From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: More words being stuffed in my mouth (formerly: tell me more...)
Organization: Liebe Company
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:27:00 GMT

judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- not the mamma!  not the mamma!) writes:

>From the Gospel of: <1992Apr12.183508.15448@liebe.uucp>
>According to:       kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)

>>>  = me (Jay), replying to:  IO20371@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (John 1:42)

>>>My position needs no rationalization, thank you.  It is the only conclusion
>>>consistent with my belief system.  And before you flame my belief system, 
>>>I would remind you that there are pro-chocie Christians, and they might
>>>take exception to your comments.
>>
>>I would like any of the previously referenced "pro-chocie Christians" to 
>>start reading your Bible.  There are wonderful insights as to God's Pro-Life
>>stance.

>Don't call it *my* Bible, please.  I'm not a Christian.  If you want to
>argue over what the Bible says, do it with someone who agrees that
>said Bible has any authority over them.

That was a mistake.  The line should have read "..to start reading their...".
Sorry for the confusion.

>>>As for the rest of your statement, I am fully aware of what is killed during
>>>an abortion.  Are you aware of the woman whom you would force to be a host?
>>
>>Why are women given ZERO responsibility for their actions?  Since a woman's
>>body is your issue then why not tell women to quit letting men exploit them?
>>I get tired of the "everybody's a victim" attitude of society.  Sometimes it
>>appears that all minorities assume that ALL their problems are someones elses
>>fault (ie. generally males, usually white males).  

>Excuse me, Kevin, but I did not use the word victim, nor did I imply
>that I think "everybody's a victim," nor did I say anything about blaming
>problems on everybody else.  Stop putting words in my mouth.

The quotes were not meant to imply you had made that statement.  Maybe I
should have put "...of the Everbody's a Victim attitude..."?  The 
conclusion stated therein still stands.

>Incidentally, having an abortion is a way to deal responsibly with a
>pregnancy.  I know you disagree with that, but I say it only so you
>won't think that I *really* believe women are "given zero responsibility
>for their actions."

Of course it is a way to deal with pregnancy, but I can see no way of
rationalizing responsibility to it.

>As for your advice, about advising women not to let men exploit them, I DO -
>in that I advise my female aquaintances not to get involved with a man who
>would force them to stay pregnant against their will.  Not a victim
>attitude, just plain preventive maintenance.

Gee, sounds like you're advocating abortion as birth control.  Why not 
"advise" (oh wise one) woman not to be put into a position where abortion
is considered an option.

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