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From: bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Selfish Gavaskar & Shastri
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:24:10 GMT

In article <93025.104030SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>if you feel that his attitude stank in that match, what would you have liked
>him to do in that game? go for sixes right from the beginning?

	Put in a real effort, that's all... Hey, i'm tired of this thread
let's just call it off ? 

	Related, but unrelated, I committed the blunder of jumping into
the middle of a feud (in my prev. posting) and the only way for me to
extricate myslef from this is to call for peace...this is my last posting
on this topic, just for the record.

Cheers
Bhaskar { Bearcats with the current longest winning streak 10-0 in the 
	  country !!!! }

>Stay cool,
>Spaceman Spiff
>
>Non illegitimati carborundum          Don't let the bastards get you down
From: kpw105@phys.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The best ever Test XIs
Followup-To: rec.sport.cricket
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:32:06 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.173314.1@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au>, ccrob@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
(Rob McMillan) wrote:
> 
> 
> Bill Ponsford
> Arthur Morris
> Don Bradman (vc)
> Greg Chappell
> Allan Border
> Keith Miller
> Richie Benaud (c)
> Ray Lindwall
> Don Tallon
> Bill O'Reilly
> Dennis Lillee
> 
> Harvey and Ian Chappell would also have been handy. If Chappelli was in the
> side, he'd be captain. As it is Benaud gets the nod because of his
> inventiveness.
> 
> Bowlers who could have been picked would be Thommo, Grimmett, CBT Turner.
> 
> Tallon, from what I have read, wins ahead of Grout and Marsh.
> 
> --
> Rob.

I remember reading a book some time ago where 12 people I think (writers
and players) were asked their Australian best ever XI, and the only three
players which were included in every side were Bradman, O'Reilly and Don
Tallon.  I had never even heard of Tallon prior to this.  What did he do
that was so good?  He'd have to be pretty good to out do Marsh, Grout and
Oldfield, but his record doesn't appear particularly amazing.

Bill O'Reilly was one of the people asked, but he was told to pick 10
players plus himself.  I think Bradman picked a team aswell, which included
both the Chappells.  Not 100% sure of this though.

My team is:

Simpson
Trumper
Bradman
Harvey
Chappell
Border
Miller
Marsh
O'Reilly
Lillee
Spofforth

Reasons:  Spofforth and Trumper can't be ignored despite the difficulties
in including players from so long ago, they are still considered by some
people as the best ever at their respective arts.  Simpson is a bit of a
toss up, but he has a marvellous record, can bowl well, is probably
Australia's best ever slips fieldsman, and look at his performance against
India when he came out of a 10 year retirement!  The other four batsmen are
simply the best performed four batsmen Australia has had.  Miller is the
best allrounder, but really gets picked on bowling alone.  Marsh I picked
over the other keepers because of his superior record.  O'Reilly, as
Australia's greatest spinner, and Lillee, as Australia's greates fast
bowler, pick themselves.
Another Spin bowler would be nice (Benaud?), or another fast man since
Simpson can bowl spin (Thomson, Lindwall?), but another bowler would mean
Border has to be dropped.  With four front line bowlers of the calibre of
Miller, Lillee, O'Reilly and Spofforth, I'm sure Chappell and Simpson would
not be needed to bowl very much anyway.

ken

p.s.  I forgot to include Steve Waugh.   :-)
From: ash@spacsun.rice.edu (ABBAS HASAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: AKRAM CAPTAIN OF PAKISTAN.
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:07:49 GMT
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Organization: rice univ.

Great!
Great!
Great!
What took them so long to make the decision? Javed was never a good
captain.
He (Javed) lacks maturity and patience (remember the incident in this world
cup when he was jumping like a frog trying to imitate the indian keeper?).

As for people who say that perhaps one of the other senior players should
have been made captain, I have this to say: 

                        Malik: Good player but his place in the team is 
                               not very certain.

                        Rameez: You gotta be kidding!

 Apart from these two,there are really not any other serious contenders for
the job of captain.

I am not very sure about Waqar being appointed vice captain but let us give
him a fair chance. 

I just hope the responsibility on their collective shoulders does not in
any way impair the performance of the two best bowlers in the world (will
the Curtly Ambrose fan accept the facts!). These two bowlers not only bowl
well individually but also complement each other perfectly (left arm,right
arm etc.) and I hope that their new roles will help them have a better
understanding.

AKRAM AS CAPTAIN!
I LOVE IT!

