HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: RAID 7 Systems Now in Poland
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:57:53 EST

Regarding John Scoggin's request for information on RAID systems for
VINES, Storage Computer of Nashua, N.H. is currently showing its new high
performance RAID 7 disk array platforms at the September International VINES
User Meeting.  SCSI-based, they work equally well with NetWare, workstations,
IBM systems, VAXes, etc.  I found out that Storage Computer has just opened
up its new European headquarters in Frankfurt.  The telephone there is
(49) 6917-2145.  The FAX is (49) 6917-2149.  They are handling their Polish
operations out of Frankfurt at the moment, so it is not necessary to
call Storage Computer headquarters in the U.S.

Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and
overcomes performance limitations of earlier RAID architectures, providing
a  "real world sustained application performance improvement of 200% to
400%" and dropping the cost of storage to 16 cents/MB.  Their brochures
say they can "mix and match" up to 48 SCSI commodity (3.5 or 5.25 inch)
drives, up to 150 GB.  The RAID 7 disk array platforms come with an embedded
operating system and up to 12 SCSI-2 based host interfaces.  Besides servers,
Storage Computer's RAID 7 disk array platforms can connect to workstations
and midrange systems in addition to IBM's.  Multiple CPUs can be attached to
same disk array platform.

The RAID 7 platforms come with up to 256 MB of cache, eliminating any
reason for using performance-damaging CPU main memory disk RAM.  The
drives are "hot plugable" for uninterrupted, transparent operation,
with a hot standby drive automatically replacing a failed drive.

There was a lot of activity this week at the Storage Computer RAID 7 booth
at the Boston Banyan show as I walked by.  They were demoing what happens if
a drive goes down, showing the backup drive taking over.

For further information on Storage Computer's RAID 7 for any system, their
key US contact is indicated to be John O'Brien, Director of Technical
Services at Tel. 603-880-3005 or FAX 603-889-7232.  John is the original

"guru" of the RAID 7 advances, and a well-known RAID industry figure.

Cheers! ------- Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: wlodek@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de (Wlodzimierz Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Antypolonizm (Re: Violent antisemitism?)
Organization: Bez nienawisci.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:35:48 GMT
Summary: Kto mistrzem tolerancji ?

pindor@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Andrzej Pindor) writes:

>Panie Damianie, niech sie _Pan_ obudzi! Czy Pan w ogole czyta gazety i jakie?
>Slyszal Pan o: Chorawcji, Serbii i Bosni-Hercegowinie? A o Irlandii Polnocnej?
>A o Baskach? A tym, ze cos sie tam ostatnio dzialo w b. NRD? A o Armenii i
>Azberejdzanie, Gruzinach i Osetyncach? A cos o ciekawych wydarzeniach w Los 
>Angeles? itp, itd. A moze Pan nam przyslal te poczte z Ksiezyca? 
>
>Natomiast faktycznie uwazam, ze aby zbudowac demokratyczne, tolerancyjne
>panstwo Polacy musza spojrzec w oczy swojej nietolerancyjnej przeszlosci.
>Zdanie sobie sprawy z mechanizmow nitolerancji gdzie indziej moze byc
>rowniez b. pomocne w zapobieganiu tej popularnej chorobie u siebie.
>Andrzej Pindor

W pelni podzielam wezwanie do edukacji spoleczenstwa. Nauka historii
i zasad dobrego wychowania odbywa sie w cywilizowanych spoleczenstwach
konca XX wieku glownie w szkolach. Nie inaczej jest w Polsce.  Ale 
mlodziez przejmuje rowniez od starszego pokolenia dobre i zle nawyki
czy uprzedzenia. Jezeli wiec znajdzie sie taki ktos jak p. Damian, ktoremu
udalo sie (mam nadzieje) przejac wylacznie dobre doswiadczenia i nie ma
on uprzedzen narodowosciowych charakteryzujacych starsze osoby, to
przeciez mamy juz mistrza tolerancji. Jemu taka dyskusja o dawnych 
problemach jest juz zbedna. Po co wiec wciagac go w "bagienko" ?

Obok wlasnej nietolerancji nalezy chyba rowniez uczyc sie ku przestrodze
na nietolerancji innych narodow. Tym bardziej, ze mamy nawet w obecnych
czasach tyle wojen i otwarcie demonstrowanej nienawisci. Tylko gdzie jest
ten mistrz tolerancji ? Czy jest nim narod zydowski?

W.Kasprzak
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: What the Poles could have done
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:38:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct1.130046.4396@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>I'd say not only embarrassment, but shame, as well.  After all, the Jews,
>with the few weapons they had, lasted longer in Warsaw than did the whole
>Polish army a few years earlier.
>
>Feh.
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton


Are you just simply mean, totally ignorant or plain stupid?
--

Krzysztof Kniaz, University of Pennsylvania |Due to circumstances beyond
Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter |your control, you're master of 
Philadelphia, PA, 19104, USA                |your fate and captain of your soul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,rec.sport.soccer
From: rjromanc@sun1.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Romanczyk)
Subject: need userid
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:50:52 GMT

Sorry for the public broadcast of this message, but I see no other route.

Micha~l Szleper from Warszawa - What is your userid, address?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Bogurodzica (The Mother of God)  ca. 1407
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:59:39 GMT


Greetings,

I was hoping that someone out there could help me. I am searching for
the music and words to Bogurodzica (The Mother of God). I am told that
it is a Polish war hymn from about 1407. I have a poor photocopy of the
doccument from "Outline History Poland", but nothing more. 

Can anyone help!


Andrew Smith
amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Sprawy gospodarcze - prywatny i panstwowy
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:49:52 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech

Henryk Modzelewski pisze:

>>Hanna Suchocka
>>==============
>Istnieje pewna zasadnicza roznica miedzy byciem czlonkiem parlamentu a
>czlonkiem rzadu. Tak wiec Suchocka nie byla czlonkem komunistycznego rzadu.
>Jesli chodzi o bycie czlonkiem komunistycznego parlamentu to zasiadalo w nim
>troche wiecej znanych dzisiaj osobistosci, chociazby Mazowiecki.
>Suchocka dala sie poznac raczej ze swojej opozycyjnej postawy w parlamencie.

Owszem, byly inne partie w parlamentcie w roku 1978, kiedy Suczkowska tam
grasowala.  Ale te partie byly tylko i wylacznie dla idiotow dosc potwornie
glupich rzeby wiezyli ze jest demokracja prawdziwa w Polsce.  Te partie
to byly recznie (przez SB) wybrani ludzie, ktozy wiadomo bylo ze nie
wstana w parlamentcie i nie powiedza "Precz z komuna!!!".  Oni byli 
INSTRUMENTAMI KOMUNISTYCZNEJ KRADZIERZY.  Sluzyli rzadowi w ten sposob
ze glupi komunisci i socjalisci w Elropie i Stanach Zjednoczonych mogli
mowic "Popatz, przecierz jest demokracja w Polsce".            

>>Janusz Lewandowski
>>==================
>Dlaczego, Jacku, nie przytaczasz komentarzy szefow zachodnich firm, ktore za
>bezcen kupowaly polskie zaklady i byly dlogoterminowo zwalniane z placenia
>podatkow dochodowych. Sam stwierdzasz, ze Lewandowski sprzedawal firmy zarowno
>zachodnim jak i komunistycznym oferentom. Po co wiec ten akcent na komunizm.
>Moze nie o komunizm tu chodzi, ale o grube lapowki lub o zwykla nieudolnosc,
>czy niekompetencje. I nie tylko Lewandowskiego ale i jego urzednikow.

Napewno daleko mozna zajsc dzisiaj w Polsce.  Mozna robic interesy z wszelkimi
firmami Zachodnimi, i Polskimi.  Jesli tolerujesz stara komune i ich 
kradziez.  Gdyby sie kategorycznie ogladnelo Lewandowskiego dziela, to
napewno za kazda firma sprywatyzowana przez zachodnie firmy, znajdzie
sie kilka dyrektorow, ktorzy albo dostali do lapy z gory, albo sie umuwili
na specialne pozycje w nowych firmach, lub akcje, albo powiedzieli, wezcie
firme, nic nie jest warta, mnie zostawcie tylko szpital, nieruchomosci, 
lub dom wczasowy, itd.  


Poza tym, ktos jeszcze sugerowal ze ja pracuje dla CIA.  Gdybm pracowal
dla CIA, to napewno bym wspolpracowal i popieral tutejszy rzad w Polsce,
a nie byl nim przeciwnikiem.  Moglbym wtedy podejsc do jakiegos lepka
w Polnocnej Korei, lub Kuby, i dowodzic mu ze moze popuscic z ta komuna,
i nic mu sie nie stanie.  Nawet sie zbogaci, i ludzie beda jego lubic
i popierac.   Nawet bedzie bohaterem, w swojej zkradzionej willi.  I zona
moze dalej trzymac swoja bizuterie.  LUDZIE SA GLUPTASY.  Popatz na Polske!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: stefan@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Stefan Mochnacki)
Subject: Re: Oplata za Studia: SONDAZ
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:26:53 GMT

 lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha) writes:
> 
> ...
> Zawsze mi sie wydawalo ze darmowa opieka lekarska i edukacja
> to jedne (jedyne ?) z najlepszych rzeczy w komunie.
> ...       

Stefan Michalowski responds:

> In my (now distant) recollection, one of the best things about
> "communal" life was that you could buy reserved seats in
> advance at movie theatres. Can't think of much else, though...

Well, both these people describe precisely what New Zealand was like
in the 50's and 60's. Compared with the world today, it WAS a social
democratic paradise ... I moved to Canada in '71, and it was OK too.

Now for the first time in my life I have to seriously plan for the
kids' tuition and for medical insurance (at least when visiting the
US; but our system is going to fall apart soon enough too if we keep
on (1) electing Conservatives, and (2) running up huge deficits )

			----------------
Reading "Donosy" every day, I am at least a bit encouraged that the
present government of Poland will survive and produce sensible results,
that at least a form of social democracy will exist  in Poland rather than a
Thatcherite version of Ireland. I wish I could say the same about Canada
and the US ...

				- Stefan Mochnacki


-- 
Stefan W. Mochnacki          INTERNET - stefan@centaur.astro.utoronto.ca
Astronomy, U. of Toronto     UUCP - {uunet,pyramid}!utai!helios.physics!stefan
Ph. (416) 884-9562           BITNET - mochnacki@utorphys.bitnet 
FAX (416) 884-2672	     LOCATION - David Dunlap Observatory
From: dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Data on antisemitism in Poland (1938)
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:24:24 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>In article <1992Sep22.082217.20930@walter.cray.com> aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep21.174540.9854@cs.UAlberta.CA> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:

>>>[...]

>>>In the last municipal election in Warsaw (Dec. 18, 1938), two parties with
>>>an openly antisemitic platform participated:
>>>SN (=ND) got 11 seats, ONR 4 seats.

>>>For comparison, OZON (government party) 39 seats, PPS (socialists,
>>>militantly anti-antisemitic) 27 seats.

>>>Several Jewish candidates were also elected, but I have no numbers.

>>I have those numbers. At the beginning of WWII there were 20 Jewish
>>seats in Warsaw and 17 Jewish seats in Lodz. Because during election
>>in 1938 percentage of Jewish population was roughly 8 %, doesn't
>>look bad - it means that probably several Christians voted for Jews.

>Careful -- is that 8% city-wide (unlikely, since it's 2 separate
>cases) or national?  What were the percentages in Warsaw and Lodz?

This 85 is a red herring. Thhe Jewish population of Warsaw was around 30%.

>Also, were elections district-by-district, or at-large?

Yes, they were.

>Of course some Gentiles voted for Jews; and vice versa, too.  The 
>sad thing is how many voted for Jew-haters -- sad all around Europe
>in those days, e.g., Germany, Austria, France.

Before WW2 the notion of superior/inferior races was commonly accepted, by
the majority of most nations. Starting with the British (historically,
maybe even with the Jews--the chosen ones). Everybody thought they were
better than their neighbours. It is silly from today's perspective. But
people then did not have the privilege of hindsight.
To give an analogy: the Thirty Years War was fought with a cruelty that we
find unbelievable. Yet, it was normal and acceptable stuff then.

>>I do not know if Jews voted for Christians, if so, probably not so
>>many.

This is meaningless. People voted for party lists, so that what is called
above "Jewish seats" refers to Jewish parties (mainly Bund, Aguda?)
and not to Jews elected. Jews elected from the PPS list would not be
included in the "Jewish seats" list.

>No way of knowing without knowing the election structure.  If it was
>party-based, then the question is meaningless unless there were 
>specific Jeiwsh or Christian parties.

It was party-based, but the attitude of each party with respect to Jews
was a very big factor (you should remember that to Poles, antisemites were
the "nationalists" and usually were just as anti-... as they were
antisemitic). 
>Roger

W. Dobosiewicz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: michalj@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Jankowski)
Subject: Re: Suchocka
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:10:06 GMT

>>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:55:10 GMT, stoer@hal.nta.no (Stoer
>>>>> Mechthild FNT) said:

Stoer> Czy ktos moze mi powiedziec,
Stoer> co Hanna Suchocka robila w Sejmie w PRL?

Przepisane z Donosow:

Hanna Suchocka

jest specjalistka w dziedzinie prawa konstytucyjnego, ma 46 lat.  Od
1980 r. nalezy do 'Solidarnosci'. W tym samym roku byla wybrana do
Sejmu PRL z ramienia Stronnictwa Demokratycznego. Za glosowanie
przeciwko zatwierdzeniu wprowadzenia stanu wojennego zawieszona w 1982
r. w prawach czlonka SD, w 1984 r. wystapila ze Stronnictwa. W 1989 r.
wybrana poslem z listy 'Solidarnosci'. W 1991 r. ponownie wybrana do
Sejmu, tym razem z listy UD. Byla w gronie poslow, ktorzy zlozyli w
Sejmie projekt ustawy antyaborcyjnej.

   Michal J.
From: s1137020@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mariusz Prokopczyk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Sprawy gospodarcze - prywatny i panstwowy
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:22:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: monu6.1992Sep27.122218.11880
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia

In article <1992Sep25.183216.14745@dxcern.cern.ch> michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper) writes:
>jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski) pisze:
>
>>Here is a who's who of Polish politics.
>> (...)
>
>Brawo!!!  Dawno sie tak nie usmialem.  Prawde mowiac, przed rozpoczeciem
>czytania nie spojrzalem na rubryke 'From:', ale juz po paru akapitach
>pomyslalem sobie "Hej, czy to przypadkiem nie pan Tuszynski dal znac
>o sobie??  No jasne!!!!"   :-D
>
>|    Michal~ Szleper             |    "All you need is love, love,  |

Co prawda smiech to zdrowie, ale nie powiedziales nam
dlaczego sie usmiales! Tak Ci sie artykul podobal? :-)
No powiedz! Ja tez bym sie chetnie posmial! :-)

Mariusz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com (Paul Weaver)
Subject: looking for someone in Wroclaw, Poland
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 18:19:47 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina
Keywords: Wroclaw

About 10 years ago, our family was contacted by a man in Poland who was related	
to us on my grandfather's side of the family. My grandmother wrote to him a couple
of times, but we have since lost touch with him. At the time (1983), he said that
he was 35 years old, and a professor at Wroclaw University. Is anyone aware of a
way that I could use to locate him? His name is Dr. Richard Wasniowski.


Paul J. Weaver
pjweaver@ralvm29.vnet.ibm.com
From: witold@godel.msri.org (Witold Biedrzycki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:38:00 GMT
Organization: Mathematical Sciences Research Institute, Berkeley
Reply-To: witold@godel.msri.org (Witold Biedrzycki)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.188.59

In article <1992Sep29.143506.13629@walter.cray.com> aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep29.162737.25504@galois.mit.edu> lenivch@minkowski.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Sep28.160512.14104@sarah.albany.edu> pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
>>
>>>  If you think about the assimilation as a participation in economical
>>>life of the country there were NO FORMAL obstacles for Jews in pre-IIWW
>>>Poland.  Again, you were free to chose your buisness partners
>>>and for both sides it was often seen as a discrimination (for example
>>>in Warsaw's stock market German was spoken until 1923).
>>
>>
>>Not quite. Numerus clausus was a formal obstacle (after all, one cannot
>>practice law without having a law degree). Also, at one point the
>>kosher butchers were close to being licensed out of existence.
>
>I do not understand how possibly it can happen anywhere. If somebody
>is a kosher butcher and is licensed as a butcher, how can he be
>licensed out ? Should state license kosher butchers separately ?
>That is above and beyond my imagination.

I remember reading about this in "From that place and time" by 
Lucy Dawidowicz (she's fair in the sense that she sticks to the facts,
even though she is hardly a friend of Poland; this is a wonderful
book to read for anyone interested in pre-war Wilno/Vilnius).
The government of Slawoj-Skladkowski submitted a bill in 1938,
which would regulate animal slaughter, with the purpose of making
it more humane; apparently this would amount to autlawing kosher 
slaughter. After protests, a provision was added, allowing for a very 
limited number licenses to be issued for kosher butchers. I don't remember
how the affair ended, probably war pushed it off the priorities list.

By the way, Poland is not in a bad company in this respect. I read 
in 1989 in New York Times about Swedish government's attempt
to ban kosher slaughter, apparently to protect the animal rights.
Well, as far as animal rights are concerned, I am pro-choice...

Polish readers might be interested in having a look at 
Slawoj-Skladkowski's memoirs. The leave no doubt about his
being unfit for the office (remember "slawojka" ?)

Witold Biedrzycki

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Danzig
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:57:05 GMT

One of the highlights of the book "The Tin Drum" is the tragicomic
scene of the battle over the central post-office (or somehting
like that) in Danzig.

The battle doesn't seem to be between Germans and Poles, but between
two rival Polish forces. What exactly happened there? I would be
gratefull for a short explanation.

-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: English teaching in Poland?
Summary: Help wanted for English-teaching job in Poland.
Keywords: teach, English, Poland
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:54:21 GMT

I am a South African graduate with a bachelor's degree in English and an
MA in philosophy who is interested in teaching in Poland in 1993.  I
have a TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) diploma as well as
experience in teaching English to 2nd-language learners in South Africa
and ideally, this is the kind of teaching I would like to do.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to go about trying to
arrange such a job - either before I leave South Africa or on my arrival
in Poland.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail address at
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thank you very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: lenivch@minkowski.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:27:37 GMT
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA


In article <1992Sep28.160512.14104@sarah.albany.edu> pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:

>  If you think about the assimilation as a participation in economical
>life of the country there were NO FORMAL obstacles for Jews in pre-IIWW
>Poland.  Again, you were free to chose your buisness partners
>and for both sides it was often seen as a discrimination (for example
>in Warsaw's stock market German was spoken until 1923).


Not quite. Numerus clausus was a formal obstacle (after all, one cannot
practice law without having a law degree). Also, at one point the
kosher butchers were close to being licensed out of existence.
Perhaps someone might have data on government contracts, but I wouldn't
be surprised if Gentile businesses were favored (incidentally, this wouldn't
be that different from the practices of some US city governments, or
the government of Quebec - not that I approfe of eiither).

Witold Biedrzycki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: s1137020@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mariusz Prokopczyk)
Subject: Re: Sprawy gospodarcze - prywatny i panstwowy
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:15:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.163153.2537@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.164445.16471@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski) writes:
>>Here is a who's who of Polish politics.
>>
>> [...] crap deleted
>
> Our zealot spoke again.

Just those two sentences make the rest of your article a simple garbage
to me. I have impression that you are trying just to tease him.
Interestingly nobody reacted when Jack used "suczkowska" name for our
premier, but react at once when he simply states his views.

> [...]

> Have fun,
> Lech Borkowski

I really would have, if it would come at the right time.
But again, these are only my views.
Sorry I did not laugh this time. :-)

Mariusz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: stoer@hal.nta.no (Stoer Mechthild FNT)
Subject: Suchocka
Followup-To: <1992Sep25.164445.16471@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:55:10 GMT

Czy ktos moze mi powiedziec,
co Hanna Suchocka robila w Sejmie w PRL?
Czy ona byla w Partii, jak to Jack Tuszynski sugeruje?

Matylda
Mechthild.Stoer@nta.no
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Data on antisemitism in Poland (1938)
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.082217.20930@walter.cray.com> aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:

>In article <1992Sep21.174540.9854@cs.UAlberta.CA> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:

>>A number of people asked for a quantitative measure of the popularity of
>>antisemitism in prewar Poland. They were not answered, as nobody has an
>>answer.

>>But I found some numbers that may be of interest (feel free to ignore
>>them, otherwise).

>>In the last municipal election in Warsaw (Dec. 18, 1938), two parties with
>>an openly antisemitic platform participated:
>>SN (=ND) got 11 seats, ONR 4 seats.

>>For comparison, OZON (government party) 39 seats, PPS (socialists,
>>militantly anit-antisemitic) 27 seats.

>>Several Jewish candidates were also elected, but I have no numbers.

>I have those numbers. At the beginning of WWII there were 20 Jewish
>seats in Warsaw and 17 Jewish seats in Lodz. Because during election
>in 1938 percentage of Jewish population was roughly 8 %, doesn't
>look bad - it means that probably several Christians voted for Jews.

Careful -- is that 8% city-wide (unlikely, since it's 2 separate
cases) or national?  What were the percentages in Warsaw and Lodz?

Also, were elections district-by-district, or at-large?

Of course some Gentiles voted for Jews; and vice versa, too.  The 
sad thing is how many voted for Jew-haters -- sad all around Europe
in those days, e.g., Germany, Austria, France.

>I do not know if Jews voted for Christians, if so, probably not so
>many.

No way of knowing without knowing the election structure.  If it was
party-based, then the question is meaningless unless there were 
specific Jeiwsh or Christian parties.

Roger

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