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From: browntf@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd f)
Subject: Re: Dreamlight
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:49:29 GMT

pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul vader) writes:

>Since you are the first person here to mention owning a Dreamlight,
>could you please summarize some of the features of the device? The
>ad was long on the benefits of Lucid dreaming, and very short on nuts
>and bolts technical info. For example; exactly what does the PC
>interface actually do? PV
>-- 
>Paul Vader                                  |  "What? You think that 
>pv@gagme.chi.il.us                          |   soup is a biped?"
>Systems Analyst and lurker-about-newsgroups |     --Crow, MST3K 
>--------------------------------------------+-----------------------


Hi Paul!  (Any relation to Darth? - I bet you get that all the time!)

Yes, I do own a DreamLight.  From what I understand, the PC interface
has not been developed yet.  There is a port on the DreamLight to hook
it up with a computer, but the software/hardware link has not been
developed yet.  The information that it would provide is dependent on
what information is tracked by the DreamLight itself.  I am not exactly
sure about this...

The DreamLight comes with a sizeable manual which details many of the
functions.  The features are impressive and are actually MORE than is
described in the ad.  You can set flash rate, ramp, brightness, dream
alarm loudness, time/date, sensitivity (there is an internal sensitivity
check that can be activated to "custom fit" the device to your
particular REM pattern), delay, "reality check" on the sleep mask, etc.

There are many other features that I haven't mentioned.  I don't have
the manual with me right now...  Your best bet for more information is
to post a message to Jennifer Dole and have her detail all of the
features.  She knows more about it that I do.


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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:00:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.141222.7128@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
howardc@victoria.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:

   I have read and noticed that breathing in dreams is _directly_
   related to actual breathing.  For example, I recently had a dream
   where I was holding my breath because of noxious fumes, and awoke
   to find that I had actually been holding my breath.  If you dreamt
   that you were underwater, and could breathe, I think that is simply
   caused by the fact that in reallity (in the physical world) you can
   breathe freely while asleep, whether you were underwater in the
   dreamscape or not.

Not just your opinion.  Stephen LaBerge at the Lucidity Institute has
recorded lucid dreamers holding their breath in their dreams, after
signaling on a polygraph.  The sleeping person holds their breath for
just as long as the dreaming persona does.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (-8  Big Bad Bob (B3)  8-)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.config,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:33:36 GMT
Organization: The HRC

In article <1992Jul29.153007.41987@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>If the name alt.astrology didn't prevent the skeptics from posting why
>will alt.out-of-body work? You can't restrict who posts to a group by

Very true. However, it is perfectly easy to just skip the sceptical message,
and if one (or more) sceptics starts posting antagonistic messages regularly,
it is also perfectly easy to kill off all their articles on entry (if 
necessary, instructions on  exactly how to do so could be posted.) Particularly
unpleasant cases could have requests sent to the site manager to drop the
newsgroup.  This, however, seems not to be the issue.

>in alt.dreams, I would recommend that it stay there.  The groups only
>seems to get about 10-15 articles per day, so volume isn't an issue.
>With alt.paranormal and alt.dreams, why do we need another group?

As I have pointed out on many occasions, to many people, if you don't like
a group, don't read it. If people want to discuss it, then it is their
express right to do so. If they want to discuss it without 'static' from
alt.dreams (which also hides the discussion area), that is also their
express right. If you don'tlike it, don't read it. Simple, and much more
pleasant for everyone. If you run your system, don't carry it. The only
real justification for such opposition to a harmless group is that of the
crusader, cleansing the world of all that s/he dislikes.

I trust you are not a crusader.

Tim.

PS - excuse my british ignorance, but is 'SKEPTIC' the correct American
spelling of the British equivalent 'SCEPTIC', or is it just a net.jargon
affectation?!  Thanks in advance for enlightenment...!



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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Jewelry Dream
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:23:47 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <gDPFoB2w164w@saviour.UUCP> hogarth@saviour.UUCP (hogarth) writes:

>zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

>> >In article <105856.8275@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Kevin Eckhert writes...
>> 
>> >>earring is ripped off right through the lobe (I'm positive that I saw this
>> >>happen to someone in a movie, can anyone help?).  So now I'm walking down
>> 
>> Yes I saw this.  Can't recall which movie though.
>> 
>It happened in a Music Video.
>Slaughter's The Wild Life
>Hope that helps.

Not where I saw it - I think it was some gangster doing the typical mistreat-
the-moll bit.  Is ripping earrings out some kind of archetypical symbol?

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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Dream/Reality
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:46:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <philip.712283925@labtam> philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:
>Alan Smith writes:
>
>>But that's just a side issue.  I was reading one of the sci.skeptic posts
>>where someone was refuting someone else's claim that it was easy to tell
>>dream from reality.
>
>  If it were easy to tell dream from reality, then we would all be having lucid
>dreams every night of the week.  

I'm afraid that I do not see how the conclusion follows from the proposition.

>                                 As it is, most of us don't realise we have
>been dreaming until we wake up!

And some of us do not remember dreaming at all.

>  Aside from that, there is a well known phenomena called False Awakening that
>can occur after a lucid dream has concluded, in which the person believes they
>have woken up and procede to go about their day, oblivious to the fact they are
>still dreaming.  I know, since it has happened to me!  I got quite a shock when
>I finally did wake up :-)

If False awakening is as common as lucid dreaming (very uncommon), then I
am not sure what it says about dreaming in general. Hmmm, if it is always
associated with lucid dreaming, then both might result from the same cause.

>  So, to the person who stated that it was easy to tell dream from reality, I
>have only one thing to say to them: you are making the mistake of comparing
>dreams to reality WHEN YOU HAVE WOKEN UP.  

Is it possible that most (or even some) -can- tell dreams from reality, while
some cannot. This seems to be a matter of perceptions more than state. At
least, all the evidence I have seen so far has been perceptual.

And since I do not remember dreams, I suspect that I would not make this
mistake when I wake up. Assuming that I do dream (they say everyone does),
how would I know that I was in a dream?

>                                          There is quite a difference between
>experiencing a dream and remembering a dream, although it's no different from
>experiencing a waking event and remembering that event later.  So get your
>terms of reference right before you make your claims :-)
>
>  Happy dreaming,
>  Philip Stephens
>  Labtam Australia Pty Ltd
>  philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dream/Reality
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:31:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) 

arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith) writes:

AS>But that's just a side issue.  I was reading one of the sci.skeptic posts
AS>where someone was refuting someone else's claim that it was easy to tell
AS>dream from reality.  (I didn't read the names)  Anyway, the refuter
AS>mentioned that he often had dreams where he would get up, dress, eat, go
AS>to work, and *then* wake up.  (Usually saying something along the lines of
AS>"Oh, man, I gotta do that *again?*")  Sometimes these dreams would get
AS>three levels deep.

AS>I, personally, have had dreams like that, except my dreams sometimes were
AS>about stuff I didn't have to do that day.  ("Oh, just a dream, good
AS>deal.")  I have also experienced the opposite phenomenon, where I am awake
AS>but it feels like I'm dreaming.  Usually I either have just woken up or
AS>have been sitting down giving rapt attention to a fiction book I was
AS>reading.  Then I stand up.  My blood mass stays at it's previous level,
AS>though, so my brain doesn't get enough oxygen and I'm convinced I'm
AS>dreaming (or that what I'm experiencing is *not* reality)  Then my
AS>cardiovascular system picks up and I suddenly realize that where I am *is*

Stephen LeBerge recommends reading something, looking away, then reading
it again.  If you're dreaming, the words will *not* be the same.  I have
tried this and found it to be the case (in fact, it's my most reliable
method of inducing LDs).  I would *love* to hear from anyone for whom
this is *not* the case.

I don't read sci.skeptics.  I think it would be cool if you would post
this info to whoever you're referring to.  (sorry bout the grammar, it's
late...)  It really does work.

M.
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From: pally@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Pally Hoffstein)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: early morn nightmares
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:43:32 GMT
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada

I'm currently experiencing a nightmare problem and I'm hoping some of you out
there might be able to help.

