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From: dorham_r@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: I like pollution a bunch
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:48:12 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

I kinda disagree with some of the ecological do-gooders.  I have no
internal desire to save the earth.  First, the earth is much greater
than I am, and it has it's own internal mechanisims for healing itself.
Since I am pretty sure that this big old blue wiggly planet will
last at least until I am dead,  I could care less!  After lunch today
I will flip an empty Kentucky Fried Chicken box out of my car window.

I drive a 68 Caddy' that has a hole in muffler, and leaks oil.
Disaster or what?

You keep cleaning up, cause people like me will keep you busy!

				toxic ted.
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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,dc.forsale,dc.general,misc.forsale,talk.environment,misc.consumers
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Rainforest Action Network's Alert #74
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:25:27

Let's have an impact statement from Cameron Spitzer that would include
the harm that Rainforest Action Network's proposals might do.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: liebman@banana.ithaca.ny.us (david seth liebman)
Subject: Re: OZONE DEPLETION
Organization: The Banana, a BBS in Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:59:40 GMT

wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:

> In article <1992Jul28.143042.5729@den.mmc.com> rea@den.mmc.com  writes:
> >
> >Whats the latest on ozone depletion?

gunks of political whangdoodle.  the ozone is still
depleting, CFCs are to be replaced with something else that
_still_ destroys ozone (but less of it), the u.s. still behaves
poorly at environmental conferences, and the john birch society
is still dementedly lying about everything in alt.activism.

> >
> There isn't any.
> 
ozone, you mean.  nor intelligence.

--
liebman@banana.ithaca.ny.us (david seth liebman)
The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca, NY
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr))
Subject: Re: I like pollution a bunch
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:48:38 GMT

dorham_r@lrc.edu writes:
: I kinda disagree with some of the ecological do-gooders.  I have no
: internal desire to save the earth.  First, the earth is much greater
: than I am, and it has it's own internal mechanisims for healing itself.
: Since I am pretty sure that this big old blue wiggly planet will
: last at least until I am dead,  I could care less!  After lunch today
: I will flip an empty Kentucky Fried Chicken box out of my car window.
: 
: I drive a 68 Caddy' that has a hole in muffler, and leaks oil.
: Disaster or what?
: 
: You keep cleaning up, cause people like me will keep you busy!

Hmm. Sounds like famous last words. Could be that one day you will
meet someone, that someone will want children and all of a sudden you
have an investment in the future. 

Of course it's easy to say--me? nah nevah. Just like my 6 yr old boy
swears he'll never kiss a girl. Things change my friend. 


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From: gordon@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GORDON ALLEN R)
Subject: Re: I like pollution a bunch
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:08:29 GMT

dorham_r@lrc.edu writes:

>I kinda disagree with some of the ecological do-gooders.  I have no
>internal desire to save the earth.  First, the earth is much greater
>than I am, and it has it's own internal mechanisims for healing itself.
>Since I am pretty sure that this big old blue wiggly planet will
>last at least until I am dead,  I could care less!  After lunch today
>I will flip an empty Kentucky Fried Chicken box out of my car window.

>I drive a 68 Caddy' that has a hole in muffler, and leaks oil.
>Disaster or what?

>You keep cleaning up, cause people like me will keep you busy!

>				toxic ted.

Your choice of words is interesting.  You say "I kinda disagree with...".  What
does that mean?  You sound like a real bundle of laughs to hang out with.  I'll
bet you have a lot of friends.  You lonely, or what?  Your posting is very
revealing about how you feel about yourself.

-- 
Allen Gordon 		         *If the folly of but one of us was changed to*
Research Associate         	 *intelligence, and divided amongst a thousand*
gordon@tramp.colorado.edu   	 *toads, each would be more intelligent than  *
				 *Aristotle				      *
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: rea@den.mmc.com 
Subject: OZONE DEPLETION
Originator: rea@avila
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:30:42 GMT



Whats the latest on ozone depletion?
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From: joe@zitt (Joe Zitt)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: info on Robert Ashley and Gordon Mumma (recordings)?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:21:03 CDT
Organization: The Shekhinah Project, Austin, TX

bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) writes:

> 	Actually it's "Dresden Interleaf".  Mumma also has
> 	a more recent work, "Mesa/Pontpoint/Fwynn", with
> 	Pauline Oliveros & David Tudor.

"Dresden Interleaf" is from Mumma's album "Megaton for William Burroughs."
(One trivia note: One of the pieces on the album (I forget which) uses a
recording of communications among a bomber squadron in WWII. George Lucas
quotes this sequence almost verbatim in the climactic section of Star Wars.)

> 	Ashley has a number of works out on Lovely. Ones
> 	that i know about are "Automatic Writing", "The Bar",
> 	"Music Word Fire And I Would Do It Again", "Perfect
> 	Lives (Private Parts)", "Private Parts for Narrator,
> 	Keyboards & Percussion".  He also is on "Just for
> 	the Record", an interesting collection of multi-
> 	keyboard works, and narrates Eliane Radigue's "Songs
> 	of Milarepa" (a personal favorite).

My favorite Ashley recording is "Automatic Writing", but it's of limited
appeal. I recently picked up his "Yellow Man with Heart with Wings", and
haven't yet decided if I like it.

I have the 3 record set of Atalanta, but keep putting off giving it a
serious listen. I went to a live performance many years ago that was
awful, but I understand that the piece has mutated since then and that
the record bears mercifully little resemblance to what I sat through.

Peter Greenaway did a good video profile of him, available on the Mystic
Fire video series "4 American Composers".

The complete "Perfect Lives" is available in several forms:
	- Libretto (From Archer Fields/Burning Books, ISBN 0-9627767-7-7)
	- Complete recording (CD & Cassette)
	- Video (2 videocassetes, totalling 181 minutes)

Most of these works are available from:
	Lovely Communications, Ltd.
	10 Beach Street
	NYC, NY 10013
	Tel 212/941-8911	Fax 212/334-5149

I'm not connected with them; I just happen to have their brochure nearby.
--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt 	       ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe  	       (512)450-1916
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: rolfe@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher John Rolfe)
Subject: Re: Paul Dolden
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:29:41 GMT

Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman) writes:

>Just out of curiousitly, does the name of Vancouver, BC's Paul Dolden ring a
>bell to anyone. How would you describe his music? Thanks,j.x

As the electro-acoustic analog to Kurt Schwitters' junk collages.  The
music is made from all the key-slaps, and squeaks left behind in other
music.  He's into timbres you can't find without close mic'ing a
clarinet and overdubbing it 200 times.  
	I really enjoyed Second Order Beating a show he was doing last
year with Andrew Czink.  Post-modern, text-reading noise assault on
sex, art, and Elvis.

Chris
rolfe@sfu.ca
From: Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Paul Dolden
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:36:54 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Just out of curiousitly, does the name of Vancouver, BC's Paul Dolden ring a
bell to anyone. How would you describe his music? Thanks,j.x
Newsgroups: alt.emusic,rec.music.classical
From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker)
Subject: Re: info on Robert Ashley and Gordon Mumma (recordings)?
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:30:03 GMT

In article <SMEHTA.92Jul12164732@kwela.nynexst.Com> smehta@nynexst.com writes:
|
|I heard works by two new-music composers 2 nights ago on WKCR's
|excellent early morning (1-5am for NYC area folk) program
|Transfigured Night, and am wondering if anyone can point me to
|(sources of) recordings and/or write-ups about these two. The first
|piece was an electronic collage, for lack of a better term, by Gordon
|Mumma (sp?) titeld THE DRESDEN INTERLUDE (Lovely, 1965) and the
|second, longer recording was by Robert Ashley (sp?): ATALANTA
|(Lovely, 1981).  Apparently, Mumma is/was a contemporary/cohort of
|Ashley's. I really enjoyed ATALANTA (named after the Greek heroine)
|which was an extended pc (I forget how many parts it was in) and had
|some really interesting vocal work which could be labelled operatic
|(if I knew more about either :-)).
|
|Is the Lovely label defunct? Does any one have any idea as to what
|other music they have released? Finally, are they any other
|recommendations of works by either of these or others on Lovely?


	Actually it's "Dresden Interleaf".  Mumma also has
	a more recent work, "Mesa/Pontpoint/Fwynn", with
	Pauline Oliveros & David Tudor.


	Ashley has a number of works out on Lovely. Ones
	that i know about are "Automatic Writing", "The Bar",
	"Music Word Fire And I Would Do It Again", "Perfect
	Lives (Private Parts)", "Private Parts for Narrator,
	Keyboards & Percussion".  He also is on "Just for
	the Record", an interesting collection of multi-
	keyboard works, and narrates Eliane Radigue's "Songs
	of Milarepa" (a personal favorite).


	You might also look at the work of Oliveros, Nicolas
	Collins, David Behrman, Gene Tyranny, etc., who are
	also on the Lovely roster...


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Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: jpl@world.std.com (John P Lamar)
Subject: MAX concert at Berklee College of Music during MacWorld.
Keywords: MAX, Music, Berklee
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:02:14 GMT

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          R E A L - T I M E  M U L T I M E D I A   C O N C E R T
 
 
             Featuring The MAX Development Group at Berklee 
              under the Direction of Dr. Richard Boulanger
                    
                        Special Guest Performers
                 *****David Zicarelli of Opcode Systems*****
               *****Neil Leonard of Mass College of Art******
                 
**Virtual Performance Instruments**
 
                           **DrumKat Controlled 3-D Graphics**
                               
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                          **Interactive Fractal Music**
                            
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Experience the next generation of virtuoso performance.
 
Works by;
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            John Burkhardt
           Matthew Davidson
              Dan Keldsen
              John Lamar
 
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* TWO SHOWS; 8 pm, Wendesday, August 5th & 8 pm, Thursday August 6th *  
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          Berklee College of Music-Music Synthesis Recital Hall
                      22 The Fenway-Room F12
                      Boston, Massachusetts
  Adjacent to Boston Consevertory-Hynes/ICA subway stop on the Green Line
                     
If you are in Boston for MacWorld- Come over for a great musical experience.
Seating is limited-call for reservations. 617-266-1400 (Music Synthesis Dept.)
 
For more info: Email John Lamar (jpl@world.std.com)
                    
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From: jpl@world.std.com (John P Lamar)
Subject: Re: MAX concert at Berklee College of Music during MacWorld.
Keywords: MAX, Music, Berklee
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:28:48 GMT

**********Attention***********Attention********
 
There has been a small change in plan for the MAX Concert.
 
Resevations are not required!
 Seating will be first come first seated.
PLEASE DO NOT CALL BERKLEE
I repeat
PLEASE DO NOT CALL BERKLEE FOR RESEVATIONS OR TICKETS.
 
Do to a mis-communication the Music Synthesis Office is not set up
to handle reservations. Do not call them!
Just show up at the Concert.
 
Sorry for any inconvenience this might have caused.
 
John Lamar jpl@world.std.com
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Subject: Re: Paul Dolden
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:24:06 GMT

yeah, second order beating was pretty good but i enjoyed it more for the
text/humor than the music though. in response to the question what does 
dolden's music sound like, the simplest i can put it is noisy.
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: dave_h@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (DAVID HILTZ)
Subject: singer
Organization: Atlantic Computer Institute
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:37:42 GMT

Who sings "Roxie Roller"?
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: rca@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert C Allender)
Subject: Re: The inevitable question
Originator: rca@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: rca@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:06:56 GMT

From article <1992Jul28.092805.392@mec.ohio.gov>, by oecn_smith@mec.ohio.gov:
> In article <Bs2r39.Hot@snuffy.wa.atk.com>, mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com 
> (Matthew_Luders) writes:
> 
> [Some very good examples of COBOL maintainability deleted]
>> 
>> There is a bright side.  For all the criticism that COBOL gets from software
>> engineers, it is possible to write structured, readable, maintainable code with
>> it.  Its record and field handling capabilities make it well-suited for
>> creating reports, which is probably what it's used for the most.  But the fact
>> that a program is written in COBOL certainly does *not* guarantee (or even
>> improve the chances) that it's maintainable.  In fact, you could argue that
>> there are elements of COBOL that tend to make programs written in it *less*
>> maintainable (e.g. the lack of local variables).  Some of these problems were
>> addressed with the release of COBOL-85 (e.g. the addition of the end-if and
>> evaluate statements), but I don't know how widely COBOL-85 is being used yet.
>> 
>> I'd be curious to hear other people's opinions on these topics.
> 
> I've been a programming seriously (read: making a living) in COBOL for about 6
> year now.  I started with the local Board of Ed. about 1 and 1/2 years ago and
> I was presented with a new set of manuals that contained the ANSI-85 stuff. 
> All my programs now are written to comply with that standard.  I have no idea
> how I got along without the end-read,end-if, end-perform, etc!
> 
> I work with 2 other programmers that have been with the Board of Ed for 10
> years.  They refuse to incorporate the ANSI-85 extentions, won't use blank
> lines between paragraphs, won't comment (they won't even put a block at the top
> of the program saying with the blasted thing does)!  They address the screen in
> tele-type fashion.
> 
> Truthfully, I have found it to be more cost effective and faster to rewrite
> their programs from scratch than to try to maintain it.
> 
> I have a quick question:  Currently, I am programming in VAX/VMS COBOL, which
> is very kind to me and allows me to code in LOWER case.  Now, is this just a
> VAX/VMS thing (I never tried it on the IBM running CMS) ?

I have used a few PC-based packages that allowed lower case.  I'm not
sure about other mainframe compilers, mine is also VAX/VMS.


> 
>> Matt Luders
>> mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com
>> 
>> These are my opinions only, not those of Alliant Techsystems Inc.
> 
> Bob Smith -- smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov
> disclaimer:  the Lorain County Board of Ed. would deny I spoke for them even if
>              I did.
> 

-- 




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From: mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com (Matthew_Luders)
Subject: Re: The inevitable question
Organization: Alliant TechSystems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:14:38 GMT

smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov (Bob Smith) writes:

>I work with 2 other programmers that have been with the Board of Ed for 10
>years.  They refuse to incorporate the ANSI-85 extentions, won't use blank
>lines between paragraphs, won't comment (they won't even put a block at the top
>of the program saying with the blasted thing does)!  They address the screen in
>tele-type fashion.

>Truthfully, I have found it to be more cost effective and faster to rewrite
>their programs from scratch than to try to maintain it.

I know how *exactly* how you feel.  Frustrating, isn't it?  At least you have
access to a COBOL-85 compiler.  We're still using COBOL-74, but hey, 1985 was
only 7 years ago--we wouldn't want to rush into anything :).


>I have a quick question:  Currently, I am programming in VAX/VMS COBOL, which
>is very kind to me and allows me to code in LOWER case.  Now, is this just a
>VAX/VMS thing (I never tried it on the IBM running CMS) ?

It's not just a VAX/VMS thing.  I work on a Honeywell DPS 90 mainframe running
the GCOS operating system, and its COBOL-74 compiler also allows lower case.
It's at least 10 years old, because the that's how old the manuals are.  I'm
not positive, but I believe that the language itself is defined to be case
insensitive.

Personally, I find code written in lower case to be *much* more readable than
that written in all capital letters.  I know there are a number of studies that
bear me out.  Apparently, people read by recognizing the form of entire words,
not individual letters, and words written in lower case are more distinct from
each other.  I'm glad to hear there are other people writing COBOL in lower
case, but I have a feeling we're in the minority.  True?


Matt Luders
mluders@snuffy.wa.atk.com

These are my opinions only, not those of Alliant Techsystems Inc.


Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: alawrenc@sobeco.com (a.lawrence)
Subject: Re: The inevitable question
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 03:02:23 GMT

In <1992Jul28.092805.392@mec.ohio.gov> oecn_smith@mec.ohio.gov writes:

>I work with 2 other programmers that have been with the Board of Ed for 10
>years.  They refuse to incorporate the ANSI-85 extentions, won't use blank
>lines between paragraphs, won't comment (they won't even put a block at the top
>of the program saying with the blasted thing does)!  They address the screen in
>tele-type fashion.

Your boss should force them to change their style or fire them.

>Truthfully, I have found it to be more cost effective and faster to rewrite
>their programs from scratch than to try to maintain it.

This is why he should fire them.

>I have a quick question:  Currently, I am programming in VAX/VMS COBOL, which
>is very kind to me and allows me to code in LOWER case.  Now, is this just a
>VAX/VMS thing (I never tried it on the IBM running CMS) ?

It's not just a VAX thing, there are other COBOL compilers that will let
you use lower case; but IBM compilers normally require upper case.  
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