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From: dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: New Pittsburgh Airport
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:59:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <1992Oct6.234542.22839@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>Has anybody gone through the new Pittsburgh airport (one of USAir's
>hubs)?  What is it like?  Does it live up to USAir's hype?
>

I flew through there on October 3, which I guess was the third day the
new airport was open. It is a definite improvement to the old airport,
but I guess it would have been hard for it not to be an
improvement....

   There are skylights almost everywhere, so there is a very light and
airy feel to the place. There was still alot of construction in terms
of the "mall" that is going in there, but many places were already
open. It is nice to see that the restaurants are located down the spokes
of the "Y" instead of just at the hub; of course choices besides
McDonalds and Sbarro would have been nice....it does look like there
will be some alternatives once the construction is finished, though.

   Monitors with flight information are well spaced throughout; I
had a gate change for my connecting flight, and it was very clear as
soon as I looked at a monitor. Each gate is also cleared marked with
at least one (I noticed some with two) tv monitor with big, bold
letters giving the destination, time and gate.

   Well done. I for one had a good time in my hour there! (-:

Dave




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From: aditya@iedv7.acd.com ( Aditya Khatuka (ICTT) )
Subject: Travelling to India - Help wanted
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:47:12 GMT

Hello,

I am planning to travel to India sometime during last week of November for 6 
weeks. I would appreciate if someone could recommend some good travel agent 
where I can get good deals on ticket prices and/or other airline offers, 
suggestions on dos and don'ts etc. that could help me in my travel planning.


Thanks for your help

Aditya

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From: kristian@dwayne (Kristian Simsarian)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Is Continental's freq. flier program a sham?
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:48:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Oct14.214821.5971
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago



	Same here.  I have tried signing up for OnePass 3 or 4 times,
never heard anything from them...



Kristian
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From: cofer@utkvx.utk.edu (John L. Cofer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USAir on strike
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:43:54 GMT
Organization: U.T. Computer Center

In article <1992Oct7.145206.8658@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> wonhee@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Wonhee Sull) writes:

>I plan to go to Washington D.C. from Indy next weekend on USAir,
>and I heard USAir is on strike.
>I am wondering whether I have to switch to another carrier, or
>the strike won't affect any flight schedule.
>Any suggestion will be appreciated.
>Wonhee

I have a flight scheduled for this Saturday, and USAir told me that they 
will confirm the status of flights a day or two in advance.  If they cancel 
your flight, they should try to get you on another carrier.

John
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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Southwest -- catch?
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:52:17 GMT

I'm considering booking a flight on Southwest Airlines from Los Angeles
(LAX) to Phoenix (LAX) for an overnight trip while I'm on the west coast
last week.

So I called up some airlines to get some prices. All of them said the
same thing. $108 round trip, no advance purchase. Southwest has flights
every hour on this route.

So what's the catch? They don't fly airplanes I would be scared to get
into (All 737 fleet). I wouldn't expect they're a high-frills airline
(but what are frills on a slightly-over 1 hour flight?) Do I have to
hang on the wing? 

OK, call me naive. I'm currently living in the Northeast where even to
get on a flight down to New York (1 hour in duration) I have to shell
out $130 each way, and that's a *youth fare* (non-youth fares are $130
each way!) with no advance purchase.

Any comments or advice would be appreciated.

--Helen
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From: twilson@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Wilson)
Subject: Re: El Al Disaster
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:05:12 GMT

Actually, Canadian in its previous manifestation as Canadian Pacific
flew 747s (don't know which type) some years ago, and dumped them for
the DC-10.

Tom

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From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Southwest -- catch?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:45:48 GMT

Chris J. Davis writes:
>I wrote:
>>Southwest prides itself in the "10 minute turnaround"...  having the plane
>>on the ground for only 10 minutes.  It's quite amazing how they do it, but
>>believe it or not it does work most of the time.
>
>Actually it's a 15 minute turnaround...  

  Well, it was originally designed to be a 10 minute turnaround, but they
have been lengthened lately, some are now even up to 25 minutes long.

  The origination of the 10 minute turnaround was when Southwest served 
only 3 cities in Texas : Dallas, Houston, and Austin.  They originally
operated hourly (I believe) service with four aircraft.  Then they sold
one plane (at a profit !) and to maintain the level of service had to 
turn the aircraft around in 10 minutes.

Greg
 

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: EXTRA CHARGE FOR CHARGING TO A CREDIT CARD
Keywords: extra charge
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:54:39 GMT

madabusv@cse.fau.edu (Vasudhevan Madabushi) wrote: 
->I don't know if this is a FAQ.  Nevertheless I would be glad if someone
->can clarify on this matter.  I am planning on a trip to India this 
->december and to my surprise I have found that invariably every travel
->agent charges an additional 3-4% on the air fare if I were to charge the
->ticket on a charge/credit card.  Is this a general practice or being
->done illegally by the agents without the approval of the respective 
->credit card companies?

it sounds to me like you're using deepest discount travel agencies or
consolidators ... margins on consolidator tickets don't permit the
accommodation of absorbing the credit card transaction fee by the
merchant.

if you want to use your credit card w/o additional fees you probably
need to use traditional travel agents, which may not get you the
deepest discount fares.

->I would also be grateful if someone can give their opinion about Malaysian
->Airlines and their service.  I have a halt of 9hrs at Kuala Lampur and would
->like to know about the formalities of getting a transit visa.

you should not rely on advice from the net about this; call the
malaysian tourist office/consulate and ask the horse's mouth ...

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From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: Boeing aircraft suffixes (was:  El Al Disaster)
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:33:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.225714.17450@cc.gatech.edu> pas@marietta.cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:
>2. What is the reason behind these different suffixes?  Is there anything
>   fundamentally different between a 747-221 and a 747-222?

Sure.  If they go to a different airline, they can have a different base 
internal color scheme, radically different cockpits, different lavatory/
galley configuration, different sound/movie systems, accessories, etc., 
etc...



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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: El Al Disaster
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:55:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: rocza.HROSE.92Oct8125545
	<1avpilINNrft@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
	<1992Oct8.120136.9908@ohare.Chicago.COM>
	<1992Oct8.164520.763@EE.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.

[...]

 -> |> The numbers 
 -> |> come from the latest (1992) JP and include planned deliveries through
 -> |> this month.
 -> |> 

 -> 	Could someone tell me what "JP" stands for. Thanx.

 -> --Mujtaba

JP is "JP Airline Fleets International" an annual publication of who
(not just big airlines, they include governments too) owns what planes
(including models, if they're bought, leased, etc, how many of each
type, and the name, if any).

If enough people are interested, I'll dig up the information on where
they can be purchased from. 

--Helen
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 22:09:23 EDT
From: Naushad Hussain <IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: El Al Disaster
 <1avpilINNrft@bigboote.WPI.EDU>

List of Airlines that still fly the 747-200's:
Alitalia
Air India
Air France
Northwest
United
British Airways
Qantas
Thai
Cathay Pacific
PIA
Swiss Air?
Japan Air
ANA
Korean
Varig
Egypt Air
Olympic Air
American???
Virgin Atlantic
and I am sure that there are a whole bunch of other airlines that use
this model.  It should also be noted that it is the most common of all
747 models.
-Naushad Hussain
io11076@maine.maine.edu
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 02:04:00 CET
From: <KCHAN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Southwest -- catch?
 <1992Oct13.051554.20401@wuecl.wustl.edu>
 <1992Oct13.165406.6270@airdata.socal.com>

And they taxi twice as fast as other airlines (from about one hour of
observations at LAS)!! On one flight, the captain got out of the aircraft
to adjust the height of the jetway while waiting for the passengers to
board - the jetway was already positioned over the aircraft opened door but
obviously he must have felt that the height was not right!

On the downside, the flights between BUR and LAS seem like the aviation
equivalent of taking a fully-loaded school-bus.

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From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: Amsterdam (was Re: ILS? MLS?)
Followup-To: sci.aeronautics
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:47:50 GMT

In article <92282.112144RFRANCIS@ESTEC.BITNET> C R Francis <RFRANCIS@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
>>
>One of the chief virtues of MLS has always been the flexibility in approach.
>It is perhaps invidious to mention it, but the recent Amsterdam crash
>vividly illustrates this.  I should add that I feel this affair rather
>deeply...I live less than 50km from Bijlmermeer, in about the same position on
>the other side of Schipol.  Approaching planes are constantly flying low
>over my house, but fortunately not last Sunday...
>
>As in many places this (and some other) straight-in approach to Schipol is
>over high density housing.  The ILS glidepath starts 9 miles out by the way.
>The option of flying a curved approach can enable, in many cases, a lower-
>risk route to be found.

But there are two other variables:

1.  A curved approach implies a nonstable configuration.  For hand-flown 
approaches, this places a burden on pilot skill, and could tend to 
lower safety levels.  

2.  Combined with this, researchers have apparently had a very hard time
designing a good, flexible MLS *interface*, which can provide accurate
flight-path guidance.  Apparently, convention flight directors don't cut it.

So, again, we're faced with a cost issue.  There are lots of *options*,
but no single one stands out.  But the *concept* is so flexible, that
there's faith that a good solution *is* out there, so why invest in unstable
"current" technology?

And a third variable, already in effect with ILS, is that as airspace
congestion increase, you just KNOW that the authorities are going to pack
them in closer together.  Pilot skill, again, manual or supervisory, as
well as controller errors, will become much more significant.  



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From: gkn@ucsd.edu (Gerard K. Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Q: upgrade on AA for honeymoon flight
Summary: You can try stickers
Keywords: AA Stickers
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:32:12 GMT
Organization: TGV, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

In article <2588@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> san@mpd.tandem.com (Steve Sanderson) writes:
>
>We have booked a round trip coach class tickets (on American Airlines),
>but we dream of upgrading to first class, unfortunately neither one of us
>has enough AA frequent flyer miles to do this, though I am ~2300 miles short.
>
>In the past, I have heard tales of newlyweds being upgraded to first class
>(on their honeymoon) as a gift from the airline.  Today, though, with the
>austerity measures - I have my doubts whether this'll occur.

So do I.  But, you can try this:  You can purchase stickers whcih, on a space
available basis, will allow upgrades to 1st.  I presume you're not AA GOld
or Platinum, so the stickers usually only work on full coach (at the
discretion of the gate agent) fares.  You can attempt to reserve a seat 2
hours in advance.  The stickers are available at ticket counters, city
ticket offices, and Admiral's Clubs.

For AA Gold/Platinum flyers there's a different set of rules.

Best of luck,



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From: reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Flight to Cuba from USA
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:03:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: darlo

Hi,
I would like to go to Cuba/Havana from the US but with relations
being what they are I am not sure if you can go.  perhaps from
Miami or do I need to fly out of US.  Has any Yank flown to Cuba.
Know about bringing US dollars into Cuba (I beleive there is no
exchange here).  There is no Cuban consulate here either so i have
no idea where and if I can get a proper visa.

Cheers,
reno
From: singletn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (Jeff Singleton)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Camcorders aboard ??????
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:55:13 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center - Hampton, VA USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: b648mac11.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Oct14.160832.19991@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, Al Mark
<amark@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> 
> In article <mac1.718840403@Ra.MsState.Edu> Mubashir Cheema,
> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu writes:
> >
> >		I am travelling from Starkville, Mississipi to Paris 
> > changing flight at Nashville, TN. My question is will they let me take
> > my camcorder on board. I have heard they don't let you take anything
> with
> > batteries in it on board. Any info will be appreciated.
> > If you have to post please mail me a copy.
> 


  I just took my camcorder to Antigua (a honeymoon trip) and I would
  suggest that you take it on as carry-on luggage.  Leave the batteries
  and a tape in it and request that it be hand searched.  Airport
  security will ask you to demonstrate that it works, so don't pack
  it too well.  I have a feeling that x-rays and the large magnetic
  fields associated with the screening devices are very bad for the
  computer chips which control the camera.

     cheers,

    jeff singleton
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flat Tire rule?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:46:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct8.194651.6648
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <9210061134.aa26490@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> davida@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (David Andersen) writes:
>
>We've all heard about (and used) the Flat Tire rule which says that
>if you're late for a flight, the airline will typically put you
>on the next available flight (standby, of course) to your destination.

