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From: fellow@cs.utexas.edu (Heng Wei Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia to buy Mig29
Date: 29 Sep 1992 11:15:42 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: muleshoe.cs.utexas.edu

In article <BvCHFv.5nJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong) writes:

> At such exercises called ADEX-xx, they usually test the air defense radar
> and interceptor reaction time, and also SAM accuracy and effectiveness.
> The Singapore Air Force seldom activates all SAM units though....
> 
> And it's no fun at these exercises in Singapore.. .usually more fun at
> Australia.....

Anything but ADEX, they are a joke. (Don't ask me to justify, coz' I won't)

Actually Red Flag used to be the ultimate test, but ACMI in Thailand ain't
bad either.




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From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:15:45 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <BvH7xt.HE9@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.094018.18005@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> 
> Re: the Mt Kinabalu having 1/2 the world's plant species
>>From Sabah newspapers which actually quoted one biologist or something.
> 
> This is very interesting.  Can you remember which newspaper the
> article came from?  I would like to quote it for an article I 
> am writing on the environment.

	I think both New Straits Times and Star carried an article that stated
something like that.  Don't remember the date tho, other than the fact it's
probably at the 88-90 years.  Note the probably tho... :)  Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: School ranking
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:49:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.190716@IASTATE.EDU> hpyeo@IASTATE.EDU (Sandy) writes:
>oh. Dunman had taken over Dunman Sec now?? They took over Dunman Pri years ago,
>cuz not enough classrooms for the students.. Now they even invade Dunman Sec?
>(by the way. I am from DHS.. and NEVER PROUD of it.) 
>
>Oh, one more question.. DHS is an independent school now?? when did it go
>independent??
>
     Dunman High has taken over Dunman Secondary now.  I think it is either thisyear or last year.  Dunman Secondary has moved away.  Dunman High became 
independent early this year.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: s.c.asean vs seasia-l
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:53:44 GMT

Elliot parker encourage me to post to seasia-l and I notice there is very
little news item about Malaysia there.
	However when I read the articles at seasia-l, they are too formal and
correct. Almost like newspapers which I do not have the time and interest to
do.
	I prefer s.c.asean because it is more chaotic and more responses. I
tried to incite the same response in seasia-l about Manila but I only got
2 responses which is very poor to me. I believe the readers there are not
interested in any controversial discussion.
	However readers of s.c.asean complain that there are too many 
arguments in s.c.asean and want more news. When I recommend seasia-l, she
said she cannot access it.
	IMO seasia-l is easier to subscribe because it uses a mail server.
Just send email to the server, then the news will be sent by emails. Perhaps
they do not know the procedure. Elliot actually posted to me the procedure to
do that but have deleted it.
	I've just started cross-posting to both groups. If anyone complains
about my style, please say so. I may have to modify my tones.
	Can someone clarify the accessibility of these two similar newsgroups.
What are the real problems? Those who cannot get them both or just one,
please explain why? Some do not like these groups but I believe these 2 are 
the only ones with contributers actually living in Asean. 

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang)
Subject: Test
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:30:10 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:57:47 GMT

I'm back...

: Heyy, Lau...got one more method for you. Instead of Indonesia burning their
: islands/forests on fire to choke y'all, how about lining the population
: (you know they have zimillions of people) up near the beaches and all
: FART at the same time? Are you all ready to face the consequences? Gas masks
: ready???

No need gas mask lah...  We just prepare a large quantity of bottle stoppers
and you know where these things will go to ;-)

-WS
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National University of Singapore        \  Phone:  (+65) 772 6319       
10, Kent Ridge Crescent. Singapore 0511. \______________________________
From: shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: DR. MAHATHIR - HEART FAILURE?!?!?!
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:12:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Who the hell said that our PM had a heart attack? rumours like this can be fatal to our stock market. I know that most leaders would probably wish that our PM really does have a heart attack but I can assure you that the reason being that they are just jealous of the fact that a dynamic third world leader is taking
a stand on what he believes is right for the goodness of mankind. It's about
time that more leaders like Dr. Mahathir are born so that more countries will
be more dynamic and not fall to the wants of so called Developed countries.
For your info, our PM has had a bypass which went successfully so what I reckon
is that he probably has a heart of a 25 year old...ready to bring Malaysia to
far greater heights in the international scene. Rumours are merely rumours and
even I can start one right now........do you know that George Bush once posed
nude in Playgirl! Have a nice day.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:41:21 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
<stuff deleted>

