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From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Nervous High School Swimmer
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:32:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.osterber.726852776
Distribution: usa

> A young girl I know is a freshman in high school and on the swim
>team. She is pretty good and does well in meets even when she swims
>in varsity races. The problem is that she gets incredibly, almost
>hysterically nervous from the day before a meet right up to it. 

Not too hard to understand at all. I'm a freshman competing on a ranked
college varsity team right now. Her nerviousness is inevidably simply
being very sensitive to the pressures of her competition. Being a
freshman, she is new to the team, and doesn't know the other swimmers or
the "routine" as well as the upperclassmen. There's a large bit of anxiety
involved with being a new person in a new situation. This anxiety is
combined with what she perceives as pressure to perform for the crowd. She
probably feels like she needs to show everyone how good she is, etc., etc.
It takes some self-control to overcome these pressures. She needs to
recognize that she isn't "performing" for the school, or for her parents,
or for anybody. She's performing for herself. *She* knows that she's a
good swimmer. That's all that counts. Don't worry about being faster or
slower than anyone else for some times, just worry about performing to
your own personal best. Just like the Army, "Be all you can be." Don't try
to be something that you aren't. And, if you screw up, swim a bad race, so
what? No biggie. In reality, next week, who's going to remember? (Unless
of course, this is finals at national championships, with TV networks
filming... *then* it's OK to get a bit nervous).

Basically - tell her to swim for herself, not anyone else.
-rick
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:41:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec30.151527.22457@shearson.com> brekshyn@shearson.com writes:
#>
#>Well, here's one "pre-lane" etiquette:
#>
#>*) Take a shower before entering the pool!

The worst offenders, in my experience, are women
wearing heavy perfume. I've had times when I took
a breath and began gagging on the fumes.

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
From: schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:29:14 -0800
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Santa Clara Division
Distribution: usa
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bhill@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert S. Hill) wrote:
> My wife's pet peeve is people who take her kickboard when she is
> temporarily not using it.  Naturally, she leaves it on the side at the
> end of the lane, and naturally, some idiots are too lazy to go to the
> kickboard storage pile and get their own.

The flip side of this are the many folks who are too lazy to put
away their equipment, so many people get in the habit of using
whatever is on the deck.  They shouldn't swipe others' equipment,
but often they don't think they are.

> Also, she doesn't like the feet-touching protocol for passing.  Either
> just pass if you are fast enough and in a position to, or wait.  The
> swimmer being passed is usually aware and should just stop at the end
> of the lane if necessary.

Yeah, in an ideal world, the swimmer being passed should be aware.
But that isn't always true.  And some swimmers like to sit right on
your feet and drag and have no interest in passing.  It's very hard
to tell what they are going to do.  A tap on the foot really means
you want to pass (except in open water ;-).

> Also, people entering an established lane should make sure and 
> communicate with those already there, and not just dive in.

This is true, however, some people make it quite difficult to
communicate by completely ignoring you and hoping you'll disappear
and go to a different lane.  There is a responsibility on the part
of the swimmer in the water to pay attention as well.
From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder)
Subject: Re: Goggles
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:08:33 GMT

>>It costs $60 when your contact lenses wash out.  You didn't really think
>>that he was going to pay $60 for a replacement strap, or even the goggles,
>>did you?!?

>You can do better than that. Get "contacts" ground that you stick to the
>inside of your goggles. Basically, at that point, all you need to do is
>continuously replace straps. I know many people who have been doing this
>for quite some time.

There is even a better solution to the problem.  I have known many
people who wears contacts and are swimmers and there are two things
they have done:
	1) It IS possible to but prescription goggles.  That way
	   there is no risk AT ALL for losing a contact.
	2) Learn to swim without any contact lenses.  You WILL
	   eventually get used to the appearance of the wall and
	   the distance you need to travel for a flip turn.  This
	   is probably the least expensive solution.  If back-
    	   stroke is your primary stroke, depending on your sight
	   the flags MAY be a problem.
I know many people that practice both of these ways (and compete as
well) and they are much more aggresive and not as conscious about
their lenses.  It allows them to focus on practice a little better as
well......

-Darrow
From: alvidrez@tpflow.enet.dec.com (Artie Alvidrez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Date: 6 JAN 93 17:16:48
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: TPFLOW

OK, so how about lane etiquette for MASTERS swimming workouts.  I'll start
it off:

  o  Find the lane that matches your swim speed as best you can.  If
     you are either slower or faster, your lane mates will not appreciate
     it.  Agree on a speed before the set begins.  Circle in the lane,
     don't split it.  If you find yourself consistenly passing the swimmer 
     in front,  consider moving up a lane.  If you find yourself constantly 
     being passed, consider moving down (you may have to swallow some 
     pride here).

  o  Leave a good enough gap from the swimmer in front of you.  Ten seconds
     is a good rule of thumb.  If there are a lot of swimmers in your lane,
     you can cut it to five, but no less.  You might crash into each other
     when doing flip turns if you leave too soon (plus you'll draft from
     the swimmer in front)

  o  If you lead the lane, make *d**n* sure you know what the set is.  If
     you're not sure, clarify it with the coach or other lane mates before
     doing the set.

  o  Please don't chit-chat while the set is being given by the coach.

  o  Make sure you do the rest time that's prescribed by the coach for the
     set.  If you find yourself coming to the wall early and getting lots 
     more rest than your lane mates, consider moving up to a faster lane.

  o  Don't come to practice and do your *own* workout when your lane is
     doing the workout given by the coach.  That's really lap swimming,
     and you should do that during lap swimming hours.  Exceptions are
     when there are *very* few swimmers in the lane (like yourself and
     maybe one other swimmer.)

  o  Make sure your breath is not offensive before starting practice.

Any others?

AAA
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Goggles
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:56:05 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <1993Jan11.091955@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> sperzel@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (markus sperzel) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>are there any tips on choosing swimming goggles?
>
>I'm looking for a pair of goggles that are perfectly tight, because I would swim
>with my contact lenses (Scared to loose them!!!)
>Has anybody experience in swimming with conctact lenses?
>I think a good pair of goggles should have exchangeable sealings (I think
>goggles from Swans or Barracuda (sp) have these sealings).
>What about goggles from Swans or Barracuda ? Any experience?
>
>thanx for every response
>
>/markus 
>


First, NO OPTOMETRIST OR OPTHALMOLOGIST CONDONES WEARING SOFT LENSES INTO THE
POOL IF YOU PLAN TO KEEP THEM IN THAT NIGHT.  This is serious business and has
caused the loss of a few dozen eyes or so in this country [plus, presumably,
more cases of a lesser impairment].  I don't mean blindness -- the eye has to
come out.

There is a species of ameoba that chlorine cannot kill.  It can survive in the
cornea and sneak into the gel if and only if your cornea has a tiny scratch in
it somewhere [not uncommon, especially among lens wearers -- they heal but it
takes a couple of days] and a lens is in place overnight when the oxygen is
low.  Even apparently perfect goggles are not perfect enough, and some droplets
of contaminated water can get through.


Now, if you are wearing daily wear lenses, or you take your lenses out
overnight, or today happens to be your last day, go ahead.

I have logged over 500 aquatic miles in my gas perms, and have had no trouble.
I wear inexpensive "Compy" goggles, not Barracuda or the like, but i will not
recommend that particular brand to you.


Why?  Because every face is different.  Fortunately, every brand of
goggle is also different.


Go to a store that has at least a half dozen brands.  Press one pair of each
brand, in turn, into your face.  Do not put the strap on.  The one that stays
up by suction the longest before it falls is the winner.

Buy a pair of the second place performer too.  It might actually turn out to
work best for you for a subtle reason [like the winner was cheating by a glue
residue of some sort].


-dk


PS: Replace the goggles every 6 months [120 miles] .  

    I used to wait until the strap broke, which was usually about a year, but
    with a strap break being likely to cost $60 or so* you should replace
    goggles preemptively.

* not to mention my wife would have to pick me up since i wouldn't be able to
  pedal in a straight line without lenses
From: scotty@surfer.gvg.tek.com (Scott Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Swim camp
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:44:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

My two kids received brochures in the mail yesterday
for the Stanford Swim Camp coming up this summer. I was
wondering if anybody has any experience with this
swim camp and if it was (or any other camp) worth the
$500 for a week (per kid).  My kids are 9 and 10 years old. 
Has anybody sent their kids early in their swim career and
benefited or is it best to wait until they are older?

Thanks for the advice.
From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:51:19 GMT

king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:

>Actually i would like it if pools' lanes alternated; odd numbered lanes
>circulate clockwise, even numbered lanes circulate counterclockwise.  

