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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Steve Young bashing
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:14:51 GMT

In article <C0pFsq.79M@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>First, let me clarify that I am a Cowboy fan and that what I have to
>say has nothing to do with my wanting to see Dallas face a lesser
>quarterback next Sunday.
>
>Now, I can't believe the criticism that Young has received from 9er
>fans on this group.  One game, in one game, he fumbles more than he
>has the whole season (if I'm not mistaken).

Well, *I* am a 49ers fan, and I've been disgusted at the criticism
Young has received. Of his four turnovers, two were absolute flukes
that have nothing to do with his abilities, one was due to a good
play by the defense, and the last one (the interception) was admittedly 
a truly stupid pass on Young's part (and he knew it, as the cameras 
showed him pounding his head after the play). Don't forget, the fumble
where he slipped and got back up came after a beautiful run, and he
had several other nice runs on a treacherous field. And he led the
49ers to nearly 300 yards in offense in the first half; if I'm not
mistaken he only had three or four incomplete passes in the first half.
True, he had a poor second half, but doesn't anyone think that maybe,
just maybe, the Redskins' defense had something to do with that?

We all know what Young can do; he's performed pretty consistently all
season long. Just because he had one off half is no reason to think that
he has lost it.

P.S. - I am also a big Joe Montana/Steve Bono fan. In fact, at the
beginning of the season I was unhappy that the 49ers were playing Young
instead of Bono. But right now, Young is the man, and I'm behind him
all the way.

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From: bsmith@crustacean.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL STIKES AGAIN!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:05:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.182732.13056@colorado.edu> loucks@csn.org (Lord Vader) writes:
>re: Hamish and his nonsense.
>
>>So all you ignoramuses out there,before you flame me, try and think
>>of an intelligent point to make first, if that's possible for a bunch
>>of couch potatoes....
>>Football Players Are Dickless
>
>I see.  So we should all try to make an intelligent point, like yours
>there referring to dickless.  Let's knock this crap off....<deleted>

Maybe Hamish means that football players are *women*! You know, like "A 
League of Their Own," but for football. Well, who can say? Centuries of
inbreeding and a large population of sheep  give us postings like Hamish's! 
Still, it was good for a yuk or two. Way ta go, Hamish!

Bruce Smith



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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: recent Buffalo-Pittsburgh scores
Reply-To: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Organization: Franco's Italian Army
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:01:53 GMT


Can someone e-mail me the scores and sites of the Bill-Steelers games of
the last 2 or 3 seasons?  I'll post them if anyone else is interested;
it's just that I don't read r.f.s.p.
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: most playoff wins
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:02:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <gfIkw6O00WDKE=YFJq@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>
>
>
>when was the second time SD lost in a conference Championship game?
>Everybody knows the '81 loss to the Bengals. What's the other?
>
>--Vernon.

In 1980 when they lost 34-27 to the wild card Oakland Raiders (who went
on to win the S.B.).  They won the division that year with 11-5 record
but would've probably faced a tough opponent in the Eagles and their
second rank defense had they advanced past the championship.

satish nair
giants 


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From: scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
Subject: Re: Unlikely Hero: Brian Mitchell
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:27:22 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

>>
>DITTO! DITTO!

>>Prediction:  If Young hasn't moved the niners by the
>>second possesion of the second half, Montana will trot
>>out.  
>>
>I don't think so! You saw what Cunnigham and Reich did
>this past weekend. 

Wrong.  I saw every play.  I think the Bills and Eagles games
were great.  In over 30 years of playing (I'm 37, now), then watching football,
I can say the Bill's game was the most exciting game I've ever
seen.  The Eagles game wasn't _as_ exciting, but it showed off
the patented Herbert choke for all to see.

>YOUNG is capable of pulling it
>out in the second half if they are done 30+ points. IMHO, the 
>only scenario of Montana trotting out to the field is under two 
>possibilities:

>	1. Young is injured
>	2. The score is 35-3 and there is only 4 minutes left
>	   in the game. :-)

>Scenario #1 is the most likely. :-)

I don't think so.  I think the SF crowd will boo their heads off
if the 'skins are leading into the second half.   They'll chant
Mon-TAN-A, Mon-TAN-A... or JOE, JOE, JOE!  After the last Monday
night game, if Joe came out and gave turds to the crowd, they'd
cheer.  

>I want the Niners to win and so is everyone that is a Niners
>fan. DUH! :-) That said, I want nothing more than to have
>the Cowboys trot into to Candlestick to play football in
>a real football field. :-)  DROOOOOLLLLLL!

That'd be nice, too.  I see no disadvantage in the Cowboys playing
on grass, though.  
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More Predictions
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:31:39 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <27000213@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com writes:

> All this talk about the SF D sucking compared to Dallas is a joke.  For the 

  I agree.  Who says they suck?

> Its actually to SF's advantage if Dallas goes into this over confident.  I
> hope all the Dallas players are licking their chops when they think about the
> lousy SF team they are about to play.  They could be in for the shock of 
> their lives. 

  I doubt *anyone* with a brain thinks the 9ers suck.  Certainly not the Cow-
boys.  I have seen people say why they believe Dallas is better, bu not that
SF sucks.  I'm sure someone will before the day is out, just to prove me wrong!


semper fi,

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Yes, I'm still alive
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:50:35 GMT

Sorry the regular season results have still not yet been posted.  I will try
to at least have some unofficial results posted today or tomorrow.  There
are 54 messages to "fbproblem" which need to be dealt with and there are
always a bunch of screwed up entries that have to be dealt with.  However,
I will run the grader and post (aproximate) results asap.

Again, sorry for the lameness of this pool the last 5 weeks.
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Subject: Elvis to appear in Superbowl?
From: steve eliason <MV013374@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:57:14 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

   I heard a rumor that Elvis is supposed to make a special appearance
in the Superbowl this year in celebration of his 58th birthday!  He will
be singing the "National Anthem".  I can't wait!!!!! :)


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From: hammond@grizzly.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Hammond)
Subject: WANTED: Bills-Oilers game tape
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:47:24 GMT


Hi, my brother is a big Bills fan.   He would really love a tape
of the Bills-Oilers game.  If you have one and would be interesting
in sending a copy to him, send him e-mail.  He'll pay postage
and cost of the tape.  Any other arrangements can be worked out.
His email is "shammond@ecosys.com".

Thanks!

    Steve H.

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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: More Predictions
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:05:11 GMT

<1ivgsbINNqqn@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
><27000213@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com writes:
>> All this talk about the SF D sucking compared to Dallas is a joke.  For the 
>
>  I agree.  Who says they suck?

You have to have read many of the other posts to understand the
mentality involved here.  The "Montana is god" thread is a good
example, or the "Rice is the best ever" stuff.  You see, if you
disagree about Rice or Montana being the best ever in their positions
it obviously means that you think they are dog-meat, or just horrible
crappy players.  As a Dallas fan for 3 decades I'm well aware of the
mind-set that says if you are not the SB winner you are nothing.  This
carries over into other areas.

So keep in mind that when you say "such-and-such team has a better defense
than SF" to the SF fan you just said "the SF defense sucks".


Gordon
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:36:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.191522.2505@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>current score:  Oilers  35  Bills  3
>
>Moon and company are in total control of this game.
>Does anyone want a play by play?

Not really. We all now know that the Bills won 41-38. Who would have ever
thought? I was listening to the game on the radio while I was working and
when the Bills started scoring I had a feeling it would turn out the way it
did. I could not believe it. I like the Bills and the Oilers both. I was
hoping, for Moon's sake, that the Oilers would win. I don't know how much
longer he will be around. Hopefully he will get a chance next year.

GO COWBOYS!!

Eric


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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: San Diego in the AFC Championship Game ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:37:13 GMT

In article YFJq@andrew.cmu.edu,  Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 12-Jan-93 Re: most playoff
>wins Gidi Avrahami@Hilbert.St (2577)
>
>>   Total records in Conference Championship games (1970-1992)
>> ==========================================================
>> Tampa_Bay       0  1 0.000   San_Diego       0  2 0.000 
>
>
>when was the second time SD lost in a conference Championship game?
>Everybody knows the '81 loss to the Bengals. What's the other?
>
>--Vernon.

The previous year, at home, to the (then) Oakland Raiders ...


Bob

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From: bll@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Brad Loney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Grass field at 49er's
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:55:30 GMT
Organization: Loral WDL

In article <1993Jan12.152242.3409@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>, dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) writes:
> 
> In article <1itigrINNcrb@male.EBay.Sun.COM> greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg) writes:
> >
> >I just saw on the local (SF) news that they are replacing the
> >torn up grass at Candlestick.  The groundskeeper said that they
> >are removing the blugrass (destroyed Sat.) with new bermuda
> >grass.
> >
> >Is this legal?
> 
> According to KGO Radio (flagship station of the 49ers) this morning,
> 24,000 sq of new sod arrived at the Stick at 6am today (1/12/93).
> All the sod between the hashmarks will be replaced if possible.
> The grass is a combination of bermuda and rye - which was recommended
> by Tomo, the expert groundskeeper of the NFL (used to/still does
> work for the KC Chiefs).
> 
How good can a groundskeeper from the KC Cheifs be ?  Don't the Cheifs play
on artificial turf ?

Not so soon you Dallas hopefulls...

Emmitt will stall in the muck of the Stick.  The back of Aikman's jersey will
so dirty, you won't be able to read his number. 

The 49ers will return for a nother superbowl for a ring for the thumb.
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is the run-and-shoot finished?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:01:01 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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It's one thing to not run the ball but why did the oilers start passing for 
two and three yards ? last time I looked Lo White could get you 3 yards
a pop without putting the ball in the air.

Plain & Simple, bad coaching, bad play calling and a system doomed to fail.
If I know the Oilers, they wont change a thing, as long as Bottom Line Bud
Adams sells tickets he just don't care. 
To Oilers fans: 
if you want to see a Oilers game next year you better by tickets cause
they aint gonna be on TV, hell they can't sellout when the're winning. Two
people I work with already gave up their season tickets this morning....

I bet they sell alot of Cowboys hats this week in Houston.....

GO Cowboys !!!!
tim
From: timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:38:57 GMT
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Another update to the game at the Stick...

Weather forcast for Saturday: Cold Windy and very Rainy...

	Tim
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From: jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin)
Subject: Cortez Kennedy - AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:04:16 GMT

A glimmer from an otherwise abysmal Seahawk season.  Here's the rundown in
the voting...

Cortez Kennedy	33
Junior Seau	12
Clyde Simmons	 6
Wilber Marshall	 6
Rickey Jackson	 3
Bruce Smith	 3
Leslie O'Neal	 3
Chris Doleman	 2
Reggie White	 2
Wayne Martin	 2
Audray McMillan	 2
Ray Childress	 2
Pat Swilling	 1
Charles Haley	 1
Bryan Cox	 1
Seth Joyner	 1



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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:57:06 GMT

In article <1ise3eINNfof@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>In article <C0oH8t.MH@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
> >What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
> >he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
> >the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). I
> >guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
> >Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
> >such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
> >free agency.
>
>This will be known as the Al Davis rule. What a crock of shit, this move 

Don't let your hatred of Davis blind you. Art Rooney of the Steelers asked to 
have it put in the contract according to the S.F. Chronicle on sunday. It is 
true that Al Davis is involved in the negotiating. 

As a extra comment, the Chronicle said that it will be "known as the Rooney
rule."

>was done to keep Reggie White from Dallas and San Fran. If you notice on 
>the post game show on NBC Davis did mention that the Cowboys and Niners 
>could not get Reggie but his beloved asswipes the Raiders could. It's ok, 
>Dallas wouldn't give up the money our disrupt the defense we have for him.
>It really is sad that this washed up old acidhead from the 60's can still 
>affect the rules of the game in the 90's.
>
>Al Davis, get a life, and get the hell out of the NFL !
>Nothing personal raiders fans but Al Davis SUCKS.

Go ahead. Kick him while he's done. He likes it.

>
>tim


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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: Eagles Report -- Hmmm.
Keywords: Philadelphia 36, New Orleans 20
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:35:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.231445.1906@wheaton.wheaton.edu> klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett) writes:
>Note:  The following comes from a die-hard Eagles fan
>       with his feet on the ground.
>
>In their recent game against the Saints, the Eagles were,
>well, lucky.  Very poor play in the first half put them
>in a position that they don't normally pull out of.  
>In the second half, the defense came on strong to force 
>some turnovers, and a few big scores by the offense gave
>them the game.  
>
>This "game plan" will not work against the Cowboys.  Big
>plays are wonderful, but are no substitute for a consistent
>offense, which the Eagles simply have not really had since
>the beginning of the season.  A turnover-hungry defense loses
>the gamble more often than it wins.  The Saints offense, 
>along with the coaching staff, gave the Eagles the kind of
>plays they needed to turn the game around.  Don't count on
>the Cowboys making the same mistakes.  
>
>Unless the Eagles play well from the first quarter on, I
>must give this game to Dallas.  The Eagles can certainly beat
>the Cowboys, as we saw earlier this year, but they have to
>play the entire game well.
>
>					. . . the Mantis
>					      (Evinrood)
>
>

Ok...all kidding aside...I concede this one.  If the Eagles play well all 4
quarters...they can beat anyone.  That is my fear of the Eagles.  The Rams
showed what a well-played game can do (although they still could have lost
that game...but hey..they suck).  If the Eagles remember Herschel (you know
the big guy who runs like he has the runs or something) and use him like a
running back (not like a play-action dummy) then the Eagles have a good
chance.  And of course...Randall...nothing needs to be said about Randall...
all he has to do is show up (as a QB not as a RB).  Hell, the Eagles only
need to play well for 3 quarters...the Cowboys are always willing to lend a
hand for a quarter.  Sheesh..kids!

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From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: steve walsh deal
Organization: YO-YO DYNE PROPULSION 
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:39:04 GMT

greetings netters,

forgive me for bringing up an old thread, but could someone clarify
a few things about the steve walsh (DAL->NO) deal?

1)  who was the overall #1 selected the year after the cowboys went
    1-15?

2)  who did JJ select with his pick(s?) from NO?

in sort of a related issue ... do saint fans consider it a good trade?
i mean, if walsh was really THAT good ... why isn't he playing?

btw, i consider JJ to be one shrewd judge of talent and am just wondering
if this trade was a total bust, or what?

thanks,

james
  
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From: richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson)
Subject: Re: TOO TALL JONES PLAYS BASEBALL???!!!!
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:09:36 GMT

jlevy@hamp.hampshire.edu wrote:

: okay, you all aren't going to belive this, but a friend of mine swears that Ed
: "Too Tall" Jones, late of the Dallas Coyboys, also played Major League
: Baseball. and won't admit his foolish error. So, we leave it to you, football
: netters. Tell my friend what's up in the world and that there is no way a DE
: could play baseball.
: thanks a lot
: Jon Levy

Too Tall didn't play baseball.  He left football for the boxing ring in
1979, he went 6-0, then he came back to the gridiron the next year.

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