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From: mwnorman@bnr.ca (Michael Norman)
Subject:  Puppies for sale
Keywords: puppies, standard poodles
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:50:44 GMT

We have pure-bred black standard poodles puppies for sale.  
Both show-quality and pet-quality puppies are available. 
Poodles make great pets, are easy with kids and people
who usually suffer from allegies don't have problems with 
poodles (poodle fur is different from most dogs' hair).

Serious inquires only,
      Jim and Eileen Norman
      Hamlex Kennels
      R. R. #6 Smiths Falls, Ontario
      (613) 283-5677

(My parents are members of the Canadian Kennel Club, the Ottawa
Kennel Club, the Ottawa Valley Poodle Club and have been breeding
dogs for 15 years).
------------
Mike Norman,c/o Bell-Northern Research 
P.O. Box 3511 Station 'C' Ottawa 
Ontario Canada K1Y 4H7 M/S 115      Internet: mwnorman@bnr.ca
tel: (613) 763-7717 (FAX:613-763-7742) 
"Hasta la vista, Baby!" A. Schwarzenegger
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
Subject: Free Magazines and REDUCED PRICE on Futon
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:47:45 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

I have 6 years complete of Stereo Review to give away - no missing
issues - July 87 to Aug 92 - FREE - and a repost - reduced 33%


Well, Santa Claus is bringing me a new couch today and I've got to
get rid of this lounger.  It's had very little use and is in very good
condition.  When it's up, it looks like ______/;  down like ________
					|    |              |      |
except the ascii feet are shorter than the diagram.  It's
44" wide, 66" long up, 76" long down.  The cover sort-of a large pattern
brown/white/waterscape.  It's perfect for two to sit and watch the fire
(or TV) and great for one adult to sleep on.  The frame is solid maple
with a clear varnish.  Cost new ~$400.  Yours for only $150 if you get it.

Please phone me at home - 690-1834 or work 672-2100 for more info.

Nigel
--
"It is an infantile superstition of the human spirit that virginity would be
thought a virtue and not the barrier that separates ignorance from knowledge"                                                                       Voltaire
Nigel Burnett:  business: 3030 Orlando Dr., Mississauga, Ont.,  416-672-2100
Send e-mail to nigel@isgtec.com, uunet.ca!isgtec!nigel, or nigel@isgtec.UUCP
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: car for sale
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Distribution: tor
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:33:59 GMT


       1987 Hyundai Pony CX for sale

   1.6L engine with 5 speed transmission.
   Sunroof and 4 speaker AM/FM cassette.

   135,000 km - service record available.

   Certified, asking $1300 or best offer.

   Call 287-9396 evenings
     or 979-5000 ext 7091 days.

Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (CS4CB3)
Subject: House in Brampton for Sale
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:54:57 GMT


Please direct all enquiries by phone to (416) 846-4802 and ask for Roy.
Email can be sent to 9008474@sscvax.cis.mcmaster.ca where you can also
leave a contact telephone number.


        P R I V A T E   S A L E  --- D E T A C H E D  H O U S E


SUMMARY:
HOUSE: Executive type four bedrooms 2500 sq. ft detached house with
       central air, vac, alarm system. Cathedral ceilinag and skylight.
       Lots of upgrades

LOCATION: Brampton, 30 minutes drive to Toronto Downtown.
PRICE:    C$269,000     <PRIVATE SALE>
CALL:     (416) 846-4802   ROY

                 **********************
DETAILS
=======

	Located at an established neighbourhood of executive homes
at a quite court close to all amenities: school, parks, shopping
and bus route.  Mature area of Brampton with the emphasis on green area.

