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From: south@wam.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Dating....
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:54:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.010039.19907@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>
>First, I wonder what the definition of "dating" is.  If it means having
>dinner together or something more profound than that...
>
>Anyway, do you care to elaborate?  What should a carrier of Korean gene do
>in order to live up to those British gentlemen?

	Is it just me that makes me think James is perverted?
	Or am I perverted?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: leejuney@acf9.nyu.edu (June-Yub LEE)
Subject: hcode upgrade : suggestion ?
Keywords: hcode KSC hangul code
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:14:32 GMT


The following list of codes will be supported
by the next release of "hcode2.0" in addition
to KSC5601-1987, ISO-2022-KR, Sambo, and N-byte.
Any comments and suggestions are welcomed.

1. KSC5601 + 8byte combination method
-------------------------------------
As you might have heard already, I will upgrade my "hcode" to
reflect of the result of the recent discussion on hangul code.
I will support KSC5601 with 8byte combination method.

2. ISO-2022-KR:SDN code
-----------------------
Also I will help Uhhyung Choi's effort to support Hangul chars
in "Mail headers field" using RFC 822 with "s" option in hcode.
So that $HOME/.forward "| hcode -sk #your_mail_box"
do the converting of incoming mail for you.

3. Hangul romanization code
---------------------------
Next release of hcode will fully understand (not just
printout but also read ) the standard romanization code
agreed by N and S Korea. I think it should be a possible
solution to use Hangul in News Net.

I think I will support both old style and new style of
romanization code if there is no ambiguity. For example,
G,D,B,J (old style)  and  CH,KH,TH,PH (standard) are okay
but K,T,P and C (means G,D,B,J in old style) make me confused.
It's possible to make hcode to be context sensitive but it's
too much so I will follow the standard.

Here is something I would like to hear from you.
------------------------------------------------
Definitely I need a syllable boundary since there is no
distinction between Cho.Seong and Jong.Seong in romanization.
for example {kakkka} is {kak.kka} or {kakk.ka} where k=ki.yeonk

One choice is  using "." between characters in a word like this:
        {Han.Keul} Code{Leul} = {han.keul} Code{leul}
Or I can use upper case for ChoSeong and lower case for JongSeong.
Well, this is more efficient in space but you can't write separate
Jamos without SO/SI sequence.
        {HanKeul} Code{Leul} and {K}{A} instead of {K.a}
Your choice?

Also what's the best choices for SO/SI?
Since ^N/^O is not allowed for News Net I will use
"{", and "}" and original { will be converted to {{.
Is it looks okay?

Thanks for your attention for hcode.
June-Yub Lee at Courant Institute of New York Univ.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: hey this is America (was Re: korean guys...)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:16:37 GMT

In article <98634@netnews.upenn.edu>, hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>    And speaking of espressos, has anyone tried making them from
> boricha?  It takes the bitterness away, just like the egg shells or
> salt used by cafes and restaurants.  A stong espresso shall make you
> feel wiser, stronger, and more optimistic!
> 
> Hyunsuk Seung 

Stop it, stop it!
Espresso that is not bitter?  Is that like having a sex without a butt after?
Or is it like an appli pie without the ice cream?  Come on, Hyunsuk, it's
that bitterness you grow accustomed to and learn to enjoy in espresso.  I 
couldn't agree with you more on your last suggestions though.  If you had
real espresso you may even find yourself a bit more energetic!

Somewhat puzzled,
Henry

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Soojaebi (was Re: My life as a Bulgogi)
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.204849.28540@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.182850.25155@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov23.164159.22680@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>>>Make sure that recipes you guys exchange are fat-free :)
>>
>>But, why?  Maybe you have a "skewed" mind?  :)
>>
>>>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
>>
>>James Choi
>
>Birds of feather are we not ? :)
>
>I hope at least some of the people reading this would laugh....
>
Not until James does some creative editing.  :)

And don't mention any edible stuff here lest Seung-hyun jumps in with his
musings on, say, yuk-gye-jang or sam-gye-tang.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Subject: food
Keywords: food
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:56:15 GMT

For me, as may have been apparent from my previous posting, Korean
food is food, just like any other food, and so it's no big deal to
me if it's not available.  If I can't find soo-jae-bi, then I'll
make do with potato gnocci, can't find bul-go-gi, I'll eat barbecue,
and so on.  Basically, eat what the locals eat.

