From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Why the "argument from Nature" matters
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:57:34 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa

In article <1ihlbiINNcq1@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
> gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
> > The most fundamental and pervasive *intellectual* reason why Western
> > civilization regarded homosexuality as evil in the first place stemmed
> > from the idea that it was unnatural, and the reason it was thought to
> > be unnatural was that animals were thought to seldom or never engage
> > in homosexual behavior.
 
> I didn't think of it as "unnatural" because "animals don't do it".  
> Animals do lots of things that would be 'inappropriate' for people; 
> if a male co-worker started humping my leg, for example...;-).
> It's more a matter of how the cycle of life works in nature; sex 
> is the veichle that keeps the cycle of life going.  It is an instinctive, 
> "natural" part of nature.  

Here is a classic example of a term with multiple meanings.

human beings who have a homosexual nature, that is to whom homosexual 
behavior is natural, exist in every race, every culture, and all
genders throughout the ages. In this sense homosexual behavior is 
*natural* for those individuals.

human beings who have a heterosexual nature, that is to whom heterosexual 
behavior is natural, exist in every race, every culture, and all
genders throughout the ages. In this sense heterosexual behavior is 
*natural* for those individuals.


Homosexual behavior is exhibited in some portion of all mammal species but
not all, clearly it is a natural phenomenon, and has a purpose in the natural 
scheme of things.

Heterosexual behavior is exhibited in some portion of all mammal species but
not all, clearly it is a natural phenomenon, and has a purpose in the natural 
scheme of things.

Sex is a technology by which the reproduction of the species is
accomplished, but sex is also other things besides this.

You may be surprised to know that many queers have the same desires to
reproduce the species as their strayt peers. I believe that the 
*need to breed* is a component of the action of testosterone on human
consciousness, and independent of sexual orientation.

If sex was just for reproduction we would have nice tight estrus cycles
and guaranteed impregnation like cats and rabbits.
But sex has a social function besides its reproductive one.

When you say homosexual behavior is unnatural, you honestly reflect
your nature. When I say homosexual behavior is natural, I honestly
reflect my nature. 
Is it so hard to just understand these concepts of the relative nature
of sex and orientation?

Queers are not out to get your children and convert them to a homosexual
lifestyle. I have had some sexual experiences with strayt friends who
were curious about what its like. Mny adolescent boys experiment
with each other. But if the nature to enjoy the experience isn't there
the individual just won't pursue the matter beyond the curiosity level.

by arguing that homosexuality would be rampant if kept unchecked, or
freely disscussed, you reveal fear that there is some great advantage
to homosexuality that it can turn strayt people into queers.
It reveals fear that a beastly nature lurks beneath the surface, ready to 
take the individuals will away and replace it with something that is
undesireable but irresistable.

Its just not that way!
You have nothing to fear from us.


LUX ./. owen

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[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
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