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From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: RFD: talk.politics.medicine
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:08:41 GMT

This is a request for discussion for the creation of one new 
news group:
 
     Proposed Title:  talk.politics.medicine  

Charter:
       talk.politics.medicine, unmoderated.
A newsgroup to discuss politics and ethics in medicine and related
sciences and fields. Topics may include discussions on whether:
medical care should be socialized; insurance be paid for by the
individual, the company, or the state; or if it is even mandatory.
They may also include discussions on ethics of cross-species transplants;
if fetal material should be used or not; government intervention  
into the health care choices of people (such as permitting (or not)
alternative medicine to coexist with mainstream medicine, nutritional
medicine, or preventive medicine); parental or individual (non)consent to
mandatory immunization or treatment that may violate ethical or religious
beliefs; euthanasia for terminal, vegetative, or severely crippled people,
be it voluntary or non voluntary; and the right to help or refuse care to
patients based on ability to pay, ability to help or care for them, or
based on any disease they may be carrying; or any other related topics.   

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: king@meaddata.com (Mike King)
Subject: Re: Medline..How to?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:13:29 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1832@hsdndev.UUCP>, rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:
|> In article <BuCJ9I.n1C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
|>  dolmen!jgraham@moose.cs.indiana.edu writes:
|> >I would like to know how to access Medline. 

I work for the company that puts out the Medline service.  I do not
work in the MEDLINE division, but I'm sure I could find out the
various ways of obtaining access.  I'll post my findings.  Later

-- 
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Mead Data Central   |  time, no matter how long   |     CAPRR Conversion
P.O. Box 933        |  it takes"                  | mead!mwk@uccba.uc.edu
Dayton, Ohio  45401 |      -- Rod Brookin         |    ...!uccba!mead!mwk
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: HELP: best way to remove a wart ?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:57:02 GMT


My husband has a HUGE wart in the middle of his back that appears to
be attached by a small thread.  He has tried Compound W without any
luck.  Now he wants me to cut it off with a razor blade !!!  I refuse
to do it.  He said he would do it himself if he could reach it.  He
does not like going to doctors & refuses to get an appointment to get
it frozen off.  Is there a good product on the market to get rid of
them ?  What kind of damage would he do if he just 'snipped' it off ?
(besides infection ?)  Could this cause it to spread ?

Thanks,
Deb
From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Rising health care costs. Was: Mercury in fillings
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:17:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <16363@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
> But it was the Corvair that made Nader
>famous, not the Pinto.  I believe that stuff was bogus also.

I owned a '63 Corvair in high school; I kept it running myself.
Ralph Nader was correct about this car; I observed all of the
problems he cited myself.  If anything, he missed some problems;
the ridiculous throttle linkage, for example.  I nearly killed
myself several times in this car: teenager heaven, parent hell.

-- 
Mark A. Fulk			University of Rochester
Computer Science Department	fulk@cs.rochester.edu
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Yet another Lyme nightmare...
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:31:12 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep6.003408.224812@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes:

>  If I was given the doxy early on (cost ~$30), this entire nightmare could
>  have been prevented.
>
>  But if my doctor would have done so, he would have been labeled a "quack" by
>  Gordon and those who subscribe to his narrow minded philosophy.  They would

Wrong.  I probably would have treated you for Lyme myself.  The quacks
I am talking about never see lyme patients who wander in off the street.
They specialize in seeing people who have decided on their own that
they might have lyme.  And guess what, they always (always) agree with
them and give IV Cephtriaxone.  Doesn't matter that they've had MS
for years and have all of the clinical signs of it and all the lab
tests are positive for it.  To them, it's just another case of
misdiagnosed lyme, and needs IV Cephtriaxone, over and over again,
until the patient finally realizes they aren't going to get better
from these treatments.  You wouldn't have gotten any Doxy from
one of those guys.  Not enough profit in that.  I've never seen these
guys give an oral antibiotic alone.


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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Depression: Nutritional treatments
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:09:05 GMT

In article <DLB.92Sep11131445@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
>   >What's making you so net.crabby of late?  First the guy whose
>   >hypnotherapist, working adjunctively with his neurologist, obtained
>   >substantial migraine relief gets raked over the coals as tho he were
>   >selling NLP like an Amway product, and now this.

I don't recall this David (see above) being flamed.

>   First, shirley you're not talking about David whats-his-name.
>   Tell me he's not a bozo, Bob.
>I think that Bob is referring to me; at least, I am the "bozo" who
>posted concerning my cluster headache relief from hypnotherapy.

We're talking about the wrong bozo.  If you tell me that you got
relief from hypnotherapy, would I say "no you didn't?"  No.

>When I read Bob's original reply, I thought Dr. Dyer might have posted
>something that had not yet reached me.  Since I must have missed the
>referred to flame, may I know what I have been accused of?  Not
>getting my headaches cured, perhaps?  Being interested in something
>without scientific evidence of efficacy?  Some other heinous crime?

I don't think you were being flamed at all.  I was referring to
St*rnl*ght from netcom.com.

>"Selling NLP like an Amway product"?  I do not advocate anyone taking
>NLP training who is not interested, and have only my own experience to
>share (which is almost wholly subjective).  Likewise, I do not
>recommend anyone consult an NLP practitioner who has not already
>consulted a doctor (for a medical condition) or a therapist (for a
>mental one).  Could someone enlighten me concerning my crime?

Yeah, having the same first name as a bonafide bozo.  Can you do something
about this?  :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Acne.  What can be done?
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:14:41 GMT

I have had a acne problem for 8 years, I'm 23 now, and think that nearly
a decade would be enough to satisfy whoever put this curse on me.  The acnes
have never been a major problem, but they have always been there and enough is
enough.  So my question is this:  What can be done?

Should I stay of sweets?  Eat fruits?  Reduce my in-front-of-monitor worktime?
Try Sodium-X2341FG?  Wash my face with soap?  Dance naked ontop of Cray
computer singing 'Off, Off, Off, you vermins'?

Thanks in advance.

--

\ Internet: karlth@rhi.hi.is             \ Karl Thoroddsen University Of Iceland
 \ And in the end ...          The Beatles\ Department Of Computer Science
From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Incompetent doctors"
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:07:57 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Sep9.150238.20902@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>
>Evidently (please correct me if I've got this wrong, Ken) the usual
>organism transmitted in domestic cat bites is Pasteurella.  The usual
>antibiotics don't work with this organism; perhaps (I don't know)
>it is gram-positive and the resident gave his wife penicillin.
>
>(Actually, km, please do fill in the likely details.  I only got a sketchy
>story at the time, and would love to know more.  I am pretty sure about
>the Pasteurella, though.)

Well, this is interesting. You are correct that Pasteurella multicoeda
(I may have the spelling wrong) is the most common organism in infected
bites from animals. However, as far as I know, it is always sensitive
to penicillin. I have some firsthand experience with this: "Pisote",
my pet coatimundi, bit me on the hand several years ago and I developed
a severe, purulent infection from this organism. I was on IV Penicillin-G
for two weeks, which cured the infection.

 -km
From: bforob@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (WBFO 88.7 FM -- Rob Rothkopf)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Any new treatment for Endomitriosis?
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A friend of mine who has Endomitriosis has been told by doctors that
there is no treatment.. and is only given prescriptions for pain
relievers when going to the hospitals.

She's 23 and I can't believe anyone in the world would bare the kinds
of pain she's experiencing every month for so long.

Does anyone know of effective treatment methods for this disease?
Please either e-mail me responses are post to the net if you think there's
interest.

Thank you so much..
--Rob
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:45:38 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <clvnh0#.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Mark Kline is once more guilty of muddy thinking and careless reading
>by posting a message which suggests that I offered the "headache cure"
>as a reason to believe what he calls "the NLP hocus pocus."

>Kline would probably have been in the vanguard of those attacking any
>new therapy he wasn't comfortable with.who have been helped (and quickly and inexpensively) by NLP, as there

Well, since I'm being personally attacked, let me just say that I have
probably known about NLP longer than Mr. Sternlight.  I was studying
psychiatry in california the 1970s when NLP was invented out of whole
cloth; a buddy of mine went to high school with one of the founders and
reconnected with him at the founders' criminal trial.  I have been
aware of the thinking & methods of Erickson, Satir, Jackson, Bateson,
Haley, Watzlawick and others in the Bay Area, and I even had the
pleasure of knowing many of those folks when I was a teenager (because
of a family connection to the Mental Research Institute in Palo Alto).
I've watched NLP grow, split into factions, and get marketed.  
I was actually very excited about NLP back in 1978.  I've even
done some hypnosis research.  I'm not a newcomer to the mental health
business and I'm not a reactionary.  Its just that much of NLP is
just complete horseshit.  Please note that I am not calling Mr.
Sternlight horseshit.   I read the NLP bibles back in the late
70s - even back then I was struck by how poorly edited they are.

