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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: IRON CURTAIN
Organization: Clark University
Date: 27 SEP 92 01:45:47 GMT


In a previous article, pearson2884@iscsvax.uni.edu wrote:
>Who can give one interesting fact about the Steelers the first 3 weeks, besides
>the fact that they are 3-0 and have 12 interceptions?

For starters, they were one of the few teams that had a legitimate quarterback
competition in the preseason, and it's been interesting to see how O'Donnell
has handled it. 

My interest in them, besides the fact that I'm a big fan, also has to do with
the even distribution of talent on the team as a whole. Woodson is probably the
only well-known player on the team, and I find it more exciting when more
different players can contribute to a victory, as opposed to a team that has
two or three major weapons who come up with the big plays more often than not.

In addition, they started their season with one of the biggest upsets we'll 
likely see this year, all the more intriguing with a new coach and staff.

But OF COURSE this wouldn't seem interesting because the Steelers get NO
RESPECT from the national media because they're not in a BIG MARKET and the
papers and tv programs gure they'll get MORE VIEWERS by giving more attention
to teams in BIGGER MARKETS, even when they're having BAD SEASONS!

-				|   "Don't torture yourself, Gomez.
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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:47:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BvF8E8.9LK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.191643.12032@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) writes...
>> 
>>THE EAGLES ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL BY FAR AND WILL GO 16-0 AND WIN THE
>>SUPERBOWL 

                     I wonder if this person is willing to take a few bets
on this? If so, I know a few people who will take this action not only on
the Eagles but ANY of the undefeated teams so far this year. Well after this
weekend there will be only two undefeated teams (barring ties) and we all
know that the dolphins will be one of them. Hey Mr. Eagles fan how many 
play off games has Randel been in and how many has he won? For that matter
I believe I've seen a statistic that goes something like this:

                  Randel has played in 3 play off games, lost all 3
                  and has only quarterbacked one scoring drive (TD)
                  out of 12 possetions in the post season. (This is
                  what I remember, it might not be exact but I do know
                  of all his play off drives he has only scored once

              Therefore I think Randel has alot to prove before he can get
the job done when crunch time comes. Yes I agree he is a great quarterback
but the fact remains that he has absolutly crumbled when the chips are down.
(One year he was so bad in the play offs the coach, B. Ryan, actually benched
him for a while and I believe this was the last time he was in the play offs)
                                
                              -doug THE dolfan-
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: nayar@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Naresh Nayar)
Subject: Re: Niners Beat Aints, Refs
 
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:01:48 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <BvCqq9.47I@news.orst.edu>, curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:

|>  I won't argue that the Rice Fumble was a bad call.  It should have been ruled
|>  down by contact with the spot of the ball on the 1/2 yard line, since that
|>  is where the ball was when his knees were down.  But other than that one
|>  call the Refs did all right.

Watters clearly did not fumble. I thought the fumble call on the Saints
on their first drive was bogus too.
 
|>  If I was a 49'er fan (and that's a big IF) I would be more concerned about
|>  the offensive line play than the Refs.  The Saints were putting a lot of
|>  presure on Young from the outside (OLB's rushing to be more specific) a
|>  less mobile QB than Young, like Montana for example, would have been sacked
|>  quite a few times.  

The offensive line play has been *outstanding*. They OL has given up only
a couple of sacks and has created holes for the RBs. It is difficult to
find a better pair of tackles than Wallace and Barton.
Montana would not have been sacked "quite a few times" because he
gets rid of the ball much more quickly than Young.

|>  It looks like the Saints might have found a weakness in the San Francisco
|>  offense.  Presure Young hard from the outside, force him to scrabble up
|>  the middle and try to contain him with an inside LB playing the middle
|>  zone.  

You can stop any QB  with this formula. The difficult part is to actually
do it. The 49er offense is hardly the problem, their kicking game, pass rush
and the inexperienced secondary are areas of concern.

-- 
                                                              Naresh  Nayar
				      	
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In article:<BvAwz1.5rx@acsu.buffalo.edu>, SFRELIAS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (a bafoon)writes:

 
>Anybody knows when was the last time Maimi won in Buffalo?

