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From: remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: illegal mac emulation
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:13:35 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <93003.133927SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <ibhan.725580555@husc.harvard.edu>, ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir
>Bhan) says:
>>
>><CTLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>
>>>The bad part about emplant is that you use a copy of the roms and not the
>>roms
>>>themselves. So most Amiga users are pirating the roms.  As for the Emplant.
>>>The price on it is about $250.00. It works with Amiga 2xxx,3xxx and 4xxx.
>>>It also works in color. So it is a threat.

>It's no threat, the atari ST has had almost flawless mac+ emulation since
>1987 and look where they are...  The amiga will not be made or broken on
>its ability to be a mac II but it's nice to hear that it can do it...
>If only you guys could get Irving Gould to move to Apple then you might
>make a difference...				   ^^^^^^^


Or IBM!!  ;.)  But they seem to be doing a job of killing themselves by 
themselves....  (Stock :  July - over $100 per share  Now - 50.25!)

                          
>Scott
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Will the real Taligent please stand up? (was Re: PowerPC or Mac???)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:35:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.064703.8881@cubetech.com>, andrew@cubetech.com wrote:
> 
> Again, it doesn't sound like a joint venture.  Perhaps IBM and Apple
> each own 50% or something like that, but it sounds like Apple

If your definition of joint venture is that Apple and IBM employees working
together, then Taligent isn't a joint venture.  But the PowerPC work is a
joint venture.

> Metaphor)." why then did Apple not just hire those same people with
> out getting IBM involved.  NeXT has obviously not had any trouble
> getting the right people together.  Why does Apple need IBM?  Why is
> there a Taligent in the first place?  To get cheap processors?  Surely

It's not a matter of hiring people.  We were successful in hiring people
when the project was part Apple and we are just as successful now.

I think the reason has to do with increasing the chance that Pink gains a
significant share of the market.  As NeXT has found out it is hard to get a
new software platform off the ground.  The big software developers aren't
interested until the installed base is large and customer aren't interested
until there are application.

Apple is betting that working with IBM will increase the change that Pink
succeeds.  It would rather have 50% of a system that has a significant
market share than 100% of a system that has no market share.

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
From: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: un-amazing NeXT (was: Will the real Taligent please stand up?)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:18:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews) says:

>
>My point exactly -- the Mac lets users do things that on a NeXT require a  
>sysadmin.
>

So, do something about this....  Write to NeXT and complain!


Not just e-mail, but real live letters!  Steve Jobs, before 
creating NeXTSTEP, went around to all the different colleges
and asked what they wanted in an operating system.  NeXTSTEP
is based on those needs.  If you have a complaint about 
NeXT or NeXTSTEP, NeXT encourages you to write.

What we have here is ca company which wants to improve its'
software - Apple is this way as well.  The people at NeXT and Apple
would love to improve their software, and are looking for 
new and innovative features.  If there's something you like on the
Mac, the write NeXT.  If there's something you like on the
NeXT, Apple's trying to work on it already.  Notice that the
new PowerOpen software for the Power PC will be running like
a Mac and IBM's AIX - UNIX.  Why?  UNIX is everywhere - it's
tons better than any other OS, mainly because it is more organized,
more logical, and multi-user, something which has urked many Mac users,
like myself for YEARS.  This is what is so attractive about
the whole thing - you're getting power of the future in your
hands today.  Most NeXT users are happy with their products,
but we all can agree that it needs a bit more of a marketplace,
which is still growing and growing.  We'll give it a few years.
 
Lucas

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: csmith@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christian Smith)
Subject: Re: Will the real Taligent please stand up? (was Re: PowerPC or Mac???)
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:25:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.025252.26711@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	So.
>
>	When can we expect Pink?
>
>	Even more importantly, when can we expect a better name?
>	"Pink" reminds me of toilet paper.  I'd hate to buy a sexy
>	new PowerPC and run an OS that reminds me of Married With Children.
>
>	Or worse--bubble gum.

Toilet paper?  Married with Children?  I don't get the connection to Pink?
When you say Pink, I think of Pink Floyd, or The Pink Panther, or fiberglass
insulation.  

If you say Toilet Paper, I think White, Bubble Gum, I think Spearamint, Married
With Children, I think Christina Applegate (which surprisingly enough brings us
back to sexy, but why on earth do you want a sexy computer.  My wife is fealous
enough of the time I spend on the computer already.  God forbid what would     
happen should I get a SEXY computer.  I don't think most warantees cover that
sort of damage.)

