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From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: braxton & lewis (was: Re: JAZZ TROMBONE)
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:46:55 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu


Me:
> >I agree with Curt. (Funny, I was just listening to the Curt Newton/
> >Ken Vandermark duets again this morning. Review later.) While I like

Jeff Beer:
> Hey, are they the ones I recorded?  From the Southend?

They are from Southend, so I guess they are the ones. Came out really
well!

And on Braxtons:
> Speaking of duets, if you can find the Sackville record TRIOS AND DUETS,
> get it.  Braxton does THIS SONG IS YOU, EMBRACEABLE YOU, YOU GO TO MY
> HEAD with Dave, and they are stunning.  Very subtle and interactive, and
> they keep the form!

Yup, it's lovely stuff! In a somewhat similar vein, check out the 
version of No Greater Love on Circle's Paris Concert.

Bill
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From: acgd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (andrew.charles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Compiling list used jazz record stores
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:07:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Oct15.220704.25798
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In article <1992Oct13.214446.9856@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) writes:
>A comprehensive list of r.m.ber's recommended record and CD stores worldwide
>is posted here regularly and available via ftp. I am forwarding a copy to
>the original poster who, hopefully, will email me any updates he has.

Also remember to look on rec.music.info. There are lots of useful lists.
Everything is updated and reposted regularly.

Andrew Charles
acgd@ihlpl.att.com
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Jazz History/Books&Collections
Keywords: books,history
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:11:14 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct11.203759.28690@networx.com> mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere) writes:

>However, I still want to know what the formative recordings are, any why.
>The tales of the sessions, and the musician's lives are always fascinating.

Try Miles Davis' autobiography if you want something more anecdotal and
less technical. This is in NO way a dry book, tho of course it carries
Miles' personal baggage throughout.


>Further,  Tirro continually references the Smithsonian Collection of
>Classic Jazz.  Is this indeed the reference work?  Is it out on CD

Yes, its out on CD. If you're looking for older jazz, this collection is
good, but for newer stuff, its quite lacking. Eg it has multiple pieces
by Louis Armstrong, but only one by John Coltrane (Alabama--a beautiful
piece, but hardly representative of the Trane).
From: jmh@morgana.pubserv.com (Jeff Helgesen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: JULIAN PRIESTER AS LEADER?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:42:47 GMT


In <1992Oct8.060627.9007@leland.Stanford.EDU>, ghosal%navier@csrd.uiuc.edu
(Sarbajit Ghosal) writes:

> Is any netter aware of any recording by the trombonist Julian Priester
> leading his own group? I am acquainted with his work only thru Sun Ra
> and Dave Holland.

I don't know about him as a leader, but I think I recall him
appearing on the Philly Joe Jones album "Drums Around The World".
He also appears on Freddie Hubbard's "Hub Cap".

							Jeff
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From: sit@cae.wisc.edu (Kin Sit)
Subject: Sonny Rollins
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison studentst
     Say, has anyone heard Sonny Rollins play live recently? I missed the 
             Thanx. 
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From: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Subject: Re: braxton & lewis (was: Re: JAZZ TROMBONE)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:32:40 GMT

plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer) writes:
[..Braxton..]
> name so often in this forum, I just bought my first disc of his.  I am
> still persevering, but I find it tough going.  Somewhat too angular,
> free for my ears.  Of course, I have only played it four times by now,
> so it may yet grow.  The disc in question is "Five Compositions
> (Quartet) 1986".  From my expedition to the store, I know that this
> title is typical of his work, but is the music?

I'd say the music is very typical of his quartet work. I think it's a great
album (but his quartet music especially thrills me to no end). Stick with it -
Braxton is complex, but rewarding! It's not so much a question of Braxton
growing on you, but your growing into Braxton. :) We all have to do it
sometime in our lives. ;-)
-- 
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| Dept. of Space Physics and Astronomy  |                                     |
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| [vek@spacsun.rice.edu]                |        Braxton on his Comp. 69C     |
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Robben Ford fans
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:13:50 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.130231.4877@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl> templon@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jeffrey Templon) writes:
>
>He can be heard on the new album too!  Smitty Smith (right name?) plays
>keyboards on the same cut.
 
Cool.  Anyone have a Robben Ford discography?  My old roommate, a musician,
started playing "Talk To Your Daughter" with a one of his bands.  I don't
recall which album that one was from but it was a good one.

>>style most closely resembles earlier Larry Carlton, perhaps with a bit more
>>touch of the blues.
>
>Larry Carlton???  I guess I haven't heard enough Larry Carlton, all I
>know is the theme song he did for some TV series plus a few old numbers.
>Can you give us some CD recs on Larry??
 
I'd recommend his first two solo releases.  The first was untitled and released
in 1978 and the second "Strikes Twice" was also quite good. I'm not that
familiar which much of what he has done after that.

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From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Art Pepper collection
Organization: NetWorx
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:12:13 GMT

Some months back, at a local CD store, I noticed an Art Pepper boxed
set.  At $245, there was no chance I'd be walking out of there with it.
I already had "Modern Art", and "The Art of Pepper", and I really, really,
love them.

Now the great part, with my repeated playings of them, my wife has come
to love them too!  This means I won't be shot if I get the set!

My question is, does anyone know the box set I'm talking about?  (I'll
try and get the real title and post it here.)  Does it have everything-
one-could-ever-want from Art?  Is it a bunch of junk?  Does it encompass
his entire career (all his work that I know is the late 50's)?  Did he
change directions after the 50's and this collection is on the later
material?  etc...







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From: KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu (Karl Nordstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,news.groups
Subject: Re: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:54:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella) says:

>As for reading news.announce.newusers being the "manual" and new users being
>stupid for not reading the manual, might I observe that not everyone is told
>right from the beginning "this is how USENET works".  Many people are handed
>a handwritten sheet of instructions on using "rn", or learn from asking the
>guy to him, as not all systems have man pages for all software installed on
>them, and not all man pages for all newsreading software packages mention
>news.announce.newusers.

Not all systems run Unix and Man.  Some of them run VMS, VM or MVS.
From: bo304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Erik Jul)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Tribal Tech
Date: 13 Oct 1992 13:02:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm only familiar with the recent, self-titled release "Tribal
Tech."  I would describe this music as "attack jazz."  It's
definitely in your face, often "impolite," and sometimes angry,
but the high-charged album is a marvelous balance of guitar,
bass, keyboards, and percussion, each of which is strongly
represented.   

Scott Henderson's guitar work reminds me, in some respects, of
Jeff Beck--he takes the instrument into new territory.

I greatly enjoy and would heartily recommend "Tribal Tech" for
those who enjoy searing jazz guitar.  But be warned: it burns!

--Erik
ekj@oclc.org
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: FRED FRITH at the Knitting Factory
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:32:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Oct7.104401.2824@nic.csu.net> hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu writes:
>
>As far as I can remember (that's I'm not remembering much these days),
>you can sample more guitars-on-the-table Frith in the three sets of
>Guitar Solos (Vol.2 and 3 are compilations with some of the most
>important free improvising guitarists of our time). I believe much
>of this material has been reissued on CD, you lucky dogs.

There is a single _Guitar Solos_ CD on ESD which is all Fred.

Has _The Guitars on the Table Approach_ (Vol. 1 & 2) been reissued on CD? 

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry 
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: MINGUS favs.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:29:02 GMT

acosta@smaug.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Acosta) writes:
>>I am about to expand my Mingus CD collection (stands at 1 for the moment) and
>>would like to know people's favourites (and one's to avoid). Any good CD box

>Two Mingus albums that I would highly recommend are 
>	"Ah Um" -Columbia CD

I suspect this one isn't available now, but if it is, don't buy it yet:
Mosaic is supposed to come out with a package on the Mingus Columbia
records from that period. That should include both AH UM and MINGUS 
DYNASTY (which were later combined in the two-fer BETTER GIT IT IN
YOUR SOUL). It should also include the alternate material released
in another 2 LP set called NOSTALGIA IN TIMES SQUARE, which was
cut out almost as soon as it was issued (i. e., before I had a chance to
buy it, even though I am a mingophile). I don't know what else is
there, but I'm hoping for another version of FABLES OF FAUBUS. The
Columbia release only had the "sanitized" version without the lyrics
because Columbia was afraid of anything poloitical (even though they
did rellease more political stuff from Dylan not much later). I
don't know if he recorded it with the lyrics (hopefully) and then
had to re-record, or if Columbia knew what it was in advance and he
just recorded the instrumental version.

There is a version with the lyrics (not completely audible) on
either CHARLES MINGUS PRESENTS CHARLES MINGUS or the companion
release (I have both in a 2 LP package from Barnaby that doesn't
identify the original releases).

>	"Three or Four Shades of Blue"

This is one of the few Mingus albums I would put pretty far down on
the recommended list. It was his one attempt to bring in a bit of
blues oriented fusion (at the insistence of Columbia), and guitarists
Larry Coryell and Philip Catherine are added to a larger ensemble. It's not
bad music, (and those of you who got into jazz through fusion will
probably disagree with my comments), but I don't think it is the essence
of Mingus. In fact, Mingus did not want it released after he heard the
tapes, but Atlantic released it anyway. It then turned out to be his
biggest seller.

If I had to pick only a few Mingus albums (a difficult task), I'd
go for:

Pithecanthrpus Erectus (the on one Atlantic from 1956)
Blues and Roots (Atlantic)
Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus
Mingus In Europe (enja)
Let My Children Hear Music (Columbia)
Changes I and Changes II (both Atlantic from 1974, and still out of
     print as far as I know)

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
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From: blave@netcom.com (David W. Blevins)
Subject: Re: BLUES: New Stevie Ray Vaughan CD
Keywords: blues SRV guitar
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:38:46 GMT

I heard four songs off the new SRV (LSV?) album on the radidio a couple
weeks ago...  My main observation was that the bass player he had back
then had a pretty boring style - not nearly as slick and interesting
as Mr Shannon...

Blave.
From: ericl@miles.esd.sgi.com (Eric Linstadt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: JAZZ TROMBONE
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: ericl@miles.esd.sgi.com (Eric Linstadt)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Entry Systems Division

Another lazy addition...

> Frank Lacy
> ==========
> I think he's an underrated player. He's been a part of some AACM
> groups and most recently on Murray's big band album.
> 
> As a leader:
>         None
> Also plays on:
> Bowie, Lester - Brass Fantasy - Avant Pop                        (ECM
1986, CD)
> Hemphill, Julius - Big Band                         (Elektra Musician
1988, CD)
> Murray, David - Big Band conducted by Lawrence "Butch"  (DIW Columbia
1991, CD)

  Yeah! He's alright!  I'll recommend his playing on Ralph Petersen's
"Introducing the Fo'tet", and on a Marty Ehrlich quintet date whose
name escapes me.  Incidentally, both discs feature Billy Strayhorn's
"Johnny Come Lately", really a swinging little number.  Since he's the
only one in common between the two dates, I'll bet it was in his book...

-Eric
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Re: JAZZ TROMBONE
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:30:50 GMT

In article <BvtCrJ.E6E@fc.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:

>: >JAZZ TROMBONIST RECORDINGS THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO
>: 
>: A range of people to look for include
>: 
>: 	Kid Orey -- an oldie
>: 	Kai Winding -- contemporary of JJ
>: 	Bill Watrous
>: 	Urbie Green -- has anyone ever seen him on record?
>: 	Ray Anderson
>: 	Roswell Rudd -- see recent posts
>: 	Glenn Ferris -- used to be with Don Ellis
>

My God!?  Where's Jack Teagarden on this list?  Louis Armstrong himself called
Jack Teagarden the greatest jazz trombonist of all time (of course, this is
arguable, but Louis Armstrong did know all of the jazz trombonists, black and
white, in the early years of jazz.)  Thus, Tea has got to be on anybody's list
of great jazz trombonists.

I'd recommend listening to Teas pre-1935 recordings - that's when he was in
his prime.  There are several representative reissue CD's featuring him.

Jon Noring

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From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: JAZZ TROMBONE
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:27:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Jeff Beer writes:
>[Roswell Rudd]
>You will never find it, but he did make a killer record with Steve Lacy
>called School Days, in which they play all Monk tunes with Henry Grimes
>and Dennis Charles.

This was on Emanem (pronounced M & M ?) records, I would kill for this
record, but I only know of it through the Emanem catalog inside my
friend's Bobby Bradford Quartet record ("Love's Dream"), also on
Emanem, also killer, also totally unfindable.  I wish someone would
get hold of their catalog - there was some wild stuff in it.

Well, OK, maybe I wouldn't really *kill* for that record ...
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: massacre/defunkt/info
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:06:51 GMT

mctkew@dct.ac.uk writes:

>I have some unlisted tracks by a band called MASSACRE - rumoured to have
>Sonny Sharrock as a member. I would like to know the list of musicians, and a 
>list of albums etc - I live in Dundee Scotland - a noted centre for expansive
>music exploration (no its not). If anyone could give me UK info on MASSACRE
>releases it would be very helpful.

Massacre was Fred Frith on Guitar, Bill Laswell on Bass, and Fred Maher
on drums. I think another drummer replaced Maher for some gigs. They were
an early 80's Downtown NY improv group. Sharrock played with these folks 
occassionally around then but wasn't in Massacre. 

They released one lp/cd, Killing Time, which came out in 1981 on Celluloid. 
Celluloid went bankrupt a few years ago, but you might find the cd in cutout
bins or other places. The cd pressing is supposedly tinny and bad, and a new
pressing of it is rumored to be getting released in the US on RESTLESS sometime
in the near future. 

