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From: bjs@uts.amdahl.com (Barry Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: New Saunders 4x5 Enlarger Model ??
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:54:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.photo
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Ron Bosslet writes:
>
>	I'm currently trying to decide on a 4x5 Enlarger and I've 
>	narrowed the choice down to the Beseler 45MX and the Saunders
>	LPL 4500II.  Right now, I'm leaning towards the Saunders, mainly
>	because it can be upgraded (from B&W diffusion head to Dichroic
>	color head) more economically than the Beseler.
>
>   [ ... ]
>
>	If anyone has any opinions re: my choice of Saunders vs.
>	Beseler, I'd like to hear from them also ( hope I don't
>	start a religious war here :-).

Purely IMHO:

I strongly believe that when choosing an enlarger the four most
important factors are:

1)  Rigidity
2)  Rigidity
3)  Rigidity
4)  Parts availability

In the first three categories the Saunders wins hands down.  I walk
into my local dealer and slap the 45MX up 'longside the head
(to paraphrase donl mathis) (pun intended :-) and it wobbles back and 
forth for a few seconds before coming to rest.  Do the same with the 
Saunders and it damps immediately.  That's just about all I need to 
know.

You can cobble together just about any combination of chassis and
head and lens that you want, given enough imagination.  Many do
just that.  But adding rigidity  to an unstable design is drudge
work that I really don't think you should have to do.

Since I don't have a Saunders, but rather an ancient Durst 4x5,
I'm quite sensitive to parts availability.  My local parts source is
not a photo shop.  It's the machine shop at about $100 per hour.  I'd
give my left little finger to be able to just walk into a dealer and
buy or order parts.  Fortunately, I don't often need parts now that
it's set up and working, but ...  The Beseler will probably win out
here.  They've been around for a long time and there'll be lots and
lots of old ones that can be cannabilized for parts.

But I'll still put my money on a rigid chassis.

Barry
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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: New Canon mentioned on CBS This Morning
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:52:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <1992Sep10.152915.28058@wri.com> markm@wri.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.192416.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsjfz@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>> In article <BuC5Mp.A16@cup.hp.com>, pdg@cup.hp.com (Paul Gootherts) writes:
>> 
>> > They said it's able to focus on "what the photographer is looking at".
>> > They didn't say what that means.  They also said it is expected to sell
>> 
>
>I saw the story too.  They said that the camera uses two small laser-beams to  
>determine what the photographer is looking at.  I guess these lasers would  
>shoot out through the viewfinder and reflect off your eyeball, giving the  
>camera some sort of clue as to what corner of the viewfinder your staring at.
>
>I don't know if it'll work or not.

Gadgets using roughly the same approach have been in at least limited use
since late in the Viet Nam war period.  Helicopter gunship gunners don't
always need to play with some hand control to aim their main guns...they
just look at the target, the gun is slaved to where they're looking.





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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: gjb@fig.citib.com (Greg Brail)
Subject: Re: another all mechnical camera
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:15:59 GMT

In article <10SEP199214453382@venus.tamu.edu> s0l3906@venus.tamu.edu (LIN, SHYH-HORNG) writes:
>A few months ago some netters talked about all mechnical
>cameras. Only two are mentioned : Pentex K-1000 and Nikon
>FM2. I recently got a brochure of Yachica FX3 super 2000.
>Looking at its spec. ,it seems to me it is also a all 
>mechnical camera : mechnical shutter, mechnical timer. You 
>can use it without batteries.( Of course, meter's h
>gone)

Similarly, are there any good, mechanical rangefinder cameras any more
besides the Leica M6? I'd love something light, with manual focus,
manual exposure (O.K. -- maybe an automatic mode), and manual winding.
I'd just like to be able to take photos with something that doesn't
make all the noise of my Canon EOS. The M6 sounds wonderful, but I'd
rather not pay more than $3000 for a camera and lens.

				greg
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: NEED INFORMATION ON A CAMERA!!!
From: fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie)
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:01:48 EST
Followup-To: rec.photo
Distribution: world
Organization: NASA/Kennedy Space Center, Florida

In article <1992Sep15.053020.20422@iitmax.iit.edu>, keivjam@elof.iit.edu
(James Keivom) wrote:
> Could anyone inform me about the Pentax ME-Super w/ 50 mm F 1.7 lens?
> A guy on the net is selling it to me.  I am a beginner, this is my
> first SLR camera.  Would you recommend it for an absolute beginner
> or can i find a better camea.  would you know whats good about it/
> what its weakpoints are(ie no interchangeable lenses).  is it worth
> getting. i.e. does it allow room for expansion..

jim-

Yes!  The Pentax ME-Super is a good camera.  The Pentax 50mm f/1.7 is a
good lens.  This makes a good first camera for someone who is serious about
photography.

