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From: frank@croton.nyo.dec.com (Frank Wortner)
Subject: Re: How to specify file attributes for DECnet copy?
Reply-To: frank@nyo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:25:20 GMT


Let me try answering this one again, since I didn't understand the questions
the first time around :-(

>I have to copy on a *VMS* node a file *from* that node *to* an
>Ultrix node via DECnet in order to process it later on from a PC.

OK.

>It seems to me, that COPY and none of its qualifiers will do that: the file
>is created uppercase and with version number. The problem then: this file
>can't be seen from a Pathworks PC.

You have to specify the target filename on the ULTRIX machine.

>The copy command looks like this:
>VMS $ COPY FILE.EXT ULTRIX"ACCOUNT PASSWORD"::

Pathworks won't display the file on the PC unless the corresponding name
in the ULTRIX directory is lower case and 8 or fewer chanacters before the
period and 3 or fewer after.  Try:

COPY FILE.EXT ULTRIX"ACCOUNT PASSWORD"::"file.ext"

The quotes should force VMS to leave the filename alone and *not* map it
into a VMS filespec.

>BTW, is there a way to give the file another protection while created
>by fal (it does not work with COPY/PROTECTION). Fal does not process
>.login or .profile, so setting the umask there is of no avail. Is there
>a special startup script for fal (i.e. .fal)?

Peter Mayne (pjdm@chmeee.enet.dec.com) was on the right track when he said:

> ncp show object fal char

If you do this, you'll get something like this:

ncp show object fal char

Object Volatile Characteristics as of Thu Jan  7 11:04:55 EST 1993

Object = fal

Number                             = 17
File                               = /usr/etc/fal
Default User                       = guest
Type                               = Sequenced Packet
Accept                             = Deferred

You can substitute a script for /usr/etc/fal which sets the umask and then
exec's the real fal program (which you've moved somewhere else).  Something
like

#! /bin/sh
umask 022
exec /usr/etc/fal.executable

should work.  It's unsupported, so any unforseen consequences are
yours to deal with.  I've done similar things in the past, though, and they
have worked.

					Frank


Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: weis@netmbx.netmbx.de (Dietmar Weis)
Subject: How to specify file attributes for DECnet copy?
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:09:47 GMT

I have to copy on a *VMS* node a file *from* that node *to* an
Ultrix node via DECnet in order to process it later on from a PC.

I wanted copy to convert the VMS file name specifications to Ultrix
specification: strip off version number and convert to lowercase.

It seems to me, that COPY and none of its qualifiers will do that: the file
is created uppercase and with version number. The problem then: this file
can't be seen from a Pathworks PC.

Is there a way to prevent this? The copy command looks like this:
VMS $ COPY FILE.EXT ULTRIX"ACCOUNT PASSWORD"::

What I *do not* need are workarounds like initiating the copy from Ultrix
or DOS (where this conversion will be done, of course).

BTW, is there a way to give the file another protection while created
by fal (it does not work with COPY/PROTECTION). Fal does not process
.login or .profile, so setting the umask there is of no avail. Is there
a special startup script for fal (i.e. .fal)?

Thank you very much,
Dietmar
-- 
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Voice: +49 30 884 28 54-0   |                      Uhlandstrasse 179/180
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: mla@enea.se (Mats L|fstr|m)
Subject: UUCP/acucap problem.
Uucp-Path: mcvax!kth!sunic!enea.se!mla
Reply-To: mla@enea.se (Mats L|fstr|m)
Organization: Enea Data AB, Sweden
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:27:46 GMT

I have a problem when trying to get an uucp working on a Ultrix 4.2A
(Rev 47).  It's looks to me as an acucap thing (which I'm not familiar
to!).

The modem is a Hayes compatible 2400 BPS (I haven't actually seen it,
I'm some 700 miles from the site...). I don't even know the soft
switch settings (sometimes life sucks!).

This is the acucap entry:


hayes24|h2400| HAYES smartmodem 2400:\
	:ss=\rAT\r\d:sr=OK:di=ATDT:dt=\r:os=CONNECT 2400:cr:hu:re:rd:ls:\
	:sd#1000000:dd#1000000:fd#50000000:cd#60000000:db:

(I know the delay times are silly, but what the hell...)

