From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: Gays, the military and "privacy"
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:34:25 GMT

phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >
madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >   >
phil: >    >>
maddi:>    >>>
phil: >    >>>>

>    >>>>No charges have been filed, yet Michels has stepped down. As
>    >>>>SCO wishes to go public, it is not good for an IPO to have
>    >>>>such shit going on. He was most likely forced out.
>    >>>>
>    >>>Wrong again. Charges have been filed with the State EEO
>    >>>office by two of the five. Civil lawsuits have also been
>    >>>filed. So what are you talking about?
>    >>>
>    >>As I said, no charges have been filed. A complaint is not a
>    >>charge, nor is a lawsuit. When the District Attorney and a
>    >>Grand Jury indict Michels for rape, now THAT's a charge. As
>    >>in "an indictment charging ...".
>    >>
>    >>Now, care to publicly admit you're wrong?
>    >>
>    >Since such incidents are RARELY charged as criminal behavior,
>    >it is misleading of you to imply that since no CRIMINAL
>    >charges have been filed, that therefore nothing is going on.
>    >A CIVIL lawsuit is still damaging to the company, which is
>    >why Michels stepped down. Michels is not accused of rape, yet
>    >you imply a lack of a rape charge as proof that there is no
>    >proof of wrongdoing. Very misleading, Phil. The question you........
>
>Sigh - very very intellectually dishonest. Why don't you just admit that
>you were wrong?

Because I wasn't.  You have a serious projection problem, Phil.
You were wrong FOUR times, but you keep changing the subject.
Where's the support for your assertion that r.h.f. became PC
when I took over moderation?  Seventh request, Phil.

>Michels stepped down NOT because of lawsuits (any company that size has
>lawsuits against it on an ongoing basis) nor because of EEO complaints
>(again, any company that size will have continual EEO complaints), but
>because of FOA.

Assertion without proof.  Elaborate.  At no point do you show he
stepped down due to FOA.  Your later remark shows he stepped due
because of money, so you destroy your own argument.

>It has been undountedly pointed out that a LOT of people that are working
>on taking SCO public stand to lose a good chunk of money if the IPO
>is damaged -- and it will be damaged by any hint of unresolved scandal.
>
>Given that the two Michels have 35% of SCO, and assuming that an
>unresolved scandal could lower the IPO price by say, 10%, that would
>cost the Michels tens of millions of dollars.
>
>Tens of millions of dollars is enough to make ME step down.

Fine.  You have now advanced the hypothesis that the senior
Michels stepped down due to money.  Demonstrate what this has
to do with FOA.

>
>Oh, and by the way -- I did not imply "a lack of a rape charge as proof that
>there is no proof of wrongdoing."

Then why did you remove your comments that I stated implied this
very thing?  Very deceitful.

>Again, you were wrong and seem unable to admit it.

Projection.  Bad case.  Get help.

>Do you realize the WORLD of difference between charges and lawsuits and EEO
>complaints?

I've already addressed this issue, and it's even included in this
article, but you choose to ignore it.  Charges occur for rapes.
Short of that, the way to go is a lawsuit or an EEO complaint.
It's that simple.

>How would YOU like someone to erroneously say that you were charged with
>various felonies? I don't think you'd like it one bit. Get your act
>together and get your facts straight.

Well, given there are also no lawsuits or complaints filed against
me, I'd just ignore it.  Stop changing the subject.  The issue is
that Michels was forced to step down because of scandal and money.
FOA and PC-ness have zero to do with this situation.

Your problem is you think FOA and PC apply to every situation.
Get help.  You're seriously off the deep end.

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