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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Jul27.202622.1150@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:08:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.202622.1150@ichips.intel.com> harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

   In article <Bs276n.HCq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:
   >
   >Its too bad that stuff like that has to happen in the Olympics.  Maybe
   >it has a place against opponents that play like horses-asses, like the
   >Knicks, Pistons, etc.  But against Angola???  Sorry, Charles.

   Really, it's too bad it happens in basketball at all.  In no other sport
   that I'm aware of do people get so violent about playing.  I've never had

Football.  Baseball.  Hockey.  Soccer fans.  Makes basketball look tame.

   a problem playing volleyball.  It gets emotional and ref's get yelled at
   and what not, but nothing like the conduct that happens on a b-ball court.

In volleyball there isn't supposed to be any physical contact at all.  I can
understand Charles getting upset at having three guys hit him, and a fourth
land on his head/shoulder/back, better than somebody getting pissed because
the ref called a ball out.  

   Doctors and Lawyers taking swings at one another - it's hilarious.  And I
   won't even bother bringing up park ball.  Anyone else notice this besides
   me?  Is it the game that leads to this, or do b-ball players in general take
   themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
   that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
   importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  

What exactly was the importance of the scenerio?  Malone, Jordan, and some of
the others talk about going to the Olympics as representatives of the
country.  That was not part of the selection criteria.  They didn't ask the
players if they were going to behave according to some unwritten, but
generally loosley agreed upon, set of rules for how to behave.  They asked
them to go play basketball.  Charles is doing that.  Four guys hit him, and
he sent a message back.  Personally, I wish he hadn't because it does look
bad.  But he didn't agree to get hacked as part of the competition.

Charles is being charles.  We knew who he was when he was selected.  Anybody
who is surprised by yesterday's elbow is just being naive.  

Charles was also playing american basketball.  He got fouled hard, and the
refs didn't give him the calls.  So he gave the other player a shot back.
The game might not be played that way in other countries (I don't know, I've
only really watched us ball) but that is a strong part of American
basketball.  And everybody wanted to see america's best basketball team.
Well, there they are.


Bill
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:23:34 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

[ question about coach ]

	Yes indeed, Lute Olsen did coach this squad.  How else would U
	explain Steve Kerr being on the team as well as Sean Elliott as a
	frosh?  Anyways, perhaps this team won because they simply were
	"lucky".  Call them Cinderella if U will.

	Jazzy J
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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.033556.864@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>
>BOBBY HURLEY!!!!!
>
>WATCH OUT! I'm GONNA HURL!
>
>:)
>

Howdy Roy!

I'd just like to point out that in this posting you failed to mention
anything about the SHAQ!!!!  Now, granted, that is a cute hurl joke and
in many ways, Bobby Hurley could be considered the anti-shaq...but 
it's just not the same thing.  Please see that this ovesight on your part 
does not happen again.

Also, have you and J.J. been conversing...he sure does seem to like 
geauxing things too.

- goober (the anti-geaux) smith
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From: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Reply-To: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:56:45 GMT

I saw an interview on NBC late last night with Malone talking about
Barkley and the elbow-situation from last game.  He, along with apparently
everyone else on the US squad, was not very happy at all about it.
He openly criticized Charles, saying basically the he was acting VERY
inappropriate.  Malone said very clearly that the DT is representing the
entire United States, and therefore this kind of stuff should not
be tolerated.

Malone also claimed that this criticism was shown by ALL of the members
of the US team.  Sure, he echoed that personally they are all good friends
with Charles, and this incident obviously will never change that.
BUT, on a professional level, they are very disappointed in him.  
As far as Malone was concerned, they are supposed to be very professional
in what they are doing, and he said that apparently Charles didnt 
completely understand that.

WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE:  I've seen the replay of the incident about a dozen
times now (plus the live coverage of it on NBC), and it really did not
seem like it was intended to be anything other than a quick wake-up hit.
Yes, Charles can be a prick at times (this being one of them), we all know
that.  But from the replay this was clearly just Charles saying "in your
face, holmes" to that guy.  In that case, perhaps he hit the dude harder
than necessary....

Its too bad that stuff like that has to happen in the Olympics.  Maybe
it has a place against opponents that play like horses-asses, like the
Knicks, Pistons, etc.  But against Angola???  Sorry, Charles.
The point is:  Look, Charles made a mistake.  Now everyone should
just learn from it, forget about it, and let the games continue.
Unfortunately the media cant do that -- they HAVE to blow the whole thing
thru the roof....

Interview transcript:  Malone's O (note, not particularly humble...)
The rest of the drivel: MY HO

Scott
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dream Team comments
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:59:26 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

I had worried that the Dream Team players, who are all superstars, might
be selfish and self-centered in the Olympic games.  Why, I really don't
know.

I'm glad to say that I haven't seen any sign of selfishness; in fact,
I am enjoying all the fancy ball-passing and teamwork.  The NBA players
certainly are putting the team first before themselves.  This is certainly
a DREAM TEAM!

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From: sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:05:18 GMT
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.

In article <jjonsson.39@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>In article <19732@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>>In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
>>>  I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
>
>> He's been the best damn player out there - face it the NBA defines basketball
>
>The only reason Charles is getting more points than Karl Malone is that 
>Stockton isn't on the floor. I guarantee when those two complimentary 
>
>P.S. Phoenix is just waiting to fall apart with that irritant on their team.
>Can you imagine Charles and Danny Ainge on the same team, they'll be at each 
>other's throats in no time.
>

   Now this is a truly interesting prospect!  They might work well
   together Charles can be abusive while Danny elicits sympathy from the 
   fans.

   Steve

>Jeff Jonsson
>Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
>==============================================================================


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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: All-Star brain teaser....
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:19:20 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>
>OK, without looking:
>Which team had the most representative players in the last All-Star game?

Hmmmm ... I knew there was a hint in the post. It took me a few
seconds to realize that the hint was in the header, and not in the
body of the message. Somehow this post strikes me as an effort by the
poster to save the face of a particular team, against the bashings
that it has received and will receive.  :-)

>And no, the Dream Team doesn't count! Tho' that would be a good answer!
> 
>For extra credit, name the players.

4, 10, 11  I believe.

>Answer to follow!
>--Eric

    --mack

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:44:31
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: harryk@omews58.intel.com's message of 27 Jul 92 20:26:22 GMT

>>>>> "Harry" == Harry Koehnemann <harryk@omews58.intel.com> writes:

  Harry> In article <Bs276n.HCq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:
>
>Its too bad that stuff like that has to happen in the Olympics.  Maybe
>it has a place against opponents that play like horses-asses, like the
>Knicks, Pistons, etc.  But against Angola???  Sorry, Charles.

  Harry> Really, it's too bad it happens in basketball at all.  In no other sport
  Harry> that I'm aware of do people get so violent about playing.  I've never had
  Harry> a problem playing volleyball.  It gets emotional and ref's get yelled at
  Harry> and what not, but nothing like the conduct that happens on a b-ball court.
  Harry> People have some respect for each other beyond just playing the game.  In
  Harry> basketball it seems like a totally different mentality.  Hell, a fight is
  Harry> an almost regular occurrence on a b-ball court, even at nicer clubs.
  Harry> Doctors and Lawyers taking swings at one another - it's hilarious.  And I
  Harry> won't even bother bringing up park ball.  Anyone else notice this besides
  Harry> me?  Is it the game that leads to this, or do b-ball players in general take
  Harry> themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
  Harry> that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
  Harry> importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  The same
  Harry> thing happens at our level as well.  It seems that basketball brings out
  Harry> the this side in people more than any other sport.  Observations?  Answers?

Puhlease. Try hockey (American style) for true sports violence. Some
football players routinely take drugs to enhance their performance which,
shall we say, tends to make one irrational. What about those handy
brushback pitches in baseball? And I've seen many a soccer game get out of
hand after a few good slide tackles.

Besides which, I'd like to know where you play basketball so I can avoid
it. I have never in my life seen a fight break out at a pickup game. I've
heard a lot of yelling and screaming, and seen some 15 minute debates about
whether there was a foul or not but never any real punches thrown.
Considering how much contact there is and how much trash talking (now there
bball has a definite advantage) I'm amazed at how few fights there are at
every level of the game.

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From: tavares@danville (Jack Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laimbeer vs. Parrish
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:48:11 GMT
Reply-To: tavares@ctron.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory) writes:
: We have been seeing a lot of posts about Laimbeer and his effectiveness in
: the 80's.  To me the most average center in the 80's was Robert Parrish.
: His rebounding was average, his scoring was average, his defense was average
: (OK or a little better), his assists were below average.  Laimbeer on the 
: other hand was a good rebounder, average scorer, average defender.
: 
: In summary Laimbeer was a better player for most of his career.
: 
: Thoughts?  I'd love to see the stats for the two of them.  The Boston lovers
: seem to think that Parrish was one of the best centers in B'ball the last 15
: years.  But is he even better than Mr. Bill?
: 
: Peter

Well, IMHO, Parish is a very good center, and should probably end up in the
hall of fame.

Parish, while perhaps scoring fewer points, i believe (?) has a better FG %.
It has always been the 2 or 3 or even 4th option on the offense. He has played
with other good rebounders (McHale, pinckney, Maxwell) who grabbed a good share 
of the boards. 

I dont know any of the actual numbers, this is just my impression.


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(603) 332-9400 x 1463 (603) 332-1019 (FAX)
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Reggie Lewis (was Re: 2nd Dream Team)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:13:44 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Jul21.140519.20867@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>The only problem I have with Richmond is shot selection.  Maybe it is because
>of the team he is on (he didn't seem so bad in GS), but whenever I have seen
>him this last year, he looked to take the shot way to often, and often shot
>at bad times.
>

Being on worse teams definitely effects your shot and shot selection, even
if you are a superstar.  Look at the entire Lakers roster without Magic.
Anyway, Richmond was consistently around 50%, which is impressive to me
(25 ppg) with the Warriors.  Tim Hardaway only managed 46%, I think.

Besides, who else can shoot in Sacramento?  When you have only yourself as
a real scorer, it's rather tough not to shoot it up.
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From: noir@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Notes from Rocky Mountain Review
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:10:51 GMT


Another vote for the stats!
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: TONY, SCOTTY, TONY, SCOTTY
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:25:40 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <92212.192613U32431@uicvm.uic.edu> U32431@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Does anyone have a clue about the Bulls' management interest in Tony K (the Mag
>ic Johnson of Europe)?  Why did Bulls' management hold up Scotty's contract whi
>le it tried to woo the mighty Tony K from some remote outpose in Italy?
>Scotty DID hold Tony to four (4) points in Croatia's game with the US.  Scotty
>was right - no matter how much Marv Albert tries to defend Toni K - Tonee K is
>not ready for the NBA.  Take that Jerry Krause.

Well, Tony is a good ball player. He has size, good eyes, a good touch, and can
pass very well. He is going to make any team he plays for better, no question.

Now for all you Bulls fans: Repeat after me, Tony Kukoc is not going to
take Jordan or Pippen spot. He is going to be another piece in the puzzle
towards a three-peat. To those who say the team is good enough without Kukoc
I say, If the Bulls don't continue to improve there talent they will eventually
be like the Pistons. 

Kukoc is 6' 10" and is ONLY 23 years old (with 6 years of International Exp.)

I think the Bulls fans are so high and mighty that they are going to 
shun a great talent before he gets a chance to experience the NBA. Its there
loss...


