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From: dac@dacami.cmhnet.org (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Pound sign (was Re: The A1200 is an CBM upgrade module!)
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:04:08 EST
Organization: Connectivity Inc, Culberson Plaza

In article <BxBusn.4AH@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> I'm running 2.04, so maybe they changed the default? Look in
> sys:prefs/env-archive/sys/keyboard.

> I think I'll stick with USA1 now... it makes more sense...

  For some reason, USA0 doesn't recognize the "()/*+" keys on my A2000's
numerical keypad.  I am running 2.04.  USA1 does.  Why is that?

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From: talan@tension.UUCP (Dave Bicking)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Panasonic printer drivers and Compugraphic output
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:48:56 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

Hello, world.  

        Unfortunately, I have little time to follow this newsgroup any more, so
I only occationally capture some messages to see what's happenning out there. 
I have printing question that I hope someone can help me with.

        I'm trying to get Compugraphic font output from Prowrite 3.2.2 to print
to a Panasonic KXP-4450 (laser printer).  The problem is, I don't have any
panasonic driver, and no-one I can find knows where to get one.  This is
exactly what I'm trying to do:

        I have a resume that I would like to print on the laser printer, but it
is at the office, and they only have IBMs.  Therefore, I'm trying to use cmp to
capture the output from the parallel port into a file on disk, which I would
then take to work and do a COPY FOO.BAR LPT1:

        Presumably, this would then dump my output to the laser printer.  I've
tried this with the EpsonQ, X, and Xold drivers (Panasonic is supposed to be
epson compatible) but I only get numeric garbage on the print-out.

        Perhaps what I'm trying to do is impossible, somebody enlighten me
please.  If anybody has _any_ panasonic drivers, please UUencode them and Email
it to me (I don't get to see the list often, so all replies should be email).

        My next querry is this:  Can somebody direct me to a GOOD (ie: working)
font conversion utility that will convert other compugraphic formats to
AmigaDos 2.0 format (why the proprietary difference, eh, C=? I know it must be
a good reason).  Postscript to Compugraphic, and Compugraphic to postscript.  I
really need fonts, and there just aren't any good Amiga-compatible
compugraphics out there *sigh*.

Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.035930.24493@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dmacphee@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Don mac phee) writes:

> The 3000 is a more logical choice than the HiQ GVP combo. It's 
>supported in both hardware and software. It has all of the features
>of the 4000 save for 040 and AGA. Most of the AGA features (2M Chip,
>sound, and maybe the DSP option) are availible to 3000 owners.

Not to mention the fact that you get an FPU bundled with the system,
an elegant case, full keyboard, on-board memory expansion,
a de-interlacer and Zorro III expansion. '040 accelerators have also
fallen considerably ($820 for the PP&S).

Then there's always SCSI :).

>The only consolation is you might not get AGA color.

In the short term. But with RTG, you will be able to easily upgrade
beyond AGA in the future.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@karazm.math.uh.edu (Dan Barrett)
Subject: Re: SAY strangeness
Reply-To: barrett@cs.umass.edu
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:43:43 GMT

In article <u1c4TB1w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Chris Hurley) writes:
>Someone once mentioned some strangities in the SAY tool of workbench 2.0 
>where you could tell it to say one thing and it would actually say 
>something else.  ANyone remember this?

	I think you're referring to a discussion last year that went on
for weeks!  To summarize:

	Someone claimed that if you type:

		1> say Oh Baby...

the Amiga would say:

		"Oh baby, I'm so hot!"

However, this was not true.  It's saying "Oh Baby and so on."  The
ellipsis (the "dot dot dot") is spoken as "and so on."

                                                        Dan

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga as a debugging machine: BLECH
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:02:19 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany
Keywords: coredump, guru

In article <BxMqDG.8Ju@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
 >All I know is that a call to free() was
 >crashing.  ...  My
 >point is, from what I've seen and used, Amiga is feeble for debugging
 >and it's depressing.  Now.. if someone could show me some NICE debugging
 >utils for the Amiga, I'd be QUITE grateful.  BTW, my machine is an
 >A3000-25.  

Hmm, ever heard of a tool named MungWall? It's distributed by Commodore
CATS and serves exactly this purpose to find such erroneous free()
calls. I have already profited from it, works very nice. Additionally,
if you are not familiar with it, ask for tools like Enforcer and a
couple others. They are really useful.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Ok, let's debug: Enforcer, MungWall, mungmungmung...
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:57:08 GMT


I once tried to use Enforcer, but it was so cryptic.  First of all, I
find it useless to actually REQUIRE Enforcer to output to SER: or PAR:.
SER: I have no other Amiga, PAR: What a waste of paper.  And when I did
actually load up my term prog to inspect SER:, Enforcer just spewed a
bunch of arcane addresses and statements that didn't make a bit of sense
to me.  I mean.. I'm no Assembly genius, I DO know C quite well, but
these debuggers are so extremely cryptic and hard to use, they don't
help me.  Can anyone please help?  (I have an A3000)

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
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From: jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The Death of the Juggler
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:54:18 EST
Organization: High Tension BBS

In article <BxICHF.HzH@fc.hp.com>, koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:
>Steve Koren (koren@fc.hp.com) wrote:
>> The Juggler has died; long live the juggler!
>
>Actually, as someone has pointed out to me, the problem is really in the
>player program.  So there is some hope for a post-mortem recessitation
>of the Juggler by fixing the player.  These aren't standard IFF anim5
>animations though, so you can't play them with ShowANIM or RTAP.
>
>   - steve
 
What we really need is a new juggler, in 24-bit.  When 16-bit audio comes out,
the juggler should be able to speak that as well.  The juggler may be dead, but
let's have the mad scientists work on Juggler, Jr.  Any takers?
 
John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: alexm@leland.Stanford.EDU (alex matthews)
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 05:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.160203.19421@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>In article <sheldon.720801343@pv1417.vincent.iastate.edu> sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:
>>>about the Amiga market.  Had WP Corp. brought out BUG FREE updated versions
>>>of WP for the Amiga, it would have sold in sufficient amounts to make it
>>
>> Funny, the latest release of WP for the Amiga I received last year was
>>bug free, and it worked under OS 2.04.  This is a lot more than I can say
>>for Excellence, ProWrite, and several other programs.
>
>I installed and ran the last version, 4.1.12 on an Amiga 500 with
>Quantum 40M drive, 1M chip ram and 2M fast ram, with WB2.04.
>
>When I tried the page preview option it hanged. This is embarassing
>as I recommended the program, and now I have to advise the person
>(my mother in law) not to use preview.
>
>WordWorth2.0 is reportedly out now or rsn. It can read and write 
>WP format files.

No kidding?  I don't suppose it can read/write WP5.1 files?  I've 
never heard of WordWorth, is it available in the U.S.?

  I would buy it in a second if it could do 5.1 files.


>
>--
>Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
>Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889


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From: "Stefan Berg" <sgberg@peach.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: MMR mem daughter board out of production...
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:37:16 -0500

CSA is not producing the memory daughter board for the MMR anymore.
One of the control chips on it is not being produced anymore, so they
cannot build the boards anymore. Since they have now the Derringer,
I don`t think they have any interest in redesigning the MMR RAM board.
They have about a hundred of them in stock now... after that you will
have a hard time getting one. I was a little shocked by this news,
because I bought myself a MMR recently.

I`m not in any way affiliated with CSA. I just called them today and
found out about this story. Most stores are actually not selling the
upgradable memory board anymore. Most of them only sell the ones where
the RAM is soldered in.

Stefan

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From: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: PCMCIA products?
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:01:10 GMT
Reply-To: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.194419.1730@cranel.com> watters@cranel.com (David Watters) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov3.073754.16240@ulrik.uio.no> jawil@hpx13.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:

>> There is no external HD port???
>> 
>> Even are silly 386 in a keyboard machines that the sales staff uses have
>> external drive ports (as well as the oh so popular internal 2.5" IDE..bleah!)
>
>I'm not aware of any clones with an "external" IDE expansion port.  In the
>case of the A600/A1200 it simply wasn't practical to extend the IDE port to
>a connector and the logicstics of finding compatible masters/slave drives
>between 2.5" and 3.5" drives are questionable.

	I doubt you could get a machine with external IDE ports past FCC,
since it's basically an straight ISA bus.  Also, the maximum length for
IDE cabling (total!) is 12 inches.  Doesn't leave lots of room to put your
external drive...  As george said, master/slave compatibility in the IDE world
is a can of worms, and it is or was especially bad in the early/cheap 2.5"
drives.

	(I'm guessing on FCC - I'm a software guy, not hardware.)

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Disclaimer: Nothing I say is anything other than my personal opinion.
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From: FelineGrace@cup.portal.com (Dana B Bourgeois)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 12:01:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov4.171536.1304@ra.msstate.edu>

Commenting on the discussion of tower cases for IBMs  and Amigas.....

I looked into the $100 cases available for Intel motherboards and it
is not a drop-in replacement.  Most of the case manufacturers have
engineered the metal around the Intel motherbaord form-factor which
means there is usually something in the way when you try to fit the
larger Amiga motherboard in  the case.  This is not to say it can't
be done.  Lots of people have done it.  I see home-brew tower Amigas
for sale in the marketplace all the time.  But what makes sense for
a one-off usually does NOT make sense in volume.  For fit, finish,
quality, reliability, economy of scale, stockability, and lots of 
other *ilities, engineering a tower for the Amiga line of machines
and making them as needed is (my guess here, guys) far and away
the smart thing to do even if the cost for the bare case is higher.
Even if the cost for the case, engineering, and assembly is higher.
Hopefully, this case will be reused in many other products and the
price difference will come down to the $60-100 of DOS hardware.

That out of the way, the next question is:
"when will commodore put together a Tower Kit for converting non-
tower machines to the tower case?  It would be a tower case, cables,
and hardware.  Price for case, power supply and hardware should be
under $200 (actual price not SRP).  All I have is an A2000 so I 
dont know if this is even doable.  How would you handle lining up
the tracks that hold card edges?  The A2000 is different from the
A3000 which is different from the A4000, right?  Drives up cost.
Clones have standardized the slot spacing and location.

Dana Bourgeois
felinegrace@cup.portal.com
From: dmacphee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Don mac phee)
Subject: Re: A4000, 120MB HD Problems
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:13:13 GMT

In article <doiron.0gmd@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:

>It's *FAR* worse than that.  The floppy drives come with a new 'door', and if
>you accidentally poke your finger inside the drive, it slams shut, taking
>your finger with it. 

 Hey! That's part of the new math! 10 fingers minus 1 curious finger = 9.

> And, get this, the AT controller circuitry is right
>next to the floppy's stepper motor, and the electromagnets literally jumble
>the data as it passes to/from the controller, causing FRUSTRATING hard disk
>errors.

 This is humor in it's worst form... It almost sounds like a REAL fact.
Fortunately, most people realize that it's the LARGE electro-magnets that 
drive the floppy drive door that CHOMPS your data as it passes by. (Not
to mention fingers, disks, and cat paws.)

>You should be OK if you 1> don't get too adventurous with your fingers, or
>2> take out the internal drive and hook up an external one, or 3> NEVER
>EVER use the floppy and hard disk simulataneously.

 Noooo! This is a multi-tasking system. (Theoretically multi-processor,
but that's another story.) You're supposed to run EVERYTHING at once!
Get out your DSS-8, HP-Laser Jet, SupraFaxModem, 8-line BBS, Toaster, 
GenLock, De-interlacer, 112 Meg ram board, Unix, PC software, Mac software
Amiga Software simultaneously! And then scream for days that C= isn't
paying close enough attention to the needs of a computing market.

>For the humor impaired- this was a joke :)

 This was a scathing commentary into the demoralization of a nation as
a whole, the disintegration of the US infrastructure, and the lack of
substantial computer-related posts in this group.

 Anybody got a handy sarcasm meter that one can wave in front of the 
screen???
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam)
Subject: PLT plotter -> wb printer
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:16:59 GMT

I was just wondering, does anyone know what ever happened to PLT, or
if there were any new versions being released. I have version 1.3
which dates back to 1989 and its beginning to show its age.  For
anyone who doesn't know, PLT is a handler which allows you to print to
any preferences printer any plotting document (which has HPGL plotting
codes).  It actually works very well.

Edwin

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: soh@tmp_ip_003.trl.OZ.AU (Soh Kam Hung)
Subject: Re: Commodore's Second Quarter Results
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:32:44 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.160131.27783@cs.sandia.gov> mjsagar@sandia.gov (Mathias J Sagartz) writes:
>>From the Wall Street Journal 11/6/92

>>        Revenue dropped more than 22% to $158.6 million from 204.1 million.  

>   Strange that this comes only a couple of weeks after Apple announced that
>it had broken IBM's record in the personal computer industry by shipping 
>2 million systems in one year.  Why is Commodore getting hit by almost 25%
>reductions in sales, while Apple Computer is reporting record sales?  

Where did Marc learn arithmetic?  22% is closer to 20% than 25%!  Yes,
the reduction in revenue is bad for Commodore, but talk about a biased
view!  Also, why doesn't Marc compare apples to apples?  Comparing item
sales with revenue is useless without knowing the item cost.

GRRH!  Why am I dumb enough to reply to a Marc Barrett article?  I need
to get my head examined.

Soh Kam Hung, Network Management Research,     | h.soh@trl.oz.au  
TRL, POB 249 Clayton, Victoria 3168, Australia | +61 3 253 6638
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dfs5716@usl.edu (Seidel Daniel F)
Subject: Re: AMIGA STINKS
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.031945.8563@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
>infinity@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Hedemann) writes:
>
>
>>I FUCKING HATE AMIGAS!!!
>>ALL AMIGA OWNERS SHOULD BE KILLED
>
>Ahhh...blow it out your ass, you STUPID Idiotic_Breakdown_Machine user!
How about Insuficiant_But_Marketable

>-Doc
>
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>Babs  : "Goodnight, Babs."                                                      I'm tiny, I'm toony, and I'm a little looney!                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren MacKenzie                                                                ("The Doctor")                                                                  890530m@aucs.acadiau.ca
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy)
Subject: Re: FTP Sites
Keywords: ftp
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:29:32 GMT

sjmitche@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve Mitchell) writes:

>     I'm sure that this is an FAQ, but I've gotta ask it anyway:

>     Would someone please explain to me how to get access to anonymous FTP 
>sites?  E-Mail will suffice, so as we don't force the rest of the net into 
>this...

May I direct your attention to news.newusers.questions.  I think you'll
find a FAQ there that explains FTP.


-- 

	Mike Bandy
	bandy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
	Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Lab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: zrawi01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jochen Wiedmann)
Subject: Re: Commodore's Second Quarter Results
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:47:51 GMT

In <1992Nov6.160131.27783@cs.sandia.gov> mjsagar@sandia.gov (Mathias J Sagartz) writes:

>        The computer maker said the first quarter of fiscal 1993 was hit
>        particularly hard by weak markets in Germany, the biggest market
>        for its consumer-oriented computers. [Shame on you Germans!]

					      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why? WE bought the Amiga in the past and will do in the future. How about
the USA?

		Jochen

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: How to transfer a file larger than a diskette from IBM to AMIGA
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:59:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.050805.9341@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au writes:
>--
>OK, you have an enormous file, and a number of 720k MS-DOS disks, and an Amiga.
>The maximum available space on a 720k disk is 730112 bytes (713 * 1024)
>
>There are several ways to split data files, it all depends on where (and how)
>you wish to do it:
>
>if the large file "huge.lzh" is on a PC already, I'd recommend the utility
>bsplit

I wouldn't recommend it. Just use backup on the PC (part of msdos),
and restore the disks with the PD Program "PC Restore", amiga.physik.unizh.ch
has this utility.


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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200-Commodore U.S. Statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:27:08 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <1992Nov06.005456.28950@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) wrote:
> In article <Paula_Lieberman.070e@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
> >How can a machine without virtual memory compete on an even keel against
> >machines that do have virtual memory?
> 
> Because it cost about $500-$600?

That's about the right for a Windows box these days. What's the cost
for the machine without VM?

Followup have been pointed to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.

	<mike