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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Exercise (Was Re: anyone know anything about laundry?)
Date: 6 Apr 1992 15:04:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <j7h0rgk@zola.esd.sgi.com> 
portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:
| In article <ktuviqINN5e1@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphson writes:
| >I am currently attempting to get myself in shape (I have my
| >reasons), 
|
| Don't we all, dear.

Yes, I suppose we do.

| >but I loathe gym-type exercise. [...] Does anyone out there
| >have any suggestions for what I can do?
|
| Rollerblades, hon.  It's the new hip-trendy fag thing to
| do...

Rollerblades!  Now why didn't I think of that?  I should feel like an
utter fool zipping down my steep steep steep street and then crawling
back up, but I think you may have hit on the solution!  Although I
did love one private communication suggesting that I carry people
up and down stairs.  I'm not sure I'd like people sitting on my
stomach, his other suggestion, but I suppose I'm game for that too.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: miller@dewey.udel.edu (Loris Miller)
Subject: Roommate needed in NJ
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: nj, pa, de
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:19:19 GMT

Roommate needed to share 2-bedroom apt. in Merchantville, NJ.

20 minutes to Philly, $325 + 1/2 utilities

Has A/C, DW, W/D and off-street parking.  Male or female ok (current
occupant is female).  Must like dogs.

If intereseted, e-mail your name and phone number to miller@asel.udel.edu
and I'll pass your info to the person with the space.
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:06:25 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <1992Apr10.135120.5850@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
|> In article <j9sg98o@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
|> >In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
|> >>As some of you may remember, one of my New Year's resolutions was to become
|> >>more butch (another was to flirt more).
|> >
|> >*flirt flirt*
|> >
|> >>politically correct, so I bought some.  I also started looking for some
|> >>cowboy boots. 
|> >
|> >cowboy boots are not what you need.  You need motorcycle boots or army
|> >boots... Really...
|> 
|> White leather gogoboots.

I had white _patent_ leather gogoboots; they were
actually plastic so you could clean the lipstick off
of them with Fantastic or Formula 409.  I still have
them, but plastic scuffs so that they are beyond 
anything other than nostalgia.
-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: The name claim to fame game
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:18:29 GMT

In article <nominedomini@vadier.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (\'Eamonn Mac M\'aghnuis) writes:
>                      ,
>fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (Fabian Jacob van Wingerde) writes:
>>:But two can play at this game, Mlinar.  From henceforth I demand that
>>:if you refer to me by name, you pronounce it in the correct, Norwegian
>>:way.  Yes, that includes the rising and falling tones. 
>>You guys don't want me in this argument. Believe me. Or Tsilke instead.
>
>I have a suspicion that there are more than a few motssers who can
>pull pronunciation skeletons out of their otherwise unused closets.
>
>,       ,           ,
>Eamonn Padraig Mac Maghnuis

GADS! My Great-grandmother tried to teach me how to pronounce our family
name in Bohemian... needless to say I cannot spell the thing and just 
saying it makes my tounge numb.

My Grandmother, in a wondrous display of insight, married a man named
Hicks. I can spell this. 

The other side of the family is Sweeney, from Ireland. My Grandfather 
spoke Gaelic. I used to sit enthralled while he spoke in it. Alas I
never asked him about my family, his brothers and sisters, in Ireland
and he passed away in 1978. "Shawn" was a compromise between my father
and granfather. My mother, Eileen, and Uncle, Eugene, have traditional
spellings. (Or at least I *think* they are traditional. After seeing
Eamonn's name, I'm not sure...)

Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: UK General Election (1)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:54:23 GMT

In article <29e01b4b@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
>Hello colleagues, friends, comrades, ladies and gentlemen.

>First of all, perhaps I should explain what's going on.  In
>US terms, we're electing the legislature and the executive
>in one go.  There will be 651 members of the new House of
>Commons, each of whom is elected by the voters in a
>particular area, or constituency, of the UK.  

>(I won't talk about Northern Ireland.  Their 17 seats are
>also up for election, but apart from one semi-official Tory,
>none of the mainland parties stand there, and the issues are
>entirely different.)


>Here in Scotland, we have a different situation again. 
>There are 72 seats, 

Sorry if this isn't the right group, or deals with the issue, but
something did occur to me:

If Scotland really only about 10% of the United Kingdom, and is
Northern Ireland only about 2% of the UK?

Charlie


Xref: sparky soc.motss:20314 soc.bi:4530
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Evolutionary reason for homo/bisexuality?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:00:18 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

i didn't quote any of the previous post becasue it was very long and
i didn't want to edit out the vast majority of it.  

to rich (i think):
you are asking the wrong question, or the right question in a 
meaningless way.  

you phrase your question as though the human animal is the only 
species exhibiting homosexual behavior, thus, in this vacuum of 
"survival of the fittest" and related propagation-based evolutionary
theories why did this develop in humans.  

since *many* (if not most) animals, from simple/primitive to complex/
advanced also exhibit varying levels of homosexual behavior, we need
to look like why it is a behavior *at*all*, not why it is a behavior
in humans.  if you really want to ask, which many people, 'phobes 
gays alike, apparently do.  it doesn't particularly interest me 
right now.  take all the phases of your questions and apply them to 
wide variety of species and you will see the problem.  

sigh.  
peg
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Asimov and sexism
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:35:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.214655.8437@cs.ubc.ca> 
 manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>ObMotss: Name three famous gay or lesbian SF writers (these should all
>be Big Names in the Field). This isn't a challenge; it's too easy. 

You're right.  I take it you wouldn't call Gael Baudino a Big Name,
but off the top of my head:  Chip Delany, Joanna Russ, Tom Disch,
Arthur C. Clarke.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "I write science fiction for reasons that remain obscure to me --
   perhaps I was dropped on my head as a child."
                    --Tom Maddox (tmaddox@u.washington.edu)
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Ales  (was: Re: outing the stars)
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:05:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36249
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


In article <exotica.703301514@milton> exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman) writes:
>markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>
>>[a poorly worded insult to Widmer Heffeweisen which unfortunately cast
>> aspertions on the real thing]
>
>"Near Beer", indeed. Humph. What kinda ingrates are you hanging
>around with anyway, Mark? 

Oops!  A thousand pardons!  I meant 'Widmer' Heffeweisen gets referred to 
as 'near beer' by a fairly large number of people down here.  I'll go
drink a Coors Light as punishment.  (please no flames about the Coors - it's
only a joke).

So Tsilke, should we start a thread trying to guess all of the spices in
Red Hook ale?

ob-motss:  The last time I had Red Hook was during a rather interesting
mooning war between the balconies at Doc Maynards in Pioneer Square (Seattle)
where the participants were a fairly good looking group of men, about ten
per balcony.  Afterwords, we all got together on the bleachers to compare
uh, notes.  I haven't been to Doc's in about three years.  Does anyone know if
the mooning wars still happen?


--mark

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Subject: Re: Household names (wasRe: Heinlein and sexism )
Organization: Silicon Graphics
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.170141.10725@husc3.harvard.edu> goldfarb@husc4.harvard.edu (Warren Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <3245@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
>>
>>Hmmm--what are some motss-related household words? 
>
>In the U.K. there is Fairy Liquid (dishwashing liquid) ; I was delighted
>to discover here in the US a toilet-bowl cleanser called Swish.
>

There is a rip-off of Fantastic. It uses very similar packaging, and performs
the same function.  But, it is called... "Fabulous!"

pauli.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser)
Subject: Re: Responding to Bigots
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 19:55:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.120736.1304@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

[reference to letter omitted]

>The writer points out that he *does* think it's useful, and
>cites the example of a friend who wrote him about how
>reassured he was to see the bigots' arguments so decisively
>trounced.

A very good point, indeed. And interestingly enough it reminds me
of the changes I went through during the last two years.

When I first started reading soc.motss in the Summer of 1990, I
was actually most interested in the answers of motsseurs to bigots.
I was only at the beginning of my coming out to others and I had a 
very strong *feeling* that there was nothing wrong with being gay
and being out. What made me feel pretty insecure at that time was
that I was still lacking the arguments, in case someone would doubt
my feeling of being on the right way. (Of course, to live what you feel
is right and be happy with it should be a very strong statement by itself.
However, for some people this does just not seem to be sufficient.)

By hearing these arguments (e.g. by reading them on soc.motss) I got
much more relaxed about coming out to people, since I would be able
to 'defend' myself in case it became necessary (it almost never did).
I finally even gave up my book-keeping of people-who-knew-I-was-gay and
people-who-didn't, up to a point where I did no longer care about who 
knew and who didn't. I started to feel confident enough to have an
answer or a reply, in case someone would come up with a question or a
stupid comment.


Keeping these changes in mind, I will be a little less annoyed and
less frustrated about all the bigots being on the net recently; it
almost seems like bigotry strikes back to its originators this time.

Isn't this a nice thought?

--markus
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:35:25 GMT

> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>You can't tiptoe in boots - everybody's gonna know you're coming. 

Real Fairies(tm) can tiptoe in *anything* -- even wooden clogs,
even ski-boots, even full-leg casts... :-)
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Seasoned Motssers (was Re: Responding to Bigots)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:40:19 GMT

In article <rvsj95+.onr@netcom.com>, onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> 
> Theres es no such thing as too much Garlic
> 
> > anchovies.
> 
> NOT!
> for that .. no Garlic for you.
> For leaving out Chocolate,
> none of that either!

If you like your garlic and your chocolate in the same dish, I don't
know what to say.

Bear in mind that what you "taste" like doesn't necessarily have
anything to do with your persional tastes in food.

> 
> Don't forget
> 
> Robert Coren 	Rocky Mountain Oysters to match is wit, ....
> 		and grits :-)

Hmm... not being sure how to take this, I will assume that it is
intended as a compliment.
	Robert
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Crusades (was Re: Deletions)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:58:03 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Apr11.153830.28224@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu  
(Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <57258@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
> (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> 
> >Tim Pierce writes:
> 
> >>Do you have anything better to do with your time, George?
> 
> >I could turn the "haven't you got anything better to do"
> >question around at you -- why are you wasting YOUR time
> >razzing me over a couple *SHORT* jabs at Computing
> >Obscenity, when they could be just as easily skipped as any
> >other thread you aren't interested in?
> 
> One possibility, George, is that you do seem to be pretty
> razzable on this Unix issue, practically to the point of
> inviting people to take the bait.  Your point that they
> don't *have* to take the bait, though, is a solid one.

Actually, Furr spurns every system save his own favorite Amiga. He is  
unswayed by the popularity of DOS/Windows, the native appeal of the  
Macintosh, the power of NextStep or the charming (#$&#^%!) eccentricities  
of the various X flavors. Don't knock the characteristic... if only lovers  
were so faithful!
:-)

-Anthony
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Blumbergs postings.
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:44:07 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Mar25.162226.14132@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
:In article <1992Mar25.074912.9538@reed.edu>,
: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes, regarding the wholesale
: reproduction of homophobic literature in soc.motss:
:
:>Do these postings really bother motss readers...?
:
:Yes, they bother me a whole hell of a lot.  

Missed a 'vote' Bryan.

     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:04:38 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <57053@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton
Madison) writes:

>Which rather reminds me of Harlan Ellison's comment that he'd
>never had a gay man make a pass at him -- and wondered what
>was wrong with HIM that it had never happened....(!)

Deutchmarks to donuts it is het obliviousness--he had passes made at
him, and never noticed I'll bet.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:59:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

In article <65037@apple.Apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) lists:
>>
>>As for the household word, I'm no sf maven.  Mixer?  Blender?
>>Chopper?  Spoon?  Lamp?  Staircase?
>>
>Would these be Tom Mixer, Blender Starr, Dennis Chopper, Spoon River,
>Charles Lamp and Alister Staircase, perchance?

I suggested Thomas Disch, who IS gay, but nobody has commented
on it yet, including the poster of the original question.

I wanna know, am I right?  And when do I get my prize?


Michelle
From: fax0405@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Twin Separated at Birth
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:21:21 EST
Organization: Univ of Toledo, Carlson Library

In article <1992Apr10.172304.13747@u.washington.edu>, exotica@
milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.142210.6408@ircam.fr> francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
 writes:
>>In article <exotica.702844743@milton> exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke
 Pearlman) writes:
 
> I think we have a date with a tape measure, my dear. We got our photos
> back and it is certainly close-the one of you and me clearly shows we
> spend similar amounts of time at the gym (and are the same height and
> have the same general taste and body structure. I can't say I'm displeased...).
> 
> I can't wait to get you in Seattle and put you in *my* leathers!
> 
> Oh, and I almost forgot-we're the same age! News Flash! Jojo and Tsilke:
> Twins seperated at birth?!
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	

     Sounds like the theme that a friend & I used to explain our attire to
Halloween party that we attended.  Since most of my friends knew that I am both
a fraternal twin & a leathered librarian, my date & I agreed to wear matching
outfits under the guise of  "Twin Leathered Librarians, Separated at Birth".

     T-shirts bearing the comic book type illustration of "Super Librarian"
over a lilac background, with everything else in simple but elegant black
leather: vest, jeans, harness boots & studded belt.

     Toppped off by matching beards & caps with the BEAR magazine logo.

                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
(w): 419-537-2629      fac2813@uoft01                            *   
(h): 419-243-2740      fac2813@uoft01.utoledo.edu         B4 t+ w- g s+ k
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stuart S Goldstone)
Subject: Re: Cornell Protests Military Ban
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:50:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.215945.24829@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>[]
>In a move that surprised the hell out of yours truly, the
>Cornell University Board of Trustees has written a letter to
>Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney asking that the ban on
>gay people in the military be lifted.  They pointed out 
>that Cornell has a commitment to ending discrimination, and
>that they only reason that the military is allowed to 
>recruit on the university campus is because of federal law
>(it's a long story).
>
>Those of you who are also at universities where there are
>active ROTC programs and on-campus military recruitment may
>want to ask your school to do the same.  I think it's a great
>idea.

	In the student newspaper here at Hopkins it was reported last week
that the Student Council voted (not unanimously, by the way) to strongly
recommend to the administration that they advise the Department of Defense
that ROTC's discriminatory policy goes completely against Hopkins' non-
discrimination policy.

	  I'm a freshman but I'm told that last year there was quite an
argument here, where GALA (Gay and Lesbian Association, since renamed B-GALA
to include bisexuals) was calling for the expulsion of ROTC from campus.
From what I've heard, the administration agreed to give the Department of
Defense five years to change their policy or ROTC will be phased out.
People don't sound hopeful since Hopkins was the first campus to ever have
ROTC on campus and it's so close to DC.  Most say that when the five years
are up the administration will do nothing or will come up with some excuse
to give them more time.

	(Hopkins relies heavily on the government for funding for such
projects as the Applied Physics Laboratory; the government is also a major
contractor for Hopkins projects.  This is why many believe that the Hopkins
administration will never agree to do something which might upset the
government.)
-- 
         Stuart S. Goldstone	      | "You may know what you need but to get
Internet: golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu |   what you want, better see that you
       BITNET: golds_ss@jhuvms	      |		 keep what you have."
 QuantumLink: MorbdCharm, QDJ Morbd   |			-- Stephen Sondheim
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GBLO fic (Was Re: Alexander the Great )
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:31:20 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr6.183713.19743@u.washington.edu>
rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

>The scariest part is that most of these women got their start
>writing male/male stories/porn from writing fan fiction about
>Kirk and Spock's sexual relationship, (Except for the one who
>got started writing about Starsky and Hutch's sexual relationship.)

>(The scariest part is, they're great fun (for women) to read....)

Well, I find that the sex scenes in lesbian fiction are more
interesting that in straight fiction, though I'm not exactly sure why.
It doesn't turn me on exactly but I can relate to it.



--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hayes@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Originator: hayes@python.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
	<1992Apr16.215210.8506@athena.cs.uga.edu> <jkovbug@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:17:19 GMT

In article <jkovbug@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

   She may not have been exploiting homosexuals, but she certainly exploited
   those dancers.  She would not remove scenes which bothered them.  The
   scene where one of the dancers kisses the other on the lips was one which
   the dancer involved wanted removed.  His mother's comments on it were
   telling "now, the only people who did not know that ______ was gay, his
   grandparents, saw it on TV."  or somesuch thing.

Oh get real. First of all, the guy with the camera should have clued them
in. And if that didn't work, the release forms they had to sign before
going on tour must have.

---PCH
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Basic Instinct protests
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.055801.7573@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US> rob@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (S^u~n^wa U~ Wachi) writes:
>twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) wrote:
>>Personally, I agree with the conclusions of the Meese Commission
>>(if that is what they concluded -- I honestly didn't pay them
>>much mind at the time) in that media depictions of sex and
>>violence tend to encourage sex and violence.
>
>On what basis do you hold this agreement? Just a feeling? A bias?
>Or some studies with findings?

A feeling, Rob, a bias.  Hence the word "personally" above.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.motss