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From: jdt@ulysses.att.com (Jonathan D. Trudel[ftd])
Subject: Re: CB Walkie-Talkie
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:23:17 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@ulysses.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <72357@cup.portal.com>, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
|> >
|> So I said "Hey, Joe, let's try my CB and see if we can get the CHP
|> or an auto-club driver to respond for help." So for about 15 mins
|> he stood there trying to raise someone on the "help" channel #19.
|> (Joe's a pilot and knows how to converse on radios). 

Was he aware that Channel 9 is used more often for "emergency" calls?  
In the Northeast, you'll see signs all over the place that "Police monitor
CB Channel 9 for emergencies" or some such, but it's always channel 9.
Channel 19 was more the "trucker's channel" as faar as I remember.

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From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
Subject: Re: '91 Eagle Talon
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:55:54 GMT

(Hiro Ruo) writes:
>i am an owner, and i was just wondering.... .has anyone had trouble with this
>car?  
>
>my transmission seems to stick more than on other cars i've driven, AND my
>cruise control is broken for the SECOND TIME (the car has just a little over
>32K on it).  AND at notchy higher speeds (around 70), the steering wheel
>vibrates some.
>
>anyone else have similar experience?

The cruise control evidently pops some vacuum line every so often.
I've never looked at the gizmo since the dealership was nice enough to
fix it for free every time.  I suspect that there is a TSB on it but
I've never managed to convince my service manager to let me look at
his TSB listings.

My eclipse have virbration at 60-65 and then smooth sailing from then
on until above 90.  90 felt just dandy in my Eclipse whereas 80 feels
touchy in my Acura.  Eh...then again I doubt the Integra will have bad
injectors, alternators and so forth that my Eclipse did (although I
did drive my Eclipse quite hard :).  Make sure you replace your timing
belt ahead of schedule...a co-worker lost his engine right after
warranty died from a snapped timing belt.  Mitsu was nice enough to
cover half the expense but it never should have happened in the first
place...kinda like my alternator...

>
>hiro.ruo@clemsonsc.ncr.com

Nigel
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From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:11:08 GMT

dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
: Nissan - "It's time to expect more from a car" or
:          "It's time to expect more from a minivan"
 
  Nissan - "Built for the human race"

: 
: Anybody want to add more to the list?
: -- 
: dwjz@bnr.ca    Disclaimer: my opinions only  
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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: The Amazing Cut Away Saturn
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:07:09

In article <1he5s6INNepq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:

   DOOR SKINS - the Saturn door skins and fenders are made out of some
   sort of plastic/polymer material which is different than the panels on
   the GM minivans like the Lumina, etc.  The roof, hood and trunk lids
   are made out of metal.

Saturn has gotten just about the worst crash test results in its class.
I wonder whether the use of so much plastic has something to do with it.

   The door skins and fender panels are attached to the metal frame with
   large torx screws.  What I liked was that it appeared any home handy
   man ( or woman) could probably disassemble the outer body of the car
   with no great difficulty.  Not only does that have great potential for
   cheaper body work, but it could facilitate door mechanism repair....
   in the Saturn you get into the guts of the door from the OUTSIDE of
   the car.  When you unbolt and remove that plastic door skin, you have
   immediate and easy access to the entire inner workings of the door 

Sounds very convenient for auto thieves.

   PRICING - by now I'm sure that everyone knows Saturn doesn't dicker.
   They claim their prices are not inflated like so many other vehicles....

There have been megabytes of flames on this subject here and on
misc.consumers.  Bottom line is you *can* bargain at some Saturn dealers.

   CAR WASHES - the rep says that any time work is performed on a Saturn,
   they wash the vehicle at no charge.

Wow, what a concept.  Every time I buy gas at the shell station down
my block, I get a free car wash.  Good to see that car dealers are
getting competitive with gas stations.

   There weren't too many cars on the lot - they can't hang on to them.
   I was short on time at that point, but the rep said I could come again
   any time and take a car out on the interstate.  Anyone else have
   "shopping" experiences?  I'd be interested to see them here.

