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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:09:04 GMT

In article <UeYcGfi00WB24=P7Yn@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz" <ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Good gentles, I recommend me to you.
>
>Vajk has been speaking with people on a 'Arts and Sciences-Enchanted
>Ground'. And one of his (or some of his aquaintances) ideas was:
>
>> Things like looms and forges could be set up permanently.  
>
>One question is: are your associates willing to pay year round 
>rent for such a structure?
>
>The land is owned by the Coopers. When people camp there during the
>year they pay a fee per day. Usually it's about $4 or $4.50, just 
>like the rate we pay for camping there before the weekend of the
>War. If they were to charge you a straight camping fee for having 
>a forge or loom set up it would cost someone about $1500 per year. 
>Also, there's the cost of putting up a new permanent structure that 
>they would need only for one customer, the SCA.

Milady, the Coopers store many things for Pennsicv useage at a barn back 
on the hill, and as I understand it, the fee is monthly and considerably
less than the regular camping fee. My own household stores a trailer ther
year round, and we only unpack it a Pennsic. The only stipulation I think
the Coopers put on this is that the stored items be easily movable. In our
case the trailer can be attached to one of their tractors and moved by them
at their will.
>
>How much would the cost of that new structure be worth it to them
>in the long run? Would it be a reasonable capital expense? 

You're right here. I don't think that a new structure would necessarily be
in the best interestd of the Coopers, unless they could use it for other
things. One of the discussions we had regarding a permanent dance floor in 
the barn was quashed when the Coopers told us they drive tractors and other
heavy equipment through there throughout the year. This would certainly kill
a dance floor in no time at all.

>Before you continue brainstorming on this topic, you really need to 
>contact the Coopers and get their reaction to your idea.
>
>In service,
>
>Esmeralda la Sabia

I agree that the Coopers should be contacted before much thought is given
to permanent structures. I suggest that all interested parties come to the
Pennsic Planning Comittee meetings. I will post the date of the first one
as soon as I find out what it is. I know it will be sometime in November,
but the exact date has not yet been set. Brainstorming should continue apace
since any idea can be thrown out before it comes to fruition. Anyone familiar
with Colonial Williamsburg might want to bring a layout of that site for
perusal.

In Service,

Corun



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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:53:46 GMT

The charming Esmeralda la Sabia, in response to Vajk's
suggestion of "permanent looms and forges" wrote:

  One question is: are your associates willing to pay year round 
  rent for such a structure?

  The land is owned by the Coopers. When people camp there during the
  year they pay a fee per day. Usually it's about $4 or $4.50, just 
  like the rate we pay for camping there before the weekend of the
  War. If they were to charge you a straight camping fee for having 
  a forge or loom set up it would cost someone about $1500 per year. 
  Also, there's the cost of putting up a new permanent structure that 
  they would need only for one customer, the SCA.

  How much would the cost of that new structure be worth it to them
  in the long run? Would it be a reasonable capital expense? 

Firstly, dear lady, I think Vajk meant semi-permanent, as in, for
the duration of the war.

But, if not, there is a solution.  Many of you may have seen the wonderful
booth of Claus the Toymaker: a period appearing wooden cottage, whose interior
is appointed with tables, a bed, and much storage.  I asked him if he trucks
the booth in each year.

The structure can be moved, somewhat.  The Coopers/Wilvers move it each
year to a vacant field, where it is stored for the entire year, and then
move it back for Pennsic.  The storage cost is $10/month.  The cottage
itself cost him about 3000 to build, as he reported.

	Tibor
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From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: How long does it take?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:24:28 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University student of numerology

To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings!

Berwynn wrote:
> including confirmation of subscribing members.  Just LAST WEEK
> we finaly learned that we have been recognized as an _incipient_ group,

Arval Benicoeur failed to mention in his response that every new group has
to spend some time in incipient status.

Meridies appears to have introduced a status below incipient, forcing new
groups to spend even longer before receiving recognition.  Of course,
Meridies has bizarre attitudes about groups' status.
-- 
    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies
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From: vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Who Won the War?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:59:52 EDT

I'm not kidding about that header, folk  I've been scanning through
the Pennsic postings, and I can gather that the East won some major
battles and some kinda Grand Tournament, and that the Midrealm fielded
some killer archery, but that don't tell me squat about WHO WON THE WAR.
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From: ksp8305@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.S. Palmer )
Subject: Request for song "Born on the List Field"
Originator: ksp8305@ultb
Keywords: pennsic, atlantia, song
Organization: Vulcan Science Academy, Shi Kahr, Vulcan
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:15:02 GMT


Unto the fishers of the Rialto does Adelais Berengar send greetings!

At the recent Pennsic War (Tournament?), I heard a song that I enjoyed
very much but was not able to get the words to.  It is called "Born on
the
List Field".  The singer I heard was from Atlantia so if anyone down
there could send the words up to me I would appreciate it.  Since this
account exists on borrowed time it would be best to mail the song to: K.
Palmer, P.O. Box 90666, Rochester, NY 14609.

Many thanks in advance.

Adelais

-- 
Karyn Palmer
KSP8305@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
KSP8305@ultb.isc.rit.edu
WARNING: Excessive study can cause severe dain bramage.
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic in brief
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:49:00 GMT

WH>  From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
WH>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
WH>
WH>  >dreary rain, dank overcast, bitter-cold nights, and steamy sunshine.
WH>
WH>  Bitter cold?  She came home with her virgin wool socks still virgin.
WH>  heat' she would agree with--though apparently those she talked to
WH>  didn't consider it all that hot.

One's perception of the cold/heat is very much a personal thing. One may be 
quite uncomfortable while another feels "just right". My boyfriend is nearly 
impervious to cold and heat that nearly prostrate me! He may say he's 
*mildly* less comfortable soaked to the skin in a raging downpour, but his 
only real complaint is that clouds depress him. I, meanwhile, am wearing two 
cloaks and sneezing! Conversely it may be 100 out and he will think it a bit 
too warm, while I'm ill from heat stroke. I have two daughters who can be 
counted on to dress (and feel) almost the opposite in the same place on the 
same day. Alicia will be in shorts and a halter, and Carla will have on 
heavy pants, a warm shirt, and a sweater. It may be December, or it may be 
June....

Moreach
email to: trifid@agora.rain.com
From: garfield@triton.tamu.edu (SUSAN_MAHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic XXI
Keywords: Pennsic XXI weather
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:58:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Aug19.191238.7158
Reply-To: garfield@triton.tamu.edu
Organization: TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Pennsic XXI had wonderful weather. I agree that the rains on Friday and
Saturday nights were heavy. We arrived on Friday around 4:00pm (badges
1494, 1499, 1500) and had camp set up by 9:00pm. The next morning we 
discovered some leakages had occurred, but we managed to get everything
dried out and weatherproofed before the next rains occurred.  After that 
we had no problems with tents leaking. Of course, we were camped on the
plains which might have had something to do with it.

The heat on Monday was bad, but since I'm from Texas, it wasn't too bad.
The worst part was getting sunburned on Tuesday at opening ceremonies.  
It was so cool that we didn't think anything about sunblock...until too
late.  I didn't blister but my friend wasn't as lucky.  She wore her 
Elizabethan with the chemise front opened. Her sunburn was so bad you could
see where the individual pearls and the pendant from her necklace had been.

I hope that next year the weather is less wet but otherwise about the same
so that I can wear the 3 or 4 new Elizabethans I plan to make this year.
I wore one outfit for Grand Court and it was fun. People kept stopping me
so that they could take pictures of me.  I even had one gentle address me
"Your Majesty", which startled me since I'm just a simple Lady.

Renate Johanna Wilhelmina Warnecke
Shadowlands, Ansteorra

Susan Mahan
College Station, TX
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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: Ps & Qs; Thees & Thous
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:46:53 GMT

In article <4991@gold.gvg.tek.com> conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten) writes:
>In article <kleber.712852451@husc8> kleber@husc8.harvard.edu (Gwydden) writes:
>>
>>Was this really period practice, other than in the King James bible?
>>I never did understand why God didn't get "you"'d by all-- if a king of
>>flesh and blood was worth of being a "you", how much more so God?
>
>I suppose it's because you would "thee/thou" your father so therefore
>you thee/thou your Father.  :-)

In French, at least, conservative people often don't "thou" their parents.

(French, by the way, has a pair of regular verbs for using one or the other
mode of address:  TUTOYE(R) and VOUVOYE(R).)

anton@cloondara.mists.west.sca
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: kids in SCA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 01:58:02 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) writes:

> (I often think we should recreate minor sorts of badges, tabards, etc., for
> just this purpose, so the responsible young get the necessary respect. Make
> a small cloth "sandwich board" with your arms for small pages and runners.
> I've seen too many children ignored for the sake of their child-ness who
> have something important to say...more often in Mundania...but even in the
> SCA. Give them a red belt or something!)
>

wasn't that the point of dressing your lackeys in your arms back when?  why not
have the nippers wear a surcoat of the arms of the person they represent while
they are representing them?  from what i have read, that is period...  then you
would KNOW that little jenny represents Duke Fred of the Howling Winds, and
people might step more smartly...  B)

                                                -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com                   ________
        I don't need a hero                Silence \      / Action
        I don't need a soldier                =     \    /    =
        I did when i was younger            Death    \  /    Life
        But now i'm so much older.                    \/
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Drachenwald to be kingdom
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:25:32 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!

It occurs to me that I haven't seen mention of what may have been the most
interesting piece of court business at Pennsic.  At Great Court, the Prince
and Princess of Drachenwald presented their petition for kingdom status.
It was met with universal acclaim.  The current plan calls for Drachenwald
to be the 13th kingdom by Pennsic XXII.

At this news, Eastern Great Officers were seen to roll in the aisles with
glee, giggling hysterically.



Well, maybe not REALLY, but I'll bet they wanted to!

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu (Brian Scott Wilson)
Subject: Re: How long does it take?
Reply-To: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:35:40 GMT



>Meridies appears to have introduced a status below incipient, forcing new
>groups to spend even longer before receiving recognition.  Of course,
>Meridies has bizarre attitudes about groups' status.
>-- 
>    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies



This is news to me. I have been helping a group get going in Georgia
 and have not heard anything of this?

Sir Brian
Meridies
From: daver@mozart.amd.com (David Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: A&S camp / music camp at Pennsic
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:06:15 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

Let me try this again as the last article was a disaster..

It's interesting that this idea has come up now as I and some
friends have been discussing having a music camp since Pennsic XX.
Ideally we wanted all of the muscians to camp together to facilitate
finding each other for practice and jam sessions or whatnot.  A 
complaint I heard more than once this year was that if you didn't 
know the right people you didn't hear about some of the pickup groups.
I don't think this was on purpose, but was a result of the lack of
organisation of the music coupled with the size of Pennsic.  We have been
worried about the Enchanted Campground syndrome, though, of people wanting to
camp with their friends, so the alternative is to have a tent/pavilion
as a central practice place and information point.  I envision this as
having bulletin boards with practice announcements and musician want ads
as well as sign-ups for use of the tent itself.  If centrally located it 
would become a real magnet for all of the musicians and maybe people
just wanting to stop and listen.  There could be various jam sessions
(different types of music and different levels of abilities) scheduled
as well dance music practice, which I don't think even exists right now.
If the autocrat doesn't want to provide this as an official facility I
am thinking of personally renting a Grimms for this as my Patronage of
music at Pennsic.  Any feedback as to the workability of this or the
campground idea?  I have to admit that the idea of being in my camp and
hearing madrigals drift in from one side and perhaps dance music from the
other is very appealing.

M. Robyn Solarius              Dave Rubin
Bryn Gwlad, Ansteorra          Austin, Tx.
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From: ca855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Allen Coody)
Subject: Re: Rapiers
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:32:08 GMT


Sorry about the structure of my posting relating to rapier rules, but
I was assailed by many people at the time I was working on it and I lost
its structure.  Once again, are there rules within the SCA which pertain to
the use of rapiers?  A friend mentioned the existence of such rules, but I
did not have time to question him further.  Thank you for your time.
-- 
"The Past Lives within the Present"  
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From: EDK.LASPAU@mhsgw.harvard.EDU (EDK)
Subject: Town Battle
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:14:00 GMT


From a spectator's point of view, the Town Battle at Pennsic did not seem 
to be very different from the Bridge Battle.  All of the action was 
concentrated on a limited front while the rest of the army appeared to be 
waiting for its turn to reach the front.  The only real difference seemed 
to be the shape of the obsticles.  Perhaps it would have been difference 
had the 'walls' of the buildings had some substance to them so people 
didn't have a clear view of what was going on on the other side of the 
"walls".   Then  there would have been more of a feeling that the fighting 
was taking place ammid buildings rather than ammid obstacles on an open 
field.

-- Avelina Perceval

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Avelina Perceval                              Ellen Kranzer 
Lieutenant, Carolingian Company of Bowmen     18 Riverdale Street
Barony of Carolingia                          Allston, MA 02134
East Kingdom                                  h:617-254-0057, 
w:617-495-5255
(email: ekranzer@harvard.edu or ccrazy@athena.mit.edu)
From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Schtik (was Re: Grand Pennsic)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:01:54 EDT

mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:

> The more I think about it, the more I like that idea: Call the War settled,
> and establish a Fair to commemorate the lasting peace.  Use a pageant based
> on the War ceremonies to recall ancient glories, without introducing new
> rancor.  
> 
> ===========================================================================
> Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com


So, when do we attack the West, and whose banner goes first?

Graydon

        Graydon the Curious         /graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca
  Skraeling Althing, EAldormere, MK / "Nihil est quin obsisti possit"
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Combat Archery
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <714272423.F00014@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
>krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers) writes:
>
>KR> The archer stands all of 3 feet away and shoots it.
>
>Is 3 feet considered the minimum combat archery distance?  If not, then this
>ignores the effects of air resistance, which is considerable with marshmallow
>heads, golf tubes, etc.  True, it errs on the side of safety, but maybe by a
>large amount anyway.  It could be compensated for somewhat, but the effects
>vary widely, so compensation would be rather difficult to figure correctly.

The minimum distance for combat archery is 15 feet.  The differences
in loss between 3 feet and 15 feet shouldn't be *too* great.  In any
case, since one is looking for *standards* data, the distance is
irrelevant, as long as all tests are done at the same distance.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: clueless@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Huh?)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Registering w/ SCA
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:02:37 GMT
Reply-To: clueless@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Huh?)
Distribution: austin
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: clueless@doc.cc.utexas.edu

Hello folks !

    I would like some info on 1) the local Austin group
                              2) Registering w/ SCA
                              3) Starting up a new group ("House" isn't it?)

Please e-mail me at:   clueless@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Thanks,

Sean

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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Passing through Toronto
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:18:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I will be in Toronto on sept 25 26 27 28

I would be interested in attending any fighting practices
or tournements taking place at that time.

Please email me if you have any info I could use...I'm a real
fighting addict, and I *love* to fight new faces, new styles.

Carolus (Mediocris) Malvoix
Montengarde, An Tir
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
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