When calling uucico like this

	uucico -r1 -x20 -smla

I get this output (phone number has been X'd, if you didn't notice...):

Spoolname is: /usr/spool/uucp/sys/DEFAULT
anlwrk, file is null, fp=0
bldlst pre::
In SubDir, directory is:/usr/spool/uucp/sys/DEFAULT/C.:
finds called
getto called
call: no. XXXXXXXXX for sys mla
Looking for ACU
Using ACU to call
Dialing XXXXXXXXX
correct brand hayes24
Using generic
Calling gen_setupEntering generic dialer routine for hayes24
num = XXXXXXXXX
syncs = ^MAT^M
dialstr = ATDT
respsync = OK
compstr = 
charup 1
hangup 1
dtr 1
lsleep 1 stupidi 0
dialdel = 1000000
cdelay = 50000000
dialterm = ^M
dtr delay = 1
gensync
output: ^MAT^M  d 41 54 d DELAY
input: ^MAT^M^M
OK
gendial
dials = ATDTXXXXXXXXX^M
output: ATDTXXXXXXXXX^M  XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX d
waiting for carrier
carrier detected
input (failed): 
online failed
gendisconnect
gendisconnect
Generic dialer error on /dev/tty00
close generic, Def = 8
gendisconnect
clsacu entered
clsacu entered
about to close acu
clsacu entered
exit code 0
gen.c: cspeed=-1, dspeed=-1

The time between "carrier detect" and "input (failed):" is very short.

The called modem answers nice and easy, and is used as recieving end
from other (non-Ultrix) uucp-nodes.

Anyone out there with an answer to my problem?

	mla

Mats Lofstrom, ENEA Data AB, mla@enea.se
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: DECnsr 1.1 -> 2.0 upgrade oddity...
Organization: CS
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:02:10 GMT



I have my volume retention period set to 1 year, the browse index set to
a 3 months as well.  So I'm looking through my backup sets with decnsr, and
it says that some 3 month old volumes are recyclable.  Since I recognized
the names as being from the end of october, I though "Impossible."

Upon further examination, it thinks that some of the savesets were made
in 1938, and hence, are a more than a year old.  The mon/day are right, 
just the year is hosed.  Since it's for several volumes made on several
different days, I don't think it was some kind of local time oddity...

Weird.
-- 
 Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science
 Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717	osyjm@cs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: rosenth@vision.ethz.ch (Lukas Rosenthaler)
Subject: Re: Shared libraries for Ultrix 4.3 ? (for X11)
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:37:48 GMT

In <2479@inasys.UUCP> behe@inasys.UUCP (Bernd Hentig) writes:

>Wonder whether it is possible to have dynamic shared libraries with Ultrix
>somehow.
>I had a look at gcc-2.x, but couldn't figure out how to set up gld for Ultrix
>or if it is possible at all.
>The /usr partition on our DECsystem 5000/240 (RZ25) is already overfull with
>the standard Ultrix installation (> 200 MByte) and I would like to install
>X11r5 with lots of Motif clients ... (X11 'hello world' > 1 MByte !).

>You may follow up to this article, there won't be enough mail to give
>a reason to summarize.

>Bernd


Hi,
no luck ! Ultrix 4.3 does not (and to may knowledge) later versions will
not support shared libraries. You will have to change to OSF/1 to get
shared libraries and other goodies....

Lukas
From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Floppies On a 5000/240?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:31:51 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ope001.iao.ford.com

In article <1993Jan12.093027.4423@leland.Stanford.EDU>
jsk@havoc.stanford.edu (Jeffrey Kuskin) writes:

:I have a DECStation 5000/240 with an RX23 3.5" floppy drive.
:How can I format an MS-DOS compatible disk in this drive?
:And, assuming I can format an MS-DOS disk, how do I copy
:files to and from it?

You want mtools, available for anonymous FTP from:

prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/mtools-2.0.7.tar.Z

Out of curiosity, is such functionality available as part of OSF/1?

						...Mike

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 Michael J. O'Connor           |  Internet:  mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com
 Ford Motor Company, OPEO      |  UUCP:      ...!{backbone}!fmsrl7!mjo
 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu (Barbara Dyker)
Subject: Re: (summary) bug in htons or sockets?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:22:50 GMT

Many thanks to:

Matt Thomas                     Internet:   thomas@lkg.dec.com
U*X Networking                  UUCP:       ...!decwrl!thomas
Digital Equipment Corporation   Disclaimer: This message reflects my own
Littleton, MA                               warped views, etc.

For his fast and useful response.

The real confusion was that there *used to be* a bug in the
man page for htons.  My 4.1 man page says htons is null as
in my original posting.  The man page now correctly states:

     On some non-ULTRIX machines these routines
     are defined as null macros in the include file <netinet/in.h>.


Barbara J. Dyker                       Department of Computer Science
Computer Systems Manager               Campus Box 430B, ECEE00-69
barb@cs.colorado.edu                   University of Colorado
(303) 492-2545                         Boulder, CO  80309-0430
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: NFSWATCH under ultrix
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:14:49 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan11.211450.23488@pb.com> hurme@micro2.pb.com (John Hurme) writes:
>I recently received a copy of nfswatch from the gatekeeper.dec.com.
>I noticed when running the program, the bottom half of the screen
>does not collect and statistics on NFS client hosts, file systems, or
>NFS procedures.  I have ran the program as root and as a regular user
>and the stats do not get updated.  Has anyone experienced this problem?

You need to have the packetfilter installed in your kernel and you
need to enable promiscuous mode with pfconfig:

  # pfconfig +p ln0



Mike
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Subject: Re: Looking for Ultrix based X-Window Text Editor
Reply-To: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:31:27 GMT

In article <1il179INNivh@usenet.pa.dec.com>, klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee) writes:
|>|> We are currently looking for a decent X-Window Text File Editor
|>|> with more functionality than xedit.  Does anyone know of any
|>|> X-Window editors that are available on the internet or commercially?
|>|> It should be easy to use for end-users.
|>
|>Did you try dxnotepad, which comes with Ultrix DECwindows?  It has a basic
|>mouse and type mode for casual users.  It is also somewhat extensible for
|>more serious users.
|>
What about dectpu?  It has a windows interface and can be configured to look
like just about anything.
--
Jim Feldman                         || This space for lease, contact your
Digital Equipment Corp              || Digital Sales Rep.
CSC/Colorado Springs                || 

My opinions are my own and in no way reflect Digital's POV (unless they're
charging somebody for me to give them).
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: beyer@athena.uto.dec.com (Peter Beyer)
Subject: Re: Use of xdm for local display
Reply-To: beyer@athena.uto.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:50:53 GMT


Sure no problem. Just modify /etc/ttys to call xdm instead of Xprompter
and setup xdm according to it's own rules.

/Peter

Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Subject: Re: PATHWORKs for ULTRIX
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:01:33 GMT


We use the pathworks tcp/ip (and the analagous lanman 2.X over tcp/ip) for about
half our pcs accessing servers, and have done so for better than a year.  In
answer to your specific questions:
 
     -  tcp/ip and DECNET are transports for the pathworks utilities, and most
          (but not quite all) utilities work as well over tcp/ip as DECNET
          (Note however that the DECNET functions  ncp,  ndu etc dont work)

     -  future:  my crystal ball is no better than yours.  It is worth noting
          that the pathworks for osf/1 on al;pha is delayed until late 1993,
          according to my DEC salesman.  It is highly probable however that third
          parties will fill the void if necessary (as they have done for sun)

     -  if anything I find less problem with the TCP/IP transport than the DECNET
          transport (the transport is lanman tcp/ip originally from HP  via 3COM)

     -  we certainly find it more open than DECNET, our pcs now mount os/2
          servers, ms-dos servers, VMS servers, and Ultrix servesr, with HP servers
          soon to be added (I hope).  Further this puts most of our pcs on a 
          tcp/ip stack for their network utilities (we can now deploy smtp mail
          and netnews easily on the pcs).  Finally the tcp/ip stack is routable,
          which the nbp and netbuei stacks really arent, so we can establish a
          routed tcp/ip environment over the whole corporation

     -  obviously we are an installation, with approximately 200 pcs connected to
          an environment of about 30 vms and 30 ultrix machines backed up by two 
          opticalstorage  systems accessible to the pc over the pathworks tcp/ip 
          environment

In short, I think this is a very smart thing to do!
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
From: refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: A few questions from a novice on microvax station II
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:40:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


I have inherited a microvax station II with tk50, 71 Mb hard disk,
ethernet card, etc.  Looks pretty complete.  The problem is that is
is running ultrix 1.1.  I notice by reading the faq that ultrix is 
up to about 4.3.  The problem is of coarse that 1.1 uses about 30 Mb
while I gather that 4.3 uses upward of 300-400 Mb.  That won't fit
on my 71 Mb disk.

