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From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mark Bavarro
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:27:38 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <1992Sep2.144742.23800@gvl.unisys.com>  (Steve Loomis) writes:
>
>	The last word I had on bavarro was that he was expected not to
>	make the team. I have not seen anything to back this up in the
>	papers over the last several days.

The NY papers listed (Tuesday) that Bavaro made the 47 man roster. Will he
still be there after all the teams "adjust" their rosters this week, time will
tell.
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From: v130pwbq@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Mark Clayton
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:34:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Has anyone heard when Clayton is do back and what exactly was wrong with
his neck? Thanks in advance for any information you can give me. 

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:16:59 GMT

In article <JLAWLOR.92Sep15092425@ptdi12.intel.com> jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com writes:
>
>>      So if the score is 31 to 34, and Cofer is called. They expect
>>      him to make the field goal. Thats what they paid for.
>>      If he misses more than a couple, better get rid of him. It
>>      did wonders for Norwood and Johnson.
>> 
>John> Hey, if it is 2:07 left to play, it is the QB's responsibility 
>John> to drive down the field and win the damn game.  The team's 
>John> inability to score is not the fault of the kicker. On this
>John> particular game, the Niners had their opportunities to WIN
>John> the game. They should not have to rely on a kicker to bail them out.
>
>So why have a kicker at all if you're not supposed to rely on him?
>Boy I'd love to have the job in that case.  
>
Hey, I agree with you in principle. That is his job.  I was just
interjecting what I considered a valid point.  The QB has to go
for the score.  The WRs have to catch the balls.  The RBs have to
hang on to the ball.  So what happens, this poor guy who is "cold",
has to come in under tremendous pressure just to get the whole
team off the hook because of their inability to score 6 points.
I will agree that Cofer should go but hell, he is only one guy.
I kind of feel sorry for him, but hey life's a beach!
>
>So maybe it's not correct to say Cofer lost the game for them but
>rather that a good kicker would have won the game for them.
>--
Jay, I couldn't agree with you more. It is funny how you guys end
up aligning with me, at least in part. :-)
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   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Weekly spoiler picks
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:26:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep3.164610.11652@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>>NewYork Jets         over   Atlanta Falcons
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   This week's guiding principle is to pick the flashy offense
>>on opening day.  This will be the best time to take advantage
>>of defenses which haven't jelled yet.  Later on in the season,
>>a number of these picks would go the other way.
>>
>If this is the case, shouldnt Jerry (Offensive Line? Whats that?!?)
>Glanville's patented Run-n-shit offense prevail in this game?

Well, actually, he had the right pick for the wrong reason.  The Jets will win
because Atlanta has a pass defense that should finish last in the NFL and a
run defense that isn't so great either.  Let's face it.  The San Antonio Ri-
ders (of the WLAF) would rack up big numbers against these guys.  Why?  The
pass D was very bad last year WITH Deion and Brian Jordan.  Imagine how they'll
do without (well, OK Deion for only half the season).

The Jets, on the other hand, are pretty decent defensively.



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From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Keywords: Niners Bills
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:43:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.231954.19953@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>In article <BuH5Ft.67v@acsu.buffalo.edu> jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonny B.) writes:
>>>In an article re: "Buffalo Bills are underdogs", jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
>>>(John P. Gloria) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>Whoever wins, it's going to be a great game...
>>
>>	That's all that I have to say about it...I watch the games because I 
>>love football...I do not watch games to make a profit...I don't bet. As for a 
>>prediction...any given team can beat any given team on any given day...I just
>>hope the Bills are the given victor on sunday!!!  :)
>>
>Well, the best team won this Sunday.  Anyone with any
>objectivity will attest that an INT by Young towards
>the end killed their drive.  The Bills played good,
>obviously.

And I take it waste o' flesh Cofer had nothing to do with the Final outcome!
This was a great offensive game, but both Defenses have a long way to go. I
completely disagree with your statement that the best team won. Buffalo dodged
a major bullet Sunday. Neither team proved better than the other.

