HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Re: Mrs. Field's Cookies Recipes
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:06:04 GMT

In article <26000@oasys.dt.navy.mil> jacobs@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Henry Jacobs) writes:
>Over the weekend, I wandered into the local mall bookstores. There is
>now a cookbook titled "Mrs. Field's Recipes" and has all sorts of cookies
>and other goodies recipes.
>But...are they the REAL recipes...
>It's almost (but not quite) sad to see an Urban Legend overtaken by
>events. But as with Craig Shergold, who cares, the Legend will go on.

I recently bought some Ms. Flds cookies (For a buck a piece - let me
tell you, this is some racket) - Anyway, on the back of the bag that
they come in (a very beautiful bag, mind you - I save the bag even though
the cookies are long gone...), it advertises the Ms. flds recipe book
(yes, it's only two fifty), making it explicitly clear that the cookie
recipe(s) found in the book are similar to, *but* *not* identical to
those used in the cookies sold in the stores.  Point is made that that
recipe is still a *secret*.

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From: grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell)
Subject: Re: Conscious Severed Heads (was: Is the electric chair . . .)
Organization: Andre P. Ozrout
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.225739.9105@twg.com> nolan@twg.com writes:
>So does anyone remember how long Bran the Blessed's head was supposed to have
>lived?

Why, strangely enough, yes. It was 87 years, as he prophesied
himself - but he was a giant, and magic to boot, so I don't
really think this info applies to the thread.

It's a good story, though.


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From: davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner)
Subject: Re: Eskimo words for 'snow'
Originator: davew@willow03
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:48:33 CDT


In article <1992Oct12.210747.15245@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
> Message-ID: <1992Oct10.200800.22595@news.unomaha.edu> WRITES:
> 
> >	In one of the puzzle columns in Science(insert year here), there was a
> >contest to create a sentence that used every letter of the alphabet.  I believe
> >that someone succeeded in writing a twenty-six letter sentence, and that "Cwm"
> >was used in a few of them.
> >
> >	Torsten at Omaha
> 
> 	"The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog."  (33 letters)

Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. (31 letters)
-- 
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Error in FAQ: Gerbils
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:45:34 GMT

mikkelson%rwtms2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com (snopes) writes:
: 
: In article <26806@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, 
:   twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes...
: 
: >Want to double-check that Terry?
: 
:  Which Terry are we supposed to double-check?

Yeah! Why should we have to anyway? Isn't checking them once
good enough? Don't you trust us?

Sheesh!

Bill
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: More Stupid Lawyer Tricks
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 21:51:18 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <Oct.9.16.54.54.1992.6234@math.rutgers.edu>, cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:
|> 
|> While driving over from the other campus, I heard a story on the radio
|> news that reinforces my belief that people will sue for anything.
|> According to the story, a fellow is suing the police department for
|> injuries sustained as a result of a high-speed chase with a police
|> officer.  The police officer says that he tried to get the guy to pull
|> over when he observed him weaving in traffic at a high rate of speed
|> (speeds exceeding 100mph).  The cop says that he never tried to give
|> chase to our hero, but rather that he followed him at the speed limit
|> while keeping him in sight in order to radio ahead.  Since our hero was
|> driving drunk (he pled guilty to speeding and drunk driving), he
|> was unable to keep control and crashed in a most spectacular fashion
|> which ended in his losing part of one leg.
|> 
|> Of course, the case will likely be thrown out.  After all the lawyers
|> involved have collected a hefty fee.

On 48 hours(?) last week they spoke with a man
who sued his neighbors for playing basketball
too loud!!  Of course, he is a lawyer.  They 
have gone through something like five trials
now.  Never underestimate the pettiness that
keeps our courts tied up.

Jared "Bounce Bounce Bounce...All day Long" Dahl
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From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: Oscillators (Was: Re: Women in groups)
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:49:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.164342.4056@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
)In article <1992Oct12.230913.19059@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
)
)>I tend to think of it as a simple case of 'injection locking' - a technical
)>term for how two oscillators, running at the same frequency, will tend to
)>oscillate at the same frequency given any means of coupling.  Rather than
)
)I don't get it.  If the oscillators are (already) running at the same
)frequency, why do you need coupling to make them run at the same
)frequency?

OK, oscillators that would run at *close* to the same frequency if they
were isolated from each other tend to lock to *exactly* the same frequency
when they are coupled by 'injection locking'.  (Also, they will achieve a
phase-lock as well, which is more the issue here.)
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Headless cheerleaders and other bits & pieces
Keywords: accidents injuries
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:00:16 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

On the topic, the following was posted to rec.autos.something.or.other.
Plausible?  I think not.

>Message-Id: <lairdb.718569184@crash.cts.com>
...
>Taken from 'Metro' (San Fran Bay area weekly)
>Edition Jan 2-8 . Vol7, No 44.
>Without Permission.
>
>"Police in Papua, New Guinea, solved the mystery
>of an arm found underneath a truck in Mt. Hagen
>when a man contacted police 150 miles away in
>Lae to report his missing.  The man, who had been
>drinking, recalled driving towards Lae with his
>right arm hanging out of the window when a truck
>passed in the opposite direction.  Some time later,
>he felt some pain and noticed his arm wasn't there.
>Police searched for the missing limb but found
>nothing until a truck driver noticed the arm beneath
>his truck and reported it."

Hugh "4 out of 5 prefer Tylenol" Grierson

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From: good@pixar.com (The one who dies with the most toys wins)
Subject: Re: Is that a boom mike in Madonna's butt?
Organization: Pixar - Pt. Richmond, CA USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:40:05 GMT

In article <ldcos7INNes7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
:
:# Casablanca
:-12 minutes into the film, it is mentioned that the stolen Letters of Transit
:are signed by General DeGaulle, and cannot be questioned.  But DeGaulle was the
:leader of the Free French, and CASABLANCA is set in Vichy France, where he had
:been sentenced (in absentia) to death as a traitor. (This is contentious; did
:Peter Lorre say "DeGaulle", "Weygand", or a mix of the two?).

"Casablanca" is set in Casablanca, which was under the control of Vichy France.
Using DeGaulle's name was not a "mistake", but a deliberate choice because his
name was recognizable to American audiences.  If you want other deliberate
historical inaccuracies from this film, consider that there really is no such
thing as a magic "letter of transit" in the first place.  I mean, paper that
would stop Nazis?  The biggest, of course, is that there was no trail of
refugees traveling to Casablanca during the war, much less "on foot across
the rim of Africa".  All that stuff was made up for the film.  The city of
Casablanca was relatively obscure until the arrival of its cinematic namesake.


:# Die Hard II

The list of Truly Stupid Stuff from this movie is nearly endless.
There is nothing in it that doesn't topple like a house of cards if you
nudge it with even minimal thought or research.  The idea that one can
hack into the ILS transmitter at an airport and adjust it so that
planes fly into the ground is so insultingly ludicrous that it was
impossible for me to enjoy even the action sequences of the movie.  I
don't mind fantasy, and I don't mind a writer "bending the rules" of
physics and reality (ie: "Casablanca"), but I get really insulted by
the typical Hollywood writer who just obviously doesn't care enough to
do even one hour of research on the technology in his script.

		--Craig
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Eskimo words for 'snow'
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:47:03 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher) wrote:
> According to Cecil Adams (printed in his first book, The Straight Dope)
> 'cwm' is Welsh for hill, and is pronounced 'coom'

Pronunciation's OK, but somebody tell Cecil that it's actually Welsh for
"valley".

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Nickles (was Canadian pennies)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:53:34 GMT

klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes:
: >:  
: >:  This is odd. If Canadian nickels, dimes and quarters are made of nickel 
: >: or copper-nickel, why can I pick them up with a magnet?
: 
: >	Hmmmph. They're  clearly counterfiet:  Canada has no nickels,
: >dimes, or quarters except  those imported from abroad. We  do have
: >5, 10 and 25 cent coins, though.
: 
: Has any country got nickles?

Nope. However, some countries may have nickels - depends on how you define
the word. If you mean, "does the work appear on the coin?", then probably
not.  If you mean -"does the word appear in official government publications
to describe the coin?" - the answer is yes.  

Bill
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From: djb6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dennis Brennan)
Subject: Re: Kirk vs. Picard
Reply-To: djb6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:15:39 GMT

>>If Jean-Luc Picard got into a fight with Jim Kirk who would win?

Who Would Win discussions are a moot point.  You could array all of the
forces of the universe against my candidate and they'd all get perforated.
The Kool-Aid man.  He just goes, "Oh Yeah!" and busts holes in everything.


-- 
Dennis Brennan
djb6@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: McDonalds Urban Legends
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:18:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.191133.29947@msc.cornell.edu> rob@msc.cornell.edu (Rob Vaughn) writes:
>The first rumor claimed that McDonalds stopped using the hollow, straw-like
>coffee stirrers because addicts were using them to snort cocaine (in lieu
>of a fresh,rolled $100 bill, I guess.)  The replacement, which is a long
>paddle-like stick, isn't much better - the rumor claims it can be used like 
>a small spoon similar to the kind favored by some snorters.

Close -- but no cigar.

McDonalds used to have little spoons as stirrers.  Picture the current
paddle with a spoon instead of the flat part.

They stopped using these because they became popular with the cocaine
crowd.

Bill
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From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: US pennies...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 07:02:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Actually, legislation has been introduced over and over again to
get rid of the penny in the United States, and each time it has
been turned down - each time by a smaller and smaller margin 
(sorry - I'd have to look up by exactly how much).

The last attempt I saw called for eliminating the penny over a
long period of time, eventually rounding all prices to the
nearest nickel.  Items that cost 1 or 2 cents (heh heh) could 
still pe paid with pennies.

IMHO, it is just a matter of time before the penny is eliminated
from the US currency.  After all, inflation keeps going up and up
each year, and the penny keeps getting less and less valuable.
How often do *you* actually use pennies - most of the time I just
throw them in the penny jar, roll them all up at the end of the
year, and take it to the bank - which gets me an extra $10 a year
or so.

In 1983, the US penny was switched from 95% copper to 3% copper and
97% zinc.  If you scratch open a penny today, you'll see the zinc
just beneath the copper surface.  This is because the cost of copper
was rising, almost to the point that the cost of the copper was worth
more than the penny itself.  At one point about 2 years ago, the cost
of copper finally reached that level (something like $1.54 for one
pound of copper) - since then the cost of copper has declined a bit.
Eventually the cost of zinc will reach that level as well, though it 
will take a while.

A few years ago, DisneyWorld did a survey on people's habits concerning
pennies (why DisneyWorld, I don't know).  Something like 5% of all
Americans just *throw away* their cents (sense?).

When I lived in Jakarta, the smallest denomination coin was the 5 rupiah
coin - made of aluminum.  Even so, it was virtually worthless (at 
that time, 1800 rupiah to the US dollar).  Prices were simply rounded
to the nearest 5 rupiah, and occasionally to the nearest 50 or 100
rupiah.  If they didn't have the extra 5 or 10 or 20 rupiah to make
the correct change, they'd give you a small mint or two.

A US economy without the penny is not that hard to imagine.  I'd be
surprised if the penny survives the decade.

Cheers,

 - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu)

PS  There was a recent thread here concerning Columbus and the idea
 that people thought the world was flat.  Interestingly enough, while
 listening to NPR yesterday (the Morning Edition), I heard that 
 Columbus thought that the world was shaped like a "woman's breast",
 and that he had found "paradise" right in the middle.  Can anyone
 else confirm this?  -MLH
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (rachel j. perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Birth of Kibo
Keywords: Kibo was, Kibo is, Kibo shall ever be. All Praise Kibo.
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:36:14 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Oct16.093744.16438@husc3.harvard.edu> joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) writes:
>manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley) prophesies:
>>
>>Heathens of The Net witness the proclamation of Lord Kibo and be Happy.
>>
>>--
>>Dave "preparing a sacrifice of fatted gerbil" Manley
>
>Thanks for making me blow coffee all over my terminal, Dave...
>
>GREAT line!
>

my coffee was hazelnut cream. what was yours? i hope my terminal liked it.
as soon as i wipe it down. i'll tell you.

rachel "you too, huh?" perkins

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From: mcirvin@husc10.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Leapin' Warships (was Re: Liz Claiborne/Oprah Winfrey UL)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:24:54 GMT
 <1992Oct9.021256.23476@midway.uchicago.edu> <7127@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> <1992Oct9.120456.16201@husc3.harvard.edu>

(Yes, I realize that the ObUL that began this subthread was most likely
equipped with an invisible stealth smiley, but the serious followups
are going to come in a moment... I can feel it in my bones...)
 
joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) writes:

[about ye olde Philadelphia Experiment legend]

>The ship, according to the UL, wasn't "built" to be invisible.  The Navy had
>a ship in drydock in Philly, and the situation was perfect to test their new
>"invisibility field."  Results were as you described.

>Everyone's heard it, in one form or another.

>Hooey.

Might it be time for Robert Sheaffer to repost his all-purpose Swiss Army
rebuttal to this story?  It slices... it dices... it reveals the source,
apparently a born prankster named either Carl Allen or Carlos Allende
(shades of Jerry Rivers).

The extent to which the Philadelphia Experiment story thrives on Usenet is
astounding.  The discussion gets restarted periodically everywhere from
alt.alien.visitors to sci.physics, this despite the fact that the science
is absurd, the connected conspiracy theory is more or less the modular
generic conspiracy theory adapted by perpetual motion cranks and UFO
buffs for their own purposes (secret Einstein unified theory, the government
burning Tesla's miracle papers, etcetera, etcetera), and the silly origin 
of the story is known!

Perhaps it's because of the movie.  There's usually a connected meta-
discussion about whether the movie inspired the rumor or vice versa. 
It's vice versa. 
-- 
Matt McIrvin, posting nonsense again 
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From: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Do the Dog (was Re: Oranjelo)
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:00:05 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com


In article <92367@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>I won't rest until I know.  Just what kind of dog is this, Bruce?

Sir Raging Pooter the Wizard [Dog] was a Sheltie.  Unlike David
Feldman's fish, Shelties *never* sleep.  Like his clocks, they do
go clockwise, running around (and yapping) ceaselessly.  And thanks
to David, we all know what attribute their noses possess.

There is absolutely nothing unusual about their urine, except that 
in a blind tasting, 4 out of 5 quotable British prime ministers
preferred it to Corona.

-- 
Bruce Tindall, Core Testing Mgr., SAS Institute Inc., Cary, N.C. 27513
From: cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Garbled anecdotes (was: late talkers)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:24:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

davol@twinheadmeiko.co.uk (David Wilson) writes:
> stern6@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Stern) writes:
[Actually, I wrote it.  Why should Mike get credit for it?]
> > ObUL:  Churchill's first words were "In the morning I'll be sober, and
> > you'll still be overdone."

: The way I heard this one was: 
...
: "Madam, you are ugly. But in the morning I'll be sober."

Whaddya think?  I think I caught this one cold.

--Scott "Churchill never said that.  Gladstone did." Cromar
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Famous Alumni (was "Lost In Space" was CLEARLY better)
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:03:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.213528.24791@newsgate.sps.mot.com> rapw20@email.sps.mot.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.172310.24981@hubcap.clemson.edu>  
>jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>> 
>>  Clemson claims to be
>> the first school to use the forward pass in a football game but I have
>> heard this claim made by several schools.
>> 
>No, no, no...everyone knows it was Notre Dame.
>
>Mark

No, it was Ronald Reagan; they did it for the Gipper.

obReaganStatement:  Ronald Reagan says that Communism in Russia came and
went during his lifetime, but then again he knew Thomas Jefferson, and can
with authority say that Clinton is no Thomas Jefferson.

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From: sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith)
Subject: Re: Old Food, was Re: nail in Coca-Cola
Organization: Agincourt Computing
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:04:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.165539.798@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>Anyway, we used to stick glasses and plates to the underside of the
>tables in the school cafeteria with mashed potatoes.  Some of those
>tables were removed because they couldn't get the dishes off!

>Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
>jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-

Hmm.  When I was a freshman in college, the dining hall had some
desserts that they called "strawberry tartlets", consisting of
strawberry flavored glue in a small "pie" shell.  Note that this was a
freestanding shell -- not in a little foil thing.

One time, after eating the glue (ObFact: college students will eat
anything) I kept the "pie" shell, dried it for a day or so, and used it
for the rest of the term as an ashtray.

At one point, my roommate (grossed out by the whole scene) threw it out
the window (second floor).  Didn't seem to hurt it any.


-- 
Steve Smith                     Agincourt Computing
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