From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Distribution: world,public
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:46:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.161139.13531@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.141114.11620@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.210152.19416@arden.linet.org> joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
>
>
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>>Seems that Stephen Doe has done us all a favor by warping the subject very
>>badly. Here are the facts:
>>
>>1) I have NOT made any theses or hard statements, thus I am indifferent
>>2) This was meant as a poll for opinions, NOT an argument
>>3) I can believe that some people are offended, but then say what your
>>opinion is, DON'T flame me.
>
>I have a hard time believing you don't have an emotional attachment to
>your thesi--I mean, "sincere observation."  Does the fact that it is

You really are bitching as much as you can. I'm glad I don't have such an
attitude.

>only a sincere observation mean you don't need to back it up?  Does
>that mean we are assholes for pointing out that your pre-conceptions
>*might* have an effect on your observations.  

And when did I call you an asshole? And why can't your pre-conceptions work
on your opinions?

>
>My opinion, Iikka, is that 1) IQ is probably not as good a measurement

"The greatest thing psychologists have ever made."

>as you think 2) you have a huge emotional attachment to your position,

Sorry, but you haven't given me any proof/evidence to think otherwise, 
that's why my current stand is what it is. Nothing to do with emotion.

>blinding you to the possibility that even people as intelligent as
>yourself may arrive at a different belief--I think you need this
>notion of atheistic superiority to bolster your self image, hence the
>hostility to those of us who pointed out any weaknesses in your
>position.  

I can't help it if the facts are hard. "Hostility"? You think I am hostile
if I am not you in every opinion?

>
>You could have saved yourself from getting flamed, if instead of going
>on about my "emotional attachment" to Christianity, and other absurd

I still find it ridiculous, even humorous, for you to take that statement
as an insult. Maybe a weak excuse to start insulting me?

>and insulting statements that anyone interested can see for themselves
>in your previous posts, you had answered my posts rationally.  I think

And how would've I had to respond if I wanted to respond rationally?

>most of us can see that your anecdotal evidence is a load of crap, and
>that your criticism of my saying so has just been one long ad hominem
>attack.  You've done a lot to show that atheists can be just as
>irrational when it comes to deeply held beliefs as any theists.

Does it give you a good feeling when you bash someone? You aren't doing
much more.

>
>SD


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