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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: California Exodus
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:45:44 GMT

In article 1d3e@terapin.com, sam@terapin.com (Sam Lewit) writes:
>In article <Bu2GrB.9pM@wrs.com>, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
>>Good!  I'm just going to wait it out...why bother moving to a less
>>crowded place, when I can just wait for the Bay Area to empty out?
>
>The problem with that theory, I think, is that all the decent, honest, hard
>working people are leaving. The junkies, derelicts and welfare recipients will
>not be able to relocate.

The junkies, derelicts, and welfare recipients will find opportunities
to take many of the jobs that are being vacated by the decent, honest,
hard working people, and thereby stop being junkies, derelicts, and
welfare recipients and become decent, honest, hard working people, at
least in your eyes.

And before someone goes off about how they won't be educated enough to
take the jobs, I'll point out that not everybody in the Bay Area is in
a high-tech position like most of us on Usenet are.

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From: pld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Paul Dineen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:31:14 GMT
Subject: Re: California Exodus
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.california

 A newspaper item from a month or two ago reported that a $1400 U-HAUL 
 rental from the Bay Area to Denver goes for about $200 back to 
 California.  (My most recent address was Santa Clara.)
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: california (without drivers license)
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:18:28 GMT
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Organization: N.I.C.E.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Sam Lewit writes:
>But you also have to take into account that Amtrak hasn't had the money to buy

They have never had the money, & they have always had the money.
Remember the Richmond station is new. Besides, the Oakland station
looks like it has been a sinkhole for money, to keep it from falling in
on itself.  Wouldn't they have been better off at a siding in Berkeley?
It was long before my time here, but it seems likely to me that
a little Oakland political muscle-flexing got that AMTRAK station sited
in a totally decrepit wasteland, far from any other public transportation
in the area (inter-city bus, BART, plane, or hiway).  
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Dizzeyland and Eco/History
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:20:36 GMT
Distribution: na,local

In article <dsew.716534239@well.sf.ca.us> dsew@well.sf.ca.us
(David R. Sewell) writes:
>buildings & fits into the biome perfectly.  I guess my fear about
>Hollywood-as-virtual-reality is that people tend to forget there was a
>real reality there before Hollywood.  As long as the two can coexist I
>have no problem.

I just saw two recent films: The Player and LA Story (Oh, also Martin's
comment about movies in Grand Canyon are relavant, make that three films).
And friend and I grew up in that environment.  It's totally perverting.
Gives you a warped perspective of the world (just not as concentrated
as Player nor as wacky at LA).  I think that's a problem with the cultural
elite, but I'd rather than a cultural elite (look around, the net is
if nothing else) than certain people's vision of a status quo.
Art usually follows science and reality (I can think of exceptions).
And that's what Hollywood is.  But it's great that Caltech is over in
Pasadena and Santa Clara is also part of the same state.  Sort of like the
Twilight Zone episodes where people "don't fit in."

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From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Berkeley Co-op Seeks Fabulous Female Housemate!
Keywords: Room opens Oct. 1st...
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:33:15 GMT
Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

I realize this isn't a .politics group, but I can't let this go by ...

 > We're a rather diverse crowd, looking for a creative, independent
 > woman to join our household.                ^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^

Note the highlighted words.  The ad then goes on to say ...

 > Sorry, no meat, smokers, t.v.

I just love the P.C. definition of "creative" and "independent"!
Good old Berkeley!  :-)

    Wayne Hathaway               domain: wayne@Ultra.COM
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Newsgroups: alt.california,ca.general,la.general
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: Which is the City of Worst Smog and Pollution?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:42:41 PDT

In article <1992Sep7.225826.16044@xyzoom.info.com>, on 7 Sep 1992 22:58:26 GMT,
rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:

>
>In article <100.UUL1.3#1@vortex.COM> lauren@vortex.COM (Lauren Weinstein) writes:
>>   [Internationally,]
>>   L.A. isn't even *near* the top of the list.
>
>I heard recently that in the US, Denver was worse than LA.

I've heard the same. As for international Mexico city IS the worst.
In Mexico city they will arrange a "health trip for your lungs" to
Los Angeles, couldn't believe that one when I heard it. The news
also said that during the noon time hour (I guess this would be in
the summer) people will eat lunch in the part at the center of town
and birds will drop dead out of the trees from the smog...and I thought
L.A. was bad.
       --Ed
From: klemets@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tim S Klemets)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Snow covered mountains from a hot beach
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:14:30 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <19920911151942CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.190901.9416@access.digex.com>, on 11 Sep 92 19:09:01 GMT,
>burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:

>>Where else in the world can you sit on a hot beach in February and look
>>up at snow covered mountains?

Sounds nice, but what's the point with a hot beach, if the water is too
cold to swim in?  Are there many places in Southern California where
the sea is swimmable throughout the year?  I once visited Venice Beach
and Santa Monica - nice beaches but horrible water (compared to
Florida).  I took for granted the situation in San Diego (a city I
*love*) was the same, so I didn't bother to have a look at its shore.
However, somebody told me that SD is really nice in this sense too
(clear water etc).  True?

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Newsgroups: alt.california,ca.general,la.general
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: Which is the City of Worst Smog and Pollution?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:59:56 PDT

In article <1992Sep10.222811.274@unocal.com>, on 10 Sep 1992 22:28:11 GMT,
stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>
>One of the secrets of LA are the 4 to 6 months when it is clear and you can
>see the mountains.  Then there is the month or so around New Years when the
>mountains are rimmed with snow and the sky is crystal clear.  You feel like
>your are in the Rockies or Sierras.  Almost, but not quite makes up for the
>smoggy summers.
>

....and unfortunately this is when the Rose Bowl and the Rose Parade and
the Santa Claus Lane Parade are shown and everyone sees. I wonder how
many people that see these in '93 will remember what they saw during
the riots when they see all the parades next year....
From: sam@terapin.com (Sam Lewit)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: california (without drivers license)
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:24:17 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <26094@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>Henry Mensch writes:
>mike>...  Incidentally, a consideration, AMTRAK seems to
>mike>choose the absolute worst neiborhoods to site its stations.  In
>
>>umm, the rail stations were there longer than those "worst"
>>neighborhoods were ...
>
>But AMTRAK hasn't, it's only about 20 yrs old, & those areas have been
>"beat" for far longer.  They had a choice -- & in some cases, it sure
>seems to me like they made the worst possible choices.  A trailer &
>a canopy by an old siding somewhere safe would have been a lot better
>choice than that hole in Oakland.  Probably cheaper too.

But you also have to take into account that Amtrak hasn't had the money to buy
the darned canopy let alone a trailer, communications, parking space, etc. The
Wood Street station was there already and for the most part ready to go when
Amtrak started in 71. It wasn't until recently that Amtrak has been making
excellent progress, and is able to expand, add new routes, and relocate
stations.

Sam Lewit                 | sam@terapin.com
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Berkeley, Ca. 94704       | But we should be opposed to blind progress"
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From: spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Moving to California
Date: 9 Sep 1992 23:13:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: yocomputo.berkeley.edu

In response to the posting about moving to California from NJ,
there should be no problem finding a UHaul.  There is a mass
exodus from the state right now. Outbound traffic pays 3X the
amount to leave the state, compared to moving vans coming into
the state.  High taxes, unemployment, decaying schools, crime,
and a generally declining standard of living in CA are just a
ploy to empty this state of several thousand inhabitants.

Dan Landis  spanga@athena.berkeley.edu
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 6 Sep 1992 15:55:05 MST
From: ELIZABETH M DREIKE <ICEMD@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Don't Move to Tucson
Distribution: na,local

Thanks for cheering me up!  As a native Californian (Silicon Valley)
stranded in Phoenix, it was good to hear I could have landed somewhere
worse!  Seriously, whenever the heat, shortage of culture and lack of
ethnic diversity (does anyone know where I can find real Dim Sum here?)
get me down, I remind myself rent is 40% of the bay area and people here
really are friendly.  While the scales still tip in favor of California,
it isn't too out of balance here.
From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Stille Nacht (Flanders Brown?)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 05:41:31 GMT
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In an earlier posting joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us writes:
>
>I finally broke down and bought one of the stranger looking offerings
>at State Line Liquors the other day.  Has a stylishly (and maybe
>crudely) hand-lettered label with a fanciful Xmas scene.  The brew
>is named Stille Nacht, from De Dolle Brewery in Belgium.

I have had one of these, and I remember it being fairly decent... 



