HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!!!
Keywords: FJ1200
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:35:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug27.141317.19352@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
>i believe this was answered before, but: is there motorcycle specific Mobil1?
>or should i just but whatever Mobil1 (15W40?) says synthetic on it?

There is no motorcycle specific Mobil 1...

Mobil1 is by title or definition, synthetic.  Mobil's non-synthetic oil
is NOT called Mobil1 (although I'm sure it still says Mobil on it 
somewhere).

You can get Mobil 1 at (most) any auto store and also places like K-Mart
for anywhere from $3.00 to $3.50 / quart depending on whether it's
on sale...

Steve

-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My bike got vandalized last night
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:28:39 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
: 
: Having security at a bar is reasonable and prudent.  Some towns
: require bars to hire off-duty police officers as security.

   All the other crap aside, this amounts to a government sponsored
extortion racket.
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Sidecars
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 11:32:13 GMT

Thomas Wesley Moyer (tm2o+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone out there own one of those cool sidecars that leans with the bike?
: 
: I'd be very interested in any info anyone might have, or where I could
: get such info.
:               Thanks...............
:                              ................Tom
: 
:    Thomas Moyer,    Knight on a Steel Horse (KAW GPz750)

I don't but I saw them at the Birmingham Bike Show.  They looked really good
but they were very expensive.  They used a chain drive, I believe, to swap the
motion of the bike over to make the sidecar lean the opposite way.  If you see
what I mean.

They said that a two-wheeler rider could ride one with no problems, unlike 
normal sidecars which the rider has to learn to ride.


Nick (2Wheel Biker)  DoD 1069  MAG 73516

M'Lud.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Speaking of triple A....
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:49:41 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep02.152714.14294@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

> When I belonged to AAA, their policy for _any_ vehicle was that they
> would provide a tow only to a service station or repair shop; even though
> I did all my own work, they wouldn't tow my car to my home.

when i had a starter problemwith the beast, they had no problem towing
it to the house.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Meguirs doesn't work
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:39:09
Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov


OK, now, with all this fuss about Meguirs I figur'd it would be the
best thing since electric carving knives.

It turns out that a friend of mine had just bought some for a home
project, so he turned me locked me in a room with the cleaner AND the
polish, some appropriate rags, and the my shoei GRV faceshield.

I rubbed and rubbed, hell, I even followed the directions.  The
result?  NADA - no difference.

Perhaps the shoei shield is tougher than normal?  Either that or the
rest of you have a *lot* more patience than I.

Eric "I want instant results" Raible
From: mel@derringer.EBay.Sun.COM (Melvin Cagle)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: DoD BUCKLES
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:47:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mel@derringer.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: derringer.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: GRRRRRREAT!!!!!!!!!!!

     Arnie,
       They arived today.  Worth the wait.  You have out done yourself.
I thank you for what must have been a lot of effort.  The workmanship
is geat.  Again thankyou.

Mel   DoD 0497                                             ;To live without living
      AMA 553782                                           :Is to die without dieing
      SRRA 8205                                            :Ride to live
      ABATE L15
      Honda VT1100 1989
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Peter Simon, back it up
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:23:15 GMT

Steve Mansfield	sez:

>                    What I need now is to reap the collective
>net.intellect on routes, general info, and do's and don'ts of a trip from
>Fairfax, VA (Just outside of D.C.) to Idaho Falls, ID next summer.

If Peter Simon does not give this guy detailed directions,
do we get to call him more bad names?

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
                DoD #614/1980 Kawasaki KZ440B/KoTDoDual

    "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: 93 Goof2
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:16:23 GMT
Keywords: goof2 cbr

In article <13475@pogo.wv.tek.com> kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kevin Mills) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.033849.1449@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> keb@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Ken E. Bartlett) writes:
>>93 GOOf2
>>I didn't get a chance to speak to anyone about them but 
>>would assume that they haven't changed much.
>
>Nope, the only major changes are cosmetic.  But I do think I like the
>black & blue color scheme on my '92 better than the new color schemes JMHO.

