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From: night@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Amp recomendations...
Summary: Difference between GK 800RB, Hartke 7000, or Peavy MegaBass
Keywords: What is your opinion on these amps
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:17:57 GMT
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)

I want your opinions on these ams:

Gallien-Krueger 800RB  Bi-amp 300 and 100 watt amp  Bridgeable
Hartke 7000    350 and 350 watt amp  lots 'o controls
Peavy MegaBass (I think that's right)

All these suckers are around $1000 retail +/- $150.  I would like an
amp that will last, and one I won't outgrow in a year.  I have played
them all, and like the GK the best; however, its lack of "bells-and-
whistles" makes me leary of it.  I REALLY thought the tube/solid-state
pre-amp on the Hartke gave a lot of control over the sound.  

After the opinion war rages on for a while, I'll ask about cabinets.  I
suppose you might want to know what kind of sound I want.  Uh, well, I
want to be able to play slappy-poppy stuff as well as the more conventional
means without the amp freaking out.  A cabinet that has been hightly
recommended by a a dude who has been playing for over ten years is the
Hartke XL 410B.(4 X 10 cabinet)  He said he played a 1-18 and 2-10 setup
for years, but feels his 4X10 sound is way cooler.  I am thinking the
same thing.  Any reason I shouldn't???  Let me know.

BTW, on recomendations from this newsgroup, I bought an Ibanez Soundgear
SR1000 with EMG and active bass/treble controls.  Just a 4-string with
Ebony Fretboard and Midnight Blue for a smaller coefficient of friction.
I love it.  Thank you all for the advice.

I look forward to hearing/reading your opinions.

Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk)
Subject: RE: Interested in going wireless
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:45:30 GMT

Well, I made a visit to my local music store.  They had several Nady
systems, including the 301 which is UHF rather than VHF.  I would 
imagine that since the UHF units are newer, there would be less of a
chance of intereference with other wireless systems running on the
same frequency.  But I was wondering, does UHF have anything else to
offer, for instance better reception in a club setting, more accurate
reproduction of my bass' sound, etc.?

Thanks again,

John

merk@unislc.slc.unisys.com
From: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: I DO NOT play ANY kind of GUITAR!
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:57:56 GMT
	<1992Sep1.205540.8772@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.


Hey, you forgot:

rec.music.makers.bass.omatic
From: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Interested in going wireless
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:33:51 GMT
	<a9an9nl.jimlynch@netcom.com>
Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.


    Jim> As far as John Nady is concerned, he owns 3 clubs that are
    Jim> pay-to-play; there is even a contract (I've never actually
    Jim> _seen_ it, but...) which I have heard states in substance
    Jim> that failure on the part of the band to sell however-many
    Jim> tickets gives Nady's club the right to _TAKE_ the band's
    Jim> instruments. Yes, this is the same Nady who manufactures
    Jim> wireless systems.

You gotta be joking, right?!  I can't imagine *any* band signing a
contract like that no matter what the potential benefits.  If a club
around here (Balto/D.C.) even tried to institute pay-to-play (which we
sorta do anyway, but not directly to the club ;-), let alone that kind
of contract, that club would be putting up disco lights faster than
you can say d-d-d-dee jay.

On a similar subject, a drummer friend of mine who is about to
graduate from PIT in L.A. said that in his music business class, his
teachers told him that there are 150,000 unsigned bands IN L.A. ALONE!
Can this possibly be true?!  Gawd, I suppose it ain't so bad slogging
it out in a relatively small market like the Balto/D.C. scene...
From: LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Strings Cleaning (no pun intended)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:53:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92244.105319LPR100
 <1992Aug30.080242.7233@panix.com> <1685475D7.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1685475D7.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>, ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian
Batey) says:
>
>>
>Where do I get some?!?!
>
>Boy, just when I'd stopped believing in Santa too....good $10 bass strings?!?

Well, I paid 15 bucks for a set a while back, and I don't know if I would
call them 'good' strings. It's a matter of taste, I guess.
   Check the 'Bargain bins' some music stores have.

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From: jpmakela@klaava.Helsinki.FI (J Pekka Makela)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: I DO NOT play ANY kind of GUITAR!
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:51:14 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

eskridge@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Paul Eskridge) writes:
: 
: I would like to suggest that everyone reply to the postings regarding changing
: the name of this newgroup to vote against it.  Why, you might ask?  Because we
: are BASS players.  We are not GUITAR players.  So write in, saying "No, I will
: vote against the creation of `rec.music.makers.guitar.bass', but I WOULD vote
: FOR `rec.music.makers.bass'.  That's what I did, anyway.  As long as we're given
: the chance to change it, we may as well take the opportunity to FIX it also.


	Well, it's true that *.guitar.bass lines out bass fiddle
	players, tuba players, washtub bass players, but the instrument
	I think most of us play, the thing with solid body, four or
	five or whatever strings, is called an "electric bass guitar".
	Like it or not, as an instrument it is a member of (electric)
	guitar family, just like a cello is a member of violin family
	and baritone sax is a member of saxophone family.


	

: 
: All the best,
: Paul
						-jP Makela
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
From: schwab@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Paul Schwab)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:42:05 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <BtM6vE.10z@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:
>Here's a couple of questions for you all:
>
>1) I picked up some cello music the other day because I thought it would be
>   good for practicing and you can't find much for solo bass violin.  OK,
>   everything's fine so far, but while perusing through the cello parts I've
>   noticed that the cello seems to have the same range as my electric bass --
>   the lowest note I saw was an E below the bass clef, which corresponds
>   to my E string, no?  Now since the cello is smaller than a bass violin,
>   shouldn't its range be higher?  Is cello music actually written an octave
>   lower than it is played?

Actually, the notation for your BASS is written an octave HIGHER than the
notes that are actually played.  It is done this way for readability, allowing 
the majority of most parts played to be written on the staff.

>2) I've been trying some simple slapping, but my E string, and to some degree
>   my A string, makes a pretty bad snap no matter where I play it.  I think
>   some noise must be a normal part of slapping, but not to this degree.  And
>   it doesn't really seem to matter where I do the slapping on the string.  Is
>   it because the strings are getting too close to the pickups?  (I practice
>   on a rented bass.... when I feel competent enough I'll buy my own...)

Two thoughts:
    1. Location of the pickups.  If you have something like an EB-0,
       that pickup, which is real close to the neck will get alot of 
       snap.  I don't even know if it's useful for slapping.  My
       own experience is with my Ovation Magnum bass.  The neck pickup
       is right up on the neck (not like a Jazz, where the "neck" pickup
       is about halfway between the neck and bridge.  I had to slap way
       down by the bridge to avoid snap (and of course that make it
       difficult to pop)

    2. Your action may be a little low, try raising it a little bit.
>-- 
> Eric Giguere                                    giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA
>          So is Windows NT short for "Windows, NOT?"  

Good Luck,
-Paul
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From: kjs@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Kevin J. Shuholm)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Interested in going wireless
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:11:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar.bass
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

In article <1992Aug21.204204.15000@husc3.harvard.edu> plopper@husc8.harvard.edu (George Plopper) writes:
>
>About a year ago some guy talked me into getting a single channel
>(i.e., NOT true diversity) SHURE wireless, and I plunked down almost
>$500 for two transmitters and the receiver. IT SUCKED. The bottom end,
>
>The moral: if you're going to go wireless, get the best damn thing there is.


Perhaps another moral of the story:  Before buying something of this
nature take it home for a test drive.  If the dealer won't let you take
it (with or without a deposit) then you probably don't want to do
business with him anyways!

Kevin
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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Interested in going wireless
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:08:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar.bass
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Aug24.185533.29219@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@rgb.dec.com 
(My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.012354.24455@sj.nec.com>, bigdave@texas.tdd.sj.nec.com 
(David Sweeney  x2987) writes...

(Text edited)

>>I've been using the 201 model for a few years, and it's great.  I've never
>>noticed any signal degradation at _all_ and it's a lot more convenient
>>than tripping over cords.  If you set it up correctly, the Nady is flawless.
>>I'd wholeheartedly recommend buying one.

>Please explain "proper setup".  I borrowed a 201 and had a weird problem where
>the attack of some notes would "fade in".  The owner said he had similar
>propblems.  It was not related to the battery and also not to location. 
>Standing right next to the damn receiver it would still do it.  
>It seemed to be sensitive to level...playing the notes harder seemed to
>minimize the effect, but it drove me totally nuts.  I did check the muting pots
>and they were set to the most sensitive position (i.e. least noise rejection). 
>Comments?

The Nady wireless systems use companding to keep the transmission
noise to a minimum.  If the input level to the transmitter is set too low it
is possible for the signal to "fade in"  or "pump"  The gain pot on the
transmitter should be set just below the point where the system distorts.

As I stated in a previous posting: a wireless system is not perfect.
If you are concerned with dropouts, how the wireless electronics will
affect your sound, etc.  Stay with a cord.

Usually the Nady systems work very well and you can really enjoy the
freedom,  but if you are unable to tolerate anything less than
perfection you really should consider staying with a cord.
-- 
Chris Christensen                  The opinions I express are my own,
chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
From: cjg@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Chris George)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: I DO NOT play ANY kind of GUITAR!
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:35:31 GMT
	<1992Aug31.211410.28684@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Organization: Mr T. Fan Club

god i hate purists.

-cjg
From: LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Chords on Bass (was Re: What's "the 1-2-4 rule"?)
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:17:06 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Aug20.172702.17453@news.media.mit.edu>,
ajazar@cockfosters.media.mit.edu (Ali J. Azarbayejani) says:

>I saw John Clayton Jr. playing chords, including harmonics, on the big violin.
>Done blew me away...
>

For a great, huge sound, Doug Pinnick of King's X plays a few
chords on his 12 string Hamer. I want one now!

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From: rick@crowbar.aux.apple.com (Rick Auricchio)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Victor Wooten at Green Valley Music!
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:14:11 GMT
Distribution: ba

Anyway, Wooten will be fooling around at Green Valley Music on Saturday,
8/29, 2-4PM.  Directions: 17south to 1south, exit at 152/main st.  Left
at first light and a quick right into the parking lot.
--
--
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Apple Computer Inc, 10500 N.DeAnza Blvd MS35VK Cupertino CA 95014 408-974-4227
My opinion? If Apple knew I HAD one, they'd watch me closely. (Just my opinion)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan)
Subject:  A New Contest for Us
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:43:00 GMT


What's the earliest pop (non classical) recording with 5 string (low B) 
bass?  I was listening to Lou Reed's _Transformer_ (1972) yesterday and 
noticed the song "Andy's Chest" has a way cool bass line that goes down 
to low B.  It's played on string bass, too, if my ears don't deceive me.  
That album is of course filled with excellent bass parts and the music 
that goes along with them (that's an interesting way to describe it).

Kevin Sullivan
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: Re: Strings Cleaning (no pun intended)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:58:23 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show

In <1685475D7.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey) writes:

>In article <1992Aug30.080242.7233@panix.com>
>rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
> 
>>As far as strings go, this has been a very important issue for me,
>>since I go through strings like butter. I've finally found
>>the answer. Look out for a brand called _Vinci_. Not only are they
>>the best sounding bass string I've found in YEARS, not only do they come
>>in guages I actually LIKE, they are only. . .(hold onto your hats)
>>TEN BUCKS A SET! I may cry.
>>
>Where do I get some?!?!
> 
>Boy, just when I'd stopped believing in Santa too....good $10 bass strings?!?
> 
> 
>brian

I get them at Mojo Guitars in the East Village (NYC) and in Sam Ash (also
in New York).

 
-- 
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From: usenet@Apple.COM (USENET Administrator)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Victor Wooten at Green Valley Music!
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:07:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Interested in going wireless
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:06:31 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.132308.5734@uc.msc.edu> dpm@msc.edu (David P. Mottaz) writes:
>From: dpm@msc.edu (David P. Mottaz)
>Subject: Re: Interested in going wireless
>Date: 25 Aug 92 13:23:08 GMT


>I am curious of how a wireless effects the signal from an electric
>bass/guitar.  I mean, you spend lots of time and money on pickups
>because of the way they sound, the way they make your amp behave.
>There are subtle things, like the attack, or just how much high/
>low/mids they produce.  How hot the pickup is can determine how
>a tube preamp behaves.

>Then, you plug into a wireless, and the signal the amp "sees" is
>produced by the receiver, not the pickups at all.  Is a wireless
>really able to reproduce the wild voltage transients from a pickup?
>Are all the aspects of tone/attack/voltage passed along faithfully?

Anytime you transduce a signal, you will lose something.  A good wireless 
can reproduce most of the voltage contortions of any pickup, provided you 
have good signal conditions.  What will be drastically different is the 
impedance your amp "sees" looking into the receiver.  A good solution to 
this is to build a transformer curcuit or use a favorite mod box *after* the 
receiver circuit.  This will give the amp a more familiar signal 
characteristic.
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: bilbo@glockenspiel.cis.ohio-state.edu (William H Stoner III)
Subject: cello v bass
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:44:50 GMT

Cello's lowest note is two octaves below middle C.
They are tuned CGDA and the scale length is about a half-inch
shorter than electric.  If I remeber correctly the scale length
of an upright is somewhere around 41". It's been a long time 
since I've seen one (an upright) in the flesh, so that maybe
wrong.

bilbo

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk)
Subject: RE: Interested in going wireless (wrap-up)
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:30:52 GMT

Once again I want to thank everyone that contributed to this thread.
Nearly everyone reported good experiences with their wireless systems.

The most popular systems appear to be Nady 201, followed by Samson SR-22.  The
only bad report was against a Shure.

I'm tempted to go with the Nady, but am concerned about reports of questionable
practices at Nady's clubs.  Also, since it is the most popular, I want to avoid
having the same frequency as somebody else.  So, it looks like Audio/Technica
retail at US$800, (that's a lot of plasma...8))

John
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: shawn@monitor.com
Subject: Stewart MacDonald contact info ?????
Reply-To: shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:10:18 GMT

can someone post or email me a phone number for the Stewart MacDonald folks?   
Please excuse any spelling errors of their name!

Also, does anyone know of other such mail-order outfits that have good people,  
good stuff, and good prices?

Thanks!  I'll summarize to the net (if I get any interesting info).

Shawn Broderick
shawn@monitor.com
From: slk6p@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: What's "the 1-2-4 rule"?
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:57:59 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Aug20.172702.17453@news.media.mit.edu>, ajazar@cockfosters.media.mit.edu (Ali J. Azarbayejani) writes:
> |> That reminds me: you can also play CHORDS on an electric 10 times easier than
> |> on an acoustic, if you're into that. I saw Stanley Clarke strum one of those
> |> things once and I couldn't believe my eyes. Us mere mortals would have a hell
> |> of a time doing that, except on a piano!
> 
> I saw John Clayton Jr. playing chords, including harmonics, on the big violin.
> Done blew me away...
> 
> -- 
>             _   ___
> Ali J.    / \_/  /             , ,
>           ||=================(----)
>           \_/ \/              ' '
> 
*Have you ever heard/of Michael Manring?  He plays chords/hammer-ons,  he has 
a couple of basses designed for him with tunings switchers at the neck, and
body so he can shift ranges.  He even played two basses at the same time.
Quite a feat!  (I believe he's on windham hill)

				J. WYllie (the Coyote)

>
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Strings Cleaning (no pun intended)
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:02:42 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show

In <1992Aug28.221729.12426@unislc.uucp> jes@unislc.uucp (Jon Seaman) writes:

[stuff about boiling strings deleted]
>This works well also, but I`d like to hear some learned opinions
>about string cleaning.
>Also is there a good midrange price set of strings that sound
>good but don`t cost a left testical?

>Thanks in advance. 

I clean my strings after each time I play with. . . BRUT--by Fabrege!
I know it sounds silly, but it's mostly alcohol, and smells better
than WD-40 or alcohol. (Although WD-40 works pretty good) It's
been working very well.

As far as strings go, this has been a very important issue for me, 
since I go through strings like butter. I've finally found
the answer. Look out for a brand called _Vinci_. Not only are they
the best sounding bass string I've found in YEARS, not only do they come
in guages I actually LIKE, they are only. . .(hold onto your hats)
TEN BUCKS A SET! I may cry.

 
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