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From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
	<1992Jul16.191213.23497@ads.com> <1992Jul20.234929.27639@ads.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:25:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.234929.27639@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

   ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix) wrote: 
   ->   What's the matter with you people???  Don't you know what those 
   ->   overhead bins are for?  Children are considered "Carry-On" Luggage.
   ->   Therefore, they belong in the overhead bin with it latched 
   ->   properly.  This is just MNSHO(my not so humble opin.)

   i guess this means that families with more than two children must
   check (N-2) children in the cargo hold?

You can also slide them under the seat in front of you.

L.
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From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:45:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.193416.27423@wpi.WPI.EDU> llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan  
Voon) writes:
> In article <92204.115718NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> Windsor A. Morgan  
<NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >I'm surprised nobody has talked about the USAir - British Airways deal
> >that was announced yesterday.  I don't know much about it (except what
> >I read in the papers :-), but it sounds like a good deal for USAir.
> >USAir could use the money, and British Airways could use the
> >connections into the US that USAir could provide.
> >
> 
> what i'm mainly interested in is whether anybody might have any idea
> about it's effect on the mileage program. this might be a concern
> since apparently the 2 airlines are going to share a common name.
> hopefully, the accumulated mileage will still be respected.
> 
> lok

The papers I have read all state that the airlines will remain seperate in  
name, and will only share some operations/passengers/administration.

This entire thing has just been a press release so far; taking what the  
media (or airlines) gives us at this stage is probably a little premature.

On the surface, the benefit for USAir is large: increased traffic by  
channeling passengers to BA gateways, financial backing by BA, and an  
opportunity to strengthen operations nationwide from its now eastern-only  
domination.
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From: Graeme.Hart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Info on Garuda Indonesia Airlines
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:56:24 GMT

In article <92204.110649JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> I thought I posted but didn't see it on the list so apologies if this
> is a 2nd posting.  I have a friend leaving this weekend on a vacation
> which will take her on Garuda Airlines.  She hasn't found out much
> information on the reliability of the airlines.  Any information would
> be appreciated to make her vacation less stressful.  Thanks.


Tell your friend not to worry, Garuda is one of the largest airlines in
the world!! (A little known fact).  For the skeptics, the reason is that
Indonesia is made of up so many little islands, that they have lots of
routes just to handle internal traffic.

The only thing I didn't like on Garuda was if that you were on a flight
to/from an Asean country (Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, Thailand etc...),
the cabin crew are basically just doing domestic routes, and they are
a bit slow, and not as good as the crew that do the routes such as Jakarta
to London.

Their flights also usually leave on time (unlike Continental...).


Graeme
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From: rkimm@ameris.ameritech.com (Robert L. Kimmel)
Subject: Bumpy Ride (was: Best Airlines)
Organization: Ameritech, Hoffman Estates, IL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:40:42 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>so?  this happens on all sorts of aircraft all the time.  happened to
>me when i went to sydney in april on a UA 747 ...  bumpy rides happen;
>sometimes they can't be avoided.

And sometimes they are to be welcomed.  A few years back, I traveled to Kenya
with a small group.  One of the group members was a very loud, rude obnoxious
person;  he complained about everything, and by the end of the trip everyone
was tired of listening to him.  On the transatlantic flight home, we ran into
turbulence, and several people were secretly pleased that one particularly
bad bump caused this person to soak himself with his drink.

BK
rkimm@ameris.center.il.ameritech.com
From: llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir/British Airways Deal
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:34:16 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <92204.115718NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I'm surprised nobody has talked about the USAir - British Airways deal
>that was announced yesterday.  I don't know much about it (except what
>I read in the papers :-), but it sounds like a good deal for USAir.
>USAir could use the money, and British Airways could use the
>connections into the US that USAir could provide.
>

what i'm mainly interested in is whether anybody might have any idea
about it's effect on the mileage program. this might be a concern
since apparently the 2 airlines are going to share a common name.
hopefully, the accumulated mileage will still be respected.

lok
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AA - Citibank Visa/Mastercard
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:28:32 GMT
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.


>I've managed to run up over 40K miles in the past year - there is a
>50K mile/year limit - my wife and I are about to get one for her in her name
>so we can exceed that if we have the financial bandwidth.

50k limit?  My parents and I each have the card.  It's not worth it for
me (except that I get even with the $50 annual fee by taking advantage
of Purchase Protection (but that's another story)).

My parents charge well over 50k per year (it's used for business reimbursements
) and have not run into a limit....


David Andersen
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From: aap@cs.brown.edu (Andrea A. Pietracaprina)
Subject: interesting airline book
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:05:43 GMT

Hello everyone,

I recently came across a (in my opinion) very interesting and well done
book:

Paul K. Martin: The Airline Handbook  (P.K. Martin Ed.)

It gives essential (yet detailed) informations about virtually
any commercial airline in the world. The last edition is 1987
which might be a little bit outdated, since the airline world
changes so fast, however i heard that a new edition should come 
out soon maybe 1993. 

  I would be interested in hearing comments from anyone who
read the book. Thanx

-andrea
From: skoehler@tangelo.usc.edu (steffen koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Tix Transfer Help!
Date: 24 Jul 1992 13:16:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tangelo.usc.edu

In article <seQ1Ayy00iUxE2C0UY@andrew.cmu.edu> ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Ambroziak) writes:
>Does anyone know of specific situations where someone has had trouble
>using a ticket with someone else's name on it?  I am looking into buying
>a pair of Northwest tickets from someone and am worried that they'll ask
>for I.D. when I try to board.  I flew last spring on American and had to
>show I.D. on both ends.  Is this a random thing or do some airlines
>check routinely or more often than others.
>
>Please let me know as soon as possible.
>
>Thanks, John


Don't do it.  Uh-uh.  Bad idea, unless you can get the person who's name
is on the ticket to check in for you both times.  I sat watching last
month in Detroit as the Northwest woman kindly but firmly told someone
that she just wan't getting on that plane, and quoted her the fare for
a one-way ticket with no advance purchase.

The woman with the ticket hadn't been carded on the outbound flight, but
they checked on the return.  I've heard of this happening before.  Ultimately,
the woman did get on the next flight, but only after she called NW
customer relations and gave them a sob story about caring for an elderly
woman and her children -- total B.S. -- and crying a lot.  [I met her
on that next flight and she told me her story.]

So unless you've got the spare cash to get back home, I wouldn't risk it.

                           Steffen
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From: barrk@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Keith S. Barr)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Little Planes
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:20:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

On 28 Jul 92 15:16:03 GMT, gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) said:
> soundproofing technology and the advent of the turbofan engine (and
> its increased noise), a turboprop aircraft is not appreciably noisier
> than a modern jet...

Turbofan engines are much quieter than older turbojet engines.

Keith Barr
barr@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:31:41 GMT

In article <920729.1711169372@foucault.postmodern.com> mcb@foucault.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) writes:
>Aeroflot offers three classes (F/C/Y) on most
>international flights, including FRA-SVO, CDG-SVO, LHR-SVO, PRG-SVO, and (I
>thought) ZRH-SVO.  You can obtain published fares for these flights
>and book space on Eaasy Sabre.  Whether they actually correspond to
>different seating cabins and/or level or service is another story, of
>course.
>
>I do know that on Boeing and Airbus aircraft that Aeroflot has
>acquired (I don't know if they have any new Boeings, but they do have
>new A310s) there are the usual 2 or 3-class seating cabins.  However,
>I have seen seating charts of Tu-134, Tu-154, and IL-86 aircraft that
>are clearly laid out in a one-class configuration.

Tu-154 has a larger distance between seats in its front cabin (assigned for
both of better classes, the first class seats being adjacent to pilot's
cabin). It might be a specific modification designed for international flights,
since there's no distinct classes at domestic flights.

I bet that IL-86 has separate cabins too. Generally, it's a bit more
advanced plane if compared with Tu.

