From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [English+Japanese]
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 03:01:26 GMT

Hi, this time my opinion against Mr. Hamada's article.
$B5WLn$G$9!#:#EY$OIMED$5$s$N5-;v$X$NH?O@$G$9!#(J

>nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA) writes: (translation by Kuno)
> $B8=;~E@$G$O$^$@$O$C$-$j$HH?BP$9$k$o$1$G$O$"$j$^$;$s$,!"$I$&$b5$$K$J$k$N$G!#(J
> At this point, I'm not objecting to the group, but I'm suspicious...

  $B$O$$$O$$!#5?Ld$O$I$s$I$s=P$7$FD:$$$?J}$,4r$7$$$G$9!#(J
  All right, I'm grad to hear your opinion.

>   fj.misc $B$N5-;v$r8+$k$H!"(Jfj $B$NB>$N%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$G$-$A$s$H5DO@$9$k(J
>  $B$3$H$,$G$-$kOCBj$G$"$k$K$b$+$+$o$i$:!"5-;v$,F|K\8l$G$O$J$$$H$$$&$@$1$N(J
> $BM}M3$G(J fj.misc $B$H$$$&ITE,@Z$J%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$KEj9F$5$l!"$=$N7k2L5DO@(J
> $B$H$$$&$h$j$OC1$J$k$*$7$c$Y$j$K$*$o$C$F$7$^$C$F$$$k5-;v$,Hs>o$KB?$$$h$&(J
> $B$K;W$$$^$9!#(J
>   From the current status of fj.misc, it seems that most topics have
> their own appropriate fj.XXX newsgropus, yet all the people are using
> fj.misc inappropriately only because the article is in English, and
> this result in only some chats instead of useful discussion.  In most
> cases.

  $BIMED$5$s$,9M$($F$i$C$7$c$k$H;W$o$l$k!VE,@Z$J%0%k!<%W!W(J
fj.rec.foods, fj.rec.travel, fj.living $B$N8=>u$H$/$i$Y$FC1$J$k$*(J
$B$7$c$Y$j$@$H$b;d$O;W$o$J$$$N$G$9$,!#(J
  I myself do not feel them as "only some chats", compared to
the group fj.rec.foods, fj.rec.travel and fj.living, which I
guess Mr. Hamada is mentioning.

> $B$H$$$&7{>O$@$H!">l$,(J fj.misc $B$+$i?7$7$$%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$X$H0\$k$@$1$G!"(J
> $B>u67$KJQ2=$O@8$8$J$$$G$7$g$&!#(J
> Is the charter being proposed, so this situation will remain the same
> even if new group is successfully created.

  $B$G$b!"F|K\$K$$$k309q?M$N?M!"$*$h$S$=$l$i$N?M$H8rN.$7$h$&$H;W$&(J
$B?M$,K\Ev$K8rN.$r;O$a$?$N$O$[$s$N:G6a$J$o$1$G$9$+$i!"4{$K?tG/$NNr(J
$B;K$r;}$D(Jfj$B$NB>$N%0%k!<%W$H0c$C$F!V$I$&$9$k$N$,NI$$$+!W$H$$$&6&DL(J
$B$NG'<1$,DjCe$7$F$$$J$$!"$H$$$&LL$b$"$j$^$9!#$3$l$+$iNI$$J}8~$rLO(J
$B:w$7$?$C$F$$$$$G$7$g$&(J?
  However, visitors in Japan plus those who would like to communicate
with them have got their oppotunity really recently, so their
common habits has yet to develop, compared to the long-lived other
fj newsgroups.  Why not allow us to develop good habits from now
on?

>   $B2?8N(J fj.misc $B$KITE,@Z$JOCBj$rEj9F$7B3$1$k$N$+M}2r$K6l$7$_$^$9$,!"(J
>   I can't imagine why they keep using inappropriate newsgroup fj.misc,

  $B$[$s$H$K6l$7$_$^$9(J? $BEz$($O4JC1$G!"B>$N(Jfj$B$N%0%k!<%W$@$H2?$NH?(J
$B1~$bLc$($J$$>l9g$,$[$H$s$I$@$+$i$G$7$g!#(Jfj.rec.comic$B$J$s$FNc30(J
$B$8$c$J$$$+$J$"!#$@$+$i(Jcomic$B$NOCBj$O=P$F$J$$$G$7$g(J :-)
  Can't imagine? Really? It's simple; they will simply get no
response at all on other fj groups, in most cases.  fj.rec.comic
is an exception, so we don't have comic topics on fj.misc :-)

> $B$=$&$$$&?M$?$A$,E,@Z$J%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$NMxMQ$r5qH]$7!"$=$l$G$b$J$*!V!X8r(J
> $BN.$N>l!Y$,$[$7$$!W$H<gD%$J$5$k$J$i$P!"I,MW$H$5$l$F$$$k$N$O%K%e!<%9%0%k!<(J
> $B%W$G$O$J$/$F%a!<%j%s%0%j%9%H$G$O$J$$$N$G$9$+!)(J
> but if such peopel still require the place for communication, yet
> refusing the use of appropriate groups, then I supporse what that they
> really need is not a new newsgroup, but a mailing-list.  Isn't it
> correct?

  $B>e$G=R$Y$?$h$&$K!"(Jfj.misc$B$N8=>u$,K>$^$7$/$J$$$J$i$=$l$r2~A1$9(J
$B$k5!2q$rM?$($F$/$l$?$C$F$$$$$8$c$J$$$G$9$+!#KL@n$5$s$,Ds0F$5$l$F(J
$B$k%/%m%9%]%9%HJ}<0$J$s$+$b;n$7$F$_$?$$$G$9$M!#$=$&$$$&<B83$r$r(J
fj.misc$B$GB3$1$k$N$O$h$/$J$$$G$7$g$&$+$i!"$H$j$"$($:?7$7$$%0%k!<(J
$B%W:n$m$&$C$F$$$&$3$H$G$4M}2r$*4j$$$G$-$^$;$s$+!#(J
  As above, I think we can have oppotunity to develop better
method.  One of them will be cross-posting, which Mr. Kitagawa
has proposed.  But continuing such experiment on fj.misc forever
will be inappropriate, so I am asking you to allow doing that
on new newsgroup being proposed.

  $B%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$O:n$k$J!"(Jfj.misc$B$+$i$O=P$F$$$1$C$F$$$&$N$O7k(J
$B6I@N$N!VF|K\$K$$$k309q?M$*$h$SH`$i$H8rN.$7$h$&$H$7$F$$$k?M$K$O8r(J
$BN.$N>l$,$J$$!W$H$$$&>uBV$KLa$k$3$H$G$9$h$M!#$=$l$O:$$k!#(J
  If you insist not creating the new group and not using
fj.misc, then the result is the old status; visitors in Japan
and people who'd like to communicate with them will simply have
no place for communication.  That's undesireble.

							    $B5WLn(J
						    Yasushi Kuno
Newsgroups: fj.news.group