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From: neierka@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kent A. Neier)
Subject: Re: How does the tie result change ND and Michigan ranking?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:36:21 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.161840.20067@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> wakankar@egr.msu.edu  
(PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
> In article <BILLMS.92Sep14111953@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu  
(William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> >   How do you guys think the ranking ND and Michigan after tie result?
> >
> >   My predication is  ND ==> 4 and Michigan ==> 5 . What do you think?
> >
> I heard it on the radio yesterday. Michigan drops to 6 and ND to 7.
> 
> I think top 5 are
> 	1. Miami
> 	2. Washington
> 	3. Florida state
> 	4. Florida
> 	5. Texas A & M
> 
> 
> 	I think this is about right. ND tied at South bend. Any comments
>
> 	Parag

A couple of questions to AP/CNN/USAToday/YourFavoritePoll:

First:  Where would the Irish have ended up if instead of dying on the ball
to end the game, they drove the field, and Hentrich kicked a field goal to
tie the score (assuming the Irish are down three at the time)?
Are polls really that up-to-the-minute so as to rate the teams on just their
last possessions?

Second:  If UM had beaten ND, how would the rankings have been different.
I would think that UM would be number 3 or 4, and ND seventh.

Comments?

Kent
neierka@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
neierka@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: Net Trash on Gators, Canes, and PSU
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:08:56 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <BuLAMw.JBn@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:

| If ND gets a player arrested for drinking this whole net lights up.  Florida
| get a player arrested for a shooting, and it's over looked on the net.
| There is more than a double standard on r.s.f.c.   If Henry McMillain played
| for ND/Miami/PSU, this net wouldn't have the bandwidth on r.s.f.c.
| 

Awwww, poor baby....let's have a pity party for the Canes.

(Such a silly thread, sorry I followed up)

Joe Sosa

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Subject: UW vs. UW (was Re: Pac-10 Preview)
Summary: prediction
Reply-To: pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com (Tom Pagel)
Organization: NCR/ShareBase Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:43:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.190315.26022@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>    I think the Badgers will keep the spread under 4 TDs, 35-13.

might as well throw out another prediction:  28-7.

tom		pagel@cheesehead.sharebase.com
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: A college player's thoughts on a stipend...
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:43:54 GMT

In article 67715@hydra.gatech.EDU, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>|mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick) wrote:
>|}
>|}                                         ... a standard monthly stipend seems
>|}eminently reasonable. The only potential problem lies in the fact that the vast
>|}majority of athletic departments operate in the red.
>|
>|The red ink for college athletics is purely contrived.  In order to be a member
>|of Division I-A, you have to support a very large number of minor sports.
>|Cutting one or two of these would easily free up enough funds to give the
>|players a stipend.
>|
>|-- 
>|Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>| "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
>|    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."


NOT TRUE!  According Sen. Tom McMillen's book on the NCAA, 89% (that's the number I
remember) of the Division I-A football programs operate in the red.  This does NOT
include any expenditure for non-revenue sports.  In addition, I know for a fact
that non-revenue sports at Georgia Tech fund raise like the dickens to support themselves.  The baseball team sells space on the outfield wall, the volleyball team gets sponsorship from local businesses, the softball team also has billboards on the outfield wall, and the golf team gets a lot of support from alums because so many alums are golfers, but they all have to pull their own weight when it comes to funding.  In addition, there are a minimum number of sports teams a school must field in order to be 


considered a Division I-A school.  Most schools are at that limit right now.  

Maybe they should get rid of some of the extraneous staff and hangers on from the football program to fund a stipend..... Naaah, it'll never happen.  Taking the 95 man squad and cutting that down to say 80 may help also, but is also a pipe dream.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Nebraska WOOFings!!??
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:43:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.201016.9498@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
>--
>behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>
>>I have detected some WOOFings from Nebraska fans about how the BIG RED is 
>>gonna come to Seattle and just beat the Huskies!!  :)
>>
>
>Are you reading posts that I have not read? I recall myself and some others
>who have predicted that HuskERS will give the HuskIES a tough game. But I do
>not recall anyone saying anything like "the BIG RED is gonna come to Seattle 
>and just beat the Huskies!!".

Well, from what I've read on the net so far, Nebraska fans are very confident
of their team.  I am not saying that they are not.  UW vs. Nebraska is going
to be a hellova game and I am going to be there to see it first-hand.