The only drawback might be lack of auto-focus, when compared to the more
modern cameras.  I'm not sure about the ME-Super, can you operate it in
full manual mode, or are you stuck with auto exposure only?  If I'm not
mistaken, there are a couple of buttons on the top to select manual shutter
speed.

fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: roberto@arrocha.charlotte.nc.us (Roberto Arrocha)
Subject: Good quality slide to print service
Reply-To: roberto@arrocha.charlotte.nc.us
Organization: Roberto E. Arrocha
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:15:25 GMT

This question has probably beenasked many times before, but..

I use slides for 90% of my photography, and am very happy with the  
results. For high quality prints, I use a local lab that does great  
professional work. It is expensive(!), and they use inter-negatives to get  
the print. Nontheless, they do good work.

I use them only for large prints, but for the multitude of 8x12 and 4x6 I  
use to distribute I need a more reasonable(read cheaper) alternative that  
does good work. I have tried Kodalux, but their work is at best erratic,  
and they seem to have trouble with high contrast slides.

Anyone know of a lab that does high quality work, is reasonable and  
accepts mail-in orders?

Thanks.
-- 
Roberto
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From: mtoms@ems.cdc.com (Mark Toms)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Nikon Photo School: is it good? Phone Number Correction
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:32:49 GMT
Reply-To: mtoms@ems.cdc.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <BuBEKK.40G.1@cs.cmu.edu>, phg+@CS.CMU.EDU (Paul Gleichauf) writes:
|> 
|> Large numbers of photographs are shown and discussed.  Cost $75, includes lunch and a Handbook. Call (516) 545-8666 (9:30 am - 4:00 pm Eastern Time) for
|> registration information, or local retailers have forms.  Sessions last for 
|> two weekend days.  September 12-13, this weekend, sessions begin in Pittsburgh and Phoenix, Scottsdale.  Chicago and Minneapolis the following and Sacremento and Orlando October 3-4.  Get the brochure for the less timely dates and locations.
|> 

I called NIKON and learned that the correct phone number is (515) 547-8666.

Mark Toms

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Xref: sparky rec.photo:15814 rec.backcountry:6939
From: halvers@procyon.crd.ge.com (Pete Halverson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: What tripod do you use when backpacking?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:11:27 GMT
Reply-To: halverson@crd.ge.com (Pete Halverson)
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Sep8.194041.9468@cs.rit.edu> kar@cs.rit.edu (Kenneth A Reek) writes:
>In article <lapv16INN9u2@almaak.usc.edu> ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:
>>What is a good tradeoff between weight and stability?
>
>	Of course it depends on what type of pictures you'll be taking, but
>you might want to consider a monopod.  The backpackers I've seen already 
>huge packs; if you're going to be carrying that load very far (not to 
>mention your photo gear), the weight difference between a monopod and a
>tripod might be enough to justify its reduced functionality.

Plus a monopod makes a great collapsible hiking staff, especially if you
wrap it with some grip tape at the appropriate height!  You probably
shouldn't leave a camera mounted on it, though :-)



Pete Halverson                                      INET: halverson@crd.ge.com 
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Schenectady, NY
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Re: Info on Better wide angle
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
	<PHR.92Sep11144804@soda.berkeley.edu>
	<11SEP92160410@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:26:38 GMT

In article <11SEP92160410@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> paulf@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (Paul Frankenstein, Bs.D.) writes:

>Perhaps I should have rephrased my statement: while most low-end AF SLR's are
>indeed SLR's, and do offer the option of all-manual control, they are designed
>(ore at least seem designed) to discourage using the manual controls and
>learning more about photography.

I don't think this is true, at least not for the Canon EOS 1000 (Rebel)
(unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with the other models to have
an opinion). Its user interface is very similar to the one on the EOS
10 and the EOS 100 (Elan). It even has selective (aka semi-spot)
metering. 

>Also, they tend to break easily and don't stand up to abuse well.

That remains to be seen.
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
Xref: sparky rec.photo:16057 rec.video:11200
From: debeijer@cs.ucsd.edu (Richard de Beijer)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: How to buy good AF compact zoom camera in USA?
Keywords: zoom camera, autofocus, ways of purchasing, prices
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:11:20 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


I have just arrived a few weeks ago in the San Diego area and I
am looking for a autofocus compact camera with a zoom lens
(because it should be pretty less expensive to buy it here than
in The Netherlands, where I come from).

What I am looking for is a compact autofocus camera with a 
reasonable zoomlens (at least 90mm) of good quality and for a
really sharp price.

Questions I would like to be answered by an 'expert' on this 
that is also reading rec.photo:

1. where do I have to look for when shopping for such a
   camera (e.g. is there much difference in lens qualities?)

2. preferably in the San Diego area: what stores are best to
   visit? Or is it even better, at least when you have decided
   for a specific camera, to order it by mail? What is the 
   cheapest way to buy such a camera?

3. should one recommend a specific camera (Minolta, Canon e.g.)
   or even a specific type of camera (e.g. Minolta Zoom 90c,
   Olympus Infinity Super Zoom 3000)?

4. what is the best way to get more, independent information on
   photographic equipment?

5. what prices should I expect for this type of camera?


I would be very happy if someone can answer these questions, it
would make it a lot easier to find a way in the jungle of cameras
and camera shops/camera mailorder companies. Please reply to this
newsgroup or send e-mail to me: debeijer@cs.ucsd.edu.

Thanks in advance!

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Computer Science & Engineering dept.
9500 Gilman Drive
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114
U.S.A.

e-mail: debeijer@cs.ucsd.edu (U.S.A.)
        richardb@cs.kun.nl (The Netherlands)
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From: f88mattb@fy.chalmers.se (Mattias Bryntesson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Cheap "Leica" (Re: another all mechnical camera)
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:40:37 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

In article <10SEP199214453382@venus.tamu.edu> s0l3906@venus.tamu.edu (LIN, SHYH-HORNG) writes:
...
>For a beginner who want a mechnical camera, it seems to me that
>Yachica FX3 super 2000 is a better buy than Pente x.
...

Another feature of Yashica is that you can use Leica lenses, making
the bodies interesting for others than beginners. I don't think they
come with such a lens, at least not for $119.   ;-(

Mattias
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp)
Subject: Digital Photography
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:23:49 GMT

A co-worker is very interested in digital photography, to the point
that he has purchased a color scanner and color inkjet printer,
upgraded his PC, and has begun scanning and editing his old
photographs, including restoration of some antique photographs of
relatives.

I was certain, given the nature of this medium (i.e., usenet), that
discussion of digital photography *somewhere* was a virtual certainty.
From looking at rec.photo over the last week or two, I find an
extremely diverse and voluminous discussion of conventional photography
here.  The only mention I've seen of digital photography is of the
ethics of applying intellectual property protection to Kodak's Photo CD
product.

Am I looking in the wrong place?  Is there an appropriate mailing
list?  Even if rec.photo did occasionally discuss digital phtography, I
can't possibly justify the expense of feeding all the other (to us)
irrelevant traffic, for the crumb or two of information we might
interested in.  Hasn't anyone considered splitting this group into
_manageable_ subdiscussions, potentially including digital
photography?  I can't say I believe the FAQ assertion that everyone
would simply end up joining every subgroup...

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: markm@wri.com
Subject: Re: Digital portfolio
Reply-To: markm@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:05:01 GMT

In article <65656@cup.portal.com> wkc@cup.portal.com (William Kirk Clendinning)  
writes:
> Did anyone read the article in the August Photo District News concerning
> Dave Revette using Infolynx software to submit photographs on disk to
> prospective clients?  What is the concensus on digital portfolios?

I missed the article, but I've been toying with this idea for some time now.   
The biggest problem (risk) I see is sending a potential client a disk and they  
load it on some crappy monitor with lousy resolution, and decide your work is  
terrible.  It doesn't matter how good your system is for mastering the images  
and disks, you still have very little control over the final quality of the  
image the client sees.

Of course, disks are alot cheaper to make and mail.  Perhaps include one or two   
postcard-size prints with the disk.

