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From: jcl@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (John C. Laviolette)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:15:06 GMT
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

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In article <kbennett.717708868@milton> kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu
(K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:
>Well let's not even mention that Kate Bush's album _Hounds_Of_Love_
>contains a hymn to the Goddess as well as a "you are there" kind of song
>about the witch trials.  A general mysticism pervades the whole disc.
>
>Gotta love it.
>
>And even though U2 is supposedly Christian, I really had to wonder
>about "Mysterious Ways" with its lines about nature and "sister moon"
>and the chorus "she moves in mysterious ways."  Maybe they are still
>Christian but have expanded their theology to include the idea that
>god is in nature and can have any gender....!
 
    Might as well mention Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull as well.  His
"religion" seems to be "mystic deism/humanism" or something, but he loves
Pagan imagery, such as in "Cup of Wonder" (a song about Beltain,)
"Ring Out, Solstice Bells" (about the winter solstice,) and "Jack in the
Green" from the _Songs from the Wood_ album, or the song "Beltaine"
from the _25 Years_ album.
    Some sample lyrics:
 
              Join in Black December's sadness,
                   Lie in August's welcome corn,
              Stir the cup that's ever brimming
                   With the blood of all that's born;
              For the May Day is the great day,
                   Sung along the old straight track;
              Those who ancient lines did ley
                   Will heed the song that calls them back.
 
                        --- "Cup of Wonder"
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From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Rain was (night and winter)
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:01:18 GMT

electric@meltdown.chi.il.us (Rick Martinez) writes:
> My favourite weather.....Rain.

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
>I, too, love the rain.

pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
> Speaking of rain, you peoples who love rain gotta love Hana, Maui, Hawai'i.
> Hana is 75-85 oF year round.

Well, I don't like the rain *freezing* like Bekki Lyn does, but
I *do* like it cold!  I haven't been to Maui, but the rain
forests in the eastern half of Hawai'i (the big island) and on
the north coast of Kauai are both too warm for me.

Even if it's only 80 degrees F, with the humidity, I'm simply
dripping the whole time!  The next time I go there, I'll
announce it to the net, and y'all can buy stock in deodorant
companies.

Blessings!

		-- radzy

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wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Thunderstorms   (was: Re: Night and Winter)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 18:00:54 PDT

Re: Re: night and winter
By: tedwards #0 @src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) USEnet      

Other good things to do before a thunderstorm.
1. Make sure you have your personal computer plugged into a power line
surge protector (try any large discount store in electrical, look for
something that says surge protected power strip or something like that)
2. Plug your modem into a phone line surge protector.

A lightning stroke in the wrong place can put tens of thousands of volts on
a AC power line. If this gets into your computer, it will be a while before
you get to read this newsgroup again.

During a thunderstorm...
1. If you don't have a surge protector, unplug your computer from the wall
and from the phone line. (lightning bolts can hit phone lines, though they
usually favor power lines, they are generally placed higher and are better
targets for this reason.
If you are plugged into a power strip, turn IT off. 
2. Unplugging your computer is probably a better idea in any case.
3. Go out and play with a clear conscience, knowing that short of a bolt
hitting your house and burning it down, that your computers and your files
will still be intact when you return.

(ordinary power switches don't mean a lot against a direct power line hit.)

Another bit of arcane lore from...
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From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Polarity in ritual
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:37:56 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Does anyone have practical suggestions for creating public ritual that
doesn't alienate les/bi/gay people with heterosexist or overly
polarity-based imagery, while at the same time not alienating or
excluding heterosexuals?  It's possible to come up with completely
inoffensive stuff, but it tends to be pablum.  We need better than that.

I've sometimes felt that because my working partner in the Craft is
male, some participants are going to see anything we do together as
polarity-based heterosexual ritual.  I have no idea what to do about
that.

Storm/Mary K. Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
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From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Ways
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:08:06 GMT

perky@acs.bu.edu (Melissa Sherrin) writes:


>Whoah there, Mr. Paul Harvey... underground hip-hop/rasta music inappropriate 
>for pagans?  I certainly hope not, since I love the alternative scene.  I do 
>like some folksy stuff, but my truer love would have to be with groups like
>The Cure, The Sisters of Mercy, James, etc...  What kind of music does everyone
>listen to here?  I've wondered, and now that I can post, I ask...
>Melissa 

Well this is interesting.. As far as I know or am concerned there is
no such thing as appropriate music for pagans..but there is a certain
leaning towards folk, recorder, and a capella that I lean towards for
pagan ritual ( ala Libana, etc ) . When NOT in ritual, I will listen to
almost anything as long as it is performed well and does not hurt my
ears too much. I seem to prefer Rock and Folk Rock from the 60's and
70's, R&B and gospel, Jazz from any era ( cool and interpretive), 
BUT when in certain moods , I will also just as much enjoy..
Classical (preferably choral ), Reggae, Hip-Hop, SOME Rap ( not violent
or sexist!).

I guess the only kinds of music I don't like are heavy metal, which
seems too simplistic for my tastes, and Tammy Wynette brand of country
which makes me want to puke.

Oh..I forgot, I also love Bluegrass.
-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Youthful experiences
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:27:49 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1133@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:

>	As a latecomer to the group I probably did not see the impetus of the 
>current topics, but it seems to me that many of us Pagan-folk where
>ostricized at a young age. Social outcasts, invisible children or
>outright loathed by the masses around us. Is this painful awakening
>in any way reposible/related to our being Pagan? 

Yes I have noticed this consistently among Pagans, particularly those
of an experiential and experimental nature. 

I put it down to the energy required to change the defaults.
Society/the establishment/whatever has a set of default or normal
behaviours and some pretty fearsome means of getting us *all* to make
sure we conform. (IMHO etc of course ;-)

Pushing against a default takes energy and determination. Pagans seem
to choose several areas to change their defaults. This instantly marks
them out as different, not normal, and the rest of our peers try to
enforce conformance.

Its like the whole of society is some sort of surface tension, pulling
us back under if we let them.

I think the pain of not belonging causes some deeper self-examination
than the rest of the populace have time for, or need. For the outcast,
such self-evaluation becomes an urgent necessity.

Could explain some things I suppose.

--
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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: The Serpent
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 09:48:49 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents

What do any of you know of the serpent?

Anything would be welcome; comments, references . . .

Gil

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Darkover Grand Council Meeting XIV
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:07:11 GMT

Greetings one and all. I just thought I'd post this info in case anyone
out there is interested.

The Darkover Grand Council will be meeting in Timonium, MD on November
27-29 at the Holiday Inn, Timonium. The cost for the weekend is $24
per person until November 1, and then it goes up to $28.

Guests will include Janet Kagan, Marion Zimmer Bradely (health permitting),
and Katherine Kurtz. Other guest authors/artists include Julia Ecklar,
Diana Paxson, Don Sakers, Lisa Barnett, and Jaqueline Lichtenburg.

Katherine Kurtz usually holds services for any Michaelines present.

There will be various workshops, art show, bardic circle, costume contest,
and a Regency Ball (Regency dress strongly encouraged, but not required).

For more information write;

	Armida Council
	P.O. Box 7203
	Silver Spring, MD 20907

If there are any other Darkover fans out here who are interested, maybe 
I'll see you there. I'll be there on the Saturday only, and going to the
Regency Ball. If I can corner Katherine Kurtz, I want to ask her more
about the Michaelines. I may also be attending the bardic circle, but I'm 
playing that one by ear (as it were <grin>), since I'll have guests in
from out of town and we're not staying at the hotel, but at my place about
an hour south of there. There will be several people working the convention
who know me. Just ask around.

Bb,
Corun

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: rlove@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Rebecca M. Love)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:45:30 GMT

In article <1a9tofINNfv1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
>
>I've been taking a course in the literature and history of ancient Israel
>for some time now... this is in regards to T.O. Radzykewycz's
>statement about jealous gods that won't allow any competition having
>serious problems.
>
> [stuff deleted]
>intervening bits were inserted at a later date). According to various 
>studies of this section, it's generally agreed that verse 11, among other
>bits of Exodus, show (in the original Hebrew, mind ye, and I've got a printed
>version of the Hebrew right here) that the Israelites believed in other gods.
>And that God knew they believed in other gods- at least, this is how the
>ancient authors, whoever they might have been, viewed it. It's merely that
>the Israelites who wrote this bit were trying very, very hard indeed to
>cast off their time in Egypt, and rejected their polytheistic past as 
>violently as possible. Under their form of radical Yahwism (it wasn't Judaism
> [stuff deleted]
>one god. They did accept that there were other gods, but this one was theirs,
>and they had to stick to this one.

    WOW!!!!! Another biblical Judaism scholar...I was beginning to think
that I was the only one in the world?!!!  I think I am in love...
(google eyes)...

>I don't know if that counts, or if it's just random junk to you, or what.

   It's not random junk to me...and for the most part I agree....it is just
some specifics that I would love to discuss...:)

>Jessica McGeary
>jmm25@po.cwru.edu
>Case Western Reserve University
>Remember! Arguments should be FUN!

Becky
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the chocolate chip cookie that ate Cleveland
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:04:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <2ACBB64F.2220@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> 
> In article <17755@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
> >
> >Praise to the Goddess of Dark Chocolate for her bounty!
> 
> Of course, you ARE aware of who the net Bitch Goddess of Dark Choclate
> is, now aren't you . . . ?
> 
> I'll be expecting a Hershey's Tithe in the mail. 
> 
> Blessings,
> Janis 

It's on the way, but in the meantime will you take another recipe?

CHOCOLATE TRUFFLE TART

Crust:
2/3 c. flour
1/2 c. sugar
1/2 c. walnuts, ground
3/4 stick butter, softened
1/3 c. cocoa

Filling:
1 c. heavy cream
1/4 c. sugar
1 8-oz. pkg. semi-sweet chocolate baking bars
2 tsp. seedless raspberry jam

Instructions:

Crust:  Preheat oven to 350F.  In small bowl, beat crust ingredients
until soft dough forms.  Press dough into 9-inch fluted tart pan with
removable bottom. Bake 12-14 minutes until puffed.  Cool completely.
Filling:  In medium saucepan, bring cream and sugar just to boil,
stirring occasionally.  Remove from heat.  Stir in chocolate baking 
bars and jam; cool 5 minutes.  Whisk until chocolate is melted and
mixture is smooth.  Transfer to small mixer bowl; chill 45-60 min.  
Beat filling until color lightens slightly. Pour into crust.

Blessings,

Richard
(Tuneweaver)

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: A Novice Asks...
Keywords: Paganism
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:03:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.193232.18469@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rlove@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Rebecca M. Love) writes:
>In article <29SEP199218211057@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>>Read this newsgroup
>>Read pagan magazines...
>>"Circle Network News"
>>"Green Egg"
>
>   I have heard alot about these magizines....but I have never seen
>them.  Does anyone know where in Northern VA I could get a hold of them,
>or an address to write for a subscription?
> 
>Becky

Don't know about No. Va., but you could try Chuck & Dave's bookstore in
Takoma Park, MD. I was in there last week and asking after the Green Egg,
and the guy I spoke to seemed to think it was no longer being printed,
though I have seen it in there in the past. Anyone know if Green Egg has
passed on? If not, you can get it there. If you take ther Metro, get on the
Red Line, and get off at Takoma Park, the last stop in the District (but
not the last stop on the line). It's a short walk to the center of town,
and the bookstore is up there. There's also a metaphysical chapel that
has a monthly Psychic Fair. Unfortunately, this month's was today, and
I don't have the schedule of events for November.

Bb,

Corun
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From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Subject: Re: Oh, Bother revisited
Originator: blchapma@c00466-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:15:17 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.131647.4480@desire.wright.edu>, josborne@desire.wright.edu writes:
|>   I can't believe it.  An entire worldwide network of computer nerds and nobody
|> knows where Ailsa got "Oh, bother."  It's Winnie the Pooh!  Come on guys,
|> what are you doing on Saturday mornings?  Studying?
|> 
|> 
|>                          Fan of the Pooh Bear. 

I, for one, am sleeping soundly on Saturday mornings.

Studying?  In the *morning*?  Hmmph!!!!!! :-)
-- 

Bekki Lyn

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"All's well at the midnight hour; you're ready to fly
 Don't think about the darkness, or the rumbling in the sky.
 Somewhere on the morning road just waiting for you
 Some things that just could never be are calling up a
   spell so you can see..
 Dream Evil, the dark that you find in the back of your mind
 Dream Evil Dream Evil -- DIO --
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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Birth data (was Re: a nice experience...)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.131354.1860@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes...
> 
>Janis wrote:
>> ailsa wrote:
>> >birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
>> >delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
>> >good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)
>> 
>> >so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...
>> 
>> Well, hell -- everyone else is replying.  March 6, 1966 -- 4:18pm.  All
>> I know is that I'm Pisces, but I'm not an astrology believer.
> 
>What the heck... June 1, 1964.  I was born at 3:07pm... my sister followed
>at 3:22pm.  I'm a Gemini... and for those who don't know, that's the twins.
>Cool eh? ;)

Can I jump on this bandwagon tooooo?

Mine is October 17, 1964 (yep in about two weeks.....).  Born in
Houston, Texas during a cold front at about 12:45 (well...12:4?).
I'm a libra and I act like one too!

Tammy
> 
> 
>Blessings,
> 
>    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
>  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
> (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
>----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:45:55 GMT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:

>
> I was wondering if anyone has collected a list of pop stars who are de
> non-Christian.  I can think of a few off-hand... the Red Hot Chili Pep
> (according to a friend of mine) claim to be Satanic, Tears for Fears a
> as are XTC, I believe.  Anyone else have contributions?  Thanks!
>
can neither confirm nor deny the above, but i know, cos she has said
so, that stevie nicks is a Witch.

                                             -ailsa

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desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
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From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:34:19 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>If I understand things correctly, then Christianity, as
>currently practiced, *does* claim that no other gods exist.  And
>Judaism claims that other gods *do* exist, but that it is evil
>to worship them.  Of course, I realize that different xtian
>cults have different views of things like this.  I don't
>completely understand either view, and I would be very happy to
>be (further) corrected.

	I would say that as far as I know contemporary Judaism does not
confirm the existance of other gods (no I'm not Jewish - but I grew up on
Long Island!  Surely that qualifies me!  :)   but now that you mention it -
heck there is some weird stuff lurking in Judaism.  Does anyone know for
sure what the Judaic position _now_ on other gods is?  It would be
interesting ...

Cheers,
Carl

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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:25:28 GMT


Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
with a big red cross, reading:

	Are you ready for the rapture?

	Jesus is coming

	October 28, 1992

Anybody out there got a clue as to where this originated?

Actually, I think my first encounter was 'way back in the late
winter - I was driving through central New Hampshire when a
car passed by with much the same thing emblazoned on the sides.

How widespread is this . . . this . . . I suppose it would be
rude to describe it as "terrorism" . . . this phenomenon?  Are these
things showing up in other parts of the country?  Other parts of
the world?



I've been tempted to go around putting up signs next to them with a
big pentacle, reading:

	After the rapture . . .

	Come celebrate with the meek!

	October 29, 1992

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
From: scotti@teal.csn.org (Stewart Scott)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: test
Summary: Just a test message.
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:18:08 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

Just a wee test message...