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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Obituary
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:16:57 GMT

alex@lyra.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.200358.269@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) writes:

>>	the kawi is survived by a grieving, sentimental owner and an
>>	overjoyed owner's boyfriend, who proposed on-the-spot burial.

>Coincidence?  I think not.  I call for an autopsy, followed by a full
>criminal investigation, if necessary.  Should charges be filed, I will
>spearhead the movement to run the dog down and bring him to justice
>(mob or otherwise).  Start by checking his pockets for the oil drain plug.

While I agree that the circumstances are a bit suspicious, lets not be
too quick to lynch Hesh (that can wait until after his fair trial). I
think that the corpse should be examined for symptoms of Ilana Syndrome.
As long as Noemi has been advertizing for her "Next Motorcycle", I think
she must be considered a prime suspect. Her recent tale of a single-
minded European fling with another bike only re-enforce my suspicions.
If the coroner's report bears out my theory, I propose that Ilana
Syndrome be renamed Noemi Syndrome. Let the punishment^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
honor fit the crime^H^H^H^H^Hdeed, and all that.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: High speed in USA?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:12:32 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
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Originator: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <JET.92Nov13134907@boxer.nas.nasa.gov>, jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
|> "mikesteg" == Mike Stegbauer <mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com> writes:
|> 
|> mikesteg> That's the problem with going 80 mph, the cops can catch
|> mikesteg> you.  Seriously, no one gets arrested for going 80 mph,
|> mikesteg> unless you're in a school zone.
|> 
|> In Cali, 85 in a 55 is a $271 fine, and have a nice day..


First off, Mike said 80, not 85!!! 8-P

Second, he said getting arrested, not fined!!  8-P

Third, how do you know this fine, Eric? ;-)

Come on Eric, let's get the facts straight! How do you live with
yourself knowing you cannot keep facts straight in rec.moto??? ;-)

Mark
From: rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Yamaha V-Max specs
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:01:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: godzilla.1992Nov19.020109.6045
Organization: Quotron System, Inc.

Does anyone have any specs on the Yamaha V-Max? Hp, torque, mpg, are
basically what I'm interested in. This brochure I have claims that it
is the worlds most powerful stock bike (not the fastest) but doesn't give
any detailed specs. Also, is it shaft-driven? Thats what it looks like from
the photos in the brochure. I would really be interested in hearing from any
V-Max owners on their perceptions of the bike.   

Thanks in advance,
Rich

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From: robert.laszko@filebank.cts.com (Robert Laszko) 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bikes Indoors and Rid
Date: 15 Nov 92 07:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318
Reply-To: robert.laszko@filebank.cts.com (Robert Laszko) 

>The idea isn't to carry this thing full all the time.  Just carry the empty bot
>in a saddlebag, then if civilization looks to be getting thin, fill it up, and 
>empty it back into the tank when civilization reappears.  Given that, where wou
>you carry a bottle of gasoline on your bike, and what would that bottle be made

A recent article in one of the bike mags suggested using a fuel bottle 
for camping stoves. Seems that they're made out of aluminum (?) and 
designed to hold gas/fuel w/out leaking.

Bob

robert.laszko@filebank.cts.com
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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:00:05 GMT

>>	I know this is all a rationalization on the fingerless gloves. I still
>>	claim to myself that if I hit the asphalt at high speed I'll be able
>>	to get myself *off* my ass and onto the leather parts of my chaps.
>
>  Your kidding right?  
>  While your skidding along on a giant 20 grit beltsander at say 50+mph
>and still stunned from hitting the ground you plan to carefully place
>your palms on the concrete and without burning your fingers off deftly
>place your bodyweight onto the leather part of your chaps?
>
>  Would that be your knees?
>
>  Sebastian "The Human Cannonball" Sears?
>
>  Stop rationalizing and get some leather over that skin.  

I've seen a couple of guys 'trying to get up' after crashing on the track.
The problem is that after crashing at 120mph you tend to be a bit disoriented
(never mind that the only thought racing thru your brain is 'SHIT'). The brain
tries to compensate for the fast moving scenery and tends to tell you you're
at rest when you're still going 30mph. Trying to get up at that point is
a mistake and will only result in you putting on a 2-step performance for
the pit crews - and possible broken bones.

Having crashed on the track and on the street, I have never been able to
rationally analyze my precarious situation while in progress. After the
initial response (see above) all I can manage is 'stay down - stay down - ...'
and I don't think I'm much of a performer.

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: taylor@farm.rtp.dg.com (William Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: fog / driving lights
Keywords: visibility, amber or white, fog or driving
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: taylor@rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC


I'm thinking of getting some 55 watt fog or driving lights
for my 85 shadow for two reasons.

1) So people can see me better.

2) So I can see the road better. I recently installed a fairing that
   someone lent me. Its great for keeping warm!  However, it has lots
   of little scratches that I didn't notice until I rode last night. They
   scatter oncoming headlights and make it impossible to see the road.

I'm going to try to buff out the scratches.
But, I think the lights might help too.

Anyway, does anyone have any experiences with the fog or driving lights.
The three types that they make are

1) wide beam amber
2) wide beam white
3) narrow long beam white

Which is better for me? Amber or white? Fog or driving?

Thanks,
buddy
-- 
Buddy Taylor            85 Honda Shadow VT500C      Data General
taylor@dg-rtp.dg.com    78 Yamaha DT175             Research Triangle Park, NC
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Isle Of Man on TV
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:52:15 GMT

Roger Collier (rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com) wrote:
: In article 15585@bnr.uk, datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: >Did anybody see the Isle Of Man report on Top gear? (BBC2)
: 
: The racing was from the Duke Marketing video (forgotten its name) of the 1992 TT
: The interviews with spectators were not.
: 
: > I liked the way they turned the roads into a big one-way system
: >and let the bikers go ape-shit.
: 
: Mad Sunday:
: Only from Ramsey to Governor's bridge is one way, and they still let Morris Minors on.
: 
: > I am definitely going there next year.
: 
: Me too! But I've not yet found any accommodation. The Island is fully booked.
: 
: - Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM

What about camping?

Nick 9the Bivvy Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Black's camping Shop catalogue


M'Lud.
From: young@mars.dgrc.doc.ca (Norm Young)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:21:12 GMT
Reply-To: young@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Organization: Communication Research Centre

In article 4739@microsoft.com, chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
> In rec.motorcycles weiss@bdcv8 writes:
> ;could follow Honda's lead and produce a V-8 masquerading as a V-4 (NR750).  
> 
> The NR750 is a 32 valve inline 4.  It could possibly
                          ^^^^^^^^^        
> be described as a parallel 8 with very thin cylinder
                    ^^^^^^^^^^
Good grief! That would even make my CBX 6 look narrow. :-)

> Pick, pick, pick.
> 
norm
From: cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FOR SALES ha-ha-ha! CYCLES Trade mark DNEPR from USSR
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:56:15 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Computer Systems

PETER VOROBIEFF writes:
Michael Robinson writes:
> >In article <DLK42-tffq@adis.msk.su> adis@adis.msk.su writes:
> >:  FEATURES:  REABILITY AND ENDURANCE. MOTORCYCLES ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
> >:             HEAVIEST-DUTY OPERATING CONDITIONS (THEY WERE USED IN THE
> >:             SOVIET ARMY NOT ACCIDENTALLY).
> >Now, you really can buy the Red Army's finest sidecar on Usenet.
> You'd better not - it sucks. I had one in Russia - design and engine have
> not changed much since 1944 (the prototype was a 1944 military-issue BMW) -
> the bike's a two-cylinder four-stroke opposite with 500 cubic centimetres
> and only (!) 30hp, heavy, wobbly and ugly like a senile drunk's head.
> Of course, in winter it doesn't start unless you have a warm garage,
> its battery always leaks and its gearbox... Ok, never mind.

Well, if they can just figure out the correct marketing hype to convince
people that the DNEPR has "mystique", they should have the best selling
bike around - after all, it has all the other qualities of a Harley:
large(ish) displacement, low horsepower, heavy, wobbly, and ugly like a
senile drunk's head! B^)

  PRICES:   MORE THEN MODERATE FOR MOTORCYCLES OF THIS CLASS
            DNEPR-11:     1695 $
            DNEPR-16:     1895 $

Of course, they've got to raise the price by an order of magnitude to truly
be competetive with Harley. But that's about all they have to do... :-)


-- 
                  THIS                  | Paul Cantrell "PC"
                  SPACE                 | cantrell@sequoia.com
              INTENTIONALLY             | DoD #1144
               LEFT BLANK               | HELO/ASEL/ZX10 Pilot
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Why I ride
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:59:37 GMT

In <1992Nov22.043156.26147@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:

>In article <y8LiuB1w165w@vector0.SAC.CA.US> jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
>>osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>
>>>      Why I Ride
>>> 
>>>                                           To live a life without
>>> experiencing the thrill of hurtling at 150+ mph on a motorcycle,
>>
>>     The above is not riding.  It's racing.  Just like going 35 mph
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>I disagree.

>A race is a competition.  A race is an effort to reach a goal first.
>I spend a reasonable bit of time over DoD nominal and have touched
>135+ on more than one occasion.  I race no one and prefer that such
>ventures are on solo rides simply becasue I do not like competition
>on a bike.  Yet I like speed.  It is simply a marvelous rush to see
>telephone poles go by like fence posts.  It is wonderful to feel the
>wonderful push of air, even behind the excellent bubble of the FJ.
>It is energizing to feel the quickened pulse of the bike as it lunges
>up to those speeds.  I love it.  And it ain't racing, not even with 
>the euphumistic "self."  If it is anything it is meditation, some of the
>best, most focussed kind of meditation I've ever experienced.  I define
>meditation as a focussed attention.  When in triple digits I find that
>I focus on life.  I am aware of everything.


>Anyway in _my_ heaven, all the bikes run on goat's milk and the cops
>are there to sweep the gravel off the roads in the twisties.  You're
>all invited.  :-)


>Bill
>________________________________________________________________
>johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC 
>AMA #500924   DoD #00314   WMTC #0002  SR= 3
>Yamabeemer fjgs1200pdr100 740GLE  KotV KotRR KotD #0001  :-)
>\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/


  Kindred spirit!

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous








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From: csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott)
Subject: Motowear Update ...
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:03:23 GMT

Well, John Dakar is under the work gun, so I thought I'd call up Motowear
I find out for myself (800-333-3155). I ended up talking with Pat ?? who is one
of the owners of the parent co. which is a work clothing mfgr, but he and his
partner are riders who were looking for something different than leathers.

The Details:
Their suit is a 1-piece elastic-waist coverall-styled unit made of 500 Denier cordura
nylon, same as Aero. There is kevlar/lycra at all the impact areas and the whole
suit is stitched with kevlar thread. The soft armour is a closed-cell .375" thick
pads at the shoulders/knees/elbows. It has 1 or 2 pockets because they feel that
there is inherent danger in putting such things as keys etc. into a breast pocket
in the event of smacking the pavement.  There are zip-open vents which can double
as pocket, but they're trying to avoid adding more pockets. It is water-resistant,
about the same as an Aero, and will handle cold down to ~40 deg F.  It comes in 3 
colors: Red - Black - Blue.  They have 4 std sizes, S-XL, but they take your 
measurements and adjust your suit accordingly - about 5 weeks wait.  Price is $349.

I asked him how he perceives his position vis a vis Aero, he said that the Aero
is a good suit with a few more bells and whistles than Motowear, a little more
convenience, slightly thicker insulation.  His testimonials are coming forth from
a Cycle World writer (missed the name) and locals.

My impression is that it is a good riding suit, if what you want is a suit to
wear to work, casual day or weekend rides, but not the full-up touring suit
capabilities that the Aero offers.

When John Dakar gets out from his work load, he can yea or nay my phone impressions,
meanwhile I have a brochure coming the mail ...

Have a great weekend!

S.

-- 
#   Scott Lilliott -- csl@swl.msd.ray.com 
 #  AMA #600897   "Countersteering is like benchracing. A bunch of posers   
#   DoD #0227      standing around the parts counter lying about all the
 #  INOA #8563     great twisties they've steered through."- Bill Ranck DoD 496
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: KEVLAR suits, any good?
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:46:00 GMT
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

In article <1992Nov15.210237.28759@informix.com> johng@informix.com (John Galloway) writes:
>I have no direct experience with suits, but I would look carefuly with regard
>to where they use KEVLAR.  A recent article in Mororcyclist on gloves included
>a report on a call to DuPont to ask about KEVLAR.  DuPont said that
>KEVLAR is NOT particulaly strong in abrasion resistance.

They said it again in a recent issue (you know, the one with the GTS) when
they reveiwed Motoport's Kevlar suit. The suit passed some people's crash
tests, but didn't fare as well for others. I think that they concluded that
leather was more abrasion resistant and easier to patch, but that the Kevlar
suit was very light, well ventilated and comfortable.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:57:23 GMT

In article <BxznuL.EHG@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>, dab@vuse (The Nashville Flash) writes:
>In article <28846.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:
>>
>>->      Kawasaki had a KZ1300 in-line 6 though its engine had only 12
>>-> valves.
>> Too bad the bike weighed as much as TWO midsize machines.

>I seem to recall reading that the ENGINE weighed about 480 pounds.  At the 
>time I was quite impressed because that was nearly as much as my R80G/S 
>weighed wet, with me on it.

I doubt it's that heavy, that's as much as a small block V8.  I saw
one of these motors used in an autocross car.  It was a small
homebuilt special.  The only drawback to the motor for that
application was that the intake manifold was cast integrally with the
head making carb swaps and porting modifications difficult if not
impossible.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400           1985 ZX900 Ninja              1977 RD400D
                  "I'd rather shoot back."
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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: disappearance
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Keywords: coincidence?  I think not.
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom, Engineering
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:15:39 GMT

BTW, has anyone seen or heard from Chris BeHanna since the big
noise debate? 

While the net.detectives are investigating the suspicious death of
neomi's Cow, maybe someone should check and see if Ed turned Chris
into the EPA. 

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
From: adis@adis.msk.su ( )
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FOR SALE  VERY CHIP SOVIET HARD MOTORCYCLES "DNEPR"
Date: 14 Nov 92 21:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: adis@adis.msk.su
Organization: KIAE

---
>>> ATISNET-GATEWAY: NETCat (Release 3.04/26Apr92) <<<

MsgID: SCHs00787-21114ne0.HAV/58
 From: Andrey Shitikov <@KI.SHAV>
  Org: KIEV
 Lang: ENG.


   The biggest Motorcycle Plant in Europe offers its products:

  Heavy-duty motorcycles with sidecar bearing the trade mark DNEPR.
  SPECIFICACATIONS

  Engine:             Four-stroke, OHV, carburettor, twin-cylinder
  Capacity (cc):                   649
  Maximum power (HP)               32
  Maximum speed (km/h)             95 to 105
  Fuel consumption per 100 km (l)  6.0 to 8.5
  Mass (kg)                        330 & 355

  PRICES:   MORE THEN MODERATE FOR MOTORCYCLES OF THIS CLASS
            DNEPR-11:     1695 $
            DNEPR-16:     1895 $

  DELIVERY TERM:     EX WORKS

  TERM OF PAYMENT:   Prepayment

  DELIVERY OF SPARE PARTS and assistance in organization of technical
  service centers are GUARANTEED under separate contracts.

  FEATURES:  REABILITY AND ENDURANCE. MOTORCYCLES ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
             HEAVIEST-DUTY OPERATING CONDITIONS (THEY WERE USED IN THE
             SOVIET ARMY NOT ACCIDENTALLY).

  Motorcycles have passed homologations in EUROPE.

  We invite young and energetic dealers to cooperation !!!
  Do business with us!  Together we can do more!!!.

  WE WAIT FOR YOUR REPLAY.
  E-MAIL ADDRESS IN MOSKOW  adis@adis.msk.su
  
  POST ADDRESS: BOX 93, KIEV-108, 254108 UKRAIN
 
  TEL IN KIEV (044) 434-89-67, 434-88-06
  FAX IN KIEV (044) 220-44-88 
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From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.200105.12133@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>
>  OK, do this for me.  Put your helmet on and without turning your *head*,
>just turn your eyes all the way to one side or another, and tell me that you
>can't see the edge of your viewport quite plainly.
>
so get yourself one of those steel yarmulke's that all the way cool harley 
guys wear.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------
cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu
DoD #760		 		"fire all of your guns at once"
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Caught by CHiP Moto = No Ticket!
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:37:37 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Was #85 on-ramp, not #87...#85 runs W/E while #87 is N/S. Also, 
the CHiP moto cop never asked for my license nor did he run a
make on my Garbage Wagon. He was in a good mood, too. Must have
been the noctural activities with his wife. :-) 

Graeme Harrison
DoD#649
'In retrospect, not having a DoD license plate may have saved $200+.'
 
' 
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From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Update on 92 CBR600F2 For Sale (Still)
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:39:07 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization:  

Hi,

	Of course, there are some other possibilities.  There are 22 more
payments due at about $82 per mo.  $1600 up front and take over payments 
is a possible offer, as well.

	BTW it is the black/purple color scheme.  I can throw in a 
matching Shoei RF Blaze helmet.  Did I mention the bike comes with a
centerstand and a tank bra ?

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (For Sale, Maybe)    AMA 642916 DoD 0593 FSSNOC 1721
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)
                     '87 KDX200 (Name That Bike)
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: British rides
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:17:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 13207@netcom.com, shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun) writes:
>
>Who cares? I got a motorcycle license when I was 34. Is it considered
>statutory rape for a 36 year old woman, just for example, to have
>sex with a 16 year old boy? Even if he has a motorcycle license? 

Around here, you'd probably be charged with Child Molestation, or
Contributing to the Deliquency of a Minor.

A 30-something schoolteacher recently went to jail for seducing her
16-year-old student.  I don't remember which state.

ID's required at all future hot tub parties.

"Sixteen will get you twenty, but that's alright..."
		- Jimmy Buffett

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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