Saying goodbye to the people at Motorola and NU made me and my parents
late to our AA flight from ORD-LGA on Tuesday.  It was leaving at 1pm
and I dropped off my parents at gate 3E at 12:40pm...but I still had to
drop the car off at Hertz.  So I told my parents to get us 3 seats on the
next flight to LGA, which was at 1:30pm...it wasnt packed and AA
didnt charge us....

As I said before, it depends all on the person behind the counter.
There doesnt seem to be any hard and fast rules about it.

--Ken
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From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Re: Q: upgrade on AA for honeymoon flight
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:22:08 GMT

In article <2588@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> san@mpd.tandem.com (Steve  
Sanderson) writes:
> In the past, I have heard tales of newlyweds being upgraded to first
> class (on their honeymoon) as a gift from the airline.  Today, though,
> with the austerity measures - I have my doubts whether this'll occur.
> 
> So, I wanted to ask the nets combined knowledge for ideas on how we
> could upgrade to first class for our honeymoon.

I have seen time and again newlyweds getting free champagne, upgrades to  
First, etc etc. On a recent flight on USAir, a newlywed couple and a  
relative were moved to First and given champagne. The rest of us in First  
were given the booze also. Kind of nice.

I would assume that all you have to do is ask at check-in if they can move  
you to First. They certainly won't do it on a confirmed-basis.
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From: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Is Continental's freq. flier program a sham?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:44:51 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov (David W. Sleight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cquad4.larc.nasa.gov

Those of you who belong to Continental's One Pass program - Did you
sign up for the basic One Pass program which is free or did you
sign up for the executive pack ($49.95) or elite pack ($99.95) ?

With the exec pack you get :  5000 bonus miles
							  4 ticket upgrades
							  $99 companion ticket
							  1 free Airfone call
							  + other offers

With the elite pack you get : 7500 bonus miles
							  4 ticket upgrades (maybe more)
							  $99 companion ticket
							  2 free Airfone calls
  				              + other offers

I was thinking of signing up for the exec pack just to get the ticket
upgrades and the $99 companion ticket. Can I use my AMEX travel voucher
and the $99 companion ticket at the same time or do I have to purchase
a regularly priced (no discounts) ticket ?

David

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*      *                 *          |      U. of Illinois '91
*      *     of         *          |      Aero/Astro Engineering
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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: "Window" seats (was Re: Aircraft
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:07:01 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany

ajcueva@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Al Cuevas) writes:

The new 747-400 has, due to construction, a couple of window seats
without a window. If you know these rows for a specific airline, then
you can avoid this. That's the good point. The bad thing is, that there
are some airlines, as Singapore Airlines, around with different cabin
layouts...

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: El Al Disaster
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:01:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Oct9.210124.18578
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

There has been postings lately on the 747-x00's.

I believe I read a report some time last year, or the year before,
that Boeing was (is) now only producing and selling the -400 series,
There are no more -200's or -300's passenger 747s. 

I believe that is true at least for the passenger and combi version.
I don't think there is -300's freighters but they might still be 
producing -200F's.    

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From: aap@cs.brown.edu (Andrea A. Pietracaprina)
Subject: El Al disaster
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:07:03 GMT

This morning New York Times says that the plane actually lost
only one engine. Does anybody know more about it, and about
the causes of the crash? They also said that a different shorter
approach might have avoided it.

-andrea

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From: gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gerald Fountain)
Subject: Looking for Chicago Area Discounter (commision rebate)
Summary: Ones that refund part of the commision
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:52:55 GMT

I am looking for a Chicago area (or workable alternative) for a agency that
will rebate part of the commision for a ticket.  I have already made all the
reservations via the airline.  I heard that there are *some* agencies that
will "refund" a portion of the commision if you have already done the legwork
and simply want the ticket.

Any leads, phone numbers, etc would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
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