HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rfischer@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: WriteNow 3.0 and assembly language
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:02:40 GMT

tbeaubie@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Todd Beaubien) writes ...
>I've been saying that for a long time as many of my fellow CS majors
>just gush about how much they like C and distain languages like Ada,
>Pascal, and Lisp (not that I care for turning my brain inside out to
>do lisp and recurse everything, mind you :-) ).
>
>I keep telling them, "Why would I want to program in C? If I wanted
>to do assembly language, I'd just do assembly language!"

However, C _is_ a high level language, and computer architecture designers
are starting to come up with designs that are easier for compilers to 
deal with and harder for people.  In particular superscalar designs with
varying latencies and opportunities for things like speculative execution
makes it likely that a compiler may actually be able to consistently do
a better job of code generation than can programmers.

And if you think that thinking in Lisp is tough, just try some Prolog
"programming".  Eeech.  Hurts my brain just to think about it.  Rather
use Ada anyway.

Ray
rfischer@cs.stanford.edu
From: tbeaubie@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Todd Beaubien)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: WriteNow 3.0 and assembly language
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:14:49 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Apr8.023144.26793@bilby.cs.uwa.oz.au> quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au (Quinn "The Eskimo!") writes:
>Quinn "The Eskimo!"   <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>  "Real Coke, Diet .sig"
>Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
>  -- Seeing himself doing more assembler as C gets more popular
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!

I've been saying that for a long time as many of my fellow CS majors
just gush about how much they like C and distain languages like Ada,
Pascal, and Lisp (not that I care for turning my brain inside out to
do lisp and recurse everything, mind you :-) ).

I keep telling them, "Why would I want to program in C? If I wanted
to do assembly language, I'd just do assembly language!"

Todd Beaubien : CS majors don't get Spring Breaks, or weekends, or . . .
UT at San Antonio
tbeaubie@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Info on DiskFit Pro
From: jmatthews@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:16:23 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Can any DiskFit Pro (Dantz Development) users here offer their
thoughts? I'm looking at upgrading from v1.5.1 and I'd like to know:

1) does the new DiskFit offer a more convenient way to exclude folders
   than the  old "brackets" [FolderName] technique?

2) does this (exclusion methood) work for duplicate (image) backups?

3) does this (exclusion methood) work for incremental backups?

Thanks for any feedback. Please respond by email. If there's interest
I'll summarize.

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From: yahnke@macc.wisc.edu (Ross Yahnke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Need help with PowerBook FAX software
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:01:02 GMT
Organization: Madison Acedemic Computing Center

In using the PowerBook FAX software I find that on the cover page the
"To:" field information is never filled in. Everything else on the cover
page is there and the subsequent fax looks ok. 

When I do a preview of the fax, same story, no info in the "To:" field.
What am I doing wrong???

- Ross
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: GIF viewer for Mac II
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:02:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <tv4t43@rpi.edu>, johnsh@aix.rpi.edu (Hugh Witt Johnson) writes:
> 
> Joseph S. Polvino (polvino@ssd.kodak.com) writes:
> 
> >I'm looking for an application that will display a .GIF file from the MS-DOS
> >domain on a Mac II with a color monitor.  The file itself is easily displayed
> 
> There are plenty of shareware GIF processors for the Mac out there; I suggest
> GIFConverter (by Kevin Mitchell).  If is available via FTP at Sumex-AIM
> (sumex-aim.stanford.edu) in /info-mac/art/gif/program (I think).
> 

another thing to remember is to set the file type to GIFf in order for
GIFConverter to recognize it as a .gif file
From: bm074@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David S Fung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Norton Utilities 2.0
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:51:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr12.045126.3906
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Yes i have a problem to format my hard drive and i use 3 or 5 different
harddrive utility that come with the hard drive, like scsi director pro, 
Procom drive utility, and the more i do the more i mess up. The problem they
always said is the partition
 is corrupted and finally i format it w/ PLI utility and it work.
I really hope there is utility will work (fix) partition map.

although i don't know what the hell is that!
From: hhwong@athena.mit.edu (Henry H Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: AutoDoubler and Norton 2.0
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:59:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hi!

