HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: a.c.k. flame-fest.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:57:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.163026.17101@reed.edu> vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.053729.14554@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>>>>1] God, cant even smile without being questioned these days.
>>>>   The whole state was declared 100 literate after the missions,
>>>
>>>That's the whole point I am a little suspicious of these "100 literate"
>>>claims, there is  a catch or external factor in these calculation.
>>>How will the state be "100 literate" if there are new born children
>>>everyday, so there must be a qualifying factor like a certain age
>>>group for these calculations.
>>>
>>
>>1] Simple, if the kids dont know the three Rs at birth they get
>>   stamped "Rejected" and sent to the nieghbouring states.
>>   Where they sometimes achieve great fame and go under names
>>   like MGR and Phoenix.
>
>
>Sorry to burst the bubble Icarus, but both MGR and Phoenix, great
>they may be, are more of malayalis than of anything else. It might
>interest you to know that I have spent close to 1/3 rd of my life
>close to palghat, so I am personally sure that the state wasn't fully
>literate, Dammit give me credit for standing up to peer pressure and
>being illiterate.;-)
>

1] Damn, blame it on fate.
   Another 1/3rd of your life in Kerala, and we would have made a
   decent man out of you. Still, 1/3rd of your life in changi
   airport before it was constructed must have toughened your soul.
   SCI must be a cakewalk after that. :-)

>
>>   Stupid Question.
>>   Stupid Answer :-)
>
>    Irritating poster ;-) ;-)
[...]
>>
>>2] I am sure you must have enjoyed it.
>>    Nothing like old friends.
>
>
>    Yep nothing like old friends but unfortunately I still missed
>your company, they still seemed a bit too erudite for me.
>

2] Slight contradiction there.
   You have previously assured me they did not let you feel
   my absence.
   Benefit of the doubt.


[...]

3] Nothing like a nice little flame war to stir up the summer
   evenings.

4] Stay Cool.

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From: ranga@tungsten.Berkeley.EDU (N. Rangarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: MBA degree holders from India eligible for job in US?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:02:20 GMT
Reply-To: ranga@tungsten.Berkeley.EDU (N. Rangarajan)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

Hi,

I have a few questions about the MBA degree/diplomas awarded by Indian
institutions :

1) Are Indian MBA degrees valid as qualifications in so far as getting 
a management oriented job in US?

2) If the MBA degrees from India are not recognized here (US), then what 
options does one have if one wishes to come here and work in the management
side?.  If that implies doing the  MBA here again, then what would be 
the requirements?  Can any coursework be transferred? Are there any other
ways to reduce the amount of work required?

In regard to the above questions would the answers be any different if
the degree is from the IIM's or XLRI rather than some less known school?
Also I was under the impression that most Indian mangement schools
award a diploma rather than a degree.  Can anyone clarify this.

Please reply by email or post if you feel the questions are of general
interest.

Thanks for your help.

Ranga
From: visatsangi@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: New Around here? READ THIS!
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:02:20 +1000
Organization: Vassar College

 S C I   I N F O - D I G E S T.

These are the goals:
a. To prevent the waste of valuable bandwidth.
b. To prevent the waste of time by the users of SCI.
c. To create a permanent record of the fleeting posts to this news group.
d. To provide a useful source of information.

This is the operating structure:
I offer  this service for no pecunary or other interest. I  compile the 
*useful* and *non-short-term* information on immigration, investing,
ftp sites, whatever...that I come across in SCI as well as from other 
sources and add them to the file, SCID, on my account on the VAX 6220 computer
of Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY, which is in no other way be affiliated with 
the project. I post this message in abbreviated form ever so often on SCI. 

This is what you need to do:
Because I am only an F-1 student, far from immigrating and even further from
understanding the intricracies of living as a familied Indian in this country,
I shall only be compiling all this information. I author and edit as much of it
as I can, but there are limits to my knowledge. So please look below at the
proposed structure and, if you can, author an initial paragraph or chapter out
o the proposed structure. I also know that this will hardly get any response,
so I am also asking you to mail to me any replies to questions asked on SCI
that you give to people by email. Finally, I would also appreciate your
suggestions once(if) this project gets underway.

This is the proposed structure of the file:

Macro Structure:

A. Immigration : F, J, H, R, S and other categories of visas.
		Green Card and Naturalization.
			
			Microstructure of each category in this section:
			Terminology, FAQ, Tips and Case studies.
			*Also Q.&A. from the naturalization exam.
 
B. Getting along : Adjusting to American life, Addresses of Indian stores,
		Organisations, Useful Numbers etc.

			Microstructure of the categories on this section:
			Facts and figures, Reccomendations

C. Other junk : This is where the stuff that does not fit in above goes in.
			
			Microstructure of this section:
			Academic Institutions, Investing in India, Dealing with
			the Law, what have you.

