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From: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS)
Subject: Re: Boycott TIME magazine
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:44:11 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.034642.6981@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> you write:
>In article 20388@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU, sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct9.050259.26039@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes:
>>>
>>>Most of you have probably read Talbott's article in TIME magazine
>>>14th October under the America Abroad section.  He slammed Greece
>>>with so much rubbish that it is amazing Time magazine is considered
>>>a serious "News" magazine.
>>
>>>I call on everyone to boycott TIME magazine.  Write a letter telling
>>>them how much you object to Talbot's malakies.  Cancel any subscriptions
>>>and hit them where it hurts.  O palio pousths o Talbott o Skopianos tha
>>>plhrwsei mia mera tis malakies tou.
>>
>>.... but what happens when they eventually find something positive to
>>write about Mitsotakis's Greece. Do we all rush to resubscribe to TIME???
>>If we follow this example, we will end up boycotting the entire non-Greek
>>dominated media, and we will have nothing of value left to read. 
>>I guess there is truth to the saying:
>>
>>     "Time does tell all truths (and heals all wounds) ..."
>
>
>Talbott has been payed off.  TIME magazine and every other magazine should
>be objective and give us facts get it?? FACTS not bullshit that cannot
>be substantiated and proven.  I see you are from Australia then you are fully 
>aware of the expansionist policies of your fellow Skopians and the 
>advertisements in the papers showing a map including a third of Greece
>as territory that will eventually be recovered by Tito's commies the 
>Skopians!!  Fortunately the Albanians and so many other nationalities that
>live within your border wont give you the time to even dare make a move 
>but it is outstanding to see what chaos communism has left behind.
>

Suppose we changed 'skopians' to 'athenians' above, and inverted the
specific details [ie. Talbott telling the truth about Greece, praising
it in all its recent glory with stickers flooding everywhere you look, 
with the slogan we have all grown to love :-)], then your paragraph
would seemingly have been said from a Skopjean angle. I would have 
thought you knew better than to give into these levels of reaction.
Following exactly what the government wants you to do [yes, I am speaking
of any government, and yes we are both from Australia with every advantage
that offers us].. let me ask you again, a few weeks ago would you have
considered TIME Magazine a credible source. I think its time to ask yourself,
what really is going on. I also believe "consistency" is very important.

>
>ELLAS ELLAS MACEDONIA.  MAY LOGIC AND PEACE PREVAIL ...
>

May it indeed. 

Recognize Macedonia.
From: A.Bulogiorgos@bradford.ac.uk (A BULOGIORGOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Posting articles
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:42:04 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91909318@ccw311
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Can somebody tell me how can I post an article which I have typed with the
Text editor from Open Windows 3?  I thought vi should be only but a bad
experience to all of those who have experienced the horror of Unix.

   Why should I have to type 'i' to start typing text? Isn't it obvious
when someone is opening an editor wants to type something? 


Achilleas Bulogiorgos

O Complexikos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: greeks can't swim
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:27:35 GMT

c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>The Greek Magazine Tachydromos had a really funny article
>about the 'duck syndrome', the pathological desire of Greeks to 
>associate with the sea (but not learn how to swim), years back. 
>They started with the shoutings of the Myriads (Alexander the Great's
>army) when they saw the sea ("Thallata - Thallata") (the sea! The
>sea!) and continues to today with the modern Greek's obligatory drive
>to a crowded beach (3 hours to get to the beach, 1 hour stay, 3 hours
>back) during summer. Is it any wonder we can't swim?

 The "We" should be replaced by "Athenians."

>Spiros (Fly Delta or Bust)

 Panos Tamamidis
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9575 soc.culture.bulgaria:1497 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9070
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:22:39 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: The CARELESS (was: Tsar Samuil: The...ancestor-descendant?)

