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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Subject: Re: the 14th/rostropovich?
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:22:12 EST

gustavo@dent.uchicago.edu (Gustavo Comezana) writes:

>    About other recordings, I would like to issue a warning ot those
>considering Haitink: his version is *not* in Russian, but has each of
>the poems in its original language, which not only is not in line with
>the composer's original intentions, but simply does not work (IMHO).
>So, if you are sensitive to matters of language, the very least I'd
>say is: check it out before you buy it.

Wrong!! It says in the liner notes for this CD that Shost *did*
review and OK the singing of the poems in their origional languages.

I will type it in and post it for you. I don't think a company such
as DECCA would lie about this.. ?

Which reminds me.. Who thinks the 13th sounds good in english as
sung in Testimony? I think the russian is far better, even if I
don't understand a word!!

(But then I like Alexander Nevsky in russian too ;-) )


>    In reference to the ongoing controversy about this piece, I'd like
>to say that it is at the very top of my own list of favorite
>Shostakovich works, sharing honors with the First Violin Concerto and
>Sixth and Eight Symphonies (not very popular choices, I know).

The sixth is great, and the first violin concerto can't be beaten for
sheer power and meaning.. I love it...

The eighth... hmm... not bad, but I rate the 9th better, depending
on my mood :-)


>                                   G.C.

-richard

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From: bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton)
Subject: Re: the 14th/rostropovich?
Organization:  anarchy
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:48:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.124335.10507@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:
>bstjohn@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>>I find the fourteenth possibly the most difficult to get to know. A bad
>>recording can make it even more difficult. Listen to a couple of versions
>>before dropping the work from your libraries... Does Rostropovich have a
>>version out? I know Haitink does...probably Jarvi. (Since you are all in love
>>with him! :) )
>
>No. I think I'm the only one in love with Jarvi!! Hey Kinky ;-)
>
>I have the Haitink, it's a good recording I think.
>
>Chandos (home of Jarvi mainly) does have a 14th, but it's with some
>other orchestra and conductor I've never heard of, so I don't have
>it. 
>
>-richard
>
>ps: the 13th is CHAN 8540

You're missing a few recordings.  You might have trouble finding them but
they exist.  Kiril Kondrashin did one before he defected that's quite good
(if anything about the 14th can be good) and I have an LP of Leonard
Berstein and the New York Philharmonic.  I like it (as far as I can like it).

-- 
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bobs@gnu.ai.mit.edu		  those who fight it than those who offer
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From: gustavo@dent.uchicago.edu (Gustavo Comezana)
Subject: Re: the 14th/rostropovich?
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, U. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:06:24 GMT


I'd like to set the record straight: I did not write that having the
poems sung in languages other than Russian was a practice not
sanctioned by the composer, but rather that it hadn't been his
*original* intention. As for doing so, it strikes me as being
approximately as valid as having Tristan und Isolde sung in Cornish
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From: lampson@tellabs.com (Dave Lampson)
Subject: Re: Festive Overture
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., IL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:17:03 GMT

In article <92242.194956HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I am looking for an excellent CD of the Festive Overture.
>
>Any suggestions?

This is an easy one, but you'll have to put up with some other composers 
besides DSH!!  :-)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
COPLAND                  **   Ballet Music "Appalachian Spring"              DDD
GERSHWIN                      "Lullaby"
GLAZUNOV                      Concert Waltz                   Op.  47
GRIFFES                       "The White Peacock"
IVES                          "The Unanswered Question"
SHOSTAKOVICH                  Overture "Festive"              Op. 96
Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra   KITAYENKO, Dmitri & SMITH, Lawrence Leighton
Sheffield Labs                                        CD-27              1:02:47
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is truly and impressive performance and recording.


-- 

Dave
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Overtures (was Re: Festive Overture)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:07:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.121219.1@vax1.umkc.edu> bstjohn@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> Have any of you tried the overture on Russian and Kirghiz
>folk tunes? AGAIN--jarvi (ican't believe it TWO jarvi recommendations...ugh) on
>DG with the 15th and OCTOBER. TRY IT. We're doing the latter overture at my
>conservatory this year (at my bidding!) and it is fantastic.

Having worn out my LP of the 15th from the early 70s, I bought the Jarvi
CD for the symphony but have found myself listening more often to the overtures
(probably novelty, but they *are* good).

-- Herb Huston

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From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: A few quotes from a few years ago
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:14:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.201012.26544@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:

> THANK YOU, Mr. Page for this post.  Anyone that has any knowledge at all
> of history (which does not include many of today's misled college
> students) will know that the USA was founded as a CHRISTIAN nation.

Mr. Hanson:

Your agenda is a very, very sick agenda.  You go against everything
this nation *is* for.  Some of the greatest American leaders were
Deists, meaning they believed that God started creation and then
ignored Earth for the remainder of eternity.  The notion of God may be
infused all over the place in our culture, but it certainly has very
little to do with Christianity.

> The liberal (and heathen) Warren court overturned two centuries
> of precedence when they banned prayer and the Bible from public schools.
 
Thank God it did so.  Some traditions are no more than crumbling
walls, just waiting to be toppled.

> The first amendment was never intended to separate the CHRISTIAN church
> from the government.  It was ONLY to keep the government out of the
> the church.  Mr. Bush and Mr. Quayle are trying in a small way to do
> what our country's founders wished; that this country would always be
> a Christian nation.  The founders predicted dire consequences if we ever
> leave our Christian faith.  Those consequences are being played out
> before us in our crime rate, baby-killing, family breakups, and homosexuality.

Dear, like I said, you are one sick individual.  If you think "family
values" = the "disapproval" of homosexuality, I'd say you have *no*
inkling of the notion of a kind, gentle family unit, meant to accept
its members (not reject them).

Sick, sick.

> We as a nation are paying and will continue to pay for our sins until and
> unless we return to the one and only true God and to the only Saviour,
> Jesus Christ.  

Empty message.  Prove it.

I would respond to the rest of your post, but it is the same
nauseating drivel.  Your message of intolerance, of hatred, of
complete ignorance of anything to do with human nature...

Need I say what kind of message it is?

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Got it?

--
Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu   yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"now we find sodom strange take it out put it in your mouth how do you like
gomorrah now a taste of this swallow that feel the fish hide the hat ezekial
where's your wheel you better grease it GREASE GREASE GREASE GREASE! ROCK!!!"
       --Chainsaw Kittens, "Ezekial Walks Through Sodom and Gomorrah"
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: George Will on the GOP
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 17218@umbc3.umbc.edu, alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>	Make no mistake, Will is a dyed in the wool conservative and loyal
>member of the GOP. It's just that, as he put it "Today honerable conservatives
>feel the sort of fury felt by honerable conservatives 40 years ago when
>Joe McCarthy was giving anti-communism a bad name" ... " serious people
>flinch from being associated with the intellectual slum that is the Bush
>campaign, with its rifraff of liars and aspiring ayatollahs".
>	It's good stuff. Will is a regular contributor to the Washington
>post, and occasionally the NYTimes prints his stuff (but not often). For
>the dittoheads out there, maybe it'll help you grasp the difference between
>Rush Limbaugh and somebody who puts content over entertainment.

George Will seems to be creating frustration amongst the uncultured elite
in the republican party.  Perhaps he is making a run at '96?

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From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Bush's broken promises (w
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh


  .Subject: Bush's broken promises (was Re: Clinton's broken promise)
  .Message-ID: <1992Aug22.134641.24704@news.ysu.edu>
  .Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
  .Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:46:41 GMT

ae642@yfn.ysu.edu  (Kelley Miller) writes:

KM.In a previous article, ATERO@ASUACAD.BITNET () says:

KM.>Has anyone heard a satisfactory explanation from Clinton as to why he went b
  .>on his promise not to run for president if he was elected governor?
  .>
  .>I heard this on a local talk show while the host was interviewing a Clinton
  .>campaign worker.  His job was to cover the convention and point out lies tol
  .>by the republicans. A caller asked him about it and he conceded it was true
  .>but changed the subject when the caller sought an explanation.

KM.It's not like Bush has never broken any promices

Name a politician that hasn't.  It seems that is synonymous with
politics.

KM."Read my lips: No new taxes"
  ."3,000,000 new jobs in the next 4 years"

Sigh.... Bush already discussed that mistake, and I doubt he will make
that one again.  The jobs?  Well, he made that statement based upon the
premise that our Democratic congress passed the econcomic packages that
he asked for.  They didn't, so the jobs didn't happen either.  I don't
think it is appropriate to hold one individual accountable for all
things including those beyond his power.  Of course, it is also a
mistake to assume that the President has all this power to do all of the
things that he promises.

KM.And of course, he hasn't broken the express promices inherant with being
  .given the job, like

KM.Taking care of America and Americans first...
  .Working in the best interest of his constituients...(oh, I forgot...he did..
  .the rich have gotten richer...)

Thank goodness!  Think of where we would be if they got poorer!

Regards,
Todd

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From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: Summary Fri 8/28/92
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
Distribution: world,usa,na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:17:38 GMT

My! All that from a couple of lines of dialog in a pinko liberal sitcom!

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hay basket, huh?

  (..)
   ~~
L.
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 Right HERE!!"           | New Mexico State University          |  /..\ 
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From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Keywords: 'Y'
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Aug27.141027.7668@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
>How many times do I have to say it Steve?  Please listen this time, ok?
>I can vote the political "elitist" out.  With majority rule, I have NO
>recourse.  Kapish?

 The entire system is rigged. Remember Jerry Browns speeches. He was right
on the money about political corruption. Until this year most politicians
on the hill were reelected rather easily. No one could vote them out. 
 Do you honestly think the people would have allowed government to go
into such tremendous debt if they had direct control over the money
the government was stealing from them ? 

>No.  This makes you an individual who is willing to abandon personal rights,
>freedoms and beliefs for the "common good".  Sounds kinda Marxist to me.

 Are you aware that you currently live in a country which is primarily
a nationalistic socialist country ? This country is at least 40 percent
socialist already. Im attempting to unite with Individualist in the 
attempt to weaken nationalistic socialism. Only when it is weakened 
could we then go back to 100 percent Individualism. I only think we need
to give in on maybe 10 issues or less and thats all it would take for
enough people to come together with enough power to destroy socialism.
How would you as an individual destroy socialism in this country even
though it has grown like a cancer.

>We already have the common ground.  It's called "The Constitution".

 And how does it get amended ?

->Steve, enabling majority rule is like opening Pandora's Box.  Who knows?
->In the short term, it just might solve these pressing problems.  But I
->guarantee you this: once the majority has solved the "big" problems, 
->they'll turn their attention to those pesky "individualists" who just
->can't seem to see it their way.  Is that what you want?

 As an Individualist I am under attack right now by the few Elitists
Czars on Capitol Hill who make laws which the special interests and
lobby groups pay them money to make.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: George Will on the GOP
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:07:37 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article 28519@bnr.ca, labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
>The only entertaining thing I find about Rush Limbaugh's show is the ever
>increasing madness I slip into while laughing so hard because I can't believe
>people take his garbage so seriously.  This guy is polluting the radio waves
>with his anti-give-a-damn about anybody but ourselves rhetoric.  Actually if
>I'm weren't laughing at his show I'd probably be crying.  It's truly fitting
>that he was allowed to attend/speak at the Facist Convention by the party which
>wants less government regulation for business but more in your personal
>affairs.
>When/if ever will this country get back to FREEDOM for all instead of most of
>us being spanked perpetually by the Puritanical Yardstick of repression into
>the Conservative molds which the powerful in this country have designed for us.

I've found recently that his show has become a three hour campaign commercial
for Bush.  Equal time, anyone?

The fact that he has shifted from politics to political campaigning for Bush,
I'm thinking about not even listening to him.  I listen to him as a watchdog
and because I'm interested in what the other side is saying.  Recently, he's
changed his tune and become a full-fledged unofficial spokesman for the Bush
campaign.

They obviously can't hire him or pay him because Clinton would demand equal
time.

I just find it a bit distasteful and distressing that his show has become
one big campaign commercial.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Tax Increases - A Little Truth
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:35:19 GMT

In article <BtC6JH.G6E@newcastle.ac.uk> Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes:
>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>>Willie won't win his own home state.  The people there KNOW him.
>
>Um, as I understood it he was re-elected governor a couple of
>times.  Is this wrong, or are you saying they would vote for
>him for governor but not president?
>
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	He's right.  Arkansas has been a big Democrat state
since way back before the civil war when it had to politically
defend its right to keep slaves.

			J. Wagner
From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Summary Mon 8/31/92
Keywords: Unofficial Summary Rush Limbaugh
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Distribution: world,usa,na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:47:41 GMT

In article <1883@celia.UUCP>, steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:

|> ->	Dog racing is not a government owned monopoly, it is a private concern
|> ->that is taxed by the government. The governer made two changes to the rules,
|> ->he lowered the percentage of the governments take by 1% (ie: reduced the tax)
|> ->but expanded the number of hours the tracks were allowed to operate 
|> ->(ie: reduced the restrictions). The net result was an increase in state
|> ->revenue from increased track profits.
|> 
|> ->	Sounds a whole bunch like capital gans cuts to me.
|> 
|>  Please someone explain why
|> 
|>    "Sounds a whole bunch like a capital gains tax cut to me"


	Ok, Reeeeel slow, just for steve. Ready?

	Clinton cut the taxes on dog racing, like bush would cut capital
	gains.

	Clinton then relaxed regulations, so that more dog racing happened.
	This is what happens with a capital gains tax, more investment is
	made.

	The state picked up revenue from the increased betting at a lower 
	tax rate, just a increased investment would result in higher revenue.

	Are we there yet, steve? Think real hard ...

-- 
                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that 
encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice 
witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: fishead@cwis.unomaha.edu (David L. Britton)
Subject: Re: SPINDOCTORS
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:13:10 GMT

I seriously doubt that Rush has the time to thoroughly investigate the 
performers of all his lead in music.  I think you're being just a little
bit nit picky.  Besides, it's a cool tune.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Anybody have tapes for 9/1 and 9/2?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:56:24 GMT
Distribution: usa,alt
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

My local EIB affiliate decided to broadcast Dodgers games instead of the 
third hour of Rush's show both today and yesterday. If anyone has tapes of
the third hour of these shows (9/1 and 9/2), and is willing to send me copies,
I'd be eternally grateful as it would allow me to start off the month with
complete summaries. I'll be willing to pay $5 to cover costs for copying 
these tapes and sending them to me, and I'll return the tapes immediately
the next day after I make my own copies of them. Please email if you are
kind enough to do this for a poor, struggling summary writer.

Fortunately, I discovered that my radio at home can pick up another EIB 
affiliate in Los Angeles, so hopefully in the future I will be able to 
reliably pick up Rush's show no matter what. Thanks to one and all - 
John Switzer, jrs@netcom.com
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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Rush Limbaugh Newsletter Information/Phone Numbers
Keywords: Newsletter,Rush,Limbaugh,EIB
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:00:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I heard today while listening to the program Rush's newsletter is
coming out soon.

Twelve monthly issues will cost $29.00 a year, the first due out in
late September.

To order via credit card you can call 1-800-457-4141.  If you have any
questions or wished to be billed for you subscription, call 1-800
829-5386.  This is Customer Service, and they were very helpful.

Here are two other toll free numbers for Rush.  If you want to order
Rush videos, 1-800-622-7874.  To order merchandise, 1-800-678-7491.

Dittos


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