HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Net.Death-threats
Keywords: violence, death-threats, tinylogs, immaturity
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:16:58 GMT
Organization: PsiLords of Takis Health Club and Massage Parlor
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In article [cut] NM156, snarflrd@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Am I the only one who is puzzled/amused by death threats that pop up on
the
>net whenever some people get frustrated at some net.occurrence?
>(KeyLime a couple of weeks ago, anonymous log-posting twit, etc...)

I doubt it.

>Is it just me, but do people act in-character/in-net whenever things are
>floating along well...
>Then they undergo a sudden regression to Junior High where saying, "Hey,
I'm 
>gonna beat you up for that." was an intellectual discourse...

Maybe in YOUR Junior High that was in intellectual discourse.  Speak for
yourself; my idea of an intellectual conversation in JHS usually had
something to do with assembly language, hexidecimal code, and how much
BASIC sucked rocks.

>Maybe i just don't understand why the intellectual/technological elite
of the
>world have to use (obviously vacuous) threats of violence to show people
that
>they're REALLY REALLY mad instead of just really mad.

Maybe it's because when someone severely f*cks over someone I consider a
friend to the extent that this nameless twink did, I *do* feel like
wandering out to find the guy and pummeling him for a while.  I've been
accused of being, I believe the exact phrasing was "intensely loyal to
his friends", and although this may color my reaction, I don't believe
I'm alone, either.

And don't be so sure they're vacuous, either.  We don't know where the
guy is.  Yet.

>ah, well... i have a long history of expecting too much from the
net.population

*smirk*  I imagine you're rarely disappointed.

>deep down traumahound.

	-- dt

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: NewDay
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:13:35 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <9210072342.AA02060@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:
>A lot of people have seen ads like this that invite builders and visited the
>MUCK in question, only to find out that the wizards didn't tell you everything
>in the ad... and voila, you find out that _you_ can't build, but friends of
>the wizards can.  NewDay doesn't work like that.  Although we may caution you
>to start slow and work your way up, we have not refused anyone the right to
>build what they like and have no intention of doing so.

Keylime, you won't let me _walk_ in your apartment building, never mind build
there.

'nuff said.
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the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Net.Death-threats (was Re: tinylogs)
Keywords: tinylogs, twinks, flame, penn, idiocy, death lynch, kill
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:00:25 GMT

A few months ago, this topic cropped up on rec.arts.comics.  The consensus 
seemed to be, in the end, that it was really only comic books, and just 
because Editor X screwed up your favorite book was no excuse for net.death. 
threats.   However, this is *totally* different.  As a few have already 
mentioned, the actions of the poster didn't just wreck their entertainment, 
they had severe impact on the REAL LIVES of the people in the posts.  It is 
an act that would be justification for lawsuit if done in any other medium, and
may be here too, if the perp weren't anonymous.  Threats of violence and 
torture, although not too nice (and carrying them out would be illegal), are 
quite understandable, and not a sign of schoolyard mentality.  I didn't read or
even scan the logs, but even a few words I caught as I continually pressed 'k' 
told me how damaging these posts could be to a person's real life.
     Dave Van Domelen, has has it up to *here* with anonymous attacks, RL and 
VR.
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From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: Net.Death-threats (was Re: tinylogs)
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Keywords: tinylogs, twinks, flame, penn, idiocy, death lynch, kill
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:26:50 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>A few months ago, this topic cropped up on rec.arts.comics.  The consensus 
>seemed to be, in the end, that it was really only comic books, and just 
>because Editor X screwed up your favorite book was no excuse for net.death. 
>threats.   However, this is *totally* different.

Yeah, *right*.

>  As a few have already 
>mentioned, the actions of the poster didn't just wreck their entertainment, 
>they had severe impact on the REAL LIVES of the people in the posts.  It is 
>an act that would be justification for lawsuit if done in any other medium, and
>may be here too, if the perp weren't anonymous. 

There's very little true anonymity on the Internet.  I suspect that the 
person's identity will be found out shortly, at which point any action that
the interested parties wish to bear will be brought against him.

