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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:27:52 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: PC World magazine to publish an edition in VN
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08/12

PC WORLD MAGAZINE TO PUBLISH AN EDITION IN VIETNAM

    BOSTON, Aug 12, Reuter - Come October, Vietnam will have its own edition of
PC World magazine.
    International Data Group, publisher of the trade magazine, said on Wednesday
it had entered into an agreement with Vietnam's Centre for Scientific and
Technological Information for Vietnamese edition of PC World.
    The first issue, with an initial circulation of 10,000, will be published in
October, IDG said in a statement.
    Vietnam officials estimate that there are 20,000 PC installed in the
country, nearly two-thirds alone in Ho Chi Minh City, where the magazine will be
headquartered.
    "The University of Ho Chi Minh City alone has more than 2,000 students
majoring in computer science at the undergraduate level," IDG chairman and CEO
Patrick McGovern said.
    Because a U.S. trade embargo exists against Vietnam, and the Southeast Asian
country does not allow direct U.S. investment in any event, PC World Vietnam
will publish translated articles from the other editions of the magazine, which
appears in more than 35 countries.
    The publishing subsidiary of IDG, a Boston-based provider of information on
information technology with annual revenues of $770 million, has more than 185
newspapers and magazines in 60 countries.
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From:         "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Q: Motif licensing for new versions

We took advantage of the free upgrade to Motif last year for our 6320.
We now also have a VAXstation 4000 VLC running Motif.  My question
relates to the CSLG, or rather, the licensing of Motif.  I know that
Motif is not in the CSLG itself because of the fee that must be paid
to the OSF (?), but are we allowed to upgrade to new versions free of
charge, either through normal VMS licensing or by virtue of being a
member of the CSLG?  I seem to remember that the Motif cost was a
one-time thing, but now that 1.1 is around the corner, I want to make
sure that that's true.

If it's not, do we have to purchase software support of some kind to
get the right-to-new-versions?

Thanks!

Hunter
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:09:55 EDT
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Subject:      new ESL/CSLG

We renewed our ESL/CSLG contracts on January 1st of this year under the
old program.  It has always taken a good while to get the machines
listed correctly under the ESL agreement.  I have 150 new machines
coming in for students that DEC will consider to fall under the CSLG/ESL.

My question is:  Exactly what information is DEC going to need for
the new program.  With my machine/tracking load more than double
what it was previously, I would like to be sure I collect the
correct information from the students and get the ball rolling
for any paperwork DEC needs to do so phone support isn't dropped
due to paperwork delays (ours and theirs) as in the past.
We plan to get the CD-ROM VMS and ULTRIX distributions.

Any information from those who had both CSLG/ESL under the old program
and have switched would be welcome.  Thanks in advance.

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From:         Greetings from Alaska <NEWKIRK@ARIZVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: DECwrite for PC

> Does anybody have any indication about whether or not DECwrite for Microsoft
> Windows is in the TEI program?  Is it in the CSLG?

In January 1992, Digital announced the addition of DECwrite to
the CSLG partner program with a site license fee for $600 to
include DECwrite for VMS, ULTRIX, SUN, OS/2 and MS/Windows.
Each system using the software would have to be enrolled in CSLG.

I'll forward a copy of that announcement to you.

- Debbi
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From:         Sesquipedalian <SYSMGR@WITTENBG.BITNET>
Subject:      VAX Lisp

David,

I checked this out earlier this year.  After talking to my DEC Sales Rep,
John Maxi, he indicated that DEC has retired VAX Lisp.  The product does
not show on the CONDIST listing for August, and it has been quietly removed
from the CSLG grant as well.  We will continue to run it until the license
expires next year, but that's about it.  VAX Lisp is for all practical
purposes, history.

-Jeff Snyder
 Systems & Networks Manager
 Wittenberg University
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:46:33 -0400
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From:         Andrew Potter <AWPSYS@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CSLG Changes Program-to-Date 1

>Please remember that although the CSLG Portfolio is updated every other month,
>your institution is only granted the license and rights to new versions once
>a year.  The products listed in Addendum A of your CSLG Agreement or your
>CSLG Renewal Letter are the only products you are authorized to use.  When
>we produce your CSLG TK50 and paper CSLG PAKs, the products that are on the
>CSLG Portfolio at the time of production of the tape are the products that
>are granted to you as part of your CSLG Agreement.

I can understand the above due to the beauracratic method DEC has  chosen
handle CSLG PAK distribution -- however:

>You may at any time during your CSLG Agreement purchase products that are
>not part of your agreement through the Education Market Basket Program which
>is a 50% discount on any QL-license part number.

This is absurd.  Who in their right mind is going to pay this kind of money for
a few months usage of a product.

Can I "rent" a product on a monthly basis?

How about a suggestion:  Rather than go though all the trouble of making those
customized TK50s (which are a pain anyway) for each TEI site, why not come up
with an electronic method where a TEI customer dials (We'll even pay for the
phone call) into a DEC database and electronicly retrieves PAKs for their site.
This would give DEC a convenient electronic record of what products a customer
is using as apposed to reading it off the paper copy of our CSLG reports.

If you are super concerned about PAKs going out of dial in lines, you could
design it so that when a customer dialed in and requested a PAK, he would
get a short (10 Day) service update PAK with the main one being mailed
out to the designated PAK administrator at the site.

- Andy
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:42:27 PDT
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From:         "ELLEN MINTER * 297-2461 * EDUCATION MARKETING"
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Subject:      Desktop Price List 1

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:      EDT
                                        From:     Ellen Minter @MRO
                                                  MINTER.ELLEN
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                                        Tel No:   297-2461

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Subject: Desktop Price List

Tom,

The TEI Desktop Price List is being updated.......next week at the latest, I
hope!

Regards,
Ellen
                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     10-Aug-1992 03:22pm EDT
                                        From:     wallis@picard.cs.twsu.edu

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Subject: Where is the DeskTop Price List?

	Dear Ellen:

	I really miss the desktop price list, and wish DEC would continue to
send one out.  I don't like to hassle my salesrep with every price I need.
The pricelist was very useful to take to higher management and show them what
our price was going to be on a particular piece of DEC equipment.

	Any news on a new pricelist?

			Thanks,

			Tom Wallis

P.S. I saw this as a topic of discussion on the mailing list awhile back, but
I don't think there was ever a DEC response, but I also missed some EMAIL
a couple of weeks ago.

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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CSLG Changes Program-to-Date 1
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>Andy,
>
>I think you misunderstood the comment about adding noin-CSLG licenses for
>50% cost.
>
>This comment refferred to the many products that are NOT covered by CSLG
>and are not expected to be covered by CSLG.  As new products are added to
>the CSLG, your sales rep has the power to get these to you through a
>"Grandfathering" program.  Talk to your rep.

Are you sure about this? This is not what I understand it. Can someone else
verify this?

Ta Fuh Chiam
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Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
Copeland Hall 22                   INTERNET : chiam@vulcan.cba.ohiou.edu
Athens, Ohio 45701, U.S.A.            or    : chiam@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
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From: sysrick@orion.spd.louisville.edu (Rick McTeague)
Subject: Ultrix binary license?
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:41:43 GMT

We currently have some VAXstations which we'd like to move from VMS to
Ultrix. The systems came with VMS, and the DEC rep tells me that a binary
license for Ultrix on a VS2000 costs $850 (discounted price). I haven't
had the nerve to ask about a VS3100...

Does anyone know if there's an alternate (meaning cheap) way to get these
guys running Ultrix without a lot of hassle? Is there any help through the
TEI (which we're a participant in)?

Thanks,
Rick
-- 

Rick McTeague
Electrical Engineering Department, Speed Scientific School
University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292
(502) 588-7020

Internet: sysrick@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

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From:         David Link - Lenoir-Rhyne College 704-328-7379
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Subject:      Question about CSLG product.
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I have installed our new licenses and found that LISP is no longer listed.
I would like to know why it was removed.  Does anyone know?  or am I doing
something wrong?  We seem to have everything else.  Thanks for the help.
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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Pathworks & MACs
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>Greetings.
>
>We are planning a MAC lab (15 MAC IIsi with ethernet cards and no hard
>drives) to be placed on a Pathworks network so they would boot and load
>their software from a VAX server.  Has anyone done it before?  Any comments?

Sounds like the discusions and questions asked on this list is going out of
topic recently. The above question should be asked and would probably get better
responses from the LANWORKS discussion list.

At any rate, to answer the above question, the answer is how would you boot your
MAC from the Pathworks server? I don't think you can. you would still have to
boot your MAC from the floppy. The software can reside on the server but MAC is
not very friendly when come to file sharing and network-aware software.

Ta Fuh Chiam

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From:         Jim Anderson - Systems Manager <JANDERSON@WILLIAMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Pathworks for PC and MAC

  I know there's been a substantial amount of discussion about Pathworks
pricing, but could some one please summarize the dollar figures for both MAC
and PC client licensing?  I need info on both transports (DECnet and TCP/IP).
Also, is there a TCP transport for Mac?  Lastly, of the PC server, is there a
fee to run TCP from the server end also?

Thanks -  Jim

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From:         Ta Fuh Chiam <chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: CSLG Listing for August 1992 1
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Ellen,

>Please remember that although the CSLG Portfolio is updated every other month,
>your institution is only granted the license and rights to new versions once
>a year.  The products listed in Addendum A of your CSLG Agreement or your
>CSLG Renewal Letter are the only products you are authorized to use.  When
>we produce your CSLG TK50 and paper CSLG PAKs, the products that are on the
>CSLG Portfolio at the time of production of the tape are the products that
>are granted to you as part of your CSLG Agreement.

I am curious. If the CSLG portfolio is updated every other month, why is it that
the added products cannot be granted immediately? Is it administrative cost? If
the new products cannot be granted immediately, why update the CSLG portfolio
every other month?

Ta Fuh Chiam

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From:         CHARLIE@ISIS.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Ultrix binary license?
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Once upon a time TEI/CSLG would have provided you an avenue to
switch from VMS to Ultrix.  No more.  Recent changes in the
CSLG terms & conditions make it clear that you cannot use
CSLG to flip-flop between operating systems:

1.	To be eligible for the CSLG, each system must have a legal Digital
(Commercial) Standard Operating System License appropriate for the system
configuration.
2.	CSLG VMS and CSLG Ultrix (only available with a validated AT&T Software
Agreement) can only be used to increase the "users" on the system.

Charlie Fulton
MIT Computer Svcs
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Subject:      RE: Pathworks & MACs
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    Remote boot a MAC?  I would like to see that.
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Report question

Count each machine that can access the software, i.e.
two nodes in cluster load the licenmse from one file, count both.  unless you
did a modify on the license to rais the unlimit 0 units to a limiting number
that would keep the PAk from loading on both CPUs.

or if youw ant to check do a SHOW LICENSE on each machine and if you see
a license list it.
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From:         "Carlos Sainz <*> (305) 284-3565" <CSAINZ@UMIAMI.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: new ESL/CSLG

> Subj: new ESL/CSLG
>
> ...
> ...
> listed correctly under the ESL agreement.  I have 150 new machines
> coming in for students that DEC will consider to fall under the CSLG/ESL.
>
> My question is:  Exactly what information is DEC going to need for
> the new program.  With my machine/tracking load more than double
> what it was previously, I would like to be sure I collect the
> correct information from the students and get the ball rolling
> for any paperwork DEC needs to do so phone support isn't dropped
> due to paperwork delays (ours and theirs) as in the past.
> We plan to get the CD-ROM VMS and ULTRIX distributions.

As I understand it, DEC will no longer charge on a per system basis.  You
pay $20,400 for 26-100 systems or $30,324 for more than 100 systems.

DEC will not include systems in the new contract, so there won't be any delays.
But you will still need to keep track of your systems since DEC wants that
information in the semiannual reports.

If anyone knows any different let me know...


Carlos J. Sainz
Resource Manager

University of Miami
Information Resources
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From:         "Jim Kirkpatrick" <JIMKIRK@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Report question
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Well, our CSLG manager has asked me to generate a CSLG report (nice form
of management -- ask somebody else to do your work!), and I have a couple
of questions on how to count systems --

1.  We have a homogeneous cluster of two 8800s, and I only load 1 CSLG
    license for, for example, VAX Fortran.  On the report, do I count this
    as 1 license usage (for the cluster), or 2 (1 per machine in a cluster)?

2.  We have several DECstation 3100s that are "diskless" (local disk only
    used for swapping) that boot off another system.  Should I count each
    system, or just the boot node?

Thanks in advance for helping me with this very tedious task!

Jim Kirkpatrick
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From:         umrahman@BGU.EDU
Subject:      Pathworks & MACs

Greetings.

We are planning a MAC lab (15 MAC IIsi with ethernet cards and no hard
drives) to be placed on a Pathworks network so they would boot and load
their software from a VAX server.  Has anyone done it before?  Any comments?
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