HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:02:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43257
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Sep27.015943.11157@wolves.uucp> wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>In article <43206@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>>
>>[about usenet.age]
>
>	Interesting thought.  Not entirely unrelated to the concepts of
>physiological time vs. apparent time when dealing with travels at
>relativistic velocities.  

Drats!  I hate it when I get caught plagiarizing!

Yes, this is exactly the phonomenon I was thinking about when I posted
the original article.  The parallel seemed fascinating and worth the
exploration.

>	How does this relate to the number of years that the poster has
>been posting to Usenet?

I have been doing the email thing with some people and pointing out
that their usenet.age does not appear to be anywhere near their
chronological age.  Not that a high or low usenet.age is bad!
Contrary, I believe that only that only a very high or very low
usenet.age is something to worry about.  Rather, I see a maturity of
argument which some people are 'born' here with (not me, mind you) and
others grow into as an indication of a 'mature' usenet.age.  That is
not to say that their posts are trying to put forth 'mature' concepts,
but that their approach is neither infantile nor wizened, on the whole
(I think that many of us are inclined to engage in one or the other of
the extremes at times, usually deliberately).

I think that you have an appropriate usenet.age when you understand and
accept that what you have to say isn't always going to be liked by
everyone, that people will read your words in a way other than you had
intended, and that there are other points of view from which you may
learn a thing or two.  Most people have no problem with the third
concept and I had a terrible problem with the second one (but I'm
feeling *muuuch* better, now).

To use myself as an example, when I first started posting, I would labor
over each post, trying to make it perfect.  Then, once on the net and
under the lights some posts didn't quite stand up to scrutiny.  I usually
reacted like a small child around a hot stove, running for cover and
not engaging the net in dialogue.  I have since begun to learn how to
start a dialogue on the net as opposed to posting treatise.  For me,
dialogue works better.  Your mileage may vary.

My usenet.age?  Well, I think I am learning to walk and making fast
progress towards running.  Pretty soon, I might just need a conceptual
adoption!

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: National Take It Out Day
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:57:09 GMT

Posted to GayNet, reposted from the Orange County Blade:

   "OC Responds to Bank of America with "Take It Out Day"

   "In response to Bank of America's sudden reversal of a basic anti-
    discrimination policy, gays and lesbians across the U.S. are
    poised to take action.  Many are expected to participate in
    "National Take It Out Day" on Tuesday, October 13.

   "Earlier this year, BankAmerica Corp., along with Wells Fargo and
    Levi Strauss, suspended funding of the Boy Scouts of America due
    to the Boy Scouts' stated discriminatory policies toward atheists
    and homosexuals.  On Aug. 18, however, BankAmerica announced that
    a "clarification of the [Boy Scouts'] membership policy" would
    allow funding to be resumed.  The Boy Scouts insist that there
    has been no change in their policies as it relates to gays.

   "According to proponents, "National Take It Out Day" presents an
    opportunity for fair-minded individuals [to] speak out against
    discrimination with their checkbooks.  They are asking people to
    use Oct. 13 as a day to either withdraw funds from Bank of
    America or to close their accounts altogether.  At press time,
    groups in Seattle, San Francisco, LA, and Orange County had
    indicated their intent to participate.

   "In Orange County, a demonstration is planned for the Bank of
    America Main Branch in Santa Ana (801 N. Main St.) at noon.
    Protests are also anticipated in Seattle and West Hollywood.

   "Security Pacific, SeaFirst, HonBank (Hawaii), and Valley Bank
    (Nevada) --- each of which is operated by BankAmerica --- are
    also targeted."

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: "TAKE IT OUT" DAY: October 13th [Action against BANK of AMERICA]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:48:44 -0400
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Chad Jones writes:

"Take It Out" Day
  I was strolling through West Hollywood yesterday, when I saw a flyer on the
  window of a closed-down store at the corner of San Vicente and Santa Monica.
  I'll try to summarize here:

  Tuesday, October 13, has been designated as "Take It Out" Day, a protest
  against Bank Of America's decision to re-fund the BSA.  Holders of accounts
  are asked to close all accounts at B of A and Security Pacific branches (they
  recently merged) and open accounts at Wells Fargo, which does not fund the
  BSA anymore, letting them know that you are switching because of Wells
  Fargo's standing firm on its decision to de-fund the BSA.

  And a personal aside, as a satisfied Wells Fargo customer, their service is
  much better (and less expensive!) than B of A or Security Pathetic.

  Chad Jones
  UCLA Department of Physiological Science
  cjones@physci.ucla.edu

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: No on optilink
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:21:12 GMT


In article <1992Sep26.170507.6280@spdcc.com>
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	Back in the old days we could count on newsadmins to be responsible
>for their sites.  Can anyone suggest a solution to this?  I think after
>a year of this misuse of the net, that we've merited some kind of
>plenary indulgence.

I think that has been tried wrt optilink, to no avail.

>	Would a discussion of this be suitable for news.admin?
>Something needs to be done, and the passive nature of the net "let
>things work out on their own" simply isn't working in the case where 
>people such as Cr*m*r refuse to follow simple rules regarding improper
>cross-posting.

I really don't think there's much alternative except for
*us* to be vigilant about cross-posts and not to play with
those idiots in our own yard, if play with them we must.
They're here to annoy queers and for no other reason; don't
give 'em the satisfaction they seek.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Madonna offers haven to Diana
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:13:16 GMT


In article <7463@charon.cwi.nl> waal@cwi.nl (Peter de Waal)
writes:

>the Dutch crown prince applied for
>governmental financial support when he went to college. Every citizen
>is entitled to receive this financial assistance, but hey, the little
>brat already gets 1000000 Hfl (+-600000 US$) a year for, well, getting
>tickets for speeding his BMW, failing exams and doing nothing.

CNN reported last night that Bill Gates is the richest
American, with $6.7 billion, roughly $320,000 for each day
of my life.  I think it would be difficult, but I could
probably scrape by on that.  I could even afford a few
scholarships to my special camp here in Madison, I think.  I
know any number of delicious young men who would love me
*really and truly*, too.  Some of them are Dutch!

<> I shudder to think how deliberately unaware you strive
<> to make yourself. -- Bob Sarver (bobsarv@microsoft.com)
<> Whereas it just comes naturally to you, huh?
<> -- Polly Powledge (psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com)
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: Phil Donahue lives in an alternate universe
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:29:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.132007.16184@Princeton.EDU> sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) writes:
>On yesterday's (9/28) Donahue show about the lesbian wedding announcement
>in Austin, Texas, Donahue showed a map of the U.S. with the title,
>"Domestic Partnership Recognition in the United States."  The map
>indicated that the following states have laws recognizing domestic
>partnerships: Hawaii, Washington, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin,
>Michigan, Texas, New York, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode
>Island (I think--it's too small too tell well), New Jersey, Maryland,
>Delaware (I think--same problem as RI), and Florida.  He gave no
>explanation of what this meant.  Anyone have any ideas what he was
>referring to?

Yes... and just when my mind was screaming at him he corrected
himself.  He was referring to some court decisions in those
states which recognized that there was some legal standing
between partners in same-sexed unions.  In other words, one
can sue for divorce and not have it tossed out of court just
because the partners were not legally married in the eyes of
an ignorant or bigoted government.

Hey... doesn't the stand on same-sex marriage violate our
civil rights on the basis of "sex"?  Discriminating against
the two partners who just happen to be of the same sex should
be illegal.  As should be the absence of equal employment
benefits on the basis of maritial status and/or sex.

I really loved watching those two 'phobes stick their foots in
their mouths.  They preached that they were against the
homosexual agenda of special rights and argued for equal
rights... when the lesbians agreed that they just wanted their
equal right to publically affirm their union (not to mention
their equal right to get married), I got the impression that
those two 'phobes got really confused :)  Poor, silly
'phobes!
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.203033.20093@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1acuceINNhp8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
>tachyon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Tane' Tachyon) writes:
>
>>The men can all go around naked for all I care!  :-)
>
>S'all right with me!
>
In fact, where exactly DO you shop?  And are ALL the men going around naked?
How do I get to that mall?

What?  What was that?  OH, sarcasm!  I get it.  Nevermind.....   :(


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From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: politics of panels
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:54:44 GMT
Organization: MOTSS CABAL, NO MORE CHINESE FOOD DIVISION

In article <1992Sep30.113736.2194@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> alto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>I'm doing a research project on the politics of panels and am not having much
>luck. If you have any information on panels, been on panels, or seen a panel,
>I'd like to hear from you.

You might check the Xview Programming Reference.



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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: "Marines go to war over sexy AIDS ad"
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:18:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

[From the San Francisco Examiner, Monday, September 28, 1992.  First three
paragraphs quoted verbatim.]

   The Marine Corps is threatening legal action against the San Francisco 
   AIDS Foundation because a model in one of its sexy ads has a Marine 
   Corp emblem tattooed on his arm, whch is wrap lovingly around another 
   man.

   That is not such an unusual sight in San Francisco.  But is is unusual
   in the Marine Corps, where homosexuality is grounds for immediate 
   discharge.

   "The use of the emblem in your advertisement could create the inference
   that the Marine Corps is somehow partially responsible for the spread
   of AIDS in the San Francisco area," wrote Maj. K. H. Winters, 
   assistant staff judge advocate for research and civil law in Washington,
   D.C., in a July letter to the foundation."

The letter goes on to say that use of the emblem could be taken to mean
that the Marine Corps approves homosexuality, and threatens to sic the 
Attorney General on the SFAF if they don't cease and desist. 

Foundation executive Pat Christen said that they intend to continue using
the ad.  The Marine Corps says that the emblem is copyrighted, and can't be
used in an advertisement without permission.  The legal question is,
apparently, if it's legal for someone to have the tattoo put on his arm
(freedom of expression), can a picture of that arm be used in a photo? 

[I think that the Marine Corps probably *is* partly responsible for the
spead of AIDS in the Bay Area; certainly they're trying to prevent a type
of AIDS education which has been shown to be effective.]

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:45:54 GMT

> buckmr@lib110.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:

>>Tracey Chapman			singer
>NOT out, no e.

Interesting, not to mention amusing interview with Tracy
Chapman in the current Bay Guardian (SF-based 'alternative'
newspaper).  Here are the relevant bits:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Bay Guardian:  A lot of female performers are "coming out."
               If you were gay, would that be something you
               would feel like doing -- publicly?

Tracy Chapman:  Um...I don't know, it would depend.  That's
                what I think in the end -- that it's up to
                each person, to do that and come out when
                they choose to, and if they choose to.

BG:  What do you think are some of the difficulties of "coming
     out" publicly?

TC:  [laughs] I think they're pretty obvious, especially in
     this recent climate, and in terms of the election year,
     and the fact that Bush and his whole camp has decided to
     make an issue of what they're calling "family values,"
     and also of being openly homophobic and telling the
     general public that that's OK.  On the one hand, at this
     point, I can see it as being...you'd just be coming out
     to a very hostile climate.  At the same time, I guess
     there'd be the possibility that you could give people a
     better understanding of gay people.
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:08:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Oct3.220858.2066
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <BvK8oL.M5A@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.134031.245073@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY) writes:
>
>>Just rememebered.  "Friday" by Robert Heinlein (Stranger in a Strange Land) has
>>a cheerfully bisexual woman as the title character.
>
>Unfortunately, Heinlein's portrayals of sexuality (mainly female
>sexuality) were rather overwhelmingly sexist and patronizing.  I
>cannot recall any female Heinlein character imbued with sexuality that
>seemed any more two-dimensional than those in alt.sex.stories.
>
   Unfortunately true.  I guess this is because Heinlein was 
   satisfying his own fantasies, rather than offering any
   examination of interesting alternatives.   

   Two women and a man.  That was the limit of Heinlein's 
   vaunted liberalness.  Guess who the man would be.

   Wayne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Steve Wingard <wingard@scw.b11.ingr.com>
Subject: _Working_It_Out_...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6ED28A231014503@blammo.b10.ingr.com>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 28 Sep 92 02: 24:50 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:24:01 GMT


(EFX: sound of oven door creaking open)

Hi, folks...  time for me to give Jeff Norris some company (he's been
working so hard as Huntsville's goodwill ambassador to soc.motss....)
and shake off the posting cobwebs (it's been about three or four years).

A while back, there was a posting about a quarterly newsletter/magazine
called _Working_It_Out_, which is targeted at G/L/B workplace issues.
I'm involved with a fledgling G/L/B professional group (yes, it can
happen even in Alabama... we hope) and we'd like some more information
before we put our scarce (so far) money down for a subscription.

If anyone has run across this magazine and had a chance to read it,
could you please post or e-mail a mini-review?  It would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks!

--
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wingard@scw.b11.ingr.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu>
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:12:43 GMT

    Message-ID: <ld0q73INN8n2@spim.mti.sgi.com> 
    From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) 

    >>Beard are hot, shaved heads are hot, shaved bodies are hot, 
    >>hairy bodies are hot.

Men are hot.

David Christopher Rogers
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: evil twins
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:15:34 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.165637.12118@gordian.com>
mike@gordian.com (Michael A.  Thomas) writes:

>  Prey tell, what does keeping house have to do with being a house boy?
   ^^^^
>I thought that a proper houseboy's duties were to keep the lube and
>condoms in plentiful supply. 

The mind *always* gives up its secrets.

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From: kirk@ctms.gwinnett.com (R. Kirk Waterhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Results of Sexual Orientation---Handedness Surveys!
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:04:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ctms.1992Oct05.200453.8402
Organization: Consolidated Traffic Management Services (CTMS)

>So, the results seem to suggest that gay men and lesbians are more likely to
>be left handed.

Just as a side note:    Bush, Clinton, and Perot are all left handed!

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Madonna offers haven to Diana
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 09:48:07 GMT


In article <1992Oct5.053302.3371@midway.uchicago.edu>
elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct4.045645.6648@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM
>(Henry Mensch) writes:

>>well, chuck's mom is the tenth richest woman in the world

>There are nine women with more money than old Liz?  Who?

I believe the Dutch royal family could buy up the English
one about five times.

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Jess has designs on *my* little boy!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 04:21:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <thaaang.717649925@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) 
writes:
>
>>In article <Bv4s0t.DLy@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
>>writes:
>
>(Hey boy, when the fuck are you going to get a picture into the archive?

Yeah, fj!, we were just talking about that yesterday at an unofficial cabal
meeting.  Your adoring fans await you!

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From: kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser)
Subject: Re: evil twins
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:28:18 GMT

In article <BvAt7I.sE@cs.vu.nl> FJ!! asks John Dorrance:

>Did Marcus see you? He has seen me, maybe he could share his opinion in
>how far we'd get in passing as siblings.

I am sure most people would not have a problem to look at you as
siblings. (At least as long as you don't have sex.)

--markus