-- 
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From: mol@jyu.fi (Mika O. Latokartano)
Subject: Re: Good Norwegian beer
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:29:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.052313.3334@eua.ericsson.se> euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp) writes:
>Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
>

>>Interesting. This makes Aass the Norwegian equivalent of Moosehead, i.e. much
>>more widely available abroad than in the country of origin. Aass is very
>>difficult to find in Oslo, which is only 40 km. away from the Aass brewery in
>>Drammen.
>
>Ha.... no problem finding it in Sweden either...... And I like it.

  I tried Aass (Munchner (sp?)) a while ago, and found it very pleasant.
  What different brands does Aass brew?  

  And no problem finding it in Finland, either.

	- Mika

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From: John.DeCarlo@f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org (John DeCarlo)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Coors & High-Gravity Brewing (long)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 21:04:51 -0500

On <Sep0820:04, Ulick Stafford (1:109/401) wrote:

>>"Finished" Coors Light has a SG of, what, maybe 1004?  So if the
>>"high-gravity" brew is diluted 1:1 with pure water, the high-gravity
>>brew's SG is around 1008.  That's high-gravity, all right...

 US >Is this an attempt to be stupid?  Coor's light is about 4.3% alcohol, 
 US >and has 110 calories.  If you can make beer like this from a 
 US >1004 wort your name should be Jesus Christ.

1) How could Coors Light have *more* alcohol than Coors regular?  That sounds
like a fishy claim.  Few US megabrews go over 3.9% anyway, due to state laws
restricting higher alcohol beers.

2) The higher the finishing SG, the more residual sugars and so forth there are
in the brew.  Since water has an SG of 1.000, I would expect Coors Light to have
one about .99999, actually, since it has a little alcohol to lower it from pure
water.  After all, it has no taste to it.

>>>WHAT SHOULD CONSUMERS DO?
>>>
>>They'd decide to drink Sierra Nevada Pale Ale...

 US >Has anyone compared the price of Natural Light and Sierra Nevada 
 US >recently? I know that it is part of the homebrew thing to knock 
 US >the bulk brewers, but like it or not, they are supplying the 
 US >product consumers want to buy at a cheap price.

Yow!  They may be expert brewers, but they are hardly supplying the product
consumers want, at least for educated consumers.

How much WonderBread super-soft tasteless bread do you see sold today?  I expect
that today's typical Budmilloors styles will go the way of WonderBread before
the next century.

Megabrewers could brew all-malt beers for just a few dollars more a case, if
they wanted to.
From: x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu (Roger Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Cherry Beers
Date: 9 Sep 1992 21:59:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH.
Reply-To: x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

There are at least 4 microbrewed cherry beers in the US.

Cherryland Brewing's Cherry Rail (Sturgeon Bay, WI) (thin and sweet)
Fox Classic's Cherry Creek (Appleton, WI) (not tasted)
New Belgian's Old Cherry Ale (Fort Collins, CO) (an old ale, excellent) 
(and I have the name wrong, help me out Jon)
Kalamazoo Brewing's Cherry Stout (Kalamazoo, MI) (fabulous!)

Roger Brown
Ames, IA
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From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 17:16:32 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:

-> 
-> hi,
->     i'll be in CA soon and want to know 
-> which beers i should test and which i 
-> should avoid to drink. i prefer bitter
-> pils (no 'sweet' ones) like jever. thanx
-> for any recommendations/warnings.
-> 
-> - tB!

Avoid Killer Whale Amber Ale from the Monterey Brewing Company.  I
cannot speak for their other beers, but I am told that they, too,
share the awful acid back-bite that I abhor in the Killer Whale.

Otherwise, have a great visit!

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: root@cube.handheld.com (Operator)
Subject: test
Reply-To: jmd@handheld.com
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:21:30 GMT

test
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Beer in a bag?
From: zabarnic@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu (Steve Zabarnick)
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:27:49 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Dayton Research Institute

A while ago I received as a gift, a kit which allows one to make their own beer
in a bag. The kit consists of a bag to which one adds hot water and then cold
water. Then you let it sit for 6 weeks to 6 months. I started mine on March1,
and first tasted it 8 weeks later.  It was terrible! It had a nice amber color
and a decent head with tiny bubbles, but it had absolutely no flavor and tasted
like it was flat and lacked alcohol content. Since then I've tasted it a couple
of more times, but it is still quite undrinkable.

Has anyone had any experience with these bag o' beers? 

Steve Zabarnick
steve@snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil
zabarnic@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
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From: bryanh@dseg.ti.com (Bryan Hazel)
Subject: Re: Beer Story (Re: More Campaign Promises)
Reply-To: bryanh@dseg.ti.com
Organization: Just Me
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:26:00 GMT

In article K4I@wrs.com, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
>In article 24951@oasys.dt.navy.mil, smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt) writes:
>>    Has anyone ordered a regular Miller in a bar
>>and been brought a Lite?  (Spare me the "Of course I'd never order a
>>Miller" stuff).
>
>  Stuff deleted

Imagine you are a dog. Now, further, imagine the taste if you are a dog and you are
licking yourself.  }:>)
From: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Nathan Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: NC micro/brewpub status
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 01:25:03 EDT
Organization: 5 Sigma Software
Reply-To: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us
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In article <79169@ut-emx.uucp> (alt.beer), chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:
) Well, basically, my girlfriend's trying to convince me I should go with her to 
) North Carolina for Christmas, & I'm just looking for a little extra incentive.  
) I think we'd be going to Raleigh, but I'm not positve.  So, are there any micros
) or brewpubs up there that I should check out?  Or do the have any at all? 
) Thanks for any info....

Let's see, there's Greenshields in central Raleigh.  The beer is uninspiring,
but ok.  There's also the Weeping Radish on the way to the coast.
A friend of mine brought up a large Weeping Radish stout a few weeks
back.  It came in a killer swingtop bottle, maybe a liter and a half?
The beer itself was sickeningly sweet and generally revolting.  Kind
of like Sheaf Stout with too much lactose added.  They claimed to
have a German-trained German brewmaster working for them ... I guess
every class has people in it who graduate at just over the minis.

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From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: The *best* beer
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:57:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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  Guinness is GREAT! However Watneys comes in as a close second.

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From: siebeck@infoac.rmi.de (Wolfgang Siebeck)
Subject: Thailand: To drink or not to drink, that is the question
Keywords: Thailand, beer
Organization: RMI Net INFO.box Systems - Aachen - Hamburg - Wien
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:06:49 GMT

Hi,

I am going to spend some weeks in Thailand and now I want to ask,
who has any experience with local beers there. 'til now, I hear about
Closter, and some others. Any special advice?

Thanks a lot,
sawasdee
Wolfgang
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From: cmurphy@niji.claremont.edu (Cameron Murphy)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:55:20 GMT


> |> >NoNoNoNo!
> |> >The first bottles of Anderson Valley we had years ago were a little old,
> |> >but friends took a 25-brewpub tour of CA and said Anderson Valley
> |> >(at the source) was the second-best beer that they found.
> |> 
> |> I thought maybe it would be better fresh at the brewery, but it was just  
as bad.

They must have had a minor infection problem at the time as their stuff (IMHO)  
is pretty amazing. Just a note... I am a big fan of AV's Barney Flats oatmeal  
stout, but I did get a bottle the other night that didn't taste quite right.  
I've been drinking the stuff for quite some time now and that was the first  
"bad" bottle I've ever had. I also really like their Deep Ender's Dark.

                                                  Cameron Murphy
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:05:23 EDT
From: <DLM155@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
 <BtyxIK.D3n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Sep6.011354.4297@rosedale.uucp>

 Side note:I have been on both the Ranier and Olympia tours. I thought the Olym
pia tour was a very good tour considering that it is a larger brewery (as oppos
ed to a Micro). The Rainier tour was a complete waste of time. 85% of it consis
ted of a 15 min. video tape.

                                         John E. Runski
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Pale Ale
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:47:46 GMT

pgybass@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (michael patrick swain) writes:
: Hi Kids:
: 	Has anyone out there tried Santa Fe Pale Ale?  I was on vacation
: last week in the New Mexico area, and found the stuff to be truly wonderful.
: Any comments?  I'm also curious about its availability outside of NM.
: Great label as well.

I've seen Santa Fe Pale Ale at Frontier Liquors on Grant Street in Buffalo, but  
like many of the smaller microbrews, the supply may be sporadic.  Give 'em a  
call first before you head down to the West Side.

Las Cruces is about as far from Santa Fe as you can get and still be in New  
Mexico, and you can get Santa Fe Pale Ale here, although only in limited  
locations and in single bottles only.  It really hasn't caught on here like in  
the northern portion of the state.

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