From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Subject: Re: Loo seats (was: Re: hate and anger)
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 16:16:13 GMT

In <2AF9F8DE.22416@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

>In article <6679@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
>>
>>This has always puzzled me. Women always get upset at men leaving the
>>bog seat up. Why? It's not difficult to move it.. I have heard many,
>>many women complain about this as if putting the seat down was some
>>kind of rule all us men forget. I do not recall ever hearing a man
>>complain about women leaving the seat *down* though.

>Chris, imagine this.  It is now 2:00am, and you have just been awakened
>by massive hydraulic pressure from a nice sound sleep.  You get up
>(quietly so as not to awaken to sleeping body next to you), and stagger
>your sorry, bleary-eyed ass to the bathroom.  Down go the drawers, if
>you wear `em to bed, and you plunk yourself down in the full expectation
>of having a little plastic oval stop your downward motion before your
>ass hits cold water with a serious splash and your feet jerk out from
>under you in shock.  

Try this story again from the male perspective. Awakened by hydraulic
pressure, you rush to the bathroom and stand bleary-eyed before the
toilet, only to find that you've peed all over the toilet seat. After
getting that mess cleaned up, it's a bit harder to get back to sleep.

>You rush into the bathroom, haul up your skirt, haul down your drawers,
>plunk your ass down, and have to change clothing because the seat was
>left up and you soaked the back of your skirt.

And whose fault is this? Certainly not the person who left the seat
up. I don't think I've ever been in such a hurry that I didn't take
time to be sure that I didn't pee on a lowered toilet seat. If I did
such a thing, it is my own fault, not the person who left the seat
down.

>You lift it, you put it back.  Men use it with the seat down half of the
>time, women all of the time.  Hence, for 75% of the time, the seat has
>to be down.  

Well, if I actually did use the toilet with the seat down half the
time, this might work. Realistically, I use it with the seat down once
per day, on average, and four or five times with the seat up. Hence,
for slightly over 50% of the time, the seat has to be down. I still
fail to see, however, why men should be responsible for women who
don't look before sitting.

>Put it down, Chris.  Especially when you are in HER
>apartment, where she has no reason to expect it's being UP. 

Now this is absolutely good advice. It is something that I do as
well when sharing living quarters with a woman. In the second case,
though, I put the seat down to be nice - not because of some misplaced
idea about what I ought to be doing to protect my roommate from
herself.

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