	D
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: TWA
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:47:15 GMT

In article <22JUL199210520053@ucis.vill.edu> 185422285@ucis.vill.edu (Clinton and Gore in 92) writes:
>A question for anybody following the saga of airlines. What condition 
>is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug. I have a trip which I 
>will be using my father's ff miles. Also, for a trip from Philadelphia
>to Paris thru New York on the NY-Paris stretch what plane will 
>most likely be used.

TWA will probably be around then, and probably for quite some time.
Anyway, none of us are fortune tellers.

As for the type of plane that will be used on your flight, TWA
customer service agent is probably the best person to ask -- TWA has
most likely assigned a plane already!  Call TWA, give the agent your
flight information, and the agent will be able to tell you the
aircraft type that is being used.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Standby & Bumping queue order (was: Bumping)
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <16834F12A.LHAAS@kentvm.kent.edu> LHAAS@kentvm.kent.edu (Leslie M. Haas) writes:
>I know I was the first to volunteer because I asked the lady if they
>were going to be bumping and she said yes and asked if I wanted to
>volunteer.  I asked how many were ahead of me and she said nobody.

Well, when they were busy calling the names  of those being bumped you
should have gone up to find out why you were not being called, as your
name was on the top of the list.  I had this happen  to me once.  They
didn't believe me until one person found my ticket with a big "1" in a
circle *under* all the others...

...Or perhaps  the rules on  bumping for the  airline in  question are
similar to those  for  standby.   I  *KNOW*  that if  you've   got  an
el-cheapo ticket and  are the first one  to  sign up  for standby that
someone with a full  fare  ticket is most  likely going to get stuffed
ahead of you in the line.

Just remember,  nobody  said  they were doing any  of  this on  a FIFO
basis...
						reb
From: 185422285@ucis.vill.edu (Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: TWA again
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:31:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Does anybody have any details about the TWA L1011 accident in New York.
It was a flight going west. 


Thanks

alec

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Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3688 misc.forsale:22523
From: ashokkum@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ashok Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.forsale
Subject: First Class Upgrades
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:33:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA


I have the following first class upgrades for trade or sale (best
offer takes them!)


Northwest one-way confirmed Space first class upgrade
     - valid on any published fare excluding Q, V, and K
     - good within continental US or Canada
     - expire 8/31/92
     - Quantity: 2

Alaska Round Trip confirmed space first class upgrade
     - valid with Y or B published fare
     - valid anywhere Alaska Airlines flies
     - expire 10/31/92
     - Quantity: 2

Northwest one-way confirmed Space first class upgrade
     - valid only on published fares in Y class
     - good within continental US or Canada
     - expire 9/30/92
     - Quantity: 2
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From: hoyme@src.honeywell.com (Ken Hoyme)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:01:53 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.191325.15353@leland.Stanford.EDU> valardin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Heck) writes:

>>I would prefer more that two engines!  I have heard of cases where the
>>plane has returned to departure point due to the loss of an engine.  I
>>doubt if the first plane that has two engines fail will make back --
>>still aircraft float for a long time don't they?
>>
>>Charles


> I read somewhere that as part of FAA transocean certification aircraft
> have to be able to glide without power at a 1 to 10 glideslope, that
> is glide ten feet forward for each foot of altitude lost. That should
> enable them to land safely without any engine power. Of course it
> would me no room for errors.

> Stefan

So, from 35,000 feet (7 miles) they could glide 70 miles??  There would
not be too many flights over the ocean that keep you within 70 miles of
land at all times.  As I understand it, the route from LA to Sydney
never comes closer than 100 miles to land after leaving the coast of the
US.  (Of course, the only plane capable of that distance has 4 engines.) 

Glide ratio with both engines out does not in any way relate to ETOPS
(Extended Twin-engine Operations) certification.  The idea is *not* to
loose both engines.  

ETOPS certification relates to the reliability of the underlying systems
(particularily the engines themselves) as demonstrated through actual
usage.  ETOPS is typically granted for 120 or 180 minutes, which means
that the plane can venture that many minutes away from an alternate
landing sight.  

The B767 has been in operation for over 10 years now and has an
excellent reliability record.  Only one loss in that period, and that
loss was by no means related to ETOPS issues.


-- 
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From: doetzl@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Joe Doetzl)
Subject: For Sale: 2 rt Denver-Columbia,SC
Followup-To: doetzl@spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:59:00 GMT


For sale 2 rt tickets Denver, CO to Columbia, SC.

Depart: 5 August 1992 
Denver Delta flight 764 --> Atlanta flight 794 --> Columbia

Depart: 11 August 1992
Columbia Delta flight 1659-->Atlanta flight 227-->Dallas flight 587-->Denver

Conditions:  1 male, 1 female, purchased during recent 1/2 price fair
             wars, $350 obo

--JoE
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:42:37 -0400 
From: Karin Berger <kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Info needed IMMEDIATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please help!

Does anybody know if there is a possibility to use the return flight of
a round trip ticket when the first flight is unused.

(I want to fly SF to Pittsburgh also I did not fly Pittsburgh SF)
Any ideas on that would be greatly appreciated and I need to know this
RIGHT NOW.

Karin
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From: prking@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Peter King)
Subject: Ticket for sale -- Winnipeg - Toronto.
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:49:21 GMT

Ticket for sale from Winnipeg, Manitoba to Toronto.  (one-way)

Date of travel: Sept 2, 1992.

Traveller should be female.

$75.00 obo.

Reply by email to <prking@cs.UManitoba.ca> or call 204 488 8892.

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:13:25 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti) wrote: 
->I feel it's important to point out that the topic here is crying BABIES.
->One cannot reason with babies, neither verbally nor by application of
->force to fanny.

then apply the force to the parents, who should know better than to
take an infant aboard an aircraft for a long flight.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: TWA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:42:50 GMT


>The same rumors have been here in Germany. It sounded like BA would
>give lots of $$$$ to USAir to buy TWA. But nothing has been comfirmed
>right now. TWA still has lots of A330/340 contracts and will be one
>of the first users of these airplanes.

I would assume that this is the primary reason that Brit Air has an
interest in USAir.  Let's look at USAir in comparison to the other
airlines.  First, USAir has East Coast routes and cities.   All of
the cities of significance on the West Coast, Brit Air already flies
into (LAX, SFO, SEA, etc).  Among the less financially sound airlines
(NW, AmWest, USAir, CO), USAir is the only one with significant
presence in the East that is not a [strong] competitor with them in
the xxx-LON route.  There is no way that the gov't would let them
acquire an airline that had lots of flights to London already because
(even though it's regulated) the other airlines (inc. Virgin) would
scream foul because Brit Air would, once again, dominate the market!

Second, I don't know for sure (no flames!), but I'm pretty sure that
(a) Brit Air can't buy TWA (because it's American) and (b) Brit Air
can't grab the rights to the planes.  I would bet that part of what
Brit Air is going to get from the deal is the planes.

>
>Same way with Lufthansa. Is USAir really that attractive?

USAir is the "most attractive" of all of the possibilities.
Other possibilities:
   CO: Continental.  IN bankruptcy now.  Perspective buyers have
       been looking at them for awhile.

   HP: America West.  What fool would buy an airline that is in
       direct competition with SouthWest for a hub?  Further,
       because their primary hub is in the West, people flying
       from LON to DisneyWorld are not going to want to cross
       the country after a polar flight!

   NW: Northwest.  Somehow I can't imagine BA being interested
       in an airline that flies to such picturesque cities
       as DET and MSP.  The two cities just don't have the customer
       base now, nor do they have people interested in flying to
       London.

   US: USAir.  Somewhat ok financial standing....except for the
       recent move around when Colodny left (Pres?).  Hub is
       in the East Coast, which is good for all of the cities
       that BA wants to fly to, but can't because they simply
       can't get the "number" of flights into the cities.
       I'm referring to: Boston, Philadelphia, PIT (of course),
       and just about anywhere else on the East Coast that's not
       JFK or IAD.



....just an opinion.  (I can *feel* the flames coming....)


David Andersen
UC Irvine


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