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From:         SYOUNG@MSMAIL.LAW.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject:      onsearch file

In response to the request concerning the use of the on-search file... We do
create a list once a week of all item records with status "m" (missing).  Once
this list has been produced and items have been located we change their item
records to the correct status.
If anyone knows of a simpler way other than creating a list from all the item
records in the system (a potentially time consuming process) I would be glad
to hear from them.


Steve Young
Collection Management Library
Univ. of Texas at Austin Law Library
Austin, Tx 78705
SYOUNG@MSMAIL.LAW.UTEXAS.EDU
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From:         Diana Zipkin <zipkin@EQUINOX.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      Re: quiet printers
              92 10:05 am

> using Panasonics for years and have found they can stand up to most of what
> the patrons dish out and keep on ticking. We bought 35 of the parallel
> versions of the KX-P1123 at $239 per (although I've since seen them on sale
> at Micro Center for $199) and couldn't be happier!
>
Thanks Steve, I saw the message already (I subscribe to the
III list) and will see about trying one of these.

Diana
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From:         ALINE SOULES <USERLGCS@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      expiry date for patron records

Thanks to all who responded.  I received quite a number of them.  Expiry
dates vary considerably.  For students, the general practice is either to
use end-of-term expiry dates or end of school year expiry dates.  There
were situations where the library gave a few weeks at the end of each term
to allow students to get enrolled for the next one, which avoided the
problem of a student record expiring between terms.  One library set the
expiration date to 13/31/99.  After they, they create a review file of
seniors and rapid update their expiration date to the last day of the
current academic year.  They also get a list from the registrar of
students graduating in midyear (not many) and update as appropriate.

For faculty, the expiry date is generally either annual or "forever,"
i.e., 1999.  One library gives faculty 6 months with the ability to renew.
Because of the 6 month renewal period, the records are validated for
18 months from the start of each semester.

For affiliated borrowers, e.g., alumni, relatives of employees, whatever,
the loan period is generally one year from date of entry.  Some allow
renewal, some don't.

Again, thanks to all.

Aline Soules, Manager
Technical Services & Automation
Kresge Business Administration Library
K3330 School of Business Administration
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-1234
tel. 313-764-5532
e-mail:  userlgcs@umichum.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:18:52 EST
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From:         ALINE.SOULES@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      Use of color terminals on Innopac systems (Query)

We are a brand new site, so I'm not sure how much help I can be, but we
are using Unisys PW500's (286 machines) in our site--both for staff and
public.  The public version is not yet up (due first week in Jan.), but
staff have been working since the end of Sept.

What I'm trying to wrestle with right now are the colors that appear on
certain screens that have bold face.  I am talking primarily about browse
screens that appear in the OPAC itself.  One of them is almost all red
and pink!  And no one seems to be able to solve it as yet.  So if you're
going to color monitors, I suggest you investigate what colors you're going
to get on various screens before you make a commitment (I got free terminals,
which is why I have what I have).

Aline Soules, Manager
Technical Services & Automation
Kresge Business Administration Library
K3330 School of Business Administration
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-1234
tel. 313-764-5532
e-mail:  userlgcs@umichum.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:41:45 CST
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From:         David Lowe <DLOWE@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Unreasonable request

Because of a request from the office that is allegedly going to raise
the money for us to buy Innovacq/Innopac, I have a plea:

Will some kind soul out there fax us a copy a manual or users' guide that
they have produced for the public?  For unknown reasons, we seem to
need this immediately.

Yours in begging mode,

David Lowe
University of Ala Law Library
FAX: (205) 348-1112
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From:         Ron Ryan <rxr3@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Use of color terminals on Innopac systems (Query)

        Here at CWRU we use many platforms and VT100 emulation programs;
PC/IP, Mac/IP, ProComm, White Knight, Microphone, Passport, Windows 3.1
Terminal. The bold sticks on every one of them.
        (For what it's worth, during dial-in, you can leave your modem
connected and quickly restart your communications software to refresh the
screen and reset the font, but this doesn't work with any kind of Internet
software that I've found.)
        Maybe this would be a good one to add to the Innovative request
list? Is our functional expert out there listening?

