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From: ellie@slumber.sybase.com (Ellen Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dog digs holes
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.214233.3301@ecst.csuchico.edu>, rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder) writes:
|>
|> * Another person suggested that indeed he might equate the existence of the
|> hole with punishment, but that he cannot equate the hole with anything he
|> did, i.e. he knows there is a hole, but not that he dug it.  I just can't
|> believe this.  I can't imagine that he can make the correlation that hole = 
|> punishment, but not remember where the hole came from.  Like he is just
|> innocently walking around the yard and encounters a hole and says "Gee a
|> hole, where did that come from?  Oh oh, I am going to be in trouble now."
|> This is hard for me to believe, but then again I am not a psychologist.
|> 

It is hard to believe, but I think it's true. Dogs are very sensitive, but
they aren't such good reasoners. The experience of digging, to a dog, is not
necessarily experienced as "digging a hole." It's just pushing dirt around.

Maybe one reason I can fall for this theory of dog psychology is because
I have a memory of a (similar?) experience from when I was about 3 years old. 
I "shampooed" one of the neighbor kid's hair with toothpaste. It was so fun!
It smelled good and was all creamy... It was probably only about ten minutes
later when our moms caught us, but by then we'd gone on to other games.
What I remember is my mom yelling at me and saying "Just LOOK at her hair!"
It really looked awful, but I couldn't understand what it had to do with me. All I
could do was cry. (And I did not like that little girl anymore after that.)

I guess I think dogs are more like kid humans than they are like adult humans.
(Probably another good reason why they are fun to be around, even tho they
are so much trouble!)

|>
|> Sorry this is so long-winded, but I felt the need to clarify since some people
|> were making comments that bordered on accusations of cruelty.  This dog is
|> spoiled, not abused.  No chance!
|> 
|> -Robin

To me you sound like an ideal pet owner: responsible, devoted, and 
compassionate! 

-ellie
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From: bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com (Michael Bradley)
Subject: Re: CHD ( Hip displaysia)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.171253.18484@ncsu.edu> N51LS801@NCSUVM.CC.NCSU.EDU (David Austin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.162252.25303@u.washington.edu>, martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin) writes:
>> 
>> The early assumptions on CHD were that it was simple recessive.
>> It soon became clear that this was false and it was assumed
>> to be multifactor ( carried by combinations of genes).
>> 
>> Estimates of heritability range from about 25% to about 50%. This
>> means that from 50% to 75% is environmental. The large environmental
>> component is a major problem in trying to use breeding to
>> eliminate CHD. Conjectures have included diet but I don't know
>> of any supporting data. I think that there is some evidence for the
>> following:
>> 
>> Keeping puppies underwieght reduces CHD. ( I cannot bring myself
>> to do this. )
>> 
>> Limiting activity during growth reduces CHD. ( Ditto)
>> [stuff deleted]
>> Don Martin
>> Widdershins Old English Sheepdogs
>> 
>Dr. Tony Buffington, a veterinary nutritionist at the OSU School of Veterinary Medicine, recommends
>not feeding puppy food past 6 months since his experience suggests that accelerating growth by feed-
>ing puppy food contributes to HD in susceptible dogs.  He says that there's no clear evidence to show
>that puppy food is beneficial past 3 months.
>
>David Austin, NCSU 
When we acquired our Kuvasz puppy at nine weeks the breeder had already
started her on adult food. Kuvasz have an historic high incidence of
CHD.
 Michael Bradley


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From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: Front Range heartworm outbreak
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:33:18 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> I contacted my veterinarian in Boulder, who told me that, according to
> the state parasitology lab in Ft. Collins, the incidence in Boulder
> remains "very low".  He also advised me that unless my dogs spend more
> than 12 hours a day outside in an area where mosquitoes are a problem,
> or travel to regions where heartworm disease is more common, the current
> risk doesn't justify putting them on a preventive medicine.
> -- 

I saw the article, and planned to get the medicine for my dogs...What did
your vet mean by "doesn't justify"? Is there a risk associated with the
preventive, or is it quite expensive? 
-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Mastiff rescue clubs?
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:59:29 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <MeYdxbq00WBKA4_1Uv@andrew.cmu.edu> lb2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lorraine
Blasik) writes:
>Can someone out there please post the telephone # for the club, I'm in
>the Pittsburgh, PA area.  I lost the original post.

Sure, Lori! It's Mastiff Club of America Rescue, Phyliss Miller, P.O. Box
1670, La Jolla CA 92037. Telephone # 619/454-8984
*****************************************************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs

--
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Subject: Re: Bloodhound wanted
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:25:40 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Version: Rodney's UUCP modules 02/11/90 V1.18


bloodhound rescues in your area:

debbie seitzinger 714-336-1733

stacy mattson 7114-858-0442

evelyn jones 714-946-4272

let me know what happens.

--
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: help with retriever problem
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:28:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.212606.25134@newshost.lanl.gov>
  srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
 
>>  ...my description of using a shock collar and
>>     video camera deleted to save space.....
 
>Is'nt this just a wee bit on the elaborate side?
 
Perhaps.  But I did see it work....
 
 
>I think all she has to do
>is (1) keep illegal items out of reach;
 
Possibly, but then again, the dog may just switch to chewing on
the sofa cushions.
 
 
>(2) provide lots of chew toys;
 
If she would chew on them, then great.
 
 
>(3) if the pooch is found chewing an illegal object, use the "GIVE!"
>command and force the dog to drop it, then praise and replace with a
>legal toy.  I don't dispute that your suggestion would work, it just
>seems expensive, elaborate, and un-necessary, unless the dog is
>particularly stubborn.
 
Recall that the problem pooch didn't chew on things when she was
home.  Kinda hard to give a command when you're not there.  For those
times where she was home to catch the dog, this would definately be
the preferred method.  Of course, she may not need to use a video
camera and rearrange her living room, borrowing a pair of binoculars
to look through the window *could* be just as effective.....
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 14 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: The Great Lab Debate
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:35:42 GMT

In article <17349nINNs01@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>
>>As far as obiediance, very little needs
>>to be said here; a dog that doesn't have superiour obiendaince simply
>>would be impossible to also be a good field worker.  Same goes for
>>temprament.
>
>I disagree with this, Chris.  I have known several dogs that were very
>obedient in the field, but put them in an obedience ring and ask them
>to heel and they would not.  I've even seen experienced trainers give
>up on making them heel.  It is one thing for a dog to do what comes
>naturally and quite another for the dog to do obedience.  Ever looked
>at obedience from a dog's perspective?  It looks pretty stupid once you
>are down on your for paws looking through doggie eyes.  

I disagree as well (well, I agree with Terry, disagree with Chris).
My working sled dogs are great "in the field."  They would undoubtedly
be summarily dismissed from the obediance ring. :-) 

[another good comment deleted]

>
>--
>Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
>Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University


-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: Request for show info/experiences
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:10:53 GMT

From article <2A92BDCD.11353@ics.uci.edu>, by tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore):
> In <16ud6tINNqh3@agate.berkeley.edu> jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (John Wilbrand Dahlgren) writes:
> 
>>I read the FAQ about showing dogs, but I still have a few
>>questions.
> 
> 
>>2)   In obedience trials are dogs competing against other breeds?
> 
> All AKC-registered and ILP registered dogs go into obedience.  But
> note that, except for OTCh, they are not directly competing against
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	      True in one way:  theoretically each dog who enters the
	      ring can get a leg.  Untrue in that dogs ARE competing
	      for placement in the class.  First place through fourth,
	      with trophies, etc.  There is also High in Trial, High
	      Combined, and a host of High (breed X) in Trial, etc.
	      So it's not QUITE as casual as it might sound, at least
	      for "serious" competitors.


> each other.  They are accumulating points, certain point levels will
> constitute a "win" (aka a "leg") and arbitrary numbers of dogs may win
> at a given obedience trial.
> 
>>     Is consideration given for dogs which tend to be harder
>>     to train?
> 
> No.  You will, however, impress people in the know.  A CD on a
> bloodhound, for example...

Again, true and not true.  Last year a friend of mine had a judge tell
her that her Border Collie's recall was "not fast enough" for the breed.
The same judge told me that my Newfoundland's recall was the fastest he'd 
ever seen for that breed, but I thought it was too slow!  So when the
judge "has a mental picture of the perfect performance," some of them are
obviously adjusting it for breed.  Although let's face it, the "perfect
performance" in most judge's eyes comes from a Golden Retriever!
> 
>>3)   Does anyone have information regarding the recent recognition
>>     of Shiba's by the AKC? Does this mean that they have their
>>     own category in dog shows? If my dog is registered in
>>     Japan can it also be registered by the AKC?
> 
According to the Gazette, any dog registered by the Japanese Kennel
Club is eligible for AKC registration.
-- 
   Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Providing for dog in case of death?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:29:14 GMT


>providing access to a bank account

Make sure that in your state you're not required to do this through
executing a power of attorney, which is *not* a sort of all-purpose will.
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mcnc!fns-nc1.fns.com!vib (Victor Bur)
Subject: DOG WITH CANCER
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:18:35 GMT



Sorry about multiple posting.
It was a computer hiccup.

Thank you.
Best regards.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mcnc!fns-nc1.fns.com!vib (Victor Bur)
Subject: DOG WITH CANCER
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:14:22 GMT

Hello, dog people.

I don't regularly follow this group, so I don't know if this topic has been
discussed before.  I would like to get your opinions/comments on the
situation I am it right now.

Recently my 7 years old Golden has been diagnosed with limpho-sarcoma.  The
prognosis is quite gloomy: 2-to-4 months without treatment, or 6-to-12 months
with chemotherapy treatment (provided that the dog reacts well to it).

Now I am facing a dilemma -- to treat or not to treat?

So far, I have chosen to go for a treatment, but I am still not convinced
that it was a right decision.  The bottom line question is : IS IT WORTH
IT?

I know that many people selected not to treat a dog, probably being through
the same set of arguments that I was.  Would quality of dog's life during/after
the treatment justify it?  The chemotherapy is really tough on my dog: after
the first session, he was non-stop vomiting and having diarrhea for five days;
he couldn't hold any food OR water at all, lost about 12 lb during this ordeal,
and eventually I had to take him back to the hospital facing body dehydration.

Does the dog need to go through all this so that my conscience is just
appeased by a thought that I've done everything possible for him?  Do we do it
for our dogs or for ourselves?  After all, the dog doesn't know that he is
dying...  Maybe, it is better to let him live happily as long as he can, and
then put him to sleep when time comes?  Chemotherapy will only (hopefully!) put
sarcoma into remission, but then it will resurface again, requiring another
chemotherapy with new stronger drugs, and slim chances for a another remission.
Meanwhile, the dog suffers through the "extended" life span.  Does he need it?
Would he choose this himself, given a chance?

Another aspect of it is that if other members of your family is not into
dogs, this whole situation is very stressful for the entire household.  The
only positive side of it is that I have now enough experience to open a
carpet cleaning business :-(.

I would like to hear from people who has been/are in a similar situation.
Please share your experience.  Is there anyone who at some point decided
against the treatment?  Are you comfortable with that decision now?

Any thoughts on the subject is greatly appreciated. 
Meanwhile, tomorrow I am taking my dog for the second treatment...

Thank you.
Best regards.


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From:  (Tim Ryan)
Subject: Re: dog digs holes
Organization: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
Distribution: (Tim Ryan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:40:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.153937.28963@ecst.csuchico.edu>, rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder) writes:
> > -Robin Writes:
> I am having a problem with my dog digging holes in my back yard.  He is 1 year
> old, and has done this in the past, infrequently.  However, several weeks ago
> he began digging more frequently.  When I come home from work and find a hole,
> I reprimand him as follows: drag him out to the hole by his collar, yell at
> him very loudly in as deep a voice as I can, "spank" him repeatedly, and push
> his nose into the hole and rub dirt on his face.  Maybe that sounds severe to
> some people, but from what I have read in books, and in this newsgroup, this
> is appropriate discipline.  After disciplining the dog, I send him "to bed" 
> and ignore him for a while, maybe a half hour.  Then I treat him normally.
> 
> The result of this has been that my dog definitely now knows it is wrong to
> dig holes.  I know he knows this, because if I come home from work on a day
> when he has not dug a hole, he comes out to greet me, wagging his tail.  If
> I come home on a day that he has dug a hole, he will not come out at all.  
> Instead I find him hiding, with his tail between his legs, looking very
> distraught.  He pees a little when he sees me, then cowers, as if waiting
> for his punishment.  I have been very consistent with his reprimands, thinking
> that eventually he will quit doing it.  But he hasn't.

Robin,
I know how you feel I had the same problem with my dog (German Shepard)
I could tell the second I got home if she had dug a hole in the back yard:
The First thing I did was what you did! Stick her nose in it!

That work for about a day! 
The next thing I did (I read in bookor mag somewhere) was to fill the 
hole with water and repeat the nose thing. That work for all most a month.
Then it started up again. So I dug the area up, about 6 inchs deep and put
down some chicken wire, and covered it up with dirt and rocks and a few
new plants!
The next day I went out to check it, she had tried to dig but couldn't get 
very far so she stopped. I guess she got bored and she hasn't dug a hole 
sense.

Good luck! 
Tim
Standard Disclaimer Applies

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From: tmason@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Mason)
Subject: Re: looking for new dog suggestions
Summary: Why people argue with Cris Barnes
Organization: NCR Corp, CCSD, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:35:29 GMT

In article <1683FC091.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu 
(Chris Barnes) writes:

  CTM>don't get a labrador retriever unless you plan to have it haul
  CTM>icy fishnets in from the ocean (yes, their original purpose for being
  CTM>bred),
>I would argue that WHAT the dog retrieves is irrelevant.  Duck hunting
>IS still fulfilling its purpose.

Well, then.  You agree that a lab who plays fetch in the back yard is
fulfilling his original purpose.

>I find it surprising that there is so much animosity against my position
>(that being: if a breed was developed for a purpose, it should serve
> that purpose).  Comments as to why that is ?

Just a few comments.

What do you mean by "original purpose."  Pre German shepherds were herding
dogs before the "founder" decided to make them an all-around working dog.
Wasn't he not using the GSD for its original purpose.  Things change.

I would argue that Goldens and Labs are being used as All-purpose house dogs.
They fetch.  They are trainable.  They probably won't eat your neighbors kids.
They don't roam as badly as other breeds.  Because they are also good 
hunting retrievers, they are also used for this purpose.  If the dog's skills
fit two different jobs, then why not use them for two different jobs?

If your worry is for the breeds losing their ability for their original 
purpose, I kinda agree with you, but there will always be some hunting lines
for these breeds.  So what if the hunting lab and the family dog
lab start to become two different breeds.  Maybe they should be.

Another comment:  for some dogs, the original work is no longer available.
Do many people hunt with deerhounds or wolfhounds?  What about terriers?
If work is no longer available, the dogs simply become pets, bred for their
looks.  Oh well, what other options are there?

I do think its cruel to thwart a dog's basic drives.  Keeping a hyperactive
Border Collie in a back yard with no job to do is irresponsible.  If the
dog is trained for obedience, agility, flyball, or some such activity that
can help it burn off some energy, then I say why not.
-- 
---------------------------
Tim Mason
Tim.Mason@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
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From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Request for show info/experiences
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:29:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.151053.21357@unislc.uucp>, abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck) 
writes:
>>>     Is consideration given for dogs which tend to be harder
>>>     to train?
>> 
>> No.  You will, however, impress people in the know.  A CD on a
>> bloodhound, for example...
>
>Again, true and not true.  Last year a friend of mine had a judge tell
>her that her Border Collie's recall was "not fast enough" for the breed.
>The same judge told me that my Newfoundland's recall was the fastest he'd 
>ever seen for that breed, but I thought it was too slow!  So when the
>judge "has a mental picture of the perfect performance," some of them are
>obviously adjusting it for breed.  Although let's face it, the "perfect
>performance" in most judge's eyes comes from a Golden Retriever!

I would report this judge to the AKC obedience field rep at the show
as well as to the show chairperson. You may not get anywhere with the
AKC but by letting the show chairperson know there is a problem you
may get them to think hard about ever inviting this judge to their
show again. And I would put this idiots name on my 'black list' of
judges to avoid. (this is for the comment on the BC, not on the newf) 

********************************************************
* jane jackson and murphy b. lab, Am/Can CD, CGC, TDI  *
* jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                            *
*                                                      *
* standard disclaimer applies...                       *
********************************************************
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: 2 dogs need new homes (half-Samoyed male; American Eskimo female)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:23:10 GMT
Distribution: na

In <19396@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:

>In article <1573@sousa.ltn.dec.com>, belanger_f@wmois.enet.dec.com (Fred Flintstone) writes:
[need to get rid of two dogs, fast]

>Fred --

>There is a simple, effective and cost effective way to keep your
>dogs.  Get them debarked.

>Sky Warrior (with Asbestos suit on)

Well, I'm not going to flame you.  But I am going to point out that
many debarking procedures heal up and the dog regains its barking
ability.  It depends on the ability of the vet that does it (and in
most cases, whether or not full recovery occurs, some "improvement" in
the barking tends to occur).  Just a data point to remember.

--Cindy
--
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