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From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:12:26 GMT
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In article <101698@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>In article <69332@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes
>[about a recent French sexuality survey of 20,000+ people]:
>
>>... 30% of men had anal intercourse ...
>
>>Remember folks, we're talking sexual preference, not just men who
>>don't mind getting jerked off or otherwise for an occasioanal whoopie.
>
>The fact remains that 30% of the men reported being passive in anal
>intercourse at least once, but only 4% of the men reported engaging in
>gay sex at least once.
>
>Doesn't this strike anyone as just a wee bit strange?

Maybe they figured, as long as they haven't kissed another guy,
they haven't had gay sex.  You know the type:  "Straight white
male seeks other males for good times.  Must be discreet."

As for Arthur T. Hu, he certainly loves to evaluate statistics,
but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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                                               Oracle Corporation
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From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Going to Colorado????WAHHHHHHHH
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:14:49 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Well, I'm at a loss.  My partner and I were going to go to 
CO for a quick vacation next month to visit friends who live 
there, but now with all the CO2 being breathed there, we aren't
sure what to do.  We both have a lot of friends there, and would
like to be able to visit on occasion, but with CO2, it's just
impossible.  WE've talked about still going and bringing gas in 
containers (proper ones of course) and only eating in lesbigay 
owned restraunts/establishments, thus supporting the lesbigay
communities but not the evil ones, but what about how the 
communities end up spending moey that ends up in the evil ones'
pockets?  How do we resolve this.  It's not just a case of don't
go.  Too many people we care about there.  Sigh.  dilema.  ANy
suggestions people?  

Flapjack
"If the world's my oyster, why am I allergic to Mollusks?"?

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:47:02 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Nov13.005035.5258@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:


>Also regularly seen at Golds Hollywood: Jeff Goldbloom, Jody Foster, Fred
>Savage, his TV brother (?), Fabio (dont ask), some heavy metal musician that
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I would never recognize, and lots of gay porn "actors".  (Once I counted
>8 on the floor at once, mostly from Zeus and Falcon.)

The TV brother is Jason Hervey, who I saw at a few 'family bars' around
Atlanta when he was in town last year filming a (TV?) movie.

He was always in the company of several other males and females, so it
was _really_ unclear whether they just wanted to dance (because the music
in the straight bars here _SUCKS_) or if they were doing a little window
shopping.

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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mouse Balls
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:55:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45549
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <mattm-091192122948@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>[do you really believe this incredibly old joke?]

Am I really so old as to be able to say that I heard that joke in the
first half of my time on this planet?  Or is that joke just that old?

I do hope you didn't think there was any truth in it (or even that
it comes from originally inside old blue - cuz it don't).  But then,
you've never been accused of being in the cultural elite, have you?

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:59:40 GMT

In article <CORWIN+.92Nov11123735@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU> corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
>And it is homophobia for the Drama Department to be
>sending the message to its students that their sexual orientation is
>something to be hidden.

How someone pronounces their "s"es has little to do with sexual orientation,
and working on that or other effeminate mannerisms has nothing to do with
"hiding" a sexual orientation.  Sorry, you'll get no sympathy from me there.

I'll ask this again (you seem to be expert at avoiding this direct question):
Was this a witchhunt against all gay people?  It doesn't sound to be so on
the facts of what you're stating, but you seem determined to paint it that
way nonetheless.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:54:46 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov7.004904.29643@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
writes:
|> In article <1992Nov6.203022.22584@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu
|> (Shawn Hicks) writes:
|> >The Triangle works.  It's simple.  It's pink.
|> 
|> yeah, but it looks awful against typical white-person skin.

Get one on a black-circle background.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:30:26 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
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From the keyboard of gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand):
:tc> Amendment 2 *did* legislate a particular morality.  Can't you see that?
:
:  As do the ordinances of Denver, Boulder, and Aspen. Can't you see that? Why
:  not leave personal moral beliefs where they are, personal, instead of making
:  some views illegal, like the above three ordinances did?

Let's say that my personal moral belief is to hire only white married
men who go to my church.  I have 1,000 employees.  I categorically
reject anyone who doesn't meet these criteria.  Or let's say I have a
housing project and do the same thing.  

I don't think this should be permitted, and the courts have consistently
ruled against it.  But you seem to like it.

Shall we then go back to black and white bathrooms and all that entails?

--tom
-- 
Wherever, therefore, it has been established that it is shameful to be
involved in homosexual relationships, this is due to evil on the part of
the legislators, to despotism on the part of the rulers, and to
cowardice on the part of the governed. -- Plato, "Symposium"
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Colorado Boycott
Keywords: PLEASE don't forget Coors!
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:10:13 GMT
Distribution: soc

Like many other posters, I am embarrased to be a Coloradan at this time.
While I and most of my friends voted against Amendment 2, it wasn't
enough.  Now comes the dirty business of getting it overthrown.

There have been many postings suggesting potential targets for boycotts.
I'd just like to make sure we don't forget one of the most prominent
products of Colorado - Coors beer, and the other brands Coors produces
(Keystone, Winterfest, Killians Red, and the non alchoholic  brew
Cutter).

The rational here is that not only is Coors BIG business in Colorado,
but that the head man of Coors, Bill Coors, is one of the most conservative
right wingers I am aware of.  I don't remember his taking a position on
CO 2 but from past positions he has taken I am sure he was pro 2.
I'm frankly surprised that he wasn't actively involved in the issue.

As to some of the suggestions that LGB employers fire their heterosexual
employees, I am saddened to see these postings.  Please, let's don't
turn this into an "us vs. them" battle.  That's exactly what the
right wing religious fascists that sponsored amendment 2 want.  They'd
be very happy to have additional reasons to denigrate gays.  Now is
the time to build more bridges, not to create chasms.

Incidentally, I spoke briefly with a friend who attended the post
election day meeting between members of the gay community and
such dignitaries as Gov. Romer, Mayor Webb and Congresswoman Schroeder.
He is beginning to feel that passage of the amendment may have been
the best thing to happen.  There is much optimism that it can and will
be overturned as being unconstitutional, which would nullify any future
efforts to try again.  Unless the amendment had failed BIG time
the sponsors would simply have kept trying intil they were successful,
thus creating further hatred and divisivness.  What is needed now is
a positive attitude and to meet the challenge thrown down.

Replys by email please.

--
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AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Re: Lesbianville on 20/20
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 12:50:32 GMT


In article <1992Nov7.104910.2149@netcom.com>
cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:

>IMHO, Gender inequity, sexism, women's health, and the like are not just
>"women's interests," they are matters of concern to both men and
>women.

I think so too.

>I think the problem is *not* men posting about issues related to
>gender inequity, women's health, and a variety of other "women's"
>issues, but a lack of sensitivity when women respond to such posts by
>saying "that has not been my experience."

My instant reaction to this was, "How much is that
happening, really?" whereupon I wonder if I'm missing it
because I'm just not alert.  I guess the future will tell.

>For men not to talk about "women's issues," or for whites not to talk
>about "people of color" issues too often seems to me to be a way for
>people to avoid painful confrontations about their own sexism and/or
>racism. After all, if you don't bring it up, people can't call you on
>it. Or so the logic goes, on an unconscious level.

As detailed in an earlier posting, I think it helps us all
when we can push ourselves far enough out on the limb to be
seen as we are.  Most people are pretty forgiving, most of
the time, I think.  And I think most people don't mind
showing others the way (as best they can), as long as the
person shows some initiative and has done at least a little
work on their own.

>Identity politics is a big and conflicting issue for me, and pushes a
>lot of my buttons, so I'll stop here. 

I don't know for sure what you mean by "identity politics."

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From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ""The Hidden Sailor""
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:54:21 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <4NOV92.18181726@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
>prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
>Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold

Single, Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie hangs out with the homeless LegoLand
people by the PlayDoh Factory.  That's because "only happy, smiling people
live in LegoLand."


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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: CO2 and the military ban
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:00:25 GMT

If Clinton lifts the ban, will CO2 make it unconstitutional
in the state of Colorado for the ban to be lifted?

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Black Bear T-shirt (bears have more rights...)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:46:28 EST

can someone please send me (e-mail) an adress for the t-shirt...
thanks!

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From: glenns@tronsbox.xei.com (Glenn S.)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.213641.18545@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>>>does anyone else hate this
>>["P" Robertson]
>>>dude as much as i do?
>>Gee, I don't know, I think he's kind of cute.
>
>Me too.  I'd really like to fuck his tight ass.  Of course, I'd have
>to give him a chainsaw enema first.
>
Gee, oh-roommate-of-mine... you're *far* too kind.. :}
 
Personally, I'd rather see him enjoy a nice HCl (oh, maybe 35% solution) enema.
I'd like to see him *squirm*!
 
Ooh!  Or, better yet... cover him with honey, and stake him outside of a
red ant nest..... :}
 
B*B
Glenn


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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:53:58 GMT

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>am i a stereotypical dyke yet?

Do you:

	o Hate men?
	o Own an icepick?
	o Have a strap-on to intimidate poor defenseless straight
	  women with?
	(big fat smileys all over the place)

>p.s. i ahve a picture to put in the motsspix archive, but not the
>address to send it to.  could some kind person (bracing myself for a
>flood of mail) send me the address?

I hope Katy's in the photo, too...

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 13:02:38 EDT
Reply-To: ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>
> Seems to me that all LGB employers in Colorado should
> dismiss their heterosexual employees forthwith.
> --
*chuckle*  i've always wanted to do that.  either that or run a
business and ask specifically if teh applicant is GLB, and say, if they
answer no, "sorry, i am only looking for non-hetersexuals."  *grin*  in
all seriousness, i'm WAY too soft-hearted to turn down someone who
needs a job for any other than work-related reasons, but it's a neat
thought...

                                             -ailsa

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
                                                        ________
I don't care what consequence it brings,        Silence \      / Action
I have been a fool for lesser things.              =     \    /    =
                                                 Death    \  /    Life
                                                           \/
From: king@meaddata.com (Mike King)
Subject: Homsexuals rasing children(question)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:53:44 GMT
Distribution: na

I consider myself pretty open minded.  I have known many homosexuals
and have never had a problem.  My motto is pretty much live and let
live.  But I'm a little concerned about the notion of homosexuals
raising children(i.e. same gender parents).  I was wondering if
somebody could provide me with information that could remove my concerns.

Do homosexual relationships have the long-term stability necessary to
raise children?

Are "children" of homosexual parents ostrisized by the other children?
If so, how do the parents deal with it?

Do the "children" grow up normal?  And no, by normal I don't mean
heterosexual.  In other words, do they have any emotional problems or
problems with relationships?

No joke, these are sincere questions.  I was hoping somebody/anybody
could give me some answers to them.  Thanks.

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From: kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen)
Subject: Jesus and Lazarus
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:39:21 GMT

I heard that in soc.motss was given out a story of an archaelogist early in this century discovering
a supressed version of one of the synoptic gospels.  In this version,
Lazarus was seen at night leaving Jesus's room wearing only an
undergarment.  If anybody knows this story or have it, would you please email
it to me. I'm a professional writer and I'm gathering material for my next
novel.
Thank you.

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                  * Helsinki - SF *
 
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From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: What to do about Colorado
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:50:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.034417.26763@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.224144.14823@ncselxsi.uucp> fisher@ncselxsi.uucp
>(Chuck Fisher) writes, pondering Measure 9's defeat in Oregon but
>Measure 2's success in Colorado:
>
>>It looks like a lot of folks got mobilized in Oregon.  I'm afraid
>>Colorado has some catching up to do.
>
>It's very easy for folks to blame Colorado activists for the defeat,
>to start saying "where were you?" or "I told you so" or "why didn't
>you do more?".

I wasn't blaming Colorado activists for the defeat.  I do think that
folks there need to get organized like they have in Oregon in order to
become more effective.  Perhaps they actually are mobilized, although
the articles here and in the press didn't indicate the same level of
activity.  There really hasn't been enough information available to
tell if the TVC ran a slick campaign, or there was not an effective
counter-campaign, or if the voters didn't understand what they were
voting for, or a combination of factors.  I was lulled into the
incorrect belief prior to the election that #2 would go down into
defeat.

Chuck
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From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: Gay Wealth (was: My Letter to Colorado)
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:43:05 GMT

This statistic (gays make $55k per year) was one of the big arguments
used by the CFV-ers in the Colorado campaign.  Just FYI.

--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
------------------- Hatred and Bigotry are immoral ---------------------------
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From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: Colorado
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.234222.23279@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>Or, better yet, move to Nevada.  We have a total state population
>of around 1.2 million people.
>
>Imagine, a state with a Queer Majority....  

Since I have a second home in Truckee, I get to Reno a dozen times a
year.  My feeling in talking to a number of lesbians and gays that
Nevada is still very conservative--"sodomy" is still illegal.  Instead
of waiting for a new governor, why not work on Frankie Sue Del Pappa,
the current Attorney General?  Many Nevadans feel forced to stay in
the closet, something their neighbors in California are not so want to
do.

Chuck
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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:07:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.BxB6Fq.7C4
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
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Jake Coughlin (jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams):
> >>>>What about Jack Kemp?
> >>Was he finally outed for real?
> >
> > I meant that if he does run for Prez in '96 he will
> > undoubtedly be outed.
> 
> darling, if he does run for Prez in '96, he will
> undoubtedly get married.
> -- 
Maybe it'll be hard for him to find a bride after he's
been thoroughly outed??  

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
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