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Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Chess subtleties
From: <WK60BUSW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 16:27:03 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Back on this people dying in his presence thing there is one I would like to
mention that could play a huge role in the future (and PLEASEno flames on this
-  I feel that it could be important if this is actually happening):  Posey.
 
Cerebus was as good as there - Posey could see him and I think  that that is
all that really matters in this case.  Po said how much Cerebus had changed
Posey's life and how devoted he was and if that power to "Possess" people falls
to him Posey could really save Cerebus butt in the future.  Could  have a MAJOR
role (and I want him to come back, too).
 
On the subject  of not seeing Po move the pieces - Possibility:  Po is between
lives and is a non-physical entity now merely hanging out in the various
spheres wherehe can keep his eye on what is happening  in the real world as
well as communicate with Cerebus whenever he finds his way into the spheres.
Po has knowledge of all his past lives now and that could be because he is not
currently alive (or merely some enlightenment from all his time in the spheres)
and can thus see all along there.  We know that he can see what is going on in
the physical world (Cerebus conversation with the judge) and he is seeming very
insubstantial through this chess game.
 
2004 here we come!
 
Hmm....  One sec here folks - the judge has  been shown to color his statements
to how he judges events to be (Po was talkin about it).  This leaves the
possibility that he is coloring things with his words "Alone - Unmourned and
Unloved."  Alone couldbe that he has lost all of his followers (loses recogniti
on as the one true pope again and has no political power).  Unloved I have a
problem withif it is used in the strict sense - ie nobody anywhere loves him.
I kinda doubt that Elf will ever stop loving Cerebus.  And I certainly think
that at least she would mourn his passing if not elrod  and the roach as well.
Unmourned and unloved could merely refer to the feelings of the majority of the
population.  Most of the people  he took money from as pope wouldn't care one
way or the other if he died and certainly wouldn't mourn his passing.  Words
are very ambiguous  things.  One person may see his words one way and another
see them completely differently
 
gotta run - laters
 
normy
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cages
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:27:03 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>Cages is one of those strange books that I really enjoy, but am reluctant
>to recommend. Its just not for everyone. The last issue was little more 
>than a couple spending an evening together at a bar. Now I like the way
>the time just "flew by" and the way McKean drew it. However I don't 
>think everyone is ready to pay Tundra prices for the experience. 

Well I paid $6.50 for my copy. In Australia comics are a fair
bit more expensive than in US. A $1.25 book costs between
$1.95 and $2.20 (depending where you go). I'm willing to pay
$6.50 though because of the presentation.

Jed
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: request
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:29:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: blaze.1992Sep3.162941.578
Reply-To: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

Can someone tell me the name of the daughter of the Lord of Time from near
the end of the old JLA series (Crisis crossover)?  Email only, please...
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: tyg@valhalla.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Test--Ignore
Date: 28 Aug 1992 18:37:27 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sorry, but misc.test wouldn't do for what I'm testing.

"This must be the Red Sox' year. Statistics of the last 75 years prove that
the Sox always win the World Series one year after a Russian revolution."
  --Dan Shaughnessy
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: megazone@planet10.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Subject: Re: Crying Freeman:Part Four #6
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:36:32 GMT

In article <78779@ut-emx.uucp> chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:
>Well, I saw this as having been released by Valiant last Friday, but I have yet

Crying Freeman is from Viz, not Valiant. It's a translated manga, which has
been going downhill. Mostly sex and violence, but there is still enough 
plotline for it to be somewhat interestng. But Book #1 was awesome... more on
the characters.

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# I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity.  Use your mind, think! #
#Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu  Moderator, WPI anime FTP site 130.215.24.1 /anime#
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From: mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Reply-To: mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:16:06 GMT

 wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:

|> Eclipse went back to the thin paper cover.  I much preferred the harder paper
|> cover they had been using since the 3rd issue of the Golden Age.  Why the
|> change?

	Not only that, but I found that the purple ink bleaches off onto your
fingers. Does anyone know how it reacts to mylite? ;)

|> PPS Miracleman will have a fight in Book V?  I wouldn't have guessed it, and
|> I'm not so sure I'd want it.  I just hope it's not with YM.  That would be too
|> typical.  KM would be even more.  Ah, well, I put my trust in Gaiman.

	As do I. Since NG's specialty seems to be mythologies, I am *very*
anxious to see how YM fits into the new mythology. Personally, I'm hoping
for lots of agonizing on YM's part, a la Hamlet, before he decides to do
something. This world is so very rich, I certainly wouldn't mind a 12 issue
(would that be a six-year-long?) storyline.

	Some of my comments on this issue: We get the first real glimpse of
Miracleman's dialogue as written by Gaiman (with the exception of his one
or two lines in the previous issue). Having just re-read Olympus, I'm not sure
that it fit *exactly*. (No ObFlames about this, I just thought MM was slipping
out of God mode.)

	MM's logo was missing! We know that the Miraclebeings' uniforms change
acording to their persona, but what can this mean?

	The Miracle Babies have different powers! Great idea (IMHO). This is
new to the series, one of the few things introduced by Gaiman that wasn't 
hinted at by Moore.

	Why give YM the same "miracleman" code word? Does he still have an
"abraxis" -I'm sure Gargunza gave him one originally. If there is a YM-MM
fight, will we hear "abraxis?"

	Given MM's penchant for retrieving lost characters, do you suppose 
he has tried to regrow/revive Young Nastyman from his skeleton? 

blah blah blah
-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Dream's recent lover 
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:10:17 GMT

In article <BtLo1p.En3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.001226.16609@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>>"After all, what could possible go wrong". Geez, you would have figured
>>he'd know by now, wouldn't you.
>
>Ah, well.  He is a slow one.  At least, according to Unity Kincaid and his
>dear elder sister.  I... what was I saying?

There's a difference between slow and stunned. I think he may have
crossed the line once to many time. Dear Unity was more right than she
knew. Of course, he's in morning for his his loss love, so I guess that
would make you a bit weak upstairs.

Before people post back saying "are you sure you want to say that to
Morpheus?" Remember two things.

1. This is not a Marvel Comic letter page where I am suppose to be
afraid that the character is going to get me.

2. It's just a comic (albeit a good one), I'll take my chances.
 
know

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From: ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer)
Subject: Re: Nina Paley Mondo Update
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:49:12 GMT
Keywords: Joyride

jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

>> It may not be available anymore, but at one time _Joyride_ was
>> collected into book form. . . . Call information for Radio
>> Ranch Comics, I believe, in Champaign, IL and see if they have
>> any still on hand.
>
>=o= Wow, it would be cool if there were still some available.
>Maybe I can get Nina to pick up a copy for me (she's in Urbana
>this week).  Of course, I've already read the strips and had
>Nina explain all the Champaign/Urbana in-jokes to me. :-)
>
>=o= A few lucky folks in Champaign and Urbana have the *real*
>collector's item:  A _History_of_the_North_Pole_ mini-comic.
>This is Nina's first published work.  Put 'em in mylar bags,
>folks, they'll be worth millions someday!
    AAAAAAARRRRRRGH! Don't say that! I bought a "History of the North Pole"
ages ago...Now I can't find it! If it somehow(yeah right) becomes valuable,
I'll never find it!

-- 
  HAVE A NICE DAY!                        ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
(or die trying)--------AAAAAAARG! the paranoids are after me!

                                                               <fnord>
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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: INDY: Love and Rockets reprint guide
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:42:51 GMT

In article <p6=nw3a@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>
>> The Titan volumes are identified like so:
>>
>> US editions: 	Heartbreak Soup (Gilbert)	HS 
[etc]

>I'm at a complete loss as to why these are being referred to as "US
>Edition Titan volumes".  They're published by Fantagraphics and don't
>mention Titan anywhere inside or out . . . in fact, the copy of _Love And
>Rockets_ I was reading says "Fantagraphics Books" right there on the
>spine.  As far as I know, Titan doesn't publish in the US at all.  So what
>am I missing?  

Um, my cavalier inattention to detail?  

Not having seen this books in person until the SDCC, I had grown to 
imagine them as Titan books.  When I was in San Diego, I knelt down at 
the Fantagraphics booth (in itself, a worthwhile experience) and madly 
scribbled down the contents of those books.  As I picked them up, I
recognized the format and production design as very similar (if not
identical) to that of the UK Titan volumes.  So my misconception
was perpetuated.  Mea culpa, etc etc.

Thanks for pointing this out; does anybody have any suggestions about
how I should refer to these volumes from now on?  

--
   Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
      "I couldn't handle childhood."  "You may have been too young."
                          Sam Hurt, _Eyebeam: Teetering on the Blink_
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SAND
X-To: DOUG MORAN
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:31:00 GMT

dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:

DM>I think she (Death) looks more like Michelle Shocked than a Madonna- 
DM>wannabe personally.  Hey, call me crazy. . .

Michelle Shocked??  MICHELLE SHOCKED???

Michelle Shocked has short, "tomboy"-ish black hair, and has recently 
taken to wearing flowery, country-style dresses.  Perhaps her earlier 
wardrobe was similar in style to Death's, but that's about where the 
similarities end.

Death is basically a "goth chick" - I know many, many girls who look very 
much like Death (black clothes, long black hair, pale skin, etc.), and 
THEY'RE all trying to look like Siouxsie, so that's about the only valid 
music personality comparison I can think of.  Similarily, I know many guys 
who resemble Dream, and they're either trying to look like Robert Smith 
if the Cure, or Daniel Ash of Bauhaus/Love and Rockets.  They're modelled 
on goths, plain and simple.


Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca

--- WinQwk 2.0 a#0
From: kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics as Wall Art
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:04:03 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu

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Subject: Re: Comics as Wall Art (was Re: San Diego Con Horror Story)

jcoxhead@acorn.co.uk (Jonathan Coxhead) writes:


>   I used two copies of the Bullseye vs Elektra issue of Daredevil by Frank
>Miller to decorate my room in my second year at college.

>   I bought two extra copies, cut them all up and assembled them into a
>rectangular array. The effect of being able to see the whole story at once
>was curious: you noticed all kinds of things about Miller's layout technique
>that you might not have otherwise. I've never been tempted to do it with
>work by anyone else, but his style - large chunky figures, bold page layout
>and dynamic figures - fit the presentation very well. 

>   Am I the only one to have tried this?


I took the Punisher #1 and made a couple of mobiles out of it.
Really cool, the way the punisher swings around and perpetually
chases teh baddies.

I also once took the Death of the Robin, first print, autographed by
the artist *and* author, and made neat napkin-holders out of them.

Thomas S. Marlowe

C'mon.  how could any comic book reader/collector read that
last bit and not go parasympathetic, get a rush of anger adrenalin, 
and holster the flame-thrower?

Geez.  i would die if I entered someone's house and saw the walls decorated
with comic books or stamps.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: The Calvin/Sandman Connection
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:49:37 GMT

Perhaps there is a relation between Dream's Raven and Calvin's Hobbes?
     Dave Van Domelen, having nightmares of Bessel Functions
From: csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman DYN and more Dream's recent lover
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:48:18 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

From article <1992Aug25.233841.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu>, by carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu:
> Embarrasingly enough for me, it was only when reading Sandman #1 to my fiancee
> last night that she pointed out that Johanna Constantine's house, Wych Cross
> (or maybe the town, but the houses looked similar) is the same house occupied
> by Roderick Burgess and son waaaay back in ish one. If I'm reiterating
> something everyone noticed months ago, just flog me for my myopia.
> 
Reading this post reminded me of something I noticed while reading Sandman #9
(or a number close to that), "The Sound of Her Wings."  In the scene in which
Dream and Death are sitting in front of an apartment building, the building
in the background is a mirror-image of the one on the cover of Led Zeppelin's
"Physical Graffiti" album.  I haven't noticed any other occurrences like this,
but do any of you know of other examples where the artists got lazy with the
background?


Shane Roach
csroach@eng.clemson.edu
From: MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Excalibur, LEGION, LotDMite
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:38:52 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug29.142207.91@gems.vcu.edu>
jmclaughlin@gems.vcu.edu writes:
 
>But I do have a question (*SPOILER ALERT*):
>
>Wasn't Sat-yr-nin captured by Captain UK and her husband at the end of the
>Captain Britain series that was reprinted as a graphic novel?  How the *HECK*
>did she get loose to go dimension-hopping????  Did I miss something, or should
>I just look forward to the upcoming explanation?
 
Waaay back when Excalibur was in the single-digits, widget created a
portal to another timestream, and sent through a rather naive little
man who wanted to talk to an alien.  He met Sat-yr-9 on the other
side.  A few issues later, Sat-yr-9 appeared in Courtney Ross's
apartment (this would be immediately after the Arcade story), killed
her, and took her place.
 
Then Davis and Claremont left the title, and the plot thread was
forgotten until Davis' recent return.
 
-- mason
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From: c9037371@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Villians PII
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:00:44 GMT


Dear people

              Me again :)
  

Anyway...i was wanting to know(for an alternate reason)if there is any book
which lists Batman Villians(Life history/description/r.l names etc...)
If so,is there a recent edition?

Jason
(Not a bet involved!)

********************************************************************************

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Quotes from reviews
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:31:26 GMT

In article <78491@ut-emx.uucp>, cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
> 
> >Aside:  am I the only one who gets pi**ed off at the fact that every time
> >a magazine decided to print an article on comics, it has to have a title
> >like "BANG! POW!  COMICS AREN'T FOR KIDS ANYMORE!" or some such crap?
> 
> No, you're not. Actually, I've seen some decent pieces occasionally on various
> "mature" comics titles in non-comics magazines. 

Where?  As long as it isn't in some piddly "counterculture" magazine and
doesn't have the "BANG! POW!" title or first paragraph, I'm interested.

> >[Please, no mentions about Ellison's PLAYBOY article.  That's the exception
> >that proves the rule.]
> 
> This is one I have missed. Since Ellison is my all-time favorite author, 
> (Anyone else ever read "A Love Song For Jerry Falwell"?), can you tell me
> what issue it was in?

I'm sure it was December '88.  If you're offended by/can't find/don't want
to be caught reading PLAYBOY, the article was reprinted in one of Ellison's
collections (Tom Galloway posted the name, but I forgot it).

> And the general gist of the piece?

If I remember correctly, it was basically a review of non-superhero (but
still mostly action-adventure) books.

> Better yet, anyone got it on a computer? <hopehopehope>

Better hope not.  Knowing Ellison, he'd probably sue us to he*l and back if
we were to post it...
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Dvandom set to music
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:35:42 GMT

If yer gonna set me to music, use TMBG!

"And out
of r.a.c.m.
On
A dark
horse rode....
Mr. Dvandom, the Napoleon of the post!"

     Dave Van Domelen, apologies to President Polk.  Direct all flames to elmo,
he apparently saves them for reuse
From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Marvel Bashing, if you please!
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:50:43 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

"wReam" (sl859@cc.usu.edu) writes:

>Marvel cannot be blamed for the direction the comic book industry is taking.

On the contrary, if your company's output is the leader in the industry, being
up to twice as much (in total dollar "value") as your nearest competitor, then
any perceived direction that the comics industry takes as whole *must* include
you, and almost certainly includes you as a leader, rather than a follower.
You most certainly can be blamed for the direction (although perhaps not solely
you).

------------------------------
                             |     As I stared, the kid's plate spun around on
Jim Drew                     | the counter.  When he stopped it, he took a bite
jrd@frame.com                | of the mashed potatoes in front of him.  Then he
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | released the plate, and it began to spin again;
"Innocent, but not naive."   | he stopped it for a bite of chicken fried steak.
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Did you ever have the feeling you were
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | being watched?"  I asked the sheriff, and looked
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | from side to side.  "By David Lynch?"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
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From: grendel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Big Squeegee)
Subject: Re: Sandman 41:  Annotation suggestion
Organization: The International House of Secretions
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:42:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.053535.27835@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
*  Hi.  I don't know if this is how you do things, but I have a point
*that I think should be included in the annotation to Sandman #41 (Brief
*Lives, chapter 1).  If this has already been pointed out, sorry.

[Delerium and JC using the same methods to crash parties]

*  In both cases, the doorman has his mind clouded, and admits the
*uninvited guest.
*
*  If you like, I can go on searching out the issue of Hellblazer 
*involved, but I think it's obviously a tribute from Gaiman
*to Garth Ennis, who wrote that sequence in Hellblazer.

You fool.  It's the old Jedi mind trick.  If it's gotta be a tribute to 
anyone, I'd say George Lucas.


Mark "These aren't the droids you're looking for" Lippert 
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From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainmet (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:48:45 GMT

In article <9208312301.AA02396@lynx.frame.com> jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>Are they?  Are books, movies, music, and comics (just) for entertainment?
>Can there be no other purpose?  (Not just to supplement or compliment the
>entertainment, but to supplant or replace it.)  Can none of these media be
>used for education?  For social commentary?  For mental abuse and torture?

Comics can be used as social commentary, for education, for anything
that any other communication media can be used for.  It so happens
that they are used primarly for entertainment -- but that's just a
reflection of the market and not the media itself.  

If you want to include comic strips rather than just books in this
discussion then I would point out that comics have a very long
history of being used for political commentary.

>Must a comic entertain to be a "success?"  Can it not have some other goal as
>its primary motivation for existence?  (I posit that if you say "No," then
>you doom the comic book form to stagnation.)

"Success" has to be measured against intent, I think.  A comic is a 
"success" if it accomplishes what its creators wanted to do with it.
So, I guess "Infinity Wars" is a success because it's making lots
of money.  

David Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu


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