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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Simon Admits he's a Nazi (no film at 11 due to lack of interest)
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:04:54 GMT
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In article <1992Oct15.234622.14069@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>Actually, Imy planned story is a criticism of liberalism by showing the
>possibility of unchecked liberal policies might make people angry enough
>to vote for a fascist part, not knowing what they really are, but just seeing
>them as an alternative.  In this sense my story is also an illustration of
>one possible way a fascist system might rise to power.  Not a promotion
>of nazism by any means.  And I say again, I am not a fasicst, nazi, or
>racist.  I do not envision suc a system being implemented, as I would
>be among those on a nazi's hit list.  Like I said, I am showing the dangers
>of  extremism breeding extremism.




To suggest that people censor there beliefs to prevent fascism is of
itself fascist.

BTW, Simon, could you define what you think a liberal is?

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

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nadja@weitek.com
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From: kristyp@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kristy Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:59:30 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Oct13.062100.26274@muddcs.claremont.edu> weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
>	It is wrong to kill an *innocent* life. the death penalty applies
>to people who have been proven guilty of heinous crimes. as for war, 
>you would have to look pretty hard to find someone who said war was a
>good thing in and of itself. It is an action to be only when the 
>alternative is less attractive.

I think the same things can be said about abortion.  You'd have to look
pretty hard for someone who thinks abortions should be had for the sake
of having abortion.  Abortion, too, "is an action to be [taken] only when
the alternative is less attractive," i.e., when pregnancy is a less
attractive option.

-Kristy
-- 
   +==========================+============================================+
   |Kristy Patterson          |"Jack's favorite author is the man who wrote|
   |kristyp@mac.dartmouth.edu |'Pull tab to open.'"      -Jewel of the Nile|
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.193938.19368@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes ...
>> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>>>And once it's done, all you'll have to do is get anyone to actually
>>>_read_ it.  I, for one, am not likely to bother.
>>>
>>Oh,well, you'll miss some good literature :)  Int's just science fiction--
>>one of the stories I was inspired by was written by Ray Bradbury.
>
>Ah, so now some "novel" not even written yet, with a trite adolescent
>fantasy for a story line, by some first-time unknown author, is suddenly
>"good literature" to be compared with the works of Ray Bradbury?
>
>Either your ego is too much to be believed, or you're even stupider
>than you sound.  I may have grown up in the suburbs, but even I'm
>not dumb enough to buy into that one.
>
Geez, you people take absurdity at face value.

Simon
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From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Quayle won the debate.
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:38:33 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:41:36 GMT

In article <Bw59wx.BJw@eis.calstate.edu> Kenneth Mitchell,
kmitche@eis.calstate.edu writes:
>Like the man said, you must have watched a different debate. Gore lied
>about his book,

WRONG: Several sources have said that the so-called quote by Quayle is
not in the book. First of all, nowhere does Gore state that the United
States
should foot the whole expense as implied by Quayle. Secondly, the 100
Billion
dollar figure quoted by Quayle is the inflation-adjusted cost of the
original
Marshall plan---either a piece of dirty politics or total stupidity on
Quayle's part. Take your pick.


>lied about his Senate voting record,

MISLEADING: The only time he voted for the CBI was when it was part of a
much larger trade bill whose importance overrode Gore's opposition to the
CBI.

>and God only knows
>WHAT else he lied about.

The vast majority of the lies, distortions, and fabrications being stated
by
several sources belong to Quayle.

>Gore was as stiff as a wooden statue; he was
>clearly reciting "canned" speeches. 

The first marginally true statement in this post. Hardly damaging though.

Norman
Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
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From: William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (William A. Hall Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:05:35 GMT
 <1992Oct6.171232.14966@netcom.com> 
 <1992Oct8.075103.1222@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>  
 <1992Oct8.135526.29243@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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In article <1992Oct8.135526.29243@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
psmith@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul Smith) writes:

> In article <1992Oct8.075103.1222@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> >
> >Perhaps I am the challenger here, but there must be others that feel the same
> >way I do.   I cannot accept that I am the only person who belives that the
> >unborn have a right to live.
> 
> You're not the only one - I agree with you... *they* just try and make you 
> feel that way - which is pretty easy to do here on Usenet and in liberal-
> media-land.  Don't get discouraged.
> -Paul

RIGHT ON!

---------------------------------------------
William Hall, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH.

"Abortion is advocated only by persons that have themselves been born."
-- Ronald Reagan
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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Simon Booth comes out pro-choice
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:11:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Oct8.191657.21759@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = (Ted "Blinders" Krueger) writes:
>>> = (Michael Polen) writes:
>>>> = (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>>>> II think you understand at least part of what I've been trying to say.
>>>> Perhaps there are valid reason for abortion, although I'm against it.
>>>> But those reasons must be important, and other options should be examined
>>>> as well.
>
>>>That is all pro-choice advocates are saying.  Thank you for joining.
>
>>This is such crap.  Perhaps you feel this way, but the leaders of 
>>NOW and NARAL certainly do not.  Please watch next time any state 
>>tries to enact things like parental notification or waiting periods 
>>which just might have the chance of reducing the numbers of abortions.
>
>Parental notification, to anyone thinking through the possibilities, is
>so useless that anyone more aware than Krueger (e.g., an opossum) can
>figure out the cruel scenarios that would result.
>
>Just to help Teddy Bear along, I'll give him one leetle example:
>
>  A pregnant girl required to "notify" abusive parents that her father
>  has impregnated her. 

Oh!  Now I get it!  If Junior's (or Juniorette's) daddy will beat them 
up if the authorities tell daddy that they ran a stop sign, then we 
cannot make a law mandating that daddy be told that they ran the sign?

Yeah!  That's it!  We make laws based on whether or not Junior's daddy 
will beat him up.  Why should we let the fact that beating up Junior 
is itself against the law stand in the way of protecting Junior with 
any infinite number of legal protections, regardless of what else 
those legal protections do.

Matter of fact, we all know that Junior's daddy will beat him senseless 
if he finds out that Junior robbed the liquor store (since we all agree 
that the law banning daddy from beating Junior is no deterent), so why 
don't we make it illegal for anyone to tell daddy that Junior is a thief?

Gee Whiz!  Why don't we just make all communication between daddy and 
Junior (or Juniorette) subject to judicial screening.  We all know that 
all of a child's problems are causes by those stupid parents anyway.

p.s.  Steve, whenever you post and resort to name-calling (opossum), 
      you reinforce my belief that liberals don't know how to debate.

Ted

-- 
"How dare you call us [people] `you people'!"
	-Benjamin Hooks

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The origin of individual human beings
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:13:10 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
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In talk.abortion, krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

>Bad argument again (like many from your side), since many children and
>teens likewise will not develop into adults.

Teddy, many more children will develop into adults than will zygotes
develop into fetuses. One third of all conceptions fail to implant.
Another third of all *conceptions* end in a miscarriage. I'm willing
to bet that less than a third of all *conceptions* making it through
the birthing process will die before adulthood. See the difference?

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
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From: chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:06:42 GMT

In <1992Oct12.040509.9447@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.010544.21220@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>><1992Oct10.051024.29239@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>>As the people depicted in my planned novel will be.   In my version of the
>>>future, there's a scene where there are pro-choicers at an abortion clinic,
>>>and the pro-lifers show u, and proceed to use truncheons.  The police
>>>then show, and instead of arresting the pro-lifers, they join in with them
>>>against the pro-choice people.  But then the PC crowd would have a fit....
>>
>>[Gordon's comments deleted...]
>>
>Well, I plan to depict the riot police being fully armed, and using
>white posphorus instead of tear gas.  Now, since in my story assulting
>police officers, especially pulling guns on them, would be a capital offense,
>those who escaped would either face on the spot execution,or the death penalty
>after trial.  f course, this would all be televised, to make examples of the
>criminals.   Now, let's see the book buring the PC crowd would stage.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm as PC as they come, and I
wouldn't DREAM of burning your book. From what I've seen so far, I
think I'd run out and buy a copy the minute it hit the shelves, and
I'd try to get all my friends to do the same. I would want it to
get the widest exposure possible.

