HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gwr@tantalum.eds.com (George Rapp)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: DCI Semifinals Scores
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:52:31 GMT
Reply-To: gwr@edsr.eds.com
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: EDS Research

Since I haven't seen these posted yet ...

DCI SEMIFINALS  08/14/92
--------------  --------

 1. Cavaliers			97.1
 2. Star of Indiana		96.9
 3. Cadets of Bergen County	96.2
 4. Blue Devils			95.7
 5. Madison Scouts		94.3
 6. Phantom Regiment		92.8
 7. Crossmen			92.0
 8. Santa Clara Vanguard	91.9
 9. Blue Knights		91.1
10. Velvet Knights		87.5
11. Bluecoats			85.5
12. Freelancers			84.0
13. Glassmen			83.9
14. Boston Crusaders		82.2
15. Sky Ryders			82.1
16. Spirit of Atlanta		78.8
17. Marauders			76.7

Caption scores (divide by 10)
--------------
		    GE        Brass   Percuss  Visual
		Brs Per Vis  Fld Ens  Fld Ens  Fld Ens  Pen
Cavaliers	149  97 146   93  98   96  98   99  95  0.0
Star		150  93 145   96 100   98  96   96  95  0.0
Cadets of BC	147  94 147   97  96   94  95   96  96  0.0
Blue Devils	148  92 145   94  99   92  92   97  98  0.0
Madison Scouts	144  90 143   95  97   92  95   95  92  0.0
Phantom		146  86 141   91  94   91  90   98  91  0.0
Crossmen	141  91 139   89  91   93  91   92  93  0.0
SCV		142  92 138   90  91   95  89   94  88  0.0
Blue Knights	140  88 137   92  92   90  93   90  89  0.0
VK		138  84 135   83  88   85  86   88  88  0.0
Bluecoats	129  83 130   88  83   87  87   85  83  0.0
Freelancers	133  80 124   86  85   84  85   83  80  0.0
Glassmen	127  81 126   87  86   75  84   86  87  0.0
Boston		128  79 123   85  80   81  84   80  82  0.0
Sky Ryders	130  77 125   82  84   77  83   82  81  0.0
Spirit		121  78 115   76  82   79  81   77  79  0.0
Marauders	113  76 117   77  77   80  80   72  75  0.0

Disclaimer:
  I typed these in by hand from the Friday DCI scoresheet, so
  typos might well have occurred.

Does anybody have the caption scores from Saturday night?
If not, will DCI give those out if we call and ask?

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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Where have the great Shows gone??
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:55:05 GMT

In article <17AUG199210570704@zeus.tamu.edu> eah0065@zeus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR) writes:
>I was fortunate to catch the finals on T.V. and was somewhat dissappointed
>in the overall qulaity of the shows. [...]
>
>I was use to seeing the top corps in a competition just totally overwhelm
>all competitors with general effect. [...]
>
>Come on people let's talk it up!!!

What should we say? Do you want us to agree with you, or disagree?  Is there
something anyone could say which would have you enjoy this year's shows more
(or less, for that matter)? Will those conversations make a difference in the
quality of shows that are available?

If you have a clear idea about what's exciting in drum corps, find some means
of conveying those design ideas onto the field!

--phil

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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Reviews of performances (?)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:48:15 GMT


This post is not meant as a flame, but it has occurred to
me (and perhaps you have noticed this, too) that very little
has been said about the actual performances in Madison.

Most of the recent posts have been about: VK, Star, DCI politics,
stadium sites, and some reminiscing about previous drum corps
lives.  I'm not saying that these topics are not worth talking
about (obviously, since I have participated in several of them!),
but it seems that the performances would be a likely topic given
that the Finals just occured.

I'd be interested in seeing some semi-detailed opinions about
the performances (I've already expressed my impressions); "Madison
should have won," "SCV got ripped," "the Crossmen were hot," "Star
should have won," etc. just aren't informative enough.  Where is
George Drapeau when you need him ...

Are people afraid of being flamed after the asbestos party that
has been going on here recently?

-- Donald
From: travisj@adp.uucp (Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: FINALS
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:00:24 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin ADP

In article <1992Aug17.131245.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> streuer_d@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>
>MADISON - They were robbed!  Thought they looked, marched and performed
>better than Star and BD - had them at 3rd in my book.  Their marching is
>what sold me - I guess the judges didn't like last year's music.

  Yessss!!! I totally agree!! The marching kicked ass.

  Its nice to see that someone alse has my opinions.

Trav


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From: hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall)
Subject: Re: VK Bashing & DC North
Organization: University of Idaho CS Dept.
	<Aug.14.15.26.32.1992.4506@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:49:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Aug.14.15.26.32.1992.4506@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:

   >Wrong. How about GE - you know, that aspect that's worth 40 points?
   >Sure, none of the sections is a dominant force in the corps from
   >year to year, like, say, that drumline that took high drums in
   >'80,'81,'82 from.... gosh, was it the Bridgemen? But so what?  


     '80  27th and BD were robbed
I disagree - the Bridgemen played a great show at finals.  I was blown away
by 27 in prelims but Bridgemen had the better line.

     '81  SCV was robbed
I agree totally.

     '82  SCV  and BD were robbed
Vanguard-yes, BD-no way.  My first wife was in that drum line - we both
agreed it was a good line but I think we both liked SCV better.  The SCV
pit parts were the most tasty I've ever heard.  The BD pit parts were
mostly nice-sounding fluff.

   >alright at night without nightmares of the "debacle." I worry more
   >about guys who sound like they will be up in the light standard with
   >a high powered rifle when VK takes the field Saturday night. You don't

      Not this year, I couldn't get the right ammo!
Do me a favor if you decide to kill a lot of people - don't use a gun, use
a golf club to beat them to death.  That way the gun control people can
start up a golf club control movement, too.

ps: way to go Blue Stars!

Kelly
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Subject: Broadcast in Salt Lake City area
From: c-wilcox@purchasing.usu.edu (Cindy Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:02:01 GMT
Organization: Utah State University (USU)

I guess I'll continue the question :*)

Does anyone out there know when the PBS channels 7 or 11 in the Salt Lake 
City area are planning to broadcast the championships?

Cindy
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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: The Star of Indiana
Keywords: The Star of Indiana, why do they hate them?
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:55:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cehagen@banana.ucs.indiana.edu (Christopher E. Hagen) writes:


>  Why, exactly, do you hate the Star of Indiana?

> (or, love them/like  them/respect them/etc.)


>       I'm just itting here reading all the hatred of them, and I heard all
>the booing, etc, all season. WHY? Is it just because we have corporate
>sponsorship, and will allow all types of people into our corp, based on their
>abilities not their pocketbooks? (sorry, couldn't help but ask that question
>since someone told me "The Star of Indiana" was filled with low-class people))

    I only saw the PBS Broadcast of the top 6 but a few things were very
clear of the minute they came on the air:

   1)  When Curt Gowdy proclaimed that everyone was "hoping for a
falling Star" it was evident to me right then and there that no matter
who did what, performance wise, that Star was not going to win.

      When I received the semi-finals scores I thought that they were
just trying to make it interesting by having Cavies beat Star.  I 
would just have to wait and see how each corps performed.

   2) Star's performance was more inspired than it was in Allentown
and I thought they should have won the title.

   3)  The Cadets and Cavies drill take such an inordinate amount
of time to come to a conclusion.  Star's drill hits you in the face,
WHAM, there's a distinct conclusion!  BAM, there's another one! WOW!
did you see how they got into that so quickly, Amazing.

       The Cadets take forever to reach a set and when they do it
was perfection, but their drill reminds me of an army of ants carrying
off leaves, etc. until they reach a destination.  (I'm not suggesting
that it is any less difficult).  I simply was not as impressed as with
Star's drill. 

       The Cavies drill was not as good as Star or Cadets.  Yes,
they had some brilliant moves like the 3 collapsing boxes, or 
what ever you would call them, but the rest was not as impressive.
The hornline was NOT good at all!  But when did the Cavies ever
have a great hornline?  Drums are another story.

    4)  I have never seen such a hostile crowd response in the form
of applause as was portrayed by this audience when Star was announced
in third.  At that moment I wanted the Cadets to win so that their 
precious Cavies would be denied!  (I like the Cavies although I do
not think they deserved the title in '91 or '92?  Last year Star
blew them away with their horline and drill.  Yes, '91 Cavies closer
was excellent, but did you ever LISTEN to it on the CD's, cracks galore).
You know, Star is not the evil incarnate.  They won one time.

    5)   The announcer either had an orgasm or a coronary as he 
announced the C-A-V-AAAA--LLLLLLLLLIIIIIRRRSSSSSS!.  Another example
of a FIX.    They were not going to deny them.  People probably
would have rioted (just kidding) if they lost.  Maybe just torn
down a goal post or something.
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Semi-finals scores?
Date: 17 Aug 1992 12:46:09 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I still want to see scores from Semis (and reports on the 11th-17th place
corps) to get a feel for how the pack sorted itself out.
 
Vince
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Boston in 14th? 
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:36:24 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


In article <1992Aug21.170652.23655@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:
> 
> Can anybody defend Boston Crusaders' 14th place finish?  I saw them
> in prelims and have no idea why they were that high.  I thought Marauders,
> Spirit, and especially Sky Ryders were POINTS better than them.  Boston's
> show did nothing for me and I, and the people around me, were shocked
> by their score.  
> 
> Granted we all think differently about the placements, but does anyone
> disagree with my opinion of Boston?

Well, I thought Boston deserved the placement they got.  It may be that I just
preferred their music to the Sky Ryders and especially Spirit.  Sky was very
boring to me this year and Spirit had a very weak hornline-in terms of power-in
my opinion.  There might be something to say for a little politics here, too. 
Boston has been 17th and 16th for the last few years.  Always just getting into
the top 17 for semi's.  Maybe it was their turn to move up a little.

It might also, from a judges point of view, have been that the music was both
accessible (because SCV had played it so well in ?87?) and difficult.  The
judges probably enjoyed the music and rewarded it's selection.  Not
neccessarily how well it was played, but that it was "good" music.  The judges
decide what is "good" music for drum corps.  So, that might be a thought(s).

IRC nick-BlueDevil
From: cdoser@bcsaic.boeing.com (Cathy Doser)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Reviews of performances (?)
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:08:13 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

Me too, Brad. I've been pretty busy putting my life back together after
the trip to Madison. I don't know about all of the others listed, but
the trip took a lot out of me, and I haven't fully repaired. I do have
a nice long listing of some thoughts about each performance, except for
finals, that I will post. Just need to do some editing first. Otherwise,
I will let the flames die down before saying much. 

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From: koreis@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Koreis)
Subject: DCI Broadcast
Reply-To: koreis@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:55:53 GMT

Third time is a charm.  GOOD NEWS!  KTPS-28 in Tacoma and probably KCKA
out of Centralia are carrying the DCI broadcast on Saturday, August 15, at
8PM.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Glassmen in 13th
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Aug21.171205.23871@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:
> I thought that Glassmen deserved 13th and did not belong in the 
> top 12 (now watch the sparks fly!)  While Glassmen's show was
> performed better than Freelancers in prelims, Freelancers show
> was a much better and more professional show to make up for the
> difference in their level of performance.

I agree with you, somewhat.  I felt the Freelnacers were, indeed, better.  But,
I thought that both the Freelancers and Glassmen should have beaten the
Bluecoats.  I felt the Glassmen should have gotten 12th and Bluecoats 13th or
14th.  I didn't really like the Bluecoats selection of music, so I may be a bit
biased towards anyone else besides the Bluecoats.

Anyone else feel this way?
 
> SO, if Glassmen lost it up in the pressbox, I agree...but Glassmen
> should have beat Freelancers at the field level.
> 
> Just my opinion.

Mine too.
 
> Maybe next year!

We can only hope (hopefully, the Glassmen will be in and the Bluecoats out)

IRC nick-BlueDevil

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From: Paul.Knupke.Jr.@f750.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Knupke Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Scores from the Ft. Wayne, Indiana Show
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:31:00 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/750 - FTC Mail System, Largo Fl

Here are the scores from the Ft. Wayne, Indiana show on Monday 8/10.

I was not personally at the show (or even in Indiana) but my sister was at the show and phoned me the scores.

1. Star of Indiana         95.1
2. Santa Clara Vangaurd    92.1
3. Velvet Knights          83.4
4. Glassmen                83.3
5. Crusaders               81.2
6. Magic                   76.3  (Drum Major)

Seems to follow the pattern that I've seen throughout recent score postings.

My sister has never marched, or played with any band or corps, but she said that Star put on one heck of a show.

I wish I could have been present to make further comments as I marched in a corps style marching band for four years in high school (85-88) and have been an avid drum corps fan since the mid eighties as several of the people I marched with in band also marched with Suncoast.  My band director during my senior year, Jeff Kuntz, was an original Suncoast member and he currently works on Suncoast staff in some capacity.

pekjr Osceola High School Marching Warrior Band of Seminole, FL (85-88)



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From: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Subject: Finals on WGBH?
Originator: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:37:20 GMT


Does anyone know if WGBH in Boston will broadcast this year's finals?
E-mail would be appreciated if you know one way or the other.

-- 
 Eric J. Austin                       EMAIL: eaustin@ll.mit.edu
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From: halk@solbourne.com (Hal Koshak)
Subject: SCV/Garth face
Keywords: Dana Carvey, Wayne's World
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:14:47 GMT

Does anyone know why an SCV staff member placed a large blowup of
Dana Carvey (sp?) in front of the corps during finals?  It seemed
awfully out of character for them.

- Hal


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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: Re: muchachos
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:59:20 GMT

Regarding Muchachos being dumped...

I think that the VFW and AL scores are suspect, not the DCI
scores.  I know that back then the VFW didn't use DCI judges, 
and I'd guess its the same for the American Legion.
I mean some of them may have been DCI judges (I doubt it), 
but they didn't require them to be.  I think that most of 
them were from the OLD guard when VFW ran the activity.
I think that scores bounced around a lot more back then
because there were so many different organizations, and
each one used its own judges, who may or may not have been 
well trained, or judged very many shows.

I have two stories to make my point: 1977 Milwaukee, WI, a show
the week after DCI, used "VFW judges" (I remember being told this, 
and our staff kidded that we should put in Stars and Stipes,
which we did for parades, and we'd score a lot higher!) Anyway,
my corps, the Blue Knights from St. Paul, MN (11th DCI Class A,
score 55.8) beat Seneca Optimists (9th or 10th at DCI that year)!
Boy, we thought we'd really improved... 

Also,
Our staff told us in 1980 (VFW Nationals, Chicago, 3 days after DCI)
that several of the judges were judging their one and only show all
year!  We (Madison 6th place DCI) TIED the Cavaliers (11th at DCI, 
probably 10 points lower...).  Well, it was in Chicago, after all,
and Cavaliers were kings of the hill back in the old VFW days.

As was Garfield, for that matter, which explains why they could win
VFW in 1976, beating 4 DCI finalists, and then didn't even make 
finals themselves.

You'll need to find some DCI scores for the Muchachos
before I buy into your theory :)
 
Cam -   :) :) Going to DCI Finals tomorrow, first time since 1987 !!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI Politics (I hate DCI Admin.)
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:54:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:


>I hate to dissagree with a fellow Blue Devils fan, but this just wasn't
>their year. Granted they had a great horn line, but you need more than
>that to win nationals. Their drumline is still recovering from the loss
>of the Floats, and their visual was very weak. 

  Brad, do you think that their visual was very weak as in designed,
or it was weak at these championships?

  From everything that was posted on the net and in DCW, BD was
winning visual all year over everybody.  Was it because everyone
else was sloppy until now?  Just curious?
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: DCI Politics (I hate DCI Admin.)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:40:06 GMT

In article <Aug.19.14.54.34.1992.18115@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>
>
>>I hate to dissagree with a fellow Blue Devils fan, but this just wasn't
>>their year. Granted they had a great horn line, but you need more than
>>that to win nationals. Their drumline is still recovering from the loss
>>of the Floats, and their visual was very weak. 
>
>  Brad, do you think that their visual was very weak as in designed,
>or it was weak at these championships?
>
>  From everything that was posted on the net and in DCW, BD was
>winning visual all year over everybody.  Was it because everyone
>else was sloppy until now?  Just curious?

I thought that, as always, the Blue crew performed their hearts out
at nationals, and executed their show beyond belief. I thought the
weakness was in the show design. How they could be beating the other
top corps in visual is really a mystery to me. All of the chest -
bearing and guard lunging aside, I really thought the show lacked
any degree of difficulty or continuity. It was very cluttered, and
in my opinion, ineffective in supporting the music they played. Sure,
it may have gotten to you on an emotional level (which I am sure
many people loved), but I don't think  it holds a candle to the
products that Star, Cavies, Madison, and particularly Garfield put
out there. (Or for that matter many previous BD shows.) Just my
opinion... I hope they go back to a more traditional visual program
next year.

--Brad.

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From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Division II/III DCI Finals results?
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:53:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena


	If anyone knows any of the results of the Div. II/III prelim and
finals results of Monday and Tuesday, 10 and 11th respectively, please
be so kind as to inform those who could not make the trip out to Drum
Corps Mecca which we all know is Madison.     
	Thanks so much!

Michael


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