HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mmuhamad@widget.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malcom X
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:08:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


 nlatif@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu writes:
>
>"Malcom X" the movie, opens today in the States. From all the promotions n 
>stuff, this should be a good movie. Later. 
>

Hm....  Please dont mistake with the 'Malcom XL' or 'Malcom XXX' at the 
Times Square n 42nd street NYC :) - David Letterman



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ht1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Haw-Lin Tan)
Subject: To Mr. Ong Kian Ann in NUS (Singapore)
Keywords: NUS
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:05:24 GMT

Kian Ann,
    Hi! I have received your mail, and also, I had sent U mails but they were 
bounced back. I sent the mail to : ongkana@vms1.iscs.nus.sg <-- doesn't work!
If U would, please varified your address. I'll be home for Christmas this DEC.
Also, who else from Temasek Secondary is in NUS or NTU ? I would like to contactour classmates in 1/2, 2/2 too. Thanks!

Tan Haw Lin 
Mississippi State University
From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: SGP: Both DPMs have lymph cancer!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:47:11 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Radio Australia announced today (Nov. 16th, heard at 13:00 UTC) that
BOTH Deputy Prime Ministers in Singapore have malignant lymphomas
(spreading cancer of the lymph nodes). BG Lee is already reportely
undergoing chemotherapy.

This should start some jockeying within the PAP for the DPM
position(s).
From: nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Happy Christmas And Merry New YEAR !!!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:57:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <ins774h.722158794@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au> ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr. Thaddaeus) writes:
>s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Ming E Chew) writes:
>
>>Hello everyone,
>
>>Wishing you guys and gals a happy christmas and merry new year!!!!
>
>>Its never too early!!!
>
>>:)


Merry christmas too to all of you and also, have a nice Thanksgiving day and
Thanksgiving break to all of you in the States.  Chao.

Azli.
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malcom X
Followup-To: poster
Date: 22 Nov 1992 07:57:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <92326.233750C4B@psuvm.psu.edu> *Eat Me* <C4B@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> [ Stuff deleted.. ]

Come on guys. Just ignore him. He's just trying to strike up some flames;
anyway, he's a pretty lousy flamer. Tries to be smart-aleck but ends
up being boring. * yawn *

Followups to me.

Chua
+==+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Malcom X
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:14:40 GMT

In article <98191@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:
|
|"Malcom X" the movie, opens today in the States. From all the promotions n 
|stuff, this should be a good movie. Later. 
|


Not again! I am just sick of those Elvis and JFK movies. The 
newspaper reviews will be flooded with this type of movie againd. 
I think a movie on Othman's life would be far more interesting to watch.

 
            
--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
From: ctan@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Charles Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Motion.... Please Vote!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:42:08 GMT
	<1992Nov17.162121.20946@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University

In article <1992Nov17.162121.20946@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh) writes:

>	I won't go that far. I believe in diversity of 
>    opinion.  If evrybody think Pak 'o' opinion doesn't
>    weight a dust , then i suggest we ignore him.
>    Sofjan Mustopo


I agree....Nobody should be prevented from presenting his/her arguments.
I have always found Pak "O"'s postings (hmm..) refreshing..like
a shot of Naked Gun Tiga Suku in between hours of CNN coverage..


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (  ( (( Stereo Where Available )) )  ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Charles T. Tan                     |
Robotics and Machine Vision        | E-mail: 
Graduate School of EE/CE/CSE       |    ctan@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu
Northeastern University            |    ttan@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
Boston, Massachusetts              |    ctan@r2d2.coe.northeastern.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Motion.... Please Vote!!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:40:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov16.012358.13656@latcs1.lat.oz.au> koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay) writes:
>
>	After reading Pak Othman's latest posting on his "deep" and "complete
>research on the qualifications of Dato' Anwar Ibrahim and the statement of
>"...ignorant Chinese...", I would like to urge all readers of this newsgroup
>to vote on this motion that:
>
>	"Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"
>
>	

Well, there's no feasible way we can stop him posting. Anyway, USENET is
for freedom of speech. Like The Ku Klux Klan, we'll just have to put 
up with him. Just ignore his postings if he really gets to you, and don't 
be tempted to flame. Doesn't serve much purpose except give you heart 
burn....

And of course, remember that there are people like him out there. If you 
haven't yet met his type in M'sia or S'pore, you will, so consider this
potty training.....

