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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Various threads.
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:47:56 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>...on F1 engines..
>
>        I was talking to en employee of Piper Camshafts - who work
>        with Brian Hart. The current whisper is that the Hart is
>        producing around 770HP - better than the Yamaha already...he
>        also reckoned  that McLaren will get the Lamborghini engine..

The Motoring News reckons the Hart engine might soon become a Rover.
Apparently some Rover stickers appeared on a Jordan during one of
the recent test sessions.


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Senna to Penske?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:29:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.000900.5228@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes:
>
>I can see Nige finishing fourth or fifth in the points.  My inclination
>right now says 1) Al Jr  2) Luyendyk  3)  Fittipaldi  4) Rahal  5) Nige
>My heart tells me the Flying Dutchman will win it all, but my brain says
>no.  I'm also a Ford man (check the .sig).
>

What have you got against Canadians?  -)

Goodyear was fifth last year...and this year he has two '93 cars and
Ford power and more testing time.            


Gerald
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Senna to Penske?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:29:56 GMT

Robert J Unglenieks writes:
>>I can see Nige finishing fourth or fifth in the points.  My inclination
>>right now says 1) Al Jr  2) Luyendyk  3)  Fittipaldi  4) Rahal  5) Nige
>>My heart tells me the Flying Dutchman will win it all, but my brain says
>>no.  I'm also a Ford man (check the .sig).

Gerald Olchowy writes:
>What have you got against Canadians?  -)

They keep sending those crappy winter storms into the great 48!!!!!  :-)

>Goodyear was fifth last year...and this year he has two '93 cars and
>Ford power and more testing time.            

Good points.  Ok put him in at fourth and slide Rahal and Mansell down
accordingly.  I remember having a long talk with Mr. Walker during a
rather rainy Saturday at Road America in 1989. He seemed to love talking
about that little Porsche powered car.  A great guy (must be if he'd talk to
me for more than a few minutes :-) ) and I wish him well next season....
although not well enough to take the crown from Luyendyk!

Rob U
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: F1 calenders
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:04:38 GMT

In article <1gst63INNe48@bigboote.WPI.EDU> giants@wpi.WPI.EDU (J Scott Kearney) writes:
>
>   Hi everyone,
>
>	I have a general question.  A few days ago, someone posted the
>address for RP Enterprises at.... for F1 calenders.
>There was also a phone number, wwhich I called, but I only got an answering
>machine that didn't state the company's name. 
>Basically what I am asking is if it would be safe for me to send a check 
>to the address for the calender + shipping without confirming this company's
>existence. I guess I am also asking the original poster how I should  go about
>ordering one, since I have no experience in ordering things through the mail.
>i.e. do I mail to the attn of: someone...
>
>Well, thank you to anyone who can solve my simple little problem.
>Scott Kearney

I just ordered 3 calenders from them.  As it turns out, RP Enterprises is
run by one person, Tom Peterson.  I too had a silimar phone call.  Tom did
call me back (perhaps because I included a 800 phone number) and was very
polite.  I don't think I will have any problems with him, but will find out
by Wednesday.  Tom mentioned that he ships the calendars Prioity Mail, so
it shouldn't take long to receive.

Additionally, Tom did mention that his calenders are in stores, but here in
the San Francisco Bay area, he only had 2 places which carried them.  Wouldn't
you know it both of them are far from my home.  When I receive the calendars,
I will post how the calenders and service were.

I hope this helps.

-- 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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From: dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz)
Subject: Re: Racers vs Race Fans
Summary: I Need Light, Not Heat
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Westfield, Massachusetts
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:23:01 GMT


I'll second what Steve Scott said.  If you're reading this, and you are a
motorsports-racing participant, please give us your views, your weekend 
reports, your highs and your lows.

Because of the way I read this newsgroup and others, I've been able to keep
a pretty good eye on the volume over the last few years.  It wasn't that
long ago that I mildy flamed someone for posting a binary file here,
because it took the daily volume from 500 lines (including headers) to
almost 1500. 

We now exceed 1500 lines _every_ day.  The most frustrating posts are the
ones that quote 50 or 100 lines of text and effectively say, "Me too!". 

I'm as passionate as the next guy about Prost versus Senna (that b*st*rd 
Senna ought to be BANNED for what he did at Suzuka in '90 ;^), but PLEASE 
let's keep the the high-heat, no-light stuff down.

As Steve said at the start of this thread, I too miss the the race-weekend
reports of the folks who are out there DOING IT!  I don't care if you're
racing karts, dirt cars, motorcycles, strictly-stocks, F-2000, Formula 1
... If you are racing, I'd love to read what happened last race-weekend...
There ain't no such thing as a trivial race-weekend report!

								Mike

P.S.  I have kept reports posted to this newsgroup several years ago by Mr.
      Scott.  They were his "One-Lap-Of" karting series...serious good stuff.  
      I invite you to top them. 
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From: mjb@keps.kodak.com (Mark Biamonte)
Subject: Re: Distribution of messages in this list
Followup-To: mjb@keps.com
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:21:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.201408.26711@tvnews.tv.tek.com> bob@circus.tv.tek.com (Bob Wakehouse) writes:
>Ric Golen asks:
>
>> Does everyone on the rec.autos.sport list get ALL of the postings
>> or do we get postings in a random fashion. The reason I am asking
>> is that since the original onslaught of "Mears Retirement"
>> postings in the late part of last week, there have been one
>> or two postings each day announcing the "newsflash" of
>> Mears retirement.
>
>In case your question wasn't rhetorical, let me be the first (at some
>sites) to say, "Propogation Delays Are Very Real".
>
>Ain't no guarantee that a submitted posting will get to a particular
>machine within a particular time.  Sure ain't no guarantee someone will
>read it soon after it arrives at a machine.
>
>The nature of this newsgroup thing makes "newsbreak" attempts silly,
>funny, annoying, or however one's perspective sees it.  But then, what
>you gonna do?  Advise people to use judgment and restraint before posting?

In addition to this, the time in which a posting remains on the system is
finite.  When I don't read the news for a few days I almost always get a
message to the effect of "Skipping over unavailable articles" when I enter a
group.  I suspect the length of time articles exist is directly proportional
to the amount of disk space allocated to the news server.
From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:21:46 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
Distribution: world
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Robert Marti writes:

|> >bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|> >>Ohhhh....is this the same Mears who is:
|> >>- 3 time national champion ('79/'81/'82)
|> >>- 4 time Indy500 winner (79/84/88/91)
|> >>- Only driver to win 6 Indy500 poles (79/82/86/88/89/91)
|> [etc.]
|> >Has he any merits from the Formula-1?  No. That's what I thought. 
|> >Who is this guy anyway?? :-)
|> 
|> Let me just remind you that Rick Mears tested a Brabham-Ford BT49
|> back in the early eighties, achieving faster times than a certain
|> Nelson Piquet, then Brabham's #1 driver and three times F1 World
|> Champion.  A certain Bernie Ecclestone, then proprietor of Brabham,
|> offered Mears a drive as Brabham's #2 in F1.  However, Mears decided
|> to stay with Penske in CART/IndyCars.

I believe this offer was just for the USGP at Long Beach running as a
third entry for Brabham (more than two entries per team was allowed at
that time).  Mears tested the Brabham at Riverside (I think) and was
significantly quicker than Piquet.  Everything was set for Mears' F1
debut when those rascals FISA stepped in and didn't allow the entry.
They had not been given 30 days notice, so Mears in F1 never happened.

Dan Jones
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: McLaren's new engine
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:43:55 GMT

In <722770747.25593@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>> Yes, Audi is planning F1-engine, but it won't be ready until '94
>> season. So McLaren still needs engine for '93 season. 

>...which has now been confirmed as a customer-spec Ford HB. Oh how the mighty
>are fallen...

Yes. Given that they were only as fast as they were this season because
the Honda gave so much power, and that the Benettons were not substantially
slower with the top HB, then look for a significant drop in speed from
the McLaren team.

I reckon the teams pecking order next year will be :
Williams
Benetton
Sauber/McLaren <= and I think McLaren will only be this
	high because of their experience.

It will be interesting to see.


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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Cig and Alcohol Ads
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:10:43 GMT

In article <1gnqh4INN8to@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:
>
>I neither smoke or drink, but seeing sposorship decals on F1,
>F3000, IndyCar, IMSA, or NASCAR cars doesn't bother me at all!
>They have NO effect on me (I'm sure Marlboro, Budweiser, and
>everyone else doesn't like to hear that).  My point is that
>these ads do not promote taking up smoking, but switching brands
>if you already do.  How many previously non-smoking Michael
>Andretti fans are gonna start puffing away at Marlboro's in
>honor of their driver?  Not many, I submit.  Advertising is
>based on the one principal that we all have: the ability to make
>a decision.  I decide not to smoke, but at the same time, I do
>decide to wear my Penske Racing Marlboro cap.  Half the jury,
>or whatever the French courts system have, were smoking Gitanes!
> 
>Give me a break!

So what you're saying is that noone in the US would have any trouble
if the Columbian cocaine cartels began sponsoring drivers in the
Indycars or in the Winston Cup...

...the legal and illegal drug trade is interesting...southeast
Asians try to get Americans hooked on heroin...RJR and Philip
Morris have been rather successful getting Southeast Asians hooked
on tobacco...with incredible pressure from the US government no
less...you take our tobacco or we won't allow any of your products
into the US.

What is going to happen to tobacco in the next fifty years is an
going to be extremely interesting, as it is undoubtedly the most
dangerous drug in the world.

The noose around the tobacco industry is slowly going to tighten,
because countries everywhere, including the United States, are not
going to be able to afford the health costs...and advertising is
going to be the first and main target.

Tobacco has an advantage over other drugs though...being an
important product of the only superpower in the world.

Gerald
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1/INDY BLA,BLA,BLA...
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:08:43 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.225457.26003@leland.Stanford.EDU> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
>Also the F1 has more charm. Specially in Monaco and Rio... (the English

Come on, more charm than Detroit???

Terry
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Porsche trivia question
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:16:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec11.173406.9335@iscsvax.uni.edu>,
pighetti2194@iscsvax.uni.edu wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec11.202515.6416@msc.cornell.edu>, tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:
> > Not sure whether this goes here or in r.a.vw... :)
> > 
> > Does anyone out there know what the Carrera and RSR designations mean?
> > Presumably the Carrera is named after the Carrera Panamericana, of
> > (among other things) buzzard bar fame, but what makes the Carrera model
> > different from the stock 911?  Similarly for RS (Rallye Sport?) and RSR.
> > If these aren't real sports cars (as opposed to, say, Mazda's idea of a
> > "pure sports car"), you have my apologies (and direct followups to r.a.)
> > 
> > Just wondering...
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Dave
> I believe that the carrera is the convertible, the targa is the t-top and then
> there is one more name given to just the hard top.
> > 

The Carrera name is indeed taken from the Carrera Panamerica race.
Porsche's use of the name has nothing to do with a particular
body style. Before 1984, the Carrera name was applied to limited
production cars such as the 1973 911 Carrera RS. Starting in 1984,
all 911s carried the Carrera name. Because of this, the Carrera name
has lost some of its uniqueness.

RS stands for "Race Sport" and RSR stands for "Race Sport Race".
The 1973 911 Carrera RS was the homologation (street legal production)
version of the 1973 911 Carrera RSR.

The Targa name comes from the Italian Targa Florio race. The Targa is
particular body style but is not a T-Top.

I would say that Porsche has a better idea of what a pure sports car
is than Mazda or just about anyone else and the 911 proves that!!!

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"
From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Comparing lap times
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:53:10 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: xploit.eng.pyramid.com


    	* comparing Andretti's recent testing time to how Senna qualified
	  at Barcelona.

	I'll re-iterate an earlier post that I got out of AutoSport.  Ross
	Cheever in an F3000 Reynard had a pole time at Suzuka in the early
	part of the season that would have placed him 14th on the starting
	grid for the F1 race in October, ahead of Jean Alesi's Ferrari. I
	truely doubt that Cheever's Reynard would be faster than Alesi's
	Ferrari had they been on the track at the same time.

	The point here is that track conditions change.  I remember over-
	hearing a driver, that was pretty impressed with himself, state that
	he turned a better time in practice than the fast man of the series.
	He failed to say that his time was in the dry, while the fast man
	was on a wet track.  An extreme example, but I hope you get the point.

	Also, as some others have mentioned, the configuration of the McLaren
	that Senna set his time with is different than that of Andretti's.

	* comparing Damon Hill's time to Prost's.

	I'm sure there were different motivations here, Hill's contract hadn't
	been signed, and as someone sugguested, a good time might have been 
	necessary.  Prost was driving around learning the car.  Why would Willy
	want to play their cards and let the others know what to shoot for?
	This is testing, it's not qualifying.

	* the Sauber times.

	These can't be ignored, they are encouraging, and I only hope that Sauber
	are up there when it counts.  But it wouldn't be the first time that a 
	team has been the sensation of winter testing, only to disappoint. In
	pre-'83 testing, the fastest car was Warwick's Toleman.  

	I don't know if r.a.s. existed then, but their concensus would have had
	Warwick and Toleman as world champions in '83. :-)
	
Dan Jones
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:58:07 EST
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Daytona 24Hours News


In article <BzD7Av.Evq@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) says:

>A few early team drivers lineups for
>the Rolex 24 at Daytona, Jan 30-31:

>AAR (2 cars): #99 - FangioII, Andy Wallace
>and maybe David Loring.  #98 - PJ Jones,
>Rocky Moran and Mark Dismore

   ---  deleted teams ----

>bob

       Hey Bob, being I'm from the State College area and follow
       the Leitzinger's more than the local paper even does, what
       is going on here? Lorring used to drive with Bob and Chuck
       et al in the 24hr race. In fact, all season long. Is GTU
       still in existence? I'll never read about it in the CDT that's
       for sure. If it ain't P$U sports, it ain't covered!
    Brian " I remember when the Leitzinger's won their division at Daytona
            a couple of years ago and the CDT had a paragraph in it about
            3 weeks later." France   CDT is the local rag of course.
From: rob@gdfwc3.UUCP (Rob Walls)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna to Penske?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:28:54 GMT
	<1992Dec5.052646.12380@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<184551@pyramid.pyramid.com>
	<1992Dec11.012752.9468@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Reply-To: gdfwc3!rob@uunet.uu.net
Organization: General Dynamics, Fort Worth Division


>>Robert J Unglenieks writes:
>>>I could see senna going to Penske just to spite Mansell.....
>
>Dan Jones writes:
>>I doubt this.  If it was Prost at Newman-Haas, I could see this, but
>>Senna doesn't have any big thing against Nigel.

Robert J Unglenieks writes:
>Well, I can see senna wanting to come to IndyCars just so Mansell doesn't
>take the crown as greatest driver by winning championships in 2 int'l
>series in consecutive years.........

At the risk of starting an IndyCar vs. F1 flamefest, I have to take
exception to that observation.  Unless you were being sarcastic, which I
sorta doubt, it is EXTREMELY arrogant to think that Ayrton Senna is the
only person capable of beating Nigel in IndyCars.  There is more than
a handful of competitive drivers, including other former F1 pilots,
capable of giving the World Champ a run for his money.  And since Nigel
has yet to prove himself in the IndyCar arena, IndyCar veterans will
probably teach _him_ a thing or two.


Disclaimer:  I do not profess any preference to F1 or IndyCars.  I
equally enjoy both types of racing for what they offer, and I don't
have any particular hatred toward Nigel, Senna, Prost or the Andrettis.


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From: fia@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jaime Sanchez 3574)
Subject: Re: IMSA World Sports Cars S
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:57:33 GMT

In article <723870152.AA00000@aisbbs.com> Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson) writes:
>
>>[ On 12/01/92 rgolen wrote this to All ]<
>
>rr>these the "Z Cars".....Z as in ZZZZzzzzzzzzz snore! Normally aspirated
>rr>V6s wow!!!, at least the SCCA Shelby CanAms run turbo motors!
>
>Sorry Ric, but the Shelby Can-Ams are normally aspirated Dodge 3.3
>V-6s...
Not only are the Shelby cars ONLY 3.3 ltire motors they are hidious at best.
Another feebled, botched or what seems to be another, status quo, fiasco from
SCCA. Does anyone beleive that the SCCA can actually do the right thing???

Jim Sanchez.
USAC F2000
Race Director.


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From: cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour)
Subject: Damon Hill is Williams No.2 (sic)
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:02:48 GMT

Well, almost. Well informed rumour has it Damon Hill will be 
confirmed as the in the Williams No.2 seat today (Monday 14th) 
for the 1993 season to run alongside Alain Prost. 

This follows an intense testing session at Estoril last week, 
where the Williams team attempted to simulate the pressurized 
environment of a Grand Prix through the unusual presence at a 
test session of team owner Frank Williams.

Hill managed times almost half a second faster that Prost during 
this test, but just so I don't start a "Prost's better than Hill"
flame war, I'd better point out that Hill has been the Williams 
development driver for about 2 years, and hence _ought_ to be a bit
quicker than someone who's still getting a feeling for the car....

Things are shaping up, what with Sauber quicker than Benetton & the
Ferrari's, Lotus maintaining a great duo, and Senna still playing
a his cards close to his chest about his future! 



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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: F1/INDY BLA,BLA,BLA...
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:58:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.225457.26003@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) voiced her "woman's view
of F1 vs Indy".  While she is absolutely right concerning the
outstanding F1 records of her compatriots Emerson Fittipaldi,
Nelson Piquet, and Ayrton Senna (yes, he has 3 world championships
to his credit), I would like to correct the following sentence:

|> Then Fitipaldi moved to the U.S. and became the first foreigner
|> to win the 500 miles of Indianapolis and I started watching it.

Since the definition of foreigner is somewhat ambiguous (we are
all foreigners in most countries of this world ;-)  I assume she
meant to say that Emmo became the first non-US driver to win Indy.
This is incorrect.  I don't know who was the first (where are those
Indy historians?!), but Jim Clark (GB) won Indy in 1965 and Graham
Hill (GB) won it in 1966.

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From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: ignore this
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:41:57 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

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