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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team (explain this one to me)
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:48:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Bs2EtE.L23@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Here is the roster of the 1990 Goodwill games team.  Someone explain
>	to me how this team went only 3-2 and lost to Yugoslavia and
>	the USSR team by 6 & 7 respectively.  Team roster:
>
>	Billy Owens, Syracuse
>	Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
>	Christian Laettner, Duke
>	Kenny Anderson, Georgia Tech
>	Todd Day, Arkansas
>	Lee Mayberry, Arkansas
>	Walt Williams, Maryland
>	Charles Smith, Georgetown
>	Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Miss
>	Chris Gatling, Old Dominion
>	Mark Randall, Kansas
>	Doug Smith, Missouri
>	Bryant Stith, Virginia
>	Bobby Hurley, Duke

Think about it.  These were the 1990 Goodwill games.  I think the oldest guy
on this team was 20 at the time.

GT
.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:15:53 GMT

> [ bitching about Hornacek starting]

	Listen -- put it this way -- with Hornacek starting or not, it's going
	to make no difference.  Each of Dawkins, Hawkins, and Hornacek are each
	going to play 30+ minutes a game.  Hornacek coming off the bench might
	even play more than the other 2!  Just look at Detlef Schrempf on the
	Pacers.  The guy hardly ever starts at all, yet is their 2nd leading
	scorer and minute logger.  U don't have to start to be effective.  And,
	my reasoning is that since Dawkins and Hawkins are used to starting all
	of their lives -- they might just perform better as starters -- it's
	a psychological thing.  Hornacek's had experience coming off of the 
	bench, so it would seem better for team chemistry if he did.  I don't
	think he would feel bad about it -- he's going to get the minutes he
	deserves.

	As far as coaching the Sixers is concerned -- I'm busy enough with my
	own intramural team.  I'll let Doug Moe coach the Sixers.

	Just my opinion,
	Jazzy J

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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:39:26 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:
>  I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
> is destroying the Dream Team. I just feel sorry for the rest of them because
> they are making me proud to be an american, Barkley isn't.

 He's been the best damn player out there - face it the NBA defines basketball
and Charles is a big part of the NBA - if other countries don't like it then
too bad - that's the way it goes - if they want to compete with the NBA then
they should learn to play like the NBA and that includes physical and verbal
taunts.


				gln


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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: WORTHY/STARKS Trade?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:26:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.023530.3215@scott.skidmore.edu> mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
>WFAN in new york, reported that the Knicks and the Lakers are working
>on a James Worthy/John Starks trade..  any thoughts?
>sounds like an interesting trade, one that could make the knicks the
>best team in the NBA next year.

Now why in the world would the Lakers want to do this?  The only thing I
can think of is that James Worthy got an amputation or something.  Starks
is just the gunner type, I don't think he'll amount much more than instant
unreliable offense off the bench.  The Lakers already have Threatt, Teagle,
Scott and maybe even Magic at guards.  If they were to trade for Starks,
they'd have to dump one of the others in a productive trade.  Without
Worthy, who's going to play small forward anyway?

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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Laettner vs Barkley
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:16:03 GMT


Get the story right - Tree Rollins teeth.  Ainge was the one getting bit.

Robert
robert@dragon.mtc.ti.com
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Are Da Bulls Dying?
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:29:30 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Jul28.134727.28041@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:

>Last I heard, they are giving Kukoc some obnoxiously high offers, to the point 
>that they have annoyed Michael Jordan, who is upset because he believes, and
> rightfully so, that he deserves more, if they are going to offer Kukoc so
>much.

Wasn't this from a few years back when the Bulls management wouldn't bump
Pippens bargain Basement Salary of 700,000, while they were offering
Kukoc 3,000,000+ per year to play for them.  Thats why Pippen, was a wee
bit annoyed and that's what brought forth the wrath of god.  They say
that one can still see fire and brimstone (is that what it is??? I've
forgotten my religious stuff).
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: All-Star brain teaser....
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:19:57 GMT

OK, without looking:
 
Which team had the most representative players in the last All-Star game?
 
And no, the Dream Team doesn't count! Tho' that would be a good answer!
 
For extra credit, name the players.
 
Answer to follow!
--Eric
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