Christian Smith
From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: PowerPC
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:47:10 GMT
 <92351.173603ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> <1992Dec17.084540.4874@msc.cornell.edu>
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <1992Dec17.084540.4874@msc.cornell.edu>, maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu
(Maynard J. Handley) says:
>
>understand local bus. Have you ever heard of VESA? How about PCI?

I suspect PCI and VESA local bus have exactly the same specs ? I can put a
VESA local bus SCSI host adaptor in a PCI local bus mainboard ? And a
Corean local bus video board based on the new WC2001-Does-it-all video chipset
in the slot next to the SCSI ? And it will work ? Great!

If that new VESA standard does as good as the VESA video standard, then thanks
a lot.

Michael Bode
From: bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac multitasking?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:05:45 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco-ts2-line20.uoregon.edu

In article <6580.2b34cf2e@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
> In article <c3g503ATc19m00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>,  
alan@xserver.uts.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger) writes:
> > With great hesitation I respond.  From my perspective
> > The Mac does not multitask.  I run MacX and several 
> > applications.  WHen I send Excell off to compute or
> > my Hypertext work processor off to print, I cannot
> > check my mail (or read news) on my mainframe because
> > even system 7 does not multitask.  
> 
> You are incorrect. System 7 does multitask. Alas, Excel
> does not multitask during recalculations.
> 
> It is not the fault of the system software that certain applications aren't
> written according to guidelines. It is the fault of the application  
developer.
> 
> Moral: blame Microsoft, not Apple.
> 

Although I would agree to blame Microsoft for a lot, this is not one of them.  
The term multitasking means that the operating system takes care of running  
several processes/programs etc. at the same time -- making sure that everyone  
gets a fair amount of time and that no _one_ program/process can crash the  
entire machine.

Bjorn
From: soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Low formatting...
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:08:05 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Hello Macers!

One again I come to you for help!

Could anyone tell me if there is a hard drive low formatting
program available (either PD or commercial)? I have an SCSI
hard drive (perfectly working on other type of machines) but
refusing to work on a Mac. May be it is due to a low format 
problem.

Does anyone of you is using the Seagate ST1480N? Does it need any
driver to work with a Mac? What is the jumper setting to use it as
an internal drive? As an external drive? 

Thanks a lot in advance,

Richard Soubyran
soubyran@alize.ere.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss)
Subject: Re: un-amazing NeXT (was: Will the real Taligent please stand up?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:09:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.145202.3124@cuug.ab.ca> wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.144748.22143@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews) writes:
>>
>>
>>If I want to run Usenet News on my NeXT I have to ftp, compile, and  
>>configure C-News or INN; there is no uAccess for the NeXT (uAccess is a  
>>Mac point-and-click news implementation).
>>
>
>Actually CNews is compiled and packaged for you already. There's a package
>from the Vancouver User Group (I think) that makes installation simple.
>Best of all, it's free. uAccess certainly isn't. It's easier to
> [misc deleted]

I use NewsGrazer on our NeXTs for point and click news.  It comes as source
or complied and its was free.

>>If I want to configure the way my NeXT acts as an FTP server I have to  
>>muck with various configuration files; there is no FTPd for the Mac (FTPd  
>>is a Mac FTP server).
>>

I didn't have to do that with our NeXT's.  Are you refering to anonymous
FTP?  I haven't tried that.  


>
>>If I want to automatically mount a file server every time I boot my NeXT I  
>>have to edit some configuration files, not just check a box.
>>
>>If I want to tell my NeXT about a new network printer I have to edit a  
>>configuration file, not just open the Chooser and click on it.
>>
>
>Really? That's a surprise. Are you using 3.0?
>
Heck,  That's a surprise.  Are you using 2.1?   
I'm using automount mounts.  I guess it doesn't count as it only mounts the
file server when I actually use a file on the remote machine.





-- 
Jerry S. Weiss	  "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the antimatter!"
j-weiss@nwu.edu    Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School
From: Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: un-amazing NeXT (was: Will the real Taligent please stand up?)
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:02:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Dec21.220204.9088
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Sean Luke writes
> I suppose that's because you don't want to use NeXT's NewsGrazer,  
arguably  
> the best-designed news program around, and certainly far nicer than, oh,  
> say, NewsWatcher.

NewsGrazer *is* great -- I'm using it right now.  But installing C-News on  
my NeXT was a real pain.  And on the Mac you can choose among five or six  
news readers; I love NG but it isn't officially supported and if it dies  
there's nothing else.

> Why not just use the PrintManager?  This is hard?  

