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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:37:58 GMT

In article <1ddt49INNiv1@falcon.natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>	... the Falcon beats the 1200.  No, really, these important features
>of the Falcon always seem to get 'brushed off' by Amigoids when comparing
>the two machines.  Imagine how much it would cost to add most of these
>features to the 1200 (and then prey that 3rd party software vendors support
>your add-ons).  In fact, most of these can't even be found on the 4000.

6 wheels and nuclear power wouldn't sell from a company with a limited
corporate infrastructure, ethereal revenue, no dealers and a non-existent
software base. But, I digress: 

>	10. MIDI

For those that need it, MIDI is a low-cost option.

>	9. Local Talk

To interface with what? 

>	8. CD Codec
>	7. DSP

Already announced.

>	6. SCSI 2 (even just SCSI would be nice, don't you know that the
>	   entertainment/multimedia industries are getting into CD-ROM)

How many Falcons will come equipped with 2.5" SCSI-II drives? 

>	5. Built in power supply. (a brick again?  jeeez!)

I'll give you this one.

>	4. 16 MHz Blitter

Not again. This one's been dead and buried long ago.

>	3. Stereo Microphone port built in

Something I've always yearned for.

>	2. 1.4 Meg Floppy (you might be able to add one to the 1200 but
>	   AGA specific software will still come on multiple 880K floppies,
>	   swap-swap-swap.  With AGA graphics, software is gonna get bigger)

AGA specific software will be HD installable. Anyone who buys a floppy-only
system deserves the frustration.
 
>	1. 68030

25 MHz '030 accelerators with space for 8 MB of RAM and an FPU list for $250.

Let's face it, we've heard this all before (circa 1985). The Falcon is
certainly a nice machine, but the kitchen-sink approach is more an act of 
desperation than a benevolent gesture to the user base. What's left for
third-party development?
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Amiga sightings and other things positive.
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:49:19 GMT

davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>Hey Amiga Advocates, how about something a bit more positive around here?
>>[...]
>
>Yes, please!  I haven't been posting much recently, because there just hasn't
>been anything worth talking about.  That's a bit hard to understand, because
>surely the things we've been waiting for and arguing over for so long are
>finally happening.

Yes, they are.  I think that's partly why it's been so quiet here lately
(relatively speaking :-)  There's not a lot to really beef about.  CBM
is advertising, bringing out new models, and it's all nice to see.

kev <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:54:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.065946.6039@ucc.su.OZ.AU> dhogan@physics.su.OZ.AU (Damien Hogan) writes:
>>	Amiga Users TOP 10 Most WANTED SOFTWARE APPLICATIONS
>>	----------------------------------------------------
>>1)	WORD 3.0 callibre wordproccesor w/out the bloated size.  For me, 
>>	I still feel that amiga is lacking a home/office callibre word
>>	processor that offers something for everyone. After all, one of 
>>	the primary uses for computers these days is word processing.
>>
>In a scientific vein...
> 
>>2)     Mathematica!!!! -  with notebook frontend
>>3)     Latex!!!!       -  with (at least) Postscript support

Please!!! Maple on the Amiga is every bit as good as Mathematica (see the
recent reviews in the AMS Bulletin). It is far better than the Windows'
version of Mathematica. Mathematically, Maple is far richer as a program than
Mathematica. Maple exists on the Amiga now.
 
AmigaTeX is one of the best TeX's/ LaTeX's around. Why are people ignoring
these fine programs. As for Wordx.0, I really don't know and couldn't care
less. It's just another word processor.

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:44:28 GMT

Quoth skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls):

]> >	I agree Skip, that 486 is probably going to cost what the A4000
]> >   does without a monitor.  But, that 486 is also going to have a much
]> >   larger HD, more ram, and a monitor.
]> 
]> Larger HD yes, maybe 2M more RAM.  As for the monitor, I'd like to see

You also missed a point... while the 486 will have larger HD/ more mem, those
resources are REQUIRED to run OS2 or WindersNT (if it exists) or whatever.
These are hidden costs, of course, but if you lose 20 mb of drive space and
a meg or 2 of RAM to support a multitasking GUI environment, what have you
gained?


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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upsurge in CD-I ads
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:27:15 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Well, since Philips -dropped- its line of MS-DOS/Windows machines.....