Not exactly. The '93 Goof2 will have a new rear shock that can be adjusted
in many more ways than the old one. This is a weak spot on the '92 Goof2.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
CBR600F2 (stolen) - RD350LCN (street) - XR250R (dirt)
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MY Winner for DoD Ballard (wuz Winner of the Official...)
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:01:18 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Aug31.130537.13177@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroberts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ross Allan Roberts) writes:

Well, I'd like to claim Daffy Duck as the official DoD Mallard!

What, that was Ballard, not Mallard, well never mind. 


-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Let me take my chances on the wall  |
 | DoD# 541   'Debaucher of Donuts'   |  of death"       Richard Thompson    |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: DoD shirts
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:40:24 GMT

John_Greer@mindlink.bc.ca (John Greer) writes:

>Thanks Tony!!! Last week was full of surprizes for me.
>Sunday the twins arrived.
>Wendsday the shirt arrived, and the twins came home.
>Sunday-the most sleep I had since last Sat.
>Ain't life great?? :-))

So, you ordered 4 shirts, then?

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: I have my DOD number!!!
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:27:47 GMT

In article <185n8vINN58@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> I love the KotL
> The KotL is my friend.

This is pretty obvious from the attitude you exude both in your postings
and in person...

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash)
Subject: Re: BMW Wiring Diagram Wanted
Originator: dab@space3
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:00:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.133957.26195@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> The Larster writes:
>Does anybody know where I can get a wiring diagram for any large
>two cylinder BMW ( R12 R61 R75 ) of pre 1955 vintage.
>                                                Larry Mayo


For a complete list of what technical publications are currently available 
from the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, Ltd., write to:

Technical Publications
c/o Roland Slabon
P.O. Box 67
Exeter, NH  03833

Dues and a subscription to the Bulletin are US$12/year for US and Canada.
A year is 6 issues.  Foreign 'scripts are more.  All requests for 
membership/subscriptions should be sent to:

VBMW Secretaries
Lorraine & Robert Beaman
P.O. Box 55
E-Town, PA  17022
============================================================================
 "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle." - Winston Churchill
    The Nashville Flash	  -   dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu   -   DoD # 412 
							    VBMW #540

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: beginner's luck
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:11:24 GMT

In article <p1eqek8@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
>
[..]
>
>Let me second this call for newbie info!
>
>I'm another woman new to the sport.  I've just called
>1-800-CC-RIDER, and my safety course registration info
>is on the way.  I figure the course is a good way to 
>decide if motorcycle riding is for me.  But what would
>the next step be?  What kind of bikes should I be looking
>at?
>
>Maybe I'm nuts, but I decided to stop saying "I've always
>wanted to [foo]", and to start DOING foo.  My SO says I
>don't seem to be insane or in the grips of a VERY early
>mid-life crisis, so I'm going to forge ahead!

Having recently helped a couple people to get started, I guess I'm as
qualified as anyone to answer this...

You'll know more about what bike you like after you take the MSF
course.  Make sure to try out as many of the bike that they've
got as you can.  It depends on what you fit on, of course.
Besides that, buy all the motorcycle magazines you can find, and
find some friends who ride and pump them for info.  Don't listen
to their horror stories; most people who "used to ride" did something
stupid and scared themselves.

When you've done the course, find someone who knows something about
motorcycle mechanics & drag 'em around to look at used bikes.  Get
something cheap that isn't too big ("too big" depends on how big you
are, and where you ride.  A small woman living in the city will do fine
with a 125; while a 5'10 amazon who lives in Nowhere, Texas and has to
ride 30 miles to get to the store will need something like a 400).  Get
a cheap used bike because you're likely to drop it when you're
learning, even if it's only a 0 mph parking-lot goof.  Ride the wheels
off that cheap bike, get some miles under your belt and get an idea of
what you really want, and then buy it.




--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
From: marct@vax2.concordia.ca (MARC A. TISSEUR)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Road tip #5 (ID papers)
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:18:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

ID Papers

     I read this one a long time ago in _Motorcyclist_ magazine. 
Get a duplicate copy of your dirver's license, registration and
insurance certificate and keep them inside your helmet lining. 
That way they'll always be with you no matter what happens to your
wallet.

Marct@vax2.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:57:30 GMT

In article <BtKxIz.B01@Caere.COM> mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) writes:
>v058l789@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman) writes:
>>	Say you want to turn left.  You push forward on the left grip and pull
>>back on the right.  The bike leans left and you do your turn.  It leans over 
>>because when you push the grip, the fork turned and as a result, the contact
>>patch moved a little to the right and the bike tipped left until it was
>>at equilibrium with the centifugal force.  

Remember the phrase "an object in motion will continue in a straight line unless
acted upon by an outside force" (or words to that effect). You are moving in a
straight line, you push the handle bar with your left hand, the bike front end
moves slightly to the right and the cg is no longer directly over the  line
connecting the front and rear axle. Therefore, the bike will lean toward the 
left (gravity pulls it down on that side). A part of the pull of gravity will
act to pull the bike to the left. This pull causes the bike to change its 
forward motion and turns it to the left. The farther over the lean, the more
gravity acts to pull the bike down and to the left, and the sharper the turn.
Imagine a ball with a string that you swing in a circle around your head (or
the moon going around the earth, the earth and planets around the sun, etc.)
it is the same phenomena. Once the lean is established, steerig imput is re
quired to "balance" the forces (i.e. you stop countersteering because you want
to stop the lean from putting you on the ground).
	If you straighten the bike up (let go of the string) you continue on in
a straight line again, but everyone already knows that.....
	Suddenly I have a severe craving for ice cream cones.
Tim.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Foul Language (Was: riding clothes choices)
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:32:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.142858.13224@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>JK>   Suck me off Cock Breath.
>
>I use this type of language just as much as the next person (just ask
>the cager that filed the abusive language complaint against me) but
>*THIS HAS NO PLACE IN A WIDELY DISTRIBUTED NEWSGROUP*!!!   Posting here
>(or on one of the other groups) reaches a worldwide audience comprised
>of people from many different cultures.  Posting immature nonsense like
>the phrase cited above is equivalent to shouting the same thing in a
>crowded shopping mall or in the lobby of the UN.  If you can't express
>yourself in an intelligent manner without using unnecessary profane
>language, perhaps you ought to get an education or keep your thoughts
>to yourself.
>
>This flame wasn't intended specifically at JK and I personally wasn't
>offended by what was said; I've just grown very weary of seeing this
>type of language used unnecessarily and totally out of context.
>

I'll second that and add that it is never necessary. Let me hasten to add
that I've one of the foulest mouths you'll ever hear in person. However, 
as a courtesy to those who may be offended, I think it a good idea to curb
it here. If you must send a particularly vulgar response to someone, e-mail
direct.

Jeff Achenbach
achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter Storage in Boston Area
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:23:01 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <daved.714870407@convex.convex.com>, daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
> The winter is fast approching , give or take a few months,

winter...winter...winter... sorta rings a bell, but i still can't 
place it.  could you please define these technical terms when you
use them in a post?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: High speed wobble woes
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:38:28 GMT

In article <ALAVIGNE.92Sep3105117@bmerh930.bnr.ca> alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne) writes:
>
>My friend has a 1983 maxim 400 that he claims has a high speed wobble, 
>usually starting at about 80mph.  Upon looking at the front forks, everything
>seemed to be in order.  Some guy said something about moving the forks up
>to reduce bending.  The air pressure in the tire seems ok, too.  
>What are the real causes of high speed wobble outside
>of external forces (cracks in pavement, wind, etc....)????  I don't want 
>Dennis to wipe out!
>
Something is most likely wrong with the frame geometry, either by design, 
damage, or wear. I've never heard of it being a problem on Maxims. Their
rather lazy steering geometies would serve to work against high speed wobble.
I suggest you check steering head and wheel bearings for proper adjustment and
be sure fork tubes are absolutely straight. Also carefully inspect the frame
around the steering neck for signs of cracking or bending.

Jeff Achenbach
achenba@epcot.spdc.ti.com 

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Accident Report
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.200530.22799@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
|In article <1992Aug25.160248.24210@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
|>And, of course, I don't like lawyers.  :-/
|
|How do you feel about doctors?

Well, doctors do a *productive* service for society, so I
guess I approve of them.  Why?

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmmmm)             |  this weird shit
No ratbike at the moment.  Suggestions?     |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
Notice: this has been a test of the emergency flamebait system.  If
this had been an actual flamebait, you would have been overwhelmed by
a desire to stoke up the thrower.  We now return you to your normal
netnews.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: riding clothes choices
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:15:01 GMT

And then there are those of us [like me] who just wanted to
do a quick run out to the post office on sat morning [3 mi
of back country road] wearing shorts, sneakers, tshirt
when normally it's leathers, boots, gloves. Then 1/2 mile
from the house on the way home a rather elderly lady decides
she has enough room to pull out from a side road and hang
a left but decides to just STOP across my lane, YOU CAN TOO
LOCK UP YAMAHAS'S Unified Braking System(tm) using just 
the rear and one front disc. Through superior handling,
experience and a lotta luck I managed not to redesign
her front fender or any other part of her car (66 Buick
Electra) swerving around the front of her car and dodging 
the oncoming car she decided to stop for, just like that
was what I had planned all along. I was even able to 
continue on home despite the adrenaline and a heart 
rate that seemed almost the same as my 1100.
My neighbor who was behind me in his P/U said later
"I didn't think those big bikes could handle like that" 
Just one time is all it takes and if Murphy had a law 
to cover it it would probably read:
"If you are going to low side it'll be when you aren't
prepared for it".
I'm just glad that I was allowed to survive that one
and like that prayer that goes through everyones mind
while worshipping the ceramic throne and throwing up
their toenails "Please God let me live and I won't 
ever drink again", for me "Never again, no excuses,
I will always be dressed for the occasion".
-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	#2/10/10/92
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.belcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I DONT CARE IF I SOUND CONFUSED, I KNOW WHAT I MEAN !!!
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: motos on TV
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:35:19 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: Dances With Bikers (blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com) wrote:
: : eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey) writes:
: : 
: : >It may push up the image of bikes but aren't all the 'Knights' breaking
: : >the law by wearing dark tinted visors? The local bike shop won`t sell
: : >you one unless you can produce a race license.
: : 
: : Tinted visors are illegal in the UK?  No wonder we colonials rebelled!
: 
: Well, they're only useful when the sun shines!  :)  or should be :((((
And so, here in West Godzone, they're only illegal afterdark.

--
"There's something stirring in my loins and it isn't the spirit of Jesus"
                - Helen Razor, JJJ announcer, 1992.

Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Snail: QPSX Communications, Private Bag 24, West Perth 6005, Australia. 
Numbers:(ph) +61 9 324 1641, (fx) +61 9 321 2984 (dod) 0604
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: The GPNDG attendance list and awards.
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:26:46 GMT

patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
>|[Thoughtfully rearranged by yours truly]

In summary, 3=4 and 2=3.

>By my count, looks like we have a new DoD bike of choice.  4 Nighthawk
>riders by my count.  4 FJ riders, but one of those had these big ol'
 ^^^^^^                    ^^^^^^

What's this "riders" stuff? I thought it was about the BIKE of choice,
not the RIDER of choice. If'n we'z talking about favorite riders instead
of favorite rides...  Um, maybe I better quit before I plant my foot
firmly in my mouth.

>Tupperware bags, so that only counts as 1/2 an FJ.  It might even 

Hey, after seeing Rob Dixon's luggage, I think we've got a new contender
for the title of Fisher-Price/Tupperware/RubberMaid Technicolor bags.

>count for -1/2 an FJ, since FJness is determined by said FJs wreaking 
>awe and havoc in passed vehicles, and an FJ with baby blue luggage 
>wreaks nothing but peals of laughter.

Well, even with the bags in place I wasn't _too_ far behind Mike Bain.
(Not that I'd have been able to stick any closer if I'd taken them off,
but it does make for a nice excuse. :-) But the Technicolor luggage does
have some functional value, Bruce Quaitance (?) found a gang of us on
the road only because he spotted the bags. Just call me the Official DoD
Signal Flare.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Yet another ST1100 question
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:07:52 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep4.114657.24783@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, wolf@mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf) writes:
> Well, I'm still trying to chose between a R100GS PD and an ST1100.  This weekend
> I'm gonna try for a test ride on the former and also go to a Honda dealer in
> this area that still has silver STs.  But before I do that...:-)

having seen the state of the roads in NJ, you'll want to be getting the PD.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--