Luben Boyanov (lb@cs.man.ac.uk) writes in Message <6416@m1.cs.man
.ac.uk> about our recent discussion:

>>Luben Boyanov (lb@cs.man.ac.uk) writes in  Message-ID <6399@m1.
>>cs.man.ac.uk>:
>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>  I've just found  2 sources (AR said that he wanted to 'nail'
>>>  them or something like this)   supporting what I said that I
>>>  remember reading that Samuil was an anscestor of Sisman:
>>                         ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>>  No!  I said that historians have a problem to nail the origin
>>  of Samuil himself.
>
> OK. I didn't argue on that. Furthermore I noticed several times
> that there are doubts  but  nothing more.  I agree that this is
> interesting  as  something  existing as different opinion.  You
> confirmed that all these are just interesting speculaitons.
>
>> And you said something very different from what you claim now.
>> Let me remind you:
>
> No I dind't.

Oh yes you did Luben dear!  Samuil was not the descendant!

>> "...I've read somewhere that it was the Bulgarian noblemen Si-
>>  sman who was the grandfather of Samuil   (or sort of  - an't>
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  ::::         :::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>  remember exactly, but do remember the name - Sisman)... "
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>> Generally, Luben,  "Grandfather"  is not a  "Grandson"  !
>
> Next time before attempting to prove something read it careful-
> ly. I SAID I REMEMBER THE NAME-I SAID I DON'T REMEMBER THE REST
> QUITE WELL !!!

Why  do  you blow the remaining shreds of your credibility Luben?
Based  on your phrase one expects a grandfather of Samuil,  uncle
or some "sort of ancestor"...
That is what you would provide me with!!!!!
Anyway, the "proof" you presented was irrelevant to what you said
you wanted to show to A.R.(me) who wanted to "nail some sources".
In a nutshell:  It is YOU and not me who is NOT CAREFUL and wrote
something irrelevant to the ancestry of Samuil...

>>The former is two generations before the latter.
>
> The later  shows that you didn't  read the sentence above care-
> fully, or you are  trying  intentionally to  skip  parts  of my
> words and to create conflicts.
> I've sent you a mail to tell you  EXACTLY my intentions but for
> God sake - please read carefully.

I will read the personal message.
The above sentences though are either funny or irrelevant to the
issue and it is not me that should be the really careful.

A simple  "Hops...sorry, my mistake over the ancestry issue!"
WOULD SUFFICE. You see,Luben dear, your initial claim is not sup-
ported by the source you present and that is all...
Next time YOU better READ CAREFULLY what you "prove"  and whether
this is what you have said you will show.

                                               Andronikos Romanos

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ertas@athena.mit.edu (Mehmet D Ertas)
Subject: Re: An article about Macedonia in TIME (october 12, 1992)
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Keywords: time,macedonia,greece,bullying
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:17:52 GMT


Hi Folks,

This is getting a bit ridiculous. PLEASE STOP CROSSPOSTING ARTICLES WRITTEN IN GREEK
TO SOC.CULTURE.TURKISH. I realize that such mistakes happen from time to time, 
but if they last for more than a few followups on a single topic, it seems
less natural. Please do not forget ot edit the Newsgroups: line before you
post in your native language.

Thank you for your cooperation.

In article <1992Oct15.132818.616@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras; TA PhD) writes:
|> In <Bw36px.DC4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pt8684@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis) writes:
|> 
|> >>Dystyxws oxi agapite Pano. Px oi eksagwges tis Ollandias pros
|> >>Ellada einai ~1% twn synolikwn eksagwgwn tous. Einai to
|> >> .....
....[deleted]
|> 
|> >  Afto to anekdoto den to akousa prin.  Ksereis pou egrapse o kosmos
|> >  thn kybernish otan tou zhtouse na mhn kanei thn diadilwsh sthn
|> >  0essaloniki, e?
|> 
|> Den kserw ean i kybernisi zitise na mi ginei to sylallitirio
|> stin Thessaloniki. Ean einai alitheia, kala ekane o kosmos kai
|> den akouse tin kybernisi (oi dikoi mou itan ekei, alla den mou
|> eipan oti zitise i kybernisi kati tetoio). Apo tin alli, oloi

[deleted].....

|> Filika
|> 
|> Panayotis
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From: peter@alex (Peter Vafeades)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Test, Please Ignore
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:34:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Oct8.233427.23771
Distribution: usa
Organization: Trinity University, San Antonio TX, USA

Please ignore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: nkoudour@lonestar.utsa.edu (Nathan D. Koudouris)
Subject: Information on Greece
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:10:14 GMT


Hi

I'm a Greek American living in the United States.  If you ever have lived
in San Antonio, Texas you know that there is not much information in the news-
papers about Greece.  I want to know exactly what is going on in Greece.
I can't seem to get an objective story, on Usenet, explaining what is
going on.  Will someone give me an objective story, and not criticize
the other side?  I would greatly appreciate it.



                                                  Sincerely,

                                                  Demosthenes Koudouris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren)
Subject: CONGRATULATIONS MACEDONIA!
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:02:15 GMT



Congratulations Macedonia,
Turkey have decided to open
an embassy in Mecdonia, i hope
this will strenght the relationship between 
Macedonia and the rest of the world.






Hilmi Eren
Department Of Computer And Systems Science
Stockholm Universty, Sweden
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: Mythology questions 
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Keywords: Sisyphos, Tantalos, Hercules, Hades, Pelops, Avgeias
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:12:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.145619.26088@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpour Mobarekeh) writes:
>
>I am looking for the names of some mythological personalities
>whom I read about  once. One is the guy who still rolls
>a stone up the hill again and again.
This is Sisyphos (Sisufos) who tried several times to avoid
death; he actually succeded many times. He visited Hades (Adns)
and he found some tricks to come back to life. In ceramic
paintings, he is depicted pushing a stone towards the top
of a mountain, and when he is almost at the end, the stone
slips and rolls down fast. He was from Korinthos.
His struggle symbolises people's struggle against death,
something he did not eventually avoid himself.

> The other is one who is 
>thirsty standing in a river in Hades trying to drink water but
>the water disappears each time. What was his name.
This is probably Tantalos, the king of Ludia (part of Asia Minor,
east of Smyrna).  He was invited to dinner by the Gods,
but he could not reach anything, neither food, nor drink.
He was punished so, because when he invited the Gods to dinner
instead of sacrificing an animal for them, he sacrificed
his son, Pelops (Pelopas), whose name is the first part
of the name "Peloponnese." Tantalos was also punished,
because he gave the recipe of ambrosia and nectar
(the food and drink of the Gods) to the people.
(This story is similar to that of Prometheus, who gave
fire to people).

> Third question
>is was it Ogyas (or Ogias) barns which were cleaned by Hercul?
This must be the Avgias barns (stauloi Augeiou). Hercules (Hraklns)
was supposed to clean the barns of Augeias, king of Helis (Hlis),
in western Peloponnese. This was necessary, because the dirt (shit)
of the cows of Augeias was so much that deseases would spread to the
people. Hercules had 1 day to complete the job, otherwise he would
be a slave (doulos) for the rest of his life. Would he complete
the job, he would get a part of the kingdom and the daughter
of the king as his wife. Hercules did clean the barns (according
to some mythology version, he turned 2 rivers towards the barns
and all dirt was gone by the water), but then Augeias did not
keep his promise and Hercules fought against him. I don't
remember if he won (I wasn't there, anyway :-)).
>
>
>                              Thank you
>                                Persian king  Kambiz (Cambyses as the
>                                                      greeks say)

C. Christara
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Turkish Logic
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:10:16 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Constantinos Caroutas writes:

>> It's based on the desire of the majority of the Cypriots to unite Cyprus
>> with Greece. Don't forget that in 1939 Hatay that had a 60 percent Turkish
>> population united itself with Turkey. The idea of enosis is contemporary
>> to that event. Why couldn't Cyprus which had 80 percent Greek population
>> unite itself with Greece?


Sadi Turgut replies:

> Sorry. For 18%, it meant exchange of colonizers for the worse.
>Now, tell me what is wrong with a free and independent Cyprus?
>Why was this "union" so important that, some people contributed
>to its destruction. If there weren't this uncompromising attitude
>of some Enosis supporters, the Republic of Cyprus could have worked.



      That's not the point, Sadi.  There's nothing wrong with
      an independent, multicultural Republic of Cyprus, but
      when an overwhelming majority of the population favors
      union with Greece, their wishes must be respected.
      This is a principle of democracy.

      However, if you support the separation of Cyprus into
      two distinct states -- as it appears you do -- please
      tell me what is your attitude in connection with the
      desire of Kurds to secede from Turkey.

-- Eduard Wiener
From: jd@slc3.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: thriambos ths ethnikhs mas sthn islandia me 1-0
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:52:02 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <scg.718619631@cs.wisc.edu> scg@bashan.cs.wisc.edu ( Scg) writes:
>From: Louis C Mattas <ta-lcm10@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu>
>Subject: thriambos ths ethnikhs mas sthn islandia me 1-0
>
>Espase to ...pago sto pagwmeno Peikiabik, h ethnikh mas omada podosfairou, me
>th vikh ths epi twn ghpedouxwn Islavdwn me 1-0 bazovtas ta themelia gia thn
>prokrish ths gia prwth fora sthn istoria ths se telikous Pagkosmiou Kupellou.
>Apo Ethnikos Khrux 8 Oktwbriou 1992....


	Perimene na prokrithoume prwta. Polles fores 3ekinisame kala, alla
kataferame argotera na apokleistoume. 
	Auti ti fora omws mou fainetai pws kati mporei na ginei. As elpisoume
oti to '94 tha mas dwsei paromies xares me to '87 ! An kai oi epitixies tou
podosfairou den tha ftasoun aftes tou 'basket'...

									jd.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9770 soc.culture.bulgaria:1533 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9145
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:29:51 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: re: I would not call you a LIAR but FORGETFUL (was: A LIAR)

Plamen Bliznakov (bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu) writes in posting
<14OCT199214192442@envmsa.eas.asu.edu>:

> In article  <92288.032900PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PXP111@psuvm.
> psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos writes...
>
>> The only person ever drawing a scenario about his country in-
>> vading the ex-Yugoslav republic was, I think, L.Boyanov...
>>
>> "...if some Serbians start claiming that Macedonia is nothing
>> more than Serbia and Bulgarians start claiming that that's no-
>> thing more but Bulgaria..."
>>                               Luben Boyanov
>>                 Message-ID: <6343@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
>>                 References: <92277.172939PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
>>
> Luben says "IF <this scenario> is drawn" rather than "I am dra-
> wing <this scenario>".

Word-games?
From what I remember  I was talking  (without involving his anti-
war beliefs) about an actuall netter implicating his country in a
discussion that concerned the division of a particular land, when
neither the Serb  nor the Greek netter  said anything close to it
in this conversation... and that is all.
(Actually I think I have another excerpt from a different day as
well, on the same theme but this is not important.. The whole to-
pic is more or less trivial though  after  Svilen's clarification
that he never meant that Greece plans an invasion.)

> Now back to your first paragraph:
>> The only person ever drawing a scenario about his country in-
>> vading the ex-Yugoslav republic was, I think, L.Boyanov...
>
> To the best of my knowledge,  during  May 92 somebody among the
> Greek netters  EXPLICITELY  has written that Greece is ready to
> undertake any action, including military intervention,  to stop
> hostile propaganda from  "the ex-Yugoslav republic" .   I.e. he
> didn't say "IF <there is a scenario of Greece invading "the ex-
> Yugoslav republic">" but rather that "<this scenario> exists".

I hadn't noticed this other discussion. If you do not mind please
let me know on the this person's excerpt  (if you have it handy),
or at least provide me the e-mail-account,  for  I'd like to find
more over this plan.
I am  surprised to find myself so much uninformed over this plan,
so I'd appreciate  if you contacted me by  e-mail and gave me the
account number.
You see Plamen,  I'd like to ask this other netter for additional
details over it and discuss it for I had not  though Greece as so
much "prepared"... and I promise I will let you know.

> Best regards,
> Plamen Bliznakov

Thanks for the civilized discussion,
Andronikos Romanos

=================================================================
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9695 soc.culture.turkish:10620
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Sinek yokken ortada neden kuyruk sallar "tamtamlar".
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:50:14 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Bw36px.DC4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pt8684@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis) writes:

>  Afto to anekdoto den to akousa prin.  Ksereis pou egrapse o kosmos
>  thn kybernish otan tou zhtouse na mhn kanei thn diadilwsh sthn
>  0essaloniki, e?

Merakli bir "tamtam".

Source: Veysel Eroglu, "Ermeni Mezalimi," Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 
        1978.

pp. 169-170.

"Ermeni Mezalimi'nin Erzincan'daki canli sahidi Haci Dursun'un bu 
 kitabin yazarina aglayarak anlattiklarini arzediyorum:

 'Erzincan'da ahaliyi kisim kisim toplamaya Ruslar'in cekilmesinden
  bir ay sonra basladilar. Once imamlari ve muhtarlari Devekuru'ya 
  yol yapma bahanesiyle topladilar. Fakat bunlari Kilise Meydanindaki
  Kiliseye goturup aksam oldugunda onar kisilik kafileler halinde kuyu
  baslarina getirip davar keser gibi kestiler. Sonra diger halki da 
  emsaliyle toplayip ayni hunharca mezalimi irtikap ettiler.

  Kactiklari gunu Tilhas'li Mahmud Efendi'nin coluk ve cocugunu 
  dogradilar. Sipyatagi'li Hoca'nin dort oglunu kursunladilar. Jandarma
  Yuzbasisi Memduh ve hemsiresini Tasci Mahallesindeki evlerinde
  katlettiler. 

  Isledikleri katliam korkunctur. Mesela Kanligol Mahallesinde bir adami
  oldurdukten sonra duvar kenarina dayamislar, gogsunu yarip cigerlerini
  ve girtlagini cikarip girtlagini agzina, cigerlerini de kucagina 
  vermislerdi.

  Osmanli Ordusu sehri kurtardiginda Kilise Meydaninin civarindaki 
  harabe ve arsalarin Ermeniler tarafindan katledilen muslumanlarin 
  cesetleriyle tiklim tiklim dolu oldugunu gorduk. Erzincan ahalisinin 
  takriben %90'ini coluk, cocuk, kadin ve ihtiyar demeden katlettiler. 
  %10'u ancak mucize eseri kurtulabildi.'

 Dursun Dayi'nin kalbi yaraliydi. Aradan gecen yarim asirdan fazla zaman
 bu yarayi kapatamamisti.

 Mamahatun istikametinde ilerliyen Turk kitalari, Mamahatun (Tercan) 
 kasabasinin kamilen denecek derecede yakilarak kasabanin yerle bir 
 oldugunu ve ahalisinin evlere doldurularak yakmak, sungu ve kursunla 
 oldurulmek suretiyle imha edilmis oldugunu gormustur. Mamahatun 
 kasabasi icinde ve civarinda sungu ve kursunla sehid edilip Turk 
 kitalari tarafindan toplattirilan masumlarin adedi ucyuzu buluyordu."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Turkish Logic
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:45:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Oct07.164449.33648@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>In article <1aumvpINNr5l@agate.berkeley.edu>, sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
>writes:
>>In article <Oct06.194326.38784@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>>
>>> It's based on the desire of the majority of the Cypriots to unite Cyprus
>>> with Greece. Don't forget that in 1939 Hatay that had a 60 percent Turkish
>>> population united itself with Turkey. The idea of enosis is contemporary
>>> to that event. Why couldn't Cyprus which had 80 percent Greek population
>>> unite itself with Greece?
>>
>> Sorry. For 18%, it meant exchange of colonizers for the worse.
>
>Colonizers? Get real.
>
>>Now, tell me what is wrong with a free and independent Cyprus?
>
>Nothing wrong. But the Turkish side wants partition (taksim).

Vow. You know exactly what we want, don't you ? 
Even better than us, ourselves ?!!!!

>
>>Why was this "union" so important that, some people contributed
>>to its destruction. If there weren't this uncompromising attitude
>>of some Enosis supporters, the Republic of Cyprus could have worked.
>
>Enosis was not the problem. Taksim was. The Turkish Cypriot leadership
>tried hard to pick a fight with the Greek Cypriots and justify a Turkish
>intervention. This is something said by the first Turkish ambassador to
>Cyprus. I can provide details if you missed my early September posting
>on this.

Right, right, right!!!!

You have your story. We have ours. 

The result: Nothing

By perpetuating your story and trying to make others believe that
your story is the "correct" one is nothing but BOGUS!!!! 


A Turkish Cypriot === member of a community of 120,000 (before 1974 that is)
who suffered under the torture of a community of ~~~550,000 

>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas
>
>"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."