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From: djkordsm@burrito.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:57:33 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Summary: 
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Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
Keywords: 




	Amiga Users TOP 10 Most WANTED SOFTWARE APPLICATIONS
	----------------------------------------------------

1)	WORD 3.0 callibre wordproccesor w/out the bloated size.  For me, 
	I still feel that amiga is lacking a home/office callibre word
	processor that offers something for everyone. After all, one of 
	the primary uses for computers these days is word processing.
 

2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9)
10) 
 
	I leave the rest blank so others can fill them in.
From: pvdh@motship.hacktic.nl (Paul van der Heu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (Part I)
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:11:39 CET
Reply-To: pvdh@motship.hacktic.nl
Distribution: world
Organization: The MotherShip Connection
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <1992Nov7.173658.17151@news.th-darmstadt.de>, Natuerlich! writes:

> In article <1992Nov5.154148.5424@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> >HAM is as real graphics mode and I can compare it to any other
> >graphics mode if I wish.
> Of course you can. You may also compare cars to ships. No one will mind. 

Well, HAM appears on my screen, just like 256 colour mode, I can use it for animation and stills, just like 256 colour mode.

Ever tried cruising a ship on the freeway ?? :)


> >There is also one very real limitation in 16-bit truecolor-modes in
> >Falcon - they're dog-slow (in the usefull modes). 
> Question is how limiting is it ? Not as limiting as you hope it to be.

How about taking FIVE minutes to load a 640x400 interlaced GIF image (plus conversion)
I can move brushes WAY faster in HAM then I can in any FALCON mode (I tried this..)

> >> 	Falcon pallete is approx. 260000 
> >
> >It is not in truecolor modes - you can not choose what of the 256k
> >colors you use.
> Ah yes, I goofed there.

Yo.. and the 1200 has an 16.8M pallete..

> >> 	Falcon I can do it in a window, in arguably not bombastic but still 
> >> 	AA-bashing 640x200x65536 colors.
> >
> >This 640x200x64k colors dies in front of 1450x566xHAM8 even as the
> >latter is interlaced.

Well, there's no choice really, I cannot GET a 640x200x64k screen right now since there no Falcon to buy yet :)


           Paul van der Heu, DLG BB/OS The MotherShip Connection
            FIDO - 2:280/207.0 , UUCP - pvdh@motship.hacktic.nl

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE NORWAY FOLDS!!!
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:10:22 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>STOP IT, GREENE!!! Your constant whining about Amiga pricing has now  
'>become extremely tiresome and as irritating as any J. Shekel posting.
'>I really don't wish to see this thread degenerating into another "A4000 is  
'>overpriced / Oh no it isn't" farce, but note the following points:
'>
'>3. (Not meant as a flame). Since you have made it extremely clear to all  
'>of us about how satisfied you are with your Gateway 486 system,  
'>Commodore's pricing policy should be of no concern to you (unless you were  
'>planning to get an A4000 for yourself).

	I'm sorry but it is a concern for me, as I'm planning on getting an
   AGA machine, and price/performance is a very large factor for me.  Unlike
   you apparently, I do not blindly follow Commodore no matter what they
   charge for their machines.   

'>Amazing. When someone posted a rumor about the A1200 (before the official  
'>announcement of the machine) costing about 1000 dollars, you immediately  
'>jumped in saying that was overpriced. It obviously did not bother you that  

	I think you better go back and take a look at the article again. 
   The person said that the A1200 was rumored to cost $2000, and that is
   when I said that it was overpriced. 
 
'>this was based on hearsay. Then there was the brainless thread generated  
'>by your famous "Too bad it's overpriced" comment. And now this. Your posts  
'>are becoming as predictable as MB's. If you sat back and realised how  
'>annoying this attitude is, you would not post again unless there was  
'>something constructive to say. OTOH, if you really find nothing wrong in  

	 By constructive I assume you mean start posting stuff like "PC's
   Suck", "MAC's suck", "My A500 with 512K blows away any 486."  Many Amiga
   advocates post this crap all the time, yet your not mad at them for
   posting something non-constructive.  It must be nice to have a selective
   memory.

>being a nuisance to others, then nothing I or anybody else says is going  
>to change that. Bloody hell!

	Yeah, you're right, I don't know where I got the idea to post an
   OPINION to a .advocacy group.  I must of been out of my mind.  I had no
   idea that you were recently promoted to be the c.s.a.a moderator and only
   articles that you deem worthy enough will be posted.  In the future I'll
   be sure to send you all my articles, so you can preview them and tell me
   which ones are ok.  Congrats on the promotion, but I think the job has
   gone to your head.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:49:43 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov12.154038.16197@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jhp3x@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Howard Porter) writes:
>>
>>Support Virginia Tech (and all other schools that support Amiga)!
>>
> 
> Support Va Tech unless you go to the University of Virginia of course!
> But seriously I wish that more schools supported the Amiga, although
> Tech requires the Amiga with UNIX, that is a start. They want their CS
> majors to have a UNIX machine and the 3000UX is a great set up for the
> price!

