From: lis450bd@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student)
Subject: Re: RSS ( Culture & Heritage )
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:21:47 GMT

indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM writes:

>To: kannan@lamar.ColoState.EDU
>Subject: Re: RSS ( MP Government's Silent revolution in Education)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian

>In article <Sep06.041250.22719@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> you write:
>>In article <1992Sep5.170704@IASTATE.EDU> porayath@IASTATE.EDU (Rajiv Porayath) writes:
>>
>>>        Unless we agree on the word cultural aspects of Indian civilization
>>>this discussion will not yield any conclusion.What I gather from the cultural
>>>aspects of Indian civilization means the culture of Indian society dating back
>>>to BC before the advent of either islam or christanity.This goes back to the
>>>vedas,gita,ram,Krishna,buddha ,mahavir,ashoka etc.All of which originated in
>>>India and flourished here.I do not include the culture that developed elsewhere
>>>and made its way to India.
>>
>>I'm curious to know why "culture" that originated outside current Indian 
>>borders and got assimilated into the Indian fabric must be excluded from the
>>umbrella of "Indian culture". 

>   For we are talking about Indian culture. And secondly, who are those
>   who were assimilated in the Indian Fabric? If they were really assimilated
>   then why were they so Anti-Indian, destroying existing cultural landmarks,
>   humiliating Indians by tooth and nail?  Those who were assimilated were
>   Jews, Parsis and Invading groups like Hunas, Shakas ( those who didnot 
>   like to return back). What do we talk about the Cancers which neither 
>   could live or get absorbed into the National stream?  And defenitely not
>   Muslims. 

>>
>>Also wondering why events that occured before the advent of Islam or 
>>Christianity must be favored over the influences of the last two thousand
>>years in deciding what is Indian. 

>   If influences of last 2000 thousand years were to be forgotten, we lose 
>   some of our valuable heritage, starting from Sathavahanas, Sungas, 
>   philosophies like Dwaita, Advaita, Vishita Advaita, saints like
>   Shankara, Ramanuja, Chaitanya, 10 Gurus of Sikhism, to Ramakrishna, 
>   Aurobindo, Vivekanada, Dayananda   and Galaxy of other Visionaries.
>   Atleast the BJP is not having any intentions to forget these, rather it is 
>   the other way round. They are trying to provide more insight into  these
>   Aspects.

>   These Historical, Political, Cultural, Religious, Social impacts cannot
>   be Overlooked. That is what the Present modifications in Education system 
>   are intending to do, to give a Proper view of OUR culture. 

>   ( If there were PARASITES, then the parasites and their effect needs to 
>     be removed. We cannot CLING BACK TO THESE PARASITES AND SAY, THEY HAVE 
>    ASSIMILATED WITH OUR BLOOD...  :-)

>   When we talk about  our culture, we talk about Indian Culture ONLY. Other 
>   events of Invasions on India do not represent our culture and our faiths.
>   They are events to Undermine this Society and its Heritage.  And these 
>   should be Acknowledged that way.
> 
>   As a matter of fact, these influences should also be studied with a 
>   Nationalistic view and Approach to truth. 

>>kannan

>  culture and our faith" ?  India - let's face it is a multi-cultural
   society - every group (ethnic or otherwise) in India (whether they
   came in peace or in search of treasure or simply to plunder have in the
   end if they stayed become a part of the Indian mosaic aand culture.
   We should be proud that such diversity is present, is flourishing
   and has lasted this long. Our approach to truth must be with truth
   not just in theory (grandiose views of an Indian culture that's 
	outside of reality) but in actual practice (recognizing that a 
  lot has gone into making us what we are.

.


~q










>-Indu.
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|  The views expressed above are on my personal basis.                 |
>|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
>|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RSS ( Culture & Heritage )

indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM writes:

>To: kannan@lamar.ColoState.EDU
>Subject: Re: RSS ( MP Government's Silent revolution in Education)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian

>In article <Sep06.041250.22719@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> you write:
>>In article <1992Sep5.170704@IASTATE.EDU> porayath@IASTATE.EDU (Rajiv Porayath) writes:
>>
>>>        Unless we agree on the word cultural aspects of Indian civilization
>>>this discussion will not yield any conclusion.What I gather from the cultural
>>>aspects of Indian civilization means the culture of Indian society dating back
>>>to BC before the advent of either islam or christanity.This goes back to the
>>>vedas,gita,ram,Krishna,buddha ,mahavir,ashoka etc.All of which originated in
>>>India and flourished here.I do not include the culture that developed elsewhere
>>>and made its way to India.
>>
>>I'm curious to know why "culture" that originated outside current Indian 
>>borders and got assimilated into the Indian fabric must be excluded from the
>>umbrella of "Indian culture". 

>   For we are talking about Indian culture. And secondly, who are those
>   who were assimilated in the Indian Fabric? If they were really assimilated
>   then why were they so Anti-Indian, destroying existing cultural landmarks,
>   humiliating Indians by tooth and nail?  Those who were assimilated were
>   Jews, Parsis and Invading groups like Hunas, Shakas ( those who didnot 
>   like to return back). What do we talk about the Cancers which neither 
>   could live or get absorbed into the National stream?  And defenitely not
>   Muslims. 

>>
>>Also wondering why events that occured before the advent of Islam or 
>>Christianity must be favored over the influences of the last two thousand
>>years in deciding what is Indian. 

>   If influences of last 2000 thousand years were to be forgotten, we lose 
>   some of our valuable heritage, starting from Sathavahanas, Sungas, 
>   philosophies like Dwaita, Advaita, Vishita Advaita, saints like
>   Shankara, Ramanuja, Chaitanya, 10 Gurus of Sikhism, to Ramakrishna, 
>   Aurobindo, Vivekanada, Dayananda   and Galaxy of other Visionaries.
>   Atleast the BJP is not having any intentions to forget these, rather it is 
>   the other way round. They are trying to provide more insight into  these
>   Aspects.

>   These Historical, Political, Cultural, Religious, Social impacts cannot
>   be Overlooked. That is what the Present modifications in Education system 
>   are intending to do, to give a Proper view of OUR culture. 

>   ( If there were PARASITES, then the parasites and their effect needs to 
>     be removed. We cannot CLING BACK TO THESE PARASITES AND SAY, THEY HAVE 
>    ASSIMILATED WITH OUR BLOOD...  :-)

>   When we talk about  our culture, we talk about Indian Culture ONLY. Other 
>   events of Invasions on India do not represent our culture and our faiths.
>   They are events to Undermine this Society and its Heritage.  And these 
>   should be Acknowledged that way.
> 
>   As a matter of fact, these influences should also be studied with a 
>   Nationalistic view and Approach to truth. 

>>kannan


>-Indu.
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|  The views expressed above are on my personal basis.                 |
>|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
>|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+