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From: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz)
Subject: Re: Boeing Customer Codes
Organization: Chicago Software Works
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:27:15 GMT

In article <26220@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
>In rec.travel.air, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) writes:

>>54      (gone)  Mohawk

>    Mohawk, long gone (swallowed by Allegheny in the 70s I believe),
>had a rather small route system, mainly in the northeast. When they
>expanded their service to Washington, DC, it was considered a big deal
>(by them). I find it rather amazing that they were ordering any kind
>of Boeing aircraft. They must have had some expansion plans in the works.
>I believe they did operate some Fokker jets, but the bulk of their fleet
>were Convair 240s, as I recall.

USAir had a number of BAC-111s, many of which came from Mohawk in the
April 12, 1972 takeover by Allegheny.  The first Fokker commercial jet
which comes to mind is the F-28, which entered service in 1969, but I
don't recall Mohawk having them and JP doesn't list them in any USAir
rosters up until the Piedmont merger.

The sequential numbering of Boeing's early (21 thru 99) codes suggests
plans predating the BAC-111, however.  Northwest is code 51, and this
was assigned c. 1961 with the order of the 707s.  I *really* can't see
Mohawk ordering a 707 but this was about the right time for the 727.
If so, they may or may not have been delivered -- the oldest roster
for USAir I have handy doesn't list a 727-54.  Airliners International
had an article on Allegheny that might have the info but I can't find
my copy of that issue.

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From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines!
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:06:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Oct9.210658.18927
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

In article <09OCT92.14425663.0075@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
(Hugh Brodie (CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA)) writes:
> As of Jan. 1, 1996, all flights will have to be non-smoking.
> ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) passed this
> motion yesterday, proposed by Canada and Australia.
> 
> Canadian airlines are already smoke-free on domestic routes,
> and will be on all international routes as of Jan. 1, 1993.
> 
> If I am not mistaken, Cathay Pacific is the only smoke-free
> international carrier at present.
> 
> (Why should it take 3 more years? Why not immediately?)
> 
> 
> Hugh.

I beleive Cathay Pacific is only smoke-free between
Vancouver/Hong Kong (vv), and Australia/Hong Kong (vv),
at least for now.

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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: Need Anywhere U.S. to Hawaii Cheap!!
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 03:38:10 GMT

colvin@oyster.smcm.edu (Tim Colvin) writes:

>I need at least one round trip ticket from anywhere in the U.S. to Hawaii  
>(prefer Maui) anytime from 20 December till 2nd of January.  Any offers or  
>suggestions for cheap travel would be welcomed.  

>Thanks 
>	Tim Colvin 
>Colvin@oyster.smcm.edu

The local (Washington, DC) discount electronic store Luskins
has been giving them away with many purchases ; the deal seems to
be that you have to stay in certain hotels to be able to use them.
Since I am sure Luskins is getting the deal from someone else you
might check your local discount chain.
-- 

                      Glenn E. Host - Reston, VA
Very grateful guest of Openage - the best SCO service shop in the area
************* my views represent no one - not even myself. ****************
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From: simona@panix.com (Simona Nass)
Subject: USAir changed youth discount on shuttle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:50:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Prior to end of Sept/early Oct, USAir had a discount for folks under 25
traveling the shuttle (at least between NY/Boston, maybe also NY/DC). The
age for the discount has now been lowered. It was either 60 or 65 one way.
-S.
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From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Pan Am 747s
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:03:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.132732.3793@cs.brown.edu> aap@cs.brown.edu (Andrea A. Pietracaprina) writes:
>I was wondering:
>
>          Where did all the Pan Am 747s go? 
>          Did Delta get them?
>

     Delta did not buy the Pan Am 747s, although they did purchase a number
of A-310s and 727s from Pan Am.    

Greg


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Greg Lyon		             	         Student Union Attorney General
gl1@cec2.wustl.edu			                       Clinton/Gore '92 
Washington University in St. Louis - Site of the First 1992 Presidential Debate
From: san@mpd.tandem.com (Steve Sanderson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Q: upgrade on AA for honeymoon flight
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:53:34 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX


Fellow travelers:

My fiance & I are getting married in ~two weeks and on Oct. 26th, we are
flying to Tortola, British Virgin Islands for our honeymoon.

We have booked a round trip coach class tickets (on American Airlines),
but we dream of upgrading to first class, unfortunately neither one of us
has enough AA frequent flyer miles to do this, though I am ~2300 miles short.

In the past, I have heard tales of newlyweds being upgraded to first class
(on their honeymoon) as a gift from the airline.  Today, though, with the
austerity measures - I have my doubts whether this'll occur.

So, I wanted to ask the nets combined knowledge for ideas on how we could
upgrade to first class for our honeymoon.

Any ideas?

Thanks for your help,

Steve Sanderson

P.S. If it makes any difference, I have flown on AA for years, been a member
of the frequent flyer program for years, and recently enrolled in the
Admirals Club (because of work travel).  Oh, though I've done traveling
we're not *loaded*; the cost of upgrading to first class (at last
count) is much more than we can afford.
-- 

				Steve Sanderson
				Tandem Computers
				san@mpd.tandem.com
From: laufer@math.luc.edu (Konstantin Laufer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flight to Cuba from USA
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:31:18 GMT
Reply-To: laufer@math.luc.edu
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Fcc: +outbox

In article <ldrcjpINNg99@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni) writes:
> I would like to go to Cuba/Havana from the US but with relations
> being what they are I am not sure if you can go.  perhaps from
> Miami or do I need to fly out of US.  Has any Yank flown to Cuba.
> Know about bringing US dollars into Cuba (I beleive there is no
> exchange here).  There is no Cuban consulate here either so i have
> no idea where and if I can get a proper visa.

There *are* direct flights from Miami to La Habana, but they are not
for tourists, only for journalists and such.  

In addition to going via Mexico you also have the possiblity of going
via Jamaica or Canada.  In fact, the largest group of tourists who go
to Cuba is the Canadians.

-- 
-Konstantin Laufer Viesel  "El caballo viejo no puede perder la flor que le dan
[laufer@math.luc.edu]      porque despues de esta vida no hay otra oportunidad"
Loyola University Chicago	                                  -- Simon Diaz
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:38:38 GMT

CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Hugh Brodie (CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA)) wrote: 
->(Why should it take 3 more years? Why not immediately?)

because the rest of the world isn't in "instant gratification" mode.
as much as i hate cigarette smoke, airlines have to have time to
prepare their customers for the change ...

if i were a smoker, i'd hate to have to spend time LAX-{HKG,SYD,...}
without having a smoke.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Subject: Re: what frequent flyer program best for singapore airlines mileage
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:54:24 GMT

In article <Bw1KIF.D1G@news.iastate.edu>, bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K
Dalmia) writes:
> i'll be flying to singapore this winter on singapore airlines and would
> like to know what frequent flyer program to join. i know that they
> (singapore airlines) are partners with american and delta, but delta
> gives a free coach ticket after 40,000 miles !!! as opposed to all the
> other airlines at 20,000 and american says it'll credit singapore miles
> only if the fare is paid in full.
> 
> any tips??
> 
> -- 
> bipin k. dalmia               the other night i was lying on my bed, looking
> bipin@iastate.edu             up at the beautiful stars, and i said to
myself, 
> n2.bkd@isumvs.iastate.edu     'where the F*CK is my ROOF !!'
> --

Last year when I flew SQ to Hong Kong and back (to San Francisco),
twice, both times when I checkin'd at the counter in SF, the 
agent wouldn't take my American FF number.

After the two trips, I made copies of my tickets, and the 4 boarding
passes, mailed them into the American Airlines FF program address,
they had subsequently credited the mileage to my account.  I don't
know if they still do, but it's worth the 29-cent stamp.

I did the same to Delta, and all I got from Delta was that the tickets
were not of full value (Y-class) and therefore they did not give me
the credit.

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Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.dec.com
Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
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From: hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KANNO Hideo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:26:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo

In article   writes:
>From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
>Message-ID: <1992Oct9.210658.18927@PA.dec.com>
>In article <09OCT92.14425663.0075@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
>(Hugh Brodie (CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA)) writes:
>> If I am not mistaken, Cathay Pacific is the only smoke-free
>> international carrier at present.

>I beleive Cathay Pacific is only smoke-free between
>Vancouver/Hong Kong (vv), and Australia/Hong Kong (vv),
>at least for now.

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from "FAQ / Frequently Asked Questions for rec.travel.air/fj.rec.travel.air"

A-6. No-smoking International Flights^_^

Cathey Pacific Airways(CX, Hong Kong)
  from Hong Kong to Taipei, Kaoshung, Manila 
  Hong Kong<->Bangkok<->Singapore, Hong Kong<->Singapore<->Jakarta,
  Hong Kong<->Kuala Lompur<->Penang

China Airlines(CI, Republic of China/Taiwan)
  All South-East Flight EXCEPT TO/FROM JAPAN;_;

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From: tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon)
Subject: "Europe is Free" Travel award restrictions?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:08:50 GMT

I recently received a British Airways  "Europe is Free" Travel award.

THe restrictions for useage are: who the ticket is issued to (me), or
a person living at the address the ticket was issued to (my work address!),
with the same surname.

I called BA, and told them I was purchasing (for work) a full fare coach
ticket next Jan and wanted to use the  "Europe is Free" Travel award to
bring my sister over for a visit. Obviously she doesn't live at my
work address, nor my home address, and has a different surname as she
took her husband's surname when she got married.

BA rep was pretty adamant about not being able to bend the restrictions.

Anyone else run into these restrictions and figured out a way around them?

Too bad my sister doesn't work with me, and didn't keep her own name when
she married.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: aap@cs.brown.edu (Andrea A. Pietracaprina)
Subject: Chicago-Seattle needed
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:22:51 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend.

I need a round-trip ticket from Chicago to Seattle for the end of
october. Chicago-S. Francisco would be good, as well. If you have
any ticket or coupon you can't use please let me know by replying to
aap@cs.brown.edu. Thanx.

-andrea
From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: do babies have jet-lag??
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:10:41 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Sep24.081010.29166@watson.ibm.com> mer@zurich.ibm.com writes:

>In  <1992Sep24.050345.1783@news.iastate.edu>  bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K Dalmia) writes:
>> i got into this big discussion at a party today. i claimed that since
>> babies do not have very regular eating and sleeping habits, they are
>> less likely to suffer from jet-lag than adults. i'm positive reading
>> about this somewhere, so if someone can guide me to a reference, i'd
>> appreciate it.
>>
>  Younger people seem to adjust better than older, but babies are quite
>cranky and irritable for about 2 days after an 8 hour flight.

My son (age 7 months) showed no such behaviour after either of his long
flights - London Tokyo and v.v. - nor after a much shorter flight
(Manchester - Thessaloniki and v.v.) about 3 hrs. On both occasions we
got a bulkhead seat and a bassinet (cot) attached to the bulkhead. He
slept and played throughout the flight(s) and was a model passenger.
Maybe he isnt typical though because he's pretty placid all the time
anyway, and even at home he tends to be quite flexible about when he eats
and sleeps. 

Anyway, dont beleive mer@zurich's posting - age <1 is THE BEST time to
travel with a kid!
From: dgrove@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Dan D Grove)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flight to Cuba from USA
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:07:30 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <2ADDD4E6.3915@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen) writes:
>In article <ldrcjpINNg99@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni) writes:
>>Hi,
>>I would like to go to Cuba/Havana from the US but with relations
>US Airlines are not allowed to fly to Cuba.  One alternative is
>to fly to Mexico City and handle everything there....

When I was in Merida, Mexico (on the yucatan peninsula about 200 miles
west of cancun), there were many travel agencies offering airfares
(in english) to Havana. in addition, there were boat trips from the
northern shore of the peninsula, if i remember correctly.

all of this is subject to faulty memory, of course.

-dan 

-- 
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Phone: (713) 524-6571       |       Dept. of Computer Science
Fax: (713) 285-5136         |       Houston, TX  77251-1892
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Best Timetables (US and Others)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:27:54 GMT

In <1992Oct14.134437.13422@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

>In article <sjones.719064342@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:
>>I'm willing to put up the October US Air timetable they are handing
>>out in Ottawa as among the worst.  I imagine this one is also
>>available at all US Air outlets and this might not be the firts time
>>they have done this (my last US Air tt is from spring 92).  Maybe
>>other US airlines do they same?  There are NO connecting flights
>>listed.  Instead US Air gives you a half page of instructions on how
>>to construct your own connecting flight.  They suggest, of course, 1)
>>fly to a hub, 2) fly from the hub, as the best way to do this.  

>Of course, you don't have to do this.  You can connect through *any*
>of the airports listed, including ones that are not hubs (Kansas City,
>for example).

That would be fine, but the timetabel cleraly says:

    Fares may vary depending on connecting airport.
From: schraudo@cs.ucsd.edu (Nici Schraudolph)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: for sale: one-way Denver -> San Diego in early December
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:18:06 GMT
Distribution: na

I have a one-way coach for sale from Denver nonstop to San Diego, male or
female.  Ticket is issued for Dec 7 (noon departure), but can be changed
for $25 within the week Dec 6 - 14.  Asking $80 o.b.o.

-- 
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Univ. of California, San Diego  |  And energy the child of hell:
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From: dgrove@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Dan D Grove)
Subject: Re: what frequent flyer program best for singapore airlines mileage
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:29:15 GMT

In article <Bw1KIF.D1G@news.iastate.edu> bipin@iastate.edu (Bipin K Dalmia) writes:
>i'll be flying to singapore this winter on singapore airlines and would
>like to know what frequent flyer program to join. i know that they
>(singapore airlines) are partners with american and delta, but delta
>gives a free coach ticket after 40,000 miles !!! 

As an aside, I was on a Delta flight last week where they were touting
their new and improved frequent flier program. The basic points (as I
remember them) are:

	-free flights after 30,000 miles
	-until sometime in april 1993, trans-atlantic/pacific flights
		other than those to India are 40,000 miles
	-the Medallion program now kicks in at 30,000 miles in a year
	-for Medallion members, a free flight costs just 20,000 miles
	-there is a new level called "Royal Medallion", which you
		qualify for at 60K miles in a year.

Just thought someone out there might be interested,

dan

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From: ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:51:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Cabin airflow revisited
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air

Maybe fresh air flow rate per passenger is a more relevant figure. Or maybe
someone could monitor the CO2 levels in the cabin.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Layover at Singapore - what does one do?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:52:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.180306.22992@asl.dl.nec.com> murthy@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy) writes:
>
>   I am flying on Singapore Airlines between Los
>   Angeles and Calcutta via Singapore. I have a 7 hour
>   layover (between 1.30 am and 9 am). What could I
>   possibly see/do in Singapore other than just hanging
>   out at the Airport? Sightseeing seems out of the
>   question at those hours. 
>

Unfortunately this may not apply to you, but for transit passengers arriving
at more decent hours, there are 2-hour bus tours from Changi airport just
for transit passengers.  I don't know whether these tours are available in
the middle of the night.

One thing you might consider doing is sleeping.  There are day rooms at the
airport for naps.  I realize that when you're passing through someplace new,
the last thing you want to do is sleep, but consider it as an option.

Wayne

-----------
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From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Flight to Cuba from USA
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:29:59 GMT

reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni) writes:
>Hi,
>I would like to go to Cuba/Havana from the US but with relations
>being what they are I am not sure if you can go.  perhaps from
>Miami or do I need to fly out of US.  Has any Yank flown to Cuba.
>Know about bringing US dollars into Cuba (I beleive there is no
>exchange here).  There is no Cuban consulate here either so i have
>no idea where and if I can get a proper visa.
>
>Cheers,
>reno

  Well, first of all, it is illegal for a U.S. citizen to travel to Cuba due
to the current embargo we have with Cuba.  As a result, there are no flights
from the US to Cuba, although American has asked for authority to serve the 
route if and when the embargo is lifted.

  However, there are flights from Canada to Cuba.  (I don't know the details
of where they leave from, etc.)  And, I have also heard that in order to 
encourage Americans to visit Cuba, Cuban customs and immigrations officials
will (if you ask them) not stamp your passport with a Cuban entry/exit stamp,
so your visit cannot be traced by passport stamps.

Greg

-- 
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Greg Lyon		             	         Student Union Attorney General
gl1@cec2.wustl.edu			                       Clinton/Gore '92 
Washington University in St. Louis - Site of the First 1992 Presidential Debate
From: madabusv@cse.fau.edu (Vasudhevan Madabushi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: EXTRA CHARGE FOR CHARGING TO A CREDIT CARD
Keywords: extra charge
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:03:44 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

Hi Nettors,

I don't know if this is a FAQ.  Nevertheless I would be glad if someone
can clarify on this matter.  I am planning on a trip to India this 
december and to my surprise I have found that invariably every travel
agent charges an additional 3-4% on the air fare if I were to charge the
ticket on a charge/credit card.  Is this a general practice or being
done illegally by the agents without the approval of the respective 
credit card companies?

I would also be grateful if someone can give their opinion about Malaysian
Airlines and their service.  I have a halt of 9hrs at Kuala Lampur and would
like to know about the formalities of getting a transit visa.

Thanx in advance
Vasudhevan Madabushi   
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