I'm already hungry for more! Do you think that maybe you could give
us a plot summary? I'm especially interesting in finding out whether
the police had standing orders to attack pro-choice demonstrators,
or whether they decided to do it on their own.

Your other articles lead me to belive that you're pro-life. Am I
right in assuming that your novel describes the steps that you
think we should take in order to make the world a better place
to live? Just curious.

>Simon
-- 

===========================================================
Charles Don Hall, Licensed Philosopher  (chall@eco.twg.com)
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From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:06:55 GMT
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <usglkrx.718551616@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> usglkrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Lori K. Rothman) writes:
#In <BvrJI4.Is1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn Green) writes:
#
##There.  I have spoken.  This issue will never be resolved by consensus.  If
##people want to resolve it by majority-rule vote, that's fine.  I believe
##most of America is pro-choice.  My only regret is that as a male, I will
##most likely never have the opportunity to squash an Operation Rescue person
##trying to block my entry to an abortion clinic. 
#
#Sure you can.  Volunteer to be an escort.  As long as there are
#OR folks around blocking clinics, escorts will be needed.

I don't know of any group of clinic escorts who "squash"
O.R. members.  Every group that I am familiar with is
committed to non-violence at the clinics.  In fact, it's
not unusual for escorts to block blows (from patients,
or people accompanying patients) intended for pro-forcers.

If you want to beat up a fetus fascist, that's your business.
Please don't volunteer to be an escort.  Escorts are merely
there to provide assistance to women entering the clinics,
not to fight any battles.

Susan
From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Columbus Day, 1992
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:17:49 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department


   Happy Columbus Day!  God bless America!


John R.
From: KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu (Kurt Ludwick)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: "Proof" of liberal media bias
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:20:01 GMT
 <6542@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>


In article <6542@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>, jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John
Locke) says:

>Question for the conservorrhoids: Why has Clarence Thomas hidden from the
>public since his confirmation? Could it be that he finds it painful to

He's been busy.

>keep telling the same lie? Could it be for the same reason he could not
>bring himself to call Hill a liar, even though he was prompted in that
>direction by the Senators many times?

He doesn't like to say bad things about other people.  It was pretty obvious
he was calling her a liar, making him say it would have been redundant.
Just remember: _at the time that people were watching the hearings_ (I almost
said 'trial,' since that's practically what it was), most people believed
Thomas.  In the past year, he's had better things to do than tour the country
to drum up support for himself, unlike a certain Oklahoma professor who shall
remain nameless.

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
From: jdough@unf6.unf.edu (Joseph Dougherty)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: RUSH: OUT OF A JOB?
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:52:54 GMT
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

In article <2566.339.uupcb@eabbs.uucp> neil.black@eabbs.uucp (Neil Black) writes:
>What will happen in four weeks when Clinton is elected?  Will Rush admit
>that he's wrong and that Reagonomics were wrong?  Boy, wouldn't it be
>great to see Rush go away and someone intelligent like Ray Taliaferro
>take his place?  I'd like that....
>        

	You're kidding, right? First off, Clinto doesn't have a prayer  of
getting elected, despite what you read in the papers or hear in the polls.
	However, barring some real tragedy, suppose that cretin did win. 
Well, I think he's going to hear four years of pure hell from Limbaugh. 
Like it or not, Mr. Limbaugh's show, his TV program, and his book are here
to stay. Don't underestimate his intelligence one bit...the man isn't 
having the kind of success he is by being stupid. And have you bothered
to read his book. Though it's not full of any real surprises, it's well-
written, concise, and at the least, interesting. In fact, there's a 
passage about his dealings with the Pediatric AIDS Foundation that really
surprised me. When I think of the stupidity of the people involved in 
that situation, I realize how intelligent the guy really is.
	And who is Ray Taliaferro...? This is a world-wide net, you know?
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From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Followup-To: talk.abortion 
Summary: Do we REALLY need all these newsgroups? 
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[Note: Followups to talk.abortion]

In article <1992Oct6.165152.18989@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>
>This is patently false.  87% of americans have comprehensive health 
>care plans.  In addition, there are infertile couples waiting in line 

Please post your sources for this statistic.  I have a hard time
believing it for some reason....

>to pay for the expenses of pregnant women who will then let those 
>infertile couples adopt her baby.

And what if the pregnant woman doesn't want to somebody else to adopt
*HER* child?

Let those infertile couples wait until hell freezes over.  They can
fly to argentina and adopt a child off the streets there.

(Many thanks for whoever came up with the above line!)
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Reasonable men may differ: Capital Gains Tax
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:10:03 GMT

Some Capital Gains statistics (source: Internal Revenue Service)
112.3 million individuals or families filed income taxes in 1989.


1% of income tax filers accounted for 72% of elig. 1989 capital gains income
(1.3 million individuals or families)

6% of income tax filers accounted for 28% of elig. 1989 capital gains income
(7.2 million individuals or families)

The remaining 93% of 1989 income tax filers (103.8 million individuals or 
families) received NO capital gains income.

The money saved by the capital gains cut for the wealthy would not just 
magically appear.  It would have to be made up for by using other tax money.
In effect, the poorer 93% of the taxpaying population would be picking up
some of the tax burden of the richer 7%.



Other stuff not related to capitol gains:
If you paid $1 or more in federal income tax in 1990, you paid more than 

RJR Nabisco
Time/Warner
Supermarkets General Holding Corporation *
United States Gypsum Company
Burlington Holdings, Inc.

paid combined.

*SGH corporation actually paid $13 million but recieved a refund of $36 million

These companies aren't all that uncommon.  The federal govt. loses an estimated
$100 billion a year in federal income taxes to companies such as these that
declare an extended Net Operating Loss deduction.  They aren't that bad off,
however, as the last three companies alone reported operating income in 
excess of $102 billion.


Anyone foolish enough to believe Bush when he says 'Things aren't all that
bad in the economy' need to do their homework.  A book I recommend is
"America:What Went Wrong?" by Donald Barlett and James Steele of the
Philadelphia Enquirer.  [source of the above. reprinted w/o permission]

-Howard
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From: jane@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de (wayne tvedt)
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:52:34 GMT
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James Douglas Del-Vecchio (n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu) wrote:
>rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero) writes:
>>It *is* rather curious that Clinton would "tour" the Soviet Union AND
>>Czechoslovakia so soon after the '68 repression.
>>Clinton impresses me more and more as a man of principle.   NOT!
>
>	The issue as I understand it, is not merely that he went to
>the Soviet Union so soon afterwards, but that he denied going there
>when asked about it on television.

  The issue as I understand it, is that the GOP Oppositional Research machine 
is starting to sputter and spew itself to death like a faulty robot on the
old Star Trek when confronted with its own illogical behavior.  It's as if
it's not even important anymore that its allegations be credible, internally
logical, amusing or even relevant to the current decade's paranoia.  If it
keeps this up much longer it might explode.  

  Aside from what the Republicans say, if Bill Clinton said he went to
Czechoslovakia in the wake of the Prague Spring, but that he did not inhale,
I would believe him.  Even the post-'89 air is enough to give you a sore
throat after a couple of days.  I went there recently and I inhaled, but now
I wish I hadn't.  Youthful indescretion, I suppose. 

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From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Simon Booth comes out pro-choice
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:59:08 GMT
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom San Jose

note followup

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes ...
>  Please watch next time any state 
>tries to enact things like parental notification or waiting periods 
>which just might have the chance of reducing the numbers of abortions.

And watch next time any school district tries to implement
contraceptive availability or comprehensive sex-ed which just might
have the chance of reducing the number of abortions.

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Freidrich Nietszsche
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