I just ran PrintManager, and it doesn't seem to know that we added a new  
HP printer to our print server a few months back.  If I ask the right  
people I can get its name and type it in; but on the Mac I only have to  
pick it from a list.

andrew@cubetech.com writes
> fsck runs automagically at startup while the pretty picture of a
> spinning disk is on the screen.  If fsck can't fix it, then the
> file-system is usually toast and it's far, far easier and faster to
> format the disk and restore from backup (you do backup your disks,
> right?).

My NeXT has twice had problems that were better solved with manual use of  
fsck than with a complete restore; but using fsck was much harder than  
using Norton.

> All you have to do is get cnews off an FTP site or any one of the
> several (5 or 6) CD-ROMs available, login as root, and double click
> on it.  Oh, you have to click the install button.

And then if you want to check your log files, add new groups, fiddle with  
expirations?  There is no NeXTSTEP interface for the administration of a  
news site.

> FTP works in the default configuration.

But anonymous ftp isn't enabled.  If I wanted to enable it I would have to  
pull out the man pages and fire up some ancient tools; on the Mac I could  
point and click.

> Every configuration file that is not needed explicitly in single user
> mode (swaptab, fstab, disktab, and a couple others) has been replaced
> by NetInfo.  The NetInfo database can be modified with NetInfoManager
> along with a bunch of other special purpose utilities.

But NetInfo doesn't work in a multi-vendor environment.  I have to export  
to text files, edit, and re-import; it would be easier if NetInfo didn't  
exist.

> In any event, naive users dont need to and shouldn't change these
> types of things, even with easy to use utilities, with the exception
> of printer stuff, as they comprehend neither the concepts nor the
> effects of their actions.  That is the sysadmin's job, and these
> utilites make it easy for the sysadmin to do his job.

My point exactly -- the Mac lets users do things that on a NeXT require a  
sysadmin.

Jim Matthews
Dartmouth Software Development
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361)
Subject: Re: un-amazing NeXT (was: Will the real Taligent please stand up?)
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:52:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.144748.22143@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews) writes:
>
>What if my disk crashes and I need to recover it -- there is no Norton  
>Disk Doctor for the NeXT, just fsck.

Norton Disk Doctor doesn't ship with the Mac, does it?

>
>If I want to run Usenet News on my NeXT I have to ftp, compile, and  
>configure C-News or INN; there is no uAccess for the NeXT (uAccess is a  
>Mac point-and-click news implementation).
>

Actually CNews is compiled and packaged for you already. There's a package
from the Vancouver User Group (I think) that makes installation simple.
Best of all, it's free. uAccess certainly isn't. It's easier to
justify doing a half hour of work than spending $300. Besides, there
really aren't any other point-and-click UUCP/News applications on the
Mac. If you want a shareware app, you have to configure it, just like
on the NeXT.

>If I want to configure the way my NeXT acts as an FTP server I have to  
>muck with various configuration files; there is no FTPd for the Mac (FTPd  
>is a Mac FTP server).
>

Seems to me there's not a lot of security on Mac FTP servers.

>If I want to automatically mount a file server every time I boot my NeXT I  
>have to edit some configuration files, not just check a box.
>
>If I want to tell my NeXT about a new network printer I have to edit a  
>configuration file, not just open the Chooser and click on it.
>

Really? That's a surprise. Are you using 3.0?

>Unix provides a lot of power, and access to lots of software; but it also  
>provides an excuse not to write NeXTSTEP programs where command-line Unix  
>tools already exist.  The result is that there are many things that can  
>only be done from the Unix command line, or by editing configuration  
>files, and that makes the NeXT less useful for a large class of users.
>

Whereas on the Mac you get to pay for these basic utilities. Now that you've
brought this up, I'll learn more Unix. I'd rather have to learn some 
command line stuff than get nickel and dimed to death.

Terry Wilcox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Subject: Re: un-amazing NeXT (was: Will the real Taligent please stand up?)
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:50:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.144748.22143@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews) writes:
> If I want to run Usenet News on my NeXT I have to ftp, compile, and  
> configure C-News or INN; there is no uAccess for the NeXT (uAccess  
is a  
> Mac point-and-click news implementation).

I'm currently using NewsGrazer on a NeXTstation --the nicest GUI news  
reader I've seen (does some neat tricks with mulitmedia posts too  
(e.g. from alt.binary.pictures.* groups).


> 
> If I want to configure the way my NeXT acts as an FTP server I have  
to  
> muck with various configuration files; there is no FTPd for the Mac  
(FTPd  
> is a Mac FTP server).

All the tools you need to do this use the NeXTSTEP graphical interface  
(in the NextAdmin folder) --you don't need to look at any "config  
files."

> 
> If I want to automatically mount a file server every time I boot my  
NeXT I  
> have to edit some configuration files, not just check a box.
> 
> If I want to tell my NeXT about a new network printer I have to edit  
a  
> configuration file, not just open the Chooser and click on it.

Honestly, from these comments, I get the impression you've never used  
a NeXTstation.  Yes, you can do some things by editing (UNIX) config  
files --if you want to.  But you don't have to, and I usually don't --  
I use the GUI admin tools, and they are very easy.  In fact, before I  
moved to the NeCXT platform, I had no UNIX sysadmin experience --now,  
I manage a network of 30 NeXTstations in my spare time.

The *only* time I have to edit config files is when I'm working at  
home, from a vt100 (emulation) terminal, remotely logged on to a  
machine that the user is having a problem with (which, by the way,  
can't be done in the Mac environment).

> 
> Unix provides a lot of power, and access to lots of software; but it  
also  
> provides an excuse not to write NeXTSTEP programs where command-line  
Unix  
> tools already exist.  The result is that there are many things that  
can  
> only be done from the Unix command line, or by editing configuration  
> files, and that makes the NeXT less useful for a large class of  
users.
> 
> Jim Matthews
> Dartmouth Software Development

This has not been my experience.

With all good wishes,
Phil

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From: CTLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: illegal mac emulation
Date: 28 Dec 92 05:56:36 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

The Emplant emulator uses MAC II roms and there are many Amiga BBSs with the
MAC IIX rom on them for use with the emulator. As far as Amiga users are concer
ned. They don't need to purchase the rom. So the product promotes the piracy of
the MAC II ROM.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361)
Subject: Re: Mac vs. NeXT (was Mac Multitasking?)
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:10:25 GMT

In article <168C1F280.UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.193836.7297@cuug.ab.ca>
>wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361) writes:
> 
>>I hope NeXT never goes mainstream. Mainstream means an inability to innovate.
>>Your user base is too large and they don't want change. Mediocrity sets in.
>>
>So I guess this means you are against Nexts move into the intel
>world with NS486?
> 

Let's just say I'm not going to buy it. It may be a good marketing move,
but NeXT will suffer when NS486 doesn't work correctly with 
No-Name-Brand brand name clones with Cheapo brand kinda-VGA cards, etc.
There's just too much junk in the PC world. I like my integrated
hardware/software.

Terry Wilcox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: Multiple button mice vs keys(was:Macintosh advocacy (really!))
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 04:58:55 GMT

> I've seen exactly ZERO arguments that a one-button mouse driven computer has
> any less functionality than a multi-button mouse driven computer. Indeed,  
I've
> have asked for arguments along this vein several times and come up empty.
> 
> > Without a slow moving
> > GUI (especially System 7) the computer would operate much quicker with
> > really simple command line interface.  Hell....why not communicate with it
> > in machine code????  Damn quick.
> 
> Quick for the computer, maybe, but difficult to the humans.
> 
> > I'd rather use a GUI cuz it's easy.
> > I'd rather use a multiple button mouse even though it's harder to learn.
> 
> And harder to use. And slower.
> 
> > choice.
> 
> Foolishness.
> 
> -- 
> Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958

Chuckle :-)

In general, I agree with Bill Coleman, in favor of the one-button mouse.   
However, now I wouldn't want to give up my two-button mouse for the world.   
Why?  Keep reading.

I have a NeXT, which ships with a two-button mouse.  As shipped, the default  
configuration for the NeXT is that the right button does exactly the same thing  
as the left.  Hence, in the default configuration, the mouse is essentially a  
one-button mouse.  However...

In my current preferred configuration, I have the application menu dragged  
completely off the screen (i.e., more screen real-estate for the app), plus I  
have the right mouse button configured to pop the menu up under the cursor  
whenever I push the button.  Thus, the application menu is instantly accessable  
where ever the mouse is, without having to go to the title bar like other  
systems require.  Also, I don't lose the fifteen or so rows of pixels that the  
menu occupies on other systems, since the menu is never on the screen until I  
push the right mouse button.

Other than menu selection, the right button does nothing.  *Everthing* else is  
accomplished with the left button.  Hence, if your stuck with always having  
your application menu occupy precious screen real-estate in the title bar area  
like other systems require (and NO monitor is ever BIG enough!), I guess you  
might as well have a one-button mouse :-).

I guess it's all in what your used to...

--
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NeXTmail preferred, but ONLY at my REAL email address: nevin@dtint.dtint.com

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