A friend of mine recently spent a long time car shopping (eventually
settled on a Plymouth Laser).  I asked him if he had considered the
Saturn.  He replied "I thought about it, but asked myself, why 
would I want to buy a car whose mission in life is to be -as good as-
a Japanese car?"
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From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:34:37 GMT

evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

>In article <JTCHEW-181292085436@b50-afrd4.lbl.gov>
>	JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:

>>Mitsubishi uses three diamonds on most or all of its products, from cars to
>>consumer electronics.  I forget what they are supposed to symbolize, but 
>>they have some meaning, or at least one was retrofitted by an ad agency. 

>Most of these logos probably have no specific meaning.

>Does Chrysler's?
I don't know.

 >Does Mercedes?

Yes. Stands for: Air, Water and Land.


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From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Car bras
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:10:08 GMT

In <92357.110207SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>The US seems to be the only country in the world that uses these 'Car
>Bras' (correct me if I'm wrong). Whenever I see a car with one of these
>vinyl sheets strapped to the bonnet, it's often one of those cars that
>have those parking sensor probes sticking out of it, the hifi blaring out
>through heavily tinted windows and driving conspicuously slowly so everyone
>can notice 'the wheels'.The owner probably still has the polythene wrappers
>on the front car seats!

>No, Car Bras are very silly and if you don't tailgate (as has already been
>pointed out by some sensible gentleman)you are very unlikely to need one.

Then that sensible gentleman has never driven the Washington D.C. 
beltway. Down here they can throw stones a considerable distance,
even greater than the carlength/10mph rule.

Once, nearing Georgia Ave. a truck threw a large boulder, about the
size of a peach, from between its dual wheels. I guess the old
Buick (wherever it is now) still has the dent on the front door
pillar - about 2 inches from where my head was at the time. Not
that a bra would have helped.

>Save your money and buy a small pot of touch-up paint...

>Simon

REB

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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: 1993 Ford Probe GT - a good buy?
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:20:55 GMT


No personal experience, but Car & Driver just put the Probe GT on 
their 10 best list. In another recent issue, C&D compared several 
coupes and they much preferred the Probe over its sibling, the 
Mazda MX-6. Not that the MX-6 is bad, but it wasn't quite as refined 
in a few key areas, according to C&D. They did say the MX-6 looks 
better, and it is still a very nice car indeed.
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Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:12:09 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <CARL.92Dec30105349@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>
>Your lack of knowledge how ABS truely works is showing through here.
>

Admittedly I am not an expert on ABS, I'm just an end user.  I stand corrected.
Evens so, it seems that the computer can detect and react to the lock up faster
than the driver.
-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
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From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:19:41 GMT

In article <16105@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
> In article <236@io.trident.datasys.swri.edu>, johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu 
> (Stephen Johns) writes:
>> I've driven cars with and without ABS, and I will NEVER own a car
>> without ABS again.  Traffic and drivers in San Antonio are pretty bad
>> and love to pull out in front of you.  Numerous times on wet roads, driving
>> cars with no ABS, I've had people pull out in front of me REALLY close,
>> many times when I hit the brakes, I went into quick, small skids, and I hate
>> that feeling of not having control of the car.  (I normally keep a very good
>> following distance which many jerks consider large enough to squeeze into.)
>> Same situation with ABS is trivial, hit the brakes and you come to a quick,
>> controlled stop, steering isn't even affected that much.  But don't stop and
>> gloat, as the person behind you without ABS may be closing in fast!
> 
> 
> I have ABS and I think I want to buy other cars with ABS.  Is that 
> non-comittal enough?
> 
> So far ABS has helped in wet conditions, and my car monitors all four
> wheels.  I had an experieince that disturbs me, however.
> 
> I was going downhill, around 35 - 40 mPH in the hills above Redwood City.
> As I approached an intersection on a curve and on a steep hill, a person
> decided to run the red light and made a left in front of me.  It was 
> raining at the time.  I did what comes naturally to me -- I expected a
> collision, and decided to put the car sideways into the other car.  To
> do this, I applied heavy brakes and steered hard left.
> 
> Normally this would put the car into a skid sideways and would result in
> lessened impact with the other car (spreads the impact over a larger 
> area).  The ABS kicked in and I simply came to a stop in a half-completed
> left turn.  No collision.  Seems like a good idea, but what if the car
> could not have stopped in time using the ABS?
> 
<stuff deleted>


The City of Chicago Police Department got some new cars last year with
ABS brakes.  During high-speed chases, the police would (attempt) to
perform turns with a combination of gas/brakes to slide through corners
and found that with ABS, they couldn't do that.  So they complained to
the manufacturers that the cars were defective and to either fix them
or take them back.  The car manufacturer responded by sending the police
department a video tape on how to drive with ABS brakes.

