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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Homeschooling
Date: 2 Jan 1993 01:49:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1992Dec31.205238.4077@panix.com> mtaranto@panix.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>Mike Morris and I discussed his plans to teach his children at home, in
>e-mail, sometime last spring.  At the time, my only real concern was that
>his children would miss out on the social aspect of school, which I do
>think is an important part of it.  Mike assured me that he was aware of
>that problem, and would make sure that that he knew of its importance.
>
>My own schooling (Catholic schools in Massachusetts, Minnesota and New Jersey)
>can be used as an argument for home schooling.  I learned very little in
>High School, and was bored through most of grade school.  I wish that I
>had someone like Mike to teach me, during that time, and would gladly
>put the education of my children in his hands.
>
>Mark

What's the big objection to home-schooling, anyway?

t 
You're never going to find so many people willing and able to home-school 
their children that this will subvert the idea of public education.  

There seems to be an idea that people can simply keep their children 
at home and claim to be "educating" them when nothing of the sort 
is happening.  

All states -- don't they?  -- have regulations about credentials 
and tests for educational levels, *especially* for home-schooled 
kids. 

If I demur at any aspect of home-schooling, it would be on Mark's 
ground of insufficient socialization.  


Most articles I've read about successful home-schooling have been about 
families who have 3+ children, and the parents seem to feel that 
sibling contact  is all the socialization their children need. 

I'm not sure about that, but then I was an only kid. 

--Barbara


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From: callahan@lost-boy.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:12:20 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>annie@garnet.berkeley.edu  (Anne Jessop):
>>All kidding aside, because after all this is rec.arts.books...
>>why wouldn't graphic _novels_ count?

>It's a judgment call:  Where do you draw the line?  If I'm counting the
>number of books I've read this year, can I count each comic book?  How
>about a run of comic books:  Can I declare that issues 1 through 8 of
>Sandman should count as one book?  If not, does this change because
>those issues were reprinted as a graphic novel?  Maybe.

How about match books?  There must be at least one or two chain smokers on
this group...
--
"I would rather be torn to pieces by the poison-clawed cat, than to suffer one
instant of acceptance by the resident intellectuals of rec.arts.books." 
     [slightly modified; attribution left as an exercise to the reader]
              -- Paul Callahan, callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu --
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From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics (was: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age)
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:30:40 GMT

In article <1hsj58INNs6b@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

John L. Scott wrote:

	To my credit, I never had the same problem with Hark, 
	the herald angel.

Joan Shields (me) wrote:

    Gee, I always thought it was "Mark, the herald angel, sins..."

Then Francis, El RABworm, wrote:

  I think you mean:

	Mark, the [30 something]-year-old Angel...

  Of course, you have to be a New Ager like Mark to appreciate this one.

And now Joan Shields (me again) writes:

No, I meant what I said, "Mark, the herald angel, sins (or sings)".  I've
never heard or seen him do either but I'll bet he does both beautifully :)

As for Francis, well, his sins are probably more interesting and much 
more exotic than the average bear or the average rabworm ... :) :)

Then again, I'm not a New Ager, didn't think Mark was either... oh well

Yours in wet fishes and chocolate covered kisses,

Joan

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:23756 rec.arts.sf.written:16913
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Date: 4 Jan 1993 04:02:47 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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In article <C0B8My.HBG@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris) writes:
|                                   Sunday, the 3rd of January, 1993
|
|Curtis Yarvin writes:
|  If taste were knowledge, chefs would be savants.
|
|My own experience is that my taste changes, sometimes
|dramatically, with increasing knowledge. It seems natural
|to me, then, that people who know more about an art form than
|I do will have a different taste for it.

But why should theirs be thought better?

c
egalitarian despite the astounding size of my penis
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Good Westerns
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:40:41 GMT

In article <92363.141715U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I will admit to having enjoyed Larry McMurtry's _Lonesome Dove_ quite
>a bit, although Westerns are not usually my cup of tea.

	I loved the made-for-tv film(s) of it and never felt the urge
to read the book, Robert Duvall et alia having defined those characters
for me so well.

