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From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: News (needed to be confirmed)
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:22:22 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Dec15.054230.26802@u.washington.edu>, pnj@stein.u.washington.edu (JnP) writes:
> 	I heard a news from local radio station this morning that
> Chinese English test scores in Octobor, either TOEFL or GRE or both,
> have been suspended due to cheating. This is second time for
> china within 3 years.  Can anybody confirm this news?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> -Fred

> Who cares if it is true or not.  Suppose it did happen, so what?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu)
Subject: Re: Culture or Politics?
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:10:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.171352.1427@cc.ic.ac.uk> wang@ps.ic.ac.uk (Haushan Wang) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I have attempted to READ this group several times but have failed so far
>to cut through the crab of all these "political arguments" about China, Taiwan
>and Hongkong.  I thought this was meant to be a cultural forum, but it sounds
>more like a swearing contest.  So can someone tell me if I am missing something
>about this group, or perhaps I just have to bear with all the verbal skirmish
>in order to get something of interests?  Maybe these articles should put
>"political rubbish" as Subject so I can skip over them painlessly?
>
>
Many people writing to this news group are Chinese and I guess they
consider this is a flying land in this English speaking country.
They think that this is a purely Chinese community.  They are talking
in English but their behavior is just like talk in an office in
China.  They feel that this news group is the ONLY place that they
can speak out.  So they post what they feel they need to say, even
if the topics are COMPLETELY irrelavant to the category of the news
group.  That's why they are posting math problems, puzzles, politics,
pictures, etc.  There are news groups designed for those purposes
and they don't use them.  I don't think those netters don't know
there exist such news groups.  They post that in this news group
by assuming an inference: I am Chinese and I like xxx, all the other
readers are Chinese, therefore, all the other Chinese must like what
I like.  The other reason is that they feel being isolated from the
outside world.  This is the only place that they can share some
feelings with other people.  THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING IGNORED if
they post to some other news groups and got no response at all.

Unfortunately people seem to like this.  Some illegal topics are
responded very actively.  For me, I am using trn and can just junk
those topis.  I am not saying that those topics are not serious.
But I would not read and respond to any irrelavant topics posted.
I believe there are people of other races reading this news group.
It appears to me that people allow such bizzare things going on in
this news group can only show that CHINESE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO
FOLLOW RULES.  They some time talk about rules and they kicked
out an talk.politics.china news group wasting your money, my money
and American tax payer's money.

Am I right, many people may not like what I said here.  But I would
like everybody ask yourself, "Am I following the rules?".

-- 
Fred Liu, Performance Technologies Incorporated		mliu@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620		uupsi!ptsys1!mliu
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:13:15 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BzDGI5.D8C@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> b4k@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Ming Luo) writes:
>	If you take one spoon full of juice from the right bucket, add it
>to the water in the left bucket. Stir it till uniform. Then take the same
>spoon full of the mixed solution from the left bucket, add it back to the
>right bucket. Now the two buckets have the same original volumes.
>	Question:
>
>	Did you put more juice into water, or more water into juice?

I assume since the volume did not change, you must've put the same amount
of juice into the water as you put the water into the juice.

Well lets see. Suppose you have 10 gallons of water and 10 gallons of juice
and the spoon is a 1-gallon spoon.
After you put the juice into the water, you have: 9 gallons of juice in one,
1 gallon of juice + 10 gallons of water in the other.
If you take 1 gallon of this solution, you'll have to take:
1/11 gallons of juice and 10/11 gallons of water, leaving behind:
10/11 gallons of juice, and 9+1/11 gallons of water
the net flow here is: +10/11 juice
when you dump the solution in the spoon into the other bucket,
you'll have in the other bucket: 9+1/11 gallons of juice and 10//11 of water
the net flow is: +10/11 water

Am I right??
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:33141 soc.culture.taiwan:16309 soc.culture.hongkong:16499
From: v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Is Hong Kong people Chinese? (Was: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?)
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:40:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <18DEC199209572663@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>, ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo) writes...
>In article <BzF77B.IvK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes...
>>I am not a "stupid CCP supporter", But I still have a very stupid question
>>to ask:
> 


>	You certainly is not stupid, althought, could be naive.  Let me
>	try to answer your question, although I don't classify myself
>	as a TIer.

      The reason I use the word "stupid" is somebody use this word to 
    insult, not arguing with, others. As to whether I am stupid or not, I 
    have my own judgement. 

>>If you TIers don't think you are Chinese, why do you keep posting so many 
>>offensive articles in this soc.culture.china news group? 
>> 
>	Depent on how you define Chinese.  People from Taiwan ARE ethnic 
>	Chinese.  If you define Chinese as Citizen of China, PROC, then
>	NONE from Taiwan are Chinese including people advocate unification.
>	This is dead issue.  Why Taiwanese keep posting so many offensive
>	articles in soc.culture.china?  I don't know.  Probably, they
>	have the same reasons as those Mainlanders keep posting so many 
>	offensive articles in soc.culture.taiwan.

  Perhaps that is because those mainlanders think Taiwan is part of China. 
And they are posting in a China related newsgroup.

> 
>>Taiwanese is not Chinese if China and Taiwan are two different countries. 
>>Unfortunately to those TIers, although there is two governments, there is 
>>only one country. 
> 
>	You have a very broad definition of a country, that is fine with me.
>	As long as the government in mainland China keep its hands off the
>	politics inside Taiwan and the foreign policy of Taiwan government,
>	Taiwan is not likely to declare independence.  Taiwan needs a position
>	in the world economic stage and political stage 

  I agree with you at this point.

>       and because CCP's
>	interference some people in Taiwan believe that the only
>	way out is an independent government.
>
  Independent government or independent country? If it is the former, I have 
nothing to say.

  If they mean an independent country, I don't think it is a way out. At 
least it is not a good way out because those TIers didn't consider the 
response of the Chinese people, not CCP or KMT.

  If TIers really want TI, why don't they have a trip to Mainland and  talk to 
normal people there, not CCP, and then make their decision?

  If they don't care about what others think, then nobody cares theirs.

> 
>>Hsi
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>OA Guo                        |My statement does not reflect NASA's point of
>NASA - Lewis Research Center  |view.  Nor should NASA's statements reflect
>Cleveland, Ohio               |my point of view.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: [TOYCOTT FLASH] ROBIN WILLIAMS SAID 'NO TOYS FROM CHINA' !!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:00:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.193313.9218@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> sdcadm@longhorn.corp.sun.com (SDC Administrator) writes:
>	**** Robin Williams supports boycotting toys from China ****
>
>At the David Letterman show last night, December 15, Robin Williams was 
>asked about his daughter Zelda and his new movie "Toys".  One of his quotes 
>were (paraphrased):
>
>"You know, you have to be politically correct when you buy toys 
>nowadays.  No toys from China and nothing like Ms. PMS dolls etc."

He will get more income by transfering to CBS, which is the reason
that he won't buy toys during the Xmas sales. But many other 
Americans may be much wiser. :0

>
>sdcadm
>
>Support Democracy in China
>P.O. Box 161588, Cupertino, CA 95016-1588
>Hotline: (408)534-1868

Zhiqi Zuo
Support Economy in China
Dealine: 12/32/1992

:-*
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:42:33 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The donation and CCP's hope engineering

Lix wrote:
Steve got notable improvement recently, I must say. He said:
> (deleted)
>knows. To do one good thing per day, is not to let people know.


        That reminds me of Mao's instruction:
        Yi1 Ge1 Ren1 Zuo4 Dian3 Hao3 Shi4 Bing4 Bu4 Nan2,
        (It's not difficult for one to do a good thing)
        Nan1 de Shi4 Yi1 Bei4 zi Zuo4 Hao3 Shi4 Bu4 Zuo4 Huai4 Shi4.
        (The difficulty is to do good for a whole life without bad doing)

        Sometimes feel interesting.
        It's not hard to do bad thing either.
        And also hard to do bad for a whole life without good doing.

        X Xu
From: wangji@lab.ultra.nyu.edu (Jiarui Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 24 points or no 24 points
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:54:54 GMT
Organization: New York University, Ultracomputer project
NNTP-Posting-Host: lab.ultra.nyu.edu


>In article <BzDGtz.68E@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>Now, can someone show us some kind of procedure that would prove that some set
>                                                            ^^^^^^^
>>>of 4 integers cannot be arithmatically combined to make a 24 ?
>>
>>1,1,1,1
>
>I didn't see the prove ;-)
>
>My proof: It is obvious. Done.
>
>-- 
>//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.

If the operations allowed is restricted to + - * / and each number and 
intermediate results is allowed to be used only once, the number of combinations
is limited, and can be exhaustively searched.  I actually wrote a program that
does the exhaustive search. The program do take into account of
fractions, so that 5 5 5 1, and 7 7 3 3's are solved, and the program is not
restrict to the set of 4 integers.


Jiarui Wang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Time table for reunification
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:49:52 GMT

It has not been a complete consensus yet that taiwan is part of china and 
taiwanese are chinese. But if we hold a vote on the net, i think the majority
will vote "yes". Now is the question of how these two parts of china can be
reunited.

I think this should be done in several phases:

Phase 1: unofficial bilateral trade. This will promote mutual interest and
		 understanding after long hostility. This is being done. A good
		 start.

Phase 2: PRC and ROC recognize each other and officially end hostile status.
		 This will very much take all the incentives away from TIers and 
		 ensure long term stability in the region. Now the unofficial bilateral
		 relationship can become official.

Phase 3: Extensive economical and political interaction and cooperation.
		 This will consolidate common interest and promote mutual trust.

Phase 4: Reunification in EC style. Common currency, common defense and
		 foreign policy. Near complete integration of economy. Etc.

The first phase is pregressing fine. Now second phase should start. THe first
move should be CCP's declaring no more "liberating taiwan by force" and KMT's
keeping TI at the bay. After that, mutual recognition should make a lot of 
nations in the world more comportable not just chinese. Once there is a will,
this phase should not take long. Phase three is a tricky part. This will very
much depend on the progress of mainland's economical and political reform. It
is unthinkable a tiny but rich part will willingly unite with a positively
huge but poor part. Democracy has to develop at both sides of the strait.
Prosperity has to be close (don't ask me how close), too. This is also likely
to be the longest phase. After that, phase 4 becomes natural.

After all, european countries are uniting themselves together after centuries
of fighting against each other. Why can't we chinese who are just separateed
for "merely" 43 years?

A side note: in todays CND, Jiang did warn about TI and talked about "resolute
measure" (not original, something like it), but he did manage to avoid the 
word "by force". A good sign? Hope so.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 24 points or no 24 points
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:21:02 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami

In article <858@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
|> In article <BzDGtz.68E@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
|> >>Now, can someone show us some kind of procedure that would prove that some set
|>                                                             ^^^^^^^
|> >>of 4 integers cannot be arithmatically combined to make a 24 ?
|> >
|> >1,1,1,1
|> 
|> I didn't see the prove ;-)
|> 
|> My proof: It is obvious. Done.


(1+1+1+1)! = 4! = 1*2*3*4 = 24
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Answer to fun problem No.2 and related matters
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:32:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec17.175858.11361@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>will get the car, and if you switch you will get the goat. The chance of
>getting the car by sticking to original choice will be 1/3. Say you choose

After the door 3 opened, and you see a goat there.  You are more excited
now since you know your chance of getting the car is bigger!  Not 1/3 but
1/2.  

>car. The chance of getting the car by switching is 2/3. The above is what's 
>carried in Reader's Digest(Chinese). The following is my personal opinion,

They better talk to a statistician first ... (- A stat consultant ;-)

>Secondly, let's talk about if this kind of games should or should not be

Games with inconclusive answer maybe more enjoyable, as is the case of
the tail of the poor cow. 

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: duanyang@cs.columbia.edu (Duanyang Guo)
Subject: a cs/math problem
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:48:45 GMT

I am glad to see some math around here. However, as I suppose, 
the netters should somehow be cs related. how about the following
problem to have a fun!
----------------------
given an integer vector (x1, x2, ..., xn), could you find 
an efficient ALGORITHM to get minimum M so that there exists
at least an integer vector (y1, y2, ..., yn) and the following
holds: 
(1). (y1, ..., yn) is a PERMUTATION VECTOR from [0, M-1]: 
     yi does not equal to yj, if i does not equal to j; 
     all yi belongs to [0,M-1];
(2)  ((x1+y1) mod M, (x2+y2) mod M, ..., (xn+yn) mod M) is also a 
     PERMUTATION VECTOR from [0, M-1] as defined above. 
-----------------------




-- 
Duanyang Guo	Computer Science Department, Columbia University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Is Chairman Mao God?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:28:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.213757.2440@newsgate.sps.mot.com> dwong@chopsuey.pico writes:
>In article 62131@cc.usu.edu, ma@cc.usu.edu () writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.193303.4159@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>>> 
>>>    ** That is a very interesting comparison though, it does not make Chairman
>>> Mao God at all. Neither Mao's birthdate (quite a coincidence) or his legacy
>>> (good or bad?) makes him God.  It is our stupidity and blind worship that
>>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>This is true for any worship.
>>
>
>But in Mao's case, people are forced to do it!
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this is also true for almost any worship, the rest gets trick the
really stupid into it.  

>
>Again as I mention in my previous post: no evil spirits can be more evil than Mao
>himself.  It is ironic to see people using Mao's portraits to chase away bad luck.
>
There are no evil spirits or devil to chase away.  
But if there's people pay me good money to sell him GhostBuster or WitchHunter
3000, i'd sell him, it will do a good job.  ;->  
>
>David W.
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: About the pretty girl
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:53:20 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <Bz52DA.CJD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.185848.20598@sunova.ssc.gov> somebody writes:
>>Why is there no posting of handsome guys? Especially with the proposed ranking
>>system -- my favorite part. Or is there any one dare to suggest that there is 
>>no good looking chinese guys? 
>>
>>
>>
>
>According to western standards there probably
>is no "good looking chinese guy".
>
>Just look around.  Everywhere you see white man_chinese girl
>couples, but you almost never see any chinese man_white girl
>couple.

This is not true. I often see Chinese guy going out with white girl, but
most of these Chinese guys are American born. So, I think Chinese guys
are attractive, only the language and culture problems lead to this 
misunderstanding. As far as dating is concerned, men play a more
difficult role. You should know how to make the girls laugh, and without
good language skills, this is almost impossible. But that's no problem
with girls. That's why you see Chinese girls going out with white men.

Meng
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:43:18 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: a fun problem


From: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Subject: Re: a fun problem
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:55:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.235211.7349@ee.rochester.edu> you write:
|> Now let's have something more advanced. Given 13 balls that look exactly
the|> same but one of the 13 balls differs in weight from the others, can you
|> find out this ball by using a balance(tian1 ping2) only three times?
|>
|> Meng
Too easy!
Here comes the algorithm:

             1. divide all the balls into three groups with number of balls:
                n/2, n/2, 1 (the dividing is randomly) if n is odd, or just
                two groups with n/2 number of balls if n is even;

             2. weigh the two groups with n/2 balls on the balance:

                2.1. IF Weight(group1) > Weight (group2)
                     THEN
                        GOTO step 1 to divide group1;
                     ELSE
                        IF Weight(group1) < Weight (group2)
                        THEN
                           GOTO step 1 to divide group2;
                        ENDIF;
                     ENDIF;

                 2.2 IF Weight(group1) = Weight (group2)
                     THEN
                        IF n is odd
                        THEN
                           the ball in neither of the two groups is the answer;
ENDIF;

                        IF number-of-balls(group1) = 1
                        THEN
                           this ball is the answer;
                        ENDIF;

                     ENDIF;
              3. stop.

The number of times using weight function is [log n ], and [ log 13 ] = 3.



            I'm afraid the  cake is not as easy as above.

            The balance is for unbalance use.
            Try some physical ideas.

            You can not make it with the log 13.
                                            2
            And your algorithm cannot realize 3 times.

            I think 3 times is too much and
            13 balls are very few.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin ~{AVgb~})
Subject: [Info] Table of Contents, HXWZ #90
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:38:58 GMT

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	HXWZ is a weekly electronic magazine in the Chinese language
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>From  CND-CM Executive Editor: Bao Ruixian < cnd-cm@sdsc.edu >

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                          (CND Chinese Magazine)
                                Issue #90
                             December 18, 1992

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