HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pablo@eye1.cognet.ucla.edu (Pablo Lapuerta)
Subject: Re: Ref: Blancos o Hispanos?
Reply-To: pablo@cognet.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:14:41 GMT

In article <9211180620.AA20615@cpuserver.acsc.com>  
serrano@ATHENA.BERKELEY.EDU (Paco Garcia-Serrano) writes:
> 
> Preguntarle a un  espan~ol si es blanco o hispano es como preguntarle a  
un
> sueco si es blanco o escandinavo. Como los terminos estam pesimamente  
defi-
> nidos, creo que lo mas correcto es que se escoja lo que uno se considere  
a
> si mismo y no lo que le consideren los otros. Me parece que a un  
espan~ol
> nadie le puede negar que es hispano y si lo hacen pues habria que  
inventar
> un diccionario con nueva terminologia.Se mezclan constantemente terminos
> raciales con definiciones culturales. El ser hispano es el pernecer a  
una
> cultura de raices comunes que generalmente se encuentran en Espan~a,  
siendo
> la mas evidente de ellas el idioma. Hace an~os incluyeron a los  
filipinos
> en el grupo de hispanos porque tienen apellidos de origen espan~ol,  
claro
> pronto se dieron cuenta que hispano no podia abarcar a personas de  
origen
> 
> asiatico y crearon el termino filipino. De todos modos todo esta aun muy
> verde y por definir. Lo dicho, yo soy de la opinion de que cada uno  
escoja
> lo que se sienta. Aunque ya se que muchos diran que para unos es mas  
facil
> que para otros porque las persona de raza negra, por mucho que quieran y  
se
> sientan de otra cultura seria dificil que escogieran "asian merican". No  
se
> andando se hace camino, algun dia tendremos todos mas claro a que grupo
> pertenecemos.
> 
> -Paco Garcia-Serrano :}

No somos los unicos que tienen el problema de ser tratados como si  
fueramos de otra raza.  Leyendo en los periodicos articulos sobre la nueva  
pelicula de Malcolm X, he visto referencias a los "light-skinned muslims"  
que conocio el en Meca.  Porque no ponen "white muslims"?  

Como algunos americanos saben tan poco de sus antepasados, se describen  
solamente como "white", y prefieren usar otras palabras para gente  
estrangera. Puedes ser de descendencia ingles, aleman, o hasta italiano,  
pero lo importante es haber olvidado todo de la cultura de tus  
antepasados, para ser de veras "american" y "white."  

Pablo Lapuerta (UCLA)
From: dominguez@ESAII.UPC.ES (Pablo Dominguez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: 40 principales (el regreso)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:52:35 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Pablo Dominguez <dominguez@ESAII.UPC.ES>
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No solo esta el Jose Luis Abellan, tambien esta Fernando "Fernandisco"
que en otros tiempos tambien le llamaban "Buggy Buggy Martinez", en su epoca
de la SER en Barcelona

Propongo alguna cancion a anyadir (no 10 porque no me da el cerebro para tanto)


1.- "Que te pego, leche"
    Rumasita y las coconuts

2.- "Dicen que van a poner ferrocarril en Laredo"
    Coro de monjas calzoncillistas de Meruelo


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Pablo Dominguez                     |  "La mujer y la sardina,
dominguez@esaii.upc.es              |   han de ser santanderina"
root@jinks.upc.es                   |
Dep. Ingenieria de Sistemas (ESAII) |  "Add, Subtract and multiplex,
Facultad Informatica Barcelona      |   give me life, give me sex"  ;-)
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                                     Santander
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                #BRASIL#             |_:_  __/
From: pjm@SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: traduccion gastronomica
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:36:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxvFKI.Lxu.2
Reply-To: pjm@stevens.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


Al grano,como el invierno ha hecho su entrada triunfal en Patoburgo, pues  
apetece un buen platito caliente de .....(chaaaaaaaaaaan!!!, trompetas y  
timbales!!!!!)  COCIDO.

(para que la cosa sea "politically correct", no digo COCIDO MADRILE#O, que  
si no se puede armar...).

Mi problema es el siguiente, como leches se pueden traducir estos  
ingredientes:

Morcillo (esa carne de vaca que se usa en el cocidito)
Chorizo
Morcilla

Lo que mas me preocupa es lo del morcillo, y claro la morcilla tambien.

Otro asunto es donde encontrarlos, aqui en Patoburgo no hay ni mercados  
latinos ni portugueses, eso si, hay varios locales italianos......

Teneis experiencia con el chorizo local??? como sale la cosa???

Alguien ha intentado antes hacer un cocido con garbanzos de Kentuchy,  
patatas de Idaho, zanahorias de California, repollos de Wisconsin, pollos  
de Alabama, tocino de Florida , morcillas de Chicago y Morcillo de  
Tejas??? 
Bueno, se admiten sugerencias, pero solo de los que  tengan experiencia en  
el tema. No me vengais con chorradas que esto es muy serio.

Saludos



--
Pedro J. Moreno			(NeXTMail yes!!)
Graduate Student
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Speech Group
pjm@stevens.speech.cs.cmu.edu 
Carnegie Mellon University
From: GA94J85%WOOSTER.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: EL MADRID CAMPEON
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:48:52 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
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Moises, DAME UN ABRAZO!

Josep  :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: manuel@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Manuel Balmaseda)
Subject: Re: El Hombre y el Oso...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:36:57 GMT


	Hay un dicho en mi tierra que va algo asi:  El hombre es el que lleva
los pantalones, pero la mujer es la que se los pone.  Asi que no os hagais
ilusiones, los espanoles hemos estado siempre dominados, de una u otra manera
por nuestras mujeres y sus encantos.  Y si es por mi, que sigan.

Manolo,-- Un pacense-andaluz en la ciudad de los vientos.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Re: Do you mind..... virgin?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:57:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.001307.10308@u.washington.edu> chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee) writes:
>understand though that some people in fact see all non-virgin gals as
>the ones who would go to bed with any man; and of course, these gals
>and guys do exist. 		   ^^^^^^^

	Are you sure about this? I think they call these kind of girls
	slut here, but as far as I know and according to what my Canadian
	friends told me, they haven't seen any girls like that before.
	If these girls don't exist here in such a sexually open-minded
	country like Canada, I doubt it very much they would exist in
	Taiwan.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 18:12:28 CST
From: <U08405@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: test.2

test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (The Big Color Wolf)
Subject: Re: (1). He's a virgin?  (2). Big Breast?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:35:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.192756.8849@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:

>OK, that's our women's turn now.  Once a girl told me that she won't marry a
>virgin because "I am a virgin, so if I marry a guy who is also a virgin, oh,
>god, how will it be?  There should be someone who know how to do it, right?"
>Oh, well, how do you girls think of it?

ANS:I am not a girl, but could you please introduce this girl to me. ASSUME I'm
    a virgin NOW, say if that cute girl and I decided to get married. Then I get
    the previlage of making myself a non-virgin by finding some other girls
    maybe the night before our wedding. That's a real BONUS for wedding this
    girl.

>"Well, but you can't check, honey." I said.  "Ya, that's the most unfair part
>of it while men 'can check' us.  They even can measure the size of our breast
>by eyes!"  she said reluctantly.  Ok, so the new question pops out: do you men
>like to marry a big-breast women?

ANS:actually we CANNOT measure the SIZE by sight, but we can Categorize them
    INSTANTANEOUSLY into LARGE, REGULAR, SMALL, FLAT, CONCAVED,etc. BTW, I don't
    know what MOST men think but I personally would NOT marry a woman for her
    BREAST, HEIGHT, SKIN-TEXTURE, SLIM FIGURE, DOUBLE-EYELIDS, SWEET VOICE,
    EDUCATION DEGREE, MONEY, XXXXXXX, XXXXXXXXX, etc. I'll marry her 
    because it`s HER.

>I wanna tell you my opinion, but please, don't attack me :)
>--Yes, men like big-breast women because they have Oedipus complex.
>--Christine
							Sincerely yours,
							Julian CHANG
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:15529 soc.culture.hongkong:14814 soc.culture.china:31012
From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: NEWS: HongKong Opinion Poll
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:36:01 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

=============================== NEWS ======================================
Hong Kong poll swtich
by Michael Byrnes
Sources: Financial Review, 1992.11.23, page 10
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Hong Kong sharemarket's dramatic slide last week appears to have convinced
many people in the territory that democracy is not worth the sacrifice of their
prosperity.

A new public opinion poll conducted by Hongkong Polling and Business Research
for the South China Morning Post showed yesterday that 48 percent of people
polled believe the Governor, Mr Chris Patten, should abandon his political
reform proposals rather than risk smooth transition to Chinese rule in 1997.

The figure was up dramatically from 19 percent in October. The Change in public
attitude follows a flurry of attacks by Beijing on Mr Patten and his supporters
in the international arena.