So, the first question is: how bad is 1.1, how good is 4.3, and what's
a good compromise between the two in terms of size/functionality?

Next question: I have the RQDX3 controller (M7555) and am wondering
what other non-DEC drives I can put on it and get the operating system
to use it (I realise it is an ST-506 interface).

Final question (for now):  how to copy the TK50 boot tapes.  I have
only one copy of the ultrix 1.1 distribution tape and do not feel
comfortable without a backup.  I think it has something to do with
the dd utility, but am not sure.

One more question: is this the right place to be asking these 
questions or is there a better place?

Thanks for any help!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.windows.open-look
From: jtkohl@zk3.dec.com (John Kohl Base File System)
Subject: XView 3.0 +patch2 ported to OSF/Alpha AXP?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:25:42 GMT

Has anybody ported the XView toolkit to Alpha AXP running OSF/1?

If so, I'd appreciate patches/hints.
--
John Kohl <jtkohl@zk3.dec.com> or <jtkohl@mit.edu>
working for but not representing:	Digital Equipment Corporation
Member of the League for Programming Freedom---get details: lpf@uunet.uu.net
(The above opinions are MINE.  Don't put my words in somebody else's mouth!)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: jdoyle@phy.umassd.edu (Jim Doyle)
Subject: Re: A few questions from a novice on microvax station II
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:00:50 GMT

In <2B48BCDF.28875@news.service.uci.edu> refling@sloth.eng.uci.edu (John P. Refling) writes:

>So, the first question is: how bad is 1.1, how good is 4.3, and what's
>a good compromise between the two in terms of size/functionality?

	I installed VAX Ultrix V4.2 on a VAXStation 2000 with an RD54 ;
it's a 190MB drive that formats down to about 150 MB. On it - I have the
base subset, the kernel config files, TCPIP+NFS, Software Development
Utilities Subset and a full install of X11R5. When I was done, that 150
MB turned into 2.5 MB on the root partition and 25 MB on the /usr
partition. :-)

>Next question: I have the RQDX3 controller (M7555) and am wondering
>what other non-DEC drives I can put on it and get the operating system
>to use it (I realise it is an ST-506 interface).
	I believe that the DEC drives are really these:
RD52	70 MB	Micropolis 1325
RD53	140 MB	Maxtor XT1140
RD54	190 MB	Maxtor XT2190

>Final question (for now):  how to copy the TK50 boot tapes.  I have
>only one copy of the ultrix 1.1 distribution tape and do not feel
>comfortable without a backup.  I think it has something to do with
>the dd utility, but am not sure.

Get a spare disk.

...... Jim Doyle (UMass Dept. of Computer Science / RCF )
From: srmorin@zonker.ecs.umass.edu (Steven R Morin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Ultrix 4.2 on the 11/780
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:46:27 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Larry Riffe (University of New Mexico)sent me a reply, and for some 
reason, mail to his address bounces.  

Larry:  I'm interested in how you built the boot disks.  Please contact me
at srmorin@zonker.ecs.umass.edu.  Thanks

Sorry about the bandwidth.

Steve Morin
From: mjr@TIS.COM (Marcus J Ranum)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Any way to do a faster link??
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:45:24 GMT
Reply-To: mjr@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.

>I need to know if there is any way to speed up compile time on a DECstation
>5000? The bottle neck seems to be the linking portion of the compile cycle,
>especially, if some of the libraries are coming off of NFS.

	NFS is the problem here. One gross kludge would be to have your
makefile maintain *copies* of the library on local disk. I have done this
in the past, and while it's *ugly* it works. I.e.:


LIBS=	libX.a
foo:	foo.o $(LIBS)
	cc -o foo foo.o $(LIBS)

libX.a:	/usr/lib/libX.a
	cp /usr/lib/libX.a $@
	ranlib $@

clean:
	rm -f foo foo.o $(LIBS)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.wizards
From: ccksb@trentu.ca (Ken Brown)
Subject: help with quotas please
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:46:04 GMT


Hello,

I'm having some difficulty with quotas and I'm certain there is someone
out there who could enlighten me (or point me on the path to true
enlightenment - re: the zen of disk quotas).

I'm running ultrix 4.2a on a DECsystem 5000.  Upon creating a few
accounts today it appeared that disk quotas were not being set as they
should be (we run an addusers program which, among other things, sets
the quota for a user).  We `inherited' this addusers program which has
worked fine so let's leave this out of the question.  At any rate, a
`quota' on these users indicated none.

A quick and dirty rtfm of repquota and quotacheck lead me to run these
little ditties which seems to have corrected the problems and given
quotas to those accounts mentioned above.  So, here are my questions;

1)	Can quotas get screwed up?  And if so how?  Nemeth, Snyder and
Seebass indicate that quota information can become degraded after long
periods of time and/or abrupt system halts and crashes.   We've had
neither, to my knowledge.  Whaddaya think?

2)	How do I interpret the results of quotacheck?  This seems to
have repaired the problem of accounts without quotas - a subsequent
`quota' on the account shows quotas where they were not before.  Has the
utility _really_ ben successful in finding accounts with no quota and
imposing a quota?  Here are partial results of one pass of quotacheck;

# quotacheck -v /usr/users
*** Check quotas for /dev/rrz1f
operator   fixed: inodes (old 599, new 600) blocks (old 8810, new 8812)
ccgwt      fixed: inodes (old 1767, new 1771) blocks (old 108260, new 108260)
pypm       fixed: inodes (old 74, new 75) blocks (old 2710, new 2710)
csplr      fixed: inodes (old 284, new 290) blocks (old 8518, new 8518)
csre       fixed: inodes (old 11, new 12) blocks (old 76, new 76)

3)	How do I interpret the results of repquota?  Specifically, what
does `--' vs. `+-' mean?  Here are partial results of one pass of
repquota;

# repquota -a
                        Block limits               File limits
User            used    soft    hard  warn    used  soft  hard  warn
operator  --   39120       0       0     0     539     0     0     0
cclrl     +-   13999   13900   14000     3     670     0     0     3
pymbr     +-    4761    1900    2000     3     353     0     0     3

4)	What might you recommend as a procedure to check the status of
all users' quotas and to assure (or be warned) of accounts without
quotas and/or with quotas outside specified values?

Thanks in advance for comments/recommendations/pointers.

-- 
Ken Brown                                   internet: kbrown@trentu.ca
Trent University Computing & Telecommunications  tel: (705)748-1540
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8           fax: (705)748-1246 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: mcl@bfomcl.enet.dec.com (Mark C. Leffler)
Subject: TIF converters
Reply-To: mcl@bfomcl.enet.dec.com (Mark C. Leffler)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:05:59 GMT

Anyone out there have any TIF converters for use under ULTRIX? I've
tried to FTP from the 
sites mentioned in the pbmplus man page, but no luck...

Any info appreciated.
- Mark
From: johnd@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Dodson)
Subject: Ultrix 4.2 patches cause telnetd pty problem ?
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:57:05 GMT

(Machine = DecStn 5000/200 - Ultrix 4.2)
I just needed to install the Ultrix 4.2 packetfilter patches pfilt.o and
net_common.o so I installed them...

While I was at it I thought I would install the lk201 Keyboard "b6" error
problem patches, ibt431.o, bt455.o, lk201.o and ws_device.o as well...

And increase the number of pseudo ttys (to 4 lots of 16) so I also did the
MAKEDEV for the new pty/tty groups.

I made sure the following were in the Kernel config file...

options		PACKETFILTER

pseudo-device 	pty 4

pseudo-device	packetfilter

and rebuilt the kernel, which happened with no errors, then rebooted with the
"new" kernel.

Once booted everything seemed ok, except any telnet connection attempt resulted
in "All network ports in use" .

However only I was logged in from an Xterm on ttyp0, ttyp1, ttyp2 & ttyp3 so
I logged off from ttyp0 & tried a telnet again - It worked ! but any subsequent
did not (note that the rest of the ttyp's were unused at the time)

I know I should never have changed so many things at once, but my users don't
like the machine going up & down all the time testing kernels ;-) I suppose I
will have to try each change individually until it goes wrong again, unless...

Anyone seen this before ?
Do I have to stick with the number of pseudo ttys I already have ?

any help appreciated...

Thanks

John

John Dodson,					Dept of Physiology,
johnd@physiol.su.oz.au				University of Sydney,
Phone	+61-2-692-3277				NSW 2006
Fax	+61-2-692-2058				Australia.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix