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From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: Citizenship
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:57:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.214110.2723@u.washington.edu> yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>>I do not know of the regulations requiring a Japanese name,
>>but I have heard of one famous guitarist who changed his citizenshpi
>>from French to Japanese without changing his name.  (I suppose it is
>>possible he was an exception -- this case was about 15 years ago.)
>
>I only know the Japanized pronunciation of his name: Kuroodo Chiari.
>
>I don't know about the law either, but I think the trouble stems 
>from the fact that Korean and Chinese names are written in kanji,
>which have different reading in Japanese.  French, English, and other
>names don't have this problem.

Now hold on there! Languages written in the Roman alphabet can have
*exactly* the same problem. Just because we use the same letters
doesn't mean we pronounce them the same way. E.g. the French name
"Francois" certainly shouldn't be pronounced to rhyme with "ban toys".
A polish name example would be even better, but I don't know the
pronunciation rules for Polish names. (Case in point--I know the
letters but can't tell you what they're supposed to sound like, just
like you can't tell what the kanji for 'book' should sound like in
Korean even though you recognize the character. It's a near perfect
analogy.)

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
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From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Surreal Email
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:25:44 GMT

edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:

>This kind of accident happens almost weekly in sci.lang.japan.

>Perhaps someone will see fit to eliminate the "Reply-to:  NIHONGO" line at
>the USENET gateway.  The "Reply-to:" is worse than useless on USENET,
>since it effectively breaks the "reply" mechanism and is unnecessary for
>followups.

Hear, hear!  Please do it, someone.

-- 
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(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR (Peter McColgan)
Subject: Re:  kanji-software
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:58:04 GMT

Frank writes "If anybody else has a better idea to help you ...?"

Use ftp-mail courtesy of the University of Wollongong.  It works
really well though you end up with a lot of mail!

Rather than post their welcome note, try sending a mail to
ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au with some junk as contents and you should
get the help file return of post. You can then ftp all over
the world, though it is indirect and slow.

Thank you University of Wollongong!!!

regards from my personal sauna, otherwise known as an office ;-}

Peter

ps.  Don't be so paranoid Maiko, no-one's out to fry asses :-]
     so you can take of your asbestos undies and put your
     normal ones back on, I'm sure they're much more comfortable....
From: rto051@hippo.sps.mot.com (Chang Suk-Kyung)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: nai desu
Keywords: adjective, desu
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:05:46 GMT
Organization: TDO

In article <1992Jul23.123534.18764@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.185323.24492@news.Hawaii.Edu> mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias) writes:
>>
>> (I have heard `Gozaimasen desu,' but it should be out.

>'Sumimasen desu' is also quite common. Just between you and me and
>anyone else out their listening, the 'n' in '-masen' is related to the
>'n' in 'ii n desu (yo)'. Being a nominal, it makes sense that it can
>occur before 'desu'.

Hmm.  I had always thought that the '-n' of '-masen' was a shortened
'-nu', which is the rentaikei of '-zu', which was the classical
negative ending.  This is like "wakaran", which is not short for
"wakaranai" but for "wakaranu."

Anyone out there have more information on the history of the '-n'?
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From: jtv@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Hans van der Veen)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Asuna???
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:57:59 GMT
Reply-To: jtv@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Hans van der Veen)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <1992Jul20.170110.27008@nntp.hut.fi>, jtyrkko@vipunen.hut.fi
(Juha-Petri Tyrkk|) writes:
|>In article <BrIMx4.MMM@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
|>pjyamamo@watdragon.waterloo.edu writes:
|>
|>> <...> Canadians do not react well to cars with names like
|>> RX-7, MX-3, etc.
|>
|>> It also mentioned that while English or Foreign words are used
|>> to name cars in amusing ways (to us) in Japan, the names for the
|>> cars in foreign markets are decided by a computer based on
|>> keywords and concepts which (supposedly) describe the car (at least
|>> Honda was mentioned as doing so).
|>
|>  I heard a rumor that when the Korean Hyundai Lantra was to be
|>introduced in Finland, its model name for Finnish sale had to be
|>changed to Elantra to avoid any associations with alcoholic bums
|>mixing their "cocktails" in public parks.
|>

There are/have been more like this: 

- FIAT Ritmo (European continental name) is FIAT Strada in the UK (don't ask
  me why)
- FIAT Croma had trouble on the Dutch market, as Croma is also a brand name for
  margarine
- Mitsubishi (?) Pajero seems to be a very rude word in Spanish, connected with
  masturbation

There are a lot more, but I can't remember them...

Hans.
From: cmr@WORLD.STD.COM ("Charles Richmond, I.I.S. Corp.,              723-7695", 617)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: racism in Japan
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:21:42 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14: 21:20 TZONE

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992, Smittie wrote:

> Ethnicentrism cannot be a form of racism since ethnocentrism is based on
> ethnicity and racism is based on race. Ethnicity and race are not synonymous
> Both are forms of prejudice.
>
> smittie

Websters 3d International  (_THE_  Merriam Webster's) defines:

ethnocentric ... 1: centering opon race as the chief interest or end
	         2a: inclined to regard one's own race or social group
		    as the center of culture.

ME} Clearly ethnocentrism not only can be a form of racism but is typically a
ME} form of racism.

Oxford English Dictionary

ethnic  ....   1. Pertaining to nations not Christian or Jewish.
	       2. Pertaining to race; peculiar to a race or nation;
		  ethnological.

The derivation is from the Greek for heathan nation... interesting!


Charlie


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From: rto051@hippo.sps.mot.com (Chang Suk-Kyung)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Re: Software on Unix.
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:22:47 GMT
Organization: TDO

In article <9207272211.AA22481@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>Rhubarb cobbler for dessert.  I'm roasting a chicken for dinner for my
>cousin and his friend.  Just got back from WA Gulch.  Elk have eaten and
>trompled a lot of the Erythronium plants there.  I had to run into town on
>my motorcycle to get oil for the rented car, which was low, before we could
>drive back.

[deleted]

Was this a Zen story?
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From: db6j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Douglas S. Brashear")
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: kanji of the day #21
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:54:34 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11: 54:19 TZONE

>A provokative statement:
>When you learn Japanese, the worst thing you might do is starting to
>read the GENJI NO MONOGATARI. Its value for the understanding of modern Japan
>is nil. This can be likened to the complete irrelevance of HOMER for the
>understanding of modern Greece. BTW: The "Genji" has been translated
>to all major European languages.

Hi!
I dont really think too many people would read GENJI to learn about
modern Japan- I'm reading it right now, and I would hardly compare it to
anything I've learned about Japan!  Interesting you should mention it at
this time, though.
What other MONOGATARI would you recommend?
Thanks,
Douglas Brashear
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: db6j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Douglas S. Brashear")
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Software (questions about non-laser printers)
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:09:50 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12: 09:34 TZONE

hi!

>I'm going to buy a Mac LC II, and intend to purchase KanjiTalk and the proper
>software to do Japanese wordprocessing and take advantage of all the Kanji
>look-up software which is available.  The recent postings have been very
>helpful to me, but I need more information on printing.

I was wondering if you could possibly point me in the direction which
you obtained the Kanji-talk software and all the other software you're
referring to here!
I would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks,
Douglas Brashear
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: ba05047@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Fumiaki Kamiya)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Citizenship
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:33:01 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: CS Dept, SUNY Binghamton

In article <550@usafa.af.mil> nelson@usafa.af.mil (Capt Eric Nelson) writes:
>My wife and I had an interesting experience when we went to 
>apply for our daughters' Japanese passports (my wife is Japanese).
>The forms asked us for their names, which we supplied in Katakana.
>Then they wanted the names in Romanization.  So we wrote them as
>they are spelled in English: Jennett Miyoshi Nelson and Shannon
>Yuko Nelson.  When we took the forms to the clerk, we were told
>that we had spelled our oldest daughter's name wrong.  "Jennett"
>couldn't be spelled that way.  It had to be spelled as if it were
>being transliterated to ROMAJI.  So in the end, my oldest daughter's
>official name in Japan is now "Jenetto".  We haven't broken the 
>news to her yet, but I'll bet she will be really excited about this
>when she finds out.

Earlier this month when I went to the Japanese consulate in
New York to renew my passport, I saw a form which is to be
used when you want to romanize you name in something apart
from the "norm".  From the sample posted on the wall, it
seems to be used when you want your English name in English.

Fumi
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Sneezing
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:03:47 GMT
Reply-To: djohnson@ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>> And how about "achiii"? (from atsui?)

Well, Americans certainly aren't restricted to using "English" sounds
for sneezing, expressing pain, etc.  Occasionally, I will come up
with something sounding like "achoo", but more often, it will be
an undescribable loud sound.  But I have to agree that these sounds
can be learned; as an example, my grandfather used to sneeze very quietly
and politely before he was married, but after living with my grandmother
for a few years, his sneezes could knock out windows...
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    This is the first time I've ever eaten a patient -- Northern Exposure
From: AENIX@UMSVM.BITNET (Jerry Vincent Nix)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Extremely interested
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:41:14 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Please send me any pertinent info. I am grateful.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: English->Kanji/hiragana/katakana dictionary sought
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:12:06 GMT

P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR (Peter McColgan) writes:

>Just to make a change from "racism", I'm looking
>for recommendations for a English->Japanese
>dictionary.  It seems that "Nelson" is the
>reference for Kanji->English, but are there
>any well known references for the opposite,
>perhaps "Noslen"?

Probably the Kenkyuusha "Furigana" Dictionary would be best for you.
It has English head-words and furigana for all the kanji in the
entries.

>Regarding Kanji->English, I've heard that
>Hadamitzky and Spahm's dictionary is very
>good and that (apparently) unlike Nelson
>it gives compounds for the Kanjis which
>are not just in the first position of the
>word.  Anyone used this dictionary before?

I've glanced at it, but it's expensive here, and anyway I
love my battered old Nelson.

BTW: The latest version of my (MS-DOS) JDIC program will
display compounds with a specified kanji in any position, as does
the soon_to_be_released X11 version (XJDIC).

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From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: nai desu
Keywords: adjective, desu
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:47:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: gibdo.1992Jul23.123534.18764
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Jul22.185323.24492@news.Hawaii.Edu> mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias) writes:
>
> (I have heard `Gozaimasen desu,' but it should be
>out.  How common are such?  Is it like `o-go-chiso^sama'?)

'Sumimasen desu' is also quite common. Just between you and me and
anyone else out their listening, the 'n' in '-masen' is related to the
'n' in 'ii n desu (yo)'. Being a nominal, it makes sense that it can
occur before 'desu'. The real problem with the construction is the
redundancy of the politeness. '-masu', whether negated or not, is
already polite and shouldn't be needing a 'desu'. From what I've seen
'sumimasen desu' is nearly humble, as if two polite markers increased
the politeness.

PS: My temporary bout of senility is over. Hopefully I've said
    something enlightening.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:42:50 GMT

In article <56HNoB7w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Cam Cavers) writes:
>fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
>>
>> Or invade a continent or bomb a military installation.
>>
>> It may be pointed out that the ordinary Japanese citizenry went about killing
>> innocent people of Korean descent living in Japan after the kanto earthquake
>> (a rumor started that "they" were poisoning the ground water wells).
>
>Hmmmm...it also may be pointed out that the earthquake happened half a century
>ago...long before most countries on this continent even let blacks and whites
>eat in the same establishment. I'm not saying that the Japanese people (this is
>a generalization, nothing personal implied) are the most racially open society.
>I am saying that racism, as practiced by the KKK, Neo-Nazi's, etc., is not the
>same as the discrimination practiced by the Japanese.

I believe the assertion was made that "the Japanese never had anything like
the KKK". While this may be strictly true, it overlooks the fact that they 
have had considerable, violent racist behavior in their very recent past.

>Does anyone think the Japanese attitude toward other cultures is changing,
>though? The young generation travels to other countries a lot, and I'm
>wondering if they have a different attitude than the current controlling
>generation. Certainly, some of the Japanese people I have encountered seem
>quite enthusiastic about foreign ideas and culture...

As do most Americans I encounter, most Germans, French, etc. 

In any event, this is an issue better discussed in soc.culture.japan than
here. 

I suggest we redirect any discussion to that forum.

Mike

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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Japanese software
From: <MDSCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 18 Jul 1992 14:10:38 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

We're interested in suggestions for japanese wordprocessing software.
How can Japanese characters, once put into a wordprocessor, be electronically
transmitted?
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: OTAKU
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.021956.14061@tkymail.sps.mot.com> rto051@hippo.sps.mot.com (Chang Suk-Kyung) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.071444.21631@uwm.edu> circuit@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>>From article <36166@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, by tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim):
>>> Someone mentioned that the word "OTAKU" ("you" OR "fanboy/nerd" as a
>>> slang) has a feminine flavor. This is very different from my 
>>> understanding of the word "otaku". Can anyone give me an insight on this?
>>
>>	OTAKU I believe really means home, house, residence. And Otaku
>>used in slang as Computer-Otaku, Techno-Otaku, Manga-Otaku etc etc..
>>Probably refers to that fact that that's all these people do. IN other
>>words stay HOME and do their hobby all the time. 
>>
>>
>>	Anybody want to elaborate...
>
>The reason "otaku" sounds feminine is that it is a word used mostly
>by women (at least in the standard meaning, "your household" or "you").
>Excessive use of it (except to, say, other anime fans that understand
>your usage of it) will make you sound like an okusan.

This is not quite true. ANYTIME you want to appear polite, otaku can be used.
It is used rather extensively on the phone in business offices (by men and
women) and salesmen/women use it all the time. While women may use it more,
this is more because they are expected to be more polite in almost all 
circumstances. 

BTW, otaku is sometimes used as the word "you", if the speaker is being very
polite and the context allows it.

Mike
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From: P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR (Peter McColgan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: if you can't get *.fj then....
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:28:13 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

....you can always ftp (or ftpmail as I mentioned before) to
ferkel.ucsb.edu and there you'll find an Aladdin's cave of
treasures including a host of song lyrics (in romaji, english
translation and Kanji/Kana-JIS format).

You can then learn how to romance your koibito in Japanese :-}


From "LAMU no RABUSONGU: (Lum's love song) \
     "Urusei Yatsura" opening theme (1981)  Translation: Theresa Martin

hoshi-tachi ga kagayaku yofuke          The stars shine late at night.
yumemiru no  anata no subete            I dream entirely of you.

I won't bother with the JIS, try for yourself.


There's lots of other goodies... loads of gifs, articles on Japanese
music scene and of course Maiko's Pulitzer prize winning articles
on the Japanese school system.  Did they really finish at no.7 ?
Say it ain't so....  Article 7 finished, leaving me hanging by the edge
of my seat with the promise "the continuation is on the way".  It seems
that the Japanese school system and the British one have quite a few
things in common.


anyway good luck with Mr.ferkel.

My french ROSE awaits,

Peter
From: shibata@JOKE.CL.NEC.CO.JP (Naoki SHIBATA)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Question
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:22:06 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Norman,

>> For example, "asu" means tomorrow, right?  And "ashita" also means tomorrow.

They are nouns. Do they themselves have something to do with tense?
BTW, the difference between two is that "Ashita" sounds more
colloquial than "asu." Both can be used in conversation/writing, though.

>> So, what about "ashiteru"?  Does that also mean tomorrow?

What is "ashiteru"??? I wonder if this is "aIshiteru" or "aIteiru."
it it was "aiteiru," you should call her NOW:-)
--
Naoki.
From: yoshiaki@twics.co.jp (Yoshiaki Shiokawa)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: OTAKU
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:30:20 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

| > Someone mentioned that the word "OTAKU" ("you" OR "fanboy/nerd" as a
| > slang) has a feminine flavor. This is very different from my 
| > understanding of the word "otaku". Can anyone give me an insight on this?
|
|        OTAKU I believe really means home, house, residence. And Otaku
| used in slang as Computer-Otaku, Techno-Otaku, Manga-Otaku etc etc..
| Probably refers to that fact that that's all these people do. IN other
| words stay HOME and do their hobby all the time. 

Yes, it is. but Otaku meaning "you", too. Usually, OTAKUes call each
other "Otaku". But A few time, none Otaku Japanese use Otaku.

--
Yoshiaki Shiokawa (E-Mail: yoshiaki@twics.co.jp)

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: P.McColgan@FRPR.BULL.FR (Peter McColgan)
Subject: Japanese emphasis MBA info sought (plus a dic. reference)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:27:02 GMT

Bonjour encore une fois,

I'm thinking of going back to the States to do an MBA
but only if I can find the right program (and they will
accept me of course).  I'm looking for one which has a
strong an emphasis as possible on Japan, through language,
doing business in Japan etc....  I would like to do a large
percentage of the studies and language training in Japan
itself.  I so far know of programs offered by UCLA and MIT.

I would be very grateful if anyone could supply me with any
information or recommendations.

If posting from USENET could you please E-mail me as I don't
receive sci.lang.japan.

regards from the baking boulevards,

Peter


P.S.

Perhaps it's too hot for me here in Paris, with my Scottish
blood and all, but I read the mail from Gary Brown in probably
even hotter (how hot does it get?) and sultrier Osaka and got
just a little confused.

Just to try and make it clear there are two books (at least)
by Hadamitzky and Spahn.  One is a Japanese-English Dictionary,
whose reference has not been given yet on this mailing list, and
the other is what I called a "guide" which Gary calls a kanji
dictionary (called "Kanji and Kana").

As promised, the reference for the Japanese-English Dictionary is:

Japanese Character Dictionary (with compound lookup via any Kanji)
Mark Spahn (try and spell it right this time :-) and Wolfgang
Hadamitzky

Nichigai Associates
ISBN 4-8169-0828-5    5000yen