	
	I do. It was Sunday, October 4, 1992. Miami won 37-10. You're
	all done here. Go watch soccer.

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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject:  NFC East QBs (Re: NFC Central QBs)
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:12:04 GMT


 Cumulative through week 4 (minimum 40 attempts):
 Pos Name              Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE   
 --- ----------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- -----    1 R. Cunningham       72    53   73.6    702   9.75    8 11.1    0  0.0 141.1     2 Jim Kelly           99    67   67.7   1028  10.38   10 10.1    2  2.0 127.0
  3 Steve Young         92    62   67.4    826   8.98    6  6.5    1  1.1 112.9
  4 Troy Aikman         87    54   62.1    717   8.24    6  6.9    2  2.3 101.6
  5 Chris Chandler      81    51   63.0    625   7.72    3  3.7    0  0.0  99.0
  6 Brett Favre         72    44   61.1    572   7.94    4  5.6    1  1.4  98.8
  7 Rodney Peete        98    62   63.3    882   9.00    5  5.1    3  3.1  96.6
  8 V. Testaverde       88    56   63.6    803   9.12    4  4.5    3  3.4  94.1
  9 Chris Miller       137    83   60.6    993   7.25    8  5.8    3  2.2  93.1
 10 Jim Harbaugh       127    79   62.2    950   7.48    6  4.7    3  2.4  91.0
 14 Rich Gannon        118    69   58.5    831   7.04    8  6.8    5  4.2  85.1
 18 Don Majkowski       55    38   69.1    271   4.93    2  3.6    2  3.6  77.2


>Four games into the season is about as early as I believe trends are worth
>talking about.  The "smash mouth"/"three yards and a cloud of dust" NFC
>Central has 40% of the top 10 qbs.  Kind of amazing.  And the worst rated
>passer is the guy with the biggest reputation comming into the season. 
>
>Amazing.  
>
>Bill
>--
>------------------------------->
>	Bill Mangione-Smith 
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu



Try 60%.  The NFC East has 60% (3 out of 5) of the top 5 QBs in the NFL.
Now that's INYOURFACE (sic ESPN) football!  :)  No wonder its the toughest division in the NFL!


-- 
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The little nothings * they keep me thinking that someday * | My opinions only
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       - Faith No More, "A Small Victory"                  | Da Boyz are back!!
From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Raiders QBs
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:12:04 GMT
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In article <1992Sep30.002046.19584@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> ded@aplcen (nod sivad) writes:
>While watching the Monday night game I could have swore I heard
>a moaning confession issuing from Raider fans everywhere: "We were wrong.  
>We want Shroeder back.  Please give us Shroeder back.  We were wrong."
>
>Did you hear it too? ;-)
>



Close, but actually it was "We want Beuerlein back."







Ray      GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!
From: rebiejo@skijet.Corp.Sun.COM (Robert Rebiejo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Quaterbacks:Steve Young the best in th
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:50:39 GMT
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>>the consistency or durability of Cunningham


Didn't he miss part of last year (like the whole season)
=%^)


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Harbaugh Gets Ass Chewing
Organization: University of Michigan
	<ld3jv2INN959@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:00:38 GMT

In article <ld3jv2INN959@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) writes:

   In article <1992Oct5.200451.23916@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
   >  Just one:  Why bother creating audibles if you're gonna jump the QB when
   >he calls one?  Yeah, the pass was INT, but that can happen anytime.  Ditka
   >was probably just in a bad mood, but I think it shows a complete lack of
   >sense if he lets it stand (not to mention class).

   I didn't get the game, as CBS decided we should endure the N.O/Detroit
   stupor. However, it seems to me that when you are up by under 3 scores
   with a full quarter to play, you desperately want to take time off the
   clock. Throwing a medium depth pass on a drive that you really don't
   need points out of is a bad option when you are near your own 20 yard

The play that he audibled out of was a fly pattern, not a run.  Ditka was
pissed because he said to *not audible at all* during that game because of
the noise.

   The Bears defense allowed 14 points. This is hardly shameful and it
   amounts to their best performance all year. If the D had given up the
   points in the first half, 7 each quarter or even 14 in one quarter,
   people would be dumping on the offense for not scoring enough and
   for allowing the pick, i.e. agreeing with Ditka.

The defense did give up 14 in one quarter.  And the vikes moved pretty well
on them in the first half, but then shot themselves in the foot.  The Bear defense
didn't look that good on Sunday.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: How to read standings
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:59:03 GMT

In article <0elnP=y00WB98cvFp=@andrew.cmu.edu> "Calvin D. Swartzentruber"
<cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>When the standings for a team are printed up, usually after the
>percentage comes two columns, a PF and a PA.  Could someone please tell
>me what these two abbreviations stand for, and what the numbers below
>them mean?  Thanx.
>
>GO EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Calvin
>
Uh, points for and points against (total for the season)

bp


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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: QB stats: Oilers/Moon
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:14:44 GMT

From article <1992Sep24.125357.12861@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, by august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August):
> asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
> :                                                        
> : 6 touchdowns and 7 INTERCEPTIONS.  Wow! What a quaterback!!!  With such

And do you realize that 5 of them came in the first game of the season -
against the Steelers?  The steelers are the hardest team for Moon to
play.  Look at the past several games between the Oilers and Steelers
and you will notice that Warren Moon's stats look horrible.

Since that game... 2 ints in 2 weeks... not bad at all.

						- Tim

> : a QB at the helm of affairs, how can the oiler fans even think of the
> : Superball.  Their prime concern should be to how to make it to the
    ^^^^^^^^^

This must mean superbowl...  To answer your question, Oiler fans can
think about their team going to the superbowl because of 1) Warren Moon,
2) Solid WR core, 3) They are in division w/Steelers, Browns, and Cinci,
4) An aggressive defense...

They can think about it, but the odds are still against them making it
all the way...  I would be willing to wager that they will be a playoff
team this year.


					- Tim

P.S.  I'm not an Oilers fan.  I just had to respond because you needed
      correcting.

> : playoffs and how to avoid being knocked out early in the playoffs(if
> : they make it).  Should be concerned about their teams butt, instead of
> : thinking about kicking this teams and that teams butt in the
> : championship games.  
> : 
> 
> 
> I haven't noticed that many Oiler fans on the net; and of us who do post
> articles, not much WOOFING is going on.  Houston people are very
> critical of the Oilers probably due to the many heartbreaks.  Although
> many feel we have a chance to go farther in the playoffs, I don't see
> too much excitement in my home town.  
> 
> 
> --
> 
> The rayster             ** Go Oilers
>                         ** Go Braves
>                         ** Bulls in 93
>
From: lmcmasc@noah.ericsson.se (Mauro Schena)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Can Bills go 16-0?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:47:17 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Finally, the question on whether the Bills can go 16-0 will be put to
rest. I hope the dolfans don't continue! 


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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:50:10 GMT
Subject: Re: hayes
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
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 He's going to start Sunday, he seperated a shoulder in the last preseason
 game. Its' great news for the falcons as it will allow Rison to get back
 to wide out.  <look out>
From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES vs BILLS???
Date: 30 Sep 1992 23:07:34 GMT
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In article 6278@tropix.uucp, bng@tropix.uucp (Baldwin Ng) writes:
> Does anybody knows when Philadelphia Eagles will play
> against Buffalo Bills in the coming months?  Did they 
> (Bills) ever play against Eagles this season yet?
> Will there be a home game at Buffalo where Bills will
> play against visiting Eagles?  Please excuse my ignorance
> of NFL,  I have not really got into it until this
> season.
> 



The next time that it will be a possibility for the Eagles and Bills to
play is next season (it's not an absolute either, but it's a good
bet).  There is no way of knowing where the game will be played as this 
point in time.


BTW, there is no need to excuse your "ignorance", all you have to do is
to read r.s.f.p for a week and you'll see what "igrnorance is all about


:^D.


Bob De Guc
Bills fan in *ANY* country!!
From: jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu (Dave Jorgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Seattle Seahawks
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:50:19 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <M1WCC00.92Oct2113545@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>
>Does anyone know when Brian Blades might return to action?  He hurt his shoulder
>but I don't recall if it was a separation or what.
>Thanks.
>Wayne.



	No definite word yet on when he will return. He broke a bone near his
collar. He was supposed to be out for 6 weeks, so he won't return for at least
two weeks, but again their have been no status reports released lately, he's
not close to being ready for play.



Dave Jorgan
jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Sunday Stats: Lions
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:21:36 GMT

William Grant (343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU) wrote:
> Here's the stats for the Detroit Lions in their 27-23 loss to the Tampa Bay
> Bucs.
> 
> Team Stats:
>                       TB                           Det
> Fumbles/lost        1/0                             0/1 (??)
        					      ^^^^^

That would have been the miss exchange between Peete and Sanders, which
'flew' right into TB's Santa Dotson's Hands, who returned it for a
touchdown. Bad exchanges are classified as fumbles no?

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
 
   
   

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Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 15:06:19 -0400 
From: "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MNF Phil 31 Dal 7


We were wondering what the game would have looked like if on Dallas'
second possession the refs had gotten the call *right* and awarded the
Eagles the Dallas fumble on the 15 (instead of giving it back to
Dallas).  Looks like 3 or 7 points for the Eagles, and that was what
kept Dallas' only touchdown drive alive. Would have a much more
impressive rout, but hey, we aren't complaining :-)
		
	joe
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: FINAL - FINAL
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:57:36 GMT


New England  21   New York Jets  30 * FINAL

Miami   37   Buffalo  10  * FINAL
Chicago  20	 Minnesota  21  * FINAL
Green Bay	10	       Atlanta   24  *
New Orleans	 13    Detroit  7    *
LA Rams	24			 San Francisco   27 *
NY Giants	10		LA Raiders 13  * FINAL 
Washington  24     Phoenix   26  * FINAL
Kansas City	19		Denver      20 * FINAL
Seattle		6	   San Diego  17  * FINAL
Indianapolis  24	 Tampa Bay  14  * FINAL
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: SuperBowl Champions Philly Eagles
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:07:37 GMT

In article <Sep.26.00.01.03.1992.15534@remus.rutgers.edu> zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf) writes:
>rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>
>>{ranting about philly deleted}
>
>>yeah, yeah, the bEagles are a great team now, but they are one hard tackle
>>on randall cunnigham away from being just a good team, and probably losing
>>in the first round of the playoffs.
>
>
>  So what's your point?  If you take away the starting QB for any team, they
>become worse.  Otherwise he wouldn't be starting.
>
>
>Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]

Chris, your point is not true, at least as it applies to the
49ers. It certainly didn't affect the Giants a couple of
years ago. Remember Simms going down and the Hoss taking
over. I believe the orig. poster was specificially referring
to Cunningham. If he goes, the Eagles would probably lose
more than say, if Young (Niners) went down and Bono took
over. In general though, you would be correct in your
statement.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
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From: dmr2040@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: PREDICTIONS for Cowboys/Eagles game
Reply-To: dmr2040@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:28:47 GMT

Well, you heard the news and the final score is 
Philly 31   -    Dallas 7
What a game that was, Dallas tried their best, but not good enough
for the Eagles.   I can't wait for the Eagles to go to the SuperBowl

David Roy
From: v069qqqc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike C.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Intentional Grounding
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct4.212051.4889@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes...
>In article <4OCT92.20452420@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>Has this rule been altered lately?
>>
>>I saw it called against Marino and Kelly today, when neither seemed
>>to be under pressure. Both were throwing into the end zone.
> 
>The only good about this is that the refs called it on both
>QBs and the it did not effect the outcome of the game. I
>think the refs are over reacting this year and are either
>too quick to throw the flag or are blind.

They were both good calls, IMO. Marino's ball almost went into the crowd,
which is at least 25 yards off the sideline. Kelly's was thrown
in the endzone in the middle of nowhere (Thomas was at about the 15).

I'd like to see more grounding calls like this... if anything, it
hasn't been called ENOUGH in the past.


Mike
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From: rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick Scott)
Subject: Great Teams (SUPER BOWL BOUND)
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:19:55 GMT

Good Teams Make It To The Super Bowl..(Buffalo,Denver..Etc....)

GREAT TEAMS Win Them (GAINTS, REDSKINS, STEELER, 49ERS..Etc...)

RAS
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