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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Roger Nielson gets axed
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:34:18 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
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Organization: The Bates Motel

larry@spuds.solbourne.COM (Larry Keryc) writes:
>Gary L Dare (gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: Ron Smith is the interim coach "for the remainder of the season" ...
>: that means that no permanent replacement for Roger will be made, and
>: unless Ron Smith can pull off a miracle then Rangers fans can write
>: off this season ...
>
>Hmmmm...  Why does a miracle have to be performed Gary?  This is
>pretty much the same team that won the Presidents Trophy one year
>ago.  There is weakness on defense but all in all this IS a talented
>team that is severely underachieving right now.

While the Times has been touting Ron Smith as a disciple of Roger
Neilson's and thus a good fit to what is already in place, this is
also Smith's first big league assignment.  The Binghamton farm team
has done well under Ron, but the question remains as to whether Ron
can put all the pieces back together ...

[I'm citing Larry out of order here for reasons of content ...]

>What Ron Smith has to do is get the team on the same page again in
>terms of roles and style of play.  Give him until February for that.
>At that point the level of intensity needs to increase as we gear up
>towards April.  He needs to get them to the dance and let the guys
>with the rings take the team to the level it needs to be at in April
>and May.

In other words, Ron Smith also needs to ease back a bit 'cos Neilson
continued to micromanage his players beyond the point where he got
them where he wanted, the best team in the league last season (but not
the playoffs).  It was overdoing the soup ... also, I think that if
the Rangers start to win consistently with the tension now out of the
dressing room, things will get better.  The other players were caught
in the middle, especially after Gartner, Graves and Lowe were called
by Neilson to take some of Messier's leadership duties during a secret
meeting over the previous weekend.  Gartner relayed an alarm to Roger
while Lowe did the same to Mark ... none of them were stupid enough to
get caught in the middle.

>Neilson made a terrible move in last years playoffs by changing from
>the run and gun offensive style that carried the Rangers in the regular
>season to the clutching, grabbing, "gooning" tactics in the playoffs.
>The Rangers looked confused then and still do now.

Basically, Neilson failed to adjust the team to alternative modes of
play in the regular season and made them predictable.  The playoffs
are not the time to switch gears.  Considering that Neilson was able
to do just that with the Leafs in the mid-70's and the otherwise
pathetic Canucks (Cannots) in the 80's, with less talent ... it was
a rude surprise.

gld
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Free Hockey in '93
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:22:46 GMT

How does the league improve its image with existing fans? Free hockey! We
already like it so we get to see more. What do I mean?

Well before the new year, 77 of the 457 games went to OT (that's 16.8%). Since
the new year (thru 1/7), 13 of the 36 games have gone to OT (that's 36.1%).

With all that said, Espo still hasn't allowed any free hockey in Tampa's
Expo (Espo) Hall. But TB hasn't played a home game this new year, so let's
wait and see.

Tom

We've secretly replaced the puck with Folger's Crystals. Let's watch...
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From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Subject: BOSTON: Reason for Bourque's Unhappiness?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:55:18 GMT

I hear that Bourque is upset with Bruins' management. When did this happened?
What caused it? Has it been overplayed in the media?
From: david@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: TRADE BRETT HULL
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:19:26 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu

In article <12JAN93.20484382.0070@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCDB <CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>Rumor in Montreal from GM Meetings
>
>Brett Hull to Boston for Juneau & Wesley.
>Reason Hull a trouble maker in dressing room.
>Source, CFCF TV sportscast

I heard the same thing last night (1/11) -- source, ESPN Sportscenter
Can it be?

Dave Lu
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From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Subject: Re: Whaddya mean Bossy never got 50 in 50!
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:42:47 GMT

Brad_Couch@mindlink.bc.ca (Brad Couch) writes:

>> EVAN pritchard writes:
>>
>> >[Many people talking about who scored 50 goals in fifty games...]
>> >>
>> >>How soon people forget.....Maurice "the Rocket" Richard set the record
>> with
>> >>50 in 50.  The season he did it was only 50 games long as far as I
>> recall.
>> >>
>> >Didn't Mike Bossy do it, also???
>>
>>         Uh, no, Mike didn't.  Only Richard, Gretzky, and Hull (Bret)
>> have scored 50 in 50 (or less).

>Mike Bossy did in fact score 50 in 50.  He was the first player to match
>Maurice Richard's "unattainable" feat.  Made HUGE headlines everywhere.
>Since Wayne and Mario and Brett and everyone else started achieving 50 in 50,
>the mark just doesn't have the same kind of status.

>  - Brad "I have no signature" Couch

>PS Pavel is next. :)

	Right.  My post above is (embarassingly) wrong.  Oops.  I would 
dispute the "everyone else" remark, as scoring 50 goals in 50 games is 
still a HUGE achievement.  Heck, scoring 50 goals in a season is a big 
achievement.  Not many palyers do that in any given year.  To risk a 
cross-sport comparision, the number of 50 goal scorers in a season is only
slightly more than 20 game winning pitchers in Major League Baseball.  

Evan  
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From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Alex = scoring machine
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:42:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.145611.23563@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>In <C0Bypw.EEK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan4.071327.22008@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes...
>
>>But the only pertinent record in the NHL Guide is titled "Most Goals, 50
>>Games From Start Of Season".  Even that is ambiguous, but I think it means
>>the first 50 games that the TEAM plays, not the individual.  The marks of
>>the record holders seem to imply this (everyone except Richard hit 50 games
>>in late January).
>
>>Players to hit 50 in 50:
>
>>Gretzky (3 times - 61 was his max), Lemieux (54), Hull (twice - 52), Bossy (50)
>
>>I believe 2 other players hit 50 in THEIR first 50 games, but I don't really
>>remember who or when.
>
>I have the vague memory that Bernard "Boom Boom" Geoffrion of Montreal
>Canadiens scored 50 goals in one season, it is possible that he did it
>before they extended the season to 70 and 80 games. About the other one
>I do not want to make any guesses.
>

How soon people forget.....Maurice "the Rocket" Richard set the record with
50 in 50.  The season he did it was only 50 games long as far as I recall.

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From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Mario Lemieux: Hodgkin's disease
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:33:35 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1993Jan12.182454.1214@mala.bc.ca>, epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:
> Just heard on the radio that Mario Lemieux has Hodgkin's disease.
> The diagnosis was made by the Penguins' medical staff, according
> to the report.
> 
Update:  According to a later report, Lemieux has a relatively minor
form of the disease, not considered to be life- or career-threatening.
He is expected to miss only four to six weeks of hockey.
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From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: NHL Skills Competition:  Iafrate Breaks 100 Barrier
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:54:42 GMT

Last Wednesday, the Washington Capitals held their segment of the NHL
skills competition.  The highlight of this event was AL Iafrate's
attempt in the Hardest Shot competition - his slapper was recorded at
101.4 mph (163.2 km/h for those of you north and east of the border).
According to the announcements at Friday's game, this was the first time
a puck had been meassured at over 100 mph.

--Ken
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From: lipinski_todd@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: NHL Skills Competition: Iafrate Breaks 100 Barrier
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:37:54 GMT

In article <93005.091538U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.135442.16597@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
(Ken
>Kaufman) says:
>>
>>Last Wednesday, the Washington Capitals held their segment of the NHL
>>skills competition.  The highlight of this event was AL Iafrate's
>>attempt in the Hardest Shot competition - his slapper was recorded at
>>101.4 mph (163.2 km/h for those of you north and east of the border).
>>According to the announcements at Friday's game, this was the first time
>>a puck had been meassured at over 100 mph.
>>
>>--Ken
>Maybe some one can confirm or refute this --
>
>I remember reading about some sports show in Canada (perhaps in Toronto?)
>that had a shot measuring device as an exhibit. [This took place right
>after the first Canada/Soviet Union series in '72]  All the "big guns" of
>the NHL were invited to participate (including Bobby Hull, who had just
>signed with Winnipeg of the WHA).  Many shots were recorded well over 100mph.

I had always heard that Dennis Hull had the wicked slapshot (harder than
Bobby's).  The source isn't that great, but my uncle said that he had about a
105 MPH shot.


>The big winner was also a big surprise.  It was Paul Henderson, the "hero" of
>game 8.  His shot was measured over 120mph.
>
>This was the reason I was surprised that the recent skills competition speeds
>were "so slow."
>
>Of course, this may all have been some publicity stunt.  Or, the measuring
>device may not have been as accurate then as they are today.
>
>Terry
>U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
>=========================================================================
>

Todd
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From: pavalin@bnr.ca (Paul Valin)
Subject: Re: Latest Habs trade rumour
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:53:46 GMT

bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER) wrote:
> 
> I heard an interesting trade rumour today (this is only a rumour). The
> Montreal Canadiens apparently offered defenseman Eric Desjardins to the
> Ottawa Senators for a bucket of pucks. The Senators declined the offer
> saying that even though he has offensive abilities, he couldn't clear a
> 75 year old lady from out in front of the net. Too bad. We really could
> have used those pucks here in Montreal.

Yet another trade rumour from Red Fisher this morning:  The Canadiens
want St. Louis Blue Stephane Quintal.  The attraction is not his
talent but his size; the Habs need some bigger players.  Possible
St. Louis-bound players named were Sean Hill and Brian Skrudland
(and a couple of others I forget).

Other note:
Since the Leafs won Saturday night, Pat Burns and Sylvain Lefebvre
must cough up $100.  Supposedly it is a Leaf tradition that members
of the team (and coaches apparently) pay $100 to whomever scores 
the winning goal in a game against their former team.

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From: hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U)
Subject: Re: Man Byng
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:01:45 GMT

There seems to be much discussion of presenting a new trophy to a player
who has both toughness and skill to be called the Man Byng.  I
did not copy the articles that contained these comments because they were
getting rather long.

The proposed way to define the winner of this trophy is to add both the PIM
and points of a player.  I argue that this is wrong, and it biases the
award in favour of unskilled players.  To be entirely fair both totals of
points and PIMs should be standardized first and then added.  This way the
two variables will be comparable.  If the variables are not standardized
then you are adding two different measurements.  It is quite easier to amass
penalty minutes then points, and again the winner would probably be a player
of lower skill.  Standardizing the variables into Z score format would
eliminate any of these problems.

Len Hunt
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Tocchet-Jagr fisticuffs
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:51:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0p86C.E39.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1993Jan9.053758.3420@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>
>I'm curious what Bowman saw or was the entire story relayed to him. While I
>hate to see any teammates fight, I think Jagr had this coming. Someone said
>that was quoted in the paper that winning Cups was easy - 2 in his 2 years
>(or something like that). I think he needs a little humilty (perhaps not
>protecting him and letting him carry the load on one of the expansion teams).
>Did Mario have anything to say to him or does he not have much influence on
>Jagr? We'll have to see if any of the blue-collar players come to his rescue
>the next time the opposition is beating up on him. The lad has a lot of growing
>up to do.
>
>Tom

Bowman doesn't run the practices, the assistants do.  Scotty's usually in his
office at that time.  So unless he heard the fight and came out, my bet is
that someone relayed the story to him.

I noticed though that Bowman has been playing Tippett as LW on the Straka-Jagr
line.  He alternates with Loney.  Perhaps Bowman is trying to teach Jagr a 
lesson.  That a real team player will do his job, even after being insulted
by a spoiled brat.

As for Lemieux's influence, from what I heard, there is none.  Jagr no longer
pays any attention to him.  Jagr sees himself as the #1 Penguin, and resents 
the attention Lemieux gets.  He was very resentful of the contract Lemieux
got, and how Howard Baldwin was personally involved in it.  Jagr considers
himself the star of the team, and is tired of being in Lemieux's shadow.
Lemieux supposedly has gone out of his way to try to soothe Jagr's bruised ego,
but Jagr will have no part of it.

Lori
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN Changes Game for Tommorrow
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:42:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <1993Jan8.140958.1@minnie.imd.nrc.ca> kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca writes:

>
>Weekend afternoon playoff games (particulary Sunday games were common
>in the 70's). I remember watching many a Sunday afternoon game when
>I was growing up. I believe the Islanders won their first Stanley
>Cup in an afternoon game (Bob Nystrom's OT goal against Philly).
>
>KM

KM,

You're absolutely correct. That OT game was the last game to be shown
on any US network. CBS was banking on Do-You-Believe-In-Miracles
wave that sweept country in the winter/spring of 1980 and they decided
to put Stanley Cup Finals games on weekends(part of CBS' Sports Spectacular)
on short notice.(I was a freshman in high school in Upstate NY). Had
the Finals ended on a weeknight,you'd never seen the Series-ending game.
The finals ratings were less than spectacular. I expect ABC ratings this
spring to be about the same as 13 years agos. You can't just market the
game in the playoffs and expect non-followers to tune in. You need a full
season to sell it to the public.  That's why NBA is on 26 times on NBC
this season. With Gary Bettman running NHL,expect some weekend regular
season games to be showcased on the network (most likely ABC) next season.
Stanley Cup Finals in prime-time on a US network is high impossibility
since no network will allow sports programming on a weeknight during May
sweeps period(why do you NBA starts its Finals Series in June? :-) 

Regards,

-PPV Mark
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From: yt1@eng.cam.ac.uk (Y. Tremblay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 1/9
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:14:43 GMT
Organization: Cambridge University Engineering Department, UK

In article <1993Jan10.100500.22829@Princeton.EDU> fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.044754.4161@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>* Ray Bourque is steamed up at Bruins management and wants out. (!)
>>A possible deal would be a package featuring Bourque for a package
>>featuring Trevor Linden.
>
>What position does Bourque play?  I'm wondering who would go after him.
>(For example, I know the FLYERS would love a left winger...)
>
>Fred

Wow !!!!   One of the best of the year !!!  Fred, how long have you been 
following hockey ?  Asking what position does Bourque play is a bit like
asking the same for Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux.

