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From: del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Creation (Was Proposal for pnw.motss)
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:27:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: fnx.1992Oct7.162711.11189
Distribution: pnw
Organization: I/Ovations

In <BvpxMs.Gxo@ars2.uucp> briank@ars2.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel) writes:

>Thus with 4% of the computer population (based on uucp maps) this proposal
>would require 25% of the worldwide vote.

>This seems to me to be much too restrictive.

Your assumption of a linear relationship between total population and
# of votes required is in error.  See Bill's explanation of the need
for a larger # of votes.

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From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: the VP debate
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:33:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: Tomobiki.MS-C.719109232.662824084.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0

Did anyone catch Gore's denial to Quayle's charge that the Clinton/Gore
program would raise taxes by 150 gigabucks?  Quayle is right; that is exactly
the amount that Clinton/Gore propose to raise in additional taxes, albeit from
multiple sources.

Quayle misrepresented it by implying that 150 gigaclams was to come solely by
the Democratic promise of `soak the rich', but Gore's denial is unbelievable.
Don't the Democrats pay attentions to their own proposals?
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Perot's Book  (Re: Clinton's economic proposal)
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:25:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: gibdo.VOTE.PROTEST
Organization: University of Washington


  If anyone wants a copy of Perot's book _United We Stand_, send me
  some mail (bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu).  I have both a plain
  text file and one formatted for Microsoft Word.

Tracy Monaghan (monaghan@cac.washington.edu) offers a copy of Clinton's
brochure on economic policy:
| I have a copy of this, sent out via e-mail from Clinton forces in July.
| E-mail me if you'd like to see it.

  This is the shorty version of the book he is now selling.  Do you have
  a transcript of the book?  What ever happened to the 100-Day Plan
  Clinton was promising?  

| If Bush had a plan, we could post it also :)

  He does have a plan.  Well, he has a book anyway.  You can get a hardcopy
  from the Republicans and there is an electronic copy available somewhere.
  If anyone is really interested, I could try to locate it or you could go
  ask in alt.politics.bush.
  ==

  Bob                                            Seattle, Washington
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>
Subject: the debates
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:37:30 GMT

Bush spent most of his time bragging about his record in international affairs
and promising that he would do something about domestic affairs in the next
four years.  He sniped at Clinton a little bit in the beginning but didn't
seem to do it very well.

Clinton spent most of his time trying to appeal to the `anyone but Bush'
crowd.  He talked a lot about the changes he would supposedly make but didn't
offer much in the way of specifics.  He answered Bush's `I will stay the
course' with his `trust me.'

The big winner was Perot.  He was fantastic.  I don't think he's going to be
able to win the election, but you can't feel guilty about voting for Perot
after tonight.  Whether the Bush-man or the blow-dried JFK-wannabie win, the
next four years are going to be nasty.  A Perot voter will have the
satisfaction of knowing it isn't his fault.

Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler)
Subject: Re: the debates
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:27:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <MS-C.718850250.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
> [...stuff about Bush and Clinton deleted...]
>
>The big winner was Perot.  He was fantastic.  I don't think he's going to be
>able to win the election, but you can't feel guilty about voting for Perot
>after tonight.  Whether the Bush-man or the blow-dried JFK-wannabie win, the
>next four years are going to be nasty.  A Perot voter will have the
>satisfaction of knowing it isn't his fault.
>


As someone who is planning on reluctantly voting for Clinton, Perot certainly
got my attention. I do have nagging doubts about his past "Big Brother"
type activities, and I'm waiting to hear more concrete proposals from him,
but his "Just do it" attitude turned my head.

	...Dave

---
Clinton wants to revoke our 2nd amendment rights. Bush wants to revoke the
other nine. What's a pro-gun rights, pro-choice, freedom of expression
advocate to do? (...Perot?)
From: merrillg@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Greek Houses at UW
Keywords: Beta, Delta
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:07:06 GMT
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)

Hello, I'm looking for the addresses for Beta Theta Pi and Delta
Gamma at the University of Washington.  I have some cousins there,
but I can't seem to find their addresses in the phone book, anyone
offer some help.

?

