From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: twisting (Thans for life)Read!
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:01:08 GMT

Mr. Clifton, your ignorance astounds me.  You're locked up in your own
cycle of thought, unable to even respond coherently to anyone else's
criticisms.  Please consider this, if you can, and at least try to see
where we're coming from -- you would win my respect if you could
please paraphrase the pro-choice position, thereby demonstrating that
you understand our arguments, then explain how you disagree with them.

clifton9220@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>Seeeing that aparently there are those on here that do not know this subject as
>with you, I will say it more clearly.  Many say that abortion is right because
>a baby concieved with incest might die so it should be aborted.

Who ever said that?  Any baby 'might die', but nobody's made any
generalizations about incest cases; on the other hand, if tests reveal
that a particular fetus is deformed so badly that the most that can be
expected is for it to live a short, painful life, are you saying that
it _shouldn't_ be aborted?

>That will not
>change, because the life of the mother is always seperate from abortions. 

I don't understand what this sentence means.

>Also, those raped can still go and remove the sperms before they form with the
>egg or shortly thereafter.

Ha!  Ha ha!  I can't even begin to respond thoughtfully to this
outrageous claim.  Ha ha ha!

> ...
>I do not care for the legal matters.  What matters is God's laws.  I would
>definitely break the law of man if it conflicted with that of God.

Hear ye, hear ye, the cry of the zealot.  Where in the Bible does it
say that God doesn't like abortions?

>If you are so wanting morals for our kids, why don't you do something about it?

I am!  By teaching them that their conscience is their best guide.

> Dean Kaflowitz writes:
>> Why do so many good Christians initiate wars?  Just wondering.
>> It's a question that's come up before.
>
>Because we are the only ones to stand up for right.

You honestly believe this?

>> How do you know what your god wants?  How do you know it is any
>> more correct than those who are equally sincere and equally
>> certain about what their god wants and their god wants something
>> different from your own?
>
>As the bible says, there is one God,  the others are deamons.

What if another holy book says this about its own god?
Which one is correct?

>> ...  Your god always behaves in a very human fashion, and according
>> to very human values, when it is convenient and comforting for him to
>> do so.  He does all these things because he 'loves' his 'creation.'
>> That's awfully human of him.
>
>Oh?  If it is human to love, why do we kill?

If it is deific to love, why does God kill?

>> I disagree entirely with this.  Do you think there should be
>> legislation against my differing viewpoint?
>
>Don't you get it.  I don't care about laws.  God wants you not your agreement.

So you feel justified in doing whatever you want to people who don't
agree with your opinions.  I don't think America is the place for you, sir.

Please get your head out of the sand, and realize that you're living
in a world with billions of other people -- and if you want us to
agree with you, you'll have to persuade us, not claim some 'moral
superiority'.

-- 
_/_/_/  Brian Kendig                             Je ne suis fait comme aucun
/_/_/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
_/_/                            n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
  /  Nolite te bastardes     Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
 /  carborundorum.                                               -- Rousseau