FYI, Raymond Bourque has been (and IMHO is still) one of the best 
defenseman of the last decade if not _the_ best. 

For the trade:  I think it would be a mistake by the Canucks.  Even if 
Bourque is at the moment a better player than Linden (and almost anybody),
he is starting getting old and will probably not play at this level for 
very long.  Linden is still young and can rebound after this season.
In addition, Vancouver are not a serious contender for the cup, so for
giving their future.  Only a team looking for the missing piece to get the
cup this year or next year should be looking at Bourque.

Yannick
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Time for B's to get rid of Moog?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:42:15 GMT

In article <BSON.93Jan5223828@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes:
>
>   Am I the only one frustrated with having to watch Moog night after
>night sabotage the Bruins with his substandard performance? Sure, he's
>good, but it's not enough to be merely good or excellent in the NHL,
>you have to make impossible saves _and_ hold on to the rebound. Moog
>seems to completely have lost his judgement; he gets trapped behind
>the net, misses the puck, drops rebounds everywhere they shouldn't go,
>rarely holds onto the puck after a save, lets players freely pass the
>puck inside the crease, gets completely taken by surprise by 50-foot
>well-advertised wristers, and generally fumbles.
>

If the modified expansion draft rules which limit teams to protecting
only one goaltender go through...there are going to be one hell of
a lot of good goaltenders available at reasonable prices...one of
Vanbiesbrouck or Richter, Maclean or Whitmore, Ranford or Tugnutt,
Essensa or Tabaracci, Fuhr or Potvin, Belfour or Waite...before the
trading deadline.  It will become a buyer's market...

Seeing the relationship that Sinden and Sather have...if the new
expansion rules go through, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ron
Tugnutt leading the Bruins into the playoffs.

Gerald
From: anlst2+@pitt.edu (Arthur N Lilley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: puck in wrong net?
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:33:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I've seen old film clips of football players picking up fumbles and
>running the wrong way with the ball.  I know that in hockey players
>occasionally put the puck in their own net but it's always been a
>"quick" mistake around the goal mouth.  I was wondering if any player
>has actually skated in on his own goaltender and scored.  Has anyone
>ever seen this happen?

     Again, this wasn't in a professional situation, but I thought it was
pretty funny.  Back when we were in high school, we all used to go to see
one of our friends, Dave, play.  Dave was an excellent player(Pittsburgh
Press Finest Five), but the rest of the team was a joke.
     Anyway, we all went to see Dave play in his last game before we all
graduated.  Towards the end of the game, we were up by four or five goals.
Someone had just scored, and there was a faceoff at center ice.  Dave took
it, won it clean, turned around and started towards his own net.  Because
it was the last game of the season, our team had put in the backup goaltender,
dubbed "Target" by the rest of the team because he never even moved to try
to block a shot.  So Dave skates right at him, makes a move, and buries the
puck in the back of the net.  I'm sure the goalie was already nervous about
being put in the game, but then he started crying right there on the ice. 
     I don't think I've ever laughed that hard.  Of course, the coach
didn't find it all that amusing.  Even Dave's dad called told him it was a
"garage league play", but man was it funny.
a
From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Trade
Keywords: Possible
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 07:56:11 EST
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: world
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078

It looks like Brian Kilrea, Ottawa 67's coach/GM might shake up his team 
as it looks like he is getting a little fed up when his veteran players 
keep making the same mistakes. It is getting close to Jan 10 trade 
deadline and you might see some of these vets packing their bags.
Ottawa is sitting in last place with 8 wins, 25 losses, 5 ties.
A little better than the Ottawa Senators, oh well! it is still early.
Keep you heads high Ottawa Fans.

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From: Vincent Trinh
Subject: Re: Pens-6 Bruins-2
Keywords: Grow up.
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:38:32 GMT

(Robert Stear ) writes:
>What a coincidence!
>
>I've got a bet in our hockey pool that you'll get hit by a truck in
>late January, Vinny. Perhaps I'll get luckier than you did......
>
>Brutal, you say? No, I just think of it a natural selection at work!
>
>On the serious side:
>
>Doesn't it seem more than a little juvenile to wish injury upon sports
>stars? If my team won because all the best players in the league had
>been injured, I would consider it a VERY boring win.
>
>Bob

Wow, Mario fans are so sensitive.
Don't worry Mario will be back for the playoffs.
As for wishing injuries, I guess the people of Boston
are juvenille ... I see more than one sign reading
"KILL ULF" in the Garden.

Vincent Trinh
vtrinh@ee.ubc.ca


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