	I felt a bit guilty about this declasse' preference (for a *tv*
movie, yet) until I saw Cormac McCarthy quoted to the same effect.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
	"That's a bird bone, chair, Bob.  I don't know if I should sit there."
				Tom Waits
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:05:31 GMT

Sandra Loosemore writes:

	  	kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:

			   Jan Yarnot writes:

			   I've had an eventful r.a.b. year.  I read some 220
			   books     	[....]

	   	Whoa, hold on just a minute. 220? That's incredible, I am
		in awe.

Yes, that's a lot of books, but not beyond the bounds of credibility.
I think my own total for this year is around 130 or 140, but I've been
reading a higher proportion of history and other nonfiction and less
lightweight genre stuff than I've done in past years when my total
has also topped 200.  

	First I felt good after Jan assured me that she had been
	a) unemployed and b) laid up with a broke foot. Hmmm, that's
	not going to work as a sentence that conveys my meaning is it?
	I felt relieved that it was exceptional circumstances that
	allowed Jan to read 220 books; however, now along comes Sandra and
	voila - it isn't exceptional circumstances it's an exceptional
	person or a dedicated person, or something.

(If you're the sort of person who can check out half a dozen mysteries
from the library and read them all in a single weekend, or who tries
to set aside an hour or two for reading every evening, all those
books can add up pretty quickly.)
	
	Although I don't read many mysteries any more I do set aside
	nightly periods for uninterrupted reading and it still doesn't
	add up to those kinds of numbers. And I know Mike Morris has
	already posted something I haven't seen yet that details how
	he read 1492 books last year (in honor of Columbus). 

Sandra

	Keith 
--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:33:44 GMT


		  Evelyn Leeper writes:

	       	  Speaking of which, another test of biblioholism is:
		  Do you spend more time planning what books to take on a trip
		  than what clothes?


	Sandra Loosemore writes:
	Not to mention: do you have to think about what *not* to take with so
	you'll have enough room for all the books you'll be coming back with?
	Or, do you spend more time planning what bookstores you'll visit than
	on any other aspect of travel planning?  Or extend business trips by
	two or three days so you'll have time to visit all the local
	bookstores?


Or, taking an empty suitcase along for the books you'll buy. Or,
immediately upon getting into town checking the "books" section of the
Yellow Pages and cross-referencing with a map. 

Keith


--

Keith Morgan kamorgan@athena.mit.edu
In the end nothing could be said of his work except that it was
preposterous and true and totally unacceptable. Edward Whittemore
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: UK mail-order
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:35:14 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.bbn.com

What's a good source for ordering small-press books from the UK?
Credit-card acceptance and general reliability are musts; fast
delivery is appreciated, but not essential. Email replies to
rshapiro@bbn.com. Thanks (& apologies if this is a faq, but I couldn't
find the list) --

rs
From: qpit@werple.apana.org.au (Peter Cupit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Anne Rice Fan
Date: 28 Dec 1992 09:02:03 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
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hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael J. Hennebry) writes:

>In article <105531@bu.edu> mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
>>Are there any Anne Rice fans out there anymore?

>There is my aunt Marlys. Me, I thought The Withcing Hour was a horror
>story all right.


Well I am a fan of Anne Rice.   I have only read the Vampire stuff
so I may not be totally familiar with her work but...  It all made 
sense to me.   I'm also an Edward De Bono fan so I don't go in for
critical appraisals.   Anne's books just went in with pictures which
fitted neatly into my head associatively and made cool emotions and
her books have nice digressions ie not single threaded.  I guess
some people may not think much of her work but I probably wouldn't
understand why I should not,  I just wish I had read the things when
I first heard about them, when I was 5 years younger.

Peter.


Peter David Cupit.
qpit@werple.apana.org.au



>-- 
>Mike   hennebry@plains.NoDak.edu
>"I myself have had to change banks having filled the first one up."
>                                                            Terry Pratchett
-- 
Peter David Cupit.
qpit@werple.apana.org.au
From: exujbl@exu.ericsson.se (Jerry Blackerby 214-907-7810)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Good Westerns
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:04:52 GMT
Reply-To: exujbl@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Almost any of Elmer Kelton's books are well-written.

I grew up on Zane Grey's books and have loved LaAmour's.  I am very
critical of most writers.  I do not enjoy Zane Grey's books anymore and
am always looking for a new writer to read.

Jerry


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Reading as an addiction (Was: 92 in rabreview)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:16:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.175313.25919@athena.mit.edu> kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan) writes:
> In article <1992Dec31.050130.24366@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
> anxiety when I cannot read. This week, for the first time in two
> years, I neglected to bring reading material for my daily subway ride.

Speaking of which, another test of biblioholism is: Do you spend more
time planning what books to take on a trip than what clothes?

Clothes are easy--two pairs of pants, a couple of shirts, a couple
of T-shirts.  But should I take the thick Dickens novel I've been
wanting to get to?  Or maybe a couple of thinner books so I can
carry the current one around easier?  The science book would be good,
but it's a hardback.  Is bringing an science fiction book to a science
fiction convention coals to Newcastle?  If so, is it less silly if I
plan on getting it autographed?  And so on.

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presense
of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
-Nathan Engle
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:29:56 GMT

annie@garnet.berkeley.edu  (Anne Jessop):
>All kidding aside, because after all this is rec.arts.books...
>why wouldn't graphic _novels_ count?

It's a judgment call:  Where do you draw the line?  If I'm counting the
number of books I've read this year, can I count each comic book?  How
about a run of comic books:  Can I declare that issues 1 through 8 of
Sandman should count as one book?  If not, does this change because
those issues were reprinted as a graphic novel?  Maybe.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Stein and Hemingway (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split...)
Reply-To: s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.184949.340@panix.com>, mtaranto@panix.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>
>hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu (Heather) writes:
>
>[interesting and thoughtful response to Michael Wise deleted]
>
>
>Good article.
>
>Mark


Yes.  I would also like to thank Heather for a most informative and perceptive
post.

michael mcdonald
From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: 92 in rabreview
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:01:54 GMT
Organization: Moi?

In article <1htpq3INN95b@agate.berkeley.edu> annie@garnet.berkeley.edu  (Anne Jessop) writes:
>
> why should graphic novels not "count?"
>
>Anyway, I am just curious ("curiouser and curiouser") as to the standards
>for what counts and what doesn't in this tally, first of all, and secondly
>(perhaps the same question, worded differently), what is being "counted?"  

It's my list, that's why.  

*Nyaaah*

JoAnn mentioned technical articles and stuff, things-for-the-thesis,
the one I'm not writing because here I am nyaaah-ing at you.  I don't
count those either, except for the ones bound into a book which I've read
in its entirety, and heaven knows I've read about 10K pages of this stuff.
A lot of it on microfiche, which is hard on the eyes and the brain.
>
>All kidding aside, because after all this is rec.arts.books and not
>alt.contraceptives or alt.dental.hygiene, why wouldn't graphic _novels_
>count?
>
Again, because it's my list.  I really HATE finding pictures in my books, 
unless they're kiddie-books.  I was going great guns through Gordon Dickson's
"Dorsai" series when I collided with a picture book, and it put
me off the rest.  I don't like large print editions either, yet.
>
>

--
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | When you go out into the world,
			      | watch out for traffic, hold hands,
                              | and stick together.
CSUS depends on my every word.|             --Robert Fulghum
From: irwinke@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Keith Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Cultural Appropriation and the New Age
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:32:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu


I'm new to this internet thing and thought I'd post a few questions for
general discussion, just to test the water, so to speak.

I'm interested in books having to do with cultural appropriation.  Here are
the kinds of questions I'm interested in, specifically, but anything along
these lines would be helpful.

I'd like to know what people think about New Agers (ie, Europeans and
Euroamericans) appropriating the spirituality of various indiginous and
small scale cultures.

What are some of the ethical issues involved?

What does this sort of New Age appropriation say about members of the
"dominant" culture?

What kind of effect might it have on the cultures being appropriated from?

Would you say that the New Age in its various manifestations,
especially in regard to this issue of spiritual appropriation, fits
within the framework of AFC Wallace's revitalization movement theory?

Thanks,

Mary Smith-Nolan
Department of Anthropology
Oregon State University
From: BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Non-rabelaisian farts were flatulence was Ngaio Marsh
Date: 22 Dec 1992 13:58:28 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

   John Hatt, in his book The Tropical Traveller, says that he met a man
in Africa who was known, quite seriously, as "The Man Whose Grandfather
Farted."  Apparently this ancestor had passed wind at a particularly
inopportune moment and the family never lived it down.

   Book content:  The Tropical Traveller is an excellent and
entertaining book, recommended especially for independent-minded
travellers.  It contains much good advice for travelling adventurously
in third world and other countries.


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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Sjowall & Wahloo and other series
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:11:27 GMT

In article <1737@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
>mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>: 
>: For readers who like to follow the growth of a character over the course
>: of several crime/mystery novels, I recommend Robert Parker's first 12
>: Spenser books, beginning with THE GODWULF MANUSCRIPT and ending in
>: VALEDICTION. (The books after VALEDICTION, which marks a natural
>: conclusion to the series, show a significant drop in quality.)
>
>Is that right before the truly ridiculous one in which Hawk and
>Spenser go out and kill everybody in the Pacific Northwest?

Yes. If Parker had stopped the series with VALEDICTION, the series itself
would have been a masterwork in detective fiction. Now it's just a
franchise.

>I do agree
>on the early ones, though- the first one (The Godwulf Manuscript? 
>Why can't I remember the titles of mystery novels?) and the
>aforementioned Looking for Rachel Wallace are especially good.

I agree with both your recommendations here, although I like all the books
through VALEDICTION.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: jahb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JENNIFER A. HEISE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Help
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:44:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

MMany public libraries and school libraries will be willing to sell their
outdated encyclopedias when they acquire new ones (or when they reach the
bottom of the information "food chain").
You can also contact reputable used-book firms to see whether they often
receive used editions.
You will want to be careful about not buying additional EB sets (Junior World
Books, etc).
I've never bought an encyclopedia: this is just what I remember from a
reference course.
-- 
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.

"The toad beneath the harrow knows Exactly where each tooth-point goes;
The butterfly upon the road Preaches contentment to that toad."  Kipling
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman)
Subject: Emily PRAGER, anyone?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 08:21:55 GMT

I have just finished Eve's Tattoo, the most recent book by Prager. A Vintage
Contemporary published by Random House (pp US 10$). This is the first book by
this author I've read...brilliant.

Eve is just turning 40 and 'celebrates' her birthday by getting the number of
a Death Camp victim tattooed onto her arm (#500123). She does this as a
memorial statement to the women whose picture she has come into contact with.
Eve dubs this woman Eva and winds up telling friends and strangers varying
stories about who "Eva" was and how she spent the war. Note: Eve is not crazy
and although her act is totally outrageous the story is a compassionate look
at 'modern' people looking back at the war. Compelling as hell.

Prager has also written   A visit to the Footbinder and  Clea and Zeus
Divorce as well as WW2 Resistance stories (which, I believe, would be
nonfiction.

Anyone else read this writer? If not, do.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: *Any* kind of r.a.b split, or at least a *serious* discussion
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:09:51 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Mark Taranto writes:
>Due to the recent unpleasantness in this group, I am seriously considering 
>whether it is worth continuing my participation here.

Maybe the split in r.a.b could be along the lines of
-- rec.arts.books.sidney-smith*

good-naturedness, banter and high toned whimsy permitted, discursiveness
expected but not required. This would be the venue for maintaining the
illusion that work need not be done. 

-- rec.arts.books.greco-roman 

gruntin' and rasslin' and posturin' and defendin' High Culture: logic,
citations, and axes to grind required. This would be the venue for
showing off, putting down, and sustaining that all important illusion
that work is being done.

*Nothing sacred in the name. eb-white would do. thomas-waller. The
exact name is negotiable.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> One never knows, do one?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Ngaio Marsh info requested
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:04:26 GMT

In article <1h5el3INNsbk@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>Mike Godwin writes:
>
>	I'm trying to think of some non-Rabelaisian pieces about farting. 
>	Are there any?
>
>Geoffrey Chaucer's *THE CANTERBURY TALES*. The Miller's Tale?

Technically non-Rabelaisian, I suppose, but, then, so is the piece in
"Tama" to which Jack Campin referred.

I think there's much "Rabelaisian" humor in Chaucer, though.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost