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From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Help: Soccer on Philadelphia area TV
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:02:58 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan10.142605.1@wharton.upenn.edu> laher47@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>I would appreciate it if anyone on the net could give me details (day,time,
>channel) about TV coverage of the game here in the Philadelphia area. I am
>mainly interested in finding out if English FA Premier League games are being
>shown. If you know of other matches (US, South American, etc) that are being 
>shown, that info would also be v helpful.  

I don't know about Philadelphia itself, but in the West Chester area, Suburban
Cable TV show highlights of the Premier Division on the Sports Channel (if you
can stand the banal commercials that get thrown in randomly at the crucial
moments of the game). It's shown weekly on Sunday evenings, and repeated usually
on the following Wednesday. Times vary. The Sunday show is of the previous
week's matches.

>
>
>Thanks!
>-Siraz


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From: MOORES@BNR.CA (Richard Moores)
Subject: WC Games Tie-Break Solution
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:59:59 GMT

IMHO the best solution I have ever heard for the breaking of ties in the
world cup was "suprisingly", (based on the fact that I am a "don't mess
with the rules  Brit" on most Footy issues :-) ), based upon a North
American approach.

Most sports here are decided by "sudden death overtime" (First to score
wins, for those unfamiliar with the term), but FIFA has always argued that
the safety risks of keeping players on the field indefinately preclude the
adoption of this method of deciding drawn World Cup matches.

It was suggested to me that the sloution to this problem was also to be
found in N.America, where in many soccer leagues unlimited substitutions
are permitted, (in my experience anyway). The idea is this...

During normal time, the rules on substitutions remain the same (only 2 from
the 5 permitted to sit on the bench), but in the event of a drawn game
Extra Time is added as it is now with 15 min "halves" but that it is not
limited to just 2 halves. The teams play these 15 minute periods untill
someone scores (just like Ice Hockey). During these periods of "overtime"
the rule on substituions changes and there is no limit on how many
substitutions can be made, and all of the 5 benched players can be used.
Therefore the risk of exhaustion is pre-empted by the rotation of players
on and off the field (Again just like ice hockey).

To me this solution was far and away the best idea I had heard regarding
improvements to the "penalty shoot out" issue, and I believe would make for
a far more exciting and fairer way of deciding the winner. No longer would
teams be able to sit back and defend en masse to take their chances on
penalties. Ultimately, I believe, the best team WOULD win.

What do you think???


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Liverpool Football Club
THE most succesfull English Club
of all time...just check the facts
From: grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Bergkamp leaves Ajax (Re: The Great AC Milan!)
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:30:10
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In article <1993Jan11.170420.12489@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:

>
>   It was just announced on the radio that Bergkamp will leave Ajax 
>   at end of this season.  He expects to announce the team he will 
>   play for before march. In the radio message it was also said that
>   he will go to a team in Spain or Italy. This is the first time that
>   Bergkamp officaly says he will leave Ajax. He has considered staying with
>   Ajax as an option thus far. However, it is impossible to compete
>   with  the big Italian and Spanish team who are working with a budget of 
>   at least 10 / 15 times the budget of Ajax. 
>
>   Louis Kossen
>

 Well, it's a sad loss for Dutch football. 

 -grc

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From: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: AC Milan
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:53:01 GMT
Reply-To: antonio@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Antonio Maiuolo)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

In article <9301121754.AA08111@zeus.physast.uga.edu>,
loris@zeus.physast.uga.edu (Loris Magnani) writes:
> 
> This is in reply to the malcontents who begrudge AC Milan's 
> success because it is founded only on "money".
> 

I would add that the other major clubs in Italy, juventus, inter,
sampdoria, roma, lazio, etc. spent even more than Milan for their
supposedly "outstanding" players (Juventus: baggio, Platt, Vialli,
Kholer, etc. - Inter: Pancev, Sammer, etc.) but their choices were
not as successful as Milan ones. So everybody got frustrated for this
and they turned up to be very envyious, saying that Milan "kills"
football in Italy and in the world.
Well, times in which JUST Agnelli could buy the best players for juventus
are OVER, now we are damn'd happy to have "killed" the campionato, as
well as there are very good chances for EC1 and coppa Italia.
But they will say "the other teams are not so good, as well as the teams
in Europe are noe very weak because of all their best players are abroad."
This is true, but you still need to win in Italy, to get a chance in
Europe and in the World ....

CIAO!
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> I suppose the player


... omitted text ...

> As for my background, because somebody will want to know in order
> to flame me, I was born in Milan where I became a Milanista round
> abouts 1963 (I was 5) and I have lived and died with the Red-and-Black
> since then. I moved to the States when I was a boy and I still
> followed italian football. I followed Milan even in the dark days
> of 1980 when they were thrown in the second division for a betting
> scandal and in 1982 when they were relegated on their own merits...
> 
> I'VE WAITED 30 YEARS FOR THIS PERIOD OF DOMINATION AND I'M GOING TO
> BLOODY WELL ENJOY IT. 
> 
> It will soon end anyway as these things always do (See Real Madrid in
> the late 50's and Liverpool in the late 70's/early 80's), but it is
> absurb to somehow claim that Milan has gotten to where it is because
> its owners are the first to realize that if you pay more than
> the competition the better players will flock to your side.
> 
> FORZA MILAN,
> Loris Magnani
> Athens, Georgia

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From: boltyboy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Holt)
Subject: Chelsea FA Cup Round 3 Score?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 02:22:37 GMT

In all the recent lists I seem to have missed the Chelsea
3rd round score....can someone please post it and put me
out of my misery

Thanks

Matthew Holt                    CCC eOD
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From: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca (Steve Halchuk)
Subject: Cyprus v. Belgium result anyone ? 
Reply-To: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:30:35 GMT

The December issue of World Soccer states that there was to be a WC 
qualifying match between Cyprus and Belgium on Saturday, January 2.
I didn't hear any result on the BBC shortwave. Was the match played 
or is this another of World Soccer's many typos? Any confirmation/
denial of this match is appreciated.

Stephen


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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SOUNESS V SMITH
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:30:38 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


there is a lot of talk in the media that Souness was the man whochanged
Rangers from a team of mediocre also-rans into the side they are right now.
I think most of this is in fact down to Walter Smith.

compare the following:

at Rangers: Given lots of dosh to spend. Comes up with a fairly good side
            team wins titles, league cups etc

at Liverpool: Given lots of dosh to spend. Is relying on reserve players these
                days. team wins....erm....the Fa cup final against a second
              division side.....

conclusion: souness is a crap manager, smith did all the work at ibrox, souness
            took most of the credit. 
 
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From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Dismal, dismal Everton
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:31:11 GMT

One of the few joys of trekking home each xmas is that I get to see Everton
play. This time they were at home to Middlesborough on boxing day. Now
Middlesborough are a lightweight, lower to mid table team (i.e. several places
above Everton). The result was 2-2, which I guess was fair enough, given that
neither team deserved to win.

What saddened me was the complete lack of interest Everton seemed to show.
Twice they were ahead, twice they sat back and let 'boro get the equalizer.
With a defence so leaky and a forward line so short, I'd hoped there'd be a
bit of resistance in the midfield, but if anything that was the weakest area.

I guess it was a bit much to expect a slot in replacement for Peter Reid, but
they've had 3 years (or is it longer?) to find some way of replacing him, and
haven't managed.

Of course it's always possible that I caught them on a bad day, but look at
the table...

All hail Tranmere, currently Merseyside's form team.

Regards,


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From: ajgam@sabrina.inesc (Antonio Jorge Gomes de Almeida Marques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC Qual. Groups (Europe)
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:34:03 GMT
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL

In article <1993Jan7.202521.11419@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
   In article <01GPZW1L2G9E9OEC4R@vaxc.hofstra.edu>,
   ACCGAT@vaxc.hofstra.edu (Garen Tchopourian) writes:
 |>
 |>Hey guys,
 |>
 |>  In case if you are interested in who's on top of their groups here is a
 |>break_down :
 |>
 |>  Group1       Group2        Group3        Group4        Group5       Group6
 |>  I'd like to see some of your predictions on who's gonna come 1st
 |> and 2nd in
 |> their groups. I'll post mine soon. 
 |>

 [>  Ok.
 [>
 [>  Group1    Group2    Group3    Group4    Group5     Group6
 [>
 [> 1.Italy     Norway    Ireland   Belgium   Hungary    France
 [> 2.Switzerl. Netherlds.N.Irelnd. Romania   Russia     Sweden

   

No such thing on group one the teams that are going to USA are :

   Group1    Group2    Group3   Group4   Group5   Group6
  1.Italy    Norway    Irland   Belgium  Hungary  France
  2.Portugal Netherlds.Spain    Romania  Russia   Sweden


That are the teams ....
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From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
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In article <C0JoID.8L3@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David
Morning) writes:

>mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:

>>> the best facilities of any football ground in the Uk therefore I think that 
I

>>> get value for money for my season ticket.
>>> Also ask yourself this, what happened to all the cash that Celtic made in th
e
ir
>>> good years, was it invested back into the ground ? No I think not. It went i
n
to
>>> the directors wallets.

>>why are all huns so obsessed with what celtic are doing?

>.because they had 9 looong years sitting in the wings a while back as Celtic
>totally dominated Scottish fitba'

Which 9 years was that then? Not the nine years before Souness arrived -

Premier Champions

1978 Rangers    1979 Celtic   1980 Aberdeen 1981 Celtic 1982 Celtic
1983 Dundee Utd 1984 Aberdeen 1985 Aberdeen 1986 Celtic

Scottish Cup Winners

1978 Rangers    1979 Rangers  1980 Celtic   1981 Rangers 1982 Aberdeen
1983 Aberdeen   1984 Aberdeen 1985 Celtic   1986 Aberdeen

I can't remember all the winners of the League Cup, which isn't that 
important anyway, but Celtic's name hasn't featured on very often in the
last 15 years.

In the 9 seasons before Souness, counting Leagues and Scottish Cup victories:

7 Cups & Leagues for Aberdeen
6 Cups & Leagues for Celtic
4 Cups & Leagues for Rangers
1 League for Dundee United

Hardly "total domination" by Celtic. Could the "obsession" be something
to do with 100 years of rivalary? No, I didn't think so.

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From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: More money than sense
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:08:45 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <C0J6LK.6r0@smtl.demon.co.uk>, phil@smtl.demon.co.uk (Phil Loveless) writes:
> I see Celtic have let Martin Hayes go on a free transfer to Swansea
> after paying 650,000 for him from the Arsenal. Was he that bad or have
> Celtic more money than sense?

HE'S THAT BAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, if Celtic (at that time) had had a fiver, they'd have more money than
sense.

-: In The End :-

A.
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool - my boys!
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:31:03 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


      Well, I hope that a victory over Aston Villa will start something good for
   that Liverpool team which has been up and down lately.  I can't stand seeing
Liverpool in the middle of the table.  I especially hate Manchester United and I
   hope that 1993 will be a bad year for them.
      And yes, Liverpool will be in the Premier League forever, but it is
another thing to be in the League and it is another thing to perform well in it.
   Just staying in the League is not enough.
                                                              Panos
From: kfolan@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (Kevin Folan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:36:11 GMT
Reply-To: kfolan@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs

From article <C0GD7A.At2@hsi.com>, by archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer):
> In article <1993Jan5.102553.9177@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
> 
> The most exciting giant-killer game I ever witnessed was then non-league
> Hereford United beating then first division Newcastle United 2-1 in a replay
> after a 2-2 draw in 1972.  That goal, Ricky George's, I think, will remain
> in my opinion, the best goal I ever saw!
> 
Wasn't the 30 yarder scored by Ronnie Radford to equalise, and then
Rick George went on to force in the winner from close range ?

I'd agree with you though that the goal was one of the best ever.
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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: Proposal for League in USA & CDN
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:09:01 GMT
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Why do people seem to think that Atlanta is the ONLY city in the South???
It seems to me that Chattanooga would be a better place, because there is a
great deal of local support for soccer (unlike Atlanta where NO soccer news
ever even reaches the paper) and can draw from Atlanta, Knoxville, Nashville,
and Birmingham.  Or else Nashville, if being IN a big city (as opposed to
simply drawing from four of them) is a necessity.

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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer News
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:13:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 >...fact that given that there's no meaningful domestic professional
 >league, it has to go to the length of directly employing
 >those players who have no current club affiliations. Not only that, it
 >has to somehow provide those players with competitive games, and avoid
 >conflict when the European based players roll up shortly before the
 >World Cup and take the leading roles. I also wonder how sustainable
 >such an approach is past '94, when the glamour of hosting has waned
 >and no professional league is in sight...

Colin has raised some crucial points. However, Marcus Lindroos' plan
for getting a serious pro league off the ground thus becomes even more
imperative. Without a pro league, the "top" domestic players on the
national team will always be "second class citizens" to their more
successful "relatives" who have been able to sign with and star in
top European leagues. After '94, we either have to have a serious
pro league in North America, or make sure anyone we want to have on
future world cup squads is playing in Europe or Latin America by
September of '94.

As for the immediate (Spring '94) problem, Bora should "break camp" in
March of '94 and take only the top 30% - 40% of the "domestics" to
Europe, set up shop and schedule Wednesday matches on all available
dates that there isn't league or Cup activity with top national teams
and club squads. This way he can work people like Harkes, Ramos,
Wegerle, Wynalda, Dooley, et al into the squad in a more systematic
way than he did for last year's US Cup.

Of course the trio of the '93 US Cup, Copa America, and CONCACAF Gold
Cup all within 6 weeks in June and July should be a pretty good start.

Best, Chris

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From: clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Hamish?  Are you here?
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:46:25 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1ilkbeINNe2s@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield) writes:
> 
> Yeah you Hamish.  I think you pissed all those rec.sport.football.pro people
> off real good.  Congradulations.  I take it you meant to do this during
> the playoffs?  
> 
> I think the next step might be to invite them here to have it out with the
> rest of the soccer fans, or i guess they wouldn't have the gutts.


Hamish is here but under an assumed identity cause he nearly lost his
access last year for taking the piss in r.s.f.p last year.
Its amazing how you can upset some guys by saying they are poofs and that
american soccer is crap, acually I do find it boring cause of all the 
comercial breaks involved on TV but I suppose that its the same as every
other game, you either like it or not.
Thanks for your support.

Hamish, the mad Pict.



> 
> --DJD
> 
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