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From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I desperately need you help!  Help me keep this love alvive!
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:27:52 GMT
Distribution: na

dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow) writes:
> daw@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dave Webb) writes:
> >
> >I desperately need some help and advice...

[feed the little lineeater]

> What choices does she have. Realistically, you or them. Chances are 
> it ain't gonna work either way though.  Even is she chooses you, the
> guilt and pain losing her boilogical family statistically equates 
> with a divorce at some point.  It just creates too many emotionally 
> powerful issues in addition tp the "normal" ones that come with 
> marriage anyway, It is, for most people, much too much to handle 
> successfully.

and if she stays with her parents, chances are they will go through
a "divorce" in the future anyway. that's probably for the best
(at least if my experiences hold true), but trying to hold together
a relationship at the same time can be nearly impossible.

there are a few things to consider:
o   could she survive if her parents disowned her?

    not everyone can, especially if their parents have been generally
	supportive 'til then. doesn't sound like that's the case here,
	but breaking the ties is still -very- painful.

o   if she CAN:

	find out how long it will be before she can make a clean break.
	if she does it on her own terms things will go much better. her
	parents might even accept you if it came to them as "Mum, Pop,
	I'm leaving. I'm marrying a goyim, you're invited to the wedding."
	at least you've got a better position than "Mum, Pop, I'm in love
	with this guy, and he's not Jewish, and I'm dependant on you for
	everything, buuut..."

	it still won't be easy, but it will be better.

o   if she CAN'T:

	give it up. let her know you still love her, but go your own way.
	perhaps, if fate deals you a good hand, she'll make the break on
	her own (as she eventually will, or spend the rest of her life
	under their domineering shadow). chances are that she won't.
	it's something to cry about, but not the kind of thing you want
	to ruin a life over.

the important thing right now is not to pressure her. if she wants her
parents more than you at this point, and you force her away from them,
your relationship will be SHIT-SHIT-SHIT. don't even think about it.
let her know she has your support, and that you want what's best for
her (and you. if you're not at least a teensy bit egomaniacal you will
get TROMPED on.) then let her choose. if it doesn't work, it wasn't
meant to be. as great as an individual might be, family is part of the
package.

jason "a family-less package, and hopefully better for it" steiner

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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Jawbreaker - Reply To Lost Email...
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:03:49 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Hey - could the very kind (and tasteful!) soul who emailed me re: my
.sig and subcribing to the Indie-List please email me again? I screwed
up my mail *again*. But hey, I think I have an ulcer now, so does that
make up for it? (Work/school releated stress. Yowzas. What fun.)

Anyhow - in answer to your question... the sig's from the song "Chesterfield
King" from the ep (and will be on the forthcoming 'Biouvac' (sp?)).
It's really, really good - you will *not* be disappointed! Better
production than 'Unfun', too... (w/ help from Steel Pole Bathtubber
Mike "I'm going so damn fast now" Morasky...)

Thanks ya...

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: 890707p@ace.acadiau.ca (GLENN G. PARSONS)
Subject: Farrell Bashing
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:43:38 GMT

To the bloke who rose in defence of Perry Farrell, 
                                Here here!
Farrell may be a lunatic, but he's brilliant, and he DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK 
WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS.  So like all good artists, he'll be perpetually 
despised by people who confuse good art with things like sex, religion, etc..
From: mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Attention young ladies! Attention young ladies!
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:16:07 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet) writes:
> I bought the latest pwei product today, `The Looks or The Lifestyle?'.
> 
> I'm not that impressed with it - seems to me it's like we're being dragged back
> to the pre-Box Frenzy days of grebo guitar, all the Now For a Feast stuff,
> which I'm not very enarmoured with.
> 

Yeah, on the whole you are right....the album is a bit of a dissapointment
but there are some saving graces. Karmadrome is good, so is Eat Me, etc. But 
then they are both singles anyway so its not really that good. And what about
the merchandise...bulletproof (a crap song) bags(?), wooly hats!, and very
expensive t-shirts.

Come on PWEI, you can do better than this.

