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From: Bathsheba.Grossman@launchpad.unc.edu (Bathsheba Grossman)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: girl/lady/female boy/guy/male
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:09:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Nov10.060932.28448
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <golovch.721359135@prim.rose.utoronto.ca> golovch@prim.rose.utoronto.ca (Gene Golovchinsky) writes:
>My opinion on the gender issue: There are many words in the English
>language that have multiple meanings, and this does not generally cause
>any problems because the meanings are disambiguated by context.
>When I see the word Mankind, I do not automatically envision continents
>full of males (a truly horrifying thought!). Instead, to me that word
>implies all people regardless of gender, age, sex, race, time or place
>of birth, etc.  (* Here comes the philosophical bit *) 
>
>To insist on making that distinction implies the necesity to make
>distinctions among other attributes that characterise individuals of
>the homo sapiens species. But that also implies loss of generality
>and an (in MY opinion) makes spoken and written English more cumbersome.

All right, I don't disagree with this; I'm not even sure I understand it.  
But if I am to consider myself included in "Mankind" (and I'd prefer to
belong to "people"), you will have to accept that I can be a chairman,
poet, author, sculptor, mailman, waiter, seaman, &ct &ct.  I hope you won't
find that disconcerting; some people may.

In this vein, let it be known that any person who refers to me as a
"sculptress" will receive a swift boot to the head.  This is a term whose
excess specifity is not valuable in any context.  IMO.

>Cannot resist one more thought: If people simply treated others in the
>way they would like to be treated themselves, we as a society would not
>need to spend so much time arguing about minority rights, offensive

Gee, let's all just be nice.  Why didn't I think of it?  
<Flame on>
Eat incandescent death, non-Aryan mongrel purveyor of idiocy.  How
does it happen that you sound like a philosophy grad student one
paragraph and a Compleat Kozmic Nitwit the next?  Could there be a
connection? 
<Flame off>

-Sheba
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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: girl/lady/female boy/guy/male
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:53:17 GMT

In article <JMD.92Nov11143912@lion.bear.com>, jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:
> Better than dating a sculpture...

Been there.  Done that.

> 			   ---
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> Spidey!!!
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Larry Billings
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From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Warm goodbye
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:06:09 GMT

>nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>
>>Take care and don't flame each other *too* much ...

   Ivy barb lee god worm yetti!

(She'll be back.  Take it from a net.addict gettin his fixins ready
 for the roast.  :)

   songbird - on ice
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From: Diane
Subject: Re: nkill
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:11:44 CST

In article <1992Nov11.070916.11329@netcom.com>
rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:
>
>     Affirmative Action is simply reverse discrimination.  Minorities
>here in California receive extra points on their exams for state jobs
>just because they are a minority.  Here is a hypothetical example:
>A person receives 5 extra points if that person is a minority.
>Person W, a non-minority, earns a 95 score on the exam.  Person M,
>a minority, earns a 91 score on the exam and gets 5 extra points which
>gives her a total of 96.  Person M will be hired, although she is less
>qualified than person W, because she is a minority.  That is clearly wrong.
 
 
And if the Person M is a member of a minority *and* a veteran, she will
get an extra 10 points for a grand total of 101% (does that make her
overqualified?). Veterans are usually given at least 5 points.
Considering that over 90% of all veterans are male, that would seem
to make it an exercise in affirmative action, wouldn't it? Do we 'owe'
veterans who volunteered for service any special consideration in
the job market? I want to stress *volunteered*.
 
D.
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Election Economics
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:06:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:

>Not to worry.  While dumb Veep jokes will soon be out, stiff Veep jokes will
>soon be in.  (I heard it on _The CBS Evening News_.)

Well, say what you want about Vice Presidents, but I think, on the whole, most
VPs' qualifications are commensurate with the demands of the job: state
dinners, state funerals, and baby-kissing.
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From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:22:05 GMT
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Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: huston@access.digex.com's message of 6 Nov 92 12:06:16 GMT

In article <BxAMyG.7DE@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
   In article <MARTINC.92Nov4210436@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
   >In article <Bx5uC3.4LG@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
   >
   >   By which time it might be too late depending on whose model is
   >   correct.  The point of the models is to use climate data from the
   >   past to attempt to predict future trends.
   >
   >But then there's this problem -- at least some models suggest that we're
   >merely retarding a general global cooldown with greenhouse gases.  What
   >happens if those models are correct, and we err by "letting" the climate
   >-cool- too much?
   >
   >It seems like -very- bad policy to figure we have to do -something-,
   >-anything-, when we don't know what the effects will be.

   I agree, and that was why I didn't recommend any drastic actions.  My
   sole point was that waiting for ten years might be waiting too long.
   My recommendation is to refine the models.  

I'm with you on that.  However, that doesn't seem to be the general
thrust; there's lots of talk about reducing greehouse gases and little
about putting more effort into the models.

   >I agree with you on population control, though.

   I'll assume you mean my identification of George Bush as being one of the
   chief obstacles.

Nope.  (You know better than that, Herb.  You said population control is
the main issue, and I agreed.  What is it about campaign season that
makes people prefer to try to score points over find answers?)  Anyway,
to paraphrase Stalin, how many priests can George provide?  Last I saw,
China, India, u.s.w. were being reasonably effective at population
control, although they could use more help.  But the last I saw, the
countries with by far the greatest population problem are the ones in
which their dominant religious group forbids effective birth control or
abortion. 

   You might not like my specific recommendations, though.

Depends on if you can separate your science from your politics.
--
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     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Blood types
Date: 14 Nov 1992 02:40:29 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

So, is there any truth to the blood type and personality relationship?
I had lunch with a friend today who claims that this is true, and so
does my mother.  Incidentally, so do most Chinese people.  This is the
approximate breakdown:

	Type	Personality

	 A	Love a person forever, wait for someone forever
	 B	(Sorry, forgot)
	 AB	Fluctuates, quickly gets in and out of infatuations
	 O	Warm, logical

Of course, I found this rather difficult to believe.  There must be
more than four types of people in this world!  But, I'm an AB and I do
fall in and out of infatuation rather easily.  My friend's an A and
she will wait hopelessly for this dumb, rude AB guy.

Any takes?

	-- Anita --

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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:26:59 GMT

In article <8525.4930@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, spetter@photon.swdc.stratus.com (Scott Spetter) writes:
> 
> Try small/cute ADULT dogs that are not too hyper.  I have a well-trained
> 5 lb Pomeranian, and whenever Louisa and I hit the park, we ALWAYS have
> no problem meetings lots of nice women.  No mess, no smell, no problem.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Scott

Any dog that isn't too hyper or threatening is good.  I've got three now, and
taking them all out at the same time gets attention, but it's too distracting
tring to talk while three dogs try to go do their own thing.  But when I
just had my female half rocwiler(sp?) half black lab (35 lbs) I talked to
several women.  Not having a really good park to go to here I had to pick the
right places to walk, Women's softball games, and such, but Sheba got lots
of attention being undoubtly the mildest mannered dog in existance.

Larry Billings
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From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Argh! Total, Complete misery.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:46:49 GMT

jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:

>oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>>There's something that is very attractive about self-confident people.
>>If you keep yourself in misery, you'll never meet anyone else. ... 

>Actually, this isn't true.  If you are totally miserable all the time
>and have fatally low self-esteem, 

These two things do not go hand-in-hand.  It's perfectly possible to
be miserable and still have high self-esteem.  (Self-esteem is both
self-confidence--a sense of efficacy--and self-worth--a sense of
feeling -worthy- of whatever it is you're able to achieve.)  If you're
miserable because some goal of yours is eluding you, you can still
feel confident about other things, and, more importantly, -worthy- of
happiness, even of the goal that's eluding you.

And even if you're miserable, you can still meet someone, and it can
still work out--if the miserableness is caused by the "right" reasons.
After all, if you're miserable because you don't have any prospects
for a happy relationship, finding a prospect can cheer you up.  Being
miserable does not lead to low self-esteem, not does low self-esteem
lead to being miserable.

-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
From: skc@Turing.ORG (Shriram K. Chaubal)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Late at night
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:45:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <lfmp4bINNb6s@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>
>	It's getting late and while I wait,
>	My poor heart aches on,
>	Why keep the brakes on?
>	Let's misbehave!
>
>Gosh, it's almost 11pm, I'm still in the office.  Why am I always the
>one to turn on the burglar alarm?
>
>	-- Anita --

From the header in the message it looks like 1:00am on Saturday Morning :-)...

*Back to lurking around*

Shri
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From: mysti@sybase.com (Mysti)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: What do you Am men think about Am women?
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:06:55 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Nov1.040135.15689@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:

>If you look at the very large body of literature, magazines, etc. that
>represent American feminism, concentrating on those that have the
>largest circulation, that have most frequently been cited afterward,
>etc., you will find that "male bashing" is indeed extremely common.

I don't find it extremely common.  Perhaps you have done an actual
study of the literature?  Something to compare with Susan Faludi's
"Backlash" research (remember, she *is* a Pulitzer prize winner),
which very ably argues for the position that your "large circulation"
magazines and newspapers are doing quite the opposite.

>Many examples of this have been discussed in these newsgroups.

I have as yet to see a single example of a thorough-going analysis
of a week's, month's or year's worth of popular media that indicates
"male-bashing" exists at large.  

>Of course, not every self-described "feminist" will share this trait.
>But clearly, organized feminism tends to promote this.

Which organized feminism is that?  

>Actually, Nietzsche noticed this too, and wrote about it. Obviously, not
>every elderly person is like this. Question: are there "elder lib" 
>publications that are filled with "younger-bashing"?

There aren't even "women's lib" publications filled with "male bashing".
Unless you define all criticism as "bashing" of course!

