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From: bramson@psy.psych.nova.edu (Jennifer Bramson)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Love for the wrong reason
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:22:43 GMT

mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep24.122219.1144@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_arthurjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>>Namely, that this woman only wants a guy to father her child.

>Believe it, budd. Take it from somebody who just attended the wedding
>of a friend who got this treatment, women can do this.

>Trust me on this.

>Nineteen years old, and now he has two kids to worry about. Not good.

Yes, women may not take necessary precautions to prevent pregnancy.  It's not
always as calculated as suggested above.  Regardless, guys, it's your obligationto yourself to make sure that pregnancy doesn't occur.  Just as we women heard
(and laughed) at the old lines from the 50's -- "trust me" or "I've got it taken
care of" or "I'll pull out" -- and are being taught that only we can protect
ourselves, well, you guys should do the same.  CONDOMS!!!!  Even if she's on 
the pill, that won't protect you from AIDS.  So wise up.  Stop blaming the 
woman, and take responsibility for your actions!  And if that's not enough, the
surest way to protect yourself is ABSTENTION!!!  (Or creativity!)


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Jennifer Bramson			"Glitty glot gloopy
Center for Psychological Studies	libby labby looby
Nova University				la la la lo lo..."
bramson@psy.psych.nova.edu		-- courtesy of HAIR
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From: mlb@CISCO.COM (Marcia Bednarcyk)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Help, I'm stuck without an SO!
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:48:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.214734.18713@unislc.uucp>, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
|> Don't bother flaming me - it's true.  Any woman who falls for a guy because
|> of his "sexual/power aura" is an idiot.  The smart ones are the ones who
|> take the time to see what's behind the mask, what's behind the facade, before
|> committing themselves.

It sounds like you think this "sexual aura" is a bad thing. I don't. I think
it has its place, like most everything else. There are times when you go to
a party, and you're *NOT* looking for a lifetime partner, you're looking to
flirt, dance, have fun....and men with this aura are an awful lot of fun. They
can make you sparkle.

No, it's not more than skin deep, and it's rather painful to mistake it for
something deeper. But sometimes the fantasies are a lot of fun. 

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Marcia Bednarcyk                                        ADDRESS: mlb@cisco.com
"Sweaty Snugglebunnies."
"... the meaning of life is to be happy, try not to hurt people, and hope
you fall in love."
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: opposite of misogyny?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:35:15 GMT

  most nice guys know misogyny is wrong and we tend to respect women
most if not all the time.  but what's getting me down is that not only
is it o.k., but it's also fashionable for women to hate men and for
many men to join in this man-hating binge.  the double standard hit me
a few weeks ago and it really saddens me.
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: American High School & bits (long)
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:51:27 GMT

dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley) writes:
> 
> However, some points still confuse... (follow-ups to 
> soc.culture.american? Nah... :-))
> 
> >	6) Junior Prom
> >	7) Senior Prom
> 
> What is 'junior' and 'senior' (I know about proms now, but not the
> difference between J. and S.). Are there only 2 years in high 
> schools? Are they equivalent to what we'd call in my part of the 
> UK, '1st year' and  'fifth year'? (Fifth year is the last 
> compulsory school attendance year,  about 16 years old; 1st year is 
> about 11 years old.) What ages do they cover  (J. & S.)?

American school systems usually go like this:
	pre-school			(not manditory)
	kindergarden 
	elementary school 		(1st thru 6th grade)
	junior high/middle school	(7th & 8th grade, middle school 
					 includes 6th grade as well.)
	high school			(9th thru 12th grade)

if a student enters first grade at 6 s/he'll be 18 by graduation.
the 4 years of high school are often referred to as "freshman, sophomore,
junior and senior" years. the same designations carry over to college,
but the names are based more on credit hours earned than how long
you've been there. so we end up with things like 5th year juniors
and (the rare) 3rd year seniors.

jason "3rd year junior, just like he's supposed to be" steiner

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From: naveena@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Naveena Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Topic of discussions in alt.romance
Keywords: regarding sizes
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:26:29 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

Hi folks
	I totally agree with Neil when he says that there are other groups
to discuss male and female sizes on, like as in alt.sex. Maybe we should
just stick to romantic stuff and keep out the rest.

Just MHO
Naveena Michael
From: isar@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:15:14 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <BvF8Gu.MDs.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tomault+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Galen Ault) writes:
> In article <HROSE.92Sep26134408@rocza.eff.org> hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
>>
>>I think this is a very sexist statement. Physics is "out of the
>>ordinary" for *both* genders, not just women. It's not Joe Random Person
>>who takes Physics in college (or even in high school, for that matter). 
>>It's people who are *interested* in it. Who have a "knack" for it. 
> 
> Helen, this disregards one of the basic realities that I have to live with
> every day.  Your right in that the average person doesn't find physics
> interesting, but given the subset of people who are interested in physics and
> pursue it as a major in US colleges, the majority are men.  This is not a
> sexist statement, this is a statistical fact.  If one uses statistics on
> majors to predict interest in physics, then one can say that many more men
> in American society are interested in physics than women.
> 
> Unfortunately, this generalizes to most Engineering programs.  In my
> department here at CMU, there are four -- count them, four -- women, out of
> fifty-four graduate students.  Back at the U of I, my major (computer
> engineering) was 90% male, and the Engineering college (about 6000 undergrads)
> was about 70-80% male.  (U of I= University of Illinois).
> 
>>
>>--Helen
>>--
>>Helen Trillian Rose             	<hrose@eff.org, hrose@kei.com>
>>Electronic Frontier Foundation   	email eff@eff.org for EFF Info
>>Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Flames to: 
>>Systems and Networks Administration	women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org
##################################################################################

  The male/female ratio in engineering/science faculties is decreasing steadily.
In fact, this (and medicine) is where most educational progress has been made
in the last two decades (according to Statistics Canada).

  I really enjoyed all my physics courses, both in High School and university,
but let me tell you, I had to put up w/ a lot of ribbing in Physics 30!
Even the teacher (a male chauvinist if I ever saw one) used to ask us girls
(there were about 6 of us in a class of 30) if we had just made a wrong turn and
we really meant to be in Home Ec.  Only after it became obvious that we were
amongst the best students in that class did we get a little respect.  It was
all done very humourously, of course, ha ha ha, gufaw gufaw, etc., etc. You
get the picture.

  Anyway, only one of us went on to Engineering; the others took up Social 
Sciences and I ended up in Physiology and Biophysics.  And even if we can't 
charm the quarks off your protoplasm, I'll be willing to bet we'd all give you 
a run for your neurons (and more!) any time of the day (or night)!  I've never
heard of a concept so inane, that of judging one's IQ by their profficiency in
the hard sciences!  In fact, brightest person I know of my generation happens to
be a Social Psychologist...


I.

 
 
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From: lls@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lori Smallwood)
Subject: Re: What do you want from us?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.130312.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>I think what might help us guys is if you women would tell us what you're
>looking for.
>--Ray

Oh geez.  Well, I can't speak for anyone but myself, but one very important
thing that *I* look for is perception:  being able to read my feelings (no,
it's not hard, at least not with me :) and respond to them.  I
think that shows a lack of a massive ego, and understanding and caring for
the partner, two other desirable traits.  I hope this helps.  :-)  

-- Lori


---
These opinions are MINE!  ALL MINE!
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Long Distance Romance... Problem
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:19:00 EST

p00139@psilink.com (Raistlin Majere) writes:
> >g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON) writes:
> 	
> It boils down to one thing - human beings are simply a higher
> animal and will always opt for the selfish possiblities in 
> any given scenario.
> 
> Three words sum up the female species:
> 		
> 		Capriciousness, Treachery, Duplicity.

and here's a few more to sum up men:

"I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such 
 things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very 
 proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offences at my beck than I 
 have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or   
 time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling 
 between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of 
 us."

from, of course, Hamlet

jason "gotta love online lit servers" steiner

--
     "Why was I cursed with a woman like you? You're my misery! 
      A knife in my heart! Come on, we can discuss this later. 
      Let's just get married." - Adam, from the best episode of
                                 Northern Exposure
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From: bushmanangel@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Long Distance Romance... Problem
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:12:59 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <2926723602.1.p00139@psilink.com>, p00139@psilink.com (Raistlin Majere) writes:
>>
>>In article <g92h7147.29.717189474@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON) writes:
>>>
>>>* What comes first... carrer? Or love?
>>>
>>Depends on the person.  In my vast experience :) , men choose their careers and
>>women choose love.  Obviously, this doesn't hold true for everyone, but it is
>>what I have seen.
> 
> 	Wrong. I chose love - she got scared and chose career(school).
> 	
> 	It boils down to one thing - human beings are simply a higher
> 	animal and will always opt for the selfish possiblities in 
> 	any given scenario.

Did it ever occur to you that what seems selfish in the short run can be 
very giving in the end?  My SO and I both have very important careers to 
pursue (at least we think they're important).  We're also enlightened 
enough to realize that if we do not build our own lives and truly discover 
our own individuality, we will never be happy subordinating our other 
interests to each other.  Because we both desire higher learning (college 
and life experiences) we are both bound to have more to share when we meet 
again later in life.  Certainly the distance sucks!  but it is only 
temporary.  