Ronald S. Ryan (rxr3@po.cwru.edu)
Head of Integrated Library Systems
Library Information Technologies Dept.
Case Western Reserve University

  "The Library of the Future will be less a place where information is kept
than a portal through which students and faculty will access the vast
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:40:51 -0500
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From:         amyers@BU-PUB.BU.EDU
Subject:      Follow-up on Law Users Directory

Just a quick note to follow up Brian's posting of last weekend.  The
current version of the AALL Users Group Directory is available in
online form from the guest site at Washington and Lee.  It is current
through July 1992, so if you think you sent in corrections to the
original directory, you might want to check here to be sure.

To access, telnet to    liberty.uc.wlu.edu.  Login as "lawlib".  You
will then have a list of choices.  Select "9-->to Legal Sources" and
page through until you find the "Innovative (AALL) Users Directory".
I just checked it out and it really is there (somehow I don't quite
trust some of these tools that I KNOW I've used before).  It can be
retrieved as an e-mail file of text.

Thanks again for all your help.  We now return to our regular
discussions.


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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:16:00 EST
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From:         BROTHB@IRISHMVS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Ordering on Innopac

When we print our purchase orders (in the PRINT purchase
orders option), one of the menu options is "Set number of
COPIES to be printed.  Currently x copy."  You could change
this to 4 to get all of your copies.  I noticed in our
INNOPAC manual (v.4, p.99) that their example does not
include this menu option, so I'm not sure if this is something
that all the systems have and Innovative forget to update their
menu example or if the multiple copies option is something our
library had to request.
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From:         Margaret Guccione <MGUCCION@STLAWU.BITNET>
Subject:      check-in records for irregular receipts

Has anyone come up with a rational way to check in titles such as the
Rand reports, or the US Geological Survey publications, or any other
publication which fits this profile:

    --irregular publication schedule, no way to predict arrival, issues
      arrive in batches and bunches;
    --out-of-sequence issues the norm;
    --gaps in issue sequence which may or may not ever be filled
    --shelf miles of holdings

   One problem is how to denote enumeration and/or chronology in the LIB
HAS field. Do you try to list specific holdings (It would seem to be
impossible in some of these cases) or just say something like "Scattered
holdings"  with explanatory notes?  Or...?
   A thornier problem is what to do about check-in.  Attach multiple
cards to the record?  Complete a card and then delete and start over?
Has anyone come up with a good scheme?
We want to make sure the patron doesn't assume that we don't have
something that we *do* have because we haven't made it clear!
Thanks.

Margaret Guccione, Serials/Reference Librarian
St. Lawrence University
Canton, NY 13617
Bitnet: mguccion@stlawu
(315) 379-5483
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:02:35 -0700
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From:         "(Dan Mahoney)" <dmahone@HAL.UNM.EDU>
Subject:      capturing innopac to a file

If you want to capture a innopac session to a file.
Here is the easiest way I have thought of.
(* this is for ultrix users only *)
(* I have no experience with innopac specifically but I am
( assuming that it only runs on ultrix *)

1)engage the script command to make a script or capture log of the
  session.
  command is  script
  you will then get a % prompt

2) then do the session,, ie telnet wherever, or rlogin whatever

3) After you have logged out of session
   you will return to the % prompt
   DO A CONTROL D to terminate script (IMPORTANT) or it will run and
   run.
   After a control D you should see your old prompt.

4) the output of your session will be in a file called typescript.

5) then do the following command
    strings < typescript > filename
    then do a
	      vi filename
	      then hit escape followed by a colon then this command
	      from hell
	      %s/\[[0-9]*;[0-9]*H//g       (then hit return)
    this will rid a majority of the debris
    except for clear screens which are ^[[2J
    after you are done you can delete your typescript,

dan mahoney
centennial science and engineering library
university of new mexico nm
dmahone@hal.unm.edu
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From:         Shannon x 2245 <gruber@ALM.ADMIN.USFCA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: The "bold" problem

In regards to the bolding problem.  Our Mac's (using VersaTerm) were very hard
to read with the bolded text.  We have gotten around this problem by changing
the bold text attributes for bold (located under the emulation menue).  In
there you can change the color and style of a given type of text.  You may want
to see if other emulation software has this option.

Shannon Gruber
University of San Francisco, Law Library
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        What we at USUHS did was to make dummy patrons, check out the missing
or lost books to them, and then set the status flag to "m".  Overdue notices
allow us to doublecheck the shelves and other places in the library several
times before declaring a book lost and withdrawing it from the collection.
Most of our books show up on the first or second search, by the way.

        I tried another tact by setting the status flag to "m" but I couldn't
compile a list of books whose books were so marked.  The solution outlined
above is perhaps an inelegant one but it works quite well.

        Charles Kelley
        LRC / USUHS
        Bethesda, MD  20814

        CKELLEY@USUHS.BITNET
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From:         Lee Norden <norden@ANDY.BGSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The "bold" problem

Boy, I hope I can explain some of this in one email message.

A VT100 has 4 basic screen modes--reverse video, bold, underline and blink.

If none of these is active, the screen display is "normal".  III software
appears to turn on BOLD and leave it on, starting somewhere after the
first screen (mainmenu).  From then on, everything is displayed in BOLD
as the default, unless a screen area is highlighed by useing reverse
video and/or underline and/or blink.

Most terminal emulation software is written to take advantage of color
monitors.  The one I'm using today can display 16 different combinations
of foreground/background colors for the 16 different combinations of
reverse/bold/underline/blink.  (2x2x2x2=16)  I have noticed some III
screens the have 8 out of the 16 displaying at once.

PROBLEM:

When you run the color oriented software on a monochrome screen, you
can't see actual colors.  For example, on a black and white screen,
you can show black, white and shades of grey.  Sort of like watching
a color show on a black and white TV--it comes out as shades of grey.
Whether it's a green or amber or other type monochrome display, III's
screen will be translated into varying shades of intensity (of the
two basic colors).  In some cases, the "bold" will show up as a
fainter or lighter characters.  In the worst case, the foreground
and background will be mapped to the same "color", and the text becomes
invisible.

SOLUTION A:

Convince III to change their software to leave the screens in "normal"
(not bold) mode.  Not likely in the shortrun.  There are lots of
installed terminals and terminal users out there who are perfectly happy with
BOLD as the default.

SOLUTION B:

Get into the software that your computer(s) is using to emulate a
VT100 and change the "colors."  For example, tell it to display the
BOLD in the same "colors" as NORMAL mode displays.  This may not be
as easy as it sounds.  Each software package setup is different--
that's what makes it `better' than the competition.  :-/   Someone
else may have installed the software and left you with no knowledge
and/or documentation on how it can be changed.  The actual terminal
emulation software may be buried in a Windows-like environment that
supposedly makes it easier to use, but harder to install and maintain.
The software may be loaded on a LAN server somewhere where you can't
get to it, even if you want to.  Or, all of the above.  :-( :-(

Good Luck.

Lee


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From: 9625HOPWOODS@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU (SUSAN HOPWOOD)
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Subject: gateway software
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:54:05 GMT
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Colleagues:  We at the Marquette University Libraries are considering
whether to acquire III's gateway software.  I haven't seen discussion
of the public service issues on this list and I'm hoping some of you
who have added this feature might be able to relate experiences, pro and
con.

1) Do you limit the feature to certain terminals or logons?

2) If available system-wide, is there a problem of patrons leaving
terminals logged on to another opac? How do you get around this?

3) How did you pick what catalogs to provide a link to? Our campus VAX
mounted HYTELNET, for example, so we propose listing only local
catalogs or special sources like UNCOVER, for which we've purchased
a password.

4) How did you advertise the feature? Did you take on any training
responsibility or develop any handouts? While one or more of the sites
we'd list would be Innopacs, at least one important one (Univ. of
Wisconsin's NLS) is comparatively difficult to use and un-friendly
enough to require substantial handouts.

5) Bluntly, is this worth the $4500 one-time charge?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.  You can direct them to me and
I'll be happy to summarize for the list.  Thanks

Susan Hopwood, Head, Reference
Marquette University Memorial Library
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From:         huston1@HG.ULETH.CA
Subject:      Re: Use of color terminals on Innopac systems (Query)

I am delighted to see the queries regarding bold-face on colour terminals.
I'm using a Mac-LC, and now await eagerly a solution to this frustration I
thought I had to live with!
From: L_BILLS@OLDCC.BRYNMAWR.EDU
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we are not using the onsearch file.  Instead we create a list once
a month of books with status "m" or "z" (claimed returned),
sort by locatin and search.  After checking in any of hte books
we find, we re-do the list for the remaining m and z and (at least
in some libraries) rapid update with a note of the date of the
unsucessful search.  When we print out the search list each month
we include notes so we can see the search history and decide
when to declare something "lost".

We don't use the III onsearchfile becuase it includes only
things declared missing through the "claims rturned" or the
"holds" functions.  Sometimes it is easier just to use the
item edit function to set the "m" status - which does not put
the item on the list.  WE do clear the list once a month just to
keep it from getting too large.  Making the review file is
easy, so we just do that.

We also, once or twice a year, print a list of all books missing,
lost, claimed returned or "in transit" with a last revision date
more than two weeks old.  We search these by call number regardless
of location to find books which ended up in the wrong library
or never had their intransit status cleared for some reason.

Linda Bills
Tri-College Consortium
l_bills@oldcc.brynmawr.edu
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From:         "(Dan Mahoney)" <dmahone@HAL.UNM.EDU>
Subject:      how to unbold afterwards

the bold and unbolding are done by ascii escape sequence.
Here is what you can do.
vi a file
type i for insert then do
CONTROL v CONTROL ]]0m
thats a control v then a control right bracket followed by another
right bracket then a 0m
the control v allows one to type control characters in a file,
the control ] is the escape sequence.
If you have typed it correctly it should look like
^]]0m
then do a escape : wq and save the file call it unbold.
Now if you type
cat unbold
after you have done the innopac thing and
this should then disable the boldness after the trip
dan mahoney
centennial science and engineering library
univeristy of new mexico
abq nm 87131
dmahone@hal.unm.edu
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From:         "(Dan Mahoney)" <dmahone@HAL.UNM.EDU>
Subject:      those were vt escape sequences

the previous letter re: escape sequences was directed at mostly
vt users,
sometimes a vt escape sequence will work for a wyse and sometimes
it really screws up a wyse,
but I think the ^]]0m might work for a wyse.
I sorry, I don't have a wyse terminal handy at this time, nor do I
have a wyse manual handy
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From:         MARILYN MERCADO <MERCADO@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: onsearch file

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From:         Ron Ryan <rxr3@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: quiet printers

>I am interested in recommendations on quiet serial printers for use with
>INNOPAC, to be attached directly to VT420 type terminals.  Hopefully, they
>would be fairly sturdy, and under $400.00 .  Ideally they would be
>cheaper to operate than typical HP Thinkjet type printers.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John Rutherford
>Central Connecticut State University

        PANASONIC'S NEW KX-P1123! They use Panasonic's new Super Quiet
Technology (SQT). It's a 24-pin impact printer but runs under 43db and is
more like a quiet hum. We wrestled with the question of OPAC printers and
didn't like the speed or high maintenance costs of inkjets. We've been
using Panasonics for years and have found they can stand up to most of what
the patrons dish out and keep on ticking. We bought 35 of the parallel
versions of the KX-P1123 at $239 per (although I've since seen them on sale
at Micro Center for $199) and couldn't be happier!

p.s. You can also get a color option if you happen to want to do screen
dumps in rainbow colors :-)

Ronald S. Ryan (rxr3@po.cwru.edu)
Head of Integrated Library Systems
Library Information Technologies Dept.
Case Western Reserve University

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than a portal through which students and faculty will access the vast
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