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From: audi@tellabs.com (Audi McGee)
Subject: Re: Opinions on dog sleeping arrangements
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:38:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.113205.519@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>In <1992Dec11.160651.11075@news.nd.edu> mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu writes:
>
>> As was already mentioned, the Monks of New Skete in their book, How to
>> be your dogs best friend, think it is very important to have your dog
>> in the bedroom at night with you.  However, they also stress the importance
>> of not having your dog actually in the bed with you.  I must admit I 
>
>Unfortunately, the Monks of New Skete are just that:  MONKS.  I.e., they're
>celibate.  So they don't have the problem of their dogs being jealous of their
>intimate bed-partners.  Not all dogs, but SOME dogs I've known, can't stand
>being, well, the third wheel, and try to disrupt every act of intimacy unless
>they are banished from the bedroom (at least some of the time).
>
>In fact, some Dogs are right up there with Kids as "effective methods of birth
>control"  --  somehow they instinctively manage to enforce abstinence.  8^}

well if this isn't the truth i don't know what is! our boys must
be banished from the bedroom at certain times (including the cats)
and then we get serenaded by paws clawing at the door and
howling! :) :)

audi


>
>------------------------
>Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
>Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA


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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Snow Dogs
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:38:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Hello everyone, this is Siegfried.  Mommy is busy, so I thought
I would post a message to all the doggies out there.  Everyone get
your doggies to the screen.

We have lots of snow here is Worcester, MA--maybe even too much.  I
can't run like usual, but I did help Mommy dig her car out yesterday.
Anyway, I wanted to let you know about a fun trick I do in the snow.
I call it making snow dogs.   You run along the snow with your head
down, then fall over onto your side or back (sometimes I can even
do a somersault).   Now, wriggle around in the snow and make a fun
snow dog pattern!   This is really great.

Also, a little beauty tip for you fellow winter dogs.  Snow in the coat
makes it look full and beautiful.  And for Christmas decorating, don't
shake out 'til you go back inside.  Instant snowflakes all over the 
house!

Siegfried
posting from mommy's account
mfriley@wpi.wpi.edu
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: GSD Heeling problem
Date: 13 Dec 1992 07:56:05 GMT
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Stephen Davies (daviess@gov.on.ca) wrote: : I agree with the person who
mentioned gradually working up to situations : such as the one you
described.  I also have another suggestion.  I once : had a GSD who also
was a problem heeler, I used a collar/halter type : device called a
"haltee" (I'm not sure of the spelling).  This is a type : of halter which
turns a dog's head in the direction that the lead is : pulled.  Since the
dog's head is actually turned in the direction of : travel, the rest of
the body naturally follows.  I found that this : device was quite gentle
and did not require combative yanking sessions : which I previously
sometimes experienced.  I had two ~small problems : with this halter: 

: 1) It was sometimes mistaken for a muzzle by passers by (especially as
: the dog was a GSD)

: 2) You must get the right size (they are manufactured in several sizes)
: as it may slide off if improperly fitted.

I would add 3) make sure you fasten the loose end down (I have knotted and
sewn mine) as it can be pulle loose.

Karen


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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: How to arrange for a friends dog at your house
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:48:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.154640.21435@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
}They get along pretty well although Dexter is a bit more energetic and
}Saavik seems to get annoyed with her at times (ignoring her, running
}from her).  Neither dog has shown agression towards the other.  Neither
}dog is crate trained.

As long as one or both dogs are "fixed", I'd say leave them together.
Unless there is food or attention involved, it is very very unlikely
that they will fight outright. Instead, the dog who does not want to
be bothered (the less energetic one) will firmly and loudly let the
other dog know that s/he does not want to play. It may seem super-
aggressive to you the first time you see it, but you'll notice that no
blood is shed; just lots of display. That is perfectly normal; dogs
set boundaries with each other constantly.

And the other 90% of the time they'll enjoy each other's company thoroughly.

Spoken as one who added an 8-month-old large puppy to a household that
already had a nearly 2-year-old dog of equal size. They play-fight
and wrestle almost constantly, with teeth fully bared and lots of growling.
And when the older dog has enough, he lets the puppy know in no uncertain
terms, and that is that. The worst they have ever done to each other is
punch tiny holes in each other's ears (no blood, just barely perforations),
and that was during rough play, not during boundary setting.

The funniest part was my wife, who has never had dogs before. At first she
would say, "Are they really *playing*?" And I would say, "Say one of their
names." When she did so, they would instantly go from rearing growling
teeth-baring snarling beasts to playful dogs wagging tails furiously and
licking each other familiarly, then it would be back to roughhousing as
usual. The older dog, who is definitely the alpha dog (well, after Dorothy
and I), would often lie down and "fight" the puppy from the prone position;
yet another indicator that none of it was serious.
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: jowu@plx.com (Joe Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Akita
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:50:40 GMT
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Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

Hi netter,
 
Has Any netter have experience about Akita. My wife and I brought a Akita puppy
(male) a while ago. Now we are "a little bit" worry about his strong will.
Is this dog some kind agressive to other dog/animal or even stranger. 

Thanks
-- 
Joe Wu	  E-mail:jowu@plx.com
PLEXUS Software, 1310 Chesapeake Terrace, Sunnyvale, CA 94089
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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Welcome, Bianca
Keywords: adult poodle, helpful hints wanted
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:31:35 GMT

In article <1gnhgmINNqt1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
>What I've read is that the way to get a dog to bond to you is to work
>with it.  If it's a hunting dog, take it hunting.  If it's a herding dog,
>start herding.  Winifred Gibson Strickland (who bred and trained German
>Shepherd Dogs for years) says that dogs bond to the one who trains them.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HA!  I took our lab to puppy school and am now taking her to doggie
school, and she definitely likes my husband better than me!!!

Other factors influence this, in my opinion.  For us, this was my
first EVER dog and I didn't know what to do when she was a puppy,
plus my husband is more willing to play rough with her.  In general,
I think training will help strengthen the bond, but don't neglect
the fun stuff either!


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese



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I  have heard of dog training camps where people go with their dogs for 
a week?  a weekend? and there are workshops on utility, agility, etc.  I
think this sounds kind of fun, and wonder:

1.  Have you ever gone?  What was it like ?

2.  Anyone know of any in California?  The only ones I know of are in the
    midwest or places that aren't either convenient or where I would ever
     consider vacationing.

     Thanks in advance


     db


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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:32:14 GMT

>|>  * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
>
>Elaine, if you post it for all to see, you are going to have to deal with the
>consequences of other people getting involved.  You have more than pissed off
>people in this group, I suggest you learn some manners and learn how to properly
>post.
>
>
I agree with "SKY WARRIOR" (sorry, I forget your name!).
Elaine's posts hurt me even though they are directed elsewhere.
Now when I see her name on the heading, I simply zap by.  Her
rudeness and callowness is something I thought I'd never
experience on the network.

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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help for a Troubled Dog
Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:42:41 GMT
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Valaria Vorlop (Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote: : I'm posting this
on behalf of a friend of mine. 

The advice about the vet check was good.

Has anyone talked to the kids?  The dog seems to be heving problems with
them;  maybe something happened.  Don't accuse anyone, just talk to them
about the dog.  On the other hand, it may be that the dog has discovered
that he can be dominant.  Haard to say without meeting the involved parties.

Karen
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs walking Dogs ?!?!?
Keywords: GOOFUS!
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:55:45 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <7565@dove.nist.gov> glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov writes:
>>We have a dog in the neighborhood that will ONLY walk himself.
>When on a leash he is miserable.  He pulls, stops, whines, etc. 
>But if the owner puts part of the leash in the dog's mouth, he's 
>as happy as can be.  It's a hillarious sight watching this dog
>walking himself and his owner (sometimes he turns around and pulls
>his owner along).
>
>Rob G.
>glenn@osi.ncsl.nist.gov

Opal loves to hold the lead in her mouth.  We live in Champaign, where they
have a leash law, so I let her carry it, and we're all happy!

*grin*

Kelly
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: RE: Obedience v. Breed
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:56:28 GMT

In article <11DEC92.12260644.0062@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, T00X000 <T00X@UNB.CA> writes:
|> I agree with Anne! Physically and mentally inferior dogs CAN NOT be     ck) writes:
|> obedience dogs. In fact, when I purchased my Belgian Tervuren, I
|> looked for obedience potential first. Generally, if a dog has excellent
|> obedience potential, they will also have good conformation potential.
|> First and foremost, I look for a dog that will be a good addition
|> to our family and that means they must be trainable! The top dogs
|> are, as the American Belgian Terv Club says, those with an OTCh. on
|> one end and a Ch. on the other.                                         ht
|> 
|> Monna
|> 

Whoops, CH. *and* OTCH are both prefixes to the dog's name.

-Kayti

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From: grichardson@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: dog house construction
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:11:07 GMT

GSD Dog house info on size and building construction of an insulated 
dog house.
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Examples of not being rude.
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:36:30 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

It occured to me as I ended that msg that perhaps an example of
what we have been speaking of would help.  In the case of your
msg, Elaine, about the Dachshund, instead of saying what you did,
flaming the person who obviously genuinely cares about animals
and her friends, and this little dog who has had such a rough
start on life, you might have just said, "...in my opinion I 
feel that the dog should be put down.  It is just too dangerous
to have to expose the children to a dog like that..."

That would have very nicely given your opinion without your
having offended anyone.  And no, I am not trying to tell you
hwo to say things, I am just saying that it is getting tiring
to see you be so rude.  I guess it would not be so bad if you
did not feel you had to post in response to EVERY post that is
posted.  And since you do feel that way, it is much more evident.

Thanks.

Suzanne
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I have unfortunately had to deal extensively with my dog's fear of men, and
your situation is similar.  With the understanding that what works for one dog
may not work for another, allow me to say that I disagree with the the "get
tough and force him to jump" philosophy.  Read "don't shoot the dog" by Karen
Pryor to help you understand his behavior and come up with a program to help
him overcome his fear.  I ran into this while raising a puppy for CCI and the
trainers told me that first of all, this type of thing is very common.  They
even used your situation, fear of storm drains, as a common example.  They
said the number one most important thing is for the dog to be able to trust
that you, the alpha leader, will respect your dogs' limits.  Otherwise, he
will not be able to trust you.  But you can coax him to build confidence and
extend his limits.  The book will help you do that.  Pretend you're deathly
afraid of spiders.  You would not benefit by  your therapist covering your with
spiders.  You would instead have a desensitization program.  Examples... make
the dog walk on the street with the drain, but go on the other side of the 
street, not near the drain.  Reward, reward, reward.  In baby steps, make it
more challenging.  Go with a friend who will hold the dog on a sit/stay while
you walk over and stand on the drain, smiling, talking calmly, and return to
your dog (dog thinks "hmmmm, it didn't hurt HER.....").  Please make sure that
storm drain is NOT big enough for a paw.  I like the idea of teaching the dog
to jump, but that would come later, by substituting one behavior for another.
But first you want to build that confidence.  Good luck!
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Me too!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:50:29 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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: Finally, for those that have inquired, I am still interested in rescue
: organization information.  I have compiled a somewhat meager list of
: names and phone numbers and if there is sufficient interest I could
: post what I have before Christmas break.  However, I would really like
: to hear from any of you out there who have more information, undated
: information or whatever.  I have most of my info for the New England
: area and the S.F. Bay area.  I am waiting for some Seattle info and 
: would like to see some Midwest info come my way.  Thanks to all who have
: sent me what I have and keep it coming.  

I will try to get info for the lower Michigan area.

Karen
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pups and choke collars
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:08:35 GMT
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: A choke collar is ok on a puppy - if he's strong he won't pull quite
: as hard on the leash when you walk (he'd be even more comfortable in
: a harness, wouldn't he).  Don't use it for corrections though, not
: because of anything physical but because he won't understand it.
: I asked my vet, long ago, about this.

A harness will tend to teach a dog to pull.  What it does is give the dog
something to pull against, which is why they are used for sledding,
tracking and the like.  An alternative to a choke collar is the Halti,
which is similar to the halter for a horse.  The Halti should not be
used for corrections.  It works on the principle that the body will follow
the head.  If used correctly, it can be a gentle way to educate a dog
on the matter of leash manners.

: and it sounds to me so much like what typically happens when a ``motivational''
: method fails.

Motivational methods usually fail when people want too much, too soon.
They tend to take more time, and lots of people would rather use the 
quicker jerk and pull.  Too bad.  

: (There are some breeders who say don't start formal training until the
: dog is a year old so the bones can form, but you'll find that some
: of the muscles have been forming too of course - maybe the advice about
: severe corrections is parasitic on this old view.  Start at six months.)

Training can start at a very early age, as all you want to do is let the
dog learn what the words/signals mean.  You can make it a game with a 
puppy.  My German Shepherd knew her drop on recall at 6 months, because
we play taught.  Don't try to teach a young pup stay though, it's 
asking a lot.  We taught "wait" first.  Wait for us means to stay
where you are, but not in one position as a stay does.  Gaia learned to
wait outside of the horses' stalls while I fed them. The big thing
is to break the actions down and set the dog up for success.  

Karen

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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Nutro Max -- Good or Bad?
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:12:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164603.16880@b30.ingr.com>,
scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (G. Scott Downey) writes:
|>I've recently switched dog foods to Nutro-Max and have been
|>feeding the amounts specified on the bag.  Prior to my switch,
|>my vet had told me that the dogs were the perfect size -- not
|>too fat or thin.  Now that I've switched, the boys eat more
|>eagerly, but are dropping weight.  Should I increase the 
|>amount that I feed?  Should I trash this Nutro Max stuff and
|>go back to my old brand?
|>
|>All advice solicited.
|>
|>			G. Scott Downey
|>			Moses' Daddy (RottMonster)
|>			Job's Daddy Too (Lab)
|>
|>P.S.  If it makes any difference, it's the lamb/rice 

Well, I feed both our 2.5 yr old Cocker and our 4.5 month old GSD
Nutro Mac (adult for her, puppy for him). We haven't had any 
problems with either of them. Baeki (the Cocker) loves the stuff and
of course, Siegfried, well, he loves anything that resembles food. :)
We got some samples of the stuff from the feed store once and had 
a little informal food test and Baeki (out of three bowls of dog food,
she's not a chow hound) chose the regular formula Nutro over
Science Diet (she hated that stuff) and the Lamb & Rice.  Neither of
the dogs are thin or fat, they're just right, if you ask me.  We feed
Siegfried all he'll eat, so we've never gone by the bag...

Of course, different dog foods do different things to different dogs!

Kay & Crew

From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:41:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Opinions on dog sleeping arrangements
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I strongly support dogs sleeping in the same room with their owner.  The
Monks of New Skete believe it strengthens the bond, and I agree.  My main
reason for doing it is my husband and I both work full time, and we don't
get to spend as much time with our dogs as we would like to.  So allowing
them to sleep in our room makes them feel like they get more "pack time" with
us.

I might add that we do not allow them on the bed.  But we have been known
to visit them on the floor for a quick snuggle session.
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Kong???
Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:18:34 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Sue Gorski (sueg@ssec.wisc.edu) wrote:
: 	I haven't seen this dog toy discussed here, so I thought I'd
: ask what the general consensus is about a "kong" (or tuffy) dog toy.

Gaia thinks that it is the best toy in the world.  Random thinks it is
pretty neat, but not as good as her soft toys.

:  He also is a power chewer, will go through a rawhide bone (14 inch size) in say 8
: hours.  We have had one kong for 6 months, he chews on it all the time
: but never really get's anywhere.  

Gaia's record for the destruction of the original, black kong is 1.5 days.
By destruction, I mean into 3 sections.  More normal is for the top to
be removed in 1-2 days and for the rest to follow in 1-2 weeks.  Our longest
lasted in 2/3 form for about 3 months--that was the first.  I just take
away parts as they are removed.  Nyla bones only last for a matter of hours.

Karen, Gaia and Random


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