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Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:55:16 IST
From: Shlomo <X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: (C)Rap "music"
 <50vntag.dx@netcom.com> <1992Sep13.185254.27387@cs.com>

In article <1992Sep13.185254.27387@cs.com>, larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) says:
>
>In article <50vntag.dx@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:
>>What the hell are you guys talking about?  Rap music isn't music?
>
>Damn right, you don't even have to play an instrument to "make" rap.
>>What is it then?
>Look at the subject line...
>>What do you mean by "music"?
>
>1. It's got guitars.

classical music has no guitars !!!!!

>2. It's rock and roll.

so then all music beside rock and roll is "not music"? interesting....

>3. If women are involved, they're scantily clad and willing.

doesn't this apply to hard rock and heavy metal?

>4. No references to "OE800" or "a 40" or "big butts" in the lyrics.

so only rap with sex or violence is "not music" while all other is?

>5. None of that drum-machine garbage or scratchy records.

so ALL other acts never use drum machines?

>6. No "performers" with names like "Flavor Flavor."

his name is "Flavor FLAV"
apparently you don't know anything about rap. My guess is that you have an
 extremely closed mind, and you're trying to load some bull on the net about
 rap. Either that or you get some pleasure out of starting flame wars.

>>I'm amazed this hasn't been discussed here before.

with attitudes like yours, what's to discuss? maybe you mean DIS-CUSS =
 DIS - what you're trying to do.
 CUSS - what people with half a mind are doing to you.
- peace.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: (C)Rap "music"
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:22:46 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <92258.165516X42529@BARILVM.BITNET> X42529@BARILVM.BITNET (Shlomo) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.185254.27387@cs.com>, larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) says:
|>
|>In article <50vntag.dx@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:
|>>What the hell are you guys talking about?  Rap music isn't music?
|>
|>Damn right, you don't even have to play an instrument to "make" rap.
|>>What is it then?
|>Look at the subject line...
|>>What do you mean by "music"?
|>
|>1. It's got guitars.
|
|classical music has no guitars !!!!!
 
Yes it does.  Have you ever heard of Julian Bream, Albinez, Manual De Falla?

|>2. It's rock and roll.
|
|so then all music beside rock and roll is "not music"? interesting....
 
Yea, that was a pretty lame requirement.  Blues, Jazz, Classical, Country,
Bluegrass, Folk, none of that is music I guess.

|>3. If women are involved, they're scantily clad and willing.
|
What do scantily clad women have to do with music.  Maybe this guy 
would spend less time watching MTV.  I guess music didn't exist before
MTV.
|
|>4. No references to "OE800" or "a 40" or "big butts" in the lyrics.
|
|so only rap with sex or violence is "not music" while all other is?

I recently posted the lyrics to a song which included

"I don't care who I hurt.
 I don't care who I do wrong"

and goes on to tell how you can tell where he's been by the fires he's
started in the neighborhood with his gas bomb.  

Who is this rapper that's advocating such violence?  It's Peter Gabriel
from "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway", recorded in 1974.  
|
|>5. None of that drum-machine garbage or scratchy records.
|
|so ALL other acts never use drum machines?
|
|>6. No "performers" with names like "Flavor Flavor."
|
|his name is "Flavor FLAV"

He said *like* "Flavor Flavor".  The point is that it's a gimmick.  It
seems every rap artist much have a handle.  There are so many non-musical
related aspects to rap music that it detracts from the music that they
are doing.  Wearing clothes backwards? Come on.  Wearing overalls with
the straps hanging out? Why?  Scantially clad women?  O.K., one out of
three isn't bad.
|
|>>I'm amazed this hasn't been discussed here before.
|
|with attitudes like yours, what's to discuss? maybe you mean DIS-CUSS =
| DIS - what you're trying to do.
| CUSS - what people with half a mind are doing to you.

There's another thing,  inventing words like "dis" and then using them
in everyday language.  If rap music was based more on talent and less
on image it would be more legitimate.  Of course, if someone has a closed
mind there's no sense trying to convince them that there is anything 
legitimate about rap music.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: biske@cs.uiuc.edu (Todd Biske)
Subject: A capella arrangements
Followup-To: rec.music.misc 
Organization: Delta Group
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:10:57 GMT

First off: I apologize if this isn't the right group, but it looked like the 
closest thing possible...

I'm in the process of starting a small a capella group with some friends, and
I'm wondering how one goes about purchasing vocal arrangements for songs from
musicals, things done by the Nylons, etc.  Also, if someone knows of a good book
of choral arrangements for Christmas carols, specifically one which contains the
song "A Child is Born,"  I would appreciate knowing what it is... Please send
all responses via email, as this group seems to be mostly rock oriented, so I 
don't feel like cluttering things up (there were enough followups to flames 
already...)  Thanks in advance,
					-Todd

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From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Who is Mariah Carey?
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:50:59 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

Out of curiosity, I borrowed a CD from my local library done by this
artist.  I thin the album is called "Emotions."  I usually don;t get
into this type of music, mainly being into jazz and country.

I'm just curious about who this performer is.  She appears to have great
vocal range and reminds me somewhat of the late Minnie Ripperton.

Please respond via e-mail, as I am not a subscriber to this newsgroup.


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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: SONG ID:Rave/beatles stuff?
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:02:37 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


i heard a song at a rave a couple months ago, that was one of
 those songs you'd hear AT a rave, but had a sample (or someone
 else singing it) from the beatles "here comes the sun",
 using those words...

anyone know what the song is?  - thanks, bob gaj
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Review: "YMO Techno Bible"
Keywords: YMO's Techno Bible
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:16:38 GMT

Gregory Taylor <gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com> writes:

>So what's the catch? Well, it'll run you about a hundred bucks stateside
>for the 5-disc box

>Disc5:Remixes/Rare Stuff/"After Service" outtakes
>Tong Poo/the Orb Remix
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
           {{groan}}

>Note: *None* of these remixes appear on the recent "High Tech/No Crime"
>YMO remix album (alfa ALCA-323)

I don't know much about YMO other than the fact that LFO and WARP hold them in
high regard.  If I was to find enjoyment in the "High Tech/No Crime" LP, would
I generally like the rest of their stuff?  Being an Orb completist, that
single track in the five disc set makes it very tempting to purchase, but if
what they do is Japanese Depeche Mode, I can probably pass.
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From: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu (ken ficara)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Help identify this song!!!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:51:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

"Break My Stride" was, I believe, by a guy named Matthew Wilder.
Organization: Junior, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:36:33 -0400 
From: "Mark R. Sanders" <msa7+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Recent and upcoming... ???

Does anyone know why the recent and upcoming album release post is never
on this board anymore?  Is there another board that it is on now?
                    Any help would be appreciated, 
                            Mark

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From: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Looking for catalog number of Baltimora CD
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:22:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20314
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Ed Computing Network

I need to get the title and catalog number of the Baltimora CD that
contains the song "Tarzan Boy".

I had the info somewhere and it got discarded somehow, so I beg the
forgiveness of both the person(s) who sent it last time, as well as
those who have to read requests like this a lot. :-)

Clint

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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
From: u9264442@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew William Easton)
Subject: Re: UAP #21 - Billy Joel, clarification
Keywords: Usenet Artists Polls
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:18:08 GMT

There are 2 versions of both the album and the song that contains the lyrics 
(There is no song called Cold Spring Harbour, But the lyrics are in Everybody
Loves You Now, which, as you guessed, is on both Cold Spring Harbour and Songs
In The Attic). Just my $0.02.

BTW the Line is 
	"Ah, but you ain't got the time
	to go to Cold Spring Harbour, no more"

The Bearded One..... 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.synth,rec.arts.anime,rec.music.reviews,rec.music.industrial
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Best of all time
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:46:45 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep13.044358.15835@muddcs.claremont.edu> karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>I'm conducting a poll...(I dunno if this is a rehashed subject)
 
Yes, it is. It comes up every year about the second or third week for
September.

>
>big whoopie.
>
That what I feel about the best of all time poll.


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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: INXS New Album
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:03:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <18lul5INNatv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>I heard that a new INXS album was either out already or would soon be out...
>Does anyone have it, is it any good?

I saw it and it is packaged in the "Eco-Pak". There's a sticker on it
telling the buyer not to tear or throw away anything and to read the
instructions inside. The package looks awful.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
From: gregs@zeppelin.sharebase.com (Greg Schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Jeremy (was: Pearl Jam vs. Temple of the Dog)
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:37:17 GMT
Reply-To: gregs@zeppelin.sharebase.com (Greg Schroeder)
Organization: NCR/ShareBase Corporation

>In article <1992Sep10.223057.2273@news.nd.edu>  
>pmadden@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (patrick madden) writes:
> 
> From what you've written it seems like you think Jeremy killed some of his
> classmates.  What I see is that he killed himself and the blood splattered
> on the others.

yes, and the shock on their faces that the kid they always laughed at
and put down finally snapped..  like i said, wow.

i had never thought anything else than suicide.  i think the video
does a very tasteful job of portraying an inherently disturbing topic.
i don't think it is TOO subtle in showing that it is suicide, but it
is not the blatant garbage that modern hollywood seems to think we
need.  eddie's finger gesture and jeremy's raising his hand up right
at the end are about as much as you need to conclude suicide.

when "jeremy spoke in class today" he certainly made a statement.

as for the eddie connection, i think eddie certainly had a disturbed
childhood.  many of their songs deal with this.  but i don't think he
is THAT close to the jeremy character.  i think that the "alive"
character is closer.  maybe it's the first person lines in jeremy
like, "[my jaw] dropped wide open, just like the day i heard..", as if
the incident really happened and he can recall the shock of hearing
that.

i think eddie can relate to jeremy's need to create his own "world" in
which he is king to contrast the fierce reality of his life... 

this is getting to sound like a poetry evaluation class, so i'll stop
soon..  the point of my original post was, i had missed the point
until i saw the video.  i got the "king jeremy" part, how this outcast
kid, both at home and at school, turned inward.  but i did not fill in
the suicide.  then all the other lyrics suddendly fit.  i am always
surprised when a video does anything good for a song.

furthermore, each time i understand a new vedder song, the more i
appreciate it.  pearl jam is indeed an exceptional band.  the musical
core is rock solid, but eddie is the gem.  his emotional delivery to
such sparse yet deep lyrics is virtually unparalled in today's rock.
the are NOT of the same mold that lollapalooza or "seattle rock" would
tend to make you believe they are.  they really stand out.
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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: "Eco-Pak" (was Re: INXS New Album)
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:40:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Sep11.122545.7700@sci.kun.nl>, remcor@sci.kun.nl
(Remco Rutten) writes:
>
>I bought the album yesterday and surprised by the ECO-package. First of all
>I find it also rather cheap-looking. But it is cheaper you know and better for the
>environment.

Wrong on both counts actually:

Environment: The Eco-Pak uses almost as much paper as the longbox AND
  almost as much plastic as the jewel box. That is, it is using more
  resources that a shrinkwrapped jewel box. Also, it is difficult to
  recycle unsold units because paper and plastic are glued together.

Cost: The Eco-Pak's developer, WEA, announced that when the longbox is
  phased out next spring in the United States, WEA will be using mainly
  jewel boxes because the Eco-Pak costs more to manufacture. The latter
  will only be used for special releases.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Animal Logic (Was:Re: Police Reunion)
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:49:24 GMT

Animal Logic sucks. 

Unless you're a Deborah Holland fan. Stewart Copeland does NOTHING.

Do yourself a favor: forget AL. Get a Klark Kent album!!!

Scott

Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: sluka@stoch.fmi.uni-passau.de (Bernd Sluka)
Subject: CHART: Austrian Top 20 Singles
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:57:05 GMT

AUSTRIAN TOP 20 SINGLES - SUNDAY, 23.8.1992


   TW   LW      TITLE                           ARTIST

    1    1      ABBA-esque                      ERASURE
    2    2      Jive Connie                     CONNIE FRANCIS
    3    3      Please don't go                 DOUBLE YOU?
    4    5      It's my life                    DR. ALBAN
    5   --      Who is it                       MICHAEL JACKSON
    6    4      Knockin' on heaven's door       GUNS'N'ROSES
    7    7      Rhythm is a dancer              SNAP
    8    8      Titanic                         FALCO
    9   11      How do you do                   ROXETTE
   10   14      Too funky                       GEORGE MICHAEL
   11   12      Everytime we touch              MAGGIE REILLY
   12    6      Sexy MF                         PRINCE
   13   17      Wie beim erstem Mal             25 JAHRE OE3
   14   23      Flip a coin                     BEAT 4 FEET
   15   18      You bring on the sun            LONDONBEAT
   16   21      The one                         ELTON JOHN
   17   19      Zuckagoschal                    OSTBAHN KURTI & CHEFPARTIE
   18   20      This used to be my playground   MADONNA
   19   10      Midlife crisis                  FAITH NO MORE
   20   --      Just another day                JON SECADA

TW: this week
LW: last week

                The amount of records sold and the amount of tickets sold
                does not tell you whether or not music is good.

                                                          --- Frank Zappa
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University of Passau
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Germany
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll
From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: REQUEST:  Please help name these tunes....
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: two songs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:54:27 GMT

There are two songs that I would like the title and artist for:

1.  Has an early 80s sound and it could be Madness.  Some lyrics go:

	Dad don't know what he's done
	Kids don't know what's wrong with mum


2.  I didn't hear this one myself, but a friend reports that the word
"Dangerous" is used over and over and is probably the title.  It is
definitely NOT the Roxette song.


You email, I'll summarize.

Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: Help identify this song!!!!!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:59:54 GMT

In article <lbc42kINNhmj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, milliken@scofield.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Milliken) writes:
|> 
|> "Nobody's gonna break my stride"
|> 
|> It's "Break My Stride" by Matthew Wilder, I believe.

From his album _I Don't Speak the Language_.

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From: cjg@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Chris George)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Oingo Boingo Dia de los Muertos
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:08:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mr T. Fan Club

I am interested in finding out about the oingo boingo
halloween thing too.

thanks

-cjg
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Edie Brickell
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:11:06 GMT

     Trying to find other Edie Brickell fans out there ? Does anyone
have a discography, or info of recordings other than her first two
albums ?

     Marcus
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.marketplace
From: craigh@cserver.plexus.com (Craig Heilman)
Subject: U2 TICKETS (Madison WI) 4sale!
Summary: U2 TICKETS (Madison WI) 4sale!
Organization: Plexus Corp. -- Neenah Wisconsin
Distribution: wi,mn,mi,milw,chi
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:11:35 GMT

I have two extra tickets to the Sept. 13 U2 concert at Camp Randall
Stadium in Madison WI.  The tickets are in Section 104 (ie. main floor,
front & center) and row 24 (ie. damn fine seats).  Rumor has it that the
warmup bands are "Bad Boys II" (never heard of them) and "Public Enemy"
(interesting combination...).

Make an offer.

Craig

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From: shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Plz help name this song..
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:45:31 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

cvadrslx@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:


>I need help finding the song with the chorus that goes something like:

>"You spin me round round baby, round round.. like a record baby, round round"

>Thanx in advance..

that's "You Spin Me Round" by Dead or Alive on their album Youthquake.
-r.



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Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: JULEE CRUISE solo project
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 23:48:41 GMT
Organization: WeasElectro Productions: Television/Movies/Comics

buckmr@RPI.EDU (Ron Buckmire) writes:

> What's it like? Are the vocals and music similar to the stuff she did
> for the TWIN PEAKS and TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME soundtracks? 

Yes, in fact all the vocal tracks she did on the _Twin Peaks_ (TV)
soundtrack album are culled from her earlier solo album.  If you liked her
songs in the TV show and movie, her other material won't disappoint you. 
(You ought to check out the _Wild At Heart_ soundtrack too, if you like
Angelo Badalamenti.) 

Two related questions: are there any other albums with music by
Badalamenti (like maybe a _Blue Velvet_ soundtrack album_), and has there
been any substantiation of the rumors that Cruise is now a permanent
member of the B-52's?  

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