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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Fun staff about religon. Re: Existence of God
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:25:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.030550.7730@ucc.su.OZ.AU> yongbai@physics.su.OZ.AU (Yongbai Yin) writes:
>In article <C1GzAr.5sC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>
>>1. Religion is created by the genius, spreaded by the wise, believed by the fool;
>>2. The biggest, longest-lasted lie of human kind is religion;
>>
>>3. One religion teaching prohibit eating pork, because pig is "filthy". 
>...............>
>>6. One religion prohibits eating beef.
>>

I don't usually agree with Shi Chunde's posts, but the above
is a real funny & good one.  
>>as pl
>	Hi, my friend, all religions prohibit eating human.  Do you feel
>  uncomfortable for this prohibation?
>
argh!  there were plenty of "scarifice a virgin girl to the GOD ***** now and 
everything's going to be alright for us men and there'll be harvest
and plenty of food" religion.  :-)

and the current day religions, "civilized" as they seem, all started
and evolved from one of those "idiotic & cruel" pagan religions.  
so don't get too excited about any of them.  
 
>	In the broadest sense, no religion is a sort of religion.  The rest of
>the question thus should be "which one could be more helpful for residence of
>human being on the earth", as none of them is perfect.  No religion, it seems
>to me, is one of the worst religions.  Do you believe this?  

why can we believe & uphold a set of social principles, moral beliefs,
or do we have to package them with how great the god/gods/goddess are,
how they look after us, created the universe, etc?  
>
>	NO RELIGION === "Po4 Si4 Jiu4, Li2 Si4 Xing" == Disaster.

hah, nonbelievers, you're all going to hell!
infidels!  God is Great! Allah Akbar!   :-)    

>
>Yongbai
>
>
>
From: math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Luo, Youngping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:41 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan22.154212.15261@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com (Edward Zhong) writes...
>In article <1993Jan21.210322.26535@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>>In article <C17w4A.2yE@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>> >...
>>> >When i asked my formal classmate in Shenzhen, his
>>> >response is: 10000$/year is only half of his income...
>>> 
>>> Few days ago, a taxi driver in Shanghai told me that he eraned about 
>>> $20,000/yr. "I will retire in a few years, after I gain enough money.
>>> ". He is only in his 30s(I guess from his appearance).
>>
>>This is actually a problem in current China. A taxi driver can earn $20,000 a  
>>year while most teachers can only make $200-$300 a year.
>>
>>Carl
> 
>it is also true in US. one of my friend drives taxi in nyc (with a MA degree :).
>he makes about $1000 in cash weekly which is equivalent a $70,000/year salary.
>but most of the school teachers only have a $15,000 income per year.
> 
>i think the taxi drivers deserve the money by working more than 11 hours a day
>and worrying to be robbed or even be killed every minute on the road. i don't
>understand what make teachers deserve more, most of them don't know nothing
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>anyway.
 ^^^^^^

Anyone who makes such comments has to be some kind of failure himself in school
or maybe he has a strong feeling of insecurity. I suggest that you see a doctor
immediately. Even that, I am afraid, may not help. Good luck!      
>--ed
> 
> 
>-- 
>=================================================================================
>Ed Zhong, Motorola Inc. (LMPS)      |  my money works for me;
>edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                     |  i work to make my money work for me.
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                        This is just pathetic.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Insiders 3 of 4
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:40:49 GMT

REPOSTING

From ulowell!das.wang.com!uunet!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news-is-not-mail Sat Jan 23 19:21:03 EST 1993
Article: 21496 of alt.conspiracy
From: lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:53:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <93Jan27.154627est.126@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
<(deleted)
<also her other younger sister Ai Ling

This tells us how much you really know about the Beauty-3.
<
<>not.  That probably will tell you something about her.
<>
<i believe someone said about Song sisters as:  
<"One loves money, One loves power, and one loves her country."  
<Short description but very much to the point.  

That is merely propoganda. Madam Sun loves power? People love her because
she never tried to grasp power.
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: engp2109@nusunix1.nus.sg (WU ZHANGYI)
Subject: Looking for LIN(2) MEI(2)
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:15:04 GMT

Who knows Lin Mei (graduated from Beijing Polytechnic Unvi. in 1986)?
Please reply to E-mail : engp2109@nusvm.bitnet.

