HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL : New group alt.swimming-with-clothes
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:22:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.171125.17494@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme) writes:

>Why an alt.* group ?
>--------------------
>
>Because this is a rather exotic topic. The traffic would probably be quite
>small, and I don't think it would suffice for a group in the rec.sports.*
>hierarchy.

Besides the fact that "swimming-with-clothes" is too long to be the
component of a newsgroup name, this is a perfect reason to try a
mailing list on the topic before creating a newsgroup.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: 'alt' group proposed - alt.quotations
Date: 18 Dec 1992 05:47:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Global Village?? Usenet? Quotations

Someone pointed out to me that ( Thanks, Dave! ) internet has an 
international distribution, and some places don't have either the
Bartlett's or the Oxford's, if they "have English libraries in the first
place." I think quoting from these two books is ok, especially if someone makes
a requst for folklore about a certain subject. Even if that person could
possibly have easy access to above-mentioned books, oversea readers may
want to know as well. This is the global village, isn't it? =)

Chua
+==+
Common sense is not so common.
			- Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.saved.by.the.bell
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:50:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.010114.17579@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>alt.exploitation?
>
>Perhaps there's some confusion -- I meant Saved By The Bell,
>the teen-oriented comedy television show on NBC (I think --
>my local NBC station does not carry it, but it's on cable...)

No confusion.  Alt.exploitation.  Alt.exploitation.teen, to be exact.
Sounds like a perfect description.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: New group proposal: alt.conservative.forum
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:41:26 GMT

In article <92351.220402KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>Then we'd better call it 'soc.dittoheads'.  Same difference, right?
>>The existence of flames like this when someone even _mentions_ conservatism
>>is exactly why such a newsgroup is needed.
>Flame?  What flame?  Geez. I, sir, AM a dittohead, and I look forward to the
>few glimmers of conservatism which shine through the liberal murk on the net.
>I just don't think we need a moderated newsgroup.  I don't like at all the
>argument that since there's a soc.feminism, that there should be a moderated
>conservative group.  (Which should be called soc.dittoheads, to balance out
>soc.feminism.)

Sorry.  I wasn't aware "dittoheads" was a real word.

Though "soc.dittoheads" would be a bad name, unless you want the newsgroup
to specifically cover only Rush Limbaugh fans who understand what it means.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
      The truth is still the truth even if you choose to ignore it.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.atheism
From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.santaism
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Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:06:20 GMT

I propose a new group dedicated to discussion of the religion Santaism.
Some points in its favor:

 - Santaism is practiced, to some degree, by hundreds of millions
   of people world-wide, especially in the English-speaking world
   where netnews is concentrated.

 - The evidence for the existence of Santa is precisely as good as
   the evidence for any other religion's holy figure.

 - Anyone who objects to the newsgroup will get a lump of coal.

All varieties of Santaists would be welcome in this group, from
the Fundamentalists (believe that Santa exists as a corporeal being,
lives at the North Pole, and personally vists every chimney in the
world in one night), to the Reform Santaists (believe that the
presents are placed under the tree by loving parents, but that
those parents are animated by the all-pervading spirit of Santa).

Since Santaism's yearly holy day is only two weeks away, I would
like to move quickly on this newsgroup.  If I don't hear any
objections (coal...) I'll send out the newgroup tomorrow.
---
Jef

           Jef Poskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
   "Santa Claus wears a Red Suit ... he must be a communist.  And a
   beard and long hair ... must be a pacifist.  What's in that pipe
                    he's smoking?" -- Arlo Guthrie
Xref: sparky alt.config:7933 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:10201
From: pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu (if God's your Father then call home!)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: New group proposal: alt.conservative.forum
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:46:49 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu (if God's your Father then call home!)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu


My response to assorted goings on concerning alt.conservative.forum:
|>>> I would like to formally propose a new group, alt.conservative.forum, 
|>>> a moderated group to discuss conservative values and assorted political
|>>> goings-on from a distinctly right-wing standpoint.
|>
|>>"moterated", as in only politically correct conservative doctrine allowed?
|>
|>Politically correct conservative doctrine? Now *that's* an oxymoron if
|>I've ever heard one.
|>
|>I thought conservatives were as far from political correctness as you
|>could get.

Yer darn tootin'. I have never claimed to be politically correct.  I don't WANT
to be politically correct.

Now that that's done...

My vision of the group is a discussion group of conservative issues, and yes,
the purpose is for conservatives to own at least one group in the alt.* hiearchy
just like they own just one show on television (unless you count the 700 club,
which I don't).  Yes, that would likely involve limiting liberal discussion;
that would really be dependent on the moderator.

Other concerns I have seen raised:

I have heard the name alt.politics.conservative proposed in the stead of alt.
conservative.forum so as not to form a new hiearchy for one group.  I have no
complaint if noone else does.