Fred Frith used some recordings of Massacre as backing tracks which he layered
more guitar and other things into, creating compositions using the improvised
music of Massacre as a framework. These works appear on Frith's Speechless, 
whcih can be found on cd in the US on ESD and in other parts of the workd
on REC REC Switzerland.  

And while Massacre sounds very improvised, I've heard tapes of them live and 
they seemed capable of doing essentially the same music that ended up on the 
lp, which stuns me because it sounds so free and unduplicatable... 

They were a short lived band formed around 1981, when Peter Blegvad, Fred
Frith and Daevid Allen shared a flat in New York City. Daevid had used 
Maher and Laswell as part of his backing band for his NY Gong lp and tour, 
and then Blegvad suggested Laswell and Frith hook up and form Massacre. 
Laswell went on to become a prolific bass player and a production junkie... 
Sharrock shows up on some releases by Material, Bill Laswell's band. Frith, 
Laswell and Sharrock show up on a cd called IMPROVISED MUSIC NY 1981, but
it's real free and a pretty hard listen IMHO. 

 - malcolm@wrs.com 
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From: milo@cbnews.cb.att.com (guy.f.klose)
Subject: Re: JAZZ TROMBONE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: bl
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:19:24 GMT
Keywords: JAZZ TROMBONE

In article <Bvt3Ex.HA9@rice.edu>, preston@helena.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs) writes:
> 	Urbie Green -- has anyone ever seen him on record?

Urbie did quite a few albums for Creed Taylor (on CTI) and Project 3
(which, I think, was also a Creed Taylor label -- for awhile Project 3
was specializing in quadraphonic recordings) in the late 60's and
early 70's.

I only a have a couple of CDs that have been released (all with
un-memorable names).  One of his Project 3 albums called "Twenty-One
Trombones", which came in a couple of volumes, has been released
in whole or in part on a CD under the same name.  It was a studio
album of Urbie with twenty well-known studio guys from NYC.  They
played five-part arrangements with four on a part, and Urbie did his
solo thing.  Now, I think, the recording sounds a little dated.
But, there it is pretty interesting hearing him play a Tommy Newsome
(remember him?!?) jazz arrangement of "Flight of the Bumble Bee".
It was goofy enough to be submitted as a possible theme for the TV
show "The Green Hornet" but was not chosen.

There are definitely more albums around with Urbie Green than either
Carl Fontana or Frank Rosolino.  Vinyl is becoming really scarce,
though, so keep your eyes peeled.

-- 
Guy Klose
milo@mvuxi.att.com
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: braxton
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:00:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I wrote:
[Braxton recommendation]
>"Six Compositions (Quartet) 1985" on Antilles

but I meant "Six Compositions (Quartet)" from 1982 on Antilles,
with Anthony Davis, Mark Helias, and Ed Blackwell.
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: MINGUS favs.
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:55:39 GMT
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: >	"Ah Um" -Columbia CD
: 
: I suspect this one isn't available now

It is, or at least was recently, unless Columbia has recalled it from the
shelves.  It isn't really one of my favorites - a little overly sanitized for
my tastes - and as you mention, no lyrics on "Fables", which was indeed on "CM
Presents CM", BTW.  What was the "companion release" you mention, though?  I've
seen a few other CD's from Candid that ostensibly feature the same group, but
they don't seem in any sense "companion releases"; they seem more like
collections of outtakes including stuff from the Newport Rebel sessions.

The Mosaic box set sure sounds interesting.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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From: acp@cray.com (Anthony Peterson)
Subject: 78 RPM Blues
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:26:16 CDT


	Can anyone tell me where I could get 78 RPM
	blues records?

	acp@palm.cray.com
From: ochikubo@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com (Craig F. Ochikubo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: jazz musicians deserving attention (was Re: JAZZ IS DYING:HELP!!)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:56:39 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

In article <1992Oct15.012517.6976@nynexst.com> march@nynexst.com writes:
>
>Eric Gravatt:  An amazing drummer who was in the public eye more in the 70s,
>playing with groups like Andrew White, McCoy Tyner, and the early (most
>risk-taking and, to my ears most exciting version of) Weather Report.  He
>did make it onto records by those groups, though I don't have an on-line
>discography to give references.  Has anyone in r.m.b. heard the japanese
 ...

 A friend mentioned to me that he could not take the touring and also
 had a degree as a engineer ... so he assumed he just wenta back to the
 day job.

 BTW ... does anyone know of a CD version of that live in japan
 weather report album ... that is one album i would really love to
 have!

 ochikubo@desperado.etdesg.trw.com

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