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From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: CO companies NOT to boycott
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:47:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

US West is based in Denver, though it has offices throughout the
17 state region.  A month before the election, it mailed out a
position on 2 to all employees, saying in part, "U S West opposes Amendment 2 
because the fundamental premis is to facilitate discrimination...which is wrong.
It takes away the reinforcement of protections already in place. Discrimination
degrades the individual and makes bad business and bad ecomonic sense."

After the election, they sent out another flyer stating that 2 would make no
difference, that all people would be protected under the US West anti-discrim
code and that it would not change. 

--not a U S West emplyee (nor, usually, a fan)--
	Sandy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: One good thing that came about as a direct result of CO-2
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:20:45 GMT

In article <guest.721076350@cs.wisc.edu>, guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account) writes:


>He also had a novel idea that I haven't seen come up here yet, and
>would be a very direct way to get the attention of colorado residents
>who are travelling out-of-state.  He's going to make up some small
>flyers and carry them with him at all times.  They are to be put under
>the windshield wipers of any vehicle with colorado license plates and
>will say something like:
>
>"Your car has been singled out to receive this flyer because it is
>registered in the state of Colorado.  Since you are a resident of the
>very first state to ever amend its constitution by popular vote to
>take away the basic civil rights of an entire group of its citizens,
>namely Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexuals, you are no longer welcome here.
>A boycott of all goods and services produced in your state has been
>put into effect and will remain in effect until the amendment has been
>repealed.  A boycott of Arizona, prompted by the state's refusal to have
>a Martin Luther King holiday, cost Arizona residents an estimated
>$5 billion.  It is fervently hoped that this boycott will cost the
>state and citizens of Colorado at least that amount, if not more."
>
>I think it's a great way to remind citizens of colorado that the rest
>of the nation is watching what's going on in disgust.  In this case,
>suggestions on changing the wording, etc., are welcome.  You can even
>suggest that I not carry this out, but I'll probably just nod politely
>and go on doing it.  This is war.


You have *no* idea how many out-of-state plates we get here
in Vegas. (or maybe you do.. :)  Colorado plates are the green
ones with white mountain tops, or something like that.  

I like this idea.


Shawn


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:00:29 GMT

> sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) writes:
>> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:

>>Even more intriguing
>>to me, her cosmetologist lover was played by Morgan Fairchild.
>
>Yes, my favorite Morgan Fairchild quote is something along the
>lines of, "What happens if the virus goes airborne?"  She uttered
>this beaut in a fundie anti-gay propaganda video a few years back
>(referring to HIV, of course).

Are we talking about the same person?  The Morgan Fairchild
I've heard of is a longtime, public supporter of liberal
and feminist causes, especially the pro-choice movement, also
environmentalist stuff.  She's been rumored for years to be
a lesbian (as well as play one on TV :-)), and is definitely
not the sort of person one would expect to see consorting
with fundies, or uttering anti-gay twaddle or AIDS
disinformation.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: Colorado Cesspool
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:37:10 GMT

cbe (cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu) wrote:
: Further, the purchase of some electronic equipment from Hewlett-Packard 
: will be cancelled.  Their sales representative will be certainly told 
: the reason. 

Please write HP corporate as well.  [The sales rep, particularly if he
is homophobic, may not pass on your comments].

The name & address are:
  Hewlett-Packard
  [Try public relations or, if you want to go to the top, Lew Platt, CEO]
  3000 Hanover Street
  Palo Alto  CA  94303

FYI, HP did not make any public statements on either the Colorado or
Oregon initiatives.

--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
------------------- Hatred and Bigotry are immoral ---------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: What to do about Colorado
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: not very organized
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:08:48 GMT

bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:

>One very important reason Amendment 2 passed, despite the text of
>the proposition, was the way it was worded on the ballot.  My ballot
>simply said "Amendment 2: Gay Rights".  How many people do you think
>voted "yes" instead of "no" because of this?

Really?  THat's all it said?  That could be somewhat confusing even
to someone who had been casually following the progress of this issue.
From: misek@solbourne.com (Steve Misek)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: News From the Front -- Boulder
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:03:44 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

 
After three attempts to demuffinize myself, they've finally rewired all the
soft links and this might actually get posted.

I'm Andy Gerbers cubemate, and the person he was referring to in yesterdays
posting.  Since yesterday: I've come out to the group, Andy has managed to
get our new company (ParcPlace) to add sexual orientation to their EEO, and
some coworkers at Solbourne have begun putting pressure on Solbourne to
publicly stand behind their EEO (which includes sexual orientation).

The outpouring of support from our group, coworkers, and parent company has
been tremendous.  Besides learning that both Andy and I are gay, various
group members have talked about gay siblings, parents, friends, etc., and
about the tremendous anger they felt seeing #2 pass.  More importantly,
this has given the group an opportunity to show our tremendous diversity
and support to other group members whose politics "differ".

Last night my roommates and I attended a rally in Boulder, on pearl street
mall in front of the courthouse.  Though not as heavily attended as the
one in Denver, this one was also a candlelight vigil, and was heavily attended
by local politicians (Mayor Jorgenson, Rep. Skaggs), as well as heads of
various lesbian/bi/gay political organizations in town.

Details are fuzzy (it was **FREEZING** on the mall and my brain shuts off in
cold weather); but the city of Boulder (being a home rule city) is teaming with
Denver, Lambda Legal, ACLU, and other groups to challenge #2.  As others have
posted, the initial legal arguments include
	1. (weak) Ammendment #2 is in violation of Home Rule Statutes.
	2. (strong) Ammendment #2 violates our constitutional rights.
As expected, various fundraising activities have already begun to raise money
to fuel the legal fight.  The local Democratic party (Denver and Boulder) has
strongly come out against #2, and are rumoured to be soliciting additional
support from the Federal level to help knock down #2.

It was rumoured that the campus organization has designed a T-shirt that has
	"Don't shoot, I'm actually a Black Bear"
printed over a large pink triangle (In reference to the black bear protection
ordinance which overwhelmingly passed in Tuesday's election #10)...  Now that
black bears have more rights than we do...


steve
misek@solbourne.com
misek@parcplace.com
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Show biz power
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:44:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.141900.24263@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>In article <1da04iINNpv4@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>} Now how much was it that Warner/Chappell paid
>} Madonna to administer *her* catalogue?  Oh yes, they
>} paid her a paltry $10 million.  Seems to me that
>} Elton John and Bernie Taupin are *four* *times* more
>} important than Madonna.
>
>Arne,
>Madonna does more than write songs ...
>Donald

Cartoon seen in the current New Yorker:

	"Is Madonna amazing or what?  She sings, dances, and acts.
		and now it turns out she's a writer, too."

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Gay Ski Week boycott?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:08:35 GMT

cbe (cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu) wrote:
> 
> I wonder what the fundies would do in our situation.
> 
Well, if the ski chalet had a little fish painted on it, they'd
go for it, just like they do when they buy those camper shells.

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Good news, Good news, Bad news and revenge
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:41:23 GMT
Reply-To: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>Unfortunatly #2 in Colorado seems to have won.
>
>Does GLAD or QN have plans for starting a boycott of Colorado products?
Queer Nation will be starting an intense letter-writing campaign, 
targeting (for now) the Governor, any appropriate boards of
tourism, and any major CO newspapers.  If someone has addresses/phone 
numbers handy, it'd be great if you could post them and/or send 
them to me.  Also, suggestions of other targets would be most helpful.

We must send a strong signal to the powers of Colorado, letting
them know that we as a nation cannot and will not tolerate
institutionalized homophobia.  We (everyone on MOTSS) can be a well-
organized, well-spoken, vocal group.  Let's make a concerted
effort to let our voices be heard in Colorado.

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   The opinions expressed here certainly don't represent those of my
   employer...but I'm working on it.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: colorado springs
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:52:03 GMT

Thomas M Farrell (gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu) wrote:
: Last night, CNN Headline News reported that a student in Colorado Springs
: (it didn't say what grade level but it definitely didn't sound like college)
: was sent home to change his shirt after arriving for school in a Penguin
: (from Batman Returns) t-shirt. It seems that the principal said that the 
: shirt was unacceptable because it is "satanic." 