When living in South America, I found interesting the sometimes
heroic efforts Korean residents there went to to recreate "the
taste of the homeland."  Admittedly, Koreans are not the only ones
who hanker in this way, note all those American tourists hanging
out at McDonald's no matter where in the world they are, but to
my youthful eyes it seemed odd that these Koreans were trying to
make dishes for which the ingredients simply were not available
locally.  In the process, they also seemed to be ignoring the
pleasures available in the local cuisine (this could be another
thread, actually: "The Ugly Korean").


yong-mi
ok, so I sometimes desperately miss Japanese udong noodles




Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:44:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.170146.3734@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.034445.15601@syacus.acus.oz.au> woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong) writes:
>>Kim-il-sung wasn't talking nonsense when he accused the South Korean army
>>of being the remnants of Japanese imperialist army. .....Sigh.
>
>Any reason why Kim's appearance is so much highlighted with 2 dashes?   I
>mean, who asked Kim's shitty opinion; Kim the butcher is the least person 
>deserving any credit for historical correctness among Korean people.  Save
>sigh for later time.
>
	Yes!  Of course!  That's the whole point.  Why are there those
dashes and hyphens in one's name?  Woong-Ki, oops, I mean, Woong
Ki must have had some ulterior motive for putting TWO (count 'em, two)
dashes rather than the traditional one dash between one's first name.
Well, this is intolerable.  Putting two dashes are obviously some kind
of communist plot to overtake the world, just like fluoride in your
drinking water.  I propose that we arrest Woong-ki and make him spell
his name Chong-Woong-ki, then make him erase all the first dashes!
That's will teach him to sympathize with those two-dash-ing, hyphen-
mongering, color-red-favoring commie pigs.  


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: (Why I do not want to be in) Re: Service in Korea
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:52:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.143905.24333@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.043717.18575@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>>In any case, why should serving in the
>>army be more honorable than anything else?
>
>No.  Fulling one's duty is against one's interest or will is honorable.

	This one I'll give it to you.

>sElf sacrifice for bigger cause is honorable.

	This one I don't.  As I've been pointing out, I don't find
military service to be a "bigger cause" anymore.  The times have changed,
the causes have changed, and I can hear Bob Dylan singing in the background.

>
>James Choi


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: haedoo@gagme.chi.il.us (Haedoo Choi)
Subject: Some info on job for army program is much appreciated.
Originator: haedoo@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:33:18 GMT

Dear Netters,

I am hoping to get some information about the job for army program in
korea so called "bang we san up che".  I am getting out of school with
masters in computer science from DePaul University in March and my time is up
to go to the army.  Specifically, if anyone has info on how to get a job
through ban we san up che, what kind of qualifications are necessary and
what companies are in the list of that program especially in telecommunication
and networking, any advice and info would very much appreciated.

Haedoo Choi
email :  haedoo@gagme.chi.il.us
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hts1@quads.uchicago.edu (Thomas H. Song)
Subject: Re: Who are they?-Bruce Cumings, and Jim McCauley.
Reply-To: hts1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:03:34 GMT

Bruce Cumings is a U of Chicago professor in the History dept.  His wife,
Jung-en Woo wrote "Race to the Swift", a book on the economic development
of Korea.  She is a professor at Northwestern U. in the Political Science
dept.  You can find them both at N.U. now since Cumings is a visiting prof 
for the quarter.



























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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Bi-Bim-Bab Blue
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:23:01 GMT

In article <98296@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.143639.1517@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>> ...
>> No she's, folks, the girls were in another classroom, very much like
>> the Forbidden City.  Our trade agreement worked just fine.  Couple of guys
>> tried to break the agreement, but they were jerks anyway, and they got
>> transferred to another school.  (Not because of banchan stealing, mind you!)
>
>Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life.  Or so they say, but
>please spare me your "trade agreement" business, because I didn't
>write "Bibimbab Blue" begging for your sympathy!  It brings me tears
>in my eyes to find how a fellow human being could manage to call his
>or her poor little classmate, who had broken the agreement out of
>hunger no doubt, as "jerks" without giving a second thought as to how
>morally offending such remarks could be, and I don't mean my dick is
>bigger than yours, mind you, although you may see that I feel strongly
>in ranks with their decision to transfer out of your so called
>"Forbidden City" classroom, which, in fact, is filled with nothing but
>tasteless bibelots of neo-bourgeois consumerism.
>   By the way, you forgot your smashed smiley, and please excuse my
>caffeine-filled temper.  I am normally a quiet person in your dream.

	In WHOSE dream???  My dream?  I didn't know you were Elle
MacPherson!  :)  (Tempting, should I get more perverse or should I let
James Choi have his way...)  BTW, those guys who got transferred out,
they were really jerks, or in Korean, ggang-pae.  And as far as your
dick is concerned, *ahem*, this is a family newsgroup after all, so I'll
refrain from my comments.  :)  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: <Why I was in army) Re: Service in Korea
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:58:28 GMT

In article <Nov.19.17.18.39.1992.12999@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
> [ about long history of Korea being invaded by others, and the importance of
    strong military power in this world especially against N.Korea ]

Not that I am replying directly to the above post(I believe there were many
similar arguments), I was just reminded of the following:
Except for those soldiers who are at DMZ area and other national borderlines 
(a.k.a "Jeon-Bang"), how many of the Korean soldiers and how much of their
time are spent on defending our country?  I thought military lives were 
collective exploitation of labor given that soldiers are not well-paid and
by the nature of the army, doing anything the higher authority tells to do.
Even because this labor is not efficient (obvious), everythings are going on
for the sake of its existence.  * no offense to people who went to army inten-
ded. * !maybe some offense to "the" higher authority intended! 


-- 
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 A self-countering N-tuple is called an equilibrium point
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean War
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.181826.6354@wam.umd.edu> south@wam.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.053822.8772@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>>I would give more weight to the role of the navy than the air power
>
>	When I mean in the air, I mean in the air not the Air Force.

	And when I mean the navy, I mean the ships and the marines.  And
when I mean the air power, I mean exactly the same thing you meant, the 
planes.
>
>	Somehow, U.S. Navy has been pretty strong in the air; check out
>	the roll of U.S. Navy during V. War.

	Yes, and that's because the Air Force has to fly out of its bases
whereas the navy flyers can fly off the carriers.  The role of the Air Force
is mostly bombing, therefore.>

>	Also, the fact that U.S. can bombard the land of Japan played
>	great roll, probably more than the bombardment itself; and yes,
>	there were the aircraft carriers to carry the bomber, which
>	was the most wanted target of Kamikaze.

	Oops, you must have made a silly mistake here.  Carriers don't
carry bombers.  Bombers fly out of nearby air force bases. 

>>Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan, there are so many nooks and crannies for
>>the enemy to hide.  
>
>	But not the zillions of army from PRC.

	It would work, if the zillions of army from China were concentrated
in one spot.  But they weren't.  The US did bomb the mountains of Korea
until there were no trees left standing (literally) but the Chinese and
North Korean army managed to hide.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Subject: Re: My dear chungkookchang...
Reply-To: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:21:40 GMT

In article <97452@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:

>Do not believe in miracles--rely on them.  Or so they say, but please
>spare me your smog business, because I didn't mean "atmosphere" in a
>literal sense.  By "panic-free atmosphere" I was hoping to refer to
>the freedom of being able to enjoy delicious Korean food, such as
>chungkookchang, any time of the day without constantly tormented by
>fear of provoking suspicions from others who may not share the
>appreciation of fine aroma that lingers afterwards.
>   To appetize without fear is the leitmotif of my life.
>
>Hyunsuk Seung
>hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu

	Oh no... this is a full blown-up case. Now I am almost postive
because he is cleary stating his symptom: to appetize without fear.
Also he is talking about "panic-free atmosphere" again.  But I am
somewhat relieved that his hasn't changed his chungkookchang to
bibimbob yet.  I hope to find him before that happens.
	Again, please let me know if you see him.  How would you
recognize him?  I think you know by now.
	Thanks for your cooperation.
From: bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin D. Lukoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Yonsei University
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:53:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sf3yJLa00iUyE2nEtw
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Can anyone tell me if Yonsei is connected to the Internet, and, if it
is, what its address is? I've already tried 'yonsei.kr' and
'yonsei.edu.kr' but to no avail. Thanks. Can you please e-mail your
answers to me, as I don't check these bulletin boards *at all*..to
either bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu or to lukoff@u.washington.edu. Thanks!

Ben Lukoff
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 00:45:24 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <KDGTBY0J@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
>Again, a "correct me if I'm wrong:" Don't you get minority consideration in
>applying for jobs?

	I'm not really sure that Korean-American is considered as
	minority - I might be wrong but someone told me that
	Minority benefit on Government Contract does not include
	Korean-American but Black, Latin-American, ... and then
	WOMAN (can you believe this?); and I've heard that some people
	gets FEMALE PARTNER to utilize this benefit as I heard.

	If the above is true, I guess there's a minimum number required
	to be minority ethnic group legally.
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From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: My life as a Bulgogi (Re: korean guys...)
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:40:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <AYDTBJ11@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.200059.15997@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
> > Over the
> > summer, I lived with two other guys (one Jewish and one Caucasian) and they
> > didn't know how to cook.  
> ...
>
> Stephen (a Jew who even knows how to cook pulgogi...)
> 
> P.S. If you all really want an outsider's observations on this topic, I can
> give them in a future
> post.

As a striving vegitarian, bulgogi is my sole obstacle.  The art of
seasoning before the sacred cooking of bulgogi is a delicate one.  The
mastery of flipping them is deeper than one may think.  And a good
bulgogi can suddenly attract all the dogs in the neighborhood.
    Please share your observation of fine bulgogi now!  Never put off
writing, what you can do today.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.162449.28918@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>
>It is interesting to hear a woman's point of view about Korean guys being slightly chauvinistic because I know a lot of Korean guys who is very chauvinistic and I am one of them. I don't want to explain why but I just am. I guess having been in Korea last year to see that men eat at separate table when there's a get together and woman does all the cooking and cleaning may have lead me to believe that men are treated that way since they were young. May I ask about how you were treated when you were yo
>
>
>pecially about who does the cooking and cleaning, your Mother or Father ? If both share the responsibility then you are probably lucky because I have seen that most Korean families show thier kids the old fashion way of raising a family where the Mother does the cooking and the Father goes to work. Although I am seeing more and more families where both Mother and Father work and yet the mother still does the cooking.
>
>Anyways, I hope I've been of some help :) 

	You'd be more help if you entered a carriage return after each line.
Your posting was a little garbled on my end, but from what I can read, I
sympathize with you.  My family is also very traditional, but I'm not.  My
mom does all the cooking and does the dishes.  I don't think my dad even
touched any cooking utensils since he graduated from college.  On the other
hand, I do all the cooking and cleaning up here in the States.  Over the
summer, I lived with two other guys (one Jewish and one Caucasian) and they
didn't know how to cook.  So I cooked for them and sometimes did the dishes
because one of them didn't really know how to do the dishes.  Now that the
dinings open, I don't have to cook, but I still do the dishes in my
apartment.  (I'm also going to make a nice turkey over Thanksgiving.  Anyone
interested in coming over and sharing the turkey, you are invited.  :)  )

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Curch
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:53:07 GMT

In article <98716@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>
>Don't forget the delicious and abundant meals the housewives serve
>after the prayer!  I was always dazzled by the rich flavor of sticky
>rice they manage to make in those HUGE rice cookers.  As they all
>say...  preparedness makes doing easy!
>
>Hyunsuk Seung

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone..." :) 

There are pretty good Korean restaurants in Philadelphia, Penn.
Although they might be bit on the expensive side as compared to
ones in Chicago or New York... but, you can always wash dishes. :)

Andrew
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