Moral of the story: cars with ABS don't drive the same as non-ABS.

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Putting a generator on your engine won't work because the generator has
to run at a constant 3600 RPM to produce 60 cycle current; a very
important value for some appliances.

Also, the inverters (especially the cheap ones) don't produce electricity
that alternates in a sinusoidal manner as generators do; they "chop"
the electricity, creating "alternating" current that is more like a
square wave which is VERY VERY hard on anything with a motor in it.

The big self-propelled RV's have small generators for these reasons.
One popular brand that I can remember is Onan.  You might be able to
find out more about what could be done for your van if you went to an 
RV dealer.

-Gene
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From: mr@rat.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli)
Subject: Taurus/Sable Steering Corrosion Recall?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:45:26 GMT

I just read where Ford is considering recalling the '86-'92 model
Taurus for defects in bolts holding part of the frame to the body
which can result in a loss of steering control.

Does anyone have any more info on this?  Where are these bolts?  Can
the owner detect the problem?  

--
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regoli@indiana.BITNET
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From: dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: OLDsmobile name change
Date: 24 Dec 1992 09:07:38 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tteam.meaddata.com

In article <1992Dec16.142004.5004@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
|> 
|> [ . . . ]
|> 
|> As far as the Chevy Antonio, does anyone know of car names that are actual
|> PEOPLE first names? 
|> 

Yep:	MERCEDES
	EDSEL
	(others?)

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From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car bras
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 18:01:22 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <92357.110207SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>The US seems to be the only country in the world that uses these 'Car
>Bras' (correct me if I'm wrong). Whenever I see a car with one of these
>vinyl sheets strapped to the bonnet, it's often one of those cars that
>have those parking sensor probes sticking out of it, the hifi blaring out
>through heavily tinted windows and driving conspicuously slowly so everyone
>can notice 'the wheels'.The owner probably still has the polythene wrappers
>on the front car seats!
>
So much for blind generalizations.  The car bra idea was invented by Porsche,
so they could road-test prototypes without cutting up the finish.  Every major
manufacturer now use them for this purpose.  Granted, the majority of cars,
which are sitting 10-12" off the road, and are heavily rubber- or chrome- clad
up front, have little need for a nose cover.  But a lower-riding car that has
a good portion of an expensive paint job very close to the road, can certainly
benefit from a cover.

>No, Car Bras are very silly and if you don't tailgate (as has already been
>pointed out by some sensible gentleman)you are very unlikely to need one.
>
Sensible gentleman, maybe, but somewhat uninformed, or at least unexperienced
in driving on 2-lane roads -- what about the crud kicked up by cars and trucks
coming in the _opposite_ direction?  Or, for that matter, what about the crud
kicked up by cars and trucks as they pass you on an interstate?  You can't
think that all these stones know to stay in their own lane, can you?

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From: heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: A couple questions...
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:22:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <C09Fs2.6Co@ns1.nodak.edu> mcelmury@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael McElmury) writes:
>1. Has anyone found the 1993 Ford Probe GT high to insure? I am
>   Family Insurance wanted to charge me $3,200 per year for full
>   coverage. This price would go down to $2,700 when I turn 25...

Wow!  Is that in North Dakota?  Do they typically have "very high" 
insurance costs?  I would have expected it to be "cheap" there since
it's not exactly densly populated :-)

If it really costs $2700 to insure the 93 Probe GT *there*, I am afraid
to think what it would cost in a place like Massachusetts or California,
where even rates on "ordinary" (older) cars are very high.



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From: jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey)
Subject: GM Radios (was Re: Review 92-93 grand-am)
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:30:44 GMT

In article <mills.724838065@dialup.athena.lkg.dec.com> mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills) writes:
<lots of deletia>

>Stock AM/FM cassette very cheap option and really sounds great for stock radio.
>    Audi radio was awfull sounding by the way, but great controls.
>    GM radio sounds great but ok controls.
>    It took a month to figure out how to get the GM radio to scan
>    (Push seek up and down at same time, NOT in OWNERS MANUAL).


What GM tells you about the stock Delco AM/FM cassette in the owner's manual
varies from car to car.
 
A friend has a mid-eighties Grand Am, and I have an 89 Beretta.  We have
essentially the same AM/FM cassette stereo in our cars.  For a couple years
I was disappointed that I had what I thought was only four AM and four FM
presets.  Then my friend explained to me that his Grand Am owner's manual
explained that pressing any two neighboring buttons at the same time was a
preset as well.  So I actually have *seven* presets.  My owner's manual
says nothing about it.
 
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CB Walkie-Talkie
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:16:12 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In <1992Dec24.031003.23366@news.columbia.edu> walsh@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh) writes:

>I want to buy a 40 Channel CB Walkie-Talkie that could also be used in
>a car.  Can anyone give me recommendations on any brand/model and features?
>Are there any mail-order outfits?  Radio Shack has this model TRC-222 on sale
>for $70.  However, it only has 2.5 watt RF output.  Is this sufficient? 
>Has anyone heard of a brand called "Mid Land"?  Is it a reputable brand?
>Any info is greatly appreciated.

	(This discussion should be in alt.radio.cb, but I reply
	here anyway :-)

	I haven't used Radio Shack CBs ever, but $70 sounds like
	a cheapo CB. The price matters when you buy it, but little
	for next to nothing is worse than something for a lot
	better one.
	I have one Midland (I don't remember the model, 40 channel
	FM CB, with PA speaker, NB and some other features) CB
	in car use and I think it's well worth the $110 i paid for
	it. The best CB I've ever used is President Jackson - if
	you can afford it. It's worth $350 here in Finland but it
	may well be cheaper in the US. 

-Henri

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From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Corolla Lurching
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:38:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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My brother-in-law has an '86 Toyota Corolla, carbureted 4 cylinder/5 
speed that has a very noticable "lurch" going steady state speed in 
any gear.  It does not do this under acceleration and it idles smoothly.
It has been doing it for about a year.  They have had it tuned up twice
by different shops, and at least the last time they changed out the
spark plugs.  One mechanic told them "bad gas" but this has been a
consistant problem which I would have expected to have gone away with
contaminated gas.

I suspect some sort of ignition problem (like carbon tracking in
the distributor cap) so I recommended changing cap, rotor and wires.

What is the net.wisdom on other possible causes that he should be 
checking into?

Thanks in advance.  (please post recommendations so others may benefit)


Wes Fujii
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From: Ven. Polychronakos
Subject: Help with Mass Air Flow sensor on GM 2.8l V6('88)
Keywords: MAF, Mass Air Flow GM ECM
Reply-To: polychron@bnldag.ags.bnl.gov
Organization: Brookhaven National Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:27:14 GMT

Could somebody help with the following problem?
Car: '88 Celebrity Wagon, engine 2.8l V6 (the V6 from hell??)
The "service engine soon" light came on. Read the code stored; it
was 34 (MAF sensor too high). By the time I got to check it the condition
no longer existed and "scan tool" reads 5-6 grams per second at idle which
is normal. Driving is mostly normal but occasionally cuts out momentarily
and then again it's OK. At idle, some times, it acts as if it is about
to die and then suddenly the idling becomes smooth again as if the
computer finally figured out how much gas is actually needed. Occasionally
the SES light stays on long enough to verify with a scan tool that the
reading is indeed high (140 grams per second, engine idling). The sensor
is trivial to replace but quite expensive. Some questions:
  a. Is the cutting out related to code 34?
  b. How do these sensors work? Is it possible that some contamination
     causes this intermittent failure or once they start acting up like
     this they need to be replaced?
  c. Are there any third party vendors or do I have to go to a GM dealer?
     J.C. Whitney's catalog, for example, does not list any MAF sensors.
I remember somebody posting something on MAF sensors a few months ago.
I don't remember details but I think the bottom line was that measuring
the air mass into the manifold was not after all a reliable parameter
to use for the fuel delivery algorithm and that GM has either dropped
it in newer engines or is about to drop it or something like this. If
anyone has that post I would appreciate receiving a copy.
Thanks in advance, Ven. Polychronakos
 
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