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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Chuck Crim, acker, et al (was 9-5)
Keywords: baseball, men's professional, broadcast
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:46:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.022320.29990@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
|> 
|> There is my entry for the nomination of net.anti.christ: Chuck Crim.  Up to
|> this Monday, Crim had a 5.35 ERA, having given up 77 hits in 67 1/3 innings,
|> 14 of which are doubles and 7 of which are homers, and walked 23, striking out
|> only 22.  He also has 4 wild pitches, and allowed 16 stolen bases (to 6 caught
|> stealings). :-(  (Crim's 16 SB against leads all major league relievers.)
|> 

Well, I have no stats next to my desk to back me up, but I nominate
Kenny Rogers and his band of gopher chucking gunslingers in the Texas
bullpen as the collective _Paradise Lost_ pitcher hell...

It goes back to everyone's favorite Murphy's Law thing...I'll be flipping
channels, and come across a Ranger game in the 7th inning or so.

If I do NOT watch the game, Rangers win.
If I watch the game, in comes <insert your most hated Ranger pitcher here>,
he serves 'em up, Rangers lose.

Bobby Witt - 10 walks in less than five innings.  Much cooler than his
             previous "hmmmm" stat: 4 Ks in one inning.


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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:39:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.153151.5482@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>The problem may be that an appreciating asset (like a MLB team) can still
>show cash losses every year, and an owner can have problems covering
>them.

Yes, but there's not much evidence that baseball teams really are regularly
suffering losses.

>(devoid of factual support) is that owning a MLB team will become
>an activity similar to farming:  people will be willing to
>invest more resources in it than is economically feasible 
>just because they enjoy it so much.

That seems to describe the past more than the future.  In the past,
baseball teams tended to be family-owned, and the owners were in it because
they enjoyed it so much.  With the value of franchises as high as they are
now, more and more teams are corporate-owned, and even for the ones that
aren't, nobody invests $100 million just for the fun of it.  Anybody who's
invested that much money wants to see a return, and is going to run it like
a business.  I think this is a very positive thing; we're starting to see
the effects of this in hockey, as there's been a changing of the guard from
the old owners who don't have that much invested to the newer owners who
have a lot of money invested.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Quantum Leap
Keywords: Cardinals
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:48:11 GMT

Although I don't follow the show, I am aware of the basic premise
of the show Quantum Leap( the main character travels through time
assuming the identities of people in order to right a wrong that
occurred), and I got to thinking about how nice it would be to have
that power and be a Cardinal fan (-:.

A couple of episodes come immediately to mind.

Sam(main character) leaps into the winter meetings as Dal Maxvill
just before Dal announces they are pulling out of the free agent
hunt leaving Wally Joyner and danny Tartabull to other teams. In
this episode, the new improved Dal instead announces they have signed
either Wally or Danny.

Sam leaps into Ted Simmons body prior to the June draft of 1989.
Ted is about to announce the Cardinals first selection in the draft
as highschool OF Paul Coleman from texas. Instead, Ted(Sam) announces
the Cardinals choice as .... Frank Thomas 1B from Auburn.

A future show could prevent the Steve Carlton/Rick Wise trade.


Of course we all know that the series pilot would be reversing my
favorite recent trade , Ken Hill for Andres Gaggaragga.




Russ Smith
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"Many dreams come true, some have silver linings,  
I live for my dreams, and a pocketful of gold"      Led Zeppelin
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From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: AL RC/27 Leaders
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:09:29 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
>Players must qualify for the batting race.
>
>Frank Thomas, Chicago           11.12   1B      ; what a sophomore slump! :-)
>Mark McGwire, Oakland           9.40    1B
>Edgar Martinez, Seattle         9.11    3B
>Paul Molitor, Milwaukee         8.11    DH
>Roberto Alomar, Toronto         8.00    2B
>Dave Winfield, Toronto          7.84    DH
>Shane Mack, Minnesota           7.76    LF
>Ken Griffey, Seattle            7.71    CF
>John Olerud, Toronto            7.47    1B
>Lou Whitaker, Detroit           7.37    2B
>Kirby Puckett, Minnesota        7.21    CF      ; best CF in the game?  Nope.
>Mickey Tettleton, Detroit       7.20    C       ; Brian Harper is *not* close.
>Brady Anderson, Baltimore       6.82    LF

(List cut off)

***** This is not intended to be a flame *****

Question:  Have you attempted to somehow sum these RC/27 stats for all
the members of a team and compare the result to the actual runs scored
by the team as a sanity check?  I have a hard time believing that some
of the guys on this list are more valuable offensively than others (John
Olerud better than Big Cecil?), probably because I still cling tenaciously
to RBI as a worthwhile stat.

***** Once again, this is not intended to be a flame *****

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
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From: Don Soucy <AB47@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Emotional Attachment to Teams
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:29:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.192643.801973@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.044836.28038@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>Sherri's post got me to thinking about fans' emotional attachment to teams.
>>Who or what are we rooting for, really?                               The
>>
> Marketing certainly has a big effect here in Canada.  People across
> country consider the Blue Jays there home team, even in places as far
  off as Vancouver.  In eastern Canada, many people used to root for
  the Red Sox.  Now, most of them that I know root for the Jays -- and
  not because they love Toronto as a city; they often have little good
  to say about damn "Upper Canadians" from "Tahrahna".  I think a good
  part of the Blue Jays popularity is that they are being marketed as
  well as the beer sponsor markets its product.  Furthermore, the media
  treats the Jays like the national team -- they are very jingoistic
  about them.   A result is that even what appeared to be die-hard
  Maritime Red Sox fans of 15 years ago have abandoned our beloved
  BoSox for the Jays.

  Over the past decade, the Expos seem to have lost any image they may
  have had as Canada's team.  That could be English Canadian chauvinism
  against anything from Quebec, but it certainly also has to do with
  the Expos's record.  I'm sure will see more Expos fans not that
>.they're toying with the top.

  Me?  My first ball game was going to see # 9 at Fenway.  The year
  I got my license I blasted my horn all through September whenever Ken
  Coleman shouted "Going, going, GONE!" to a Yaz home run in the
>.impossible dream year.  If I'm going to still pay attention to
  baseball, how can I help but be a Red Sox fan?

  Don Soucy
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: National League has abandoned the West
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:41:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Bradley University

In <16208@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:

>Say it ain't so!  The recent Examiner story stated that in a straw poll
>National League owners would approve a move for the Giants.  If
>the Giants do in fact move, the National League will have essentially
>abandoned the West.  This would leave four teams west of the Mississippi,
>the Padres, Dodgers, Astros, and Rockies.  This is a disgrace.  Florida
>would somehow merit as many National League teams as California!?!

Not to pick nits or anything, but last time I checked, St. Louis was also
west of the Mississippi.

Hey, if you're going to use the phrase....

And as for misbalance, California and Florida may have the same number of
NL teams, but California has a total of 4 teams, Florida 2.  Not that
skewed when you consider that Florida is the 4th largest state by
population.

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From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Twins win--gain ground in AL West
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:23:06 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

In <1992Aug15.143506.14036@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:

>In article <1992Aug15.053656.10183@news.stolaf.edu> alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>>night.  Gagne also homered for the Twins.  Griffey, Jr. homered for the 
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>David West got the win, pitching 5 no-hit innings in relief of Bill Krueger.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Oakland lost to California 2-1 on a 2-run shot by Chad Curtis. 
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>...and it was a full moon last night.

Well, that's one possible explanation, but I think it was actually
because I wrote to my brother (he lives in Bolivia).

Last year, I wrote him at the end of May telling him how sucky the
Twins were.  At the end of June, I wrote him to tell him how amazing
they now were.  When they started to lose again in the beginning of July,
I wrote again, the last time until after the World Series.

This year, I wrote him at the end of May.  They climbed into first.
I wrote to him just before they played Oakland in the dome.  Sorry.
So now I wrote to him again and I promise not to write again until
after the Series.

-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
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to do today.
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From: BALAURO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Who's playing at Candlestick?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:23:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92227.112311BALAURO
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Are there any games this weekend at Candlestick Park?  And who is playing?
Thank You
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Protected Lists
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:12:40 GMT

In article <20AUG199201105541@juliet.caltech.edu> aaron@juliet.caltech.edu (Packman, Aaron I.) writes:

>Why would an expansion team bother to draft these older, expensive players
>when they can get the same through free agency?  To take an example from 

Because you lose draft picks if you sign free agents.

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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: usscoop1@bnr.ca (Chuck McCusker P015)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oriloes/A's games
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:28:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP

|> 
|> Kirby Puckett=MVP NOT!!!
|> TWINS=Back to Back World Champs Definately NOT!
|>
Not even going to win the west. Going to be and all A's series. Oak & Atl.

I called ticketmaster and they said the A's O's series for the weekend of
the 21st is sold out. Does anyone in the area know of any other way to get
tickets. I am especially interested in Friday's game. Thanks. 

Chuck Ross - A's fan in good and bad times, just enjoy the good times a lot more
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Kevin Gross No-Hits Giants---and Wins!
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:25:00 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Dodgers avoided the sweep tonight in grand fashion.
Kevin Gross pitched a career-best no-hitter tonight
in beating the Giants 2-0.  Gross walked 2 batters
in the 2nd, but a double play ended that threat.
He hit a batter in the 9th, but the Giants were
unable to move the runner past first.

Eric Karros continued his second half drive towards
Rookie of the Year honors (is ANYONE even challenging?)
with a solo home run.  The Dodgers other run came
when Butler doubled and Rodriguez singled.

The Dodgers got excellent pitching in the four games against
the Giants.  The Giants had just 4 hits in games 1 and 2 and
5 hits in game 3 for a total of just 13 hits in the 4 game
series...yet they won 3 of the 4....mostly with mirrors.

Will Clark was hitless the entire 4 game series.  He
has a lifetime average of .321 against the Dodgers and
.365 against Gross, but was hitless again tonight.

In other news, Darryl Strawberry and his doctors confirmed
today that he will not need surgery on his back after all.
Darryl will probably rejoin the club on September 1 and give
his back a work out.  If he re-injures it, they can always
still do the surgery.  But right now, it appears to have
healed nicely.  But the way Rodriquez has been playing
of late (7 game hitting streak), Dodger fans are wondering
who needs Darryl and his attitude.

The Dodgers made no errors tonight and Jose Offerman saved
Gross' no-hitter in the 8th inning with a leaping and
brilliant catch of a smash line drive that looked off the
bat like the Giants first hit.  Funny Offerman would
make the defensive play of the night, huh?

				BleedsDodgerBlue

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Suncoast Monstrosity
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.081102.12985@leland.Stanford.EDU> altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus) writes:
>
>on what grounds do you claim that Jacksonville (which most floridians 
>consider to be more a part of Georgia than Florida, anyway) has worse heat
>and rain than St. Pete?  even if it does, anyone who has ever gone to 
>minor league games in the Bay Area (the Tampa Bay area!) on a regular basis
>knows that a dome is absolutely necessary.

I overstated the case slightly.  The relevant figures may be found in the 1992
World Almanac pp 207-209.  During the summer months Tampa's temperature is a
little bit higher and Jacksonville's precipitation is a little bit higher.
Honestly they are all very close.  Tampa is warmer during the winter but that's
beside the point.

>growing up in tampa, i went to Tarpons games a LOT, and i don't ever 
>remember seeing one game...always zero or two.  i remember lots of games
>where the weather was fine all day and until the top of the second, when 
>a few clouds would appear, and by the bottom of the second it was pouring
>rain and the stadium was shaking with the thunder;  granted, this was a
>minor-league stadium without the best ground-equipment, but no WAY could
>they play on that field for the next several hours.  that doesn't cut it 
>in the majors, especially for regional draw...how'd you like to drive three
>hours to a game when the weather is fine up to the middle of the third, only 
>to have the sky open up and the game postponed?  how'd you like to drive 
>five or six hours to spend a weekend seeing three games and have them 
>ALL rained out?  with no warning from the weather people?  this WILL be
>happening in Miami...

The modern MLB grass ballparks have the precision athletic turf system which
solves this problem.  Roger Bossard, the groundskeeper at Bill Veeck Park :>)
claims that play can ALWAYS resume twenty minutes after it stops raining, no
matter what.



