From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Anti-religious fanatics (Was Re: School Choice )
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.130051.2455@dg-rtp.dg.com> gross@eric10.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.205043.28773@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.124245.14530@dg-rtp.dg.com> gross@eric10.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) writes:
>>>>The deaths by neglect are atleast 10's of millions (maybe someone could
>>>>explain the role of the church in the medival plagues). This may climb
>>>>to 100 million in the next 10 years since Christianity has fought all
>>>>attempts to cure or control HIV transmission.
>>>
>>>What proof have you to offer that "Christianity has fought all attempts
>>>to cure or control HIV transmission"?  As nearly as I can tell from
>>>research that I've done for the past two years, the CDC and the Gay and
>>>AIDS Lobbies have done more harm than any other group or organization
>>>put together.
>>
>>People like to say this, however they ignore the fact that Gay groups
>>with no government assistance (Helms Admendment) have managed to slow
>>the spread of AIDS among homosexuals, while it continues to rise in
>>virtually all other segments of the population.
>
>The drop in HIV cases among homosexual males has more to do with the
>fact that the population is dying off than a change in behavior
>patterns.  Several homosexual authors (whose names escape me at the
>moment but I will look them up) also have taken the Gay and AIDS Lobbies
>to task over this same issue.  Further, they point out that when the
>public bathhouses were finally closed, the homosexual community turned
>right around and opened private bathhouses continuing a major source of
>transmission.
>
>The Gay Lobby has incredible funding from within its own community and
>from those who are sympathetic to their cause.  I know for a fact that
>the former mayor of Durham, NC, provided funding as did the State
>legislature to the Gay cause.
>
>Much of the rise in other parts of the population at large has to do
>with other variables.  Chief among them is Blood transfusions.  We still
>do not have a safe blood supply.  Saying that a person only has a risk
>of 1 in 250 chances of contracting HIV from a blood transfusion is
>ludicrous at best.  There should be no chance of contracting HIV through
>a blood transfusion.
>
>>>Clearly the only answer to HIV transmission is to use standard medical
>>>practices that have been used with all communicable diseases, and have
>>>been proven effective in controlling the spread of communicable
>>>diseases.  HIV is the only communicable disease which has civil rights
>>>status and political status.  Why!?  Syphilis doesn't; gonorreha
>>>doesn't; TB doesn't; hepatitis doesn't; etc., for roughly several
>>>hundred.  
>>
>>For example? What "special rights" do AIDS patients have that these
>>others don't? 
>
>The right to refuse to be tested.  The right to have medical insurance
>when they know that they are infected -- the insurance companies are not
>allowed to know the HIV status of those seeking insurance coverage.
>However, insurance companies are permitted to know if you have, or have
>had, any of the other communicable diseases.
>
>You do not have the right to know if your medical or dental provider has
>HIV, or if any of the staff that will be working with you has HIV.  Nor
>do they have the right to know if you have HIV.  However, routine
>testing is done to determine your status for any number of other
>communicable diseases -- VDRL, check it out the next time your committed
>to the hospital.
>
>HIV will transmit through blood splashes on skin, and this has happened
>more than once.  I can transmit through needle sticks, again, this has
>happened more than once.  There is now evidence that the HIV virus can
>be aerosolized through certain surgical procedures and the coughing
>done by AIDS patients.  The research was done by qualified medical
>researchers in California using their own funds because the CDC refused
>to fund it (their comment was, "It simply can't be transmitted that way
>or we are all in serious trouble.")
>
>We now know that the HIV retrovirus is not nearly as fragile as once
>stated.  It can survive in dry conditions outside the body for at least
>seven days and still be highly infectious.  It can survive longer under
>wet conditions.  And buried among some of the CDC's original work is the
>little tidbit that the HIV retrovirus can survive and be infectious up
>to 48 hours later inside a mosquitoe!!
>
>This is not scare tactics, and I'm not saying that we will get it from
>mosquitoes (something for which there is not research -- CDC cut off
>funding shortly after discovering that the virus could remain alive
>inside the bug).  The fact remains that this is a disease with political
>and legal clout.
>
>Routine testing and contact tracing works, and we know this because it
>has been used time and again to stem the outbreaks of other infectious
>and communicable diseases.  The evidence is in the Public Health
>records, if you would care to take a look.  If not, then merely doubting
>it only buries your head deeper in the sand.
>
>HIV is, as far as we know now, 100 percent lethal.  As the T4 helper
>cells are taken over, and the immune system compromised, more and more
>opportunistic diseases overwhelm the infected person's immune system.
>Eventually, all major organs come under attack, this includes the brain.
>Some evidence now exists that the brain may be one of the earliest
>organs affected by the HIV virus.  I'm still working on gathering that
>information.
>
>The point is this, since I am a Christian, and I am working my buns off
>trying to help find a means to control this bugger, what proof positive
>is there that Christians are responsible for the lack of effort and the
>spread of this fatal disease.  Sounds like Nero's charges that we set
>Rome ablaze!
>
>Fact is that I'm not the only Christian thus involved.  There are those
>on the front lines working with and helping AIDS patients, working in
>labs around the world to try to find a cure (or at least some means of
>prolonging life).  And then there are others like me, a writer, who are
>researching this disease and the available information so that we can
>present it to the public.  At ever turn I have bumped into those who do
>not want some of the information released.  Invariably they are part of
>the Gay Lobby, the AIDS Lobby, the ACLU, or the CDC.  The party line is
>we need education and condoms with virucides.  Sorry, but this tact has
>not proven effective in the least.  Next!!
>
>Regards,
>
>Gene 

	So what should we do in the meantime? Discriminate against
people with AIDS?

				J. Wagner


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