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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:55:42 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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 (pete@vscn18.nohost.nodomain) wrote:
>
>To: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
>
>  I agree Barnes is alot better than the Andrew. 
>
> By the way Barnes is not a good looking West country boy, he is in fact
>a good looking Welsh boy. He has played over a dozen games for Wales at 
>scoolboy level, most of them being as captain and briefly replaced JPR in the 
> Welsh squad before being inticed to England. A shame for Wales and for Barnes.
>

I have just read in today's paper that he ws born in Essex and moved to Wales
at the age of eleven.  It is very difficult to know where most of them 
come from!  Incidentally, this was just for the record, I never thought
that Barnes was an Essex man - like Copsey.

Cheers,
Graham
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: Simon.J.Davies@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Brittish Lions
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:48:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK

In article <1992Dec11.133925.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
|> In article <Bz1p7s.Mu2@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com>, grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:
|> > I for one (and one only) would not pick Gibbs.  He seems to get a lot of
|> > support though, even outside Wales ;-), but I am not sure why!   He seemed
|> > short on ideas and stature against the Aussies.
|> 
|> No - you're not alone, but you are the first person from the British Isles I
|> have seen express this opinion. I agree with you entirely. I thought he
|> struggled to look ordinary.
|> 
|> Alan



	I agree with you when you look at the games against Australia and
	the Baa Baas. Saying that though, he does look a great prospect
	and I think that all he needs is a few games with a more experienced
	international type side to really show the form that he has been
	consistantly producing for Swansea at club level. (Maybe I'm a bit
	biased due to the fact that I've played against him at youth level
	and caught him with a tackle from behind. We still lost though.)

		Hwyl Fawr, Simon.
From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Brittish Lions
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:43:12 GMT

Simon.J.Davies@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon Davies) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.133925.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>|> In article <Bz1p7s.Mu2@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com>, grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:
>|> > I for one (and one only) would not pick Gibbs.  He seems to get a lot of
>|> > support though, even outside Wales ;-), but I am not sure why!   He seemed
>|> > short on ideas and stature against the Aussies.
>|> 
>|> No - you're not alone, but you are the first person from the British Isles I
>|> have seen express this opinion. I agree with you entirely. I thought he
>|> struggled to look ordinary.
>|> 
>|> Alan



>	I agree with you when you look at the games against Australia and
>	the Baa Baas. Saying that though, he does look a great prospect
>	and I think that all he needs is a few games with a more experienced
>	international type side to really show the form that he has been
>	consistantly producing for Swansea at club level. (Maybe I'm a bit
>	biased due to the fact that I've played against him at youth level
>	and caught him with a tackle from behind. We still lost though.)

>		Hwyl Fawr, Simon.

I shouldn't be a Gibbs fan, as a Bath supporter living in Scotland, but
the really impressive thing about Gibbs is the way he can look OK when
all around him look awful.  This has occurred several times, I seem to
remember, though don't ask me for chapter and verse.  He has much more
imagination than W. Carling (ie can do more than smash through the line
or chip over it), but not as much as Gregor Townsend.  I would be
tempted to take him on the tour if only for the experience. 
Incidentally, is it too contraversial to advocate taking a few
developing players on tour from the (currently) less successful sides
such as Wales and Ireland simply to prevent the idea that they are
permanently to prop up the 5 nations table?  I think the good thing
about the championship is that it isn't always dominated by the more
advantaged nations, such as England, and to continue this in the face
of the current strong England side means that as amny as possible of the
players from the other nations must be exposed to highest quality rugby
as often as possible.

Hence I would advance the selection of Gibbs, Townsend, Nicol,
Geogahan(?), Webster et al simply to encourage competition within
Britain to the benefit of all.  Anyone agree?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: paul@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantua)
Subject: Re: Richard Loe
Reply-To: paul@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:11:56 GMT

From article <1992Dec20.223203.7921@cs.su.oz.au>, by allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer):
> I heard that he got 6months,can he still make some $$ in France or is that
> French Ban now non enforceable.?

The French ban was their own initiative (after the NZRFU decision) and
there seems no chance of Loe going to France this (Southern hemisphere)
summer.  The appeal decided that the ban would run from April to September
1993, whereas before it was from April to December.

Loe's lawyer has said that they are unhappy with the appeal outcome and
that they will seek a High Court review of the appeal _process_
(but not the decision itself as apparently that cannot be subject to a
judicial review).

Loe's lawyers have argued that his penalty has been much more severe
than previous penalties of a few weeks in recent years - 6 (?) weeks
for Alan Whetton's stomp on Stephen Bachop (Auckland Vs Western Samoa),
2 (?) weeks for Andy Earl's punch in a ruck that broke an Irish
player's jaw (Canterbury Vs Ireland) and 4 (?) weeks for Jamie Josephs
after another stomping incident.  I agree that Loe's sentence is harsh
compared to these, but I guess that this is the start of a much tougher
approach from the NZRFU.  I won't be disappointed if this is the end of
Loe's All Black career - he's been involved in incidents of thuggery
for as long as I can remember.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Subject: Re: ANZAC Match
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:22:30 GMT

>Can anyone in NZ tell me if Walter Little has played at fly-half?

Yes, in the world cup 3rd place match against Scotland, where he was a
marvellous breath of fresh air, had the Scots going all ways like headless
chooks. He played again at least once, I think, in the AB vs world centenary
test series; but his tactical kicking let him down, so hasn't been put there
since, (especially since the threat of dropping gingered up Fox quite 
amazingly !)  

Little has a big punt, though, and with a bit more experience he could be a
devastating fly-half.  But, as I said earlier, the Little-Bunce combo is just
too well-oiled to split up.

Bill Taylor.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: ANZAC Match
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:30:52 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <BzD6GA.L5x@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com>, grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:
> 
> What has happened to Graeme Bachop?  The last time I remember him playing
> for NZ was against England in the WC opener.  What did he do wrong?  I 
> thought that he played a really good game, kicks well and runs well.  Against
> England he controlled the 2nd half (with the help of the pack).

Laurie Mains doesn't like him. Jon Preston has had to move to Wellington to try
and make it into a provincial side as Bach has the Canterbury job sewn up. Bach
was called over to Aus to cover injuries, played one game, won man of the match
and according to the rumour mill Laurie didn't as much as speak to him in the
two weeks he was there.

An interesting aside, the Canterbury union is asking questions about the job
offered to Preston in Wellington. He is going to work for the NZRFU in some
sort of coaching co-ordinator role. The Canterbury union is concerned that the
job was never actually advertised and is asking questions as to whether it is a
bona fide position or if it is simply a means of getting Preston to Wellington.
Looks like Uncle Laurie has had his say here too.

We are now in the position where both All Black halfbacks from 1992 have had to
move provinces in an effort to get regular first class rugby.

Alan
From: naicg@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: RFL review and fixtures, division two
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:37:25 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

No Regal Trophy games left for this division, so the fixtures should all 
be played:

Bramley (Currently 6th, 9 points from 12 games)
Last season's third division runners-up were expected to struggle badly. 
Three wins in their first five games gave them a good start, but they have 
only won once since then. 
Fixtures: 20/12 Oldham(A),27/12 Swinton(H),3/1 Carlisle(H),10/1 Oldham(A)

Carlisle (Currently 7th, 8 points from 11 games)
Cameron Bell has done a fine job to keep Carlisle in this sort of position 
with very little finance. The loss of Clayton Friend to Whitehaven has made 
things even harder.
Fixtures: 20/12 Huddersfield(H),3/1 Bramley(A),10/1 Rochdale(H)

Featherstone R. (Currently 1st, 20 points from 12 games)
Should never have been relegated last season, and look certain to return 
to the first division, probably as champions. 
Fixtures: 20/12 London(A),27/12 Huddersfield(H),3/1 Huddersfield(A)

