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From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: US born kids
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:22:20 GMT
Organization: UB


 
One of my neighbors is a female Graduate student of Medical School of U. of
Maryland. She came to Buffalo to do research with her Advisor. She came from
Thailand. And she is so small and young.
When I told her something about looking for job in US, I was so surprised that
she said, "No matter how poor Thailand is, I will go back to Thailand because
it is my beloved country."
If you tell Taiwanese students the same thing, job in US, the answers are as
follows:
  1. Because of Recession in US, I have to go back to Taiwan.
  2. Because the living quality of Taiwan is not good, I want to stay in US.
  3. Girls:  If I get married in US, I like to stay here.
  4. US goes backward. I think Taiwan is good.
 
What do you think?

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:17:55 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug12.163734.19127@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
> In article <92225.093731U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> >
> >A lot of Japanese were not born during the World War II, either. Why
> >are we asking them to be responsible for the Nanking massacre ?
> 
> 	I cannot understand how any reasonable person would hold Japanese 
> 	today responsible for the Naking massacre. But I sure think Japanese
> 	should be held responsible for how they `interprete' that particular
> 	history. The key is to heal the old wound and misunderstanding.
> 

  That is the crux of this arguement. The people who edited the textbooks
could have been happened to be the ones who were involved in the Nanjing
massacre. No wonder they would not confess their perpetrations. How can
they teach their children that "dads did those bestial acts before, and son
you have got not to copy what I did before."

  If you examine the attitudes of those Japanese born after the second WWII,
their absurd restrictions imposed toward the people from their colonies
(including Taiwan), you will wonder why the western colonists would be so
benign to their colonials (like France, and USA). 


> 	I think that is where you confuse others with you strong statement
> 	coming out of 228. Well, if you think they means the same thing 
> 	then forgive my nonsense.
> 
> Yung-Kao Hsu
> 

Ter-Yuan Lee
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Jesse
Subject: Think about it!
Originator: cyen@ponder.csci.unt.edu
Organization: Computer Science Dept .of UNT
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:44:05 GMT

Hi lovely folks,
  Days ago I posted an article, "Many Ugly Yankees."  There are many responses
concerning this topic. But it's hard to tell which one is correct.  Actually,
only you know what you'd said is true or not.

Nelson Lu said,
>  If we implement the American system of applying for colleges (as
>opposed to having the entry exam), I would bet that there would immediately be
>anxious parents trying to bribe the admission offficers.

If you are the parent, would you bribe the officers?
I don't think it's a good attitude to bet something and conclude it as a fact.
How did you know it's never happened in US?  I don't want to say it did happen,
because I don't know the answer. Just a suggestion, don't get angry.

Tonight I drank with an American friend.  He told me he really worried about
the future of his country. Many politicians don't introspect themselves; 
moreover, they think what they've done is right. How serious is it is not what I
concern here.  My point is I see no frustration on his face.  He must be an
optimist. He also plans to go overseas to understand different cultures.
He said if the politicians know many different cultures, they perhaps will
have another point of view.

I know some situations in Taiwan is not good, espically the traffic.
There is an interesting experiment reported on a magazine. (sorry I forgot
the name.)  They put some mice in a small space.  After a period, most of mice
are crazy. But these mice are cured after being replaced in a large room.
Can you imagine the density of population  in Taipei city?  No wonder the
traffic is so terrible. We cannot blame the rule itself or people disobeying
rules.

Somebody said that 21th centry is Chineses' centry. I don't know whether it's
true. But I know this centry is a challeng to Chineses.  What we gonna be is
up to you. You can escape to another country, but you cannnot escape from 
seeing the result.  You can change your nationality, but you cannnot change your
ancestry. I don't want 21th centry to be Chineses' centry. I just hope 
everybody can do something for Chinese, and make the country (or countries ?) of
Chinese to become better.  What we gonna be is up to you!!!

If you feel this article is homiletic, I have no objection.

If you think something wrong in the article, please no flame on me, just
ignore it.

Jesse
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:51:33 GMT

In article <92227.130430U38250@uicvm.uic.edu> U38250@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>First of all, Yu@Chang.asd.sgi.com thought that I was suggesting his own
>family was to blame. He misunderstood me. Secondly, Shao@ucsu.Colorado.edu
>said that " Do you think the 2nd generation of your family who arrived
>Taiwan claimed theirselves Taiwanese so fast ? " He is getting emotional.
>
>Come on, guys! My wife is a WSR, according to people's definition. My son
>was born here in the U.S.. Tell me which catagory my son should be placed.
>If you see this, Shao@ucsu, I'll tell you my son thinks he is American !
>Yes, SO FAST !

maybe, i mis-read your lips, or fingers. 8)  but, i am not getting
emotional.  your son will think or thinks he is an american, because
you or his school will teach or taught him so.  (sorry, you didn't
mention his age.  i have to use the both tenses to write this.)
the reason i ask you the question is our tranditional education which is
totally different with the american education which your son has
taken or will take.  that is no possible for those second generation
immgrants hundreds years ago, thinking they were taiwanese.  not so
fast, in our tranditional culture system.

there is one thing which i want to say in previous article.  i don't
know if i have expressed clear enough.  wsr is not the name which wsr
call themselves.  bsr is not the name which bsr which bsr call themselves.
wsr is the name which bsr call the people who arrived taiwan after 1945.
bsr is the name which wsr call the people who arrived taiwan before 1945.
so, the problem that if you are a wsr, is not a problem that you can answer
yourself.  it is a question how the so-call bsr group see you.  for example,
you think you are bsr, but the people surrounding you don't think so.
what will you do?

will we keep being seperated by bsr and wsr?  i don't know.  it depends
on how we teach our children.  just like you, you teach your son that
he is an american (this is my assumpsion).  your son will think he is
an american.  if we keep teaching our children that there are two different
kinds of people, one is bsr, and the other is wsr.  the conflict will
never end.  just let our children play together.  let them create their
own friendships.  the names of bsr and wsr will die in the ashes of 
history.  let me make myself clear here.  to solve the conflict between
our people is not asking one side do something for the other side only.  if 
any side keeps thinking the faults are all from the other side.  the story
will never end.  because there is always one side which will say:"it is
not enough."

do you still think i am getting emotional?  if yes, i must admit i am not
as cool as a computer. 8)

cs shao.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: Many ugly Yankees!!
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:48:42 GMT

An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org> writes:
: 
: 
: Dear Tan Kim Wee,
: 
: I agree, Singapore is perfectly clean. Let's shrink Taiwan down to Singapore's
: size, and it will be easyer to be kept clean. Moreover: Deng Xiao Ping wanted
: to use the Singapore experience. That'll be some shrinking! :-)
: 
: bye, Goetz
: 
Dear Goetz, I believe that there is more to Singapore than the clean
environment. Perhaps what Deng Xiaoping referred to as the Singapore
experience may be the fact that we have a corruption-free government,
which IMHO is something worth learning about regardless of the size of
the country. :-).

PS: You got my name wrong...:(


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:44:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.170916.2139@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>
>What I am going to say here is not intended to accuse anyone but just facts.
>
>We all in silicon valley should remember that a couple weeks ago, a guy from
>Sun Micro System was fired because of his postings on gay issues.

Could Mr. Chang be more specific? The information provided here is
really too little. Could Mr. Chang or anyone else ellaborate for
people not in Silicon Valley?

I really doubt SUN can/will fire a person because of one's sexual orientation.
On the contrary, if one post a news to reveal others' sexual orientation,
he or she might get fired for infringing of privacy.
Without knowing the content of that posting in question, hardly can anyone
pass judgement here.

>I remeber there were cases that employees were fired/sued by hi-tech
>companies because they gave out company sercrets. The company found out by
>monitoring the e-mails.

Legal expert netters please supply advises on this issue so people can 
talk safely and still enjoy job security.

To my knowledge, evidences collected with illegal means can not be presented
on the court of law. Therefore, if a company found its employee giving out
comapny secrets *by* monitoring their emails, it seems to me that company
is collecting evidence illegally. But I have absolutely *no* confidence on my
knowledge about this issue. I knew it's illegal for a company to tap
telephone lines to monitor its employee's phone call unless sufficient 
evidence can be provided to the district attorney to issue the company a
warrant to tap the phone line. But even US law seems  to be much lagged
behind the development of technology. If this is true, there is no law
regulating these kind of issues.
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: REPOST[***** NEED HELP: Events for C.S.A. ******]
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:36:26 GMT

Hello Everyone,

I was the President of the Chinese Students' Association last semester
at the University of Rochester.  This coming semester, I will help
the new President to organise some NEW and EXCITING events.  We really
want to see what kind of interesting activities other CSA's (both US & Canada)
have.

Thanks for your input (in advance),
Baldwin Ng
(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: US born kids
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:12:13 GMT
Organization: UB


 
 
In article <6191@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>
>    An argument that a lot of Chinese parents use for sending
>    their children to Taiwan is that they fear their Chinese
>    children will grow "bad" in America.  Ten years ago, this
>    might be a valid argument.  But from what I can see through
>    my recent trip back to Taiwan, the island is now just as
>    "bad" as it is in the States.  I'm not just talking about
>    the environmental issues like smog and trash, but the entire
>    culture is also much more westernized.  In certain places,
>    they even went beyond what Americans would consider to be
>    decent.  Just think about it: hair salons that open 'til 3
>    or 4 in the morning?  What kind of an idiot would go and get
>    a haircut at 3 in the morning?  When I get married, and if
>    I'm living in the states, I'm definitely keeping my children
>    beside me.  I think nowadays kids in Taiwan are not as innocent
>    as their parents thought.  There are bad influences in both
>    Taiwan and the US.  I, for one, would rather be with my kids
>    so that I know exactly what the bad influences are.
 
     ** Yes, I agree with you. Taiwan is a material world as US new.
        And Taipei is the worst place.
 
lmh@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu) writes:
>
> Well...I have to differ with you on that..I think Taiwan has a lot
> more bad influences/temptation.  Your comments reminded me of a recent
> article I rea in the newspaper (her in Taiwan).  The artilce described
> a family where the father had to take his family abroad (to the US, I
> think) because the company sent him there to be in charge of the
> company's operation in the states.  Anyway, that lasted for two years
> or so and after he got back, he had to go to many various appointments
> (in4 chou2?) and had hardly much time left for the kids.  And his son
> asked, "Dad, can we go back and  live in the US?"
>
   ** These kids do not like a lot of homework in Taiwan. And the pressure
      of course work of high schools is well known.
      If you finished the education of both elementary school and high school
      in Taiwan, you would understand that.
 
> This is not to say that Taiwan is necessarily a bad place to live but
> it's just that you better know what you are doing and what you want
> out of life.
 
 
 

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:45:51 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <BtAyuG.Dpn@me.utoronto.ca>, trieu@me.utoronto.ca (Trieu C. Chau) writes:
> 
> Also, how is the Chu-Yin system used (how are words/characters transcribed
> from Chinese to English characters)?
> 
	** This is the problem where inconsistance occured among
	   users from different area. For example, I use "Tzen"
	   while mainlanders would use "Zhen" for "true"

	   To me, this kind difference doesn't really matter as
	   long as I understand them.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Re: BANANAS (was Re: Thanks, buddy!)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:44:13 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.190228.19166@odin.corp.sgi.com>, yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes...
> 
>My parents had been poor almost all their life. Both are teachers who helped
>lots of taiwanese students.

Looking back at all those years and teachers, the one that came to my most
often is my ji2-ren4-lau3-shih1 at my 3rd and 4th grade. I remember his name.
Fong2, Shih4-Der2 from Ho2-Nan2(river south) province. After being discharged
from the military, he attended some sort of test and became a dai4-ke4 teacher.
Since my elementary school was in an extremely remote area, more than half of
the teachers were dai4-ke4 and every teacher was responsible for every course
ranging from mathematics to music lesson. He was the most dedicated teacher I
have the luck to encounter in my life. He learned very hard of the songs in the
music textbook in order to teach us sing. He taught us "bu3-yu2-ke1" and I
still remember his facial expression and hand gesture in teaching us sing
that song. He told us the si1-yo2-ji4 story with that book in his hand and
the class was totally absorbed. He taught me calligraphy after class for free
and scolded me after I lost patience....I would like to visit him next time
I go back to Taiwan.
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From: hch@pi.NCTU.edu.TW (Huang Chih-Hsien)
Subject: HYTELNET 6.2 available at silence.pi.NCTU.edu.TW
Organization: National Chiao Tung University, Taiwan
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:14:07 GMT

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From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Only a Joking
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:49:35 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


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From: dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: [education] giving student numbers in secondary schools
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:58:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china


     [C^i tiu artikolo estas en la Angla lingvo, sed Esperanta traduko
estas havebla.] -- This paragraph is irrel@v@nt to English-language speakers.

     Once I was in Taiwan and noticed that in one secondary school
(high school), or perhaps in many schools, the way to give student numbers
to students in unfair and "incorrect" (for those in the U.S.A. who
likes to talk about "correctness").  I wonder if this unfairness will
be disposed of in the next academic year.

     They give students academic tests
and use the test results to give student numbers.  For
example, if there are four classes per year, those scoring 1st, 5th, 9th
et al. will belong to one class *but* there student numbers will be
1, 2, 3, etc.  This is unfair because scoring high in an academic test
does not entitle one to carry an up-front student number all year round.  They
can use the traditional number-of-strokes in a student's name, or the bo-po-
mo-fo ordering.

     A related point seen above is that students are spread evenly
according to the test results.  Thus 1st goes to class A (jia3?), 2nd
goes to class B (i3), 3rd goes to class C (bing3), and so on.  What
they can do is to look at the trait of students and put *similar* students
in the same class, so that they can work with the same strengths and
weeknesses.  In our secondary school in Hong Kong, we have academic
"class-allotting tests" (fen1 ban1 shi'4), and we
put students with similar strengths and traits together.

					*Zhong* Qi-Iao, Hong Kong / U.S.A.
From: eaeu154@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeremy Ho)
Subject: Re: REPOST: CHINESE MUSIC RADIO PROGRAM at US UNIVERSITIES
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:20:14 GMT

In article <9208171739.AA17558@moe.optics.rochester.edu> ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) writes:
>Hello!!
>
>Does anyone have experience in running a chinese-music program in
>school radio-station?  Here in Rochester (NY, USA), there is a small
>group of people who would like to start such a program.  Since we are
>not experienced at all.  Your input/experience/advice WILL BE GREATLY
>APPRECIATED!
>
>Thanks a lot,
>Baldwin Ng
>(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu) - UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER, Institute of Optics
>
>
Hi:
I don't know what area are you focus on. So if you have any question about radio station, please contact me at:
eaeu186@orion.oac.uci.edu
eaeu228@orion.oac.uci.edu
eaeu228@orion.oac.uci.edu
or contact Joseph Lin at:
eaeg084@orion.oac.uci.edu
jlin@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

Roger Yusheng Wu.

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