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From: dmf@buengf.bu.edu (David Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Left Knee Pain: Rest or Strengthen?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:03:04 GMT
Reply-To: dmf@buengf.bu.edu (David Franklin)
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <Bs0IqD.Hxs@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu
    (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:

>I began running about a month ago and had worked up to 4 miles at a
>fairly leisurely pace.  My left knee (actually, to the left of my
>kneecap and down a little) develops a pain much like a headache
>after about a mile and worsens if I keep running.  This is on an
>outdoor running track.  I theorized that maybe it's because the
>track requires that you run counter-clockwise and the left turns
>were putting additional stress on the left knee area.  I also was
>carrying a cassette player in my left hand as I ran and thought
>that, too, might be causing problems.  The right knee is fine and
>I have no history of injuries.

   If you start to feel pain during a run, STOP!  You won't gain anything
by continuing to run on it.  Also, it's a bad idea to run until the point of
pain each time you run, in the hopes to "strengthen" yourself.  The pain
is there to tell you that something is wrong!
  
   The pain in one knee may result from several things.  It could be the
track, especially if it is banked.  It could be the walkman.  It could be your
running shoes -- what kind of shape are they in?  How many miles have you put
on them?  Finally, it could bethat you have a foot or a leg imbalance.  Here is
an easy way to tell if one of your legs is shorter than the other.  You need a
chair and a carpenter's level.  Place the chair on the floor, making sure that
the chair and floor are level.  Sit on the chair, feet flat on the floor, knees
together and place the level across your knees.  If your knees are level, then
your lower legs are the same length.  Stand up and align the level with your
hips.  This will tell you if you have a pelvic or upper leg imbalance.  If you
think one of your legs is longer than the other, you may need to see a
sports-oriented podiatrist.  If the difference is a quarter inch, you can put
a heel pad in your shoe.  Anything longer, though, and you probably should see
a doctor.  Even a small difference in leg length that is not
noticeable in other sports is noticeable in running, since you put 3-4 times
your body weight on your leg each time you take a stride.

   Otherwise, if your legs seem to be balanced, take a few days off, maybe
5-7 days.  Take a good look at your running shoes; make sure your SHOES are 
balanced.  Then try running without a walkman, and not on a track.  If you can
run consistently like that without pain, then either the track, the walkman, or
the shoes was (were) the culprit.  If you still get pain, you may have a foot
imbalance.

Happy trails,
Dave


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From: hawkes@hillrun.corp.sgi.com (John Hawkes)
Subject: Re: TV sched for women's Oly marathon?
Organization: Silicon Graphics
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:22:03 GMT

I read in the S.F. Chronicle that NBC will allocate 70 minutes to the Women's
Marathon and 2:30 to the Men's.  That fact, combined with the network tradition
of interrupting a race at a critical moment, reinforces my decision to pay for
the uninterrupted coverage.
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From: ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Olympics
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:44:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Swarthmore College

Does anyone know what the US record is for most top 3 finishers at the
Track & Field Trials who have not competed at the Olympics?  

Most people know by now that Kami Keshmiri had more than back problems
after the Trials.  My understanding is that his positive test was from
April.  Why didn't it surface until after the Trials?

The heartbreak kid, Steve Placencia, who finished 4th in both the 10,000
and 5,000 now has both events to choose from.  Neither Ken Martin (10K) or
John Gregorek (5K) made the Olympic standards.  I've heard Steve will run
the 10K only.  This would provide the 5K spot to Rueben Reina, who was a
bit under the weather at the trials and was the next best finisher to hit
the Olympic Standard.

Anyone know more about the women's javelin and other events where being in
the Top 3 at the Trials hasn't meant a trip to Spain?

Who is the lowest finisher at a Trials to actually make a US Olympic team?

Any more news on whether or not Patti Sue Plumer will run the 1500m at
Barcelona.  Immediately after the Trials she was considering/fairly certain
to step aside and let the fourth place finisher, Mary Slaney, get another
shot at the Olympics.  I haven't heard anything since then, but I believe
Slaney has either been sick or a bit injured and might not be able to race
anyway.


Larry Ehmer
ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: exumart@exu.ericsson.se (Martina Hughes,xt-df,0634)
Subject: Threadmill v`s Running	
Reply-To: exumart@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:01:08 GMT

I was wondering what you runners feel about using a threadmill as oppose to running outdoors. I have been running out doors in the past but recently have access to a threadmill and am wondering if one gets the same workout when using a threadmill. Does anyone have some good work out routines for the threadmill which would improve one's
running outdoors. I would like to know what your thoughts are on using threadmills as oppose to running outside. 

Thanks in advance /

Martina Hughes.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: 10k first mile: how fast?
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:49:33 GMT

In article <5700027@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott
Smay) writes:
|>Relative to the average pace over the 10k course, how fast should the first 
|>mile be run? I'd be interested in hearing opinions/reasons in other distances
|>as well.
|>
|>As an example of my personal experience, in my last 10k I ran the first mile
|>in 5:41, goal pace was 6:00, actual pace averaged 6:04. I suspect this is
|>going out too fast, though I was consciously holding back and wasn't pushing
|>it or suffering until the sprint for the finish. I wonder if it makes sense
|>to use the adrenaline and tension for that first mile, or if by not using it
|>you can hold an overall faster pace.
|>
|>cheers,
|>scott smay
|>

Scott,

I've run many 10K races with no plan whatsoever, just lace'em
up and run hard.  Some times I've been pleased with my results, some-
times not, but it always hurt!  By noting my splits, I realized that my
fastest 1Ks were typically in the first half of the race.  Then I would
slowly die from 5K to 9K, with a final "death shrug" in the last few
hundred meters.   Ughhh!
My last 10K, I simply divided my desired finishing time by ten and
promised to keep at that pace for the entire race.  I knew that, at first,
the pace would seem too easy, and it did.  However, I just kept reminding
myself that I was running at a pace that would give me a good time.  By
the 7 or 8K mark it was starting to hurt, but not nearly as bad as in
past races.  And I ended up with a good time (for me).

One additonal note: elite runners will sprint the first 400 or so meters
just to get away from the crowd, but then will quickly lock in to their
ideal pace.  If you've placed yourself properly in the pack at the start,
this shouldn't be necessary.

Chris.
              
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:53:40 EDT
From: <NXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: How fast is fast?
Distribution: usa

In regards to time for half the runners to finish, I would predict that half of
the crowd will cross the line at 35 minutes.  What race are you considering do-
ing?  Obviously, the more promoted a race is the faster it will be, so I can't
estimate times for 10% or 90%.  From the 5 milers and 8k's I've done, 35
minutes flat is usually about the average time ( + / -  30 seconds).  If the
crowd is less than 500, the winner might crack 25 minutes.

My sent, sent worth
Dan
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: MrEd@GreenAcres
Subject: Re: Running Down Hills
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:03:31 GMT

In article <711952153.13160.0@glycol.ucc.andrew.cmu.edu> pv0b+@andrew.cmu.edu  
(Pomona Anupol Valero) writes:
> >Hi there,
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone would be so kind to give me some tips on running
> >down very steep hills.  I don't intentionally run _down_ hills, my initial
> >goal was to run UP them.  Then I realized that I have to go back down them
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Pomona Valero
> 
Be careful ! 
If I were you I'd "zig-zag" if you can to reduce the steepness of the descent.
I've had hamstring problems from running downhill in the past


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From: lell@dec2.wu-wien.ac.at (Christoph Lell )
Subject: Re: Sestiere (Italy) Meet
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:09:14 GMT

In article <ehmer-230792091423@mac14.beards-art-cc.swarthmore.edu>, ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer) writes:
|> > 
|> If I read the graphics on my TV screen correctly during the news, the wind
|> for Drechler was only 2.10 m/s very close to the allowable 2.0.
                        ^^^^^^^^
 Actually it was MUCH closer:  2.01 m/s

Drechsler was pissed, because she wasn't awarded the Ferrari Testaroste.


|> 
|> Larry

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Xref: sparky rec.running:2021 rec.sport.olympics:1737
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympic Track and Field Predictions
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:56:41 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


My prediction for the womans sprints:

Ottey will NOT win gold in either 100m. or 200m. She usually ends up 
with the bronze medal, how many has she won??? One exception I can
think of is the 1991 world championships 4X100m. At the world
championships she is all they talked about and guess what, 2 bronze.

I pick Torrence for both 100m. and 200m. golds and maybe a third gold
in the relay. As for Ottey I predict 1 silver and one bronze. Also a 
third medal in the relay.

Ken
From: puc@aber.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Speedwing
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:26:24 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


Hi,

Can anyone help me with dimensions and settings for a small (1.2m)
variant of the Speedwing. The pattern appeared in the July issue
of "The Kiteflier" but I can't get mine to fly using the bridle
sizes quoted. Also, is the sail supposed to be very loose, the pattern
suggests 82cm. for the spreader but I've got mine at 85cm. and the
sail is still loose.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Paul.
(puc@aber.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard Nixon)
Subject: Peter Powel Delta?
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:47:24 GMT

Hi ho,
A friend of mine just put a down payment on a Peter Powell Delta stunt kite
and I'm wondering how good an idea this was- although I haven't seen any
delta stunters by Peter Powell, I have seen the diamond kites and wasn't
particularily thrilled. Also, none of my cataloges carry Peter Powell nor
do I ever see any at the beach I normally fly at. My friend says the frame
is Beman graphite (same as my Chicago Bee and the Phantom) and Carrington
sailcloth. The 8'5" ultralite runs $129- does anyone out there have any
experience with this kite or have an opinion regarding Peter Powell kites?
Thanks
Andre
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard Nixon)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Peels (was Re: Ultralight, slow, precise...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Ok, so, like, what's a peel? After following this thread I've got to have one!
How much do they cost and where can one be purchased? Oh, and who makes them?
 
Andre
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
Subject: Re: Peels (was Re: Ultralight, slow, precise...)
Reply-To: ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:12:47 GMT


In a previous article, gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) says:

>In article <1992Jul15.034440.352@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek) writes:
>In article <1992Jul15.034440.352@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> you write:
>>I used the $450 on a peel which is comming in tomorrow but I have no idea
>>what color it is.  I cursed my friend when he let me fly his because it was
>>such a great experience that I just had to order one.  No light puller,
>>this.
>
>Watch it!
>
>I borrowed a 5m peel in a force 5 wind (!) a couple of weeks ago from the UK
>importer.  (He had seen me flying my stack of flexies)  These things pull
>like stink, but in addition, they are slower than stacked flexies, so they
>spend much more time in the power zone during launch.  Also, if the thing
>collapses at the edge, it falls back down into the power and re-inflates -
>so you are back to being dragged across the field again.  On top of this,
>I understand that because of the way that the bridle is wired, if you have had
>enough and drop one handle, it will stay inflated and fly circles in the power
>zone.
>
>So... It's loads of fun, but find a *big* field if you fly it in a serious wind.
>
>(All I did was launch it and do one spin and I travelled over 500' of field)
>
>Andrew
>
I don't know what a force 5 wind is but in about 10mph the peel is a beast!
Yes, I got the thing this past friday and took it out on saturday.  It's
black and red, exactly what I would have ordered if the color choice was
mine.  And I got it for $401 out the door.  Not bad.  But yes, this thing
pulls like nothing I have ever experienced before and you are right about
it being slow and spending lots and lots of time in the power zone.

A friend with a peel is thinking of trying to rig up a safety of sorts. 
The idea he told me about is to tie a line to the center bridle point and
run the line back to a belt that would be around your waist.  If you get
into trouble you drop both handles which would fold the kite in two because
the center could not travel but the ends of the kite could.  It sounds like
it might work but I'm going to let him try it first.  I'll keep you posted.
In the mean time, my peel is a light wind kite.

john
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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: sasaki@sasaki.zko.dec.com (Marty Sasaki)
Subject: Re: Hot Cutting
Reply-To: sasaki@tle.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:15:01 GMT


In article <1992Jul25.011822.18482@nds.com>, brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter) writes:
|>Where can you get aluminum tape?

I get aluminum tape from a large home center/lumber yard, Home Depot.
Larger hardware stores also have it. I think that it is actualy meant
for use in heating and ductwork, but don't know for sure.
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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: Hot Cutting
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:00:00 +0000


> I know that the shotgunners also use steel shot. I'm not sure if it's cheaper
> or not, but it might not be as hazardous as the lead shot (if indeed the lead
> shot is hazardous).


I'd be *far* more concerned about the tubes from hot cutting than I
would be about handling lead shot inside a nylon tube.

AFAIK, lead shot is increasingly difficult to get in the US, as
recent legislation requires steel shot instead (wildfowlers shoot,
lead shot ends up in lakes, ducks eat it).

          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: c8934948@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Adam Jones)
Subject: Re: Peels (was Re: Ultralight, slow, precise...)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:04:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul15.162822.20987@ibmpcug.co.uk>, gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes:
> In article <1992Jul15.034440.352@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ap856@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John A. Wincek) writes:
> In article <1992Jul15.034440.352@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> you write:
>>I used the $450 on a peel which is comming in tomorrow but I have no idea
>>what color it is.  I cursed my friend when he let me fly his because it was
>>such a great experience that I just had to order one.  No light puller,
>>this.
> 
> Watch it!
> 
> I borrowed a 5m peel in a force 5 wind (!) a couple of weeks ago from the UK
> importer.  (He had seen me flying my stack of flexies)  These things pull
> like stink, but in addition, they are slower than stacked flexies, so they
> spend much more time in the power zone during launch.  Also, if the thing
> collapses at the edge, it falls back down into the power and re-inflates -
> so you are back to being dragged across the field again.  On top of this,
> I understand that because of the way that the bridle is wired, if you have had
> enough and drop one handle, it will stay inflated and fly circles in the power
> zone.
> 
> So... It's loads of fun, but find a *big* field if you fly it in a serious wind.
> 
> (All I did was launch it and do one spin and I travelled over 500' of field)
> 
> Andrew

Watch it!!! is under estimating the peel.

I saw a 5m Peel for the first time last weekend. The owner was using it 
to pull him around in a buggy. He only got half way across the park and was
pulled clean out of the buggy. He lost hold of one of the handles and the
kite remained inflated and continued to do cicles in the power zone. As for
the guy he got pulled across the park on his face and I did not have a hope
in hell of catching him. The kite finally came to rest over 150m away in a
tree across the top of the power lines. latter when the wind was stronger
I was flying a stack of 5 8' flexies and only just getting dragged.
Good luck to Peel flyers...

Adam.
From: roy@panix.com (Roy Radow)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Advice sought on NBK & Lite Flight
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:21:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I'm the person who is looking for an slow ultra light with not much
pull.

First of all I wish to thank all who have responded to my previous 
inquiry. Your input was invaluable.

Now, to today's episode:

I visited Kite World on Long Island (a very nice store with very
pleasant & helpful people) and the person there recommended a
British kite named Lite Flight ($188) for very low wings (2-15 mph)
and NBK ($185) for a slightly higher wind range (4-20 mph).

She says that the Lite Flight is VERY slow, doesn't have that much
pull, and of course flies in VERY low winds.

In the past I have bought kites without first flying them myself
and as a result am now a bit more cautious. 

Has anyone had any experience with these kites?

Do you think they would meet my needs? (Or do you have other 
recommendations?)

And, lastly does the price seem reasonable?

Thanks for all your help.

Happy flying :-)

Roy
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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: newby@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Newby)
Subject: Kite shop in NE USA
Followup-To: rec.kites, poster
Summary: Location of two kite shops in North Ease United States
Keywords: store
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 03:23:45 GMT

Hola fellow kite flyers.  Here's another Kite shop I haven't seen in any of 
the lists of stores:

KITE WORLD
(800)247-9032

2 locations:

353 Harry L. Drive
Johnson City, NY 13790
(607)729-5700

also located at:

9 Jordan St.
Skaneateles, NY ?????  (Zip Code unknown)
(315)685-0718

They claim to be open year round (for you die-hard winter flyers).

Disclaimer:  I am in no way affiliated with Kite World in any way, shape, or 
form.  I am posting this as a service to those interested in this sport, and
not for profit or any personal gain.

Have fun!
-matt

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From: brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter)
Subject: Computers & Kite Making (Was: Hot Cutting)
Organization: Northwest Digital Systems
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 01:16:38 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

sasaki@sasaki.zko.dec.com (Marty Sasaki) writes:
: In article <63580@hydra.gatech.EDU>, sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:
: |>I'm a little different in that I come out of Autocad, no hand drawn stuff
: |>for me unless I miss a little bit and don't want to replot. Being on
: |>a micro CAD system makes allowances a breeze and changing size is as
: |>easy as plotting to a different scale. To say nothing of being precise.
: |>Normally my kites are within 1/16" of being perfectly symetrical. God, I  
: |>love CAD.
: 
: I would love to have a CAD system with a big plotter. Right now I use
: rulers and calculators to scale drawings and such. Anybody want to
: donate a computer and a large plotter?

Who needs a large plotter?  I use a dot matrix printer spitting out
8-1/2" x 11" sheets of paper.  My computer calculates all of the
dimensions and prints sheets of the important angles (i.e. every
place that will be connected with only a straight line).  I then
dig out my straight edge and "connect the dots".

It's not as simple as an E size plotter, but it's easier than drawing the
whole pattern by hand.

Brian
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From: grantm@syacus.acus.oz.au (Grant McCauley)
Subject: Re: Theft
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:02:52 GMT

Theft is becoming a growing concern with me as well. There have been numerous
occasion where someone has been eyeing off a couple of my kites. At the NSW
Kiting Championship in Australia, one guy had his Phantom stolen and someone
else had there parafoil taken.

I have been thinking about writing my details onto the kite, but have not
found a suitable marker that will write finely, not rub off and STAND OUT
on black/white leading edge dacron. Anyone had any success at finding a
suitable marker??

Thanks, Grant..
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