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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Experimentation and teaching on non-patients
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:16:22 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Aug28.020748.20551@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mdicker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Dickerson) writes:

>Can someone describe what is required during medical school as far as
>being the subject of experimentation and teaching?  I know that it is
>fairly common to use medical students for medical experimentation.  I am
>wondering how much of this is required, how much is because of "pressure"
>to do it, and how much is not required at all.
>

None is required.  The pressure is merely financial.  If you need
the money bad enough (as I did), you welcome the opportunity.

>
>The other question is the same thing except for teaching.  Is it required
>to volunteer yourself to be used for teaching physical methods (things
>like IVs, general physical exams, etc) to other medical students?  If so,

>Any detailed information would be appreciated.  This information is for a
>friend who is thinking of a medical career, but due to her cultural
>background, is not willing to undergo certain procedures.  Specifically,
>she is concerned that she will have to be examined by other medical
>students in a mixed-gender environment in any way which would require
>disrobing either entirely or partially.  This is just a cultural barrier

This would never happen to a female
nor would a male be asked to remove his shorts, even in an all male
class.  Any students selected for teaching are almost always muscular
males that welcome the opportunity to show off.  If it would bother
her to expose her knees or elbows, all she has to do is tell the
instructor ahead of time and she would not have to.  I can't imagine
a female being asked to expose more than this.  Don't forget there
are plenty of patients around to use for teaching.

A more serious problem would be if she had some problem examining
patients when they were disrobed.  How would she feel about that?
This would be a real hang up that could interfere.

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From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Chinese Herb for Malaria
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.134352.4312@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>
>News flash from today's Wall Street Journal, that indispensible
>wellspring of medical & scientific information (p B4): 
>
>RHONE-POULENCE RORER, the Franco-American Pharmaceutical concern, has
>announced that it is developing a new antimalarial agent expected to
>reach the market in 1993.  The drug is to be marketed under the name
>Paluther; it is a semisynthetic derivative of an alkaloid of Qing Hao,
>an herb used for 2000 years in traditional chinese medicine.  The drug
>is apparently derived from a chemical family with the picaresque name
>"artemisins;"  the drug may be very useful since resitance to older
>remedies (quinine and chloroquine) is becoming widespread. 
>
>Another good example of an herbal remedy being empirically tested,
>and (perhaps) becoming part of the armamentarium of the "scientific
>establishment."  Despite the enthusiasm with which news of this kind
>might be greeted on fidonet, this does not mean that all 2000 year old
>chinese herbal remedies are effective :)

Thanks for the warning. Surely you're not suggesting that this herbal 
remedy wasn't empirically tested until RHONE-POULENCE RORER came along.
Or do you mean that chinese herbal remedies aren`t effective unless they
have been blessed by the "scientific establishment? Chinese medicine
can stand on its own, blessed or cursed, for that matter.
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green@island.com            that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Non-Alcoholic Beers
From: sbrack@jupiter (Steven S. Brack)
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:55:42 EST
Followups-To: sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
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	A couple quick questions:

		1) On average, how much alcohol is in nonalcoholic beers, and

		2) What, if any, are the negative health risks associated with
		   nonalcoholic beers?

			Please reply via email.



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From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Smartdrugs
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 01:47:31 GMT

Peggy.Noonan@p0.f66.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Peggy Noonan) writes:

| A second item:  I've just written a short piece for the same magazine about a
| memory improving steroid and during the interview with Dr. Eugene Roberts, 
| [ ... ]
| The drug he's working with is old and well-tested 
| with no side effects (it was used during the 1940s for a different purpose) 

Congratulations on the publishing of your article.

Could you name this substance?  Is it DHEA itself?

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 

"You can put lipstick on a hog, and call it 'Monique', but it's still a pig."

-- Ann Richards, the wildly popular, Harley Riding Governor of Texas
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:15:51 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <7232.2aa34153@dcatla.uucp> cuegf@dcatla.uucp writes:
>
>It is rather amusing that while these anti-psychiatry people
>cite all psychiatric medications as dangerous because of their
>side effects, they say nothing about chemotherapy treatments
>for cancer, which are far more life-threatening and "toxic"
>than effects of properly used psychiatric medications. Why 
>don't they protest cancer chemotherapy?  Isn't that a 

Where have you been?  The same people also say exactly those
things about chemotherapy and advocate cancer patients
taking herbs that they pick out in the woods instead of
the chemotherapy that often cures them.



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From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:17:36 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>I would like to see some statistics on postings over the last fewy
>months comparing between you and Gordon in terms of factual data
>and helpful answers for net questions.

Ok, since you ask.  In the last couple of weeks I posted 4 articles in
sci.med.  I haven't posted here otherwise for probably over a year.

The first was a disagreement with Gordons "you're getting it for free so
stop bitchin" post.  The second was a response in kind to his flame in
reply.

For my pains, I've been called dense, I've been told to screw myself, it's
been suggested that I hate doctors and think they are all jerks, and I've
been called a jerk myself.

Amazing!  Are you guys *really* so insecure?
-- 
Ray Dunn at home    |    ray@philmtl.philips.ca    |    (514) 630 3749
From: libman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Verelan (or Verelar) and Exercise: Any Contraindications?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:12:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu


Is anyone familiar with the medication Verelan or Verelar?  One of my
co-workers was placed on this medication (she left it at home and
doesn't remember the exact spelling) for migraines.  Her doctor told
her it was a calcium channel blocker, or something like that.  Anyhow,
her doctor has gone to Europe for a month, but she was wondering if
she can do aerobic exercise while on this medication.  Will the fact
that the medication has an effect on her pulse rate mean that aerobic
exercise could be harmful to her while on this medication?

I am anxious to see if this medication works since I, too, suffer
from migraines, but my own doctor was not familiar with this drug.

			--Marlena
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Re: What are the symptoms of Epstein-Barr virus?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:30:20 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <7540089@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
>What are the symptoms of EBV?
>
>
>Actually, it's the other way around. A diagnosis of EBV is a sure sign
>that your MD is not current in his reading about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Not exactly. People still do get infectious mononucleosis, and
doctors still occasionally make this diagnosis correctly.

For those of you who missed it, there was an article recently in
Annals of Internal Medicine summarizing the results of a recent
NIH workshop on CFS. It is not overly technical:

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Research - Definition and Medical Outcome
Assessment. Annals of Internal Medicine:117:325-331. August 15, 1992.

 -km




Newsgroups: sci.med
From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: wisdom teeth removal
Organization: WP Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:04:06 GMT

From article <KPC.92Sep1172935@zog.arc.nasa.gov>, by kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c):
> does anybody have any wisdom to offer to a 27 year old who has to have
> all 4 wisdom teeth removed?
> 
> ideas, comments, warnings or bay area oral surgeon
> recommendations/disrecommendations would be great.
> 
> (it's actually a suggestion, by a dentist who noticed 3 cavities, to
> have all 4 teeth removed by an oral surgeon.)

Is there some compelling reason to remove the wisdom teeth, such
as gross overcrowding?

Has your dentist recommended extraction for any other teeth that
have cavities?

-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
From: Bob.Donovan@p0.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Donovan)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Chest/Rib Cage Pains
Date: 25 Aug 92 04:20:46 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/15.0 - St Joes Hospital, Phoenix AZ

I seem to have a problem that I hope someone can help me
with.  It seems unless you have insurance in this state most
hospitals would just as soon let you die in agony at the
front door before letting you in to see what the problem is.
Even at country where you can get in, they just prescribe
medication to cloak the pain and toss you back out without
even really checking out the problem.
 
So, maybe someone can help me on the computer without me
coming in to "waste space" in the hospital.  If so, I would
greatly appreciate it.
 
Nearly 3 years ago I began having upper chest pains that
shot across the top of my rib cage.  It made me nervous and
I went to a hospital (back in Massachusetts) who checked me
out and ran limited tests and told me it was stress.  It has
come and gone many times since this.  Now it is happening
again but this time I am getting VERY sharp pains in other
areas as well.
 
For example, Just below my left rib cage I get pains
regularly and a couple of times they have been so bad I have
been doubled up on the ground in terrible pain.  Now the
same is happening on the exact other side as well as
shooting across and being very sore in the center of my
chest.
 
My blood pressure seems to be fine, temperature seems fine,
no pain in arms, no nausea, no fainting, no shortness of
breath at any time.
 
I am 32 years old, about 185-195 lbs, I smoke 1-1/2 or so
packs a day, don't drink, don't do drugs.  I don't get
"lots" of sleep or eat 3 meals a day, but I do eat and get
sleep.  I used to be in construction and landscape
construction but had to stop due to a back injury a few
years back and, I must say, I don't get much exercise these
days.
 
Can anyone help me here.  It seems I had the curse of being
born an American and made the mistake of working and paying
taxes for quite a few years.  Now I find all that means is I
don't qualify for any State or Federal help to cover my
doctors bills.  All I want to know Is how serious is this
and for how long will I be in this kind of pain and being
afraid every night that I won't wake up ever again
 
Thanks,
 
Bob
 

 


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From: davecole@cie.uoregon.edu (Dave Cole)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Pesticides
Keywords: Pesticides
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:13:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Aug29.161327.13072
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

Hello,
  I am looking for information on pesticide poisoning.  Looking for data
on the effects to humans.  Any ideas where I can find such information
online here or elsewhere?
 
  Does anyonme have the number for the EPA "Integrated Risk Information
System"?  I would like to gather information on several items:
 
DEMON
ORTHENE
 
  If you can help please respond via E-MAIL.  
 
Thanks,
Dave
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: esafern@shearson.com (Eric Safern)
Subject: Exercise/Stretching/Muscle Soreness
Keywords: NY Times article
Reply-To: esafern@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:34:58 GMT

Hi,
	I read a year or two ago in the NY Times science section an article
on exercise.  

The article seemed to claim that stretching beforehand was not effective
at preventing injury, although it did improve performance.

This seems counter-intuitive.  Has there been any further study of this issue?

The article also said taking one kind of pain reliever to mitigate muscle
soreness was far prefferable to the other (Ibuprofen vs. Aspirin)  but I
don't recall which was which.

It claimed if you take the wrong one, the muscles will not regenerate 
quite as well.  Does anyone know anything about this?

						Thanks in advance...



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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Organization: Equator Technologies, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:46:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.141401.11022@apgea.army.mil> sjnaccar@apgea.army.mil (Susan J. Naccarato <sjnaccar>) writes:
>
>Would someone please tell me the side effects that can occur while
>taking this drug.  Seems to me it's being prescribed quite frequently.


Xanax is neither safe nor effective for other than short-term use
(short term, e.g.: you have to fly today and you have fear of flying).
It is physically addictive, and loses most of its antianxiety effect
after about 2 weeks use.

Nonetheless it's approved and heavily marketed, hence its popularity.

Check out the PDR writeup for some of the side effects.  Check out
Peter Breggin's book, "Toxic Psychiatry", for a discussion of how
the manufacturer suppressed results of tests longer than 10 days 
when going for FDA approval; and for suggestions about what to do
instead.

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Equator Technologies, Inc.                206-328-6544 voice/fax
Seattle, WA                               Read everything by Alice Miller.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: chris@kbsw1 (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Subject: Re: ACNE Treatment
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: chris@kbsw3.UUCP (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Organization: Kentek Information Systems

I've been on Erthromycin for about four years now. It seems to
work pretty well. I take .666 grams a day. The only side effect
I noticed was some diarhea the first month or so. It and the
prescription Benzol-peroxide cleanser have improved my skin a
lot. What side effects are you worried about?

Chris Kostanick
"if you don't like western medicine, try going without sometime"
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Empirical study  (was: Chinese Herb for Malaria)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:19:22 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <180f37INNffm@cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:

>interesting issue is one of *relative* merits.  We are still
>waiting for you to provide us an example (one) where Chinese
>medicine provides a better *understanding* of some disease,
>treatment, or phenomenon than does modern medicine.  
>
Even more, I'm still waiting for him to provide us with information
as to exactly how he empirically evaluates the results of his
treatment.  I suspect it does not involve any objective measurements
or controls.



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From: bjm@koko.csustan.edu (Barb Moose)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: chronic fatigue syndrome
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:00:59 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus


I would like information on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.  Does anyone know
of any user friendly articles or books I should look at?  Also, I thought
there was recently a posting for a newsgroup, but have been unable to
locate it -- anyone know of a newsgroup or other online info on cfs?

What are the specific dietary recommendations to reduce symptoms of cfs
if I do not want to go on steroid therapy?

Thank you!

Barb
bjm@ceti.csustan.edu
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: wisdom teeth removal
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:58:24 GMT
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In article <1992Sep2.165812.25685@unlv.edu> robert@unlv.edu (Robert Cray) writes:

>I had 3 impacted wisdom teeth removed [...]  I took nothing for the
>pain and rode my bike 7 miles to school that day (I was told not to drive).  
> 
to which mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu replies:

> Yikes!  Lucky you didn't fall off...

obviously the moral of this story is:
	everyone's story is different

so i'll add mine to the story-heap:

when i had 4 wisdom teeth removed about 15 years ago or so, under general anes.
(don't remember what kind), i went back to work at noon (but couldn't stay
awake), slept all afternoon on the cot in the little dark room for sick
employees, took my family out to eat for dinner that night (so i wouldn't have
to cook) & returned to work & school full time the next day.  mouth hurt LOTS
LESS than it had BEFORE the surgery (infected, impacted teeth), so i was a
happy camper, no pain med needed.

so, ya see, everybody's different.

my dentist told me once that he thought i was unusually resistant to discomfort
from pain, & that in his opinion that was basically genetic:  some folks and/or
families and/or gene pools are more sensitive than others

a challenge is for those of us who don't suffer a lot to remember that those
who do, REALLY DO; they aren't just being wimpy, they genuinely hurt more. 

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: crosson@cam.nist.gov (Robert Crosson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: gymnastics and growing up
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:30:03 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <16213@pitt.UUCP>, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
|> In article <24AUG199211532757@sigma.tamu.edu> h2n5451@sigma.tamu.edu (NOBOA, HOMERO L.) writes:
|> 
|> >My sister (she is a doctor) commented that gymnasts are small (what is 
|> >true) and she says that the jumps and landings damages growth plates
|> >on the ends of the long bones, making gymnastic athetes small.
|> >
|> >Does anybody knows if my sister's assertion is true or is just that 
|> >tall athletes cannot do in the bussisnes for several good reasons and 
|> >they (the tall ones) just quit, and the short ones remain to success?
|> >
|> 
|> Ask your sister if she has any evidence of this or if it is just
|> a hypothesis on her part.  I'm skeptical.

I've heard that smaller athletes succeed in gymnastics because they require
less muscle to move their bodies through the exercises and they can get higher
jumps and quicker rotation in their routines (what the judges like) because there
is less mass to move around.  In the last Olympics the favorite Russian woman
was considered unusual because she was taller than the other competitors.  Her
style of exercise was more graceful and less powerful than the others, and most
of the commentators I heard were sceptical of the judges' acceptance of her
performances.

It might be that practicing gymnastics at an early age stunts ones growth, but
it's always seemed to me that the larger athletes just dropped out when it became
obvious that they weren't able to compete.  I think I heard rumors at one time
that the Soviets and Romanians were using hormones to delay their girl athletes
from reaching puberty, with the accompanying weight gain and body development 
that entails.

Bob Crosson
crosson@cam.nist.gov
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c)
Subject: Re: Cops & Radar
Reply-To: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center AI Research Branch (Sterling).
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:54:58 GMT

there was a short writeup in science on low level electromagnetic
fields sometime in the past few weeks.  made me think it's worth
paying attention to news about it.
--
i'm open to comparing research career notes with other young cogsci people.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: s1159377@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T. Furnell.  FOOEY..)
Subject: Genetic Engineering,  info needed..
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:21:30 GMT


Hello all;

As part of a major group project for Science and Society,
our group has been given the task of researching,

	genetic engineering

Most of our group has very little knowledge in this area and
are wondering where we should start looking for information. 
(Naturally the local campus libraries will be researched.)

The main areas we are trying to cover are,

genetic engineering in		plants
				animals   &
				people

We feel that with a subject like genetic engineering there are many
issues that should be considered, and we are looking for information
along the following guidelines.

	effects on society
	moral dilemas
	history of genetics
	future potential
	genetic selection
	religious implications

We are hoping that we can gather alot of good text references, along
with peoples opinions and thought. Also we are looking for any advice
or points that people feel we should cover. ( A suggestion from a lecturer
was the plant copyright issue. )
 
As I stated most of our group has little knowledge in this area and we would 
welcome any comments.

If you feel you have an opinion that would be of value to us 
them please post a reply to me directly or to the group.

Thanks in advance.
FOOEY..
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|   Monash University College Gippsland.   |   cannot be taken from you  |
|   Churchill, Victoria, Australia.        |   by someone who wants      |
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