Beijing last week acused Mr Patten of mounting an international conspiracy
against China.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This editor's notes: so far,

1) HongKong's more grass root Urban Council adopted a resolution to ask Patten
to withdraw the election reforms;

2) HongKong's Legislative Council surpported Patten's proposals;

3) HongKong's conservative but powerful business community has called on
Mr Patten to withdraw his proposals.
================================================================================
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 16:07:47 CST
From: <U50675@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: NETPOST NOTEBOOK A0

May all of us do good jobs in the coming final exam, good luck!!
From: jchang@unixg.ubc.ca (Jonathan Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Myopia
Date: 17 Nov 1992 10:24:54 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

	Is it true that if one's short-sightness is over 1000 degrees then
	one is not eligible for military draft in Taiwan ??
	Can someone please tell me ?
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Do you mind if *HE* is a virgin or not?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:35:28 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <23999@galaxy.ucr.edu>, lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
> 
> And I would propose moving this thread to alt.sex, if only
> there weren't so many political/historical posts in this
> group!

	** Well, this topic may still be Chines culture related.

	   I think most Chinese women don't mind if their husband
	   or boyfriend is a virgin or not. They may not like it.
	   However, they will accept it.

	   I don't know if this would apply to women from other
	   cultures.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: phung@attmail.com
Subject: concert: the Chinese Music Ensemble of New York
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The Chinese Music Ensemble of New York
--------------------------------------


Autumn Concert 1992

time:       Nov. 29 (Sun), 2 PM

location:   I.S. 131
            Dr. Sun Yat Sen Intermediate School
            100 Hester St.
            NYC

Free Admission

Director:   Yu-chiung Teng
Conductor:  Chang-yuan Wang

Banhu:      Wen-jie Xia
Erhu:       Jing-qiang Guo
Pipa:       Jane Xu
Zheng:      Chang-yuan Wang
Gaohu:      Jian-qiang Zhu
Pingtan:    Ling-ling Zhao

Village Voice: "...plays a repertorire that lies between the most refined
                classical idioms and the most ear-catching ones"

Daily News:    "...presented an intriguing program of sounds. Uniquely
                stimulating to the ear"


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.161549.19265@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>
>It's useless to instigate the sentiments among Taiwanese, who largely
>were people colonized by the Japanese before 1946 and still endear the
>old days. Taiwanese is a special breed of the ethnic Chinese. People
>who are 50 years or older are influenced deeply by the Japanese culture;
>young people under 30 years are strongly influenced by Japanese pop culture.
>Japanese pop figures are idols among them.
>
>Today, once again Taiwan is colonized by Japanese culturally (even
							      ^^^^^
>Hong Kong).
 ^^^^^^^^^

That's a gross exaggeration. I don't know about Taiwan, but Hong Kong
has influences from too many other cultures on a daily basis to be 
"colonized" by any one of them. 

The popularity of local pop singers
far exceed any foreigners. Just compare the price and the number of
tickets they can sell in Hung Hom Stadium.

NGOK
------------------------------------------------------------------
What I have expressed is not an opinion, but merely an expression.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: only love or only make it?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:41:02 GMT

well, just one of you guys e-mail me so: lovemaking is only make it without
love.  oh, really?

it is said that men can do that while women can't.  well, and i think it's
true 'cause there are more whores than midnight cowboys  :>

any comment?


  *** Christine ***
Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 11:04:12 EST
From: <NTITT041@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Recent Taiwan's political status

There has been an encourging sign of change of political status of Taiwan
in the last few weeks. First, France and Germany have made a significant
move to increase their economical (as well as political) involvement in
Taiwan. France signed a contract with Taiwan for the sale of 60 mirage 2000
jet fighters. The son of French President visited Taiwan. France is sponsoring
a French week (or month?) in Taiwan, one of the activities is to held a
free lottery to give away three French cars to the buyers of FarEast
Department Store chains. Germany just sent a group of governmental officers
which was headed by the Vice-Prime Minister and Minister of Economics
(the same person). This group of goverment representatives exceeds sixty
people and they came in a Germany jet. This visit has accelerated many
exchanging programs and trades between Taiwan and Germany, including the
civilian flight treaty which is expected to be signed early next year.

The second sign is the coming visit of the Trading Representative of
the U.S. She is the highest officer (equivilent to a department minister)
ever visited Taiwan since the termination of diplomatic relation with
Taiwan. The visit has been verified by the AIT and is scheduled at the
end of November.

The third sign is the first ever meeting of a Japanese minister and
a few high officers (equivilent to ministers) of Taiwan. Although the
meeting was claimed as a unofficial one, Japanese government openly
confessed the meeting. This was viewed as impossible in the past due
to the fact that Japan has prohibited any high level contacts with
Taiwan after the termination of diplomatic relation.

The forth sign is that Taiwan will establish an organization equivilent
to the North America Affairs Council in Isreal, a country which just
established diplomatic relation with mainland China. Also, if my
memory is right, Canada sent someone in the minister level to Taiwan
recently.

Although much of the above activities is due to the economical reasons
(they want to gain more business in Taiwan, especially in the six-year
National Development Projects), these countries have made significant
steps which will certainly further Taiwan political status in international
community.

Simon Song
NITT, Taipei
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 23:32:03 EST
From: <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: To all not virgin girls!!!!
 <1992Nov16.002414.5192@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

In articles <92320.175810cmlee@mtus5.bitnet>
 <1992Nov16.002414.5192@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> you write:

>>Because, what's the difference between a not virgin and a hore?
>>          Any comments??????
>>Anthony.
>
>Any one who has such an idea in mind must be a SOB.

Anyone who dares to insult like that in public doesn't have self-respect.
This kind of insults should be sent in e-mail. In my article, I just
expressed my beliefs about virginity, and the question that appears in
your article is my main reason to believe that virginity is a virtue. I
hope that if you are going to write the reference, please write it so that
the actual idea is not deformed. One last thing is that you should put your
name at the end of your article. By doing this you assume responsibility
of what you said and wrote down in your article. Since you have insult me
in public by saying SOB, I have no reason to do it privately either.

Anthony.
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: why_men_desire_virgins
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:36:13 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <92326.092113RTC105@psuvm.psu.edu> <RTC105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.150436.6006@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
>(yung-kao.hsu) says:
>
>>        Well, as I understand, the possiblity of having AIDS thru
>>        heterosexual relationship is very low (hence the rumor that
>>        Magic Johnson is gay).
>
>Just wanted to make sure that people are informed about AIDS,
>possibility of getting AIDS thru heterosexual relationship is pretty
>high nowadays.  Don't think just because one is a heterosexual, the
>...

	Thank you for making that clear for me. When I said the possiblity
	of having AIDS thru heterosexual relationship is very low, I meant
	in a `mathematical' sense (based on a report I read recently).
	However, in reality, I don't see how a rational person would bet 
	one's life on probability if one don't have to in the first place.

Yung-Kao Hsu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: Re: Do you mind if *HE* is a virgin or not?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:32:50 GMT

In article <23999@galaxy.ucr.edu> lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>It seems only fair for us guys to ask the females reading
>this newsgroup the parallel question stated above in the
>subject line.  I have a feeling that Chinese girls would
>prefer their partners to be virgins to a higher degree than
>guys would.

*** Personally, I don't think so.  I think most girls prefer a non-virgin 
    spouse, or they even don't care (because they CAN'T care).  Got it?  So see
    how many advantages you guys got!

>Well, Christine excepted, of course. :)

*** Well...  :)

>And I would propose moving this thread to alt.sex, if only
>there weren't so many political/historical posts in this
>group!

*** Good, that's exactly what I think, honey!


  *** Christine, Pei ***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:38:27 GMT

nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>This why I said that unlike Dave implied, the Bosnian situation, just like the
>human rights situation in China, is *not* a Christian morality issue.  In
>both cases, IMO, the regimes (the Serbs and the CCP, respectively) are
>committing atrocities *against humanity*, and foreign governments that
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>intervene due to this should not be considered meddling in other people's
>affairs.

Exactly my point, the above is a Christian/Western idea.  This is not
a concept of commiting a crime against all mankind.  The idea arises
from the Christian mythology of One Body, how one part of the body
gets hurt, the rest of the body gets hurt, too.  That's a Christian
idea.  In Chinese culture, you can be against heaven, against your
country, against your parents, against your friends, but *not*
against humanity.

Are you a Christian or are you on the edge of becoming a pro-USA
banana?

I am a Christian, I believe if a Christian sins, the whole body
suffers, but I don't see how someone can commit a crime against
humanity.  Someone can be against Muslims by killing them...
but not humanity!

>Dave, if you still consider it meddling, would you also consider police who
>arrest child molestors (from the children's families) meddling in domestic
>affairs?

Trick question?

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
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