Thank you!
From: an7955@anon.penet.fi (a.committee.of.real.tibetans)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.china
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:18:02 GMT

In article <93Jan26.141358est.166@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> you write:
>>Further, the Panchen Lama spoke out against the Chinese regime toward the 
>>end of his life.  He died of mysterious circumstances shortly after he started
>>to speak out.  
>>
>He did criticize certain things, in my opinion it was within the CCP 
...... deletions....
>on the plateau.  now, why do they kill him first(a well planned & sneaky one 
>obviously to make it look like a accident in a public ceremony), and then 
>scratch heads and torning their hair 'cause they lost the No. 1 counterweight 
>to Dalai, and had no idea how to replace him.  The invaders are not that stupid,
>are they?   

They are very stupid; that is why the invasion of Tibet has been such a 
public relations disaster for the Chinese regime internationally.        

The Panchen Lama was jailed soon after the invasion.  He was suitably 
"rehabilitated" and then turned into a mouthpiece for the government. When
he failed to toe the line, he died (of what causes is not established). 

A Committee of Real Tibetans
 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Living cost in China
Summary: $20,000 is a possible income for a taxi driver.
Keywords: $20,000 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:41:01 GMT

I am too busy, and sorry for responding so late.

Let me show that the taxi driver was innocent when he self-claimed
a $20,000 yearly income. 

He works 14 hours a day, having lunch during a service interval. 
He needs to pay a sorta tax of 6,000 RMB each month. His car is 
insured by his company, DaZhong, the largest one among many others
like Shanghai, Zhenhua... The exchange rate was less than 7:1 for 
the last whole year(7.7:1 now). He drives about 350km each day, or
25km(=16 mile) each hour. He can get 50 RMB, when he finds a 
customer to/from HongQiao Airport from/to Shanghai Train Station, 
which covers a distance of 30 km. To get the yearly income, he just 
needs about 14 customers every day. That is, 1 customer/hr., which 
is not that difficult at all for him.

If you still don't believe this, go there to sign a three year
contract with one of the taxi companies, as the taxi driver did. 
It will be a good deal. :|

That's why "Xia4Hai3"("go to the sea" to catch money) is becoming
more and more popular as "go oversea" did.

Happy Chinese New Year, Roosters, males and females!  :0



Article 76300 of soc.culture.china:
>A simple arithmetic will tell that a taxi driver can NOT make 20,000 US 
>dollars a year.  The current rate of taxi is 1.60 RMB/km with 14.40 RMB
>minimum (9 km's), which is approximately $2.  To make $20,000 a year, he or
>she has to make $60 a day, and so has to carry 30 passengers or drive 
>250 km a day, without even mentioning the expense for gas and maintenance 
>of the vehicle.  It is even not that easy to make $60 a day in this 
>country if you don't have a regular job.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China's GNP and why Steven Lin is so biased?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:08:36 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <1jrcrbINNaic@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> guowei@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Guo Wei) writes:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>Subject: Re: China's GNP
>Summary: 
>Expires: 
>References: <1jo4c9INNd9o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <lm0u5hINNa5g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
>Sender: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: world
>Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <lm0u5hINNa5g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>In article <1jo4c9INNd9o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>  (Guo Wei) writes:
>
......

>How do you know the higher number is given by CCP? I begin to doubt that you are
>so biased that you just couldn't accept different opinions. Acutally, CCP and
>mainland government never, ever uses the higher number. Most of these numbers
>are given by Westerners because they are confused about the official GNP and
>the reality. Mainland government always publishes the GNP number either in terms
>of RMB or gives the euivalent USD according to official exchange rate(which is
>about $380).t

I've heard the $380 is due to the cut off line in UN. As the anual
payment to UN is based on the country GNP. If the personnal income is
below $400, then the payment will be decreased drastically. (not
confirmed by any official)

......

