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From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: re:Parliamentary System
Date: 26 Dec 92 03:50:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: sl26@ellis.uchicago.edu (sangjin  lee) writes:
(1) About the Parliamentary system:
 It's worth emphasizing that LDP was born by a MERGE of two parties, Liberal
party and Democratic party.
Thus in sum, people in DLP had exactly the same thing in mind when they
discussed the parliamentary system. Also, that's why they're trying it
again. They don't want to take a risk any more.

      You did not elaborate why they MERGED. As far as my memory serves
      correctly, it was the result of strong threat from progressive parties.
      Once the progressive force won the power in Japan. That' why they had 
      to merge and they got support from people.  That's why I am disagreeing
      you. There is no such force in Korea to threat conservative force.
      The opposition major parties are not progressive by any means.

(2) Black and White logic:
Moreover, we didn't give a chance to the opposition groups again.
If we had done, there would have been much more positive
progresses. In the ultra-conservative dominated political arena, there
would have been room for the growth of the truly progressive power,
diversification of the political spectrum of the public, progress towards a
established bipartisan system, and the freedom of political prisoners the
number of which are more than doubled during the 6th republic.

      For me, it was the opposition party who was not prepared to take a
      power. If they did, people might have been able to give them a chance.
      In Japn, Socialist party is far from being realistic. In a sense,
      Korean opposition party was far from being modern either.
      Did they experiement any "democracy" differentiating from the ruling
      party?   Didn't they point all candidactes from the head quaters while
      they were insisting "Ji-Bang-Ja-Chi"?  Without new ideas, why do people
      expect something from the unknown?
       
      After Roh's election, I  am very confused with the concept of "political
      prisoners."  Could you elaborate it in more detail?
      For me, current labor-related laws and demonstration-related laws were
      passed by "normal" nation assembly. Majority of so-called "political
      prisoners" violated those laws. (sory it sounds like Roh's remarks, but 
      let assume the progressive party or opposition party win the power,
      will they allow any kinds of violation in labor dispute or students 
      movement?

      I know my oppinion can be labeled as ultra-conservative or something like
      that. However, I have to confess that I have been changed a lot after
      long confusion with that prevailing ideal progressive political slogans
      since I left the university.  I name it getting realistic though.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: RE:DJ's retirement
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:08:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong)  wrote:
Subject: Kim Dae-jung Leaves Politics

>                Kim D.J. quits House seat, leaves politics.

>    A defeated Kim Dae-jung yesterday declared his departure frm politics,
>ending his three-decade career as an opposition leader.
>       
>    "I failed again to obtain the trust of the people," Kim said. This was his
>   third bid for the presidency.
>    "My failure was a result of my own shortcomings, and I humbly accept
>    defeat," Kim said.
>
>    Kim expressed heartfelt congratulations to President-elect Kim Young-sam.

     I am so happy to hear that we have rather "normal" election
     politics.  Now DJ got my trust again.  BTW, how about the crazy "CY"?
     

>    Critics, however, said Kim's decision to remain as a party member showed
>    his intention to use his influence behind-the-scenes.

    I hope this is not the case. 


>Liszt

    Byungtae.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:post-election thought
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:04:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim)

>In article <85765@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>>From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)  wrote:
>>Date: 20 Dec 92 03:41:26 GMT
>>
>>  Here goes my simple thoughts somewhat different from many of netters.
>>
...........
>>  Just cheap and unorganized thought!
>> 

>Mr. Byungtae Lee :
>What do you expect from president Kim Young Sam as a his supporter (who would 
>vote for him if you were in Korea, at least) ?
>I just want to listen to your opinion.
>Thank you.

   Thank you for your questions. Before my another cheap thought, 
   I'd like to make it clear that I am not a YS supporter at all. 
   However, if I had to choose one, I think, I would choose YS.
   The reasons were posted previously.

   Let's move to your question for me.
   Basically I can not expect much from YS or any other politician.
   I wish I could expect the united Korea, new taking-off economic development
   , more fair society and so on, anything that is good to us.

   However, when I think of my people, I have to stop such wish.
   People who want money from candidates,
   People who forget all about what cadidates did,
   People who still depend on students' movement,
   People who do not have any political parties based on political philosophies
   .....


   What I said in the previous thread was political sins which DJ committed
   in the past.  I still can not forgive him and will not for ever. That's it.

   Do you think I answered to your curiosity?
   Have a nice holiday!
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Pusan information wanted
Date: 29 Dec 1992 03:04:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

I've just been offered a teaching position at Kyungsung University
in Pusan.  The pay is $16,000 plus housing and insurance for ten
months.  Can anybody tell me anything about the university or
about Pusan?  Is that good pay for a teaching job in Korea?  Is
Kyungsung University on the net?

e-mail to kaygee@u.washington.edu

Thanks.
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Looking for Korean Playboy
Date: 31 Dec 1992 03:29:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article: 11424 of soc.culture.korean, piglet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
(Kyung Hee) writes:


>     Hi!


>    This no joke.  I'm looking for magazines like Playboy and Penthouse
>that
>have Korean girls in them.  I already know that there's nothing like this
>in
>Austin.  I was wondering if there is something out in Los Angeles or
>somewhere 
>else in California and possibly in New York(where Koreans are heavily
>populated) where I could get access to it.  It would be great if I could
>get
>subscriptions to the magazines.  If anyone knows anything or have any
.other 
>helpful information that would assist me in this hunt it would be greatly
>appreciated.  Thanks. 

>                                             Kyung Hee


Gosh, I don't know anything about those magazines, but I have a whole
bunch of pictures I've taken of Korean girls here in Seattle.  They're
all beautiful, they're all naked, and I'll share them with you for just
$100 for a set of twelve.  Do you like two girls together?  Special
price just for you: $7.50 per pair.  But maybe you won't like these 
pictures; all the girls are under twenty-one.  Maybe you'd think that's
exploitation.

Better forget it.
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: Christmas Eve in Seoul (Little bit long!)
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:35:10 GMT

If the story is true then I sympathized with your past and appreciate you pouring 
out your soul. It is touching if not entertaining because I'm sure everybody had 
similar experiences when they were young but never told anyone.

Thanks

TU

P.S. Merry Christmas to all of you 

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From: lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim)
Subject: Re: Congratulations you Korea!
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:22:14 GMT

inyup@python.ICSL.UCLA.EDU (Inyup Kang) writes:
: Cheers! 
: 
: The first *CIVILIAN* government in my life.  My dream comes true. 
: 
: 		 *** Go Korea! Beat Everything! Rule The World! ***
: 
: - Inyup Kang 
: 

Maybe you're dreaming.
Won't the next government be the same militia people in
plain clothes?
Yang-Doo-Goo-Yook
Keep dreaming buddy!
-dcl

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: Re: Korean Economy
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:52:03 GMT

In article <85931@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>
>        Losing ground of labor intense products are natural when any economy
>        grows.  You may not know that still Korean export is growing
>        relatively rapidly.   

is that so?
where?
would you give me some numbers on it?

>	 The problem is whether we can move into the 
>        hitech/ capital intensive industry. Singarpore government once raised
>        wage 20% during oil shock and  established tax for foreign labor 
>        in order to accelerate industry restructuralization.
>        That meant bankrupcy of cheap labor industries.
>        We can not keep such cheap
>        labor industry. So we can not judge superfacially.   
>         Do you expect still Korean export shoes, clothes, toys and so on?

yes. 
>        Then we had to block labor disputes by all means.
>

not at all.
go again any shopping center near you and check small things from Taiwan out.
They still export small things which made by small and middle companies.
They have kept developing the quality of small goods and
provided very nice after-services,
and still have solid market ground of small things.
Such small things doesn't need high tech
it just need small cute idea to improve its quality.

let's see korea
in korea, when someone invent a cute small mechandise, and
want to get a fund from bank to build a small factory, 
it is so difficult for him to get money from bank.
and futhermore let's say he is luck to get money and started to 
produce the goods. and if it seems to be popular,
well, CHAEBUL just modify slightly the idea and make the goods and sell it.
it is not the kind of environment which promote inventment.

you DO know two persons who owned middle companies committed suicided
recently, don't you?
one of them got even a medal from government.
and they said that it was impossible for them to get a loan from bank.
even a guy who got a medal from government?
well, someone might think that maybe these days banks 
in korea don't have enough money.
yes they do. there are lots of money in bank.
but they are very unwilling to give a loan since they know
in korea small and middle companies are CHAN-BAB (cold-BAB).
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim)
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:27:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.222659.10602@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>	YS : Let's talk later. (sounds like his typical response on many
>>>                                complex national issues.)
>>>	DJ : I object that system personally, but people have the RIGHT to
>>>	     choose, so I'll obey people's opinions.
>>>	CY : I support that system. I'll change it if I become a prez.
>>>
>>>Happy holiday!
>>
>>
>>Yup! Your analysis is so exact.  I agree.
>
>Analysis???? No! This was what they said in 'Kwanhun Club'.