Anyway, what did the article say?  Can you summarize please?

--Mark
From: harrison@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Morris Slaves and Nicads
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:36:03 GMT
Reply-To: harrison@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

Here's a brief course in flash electronics.  A flash unit has the flash tube
a capacitor for powering the flash tube, and some circuitry for chargeing the
capacitor and triggering the flash tube.  When the capacitor is uncharged, and
you start to charge it, its resistance is very low, almost to the point of
being a short circuit.  Which is why the power supply gave that indication
at first.  The same problem applies to using nicads.  Nicads have very low
internal resistance, so they can produce a lot of current into a short 
circuit.  They get very hot when they do this.  In addition, using two
nicads instead of two akalines will make it very hard to get the capacitor
filled.  Nicad cells have a nominal voltage of 1.2V, akalines are 1.5V 
(the actual voltage varies according to charge and load).  Those 2 nicads 
were delivering 2.4V when the circuitry expected 3V.  It is doubtful that 
they could have ever charged the Morris slave fully, especially when you 
consider that many akaline cells will produce 3.3V from two cells, and many
flashes probably don't work too well below 3V.
From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Can someone derive this term?
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:24:38 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1992Sep7.035007.29214@ultb.isc.rit.edu> fjcppr@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In Popular Photography, they use the term "tyro" a lot. It appears to
>mean someone who is very inexperienced with photography, or someone 
>who is gadget-oriented in a bad sort of way. Can someone explain
>the derivation and real meaning of this strange term? 

tyro (tiro) n., pl. -ros.  An inexperienced person; beginner. [< Lat. tiro,
recruit.].  RTFD, sheesh!  ;-)
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From: Sil.Horwitz@p8.f18.n363.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: t-Max Films
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 03 Sep 92  11:23:08

 VA->  Has anyone tried using D-76,1-1 with the T-Max films?  My 
 VA->  wife hand processes it regularly and the results are quite 
 VA->  good.

I have been using D-76, 1:1, for decades, and it's the best developer around
EXCEPT for T-Max. Never could get it to work right. I shifted over to T-Max
developer and immediately my T-Max negs met specs. To ease the pain of cost,
the T-Max developer has a very long shelf life! How are you using D-76 to get 
the good results with T-Max films? <<sil>>

--- msged 1.99S ZTC
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ptse@bcars65b.bnr.ca (Paul Tse)
Subject: Re: B&W Slide film
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:02:13 GMT

ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:

>Now, after having had a lot of fun with a Nikon 6006 shooting (color)
>slides, I'd like to try my hand at B&W slides.  What would you suggest
>for film?  How is it processed?  Would Kodalux-as-usual work?

You may want to try Polaroid's B&W slide film.  It is processed using
Polaroid chemistry in a bulk-loader-looking-thing.  I've seen results:
kinda grainy and contrasty, but sharp.
 
I've heard that XP-2 can be exposed at EI-50 (not sure) and then 
push processed in E8 chemistry.  You should check with your local
labs to see who does this and what the EI is.  I think this ruins
their chemicals, so you'll probably be charged a lot for this service.
 
Good luck.
From: M18709@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Dewitt Jones & Canon/Outdoor Photographer Seminar
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:51:15 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

I have seen a few comments about Outdoor Photographer/Canon
Photo seminars.  However, must posting seem to have focused on
George Lepp's presentation.  Has anyone seen Dewitt Jones' program,
titled the "Art of Seeing"?  Is Jones a good presenter?  Is the material
covered interesting?  Is it aimed at outdoor photography or
photography in general?  (I believe Jones does commercial shoots as
well.)  Is the seminar worth $40?  Should I bring my equipment?
Are there a lot of exhibitors?  Would I feel out of place with Nikon
equipment?  Is this just a advertising gimmick for Canon?
Approximately how many people attend this kind of seminar?
 
The seminar is this weekend in Washington, DC.  Any advice would
be welcome.
 
Post or e-mail to m18709@mwvm.mitre.org.  Thank you in advance.
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From: koolish@BBN.COM (Richard M. Koolish)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: origin of word 'tyro'
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:00:31 GMT
Reply-To: koolish@BBN.COM (Richard M. Koolish)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


From 'Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary":

    tyro, n., [L. tiro, a young soldier, recruit] a beginner in learning;
    a novice: also spelled tiro.