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From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Faces of death
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Date: 13 Aug 1992 14:50:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
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In article <1992Aug12.232159.4258@zip.eecs.umich.edu> stame@emunix.emich.edu 
(Stewart Tame) writes:

>As long as we're on the subject of snuff film wannabes, anyone seen the
>Amok Assault Video?  (or however the title of that goes.)  Lots of found
>footage from various TV and movies including one on-camera suicide from a
>news program (probably the footage was never aired.)  


You're probably referring to the suicide of Pennsylvania state treasurer
Bud Dwyer.  He was caught dipping into the state funds and blew his head
off with a long-barrelled .357 magnum at a live-televised press conferenece.
Rumor has it that his wife and kids were watching at home.  Many stations
around the country broadcast the whole thing on their own news programs.

I missed this footage when the event occurred, but I recently saw a video
called "TV Sphincter" that featured it as the finale.  I was rather miffed,
however, at the unnecessary wear and tear that I subjected the rewind
motor of my VCR to, just before I discovered that the sequence is included on
the tape seven times in a row.  (Incidentally, an ad for the film can be
found in Film Threat Video Guide.)

Q:  What's the difference between Bud Dwyer and Bud Light?
A:  Bud Light has a head.



Geoff


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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: snopes-busters and the ghosts of the lyric
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Aug14.042108.3406@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>                                                         ..
>Derek "Didn't they once make a record in the shape of a Mobius strip" Tearne

No, but they did make records of Moby Grape.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,nyc.general
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Re: Whither Manhattan? (was Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?)
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:37:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.183216.10375@engage.pko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
>In article <Aug.19.11.10.32.1992.14120@math.rutgers.edu>, janowsky@math.rutgers.edu (Steven Janowsky) writes...
>>In article <=2fytf=@rpi.edu> kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
>
>>>  Anyone have a good reference for this? Are Governor's, Ellis and Liberty 
>>> Islands also considered part of Manhattan Borough?
>
>>Certainly not Liberty Island since THAT is part of New Jersey!
>
>Gee, did NY and NJ have a war that NY lost or something?  Every map I've
>seen showed Liberty Island as being part of NY (State, at least), despite
>being on the NJ side of a line drawn down the middle of the river.
>An exception of some sort, based on some ancient treaty or war or something.
>Probably the same reason Staten Island is part of NY despite being closer
>to NJ.
>
>Anyone know the story _why_ Liberty Island belongs to NY?

Actually, Liberty Island is disputed territory.  NJ and NY have been dis-
puting over the island ever since the Statue of Liberty got planted there.
(It belonged to NJ before the Statue arrived, and then suddenly NY claimed
it.  NJ has been protesting ever since.)


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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Faces of death
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:52:23 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

hsr4@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> A marked increase in work happened to HSR4 (or, as a dyslexic Bill might have
> it, HRS4) - up to 16 hours a day since around Feb makes for very little spare
> time to go looking for the kind of snuff evidence which would appease some
> AFUers, or to do much more than skim through the newsgroups.
> 
> I received some friendly advice about looking to obtain snuff material
> (I can't afford the L2000 which some sources quote) which has forced me to
> slacken my efforts, but I'm still around and still looking, - and still amused
> by the logic which some AFUers apply to the test for existence or not of snuff;
> it doesn't matter what the experienced grass roots say, if senior bureaucrats 
> and computerised legal judgements don't yield a positive result, some AFUers
> take that to be the final verdict (and assume that their text retrieval skills
> are beyond question).

     Hey hsr4, during one of the previous Snuff Wars (tm), you stated
you had evidence in hand.  Why are you still looking?

     For the record, your claim was that you couldn't post the info,
for to do so would break some law or collection thereof.  Yes, I'm
sure of this.  In between the snoping and such under which you
suffered, I posted a small little thing asking *how* you knew snuff
films were real.  My comment was that you'd have to produce evidence
not limited to the "my friend the police officer said so" variety you
had offered up to that point.  Regarding such evidence, you replied,
"It's in hand."

     Sorry to inject an exact quote into this newsgroup.
-- 
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: urban folklore?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:31:18 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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>  +I thought that urban folklore meant believing that goldfishes actually 
>  +lived through the toilet-flush experience ....

They had to shut down The Toilet Flush Experience when the amusement park
got sued after a kid was bitten by a water moccasin.  

Seriously... I don't know if goldfish can survive the nickel tour of
Sewerville.  But when I lived in Chicago, it was common knowledge (does
THAT trigger your BS detector, or what) that the carp in park lagoons,
specifically Humboldt Park, were nothing more than ordinary goldfish
released by their owners and grown enormous.  Fact or folklore?

Joe "The lagoon was not connected to the sewer -- just smelled like it" Chew
From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Co-ed Dorms!
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:40:10 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland


Gee, you lot should take a look at McGill. I visited there a couple
of years ago. the 'Co-ed' floor in the building meant that the
rooms alternated, male, female. The washroom was just that. If a 
guy was taking a leak in a urinal, fine and dandy, no one cared.
Sinks, side by side and so on. But there were not enough propper
bogs, IMHO. 

As for the showers, there were two, side by side, then another room with
a third. (Hope I got this right) If you heard a shower goung, you
called. Depending on the gender of the voice that called back, you chose
your shower. It worked out like a close family group, from what I saw. 
Everyone respected everyone. Why can't more places be like that?
Nice and open _and_ respectable!

Andrew
amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Faces of death
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:00:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug13.205836.13295@sunova.ssc.gov>, chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuck Adams) writes:

> WHO set this as the "official" criteria for snuff films?

I set the criteria.  It's in the charter of the group:

                               AFU CHARTER
                        Paragraph 32/Article 214
        "Woody get's to decide what's a snuff and what's not.  So there."

        
Seriously, the very first time I heard about the concept of a "snuff film"
was when I was in college getting my MS in CS.  My friend Blaise told me
about these people that a friend of a friend knew who when to this theater
late at night to view these films where actors were actually killed!

They paid big bucks to see these films because:  The murders were real!
They were sick puppies who got their jollies seeing real murders.

Note that there was no mention of any sex (or drugs or rock-n-roll) so I've
never thought about Snuff as being involved with porno.

> Is there a "Snuff Film Qualifying Criteria Review Board?"

Yea, they give "S" ratings to the films that qualify as Snuff. ;-)

Terry "The Woodster" Wood
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"There should have been only one. I want my money back!"  - Terry
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.electronics
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Subject: Re: SHOCKING STORIES
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:58:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.200613.23247@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.193416.25072@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
> 
> >A housemate in college used this technique to 'drink' liquid nitrogen.
> >He put  it  *into*  his  mouth and  as  it started down his  throat it
> >expanded  and vapor  came  gushing out of his  nose  and mouth!  Quite
> >an impressive trick for parties!
> >					reb
> 
> Working with LN2 myself on a daily basis, I'm forced to wonder "how did
> he avoid suffering frostbite on his tongue, etc.?"  While most of the
> liquid will go gaseous, some must first come in contact with exposed
> oral flesh.

Actually, it doesn't - the LN2 boils as soon as it gets into contact
with your breath. 

I've tried it myself, and it feels pretty weird, but *not* especially
cold. Swallowing it produces enormous flatulence, though (when the
nitrogen boils inside your stomach) - or so they say, fortunately I
avoided that.

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From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Family sues Kraft after finding mouse in syrup bottle
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 09:25:23 GMT

I couldn't believe this when I found it on our local paper, but here
goes:

  Tuesday, August 18, 1992               Austin American-Statesman  B3

     Associated Press

   WICHITA FALLS - A North Texas family has filed suit against Kraft 
   General Foods Inc., claiming they were made sick by a mouse found  
   in  a bottle  of  Log  Cabin syrup.
      According to the suit filed Friday in Wichita Falls, the Douglas
   Lynn family of Electra, about 20 miles northwest of Wichita Falls,   
   found the mouse during a pancake breakfast last February.
     Lynn's wife, Delores, found the mouse after the family had noticed
   a peculiar odor at breakfast. They originally thought the cat's 
   litter box was the cause of the smell and moved the box outdoors. 
   The odor persisted.
     Lynn's son complained that the pancakes the family had just eaten
   tasted strange. A second batch of   pancakes proved to be no better.
   Delores Lynn examined the bottle of syrup and found a whole mouse,
   the lawsuit said. "It was there when we opened the bottle, I know 
   that," she said. "And after we had eaten it."
      But  Glenview,  Ill.-based  Kraft General  Foods  says  they  have
   found no evidence to show that the family's bottle was contaminated
   at the company's processing plant in Chicago. "Based on the
   information we have been given, we strongly doubt that the contamination
   occurred in  our  processing  facility,"  said Nan Redmond, a spokeswoman 
   for General  Foods  USA,  the  parent company of General Foods Inc.
   Redmond said the  family has turned down several requests by General Foods 
   to have the bottle examined either by the company or a third-party 
   laboratory. "It's  been  a  little frustrating," she said. "It's very
   difficult to determine what the facts are." The Lynns, contacted Monday 
   by The Associated Press, insisted they had cooperated with General Foods, 
   even providing samples of the syrup to the company. But they said they 
   refused the company's request for the bottle at the advice of attorneys.
   "Our attorneys advised us not to give up the bottle," Delores Lynn said.
      Court records say the Lynns experienced stomach spasms, acute gastritis 
   and migraine headaches as a result of their breakfast, incurring medical 
   expenses of $175.24. The Lynns are seeking an undisclosed amount in 
   damages for the "great mental anguish."

jam
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Faces of death
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:43:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BsvKD8.881@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (doc) writes:

> the scenes in FoD are recreations, but there is a clip at the end of one
> of them in which a girl is murdered on film for the sole purpose of making
> a training video for the other cultists.  Yes, the girl was kidnapped and
> killed for the =sole= reason of murdering her for a video.  I believe that
> fits the definition of a snuff film that has been used in this newsgroup.
> The filmmakers said it was real, that the FBI had found the film in a
> bedroom in the raided house.

Can you get the FBI to confirm this?  Or did the film maker say that the
FBI said this?  Some details on this "murder" (names, charges, court dates,
outcomes) would make for interesting reading.

Terry "Hemlock Stones of the Net" Wood
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"There can be only one!"                                  - The Highlander
"There should have been only one. I want my money back!"  - Terry
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Mercury bike
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:03:08 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Here's a story I heard a few years ago.

Shortly after WWII, you could sell just about anything on the black market
in Germany.

In one of the chemical factories there, they were using mercury for
electrolysis of sodium chloride (ordinary salt) into chlorine and
sodium.

One of the workers found a way of stealing some of the mercury. He
filled the tubes of his bike with it. Because the mercury is so dense,
he could not ride the bike; he pushed it. Unfortunately, at the factory
gates, the bike fell down. One of the security guards wanted to be
helpful and tried to lift it up...

I have heard this story about both BASF in Ludwigshafen and CWH (now
Huels AG) in Marl.
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Zest (Re: Pure Soap)
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


In article <1992Aug15.135530.23258@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.195214.18790@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.072327.12443@wixer.cactus.org> guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery) writes:
>>>
>>>Is Zest lower in calories than Lifebouy?
>>
>>No, but it sure tastes like it.
>
>Well, I always fry mine in oil.

I just saw a flyer in a secretary's office that said :
"Put Zest in meals this summer !"

STF
--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
"He not only moved the goalposts, he dug up the pitch
   and took the ball home as well."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell)
Subject: Re: zest (re: pure soap)
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:31:22 GMT

Chuck Adams <chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov> writes:

>In article <1992Aug16.1303.30599@dosgate> "colin mcgregor"
><colin.mcgregor@canrem.com> writes:

>>I don't know that, but I do know that Zest is not a soap let
alone a
>>pure soap. Zest and all of these other products that talk about
how they
>>do not leave a soap film in their ads are detergents NOT soap
(chemically
>>quite differeent I gather). Why the marketting people don't just
come out
>>and say this is detergent not soap is the next question.

>Are you saying that some soaps are not detergents, but that no
detergents are
>soaps?
From what I remember from chem class, the difference stems from the
type of fat used to make the soap or detergent.  If I remember
right, fats/oils from an animal or vegetable produce a soap,
whereas detergents are made from fats/oils that are petroleum
based.  I won't bet on it, but I think it went something like that.-- 
                 
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From: rgm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Menke)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Semen, NOT sailors!
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:00:59
Organization: TEAM CS -- Making Tomorrow's Mistakes Today!
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In-reply-to: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu's message of Thu, 20 Aug 92 05:17:06 GMT

I once heard that Rod Stewart once made a record with three sides...

(Happy, now?)
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From: cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:15:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

amconn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> A friend of mine recently returned from Chicago said that she heard that some
> enterprising pharmacology students at a midwestern university had made,
> entirely for recreational purposes, transdermal slow-release patches for
> marijuana (a la Nicoderm). Has anyone else heard about this? Sounds
> like a UL

I know that there is a marijuana extract (called Marinol) which is
used to treat nausea in cancer patients.  But from what I understand,
it is not supposed to give you a high, and isn't much good at reducing
nausea either.

--Scott
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: wiml@milton.u.washington.edu (William Lewis)
Subject: Re: Just One Calorie...?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.062210.26582@news.iastate.edu> tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <2940046@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:
>>On the other hand, reading the list of ingredients is enough to make one
>>swear off diet sodas..... along with the warning in RED letters (rest of
>>the print is blue) that says "PHENYLKETONURICS: CONTAINS PHENYLALANINE"! 
>
>   This is what's in Nutrasweet.  If you have the genetic disease PKU, you
>DEFINITELY don't want to eat or drink anything like this with NS in it! 
>Results could be fatal!  There have also been some studies that suggest that
>pregnant women might be affected by taking in excessive amounts of Nutrasweet
>(maybe because of phenylalanine), but none of these have been proven yet.

  I also seem to remember hearing somewhere hat phenylalanine slows
down your brain waves, or slows your brain activity, or maybe
if you feed it to pregnant pigeons they'll explode ... it was 
a while ago... and besides, I've been drinking the sludgy stuff,
so my brain waves are probably slowed down. Yeah, that's a good
excuse ... it's all the phenylalanine's fault  ...


  Wim "Flatline" Lewis


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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Political ULs
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:27:56 GMT

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

>Could be.  I've never actually seen him in person and those Coke
>commercials that combine living stars with dead ones are getting pretty
>convincing.   Has anyone on the net actually _seen_ Dan Quayle with
>their own eyes?  I always thought he was invented to give the late night
>comedians good monologue material.

I haven't, but I have two friends (not FOAFs) who did at Quincy Market
in Boston, possibly coincidentally on the day of a large Jerry Brown rally
on Boston Common way back when Jerry Brown was a major Democratic contender.
They even had a nice little interaction with Quayle.  He walked up to one
of them, who was eating a bratwurst, and amiably asked "Whatcha got there?"
The one with the bratwurst was actually a Canadian citizen, prompting the
other to say, "You can't talk to him!"  "Why not?" asked Dan.  "Because
he's Canadian!"  Quayle seemed (quite understandably) confused at this
point, and walked off to hobnob with other members of the populace.

If I ever meet Dan Quayle, I promise not to toss non sequiturs at him.

-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Just One Calorie...?
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:19:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.213121.23198@rchland.ibm.com>, jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:
>   The teller informed me that certain Diet colas claims
> about having "just one calorie" were false... [etc]
> 
>    This instantly reeked of UL - I checked a can - it said
> "one calorie per 5 oz. serving."

I think you've answered your own question.  Who drinks a 5 oz. serving
from a 12 oz. can?  Sounds to me like they *really* wanted to stick
with the ``1 calorie'' number (which is perhaps a throw-back to the
days of sodium cyclamate or saccharin), so they diddled the serving
size in this age of aspartame.

Btw -- I don't believe the story; the Federal agency involved (the FDA)
wouldn't settle for a puny ongoing fine, as opposed to a restraining
order.
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