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From: isjrc@dcatla.uucp (John R. Caruso)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Overbite ---> othodontal work! Breeder's fault????
Date: 22 Sep 92 12:15:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Communications Associates, Alpharetta, GA


	In May of this year we purchased a 3 mo GSD from a breeder.
	At that time the breeder said that the dog had a slight overbite
	and that it would not cause any problems. Not having
	seen this problem before, I could not make any determination as
	to its severity.

	Yesterday we had the dog neutered and when my wife picked up the
	dog from the vet today, he said that the overbite was severe and
	the dog would need orthodontal work because the lower teeth were
	misaligned and punching holes in the roof of his mouth. Inspection
	of the dog's mouth reveals this to be true.

	We paid $400 for the dog and did not have any plans, obviously,
	to show him or breed him. What we did expect was a healthy dog
	with a good temperament	and believed, as the breeder said, 
	that this dog would not have any problems from his overbite. 
	Ironically, the dog has turned out to be an alpha-type dog, a
	situation I have posted about here previously in terms of jumping
	up and mouthing, and these alpha characteristics have made this
	anatomical problem even more frustrating. 

	My question is, are we entitled to any compensation from the breeder
	in terms of the price paid or reimbursement for dental work?

	Posts or email are most welcome. Thanks in advance for any thoughts
	on the problem.

John Caruso
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Dober Goofs
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:08:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.142933.9834@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor) writes:
>In article <16871E607.MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu> MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu writes:
>>  It took my Dobe a long time to teach me that she
>>doesn't work outside on hot days.  At one match she jumped
>>the high jump for the retrieve then ran and laid under the
>>stewards table.  She has also walked out for the flat
>>retrieve and laid down with her dumbbell between her front
>>feet.  I also enjoyed the recall where she sits with her
>>nose almost touching the ground (vulture style) then walks
>>oh so slowly in ignoring the drop.
> 
>Must be a Dobe thing. :-)  I remember reading an account of a
>Dobe in an obedience trial.  Came time for the long down, and
>as soon as the owner was out of sight, the dog crawled (never
>quite getting up from the down position, you'll notice) over
>to some shade.  Just before it was time for the owner to return,
>she(?) crawled back to the exact spot where she belonged.
>

  :-)

Can I pervert this thread to include other breeds?  My favorite
"How to NQ" story was the one about the large breed dog who retrieved
the bar jump instead of jumping it....  Unfortunately I only READ this
and didn't get to see it....

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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dogs in Europe
Date: 25 Sep 92 08:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: sjbury@bubbles.rice.edu
Keywords: Shutzhund, Dog Food, Behavior

SJB>I just had the good fortune of spending some time in Germany and Austria,
SJB>and I'd like to make some observations about the following:

SJB>1) World Shutzhund Championships for GSDs
SJB>2) european Dog Food
SJB>3) Dogs in public

SJB>1) I was able to see some of the World Championships for GSDs.  Some US dog
SJB>were in contention for the top honors.  All the competitive dogs I saw
SJB>(about 25) were medium size shepherds at about 65-85 lbs.  Hard to judge fr

SJB>distance, but there weren't any HUGE >100lbs GSDs competing.  The dogs
SJB>were magnificent.

SJB>2)  Some of the dry European dog food looks like muselix with meat chunks.
SJB>fact they will very proudly show you all the grain and vegetables that go i
SJB>their food.  It is very different than Alpo.  The only US food I saw on dis

SJB>was Nature's Recipe.

SJB>3) Dogs seem to go everywhere with their masters.   Bars, resturants, the p
SJB>and even hotels (50DM/night was common at most hotels I was at).  Big dogs
SJB>little dogs, but all were very well behaved.  Of course the other people se

SJB>to ignore them.  The most amazing thing I saw was in Passau, Bavaria; A wom
SJB>just let her big Rottie off lead and he romped around in the very crowed pa
SJB>No one seemed to care. Here in Houston people would run away screaming. Of
SJB>course there was the Dobie sitting alertly in the Wurzburg resturant while
SJB>masters ate dinner. Quite a sight.

I have some friends who have traveled Europe and they have the same
stories to tell. She once told me that she thought dogs were more
accepted in places than kids! I wish the US had more of this attitude
concerning dogs, instead were stuck with the ARA'S trying to ban pets
from the face of the earth.
Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: Dober Goofs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:29:33 GMT

In article <16871E607.MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu> MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu writes:
>  It took my Dobe a long time to teach me that she
>doesn't work outside on hot days.  At one match she jumped
>the high jump for the retrieve then ran and laid under the
>stewards table.  She has also walked out for the flat
>retrieve and laid down with her dumbbell between her front
>feet.  I also enjoyed the recall where she sits with her
>nose almost touching the ground (vulture style) then walks
>oh so slowly in ignoring the drop.
 
