From: polant@cps.msu.edu (Bradley N Polant)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Prayers in school (Was: What is a Conservative?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:08:57 GMT
Reply-To: polant@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu (Bradley N Polant)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: polant@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu

In article <1992Nov20.161155.24618@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> polant@cpsin3.cps.msu.edu (Bradley N Polant) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.172857.14372@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov13.040800.7656@ncsu.edu> wglee@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu (William Gary Lee) writes:
>>>In article <BxKCIz.C1C@ns1.nodak.edu> jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu (Lee A. Jorgensen) writes:
>>>
>>>   some text deleted ...
>>>>
>>>>FORCED?????   I don't think that the push for prayer in schools would FORCE
>>>>students to pray.  It's more of a quiet-type time.  BUT you can pray if you
>>>>want.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>RIIIIGHT! I can just imagine the loving gathering....
>>>
>>>	'Now class, lets all set in a circle and join hands
>>>	while Rush Jr. leads us in the Lord's Prayer...that is
>>>	all except for little Mohammed, who doesn't believe in
>>>	our true Saviour and hence will never enter Heaven.'
>>>
>>>I'm sure that prayer in schools would *really* be voluntary and would
>>>help us to be a more moral and loving nation; that it would
>>>show our children that acceptance and understanding will make the
>>>world a better place.
>>>
>>>
>>>	Gary Lee
>>
>>That's the problem with you liberal wacos, you don't believe that anyone 
>>will ever do the right think without passing a law mandating that they do 
>>or do not do the right thing.
>>
>>How about if I allege (as you have done above) that all homosexuals will 
>>in fact try to put moves on straight soldiers in the military, and that 
>>for that reason we should keep gays out of the military?  This is 
>>exactly what you have done in your argument above.
>>
>>This is so disgusting.  Because you are convinced (without any evidence, 
>>it's nice to know) that people will misuse their rights, instead of 
>>dealing with the misuse of that right, you remove their rights.
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>-- 
>>            
>>
>>krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
>
>
    You need to get around more ted, and see what the world is
really like.  The sad truth is that the American people have many times
suspended there own basic rights in order to attack a minority.
Consider the anti-IWW actions of 1917, the red scare of 1919, the
japanese scare of 1941.  All populat actions where a mob turned on a
unpopular minority.  I stand against school prayer because it
exacerbates the kind of us verse them thinking that causes these
actions.  If if 90% of the people respect the right of a minority, the
other 10% should be enought to move things right along.  It only takes
one bigot in a crowd to make a mob.  That's not opionin, that's history,
and it's what the founding fathers were afraid of when they created a
democracy.
And by the way, since when do you conservatives get off preaching about
how liberals don't trust people not to abuse there rights.  This while
conservatives perpetuate the myth of welfare queen (the poor take
adavantage of welfare), blather on about individuals not repsonsible
enough to use drugs (the war on drugs, or more like the skirmish on
drugs and war on rights), and even abortion (the mother can't decide).
The real dope is practivally the whole conservative moral platform is
based on government deciding what's right for YOU.  Don't try to pass of
the republicans as interested in rights, the party of watergate and
anti-civil rights.  If you want the differnce between the right and the
left, it's only in what they want to regulate.
IMHO of course.

Brad Polant
P.S don't flame me, I bite back