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From: ellen@mail.boi.hp.com (Ellen Osinski)
Subject: Re: Edmund Fitzgerald
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:44:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Does anyone have the notes and guitar chords to "The Wreck of the Edmund
Fitzgerald"?

Thanks in advance.
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   /            Matthew - spouse, best friend, partner
  /             Jasmine - ruler of the roost           (female cockatiel)
 /              Cody    - mouse huntress extraordinaire(female pound kitty)
/               Blue    - electric puppy on springs    (male German Shorthaired
                                  \                     Pointer pound puppy)
                Amber   - trusty steed                 (Quarter Horse mare)
                Warrior - go anywhere steed            (Appaloosa gelding)
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Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:13:09 -0500 
From: Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Whitefish Bay (WAS: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?)

Excerpts from 15-Nov-92 Re: surfing in Lake Superior? by Paul Botts

> In article <blah> cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Me) writes:
>
>>Hey, I was wondering if somewhere I might be able to find the
>>lyrics to "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".  It is my understanding
>>that it contains a line about Whitefish Bay (My hometown!)
>  
> Well, it does, but I'm pretty sure it refers to Whitefish Bay, the bay,
> not Whitefish Bay, the town. The ship was only 15 minutes from the
> safety of the bay when it went down.

Maybe I'm a little tunnel-visioned, but what's the difference?  Is not
Whitefish Bay (the town) sitting on Whitefish Bay (the bay?).  I mean,
obviously the ship wasn't headed for a dock or anything, but to me
Whitefish Bay is Whitefish Bay.  Bay or Town=Tomaeto or Tomahto.

Anyone have the lyrics?

Chris.

                                                 __
                                                / / /  _  * _
                                               /___/)_/(_(_/_)_____
                                            Christopher Ryan Stengel
                                                stengel@cmu.edu
                                           Carnegie Mellon University
                                                 (412) 268-8372

Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard)
Subject: Re: Porcupine Mtns
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:43:19 GMT

Asides from my 45 mile hike this July on the Lake Superior Trail, with
a side trip or two to a few of the falls and Lake of the Clouds via
the Escarpment Trail:

The up side:
Unsurpassed scenery along both trail systems. Tremendous Park Staff. Tons
of Wildlife. An easy drive from well-stocked grocery stores. Solitude in
abundance.

The flip side:
Poorly maintained trails. The few flat spots suitable for pitching a tent
lack adequate drainage or padding. Muddy trails. Slippery ascents. Heavy
clouds of bugs between June 1 and August 1. Most trails slog through long
stretches of marsh with rotted out planking serving as bridges.

Summary:
Not a good place to introduce a newbie to serious hiking.
Experienced hikers who are prepared to deal with water, cold, difficult
footing, Northwoods biting insects, should run to their nearest library
and get the Park Headquarters Address for information. This is a really
unique place, and shouldn't be missed. Be prepared to spend at least three
days there- nearly all of the sights worth seeing will take some time on
foot to reach.
--
Coffee Facts from Dr. Science:
1) You can never brew coffee too strong.
2) You can never drink too much coffee.
3) Coffee does not make you nervous.  Your own inadequacies do that.
   Coffee merely increases your perception of your own inadequacies.
4) Tea is to coffee as ginger ale is to Scotch.
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Whitefish Bay (WAS: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?)
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:36:56 GMT

In article <Uf1qMZW00WBLA0vmFw@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from 15-Nov-92 Re: surfing in Lake Superior? by Paul Botts

>> In article <blah> cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Me) writes:

>>>Hey, I was wondering if somewhere I might be able to find the
>>>lyrics to "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".  It is my understanding
>>>that it contains a line about Whitefish Bay (My hometown!)

>> Well, it does, but I'm pretty sure it refers to Whitefish Bay, the bay,
>> not Whitefish Bay, the town. The ship was only 15 minutes from the
>> safety of the bay when it went down.

>Maybe I'm a little tunnel-visioned, but what's the difference?  Is not
>Whitefish Bay (the town) sitting on Whitefish Bay (the bay?).  I mean,
>obviously the ship wasn't headed for a dock or anything, but to me
>Whitefish Bay is Whitefish Bay.  Bay or Town=Tomaeto or Tomahto.

The only town called Whitefish Bay I know of is a Milwaukee
suburb.  This is nowhere near where the Fitzgerald sank (L.
Michigan and L. Superior being different lakes).  I looked on a
michigan map, and there doesn't appear to be a town of that name
on the Michigan side of the bay (over in Ontario, maybe?)--just
Whitefish Point and Paradise.

>Anyone have the lyrics?

Someone posted the lyrics a year or so ago, so someone (else?)
-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard)
Subject: Re: Nice winter cabin?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:43:15 GMT

sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux) writes:


>I and my significant other have been going to the U.P. in the summer-time
>for several years, now.  Of course, we love the place!

>This WINTER, we want to rent a cozy little cabin somewhere up there.  Does
>anyone have any suggestions who we can contact about a cabin having as many
>of the following as possible?:

The State of Michigan rents the very thing you are looking for- any state
park ought to be able to supply you with the required forms. There are
several VERY quiet cabins along Lake Superior in Porcupine Mnts State Park.
--
Coffee Facts from Dr. Science:
1) You can never brew coffee too strong.
2) You can never drink too much coffee.
3) Coffee does not make you nervous.  Your own inadequacies do that.
   Coffee merely increases your perception of your own inadequacies.
4) Tea is to coffee as ginger ale is to Scotch.
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Snow and Ice
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:35:34 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1e5iqhINNlm4@armory.centerline.com>, trr@centerline.com (Terry R.
Rasmussen) writes:
>
>Studded snow tires have been illegal in Wisconsin and Michigan, since the
early 
>'70's.
How about chains?  I can't remember if they are also illegal, or if it is just
that no one uses them except up north.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: sdebroux@iastate.edu (S.S. DeBroux)
Subject: Nice winter cabin?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:06:24 GMT


I and my significant other have been going to the U.P. in the summer-time
for several years, now.  Of course, we love the place!

This WINTER, we want to rent a cozy little cabin somewhere up there.  Does
anyone have any suggestions who we can contact about a cabin having as many
of the following as possible?:

	1)  Coziness (whatever THAT means)
	2)  Scenery
	3)  Proximity to XC ski trails
	4)  Peace and quiet
	5)  Reasonable price

...not necessarily in that order of priority.


Please reply to my e-mail address:  sdebroux@iastate.edu (Steve DeBroux)


Mega-thanks,

Steve.


Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping)
Subject: Re: Edmund Fitzgerald: (Final Voyage)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:08:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1egq23INN1hc@ef2007.efhd.ford.com> wehr@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com writes:
>Bob Topping (thumper@engin.umich.edu) wrote:
>: with a northwesterly heading.  0700, she cleared Isle Royale, coming about
>              ^^^^
>: from northwest to westerly.  By 1300, sailing south-southwest, passing
>            ^^^^    ^^^^                                   ^^^^
>
>    Forgive my questioning, but shouldn't these references be
>    "east?" I'm not trying to be sarcastic - I'm honestly curious.
>    I don't have a map handy to check it out - these statements
>    could very well be accurate. They just don't agree with my
>    intuitive expectations.
>

  I must confess, its been about nine years since I wrote the paper that 
this information came from.  However, based on my memories, this is the 
heading that the ship is coming FROM.  i.e. from the west.  Like I said, 
its been a while--a LONG while-- so please, correct me if I'm wrong.  I'll
be sure to check my sources tonight when I get home.

  By the way-- To all who replied to my postings, Thanks!  I really ap-
preciated the comments from everyone!  

  --Bob.


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@       -- Garth Brooks, The Dance.     +     ** RETURN OUR HURON! **       @
From: tmm@sdd.hp.com (Tim McDonough)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Edmund Fitzgerald
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:51:44 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl210.sdd.hp.com

Since there has been so much talk of the EF lately, I thought it was time to do
a repost of some old articles I had saved on the subject!

                                -Tim
===============================================================================
Hewlett Packard - SPR                                  Timothy M. McDonough
16399 W. Bernardo Drive        (619) 989-0120          1350 N. Esc. Blvd. #40
San Diego, CA 92127            tmm@sdd.hp.com          Escondido, CA 92026-2520
(619) 592-8657              uunet!sdd.hp.com!tmm       (619) 489-7863
===============================================================================
From samsung!olivea!uunet!midway!msuinfo!sharkey!lopez!steve Mon Aug 05 10:34:31 PDT 1991
Article: 942 of alt.great-lakes
From: 22540KSS@MSU
Subject: Re: Edmund Fitzgerald
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:46:54 EST

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    /**  \/     Ellen   - at the Double O
   /            Matthew - spouse, best friend, partner
  /             Jasmine - ruler of the roost           (female cockatiel)
 /              Cody    - mouse huntress extraordinaire(female pound kitty)
/               Blue    - electric puppy on springs    (male German Shorthaired
                                  \                     Pointer pound puppy)
                Amber   - trusty steed                 (Quarter Horse mare)
                Warrior - go anywhere steed            (Appaloosa gelding)
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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: fejd@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jim Drogos)
Subject: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?
Reply-To: fejd@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:51:30 GMT

When I was younger, much younger, my friend and I use to cut class and
body surf the northeasters at Oak Street Beach in Chicago during the dead
of winter. Drove the Chicago cops crazy.


-- 
+-------------------------------+
|  James Drogos                 |
|  fejd@midway.uchicago.edu     |
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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: bcampbell@ll.mit.edu (Betty Campbell)
Subject: Re: homesick in autumn
Keywords: n
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:39:03 GMT


>>(Carolyn Ybarra) says:
>> 
>>>Maybe if all of us who would like to go back if we could get jobs -
>>>if we all got together we could start a company and locate it in
>>>Michigan...  Nice fantasy, huh?
>> 


Count my vote in, too!

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Betty Campbell                             (bcampbell@ll.mit.edu)
MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Lexington, MA
From: tom@mills.edu (Tom Erbe)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Whitefish Bay (WAS: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:57:58 GMT
Organization: Mills College, Oakland CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ella.mills.edu

In article <Uf1qMZW00WBLA0vmFw@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

"Maybe I'm a little tunnel-visioned, but what's the difference?  Is not
"Whitefish Bay (the town) sitting on Whitefish Bay (the bay?).  I mean,
"obviously the ship wasn't headed for a dock or anything, but to me
"Whitefish Bay is Whitefish Bay.  Bay or Town=Tomaeto or Tomahto.

The Whitefish Bay (the bay) that Gordon Lightfoot is refering to is on the
eastern end of Lake Surperior, very close to Sault Saint Marie.  The only
Whitefish Bay (the town) that I know of is in Milwaukee County.  My memory
is a little dim though, since I moved from Wisconsin (Cedarburg) in 1976.

-- 
Tom Erbe * Technical Director * Center for Contemporary Music * Mills College
  tom@mills.edu * Mills College, Oakland, CA  94613 * (510) 430-2191
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: imsgjraq@sinc.oscs.montana.edu (Joseph Raquepas)
Subject: Porcupine Mtns
Organization: Montana State University, Bozeman  MT
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:27:58 GMT

I'm trying to find a great place in Michigan to take a friend from Montana
next summer ( on a backpacking trip that is).  My brother suggested the
Porcupine Mtns. Anyone been there  who can give me some details?

joe raquepas




Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping)
Subject: Re: Edmund Fitzgerald: (Crew Names)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:21:47 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


Here is the list of the ship's crew of the S.S. Edmund Fitzgerald.

Format:     Name - Rate/Rank - Hometown

1.  Ernest Michael McSorely - Master - Toledo, Ohio

2.  John Henkle McCarthy - First Mate - Bay Village, Ohio

3.  James A. Pratt - Second Mate - Lakewood, Ohio

4.  Michael Eugene Armagost - Third Mate - Iron River, Wisconsin

5.  George John Holl - Chief Engineer - Cabot, Pennsylvania

6.  Edward Francis Bindon - First Asst. Engineer - Fairport Harbor, Ohio

7.  Thomas Edgar Edwards - Second Asst. Engineer - Oregon, Ohio

8.  Russell George Haskell - Second Asst. Engineer - Millbury, Ohio

9.  Oliver Joseph Champeau - Third Asst. Engineer - Milwaukee, Wisconsin

10. Frederick J. Beetcher - Porter - Superior, Wisconsin

11. Thomas Bentson - Oiler - St. Joseph, Michigan

12. Thomas Dale Borgeson - Able-Bodied Maintenance Man - Duluth, Minnesota

13. Nolan Frank Church - Porter - Silver Bay, Minnesota

14. Ransom Edward Cundy - Watchman - Superior, Wisconsin

15. Bruce Lee Hudson - Deckhand - North Olmsted, Ohio

16. Allen George Kalmon - Second Cook - Washburn, Minnesota

17. Gordon F. Maclellan - Wiper - Clearwater, Florida

18. Joseph William Mazes - Special Maintenance Man - Ashland, Wisconsin

19. Eugene William O'Brien - Wheelsman - Perrysburg Township, Ohio

20. Karl Anthony Peckol - Watchman - Ashtabula, Ohio

21. John Joseph Poniach - Wheelsman - Bradenton, Florida

22. Robert Charles Rafferty - Temporary Steward (First Cook) - Toledo, Ohio

23. Paul M. Ritpa - Deckhand - Ashtabula, Ohio

24. John David Simmons - Wheelsman - Ashland, Wisconsin

25. William J. Spengler - Watchman - Toledo, Ohio

26. Mark Andrew Thomas - Deckhand - Richmond Heights, Ohio

27. Ralph Grant Walton - Oiler - Fremont, Ohio

28. David Elliot Weiss - Cadet (deck) - Canogha Park, California

29. Blaine Howard William - Oiler - Moquah, Wisconsin


  These 29 men are listed today in official reports as:  
  MISSING: Presumed Dead.

  A synopsis of the Fitz's last voyage will follow in another posting. 


-- 
@ "Our lives are better left to chance; +       PLEASE E-Mail to:           @
@  I could have missed the pain, but    +  bob.topping@um.cc.umich.edu      @
@  I'd have had to miss the dance."     +  phy_astrclub@emunix.emich.edu    @
@       -- Garth Brooks, The Dance.     +     ** RETURN OUR HURON! **       @
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: imsgjraq@sinc.oscs.montana.edu (Joseph Raquepas)
Subject: Re: homesick in autumn
Keywords: n
Organization: Montana State University, Bozeman  MT
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:31:07 GMT

>(Carolyn Ybarra) says:
> 
>>Maybe if all of us who would like to go back if we could get jobs -
>>if we all got together we could start a company and locate it in
>>Michigan...  Nice fantasy, huh?
> 
>You've got my vote!

 My vote also!

j.raquepas
 


Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: 22540KSS@MSU
Subject: Re: Edmund Fitzgerald
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:46:54 EST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
               /****\  /**\
              /***   \/    \
      /\     /              \
     /**\  /                 \


    /**  \/     Ellen   - at the Double O
   /            Matthew - spouse, best friend, partner
  /             Jasmine - ruler of the roost           (female cockatiel)
 /              Cody    - mouse huntress extraordinaire(female pound kitty)
/               Blue    - electric puppy on springs    (male German Shorthaired
                                  \                     Pointer pound puppy)
                Amber   - trusty steed                 (Quarter Horse mare)
                Warrior - go anywhere steed            (Appaloosa gelding)
--------------------------------------------------------------
From: gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Whitefish Bay (WAS: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?)
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: The Permanent Floating BBS

cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel) writes:

> Excerpts from 15-Nov-92 Re: surfing in Lake Superior? by Paul Botts
> > In article <blah> cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Me) writes:
> >>lyrics to "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".  It is my understanding
> >>that it contains a line about Whitefish Bay (My hometown!)
> > Well, it does, but I'm pretty sure it refers to Whitefish Bay, the bay,
> > not Whitefish Bay, the town. 
> 
> Maybe I'm a little tunnel-visioned, but what's the difference?  Is not
> Whitefish Bay (the town) sitting on Whitefish Bay (the bay?).  I mean,
> obviously the ship wasn't headed for a dock or anything, but to me
> Whitefish Bay is Whitefish Bay.

Depends on the size of the bay, I suppose.  It also brings to mind the
confusion that flatlanders experience when they assume that Houghton
is next to Houghton Lake.  A college roommate used to work in a gas
station just off US-27 near Clare.  He had an encounter that went
along the lines of:

"Where you headed?"
                                  "Michigan Tech.  We're taking our
                                  daughter."
Noticing the time, "Ah.  You 
looking for a place to spend the 
night?  Around Grayling."
                                  "Oh no, we've got reservations at a
                                  place near the university."
"Uh...How far do you think it is
to Houghton?"
                                  "It's just another 40 minutes or so."
"Sir, that's Houghton Lake.  
Houghton is another 8 hours after 
that."
                                  "What?"
"It's in the U.P.  At the west 
end."
                                  "Look, it's right here on the map!"
"No, that's Houghton Lake.  
Houghton is way over here."

At that point the father started stammering, the mother started fuming
and the daughter got slightly hysterical.  They called MTU, learned that
they could arrive a day late without serious consequence, and calmed
down a bit.

--
Gabe Helou (pfbbs!gabe@angus.mi.org -or- ...uunet!angus!pfbbs!gabe)
The Permanent Floating BBS [Catch us when you can] ----------------------------
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: The Pail and Shovel Years (was: Beer in Wisconsin)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:28:27 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1ehbj6INN99n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams) writes:
>PS--They also sell the new book published by St Martin's Press
>entitled _If At All Possible, Involve a COW_ by Neil Steinberg.
>It's a history of US college pranks and has a full chapter on the
>University of Wisconsin during the late seventies (alas, a few
>years after my graduation) where they brought the Statue of
>Liberty to Lake Mendota.  The cover photo of the book is the
>flock of plastic flamingoes in fron of Bascom Hall at UW-Madison.

   I had the good fortune to be able to help vote the Pail and Shovel
Party into office during those years.  I still have some of the campaign
materials and other miscellaneous stuff (e.g. my share of the $400
tuition rebate, the revised campus map), and postcards of the flamingoes
and Statue of Liberty proudly hang here in my office.  I'll have to look
for the book.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
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