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From: rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck)
Subject: Re: Favourite Fusion Album of All......
Organization: Pure Software, Los Altos, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:30:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.112722.13669@latcs1.lat.oz.au> teh@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Richie L C TEH) writes:

>all Allan Holdsworth's album
>too!!   (Hi Jeff, nice plung for Allan in alt.guitar!)

My favorite jazz-rock hybrids are all the Bruford and Bill Bruford's
Earthworks CDs.  Check out "One of a Kind" and "Feels Good to Me" with
Holdsworth, Jeff Berlin, and Dave Stewart (of National Health, another
good band, though a bit too "English").  And the three Earthworks CDs
are fantastic.

Also worth checking out are the old Jean-Luc Ponty CDs with
Holdsworth, John Scofield ("Electric Outlet", "Loud Jazz" and "Pick
Hits Live"), some Al DiMeola ("Scenario", with Jan Hammer, Tony Levin,
and Bruford, and "Tour de Force 'Live'", with Jan Hammer and Steve
Gadd are probably the best).  UK's first album (and bootlegs) are
great: Holdsworth at his best, with Bruford, John Wetton, and Eddie
Jobson.  UK's first was at the intersection between "progressive rock"
and "jazz-rock fusion".  Then Wetton took over the band, and Bruford
and Holdsworth left to do "Feels Good to Me").

Another great new disc is the new Chad Wackerman, with Holdsworth. 



I generally can't stand "fusion".  I find that, like "progressive
rock", there are ~6 great bands, who do original, distinctive stuff,
and hundreds of people doing real commercial pap, whose only ideas in
soloing are playing fast scales.

A great example is Marillion.  Fish is a great singer, and writes some
excellent songs (check out "Clutching at Straws"), but the musicians
are totally generic.  They have no voice of their own.



Oh, almost forgot Kazumi Watanabe's "Spice of Live" and "Spice of Life
Too", with Bruford and Jeff Berlin.  Good stuff.


-- 
Ray Peck						rpeck@pure.com
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From: v999rvdf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (CHIEN-MING KUO)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: need Steve Kuhn's info
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

about a week ago, i posted out a letter asking for Steve Kuhn's
discography, but i received no reply at all. i saw one of his recent
release, called "ocean in the sky". Maybe this is not his latest work.

i have only two of his recordings, and they seemed not available on
CDs. unfortunately, i don't even remember the titles. the only thing
that comes in my mind is one cut, the first cut, called "rain forest",
while another cut called "fly" on the other album. they are all
excellent albums, with steve swallow, bob moses backed on one of them.

i feels that steve's music not influenced much by the blues or black
music, rather he developed his own style based on the european mainstream.
should we call his music jazz?

please provide any info relating to steve kuhn. thank in advance.


chien-ming kuo
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From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Re: Whateverhappenedto...Gato Barbieri?
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:22:58 GMT

sjg@kepler.unh.edu (Stephen J Guerra) writes:
> Let me say this about GAto Barbeiarie(or however you spell it)..
>
>Mr B.. First of all is not a main influence on Saxophonists today..Far from it.
>As a young saxophonist i try to stay away from a lot of the cr*p that is out there..
>And i will tell you that he is definateley a lot of that crap out there today.
>Besides Being very over-showy, he plays with no excitement.

I am willing to respect your opinion if you have actually heard Gato in
concert.   However, your low opinion of him leads me to suspect otherwise.
As I said before, I too was not expecting much (silly me). But, man, that was
some torrid show I witnessed in Montreal in '84.
--
                                   * * *
Gord McGonigal                                  mcgonig@eeserv.ee.UManitoba.ca
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
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From: burger@sphinx.ece.wisc.edu (Dick Burger)
Subject: Re: Coltrane Recordings
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:15:56 CST

i really recommend that you pickup "The Gentle Side of John Coltrane".  Its a 
great compilation from the Impulse label.
Dick Burger
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Definitive "Bluesette" recording/vocalist?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:09:18 GMT
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Organization: AT&T

dadoun@cs.ubc.ca (Nou Dadoun) writes:
>> hayward@sfu.ca writes:
>>You know how every now and then you'll hear a great tune that you know  
>>you've heard many times in the past, but you're not sure where or by who?  
>>Well last night I was at a concert where "Bluesette" was featured during  
>>the set, and I've decided that I need to get a good recording of it. And,  
>>if possible, others in a similar style (don't ask me to characterize the  
>>style or the era).

>Hi Michael, the tune itself is by Toots Thielesman (although I've never
>heard a version by him) probably on guitar (rather than harmonica).

Toots did record it in the early-mid 60s, and it got a lot of air play
in NY (on jazz stations) at the time. He whistled and played guitar on
that version; I don't remember him playing harmonica then, but he might
have. He was on the old (4 or 5 years ago) NIGHT MUSIC show once, and
for an encore, he did Bluesette, including a harmonica solo.

There were a lot of covers in the 60s, but I don't think many of those
albums have been reissued. According to the 1992 Bielfelder Katalog,
in Europe there are versions in print by Curtis Fuller (Savoy), Hank
Jones (Black and Blue), Joe Pass (Pablo), Lee Konitz (Limelight),
Louis Stewart (Jardis), Peter Herbolzeimer (Rare Bid), Tito Puente
(Concord), and yes, Toots Theilmans (Polydor). The Theilmans version is
a later version (from the 70s, according to the Katalog). I listed
the labels so you can judge how easy/hard to find these might be in
US; based on this, you should be able to find the Joe Pass and Tito
Puente without too much trouble.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
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From: rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump)
Subject: Re: DB Reader's Poll
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 00:50:29 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>Years ago Downbeat used to have this section where four or five
>critics each presented four of their "current favorite" things -- I
>think it was usually one new release, one old classic, one "rarity"
>and one rececnt live event.  Anyone remembers this?  Too bad they
>stopped.                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, that was a neat idea.  It served two useful purposes:  it provided
useful tips on good things to get (especially the "rarity" choices), and
it provided insights into each reviewer's tastes (which was useful in
evaluating what they said in their regular reviews).

>But I guess that's what we have RMB for...

>--Gidi
-- 
Roger W. Stump
University at Albany
rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: The best rhythm changes improvisations?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:59:25 GMT
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: I'm prepairing a study on the analysis of jazz improvisations. At this
: point I've decided to restrict my considerations to rhythm changes tunes.
: I would be interested in knowing which rhythm changes improvisations are
: the best in your opinion.

Interesting concept!  One of my favorites is Wynton and Branford you-know-who
trading choruses, sixteens, eights, and what have you on Ron Carter's tune
"Hesitation" (also a cool composition!) on Wynton's first, sefl-titled album
on Columbia.  They weave in, around, and outside the changes as one almost
never hears anyone do on rhythm changes, and really sound like brothers, for
whatever that is worth.

--
Amendment 2 - Shame On You, Colorado
--
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marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
a disgusted resident of the first state in history of the union
to enact a constitutional amendment that explicitly legalizes discrimination
against a particular minority
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
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From: lenny@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Lenny Silver)
Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:57:12 GMT

I've seen this magazine mentioned here a lot, never seen a copy, anyone
have an address I might write to for a sample copy, or be willing to
send me an old one?

thanks
Lenny
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:08:52 GMT

rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>I've only seen two issues of Cadence in my life.  One was shown to me by my
>guitarist because there was a review of our albums in it, the other I saw in a
>library the other day.   The most amazing part (to me) was the records for
>sale in the middle, stuff from labels I *never* see in stores.  But as a $25 a
>year record catalog, it's a bit expensive.  Any regular subscribers out there
>want to talk about it as a *magazine*?  Worth the investment?

What other magazine reviewed your album?

The point is that Cadence is a great magazine for reviews of jazz/improvised
music that is not highly commercial, that doesn't get covered by downbeat,
Jazz Times, Jazziznt (excuse me, Jazziz :-) ). There are also great
interviews, and the purpose of the interview is NOT to plug the artist's
latest release. If I could only get one US jazz magazine, this would be it.

Buy it for the reviews, interviews, etc. Then when you read a review of
something that sounds great, but you can't find anywhere, look in the
center sale section--that's exactly how it got started, to help people find
the obscure things they were reviewing.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Noble Watts - Return Of The Thin Man
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:21:17 GMT

Are there any Noble Watts listners out there ? I 've got 
'Return Of The Thin Man'. I've enjoyed it thoroughly, as its
one of the very few 'Jump Jazz' / 'Jump Blues' featuring 
tenor sax I can find. Is anyone aware of other CDs that Noble 
Watts has done along the same style? Could you perhaps recommend 
JUMP JAZZ / JUMP BLUES style CDs featuring other TENOR SAXOPHONE 
(I know there's tons of alto stuff out there) players.

(IMHO, I would descibe JUMP JAZZ or JUMP BLUES as a style of 
12 bar blues that incorporates a mixture of the playing styles
of Delta Blues, Motown and Bebop into a single style.)

Any suggestions to the above questions would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.

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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Coltrane Recordings
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:10:47 GMT

marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
>Ray J Cornwall (cornwall@bach.udel.edu) wrote:
>: I also am interested in which Coltrane recordings are good. I've just
>: recently started listening to jazz, and am currently enjoying Coltrane
>: and Davis. I've got Coltrane's Giant Steps, Blue Train, My Favorite
>: Things, Village Vanguard, Birdland, and A Love Supreme. I had Om, but
>: hated it and sold it back...
>
>Slightly, and I think yours is easier.  Simply look at the recording date for
>"A Love Supreme" and buy anything of Trane's before that date.  The Impulse
>recordings will mostly sound like the latter four you mention, and the others
>will mostly sound like the first two.  Everything after "A Love Supreme" will
>sound like "Om".  These are terrible oversimplifications, and I'll probably get
>roasted for them, but I think I have some idea where you're coming from.

Not roasted, Marc,--we'll just point out the exceptions to the generalizations.
Assuming Ray does like LOVE SUPREME, he should also try FIRST MEDITATIONS (FOR
QUARTET). To my ears, this sounds like a next step after LOVE SUPREME, but
still staying in the same vein (and I suspect that's why Trane didn't want
it released when he was alive--by the time they might have released it he
was way past that, into "OM" territory). But the later recording MEDITATIONS
(released while Trane was alive) is quite different, and not what Ray is
looking for.

As for selling OM back--I've found that sometimes something that seems too
"far out" for me is just something I haven't learned to appreciate yet.
Listening to more Trane might lead to an understanding of recordings like
"OM," so in the future, you might just put something like that aside for
a while to see if you "grow into it." You might find yourself shopping for
"OM" again some time.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: MILES DAVIS
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:34:07 EST

   Great suggestions so far (although I wouldn't place Seven Steps to 
Heaven among the essentials).  But there were a few major ones missing.  
Don't forget:

Filles De Killimanjaro
In A Silent Way
Bitches Brew
On The Corner (if it's ever reissued)


     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
From: mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Info please:  Horace Silver
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:33:04 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Well, I picked up a really cheap used CD "The Best Of Horace Silver".  
   No surprises, except that there's NO liner info.  The back of the
case says published in 1969 by Liberty Records and distributed by
Applause Records.  
  Tracks are
1.) Senor Blues    2.) The Preacher   3.)  Doodlin'  4.) Sister Sadie
5.) Filthy McNasty   6.) The Tokyo Blues

   Does anyone have any idea who the backups for Silver would have been
back then?  Actually the group goes together too well to stick them with
a name like back-ups, but you get the picture.  Also, did Silver write
each of these?
   Thanks,  -mike

-- 
There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist:
  the fashionable non-conformist.   -ayn rand
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Distribution: na
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:25:20


> mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo) writes:

> BTW, this was initially issued as three separate LP volumes called LES
> NUITS DE LA FONDATION MAEGHT, on a French label (BYG?) These are very
> rare and worth a lot of money. They are also to be distinguished from
> two Sun Ra albums of the same name, recorded either the same year, or
> another, but of the same festival.

Hmm, I recall the French version being SECOND ACT OF A on the Shandar
label. Here's what recdb sez:

Taylor, Cecil                                             Prestige P-34003 (LP)
Title: The Great Concert Of Cecil Taylor                                       
Recorded: 7/29/1969 at Saint Paul de Vence, Paris, France.                     
Released: 1977
With: Cecil Taylor (leader), piano, voice (voice on Side 4 only.)              
      Sam Rivers, soprano sax, tenor sax                                       
      Jimmy Lyons, tenor sax                                                   
      Andrew Cyrille, drums                                                    
Contents: 1) Second Act of A (Part 1)                                  ( 21:17)
          2) Second Act of A (Part 2)                                  ( 20:51)
          3) Second Act of A (Part 3)                                  ( 18:08)
          4) Second Act of A (Part 4)                                  ( 16:11)
          5) Second Act of A (Part 5)                                  ( 12:45)
          6) Second Act of A (Part 6) - encore                         ( 20:38)
          Total:                                                       (109:50)
Purchased: 1991
Comments: notes by Gary Giddins. also released as Second Act of A, Vol. 1,2,3  
          (Shandar) in France.                                                 
 
--
smehta@nynexst.com
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        "This space of time is organized. We need not fear these
	 silences, -- we may love them." -- John Cage, Silences, 1961.
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Current Contents -- CODA Magazine (Nov/Dec 92)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:01:14 GMT
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
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Gordon McGonigal (mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: 
: * Jazz Video Update by Scott Yanow  (including John Carter/Bobby Bradford:
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
:   The New Music, and Jackie McLean on Mars.  Jazz in Exile, a portrait of
:   "expatriate American musicians" sounds good too.)

Just curious, are there any magazines this guy does *not* write for?

How can I get a gig like his?

--
Amendment 2 - Shame On You, Colorado
--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
a disgusted resident of the first state in history of the union
to enact a constitutional amendment that explicitly legalizes discrimination
against a particular minority
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
From: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:05:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.BxKwDs.C5o
Organization: Rice University

rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
> sale in the middle, stuff from labels I *never* see in stores.  But as a $25 a
> year record catalog, it's a bit expensive.  Any regular subscribers out there
> want to talk about it as a *magazine*?  Worth the investment?

Yeah. Buttloads of reviews (though they are always several months behind)
that point me to stuff I wouldn't've noticed otherwise. For instance - any
given Splasc(h) release, Sean Bergin's KIDS MYSTERIES on Nimbus are two
examples for me. Some decent interviews. And the oh-so-abso-freaking-lutely-
essential catalog. Worth the $25, I think.
-- 
| Vincent Kargatis		     |	Dept. of Space Physics & Astronomy |
| vek@spacsun.rice.edu		     |	Rice University, Houston, TX       |
| "It will have to be transmogrified many times before it can present its  |
|  credentials to the Valhalla of music."  -    _The Etude_ on jazz, 1924  |
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From: reavie@bldghsc.lan1.umanitoba.ca (Keir Reavie)
Subject: What's happening in Chicago?
Organization: university of Manitoba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:41:48 GMT

I'll be in Chicago November 27-29 and I'd like to know what's happening in 
the jazz scene that weekend, or if there are any clubs I should definitely 
check out.

Feel free to respond to me directly. Thanks.

Keir Reavie
reavie@bldghsc.lan1.umanitoba.ca
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From: ph14@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Pei Hsieh)
Subject: Bill Evans -- documentaries, writings, bios
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:37:36 GMT

Does anyone know of any documentaries, biographies, or writings
by or about Bill Evans?  I am especially interested in Bill Evans
the intellectual, his philosophies, etc., but anecdotal info
about his life in NYC, college years at Southern Louisiana State,
childhood in NJ, or anything like that would also be of great
interest. 

Also, has anyone listened to the CD-set of his complete Riverside 
recordings?  I've been loathe to buy any more single Riverside CDs
b/c I think I might just take the plunge, not eat for a couple
weeks and buy the set, but any and all input would be very much
appreciated.

From: jordan@mothra.rose.hp.com (Jordan Levin)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:10:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Favourite Fusion Album of All......
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
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Try "The Best of Return to Forever" and "8:30" by Weather Report. For 
something newer, try "Que Allegria" [sp?] by John McLaughlin [sp, again?].
Stanley Clarke, John Scofield (before 1988), and Al DiMeola are also good
bets.


Jordan
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From: ken_blackman@gateway.qm.apple.com (Ken Blackman)
Subject: Re: Favourite Fusion Album of All......
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:58:20 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc

My favs:

-The Yellow Jackets' very first album (IMHO everything after that was
just a long transition to the sound they finally acheived on "Greenhouse")

-Jeff Lorber, Galaxian (I think that's the one)

-RTF's Romantic Warrier
From: phillijg@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jason G Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: GRP recordings
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: phillijg@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jason G Phillips)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130c10.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


	All this discussion of good recordings on GRP and I have yet to  
see any mention of the GRP All Star Big Band.  I have found this to be my  
favorite GRP recording.


				Hooters
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: "Shakil's Warrior"?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:06:59 GMT

jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori) writes:
>I can't find "Shakil's Warrior" and wonder if anyone knows
>anything about this release.

It's a fairly recent David Murray release on DIW/Columbia.  Should
be not-too-hard to find.

The organ grinder on that album is the one, the only, the wonderful
Don Pullen.  (People always compare his piano "clusters" to Cecil
Taylor but I think it's got more to do with palying it like an organ.)
Guitar by Stanley Franks, he of the Hieroglyphics Ensemble.

I just had a chance to hear two tracks from this album recently
(thanks again, Alan) and it's as great as you'd expect it to be.  The
"Song From The Old Country", which was also on the Pullen-Adams
BREAKTHROUGH, will rip your heart out from your chest.  I mean this
as a compliment.


--Gidi
From: arb@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Andrew Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: don't look now
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:35:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <BxCuu1.D3v@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:
>Bravo has been airing the BBC production BIRDLAND.  Last week featured
>Steve Coleman.  This week, they had the other Coleman.  Yeah, Ornette.

I really enjoyed Ornette's "Spelling the Alphabet" but I can't find it on
any CDs around here.  Can anyone tell me which (if any) album it is on, and
suggest some other albums of similar music for a newcomer like me?

Thanks,

Andrew.
-- 
arb@comp.lancs.ac.uk
From: ujeffo@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Behl)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Oscar Peterson
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:34:41 GMT

Hey, I'
(oops) m in need of Oscar Petersons's tour schedule if anyone out
there has it.  Please email it as I don't monitor this group that
much.  Thanks a lot!
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