From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: Treatment for Navicular Decease ??
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 04:34:33 GMT
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In article <1992Jul29.170156.94@datani.dk> la@datani.dk writes:
>Hello out there.
>
>I am interested in a treatment for Navicular Decease (if there are any), 
>as I have an endurence horse (Hannoverian - to heavy mayby, as his weigth are
>660 kilogram, but he have completed 90 miles) with bad X-RAYs for 
>the Navicular Bone. He had used special Navicular Shoes, 
>but have some problem as he also suffer from stone bruices 
>even though he is using pads and silicone.
>
>For the moment a horse in our stable (a high jumper horse) 
>are trying "Iso*Suprine 3%HCL", and I want to know if any of you 
>have experience on using this on competition horses, and with what result.
>
>So, I want to know the following :
>
>	1. Other treatment for Navicular Decease.
>	2. Experience with Iso*Suprine.
>	3. Any drawback on using Iso*Suprine (Other than the price).


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In article <1992Jul29.170156.94@datani.dk> la@datani.dk writes:
>Hello out there.
>
>I am interested in a treatment for Navicular Decease (if there are any), 
>as I have an endurence horse (Hannoverian - to heavy mayby, as his weigth are
>660 kilogram, but he have completed 90 miles) with bad X-RAYs for 
>the Navicular Bone. He had used special Navicular Shoes, 
>but have some problem as he also suffer from stone bruices 
>even though he is using pads and silicone.
>
>For the moment a horse in our stable (a high jumper horse) 
>are trying "Iso*Suprine 3%HCL", and I want to know if any of you 
>have experience on using this on competition horses, and with what result.
>
>So, I want to know the following :
>	1. Other treatment for Navicular Decease.
>	2. Experience with Iso*Suprine.
>	3. Any drawback on using Iso*Suprine (Other than the price).
> 

I have several horses at the moment with navicular problems in different
stages. Some have slight changes, while others have "lolly-pops" or large
pits in the bone! Here is what I do  with all of them to start
(unless it has been tried by another trainer)

1) alum with pads start at 56 degrees
2) half rounds with wedge pads
3) bar shoes with wedge pads
4) heart bars

I also start most of them at 50 isoxoprine  for two weeks and taper to
20 with 2 grams bute bute that also tapers with time (this is one time a day) 

Most horses if given ample time to warm up will go servicably sound,
you can not jump on any navicular horse and go without making him sour
over time.

The navicular horses are also ALL out in the day in large paddocks,
small areas are the downfall and sometimes the cause for the problem in the
first place !

You can nerve the horse  starting around $850.00 but you must take care in
watching everything with the feet after that! The bad part is sometimes the
nerves can grow back and then the pain also. I tried a horse a few months
ago (I did not know he was nerved) He was fine until about 3'9 and we came
over an oxer he could not feel his feet and over we went...... head over
 heels that is! My first navicular horse
was Tex he did it all medals, jumpers, hunters he is 17 plus hands with
feet the size of tea cups. Things started to go down hill so we took him to UCD
where I was introduced to navicular. We tried everything plastic shoes even and he
would get better then go back down hill?  Even the horses in my training barn get
gimpy from time to time, I have found that horses who get lots of turn out fair
much better.

Navicular is a very frustrating thing to deal with some days I go out to the barn
and see one of the bad cases looking sound as sound can be and then the next day
I would not want to be at the end of the reins jogging him for the judge in
a hunter class. Stick with it though, I have brought many horses back from
the brink of going to the canners to winning in a show ring or being comfortable
enough for trail horses!

	Good Luck!
	
	p.s. Tex is in pasture with no shoes no bute nothing and is sound!
			he is retired and very happy and loved!

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