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From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Subject: Re: Wolves! They're back?
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:04:43 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article: <1992Dec21.102613.3466@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

Steve White notes


	People are moving into this area in droves (mostly from CA) 'cuz they
	"like it here. It's so much more pleasant here." And I'm sure that it
	is. But everytime someone else moves here it becomes more like where
	they came from. (I am a hypocrite. I moved here 10 years ago from 

You are absolutely right.  Of course if you were lived in this cesspool of
a state you would want to move, too.  Trust me on this.
The _only_ thing saving the rest of the nation at this point is that there
are still a lot of native Californians (I'm a Georgia boy, so don't tar
me with *that* brush) have never been anywhere and honestly don't
know they are living in a slime pit.  In a smooth move of enlightened
self-interest, I don't tell them anything different...

bws, waiting to make a break for it


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From: jwahl@iastate.edu (H J Wahl)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Raising and Releasing Game Birds... Advice Needed
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:43:33 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec29.093026.1007@doug.cae.wisc.edu> richm@bella.corp.sgi.com (Rich McKay) writes:
>Keywords:Raising and Releasing Game Birds... Advice Needed
>
>My family owns a cattle ranch in South Central Nevada and we are
>interested in raising and releasing game birds in order to establish a
>self sustaining population.  [Lots deleted]
>
>Does anyone know of any organization I could contact to get more
>information?  I would be interested in purchasing chicks or even
>fertilized eggs.  Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
>...Rich

Dear Rich,

There are several organizations that would probably be able to help
you such as Pheasants Forever, National Wild Turkey Federation, Ducks
Unlimited, and I think there is a Quail Forever or something like
that.  I don't have access to addresses or phone numbers at the moment
but if no one else resonds with them I will try to get ahold of some
for you later.

I only wish everyone took such interest in wildlife populations.
However, judging by my own experience with raising and releasing
quail, your time and money may be much better spent in trying to
improve habitat than producing the birds yourself. It seems to me that
if you have had birds there in the past, any more that you would
release would soon succumb to whatever got the original birds.
Especially since pen-raised birds never seem to have the survivability
or vigor that wild birds have.  I know the repopulating of wild turkey
project in Iowa suffered decades of pure failure until they gave up on
pen-raised turkeys. As soon as they started trading for wild trapped
turkeys with other states, the population really boomed until there
was a good population all over the state.  I'm sure that any of the
above mentioned organizations will have many wortwhile suggestions on
habitat improvement. Good luck and keep us posted with progress
reports.


Sincerely,
Jim Wahl
 
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From: ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White)
Subject: Re: field dressing question
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:24:29 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Dec17.092419.24510@doug.cae.wisc.edu> romingk@pell3l0.alleg.edu (Karl Rominger) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.084449.20094@doug.cae.wisc.edu> sab@cblpe.att.com  
>(Shawn A Beachy) writes:
>> I am hoping that someone out there can answer a question that
>> I have concerning field dressing a deer.  The question is -- Is
>> it necessary to remove the tarsal glands from the hind legs of
>> a buck when field dressing it?
>
>Well I don't do this and the meat tastes fine. The real trick is to
>skin the deer and cool it as soon as possible.  We skin all are deer
>the evening we get them, and depending upon the weather, we either
>butcher it immeadiately, or let it hang for a few days.  Hanging any
>deer in its skin, or otherwise not handling the meat properly will
>give it a "gamey flavor".
	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	   I don't agree, but then I live where cooling the meat is usually
	   not a problem. Unless you take something with a bow in Sept., then
	   by all means do something to allow the critter to cool out quick.
	   During rifle season one has more of a problem with the critter
	   cooling too much, too quick. (Frozen animals are harder to butcher.)

	   A butcher told me years ago that there is more wild meat lost due
	   to being too soiled than due to spoilage from excess heat. The hide
	   protects the animal from dirt, flies, birds, etc. But if it is hot
	   out you may want to skin the critter soon to allow maximum cooling.
>
>Karl

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From: cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro)
Subject: Re: Wolves!
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:04:21 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In a recent article ketchum@cs.montana.edu (Steve White) gave a pretty
good summary of the current opinions in the Yellowstone area about
this subjects.  BTW Steve, my intent *was* to open the can of worms.:>
Best way to get spirited discussions . :>

Anyway, I happen to agree with your view, it is a shame we can't have
our wild areas *and* housing developments too. If any real geniuses in
the real estate development business ever figures out how to do this
they will make more money than the gov't can print!

I can appreciate the ranchers view, the article I mentioned answers their
concerns by saying that animals that prey on livestock are rare, and can
either be culled, or relocated. I suspect there is some truth to this
but I have a hard time beleiving its that simple.  Predators have to 
survive, and any time they can get an easy meal, (less energy expended)
they will do that. However, having said that, I also feel we have too
many ranchers grazing, and over grazing on public land.

So, ok ranchers, flame me, but I've seen deer herds "controlled" simply
by an overly generous US Forest Svc. 

Well, I would also like to here from the wildlife biologists who are
no doubt listening in.  PLEASE lets try to keep this within the context
of the group. Any animal rights flames should go to t.p.a. :>

I would also like to know if anyone here would like to see the wolf
population large enough to hunt? Personally, I don't waste ammo on
anything I won't be eating, or using to survive. But I don't condemn
others who hunt non edibles. I beleive it is instinctive for humans to
hunt.

Mark Cavallaro
cavallar@cyber.net


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From: pa142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Primitive FireArms
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:18:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.213001.26781@progress.com> schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:
>T. Archer answered:
>  The same way we address the needs of people who want english country dances, 
>  recurve bows, or color-on-color blazons.  Insult, harass, and ignore them '
>  till they go away.
>
>May all the gods save us from such learned discourse.  Is there no reasoning,
>then?
>

Certainly not here.

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From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Period calendar; Nonfighter kings; Drachenwald ideas
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 02:56:10

 "E> However, the info only applies in Sweden, Findland, and to some extent
 "E> in Norway, Denmark and northern Germany. Further, it is all in Swedish
 Actually, from what I've read, there is *no* universal medieval book-
 of-days.  Every area had its own little subset of saints, some too 
 local to be known elsewhere, etc.  I got that from reading about the 
 Books of Hours, the fancy illuminated books with prayers for every hour,  although that's probably every *canonical* hour, and usually including 
 a list of the local feast days and various saint's days that were 
 observed.  Apparently you get a rough idea of time period and location 
 of the owner based upon the various prayers and the calendar of saint's 
 days....
...
 "E> Tourney mandatory, is a bad idea. Nevertheless, I believe that
 "E> we need some provisions for the conduct of theme events, stating
 "E> clearly that they are allowed -- especially if "standard SCA
 "E> reality" shall be temporarily suspended. Oh, details...
 This really shouldn't be a problem.  One Ansteorran theme event, which 
 has been discontinued because it got to be *too* popular, announced a 
 specific time (1180 <??> Silesia), and gave a specific time frame for 
 the "scope" of the event, 1100-1200.  People were encouraged to send 
 in their reservations early, because the organizers sent out a booklet 
 and a small newsletter which featured some articles about the time 
 period so that the library-challenged or time-constrained could know 
 what was going on and what was expected.  The tourney was a period 
 style for the time (I assume -- the originator Knew His Stuff, IMHO), 
 and was judged in a period style.  It was repeated annually, and has 
 spawned various other "theme" events, which have had varying degrees of 
 success.
     So, the idea is already being used, without having to twist Corpora 
 even slightly.  Go for it now!
         Gwenllian Cwmystwyth, Steppes, Ansteorra

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: damon@brewich.hou.tx.us (Damon)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:06:04 CST
Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

Please excuse my ignorance, but can someone please tell me what SCA is 
and how to make contact? Please email me the info. Thank-you!
     -Damon-

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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Fighting in crown: a thought
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:35:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1h8id1INN70l@agate.berkeley.edu> dgreen@athena (David Greenebaum) writes:

>Caitlin de Courcy poses a problem in which her male-persona counterpart,
>Padraigh, might enter Crown Tourney.  I see three possibilities which
>would allow Caitlin, and not Padraigh, to rule.

[Bjalfi's three, no, four possibilities deleted]

What your suggestions boil down to is more regulations regarding how
the game is played. I don't care if Caitlin wants to pretend to be a
man while she's in armor. I don't care what she calls herself. (I don't
see why she thinks she needs to be a man to be in armor, but that's 
another kettle of worms.) Do you want to see Corpora written like "If
the Crown Tourney entrant is a biological female fighting in a male
persona, then she(he) must fight for a biological male being
fought for in a female persona . During the reign, one of them must
permanently assume female persona, and one of them must assume male
persona...."?

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West
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                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
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From: jerbil@ultra.com (Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Software Release Engr})
Subject: Re: Heraldic questions...
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:55:43 GMT

Unto Boris and the others here gathered
doth Joseph d'Aquitaine send greetings!

	Boris, I take exception with some of your statements.
Those of us who assist the College of Arms (or are members of it) find
heraldry great fun too.  Yes, we profess anachronism, but it's by striving
to introduce the medieval into the modern.  SCA heraldry, to the best of
my knowledge, has as its goal to *enhance* the medieval experience;  thus
was codified the expectation that armory with "strictly out of period" elements
would be rejected if they came up for registration.


	I work on the computerized database, so the CoA can continue to
provide the registration service, without losing more time to researching the
submissions.  We're NOT registering depictions of computers, because those
destroy the medieval atmosphere for which we're striving.

	I find no hypocrisy in using modern methods off-site and behind-the-
scenes to achieve medieval results, Boris.  If I didn't know better, I'd
think you were advocating that we all should use no modern materials, methods,
knowledge, or thought processes in trying to form the medieval atmosphere.
That would make gatherings as tournaments, wars, and the Rialto impossible,
not to mention making research impossible.


>  I have a gorgeous set of arms with an astronauts helmet for a helm and 
>a nova in a starfield, set in a hexagonal shield.  Nothing 'bad' about 
>that. CoA would hate it though.   

	It's perfectly 'good' modern heraldry, but it is 'bad' medieval
heraldry.  (That, and only that, is the reason it is not registerable.)  The
closest equivalent would be a diver's helm, if they had such a thing, or a
roundel (which preserves the general shape).

	Speaking as a researcher who assists a CoA commenter, if that's all
there is to it, the only complain would be the modernity of the astronaut's
helm, and maybe the style of the stars and nova.  Modify it slightly into
something the medieval eye would understand, such as a gold or silver roundel,
and use medieval depictions of stars.

	The CoA doesn't care what shape you actually display it on, though a
hexagon would be rather a strange shape to carry into battle....

		Joseph
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: On the nature of armor....
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:24:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <57683@dime.cs.umass.edu> gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle FitzWilliam) writes:
>I usually deal with light blows this way: If the blow landed
>cleanly (edge-on and unobstructed), but light, I will consider
>that the _first_ time this has happened has scored the armor, the
>_second_ time it has broken the armor (rendering the armor
>useless for protection at that location), and the _third_ time to
>have been good (no armor remaining to protect).  Also, if someone
>can hit me in the same place three times cleanly and
>unobstructed, even if they're only hitting me lightly, than I'm
>doing something wrong, and need to take a break and think about
>my defense.

There is a problem with this approach to gauging (and let me note
now that Lyle's approach to gauging is very similar to my own,
because I have never found a better solution)

The problem is that *very* light blows, the sort that strike your
helmet, can be felt, but do not transmit much force (IE, move the
helm) can be delivered using techniques which could simply *not*
be "pumped up" enough to damage through armour.

An excellent example is a blow delivered with the wrist only,
a sort of saber flick. Because all of the body language the
attacker shows in blow development is absent, the little wrist
flick blow can often be landed with ridiculous ease, yet even
if my opponent has arms like king kong, it will not be hard
enough to pierce armour. Thus if we start taking such blows
as "good", we have gone (even farther) from practicing
medieval combat to practicing "tag" with sticks.

Carolus Malvoix
Montengarde An Tir
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From: Jonathon.Blake@f666.n278.z1.fidonet.org (Jonathon Blake)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Qlippothic Gematria
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:57:34 -0500

 JB> sure: booki 231 & lots of analysis & more playing in the
 JB> shells  than i ought to have done.

 CF> Yo, Jon:

 CF> This is one I haven't run across. Is it one of 
 CF> AC's, or someone else's (like
 CF> Grant?)? Can you give me some idea of what your 
 CF> playing consisted of? It'd
 CF> sure beat the usual "my order can beat up your order" posts.
.
um sorry it to so long to reply << i don't think i replied before
but i switched back to my usual computer haunitng grounds in california.
.
anyway, i meant book 231 by crowley, in playing with gematria from the
qlippoth.
.
what did the playing consist of?  at one time i had all the words in liber al
worked out according to that gematria value, and then correlated them to the std
english/latin/greek/hebrew gematria values.
not recommended for those who wish to retain any degree of sanity that they
might have once had.
.
<< if you want to take this up further with me, spin them into any of the
beastnet or al-net echos. >>

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Subject: water on the brain
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:56:58 -0500

    Aelfgar von Echternach said:
 
>I'm still worried about fighting in it in 100 degree weather
>though . . . maybe I can strap two containers for ice water on my helmet
>with straws to my mouth so I could cool myself when I'm fighting (that's >a
joke, folks ;)
 
    Hmmm. You know, if you had a nice, impressive heraldic-style crest 
on your helm, I bet you could have an ice water container in it. Run a 
straw down thru a hole with a grommet so it doesn't show (rather than 
thru the front grillwork).
 
    It's not the least bit authentic, of course. But there is a great, 
hairy^H^H^H^Hoary precedent for safety and health over authenticity, 
especially in fighting. I know that you could make a good case for it 
being a health issue in much of Ansteorra, Outlands, & Atenveldt.
 
    You could either make the container of lexan or you could just 
take the splash if someone nails you with a good head shot.
 
                  Henry Best 
    (who really shouldn't be designing silly helms)
From: dgreen@athena (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Fighting in crown: a thought
Date: 23 Dec 1992 02:37:50 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena.berkeley.edu

>>>I, myself, aspire to fight in Crown someday and if (on the off-chance) I win,
>>>I have no desire to become king.
>>So why do you aspire to fight in Crown?
>>Aryk
>	The Crowne Lists represents the epitome of fighting skill.  To be 
>recommended to fight at Crown is a high honour, indeed.  It is a goal for which
>to strive.
>-> Shandler

I sense a spate of Interkingdom Anthropology coming on...

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From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Is the Rialto censored?
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:00:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BzzMCI.D4o
Organization: Open Communications Forum

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921222105332.576@saturn.uark.edu> PAULB@saturn.uark.EDU ("Paul A. Byers") writes:
>I sent a post responding to Sir John Theophilous about Calontir
>shields. It also mentioned that I have noticed lots of Racism and
>Sexism in the SCA. (almost exclusivly against White males.) and the
>poist just seems to have vanished. I post a 'hello, anyone hear me.'
>and I get 13 replys in 2 hours. What gives. Is the Rialto gone PC?
>
>Pavel
>Calontir



I saw this original message you refer to, here in An Tir.

I didn't find it worthy of comment.

Moreach NicMaolain
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Fighting in crown: a thought
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:38:45 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec22.033438.24728@news.unomaha.edu> dburgdor@cwis.unomaha.edu (Darryl Burgdorf) writes:

>Lord Aryk Nusbacher, earlier in this discussion, asked, "Why on earth would
>you want to open the possibility of becoming SCA royalty to non-fighting
>couples?"

Um, I think he was kidding. We've beaten this particular horse to death
several times already.

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Fighting for Crown....A Question.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:10:46 -0500

Padraigin nic'Aodha (PAMCCOY@gallua.gallaudet.EDU ("Pat McCoy a.k.a. Bones"))
writeth:

 PnA> If one is physically unable to fight, does that mean
 PnA> that the gentle could never become royalty?

No.  One could be fought for, as consort, by one able to fight.

However, it does mean that a PAIR, of whom BOTH are unable to fight, cannot
become royalty together.  And due to the paucity of female fighters, it makes it
very difficult for a male unable to fight to become royalty.  And . . . .


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From: ae766@yfn.ysu.edu (David Sanders)
Subject: Re: Primitive FireArms
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:16:48 GMT


Magyar bows (probably derived from Turkish and/or Mongol bows) 
are also highly recurved from at least the 9th century.

Vajk
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From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Southern CA Ren Faire dates?
Date: 24 Dec 1992 10:16:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


	Anyone have dates for So CA faire this year?

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