It wasn't Colorado Springs, Colorado.  It was Colorado <something else>,
Arizona.  I thought it was nuts too.

--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
------------------- Hatred and Bigotry are immoral ---------------------------
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: CREATING CHANGE NGLTF Conference "Networking Sessions" Nov 13 & 14
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:55:43 GMT
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I looked more closely at the schedule for the CREATING CHANGE conference and
noticed that 6pm-7:30pm on Saturday November 14th they have a Networking
Session titled "Computers" if people are interested. I guess that may be
where the net.attendees can meet.

*I* am also going to try to get to the "activists of color" and "scientists"
Networking Sessions. 

CREATING CHANGE 5 is taking place at the Los Angeles Airpot Hilton, 5715
Century Blvd, in West LA.

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Repeat after me: "Mel Gibson is a Catholic Fundie from Hell!"
Repeat after me: "Mel Gibson is a Catholic Fundie from Hell!"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ttoon@saxon.ling.lsa.umich.edu (Thomas Toon)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:30:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.195127.23951@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:
> > 
> Sounds to me like you did an OK job of raising your boy,
> too.
> 
> And I appreciate your telling the story.  Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words and thanks to the others who have posted on this  
group.  It's been an important source of sound advise and stength.  Guess I'm  
nolonger a muffin.
--
Thomas Toon		Internet:  Toon@um.cc.umich.edu
Program in Linguistcs	NeXTmail:  tt@saxon.ling.lsa.umich.edu
1076 Frieze Building	313-764-0353
Ann Arbor, Mi 48109
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ""Gay rights group files complaint""
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:09:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>>Another difference that most straight people don't understand is that
>>>homosexuality is NOT a choice.

>>There are _many_ people who feel that it is as much a choice as what to eat
>>for breakfast.  As many people feel that it is caused by mental problems
>>(trauma as a child, chemical imbalances..) that can and _should_ be
>>corrected.  There are a number of people who feel that it is genetic and
>>that the individual is truly pre-wired for his behavior, but they are in
>>the minority.

We are?

>Robert, you don't seem understand the concept of human sexual orientation.
>It simply IS.  Just like hair color, eye color, skin color, handedness, it
>is something that cannot right or wrong.  Something that IS cannot be right
>or wrong.

I found it most interesting that the percentage of left handed people in the
general poulation roughly corresponded with the percentage of gay people in
the general population, running at about 10 - 11 %.  Not that the groups
overlap, just the percentages are similar.  I use this example (illogically,
probably) in discussions in my office of choice and non-choice (funny how the
conservatives are pro-choice in THIS matter).  Left handedness used to be
perceived as bad, wrong, a choice, a behavior that could and _should_ be
corrected.  And any left handed person will tell you that it just is
something that is.  I am sure this argument has been aired here frequently,
and I am merely beating a left handed horse, but this thread raised the
thought for me again.  And, as I tell one heterosexist fellow in my office,
some of my best friends are left handed straight people.   ;>

Donald
  
-- 

******************************************************************************

Donald L. Hardy                                    Office of Physical Planning
Project Planner                                    Lehigh University
dh0a@lehigh.edu                                    (215) 758 5110
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:06:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.104532.20549@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
> I find it very startling that the people worried about the boycott and
> of course they are worried about the people who will be hurt because of the
> boycott,  haven't talked much about the rest of the "faggots" (lovingly
> said) who can now be legally fucked out of a job by some shit head corporation
> in Colorado who not only financially benefits from the rest of us faggots
> spending money at his/her place, but then takes profits from us and contributes
> to yes on 2!!!!  Your outrage Mr. No-boycott, is directed at the
> wrong people!

  A well organized boycott, with teeth, like the boycott of Arizona
for MLK's holiday would not only send signals to that particular state,
but all of the rest contemplating such measures as well. This is 
especially true of Oregon which will undoubtably have a somewhat
defanged version of measure 9 again.
  We need to send a message loud and clear that this sort of hatred
and intolerance is unacceptable and back it up with the sort of 
condemnation that anybody can understand: cash. Oregon and Colorado
are major tourist areas (especially Co) a full scale boycott of 
skiing etc. to Colorado would *really* hurt where it counts. I think
that secondary boycotts of companies who happen to be located in
Colorado would be less effective since it is less visible.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:51:27 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.163711.22396@lsa.umich.edu>
ttoon@saxon.ling.lsa.umich.edu (Thomas Toon) writes:

>[About coming out to his 16-yr-old son & rest of family]

>I asked him whom he was telling, and his response was
>simple, "this is not something to hide, dad."

Sounds to me like you did an OK job of raising your boy,
too.

And I appreciate your telling the story.  Thanks!

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: So Many People Don't Know About Colorado
Originator: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:59:39 GMT


I have noticed lately that when I mention the Colorado boycott to people,
even in the gay community, that they are completely clueless as to what
I'm talking about.  Even my mother (who watches the news every day) didn't
know about CO-2.  I don't get much news here (except for the campus
newspaper), so I'm beginning to wonder if the media is concerning
themselves with the matter at all.

Also,  I feel quite discouraged because most of the people that I've
explained CO-2 to don't really care enough to worry about doing
anything about it.  How can they not be concerned when their rights are
being denied?  I've also gotten many responses like, "Colorado is so far
away--how does that affect me?"  I tell them that if Colorado is allowed
to do it, then other states might try to do the same thing, and it will
affect them.  I also tell them that it is affecting our brothers and
sisters in Colorado, but I still seem to be getting a negative response.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
-- 
--------             ____  
Season Taylor        \  / "thought i knew my mind/like the back of my hand/
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   the gold in the rainbow/nothing panned out as i
(yes, as in the 4)         planned"   --indigo girls
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: voting in Oregon
Date: 3 Nov 92 21:39:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bx5tHC.L4z
Organization: Open Communications Forum

My day started at 4:15 am with doorhanging for No on 9 in key Portland
districts.

I voted at 10 am.  A TV crew was at my precinct and stopped me for an
interview.  When the interviewer asked me what I considered the most
important issue on the ballot to be, I simply flashed open my trenchcoat
to reveal my NO ON 9 T-shirt, which the camera duly zoomed in on.  This
started an on-camera discussion of the measure, and she said that a lot
of people have attributed the heavy turnout here to disgust that this
thing is on the ballot.

Afterward, a group of us went out with No on 9 signs to the Beaverton
area to stand on the streetcorner for 3 hours and wave them at passersby,
who were pretty favorable.  I even talked a pedestrian into voting no.

Now it's 1:30 and I'm going to crash until 4, when it's off to phone bank
in Hillsboro to get out the last of our supporters.  Polls in Oregon
close tonight at 8 PM PST.

Tonight the police are cordining off Stark Street between NW 10th and 13th
(where the queer bars are) to prevent drive by shootings.  Several members
of the community have been issued police pagers for quick emergency response
should rioting break out.

-- 
Brent Capps                          | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | okay, but wash it first.
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:26:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Gary Strand (gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu) writes:

>  [CO-2] does not deny homosexuals equal rights. [...] it denies gays the
>  use of the legal system to correct alleged cases of discrimination.

If a given group does not have access to some public service (the courts serve
the public, in theory, yes?), while everyone else has such access, then that
group does not have equivalent rights to everyone else.

Q.E.D.

------------------------------
                             |     There were people everywhere, wearing bits
Jim Drew                     | of leather... clothing not even Hollywood could
jrd@frame.com                | dream up.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Ron," I said.  "That guy has leather ram's
"Innocent, but not naive."   | horns, and a cape."
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Yeah, he's dressed like thet at all these
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | street fairs.  But wait 'til next month: me and
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Val'll take you to Hallowe'en in the Castro.
                             | Gives a whole new meanin' to 'Trick 'r Treat.'"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"