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From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Subject: How does distribution work on this list? Re:Content of fat in different kinds of meats   
Summary: Why usa readable in UK?
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Distribution: World
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:41:08 GMT


Article 4448 (3 more) in rec.food.veg:
From: solar@fsrg.fsrg.bear.com (William del Solar)
Subject: Content of fat in different kinds of meats
Keywords: cholesterol
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:49:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bear Stearns & Company, New York, NY

Just wondered why I can read a Distribution: usa article here in the
United Kingdom? Only noticed it happening on rec.food.veg. Is it
the way our site is configured or is it simply that vegetarian
mailers are stronger and break the bonds of national limitation? :-)

Craig Jamieson
University of Cambridge


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From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: Re: Stuffing Mushrooms .... HELP!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:07:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.154004.2086@hou.amoco.com> zkym02@orl.amoco.com writes:
>HELP!  I am having a New Years Eve Party and I am planning to serve stuffed mushrooms.
>I bought the big mushrooms, so that 2 per person would go a long way.  But now I am
>worried they will not cook through.  I am thinking about boiling them first... can
>you boil mushrooms without harming them?
>

I wouldn't worry about them not being cooked. Just cook them as you
usually would, maybe a little longer, but don't boil them. That really
would make them icky and not the proper stuffed mushrooms that they
should be. 


Jean

-- 
	"It is my view that the  vegetarian manner  of living by its 
	purely physical effect on the  human temperament  would most 
	beneficially influence the lot of mankind." - Albert Einstein
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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:11:59 GMT

Clover M. writes:

> 
>I'm not sure I want them to be vegetarians - I'm not an ethical
>vegetarian, so it involves a lot of thought for me.  I have time,
>though.

You might simply try it our for an occasional meal or two once
a week.  I started out mixing some canned fished with the 
vegetarian food and alternating an pico-vegetarian fare with
a vegetarian fare. 

Anyway, since I've been using Vegecat supplemented vegetarian
catfood, my cat's fur has become less greasy and more shiny and
soft.  She even smells nicer and is more playful.  The diet
not only seems as good as what she formerly had, but even better.

						ted
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: I've quit "Better Than Milk?" now. *sigh*
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.104403.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11jsutton@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>I mean most
>lacto vegetarians never touch soy milk of any sort in the *first* place!

Their loss.  I drink milk, soy milk, rice milk (amasake mostly, Rice
Dream is way too salty to satisfy my palate  -- is there a non-amasake
rice milk without so much salt?) and like them all.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:40:02 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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In article <1hd4khINNpn0@morrow.stanford.edu> Andy Michael USGS Guest,
andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU writes:
>While there are many questions about "fake" meat on the net, do most
>veggies really eat these?  Perhaps the fake meats really appeal to the
>health-reasons veggies and others on restricted diets.

But then the ability to offer an alternative to someone firm in their
ways is one method to initiate some form of comprehension about what is
wrong with the world. This may eventually lead to an alternative life
style.

There are many advertisements for real fur in the common press. Many
readers like fur, they do not know the misery of the suppliers, and in
many instances are hiding from the truth. It is necessary to break
through the facade that they create. By providing an advertisement of a
fake fur manufacturer alongside the real fur, or in close proximity,
those who claim to love fur can note an alternative. They KNOW animals
die for the latter, the former can help asuage their guilt.

I know it will not work in all cases - but ANY and ALL attempts to cut
down the sale of fur must be put into effect.

An example of the appeal of the alternative is Seitan - I make my own
from the flour and I must admit that the texture is rather revolting. But
I can now make a vegan pie that will fool most meat eaters into thinking
they have a meat pie on their plate. I have been told that vegan choices
are limited and boring, it is not hard to disprove this.

I do not like fake meat, bacon or anything that tries to imitate a dead
animal. I avoid furs and work with IDA (In Defense of Animals) as much as
I am able. But I will not deny that the ability to provide an alternative
to anything can be an effective tool in improving health, cutting medical
costs, saving the lives of animals, reducing the greenhouse effect, and
so on.

Lawrence
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Date: 25 Dec 92 21:30:48 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
>
>Similarly I don't quite see the fascination with fake fur.  Do you really
>want to fool people into thinking you would wear fur?  I think fur is
>beautiful and if I want to pay tribute to it in my clothing I would go
>for using the pattern of stripes and spots and colors in a print, not to
>duplicate the hair itself.

     When I wear my biker-style leather-looking jacket, it's because
it looks good, and it gives me an oppurtunity to remind others that they
can keep their fashions without cruelty.

     My mom was recently given a fake fur. It looks nice (if you know
its fake), and it's warm.

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
                     Keep your values off my family.
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     campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you
     will always be."
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                   whose capital Quayle pronounces "Pogo Pogo"
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From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: VEGAN:  long haired gourmet goes nuts for NYE
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 04:36:21 GMT

Firstly, I want to thank you for the recipe. even though I think you
posted it to keep me from eating a non-vegetarian Jello - except Jello BRAND
pudding IS vegetarian.  Only their famous Gelatine product is made
with the gelatine. 
 
Is there anything I can substitute for the nut milk? I don't have a
working blender and don't know where I can BUY nut milk. 

What is "grain coffee substitute"? I THINK I might know, but I'm not
sure...
 
And why is it 2 - 3 Tablespoons of agar?  How do I know how much to
use? I have never used Agar before, you see...

And what does this taste like when it's done?

Thanks a lot,
Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file

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From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 04:34:21 GMT

I can't say how my cats would treat vegetarian cat food, but I can
tell you that they LOVE vegetarian people food.             
 
For example, last night, I had to drag my cat to the vet at midnight 
because she ate the plastic wrapping from the garlic braid that I
was given for Xmas.  She just loves the taste.
 
Today, another one of my kitties was pigging out on raspberry ices
(vegan) and has in the past been caught eating apricot jam, toast,
bagels (with or without margarine).
 
That same cat loves rice and beans, spaghetti and tomato sauce with
no meat, asparagus (give her asparagus, and you're a friend for life)
broccoli, canned peas (they ALL love canned peas), corn on the cob,
etc., etc.
 
I'm not sure I want them to be vegetarians - I'm not an ethical
vegetarian, so it involves a lot of thought for me.  I have time,
though.

Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
From: alerman@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Vegetarian Potluck in Oakland, CA - Jan 3, '93
Date: 27 Dec 1992 22:34:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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Hello!

The East Bay Vegetarians are now holding monthly VEGETARIAN POTLUCKS!
(I mean the East Bay in the SF Bay Area, CA, USA.) This is just a very 
short note because I realize it's a long bus ride from Iowa, New 
England, the UK, Denmark, etc., and consequently it may not be 
convenient for some of you to attend :^). If you think you may be able 
to fly in, send email for the time, place, and other details of our next 
gathering. Next one's on Jan. 3, so book now! ;) (Locals please reply 
soon if you'd like to arrange a carpool)

--
Alexander Lerman
<alerman@garnet.berkeley.edu>
(510) 848-4888 (voice/voice mail/fax)

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet (Clover M.)
Subject: Re: Vitamin D from sunshine
Reply-To: la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 23:35:16 GMT

Actually, I appreciate all of the feedback on the lights and vitamin D.
But what I am looking for is information on the lights that are used
in SAD therapy, which I suspect I may have.

Clover
la1002@albnyvms.bitnet
This is my very first sig.file

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From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Terminology Re: meat eaters (was: Re: Gun Control Petition)
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:37:42 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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X-XXDate: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:35:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.222151.1759@cdf.toronto.edu> Rosemary Waigh,
g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu writes:
>>What about some intermediate term like "semi-vegetarian"?  I would
>>like to give people making that attempt some credit and acknowledgement
>>of their achievement.  What do you think?

Depends on the duration of the term's usage. Last year, 1991, I quit
smoking. I started in September with a goal of cutting down strength
(moving from the strong packs I was using, two packs a day), then cutting
down volume. I targetted December 31, 1991 as my drop dead day. Nice way
of looking at it I thought. None of this patch stuff, just simple work it
out of the system and stop.

On Dec 31, 1991 I was smoking about 8 cigarettes a day, the weakest brand
imaginable, and underneith Big Al's, on Columbus and Broadway San
Francisco, 12 midnight, surrounded by some of the strangest examples of
humanity around (but having a heck of a good time) I smoked my last.

Easier than pie :-)

Now, was I a smoker or not during that period?

Perhaps the term "Retiring-Omnivore" would be more descriptive? Or
"Forthcoming-Vegetarian"? Perhaps "Vegetarian-in-the-making (vitm)",
T-Shirts anyone?

Lawrence
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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Terminology Re: meat eaters (was: Re: Gun Control Petition)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:39:01 GMT

Lawrence Hare writes:
[...]
>>a term of some sort - any sort - is needed. Giving up things we have
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Alan Kerr replies:
>The term that I've come up with is : sans rouge (french for 'without
>red')

Good term.  I'll try to remember this one!

>1) most of the people that give vegetarians the *most* trouble are the
>people that have given up 'red meat' (hence: sans rouge) and are now
>calling themselves 'vegetarian'.

Ok.

>2) the term does *NOT* contain the word 'vegetarian', so there is less
>chance for misunderstanding.  after all, to a waiter, "vegetarian",
>"lacto-vegetarian", and "semi-vegetarian", etc. *all* sound like
>variations on the types of vegetarian there are.  ...even if that last
>one isn't a 'real' vegetarian.  all a waiter might know is that
>someone said that they were <mumble-mumble>-vegetarian and *they*
>ordered fish, so vegetarians must eat fish.

Good point.  I sometimes wonder, however, if we should try to educate 
by using these terms and thereby informing people of the distinctions
that are to be made.  Of course, sometimes the effort is simply
not worth the trouble, especially when some unsympathetic
omnivores don't wish to learn  :-(

Hence, Alan, your chosen term is indeed a good one!
If anything, they'll learn that we veggie vegetarians
speak with an international, cosmopolitan manner.
Heck, it's true, we veggies are more worldly wise and 
sophisticated  ;-)

				Happy Holiday Season,
						ted
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: Artifical Fur Manufacturers - Request for Info.
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:12:08 GMT

> Paul Roberts writes:
> Suppose vegetarians started posting their resumes here, or trying to
> get readers to join Amway, or asking for recommendations for local
> realtors? If there *are* subjects that are irrelevent to this newsgroup,
> they don't become relevent just because a vegetarian somewhere is
> interested in them.


hi paul...

I think I made it very clear that I was talking about *anything* that arose
out of having made the decision to lead a vegetarian lifestyle.  Vegetarian
issues?  :)

*j*
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From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Lecithin is vegan
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:08:33 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University


In the 1952 edition of the Encycl of Chem Tech, Vol. 8, there are
several pages on lecithin.

Lecithin is glycerol combined with two fatty acid radicals,
phosphoric acid and choline.

Today (in 1952) the lecithin is comes mostly from soybeans. Small
amounts from corn, peanuts and rapeseed. Egg lecithin is extremely
expensive and is used for pharmaceutical purposes and in mayonnaise.

Lecithin is extracted from soyabeans by solvent extraction using a
solvent like n-hexane. It is subsequently bleached or double bleached.

Most of the lecithin goes into margarine.

With regards,

Abhay
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Using human bodies (was Re: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word)
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:55:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec30.235529.1264
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec30.190057.3880@zooid.guild.org> rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>It is also my understanding that transplants from humans are much more
>successful than interspecies transplants.

There aren't any successful interspecies transplants.  The few that have been
done have been experimental and have ultimately failed.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: dbader@eng.umd.edu (David Bader)
Subject: Blood test questions?!
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:27:41 GMT
Organization: Professional Student, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: dbader@mountaindew.eng.umd.edu



Hi there, 

  I'm a vegetarian (for three years) and almost-vegan (besides a shot of milk in
my coffee on some mornings) for about 10 months.  I have a blood test from April
92 and one from last week, and was comparing some of the numbers (cholesterol,
HDL/LDL, iron, etc.)  but don't completely understand.  If you know all about
these things and want to try and answer my questions, PLEASE send me email to
dbader@eng.umd.edu

thanks and peace,
  david

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From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Nice cows (was Re: Kosher Slaughter)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 20:08:24 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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In article <1992Dec24.225645.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> eerbl@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:
>I know many cattle personally. They are quintessentially peacfull, often
>playfull and always profoundly curious about their world. They feel more than
>just hunger and thirst. They feel driven by the need to make sense of their
>world on their own terms just as you and I do. They do not just live in the
>present. They remember events past. Even many years as is often the case when
>they have been traumatised at human hands. Cows can feel hope and confusion.
>Most importantly, their world is as important to them as yours is to you.

I don't know as many cattle as you do, but I have to agree.
Cows are wonderful creatures.

>In short, to kill a cow, is a far greater act of vandalism than most would
>imagine. And it is about time that people stopped pretending that they are
>dealing with barely sensate lumps of flesh and realise that they are dealing
>with the most highly evolved mammals aside from the cetaceans and apes.

Well, I might have put them behind goats, but to each his own. :-)

>Yes, I do have a herd of cattle. The oldest two are 13 years old; the youngest
>just over 2. They are free to live as they wish. They are more or less my
>children. I have been priviledged to witness how cattle behave when they are
>not treated with contempt. Have you ever seen a cow roll over on her side to
>have her belly itched? There are several people who have met my cows who are
>now vegetarian. They stared the truth, quite literally, in the face.

Hopefully they got nuzzled by the truth too.

>I am going to continue this thread at my leisure. It's almost Christmas and I
>intend to spend some time on Christmas day lying under the shade of a tree with
>a cow asleep beside me, her head pillowed in my lap.

Sounds nice.

And now for my real reason for following up:
Is it possible to have a humane dairy industry?  I have met dairy cows
that seemed quite well treated and content (and I respect the farmer in
question).  Or is the industry intrinsically inhumane because of
problems due to having too many male cows born?  Perhaps we could just
put them all out to pasture.  There would certainly be fewer of them than
there are meat cows currently.

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: Vegetarians or not vegetarians?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 07:00:32 GMT

> Cheryl writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1993Jan1.004556.9763@eskimo.com>
> Posted: 1 Jan 93 00:45:56 GMT
>
> Org.  : <<< ESKIMO NORTH (206)-FOR-EVER >>>
>
>
>    Claudia, I agree with you about the prejudicial effects of everyone
> announcing their dietary "category."  I've read this newsgroup long
> enough to see enough examples of what you referred to, as I'm sure have
> others.  My friend Jeff has rules he uses to deal with what he calls the
> "True Believer" mentality.  You find it with abortion, with various
> religious beliefs, and here on rec.food.veg.  There's nothing whatever
> wrong about having strongly held beliefs, but a lot of us just don't
> want to fight about them or engage in debates with True Believers when
> we've seen that there's likely to be more heat generated than light.
> I'm here to learn and enjoy and share, not to hold my diet and beliefs
> up for general scrutiny because some people would like to be able to
> sort people into nice, neat categories.
> --
>      Cheryl
>      feathers@eskimo.com



very nice attitude... I like this post a lot.  I'm going to adopt it as my
new usenet credo. :)

*j*  :)

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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Vegetarian Cats2: Final Word
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:26:25 GMT




G.  FINAL WORD

In my ideal vegan future, I see no problem in using salvage
animals dying from natural causes to feed our responsibly
maintained and beloved companion animals.  Indeed, why not even
use our own deceased as human burials and cremations are not
really providing any benefit?  If we are going to take so much
and devouringly consume from the planet during our lives, we
could afterwards think about returning a little via becoming
petfood.  At least burials at sea feed the fishes. :-)

In any case, flesh foods are not necessary and adequate and
tastly plant based alternatives are already commercially
available.

To conclude, let me reiterate that if anyone is seriously
considering a complete vegan regime for their cats I would of
course recommend extreme caution and due care.  One must buy the
commercial vegetarian pet foods or vegetarian supplements and I
would also recommend that they read very carefully Barbara Lynn
Pedens book, DOGS AND CATS GO VEGETARIAN, 1988 and James Peden's
book, VEGETARIAN CATS & DOGS, 1992.  Some useful scientific 
papers are referenced in these books.  And of course, one
should have one's cat regularly checked by their veterinarian.

While you might think this seems like too much fuss, consider
that the same kind caution should also be exercised with respect
to meat-based pet foods, and again, one should regularly have
their cat checked by their veterinarian.  Such is the burden
of being owned by a cat  ;-)

i					Happy Vegetarian New Year,

                                               ted


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