If I moved from here to where he is in Georgia and tried to 
find "some job" just so we could be together, I'm certain our relationship 
would deteriorate rapidly.  By making my career a priority, I believe I am 
giving our relationship a chance to thrive.  He loves me because I am an 
individual and a strong woman.  I wouldn't love myself if I sacrificed my 
dreams for his, nor would he love me for denying myself.

> 
> 	Three words sum up the female species:
> 		
> 			Capriciousness, Treachery, Duplicity.
> 

You haven't met all of us yet.


>	Raistlin Majere @ Tower of High Sorcery 

Angela
From: p00139@psilink.com (Raistlin Majere)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: To my girlfriend
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:45:26 GMT
Organization: Tower of High Sorcery - Palanthas
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Fri, 25 Sep 1992 07:34:15 GMT
>FROM:   IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN <c9036984@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>
>
>I once fell in love. And that love went sour. But that is behind me
>now, like a forgotten nightmare.

	Yeah, I had the same problem. It's a *bitch* isn't it? 
	(definite pun intended)

>Justine, you are the most special thing that has EVER happened to 
	<Lots of drivel deleted>
>Know that I love you Justine.
>With all my heart.
>And I always will.
>
>With you baby, everywhere is heaven
>
	Oh give me a fuckin' break...............
>Words are never enough.
>Love
>Scott
>
*****************************************************************************
		"In my eyes, reflected, the death of
		 all the world...the torment of all
		 humanity..........."
*****************************************************************************
		Raistlin Majere @ Tower of High Sorcery - Palanthas
*****************************************************************************
From: p00139@psilink.com (Raistlin Majere)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic songs
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:52:54 GMT
Organization: Tower of High Sorcery - Palanthas
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   21 Sep 92 12:08:17 CDT
>FROM:   Christine Nelson <nelson@eastrg1.cray.com>
>
>In article <1992Sep15.003133.20940@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer) writes:
>|> >how about.....   Romantic songs for those in LDRs??
>|> >a few that come to mind:
>|> >"Weekend in New England"   Barry Manilow
>|> >"Nights are Forever without you"  England Dan and John For Coley
>|> >"Someday We'll Be Together"  Diana Ross and the Supremes
>|> >"Missing You"  Michael Bolton 
>|> "Come Monday" Jimmy Buffett

	Well, I spent a year in an LDR with the she-bitch of the nether-
	regions. I've got a few selections for you, sweetie;

	I Don't Believe in Love - Queensryche
	Shiver and Shake - The Cure
	Get the Fuck Out - Skid Row
	Black Celebration - Depeche Mode (The whole album)
	Digging in the Dirt - Peter Gabriel
	Another One of My Turns - Pink Floyd
	Don't Come Around Here No More - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
	That's Just the Way it is, Baby - The Rembrandts
	So, You Think You're In Love? - Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians
	The Last Beat of My Heart - Siouxsie and the Banshees
	Eat this Bitch - 10 Hearts in Hell

	Bitter? Who, me?
	<Insert "Malevolent, Mocking, Satanic, Laughter"[tm] Here>
*****************************************************************************
		"You are an evil and vicious man. You have
		 no heart, you have no soul. You would murder
		 without a second thought. You are cruel-hearted,
		 twisted, and warped. You are an agent of evil
		 and a servant of darkness.....You mock everything
		 that is right or good. You are an abomination
		 in the eyes of God. I would not be suprised,
		 in fact, that you are the Anti-Christ."
				   - From my admirer on "talk.religion.misc"
*****************************************************************************
		Raistlin Majere @ Tower of High Sorcery - Palanthas
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>
>"Somewhere Out There" Linda Ronstadt and ___?___
>"I Miss You" Climaxx
>"How Am I Supposed to Live Without You?" Michael Bolton (remake)
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Female Size as opposed to Male size
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:39:39 GMT
Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany
X-Reason: This message has been reposted because of configuration errors at heaven7.in-berlin.de.

In article <1992Sep28.100038.18623@walter.cray.com> nelson@eastrg1.cray.com (Christine Nelson) writes:
>"most women don't like having their cervices pranged."
>what, pray tell, does that mean?

"Cervix" means

a) the neck (not, that's not it :-)
b) any necklike part, esp. the constricted lower end of the uterus (THAT's it!)

My dictionary doesn't know the word "prang", but the whole business is about
the tip of the penis touching the cervix, an event said to be very painful
for some women.
-- 
___*___  Martin P. Ibert - Westendallee 100 d, D-1000 Berlin 19 - +4930 3056541
=======  E-mail to martini@{heaven7.{in-berlin.de|sub.org}|cloud9.in-berlin.de}
||| |||  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
||| |||  ------ Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die ------
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic Birthday Suggestions Needed
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:32:06 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>	My girlfriend's birthday is coming up, and I want to make it one
>she'll never forget; I'm not looking for a smile and a tear, I want to
>melt her heart.  She's very romantic, and while I'm not without my romantic
>side, I could use the aid of experts.
>	So I would be extremely grateful if you Gods and Godesses of Romance
>would share with me the wisdom of your experience.