>If you are a  Malaysian, You should know you the Malaysian constitution which
>defines a Malay as a muslim with "Malay culture". I do not think there is 
>any mention of religion.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm sorry, I don't seem to quite get what you mean.  From what I read, you seem
to be contradicting yourself!  First you say that there isn't any mention of
religion but then you CLEARLY said that a Malay is a "muslim".
What does the word "muslim" mean to you?  I don't know but from what I gather
from respectable dictionaries, the word "muslim" means people who have 
accepted Islam as their religion.  Unless you mean that a muslim is someone
with any other religion, you are contradicting yourself!
Please explain with more care... :)

siong

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:15:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.121204.4272@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.024734.21973@nuscc.nus.sg>, iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
>> 
>> This kind of deduction and reasoning is without base. Peeing into the
>> drains has existed in Singapore since the "Kampong days".  
>
>I believe the original poster was making an observation and not a scientific
>study of % increase of people who pee into drains. However, I tend to share
>his observation. 
>

"Kids peeing into the drains" is a valid observation, and I agree with
that observation. But linking this to the resentment of the parents
about too many regulation is not.  Neither is "the whole population
peeing on the streets".

Here is another "observation", from some of the MRT stations (with
rephrasing):

     "If you know, say that you do,
      if you don't know, say that you don't.
      Such is true knowledge."
                --- by Confuscious (551 B.C.)

Have a nice weekend.

-- Siau cheng
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:02:51 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Oct1.022345.5325@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:
|> :  
|> : If the switch-gear could just short-circuit and cause a major fire,
|> : then it is time PUB review all it's switch-gears and upgrade. 
|> Any ideas of any that can also respond in 10pico second for 1000 million amps.
|> 
If we have a 1000M amp (1000M amp??, golly!!), it's gotta be a short
on the bus-bars or a cut/eroded cable outgoing.  Since it is highly
unlikely for the bus-bars to short for no-good reason, a outgoing
cable short is most likely.  Almost all the sensors and breakers in
the switch-gear would have been activated and shut the system down,
especially the gas-chamber breakers. The nano-sec (i think) reaction
would have left the switch damaged but isolated.  I.e. power going to
other switches would have been spared.
 
Arrrgh, what am I saying here?  The above is hypothetical anyway. 
Unless your 1000M amp short is really what happened.  However, please
do post further news of the blackout post mortem .... if any are
released :).
 
............................................................................
. Kyle Hor                    .    /       / _   .  Email  khor@bnr.ca     .
. Bell-Northern Research Ltd. .   /__\  / / /_\  .  Phone  (613) 763-2488  .
. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada     .  / \  \/ /  \__  .  ESN          393-2488  .
....................................__/.....................................
................  standard disclaimer, 2 cents opinion  ....................
.............  searching forever, for the perfect solution  ................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: clipper@gleep.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western
	Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:14:32 GMT
	<CLIPPER.92Oct2134946@gleep.csd.uwo.ca> <BvIL10.DMq@ecf.toronto.edu>

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:58:11 GMT, huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG
>>>>> SUNG CHING) said:

HUANG> Dunman High is not a Chinese school now, it is one of the SAP
HUANG> schools.  SAP means Special Assistance Plan.  Students in
HUANG> Dunman High have to take Chinese and English as first language.

I know it is not a Chinese school now, hence the lament. My year was
the second last year of 100% Chinese stream students in Dunman. When I
was in sec 2 they started admitting 8% students and Dunman became one
of the `big nine'. We were very proud initially before we discovered
that Dunman was being made over. It is hard to explain but the
tradition was changed and it became a different school. The change of
name was in a sense a good move so that the two stages of the school
history can be separated easily.

Khun Yee

--
Khun Yee Fung    clipper@csd.uwo.ca
Department of Computer Science
Middlesex College
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5B7
Tel: (519) 661-6889
Fax: (519) 661-3515
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:03:21 GMT
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Sep30.154247.27065@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
|> 
|>      talking about toilet fines...
|> 
|>      the real gross thing in singapore, i think
|>      is all these parents encouraging their kids
|>      to pee in the drains.
|>      and they look particularly pleased at it.
|> 
I don't see kids peeing in drains these days.  Nope, other than
the occasional gramdma, parents of the present generation don't
do that anymore.  Now, peeing in elevators is another matter...

[blah blah blah]
|> 
|>      the government should legislate against these disgusting 
|>      practices.
|>      theres no way singapore will be like switzerland any time
|>      soon with the whole population peeing in the streets.
|> 
|>      i say CHOP THEIR WILLIES OFF 
|> 
Uh, one sure way to curb population growth.  Except that the policy 
now is to have 3 or more...

-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: txl9304@usl.edu (Loo Tzeyeong)
Subject: Re: A few Malaysia Cup results
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:32:45 GMT

In article <BvCL7M.8pB@acsu.buffalo.edu> saidin@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ainalidha Saidin) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>	I just got off the phone from a friend of mine back home. Here are 
>	the latest Malaysia Cup results he passed on to me.
>
>	KL 		6	Terengganu 	1
>	Pahang		1	Kedah		1
>
>	By the way, a massive power outage hit malaysia today (29 Sept) 
>knocking out power to most of the country. Flights were cancelled and 
>it caused accidents everywhere as the outage lasted into the night (we 
>have enough accidents with the lights and traffics lights working!). 
>It must have been some problem to knock out power to almost all of the
>country. 
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------


        N.Sembilan     1      Kedah       0



                                               From LOO@USL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:52:32 GMT
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Sep26.031654.7396@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>The walk to Mt. Kinabalu:

>i)the safest highest mount climb in the world(not sure if there is other
>contenders), you will be given a ceritifacte for this feat

Looking at the map, it looks like the easiest climb to 4000 metres in
world!

I understand the "walk" up Mt Kinabalu is guided.  Does anybody know if
I am allowed to climb the mountain without a guide babysitting me?

>ii)very cold. Need warm clothing, at the peak. No need for warm clothing during
>the ascent but you will get cold when you want to view from the peak and do
>some other stupid things like putting your signatures at a book.
>	Do not underestimate this coldness. One American climber nearly froze
>when he only wears a T-shirt to the peak. The temperature is like Autumn morning
>in Tasmania( 5degrees centigrade).

That's not too cold.  You won't freeze if the air is 5degrees C.  
You might get hypothermia, but you will certainly not freeze.  People 
jog in shorts and T-shirts every morning in Christchurch, even when
the temperature is sub-zero.  My definition of cold is a wind chill 
factor of -20degrees C, snowing heavily in white out conditions.  :).

>Interesting things about Mt. Kinabalu:
>i)half of the world's plant species can be found at Mt. Kinabalu. 

This is an interesting fact.  Where did you read this from?

>There is a hot spring at Poring, near Mt. Kinabalu. After the ascent, it may
>be nice to have a hot bath there.

Are there any other geo-thermal attractions in Sabah?

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Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | champs 1992-1993!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: NTU E-Mail address
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:40:22 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
: In article <s897279.718360919@otto>, s897279@otto (Buck YEO) writes:
: > I'm trying to locate a friend who is doin' Engineering in NTU.  Unfortunately,
: > I have only his name and haven't got his log-in ID and e-mail address.
: > Can someone please tell me the address and also if possible, the way to 
: > locate him.
: > 
: > Thank you.
: 
: 	The absolutely best way to get your friend's email address and userid
: is to write to him.  The chances of someone who knows him reading this
: newsgroup is quite low.  Usually, local directories maintained by the system
: are not available to the local users (on VAX/VMS systems, I know about finger!) 
: You might want to try netfind, but I doubt if NTU maintains a x-500 directory
: service (no idea what it is... :))
: 	In anycase, the address is NTUVAX.NTU.AC.SG.  Ciao.

NTU students are given user names of a letter indicating school(?) such as
e followed by ic number. Their user names will look like

e1234567

Since they are your friends, you should know their ic number. I'm not allowed
to have access to them. I tried to trace an obsence computer call but was
denied access to the identity of the caller, not even his year, which is
more important to me than the exact identity.
	I ignore all requests to get email addresses because of these reasons.
The addresses of other lecturers are also not easily available but they have
 a scheme with the ic number substituted by names, like my username,

eoahmad.

Actually they are calling my father, not me.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: RE: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:23:13 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
 
GL> Indeed I am  - a country which has laws like yours deserves 
  > to be mocked.
 
then you say,
 
GL> What's irresponsible about giving a critical opinion?
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Godfrey, Godfrey, pls make up your mind - is it a critical 
opinion or mocking???? I'd like to think I go to one of the best 
business schools in Canada here - and what we learn here is 
logic and analytical skills. Did you learn that in school in England?
I don't think so. Your inconsistentency is blatantly obvious 
to the most casual observer!!!! THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE 
BETWEEN MOCKERY AND CRITICAL OPINION!!!!! How can the laws of civility 
hold when someone openly smears the name of your country?  
 
I see you have opened a canned of worms here on s.c.a. by your 
irresponsible remarks. Why don't you try answer some of my 
fellow countryperson's postings? I am dying to see you shut up 
by my eloquent colleagues on s.c.a!!!!!     

v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: am4z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Afizal Mustapa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)'Gulai masak lemak' (was Re: FOOD!!!)
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:06:07 GMT
	<23280@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hmm... a recipe for 'kuih cucur'.... Very interesting indeed....

Well... here's one more for you guys and gals (have to be politically
correct) out there - 'gulai masak lemak pedas ayam'

Things needed:
- a few pieces of chicken, or about half a chicken will do.
- 2/3 tablespoon of salt (can add more or reduce according to taste).
- 1 1/2 tablespoons of sugar.
- a teaspoon of kunyit/
- about a liter of coconut milk/santan, or  ordinary milk as subtitute.
- a few potatoes, cut round or diced... or whichever way you like it to be.
- serai/lemon grass
- a few glovers of garlic and some onions.
- dried cillies, or grounded cilli paste (sambal olek/cili bo/or
whatever others call it) which is even better.
	and last but not least... a pot to cook it in 8).... And a stove of course....

How to cook:
- wash and clean the chicken.
- grind/blend/ground the garlic and onions with a bit of water.
- cut the serai or blend it with the onions, whichever you prefer.
- place the cleaned chicken into the pot.
- add in the rest of the stuff, except for the potatoes.
- let it cook for a while and then add in the potatoes.
- let it boil for a moment longer till the chicken is cook.
- decorate the dish if desires and serve with nice steaming rice.

What if using the dried cillies:
- remove the seeds from the cillies and soak them (the cillies of
course...) into some water.
- let it be for  awhile before blending  it.

Well... hope this dish will turn out ok for you guys/gals as it did for
me. Enjoy eating it....



Afizal Mustapa,
Carnegie Mellon University,
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

There's a very thin line that separates one from being a kid, or being
an adult. Glad I'm an adult now. *smile*

	        [ And now, for some Disney's Afternoon cartoons....]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Seeking info on Singapore
From: K.Spagnolo@massey.ac.nz (Ken Spagnolo)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:43:12 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Info on Singapore
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Dear Netters,

I would appreciate if some informed souls on the net would  provide
answers to the following queries:

1) Is it possible to obtain accomodation for a short period of time
   (4 weeks) at the student residence facilities at the NUS/NTU ?
   If so, could you provide the name/s of the contact persons and 
   their email add. 
   I intend to be in Singapore from the first week of Dec onwards

2) How about tips/suggestions on alternate inexpensive accomodation 
   for students visiting Singapore

3) Are there any computing and printing facilities at the Univ or 
   in town which are accessable to the general public ? What would 
   be approximate cost for utilizing such facilities

Answers to be emailed to:
ZArsiwalla@massey.ac.nz

Thanks in anticipation


Zoheir Arsiwalla
Centre for Banking Management
Massey University
Palmerston North
New Zealand
-- 
Ken Spagnolo - Ph: +64-6-350-5160
Systems Programmer, Network Support, Usenet Admin, etc.
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