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From: gck@hector.uucp (24641-kemmerling)
Subject: Re: AMC: TAN-Is anyone reading?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:59:34 GMT

> CAZ are my initials, thanks for asking! Where do you live?
> 
> While I'm here - hey all you new posters, tell us tidbits about yourselves,
> what you do (if you want to!), do you have a cat or a dog? who's your
> favorite character or anything else you want! I'm interested!

I have no idea if this will get out, but...My husband and I just moved
to New Jersey in March from the Chicago suburbs and will be here for
3 years.  I work in a user support center for a large database.  We have
a big black cat named Boo and are trying to furnish our new house here.
It's bigger than what we had so it's keeping us pretty busy.  As far as
a favorite character?  I guess it would have to be Jackson. 
  
Thanx for asking!

Gayle

p.s. please someone let me know if this gets out
From: joyce@deco.csd.sgi.com (Joyce Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Where is everybody?
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:16:43 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

it's hard to get excited about a soap that is about to get yanked from the air.
but i thought i'd let you know i read your post...
-- 




          joyce richards        PSE       
          joyce@csd.sgi.com     Silicon Graphics, Inc.

  "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work,
   I want to achieve immortality through not dying." -- Woody Allen
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leesa J Kern)
Subject: Re: ATWT - Lurker No More!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:30:29 GMT

Oh, boy!  I can't wait for our lunch next week :)

KernL

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Leesa J. Kern                          lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Dept. of Sociology, OSU

With all the socialization I've gone through, it's hard to say whose ideas are
expressed here!
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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Larry and Lisanne
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:26:55 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

kjs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (kelly.smith) writes:


>Hello all.  I was thinking yesterday after watching the show
>and Lisanne and Larry have me a bit perplexed.  What is the
>point of this relationship?  The basis is only sex.  These

I think that's the point.  I think they are supposed to be
the villians and as such, they don't get to have romantic
encounters, only raw sex.

>two, IMHO, had potential but have been ruined by constant
>tumbles in bed.  Another thing that annoys me is how Larry
>can get Lisanne to do whatever she wants.  It's like Larry
>says jump, she says how high.  And that scene on the docks

I know I would.  :)

>with Roger Lombard???  Oh please.  If she so clever, why didn't
>she have someone else get Lombard to do it?  He could easily
>point the finger at her.  How stupid.  I also can't stand the
>way she squints into the camera when she's trying to look
>calculating.

No, actually, I agree with you. Lisanne is pretty stupid when it comes
to Larry.

>What I am trying to say is this Larry and Lisanne thing is
>getting tiresome.  Am I the only one who thinks this?

I'm getting sick of the way they talk. Their speech pattern is so
annoying.  They break... up their sentences in stange... placesand...
put accents WHERE they don't ... mean... anything.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: peea224@chpc.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo)
Subject: Re: DOOL: TAN: Banana/Mango Bread
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 00:22:23 GMT

In article <l7gvfrINNsaq@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> hither@yohn.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.203742.10027@chpc.utexas.edu>, peea224@chpc.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo) writes:
>|> 
>|> PS:  Sis MJ Lime...sorry to have mislead you earlier but you do 
>|>      understand, right?  Thanks for sticking up for me in any case.  I 
>|>      certainly didn't mean anything about being with child when I made
>|>      that Lemon-in-Waiting comment.  :-)
>
>--Sis JJ Lemon - no problemo.  I tried to help you keep that secret but
>- I guess Toomces was just too anxious!!  MEN!
>
>	I think this is a no-win situation. If I keep my mouth shut,
>	I am an uncaring brute. If I say something, I am a blabbermouth.
>	Women!!

Oh, now, Sweetie...I never meant to imply in any way shape or form
that you were an uncaring brute.  You are far from that.  The
blabbermouth thing may be rather accurate, however...particularly in 
light of the sad news I had to impart earlier today.  I do hope we can 
get past that.  

Gosh...you know what would pick my spirits up right about now?  You
guessed it...a Rocketsled ride...sigh...

JJ Lemon.

| \____ ----- ____/           |  "Let's just be friends -- friends   |
|      ( o o )                |  who never talk or see each other."  |
|       \   /   Gus-ball!!    |      - David Letterman, 7-22-92      |
|        (_)  Hook 'em Horns! |       peea224@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu |
From: girl@slavery.EBay.Sun.COM (Mary Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: Ugliest Dress at Ajuleek's Garden party
Date: 21 Jul 1992 19:42:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: slavery.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Jul21.013640.25291@cognex.uucp> maria@cognex.uucp (Maria Buzalsky) writes:
>Sorry, couldn't help the spelling of the name.  I just started watching the
>garden party tape.  In order of ugliness:
>
>1.  Angelique

I agree dull dull dull!
I was hoping they would have her show up at the
party in a real knock out dress to make Erica Jealous.
Isn't her new hair color the same on e they used
on Ceara before she left?


>2.  Opal

I liked Opal's dress. Very elegant. For being known for wild costumes
she generally wears nice outfits at these functions


>3.  Talylor

I hate roses on dresses! I hate when I go out looking for a formal
and find something I like and then turn it around to see a big
flower stuck to it's butt!

>
>4.  Brooke

Can't say I remember what she wore
>
>5.  Taylor's mom, err, what's her name.


Too flashy




Mary
From: jarnolde@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (John Arnolde)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: news on the Mimbo front
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:54:29 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin

In article <1992Jul29.140947.1@us.oracle.com> kcastro@us.oracle.com writes:
>Bad news on the Mindy front:
>
>This is from the 8/4 issue of SOD
>
>Late Breaking News:
>
>Krista Tesreau (ex-Mindy, GL) will be joining the cast of SB, playing the
>ex-friend of Ken.  You all will be happy to note that they are changing
>the name of her from Barbie (no new name yet).
>
>
>However, why would anyone join the cast of a soap about to be cancelled?
>
Why? Because this is the best show on daytime tv.. All of you that watch other 
shows, take a look at Santa Barbara once, and you'll realize that this is not 
an ordinary show. It has some of the best writing and talent there is, and it's
funny to boot. They don't get into stories about spy's and psycho ex babysitters
and what not, they are more down to earth and real, the characters are not one
dimensional. Watch it. Enjoy.


>Kathy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: riddle@brahms.udel.edu (Tammy Riddle)
Subject: Re: DOOL: TAN: a response to Peach
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:06:30 GMT

In article <14vpciINNdsm@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.173836.18363@den.mmc.com> snoopy@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Cindy Newell) writes:
>>In article <Brqv62.2BK@news.udel.edu> riddle@brahms.udel.edu (Tammy Riddle) writes:
>>>>>>From: escheele@us.oracle.com ("Erik Scheele")
>>
>>[a lot of people wrote and I deleted alot]
>>
>>>baby,  STOP PICKING ON SHORT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>What's with you Core guys (EV and yourself), have you two nothing better to
>>>do than pick on the Peel sisters?  Gee, even though I didn't have the
>>>pleasure of meeting the Mad Poet with all of the other lucky ladies on the
>>>net, can I be taken into consideration as a member of his alternative
>>>net.ladies that Sister Kiwi seems to be starting?  I mean, geesh, the Mad
>>>Poet is always *so* nice to the Peel sisters, unlike others. :-)
>>>
>>>Oh, Tim, how original?  I must agree with Sister Banana and the Timinator,
>>>you did do a great job, Erik.  No, Tim, I'm not trying to get brownies
>>>points with Erik, so there! :-p  Phlbbbbbbtt!!!!
>>>
>>>--The Peachy One.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>
>
>
>Well yes I am back and after about a month of being mute I have decided to
>speak and to regain my title--my much deserved title at that.
>
>
>Okay, I must comment on what dear sister Peachie wrote. You know she
>seemed so abused, and all what she wrote in the past about Sour Lemon,
>all what she used to describe Sour, that she was odious, vile, evil,
>vile, villianous, the anti-christ, noxious, and so I believe. Then I
>met Peachie in DC. And I most say meeting the gang was really an enjoyment.
>I really thought Peachie was a bright, decent, sweet, lovely, saintly,
>caring, magnificent human being. But then I read this. Her so mean
>spirited slam at my height. Posting it in that manner, the hurtful 
>manner in which she did and then I am beginning to question her belief
>that Sour Lemon is in truth vile, odious, noxious, etc. For now I believe
>She is the evil seed of the famiglia, the adopted one, the true fourth
>sister of the Ickie, Carlips, and Scarrie family.  And for one
>thing dear sister Peach pit was wearing heels, while I was in flat
>flat shoes. And if she had taken off her shoes--which if my memory is
>correct as it always is she--did: I was equal to her, but in fact I believe
>I was slightly taller. So there the truth has come out. I am back and
>will not be insulted.....so there.
>
>
>
>Spud--
>-- 
>Sally A. Wilson               \\\\      In Heaven everything is fine....



Spudster....I wasn't picking on you, I was defending you.  Matter of fact,
I believe I told the Timinator on the phone the other night that you are
about one inch taller than me.  I told him to "STOP PICKING ON SHORT
PEOPLE."  Of course, since then I found out that Timster's not all that
tall either.  Geesh, I'm highly confused....I know, I know, what else is
new.  Really Spudster, I wasn't picking on you or trying to insult you...
geesh!!!

--A confused Peach
From: susanm@HP-AND.AN.HP.COM (Susan Margulies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: AMC: Monday's Show
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:55:33 GMT

Hey everybody!

I am back in the land of the living, having made significant
progress on my thesis research AND getting official MIT approval
from my advisor to get on with it!!! (that means he approved that
proposal that ruined my life last week)  Thanks to all who emailed
me with good wishes.

I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed Monday's show!  The ball
is really turning out to be quite a scene!  I love the Vivian-Olivia
interaction and the complications brought about by Olivia realizing
Vivian had something to do with her scholarship.  I TOTALLY LOVED
when Terrence told Hayley to grow up!  I also LOVED Dixie and
Brian's scenes together - they seem to work really well together.
And to make my day, the writers have seen the light and restored our
beloved Erica to her rightful personality.  I must again say that I
only like Erica and Dimitri together when they are fighting!  Or at
least I like them better when they are fighting!  I was soooo
psyched to see Dimitri taking in the whole Charlie and Erica game
and getting jealous.  I also thought it was neat the way Jack is so
aware of everything the woman does!  

In general, I am really happy with AMC right now.  I don't think we
are in the summer doldrums anymore!  Here's hoping the ball lasts
until Thursday (sheeah, right!) so I can update some of it!
(They do still have to have Galen and Carter come face to face,
right?)

Susan

--
Susan E. Margulies       |  So many bad drivers,
HP Imaging Systems       |  so few hand gestures.
508-681-2153 (work)      |      o o 
susanm@hp-and.an.hp.com  |     \___/
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: TAN-Is anyone reading?
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:35:33 GMT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Jul27.223537.13709@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> 
> Yo, Melissa--that there is a "Pauline Mugglie" (TM) sig, girl :) :)
                                              ^

Uh-oh, I must have been in a Dan Quayle stupor...I DO know how to spell your
name, Pauline!

Yo Helmers
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: gck@hector.uucp (24641-kemmerling)
Subject: Re: AMC: TAN-Is anyone reading?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:45:27 GMT


Since I just started reading not long ago I will apologize now if
I post something that has been posted before so please bear with
us new posters.

Thanks

Gayle
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: bohannon@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Brynne Bohannon)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:10:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.115715.8280@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> gck@hector.uucp (24641-kemmerling) writes:
>
>Boy, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm real tired of this 
>'series' of posts in the soaps news group.
>Gayle

	
        AMEN!!!
	
From: renees@hplsla.hp.com (Renee Slocumb)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:29:07 GMT
Subject: GH: Jeannie Francis return???
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps

I also heard the rumor that Jeannie Francis (ex-Laura) was offered
a contract back with GH.  Last I heard she hadn't accepted or rejected
the offer.

Rumor has it, if she does return, they may have Bill run into her
and have them do some acting together, if it works he may start having
flash backs and "test the waters" to see how the audience responds
to having Bill and Laura togheter, or maybe even get Luke back into
the picture somehow.

Hope that made sense??
Renee 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: wlh@cbnews.cb.att.com (wanda.l.howland)
Subject: Re: SB
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:42:53 GMT

In article <9207291341.AA15533@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> shiva%morpheus%Servers@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM writes:
>Before I start my bi-weekly rant (:-)) I'd like to tell ALL the SB posters 
>that I read and enjoy everything, whether or not I respond to it.  

Me too!  Some days you're lucky to find time to *read* much less
respond to some posts!
 
>Also, did anybody else get one segment of the show broadcast twice?  I think 
>it was meant to be the end, but they also showed it in the middle which was a 
>little confusing.  It was the bit that started with BJ asking Reese to find 
>Jodie because she had to talk to them, and Warren finding the doll in her 
>drawer, and Ted and Angela going at it on the conference room floor.
 
Yes, me too again!  I was dying for Warren to read the doll's name!!
I thought I must have hit the "rewind" by mistake :-)
This Angela - sheesh, what a *itch in heat!  It's really sad that
she's sabotaging another couple for her own selfish ends.


>
.  (And besides, we know now that Frank is
>total, irredeemable scum, who will hopefully be found with his head pounded
>in.  I hope BJ kills him; but I don't think that'd be too realistic!!)

As someone pointed out recently, Sawyer and Aurora were in Philly for
an "on the run" story - seems to me that he would be the most likely
candidate to do in Frank.  I noticed in our local paper last night too,
that Kim Zimmer and Thaao Penghlis were in Boston filming this week.
They must be searching for them!

Can't wait to get home to watch today but I have this nagging feeling
that my daughter unset the timer to watch her aerobics tape! :-(
(She has Wednesdays off and she's done this to me before!)
I hope someone has the tape if this happens!

Gotta run - 

SB forever!

Wanda
From: ams1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANN M. SCHADLER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: GH: How long have YOU watched GH?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:07:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <brskt8.42r@wang.com>, anon@no.where (Anonymous) writes:
>
>Paul's message regarding watching GH since early 70's made me think
>that it might be interesting to know how long the netters have been
>watching GH...
>
>I have been watching on and off 1976 - 1985 (as my schedule allowed before
>VCR) and taping since 1985...  How about you?
>
I would catch the last 1/2 hour when I got home from school back in the early
70's.  Then I did not watch for quite a while, but was kept informed by
friends and relatives who watched daily.  Then along came the VCR and wa la
. . . I'm a daily viewer again!!!
-- 

Ann Schadler
Vice President for
Student Affairs Office
x83890
AMS1
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: Kathleen Bedard <mistress@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Y&R Pinkslips!
X-To: LAURIE ROBERTS
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:12:00 GMT

LR>From: robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Laurie Roberts)

LR>3 cast members will be getting their pink slips in September, including an
LR>established family member.  Any guesses?

Let me see - ummm Tracey, Nathan's wife and Hiliary.

Though Tracey's character has improved she still is a jealous wimp.

Kathleen

---
 * SLMR 2.1a *
From: shellys@cbnewse.cb.att.com (michelle.sulski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: Questions???
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:31:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <perplexed beyond belief>...Deb writes:
>
>Why is Helga burning "The Letter" NOW after 30 years!?
>Seems like she just could have stuck it back in the mantel.

There's got to be an EXTRA copy somewhere!  Who would have it?
I know Hugo's brother Edgar...That's it Edgar's got another 
copy of the codicil.  He'll show up in Pine Valley pretty
soon.  Hugo had to have had brothers or sisters.
 
>Does anyone think Angelique 'KNOWS' about Erica & Dimitri?
>Did you catch her standing there while Helga & Dim were
>talking about him & Erica Kane.  If Angelique is suppossed to be
>so smart and sharp then it's very out of character for her

Not only that, Angel's hearing has to be well above normal as
it's the last thing to go when you're in a coma and she
was in a coma for 15 years.   Also, if she knew, then those
dopey AMC writers would have to clue us in on her emotional
distress.  Why the hell did they color her hair?  She looks
more matronly than Myra did before her new doo...Hey, where's
Myra been?  

> But if your husband and mother were arguing about
>"people spreading gossip" how many of you would let that one pass?

Well, if I had a mother like HELLga, I definitely know I'd let
a lot of things she said pass...if you get my drift... ~{:-)
I think the woman that plays HELLga plays an excellent lunatic!

?~~? ShockWaved Shelly


Wonder Why(s):	Junior and Jamie don't play together?
From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Da VinceMeister)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: TAN: (was Re: DOOL Roger Lombard, etc)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:05:01 GMT
Organization: Aggies In Austin

In <1992Jul30.163308.12098@chpc.utexas.edu> peea224@chpc.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo) states thusly:
>In article <1575jsINNrsr@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>>
>>And one last unrelated thing. FOR SHAME, VILE, EVIL, DASTARDLY
                                                 ^^^^

	How DARE you call Joanna "evil"! *I'm* the evil one
	'round here...imagine -- being associated with a...a...
	a Longhorn. :-) :-) Man, my attorney's gonna have a
	field day...

>>Spud
>
>Joanna

TTFN,
- EV

-- 
                Vince Rhee | And the preacher said
  pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | I pronounce you ninety-nine to life
         Department of ECE | Son, she's no lady, she's your wife
       University of Texas | - Lyle Lovett, "She's No Lady"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally)
Subject: Re: AMC: Just what time IS it? (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:07:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.223657.16535@IRO.UMontreal.CA> laviers@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Cocotte Minute) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.203743.8618@NeoSoft.com> claire@NeoSoft.com (Claire Sanford) writes:

 
>>her hair looks so limp and lifeless now that it is shorter and that
>>henna color!!!
 
>Gee, I actually like her hair! I think it looks a *lot* better than
>when it was blond. I also think the lenght suits her. (IMHO of course :)

>What do yall think? For or against Angel's new do?

>Genevieve

Genevieve,
  I guess I'm not that crazy about her hair . . . color is not that bad but 
style is not that great (of course, IMO).

Sal 



>--
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>|Sebastien Lavier [Calimero]    | Centre de recherche, Hopital du Sacre-Coeur  
>|laviers@iro.umontreal.ca       | "The opinions expressed here are mine and  
>|Universite de Montreal, Canada |   should also be yours!"               
Organization: Statistics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:07:39 -0400 
From: "Beth A. Meiser" <bm2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Update for Tuesday, July 28

I just got back from vacation last week, and I guess that I'm still not
totally back in the swing of things--the long and short of it is that
now that I'm sitting at work, I realize I didn't put the tape in the VCR
this morning.  Can someone else do the update for today's show?  If not,
I can try to get the update info from some of my friends.

Thanks, Beth

I promise that I will be set for next week!
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB:  SOD 8/4 issue and ***SPOILERS****
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:16:12 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Thanks Leila for those spoilers and articles they were great....EXCEPT the one
about BJ dating FRANK, I don't think so....I mean this man molested her and
she goes on a date with him....I hope this one particular story doesn't come to
light, I would hate to lash out at this show, when it has been doing one hell o
f a job with their storylines.


Lisa
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: rippel@sophia.smith.edu (JR)
Subject: ATWT - temporary leave
Organization: Smith College
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:59:32 GMT

I know I am relatively new, and I don't post all that often, so you
probably won't even miss me.  But Nursie has given me a temporary leave
from the ward, so that I can arrange my move from my current comfy
padded cell to a brand spanking new one.

Seriously (is that possible?), I am leaving my current academic institution
(I couldn't help it--I graduated and they're throwing me out) to join
a new one in my home state of "Joisey".  So I will be gone for a while,
enjoying the outside world, and hopefully will have a new account soon.
I should have it no later than September, but perhaps with some persuasion
on my side I can get it sooner.  (I don't suppose there's anyone out there
from Rutgers and knows how these things work?)

Anyway, keep up the chatter, and I will be readmitted soon, I promise.

Joisey

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