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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Rypien?  Is he the next Schroeder 
Organization: AT&T
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:14:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.122048.4711@ncsu.edu> tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP) writes:
>Many times, Rypien tries to force balls into coverage.  Lets not forget 2
>years ago against SF in the NFC Divisional Playoffs.  The Redskins drove
>inside the 20 3 times in the 2nd half before throwing critical interceptions.
That was then. Ryp still had trouble reading defense back then. Hey, people
grow and learn.

>Even last season, his lack of patience cost the Dallas game.
No problem. I can tolerate one bad game per season from my quarterback. Ryp
was pretty consistent throughout last season.

>I will attribute Rypiens poor play on Monday night to a lack of training camp,
>a failure to establish the running game and general poor play by the OL.
So will I. Ryp and the offensive line were clearly out of sync. His throwing
touch wasn't there. A lot of passes were one-hoppers and overthrows. 

But his problem is common among holdout quarterbacks. Players who just sign
big-fat contracts usually don't have it. I expect an injury from his 
out-of-conditioned body. We can throw this season down the drain. 
Better wait until next year.

>But I seriously doubt if Rypien will ever lead the Skins back to the SB again
>because I dont believe he is a superstar QB.  To win an SB, you need a
>superstar at QB.  
That used to be true, until Jim McMahon, Doug Williams, and Hoss destroyed
this myth. You don't need a superstar QB to win the SB, you need a QB who
plays great during a 3-game stretch in January. Even Doug Williams, as 
inconsistent as he is throughout his career, was able to manage that hot
streak.

>I know what youre going to say, the Skins have never had a
>superstat at QB, yet they won the SB three times.  Clearly, they played
>inferior teams.  As noted by some of the scores of the games.
Well, super teams (85 Bears, 84 49ers, 89 49ers, 86 Giants, 87 49ers) do not 
emerge every year. What if there is no super team that year? somebody 
still has to win the Superbowl. In the years the Skins won the SB, do you
notice that there was no super team? or that somebody did the dirty work
for them (the 87 Vikings eliminating the favored 49ers)? In other words, 
when the championship is up for grabs, Joe Gibbs can usually rally his 
troops to win it. When there is a clearly superior team, Joe Gibbs has 
no chance.

Give Gibbs credit for keeping his team near the top to have a chance.

>Rypien ... is he a Jay Schroeder??  No probably not that bad(nobody is that
>bad, probably Marinovich if he couldnt beat out Schroeder), but I dont
>believe he is in the Joe Montana/Phil Simms mold either.
Nobody is Joe Montana. Phil Simms? probably. Schroeder? Schroeder hasn't
led his team to a championship yet. The last time he was there (a strong
arm mad-bomber), he lost to the Giants 3 times. 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Bucs coach
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:23:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.024606.1590@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>
>>Yeah,  I know for a fact that the "official" NFL stance is that the
>>1979 Buccaneers is the team that made the expansion-to-playoff team
>>transition the fastest.
>
>Now for some real trivia....does anyone know the fastest expansion-to-
>playoff team in major league sports?
>
   Didn't KC's Royals make it pretty quick?

   --salty


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Bucs question
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:43:15 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <14SEP199209425940@summa.tamu.edu> burt@summa.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez) writes:

   There was a player with the Bucs last year named Robert Wilson.  Does anyone
   know the status of this player.  Is he on injured reserved or was he cut
   from the team?????  I've checked the stats for the 2 previous games, and he
   didn't seem to play!   Help.

He was a stud in college, and was clearly one of the brightest young
fullbacks in the league last year.  He was cut about two weeks ago, and is
apparently still sitting.  PFW had a short blurb on him speculating that
there was a 'hidden' story that would come out to explain why he was cut, and
not picked up by anybody.  Don't know if its true, though.

Bill
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:52:41 GMT

Jay Lawlor ~ (jlawlor@ptdi12.intel.com) wrote:
: So maybe it's not correct to say Cofer lost the game for them but
: rather that a good kicker would have won the game for them.
                                       ~~~
Or, maybe, "tied"?
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From: gogo@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (donald.gogolin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Webster Slaughter holdout will be LOOOONG
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:51:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep11.125909.2366@cbnews.cb.att.com>, cfh@cbnews.cb.att.com (chuck.himmelspach) writes:
> In article <18oq74INNesv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
> > 
> 
> I feel sorry for Bernie. A lot of people think that he's on the downside of
> his career and worse yet, think that he IS the problem. I'd like to see how
> a healthy Joe Montana could operate behind the current Browns line throwing
> to their current crop of receivers.
> 

Yeah, It's kind of tough to throw accurate passes from a 45/135 degree angle
to the ground depending on the side you're hit from!

.
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Mo. Carthon
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:16:01 GMT

Larry Simmons (larry@aecom.yu.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Sep9.154618.21297@europa.asd.contel.com> (Brian) writes:
> >
> > Maurice Carthon ... has proven he 
> >can catch the ball and run when given the opprtunity...
> 
> Since he came to the Giants in 1986, he has never shown that he could catch the
> ball *consistently*. I have vivid memories of him dropping the easy pass.
> 
OKay, i remember the pass he dropped in the NFC Championship game against
the 9ers 2 yrs ago in the endzone, but he was still a good blocker.

> >I can't believe the 
> >Giants left him unprotected in Plan B.. he's still a solid player...
> 
> He is probably the best blocking back in the league - still.  However, that's
> about all he was good at with the Giants and Handley (in his divine wisdom)
> apparently didn't think that was enough.

Unless Bunch does the job...


> ---
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: TNT Announcers / Bronco Comments
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:52:44 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Sep8.014939.25644@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>The announcers for the Bronco game last night were some of the worst I've
>ever heard.


Well now that the season has started, we can expect more of these complaints
about announcers. Soon they will be clogging the airwaves and it will become
an contest to see whether this group has more football or announcer articles.

How about starting a newsgroup for those who want to talk about announcers?
Otherwise, let's try to keep the announcer stuff to a minimum!!!!


Tom

(BTW - Nothing against David, just that his article popped up while I was
thinking about it)
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: DANNY NOONAN CUT?
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:16:48 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <2449@unet.UUCP> asgari@ssc01.net.com (Asgari Roger) writes:
>
>
>		At first I thought my ears were deceiving me but upon   
>	looking at the tube my eyes did not; DN was released according 
>	to ESPN's Sportscenter.


It is true because its in the local morning paper. The Cowboys said they
were "baffled" by their inability to trade Noonan, and with Maryland
ready to play sunday, they decided to release him.

I don't know how the waiver system works as to who gets first crack\
at signing him, but if I were a betting man I would suspect the Phoenix
Cards would try to get him for 2 reasons. 1) IMHO Noonan is better than
Jim Wahler who currently starts at the nose(where I believe Noonan is
best) and they don't want Eric Swann to play there(although he plays
it quite well, they prefer him at end). 2) the Cards are playing the
Cowboys this sunday so obviously picking up Noonan could be beneficial
to preparing for the game.

I'd be surprised if Noonan were unemployed for very long, because he's
still good enough to be in the league, just not worthy of such a high 
pick.




Russ Smith
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From: bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: Niner's look good (IMHO)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:14:59 GMT

In article <ELM.92Sep7010852@joyride.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>The true test for the Niners will come next week when they play the
>Bills.  I'd be surprised if the Giants manage to stay above .500 this
>year, given their 6 games against the Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles.
>
>ethan

Yup. The Niners beat a mediocre (ouch!) Giants team, in a game that was closer
than the final score might indicate. It was, after all, only 24-14 SF in
the 4th, the Giants had the ball and were moving -- then Simms INT, SF TD, game
over for all intents and purposes.  Bills-SF game should be a good, wish it
were on TV here in NE, but I'll be happy with Cowboys-Giants and Pats-Rams.
If Dal-NY gets out of hand, I can always switch to Raiders getting surprised
by Bengals in Cincinnati!

Bruce Smith


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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: QB ratings, week 1
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:31:06 GMT

kt> Ken Tokuno

kt> May I suggest changing your criterion for listing the ratings to 5 per
kt> game?  No halfback is going to throw anywhere near that often and you'll
kt> lose a lot of solid back-up performances with a number as high as ten.

  Ten is already quite low. Indeed, of all the QBs I listed for week 1, only
  Frank Reich and Stan Humphries were close to 10 attempts.  Everyone else I
  listed had at least 20, with Warren Moon tops at 45.

  Besides, only 5 attempts is really too few to determine a QB's efficiency.
  At that low figure, the formula breaks down. Like I said, however, I am
  keeping track of all QBs' stats, so in case a backup becomes a starter, his
  under-10-attempts games will show up in his cumulative ratings.

--
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strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: mdh@mlb.semi.harris.com (Mark Hanson)
Subject: Re: Webster Slaughter holdout will be LOOOONG
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:48:23 GMT
Reply-To: mdh@mlb.semi.harris.com (Mark Hanson)
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne, Fl.

Man, you gotta be dreamin'
Nobody, I mean Nobody is gonna give up those type of people and
picks for Webster Slaughter. Certainly not Richmond Webb, Mark Duper,
and some draft picks (just to help out the Browns).
It's a dog eat dog world out there.
A beat up old receiver like Slaughter might get Louis Oliver and
a mid round pick at best out of the Dolphins.
The other suggested trades are just as bad.
What type of drugs are you on anyway???

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From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: Updates??
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:40:04 GMT

eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:

>If the net was 'live wire' news I would find it nice to have 'updates' posted
>about games. BUT IT ISN'T! It seems like a very big waste of bandwidth to post
>8-10 (or more) updates about games in progress since by the time most people
>get them they know the score and have even seen highlights.

>Just my .02 cents worth.

>Eric

Well some of us do read the net more than once a day.  And those of us
who have to work on Sundays appreciate the very timely updates.  

Leave my ten-minute ticker alone!  You don't have to read them...

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:35:48 GMT

From article <BuC9HL.LJs@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason):
> In article <1992Sep10.002551.9794@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
> 
>>|> 	I'm tired of those people who put any running back up against
>>|> Barry.  Barry is the best and those fans of any other RB will have to
>>|> wait until something bad happens to Barry.   As for outgaining Sanders
>>|> again this year...it could be.  As far as I'm concerned, Smith could win
>>|> the rushing title for the next five years, but he will never be as good
>>|> as Barry.  Sorry dude.  I know how much you don't like what I'm saying,
>>|> but the truth hurts sometimes, dammit.
>>|> 
>>|> 					- Tim
>>
>>       Show me the facts that proves Sanders is a better RB than Emmitt
>>  or Thurman, and I'll gladly jump on the Barry Bandwagon.  But, there's
>>  not one.  Sorry, dudette...
> 
> Oh, but Patrick, don't you know?  It's the way Barry "carries the
> ball."    Oh, and being a myopic fanatic helps.  Simplifying talent
> and the game also helps.
> 
> What I like is the way some people so completely miss the idea and
> actually prove the point.
> 
> 
> Gary Beason
> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu

Hey guys -

	What's the big deal?  How long do you want to play "My back is
better than your back"?  There are arguments and stats to prove that any
number of backs are the "best" back, but there is obviously no real way
of determining who is best by simply looking at the numbers.  IMHO, I
think that Barry is the most exciting and explosive back in the NFL
today.  Emmitt Smith is right up there with him, as is Thurman, but I
happen to think that Barry is the man right now.

	Other people will see Emmitt or Thurman as better.  Cool.  That
seems within the realm of reason.  If someone came out and said that
Okoye was the best back, then I might be inclined to strongly disagree.

	My original response was purely written to get the original
poster pissed off.  He said that he was sick of hearing how great Barry
was and that Emmitt didn't get the respect he deserved.  Well, that
seemed like an open invitation to push some more Barry in his face.

	In all truth, I could really care less who likes who better, and
you should treat my opinion the same - who cares?  Oh yeah, you're a
bigger dudette than me!

					- Tim
From: v077mdph@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49er/Bills
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <y0xnhcg.xtifr@netcom.com>, xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes...
>In <1992Sep14.003242.1493@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.
lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>>In probably the most entertaining game of the day, the Buffalo Bills'
>>offense outlasted the 49ers' offense, winning the game 34-31 after
> 
>Sheesh, it is just me?  Am I the only one who finds this type of
>offensive shootout, with no defense by either team, to be just as boring
>as a defensive struggle that ends in a 3-0 win?

	I don't know if it's just you, but I don't see why you can't enjoy a
good football game.
	It isn't that there was "no defense."  It was simply that the defenses
were overpowered by the offenses.  Buffalo survived by creating turnovers.  As a
fan of the Bills, my biggest worry is Bruce Smith:  he simply isn't playing like
he used to.

[stuff deleted]

>Buffalo's offense earns an A, SF's offense earns an A-.  Buffalo's
>defense earns a D, and SF's defense earns a D-.  I would not be
>heartened by this game if I were a fan of either team.  (Hmm, gee, I am
>a fan of one of those teams--how 'bout that...)
> 
>Still, even with lousy D, Buffalo earns a checkmark in the W column. 
>When it comes down to it, that's what really counts.  Buffalo is used to
>having lousy D, and rising above it.  SF may have to learn to do the
>same if they want to get anywhere this year.

	I wonder if you're one of those people who talked so much about how
Buffalo's offense failed against the Broncos in the playoffs last year?  Do
you remember how the Bills won BECAUSE of their defense, not DESPITE their
defense?  It's not the best, but the Buffalo defense performs.

>Cheers to Marv and the boys, who've proven time and again that they can
>win on offense alone.  Jeers to Seifert, who's let most of the SF
>defense move to LA to play wearing silver and black.
>-- 
>Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
>xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!

Snoopy
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From: edg@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (edwin.g.green)
Subject: Re: Oilers vs. Colts - Impressions, Stats pls.!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:55:55 GMT

In article <JEFF.92Sep15032329@neuron.cs.tamu.edu> Jeff@cs.tamu.edu writes:
>IMHO, the Oilers played well both offensively and defensively.  Moon was
>on target (29 of 39 for 361, 2 TD), White effective enough (69 yds on 17
>carries), and the defense was effective (total yardage was 419 to 162).

You forgot to mention that your defense spent most of the game looking
at the Colts' third string light-weight (Tom Tupa) at QB.

>The Oilers seemed to be executing the run-and-shoot in near optimal ball
>control fashion, but with one glaring exception.  Their sputtering
>performances inside the so-called red zone left a lot to be desired. 

Agree with your assessment of the r&s.  This offense exploits the Colts'
biggest defensive weakness--their secondary.  The secondary was hurt from
the outset when Ashely Ambrose fractured his ankle on the opening kick-off.
On many plays I noticed that Chip Banks (4 sacks last week and 1 this week)
was on the sides because he wasn't fast enough to keep up with your fast
receivers.  Quentin Coryatt was on the sides frequently as well.  The result
was an almost non-existent pass rush.  You can't give Moon the opportunity
to look for more than 3 seconds.

>                                                                      It
>is seems the Oilers need to come up with better strategies for how to
>handle a given team, and given defense inside the 20 yard line.  Their
>ability to finish off long drives was was not very convincing.  This
>game really should have been a blowout.

No it should not have been a blowout.  While Houston has an excellent
offense when they can spread the field, they are not as effective when
they are inside the 20.  The Colts are not in the same class as the
Oilers (largely due to Moon).

>
>Final score was Oilers 20 Colts 10.

Should have been 20 to 3.

>--
>           Jeff Goldberg                        
>           College Station, Texas       

Ed
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From: mrein3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Matt Rein #3)
Subject: VIKINGS QUESTION
To: rec.sport.football.pro
Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12: 35:06 cdt
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:35:06 GMT
Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12: 35:17 CDT

> 
> Can anyone tell me why all the sudden, Hassan Jones has become the leading
> receiver for the Vikes?  What's happened to Chris Carter?  Is he hurt, 
> slumping, or in the doghouse?          
> 
> Thanks.
> Wayne.
> 
It is just working out that way now.  If you put double coverage on a guy
who are you gonna put it on?  Hassan Jones or Anthony Carter?
By the end of the year, if nobody gets hurt, AC will be number one, CC will
be number two and Jones number three.

--
- Matt Rein
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: So how did the Bucs-Cards game look?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:37:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.021603.6017@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>I saw on ESPN NFL Primetime that the Buccaneers romped on the Cardinals 
>today but they didn't really show enough to get a good feel for how the
>game went.  Did the Bucs look like they routed the Cards as much as the
>score suggested?  Is there any reason to get my hopes up?
>
>More importantly, who do they play next week?  Beating Phoenix is not that
>big a deal, so I assume that game will be more revealing.
>

Well, one counterpoint, anyone who plays this Phoenix team with Rosenbach
healthy that doesn't generate the pass rush  we got on Sunday is going to
have their hands full.   The domination of the Cardinals in this game was
much moreso than the score indicates.  The most revealing statistics dur-
ing the game were:  2.8 yards per rush,  181 yards total offense,  and 61
yards rushing for Phoenix.  Johnny Johnson could have helped Phoenix make
this a closer game. That's why, with Floyd's stunting defense, by the 3rd
Rosenbach was on the way to the hospital.   Reason for hope?   Right now,
the Buccaneers still have less than half of Sam's playbook in place. Next
up?  Green Bay.  FOOTBALL!!
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