HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kqb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.q.brown)
Subject: Re: Identity Loss From Pre-Death Shock?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:34:00 GMT
X-Crossposted-To: cryonics mailing list

    ------------------------ Forwarded Message ------------------------

> From: hkhenson@cup.portal.com
> Message-Subject: CRYONICS Neurological damage
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:46:42 PST

In msg #1474 Steve Harris gives us good reasons to believe (in the 
case of a well attended cryonicist dying under expected conditions) 
that relatively minor neurological damage occurs before clinical death.  
His arguments are certainly well supported by the literature about 
shock; while other parts of the body (kidneys and liver) might suffer 
considerable damage from prolonged low blood flow, the brain seems to 
be rather well protected from similar damage--at least down to the 
point where breathing stops.  As a practical matter, I will quit 
worrying about pre clinical death brain damage. 

Unfortunately, only two of the last six patients had prompt and 
very effective restoration of well oxygenated blood flow to the brain 
following clinical death, so *post* clinical death neurological damage 
is still a serious concern.  I can go into the details of these cases, 
and look up more cases, if anyone is interested. 

Keith Henson
From: evans@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ethan Z Evans)
Subject: Time Article
Keywords: news
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:14:35 GMT

I quote from a blurb in today's time magazine: "... a group of U.S. biologists
has found a way to freeze living [fruit] fly embryos.  Not only does that
guarantee a stable fly supply, but it is a landmark achievement in another
sense: fruit flys are the most complex organisms ever to be lab frozen and
revived.  The technique could lead, albeit far down the road, to the freezing
of mammals -- even humans, maybe."

Does anyone know the who/what/when/where/how of this "landmark achievement?"

Ethan Evans
evans@ecn.purdue.edu

P.S.  My congratulations and thanks to this net community for its handling
of the "Poisonous Little Ice Dwarves" post.  Most net groups would go 
immediately to flaming, but this one generated not a one.

Newsgroups: sci.cryonics
From: tsf+@cs.cmu.edu (Timothy Freeman)
Newsgroups: sci.cryonics,news.answers
Subject: Cryonics FAQ 7: Cost of Cryonics
Summary: This posting contains a list of Frequently Asked Questions
   and their answers about cryonics, the practice of carefully preserving
   very recently clinically and legally dead people in hopes that they can be
   revived in the future.  It should be read
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:36:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.part7_725877379
Expires: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 08:36:19 GMT
Followup-To: sci.cryonics
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Supersedes: <part7_723198982@cs.cmu.edu>

Archive-name: cryonics-faq/part7

		     Section 7: Cost of Cryonics

(You can fetch cryomsg "n" by sending mail to kqb@whscad1.att.com or
to kevin.q.brown@att.com with the subject line "CRYOMSG n".  The index
to this FAQ list is cryomsg "0018.1".)

7-1.  Why does cryonics cost so much?

Alcor has available a 15-page $3.00 reprint on "The Cost of Cryonics".
Also, Appendix C of CRFT has the same title.  Here is a summary
from Page A-36 (which I rounded to the nearest 50 dollars):

                             Whole Body         Neuro
Remote Transport             $14,050.         $14,050.
Cryoprotective Perfusion     $13,400.         $11,500.
Laboratory Evaluations       $   950.         $   950.
Temperature Descent          $ 8,350.         $ 1,750.
Record Keeping               $   450.         $   400.
------------------------     --------         --------
Total                        $37,200.         $28,650.

Annual Liquid Nitrogen       $   850.         $    50.  "Bigfoot" Dewar
    Storage Costs            $ 1,700.         $   150.  Older-Style Dewars

The funds remaining after the suspension costs must be sufficient to
pay the annual liquid nitrogen costs from interest alone (which is
conservatively estimated as 2% in inflation-adjusted dollars).
The current fees ($42,000. for neuro and $140,000. for whole-body
approximate that well.)
Bear in mind that the above costs do not include extensive and/or
remote standby, which can be quite expensive, so everyone should
arrange funding in excess of the minimums.

Other organizations have lower fees.  There have been debates about
how much money is really needed.  (Citation?) 

7-2.  Is anyone getting rich from cryonics?  What are the salaries at these
      organizations like?

In December 1990, Cryonics magazine reported that the Board of
Directors of Alcor voted a 25% pay cut for all of the staff, so they
could keep their budget balanced.  Many of the Directors are also on
the staff.  The salaries after the cut ranged from $22,500 annually
for highest paid full-time employee (the President) to $14,400 for
the lowest-paid full-time employee.  None of the Alcor staff are
getting rich from their salaries.

7-3. *How do cryonics organizations invest their money to last for the long
      term?

>>> Question sent to Alcor on Fri Jul 24 17:34:44 1992 <<<
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) 
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Looking for copy of Fract
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) 

MP>Can anyone tell me where I can download a copy of the latest version of
MP>Fractint?

Matt, the latest version of Fractint is version 17.2.  It's been
around for awhile and should be pretty well all over the FTP and BBS
circuit.  It's available via FTP on SIMTEL and its various mirror
sites, for example (but I confess that I don't remember in exactly
which directory).

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
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 . DeLuxe./386 1.25 #343sa . Death is just God's way of dropping Carrier Detect
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Re: Looking for copy of F
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

>Matt, the latest version of Fractint is version 17.2.  It's been
>around for awhile and should be pretty well all over the FTP and BBS
>circuit.  It's available via FTP on SIMTEL and its various mirror
>sites, for example (but I confess that I don't remember in exactly
>which directory).

PH>Is that the 1990 version?  I found too many bugs in that one and have
PH>been looking for a new one.  Maybe if someone has source code???????

Nope, it's an early 1992 release.   The full source code is also
available via SIMTEL20 and its various mirror sites.

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
---
 . DeLuxe./386 1.25 #343sa . Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
                                                                           
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
From: scott@hpqtdpa2.sqf.hp.com (Scott Ferguson)
Subject: Volterra-Lokta Systems
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:32:05 GMT
Organization: HP,Queensferry Telecoms Division, Scotland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL7]

I've been trying to get an image of the fractal described on pages 125-127
in "The beauty of Fractals" book. I can get the correct basin of attraction
as shown in map 82 on page 118 but I cannot work out how to get the exact
internal detail of the basin. I have something close but its not the same.

It may hinge on my understanding of how to calculate when a point has
arrived on the `invariant circle' or it could be that it takes a lot of
iterations for this fractal to converge. Also I'm not sure what the difference
is between the attractors represented by a periodic orbit and an invariant
circle.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

                                      Scott Ferguson
From: jesjones@stein.u.washington.edu (Jesse Jones)
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Re: Mandella/Fractint
Date: 31 Dec 1992 02:22:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Keywords: Mandella Fractinit parameters

In article <1992Dec30.085522.20317@dorsai.com> emjay@dorsai.com (Michael J. Lavery) writes:
>	The version notes make reference to the ability of
>Mandella to read Fractint parameter files.  However, it seems
>that everyway that I try to read in a parameter, I get an error.
>	The Documentation other than the passing references does
>not provide any other information.
>	Does anyone know what format it is necessary to have the
>.par file so that Mandella can read it?

   Hi Mike,
   
   You've probably got some extra stuff in the par file that confuses
Mandella. Try deleting everything but the parameters. If it still doesn't
work email me a copy of the file and I'll find out what the problem is.

   I did some work on the par file support for version 8.2 (uploaded not
too long ago). The changes make par files much easier to deal with. For
example, when a par file is opened the user is presented with a scrolling
list so he can choose the one he wants to use. Then the Next File command
changes to Next Preset so the user can get the next fractal with one
keystroke. Also, a comment enclosed in braces is allowed at the beginning
of the file. (I'll change this in the next version. Apparently Fractint
treats any line starting with a semi-colon as a comment, so I'll use
that instead).

  --Jesse
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Re: Fractint 17.2: Intere
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

(discussing the zoom limit of Fractint...)

PH>Is there any way to increase this limit?  ...or do I have to start from
PH>scratch and write my own version of fractint?
PH>Just how many bits of fraction does fractint use?

If you zoom beyond the limits of Fractint's integer math algorithms, Fractint
quietly switches over to floating-point math.  Its precision limits
are essentially those of the Intel architecture at that point, and are
based on its ability to store the coordinates of successive pixels (in
'double' format) using different values.  (I'm on vacation and checking my
mail on a laptop that doesn't have a "C" compiler, so I can't dig
up the exact limit at the moment.)  To get around that limit,
you would have to rewrite Fractint (including its asembler routines)
using an alternate format - or use an Xfract port on a machine which has
more significant digits in its floating-point format.  The latter is probably
*far* easier.

PH>I also find a limit of 1000 on iterations to be rather small.

I'm confused - Fractint's current iteration limit is 32,768 (it would have
been 65536 had I not been stupid enough to use signed integers for a field
that never goes negative - maybe we'll fix that someday).

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
---
 . DeLuxe./386 1.25 #343sa . Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion?
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Re: Fractal Universe
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:20:54 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <hassink.725064011@manning> hassink@cs.UAlberta.CA (Hassink Brian John) writes:

>stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec18.175134.1@venus.iteb.serpukhov.su> kolombet@venus.iteb.serpukhov.su writes:
>>>Does anybody know somewhat about the term "Fractal Universe"?
>>>I want to obtain references to sci. papers too.


>>It is in Mandelbrot's book on the Fractal Geometry of Nature.
>>The clumping of galaxies appears to be fractal.
>>It is also another way of resolving Olber's paradox that the night sky
>>in a sufficiently old universe should be as bright as the surface of
>>the Sun.


>Well, the earth would have to be equidistant from the sun and other nearby
>stars for this to be true. And if this were the case, all sorts of frightful
>things would happen to us :)

Actually, everything (including the surface of the sun) should be a lot
brighter.  Imagine that the universe was static (not expanding) and homogeneous
on a scale of, say, 10^7 light years.  Then there should be no net flux of
light through a flat surface of this size.  Take six such surfaces forming 
a box.  Result: no net flux of light out of the box.   What happens to light
emitted by stars inside the box?  Well, it wanders around until it gets
absorbed.  Anything that's absorbing more energy than it's emitting will heat
up until it's at the same temperature as the ambient light (except for black
holes).  Eventually (and it wouldn't take very long on a cosmic scale, I
think) there won't be anything left that's cool enough to absorb more than
it emits.  It'll all be more or less at the same temperature as the 
radiation, which will just continue to heat up as the stars pump out energy.
After a while the stars themselves heat up until they explode or run out
of nuclear fuel. 

The point is, there has to be _someplace_ to get rid of all this energy the
stars are putting out.  The usual explanation is that the expansion of the
universe is creating more space to put it in.  Another possibility is that
the universe, with a fractal structure, could have a global matter density 
of 0.
-- 
Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
Xref: sparky sci.fractals:524 alt.cascade:3688
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:20:38 EST
From: Mike Tierney <MBT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: psu.flame,sci.fractals,psu.talk,alt.cascade
Subject: Circus midgets kill Fire Chief, film at 11.

The high numbers of girls in their early teens who become mothers,
especially in American cities, are responding to a pattern in human
evolution that induces people growing up in extremely stressful
circumstances to bear children early and often.  This controversial theory,
drawing on sociobiology, posits that teenage mothers are implementing a
reproductive strategy which, from an evolutionary viewpoint, is a wise
decision.

Jay Belsky, a psychologist at Pennsylvania State Univ., who is the leading
formulator of the new theory, believes that children who grow up in
dangerous conditions are encouraged to increase the chances of having their
genes survive into the next generation by choosing earlier sexual relations,
earlier motherhood, and more children.  One of the more noteworthy
predictions of the theory is that girls who grow up in households where
there is great emotional stress, and especially where the father is absent,
will undergo puberty at an earlier age than other girls.  We propose that
the time of puberty is regulated and influenced to some extent by these
earlier experiences, rather than being a fixed biological given, said Dr.
Belsky.
From: indole@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew Parker)
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Looking for copy of Fractint
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:38:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Hello,

Can anyone tell me where I can download a copy of the latest version of
Fractint?

Thanks,
Matt
indole@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
From: grweiss@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Robert Weiss)
Subject: Re: Fractint 17.2: Intere
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:39:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.074424.10220@netcom.com> pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) writes:
>bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) writes:
>>
>>PH>I also find a limit of 1000 on iterations to be rather small.
>
>>I'm confused - Fractint's current iteration limit is 32,768 (it would have
>>been 65536 had I not been stupid enough to use signed integers for a field
>>that never goes negative - maybe we'll fix that someday).
>
>I'm confused.  It doesn't go above 1000.  I just grabbed a new one about
>3 days ago.

You must have a pretty old version.  The iteration limit has been 32,768 for
several years now.

>Since you said "I", I take it you are the author.  Where does the OFFICIAL
>release get put up for ftp access?  I must have an old version or something.

Tim Wegner usually makes sure that the lastest version gets on wuarchive
(a mirror of SIMTEL) within a week of it coming out.  You can find 
Fractint 17.2 (the most recent version, about 6-9 months old) for ftp at
wuarchive.wustl.edu  in /mirrors/msdos/graphics/frain172.zip.

The source code which you asked for is also there, and the file is called
frasr172.zip.

>Since the file names on ftp site very rarely give the version, I have no
>clue as to which sites are up to date and which sites have just copied the
>file without preserving the date.  I list the sites from archie and then
>just pick the largest one that has the most recent date and on my own
>continent if possible.

Hmm, my experience with fractint ftp-ing (all three years of it) is that
the files always have the version number in them.  However, be aware
that you can't search archie for filenames with "fractint" in them; that'll
just give you listings for X-windows version (under unix usually, which 
supports more than 8 letter filenames! :-)  Try searching archie for 
"frain" (short for FRActINt).  It amazes me that some sites have versions
as old as version 12!  I do count about 18 sites with Fractint 17.2, so
you should have no problem finding it.

Assuming that you have an older version, I think you will appreciate the
greatly improved user interface! :-)

  --Greg
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Novice on Color Mapping Needs Help
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:38:34 GMT

Hello,

I'd like to create a 256 color map for Fractint 17.2 which very closely
represents the visible spectrum (~0.38 to 0.71 microns) - one could call it
a rainbow.  What I plan to do is to divide the wavelength range of visible
light into 255 discrete points (may not be evenly spaced), and then determine
the color mapping parameters for each particular wavelength.

The question:  how do I convert a particular wavelength in the visible range
to the three RGB .map parameters for use by Fractint?

Of course, if somebody's already done this, then I'd like to get the map, but
I'd like to know how to do it anywhoze.

Jon

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Newsgroups: sci.fractals
From: rpatil@nmsu.edu (Raj Patil)
Subject: Chaos and Computability
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: sci.fractals
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 10:16:22 GMT


Is Chaos more powerful in the Computability sence then Turing Machine. In 
other words: A *real* Chaos (not the discrete version) behavior can be 
represented using a finite description which can generate  a Language that 
is not generated by the other finite representations we currently have. (reg.
exp, CFG, TM etc). I should be actually talking about decidibility of a 
Language rather then its generation. But as i know a little bit about Chaos
is it not possible to find the starting point and the curve given the 
Language. I am refering a Language to a Fractal.

Based on this idea of Machines and Languages, is Chaos more powerful then
and Turing Machine? and is *real* Chaos Comuputable by Turing Machine?

Any ideas..

Regards

Raj Patil
New Mexico State Univ.
Las Cruces, NM 88003
From: shi6@quads.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Re: Fractal Universe
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:48:49 GMT
Reply-To: shi6@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <israel.725098854@unixg.ubc.ca> israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel) writes:
>In <hassink.725064011@manning> hassink@cs.UAlberta.CA (Hassink Brian John) writes:
>>Well, the earth would have to be equidistant from the sun and other nearby
>>stars for this to be true. And if this were the case, all sorts of frightful
>>things would happen to us :)
>
Even if the nearby stars are more distant from us than the Sun, the night
sky should still be as bright as nearby stars, as long as the universe is
uniform and static, and infinite. The reason for not being so
is of course due to the expansion of the universe and its finiteness
and due to that the universe we see might be fractal.
The expansion red-shifts all light so
they appear dimmer than they should be. The fractal struture (of
dimension 1.2) means there are less stars and galaxies when further away.
Current observations only suggest a fractal up to 100 Mpc.
Therefore the universe is still homogeneous beyond this scale.

>Actually, everything (including the surface of the sun) should be a lot
>brighter.  Imagine that the universe was static (not expanding) and homogeneous
>on a scale of, say, 10^7 light years.  Then there should be no net flux of
>light through a flat surface of this size.  Take six such surfaces forming 
>a box.  Result: no net flux of light out of the box.   What happens to light
>emitted by stars inside the box?  Well, it wanders around until it gets

The absorption length of star light totally depends on what the intestellar
medium is. It can be larger than 10^7 ly. It is an interesting toy model
of the universe though.
>absorbed.  Anything that's absorbing more energy than it's emitting will heat
>up until it's at the same temperature as the ambient light (except for black
>holes).  Eventually (and it wouldn't take very long on a cosmic scale, I
>think) there won't be anything left that's cool enough to absorb more than
>it emits.  It'll all be more or less at the same temperature as the 
>radiation, which will just continue to heat up as the stars pump out energy.
>After a while the stars themselves heat up until they explode or run out
>of nuclear fuel. 
>
>The point is, there has to be _someplace_ to get rid of all this energy the
>stars are putting out.  The usual explanation is that the expansion of the
>universe is creating more space to put it in.  Another possibility is that
>the universe, with a fractal structure, could have a global matter density 
>of 0.
>-- 
>Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
>Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
>University of British Columbia
>Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4

Sheldon Shi, AAC, University of Chicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 2 Jan 1993 00:23:34 CST
From: Rich Chong <U41602@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.fractals
Subject: Fractal sound?

I heard that there is a fractal tone that sounds like a tone of
a forever increasing pitch, but in reality doesn't.
Is there a name to this? Can someone post a sample or a generator?
Thanks.
Rich Chong
Newsgroups: sci.fractals