ABBAS
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: A Question?
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:13:29 GMT
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In article <25JAN199322573546@vill.edu> 000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
>> In article I asked  000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
>
>So in all Five 'G' with five contrasting centuries.
>
>Now ok here is another question for all of you cricket pundits:
>
>Who is the only batsman from Asia; rather the subcontinent to have
>scored a century before lunch on the very first day of a test match.
>And no it is not Farook Engineer 8)
>
>keep your answers coming

Here's my guess. Majid Khan.
>
>bye
>~sandeep
>
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From: vasa@columbia.Central.Sun.COM (Vasanthan S. Dasan)
Subject: Re: Indian team
Reply-To: vasa@columbia.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc, Colorado Springs, CO 80919, USA.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:24:02 GMT


   An infectious viral fever and a mystery wicket threaten to ruin
England's chances in Friday's first Test against India at the Eden
Gardens.  With four key players, including 100th Test aspirant and
skipper Graham Gooch, recovering from viral fever, England are
struggling to field 11 fit men for the match.rely on who would be fit
to take the field.

   The only thing Fletcher was certain of was that England would play
two specialist spinners besides using the occassional off-spin of
Graeme Hick on a wicket that is already cracking at e last three days,
and was unlikely to pass the opportunity of completing a century of
test appearances.  For the first time in India, a Test match will be
played over six hours instead of five-and-a-half hours, which has
forced the organisers to start the game at 9.15 am local time.

   India: Mohammad Azharuddin (captain), Navjot Sidhu, Woorkeri Raman,
Manoj Prabhakar, Vinod Kambli, Sachin Tendulkar, Praveen Amre, Kapil
Dev, Kiran More (wicket-keeper), Anil Kumble, Venkatapathy Raju and
Rajesh Chouhan

    England: Graham Gooch (captain), Alec Stewart (wicket-keeper),
Mike Atherton, Robin Smith, Mike Gatting, Graeme Hick, Neil
Fairbrother, Chris Lewis, Devon Malcolm, Paul Jarvis, Phil Tufnell,
Ian Salisbury and John Emburey

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From: rohanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Koduvayur Kri Chandran)
Subject: Indian radio broadcasts...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:06:15 GMT

I got hold of the following list of frequencies which can supposedly be heard
in the US (Arizona was quoted as having excellent reception of the Delhi
station). I don't know if any of these will carry the cricket, but I figured
people may just want to try them out...


============================================================================
khz             Kw              Location        Times
============================================================================

6045            100             Delhi      0030-0040, 0125-0130, 0228-0259
6045            250             Aligarh    1330-1405
6115            100             Madras     1330-1730
6115            100             Delhi      1330-1345
7412            250             Aligarh    1445-1730
9535            100             Madras     0125-0400
9610            100             Delhi      0800--0940
9675            100             Delhi      0820-0830
11770           250             Aligarh    1130-1200, 1220-1310
11770           100             Delhi      1220-1315
11830           250             Aligarh    0130-0225, 0228-0251 ( News )
11830           100             Bombay     0830-0940
11850           100             Delhi      0830-0940
11910           250             Delhi      0350-0404
15125           100             Madras     0830-1100
15185           250             Aligarh    0130-0251
15275           250             Aligarh    1220-1245
17387           250             Aligarh    1220-1245


Cheers,

Rohan

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From: rsp@ukc.ac.uk (R.S.Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: England team prediction . . .
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:22:04 GMT
Reply-To: rsp@ukc.ac.uk (R.S.Pickett)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1993Jan22.150206.9303@lut.ac.uk> eldip@lut.ac.uk (DI Patel) writes:
>Here is my prediction for the 11 who might be selected for the 1st test
>in culcatta 
>
>Gooch
>Atherton
>Smith
>Gatting
>Stewart
>Hick
>Lewis
>DeFreitas
>Salisbury / Jarvis
>Malcolm
>Tuffnell
>
>Paul Taylor (12th Man)
>
>If Malcolm is seen as ineffective, then in the subsequent tests he will be 
>replaced by Taylor.  I also feel Salisbury will be chosen ahead of Emburey if
>they decide to play 2 spinners.  Jarvis unfortunately will be chosen only if
>an extra pace bowler is played.
>
>In the batting they pick themselves.  Fairbrother will probably be considered
>as an alternative tto Hick.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Cheers . . .

I agree with your team except that I think they will (and should) play
Jarvis instead of Malcolm as he has bowled well so far on tour and on slow
pitches Malcolm tends to be rather ineffective. I also think they will
play Salisbury as the second spinner. However, after the Indian batsmen
have looked so effective against spin I'm not as sure about this as I was
a week ago. I agree that Taylor will be twelfth man.
I heard that the tests will start at the same time as the ODI's did. Is this
true? I do hope not because the matches could become a bit of a lottery
depending on who wins the toss. With only three matches being played this
may not even out over the series. Surely it would be better to start an
hour later or does it get dark early in India? There's nothing worse
than a test match where the side batting first has virtually lost the
match by the end of the first morning because of the conditions. 



Rob.
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From: rohanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Koduvayur Kri Chandran)
Subject: Re: Indian team
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:54:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.152402.6995@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> vasa@columbia.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>   India: Mohammad Azharuddin (captain), Navjot Sidhu, Woorkeri Raman,
>Manoj Prabhakar, Vinod Kambli, Sachin Tendulkar, Praveen Amre, Kapil
>Dev, Kiran More (wicket-keeper), Anil Kumble, Venkatapathy Raju and
>Rajesh Chouhan
>

Hmmmm. I keep rereading the list, and no matter what I do, I can't see the
name Srinath! What on earth are the selectors up to now? Especially after his
performance in the last test against SA how could they exclude him. I suppose
it means that they will go with 3 spinners. That leaves either SIdhu or Raman
to carry the drinks. I would hope Raman played, but I fear he is more likely
to be doing the 12th man's duties. It means Prabhakar will get to open - good
luck to him. And good luck to the two debutants - Kambli and Chauhan.


>    England: Graham Gooch (captain), Alec Stewart (wicket-keeper),
>Mike Atherton, Robin Smith, Mike Gatting, Graeme Hick, Neil
>Fairbrother, Chris Lewis, Devon Malcolm, Paul Jarvis, Phil Tufnell,
>Ian Salisbury and John Emburey

Looks like we'll have an English team with two spinners! It's got to be
Emburey and Fairbrother sitting this one out from the above squad. They're
going to miss Defreitas though. 

Could be an interesting game - I hope to see the spinners bowl India to
victory. And perhaps Azhar could pblige his fans by striking a rich vein of
form....

Rohan

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Manchester United Football Club		*  INDIA - winners of nothing in
_______________________________		*          recent cricket history.
Leading the way in the nineties		*
1990 F.A.Cup				*   ODIs - Eng 1  India 1  
1991 Cup Winners Cup			*  TESTs - Eng 0  India 0
1993 League Champions ???		*
1993 F.A. Cup ???                       *  KAPIL DEV - 412 / 4952
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From: rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: Aus-WI 4th test, 4th day, after lunch
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:12:35 GMT

First ball after lunch. Ambrose bowling to Steve Waugh straight catch to
Arthurton.  Ambrose got steve waugh for sixth time in the series.

4/64 - 186  seems millions of miles away.

rakesh
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From: ckhan@bbn.com (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: A Question?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:17:19 GMT
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In article <22JAN199321452412@vill.edu>, 000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
|> Hia!
|> 
|> If you all muat have remembered Gavaskar fulfilled his dreams
|> of scoring a century at Lords during the Bi-centinnial game held
|> there about 5 years ago; that too in his last first class match.
|> Now my question is
|> 
|> 	Who were the other batsmen who scored centuries in that 
|> match.  That there is something common about them is another
|> point.

Gatting and Greenidge.  Common?  All last names begin with 'G'?


|> ~sandeep

Chico.

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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: England-India ODI - England 198/6 off 50 overs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:28:47 GMT

In the 2nd ODI between England and India at Chandigarh, Azharuddin won the 
toss and put England in to bat. England at one stage were 49/4 (they lost
Gooch, Stewart, Gatting, and Fairbrother), but Smith (42) and Hick (56)
staged a recovery, adding 83 for the 5th wicket. 

Of the first four wickets, Srinath took 2 (1 with his first ball), Kapil 1 
and Raju 1. 

England finished at 198/6 off 50 overs. That sounds like an eminently 
"gettable" total, unless the Indian batting lives up to its recent
reputation.
From: zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan Capt.
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:41:01 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

In article <1993Jan27.173513.29835@hubcap.clemson.edu> awaheed@hubcap.UUCP (Aamir Waheed) writes:
>By the way Majid is not a member of the selection comt. Javed Burki is.
>
>
>                                           Aamir Waheed 


Please be sure before making statements like these.

Recently Majid Khan has been appointed as the Chairman of the Selection
Committee.

Zia Zafir
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From: sidiyus@courtney.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: WI-Australia , further after lunch
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:38:42 GMT


	Bit of a collapse by Australia. After the first ball after lunch  
dismissal of Steve Waugh, Bord3er was dismissed  for 1, and Healy for a  
duck to Walsh. 
*** Stop Press *** Ambrose jsut got Merv LBW !!!!

	Its all happening here folks, at Adelaide. Aus 74/7 !!!!!

			Sadiq [ on IRC ] Yusuf
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: "Hands-off Guys...!"    An Indian Warning
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:04:29 GMT

India warns England and Australia

	CHANDIGARH, India, Jan 21 (AFP) -  India have warned
England  and Australia  against using their veto powers when
the venue of the 1995 World Cup cricket is decided in London
on February 2.

	India, whose joint  bid with Pakistan and  Sri Lanka
is rivalled  by a sole  offer from  England to  host the cup,
are  worried the  two founding members of the  International
Cricket Conference (ICC) will veto the sub-continent's bid.

	Inderjit  Singh Bindra, joint  convenor  of the  sub-
continent's cup committee,  said Thursday  that the ICC  had
written to him  that England and  Australia are "not willing
to forego the veto powers on the World Cup bid issue."

	"But if we win  the bid and then  are vetoed, then I
can assure you England  cannot hold the  World Cup  either,"
Bindra told AFP during the second one-day  international bet-
ween India and England here.

	The venues  of the  previous  two  Cups -- India and
Pakistan in 1987 and  Australia and  New Zealand  in 1991 --
were decided by simple majority, and Bindra  wants the proce-
dure followed again.

	"We  are assured  of 25 of the  37 votes  at the  up-
coming meeting," he said, but  declined to reveal which coun-
tries will support the sub-continent's bid.

	According  to  the  ICC constitution, the  nine test
playing nations - India, Pakistan,  Sri Lanka,  South Africa,
England, Australia, New Zealand, West Indies  and Zimbabwe -
have two votes each. The 19 associate members have one each.

	Zimbabwe, who became a test playing nation last year
on India's  recommendation, have publicly supported the sub-
continent's bid. But West Indies, Australia  and New Zealand
said they will support England, who hosted the  first  three
cups in 1975, 1979 and 1983.

	Bindra, who  will  accompany  Indian  cricket  board
chief Madhavrao Scindia and  joint convenor Jagmohan Dalmiya
for the London meeting, added the  sub-continent's  bid  was
better than England's.

	"Our  bid is  to the  tune  of  five  million pounds,
while England's is around  4.85 million pounds.  We are safe
in that respect," he said.

Thanks: Agence France Presse

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Vicky:
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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Selfish Gavaskar & Shastri - NOT!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:54:30 GMT

In <C1CD2D.JEu@acsu.buffalo.edu> skumar@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shivesh Kumar) writes:


>improvisation which IS expected from ANY specialist batsman at any moment of a
>match. Same thing with Ravi Shastri, these two players are/were more concerned
>with remaining 'not outs' and improving their statistic no matter if it costs 
>a match for the country.If you just hang around the crease simply waiting for 
>a loose ball to score on ,that doesn't make any sense.

	Pshaw! How do you explain the several occasions when Gavaskar has
got out in the 80s and 90s trying to force the pace? Or the occasions when
he started the innings with a blaze of strokes, and got out in the twenties
or so? Or was he selfish just *some* of the time, and a team-man in the 
rest? As far as Gavaskar is concerned, you can just point to that one
innings of 36 n.o. in *1975*, when Indians didn't know what ODIs meant. And
in Shastri's case, you conveniently forget the stellar role he played 
*as a batsman* in the 1985 WSC and other occasions. Forget it man, find
something better to do....


>I certainly feel that Vengsarkar & Vishwanath was a better batsman than 
>Gavaskar though statistics says otherwise.Had Gavaskar got the treatment like 
>what Jimmy Amarnath used to get(out & in) he wouldn't have stood anywhere near
>him too.Selectors used to carry on with him even when he used to be out of form
>just because we've always had problems finding openers rather than middle order
>order batsman.If Vishy,Vengy or Jimmy were given to play continuously so many 
>matches as Gavaskar I'm sure they would have landed ahead of Gavaskar or 
>atleast not that behind as stats would show right now.

	I don't care if they would have ended up with more runs than
Gavaskar. IMHHHHHHHHO, Gavaskar had more class, better technique, and
greater concentration and dedication than Amarnath and Vengy. I won't 
rake up the Vishy vs. Sunny argument again :-) If IYHO the three were 
better batsmen than Gavaskar, fine - I will only sit back and smirk :-)

>-Shivesh


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From: rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: Aus-Wi 4th Test, 4th day, After lunch
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:35:16 GMT

Aus in second inning chasing 186 are 6/73

after lunch

S Waugh c Arthurton b Ambrose 4
Border c Haynes b Ambrose 1 (nasty rising ball border gloved it) 
Healy b Walsh 0 (big pair)

One brave survivor Langer n.o. 25

Ambrose 11 -3-11-3

I feel like laughing at some of the headlines of morning paper which
says "spineless windies" for getting bowled out for 146.  They thought
it will be a cakewalk for australia.  

just now 

Merv Hughes lbw Ambrose 0

Aus  7/74

Big man 4/11  (10 wkt in the match for Ambrose)

rakesh

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