If you have the money (last time I checked in the neighborhood of $100)
how about a hot air balloon ride?  If you are in a place that has leaves
changing now it can be especially beautiful from the air.  You traditionally
get a bottle of champagne (cheap sparkling wine, most likely) upon landing.
Two of you up there in the dawn (or early evening, but dawn is a better
shot) with the pilot ... truly something she will always remember.
From: naveena@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Naveena Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: How to tell if you are in love
Keywords: Infatuation
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:47:34 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University


Hi again folks
	This question of how to tell if you are in love has always baffled me.
But more so as to how to distinguish between infatuation and love.... When you
are infatuated with a person you FEEL that you are in love with that person,
right?
	And somebody suggested that we wait and find out...well for how long
does one wait??.  What is a SURE sign that you are in love with the person
and not just infatuated with them.

Naveena
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: daw@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dave Webb)
Subject: PLEASE!  I desperately need you help!  Help me keep this love alvive!
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:43:55 GMT

I desperately need some help and advice.  I have been dating a Jewish girl
from New York for the past 2 months and have developed a wonderful relationship
with her.  We have spoken of marriage and spending the rest of our lives 
together.  We see each other as often as possible, I've been to New York several
times, she's been down here (Baltimore) and we went on vactation together to
Florida.  The problem we are now facing is her parents.  They are conservative
jews and forbid her to date non-jews.  Well, too late for that.  The problem we
now are facing is when and how to tell her parents.  She confided in her sister
(she has three) and the one sister she confided in told her that the news of her
dating a non-jew would kill her parents.  She said that they would never accept
me and for her just to end it now before things get any more serious.  She also
mentioned something to her father directly.  The exact words were, "Dad, what 
would you do if I dated someone who wasn't je
					     wish?"  Her father's response was,
"I'd throw you out of the house"  (She is 24 and is living with her parents
until she finishes school next May)  Well that was that.  So now the choice she
is forced to make is between her parents and myself.  She has already told me 
that she can't give up her parents because they've always been there for her
and she can't hurt them after all they've done for her.  She is very confused
and needs some direction.  She loves me and doesn't want to leave me either..
the feeling is mutual.  I hurt for her because of everything she has to go
through.  We kind of broke up this weekend because she didn't want to hurt me
more later.  It was a very sad time.  That really wasn't what she wanted, so
we decided to continue our relationship as it was.  I need to hear as much
advice and suggestions as you all can come up with.  Things I've decided:
She should contact her rabbi and have HIM help her break things to her parents,
We need to come up with a very positive way to introduce me to her parents.
I've thought of conversion and her sister thinks that even that wouldn't do any
good for her parents acceptance.  Anyway, I'm very in love with this girl and
can't stand the thought of losing her... especially since things are going so
well.  PLEASE help me!!!  What choices do I have?  What choices does she have?
Suggestions? Hints?  I'm DESPERATE!  Help me to keep this love alive!  PLEASE??

			Thanx in advance,
					Dave Webb

        je



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From: maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna)
Subject: Advice-Summer romance
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:31:50 GMT

I've been reading this newsgroup for a little while, and I'm hoping someone
can give some advice.

During the summer I met a guy - we worked very closely together and got
along really well.  Of course romance bloomed.  When we met I knew he had a
girlfriend, but was under the impression that the relationship wasn't going
to last much longer.  The relationship was wonderful - we were good friends
as well as lovers, and everything seemed perfect.  He told me he cared a lot
about me, and I felt the same way about him.  Unfortunately at the end of
the summer we were going to different schools and wouldn't see eachother
very often.  We decided to see what would happen, just kind of wing it while
we wew baack at school.  
     Well, I'm now back at school.  I haven't heard from him yet, and I'm
very confused.  Mutual friends have told me he's getting along better with
his girlfriend :(  so I don't know what to think.  I really care about him
still, and I should probably just forget him (like my friends tell me to)
but I can't.  He was the first guy I can honestly say I almost loved, and
everything seems so unfinished.  I've written him twice, telling him how I
feel, and am just waiting to hear from him.  How can I find out what's going
on in his mind?  How can I stop thinking about him?  I told him things I've
never told anyone, and right now I feel cheated.

Anyways, before I get all depressed on all of you, I'll end the story.  If
anyone has any advice or has gone through this too please reply!  I'd really
appreciate it!  Thanks in advance! =)

D.M. =)
maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca


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