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From: neveu@tintin (Jean-Sebastien Neveu)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:35:37 GMT

Steve Potter (steven@spxtech.qc.ca) wrote:
:               Bienvenue au Quebec, ou
: 
:   "nous avons suspendu les libertes fondamentales..."
:                             
:       {Premier Robert Bourassa, 14 Mars, 1989}
: 
: 
: 
:            Welcome to Quebec, where
: 
:   "we have suppressed fundamental liberties..."
: 
:    {Premier Robert Bourassa, March 14th, 1989}
: 
: 
: -- 
:   ///==================================================================\\\
:   ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
:   ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
:   |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||


*:-)

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Newsgroups: talk.politics,soc.culture,mtl.general,can.general,can.politics
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:44:17 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 611

              Bienvenue au Quebec, ou

  "nous avons suspendu les libertes fondamentales..."
                            
      {Premier Robert Bourassa, 14 Mars, 1989}



           Welcome to Quebec, where

  "we have suppressed fundamental liberties..."

   {Premier Robert Bourassa, March 14th, 1989}


-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
Subject: Re: black squirrels
Organization: McGill University
Distribution: mtl
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:21:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.191330.19403@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> 
>alex@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (A. Okapuu-von Veh) writes:
> How about *red* squirrels?  They're all over Europe, but not
> here.  Likewise, you'll never see a grey squirrel in Europe. Hmmm....
> 
> Alex
> 

Not true! England (which *is* part of europe) has mostly grey
squiirels. When I was a kid (in the 60's) it was very rare to
see a red squirrel in North Wales....the grey squirrels were
bigger and more agressive and had driven the red sqirrels from
their habitat. I suspect the grey squirrels were not indiginous,
though. 

Dave.
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Subject: Re: who's forcing whom to work?
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:43:27 GMT

In article <19DEC92.17982847.0113@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.181931.15934@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE) writes:
>>
>>I think most people would agree that at least certain people
>>should work on Sunday- eg. bus drivers, metro operators, gas stations,
>>local small food store. We need to have transportation to get
>>places (case in point- even those visiting family), gas is needed
>>if we take the car, and people shouldn't have to be inconvenienced
>>if they need some food items. The answer to the above argument is
>>simply to let those people who really don't care about it, let
>>them work Sunday if they choose to. The others work on other
>>days of the week. Of course, nobody should be -forced- to work
>>on Sunday.
>>
>This strikes me as very naive.  Both my parents worked in
>essential services.  Both had to work Sundays.  Neither liked
>it very much, but it was part of the job.  Unless you offer
>colossal shift bonuses for working Sundays, I don't think you
>can be guaranteed of finding enough volunteers to work Sunday.
>Some people _will_ be forced to work on Sunday.
>
>Tom Box
>CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
>

 I agree with Tom. My girlfriend, who works in retail, has been told
 that she must work one Sunday a month. While I don't consider this
 excessive, the choice of whether or not to work is not there. The
 government said nobody can be forced to work Sund. Well, try to
 complain to Normes des Travailles. It's like banging your head on the
 wall. If you don't have a union to file your complaint, you beef gets
 placed in the circular file. Anyway, if she refused to work on her
 Sunday, other people would resent her taking the time off. And quitting
 is not an option is these days of high unemployment. It's a no-win
 situation for all working. BTW, her total number of hours is NOT
 increasing. They just take some from the rest of the week.

 Brian Spencer (bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)
From: Mark.Kraml@f250.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Mark Kraml)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: FOR SALE !!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:16:20 GMT

Hello Gil!

Friday December 11 1992, Gil Morisset writes to All:

 GM> For Sale !
 GM> A country that doen't and can't realise where it's from and where it's
 GM> going ! A country thar refuses to recognise Le Fait Franais !

you must be talking about new brunswick. i guess you didnt hear it the Bloc
Quebecois that blocked passage of the law making new brunswick the first
bilingual province in canada. i suspect you dont really understand who does
not believe in canada here.

my french freinds say they are "ashamed" of having a law like "101" and "178".
i told them i am a born quebecois also i am also ashamed. it seems the
government and the media was also ashamed when mordecai richler published our
little xenophobic secrets in new yorker magazine.

Mark
From: Ward.Grantham@f210.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Ward Grantham)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Gun Control Petition
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:01:54 GMT

I just have to say a few things on this point. Handguns serve no useful
purpose in a urban society, it dosn't matter what the rational used to justify
their legality, they serve no purpose. We can talk of collecters, we can talk
of dope dealers, we can talk of killing people with knives, cars, rocks, or
what ever, but the point remains that guns are only used for shooting and
killing. Most people don't as a rule use their car for that purpose, nor do
they use their rocks.
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: saiasr@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Saias Remi)
Subject: Re: black squirrels
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: mtl
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:10:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.161818.12990@cs.mcgill.ca> depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit) writes:
>
>I just saw a black squirrel today. 
>Ya see them all over the place in ottawa, but I never saw one in montreal
>before, and I've been here for 5 years now...
>
>just thought you'd all like to know..
>
>-- 
>| Alan Ezust    depeche@cs.mcgill.ca   McGill University Computer Science    |
>|------------------------Montreal, Quebec, Canada (?)------------------------|
>|  I'm not much of a night person. I'm *definitely* not a morning person.    |
>|  I'm not really an afternoon person either. Does this mean I'm a nobody?   |

Each time i go through the little wood behind the 
sanctuaire, i saw a black squirrel, always the same...
He seems to be more shy than others...
From: root@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca (SuperAbuser (Alain Simon))
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Re: Politics in mtl.general
	<1992Dec13.145431.14555@zap.uucp>
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:31:12 EST

In <1992Dec13.145431.14555@zap.uucp>
fortin@zap.uucp (Denis Fortin)
wisely proposes,
> Actually, we should probably create something like qc.general
> and qc.politique for discussion of Quebec-specific issues...
> Is there any interest in something like this?
in response to:
> In <Bz5w7B.77J@newsflash.concordia.ca>
> rclark@alcor.concordia.ca (Richard Clark) writes:
> >I'm really sick of reading stupid political statements in mtl.general.
> >If you people want to trade insults, may I recommend email so that
> >other people don't have to read it.

	Yes.  I am glad you proposed it.
	And mtl.politics, since we have a municipal basket
	of crabs as well.

ps - Richard Clark - however right he may be on the surface - misses
     the fact that items of VERY WIDE interest may be legitimately
     cross-posted to a number of groups, including mtl.general.  As
     happens with broadly defined subjects, the follow-ups may or may
     not be narrower in scope.  For example, the Concordia petition
     was of general interest; some of the followups were very clearly
     political.  What to do in such cases?  Redirect, spawn a new thread,
     or let the readers exercise their right to presss on the "n" key?
     I believe all three approaches are valid, depending on what the
     writer's slant and motivations are.  Let's remember that the
     real world is not rigidly compartimented  and that the readers is
     always the final authority as to whether or not it/he/she wants to
     be subjected to someone else's writings and as to if/how it/he/she
     will followup.


--
 Alain - Canadian Patent #1310575
 [ ... usual disclaimer... ]
Newsgroups: talk.politics,soc.culture,mtl.general,can.general,can.politics
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:34:13 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 2768

From article <1992Dec14.111646.29839@spxtech.qc.ca>, by steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter):
> From article <1992Dec11.234506.11710@sobeco.com>, by rcroteau@sobeco.com (r.croteau):
>> In <1992Dec11.094417.27816@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>> 
>>>              Bienvenue au Quebec, ou
>> 
>>>  "nous avons suspendu les libertes fondamentales..."
>>>                            
>>>      {Premier Robert Bourassa, 14 Mars, 1989}
>>
>> [Eng. trans.]
>>
>> 	In which speech was this said ? 
> 
> I will try to get a copy of the Hansards - it might be worth posting -
> if only to put the remark in its proper context.
> 

I have the hansards : Tuesday, 14th March 1989 : Vol. 30 - No 87

Bourassa was responding to a question (from Guy Cheverette, I think) 
about Bill 178 and the Supreme Court Ruling.

It was a fairly lengthy exchange : here is the relevant "context":-

He said (at about 14:30) :-

"Premierment, M. le President, a l'interieur des commerces, alors qu'on
parlait d'equivalence de l'anglais et du francais, nous remplacons cela
par 'nette predominance'. Il me semble que la nette predominance est un
concept plus fort que l'equivelence, pour ceux qui veulent bien comprendre.
Premier aspect.

Deuxieme aspect. A l'article 60 de la loi 101, comme l'a signale le ministre
de l'education depuis quelques jours, il y avait au moins une ambiguite
sur l'affichage exterieur. L'artice 60 disait 'dans les etablissements'.
Il y avait donc une ambiguite qui faisait que certains pouvalent penser a
afficher en anglais a l'exterieur. Nous avons corrige cette ambiguite.
Maintenent, la regle absolue a l'exterieur, c'est le francais. Deuxieme
aspect.

Et troisieme aspect, M. le President, qui se trouve a renforcer la loi 101
nous avons invoque la clause 'nonobstant', nous avons suspendu les libertes
fondamentales. Ce n'est jamais arrive dans l'histoire du Quebec qu'un
gouvernement suspende les libertes fondamentales pour protege la culture
et la langue francaises. C'est un fait. En invoquant la clause 'nonobstant'
a l'encontre de l'article 2, la loi du pays nous permet de dire que, 
maintenant, nous pouvons afficher en francais d'une facon unilingue. Alors,
je donne trois examples bien precis que j'ai donne tantot aux dirigents du
mouvement Quebec francais. ....."

>
> The quote would look good on a big billboard on I87, I95 on the U.S. side
> approach to the border, though, wouldn't it? :-)
>

Wouldn't it just?


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  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Re: Dial up connection?
Keywords: INTERNET access
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:24:13 GMT
Distribution: mtl
Organization: Chiral Symmetry Breaking, Inc.

In article <1992Dec12.182142.15436@cc.umontreal.ca> parej@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Pare Jerome) writes:
>Salut a tous!

[ ... ]

>I have two questions for you:
>
>Is it possible to get a dial up connection for INTERNET and News
>which would be available (either freely or commercially, the former
>being preferable of course...) in Montreal?

Either free or commercial, in fact.  If you actually require INTERNET 
capabilities (ftp, telnet, etc) then you can buy a shell account on 
altitude.cam.org...

If you just want USENET news and mail, then you can get a free shell account
here on nyongwa.  The number is 284-6693, login as guest to look around and
arrange for a permanent account.  Uucp feeds for news and mail are also 
available.  Note:  I don't carry *all* the newsgroups, but I have a bit of
room to expand my feed.

>Jerome Pare	parej@jsp.umontreal.ca


-- 
Steve Robbins  --  steve@nyongwa.cam.org
They paved paradise -- to put up a parking lot.
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit)
Subject: black squirrels
Organization: MADD - Dyslexics against Mad Mothers
Distribution: mtl
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:18:18 GMT


I just saw a black squirrel today. 
Ya see them all over the place in ottawa, but I never saw one in montreal
before, and I've been here for 5 years now...

just thought you'd all like to know..

-- 
| Alan Ezust    depeche@cs.mcgill.ca   McGill University Computer Science    |
|------------------------Montreal, Quebec, Canada (?)------------------------|
|  I'm not much of a night person. I'm *definitely* not a morning person.    |
|  I'm not really an afternoon person either. Does this mean I'm a nobody?   |
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: black squirrels
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:22:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.182150.19488@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.191330.19403@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
>>alex@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (A. Okapuu-von Veh) writes:
>> How about *red* squirrels?  They're all over Europe, but not
>> here.  Likewise, you'll never see a grey squirrel in Europe. Hmmm....
>
>Not true! England (which *is* part of europe) has mostly grey
>squiirels. When I was a kid (in the 60's) it was very rare to
>see a red squirrel in North Wales....the grey squirrels were
>bigger and more agressive and had driven the red sqirrels from
>their habitat. I suspect the grey squirrels were not indiginous,
>though.
>
I believe that grey and black squirrels in the Montreal area
are just different color variants of the same species.  North
American red squirrels are a different species, and Eurasian red
squirrels yet another species.  I don't know about English/Welsh
grey squirrels.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: prudhom@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Serge Prud'homme)
Subject: ClassicII a Vendre
Summary: Mac ClassicII a vendre
Keywords: Macintosh
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:35:53 GMT


-------- Macintosh Classic II A VENDRE ---------

								Valeur a l'achat

- Classic II:								1400 $
	- 68030 16 MHz
	- Disque dur de 40 Mb 
	- Micro (built-in sound input device)
	- Lecteur de disquettes 1.4 Mb (peut lire disquette MS-DOS)
	- Ecran monochrome 9"  (built-in)

	- 10 Mb de RAM (2 SIMM de 4Mb de plus)				 360 $
	- Coprocesseur mathematique (68882 16 MHz)			 195 $

- Etui pour le transport (carrying case) en styrofoam compresse.	  90 $

- Filtre anti-reflet pour l'ecran.					  65 $	

- ScuzzyView: (ecran non-inclus)					 950 $ 
	Se branche dans le port SCSI
	et permet d'y connecter un ecran Apple ou autosync
	dans les configurations suivante:
	- 2 ou 256 couleurs sur un moniteur 14" (ou 13" Apple)
	- 2 ou 16 couleurs sur un ecran 19"
	- 70% de la vitesse d'affichage d'un Mac II (stock Mac II)
	  grace a un accelerateur QuickDraw a 40 MHz.

- Logiciels:
	- Systeme 7.1  (tout recent)					 100 $	
	- Word 5.0 Anglais						 350 $
									------
							Valeur totale:	3870 $


							------------------------
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							------------------------


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Pour plus ample informations vous pouvez contacter 
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	Tel: (819) 457-4270


Ou moi-meme (intermediaire sans commission):

	prudhom@iro.umontreal.ca    (Montreal)
	Tel: 343-6532  poste: 45064 

 
--
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Universite de Montreal         	     e-mail : prudhom@iro.Umontreal.ca
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Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.general,can.politics
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Quebec/repressed liberties
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:34:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.024139.13369@vlsi.polymtl.ca> neveu@tintin (Jean-Sebastien Neveu) writes:
>
>J'hesite d'autant plus a assouplir nos 56000 lois linguistiques que tous les
>Croteau, Tremblay, Gagnon et cie. ont developpe le reflexe (ou maintenu...) 
>de colonise qui suggere de repondre en anglais aux anglophones meme sur
>le newsgroup de Montreal.

L'idee de repondre en anglais _en_dehors_du_Quebec_ est de permettre
a la grande majorite d'anglophones unilingues de suivre le debat.

Mais, il y a pire, c'est de repondre en anglais par EMAIL a un
francophone qui a deja envoye quelque chose en francais...

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Subject: IDE hard disk for sale / A Vendre
Summary: Disque dur Western Digital WD95044-A 
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: mtl
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:07:59 GMT

DISQUE DUR Western Digital Hard Disk
modele/type: WD95044-A   
Cylindres 728 cylinders
Tetes 4 Heads
Interface/format IDE
27 sectors per Track
0 bad sectors

Make me a reasonable offer.
Faites moi une offre!

David Irwin

irwin@ere.umontreal.ca 
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Subject: Funny movie recommendations?
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:29:37 GMT

On Tuesday I will be returning home for christmas to that
mecca of touristic adventure, Winnipeg. Judging from past
experience my folks will likely be assembled around the
TV many of the evenings watching vids. If anybody has any
really good tips for *funny* movies to rent, I would be
interested, please post. Actually I'm looking for more
obscure, less known titles, since many people have seen
the more popular ones.

An example is a movie I saw about a year ago, the original
"Little Shop of Horrors" in black and white. I was in
serious pain (laughing) watching this movie, highly recommended.

Jeff
--------------------------------------------------------------
|    Jeff Chance                       | That to which you   |
|    Dept. of Chemistry                | give your attention |
|    McGill University, Montreal       | becomes stronger in |
|    MAIL: jeffjc@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca | your life.          |
--------------------------------------------------------------
From: yank@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Flying Yank)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: SASE
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:50:23 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

The SU Post office will NOT accept Canadian stamps on letters originating 
from within teh US (Nor will Canada Post accept US stamps on letters 
originating from within Canada)
Something about they want their money.

Unfortunately, I do not know of anywhere in teh Montreal area when you 
can purchase US Stamps.  Might want tto ask a friend who cross border 
shops to pick you up some the next time they travel south.  Please Note 
Like Canada, teh US has a different rate fro mail going to canada.
Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: who's forcing whom to work?
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:39:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.181931.15934@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE) writes:
>
>I think most people would agree that at least certain people
>should work on Sunday- eg. bus drivers, metro operators, gas stations,
>local small food store. We need to have transportation to get
>places (case in point- even those visiting family), gas is needed
>if we take the car, and people shouldn't have to be inconvenienced
>if they need some food items. The answer to the above argument is
>simply to let those people who really don't care about it, let
>them work Sunday if they choose to. The others work on other
>days of the week. Of course, nobody should be -forced- to work
>on Sunday.
>
This strikes me as very naive.  Both my parents worked in
essential services.  Both had to work Sundays.  Neither liked
it very much, but it was part of the job.  Unless you offer
colossal shift bonuses for working Sundays, I don't think you
can be guaranteed of finding enough volunteers to work Sunday.
Some people _will_ be forced to work on Sunday.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

Newsgroups: mtl.general
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: stupid, stupid #2
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:23:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.203748.9629@cs.mcgill.ca> bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER) writes:
>I hear that the new casino that will open in Montreal will probably have
>French only signs...stupid, stupid, stupid.

J'ai vu plus d'envois sur mtl.general en anglais alors que Montreal est 
une ville francophone majoritairement.

stupide, stupide, stupide...

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
From: v_vinog@pavo.concordia.ca (VINOGRADOV, VLADIMIR)
Newsgroups: mtl.general
Subject: Gun control instead of guts and conscience?
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:27:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Never mind Fabricant... In U of M there were dozens of males and the most
ONE representative of this intellectual chivalrous crowd do is to shoot
himself later. How can the others live now? Isd their miserable life 
worth anythind? How can they date girls?