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From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:02:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan22.055528.4845@ncsu.edu> jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>when in a room filled with people in pain, do your best to be friendly, but
>above all try to be subtle, quiet and non-bubbly.  those who actually give
>a damn will look a lot more kindly upon you, and once the flames die down
>you might even find some answers around her, or at least some new questions.

Sorry :(  I'll try to keep the bubbles down.  I don't know about that subtle
thing though...when I combine it with your notion that I want to make people
cheerful it sounds like I'm gonna be manipulating people.  I don't want to
change anyone.  I just wanna be me and interact.  Gosh, everybody's so goal-
oriented.  I would think that angst is better for just like floating and
stuff.
>
>:)  (token smiley -- what the hell, I only live once)
>
No more smileys!  (Look!  I caught a clue!)

-Hermes
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 15:13:31 MST
From: <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>jo
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: tick.. tick.. tick..
 <C1F002.Kxr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

re: filing for divorce on valentines day

i did it to. but not on purpose. somehow, tho, it was fitting for him
to be served at V day, at the office, in front of all his drinking
buddies. he spent more time with them anyhow.

and it was final on tax day. what a kick

j.
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Soap operas are brain rot....anyone else agree??
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:32:08 GMT


 phughes@huey (HUGHES) writes:

>What is it that compells so many people to watch soap operas?? Who really  
>gives a shit if Biff Barf is screwing Buffy Boff, but says he's screwing  
>Betty Boop, who's really dying of a brain tumor, etc. etc. ????   Do  
>people really place themselves in these idiotic fantasies?  Are people's  
>lives so boring or devoid of romance that they have to ingest this  
>garbage??? 

ever hear the saying "one man's trash is another man's treasure"?
everyone has their own form of mind candy. some forms appear to have
more substance than others, but it's not my place to tell people what
they should or shouldn't like. 

>I'm no holy roller, but aren't there healthier, more productive ways to  
>spend one's free time than watching this trash? The only lesson that soap  
>operas seem to teach is whatever whim you might have, you should fulfill:  

since when has the purpose of entertainment been to teach proper
standards of behavior? and your rant here almost implies taht people
who watch soap operas will pick up all these undesirable (uin your
opinion) messages and act on them totally without volition. uh, right.

i don't watch television; my mind candy is either reading/posting to
the net or reading "toy" books: science fiction, mysteries, stuff like
that. not *everything* in life has to have some lofty purpose or deep
meaning. that would get really stressful after a while.

besides, how can you decide what's healthy for other people?

--
sine | deb
"i don't deny you're in good health but i do deny that i've found
wealth. you look a fool but who can tell? you don't look nothin like
yourself" -- ned's atomic dustbin
From: paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: stuff
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:30:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

In article <zlsiida.826@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>
>Fear of death my ass.  He's been screwed over by his family and exSO and it 
>hurts is all.  Just coz you read some psych texts doesn't mean everybody is 
>gonna fit the syndromes you've read about.

Actualy, I don't read much. :(  not non-fiction, anyway.
>
>>he doesn't think it think it, but he thinks it so he can't hear what he's
>>thinking, like that Freud stuff.  Anyway, the hole's just gonna get wider
>
>Freud was an almost total bozo.  Half his theories were developed to explain 
>why women claimed to have been abused when obviously that just doesn't 
>happen, except nowadays we know it does.
>
The world is full of bozos with interesting ideas.  

-Hermes

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From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: Re: the angst.cops ride again?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:46:00 GMT

In <1k43s6INNpdo@shelley.u.washington.edu> paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu 
(Hermes) writes:

>In article <86632@ut-emx.uucp> llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>>
>>speaking as nothing more than one of those poor depressed people, i
>>can say that i don't like being told to cheer up, mostly because i
>>don't think it would change my life all that much. 

>ok, I'd like to just clear something up.  In this post and another post, 
>this person sine, who I think is really cool btw, says that I want to 
>cheer everybody up.  But it's not like that.  I just meant "cheer up" as
>a supportive thing.  It was just my way of saying "I think you're cool" but
>now that I've gotten responses and stuff, I'll try to "I think you're cool"
>when that's what I mean instead of "cheer up!" which really works in other
>groups where happy isn't such a big issue.  so, sorry and I hope all this
>junk washes under the bridge!