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From: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: The Evils of Pearl Jam Was re:temple of the dog
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:19:12 GMT
Reply-To: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep24.210832.7066@iscsvax.uni.edu>, woodwick9526@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>I think I can clear up your situation, Pearl Jam used to be Mother Love Bone,
>until the death of Andy Woods.  And then they formed Pearl Jam.

	How many times do people have to tell this stupid fucking story? WHo
the hell cares how much you know about Pearl Jam (not to single out the author
of the above-quoted post. take the "you" as a general thing)? Every time
someone mentions them , they HAVE to stick in some fact about Temple of the
Dog, Mother Love Bone, Green River...blah blah blah, SHUT UP with that story,
already.
	It's almost as much of a cliche as "Seattle Band".

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From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: new address for Negativmailorderland (Re: Negativland)
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:37:37 GMT
 <Menqf5S00Uh7E3TqkJ@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <Menqf5S00Uh7E3TqkJ@andrew.cmu.edu>
jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joshua John Buergel) writes:

> Negativmailorderland
> 109 Minna #391
> San Francisco, CA  94105

The new address is 

Negativmailorderland
c/o T.E.C. Tones
POB 1477
Hoboken, NJ 07030

This is straight from N'moland's October/November catalog.  It seems as
though N'land is distributing exclusively via T.E.C. tones.

I second the others' recommendations...  Start with _Escape From
Noise_, then try _10-8 Place_.  _Helter Stupid_ is really interesting
and hilarious also.  The first two, _"points"_ and _Negativland_, are
only for those who enjoy _10-8 Place_.

Finally, I'm seeking reviews of Negativland's video, _No Other
Possibility_, if anyone would care to post or mail me thoughts on it. 
One die-hard fan has already told me it sucks, so I'd like others'
opinoins before I buy it. Thanks.

Later,

 - nathan
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: New Sundays?
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:23:58 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Sep28.152836.3421@memstvx1.memst.edu>, urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> Does anyone have any info on the up-and-coming Sundays' album? I have
> heard over the past year that it wouldn't be long 'til it would be out. I
> gotta know! I'm dying! Last I heard, it would be September. What's the latest?
> 							Thanx!
> 							Richard Vance
comin out Oct. 23 or so.

the first single is available now as an import. go and get it.

-kreig
From: woodwick9526@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: MLB & PJ
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:55:48 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I agree with your post, and I for one bought  PJ way back in March, and a
friend told me about MLB, and I bought Apple.  I have listened to MLB almost
more than PJ, and I personally think Man of Golden Words is one kick ass
ballad, if that is what it's genere is.  And I think that may be MLB was
about to get signed to a major contract, but with the untimely death of Andy
Wood they, somehow, regrouped and polished the sound to get Pearl Jam.  Which,
in my opinion, is a furthering of the MLB sound.  But, that's just my $.015 
worth.
                        laters,
                                Woody
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 12:05:41 CDT
From: <U46837@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: About moshing......
 <1992Oct1.015036.1037@rdr.com>


Randy Tidds writes...
> I personally thing the whole moshing thing is pretty immature -- I
> mean, I was in the front row for Rollins at Lalapalooza, for which
> thrashing/moshing/slamming is inevitable.  But when Living Color
> comes on, and people are still jumping around and knocking people
> over, and Siouxsie and the Banshees come on and they're still at it,
> you wonder if these people paid $20 to hear any music or see any
> bands, or just to jump around on each other's heads.

The most obnoxious thing I've seen is people moshing to "Pacific" by
808 State when they played in Chicago.  They weren't slamming, so
I'll give those who were moshing some credit.  :-)

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From: olivier@everest.ee.umn.edu (Olivier Meirhaeghe)
Subject: Re: URGE OVER KILL??????????
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:46:22 GMT

>>Does anyone know a band called Urge Over Kill or something like that?
>>Recently, I've heard theri cover of Angel ( Madonna's song ). Sounds great!
>>Please, if you have any information let me know.
>>


	Urge overkill , say you know the chicago blues ? well they
	are sorta playing loud chicago blues , aren't they ..these
	guys are awesome , just listen to "Emma line"..Wow..beats
	me , now , why do people give attention to stupid commercial
	junk like pearl jam ? does pearl jam makes your spine tickle ?

	O.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
From: winer@husc8.harvard.edu (Adam Winer)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:32:25 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Oct2.002649.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>> Chains Changed was a 4 song ep they put out on 4AD AFTER the first album.
>> It's really good;  it includes a Beatles song that I think they just put
>> out on another single; I'm sure it's a different version.
>
>Actually the "Cry Baby Cry" on _Chains Changed_ was a Hersh original although
>it shared the name with a Beatles song. They covered that song on their "Not
>Too Soon" single.
>
>Elucidating out,
>
>Kreig
>
>kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu

That clears things up.  I've only heard the Chains Changed version;  I
later saw Cry Baby Cry on the Not Too Soon single listed as a Lennon-
McCartney song.  I listened to the White Album, and it sounded like
a completely different song, but hey, their version of Amazing Grace
isn't completely standard.  I assumed I was just being dense, and that
the two songs were the same.  Anyway, thanks for clearing things up.

Adam
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From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: nina hagen???
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:34:26 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

>  Anyone know about "Nunsexmonkrock"?

Yes, I have the album. I was from her Christian period. A good record but not 
as good as Unbehagen. (Except it has more English lyrics!)


Steve.


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From: kolsson1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kris Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Enigma, The Orb and Lush Dance Music
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:50:52 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

Try 'Satanigma' and 'Gregorian' for Enigma immitators (Gregorian has the
guy named 'Gregorian' from
Enigma).
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: umgyles0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gyles)
Subject: Re: important MORRISSEY question
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:25:58 GMT

>>I don't know what he calls himself but at the concert in Mpls. on 9-12 he
>>was on the floor making out with some clone of his who rushed the stage,
>>just thought youd'e like to know.

I don't really know about Morrissey's preferences.  But I was at the
Minneapolis show, and would like to say that Morrissey was definately
NOT making out with the guy.  It may have appeared that way, because
the fan was lying on top of Morrissey for a short time, but I had a
very clear view, and there was no actual 'making out' going on.

It was actually somewhat humourous, because the fan was dressed 
pretty much exactly like Morrissey was.  Morrissey began bowing to 
the fan like a fan would to him.  He would not let go of his clone
even though security was trying to pull him off stage.
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The evils of Pearl Jam WAS Re: Temple of the Dog
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:32:30 GMT

genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes:
> > I don't understand or care what commercial means or doesn't mean. 
> > What I care about is the quality of the music. Nirvana plays good 
> > music that is hooky and poppy and has gained them commercial 
> > success. So what? Good for them.
> 
> Nirvana is a commercial band, not a talented band. They are 
> surviving off  commercial success. Phew! How long do you think this 
> success will last?

golly, wally, how the fuck -else- are they supposed to survive than
commercial success? the extreme admiration of about 40 fans doesn't
put food off the table or pay rent.

first you say they're bad 'cause they're a commercial success & then
imply that they're bad because that success won't last forever!
make up your damn mind.

jason

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From:  (Becky .)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: The smiths best...1
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:46:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative

So what's the deal here?  Does anyone know when 2 will show up?  Also
when's Morrissey's book coming out?
From: cygnus@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Marshall Robin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Scanning (was Re: Nirvana)
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:17:54 GMT
Organization: Bruins fer "Bob"

In article <1992Oct6.140643.20101@panix.com> jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) writes:
>In <ld1j24INN705@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dinkins) writes:
>>[well you don't like rush because your tastes are simplistic deleted]
>[no, i don't like rush because i think they are pretentious and stiff deleted]

argh. could we stop baiting the rush fans here, huh? they can't help it,
it's like a bullmoose mating call to them for you to flame rush.
surely you have other ways to entertain yourself than to get rush fans
riled up and posting huge diatribes that they should realize are like
trying to convince the pope that there is no god.

i happen to like rush a lot but i agree they are non emotional...i see
their work like a snowflake beautiful and intricate but cold. when i want
emotion i listen to other stuff, when i want to be awestruck by complexity
i listen to rush. big deal, thats my choice. and you may hate rush, thats
your choice. i don't think that music-bashing what this group is for.
so why dont both sides drop it, and to all rush fan types i say if you see
a flame dont respond because they wont listen, no matter how "rational"
or "well reasoned" you find your argument to be. appreciation of music is
not something that can be imparted by rational means [if you think that
then you have been listening to way too much rush :) ] don't get pissed
off because it's just someone's opinion, what they say has little bearing
on what you should or do think, so blow it off. then the flames will die.
isn't that what you want anyways?

-marsh

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From: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger)
Subject: Re: MLB & PJ
Reply-To: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:02:17 GMT

In article <QenkXrq00VB4EjaUNu@andrew.cmu.edu>, Michael Hamilton Walker <mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Has anybody else on the net seen the "new" Mother Love Bone release?
>
>I ask this because I just saw it yesterday.  It is not a new release, it
>is merely a compilation of everything that was on _Apple_ and _Shine_. 
>Convieniently released at the same time as the height of Pearl Jam's
>fame and the success of the Temple of the dog album.  Is there anybody
>else out there who thinks this is just about the shittiest fucking thing
>that can be done to the music and lyrics of Andy Wood?  Pearl Jam gets
>brought up in this rant because of this one little convienient sticker
>on this MLB release, a sticker that informs the buying public of the
>presence of two members of Pear Jam (namely Stone Gossard and Jeff

	My new roommate, a very impressionable kid, told me that he was the
first kid on his floor to get the Pearl Jam album. I thought that was kind of a
wormy thing to say, but then he said he got it the day it came out . Somehow
that took the edge off it. Whatever. Now, he sees this new MLBone album and
says "I Have to get it!" "Why?" "It has a song on it that I've never heard!"
	He's gonna buy this double album re-release just because it has One
song on it that he has never heard before. He never even plays the MLBone
albums he Has. He's a true Collector.

	Anyway, maybe the guys from Pearl Jam really believe in the MLB music
and think that more people should listen to it - even if a few grumpy people
get mad at their endorsement. I know I want people to hear all the stuff that I
write...
	Or, maybe the record company said "Hey, we can rerelease these two 
albums, toss in some B-Sides, and snag a whole group of	Seattle-Scene-Teens and
their snotty money as well!" 

	I'd like to believe in the former, but lean towards the latter...

	-fieldfresh-
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From: hinkmond@tamri.com (Hinkmond Wong)
Subject: Finding a rave in SF Bay Area
Organization: Toshiba America MRI, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:29:02 GMT

Does anyone know how to find a rave party in the San Francisco Bay Area?  Is
there a newsgroup for raves?

Thanks.
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From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: joy division
Date: 1 Oct 1992 20:26:50 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
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In article <1992Oct1.042448.9812@bain3.bain.oz.au>, carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
>Gary Danko (genocide@hale.cts.com) wrote:
>> does anyone out in letland like joy division? i have one album, 
>> substance. i know there are quite a few more available but they are hard 
>> to find out here. does anyone know how many they put out and their 
>> titles? and what ever happened to the band members?
>

I have collected JD for years and New Order, I prefer the early JD & early
NO albums. They are quite obtainable on vinyl at your second hand record store. 
There is a lot of boots available but watch buying them as the sound quality
on some of them leaves a lot to be desired and a lot of the music is repeated
from record to record. Recommended Joy Division albums would be Still with
the excellent cover of Velvet Underground's Sister Ray, Closer and Shadow Play.
All essential albums for any Joy Division collector. Best of the boots would
be Deal Soul and Electric Funeral - double live albums, the latter is the 
best. The pride of my collection is the Construction Photo E/P "An Ideal
For Living" in which I paid $100 NZ at a record auction (the most expensive
record in my collection).

Joy Division previously were Warsaw, in which it is very hard to obtain
the orignal stuff. Ian Curtis committed sucide (someone else can fill you 
in on that) and the band went on to form New Order, and changed their
style to more of a dance style band using syth etc.

>
>	Does anyone think Nirvana sounds a bit like JD????? :)

You what, give those legends a break, Ian Curtis would be turning in
his grave. Bleargh!


Red
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