>    Mr. Steven Lin, can I ask you a personal question? Do you have any relative
>that was killed by CCP? The reason I ask you this question is that I could not
>figure out any other reason that make your opinion about CCP and mainland so
>basied.  I have read a lot your postings and that's the conclusion I draw. 
>Although there are a lot of guys from Taiwan always arguing with mainlanders
>about this and that but none of them like you, so single-minded and unreasonablethat for a time I doubt you have mental problems.
>
In America, very often Chinese have the feeling they are only the secord
class people. (whether it is real or not) Different people have
different way to handle this problem. The easiest way is to degrade
another group people. Psychologically, they will feel better for
themselves by this. Actually, this is a human nature. (we've seen such
behaviour everywhere) And the less educated people the easier to adopt
such kind mentality. Luckily, this is only scc. In real life, you will
face much more ugly truth.

Tingli Pan    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:02:10 GMT

The taxi driver might be exaggerating.  Some age groups (e.g. young men) and some
cultures (e.g. Arab) like to brag about money.  Many Americans are the opposite.
Many Americans will tell you the intimate details of their sexual activities
long before they will tell you their income or how much they paid for a house.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sxz0757@cs.rit.edu (Shaochun X Zhu)
Subject: (none)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:51:58 GMT

tteesstt.. test
From: fang@phy.duke.edu (Fang Zhong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Two One-way airline tickets for sale (LAX->Chicago->RDU)
Keywords: American Airline On Thursday, March 18, 1993
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:25:52 GMT
Distribution: usa

The American Airline flights on Thursday, March 18, 1993:

Flight 88:   Leave   Los Angeles     at  1:01 pm
             Arrive  Chicago/Ohare   at  7:03 pm

Flight 2006: Leave   Chicago/Ohare   at  7:59 pm
             Arrive  Raleigh/Durham  at 10:43 pm

I would sale each ticket for $130, or one leg for $65.
I can get a boarding pass for you once you purchase the ticket.

Please reply to me at fang@phy.duke.edu

PS: The names on the tickets are Chinese.

-- 
	Fang Zhong				1-919-660-2524
	Duke University Dept. of Physics	fang@phy.duke.edu
	Durham, N.C.      27706			
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: L.S.U. Professor says Indians Suck !!
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:29:05 GMT


yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:

> I think it would be a good idea for a lot of the graduate programs
> to scale down. (They can hire some "permanent TAs" to replace the
> graduate students.)  That way those who goes through the programs
> will at least have a chance. 

Well, unfortunately, professors in one field cannot be easily retrained
to become an expert in another field. It is just like what happens in
other industries in our society. Some people can adept to changes brought
by progress in technology, most people don't. So, it takes the law of
economy to fix it.

I like to compare doing research with doing business in the oil industry.
Basically, you have two choices: finding new oil fields or digging deeper
into the well to get more oil. Both approaches have their own risks.
A layman may not know what is the expected return for each approach in
a particular situation, but not the experts working in the field for years.
But in general, the law of diminishing return favors the choice of finding
the new fields. Also remember, if you are newcomers to the oil industry,
even if you have a revolutionary technique to find new oil fields, don't
forget to pay homage to the established oil interests.

Anyway, from this perspective, scaling down grad. programs seems to me
only a passive solution. (Look, I don't deny that some grad. programs
need to be scaled down, or even cancelled. It actually happens.) But to me,
the more active/positive solution is to find new research fields. That, I
believe, is how the research industry has grown to today's size and as our
society is moving toward to the knowledge-based civilization, this trend
can only continue. Besides, if we treasure our opportunities to do research,
it seems to me that we should help to create more such opportunities, rather
than decreasing them. A student first comes to join the research industry
may tend to look at this (finding new research fields) as a problem of well
established researchers. Actually, as our old Chinese saying, ~{HKEB3vC{~}
~{VmEBW3~}, a well established researcher may have more reasons to stay in
the old field rather than going out to find a new field even the old one
is not rewarding anymore. But if you have doing research in mind, why wait
for them if they are not moving? So, I think this is as much the grad.
students' responsibility as their advisers.