I was offered to upgrade my Norton Utilities 1.1 to 2.0. But before I spend
my money, I would like to know if anyone out on netland have used 2.0 and
what their experiences are. In particular, I would like to know if the new
FileSaver works with AutoDoubler better than the one on Version 1.1. The
readme files from AutoDoubler tell me not to use FileSaver with AutoDoubler.
The thing I use most in Norton Utilities is the FileSaver, so I would like
to know how it has been improved, if at all.

Thanks in advance and please reply via email
Henry
hhwong@athena.mit.edu
From: cht@athena.mit.edu (Chester Liu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: SOFT AT + Windows 3.1 = kaboom?
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:48:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr15.214808.19554
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hi, has anyone tried installing Windows 3.1 on Soft AT 2.5?
(that's the "new" version of SoftAT, not the add-on module.)
The setup program dies when it tries to install the XMS manager
and SoftAT puts up a dialog that says, "SoftAT cannot access
more than 1 Meg."   I have 2 megs of LIM installed, so what
going on?

I do realize, of course, that the info in the setup disk says
lots of memory managers are incompatible with Windows 3.1.
I was able to install Windows 3.0 so this must be one of Microsoft's
dirty tricks again!

Chester Liu
cht@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman - CONS)
Subject: Re: PD regular expressions parser?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:15:39 GMT

In article <stern6.703521607@husc10> stern6@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Stern) writes:

   Does there exist a public domain regular expressions parser
   for the Macintosh?  I'm looking for something which will
   allow me to search for all occurances of M*S*I and turn up
   MISSISSIPPI, MISSOURI, and so on.

Just a nit, but the pattern you show will match neither of the results
listed. The pattern you want is M.*S.*I.

Gnu grep is available for MPW, and the regexp part of it is easily
transplanted.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: spencer@med.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Is Onescanner upgrade worthwhile?
Organization: University of Michigan HSITN
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.210804.1@bcvms.bc.edu> jonathan@bcvms.bc.edu writes:
> Ofoto is an INCREDIBLE improvement over AppleScan, that I would do it
> in a flash.  I don't think you will ever regret it.

Ofoto is ***slow***!!!  I am amazed at how slow Ofoto is.  It takes it
about 4x as long to scan a page at 300dpi as OmniPage (in image mode).
(Note, these are the only two points of comparison that I have.)  It
takes 2 to 4 times as long to print a bitmap as Canvas (on a
Postscript laserwriter).  Maybe if I had a Mac IIfx, it would be ok,
but on a plain-old-II, it's a real dog!

(Note: I do agree that the feature set is nice, but someone has to
work on de-pessimizing the code to make the performance acceptable.)

--
=Spencer W. Thomas 		HSITN, U of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109
spencer.thomas@med.umich.edu	313-747-2778
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: DosMounter or AccessPC???
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:42:53 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <01GIOM1UZXA8000G26@JHMAIL.HCF.JHU.EDU> eboltz@CNDENEXT.MRS.JHU.EDU (Eric S. Boltz) writes:

>I need to get a transparent DOS diskette translation utility for my Dad. 
>The more transparent  
>the better. To my knowledge my choices are Dayna's DOS Mounter or AccessPC.

Nitpick -> please set your editor to a line wrap under 80 characters!

As for the question. I consider Access PC to be a superior product. DOS
Mounter gets the job done but is not as fast or a painless.
The one advantage DOS mounter has is that is comes with the MacLinkPlus PC
translation package, which I recommend highly.

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU  -  Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business

Contributing Dartmouth Alumnus
From: hshubs@eff.org (Howard Shubs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Claris bashing (and a bit of DeltaPoint bashing)(was: Misc Bashing)
Keywords: Microsoft, Word Perfect, etc
Date: 3 Apr 92 01:58:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: eff.1992Apr3.015816.2425
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: hshubs@eff.org

In article <19738@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.210152.14212@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> bjag@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
>--
>--While we're bashing Microsoft, I thought I'd throw in a few bashes about
>--Claris.
>
>For my 2 cents, I think it's pretty piss poor that MacDraw Pro doesn't
>support Publish and Subscribe. Was it a secret or something? Even the
>bug-droids at DeltaPoint managed to include P&S in DeltaGraph Pro, so
>I don't see why Claris had such difficulty.

I feel similarly about Aldus Silicon Beach (!) and Superpaint 3.0.  grrrr
-- 
Howard S Shubs      hshubs@eff.org      I don't represent the EFF,
The Denim Adept     hshubs@BIX.com      but I do agree with them.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: biesty@ide.com (Bill Biesty)
Subject: Re: WriteNow2.2 -> 3.0, good idea?
Keywords: WriteNow upgrade wordprocessor
Organization: IDE, San Francisco
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 18:26:07 GMT

In article <871323o.702182986@aucs> 871323o@aucs.acadiau.ca (Oliver Oey) writes:
>I had just started reading this newsgroup.  I wasn't aware that an upgrade
>offer for WriteNow2.2 to version 3 is available, until I came across the
>postings on assembly code implementation of WriteNow.  In fact, I didn't even
>know that version 3 is out.  I have been a happy user of WriteNow2.2 for
>quite some time now.  I am just wondering if the upgrade is worthwhile.
>Could someone please post the major differences between the two versions
>of WriteNow?  If the topic has already been discussed, would someone be
>kind enough to email me a quick summary?  Thanks.

Well no one can compare it because its not shipping until the end of April.
The biggest change is it will support style sheets and write out MS Word
format. I forget what the other changes are. If you call their 800 number
I'm sure they would tell you.



--
Bill Biesty
<biesty@ide.com>     These are not the opinions of my employer.
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From: dks@athena.mit.edu (dks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AutoDoubler conficts
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:30:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr11.163051.6989
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.

In article <1992Apr8.174901.9598@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>
>In article dks@athena.mit.edu (dks) writes:
>>
>>Since 49,432 people have asked me this question in e-mail and a (slightly)
>>smaller number have posted it, I'll respond one last time: AD 1.0.6 has a
>>creation date of March 25, 1992.  I cannot and will not send you a copy
>>but I imagine that you can obtain it by talking to the good people at Salient.
>>
>>What is it with you people, anyway?
>
>I talked to Lloyd Chambers at Salient and he said patches are located at
>America Online and CompuServe.  Since these are patches, I don't see why
>someone couldn't post them to the InterNet for the good of all.  Mr.
>Chambers mentioned that they'd get posted eventually.


I see.  Unfortunately, I am not on AOL or CS.  I did not have the patch
but I did have the full 1.0.6 version.  If I had had the patch, I *might*
have mailed it out or even posted it.


Cheers,
Dhanesh
From: jlw7@ellis.uchicago.edu (jonathan lee wanak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: sys 7 eating up tons of memory.
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:44:16 GMT
Reply-To: jlw7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Your machine has more RAM than normal addressing can handle.  The system adds 
this amount of RAM to what it would normally take, apparently to account for 
the unusable portion or RAM.  So, under normal (24 bit, I believe) addressing,
you can't have more than 8 meg RAM.  Your system takes up 1.6 meg.  Add that
to the 4 meg RAM you can't use that's "attributed" to the System Software, and
you have your answer.

Jonathan Wanak
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Microsoft Bashing (Was: Re: News from Microsoft)
Date: 7 Apr 1992 17:38:50 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <0105011F.09a29t@dragon.enigami.mv.com> cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory
Kempf) writes:
>   5)  Microsoft doesn't produce upgrades/new features unless there
>       is a competitor with a better product.  Anyone remember how

And they announce the new upgrade months before it's ready, so that people will
wait to see it before buying the competing product.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: does MS Word have a bug, or is it just me?
Summary: MS Word hates me
Keywords: temper blood-pressure infuriating
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:17:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

for the 1e6th time i have closed a window in MS Word and jumped to the desktop
(this is in MultiFinder of course) and found that the file is still locked.

%$@$^%@#$%!!!!

am i doing something stupid??  the manual is (surprise) of no assistance.
why does it keep a file locked even after i've closed it?

save my life, i'm going down for the last time . . .

ok
dpm
-- 
murphy@npri6.npri.com 602 Cameron St. Alexandria, VA 22314 (703) 683-9090

              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
From: brandt@currituck.cs.unc.edu (#66 Andrew Brandt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: AutoDoubler versions 1.0.6 and 1.0.5i
Keywords: autodoubler
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:47:18 GMT

I just got a message from Lloyd Chambers, the author of AutoDoubler.
He states that the new version of AutoDoubler is 1.0.6 but is only
useful for Portable or PowerBook users.

We desktop users can stick with version 1.0.5i, it is not much
different and probably not worth downloading 1.0.6.  By the way, the `i'
stands for international.
--
                                            _______
                                           |  ___  |   `The 7 dwarves all
  Andrew Brandt (brandt@cs.unc.edu)        | | ? | |    got into a tub and
  Department of Computer Science           | |___| |    they felt happy.
  Univ of North Carolina at Chapel Hill    |    __ |    But happy got mad
                                           |       |    and left.
  #66, Go Heels!   Eagles rule the NFL!     |_____|     So they felt grumpy.'
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Mac Uncompress or UNIX Stuffit?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Mechanical Engineering
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:37:00 GMT

In article <21111@venera.isi.edu>, jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes...
> 
>I have some TIF files on my UNIX account that I want to D/L to my mac.
>However, I want to do the D/L compressed.  Is there a Mac version of
>the uncompress utility?  Or, is there some way I can stuffit or
>compact pro the files on UNIX?

The Mac version of unix compress is called MacCompress.
There is also a unix version of Stuffit 1.5.1, also based
on unix compress.  These are available on sumex-aim.stanford.edu
and mirrors in /info-mac/util and /info-mac/unix, respectively.

In this case, a better option is public zip from the Info-ZIP
project which is consistently more efficient than unix compress.

There are currently 3 freeware options for UnZIP-ing on the 
Mac side.  On sumex-aim.stanford.edu in /info-mac/util:

zippop.hqx
unzip-101.hqx
unzip-42.hqx

Public ZIP is available on valeria.cs.ucla.edu in /info-zip.
Last time I checked, there was a beta version of MacZIP
which looks like a nice effort, but might benefit on the 
user-interface side from some experienced Mac beta testers.

-- Bill (johnston@me.udel.edu)
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From: rar@athena.mit.edu (Roger A Roach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,su.computers.rcc,su.macintosh
Subject: Re: Daytimer, calendar programs
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:18:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr9.131845.25372
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

For shareware, Remember? ($20) is about the best I have seen although
it doesn't produce "DayTimer" type printouts.

About the best I have seen is Now Up-to-Date from Now Software.  I think
I paid $49 for the single user version.  You can have calendars across
Macs and share public calendars.  It produces a variety of schedules
which are pretty good but not perfect.  (I feel that the numbers used
for the time of day are too small and there is no way to change them.)
It only allows one "Private" calendar.  I would like to have separate ones
for appointments, holidays and birthdays althought this can be solved by
bringing up a "server" and creating "public" calendars.  It would be nice
if they supplied a Holiday calendar file, but I created my own.

I also have used DayMaker and MyTimeManger.  Here are my comments on those:

DayMaker:

I got Daymaker and I was very disappointed.  However, I was looking for
primarily an appointment manager.  In particular, I found the following
deficiencies:

1. Lack of recurring meetings.  This is by far the biggest problem for
me.  Pastel claims that they are coming out with a update to correct this
in first quarter 1992.

2. Lack of appointment bnook style output.  e.g.
    9:00a Meeting with Boss
    9:30      |
   10:00      |
   10:30      V
   11:00  Interview for new job
   11:30
     .
     .
     .
   I was hoping that the Gantt charts would do the trick, but they don't
for me.  They take too much space at the right of the description.  You
can vary the field width, but it still is hard to use.

3. Lack of warning of overlapping meetings.  Gantt charts help, but would
like more.

4. The scrool bar is present in the event window even if it is not needed.
Wastes valuable space.

5. The printouts do not have a title.  I would like my name and the
current date/time on them so I could sort out multiple printouts.

6. There is no way to span weeks or months.  For example, I might want
to look at my scheulde for the next 4 weeks when it is in the middle
of the month.


MyTimeManager:

Problems:

1. Can't set reminders for recurring events
2. Can't set variable reminders (5 minutes for office meetings,
   15 for away)
3. Get unexpected quits when printing monthly schedule
4. 2 month schedule does not contain any events
5. Get warning: "CYCLICAL entries have overlapping times" when setting
   up a recurring meeting.
6. Unable to setup meeting for 1st Tuesday of each month
7. Manual is poor:
   a. Categories are not explained - either what they stand for or how
      they are used.
   b. Unclear the difference between the Reminder? box and button


minor:
1. Daily schedule printout does not show available times
2. Holidays have to be edited in with ResEdit
3. It would be helpful if it was an Init as well as an application

Pros:
1. Allows scheduling of meetings for a group
2. Detects conflicts
From: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: sys 7 eating up tons of memory.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: 16 Apr 1992 10:13:20 -0500
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Reply-To: pauls@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Richard J. Pauls)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



I am running system 7 on a MacII ci.  Today I looked at the "about this
macintosh" pannel and saw that the system was using up 5.7 meg of memory,
and applications were not running due to lack of memory.  Virtual memory
was off, and 32bit addressing was off (although 12 meg of RAM is installed)
I have to keep it off when using Compact Pro, but this never caused a problem
before.  I was playing around with Word 5 and Matlab and Canvas 3.0 and 
cutting/pasting and printing huge postscript graphics at the time.  I quit
everything and restarted the computer several times and rebuilt the
desktop.  Still nearly 6 Meg was used by the system.

Then I turned 32 bit addressing on and restarted and it was fixed.
Only 1.6 meg used by the system.  What's going on?  Can the Tune Up 
program fix this?  Is ver 1.1.1 the latest, and does it finaly work?
Reports seem kind of so so.

Thanks a lot,

Rich


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: weisberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Arel Y. Weisberg)
Subject: Vector Plotting on Macs
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:12:21 GMT

Does anyone know of a good and inexpensive vector plotting program for macs?
(I'm looking to plot 2-D vector fields)

Thanks for your help

Arel Weisberg
weisberg@phoenix.princeton.edu
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From: sweeney@well.sf.ca.us (Elaine Sweeney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,su.computers.rcc,su.macintosh
Subject: Re: Daytimer, calendar programs
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:38:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <65195@apple.Apple.COM>, spud@Apple.COM (Dave "Spud" Kalin) writes:
> 
> There is a program called TimeBook (by ProAct Software, right here in Palo
> Alto) that looks like it does the trick very well.  It is designed after
> those portable Day Planners and Filofaxes that you see many yuppies carry
> around, so it's probably suited more for appointments than anything else.
> It looks like it would do quite well on a PowerBook, too.
> 
> Call them at 415-853-TIME for more info.
> 
Dave, it's only fair to mention that Proact is your software company, and 
TimeBook is your product... your review is a little misleading otherwise.

Also, you need to change your sig.file; it's a little inaccurate, since you 
haven't worked at Apple for a while. 

> -- 
> 
>      *
>   *** ***        Dave Kalin (spud@apple.com)
>  *******         Apple Computer, Inc.
>  *******
>   *******        "Changing the world, one layoff at a time."
>    ** **
> 
> 

Elaine Sweeney
sweeney@well.sf.ca.us     <preferred>
tex@applelink.apple.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps