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From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:27:16 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul30.142450.20074@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu) writes:
> In article <1992Jul30.130304.9741@waikato.ac.nz> higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>> 
> I see. No wonder the new zealand team did not win many medals - they
> are drug-free!  Well, if they did won some, (given the proceived honesty
> of New Zealanders, it is not very likely), I cannot be convinced
> unless you have checked their urine. But even though, how can you
> be sure they did get some fixes weeks ago?
> unless you have checked their 

Couldn't agree with you more, you see my point exactly. You have to be slightly
sceptical with all winners really, because of the drug issue. Mind you, with
some sports you can be a bit more certain that there is less likelihood of drug
abuse, for example, equestrian sports (where you'll no doubt be pleased to know
the NZ team got a silver and bronze). I doubt there is much benefit to be had
being a horserider of taking anabolic steroids. On the other hand, I perceive
weightlifting to be an utter farce of a sport because I'm deeply sceptical of
any winners due to the common nature of drug use within it. 
There are drug users in NZ sport, no doubt about it, the point I was making is
that it is rife and you just have to accept that people seeing the sudden
swimming success of the Chinese, in this case (cf Bulgarian weightlifters,
Flo-Jo (I can't believe she never got on the end of a needle at some stage),
East German swimmers, Shot putters...) look kinda sceptical. I mean what do you
think, do you think the Chinese swimmers (again, in this particular instance)
are just reaping the rewards of hard work and practice without any artificial
help? Maybe you do, I don't. I don't want to, I wish I could look upon winning
as a supreme achievement, built on hard work, skill, dedication etc, but
unfortunately I just don't see it though rose - coloured glasses.
-- 
Tom Higham,		        "If ever somethin' don't feel right to you,     
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,	        remember what Pancho said to the Cisco Kid:
University of Waikato,	        'Let's went, before we are dancing at the
Hamilton,		        end of a rope, without music.'"  
NEW ZEALAND.		                   Sailor Ripley, "wild at heart".
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From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Subject: Re: Difference between CIS and EUN
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:00:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.211308.15677@tin.monsanto.com>, bcschu@skws02.monsanto.com (Brett Schultz) writes:
> What is exactly the difference between the Unified Team and the Commonwealth
> of Independent States.
> 
> I have noticed that the Unified Team is in the gymnastics and the Commonweatlh
> of Independent States is in the basketball (men's).
> 
> Is it that for some sports the country is split and some they came together???
> 

Currently (and this might change sooner or later), all former Soviet Union 
states are member of the CIS except of Georgia  (and of course Estia, Latvia 
and Lithuania that became independant before the end of the Soviet Union).  
However, the Unified Team for Barcelona consists of all former Soviet Union
states including Georgia.  This is also the reason why they play the
Olympic anthem, if someone from the Unified Team wins.  Again, the three 
Baltic republics sent their own teams.
In 1996, all former state will send their own teams and the national
anthem of the winning country will be played then.

Veit

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From: don@q-aais.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Unisex Olympics?
Summary: Trap & skeet are Unisex
Keywords: shooting segregation
Reply-To: newcomb@navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Organization: U.S. Naval Oceanographic Office
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:34:59 GMT
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In article <1992Jul28.001236.3684@Csli.Stanford.EDU> emma@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Emma Pease) writes:
>In <TEUBEN.92Jul27155532@lynx.astro.umd.edu> teuben@lynx.astro.umd.edu (Peter Teuben) writes:
>>I've noted no (or very few?) events in which both
>>men *AND* women compete for the same medal, perhaps
>>equestrian? 
>
>The equestrian events (dressage, show jumping, three day event) are
>mixed.  I believe some but not all of the sailing classes are also
>mixed.  My other guess for mixed events would be some of the shooting
>competitions. 

Olympic trap and skeet are integrated male/female. Some of the air
rifle & air pistol events are the same for men and women but are
shot separately.

Otherwise, international shooting is so strictly segregated vis-a-vis
men & women that they are not even allowed to  shoot the same type
guns. (e.g. Men shoot free rifle, women shoot standard rifle.)
The reason for this is that in many societies the men are terrified
of having their scores compared with the women's. Shooting is one
sport where there should be no gender difference. In the USA women
shoot the same as the men. There is usually a trophy the high score
shot by a woman to encourage participation by women but women
compete with men for all other awards. (but this is not the case
in international events such as the Olympics)

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: BASEBALL: Results USA
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:02:56 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Jul27.164833.24303@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
>---------------
>
>Hi. USA beat China/Tai Pei 10-9 Monday evening. USA is now in good shape for
>a medal.
>
>-Ron

Anyone have box scores?  If you have the baseball team's roster, that
would be appreciated also.

Thanks.

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From: oskar@isbank.is (Oskar Armannsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympic Handball
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:36:58 GMT
Organization: Islandsbanki, Reykjavik Iceland

In <9443@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> wild@cs.uq.oz.au (Luke Wildman) writes:


>Thanks for any information that can be made available about handball.

It was decided yesterday that the Icelandic handball team will be a
substitution for the Yugoslavin team at Barcelona.  It is a short notice,
but the team will go and play at the games.  

Regards

Oskar

  

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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: GRECO-ROMAN WRESTLING: results - 52kg - Final
Summary: results of final round of 52kg weight class
Keywords: greco-roman wrestling, olympics, 52kg
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:34:09 GMT
Expires: 10 Aug 92



Barcelona Olympics - Greco-Roman Wrestling
Tuessday July 28 1992 - Day 3 - Finals: 52kg

1 kg. = 2.2 lbs.
S = Superiority
G = Great superiority


=====================================================================
Final round:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Gold medal:
Jon Ronningen (NOR)         def Alfred Ter-Mkrttchian (EUN)  2-1

Bronze Medal:
Min Kyung-Kap (KOR)         def Shawn Sheldon (USA)          0-0 (default)

5th place:
Bartan tzenov (BUL)         def Valentin Rebegea (ROM)       6-1

7th place:
Ismo Kamaseki (FIN)         def Senad Rizvanovic (YUG)       2-1

9th place:
Raul Aleman (CUB)           def Said Tango (MOR)            15-0
=====================================================================
Final standings
---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Name                    Nat
-------------------------------
 1. Jon Ronningen           NOR     <=== Gold
 2. Alfred Ter-Mkrttchian   EUN     <=== Silver
 3. Min Kyung-Kap           KOR     <=== Bronze
 4. Shawn Sheldon           USA
 5. Bartan Tzenov           BUL
 6. Valentin Rebegea        ROM
 7. Ismo Kamaseki           FIN
 8. Senad Rizvanovic        YUG
 9. Raul Aleman             FIN
10. Said Tango              MOR
=====================================================================

    --mack

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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:42:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.171013.3033@sol.UVic.CA>, asrini@sanjuan (Anand Srinivasan) writes:

|> please!!!  if you have not visited the Indian Sub-continent yet
|> please do so, i invite you!!!  at an average there are atleast
|> 5 to 6 viewers per TV when the cricket matches are being telecast.
|> This is a very modest estimate.  It just brings life to a stand-still...

Fine, chalk up a couple of hundred million. That would be 25%+ of the sub
continent assuming that all had access to TVs. That's no where near 2*10^9.

Jason W. Solinsky
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1195 soc.culture.british:10770
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:52:13 GMT
	<862@hobby.ukc.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: mhs@ukc.ac.uk's message of 27 Jul 92 20:22:05 GMT

In article <862@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:

   Jocks;

What have American college athletes got to do with it?

   but then, the English only take on a separate identity if something bad
   happens.

No, I think you got it the wrong way round :-)
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: re: Posting Results (I forget which update # I am on...)
Summary: All volunteers for posting results, listed
Keywords: posting results
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:54:52 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

It's done, it's finished, we now have all volunteers to post results
for the Olympic sports!  Hooray!  Just FYI, we have 22 people posting
for 28 different sports plus the medal counts.  These 22 people come
from six different countries (Australia, Canada, Finland, The
Netherlands, United Kingdom, and the United States).  

Please keep in mind that these people cannot perform magic and post
all results immediately.  Also, most will be pulling results from TV,
the radio, or the newspaper... if the media doesn't provide all
results, there is not much one can do about it.  Everyone has agreed
to put forth their best efforts in regards to timeliness and
completeness.

Provided below is a list of the volunteer "reporters".  Please note
that these people are only obliged to post the results, and perhaps
some headline news in their sport.  In some cases, the following
people are experts... in others, they have little knowledge of the
sport and are just volunteering their time to keep our newsgroup
updated.  

		Volunteers to Post Results to R.S.Olympics

archery 	Mike Falkner = FALKNEMJ@cnsvax.uwec.edu
athletics 	Steven Mattic = scmattic@iastate.edu 
     (Steven will be helped by Larry Ehmer = ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu)
badminton 	Peter Teuben = teuben@astro.umd.edu
baseball 	Christopher Gattuso = gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
basketball 	Emil Thomas Chuck = etchuck@helix.nih.gov
boxing 		Kwadwo Frimpong-Ansah = kfansah@axion.bt.co.uk
canoeing 	Michel W. Chbat = chbat@ivy.princeton.edu
cycling 	Cyndi Smith = cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
diving 		Rod Swift = RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au
equestrian 	Nora Gayle Rivkis = rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
fencing 	Greg Dilworth = rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu
field-hockey 	Natarajan Ramasubramanian = 5912RAMASUBR@vmsf.csd.mu.edu
gymnastics 	Rachele Harless = rachele@cs.rice.edu
handball 	Eric West = fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
judo 		Eric West = fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
medal-counts	Kalle Kivimaa = killer@punisher.cs.hut.fi
pentathlon 	Greg Dilworth = rgd3279@tamsun.tamu.edu
rowing 		Dan Martin = dmartin@pico.engr.mun.ca
shooting 	Eric West = fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
soccer 		Rob van Rooijen = Rob.van.Rooijen@cwi.nl
swimming 	Rod Swift = RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au
sync-swimming 	Rod Swift = RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au
table-tennis 	Lyne Desjardins = desjarly@ere.umontreal.ca 
tennis 		Mike Falkner = FALKNEMJ@cnsvax.uwec.edu
volleyball 	Wouter Mettrop = Wouter.Mettrop@cwi.nl
water-polo 	Rod Swift = RSWIFTR@cc.curtin.edu.au
weightlifting 	Mack Hashemi = mack@isl.stanford.edu 
wrestling 	Mack Hashemi = mack@isl.stanford.edu 
yachting 	Paul A. Addison = P.A.Addison@lut.ac.uk
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Keywords: Barkley
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:57:24 GMT

rachele@nysa.cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.205200.1508@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>In a late-night replay of an interview with Karl Malone, Karl said he
>>was going to have a "talk" with Charles about his unprofessional

>Hooray for Karl Malone!  I am sick and tired of hearing Barkley's
>quotes in the paper etc, as they always make my stomach turn; he is so

Pin part of the blame on the media attention given to bozo's like
Barkley.  It's a plebian case of sensationalism triumphing over style,
grace, & eloquence -- a fixture of [at least] the US culture.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com           *    _\|/_  *       <>
<>      alta-holic <>   (this *often* works)     _\|/_    o   /|\    _\|/_  <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  /|\    <\       *   /|\   <>
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From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results (event qualifiers for women)
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:16:59 GMT

>-- Qualifiers for event finals.
>
>Top 8 qualify for each event.
>* Not a finalist because only 2 per nation may compete in event finals
>
>
>-- Women's Beam
>1. Lu Li, CHN, 19.812
>2. Svetlana Boguinskaia, EUN, 19.800
>3, Tatiana Lysenko, EUN, 19.787
>3, Shannon Miller, USA, 19.787 
>5, Cristina Bontas, ROM, 19.762
>6, Yang Bo, CHN, 19.725
>7, Betty Okino, USA, 19.712
>8, Li Yifang, CHN, 19.699
>
I believe that Li Yifang cannot qualify based on the 2/country rule, thus
the next gymnast not from CHN, EUN or USA will qualify.
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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: Re: Cricket, baseball, shot-put etc.
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:46:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.184659.17638@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
< stuff deleted>
>
>B) The original example was that it is possible to travel all over India and
>see only one example of baseball. Well it is possible to travel all across
>America and not see one example of volleyball. That does not mean that it does
>not have a huge following here.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky

So you mean to say baseball has a huge following in India?
That's news to me!

Frankly, when we can have sports like Pelotta and Roller hockey in the Olympics,
there's no justification of not including cricket.
I hope Sydney gets the 2000 olympics. Then maybe Cricket will be included.

==============================================================================	
Sougata Mukherjea (sougata@cc.gatech.edu)
Graphics Visualization and Usability Center
College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology 
=============================================================================
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: French is the official language of the IOC
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:00:55 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <28JUL199219120028@rosie.uh.edu> chem7g@rosie.uh.edu (Shi, Zhiqiang) writes:
>After reading all the crap related to the controversy if one should have used
> catalan, spanish, english or french for deciding in which order countries
>would appear in the parade, I would like to precise that:
>
>French is the official language of the IOC
>
>and it doesn't matter if the games take place in Seoul, Barcelona or Atlanta.

Two things wrong here:

1.  Both French and English are official languages of the IOC.  Hey, it's
just like Canada!

2.  The marching order IS usually in the language of the host country.
In Los Angeles, for instance, the marching order was in English.  In
Sarajevo, it was in Croatian, I believe.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: flee@cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee)
Subject: Moving images
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:55:23 GMT

Watching footage of the floor exercises on NBC, I noticed the images
are peculiarly sharp.  In the tumbling runs, the arms and legs of the
gymnasts are a series of sharp images, not moving blurs, both in real
time and in slow motion.  It's a little disorienting.

Is this an effect of video technology, or an effect of lighting?
--
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:45:59 EDT
From: <TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Where is he from ?

The refree was from croatia!
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From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Anyone know swimmer Summer Sanders from Stanford?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:53:47 GMT

Hiya.
I'm just curious if anyone out in Netland knows Summer Sanders,
the famous swimmer from Stanford.

I've read a lot about her (and other Olympic athletes) at my job
with Cablevision and NBC (for the Triplecast), and she seems like
one of the most down-to-earth, genuinely nice people around
despite her enormous talent.

I'm NOT asking for ways to contact her, e-mail or otherwise (I'm
sure she gets enough fan mail as it is).  Instead, I would be
interested in hearing from anyone who knows her.  I'm curious to
know if the bio releases I've read about her accurately reflect
her as a person.

Who knows, maybe she IS one of the few who hasn't let talent and
fame go to her head.  And if that's the case, let's hope it stays
that way.  Frankly, if she starts endorsing candy bars or fitness
centers or some stupid commercial stuff like that, I'll be quite
disappointed.  We have enough sell-out artists and athletes as it
is.

But I digress.  If you know her and want to drop me a note,
that'd be great.  Thanks for your time.

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK at Northwestern University
  E-mail to:		KEYS@NWU.EDU
  Snail Mail to: 	25 Marimar Street
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From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:10:28 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Jul29.221946.4606@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:

   I've survived some hellish TV sports coverage in my life, but this 
   takes the cake. Costas has settled down, indeed, but I didn't see the 
   opening ceremonies (I was at a concert in Denver) so I didn't see him then.

   My proposal is simple:

   When the Olympics come to Atlanta in 1996, I propose that instead
   of granting only one US network exclusive rights to the games we
   grant all 3 the rights.  We could divide the coverage between the
   networks, e.g. NBC covers track, CBS covers gymnastics, and ABC
   covers swimming, and so on all the way down through roller hockey.
   Each network would then be responsible for covering each area,
   providing as much coverage as possible. What they can't do goes to
   Turner and/or ESPN.

What about the people who want to watch something other than the
Olympics?  It doesn't make sense economically.  (What TNT did for the
1992 Winter Games is a fine idea, though.  TNT ran the international
feed during hours when the network wasn't televising Olympics)


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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Looking for NBC address (and JOHN TESH flame)
Keywords: NBC, john tesh, coverage (not!)
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:37:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul31.173041.24985@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> doctor@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Terry Fong) writes:
>After watching NBC's women's gymnastics coverage for the past few
>days, I've reached a conclusion: someone needs to get a large roll of
>tape and tape John Tesh's mouth shut!!! Is this man completely without
>a clue? 

	No, but apparently most of Usenet is.

 Does he *really* think the American public needs to here the
>same thing over and over and over every 5 minutes?

	Yes.  And they do.

	Enough said.



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
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