ObGrammarClue:  "Cheer up" does not translate into "I think you're cool", under
any circumstances.  "Cheer up" is an order.  Many people do not like being 
ordered around by others, especially if the self-appointed martinet doesn't 
seem to have any redeeming qualities.

Any questions?

--
>---<

Tom Dennis                  | "Every normal man must be tempted at times to 
dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu  |    spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and
(217)384-2504               |      begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: 'pretty vacant'
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:30:43 EST
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

stained by memory of times gone,
	the remnants of the past 
return to haunt my tortured soul
	
sight becomes a curse, something       
i cannot escape

sorrow, pain, isolation
	 is this my lot in life?	

to be blind, to be content...why
am i cursed with this emptiness?

why must i always need something
more?
	
to experience pain is to realize 
that you are alive

to experience loss is to realize
that you are alive

god help me...is there no end to
this madness?

to reconcile myself with knowing
that peace can never be attained

to transcend the pain and sorrow

	      that is all i want
	      that is all i seek

that is all i could hope to find

Xref: sparky alt.angst:5581 alt.slack:3915 co.general:2718
From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.slack,co.general
Subject: Re: Anywhere out of the world
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:33:52 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan24.003238.4998@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic) writes:
>pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>
>>  * Our Museum of Natural History is really cool.  The first thing you
>>    see when you walk in the front door is a T. Rex skeleton looming over
>>    the entrance, posed in mid-pounce.  Right now, they have some IMMENSE
>>    Aztec stone carvings as part of a special show.
>
>Tis cool, but their politics SUCK. 

But who cares about the Aztec's politics?  True, they were a bit
repressive, but they've been out of power for 472 years now.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: etbeteille@happy.colorado.edu
Subject: What are the chances??
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:13:06 MDT

I don't believe in coincidences.
Here is what it says on the cover
of the book I am currently studying:

	fundament*A*l
         accounti*NG*
         principle*S*
          thirteen*T*h
          edition

The capitals are mine. They're just
to highlight the supposed coincidence.

etb
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Organization: OFSA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:29:54 GMT

kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) says:


>look, Steve, I think you also are unclear on the concept - if you have
>been reading talk.bizare for any amount of time (or understood what

about three years...is that enough? I don't post often though.

>A more serious, and appropriate suggestion, would have been
>a group like soc.singles.

So CRUCIFY me, for Chrissakes!!! I wasn't being serious!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAHahhhhhhaaaaHHHAAAahhhhhaaaaHAAHAHAHA.aaa....

*gasp*

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone...
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:14:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.164440.2640@bnr.ca>, bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.055528.4845@ncsu.edu> jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
> >:)  (token smiley -- what the hell, I only live once)
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I don't know which is preferable; that statement being
> true, or it being false.

It being true -- or would you rather prefer having to go
through this mess again and again and again...
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From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: right place?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 16:20:10 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com writes:

> 
> is this the place you write if your heart has been ripped out, put in a
> vise, squeezed dry & chopped into a million pieces?
> --
> Recycle yourself...be an organ donor  |  visualize whirrled peas....
>  :-o		     Internet: lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com


 Either here or alt.tasteless.

marlowe

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson)
Subject: So Much Shit, Life Is Just
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 06:28:45 GMT

I have two problem sets and an article do tomorrow...you couldn't tell anything
is wrong could you?  I'm very good about keeping a level head in these crisis
situations you know...


-- 
"For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain,
     and big words Bother me."
	-Winnie-the-Pooh
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: hair (was Re: qualities in men)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:46:38 GMT

dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers) writes:

>In <22JAN93.21341223.0242@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B7TR@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (B7TR000) writes:

>>>In article <Vy9BXB5w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>>>>RE: female bodily hair
>>>
>>>The only place I prefer not to see hair on a female is the upper lip.
>>>Armpit hair CAN be very sexy.
>>>I knew a french girl once who had a 1 hair wide mane all down her spine,
>>>absolutely irresistable.
>>>


>>No wonder, he's British! Europeans are swarthy and smell like SHIT!
>>As if the poor Brit slob has  a choice.  If all you saw all day long
>>was a bunch of nasty hairy wenches, you'd probably find dirt and funk
>>attractive too.  But that doesn't make it some sort of universal
>>aesthetic.  Fuckin' EuroMutts!


>>I'm not smelly and proud of it!


>I hope you're kidding.  If you are, you should try to develop some wit
>in your free time because you're not even remotely amusing, and if
>you're not, you're a prick. 

Besides which, hair has no odor that I'm aware of, so I don't quite see his
point.
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spark plugs, dials, and antennas, absorbed in the game.  But when the lid is 
removed, the connnection with the wacky robots is lost.  What is revealed is a 
simple wooden playing board with metal pegs--bereft of any state-of-the art 
Machine Age technology." 
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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson)
Subject: I Wish There Was a God
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 06:26:33 GMT

If there were a God, then he would just destroy everything now and get it over
with instead of dragging out this long and cruel joke--surely the joke would
have gotten old by now and God can only get so much entertainment value by
watching pathetic little humans trying to influence and order what goes on
in a universe that no matter how much we want to believe it, we simply can't
do shit to change anything and all that has to happen is a nice natural
disaster and we are putty in nature's hands to be molded into a cute little
mammal image and then smashed back into a blob; for either he (He) would have
to be impossibly cruel or just plain stupid.
-- 
"For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain,
     and big words Bother me."
	-Winnie-the-Pooh
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: the angst.cops ride again?
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:47:02 GMT


bleah. having survived a "her stuff isn't *real* angst" assault a
month or so ago, now i find myself on what feels like the opposite
side of a similar situation wrt the hermes situation.

only i don't think it's the same thing at all. the posts in question
weren't about anything more than cutesy exhortations for everyone to
cheer up and be happy, the sort of thing that some people delight in
posting here from time to time, either because they get a perverse joy
out of being snarled at or because they misguidedly think they can
somehow help all those poor depressed people feel better.

speaking as nothing more than one of those poor depressed people, i
can say that i don't like being told to cheer up, mostly because i
don't think it would change my life all that much. i mean, my life is
hardly a bleak landscape of gray trees and brown dirt. i do things
that bring me a great deal of joy. i have people i love, places i like
to hang out, things i enjoy doing. i also have what sometimes seems
like a disproportionate amount of shit in my life. i write about those
things, some of them very painful, because writing about them gives me
a way to look at them and get some perspective. posting the things i
write puts me in touch with other people who say "yeah! i know exactly
what you mean, i've felt that way before." and sometimes experiences
have left me feeling a little wiser than when i started, and sharing
the insight with people who seem interested in hearing about it makes
me feel vaguely worthwhile.

so if people wanna post silliness here, or stories about how amazingly
wonderful their lives are, or whatever, more power to them; i don't
mind. i'm not the angst.police and i refuse to decide who's expressing
realangst [tm]. just so long as people don't try to dictate how i
should deal with my life, they can say what they want. when they start
trying to tell me how to live, though, i'm going to tell them to get
fucked, more or less, because i prefer to figure out for myself how i
want to be living, thankyouverymuch.

--
deb | sine
"they're telling me questions and asking me lies" -- the replacements
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@martha.utcc.utk.edu (StMeechThePanatela)
Subject: Re: Books & MY New Year's
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:12:57 GMT

In article <21117@acorn.co.uk> abienek@acorn.co.uk (Alex Bienek) writes:
>
>Although we generally abhor routine I think it is vital to our
>survival. Without routine we become disorientated and confused,
>our bodies don't function well and we become unproductive.

On the contrary, with our relatively well-developed brains, we are
designed to deal with an unpredictable environment.  Routine makes
a brain lazy and unresponsive.  This brings to mind the recent 
discussion of places where there is nothing to do but work.

>So we build our routines, where we live, when we eat, when we sleep,
>where we work, when we work, and these routines in turn guide us
>through a productive (in terms of physical survival and reproduction)
>existence.

I think people only build routines when there is no choice.  A little routine
in things such as when one eats and sleeps is not bad.  This is certainly better
than having to worry about finding scarce game to fill our bellies. I agree with
that, but any other routine means stagnation.  Boredom, and drinking yourself
to liver disease does not benefit survival.

>Unfortunately once the routines have been established we find it very
>difficult to break out of them. If some external event causes our
>routine to be broken we may well feel an emotion such as grief or
>anger. This emotion does not help our basic survival instinct, in fact
>it can often hinder it by preventing us from forming new routines
>as quickly as we otherwise might.

As I said before, I believe grief does have an important purpose in
building solidarity among a group of people.  Even anger can be beneficial
(unless it culminates in a violent act that lands someone in jail), if,
for instance, the anger results in some sort of decisive behaviour in one's
life.

