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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:33:36 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: God and Dowsing
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:>If you can't make a resounding positive judgement on loony issues like
:>dowsing, tarot reading, or God in High Heaven, then you're just as bad
:>as they are.

:You misunderstand my view - or indeed perhaps I haven't presented it
:well.  Let me quote from the objectives of CSICOP: "[the committee] does
:not reject claims on a priori grounds, antecedent to inquiry, but
:rather examines tham objectively and carefully."  This is what I do - in
:theory.  Obviously I haven't the resources to do it all myself, so I

But Tony, you're taking this strict interpretation (I hesitate
to say PC) of skepticism too far.  Don't you see, for example, a
significant difference between a dowser who wanders over land with
a twig, and a dowser who sits at home with a map and a pendulum?

The frmer, though unproven despite many trials, *could* at a pinch
have a rational explanation.  The latter is clearly in cloud cuckoo
land.  Don't you have enough faith in your common-sense to dismiss the
latter out of hand as pseudish paranormal bullshit?  To even give
credence to its possibility shows you to be as weak minded as those
who believe it unequivocally.

G
From: ST402747@brownvm.brown.edu (blomberg cepeda)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 17:15:42 GMT
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Posted by someone with a wierd inexplicable name:

>>     Will Blackmun wait until the end of the term to quit, or announce it
>>right off? Justice Cuomo sounds _real_ nice.
>
>The resignation is in Clinton's in-box now.  If Clarence Thomas was not
>qualified (harassment aside), what makes Cuomo such a peach?  He's PC?

The problem with Blackmun resigning before the end of the term is that it might
mean losing his vote for the term; justices can't vote on cases which they
haven't heard the arguments for.

As for Cuomo, he has a superb legal mind, is one of the few people whom I
believe would actually rather be on the Court than in the White House, and my
only fear is that he woud be a brilliant Earl-Warren-in-reverse.

                                 b.c.
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Greetings,

No.  It was November 22, 1963.

Marty
From: TSLGILMORE@CC.WEBER.EDU (Lisa J. Gilmore)
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Subject: Re: Camille Paglia
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:45:00 GMT
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>I didn't know anything about this women you've been talking about lately
>(except that she's an occassional poster to soc.bi whose name I vaguely
>recognised) - but I saw her on your 60 Minutes tonight and I have to say
>what I saw I liked...  there was very little she said I disagree with.

>Anyone know the titles of her books?

Didn't she write Sexual Personnae?
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:19:45 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: amendment 2
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:      Or more equivalent--if atheists ruled a state, would it be okay for them
: to say that any county or city cannot ban discrimination against practicing
: adherents of any sect (including Christians).
:      Legislate unto others as you would have them legislate unto you.

Yes, the Oregon and possibly Colorado measures are very like the way
the communist Russian state banned christianity for 70 years and drove
it underground...

G
From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Subject: Re: To Neal and To Brownies
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:41:58 GMT
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>Lunch was scrumptious, the salad wasn't. I was a bit taken aback to learn that
>it was the first time la belle Judith had been in Spat's since a tete-a-tete
>with Graham; I would have read something into this, but it _was_ my choice of
>restaurant. She is truly a veritable saint, though not nearly ditzy enough to
>be my mother.

Saint? Saint?!? Good grief! WHAT HAVE I DONE???

Ask *my* kids if I'm ditzy enough!

love, judith...shaking her head in amazement
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:52:07 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question
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>>Didn't I once read a suggestion among elders of the feminist
>>movement that a "croning ceremony" would be an ideal rite of passage
>>for menopausal women -- anointing them as learned elders or some
>>such thing?
>
>I don't know, but I want one!!!!   (When it's time.)  Are you allowed to
>be a crone w/out having been a mother?
>
>Karen

Yes. (That's a fiat from the senior mother on the list)

However, you must submit evidence of equivalent experience,
such as being a teacher...and you really *must* be a woman...
sorry, guys, but there are Separate But Equal titles for
Senior Men.

love, judith
From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Subject: Re: HELLO!
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:52:00 GMT
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>I suppose I should introduce myself. I am James Richard Llewellyn,
>descendant of the first prince of Wales, and consequently, possessor of
>a tremendous ego problem.
No kidding?

> I have made a few humble observations.
>1: This board has absolutely no continuity. Brav(o,a)!! I do feel that
>it is to everyone's interest that Re:s stick to a specific topic.
No. That would contribute to unwanted continuity.

>4: I still can't figure out the fuss over "fuck."
That must be because you're not doing it right.

>5: I only hope that I can somehow penetrate the obvious familiarity
>between subscribers and become a vocal, if not necessary, part of the
>experience.
It can be done. Good luck.

>Peace, Love, and Cowher Power,
What's "Cowher" mean, please?

Saint Judith of the Apes
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Grungy city
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:28:15 GMT
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (gilbertsmith) says:


>I know, I got lost on the L and ended up on the Southside once, but
>I lived.  I was talking in this context about the *skyline*....
Can you see it out there?  I was out in LA a few years back, and if you were
up fairly high, you couldn't see *anything*.

>Nothing can equal driving into Philadelphia on I-95 from the south
>and careening through all those tangles of old ironwork bridges,
>speeding along on the worst interstate highway in the world.  It is
I can match you highway for highway, Giggles, at least in Downtown
Hartford.:-(  This is a bit old tobe replying to, but the Bulletin board
was deader than Marley's ghost for almost 24 hours....  If you've never
driven I-91 and I-84 in downtown [no bypass] you've never been on the worst
interstate in the world.<grin>  Well, maybe it's second-worst, but the 
91/84 interchange has been rated as one of the ten worst in the USA, and it's
near the top of the list.

>an exhilirating experience, seeing the skyline looming up on the left
>while trying to avoid the potholes and enjoy the patterns of rusty
Now that I can sympathize with - here in Hartford County, we don't clock
mileage on the way to work, we clock potholes.  People who sell shocks
and tires just <love> Hartford's road repair crews.
[who never seem to repair anything]

>
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Subject: Re: asterisk
Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:50:30 GMT
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In a previous article, ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (blomberg cepeda) says:

>In my previous post, I forgot a footnote: When I mention book, I mean just the
>New Testament, for reasons Ruth has since expanded upon. But even at that:
>Ruth, the only explicit (as in "can't be explained by translation or historical
>context problems") condemnation of homosexual sex is in Romans, which is in
>more or less the same place as the condemnation of men wearing long hair like a
>woman. How would you vote on that referendum?
I'd go find three or four commentaries by people who I think know what they're
talking about. I'd read the original passage.  Then I'd vote.  If that's
the kind of answer that Graham was just flaming, fine.  It's the only honest
one I can give.

>    And my LAST word on this for the time being (barring egregious personal
>flaming) is the observation of a friend who died of AIDS over the summer, who
>was also a very devout RC: his last line of defense, one which he always felt
>more powerful than Paul--what he had with his lover was of such beauty and such
>power that he could not but believe it divine. (The funeral was RC, but his
>lover read Kaddish, and an excerpt from Oedipus at Colonnus.)
>
Let's hope he and I meet up in Heaven, so we can argue the point.  It ought
to be interesting.:-)  Then we could go find Paul and thrash it out with
*him*.....

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:32:43 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: another lame unix question
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> >Does anyone know the name of the gnu machine at MIT where I can ftp some
> >FSF stuff from?

The only MIT machine name I know is gnu.ai.mit.edu.  I bet some of you
know why.  ;-)   Would explore other MIT machines right now but am 60+
pieces of mail behind and have to get ready to face another work week, alas.

> I don't know the answer to that one, but have an even lamer question:
> why are some of us (i.e., me) still unable to post directly to Words-l?

I'm not sure what you mean.  How did you post this if not directly?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 09:28:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: Did prop. 9 fail in oregon?
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I was hoping to hear prop. 9 failed , but i have not heard.
Anybody out in Oregon know the details.

     As you have probably already heard, it failed by approximately
     54-46.  Much too close for my taste.  Still we had a great big
     rockin party last night, attended by many citizens with
     interesting haircuts.  Largest applause of the evening elicited
     by a TV picture of the Portland Bush headquarters, pathetically
     deserted by about 9:30.

     Lon Maybon and the OCA have already vowed to try again.  Today I
     don't care.  A small, tender, atrophied part of my spirit is
     stirring from its frozen sleep...

     Carol
From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Subject: Re: Nosferatu
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:11:49 GMT
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>Lestat is the one who brought Louis over.  Louis had totally
>misunderstood Lestat's intentions and character in Interview.
>If you read The Vampire Lestat, I think you'd be pleasantly
>surprised.
>
>Evelyn

Evelyn darling, I would be pleasantly surprised if I managed
to get all the way through the *newspaper* every day...

love, judith, still reading December New Yorkers...
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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The following was from a colorado library friend re the amendment two that
excluded homosexuals from special rights.  I've excluded, I hope, any
references to his name.  At the end he refers to the January meeting of
American Libr Assn, which will be in Denver.

dan

      ************************************************************8

oh yes, colorado passed amendment 2.  i think most folks knew what they
were doing, but rationalized that they were just denying "special" rights,
not civil rights.  the language included exclusions like quotas,
preferences, etc.--which makes me fear it might have passed even if
homosexual had been replaced with women or blacks!  good example of
polling bias though.  polls showed it was going to fail for weeks.  only 2
explanations: the bigots refused to participate in the poll, or they lied
about what they intended to do at THE polls.

its too late for ala midwinter to be moved, so we can probably expect some
excitement over this while the conference is here. deservedly, alas.

go figure!!!
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*** Resending note of 11/05/92 21:54


>Out of curiosity, what was everyone else doing on that day?

Many of us, self included, did this last year.  But, to repeat, I was
wiring an IBM 407 panel.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:52:04 EDT, "Evelyn Duncan" <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET> wrote:
> Henny Youngman?  About as funny as Rodney Dangerfield, who is about as
> funny as getting a broken leg.

I thought RD was hilarious in that movie about him going back to school
to look after his son.  One of the few US-style comedies that I just let
myself go and chortled during...

G
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Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:10:42 GMT
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Blomberg, is that album available by mail order from somewhere in the
States?  Sounds interesting.  I have a Russian CD sitting here, by a
group called Zvuki Mu.  I played it once or twice, but didn't like it
much, but that may be Brian Eno's production as much as anything else.
The lyric sheets are bilingual, but the singing is in Russian.  
If you want it, yell.:-)  Maybe someone will get some use out of it; as it is,
it's a dust collector.

btw- did you ever hear of a rock opera called Trumpet Call?  It's in
Russian, and got smuggled out of the USSR prior to Glasnost.  It's supposed
to be pretty good, but apparently the pre-Gorby government didn't like the
author too much, to put it mildly.
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>  BOG:  giant ape on Philadelphia office building (ca 1986/87) ***

        Vague recollection of this.  It was an ad campaign of some sort (no
        kidding...).  Was the building a very bright white, about 20 stories, a
        small tower?  If so, it was the Inquirer Building.

>--brad (Don't flame me, Alec! Rashmi! Neal!  Lynch is the one who
>        had problems with your fair city)

        But for the superlatives, I agree with Lynch.  In other words, it is
        sleazy, corrupt, decadent, sick, fear-ridden, and twisted, but I doubt
        it's the *most* such.

        Hey, I'm only <from> Philly.  I *live* in Pittsburgh.

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Subject: Re: PC bigotry (was prop 9)
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: Steve says something like "...trailer parks are often located in the paths
: of tornadoes".  Steve, were you being facetious?  Did not know one could
: predict a tornado path, and can't imagine anyone deliberately building in
: harm's way.

I'm glad Karsten offered that meteorological clarification of my claim. I
would add that trailer parks often occupy relatively undistinguished land
in wide open spaces, far from hills and lakes, which also affect
weather patterns.

It's easy for me to imagine people building in harm's way.  I can
think of you or Bayla, waiting for hurricanes, or Karsten or Emily,
betting against The Big One.  People build in harm's way all the
time.  Sometimes their houses are cheaper for that reason.

: Still you can't label many of the trailer park inhabitants as poor,
: second class, under-educated, whatever.

Agreed.  Is Graham going to forward your comments to that specimen of the
enlightened, non-divisive cultural elite whose posting on some other list
motivated this thread?

Steve Karlson
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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I was sitting at the dining room table in Winston-Salem, NC, having
lunch at home between classes when the news came over the radio.  I
will never forget the way the room felt at that moment.  My older
brother in Dallas was driving near Parkland hospital and stopped
at a traffic light.  The light changed and he moved across the
intersection just before the speeding motorcade passed through
just behind him, taking the wounded (or dead) president to the
hospital.  My brother didn't know what was happening until he
got home and heard the news.  When I was in Dallas in January,
he showed me the spot where he *almost* saw the car with the
near-dead president in it.  We went to the museum on the sixth
floor of the School Book Depository.  A major experience, going
there.  Highly recommended.
--ggs
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From:         leah <LEAH@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
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Nancy, you're welcome. I had to memorize that to recite for a third grade
assembly commemorating Armistice Day. (45 years ago!)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
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:> Oh, you floccinaucinihilipilificatrix you!
:> G

:Help, someone with a better vocabulary than me (or with access to an OED,
:Marty?)!  What does the above mean, please?  The <at-hand> AHD doesn't list
:it, and neither does the on-line webster.  I like to understand the name
:I'm being called.  :-)

I mean you were reducing our intelligent conversation to a trivial
level by making snide remarks about tushar being a twit. (Twice!).

G
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In a previous article, tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU () says:

>Some questions about names:
>
>>Zsuzsanna Budapest
>
>Is this a real name? Especially "Zsuzsanna" - is there a language where
>the name is really spelt that way?
>
I have no idea; the standard USer spellings are Susannah or Suzanna, or
something similar.  

>>Shekhinah Mountainwater
>
>I have been seeing names on this pattern lately, but sorry to say I have
>no clue about them at all. Is it a native American name anglicised? The
>surname, that is. The first name sounds vaguely Muslim (i.e. probably middle
>eastern), but honestly I have never heard it in India at least. Hmm, unless
>it is a variant of Sakeenah.
>
I'm betting the first name is Hebrew.  It looks like one that's used to 
refer to the "Glory" of God - a visible glow/fire.  If it is that word,
chances are this woman's original name was Gloria Rivers.:-)  It might not
be, though - she might have just liked the word, or her parents might
have.  Judith?  Bayla?  Any Hebrew speakers in here?

>
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: The word strac

I came up with two defs on strac, both via the Green Machine:
(US Army, Akio-san - I don't CONSCIOUSLY troll for Gleanings <tm>!)
1, Standards in Training Commission, and
2, Strategic Army Corps, with the addendum "Acronym has come to mean 'ordered'
   or 'neat'"  Yea, right...

JMW
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Original-From: mhwpa!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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>Ain't AT&T fun.  ;-)
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Not really.  It's pretty sad when a company this size and with its
pretensions to industry leadership can't install a NEW machine with
sufficient storage space to hold the traffic.  They seem to neither
know nor care that people see messages like this:

>UUCP request att!D.att01fe265 to mhwpa!D.att01fe265
>failed on system 'mhwpa'.
>Reason for failure:
>	remote system can't create temp file
>	remote file system is low on free space

...and laugh at them for their true ineptitude.

Ken
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