EXTERIOR
* Exectuive two story all bricks detached home over 2500 sq. ft
* Two car garage with extra long ( 6 cars ) double width paved driveway
* Fully fenced yard with walk out to elevated deck
* In ground sprinkler system
* Interlocking walkway with garden lights

INTERIOR
* Leaded glass double door entry to spacious foyer
* Beautiful plush broadloom hilights this spacious dwelling
* Sunken formal living room with floor to cathedral ceiling and skylight
* French door entry to the formal dinning room with cornice moulding
* Modern kitchen with sunshine ceiling
* Beautiful upgraded cabinets with plenty of extra cupboard space
* Upgraded ceremic flooring with rear yard walk out
* Good quality built-in appliances and garborator
* Oak railing staircase leads to four family size bedrooms
* Upper hall has extra space for use as a den, sewing area,etc
* Master bedroom has large bathroom with 5 pcs. ensuite
* Plenty of closets space throughout plus walk-in master closet
* Plus these extra
	* central air conditioner		* central vac. system
	* digital AM/FM built-in stereo		* security system
	* garage door opener			* kitchen ceiling fan
	* rear (outside) motion detector	* built-in dishwasher
 	* built-in oven and cooktop		* washer and dryer

Price: C$269,000.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THIS "PRIVATE SALE", CALL  (416) 846-4802 ROY

Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: jboritz@alias.com (Jim Boritz)
Subject: Mac Classic 4/40
Organization: Alias Research Inc., Toronto ON Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:07:27 GMT


It's upgrade time so I need to sell my current computer.  Vital stats are:

Macintosh Classic
- 4 megabytes RAM
- 40 Meg hard drive
- system 6.07
- Hypercard 2.0
- all the manuals

The machine is just over a year old. I have all the original packaging.

Asking price is $950.

No PST, No GST, No Waiting.

Phone: 	362-8558 x277 (days)
	638-3335      (evenings)
--
Jim Boritz					Alias Research Inc.
jboritz@alias.com
- You wouldn't buy your food from your dentist because he knows
  the most about chewing.  -- a recent Borland Ad
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: velhart@epas.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Velharticky)
Subject: Alpha Juno-2 synthesizer and KB-300 amplifier for sale
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: tor
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:30:03 GMT
Followup-To: velhart@epas.utoronto.ca
Keywords: synthesizer, amplifier

FOR SALE:

	Roland Alpha Juno-2 synthesizer ------------------  $500

		Digital/analog hybrid synth (DCO/VCO/VCA)
		5 octaves (61 keys)
		6-voice polyphonic
		Velocity and aftertouch sensitivity
		Polyphonic portamento
		Chord memory
		128 internal sounds + 64 more on data sheets
		Case included
		


	Peavey KB-300 keyboard amplifier ------------------  $450

		130 watts
		3-channel
		3-band EQ
		Reverb built-in
		1 effects send
		With soft cover and attached wheels


Both are in mint condition, and they were never used on the road.
I am selling them because I am a starving graduate student in philosophy.


Please send all replies directly to velhart@epas.utoronto.ca or call 922-1309.

--
				|	"Not only do I deny the allegation,
Nick Velharticky		|	 but I also deny the allegator."
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: goss@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Timothy D. Goss)
Subject: MOTHERBOARD FOR SALE
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:38:54 GMT

DAVE@REVCAN if you are out there, the mail I sent to you bounced and I can't
remember your complete address.  If you are still interested in the 386SX
motherboard then give me a call.  My friend is on vacation but she left the
board with me.  She will be back on sunday, you can wait for her or get it
from me.  Thanks
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: tap@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Plate)
Subject: Sofa and armchair for sale
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: tor
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:50:41 GMT

3 seater sofa and arm chair for sale. "Danish modern" style.
Teak frame, removable cushions.
Good condition.
$250 negotiable.  Delivery negotiable.

Call 533-8696 or mail tap@ai.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: uw.forsale,ont.forsale,kw.forsale
From: hqle@daisy.uwaterloo.ca (Ha Quang Le)
Subject: afghan
Originator: root@daisy.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:20:20 GMT


 - Item for sale: an afghan
 - Size: 6x4.5 ft
 - Description: granny square, washable, colour: rose, offwhite, and
                bluegrey
 - Condition: brand new.
 - Ask for: $70.00
 Ha Le

PS: I post this for a friend of mine. Anybody, who is interested in
    this afghan, please contact Lloyd Steffler at (519) 884 2506
    Thanks.
 