Greg

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From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Proposal for pnw.motss
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:49:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: dogear.oD50RB2w165w
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes:

> A quick grep of just the UUCP maps showed 15453 entries for the 
> entire database and only 305 for the state of Washington.
> Assuming the ratio of uucp sites to domain addresses sites is
> the same locally as worldwide, and the ratio of news sites to listed
> sites is the same:  I'd say that the 25 voter requirement is too
> high, if you require the same (low) percentage participation as a 
> worldwide vote.

That only counts systems, not users. How many of those sites are
personal, and how many are public access? Of the public access (or
should I say 'multi-user?') how many users are there on them that
read pnw, and as such have a right to participate in votes?

I think to grep the uucp database (which is, as you say, not a
good reflection of the number of systems) and then make a guess at
domain sites, isn't a good way to establish a user base for pnw.
Also, you only did Washington. What happened to Oregon?

Perhaps a bit off-topic; has anyone ever sought to do an arbitron
of the pnw systems? It might be interesting to see just how many
folks are participants or 'lurkers' here. More 'on-topic,' if we
had info like that, we might be able to better judge how many of
we is us? :-)


--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Creation (Was Proposal for pnw.motss)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:11:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Oct9101120
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

In article <1992Oct09.041527.17655@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
     Yeah, I'm with you on this one.  We're not ready for the extra bureacratic
     hassle.  Those guys sound like they're trying to figure out how to vote
     on how to vote.  Well, I vote that we don't vote.

I like the way this was said.  Who has a copy of the charter for the
newgroup message?  Mail it to me, and I'll fluff the newgroup over the
weekend.

Or just create the group yourself.  Big deal.

Just another old-time Usenetter (who won't be subscribing to pnw.motss anyway :-),

--
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From: keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Protest Vote '92  (Was: Don't waste your vote on Bush or Clinton)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: klic.1992Oct13.215317.11946
Organization: Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits

In article <1992Oct12.175222.14408@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>
>Well, if I were running one of these gun buy-back programs, I'd modify
>the final step, destroying the accumulated weapons, to *sabotaging* said
>weapons, then, reinserting them back into the black market.  ...

Interesting idea, but ...

How do you accomplish this "re-insertion?".  As soon as defective guns
start showing up in quantity, the buyers are going to want the sellers
to demonstrate the weapons.  If the weapons are sabotaged, the sellers
get killed.  

It is even hard to precisely define the "black market".  Private individuals
sell guns to private individuals all the time.  Where's the line?  Who
gets hurt if a weapon "crosses back"?

I would like to see weapon crimes stop, too.  I think the work needs to be
done on the attitudes that leads to those crimes, or the attitudes will
simply find other expressions.  

Keith
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From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Creation (Was Proposal for pnw.motss)
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:10:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Oct8091017
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

In article <1992Oct7.162711.11189@fnx.uucp> del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg) writes:

   >Thus with 4% of the computer population (based on uucp maps) this proposal
   >would require 25% of the worldwide vote.

   >This seems to me to be much too restrictive.

   Your assumption of a linear relationship between total population and
   # of votes required is in error.  See Bill's explanation of the need
   for a larger # of votes.

You know, for all the noise this proposal has generated, it's probably
going to be five times the amount of traffic that the group being
discussed will generate.

I have half a mind to let loose a newgroup ctl just to stop the discussion!

Will anyone back me on that?

--
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merlyn@reed.edu (guest account) merlyn@ora.com (better for permanent record)
cute quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon -- home of the California Raisins!"
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn)
Subject: Re: the VP debate
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:56:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Tracy Monaghan writes:

>I think in Clinton's proposal, they plan (hope) for economic growth of 4-5%.
>Well, with that kind of growth, no other efforts would be required.  The
>increase in jobs and taxes would take care of 'most' of the problems.

They also assume this spectacular growth will occur despite tax increases,
which depress growth.  That goes a bit beyond simple optimism.
From: guyh@hpubvwa.nsr.hp.com (Guy Hyde)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Australian shepards (dogs)
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:11:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpubvwa.170480001
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Bellevue Sales

In pnw.general, ken@GTEtele.com (Ken Swapp) writes:

    Does anybody know about this breed?
    I have searched through library books, but can find nothing.  
    Of several dog-knowledgeable people, only one can even confirm
    the existance of the breed.

    I believe they are different than the short-haired Australian
    cattle dogs; at least the medium-sized puppy I met on a hike
    looked *very* different (more German-shepard-is).  My interest 
    is sparked, but too late to ask the owner.

    Thanks for any information.

    Ken Swapp			
    ken@gtetele.com
    Disclaim, disclaim ...
    -- 
    Ken Swapp			
    ken@gtetele.com
    Disclaim, disclaim ...

Ken,

I owned an Australian Shepherd/Leopard cross several
years ago in Houston. I bought her from a friend, as
a young puppy. She was one of the most affectionate
and intelligent dogs I ever had the pleasure of owning.

She died at age 17, last year. As far as further confirmation,
I cannot provide anything else. Good luck in your search,
and if you do locate some additional info, please post. I
would love to have another one of these breeds, even though
mine was only 50%.
From: rogers@fangorn.wr.tek.com (Roger Southwick)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: the debates
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:08:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrgate.10758
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

David Barts (dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: 
: Nah, just cast a write-in vote for "Benito Mussolini".

Nah, let's write in Pat Paulsen....I understand his running mate is Tiny Tim
this time around.

Or maybe Bill & Opus... that might actually be even better.  

Major :-)'s, by the way.

	-R-
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From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Protest Vote '92  (Was: Don't waste your vote on Bush or Clinton)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:00:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: tau-ceti.2731
Organization: ISC - Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA

In article <1992Oct09.152435.7133@microsoft.com> davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler) writes:
>I don't know the reason, but Switzerland supposedly requires all households
>to keep fully (not semi, but fully) automatic weapons. It might be to thwart
>external instead of internal agression. They do have a ridiculously low
>crime rate over there (I don't know if there's a correlation between everyone
>owning guns (machine-guns, at that) and a low crime rate, but they certainly
>don't show any correlation between firearm access and a high crime rate).

Remember:  An armed society is a _polite_ society!

Isn't Switzerland the country with the mandatory military service?  The
population _is_ their Reserve Army, and, from the sounds of it is already
partially equipped.

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Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg)
Subject: Re: VP debates
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:46:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.225031.21964@u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.203206.3524@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
>>
>> [ some stuff delete ]  He didn't pull any Clintons.
>>
>
>Sorry, my system apparently dropped the smiley face from your comment,
>implying that you actually believe Quayle's rhetoric that Bush is somehow 
>more forthcoming (eg Iran-Contra) and consistent (eg Jim Baker's future)
>than Clinton.

No thanks to the liberal media, you are confusing the comments
that the President was aware of "Iran arms-for-hostages", which
he has called a mistake, with "Iran-Contra".

The special prosecutor has gone through $40 million in taxpayer
dollars investigating a much smaller venture.

If Clinton gets elected, the first spending cuts will
undoubtedly apply to the Special Prosecutors investigating the
House Post Office and House Bank.  The Democrats have decided
that investigating past transgressions is a McCarthyesque
invasion of privacy and is no longer tolerated.

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Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: David Ruggiero <osiris@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup Creation (Was Proposal for pnw.motss)
Originator: osiris@halcyon.com
Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)
Organization: [none - why fight entropy?]
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:48:22 GMT

merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:

> You know, for all the noise this proposal has generated, it's probably
> going to be five times the amount of traffic that the group being
> discussed will generate.
> I have half a mind to let loose a newgroup ctl just to stop the discussion!

Methinks this is the kind of person who would leave a crowded and bustling
cocktail party, saying, "Nothing's happening here. Just a bunch of people
yakking at each other!"

Intelligent discourse and discussion binds us together. Several individuals
have taken the pnw.motss proposal to serve as a springboard for debating
a much broader topic, namely the relative merits of (and possible procedures
for) a formal newsgroup creation process for new pnw.* groups. The need for
such a process was amply demonstrated some two months ago, with the flamage
resulting from the wham-bam-slam creation of the seattle.forsale group.

This discussion has been conducted, as far as I can see, in a relatively
thoughtful and fairly low-key manner, and I fail to understand your
objections to it.

-- 
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Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: the debates
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:20:47 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Oct14094724@arugula.statsci.com> scott@statsci.com writes:

>[sic] Just think of Admiral Stockdale as president...
>
>Seems the vice presidential debate provided a rather large reason to avoid
>voting for Perot.

Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about Stockdale?  I didn't
see the whole debate, but the part I saw didn't leave me with the
impression that he was any worse than the others.  Just because
someone isn't a polished (some would say slick :-)  ) orator
doesn't mean they aren't gifted in other areas.  In fact, if all
a person *can* do is look good in public, then they are probably
lacking in other skills.  Stockdale is a respected member of a
think-tank and the author of several books, so he can't be a
doddering old fool.  Is it simply his public persona that bothers
you?  No flame - just curious.  (BTW, I'd vote for Carter or Nixon
before I'd vote for Perot.)  As the debates go on, Marrou looks
better and better.

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From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: VP debates
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:14:10 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


: If Clinton gets elected.......................

  Heard this the other day:


  "I'd rather vote for Jane Fonda than Clinton.  At least she's been to
   Vietnam......."


  ....back to lurking.......








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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: the debates
Keywords: Perot FEMA government martial law civil rights
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:56:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct15.215646.19820
Organization: UW Computing

In article <iq6osB1w165w@eisley.wa.com> wood@eisley.wa.com (Ken Wood) writes:
>     I don't know that Perot would do it but as far as possibilities go 
>your only wrong in that you underestimate the problem.  Martial law is 
>tame compared to the powers claimed by the president and FEMA under the
>various executive orders and the emergency powers.  If the president 

FEMA, judging by their 'success' after hurricane Andrew, should not be any
worry.

BTW, before and during the civil war, Lincoln suspended the writ of
habeous corpus, arresting some (most) of Maryland's legislature so they
couldn't vote for secession, commadeered the telegraphs, preventing
newspapers from sending/receiving information.  Several court challenges
went against him, which he ignored and continued the suspend various
constitutional rights.

Look waht Nixon did on the "Saturday night masscre", of course, he was
eventually caught. :)
From: dough@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Doug Hockin)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Murder of Martha Bryant in Hillsboro?
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:04:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: tau-ceti.2724
Distribution: pnw
Organization: ISC - Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA

Is anything known about the assailants or the motive for the brutal murder
of midwife Martha Bryant in Hillsboro?
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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: the debates
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:10:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct16.171032.7647
Organization: UW Computing

In article <1992Oct15.193829.2087@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
>In article <klg.718992140@statsci> klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross) writes:
>
>Deletions...
>>
>>Does anyone recall the Nixon era when government and big business worked
>>hand-in-hand to destroy this country's ecology, civil-rights and
>>individualism? 
>
>I missed that era.  Was this the same Nixon that enacted wage and
>price controls?  Took the dollar off the gold standard?  Championed
>giving 18-year-olds the vote?  Underwrote a drug study whose findings
>were that marijuana should be legalized?  No, the Nixon you mention
>sounds more conservative than that...
>

I think he's referring to the Nixon era in which OSHA and EPA were formed :)
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: President and the economy
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:40:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.224049.2439
Distribution: pnw
Organization: UW Computing

As much as I enjoy watching Bush squirm during this recession, the fact is
there is little a president can do about the economy (and even less with
the massive deficits. The Federal Reserve control interests rates, and
indirectly inflation.)

It was Bush's dumb luck that the recession happened during an election year.
Reagan's luck was to have a recesssion and get it over with early in his
first term, then by the time of his election, the economy was going strong
again (of course, running up those huge deficits help to spur the economy
along.  Basic Keynesian theory, no supply-side here.)

Bushman then compounded the problem by saying things were 1) improving,
and then 2) not as bad as all that.

He could have softened the blow by spending some of the federal highway
funds he and Reagan have been hording, and keep the economy limping along
until after the election.

But, as someone else mentioned, bushman can't plan in advance but only
react to a crisis.

So not because of the economy, but because of their social agenda, I
wouldn't support any puppet of the religious right.

All of the above is, of course, my ill-informed opinion.



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