I've developed a tendancy to waking up in the morning, about two hours before
I want to. I have no difficulty falling back to sleep but when I do I
experience nightmares of a kind I've never had before.
These nightmares are always very violent and very graphic in nature. No one
that I know is in these dreams but myself. The perspective of the dreams is
that I see things as if I were watching a movie. That is, I see myself from a
distance rather than experiencing the dream from inside a personal
perspective. Despite that, I feel the panic and fears that affect my
"dream-self".
The dreams start out non violent and then seem to erupt. First violence from
people around me on eachother, then they pursue me (I wake when they catch
me). For example I dreamt I was in a fast-food restaurant and all was normal.
Suddenly one person starts fighting with another (smaller) person. Soon
everyone is trying to kill eachother, some people form packs to pick out
individuals. Eventually they single out me and the chase begins.
In another example I was in Japan with a gang of youths who roamed the
countryside looking for victims. When they find some the butchery with axes or
even chainsaws begin and they videotape the acts. They string me along to
enjoy their "fun" and when I don't they go after me. These nightmares have
been pretty grisly. Rapes and mutilations (without killing) are other features
often occuring.
I still have "normal" nightmares and dreams is the other times of the night.
It's only these early morning nightmares that get like this. They've become
more frequent than I would like and now, when I wake up, I'm worried about
falling back to sleep and I need the sleep. I'm not a person prone to
violence; I don't even like violence in films. Or maybe there is a violent
part of me trying to get out? I don't know. 

Have any of you experienced anything similar to this? If so, do you know the
cause and how long did it last. I've been suffering this for a few months now.
Any suggestions on how to beat this would be very much appreciated.

pally hoffstein
vancouver, canada
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I will walk into the fire until it's heat doesn't burn me,
And I will feed the fire.		  		Sarah McLachlan
Xref: sparky alt.dreams:2693 alt.oobe:20 alt.config:4888
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe,alt.config
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Summary: oops on oobe?
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:46:06 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

out-of-body    yes
if not wanted at top level, i'm afraid i'd prefer
alt.paranormal.out-of-body
everybody agrees dreams are a real phenomenon
not everybody agrees that obes are a real phenomenon

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From: xxbc10@ucrmath.ucr.edu (joannie humphreys)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Reading in Dreams
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:20:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Not only can i read in dreams but I can read differennt languages,
I like studnng dead alphebets as a hobby. I was trying to translate
this one thinge for a long time when I finnally gave up and went to 
bed, that night I dreamed I was still studing the sample and I got
an idea on how to figure it out. I remembbered the dream when I woke
up and immediatly checked it...it worked!
    Come to think of it I do a lot of problem solving in my dreams,
be they social, mathematical, languistic, or logical (I've written
programs in my dreams before...had some cleaver ideas come forth)
                             - Joannie Humphreys
Xref: sparky alt.dreams:2699 alt.oobe:24
From: roskos@telerobo.rutgers.edu (Roskos)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: methods for inducing an obe
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:20:23 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

The method I have used successfully involves continuously telling
myself while lying in bed that although I will fall asleep, I will
become conscious enough when the time comes to experience the OBE.  As
others have noticed, being very relaxed is important to success.  Just
becoming awake enough when the time comes generally means you will be
relaxed, provided you have overcome fear.

I have noticed that there is a very short "spark" or short-circuit of
the body and mind which enables separation.  Do others also experience
this?

As far as dreaming about an OBE rather than experiencing one, this
*MIGHT* be a result of riding the boundary between sleep and being
awake.  You know you are not awake, and you may feel the numbness,
disorientation, and vibrations which go along with an OBE, but
separation has not taken place.  What might others think?  Do others
also experience physical body numbness, disorientation, and vibrations
during an OBE?
From: monnier@csa3.lbl.gov (JOHN MONNIER)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: addictions...
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:30:17 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: monnier@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   


I smoke (but I'm quitting next week....)
but I notice that I have NEVER had a dream (that I remember)
where I smoke, or even want to smoke..

?

is this true with other addictions?

A friend of mine said that he as taken lsd in a dream, but
lsd isn't physcially addictive?

thanks...
john monnier

Newsgroups: alt.dreams,sci.skeptic
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Dream/Reality
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:13:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul28.185300.29606@cco.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <!=mm8aq.payner@netcom.com>, payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>In article <philip.712283925@labtam> philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:
>>>Alan Smith writes:
>>>If it were easy to tell dream from reality, then we would all be having lucid
>>>dreams every night of the week.  
>>
>>I'm afraid that I do not see how the conclusion follows from the proposition.
>
>A lucid dream is one in which you're dreaming and you know you're dreaming. 
>Given that you have several dreams every night, if you could easily distinguish
>between dream and reality, these dreams would, by definition, be lucid dreams.
>
>However, I think that the problem here is that Rich and Alan are talking about
>two different things:  Alan's talking about distinguishing between dreams and
>reality in real time;  Rich, I think, is talking about distinguishing memories
>of dreams from memories of reality.

Actually, I meant to point out that there is a difference between being
able to distinguish dreams from reality, and the ability to have lucid
dreams on demand. That you can do the first does not prove (or even imply)
that you can do the second. Neither does it imply that you cannot do the
second. 

>Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
>
Rich

payner@netcom.com


Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: howardc@victoria.utah.edu (Carl W Howard)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:12:22 GMT

In article <pyfm_jr@lynx.unm.edu> preiser@cancer.unm.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.202152.3480@leela.cs.orst.edu>, uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU
(Laura Utt) writes:
>>I am new to reading alt.dreams. I have had this dream where I am able to
>>breath underwater.
>>Also, if someone could tell me if it means anything specific.
>
>I have had many dreams where I can breathe underwater.  At first, I'm a bit
>apprehensive, like I can't get out of the water, and then I start breathing
>and think, gee, this is neat.  I don't know what it means, tho.

I have read and noticed that breathing in dreams is _directly_ related to actual
breathing.  For example, I recently had a dream where I was holding my breath
because of noxious fumes, and awoke to find that I had actually been holding my
breath.   If you dreamt that you were underwater, and could breathe, I think
that is simply caused by the fact that in reallity (in the physical world)
you can breathe freely while asleep, whether you were underwater in the
dreamscape or not.

Just my opinion.


Carl
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Being shot in dreams
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:37:11 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I have dreamt that i've been shot a few times.  afterwards, i wouldn't be dead,
but everything would be black, and i would imagine myself describing my death
to someone i knew and trusted, once my brother, the other time(s) i'm not
sure--i don't remember them as clearly.  i think dying dreams probably take
place during transitional periods.  they aren't morbid, they're symbolic.  and
rather fascinating, i think.  (the feeling of having "died" in a dream is worth
the fear felt before-hand).  my last such dream was years ago though; i imagine
the experience might be rather different for me now.
hope this is helpful/interesting,
Jude
From: c91imc@prg.ox.ac.uk (Ian Crawshaw)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: addictions...
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:10:57 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

In article <24939@dog.ee.lbl.gov> monnier@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>
>I smoke (but I'm quitting next week....)
>but I notice that I have NEVER had a dream (that I remember)
>where I smoke, or even want to smoke..
>
>?
>
>is this true with other addictions?

I used to play the fruit machines rather too much in my teenage years ...
naturally the occasional dream would occur in which I was playing them - in
most of these dreams I would be winning jackpot after jackpot! (Pity they're
only dreams ;-))

Ian.
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From: rishb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (H. Beiers)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: dreaming about certain rooms
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:03:24 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

cmocmp@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>I posted this about two weeks ago, and have so far received no replies. So once more, for the sake of doing so, can anyone answer:
>1) The significance of dreaming about certain rooms? I've often been having recurring dreams that involve me walking around a building filled with bedrooms and bathrooms. During the dream, I feel as if I'm supposed to select a certain bedroom for myself, although it seems as though I'm looking at bathrooms just for fun. This is not a habit of mine, so I immediately rule out that theory.
>1) The significance of being shot or attacked in a dream? I've been shot during dreams many times, and am sure I've died. It's pretty unnerving, and when I tell my friends about it, they think it's pretty morbid.
>Any thoughts or suggestions? Someone? Anyone?
>Char

I find that often when I am dreaming about a house or a building it can be
representing myself (my self (my consciousness)).  Sometimes I find rooms
that lead me to other rooms that I didnt know about that are deep down
under the house.  I once was in a building I worked in an found an elevator
that took people to floors that I hadnt even known were there.

As far as your bedrooms and bathrooms go, maybe the bedroom could be
a symbol for your search for a safe place to be you.  A persona that
doesnt have to present itself to the outside world?  I feel that my bedroom
(in waking life) is like a place I can go that is safe, and cosy, and all mine
 other have to knock before they come in.  How do you feel about your
 bedroom.  What does the idea of a bedroom mean to you?

 Bathrooms is a bit more of a problem.  We ion Australia tend to laugh
 a bit at you Americans when you call the toilet a bothroom.  Do you
 mean the room with the bath in it, or the room with the toilet bowl
 in it?  But the same way of thinking about it will still work.

 Hope this is of some use

 Henric Beiers
 henricb@rmit.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams