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From: anash@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Dana Uehara c/o Andrew Nash)
Subject: Re: best current toons
Organization: Toonaholics Anonymous, WDTA-Holics Anonymous
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:32:21 GMT

In article <92249.132408DCA105@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCA105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>[stuff deleted...] 
>cartoons.  In my opinion, the best animation to come out in America in the last
>few years is the stuff by Disney.  Both in terms of PLOT (much more important
>than the laugh factor) and animation quality.  'Ducktales' is a very well-
>written program (until the intro (and subsequent monopolization) of Gizmoduck)
>I also think that 'Talespin' is one of the best cartoons on, and I was VERY
>disappointed when the 'Gummi Bears' was cancelled.  That was my favorite show
>while it was on.  

SECONDED!!!
Walt Disney Television Animation (WDTA) shows have been very good, if not
excellent in terms of animation quality (IMHO, of course), although the quality
varies from show to show and from episode to episode.

Cartoons needn't be funny to be good.  They simply have to be *entertaining* --
i.e. they shouldn't make you want to change the channel.  Most of the current
Disney cartoons have been more than entertaining for me, although like I said,
the quality varies from episode to episode.

Among the shows that are (or used to be) my favorites:  Gummi Bears, 
Tale Spin, Darkwing Duck and Chip 'n Dale's Rescue Rangers.

I tend to like more adventure-oriented than comedy or satire-oriented ones,
which probably explains why I'm not *that* fond of either Tiny Toon Adventures
or Ren and Stimpy.  The exception to this:  the upcoming "Goof Troop" series.  
From what I've heard plus what I've seen, the series actually looks pretty 
interesting.


>piece of merchandising garbage TMNT (BTW, I loved TMNT when it first came out--
>the original 5-episode story--but since they started marketing everything from
>TMNT toys to TMNT toothpaste to TMNT cereal, I despise it.)

I was also a TMNT fan when I first started watching the cartoon series.
However, the merchandisers have, IMHO, completely overkilled the characters by
flooding the market with TMNT this, TMNT that...  virtually everything except
TMNT soup, which, at the rate things are going, will probably hit the store
shelves very soon.

Now every time I see a TMNT commercial it takes a LOT of effort to avoid 
barfing.  It's a lot easier to simply change the channel.


No comment on Batman since I missed the premiere episode.


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From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman cartoon: origin story?
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:00:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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I have only seen the Manbat episode of the new Bat-toon (missed
the catwoman one, and our station pre-empted Mondays for a telathon -girrr)
and I was wondering if Batman's origin has yet been shown.  You know,
watching his parents get shot, proclaming that criminals are a superstitious
and cowardly lot, etc...  They could just assume the viewers know all that
stuff, but i would like to see an episode devoted to it.  Anyone know
if one is coming up?

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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Some comments on BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:45:17 GMT

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>		   (again, in LEATHER WINGS), is thrown against the side of
>		   a building, he's shown bruised and bleeding.  This is
>		   a definite improvement, and the one I hope stays the most.

Even better - after he's gotten nicely beaten up and they show him
later in the Batcave - he still has the scratches and bruises on his
face!  In direct contradiction to the standard cartoon law that any
minor injury may last no longer than the current scene, if that long.  

-- 
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BTAS: 9/11  JOKER'S FAVOR      9/12 THE CAT AND THE CLAW, Pt. II
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:48:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <12SEP199217562932@zeus.tamu.edu>, ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity) writes:
> In article <lsmith.716328338@myria>, lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
> >In <1992Sep11.222850.7510@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
> > 
> >>Ah.  Quality, as usual.  The Joker was good and menacing.  I was not
> >>disappointed.  The stupified tone of "I cussed out the Joker" was darn
> >>near perfect.
> 
> Mark Hammil's portrayal of the Joker was outstanding, but IMHO, it was the
> only good thing about the episode.  The music played over the title, the
> animation...  all were not up to the same level as the rest of the series
> so far.

 9/11     JOKER'S FAVOR                     Dong Yang     The Joker

I liked it.  Paul Dini (who also wrote "Heart of Ice") is becoming my
favorite writer for this series.  He knows his medium, and he knows his
Batman.  The statement about Joker's "dream" was right on, even if it did
seem strange coming out of Charlie's mouth.

This episode was what is known in comics as a "breather", a comic episode
to lighten up an otherwise dark series.  The humor was suitably black,
(especially the way Charlie's silly musical "theme" becomes dark when
the Joker calls in to collect his "favor").

The animation was mediocre, but with some nice touches.  Like the way
the background blurs when Batman runs to get the Comissioner's "medal".
Or all the little touches like the couple arguing in one of the cars in
the highway (was that supposed to be Denny Colt, a.k.a. The Spirit?);
the thug reading a TINY TOON ADVENTURES, or Charlie's license with
an address of "Gotham Estates, NY".

Mark Hamill as the Joker was simply wonderful, but you know that already.
Oh, and Ed Begley Jr. played Charles M. Collins.

 9/12     THE CAT AND THE CLAW, pt. II      AKOM          Catwoman/Red Claw

Feh.  Cliche after cliche after cliche, and bad animation to top it off.
I didn't care for it.

"Wear it in good health!  Or remaining 59 seconds of it..."
			- The Joker
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Subject: Re: best current toons
From: jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle )
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:55:00 PDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: California State University, Bakersfield

In article <92249.132408DCA105@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCA105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Derrick Rowlandson (derrick@cs.athabascau.ca) writes:
>
>[wants opinions on best animation]
>
>> I mean best in terms of:
>> 1. Funniness
>> 2. Animation Quality

>Is it somewhere carved in stone that an animated program has to be funny to be
>good?  I have seen a lot of good animation that is not funny.  Since I am now
No, but I think it's probably written somewhere that it must have "adventure"
in it.

>in college (3rd year) and still watch a lot of animated programming, I do not
6th year.  Ditto.	      "      "         "     "    cartoons.

>PS. Ren'n'Stimpy is an EXCELLENT show because it goes against the STANDARD US
>cartoon shows and is at times innovative, even when they're rehashing old 50's
							     ^^^^^^^^^
Uck!  Makes me kinda glad I've never seen R&S.  I get enough rehash in class!

>Dave

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From: rlr@bbt.com (Powdered Toast Man)
Subject: Re: New animation encyclopedia
Organization: BroadBand Technologies, Inc.,  Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:07:51 GMT

In article <92243.221355JSMITH@NDSUVM1.BITNET> JSMITH@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
> Is there anyone out there who
> remembers the old cartoon Osmonds tv show that was on in the early seventies?

  Oh yes, "one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch, girl" and all.

  These were incredibly cheesy, but I wouldn't mind seeing a few for
nostalgia's sake.

  Now for the real zinger:  does anyone remember the old cartoon Jackson 5
show that was a counterpart to the Osmonds show?  "ABC, easy as 123," etc.

  Ron "And Then There Was Fireball X-51, Or Whatever" Rader


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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: Little Nemo 
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:47:42 GMT

To all who sent replies about Nemo, thanks. Enrique, yes you are quite
correct, I do like some of what I call "Japanimation." I have seen quite a 
lot of it that is really interresting. I recall one about some sorcerer that
was turing people into gingerbread like rock men and making a bit tower out
of them. That was very scary. What was it called?

Unfortunately, I've also noticed that there are some to whom if I so much
as mention any criticism of any Amine at all, they scream. To some all of
it is anointed by the hand of God almighty. 
I have had problems with some of the racist overtones of much Anime I have
seen, the silly plots, pointless violence, and the fact that it often looks
as though the same guy does ALL of it. This is not to defend ALL American
animation either. Did you see "Small One" from Disney? Peeeeuwei! Ugh!

One thing I wonder is, has anybody seen any animation from Ugoslavia, or
other Balkan countries? Or Allegro Non Troppo from Italy? Or French animation?
Some of it is really hilarious! 
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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.tv.tiny-toon
Subject: Re: best current toons
Date: 5 Sep 1992 15:40:25 -0700
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
Distribution: rec
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In article <2387@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> derrick@cs.athabascau.ca (Derrick Rowlandson) writes:
>I am new to this group, and wanted to find out what people think are the
>best cartoons that are being produced today, and who is producing them.
>
>I mean best in terms of:
>1. Funniness
>2. Animation quality
>
>From what I have seen (not that much), Tiny Toons ranks high in both
>categories.

  Well, *I'LL* gladly concur with that conclusion.  B-)  In my incredibly
biased opinion, TINY TOON ADVENTURES is simply the freshest breath of fun air
to blow through animated television today. A great "anything to get a good
laugh" mentality, coupled with good animation most of the time (especially
when Tokyo Movie Shinsa is the studio doing the animating).

  Just as a related sidebar, I finally saw the new BATMAN animated cartoon
today. Great sorytelling and writing; it looks like a winner. But I won't be
saving any of the episodes -- I just don't get a sense to see the stories
again and again. On the other hand, terrific episodes of TTA like ACME CABLE
TV have a lot of replay value in my book...

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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From: ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Friday's "Batman"
Date: 12 Sep 1992 22:56:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <lsmith.716328338@myria>, lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
>In <1992Sep11.222850.7510@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
> 
>>Ah.  Quality, as usual.  The Joker was good and menacing.  I was not
>>disappointed.  The stupified tone of "I cussed out the Joker" was darn
>>near perfect.

Mark Hammil's portrayal of the Joker was outstanding, but IMHO, it was the only
good thing about the episode.  The music played over the title, the animation...
all were not up to the same level as the rest of the series so far.  Was I the 
only one that was shocked to see Bruce Wayne appear to grow about twenty feet
when he finished talking to Jim Gordon?  

>Of course, just about anything the Joker said was noteworthy. 

One of the things I found interesting about the Joker is that he almost murders
a room full of people...I realized that he wouldn't be able to, because of 
the censors, but after watching my recording of BTAS, I turned the channel to
find Bullwinkle and Rocky.  In that episode, five people died.  (It had 
something to do with a man-eating plant:  "Hey Rocky, where did the Judge go?"
"I don't know, Bullwinkle, but he was just standing next to this plant."  
The plant grins.)

-thomas				ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu

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up your life.  You can use the excitement."
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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: Conan animated show
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:52:43 GMT

  Just thought I'd let people know... I checked out the latest TV Guide, and the
premiere of the new Conan cartoon in this area will be on channel 56 (Boston)
at 7:30 AM Sunday morning. Hmmm... wonder what this one will be like compared
to Batman. 

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From: calvert@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Bob Calvert)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:02:16 GMT
Subject: Re: How does one become a Voice Actor?
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
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If someone responds via e-mail, please post. I am also interested.

Bob Calvert
HP Technology Solutions Lab
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From: arielle@nuchat.sccsi.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Favorite episodes
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.133026.22126@ulowell.ulowell.edu> bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
>Keywords: 
>In every cartoon, there are episodes that stand out from the rest.  

Keep in mind that the episodes that are my favorites might not necessarily
be the same ones as I think are the best or funniest or whatever.

>Tale Spin : The Incredible Shrinking Molly

Jolly Molly Christmas is the best Tale Spin.

>Rescue Rangers : Risky Bees-ness

Case of the Cola Cult.

>Darkwing Duck :The one where all five good guys take on all the bad guys.
>	( the 'Put out the Bushroot!!' episode)

A Brush With Oblivion.  Dead Duck is a close second.
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: batman
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:52:38 GMT


tcw>  Hopefully they'll use other villains aside from The Joker,
tcw> The Penguin, and Catwoman who were in the two movies (how about
tcw> the Riddler?).

Well they just had the Man-Bat episode, and the previews for tomorrow
showed Doctor Freeze. Also Havey Dent made a small apprerance in the
Man-Bat episode, flipping a coin. Looks like Two-Face will be around
soon too.

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From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Couple of comments about Batman TAS
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:08:16 GMT

     Well, I will now add my opinions to that of the teeming millions on
this subject.  My networks did not show the Sat/Sun episodes and I missed
the Labor Day one, so my comments are from what I have seen on 
"Feats of Clay" and today's gangster episode.

I have been a Batman fan and cartoon fan since I was....oh we'll round off
and say three.  I like this show.  It is true to the spirit of Batman
In some ways I like it better than the movie  IMHO.  The intimidation
BAtman used in "Feats of Clay" part 2 with the Crimson Plague/Seawater
was very ver cool and well thought out.  Like the comics BAtman.
BAtman is not just violence, there is a cool-headeness on how he tries to
avoid violence by using his wits.  I am glad they are bringing this out in
the series

Later

Steve

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: How about a Batman Animated Series guest voice list?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 04:31:04 GMT


How about someone with a VCR with good slow motion and time on his or
her hands compile a list of all the voice actors in the Batman cartoon?
It could be a FAQ-style posting...

--Chris Meadows
From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman: Brock Peters
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:19:26 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

I noticed in today's episode that Lucius Fox was voiced by Brock Peters. 
The name is very familier but I can't place it. Anyone?
(BTW, interesting supporting cast: Ed Asner, Ed Begly Jr., Scott 
Valintine)

Dascoser
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Friday's "Batman"
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:58:42 GMT

In article <rdippold.716353923@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> 
> The museum built a complete replica of the temple - including darts
> with poison on them (which Batman can somehow dodge in the dozens), a
> floor trap with deadly spikes beneath it, and flame throwers?

The weirdest thing is... it wasn't a museum!  Now, can somebody explain to
me what the "Peregrinator's Club" is supposed to be?

> Pudgy barely stopped before smashing into the joker.

Of course he did!  Do you think that he can afford a new car,
with what the kid needing braces and the boss not giving him
a raise, etc., etc., etc.?  :-)

BTW, did anyone notice the name of the Joker's assistant?  "Harley Quinn".
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From: adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas)
Subject: Re: Blitz Wolf censored
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:05:55 GMT

There are many cartoons from the period that are sold with the garbagey
black bar across some part of the closing or opening titles. Usually this is
due to an attampt by the purchasing studio to eliminate the name of the 
originating studio, or by the recent purchaser to obliterate the copyright
message to substitute a new one (or just erase it when the 'toon has dropped
to PD status).

MGM cartoons have gone through several owners of record since their 
production. I've even seen the bar on broadcast TV.

It's not really censorship of your tape, they just couldn't find a better
print.

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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.tv.tiny-toon
Subject: TTA Guide (was Re: BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES Episode guide?)
Date: 8 Sep 1992 19:01:19 -0700
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In article <1992Sep8.175305.11303@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>I know someone here in
>r.a.animation got a TINY TOONS episode guide from Warner.  Could someone
>do the same for BATMAN: TAS, or tell me how to do it?

  Just for the record, neither the TINY TOON ADVENTURES Episode Guide (by
Chris Adamson) nor the TINY TOON ADVENTURES Reference Guide (by Synth
Oberheim) are "from Warner [Animation]".

  All TINY TOON references and indicies on USENET are culled by private
efforts, through the dedicated effort of devoted fans of TTA everywhere. It's
gotten easier nowadays with the TTAUEC getting official names and episode
numbers from Warners (we pick up the telephone, dial Warner Animation, and ask
'em. No magic), but technically speaking, all of our efforts are our own.
Warner Animation has never seen any of these guide, to the best of my
knowledge (and would probably be a bit surprised if they did).

  How do you put such a guide together? Watch the episodes, log the names,
note the credits. If you can get your hands on a satellite dish and find out
when episodes are uplinked to the Fox syndicates, you can also get the
official Warner "House Numbers" for the episodes. But most of the work is
self-propelled, sorry.

  Oh, one other way to find out what episodes will be aired is to call your
local Fox affiliate and ask the Programming Department manager. Problem is
that (a) they're very busy and not very friendly towards "non-business" phone
calls, and (b) you may only get one week's worth of shows at once, or have to
call at 4:45pm on Friday afternoons, or don't know where they've stashed the
cartoon schedules, or...

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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