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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Answer to Mr John
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:19:42 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep30.182346.2505342@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>They are lies and fantasies because they hurt you deep where it
>really hurts, and shows the shamefull acts and stands of 
>many RICH GULF PIGS.

Yeah ... :^)

>I have seen nothing that is "lies and fantasies of Anisa".  All of
>her words are full of honesty and eagerness to help the helpless
>abroad.

Shookran jazeelan ... :)

Racism and Bigotry.  Rich Gulf Pigs.      Racism and Bigotry.
Rich Gulf Pigs.      Racism and Bigotry.  Rich Gulf Pigs.
Racism and Bigotry.  Rich Gulf Pigs.      Racism and Bigotry.
Rich Gulf Pigs.      Racism and Bigotry.  Rich Gulf Pigs.

>You know the number, why don't you say it instead of trying to hide
>behind Anisa's lack of info to the exact outragious number.

Because Anwar doesn't want to perpetuate the obvious stereotypes ...

>The number is not the problem, the problem is:  He marries only
>vergins, normally for a few days or less, then he divorces them, AND NO ONE
>CAN MARRY THEM AFTER HIM. HOW SHAMEFULL; MAY HE BURN FEE NAR JAHANNAM
>BE-ITHNIHI TA`ALA.

And the other obvious problem ... that is un-Islamic to marry more
than four wives - even two if you cannot treat them equally.

May Allah be the Best Knower of all things and delegate justice where
justice is due, insha'Allah ...

Anisa
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Violence mounts in southern Lebanon
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:24:58 GMT

Article reposted from soc.culture.lebanon (thanks to Ayman I. Kayssi)
> [ Article crossposted without permission ]
> [ Author was UPI ]
> [ Posted on Sun, 11 Oct 92 6:48:18 PDT ]
> 
> 	TYRE, Lebanon (UPI) -- Israeli artillery pounded Shiite villages near
> the southern city of Tyre Sunday after attacks by Muslim guerrillas on
> pro-Israeli forces at the edge of the so-called security zone, security
> sources said.
> 	Six gunmen and at least seven civilians were wounded in the violence,
> the sources said.
> 	The Islamic Resistance Movement said its guerrillas planted a large
> bomb that blew up against a patrol of the Israeli-backed South Lebanon
> army militia on Rashaf hill at the edge of Israel's self-declared
> security zone.
> 	Six SLA gunmen were wounded and their M-113 vehicle destroyed in the
> explosion, a statement said.
> 	Another squad of Muslim fighters fired machine guns at an SLA
> position on the road of Beit Lif at the edge of the security zone, it
> said.
> 	In retaliation, Israeli artillery bombarded the villages of Yater,
> Yarin, Barachit, Hadatha and Teir Harfa, east of the southern port city
> of Tyre.
> 	Sources in the U.N. Interim Force in southern Lebanon said at least
> 50 Israeli shells crashed on Yater and Barachit, wounding at least five
> civilians.
> 	Lebanese security sources said two people were also injured when 25
> shells hit the villages of Haris, Kafra and Hadatha.
> 	The heavy shelling set fire to a number of houses and cars, witnesses
> said.
> 	The attack was the second in less than 10 days. Last Sunday, three
> high-ranking SLA officials were killed in twin attacks by Muslim
> guerrillas on the Beit Yahoun passageway.
> 	The 2,500-member SLA and some 1,000 Israeli servicemen patrol the
> nine-mile border enclave. Israel established the security zone when it
> withdrew the bulk of its troops from Lebanon in 1985 to curb cross-
> border guerrilla infiltration attempts.
> 	The Islamic Resistance Movement, the military arm of the pro-Iranian
> Hezbollah, has pledged to combat Israel and the SLA until the complete
> liberation of southern Lebanon.


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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Homeland
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:22:26 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

I was reading through the Washington Report and saw a picture of
two women, Ghada Karmi and Ellen Siegel, each holding a sign that
read:

	"I am a Palestinian Arab  I was born in Jerusalem
	Palestine is my Homeland but I cannot return there"

	"I am an American Jew  I was born in U.S.A.
	Israel is not my Homeland but I can 'return' there"


The caption above the pictures identified the women "in front of
the Israeli embassy in London in 1973 and 1992".

Anisa
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Arab Jews are ARABS
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:36:10 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <Bvpry7.GIn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
=>jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>
=>>In article <BvM5nD.GBM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
=>>=>kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
=>>=>
=>>=>>     Also, there are certain areas in Israel where non-Jews are not allowed,
=>>=>>BY LAW, to live there.  Such as the village of CARMIEL, where non-Jews are not
=>>=>>allowed to live there nor are they allowed TO OWN A BUSINESS (this is the so
=>>=>>called Israeli DEMOCRACY !!!!).  Not only that, now that village have
=>>=>>incorporated the land of three neighboring ARAB villages (in an effort to make
=>>=>>the entire area PURE JEWISH) and are forcing the Arab inhabitants out of their
=>>=>>villages.
=>
=>>=>Can you provide a source for this?
=>
=>>Glad to help, Ed:
=>
=>>"Report on Visit to Karmiel as Scholar in Residence", Prof. Raphael Jospe,
=>>report to the American Zionist Federation, April 1, 1982.
=>
=>I don't have time to look this up right now.  I would be greatful if you
=>quoted me the relevant section.

I see - you don't have time to read something, but you think I have time to
type it in. Think again!


-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          Vommen
                                             Bladmagen
                                   Loepmagen
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Answer to Mr John
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:54:17 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct04.055143.2415129@locus.com> nkjle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>In article <3950@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>Aren't you lucky you were not one of those detainees/hostages that
>had to kiss him upon departure!

:*D

>>with Saddam Hussein.  He is so devistatingly handsome.  I would
>
>He is?  He certainly looks better than Thacher (sp? of UK) , Arafat, or
>Barbra Bush.

I used to think Arafat was pretty nice looking until I saw him
without his kuffiyah!  :-)  When I told my girlfriend that I
thought he was handsome, she said, 'well, almost everything *evil*
is attractive' ... :o

>>love to do more than just kiss him.  Maybe I can send him a
>>lock of my hair for his birthday ...
>
>What is a lock of your hair anisa?

Didn't you hear about some young Iraqi women sending Saddam a
clipping of their hair for his b-day last year?

>>Did I make your day?
>
>You sure did. He's so glad you confested your fabricated feelings as 
>he wishes them to be.

:-)  I'm so glad there is someone with a sense of humor in tpm ...

>>Are we happy over there in Copenhagen, insha'Allah?
>
>I don't think so, its too damn icy and cold in Copy`gn in October.
>Doesn't he wish to be in Sunny Los Angeles?  Ne na ne ne na. 
>Icy and cold in October may apply to you anisa as well, am I right?

I was gonna say 'not yet', but it seems that it is becoming this
way even sooner than I expected - tomorrow it is supposed to snow :(.
I love the cold but not the snow.   At least the snow clears the air
and pollution, unlike L.A.  Ah!!  :-)

Anisa

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout)
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:16:24 GMT

>In article <1992Oct14.055318.2438984@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John 
>Elghani/10000000) writes:

>>the land and wanting to reinstante Judea  as theirs.  Why don't they
>>leave it to its natives.

>     Well, you know, if King Hussein didn't enter the 1967 war,
>     the Palestinians could have owned Judea.

     Well, the Palestinians owned 93% of the land in Palestine (in 1948) but
still were kicked out by the the Zionists in.

> (Manu)

Wa Salam
--------------
Khaled J Shammout
From: spinoza@next07wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: To Yigal Arens
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:08:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.182642.24442@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
> 
> 
>      Whom do you think I respect more:
>            A) a person (such as Yigal) who's overcome prejudice and  
learned
>               to love and repect his enemy (and talk the truth about  
them);  OR
>            B) a person (such as yourself) who always lies about the  
truth and
>               is soaked with hatred?????
> 
>      Need I provide you with the answer?
> 
Which begs the question: do you therefore respect the Israelis and condemn  
the actions of the Arab leaders like Hussein and the Emir?

peace, love, and crunchy granola.............

jeff
From: shaig@merlin.think.com (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:29:12
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: peewee@infoserv.com's message of Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:39:48 PDT

In article <25aPsB3w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: To Yigal Arens
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:01:45 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Oct14.174748.23804@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.003514.24058@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>>kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
>
>> > Thank you Yigal Arens for shedding the TRUTH, and nothing but
>> >the TRUTH. To be fair and unbiased now a days is very hard; and you
>> >are unique, Yigal.
>> >^^^^^^^^^
>> >Thank You     Wa Salam             Khaled Shammout
>
>>Yigal is not Unique.
>> His friends to the Marxist underground MAZPEN are still just like
>> him.               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>     Whom do you think I respect more:
>
>   a person (such as Yigal) who's overcome prejudice and learned
>   to love and repect his enemy (and talk the truth about them) ..
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Wa Salam              Khaled J Shammout


What do you Khaled know that we don't know.
How can you say that he love and respect the Jews - his enemy?

His underground Mazpen was involved in a terro activity aginst jews.
Mazpen members, together with the Syrian intelegence plane exploding the
Frotarum chemical plane near Haifa and by that poisonong by a
poison-gas  (chlorine ) the jews of that area.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Arab, non-Arabs, and criticism of Israel/Jews
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:47:21 GMT

Khaled J Shammout writes:

#     The answer is VERY VERY VERY simple, Danny.  It has nothing to do with
#being a Palestinian (in particular), an Arab (in general), a Muslim, a MIddle
#Eastern, or anti-semetic. 
#     IT IS A MATTER OF KNOWING AND SPEAKING THE TRUTH.

Dear Khaled,

I think you missed my point. It is quite logical to assume that there
would be criticism on the net, both against Israel and against its
neighbours. All share guilt, to a certain extent.

Nontheless, it is strange that some posters who are neither Arabs
nor Moslems take a much harsher, one-sided, and cruely antisemitic
stance, much more than the large majority of Arab/Moslem posters,
who are, after all, much closer (in geographic and/or emotional
terms) to the mideast conflict. The fact that these posters often
criticize the Jewish communitty in the US, or in general, on matters
which have nothing to do with the middle east, suggests a simple
explanation to this phenomena.

Naturaly, you see these posters as allies. That's understandable.
We are bashing each other on the head, and someone comes from the
outside and bashes me on the head, you will see him as a friend.
But try to analyze his behavior and motives *objectively*, you
might see him in a different light, and ask if it is really
your friendship he is seeking.

#Wa Salam

Salam Alaikum and Shalom,

-Danny Keren.
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Serbia etc.
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:40:30 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Oct6.160641.6732@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
=>In article <26595@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>#Article in todays "Guardian":
=>#
=>#Serbs court Jewish veterrans as 'natural allies'
=>#
=>Oh, Germy, you are becoming a nuisance. Quite a few posts on tpm have
      ^^^^^
          I think I can just about remember being upset when people made
          fun of my name. That was in the first form at school. By the
          time I entered the second form, I'd realised that it was
          too childish to bother with, but hey, if it gives you pleasure,
          go ahead. If you want, you can laugh at my hair, as well, `cos
          I just had it cut.

=>addressed the tragedy of what is happening in Bosnia, it was condemmned
=>both by Israel and Jewish organizations outside of Israel. Furthermore,
=>Israel, which is not a rich country, flew aid and doctors to help
=>refugees in those areas.
=>
=>So what was the goal of your idiotic post?

Obviously, to point out that those posting condemnations of the Serbian
actions do not speak for the whole Jewish community, and to highlight
the natural affinity of the proponents of "ethnic cleansin".

=> And what is the goal
=>of your posters in general? The more I read you, the more it seems
=>the guy who suggested you to "f**k off, a**hole" was right.

Emphasising once again the difference between "reading" and "understanding".
Yesterday I made 2 posts. One was that cited above, and the second was simply
to provide a reference for someone who had asked for one. Any problems with
that?

-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          Vommen
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From: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:41:50 GMT
Reply-To: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I don't know the numbers, but it's getting up close to a thousand Arabs
killed in clashes with Israeli soldiers, and nearly that many murdered by
their fellow Arabs.  Over the last couple of years, far more Arabs have
been murdered by other Arabs than have died in clashes with Israelis.
-- 
bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:34:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.015203.13774@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>#I believe Sandra Rayes posted these figures not too long ago.  It was
>#from the Washington Report, and dated July 1992:
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Isn't this the same violently anti-Israeli rag that Arf keeps quoting?
>If he says its reliable, I say its bullsh*t.

The Washington Report is a respectable magazine, enjoys a broad readership
and many experts contribute to it.  Many of these experts are well-recognized
current and former diplomats, US Congressmen, and multi-government employees.
Because YOU happen not to agree with the opinion of WRMA's editors and
contributors does NOT make it a rag.  I don't care if Arf or whoever reads
it...

You guys quote from questionable pro-Israel sources all the time. At least
allow us the right to quote our sources without hearing malicious UNPROVEN
slander.

This is definitely an "Arf" technique to irk people, Danny, and frankly,
I am surprised it came from you....I thought better of you.

>
>#	DEATHS						1,045
>
>I remember someone posting about 800, + about the same number of
>Palestinians killed by Palestinians. I would also note that the
>very large majority of the IDF related deaths occured at the
>beggining of the riots and that there has been a sharp decrease
>since.

Are we talking REALLY about Palestinians, or IDF forces in disguise to\
LOOK like Palestinians.

>
Btw, I want to point out that WRMEA is reprinting monthly these
statistics which are reported by the Palestine Human Rights 
Information Center based in Jerusalem and Chicago.

And if you still don't want to believe this organization, perhaps
I can refer you to Amnesty International.

Sandra.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: MEQ #7: Israel and the Sinai, 1953
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:47:23 GMT

      MEQ #7.  If only...

   Ben Zvi [President of Israel --bdm] raised as usual some inspired
   questions...such as do we have a chance to occupy the Sinai and
   how wonderful it would be if the Egyptians started an offensive
   which we could defeat and follow with an invasion of that desert.
   He was very disappointed when I told him that the Egyptians show
   no tendency to facilitate us in this occupation task through a
   provocative challenge on their side.

   Source: Diary of Moshe Sharett (then Foreign Minister, later
   Prime Minister of Israel) 10/11/53.  Quoted by L. Rokach,
   Israel's Sacred Terrorism, p14.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Middle East Quotes is an occasional series of quotations on Middle
East history.  The editor does not necessarily approve of the sentiments
expressed in quotes, nor will he necessarily join in any discussion
they engender.  Contributions are welcome but will not necessarily be
accepted.  Full sources are essential.      Brendan McKay.
From: rivk@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Water sovereignty: West Bank
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:15:12 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct6.171208.19793@yang.earlham.edu> bent@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>
>     I am seeking any information about the water sovereignty talks 
>held between the Israeli, Jordanian and Palestinian delegations.  Please 
>send me E-mail or post replies in this newsgroup.

There isn't much. All parties involved are keeping the details very
quiet for now.

>				Benjamin Tanner 
>			     bent@yang.earlham.edu                                     

	-Nora
-- 
"Light one candle for those who are suffering pain we learned so long ago..."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Serbia etc.
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:48:45 GMT

jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
#(Jack Schmidling) writes:
##
##While browsing through a seed catalog, I noticed that the nice folks
##who censor and control such things have changed the name of a very popular
##cultivated flower from Wandering Jew to Wandering Gyspy.
#
##Anybody have any idea why?
#
#Simple enough. Not enough gypsies died in death camps to pay for even a 
#little compassion, let alone to pay the rent on a brand new "homeland".

Oh, Germy. Why don't you quit this nonsense? Who said that "Not enough
gypsies died in death camps"? Who made the decision to change the name
of the flower (if the original information is correct)? The international
Jews? What do you think about the expression "Wandering Jew"?

Did "the Jews" ever express any objection to a homeland for the
Gypsies? I am interested to know.

Just for the record, I posted a lot about the extermination of the
Gypsies in alt.revisionism. Anyone interested in this issue can
check there.

You are improving, though. After comparing Israel to Nazi Germany
and asserting that Jews are "proponents of ethnic clensing" I
expected you to start quoting from the "Protocols of the elders
of Zion". Your poster, although idiotic, insulting and pointless
as usuall, is rather tame in comparison.

-Danny Keren.
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Violence mounts in southern Lebanon
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:35:50 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <2m0FsB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>
>I'm particularly interested in following the UPI, now that the Saudis
>have bought them.  I wonder if they'll ever publish anything from,
>say, Anisa, about Saudi repression of women.  Highly doubtful...

Hmmm ...  Back to our old debates Phil?  :-)  I will certainly keep my
eyes open for anything on that.  Who knows?  Now that the Gulf countries
are becoming more favorable in the eyes of the U.S. after the War, perhaps
the United States will pressure Fahd, Sabah, and the other iron-fisted,
sexist sheikhdoms to loosen their grip and allow more flexibility and social
reforms where women are concerned.  You can start by educating yourself in
Islam and of the non-Islamic laws in countries like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
You can enlighten other people and voice your concerns to newspapers and
to local senators and congressmen/women to stop supporting such
discriminatory regimes.

Anisa

>"If there's one thing worse than a right-wing chauvinist book-burner,
> it's a left-wing feminist one."


Is that your quote or someone else's?  How do you feel about newly
reformed feminists?  :-)
From: kirjner@tucker.berkeley.edu (Carlos Kirjner)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Date: 11 Oct 1992 06:19:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kirjner@tucker.berkeley.edu (Carlos Kirjner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tucker.berkeley.edu

In article <4031@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>,
aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:

> 
> >Any estimate for Israeli deaths? 
> 
> That isn't the issue.  Don't try to change the topic.  We are discussing
> Palestinian deaths in the intefadeh.
> 

I don't want to take part in the polemic about the respectability of
different sources, but I must say that when I wrote the original article
on the subject above I did ask (and haven't got any numbers yet) how
many  Israelis (soldiers and civilians) had been killed during the
Intifadah.  

I also would like to know estimates of the number of Palestineans killed
by other Palestineans, if such estimates exist.

Thank you.

> 
> Anisa
> 

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