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From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: VNS: Tue 17-Nov-1992
Keywords: VNS,news
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:35:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd


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 Edition : 2706              Tuesday 17-Nov-1992            Circulation :  7666

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VNS MAIN NEWS:                                    [Tom Povey, VNS UK News Desk]
==============                                    [Reading, England           ]

    Here is the News at 07:00 GMT on Tuesday 17-November-1992
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        
    UK News
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    FT-SE = 2679.6
    Exchange Rate for UK pound = $ 1.5183  = Dm 2.4175

    A political row has broken out in Westminster over the governments
    refusal to grant entry visas to over 100 refugees from the fighting in
    Bosnia. 6 refugees with family ties have been granted visas. Spain has
    offered to take the remainder.

    In a speech last night at the Lord Mayors Banquet, the PM called for a
    curb on pay rises in the private sector.

    A CBI report shows a general drop in sales last month.

    A judge has criticised the regime at a prison in Manchester saying that
    there is a gangland culture there with ready availability of drugs. The
    authorities are said to be tightening up their control of the prison.

    A report from the Bar Council has recommended that courts open in the
    evenings to help clear the backlog of hearings and to make it more
    convenient for people to come to court.

    European News
    -------------

    The UN Security Council has approved additional sanctions against Serbia
    and Montenegro.

    World News
    ----------

    Countries attend a UN-sponsored meeting in Denmark today to discuss how
    to bring forward the date for phasing out the use of chemicals that are
    damaging the earth's ozone layer. A date of 1995 or sooner is said to be
    needed, rather than the year 2000 as agreed earlier in Montreal.


    {News courtesy of the BBC}


    Local Weather
    -------------

    A cold night with some surface ice about this morning. Mainly dry day
    with sunny periods and windy. High 8C/46F.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:44:51 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: >: Wrong - my ego is intact.  My fury is the result of injustice.  Hard for
: >: you to grasp that, huh?
: > 
: >Frankly, neither I nor anyone else really gives a toss.
: > 
: 
: Exactly as I claimed - you canadians are simply all arseholes

I seem to recall a British law stating that being
called an "arsehole" by the Great Laurence Godfrey (PhD) 
is equivalent to the title of knighthood or lordship or something.
I'm tickled pink! Thank you, your Wankership.



-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
From: G.P.Hansford@bradford.ac.uk (GP HANSFORD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: The Winsor castle winter warmer
Summary: it burnt down
Keywords: winsor
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:03:57 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90462077@ccw317


Does life imitate life?

Notice recently that in Eastenders the pub was burnt down for the insurance money.

Notice also that Winsor Castle has burnt down, with the Duke of York there just before
it went off.

Coincidence?  I think not, and who are the insurance underwriters on the Monarchies policy?
Why the tax payers of course.  Is the Monarch keeping up the premiums?  Nah hasn't paid a
penny for centuries.


-- 
Graham Hansford,		e-mail on  g.p.hansford@uk.ac.bradford
Comp Sci,
Uni of Bradford,
Yorkshire, England.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Church unity and party unity (was Re: Catholic/Anglican faith)
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:41:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.070208.3690@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.202740.18055@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:

>>How can you be arguing vehemently on one front against the
>>top-down dogmatic authoritarian model of political parties,
>>and yet be arguing equally vehemently on another front for
>>the top-down dogmatic authoritarian practices of the (Roman)
>>Catholic Church?
>
>We are talking different spheres, so I wouldn't necessarily say
>the same arguments apply. However, I don't think I have been
>arguing for top-down authoritarian practices in the RC Church.
>I have said that if the RC Church decides to set certain
>parameters, such as its position in transubstantiation, then it
>is clearly nonsense to pretend those parameters don't exist.
>Within the parameters of the RC Church, a very wide range of
>opinions exist and are tolerated.

You said "the problem with the C of E is that it contains all sorts".
I'm not a member of any church (or indeed any religion), but I do get
the distinct impression that the RC Church is much more concerned with
propagating doctrine than most other Christian churches.  It seems a
little perverse to be opposed to the Conservative and Labour parties
on the grounds that they put pressure on their MPs to vote a certain
way, and then express support for a church which puts pressure on its
members to hold certain beliefs.  If every member of the RC Church
joined because of a genuine heartfelt belief in transubstantiation I'd
have no objection to its practices, but the impression I got when I
attended an RC school for three years was that this belief was forced
upon children at an age when they didn't really understand it.

--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street  | JANET: Guy.Barry@uk.ac.cam.cl 
Cambridge CB2 3QG, England, UK     | Internet: Guy.Barry@cl.cam.ac.uk 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: newspaper addresses sought
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:56:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.095030.23615@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>Hi,
>       I am looking for contact addresses for the following papers:
>
>The Daily mail (London?)
>The Sunday mail (Glasgow?)
>
>I have access to electronic yellow pages, but I can't find these
>organisations anywhere.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	This is where you're going wrong, the assumption of organization
	is made without evidence.

	Alec.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:40:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.142325.10890@hemlock.cray.com> andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner) writes:
>
>BTW - does anyone else think of the Spitting Image sketch
>      whenever the phrase "Special Relationship" crops up ?
>      It went vaguely like this :-
>
>	....
>	Douglas Hurd:	But you get to have airbases here, we
>			let you bomb Lybia from here, you got
>			to put cruise missiles here (etc etc)....
>			What do we get ?
>	Wienburger (sp?): Eh ?
>	Douglas Hurd:	What about the special relationship ?
>	Wienburger:	Well, that's what's so special about it...
>
I prefer the sketch with Maggie licking up to a certain part of
Ronnie's anatomy, with Ronnie pronouncing "The Special Relationship, a
bum deal for Britain"...

--
Colin Morris    Ingres, an ASK Group company     cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"It's never too late to hate Luton Town" -- Danny Baker
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hexham@acs.ucalgary.ca (Irving Hexham)
Subject: SOAS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:04:33 GMT
Distribution: britian
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I need to send a FAX to the JOURNAL OF AFRICAN HISTORY at the
School of Oriental and African Studies in London.  Can anyone
provide me with a FAX number for either the journal or SOAS.
Thanks.
Irving Hexham, Department of Religious Studies, University of
Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada, T2N 1N4

Hexha.acs3.ucalgary.ca
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:50:03 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor) writes:
: 
: Do not despair. I have detected signs of hope in land. There are a
: few reputeable eating holes that recognise
: a: Fish ain't fish unless it is wrapped in Newspaper
: b: Vinegar and salt can be added



Well THAT isn't much like home . . . a report in THE INDEPENDENT (I
think) last week said that most chippies serve up Non-Brewed COndiment -
only about 10% serve vinegar. And if NBC isn't properly diluted it can
cause bad burning to mouth and throat. I shouldn't hink that happens too
often though: it's always so diluted you can't taste it.

Richard Pennell, History
From: rgep@emu.pmms.cam.ac.uk (Richard Pinch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: What's the name of the Cambridge bookshop?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:10:56 GMT
Organization: Department of Pure Mathematics, University of Cambridge

In article <1992Nov17.122143.17001@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.034346.2724@netcom.com> 
> prwr001@netcom.com (Robert W. Row) writes:
>>I am trying to remember the name of the big bookshop
>>in Cambridge in England.  I had an account there in
>>the early 1970s but neither I nor an English friend
>>currently working over here who also bought books there
>>can remember its name.  One of those memory lapses that
>>gradually drives you mad.
>>Anyone can help, please?
>>[...]
>
>
>	Bowes & Bowes.
>
>	Alec.

Er ... Bowes and Bowes has been closed down for some time now.
I really think it would have been Heffers.

Richard Pinch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Subject: HELP!! regarding CIMA (London)
Summary: getting old exam papers
Keywords: CIMA (London)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:09:11 GMT



My brother is appearing for the ICWA (Institute of
Cost and Works Accountants, India) Final Exam in the
3rd week of December.  He says reviewing the
past question papers of exams conducted by
CIMA (London) helps a lot while preparing for
ICWA.  I tried getting copies of those question papers
(for the Advanced Cost and Management paper) from our 
library, but found that they are not
available--apparently they won't be useful to students here
as the accounting systems in the US and the UK
are different.

A friend of mine suggested calling the institute
in London to find out if they will mail old
exam questions and solutions for a fee.  I have
no idea as to who to call, etc.  This is compounded
by the fact that I might have got the institute's
abbreviations incorrectly.

Any help towards finding the correct name,
address, and telephone number would be deeply
appreciated.

Since I don't read SCB regularly, I'd appreicate
if you can respond to:  ramli@ele.uri.edu


Regards,

Ramli.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: NETFIND
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:04:02 GMT


	Requests for e-mail addresses on this group are
	common enough to make it worthwhile to point out
	that there is utility called "NETFIND" available
	at:

	bruno.cs.colorado.edu (128.138.243.151)

	This comes up as an option on our Internet menu so
	I don't know how easy it is to access.  Once you
	have established contact, log in as 'netfind'.
	I have had some success finding addresses using it,
	even in the U.K.

	Another line in the FAQ perhaps.

	Alec.
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:35:09 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <721914816.6313@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell) writes:

>> Scouse is another dialaccent which distinguishes
>> between you (2nd singular) and yous (2nd plural).

>No it doesn't. The more extreme varieties of Scouse employ ``youse''
>almost exclusively. 

There's an odd process by which the 2nd person plural becomes used as
formal version of the 2nd person singular, and then supplants the
original 2nd person singular. This leaves the language short of a
useful distinction, so a new 2nd person plural is invented; and the
process repeats. For example, "you" was the original plural of
"thee/thou"; and the recent "y'all" singular and "y'all all" plural of
some Southern state recently cited.

Can anybody explain why this happens?

-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: aledm@grant.ncd.com (Aled Morris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Scarlet Letter
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:12:56 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA

In article <28405@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
> they told me that she couldn't register
> as a British citizen because she was born ``out of wedlock'' (their words,
> not mine). The only thing to do was to get married and ``legitimise'' the
> birth.

I often wandered about the implications of the Christian morality on British
law.  If you tell them you are not Christian, do the same laws apply?  You
could be legally married in some other faith, for example, the Church
of Usenet.

Or your religion may not recognise the concept of marriage, hence their
request is meaningless.  Do they expect you to change faith?

Aled
(athiest)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:42:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.095724.28614@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
>in opposition) both resigned their peerages.  It's apparently felt
>that it would be bad form to have a PM in the Lords.
>
A PM in the Lords would be unable to take part in Commons business. It would
be similar to the situation Frank Cousins (I think) was in after Harold "White
heat" Wilson had appointed him Minister of (Technology? Or was that Wedgie?)
when he, Cousins, had managed to lose a by-election created specially for him.
You can do it but it doesn't work very well.

Tin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Followup-To: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.055848.4892@mdivax1.uucp>, robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)  writes...
>LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
>>
>>At the request of a number of readers of scb, scc and src, I have posted
>>below some recent correspondence which illustrates the dispute I am presently
>>engaged in with NRC.  I have nothing to hide.
> 
>Laurence, you have called Canadians assholes, you have said that you do
>like Canadians and Canada, and you have made numerous other derogatory
>remarks aimed at Canadians and Canada. I would suggest that at this point
>you are wasting your time posting the particulars of your dispute with the
>NRC to soc.culture.canada. Human nature being the funny thing that it is, I
>suspect that most readers of the aforementioned newsgroup could not care
>less about your predicament. In a sense that is too bad as an injustice is
>an injustice is an injustice; on the other hand, life's a bitch and then
>you die.
> 
>[sci.research.careers deleted from groups list for the obvious reason]
>-- 
>Jim Robinson
>robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
>{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

I know, but a few will.  And it takes only a few for the word to get around.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:28:35 GMT

This Scots-English discussion reminds of some stuff I read long ago about
language development.  When a dominant culture comes in with its own
language, the dominated culture reacts in a characteristic way.  People
at the interface develop a 'pidgin', a greatly simplified form of the 
dominant language containing characteristic forms: repetition for
emphasis, double negatives etc.  I seem to remember something about
a characteristic word order, too.  The common features of pidgins across
the world have been cited as evidence for an innate sense of language.

After a time, the pidgin develops into a 'creole', again with characteristic
features (which I have inconveniently forgotten), which restructures the
dominant language but uses elements of the other language as well.

'Creole French', spoken in Lousiana, is the language which gives its name
to this phenomenon.  In the US, 'Black English' is now recognized as a
restructured version of English along West African lines.

Now of course, the analysts of linguistic development quoted here
have been English/Scots/Irish etc.  Such people are unlikely to look at the
Gaelic-English interface in terms of the pidgin-creole progression, being
too close to the subject.  Suppose we go to the known creoles of the world,
and see if the various features of what we now call 'Scots' conform to that
model?

--
||Edmonton Alberta: home of the worlds newest pidgin, Yadallean.
||------------------------------------------------------------------------
||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:02:46 GMT

In article <1eov0vINNecq@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:

>  Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it 
>popular in Britain?

Not as far as I can recall.  But then, I support Manchester United.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16250 soc.culture.canada:8731
From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:43:28 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Nov20.162152.13301@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:
}godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
}: [hot air deleter]
}:
}: Also your English is confused - have you thought
}: of attending a remedial class for grammer and writing skills?
}
}Need we say more?
}

No but he will.
-- 
i.sinature
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:05:20 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Nov6.131357.25739@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>Another simple question:
>	Did the Tories get an absolute majority of all the votes in the
>	last General Election?
>
>Simple answer: No. 

But then few if any other governments have managed this since the war.

>
>Does this minority of votes cast for them give them a
>mandate to govern with an absolute majority in the house of commons?

Them's the rules - and it's open to the winner to change them if they wish
at any time.  So far no winning political party has felt the need.









-- 
Geoff. Lane. | Internet: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk | Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
During a week's TV I want to be entertained, bored, delighted, disgusted, made
happy, saddened, enlightened, mystified, else they aren't doing the job right.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: Re: Windsor Castle
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:37:05 GMT


  I havn't got any details to hand but from what I remember on the 
radio, it started in the Private Chapel, which was undergoing renovation
work and spread quickly throughout a large part of the castle.  While
there was major damage to the rooms, most of the paintings, etc were
saved by chains of people passing them out hand-to-hand.
  
--
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| Gwyn Evans  | evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com |  Uxbridge, Middlesex, UK  |
| DESISCo - Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd |
|  Views expressed and statements made are mine and not those of DEC   |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:53:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.032022.24974@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>Over here at Sun, we have a bottle of malt vinegar on the 
>condiment rack.  I was pretty impressed by that.  

A good start, but it should really be non-brewed condiment for that
authentic flavour. 

	Tim.
-- 
Tim Oldham, BT Group Computing Services.       tjo@its.bt.co.uk
``Sounds good to me''
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: JANET/Internet
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:27:41 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.


There is now a Janet IP Service (JIPS) with full two way Internet access so
Yes, Janet is now part of the Internet.  Many of the major UK Janet sites
now provide access to JIPS. 

-- 
Geoff. Lane. | Internet: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk | Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
During a week's TV I want to be entertained, bored, delighted, disgusted, made
happy, saddened, enlightened, mystified, else they aren't doing the job right.