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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: California Angels /David Segui
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:43:56 GMT

In article <Bxrns4.HKF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130r92d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark R Miller) writes:
>Hey Buddy!
>
>The Angels wish that they had a player of David Segui's caliber.
>
>This Gaetti Guy? Who is He? A .226 average with 12 homers and 48 rbi's.
>                            .267 on base pct.
>
>
>David "The Lion" Segui!- 1 error compared to 22 for G-man.
>                       - 306 on base pct. to .267 for G-man HA!
>                       - 23K's for Segui to 79 for Gury!
>                       - 0 caught stealing for The Lion to 1 for Gbetto 100%
>                        better

If you had been around long enough, you know what I said when the Angels signed
Gary Gaetti.

And no, Segui still can't (and shouldn't) crack the Angels' lineup.  Neither
should Gaetti.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies #1
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:18:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92326.144720RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>"what the hell is a phillie? that's got to be the worst name for
>a professional team ever."
>
>well, what illiterate morons decided to spell "socks" "sox"?
>
>carlton fisk was a red sok, now he's a white sok?
>
>bob vesterman.
>
I guess that makes all the Colordo Rockies a "chip off the ol' block."
-- 

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From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Fritters Of Delight Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tigers in 93? (Was: Re: Brewers in 93?)
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:53:31 GMT
Organization: Betrayed By Pinheads, Inc.

Les Arrow writes:

>>Rickey Henderson, in his MVP season, ate up 457 outs. Anyone who can drive
>>in 120 runs and hit 40 HRs could play on my team.

Bzzt.  Sorry, that's incorrect.  But thanks for playing.  Rickey Henderson, 
in 1990, consumed 340 outs, not counting GIDP, which I don't have data
for, but I'm relatively sure Rickey didn't ground into 117 DPs that year.

Probably closer to 5 or 10.

Rickey consumed 466 outs in 1986, and I believe that's his highest total.
Even then, he posted a .828 OPS, and stole 87 bases, getting caught only
18 times.  And played great defense.

Rickey, even at his advanced age, is an offense waiting to happen.
He turns 34 on Xmas day, and I would be ecstatic if the A's signed him
to a four-year deal at big bucks.

You may or may not like Mr. Henderson.  But face it.  Over his career,
he is probably the best offensive player in baseball.  Rickey hits for
average, hits for power, walks a bunch, and is a prolific, efficient
basestealer.  No one is CLOSE to being as multifaceted, or as excellent.

There are guys who hit for a higher average.
There are guys who hit for more power, although not as many as you would
guess.
There are guys who walk more.  (Ok, TWO guys.)
There are guys (now) who steal more bases.

But - given the choice of any ONE player in baseball, 1980-1992, overall,
who is the best offensive player?  Rickey.  And it's not close.



-- 
*  Gary Huckabay  * Note new mailing address: glhuckabay@ucdavis.edu.    *
* Looking for the * Note new, expanding waist size: 36.                  *
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: the anti-hit is gone
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:46:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.182132.4452@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

[What the hell is the Jose Lind trade for?  What's going to happen to Miller?]

>ESPN reported that yes, they plan to move Miller back to the outfield.

>Quiz: What does a team with two of the 5 worst offensive regulars in the
>AL do?

>Answer: Pick up the worst offensive player in the NL, of course.  Isn't this 
>solution obvious to everyone?

>The only explanation I can think of is that there is a secret race between
>the Royals and the Angels to see who can put the worse offense on the field
>next year.  With this masterful stroke, it appears that the Royals have taken
>an early lead, but I'm sure the competition will continue to be fierce.

Well, the Angels just signed Torey Lovullo.  That's a start.

Incidentally, the Angels last year managed something I've never seen before.  
They had no players, NONE, who slugged .400.  Not even a September
callup.  Rene Gonzales lead the team with a .398.  (He also managed to
be the only one, besides Dick Schofield's 3 ABs, to have an OBP above .350)

Now, Gonzales has a good year, but when he's your only above average
offensive player...  And the worst part is, you look at their team and
don't even see any hope.  Who even has the *potential* to be above
average?  No one at c,1b,2b,ss, OR 3b. Chad Curtis, maybe.  Anyone else?

This is a team that protected John "I'll show David Howard who the worst
offensive player in the league is!" Orton.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Steve Howe
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:05:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92324.152402RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>well, gee, maybe *parents* should try to be role models for their
>children instead of pushing the job off on some other guy, whose
>only qualification is that he can throw a little ball at 95 mph.
>
>as for pete rose, this is one of the stupidest arguments i've ever
>seen (yet a lot of people make it).  they say, "pete rose wasn't
>given a second chance, why should steve howe be given an eighth?"
>duh.  the question should be, "steve howe's been given eight chances,
>why shouldn't pete rose be given a second?"
>
>bob vesterman.
>
Will we, the inquiring minds, ever know the full extent of the deal cut
between Rose and the now-dead commissioner?   I can't help but wonder why Rose
isn't making more noise on this, he certainly was never shy about speaking his
mind.
-- 

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Subject: Update please on the Humm Baby
From: Bill Laird <COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 16:33:20 EST
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services

Can someone give me an update on the Humm Baby himself, Roger Craig. Is he
going to retire, or stick it out? Has their been any speculation of what the
new ownership group is going to do?

Roger Craig is probably the best thing that ever happened to the SF Giants.
It never ceases to amaze me how he gets every last ounce out of his players.
I hope the Hummster will coach for at least 2-3 more years, as his value to
the organization can't be understated.

Thanks for any info
Bill
Organization: University Libraries - Library Automatio, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:03:35 -0500 
From: Christine Hogan <ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rockies Schedule

Hi

I would like a copy of the Rockies SChedule if on eis available

Chris
From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trade Clemens?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 18:53:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


	While I'll be the first to admit that the baseball intelligence of
Gorman and Sox management may rival that of my desk, I don't think they're
dumb enough to trade Clemens.  Here's why:

1.  Before the Clemens Era (pre-1986)-Fenway was rarely packed as it has been
    lately.  The only reason so many people were at the games this year was 
    that most of the tickets were sold before the season started.  I doubt
    that will happen this year, unless they sign a quality free agent (not
    another Clark or Young).  Because of this, they need someone to put people 
    in the seats, and Clemens is the only one on that team worth watching.

2.  The Red Sox have never been a team to commit to rebuilding.  True they'll
    dump some overpaid veterans, but they always keep enough to compete within
    a year (ala the collapse in '87 in which they dumped Buckner,Baylor for
    players like Burks, Greenwell, followed by a division title in '88)

3.  The Red Sox know that there would be severe backlash from the fans if they
    traded Clemens (look at the response about Wedge) and with as pitiful a
    product as they've got, they have little room to spare.

4.  Management knows that they are incapable of getting the true market value 
    of Clemens in a trade.  They have had little luck in the few times they
    obtained prospects (Schiraldi, Wes Gardner) and prospects are just that
   prospective superstars, while Clemens is the BEST in baseball.  No team
   can afford to trade for Clemens because it would devastate their team, as
   the Sox would demand quality major leaguers.  Just look back to last off 
   season when no one was offering anything decent for Burks or Greenwell (who
weren't considered as bad at the time).


	The Sox are going to go hard after the big names like Joe Carter, who
always hits great at Fenway, Mark McGwire (a real power hitter), and maybe
Sierra.  As bad as this team looked in '92, they could contend next year IF
they get a quality power hitter, average seasons from the rest of the offense,
and the same quality pitching they had the past two seasons.  Offense (or lack
of it) is was caused them to finish in last, not bad pitching.


	On another note, while I applaud the Eck on the Cy Young, and 
understand why he got it, I can't see how Jack McDowell finished ahead of 
Clemens.  True McDowell won 20 games, but he didn't do much else.  The Rocket
one 18 games for a last place team, led the league in ERA, was in the Top 5
in innings, shutouts, K's, complete games--put him on a decent team and
he easily goes 20-5 (put him on Toronto with Jack Morris support and he 
probably goes 30-6).
From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: the anti-hit is gone
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:54:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <By3Fxy.GEu@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.154635.6448@Princeton.EDU>, 
>      niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes...
>>Incidentally, the Angels last year managed something I've never seen before.  
>>They had no players, NONE, who slugged .400.  Not even a September
>>callup.  Rene Gonzales lead the team with a .398.  (He also managed to
>>be the only one, besides Dick Schofield's 3 ABs, to have an OBP above .350)
>> 
>>Now, Gonzales has a good year, but when he's your only above average
>>offensive player...  And the worst part is, you look at their team and
>>don't even see any hope.  Who even has the *potential* to be above
>>average?  No one at c,1b,2b,ss, OR 3b. Chad Curtis, maybe.  Anyone else?
>
>I thought Tim Salmon and Damion Easley were supposed to be comers, although
>I admit I know nothing of their backgrounds. Are they older or something ?
>
>Ted Kury
>v085f2wd@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

Salmon is 24, and hit 23 HR in Midland in '91, came back with 29 at
Edmonton this year, plus 2 more at California. His '90-91 projected to
about 230/340/350, i.e., not particularly noteworthy. His Edmonton proj
jumps to about 300/420/510; at age 23 that may have been true
improvement. I'd look for 250/350/400, with a reasonable chance of
being 50 points low on all.

Easley will be 23 next year, but hasn't demonstrated the ability to
get on base and use his speed. His Projection from last year is
240/280/295, very blah, but a perfect Angel.

Don Barbara is 24 next year, has low-middle power, average average,
but walks a ton. His 90-92 projections are a 259/365/349. These are
the type of numbers that don't get playing time; they are very similar
to, but a little worse than, Warren Newsome of the White Sox. 

Last year, the only Angels with an equivalent average over .240 were
Curtis, at .243, and Gonzales at .254. The only Angels whose 88-92
totals reflect numbers that high are Polonia (253), Curtis (245),
Salmon (248), and Barbara (248). Considering they have to carry the
weight of DiSarcina at 180 and Orton at 170, not to mention Sojo's
211, we can count on the Angels to be trailers in runs once again.

Clay D.
From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Keith Mitchell ???
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:10:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com:
>
>How could the expansion teams pass on Keith Mitchell. 

[...]

>After Nied was taken (brilliant choice, kills me to see him go as he's from
>Dallas where I live) Mitchell was available. 

If this is true (could Mitchell really not be on the Braves' top *20* list?)
then certain 2nd round picks fail to make any sense at all.  As in, why
would anyone take Freddie Benavides, Carl Everett, Ramon D. Martinez, Cris
Carpenter, Steve Decker, or Vinny Castilla if they could have Keith Mitchell
instead?  It boggles the mind.  Keith Mitchell is quite probably better right
now than any outfielder on *either* the Marlins or Rockies roster, and all
you have to give up to get him is Vinny Castilla or Ramon Martinez???  

How many people *still* feel that professional GM's must know what they're
doing?

>The Braves escaped from this a lot better than I thought they would. I mean
>Marvin Freeman, Damon Berryhill and Mitchell were readily available and not
>taken.  The expansion clubs could have hurt the Braves a lot more than they
>did.

Yup.  Of course, now the Braves will make up for it by not playing Mitchell,
who is completely invisible to Braves management ("He has this mysterious 
power to cloud men's minds..."), and playing Nixon and Hunter instead.



-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Expansion Draft on T.S.N. (Canada)
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:06:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


  Good news Canadian ball fans! The Sports Network is carrying the expansion
draft at 2p.m. Eastern Time. I assume they'll just pipe in the ESPN broadcast
and I think that's great! I'll be watching....

					Gord Niguma
					(fav untrotected player: David Nied)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Re: Keith Mitchell ???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:27:09 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27027]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu

In article <1992Nov18.192059.26358@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes...
> 
>How could the expansion teams pass on Keith Mitchell. As an avid Braves fan,
>he looked great last year (.318 avg on pennant contender) and has good minor
>league credentials. He's young and he has shown he can hit ML pitching. True 
>he did slump a bit in spring and this year in AAA but I think he could step
>in and play a good LF for Colorado or Florida for a long time.

	He would look great as a outfielder for an expansion team.  But
I never expect he'd end up on one.  I figure that the Brave's three protect
players (after the loss of Neid) were Pete Smith, Merker and Mitchell.  

>The Braves escaped from this a lot better than I thought they would. I mean
>Marvin Freeman, Damon Berryhill and Mitchell were readily available and not
>taken.  The expansion clubs could have hurt the Braves a lot more than they
>did.

	The idea wasn't too hurt the existing clubs but to stock the expansion
clubs.  Freeman and Berryhill weren't nearly as interesting to the expansion
clubs as they were (are) to the Braves.  Freeman is fairly good but he's also
thirty.  Berryhill is marginal no matter how you slice it.  I would have taken
Reynoso over both of them.

Dave
__________
Dave Bonar
eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
__________

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Clemens Market Value (read Lou Gorman!)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:51:28 GMT

  Most of the trades for Clemens thus far projected by the netters are
anti-Boston. They tend to be "Hey we'll give you our crappier players but
we'll give you a whole bunch of them for him". When dealing with a team like
Boston and a HOF'er like the Rocket GM's shouldn't go around looking for
decent players: he's got to find superstars.
  The Red Sox don't need Todd Stottlemyre or Jeff Blauser or Gerald Williams;
players who may project as half decent players but have absolutely no superstar
potential. They need guys like Keith Mitchell, Domingo Jean who could project
as superstars in future years. The only reasonable deal I've seen thus far is
trading for Pudge Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez. These guys are all-stars now
and are extremely young to be playing at a high level. They could be the 
cornerstone of a WS team. Jeff Blauser won't win you anything; he'll help but
he's not the kind of guy you can build a team around like Roger Clemens.
  The Yankees trade proposal dealt with Domingo Jean, Hensley Meulens, Gerald
Williams, Wickman and Habyan. Why would the Red Sox actually want Habyan? He's
a usable pitcher, but what does he have to do with future Red Sox success?
Nothing. Same with Gerald Williams. If I were Gorman, I'd want Millitello and/or
Hitchcock in the deal or sayonara New York.
  This is a problem I see alot in the Strat-O-Matic leagues I play in. Trading
quality for quantity will ensure a finish out of the playoffs. It is very easy
to obtain and average player, if you need him. To acquire a star or a future
star is extremely difficult and shouldn't be done unless in return you gain
a future star or a current star. 

						Gord Niguma
						(fav player: John Olerud)
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Steve Reed -- Once a Giant, Now a Rocky -- WHY?
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:52:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Giants fans out there, let me ask you something -- Why on earth did Rosen &
gang leave this kid unprotected?  He only set the all time National
Association record for saves this year.  He is, no, was one of the best
prospects the Giants had, and now we have nothing.

Yeah, yeah, I know we have Rod Beck.  We could also have the best set up man
in the league.  Now he will either be the ace or second fiddle to Holmes in
Colorado.  I don't think this was at all a wise move on the part of Rosen &
gang.

I can only get a little relief from this.  We didn't lose Salomon Torres,
Rick Huisman, or Kevin (?) McGehee.  Thank goodness for that......

But Steve Reed?  Oh, this hurts.  Glad he went to the Rockies and not the
Marlins.  That would be the ultimate blow.

-- 
Jason Lee
jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
GO ROCKIES 1993
Baylor for President
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Marlins fans are merely jealous...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:23:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <wilbanks.722137910@spot.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU  
(Wendell Gee) writes:
> So, I proudly make these predictions:
> 
> September 2000:
> LOS ANGELES (AP) - The Colorado Rockies locked up a wild-card berth in the
> National League playoffs today, beating the Dodgers 4-2. David Nied got 
> his 45th save of the year.

You mean the Rockies used their number one draft 
pick to get a mediocre closer? 
And I thought they were looking at Nied as a starter 
(like most other people look at him)...

seeing, hearing
john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu (Floyd Vest)
Subject: DRAFT:  1st Round
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:17:38 GMT


Round  Team Player              POS   LG   92Team
1-01    COL Nied, Dave          1-P   NL    ATL
1-02    FLA Wilson, Nigel       7-OF  AL    TOR
1-03    COL Hayes, Charlie      5-3B  AL    NY
1-04    FLA Matinez, Jose       1-P   NL    NY
1-05    COL Holmes, Darren      1-RP  AL    MIL
1-06    FLA Barberie, Bret      4-2B  NL    MON
1-07    COL Clark, Jerald       7-OF  NL    SD
1-08    FLA Hoffman, Trevor     1-RP  NL    CIN
1-09    COL Reimer, Kevin       7-OF  AL    TEX
1-10    FLA Rapp, Pat           1-RP  NL    SF
1-11    COL Young, Eric         4-2B  NL    LA
1-12    FLA Hibbard, Greg       1-P   AL    CHI
1-13    COL Reed, Jody          4-2B  NL    BOS
1-14    FLA Carr, Chuck         7-OF  NL    STL
1-15    COL Aldred, Scott       1-P   AL    DET
1-16    FLA Whitmore, Darrell   7-OF  AL    CLE
1-17    COL Cole, Alex          7-OF  NL    PIT
1-18    FLA Helfand, Eric       2-C   AL    OAK
1-19    COL Girardi, Joe        2-C   NL    CHI
1-20    FLA Harvey, Brian       1-RP  AL    CAL
1-21    COL Blair, Willie       1-RP  NL    HOU
1-22    FLA Conine, Jeff        3-1B  AL    KC
1-23    COL Owens, Jay          2-C   AL    MIN
1-24    FLA Yaughn, Kip         1-P   AL    BAL
1-25    COL Ashby, Andy         1-P   NL    PHI
1-26    FLA Tavarez, Jesus      7-OF  AL    SEA

-- 
Floyd Vest <fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu> <fvest@auducvax.bitnet>
Manager, Administrative Systems--Auburn University, Alabama USA
Voice: +1 205 844 4512  BBS: +1 205 745 3989  FIDO: 1:3613/3
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Australian Ball - Strange ground.
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:47:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <griffin.721701840@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> griffin@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU  
(Sean McGerty) writes:
> Sydney Blues(Blue Jays) vs Perth Heat(Astros).  -(affiliations)
>  
> Imagine a home ground that looks like this....
>  
>  
>                  |\
>           ______ |.\  <-- Net 
>          /      \|..\
>         /        \ ..|
>         \         \ .| 30ft
>          \         \ |
>           \         \|
>            \        /
>             \  /\  /
>        300ft \/  \/ 230ft
>               \  /
>                \/  

> My question is, are there any grounds in the states this demented?

Not in the majors anymore. I did attend a 1982 minor league game a Breese  
Stephens field in Madison,WI. The RF fence was 240' away and 30'-40' high.
On the other side if the fence was Washington street. One of the major  
streets on Maison's East side. Every fifteen minutes or so the fans would  
chant "Bus! Bus! Bus!" as one of the LTA vehicles rolled by. Don't know if  
anyone ever did manage to get a bus (though the Mautz paint store across the  
street was another story).

seeing, hearing (my two sense worth)
john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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