Huddersfield (Currently 4th, 12 points from 12 games)
The transfer of six of last season's third division championship winning side 
caused a poor start, with one win from the first seven games. Five successive 
wins, including Featherstone and Oldham away, gives them an outside chance 
of promotion should three teams go up.
Fixtures: 20/12 Carlisle(A),27/12 Featherstone(A),3/1 Featherstone(H)

London C. (Currently 5th, 9 points from 13 games)
Three wins by big margins in their first four games showed a lot of promise. 
One win from the last nine games has left them close to a relegation spot. 
They have beaten Wakefield 30-0 in that time, however.
Fixtures: 20/12 Featherstone(H),3/1 Rochdale(A),10/1 Swinton(H)

Oldham (Currently 2nd, 18 points from 12 games)
Peter Tunks has built a good side at Oldham, who have beaten Warrington and 
Leigh in the Lancashire Cup. They should get promotion, particularly if 
three teams go up.
Fixtures: 20/12 Bramley(H),26/12 Rochdale(H),1/1 Swinton(A),10/1 Bramley(H)   

Rochdale H. (Currently 3rd, 18 points from 13 games)
Made a slightly disappointing start, but are now well in the hunt for 
promotion. As good a team as any in the division on their day.
Fixtures: 20/12 Swinton(A),26/12 Oldham(A),3/1 London(H),10/1 Carlisle(A)

Swinton (Currently 8th, 2 points from 11 games)
A return to two divisions would save them from a second successive relegation.
Sold their ground over the summer, and have moved in with Bury FC.
Fixtures: 20/12 Rochdale(H),27/12 Bramley(A),1/1 Oldham(H),10/1 London(A)

Ian
From: naicg@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: RFL results,cup draw,news - 16th Dec
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:45:07 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

A couple of results from last night:
Regal Trophy, 2nd Round Replay
Bradford N. 9 (Try: K.Fairbank; Goals: T.Marchant(2); DropGoal: D.Hobbs)
Warrington 6 (Try: N.Kenyon; Goal: T.Thorniley)

After appearing to be out of the competition ten minutes from the end of 
the first game, Bradford reached the last eight with a hard fought win. 
They built up a 9-2 lead before Neil Kenyon scored a late try.
Bradford are at home to Widnes in Sunday's quarter-final. 
Warrington will be away at Hull KR in the championship.

Championship, division three
Blackpool G. 8 Chorley B. 13
No change to the placings of either side.

On Tuesday the draw was made for the Preliminary and First Rounds of the 
Challenge Cup:

Preliminary Round (17th January)
Wigan v Hull
Batley v Blackpool G.
Widnes v Swinton

First Round (30th/31st January)
Dewsbury v Wigan/Hull
Warrington v Castleford
Leeds v Barrow 
Huddersfield v Nottingham C.
Featherstone R. v St.Helens
Chorley B. v Batley/Blackpool G.
Hunslet v Ryedale-York
Salford v Wakefield T.
Halifax v Carlisle
Rochdale H. v Doncaster
Bradford N. v Workington T.
Hull KR v Bramley
Whitehaven v Widnes/Swinton
Oldham v London C.
Keighley C. v Highfield
Sheffield E. v Leigh

Other news:
John Monie will leave Wigan at the end of this season. He will coach 
Auckland Warriors when they enter the Winfield Cup in 1995. The top two 
coaching positions will be up for grabs as Mike McClennan will also leave 
St.Helens in May.

The players at Hull KR have settled their dispute, so they will have a full 
squad for Sunday's league match with Warrington.

The GB coaching position may also become vacant. Malcolm Reilly has already 
expressed his opposition to the number of games the top players are playing 
now. The answer? Increase the number of games even further.

The Wigan chairman has indicated that they may have to reconsider going 
to Sydney for the World Sevens. This is because of a number of games that 
may be cancelled due to cup ties: Hull(A)-Lancs Cup final; Warrington(H),
Bradford(H),Bradford(A)-Regal Trophy Semis; Wakefield(H)-Challenge Cup prelim; 
Leeds(A)-Regal Trophy final. See previous item!

I guess that's just about it for 1992.
Happy Christmas and New Year

Ian
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Richard Loe
From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:51:32 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

 Richard Loe

Well the New Zealand Rugby Football Union disciplinary appeal committee (with a
combined age of 232 yrs!!) have released their decision concerning the appeal
by counsel for Richard Loe of the original punishment of 9 months suspension
for the Greg Cooper eye-gouging incident beginning April 1 1993.
  The committee have decided that the incident was deliberate but that the
suspension should be reduced from 9 months to 6 months.
  Counsel for Loe have announced that they will ask for a High Court review of
the procedure and have said that they are unhappy with the entire disciplinary
and appeals procedure. 
  Looks like this incident is not going to go away for some time yet.

Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 10:04:24 CST
From: <U58476@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Players' Education (Was: ESPN tennis)
 <1992Dec15.163205.28927@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
 <1992Dec16.110449.8401@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> <1992Dec16.163210.2714@netcom.com>

netget
In article <1992Dec16.163210.2714@netcom.com>, byron@netapp.com (Byron Rakitzis)
says:

>Of course! But tennis players retire ~30 yrs old. What do you do after
>that?

Go back to school. :-)  Seriously though, some pros have gone to (or back to)
college after they retired. (eg Barbara Potter...not exactly a household
name, I know. :-))  Steffi Graf, having turned pro at 13, didn't even start
the equivalent of high school but travelled with a tutor until 18 or so &
continued to study textbooks (physics even!) on her own even to this day.  She
has expressed her desire often to go the way of academia when she calls it
quits.

As far as other players: Sabatini, Huber, & Sampras (Borg too) dropped out of
school as well; Seles & Fernandez were straight A students; Capriati was a
straight A until this past year when she slipped a bit; & Chang was an honor
student.  I don't know about Sanchez-Vicario, but I know that she speaks 5
languages (geez, I wish!).  Anybody know about Courier & Edberg?
Natasha
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: wendyg@skeptic.demon.co.uk ("Wendy M. Grossman")
ReplyTo: wendyg@skeptic.demon.co.uk
Subject: McEnroe/Tatum O'Neal
Distribution: world
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Organization: Lincoln House Productions
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:53:40 +0000

The London Evening Standard today reported that they are splitting up.

  Wendy M. Grossman                 phone:  +44 (81) 948 3784
  9A North Avenue, Kew              email:  70007.5537@compuserve.com
  Richmond, Surrey TW9 3LZ UK       wendyg@skeptic.demon.co.uk
From: vlad@inavia.msk.su (Vladimir D. Korovkin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Wanted: fax/phone numbers of sport oriented PROMOTION OFFICES 
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 92 13:10:31 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: International Aviation Industry Exchange
Reply-To: vlad@inavia.msk.su

We badly need in relations with any of sport oriented PROMOTION OFFICES
that could find out investors and provide participation of Russian Women's
PRO TEAM in US PRO SKI TOUR. Would you please be kind enough to send us
fax/telephone numbers and addresses of known sport oriented promotion
companies?

Thanks in advance,

Vladimir Korovkin

Deputy Director General
International Aviation Industry Exchange

2, Aviamotornaya st.,
Moscow,111250, Russia

Phone/Fax: +7-(095)-361-6473
email: vlad@inavia.msk.su
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: More doubles tips
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:29:39 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
Distribution: world
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In article <1gkb7jINNjg8@iraul1.ira.uka.de>, voss@i40s16.ira.uka.de (Stefan Voss) writes:
|> In article <78342@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt4855a@prism.gatech.EDU (David Zobel) writes:
|> |> Hey tennis lovers, I need some advice.  I've been playing tennis for a few 
|> |> years recreationally and have just this year joined an ALTA team.  The team
|> |> is level C4.  Anyway, I've mainly played singles all this time, and have
|> |> VERY limited doubles experience.  I would GREATLY appreciate any doubles advice,

*** Stuff deleted ***

|> O.K., here are some tips (feel free to add some):
|> 1. Move to the net as soon as possible. If your partner is serving and is going
|>    to move to the net after the serve, your position should already be at the net.
|> 2. Always be on the same position as your partner. Try to avoid a situation 
|>    where one player is at the net and the partner is at the base line.
|> 3. If you are not sure where to play the ball (cross, middle or long line), go
|>    for the middle. The area between two doubles player is the weakest point.
|> 4. Try to have your *first* serve in the field as often as you can. A consistent
|>    serve with some spin and a quick move to the net is going to give more
|>    advantage than a "cannonball" serve.   
|> 

5. Try to find a good doubles partner, preferably one with much experience.
   I think that's the best way to improve your doubles skill, and the
   fastest one. (Hint: Mr. Stefan Voss is my doubles partner!)

|> |> -- 
|> |> Name           : David "Z-Man" Zobel   Call-Sign: gt4855a@prism.gatech.edu
|> |> Pre-occupation : Computer Science student at Georgia Tech
|> |> Trite Saying   : "The Vogon ships hung in the air in the same
|> |>                   way that bricks don't" -D. Adams
|> 
|> Stefan Voss
|> (voss@ira.uka.de)

-- 


Stefan Muench, Karlsruhe, Germany
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 09:56:31 EST
From: <KLIN@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: grunting rule
 <BzB4AI.9Gt@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <BzBu9v.CCq@austin.ibm.com>

frank@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) wrote
>>Judging from my own reaction, it's not just a distraction when hitting
>>the ball.  It's the pent up aggravation and anger that is building up
>>over time.  That is the real factor.  If you can ignore obnoxious
>>behavior, noises, etc., well good for you.  Some of us are perhaps more

I believe a player can take all the advantages WITHIN the rules.
Other players can complain that they are annoyed by certain behavior.
But the empire has to rule based on the rules.  When a player is beaten
badly, it is easier for him/her to be aggravated by ANY kind of behavior.

Kurt Lin
From: probal@brushfire.rutgers.edu (Probal Kumar Bhattacharjya)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: grunting rule
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:18:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

During US Open this year, I remember Carrie Cunningham (US) making grunting
noise before almost every shot. But I think that doesn't matter ... since
she is not winning big tournaments ... :-)
	--P.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: d-lin@nwu.edu (David Lin)
Subject: Wimbledon tickets
Followup-To: rec.sport.tennis
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:17:10 GMT

Does anyone know how to obtain Wimbledon tickets in advance from the US?

Thanks.

David Lin
d-lin@nwu.edu
From: tak0430@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: What about Agassi??
Reply-To: tak0430@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:21:43 GMT

Hey...I wanna hear something about Andre Agassi!!!  
He's my idol!!  I know he's going up and down.... but that's life!!

Indy Jones
TAK0430@ritvax
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: donna@attic.bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Re: Mary Pierce
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:43:07 GMT

In article <78289@hydra.gatech.EDU>, cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (SMITH,CHRISTOPHER G) writes:
|> 
|> >>> + Candidates for top 10 entry this year: McNeil (for the 2nd time),
|> >>>   Coetzer, Magdalena Maleeva.
|> >>
|> >>I think Pierce will make it at some point, too.  Your three have very good
|> >>chances, too.
|> 
|> What are people's impressions of Mary Pierce's game and how quickly she will
|> advance?  Obviously she's one of the hardest hitters in the women's game
|> which is to her advantage.  But my impression is that she needs to greatly
|> improve her accuracy, consistency, and court sense, and she will rise just
|> a few more spots in the rankings in the meantime.
|> 
|> However, I have not seen her play that often.  I did see her play Mary Joe
|> Fernandez in the U.S. Open this year... that was not a pretty sight.

I agree about Mary Pierce.  She is a really strong player.  I think she
needs to work on her serve (toss is really high and she has kind of an
awkward motion - she bends her knees a lot and seems to hit the ball
at its worst spot)and, the big thing: she needs concentration and confidence.  
I think all of the stuff with her father has created a mental monster.  If
she had the 3/4 of the mental strength of Seles, say, she would be 
top 5 material SOON.

|> 
|> ..Chris
|> 
|> -- 
|> Christopher Smith, Georgia Tech (Atlanta)          csmith@cc.gatech.edu

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