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From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:24:00 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

In article <1992Nov19.143115.19913@athena.cs.uga.edu>, kraig@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kraig Count) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.153149.23717@ctp.com> sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:
|> >Okay, so here's a question - why is it that gays and lesbians seem to
|> >believe that every one who is *not* het shouldn't *look* het.  I know, I
|> >know, it's yet another way of openly declaring one's sexuality, just like the
|> >T-shirts and pins etc.  But why is it that we are seen as somehow *wrong*,
|> >or at least not serious about being lesbigay if we look just like the
|> >average het on the street?  I mean really!  I look like the average
|> >girl-next-door, and quite frankly, that's also the kind of woman I am
|> >attracted to.  I don't believe that makes me any less bi than someone who
|> >"looks" lesbigay.
|> 
|> I don't know.  I appear like any other guy.  In fact, i don't ever think
|> that I have run across any LGB person who thought that if you were
|> out you had to be **OUT** (ie.. in looks)
|> 
|> If you bi, gay, or lesbian, it dosn't matter how you look ar act
|> you are still the same.
|> 
|> - kraig
|> 
Well, this may *seem* to contradict my earlier rantings about abuse (verbal)
from gay men (the *GIRL* thing), but I agree quite a bit with Kraig.  They
(gay men) have never suggested that I should *LOOK* gay.

<sheepish exit> from this discussion
*hugs*
js
From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yet another thing that I wrote...
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:35:19 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kdc5072@ultb

S. Arrowsmith writes:
->In article <1992Nov16.182959.29244@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kdc5072@ultb.rit.edu () writes:
->>*hugs* to all...."Let It Snow, Let it snow, let it snow..."
->>
->>                                   MASKS
->>
->> [ ... good stuff deleted to save bandwidth ... ]
->>
->>	So my question is this:
->> 
->>		Are you wearing a mask that someone wants you to wear?  
->>
->Yes.
->
->Curiously enough, this is something I've been going over a lot in
->counselling recently.  It's all very well to recognise that it is
->a mask you present to the world -- but after all the years showing
->nothing else, can you really be sure that there's anything left
->inside?  That there is a real you -- something more than the masks
->presented for the benefit of others?  Would you dare to try and 
->remove the masks if you believed/knew this to be the case (I can't)?
->
Ahhh...but by recognizing that you are wearing a mask, that shows that
there is something inside, and that something is the 'you' as you see
you...(did I lose ya there?  almost lost me...)

The masks are not always there to benefit others.  Sometimes they are 
there to make life easier on the wearer.  And if this is the case, there
may be reasons not to remove them.  

And to answer your question, I would dare (and have) removed my masks
because I know that is not the case, at least not for me.

Good luck with lots of *hugs*!


    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    =   Kevin Colagio...student at large - Bear code?  You think I   -
    -                aka                 -   know what that is???    =
    =       KDC5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu     -    B2/4 w g++ K s- h+ r   -
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From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: No subject
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:08:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Nov20.154237.11411@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:

>In article <memo.759309@cix.compulink.co.uk>
>cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>[...]
>>+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
>>|       Bisexual knitter of quality and distinction since 1992.        |
>>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>
>It's ambiguous.  Does it mean "knitter of bisexuals" (now there's an
>intriguing thought!) or "knitter who is bisexual"?

       +----------------------------------------------------------+
       |                                                          |
       |   "My mother made me a homosexual."                      |
       |                                                          |
       |   "If I gave her the wool, would she make me one too?"   |
       |                                                          |
       +----------------------------------------------------------+


Couldn't resist. (The joke's even older than I am.)

And now I'm going to get demuffined! Serves me right.

... Might as well lie back and enjoy it ...
--
Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, | "The truth of a property said to be
Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End | approximate is something quite diff-
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 | erent from the approximate truth of 
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | a property said to be exact."J.Nicod
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Wanderer Returns
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:28:12 GMT

In article <ZEN.92Nov16154214@death.corp.sun.com> zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
>  Isn't worldcon (sci-fi convention) supposed to be out there in a year
>or two?  If so, muffy and I might just take you up on that... it seems
>like everyone on soc.bi lives over there anyway, eh?  Ya'll should
>arrange some kind of massive party around the same time as that
>convention... (hint, hint...)
>
Glasgow, '95.  But Glasgow's nearly Edinburgh from the other side of
the pond (-8 .  Assuming I'm still around, I'll be there, soc.bi party
or no -- I'm not on any sub-committees yet, but it's only a matter of
time....

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Really a new post but I don't know how to do it:)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:01:53 GMT

In article <BxxFsF.MpF@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>I am conducting a contest.
>It is an essay contest.
>The subject is what masturbation means to you.
>The winner gets their choice from a box of tissues and a vibrator.

But Jim, I already have both... now, if you came up with some REAL
incentive... :)

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper)
Subject: Re: Gender-specific needs
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:22:52 GMT

	<chuckle> Piglet, Piglet, Piglet... you crrrrazy nut!

	I too am madly in love with this woman (hey, we have something
in common! O-: ) I just want to drive wild with my kisses. If it weren't
for societal dictates, I probably would have jumped her bones long ago.
Augh! Yer killin' me, God, yer killin' me! Anyway, happy hunting, and
great big hugs with "Go get 'er!" written all over them. (now how do you
write on a hug? hmmm...)

	Anyway, let me know how things work out--I'm a teeny bit jealous
you found her before I did! Oh, and, <raises hand timidly> how do you
about letting a motss know you're attracted to him or her? I really have
no clue (but Elf can confirm my cluelessness, I think (-;)

	Just some random thoughts. Great big snuggles to everyone in
e-land!

Tepperware Party
-- 
I'm too sexy for meiosis.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Icky White Male)
Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
Originator: sconley@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: White Male Conspiracy
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:37:55 GMT

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>I know that an ad hominem argument is not valid.  I also know that one
>was not *used*.  In logic terms, Mike was pointing out that you were
>operating from the premise that the world works the same way for
>everyone as it does for "white males."  Both of us have disputed this
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [Oh, and how is that?]
>premise (I did so in the article you are responding to here), but you
>have not responded to that as yet.

I do not believe that it is worth a response.  You can count me out of this
discussion, since I'm suspected of being a male caucasian and anything I say
will be explained away as being a result of what are popularly believed on
soc.bi to be my skin color and genitalia, regardless of the kind of life I've
had to live or what I've been through or how I've come to my conclusions.

So, with respect to all that, fuck you, I don't care what you think.

sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: No subject
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:53:39 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <By1Hz7.662@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.154237.11411@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>>(Recent subtle change to my .sig due to someone pointing out that
>>the Powers That Be might not be happy about my including my American
>>e-mail address....)
>
>Duh wot?  No way!  Tell us more!
>
I got sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu last year, when I was in London and had
permission to use machines there to log on to the other side of the
pond.  It would probably be a breach of local regulations for me to
do it from Cambridge, however, and having the address in a .sig I'm
using in local groups might well get it unwelcomely(sic) noticed.  I
do *not* like having the book thrown at me -- particularly as I only
just about talked my way out of a suspension for laser-printer abuse
last year....

(Oh, yeah -- a big `Hi guys' to any CL or CS staff reading this (-8 )

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: Penetration
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:32:30 GMT

In article <s882916.721961887@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>Thanks to Ciarhan for the alternative words to penetration but I'm afraid
>none of them are appropriate. 

I remember when soc.bi first started somebody posted 'vepo' out of some
NewSpeak dictionary (or parody thereof).  It's an acronym for 'Vaginally
Envelope a Penetrating Object' and, as I recall, was created to give women
the active verb in sex.   Pronounced "vee-poe", rhymes with "repo": 
'Rectally Envelope a Penetrating Object'.  I remember this starting off a
long thread of _Repo Man_ quotations...  (here we go again...)


Steve
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:25:30 GMT

In <BxrwyC.6on@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>>   No, I suspect with that thing the enlargement is an intentional
>>side-effect.  I've seen it advertised elsewhere, and the ads make a
>>specific point of mentioning that it's for penis enlarging.
>
>The *only* study to show this ever was the one commissioned by the
>original manufacturers.  All independent studies have shown no
>quantifiable effect at all, apart from a slight local swelling at
>the time of application.

On a related note...
The "Kinsey Institute New Report on Sex" has a section (pg. 179
onwards) on aphrodisiacs and pills/creams which will help male
fertility/potency. The Kinsey Institute's response includes the
following:

	To date, no one has yet discovereed a drug that ``cures'' any
	_one_ male sexual dysfunction for most men, let alone all the
	separate steps involved in healthy sexual functioning: desire,
	arousal, erection, orgasm, ejaculation, plus sperm production.
	The day someone discovers a drug that reliably cures even one of
	thes male dysfunctions for a majority of patients, not only will
	the inventor or drug company become fabulously wealthy (people
	already spend a fortune on bogus products), but every newspaper,
	radio program, television show, and magazine in the country will
	tell you about it and include information about the research
	that you or your physician can easily verify.


I recently read a snippet in a newspaper which sound like an urban
legend. It is possible to get penile implants which cause an erection at
the press of a button. (The button controls fills/drains the penile
implant from a resivoir.) According to the article, a man had such a
device which was operated by a remote control (!) and got an erection
anytime his neighbours operated their remote control garage doors.


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: Latin (was Re: coming out to my parents)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:51:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.170659.21010@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>In article <By1HB2.5xn@ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>> 
>> 'Minime vero' - I *know* which book *he* learned Latin from :-)
>
>"Ecce. In pictura est puella. Puella est Flavia."
>

Humph.  I learned from "Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est."
Not to mention "Arma virumque cano, Troiae qui primus ab oris".


Piglet, stuffy traditionalist....
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: my roomie
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:50:39 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:

>orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>|> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>|> |seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>|> ||> orc@amber.uchicago.edu writes:
>|> ||> >               ____
>|> ||> > david parsons \bi/ shy and demure, but still shameless, e-slut
>|> ||> >                \/
>|> ||> Shy? Demure?  I just don't see it but hey maybe I'm missing something.
>|> |
>|> |Very Evident.  And Very Fun, Indeed. REAL e-sluts don't advertise.  they
>|> |don't *have* to.
>|> 
>|>    Hate to have to point this out to you, but advertising is an
>|> *essential* part of sluttishness.

>Point taken.  BUT, my momma always warned me about the nice Catholic boys...
>Ever considered "ee-slut" or "ca-slut" or "me-slut"?
>What do you think about "whore-dog"?  I rather like it myself. 

I haven't heard that but I >have< been called a "horn-dog" which may be
a variation on the same thing. Any others?


/jon (vanilla with a trace of passion fruit ripple)
   ___________________ ____ ________________________________________
  / -- Jonathan Harley \  /_   Could be an ever opening flower...  //    //  //
 / J.W.Harley@ncl.ac.uk \/ /  It's the beginning of               // // //////
/_Phone:UK 091 222 8504__\/__a new love inside________________///////////  //
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Elf calls for a 12-step help...
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:25:27 GMT

In article <edjans01.722021891@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> edjans01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing) writes:
>Don't get me wrong.  I don't necessarily think that your addicted to
>ANYTHING.

Except possibly attention? ;-)

G
[A little *joke* based on elf & richh's ego-tripping on #bondage last night...]
--
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:02:44 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <1992Nov20.154808.11574@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
[ Flavours of ice cream as machine names... ]
> BBQ-ripple, of course!!!!  (-8

Argh! I thought that the BBQ-ripple thread was *long* dead...

Mind you, Mike says it sounds quite nice. Gurgle.

> (That's almost as weird as some of the machine/printer names around 
>  here....)

Naah - they all make sense! DECstations named after Cambridgeshire villages,
VAXen named after classes of locomotive. Main printers named after types of
locomotive (steam, electric, diesel - they installed clockwork recently...).
Machines in the Fairisle project named after shipping zones. Pandora boxes
given Japanese names for parts of the body (first was Japanese for the arm -
guess which processor they use...). Wanda machines named after fish. Other
printers named after trees. File servers named after Cambridgeshire towns. A
few private machines called silly things. Apple Macs for DTP named after types
of apple. Bobcats named after species of great cat.

OK, so serval, goldendelicious, halibut, county, manea, ashi, ely, dogger, etc.
look a little incongruous at first, but never mind... (-8

--Clive.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,alt.sex,alt.sex.wizards
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Ottawa Bisexual Meet
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Keywords: They don't call it Bi-town for nothing! ;)
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Distribution: ott
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:05:32 GMT



Just a reminder!!


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 \   Nobody knows I'm bi!   /
  \                        /
   \ Ottawa Bisexual Meet /
    \    Nov. 22, 6pm    /
     \     Maxwell's    /
      \    340 Elgin   /
       \     info     /
        \  596-6099  /
         \ 828-5890 /
          \        /
           \      /
            \    /
             \  /
              \/


  Bi's, Bi-friendlies and
    Bi-curious welcome.



    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Oxford bi info
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.192411.4831@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov10.164733.10033@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, rcharles@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> > A big hello out there to all like minded folk.
>> 
>Indeedy - welcome!
>
>(PS: I'm sure the name "Ruth Charles" rings a bell from somewhere...)
>
Rings bells with me too -- and I can place it.  However, I'm sure it's
not that an uncommon name, and the probabilities against it being the
same one are mammoth....

As for bi-stuff, Cambridge is a bit inactive at the moment, having only
a women's bisexual officer (unless they've found a mug for the man's
post since the last time I heard) and everything gets subsumed under
the general LesBiGay banner.  I can send contacts if you really want.

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Really a new post but I don't know how to do it:)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:36:14 GMT

I am conducting a contest.
It is an essay contest.
The subject is what masturbation means to you.
The winner gets their choice from a box of tissues and a vibrator.
(In the interest of Gender Fuck of course):)
I thought that I would post it here because you are all so 
HUGABLE and FUN.

:)

Have fun with it.
Send it to my address by thanksgiving, next thursday for yall elsewhere.
and I will pick a winner with the help of my committe, which I haven't 
picked yet, the following week.

And I know this isn't exactly the forum but I thought hey what the hell:)

bye



-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:10:16 GMT

In article <Bxzqr8.Ms9@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.140437.15513@news.acns.nwu.edu> 
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>There is the particular problem that it is difficult to "look" bisexual.
>Try going to the office christmas party with an SO of each sex :-)

I would if I could... 

;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Hissing...
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.110040.6812@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
[...]
>"How UNIX got me laid."
[...]
>"Well,Usenet made me queer..."
>

Oohhh! -- I know this may not be the main point, but these make great
quotes ;)



-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................