-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: 3 division in N.L. : West, Mideast, East
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:34:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.141051.7696@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.155544.6624@bony1.bony.com>, billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>|> In article <1992Aug10.205725.14072@leland.Stanford.EDU> bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
>|> >Someone mentioned this a while back, I believe.  It makes even more sense
>|> >now, IMHO, if the Giants move to Florida.
>|> >
>|> >NL West  	  NL Mideast		NL East
>|> >
>|> >Dodgers		   Cubs                  Mets
>|> >Padres             Cardinals             Atlanta
>|> >Astros             Pirates               FLA Giants
>|> >Colorado           Reds                  FLA Marlins
>|> >		   Phillies	         Expos
>|> 

Maybe, just to get rid of all the pissing and moaning about re-alignment, the
NL should just go back to the league format, with the two best teams slugging
it out in the LCS...

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Save the Giants
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:21:20 GMT

In article <DPASSAGE.92Aug17005127@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU> dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.060506.668@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
>	claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>   I think buying a major league team, due to the fact that the value of teams go
>   up so quickly, is a *great* investment.  However, I am less than optimistic
>   about the share-holding plan that these people are putting together.  Unlike
>   Bob Lurie (who owns the whole team), if you own a tiny fraction of the team,
>   you cannot sell the team to the highest bidder on your whim, and therefore I
>   think that in fact you will likely not gain anything by investing under this
>   plan.
>
>Sure you can.  It happens all the time.  It's called the stock market.

One crucial difference: in the stock market, you (generally) get dividends for
investing in stocks.  Since the Giants *lose* money each year, you won't get
any dividends.

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GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Definition of RC/27
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:34:27 GMT

Sorry if someone sees this twice...  I don't think it made it out the first
time...

Since many people asked for the definition of RC/27, here it is:

A = TB + (.26 * (BB + IBB - HB)) + (.52 * (SB + SH + SF))
B = H + BB + HB - CS - GDP
C = AB + BB + HB + SH + SF

RC = A * B / C

O = AB - H + CS + GDP + SH + SF

RC/27 = RC / O * 27

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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dodgers Lose 33rd One-Run Game--what else is new?
Date: 22 Aug 1992 23:09:51 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Cubs rallied in the ninth inning to hand the Dodgers another
one run loss.  Kevin Gross followed up his no-hitter with
a pretty good outing, lasting 8 innings and leaving the
game with the score 4-3, thanks to two two-run homers by
the Dodgers (Rodriguez and Butler).

The Cubs started the ninth with an infield single.  Offerman
made a great play to reach the ball, then stupidly threw
to first where he had NO chance to get an out.  The ball
sailed over Karros' head.  After a wild pitch, the Cubs
had a runner on third with nobody out.  The Dodger bull pen,
specifically Candelaria and Gott, were unable to retire
the Cubs in the ninth before the 4th and 5th runs for the
Cubbies had been plated.  Ironically, the last hit and game
winner came from .216 hitting former Dodger Jose Viscaino.

Candelaria suffered the loss and Ken Patterson picked up the
win for the Cubs, with Scanlan getting the save.  In the
bottom of the ninth, the Dodgers Eric Karros led off
with a single and Eric Young ran for him.  Young reached
second on a ground out.  Then, the game ended on a double
play when Salazar snagged a line drive in the gap that looked
off the bat like a sure hit that would plate Young.  Instead,
Salazar threw to second and easily beat the embarrassed
Young for the double play to end the game.

Offerman's error was his 34th.

Tomorrow the Cubs go for the sweep.  When was the last time the
Cubs swept the Dodgers in LA????  Former Dodger Mike Morgan
goes against rookie sensation Pedro Astacio and his .87 ERA.

					BleedsDodgerBlue
From: gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Village Voice Trivia Quiz  31-40   *small SPOILER*
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:37:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug12.172240.27508@panix.com> wlarkin@panix.com (Ward Larkin) writes:
>40. Why do umpires all wear black underwear?

  So that in case they split their pants, it won't be as noticeable as if
they had been wearing white underwear.

Ben...

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:26:25 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <a2sQ02J71d9K01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>Irving Grousbeck, Cable TV Mogul from Portola Valley and (ex)potential buyer
>of the Giants, stated that the Giants would need to bring in 35,000/game
>(2.8 million) to turn a profit after the 1994 CBS renegotiation.

There isn't a 1994 CBS renegotiation.  The contract with CBS expires after
the 1993 season.  Any network will be free to bid, and I think it's pretty
likely that we'll see a shared network contract, as in the past.  Any
numbers used here were highly speculative, given how far into the future
they're projecting.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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