I'm not looking to be the moderator of this group; I'd much rather have some 
help.  I'm still very much net-clueless, even after a year of using the thing...

and one other thing:  apologies to the guy from Finland for not specifing the 
United States of America as the country I was referring to.  I didn't know that
conservatives existed in other parts of the world...8-)

more e-mail welcome!
--
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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.books,alt.non.sequitur
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22 (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:14:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.212115.16798@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.101528.13181@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.044503.21309@cheshire.oxy.edu> wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Hey!  I got an idea!  How about a group called alt.fan.catch-22?  I've
>>>>always been a big fan of Joseph Heller's masterpiece.  Yossarian Lives!
>>>>
>>>>Heh heh heh heh heh.
>>>>
>>> I think Catch-22 is the closest thing to a bible there is for me...
>>>
>>> Form the newsgroup, or I'll slit your throat from ear to ear.. :)
>>
>>*blink*  
>>
>>Wow, someone else on the net brave enough to admit that Catch-22 makes a
>>lot more sense for them than the real Bible.  Nately's whore would be proud!
>
>That was _my_ idea for the Catch-22 newsgroup.  Here it is:           
>alt.flame.hairy-douchebag.natelys-whore.
>
>But I vote yes on any Catch-22 newsgroup, because my missions have been
>raised to 75.
>

Do what Yossarian would do.  Move the bombing line north of Bologna and
then you don't have to go there.  (Of course, Major ____ de Coverly will
get captured by the Germans when he flies in to set up apartments for
airmen on leave, but hey, things like that happen.)

Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.computers,news.groups
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: The puppy is dead - alt.folklore.computers will not change
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:32:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.122951.6200@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
>
>
>For details, watch for a posting with RESULT and comp.society.folklore
>in the Subject line, coming soon to these newsgroups.
>
>-- 
>Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com

HOORAY!  WE DID IT!	



Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22 (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 10:22:38 GMT

In article <Bz5H4o.GHM@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Followups are set to alt.config.
>
>In article <1992Dec12.031403.25703@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>
>>Hey!  I got an idea!  How about a group called alt.fan.catch-22?  I've
>>always been a big fan of Joseph Heller's masterpiece.  Yossarian Lives!
>
>Could it be put anywhere other than alt.fan?  How about
>alt.books.catch-22?  (Yes, I *know* it was a movie.  The book came
>first.  Ppppbpbpbpththth.)  alt.fan has become so bloated it's
>practically misc.misc.

I read the book years before I saw the movie... I *know* it was a book.  I
still wonder why they pared the book down as much as they did.  Playboy
ran a chapter called "Yossarian Survives" (I think) that was all about
Yossarian and the guys avoiding physical training.  They had an instructor
who told them that judo was the American fighting-man's best weapon. 
Another told them that tap dance was the best skill an American
fighting-man could have.  Then an American heavyweight boxer came along
and told them that the left jab was the best weapon an American
fighting-man had.  About this time, Yossarian had a mental image of
judo-equipped tapdancing American fighting-men left-jabbing their way
through Hitler's troops and decided that all things considered it made
more sense to make use of his perpetual 101 degree temperature and retreat
to the infirmary.  

Or something like that.  Heller's a genius.

The reason, though, that I don't think alt.books.catch-22 makes as much
sense as alt.fan.catch-22 is that the concept of Catch-22 is more than
just a book or movie... it's the whole insanity of war, society, and life.
Crazy pilots aren't allowed to fly missions.  But the only way you can get
yourself taken off a mission as being crazy is to ask to be taken off, and
asking to be taken off missions would prove that you're sane.  Catch-22.

It's more than just a book.  It's more than just a movie.  Catch-22 is a
way of life.

Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?  
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: New group proposal: alt.conservative.forum
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:46:39 GMT

In <1992Dec15.125619.8891@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:

>> I would like to formally propose a new group, alt.conservative.forum, 
>> a moderated group to discuss conservative values and assorted political
>> goings-on from a distinctly right-wing standpoint.

>"moterated", as in only politically correct conservative doctrine allowed?

Politically correct conservative doctrine? Now *that's* an oxymoron if
I've ever heard one.

I thought conservatives were as far from political correctness as you
could get.

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: oea@usit.uio.no (Odd Einar Aurbakken)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:04:00 GMT

[I edited the newsgroups line, don't believe in posting to nonexitent groups]

In article <BzL5FJ.E3D@world.std.com>, kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:
> I'm for it.  NY's the second-biggest state in the country, and ny.* and
> alt.great.lakes just don't cut it.

That might be right, but don't forget you are promoting a _world_ wide
group, I belive that to be an overkill.

-oea
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: This is ONLY a concept
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:30:37 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Dec12.130806.12064@nevada.edu> thealien@nevada.edu (Minstrel Alien) writes:
>From: thealien@nevada.edu (Minstrel Alien)
>Subject: This is ONLY a concept
>Date: 12 Dec 92 13:08:06 GMT


>        What exactly is needed to justify an alt.fan group?

>                What I conceptualize at the moment is

>                        alt.fan.boc

>To discuss the music, background, etc of the group Blue Oyster Cult.

>                Since I have no idea whether this would be appropriate, 
>any response would be welcome.

>Where the <bleep> did my .sig go?
>The Alien[DZ89]

Maybe rec.music would be better?

ETI live!
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,news.admin
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery.* new newsgroups
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:03:17 GMT

Sherri (sfjr@wam.umd.edu) wrote:

: And I see that Bill is creating a new group as well, a moderated group.
: Don't you both see that you are the posters who more people are trying
: to avoid or are most disturbed from than anyone on the current newsgroup?
: I'm not saying that to attack either one of you (though I'm fully prepared
: for both ofyou to get very angry with me).  I'm just saying that either
: of you starting a newsgroup will not solve the problems you are hoping
: to alleviate.  Lots of people on a.s.a.r. care deeply about both of you,
: and I include myself in that group, but I also think that if either of
: you start a newsgroup, that will put you in a position of authority for
: the readers of that group--and I'm talking about perceptions of authority,

I tend to see sweeping generalization posts such as this to be thinly
disguised attempts at manipulation.  In fact, the response I have gotten
has been pretty positive.  As for being in some sort of position of
authority, nothing could be further from the truth.  If it's an unmoderated
newsgroup (which, as my proposal said, would be true for all three groups)
no one has *any* control over what is posted or not posted.  I can't speak
for Bill, but I am certainly not being avoided by anyone here that I have
regularly cooresponded with.

: not actual power--and neither of you are the sort of authority figure that
: it will be healthy for survivors of sexual abuse to deal with.

And you are?  Who is setting themselves up as an authority figure?  Certainly
not I.  And keep in mind that this is just your opinion - it certainly isn't
fact, and shouldn't be presented as such.

Am I angry at you?  No.  Am I peeved at what I see as an attempt to manipulate
others' opinion here?  Yes.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

Who and what would you be if you went beyond your deepest fears?
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Alt.quotes newsgroup?
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:33:33 GMT
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

RE alt.quotes newsgroup:

djb6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
  +
  +A cute idea.  Are you sure it wouldn't step on alt.folklore.urban's toes?
  +They seem to have a monopoly on the witticisms of Winston Churchill
  +(or maybe it was Disraeli?)

Nope.  There's lots to go around.  We have the cannonical [sic] list
of what Churchill said and, more importantly, would have said.

Terry "I think Gladstone said that" Chan 
--
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Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
Xref: sparky alt.config:7956 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:10252
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:04:57 EST
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: New group proposal: alt.conservative.forum
 <92350.145137KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <BzBL42.4wC@unix.amherst.edu>

In article <BzBL42.4wC@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
says:

>>Why do we need a moderated group?  There are intelligent liberals here, who
>>help stimulate thought.  The stupid ones are easy to ignore (or flame, which-
>>ever is your preference. :)
>It still creates noise.  If we can have a moderated soc.feminism
>group, we can have a moderated group for conservatism.

Then we'd better call it 'soc.dittoheads'.  Same difference, right?

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Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.music.ska
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 03:32:33 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
Keywords: DONE!
Summary: alt.music.ska has been created....

<IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

> OK.... I see alt.music ska HAS been requested.
> In that case, I second, third, and fourth the motion.


OK, I've created the group. Give it a day or so to ensure it has
reached your site before posting to it.......


--
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Dawghaus BBS -> +64 (6) 357-9245                New Zealand
       "A wet and windy place at the bottom of the World"


Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.books
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.catch-22 (Was: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.anne-rice)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:17:55 GMT

In article <Bz7Gvv.CI7@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.102238.13324@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (JKF) writes:
>
>>The reason, though, that I don't think alt.books.catch-22 makes as much
>>sense as alt.fan.catch-22 is that the concept of Catch-22 is more than
>>just a book or movie... it's the whole insanity of war, society, and life.
>
>Rhetoric aside, it's a book.
>
>>It's more than just a book.  It's more than just a movie.  Catch-22 is a
>>way of life.
>
>alt.religion.catch-22?

It's _more_ than a religion.  (Actually, I don't know of people who
_worship_ Catch-22... but who knows?)  At the risk of being taken out back
and beaten by the weasels, I timidly note that perhaps alt.catch-22 might
be appropriate.  Namespace battles smack of Catch-22 all the time, as the
worthies in the alt.dragons-inn and alt.pub.dragons-inn groups and the
dedicated foes of Bruce Becker would probably agree.
From: somebody-else@cup.portal.com (Jon S Novak)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.fan.rita-rudner
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:41:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Go for it man!
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Submitted For Your Approval
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.223603.26050@cs.sfu.ca> jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:

>Well, so much for the debate.

Indeed.  What can I say?  It was discussed in alt.config: it will be
created here.  <sigh>

I wish people like Conner would think a little bit before pulling
their itchy newgroup finger.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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