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From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:58:38 GMT
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School

In article <1992Sep30.221639.3826@techbook.com> davej@techbook.com (Dave J.
Johnsen) writes:

   > The football coaching position in Monroe, Oregon was held for
   > many years by a man named Richard Head.  He insisted on
   > Richard.  Didn't get it too often, though.

Many years ago, as a clerk at the university library, I was checking faculty
overdues when I came across a card for a person whose last name was Fallis.
I thought it would be rather amusing if his parents had named him Richard.
When I moved my hand to see what his first name actually was, I nearly fell
off my stool...it was Richard.  Either his parents had no clue, or it was a
family name.

Anyway, years later I ran into him and asked him if he took a lot of ribbing
over that.  He said that basically with a name like that you learn to
develop a sense of humor about it, and yes, his friends did call
him...Dick.

On a similar note, a roommate of mine who was going for his Masters in
English at the time, told me that during his time at the university he had
had professors Fallis, Cox, and Hardin.

Yeeesh!

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*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:30:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.025045.4889@nuscc.nus.sg> isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE) writes:
>Well David ... u should know when Love ended, Hell come loose!
>Let imagine u are in the lady's situation ...
>u & ur husband is separating ... both of u want the children ...
>so both of u go to court ... the judge's decision is based on
>who is most suitable for the children ....

Congratulations.  You have some sort of inkling of the workings of the
Australian judicial system.


>Now, that prince is rich, he can provide endless care, love,
>shelter, food , future educational opportunity, ...

Wrong.  He can provide endless money.  I think a bit of Beatles music is
appropriate at this point... maybe "Can't Buy Me Love...".  Wake up, george
from Singapore.


>Well, u can see he has an upper hand ...
>what about u ?   To convince the Judge, u have to come
>out with reasons that might have the slight possibility
>to be truth .... female circumsition ( right spelling? ),
>what about slavery in some Muslim country , ....?

Let's get back to what you were saying before - the judge has to make a
decision as to which parent is most capable of providing a well-adjusted,
solid upbringing for the child.
I'm not quite sure of the details, but from my recollection of the news
reports (this was quite some time ago), the husband had a few heavies go
beat the wife up and steal the kids.  No doubt, it's proof of the solid
upbringing he would provide.


>Is there Muslim in ur country ?  Do they perform this "ghastly
>operation" too ?   Maybe the Muslim there may care to comment ....

Yes, there are Muslims in Australia; whether they choose to inflict this
operation on their children is unknown to me, as I'm sure it is to you too.
Maybe you should move in with a Muslim family and find out?  Undoubtedly
they will find your aggressive behaviour about as appealing as I do.


>George ( from Singapore )

You're my hero.

NOT.




--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: Too many No's
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:07:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


My 3-year-old's former infant-toddler center had a great policy of
"two yesses for every no".  Implementing this often took some creativity
on the part of the daycare teachers.  For example, when spitting was making
the rounds:  "Spitting indoors is not okay; if you have to spit, you can
spit in the garbage or in the bushes."  It's really funny to see a
kid racing outside to the bushes so she can spit.  My husband and
I learned a lot from this approach, and we tried to carry it over at
home when we could find the patience and the ideas.

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re:  Survival Video
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:13:59 GMT

In article <1603@dcsc.dla.mil> czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright) writes:
>To Kevran Day:
>
>I tried to E-Mail you, but our mailer came back, "User Unknown."
>Here goes:
>
>I believe you're talking about "Pinhead," of the "Hellraiser" movie
>series.  I've never seen any of these movies, nor do I have a desire
>to.  I prefer older thrillers that didn't rely on blood and guts to
>scare people.

  It's awful, believe me.  What I wonder is what happens if your
  husband likes to see these movies and likes to watch Saturday
  Morning Cartoons like Conan, and such.  Everyone always talks
  about keeping kids from seeing these things, but if your husband
  likes to watch these things, you can't very well tell him not
  to.  Anyway I've told him that Tony might get nightmares and
  keep us awake all night.  What else can I tell him to keep
  him from watching horror movies at least while Tony is around?
  (He doesn't do it these days, but I'm afraid when Tony is older).
  Things like it's too scary or not appropriate just make him
  think I'm turning Tony into a wimp.  He thinks it's some macho
  thing to watch horror movies, and I had to sit through all of
  those Hellraiser I, and II, and now III is out, but luckily
  his mother couldn't baby-sit.  :-)  I still have nightmares
  occasionally from those Hellraiser movies.  It is truly
  awful, especially the parts where the person gets pulled
  apart physically by all the flying hooks digging into his
  body, and the skinning of his brother to replace his own
  skin, and the bloody dripping off the mattresses, yuk!

  Luckily these days Tony turns off the TV all the time.  When
  we want to watch something we have to turn on two TVs and use
  two remotes to alternatively switch on either TV and stand
  in between the two rooms while Tony runs from TV to TV to
  switch things off.  I've sort of made it a game with him
  so that my husband can't watch anything too seriously.  :-)
  Besides Tony gets a good aerobic workout too.

  What I've been doing is telling all these stories of kids on
  the net who can't sleep because they watched a horror movie.
  So so far he hasn't rented any and he doesn't have the time.
  He says that most doctors like to watch horror movies to relax,
  as if they don't see enough blood and gore in the emergency room!
  His friends actually fell asleep in a horror movie.  I guess it's
  just not so scary for them.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:15:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.012015.23329@CS.ORST.EDU> keeneye@CS.ORST.EDU (Eileen F. Keeney) writes:
>There are over 200 phrases (I don't recall the exact number)
>"Math class is Hard" is one of those phrases, a few others are
>more career oriented such as "I want to be a doctor".
>I believe there is no way of knowing what the doll says until you have
>purchased it  (an idea I don't like at all).
>However Mattel says they will accept exchanges if one does not like what
>the doll says.
>Personally I feel it is a bad idea to give a kid any such negative
>reinforcement such as having a doll that says such a phrase.
>But people have a right to buy or not buy such a product.
>Eileen Keeney  :-)    internet: keeneye@mist.cs.orst.edu

 I agree I think I want to be a doctor is deplorable. How dare they
encourage a child to grow up to be a crass overbearing know-it-all.
The child would soon have no consideration at all for other people
or their time. I think we should all sue Mattel.
I want to be a lawer.
 
================================================================================
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 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need Advice:  Sheltie puppy for son's 3rd birthday
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:11:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: osnome.RIGG.92Oct5161139
	<1992Oct1.174932.9402@netcom.com>
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: dsmythe@netcom.com's message of 1 Oct 92 17:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.174932.9402@netcom.com> dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe) writes:

   >For a 3-year-old, you may prefer a somewhat larger Sheltie.

   Ours is 18 inches at the shoulder and a fit and trim 30 pounds.  I prefer
   'em bigger myself.  The "breeding standard" says 14-16 inches at the
   shoulder and something like 20 pounds, but I think they're just trying to
   change a working dog into a lap dog and are making wimpy Shelties
   in the process.

I'll start by agreeing that shelties are the greatest dogs in the
world (okay, amoung the greatest).  I also have a big sheltie ("huge"
might be a better word at 19 1/2 inches and 44 pounds).  The bigger
shelties are a bit nicer in my opinion too.  Sam is very calm and
friendly.  Many of the smaller ones I have seen are a bit nervous.

   Oh, one last thing.  Shelties bark.  A lot.

Sam hardly ever barks.  However, my mother has one that barks a bit
more.  I think that telling them a good solid NO when they first start
barking does a little bit to stop the barking.

I will add one last thing that I have found universally true.
Shelties shed. A lot!

tim
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:26:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.152732.14450@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.114848.1596@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>>The Feingold diet and other diets have no effect on behavior, just as
>>>caffeine has no
>>
>>	Come to my house.
>>
>>	Do you have 1st hand experience?  Did you read the letter I
>>	posted?  Do you think that I am lying?
>
>Of course you're not lying.  Being convinced of a phenomenon when there's
>actually nothing going on there isn't lying, it's human nature.  Every kind
>of whacko diet claimed to be of use in ADD, when it's been looked at in
>controlled studies, and in objective ratings of child behavior, has been
>shown to be no more effective than an equivalent sham therapy.
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

	The letter (which you did not read) was not scribbled out one
	sunny afternoon.  It was re-written dozens of times in an effort
	to be clear and correct.  One of the starting points I made
	was how I myself was apathetic to the cause.  Seeing is believing,
	and when you physically see results, and receive 3rd hand
	reports of improved behavior IMMEDIATELY,  that's science.