Of course I meant the analysis of their words.  I don't understand what you're
talking about.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim)
Subject: Re: Aftermath of election
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:50:24 GMT

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
: 
:  In article <1992Dec26.032640.9167@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
: >btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:	
: >
: >
: >>        On the other hand, unfortunately it was obvious again that DJ could
: >>        not build his political base outside his province. I am from Choong-
: >>        Buk where I could not find a bit of DJ support.
: >
: >Come on, what are you talking about? DJ is more popular in Seoul than YS.
: >I think he got above 20% from all regions except Kyongsangdo (Kangwon?).
: >
: 
:           I think this figure is pretty much misleading.
:           You maybe meant 20% more including Cholla province. However,
:           as far as I heard, DJ only won Seoul outside Cholla. 
:           He did not win Kangwon, Choong Chung, KyungKi,.....
:           In addition, I said that he did well more than what I expected 
:           because he added 2 million votes to those he got in 1988.
:       
:           However, do you know how many new branches of DP were created just 
:           before national assembly election (JI-KOO-DANG-CHANG-DANG)? How many
:           setors did they give up to send  candidates?  I meant the political
:           mechanism outside his province beyond his personal popularity.
:           Only every election time, they was in hurry to pick up candidates for          those areas including my home town, ChoongJoo.   Will you insist that
:           all people from those areas are foolish enough and lack of so-called
:           historical concepts or misinformed?
: 
:           In additioin, even in Seoul, the margin was minimal.  How much
:           do you think he got outside Ex-Cholla people and liberal young
:           college or college-graduate voters?  Even in national assembly
:           election, there was clear trend that DP got more votes from the 
:           electoral sectors with high density of Ex-Cholla people.
: 
:           Byungtae Lee


I didn't know DJ had his own province. Yon mean his home town or home province?
DP didn't participate in the election in many electoral sectors, because they
couldn't get appropriate candidates. Minja had a similar problem in Honam, but
since they are the ruling party, they issued candidates at least formally.
It is a natural consequence that a political party which is severely biased in
its constituents has certain preferences.
You may disagree, but in the context of your article, you're treating people
from a certain province as a special class, aren't you?
You can oppose DJ or whoever individuals, but don't offend the general public
by saying "high density of Ex-Cholla people"...
-DCL
From: hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu (Rachael H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: To Ho Dor Seung
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec22.182515.21087@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>
>Geez, guys.  
>
>Please take that cucumber out and relax.
>
>Why is it so important to you what his real name is?  He apparently didn't
>try to hide his name.  I am sure he knew about "finger" and could have beat
>that program if he wanted to.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sophia@sophia.TTI.COM
Subject: Re: Korean Slaves 
Reply-To: sophia@sophia.TTI.COM
Organization: Citicorp
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:33:31 GMT


Sheldon, with your permission, I'm posting your article as a followup:

Hi,
I wanted to post the same thing to the net about this, then I saw your post.
I just read from a chinese newspaper about a similar story, with great amount
of details. The italian village was mentioned as well. The slaves were taken
in the sixteen century during Hideyoshi (spelling?) invasion of korea.
His army took 15% of korean population, including artisans, women and
children. Some
italian missionary bought a korean boy in one of the Japanese port
cities, and brought him back to Italy. Recently there was a rediscovery
of Rubenstein's painting titled `A man in korean costume', was thought
to be the portrait of that by. The painting 
was done in 1604.  The newstory also mentioned that those italian villagers
have Corea as their last name. It also mentioned there are descendents from
those slaves scattered in India. 

It is a truely interesting story. 

Regards,

Sheldon Chang

PS: You are free to quote from my message, if you decide to post again.
I don't know how to post to that newsgroup. 




Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Korean Slaves 
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:34:48 GMT

>In article <1992Dec21.175411.3386@ttinews.tti.com> sophia@sophia.TTI.COM writes:
>>While I was in Mexico, I met quite a lot Koreans that were also
>>descendants of Korean slaves. These people though, were only 3rd or 4th
>>generations. Their grandparents and great-grandparents were sold as
>>slaves during Japanese colony in the early 1900's. These people still
>>carried Korean features and a lot of Korean customs but they no longer
>>considered themselves Koreans. Most of them were married with Mexicans
>>or already only 1/2 or 1/4 Koreans and even 1/8 Koreans. I don't think
>>it's only Mexico but there should be quite few Koreans sold out as
>>slaves all over the world during and before the Japanese colony. 

Probably they are descendents of Korean 'immigrants' similar to those
who went to Hawaii sometime early 1900's.  Immigrants between quotes because 
they were indentured workers (similar to those who went to Hawaii around
same time frame) who had to survive on over-over-overly priced foods from 
landlord's shop and submitted to slave-like work regime in mostly sugar 
plantations.  Bet my life they suffered and many died like nobody.  I am 
sure of some literature floating around regarding the matter (which I remember 
having read but completely escapes my memory for now).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: From HJ for next president
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:40:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


			      *Warning*

Following article contains Hangul.  If your eyes do not have hanterm,
please disregard.  Fortunately, hanterm is absolutely unnecessary on
computer,though.



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hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Comment on election
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:03:23 GMT
	<1992Dec20.183100.21645@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<1h3qdcINNg0q@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
In-reply-to: shin-jungshik@yale.edu's message of 21 Dec 1992 02:06:20 -0500

In article <1h3qdcINNg0q@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:

   >post the result every hour.  Well, I was disappointed about this
   >promise.  I hope that President-elect 0-3 ( Young_Sam, Yesterday I played
   >tennis which game scores were three times of 0-3. :-) ) will not follow 
   >this kind of eating one's own words.   

     The reason they stopped updating result after 18.x % is obvious as they said
   in '.plan' of '.election'. Unlike in US election, with 18.8 % of votes opened
   and 6-7% gap between two front-runner, it's virtually hopeless that final
   result would be different from the result at that point.  (18.8 % is a big
   enough sample to predict final result). More than that, they might have been
   disappointed by the result and gone out to drink. Of course, I hope they
   went back to their work instead of going out to drink.  

I'm the one who provided the on-line result.

First of all, I'm sorry that I could not provide the updated result
after 18% count. I was very tired from the 6 hour continued
simple-minded labour, and it was too obvious that YS would be elected.

Leaving out a term paper dued the day after, I decided to stop it and
to work on the paper.

Uhhyung Choi
From: inyup@python.ICSL.UCLA.EDU (Inyup Kang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Congratulations you Korea!
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:49:49 GMT
Organization: UCLA Integrated Circuits & Systems Laboratory

Cheers! 

The first *CIVILIAN* government in my life.  My dream comes true. 

		 *** Go Korea! Beat Everything! Rule The World! ***

- Inyup Kang
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Birds, Pests, and Fungus (was Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech)
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:37:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.whine
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


We have witnessed in this newsgroup some bird-brained users at
University of Houston occasionally posting frivolous articles that
have nothing to do with Korean culture.  You pests may claim the right
to whine about netiquette, but I and many other debators, diners, and
delirious readers have also the right not to be bothered by you or
your distasteful dot signatures depicting women as animals.
   Whine at alt.whine/alt.peeves, or just regress into fungus!

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
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From: jnlee@us.oracle.com (John Lee)
Subject: happy new year
Originator: jnlee@kr2seq.us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:09:26 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I would like to wish everyone here a merry x-mas and happy new year.
Korea and her people has come far to world arena. I remember the times
when someone would ask where am i from, and respond to my answer like
'Huh! what's Korea?' (albeit at elementary school) to now where Korea
has elected a first president without a  military uniform in his closet. 
This brings about much hope for more open and democratic Korea; also  
UNITED under freedom. 

John
From: cc867@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Antoni Zwiefka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: president vote result
Date: 22 Dec 1992 05:06:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am glad to hear that young-sam kim was elacted as a 
president of korea. Because he can keep peace between
army force and political groups.###
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