An NLP believer sent me a 100K bibliography on NLP by email last
week, and a review of the abstracts suggested that I am not the
only person to be skeptical of NLP.  The famous headache cure of
recent netfame, for example, IS NOT supported by two articles
in the bibliography (the only articles on the "anchoring"
treatment of headaches included).  Most of the articles in
reputable journals were very mixed in their reviews of NLP
concepts & treatments.  Many of the articles directly described NLP as
persuasion and manipulation (e.g., likening the probation officer or
social worker to effective salesperson through the use of NLP
technigues).  

So far, I'm just not impressed.  Go ahead Mr. Sternlight,
call me names!

--
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mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
================ courtesy of syracuse university ================
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:47:44 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Rising Medical Costs.

In article <wefV6ou00Uzx02I0YJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean
McLinden) says:
>
>One point worthy of mention is the fact that all of the focus on hospital
>costs vis a vis physician reimbursement and decision-making fails to consider
>the fact operating margins for hospitals are quite small. Competition and
>the need to demonstrate quality has resulted in declining average lengths of
>stay for many hospitals as well as adjusted costs per bed. But at some point,
>the hospital can do little to decrease their operating expenses.
>
>The costs of medical supplies, right now, is exhorbitant and, in many cases,
>unreasonable. Everyone, not just the doctors, not just the hospitals, has
>profited from the old economies of health care. Until and unless the cost
>of supplies, medications, etc., is reduced, there is not a whole lot more
>to be squeezed out of the system.

How about the extra 100 to 200 billion in administrative costs that result
from our use of a multiple payer, multiple form, reimbursement system?

How about the higher costs associated with the use of technology at less
than capacity? (costs per MRI, for instance that are an order of magnitude
higher that in other countries?)

There's a lot to be squeezed, though it cannot be done by individual hospitals.



Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.research,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.jewish,misc.legal
From: gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle)
Subject: Re: SIDS death at daycare
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1992 02:28:26 GMT

smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen) writes:


>Yesterday, a 4 month old baby boy died while at an in-home
>day care, here in El Segundo.  He was placed in a crib for
>a nap at 1:00 PM and was found at 2:00 PM.
 [stuff deleted]

>The day care provider looked at him and saw blood and mucus
>on the sheets.  She turned him over and he was still warm.
>What puzzles me is the blood!  Why would there be blood
>coming out of the baby's nose and mouth?
>Sandy


The blood can result from the intense pulmonary capillary congestion
that may be secondary to the bradycardia experienced by some of these 
infants prior to death. 
pulmonary - Concerning or involving the lungs.
bradycardia - low heart rate
capillary - minute blood vessel
congestion(pulmonary) - accumulation of an abnormal amount of blood in the
pulmonary vascular bed. Usually associated with heart failure.

(definitions from Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary)
Above info from "Investigations of Sudden Infant Deaths," by J.E. Smialek,
Z. Lambros

From all the information I have read and other SIDS parents I have spoken 
with, the blood tinged froth is normal. From other articles I understand
that it is believed there is a last convulsion or seizure of some sort that
can cause this and odd positioning of the baby.
 My condolences to the family AND the day care provider. I DO hope they
can find something as to the cure or prevention of SIDS.

Gayle Vincent

 
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From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: NLP, etc
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:43:26 GMT
Reply-To: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep9.213641.12891@decuac.dec.com> jcp@islay.dco.dec.com (Jolly C. Pancakes) writes:
>
>.... much deleted for brevity and to please my silly news software ....
>
>	Myself, I think that NLP is somewhat interesting, or at least...
>NLP defenders on the net, Lee Lady foremost among them, have....

In which newsgroup would one usually find the "defenders of NLP"?
Flamers are ok, as well.  ;-)
I am curious about NLP and am only just now starting to _think_ about 
looking into it.  If there is a newsgroup out there which contains
ongoing NLP discussions, I would really like to find it (somehow, I
don't believe NLP quite fits in this one).




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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: cfar@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Carol Farquhar)
Subject: Severe Allergies
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:26:06 GMT

This is being posted for a co-worker who suffers from asthma and 
severe allergies.  

Her first asthma attack was at 3 weeks of age and re-occured 2 to
3 times a month until age 19.  Since then the frequency has decreased
to 2 or 3 severe attacks a year.

She is allergic to:

  	cats
	dogs
	horses
	anything with hair
	strawberries
	milk	
	bacon
	eggs
	bee stings
	tomato sauce
	dilaudid
	penicillin (sp?)
	compazine
	codiene

and seems to acquire more allergies over the years.  She has been
to countless specialists in Birmingham and Atlanta to no avail.
Please post or e-mail any information that might help.  

Thanks,

Carol

-- 
Carol Farquhar-New Technolgy,Inc    = "The degree of a peoples civilization is
Huntsville, AL                      =  reflected in its attitude towards 
cfar@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov           =  animals."
Opinionated ravings are all mine!
From: wnoe@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Bill Noe)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Sacral agenesis (Caudal dysplasia)
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:53:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


I have been looking for information on a birth defect called sacral agenesis,
or caudal dysplasia.  Unfortunately, since there is no medical school here at
Purdue, I had to rely on the Pharmacy and Nursing library, where I could only
find two paragraphs on the topic.

I am particularly interested in any study of the causes, detection and
treatment, whether prenatal or postnatal, of sacral agenesis.  Any
information would be greatly appreciated.  Please reply through e-mail if
possible, since I don't generally have much time to read this group.


Thanks in advance for your assistance.

...B
wnoe@ecn.purdue.edu


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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Phobias, NLP, etc (was Re: Xanax)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:22:57 GMT

In article <p8yn_z_.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>Steve Dyer posts an obscene message. I see that everything I've been
>told about him via e-mail is true.

Snort.  Who wrote that, Kingsley Morse (your evil twin)?
Two peas in a pod.

>Steve, many know that you have a vile mind and a viler mouth. The
>only reason you're tolerated around here is because you sometimes
>have useful information.

David, I'm simply lowering myself to your level.  You're not tolerated here
because _nothing_ you write is useful.  You're a distraction and a waste
of time.  Now scram.

>Your current message is apparently not an example.

The sooner you disappear the sooner we'll be finished with this.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: FDA/ Amino Acids/ Smart Drugs
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:28:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.172148.24778@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes:
>Just out of curiosity, do amino acids contribute calories to the
>diet the way protein does?

Have I missed something?  I thought that proteins were MADE of amino acids,
and that the "other stuff" with fancy names (like "enzymes") made of amino
acids were just fancy proteins.  (well, with some hydrogen removed for the
polimerization...)


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: NLP a psychoactive drug here?
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:48:47 GMT

In article <_1vnlya.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
}
}I've just returned from reading Sci.psychology, as a result of
}a pointer posted here. I note that there is an extended discussion
}of aspects of NLP there, and I've seen no name-calling, ad hominem
}attacks, or any of the nastiness that's present here. ...

[...]

}I'd be interested in notions about why this is. ...

It's because most of the people trained and qualified in the science of
psychology abandoned sci.psychology to the lunatic fringe years ago.
There's no end of idiots and we have better things to do than attempt to
teach an endless line of pigs to sing.

(If you think Steve Dyer's a grouch, don't get me started on the evils of
amateur psychotherapy ...)

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Baclofen
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:01:54 GMT

In article <q8snmkm.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:
>>>Is anyone familiar with the drug called Baclofen?  If so, I'd like to
>>>know what it is, what it's used to treat, and any possible side effects.
>>It has an effect on GABA, but Steve can tell you all about that
>>better than I.
>Thank you for the information, but now you've created another question
>for me.  What is GABA?

GABA is Gamma-Amino-Butyric-Acid, an inhibitory neurotransmitter in the
brain and spinal cord.  Baclofen is a GABA-b receptor agonist, meaning
that it acts like GABA at certain synapses, namely those which have
the GABA-b receptor.  (This sounds a bit tautological, I know.)  Drugs
which work directly or indirectly at GABA-a receptors seem to have anti-
convulsant activity.  Drugs which work at GABA-b receptors (like baclofen)
seem to reduce spasticity due to overactive spinal reflexes.

Does this help?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med