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: hhs@cs.purdue.edu (HongHai Shen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Need help, IBM
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:40:40 -0500
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: lisa.cs.purdue.edu
Keywords: Employment regulation, IBM

Dear netters, 

I remember that sometime in the past, a student posted an article in the
newsgroup saying that he was formally employed by IBM (not through a
contracting company!) , although he was from PRC and did not have PR.
I wonder if anyone could provide me with more information about this person, 
or how he got around the US regulation of prohabitting high-tech companies
from employing PRCers.

Any information is grately appreciated.

Please reply to hhs@lisa.cs.purdue.edu

Thanks.

HongHai Shen
hhs@cs.purdue.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: Re: ftp site for chinese song
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:17:43 GMT




From LCHEN2@edu.utoledo.uoft02 Wed Jan 20 23:43:31 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: LCHEN2@edu.utoledo.uoft02
Subject: Re: ftp site for chinese song
To: H.Wang@uk.ac.bradford
X-Envelope-To: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
X-Vms-To: in%"90908648@bradford.ac.uk"
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Content-Length: 432

        I just visited the dale.ssc.gov ftp site and D/L the S15.Liu_San_Jie
file (1.1M).

  	Can these songs be played on PC? I have tried using REMAC as in the
instruction of 00.audio???, but Liu San-Jie refused to sing for me. May she
considered me as a rich landlord, but unfortunately, I am just a poor Shu1
Sheng1. No sound came out of the internal speaker. 

	Can some experts give me the answer?

L.C.
University of Toledo.
From: yueji@pollux.usc.edu (Yue Ji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: SUB SOC.CULTURE.CHINA
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:14:10 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Anybody know where I can FTP RDB, a relational database management system
for UNIX, please tell me this information. Thanks a lot in advance.

Yue Ji



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hmc@nynexst.com (Harry Chang)
Subject: Looking for Zhang Do from Nanjiing University (Class:73-77) 
Keywords: Nanjiing University, PRC 
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:35:29 GMT

I am looking for a old college classmate, Zhang Do. We went to
Nanjiing University for an undergraduate study in Computer Science
between 1973 to 1977. I knew that he came to the U.S. around 1983
and studied in Chicago area (don't know which school). Thanks for any
info.

Harry Chang (Zhang Xiaoming)
White Plains, NY
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: gaur@cs.uiuc.edu (Rajeeva Gaur)
Subject: Re: For your information..........
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:39:59 GMT

ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid) writes:
>many sensible people agree on this fact.

>thinking of a genocide of Indian in India.  I hope sensible Pakis 
>will not do the same in Pakistan and will protect every single hindu
>from any mishap.

Recently US Govt. has scolded Pakistan on not treating its
minorities (Ahamadias, Christians, and Hindus) right. This
report has nothing to do with the BM/RJB issue. So, please 
don't say that Pakis (except for a few) are sensible.

regards,
Rajeeva Gaur
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:01:21 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In <C1Ip9H.2rs@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>OK, I think I am smarter than them. Are you saying that inorder to avoid the
>"transfer" there is a self-destroy device which can sense abnormal movement,
>so that if the satellite is sent to the other orbit, it will blow up?
>When Chinese tried to send it to another orbit and hope to recycle it later
>it explored? Or, it has touched down somewhere and got by the Chinese?


Gee, you sure are smart and imaginative. Please subscribe to alt.conspiracy,
they need more people like you. 

-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34970 soc.culture.hongkong:17331 soc.culture.taiwan:17389
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:14:38 EST
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Close-end fund related with China.

 Several person asked me about mutual fund related with China. it happend
that I have a file save from other day. I post it here again and hope it
helps anyone interested.
                  ************************
Newsgroups: misc.invest
Subject: CHINA - closed end funds - information
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:32:06 GMT


I posted a question a few weeks ago asking for phone numbers of the
three new closed-end funds investing in China.  I got a large number
of responses, but most were from folks requesting that I distribute
the info when i received it.  (The rest were from kind souls explaining
to me that it might be risky to invest in China.)  So, assuming there is
some interest, here's the info...

                      Symbol    Info ph#
Greater China Fund      GCH     800-852-4750
China Fund              CHN     212-667-6000
Jardine Fleming China   JFC     800-638-8540

These are all new.  Started in July.  You can get a prospectus by
calling the numbers shown above.

Disclaimer:  This is not a recommendation.  Just info.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan