there is interest, I can post their list of what to look for
in a kennel, that sort of thing.  Basically, if you go to an ABKA
kennel, they are supposed to meet a minimum set of criterion
that is spelled out in their literature.  The things they suggest
you look for and questions to ask involve a lot of common sense
stuff, but there were some things that I would not have thought
to ask had I not seen it in their list...

srlee@beta.lanl.gov




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From: kudzu@tfs.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Vicious dog definition
Keywords: vicious
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:18:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.142211.1737@newshost.lanl.gov> 
	crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:

>= 	Any dog not licensed according to state, city or town law.
>[...]
>
>I disagree with the inclusion of licensing under the definition of
>vicious dogs.  Regardless of your views of dog-licensing, failure
>to have a license does *not* affect a dog's disposition.  My own
>view is that licensing is a revenue-collection scheme (much like
>speeding tickets :) and should be a separate regulation.  As I said
>earlier, the rest seems sensible.

First of all, dog licensing is mainly to provide assurance of Rabies
vaccination.  The category of "vicious" is merely a title that provides
for special forms of relief under the law.  

In California, you are liable for what your dog does no matter whose
fault it is.  You may be able to reduce your liability because some
burglar was bitten while committing a crime, and could reasonably 
expect something bad to happen (BEWARE OF DOG), but you'll still bear
some liability.  

Heck, you can't even shoot burglars with impunity in CA. Might violate
their civil rights. :-)
-- 
Michael Sierchio                               TRW Financial Systems
kudzu@tfs.com                                     1947 Center Street
                                             Berkeley, CA 94704-1105
(MKS2)                                                  510.704.3380
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From: richie@lambada.engin.umich.edu (Staney Dharmakusuma)
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:54:52 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: richie@lambada.engin.umich.edu


According to my vet, tatooes do not help so much in
finding a lost dog, since tatooes can be difficult to read
and they can fade through time.
However, I agree that they are better than nothing.

I believe many of us have heard of those implanted IDs.
I understand that they are not popular at all in the US, while
they are very popular in Canada.
I wonder if we can do something to popularize these IDs, since they
are much better than tatooes. 

Does anynody have any suggestions?
I am very concerned about the large numbers of stolen dogs and
the limited ways to get them back.

Carol, I am very sorry about your puppy. I really
hope you'll find him soon.


Staney
From: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: BARKING DOGS
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:16:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.00959329.8C2A1C80
Reply-To: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

JUST BECAUSE MY DOGS ARE OUTSIDE DOES NOT MEAN THEY BARK ALOT.
Infact when my dogs do bark there is a problem and I check it out.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bds@maui.linus.mitre.org (Barry D. Smith)
Subject: long haired German Shepard?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:40:23 GMT

My puppy started class the other day (he's so cute sitting there
trying to do good things with all those other dogs around him -- but
that's another story).  One of the dogs in the class is a 3 year old
long haired German Shepard.  Its owner said the father was from
Germany, where long haired Shepards are recognized, even though the
AKC doesn't recognize them here (this is similar to what is happening
with long haired Weimaraners).  I can say the dog was beautiful, with
significantly longer and finer hair than any German Shepard I've ever
seen.  He also had the largest paws I've seen on any dog (reminded me
of the paws I once saw on a full grown Grizzly).  Does anyone know
anything about these dogs?  I'm just interested because I've never
seen one before.  Thanks.

Barry Smith
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bradav@auto-trol.com (Brad Davidson)
Subject: Kennels
Originator: bradav@bradav
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:03:37 GMT

I tried to send mail but it did not make it through.

As for Bailey's Question about building a kennel, I will give you
my experiences from dealing with weight pulling dogs.

First lets understand the strenght of a dog.

A dog in good shape can pull a drag that is 6 times the dogs body weight.
That is an average and all weight pulling dogs are well above that average.

As for building a kennel for a strong dog.

I would use 7' chain, sink it about 6 " into the concrete pad.

I finish the pad with a smooth finish so that the dogs can get the traction
to use thier strength.

The weakest point of the kennel is going to be gate.

Make sure the fabric in the gate can not be forced out of place at the
    corners, bottom or top.  I like the chain link welded to the frame but
    that even failed me once.

As for the top I use 1 1/2" staples to attach the chain to 2 X 6 spanning
    the top.  For shade I use 2 x 10 and 2 x 8 for the 2 x 6 and green
    fiberglass panels.  This gives enough slope so that water and snow slide
    off.

The problems that weight pullers have is dogs pulling the fabric out of
    the gate or the gate getting bent out of postition so most have a high
    and low latch that the dog can not open.  Then are also indepentant latchs
    so that opening one does not open both.  And even dog proof latches can
    be opened by smart dogs.

Brad Davidson
Rebel #2 Siberian Husky for weight pulling in the Nation 1992
Best Pull 2050 pounds on wheels
   980 pounds on sled

This is a 60 pound dog, you now have an idea of the strength that a dog has.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Vicious dog definition
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:05:10 GMT

mct@interlink.com (- MD) writes:

>   There is currently a VERY heightened awareness of this problem in 
>Washington, DC right now.  A few weeks ago in Prince George's County, MD
>(one of the counties surrounding DC), a little girl chased
>a ball into a yard.  Three Rottweilers and a mastiff in the adjacent
>yard escaped under the fence and mauled the little girl severely.

There must not have been much of a fence there if three Rotts and
a Mastiff could go UNDER it.  

------------
Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
Intergraph Corporation                                  
bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Outdoor Dogs vs Indoor Dogs
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:32:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.195329.20333@auto-trol.com> bradav@auto-trol.com (Brad Davidson) writes:
>I see some people stating that Outdoor dogs are worse off than Indoor dogs
>and that they will not bond to the pack, etc... Not True!
>
>If the dog is a pet then an indoor dog is probably best, but if the
>dog is intended to be a working dog first and pet second then place
>the dog where it will best serve your purpose.
>
>I have to point out here that by having an indoor dog you may ruin the
>usefulness of the dog as a working dog.  A husky without a winter coat
>is not any good in the middle of winter outdoors.
I agree that a husky without a winter coat is not very useful in the
middle of winter outside.  I am just curious as to what you think of
dogs that are both indoor and outdoor?  I mean, dogs that are
outside, but can come inside via a dog door?
>
>I have weight pullers and they must be able to stand out in the cold
>for hours and indoor dogs just don't have that ability.  Some dogs have
>to be wrapped in blankets to keep warm between pulls and it does hinder
>their ability to perform when they do not handle the weather well.
>
>Now before the flamers jump all over me for my position I spend as much
>time as I can with my dogs. They get as much attention as they want and
>that is still more than most dogs around town.
>
>Just because I have outdoor dogs does not mean that they feel any less
>part of the "pack" then an indoor dog.  You do not get the performance you
>need in weight pulling unless you build that friendship and trust.
Agreed!

<stuff deleted>

>
>Brad Davidson
>"My dogs enjoy a good workout"

No flames, I was just interested in your opinion.  I have three sibs and one
mal, all are working sled dogs (I race them).  The situation I described above
is mine.  My dogs have a big backyard, but they also have a dog door that
allows them to come inside when my wife and I are home.  They eat indoors,
and they sleep in the bedroom with us.  We have cold winters up here, and
they are fully coated for it.  Most of my mushing friends keep their dogs outside
all of the time, and I have not noticed any difference in coat or endurance.
I guess you could call my situation an indoor/outdoor one.  I certainly
agree that strictly outdoor dogs can indeed be part of a pack.  I know for
a fact that you cannot drive a team of sled dogs if you are not bonded to
them properly.  I am sure that this is also true for weight pulling....


srlee@beta.lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Any English Setters out there?
From: <DMEJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 16:25:09 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi.  I just found this group today and find it very interesting.  I've
noticed many different dogs mentioned.  I was wondering if anyone out there
has what I think is the greatest dog around, an English Setter?
I had a large male orange belton who was twelve.  I now have a female tri-color
that is one year old.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Dan Schlissel
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Queen Elizabeth
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:30:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.164359.11038@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>
>In a previous article, saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski K-9's)) says:
>
>>
>>Queen Elizabeth was well known for her love of the canine species...
>
>I think you may be confusing two queens.  The present Queen is Elizabeth
>and her great interest in dogs seems to be only Pembroke Welsh Corgis (the
>tailless variety).  She is trying to form a new breed by crossing a
>Pembroke with a dachshund.  Her sister Margaret prefers them.

	She also has a kennel of Labs.

>Queen Victoria on the other hand was extremely fond of borzois and collies.
>
>Prince Charles prefers hunting dogs -- Harvey is his favorite and is a golden
>lab.  Beautiful animal.  
	Hate to be picky, but there is NO such thing as a golden lab.  The
correct term is Yellow Lab.  The colors of Labradors are yellow, black, and
chocolate.  Unless, however, the prince is also attempting to create a new
breed by crossing Golden Retrievers and Labrador Retrievers . . .

>For further information on British Royalty and dogs, I understand that there
>is book on the subject but I don't know the author or title.  There is 
>a company in Oakland, CA called Focus on Royalty that could probably help
>you find it if you are interested.
>
>Hope this helps to satisfy your curiousity.
>
>Evelyn
>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>>Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
>>Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF   tri-color collies
>>
>-- 


--
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From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Strange eating habits
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:26:41 GMT

In article <22790@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:

>
>Christmas-tree tinsel, a common enough thing for dogs to try,
>probably holds the all-time poop-effects trophy.
>

Sorry, but I disagree.  Essie the "I'll eat anything" Rottenweiler
ate part of a very pretty striped towel that had many bright colors.
She then made rainbow poop!

I won't go into how she couldn't get it all out and went totally nuts
because she couldn't get away from it!  Almost beat the time the cat
ate dental floss...

Ah, dogs....

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu



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