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From: ktt3@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Koon Tang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: PPP - Point to Point Protocol
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:01:23 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, UK

Dear all,

Does anybody know the latest version of PPP, the Point to Point Protocol
for connecting Suns together?

Also where can I get this version from? There seems to be so many varities
in the archives...

Thanks in advance.

Koon T. Tang,
University of Brighton,
England
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: gaarder@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Gaarder)
Subject: Yes, there ARE Catalyst discounts on the SparcClassic
Organization: AC Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:13:27 GMT

Our Sun rep informed me the other day that there indeed are Catalyst 
discounts available on the SparcClassic, albeit smaller discounts than
usual - they work out to around 28-30%.  Here are a couple examples:


19-inch Greyscale Monitor, 16-Mbyte,
207-Mbyte Internal SCSI Disk            4/15M3-16-P40-07        $ 3,574

15-inch Color Monitor, 16-Mbyte,
207-Mbyte Internal SCSI Disk            4/15DC-16-P40-07        $ 3,041

19-inch Color Monitor, 16-Mbyte,
424-Mbyte Internal SCSI Disk            4/15C-16-P43-07         $ 5,477

16-Mbyte, 1.05-Gbyte Internal           4/15S-16-P46-07         $ 3,802
SCSI Disk (server)

Steven Gaarder                              Network and Systems Administrator
gaarder@actech.com                          A C Technology, Ithaca, N.Y., USA
From: devil@diablery.10A.com (Gil Tene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 16MB simms for LX?
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:16:11 GMT
Organization: Diablery, cloud seven, Hell. (also 10A Inc.)

I want to stick some 16MB Simms in a new Sparcstation LX.
I understand I need 4Mx33bits @ 60ns SIMMS, and that I can only
plug them in by the pair (i.e. 32MB at a time). Is my information 
correct?

Anyone know a good place to buy these at a reseonable price?
(non-800 phone numbers would be appreciated).

AdvThanks,

-- Gil.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: To SQE or not SQE
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:37:16 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Dec14.220053.7368@ccd.harris.com> cone@controls.ccd.harris.com (Tom Cone) writes:
>Case: SUN Sparcstation-2 with thick-net port.
>      When I connect it to the thick-net transceiver should I have SQE
>      (heartbeat) in or out? Why?

In.  This tests continuity of the collision-detect wires in the AUI cable
and connectors on every packet sent.  Most any modern machine expects this.
It is desirable because it detects failures that are otherwise very hard
to spot and can degrade network performance quite significantly.

The only exception is that transceivers attached to repeaters should have
SQE out; for complex reasons, repeaters are built to expect this.

>      I have heard you need it in to comply with IEEE802.3 standards. Is
>      this true? If so what section is it in?

The SQE test is an integral part of the 802.3 base standard; it's mentioned
all over the place in it, if I recall correctly.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:16:27 GMT

Why is Sun losing touch with their customer base?  First, they
use and continue to use a ridiculous, ugly windowing manager (olwm) despite
the fact that a majority of their users use mwm.  OpenWindows is fine
but I want Sun to provide mwm.  Yes, I hate paying $250 for a license
for every Sun we buy.  

Now, Sun is abandoning SunOS!!!  The question IS NOT why don't vendors
port their apps but WHY can't I run my old apps on new, faster hardware?
Sun is supposed to be custoemer responsive and built its successes on 
meeting user's needs where traditional, large computer makers used
proprietary software and OS's.  Now, they're telling everyone to
abandon their old knowledge and apps for a new OS.  What does Solaris 
incorporate that they could not put into SunOS???  Buying old hardware
to support an old OS is not an option in my opinion.  They should not
have caused such confusion in the first place.  

If this is the direction that Sun is taking, then they will definitely 
alienate people who bought their machines.  Sun is no better and no
worse than other vendors who say, "do what we tell you to do when we
tell you to do it.  if you don't listen to us, we won't supprt your old
os forever and you won't be able to run our newest and fastest machines"

This is the straw which will cause me to stop being Suns and start
purchasing new machines which seem more customer-oriented.  I 
have been really impressed with the way DEC is remanaging their
business and producing fast machines (i.e. Alpha).  I hate the
fact that our group works on VAXs, MIPs machines, and SUNs.  However,
with this ultimatum by Sun, I will not continue to purchase their
machines.
From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCclassic and SunOS 4.1.x
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:34:31 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

bfong@btr.btr.com (B Fong) writes:

>Can someone verify (positively) if the SPARCclassic will run SunOS 4.1.x?

>The SPARCclassic is really cheap but most of us in the real
>world are still running 4.1.x applications. (and many real apps just
>don't work in BCP mode)

You win the prize!  You have, sub-consciously, hit upon the reason that
the Classic only runs Solaris 2.x -> Sun wants to create a critical mass
so that the applications migration moves a bit faster.  By increasing
the installed base with inexpensive machines that can only run 2.x,
Sun puts pressure on developers to get the 2.x apps done.

>Does anyone know this for sure?  That is, actually installed one?

>Thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: lance@bach.udel.edu (Daniel A Lentz)
Subject: Re: Sun's GUI and OS mistakes (was Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.182401.7736@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.185356.17158@midway.uchicago.edu> epc1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <BEAULIEU.92Dec16084643@piranha.bose.com> beaulieu@bose.com (Larry Beaulieu) writes:
>>>
>>>> Oh my god, first OpenLook and now UNIX.  Sun better remember what
>>>
>>>	Oh, you mean 'BrokenLook'.
>>

	Well, this is probably pretty useless to post, but I find that I *like*
	openlook.  It's a little slow, but with enough memory, its pretty
	good, and I find the control layout for regular xterm-type windows
	to be far better than Motif's.  I always kept hitting that
	damn big square in motif and getting full-screen xterms, which are
	pretty useless. I like to double click and have a full-height
	but still 80 column window.  

	I think that some of the sliders and toys are annoying, but I don't
	use any apps that use them.  They *look* really good though. 
	I found Motif to be fairly cluttered, and that slowed me down
	more than anything.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: oneill@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian 'Doc' O'Neill)
Subject: Help me!!! Sun 4/280 Watchdog Reset
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:02:12 GMT

I have a Sun 4/280 that I've had for 2 years now. Suddenly three days ago it
reset itself with a Watchdog reset, without an explanation. It then did it
again 3 times last night, and then again just now. This time, I attempted
to continue by hitting 'c', and got something like

Spurious interrupt at processor level 14

What does this mean? What could cause it? We unfortunately don't have a
current service contract...we were about to get one...

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University of Massachusetts at Lowell
Internet: oneill@ulowell.edu		Moderator, comp.binaries.ibm.pc
From: cc971@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen  C. Fitch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 1.3 Gbyte Desktop Storage Module
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:36:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc971@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen  C. Fitch)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Hi,

we just received a Sun Desktop Storage Module containing a 1.3Gbyte
disk drive. We were expecting to connect this drive to a SparcStation
1 we have. According to the manual with the drive the SpacStation 1 is
not listed as supporting the module. Can anyone out there confirm or
deny this situation?

I expect to run with 4.1.3 so I can do with out the patches required
to run with older OS's.

Your time is appreciated

Steve Fitch                            o          ,__o        o   /\/\
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                                FAX: +44 (908)65 3744
From: flaregun@bach.udel.edu (Ed Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Flow control and /dev/ttya serial port
Keywords: flow,serial,port,communication
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:11:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware
Originator: flaregun@bach.udel.edu


  I have been trying to use a printer connected to a Sparcstation SLC through
/dev/ttya.  It is an HP DeskJet printer.  Everything SEEMS to work fine, but
when you print more than a couple of pages, data starts getting lost.  I've
tried every possible eeprom flow-control setting in "ttya-mode=".  I've used
termios ioctl()'s to alter the flow control settings of the port.  Nothing
seems to have any effect at all.  The /etc/ttytab entry is set to "off local
secure".  HELP!

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From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:38:43 GMT
Organization: western geophysical exploration products
In-reply-to: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu's message of 20 Dec 92 06:34:53 GMT

>>>>> On 20 Dec 92 06:34:53 GMT, ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) said:
	Ajay> NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

	Ajay> epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin) writes:

>Now, Sun is abandoning SunOS!!!  The question IS NOT why don't vendors
>port their apps but WHY can't I run my old apps on new, faster hardware?

	Ajay> To be fair, Solaris 2 does include a backwards compatibility mode
	Ajay> which takes care of a lot of applications software.

	Ajay> Things like device drivers won't work for sure.



Its still SUNOS ..... SUNOS 5.0 .... Solaris 2.X is a name for a group
of items, SUNOS 5.0, OpenWindows 3.X, DeskSet, etc ....

The  main  thing  is its SUNOS 5.0 ...  its stil SUNOS ... but its new
and improved.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson)
Subject: Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x - how ?
Keywords: Enterprising opportunity
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:24:38 GMT

In article <lma.724397841@dayton.Stanford.EDU> lma@dayton.Stanford.EDU (Larry Augustin) writes:
>Exactly.  And until all of our apps are ported to 2.x, and we're given
>free upgrades to those apps, 2.x is useless to us and we can't switch.
>Since it looks like it's going to be a while before that happens, we
>need 4.1.x on the new machines.

Sun obviously wants to sell enough machines that run 2.x to force software 
firms to provide packages for them. On the other hand, HP, IBM, Dec might
already have the software ported to their platform, without the hassle of
waiting for Sol2 to reach the critical mass, and to have all bugs mangled
out. So perhaps Sun is making you choose other vendors ? How do you act ?
You don't want to buy a Sun you can't use just to wait for your application
to eventually be ported do you ?

/Per
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From: gnaa38@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Paul Porcelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Dat versus Magneto Optical Disk
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:32:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Can anyone help. I'm in a bit of a dilemma as to whether i need Dat or Optical Disks for a project i'm working on.
We will be collecting data through a 200 channel Dat aAcquisition System connected to a Dos based 486 PC. There appear to be two routes we can take. 
 
Route 1:
The resulting (max 1.5mb each) files will then be transferred to a 128mb Optical Disk(rmwm). This disk will then be transferred manually to another part of the city where it will be mounted on an identical drive connected to a Unix box(SPARCsation10). The> >  files will then be transferred using Mtools (public domain software). This will be followed by numbetr crunching and graphical output. The resulting data will be archived onto a worm optical disk when the disk gets to full.

Route2:
This is the same as above but replacing the optical drives with Dat drives.
  
Can anyone give me some idea as to what i would be sacrificing in terms of transfer rates if i take the Dat route. The data from the pc will be transported when around 100mb has been collected.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,alt.sys.sun
From: lindh@uhasun.hartford.edu (Andrew Lindh)
Subject: What VME slot does an ALM go in? (in a Sun-3/160)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The University of Hartford
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:27:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: skynet.hartford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


In a Sun-3/160 what VME slot does an ALM go in?
We have a CPU, Memory exmansion, and two XY451 controllers.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mgrice@athena.mit.edu (Matthew Grice)
Subject: Clones.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:19:54 GMT

Could someone send me a list of SPARCloners and their numbers/addresses?
You know, companies like Solbourne, Tatung, Samsung, Compuadd, etc.

Thanks,

Matt Grice

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (Adams)
Subject: SUN 3/160 configuring problem --- Help
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:40:45 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: TH-Darmstadt


We are running a SUN3/160 system. We would like to
expand memory from 8 to 16 MB.

current (running) configuration:

Backplane:                       ( 501 105 301 048 )
slot  1: 3/160 CPU with 4 MB     ( 501 116 403 788 )
slot  2: 1st 4 MB Sun Mem Exp    ( 501 113 211 495 )
slot  9: SMD Controller          ( 501 116 604 733 )
slot 11: Sun VME SCSI Controller ( 501 123 608 008 )

Following SUN document `cardcage slot assignments and backplane
configuration procedures' first memory expansion should be
placed in slot 5. When trying this CPU will recognize only 4 MB.

2nd and 3rd memory expansions are never found. 

To ensure that memory is working we tested each board as
1st expansion in slot 2.

Each memory is configured following SUN document `Memory Board
Configuration Procedure'

EEPROM parameters were changed according to new configuration.

Does anybody have any advice or hints ?

Can anybody help us to get answers to following questions

- how is the SUN memory bus organized, is there a slot dependend
  addressing of boards ? (If not we probably have a broken backplane)

- our PROM Monitor ( compiled 5/22/89 ) has only extended selftest
  for keyboard, ethernet and seriell ports. It seems strange that
  there is no memory test.

- should there be any termination of the memory bus ? How could this be
  achieved ?

- does anybody have something like a SUN part number listing to verify that
  we have parts which will work together ?

- Does anybody know where to get further hardware documentation
  ( CPU board, FPA installation, etc. .. )

- I noticed three empty sockets on the CPU board near the memory
  and the P3 connector. They are labeled with P2/110, 9518, AL5254.
  Does anybody know about their purpose ?

thank`s for any help

Wolfgang

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* TH- Darmstadt
* Institute for Flight Mechanics and Control Theory
* 

Please reply to rohr@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.16.2]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: lidl@pix.com (Kurt J. Lidl)
Subject: Re: Sun 3/60 / Archive QIC-150 boot problems
Keywords: aaaaack
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:23:29 GMT

In article <eric.724211784@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> eric@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu (Eric Volpe) writes:
>Hi... I'm having a problem using a Sun 3/60 (prom rev lvl. 1.6) with
>an Archive QIC-150 SCSI tape. 
>
>When I try to boot a SunOS 4.1.1 boot tape (60 Mb format) from the
>prom monitor ("b st()") it fails with a complaint about "sense" or
>something, or sometimes with "dma never completed". 

I was told once by a fairly reliable source that all the sun3
series computers didn't have support for booting off 150meg drives.

>The same command succeeds with the same tape on another 3/60, and the
>other 3/60 will also boot the tape from the prom monitor with "b st()"
>without any problems. 

Will the "other 3/60" boot the tape in a 60 megabyte drive of a 150 meg
drive?

-Kurt
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: joe@oilean.islandsw.com (Joe McGuckin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Wanted: SS1 or SS2 enclosure & power supply
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:38:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Island Software

I have a spare mother board & would like to turn it into a 
complete system.

Contact:

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From: aad@siemens.com. (Anthony Datri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x - how ?
Keywords: Enterprising opportunity
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:10:55 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Organization: Siemens Corp. Res., Inc.

>no one.  Even if you don't like Solaris 2.x, ONE supported OS (with
>all the apps migrated) is better than a mixed up world with some apps
>running in one environment and others only running in the other.

True, which is why I've tried to avoid SysV and its missing features all these
years.

>	Ease of use, I take it out of the box, turn it on, and answer
>	1 or 2 questions, then login.

Many sites have more than one machine.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: karl@thuja.gsfc.nasa.gov (Karl A. Anderson)
Subject: Adding RAM to SS10?
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:29:44 GMT

When adding RAM to an SS10/30, how many SIMMs must be added at a time?  In other
words, if I want to add 16MB, can I buy just one 16MB SIMM?  TIA.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: subbarao@phoenix.fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao)
Subject: DES chip
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:44:57 GMT
Reply-To: subbarao@fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao)
Organization: putchar('I'); for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) putchar('E');


Does anyone know where I can obtain a DES chip for a sun workstation? I
couldn't find anything in the Sun express catalog, and nobody at
1-800-USE-SUNX could help me either.

	-Kartik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: beaulieu@bose.com (Larry Beaulieu)
Subject: DAT recommendations wanted
Organization: Bose Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:53:45 GMT


	The powers that are have decreed that we will
	purchase a 4mm DAT drive to connect to a SPARC
	running 4.1.x. (Actually, I want it in order to
	be able to read tapes for our HP-UX systems using
	a Sun)
	
	Any recommendations (or flames) as to drives and
	vendors? (email preferred)

	Thanks.
--



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: zhao@nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao)
Subject: HSI/S for T1K
Reply-To: zhao@nmsu.edu
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:51:51 GMT

My Sparc will be a Stand alone and non-internet site machine.  Is it
necessary to buy the HIS/S (High speed serial interface/SBus) T1 card
for Sparc 10 to FTP/TELNET from/to internet?  What is the right way to
do that?

ZiZi


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware