From: dphantom@triton.unm.edu (darlene an  92sep02 lawry)
Subject: Re: Advanced Strategy vs Guile and Ken/Ryu
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>	Sounds to me like your basic case of "Sore-Pops-itis".  I'm a    
>	grumpy old man and I can't win at Streetfighter.  Cry me a river.
>	Boo Hoo.  These kids today have no respect.  So they can't fight
>	their own battles?  Well it sounds like they fought their own battle
>	well enough not only to beat you the first round but with enough
>	confidence to pass it on to their buddies!  They suffer the same
>	"disadvantage" as you do by "not being used to whoever they might 

acutally, that's not true...they at least get to watch the first battle.
I'm sure you might be saying "oh gosh, that's not much help", but it
is (at least to me).  I usually sit back and watch the players for nearly
a half an hour before playing, and when I do, I do much better than if I
walk in and play.  I get to see their techinques and weaknesses...that's
what the first round is all about.  Why do you think they have 3 rounds,
not 1?


>	be playing at the moment".  The only unfairness I can see here is
>	you not being fair to yourself by admitting that maybe these guys
>	are just a lot better than you are.  

Again, not true.  With about 90% of these people, I can beat them if
allowed to play against them for the full duration.  Switching off  
*does* give you an advantage...of course, if they both suck, it really
makes little difference.  If they're both good, then suddenly, they've
erased all the weaknesses and techinques used by one by replacing him/
her with a fresh opponent.  Why SHOULD this be considered fair?  Why
should they be allowed to get a break from play so that they can come
back the third round?  Why should they be given a full round in between
to watch me, and come up with a method to beat me?  It's not like I
get the same time to think/rest/whatever...no, I'm busy trying to 
UNLEARN what I did 3 seconds ago, and RELEARN this guy.  Sure, you have
to do that between games, but at least I have a longer time to 
regroup between players, and I know I'll have 3 rounds to learn to
fight this new person.

You'll just have to deal with 
>	it and grow up.  Sometimes I'll just move the joystick and let my 
>	friends hit the buttons!  Ha Ha!  If I come up against a real loser
>	I occasionaly play using only one hand!  If this may sound             
>	"disrespectful" -- tough!  In SF2 you get respect by earning it on 
>	the machine, I owe you nothing.  Bottom line - If you aren't good 
>	enough to win (by whatever means at your disposal) then you lose.
>	I can't think of anything so simple that quite so many people have 
>	a problem understanding.  You don't like it?  Improve and win.
>	Otherwise, please don't whine... Whining is the mark of the true
>	loser.
>
>	Seth Killian

Yes, and I will grant free second rounds upon request (at least, I haven't
turned down one yet...I consider it good practice).  And sometimes
I'll play with my eyes closed.  Often, I will never throw.  Big deal.
But I will not
respect anyone who doesn't beat me fairly, and just as the game was
designed to allow ticks (yes, ticks bother me, but oh well), the game
WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED MINIMUM OF TWO ROUNDS.  And there is a reason
for it...think about it.  It's not a question of how good I am or they
are, the fact is, it gives them an unfair advantage, and one that wasn't
intended by the designers of the game.  

Perhaps it is these people who need to quit whining and just get better
at the game, instead of calling in their "big brother" to come beat
me up, eh?

---Phantom
(who finds it hard to improve to beat an opponent when not allowed to
fight them for the full duration)