HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bartlone@zeke.gemedical (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Bonsai
Reply-To: bartlone@zeke.gemedical
Organization: GE Medical Systems
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:46:51 GMT

In article 3034@aio.jsc.nasa.gov, kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov (TED KELL) writes:
> > 
> > 
> That sounds like a good idea.  How does one go about displaying these files.
> Can anyone give particulars about where to get s/w and how to use it?
> 
> Tnx
> 
> Ted  kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov
> 
> 


Were I to attempt to sound like a net-god (like you'd find in most other news 
groups) I'd tell you to read alt.binaries.pictures.tools or something like that.
But I'm not so I won't. What you need to do, is get a copy of a uuencode package
for the machine you are running on. This takes your binary file and encodes it
such that all of the characters are ASCII printable characters. Thenbreak it into
pieces of about 1000 lines each. (This is necessary because many mailers/news 
posters/mailreaders/news-readers can't handle files longer than this). Then
post each of these. Make sure each of the files you post has a file number
ID in the title so we know how to put it back together. Sorry, but I do not
know where to get software for your machine!
                                                               Mike

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bartlone@last.med.ge.com | 'Think tree...
In your mind, make picture..now open eyes..
make like picture...' paraphrased from
                    'The Karate Kid'


Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: d92adali@IDA.LiU.SE (Adam (Beowulf) Lidvik)
Subject: Re: blue spruce
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:59:38 GMT


>   I have actually put on very tiny Christmas tree lights during 
>   past holiday seasons for an interesting effect.  :-)

That is the true usage of bonsai trees!!
More lights in our trees !!!
--
THE MIGHTY TINGELING.            Expressen och Aftonbladet r skit.
----------------------------
Small tingeling tingelinging
amongst other tingelings
create a tingeling damn tingeling
loud tingelingtingelining.
From: samuell@cis.uab.edu ('s)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: ASCII art compositions of bonsai
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:33:54 GMT
Organization: CIS, Univ of Alabama at Birmingham

In article <1992Nov20.150450.918@alex.com> dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.122222.27207@cs.nott.ac.uk>, cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole) writes:
>|> 
>|> I like the sig!!!
>|> 
>
>I am glad someone likes it - when I use it on any of the other local news 
>groups most people think its a boat!   :-)
>Dave 
>
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                     (          *#%*           )  Alex Technologies Ltd.
>     David Quinn      )       *##*\##         (   CP House,
>    dave@alex.com    (      *###*_/-*##*       )  97-107 Uxbridge Road,
>                      )     _____/______      (   Ealing,London W5 5TL
>_____________________(______\----------/_______)________________________

Which brings up the subject of ASCII art, of which David's .sig piece is 
a miniature but well-done example.  Has anyone seen or composed any larger 
renderings of bonsai in ASCII art?


--
Bobb Samuell


===%-}*       Read me, write me, give me ideas!        samuell@cis.uab.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Launcelot Gobbo=)
Subject: Is my Bonsai Dead.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:10:13 GMT

I went away for a week, forgetting to water my poor little Holly tree,
now the leaves are brittle and seem to be quite dead, is it true that
the tree is unsalvageable?  Is there any thing I can do to save the
tree, or is it gone forever?  Would it be possible to germinate a
sprout tree from it's remains?


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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Michel Bartolone)
Subject: HELLLLP!!!!!!! (Missing articles)
Followup-To: alt.bonsai
Reply-To: "bartlone@gemed.ge.com"
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:51:45 GMT


Well, I just got back from a really wonderful (NOT!) two day
(seemed like 2 month) class. I've just found out that I appear 
to be missing 10 articles. Is any one else out there collecting
the alt.bonsai posts? I'm missing all articles from message ID
<MAPPLER.92Nov12165955@titan.ucc.umass.edu> where Matthew
Appler explains about having experimented with two 'mature'
trees and wants some info on the seed starter kits, to
<74302@apple.apple.COM> where Hud tells Matthew that IHHO
Matthew should just go down to the local nursery and spend
$10.00...any one have ALL of the ones I missed? Any one know
of some method for me to run an auto collection script so
I can 'miss a few days?' and not really miss them? (A cron
job accessable script for a Sun 3 running sun 3.5 OS, or
for a SPARCipc running 4.1.1...) that can access an nntp
server?
                                        Mike

--
bartlone@last.med.ge.com | 'Think tree...
In your mind, make picture..now open eyes..
make like picture...' paraphrased from
                    'The Karate Kid'

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Reji Martin)
Subject: Re: Is my Bonsai Dead.
Summary: Checking for dead trees
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:58:53 GMT



> Article 398 (6 more) in alt.bonsai:
> From: cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Launcelot Gobbo=)
> Subject: Is my Bonsai Dead.
        
> away for a week, forgetting to water my poor litle Holly tree
> the tree is unsalvageable?  Is there any thing I can do to save the
                         

	First, are all the leaves gone?  Can you still see some
	green beneath the bark on the branches? These are indicators
	of continuing growth! If this green is there my suggestion
	is to put a plastic bag over it, sort a mini-greenhouse, then
	put it the full sun keeping the soil moist and see if that
	will recover it.

	The Holly (Ilex) generally likes it semi-shaded but a humid
	warm soil. As well it likes the soil to be well soaked then
	allowed to dry out.

	Hopefully you will be able to save the tree . . . IF that is
	your problem in the first place. 


     The      O
     Wheel   /-
     Brat   ( )\_	varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca

     Reji Martin,   Prince Edward Island, Canada
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J Farley Norman)
Subject: pomegranite
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:51:44 GMT

Hi Folks,

  I just got Ohio State to add alt.bonsai to our feed
so now I can drop in from time to time.

  I just recently started bonsai as a hobby and
since I have a Japanese fiancee, have been to
Japan and seen some beautiful potted trees and
bought some bonsai tools.

  In some of my books, they have nice pictures
of pomegranite trees.  Some books say that one
can take seeds from pomegranites, limes, etc
other fruits in your grocery store and sow them.

  Yesterday, I bought a pomegranite.  Any hints
from anyone who's tried this ?

            Farley Norman
            fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: HELP! Brown Juniper...
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:11:23 GMT
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

In article 721855272@sfu.ca, tuckera@fraser.sfu.ca (Christopher Tucker) writes:
>  Hello, I'm new to this newsgroup and would like some help.  I have a 
> Shimpaku Juniper and it seems to be continuously half brown/dead.  Could
> someone please e-mail me some good directions for proper bonsai care?
> Watering, feeding, light, etc.  I must be doing something wrong.
>  


Chris,  ( you are likely to get several responses ) Shimpaku should NOT be brown.

...a number of things could be contributing to the ill-health of your tree:

	- if you've kept it ouside, good!  they are not indoor trees...
		(some special winter care may be needed in extreme climates)

	- too much water (causing root rot)
	- not enough water
	- improper feed/fertilizer (again, too much, too little... wrong mixture)
 
	- it could be improper pH of the soil (this prevents the plant from absorbing
		the necessary minerals and nutrients)
	
	- it's doubtful that it's lighting (better in sun than shade, but either works)
	- it's doubtful it's temperature (it'll stand cold, and even frost, or HOT sun)

At the rate it is going brown (from your mail) I would suggest no more experimenting with
possible solutions..take it to the nearest Bonsai nursery/store/class, and ask for help.

If you wait too long, help will not be possible.

Good luck!  (most of us have lost a few ... or killed a few...)

Tk
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: Glazed Pots
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@gate.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:35:56 +0000

In article <1992Nov18.174454.17982@newscan.canada.sun.com>, beric@sunvcr.canada.sun.com (Beric Maass [Sun Vancouver SPS]) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone have any experiences they'd like to share regarding glazed pots?  Specifically, will there be a problem if the pot is glazed on the INSIDE??
|> 
|> Thanks -
|> 
|>   --beric
|> 


I seem to remember saying something on this point a while back, but was only
passing on things which I have read in my Bonsai books. Namely that pots
should not be glazed on the inside as it makes it hard for the tree to
get a grip on the pot. Trees grow better when they are stable so would suffer
as a result.

If anyone has any evidence/experience to the contrary I for one would be very 
interested.


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     David Quinn      )       *##*\##         (   CP House,
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                      )     _____/______      (   Ealing,London W5 5TL
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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: pomegranite
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:23:15 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: questor.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov19.135144.12142@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J Farley Norman) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>....
>  Yesterday, I bought a pomegranite.  Any hints
>from anyone who's tried this ?
>
>            Farley Norman
>            fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

A week or so ago I bought a pomegranite.  I cut it up and put 5 or 6
seeds in a 6" pot of prepared soil.  I keep it watered and it's on the
floor by a full-length window (indoors).  I'll post if anything
happens as I'm a week or two ahead of you when you try it.

Last winter I got a few of these real cute miniture pears at the
supermarket. I forgot to eat them and they got mushy.  I planted a
number of seeds from these.  They sprouted two to four weeks later in
late winter (indoors).  The've grown through one spring, summer and
fall.  I have five trees of heights 5", 6", 7", 12" and 18".  I just
started the first initial cut-backs on these.  I also wired the tall
one into sort of a double 's' shape.  I'm going to winter them outside
now as they are likely a temperate variety.

The thing about modern produce is that a lot of the varieties are
hydrids or possible produced by grafting.  Thus, my miniture-pear pear
seeds might not yield miniture-pear, pear trees.  You can't be sure
unless you research the variety.  Pomegranites will likely breed true
though as they are a very old fruit dating back to ancient Greece.

I also bought a couple limes.  I thought I'd plant the seeds of these
also.  Cut one open, no seeds!  I have to try the other one.  I know
I've gotten limes with seeds, just not a lot.  It seems there are
never more than two or three per lime.  Hopefully the next one won't
be zero.
-- 
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     (Sig down for repairs.  Please stayed tuned for new, improved sig.)
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Sod the proles!")
Subject: my poor ming aralia
Reply-To: tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:18:04 GMT

i have a relatively large (18-20"?) ming aralia in a plastic pot (NOT my
idea) which was fine for most of the summer but which has recently started
dropping a LOT of leaves. Most of the top branches are gone. What I want to
know is, is this root rot? If so, is it safe to prune the root ball / repot it
in an unglazed pot at this time of year? If I just prune off the top branches,
will it be OK? The rest of the foliage still seems pretty thick. 

I can't seem to strike a balance between too dry and soggy soil with this
plant. (I'm always inclined to blame a plastic pot, but it may just be I
haven't got its "rhythm" yet.) Any advice?

Judith Tabron

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@zeke.gemedical (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Bonsai
Reply-To: bartlone@zeke.gemedical
Organization: GE Medical Systems
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:27:49 GMT

In article 10594@gssec.bt.co.uk, dhamilto@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Hamilton) writes:
> Does anyone have any .GIF or .JPG format pictures of Bonsai trees.
> 
> (Sorry if you've got this before but I've been having trouble
> getting my news items distributed).
> 
> Thanks (hopefully),
> 
> -- 
> David Hamilton                         Email:  dhamilton@gssec.bt.co.uk
> BT, Glasgow Engineering Centre,        Phone:  +44 41 553 2116
> 229 George Street, Glasgow, UK G1 1BZ


I second that motion..if you have a really nice .gif, or .jpg of your favorite 
tree, post it! I don't think the traffic will be that high. If you DON'T have
a .gif, or .jpg of one of your tree's, take a pic and ask some one nice to scan it
for you. I would think it could make a really nice 'wall paper', background etc..


---
bartlone@last.med.ge.com | 'Think tree...
In your mind, make picture..now open eyes..
make like picture...' paraphrased from
                    'The Karate Kid'


Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Reji Martin)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Bonsai
Followup-To: Method of uuencoding.
Summary: Digitized photos, uuencode, Pine mailer
Keywords: digitized photos of trees
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:34:10 GMT



	With regard to the uuencoding of files for transferring
	with mail. There is another method of transferring files
	but both sites must be using the 'PINE' mailer. This is 
	menu driven mail handler which also handles attachments
	as ASCII files whether they are ASCII or not! 

	As for getting digitized photos of some classic trees . . .
	well I am soon going to be one of those new types of employees!
	My employer is in the process of setting me up to work 
	out of home . . . that means they supply all the equipment
	I need to produce. What  will doing is creating Video Graphics
	for their Instructional, Public Relations and Training Videos.

	Besides the Amiga/VideoToaster system they will getting me
	a Full colour scanner from which I will, of course, have
	to practice! What better way to practice than to develop
	some images of my favourite trees. 

	Is it expected that all images be UUencoded and dropped into
	the Alt.bonsai slot?

	Where ever . . . expect to see some images as soon as the 
	equipment arrives. Probably within the next two weeks!


     The      O
     Wheel   /-
     Brat   ( )\_	varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca

     Reji Martin,   Prince Edward Island, Canada
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:16:10 CST
From:         Jerry Pelikan <C05705GP@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: pomegranite
Newsgroups:   alt.bonsai

>In article <1992Nov19.135144.12142@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J Farley Norman) says:
>
>  In some of my books, they have nice pictures
>of pomegranite trees.  Some books say that one
>can take seeds from pomegranites, limes, etc
>other fruits in your grocery store and sow them.
>
>  Yesterday, I bought a pomegranite.  Any hints
>from anyone who's tried this ?
>
>            Farley Norman
>            fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
I've never tried pomegranites, but I have a lemon two grapefruit and
three avacodo trees started from store bought fruit.  I also have a
miniature orange tree started from a fruit off of my step-mother's
tree.

Jerry  c05705gp@wuvmd.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Subject: blue spruce
Organization: /usr/users/user4/mappler/.organization
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:09:07 GMT

A friend of mine wants to know if it is possible to have a blue spruce
bonsai....  Has anyone everydone this or know if this is possible?

  Matt
--
Matthew Appler - University of Massachusetts, Amherst
-----
You can only be young once, but you can always be immature.
-----
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov (TED KELL)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Bonsai
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Flight Center - Clear Lake City, TX, USA
Date: 19 NOV 92 08:19:09    

In article <1992Nov18.162749.6766@mr.med.ge.com>, bartlone@zeke.gemedical (Mike Bartolone 5-4266) writes...
>In article 10594@gssec.bt.co.uk, dhamilto@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Hamilton) writes:
>> Does anyone have any .GIF or .JPG format pictures of Bonsai trees.
>> 
>> (Sorry if you've got this before but I've been having trouble
>> getting my news items distributed).
>> 
>> Thanks (hopefully),
>> 
>> -- 
>> David Hamilton                         Email:  dhamilton@gssec.bt.co.uk
>> BT, Glasgow Engineering Centre,        Phone:  +44 41 553 2116
>> 229 George Street, Glasgow, UK G1 1BZ
> 
> 
>I second that motion..if you have a really nice .gif, or .jpg of your favorite 
>tree, post it! I don't think the traffic will be that high. If you DON'T have
>a .gif, or .jpg of one of your tree's, take a pic and ask some one nice to scan it
>for you. I would think it could make a really nice 'wall paper', background etc..
> 
> 
>---
>bartlone@last.med.ge.com | 'Think tree...
>In your mind, make picture..now open eyes..
>make like picture...' paraphrased from
>                    'The Karate Kid'
> 
> 
That sounds like a good idea.  How does one go about displaying these files.
Can anyone give particulars about where to get s/w and how to use it?

Tnx

Ted  kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov
From: LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: anti-coagulant
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:46:21 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

If i took a very strong anti-coagulent drug
would someone please trim me in the fashion
of an exquisite bonsi? Please?
                              the succubus
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: Glazed Pots
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@gate.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:04:50 +0000

In article <1992Nov20.122222.27207@cs.nott.ac.uk>, cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole) writes:
|> 
|> I like the sig!!!
|> 

I am glad someone likes it - when I use it on any of the other local news 
groups most people think its a boat!   :-)
Dave 

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From: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Glazed Pots
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:22:22 GMT
Reply-To: cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Nov19.103556.21410@alex.com>, dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.174454.17982@newscan.canada.sun.com>, beric@sunvcr.canada.sun.com (Beric Maass [Sun Vancouver SPS]) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Does anyone have any experiences they'd like to share regarding glazed pots?
|>
|> I seem to remember saying something on this point a while back, but was only
|> passing on things which I have read in my Bonsai books. Namely that pots
|> should not be glazed on the inside as it makes it hard for the tree to
|> get a grip on the pot. Trees grow better when they are stable so would suffer
|> as a result.
|> 
|> If anyone has any evidence/experience to the contrary I for one would be very 
|> interested.

    I was taught that the problem with glazing pots is that it affects the pots ability to withstand 
frost (re. cracking) - this might just be a consideration for the outside of the pot though - my 
memory's having a sabbatical on this one....
    ... I'm not sure about whether or not an internally glazed pot affects a trees stability, but surely
glazing the pot will hinder any porous quality of the material - but is porousness (?) a particularly
desirable feature of a pot?

|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>                      (          *#%*           )  Alex Technologies Ltd.
|>      David Quinn      )       *##*\##         (   CP House,
|>     dave@alex.com    (      *###*_/-*##*       )  97-107 Uxbridge Road,
|>                       )     _____/______      (   Ealing,London W5 5TL
|> _____________________(______\----------/_______)________________________

I like the sig!!!

Cheers,
          Marlon
------------
Marlon Cole                  email:  cczcole@unicorn.nott.ac.uk or
Systems Programmer                   cczcole@uk.ac.nott.unicorn depending.....
Cripps Computing Centre
University of Nottingham
NOTTINGHAM. NG7 2RD
From: ja@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: blue spruce
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:07:19 -0500

In article <MAPPLER.92Nov16200907@titan.ucc.umass.edu>, mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler) writes:
> A friend of mine wants to know if it is possible to have a blue spruce
> bonsai....  Has anyone everydone this or know if this is possible?
> 
Yes, it can be done.  Not an easy tree though.  From my landscaping and bonsai
(one spruce for 2 years) is that they don't take pruning and pinching well. 
They can also be finicky about soil moisture and pH.  I could only get mine
healthy for short periods; it finally died when I left it under a friends care
for 3 months :-(

The blue and native New England green spruces are the toughest.  Don't even
think about a Norweigian spruce, those things die when you just think about
pruning.  Someone will probably post their great success with spruces and all
my experience was just a bad case of black thumb.

bye............ John            ja@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: My bonsai is dying
Keywords: dead dying bonsai
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:52:21 +0000

In article <wstuartj.721759091@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu>, wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:
|> 
|> What can I do the help keep this bonsai from dying completely?  
|> Is it natural for the tree to "drop" this time of year?
|> 

That all depends. What sort of tree is it?????
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai