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From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Death Star on TESB (was Re: Redundancies)
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:07:50 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

In article <1B1NXB4w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis  
Prebble) writes:
> My girlfriend purchased the Star Wars Trilogy videocassette package for 
> me for Christmas (alas, not the box set with the LBX tapes, but hey, 
> can't have everything).  Anyway, I was reading the back of one of the VHS 
> tape boxes and it spoke of the Rebel Alliance fighting the Empire, which 
> it referred to as the "Imperial Empire."  This is a bit like calling 
> somebody a "lonely hermit." =)

Not entirely on a different subject, but in the box set of the trilogy,
did you get a handbook with it?  I have the trilogy in LBX and got a
handbook and the making of Star Wars video.  Anyway, in the book they
wrote something to the effect of the Rebels needing to destroy the
Death Star in The Empire Strikes Back.  Do you see something wrong
with this?

--
You know what would make a good story?  Something about a clown 
who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad.  Also, he has 
severe diarrhea.

					Jack Handy

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:31:16 GMT


	I'll respond to several of the previous posts:

This has to do with whether or not there are "command" star
destroyers:

Luke on the space shuttle Tyderium sees the Executor and knows
Vader's aboard.  Han notices him looking.
Luke: I'm endangering the mission, I shouldn't have come.
Han: Don't get jittery, there are a lot of command ships.

	The Emperor also refers to the Executor as the command
ship.  I have no doubt that "command ship" is the short,
vernacular way to say "super star destroyer", which is quite a
mouthful.  I would also say that Han doesn't know what he's
talkiing about, because there can't be "a lot" of super star
destroyers, for the same reason there can't be 25,000 star
destroyers.

	There are 12 active aircraft carriers, not 5.  There
are a few more in reserve.

	I also thought that Han was saying, "The local bulk
cruisers," not "Balt cruisers".
						-Quinn
From: megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons ??
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:05:50 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
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In article <1993Jan16.001747.8894@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>This possibility is based on the operational doctorine of tank warfare. Tanks
>are quite voulnerable to anything that comes close to them (they can lose thei
>chain REAL easy). Therefore, when in hostile terrain, tanks always travel
>surrounded by dismounted infantry. The tank provide the heavy firepower to

Don't generalize. It depends on the environment. Against Syria the Israeli 
tanks operated with NO infantry support and won overwhelmingly. But the next 
time out they got cocky and suffered losses since the Syrians modified their
tactics. In Desert Storm is was common for M-1A1s to outrun the infantry, or
for the infantry to stay in the M2/M3s since the Iraqi's lacked weapons 
powerful enough to stop an M-1A1. This allowed for dashing tactics which took
advantage of the M-1s speed and mobility to outflank enemy units. Sure, an
M-1 would be vulnerable to a satchel charge, but if it is traveling at 40+mph
how are you going to place it? And Chobham will shrug off tank cannon rounds,
let alone RPGs and AT rockets. Tactics change dependng on the situation and
the equipment involved. You don't use the same tactics in the desert as in the
city, nor with M-48s as with M-1s. 

Hoth was pretty much a desert as far as tactics are concerned. The AT-ATs were
IFV's. They chose bad tactics, not preparing for the speeders. They should have
had anit-aircraft vehicles. (Something the Army is short on too...) Other than
that the tactics were fine.

And the AT-STs were kicking ass in the jungle. Mobility didn't seem to be a
problem for them. They just got outsmarted.

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: NEW MOVIES - All News Groupies Please Read
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:53:21 GMT

Does anyone actually think that a SW movie could be released
without *anyone* on this group knowinbg about it?

If any more movies are released, we'll be the first to know,
or at least really high on the list. Just keep reading
and don't worry about it! Good grief... 

Scott

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
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Subject: Archive List
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:43:34
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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Topps_cards.Z - List of the Topps collectors cards (American sets only).
Vader_Character.Z - Character assessment of Darth Vader.
letterbox.Z - List of observations comparing LBX to P&S.
trooper.Z - Some intresting information about Stormtroopers.
HarrisonFord.filmlist.Z - List of all movies with Harrison Ford.
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MADmagArticle.Z - A mockery of the SW Trilogy from MAD magazine.
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From: littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: More questions
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:32:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1jt2k0INNfmo
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
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1>  Did Kenner ever release a specific "Wedge" action figure?  I stopped
collecting them around the 63rd figure, and missed out on the very
last "wave" of figures.  

2>  Where does one go about getting a "set" of the movies?  

3>  After reading the R.O.T.J. script, I'm glad that Lucas decided *NOT*
to end the movie on a down note by having Lando & the Millenium falcon
blow up along with the death star.  Is there "updated" scripts available
anywhere?  (BTW, apparantly Lucas wasn't sure whether to knock off Lando
or not, because right after he gets blown up in the death star,
he goes down to Endor and celebrates like he did in the movie).  
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:16:06 GMT

keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:

>cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:

>>   According to the Star Wars role-playing game, there are four Super Star    
>>   Destroyers, one of which is the Executor. There are about 25,000 Star
>>   Destroyers.... wow, I never really knew that. I'm not sure how canon
>>   you consider this source, but it is roughly correct.

>This almost cannot be correct.  We see almost the entire Imperial fleet
>in Jedi.  You see them all...  probably a hundred at most.
>If there were many others sread throughout the galaxy, 
>the Rebels wouldn't be so happy about defeating the fleet at Endor.

>keith



    Well, I tend to believe the 25,000 figure. Between the references to
    the fleet in a couple of books, I would say that indeed the fleet is
    spread throughout the galaxy. In fact, didn't Mon Mothma say something
    like "... with the fleet spread throughout the galaxy in a futile effort
    to engage us...."? Well, even if she didn't, the reason the rebels were
    so happy about defeating the Imperials at Endor was because the Empire
    lost a) A new, improved Death Star
	 b) Darth Vader, a large contribution to the domination of said
	    Empire
         c) The Emporer, who was evil personified 
	 d) a goodly portion of their fleet
	 e) etc., etc.   I am sure I've made my point.
    So, I stand by my post. 

Cory Padfield

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From: uenf@pool.sunyit.edu (Eric Franks)
Subject: Star Wars figures
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:47:29 GMT

heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen)
<Jan.22.19.54.07.1993.7495@gandalf.rutgers.edu>  writes:

>I have the following figures for sale at this time : 
>
>Han Solo (Trenchcoat) $17
>Princess Leia (Combat Poncho) $15
>
>Power of the Force
>------------------
>EV9D9 $27
>A-Wing Pilot $25
>
>The figures are all unopened on cards.  The little tabs for hanging them on 
>racks are generally punched out (to various degrees) on a few of them.  The
>plastic has also started to yellow a bit.  The cards show very very minor 
>stress marks.
>
>If anyone is at all interested, email :
>heerdege@gandalf.rutger.edu
>
>-juergen

 I would be interested in purchasing the Han Solo and Princess Leia 
figures from you.  I E-mailed you, but I wasn't able to access your
node.  If you are still interested in selling, contact me through this
newsgroup or try E-mail. Thanks in advance.

___________________________________________________________________________
Eric Franks           | uenf@sunyit.edu
404 Jefferson Ave     | (315) 797-3796
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Boba Fett Figure
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:12:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

alee@quads.uchicago.edu (Nic Fit) writes:

>I just heard this from a guy who used to work at Kenner.

>The Boba Fett figure with the firing rocket backpack DOES indeed
>exist, however NO ONE in the public has it. Kenner did not send
>it to anyone. The only existing figures are the first few prototype
>models used in the commercial, and marketing. As for where these
>figures are, only God knows.

They weren't even painted, were they?

keith
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Subject: Re: Star Wars trivia
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:04:17 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Lemme think...  We see the Falcon upside-down when it flies around the cloud
above Bespin to go back and get Luke, when it turns to fly into the asteroid
crater and become a slug snack, and when it rotates to avoid crashing into part
of the second Death Star's protruding superstructure.

The "Rebel Briefing" music on the soundtrack is thankfully (yes, not sadly IMO)
replaced with superior music from the end of Jedi.  We hear it when Leia tells
Han about her family heritage and Luke carries the flaming stick that reduces
the body of Darth Vader to so much Imperial ash.

                                            --Eric
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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: shatner's tek war article
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:02:01 GMT

"paul manson"  writes:
> Cross posted to all Star Trek, TNG and DSN conferences on 93/01/23
>                 SHATNER'S NOVELS COMING TO TV
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Shatner, star of the Star Trek TV and movie series,
> will direct the pilot and "occasionally act in the project,"

just as throughout his career, he has occasionally acted.

Steve
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From: Michael_Hilgers@k.maus.de (Michael Hilgers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND predictio
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 02:25:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.15A/hb

In an article barryl@pissarro.tansu.com.au (Barry Lightbody) writes:

b>In article 1184@ultb.isc.rit.edu, hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu () writes:
>Actually vader lost his hand three times. The First was after the battle
>of
b>the where luke got a lucky shot at Vader during a lightsaber duel and
b>sliced his arm off. The Third was in Return of the Jedi where luke again
b>slices off vaders hand.
>Dark Jedi
b>
b>WHAT!!!!!!!. You have got to be kidding yourself. Luke never sliced
b>vader's arm off.
b>I presume you are talking about TESB where Luke did a lucky shot and
b>made a superficial
b>wound but that was it. Remember the shot where vade is telling luke that
b>he is he's
b>father. If I remember correctly you do see both arms.
b>
b>As far as I am concern Vader last his arm/hand, after all we really do
b>not know how
b>much of his body is left, when he was fighting Ben years ago.

Do you remember the scene when Vader is in the lightning of the emperor?
Try to look this scene in single pictures.
Now you can see the mechanical parts inside his body.

b>After all if you are going to disarm(sorry wrong word) a Jedi with a
b>lightsaber naturally you would go
b>for the hand.
b>
b>Remember when Ben tells luck that vader is more machine now then man,
b>twisted and evil.
b>He is obviously referring to two sides of him. The first is that he is
b>compassionless
b>and controlled. The second is that he has become a cyborg, probably not
b>by his own
b>choice as he would have believed that the force would have given more
b>advantage then any machined parts.
b>
b>
b>---
b>Barry Lightbody                                 Phone: +612-395 3468
b>barryl@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au                    Fax  : +612- 395 322

Michael
Cologne, Germany
Michael_Hilgers@K.maus.de
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From: flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:39:20 GMT

In article <C1G8pv.9CB@news2.cis.umn.edu> dufa0001@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>
>Although I have not read anything outside of the net regarding
>why the x-wings expand to an x, I can offer a very reasonable
>suggestion. It makes the virtual size of the shot fired the same
>as the box created by the four corners of the wings. A TIE fighter,
>or any other thing for that matter that was anywhere within the
>box, would very likely get hit. It is the same sort of thing like 
>the large antenna arrays used for tracking deep space probes: with
>antennas all around the Earth, the "size" is about that of the 
>Earth, at least for certain things.

This seems like a major limitation of all one and two man fighters in Star
Wars - they can only shoot forward.  I hope we see some guided weapons in
the future movies (ala Gunstars).

This brings up a question:  

Now that Lucas will be able to use better, more complicated SPFX, will he
have more sophistocated ships, battles, etc. in Episodes 1-3, or will he
keep them simpler so that 4-6 look 'futuristic', comparatively?  I've heard
that he was waiting for computers to become good enough to do really complex
things.  I'd rather be amazed by the new movies, and know that the other
movies are 20 years old, and were amazing for their time.  Anyone disagree?
 
-Bill

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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: The other Yoda spoke of
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:06:54 CST

In article <80820@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd227a@prism.gatech.EDU (frenchie) writes:
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Exactly the point I was trying to make when I originally posted that perhaps
>Wedge, as opposed to Leia, COULD have been the other Yoda referred to.  I
>didn't mean to say that Wedge WAS the other hope for the galaxy, just that
>it was a possibility that he was.  Who knows, it could be someone else
>entirely (Chewbacca, perhaps... :)  Seriously, though, I'm glad to see 
>someone else out there shares my view... (Or maybe I share theirs...)
>Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I think that Chewie could be
>that other Yoda was talkin' about...     (Naahhhh...  Couldn't be... :))

Maybe he was referring to ol' one arm Snaggletooth...
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Subject: Info. on action figures-wanted
From: <NWA101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:50:54 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I was delighted when I saw this group exists. I am a fan of anything related to
 the trilogy and a moderate collector. I was wondering if anyone could answer m
y question. I have several ROTJ figures still on their trilingual cards(english
,french, and spanish).Are these worth any more or any less than their "straight
 english" counterparts? Please post any answers on the net. Thank you.


          Sasquatch.
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From: mason
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:37:05 GMT

In article <1k1ej5INNe1k@gap.caltech.edu>
keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
 
>cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:
>
>>   According to the Star Wars role-playing game, there are four Super Star
>>   Destroyers, one of which is the Executor. There are about 25,000 Star
>>   Destroyers.... wow, I never really knew that. I'm not sure how canon
>>   you consider this source, but it is roughly correct.
>
>This almost cannot be correct.  We see almost the entire Imperial fleet
>in Jedi.  You see them all...  probably a hundred at most.
>If there were many others sread throughout the galaxy,
>the Rebels wouldn't be so happy about defeating the fleet at Endor.
 
The Empire, as the government in power, is at a considerable disadvantage
in respect to the deployment of its fleet.  The Imperial Navy is forced
to commit well over half the fleet to defensive positions.  The Alliance,
operating in secret, is at an advantage in that it has far fewer production
facilities to defend, no known military installations, and no civillian
population to protect/terrorize.  In addition, the Empire has pirates and
smugglers to contend with.  The Imperial presence at Endor, assuming it
included every available vessel, could not have numbered more than 1/2
to 1/3 of the Imperial Fleet.  And I think that's being generous.
 
25,000 star destroyers might be a bit much, but a hundred is WAY too few.
The Alliance wasn't really cheering about the destruction of the Imperial
Fleet as much as they were the destruction of the Death Star and the
death of the Emperor.  They were still looking at years of war with minor
admirals and regional governors, but the hard part was over.
 
-- mason
From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: X-wing Game?
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:03:13 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <C1HBA3.4JE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jim@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(Jim Myers) writes:
>	I've lost track, WHEN is the X-wing game coming out?  Is it out
>now?  Was it released a long, long time ago in a--well, you know.
>
>						jim
I asked a software store about it when I was home for the holidays.  They 
said something about the entire graphics engine having to be re-written.
I also heard that this might be because the graphics weren't good enough
to compete with other games on the market. 

Any one else hear this?  (I asked at Walden Software.)

The Evil One
From: gulisaj@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harrison Ford Movies
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:54:03 GMT
Reply-To: gulisaj@alleg.edu
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1k3pgeINN7r6@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> drue@citi.umich.edu  
(Chris Tanis) writes:
> --------
> 
> >Well, I can remember the following, but it ain't a definitive full  
list:
> 
> > American Graffiti
> > Star Wars
> > Hanover Street (I think?)
> > Raiders of the Lost Ark
> > The Empire Strikes Back
> > Witness
> > Blade Runner
> > Indiana Jones and the Temple of Toom
> > Return of the Jedi
> > Working Girl
> > Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
> > Presumed Innocent (and the forgettable mystery thriller before that)
> > Regarding Henry
> > Patriot Games
> 
> Hanover Street yes.
> Force 10 from Navarone (Guns of Navarone starred Gregory Peck and  
Anthony Quinn...among others).


... You can add "Mosquito Coast" to the list, too.
From: accsah@vaxa.hofstra.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons ??
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:52:53 EST

> 
> A possibility:
> AT-AT are supposed to have dismounted infantry around them to prevent anything
> coming so close to them. In Hoth the Empire was so Cocky they dispensed with
> the Infantry (who would have slowed the assault to walking speed), and paid
> for it.

I agree with they probably have supporting infantry that secures areas around
them, while they provide increased mobile fire power.  

Its also important to remember that the Rebels were attempting to abandon
the base.  It would seem that it was a bad command decision to not deploy
ground troops, but instead to allow the walkers, with a small contingent of
troops to move quickly and knock out the shield generators.