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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:47:49 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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[BReferences: <1992Dec13.021529.20368@usl.edu>

In article <1992Dec13.021529.20368@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>1) I like the looks of the Amiga1200 and the Amiga600! Really!  The A1200
>looks like a 'matured' A500, IMO.  The 600 look fine, too.  I like the tilted-
>up look to them

Good.  I thought the 500 looked better than the 2000 (of course the 500
was my first computer so I might be biased, and I now have a 2000).

>2) Wow, that WB 2.0 looks AWFUL.  Granted, I haven't actually used it, but
>from the screen shot, it looks SO primitive!  I guess it is the 4 colors only
>that does it.  Really, it hardly looks any better than the mouse-interface 
>for MSDOS 5.0's EDIT.COM.  Or QBasic. You get the picture.  Really, you guys
>may claim Windows and OS/2 looks to flashy/blocky/clumsy, but WB2.0 looks
>primitive as hell!

If you don't like 4 colors, then set it so 8 or 16.  If you ever get to
play with it, just go into the preferences.  One thing you have to
admit, it sure looks a LOT better than 1.X.  Unfortunately, my financial
restrictions as a college student prevent me from upgrading.  Besided,
I'd like to upgrade to a better computer (IE a 4000 or at least a 1200).
More than likely, I'll buy a 1200 (it's MUCH more in my price range),
but that might not be for a year or two.  I guess I'll just see what C=
comes out with before then (in case it effects my position).

>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 16 color icons
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:41:32 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??) writes:

>In article <BzCD2H.4pA@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>>jepaul@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Darth Jason) writes:
>>
>>>Can someone point out where I can get some 16 color icons?  Thanks!
>>
>>IconEdit. :)

>Any idea if there is a 256color icon editor out there??
>is it possible to have 256color icons??

Under 3.0, the icon editor certainly only handles 8 (it won't do 16).  I believe
this is in an effort to keep the Workbench from devouring all of the pens
available on a system - leaving some left for applications that use colors to
adjust for themselves.

>Jim
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Screeeemmmmmin fast 4000/040..YEEEEEEHA!!          X-ASOCC (CBM Blew that one)
>          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
>  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
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From: jjf@byron.u.washington.edu (Matthew Martin)
Subject: Amiga 1200 WHERE THE HECK IS IT?
Reply-To: jjf@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:06 GMT

OK, it's December 16, and still no Amiga 1200...where the heck is it?  Has Commodore completely forgotten the Christmas release date?  Come on guys, 9 days left.  Some of use are waiting eagerly, this 1000 won't hold out much longer!

Amiga 1200, when and where?  Sheesh!

jjf@byron.u.washington.edu












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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:17:26 GMT

>Perhaps when they become *really* advanced, there will be dozens and
>dozens of busses to choose from.

What's wrong with that?  As long as my software will work with them
when I update my computer, and I can take my peripherals with me (which
I will be able to if I choose my new bus properly) I see no problem
with having a pile of different buses.  It inspires competition.
Unfortunately it's a little confusing for the new user, but for an old
pro, it's good to have a choice and have competition.

>Oddly enough, OS/2 2.0 does that to me me a whole lot more than AmigaDOS,
>and my OS/2 machine has 8M of RAM and 31M of swap space. I'm not
>sure what that means. But you've got to admit, its interesting.

You have a 31 MB swap file?  That's a bug.

>But its certainly due to their lack of popularity rather than any
>architectural advantages.

As someone pointed out to me in the OS/2-Windows debate...popularity IS
an architectural advantage.  I know you meant technical advantages, but
they have to be weighed side by side with productivity advantages,
economic advantages etc.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 19 Dec 1992 06:12:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'(Paul Prescod) writes:
'>We'll have OS/2 games when AGA games become plentiful.  OS/2 is brand
'>new so it doesn't have many yet, but it won't be long before there are
'>hundreds of OS/2 games.

	While I would love to see native OS2 games, I think it will be a long
   time before we see any.  Discounting public domain games, look at how few
   Windows games there are, and Win3.x has sold 15+ million copies.  OS2 will
   be around 2 million at yearend, thats just not enough market for game
   software companies.  Christ, they are bailing out of the Amiga market and
   thats around 3-4 million machines.   
        360 gives me some hope though, in there update to Harpoon v1.32 they
   have a whole section devoted to running it under OS2.  Hopefully they might
   create an OS2 version of Harpoon II someday.  I doubt it, but you can always
   dream.  How many other game companies have devoted an entire section of a
   manual to OS2?  