Don Newson

>
>I must state though that both defenses were giving up
>mucho yardage.  What was it, over a 1000 yards of total
>yards between the Bills and Niners.   The Niners had
>an edge in almost categories accept the final score.
>
>Damn good game!
>
>
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>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
>   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe


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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:27:24 GMT

In article 8882@selway.umt.edu, sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
>|How many of you out there think that Madden is the WORST football announcer
>|on the face of the planet...  Here are a few of his classic quotes..
>|
>|'They don't want to get an interception at this stage of the game'
>|Excuse me?  I wasn't aware that ANY team EVER wanted an interception
>|at any point during a game...
>|
>|'They have to put some points on the board....'
>|Again!  Madden astounds us with his excellent grasp of the obvious.
>|
>|I could go on for years.. I was wondering how many people agree with me.
>|I won't even metion last weeks game when he was pointing out people who
>|knew how to have a tailgate party and those who didn't.  Oh well..
>|
>|							W O L V E R I N E


I think thou doth protest too much.  Most if not all sports announcers have a 
knack for the obvious.  Show me a color commentator that hasn't mouthed those 
same words sometime in their broadcast careers.  Besides, I think Madden adds 
a lot of insight into the games, I learn a lot about the game listening to him.  Granted, he has not been as informative these last few years.  I also enjoy his 
schtick, he certainly beats the hell out of all the other stiffs out there.

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Niners/Bills (gag)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 01:41:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


As you've no doubt heard by now, the Bills outlasted the Niners in a
game that showcased either two superhuman offenses, or two pretty
ratty defenses.  Unfortunately, I'm inclined to believe that it's an
equal mix.

I don't mean to take anything away from either offense, but on both
sides, the tackling was slipshod, the coverage ran the gamut from
sparce to nonexistant, and even the turnovers were more the result
of rare offensive lapses than inspired D.

How a team can run up almost 600 yards of offense and lose is beyond
comprehension.  For the Bills' part, they could very easily have
walked away from a near-perfect offensive showing with a loss.  If
anything, this game pointed out in painful detail how much improvement
both teams need to even think about the Big Dance.  The Bills might
get there with this offense, but the Niners will never survive the
more talented NFC contenders.  It's still DEFENSE that wins in the NFL 
postseason, kids, and we saw very little of it today.

Now then, some puerile ranting:

1. If we had anything resembling a placekicker, we win.

2. If we have Rice all game, we probably win (as good as the other
   WRs are, Rice is still better).

3. Montana makes that last drive work.

Ah well, it may not have been that impressive to defense-bigots like
me, but it sure was entertaining...
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:14:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.181642.19367@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:

   Truthfully, it is getting very tiresome to read the seemingly endless
   supply of posts about "Sanders is the best" or "Thomas is the best"
   <insert your favorite football player here>.  It seems rather obvious 

Agreed.

   to me, as it should to everyone else, that a running backs success is 
   highly dependent on his offensive line.  If you don't agree with this
   you are saying that all offensive lines are created equal, something 
   which is not true.  His open field running abilities are a factor, 
   but you need to get to the open field first.  That is not to say that 

Barry Sanders has become a great runner behind a line that was terrible,
became respectable last year, and may now be terrible again.  This is *not*
an attempt to say that Sanders is great because I think he performs great
behind a bad line.  The Lions of the last three years have succeeded by
taking pass blocking linemen low in the draft, or picking up cagy vetrans,
and having them focus on pass blocking.  With the 4wr sets, and pass blocking
pushing rushers to the outside, big holes open up.  The rushing scheme works
because the 4 wr sets spread the field.  It really bugs me that the Lions
have supposedly begun to emphasize this TE power run game.  I didn't think
that would exploit Barry's skills, and the Bear's game suggests that it
doesn't.  

Bill

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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas/Skins Wrapup + *icednotes*
Date: 11 Sep 1992 23:34:07 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Sep11.151016.28434@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>
>K-Mart's punt return for a TD was truly awesome.  He was runing on his 
>own for the last 55 yards after exploding through a seam.  Truly a thing
>of beauty.
>
>BUT...I think he made the wrong decision on at least 3 other punts.  Two
>fairly short punts (30-35 yards) he let bounce.  They each rolled another
>20+ yards.  And he fair caught a line drive on the 10 yard line that probably
>would have hit at the 3 and gone into the end zone.  On the punt he returned
>for a TD, I was wondering if he was going to do something not so wise again.
>I was quite pleasantly surprised.  I know he's good for a few big returns a 
>year, but I personally would like to see more consistency.  And of course
>more returns for TDs.
>
Interesting.... I have never heard Kmart's decision making ability
called into question on punt returns.  Although I must admit that I
saw him let two balls drop that he could have fielded, I think that
there was something else going on in that game.  I have several people
telling me that the field and the ball were EXTREMELY slick.  Now I
know he is getting paid to catch and return those kicks, but it may be
that JJ didn't want a slippery ball to take away the Cowboy's
momentum.  In both instances they had plenty of time and the right
score to make this logical (once was at the end of the half, plenty of
time left >2:00, and the other time they were dominating and up by a
bunch).  However I must agree that all other factors being equal (i.e.
no JJ interference) he should have fielded those...

On the one that he fielded at the 10, I kindof doubt that it would
have landed at the 3....  Picture this:  Kmart is 5'8" tall.  The ball
is coming from a great height almost straight down (or even straight
ahead, it doesn't matter).  Any ball that he can catch is not going to
land too far from the 10 yard line.

Now, the general rule for punts is let anything inside the 10 go.  He
caught it on the 10.  He also saw that there were several Washington
players there to down it had it taken a weird bounce.  Certainly he
exercised his option to catch it or not, but I don't think it was a
mistake...

contrasting opinions welcomed heartily:

*ice*

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From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Subject: Floyd Turner
Keywords: Broken Leg
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:09:03 GMT

I have a question about how the injured reserve works in the NFL.  If
a player is out for the season, does he get put on IR?  The player in
question is Floyd Turner who broke his leg Sunday against the Bears.
Does anyone know if he is on IR or if the Saints plan to put him on IR?

I need to know because I'm in a fantasy league that allows free
replacement of players put on IR, but waiver pickups are a buck
otherwise. Our league commisioner is being a dick about it because the
USA today stats don't have Turner listed as being on IR.

Post here or since this really isn't a broad interest question, email
me at bobj@meaddata.com

Thanks.

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worn-out old car, it's a symbol of rebellion against authority and convention,
the automotive equivalent of a little guy with a sling and an attitude
squaring off against the toughest opponent his enemies can offer."
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From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:33:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Sep9.214248.13451@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
>>
>>        "Using those two timeouts when they didn't need to
>>         was a strategical mistake."
>>
>
>What's wrong with the word _strategical_ here?  I'm pretty sure it is a word
>and it's definitely used in the corrct context (assuming it's a word, of
>course.)

It's often used, but the problem is that *strategic* is the adjective
form, so the addition of -al is superfluous.

*Summarization* is found in the dictionary, but it's asinine--take
*summary*, make it into the verb *summarize* which you then make into
a noun by adding -tion.  Stupid.

Another irritating word that Dan used frequently is "stoppage."

Dan is a buffon.  Gifford almost always calls players by the wrong
names.

Dandy Don, where are you??  I'd take the Gifford-Karras-Cosell team
any day over these losers.

And doesn't it make you sick to hear Dan try to read the "strictly
prohibitive" statement like Meredith did?  Even Don stopped doing it.
Thank god no one sings "Turn Out the lights . . . ."

Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:16222 dc.redskins:145
From: rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars)
Subject: Run-N-Shoot, Dome Teams
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:43:44 GMT

Hi,

Being a Houston fan I of course had a rough time discussing the
past football weekend.  But while I was commenting on the terrible
performance of the Redskins offensive line the unproductive 
response I usually got was:

"I'd rather loose to Houston than Pittsburgh"  [Does it matter??]

"Run-N-Shoot teams will never win a superbowl"

"Dome teams will never make it because they can't play outdoors"


I was just trying to get a productive discussion going about the 
weekend, but it seems to me that most Redskins fans are a little
sensitive.  Sure, Moon had a bad day; I'll admit to that.  That's
better than shouting "Well, Rypien will never win another 
play in another superbowl because the Redskins have to play
indoors in too may away games."

I also feel that people always argue against things that are different.
Sure, Run-N-Shoot is risky and if the QB has a bad day (like Houston
last week) chances are you'll loose.  But doesn't it add excitement
to the league??

Anyway, although the arguments did not pertain to weekend play, they
might make for a good discussing to fill the week.

Has a Dome team ever won the superbowl?

Does an outdoor team really have advantage?  

Run-N-Shoot to the superbowl?


Cheers,
rick
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Merrino Breaks Hearts in Claveland.
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:24:42 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <20341@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
> Dan Merrino brought back painful memmories of the "ELWAY-DRIVE" in
> the AFC-Championship game of the Browns with the Denver as
> he squashed the great come back of those lovable Brownies.
> 
> Boy, that dropped touch-down pass in the end-Zone thrown by 
> Kosar proved to be the difference plus some stupid penalties
> given up by the Browns in the Merrino-Drive, else, the game
> COULD have gone to OT.
> 
> Boy.... I HATE MERRINO!!!!!!!!     
> 

What did he ever do to yo?  I thought it was Marino that engineered
the winning drive?


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From: be231642@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Bret Egan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The definitive predictions!
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:44:22 GMT
Reply-To: be231642@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Bret Egan)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Dallas will win the Superbowl!!!

To all you Bronco haters-->


Elway is the MOST UNDERRATED QB in the NFL!!!


Go Broncos!!!
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From: mcs@fps.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Re: Bruce.
Organization: CRAY Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:03:03 GMT

>>In article <1992Sep8.211526.11930@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford
>>edu (Tony Bechtold) writes...
>
>>Last year, the 49ers were 10-6. Figure in a hail mary pass and a few
>>easy field goals that should have been made, and they would have
>>easily been 12-4.
>> 
>>                                                 Tony
>>                                              GO 49ERS!!!
>

Hahahahaha! 'shoulda' and 'woulda' in the same sentence!  Comical...

mike
From: wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:32:19 GMT
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

Shouldn't the same go the other way???  Who's to say Sanders is better
then Smith?  Quick question....How often do either of the two backs
get hit solid??  Seems they never really take hard hits....
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Madden sucks
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.152724.25160@ee.gatech.edu>, wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
|> In article 8882@selway.umt.edu, sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
|> >|How many of you out there think that Madden is the WORST football announcer
|> >|on the face of the planet...  Here are a few of his classic quotes..
|> >|
|> >|'They don't want to get an interception at this stage of the game'
|> >|Excuse me?  I wasn't aware that ANY team EVER wanted an interception
|> >|at any point during a game...
|> >|
|> >|'They have to put some points on the board....'
|> >|Again!  Madden astounds us with his excellent grasp of the obvious.

As long as were going to start this thread.....  Madden's grasp of the
obvious is dwarfed when compared to most (if not all) of the NBC 
announcers. These guys need to be doing junior-varsity (high-school)
games here in Texas (just to give some of our more irate
parents the opportunity to ride them out of the state). We do tend to
take the game a little too seriously down here. 



|> >|
|> >|I could go on for years.. I was wondering how many people agree with me.
|> >|I won't even metion last weeks game when he was pointing out people who
|> >|knew how to have a tailgate party and those who didn't.  Oh well..
|> >|
|> >|							W O L V E R I N E
|> 
|> 
|> I think thou doth protest too much.  Most if not all sports announcers have a 
|> knack for the obvious.  Show me a color commentator that hasn't mouthed those 

Except NBC's Bill Walsh (here we go). Whose only knack was for identifying how much
every other team in the league adopted the 49'ers style (where he had done it
first.)

|> same words sometime in their broadcast careers.  Besides, I think Madden adds 
|> a lot of insight into the games, I learn a lot about the game listening to him.  Granted, he has not been as informative these last few years.  I also enjoy his 
|> schtick, he certainly beats the hell out of all the other stiffs out there.
|> 

Supported by Madden's ~10 Emmys for Sports Broadcasting. 




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