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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: shAhrokh, tabibe mahin!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:04:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Oct6.184911.1083@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>His work on e**(i*pi) is a classic, and he used that result to prove that
>"mort", "mortuary" ... and "Amorzesh" come from the same root! An amazing
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>result that could "tarAvosh" only from "maghze fakoure ostAd". 

funny how the only thing you seem to be able to pick on is the fact 
that i dont know my baabaa taahere oryaan from my neemaa yooshij...

but it would be really, truly, unbelievably embarrassing for you, gods
gift to adabiyaate farsi, if a mute like me could bring proof that mort, 
mortuary and amorzesh share the same root, wouldnt it?

how about a bet:  ill bring the proof, and you post this on sci:

	"hi, my name is seyyed.  i have a huge ego problem.
	 since i cant answer mahins, shahrokhs, etc questions
	 on islam, i resort to threats and personal attacks whenever
	 i feel cornered.  and once again, one of these people,
	 has put me in my place and pierced a hole in my ego and 
	 deflated it."

do we have a bet, or will you chicken out again?  

what?  whats that noise in the background i hear??? 

ghod ghod ghodaaa...

shahrokh (this feels so good after paying my credit card bills...)
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: shAhrokh, tabibe mahin!
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:52:23 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.

In article <ld4epfINN7he@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>
>my apologies to the good people of sci... each time i read thru
>seyyed's article i find another indication of his true self which
>i feel obligated to share with you.
>
>>He later
>>experienced some residence problem due to his extensive knowledge and 
>>intelligence. He wrote: "...I am dar sharafe(!) ekhrAj az AmrikA ...".
>		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>>Thanks God, estekbAre jahAni didn't succeed to expel him, and here again
>>sham'e vojoudash roshanAyi bakhshe mahfele mAst!
>
>once again you prove my Foldgers Crystals theory.  not only did i *not*
>write the above, you should be stoned (have i got the punishment
>right?) for attributing someone elses words to me.  youve just lost
>the credibility you didnt have to begin with, to get published by
>even 'The Enquirer'.
>
>i *dare* you to post the above article (in its entirety) on sci.  if you
>dont, then we'll continue with our notion of what kind of a person you
>are.  i'll give you one week.
>
>if you do post it, i shall eat my words (contrary to you, i
>dont have a problem with saying i screwed up - it has to do with 
>ego size: grade AAAA vs A).

---------------------begin forwarded message---------------------------------
From eclnews!wupost!think.com!ames!sun-barr!news2me.ebay.sun.com!exodus.Eng.Sun.COM!handel.Eng.Sun.COM!smortaz Tue Apr 28 16:54:08 CDT 1992
Article: 51962 of soc.culture.iranian
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Expectationeh PesarAyeh Iroonieh in doreh zamooneh (read it, its funny!)
Date: 28 Apr 1992 20:50:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel


posted for [name deleted for protection --Seyyed], who doesnt have posting capabilities:

------------------------------


AghA-ee hastam bee savAd, bee pool, moatAd, ghomAr bAz, alkoli,
ay-yAsh, khosh gozarAn, dar beh dar, behdooneh hichgooneh vasileyeh
naghleeyeh, pAk bAkhteh, dar sharafeh ekhrAj az Amrica, dArAyeh
chandin parvandeyeh jenA-ee va hasht bacheyeh nA mashroo, mobtalA
beh beemAreeyeh aids, mAyelam bA khAnoomi tahsil kardeh, behseeyAr
pooldAr, bedooneh e-teeyAd beh mavAdeh mokhader va ghomar va alkol
va bedooneh hichgooneh nArAhateeyeh jensi ezdevAj konam.

Lotfan akseh khod rA hamrAh bA yek sadd dollAreeyeh nAghAbel beh
Adreseh zeer ersAl farmA-eed:

                   KheeyAbAneh dar beh dar
                   Koocheyeh Osh-shAgh
                   Bon basteh zendegi
                   PelAkeh sefr, taheh kharAbeh


Bee sabrAneh montazeram nAmeyeh khod rAu barAyeh aghAyeh shomAreyeh
chArsado-seeyo-chAr ersAl koneed.



*********** Source:  Hafteh NAmeyeh BAzAr
                     ShomAreyeh sado-seeyo-sheesh
                     Beesto-hashteh august



------------------------------


i luv it!

shahrokh
-----------------------end of forwarded message--------------------------------

Well, you did write it but it wasn't your words and I knew that. However the
point is that since you love it, it means that you read it at least once!
If you noticed any mistake, you could at least notify the original author,
couldn't you?  :-)

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: pcjafari@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Masoud Jafari)
Subject: what can be done toward a better IRAN ?
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:05:47 GMT

Dear Iranian Friends:

I like to propose a discussion on a subject that all of us as Irannian love to 
share some thoughts and ideas. The subject is how to make our wonderful 
contry, IRAN, a greater, more powerful and more united as ever.  How can IRAN 
improve dramatically in all aspects ((, i,e, economical, social, cultural, military and above all educational ).

