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From: dennett@cyclone.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett)
Subject: English Polotical Divisions was (Re: England Q: recording shire)
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:24:33 GMT

The discussion about English political divisions (as pertains to towns,
etc., not Parliment!)  is very interesting and very useful information
for those of us who have links to England.  I was wondering, would it
be possible for someone who knows to write up a brief description of
how it all works.  How do shires/towns/villages, etc all fit into the
picture.  I have the impression that English people tend to name their
homes and or estates.  Does this figure into the picture at all?  What
is the correct form of a postal address?

For example, I have data on a possible ancestor back from the mid
1600's.  He is said to be "of Hurst Pierpoint", Sussex, England.  What
do they mean by "of"?  Is/was Hurst Pierpoint a town?  I looked quickly
at a current atlas and found an East and West Sussex.  I assume that
these used to form Sussex.  I'll look tonight to see if 
Hurst Pierpoint is there.

I would like to include this information in the FAQ posting I've
promised to provide.  If any others have similar information about
other countries, or know where a such information exists, I'd like to
include that, also.  (Attention Fred Rump.  You seem to be well versed
in German information like this.  Any chance of your contributing
something for the FAQ?)

Thanks for any information.

Genealogically yours,
 
Charles Dennett  --  dennett@Kodak.COM  --  Any DENNETT information welcome.
Researching: BARNARD, CORBETT, DENNETT, DURGIN, FROST, STODDARD, WHITNEY.
Mostly Colonial New England to present.  STODDARD is Nova Scotia.
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Subject: Whispers From The Past
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:07:22 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

     I forgot to mention; this book is written by Harold I. Sanderson and 
is published by Minuteman Press, 93 Public Square, Watertown, NY 13601.

-Bob

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Yesterday I posted a note about the PAYNE family genealogy.  Here is
one source:
Louise Pecquet du Bellet, _Some Prominent Virginia Families_
(Baltimore, 1976).
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Seeking ACTON, BAILEY, BALL, BEALE, BEAUMAN (BEAUMIER), BILLINGTON,
BOBO, BRAKE, BRITTAIN (BRITTON), CALVERT, COLSTON, CORGAN (CORRIGAN),
EVERENDEN (EVERDEN, EVENDEN, EVERNDON), FERREE (FERIE, FIERRE, FIRE,
FIERE), GRIFFIN, HARM, HARWAR, HEWITT, KENNERLY, LEATHERWOOD, LEE,
LEFEVRE, McCARTY, McQUEAD, MUCH, MURFIN, MUSGROVE, PILGRIM (PILGRAM),
POPE, SAUERWEIN, SONTAG, TARRANT, TAVERNER, TERRY, UNDERWOOD,
WAREMBOUR (de WARENBUR), WEGMAN, WOODRUFF, YERBY.



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From: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com (Paul Weaver)
Subject: Re:      Historical/Genealogical Societies in the U.S.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 18:20:36 GMT
Reply-To: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <9212302019.AA10516@enet-gw.pa.dec.com>,         "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs, writes:
|> Since many of my ancestors are from the south, I was wondering if anyone
|> on the net had a listing of the Historical/Genealogical societies in the
|> southern U.S. I am particularly interested in North Carolina, South
|> Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Florida.
|> 
|> The same holds true for the Mid Atlantic states and New England.

   Try a book called "The Source", that you can find in the genealogy reference
   section of any large library. It lists genealogical societies for each state
   in the back of the book. I don't have the author's name, or ISBN number though.

|> 
|> Thanks in Advance,
|> 
|> Mike
|> 
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Mike Holland
|> Digital Equipment Corp.
|> 305 Rockrimmon Blvd.
|> Colorado Springs, Colorado
|> (719)592-5964
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> HOLLAND, CHAPMAN, JACOBS, WOMBLE, HESTER, BAKER, GRIMMER, TRAWICK, SHOUTER,
|> STRINGER, MONTGOMERY USA/AL/GA/FL/SC/NC/VA early 1700s until Present
|> 
|> SMITH, SCOTT, PRITCHARD, KITTLE, DENNISON, SKIDMORE, SHELTON, DALTON, THARP
|> OR THORP, GARVIN, MOODY, JOHNSON, STALNAKER, CRAWFORD, SKINNER, DAVIS, HENKLE
|> USA/WV/VA/PA/NJ/IRELAND/SCOTLAND/WALES/GERMANY early 1700s until Present
|> 
|> GROVER, TORRY, MOORE, ADAIR, HENDERSON, SAYELS, MCMURRAY, GANER, WOOD,
|> LEWIS, MCALISTER, MCSWEENEY
|> USA/VT/NY/MA/IRELAND/SCOTLAND early 1700s to present

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Royalty GEDCOM, & the Rump-Pennell debate
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:21:03 GMT

holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA writes:

>There's more I want to say, but this is too long already.

Steve, you make you point well and it illustrates exactly what I was trying to 
say. Beginning genealogists like to find a way to existing lines so that their 
work becomes one of copying other people's labors - good, accurate or fiction.

Burke's Peerage work has been thoroughly debunked by now. So has much that 
was done in the past about royal lines by others. 

Everyone should do what they feel is fun but they should not call it scholarly 
work in genealogy or history unless they've checked the sources and can back 
up whatever they claim.

The fun of genealogy to me is finding those obscure people you mention that 
simply came and went and seemingly left no trace. Yet they are our ancestors 
just as much and in normal greater proportion. Few people had absolutely no 
effect on anything. It simply requires a bit more digging to find what it was.

Fred 
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:03:02 EST
Reply-To:     David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU
From:         David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU
Subject:      Illegal Marriages
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Tom Lapp writes

<<So, I was under the impression that the marriage
 license was the only thing required by the state.  Why would a minister
 have to be licensed?  I didn't think that the state cared about the
 religious significance of the union.>>

You r response makes sense. But my own marriage license of a few years back
 shows that the
minister was indeed licensed to perform weddings and had a seal and
number to prove it.  I recently queried an octogenarian Mennonite from
Lancaster County and he confirmed the fact.

I'd appreciate your checking with counties adjacent to you in Newark
(Chester and Lancaster) to see what current score is.

Cheers!

David L. Carson
userGP45@mts.rpi.edu
carsod@aix.rpi.edu
From: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul G. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: SHIFLETT/GREENLEE Surnames
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:39:06 GMT
Reply-To: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul G. Wright)
Organization: Chevron Petroleum Technology Company


  I am interested to hear from anyone doing research on:

      SHIFLETT - from the Stanardsville, VA area. The specific line is that 
connected with Carson Lafayette or Ira Shiflett (or Shifflett or....). Moved 
to Iowa circa 1860.

       GREENLEE - from Greeneville, Greene Co., TN area. Specifically a John 
Burton Greenlee, born about 1825. Moved to Iowa circa 1860.


 Thanks in advance.

Paul Wright - Information Systems
E-MAIL: tpgwr@chevron.com
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Royalty and probability
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:05:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.174536.20012@compu.com> fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:
>
>NO, not in my opinion. What good is guessing at guessing? Why not simply leave 
>the unknown for what it is. If I can't prove the connection, however tenous 
>the actual genetic connection may be, I will leave such genealogy to the 
>writers of fictional family histories.
>
>It is bad enough doing genealogy when one knows has supporting documents, let 
>alone guessing at probability of unknown facts. It stretches fun a bit too 
>far into never-never land.

I disagree with you.

1- If you have hundreds of so guesses and work on them, you have to have
something to manage them so that you can manage events like: you find
a second source for a know "guessed link", so you can check what you
already have and then can better evaluate if it is actually a new data
or just some new book reproducing the same data; or when you know what
you are looking for, you will more likely find it: if you know X is
probably born in Y parish in year 1725, you can check that particular parish
among hundreds and that year.  If you have a lot of checks, your software
should give you some help to manage this part of the search process.

2- I begin to think of 2 kinds of genealogical programs: plain tree editor
which help you to enter known data; genealogical manager which help also
to manage all the data you have to prepare you before a new search, for
example.  To give you an idea of what a gen. manager can do: before visiting
a remote court house, build a file or assemble data I want to check in
that place.  When checking in records of a given town or parish (in new
books, for example), manager could isolate records for that place in a
workfile or in a printout.  Then, you take the workfile in the portable
computer, go to the remote place or library, check and correct data you
have, and come back to the central repository and update it.

A manager would save tree (if you use a portable) and time by giving
you the only data you need instead of a long list of data; it would
even help to organize one's data.

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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:33:25 -0400
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From:         HENZLEEF@SNYBUFVA.BITNET
Subject:      Roscommon Ireland

My grandmother was from Cloomyg-----------, Castherea, County of
Roscommon Ireland.  She died way before I was born and little if nothing
is known of her or her descendants.  Does anyone on this list know anything
about this area of Ireland - and how I should begin a search.  I am very
new to this list.  Any help would be very much appreciated.  Thanks.
HENZLEEF@SNYBUFVA
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:06:00 EST
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From:         JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      re: matrilineal descent

My daughter has 10 known generations following the mother's lines
Anne Robinson DUNN
daughter of Mary Penrose LAME
daughter of Mary Massey PERKINS
daughter of Mabel MASSEY
daughter of Mary WOODALL
daughter of Anna Mathilda CALLEY
daughter of Mathilda LAWS
daughter of Anne PARKER
daughter of Vashti WHALEY
daughter of Mary RADCLIFFE
daughter of Mary SMOCK

More than I remembered until I looked it up.  On my line we go only
four generations for the mothers and are unlikely to go further.
Irish records don't go back far for the poor.

Jim Dunn
BITNET: JWD at PSUVM
INTERNET:JWD@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Researching DUNN, PARKER, MCNELIS, BYRNE, BURNS, WALSH, CAVANAUGH
      LAVIN, CARNEY, PETTIGROVE, HORINE, PELHAM, MEARS, FRESHNEY,
      CANNON, DONOVAN, MONARCH, MEEHAN, DUNLEAVY, AND CARR.
also  LAME, PERKINS, COMSTOCK, FISKE, ADAMS, ROBINSON, PENROSE,
      and MASSEY but less actively.
From: Deb.Koplen@f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Deb Koplen)
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Subject: Texas Workshop
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 19:06:22

Grand Prairie (Texas) Genealogical Society's Annual Spring Workshop will be held on 13 March 1993 and will feature Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck.  Mr. Bockstruck, well-known author and librarian will lecture on those very important genealogical states -- Virginia, North Carolina and Kentucky.  In addition to the quality of the speakers, the GPGS workshops are known for having a large, on-site, vendor representation, plus valuable "Goody Bags" and many door prizes. The workshop will be held at Jackson Middle Scho



ol; 305 W. Warrior in Grand Prairie from 8:30 AM to 5:00 PM. The fee for the Session is $15.00 ($17.00 at the door) and mailed befor March 10, 1993 to Grand Prairie Genealogical Society; Attention: Workshop Registration; P. O. Box 532026; Grand Prairie, TX 75053-2026.. Lunch is a "Brown Bag Affair" and beverages will be made available.  For more information, send a SASE to the Society.

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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:31:35 EST
Reply-To:     Ron Field <71024.1033@COMPUSERVE.COM>
From:         Ron Field <71024.1033@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      New York
Comments: To: ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

Does anyone have access to directories for New Rochele, New York?
I'm trying to locate a couple of great aunts who were living there around
1925. There was an Amy Field and Hetty (Harriet?) Field, and one of them
married a Charles(?) Gra(e)y.  I know they had a daughter, Delores Gray (who
was an actress in a few movies and had a couple of records I'm told) her
father was a music publisher.  I know that the parents divorced and thats
were it ends.  Also a great aunt of mine Doll (Delores) went to live with
for a time but dates are unknown.

Thanks for any help,

Ron Field
Guelph, Ontario


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Subject:      Re: Question on relation
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              at Jan 4, 93 6:03 pm

Jennifer Farnham writes:

>
> Heres the scenario:    Two siblings.
>
> Sister and Brother.
>
> Sister has daughter and daughter has two sons.
>
> Brother has son.
>
> What is the Brother's son to the daughter's sons?

He is first cousin, once removed.


> What is the brother to the daughter's sons?
>
He is their great-uncle.
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Re: Poifictly good aircraft?
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:03:01 GMT
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In article <5JAN199320435776@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:
|> 
|> I've only jumped tandem, and only 5 times, and every time I had 
|> company. (Ok, ok, so I was cargo.)

Civilian jumping, tandem or no, cannot compare to an airborne assault, when
you have to empty several planeloads of troops onto a small DZ!  Try sitting
in a small net sling along with 80 or so people, wearing a large backpack, 
with a large duffle bag strapped under your chest pack reserve, with a rifle
in a pouch (or even worse, an M60 mg) strapped to your leg!  Then when the
jumpmaster says "STAND UP!"  you've got to actually try and stand up!

|> 
|> The jumps (except for the darn chute openings) were great.

It was my experience that the opening shock was the best thing I could ever
hope to feel (Thank you, whoever you are, it opened!!!), seconded only by the
look up to see a fully inflated canopy!  Everything else seemed to pale in
comparison!  Would you rather not feel any opening shock? :-)

|> But going up in that dang shoestring & glue plane sucked every time.
|> 
|> Youse guys were lucky you had something more "substantial" to laze
|> away the time in.
|> 
The plane may be more substantial, but the jockeys, especially the sadists
who drove the C130's, had a game they played:  let's see how many troops we
can get to lose their lunch today.  Ask any one who's been the last plane in
a trail formation how much turbulence they fly through!  Up until they actually
turned onto the jump run they loved to adjust their formations for maximum
troop discomfort.  During my time with the 82D ABN DIV (by the way; the 82D is
the only full Airborne Division in the US Army.  The 101st is more correctly
called an Airmobile Division) back in the early '70's the best jumps are
chopper blasts out of Hueys, followed closely by the C5 loads.  I'm not
sure if they use the C5 much anymore, but we had several runs back in 1972
testing various configurations and the hop off the tailgate was a real blast.

--
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alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca
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Subject: Sangmeister Chosen to Head Veterans' Housing Panel
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:46:48 -0600
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Here is a press release from the House Committee on Veterans Affairs.

 Sangmeister Chosen to Head Veterans' Housing Panel
 To: National Desk, Veterans Affairs Writer
 Contact: Jim Holley of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs,
          202-225-3527

   WASHINGTON, Jan. 6   -- Democratic members of the
U.S. House Committee on Veterans' Affairs today elected Rep. George
Sangmeister (D-Ill.) to chair its Subcommittee on Housing and
Memorial Affairs.
   Sangmeister, a Korean Conflict-era Army veteran has been a member
of the committee since 1989.
   Veterans' Affairs Committee Chairman G.V. "Sonny" Montgomery said
Sangmeister's election to the post "is a demonstration of the trust
his colleagues place in his advocacy for veterans and his ability to
serve their common interests and concerns."
   "We need strong, active leaders like Rep. Sangmeister to prepare
our veterans' programs for the challenges of a massive military
drawdown, the needs of a rapidly growing older veteran population,
and the growing problem of homelessness among veterans," said
Montgomery.
   As chairman of the Subcommittee on Housing and Memorial Affairs,
Sangmeister will have oversight and legislative jurisdiction over the
VA home loan guaranty program.  Under this program, veterans can
qualify for loans up to $184,000 without having to make downpayments.
Since the program's inception in 1944, more than 13.5 million
veterans have received a total of $387 billion in home loans.  In
fiscal 1992, more than 265,000 veterans received VA-guaranteed home
loans in the amount of $23 billion.
   Sangmeister's subcommittee also maintains jurisdiction over
veterans' burial benefits, as well as policies and maintenance of the
National Cemetery System.  According to VA, approximately 67,000
veterans are interred annually in the system's 114 cemeteries.
   "I am honored to have been elected by my colleagues on the
Veterans' Affairs Committee to lead this important subcommittee and
thank Chairman Montgomery for supporting my nomination," Sangmeister
said.  "I look forward to working through this panel to improve the
housing prospects for millions of veterans and to ensure that the men
and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for this country are never
forgotten."
 -30-
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From: Steve Ernst
Subject: Re: RAF Lakenheath
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:34:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.205702.8284@news.unomaha.edu> jcitro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe
Citro) writes:
>The Best thing to do is to go to Family Services at their current base
>and check out the pamphlet on RAF Lakenheath.  That will give them a lot of
>information.  And no, the TV won't work.  They use a whole different system
>of TV broadcast in Europe.  They will enjoy themselves over there though.
>
>-- 
>                             Joe Citro  - CMSgt(Ret)/USAF              
>       Newsletter Editor - Metro Apple Comp.Hobbyist  (MACH)  - Omaha NE      
                            Members of "The Dead Computer Society"
> Internet - jcitro@cwis.unomaha.edu  --==[++]==--  America Online = JAX33
>


I must have missed the previous posting.  Who is going to RAF Lakenheath?  I
left the base last December so I have some fairly recent knowledge of the area.
 Please feel free to contact me by e-mail if you have any questions. 
(sernst@mitre.org)

- Steve