	Then you can subject them to an offending material and see
	a change for the worse in minutes.

	This stuff gets to be second nature after a while, and you forget
	about it.  You just reap the benefits.  We have another child
	on the way.  The reason that we do is that I developed a fertility
	problem for which I underwent surgery twice to correct.  The
	funny thing as I remember it was that as I sat at home both
	times with my nuts in a sling (literally) Stacey seemed quite
	irritating.  I said, "Boy, you mean I went through this for
	more of *THAT*." Turned out that both times she was experiencing
	a reaction to something.  But that was not our first thought
	or guess.  I said, "has she had anything "bad" lately?"  My
	wife said, "Not that I can think of"

	Well one of the times the problem was red coloring in bubble
	bath.  We had cut it out.  But *I* had used it the two nights
	before because she liked it.  My wife didn't know I had.
	The next time the problem was red dye inside her diaper lining.
	My wife had just started the new box.  SOme have the dye, and
	others don't.

	Anyway, I'm sure you missed Phil Donahue yesterday.  Dr Rapp
	and a host of mothers in agreement were on.  They had tapes
	and writing examples of kids with sensetivity problems.

	Of course I don't expect anyone who's made up their minds
	already to believe evidence.  I don't want to confuse you
	with the facts.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 07:35:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I teach a child who always expects his work to be perfect, always
walks around with a permanently worried look on his face and always
seems to be on the edge of some sort of breakdown.  This attitude
might be self inflicted but I have a feeling it's a result of parental
pressure.  BTW, this child is 6 years old.

My advice would be to LAY OFF OR YOU MAY TURN YOUR CHILD INTO A
BASKET CASE!

Think very hard about what you're doing to your daughter.
--
From: jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:20:51 GMT
	<1992Oct1.004841.12756@u.washington.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> 
>[deleted stuff about how to motivate a 4 year old to be a brilliant  
>professional]
> 
>May I recommend a book?  <Owliver>; can't recall author, but it's on the  
>early childhood shelf at the library.  Same  illustrator as <Whose Mouse Are  
>You?>
> 
>Owliver's mother is she he'll be a great artist or actor and buys him all  
>kinds of paint, art and music toys.  Owliver's father is sure he'll be a  
>great doctor or lawyer and buys him doctor toys, etc.
> 
>Owliver grows up to be a firefighter.
> 
>It's a kids' book for parents.

YES!  I use this book all the time when I do career programs for
kids--and it just perfect to give kids (and parents) the message--you
can be whatever you want to be!  My son (age 7) always talks about the
book too.  Some other great books for this 4 year old would be
"Berenstein Bears Learn about Careers" and the "Children's Dictionary of
Occupations".  We love all of them.  Judi Mancuso
 
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From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Center for Policy Alternatives Reacts to Bush Family Leave Veto
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:08:26 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Sep25.015108.1284@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>Here is a press release from the Center for Policy Alternatives.
>
> Center for Policy Alternatives Reacts to Bush Family Leave Veto
> To: National Desk,
> Contact: Ed Field of the Center for Policy Alternatives,
>          202-387-6030
>
> BACKGROUND:
>   While President Bush struck American families with his second veto
>of the family and medical leave bill, a nationwide poll on women and
>the economy -- "Women's Voices" -- found that 69 percent of women and
>63 percent of many men strongly support family leave laws.  1,400
>women and 200 men were surveyed.  The poll is a project of the Ms.
>Foundation for Women and the Center for Policy Alternatives.
>
While I support family leave, I have to wonder at the validity of
 a poll that surveys 200 men and extrapolates to the entire U.S.
population.  Sheesh!  Don't you love statistics?


-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:35:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.130847.7837@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
> 	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
> 	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
> 	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
> 	things in their environment.

In the books on allergies that I've been reading, all agree that
behavioral disorders are *rarely* caused by allergies and their
symptoms, and then only in children who have other allergic
symptoms such as hives or asthma.  In *most* cases a change in diet
does *not* improve the behavior.

> 	Prescribing something like Ritalin for "ADD", is like
> 	taking "downers" to counteract the "uppers" you just took.

It's a medicine that works for people who have a specific
neurologic dysfunction that causes ADD and is not a downer.  Nor
is ADD a result of uppers.
-- 
Krista Anderson, att!ihlpf!krista
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:08:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.164839.13514@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.130847.7837@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>>	"ADD" is a falacy.  The majority if not all kids/people
>>	with this type of behaviour/attention "disorder" is due
>>	to allergic/sensitivity reactions to various foods and
>>	things in their environment.

>>	Prescribing something like Ritalin for "ADD", is like
>>	taking "downers" to counteract the "uppers" you just took.

>	Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) is not a fallacy.  The
>	existence of this syndrome is well established by empirical
>	research.   The theory that hyperactive behaviors or symptoms
>	of ADD are caused by food additives or allergy has no empirical
>	support in the scientific literature.  I believe the Feinberg
>	diet (eliminating food additives) has been empirically tested
>	and found not to work.  Cognitive difficulties due to
>	environmental lead exposure, by contrast, are a real problem.

>	Not every child with a behavioral problem or learning disability
>	needs Ritalin or other psychotropics.   Ritalin  has probably
>	been overprescribed in some quarters.  The results of treatment
>	with Ritalin in ADD/ADHD sometimes seem miraculous; the medication
>	can be extremely helpful for some children.

Amen. Before accepting a prescription for ritalin, be sure that a 
complete physcial/neurological workup is done. Children have been
diagnosed with ADD when they actually suffered from such unrelated
disorders as pinworms and epilepsy. I think an EEG is an absolute 
requirement since in some cases Dilantin or other medication is 
indicated, not ritalin.
 

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:08:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct6.000822.25201
Organization: Western Washington University

aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:

>The allergy treatments, modified diet, forbidding him to
>watch violence on T.V., and more rigid routine at school 
>and home has allowed my son to make some progress in 
>controlling his own behavior without the possible
>side-effects of Ritalin.

???

There is no possible side-effect of Ritalin that could possibly 
be as bad or worse than allergy treatments, modified diet, and 
being forbidden to watch violence on T.V.

>I don't know whether he will ever reach the point where 
>he will be able to participate in a regular classroom.

The longer you go, the less likely he ever will.  I would give
the Ritalin a shot if I were in this position.

>I empathize with parents efforts to manage an ADD child
>within their family.  Providing for my son's care has 
>taken concerted effort from my wife (a full-time mother), 
>myself, his two younger sisters, and our school district.
>For families with less resources (time) to contain one of 
>these children, perhaps Ritalin is more appropriate treatment.

>A IDLER

JD
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24906 rec.arts.books:17421
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
Subject: To Kiple! (was Re: SEPTEMBER KIDS' BOOK QUIZ--ANSWERS)
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:04:08 GMT
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

Mimi Wellington writes:
>It is the hardest thing in the world to frighten a mongoose, because he is
>eaten up from nose to tail with curiosity.  The motto of all the mongoose
>family is, "Run and find out"...
>    
>    --from _The Jungle Book_, "Rikki-Tikki-Tavi," by Rudyard Kipling
>
> This is my absolute favorite part of _The Jungle Book_

YES!  YES!  YES!

How come no one talks about PUCK OF POOK'S HILL or REWARDS AND FAIRIES
on this board, anyway?

	the can curl, can't swim Mr. E-----
--

LNH@physics.arizona.edu          \   "Hidden harmony is better than
The insane don't need disclaimers \   manifest."  -- Heraclitus, #47
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Biting utensils
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:59:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep28.145946.15918
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

Recently my 5 /12 month old daughter has gotten her 2 bottom teeth.
She has started to bite the spoon when I am feeding her. Is this just
a faze, or do I need to show her how not to? I know.. She is only 5
1/2 months, I can't expect a lot.

-Laura

ps. She has been eating cereal since she was 4 months, I recently added
gerber baby food to her diet.
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:49:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct6.224956.24264
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct6.194400.1479@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>No, he's comparing macintosh and delicious.  You, when you talk about
>>drinking motor oil, are comparing apples and oranges.
>	AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH but I am not!!!!!!
>	What is one of the principal items that kids react to, according
>	to Feingold?
>	Artificial Food colorings and dies!!
>	And what are these things made of??????
>	PETROLEUM!!!!!!!!!!

Joel Levin was right.  The entertainment value listening to this guy
is almost worth the aggravation.  Too bad he's raising kids, tho.

>	So do you think that kids *MIGHT* react adversely to this?

Um, you're at Lincoln Labs at MIT, eh?  I hope you're not working on
any "mission critical" components.  Gad.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.women