Newsgroups: ont.forsale,misc.forsale
From: dglow@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dave Low)
Subject: Apartment for Rent - Waterloo - 275/Month!!!
Originator: dglow@napier.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:55:09 GMT

 I have an apartment for rent... Close to both UW and WLU......
IT comes with the norm interior with full kitchen laundry
Available for Sept erm and possibly Winter..... And as a bonus
you get a free roommate with the deal 

				Dave Low
Mail me for more information
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: fche@db.toronto.edu ("Frank Ch. Eigler")
Subject: WANTED: color monitor & video card for PC/XT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: tor
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:12:11 GMT

Hi -

A local kindergarten is buying a cheap old PC/XT
machine to let the kids learn using computers.
They are looking for a cheap, possibly used,
color monitor and video card (CGA or better).

If you have such a pair for sale or know where I
may find this kind of thing, please tell me in
e-mail.

Thank you very much!
-- 

-- Frank Ch. Eigler -- Comp Eng -- <eigler@ecf.toronto.edu> --
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,tor.general
From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Subject: Re: need sleeping bag
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:39:45 GMT

In article <BsuEJn.HvM@ecf.toronto.edu> chinc@ecf.toronto.edu (CHIN CHIEN TING) writes:
>Hi, could someone recommend a place to buy sleeping bag in the <$40 
>price range? I am going on a rafting trip, and I have no camping
>equipments at all, the least I must get is a sleeping bag. How about
>other camping equipments? 
>I am mainly interested in stores near downtown Toronto, or within TTC
>territory.

A $40 sleeping bag will probably be best found at any Canadian Tire or
Consumers Distributing.  Check your phonebook for locations nearest you.
There's a big Canadian Tire on Yonge and Davenport just north of Bloor.
You could probably get a half-decent 3-lb polyfill bag for around $40
there, or maybe a Woolco, but Canadian Tire will probably be better.
If you don't mind used stuff, try the army surplus store at Yonge and 
Gerrard or the one at Queen and Jarvis.  You might be able to get them
cheap there.

-- Zeke.
From: vid@zooid.guild.org (David Mason)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
Subject: ESDI hard disks for sale
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:56:55 GMT

Hi, 

I'm selling two 5.25" full height ESDI hard disks. They are an IBM 314MB model
and a Wren Imprimis 160MB drive. The drives are 20ms or less. I'm also
including a new Western Digital 1007V-SE2 2 floppy/2 hard disk controller. The
1007V can be used as a secondary controller for a total of four drives and it
supports a 64k look ahead cache and error remapping.  

I would like to sell everything as a package. I'm looking for $900 or best
offer. 

Both drives are in excellant working order and are not noisy.

I would like to sell in the Toronto area. I'm located at Lawrence and Yonge,
and I can be reached at 322-3606.

Thanks!
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
Subject: Sarah McLachlan ticket for sale
From: moynes_r@qis.dofasco.ca
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:42:39 GMT
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: moynes_r

I have an extra ticket for Sarah McLachlan Thursday Aug. 20, 7:30 PM at Molson
Place, Harbourfront.  Location is center section, row A, seat 46.  Please email
if you are interested.

Richard Moynes
moynes_r@qis.dofasco.ca

Xref: sparky ont.forsale:842 ont.general:1534
From: gerritse@king.dist7040.rotary.org (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,kingston.forsale,ont.general
Subject: Boat for Sale
Keywords: Excellent Condition:
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:55:13 GMT
Reply-To: king!gerritse@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: ont
Organization: Kingston Rotary System, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078

1988 THUNDERCRAFT MAGNUM 290 -- Twin 205 Mercruisers, 360 hrs
30'5 10' beam fully equipped including set up for downriggers, 
accessories incl., mint condition., asking $70,000 
Trading up.
If interested please either call 613-384-0162, Fax -613-389-4597
or send E-Mail.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Terry A. Gerritsen          (Rotary Club of Kingston)
Kingston, ON
(613)546-3078               ( Look beyond yourself )
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos)
Subject: USED terminals and printers for sale (Toronto)
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:06:09 GMT

Hi,

My brother has the following USED terminals and printers for sale. If
interested, please **telephone** JOHN Kirikos at 416-537-1756 to
arrange a viewing or to discuss pricing. He is negotiable. DO NOT SEND
ME E-MAIL regarding the stuff, as I'll be on vacation.

Printers:
========
- Data Printer Corp 8121 Serial Line Printers <2>
- COPE 1030 printer/typewriter
- Diablo 1641 printer/typewriter
- printer paper
- 3 daisywheels

Terminals:
=========
- Tektronix 4013 (on stand)
- Intecolor Desk Top computer (Intelligent Systems Corp); model 8031A
- Volker Craig VC303A terminals <2>
- Lanpar Lanparscope XT100 terminals <2>
- Lanpar Lanparscope XT100+ terminal
- Applied Digital Datasystems terminal
- Cybernex APL100 terminal
- Plessey Peripheral Systems PT100 terminal
- Digital Decscope VT52AE terminal

Miscellaneous
=============
- Texas Instruments 960 <??>

If interested, TELEPHONE 416-537-1756 and ask for JOHN.
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,tor.general
From: David Mason <vid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Selling ESDI drives in Toronto
Reply-To: David Mason <vid@zooid.guild.org>
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:45:30 GMT


Hi,

I've got two ESDI drives I would like to sell. They are both full height 5.25"
drives, both in good condition and neither of them are noisy. 

One is an IBM 314MB drive, and the other is an Imprimis 160MB drive. I also
have a Western Digital 1007V-SE2 controller which supports two ESDI drives and
two floppies. The controller has a 64k look ahead cache, supports dynamic
error remapping and can be configured as a secondary controller so you can
combine it with your existing drives.

I would like to sell these drives in one of two configurations:

1. Both drives and the controller for $800.

2. The 314MB drive and the controller in exchange for an older controller and
   $575 cash. If you already have an ESDI drive with an older controller, this
   is an inexpensive way to add 300MB to your system.

I'm willing to listen to reasonable offers on these drives. 

Both drives are less than two years old.

Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Ng)
Subject: 5" colour tv for sale
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Distribution: tor
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:43:08 GMT

NEC C6-100C transportable colour TV
- 5" (diagonal) display
- channel dial selector for uhf/vhf
- cable ready
- headphone jack
- degauss button
- controls for tint, brightness, hold, focus, etc.
- comes with AC adapter

$30 or best offer

georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Toddler table/chair recommendations
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:21:11 GMT

In article <92232.095359CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>We are considering buying a small table and chair set for Doug for
>Christmas...
>Chris Himes
 
  Before you spend a lot of money on table and chairs, look around.
  We have three tables and chairs for two tables - for a toddler and
a preschooler.  First came a red solid plastic table with two chairs,
on sale at Toys R' Us for $20.00.  Then I saw a brand name (don't remember
the brand) table with 4 chairs, again plastic, at a consignment shop -
$10.00, used but in good condition.  Then, I inherited a large, low wooden
table when my daughter's day care closed down.  It was basically
a cheap, well-made wooden table with the legs cut down to child size.
  These three tables take a beating from lunches, artwork, and kids standing
on them.  The best is the red solid plastic table.  It has no hollow parts,
is one continuous plastic piece, and is very easy to pick up, throw, (kids
have done this) and, most important of all, hose down.
  The wooden table is the one the kids stand on a lot.  It is wide and great
for coloring on big pieces of paper.  I think 6 little kids probably ate lunch
at it when it used in the school.
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Somewhat wierd Ultrasound Experience
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:28:32 GMT

My ultra-sounds when I was pregnant with my twins was like yours.  For a
while, everything was fine, but then I wouldn't feel well.  It was because
I was laying on my back and my blood flow was being interfered with.  I
would have to interrupt the ultrasound and lay on my side for a while to
keep from fainting.  I didn't want to faint - I would have missed watching
the babies!!!!  (The ultrasounds took a long time 45+ minutes, because they
were watching for potential problems.  The ultrasounds for my singleton
daughters didn't take so long, so I didn't feel bad.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Kids and Pets (Re: Sweet things they do (3 years))
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:35:06 GMT

These stories are so cute I just have to add mine.  We have an Old English
Sheepdog named Daisy.  Erin is quite fond of her and at night has gotten in
the habit of carrying poor Daisy's dog bowls where ever Daisy goes.  The dog
is quite tolerant and always eats just one piece of kibble for Erin.  It's
so cute to see Daisy come and lie next to the couch followed by Erin and a 
bowl full of dog kibble.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
Subject: Re: Rewards (Was: Re: Mischievous Child (3 YO))
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra, Australia
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:16:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.003732.2202633@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <00713731578@elgamy.sccsi.com> elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
>>                                      ... you may explicitly work on
>>certain individual behaviors via explicit reward systems, but society
>>doesn't work like that, so you'll eventually have to "fade" that anyhow.
>
>Does that mean if I do a good job I don't get a promotion and a raise?  Does
>that mean if I slack off and refuse to do my job I won't get fired?  Does that
>mean if I treat my friends really well I won't get invited to important 
>parties?  Does that mean if I treat my spouse like dirt he won't divorce me?
>
It might mean that. Society doesn't work in the cause and
effect way you are envisaging it. Look at the rewards of the underclass
in American society. It doesn't seem to me that those people
are getting their rewards.

>Of COURSE society works like that.  We have very explicit rewards built into
>our political, social, and economic systems to encourage people to behave
>the way the state, community, and business want people to behave.  
>
What reward does business give out for people who are kind, caring
and compassionate?

>The challenge is to shape the rewards you offer your children based on one of
>the rewards they will experience in the adult world.  

It really depends upon the kind of children you want to raise.
The happiest and most well adjusted children I have seen are
those raised to appreciate others, not material possessions and
rewards.
-- 
Kate Juliff                           | kcj@matilda.vut.edu.au
Victoria University                   |
P.O. BOX 14428,                       |
MELBOURNE MAIL CENTRE, AUSTRALIA 3000 |
Xref: sparky misc.kids:21266 misc.education:3134
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:06:49 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1992Aug17.161034.16444@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) writes:
> 
> Is there a newsgroup or mailing list pertaining to homeschooling?
> We're seriously considering going this route, and would love to converse
> with folks who know more about it than we do.

Can't help with the newsgroup, but I can offer lots of moral support.
I'd encourage you to read, if you ever have second thoughts about it,
a book called "Dumbing us Down", by John Taylor Gatto, former Teacher
of the Year in New York State. It's available through the New Society
Press (I'll bring the address tomorrow if you're interested in
following through). This book is a searing indictment of the public
school system and really exposes, IMHO, the ethical and spiritual
bankruptcy of the whole system (I am not a Christian, so that's not
where I'm coming from with these comments). In a nutshell, he says
that schools have a "hidden curriculum" which is designed to produce
willing cogs in our industrial society, i.e., ravenous consumers,
people who follow orders, and who can't think for themselves.

Richard
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (131010000-BadianS(DR1510)43)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:52:48 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <JGJ.92Aug18130200@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>, jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
|> > Products that aren't tested on animals are still tested.
|> > Mostly on human volunteers.
|> 
|> That I find morally reprehensible.  To test things on humans before
|> they've been tried on animals reeks of Nazi Germany.  You can bet I
|> won't use any of these so-called cruelty-free products!
|> 
|> > Most companies making non-animal tested stuff use ingredients with a
|> > long, safe history too.
|> 
|> This is starting to sound like Ludditism.  Must not try anything new
|> now; it might make a rat die.

Maybe some do, maybe some don't. What I have read is that animal testing
has gotten very expensive and computer modeling of reactions has gotten
much better (particuarly for things like cosmetics and body care products).
So, companies are not testing their products on animals or on PEOPLE (I
mean let's be real and think about the liability implications here!). They
are testing them via computers.

And, given the ingredient lists I've seen on some of the cruelty free
products, they are definitely using more tried and true formulations
which use natural herbal things and not stuff cooked up by a chemist.
You may argue that some of these may be dangerous too, but many of them
have a LONG history of use without any deleterious effects. And believe
it or not, they work in plenty of cases. Just because it's a weed
in your backyard, doesn't mean it's useless! Mother Nature is smarter
than we give her credit for.

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com