HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Subject: Re: "Behind the Hate in Oregon"
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:08:14 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	Has anyone attacked this on $$$ arguments?

Yes, although not quite what you appeared to be getting at.  The Oregonian
had a big article on how much it was going to cost the state.  For example,
there's a couple of conventions considering the Portland Convention Center
but who've put the plans on hold until after the Measure 9 issue is settled.
One of them is some middle school convention that is worth a couple of
million dollars all by itself.  The Portland School Board condemned the
measure saying that it would cost too much to replace teachers and other
employees, especially in light of Measure 5 effects (that's a property
tax limitation initiative that passed a couple of years ago and is starting
to hit budgets pretty hard).
-- 
Alan Batie                               \
batie@agora.rain.com                      \       Vote NO on Discrimination
+1 503 452-0960                          / \      Vote NO on 9!
45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL     /   \
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sim is OK!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:30:20 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <Bu57EH.CnM@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1393@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>
>>In article <31AUG92.15262645@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>
>>>It is pronounced like David, just spelled differently.
>>
>>Oh. Just like Luxury Yacht is pronounced Throat-warbler Mangrove.
>
>Do you speak English?

Yes, however I learned it from watching Monty Python....

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
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From: lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: If you haven't sent your checks to no-on-hate yet, do it!
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:43:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.135303.1899@castle.org> nomad@castle.org (Lee Damon) writes:
>>The UPI reports today that Pat Robertson's organization ("Christian
>>Coalition") has donated $20,000 (that's twenty-thousand dollars folks)
>>to "the cause" (measure 9 - anti-gay measure in Oregon).
>>They are also "launching an Oregon chapter to recruit voters through
>>churches."

>There is worse news...

>A story in the Oregonian on the same subject goes on to mention
>that the Christian Coalition intends to come to Oregon and spend their
>own money to help get out the "Christian" vote if there is even
>the slightest chance that Measure 9 might not pass.  The article goes
>on to state that the CC is execmpt from reporting rules as they are
>an 'educational' voters group.  So no one can find out how they spend
>their money even though they are tax exempt.

>--mark


So, what's the measure 9 specifically about? I mean, are they going
to persecute gay folks? remove rights of gays as humans? Anyone have
more specifics?

Sounds like a possible pro-gay rights movement/march needs to
be formed.

I think being gay is quite natural and just shows a person is more
intouch with themselves. 

-lile

 
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Words (was : god save us nelly queens!)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 11:29:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <913v02FS21.e01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> 
nih00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
| In article<18pgv4INNir5@mizar.usc.edu>
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|
| >P.S.  T.C. Jones was just about the most fabulous female impersonator
| >ever.  (He makes Craig Russell look like a rank amateur.)  His big 
| >break was in New Faces of 1956, and he's probably best known for his 
| >Tallulah Bankhead, but his Bette Davis, Katharine Hepburn, Shelly 
| >Winters, *Louella* *Parsons*, etc., are just as hilarious.
|
| Arne, either you are older than I thought 

I know my gifs are *awfully* flattering, but honestly, do I look
like a teen in them?  

I do?  Thank you, sonny!

|    or you've got a great memory.  

My memory is selectively great.  You should hear how I mangle 
people's names.

| I unfortunately remember the New Faces series from when
| they were new.

Why unfortunately?  I first heard them in high school (early 70s),
when they were new to *me*.  I really like the series, and I think
1952's is the best.  I especially love the song that's never finished:
"He takes me off income tax / So when he buys me Cadillacs / The FBI 
won't watch his movements / He writes me off as property improvements".
New Faces of 1956 was filmed, by the way.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Don't faint dead away but...
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:53:09 GMT

In article <92249.120725IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Ailsa N.T. Murphy 
<IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>could you repost the address to send photos to for the archive?
>i'm getting some film developed...

I hope those photos include Katy.

Katie
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Stockholm Syndrome
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:29:18 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Sep3.013507.22933@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> csjgp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
(Jim Pierson) writes:
>Bravo, Frank!!!!!!!!  (or should that be "Brava!!!!!!"?

	Brava, of course.

	Especially if Wes Orr is reading this thread.

	-R (feeling like a real bitch today!)


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: jeff.con
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:59:19 GMT


Jeff Putnam (jefu@akbar.nmt.edu), with
a *reasonable* amount of silliness, wrote:
 
> Huppy dod, klop, klop, klop. 
> 
> jefu {proving that jeffs - as claimed in another post - can be
>       silly - even when its spelled jefu}

Even?  *Even*!

--jns  [silly *even* when spelled jeff]
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Stereotypes (was Re: To Laura)
Date: 15 Sep 1992 11:54:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep14.222311.23327@microsoft.com> 
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

> So, if we know beforehand that we only have two minutes
> maximum to get our point across, what do we want to say in two minutes?

I can get our point across in three words.

	GET LOST, MORON.

Arne
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Names of note (was Re: boobs)
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:55:38 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca asks:
 >Who passing through Nova Scotia hasn't stopped to have their photo taken
 >in front of the sign comemorating "Acadian Dykes."

Well, I haven't.  I don't even know where that sign is.  But I do
have a wonderful picture of a decaying seawall in New Brunswick, right
near The Rocks. I took it the first time I was there, captioned it
the way it was in the guidebook:  "The Old Dykes at Hopewell," and
sent it off to a couple of friends with the message, "Thinking of
you."

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Jay Lieske Jr <jay@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: "Without homosexuals, there would be no Hollywood"
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:30:36 GMT

Monday night, on the premiere of the Whoopi Goldberg show, Whoopi
interviewed Elizabeth Taylor.  Most of the interview was pretty low key
until the subject of Liz's current work about AIDS came up.  She
described how no one in the entertainment industry would go to an AIDS
benefit dinner, that Rock Hudson's illness really made the epidemic
personal for her, and that only after Rock's death did people in
Hollywood start to support her.

The fireworks really began when Whoopi made a comment about homophobia in
the industry.  Liz got all flustered; then she blasted "Without
homosexuals, there would be no Hollywood!"  Her point was that the
creative aspects of Hollywood were always so dependent on the work of
homosexuals.  Whoopi commented that Liz "probably just flipped a lot of
toupees in this town."

I really like these two :-)!  Liz defines wonderful, and Whoopi has a
great way of saying "We'll be right back."

--jay
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: On accuracy and anderson
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:44:35 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Sep02.000529.12479@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com 
   (Bob Sarver) writes:

> Let me get this straight:  anderson claims that, in an private email 
> conversation with you, that you apologized to him...

     Lets get a show of hands;  

     How many people know what PRIVATE E-MAIL is?

     How many people know how to send PRIVATE E-MAIL?

     For those people who did not raise their hands, then please contact
someone from your local Computer Services Dept and learn how to do it, before
you clog up the airwaves with more drivel!

     REMEMBER, there are people out there in NetLand who PAY MONEY to access
this newsgroup!  Even if they are Skipping or Killing newsitems, they are still
paying for that online connection!
-- 
                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
(w): 419-537-2629      fac2813@uoft01                            *   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Sung Hai! Dinner
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:59:19 GMT

Jack Carroll <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> George Reilly did not have dark hair which I had somehow expected

I don't know what it is about Irish stereotypes, but this is exactly
what John Fisher said about me.  The sad fact is that non-black-haired
freaks like George and me do exist, and though people tried to pretend
that it didn't matter, we were always made to feel like outsiders
because of our ravenlessness.  Touching, I know.

> George is charming and funny to talk to, but more than that he
> exudes an animal magnetism which makes you want to rip his clothes
> off and cover him with little wet bunny kisses and stuff.

Funny, that.  It's all part of the secret cuteness-training that every
Irish queer undergoes.  I'm afraid I am not allowed to disclose any
further details.  George is of course similarly restricted.

> The soc.motss dinner at Sung Hai in NYC on last Saturday evening was
> a huge success - beginning with the number of attendees.

It's just not fair.  All these 'Merkins get to meet really interesting
people all the time, while here in Europe I only ever get to see
tedious non-entities like Richard Johnson, Martin Prime, John Fisher,
Joe Francis, er where was I?

,
Eamonn, who would actually have loved to be there, though if it meant
	living in the US he would have second thoughts.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kurisuto@bach.udel.edu (Sean J. Crist)
Subject: Re: Need help and ideas on starting a student support group
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:55:33 GMT

There is a comprehensive book on running gay student organizations.  It is
called Out On Campus and is published by the Association of College Unions
International.  To order the book, send US $10 to:

       Association of College Unions International
       400 E. Seventh St.
       Bloomington, IN 47405
       (812) 332-8017    FAX: (812) 333-8050

The books is 135 pages long and covers every aspect of creating and running
an effective gay student organization. Be certain that you specify the book
title, since ACUI has many publications.

(P.S.  I know the book is good, because I wrote it :-)

--Kurisuto
kurisuto@bach.udel.edu
Recently returned from Japan, the land of the ultimate concensus (sp), and
looking forward to posting arguements (sp) containing good judgement (sp)
on soc.motss.

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: At The Limoncelli Family Picnic (was: Publicity)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:40:17 GMT

In article <2wqnfvg.lile@netcom.com> lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam) writes:
>
>It's interesting. Some of my friends who have never voted, are 
>registering so that they can vote for Clinton.
>
>:)
>
>This, to me, is a good sign.
>
>-lile
>

Yes, a good sign.

Is it just me or does anyone else have that paranoid feeling
that things are going a little too well right now?

I keep waiting for the Bombshell to be dropped where the Republicans spring 
that nasty little whatever that launches the Shrub and the Bird back into the
White house.

Not that I don't TRUST our president completely!  Really, I do.  I trust him
to be as underhanded, backstabbing, and dirty as he could possibly be.

Chuck

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:54:02 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

harris@degas.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
  >>	Everyone I've asked this of can never give an answer to
  >>this question.
  >>	Define "special rights".  Give examples of "special rights".
  >>Show how the lack of these rights constitutes equality within our
  >>present society and legal system.
and harris@degas.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) adds:
 >YesyesyesyesyesyesyesYES!
 >[ ... ] 
 >Would somebody, ANYBODY, tell me what special rights we want?  I know
 >what I want.  I want to be able to love and be loved without anyone
 >harrassing me for it.  I want to be able to legitimize a long-term
 >relationship should I wish to do so.  I want to have the option of
 >adopting children.  I want the option of working for the government in
 >a position I am qualified for.
 >
 >Now, really.  Is any of this unreasonable?

Maybe the response is to allow that the rights allowed homosexuals
under proposed antidiscrimination statues would certainly be made
available without prejudice to straight people-- including
permission to marry a member of their own sex.

Not that I think that there is a response that will end the 'phobes'
opposition.  But other members of the audience might enjoy this
one.
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: migraine awareness (was sneezing awareness)
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:01:22 GMT
Organization: -

In article <BuBF9K.4vB@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> [jns about the comparison to coming out 
> and saying you have some medical condition, in his case migraine.]
>
> Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes.
> 
> Lately, their frequency has increased from twice a year to twice a
> month - but that will subside once I start sleeping regularly again, I
> hope. I get scared when I have them at home alone, because I have
> knives there (hey, I have to eat with something) and I'm scared that
> one day during an attack I won't be able to resist sticking one in my
> brow to just _get_ _that_ _pressure_ _away_ .

Mine went away for 10 years, but came back about 3 years ago.  Luckily
I only get one or two per year.  My migraines are always triggered by
glare (and being tired).  I can't drive without sunglasses.  Polarized
ones work best.  

I would have an impossible time handling or even finding a knife. My
vision is totally worthless during a migraine (in fact, I usually turn
off all the lights in the house).  I was also surprised during my last
one that I couldn't add numbers together.  (Gee, I never thought of it
before but the first migraines I had occurred in 7th grade math
class.)

The last 2 I had occurred while driving in rush hour traffic on the
freeway.  The glare from the oncoming cars triggered them.  I could
make out the red tail lights of the car in front of me and just tried
to follow it at a safe distance.  I had a horrible time identifying my
exit and crossing lanes.

> 
> Fortunately, I'm slowly adapting to sleeping through them. As soon as I
> get them, I get sleepy and tired and have to yawn, so I can blissfully
> ignore the pain whilst unconcious. I just _love_ my subconcious.
> 

Sleeping through them works for me too, but massive doses of caffeine
also help.  I've also started getting hangovers (slow to respond,
bothered by load noises, etc.) the day after a migraine.

Jim
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Words (was : god save us nelly queens!)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 00:13:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <5-vngbh.jfh@netcom.com> 
jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

> Does anyone know the words to "God Save Us Nelly Queens"?

I don't, but I know someone who does.  Should I ask?

This really has nothing to do with anything -- well, now that
I think about it, it sort of does -- but I received a call today
from my ex-boyfriend (no nell he; he's straight-acting through
and through in a Woody Allen-ish kind of way) who just moved to 
*Alabama* this week.  He called to give me his address and phone 
number, and to kvetch about how *horrible* it is there (he was 
horrified to witness people saying grace over their catfish 
"fingers" at a diner in nearby Opelika), but the real reason he 
called was to ask if I could Federal Express him a tape.  (His 
stereo equipment and thousands of lps and tapes and cds are 
somewhere in transit and not expected to arrive chez lui until 
the end of next week.)  What did he want me to send him a tape of?
Mahler's 9th?  Some of Fritz Kreisler's cream-puffy encore pieces?  
Ivan Moravec's Chopin Ballades?  Cosi fan tutte?  The Record of 
Singing, Volume One?  Ella Fitzgerald's Rodgers and Hart songbook?  
Patsy Cline's greatest hits?  Gypsy?  Sgt. Pepper?  "No More Tears 
(Enough Is Enough)"?  (You get the idea.)

No.

He wanted me to send him a tape of T.C. Jones live at the Crescendo,
and if there was room on the tape, bits and pieces of live Ethel
Merman material ("More Than You Know" and "Prisoner of Love" sung 
as if they were "I Got Rhythm", and her tribute to Judy Garland 
(during which she sings "The Trolley Song" and "Get Happy", among 
other things, but *not*, unfortunately, "The Man That Got Away").  

By New Year's he's going to be walking around in drag *and* wearing 
a yarmulke.

Arne

P.S.  T.C. Jones was just about the most fabulous female impersonator
ever.  (He makes Craig Russell look like a rank amateur.)  His big 
break was in New Faces of 1956, and he's probably best known for his 
Tallulah Bankhead, but his Bette Davis, Katharine Hepburn, Shelly 
Winters, *Louella* *Parsons*, etc., are just as hilarious.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CHFO's Good, but ... (Was: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??)
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 92 18:46:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep4.140241.9924@spdcc.com> <42426@ogicse.ogi.edu>
  <1992Sep4.200510.22306@osf.org>

Robert Coren writes:
>(oh, and would someone please re-post the corresponding address(es) in
>Colorado? Thanks.)

You took the letters right off my keyboard, Robert.  I intend to
do the same with the fight against CO:2 as OR:9.

 
() The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for
() curiosity.
()      -- Ellen Parr
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: kitchens@morpheus.austin.ibm.com (otto vaughn kitchens)
Subject: Info on SF, CA
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 21:56:53 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: kitchens@austin.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Hi, a friend and I are going to San Francisco Thursday--both for the first 
time.  Is there something that we just can't miss while we are there (alas, we
will be there only four days)?  Also, can anyone recommend some good 
vegetarian restaurants?  Thanks ever so much.  

--
otto vaughn kitchens
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:37:34 GMT

Bob Sarver taking on Clayton Cramer.

Now isn't that special.

Bob, this newsgroup was created so we could electronically be amongst
our own in peace without having to face people like Clayton all the
time. If you feel the need to talk to Clayton about his homo-hatred, do
so elsewhere.

We already know.
							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: GLB contacts in Moscow?
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:22:47 GMT

> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:

>I'm going to Moscow next week, to stay for three months, and I'd
>really appreciate any help towards locating GLB groups/people there.

Call the International G&L Human Rights Commission in San
Francisco -- they helped whatisname (Roman <something>)
start up a G/L group in Moscow -- the folks who helped
defeat last year's coup by xeroxing & distributing Yeltsin's
calls for resistance...

The IGLHRC is at (415) 647-0453.
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