If someone comes into your house and starts killing your children, is 
not the emotional response inspired by this act, which might result in
your intervening to save your offspring, better than shrugging your 
shoulders, saying "Oh, well", and then waiting for your turn?

Emotions are very useful indeed.

The emotions you feel when you live in a Hellhole are designed to make
you feel bad so that you will move to some place better.  Etc.

						Meech

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: Re: hair (was Re: qualities in men)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:52:17 GMT

In <dsmither.727772041@cunews> dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers) writes:

>>Besides which, hair has no odor that I'm aware of, so I don't quite see his
>>point.

>Heck, no.  My understanding is that hair has to hit the outside
>bacteria sitting on our skin to accumulate any odor.  I don't think he
>really has a point, but the nasty wenches and euromutts bits kind of
>pushed my buttons and therefore deserved some flaming (unfortunately,
>I'm sort of a ready-flamer; I mean that quite unambiguously - i.e. I'm
>not also a gay male).

I'm also not homophobic; I read this over so see what I said, and I 
realized that "flamer" might not be a compliment - I'm not sure.  An
ex-boyfriend, who is gay (kinda bi, mostly gay), would refer to
himself as a "flamer", and he said those in his subculture would also
identify themselves that way. I'm just not entirely certain of the
implications of me saying that. I'm sure I could get away with
"studmuffin", but it doesn't really fit the sentence.  And I'm not a
"ready-studmuffin".  And it doesn't just apply to gay men so I don't
really know what I'm talking about.  And it doesn't really matter.

Diane


>dsmither@ccs.carleton.ca
>Soc/Anth Dept.
>Carleton Univ.
>Ottawa, Canada
From: jethro@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Mary Ellen Paul)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: I don't think I know you at all
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:44:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13
Summary: her boyfriend has multiple secret identities



ARE YOU NUTS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DUMP THE MYSTERY-MAN AT ONCE!!

HASN'T YOUR FATHER BEEN WARNING ENOUGH?!

--mary ellen the emphatic
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: horntho@eng.auburn.edu (Thomas J. Horn)
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue phone
Reply-To: horntho@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:02:55 GMT

In article 86603@ut-emx.uucp, llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
> on the off chance that the hermes/paleblue creature is for real and
> not just a random net idiot:

This is a pretty EXTREME off chance, wouldn't you say?
 
> [well-thought out attempt to inform a certain idiot about the nature of
>  this conference deleted]

> so along comes someone who's either an airhead or a clever imitation
> of one, giggling and chirping and spreading little sunshine smiles
> around everywhere, with an "ain't i cute?" attitude (complete with
> idiotic smileys). it's *damned* annoying -- i mean, if someone tells
> you his dog just got smooshed by a car, are you going to grab his
> hands and say "oh, goodie! let's go skip through the park and pick
> wildflowers! :)" that's verging on grounds for justifiable homicide.
> at the very least, it indicates a breathtaking lack of sensitivity. to
> persist in this behavior after being *told* it's annoying... sheesh.
> 
> so either you're a jerk who thinks you're being cute, or you're an
> insensitive clod, or you're terminally clueless. care to enlighten us?

Mark my vote down for the third option.  Hopefully the repeated flames directed
toward this person will cause (her/him/who the fuck cares) to think twice before
posting another stupid "life is grand" note in this particular area.  

> --
> sine | deb
> or better yet, don't enlighten us. about anything. ever.

---TJH
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: being sick
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:38:13 GMT


okay, so i somehow managed to survive 29 years without ever getting
the flu before. does that mean that when i finally do succumb, i have
to have it for the rest of my life?

i'm bitchy as hell, probably because the room spins when i move my
head too fast and i still feel somewhat as if large people with even
larger sticks have been beating on me. and for some reason, my
fingertips are going tingly and numb. all of this on top of a cough
that makes me sound like an asthmatic coal miner with end-stage
tuberculosis. or kermit during mating season, take your pick. this is
not good, to say the least.

the worst part is feeling stupid and like i have to do things because
i've been sick since sunday and five days is rather a long time to be
unwell. and besides, the fever finally broke (again) this morning, so
i'm not really sick anymore.

now if someone could just inform the rest of my body about this...

it's also made me kinda wistful about not being in a relationship
right now. it would be really cool to have someone to bring me juice
and rub my back and give me aspirin and help me sleep. even though
none of th emen i've ever been with have ever done stuff like that...

--
sine | deb
at least now you know why i'm not answering my mail.