From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Peace
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:29:23 GMT

In <C0r82x.7MI@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
>In article <43376@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:
>>> eng10511@nusunix1.nus.sg (RAM VIKASH TIWARY) writes:

>>>	I would not for example regard PLO actions against Israeli
>>>soldiers as terrorism for the simple reason that the Palestinians have 
>>>no peaceful options to opose Isreal. The same is not true for the IRA. 

The truth is (1) the PLO might not *see* peaceful options, but they
exist.  And (2) EVERY terrorist organization justifies itself that way.
The IRA claims that there aren't any peaceful solutions to it's problem,
either.

>>	There *are* peaceful options.
>>	The peace between Israel and Egypt suggests the
>>	possibility that a peace could be concluded, e.g.,
>>	along the lines of the Proposal below, which has been
>>	supported in spirit by 40 tpm readers
>>	(4 more since it was reposted last month).
>>**********************************************************************
>>We support the Middle East peace negotiators in their all-important role, 
>>and the following proposal is not intended to advise or second-guess them.
>>Rather, it is intended to suggest one of many possible courses for
>>compromise and peace.

>>                   A PROPOSAL FOR PEACE  (October, 1991)
>>Israelis, Palestinians and neighboring Arab states will begin
>>by formally acknowledging each other's legitimate right to coexist
>>peacefully in respective states.  This entails official revocation
>>of the contrary passages in the PLO Charter.  Simultaneously, Israel
>>will revoke laws proclaiming the PLO as a terrorist organization,
>>and will negotiate with the PLO along with other Arab representatives,

>    Do "other Arab representatives" include representatives of HAMAS?

If they're willing to renounce violence and accept the principles of
this peace proposal, sure.

>>with the goal of complying with UNSC Resolution 242.  An
>>independent Palestinian state is to be established on all or most
>>of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.  

>    I did not think so, for HAMAS does NOT support UNSC Resolution 242,
>    they want is to wipe out Israel and establish Islamic Republic 
>    of Palestine with the capital in Jerusalem.  This is probably
>    why more "Palestinians" support HAMAS nowadays.

First of all, you might want to explain where you got this "fact" from.
(About what more Palestinians support.)

Then, to be fair, you might want to note that Israel helped support Hamas a
couple of years ago, in order to prove that the PLO was NOT the sole
legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

>> There are to be firm international
>>guarantees of security through demilitarization and peacekeeping
>>measures.  At the start of negotiations, the Arab boycott against
>>Israel will be lifted and Israeli settlement activity in the
>>occupied territories will cease.  At the conclusion, there should
>>be cultural exchange and economic development enhanced
>>by flourishing trade in the spirit of newfound friendship.

>    Here's a somewhat more realistic peace programme:

>        1) inhale
>        2) close your eyes and pretend that HAMAS does not exist
>        3) if no HAMAS, add your name to the list below, else goto 1)
>        4) enjoy your stay in the fool's paradise, while you can

The White Aryan Resistance (or some equally ridiculous organization)
exists (in the US) too, and wants to violently overthrow the US
government and set up an Aryan state with the capital in Washington.  

That doesn't make them a threat to do so, however.

And I don't see why HAMAS changes the fundamentals of this peace proposal.
They're a small bunch of loonies, exploiting the frustration of the
average Palestinian.  If the reasons for that frustration disappear, so
will HAMAS's support.  And no, I don't think Israel is the real cause of
that frustration.  I think the occupation is, as is poverty.

>>The undersigned support the spirit of the proposal for peace.

>>Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh              Dr. Barry M. Kingsbury
>>Mary Appelman                       Hanan Lutfiyya
>>Rabbi Charles Arian                 Lisa Majaj
>>Hussein G. Badr                     Brendan McKay
>>Gordon Banks                        Hans D. Meurer
>>Todd Bernhard                       Ziad Najem
>>Steven Berson                       David Marc Nieporent
>>Bob Blackshaw
>>Seth Bradley                        Eric Perlman
>>Habeeb Dihu                         Ray Ravelo
>>Ron Evans                           Brian Ross
>>Ron Feigen
>>Robert Firth                        Joel Sax
>>Shai Guday                          D.C. Sessions
>>                                    David Shalhevet
>>Barrak Mohammed Hadi                Amos Shapir
>>Basil Y. Hamdan                     Adam Shostack
>>Nevo Y Hed                          Ben Singer
>>Kurt Heycke                         David F. Skoll
>>Bharathi Jagadeesh                  Pekka Taipale
>>Sari Khoury                         David Weinstein
>>                                    Ilan Uri Woll

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