Must be a Dobe thing. :-)  I remember reading an account of a
Dobe in an obedience trial.  Came time for the long down, and
as soon as the owner was out of sight, the dog crawled (never
quite getting up from the down position, you'll notice) over
to some shade.  Just before it was time for the owner to return,
she(?) crawled back to the exact spot where she belonged.

Then there was the one who jumped up and ran after its owner,
and swatted the owner on the rump. :-)  They said they could
always tell when that dog was having one of "those" days, and
were just waiting to see what it would do.

Nope, I didn't make these up, really!  I think they may have been
in _The New Doberman Pinscher_ (Walker), which I highly recommend.
BTW, this sort of thing is *not* typical!  Dobes is general make
great obedience dogs.  Some of them just have, well, a distinct
personality...

Roberta
...and the Original DoberGoofs(tm)  :-)
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help with neighbor!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:03:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <seale.718291088@bcserv>, seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff)) writes...
>We had an incident with one of our neighbors last evening and
>need help/advice. We have two male Afghan Hounds ages 2 and 1 1/2.
>We recently moved to St. Louis where the only house we could rent
>has a nice large yard but only a four foot fence. We have gotten 
>along nicely with the neighbors so far. As a result of only having 
>a four foot fence we have had to keep our dogs on a 15 foot lead while
>we are not at home. The younger one has already jumped the fence. At any rate
>a couple of weeks ago the teenage neighbor boys threw a kitten in our
>backyard. I saw them and asked them not to do it again. The neighbor
>made his son apologize and all was forgotten. Yesterday upon returning 
>home, we found that the same kids had thrown green tomatoes at our dogs
>because they were barking. My wife went to ask the neighbor about it and he
>proceded to curse at her. He threatened to call the Humane society
>because they were kept on there leads during the time we weren't at
>home. He then said he would call our landlord(the same as his) and have
>us thrown out. He then said the next time he would just get his shotgun
>and shoot them. We don't like keeping them on leads during the day. 
>However, we can't afford an invisible fence right now. Our dogs only
>bark at strangers or when they are being provoked(a quality I would like
>for them to keep). He also complained that they never had any food or
>water. They are fed at night(the only time they'll eat) and they have free  
>access to water, unless they tyurn it over. What would the Humane society
>say about the leads? How long should they be? These dogs get plenty of
>exercise during the evenings and are treated better than most children.
>We are really quite stressed about this whole thing and would appreciate
>any advice. Post or email to jeff@grserv.wustl.edu  
>Thanks,
>   Jeff (Sorry this got so long!)
> 

Call the police! When someone threatens to shoot you or your animals, that
is the time to contact the police. Don't wait until he actually does it. Then
look around for another place to live where there is an adequate fence or 
where you can erect one. 

I wouldn't worry too much about leaving the dogs staked out with long leads.
As long as they can't reach the fence or each other with the leads on it should
be fairly safe. However, having neighbor kids taunting them in your absence
would be my greatest worry. That's a good way to end up with a mean dog.


Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
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From: oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann)
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:26:25 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Oct1.213105.16082@newshost.lanl.gov> srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.121227.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>And I hadn't realized Mals don't bark, they say "Woo-	
>>woo."  Is this really true?  I'm going to have to listen more closely at the 	
>>next show!
>
>Of course it is!  My Sibs make the same sound.  Where do you think I got the
>name for my kennel???? :-)

Most of the time our Samoyed barks, but he woo-woos too.  Is this maybe a
characteristic of all Northern breeds ? 

Ritual disclaimer : My opinion and mine alone !  Convex, as best I can tell,
doesn't have opinions, being a corporate entity...
Carla Oexmann        {allegra, sun, harvard, uiucdcs, ctvax}!convex!oexmann
Convex Computer Corp.  3000 Waterview Parkway P.O. Box 833851 Richardson, TX
From: steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Stopping biting
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:15:44 MDT

In article <2AC6217E.12186@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
> Different things work with different dogs.  In my case, my puppy
> regarded anything physical: chin grabs, stuffing hands down mouth,
> etc, FUN and part of the GAME.  What worked, in less than a week, was
> one "OUCH" and leaving her alone (i.e., stopping the fun stimulus).
> It could be as simple as turning your back, standing up out of reach
> or actually walking away.
> 
> If your puppy likes to play rough, this may work better than some of
> the other more physical corrections.  Pick what works for your dog!
> 
> Cindy Tittle Moore

I have to agree with Cindy 100%.  Our Golden puppy was exactly the same. 
Everything was fun.  Saying "No Biting" and walking away works (she still
forgets herself) the best for her.

But its SO hard to walk away from a puppy.
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From: mw6c@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (May  Wang)
Subject: pitbulls
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:01:46 GMT

I need information about pitbulls, their origin, their
behavior, or anything else that a future owner needs to know.
I'm interested in this type of dog and boxers.  Also, does
anyone know of a breeder for these dogs.  I can't buy and own
one now, but I will in the  very near future.  Thanks

May Wang
Univeristy of Virginia
From: bill@ssr.hp.com (Bill Chidester)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: CANIS, Cologne for dogs
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:40:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Orlando Fl.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]



  How many caught the CANIS commercial on Saturday Night Live?  I
  laughed so hard I fell off the couch...

---------------------
Bill Chidester
bill@c3177208.ssr.hp.com
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:43:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23805
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Krueger writes:
>> Yes, that extends the reach of the humane societies to every
>> reach of the dog world, doesn't it.
>The majority don't go to humane societies.
>They go to your city shelter.

The CRISIS comes from the humane societies - volunteers get very
depressed killing off the dogs, it's not what they had in mind
when they joined up.

For the pound, it's a paid job.  There's no ``dog problem.''
They keep the dog for three days not to adopt it out, but in case
an owner misses it.

If you call it the city shelter, you'll get more dogs turned in
by owners than if you call it the pound.  If you call it a humane
society, you'll get LOTS more dogs turned in.

Let's do a diffential equation.   What the humane society workers
would like is that every dog gets adopted, which means not that
they have LOTS of storage space but that the demand for unwanted
dogs equals the demand to get rid of unwanted dogs, so outgo
equals inflow.

The inflow term doesn't depend on the supply of dogs but the willingness
of owners to give their problem dog up, which is greatly multiplied by
the kindly image the ``humane society'' likes to publicize.
The local humane society has a hand-lettered sign in the lobby,
``We cannot guarantee that your dog will find a home.''  They
want to be kind about it, after all.  What it should say is that
your dog will be killed.

The outflow term depends on the demand for unwanted dogs, which could be
raised I suppose by restricting the supply of dogs people would otherwise
prefer, ie. by legislation, but that's what I regard as stupid and
intrusive and arrogant.  Something institutions come to like to do,
that's entirely typical of them.

Ths solution is so simple - call your shelter a dog disposal society.
Why the resistance?
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:06:52 -0400 
From: Rosalie Pingree <rp0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pittsburgh Dog Show 

I need to know the date & time of the Dog Show at 
Robert Morris College in Pittsburgh.  I also need to 
know when the Cairn Terriers will be shown.

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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:22:08 GMT

Holly writes:
> [reason] to buy from a REALLY reputable breeder.  Most breeders I
> know would be appalled to find out a dog they bred ended up in
> a shelter ... they would much rather have the dog returned to them

I imagine they would, if they could.  Some would, anyhow.  I don't
know.  I'm still waiting for the first one to show.  How they'll know
to show will be interesting.  Some dogs enter the shelter as strays.
And are not claimed by owners.  Ever.  Purebreds with all the rest.

The evidence is that "reputability" of breeder is poor protection for
the dog.  It's silly to pretend that, of the millions of unwanted dogs
every year, all were from "disreputable" breeders.

-- Jon
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From: simon@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Domination urination!?!?!?
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:48:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: uinpla.009613DA.E1F31180
Reply-To: simon@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nuclear Physics Laboratory, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

I have two dogs, both are mutts.  Suzie is 3 and dachshund-retriever
mix and Stewart is 1 and a collie-shepeard mix.  Stewart likes to urinate
where Suzie has, but twice now he does not want to wait until Suzie has
finished. (I should mention we have had Suzie 2 years and we got Stewart
in May). It looks to me like Stewart is trying to establish some dominance,
but in all other interactions Suzie is mostly the dominant one.

Any ideas?????????

-Dan
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Training a dog to be more wary of strangers
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: hecht@hsi.com

AH>I have an adorable 5 month old male Boxer who LOVES everyone!  While I'm
AH>glad he's friendly I also expected him to be a bit more protective of
AH>his home and us.  Right now, he'd go home with the pizza delivery boy
AH>if I let him.  Will he become more wary of stangers as he gets older or
AH>is there something I can do to make him realize that he should be a bit
AH>more protective and "watch dog" like?

Alice,
Would you ask a 2 yr. old to guard your home? Well that is basicly what
this "Puppy" is. As he grows older he will naturally become more
protective of his envioroment. Boxer do not fully mature until they are
about 2 years old. So give the pup a break and let him grow up.
BTW-He may always love the Pizza Guy, Boxers love pizza, especially
Pepperoni<G>

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: mcconnel@niktow.canisius.edu (Jeff Mcconnell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: obedience classes - WNY
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:47:10 GMT
Distribution: wny
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208


	We have a 17 week old golden (Barney)  and 
would like to start him in a Puppy Kindergarden or 
some early obedience classes.  At this point, he is 
pretty consistent with Sit and Down, and relatively 
good with come (as long as he doesn't find something 
more interesting on his way over :-)

	I am looking for some "reviews" of obedience
schools/classes in the Buffalo New Area, in North 
Buffalo is preferred.

thanks,

Jeff, Fred, and Barney
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Dogs in Europe
Date: 30 SEP 92 11:40:16 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) wrote:
>From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
>I have heard that dogs are much more accepted in every day life in Europe
>than here in the states.  I wonder what causes such a difference in 
>attitudes.  It seems to me that if the attitudes in the states were more
>like Europe, there wouldn't be some of the unreasonable fears that people
>have of dogs.  By unreasonable, I mean that there are a lot of people who
>are afraid of dogs only because dogs are unfamiliar to them.  They have not
>been around them and develop this fear.  If dogs were allowed out more,
>many of these people could be exposed to them and accept them easier.
>This is OF COURSE assuming that owner's are responsible and know their
>own dogs. 
	I'm in complete agreement.  I was in Paris this summer and was
surprised at the number of people who had unleashed dogs sort of trailing
around-not bothering anyone just sniffing.  They also were in the subway-
I saw a guy with *three* large german shepards waiting in the subwaystation
for a train-of course it was not a busy time of day-I don't know how well
it would go over otherwise.  Also *MOST* of the dogs I saw were little and
often stuffed in a pouch or something. *AND* there was dog crud on the 
sidewalks quite regularly so in Paris at least-others did pay the price.
i heard from my German teacher that restaurants in Germany are happier to 
see fido come in with his master than Jr. come in with daddy! In Paris
and other parts of France-I never saw a dog INSIDE a regular restaurant-
maybe one in a pouch or outside at the table in a cafe.
Bev


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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Dog sounds
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:31:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.121227.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

[stuff deleted]

>
>So anyway, once again I'm plugging Susan Conant's mysteries, in which the
>heroine not only solves murders, she tries to put obedience titles on her
>Malamutes.  I had no idea Northern breeds were so stubborn and hard to train
>until I started reading these books in which people with Goldens, Poodles, etc	
>are astonished by someone even trying to put a CDX on a Mal.  The antics of the
>dogs are pretty funny!  And I hadn't realized Mals don't bark, they say "Woo-	
>woo."  Is this really true?  I'm going to have to listen more closely at the 	
>next show!

Of course it is!  My Sibs make the same sound.  Where do you think I got the
name for my kennel???? :-)

>
>
>Holly

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From: pjf@sei.cmu.edu (Priscilla Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:05:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct2.170508.26740
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

My dog Lucy howls in perfect harmony with ambulance sirens.
From: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Arthritis - pain relief?
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:09:34 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <weoNjL200iUzM1HysY@andrew.cmu.edu>, bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barbara Carlson) writes:
> My 10 year old Maltese has very bad arthritis in his legs (he was a
> rescue from a puppy mill and had deformed legs). Is there anything I can
> do to make him more comfortable? His legs give out often and he falls on
> his face. Would some kind of leg support help? He's a sweet dog and it's
> awful to hear him cry when he falls or is stepped upon by my larger dog.
> I'll be taking him to the vet soon, but wondered if there was something
> I could do in the meantime.
> 
> --Barb--
I sympathize with you so much.  My previous beagle (now gone on to a pain-
free place) developed severe arthritis in his later years.  It seemed to help
to keep him warm.  My technique was to let him sleep on an electric blanket.
***Moniter him carefully--an electric blanket generates a lot of heat--make
sure he's not getting hot to the point of burning.  Of course there are heated
 dog beds--probably a better idea.  I also gave him an aspirin a day--call your
vet about that.  Just take good care of him.  Good luck.
Gretchen Belli
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From: pdesai@synoptics.com (Prakash Desai)
Subject: Free puppy to a good home
Reply-To: pdesai@synoptics.com
Organization: Synoptics Inc. Santa Clara, California.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:21:54 GMT


6 months old German Shep/Black Lab mix puppy.
Free to good home.  I found out afterwards that I am ellergic to dogs.
It also comes with a dog house.  We had him since he was 6 weeks old.
He has taken all the shots.

-prakash

e-mail: pdesai@synoptics.com
voice-mail: (408) 764-1660
Home phone: (408) 255-1967