Not that they'd win anything out of the deal.

> Threats of violence and 
>torture, although not too nice (and carrying them out would be illegal), are 
>quite understandable, and not a sign of schoolyard mentality. 

Oh, yes, threats of violence and torture are *very* adult and mature.  Someone
caused a bunch of words to appear on a bunch of screens, and so he should be
mutilated by vindictive mobs.  *right*.

> I didn't read or
>even scan the logs, but even a few words I caught as I continually pressed 'k' 
>told me how damaging these posts could be to a person's real life.

If anyone's real life is damaged because of these posts, then that person
should check into a mental hospital shortly after the trial of the poster.

>     Dave Van Domelen, has has it up to *here* with anonymous attacks, RL and 
>VR.
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: another plug for NewDay
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:51:33 GMT

In article <9210141015.AA04760@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:
>A lot of people have seen ads like this that invite builders and visited the
>MUCK in question, only to find out that the wizards didn't tell you everything
>in the ad... and voila, you find out that _you_ can't build, but friends of
>the wizards can.  NewDay doesn't work like that.  Although we may caution you
>to start slow and work your way up, we have not refused anyone the right to
>build what they like and have no intention of doing so.  If your area wouldn't
>fit in the main countryside, we can link it in as a "dream" world.

I'd like to see you justify my exclusion from the hotel on NewDay.

"Didn't tell you everything?"  Damn right.
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cathartic in its expression.  Huang is a sensitive this age of the world has
not seen."
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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Subject: Re: tinyspying
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:09:27 GMT

In article <92618@netnews.upenn.edu> lwl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.170020.9005@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
>  jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill) writes:
>
>>(Moonchilde on NC is an exception because he has an excellent reputation for
>>being trustworthy)
>
>Moonchilde and a large number of other MU* gods _do_ have rules which
>govern wizard behavior. On PernMUSH at least, these are strictly enforced.
>

	Yeah. If, for example, some wiz were to examine someone remotely
to see if their desc was X rated, and were further to quote that desc
to a buddy, in a public room full of puppets, to the vast amusement of
all, said wizard would be busted back to drudge like >that<! If not,
then surely said wizard would turn in her, uh, his or her, wiz bit
the next day in a fit of anguished remorse.

	Seriously. Wizzerds are not Knights of the Garter. They are, just
like the vast majority of other mudders, young folks playing a game.
Nothing special. The vast majority of wizards will, if you catch their
eye as potentially interesting to examine (or spy on, or whatever),
probably do just that if the spirit moves them to.

	If you don't want to be ex'd or spied on or whatever, don't catch
the attention of the wizzerds.

	Not that I have any real beefs with wizzes, btw. Most of them are
just fine most of the time, just like you and me. The point is that they're
just folks, NOT godlings. Take loud declarations of honour and purity
and responsibility with a grain of salt.

	Andrew


>Lydia Leong
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Tinylog posting
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:34:42 GMT

Well, that was one of the ruder ways to spam a newsreader.  Obviously it was 
put on for some kind of agenda to make someone look bad (else all the tinysex 
would have been omitted and the poster would have *used his/her own account* 
instead of using a guest acct).  If the person was really trying to be helpful 
and show how people MU*, they would have A: used their own acct as mentioned 
parenthetically, and B: given all the logs a common header so we could killfile
them.  Personally, I think the tinybastard should have his site cut off.
     Dave Van Domelen, righteously cheesed
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Subject: Re: tinyspying
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:09:33 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

In article <1992Oct12.131716.4615@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
> What about @sweep?  I mean, in the MU*s I play (TIM, Trek, BTech) anyone can 
> @sweep any room for listening objects, dark or not.  Of course, these are MUSEs
> and MUSHes, not MUCKs (what do they all stand for anyway?), but I see no real 
> reason a @sweep command couldn't be added to NewDay.  I always @sweep rooms 
> before engaging in any delicate conversations/actions.  But then, I'm a 
> paranoid Romulan....
>      Dave Van Domelen, Jhollan'trruh all

Try 'sweep' !  That's the equivalent to @sweep or clean on other MU*s!

