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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: time between BASAR & CHLAV
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:21:31 GMT

In article <1iernbINN6k3@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>I wander what period of time most jews wait between
>BASAR and CHALV. 
>I thougt that 3 hours is the most common MINHAG.
>My wife thinks it's 5.31 hours.
>
>	What do u say, shell we take a poll ? 
>
>-- 

The Dutch Minhag is one hour

The German Minhag is 3 hours

The main Ashkenaz Minhag is 6 hours

However, there is a dispute as to what 6 hours mean

1.  6 full hours

2.  The majority of the sixth hour (ie 5hrs 31 minutes)

3.  Into the sixth hour (5 hours and some fraction, unsure of what)

Most of the people around here follow the full six hours and use
the second if in a bedieved situation.

I don't know what the Sfard minhag is but I have always thought it
was 6 hours as well.

The original mention in the gemara has an Amora (? or is it a tan)
saying how his father was much more pious than he is.  His father
waited a full day between meat and milk while "I wait maiais laais"
[from one time to the next].  THe main disputes center on what
"ais" is.  Most people come to the conclusion that it is the time
"between meals" and the arguments are what that means (and why).  I
believe Rashi and Rambma argue on whether it involves the time the
food is digested or the the concept of particles caught between the
teeth (irrespective of brushing).  There are halachic differences
involved in particular cases and I understand that we follow both
concepts.  The differences involve chewing without swallowing (as
mothers used to do for children) or swallowing without chewing (as
in sufficiently small pieces.

As I recall the arguments over time involve the one and six hour
times and I don't know where the German three hour minhag came
from.  Someone has told me that it might be a stringency added to
the one hour time but they were not sure.

Hope this helps.

_______________________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |
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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tradition (?) of gold flakes in wedding invitations
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:00:34 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1993Jan6.025917.25237@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
> I recently received a wedding invitation which was both decorated with gold
> flakes as well as containing loose ones. Does anybody know more about this
> tradition?
> 
> David Maddison
> Melbourne, Australia

It's obvious. The bride had a PhG
                                ^
(Yiddish: "PAPPA HOHT GELT"  [Dad has money])

What do you want ?  There hasn't been a s.c.j joke-of-the-day for over 3 weeks.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: raph@panache.demon.co.uk (Raphael mankin)
Subject: Re: reversed conversion 
Distribution: world
Organization: Solvfield Ltd.
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:14:46 +0000

In article <1ierteINN6k3@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il writes:

>to your best knolege, are there many Jews (if at all) 
>who convert to Xnity or Islam ? are there any of those
>who do it because they belive them to be more right ?
>
Bishop Hugh Montefiore.
>

-- 
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Raphael Mankin			Nil taurus excretum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:15:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.191557.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>In article <1ipaa6INNstr@titan.ucc.umass.edu>, shmueli@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Avinoam Shmueli) writes:

>> Do you like East Asians because they are good with numbers?

>Huh - they aren't particularly - only the Chinese.  

The way Jews can smell money with their long noses, right?

>> Would you grant peoples who are not good with numbers the right to a homeland?

>Having just demonstrated that someone (me) with a PhD in physics isn't
>so great with numbers that he cannot make an elementary mistake over
>the phase of the moon and variation with latitude, I'm hardly in a position
>to deny a homeland to those who aren't good with numbers!

Indeed, and yur innumeracy extends to the inability to distincguish
"some" from "all," leading to idiotic statements that sound like bigoted
stereotype.

>> Would you consider liking peoples or races who are not good with numbers
>> but who like hot food?

>I thought for a moment that I detected a note of sarcasm in the above.

Like, you weren't asking for it?

>> Do you think we should conduct math and culinary examination in order to
>> decide whether people have a right to a homeland, or perhaps we should
>> go straight for skeletal and skull-o-metric study in order to get exact 
>> analysis of their racial tendencies at a fraction of the cost?

>And again, if I'm not mistaken.

Go back and read some old issues of Biometrika.  People who thought
the way you do actually *did* those things.

>> Suppose we split the German people into many small states or let them
>> live (enlightened us!) under French, Polish, Russian, etc. rule.
>> After how many generations, (assuming they spice up their pork sausages)
>> can they be allowed to have their own state to be good with numbers at?

>The answer is never again.

Right -- stupid misconceptions and ignorance were always the best 
reasons for political action, so why stop now?

>> Do you think the Quebecois deserve autonomy, considering how un-hot most
>> Table d'Hote soups they serve up there are?

>I'm all for it - I quite understand how the Quebecois feel about the
>anglophones in Canada, as I feel much the same way myself.  The French
>Canadians have a rich culture and heritage that has been systematically
>worn away by the mediocrity of the Anglophones way of life.

And *speaking* of mediocre Anglophones...

>Laurence

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:28:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.050553.8450@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
> 
> More nonsense.  Where do you get this stuff?  I know of no poll,
> no study, no publications in current Germany that would suggest
> this sort of thing.  Can you name me a single writer of the German

But i know of several - newspaper polls in germany that took place while
I was living there in 1991/2 - which demonstrated that large percentages
(sorry, can't recall the figures), including the majority of school-age
students, admitted to wanting the foreigners out of germany and significant
fractions (of the order of 20 - 30%) who said they supported the aims of
the neo-nazis.

> Did *all* Germans do that?  Did they do it because they were German?
> Did no non-Germans do the same or worse?  Would no American ever do
> that?  Again, say what you mean: do you expect the typical 30-year-old
> German to be more capable of doing such a thing than the typical
> 30-year-old Frenchman or Israeli or Chinese?
> 
I do. 

> What does Germanness have to do with it?
> 

Who knows why?  You are the apologist for Germany (8 consecutive postings
supporting the Germans tonight alone) and the German expert on s.c.j, so
perhaps you can explain why the Germans started two world wars, why the
Germans implemented a plan to exterminate an entire race from Europe, why
the Germans believed that Aryians were in some way superior, why the Germans
continue to hate foreigners (no, not all of them, just most of them).
> 
> Answer the question: why should you hate the grandson for it?
> 
I don't hate the grandson for the sins of his grandfather, although your
question isn't addressed to me.  I just think he ought by now have been
French, danish, polish or whatever, rather than German, for the sins
of his grandfather.  I don't even think that's a punishment.


Laurence
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Who did Cain marry? (David Question)
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:00:38 GMT

In article <C0rMpx.Fq@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>In article 4776@cbnews.cb.att.com, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>
>>The Torah prohibits incest, and the sages tell us by the time of
>>Noah, incest was prohibited.  Yet that didn't prevent it from
>>occurring.  Even King David is descended from an incestous
>>relationship, after all.
>
>What were the circumstances? This is the first I've heard of this.

King David's great-grandmother was Ruth, a convert who was (by birth)
a Moabite. The Moabites were descended from Moab, who was Lot's child
by his elder daughter.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewi
Summary: What's this about Michael?
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:25:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1993Jan3.161302.22994@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn) writes:
>In article <1473600019@igc.apc.org> sdubin@igc.apc.org (Stephen Dubin) writes:

>Sounds like a good idea to me.  Here are a few well-known cases for starters:

> Diane Feinstein

I thought Ms. Feinstein was a convert with a Jewish father. Wasn't there
a thread about this during the elections?

> Michael Landon

I could have sworn that I heard Michael Landon was Jewish. I believe
that it was on Saturday Night Live (how's that for a authoritive source
:-) ) where they had a Game Show where the guests had to guess if the
person mentioned was Jewish or not. Which leads to a far far better
thread on Jewish Commedians on SNL in particular. I liked the "Car
Advert" where a Rabbi performed a curcumcision in the back of an
Oldmobile while it raced around town, down dirt roads etc. This was
a claim about how smooth the ride was :-)

> Sharon Stone


Joseph Askew


-- 
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jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.
From: sasmfk@moose.unx.sas.com (Mike Kalt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Looking for info on Galicia
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:55:37 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasmfk@moose.unx.sas.com


My family comes from Galicia in Eastern Europe, specifically from a town 
called Stryj (sometimes spelled Stryy or Stryi).  I have been trying to 
find more information on the area and hope to travel there soon, but I 
am finding info to be very scarce.  Does anyone know of sources of 
information about the area?  I have found one book called "Shletl 
Finder" and another called "The Politics of Nation Building in 19th 
Century Austria" (I think that's the title).  They have a little 
information, but not much.  I have also heard reference to a "Stryj
Society" that existed in New York many years ago--apparently made up of 
former residents of the town.  Is anyone familiar with the society or
related groups?  

                                                                    
I'm also looking for advice on travel to the area.  Most of the area is
now in the Ukraine, but very near Poland.  Would it be easier to get to 
through Poland or Ukraine?  How easy is it to get around without 
knowledge of the language?  If I wanted to learn enough language to get 
around, which language would be best?

Any info on the above subjects is appreciated.
 

-- 
 <----->
Mike Kalt
Tech Support        E-Mail: sasmfk@unx.sas.com
SAS Institute Inc

  "A witty saying would go here if I could think of one"
Date: Sunday, 10 January 1993 11:14:20 MST
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: A new name for Goyim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1993Jan9.214933.6979@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)  wrote:
# 
# In article <1993Jan8.230635.3486@nmsu.edu> chlewis@dante.nmsu.edu (LEWIS) writes:
# >
# >I propose that we should stop with this tomfoolery about " Jews for Jesus"
# >and call these persons what they should be called--Goyim for Jesus!
# 
# I generally refer to the J4Js as "Yids for Yashke."

  I mumble "Jew ForJeries".  Appropriate several ways.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:59:58 GMT

In article <4618@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
>(Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
>
>> Where do the palestinians come from?
>
>From : Egypt , Syria , Afgahnistan, Iran, Magrab ( North Africa),
>      Turky, Bosnia , Saudi-Arabia  ....

And where do the jews come from?

Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria,
Morocco, France, Britain, USA, Argentina, South Africa, Australia, Tukey.
What was your point again? :-)

I'm sure the few million palestinians born in palestine would be thrilled to
know that they were actually born somewhere else whilst all the jewish
immigrants are actually "from" the great state of Israel.

>
>For more details look at : Britanica (1910) PALESTINE , population .
>
>and at the new very detailed scientific book:
>
> Prof.  DAVID GROSSMAN:  RURAL PROCESS-PATERN RELATIONSHIPS
>        Published by Praeger   March 1992.
>
>The book is based on both: written old sources and an extensive
>researches in the area , aspecially in the samaria farms where the big
>Egyptian mass population is located.
>There are a lot of maps tables and diagrams.
>A must for everyone interesting in the topic.

So are the records of all the jewish immigrants to Palestine. Why is palestine
always empty so that all of these gentiles keep moving into it?

>
>  Shalom     Gideon Ehrlich
>
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:51:54 CST
From: <U60019@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans

In article <1993Jan12.174651.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de says:
>
>In article <46265@unlisys.in-berlin.de>, stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de
>(Christian Lampl) writes:
>
>> I'm not proud of the things my ancestors have done. I just
>> don't believe that people in other countries would have behaved
>> in a different way. Look at the countries Germany had occupied.
>
>Utter bullshit - there is no other people who have behaved as the
>Germans have done in the past, nor would any other nation behave that
>way at present.
>
>Laurence

Utter bullshit (to adopt your terminology)! The Germans ducked
because of Gestapo-suppression as did any other nation under
dictatorship! The crimes that everybody rightfully abhors
were committed by a carefully selected team of perverts, NOT
by THE PEOPLE! Note for example the behaviour of the Russians
when the Csar sent politically unconvenient people to sibiria:
when there was a way of doing it without being harmed themselves
many would help the deported, but that was all - much the same
as the standard german behaviour. That many Germans turned in
their neighbours to the Gestapo is despicable, but true - but
again it is the direct consequence of the pressure exerted on
them and of the "mental training" they received from expert
propagandists. You probably would have done the same, given
the chance, judged by the hate you bear in your heart. In fact,
NOBODY can predict what he would do in a similar situation -
unless he is completely programmed (i.e. an android). Your
complete lack of understanding for people different from
yourself and your inability to change your mind sometimes make
me believe you belong to that class (and I'd certainly like
to have a word with the programmer :-( ).

Volker

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u60019@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: idfriedm@hertz.uwaterloo.ca (id friedman)
Subject: Re: The NYPD situation (was: Say it ain't so)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:22:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.020756.13646@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.182405.29546@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>
>>I, for one, am glad that I did NOT sit on that jury bench.  Why?  Because
>>of the passions on both sides of the case 
>
>You will note that at the time of the trial, the passions (of hatred)
>were mostly on the side of the Black community.  No Blacks were
>stabbed to death by Jews, no Black businesses were looted and torched
>by Jewish mobs in a riot, no Black residences were targets of Jewish
>mobs crying "Kill the Blacks".  Jews were on the receiving end of all
>of the hate-ridden violence surrounding Yankel Rosenbaum's murder.
>
>>and the incredible evidence which
>>had to be considered.
>
>And which was ignored.
>
>>The jury in this case really had to look at the evidence
>>presented to them and could NOT think about any evidence not formally
>>allowed into presentation.  
>
>But the mostly Black jury somehow managed to throw out ALL of the
>evidence against the Black defendant.  This is an upsetting turn of
>events, and a danger to the justice system, as it stands.
>
>-- 
>Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
>American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
>My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.

I read a good article on that situation in Commentary ( I think the Jan. 1993
issue). I find it extremely disconcerting ( despite the fact that I don't live
in NEw York or any other American city). 

I think that we should investigate the possible bias of juries composed of
mostly balcks or other minorities in situations that arise from ethnic tensions,
if we are willing to investigate all white juries.

Ishay

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewi
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:40:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.180358.23568@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.161302.22994@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn) writes:
>>In article <1473600019@igc.apc.org> sdubin@igc.apc.org (Stephen Dubin) writes:
>>>
>>>Perhaps it is also appropriate to list people who, although they have
>>>Jewish names; have a non-Jewish mother e.g. Howard Stern.
>
>Except that Howard Stern does have a Jewish mother, so he's still shanda.

I have heard Howard on the radio say that his father is Jewish and that
he is half Jewish (Stern's words not mine =B^] ).  So then how is his
mother Jewish?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:35:51 GMT

In article <C0LI8z.Mxt@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
> 
> (Re Germans...)
> 
>>I lived there for two years from 1990 - 92.  Is that okay?  The fact that other
>>countries perform atrocities does not excuse the Germans theirs, and I do
>>not single out the Germans at all - it is just that this posting concerned
>>the Germans. 
> 
> Laurence, why don't you tell s.c.j. how many other ethnic groups
> you've excoriated in your postings? I know you posted many times
> to sci.research.careers, with the same sort of stuff about Canadians..
> 
> Are there any ethnic groups you like?
> 
> Lenore Levine

Hi Lenore, well sure:  I dislike Canada but for quite different reasons to
Germany.  Who do I like:  the Thai (excepting a few individuals), the
Filipinos (excepting a few individuals), the Malays, most East Asians.
I'm quite fond of the Southern and South-Eastern Europeans too.

Laurence
From: de@moscom.com (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:15:47 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <4135@randvax.rand.org> talmy@randvax.rand.org (Shel Talmy) writes:
>
>Well, let's see---there's Bob Dylan, Herb Alpert, I think Springstein, and

Springsteen (not the spelling) is Irish.

-- 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -->     David Esan      de@moscom.com  
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Bobg@cullen.demon.co.uk (Bob Gregory)
Subject: Fireworks
Distribution: world
Organization: Cullen Crosswords
Reply-To: bobg@cullen.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:29:22 +0000

Gentlemen of your ilk (BOTH OF YOU) are living proof that peace between
those of diverse creeds not only is but will forever remain a completely
unattainable ideal. It would be more constructive to pool your individual
zeals and apply them in aggregate to enemies of the Jewish state and jews
in general.

9.1.93
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:41:51 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:

>they shall never be forgiven.  It remains yet to be seem whether their
>children have learned anything from their recent history.  Judging by the
>re-emergence of the Nazi youth movement, the skinheads, and the Nazi
>rockers, the answer at this time is NO!

I suppose Michael is in the same boat then. He shall never be forgiven for the 
sins of the Nazi youth movements, the skinheads and extreme rightists we have 
in this country. Shame on him for living here and be a part of it all.

When will people involve themselves in the crimes of their fellow man when 
they start to castigate a whole group of some kind simply because of their 
birth or place of residence? If they were to turn on their brains sometime 
nothing would surely come out.

fred
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:35:53 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <93004.225831PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> PC2370A@auvm.american.edu (Peter M. Cohen) writes:
>
>NOT  YOU OR ANY BASTARD ARABS CAN KILL US OFF !!!!

The Israeli-Arab Situation has nothing whatsoever to 
do with anti-semitism.

>just a friendly reminder :-)

Need we remind YOU?

>shalom (peace)

Mahchar?

Anisa

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