HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:51:28 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Oct11.204149.5752@gw.wmich.edu> 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:


>	The pig does not reproduce like other animals. More than one male pig 
                                                       ---------------------- 
>uses the same female pig.  
 ~~~~---------------------  


To say that Male [Chauvinist?] pigs *USE* female pigs is representative of
a real Male Chauvinist [Pig?] attitude. How about saying that each female pig
*uses* more than one male [Chauvinist?] pig?


>The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>dirty act and no other animals does it.  
>

another of those things that make one go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

I thought the institution of marriage that binds one male to one 
(or upto 4) female did not extend much beyond only a majority of 
the humans. 

While eating lamb chops do you generally worry about the parentage
of the lamb and the sexual morality of its biological parents? 

While killing a lamb/chicken do you generally worry about the sex-life
of its possible surviving mate?

Possible questions on this issue are  e  n   d    l     e      s       s:-)

>Your Brother,
>
>Akhtar Waqas.
From: mab@ulysses.att.com (Muhammad Basit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: pork vs non-halaal non-pork-meats?
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:18:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ, USA


Honest question. How does consumption of non-halaal chicken/beef/goat
etc compare with that of swine flesh? I know people who would never
eat pork, but would be less flexible on non-halaal non-pork-meats.
Is this behavior religiously if not correct, allowable?

Thanks,
M Basit
From: fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models? : Flattery
Summary: ahemm!
Keywords: modelling agencies and advertising
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:28:02 GMT
Distribution: world,na
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

In article <12OCT199212102395@juliet.caltech.edu>, azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad) writes:
> fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes...
> 
> >Flattery will get you ..................nowhere!
> 
> Sorry, but I can't disagree more emphatically!

Sounds as if you've had some success..:-)

> Are you trying to tell me that kiss ***es don't
> get what they seek? ;-)

Well that depends on what they are 'seeking'  ;-)

.....NOw am 'I' reading YOU right..............too many inuendo's here ..time
to go me thinks ;-)

Farha [rather get flattery than flames] khurshid
-- 
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Farha  Khurshid                     786
ICRF, London                                    email: fkhurshi@uk.ac.mrc-crc
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: haa2@engr.uark.edu (ANSARI HELMI ALIM)
Subject: looking 4:ARSHAD AZIZ IN TEXAS A&M!!!!!!
Summary: ....
Keywords: your can't contact u!
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:12:29 GMT

 i am looking for Syed Arshad Aziz who is at Texas A&M University, and
am having no luck trying to contact him. 

I do have an e-mail address (saa2397@zeus.tamu.edu) and (saa2397@rigel.tamu.edu)but for some reason am not able to send any mail to the accounts in mention.
The surprising thing is that I received e-mail from him a couple of days ago
and from the looks of it he sent it from the same account. Weird!!

If anyone can help me get in touch with arshad do let me know . And arshad if
you are out there, here's my tel #: (501)582-1145---CALL ME!

Helmi Alim Ansari.
haa2@engr.uark.edu
:?
:x

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:28:34 GMT

>In article <1992Oct11.204149.5752@gw.wmich.edu>, 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> 
>> 	The pig does not reproduce like other animals.  More than one male pig 
>> uses the same female pig.  The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>> dirty act and no other animals does it.  
>

Dear Akhtarji,

Let us leave the animals alone from religious moralizing. Religion has 
always been meant for the humans and we really aren't knowledgeable 
enough to understand animal morals. As long as they are meant to be
eaten, it really makes no difference what their sexual nature is. 

In the case of bees, several drones attempt to fertilize the queen bee which
is responsible for all the egg production. By your logic, bees are impious
insects and therefore we must not eat honey either. 

The fact is that the injunction "swine is prohibited" must have arisen 
because prophet Mohammed was wise/experienced enough to see that pigs 
in his environment were wild creatures and carriers of several disease. 
Whether he passed on this injunction out of his own experience or on the 
basis of Allah's message can be debatable.  If it was his own experience,
then we must not apply this injunction blindly even when the conditions 
have changed dramatically.  

Anyway, speaking of moralizing animals, I noticed in India some sadhus 
training monkeys to pray at temples. Man...Religion has gone bananas!

regards,
--   
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   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
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E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: New Pakistani Electronic Newspaper in Color for net readers
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Dear Readers;

I am pleased to inform you that after a few months of
experimenting we will be (quite) regularly providing news FROM
Pakistan for Pakistanis and others on internet interested in
Pakistan.

Currently the Pakistan News Service (PNS) puts out regular
issues which are received by those who subscribe to the
service.  Those files are in text format.

PakistaNews (c) is an electronic publication that is slightly
different.  It is created in Pakistan and edited in New York with
the news highlights of local affairs in Pakistan.  It is a COLOR
publication and is distributed as a GIF file that you can view with
any gif viewing program.  For the purposes of net distribution it
is UUENCODED.

That means you save the mail message you receive this file in,
UUDECODE it, and then open the resulting GIF file with the
appropriate GIF viewer on your system.  Of course it will be
convenient if you write a script that automatically does this for
you, so you do not have to do so every day.

It is a Color file with text usually in 14 point Helvetica or
Geneva (as these are easier to read), though occasionally we
will use 12 point as well as the Times typeface.

Currently, in the interests of space, photographs are not
included.  But later the newspaper will also contain photographs.

The distribution of PakistaNews is being done through the
Pakistan News Service, and subscribers to that will get the
publication first.  The files will then also be posted to SCP after
a 24-hour period.

Currently a one page format is being carried to make it easy and
fun to read, to give the basic information about the "top of the
news" issues in Pakistan. It is also kept brief to save time.

As volume of readers, and number of readers with faxes
develops, I also plan to provide a fax number with polling
enabled.  That means anyone with a fax machine at home or work
can call one of my faxes and poll the page.  That will be useful
for people with faxes but no email accounts.  Other options are
being considered and I am currently negotiating with
Compuserve to have a private area there.  That is a more
grandiose scheme and will probably take MUCH longer to
implement.

I am also open to suggestions from readers about other avenues
of distribution they would like explored.

For more information about PakistaNews (c) please send me
email at:

imran@panix.com

For specific news subjects you want covered you can also write
to 

Dr. Usman Anwar :-     usman@imran.ar.pk


For information about subscribing to PNS' complete offerings
please contact PNS.

Sincerely,


Imran Anwar
New York City
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Re: Request for a nazm by Faraz
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:05:52 GMT


>Long time ago I heard a nazm by Faraz. I could only recall these
>three lines form that nazm

>ub kis ka jashn manatay ho
>oos mulk ka jo taqseem hoa
>oos tun mun ka jo do neem hoa

>If somebody out there can post this nazm on scp, or at least tell
>me about the name of the book which contains this nazm.

>Thanks,
>Yousuf Saifullah
 

I think the name of the book which contain this nazm is "JaanaN JaanaN"


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: Altaf <V1W6@UNB.CA>
Subject: LOOKING FOR FRIENDS
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:03:14 GMT

Dear friends, assalam-alaikum.  I am a graduate student at
university of New Brunswick Canda.  Originally I come from Peshawar,
Pakistan. I completed my bechlor's degree in civil engineering from
the university of Eng & Tech Peshawar in 1989.  So if there is
anyone out there who knows me ,please let me know.  Wassalam.  Altaf
Akbar Durrani.  V1W6@UNB.CA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Subject: Attention Faud Enver @TRMETU.TURKEY.....
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:41:51 GMT

Faud

i tried to contact you by sending you an email reply,
but each time it failed,...


amer qureshi-
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:33:27 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct9.130749.16409@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.124002.5725@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>
>>Dear Brother Ali,
>>
>>	The article in itself is quite clear, I don't understand why you have
>>problem understanding it.  Further more, you have your own view of the world
>>and religion.  There is an explanation to every phenomena, but one must strive
>>to seek it.  It's good to have opinions but one must update his perception of
>>the world with knowledge to come closer to the reality. 
>>
>>	Peace.
>>
>>Your Brother,
>>
>>Akhtar Waqas.
> 
> 	I did not have any problems understanding the article, but I did
> have problems with what your conclusion. Something on the lines of
> 
> 	* Roses are red
> 	* Toasters work of electricity
> 
> 	Thus we can infer that I am a great man!
> 
> If I "update" my opinions, I have trouble believing in religion. What is
> reality? Is my reality the same as yours? Do blondes really have more fun?
> Am I finally out of my mind?
> 
> 						--ali.
> 
> 


Dear Brother Ali,

	Allah (God) can do anything He wants but Allah is the best of all wise
and He does everything with complete and perfect logic.  I will try to explain
my point with the help of an example.  

	Example. (True story)

		Once respected Moses (pbuh) went to mount Thoor and asked Allah
(God): "Allah, tell me why did you make lizard."  

	Allah said, "You will not understand even if We (royal We) tell you."  
		
        Respected Moses (pbuh) repeated his question again and Allah said the 
same thing.  But respected Moses asked Him third time and Allah said, "Lizard
has asked me, 'Allah, why did you make repected Moses (pbuh)', so neither you
nor the lizard can understand each other's importance." 

	There is a logic behind every thing in this world but we are not 
intellegent enough to understand it.  May Allah (God) give guidance to those 
who seek for it.

	Peace.


Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.


	I mean there are many things in this world that we can not understand
even if we get a complete ultimate description for it.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ysm@engin.umich.edu (Yawar Shahzad Murad)
Subject: Floods in Pakistan
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:32:29 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan

Does anybody out there have any recent news about the flood
situation in Pakistan?

Yawar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.102805.28001@panix.com>, imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes...
> 
>Bullshit!  If Islam was being spread, especially in India, at the 
>point of a sword how come the Hindus remained a MAJORITY or for that
>matter they even stayed ALIVE or survived as a race.  Must have
>9 lives or something.
> 
>Imran Anwar

	BECAZ you need slaves/slave labour to do stuff which the 
	rulers would not like to do. Like harvest, work
	in the gold and dimand mines....
	In other words you need population to rule!

Mirza Ilyas
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:28:57 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <1992Oct12.152834.983@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>In the case of bees, several drones attempt to fertilize the queen bee which
>is responsible for all the egg production. By your logic, bees are impious
>insects and therefore we must not eat honey either. 
>

Do you mean to say that the dozens 'sleep' with H.R.H. The  queen bee before she
gets fertilized ? Can anyone confirm it?
      
If that's true, then this argument regarding pigs has no value because Bee is 
holy; 16th chapter of Quran is titled 'THE BEE'(Al-Nahl) and Lord revealed to 
the bee how  to gether honey(16:68-69).

>The fact is that the injunction "swine is prohibited" must have arisen 
>because prophet Mohammed was wise/experienced enough to see that pigs 
>in his environment were wild creatures and carriers of several disease. 

I think its more like continuity of Torah's tradition than based on Holy 
Prophet's(PBUH) experience.

>...Religion has gone bananas!
>
And Man 'cuckoo'!!

Arshad Hussain
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:28:05 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Bullshit!  If Islam was being spread, especially in India, at the 
point of a sword how come the Hindus remained a MAJORITY or for that
matter they even stayed ALIVE or survived as a race.  Must have
9 lives or something.

Imran Anwar
From: yousuf@bnr.ca (Yousuf Saifullah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Gazal
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:14:16 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research

In article <1992Oct15.042537.14489@utagraph.uta.edu>, kekare@mecad.uta.edu (Sagar A. Kekare) writes:
|> 
|> Here is a splendid gazal sung by Jagjit Singh, unfortunately I do not know the  
|> poet as usual.

Poet is Qateel Shifaee. You remind me another beautiful gazal from Qateel 

kub talak shumma jalee yaad naheeN
sham-e-ghum kaysay talee yaad naheen
ubr tha jam tha pur aap na thay
wo gharee kaysay talee yaad naheeN
hum zamanay maiN kooch aysay bhutkay
ub to oon kee bhi galee yaad naheeN
itna yaad hay upnay thay kabhi 
kis nay kiya chal chali yaad naheeN
       

Keep posting Gazals,
Yousuf Saifullah
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:15:56 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct10.103226.17921@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
> 
>           I don't think that Jesus could have been born without a human
>   father, if considering scientific evaluation. You are ignoring something
>   very important. Though a cell can be divided artificially, made embryo
>   etc., a woman has no Y-chromosomes. So though one can produce without sex,
>   a woman can give birth to woman only. So jesus has to be a girl in 
>   that case
> 
>   Raja.

Dear Brother Raja,

	It's good to know that you think, it's only objective thinking and 
reasoning which can lead you to the truth.  I did not ignore the important 
fect you mentioned above, but genetical science is new and their are yet many 
things to be discovered.  You can not tell me that: it's not possible for 
genes to contain male information.  They may not be active but 
they can be there.  May Allah (God) give guidance to those who seek for it.


	Peace.

Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:50:44 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

The following article wa prepared and submitted by an 11th grade high school
student, Harris S. Quddos.  It is an article appropriately written and of
interest to all  ages.

	THE PROHIBITION OF SWINE IN ISLAM, JUDAISM, AND  CHRISTIANITY


	Swine, which is the name given for any of the cloven-hoofed mammals of
the family Suidae, native to the Old World.  A swine has a rather long, mobile
snout, a heavy, relatively short legged body, a thick bristly hide, and a small
tail.  The name swine is applied especially to domestic animals, which are also
known as hogs.  Sometimes these are called pigs, a term which in the United
States is more correctly reserved for these animals.  Swine which is being used
today for their flesh, prepared as ham, bacon, and pork, and their fat (lard);
they also provide leather for gloves, footballs; and numerious other aritlces,
and bristles for brushes.  Swine are classified in the phylum Chordata,
subphylum Vertebrata, class Mammalia, order Artiodactyle, and family Suidae.

	The pig by its very nature is a scavenger.  It may eat any type of
filth, garbage, or trash.  The stomach of the pig is quite poor in structure
and it takes roughtly three hours for it to digest whatever food it eats.  This
means that if the pig, for example, starts eating filth, manure, rotten
meat or whatever other impurities, within three hours; the trash has passed
through its system, is absorved, and comes back as part of its flesh.  If that
same pig is killed three hours after it has had its meal of trash and other
impurites, and a dish of pork , or whatever other type, is prepared, then you
would actually have a dish of trash.  There might also be a number of germs,
bacteria, and parasites which infest the pig and live in its flesh.

	Thus, it may be concluded without doubt that the swine or pig is
definitely an impious and unsanitary animal.  It is important to establish this
fact before understanding why Allah (God) has prohibited the consumption of
swine.  Before moving further it is essential to make clear that the
prohibition of swine includes not just the flesh but also other edible
portions as well.

	Allah has clearly explained that swine has been prohibited for all of
mankind in the Quran, Sura Al-Baqara, verse 173:  "He hath only forbidden you
dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which any other name has
been invoked besides that of Allah.  But if one is forced by necessity, without
wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then he is guiltless.  For
Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

	However, the prohibition of swine has not only been stressed in Islam,
it is prohibited in Judaism and Christianity as well!!  The reason for this is
very simple to understand.  He Who revealed the law to Prophet Moses (pbuh) is 
the same Who revealed or gave the gospel to Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and He is the
same Who revealed the last scripture, the Quran to Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:12:01 GMT

>
>Dear Brother Gopal,
>
>	You are right when you talk about the pigs fed and grown at different
>forms (not wild pigs) for business purposes in the Western Countries.  But 
>Western countries  does not make the whole world. What I stated was in general 
>and not for Western countries (pigs grown in forms) only. 
>

So is it OK to eat swine in the West?
>
>
>	Again, I urge you to read some books about pig's intestine and see how
>it is different from other animal's intestine.  Do not only use your common-
>sense but also read research done by scientists.  Pig's intestine is different
>from other animals (as I stated.)  All the dirt and filth becomes part of flesh
>(flesh: means meat not what is in the intestine.)  Please, read some books and
>do some research.  May Allah (God) give guidance to those who seek for it.
>
>
>
Is this the reason that Allah has given not to eat swine?  If not
how do you know his mind?  Science and religion don't mix.

Manoj
>
>
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: I'M AN ASIAN MODEL IN A WHITE WORLD(TRUE STORY)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:23:00 GMT

In article <92280.131928U43587@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>Hello to all those losers out there who think that brown skin can't
>sell white products.  How little ye knows. Let me introduce myself,
>my name is Habeebullah Khazandar Khan, and I am a pure patthan, yet
>pure pak.  I came here in search of the Pak Dream to become a doctor or
>engineer, or 7-11 owner/part time cab driver . As luck would have it I
>ended up as most of us "thinkers" do, the latter. Anyways, I was rip
>roaring through the dangerous streets of Chicago, looking for a prospective
>fare, thinking of the suffering back home, and the exploitataion of the
>Pak working class by Yellow Cab co., when Lo and Behold (as they say in
>many a fairy tale) out of the blue I picked up a handsomely dressed
>bussiness person.  I asked him where to? He Replied Playboy building
>please. Then and there my humble mind started thinking, of what business
>does he have at the Playboy building, so I cautiously asked.  At first I
>felt that he may not reply, thinking I was rude, but upon taking a closer
>look at me he realized that I was his answer to his many problems.  He
>answered that he was a photographer for Desi Illustrated(the magazine
>for lonely people of Indo-Pak origin, or those who liked those type).
>I asked what type of Photographer was this man and for what type of
>magazine? He humbly replied that he was Director of Asian Studies at
>a local university and part time photographer.  He gazed at me closely
>and commented on my excellent Physique.  Not many people, of my kind
>(Desi's), had such a large and handsome ____(come on, dont be naughty,i
>meant my nose).  Well, to make a long story short, my 7-11/cab driver days
>are over.  I presently reside in the upper class Suburb of OakBrook with
>my large family and have since then sold many a products aimed at White
>people.  Now I am currently embarked on a film  entitled Chatni Fever,
>about a Pak guy who meets a Polish jew who makes sausage at the local
>bagel outlet in Skokie(a.k.a. yehudiville).
> 
>My point being, my fellow desi's do not fear the white man He is your friend
>and can use you for a quick rupee/dollar.  If you direley want to be a model
>contact me through yellow cab or call me at 1-900-Desi-models ($20/min.)
> 
>THIS WAS BROUGHT TO YOU DESI'S r US COURTESY OF
>DA PAKS FOR A BETTER PAK.
>CHICAGO
> SPONSORED BY PARI BASMATI RICE
>proud sponsors of the Kabadi fest '92 & Desi model's '93.
>This is in response to ASIAN MODELS.


	Before I can actually come to the point, just wondering
	whst Quran has to say about modeling?

Mirza Ilyas