	So I assume Commodore is still selling the Unix machines?  I was
	beginning to think it finaly rolled over and died.  No activity
	in comp.sys.amiga.unix etc.  Can you order unix OS for say, a
	A4000?  How much does it cost?
> 
> Jeff Porter
> EE- UVA
> 
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:07:16 GMT

R Hernandez writes:
> Watch out with these Mpeg "demos."  At the last summer CES in Chicago,
> I went there, and Phillips was also showing this "demo."  It was
> a clip from one of those "James Bond" movies.
> Things is that it looked superb, but no surprise, no hardware in sight.
> So I went and asked:
> [conversation deleted] 

Hmm.  If you meant that you thought the early demo was a fake, then of
course you went away with an incorrect impression.

Naturally, before decoder chips were available, prototypes were large.
But the plugin MPEG card has recently been demoed at public shows playing
various movies and interactive titles.  Matsushita has also demonstrated
FMV on their CD-I player with the decoding hardware built-in as stock.

I do think Philips themselves may have been a bit surprised at how the
continuously improving encoding techniques (the critical end of things)
have allowed better-than-first-thought audio/video from CD.

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:04:25 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov9.134303.6859@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.220520.6234@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
>>make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
>>away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation
>>and multitasking.  Hence, OS/2, 16 megs of memory, 24 bit coprocessed
>>graphics, an Sound Blaster Pro.
>>	By the way, never had a problem with it since I bought it (2 years
>>ago).
> 
> As a matter of interest, could you please tell me how much you
> paid for this PC?
> 
	Sure, it cost just over $2400.  It costs more than an Amiga 500 no
doubt but that is irrelevant.  The Amiga costs more than the c-64 but
that doesn't make the c-64 better.  Of course, it would likely cost
more to get a similarly equipped Amiga.  


>>						-Brad
> 
> --
> Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
> Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Re: Falcon's Super was: FALCON SPEED ......
Keywords: FALCON, ST, ATARI.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:31:28 GMT

In article <ygk1!=@rpi.edu> oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) writes:
>    I talked to a Media Arts Professor at my school. He was very impressed 

Oooh guys, look, a source!

>with the Falcon. He said it is an amazing machine, and it is no doubt.
>It is super, like it or not. With true 030, 32 bit ram, dsp, 16bit audio,
>SCSI II, 16bit graphics (no dumb dependence on interlace, I get to choose),
>Audio in and out, midi, lan port, enhanced joystick and input selectors,
>dsp port etc. NOW TELL ME WHY WOULD I WANT A 1200 ?

NOTHING.  Go buy your Falcon, it's obviously what you want.  Just don't
come complaining when you can't find support for it.

> It is a TOY for
          ^^^
>me, and would not be the TOOL the falcon would be. I could very nice things
>with a Falcon, whereas a 1200 guy is droolling ONLY over AGA. And besides
>if I get a 1200, I must choose when I'm buying it if I want an fpu or else
>it's no fpu for me. THAT SUCKS !! It has no bloody fpu slot ( damn !! says 

Oh, for crying out loud.  Talk about your nitpicks.  If someone wants
to do ray-tracing they'll buy a machine suited for it, there is not much
use for a FPU in a low-end machine.  Granted, it'd be nice to have that
option, but it's not important to the average user.

>and is that nice ? So don't even compare your toy with my tool . And
                                               ^^^
> The Amiga to me is a neat graphical tool, it needs more to be considered
>a better computer.                   ^^^^

Well, that's two toys and one tool.  Which is it?

You aren't by any chance related to JEFF YOUNG are you?

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:02:35 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1944@vall.dsv.su.se>, matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
> David Stuart Griffiths (griffita@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
> 
> : I agree, in this SPECIFIC case, the Amiga WOULD be a mistake.
> 
> If you're not interested in computers buy a PC. Do I need to explain my
> point?
> 

	That's crazy.  I am very interested in computers, I simply need
my computer to do more than the Amiga cn offer.  And believe it or not,
a PC can be equipped to do more for me than an Amiga could ever.


> --
> =========================================================
> =  Regards  =  email:              =  1280x512x256000+  = 
> =  Mattias  =  matt-dah@dsv.su.se  =  I love it.        =
> =========================================================
> =  The only way to get improved software for the Amiga  =
> =  is *buying* the existing ones. Do you realize that?  = 
> =========================================================
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   ATARI Canada folds! MicroSoft possibly in trouble!
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:25:25 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov10.235255.20605@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
>Rick Kelly writes:
>_______________________
>MS-Unix = SCO UNIX. ( Microsoft owns ~30% of SCO )
> 
>--MORE--(95%)
> 
>Acceptance of OS/2 2.x is increasing daily.
> 
>It appears that Windows NT is more useful as a server OS, than a desktop OS.
>________________________
>
>Rick, thank you for backing up my arguments (I hope that this is what you
>DOS in CP/M.
>
>As for my points about Microsoft buying out smaller companies.  If Unix becomes
>a wider standard, how long do you think it will be before Microsoft buys a
>controlling interest in SCO.

As far as I know, SCO was originally spun off from Microsoft.

>As for OS/2 gaining wider acceptance, lest we forget, it is IBM that is 
>supporting OS/2 now, not Microshirk.

That's right.  Take one clone, add DR DOS and OS/2, and wave goodbye to
Microsoft.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick)
Subject: Anyone going to Comdex??
Organization: a2i network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:11:51 GMT

[]

Anyone else on this group going down to Comdex next week? VRLI will
have a booth across the street from the Las Vegas convention center
in the Italian Restaurant, Peiro's (sp?). This is mainly designed for
the press, but feel free to drop on in and say hello after, say
1:30PM when things should be winding down.


mike

-- 
"Friends don't let friends vote Democratic"

Mike Smithwick - mike@rahul.net 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: redman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Redman)
Subject: Re: GOOD Ads
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:21:38 GMT

>
>Since when does content have anything to do with a good ad?
>
>
>
>-- 
>Paul Secinaro
>pss1@kepler.unh.edu
>Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
>UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


Well, I, for one, appreciated the fact that Quarterdeck was willing
to spend the money to try to seriously educate me about their
product, and treat me with the kind of respect with which I had (wrongly) 
assumed most readers of Byte would like to be treated.

The Gateway ads kind of put the lie to that premise, as there
are obviously a lot of Byte readers who would be just as happy with
a comic book, given Gateway's relative success in the PC market.

Did I actually read Q'deck's ad? Only a bit; I don't have a machine
that will run their software, so it was only of passing interest.
Did I remember it? You bet! That's what makes a good ad.

It's totally dependent on the intended market.

BTW, I LIKE the little Amiga
cartoon guy, and I think the ads are eye-catching; but why in heaven's
name C= would waste their budget advertising CDTV in Byte instead of the
A4000 completely escapes me.

Brian
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From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:54:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.033149.27862@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang) writes:
>Phillips
>--------
>were showing off CD-I. I don't know who their target market is, but if the size
>and design of the trackball controllers on most of the machines is anything to
>go by, it appears to be the pre-teens. (ie large brightly coloured buttons,
>and a large trackball).

I believe that's exactly whom those controllers are intended for.
(Is that good English or what?  Probably what.)

The other controller I've seen is a remote control with thumb-operable
joystick.

	James Jones

(Any non-quoted opinions in the above are mine; that is to say, they
belong to me.)
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Politics, bimbo ads, and other BS
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 01:14:25 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

> No, but I'd love to hear more from the Europeans.  The A1200 has been out
> for some time there, but we still have not heard all that much about it.
> When the A4000 was released, the number of articles posted was nearly
> overwhelming, yet we've only seen a couple on the A1200.

Well, here in Sweden we get everything later and at a higher price than 
anybody else...

But rumours say there is an A1200 in Sweden, nothing is official yet. 
In fact, at a recent computer fair (Spel&Dator -92) one Commodore 
salesman asked another "Are we allowed to talk about the A1200?".

That's where we stand today...


***       REALLY NICE SIG I THINK     ***
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      END
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: If A600 ~= C64, Does A1200 ~= C128?
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Nov8.190003.5517@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
 >
 >The A600 has been called the next C64 by some parties.  Does this make the
 >A1200 the next C128?  
 > ...
 >And if history repeats itself, there will be an A1200D in the near future.

Hmm, sounds interesting on first sight. BUT: The main reason to make the
128D back then was to incorporate the floppy drive, I think, and only in
second line the separated keyboard... And we have already the floppy and
even a harddisk inside the 1200!

-- 
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