From: azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani)
Subject: Re: Malaysia news, Oct, 3,1992.=>N-power plant.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:10:05 GMT



First of all, Let me say that both Dennis Chuah's and Kelvin Goh's
had very valid suggestions that I cannot agree with more. Indeed,
one needs to tackle the demand side of the equation and not mindlessly
keep on building power plants. Conservation and Energy Efficiency is
definitely key. In fact, withing Tenaga Nasional itself, (They are the
electricity producer and supplier in Peninsular Malaysia) there
has been an increasingly strong emphasis on Demand Side Management,
especially work done by Dr. Zam Zam of their R&D dept. (hey, absolutely
no relation to you-know-who :-)  :-)  )
Tenaga has been issuing incentives to its major consumers to manage
their energy consumption more effectively. 
Note:
Dennis: Solar Energy is definitely a viable alternative although
it cannot supply a significant portion of energy in the
near future because -
- Its is still relatively more expensive to other resources
(I know, environmental benefits should be taken into Cost-Benefit analysis
here but you know its hard to convince profit-minded capitalists:-) )
- Malaysia has lotsa clouds unlike Arizona/New Mexico where solar
could be really effective. 

Kelvin:  Hydro is also a good resource. At present, it constitutes
about 25% of the energy supply. However, in peninsular Malaysia,
there are not many more sites that would be economically and
environmentally profitable. Perhaps we can look to the realization
of the bakun project in Sarawak.....

In the long run, if there  ever is a solution, it will lie with
control of energy demand. However, I was more concerned with the short
run situation in my previous post. It is not easy to make a significant
change in the demand side that will alleviate the energy shortage
that Malaysia is facing in the near future. We need sort of emergency
measures to take care of the present energy problem.


In article <1992Nov16.141522.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> kshan@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>
>  In the article, on 11, nov, 1992. azran@leland.stanford.edu (Azran Osman 
>Roni) wrote:
^^^^^
Its Osman RAni  :-)
>
>  Then try to learn more about his character, Mr. Azran ! It is your right 
>and your duty to know more about your selected minister. Mr. Azran, you 
>claimed that you oppose the idea of N-power plant, but again you think that 
>it is good to have some experiences in this field. Tell me, which sides do 
>you stand ? Or it is just that you always type before you think ? Anyhow, 
>it is not the matter of having "a little bit" of experience in this field; 
>frankly, it is the matter of life and death of 18 million population in 
>Malaysia. If there were any nuclear dissaster happened, who would take the 
>responsibility ? Samy Vellu or Dr. Mahathir ? Or is the government going to 
>shift the blames to the technicians ? Why use nuclear power, since Malaysia 
>can resort to other forms of energy, eg wind, solar etc.. I am not sure how 
>much it will cost to construct a N-power plant. But I figure out that if 
>the government needs a good N-plant, then is should be very expansive, 
>unless if the governmnet could only appropriate "a few thousands" dollars 
>to make one.
>

Look here bud, getting hostile is not going to do any good. nada. 
Its people like you who are the epitome of what s.c.a. is these days -
degeneration into useless flame filth.

Look, I did not want to talk about Samy Vellu's character because

1) it was not pertinent to what I had to say ( i don't believe in wasting BW)

2) In light of all the recent controversy regarding him, there
is a lot of rumors flying around here and there. I don't believe in rumors
and since I don't have concrete facts about all the alleged scandals,
I did not want to talk about it. So don't give me shit for not knowing
all his personal going-ons. One is certainly not expected to know
in details about the history of each and every minister. 

DID I EVER SAY THAT I WAS ADVOCATING THE USE OF NUCLEAR ENERGY???
don't give me crap about the death of 18 million people and similar shit.
I was looking for an intellectual and technical discussion on the issue,
not the passionate diarrhea of words that your constipated mind is
spewing out. Bite me.

You talk so passionately about the issue, yet you do not bother to 
find out more about the viablity of other energy options that you so
briefly mention.




>> Point is, it is always easy to simply nouth-off criticism, lot harder to 
>be constructive about it....
>
>What is wrong to criticize your own government ? Expecially, when I think 
>he is taking a wrong move. It is one of the responsibilities for a citizen 
>to point out the wrongness and the weakness of the government. It is really 
>too bad that you can understand this fundamendal concept, having lived in 
>Malaysia for such a long time. As a Malaysia citizen, I will not blindly 
>support all the ideas that are proposed by the government, at least not 
>without using the brain. In the case of N-power plant, one governmnet has 
>to have an excellent record in dealing with such a huge project. For 
>Malaysia who dares to say that she has a good record in disposing 
>the nuclear waste and she has enough technicians and scientics to operate 
>the plant. Mr. Azran could you give any explaination, any explaination at 
>all for the incident in Bukit Merah, Perak state ? You couln't, could you ? 
>Do you know that the people in Bukit Merah are suffering air pollution and 
>the radiation due to the continuing operation of that Japananese company. 
>And what has Malaysian government done ? The governmnet not only doesn't 
>terminate the operation of the company, but the governmnet dare to support 
>the company by giving all the stupid and unreasonable excuses to the people
>. Now, Mr. Azran, why don't you think the word of "constructive" over and 
>over again, before you tell how to be a constructive citizen. Moreover, if 
>the government wants people to be constructive, then he will have to earn 
>it by being honous to people. As for you, Mr. Azran, my advice to you is 
>that don't be the kind of person that current U.S, President Bill Clinton 
>said that is " I vote for the majority, although I support the idea of 
>minority."
>
>
>By : K.S. Shan
>


All fine and dandy. But pointless, really. Go and suck on an egg.




Azran "let's get dirty, baby"  Osman-Rani
Stanford University




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