HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: major OS releases (was Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new)
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:27:39 GMT

In article <bill.714409923@chaos.cs.umn.edu> bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu () writes:
>>root@mordor.com (Chris Mauritz - SysGod) writes:
>>[lines deleted]
>>: Well, I think it is time that us "loyalists" start exercising our
>>: money back guarantee until such time as the product is stable.  I
>>: think, after seeing all the recent traffic here, that I will cancel
>>: my order and wait for a more stable update or just migrate to OS/2
>>: for my "traditional unix tasks."
>
>gee can i send aix 3.2 back? and maybe the rs6000/550 with 384mb
>of main and 10gb of hd. gee the tools barf on it every time i get a new
>os. can i get my $$ back. gee there sb ***no*** bugs anywhere
>no matter what i do.
>hey. show me 1, yes 1 os on any, yes any machine which does not have
>any, any bugs, hickups, whatever during a major upgrade. just 1 now thats all
>i ask. if you can i will publicly appologize to all persons here.
>bill pociengel
>--
>bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu

Same goes for Hewlett Packard, DEC, et al in my experience.  Recently, a 
common addition in major releases has been ANSI compilers.  One reason that I
am not a big fan of ANSI is that most of the first generation ANSI compilers
were so buggy it wasn't funny.  Sometimes I had to add NULLs between parameters
in functions, eg.:
open_window(parent_window,window_type,NULL,x_size,y_size,NULL,...);
If you forgot the NULLs then x_size was random, y_size was set to x_size's 
value, etc.  Lot's of support calls to figure that one out...

And here I am saying that major OS releases are buggy.  I know that I have sent
out a few software packages myself that had a few nasty bugs hidden in them.  I
think it is good that people are finding errors.  It is a fact of software life
that some testing must (unfortunately) be left for the gamma testers.

As far as OS programming goes, I am sure the AT ISA architecture is probably
one of the worst since there are so many variations.

Harry
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From: GREGL@DELPHI.COM (Greg Law)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: NN/TIN under Coherent 4.0
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Chris (mauritz_c@SPCVXB.SPC.EDU) writes:
> As soon as I get my Disk #2, I plan to upgrade my news system to
> tin or nn.  Do these readers run on top of cnews or do they come
> with their own news subsystem?

I downloaded both TIN and TASS, and both consist of only the news reader.
Thus you will still need the news subsystem to use either one. I have TIN
running and it seems to work fine (albeit I need the news subsystem to really
be able to use i. I've tried to compile TASS but so far no luck with it.
I read a hint earlier to try -VPSTR with some programs that don't run
properly and will try that later tonight. The specific problem I have with
TASS is that it gets linker warnings about COLS and LINES defined as a
global then as a common, and it give a core dump when I run it. Probably
something simple that I haven't looked into yet.

	-- Greg
From: GREGL@DELPHI.COM (Greg Law)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: UUCP and netnews
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I hate to beat an old drum that's probably been beaten quite a few times
on this list, but here goes anyway. I just received and installed Coherent
(4.0) on a 386-40 clone and am in the process of setting up UUCP with a
V.32 modem. So far I've managed to connect to mwcbbs and downloaded a few
files so at least I know the basic package works. However, the first time
I booted Coherent and called mwcbbs, it connected at 9600 using the 0412
number. Of course the first time I called was to get that short howto.start
file so I thought 9600 would be great for getting the large files later.
I then called back to get the mwcbbs file but the modem connected at 2400.
After I got the mwcbbs file I called back to get another short file and it
again connected at 2400. At this point I'm thinking perhaps the 0412 line
is a rollover line with one or two V.32 modems and I'm simply getting the
2400-bps modems that are left. Well, I turned off the computer and left for
a bit. When I returned I turned on the computer and called mwcbbs again,
and this time it connected at 9600. Of course it grabbed a real short file
(I had intended to get elm and a few other large files at 9600 if I could).
So the bottom line question is this: Is this simply nothing more than Mark
Williams being a rollover line and coincedence that I'm hitting the V.32
modems when I powered on the computer, or is there some problem in my
configuration that needs to be addressed?

Onto the second and quicker question. I think I've located a local UUCP feed
that offeres both V.32 and PEP lines and plan to use it for mail and netnews.
I suspect you might imagine my surprise to discover that Coherent comes
with UUCP but without any netnews software (rnews, readnews, etc.). That kinda
reminds me of getting cherry pie without any cherries, or meat and potatos
without any potatos. :-) So is news software available anywhere for Coherent,
or that can be ported? Although I don't have direct FTP access, I think I
might be able to use the Mail->FTP transport available through DEC to get the
files if available (assuming I can find my notes on how to reach the DEC FTP
server).

At any rate, I appreciate any assistance you can offer.

	Greg Law (gregl@delphi.com)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: iguchi@asdi (Ned Iguchi x6713)
Subject: q
Organization: SAIC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:50:00 GMT
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0.1; some bad things
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:59
Organization: Private Coherent 4.0.1 site Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards) writes:
> 
> Will do tonight.  A lot of makefiles will need changing.  I also tried
> recompiling Udo Munk's rogue port both with its internal curses and
                         ^^^^^
> with the 4.0 curses library; they linked but crashed under 4.0.1,
> perhaps the termcap library will help here also.  The old 3.2 binary
> works fine.

BTW, Umoria 5.2 compiles fine if one comments out the call to user_name,
and writes a dummy check_input() always returning 0. Compile with -DUSG.
This uses -ltermcap and -lcurses also and has no problems under 4.0.1.


--ralf
-- Telepathy is just a trick:  once you know how to do it, it's easy. (nh)
From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: using coherent to dial out
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 92 19:06:07 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

Joachim Riedel of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/20
on <Aug 05 at 05:41>

 JR> From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
 JR> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
 JR> Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS


 JR> Already available are these programs:

 JR> MINICOM, a MINIX-Program, TELIX-look-alike
 JR> MINICOM is a great program !!


  OK! I looked on MWCBBS and I did not find it.
  Where is it to be found?

                       Bret Johnson

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UUCP: ...!n8emr!bluemoon!cmhgate!1110.1!Bret.Johnson
INET: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: backup of disk set
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 06:35:21 GMT

If you are only making backup copies of your originals, then find a DOS
machine and use DISKCOPY. Works fine.

_________________________________________________________________________
|Robert Chalmers. d10590@tanus.oz.au       Mackay, Queensland. Australia|
|APCUG nanguo!root   (AUS)               UUCP mwcbbs!nanguo!earth  (USA)|
|---------------------* ao zhong youyi wan sui *------------------------|
|  UUCP nanguo!root  +61  79-521070 AEST:24 Hours. in:nuucp rd:uupublic |
|  MYNAME=bbsuser   ~/INFO   Australian-Pacific Coherent User Group     |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: NN/TIN under Coherent 4.0
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:29:33 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

GREGL@DELPHI.COM (Greg Law) writes:
: Chris (mauritz_c@SPCVXB.SPC.EDU) writes:
: > As soon as I get my Disk #2, I plan to upgrade my news system to
: > tin or nn.  Do these readers run on top of cnews or do they come
: > with their own news subsystem?

They run on the top of a news subsystem. I'm using both together with
Wnews at home under Coherent 4.0 and together with Cnews under System V
at work.

: I downloaded both TIN and TASS, and both consist of only the news reader.
: Thus you will still need the news subsystem to use either one. I have TIN
: running and it seems to work fine (albeit I need the news subsystem to really
: be able to use i. I've tried to compile TASS but so far no luck with it.
: I read a hint earlier to try -VPSTR with some programs that don't run
: properly and will try that later tonight. The specific problem I have with
: TASS is that it gets linker warnings about COLS and LINES defined as a
: global then as a common, and it give a core dump when I run it. Probably
: something simple that I haven't looked into yet.

1. Forget about TASS, TIN is made from TASS, but it's much improved.
2. If you really want to run TASS under 4.0, the problems are because
   TASS is ported to 3.x. In the makefile change -lcurses -lterm
   to -lcurses, and the warnings are gone. Right, if it core dumps
   use -VPSTR and it should run.
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From: fredex@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (Fred Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: I just got mine...
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:37:49 GMT
Organization: Absolutely none!


I finally got my 4.0.1 up this week, and now am busy trying to port
useful stuff to it.

Spent some time today on tcsh 6.01, and after some nontrivial pain got
it to compile and link (there are serious incompatibilities in make
and/or sh, which caused most of the pain). Now tcsh will boot, and
some internal commands will run, but the minute I run an external
command (such as ls) I get no prompt back, and have to pop over to
another virtual screen and kill the baby. When typing in a command,
hit backspace and watch a real core dump occur. Probably a couple of
other weird ones.

so, Is there anyone out there who is eihter 1: more familiar than I with
the innards of tcsh, who can help debug the pig, 2: more familiar with
debuggingn with db than I, who can help debug the pig, 3: knows of a
tcsh that is already ported, or being ported to coherent 4.0, so I can
avoid all this pain?

I HATE being stuck with an (inferior, it seems) bourne shell clone. I
hope someone does a good port of tcsh and makes it available. GOTTA
have a csh or tcsh to keep myself happy.

I'm also interested in cnews and rn, among other things. I 've got
the sources here, but haven't attacked them yet. if anyone gets 'em
done, or knows where I can get 'em, please post and/or e-mail me.

Thanks!

P.S.

I got unzip42 and zip1.0 (without the encryption) done with almost
no pain at all. (the only pain was, again, the brain-damaged make)
Can make 'em available if desired. Suggestions (via email) welcome.
flames to /dev/null.

I was interested to note that the unzip42 from coherent 4.0.1 works
just fine on the SCO Unix box at work. haven't tried the zip yet.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Dial-in problems
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:48:13 GMT

In article <goose.713815272@ais.org> goose@ais.org (Christopher L. Goosman) writes:
>I can dial out just fine from my Coherent box (A Dell 200 running 3.2) but
>dialing in is another problem entirely. As soon as I get a CD the TR
>drops on my modem and the modem hangs up. I've set the modem according to
>the file modeminit (AT E0 V0 Q1 S0=1) so I don't think it's a modem problem,

Does your modem have a command '&D0'?  If it does, add &D0 to your modeminit.
I was having the same problems as you were.  My first solution was to allow
dial-ins on the com?l devices instead of com?r.  This is not a good solution 
since things are not reset correctly when dialing in to com?l, and remote
access passwords aren't needed, etc.

The &D0 command tells the modem to ignore the DTR; the default is to hang up 
and enter command mode when on-to-off transition of DTR occurs (for not quite
Hayes compatible modems like ours anyways).

Harry
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Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:3794 comp.mail.uucp:1676
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Source for FTP available?
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 08:36:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:

> Actually, I called MWC today about TCP/IP and FTP support.  They told me 
> that they had just hired somebody to port TCP/IP to Coherent for release 
> 4.1.  When questioned if they would be including FTP, the response was, 
> "We have been discussing that in technical meetings lately."  Not a 
> definite answer one way or the other.  If you are a user, I'd suggest 
> calling them and plugging FTP.

Huh? Apologies if I've got this wrong, but aren't the tools necessary for
FTP just user programs. That is, once Coherent supports TCP/IP (a kernel thing
that only MWC can do until we get a 386 device driver kit), running FTP over
it will just be a matter of porting some available code for FTP (that is
presumably out there).

						- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: NN/TIN under Coherent 4.0
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 08:37:49 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

> As soon as I get my Disk #2, I plan to upgrade my news system to
> tin or nn.  Do these readers run on top of cnews or do they come
> with their own news subsystem?

They run on top of C News. Or B News, or WNEWS, or GNews, or whatever.

						- k
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From: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org (Terry Bell N8HSP)
Reply-To: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Split files at Raven.alaska.edu
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:49:5 GMT
Organization: N8HSP Amateur Radio

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu ( @ SPC Community Access System) once wrote....
>Is there some reason why people are chopping up the files being posted
>to Raven?  Is there some reason why the keeper of Raven (grin) isn't
>glueing them back together?
>
>Just curious...
>
>Chris
> 
Well my *GUESS* is for someone like me who doesn't have ftp capabilities.
You see for me to get the files from raven.alaska.edu I need to use a
mail server. Most mail servers limit the size of a mail message to around
50~60k of data. BTW, raven folks THANKS for the files and DEC.DECWRL folks
THANK YOU for the service!!!!!!!

Just my guess, btw.

Toodles, Terry
tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org

Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:3750 comp.mail.uucp:1673
From: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Reply-To: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.mail.uucp
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Source for FTP available?
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Main Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:36:48 

This originally appeared in comp.mail.uucp...

wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu () writes:

>Does anybody know where I can locate source code for FTP?  I am running
>Coherent 4.0 and it does not provide FTP.

Let us know when you port it...
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: what is usr/lib/mail/paths?
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:30:39 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

friberg@mtu.edu (Kenneth W. Friberg) writes:
: I just got uucp to connect to my schools network.  I can receive mail just
: fine, but when I try to send mail, I get the error "/usr/lib/mail/paths" not
: found.  What is supposed to be in that file?  I can't find it in my manuals.
: The address I am trying to send to is mtu.edu!friberg, and I am calling 
: mtu.edu directly.  Also, how can I tell my mailer to send stuff for unknown
: hosts to mtu.edu (my uucp host)?

Type man paths and you'll get the needed informations. Use a smart-host
entry in paths, to route mails with unkown addresses to a know address.
Your paths should look like these:

mtu.edu<tab>mtu.edu!%s<tab>120
smart-host<tab>mtu.edu!%s<tab>120

Please notice: there must be *one* tab between the fields, and the lines
must be sorted in ascending order.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: gcc (gcc++)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:01:53 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

antoonm@relay.eu.net () writes:
: I know that there is gcc (or gcc++) available for coherent.
: Where can I find it and does it only runon Coh 386 or also on Coh 3.2.1 ?

No chance to get it running with 3.x, you need 4.0. MWC has ported gcc,
so one day you might find it on MWCBBS or on the disks of a COHware volume.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: benchmark of /dev/msg: it DOES slow disk access!
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:30:39 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth) writes:
: In article <1992Aug9.143240.26537@csx.cciw.ca> hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
: >
: >Iozone 1.09, however, yielded some startling results:
: >Write time decreased by 7% when mtalk was running with two users logged in.
: >Read time decreased by 75% when mtalk was used by two users!
: >
: >So the original poster (Earthbound Misfit, I was it?) was correct: the active
: >use of /dev/msg by mtalk DOES indeed reduce disk throughput.
: >
: >Any reason for this? (If you want the benchmak sourcecode and my numerical
: >results, just ask.)
: >
: >Anyone know why mtalk should cause a fourfold cut in disk read time?
: >
: Does the msg driver use the disk to move the messages from one user to 
: another?  I am thinking of behavior like "I write the stuff, then you read
: it".  One way to check for this would be to have the msg driver use a ram disk
: instead.  I don't know how feasable this is (I've never used it), but it would
: give some indication if the attempt was successful.

No it does not. I've take a look at the device driver documentation, the
kernel has patchable variables for size and number of messages. The
messages goes through kalloc'd memory in the kernels data space.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:39:39 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

root@mordor.com (Chris Mauritz - SysGod) writes:

> Well, I think it is time that us "loyalists" start exercising our
> money back guarantee until such time as the product is stable.  I
> think, after seeing all the recent traffic here, that I will cancel
> my order and wait for a more stable update or just migrate to OS/2
> for my "traditional unix tasks."

Chris, while I can understand you're annoyed at not receiving your update
yet (something I can relate to) your comments about waiting for a "stable"
product are puzzling. Read the messages you quoted: 1 person who said they
were having problems with 4.0 and 2 who said it was running fine. I don't
know where the "recent traffic" about 4.0 problems you refer to, maybe
you're reading another newsgroup?

						- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Copying files to floppy disks
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 08:11:17 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

"Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:

> In article <01GNV2FPK56A8ZE6H1@delphi.com> you write:
>
> >together. Yet after I get home, I find that screen.tar.Z is 400K and
> >nn.tar.Z is 440K on the floppy and the files are definitely incomplete.
> >Here's how I did the batch today at work:
> >
> >	cat screen.tar.Za? >screen.tar.Z
> 
> This is your problem.  If you use a single '>', each screen.tar.Za? overwrites
> the previous one.  You need to use *2*, like so:
> 
> cat screen.tar.Za? >> screen.tar.Z
> 
> This _appends_ rather than overwrites the screen.tar.Z file.

Sorry, but this is completely and utterly wrong, and if it's the way things
happen on your system then something's broken.

Think about the way the shell expands wildcards and handles stdin/stdout.
Typing "cat screen.tar.Za?" will not spawn multiple executions of /bin/cat
for each file. The shell will parse the wildcard and expand the command line
to "cat screen.tar.Zaa screen.tar.Zab screen.tar.Zac ...", which will then
be executed. The single cat command will output all the files on the command
line to stdout, and the "> screen.tar.Z" on the command line will tell the
shell to redirect stdout for the duration of that command to the file
screen.tar.Z.

							- k
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