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From: n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:29:08 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

Well... the subject title was looking pretty good... But so much for an 
intellegent text to read...

Oh well can't have everything. :)

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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: tdowling@lib.washington.edu (Thomas Dowling)
Subject: Re: Backward Masking
Organization: University of Washington Libraries
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:25:11 GMT


In article <ROLFL.92Apr9072117@karl.uio.no>, rolfl@karl.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) writes:
> So far as backward masking goes: There's still the problem: Does it work?
> Is it possible to _change_people's_minds_ using BM?
> 
> Well, there's been done some research on subliminal messages, ie.
> (usually) visual messages that are displayed so fast that you're not aware
> you've seen them.
> 
> These messages have some effect on monopolistic competition. They can't
> make you buy soda pop, but they can direct your choice of brand if you
> were already going to buy...
> 
> I haven't got any sources though, this is what I heard at a lecture. 
> 

The current issue of _Skeptical Inquirer_ includes a handful of
articles on subliminal pursuasion, and previous issues have
touched a number of times on the back-masking brouhaha.  Their
articles are unanimous in stressing that there has been no
empirical support for either technique.

BTW, one of the current articles points out that the man who
originated the often-quoted drive-in theater experiment (where
he flashed "Buy Popcorn" and "Drink Coke" and concession sales
supposedly went up) later admitted that he had no solid evidence
and that he had been trying to pump up business for his failing
advertising agency.  Moral: don't believe everything you hear at
lectures.

Thomas Dowling
University of Washington Libraries
standard disclaimers blah blah blah, etc.
From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Even More Satan Jokes!
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:50:23 GMT
Reply-To: tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney)
Organization: Dimpled Rotundas 'R' Us

>>Refrain from making jokes about Christ (susej).

In article <MRj+l-#@engin.umich.edu> hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert)
writes:
>But why? Christ is so much fun to poke fun.  
>
>Know why he can't eat M&M's?
>
>Keep falling through the holes in his hands.

What did Satan say to Salome as she danced wanton in a pit of lava,
her corrupt flesh melting from her maggot-bitten hands?

"Ooh baby, you're so HOT!"

You're right, Jesus is a funnier target.  Oh well.
-- 
Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com

"He goes on about the wailing and gnashing of teeth.  It comes in one
 verse after another, and it is quite manifest to the reader that there
 is a certain pleasure in contemplating the wailing and gnashing of
 teeth, or else it would not occur so often."
	-- Bertrand Russell, "Why I Am Not a Christian"
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: a909062@tiuk.ti.com (Professor Yaffel)
Subject: Satan was a weenie
Reply-To: a909062@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Simons Cheese Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:00:40 GMT

In article 4061@acsu.buffalo.edu, v116hgth@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Darmody) writes:
>
>
>You guys have a lot to learn about reality. Jesus is lord and you all
>are damned to hell. I hope you and your children rot and burn for eternity.

>---jules
>
>
Sorry to invade this Soc. . . (being a Christian and all that). I would just like to
say that this attitude SUCKS. Being a Christian you should feel sorry that these
people are going to hell, not think it is a great thing.

The line :
> I hope you and your children rot and burn for eternity.

Makes you them as bad as them, YES ?


Never mind, there is all hope for us all.

Sorry for the invading, but I like to have my 10c worth.

Laters . . . . Prof Yaff


Xref: sparky alt.satanism:1307 talk.religion.misc:6460
Organization: Brigham Young University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 18:27:37 MDT
From: J MICHAEL ALLEN <HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
 <92096.212746HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET> <ku49krINNqp0@aludra.usc.edu>
 <1992Apr8.151415.21522@panix.com>


      >>As a Satanist, you can accept whatever image appeals to you most.  What
is
>>important is the philosophies which have stemmed the movement.  Images are
>all
>>secondary at most.
>
>>Did I forget anything?
>
>
>I agree wholeheartedly. Philosophy is the important thing. The Christians
>would like to argue over and over about Satan, not thinking that perhaps
>we don't see "Satan" as being what they think it is. OR if they do
>recognize that, they say that it doesn't matter, that it's enough to
>send us to "hell" anyway. <yawn>
>
>Imagery is very important, but it's a *personal* thing. Then again, on
>a societal level you want symbology that is accurate, and Satan has proved
>time and again to be exactly that. And I mean that on numerous levels.

Actually, this is more or less what I thought (when I gave it a little more
thought).  Maybe I didn't need to ask the question in the first place, then,
but I am happy to have the clarification nonetheless.
From: n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Keywords: Twit, idiot, fool, moron, turkey, illiterate, bozo, mutton-head
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:29:44 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown) writes:

>Let's all hear it for coherent, well-thought-out arguments presented
>in a literate, convincing fashion.

Hear Hear!


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From: TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Something to ponder...
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:40:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92097.114021TJK115
Organization: Penn State University

Did anybody ever check out the christian center on net?
(Soc.religion.christian)  If so did you ever ask yourself
why do they monitor it?  Hmmmmmm...could it be they don't
want Satanists and other netpeople they enjoy annoying to
come down and annoy the hell out themselves?  So much for
open-minded conversations there.  What a fuckin' bunch of
hypocrites.

--the mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night
Suaron
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:22:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: LMSC5.92105.22815.J024330
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.



It's too bad you're so full of hate.



------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: 901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca (Di Dio)
Subject: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists

I've read one version of the Satanic Bible by Anton.And some other book
of the raising of the dead called Necromicon.They were interesting,but
fuck how can you believe any of that bulshit.Especially the fuckiing
bible,for all you christians,god can suck my dick.
 I don't believe in Satan or god,but the Satanic bible is alot more
realistic.I mean if you alway treat someone the way you would like them to treat
do it again ,I fogive you and all the other shit,he's just do it again.
 I also think that those fucking priests are just a bunch of fucking leaches
.You see them asking for money all the fucking time,who the fuck do you think
you are yopu buch of low lifes,get a fucking jog!!!!
Well that's enough on my opion,I don't want to get to carried away.
 And for Satanism,well I don't see anything wrong with it at all,there
may be no such thing as either god but atleast the satanist mean what they say,
you fuckin Crister's tell everyone to live in poverty it's the way of the lord
,so can I have a new car and house curtisy of the church funds and goverment tax
 Fuck I guess I'm finding it hard to get off the subject of Christian,I
think it's because I live with three of them in a house,and they have this
problem that they are always right because god is with them.
Well fuck you,you bunch of fucking simple minded weirdo's
And that goes for you to Mr. CHristain Society asshole,that's a personal
boys'he'll know who he is.

Well there is only one more word of the day I guess

HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL



SATAN
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.judaism,alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: cosc143u@rosie.uh.edu (91F9774)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice (was: Re: Raising Satanic children)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:08:00 GMT

In article <joshua.702610548@coombs>, joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes...
>n9146269@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings) writes:
> 
>>What most people associate with Satanism is, well alot of bullshit...
>> (Oh mighty bandwidth: Take this sacrifice of extraneous message)
>and when the romans destroyed that (as part of their suppression 
>of the rebellion of the late 60's AD) there was no religiously
>acceptable place left to perform these sacrifices. modern jews
>who wish to rebuild the temple in jerusalem (admittedly a rather 
>loony bunch) will tell you that when the temple is rebuilt they
>will reinstitute the traditional system.
> 
Perhaps others would have the specific references but I've seen on TV a 
few times that they have the goats ready to go.  Seems to me like it was 
a specific breed too.  Isn't rebuilding the Temple supposed to be one of 
the things that has to happen before the world can end? (side note...)
---
Stephen McLeod       Not particularly religious.
The Eternal Student
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: caaldrid@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS A ALDRIDGE)
Subject: Satanic morality
Reply-To: caaldrid@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS A ALDRIDGE)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:13:35 GMT

Ques: If a satanist REALLY wants to kill someone, I mean really loathes
somebody
and desires to have him/her extinguished, is it not, under the satanic 
belief system as well as purely evolutionary, naturalistic outlook on
the
beginnings and development of life, is it not, under these beliefs
permissible,
(excuse me, permission implies an authority), is it not to be expected,
normal or accepted that the said satanist will swiftly and gleefully
slay the
other? Of course, I am assuming that all possibility of being punished
by any
governmental authorities has been removed.  So, if there is no fear of
punishment,
or being found out and there is no higher god than oneself, why not
murder
if it would satisfy so strong a craving?

This may be a banal or tiresome question for a truly enlightened (endarkened? -
from the post on LIGHT vs. DARK I don't know which is preferred) satanist, 
but I am curious as to how one would address this. 

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Organization: Liebe Company
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:37:43 GMT

901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca (Di Dio) writes:

>I've read one version of the Satanic Bible by Anton.And some other book
>of the raising of the dead called Necromicon.They were interesting,but 
>fuck how can you believe any of that bulshit.Especially the fuckiing
>bible,for all you christians,god can suck my dick.
> I don't believe in Satan or god,but the Satanic bible is alot more
>realistic.I mean if you alway treat someone the way you would like them to treat you ,well if he stabs you in the back,and you tell him,oh please don't
>do it again ,I fogive you and all the other shit,he's just do it again.
> I also think that those fucking priests are just a bunch of fucking leaches
>.You see them asking for money all the fucking time,who the fuck do you think
>you are yopu buch of low lifes,get a fucking jog!!!!
>Well that's enough on my opion,I don't want to get to carried away.
> And for Satanism,well I don't see anything wrong with it at all,there
>may be no such thing as either god but atleast the satanist mean what they say,
>you fuckin Crister's tell everyone to live in poverty it's the way of the lord
>,so can I have a new car and house curtisy of the church funds and goverment taxs please.Well if I has in charge,I'd tell you where to get you money.
> Fuck I guess I'm finding it hard to get off the subject of Christian,I
>think it's because I live with three of them in a house,and they have this
>problem that they are always right because god is with them.
>Well fuck you,you bunch of fucking simple minded weirdo's
>And that goes for you to Mr. CHristain Society asshole,that's a personal
>boys'he'll know who he is.

>Well there is only one more word of the day I guess

>HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL   

>SATAN

That post speaks for itself.  Thanks for the intellectual viewpoint.

Kevin Brawley
From: hrtcu@usho52.hou281.chevron.com (R.T.Cutler)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:06:13 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <Ids0TEO00awS90149b@andrew.cmu.edu> cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
>is that it's just a different path from theirs. Christians are naturally
>intolerant of any path other than their own (Commandment #1 mandates
>this), so they dutifully make it look like we're some kind of deviants
>from their perfect norm.
>
>________________

Excuse me, folks -- I'm not a super expert and I wouldn't want to 
pretend to speak for all of Christianity -- but my understanding is that
Commandment #1, as articulated by J.C. himself in answer to a query 
about what the most important commandments are -- commandment #1 is
"Love thy neighbor as thyself".  I honestly think that I'm on pretty
solid ground here, and that this reasonably characterizes the fundamental
Christian philosophy.  (Note that I am not claiming that it accurately
characterizes the actions and attitudes of all those people and 
organizations that call themselves Christian).  

As far as I'm concerned, that means that the Christian viewpoint is
that it is more important to accept you as a person, including your
spiritual values, than to try to tell you what to think.  

Just my $0.02.2
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 12:45:22 EDT
From: <MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Something to ponder...

In article <92097.114021TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>, <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>Did anybody ever check out the christian center on net?
>(Soc.religion.christian)  If so did you ever ask yourself
>why do they monitor it?  Hmmmmmm...could it be they don't
>want Satanists and other netpeople they enjoy annoying to
>come down and annoy the hell out themselves?  So much for
>open-minded conversations there.  What a fuckin' bunch of
>hypocrites.

Well, I can get a post through there occasionally, although most of them
are not posted for reasons like "too many quotes".
Only problem is, they usually drown out my posts with bible quotes. Kind of
like in "Heathers" when she was yelling "mary had a little lamb".

>
>--the mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night
>Suaron

Martin Schulte
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
From: n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings)
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:30:05 GMT

brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason Brantigan) writes:

>As a Satanist, you can accept whatever image appeals to you most.  What is 
>important is the philosophies which have stemmed the movement.  Images are all
>secondary at most.  

>Did I forget anything?

No you didn't forget anything, in fact that was crystal clear... Beautiful.



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From: jon@MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Phil Donahue - Proctor & Gamble - Satan Worship
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:45:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr15.234554.6982
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Originator: jon@cyclone


In article <2090@cronos.metaphor.com>, ryder@cichlid.metaphor.com (Rick Ryder) writes:
> Well, my girlfriend wanted me to ask the net if anyone watched an installment
> of Phil Donahue recently where a top officer of Proctor and Gamble admitted
> to some type of affiliation with groups that did satan worship. I'm looking
> for the details of the interview, and any background information that may
> be helpful in describing the situation. Any and all details are welcome.
> 
> Please email information (posting is ok, however, my newsfeed has been VERY
> flaky of late). Thanks! :)
> 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rick Ryder                                      ryder@metaphor.com
> Metaphor Computer Systems                       Phone: (415) 961-3620 x447
> 1965 Charleston Rd.                             FAX:   (415) 966-1637
> Mountain View, CA  94043-1293

Sorry about this cross-post, but I just HAD to!
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.judaism,alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Delbert)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:06:42 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

juncewic@tuna.cis.ohio-state.edu (thomas michael juncewicz) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.153303.26852@sun!kla> kla!zardoz@sun.com (Phillip Wayne) writes:
>>
>>Just a (small) correction. The name apparently comes from about 200-100BC, 
>>from a group called the Essenes. The Shaitan (adversary) was the leader of
>>a heavenly revolt, when the sons of light revolted against the sons of 
>>darkness. Unfortunately, the sons of darkness won, and the sons of light
>>were thrown out of heaven to land on their rumps in a garbage pit (yes,
>>take that literally) called Gehenna.
>>
>>The current crop, according to this legend, "which art in heaven" are,
>>indeed, the sons of darkness.
>>
>>Sort of explains a lot, doesn't it?
>>

>So, does this mean that certain(or most) satanists believe that God is the "evil" 
>one and that satan is the truly good entity that was wrongfully chucked outta 
>heaven?  Or was that post just meant to clarify the origin of satan's name?

I think God is evil. But I'm not a practicing satanist. Although I do
quite like him...

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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne)
Subject: Re: Even More Satan Jokes!
Reply-To: pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:55:52 GMT

In article <920406052101_70253.2621_CHC66-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris Colvin) writes:
>
>Though you're misguided, God still loves you, and there's still time
>for you.
>
>Love and peace to you all.
>
>
>Chris  :-)
>

will you damn people ever leave us the fuck alone with your
hypocritical, self-righteous bullshit. 
fine, your all right, we're all going to burn in
hell while you r in heaven having fun. 
so why don't you just get the fuck off of our newsgroup


Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Satanisms churches
Date: 05 Apr 92 21:27:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: alt.satanism

In article <29MAR199222105127@gamma.is.tcu.edu> djohnson@gamma.is.tcu.edu (Darryl Johnson) writes:
>But that keeps both the Christians and the Satanists busy on here. so I
>guess it all works out for the best.

Hmmm...  We (satanists) see in the world around us, a multitude of christian
sects, and a few sects within each of the Jewish, moslem, buddhist, and hidi
faiths.

We also suffer from this ourselves.  Each of us likely claims that s/he
follows the "one true satanic faith".

This is something which should not be encouraged.

The division of the cristian faiths is what has kept them from totally
overrunning the world.

Why must we as satanists fall into the same trap as the christians in
refusing to work together for our goals?

Tim
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIAN GOD!
Date: 05 Apr 92 21:46:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: alt.satanism

In article <92090.102819MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>And it's disappointing that god can't do anything personally like he always
>did in the bible. Why doesn't he do that sort of stuff anymore? It doesn't
>help that he's never around.

This is a rather interesting point.  Where *is* god?  He used to be around,
but he isn't anymore.  Maybe Neitzsche was right:  God is dead.

>>"he chose to die for our sins" (j-bing)

I doesn't really matter what jesus wanted.  The romans stapled him up.  The
romans cause his death.  Saying "he chose to die for our sins" is poop.  He
choose not to fight for his life.  He committed suicide.

>I'm no satanist.

Why not?

>Sheesh, it's not as if I'm a Martian or something--"whatever you are."
>You christians seem to be working on that prospect--eliminating choice of
>religious persuasion. If you take hold here, I'll move to Australia or
>something and obtain some armaments.

Not just choice of religious persuasion, but any choice.  The reason so much
of their religion is based on faith, is to keep them from questioning the
realities of the world.  "You dare *question* the BOOK?!?  That is a grave
sin indeed!"  You are now supposed to act contrite and beg forgiveness for
ever questioning the *control* the priest has over you!

That's all it's about.  Control.  The priests control the masses, the men
control the women.  That's the sum total of the effect of the bible.  It's
not what the bible presents itself as, but it's the reality that mortal man
dare not question, lest he sin...

>Chew on that.

Why waste your breath.  Ms. Bing is so locked up in her denial of reality
that she'll never see what's really in front of her.  She'll always believe
that something else is there, something that is simple enough she can cope
with or powerful enough she can submit to.

Jesus Christ is the god of lemmings with fangs.

Tim
From: joshua@wiretap.wiretap.Spies.COM (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Joshua, are you there?  (Was Re: Jesus Jokes)
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:20:25 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
In-reply-to: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM's message of 6 Apr 92 13:50:24 GMT


yes I'm here. and I see the jesus jokes.

you are still not getting my point.

this is alt.satanism. jesus jokes are perfectly acceptable here as they
would not be on (say) soc.religion.christin or some such.

christian proselytization is not socially acceptable here, though there
are any number of other newsgroups on which it is.

comprende?

josh