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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: problems with gcc/g++
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:04:14 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

> [re templates]


Templates DO work (to a certain degree, partially limited by the inexactness
of the definition of the language).

If you RTFM, you'll see that you CANNOT "compile" a template.  That doesn't
make any sense.  A template is a *template* for creating code, not the
code itself.  The usual procedure is to #include the .cc file of the
"implementation" of the template.  When you think about it, it's all pretty
obvious (what is the compiler SUPPOSED to do with the uninstantiated 
template? - you get just what you get if you have a heap of #define macros
but no actual usage of the macros - ie. nothing).  This:

	gcc -c templ.cc

Where templ.cc is all template "implementation", is the same as compiling
the empty file (except it takes slightly longer, as the compiler reads in
all this talk about what you're GOING to do, even though you never actally
do anything).


So, try:

#include <Set.cc>

main()
{
	Set<int> MySetOfIntegers;
	...
}


Personally, I would prefer people to use the ".t" extension for the
implementations of templates, but how would I ever get that?


Also, by now you've probably realized "Hey, but I'll get copies of the
same code in every module that imports Set.cc", which will then clash
at link time.  Correct.  The solution to this is beyond the scope of
the language however - it is an environmental concern of how to only
create one copy of an instantiation of a template.  How can the
compiler know what other modules.o you have written that have used
whatever templates? The general solution, is to only #include the .h of
the template (the definition) in every module of the project you are
working on, then writing a single module that instantiates all the
classes and templates you need.  How you do this may range from simply
seeing what link-time errors you get, through manual or automatic
source-based analysis of what instantiations of a template you make,
all the way to a more powerful linker that can generate, as an option,
the module that instantiate all the missing implementations (this, I
believe, is the correct solution, but whose to write it...).  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: alien@clinet.fi (Risto Juvonen)
Subject: Re: Falcon price
Organization: Clinet, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:09:01 GMT

sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
: 
: No I am refering to that Dirty word Atari here, NO SUPPORT AT ALL,
: No Sotware no Books, zilch...
: 
 Only thing what is dirty in Atari, is users like you!


: Take your head out of the sand and live, Atari is Dead...!!!
: 
 Put your head into sand and die!!!

: 
: Roger..............            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
: 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka)
Subject: Re: Gemulator
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:32:52 GMT
Organization: BraSoft

In article <2867@isgtec.isgtec.com> ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.023643.11136@microsoft.com> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka) writes:
>< Gemulator has 8 ROM sockets on it, which is capable of reading any ROMs, not
>< just specifically Atari ST ROMs. So you can take that ROM out of your Deskcart
>< cartridge or out of your Magic Sac cartridge and it can be read by the
>< Gemulator board. Mac emulation is definitely planned for a future release.
>
>Of course, this will not allow reading of Mac disks, like Spectre GCR.

1/2 BUZZ! Check your facts. PC drives aren't capable of reading Mac 800K disks
but they are quite capable of reading Mac II 1.44 meg disks. There are several
commerical programs available for the PC that do exactly that - read and write
files to Mac disks. The only reason that Spectre GCR has to use the extra
cables is to read 800K disks, since STs do not come with 1.44 meg drives.
Most PCs with 3.5" drives are using 1.44 meg drives.

- Darek

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From: timg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Gallivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Faulty Ghostscript 2.41 diffs.
Summary: Get the new ones.
Keywords: postscript, ghostscript
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:46:53 GMT
Organization: University of Texas Center for Relativity

I recently discovered that the diffs I have been distributing for the
Atari version of Ghostscript 2.41 are incomplete. My appologies to
anyone who tried to use these and encountered problems. I have put new
(and hopefully correct) diffs on 'lifshitz.ph.utexas.edu' in
pub/ghostscript/gs241dif.zoo. If you used the source files in the binary
distribution, then those are fine as far as I know.

-Tim Gallivan
timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: MegaSTE vs 1040STE
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:26:25 GMT

One netter asked why a MegaSTE should be considered over a 1040STE.

First: Cost. If you price out a 1040STE plus a monitor and external 50meg
hard disk, it is more expensive than buying a MegaSTE with monitor and
internal 50meg HD. I sell Atari equipment and advise the purchase of a
1040STE only if it is to replace a 1040STf or 520 and the owner already
has a monitor and HD. Examples prices are

1040STE $CDN459
SM147   $CDN199
52meg HD$CDN625 (Stealth 42)
Total   $1283

Mega2STE/SM147/50meg HD $1154

Why buy a 1040STE???

Second: SLM605 compatibility. I tried five 1040STEs with two SLM605s and
every combination produced ragged output (pixel displacements). I contacted
Atari Canada and asked to have an advisory posted but I have seen nothing
yet (that was 3 - 4 months ago).

Up above where I wrote 42 meg STealth, that should have been a 52 meg HD.

I hope this info helps.
From: kovarski@zooid.guild.org (Mark Kovarski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: turboassembler
Keywords: turbo assembler 68000
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:21:03 GMT
Organization: ZOOiD BBS

noam@ooc.uva.nl (Noam Kloos) writes:
>
>Does anyone have a DOC for TurboAssem.lzh on anonymous ftp
>mcshh.hanse.de?
>
>It is a good assembler with 68020 options and trace but very
>limited help in the debugger 'bugaboo.prg' wich i use most.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Noam.
>noam@ooc.uva.nl

The package *should* contain the German or English documentation. TURBOASS.LZH
is available on atari.archive.umich.edu but I am not certain if it contains
the docs, however due to the large size I am suspecting that it does.

Sincerely,
Mark Kovarski
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: ger2en19.lzh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:16:49 GMT

rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes:
>sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>There is nothing wrong with ger2en19.lzh on a.a. its the LHarc program that
>>you are using to unpack them, it is a lh5 type archive..
>
>so much for the wonderful lharc program and its "superior" desktop
>capabilities. yet another stumped usenet user...

  I'll admit, I was rather impressed when I tried to unpack a zoo
archive compressed with a newer ZOO and the older ZOO program told me
to go get a newer version.  But, just because ZOO has this feature
doesn't mean that it's so much better.
  I know that ZOO too has managed to stump many a usenet user. (like
remember to pack after delete).

  In any case, I won't argue that dead end too far since Questor's
lharc by itself is by no means user friendly.  But I would ask again
that ZOO add an option similar to the one in Lha v1.00:

  w=<dir> specify extract directory

  Doesn't seem too big of a request, and it would make ZOO that much
better and easier for many users.
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: truong@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (hoa nhu truong)
Subject: Re: Falcon
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 10:46:08 GMT

I've been seeing a lot of posting on the Falcon.  Would someone englighten on
this supposedly wonderful new computer?  When is it due (supposedly, and
REALLY)?  About the video/genlock, does it have a built-in genlock board?
And will it work with any NTSC signals?  Any comments will be appreciated.
By the way, I might be waiting for it instead of getting an AMIGA and an
enternal genlock.

Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: arend@leonardo.et.tudelft.nl (P.C.M van der Arend)
Subject: New STETRIS and COLUMNS available at Newsnet...
Summary: The new versions has 3D-look, automatic-status-save, background pics, e
Keywords: uudecode, arc-archiver, games
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:36:09 GMT

Dear STETRIS and COLUMNS players,

The previous versions of STETRIS and COLUMNS were satisfying, but had some
weaknesses/bugs. De versions published in de comp.binaries.atari.st news-group
are updated with the following features:

- The most important feature is the 3D-look in which the whole user-interface
  is formed.
- The background of the screen can now optionally be filled with an image
  instead of the boring bars. The image should be in the 32000 byte or STAD
  format and should be called columns.pic or stetris.pic. When no such file
  is present, the boring bars will appear again.
- The game status/scores/settings can be saved. A switch is present to turn
  on automatic saving of status when exit.
- There are also new switches for turning the info window on/off and setting
  up your own play-screen by setting the help/next/blockmeasure-windows
  open by default or not.
- There is also a button to send the contents of the info-window to a printer.
- The info-window scrolls now synchroneous with the machine-timer.
- Some blocks are added to skill 5 in tetris to have a complete set.
- Name dialog box has delete, backspace, arrow-left/right and arrow-up/down
  (increase/decrease ascii-code of character under the cursor) available.

I'm sure you'll have a nice time playing these games. Reactions can be send
to the E-mail address below or to the address in the info's.

Greetings, Paul.

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From: i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (  ***THE WIZZARD***)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ST to DOS
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:00:45 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <1852@sheoak.bcae.oz.au> i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (  ***THE WIZZARD***) writes:
>Is there a program that will convert ST disks to MS-DOS format?
>
>Thanks for any help offered.
>
>Jared Quinert
>i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au
>
Sorry for the amibiguity......What I really wanted to know is if there
was a program that would take an already formatted TOS disk (with
files/data) and convert it to an MS-DOS disk.....

Thanks for all the help received so far!!!!!!

Jared Quinert
i921652@redgum.ucnv.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: malay@sae.com (Bob Malay)
Subject: readline.olb
Reply-To: malay@sae.com
Organization: Template Software
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:10:00 GMT


This library (readline.olb) is in my c:\lib directory, but I can't remember
where it came from and what source created it. I know that I didn't build it -
so it must of come from a ".zoo" file. Anybody know what this lib is??

Bob Malay

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Subject: Re: Atari marketing & the Falcon
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:26:18 GMT

aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:

>What we would need to do is more important then giving Atari money
>or passing flyers around.

>What we need to do is get some kind of organized software letter
>writing campaign for the Falcon & ST computers.

>I'm one of those users who will BUY the software.  I'm not writing
>just to write.

>The software will be the main factor deciding the success of the Falcon,
>word of mouth is important but not until you have a good computer
>WITH software.

>I'd be interested in helping to get a campaign together, but only
>if the users that participate are REALLY willing to purchase the
>software.  In other words, don't write, get the companies to produce
>the software, and then pirate it.

Great.  Now what we need is the addresses of software companies & what
they produce for other platforms.  Also, it might be a good idea to write
to major hardware outlets like Computer City and Computerland and tell
them we want to see Atari computers in their stores.  I wonder if there's
a way to set letter mailing up like a pyramid scheme so dealers get
inundated with letters?  They'd surely listen then! :)

Does anyone have a list of addresses & products?  Actually what we might
want to do is go play around with Macs and clones & get an idea of what we
want.  Then post our findings on comp.sys.atari.st & anyone who's
interested can write letters.  In fact, if people post their letters here,
others can use them & modify them if they don't have time to type a full
letter...

Any more ideas?

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
From: elendir@stheno.enst.fr (elendir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MIDI MAZE!
Summary: Me too
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:01:18 GMT
Organization: Telecom-Paris, France

> Help! Does anyone have, or know where I can get ahold of, the Midi Maze
> II maze editor? I've got the game, but I can't figure out the German in
> the docs!

 That would greatly help me also.

 I searched for it monthes and monthes but in vain.

 Vincent.
From: adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HELP! My ST doesn't work.
Keywords: Broken, help,
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:59:53 GMT

I got this from someone who is unable to post directly to the group:

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>This is probably not the reason why your ST is broken, but the same symptoms
>occur if you have the monitor resting on top of the computer. I used to think
>it was the weight of the monitor distorting the disc drive, but the truth is
>that the monitor produces electromagnetic interference which messes up the
>signals on the flatcable to the floppy drive. Some people wrap their flatcables
>in aluminium foil (be careful not to short anything out) but the most effective
>solution is to make sure there is a big enough gap between the computer and the
>monitor.

I forgot about that possibility. Actually it isn't the flat cable picking up
stray signals. It's probably the disk drive is one of those which uses a
hall-effect device and a magnet to identify position. The Monitors CAN 
generate enough of a magnetic field to cause the drive to think the speed
is off, so it tries to speed it up or slow it down. This causes data 
received to be corrupt as the speed of rotation  is NOT constant or even
close to the required speed. 

Open the system up and see if there is a magnet or something glued to the
big center wheel. The timing when this gets to the hall effect sensor
is what, on this type  of drive, tells the drive mechanism it is at
the right speed.

The other way of fixing the problem is to put a cookie sheet or some steel
beneath the monitor.

I can't post to the net, unfortunately, so feel free to pass this
information on.

-- 
George Seto (gseto@biome.bio.ns.ca)

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Yes, it could also be problems with hall-effect sensors. The flatcable is
the part which is most vulnerable to stray signals though.

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From: Curt.Fluegel@f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Curt Fluegel)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon price and poss. release date?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:21:01 -0600

 The latest rumours Ive heard say, under $700, and 8 channels of 16 bit sound,
well folks, thats about an $8000 value for anyone in music, even for $2000 id
buy one...     Curt Fluegel

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From: noam@ooc.uva.nl (Noam Kloos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: boms and errors
Summary: wordplus utils that dont work
Keywords: umich archive 1st word
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:24:42 GMT
Organization: Center for Innovation and Cooperative Technology, University of Amsterdam

Hi All,

This is about the atari.archive.umich.edu
I got some files like a postscript utility for wordplus and 
a print utility for wordplus (1stword) and one gives
3 bombs the other TOS ERROR #32

So now what?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (See If I Don't! )
Subject: Re: Spectre GCR
Organization: The Ohio State University
 writes:
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:13:38 GMT

>On the subject though, how does Spectre emulate the mac's 525*350 (or
>something like that) resolution.  ANd therefore, does it work okay on
>a colour ST??

Spectre does not bother with limiting the size of the ST screen to the measly 
stinking 512*384 (you were close) resolution of the Mac series, it goes 
straight for 640*400 and higher, which nearly all Mac software handles just 
fine.

I believe it no longer works in color.
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               I like the storm
               It feels so wicked now
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From: cctony@sun1.mcsr.olemiss.edu (Tony Reynolds)
Subject: Any luck with UNIX Windows?
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:12:54 GMT


Hi!
Has anyone had any luck with the UNIX Windows package available
on atari.archive?  I ftp'd the whole schmeer, and compiled the
stuff on my Sun (with IPC enabled in the kernel) and ran the
server.  I then ran the WIN.PRG program on the ST, configured
the baud rate, and WHAM! No luck. :)

Any takers?  I can't make it work, and I'd love to have this
operational.  If anyone wants the techniques I had to use
(i.e. a forward of the e-mail that makes it go) lemme know
via e-mail.

Thanks a pile,
Tony
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From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: STE or Mega STE?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:52:44 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

Mark Pugh (mapugh@crdec.army.mil) writes:-
Why should I buy a Mega as opposed to a 1040 (STE)?

I have no idea what the difference is but why not wait and see what the
Falcon is like first :-)

Phil
E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc
From: jensk@hpbbrd.bbn.hp.com (Jens Kilian)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:00:02 GMT
Subject: More MiNT q's,  Why not a MiNT FAQ?? :)
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

>  How about a "MiNT Installation and Setup Guide"?

Perhaps I should start translating mine ?

	Jens.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (See If I Don't! )
Subject: Re: Gemulator
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:19:38 GMT

>>Does anyone knows if the Gemulator support ST cart. such as Spectre GCR?
>
>According to Darek you only have to plug in the MAC-roms in the
>Gemulatorboard that you put in your PC. You don't have the 'GCR' function
>though; so you can r/w Mac-disks, but the Mac-emulation should work...

This is incorrect. I've "spoken" with Darek about this, and this is what is 
actually happening:

There is a spot on the card for the Mac Roms.

*IF* Dave Small wishes, he should be able to write a version of Spectre that 
will access the Roms there instead of at the cartridge port. However, it will 
not just plug-n-play, there will have to be some work done.

However, it *should* work, if people out there want it to and are willing to do
the work to make it so.
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|-) -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- "Ultimate players make better lovers. Trust me." - An exceptionally wise man.

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               I like the storm
               It feels so wicked now
               Cold but you keep me warm -               - Willie Phoenix
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: MDORMAN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Mike Dorman)
Subject: Re: dmj software
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.013317.18287@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
ca806@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roger M. Selby) writes:
 
>
>Does anyone know any kind of internet/bitnet/fnet address
>for Damien M. Jones of dmj software?
>
>--
>Roger Selby
>Selbyrog@max.cc.uregina.ca   Selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca
>ca806@freenet
 
Damien's not on the Internet--he's in Germany.  However, if there's something
you need to get to him, well, there's a guy on GEnie (where I am, also), who
corresponds with him a good bit, and I can get mail to him, who can then
get it to Damien.
 
Did that make any sense?  You get the idea, though.
 
Mike.
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