>The advantage?  In the all-too-narrow lanes of the pools i have available,
>"hand-to-hand combat" with the person going the other way is common.  If you

However, have you ever *tried* to swim clockwise? After spending your life
swimming counter clockwise, it's damn near impossible to get the
coordination down. In fact, counter-clockwise is so ingrained,that it's
usually a problem in meets, where people "circle-swim" in a race, thereby
making the race longer for them. Plus, from experience, you'll find that
if you do the alternating method, if you end upswimming right next to
someone, the "hand-to-hand" is worse. If you're the same speed, you end up
battling continuously, and, if you're swimming fast enough, the currents
and wave action that you end up dealing with is annoying.
-Rick
From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Goggles
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:26:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.osterber.726866772
 <1993Jan12.005605.23122@kestrel.edu> <osterber.726852638@husc.harvard.edu> <1993Jan12.164217.13723@walter.bellcore.com>

>It costs $60 when your contact lenses wash out.  You didn't really think
>that he was going to pay $60 for a replacement strap, or even the goggles,
>did you?!?

You can do better than that. Get "contacts" ground that you stick to the
inside of your goggles. Basically, at that point, all you need to do is
continuously replace straps. I know many people who have been doing this
for quite some time.

>Oh, and "inevitably" doesn't have a "d" in it :-) (from your other post).
Whatever.
-Rick
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Skaha Lake Ultra Swim
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 14:23:18 GMT

  I was wondering if any of you folks out there might have some
  information or experience with doing the Skaha Lake Ultra
  Swim.  This is held, I beleive, in July in Pentictin, British
  Columbia, Canada.  It is a 6 mile open water swim that goes
  from Okanogen Falls back to Penticton. 

  Thanks,
  Curt
From: sperzel@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (markus sperzel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Goggles
Date: 11 Jan 1993 08:25:56 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp62.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

Hi everybody,

are there any tips on choosing swimming goggles?

I'm looking for a pair of goggles that are perfectly tight, because I would swim
with my contact lenses (Scared to loose them!!!)
Has anybody experience in swimming with conctact lenses?
I think a good pair of goggles should have exchangeable sealings (I think
goggles from Swans or Barracuda (sp) have these sealings).
What about goggles from Swans or Barracuda ? Any experience?

thanx for every response

/markus 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: feinberg@icd.teradyne.com (Mike Feinberg)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Reply-To: feinberg@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:48:15 GMT

One that I _like_ most is when >2 are sharing the lane going counter clockwise
(isn`t that an obvious way if you ever had valid drivers license?) and an
extra dives in and starts plowing clockwise with his/her eyes closed.
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From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Goggles
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:44:09 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <osterber.726852638@husc.harvard.edu> osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg) writes:
>king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>>PS: Replace the goggles every 6 months [120 miles] .  
>
>>    I used to wait until the strap broke, which was usually about a year, but
>>    with a strap break being likely to cost $60 or so* you should replace
>>    goggles preemptively.
>
>How does a strap break cost $60? Do you realize that for nearly all
>goggles, you can buy replacement straps for about 50 cents apiece?
>-Rick

The context was contact lens wearing.

A strap breakage costs $60 because both my lenses are on the bottom of the
pool, probably undfindable.

-dk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:10:58 GMT

Artie Alvidrez (alvidrez@tpflow.enet.dec.com) wrote:
:   o  Leave a good enough gap from the swimmer in front of you.  Ten seconds
:      is a good rule of thumb.  If there are a lot of swimmers in your lane,
:      you can cut it to five, but no less.  You might crash into each other
:      when doing flip turns if you leave too soon (plus you'll draft from
:      the swimmer in front)

	Funny story about this:  when I was traveling and linked up
with the U. San Francisco Masters, we ended up with 7 people in a lane
for a set of 100's on a tough interval.  We had to leave three seconds
apart -- which provided a great draft.  Until the numbers thinned out
some, and I was suddenly struggling to make the interval.
	Drafting is fun until you lose the draft.


:   o  Make sure your breath is not offensive before starting practice.

	This is one I hadn't thought of, but I always use Scope in the
morning anyway!

: Any others?

	Take off jewelry, especially heavy watches.  I've still got
scars on my hand from smacking a *metal* watch.  I don't mind the
occasional hand collision, but it hurts when the other hand is weighted.


: 
: AAA

	Jim Acker

	(E-mail swim meet format out this week, I promise!)
From: kayleigh@access.digex.com (Steve Gallichio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: puck in wrong net?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:35:44 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

> If anyone wants to check out this kind of play again, make sure you watch
> highlights for tonight's Montreal-Hartford game.  Same type of play, with
> Pat Verbeek (I think) centering from behind the net and going all the way

Yes, it was 'beeker. Sad thing is, it's the first empty net Verbeek hasn't
missed all season.

Best line: Goalie Mario Gosselin (playing first NHL game in a while due
to injury to S. Burke and pulling of Pietrangelo): "I want to get a tape
of that play for my kids; I can say to them 'Look...there's your dad. There's
your dad's net. Notice your dad isn't anywhere near his net!'"

Turned out to be the winning goal in a 7-5 Montreal victory.

-Steve Gallichio (A real live Hartford Whalers season ticket holder) (Ooh-aah)
-steveg@cadkey.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:39:25 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Mario Lemieux
Distribution: world,local

In article <7JAN199308232473@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com>, rx84335@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com
(BENVENGA MARK J) says:
>
>I just heard that Mario will be out 2-3 weeks.
>Can someone confirm this?
>
>Mark
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just read about it in the Chicago Sun-Times --

Mario Lemieux will be sidelined for 2 1/2 weeks due to stiffness in his back.

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Elitserien, Sweden: Spring '93 Schedule
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:43:30 GMT


			ELITSERIEN SPRING '93 SCHEDULE:
			===============================

 Thursday, January 7:	Djurgarden - Lulea
			Malmo - Brynas
			MoDo - HV 71
			Leksand - Rogle
			Vasteras - Farjestad

 Sunday, January 10:	Rogle - MoDo
			HV 71 - Malmo
			Brynas - Djurgarden
			Lulea - Vasteras
			Farjestad - Leksand

 Thursday, 14 January:	Djurgarden - HV 71
			Malmo - Rogle
			MoDo - Farjestad
			Leksand - Vasteras
			Brynas - Lulea

 Sunday, January 17:	Vasteras - MoDo
			Farjestad - Malmo
			Rogle - Djurgarden
			HV 71 - Brynas
			Lulea - Leksand

 Thursday, January 21:	Djurgarden - Farjestad
			Malmo - Lulea
			MoDo - Leksand
			HV 71 - Vasteras
			Brynas - Rogle

 Sunday, January 24:	Leksand - Malmo
			Vasteras - Djurgarden
			Farjestad - Brynas
			Rogle - HV 71
			Lulea - MoDo

 Thursday, January 28:	Djurgarden - Malmo
			Lulea - Farjestad
			Vasteras - Rogle
			HV 71 - Leksand
			MoDo - Brynas

 Sunday, January 31:	Djurgarden - Leksand
			Malmo - MoDo
			Rogle - Lulea
			HV 71 - Farjestad
			Brynas - Vasteras

 Tuesdag, February 2:	MoDo - Djurgarden
			Leksand - Brynas
			Vasteras - Malmo
			Farjestad - Rogle
			Lulea - HV 71

 Thursday, February 4:	Lulea - Djurgarden
			HV 71 - MoDo
			Rogle - Leksand
			Farjestad - Vasteras
			Brynas - Malmo

 Saturday, February 6:	Djurgarden - Brynas

 Sunday, February 7:	Leksand - Farjestad
			MoDo - Rogle
			Malmo - HV 71
			Vasteras - Lulea

 Thursday, February 18:	HV 71 - Djurgarden
			Rogle - Malmo
			Farjestad - MoDo
			Vasteras - Leksand
			Lulea - Brynas

 Sunday, February 21:	MoDo - Vasteras
			Malmo - Farjestad
			Djurgarden - Rogle
			Brynas - HV 71
			Leksand - Lulea

 Thursday, February 25:	Farjestad - Djurgarden
			Lulea - Malmo
			Leksand - MoDo
			Vasteras - HV 71
			Rogle - Brynas

 Sunday, February 28:	Malmo - Leksand
			Djurgarden - Vasteras
			Brynas - Farjestad
			HV 71 - Rogle
			MoDo - Lulea

 Thursday, March 4:	Malmo - Djurgarden
			Rogle - Vasteras
			Leksand - HV 71
			Brynas - MoDo
			Farjestad - Lulea

 Sunday, March 7:	Leksand - Djurgarden
			MoDo - Malmo
			Lulea - Rogle
			Farjestad - HV 71
			Vasteras - Brynas

 Thursday, March 11:	Djurgarden - MoDo
			Brynas - Leksand
			Malmo - Vasteras
			Rogle - Farjestad
			HV 71 - Lulea


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