HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hibrown@sarah.albany.edu (Herb Brown)
Subject: Re: MultiPlot
Keywords: MultiPlot plot plotting
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:27:17 GMT

In article <udmx.718748952@mcl> udmx@mcl.ucsb.edu (Richard Boyd) writes:
>
>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of MultiPlot XLNf (or whatever the
>latest version is)?  All help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks -
>Richard Boyd (udmx@mcl.ucsb.edu)
>    
>
>

I believe the latest version is XLNe and may be found on FF572.

Herb


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 05:13:36 GMT

(I'm sorry.  I *HAVE* to follow this up.  Someone PLEEEEEEZE tell me how to make a
kill-file!)

As always, MB comes up with more nonsense, thusly:

>   You are posting nonsense.  The "flicker-fixing" features of the A4000 is
>done entirely in software, and I do not trust software as much as hardware.

Oh, pardonnez-MOI, *GOD* does not TRUST software now.  Gee, if you don't trust
software, why run it?  The way I see it is, any way C= get rid of the flicker is
fine, and if they cut costs on their hardware, it's no problem.  Like I said
somewhere else, a patch will soon turn up to fix software that still flickers.

>and there will be nothing you can do about it.  On the A4000 there are also
>no facilities available to promote non-interlaced 640x200 or 320x200
>screens to 31Khz to remove the scan-lines.

What's wrong with scanlines?  A flicker-fixed display looks kinda chunky if you
ask me (not that you'd ask ANYONE'S opinion, MB).  So it won't run on a >=31KHz
MultiScan (BTW, MultiSync is an NEC trademark...  Not many people know that :)
monitor - if you can afford an A4000, I'm sure you'll be able to afford a new
monitor, and you'd get more offers for buying your old A3000 if you sold the
monitor with it...  If you're NOT selling your A3000, you need a new monitor
anyway!  (Did y'all follow that?)

>of non-interlaced display resolution.  I know for a fact that it is possible
>to use such a monitor with an A3000 without the display EVER being reduced to
>garbage.

On a similar note, the display of the DECstation I'm using to write this gets
reduced to garbage every time something by MB turns up...  Coincidence?

OK, OK, maybe that last paragraph should have a smiley.  On the other hand, why
bother?

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>              A4000: JUST SAY NO!!!

PS:  Kurt Haenen - way cool .sig!

PPS:  MB, please reduce your postings to one line or less, I'm NOT impressed with
your ability to talk out of your a** using a keyboard.
From: cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 complete or not?
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:32:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Research Lab

>>>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:24:22 GMT, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) said:

>    Of the three original Amiga custom chips -- the Denise, Agnus, and Paula
> chips -- only the Denise chip has been improved.  It has been renamed to
> "Lisa".  The Paula chip is exactly the same as before, and hasn't even been
> renamed.  And even though the Agnus chip has been renamed to "Alice", one
> Commodore engineer has confirmed that it has not been changed very much at
> the core.  (It is still limited to addressing 2M of chip RAM, the same as the
> Agnus chip)

i suggest that the change from a .5meg chip (fat agnus) to a 2meg chip
(superfat agnus/alice) is an improvement.

>    So, if you consider the lack of improvements to two of the three custom 
> chips to mean that the AGA chipset is "incomplete", then yes the AGA chipset
> is VERY incomplete.

ahem. that would be lack of improvement in _one_ of the custom chips.

>    Some people might prefer that you keep messages such as this to advocacy,
> but I am not one of them.

that's only because in the non advacacy groups, someone might actually
believe your drivel.

c.


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From: warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: C-Manual
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:06:28 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

> Does anyone know an FTP site where I can get the NEWEST version of the
> Amiga C-Manual?>
> 
fish disks 691-695

wuarchive.wustl.edu

systems/amiga/fish/disks/f6/ff691
                           /ff692  etc.

This is the 10-disk set.  As far as I know it's the newest version, if anyone 
knows any different, they might let me know.

Cheers,

   Bill Bennett                           JANET: warda@uk.ac.oxford.vax    
   CRC Growth Factors Research Group   Internet: warda%vax.oxford.ac.uk
From: Jamie_Krutz@a68k.denver.CO.US (Jamie Krutz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Finally got to play with an A4000
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:33:59 GMT
Organization: The Arvada 68K BBS- Westminster, CO

|      /// Michael Sinz  -  Senior Amiga Systems Engineer says:
>I would also not sell my A3000 unless I needed the money.  I would,
however,
>buy an A4000 if graphics/AGA support in my software or the software I use
>was at all important to me.  Also, if speed is something you like, the
A4000
>is one fast machine.  But then, I do love that 68040 processor...

Hi Michael,
 thanks for all your informative posts to the net.

I just got my first chance to play with an A4000.  I'm interested in it for
animation, among other things.  I did several tests which were
dissapointing.  Perhaps you can tell me what I might have been doing wrong:

1)  Created a dpaint anim in 16 color interlaced mode where I had a square
tumbling away and spinning, using the move command.  On the first part of
the anim I filled every frame (except for the menu bar and toolbox areas
due to dpaint's inability to paint in those areas when the menu bar and
toolbox are showing) with a different color.  When I animated it, the part
of the anim where most of the pixels were changing between each frame did
not run at 30fps; in fact didn't look significantly different in speed than
what an A3000 could do.

2)  Created a lightwave anim where I flew the camera, again for maximum
pixel change between frames, used ADpro to create DCTV 4 bitplane images,
made an anim and played it.  Again the speed did not look significantly
different from an A3000, by the subjective opinion of all present
(animators at a user group meeting).

Given the specs of the AGA and the speed of the 040, how can this be?  Can
the A4000 make 30fps under the conditions tested above and what do we need
to do to make this happen?

Thanks for your input,
 -Jamie

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 complete or not?
Keywords: I hate this!!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:24:22 GMT

In article <BvovDL.7Kt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>
>   
>     Because I am getting feeds from everywhere (ofcourse, being the ONLY
>Commodore-Amiga supporter among my circle), the info
>I get are sometimes false ).
>     There is a new rumor from my roommate, who happened to be living
>in the PeeCeeland, commented that the AGA chipset is incomplete.  What
>is the deal with this?  Anyone?

   Of the three original Amiga custom chips -- the Denise, Agnus, and Paula
chips -- only the Denise chip has been improved.  It has been renamed to
"Lisa".  The Paula chip is exactly the same as before, and hasn't even been
renamed.  And even though the Agnus chip has been renamed to "Alice", one
Commodore engineer has confirmed that it has not been changed very much at
the core.  (It is still limited to addressing 2M of chip RAM, the same as the
Agnus chip)

   So, if you consider the lack of improvements to two of the three custom 
chips to mean that the AGA chipset is "incomplete", then yes the AGA chipset
is VERY incomplete.

>P.S./2 If this is the wrong newsgroup, please refer me to the correct 
>       group.

   Some people might prefer that you keep messages such as this to advocacy,
but I am not one of them.


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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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From: tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Stefano Tine')
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Is Black bad in Europe ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:51:13 EDT
Organization: Dept.of Physics,Ohio State


Well, I'm italian and this statement of Europe not liking black for
electronics surprises me...but not quite completely. 
I remember years ago (say a dozen years) when light gray ('metallic') was 
the color of excellence for HI-FI components in Italy. I myself searched
explicitely for black stuff, but you just couldn't find it.
But this reversed very soon and now it's years that HI-FI components are
almost exclusively black.

The problem with CDTV is absolute lack of advertising, as for every
Amiga product in general. My favourite electronic store, the most important
and cheap in Genova, that uses to sell Amiga, never heard about it and
I had to explain them what it was (too difficult to understand for him..).
They called the Commodore distributor and quoted me a price. It was too high
for me and they forgot completely about CDTV.

You can find it only in some underground Amiga shop frequented by kids in
search ot the last game.

IMHO, the problem with CDTV fiasco (so far, I hope the situation will change)
in Italy is the ... unpossibility of pirating CDTV diskettes.
Just to make a point: I don't know about Germany and the rest of Europe, but
in Italy the success of Amiga is 99% due to under 18 buyers. They just want
to play games and piracy fluorishes... 
So the general feeling about Amiga products in Italy is exactly the same as
in USA: a videogames only machine for kids and hackers...  

 Everything expressed is strictly IMHO,  Stefano
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 and scan-lines, mode promotion, flicker
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:45:51 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <1992Oct9.203641.2131@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   Always?  Under all conditions (Super HiRes and Super72 excepted)?  You
>yourself just stated that if a program explicitly requests a certain monitor
>type (such as a 640x400 interlaced screen), then the screen will be opened
>as interlaced.  But you now make it sound like the software deinterlacing
>works at all times with all software, as the A3000's hardware deinterlacing
>does.

Not always but 99% of the time. A 'monitor type' is something different
than saying 640x400 interlace. The latter is a display mode. Most programs
will use 1.3 calls which work on the default.monitor and get promoted.
Other programs will use 2.0 calls and still get promoted. Only those programs
that use 2.0 calls and _explicitely_ ask for PAL or NTSC (not in terms
of resolution but of a special id value) will not get promoted.
I have yet to see one such program that doesn't allow the user to specify
which monitor type it should request but I have heard that DPaint 4 is
one lonely exception.

>   In other words, if you had an A4000 would you be willing to use it with a
>monitor that can only handle frequencies from 27Khz and higher?  

It would be usuable as I rarely play games. I found a single faux-pas,
the boot-menu opens in 15kHz mode only.

>>Marc, how many games do you know that use an interlaced display ?
>   Well, there's SimAnt and SimEarth.  There are probably others.

Is it possible that SimAnt and SimEarth run on intuition screens ?

Regards,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer)
Subject: Re: CShell 6.0 - out yet?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:31:38 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <9210150315.AA18433@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Paul Miller) writes:
|> I heard from a friend that there has been discussion of CShell 6.0. Is
|> it available by ftp yet, and, if so, where?

 Well, csh 6.0 is in work currently.

 Any comments for a new version of csh are pleased to send to 
 umueller@amiga.physik.unizh.ch
 (Source holder of csh)

|> * INTERNET: pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |    - Have a JOLT and a smile! -    *

 Vote for ARP-free csh :-)

Markus

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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Finally got to play with an A4000
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:39:15 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article <54551@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>	So... would I sell my A3000 to buy an A4000?  Probably not, because
>>I have no need right now for more colors, and my 68030's speed is
>>sufficient.  IMHO, the A4000 and AmigaOS 3.0 are evolutionary, not
>>revolutionary.  But if you have an unaccelerated A1000, A2000, or A500, and
>>have the money, take a serious look at the A4000.

In article <Bvy1A5.1uE@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   Basically what I've been saying.  The A3000 still has several advantages
>over the A4000: more flexibility in choosing a monitor, built-in SCSI, and
>higher non-interlaced resolutions.  It's quite a bit cheaper now, too.

	Marc, it is unbelievable how you can take my words, say they are
"basically what [you've] been saying", and then say something completely
different.  I did not say ANYTHING vaguely resembling your comments on the
A3000's alleged advantages and price.  All I said is that the A4000's
graphics were better but that I don't need improved graphics.  Sheesh.

	For the record, I disagree almost entirely with your comparison of
the A3000 and A4000.  Followups to .advocacy.

                                                        Dan

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From: johnv@tower.actrix.gen.nz (John Veldthuis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: GVP HC8 Hard disk controller
Distribution: World
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:36:50 +1200
Organization: Amiga Virus Extermination Services, TAUG

I have just installed a GVP HD controller and it has fixed my problems that
I had with my HardFrame controller. However it has added one of it's own
problems. I have a Segate ST157N and a Conner 200MB drive on the
controller. The HardFrame waited for the drives but the GVP does not wait
for the Segate and fails to see it from a power up. If you do a warm reboot
and the drive is spinning then things work as expected.

Does anyone know how to make the GVP HC8 wait for the drives to spin up?
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From: michael@galaga.stgt.sub.org (Michael Dreher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ASDG VD0: device (or similar) under ADOS RELEASE 2.05
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:58:17 MET
Organization: Private UUCP site

In article <67521@cup.portal.com> Jonas_Marten_Fjallstam@cup.portal.com writes:
> I ran DiskSpeed on VD0: and found it to be faster than my 52Meg Quantum that
> came with my A3000, but not by much. RAM: was 3X faster tan VD0: !!!

Change the DosType in the Mountlist to 0x444F5301 and patch the
vdisk.device at byte 769 from 'DOS'$00 to 'DOS'$01.  Now it uses the
FastFileSystem.

 cu, Michael

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Is Black bad in Europe ?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:30:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.142741.9447@bristol.ac.uk> ccsw@bristol.ac.uk (EthaStorm) writes:
>Second, in case you hadn't
>noticed, the majority of Europe is financially scr*wed!!! Recent figures claim
>that 27% of the British populace are on OR BELOW the poverty line, house
>repossessions by banks is at an all time high, unemployment is the highest
>ever.

   Somebody should give this information to Bill Clinton and Ross Perot.
They seem to have the idea that the U.S. is a third-world country with 
worst economy in the industrialized world.

>===============================================================================
>= The opinions contained in this transmission are my own. No-one else's.      =
>= My very own. They belong to me. They used to belong to my girlfriend.       =
>=                                                                             =
>=  E-Mail:- Steff.Watkins@bristol.ac.uk  Telephone:- +44 (272) 303531         =
>===============================================================================

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Cygnus Ed & Turbotext
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:41:42 GMT

In article <schwager.718492377@mike.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager) writes:

>Does that mean you cannot edit binary files with TurboText?  I have done so
>with CygnusEd- although it's kinda goofy the way the screen looks (all the
>little binary stuff goes down the left side of the screen).

TTX has a hex mode where you view the text the same way as you would using,
say, a sector editor.  I personally haven't used it but know that it's in
there.

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From: gad@fncrd6.fnal.gov (greg deuerling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: FishCat still around ???
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:14:36 GMT
Organization: Fermilab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fncrd6.fnal.gov


Is the FishCat FredFish data base program still being updated with new Fish
disks ??? If so where can I find the latest disk update files...

Thanks ....


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: Finally got to play with an A4000
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:25:03 GMT


     I also saw a 4000 this weekend, and I certainly agree that HAM8
tends to produce much better images in the hires modes than the 256
out of 16 million mode.  With HAM8 the rendering program has 1/4 the
number of base colors to work with (64), but the ability to do smooth
shading really makes a difference--no blotchy highlights, no muddy
shadows.  (I didn't have time to do much myself, just look at some
comparison images created by the store manager, both within the 4000
and on a Toaster equipped Amiga.  Surprisingly the Toaster lost!  The
slight advantage of 24-bit color was washed out by the NTSC resolution
limits.)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: oahvenla@blob.cs.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Re: A4000 and scan-lines, mode promotion, flicker
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:48:30 GMT

In <1992Oct8.031833.3257@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>In article <bmccnnll.718497481@unix1.tcd.ie> bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell) writes:
>>Sh*t. I _was_ considering buying one, but I'm now having second thoughts.
>>Although I suppose someone will quickly come up with a utility to force all
>>flickering screens into flicker-free, either via DblPAL or Productivity...

>   That will not help all programs, and likely will not help any of the
>games that can use interlaced screens.

Marc Barrett, the resident genious strikes again. Imagine a utility that hacks
the system calls so that every possible interlaced screen is opened in the
DblPAL or DblNTSC modes. Now check your list of games that can use interlace,
if you find any. Now.. Is there any game in this category that does not open
its screen with system calls? And when you've checked that, maybe you want to
tell us, where there is a routine in the system that decides whether a screen
is to be used by a game or not and accordingly modifies the NewScreen structure
is use flickering screens whenever possible?
BTW: Don't bother replying, you just got into my kill file.

>>Barry.
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>              A4000: JUST SAY NO!!!

A4000 is a great computer except for its lack of SCSI interface, which I
personally expect to be corrected with the release of A4000 SCSI or A4000T.
Too bad I can't afford it.

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