From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Sadam
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:59:55 GMT
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In article <4977@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.022104.20463@ascii.co.jp> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
>>	May Allay illuminate Sadam Hussein to do the right thing
>>	against those who kill for oil.Insha'Allah! The opressor
>
>Surely you are joking!  Apart from rehashing the bloody history
>of Saddam Hussein [to present day, mind you], how can even dare
>suggest that he is a 'great hero' to the Arab and [especially]
>Islamic world, when he has done greater damage to Arab and
>[especially] Islamic unity than the West?

I'd like to address here the term "Islamic unity" and how
that is related to Saddam.  Islamically, are you supposed to
be on the side of Iraq or USA during that bloody war?
The intentions of the West/Israel/USA was known, that's
why *ALL* of Jihadic/islamic movements around the world was
in support or at least on the side of Iraq.  All of less
islamic poppet governments, such as Saudia/Qatar/...etc
took the other side.  Can you really say there was an
islamic split?  I don't think so.

In Saudi Arabia for example, the Dawa and the Brotherhood 
groups supported Iraq's stand, or at least they understood
the global problem and the intentions behind the fabricated
war, then took a stand, that's why they are being prosecuted
in Saudia right now.  They are NOW distributing tapes in Saudia
related to this exact issue.

No, there was no islamic division.  People either
had to appear on the other side so they can save their asses,
or take a firm stand and get kicked in the asses. Yemen
for example, knew they are on the losing side, were arm twisted
by USA for some 200 million dollars they rec from USA a year,
took sides w/iraq and got their asses kicked and lost the 200M/yr.

As to the islamism of Saddam, I cannot judge his heart really,
but his previous deeds prove otherwise.  You can ALWAYS BE 
a bad person, but when on the Freeway you see you are about
to die from a big truck that's about to hit you, you say:
Ya Allah out of fear.  i.e. you *remember* God when you 
are under pressure, serious pressure.  I think *WE* ALL 
can relate to issues like this in our lives.

I am not a Saddam supporter, but I cannot say that he's not
a true islamic believer at this point.  Under pressure you
can turn into a Salah-Adden, Abdullah Azzam, Omar,
or Abu Bakr.

We could say he wrote "Allah o Akbar" on the iraqi flag
to gain islamic support only, but why don't we apply the
same analigy to Hamas as well.

We cannot judge people's heart most of the time except
from their behavior.  I saw Saddam pray on TV, can you
Anisa say that he's not , at that praying point, bowing
to Allah?  Can you say he's not really praying for Him?
No you shouldn't.


Here is a story that happened during a Jihad battle while
the prophet pbuh was alive:

A muslim mujahid had battled with an enemy soldier, cornered
him finally, was laying on top of him, placed the sord  on
his nick.  The enemy soldier said "Ashado Anna La Ilaha Illa
Allah, Wa Ashado Anna Mohammad Rasoolo ALLah", the
muslim Mujahid killed him anyway.  The prophet got very angry,
(I guess he wittnessed it, not sure).  He told that
Mujahid: why did you do that?  Answer: He's probably saying
it so I can save his neck.  THe prophet said : Did you
see what's in his heart?  The Prophet was really angry.
May be he really felt wanting submission to God under pressure.


jle

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