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From: ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Black State Legislators to Hold '92 Conference in New Orleans
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:53:13 GMT

Here is a press release from the National Black Caucus of State Legislators.

 Black State Legislators to Hold '92 Conference in New Orleans
 To: National and Assignment desks
 Contact: Kofi Owusu of the National Black Caucus of State
          Legislators, 202-624-8833

   WASHINGTON, Nov. 9  -- The National Black Caucus of State 
Legislators (NBCSL) will hold its 16th Legislative Conference 
at the ITT-Sheraton New Orleans Nov. 30 through Dec. 6.
   NBCSL president, Colorado State Sen. Regis F. Groff; conference
chair, California Assembly Member Gwen Moore; and host committee
chair, Louisiana State Sen. Diana Bajoie, announced the conference
theme: Revive, Redesign, Rebuild BLACK AMERICA "...with liberty and
justice for all."
   More than 1,000 participants are expected to attend and salute
NBCSL's growing membership.  This week's election results have added
more than 100 African American state legislators to NBCSL's ranks,
for a total of nearly 600 across the nation.  Ten African American
state legislators who were elected to the U.S. House of
Representatives and former NBCSL member Illinois Senator-elect Carol
Moseley Braun will also be honored.
   "This is the largest political movement since Reconstruction; the
largest political power shift in this century," Groff said about
the Nov. 3 state and Congressional elections.  "Effective use of this
growing political power gives African Americans dynamic influence in
deciding the political priorities and fiscal solutions to America's
many problems."
   Invited speakers include: U.S. President-elect Bill Clinton;
Illinois Senator-elect Carol Braun; Democratic National Committee
Chairman Ron Brown; University of Oklahoma Law Professor Anita Hill;
Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies President Eddie
Williams; General Benjamin O. Davis; and others.
    ------
   NOTE: NBCSL staff will be in New Orleans beginning Friday,
Nov. 27.
 -30-
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:31:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I've got a review copy. Evidently, not everything Malcolm told Alex
Haley is completely true, but the general outline is accurate. His
father was run over by a streetcar, not done in by white supremecists.
His father (and later Malcolm) burned down their own homes after beingt
evicted formerly by racist white landlords, and later by the Islam church
who wanted him out after his break. Malcolm also had some run ins with
or as a homosexual prostitute. Nothing horrible unless you're rabidly
homophobic, which a few people in the Af-Am community are. Overall, it's
evidently a cleaned up, more accurate account of his life, but the original
isn't bad as long as you don't believe everything. They're selling Haley's
book in the grocery stores now - there's no other book from the 60's that
sells this well.

BTW, how many people know that Malcolm X taught that whites were the
result of an experiment by a black scientist who wanted to create an
evil race of people? I'd bet most people with the X hats and T-shirts
don't know about this. It's in the autobiography.
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Detroit's Rodney King Incident
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:12:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.021234.1297
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95

dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:
>Yes, Detroit does have a Black mayor and police chief, and I suspect
>things will be handled much differently than in LA. The 7 officers
>have already been suspended *without pay* and indictments are 
>expected soon.

It should be much easier to get a conviction in this case.  First, there
is no video tape.  Second, there are witnesses that say the victim was
beaten *AFTER* he was handcuffed.  It will be hard for them to find
use-of-force experts to claim that there is a need to keep beating
someone after they are handcuffed.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com> writes:

> Here is a press release from the National Black Caucus of State Legislators.
> 
>  Black State Legislators to Hold '92 Conference in New Orleans
>  To: National and Assignment desks
>  Contact: Kofi Owusu of the National Black Caucus of State
>           Legislators, 202-624-8833
> 
>    WASHINGTON, Nov. 9  -- The National Black Caucus of State 
> Legislators (NBCSL) will hold its 16th Legislative Conference 
> at the ITT-Sheraton New Orleans Nov. 30 through Dec. 6.

		[stuff deleted]

>    Invited speakers include: U.S. President-elect Bill Clinton;
> Illinois Senator-elect Carol Braun; Democratic National Committee
> Chairman Ron Brown; University of Oklahoma Law Professor Anita Hill;
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^

		and why isn't clarence thomas invited??!



just wonderin'
pjm.
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: To K. Crudup re black women with children
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:25:20 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Replying to Kenny Crudup regarding his remarks on unmarried black
women who seem always to have children...

I still say there is something rather funny about so-called eligible
brothers who complain about single black women with children.  Your
comment that you hate children right now seems rather droll...just
think of who you once were, brotherman.  Furthermore, I also find it
funny that the same brothers who dog sisters for having children,
who have gone to college in their single and unattached state, may
have made some children along the way, with or without the brothers'
knowledge...present company excluded most probably, but this is
something to think about.  Furthermore, divorce and death also makes
black women single mothers and breadwinners.  You're going to be
critical of black women for that?  I say, fault the brothers who
make babies as well and don't use birth control.  Is it always the
sisters' fault?

If you want to have fun, fine.  Enjoy being free while you can, and
bring your bodybags as well.  But please don't dog certain sisters
(since it seems to be your karma to be attracted to young women who
happen to have a child in tow) who decide they would like to have a
child in case there are no decent brothers around to have a family
with, or who because of a lack of self-esteem decided to have a
child to get it (this situation is fraught with problems, of course,
and the sisters always wake up after the child is born).  It's
understandable if the sisters are looking at you as a potential
father, but then again, this is not always the case.  Are you
upfront when you date, and is the sister as well?  Communication
seems to be a lost art in our community, when we are inclined to
talk long and loud about so many other things.

My comments about black men having legal as well outside children
harkens back to a time when this was supposedly no problem.  One of
our great black authors, James Baldwin, was born out of wedlock and
was raised--for good or for bad-- by a stepfather.  I think the
black male population (middle-class or otherwise) cannot afford to
be so fastidious as to let thousands of black youngsters, some of
them their own children, be cast adift.  I still say, some dudes
seem only to be thinking about their wallets or how some fresh thing
looks.

Twenty years ago, I watched young sisters bring their babies to
school, while I prepared to graduate with honors.  Remembering, I am
not as contemptuous of them as I used to be.  Some of that was also
a smug class condescension--the kind that made black people furious
over how Clarence Thomas dissed his sister and her children about
being on welfare while she took care of a dying aunt--their aunt.
That's why I also say, check out your minds.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.154649.29316@rock.concert.net> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>

[deletions]

>	Her being elected "with the help of the
>rich-white-liberal Handgun Control, Inc" is nothing more than
>the NRA rhetoric that is common now. I find the arugment that "we
>have to protect our right to bear arms to be both flawed and funny.
>First the average citizen can`t purchase the hardware need to
>wage a war with a corrupt government and second the "right to
>bear arms" was in regards to rasing a state militia. This fact
>is often left out when this issue is debated. The fact is that
>gun purchase should be regulated in the same manner as any
>dangerous product should be regulated.                     

Do yourself a favor and read about the second amendment - an initial
draft that did limit firearms to organized militias was rejected
by the founders. And the solution to the 'firepower' question is
to permit the ownership of more sophisticated firearms.

Or maybe you don't like the fact that her Oreo filling is showing?



-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:23:43 PST
Distribution: world

	>Warren Watts writes:
	>when Pee Wee first came on the net about a year ago, he was 
	>pumping all this ignorant bullshit about Malcolm because  
	
Because people like you lump anything you don't like into the category        
of "bullshit".  The quote of Malcolm's that I posted has already proven
to be true.

	>Last time he was on the net I got so fucking tired of his
	>ego driven bullshit, that I gave up on stomping him. 
	
And it took you 6 months to recover?!          

	>It is a just a waste of time, he is not here to LEARN anything 
	>but to stir up shit 
	
	
It's difficult to learn something when 50 people are patting each        
other's backs.  If a few have disagreements on something, that
causes a controversy, which causes different opinions to be cast,
or as you call it, "stirring up shit".
	
	>Just wait until you find out about his views on gays. 
	
I've already expressed them.  I'd never do anything to deny a gay        
person is or her individual civil rights.  Never have I advodated
harm, violence, or threats against any gay person or group of gays.
You knoweth not what you speak.
	
	>He got his ass fired for some of the shit he posted on soc.mots. 
	
Close.  I was fired for the shit I posted on alt.flame and alt.tasteless.        
What's the First Amendment limit on free speech on a newsgroup called
alt.tasteless?  I was being very TASTELESS, making jokes about AIDS and
magic.  I thought that's what alt.tasteless was FOR.

Do I have a right to be warned first, before being fired?  I never was 
warned.

Damn right I'm in favor of FREE speech.  It even puts me in the uncomfortable
position once in a while of having to defend Nazis marching down the street
in a parade, because much as I loathe them, I respect their right to march
down the street in peace.

	>Have fun stompin', but Pee Wee is one cracker that keeps coming 
	>back like the undead.

Undead people tend to do that, ya' know.  :)

--Philip
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating (The Atomic Dog Speaks)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:14:37 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov10.005334.6961@osf.org>,
kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes, on top of the other <hum>
observations made below:

>In article <1992Nov9.203317.9531@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
>ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>>but doesn't it so often seem that the one's doing most of the
>>complaining seem to be women who:
>>       a)weigh 300+pounds.  hey! there's *always* been a shortage for
>>         these pigs.
.
.
Oh, barrother. Out of the mouths of infants.

>>       b)have a half dozen kids by as many different guys who
           wants to work hard all their lives just to raise *other*
           guys' kids?

> >In article <1992Nov9.205756.16041@cs.ucla.edu> >gds@cs.ucla.edu
(Greg Skinner) writes:
 >>This isn't doing any of us any good.  >
.
.
Quite true.

>True, but quick- how many brothas out there *not* run
into this?
It must be >some state law in Mass that unmarried (now, or ever)
sisters have to have >at least one child.  Everybody's got kids.
Hell, I'll take a smoker over a >parent anyday.  > >>Comments like
this justify black women calling black men dogs, etc.  > >...and how
does this "justify"?  Perchance you meant "Comments like this cause
>Black women to *retaliate* by calling us dogs, etc."

> > -Kenny "seen a lot in just 28 years" Crudup
.
.
You certainly haven't seen enough, and I'm certified 10 years older.
As far as some man loving a woman who has already had a child or
children by other men (married or otherwise), he would have to be an
understanding, loving individual. I'm a woman who was raised by her
mother and her stepfather. Now this man, who I love and respect,
has also had what we call "outside children."  They were still his
children, no matter what. He supported them in whatever way he
could.  And I was always his daughter, there was no step in it. So
whatever has happened to family? extended family?

Furthermore, from what I have heard, black women who are
unmarried normally have about 2-3 children. Doesn't sound to me like
a "golden horde" of black babyhood.
.
Some dudes like the above seem only to be thinking of their wallets
or how some "thing" looks.  I've liked brothers with guts as big as
a barrel with brilliant minds.
.
Some minds need to be checked out, seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Clinton's In, Bushie's OUT!
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.183000.9083@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>In article <6939@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>>a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>>
>>> Actually Powell has never let his party affiliation become known.  Since
>>> his Chairman position is supposed to be free of party politics.  But, he's
>>> widely believed to be a democrat.  I expect Clinton to either keep him
>>> at the chairman position, or ask him to become Sec. of Defense. 
>>
>>If Powell gets Sec. of Defense it probably means he's a Democrat...
>
>
>
>The Secretary of Defense has to be a civilian. 
>

	Besides, word around D.C. is that Popwell doesn't want it
anyway. Now, Sam Nunn.........




-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RESEARCH ON COMMUNITY CONDITIONS
From: <G87CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 15:51:06 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

    I am researching the Conditions faced by African Americans in the
Following areas:
                 Education
                 Employment
                 Housing
                 Health Care
                 The Legal System
Any references that anyone can help me with will be greatly appreciated.

    Nelson               Lets do some research.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:18:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.204635.8989@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jama@inetnode.austin.ibm.com (Jama Barreh) writes:
>In article <1dc8g7INNohm@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>.
>>Otherwise, the dude could do good in The Clinton Cabinet and not in
>>some of the "black" type positions like HUD.  How bout Attorney
>>General?
>         I heard/read somewhere that Ron Brown is eyeing even a bigger
>price. He would like to be the Secretary of State.
>   
	I think that after the Brown`s contirbution to the
party that they will demand that he stay on as Chairperson.
The first four years will zip by!!!!

			Carter

--
"Why, have you never noticed that opinion without knowledge is
always a shabby sort of thing? At the best is blind. One who
holds true a belief without intelligence is just like a blind
man who happens to take the right road, isn`t he?"  Socrates
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:46:49 GMT

>
>This thread started when Carter Bing (bing@jazz.concert.net) posted
>"Eva Clayton bio" (<1992Nov4.153308.16163@rock.concert.net>), including
>Clayton's position in favor of the Brady Bill.  Carter's posting also
>included the statement:
>
>>         She will be representing the newly redrawn 1st
>> district of North Carolina. She has made political history by
>> becoming the first AA woman to represent North Carolina in the
>> House of represenatives.
>
>Clayton has also made political history by being the first AA woman,
>and one of the first two AA persons (the other is Melvin Watt) to be
>elected to the U.S. Congress from North Carolina with the help of the
>rich-white-liberal Handgun Control, Inc. 

	Greetings,

	I did post the story to both groups because her story
met the criteria for such a posting.

	Her being elected "with the help of the
rich-white-liberal Handgun Control, Inc" is nothing more than
the NRA rhetoric that is common now. I find the arugment that "we
have to protect our right to bear arms to be both flawed and funny.
First the average citizen can`t purchase the hardware need to
wage a war with a corrupt government and second the "right to
bear arms" was in regards to rasing a state militia. This fact
is often left out when this issue is debated. The fact is that
gun purchase should be regulated in the same manner as any
dangerous product should be regulated.                     

	Roy Innis has to be taken with a grain of salt. This
is the same person that was on a b-grade talk show wrestling
with a b-grade racist.  
	
	Anyway I have to run....

			Carter
--
"Why, have you never noticed that opinion without knowledge is
always a shabby sort of thing? At the best is blind. One who
holds true a belief without intelligence is just like a blind
man who happens to take the right road, isn`t he?"  Socrates
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From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The origin of AIDS
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:34:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

If you want to kill gobs of people, what good is a virus that takes
5-10 years to take effect, is transmitted only by massive amounts of
prosmicuous heterosexual, or slightly less massive amounts of anal sex,
or swapping needles? I suppose if fundamentalist Christians wanted to
create "God's revenge" , HIV might fit the bill, but it's not in their
interest to go out and actually create such a bug.
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Nation of Islam and AIDS
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:43:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ficus.stovall.721338186
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>This week's Prime Time Live (ABC) promises an expose on an alleged scam
>the Nation of Islam is running. Apparently they're selling a purported
>cure for AIDS. I believe the programme runs on Tuesday.

I for one will be looking forward to the show. The NOI "cure" is a low-dosage
regimen of alpha-interferon, marketed as "Immunex". The treatment, which was
developed and studied in Kenya, was largely ignored (almost ridiculed) by
the US AIDS establishment until recently. I believe the NIH has authorized
clinical trials along the lines of the Kenyan work in the last week or
two. I wish Billi Goldberg read this board. African Americans need to get
more seriously informed about AIDS, seeing as how the plague threatens to
literally **DEVASTATE** the Continent.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall                   
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu         
(310) 825-7307
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:04:54 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <DuPsTB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:

>Sex belongs in the bedroom and out of the courts and statutes.        
>	
>	>From the above you may or may not acknowledge that in 20+ states 
>	>gay male relationships are banned.  
>	
>They're legal in Georgia now, and I thought Georgis was about the most        
>redneck state in the country.  The Supreme Court even struck down a
>law in some state recently where a homosexual couple was arrested for
>being homosexual.  I think this will set a nationwise precedent.  And
>we know how CONSERVATIVE today's Supreme Court is.  Not to worry.

Really, Stromer, you need to learn to pause and count to five before
you right down the first thing that comes into your head.  

Georgia not only has an anti-Sodomy statute, but it was in Georgia
that the case of Bowers v. Hardwick originated, in which the Supreme
Court upheld a criminal prosecution for homosexual sodomy in a bedroom.


>There is no law, anywhere, that says it's okay to discriminate against someone
>because he's a homosexual.  Except in the armed forces.
>						       
You don't need a law, fool.  You can discriminate against anyone
unless the law says you can't.  That's the whole point of the Civil
Rights Act of 1964, to prevent employers and hoteliers and
restauranteurs from discriminating against blacks "just because they
feel like it."

>	
>What state has a statute that says homosexuality in the bedroom is illegal?        
Georgia, for one.


-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:23:38 GMT

  You know Phil, the vast majority of my AIDS patients are NOT gay - they
are heterosexual drug users, like yourself.  So maybe YOU should watch out -
AIDS could be coming your way.

   Why do you insist on posting derogatory summary judgements on someone
else's lifestyle?  And under what basis do you claim to know what
"homsexuals think of exclusively"?  I believe most people wish to use this
forum to discuss and debate issues related to African-American cultures -
not to randomly (and with not even an ATTEMPT at proof) insult gays, or any
other group. It sounds like the correct forum for your views is a brick
wall with a can of paint.  If you can't or won't carry an intelligent
debate, I for one would appreciate your not posting to this service.  It
just adds litter to the net.  


Peace

Bill
From: dpage@qed.cts.com (Don Page)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Madonna
Date: 2 Nov 92 22:11:34 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

No she has no effect on and me and I'm basically sick and tired of 
hearing about her.

------------------------------
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