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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Aliens the Special Edition
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:18:36 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <16duccINN8m0@network.ucsd.edu>, by mmaxwell@ucsd.edu:
> And even though there is nothing that says that the Alien _can't_
> lay eggs, it does not mean that that is true.  Until it is shown me
> that the alien lays eggs, i'll stick with the queen-hive theory.

I really don't like a sequel taking over and bending people's minds
into retrofitting the original film.  IMO, Cameron has committed a
real crime on that one, and you are putting the blame on the victim.

The explanation I gave is explicit in the novel, btw.  Now, the novel
itself should not really count, but since it was written based on the
original script, it's at least a strong hint on how the Alien biology
was intended in Alien.

Also, that explanation has on other advantage that no other has, it is
consistent within Alien without needing any unexplained factors from
outside the film.  Considering a scene from film A (that is completely
consistent with A) a riddle because film B contradicts it is not
really the thing to do.  The fault does not lie with that scene, it
lies with B.

(Btw, Matt, your last mail is still in my mailbox, I haven't forgotten
it, just didn't get around to it yet :-)
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From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: To all Dune Fans, a question
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:48:57 GMT

The other night , I saw a part of the movie Dune on our local TV channel, and decided 
to read the book. Before leaving for Dune, Paul makes a reference to his sister
who died at the hands of the Harkonnens (sp?). Does anybody have more details 
about it?.     

Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 
serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
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				only care for what they want."
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Aliens the Special Edition
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:42:12 GMT

In article <5725@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>I really don't like a sequel taking over and bending people's minds
>into retrofitting the original film.  IMO, Cameron has committed a
>real crime on that one, and you are putting the blame on the victim.
>
>The explanation I gave is explicit in the novel, btw.  Now, the novel
>itself should not really count, but since it was written based on the
>original script, it's at least a strong hint on how the Alien biology
>was intended in Alien.
>
>Also, that explanation has on other advantage that no other has, it is
>consistent within Alien without needing any unexplained factors from
>outside the film.  Considering a scene from film A (that is completely
>consistent with A) a riddle because film B contradicts it is not
>really the thing to do.  The fault does not lie with that scene, it
>lies with B.

Is there any particular reason why both theories cannot co-exist?  I
mean, is there anything in either movie to suggest that the Aliens
cannot reproduce by *both* the hive-queen method in Aliens and the
(IMHO) funkier implied cocooning method in Alien?  The aliens
demonstrated themselves to be quite biologically innovative in many
ways (acid blood as a defense, really hard skin, etc.), why not this
as well?  There's nothing that says the aliens can only reproduce one
way, is there?  So it could form an alien hive like in Aliens sometimes,
or it could cocoon its victims the way it's supposed to have in Alien
other times, and maybe there's a third or fourth or more ways it can
reproduce.  Just makes the aliens even more badass than before, don't
you think?

IMHO, one of the cool things about the Alien movies is the fact you really
don't know jackshit about them - and I'm not just talking about where they
came from or if they're evolved or created, although there's that, but
more of "What makes them tick?"  You get glimpses into how they function,
and each movie affords you a new look at how they work, but you never
really *know* for sure.  It's this uncertainty about the Aliens that
makes them so neat, IMHO.
-- 
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From: singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick D. Singley)
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:11:35 GMT

Distribution:usa 
Organization: (National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Keywords: 

From CRC 70th ed.  (back cover)

Melting point- lead- 327.502; boiling pt- 1740
             -ingot iron- 1538 m.p
             - carbon steel - 1515
             - stainless steel type 304 - 1427

Ask a military person for temp C of Napth.

Above temp. in C

Hope that helps.  Grab a CRC for your own amusement and debates about the heats of fusion for atomic bonds.  enough P. Chem for me!

Erick
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From: davest@sequent.com (David C. Stewart)
Subject: Star Trek VI - What anachronisms!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:02:02 GMT

	[ Possible spoilers below, though nothing of consequence to the
	  plot is revealed below.]

	After watching "Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country" a couple
of times, it strikes me that this film has one of the most anachronistic
looks of any of the Star Trek works (the old, the new, the movies).
Here are some examples of what stands out to me:

	* The galley scean is really glaring - food preparation has
	  taken a major step back in this story.

	* The walls in Kirk's cabin and in the "Officer's Mess" (where the
	  dinner with Klingons is held) are covered with paintings.
	  Kirk seems to like pictures of ships and the like, while the
	  mess has what look like portraits.  This is the first time I
	  can recall there being this kind of decoration on the walls
	  of the Enterprise.

	* Weirdly, many of the sets (the bridge, Spock's cabin and Kirk's
	  cabin) have what look like fire extinguishers mounted on the
	  wall near the door.

	* Even the inclusion of the big chronometers all over the bridge
	  have a somewhat archaic feel to them.

	I can't say I totally dislike the effect - it makes the
Enterprise a more believable environment for people to live
in.  However, the cheesiness of that galley scean just goes over the
top for me.
-- 
David C. Stewart                       	uunet!sequent!davest
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.		davest@sequent.com
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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:25:47 GMT

gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green) writes:

>In article <9223212.11090@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>>jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>>
>>>Anyone see any problems with this sceme?
>>
>>1) The Sulaco was a military transport. I can (just) by Weyland-Yutani tapping
>>into its telemetry in the third film, but I certainly don't buy them being
>>able to issue orders to the military hardware.

>If a dropship could be remotely piloted from the planet below - why cant it
>be remotely piloted from somewhere else?

This is MILITARY hardware, remember. It's gonna have very tight security to
prevent some unauthorised joker from tapping in and firing all the weapons at
the ground forces. The telemetry data would be less secure, IMHO, because...
1) Data is not as *immediately* dangerous as unauthorised use of missiles and
particle beam cannons, and 2) Remote-piloting a dropship would have to be done
in real-time, whereas telemetry data could conceivably be downloaded and
decrypted at leisure.

Plus, that ol' two-week time-lag.

>Here's an idea - who says there was'nt another android on the Sulaco the
>whole time? Sort of an insurance policy for the company. Ripley and the rest
>go into hypersleep - the android pilots a dropship to the derelict and
>carts a few eggs inside. Simple. 

Sulaco was a military transport, operated by the Marine Corps. Getting an
android on board like that would be nowhere near as easy for the Company as
getting Ash on board Nostromo had been. In fact, the word "impossible" springs
to mind.


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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:34:59 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <9223202.405@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU  
(JJ Glamma) writes:
>> 
> Really? I'm not a chemist, but I remember someone saying the exact  
opposite
> during all the discussion about Terminator 2. The T-1000 walks out  
of the
> petrol fire (a flamethrower basically just shoots burning petrol)  
but is killed
> by the molten steel.
> 

Not to defend one of the sillier moments of Alien 3, but molten
steel is quite a bit hotter than molten lead.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: t9014201@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:20:08 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <Bt1Mqo.Dv9@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
> In article <1992Aug15.105249.12711@phillip.edu.au>, t9014201@phillip.edu.au writes...
>>OK, my turn...
>> 
>>Why Alien 3 didnt work....
>> 
>>Technology.
>> 
>      Well, if you paid 7 bucks for guns and gadgets, and instead got
>      passion, intensity, defiance in the face of death -- Well, I'd
>      say you got your money's worth, even if you don't realize it.
> 
You conveniently cut out my other arguments.
The characters were not interesting. The only ones that were of any value
(The doctor and the "Warden") were killed very early.
All the PASSION you talk of seemed to be in boring cliched speeches that 
were basicly wrong.  It was a stupid idea to chase the Alien.
In her DEFIANCE of the company, Ripley killed everyone.

More than anything, the thing that bugged me was that the film was a non-stop
Depression trip.  The Doc gets killed just as Ripley is falling in love,
the suicide theme, the general meanness of the other prisoners.
I guess that is your idea of INTENSITY.  Fine, but that's not for me.

>>The money heads in Hollywood must have seen that the crowds LOVED Aliens
>>and surely they understood WHY.  So why did they produce a film that offered
>>none of the thrills of the earlier films?
> 
>      Five words: Because it's been done before!  If all you want is a
>      carbon copy, go to Kinkos and let the rest of us enjoy originality.

I wasn't asking for a copy of the last 2 films, but I still think that in
their choice of ways to go they made the wrong choice.
Anyway, its only a damn movie about Monsters from Outer Space for heaven's sake.

--
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                                     Greg McPherson * T9014201@phillip.edu.au
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From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Subject: Re: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 14:24:00 GMT

In article <66114@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz) writes...
In article <36866@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> makelley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Skinny Puppy ) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.163116.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
.
> Tim Curry played the clown. (He was also in Legend, Oscar, ????)
.
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Roger Waters' The Wall, Live at the Berlin Wall (he was the Professor)
.
BTW, who was he in Legend?  The big baddie?

He was the Lord of Darkness -- having never seen Rocky Horror at the time
that Legend was released (I have since), and not knowing what Tim Curry
looked like, I was able to pick him out without a doubt as soon as he
began his first dark monologue.
Tim Curry was also in Pass the Ammo, a Swaggart/Bakker-inspired comedy. Tim,
of course, played the TV Evangelist. And yes, he played the doctor on the
Red October. I just wish that they had cast Curry as the Joker in the first
Batman movie -- his tall, oblong face (and Tim's acquaintance with makeup)
are a better match to the comic-book Joker than Nicholson's. 

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From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Subject: GODZILLA NEWS
Keywords: Godzilla Japanese Monster Mothra
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:49:18 GMT

News on GOJIRA TAI MOSURA:

The twin fairies are now being called the cosmos instead.

They wear medallions with a cross with wavy lines on them.
This is a reference to MOTHRA.

Tetsuo Besho, who was in SOLAR CRISIS, has been cast as a 
treasure hunter who discovers the cosmos on Infant Island.




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Subject: Re: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
Date: 16 Aug 1992 05:54:51 -0500
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That's easy: he was played by Tim Curry.
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From: dejohn@unix1.tcd.ie (derek edward john)
Subject: ALIENS 1-2-3
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:26:48 GMT

   Just a few points here about aliens,

1  Why in aliens when the marines go down to the planet is nobody 
left to pilot the ship in orbit?And why so few marines?Judging by the
shots of their ship it looked the size of an aircraft carrier at least.
Why was nobody left behind to look after the ship.

2 Am I alone or does anybody else find the NEWT character stupid and
 unecessary a real obnoxious mcauley culkin like child actor
whose only purpose is to go "EEEEEEEEEEE!" at every alien and serve
as a ridiculous excuse for the plot at the end where ripley single
handedly takes on a few thousand aliens.For other obnoxious child 
actors in cameron films cf terminator 2.The difference between
alien and aliens is essentially the same as the difference between
the two terminator films.Think about it.

3 Also in aliens when the marines are about to put Burke up against a
wall and kill him Ripley says something like "No we need him"
Burke has just tried to kill her and Newt he cannot be trusted
why take the risk with him?Just look what hedoes later on when he seals
off the bulkhead door on them.Why does Ripley want him alive?

4 Im not sure about this,But in aliens there seems to be thousands of
aliens,my qouestion is what do they eat?at most there must have been 
about 500 settelers so what does the queen_Mother sustain herself on 
and the thousands of aliens?The planet is completely barren.
They must eat something as they sure have well developed mouths!

5 What set off this population explosion anyway?My idea is that 
it was the new atmoshere created by the settelers which set it off,
once the aliens had found a new set of hosts, but if each alien needs
one host then there should only be 500 aliens which there clearly isnt.
So where does the queen-mother appear from?
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Subject: Stay Tuned review
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:29:32 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: kvitek

Mini-Review: Stay Tuned

This was a very enjoyable piece of mind candy, best seen at a drive-in.
It'll probably be at least as good on cable or video, most likely next
month :)

The critics did not enjoy this (at least not in Chicago), but this is wonderful
fluff.  John Ritter and Pam Dawber are sucked into a cable system from hell
(literally:  666 channels, run by Jeffrey Jones as Mephistopheles).

It includes hell-spawned parodies of a number of movies and TV shows, including
"Three Men and Rosemary's Baby", "Driving Over Miss Daisy" etc.

Just sit back and enjoy, and don't think too much.  The effects are of high
quality, Jeffrey Jones is fun as usual, and don't think too much.

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:26:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <36866@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> makelley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Skinny Puppy ) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.163116.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

> Tim Curry played the clown. (He was also in Legend, Oscar, ????)

The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Roger Waters' The Wall, Live at the Berlin Wall (he was the Professor)

BTW, who was he in Legend?  The big baddie?


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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: ALIEN 3 - The mystery deepens...
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:40:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Just got/read the Dark Horse comic adaptation of Alien^3 (at
least, part 1/3).

It shows the Queen Embryo crawling out of Newt (who's drowned and
is .: no longer a viable host) and crawling into Ripley. Egress
and entry are thru the mouth, not the traditional 'pop out'. Its
mostly formed (has the cowl, and spines) but looks like an
insectoid-gecko crossed with a lobster. (And yes, it is
definitely NOT a f'hugger. :) This is taking place as the EEV is
sinking into Fiorina "Fury" 161's ocean.

No hints as to where the f'huggers came from, tho at the end of
Aliens: Newts Tale [2/2] (Aliens from Newt's POV) we see a f'hugger
(not a super/spined/queen/etc, just plain-vanilla) crawling over
Newt's Hypersleep capsule.

I say we corner Ward, Hill and Fincher (those to blame for the
flick) and make 'em explain.

Joshua

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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:29:48 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <Bt3Lxr.EC6@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey):
>      ALIENS virtually ignored the first movie.  Instead of an ominous,
>      monolithic, imposing entity simply known as THE COMPANY - and
>      lifted neatly from the pages of Conrad's HEART OF DARKNESS - you
>      have IBM and Mitsubishi in ALIENS - complete with the whiny, backbiting,
>      but not scary, Burke (Paul Riser).  
>      Cameron changed what continuity he wanted between the first movie and
>      his; he changed the alien life cycle you people like to talk about so
>      much; he changed just about everything

YES! YES!  Full agreement.  I had started to think I was the only one
who saw it this way.

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