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From: dwest@cwis.unomaha.edu (David West)
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK Pins Down Space Madness? : )
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:57:19 GMT

fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:

>dwest@cwis.unomaha.edu (David West) writes:

>>Come on, auzzie. If a person is going to do that, he
>>should at least post the EXACT quotes to the group of friends, then
>>maybe with some snyde commentary, but out and out lies is what breeds
>>mistrust and causes wars between MU*...

>Exact quotes...you mean like Logs?

Cute joke. Not funny.

I did get an explaination of what was going on. Niconian/Grod was
transmitting random cute snippits of things from Furry to Space Madness,
but he was doing so from a public area. He told me that he does not
transmit from private places.

I can handle this much better than what it looked like before, yet I'm
still concerned that things taken out of context are going to create an
atmosphere of falsehood, whoever and whatever and wherever the quotes
are going to/from.

Now, in reference to a person who is perpetuating, or attempting to at
least, the old rehashed conflict between the players of Space Madness
and the players of FurryMUCK, Joel Furr. Take what he posts with a lot
of grains of salt. He has his own agenda for his posts, which I won't
comment on being good or bad, but realize there is a bias from him
concerning the two mu* in question.


David West

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From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Subject: Re: another plug for NewDay
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:19:30 GMT

In <Bw4A9x.CpG@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:


>jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:

>>NewDay, a TinyMUCK running Doran's DaemonMUCK code at zeus.calpoly.edu 4201
>>(129.65.16.21 4201) invites all refugee TinyMUCK players in search of homes to
>>visit and perhaps stay a while!  With TimeTraveller going down for good on
>>Saturday, October 17, and FurryMUCK in what appears to be terminal implosion,
>>you'll all want someplace to flee to.  NewDay can be that MUCK for you!

>I'd like to stress that, additionally, NewDay is free of hostile dinos,
>pompous programmers, "Buchanan wannabes" (to quote a Furry), and most
>Space Madness players.

On the more or less unwarranted assumption that my confreres and I are being
referred to as "Buchanan wannabes", I should point out that the core SM users
tend towards strong civil rights beliefs.  As far as particular political
leanings, like in most things, it's fairly varied.

However, I cheerfully admit to being a hostile dino, a pompous programmer,
AND a Space Madness player.

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From: trsnyder@mcs.Drexel.edu (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:03:39 GMT
	<priss.719037692@glia> <1992Oct14.181234.21793@wixer.cactus.org>
	<pfritsch.719096319@skid.ps.uci.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci.

>>>>> In article <pfritsch.719096319@skid.ps.uci.edu>,
>>>>> pfritsch@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle) writes:

Paul> You (and others) seem to have missed the key issue. It isn't the
Paul> logger who posted these logs, so his logging of these episodes isn't
Paul> in question. Someone else illicitly took these logs from the loggers
Paul> account and posted them. That is what is quite probably illegal. It

Are you sure the account was "broken" into?  My guess would be that more
likely some logs had inappropriate file permissions, and were copied.  The
personality type that breaks into computer accounts isn't likely the one to
broadcast it over the net.

Fordan, god, Dragon's Den LPMud (129.25.7.111 2222, 3.0 non-compat)
From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: FurryMUCK Pins Down Space Madness? :)
Keywords: furry, random gang, etc
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:26:13 GMT
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?

In <kinomon.719254618@glia> kinomon@glia.biostr.washington.edu (WhiteFire) writes:

>In <1992Oct15.175903.23797@wixer.cactus.org> claire@wixer.cactus.org (Claire Benedikt) writes:
>> A lot of people don't understand the 'space madness' attitude. 

>> Including me, for the most part.  But let me give it a shot --

>> It isn't meant to be insulting when they say stuff like that.  I mean,
>> not seriously. They're being funny.  They're amusing each other.  It's
>> entertaining to cut people down:
>  ------------ -- --- ------ ----

>Excuse me? I would suggest serious counciling as a solution to this
>anti-social behavior. I certanly would not _encorage_ nor _excuse_ it.

Okay, we'll form a serious council.

Moral to this post: Stop dropping my name in your keywords line.

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From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: re: tinyspying
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:55:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: vtserf.9210122055.AA16954
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

The most frequent "Hey, you spied on me" scenario goes like this:

1. wizard logs in
2. wizard checks mail
3. wizard goes 'jee-zus' at all the requests for links and stuff
4. wizard sets self dark and goes around taking care of everything
5. wizard finishes up or is interrupted in the course of finishing up and
      starts talking to people without remembering to set self !d
6. wizard's disembodied voice speaks out of thin air to people who didn't see
      wizard arrive because he/she/it was still set dark
7. players instantly assume the wizard was there all along and eavesdropping
8. confusion ensues

Solution: have a "busy" or "unavailable" property available so wizards don't
set selves dark...

              NewDay: zeus.calpoly.edu 4201 or 129.65.16.21 4201
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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: another plug for NewDay
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:38:08 GMT

In article <Bw4A9x.CpG@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>
>I'd like to stress that, additionally, NewDay is free of hostile dinos,
>pompous programmers, "Buchanan wannabes" (to quote a Furry), and most
>Space Madness players.

Yeah, well too bad it's not free of you.

>-- 
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>adopted by a nice upper-middle class Protestant family, who introduced her to
>record producer Fred Zarr-- and the rest was history." -lafolle@ucscb.ucsc.edu

Francis
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Tinylog posting
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:44:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Organization: Real/Time Communications

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Well, that was one of the ruder ways to spam a newsreader.  Obviously it was 
>put on for some kind of agenda to make someone look bad (else all the tinysex 
>would have been omitted and the poster would have *used his/her own account* 
>instead of using a guest acct).  If the person was really trying to be helpful 
>and show how people MU*, they would have A: used their own acct as mentioned 
>parenthetically, and B: given all the logs a common header so we could killfile
>them.  Personally, I think the tinybastard should have his site cut off.
>     Dave Van Domelen, righteously cheesed

Enh, it wasn't so bad.  You might want to try reading the manual page for
your newsreader before posting your ignorance to the net, however; most
modern newsreaders allow one to kill by author or substring.

I thought the logs were fascinating and hilarious, except for the rather
boring ones where people just talked about other people.  Come *on*, doesn't
anyone have any *juicy* really *interesting* posts involving Claire?

Felix
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From: pfritsch@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Tiny logs ...
Keywords: tinylogs, twinks, flame, penn, idiocy
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:02:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: skid.pfritsch.719096319
Distribution: usa
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu

rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:

>Posting logs is not even close to 'illegal'.  It's immoral, perhaps, but there
>are no laws involving muds.

You (and others) seem to have missed the key issue. It isn't the
logger who posted these logs, so his logging of these episodes isn't
in question. Someone else illicitly took these logs from the loggers
account and posted them. That is what is quite probably illegal. It
would be similar to someone taking your diary from your home and
publishing it in the newspaper. You'd have various legal remedies at
your disposal. The fact that this was computer data should make no
difference.
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                        'The Stars are Right!'
From: patswift@netcom.com (Patrick Swift)
Subject: Re: Recent Tinymud Postings
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:42:23 GMT

In article <Bw4FGL.DzI@ais.org> jgm@ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>
>Cynthia A Buffum <cbuffum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> offers:
>
>>your parents raised a real bastard. ... when we *DO* find you, you will
>>pay you bastard. ... I hope you burn in your own personal hell for all of
>>eternity for what you did. ... I hope the hell you die screaming in agony. 
>
>>	Cyndi
>
>
>How would you like to have her as a neighbor, folks?

I'd love it.  Make it easier to give her a hug in appreciation and maybe try
to calm her down a bit.  Then again, I was one of the people involved, so
maybe I'm biased in her favor.  Nah... even if I wasn't involved, I'd still
wanna see the schmuck who did this in traction, too.

					* Patrick Swift *


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