HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: molenda@msi-i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: A R G I C allows itself far too much
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:05:09 GMT

scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:

>A quick scan thru the uucp maps and mx records shows that anatolia.mn.org
>has no listed connection to uunet.  They are a member of mn.org, a domain
>park connecting thru tcnet.

although there is no connection in the maps between uunet and
anatolia.mn.org, that is how the news is flowing.  Please don't waste
your time (and theirs) by contacting the people who run the mn.org
domain park or the University of Minnesota networking operations (the
information provided by whois about umn.edu.)  The Geometry center
(geom.umn.edu) has nothing to do with this, either.

The mn.org domain park provides _mail_ access to UUCP sites in Minnesota
for a modest (~$60 I think) fee.  They are in a rather tight spot as the
person who runs anatolia.mn.org has paid their fees.

Every time someone mail-bombs anatolia.mn.org, it affects the mn.org
mailer system and, as a result, all the UUCP folks in mn.org who depend
on that for their mail access.  It has crashed the gateway machine once
hard and caused it to hiccup at least one other time, I have heard.

Even if the mn.org folks manage to drop anatolia.mn.org, they will
still have their connection with UUNET and will have little trouble
continuing to output garbage to the net.

The mn.org people are working on a shoestring budget and most of the
people are doing the work in their spare time.  Please don't make it
any harder on them than it is already; they're already aware of the
problem and are doing everything they can at this point.

As an interesting aside, if one were to check directory assistance for
Minneapolis (612-555-1212), one might notice that there is in fact a
phone listing for both Ahmet Cosar and a certain S. Ardic.  THESE MAY
OR MAY NOT BE THE SAME TWO PEOPLE AS WE KNOW AND LOVE ON THE NET.
Don't around making harassing calls in the middle of the evening or
anything; I have no idea if these are the same folks.

It is also interesting to note that Ahmet Cosar appears to be a grad
student in the computer science department and, therefore, has a mail
account there (i.e. cosar@cs.umn.edu).
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
               just another elitist Usenet administrator
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: (Auto?)Canceller, stop it! (Re: Cancels)
Cc: exile@mediaone.freeside.com
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:06:44 GMT

In article <root.725486928@maui> kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb) writes:

>>Damn it, canceller, whoever you are, stop it.
>
>I think you have me to thank for that :-/  I complained to
>postmaster@anatolia.mn.org that the posts were inappropriate for
>news.admin.policy and he said that he would remove them.

Then why were they cancelled by exile@mediaone.freeside.com?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:46:36 EST
From:                     <EH9174A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: etiquette

The notorious files that are simultaneously posted in various soc.culture files
 every day and are from the same source rarely have well documented sources.  T
he documentation of sources is a requirement for posting and is listed as such
in etiquette in the help files.  This individual (most know him/her by now) sel
dom sites the sources of his avalanche of viewpoints (appearing over 10 or more
 times per day).  No human could possibly type so much!  Replies sent to this f
ile are always rejected (i.e. sent back).  All of the described are violations
of netnews etiquette.  Who is the etiquette expert and enforcer?  Or is there o
ne?
From: iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything you didn't want to know, but he replied anyway
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:44:09 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <C06782.IEC@ns1.nodak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic) write
s:

>(*) Serdar Argic(tm), sera@zuma.UUCP is a trademark of zuma UUCP brought to
>you courtesy of anatolia.mn.org an Minnesota (umn.edu) affiliate.

  Please, anatolia.mn.org is NOT sponsored by the University of Minnesota.
  The owner of the site is a student at the University, but we do NOT feed
  his site. The opinions voiced in the e-mail/news postings which originate
  from anatolia.mn.org are NOT necessarily those of the University of
  Minnesota proper.

>  Situation: Sudden urge to make obscene against-FCC-regulation calls to:
>    official phone of umn.edu representative:
>    >Ahmet Cosar, phone +1 612 672 9715.

  I may be wrong about this, but I have NOT heard of any official
  announcements from the University of Minnesota Board of Regents making
  Ahmet Cosar a representative of the University of Minnesota.



  Let me try to clarify the relationships between the UofMn, the .mn.org
  domain, anatolia.mn.org, and Ahmet Cosar.

  Ahmet Cosar is a graduate student at the CSci dept. of the  UofMn. He 
  operates a site by the name of anatolia.mn.org. The site anatolia.mn.org
  is a member of .mn.org. The domain .mn.org exists because it provides 
  services to a number of hobbyests and small companies around the state of
  Minnesota. 

  Historically (at least for the past 7 years) the CSci dept. has helped
  the members of the .mn.org domain by providing them with e-mail/news feeds
  to 1 or 2 of thier sites (.mn.org is organized in a tree-like hierarchy, 
  the CSci dept feed the uppermost node of the tree). These sites then go on
  to feed the rest of .mn.org. More recently some other depts. around campus
  are providing help to .mn.org. by feeding news to the uppermost node, and
  I think that 1(2) sites provide backup nameserver services.


--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Neophytos Iacovou                                
University of Minnesota                     email:  iacovou@cs.umn.edu 
Computer Science Department                         ...!rutgers!umn-cs!iacovou
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything you didn't want to know, but he replied anyway
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:19:10 GMT

In <1i4jcsINNaed@sprocket.csv.warwick.ac.uk> cudcv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon) writes:

>In article <iacovou.725924649@gurney> iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos
>Iacovou) writes: 
>>  Ahmet Cosar is a graduate student at the CSci dept. of the UofMn. He
>>  operates a site by the name of anatolia.mn.org. The site anatolia.mn.org is
>>  a member of .mn.org. The domain .mn.org exists because it provides services
>>  to a number of hobbyests and small companies around the state of Minnesota.

>Who does run mn.org, then ?  Who is above anatolia in the tree ?  Who can we
>appeal to to get anatolia cut off from this supply, since it appears that not
>only the users of this system, but also the the sys admin, cannot work out how
>to be good net.citizens ?  I can understand umn gettting upset about all the
>mail bombings, but if the sys admin at the site won't respond, what other
>recourse do we have.  *Someone* must be in a position to cut off the feed.

This is how the set up appears to be:

                               mail
        zuma ------ anatolia ------- mn.org
     n                  |
     e                  |
     w                  |
     s                uunet

The two paths are different:  anatolia PAYS for news via UUNET and
gets mail at lower cost via a local source.

The sysadmin(?) or mn.org did some posts late last week on the subject:
he has been trying to have a reasonable conversation with cosar, who
seems to be denying any wrongdoing.  The sysadmin of umn is also working
on this problem.

I don't know about you, but *I'm* not receiving anymore posts from
the crazed serdar/mutlu at my site...(at least not in this newsgroup).

-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce
From: cudcv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything you didn't want to know, but he replied anyway
Date: 2 Jan 1993 17:29:00 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: sprocket.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <iacovou.725924649@gurney> iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos
Iacovou) writes: 
>  Ahmet Cosar is a graduate student at the CSci dept. of the UofMn. He
>  operates a site by the name of anatolia.mn.org. The site anatolia.mn.org is
>  a member of .mn.org. The domain .mn.org exists because it provides services
>  to a number of hobbyests and small companies around the state of Minnesota.

Who does run mn.org, then ?  Who is above anatolia in the tree ?  Who can we
appeal to to get anatolia cut off from this supply, since it appears that not
only the users of this system, but also the the sys admin, cannot work out how
to be good net.citizens ?  I can understand umn gettting upset about all the
mail bombings, but if the sys admin at the site won't respond, what other
recourse do we have.  *Someone* must be in a position to cut off the feed.

Rob
-- 
UUCP:   ...!mcsun!uknet!warwick!cudcv	PHONE:  +44 203 523037
JANET:  cudcv@uk.ac.warwick             INET:   cudcv@warwick.ac.uk
Rob McMahon, Computing Services, Warwick University, Coventry CV4 7AL, England
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything you didn't want to know, but he replied anyway
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:43:46 GMT

In <1993Jan2.222814.28037@news2.cis.umn.edu> molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:

>kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb) writes:

>>The sysadmin(?) or mn.org did some posts late last week on the subject:
>>he has been trying to have a reasonable conversation with cosar, who
>>seems to be denying any wrongdoing.  The sysadmin of umn is also working
>>on this problem.

>I hate to be picky, but it needs to be said.  You've heard from two
>people at the University of Minnesota, myself and Danny Iacovou, who in
>no way represent the official opinions or policies of the University of
>Minnesota.  Neither of us could be classified as ``the sysadmin of
>umn'' (we have bazillions of system administrators in different
>departments around campus).  We're essentially just two interested
>by-standers.

The person I had in mind had an address that ended with mn.org, not
umn.edu.  I appreciate what you've been doing for mn.org, but I did
not think that you *were* mn.org.  

-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce

Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Hypocrisy, double standards and "Po Shan Cheah".
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:13:57 GMT

In article <85919@ut-emx.uucp> andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard) writes:
>pcheah@nyx.cs.du.edu (Po Shan Cheah) writes:
>
>>>As the recent spate of posts show, that garrulous piece of AI junk
>>>Serdar Argic is now crossposting to news.admin.policy, as well as
>>>about half a dozen other newsgroups. *sigh* Pure killfile fodder. 
>
>sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) replies:
>
>>Cannot contest the points, so sling mud at the person or make
>>disparaging personal remarks. You are so narrow-minded you could 
>>see through a keyhole with both eyes.
>
>You can't contest an avalanche, either.  That doesn't mean snow is true.
>
>(I like the keyhole comment, though.  It's actually kind of cute.)

It comes from the (Sun ?) fortune file.

Damon
-- 
Damon Hart-Davis                          Internet: dhd@exnet.co.uk, d@hd.org

Public-access UNIX (Suns), news and mail for UK#5 per month.  FIRST MONTH FREE.
[1.35] Cheap Sun eqpt.  UUCP news/mail feeds.  Tel/Fax: +44 81 755 0077.
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Canceling other people's postings
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:35:37 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<ByuG25.A5v@mtholyoke.edu> <1992Dec22.154522.10510@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<jim.725056037@pi-chan>
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:27:17 GMT

[Re: cancelling others' articles when damage is perceived]

To underscore a point:  Politeness, especially in the case of a
mistake, helps people understand your point of view.
(Flies...honey...vinegar. :)
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: A R G I C  allows itself  far too much
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:55:40 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <Bzn3u4.Lpp@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>I doubt this.  I have had "Turkey" in my Organization line for well
>over a week and seen no response whatsoever.  I will probably put it
>in my .signature next.

You are not trying hard enough. 

Watch:

(* Armenians Greeks 2.5 Millions Mutlu Arxid AT&T Chicago IL *)

Nothing happens.

but when I use the signatur-o-matic program, he'll respond...

              ___        _____________________________
             |  o\__    | Ne mutlu anti-Argic diyene? | Beef: Real Food 
}}            \  __/ ___| Ne mutlu anti-Mutlu diyene! |       for Real People
}}}    ____   / /    \          (Old Turkish Proverb) |
}}}}__/}}}}\_/ /      \_______________________________| Feathers: Real Clothes
}}/  }}}}}}    \                                               for real Chicken
  \   }}}}   }}/                                              
   \__ }}____}/        Spiros Triantafyllopoulos        
      \ /              c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com    
       |/_                                               
       '\               

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: jbuck@foucault.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: I've changed my mind about Serdar Argic.  Nuking him is appropriate.
Date: 24 Dec 1992 20:48:50 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: foucault.berkeley.edu
Summary: was Re: Where is your non-existent list of scholars, "Joe Buck"? Here is mine.

In article <1h8l38INN7f0@agate.berkeley.edu> dev.null (Joe Buck) writes:
>>I am curious what "Serdar Argic", the AI daemon dedicated to defending
>>the honor of the Turks against those evil Armenians, will do with this
>>article.

Hmm... it appears that there is a human in the loop after all, since
he succeeded in posting this message and moving my name from the signature
to the header.

In article <9212231951@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>For whatever reason, you do not seem to understand that you would be
>better off leaving certain topics alone, if you don't want things to
>blow up in your face. Besides, leave the criminal members of the
>ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle alone. They have been trashed
>long time ago.

By his own words, Serdar Argic confirms the accusations against him,
that his purpose in posting is not to express an opinion but to keep
others from expressing theirs ("... you would be better off leaving
certain topics alone ...").  Given this, I see no obligation on the
part of anyone on the net to permit him to harrass people into silence.

Just who are you, Mr. Argic, to say that I should leave some topics
alone?  And what, exactly, are you referring to when you warn of things
blowing up in my face?  Is this a threat?
--
Joe Buck	jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Still not addressing the original points made, "Karl_Kleinpaste".
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:56:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BzvzM5.HFr.2
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon Univ, Nectar Project

First and foremost, I wrote an article dealing quite specifically with
a news.admin.policy question.  It was written exclusively to n.a.p
with no redirected followup.  Yet the largely content-free response to
that note from Monsieur Argic managed to blossom into a posting to
	talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,
	soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,news.admin.policy
with followups aimed at soc.culture.turkish.  And the response still
had no relation whatever to my reason for posting.  Yet he purports to
take me to task for "not addressing...points made" -- the pot calls the
kettle black...when the kettle isn't made of iron in the first place.

I do declare, that's not cricket.

I wrote:
     >Anything said in response to SA (hm, interesting initials... :-) gets
     >a "you humiliate yourself" sort of response back from him.  He flames

sera@zuma.uucp writes in response:
     Where in the world did you dig up the above rhetoric?

Oh, I don't know, maybe in <9212242253@zuma.UUCP> where you wrote
	You have the right to terminate conversations with people who make
	you feel put down and humiliated
to someone who didn't earn any such appellation.  Or possibly we
should try
	Subject: "Rawlinson" utterly humiliates "Spiros
		 Triantafyllopoulos" of "delco"
in <9212242257@zuma.UUCP>.

     By the way, you are still not addressing the original
     points made.

Of course not, child, nor do I have any intention of doing so.  You
seem to think that I'm taking you seriously; that is a grave error on
your part.  Go away, son, you're beginning to bore me.

If you want to argue politics, stick to the talk.* newsgroups.  If you
want to talk about Usenet administration policy, keep your responses
on-topic and in n.a.p only; the two sets of newsgroups have no
intersection.  At the moment, I can't think of a single thing you've
said lately which has the slightest thing to do with n.a.p.

--karl,
designing a Penalty which is both efficient
and lacks any newsadmin access requirements
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: I am the only one Mutlu/Argic NEVER responds to
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:38:30 GMT

I have had the honor to have exposed this Mutlu-Argic and his anti-Armenian
rampage since late 1988! It seems I am the only one that he/she/it totally
ignores! I have never received a single response from the maniac! What I 
have received is an inference that I have participated in the murder of Turks,
and a public charge of being an international terrorist, requiring me to
send a registered letter to both the Turkish Embassy in Washinton and to the
Boston FBI, explaining the situation, and of course, denying any connection
with violence! I found this situation rather infortunate. 

I am totally shocked to see Argic's postings x-posted to this OF ALL GROUPS!
I have attempted to sample-refute his massively x-posted articles, but the
fool doesn't give up! I have also noticed that when he/she/it receives an
extra-special refutation from me, the response is a localized increase in the
number of postings with a widening in x-posting entries. 

As of late Mutlu/Argic has not x-posted to soc.culture.turkish -- his home 
newsgroup -- perhaps the end indeed near !!!

-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> | "We want to return to our homes, we 
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  don't want Kurdistan to be an Armenia." 
P.O. Box 382761                      |  -Iraqi Kurdish Leader Jalal Talabani
Cambridge, MA 02238                  |   April 24, 1991 
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Rules on auto-reply posting?
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:37:24 GMT

[This is actually just a message to try to see what "Sedar Argic" is.]

Random gibberish exploding in the faces of Armenians causes Nazis to post
with auto-reply software. Were I a Nazi, I would nuke all Azerbis with sugar
and a cherry on top, in line with my role as a whipped-cream using lying
revisionist. Tempting AIs into posting is a fruitbat-laden experiment which
an unsophisticated Ardic refuses despite offers of a night on a lily-strewn
beach. Rape and torture are commonplace when staplers gather beneath the
full moon to snort baleen through vile apostrophes. Acts of genocide and
total racial extermination soon follow if the leader does not pin the tail
on the Don Quixote. Windmills are elusive, but eliza knows all. YOW!
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,soc.culture.greek
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: A R G I C allows itself far too much
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:10:38 GMT

In <BzxMJI.LG4@mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:

>In article <1992Dec24.132250.12357@refrig.dixie.com> todd@refrig.dixie.com (Todd H.) writes:
>>pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>>>4. There is no mail link back to Argiq, so it gets nothing that it deserves.
>>
>>Just move down the path until you get a real system, and hit the postmaster
>>with your mail.                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>That would be "uunet".  The person behind the Argyc program is probably
>a paying customer of Uunet Corp., so there's nothing that can be done
>about it that way. Uunet /can't/ refuse service based on content...

But can it refuse service because a *human* isn't behind the posts?

-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce
From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
Subject: turkey fodder
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:47:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

turkeys
greek fire
Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: davidf@golem.waterloo.on.ca (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Re: Killfiles
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:19:19 GMT

According to henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer):
>The relevant line in mine reads:
>
>/Serdar Argic/h:j
>
>which kills all articles with his name anywhere in the header.  If you
>are really feeling unfriendly, change the "h" to "a" to kill all articles
>which even mention him (although this will take a bit longer at startup).

I just did that one better.  Since all hist postings follow the
path "...!anatolia.mn.org!zuma!serdar", I just informed my feed
to change my sys file entry to look like:

	golem/anatolia.mn.org:to.golem,\
		...

Now they won't even take up my disk space (and if Ed catches
on, he might pass the request upstream).

- David