To say "there are men who beat women" is not to say that "all men
like beating women".  I am my fellow feminists are clear on the distinction,
are you?
	
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Mysti Rubert, Oaktown, California

"It't not the men in my life, but the life in my men."  Mae West
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From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Money and the Single World (was: Education and the Single World
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:46:40 GMT

In article <74247@apple.apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>
>Over the course of the relationship it also became clear to me that we had
>big differences in how we liked to spend our money. He wanted to furnish
>the apartment with stuff out of garage sales. I was making a lot of money
>for the first time in my life, and I wanted more expensive things. His
>garage sale furniture offended me, and he thought my storebought furniture
>was a waste of money.

I dunno, Stef, this time I have to side with your ex-SO; offhand, I can't
think of a single piece of furniture I own that wasn't bought used--and
I'd hate to give up my old multi-hundred-pound solid walnut desk with the
three-feet long drawers, the walnut burl cabinet, the victrola cabinets
(to say nothing of the original Edison cylinder player), or any of the
various pieces of real wood furniture with inlay and carving whose equal
would be nigh impossible to find new anymore.

Trygve   (Of course if I find a store where I can buy a new solid
          mahogany file cabinet for under $10, I might reconsider.) 
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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Education and the Single World
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:13:52 GMT

In article <lg5a8bINNb46@news.bbn.com>, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
> 
> Dawn
> 
> (PS My mutant sweetie is getting his masters, which avoids the whole sticky
> issue of where I'd put him.)
> 

Well, this statement should raise a few eyebrows!



Larry Billings
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From: daniel@clsi.COM (Daniel Barclay)
Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
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Date: 9 Nov 92 17:09:50

> >And in the process produce a disproportionate share of the world's pollution.

> I don't know about that, I'd like to see some numbers.  Eastern Europe
> is horribly polluted, and there are vast regions of the world where
> wood is burned for cooking and heat.  Is wood smoke less polluting
> than gas and oil smoke?
A partial, amateur answer:  I would think that burning wood would not increase
greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide) because trees absorb carbon dioxide from
the atmosphere, AS LONG AS trees are regrown as fast as they are burned.
(Which they definitely are not, of course, when areas are deforested by 
burning.)
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From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:17:40 GMT
	<1992Nov9.010922.11400@netcom.com> <1992Nov9.030344.18754@netcom.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: rohwerwd@netcom.com's message of 9 Nov 92 03:03:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.030344.18754@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:

	As I recall, the far right wing of the party muzzled any attempt
   of pro-choicers to bring the the abortion issue to the floor.  

You're mistaken.  The Republicans For Choice this year debated a
platform change in the platform committee and it was voted down.  The
Democrats used parlimentary manuvers to prevent an anti-abortion one
being presented to their platform committee.  That's why the Democratic
Governor of Pennsylvania was on the TV outside the Democratic Convention
complaining of the muzzling of "pro-life" voices.
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     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: nkill
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:24:22 GMT

In article <1689CB999.SURGDM@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Diane writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.070916.11329@netcom.com>
>rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:
>>
>>     Affirmative Action is simply reverse discrimination.  Minorities
>>here in California receive extra points on their exams for state jobs
>>just because they are a minority.  Here is a hypothetical example:
>>A person receives 5 extra points if that person is a minority.
>>Person W, a non-minority, earns a 95 score on the exam.  Person M,
>>a minority, earns a 91 score on the exam and gets 5 extra points which
>>gives her a total of 96.  Person M will be hired, although she is less
>>qualified than person W, because she is a minority.  That is clearly wrong.
> 
> 
>And if the Person M is a member of a minority *and* a veteran, she will
>get an extra 10 points for a grand total of 101% (does that make her
>overqualified?). Veterans are usually given at least 5 points.
>Considering that over 90% of all veterans are male, that would seem
>to make it an exercise in affirmative action, wouldn't it? Do we 'owe'
>veterans who volunteered for service any special consideration in
>the job market? I want to stress *volunteered*.
> 
>D.
 
Make that Vietnam era veterans ending in the fall of 78. The other
veterans get to suck eggs and can't get a check cashed on
Veterans day much less get a day off work.

 
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From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Re: Last Dance for Now
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:40:17 CST

nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:

>Greetings fellow soc.singelites ...


>I just wanted to let you all know that while I've enjoyed the
>discussions of the past few weeks, I'm changing to an assignment
>for about a year that will take me away from regular net access.

>I'm not gone - just on leave.  Hope you all have a great winter and
>spring and summer.  And thanks to those of you who sent me the nice
>Thanksgiving pictures!  :-)

>Take care and don't flame each other *too* much ...
>--
>-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+
>Nance Colucci                                      att!ihlpl!colucci
>"It'll be better than before.  Yesterday's gone.  Yesterday's gone!"
>-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+


Good luck Nance!  We'll be missing you! 8^<


Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc.
Glen Rock,  NJ

Let's Go Racin'!
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