We as present generation of Iranians are very much responsible to take part in 
building and initiating some creactivity. Despite all discrepancy in ideas and 
bliefs, we all need to show some devotion. We all have to sacrifice whatever 
we can afford. Our country, IRAN, has tried so hard to stay on its feet and to 
be independent, not influenced by west nor east. A very high price has to be 
paid off for that. And don't forget that the enemy has not rested and has always tried so hard to destablize and demoralize our great country, IRAN. By imposing war, economic sanction, and above all by distrupting the unity amid Iranians. 
My dear friends, we all have to stay alert and clever and not to fall easily 
in their trap. How can we do that?

My 1st idea and I belive that from bottom of my heart, is that we all have 
to sacrifice. We the present generation must go back to our country and must 
be used as a bridge for the future generation to thrive as much as possible.

So, please let's all work hard toward that goal, eventhough I am prety much 
sure there are a lot of devoted and hard working Iranian brothers and sisters 
presently engaged in that task. We owe them alot for defending our 
country in the imposed war, protecting our family and NAMOOS from the enemy. 
Now it is the time for you all educated ( I used the subject "you" for I don't 
consider myself as educated as you are) to participate and take strong role 
in proper building and "shokufaei" . It is our turn now. let's all devote 
and sacrifice. These all will be accomplished with "Tavakol bar Khodavande 
Bozorg" and total faith and belief in him and only him, and above all for 
his sole satisfaction. Not for anyone else, just for him.

Dorud va Sepas bar shoma Doostan Gerami.   Khoda Negahdar.       
From: Omid 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mansour@mu.nsc.com ()
Subject: TESTING MY CONNECTION.
Originator: mansour@mu.nsc.com
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:10:35 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Ancient Farsi script
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:50:06 GMT


>...........................................  I've been wondering about that
>myself for some time, and I confirmed that the writing of Darius was in a 
>form of Cuneiform which uses wedge-shaped signs.  I read this in a book by
>Cyrus Gordon called "Forgotten Scripts."  It has information about how they
>deciphered Old Persian as well as hieroglyphics in Egypt and other
stuff.  It's
>pretty interesting and it's at the Palo Alto public library if you're 
>interested.

Vida Khanoom:

I was wondering if you can put more information on this issue.  I am
specially interested that why we changed our script style.

Unfortunately, I cannot access this book up there and I have already
check the library here.
Your information will be greatly appreciated.


Ba Sepas Faravan


Zamie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: trick trivia :-) (Summary of responses)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:42:48 GMT

hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin) writes:
>MACk@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>>
>>    Ramin:  ezhdehAhA   (just kidding)
>>    Ramin:  ezhdee      (or close to that)
>>    K1:     ezhdehAhA   (obviously)
>>    Bavafa: ezhdeha     (it's plural itlself)
>>    ShAhin: ezhdehAyAn  
>>    Ramin:  ezhdiAn     (willing to bet money)
>>    S***    ezhdehaan
>
>>Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know the correct answer. It might
>>very well be one of the above. However, I know that "ezhdehAyAn"
>>cannot possibly be the correct answer. Because "ezhdehA" is a Farsi
>>word, but the "An" suffix that pluralizes a noun applies only to
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Arabic words. "ezhdehAhA" is a reasonable guess, but sounds kind of
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>That is absolutely wrong Mack, "An" as I said before is used in Farsi
>for the human nouns and sometimes other live beings.

Well, as I said, my "savAd e fArsi" is not that much. So, my apologies
for the mistake. I was always under the impression that "An" is always
used to pluralize in Arabic.

>MardomAn, gAvAn and derakhtAn are all three authentic Farsi words.
>In Arabic 3 suffices "An","in" and "oon" are used for pluralizing.
>Examples of these are "adibAn", "salAtin" and "rohAnioon".

Thanks for the explanation.

>-ShAhin    

    --mack

--
She's closing her eyes, then she takes me away,
and she's pulling the strings, when she's playing with love.
She's playing with love.                       --Alphaville
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Date: 6 Oct 1992 02:12:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel
Keywords: Family names of women

In article <sehari.718045887@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>American girls are thought to honor and love their husbands.  Whereas,
>Iranian girls are thought to break their husbands and put a saddle behind
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>their husband's back!  This is one of the most important reasons that many
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Iranian man usually escape from Iranian women.  I believe, this fact
>even has contributed to more than %40 single rate in Iran.  The problem
>is that the potential mother-in-laws, while teaching their daughter how to
>correctly saddle their future husbands, have forgotten to tell their daughters
>that you should catch a horse first, then you could saddle him.  
	                 ^^^^^

and its a darn lucky thing that youre a _cow_ and wont have this worry!

>Therefore you see these amateur horse trainers approach the Iranian men 
>with saddle in hand!  -:)
                       ^
                       |
		       |

i see that after six months the vertical lobotomy scar over your eyes
*still* hasnt healed.  yeah, i know, leather heals very slowly.  as the
matador said: try some oil of 'olaaaaaaaay!'

hooshyar was right on the button to label you bahrol oloom.

heres another appropriate title:

	'la vache qui rie'

oh yeah, it *also* means 'the laughing cow'.


>                             With highest regards,

		      With deepest sympathies,

>                                  Babak   Sehari.
				
		      Towsan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: arfad@dbu.edu ()
Subject: Re: javAd Agha admonishes
Organization: A news
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:00:41 GMT

-----------

In article seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

|> 2) You implicitely accept that insulting the religious believes of more than
|>    1 billion people needs some kind of punishment. Our difference is that you
|>    say that it shouldn't be death.
|>


You have been insulting God and Islam almost everyday in the past few
weeks.  So what should your punishment be my dear so call 'Seyyed' .


Stop insulting God,  his temper is getting shorter!!!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.europe
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: EP issues IMPORTAN resolution condemning suppresion of women
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:10:36 GMT

 
  
European Communities

	               EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT
			
The European Parliament,

A. concerned at the new and unprecedented wave of official
   suppression of women in Iran, including arbitrary arrests,
   flogging, and assaulting in public,

B. noting that the Iranian women were already deprived of their
   most fundamental rights,

C. taking note of the horrific dimension of this suppression,
   where, according to the government-run press, more than 113,000
   were arrested during one year since August 1991, for `propagating
   moral corruption and mal-veiling,'

D. taking note of the United Nations Subcommission for Prevention
   of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities of 26 August 1992,
   which expresses `grave concern at the rise in the number of
   summary executions following the recent anti-government
   demonstrations in cities such as Arak, Mashad, and Shiraz, and at
   the arbitrary arrest of thousands of people during those
   demonstrations, attributed by the authorities to the Mojahedin'
   as well as the clampdown on women,

1. Condemns the flagrant violations of human rights, and
   especially suppression of women, in Iran, 

2. Supports the message by Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, Secretary-General
   of the People's Mojahedin of Iran, urging the public to defend the
   oppressed women of Iran, and also her request from international
   bodies and personalities to table this subject and take urgent
   action,

3. Welcomes the statement of 1,500 parliamentarians from 20
   countries, including parliamentarians from Member States of the
   European Community, condemning the violations of human rights in
   Iran and supporting the Iranian people's struggle for peace and
   democracy and its democratic alternative, the National Council of
   Resistance,

4. Calls on all Member States to present, on the basis of the UN
   Subcommission's August 26 resolution, a substantive resolution on
   the United Nations General Assembly urging a General Assembly
   condemnation of the violations of human rights in Iran, and
   particularly the suppression of Iranian women,

5. Instructs its President to forward this resolution to all
   Member States, the Secretary General of the United Nations, the
   President of the General Assembly and Mrs. Maryam Rajavi,
   Secretary-General of the Mojahedin.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eeajm@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Movahedi Alireza)
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:08:26 GMT

In article <saied.717810619@cwis> saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>>I was wondering what is the position of Mujaahedin
>>with regard to the 3 Iranian islands now being claimed
>>by different Arab states?  Usually our resident MKO supporters
>>are very quick in declaring their positions on national and international
>>issues, whoever, I have not heard anything regarding this issue.
>
>Here is my response based on my familiarity with
>the Mojahedin's positions: The Mojahedin's primary
>concern is the suffering of the Iranian people and
>the fact that as long as the illegitimate Khomeini
>regime is continuing its backward rule in Iran,
>Iran's resources, wealth, human talent, etc. will
>be wasted and that the country will not progrss.
>
>Thus, their the Mojahedin's objective is to use all
>their reseources and energy towards removing the current
>regime and replacing it with a progrssive, democratic
>and nationalist government. Once we have a national
>and democratic government, and with the help of the
>Iranian people, I am sure, fair and nationalist
>solutions can easily be formulated to deal with the
>international issues.

Well I am not really that familier with the Mojahedin's school of thought,
because one day they claim they are anti imperialism (America) other day 
they ask US reps. to help them out.  Another day they say we are pro palestine,
next day you see that the head of Mojahedin organisation take picture with
king Hosein (Master of the Black September). If you allowm me to continue I   
would like to also extends my understang about Masud Rajavi. One day he
marrys Benisader's daughter another day he divorces and marry his friends
Mehdi Ebrishamchi's wife.       

One question comes up here.  If he were the prisident of Iran, would he have
done anything elese but marrying his cabinet member's wives and divorcing them
the next day.

Let's go on.  They claim they are working for poor people.  If so, why do they
tie hand with Sadam Husein ank kill the Kurdish people in the north of Iraq.

Why do they tie hand with Sadam Husein and kill Iranian people during the Iran/
Iraq war.

Why do they tie hand with Sadam Husein and kill southern people of Iraq.

Another things that I am concern with is the Statistic that is give by the
Mojahedin.  According to their statistic either all Iranian in Iran are 
dead (being executed) or jailed (being tortured), at the same time they 
are against the IRI.

My point is let be realistic if they are all executed how can they be in jail
(or as you say tortured), or how every body be against the regim.  This is not
true because I am sure there are alot of people who are supporting the IRI if 
not all.

Thank you.
Ali.

 .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: siamak@sltg26.ljo.dec.com (Parviz Siamak)
Subject: Ways to get into the U.S.
Keywords: U.S.
Organization: SIA Computer Service
Distribution: soc.culture.iranian 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:45:37 GMT

Salam bar Hamvatananeh Aziz

I just returned from a short trip to Iran. My last brother was asking me how
he can get into the U.S. to study. I promised him to find out ways he might be
able to come into this country. I can support him thru college.

Please, if anybody has suggestions or gone thru similar experiences, let me 
know. My brother and I will thank you a lots.

Ba Tashakor,
--parviz


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mahyar@netcom.com (Mahyar Rahmatian)
Subject: Center for Dialogue Presents ...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:42:20 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Persian Script
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:25:27 GMT


I received this from a guy with access to books pertaining to ancient scripts.
Naturally I was disappointed at his characterization of the Pahlavi script.  I
am awaiting his word that the book is in stock at his company.

>Dear Mr. Capell:
>Before Arabic script, Iran used Pahlavi script, which is considered
>by those who know to be one of the world's worst attempts at 
>an alphabet, as many of the letter forms can be confused with 
>each other.  Sasanian seals, ostraca, and so on have such inscriptions.


From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:48:01 GMT
Subject: Not without WHOSE daughter????
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian

behrooz@egr.msu.edu (Roozbeh Behrooz) writes:


>Last year on Iranian TV there was a show called "dar entezar-e MahtAb"
>In this show they showed portions of the movie, quoted some parts of
>the book and interviewed Betty's husband.
>
>In the show the husband
>said that he thought Betty was converted to Islam and was happy living
>in Iran. He claimed that Betty kidnapped his daughter and left so she
>could have both MahtAb and their house in the U.S.
>

Of course, I am glad that we could hear the other side, since
by definition, this ordeal was peresented to us in a one-sided fashion

But I generally have 2 problems with Mr. Mahmoudy's side:

1) I'm sorry, but if an American woman takes a four year-old girl
over land to Turkey, she must be desparate.  Anybody who has been to
eastern Turkey/NW Iran knows what I am talking about, especially if
someone took the route she did.  A lot of people don't make it.  You could
die from cold, animals, starvation, your own smugglers might rape and kill
you, etc.  Not to mention getting caught. It seems to me just from the above 
that she was not eager to live in Iran, and he definitely misread her.
If he 

2) If he is such a good father, what steps has he taken to get his daughter
back?  As others have mentioned on the net, there are serious laws against
kidnapping in this country, and the least he can do is try to fight this
in court.  Worse case he loses, and he's back to where he started.  Small
price to pay for your daughter.

But, still, I think that this is the story of ONE couple, in which the 
husband happenned to be from Iran, a country which was in quite a bit
of turmoil at the time, and has a very different way of life and laws than
America.  IMHO, Betty is somewhat to blame as well, in that she didn't
take the time to REALLY get to know her husband before they married(one can
see this in her book when she explainds about the beginnings of her relation-
ship), and therefore this marriage would have had big problems even if they had
stayed in America.  And as we all know, that wouldn't have mad such a 
best-selling book now, would it? (And even less so if the husband was 
an American alcoholic wifebeater cannibal transvestite,etc.!)

Maybe the message here is that as people, we always like to highlight
and shoot down other people's weaknesses, and the world has come
to the point where we all should have the courage to go in and fix our
own weaknesses, with help from other people's criticism.  And I mean
ALL the countries in the world.

BA Arezoo-ye-mowaffaghiat,

Agha Javad

(Kashk-e-TAzeh mojood ast!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian