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From: fauvel@tesecau.iro.umontreal.ca (Sylvain Fauvel)
Subject: Re: Hunting
Keywords: hunt hunting boomerang
Organization: Universite de Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:49:58 GMT

In article <BzMCFu.AF5@boi.hp.com> bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm) writes:
>I am curious to know if, given the history of boomerangs, anyone reading this
>group has done any hunting with a rang?  I would be interested in hearing
>about your experiences, techniques, and 'rangs used.
>
>My guess is that the 'rang would have to be a heavier one than the usual one
>most netters have.  Perhaps I am wrong?  I know there are accuracy contests
>in the tournaments.  Is this at a paper target or is it just the accuracy of
>the return that is contested?  Or both?  It seems that this is a contest that
>might be based on the hunting heritage of the rang.  Am I right?

	Few years back i tried to make my first boomerang and ended up
	with a real killer.  It was heavy and had a very stable flight.
	It turned a bit, like any boom, but could be aimed with good
	precision and flew much farter than a simple stick.  

		I can't remember where but i have read something on
	huntimg booms.  They are indeed large and heavy.  Hope this helps.
>
>Also, everyone is aware (I THINK) of the use of 'rangs by the Australian
>aborigines.  Any one got any information, book titles, etc. on the North
>American Indian's use of the 'rang?  I have heard second hand about their
>possible use, but seem to have trouble getting concrete leads.  I will be
>talking to someone over the next few days about this, but any help or leads
>you netters can provide would be much appreciated.
>
>Best regards & many happy returns!
>Bill Blohm
>bblohm@hpbs1686.boi.hp.com
>


Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: jpasini@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (Pasini Krug Jose Miguel)
Subject: Re: Hunting
Originator: jpasini@araucaria
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:24:16 GMT
Distribution: world 
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile
Keywords: hunt hunting boomerang

In article <1992Dec22.184958.9721@IRO.UMontreal.CA> fauvel@tesecau.iro.umontreal.ca (Sylvain Fauvel) writes:
>
>	Few years back i tried to make my first boomerang and ended up
>	with a real killer.  It was heavy and had a very stable flight.
>	It turned a bit, like any boom, but could be aimed with good
>	precision and flew much farter than a simple stick.  

	I'd be pleased if you e-mail and tell me how did you make your 'rang. I'm
interested in making one and want to know the process and materials needed.
Thanks in advance,
							Dagan.
From: gregl@lestat.Corp.Sun.COM (Gregory Layer)
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
Subject: Re: Wanted: Facts!
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:48:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gregl@lestat.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: lestat.corp.sun.com


]In article <Bz2vC0.Izo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
]>Anyone know ANYTHING about booeranging?  I would like to know
]>about it and stuff.  
]>
]
]     Please post anything that you know about boomerangs.  I will appreciate
]it.
]
]     Thanks.
]
]-- 
]                                         +---------------------------------+
]  +-----------------------------------+ /      Not a net.personality      /
] /   // Mr. Tickle Monster   // Amiga ++---------------------------------+
]|  \X/   W. David Rohwer   \X/  3000  /  Internet: rohwerwd@netcom.COM  /
]+------------------------------------+---------------------------------+




Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: emp@xgml.com (Eric Promislow)
Subject: 1993 World Boomerang Chapionships Cancelled
Organization: Exoterica Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:27:04 GMT


  Cancel your travel plans, everyone.  Thanks to the narrow-mindedness
of a local county council, there won't be an international tournament
this year.

  I just got the news last week in the latest Distance magazine, put
out by Stephane Margeurite in Montreal.  Essentially, what happened is
that the people who are actually going to be running the tournament
visited the proposed site in Chatham, Ontario, and determined that it
was far too small to hold an international tournament.  They spent
some time scouting the area for alternate sites, and found two owned
by the city of Chatham that would have been satisfactory, but wouldn't
be available in April.  Then they found a perfect field, measuring
something like 350 by 150 meters.  This field is owned by the County
of Kent, not Chatham.  And the county directors, in their much vaunted
Southern Ontario wisdom (read Robertson Davies or John Kenneth
Galbraith's personal accounts of the region for more info about the
good upright denizens of Canada's bible belt), wouldn't allow the use
of the field.  I don't have any quotes, but they said the competitors
would destroy the field and molest the local children.

  The local newspaper published an editorial thanking the directors
for their great sagacity.  After all, during boom times, who needs to
worry about stuff like tourism to stimulate the economy?  (A major GM
plant not too far from the area is shutting down, and seeing how
tobacco is a major crop in the region, I don't see much of a future
there either.)

  I intend on sending a letter on company letterhead to the Kent
County Council lambasting them for their stupidity.  I would hope
other people reading this who wish to advance boomeranging do so as
well.  I admit that I have more than a passing interest, since I was
hoping to compete in Chatham.
-- 
-- Eric Promislow--emp@xgml.com--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
From: bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Hunting
Summary: Has anyone hunted?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:57:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Keywords: hunt hunting boomerang

I am curious to know if, given the history of boomerangs, anyone reading this
group has done any hunting with a rang?  I would be interested in hearing
about your experiences, techniques, and 'rangs used.

My guess is that the 'rang would have to be a heavier one than the usual one
most netters have.  Perhaps I am wrong?  I know there are accuracy contests
in the tournaments.  Is this at a paper target or is it just the accuracy of
the return that is contested?  Or both?  It seems that this is a contest that
might be based on the hunting heritage of the rang.  Am I right?

Also, everyone is aware (I THINK) of the use of 'rangs by the Australian
aborigines.  Any one got any information, book titles, etc. on the North
American Indian's use of the 'rang?  I have heard second hand about their
possible use, but seem to have trouble getting concrete leads.  I will be
talking to someone over the next few days about this, but any help or leads
you netters can provide would be much appreciated.

Best regards & many happy returns!
Bill Blohm
bblohm@hpbs1686.boi.hp.com
From: gregl@lestat.Corp.Sun.COM (Gregory Layer)
Newsgroups: alt.boomerang
Subject: boomerang simulation
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:48:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gregl@lestat.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: lestat.corp.sun.com


Has anyone out there written any boomerang simulation software??


greg

Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
From: hutruc@vnis.uucp (Hu+ Tru'c )
Subject: Testing
Organization: VNIS
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:31:42 GMT

Testing form hutruc@vnis

Hu+ Tru'c

Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
From: tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Re : History lessons
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:47:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.vietnamese
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA


  I sympathize with Kim and others who had suffered greatly at the
  hands of CSVN.  I understand the pain and angers that they felt.
  I have lost many loved ones to the hands of CSVN and have seen
  first hands the things they done to my relatives.

  Please do not misunderstand me when I say that we must learn from
  the past and to let go of all the negative emotions.  I am not asking
  anyone to deny that these things happened.  Nor am I asking them to
  simply forget it just like that.  What I am asking is for everyone
  to let the healing begin.  Remember the pain and sufferings, but do
  not let the angers and hatred consumed you.  Revenge will make you
  feel good, but it does not bring back what was lost and gone.


In article <1992Dec27.012109.20163@emr1.emr.ca> knguyen@emr1.emr.ca (Kim Nguyen) writes:
> ........deleted.........
>
>Hatred and bitterness ? To somebody else, maybe. To me, nope ! I did not 
>have any *bloody debt* with them, but one thing I know for sure that 
>THEY DID LIE AND THEY WILL LIE. My sentiment is about great disappointment
>in that regime more than bitterness and hatred.
>
>How can we expect any *positive and bright future* from a group of 
>liers ? I don't agree with you about using *hatred and bitterness*
>rhetoric. This rhetoric can allure the Vietnamese youngsters, but to
>all adults, it makes them sad. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CURRENT RHETORIC
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>I AM FED UP TO HEAR. Please create another better and convincing one. 

  Listen to yourself and see what kind of anger and hatred that is
  coming out of you.  It seethes and boils at the surface.  As long
  as you allow it to control all you do, you will have a hard time
  using logical thinking.

  Do you claim then to speak for "all adults?"  Is this really how
  "all adults" feel?  So unforgiving, hard, and full of angers.

  If I did not know any better, I would have thought that you have
  already given up.  According to you, no matter what you do, you
  will always be deceived by the communist government.  You have lost
  the battle and will always lose the battle - that seem to be your
  message.  Is this what you are saying?

Regards,
Tin Le
-- 
.----------------------------------------------------------------------
. Tin Le                  | Work Internet: tin@smsc.Sony.COM
. Sony Microsystems       |        or  tin@szebra.Saigon.COM
. Office: (408) 944-4157  |
Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
From: calvin@dinkum.mti.sgi.com (Calvin H. Vu)
Subject: Re: Ngo-Dinh-Diem : another perspective
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 03:03:08 GMT

In <C03634.2F4@Saigon.COM> CNguyen.osbu_north@xerox.com writes:

>And please cut out this kind of crab next time:
	I agree with Cuong.  Cuong only stated opposing facts to some 
    distorted facts posted here, not that he wanted to dig up stories 
    regarding Diem.  If you don't want any disagreements then don't post 
    distorted facts and try to bend history.
	
And this is to the pro-Diem historians:

	The next time you historians make a boohoo about
    how poor Diem got murdered by the treacherous Americans because Diem
    wanted independence from foreign influence please read some history 
    books and see how Diem got into power in the first place.  He surely
    didn't get it from the Vietnamese people by spending all the time
    between Vatican and Washington.  And please read where he 
    got the money and power to buy and/or destroy the opposition (Cao Dai,
    Hoa Hao, VN Quoc Dan Dang, Dai Viet, Binh Xuyen, and finally Buddhists
    when he failed).  All those parties/organizations/religions are
    very anti-Communist but they were seriously weakened during the
    Diem regime so now they are almost non-existent to be able to fight
    the Communists effectively.  And where is Diem's Ca^`n Lao party now ?  
    Is it fighting the Commies ?  Is it a good anti-Communist strategy to
    replace all those parties/religions with the ANTI-COMMUNIST Ca^`n Lao
    party ?  Diem was fighting the Communists when he suppressed VNQDD and
    Hoa Hao ?   Ha ha ha ... what a joke!  

I don't want to go into details how Diem screwed everything up to beyond
repair unless you guys force me to.

- calvin
Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
From: htran@elesium.mitre.org (Hai Tran)
Subject: Re: Re : History lessons
Followup-To: soc.culture.vietnamese
Organization: MITRE Corp., Washington Group, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.043758.10042@emr1.emr.ca> knguyen@emr1.emr.ca (Kim Nguyen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.004711.8137@smsc.sony.com> tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec27.012109.20163@emr1.emr.ca> knguyen@emr1.emr.ca (Kim Nguyen) writes:
>>> ........deleted.........
n>>>
>>In all you talk about angers and forgiving. Forgiving or not, we must go 
>because we cannot live in a new system. Now one can try to do differently
>with what I once confronted with. I hope them best luck.
>                                                         
>Deceit : Have you ever tried to work with them ? Let try it and let me know
>later your experience.                                                                     
>                                                                           
>My message is simple : As repeated in the past, they often use tactics to
>recruit young and successful intellectuals who did not know practically  
>about communists by the banner of patriotism. As young man who must be   
>energetic, ideal and patriotic, they are ready to advance and go into
>their hook. After working with them for a while, this young man would like 
>to get out, but how to do it while keeping being trusted by somebody else.   
>To communists, after using all of young man's zeal, they would throw    
>them away.                                                            
>                                                                    
>I tell my story not to show my suffering.It is not a suffering, it is a
>disappointment and sadness.
>
>I remember once you could not keep your anger, too.
>
>Regards,

	The ultimate decision is to make a choice. As someone once
said, "Communism allows you to have ONLY TWO of the THREE attibutes:
SMART, HONEST, COMMUNIST." We may also choose none of the above.

ciao


Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
From: htran@elesium.mitre.org (Hai Tran)
Subject: Personal Experience after 1975
Organization: MITRE Corp., Washington Group, McLean, VA
Distribution: alt.politics.vietnamese
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:59:42 GMT


	In the spirit of the continuing dialog on the Vietnamese
experience, I suggest that netters who fled the Communists anytime
after 1975 recount personal experiences of life and work under the new
regime. Whenever possible, these experiences should be
compared/contrasted with equivalences in the South Vietnamese society so
that netters who had left before the take-over of the South could
draw their own conclusions.

	I believe that these personal stories not only provide a
perpective in the current discussion about the struggle for Democracy
and Freedom for Vietnam but also serve as historical witness of what
really happended in South Vietnam after the take-over.  The archive
will be useful in providing these items to interested people.


htran@mitre.org
 

Newsgroups: alt.politics.vietnamese
From: ar3@cove.cis.ufl.edu (Aleksander Rapisavljevic)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Croatian dreams
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:03:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.europe.misc
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


In article <1992Dec26.110344.23069@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

[ they = Croatian leadership: ]
>
>Whatever they did, they did very little to get the Serbs in Croatia
>on their side. Instead they, deliberately or by unskillness, alienated
>the their Serbs from a Croatian state.

Although it is true that Tudjmans pre-election campaign brought
out long forbiden simbols of Croatian nationality such as the
flag, checkboard and some national songs, he was also quick
to stress that he will stand for equality for all nationalities
in Croatia. As the result it didn't take long for politicians
addressing the public through media to start using term
"citizens of Croatia" instead of "Croats".  There were also
several Tudjman's personal apeals on Croatian TV (HTV) for
support of Serbian minority and his assurances that his policy
has nothing to do with WWII Ustasha movement. 
    As Mr. Loncaric has pointed out there was some success in
wining the loyalty of Serbian minority, but the root of the
failure came from the fact that Tudjman's economic reform
brought an end to numerous comunist buirocratic institutions
that were staffed mostly by Serbs.  These comunists had
good relations with Belgrade, military, and the rest of the
comunist hierarchy and they were very bitter with reforms.
    World media reporting on Croatian conflict widely
misrepresented the statistics of 600.000 Serbian population
as if all of them were fighting for autonomy. The fact that
the rural and scarcely populated areas where Serbs were
majority in Croatia represents only some 250.000 Serbs
whereas the rest live in biger cities and many joined
Croatian defence effort.
    And finaly if you ask yoursalf where does the military
success of this small group come from: try looking for the
answer in vast military and financial superiority of
the federal government and don't blame it all on what
Tudjman said in his pre-election campaign.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Croatian dreams
Date: 26 Dec 92 10:30:10 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Ana M. Shane (pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu) writes:
>Could you also quote this percentage? (of the Serbian policemen)?
>Also, if they were equal citizens in Croatia, why not be in the
>police force? The Serbian population in Croatia was about 12%.
>How could they have been in the majority, or extremely large percentage
>in the police force?

I seem to recall of having seen a number like 75%.

>No question about it. However, that doesn't prove that Tudjman
>didn't inspire or follow the most right wing Croatian chauvinist groups
>who were very threatening to the Serbian population, so that the
>fears they had were a very fertile soil for the Milosevic propaganda.
>Tudjman didn't do almost anything to prove to the Serbian population
>that they will be secure and equal citizens of Croatia, and Tudjman's
>government as well as the Croatian government before Tudjman was
>elected, didn't stop increasing number of nationalistic "incidents".

You are so right. Now, if only people like Josip Lonaric and others
could open their eyes and realize this.

>And as you also must remember, the disputed areas
>are just the ones where the Serbian population lives (Krajina).

Not really. Aren't there some 100.000 Serbs in Zagreb? (Or at
least used to be. I suspect the number is falling.) And remember
far from all of the occupied areas in Croatia had a Serbian
majority. The main bulk of the fighting concerned areas where
Serbs were not in a majority.

>Wrong. You don't have to have MEANS for war to WANT war. The
>most recent elections in Serbia show that clearly: Albanian
>population didn't vote when they could have changed the
>result in favor of Panic, easily. But, their leaders at the
>moment WANT war, thinking that it will be the only way to get
>what THEY want - secession from Yugoslavia (Serbia).

Here I have to disagree with you on the first. They sure don't
want to stay in Serbia - and one can hardly blame them - but
I'm not sure that they want war. The Albanians in Kosovo has
been surpringly, and admiringly, calm in this mess.

As I wrote in an article yesterday, it is not entirely obvious
that the election of Panic would be the best guarantee for peace
in Kosovo.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Croatian dreams
Date: 26 Dec 92 11:03:44 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Josip Loncaric (josip@eng.umd.edu) writes:
>You said that the Croatian leadership had walked into a trap.   A trap is
>supposed to be completely unexpected but avoidable.  What I'm saying is
>that the Croatian leaders tried very hard to avoid this, but in the end
>found that it was unavoidable.  Thus, it was not a trap, but a canyon
>to go through, as in "between a rock and a hard place".

Whatever they did, they did very little to get the Serbs in Croatia
on their side. Instead they, deliberately or by unskillness, alienated
the their Serbs from a Croatian state.

>A Wolf came upon a Lamb straying from the flock and felt reluctance
>...
>Erland would like Croatia to be the Lamb.  The moral of this story is
>"don't be the Lamb."  Bosnia-Herzegovina had the misfortune of finding
>out what it's like to be the Lamb.  The trouble is, Erland and many
>other observers had bought the Wolf's (Serbs') story.

Being innocent lamb is not an excuse for being stupid. As I've said,
if I cross the street on green light, but is run owner by car driver
who ignores his red light, the fault is his and only his. But never-
theless I could have avoided the accident. And I am not less dead be-
cause I'm innocent.

The lamb should have stayed with the flock. Croatia and B-H shold have 
analysed the consequences of their plans before going ahead.

Just because Milosevic, Karadzic, Arkan etc are the worst crooks in
this sad affair, does not mean that whatever Croatian and Muslims
do, it is the right thing. Croatian and Muslim leaders have made many
severe mistakes in this tragic story, and their "innocence" does not
protect them.

What is so depressing with reading s.c.yu & co is that so many
Serbo-Croat posters only can find the fault with the other side.
If everyone would concentrate on the mistakes committed by their
own side, this would be a much more constructive place.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: burchil@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Andrew Burchill)
Subject: Looking for information on the EC available on the internet.
Summary: I am looking for info on the EC over the internet.
Keywords: EC internet European Community Trading
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:13:18 GMT

I am looking for information on the new EC and the countries involved.
Anything over the internet would be prefered, but other information
would also be appreciated.
  Please mail me directly, or post back here.
  Charles Burchill
  <burchil@ccu.umanitoba.ca>

Thank you.
cb
-- 
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<burchil@ccu.umanitoba.ca>                      _-\_<,   / / 
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada       (*)/'(*)/  /  
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