HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk
Subject: Chart 12.19
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:01:55 GMT

Hi there,

Here comes this week's chart again.

==============================================================================

Commercial Radio Chik Chak Single Chart Top 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

10. Lui Fong            Please go with me [qing3 ni3 gen1 wo3 zou3]
                        {tsing nei gun ngor dzau}

 9. Andy Lau Tak-wah    Alone [du2 zi4 qu4 tou1 huan1] {duk dzi hui tau foon}

 8. Grasshoppers        Goodbye Rainy Days [zai4 jian4 Rainy Days]
                        {dzoi geen Rainy Days}

 7. Sally Yeh &
    George Lam          Choice [xuan3 ze2] {suen dzak}

 6. Andy Lau Tak-wah    Pretend [jia3 zhuang1] {gar dzong}

 5. Andy Hui Chi-on     Like you 'coz you're yourself [xi3 huan ni3 shi4 ni3]
                        {hei foon nei si nei}

 4. Lee Kwok-cheung     Still loving you [yu2 qing2 wei4 liao3]
                        {yu tsing mei liu}

 3. Prudence Liew       Let me look at you longer
                        [zai4 rang4 wo3 wang4 ni3 duo1 yi4 hui4]
                        {dzoi yeung ngor mong nei dor yutt wui}

 2. Shirley Wong        No more kidding [bu4 zai4 er2 xi4] {butt dzoi yee hei}

 1. Jacky Cheung        Still think you're the best
                        [hai2 shi4 jue2 de2 ni3 zui4 hao3]
                        {waan si gok duck nei dzui ho}
==============================================================================

OK, here you are, though not as long as the charts before, but still hope you
will all like it.

Last but not least, hope you all a happy holiday and a wonderful new year!


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City Polytechnic of Hong Kong
Division of Humanities and Social Sciences
Higher Diploma in Translation and Interpretation (Year 2)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
From: yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen)
Subject: Re: An easy Chinese Chess puzzle 
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:59:21 GMT

In an earlier post, I wrote :

>Since it is near Christmas, let's have some fun and no more politics.
>I post a Chinese chess puzzle below which I came across some years ago.
>It is not extremely difficult, but have fun anyway.
>
> 3   R------ ------N      Legend :
>     |\     |     /|        R -- Red Rook
>     |  \   |   /  |        N -- Red Knight (Horse)
>     |    \   /    |        K -- BLACK King
> 2    ------K------
>     |    / | \    |      Puzzle :
>     |  /   |   \  |        How can red win without moving its pieces
>     |/     |     \|        outside the square (ie outside the boundary
> 1   N------ ------R        shown).
>                            (Of course the challenge is to do it in the
>     A      B      C         least number of moves!)
>
>(In order to facilitate discussions, I have marked the rows as 1-2-3 and
> columns as A-B-C.)
>
>Cheers and have a Merry Christmas.

In order to make it not "extremely easy", namely, RED wins in one move
(e.g. C3-B1 : stalemate, hence a win for RED), I should impose another
condition that I forgot to mention :
  -- That RED has to put BLACK in check in every move.
Sorry for the ommission.

Daniel (yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: RESOLVE HONG KONG AIRPORT DISPUTE
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:36:54 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson
Originator: raymond@jupiter

Aviation Week & Space Technolgy's Dec. 14/21 issue has this editorial
about Hong Kong's airport and the urgency that it is needed.

In the same issue, the Airline Outlook associated the disappearance
of the cockpit voice recorder to the Asian concept of "saving face".
-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
From: caryho@cis.rand.org (Cary Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Clubs in Hong Kong
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:46:46 GMT
Distribution: usa


 Hi netters, this is probably a little premature on my part but I am
 thinking of going back to Hong Kong sometime next year.  I'd like to know
 what are some of the best clubs/resturants for music and people watching
 etc.  The last time I went to H.K. was five years ago and my friend took
 my to that famous lounge at the Regent Hotel and I had a blast just
 looking at the habor and the people, and the es'cargot(sp) wasn't bad
 either :-).  Thanks.


***************************************************************************
 Cary K. Ho                       *   Still trying to catch up to my
 caryho@cis.rand.org              *   reading so I can quote somebody!
***************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: andchan@newton.amath.umanitoba.ca (Andrew Chan)
Subject: Lee Kwong Yiu's speech at Hong Kong
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:04:39 GMT

Apparently he spoke openly against the policies of the governor, I
tend to think this is a true example of "interference of the internal
policies of another country", of which CCP often accuses other
countries of such.

I heard him saying "Hong Kong deserves democracy, but as in life,
we often don't get what we deserve".

I say we don't need another dictator telling us what to expect.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:37:00 GMT

In article <1ge5l9INNk27@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec12.015009.763@objy.com>, cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:

>|> Just about all consulting contracts went to British companies.  That
>|> is a fact you could find in say, The Nineties Magazine (June or July, 92).
>|> However, not all construction contracts are awarded to the British
>|> companies, some went to Japanese and other countries.

>|> -cw-

>I don't see why so special about it when HK is a British colonies and HK itself
>cannot provide the expertise. US projects would first favour US companies, 
>German projects would first German companies.

>Lin Can

That is only if the respective local companies could tender competitive bids.

I don't think people expect no project is given to the British companies,
but the one-sideness is astounding.  There has been a well-publized 
case that Hyundai bid of HKD$ 550M was rejected in favor of a British
consortium's bid of HKD $700 M!  This is only the most blatant case.  Who
knows what is going on for other construction and consulting projects?

[The govt projects in HK (I think in US also), are tendered based on the cost 
of the bid once the the company has been qualified to do the job (i.e. allowed
to bid).  Lot of international companies have participated in public and 
private construction projects in HK in the past].

You also have to understand the cost of Airport Project has been revised 
significantly upward twice, and there is tremendous pressue to contain the cost.
Many people worry that with the inevitable cost overrun, there would little
money left for the cofer of HK after 1997.  When cost is a real concern 
and the govt is showing little interest in containing it by playing favors
to the British companies, you could bet that there is all sorts of complaints.

-cw-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eric@tsunami.jpl.nasa.gov (Eric Huang)
Subject: test, please ignore
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:05:52 GMT

This is a test. Please Ignore.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen)
Subject: Re: Forged Account Name
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 02:28:02 GMT

eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Humphrey Hui) writes:

[DEL]
>
>Some people from PRC even said it was natrual and around 30% of the 
>postings used forged account name. [I don't know what groups he reads, but
>you can have your wild guess.]
>
>Anyway, does anyone out there have such experienced on forged account?
>
>BTW, what kind of mentality is that to used a forged account name to
>post/mail something could be insulting? Is it usual for the computer
>administration to ban such forging?
>

I guess using falsified account name is not uncommon in certain groups.
There are even instructions of how to do it posted earlier.  I read the
following in soc.culture.china some time ago :

 -------- FORWARDED MESSAGE --------

To post anonymously is neither high-tech nor hacking. Hacking is something
original, not many people can be ranked as hackers.

1. find your local host running nntp server, using 'df' or just check the
   first host in "From:" field in any of your 's'aved news article.

2. type
	telent nntp-server nntp (or 119)

3. inside the telnet, type
	post

4. To make a header like this article, you need to input:
> Path: beijing!china
> From: a@b.c.d
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
> Message-ID: <0010@b.c.d>
> Sender: a@b.c.d
> Originator: a@b.c.d
> Subject: anonymous posting
> Organization: dontcare
> Distribution: world
> Nntp-Posting-Host: nntp-server

Some explanation:
    'Path:' will be appended to the real Path: and From: fields, make it
            difficult for someone to trace the originator. I didn't use
            any real site names for the field in this posting, so you know
	    where this posting is originated.
    'From:' use at least three fields after @, so the real address not appended.
    'Me..-ID:' must be unique for each posting.

5. leave an empty line with the header, and start your text.

6. put a single '.' at the begining of a line to end your input and post it.

7. Have fun!!!!!!!

 ------- END FORWARDED MESSAGE --------

For obvious reasons, some people would want to post anonymously (you and I
are lucky and have no such a 'need').  I guess anonymous posting is
understandable and acceptable as long as it is used responsibly.  The
submission should address the issues being discussed rather than being used
as a means of irresponsible personal attacks.  Unfortunately I have seen
a lot of postings recently (in both soc.culture.hongkong &
soc.culture.china) which have broken this guideline.

Cheers.

Daniel (yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Date: 14 Dec 1992 12:44:45 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <1992Dec5.012833.5414@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>, ctyau@cs.cuhk.hk (YAU Chor-tung) writes:
|> fren1027@wc18.yorku.ca (Ming He) writes:
|> 
|> >### On 3 Dec 1992 11:59:38 +1100, jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) said:
|> >% NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
|> 
|> 
|> >% All you people seemed not knowing what CCP had done to China, what CCP had done
|> >% to China was by far much much more damaging than the British did 100 years ago.
|> >% Please keep your focus on the present important issue, namely, the democracy
|> >% of HK and that of China, the prosperity of HK and that of China. Criticising
|> >% the British of what they have done 100 years ago doesn't make people feel
|> >% comfortable to accept the CCP after 1997.
|> 
|> >% Maybe you should criticise the construction of Tai A Chau nuclear power
|> >% station than minor issue like Tuen Mun light railway system.
|> >                                           
|> 
|> I don't quite understand.  Are you saying that I cannot comment or
|> criticise anything if there exist another thing worse?  I do not like
|> the Dai Ya Bay nuclear power plant (Tai A Chau is an outlining island

Thanks for the correction of the name.

 |> in H.K.), the legco did vote against the construction (except some
|> guys like Tam Wai Chu).  I live in Tuen Mun and I feel suffering, can't
|> I make some complaint?

There are more important issues we are talking about here such as democracy
after 1997, your district affairs should be kept in a district level.

Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Any wishes at Christmas time?
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:15:20 GMT

Hi, Christmas time is near, and everyone is busy preparing how
to celebrate Christmas, right? (or just preparing for the exam? :->)
How do you celebrate your Christmas? Anywhere to go? Any wishes at
this Christmas time?
I love Christmas holiday a lot. I don't know why, but just kinda
like it.
From: CHUCYJ@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:57:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

>
>In article <920414170415@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, CHUCYJ@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
>|> >jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>|> >
>|> >
>|> >>In article <1992Dec9.025204.17338@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>, iu051@cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:
>|> >
>|> >>Utterly simple-minded, in the 90's,  CCP is a bigger evil than the British as
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >>far as HK is concerned, there is no REAL freedom, but the freedom and liberty
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >>in HK is by far a lot higher than that under CCP rule.  What do you mean by
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >>REAL freedom anyway? Tell me which country has it. If you just use the term
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >>philosophical, then forget about it.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >
>|> >>Do you really want to sacrifice all the freedom, no matter how little as you
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >>think we have in Hk, merely because of a simple-minded nationalistic sense,
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >>this doesn't even mean that you are patriotic.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >
>|> >If there is no REAL freedom, that means there are many many forms of freedom.
>|> >Right?  ( - T H E  R E S T  D E L E T E D)
>|> >
>|> I do not understand this implication.  Can somebody justify it for me??
>|> Maybe it is true if we arrange the statements in a slightly different way:
>|> i.e. If there is only one form of freedom, then it is the REAL freedom.
>|> I am confused in how this can chage 'philosophically' into the above statement
>|> There are also many many forms of government systems (authoritarian, demo-
>|> cractic, you name it), so there is no REAL government, and then no government
>|> in this world is REAL and has the authority to rule??
>|>
>|> Jim
>
>Please be careful with the quoting, only those underlined belongs to me.
>Thanks.
>
>Lin Can
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

==============================================================================
SORRY, mate.  I apologise for that.

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: My dismay II (Chris Patten)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:44:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong

In article <3472@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
> cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
> 
>>Talk about the priviledge of the British, I read this from the autobiography
>>of the chairman of YaoHan group (Bak Bak Poon or Eight Hundred Friend).  His
>>book mostly talked about his vision of the 21st Centuary and he wanted to
>>build YanHan as an international group with a stronghold in the booming China
>>market.  So he move his headquarter to HK in ~1990.  The move was greeted 
>>with lot of enthusiam from both the British, the local Chinese and the mainland
>>Chinese.  He related a couple of stories (my paraphrase):
> 
>>1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
>>   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
>>   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
>>   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
>>   home to him, a Japanese ...
> 
>>2. .. he was invited to join the VIP members of Jockey Club .. he was the
>>   only Japanese ... the others in the VIP club that he can see are all white ..
> 
> He. He .. He...........
> 
> I wonder what have Lin Can , Ho Sampang , etc . etc. ..... got
> to say now !  May be they will argue (just for argument sake) that
> they are scare of height. I know you will come out with some
> intelligent answers (not stupid answers like mine); being excellent
> defenders of your masters.
> 
> You people from Hongkong ( most of you anyway) have a sick
> attitude which no word in the dictionary can describe well.
> 
> 
First point is not ture.  Quite a lot of HK rich people also have houses
there.  In adddition, Peak is not the only area for rich people at the
present time.

Second point is not true too.  From Next Mag. (Probably an issue in last 
summer), some famous HKites are there.


I think there must be some difference in living style between the rich
white and Chinese HKites.  You can use the same argument to promote
racial conflict in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, .... Tibet, ... Canada,
USA,...
As a person living in HK for more than 20 years, I don't have a feeling
of racial problem between white and Chinese HKites.

Eventhough you can prove there is some racial problem in HK,  the best
way to solve is totry to inprove the relationship,but not try to
suppress the other side again.

Raymond Kwok
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Voices for the shadow government before 1997
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:03:20 GMT

In article <o87PTB5w165w@gnct.com> garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng) writes:

>BTW, there needs to be a machanism to hand over HK to China some how. May be
>we netters can have a little discussion on how it should be done ?

>This is a practical problem facing HK(well in the coming years) and this is
>a newsgroup about HK isn't it ?

>-gary

Excellent observation.   I feel that much attention has been diverted to
the current debate of political reform, and not enough has been given to 
on the practical issues of implementation of the transition to Chinese
rule.

The transition is going to be much, much more complicated than say, the
transtion between Bush and Clinton.  Despite the change at the top,
ther is considerable continuity in US's policy, interest and even people
working in the govt.  The US laws, the treaties and the agreement between
US and other countries/parties will continued to be valid.  Such are
not all true for HK in 1997.

My understanding of The Basic Laws and the JLG are on the policy level
and does not cover the nut-and-bolt of implementation details.  If we
think all we need to do is to change the flag on July 1, 1997, things 
will be alright, we are going to have a rude-awakening.  We know switcing
operating procedures or installation of a new system in a company could
take a long time to get used to, switching HK from British-rule to
Chinese-rule is going to be a tremendous task.

Simple thing like reprinting of all Govt stationery (at least to get rid
of things like On Her Majesty Service) and stamps is going to take a while.
I don't even know if we need to change the name of the streets and places
like Queen's Road, Queen's College, Kings Park.  How is the govt to function
when many senior officicals are likely to leave at the same time?  How
is the police going to function when the senior police offices are likely
to have say bye-bye?  Will HK be paralysed for at least a few more months?

My experience with my last employer during a merger is that things never
really got done during this period.  Lots of meetings, discussions, 
reviews and replanning.  The organization is basically paralysed for
a few months until the dust is clear.  [Meanwhile, of course, we all
told our team members to continue doing what you have been doing, but
we all know that the productivity is approaching zero at the time.  There
was simply too much uncertainty.]

-cw-
].
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: "Hui Shek Wai" <s902843@hp720a.csc.cuhk.hk>
Subject: This is a test for the CUHK's system, pls. ignore!
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:11:32 GMT

Sorry for posting such a foolish message here for testing, but I don't know
why I cannot post message with my name and address by using the utility
provided by CU. So I send by mail.

Best Rgd.,
Taylor S.W. Hui

P.S. Square Bread, can you hear me?
From: Samson.Luk@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Samson Luk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: testing :)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:50:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Dec 15 07:46>, Kelvin Leung of 6:700/1 writes:

 KL>        Also, don't bother calling Samson's BBS (sorry, Samson 
 KL> ;-).  His BBS is -always- busy.  I have been sitting in front 
 KL> of this darn computer for 3-4 hours, trying to get thru just 
 KL> to post this message.  

My system crashed this early morning due to a batch file bug... it was just
a coincidence :-)  BTW, you can also try 390-6133, your account valid on both
systems.  Have you ever tried the Offline Mail Reader?  You can use whatever
editor you want and read/reply news in your own machine.  Go to File Area# A
for more detail...

Hope you enjoy FidoNet!
 
Regards

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cheung@tympani.unx.sas.com (Clement Cheung)
Subject: Access to the internet from HK
Originator: cheung@tympani.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:08:20 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.



I will be spending a month in HK. I would like to know if there is
a way to get an account to login to a node on the Internet, free access 
or not.


Thank you.
From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:13:55 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <3473@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>Need I say further ?
>
> [ ... ]

  NO. We are impressed with all your "wonderful" posts. Enough. 
  You can't make any better. Thanks. 

  leo.
--
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