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From: pugh@pico.math.ucla.edu (David Pugh)
Subject: Re: Slope???
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:22:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.201555.5235@cs.tulane.edu> rsmith@goose.age.lsu.edu (Rhett Smith) writes:
>What is the slope of a course?  How or where do you find out what the slope
>of a cource is?  Please excuse this rookie question.
>Thanks,
>Rhett
>
>-- 
The slope is some measure of how difficult a course is. It is used in
evaluating your handicap. Your course handicap is given by

         handicap index * slope rating/113

where handicap index is your handicap in general. The higher the slope
rating, the more strokes you get.

The slope is nearly always on the scorecard.

David
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: The Feel of Forged (w
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rose.1992Nov10.180913.14122
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Date Entered: 11-10-92 12:51
"F> From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
"F> Subject: Re: The Feel of Forged (was: high end iron selection)
"F> In-Reply-To: <1dl0vlINNk9d@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>

stuff deleted........

"F> I'd bet would be like other cavity backs, providing a large sweet
"F> spot and little feedback.  I don't know of one right off hand,
"F> but I would not be surprised to find a cast "blade" on the
"F> market which is almnost impossible to hit. 8^) 
"F> 

The most difficult club to hit consistenly that I've tried is the 
Accuform blades. Mind you I played one round with them and it did 
start snowing!!!
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From: mibrunou@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Myrtle Beach Area in January
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:31:18 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland


I'm going to go to the Myrtle Beach area in the beginning of January for 
a week or two and I'd like to play a lot of cheap but interesting golf then.

I have few questions about the area:

1) The Weather:   Is it cold or warm there in January?
                  Any rain?
                  What about temperatures?

2) Golf Packages: Any cheap bed & golf packages?
                  Any cheap but good golf courses?
                  
3) Airport:       Which is the nearest airport?

4) Courses:       What is the condition of the courses in the area?
                  Any MUST PLAY courses?

I have heard that there are some really low-priced hotel packages and they
give your green-fee-money back if the weather isn't good!
Has anyone heard about something like that??

And if Myrtle Beach is not the right (and cheap) place to go in January,
where should I go?
Any place where I can practise and play efficiently will do fine.



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From: yu@pyramid.COM (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Balata Balls
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:32:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <1992Nov6.135552.1006@altair.selu.edu>, zba@altair.selu.edu (Brian Acosta) writes:
|> In article <15582@chalmers.se>, olof@tfd.chalmers.se (olof daunius) writes:
|> > that pro's can't _feel the difference between a ordinary two-piece
|> > ball and a balata three-piece ball.
|> 
|> I cant believe that you would say that those sorry little two piece rocks could 
|> compare to the feel of a balata ball.  Which side of the club do you strike
|> the ball with?  Hint -- Its the side thats flat with grooves.
|> 

I read the same article on golf digest too.
It was just like the test between the old coke and new coke.
Those who insisted there is a difference could not distinguish them.

|> > Olof Daunius: olof@tfd.chalmers.se
|> > Who plays forged irons, because he likes the look of them :-)
|> 
|> Brian Acosta                      Who plays with balata balls, because
|> Systems Programmer                coated rocks suck.
|> Southeastern LA University
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From: PANU@vm.acs.unt.edu (Panu Sittiwong)
Subject: Re: Woods by Golfsmith
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:47:15 GMT

In article <1dc5qpINNd0p@agate.berkeley.edu>
glenn@voyager.Berkeley.EDU (Glenn D. Adams) writes:
 
>
>   Does anyone have experience with the fully assembled(*) oversized woods
>offered in the current Golfsmith catalog?   I'm specifically interested
>in the Kevlar Turbo, Big Gun, 747XL and Grey Hawk models.
>
>   A little background:  I took up golf less than 1 year ago.  My swing
>tempo (I'm clocked at about 75mph on the swing analyzer), and reliability are
>less than they need to be to play good golf.  I expect both to improve,
>however, as I practice regularly (at once a week) and will take lessons in
>the near future.
>
>/glenn
>
>(*) I have a lot of respect for those who assemble their own clubs.  I don't
>have the equipment/facilities to pursue this option.
>
I had put together two of the above clubs from Golfsmith, The Big Gun and
747XL.  The Big Gun is a bit easier to put together than the later.  I found
out that the hosel for the 747XL was a bit difficult to penetrate and I have
to ream out the hosel a bit with a long drill bit.
 
In term of performance, the Big Gun gives me more distance but less control.
My clubhead speed is about 90 mph with the best result come at 92 mph.
 
With the background you provided, the 747XL may help you to increase your
club head speed since it is about 10 grams lighter than the Big Gun (195 to
205).  If you select either Aldila Low Torque or True Temper EI-70, both
have a raw weight about ~78 gr, you will have a real light club which will
help you generate more clubhead speed.
 
Putting the club together is a lot easier than you think, and it does not
need any special tool.  All you need are:
    1. A Hacksaw for cutting the shaft.
    2. A drill bit in case you need to ream out the hosel.
    3. A knife or fine sand paper for preping the shaft tip.
 
If you want to do it yourself, you probably can order the driver kit from
Golfsmith which will have everythink you need minus tools.
 
Panu Sittiwong                                      PANU@untvm1
Academic Computing Services                         PANU@unt.edu
University of North Texas
Denton, Texas 76205
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Heart & Sole, by D. Sole
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:00:49 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Can anyone tell me what David Sole has actually said in his book?  I remember
a while ago on Rugby Special they were asking Jef Probyn what he thought
of the comments but they didn't say what they were.  I can make a good 
guess but wondered if anyone actually knows.  Apparently extracts from the 
book were written in a Scottish paper.  I also read a quote from Ian 
McGeechan saying something along the lines that negative comments weren't
good for the game.  Hmmm.  What did David have to say?

Cheers,
Graham

--
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grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard, Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 1HN, England
From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:53:42 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
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Calum Gordon (calum@ivy.clu.cf.ac.uk) wrote:
>In article <BxGpI0.GxC@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:
>
>>  tackled by Strauss, the flanker, but why didn't Heslop kick ahead?  Another
>>  incident had SA attacking down the left wing when the SA winger shrugged of
>>  Heslop and left him tackling thin air.  Gerber exchanged passes with the
>>  winger before going over for a try.
>
>Yes Heslop played a 'mare. Can't understand why England still favour
>him after France last year. BTW, it was the winger (D'Olivia or
           ^^^^^^
I have not forgiven him for throwing himself into Champ's arms and headbutting
Blanco's fists ;-).

>something?) who exchanged passes with Gerber before going over for a
>try. Gerber didn't manage to maintain his try-a-game record.
>Just a small point ...

I don't know why Heslop has been in favour either but for a while the 
position seemed to be between him and Oti, both of whom I don't rate as
highly as other England players.  IIRR, Oti was the weak link (besides Hill)
against the NZers in the opening game of the WC.

Gerber is certainly a play-maker for the SA's, and so too are most of their
backs.  It will be a very interesting encounter, England to win after a
shakey first 15/20 mins. 

--
Graham Cutting
grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard, Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 1HN, England
From: bruce@siesoft.co.uk (Bruce Beadle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: England B & Div Teams
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:39:32 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
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grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting) writes:
: 
: England B v. South Africa (14 Nov 92)
                             ^^^^^^
  I think you'll find the B international is on the 7th, the full
  international is on the 14th. :-) 

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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: England Team for SA Test (14th Nov)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:57:12 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

England team for South Africa Test 14th Nov, announced 8th Nov. 

Webb (Bath)			
Hunter (Northampton)	
Underwood, T (Leicester)
Carling (Harlequins)	
Guscott (Bath)		
Andrew (Toulouse)	
Morris (Orrell) 	

Leonard (Harlequins)
Ubogu (Bath)
Moore (Harlequins)
Bayfield (Northampton)
Dooley (Preston Grasshoppers)
Winterbottom (Harlequins)
Clarke (Bath)
Teague (Mosely)

Good to see Clarke getting his chance in the full England team.  Dean Richards,
great player that he is (has been?) doesn't seem as suited to the new laws as
Clarke.  Ubogo has knocked Probyn out of his test place, and I must confess
from my England B v SA brain-dump, I had forgotten that he was playing.  It
seems as thought Teague has been added to balance the number of caps in the
pack even though he hasn't played an international since the World Cup final.
I will be interesting to see how he copes with the pace, and I hope he is
fit.  Moore certainly deserves his place.  Another player I would have
prefered to see is Barnes, he seems very lively this season and his kicking
has also been spot-on.  Andrew has returned from Toulouse and not played 
any Courage League games, and I prefer Barnes' quick thinking attacking play.

The backs are nearly as normal except Hunter comes in as wing and should be
a handful for the SA's.

As long as the same approach as England B is played then it should be a
fantastic contest.  

Cheers,
Graham

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From: lano@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Lee Nowell)
Subject: Re: Swansea vs Australia report
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:43:42 GMT

In article <13793@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> davep@presto.uk.sun.com writes:
>Having only seen very brief highlights of this game (what it is to be Welsh and
>stuck in England at such times!)


I Know how you feel !!!!


>I would have to disagree. While Wales definitely have a long way to go, there has been
>a big improvement in attitude and desire to win since the world cup. Also, the fact
>that the management team are consistent in their selection has helped the team to
>settle down to the task in hand.
>

Too right!! The non Welsh followers rate every team on past performance..
The problem with the Welsh side was that older players and those moving to
League were going and the younger talent was not immediately there to fill the
gaps. Loosing the players in one fair swoop would kill any side not matter who
they were. Wales have now got their act together, as you say there has been a
big improvement in their game. They are now starting to show signs of their
former glory.

>No one expect Wales to beat Australia,


They said that about Scotland!!! Wales had a great game here and started to
show what they are really made of.


>look at the age of most of the England players and ask if they will
>still be playing in the 1995 world cup?

Yep I agree. England will be the next to go!


>Wales at least have a better chance of
>going there with a side that has played together for a few years, rather than having to
>chop and change when people retire.


Come on WALES you've got the talent, you've got the desire now lets show them
what we are really made of!!!!


Lee.
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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: SA Eng teams please?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:32:02 GMT

Me again 

Same old boring question as before every test in France...

Who's gonna win?

PLEASE Naas, PASS!!!

                
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From: smaad@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr A Davies 92)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Swansea v Australia report
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:26:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


     Result: SWANSEA 21         AUSTRALIA 6

     Tries : Gibbs,Jenkins
     Conv  : Williams
     Pens  : Williams 2         Kelaher 2
     D.Goal: Williams

It was an inspirational performance by the 'all whites', who despite
having a lighter pack and losing 27-9 in the lineouts, outplayed the
tourists. Hopefully this sort of determination and attitude can now be
achieved by the national side.

One thing for sure, the Wallabies will have to improve considerably
before taking on the other Welsh sides, or they'll be in for other 
surprises, especially against Llanelli on Nov' 14th !!

Adrian.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: pete@vscn18.nohost.nodomain ()
Subject: Re: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)
Reply-To: pete@vscn18.nohost.nodomain ()
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:59:42 GMT


To: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Eng B v SA (Nov 7)



  I agree Barnes is alot better than the Andrew. 

 By the way Barnes is not a good looking West country boy, he is in fact
a good looking Welsh boy. He has played over a dozen games for Wales at 
scoolboy level, most of them being as captain and briefly replaced JPR in the 
 Welsh squad before being inticed to England. A shame for Wales and for Barnes.


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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Midlands v SA (Nov 4)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:33:12 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

These are some thoughts I had after the Midlands v South Africa game last week
that I have only just had the chance to type up.  

SA won 32-9, H/T score 10-9, and IMHO it wasn't a pretty game to watch.  There
was a lot of hands on the ball in rucks and by players on the ground, from
both sides.  Dean Richards didn't have a good game but was in there as usual
swallowing up the ball but not necessarily making it available.  Another 
England hopeful, Olver, was ok in the tight but missing in the loose.  He   
won two against the head.  Bayfield had a good game in the line although
was also absent in the loose, where he normally gets around.  The SA forwards
were bigger than the Midlands but didn't really get as much posession as 
they should have done.

I felt as though a new aspect to rugby had appeared, a muck, a cross 
between a ruck and a maul but always static.  IMHO the ref didn't play
the new laws as they should be.  There were tackled players and the 
tackler almost wrestling the ball their way.

The SA backs certainly won the game for the 'boks and Botha released them
more often than he has on the whole French tour (by all accounts).  If he
keeps that up then they will be a potent force.

IMHO, the best players from SA were the scrum-half, Garth Wright, the centres
(Gerber wasn't playing if I remember rightly), the fullback and Botha :-),
his kicking was pinpoint accurate.  For the Midlands Steele, Thorneycroft
and Bayfield all did the most, and are all from Northampton. 

I also had a few thoughts for the England B game which I am going to add
now even though I now know the result :-).  England B should be a far
tougher prospect, Back in the loose, Clarke and Redman's driving play and
Barnes at fly-half.  

--
Graham Cutting
grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard, Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 1HN, England
From: tournier@ash.ppc.ubc.ca (Indy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: French championship
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:43:36 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ash.ppc.ubc.ca

Hi, rugby fans

May anybody give me some news of the french championship, especially the results of Grenoble?

Thanks 
**************** France for the 93 Five Nations tournament Grand Slam ! **************************
-- 
Patrice Tournier
Vancouver
email <tournier@ppc.ubc.ca>
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From: grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Graham Cutting)
Subject: Re: England Team for SA Test (14th Nov)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:16:24 GMT
Organization: HP, Berkshire, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Graham Cutting (grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com) wrote:
>England team for South Africa Test 14th Nov, announced 8th Nov. 
>
>Webb (Bath)			
>Hunter (Northampton)	
>Underwood, T (Leicester)

A thousand apologies, this is Rory *not* Tony.  Apologies to all those who got
excited about the prospect of Tony playing.  I still think that Rory will be
a tad better than Tony but Tony's day will come, maybe the 5N.

>Carling (Harlequins)	
>Guscott (Bath)		
>Andrew (Toulouse)	
>Morris (Orrell) 	
>
Cheers,
Graham

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grahamc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard, Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 1HN, England
From: davep@presto.uk.sun.com (Dave Powell - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Neath vs Australia
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: davep@presto.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


Last night Australia beat Neath by 16 points to 8. 

Since the BBC only showed the tries (one per side) and penalties, I do not know what
the game was like (though the Australian try was a superb bit of play from one end
of the field to the other) so if anyone was lucky enough to be in Wales yesterday 
afternoon and saw the game on the television (it was televised live in Wales) perhaps
they can post a few more details....

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning)
Subject: Re: Neath v Australia
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:18:31 GMT

In article <CJP.92Nov11220723@aberda.aber.ac.uk> cjp@aber.ac.uk (C J Price) writes:
>
>Oh yes, Andrew Manning writes about Oz/NZ:
>
>>I think that it was obvious to any intelligent observer that the
>>two sides are incredibly evenly matched.
>
>Doers "intelligent" here mean "New Zealand". I felt that the
>full strength Australians were worthy winners of the series. 
>They didn't even need to break people's noses to do it....
>

Did I say they weren't worthy winners? No. Since I have to admit that I
haven't seen the games (look at where I'm living :-(  ) I can't really make
a judgement on that. All I was disputing was an early posting which claimed
that Oz was far and away the best in the world. From the statistics
(winning a series 2-1, and by one and two point margins), and from various
comments on the net (both Kiwi AND Ozzie), I think that the previous
poster's remarks were totally unjustified.

Andrew M.

P.S. We're going to get the Cup back in '93!
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 15:28:11 CET
From: <TVERRALL@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: England B & Div Teams
 <1992Nov5.193932.11405@siesoft.co.uk>

Any chance of a match report .... Eng B vs South Africa.
Please.


Tim

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From: peterda@cs.uow.edu.au (Peter Donald Asquith)
Subject: Re: Swansea vs Australia report
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:31:39 GMT

amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:

>In article <13793@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> davep@presto.uk.sun.com writes:
>>
>>No one expect Wales to beat Australia,
>>who are far and away the best side in the
>>world at the moment (IMHO, anyway) but lets 
>>not damage the chances of a Welsh

>Bullshit! You are just saying that because you know the Ozzies are going to
>kick your butts. Might I remind you that the All Blacks very recently beat
>the full strength Ozzies. And I'm not one to hide the fact that they won
>the series 2-1 (winning their games by one, and two point margins),
>however, I think that it was obvious to any intelligent observer that the
>two sides are incredibly evenly matched. So your HO is quite simply
>ludicrous.

>Andrew M.

Don't be a bore!  The interest in this conversation is the revival of 
Welsh rugby and their chances of knocking off the world champions.
Good on the Welsh for getting their house in order.  The tour of
Australia was unfortunate on and off the field last year - and from
what we've seen this year things are moving forward.  The win over
a strong Wallaby selection really sets up the rest of the tour.
The odds for a Welsh victory have firmed to about 5/1 over here.

Peter Asquith
Kiama Rugby Club
Australia