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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:08:04 -0600
From:         "Alan H. Rea" <ahrea@CRDOKOKL.CR.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: USGS digital data

Sorry, I deleted all of my daily onslaught of GIS-L messages, including
a reply to my posting about how mapping is funded at USGS.  I have to reply
to your points from memory.

The decision to emphasize 1:100,000-scale mapping was, I think, firmly
based in the world of reality.  You see, EVERYONE wants ALL of the
1:24,000 DLGs for their area NOW.  The level of funding appropriated
by Congress is simply not sufficient to accomplish that in a time
frame that would satify everyone.  Perhaps for your work,
1:100,000-scale data are not suitable, but such data ARE suitable for
many purposes, and meet the needs of many state agencies, because they
typically want uniform, state-wide coverage.  Those agencies are a
major source of funding for USGS, which is the only Federal agency I
know of that relies heavily on funding from the states rather than
vice versa.  Naturally, the needs of those agencies tend to be met
before the needs of university researchers, etc., who are usually not
providing funding.  For example, ALL the 1:100K DLG themes for
Oklahoma will be completed next year, because the state came up with
some money to fund the work.

Perhaps your real beef is with the level of funding Congress has
appropriated for basic mapping?  If so, you may want to talk to your
Congressional representatives.  Money is tight everywhere, though, not
just in California.

Let's see, two weeks sounds reasonable to reproduce a 1:24K quad.  How
long to do 55,000 of them?

Finally, if you know of serious quality-control problems, please let
someone in the Western Mapping Center in Menlo Park know about the
specifics.  This is something to be taken very seriously.  Quality
SHOULD be the hallmark of USGS data.  Although I think we all get a
bit frustrated at times with the slowness of progress, I think most
people who work for USGS take pride in knowing that when the job is
finally done, it's done right.  If there are serious quality problems,
someone is letting us all down.

Again, I don't work in map production -- I just know a few people who
do.

Alan Rea, Hydrologist         *    ahrea@csdokokl.cr.usgs.gov (USE THIS ONE!)
U.S. Geological Survey        * "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA  *  who falsely believe they are free" -- Goethe
"Any opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer..."
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:59:54 EST
From:         Mark Heinicke <mark@GEOG5.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Spatiotemporal Database Bibliography

Scott Madry writes:
>
> I, for one, am really tired of requests for copies of WHATEVER being posted
> to the net!! I would really appreciate it if netters would learn how to use
> the facilities or go away!
>

OK, Scott, but until this morning's arrival of Michael Soo's msg about
the bibliography, I didn't know where else to send a request (SORRY I
missed beginning of all this, whenever....).  I saw this spate of msgs
and figured shouldn't miss out.  I don't see this as an abuse of the
system by those of us not in know... if you were tired of it, why didn't
you post the order info yourself?  Seemed harmless enough to me; I have
to "d" about 80% of listserv stuff anyway, so what's a little more chaff?

Sorry to take up this side-issue, but maybe I'm missing out on what the
purpose of the net is anyway.  Tune me in, netparents.

Mark Heinicke
Dept. of Geography
University of Maryland at College Park
mark@geog5.umd.edu
From: fharvey@U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Francis Harvey)
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Subject: USGS Professional Papere 1102
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:09:29 GMT
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Is there a way to obtain  a specific USGS  Prof. paper using the net?
I am looking for a paper from C.J. Robinore in no. 1102.

Francis Harvey
University of Washington
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:28:48 U
From:         Mike Phoenix <esri!mailgate_esri!mike_phoenix@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Fullbright Exchange

                       Subject:                               Time:5:15 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Fullbright Exchange                    Date:1/22/93
Ko Terpstra of the International Agricultural University in Velp,
 #012#Netherlands
is looking for someone that might be interested in a years exchange via the
Fullbright Program, for the school year 1993-1994.  He is looking for someone
who teaches GIS and Environmental Sciences.

His school specializes in agriculture and forestry, and is involved in tropical
agriculture.  They have 2 PC ARC/INFO 3.4D+ Lab Kits and one UNIX ARC/INFO Lab
Kit.  Ko has a wife and two children that will be coming with him to the US and
he lives in one of the nicest parts of a delightful country, a very pastoral
part of the Netherlands.

If interested contact Ko directly at:

Ko Terpstra
International Agricultural University, Larenstein
PB 9001
Velp, the Netherlands
Phone 31-85-695680
Fax 31-85-695691

If you know of anyone that might be interested, please let them know and if
there other lists that also appropriate, please post this message or pass it
along to those who can.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:47:22 -0700
From:         KDRIESE <KDRIESE@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      temporary job in Wyoming

Temporary Job Opportunity:  Research Associate

University of Wyoming
Department of Botany
Project:  Gap Analysis of Wyoming

Duration:  6 months starting as soon as possible.

Pay:  $1500/month

Gap analysis is a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service funded project designed to
identify areas which might contain high vertebrate species diversity on a
state by state funding basis.  Animal habitat is modeled in a GIS (arc/info)
environment using numerous data layers.  This temporary position is to
help with the development of the vegetation map for Wyoming, which will
serve as one of those layers.  This map is being created using Landsat
Thematic Mapper satellite data.  The satellite scenes are hand digitized
to delineate zones of homogeneous vegetation, based on a classification
developed for Wyoming.

The job specifically involves adding attributes to these vegetation
polygons (primary and secondary vegetation, wetlands, etc) based on
on-screen "photo interpretation"of the digital data, incorporation
of existing data and, when necessary, field reconaissance.  Applicants
will be assigned one TM scene at a time to attribute.  The job is full time
for 6 months but hours are flexible.  Requires 1)  knowledge of the
vegetation of the central Rocky Mountains in the context of terrain,
geology and other habitat characteristics that can be inferred from
imagery and maps,  2)  some familiarity with GIS--specifically arc/info,
3)  Some experience with photointerpretation.

This is an excellent opportunity for an B.S. or M.S. level person interested
in gaining GIS and field experience in a research environment.  Please contact

Ken Driese
Department of Botany
University of Wyoming
Laramie, WY 82071-3165
(307)766-2235 phone
(307)766-2851 fax
"kdriese@uwyo.edu"
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:30:00 GMT
From:         STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      Re: Spatiotemp biblio

> Please send me a copy of the Spatiotemporal Database Bibliography too.
> Thanks in advance.

My understanding was that this Bibliography IS intended to also see the
light of day in the ASCM /SIGMOD bulletin! At this rate the publishers
of that esteemed journal will find themselves not selling a single copy! :-)

Perhaps this is an argument in favour of electronic journals?

Darius

(PS I can get away with saying this now - I've got my advance copy of the
Bibliog! :-)
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:10:19 CST
From:         Pete Wolter <pwolter@SPARKIE.NRRI.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Russian images

Hi there,

We have a visiting scientist from Moscow who would like to know where she
could locate imagery (GIFs etc.) of the Moscow/Volga region. She wishes to
demonstrate the abilities of GIS on some examples of Russian imagery to a
group of Russian buisnessmen. Please, if you would, send INTERNET addresses
where she might find available imagery for this region of Russia.

Thanks a bunch!

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Natural Resources Research Institute                Telephone: (218) 720-4275
Center for Water and the Environment                Facsimile: (218) 720-4219
University of Minnesota, Duluth, MN     Internet:pwolter@sparkie.nrri.umn.edu
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:26:45 -0600
From:         Kuo-Chen Chang <harry@ATLAS.SOCSCI.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      How to get Spatiotemporal Database Bibliography

Hello netters.

Maybe I missed something.  Is there any better way to get a copy of
Spatiotemporal Database Bibliography?  Any ftp site available?
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From: mccauley@ecn.purdue.edu (Darrell McCauley)
Subject: Re: Mail vs Posting
Organization: Ag Engineering Dept, Purdue University 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:59:25 GMT

In article <01GTV0IA3WS89D6B6G@BOOTES.UNM.EDU>, "JAMES I. EBERT" <EBERT@UNMB.BITNET> writes:

|> I would like to take this opportunity to suggest, also in the interests of
|> saving all of our time, that the "subject" lines of messages to the general
|> list be very carefully composed.  Instead of just everyone saying "spatio-

"Compose" nothing unless you have no other option. If you are making a followup
(and you are now reading GIS-L), use the reply command in your mail software.
This should automatically prepend "Re: " to the subject line. If it doesn't,
have your system administrator fix this.

This makes it much easier for those of us (who are now reading 
comp.infosystems.gis) to follow a thread.  It also makes it easier to KILL 
messages that are of no interest. E.g., my kill file looks something like 
this:
      /MHS NonDelivery Report/:j
      /MHS Nondelivery Report.s/:j
      /Spatiotemporal Database /:j
      /Spatiotemporal Bibliogra/:j

Also, could someone please, please, PLEASE fix the software that is
used to gateway GIS-L to comp.infosystems.gis? Particularly, remove the five
spaces that are prepended to subject lines originating from a GIS-L
poster.  

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|> Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:20:00 MST
|> Sender:       Geographic Information Systems Discussion List <GIS-L@UBVM.BITNET>
|> From:         "JAMES I. EBERT" <EBERT@UNMB.BITNET>
|> Subject:      Re: Mail vs Posting

For some reason, this software wants to justify things coming from GIS-L
with a certain column. This is very annoying. The problem is compounded when
someone reading news posts a followup a GIS-L posting... the subject becomes:
"Subject: Re:     Re: Mail vs Posting"

-- 
James Darrell McCauley                Dept of Ag Engineering, Purdue Univ
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:44:20 CST
From:         ST00000 <ST00@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: U.S. Historical bndrs

HI,
    The U.S. historical boundary digital files from 1850-1970 (one for
every ten years) are available from:
     Dr. Carville Earle
     Department of Geography and Anthropology
     Louisiana State University
     Baton Rouge, LA 70808

    I am one of those who have worked on these files.  They were
originally digitized in Atlas*Draw.  The resolution is relatively
coarse at county and state levels but it should be fine at national
levels (of course, it depends on what you want to do with them).
    I believe these files are available in Atlas .ABF, and intergraph
formats.  Recently, I put them in ARC/INFO coverages.  However, I am not
supposed to distribute to anyone because I left LSU two years ago.
For boundaries earlier than 1850, I am not sure they have those because
they were talking about digitizing them long time ago.
    Hope this helps.
Changyong Cao
st00@siuemus
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:29:38 EST
From:         NINA@CATHAR.JCU.EDU.AU
Subject:      Bathymetry data

Could someone tell me where I could find a 1:1 million - 1:2 million
digital bathymetry map for the world, or at least the east coast of
Australia. Is this free? If not how much?
    You can reply to me on the net or directly to me

    Thanks in advance
    Nina
    nina@cathar.jcu.edu.au
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:05:39 EST
From:         decvax!tlogics!info@UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU
Subject:      RE: Graphical library/toolkit

Jon Marthins (jon@dikas.no) asks:

> I'm going to write a program to view map data efficiently (vectors, areas,
> symbols etc). I don't want to use a fully configured GIS program.
>
> The question is to find a suitable library/toolkit to base such an utility
> on.  The library must handle vectors, filled polygons, raster and vector
> symbols.  It should be possible to use vector symbols to draw lines for
> example.  The viewer will be 2D, but 3D might be needed later.  I want
> to use my own datastructure for storing map objects (i.e attributes to
> a land area object describes the color and fillstyle for the area).
>
> I'm looking for "the best" library for this, i.e the right tradeoff between
> speed/flexibility/coding complexity.  I'm thinking in the lines of
> Xlib, PEXlib, OpenGL, PHIGS, GKS, Uniras, ???
>
> Any recommendations/experiences with these or other ?
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:59:00 GMT+0200
From:         TULADHAR@ITC.NL
Subject:      Use of GIS in Bio-diversity

Hi,
Has anybody literature list which gives use of GIS for biodiversity?
If yes, please send list to my email address: TULADHAR@ITC.NL
Thanks. A Tuladhar.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:00:45 EDT
From:         Edson Nascimento Silva Junior <EDSON@RIO.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Spatiotemporal Database Bibliography

        Please send me a copy of the Spatiotemporal Database Bibliography too.

        Thanks in advance.


        Edson N. Silva Jr.

        edson@cos.ufrj.br

        COPPE/UFRJ
        Programa de Engenharia de
        Sistemas e Computacao
        Rio de Janeiro
        BRAZIL
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:20:00 MST
From:         "JAMES I. EBERT" <EBERT@UNMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mail vs Posting

I'd like to second (third or fourth, by now) Duane Marble's suggestion
that requests for the spatiotemporal bibliography, or anything else, be sent
directly to individual e-mail addresses rather than just "answered" back
to the list as a whole.  The latter is inappropriate use of very valuable
resources, as well as everyone's time and account billings.

I would like to take this opportunity to suggest, also in the interests of
saving all of our time, that the "subject" lines of messages to the general
list be very carefully composed.  Instead of just everyone saying "spatio-
temporal bibliography" when they are asking for a copy, they might want to
put "spatiotemporal bibliography: copy request."  Or, if you're asking
about whether anyone has any knowledge of sightings of yetis, give us a
subject line that says "Yeti sightings?" rather than without the question
mark!  Then we can all just delete that message from our directory, rather
than reading it, unless we have yeti sightings of our own to report.

So -- _does_ anyone have any yeti sightings to report?
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:32:00 EST
From:         JJONES@CLARKU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: IDRISI's Tosca digitizer.... HELP!!!

   In response to problems with the Tosca digitizer, a few clarifications
may be in order.
   I have not tested Tosca on a network, and as you are probably aware,
it uses an overlay file; it does not surprise me that errors come out of
the network since there may be problems in references to memory locations
which are generated: do addresses refer to memory in the host computer or
the node?
   When you begin digitizing, Tosca creates a new array to store control
points in the heap; the 'not enough memory' error may mean that at the
time you began digitizing, another application had used up too much of
the host.  Since Tosca frequently creates and disposes of arrays in the
heap memory area, I would be wary of the use of TSR's or its application
on a network; as I mentioned, I just have not looked into this, so I can
only guess at the moment.
   You mention getting 'booted out' of digitize mode; on very fast systems
(i.e. 486's) we have had problems distinguishing between individual mouse
clicks.  Are you digitizing in 'continuous' mode, and exiting by having
your machine pick up two successive termination clicks from the digitizing
puck?
   Send information about your Tosca version, and your hardware, and I
will try to make more sense of this.
   Jeff Jones.
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From: lynn@hssc.scarolina.edu (Lynn Shirley)
Subject: AVHRR as Arc polygons ?
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:20:35 GMT

I've had someone trying to convert AVHRR bi-weekly composite 
data into Arc polygon form as part of a project I'm 
administering. We're after a generalized landcover map.

There have been some problems described to me as
"problems matching attribute data to polygons" in Arc. 
The hang-up is with the data storage format (8 vrs. 16
bit data) associated with the ERDAS/Arc translation.

Have you successfully used AVHRR in polygon or GRID format
within Arc?  What is this person missing in terms of making 
the link between geog. entity (GRID cell or polygon) and 
attribute value.  As a "non-ERDAS" user I'm somewhat at 
a loss for suggestions.

Thanks ..

Lynn Shirley

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:24:31 PST
From:         "Karen Steede @" <esri!magellen!karens@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      GIS for Environmental Applications

Netters:

For anyone interested in using GIS for environmental applications (i.e. oil
spill, hazardous waste, environmental monitoring, etc.), ESRI (Redlands
office) has developed a prototype Marine Spill GIS (MSGIS) application
program. If you would like further information, please contact Lucia
Barbato.

e-mail:  lbarbato@esri.com
phone: (909) 793-2853 ext. 1738
FAX:  (909) 793-5953
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:44:26 PST
From:         Ravi Narasimhan <esri!turing!ravi@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Arcplot 6.1 Surfacedrape Problem

Louis,
      when a filled polygon is draped using

SURFACEDRAPE POLYGONSHADES cover ...

the polygons are first rasterized and then draped. Consequently there is
an error in the borders of the polygons equal to the size of the raster cell.
The size of the raster cell is equal to the SURFACERESOLUTION.
So, in order to minimize the overlap of polygons, set the SURFACERESOLUTION
to a small value, and then issue the SURFACEDRAPE command.

Ravi.
rnarasimhan@esri.com
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:39:43 +0100
From:         conto@IUAV.UNIVE.IT
Subject:      ArcCAD data sets

I'm a new ArcCAD user (a Gis produced by Esri, based on AutoCAD as
graphical environment). Input files accepted by ArcCAD are AutoCAD
drawings and ARC/INFO coverages. I would need some "true" samples of
both kinds of data (mainly ARC/INFO coverages, that I can't find here)
to test ArcCAD features.
Can anybody suggest where to find some useful data sets - ftp sites,
organisations, the good heart of some readers ?
Thanks.

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Centro Interdipartimentale di Elaborazione Statistica e Calcolo
Istituto Universitario di Architettura - Venezia - Italy
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