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From: ckim@galluj
Subject: Cha Mak - closed caption decoder
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:01:48 GMT

Yeo_leo_boon, Ann yung ha shim ni gga?
I am a deaf korean. I can not speak Korean languange by my voice but can write
forward and back to hearning people. I use sign languange (Soo Hwa) by my hands
to communicate with deaf people and others who know sign language. I can use
telecommunication device for the deaf to phone. I can enjoy watching TV program
with closed caption decoder, so on.

I just read advertise from Korean daily newspaper that you might be subsribing
about closed caption decoder - Cha Mak Ki Kyae for Koreans to learn English on
the bottom of screen of Television. I understand that some Koreans have problem
with listening English from Television. I am really disappointed that the
advertise about closed caption decoder did not mention about it for hearing
impaired people or deaf people. I am really angry about Korean saleman selling
closed caption decoder for television not to mention it for deaf or hearing
impaired people. I want to remind you of closed caption decoder mainly provid-
ing deaf people with their eyes reading English. Please tell Korean saleman to
add "deaf people or hearing impaired people" to advertise about closed caption
decoder if you know them. Thank you.

with deaf pride,

Korean/American Sign Language is Human Right.
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Korean writing system (Why question ?)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:01:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.032213.23354@syacus.acus.oz.au>, woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong) writes:
<horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<
<>_Han'gu<l_ letters can be written out in series without any
<>ambiguity.  Try it.
<
< OK, let's try one.

Yes, let's.

< What would you say  following series of han'gul letters represent?
< (btw, I can't think of a better example, but nevertheless)
<
< _L  |_  __.  __.  
< ()  |     |    |  _ll_

Definitely _hak'kyo_.

< Is it 
<
<  _L|_   __.
<  ()|      |
<  __.   _ll_
<    | 

Yes.

< Or
<
<  _L|_   __.__.
<  ()|      |  |    ?
<           _ll_

Nope.  That consists of four letters:  _hiu<t_, _a_, _ssanggiu<k_, and _yu_.

   _L    |_    __.__.  
   ()    |       |  /    _ll_


< There is a shift-reduce conflict, isn't there?

No, as explained above.

< If there was no ambiguity as you claim, then the han'gul keyboard
< wouldn't need some keys, such as the double consonant keys.
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So you agree with me after all.  The fact that it has those double-consonant
keys proves my point.  _Ssanggiu<k_ is correctly typed as a single character,
not as two _kiu<k_.

< Anyway, I wouldn't want to read han'gle text in the form of a series
< of letters that's been pulled apart, whether it is ambiguous or not, it'd
< probably give me a headache after a couple of lines.

Again, only because you're used to reading it grouped in syllables.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ckim@galluj
Subject: Re: Cha Mak - closed caption decoder
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:21:26 GMT

> Fortunately, recent legislation will require all new TV sets produced in
> the US to contain a caption-decoding device.  (I don't know whether this
> legislation applies to foreign-made TV sets imported to the US.)  A chip
> to decode captions costs manufacturers only $5-$10, but the devices the
> hearing-impaired have had to buy cost well over $100.  Such legislation
> is long overdue.
> 					--Scott

Legislation already passed to require a chip to decode caption to be built
inside all new 13 or more inch TV sets in 1993.

Cheol Kim
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:2109 soc.culture.japan:3520
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Mott in Horne's signature
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:58:04 GMT

In article <SHIN.92Apr10125337@pond.frc.ri.cmu.edu>, shin@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Dong Hun Shin) writes:
<
[In my signature:]
<ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
<
<It means:
<
<Tibet and China are one family, Let's build prosperous China together.

No.  What it means is

	Tibetans and Han Chinese, working together to build a
	prosperous China.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:25:29 GMT

In article <22649@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
<
<Well, Scott, you just showed all our Korean friends exactly how much 
<Korean you do know. 

No, I just showed them what a careless typist I am.  :-)

<>Scott Horne (_Han'gungmal'o Scott Horne hamnida_).

Typo; I was paying too much attention to your strangely punctuated line.
Give me a break.  Or, as you said:

<Oh-baek-won-jjari pihaengi-lul taeuji massayo !

I never take anyone on five-won airplane rides.  Mine are always at least
six or seven won--eight or nine if I'm in a good mood.  :-)

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Internet link in korea
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 21:01:07 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1473700009@igc.org> An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.org> writes:
>a (cheaper) packet service. Both need some competition (i.e. from Sprintnet)!
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
	Can you explain more about it?
	I'm very curious as you guess why.
	Thanx in ad.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Mac System 7.0?
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:57:44 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hi!
 Is Korean System 7.0 for Mac released?
 If so, is there any source I can get it in U.S.A.?
 How much is it?
 Please reply by email. 
 Thank you very much in advance.

D. Choi
email: choi@galton.uchicago.edu
From: hsong%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hwal Song)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Tooting my own Horne
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:06:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: hellgate.1992Apr13.160634.3004
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Apr11.144333.11638@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> f8zy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>I still don't think Horne is a Korean name.
>I've asked several Korean friends of mine (Some of whom have just recently
>moved to the States) and they do not think Horne is a Korean surname.
>Can anyone besides Scott Horne verify this?
>
A long time ago, Scott verified that Horne came from Hong.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: One way to counter-attack
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:58:05 GMT

>Subject:      Japan's Sex Tourists
>
>   AP, Tokyo, Mari Yamagichi, April 2 - A popular Japanese publisher is coming
>under attack from feminist groups for offering tour books that tell where
>to find prostitutes and strip shows in Asian nations.

This is the power of printed word.  Probably this information was availabe
as 'word of mouth' to anyone who was interested.  Now that it is printed,
it is attacked.  As the sudden wealth increses, Korea will have one of
these guides sooner of later, I guess.

One possible way of counter attacking this perverted male thing is by
publishing "guide to cheap hunks" for the ladies.  It may not sell as much
but it will have some effect specially if the guide includes some
statements like "the males of xxx (a nation's name here) are much better
performer than those of yyy (publisher's nation)" or "xxx have bigger thing
than yyy."  I could go on and on, but I stop here for the fear of hearing
it myself in the future... :)

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kyl@polari.com
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:59:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.022709.20431@oracorp.com> harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.063042.28598@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>...
>>Oh, and something I forgot to mention:  _Han'gu<l_ was based on Chinese
>>letterforms ...
>
>Mr. Horne, I challenge you to substantiate that claim.  Real linguists
>of my acquaintance have expressed quite different views.  To wit:
>scholars have found resemblances to elements of written Chinese,
>Mongolian, Tibetan (from the country of Tibet, by the way) and
>Sanskrit.  As of five years ago, no one was able to state
>incontrovertibly that Hangul was based on any other script.
>

According to the history I have read, King Se-jong commissioned a group of
scholars to study lingusitics for the intent to create a written language 
easily learned by orninary Koreans, not just the scholars.  They studied
some 12 years before they came up with Hangul. To achieve this task, not only 
they aearch at home, they also visited scholars in other nations, such as 
China and yes even Inida.  So, if there is a trace of Chinese origin, 
this explains it.  And what if it was based on Chinese, Sanskrit, English,
Arabic, or whatever forms?  What matters is that the original intent was
accomplished.  I would say that it was.  When I took my daughters (14 and
9 then) in 1985, I taught them how to read Hangul on the train from Seoul
to Kyungju.  When we got off the train after 4 1/2 hours, they could actually
read the signs and newspaper headlines!  I would say that is an accomplishments.I doubt whether one can say the same with any other written language.  I believe
we tend to hung up on some minute matters that we forget the most important
issues.  I repeat.  It is not important what forms they adapted.  It is
important that they created a written language that makes sense and is easy
to learn.  Some clarifications are in order.  My daughters are half Koreans,
but they were not educated in Korean language.  However, they and I have 
particular interest in King Se-jong.  Our family tree originates from his
third son. 

>Can you cite real scholarship that establishes your claim?  Or did a
>friend of yours read all about it in Playboy?

Although I understand your anger toward Mr. Horne, this kind of argument
is uncalled for.  Let's get back to the real debate.

Kyu Y. Lee
kyl@polari.uunet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ywh@asterix.merit.edu (Woody Huang)
Subject: Re: korean and japanese culture
Organization: Merit Network, Inc.  Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:02:53 GMT

>In article <1992Apr15.055347.7376@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9b-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Chang) writes:
>Koreans and Japaneses seem to be full of themselves when it
>comes to their "culture."
>
>Let's face it folks, what "culture?"
>
>Your cultures are basically watered down Chinese handouts.  It might
>hurt your egos, but it is true.
>

I don't understand.  Even if japnese and korean cultures were influenced
by ancient chinese culture, does that make them any less valuable?

Remember the 'modern' chinese culture is also influenced by ancient
chinese culture, and just because some chinese still happen to live on the
land where this old culture was first developed doesn't mean they have 
the right to deny the uniqueness/greatness of others who chose to adopt
part of this old culture.  The chinese was ruled many times in history by
not-so-chinese cultures( yes, including japanese for a short while; well,
some part of china ) too.

I suggest this person, whoever wrote the original article, should travel to
the riverbed of great africa and ask for forgiveness from our common ancestors,
for without the open-mindness of our ancestors in sharing ways of life, mankind
cannot make it this far.

-Woody Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tp0001@medtronic.COM (Terry Pinotti)
Subject: Re: keh
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
 
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:11:51 GMT

A KEH is where a specific number of people get together and agree to
pool funds together in order to help someone that needs some short
term cash.

It goes like this:

	1) if the group is 24 people the group will meet for 24
months. If 38 then they meet for 38 months.

	2) if the amount needed is $2,400.00, each person will bring
$100.00 to the meeting. If the lump sum is $9600.00 then each person
brings $400.00. 

	3) an arrangement is agreed upon in advance as to who gets the
cash for each of the 24 months. Usually those in need get cash first
and those trying to help get cash last.

	4) usually once you get your lump sum you pay a little more
than the $100.00. Maybe $105.00

	5) The extra payments adds up to 23x5=$115.00 for the last
person to receive the lumpsum.

	6) It is more a way of the financially well off helping
persons in a short term bind. It is probably one of the reasons that
the Koreans are successfull at small businesses. They help each other
and avoid the high interest rates the banks charge.

My ex-wife was involved in several Kehs and this is how it was explained
to me. No one makes a lot of money but those that help those in need
gain lots of clout and respect.



 
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    2832 Laport Dr.       | someone else, it comes from me. Leave it mine
Mounds View, MN 55112     | and blame me, not others, if you don't agree.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kyl@polari.com
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:20:49 GMT


In article <1992Apr7.182345.8508@oracorp.com> harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.223305.12254@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> ywlee@sunc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee) writes:
>>In <14154@pitt.UUCP> hnkst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe han Kim) writes:
>>
>>>There is much 'folklore' about the development of the exact shapes
>>>of the letters. The other one I heard was that the letters are
>>>based upon the patterns you see in the woodwork of a Korean
>>>style door. There used to be a triangle kind of character that sounded
>>>like a 'z'... I don't know where that pattern would have come from
>>>in the woodwork though. 

I have heard this theory, and many other theory on the origin of Hangul.
Keep in mind that there was a strong conservative element among the 
intellectuals who would oppose anything "new."  Many of these theories
wer to discredit the legacy of Hangul.  While Se-jong name the system
Hunminjungum, the conservative element prefered to call in Eun Moon. I
do not remember the meaning any mroe, but it has a derogatory meaning to it.
What I am trying to say here is that many of these theories have no grounds,
and can be discarded.  The question is which is right?  Let the scholars
debate those issues.  I still maintain the position I posted a few days
ago.  It really is not important where the origin is.  It is important that
the mission King Se-jong intended has been accomplished.  He and his scholars
created a system that is scientific and easy to learn even for those
with a minimum education.  Again, I am talking about the written system,
Spooken Korean is another matter.

Kyu Y. Lee
kyl@polari.uunet
From: zoon@cs.umd.edu (Sungzoon Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: reading by word or by character
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:59:48 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Apr11.171851.24043@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.234229.9113@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo) writes:
>>When we read a word, we don't read the whole word at once.
>>Basically, we read character by character.
>
>I remember reading that we read by word, not by character.  If we read by
>character, it will be exceedingly slow.  And if we really read each...
>
  As far as I know, the issue is not yet settled even among linguists
and psychologists.   From my personal experience, I tend to lean toward 
the so called "dual-route" theory which says that there are two routes from 
lexicons(characters) to phonemes(sounds).    One route goes directly from 
lexicons to phonemes and the other goes through "words."    Simply put, 
people read aloud "familiar words" by word without going through each lexicon 
while they read aloud "unfamiliar words" or "non-words" by characters. 

>>Jong-Wook Seo
>
>James Choi

Sungzoon Cho
From: jae@kay.ucsd.edu (Jae Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: test
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:41:40 GMT

Test only.
Just ignore, please

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china
From: raja@chroma.cps.msu.edu (Narayan S. Raja)
Subject: Re: Movable type: Was it invented in Korea ?
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Reply-To: raja@cps.msu.edu
Organization: Pattern Recognition & Image Processing, MSU
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:28:52 GMT



This question comes up regularly every
few months.    :-)   Here is what I
found out last time.


Narayan Sriranga Raja.
---------------------------------------


 From pg. 294, "Korea Guide", by Edward Adams,
       Seoul Int'l Publishing House, 1976:

"Though the first movable type made from clay was originally
  developed during the Sung dynasty in China in the 11th. century,
  this new idea was not put into mass production, as the Chinese
  preferred woodcut printing to type printing. [...] ...At any
  rate it can be safely said that movable type made of some kind
  of metal was an original Korean invention which first probably
  occurred in the latter part of the 12th. century or early 13th.
  century... [...] ...The date of this invention of movable metal
  type is given as 1232... [...] It is recorded that the scholar
  and minister Yi Kyu-bo before his death in 1241 had twenty-eight
  copies of a book printed on Kanghwa Island using cast type".


< There are some Chinese gentlemen who say they have documented evidence
< that metallic movable type was invented in China around the 9th
< century.. pre-dating what I remember about that invention in Koryo...


No idea.  The online library catalog shows the following
references which may help to resolve this:

  Son, Po-gi.
    Han'guk ui ko hwalcha Early Korean typography/ Sohn Pow-key.  1982.
    488 p.: ill. (some col.); 38 cm.
    English, Japanese, and Korean.
    Parallel title also in Japanese: Kankoku no kokatsuji.


  Ch`on, Hye-bong.
    Na-Ryo inswaesul ui yon'gu / Ch`on Hye-bong cho. -- Soul T`ukpyolsi :
    Kyongin Munhwasa, 1982.
    216 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.
    Summary in English with added title: a study on the early printing
     arts in the period of Silla and Koryo.
From: jae@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jaehoon Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: language vs writing system, once and for all
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:06:54 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

(James Choi) writes:
>A large percentage of Korean words came from Chinese.  It is a known fact.
>Often, they are written in Chinese characters.  Most of our names have...

Things are changing though... You don't see too many Chinese characters on
official letters in Korea anymore.  At my company, many official letters 
(Gong-Moon) are written purely in Korean alphabets.  (Of course many of the 
words are from China; nontheless they are written in Korean.)

Also, many Koreans now give pure Korean names to their new-born children.
One of my relatives have a daughter by name A-Reum.  Well, the father's
lastname is Han.  Together, it is Han A-Reum and I think it is wonderful.

Personally, I think I will give pure Korean names to my children, if possible.
In addition, I will also consider giving names that can be easily written
in English.  In other words, names that can be written in English and 
pronounced close to actual pronunciation of the name or names that can be
translated into a nice word, say Soo-Jeong and Crystal, just an example...

Jaehoon
-- 
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   Internet:    jae@Sorak.KAIST.ac.kr  (SDN account)
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From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:07:53 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Apr5.091821.27811@seas.gwu.edu> se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee) writes:
<replying to Scott Horne>
>: <You are going
>: <to find, as you would in any other cultural group, chauvinistic attitudes
>: <expressed.
>: 
>: And I am going to correct, as I would in any other cultural group, any such
>: chauvinistic attitudes.
>:
>Oh thank-you very much, Miss Manners.  What do you do, get on every cultural
>newsgroup and correct their misperceptions as you see fit?  Who died
>and made you the morality police?

Miss Manners and the morality police have nothing to do with it.
Chauvinism is not merely a breach of morality and manners, and is not
to be tolerated.  That no one has been appointed to serve as any kind
of net.police doesn't mean that one doesn't have to be responsible for
anything said on this forum.

(There is such a thing as anti-Korean chauvinism, too.  If you
encounter it, I don't think you'll keep shut, even at the risk of
being addressed as Miss Manners or something.)

>Now I see that you came on this newsgroup because you don't have any sense
>of pride about your own culture--or the lack of one, according to you.

One can't possibly have a sense of pride about the lack of culture of
the nation one happens to have been born into.  The question is
whether your nation's culture can justify chauvinism.

>  Han-gul, regardless of whether
>they look like chinese characters--I personally feel they bear very little
>resemblance--

The similarity is in the basic elements - all except the circle (/h/)
- and their arrangement.

>are very different in that they are phonetic.

Yes, in terms of the internal structure of the writing there is really
no connexion whatsoever between han'gu<l and Chinese characters.  This
doesn't necessarily mean that the external form hasn't undergone any
influence.
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