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From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Bonjour, Tristero (Was Re: Traditional Family Values)
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:33:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.140422.25680@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Don Yarman) writes:

>Donald L Yarman       _______/|/|   dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>                        (_)  \|\|   Yarman.1@osu.edu

A mute in the trumpet?  Is my memory failing me, or is this an
anti-cabalistic statement?

--John
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ann Lander's YUCK!
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:40:40 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

waveland@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman) writes:
>dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com >   (Jeff Dauber) writes:


>>Here is that  letter....

>Ann's coffee was obviously not its usual, aromatic self, so I've done
>her the favor of writing what she should have:  

	[great answer deleted - go back and read it!]

	So..... SEND it to her!

	Maybe she'll get a clue.  OK OK --- maybe some DNA will
fuse such that in some distant generation someone in her
lineage will get a clue - but at least it's something positive.

BBC
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:51:59 GMT

> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell) writes:

>>You're right Donald, every group should hate every other group. Every
>>minority group that has been stomped on by a majority group should
>>hold that bitter memory for the rest of eternity and make them offer
>>retribution. After all, as long as we remember it we can never be
>>really equal, can we?
> 
>>Problem is, just about everyone, gay/straight, white/black, etc. can
>>lay claim to injustices done to them by some other group, somewhere
>>in history.

 [part of jess's response deleted]

>Without in any way impugning your motives, I must say it
>seems to me your point that, in effect, "well, everybody's
>had some wrongs done to them," discounts and trivializes at
>least 15 generations of suffering wrought -- *none* of it
>willy-nilly -- by Europeans and their descendents in the New
>World.  To forget that is to excuse it, and that *cannot* be
>done, in the name of mercy and compassion, if nothing else.
>That it would also be ruinous in the practical sense need
>not even be invoked.

Beyond forgetting and excusing the origins and nature of
racial discrimination, he's also washing his hands of any
responsibility or complicity in the maintenance of the
racist system we live under today, and laying the onus to
change it on African Americans and other people of color.
Talk about blaming the victim...

The unthinking acceptance by white Americans of the status
quo, and the failure or refusal to see how we individually
profit -- from cradle to grave -- from systemic white
privilege, is what makes that system continue to flourish.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Sister Souljah on White Feminists -- They Want to Seduce Black Women
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.004509.20780@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>	Is there _any_ support for SS's contentions? 

Of *course* it's true.  Sex, sex, sex - that's the real
motivation for feminism.  And gay men just want to be
Boy Scout Leaders so that they can have ready access to
young boys, eh?
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 20:51:04 GMT


In article <1992Oct16.154050.12186@infonode.ingr.com>
norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

>Tell me, with your sore back and all, you can still, um, *hump*
>can't you?

The short answer is No, but if a delgation of sufficiently
serious persons were to feel highly motivated to feel like
mounting a semi-reclining semi-recluse in a pink club chair
and be prepared to giggle a lot at the ridiculousness of it
all, we could at least brighten up the old boy's evenings
a bit.

(Completely private aside to Dr. Dyer: does ibuprofen have
 a known side effect of causing persisting erections in men?
 I'm taking 1800 mg/day.)

>>We shall ask Him Who Cares More About It Than Any Other and
>>Also Boosts the Gay National Product to set up a foundation
>>providing scholarships for selected worthies who manage to
>>ingratiate themselves to the management.

>What?! Jess, I thought *you* filled that role.  Anyway, who is
>this person?  Does he have a good side?  Can I get on it?

Forward your applications to the Comptroller General,
[woman catch me melt]@apple.com.

>>I should thing your three week session in Spare Ribs and
>>Sluts should be nearly our most popular offering (don't
>>worry Nelson, I shall make *sure* there's a Tofu Tarts
>>section as well).

>Nelson, I'll take yours if you'll take mine.

I think he strokes 'em and stokes 'em, but I don't think he
eats 'em.

>-jeff [By the way, Will FJ!! be the swimming coach?  Or maybe we 
>       can all just watch (or help) him shave.  (No offense intended
>       George, but he *does* make shaving look sexy.)]

He's polluting that body of water, of course, but no matter
what it is he may wish to coach, I feel positive the campers
will flock to the lessons.  Even George may wish to practice
dizzying new heights of being outraged at the very idea, let
alone witnessing a demonstration.

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:21:04 GMT

In article <mattm-121092135616@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>This has come up before, but I didn't pay much attention because of
>the following shocking fact:  while I *do* know who Marlene Dietrich
>is, I do *not* know who Jason Priestly is...

C'mon, Matthew, you're just saying this to get on my good side.
Counted many gray hairs lately?

P.S.: let me know when you find out fer sure.  I think he has something to
do with something called 90210.  I think Arne knows (only incidentally,
of course.)

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ah, Smell the Fashion.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:45:53 GMT

emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>Didn't read the magazine, of course--I deposited it several
>>seats away--it smelled like the ground floor of a department store
>>(ladies' perfume).

>I think this must be a Cultural Universal.  Both Nouvelles Galeries
>here in Grenoble and Samaritaine in Paris have Ladies' Perfume (and
>not much else) on the ground floor.  Is there an as yet unexplained
>reason for this?

Heat rises, stink sinks.

--
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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ella (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:13:43 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Ken Richards writes:

>So, has anyone been to a Ella concert recently?

Twice in the last several years.  She's certainly showing her age and
health problems, but other than taking a few songs to warm up, I still
enjoyed her immensely.  I must confess to a bit of weeping after the
shows when her assistant had to help her off the stage; to witness such
a contrast of power and helplessness is rather moving.

Sarah Vaughn, on the other hand, can reduce me to puddles just with
certain vocal inflections.  I don't know what it is about her voice
(and am not interested in qualifying it anyway); she is Quite Something.
For everyday make-me-feel-all-melancholy, Billie is both the poison and
the cure. 

I've tried to find similiar (emotional) movement in opera but can't seem
to.  Please don't tell me I have to turn in my Queer Card.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

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i'm your squirrel        friend
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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:51:36 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


arne adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:
 
> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> > Ars longa, Melmon brevis.  I can't wait to hear your opinion of books
> > and plays, especially "old" ones.
> 
> Yes, I've been curious about that, too. 

One presumes that he only reads books written
within the last two years.  [I don't see any
need to comment on the timely publication
schedule of comic books.]  That way, one is
able to avoid those pesky intrusions into
the suspending of belief: outmoded words of
length, subjunctive moods, *hideously*
complicated compound sentences, SEMICOLONS,
and far, far worse things.

Shakespeare is so *tedious*.  I mean, he
insists on writing in cliche with famous
quotations all over the place, and blank
verse is so distracting when it doesn't
rhyme.  Besides, five acts is *much* too
long, and nobody understands his stupid
puns anymore.  And have you noticed that 
he never *once* mentions a Walkman?  This
*is* the 20th century.  I just can't relate.

> But those musings will have to wait.  
> I have to get out of my office.

And slip into something more comfortable?

And just *wait* until you hear about the
hog that Jeff and I picked out for your
triumph in Huntsville!

--jns  [harboring no allusions]
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:17:23 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) wrote:
>mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>>The host (about whom I know nothing except that his
>>name is Jerry Springer...)
> 
>Former mayor of Cincinnati, and otherwise failed politician (I think
>he ran for governor of Ohio and lost).  The _Chicago Tribune_ ran an
>article on him and his show a few weeks ago -- he sounded articulate,
>intelligent, liberal, and a host of other good things.

I caught some previews of today's show, the topic being infantilism.  I
was embarassed seeing this on my screen, not sure it needed to be aired
at all.  I couldn't watch more than a minute of it.

I just realized many people think the same about shows on homosexuality.
To each their own.  I learned something without watching the show.  This
probably won't be the last time I see this on TV.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Red Rubbon Rant
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:58:18 GMT

randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark) writes:
>(Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>Compassion of PWAs and PWARCs should
>>be standard equipment, not something to announce via a fucking
>>ribbon.
>	Of course it should.  But if people in
>	televisionland are dumb enough that they need to
>	be reminded of this -- and undoubtedly some are --
>	then I can't object to the reminder.
>>
>>Why does every fucking celebrity wear one when making an acceptance
>>speech?  
>>
>>Because it makes you look sympathetic without you having to do anything.

The red ribbons made a statement when AIDS was a "controversial" issue.
Now there so commonplace at awards ceremonies that it's risky for an 
entertainer to NOT be seen wearing one.  The message has been diluted;
you ask someone, "what's the ribbon for?"  "AIDS awareness"   OK, now
the world (at least anyone who would see an award ceremony) is *aware*
of AIDS, what are you *doing* about it?

>[...]	I 'd rather give the benefit of doubt (except for
>	Barbara B., of course).

That one REALLY pissed me off!  And did I hear correctly that GHWB himself
wore a red ribbon recently?

*OH*PUH*LEZE*

-jeff  [who thinks it's time to come up with a new symbol to wear that
        wouldn't be as popular.]
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:41:23 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1b5daaINNlrf@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> 
> More cultural icons from the 1800s:

[If ever there was an opportunity to bring up Jez *e* bel's age...]

> 
>   Dickens          Wild Bill Hickock   P.T. Barnum
>   Billy the Kid    Emily Dickenson     The Elephant Man
>   Whitman          John Keats          Wagner
>   Lincoln          The Shelleys        Oscar Wilde
>   Queen Victoria   Lord Byron          Lewis Carroll
>   Mark Twain       Jack the Ripper     Tchaikovsky
>   Tom Thumb        Jesse James         The Booths
> 
> Oh yes, there are some painters, too.
> 
> Arne

Many, many of these figures would be unrecognized if a picture 
thereof were to be flashed on a screen.  Bear in mind, the original
*religious* icons (of which you have already spoken, Dolphie) 
relied upon people recognizing a picture of a saint, and thereby
knowing immediately what that saint was about.  The saint's image
symbolized compassion, or strength, or whatever.  

Of the above, many are important historical figures.  But what
do they symbolize?  

Lincoln - definitely an icon.  The 'cowboy' is an icon, but 
specific cowboys?  Only Reagan...  Queen Victoria may be an
icon in the Isles.  Wagner is definitely an icon in Israel.
The rest are famous people who may have been icons in their
time - in some cases I wouldn't go that far (the Romantic Poets,
for example).  But now, fame has faded and their status as
icons is very, very dubious.

Melmothra, ACC
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:08:26 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) 
reveals his *sign*:
 
> Scorpio rules the generative organs and all the
> Scorps I know are *obsessed* by sex.  This obsession fits
> (!) nicely with my own (Taurus, the earthiest of the earth
> signs), so I notice these things.

Huh!  I *should* have known; let's light
a Camel and discuss it over some Goldbergs.

--jns [yet another bull]
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Blockbuster Video rumors
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:13:23 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) wrote:
>There is a rumor making the rounds that (in the form I heard it)
>the owner of Blockbuster Video franchises in the pnw, John David
>Griesbaum, had given large sums of money to the OCA.  As a result
>a lot of people were angrily marching into local Blockbusters and
>cutting up their cards.
> 
>While I admire such committment, there's just one problem:
> 
>The rumors are untrue.

The owner of Blockbuster Video, H. Wayne, Huizenga, also the owner of
the Florida Marlins and part of Miami Dolphins, and just about everything
else down here, is a conservative Republican.  While he has never
specifically done anything anti-gay in politics, his stores have a strict
policy of not carrying any X or NC-17 movies.  You will also notice that
most stores (at least here) have an almost nonexistent selection of
movies with any LGB content.

>Squash this one folks.  We've got enough real enemies without imagining
>more.

I rent my movies elsewhere.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:22:46 GMT

In article <mattm-061092143948@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew 
Melmon) writes:
>
>There are a number of situations where arriving in a $2,500 dollar suit
>will confer upon you a different treatment than arriving in an old
>grey sweater and tenis shoes.  Fine restaurants.  Banks.  Job interviews.

If I were conducting the interview, you'd be right.  I would think one of
two things: 

1) "What's he trying to pull?"

2) "He doesn't need a job - he can afford to spend $2,500 on a suit." 


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From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 14 Oct 1992 13:11:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article tqnp8vc@lynx.unm.edu, anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:
>In article <1bejd4INNmi@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM writes:
[irrelevant Jason Priestly discussion]
>>Jason Priestly.  Why?  Yuch!
>>Howard
> Well come now Howard (that's cum NOW Howard)

Hmmm.  Tempting, very tempting.  But we still haven't even MET yet. :-)

>JP's not all bad.  Granted, 95% not my type, but give him a couple of
>years and maybe he'll be more mature.  
>
>
>NAHHHHHHHH!

There are certainly other possibilities on TV.  As an odd matter of fact, there is
someone I would choose from virtually all of the 90210 wannabe shows new this 
season.

>
>
>Flapjack

Howard (happy to have another topic to respond to)



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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Getting Together in NYC
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 23:16:19 GMT


In article <Bw60AG.2pn@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com
(Greg Parkinson) writes:

>I'm not sure my postings are getting out - or maybe
>what I've been saying is so dull.  I have *no* way
>of knowing.

Oh yes, *extremely* dull indeed.  But after all, what can
you expect?  You haven't broken a single one of the
Dyer/Shore Requirements, which is a fail-safe guarantee of
Dullness.  I've been meaning to raise this issue, so I'm glad
you asked, you numbskull cutie, you.

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Pickford as Desmond: in closing
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:26:05 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Oct14.002826.21042@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> Melmon you have the depth of an Ernest movie.

No, I prefer the description a friend of mine in Virginia used about
one of his boyfriends:

"He's got all the depth of a mud puddle in a drought".


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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:37:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.132804.20639@seq.uncwil.edu> drollin@seq.uncwil.edu 
(David A. Rollins) writes:
>
>I agree with you wholeheartedly.

David (and others), if you jump into the middle of a discussion with many
participants, like this one, and don't use attributions, which you don't,
we aren't going to know who you're agreeing with. 

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:36:46 GMT

(note to readers: it helps to understand this post (and Donald's
position) when you think in terms of being very obviously nelly/
dykey and having absolutely no ability to blend in with the straights
no matter how much you might want to. That's the parallel for what
Donald lives with.)

Why do people find it hard to understand it when Donald says he has
reservations about trusting white strangers when first meeting them?
Don't you throw your guard up whenever you run into some guy who seems
to be cut from the 'have a beer, watch some football, pork some babes'
mold? (Dykes: are you totally at ease when meeting freshly-parlored,
flowery-printy-dressy, pass-the-Midol-I'm-having-my-curse types? (NOTE:
PLEASE don't read this as sexist!)) You have to be careful when inter-
acting with these types; they just might be raging bigots who'd sooner
have you crisped than knowingly talk to you. Be thankful we have porta-
closets. Degrading, but very useful in mixed situations.

(find the concept of getting into a closet repulsive? Donald does too.)

(and isn't it annoying when straight friends know you're queer, but
choose to make it a non-issue, pretending instead that you're just
asexual so they don't have to confront their prejudices? When they're
embarassed, but don't really take it seriously when they call someone
a queer and you object ('well, it slipped! Please, I didn't mean it
*that* way.)? Donald does too.)

John, hippetyhopping along scattering clues for good little boys and
girls to find under trees and in tufts of grass

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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
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