From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: To be or not to be - ashamed
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:21:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.222823.22976@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.195628.23998@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>
>You missed the posts and discussions around the temple/mosque destruction
>and sunsequent killings thereof in Indian subcontinent, political actions
>and inactions by the government and various leaders involved etc.

Hardly. It was nothing but a bunch of BS, promulgated by a bunch of 
patronizing, pandering blowhards. I read nothing that everyone didn't
already know.

>Well, I didn't see very many standing up for the protection of life,
>especially those of Hindus and apathetic Hindus on this net who come to
>rescue of Muslims at the cost of Hindus bear the onus to some extent.
>They have brought shame to Hinduism as much as those BM destroyers
>did. 

Now I am really lost. Am I supposed to defend the Hindus, admonish the Hindus,
or empathize with the Muslims and take up arms against Hindus? You forget,
we are ~10,000 miles away for it all, bs-ing on a net in the USA. What we
say, hardly matters.

> I don't know what your position has been on this as you rarely
>speak your mind on serious issues. 

I think you give this net too much credit.
 
>
>Your analogy is however incorrect.  I didn't blame the Indian subcontinent 
>people for the recent bloodbath following Ayodhya. 

Uh? Correct me if I am wrong. Wasn't I supposed to fell ashamed just a minute
ago and bear the onus.

>I believe the ruling
>Congress (I), judiciary as well as the Kar-sevaks are indirectly responsible 
>for this bloodbath. However the issue I am raising is not who is to be blamed 
>for it. The issue I am concerned about is that Hindus seem to be disowning 
>their co-faithfuls in hours of need.

If I don't agree with the actions of a few Hindus, how am I supposed the come
to their defense? Why should I come to their defense? Wouldn't that make me just
as responsible. According to you not doing anything, is tantamount to 
wholehearted support.  As you might have guessed, I am neither a kar-sevak or
a member of the Congress(I) party. Oh! I am not part of the judiciary either.
>
>What I said is that Hindus around the world
>ought to take more responsibility for the protection of their Hindu kins 
>around the world.

That like saying all Muslims should take responsiblity for the actions of 
Iraq, Ayatollah, etc. Come on! You are sounding like the guys raving about 
Islamic brotherhood. Just as their is no Islamic brotherhood there is no
Hindu brotherhood, or Christian brotherhood, etc.


> What I said is that most Hindus on this net failed in this 
>responsibility in their fervour to denounce the destruction of a mere
>building and should be ashamed of themselves.

I thought I was supposed to take more responsiblity for the protection of my
Hinud kins. If I proclaim to be ashamed, I think I will leave myself open
for repraisals. I take responsibility only for my actions or inactions. 
I don't believe ( unlike most of the readership) that I can make a 
difference rehashing stuff which has been said a countless number of times.

>
>You as a Hindu failed to take a stand on anything: whether it is
>the destruction of BM or whether it is the burning innocent women and 
>children while praying in temples in Pakistan.

This net is not a political forum for your fillibustering. This net
is a stupid net. I don't think what a bunch of expatriate graduates (the
majority on the net) rant and rave about matters too much in the
scope of things. Besides, as soon as they find jobs with a company to
sponsor them, say good bye to India and its problems. Which is fine
by me.
So, let us
step back and view this clearly. I find it hard to believe that you 
actually think what is said on the net somehow adds to a better 
understanding. It's just a bunch of guys caught in an infinite loop
of pretending they are Matthew Broderick in "War Games". You know, that
hacker mentality, flexing their intellectual prowess and all that. 

Does anyone really read Kant?? 

Rakesh Patel