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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:53:00 -0400
From:         Song Weaver <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: button your fly

>Julie:
>
>I'm just wondering this from a strategic viewpoint.  Does the national
>gay rights organization (could you refresh my memory on the name?  I
>think it used to be NGRA--but I thought it changed?)...

There are many nation gay rights orginzations, but you may be thinking
of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF).

>have a strategy
>for dealing with the fact that local United Way organizations make
>their own individual decisions as to what to fund?

Probably not, but you might want to check with NGLTF representative.
Since I'm not a member of the organization, I can't really speak for
it.

>The national
>can do one thing and the local another--is that a problem?

I'll speak to this because it's about boycotts in general.  No
organization will be "perfect" by anybody's (including their own)
standards.  Sometimes you have to live with the best that you can do.
The United Way funds some very gay-positive organizations here in
Rhode Island.  For example, they provide a sliding scale for a local
theraputic agency which has a good number of gay and lesbian clientele
and does not attempt to "cure" them of their homosexuality, so I am
glad for the United Way's involvement in that specific organiztion but
I do not know what else they fund.  I gather from what you wrote that
they aslo fund Planned Parenthood, which I also feel to be a positive
thing.  All in all, individual localities can boycott on their own and
with the help of some national organizations they may be able to add a
lot of fuel to their boycott efforts.  Sorry-- that's the best answer
I can give you right now, but I may have more to say later.

--Julie

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From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Gorf [sic] & Clinton
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Today's NYTimes has an article & supporting timeline detailing
the change of stance on abortion by Gorf & Clinton.

P.S.

Has anyone else suspected the reason they are riding in a bus instead
of a train is that Clinton's nickname would change from
Slick Willie to Boxcar Willie?

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I saw a news report a few days ago about transplant surgery in Hong
Kong and Southern China.

Hong Kong has the same problem as the rest of the world that there are
people with money needing transplants and no suitable organs
available.

Aparently some of them are now being shipped off to Southern China for
these transplants where organs are available. They are available
because the former owners of them have been executed (In China
executions are carried out by a bullet in the back of the head, with a
bill for the bullet going to the family of the executee [if the word
exists]).

This arrangement has several advantages. The transplant patient can be
sure that the kidney/liver/whatever he is getting is really fresh, and
hasn't had to be flown hundreds of miles. The executed and family can
feel his/her death has not been in vain. And the executing authority
get hundreds (thousands) of dollars  for the organs.

Perhaps some of you enterprising types in the US could pick up on this
idea, given the steady growth in executions being carried out there.
Of course, lethal gas and injection and, probably, the electric chair
would have to be dropped in favour of something like a bullet or
hanging, but it might help the budgets of some of these Southern
states. And it would add a twist to the miscarriage of justice
debates, being able to parade individuals saying "look these people
wouldn't be alive if it weren't for X's being executed".

What do net members think?

Dunstan

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
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From:         Song Weaver <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the upcoming war

For Bush to use a war to boost reelection potential I believe would be
quite foolish.  I doubt that he would get any _additional_ support from
people who would sway their vote simply on the notion that we are in a war
because I think he's got that support already.  Furthermore, I doubt that
many people will even get worked up about the idea of another war because
they are too damned busy worrying about their own lives which George himself
has categorically ignored throughout his presidency.

--Julie
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:07:00 CST
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: N-tickets

Now all we need is Lois and Liese, and their rightist counterparts Stimely
and Sultan, and most of the crew would be here again! Welcome back, Drew and
Dan, Gary and Jimbo! VMS
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From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject: RE: Is Quayle pro-choice?

On Sun, 26 Jul 1992 09:22:13 EDT K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU> said:
> OK, let's hear the rest of the "truth" from you.
>
> >> FACT: He did not say he would support her, rather, he would
> >>       support her decision.
>
> > False.  He said "I would support my *daughter*."
>
> False.  He said "I would ... support whatever decision she made."
> Mine is a DIRECT QUOTE typed word by word out of our local news-
> paper.  Is yours direct?  Where did you get yours?
I heard a playback of the Dan Quayle interview.  The emphasis on
"daughter" is his, not mine.

> >> exception is not a consistent position.  On the other hand,
> >> the positions of those who say "abortion is murder and should
> >> only be performed if the life (not health) of the mother is in
> >> danger" or those who say "no one is allowed the use of another
> >> person's body without her consent" are.
>
> > I don't know.  "Implied consent" to let a baby use your body is not the
> > same as implied consent to let the baby's use of your body destroy your
> > health.
>
> Let me get this straight.  You are saying a woman who is engaging
> in sex in order to get pregnant and have a baby has only consented
> that the baby uses her body but only if it does not affects her health.
Well, I mean, yeah.  I think pregnancy is a recognizable risk when
having sex.  I don't hold to the notion that you can get pregnant by
*accident*--even blondes know better (I think :)).  However, a preg-
nancy posing a severe threat to the mother's health is not a recogniz-
able risk.  When that happens, it is *truly* an accident.
(Headliner: Justice Kidd, Supreme Court adopt RECOGNIZABLE RISK
standard :))

> to know how you arrived at that conclusion.  And what if the second
> woman's pregnancy is affecting the woman's mental health?  What
> about the risk of normal delivery on one's physical health.
Well, that is for doctors to determine.  But how many pregnancies cause
women to go insane??  Not many, IMHO.


> --KAT
-Travis
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MacPhil:
>Women can't choose/control their sex partner(s) ?

Some can.  In theory, I suppose all can.  In practice, though, many (don't
know whether this is some, many, or most :)) can't.

Kerry
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From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Baker running Bush campaign
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On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:15:21 EDT todd pukanecz said:
>There are rumors that Bush is asking Baker to take a "leave of absence"
>as secretary of state in order to run the Bush/Quayle campaign.  At
>first I thought this was a fairly cheesy tactic as part of Bush's

Several of the national news broadcasts mentioned this last evening as
part of the dual question regarding Baker's future involvement and
whether Quayle would still be on the ticket as Baker & Quayle
don't exactly get along.

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From:         Song Weaver <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: button your fly

>Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of amusing that the national
>gay rights organization (sorry, the name escapes me at the moment) is
>calling for a boycott of the United Way for its support of the Boy
>Scouts at the same time that the National Right to Life Committee
>is already boycotting the United Way for its support of Planned
>Parenthood?

You probably are the only one who thinks it's funny because it's not
true.  The United Way voted to cut Boy Scout funding early this year
because of their homophobic policies, hence there is no need for us to
boycott them.

--Julie

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                          -- Hermann Goering, 1936
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:57:48 CDT
From:         Sue Clark <SACLARK@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re:_this just in!

The N's, Y's and E's don't have Nebraska yet!  We are more familiar with
the name 'Kerry' than 'E'xon recently.  However, this 'Kerry' ticket would
certainly be more honorable than the 'Kerry' boondoggle we just witnessed.

And I am not to sure about 'coNNecticut' either, you will have to ask Brett.

But, pErot you can have, all of You, NoNcommitEds out there!

Sue Clark
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From:         Song Weaver <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: capital punishment/abortion

>...human life is too valuable to waste,
>except when defending and protecting the State.

What is there about "The State" which makes it more important than an
individual's life?  Who has chosen this "State" to be an entity more
powerful than life itself?  If you believe that the interests of
protecting "the State" are so essential, why do you not feel the same
way about "The Woman?"  If you have the right to define "The State" as
an entity which needs protecting to the point of State-Sponsored
execution then why can you not allow "The Woman" to protect herself to
the point of something which you might consider "Woman-Sponsored
Murder"?

> I do not consider
>killing people who have behavioral problems to be protecting the State.
>People with behaviroal/societal/whatever problems can be rehabilitated
>and helped to return to a normal position society.

How do you define a "normal position" in terms of human behavior and
who is to decide what behavior of an individual requires any degree of
"rehabilitation"?

Also -- who _would_ you kill to protect the state, if they had no
"behavioral problems"?

>I believe that
>this is possible in a number of ways, one of which is through
>religious counseling.
>
>-j.b.

What would "religious counseling" do to "rehabilitate" someone.  What
would the specific goals of such counseling be?  How would it work?
What other methods would you suggest and what would their goals be?

--Julie
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: questions for tkidd
              31 Jul 1992 12:51:37 GMT from <jwales@COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Jimbo:

We can continue this off list if you like, but where did Aristotle
get *his* ethics?
                 --Missy Prez 2 B
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?
              27 Jul 1992 12:02:51 GMT from <pmoloney@MATHS.TCD.IE>

Paul:

You are incorrect.  Quayle is right.  If a D & C is done *immediately*
after a rape (key word: immediately), there is almost no chance that
conception has taken place, if the D & C is done within 72 hours of
intercourse.  Sperm and egg do *not* meet instantaneously.  It takes
a *little* time.
                --MJ
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From:         Ghost of Abbie <AHOFFMAN@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      CD's and government interference

We absolutely oppose government interference in your personal life! CD's
should be accessible to everyone, more relevent is that CD player's ought
also to be more inexpensive! Vote DuncaN/HoffmaN! Abbie
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From:         "push the button, frank!" <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AIDS hyperbole

From: todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
>Friday's NBC news mentioned the conference as a segue into a story about
>sex education in the Netherlands.  From age 12 on, public school students
>are given the biological facts of reproduction, instructions on condom
>use, and the ramifications of sex.  The teens interviewed felt they
>weren't being encouraged to have sex.  The results of the education are
>rates of abortion and teen pregnancy that are 1/10th those of the US.

This reminds me...Bill Dickson was telling me about watching a news program
that was discussing the country with the lowest incidence of STDs in the
world and how they educated their children.  They followed a model much
the same as the Netherlands (I think maybe they started a bit younger).

The name of the country?  Yep, that place that Larry Stimely suggested
we of the radical ilk should go...Denmark.

>    todddddddddd

Gary W. Olson                 "The choice is obvious, there is no choice,
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: dumping Dan: myth or reality?
              22 Jul 1992 14:35:24 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU>

Kerry:

I think that replacing Quayle would be a positive move *if* Quayle
voluntarily removed himself from the ticket and was not perceived
as having been *dumped*, and if Kemp were to take his place.  (I'm
sure there are plenty of other high-impact positions Quayle could
bargain for in the new administration.)  However, if Bush is perceived
as *betraying* Quayle for political expedience, he will lose the
hard-core conservatives (and any others who feel that Bush's treatment
of Quayle was untoward.)  I like Quayle, but I like Kemp more.  And
Bush is on thin ice with conservatives, so he would have to be very
very careful about any such substitution.
                                         --Missy Justice
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      the local news comedy 1/2 hour

a couple nights ago i actually had a minute to myself, so i sat down in front
of the tv to watch the local news hoping to catch the weather....don't know
why, since its been raining for the week and it will probably keep raining
forever and i'll start to mildew anytime now.....
(sorry, i get carried away)

anyway, ya know how the anchor guys/gals are always making their little comments
after stories to show how really bright and with-it they are?
well, there was a story abt. a baby (est. age 1 1/2 hrs old) found on the door
step in a small local neighborhood.
they had all the requisite bites of neighbors exclaiming their horror and
concern.
they had hospital personnel cooing on how cute and healthy the baby was.
they had pictures of the baby.
they had cops saying they had no clue as to who the mother was.

well, anyway, it was an upsetting story (you have to remember, i cry at touching
commercials, so.....)

pan back to perfectly coiffed anchor man, who's well thought out response to
story was

"hmmph"

god, the news is such a hoot.

love,
-linda   (friday beer count-down commencing........NOW)
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: ratings for tv

um, i think tv (at least the network channels, don't know abt. cable), have
certain regulations that are across the board. like no full-frontal nudity,
no one can use the "f" word, etc. they have censors who are supposed to
make sure all the shows conform to these general standards.

the movie industry has the rating system so that people can figure from the
ratings if this is the kind of show to take the kids to or not.

now, whether you think the fcc regulations of network tv is adequate, too
restrictive or not restrictive enough, well, that's of course debatable. then
of course, you musn't forget that most tv's have an on/off switch, which is
a valuable feature to have when you don't like what you're watching.

it's also a really powerful disciplinary tool when you're kids are being
rotten to you ;)

-linda
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From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Questions, questions
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:43:15 EDT jcs said:

>who was it who said that you can't expect people to pull
>themselves up by the bootstraps when they have no boots?
>(little shoe alliteration for y'all)

I'm puzzled.  Where is the alliteration in this?

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:08:00 EDT
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Subject:      Credits for "From the SC Law Review"

Author: Linda O. Smiddy
Copyright 1991 by the University of South Carolina


-Travis
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Obfuscation Elimination

Philosopher General sounds better than Secretary of Thought; the latter
sounds like a position in the Politburo.  Peter, are you attempting to
set up a Marxist state?

Evelyn
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From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sex and marriage, sex and marriage, go to . . .

Somebody needs to say this; so even if it costs
the JohnsoN/OlsoN ticket in the polls....

Travis?  You are a moron.

Thank you, and goodnight.

         -Tim"repeat offender"J

(Val, I know that's what you had in mind, but you
remain, even at your worst, too polite ... and not
quite as concise. ;-)
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From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to defeat AIDS
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              21 Jul 1992 10:25:37 CST from <ST4226@SIUCVMB.SIU. EDU>

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:25:37 CST Sean Mills said:
>FROM: Sean Mills
>
>I have a suggestion as how to reduce the number of AIDS cases that exist at
>this time.
>
>(1) Avoid premarital sex
>(2) Avoid adultery

>Now I realize that AIDS can be transmitted by other means than by sex, such as
>giving blood in which an infected needle was used. But to the best of my

It appears you are preparing a list to separate the guilty from the innocent
(as in "didn't do anything 'wrong' to receive or transmit the virus") so
you should include (3) Avoid intravenous drug use.

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