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
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From: rcaslis@hydra.acs.uci.edu (Russell Caslis)
Subject: Prices for an A1200
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:50:06 GMT


OK, so tell me: when the 1200 becomes available in the states (Jan 2?), how
much will it cost me for a system?

What I want is:  A1200
                 hard disk (80MB or greater)
                 maybe 1960 monitor or equivalent

Take into consideration that I'm a college student (educational discount?) and
that I have an A1000 (powerup deal?).

I'm just trying to decide whether or not I can spend any money on food this
month...



--
Russ Caslis
rcaslis@uci.edu
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:53:03 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>America was established to free us from such oppression.  It is
>based on F-R-E-E-D-O-M.

I have to say something here, which is that freedom does not imply anarchy or
imply "do whatever you want however you want to do it".  I am tired of smokers
and gasoline auto drivers complaining that it's their "constitutional right"
to pollute the air and/or their coworkers' lungs with their filth.  It is not
so.  Freedom in the US means that you can do whatever you like, up to the point
where it starts to seriously affect someone else.  Then it falls under
legislation.  I'm not arguing with your statistics on gun control, and in fact
I think that's probably accurate, but I'd rather have more police carrying
bigger guns than more guns lying around for children to play with or untrained
gun owners to accidentally misfire or fail to aim properly, not to mention the
case of suicides (most suicides attempted with guns succeed, compared with most
others, which don't).
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jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ::                                        --John Lehman
From: d2hacker@dtek.chalmers.se (Magnus Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Has anyone see something like the c-shell for DOS?
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:55:27 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

jbjones@crash.cts.com (John Jones) writes:

>I'm looking for something like the c-shell for DOS; not just history
>or aliases, but something that allows nested processing. You know,
>like this:
>If (awk -f this.awk testfile) = "Tomorrow afternoon" { do stuff}

>The program I'm looking for would evaluate what's in the parentheses
>first and use the output for the "If" test.  I've seen some shell
>wannabees, but none that would do this.  When it came to variable
>names and nested processing they bombed out.  Has anyone seen
>something like this?  I'd appreciate the help.

>john jbjones@crash.cts.com

Hi John!

You should try out Csh v5.19. It's available via anonymous ftp from
nic.funet.fi in directory /pub/amiga/shells/Csh

It's really great. It has (I think) over a hundred built-in comands and
functions, file name completion, etc etc. All in 120K!

Hope this helps!
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From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Subject: Re: Wish list for AGA software
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 03:44:50 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07jg@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>
>I'm not judging -anyone- on their sexual fetishes, as long as they don't
>post them on comp.sys.advocacy!  A{miga fetishes are ONE thing -- if Neal
>wants to say how wonderful/unwonderful Amiga 6000/1200s/2000s/3000s/4000s
>etc are, that's ONE thing --when he or other people go around talking
>bimboes in bikinis or subservient female sex slaves, they've kshoved THEIR
>sexual fetishes in MY face.   and when it comes to THAT shit, je m'en
>fiche!  I don't post sex fantasies here, I expect other people to not post
>THEIRS, either!  You want bimboes in bikinis, go bu~ry Penthouse or
>whatever.  You mention bimboes with bi{g boobs in bikinis he{re, I{'ll
>flame at you...... or make snide comments about male bimboes in Speedoes
>with something that looks more interesting to me to -look- at {that that
>f*ck*ing beach bimbo in the f*cking OpalVision ad....... 
>

why do think we wouldnt find it entirely too funny to hear you describe 
a sexual fantasy involving speedos....
also, that opalvision add is something... but not nearly
so sexist as your typical taco bell commercial....

mike seifert, roman, countryman

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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:19:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.121614.3327@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <Bz85s7.DLK@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   Call me a fool if you want, but I would not have put IDE into a high-end
>>over-$3000 computer like the A4000.
>
>Marc, you are a dweeb. You wouldn't have put anything into a high-end
>computer because you don't build nor sell any.

What, haven't you caught wind of the Marcstation I? These are the rumored
features I've heard:

- retail:  $2999.99
- 800x600 non-interlaced; interlacing is absolutely forbidden BUT there is a
  built-in flicker fixer
- horizontal refresh rate 31kHz or greater ONLY.. in fact, the Marcstation(tm)
  forbids any peripheral that will put out < 31kHz and destroys any monitor
  which syncs below 31kHz
- 8080 CPU
- 1-bit Marcbus(tm)
- 64K RAM limit (compensated for by the virtual memory scheme below)
- can accept up to 666 666K floppy drives for use with MarcVirtualMemory(tm)
  these drives sport 6.66 sec seek time, with 666 byte/sec read/write speed
- MarcOS(tm) with virtual memory support and memory protection.. make that
  virtual memory REQUIREMENT.. the OS needs a minimum of 50M memory, which
  means you must get some of the 666K floppys to load the OS on. Memory
  protection scheme will (hopefully) protect apps from bugs in the OS kernel
- latest version of MarcOS is approaching cooperative multi-tasking
- built-in MFM interface. Third party IDE interfaces, IDE drives destroyed
  upon contact with Marcstation(tm). MFM drives may not be used as
  virtual memory, as they are too fast.
- built-in MarcTalk(tm) local networking allows for communication between
  two Marcstations in morse code

Any other rumors? :)

>
>Regards,
>-- 
>Michael van Elst
>UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
>Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
>                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."

Francis

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Tandy (Was: Re: Educational Software/CDTV)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:17:24 GMT

In article <BzFKvu.rn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>Today I was looking at the VIS machine at a Radio Shack (Tandy) store.
>>Here's an honest to god conversation:
>>
>>Me: Pretty neat. What kind of processor does it have?
>>
>>Salesman: Oh it doesn't need one. Its not a computer.
>>
>>Hasn't Commodore been down this same path?  I have to admit though,
>>since it uses Modular Windows, it looks to have a better chance
>>at success than the other two offerings.
>
>You may already know this, but in case you are curious, it's an 80x86
>compatible.  I'm not sure which one.
>
>But how does the VIS look?

   The one I saw had pretty good animation, and real good color.  The 
resolution looked to be right around 320x200, which is the same resolution
that most CDTV software uses.

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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bus Standards
Date: 19 Dec 1992 06:48:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

(Tim Ciceran) writes:
'>>and another guy that said he had a PC to run astronomy
'>>programs.
'>It's not like there aren't any available on the Amiga.

	True, but there are very few of them.  I know of Distant Suns and 
   Voyager II.  These are nice planetarium programs, but what about more
   specific astronomy software, like remote telescope control, ccd imaging,
   image manipulation software.  The PC has an endless supply of these, along
   with astrophotography utilities, image libraries, object databases, etc.
   etc..  Thats a big advantage to have.  If you are at all interested in
   computer astronomy or astrophotograhpy the IBM compatible is an invaluable
   tool.  Take a look through Sky & Telescope or Astronomy magazines sometime.
   You will see that the Amiga is an afterthought at best.  This is not to 
   say that the Amiga could not handle this type of software, but that there
   is no support for it. 

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
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From: falavi@bach.mth.kcl.ac.uk (Farrukh Alavi)
Subject: Re: IBM PC Demise?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:20:51 GMT
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In article 39401 papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)  
boasts:

>>If the people who develop a machine drop it and go to something better,
>>then why is everyone saying the amiga is going to die?
>
>Because it is.

Yet another member of the large number of people who have been confidently  
predicting the Amiga's death since 1986. Congratulations.

>IBM is moving to something better, a low priced RISC
>workstation, not an out-of-date, unsupported CISC home computer.

Why do you spend so much time posting with such frequency and with such  
passionate contempt to a newsgroup devoted to an out-of-date unsupported  
CISC home computer? Doesn't the Mathematics Department at Waterloo give  
its undergrads some real work to do once in a while?

----------------------
Dr F. Alavi
Mathematics Department
University of London
----------------------
(just to prove the point - I wouldn't normally worry with .sigs)
From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Alpha Amigas: HUH?! Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:58:37 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Stephenson Daniel A writes:
>
>People on this group talk about a 'RISC' Amiga, or 'Alpha' AMiga.
>Isn't an Amiga defined by AMigaDOS and the extensive use of the
>graphics chips??
>
>With NT or whatever, wouldn't this shoot to hell WHAT the label
>on the computer says?

Last year I saw an article proposing a hobbyist upgrade to
the Atari 800.  It would have a much faster CPU, thus preventing
use of the Antic and GTIA custom chips (for display lists, sprites,
etc.)  These would be replaced by a PC compatible VGA graphics
board.  There would also be a way to attach PC compatible floppy
and hard drives, etc.

Whatever the end result is, it sure isn't an Atari computer.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
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From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: IBM PC Demise?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:10:16 GMT

>It is given that IBM is going to drop the IBM PC computer lines.
>They are going to go to PowerPC?

Wrong fact #1.  IBM is going to support and advance both lines.

>If the people who develop a machine drop it and go to something better,
>then why is everyone saying the amiga is going to die?

Because it is.  IBM is moving to something better, a low priced RISC
workstation, not an out-of-date, unsupported CISC home computer.

>By the way, isn't Intel going to drop the 80XXX line?

Yeah, in about 15 years maybe!
They just changed the name...x86 isn't copywritable, Pentium is.

>I was told that by someone, and if the major producer of the cpu stops,
>doesn't that mean that IBM PC compatables are doomed too?

Wrong, wrong, wrong.  There are many, many other companies who would
fill in the gap...NexGen, Cyrix, AMD, NEC, Chips & Technology.

>It is a given that it is a dated machine.

Dated how?  We've got 4 or more new operating systems in the last few years,
two new buses and lots of new apps.

>Obviously, IBM would be stupid not to incorporate a IBM PC emulator in their
>PowerPC line, so in another words, anyone who has a pc emulator would be
>on the same foot initially with the PowerPC.

Except that the PowerPC is a RISC CPU that will run Unix, System 7 and
DOS at PC prices.  It is marketed by two companies that UNDERSTAND
marketing.  It has huge market hype two years before release?

>So What do you folks think? Will the above happen? Every computer is slated
>to go to that great silicon heap in the sky, unfortunately even the
>Amiga some day. So is it time for the IBM PC to go or not?

Not in this decade...

Is this how rumours start?

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Histories Re: A4000 or NOT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:48:28 GMT

In article <1g8m8lINN6t2@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.180821.1496@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who also had and Apple ][ and did something with it
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>It seems that we're all a bunch of Apple's 8-bit rejects.  ;)

Hmm.  My first computer was a Commodore Plus 4, way back in the 7th grade.
I even started some simple programming on it.  However, I ending up
becoming totally disgusted with programming (even to this day) since I 
was NEVER able to save anything I wrote to floppy disk.  You see, the 
computer manual told me two things: 1) put the write-protect tab on the floppy
disk to prevent data loss, and 2) Use some HEADER command to *format* the
floppy so I could save programs.  Unfortunately, they didn't say in which order
to do those.  Get it?!   So I was never able to save my programs because I
couldn't FORMAT a floppy with a write-protect tab on!!  Ack!
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:47:30 GMT

>You're missing a basic point here.  The high end becomes the low end. 
>Sitting beside me is a Sun 3/60, a 20MHz '020 based machine.  A few
>years ago it was a "high end workstation", and sold for over $25,000 in
>the same configuration that I bought recently for less than $2000.  It's
>now average by Amiga standards. 
>
>C= needs to start working towards the performance of today's high end
>workstations, because a few years from now that's where the low end will
>be. C= needs to move ahead to compete.

I just don't think C= has the resources to straddle two feircly
competitive markets, the Microcomputer and the workstation, and try to
keep their products mostly-compatibile at the same time.  It's
suicide!

The amount of work just the AmigaDOS port, and then all the software
ports and then some hardware kluges to allow zorro boards... I think it
would kill them.  68k amiga users wouldn't want to be left behind, but
they wouldn't be able to afford the Alpha based ones.  Workstation
users are in no hurry to rush to a new workstation standard. with NeXT
floundering and alot of other companies having a lot of trouble making
an impact, I think that moving into the workstation market would be a
big mistake.  Better to put pressure on Motorola  to increase the
performance of the 68060 to RISC levels.

Indeed, when the time comes the performance hit of emulating AmigaDOS
to run Amiga binaries could be worse then just sticking with Motorola.


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