From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Clinton/Fonda
Organization: WP Group
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:26:27 GMT


Russell Lawrence writes:
rl> Gee Scott.  Just a week ago you were telling me that you were going
rl> to have me thrown off usenet.  Whatever happened to your plans?

From article <swood.722280564@vela>, by swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG):
sw> You turned around and symbolically slapped my face by saying that 
sw> your right to free speech supercedes any obligations or 
sw> regulations you are under in regards to the use of UseNet.  That 
sw> is BS.  Become accountable dammit.  What is wronge with some of 
sw> the people in this country that they always want to push things 
sw> off on someone else!  You broke net policy - I suggested you 
sw> don't - you were an ass about it - I reported.  

My criticism of your philosophy isn't a violation of net 
policy, especially when it sheds light on your misunderstanding 
of the terms "toleration" and "censorship".  For example, it's 
perfectly acceptable for me to address your (not-so-humble) opinion
that:

 -- everyone who voted for Bill Clinton is a "looney"
 -- businessmen who hire "feminists" and AR activists are "looney"
 -- Jane Fonda is a "traitor"

sw> That is fact - that is what happened and only what happened.  
sw> Don't try to fantasize more to it because there isn't.  I don't 
sw> want to be the personal policeman of the net, but if I see people 
sw> doing things wronge or against the rules, I am smart enough to 
sw> realize that the people in charge may not be omniscient in 
sw> nature.  So I watch out for the things that I care for.  I am 
sw> accountable for my own world.  If you can not deal with that too 
sw> damned bad.  

I can deal with it very easily.  Can you deal with the likelihood 
that the people-in-charge don't take you seriously?

sw> When I go out in the woods and see trash I pick it up - when I 
sw> see a slob hunter, I ask them to leave or refrain from their slob 
sw> activities.  Regardless whether they have a gun.  If I see a 
sw> permanent tree stand on state land, I tear it down.  It does not 
sw> make me a friend of slob hunters but it helps me sleep better at 
sw> night.  In the same way, if I see some usenet slob trying to 
sw> proliferate his own delusions of grandeur by abusing the concepts 
sw> of free speech and abusing all network guidelines in the process, 
sw> I am going to approach them with my opinion on the subject.  

Uh huh.  

sw> A little hint for you here - I don't like to snitch.  I prefer 
sw> not to as a lot of the net gurus are very busy people.  It is 
sw> only when the manner that such is handled is rude or 
sw> irresponsible in nature that I get on the horn and start going on 
sw> record - deal with it.  
sw> 
sw> You are an irresponsible jerk and a bully.  Knowledge is power, 
sw> its misuse is a crime against all those that fight so hard for 
sw> wisdom.  You lack wisdom Russell and even worse you lack commen 
sw> sense.  

Thanks for sharing, Scott.  I'd recommend that you contact the 
sysadmin at your site and have him/her explain what the phrase 
"posting email" really means. 

-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
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