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From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: Will the Real Alan Hale stand up (was: The Sea Hawk questions)
Summary: Alan Hale, et al
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: bl
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:28:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.162904.19598@gould.encore.com>, jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich) writes:
> 
> Nope.  As has been posted several times during this thread,
> Alan Hale JR. was the skipper on Gilligan's Island.
> 
> Alan Hale (SR.) was the great character actor from 30s and 40s.
> 
I don't know if the thread has been explored yet, but I can't help thinking
that a lot of this Alan Hale confusion arises because father and son looked
so much alike that it was a very easy mistake to make.

In this same vein, I immediately think of the father and son actors who
were both named Robert Walker -- the elder having done among other things,
the "Private Hargrove" movie in the '40's, as opposed to the younger who
among other things, did Star Trek in the '60's.  It takes a very discerning
eye to tell them apart (IMHO).

Anybody want to add to that list of famous people whose kids looked like
them? (I almost want to add the Huttons -- Jim/Tim, but Tim is about 10 
years short of looking that much like his father).

Frank
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From: hellmann@troja.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Dirk Hellmann )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: T2 - Why didn't Sarah die??? (ANSWER)
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:29:20 GMT
Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany
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	Hello,
this is what J.Cameron and his T2-Co author writes about this scene.
It come from: "TERMINATOR 2 
               The Book Of The Film - An Illustrated Screenplay"
look at page 230:

207     SAHRA has lost sight of John. It is as much of a goodbye as they
        will have. She turns as the T-1000 closes on her. She is half-slumped
        against the sooty machine, lokking barely conscious. She struggles
        to load a shell into the empty weapon. At the last instant she whips
        up the RIOT GUN and FIRES.

A207    T-1000's face is blown open, but quickly reforms as it closes on her.
        She fumbles to get another shell into the magazine but --

A208    THUNK! A steel needle slams through her shoulder, pinning her.
        The polymorphic killer cocks back its other hand. The index finger
        extends as a gleaming needle, toward her eye ...

                                T-1000
                        Call to John. Now.

        ======================================================================
        Being a sometwhat more sadistic terminator ("I know this hurts..."),
        T-1000 patently toys with Sarah rather than simply killing her and
        imitating her form at thi point; the main reason for this is of course
        dramatic -- to draw out the moment of suspense and to give Terminator
        time to come to her rescue, which is part of his burgeoning humanity:
        his protection of Jhon now fully extends to those whom John loves
        as well.
        ======================================================================

207C    WHAM!! SOMETHING whistles down on the T-1000 with such force that it
        cleaves its head and body in two down to the navel. The 6-foot steel
        bar is embedded in its body. Terminator hurls the killer off Sarah.

and so on.....
	Hope this answer all questions?
                                                               ys. dirk
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From: ppplee@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pete Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Scenes in ads, but not in film (was Re: Wayne's World Question)
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:13:57 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


I recently saw the trailer for Career Opportunities in my local video store
the other day and it contains a couple of scenes that I know are NOT in the
video version (they may have been in the film release, but I never got to
see that).  There are two that I distinctly remember:

#1:  Jennifer Connelly's chracter says to Frank Whaley's character something
on the order of "If I was flirting, would you touch me?" and Frnak Whaley's
reply is totally in character as "I'd touch you if your entire body were
covered with ants!"  [Too risque?]

#2:  An extended version of the on-the-floor-in-the-dressing-room scene.  JC
says something like "Are you comfortable?" to FW while they're under the
dressing room bench.

I don't remember either of these scenes in the video.  On top of that, the CD
soundtrack has some pictures that were definitely not in the video as well.
THey are:

#3:  A picture of Frank Whaley apparently discussing things with a stuffed 
ape at a booth in the Target cafeteria area.  He is wearing bicycling
clothes.

#4:  Frank Whaley, Jennifer Connelly, and both Mulroney brothers looking 
pretty introspective around some candles.


Now, Career Opportunities is no classic by any stretch of the imagination,
I just thought it was a little weird that so many scenes that were in the
trailer and ads, did not make it into the film (video).  Can anyone
confirm that maybe these scenes were in the theatrical release?  If not, it
looks like more scenes from the trailer were cut from the film than 
were kept.

Pete
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From: wallis@ils.nwu.edu (Mindy Wallis)
Subject: Re: In Defense of TAXI DRIVER
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:10:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.114608.7014@ms.uky.edu> nyberg@ms.uky.edu (Jack Nyberg) writes:

>
>Admittedly, TAXI DRIVER is not a movie that one would show to a gathering
>of friends and family, and I don't think it was meant to be.  TAXI DRIVER
>is a in-your-face paean to the irony of isolation in Urban America.

Let's face it, Taxi Driver is not a film that should be seen on the small
screen at all.  It was made to exploit all that big screen cinema has to
offer - it has some of the best cinematography ever seen in a motion picture.
(IMHO)  I think it is Scorsese's best work ever.

-----
Mindy
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Subject: Re: * Movie goofs list CANDIDATES for May, 1992
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:23:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
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In article <1992Apr2.030732.18977@muddcs.claremont.edu>, aroe@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stimpson J. Cat) writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.173230.8524@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
> 
>># Terminator 2
> 
>>-When Arnie is shooting his mini-gun at the cops from the Cyberdyne
>>building, the prop bullets are not pulled into the gun -- they just
>>hang there from the side of the gun as rounds magically fire out the
>>barrell.
> 
> If somebody with an LD want to confirm this for me, go ahead.  Many minigun
> cannons are equipped with a feeder which prevents the ammunition from jamming
> against misc. protrusions and keeps the belt from twisting on itself and
> jamming against the gun.  If you look real carefully, you can see that the
> "stationary" ammo is really a feeder and ammunition flows inside (visible as
> moving shadows, mostly).
> 

  This got rehashed a while back, and you have the correct explanation.
The mini-gun, made by GE, is equipped with an anti-jam feeder, as the belt
would hang limb and possibly act as aband say against your leg while
firing. In addition, there are TWO streams
of debris falling out the bottom of the gun. The shell casings
go out one opening after firing, and the metal clips that link
the shells together into a chain are discarded before firing.


  BTW, onbe goof I spotted is when Sarah shoots Dyson, the shot shows
dyson being hit in the left scapula. Later, when the T800 is examining
Dyson, he comments that there are no shattered bones (soft bullets in
Sarah's gun, I guess) then tells Dyson's wife to press on the
wound, which has migrated to the front of the shoulder.


  Also, when they are getting ready to blow up the lab, has anyone
noticed that the large yellow barrels are labled,"Poly-Dichloric Euthemal", the
illegal narcotic from "Outland".

  One thing I do admire is that Cameraon made both terminators perfectly
ambidextrous. Both terminators shoot both left and right handed in
equal amounts, which I thought  added to the idea that they were machines.



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From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ScriptWriter??????
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:51:12 GMT
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: sbb1@Ra.MsState.Edu's message of 7 Apr 92 00:35:42 GMT

In article <sbb1.702606942@Ra.MsState.Edu> sbb1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shay B. Berthelson) writes:

>I have a bunch of ideas for movie scripts and plays, has anyone ever heard
>or seen a program that will help you organize a script.  Sort of like
>a word processor that will give you options such as: Direction(Places the
>text in a larger margin or italics), Character choices( let you pick a         
>character from a pre determined list or add one, with a set of certain 
>keys), story line ( lets you tree a story line or concept so you can better
>follow ur idea)?  I don't know if this exist or not.  If it doesn't is 
>there any one who would be interested in helping to program such a word
>processor?
>

There are many.  For the Mac and PC there is Scriptor, which is a
post-writing script formatter.  For the PC there is Movie Magic, a
dedicated script processor.

For the Mac there is Final Draft (also a dedicated SP).

There is Collaborator and there is Plots Unlimited, both tools that
allegedly help you craft a story.

You can also set up styles in most word processors that do 80% of what
a script formatter/processor will do (but A/B pages, X-changes, smart
page breaking and the like are out).

jas
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From: burt@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (burton.d.fried)
Subject: Wizard of Oz
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:50:34 GMT

This is probably a shot in the dark, but here goes.
Does anyone out there know if any footage exists from the 
Renovation Sequence which was cut from the Wizard of Oz,
just prior to its release?

And, if by some remote chance it does exist, how/where it can 
be seen?

Thanks,

Burt
From: bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ScriptWriter??????
Summary: CompuScreenWrite
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:30:55 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


Hey, why let computers just help you organize your script?  Judging from the
movies that are being produced lately, I'll bet someone must have written
some software to churn the whole thing out given a few seeds.  Whatcha think?

If two movies had the exact same camera placements, movements and angles with
just different actors and scenery and modified dialogue, do you think anyone
would notice anymore?  Has anyone written a disassembler to use on movies on
a LaserDisk?  Hmmm....

Ben.


Ben Williams
bew@brahms.udel.edu

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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Dean R. Koontz
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:13:33 GMT

In article <29E38A42.8485@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, eabu202@orion.oac.uci.edu (Virany Margaret Kreng) writes:
> With all this talk about Stephen King and his books that are being made
> into movies, I was wondering if anybody knows of plans to make any of
> Dean Koontz's bestsellers (particularly THE BAD PLACE, COLD FIRE, PHANTOMS,
> and THE VOICE OF THE NIGHT) into movies. 

"Whispers" was made into a film a year or two ago.

There's another one that just came out on video, but I can't remember
the title. It's about a little boy that a bunch of cultists believe is
the Antichrist.

                                         -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Ingrid Bergman & Oscar & Murder on the Orient Express
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:56:58 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:
>In article <1992Apr08.155144.21182@uvmark.uucp>, scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl) writes:
>> With all of this post-Oscar discussion, I have a nagging question.
>> I know, I know, it's all impression, perception, competition, etc.,
>> but who else was nominated that year?  Was Ingrid "due" for a
>> sentimental award or something?

This was one argument at the time, since she didn't do much in the film at
for her it wasn't a challenging role.

>For what it's worth, I think it's unlikely that it was a sentimental
>award, because she won "Best supporting actress" for _Cactus Flower_
>in 1970 or so.

She also won two previous Best Actress Oscars, for Gaslight (mid-40's)
and Anastasia (1956).  In between was her awful stint with
Roberto Rossellini in Italy; who knows what more she could have
done if she stayed here.

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Subject: Re: SEQUEL TO T2
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:46:06 GMT
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

In article <sbb1.702571923@Ra.MsState.Edu>, sbb1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shay B. Berthelson) writes:
> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
> 
> 
>>   This is my first time reading and posting on this newsgroup, so I don't
>>   know if this was already talked about.  Anyway, did anyone notice that
>>   Arnold's arm that was ripped off was never distroyed?  Either the director
>>   forgot about it, or maybe this will lead to another Terminator movie.
>>   I hope not, 'cause it be hard to beat the two we have now.
> 
>>   Just wondering.
> 
> It does not matter that his hand or arm is still around, his internal cpu was
> destroyed, and that is what was causing the troble from the first movie.  The
> arm was just a mystery.  not enough to base a sequal on.    
> 

  If the studios think there's going to be money in a third film, they will do
it. Look how many they cranked out for JAWS before it finally swam away!

  Arnold was on the Mark & Brian show on KLOS, plugging his directorial debut
in "Christmas In Connecticut".  He did not dismiss the idea of a third
Terminaor film, explaining that the long delay between the first 2 films was
not a lack of faith in the project, but having to wait to secure the rights
from the producers of the 1st film (Hemdale, I think). A surprising
note was that he is thinking of doing ( and possibly directing) a third
"Conan" film.  He likes all the sword films he did, except for "Red Sonya"
which he says he shows only to people he does not like.



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From: lewocz@cs.Buffalo.EDU (John S. Lewocz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Diner
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:38:08 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: lewocz@zanian.cs.buffalo.edu


Does anyone know if the diner in Diner had a name?

--John
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From: salter_duke@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: _Robin and Marian_
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:34:14 +0900

In article <1992Apr14.231943.18208@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:
> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
> 
>>I have two questions concerning this movie.  It was directed by Richard Lester,
>>and I would like to know what else he has directed.  It said on the box that
>>he was a director of "swashbucklers".  The movie had a very similar feel to
>>_The Three (and Four) Musketeers_ films, and I must confess, I don't know
>>who directed them.  Was it Lester?
> 
> Unsure on the Musketeer films, but Mr. Lester directed SUPERMAN III and, if
> I'm not mistaken (my hesitation suggests that I must identify this one with
> Dick Donner, who did the first one), SUPERMAN II.
> 
>>And secondly I was very glad to see "Merlyn" in this film.  Can anyone supply
>>me with the other films Nicol Williamson has done besides the two I've
>>mentioned?  
> 
>

Richard Lester did "The Knack" and one of the early Beatles films - either
"A Hard Day's Night" or "Help", as well as the 3 & 4 Musketeers.

Nichol Williamson - one of a great generation of British stage actors -
was in "The Human Factor", based on Graham Greene's novel.

Linden


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From: jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jon Hodapp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Acts of Butchery (good book --> really lame movie)
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:49:10 GMT
Organization: JHU/APL

In article <5351@npri6.npri.com>, murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:
> 
> 
>     what is the BEST novel which has been made into the WORST movie?
> 

Other than the Lifetime GoodBook/BadMovie award, which deserves to be 
presented to Steve King, and ignoring Danni Steele's dubious BadBook/BadMini-
Series acheivements, the clear and not-too-arguable winner must be...Dune.

Dune is rightly hailed as one of the worst movies of all time (one of the
5 most expensive awful movies, too), and it came from a novel 
considered to be one of the greats in sf.  An intricate, deeply plotted novel, 
turned into cinematic mush.  Long, dreary, bad f/x, slapped together production
value...a real stinker.  I'm sure others have their favourites, but for my money
Dune is it.

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From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Regarding Henry:Henry V vs Henry V: Shakespeare and Men's
Date: 4 Apr 92 20:54:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

>In article <1992Mar16.230957.13516@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>>You're missing the point.  THERE IS NO BATTLE SCENE IN THE "REAL" HENRY
>>V.

No, I think you've missed the point.  Shakespeare wrote plays, plays are 
done on stages, it's very difficult to stage an exciting battle on a stage
so, he had most of the action take place off stage.  If it had been
feasible to do a battle on the stage Shakespeare probably would have
written it in.  Old Will wasn't writing plays for "art's" sake, he was
writing plays to support himself and to entertain the general population.
If he were alive today he would probably be writing blockbuster films.  
(Yes, I know there are valid questions about whether or not Shakespeare
really did write the plays but... that's not imoportant right now.)

One of the big reasons that Shakespeare's works have lasted so long is
that they are very flexible when it comes to interpretaions.  Taking 
HENRY V as an example:  look at Olivier's version and Branagh's version
and compare them.  Olivier did his in 1941 (I think) and it was basically
a war propaganda film (given that period in time - very appropriate, eh) -
Branagh simply put a different spin on it.  The plays lend themselves to
this well which is why people are still producing Shakespeare on the stage
and why they still occasionally make movies out of them.  You can see a
hundred different directors do one hundred productions of the same play
and see one hundred different interpretations.

Joan
From: peschko@orca.micro.umn.edu (Edward Peschko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best Scenes in movies (Another annoying thread)
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:10:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr17.021027.689
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.


Well.... Best scenes in movies? Hmm.....

Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire dancing (ie: symbolically making love) in 'The 
Gay Divorcee' to Cole Porter's 'Night and Day' ("Cigarette, my dear?")

Groucho and Chico Marks (both dressed as Lord Firefly) doing their 'mirror' 
scene mime in 'Duck Soup' (ten minutes long!)

Slim Pickens (Major 'King Kong') whooping it up like Bronco Bill dropping on
'target Borgshoff' on a hydrogen bomb in Dr Strangelove or how I learned to stop
 worrying and love the Bomb (lots of good scenes in that one)

End of Hitchcock's Psycho (when what's her face turns 'Mrs. Bates' around and
finds well.... uh no spoilers here.....

Merlin coming to Morgana as a 'dream' after being imprisoned and causing her
to use the 'Charm of Making' in 'Excalibur' (riding thru the orchard field
to the tune of 'Carmina Burana' was not bad either....)

The camera shoot in 'The Unbearable Lightness of Being' (why hasn't that movie
been discussed here anyways?)

Oh... since Sergei Leone has been mentioned... might as well throw in a couple
of my favorite western scenes:

In a 'Fistful of Dollars' -- the scene where Van Cleef strikes a match on the
back of the hump of Klaus Kinski's hunchback! (gotta see it... Klaus and Van
Cleef are great)

In the 'Wild Bunch' -- the shoot-out scene: in the middle of a temperance 
movement parade!

Well... these are the ones that come immediately to mind... I will probably 
be thinking of others for hours (curse you net people! :})

Cheers

Ed
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