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From: jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO)
Subject: Re: ACC Review
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:21:04 GMT


Ah...I'm laughing my head off....I totally misread your post...
Thought you said UNC was gonna beat FSU 38-14. :) Sorry for
the misinterpretation.  (and the waste of bandwidth).

						JCHO@nmsu.edu




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From: echen@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ed Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:22:30 GMT
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Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <4cL303jSa9Xj00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>
>Bzzzzzt! Thank you for playing but that is the wrong answer! Carol Merril will
>have some nice parting gifts for you! This common opponent garbage has gone
>way too far now! AZ shows up in Miami, the week before the FSU game, in the 

Why do I get this feeling that if Miami had smashed AZ 45-0 or something you
guys would be exclaming how good a measuring stick this common opponent is?

IMHO, the common opponent IS a more valid data point than "We've beaten the
#3,7...& you the #12, 21 23 (or something)".  Eventhough not much better.

Last year Miami beat AZ in AZ by a score of (from memory) 29-3.  UW beat AZ
at UW 54-3 (or was it 0?).  In that case, IMHO, there were no significant
information from it - both teams crushed AZ.  This year, if the GAME (not simply
the final score) between UW & AZ is also really close (say within 7 points - 
AZ still in the game in the last 4 mins), then same thing could be said, no
significant info.  But if UW beats AZ handily in AZ - then I do believe there
is valid point in arguing UW is better than Miami.  Now, Just to Show My 
Objectivity (JSMO), if AZ beats UW in a close game - no info, but UW will
drop from #1 contention & Miami deserves the #1 (note this still doesn't
give any data as which team is better).  If AZ crushes (no way!) UW, then
the data indicates Miami is much better than UW. 

There is obviously a lot of variables - but this is college football - you
have to wave you hands a little.....

>third week of the season with a 1-1 record and plays the game of its life and 
>loses. But bouyed by that confidence building loss they kick the corn-squeezins
>out of UCLA and are now threatening to have a good season. They wil NOT sneak 
>up on Washington now. Washington, like Miami will probably be playing much 
>better ball in week 8 or 9 than in week three. AZ will likely get creamed in 
>Seattle. Means nothing about the comparative strengths of the teams.  Iowa 

						Ed
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Subject: Re: Sunday morning QB
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 05:44:50 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:

> 
> * Hawaii, playing their 3rd road game, finally came apart in Utah.
>   The WAC is San Diego State's to lose. They play Hawaii in SD, 
>   and except for back-to-back road games in ColoSt and Wyoming, 
>   they have no threats at all. 
> 
> 

     Except that SDSU doesn't play Utah, who is also undefeated so far.  
If they stay that way, Utah goes to the Holiday Bowl, since they've never 
been there.

> 	SDSU -22 vs. UTEP
> 	[incredible mismatch, SDSU likes to score and put on a good
> 	display in their 1st official home game]
> 
> 

     Yes, well, they decided they had to get something going with the 
passing game after the UCLA pounding.  I expect them to win big, but I'm 
still concerned that so many receivers keep dropping passes.  If they 
allow many more 8 man fronts, like they did against UCLA, Faulk's going t 
to take some serious pounding before the end of the season.

-Bob

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From: quangl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Quang Le)
Subject: Re: So Who will be the No1!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:17:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.224905.13203@u.washington.edu> sujan@stein.u.washington.edu (Sujan Punyamurthula) writes:
>So much for the discussion of current No.1.
>Let us see if u football pundits can predict
>the No1 at the end of the season.. ie. the real No1 !
>
>Here is the top ten list from coaches poll.
>
>I don't know the schedule strengths of some( or most).
>So can some one please fill the gaps
>
>Poll
>CNN AP NY   Team         Current Record     Upsetiers!
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> 1  1   1 - Washington          4-0    California, Stanford, Arizona
>                                                  
> 2  2   4 - Miami               4-0    Penn State,Boston College
>                                                
> 3  3   2 - Michigan            3-0-1  Michigan State
>                                                  
> 4  5  13 - Texas A&M           5-0    None :)
                                        ----> Will be the turkey in Turkey's day
                                              :-)     
>                                                  
> 5  7  14 - Penn State          5-0    Miami
>                                                  
> 6  4   3 - Tennessee           5-0   
>                                                   ??? ...
> 7  6   5 - Alabama             5-0
>                                                  
> 8  8  16 - Florida State       4-1
>                                                  
> 9  9  25 - Colorado            5-0
>                                                  
>10 10  18 - Virginia            5-0
>                                               
>
>
>Go Huskies
>sj
>
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> -------------------------


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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: U2 at Legion Field .........
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:30:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.180403.12785@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.072636.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>Irish Rock Band U2 performed at Legion Field in Birmingham Alabama this
>>week.  After the concert, lead singer Bono complained heavily about the
>>artificial turf at Legion Field.  He also said that in the future, he and
>>the rest of U2 would much rather perform at Auburn's Jordan-Hare Stadium and
>>bama's Denny "Grand Slum" Stadium on alternating years!  On a related note,
>>U2 guitarist "The Edge" had no comment on being allowed to perform despite
>>two drunk driving arrests in the past four months......
> 
>     Perhaps he was afraid that one of you auburn chaps had a tape
> recorder in your pocket and he didn't want to hear his statements
> turn up again when times get hard.  Now, as for how they got the
> loan from Colonial Bank in auburn, I haven't a clue.  Also, "The
> Edge" broke curfew, got into a brawl, and is rumored to have taken an
> illegal trip not at his own expense.  The band's manager assured us he 
> would be punished and indeed he was.  In a stunning display of discipline,
> a roady struck the first note of the first song on The Edge's
> guitar.  The Edge then played the rest of the concert.
 
Oh, what the hell, one more...

One irate U2 fan, upset because rival Garth Brooks SOLD OUT in Birmingham
while U2 had several thousand unsold seats, responded by tossing a brick
through the windshield of the U2 tour bus.

Speaking of Garth, does anyone else think he looks a little like a young-ish
Pat Dye??  I wonder....

> --
> Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
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David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: WJS116@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NAIA Div II-Poll?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:27:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92283.132740WJS116
Organization: Penn State University

Can someone E-Mail (or post) the latest NAIA Div II football
poll?
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: the Heisman and Butkus awards (was: Re: Marshall Faulk)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:36:00 GMT
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <1992Oct6.172804.19210@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:

   In article <BvoAsC.BE6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum) writes:
   >>Glynn Milburn (Sp?) of Stanford really impressed me.  Maybe if Faulk
   >>falters ?

   >If I was a Heisman voter and the vote was today:

   >1. Marshall Faulk, RB (San Diego State)
   >2. Tyrone Wheatley, RB (Michigan)
   >3. Danan Hughes, WR (Iowa)

I was EXTREMELY impressed with Wheatley last weekend.  This guy is so
fast it's unbelievable.  I believe he was some sort of state sprint
champion in Michigan in high school.  He made Iowa tacklers miss, he
ran over them, and he ran away from them.  Of course, with three other
very good running backs to share the load with, Wheatley will never be
able to rack up Heisman numbers.  But I'm sure the pros are licking
their chops over this guy!


-Alan
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: (Brief) Big 10 Preview
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:04:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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  Wisconsin 24, Purdue 13 (sorry Brian): I'm sure UW remembers the          
  dismemberment it received from Purdue last year. It's homecoming and
  Barry Alvarez commented after the Iowa game that it was the first time in
  a long time that the defense  didn't play hard. Generally, the Badgers seem
  to respond to his challenges. 
  Iowa 20, Illinois 16: The Hawks have a tough offense. Illinois won't
  recover two fumbles near the goal line this week.
  Michigan 31, Indiana 13: Michigan will go to the Rose Bowl undefeated, but
  at Indiana, the Hoosiers should score late to beat the spread.
  Minnesota 24, Michigan State 20: Marquel Fleetwood makes a big play to win
  it for the Gophers.
  Ohio State 34, Northwestern 9: If the Bucks lose this, even I, a fan         
  accustomed to losing, would call for his job.
  Penn State 20, Boston College 16: After a tough loss to Miami, Joe gets
  his boys to realize they can't afford to lose this game.

  --salty

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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: I-AA stuff (Middle Tenn)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:38:08 GMT

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>
>I would rate them 
>
>N. Iowa
>Middle Tenn.
>Citadel
>Troy St.
>East St. Louis Sr.  #:^)

And where, pary tell, would you rank Idaho?  The Vandals are #4 in the
polls.  They whupped Colorado State in Fort Collins (especially in the
second half).  CSU has played Colorado tough, and beaten LSU.  Or is this
just your SCECMB (Small College East Coast Media Bias) showing through?

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Tough Pac10 teams
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:55:24 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


So ASU, Oregon, and OSU are tough teams.  I disagree. (X gets the square)
If I were to propose (to non-ACC fans) that games against UNC and NCSU were
tough games, how would that go over?  Not well, I'm thinking.  My guess is that
outside the ACC, the only perceived tough ACC teams are FSU and Clemson, and
this year Clemson isn't that good.  So to those outside the Southeast, FSU is
the only real ACC team, and they're in their first year in the conference.
Am I right?  Could I successfully say that UVA or Tech are tough teams?  My
point is that while to a Pac10 fan, OSU and ASU may seem like decent games, but
outside the conference, not too many people share this view.  You could go from
conference to conference mentioning different teams and saying that they're 
tough games, but those not familiar with the conference will likely say you're 
wrong.  What do non-Pac10 fans think of Washington St?  Probably they think that
WSU should play some REAL teams, and then we'll see if they're unbeaten.  Ditto
for Kansas and non-Big8 fans.  The same thing for various ACC, SWC, Big10, etc.
teams.  I'm not necessarily trying to flame the Pac10, just trying to say that
being familiar with how intense a rivalry is makes you more likely to regard
that game as "tough."  I might consider Tech playing at UNC to be challenging
but I wouldn't expect the rest of the country to agree.  As to scheduling, if
a ranked team plays all creampuffs, they will still have to play a decent team
in the bowl game.  Of course, I leave out the WAC champ in saying that, but how
could Miami possibly go unbeaten without playing several good teams during the
year?  FSU, Syracuse, SDSU, PSU are (collectively) a good schedule.  Of those,
I believe two are at home, two on the road, so they can't be accused of just
cowering in the Orange Bowl.  Look, I HATE Miami, but given that they've won
against #3 and #7, its tough to not to rank them #1.  Also, if your team is
unbeaten and in the top 5 near the END of the season, that is when it counts.
Who is #1 or #2 NOW won't cripple the #2 team's chances of winning the NC.
-- 
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From: stavast@rls.b11.ingr.com (Lyle Stavast)
Subject: Re: penn state's "ranking"
Reply-To: stavast@rls.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:28:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.170634.1@cc.uvcc.edu>, maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.142101.15257@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, yecx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
|> > Isn't it interesting that of the worst twenty teams in the nation, Penn State
|> > has played three of them (Maryland, Temple, Cincinatti), even had trouble with
|> > one of them (Cincinatti) and can be considered in the top ten of the country. 
|> > I believe they shouldn't get any credit until they DESERVE it.  Really now,
|> > what have they done to prove themselves.   IF  they win this weekend, the
|> > discussion might be different.  Until then . . . .
|> 
|> Yeh, I was hoping BYU might give them a challege later on AT BYU.  But it looks
|> like Penn St. will come into Cougar Stadium against a rebuilding Detmer-less
|> BYU offense.  BYU did sneak passed UTEP and Utah St. for their two wins.
|> 
|> Maybe, they can sneak passed Penn St...

30-9 isn't a sneak folks...

|> 
|> arthur

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From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: TROJAN NEWS VOL.11 (3-Game Stats)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:44:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Here's the 3-game stats:

RECORD: 1-1-1

SCORING BY QUARTERS:
--------------------
             1     2     3     4     TOT
USC          17    14    7     23     61
OPP          21     3    34     0*    58
------------------------------------------

TEAM STATS:
-----------
                      USC              OPP
                      ---              ---
First Downs            54               46
Rushes/yds        134/395 (2.9)     97/369 (3.1)
Passing yds           752              494
Plays/net yds   222/1,147 (5.1)    203/863 (4.3)
Turnovers              10**              7
Penalties/yds      21/197           17/137
Time of poss.       93:56            86:04

RUSHING LEADERS:
----------------
             ATT:         YDS        TD's***   AVG
             ----         ---        ---       ---
Crayton       60          237         0        3.1
McFadden      29          136         0        3.1
--------------------------------------------------

RECEIVING LEADERS:
-----------------
              REC         YDS        TD's      AVG
              ---         ---        ---       ---
Conway         19         307         3        16.0
Hannah          6         124         0        20.5
Morton          4          93         3        23.3
--------------------------------------------------------------
PASSING LEADERS:
---------------
            ATT           COMP         YDS       TDS       INT
            ---           ---          ---       ---       ---
Johnson      79             41 (50.2%) 555         5         3
Perry        13              6 (40.8%) 136         1         1
Wachholtz     6              3 (50.0%) 31          0         1
--------------------------------------------------------------
OPP         106             49 (40.6%) 494         4         3

SPECIAL STAT:* USC opponents have yet to score a point in the fourth quarter..

             ** 41 out of the 58 total points that USC's opponents have
                   scored have come from the result of a USC turnover...
           
             *** A USC running back has yet to score a TD this season..


Fight On, Beat The Ducks!
Valdis Kalejs
From: KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu (Kurt Ludwick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:57:26 GMT
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In article <AeoSSny00iV304llsz@andrew.cmu.edu>, William Karamo Motley
<wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:

>You're all wrong!
>The best marching band was my high school marching band!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, my high school band will kick your high school band's butt any day!
Though we're both better than PITT's band.

>Save this marching band stuff for another bboard please!!!!!!!!!

Hey, the subject line is there to warn off people who don't care.
College bands are an important part of college football, so they are
discusses here.  If you don't like that, too bad.

Though I wish you people would take your football discussions to another
group... it bothers us musicians here.  :)

------------
Kurt Ludwick
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:30:13 GMT

I was discussing the SEC championship scenario with a friend of mine who is
an avid Tennesee fan. He claims that the UT/BAMA game ('the third Saturday
in October') is the biggest rivalry in the country, and if
Tennesee manages to beat Bama the first time around and both teams play in
the championship, it will be the 'biggest event in the south since the
burning of Atlanta'. Do 'Bama fans view the rivalry in the same way? Is
the 'third Saturday in October' always the most important game of the year 
for you? As a Michigan fan and alum, I 'grew up' believing that no rivalry
could be as intense as the Michigan-OhioState game. After reading this
newsgroup, I hear about Notre Dame-USC and THE GAME between Cal and Stanford.

What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
they as intense to both teams?

-bob
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: interceptions and safeties (was: Re: Washington 17 USC 12+ ?)
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:51:53 GMT

In article <16879E565.SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
>crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>Bailey ran out of the endzone on the side and just tossed the ball to an
>>official.  You don't have to touch your knee down...running out the side
>>of the endzone is also sufficient to end the play.  By the way, unlike the way your
>>title suggests, it is virtually impossible to score a safety on an
>>interception.  In order for this to happen, the defensive player must
>>voluntarily run into the endzone after catching the ball.  If a defensive
>>player catches it in the endzone and never makes it out, it is a touchback.
>>If the defensive player catches it at the one yard line and his momentum
>>carries him in, the ball will be placed at the one yard line unless he
>>returns it out further than that.  The only way a ball intercepted in the
>>endzone could lead to a safety is if the defensive player tried to run it out,
>>then changed his mind and went back into the end zone and downed the ball.
> 
>When an interception occurs in the endzone and, in the judgement of the
>official, there is no attempt to advance the ball then the ball is
>dead and the play is ruled a touchback.  This is what you witnessed
>in the USC @ UW game.

And in the '90 UW-Colorado game; remember how that one ended, Huskies?
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From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 23:18:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.192903.33776@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Alright fans, let's hear your arguments!!!  Who in the world can deny that
>the Miami Hurricanes are the #1 team in the nation, without a doubt???
>Not only are they undefeated...
>Not only have they beat a number of ranked/tough opponents...
>But...
>
>In successive weeks, they have taken down #3 Flordia State, and now, they
>have travelled to #7 Penn State, and beat them on their own turf...

Don't forget, they CRUSHED Arizona. A team that managed to TIE mighty
Oregon State, and BARELY lost to powerhouse Cal State Fullerton...

Yup, definite #1 ...

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