>I know you put a smiley behind that but the smiley contradicts the percieved
>intent of the words.

The smiley is there to indicate that beating the Huskies will not be easy and 
I am sure you know that.  Also, it is kind of nice to know that other teams are
really gunning for the Huskies (it is actually a bitter-sweet feeling).

>Husker Henderson
>
>HUSKER PRIDE LIVES
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> M_Henderson               | "Could you please continue the petty bickering?
> Marty Henderson           |  I find it most intriguing."   ---    Data, 
> Woodland Park, Colorado   |  Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven"
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

More later,

Behzad
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Net Trash on Everybody (was: Gators, Canes, and PSU)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:16:12 GMT
Organization: Buffalo Stampede

In article <BuLAMw.JBn@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:

>First, I hope Henry McMillian is innocent.  He should have been suspended,
>by the lezzards since it's a felony arrest, IMHO.  Did Henry play in the 
>Fla/Kentuckey game?   Why is Miami , ND, PSU, Bama and only a few other
>schools the only ones that suspends players for arrests ...

I have to speak up for dear old CU, where coach McCartney suspended
All-Big 8 SS Eric Hamilton for his entire senior season this year after
he was charged with a second DUI in as many years, and starting CB Deon
Figures for 1 game for his first arrest.  :-(

>I even stopped listing Athletes that got arrested on the net. It's too much
>work.  Nebraska just had a player that was arrested in Jan. for attemped
>murder, get shot last week in a gun fight with police ...    

This comment is extremely irresponsible, and I believe Scotty Baldwin's
tragic situation deserves a much more compassionate account.  As I
understand it, the assault he committed last spring was the first
abnormal behavior he exhibited.  The woman he beat suffered long-lasting
physical and emotional damage, but apparently harbors no vengeance
towards Baldwin.  He pleaded innocent by reason of insanity, and the
court, prosecution, and defense were all in agreement when he was
sentenced to a psychiatric facility.  He apparently spent the summer
undergoing counseling, was receiving medication, and made enough
progress that Dr. Tom Osborne, Nebraska's head coach, had taken him in
to live with him and his wife.

It has been said that, as do many people with a mental illness, Baldwin
became overconfident with his improved state of mind and stopped taking
his medication.  A couple weeks ago, he provoked a fight outside a bar,
then was arrested some distance away and some time later (naked, as he
was also found after the assault last spring).  He struggled against one
of the two armed police officers, who both happened to be women, and the
other shot him (in the chest, I think).  The officer who shot him has
already been cleared of any wrongdoing (although I have little faith in
internal police dept. investigations).  I don't know anything about his
current medical condition or the legal charges against him.

I hope anyone with more accurate information will correct any errors
I've propagated.

>As report on ESPN's " Up Close"
>with Roy Firestone 9/10/92.   East Carolina, Bama, Miami, UF, FSU, Nebraska,
>Arizona State, Kentuckey, Oklahoma, Colorado, Syracuse, Iowa, Pittsburgh and
>PSU every body's got skeletons in the closet.

And Joseph McCarthy had a "list of names".
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:45:43 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bama 17, S. Miss 10
Distribution: na

I have to think it's the coaching.  We're talking a serious lack
of originality in play calling--fake punt notwithstanding.  I don't
think Bama threw more than once or twice on first down.  Let's face it
if your offense is predictable, the opposing D doesn't have to be that
good to slow you down.

The other big problem was penalties.  Every time Bama got within 20 yards
of the SoMiss goalline, they got called for holding.

Still, the way Bama D is playing, we won't need THAT much offense.


Jim Thomas
Penn State
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the po
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:18:19 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 27853@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, ward@spock.corp.mot.com (Edward D. Ward) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.041232.22656@news.unomaha.edu> skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Martin L. Burrell) writes:
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^

>>
>>[ lots of stuff deleted ]
>>
>>My first (biased) prediction:
>>       Sept. 19   Nebraska 24  Washington 17!!
>You've got to be kidding right?  In Washington?!?

I think we understand why he said in his BIASED opinion



---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |
From: ds4@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Marsee Computer Rankings and Predictions for 9/12/92
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:00:32 GMT
Distribution: na


In article <BILLMS.92Sep11165801@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

|> I'm amazed at how much shit some people throw at guys like Darryl and Schmit
|> who post their power rankings.  I think its interesting, and a lot of other
|> people seem to as well.  These guys put in the effort because they enjoy it, and
|> they share their results with us.  And some clown always comes by to point
|> out the 'obvious' mistakes.  If you can do better why don't you?
|> 
|> Bill

	Poor Bill, did someone critize one of your posts and your feelings
got hurt....ahhhh.  Ok, now that I got that childish outburst out, let me say
one thing, this would be a very dull newsgroup if people are not allowed to
comment on other peoples post.....actually it would be pretty stupid.  It
seems to me as if you are saying that anyone can say whatever they want and no
one can comment on it.....like if I say my grandmother plays football 
better than Univeristy of Michigan, you would not beable to respond because I 
took the time to post.  
	And for this "If you can do better why don't you?" thing, anyone can
write a program to say which is the best team, by criteria such as; which team
has scored the most points, or which team has the ugliest looking offensive line.
I am not sure what these guys are doing....I would like to see the algorithms for
these 'computer polls'.  If anyone wants to send me or post theirs then I would
at least see that it is a legit thing and not some fantasy.

Appriciates any post expressing the opinions of the sender, but holds the right
to comment,
~ds4
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame schedule (was: Weekly top 25 )
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:49:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.140755.20415@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@steinbeck.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep9.150314.10811@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day) writes:
|> >
|> >Who says ND's schedule is easy?  They play
|> >Michigan AND Boston College next week! :) :) :) :)
|> >
|> >Rob
|> >-- 
|> Actually I heard ND is sending the Varsity to play Boston College this
|> weekend and sending one of it's intramural football teams up to Michigan
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> in the hopes of making it a closer contest.  :)
|> 
|> 		- Rob 

Remember Rob, if you don't cancel your reservation at the Ann Arbor Inn
by 6pm this Friday evening, you're going to be charged for the room.

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:36:15 GMT

manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:


>Do you really think that I care what you (or anyone else) think about my joke
>being appropriate? (or, what you think about me?) Get real!

>Since you refered to my views about the mishap, I might as well be open
>about it. Yes, I'm rather insensitive about things that doesn't affect me
>directly... (and I believe most people are... the ones who act otherwise
>are just being hypocritical) Also, I've known disasters (natural and man-
>made) which were much more severe than hurricane Andrew which makes it
>even less important in my eyes.

Sure hope Miami gives Colorado a insensitive disasters in the Orange Bowl.
From: 128a-1fq@web-4g.berkeley.edu (William Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Cal
Date: 8 Sep 1992 00:03:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-4g.berkeley.edu
Originator: 128a-1fq@web-4g.berkeley.edu

From: 128a-1fq@web-1e.berkeley.edu (William Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Keywords: 

From: 128a-1fq@web-4g.berkeley.edu (William Hackett)
Newsgroups: football.college
Subject: California Golden Bears.. Wolf Wolf Wolf...
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Keywords: 

Yeah ha, Im back on the net at least temporarily... Why the heck is Cal
ranked so darn low after last year...  They are lower than Clempson on
alot of the polls Ive been seeing, is there a good reason for this, I 
thought last years Citirus Bowl made it quite clear how Clempson stands
up to CAL :-) :-)....  We still got Russel and are headed for Roses look
out UDub....  Whod of Thunk Cal goes to three bowls during my stay here
:-) :-). Cooper,Citirus and ROSE BOWL... Woof woof woof....

We must get that AXE this year.  STANFURD, WALSH come on down here with
your high powered 7 point a game unstopable offense so we can see your
genius at work...

BETTER DEAD THAN RED...

What happen to TEXAS, is A&M the only school in TEXAS with any heart,
ever since I left and came to CAL sigh....  

Oh WELL GOOD TO BE BACK...

CAL MNC 92-93 :-) WE WANT MIAMI AGAIN STOP DUCKING US like LAST YEAR!!!

William Hackett 
senior Comp Sci.
Univ California @berkeley.edu <Nothing but Roses will do,cept Cotton maybe>
From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: (Longmont, CO) Trojan News, vol. 1
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:40:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Sep4.164040.1
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah Valley Community College

> The real Trojans open their season this Saturday at home, hosting the
> Overland Trailblazers at Montgomery Field.  Longmont is the 3-time
> defending 5A state champ and will try to extend its 41-game winning
> streak,... 
> 
> The University of Colorado has two players from Longmont on its team,...
> 
Could it have been three players?

Is this the same high school that produced BYU's fine freshman QB Paul
Shoemaker?

I understand that both Colorado and BYU wanted Shoemaker and Koy Detmer.
Is this true?  Which team ended up with the better QB prospect?

arthur
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:49:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.010109.22182@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:

   Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Path: javelin.sim.es.com!orca!uunet!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!loligo!zuniga
   From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
   Sender: news@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Usenet News File Owner)
   Nntp-Posting-Host: loligo.cc.fsu.edu
   Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
   Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 01:01:09 GMT
   Lines: 4

   As I watch tonight's game (9/10) between San Diego St. and BYU, I
   see that the BYU fans are calling their team the most hated in America.
   Huh?? I can think of 10 or more teams that I hate more than BYU. Just
   what is BYU thinking??? Anyone from BYU care to comment???



In SI last week there was a ridiculous article claiming that BYU is the most hated team in
the country, the fans were just picking up on that. The article claimed most hated in the nation,
but all the "I just hate them" quotes were from players and coaches in the WAC. I was surprised 
when no one mentioned it on the net before, I would have thought the article would really 
piss off the miami fans. They are proud of being the "TRUE" most hated team in the nation aren't
they?





			Richard
From: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Prop 48/Cal-USC
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:44:36 GMT
Reply-To: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <lao8jlINNs01@aludra.usc.edu> vestrada@aludra.usc.edu (Victor
Estrada) writes:

>
>Just to add a few things about Cal Athletics/Academics.  I was very much
>against Cal letting in Prop 48 athletes, but I am not anymore.  Here's
>why:
>
>The only problem with this is if the university doesn't admit "regular"
>students with learning disabilities.  Then that would be hypocritical.  I
>have friends who were admitted to Cal under "special circumstances" and
>have graduated. That's what it's all about:  Teaching/Learning.

I agree that admitting students with learning disabilities and turning
them into scholars is noble.  I also agree that it appears hyocritical to
admit students under these circumstances only if they can play some money
making sport.  I'd add one more caveat though.  Isn't there only a certain
number of spaces available in a freshman class?  If a space is given to
someone with lower grades and SAT scores doesn't that person take the
place of someone with a better academic record?  If you assume what
admissions officer's say is true, that students with higher grades and SAT
scores have a much higher probability of graduation, aren't you
essentially denying a spot to someone who will most likely graduate and
replacing them with someone who may have graduated at a "lesser" school
but won't graduate at Cal?  This is not a new arguement by far.  It's been
used a lot in other areas.  Just wondering what you guys think.

>
>PS
>Being both a CAL and USC student, I hate UCLA more than anyone on the net!!!!
>HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!(Wicked laughter)
>
>-- 
>   				Victor Estrada  (vestrada@usc.edu) 
>

I'm new on the net, and the last article I responded to may have gotten
lost.  Here's a bit of where I'm coming from.  I attended both USC and
UCLA, so I guess I hat Cal more than anyone :).

Stan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: FSU Clemson
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:12:31 GMT


Well, FSU wins this one, and barring earth-shattering upset, the ACC title.
I remember this summer all these peopl who were so positive that Clemson,
and maybe one other ACC team, would beat FSU. "FSU is not used to the
rigors of conference play", they said.

WRONG. Rigors of conference play? An independent schedule is much more
difficult than an ACC schedule, which includes patsys like Duke, Wake, UMD,
etc.

-rob
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Notre Dame schedule (was: Weekly top 25 )
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:19:00 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

godfrey@cs.washington.edu (Garr Godfrey) wrote:
}>
}>The Irish got pummelled 26-6 on April 20 (is this football season?)
}>but benifitting from experience kept the score to 4-10 on the second day.
}                                                   ^^^^
}Was football scored differently back then, or did they really get 2 safties?

It was scored differently.  Field goals (drop kicks back then) used to be
4 points.  TD's used to be 5 points.  Etc.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Big 10 and the Rose Bowl
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:09:05 GMT

johndoe writes:
[A list of Big Ten Rose Bowl victories, including:]
>62/1/1-Minnesota 21 UCLA 3
[...]
> only minnesota, wisconsin, and indiana have never won the rose bowl.

Oops!  Shouldn't that be only Wisconsin and Indiana have never won the
Rose Bowl?

--
Chris Stassen 			 408-943-0630 			stassen@alc.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college