Chua
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: fadzil@athena.mit.edu (Mohd F Zakaria)
Subject: Why the double standard?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:15:34 GMT

-- 
I have been a little distressed at the number of postings on this net requesting or endorsing
censorship.  True there are a few contributors whose ideas are not well accepted by many
other readers, but does this give the latter the right to throw these contributors of the
network?

Maybe if readers do not have the choice of skipping messages, censorship could possibly be
tolerated.  I believe everyone on the net has the ability to skip postings he does not wish
to read; exercise this ability instead of telling  people to leave the net.  My advice is:
if you feel you can not read postings by certain people without subsequently calling for the
net to ban these people's views, skip the stupid messages.  Save yourself, and the rest of 
the network, the shame of being petty censors.

Thank you.

Mohd F Zakaria
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,aus.flame
From: c9110499@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You want to barter my soul? You mean it's worth something? Here, take it...)
Subject: How to be an Othman in 10 easy steps.
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:19:10 GMT


Here it is.

I have finanlly finished all that I need do, and now have the time to post
this useful step-by-step guide for all those aspiring Othmans out there.  :)

This is, "The 10 Step Guide to : How to be an Othman"

		
		1.  Get NEWS access.  [most important...so people can hate you]
		
		2.  Find a newsgroup that accomodates your country, as well
		    as some others.  [see later]
		
		3.  Find a really controversial topic, involving your race,
		    and religion.
		
		4.  Involve as many races as is possible in one posting...

		5.  Involve as many poeple of other religions as possible...

		6.  Claim all others not of you race or religion or both are,
		    inferior, biased against your race, biased against your
		    religion, and support all kinds of causes that they couldn't
		    possibly support [ie: ethnic genocide, mass murdering,
		    basically anything really outrageous...use your imagination
		    and get some good stuf...]
                
		7.  Get your access cut, so that they think you have been
		    lost from the net for good.  [by this stage they should
		    they should already think you are just plain lost]

		8.  Get your access back again.

		9.  Find a really controverial topic...

		10.  Repeat steps 1 to 7.

Good luck to all you potential Othmans, I hope this posting helps you on
your way to greater world wide notoriety and infamy.  Remeber, NOT EVERYONE
CAN BE AN OTHMAN...IT TAKES A SPECIAL BREED!!





Fal.
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (Albert Yu             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Movie addicts...
Summary: World's number 1
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:33:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.By6xBu.GpM
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Hiya Singaporeans!

Did you know that Singaporeans have the worlds highest rate of cinema
attendance???

Average of 7 movies per person per year!!!

Just for the first 8 mths, it has been reported that 12.3 million movie
tickets sold!!!

Wow!!! Are we addicts or what?

Al...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: hung@sp92.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gih-Guang Hung)
Subject: Re: Foreign maids in Singapore
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:23:50 GMT

mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:

>The latest episode however was how they were
>prevented from congregating at the Lucky Plaza(?).
>In this case, perhaps there are obstructing
>the shoppers? On the otherhand aren't these
>people shoppers too? I hope by this time
>the problem has been resolved and they are 
>no longer prevented from congregating there.

The last issue of STOE (Oct 24) that I read said that the "obstructions"
have been removed and that the maids are back in Lucky Plaza again.  
According to the report, the obstructions were put up to repair a water 
leak.  Regardless of the reasons, it is good that they can go back to their
usual hangout place now.  However, I pretty much prefer the government to
erect more comfortable and yet unrestricted facilities where they can hang 
out in a more relaxed manner rather than standing along the corridors.  
Personally, I do not like to go shopping in crowded atmosphere regardless 
of the composition of the crowd.  Of course, people tend to congregate
at places where food and merchandise are within reach ... :-)

>I hope, being more affluent and lucky people,
>we should treat them  better. After all they 
>are also human.  They being your maid actually 
>have contributed to your well being. Perhaps the 
>very fact that this story is carried in the ST
>is a sign of compassion and interest in their 
>plight.

Agreed ! Moreover, most maids are a very integral part of the family, taking
care of the meals, babies, laundry etc and I hope Singaporeans will even 
extend the same respect as they would to their own members.  My auntie's
family have their maid dine with them.  Albeit a small step, it would foster
mutual trust and respect and pave the way for a better environment for all.

>-Mann

_Gih-Guang Hung
--
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Gih-Guang Hung (Email : hung@csrd.uiuc.edu, ghg0602@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
  Center for Supercomputing R&D. U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: low@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Ong and Kheng Low)
Subject: Anybody knows Malaysia Cup final result ????
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:42:34 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,alt.culture.indonesia
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: E. Timor & Indonesia
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:37:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.174740.104331@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jb00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSE ANTONIO BASTO) writes:

|
|Farther away (or closer, in Indonesia referential B-), the Dutch invaded our
|territories (and that included many others islands, like Sunda and Flores) and
|W. Timor. Why did they stopped at E. Timor border? You don't need to be a
|genius to understand that with war at home, at our main colonies (Brasil and
|Africa), that Portugal was not in position to concentrate any forces at E.
|Timor... The point is that ANOTHER people was not interested at all in being
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|invaded by the Dutch and their West Timor allies...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Are you saying that the Javanese and West Timorese were 'interested'
in being invaded by the Dutch? And East Timorese were NOT 'interested'
in being invaded by the Dutch, but were 'interested' in being invaded
by the Portuguese? So, according to your version of history, the Javanese
and West Timorese invited the Dutch to invade them. The Dutch were
going to invade East Timor but the East Timorese were not 'interested';
and that's why the Dutch stopped at West Timor eventhough the Portoguese
did not have any resources to defend the colony. The Dutch and the Portuguese
must have been a bunch of gentlemen, I can't understand why they killed
each other.

I find this amusing. The East Timorese invited Portugal to invade them;
and the Javanese, West Timorese and others invited the Dutch to invade them.
Where and when did you learn this?


PS. I crossposted this to alt.culture.indonesia


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
From: mmuhamad@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malcom X
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:25:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92326.233750C4B@psuvm.psu.edu> C4B@psuvm.psu.edu (*Eat Me*) writes:

>Wowowowow... chill out ? Hmm, it's not winter yet, but it is getting colder
>as we approach December 21st. 

Yeah! We're all well awared of that!!

>Oh well, from now on I will start wearing a jacket when I go out. 
>The 'hot' stuff should come off easily then.. will it ?

Ah hah! I can see there are some sense of humour inside you but no offense 
yours are so obtuse. I thought I was gonna laugh but ..... 



-Zaki Muhamad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: CHECK THIS OUT, OTHMAN
From: *Eat Me* <C4B@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:11:19 EST
Organization: Penn State University


In article <1992Nov22.055711.2396@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu
(sofjan mustopoh) says:

>In article <92325.165532C4B@psuvm.psu.edu> C4B@psuvm.psu.edu (*Eat Me*) w
>ites:
>>In article <1992Nov20.071017.5486@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mmohamme@nyx.cs.
>u.edu


>  So What with it. ?????????
>  What grown up got to do with nyx .

Nothing.

Satisfied ? Hmm, I was surprised you didn't say "Get a life" to me. And I was
upset. I was counting how many people would say that to me. Oh well...

Later
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (Albert Yu             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Significance?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:32:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxtKq0.AAC
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Hiya!

I'm very disappointed with the numerous bashing, etc. issues in this
newsgroup! I wonder what is the true significant of this newsgroup?
Shouldn't it be involved in cultural issues? Examples like local
development, education, etc. After reading a couple of articles, I just feel
bored to hell! Nothing interesting at all! All there is are something like:
"Yasmin... Osman's...Chinaporeans...." What is this?
P.L.E.A.S.E.!!! Do think it over ok?
Thanks!
Al...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Pay TV in Malaysia
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:02:50 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

To all netter, does anyone know what is this new tv channel is
all about ?

I'm quite sure its not satelite tv as satelite dishes are banned anyway.
Could it be cable tv or something ?

What are the programmes that you get. MTV perhaps ?

If any of you know about this pleeeeeeaseeeeeeeeee .... send a posting
at least it keeps the newsgroup from being overcrowded with all those
racial stuff which everyone already knows.

===victor===

-- 

== victor == Faculty of Law ==================================================
=== teo ==== University of the West of England, Bristol ======================
JANET: vcs_teo@uk.ac.uwe.csd ==================== WORLD: vcs_teo@csd.uwe.ac.uk
From: limc@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (MAX THE EMPEROR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian????????
Keywords: Malaysia for Malays, more likely
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:25:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Will you give the guy a break?  In case you didn't realize, he was just trying to

stop all this racial argument but then he got flamed sooo bad....

     The thing I don't understand about this newsgroup is that why are the

readers so hostile?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c9110499@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You want to barter my soul? You mean it's worth something? Here, take it...)
Subject: Re: Othman's argument
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:34:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.064853.15623@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> Whyareyousoscaredtoquotemywordssidebyside.Youevendeletesomephrases.Letmequote
whatIhadwrittensidebyside.

I have just quoted Mr Othmans words side by side.

Fal.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: wilson@solomon.technet.sg (Wilson Leong)
Subject: Re: How to subscribe to SIFlash (SIF- S'pore International Foundation)
Organization: TECHNET Unit (Singapore)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:08:45 GMT

Richie L C TEH (teh@latcs2.lat.oz.au) wrote:
:     OK, in the Nov 7th edition of the Singapore Straits Times (Overseas Edition),
: there was an article entitled "News link-up for overseas students".
:      Here it is:
: 	" A NEWS bulletin linked to an international computer network has been
: launched to inform overseas Singapore students about happenings back home.
: 	The bulletin, SIFlash, was started by the Singapore International
: Foundation (SIF).
: 	Overseas students can receive it free of charge on their university computers if theyr are connected to the Internet computer network.
: 	The news, updated twice weekly, will be culled from Singapore newspapers
: and magerzines like the Straits Times, Business Times and the New Paper".
: 
: 	This sound very interesting for us homesick S'poreans. Please,
: anyone who had any info regarding this service please email me or post it to
: this newsgroup. Thanks!!!!! 
: 
: 
: -- 
: Richie   ( that's me....)
: 


Yes you sure can!
It is available on solomon.technet.sg via the internet gopher.
The articles are under the menu:

 	Singapore - Island, City, State/ -->
	SIFlash


SIF moderates these files on the gopher server regularly. If you have any
queries, just e-mail to siflash@solomon.technet.sg. I'm sure they will be
delighted to answer any questions that you may have.


Have fun!

--

*** Wilson Leong ***

Technet Unit, Computer Centre       Internet:  wilson@solomon.technet.sg
National University of Singapore 
Singapore 0511			    Telephone: (65) 772-6524

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Malaysian News
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:57:23 GMT

Rosli Bin Khairon (khairon@usc.edu) wrote:
:     I was just wondering where you got the Malaysian papers from. It is
: not that I don't appreciate the fine work these unsung heroes of the net
: have done in posting Malaysian news, but if you read them closely, those
: who post the news have added their own slant to the news. Without getting
: too deeply philosophical here, the selective witholding of information 
: can be construed as lying. I cannot speak for others, but my personal 
: feeling is: Let ME add my own slant to the news, thank you very much. 
:     So, please, if anyone should know of where I can subscribe to a 
: Malaysian paper, drop me a line.
: Los Angeles la Pueblo Nuestra
: 
The guy who posted the Malaysian News actually posted them as they are.
Nothing added or even deleted. He actually managed to get a lot of correct
phrases from the various articles. He chose the hot news,usually front page
news.
	I can verify that since I read some of the articles posted and even
watch Malaysian and Singapore TV.
	However there are a lot of missing information in Malaysian Newspapers,
which you can get from Singapore newspapers and from colleagues and friends,
relatives.
	In fact the problem with the Malaysian News is that he got only from
Malaysian sources, or isn't it.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Motion.... Please Vote!!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:10:45 GMT

>In article <1992Nov16.012358.13656@latcs1.lat.oz.au> koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay) writes:
>>	After reading Pak Othman's latest posting on his "deep" and "complete
>>research on the qualifications of Dato' Anwar Ibrahim and the statement of
>>"...ignorant Chinese...", I would like to urge all readers of this newsgroup
>>to vote on this motion that:
>>
>>	"Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"
>>
>>	

You can vote your heart's content and still he can post.
If you find him revolting, don't read his post or respond to
his post.  I think that's the best way to silent him.
Many are complaining that  the level of flame is high but
many are still very interested in participating.
Why don't you bored guys take over and post something exciting. 
If enough of you do it, you may drown the noise.

-Mann
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ckuan@fraser.sfu.ca (Chiow Min Kuan)
Subject: Also testin-lah
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:31:51 GMT

Also testing-lah!
From: htng@ece.cmu.edu (Hiok-Tiaq Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Motion.... Please Vote!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:43:42 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: htng@aries.ece.cmu.edu



In article <1992Nov16.012358.13656@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay) writes:
|> 	After reading Pak Othman's latest posting on his "deep" and "complete
|> research on the qualifications of Dato' Anwar Ibrahim and the statement of
|> "...ignorant Chinese...", I would like to urge all readers of this newsgroup
|> to vote on this motion that:
|> 
|> 	"Othman Ahmad & dogs' postings not allowed"
|> 
|> 	


Nay I say.............................. I would allow the dog.
Just kidding. Everyone should be allowed to post, no 
matter how much disapproval is heaped upon the fellow.
After all,  you don't want to be like some governments
and muzzle free speech, right?

Hiok-Tiaq Ng