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From: db3l@ans.net (David Bolen)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:37:55 GMT
	<1992Sep28.202515.7885@a.cs.okstate.edu>
	<1aa1m3INNkf9@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>
Organization: Advanced Network & Services, Inc. - Elmsford, NY

In article <1aa1m3INNkf9@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bewhite@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (MacroMan) writes:

>  Under 4OS2, type del /x/s/y <dir>.  I have this aliased to "zap"
>so I can just type zap <dir> and the directory is gone.  Not sure
>how many subdir levels this command recurses into.
>  Now, if I could only figure out how to move an subtree...

I'm not sure about 4OS2, but the MOVE command in the standard OS/2 shell
doesn't care if it is moving a directory or file.  So if you have:

	\foo
	    \one
	    \two
		\three
	    \four

and you say "MOVE \foo\two \foo\four", you'll get:

	\foo
	    \one
	    \four
	         \two
		     \three

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:20:55 GMT

bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier) writes:

>I believe the point is:

>	-  Joe average would not and should not need to know or understand
>	   this level of detail.  Does a Mac have a CONFIG.SYS, a root, etc.?

>	-  The WPS is suppose to hide from the end-user directory structures.

>The solution is that CONFIG.SYS should be able to reside anywhere.  How I don`t
>know but ....

Or have permissions by default to make moving/erasing it difficult ( and
advantage of unix type permissions- you have to become root and do
something special to muck up the system files.) It's an indication that
things in OS2 are too easy, since the same problem occured in DOS. Maybe
if OS2 can't find the config.sys or the whatever in / it should look for
the default one somewhere in os2/sys I think.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: Please Help me recreate my Minimized Windows Viewer Object!
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:52:12 GMT

I accidentally deleted my Minimized Window Viewer object.
I was able to recreate it using wpstools.zip, but it doesn't function!
Is there some way to reestablish the link, so that minimized windows will
appear in it, again?

Please email replies.
Thank you very much!

Meir

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Will ACAD rel. 10 run in a DOS session
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:33:36 GMT

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I didn't see it in the FAQ.

Does ACAD rel. 10 run in an OS/2 2.0 DOS session? When I try to run ACAD rel.
10, the drawing loads and is displayed, but then the system crashes and
displays an internal processing error message (requires reboot - I can post
the message and machine specs. if necessary).

Is there a fix for this, or is it just a matter of getting the 'DOS setting'
properly adjusted?

Thanks.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Shredder vs. Trash (was: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail)
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:48:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cenqOnG00WBOA2PMQG
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os2.apps: 4-Oct-92 Re: Shredder vs. Trash
(was.. by Timothy I Miller@isumvs. 
>      Now, I'm a little confused on this whole deleting things from
> the desktop thing.  If I have a program on the desktop, and drag it
> to the shredder, is it being deleted from the disk, or is it just
> being deleted from the desktop (like windows does)?

Because you're a DOS person, you should be able to understand this.  All
the desktop is is another folder in your hard drive path("OS!2 2.0
Desktop" in HPFS, and OS2desk (?) in FAT).  Thus, if a program were
physically on your desktop (ie, the .exe file is there), then dragging
it to the shredder will wipe out the program.  However, if all that's on
the desktop is a shadow of the program, then you only wipe out the
shadow.  Reverse it, and go into an OS/2 prompt.  You can then cd into
"OS!2 2.0 Desktop" type in erase whatever, and then you'll get rid of
whatever.  I'm not sure if it's updated on the desktop, and so this
method is scorned upon.

>      Also, if I take a program object, and put it into a folder (like
> the 'recycle' folder (very clever idea, BTW)), is it physically
> being moved from one subdirectory to another, or is it staying in
> the same place on the disk, but looks different from the desktop
> (like windows).
>      Obviously, I come from a DOS background.  Thanks!

I don't really understand the second part of your question.  I guess it
doesn't matter because yes, it is physically moved from one subdir to
the recycle directory.

Don't forget, the desktop is just a visual representation of the file
system. Folders==directories && desktop==folder so desktop==folder (in
fact "OS!2 2.0 Desktop")
From: furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod)
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 07:16:10 GMT

In article <7473@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.200425.2154@sequent.com> furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod) writes:
>>That is a point well taken, but past history has shown that
>>Microsoft has been willing to support "competing" OS's in a sense
>>by developing or porting applications to the Macintoy and SCO XENIX
>>environments. While they are not Microsoft owned and operated OS's,
>>they were lucrative income streams none the less.
>
>Neither of the examples you cite, though, competed anywhere near as directly
>with a Microsoft OS as does OS/2.  Not porting apps to Xenix would not have
>helped DOS sales. Not porting apps to OS/2 may well help NT sales.
>
>-- 

Well, I am not so sure. You are correct though, OS/2 is a close
kissin cousin to Windows and NT in it's abitlity to support apps
written to the DOS and DOS/Windows environment. But I think the
question of negative market impact on NT sales by supporting OS/2
is debatable till the time it actually happens, if it ever does.
Considering the price tag of NT base, as pre-announced (close to
$500), and that the focus of the intended audience is slightly
different for each OS, I don't see all that much conflict in terms
of lost sales for Micrsoft. Also, another point to be brought up is
that Microsoft receives a royalty for each copy of WIN-OS2 that
hits a machine. This is a revenue stream they do not have to spend
money on to receive. And, considering the fact that each copy of
OS/2 sold yields yet another opportunity to run a DOS, DOS/Windows
app, because the hardware is more than capable, I see that as a
positive opportunity for Microsoft to make money, even though they
parted ways with IBM. All in all, they can create a win-win
situation for themselves and the customer base at large by
supporting OS/2 with their applications.

JMHO.

...Paul

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From: gac2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoffrey A. Coulter)
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Reply-To: gac2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:28:22 GMT

In article <davidw.717366048@auck.irl.cri.nz> davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz (David White) writes:
>In <1992Sep24.163416.12100@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>>This would be a valid point if MS never supported OS/2, but they did
>>at one time.  They had PM-Word running at version 1.1.  It is very
>>simple to upgrade PM-Word with the same features that they placed in
>>Win-Word.  But they didn't.  They took a long hard look at their OS/2
>>customers and decided that they weren't important enough to bother
>>with. 
>
>>If IBM had an older version of OS/2 for the Mac, then I would expect
>>them to port all future versions of it as well.
>
>Tell me then: what is the latest version of DisplayWrite for DOS, and
>when was it last upgraded (IBM product)?
>
>regards, david 
>--
> david white    (engineer, Goon fan & son of my Dad)
> Internet davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz  Fax +64 9 443-4737

IBM seems to be working on OS/2 for the MAC - Taligent.  They may not
be supporting Displaywrite, but they seem to be trying to do something
with the Fruits.

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From: slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos)
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Organization: UNLV Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:54:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.203910.12025@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>If MS doesn't want to upgrade something, I'd be annoyed (as I am), but
>not nearly as much as I am when they tell my to buy the Windows
>version of Word when I want to buy the OS/2 version.  Has it ever
>occurred to them that I am requesting the OS/2 version because I don't
>want the Windows one?

Of course it has occurred to them. Why should they care, the only
people who are using OS/2 are a million or so IBM zealots, right?

TTYL - Steve
-- 
Steve Lumos - slumos@cs.unlv.edu
From: logic@gacvx2.gac.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: ckermit && TE/2
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:33:55 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

In article <1992Sep25.234750.2642@midway.uchicago.edu>, sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
> In article <1992Sep23.133347.1784@gacvx2.gac.edu> logic@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
>>Has anyone had any luck using ckermit as an external protocol under TE/2?
>>I've had no luck getting this combination to work.  
>>Any help would be greatly appreciated...
> 
> TE/2 has a Kermit module available.  Have you tried that facility?
> 
> You can obtain it via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  Filename
> should be kermte2.zoo (or something roughly similar).
> 
> -- 
> Timothy F. Sipples      | The OS/2 FREQ. ASKED QUESTIONS LIST is avail. from
> sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/faq.
> Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | Or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP").
> of Chicago, 60637       | Family Values Means a Job

I specifically need ckermit as an external protocol under TE/2..  Ckermit
supports long packets while the kermit module you mention does not..

Thanks for the suggestion though..

regards,
al hart

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet)
Subject: Cat and Mouse and Autolockup
Summary: Cat and Mouse disables Autolockup
Keywords: Cat and Mouse Lockup OS/2
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:12:15 GMT

When you have Cat and Mouse running so the cat chases your cursor around
on the desktop, Autolockup is disabled.  Is this a bug?

Jeff "Kaz" Kaczmarek

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: Re: ATM for OS/2  (output on 9-pin printers)
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:23:27 GMT

In article <92Sep27.192631edt.42058@ois.db.toronto.edu> panos@db.toronto.edu (Panos Economopoulos) writes:
>
>I have a Panasonic 9-pin printer that has both
>an Epson and an IBM Proprinter II mode. The Proprinter driver produces,
>definitely, better output. However, when printing OS/2 Help pages,
>the font emulation is AWFULL, especially when compared with similar output
>from a Windows application (running under Win-OS/2 with ATM for Windows
>installed) on the same printer.
>
>Is this a problem with the driver?  It would seem unlikely since the
>same driver accepts input from both the OS/2 ATM (-> crummy output)
>and the Windows ATM (-> very good output). Also, wouldn't both versions
>of the ATM program (OS/2 vs. Windows) use the same underlying engine?
>So, where's the problem? At the interface between the ATM and the drivers?
>Am I missing something?
>

Oops...  Hoped to post this to the net...

Maybe I'll get it there soon.

The printer drive I use has 3 grades of output.  The darkest/finest is the
slowest and hence is NOT the default.  On the desktop, open the settings 
on the "printer" icon.  Go to the printer driver page and double click on
the "default printer driver" icon.  You'll see settings that suprised me!

Set 'em up, save 'em... (click on OK, etc.  I'm vague here, but I set 'em and
saw no change... wen't back to double check and found I'd not saved my new
settings.  Now it's great...) and Enjoy!

jc
From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Desktop Publishing for OS/2
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:41:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Jerry Bryan <BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> writes:

>There does not appear to be any.  Interleaf never had an OS/2 version.
>It looks like both Ventura and Pagemaker had OS/2 versions, but are
>dropping them.  This leaves us with Windows versions under WIN-OS2.

I'll get flamed for sure.... but around here we use emtex to publish
everything.  I can include graphics files from most sources using the
\special command and dvipm lets me see it all before I print.  Of
course, TeX is the assembly language of wordprocessors, but once you
get used to it the printed output of everything else looks like crap.


-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Help - Uploads Bring Machine To Crawl
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:31:42 GMT

In article <msf.717273761@skaro> msf@skaro.as.arizona.edu (Michael Fulbright) writes:
>I've beenusing os/2 v2.0 for a few months and i've had very little
>trouble.  I routinely download in the background (with Ckermit, cant
>remember version #) at 2400 baud.  Today I tried to upload with kermit
>and the mouse pointer froze and I couldnt switch windows, etc. But the
>floppy I was formatting in another window kept going and completed
>sucessfully, and the upload was also successful. But all I could do
>while uploading is watch. I noticed if I hit 'A' (upload status) that
>while it was printing out the status of the upload that I could
>move the mouse pointer. 
>I have tried using kermit uploads with the softterm program bundled
>with OS/2 and got similiar results, although I could move the
>mouse pointer all the time (but very slowly). What is different
>about an upload that makes it kill the machine? When I download
>there is no perceptable decrease in performance.

Puzzling.  You may have some sort of interrupt conflict or problem.
(Is the COM port sitting on an interrupt used by another device in
your system?)

I also understand that turning PRIORITY_DISK_IO in CONFIG.SYS to NO
helps when doing background communications.

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Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | Or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP").
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From: pfreeman@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Paul Freeman)
Subject: What to do when you Shutdown doesn't work?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:29:27 GMT

I have seen this discussed before but didn't pay much attention
since it didn't concern me at the time.  But now... I cannot shut
down OS/2.  I can keep the file system from getting messed up by
doing a [Ctrl][Alt][Del] before turning off the machine, but I
don't like doing that.

So... What is the solution.  Also, if this is a commom problem, it
should be added to the FAQ.  Or is there some bug list somewhere
that I am missing?

Thanks in advance for any help

- Paul Freeman  (pfreeman@eecs.umich.edu)
From: ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: 4dos & 4os2
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:02:27 GMT
Organization: PGP VER2 Key Available Upon Request

What is so special about these two programs? Everyone seems to love
them. Also how much do they cost and where can I get them?
				Thanks,
						The Jester
-- 
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give power to those few who enjoy power's taste above the common
welfare."
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From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 runs under OS/2?
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:59:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.153306.28597@micrografx.com> thite@micrografx.com writes:
>For everyones interest, MS C/C++ 7.0 runs in OS/2.  MS has placed
>some new executables on their BBS which are native OS/2 apps for
>the compilers, linkers and PWB.
>
>This 'patch', as they call it, produces DOS and Windows apps only,
>thus you might think of it as a cross-compiler.
>
>I am sending the patches to someone who has ftp access so they
>will be available soon on an ftp site near you...

The 'patch' is already available for FTP in ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (in
pub/uploads currently) and on ftp.uni-erlangen.de (in
pub/pc/os2/fauern/patches).

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rommel@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund)
Subject: Re: I can't get ELM2.3 to work
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:31:44 GMT

1. Is ELM 2.3 an OS/2 version of the Unix ELM (mail program?)

2. If yes: Can I use a Unix-machine as a mail server and read the mail
on an OS/2 machine?

3: Where do I get Elm 2.3 for OS/2?

Olav Torvund
Oslo, Norway
Olavt@jus.uio.no

Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.apps:6728 comp.os.os2.advocacy:6588
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:50:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep30.012440.29622@amd.com> ching@angelo.amd.com (Mike Ching) writes:
>
>This argument is moot. Frys has Word for OS/2 and Excel for OS/2 on the
>shelf. Excel had a sticker saying version 3.0. No version for Word was
>visible.

It's version 1.1 (or 1.1a...).  Word 2.0 and Excel 4.0 have not been
released for OS/2.


-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: wjw1@me1.MsState.Edu (Bill Wilson)
Subject: Virtual Desktop Application?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:50:21 GMT


Howdy all... just wondering if anybody has seen or used a virtual
desktop application for OS/2 ?  I don't mean a virtual desktop
video driver, I know those are available for Trident video cards,
but I have a Tseng. The reason I ask is that I have a Windows app
called BigDesk that gives you a virtual desktop in Windows (or WinOS/2)
that is very handy. It also works in WinOS/2 seamless mode fairly 
well, but I would prefer to have an OS/2 native app.

By the way, I am running the 32 bit GRE - WinOS/2 3.1 beta, and I 
never tried running BigDesk in seamless mode under GA. I am betting
it would work, but not sure.

Thanks!

__
Bill Wilson : MSU Nuclear Engineering
slave to the waffle light

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From: heederik@fwi.uva.nl (Robbert Heederik)
Subject: Re: Objectvision, Turbo Pascal for OS/2 (rumours)
Keywords: objectvision turbo pascal os/2 os2 borland
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:10:39 GMT

lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai) writes:
>Can you tell us how OV 2.0 for OS/2 compares with the latest OV for Windows?
>Does it have all the features for OV/Win 2.0?

Yes...The OS/2 version has even more:
- Database manager support
- REXX support

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: deleting whole subdirectories
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:00:19 GMT

In article <kevinc.717803811@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker) writes:
>cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:
>
>>Anyone got a clue for me on a way to whap a directory and all its children
>>into the bit-bucket w/o typing a compound command?  How about a simple
>>compound command?  (Must delete SubDirs containing files and other SubDirs w/o
>>naming them explicitly)
>
>I have heard that 4os2 will do this with something like a 
>
>ERASE /S /X [path]filename...
>
>where /S means do the subdirs and /X means really remove the subdirs
>after all the files are gone.  Any confirmations on this?
>
>Kevin
>--
>Kevin "autark" Crocker (Athabasca University)
>kevinc@cs.AthabascaU.CA  -or-  risk@cs.AthabascaU.CA


The Unix command 'rm' (ported by the emx people) can also work

	rm -rf path
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos)
Subject: Re: deleting whole subdirectories
Organization: UNLV Computer Science
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 02:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.083053.11625@daimi.aau.dk> tange@daimi.aau.dk (Ole Tange) writes:
>
>>Try the WPS :)
>>Open the drive object, then drag the folder to the shredder.
>
>Ever tried to delete a template that way?? ;-)

Oh come on! Like it is really that hard to open the Settings and
uncheck the "Template" checkbox... I deleted all of the templates that
the Describe installation created when I deleted Describe...

-- 
Steve Lumos - slumos@cs.unlv.edu