Thank you for reading this far. Love and peace,

Vivek
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: txa8755@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jeffery Dahmer)
Subject: Charlie Mason Fan Club
Reply-To: txa8755@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:42:35 GMT

I am in Milwaukee area looking for some ethnic Indian 'food'.
Any seekers ???
-JD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: Changing role of women: A woman's perspective
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: world, smitra@sophia.smith.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:38:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.053106.21529@reed.edu> vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix) writes:
[...]
>
>Wait a second, accuse me of being naive, but could you tell me
>what's wrong with extra-marital relationships, or rather why
>you don't support extra-marital relationships.

1] Call me old fashioned, but I can not agree with what you are saying 
   here. Marriage by definition in my opinion, is a pact that 
   implicitly binds people to emotional and sexual fidelity.
   I could resort to empirical arguments and say infidelity 
   always breaks up the marriage. You could counter with so
   what ? To which I honestly have no answer.
   But of course you have more intelligence than that. :-)

   
   Pre-marital sex is a different issue. 

>
>Say you are in love with the most considerable and understanding
>man/woman in the world, and you get married. It later turns out 
>that your sex life is a wet cracker, what's wrong with getting just
>the sex part somewhere else. I mean sex could be just a physical action
>not necessarily a culmination of your love as one nettor put it.

2] There would be nothing wrong if you had entered into marriage
   with the clear knowledge that you would be willing to allow
   your spouse or yourself to "get the sex part somewhere else",
   hardly a marriage anymore in my eyes.
   Most marriages are not of this wonderful kind.
   
   I understand what you are trying to convey here.
   I agree if we could reduce sex to its bare physical
   essentials, we could have it equated to any other 
   body function like eating or drinking.
   And we would be rid of these tiresome restrictions.
   We could grab strangers in the mall and get on with it
   when the urge hits us. ( Wouldnt that be fun ?:-))

   But, sex is something that involves the ego, and has so
   many elements of power, submission, dominance and 
   posession mixed into it that it becomes vastly more
   complicated than a simple body function, and the average
   person treats it as something more.
   
   As for the "what if sex turns out to be a wet cracker",
   in my opinion the best thing to do, if things get that
   bad and you cant stand it, is to end the relationship.

   SCI is sure becoming a liberal place :-)
   

>
>Even masturbation after all is making love with oneself, that
>could technically be extra-marital would'nt you say ;-)

3] Hey, if things are that bad, maybe there is some merit in
   what you say. :-)

4] Stay Cool.

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From: ramani@saathi.ncst.ernet.in (S. Ramani)
Subject: Her gait, His `gat' !
Organization: National Centre for Software Technology, Bombay, India.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:55:41 GMT

FROM THE INDEPENDENT, BOMBAY, DATED 22 JULY 92 

  "Here is a tale told by a disciple of Ravi Shankar. 

The maestro was once sitting in the VIP lounge of an Indian airport,
waiting for Indian Airlines to decide on a propitious time to announce
an outrageously delayed flight. On such occasions, ordinary mortals
snooze, grumble, eat more snacks and drink more coffee than is good for
them, or set up a committee  to organize a gherao of the  duty
officer.  But Ravi Shankar sat peacefully, strumming his sitar.

Suddenly, his disciple, who was with him noticed that that the `gat' he
had been playing had changed. He looked at the maestro in surprise.
Ravi Shankar smiled and cocked an eyebrow in the direction of a young
woman passing by. The new `gat' was an  inspired musical expression of
the young woman's rhythmic walk !"

Standard Disclaimer: Posting of this item does not necessarily imply
  any interest at NCST in `gat's, rhythmic walking by anyone, and to 
  be on the safe side, in sitar.

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From: pvittal@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: May I suggest the Crick virus?
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:04:57 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE GET THESE TWO BUFFOONS OFF THE NET?
NOT ONLY ARE THEY DISPLAYING THEIR IMMATURITY TO THE ENTIRE READERSHIP, BUT
THEY ARE ALSO MISUSING THE NET. I DONT THINK THE NAME "SOC. CULTURE. INDIAN"
APPLIES TO THIS NEWS GROUP ANY MORE

ISNT THERE ANYONE WHO CAN ACT AS A MODERATOR OF THIS NEWSGROUP AND BLACKLIST
THESE MORONS?

pradeep
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Degrading social and political life.
Date: 24 Jul 1992 13:26:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <lbvxscg@rpi.edu> dea@jec306.its.rpi.edu (Anirban De) writes:
>

>
>>I remember, during the period following the emergency when the CPIM came to
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>power. Overnight we went from no loadshedding to prolonged stretches without
>>power.
>


>
>	This is not entirely true. I do remember long periods without
>power in Calcutta as far back as 1974-1975. Emergency standby lamps 
>had started becoming common household appliance around that time.
>

There was no loadshedding during the Emergency. I dont think you dispute that.
Yes there was loadshedding during 1974-1975 but was it for 14-16 hrs a day
that we grew accustomed to under Jyoti Basu's Govt.?

There are three new power plants in W.Bengal and a fourth one is proposed.
Yet apart from domestic restrictions on power consumption, even small
or medium industries were told to abide by timtables during which they
could draw power from the grid. Did you see this in 1974?

If the industries are closing down, why is there still a shortage of power?
It's simply because the CPIM controlled unions refuse to work and the party
tells them that they can get paid doing nothing. A truly benvolent "workers"
state.
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Meeting Arindam (was: Shape of the "Siva Lingam")
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:44:34 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Jul29.033122.25047@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>>The reason I am posting this on the net is to find out if
>>anyone has read a book entitled "The Gods of India: Hindu
>>Polytheism" by Alain Danielou, who has a number of other books
...
>>the other book "While Gods play: Man and the  universe according
>>to the Shaivite tradition."
>
>So dear Sthan, we meet again. Yes I have read that book. Compare Bahaullah
>with the Shiva who will come in a hidden form to resurrect religion. Though
>it doesn't follow all Danielou's interpretations about "The religion of the
>book" and "sexual orgies" it certainly has resurrected the central spirit of
>the Shaivism.
>Arindam

I wonder about the meeting part. But more later.

My question was more to find out if the book (Gods of India)
was a good read and free from gems of the type "Considering
that a child is dearest wish any Indian couple can have, it
is hardly surprising to find Indians worshipping human sexual
organs, in a symbolic manner." I found in a book on Indian
mythology by one Jan Knappert (sp?).

Your interpretations (of Danielou's interpretations) are not
quite sufficient to rule out the book, although the Bahaullah
reference may be.

---

Your meeting me again - I don't know what this meeting is like -
it was more like a disagreement last time. As for me, I see
your posts quite frequently (though not accidentally.) That
brings me to this summary so far of net.people's invitations
of fellow netters (I hope I am not misreading private 
communications over SCI):

Pramath Sastry      - Madras
Raghuram Murtugudde - Manhattan
Kannan Subramanian  - Fort Collins
Paul Chemmanoor     - Boulder
Arindam Ghosh ?     - Houston (1992+X+1: Calcutta)
Yours truly         - Washington DC (X+1: Bombay)

Did I miss anyone?

Sthan.

PS. How many netters have met a net.person? (of course, there is
the one case of the couple that met and married)
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From: puneet@ee.umr.edu (Puneet Grover)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Question on IIT Kanpur/IIT Delhi
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:21:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <BrwHC9.C21@ecf.toronto.edu> srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS) writes:
>In article <l708h7INN2j1@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> ghatak@cs.utk.edu (Subhendu Ghatak) writes:
 
 { deleted }

>
>>  Also what is the PIN code for IIT Kanpur and IIT Delhi please ?
>				^^^^^^^^	^^^^^^^^^
>				208016 		No idea! -> 110016 
                                                            ******
>>  Please reply to ghatak@cs.utk.edu
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From: subrahma@usc.edu (Sudhakar Subrahmanyam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.food
Subject: Marshmellow mold
Keywords: Marshmellow mold
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:08:35 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu


I am looking for a mold to make marshmellows of the order of a few hundreds. 
Could someone tell me where I could find such molds? I tried quite a few groceries and confectioners here in LA and also called KRAFT. Couldn't find one. 
I need the name and address of  the firm from which I could purchase one. 
Reply to:
subrahma@aludra.usc.edu
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Regarding RAW-Mossad Nexus to Fight Terrorism
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:28:13 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

jayasim@platypus.cis.ohio-state.edu (D Jayasimha) writes:

>for example, can provide.  As the recent events even in Israel show, long 
>term solutions lie in the path of roses, not guns.

>There is, in my opinion, a longer term fall out and that is the danger of
>Mossad trained RAW personnel being (mis)used for any kind of trouble that 
>is likely to brew in the country in the future.

The "Mossad path", IMHO, is to spread the word around that violent means
to bring about changes will not pay. If Punjabis don't like the way river
waters are distributed, stop selling grain to Center, stop movement of goods
across state borders, stop depositing money in govt. banks, but DO NOT
KILL PEOPLE. If Kashmiris feel oppressed, boycott all govt. institutions,
don't pay taxes, etc. but DO NOT KILL PEOPLE. Same for other states. Right
now, no matter how justifiable the demands of Punjabis or Kashmiris are,
accepting them will only prove that violence pays and encourage other
disaffected people to use violence as a political instrument.

Of course, the Mossad-RAW "stick" approach has to be accompanied by a "carrot"
approach. Neither "stick" nor "carrot" alone works.

Sumitro
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From: dharam@wpi.WPI.EDU (Dharmendra Khanolkar)
Subject: Re: Address of USEFI in Calcutta, Bombay, delhi and Madras
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.183033.14134@oracle.us.oracle.com> achoudhu@us.oracle.com (Akhil Choudhury) writes:
	[ Stuff Deleted...]

                 Does anyone know the exact address of United States
>Educational Foundation .. in Calcutta, Delhi, Bombay and Madras ?

Akhil,

	The addr of USEFI in Bombay is :

	USEFI,
	Sandeep Bldg, Marine Lines, Bombay 400001


Hope this helps..

Dharmen


-- 
Dharmendra Khanolkar,				( dharam@wpi.wpi.edu )
Worcester Polytechnic Institute,
Box #176, Worcester,
MA, 01609 Tel # (508) 831 5360
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From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:33:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0eOu6nO00WBMQ8D1At
	<15JUL199221092036@zeus.tamu.edu>
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'd like to add that Americans have to pay a lot for insurance too.
Besides, I have heard of instances where indians come here fall sick and
their sponsor fails to pay for their medical expenses(I don't know how
trhe sponsor was able to go scot free). Also, I have heard of instances
where people come on tourist visas and have babies. The U.S should have
a law against granting citizenships to such babaies.
From: murthy_j@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jayant Murthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:38:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhunix.1992Jul26.173841.18634
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


In article <1992Jul26.162128.7329@wpi.WPI.EDU> dharam@wpi.WPI.EDU (Dharmendra Khanolkar) writes:
>In article <819@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>>During Olympics opening cermony when India was marching,
>>Bob Castner of NBC commented in addition to oyher things
>>"... it(India) is such a poor country that it can't afford
>>to have an artificial turf surface for training its team ...".
>>Is it true that India can't afford to have a turf surface?
>>---Sreehari.
>Furthermore, if you have been a regular follower of NBC sports they do make
>a lot of such blunders in the info that they so "proudly" pass on. We had a
>nice time laughing at their ignorance especially during the NBA playoffs and
>finals. :) 
>
>Dharmendra
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                                       __  _-==-=_,-.                           

Unfortunately this type of remark cannot be simply laughed off. They do
considerable harm to the image of India in the eyes of the largely insular
and credulous public. I still remember being asked by fellow graduate
students if eating monkey brains and eels stuffed with live snakes was
common in India after the Temple of Doom.

After hearing these offhand comments, not only on India but on many other
countries, your typical viewer is going to nod sagely, look superior and,
if perhaps he has some authority, not hire the next Indian, not buy Indian
software, not travel to India on his vacation etc.

I have been irritated considerably by the attitude in, at least, teh local
media. It is not so much anti-India as patronizing and shallow. There are
continual concessions made to China and its economic and social(!) progress;
Kashmiri and Punjabi terrorists are treated on the same level as Palestinians
and the ANC.


Jayant Murthy
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From: anay_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Abhaya Nayak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: A Shocking Story of Love and Betrayal: Follow-up
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:45:12 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

***This is a follow-up to "A Shocking Story of Love and Betrayal". I just 
came to know that the court has asked Barbara Hidalgo to leave the apartment
she lives in within 3-4 days. She has not been able to sell her car by now.


***I thank many kind-hearted souls who have voluntered to help Barbara
in many ways. Some have wanted her home-address that Barbara was rather
reluctant to give. Now that she HAS to evict the place in a couple of days,
there is no point broadcasting her current home address. Please mail your
communications to her at her work address:

		Barbara Hidalgo
		C-7 Cooper Hall
		SUNY at Brockport
		Brockport, NY 14420



***If you are in the Rochester area and are looking for a car, please
contact Barbara at:

		BHIDALGO%BROCK1P.bitnet.CUNY.EDU

		(716) 637 0311 (home; soon to be disconnected)

		(716) 395 5891 (work; Mon: 8.30 am - 1 pm; Wed: 8.30 am -
			5.00 pm; Fri: 8.30 am - 5:00 pm EST)
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From: t9214309@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Shape of the "Siva Lingam"
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:42:52 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Dear Netters:
I am interested to know how the "Siva Lingam" got its peculiar shape.
Is there any particular reason why it is like that? Can anyone out
there give me background information on this? My email address is
		t9214309@phillip.edu.au
If there is a lot of interest, I will prepare a concise report and post it on
the net.
Thanking you in advance
Nagesh
                                     
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