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From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: MEQ #11: Curzon on Palestine, 1918.
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:29:53 GMT


      MEQ #11.  Between Balfour Declaration and Palestine Mandate.

   The Palestine position is this.  If we deal with our commitments, there
   is first the general pledge to Hussein in October 1915, under which
   Palestine was included in the areas as to which Great Britain pledged
   itself that they should be Arab and independent in the future ...
   A new feature was brought into the case in November 1917, when Mr
   Balfour, with the authority of the War Cabinet, issued his famous
   declaration to the Zionists that Palestine should be the national
   home of the Jewish people, but that nothing should be done ... to
   prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish
   communities in Palestine. ...

   Now, regards the facts, they are these.  First, Palestine has been
   conquered by the British, ... and it is now being administered by
   the British.  The Zionist declaration ... has been followed by a
   very considerable immigration of Jews.  One of the difficulties
   of the situation arises from the fact that the Zionists have taken
   full advantage---and are disposed to take even fuller advantage---
   of the opportunity which was then offered to them.  You only have
   to read, as probably most of us do, their periodical 'Palestine',
   and, indeed, their pronouncements in the papers, to see that their
   programme is expanding from day to day.  They now talk about a Jewish
   State.  The Arab portion of the population is well-nigh forgotten
   and is to be ignored.  They not only claim the boundaries of the
   old Palestine, but they claim to spread across the Jordan into the
   rich countries lying to the east, and, indeed, there seems to be
   very small limit to the aspirations which they now form.  The
   Zionist programme, and the energy with which it is being carried
   out, have not unnaturally had the consequence of arousing the keen
   suspicions of the Arabs.

   [Lord George Curzon, Chairman of the Eastern Committee (a committee
   set up by the British War Cabinet) addressing the committee on
   Dec 5, 1918.]

   Source: Doreen Ingrams, Palestine Papers 1917-1922 (Murray, 1972),
   page 48-49, quoting Foreign Office official archives.

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From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Keywords: Hisham Sharabi
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:40:52 PDT
Distribution: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Moon Macrosystems

Anisa, my quote of Georgetown prof. Hisham Sharabi comes from p. 148
of Near East Report, Vol. 35, No. 34, dated 8/26/91.  The author of
the article is Michael Lewis, AIPAC's Deputy Director of Research
and Information.

As an aside, this is another case in point where at least the pro-Israel
camp gives ACTUAL QUOTES.  The anti-Israel camp, on the other hand, can
usually only dig up dirt by quoting some despicable self-hating Jew, a la
Goldfield or Anthony Lewis, and cite him as a "typical" Jew.  Fact is,
most Jews support Israel and her right to exist.  A few screwballs like
Lewis and Goldfield hardly represent the Jewish majority.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Answer to nabeel
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:42:25 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

The thread continues!

In article <1780@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi) writes:

>   Now I know how civilised you are nabeel?!!!!.

Trying to, yet again, pass judgement on another person who did not
support Kuwaiti injustices?

>   Because no descent human being will write such rubbish,or such a racist
>   letter that is full of crap (as you are).

Further insults instead of countering the argument with any wit,
intelligence, or logic.

>   My only explaination is that either you are not an Arab as you claim
>   to be ,because I know alot of Jordainians who are very good and honourable
>   people(and it is definitely not you), and you are trying to intimidate us       and creat a problem between the arabs on the net, Or you are one of those  
>   arabs who are a shame on the Arab nation and I do not feel proud on having 
>   you between us (because they are the reason for our position now).

Yes, didn't you tell Anwar the same thing?  That there are good Palestinians
unlike myself?  Good old guilt trip.  No one can intimidate the influential
Kuwaitis - they have too much money to buy off the opinions and support of
their crooked government.

You seem to be "one of those arabs who are a shame on the" Kuwaiti nation
because of your lack of sensitivity and justification of the same crimes
that your government accused Israel of to innocent people who had nothing
to do with creating the Gulf War.  As I said before, with the lack of
*real* democracy and equality in Kuwait, what Kuwaiti cares for the welfare
of Palestinians - those of the "Arab nation".

>   I do not think that any descent Arab and human being will respect your
>   racist crap that you produced.You can call any arab leader what ever you 

Ah - drag in the other Arab people as a means of gaining further support
for *your* cause.  Don't you have even a bit of a brain to counter anything
that Nabeel said without slander and insults?  It isn't that I support
everything that Nabeel said - it is just that you used the same small-minded
and petty tactics with me while failing to address my concerns and well-
thought out posts.

Surely you said:

>	[...]  but to call a group of people with
>   all these bad things and to generalise that is the ultimate bull that one 
>   can produce.(but then knowing you and your previous letters I can expect
>   any thing from someone like you)

And save your 'salams'.  They are meaningless coming from non-Islamists
like yourself.

Anisa
From: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: EGYPT: LET MY PEOPLE DIE - we hate Jews !
Date: 15 Oct 1992 13:38:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) says:

It's amazing, isn't it.  Egypt signs a peace treaty with Israel, in which
Egypt gets every centimeter of the Sinai back in return for the promise to
be a peaceful neighbor, and the Egyptian government still hates Israel so
much that it would rather see its own people die than accept life-saving
assistance from Israel.
-- 
bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: WITHER SCHMIDLING...
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:03:59 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1apm6cINN96n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
>   I am not much of an expert in abnormal psychology, so any sort
>of theory I may concoct to explain Jack Schmidling would probably
>be lame.  There are so many traits about him that I cannot get to
>mesh with each other.  If any of you have some pet theory dealing
>with the Jew hater in modern society, please E-mail me your ideas
>about this, unless, of course, you feel that posting them here is
>likely to be more useful.  Schmidling is a Holocaust revisionist,
>which, in my eyes, makes him a contradiction.  It is this special
>group of Jew hater, the revisionist, that puzzles me.  If any out
>there have any thoughts on this, please send them.  I find this a
>fascinating subject.  Thanks.
This reminds me of too many PHD theses.  Unfortunately, too many are
awarded on such flimsy grounds.  Just pray tell, where do you get off
lumping me with "Holocaust revisionsist"?  Are you bored or something?

All I have ever claimed about the holocaust is that in spite of all its
horrors, it is being used as a fund raising gimmick by the promoters
of aid to Israel in a way that is no less vile than the event itself.

js
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:56:40 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1b785eINN7j1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>
>I don't know the numbers, but it's getting up close to a thousand Arabs
>killed in clashes with Israeli soldiers, and nearly that many murdered by
>their fellow Arabs.  Over the last couple of years, far more Arabs have
>been murdered by other Arabs than have died in clashes with Israelis.
 
I guess Mr. Stein wouldn't say how many Palestinians have been murdered
by his fellow Israelis either through Undercover Squads or through the
typical terrorist measures used by the Occupational Forces to squash
the intefadeh.
 
It wouldn't be to his advantage to uncover these figures.  It's always
better to blame fellow Arabs and to suggest that their deaths were
caused by rock-throwing children and teenagers, in their resistance to
the Occupation of their homes.

Anisa

Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:20882 soc.culture.arabic:4157
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Elections in Kuwait
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:36:59 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

October 6, 1992

		"Opposition shows gains in Kuwait vote"

"Early returns show push for democracy while women protest
exclusion from polls"

Associated Press

Kuwait -  In the first parliamentary elections in seven years, Kuwait's
male elite backed opposition candidates Tuesday who promised to use the
gulf war experience to push democracy, early returns indicated.

But many women are especially frustrated their resistance work against
the Iraqi occupation did not earn them the right to vote.  About 50
modern-day suffragettes scuffled with police when they tried to enter
polling stations.

Government critics took the first eight seats tallied and were leading in
a number of others, giving them what looked to be a significant bloc in
the 50-seat Parliament, according to returns reported by Kuwait Radio.

The 1991 gulf war did not change the strict voting rules in the oil-rich
emirate.  Only males over 21 who can trace their ancestry back 72 years
are allowed to vote, limiting the voting pool to about 81,500 men from
a population of 650,000 Kuwaitis.

Voters interviewed said they leaned toward candidates who would make the
Parliament a watchdog over government.

Issues also include rebuilding Kuwait's $80 billion nest egg, which shrank
by half during the war; ending the classification of citizens into
different categories; and helping the private sector.

Longtime government critics like Ahmed Al-Kateeb and Abdullah Nibari, who
many thought would be defeated because they made their reputations
defending pan-Arab causes, won.

One of the first victors was Hamad Al-Jouan, a lawyer campaigning from a
wheelchair after he was shot and paralyzed below the waist the day after
Kuwait was liberated.  Jouan said the first test of relations between the
ruling Al-Sabah family and the Parliament will be whether the family
continues to ignore the Parliament in choosing the cabinet.

End of Article


Thank God the United States supported a war to assist a
country where equal rights and democracy would be established,
and where freedom and justice for all would be served.

Ameen.

Anisa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 10:44:46 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Jack S Defends MLKing Slur (Was: ARF DEFENDS HIS HONOR)

In article <1992Oct6.193211.13781@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
says:

>Note how ARF (Jack Schmidling) refuses to answer the questions
>posed to him a dozen of times:

(#1 and #3 deleted for sake of brevity)

>2) Why did he resort to describe MLK as a "dirty old man"? Even
>   if the allegations he made against MLK are true, aren't the
>   contributions MLK made infinitely more important?

Furthermore,how did the word "bigot" (or as Jack spells it,"biggot") become
associated with "adultery" as opposed to "bias" or "prejudice"? Jack hasn't
quite explained that one,either.....

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
From: michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger)
Subject: Re: EGYPT: LET MY PEOPLE DIE - we hate Jews !
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:42:23 GMT
Originator: michaelp@vidur.ifi.uio.no


In article <1992Oct16.142358.13794@ifi.uio.no>, michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct16.131015.22483@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:
> > In article <1992Oct15.220327.21164@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
> > >      I'm sick and tired of jumping into conclusions based on mere ASSUMPTIONS 
> > > (which were first introduced by Gideon Ehrlich in article 52537 in which he 
> > > assumes that Egyptians would rather die than have Jews rescue them.)
> > >      If one wants to go ahead and assume, he could come up with very 
> > > interesting stories (may be called MYTHS).
> > >      Any way, the point is YOU do not know why Egypt have refused Israel's
> > > assistance (if that is the case).  But one reason would come to mind is that,
> > > from the second day of the quake, it was too late to find any persons alive
> > > (after they had rescued that lucky lady).  So why should they require the
> > > assistance of teams that would have nothing to do but stand by and be a
> > > hurddle. What was left to do was simply clean the rubble and bury the
> > > dead; and Egypt would be able to do that.
> > > 
> > 
> > Just to re-introduce a reality check.  This mornings news had
> > reports of pulling a man out of the rubble just this morning,
> > 82 hours under the collapsed building.
> > 
> > Any other reasons you care to propose?  Do you really not
> > want to do all possible to save the poor people buried
> > there?  Every day that passes, more people buried under
> > the rubble die.
> > 
> > Recall, that after the Iran earthquake two years ago, the
> > Israelis also offered aid (I think medical assistance)
> > and were refused.
> > 
> > 		Seth Rosenthal
> > 
> > Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'.
> 
> I am declined to assume that refusing israeli help is a cynical political desicion
> taken by the authorities, where the reason may be prestiege, or some other 
> political achievement. Unfortunately governments have done so throughout history.
> 
> I would not go that far to conclude that hate towards jews is a reason for that.
> 
> We have enough misery in the world. Why produce emotions out of this?
                                                                  ^^^^^^
> 
> 
> Michael
Just a little necessary clarification:

The word "this" refers not to the tragedy of the earthquake. This is bound to
wake many emotions.

I refer to the urge some people have of finding hate towards jews behind any
corner. Sorry if somebody feels hurt!!

Michael
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Oink, Oink
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:00:23 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <BvrKx0.505.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>It's been a few weeks since this thread started.  I can't believe
>it is continuing.  I also can't believe how hard you are trying to
>drag me into this garbage.  Don't you people have anything better to
>do?  

But Anwar, you haven't yet seen how far threads in t.p.m. can go?
I think it is mainly because you have failed to address the many
previous concerns.  Instead you give us excuses ('my baba has more
important things to do', 'John Elghani is in my kill file', etc.)

You seem to *want* to participate in these discussions - it doesn't
take very much effort on anyone's part - and it seems that you are
more interested in your pride than anything else.  Yes, when it
comes to principals, clarifications on positions, and demanding the
truth and reality of the situation, you can better believe that it
is extremely important.  And I will spend as much time as necessary
to get to the heart of the matter.

>Take a lesson from Kuwaitis in your recent posting, who are 
>discussing substantive matters around this election time regarding
>the future of their country, voting rights, and the powers of 
>the various branches of government, rather than counting Yasser
>Arafat's nose hairs or whatever irrelevant crap.

Substantial matters.  Like what?  Re-electing "branches of government"
that further support the inequalities and injustices of the Al-Sabah
kingdom?  That do not even address the "voting rights" of women and
males from elite status?  The future of your country?  It seems that
when the government of Kuwait excludes several hundred thousand of its
citizens from a fair democratic system, how can your country ever
progress in the eyes of the Middle East or, as you would prefer, the
industrialized nations?

Maybe counting nose hairs is what the majority in your country are reduced
to.  Remember, ignorance is bliss, Anwar. 

Anisa

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout)
Subject: Re: DEMANDS PALESTINIAN HUNGER STRIKERS IN ISRAELI PRISONS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:06:29 GMT

In article: 52388 of talk.politics.mideast, (David Makowsky) writes:

## Forwarded from another list:
## From: Gert van Velzen <gertv@ooc.uva.nl>
## DEMANDS PALESTINIAN HUNGER STRIKERS IN ISRAELI PRISONS AND
## DETENTION CENTRES
## GENERAL DEMANDS

#      [ list of demands deleted - dlm ]

#     It is obscene that terrorists should make demands.  However, a
#lot of the blame probably goes to the weak and whimpy way Israel
#treats these "palestinian?" terrorists.  It is what gives them the
#CHutzpa to even think about making these demands, let alone actually
#present them.  What is even more obscene is that anyone else would
#take them seriously and present them (take the hint Yigal).
#
     You and your friends always talk about how justice in the Arab countries
does not come close to Western standards.  One thing comes to mind here.  Is
not there something in the Western standards that says:"INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN
QUILTY"?  And yet, you automatically label these Palestinian political
prisoners as TERRORISTS.  Well, have YOU studied their cases and figured out
that they ARE really terrorists?  Of course not.
     These prisoners are living in misery, hunger,and  under torture (both
physical and mental).  However, let us assume that they were "terrorists" (and
they are not),do not they deserve at least to be treated like human beings?

#     However, these demands would be unnecessary, and the lives of all
#"palestinians?" would be much better if they would just adhere to one
#simple demand.  Stop the war against the Jews.
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Here we go again with the Zionist propaganda.  This conflict is NOT
between Jews and Arabs (and I hope you know why).

#--
#
# David Makowsky

P.S.  Please do us a favor and capitalize Palestinians just for the sake of
good English writing (because if you think that you are putting down the
Palestinians by not capitalizing their noun, then you are really NAIVE)

Wa Salam
-----------------
Khaled J Shammout
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: MEQ #7: Israel and the Sinai, 1953
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:29:47 GMT

For fairness sake, it should be mentioned that in those days there
were many intrusions into Israel by Fadayun members, who inflicted
quite a few civilian deaths. Notably the attack on the bus in
"scorpion climb" as well as other incidents.

-Danny Keren.
From: karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Answer To Anisa
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:32:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Anisa wrote:-

>Which begs the question: do you therefore respect the Israelis and condemn  
>the actions of the Arab leaders like Hussein and the Emir?

<<That isn't the point at all.  Khaled is just making a statement based
<<,on reactions from these two posters.

<<And whenever we criticize "the Arab leaders like Hussein and the Emir",
<<people like Anwar and Razooqi jump in to defend their leader's actions
<<and other posters tell us to just keep our mouths shut just to avoid
<<further division between us.

<<So what would you suggest?  Fight a one-sided battle or two-sided one?
  
  Anisa ,Anisa,Anisa you are doing it again and labelling me as a supporter
  to leaders actions ,and I said it so many times before that I never supported
   leaders I only support my people if you attack them unfairlly.
  I said before I never support injustice done on anybody and I will never do
  so why do not you drop that sort of argument because it is getting boring
  and I am sick of having to repeat showing my position many many times. 

<<Anisa

	"We don't live in Israel.  Not at all.  We live in
	Palestinian territory.  It's Israeli occupied."
					Hanan Ashrawi

Salam


Kutaiba
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:10:38 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1b785eINN7j1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>
>I don't know the numbers, but it's getting up close to a thousand Arabs
>killed in clashes with Israeli soldiers, and nearly that many murdered by
>their fellow Arabs.  Over the last couple of years, far more Arabs have
>been murdered by other Arabs than have died in clashes with Israelis.
 
I believe Sandra Rayes posted these figures not too long ago.  It was
from the Washington Report, and dated July 1992:

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		LIVING UNDER ISRAELI OCCUPATION

	The toll of human rights violations by Israeli forces since
	Dec. 9, 1987:


	DEATHS						1,045

	INJURIES requiring hospitalization	      122,684*

	EXPLOSIONS					   66

	ADMINISTRATIVE detentions		       15,240

	CURFEWS (areas with 10,000+ population	       11,452
		under 24-hour curfew)
	(Plus almost constant curfews over entire
	West Bank and Gaza from Jan.16 - Feb.28, 1991)

	LAND CONFISCATION (acres)		       89,635

	HOUSE DEMOLITIONS/SEALINGS			2,154

	TREE UPROOTINGS				      142,494

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* Estimated Number

Source:  Palestine Human Rights Information Center, Jerusalem/
	 Chicago.  Figures through April 30, 1992.


Anisa

	"In eight years as a member of the House (1977 to 1985)
	and seven years in the Senate, Gore has compiled one of
	the strongest pro-Israel records on the Hill.  He has a
	100 percent record on foreign aid.  As a member of the
	Senate Armed Services Committee, he has been a champion
	of U.S.-Israeli strategic cooperation."
				Douglas Bloomfield,
			Washington Jewish Week, July 16, 1992
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