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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 12:11:44 CDT
From: Shyamala Parameswaran <U15297@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati: prevalence since the Abolition Act

I must add that Roop Kanwar's case in Deorala, in Sept. 1987
also got reported only as a small item. It was Manushi and
other women's organizations in Delhi that clamoured for
action. In the wake of such attention in the press and
protests, the Rajasthan government promulgated on Oct 1, 1987,
a Rajasthan Sati (Prevention) Ordinance with punishment
ranging from one to five years imprisonment and a fine of
Rs. 5000 to 20,000. Abtettors were subject to life-imprisonment
or a death sentence. Abetment was a given a wide definition
constituting several clauses. The ordinance also brought under
its purview any act leading leading to the glorification of
sati as punishable for a period of one to seven years and
fine raning from five to thirty thousand rupees.

The union government instituted a Commission of Sati (Prevention)
Act in 1987 for its own record. However, when it came to
answering the question -- would offering prayers at the temple/
structure/sthal of sati constitute a glorification of sati, the
supreme court bench wavered. And encouraged, the Dharma Raksha
Samiti at Deorala went ahead with anniversary celebrations.
4,000 people attented the first one, with more than half the
number being women.

Women's groups, since then, lobbied for a more comprehensive bill:
enumerating several social ills that plague women's lives.

Shyamala Parameswaran
From: armally@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Moslem Intolerance must be dealt with now.
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:29:17 GMT
Reply-To: armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <19AUG199215485946@vax2.concordia.ca> debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.215058.30541@ccad.uiowa.edu>, bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu 
>(Dinkar N. Bhat) writes...
>>........ (deleted) ......
>>In article <92226.103805DXA4@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXA4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>........ (deleted) ......
>
> Yes, I am extremely amazed and makes my blood boil too. However the IPSG
> group at Columbia University will now definitely keep quiet. These groups
> and others who preach secularism, egalitarian principles are to be looked
> down with utter contempt - as they are hypocrites. These groups (IPSG) do
> preach that Kashmir should be given away to Pakistan, and, they fight against
> the " injustice " towards religious minorities in India. But, contrastingly
> enough, nobody dares to raise a voice against these incidents. I am now
> absolutely sure that long back when King Cobra and myself were telling the
> same thing, I received death-threats from Moslem students (including Girish
> Bonde) and was booed down by our good-natured Hindu (????) friends. These
> people - the most notable being Sridharan Venkatraman and his ardent chamchas
> wrote against me to my system admin. I think that these people (IPSG) guys
> are pseudo-communists and are a menace to the society. Obfuscation is what
> they do best. I just cannot understand why we cannot be united to protest
> against the intolerance ? Is it a shameful act, or, a crime ? What is now
> holding us back ? Or, as according to IPSG members, am I abusive ???? I mean
> what is offensive and abusive ? What is the definition/ guideline ? Or as
> Paul Chemanoor indicates in his most stoicist fashion, " Stay Cool " and
> hence chill out ! What in the name of blazes is goin' on ? Spinelessness 
> of some morons - and adoption of a penitent posture before oppression from
> a fundamental religious group ?
>
> - deb chatterjee
>(a good samaritan)

_____________________________________________________________________________

Keep up the good work my support is with you.  I would like to voice my
displeasure against people with strong religious intolerance.  I was raised
in an environment to respect others religious philosophies and expect the
same in return and seems like that is slowly eroding when I hear instances
of fanatisim from a particular group. My schooling was in the Ramkrishna
Mission and in the USA attend the Vedanta Societys regular meetings....as
an example we have had renowned speakers talk about "Sufisim".  That is
what I call respecting others beliefs and in the process enriching your own
philosophy!!!!

Thanks Deb for your persistent approach for raising the overall awareness
of the problem.

So long!!

Arvind Mallya
 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:27895 soc.culture.pakistan:13574 soc.culture.bangladesh:4423
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Qu'ran
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:45:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YeWQmle00VogQC1UUQ
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

A few comments on the posting by Haroon Dogar:


>Surely this applies to non Islamic countries also, ie India should have
>laws based on Hinduism, USA should have laws based on Christianity, >etc?

The people of India are humans first and Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs
second. (At least, this is the basis on which we are trying to build the
nation. )

The laws of a country  should respect the social, political, religious and
economic rights of all the individuals (as for example, expounded in the
UN Charter of Human Rights), and should provide for full equality under
the law irrespective of gender, religion, ethnicity etc. etc.

From her medieaval past, and the British rule, India inherited a bunch
of laws that were (i) specific to the various religions and (ii) quite out of
touch with the above stated ideals.

The Hindu Personal Law has been greatly amended and is closer to the
above ideal. The Muslim Personal Law in India is still rather backward,
we are told, and hasn't even incorporated reforms that have been made
in countries like Egypt.  If you want to know what the Muslim Law in
India is: it is what it was in Pakistan in 1947, with no changes. 


>Suppose India declares that burying the dead is illegal since Hinduism
>requires cremating the dead. Should the Muslims of India obey?

Sorry, Hinduism doesn't require cremating the dead (even though it
is the preferred method of funeral.

More important, it would be unwarranted govt. interference to make
such a law.  Nobody, Hindu or Muslim should obey such a law.

Most of history and many nations have idiotic laws. That is no excuse
to do the same in India.

>Many people in India are demanding that there should be a uniform civil
>law in India and that many of the special privileges that are extended
>to Muslims because of their religion (like the liberty of having upto
>4 wives and also divorce laws based on the Koran) should be withdrawn.
>Do you agree with them?
>

Well, I agree that some of the uniform civil law demand is a form of
Muslim-bashing. Nevertheless,  there is a need for reforming the Muslim
Personal Law, at least get it in line with the most enlightened Muslim
nations.  A uniform civil code, just like a national language, is best left
to the inevitable process of evolution.

(Enlightened means: more in line with the UN Charter of Human Rights
for the purposes of this discussion.)


***
-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India successfully launches missile
From: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:18:10 GMT
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago

crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:

>e.g. India controlling Kashmir ...
>is everyone in your land empowered?...
>I guess there are no homeless/unemployed/sexually-abused children in India..
>Seems like someone already successfully launched a missile against India...
>You have all the prescience of a wandering buck in hunting season.  Think
>about what you write before you post, or else you'll be just another
>spike-buck trophy on my den wall.

Is little Ed being sensitive all of a sudden? 
Don't throw cheap shots if you can't take a few!

-----
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.Indian or Islam or Hinduism??
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:30:11 GMT
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

>
>LAW #1 FOR RELIGIOUS FANATIC :
>
>	(S)He must shout at the top of his(her) voice to prove that
>his faith is the best !
>
>
>Nilanjan
>
>
>
>
Oh!!!!!!
Isn't that what the advocate of any idea has done all the time.
Didn't Marx shout at the top of his voice "COMMUNISM is BEST"
Isn't it the LAW#1 for SECULAR FANATICS also
Arindam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: info : Where do these nuts come from ?!!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:31:58 GMT

godura@zeus.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura) writes:

>In article <92229.13170834RONON@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 34RONON@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>>hi !!!
>>i am interested in sending in mail to Bombay(INDIA), could anyone help.
>>
>>                                      dharmesh shah.
>  
>  Write a letter.
>  Put it in an envelope.
>  Stick a $ 0.50 stamp on it.
>  Drop it off at the nearest mail box.

>  No, P & T Dept. Bombay, doesn't have email.

>  Thanks for telling me Bombay is in India.

>  Luv,
>  Ruchir.

I think Mr. Shah meant to say E-Mail or express (courier) mail. It was
probably a slip. Let us not pounce on him. Mistakes can and do happen to
all of us. Regards! - Ganesh
>  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: guru@netcom.com (Muthukumar Arumugham)
Subject: Looking for ABHIJEET E DANIELS of Pune (last in Chicago)...
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 03:22:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Summary: He's an old pal came in 1986 -- dad is Ebinazer Daniels.
Followu-To: Prasad Khandkar guru@netcom.com


Hi everyone ,

  Abhijeet is from Pune (Vidya Bhavan High School in Model Colony),
and was in Fergusson College doing his B.Sc. when he quit in the 2nd
year and came to Chicago to do a B.S. --- the problem is he did not
join Univ of Chicago : i believe he was initially in some college in
Chicago -- i sadly lost touch sometime then...... (That was way back
in '87).

His dad (Ebinazer Daniels) came to Chicago Univ and was doing a 
research job (i forget the name of the specific institute) in physics.

IF this is some help, Abhi's brother Rahul Daniels also came to do 
his M.S (i do not even know which school) a couple of years back/
so if you happen to be out there or know any one of the Daniels family
please please .......call me / mail me 

     office - (818)810-7771
     res    - (818)854-0135
      
I am in West Covina (in L.A. county).

Thanks a million ---- Prasad. guru@netcom.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:27864 soc.culture.bangladesh:4418 soc.culture.pakistan:13567
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: We can all talk!!!!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

Boy, am I happy!!!!
All the misconceptions about Hinduism in Muslim minds
and Islam in Hindu minds are being discussed.
All the confusions about religion being personal/social
is being discussed
Despite Deb's attempts to prove that we cannot coexist
I think the overewhelming consensus is that we can coexist!
Hope this dialogue continues, I will be a passive spectator
now, as  cannot speak either for Hindus or Muslims though
I may know a bit about both.
Unfortunate thing is that some persons think discussing
movie songs is more important than discussing this issue
which is going to decide the future of the subcontinent
Love
Arindam
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@lambada.oit.unc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: First time poster questions
Date: 19 Aug 1992 11:02:15 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical
> In-Reply-To: <MANI.92Aug18171806@aix.Berkeley.EDU>
> References: <1992Aug18.173706.24072@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
> 
> In article <MANI.92Aug18171806@aix.Berkeley.EDU> MAni Varadarajan writes:
> >
> >Ravi Ramaswamy wrote in a previous article about MDR singing
> >elaborate niraval and swaram to Endaro Mahaanubaavulu.
> >
> >>      I was under the impression that one is "not supposed to" indulge in
> >>   improvs while singing Pancharatna krithis. Indeed, I have not heard anyone
> >
> >I've heard about the same "rule" too.  However, we should note
> >that MDR wasn't one to stick to tradition when it came to
> >things like this, and he seemed to be more interested in the
> >
> >>      As an aside, musicians seem to prefer Arabhi and Sree and occasionally
> >>   Natai. I cannot recall the last time Gowla or Varali was sung in a concert.
> >
> >I have heard of a recording by the Alathur Brothers which had a
> >rendering of the GouLa Kriti ("duDDuku gaLa"), but am I the
> >only one who thinks that the SrIrAgam and Arabhi ones are far
> >superior? I'm not particularly fond of GouLa itself as a raga;

Is GouLa a single raaga? Then what are Reeti GouLa and maayamaaLavaguLa (sp?)

I like Reeti GouLa a lot - one song that comes to my mind is
Nannu vidachi (sung by M Santhana when he was here in DC a couple
of years ago.) 

And I don't understand superiority as such. Could you explain?
(Please add some lay terms, if you could) Feel free to email if this is a
rehash.

> >Anyway, why do you think Tyagaraja chose these ragas in the
> >first place? Save VarALi, they aren't especially heavy ragas.
> >It would be interesting to surmise as to how these five ragas
> >got elevated to such a high stature

Yes ..?

One more question, which might belong in a different newsgroup:

In the song

 enakkum unakkum isainda poruttham (In atANa)

 what is correct: "vaLLAl unnai pAdap pAda vAi maNakkudE ...
                OR "paLLAl unnai pAdap pAda vAi maNakkudE ... ?

And, lastly:
Who wrote this and whom is it addressed to?

(A partial translation: What a match - between you and I
 when I sing (you or you using a song - depending on the words)
 about you a fragrance emanates from me (apologize for this atrocity)

Sthan.
> >Mani

PS. If it is vaLLAl - what does this mean? vaLLal (generous donor?)
From: avr@cs.purdue.EDU (Andrew V. Royappa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: voltage converters for running Indian appliances in U.S.
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:52:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


I wrote:
>>Hi there. We recently brought over an Indian food processor (Sumeet)
>>and are now trying to locate transformers/converters to allow us to
>>run this appliance here. It is a 400W appliance, runs on 230V/50Hz AC.
>>Electricity here in the U.S. is 110V/60Hz. 
>>
>>I have been able to locate transformers that step up 110V to 220V (they
>>cost about $60-$70). However, I'm not sure if this is enough, and am not 

He wrote
>
>Buy a new (i.e. american) food processor. It may be cheaper you know ...
>Glad that I can help !!
>
>-Sandip

Actually I'm sure more than one person is wondering why on earth
someone would bring an Indian appliance. As it turns out, I have
investigated food processors (already own two American ones) and I
don't think there is anything available in the US that can match the
variety of grinding capabilities, OR the overall *quality* of the
Sumeet, especially for Indian cooking purposes such as wet grinding.
Surprising... but it appears that a variety of high-quality appliances
are appearing in India these days.

So I wanted to buy a Sumeet anyway, but as it turned out I got it 
as a gift -- so I don't mind buying a transformer.

I hope in a few months I will be able to report enough happy
experiences with it that others will be tempted to buy them, also.
I'm sure India can use the cash...

					Andrew Royappa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aantur@na.novell.com (Anand Antur)
Subject: Help - F1 Visa
Reply-To: aantur@na.novell.com (Anand Antur)
Organization: Novell, Inc., San Jose, Ca
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:02:08 GMT

This posting is for a friend of mine. I apologize if this question was
asked before.

Has anybody been successful in obtaining a multiple-entry F1 in Canada
or Mexico. My friend had come here on a tourist visa, and then converted
it to an F1, so it may be risky to get it in India.

Responses will greatly appreciated.

Thank You

Anand K. Antur
aantur@novell.com
From: vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: On the Birth of Andhra Pradesh
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:33:19 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

	Quoting myself:

In article <1992Aug20.183712.9600@uoft02.utoledo.edu>,
vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

> 	Methinks you are in error here; it must be 1st *November* 1953.

	I am afraid I have shown myself to be very ignorant about the early
	days of formation of AP. Thanks a lot to Sreenivasa Rao, Gopal and
	Sudhakar (via Email) for correcting me.

	As a request to others who are contributing this debate, please note
	that at our site there is no soc.culture.indian.telugu as yet, so
	please crosspost those articles on SCI too. Anyone who wants to
	follow up to my articles on this thread from soc.culture.tamil, (which
	were originally crossposted there) and are interested in my responses, 
	I request them to crosspost to SCI too, as I don't subscribe to SCT,
	nor do I want to. Thanks.

	Now, let us get on with this (quite interesting) debate.
        
	Siva Prasad.				vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
From: nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Curious observation.
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:58:17 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Aug20.170122.23707@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.163722.23378@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> nsridhar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Natarajan Sridhar) writes:
>
>>A pibroch is a musical theme for the bagpipes, Mr. Mozart.
>>I would be very curious to know how one would wear this, especially
>>under a kilt :-)
>
>I suggest you read Wodehouse on the subject. Sorry that the allusion
>passed you by. ;-)

As I'm sure it did many of the others who haven't had the occasion to
revise their PGW's. 

Susan thinks the allusion is from 'Leave it to Psmith'. Somebody please shed a
few moonbeams on this subject.

Now, my curiosity is, as they say, piqued ....

>
>George
>

**sridhar**

PS: I wish people would make their references less obscure so that other
people don't look like chumps trying to explain the nature of celtic music
to the former....
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RELIGIONS
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:26:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug10.150755@daffy.mc.ti.com>, a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com 
(savithri) writes...
>....... (deleted) ...... 
>savithri
>

 While I think that you are absolutely correct, many people DO NOT. The most
 surprising thing is that these people are educated, and, that's what makes
 them most dangerous. They are deceptive, cunning and play around with their
 Western logic, using it to suit their ulterior motives, to obfuscate and to
 create the Smoke of Commotion, and,  at the same time always hiding behind
 their exalted western degrees. Logic, the true weapon of mankind, conferred
 upon us by the philosophers from the ancient Greek times, have always by these
 crafty people, who have put their burden upon the common layman - and have
 preached the puritan rules of emancipation. Such is the origin of misery. 

 - regards,

   deb chatterjee
 (a good samaritan)
From: sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Khalistan and GOP
Date: 19 Aug 1992 13:49:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

In article <71Mb03uW62Sv00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> trip@uts.amdahl.com (Tripatinder Chowdhry) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.125424.1@vax1.umkc.edu> vkuttikattu@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>>(orange turban) delegate waving a poster which said 
>>" khalistanies support Republican Party" .Does this mean that GOP 
>>supports sikh militants . 
>
>No, to make things a bit explainable consider the following
>analogy.
>
>	if "A" supports "B", then the only logical inference that can be had is
>	"B" may or may not support "A".
>So putting things back in prespective, it cannot be known if Republican
>Party does or doesnot support Khalistan movement.
>

[stuff deleted]

From the general bahavior of the GOP it would appear that this
party supports Khalistan more than the Democrats. The Republicans
have a few right-wingers (e.g. Jesse Helms) who have openly stated
their support for Khalistan. The Democrats cannot boast that.
At least I cannot recall any Democrat expressing support for
Khalistan. 

		


				-------  Satwindar Singh Sadhal
From: s9205@gte.com (Rohit Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Air India had good service
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:54:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Distribution: soc
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

<RENJEN.92Aug17112812@puffin.nimbus.com> writes :

>I have flown Air India numerous times on the Pacific route ie Tokyo to Bombay and 
>was very happy with the service. I am an Indian too. Sometimes we Indians
>just expect too much out of Air India. Have you ever seen the service on 
>the american carriers on the Pacific route? It is bad.

I agree whole-heartedly. The service I have always got on Air India is good. I think some Indians who travel on Air-India think that just by buying a ticket, they have done the country and the airline a big favor .. and expect nothing short of waiting hand-and-foot by the air-hostesses. Of course, they are rudely awakened. This leads to them telling others how bad the service on Air Inida is. Also, the same people when travelling on other airlines are so quiet and submissive that anything offerred to them 




by the "Gori" air-hostess (however insignificant) is a sign of excellent service by that airline. I speak from what I have observed.

- Rohit Gupta