HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lowa@syria.crd.ge.com (J. Alan Low)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: HELP: Shipping a keyboard
Summary: Requesting info about cross-country shipping of keyboard
Keywords: ship send keyboard synth
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:48:31 GMT
Reply-To: jalano@ugcs.caltech.edu (J. Alan Low)
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Electric Corp. R&D, Schenectady, NY

How would I go about shipping a synthesizer a long distance (across the
country) WITHOUT putting it in an expensive flight case?  I don't want to
buy a permanent case because I rarely (read: never except now!) do this
sort of thing.  

Can I just wrap it up in a cardboard box and ship it via UPS?  Are there places
where I can purchase disposable containers for this purpose?  Have any of you
had any luck with this sort of thing, and what kind of insurance can I buy in
case there is damage during transport?

Time is not really and issue.  It can take up to two weeks to send if
necessary.

- Alan
jalano@ugcs.caltech.edu

P.S. The keyboard is an Ensoniq EPS (original).  But I'd like to know in
     general how this is usually done.  I don't need to hear "You fool:
     you should have saved your original container!"
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12934 comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard:900
From: davecole@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Multisound
Keywords: Price
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:03:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Jul30.134319.3177@gdstech.grumman.com> soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare) writes:
>Speaking of MultiSound, I was really amused by their ad in "new MEDIA" 
>magazine, where they were comparing their sound generation capabilities 
>with some of the competition...
>
>	"Would-be "Pro" sound boards use a 14-year old
>	game technology called "FM synthesis" to generate
>	sound. This inadequate sound reproduction would
>	certainly make an embarrassing boardroom presen-
>	tation. To picture FM synthesis in your mind, 
>	think of an all-kazoo disco band playing in your
>	shower."
>
>Gee, is it really that bad?
>
>soh
>
>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>- Scott O'Hare (soh@gdstech.grumman.com)                            -
>---------------------------------------------------------------------

That's not _bad_, that's Great!  Maybe you're not picturing it in your mind
quite right.  They are not just playing in the shower, they are cavorting! No
clothes on.  And Frequently Modulating each other as the soapy bubbles swirl
about.  Try looking that up in your wavetable!
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SY99 has no peers?
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:40:35 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: jtn@ADS.COM's message of 22 Jul 92 03:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.032113.20916@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson) writes:

   I do notice they have a Waldorf
   Wave.


aaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaiiiiigh!!!

Sure you don't mean a MicroWave?

Nick.
--
  Nick Rothwell, LFCS, Edinburgh | "Say, how many contemporary dancers are
               nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk |     there in this bar?"
CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens and
     cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk |     divide by two..."
From: v176lsuf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Edward T Auer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: For Sale: Kawai Spectra, Casio vz10
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


          FOR SALE

1. Kawai Spectra 16 bit digital synth, 10 note polyphonic, 4 way multi timbral,
     seperate drum section with 4 note polyphony. 5 octive velocity sensitive
keyboard. Can be used as a strap on controlller or on a stand. Arpeggiator, 
rhythm section, and MIDI. asking 350 plus shipping or offer

2. Casio VZ10M digital synth 16 note polyphonic, multi timbral, rack synth 
plus card. asking 225 plus shipping or offer
reply to Ed Auer v176lsuf@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Commentary
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 12:29:42 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

Anyone checked out the latest interview with Wendy Carlos in Keyboard?
Carlos Moog Modular, sits forgotten in a corner of the studio, and is 
used only for it's Low Pass Filter.
 
????  Bummer.  I guess her thought processes have finally run out of new 
things to do with that powerful monster.  That's too bad.
 
Though I can't wait to hear the new Switch On Bach 2000 album, I can't 
help but feel that it's almost total digitalness, wont be able to compare 
to the analog warmth of the original.
 
I'll give it as fair a listen as I can though.
 
 ------------------------------------------------
 \ FIVE-Aural \If they drop the bomb, say good  \
 \ Research   \bye to RAM/ROM in digital synths \
 \ Foundation \synths, and learn to love analog!\
 ------------------------------------------------

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;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy MIDI song files
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:59:49 GMT
Organization: Spleen Venters Anonymous

In article <9207311257.AA01064@efftoo.boeing.com> crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> writes:
>Randy Jones <rej@BOB.SAL.WISC.EDU>
>
>>Well, it was meant to be funny, but there was a point to it which I'll
>>reiterate in a more pedestrian way: having those MIDI files you "need"
>>would be WORSE THAN USELESS. There's no possible use for such a thing
>>which isn't either a plagiarism or an insult to the work of the
>>original artist. Listen to the album, make your own damn songs.
>
>Ouch!  That's a little harsh, isn't it? 

Um, yeah, probably a bit excessive. What ticked me off was the original
poster's singleminded followup to the tune of "that's all very well, 
but seriously, where can I get those files?" And the collected spleen
I have for everyone who thinks the Net is a fount of riches from which
one can draw without putting any creative energy in.

>I liked your original, funny
>post because I also thought that there was too much sampling on
>Skinny Puppy's albums to make a midifile very useful.  But then I
>began to realize that a midifile, or better yet a score would
>reveal to somebody without a perfect ear the harmonic progressions
>in the songs (which seem to me to be very conservative -- another
>one of their strengths).

I just think that score notation or any description failing to take
evolving timbres into account would really not reveal any of the 
salient features of the music. Except maybe (as you sort of suggest)
as a tutorial to the effect of "see how much the notes *don't* matter!"
But I feel that anyone with any ears, let alone perfect ones, should
be able to absorb that lesson just by listening. And the time spent
asking for someone to give you a chunk of MIDI data would be much better
used in related *creative* efforts.
 
I suppose I have this bias that everyone involved with musical
technology ought to be *creatively* involved with it. Clearly this is
not the case, nor is it my place to enforce my definition of "creative". 
But it still ticks me off in the meantime. Suppose I'll mellow eventually.

>In short, I don't think someone's efforts to make a midifile of
>Skinny Puppy's songs would be entirely wasted.  Just don't make a
>midifile of the current album -- it blows.
>
>All MHO, of course.

As is mine.

>
>Bob
>crispen@foxy.boeing.com

-- 
| Randy Jones           |  Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy,
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  |  I like him just fine.
| 608 259 0311          |  But he's a mouth breather...
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman)
Subject: Re: The K2000 vs. SY99 debate - SY99 Owner
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:50:56 GMT

In article <9207311257.AA01891@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,
JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>Clearly, anybody that considers the Korg 01/W sound to be anything better than
>mundane is probably not worth responding to because they have obviously been
>overcome by the dull-trendy-sound-is-good (DTSIG) virus.  Also, while
>comparisons to the SY99 are probably fair (because, the machines are of
>similar potential caliber), it would be absurd to compare a K2000 to an
>01/W, or a Proteus keyboard which aren't even synthesizers but sample playback
>boards with limited flexibility.  If the two classes of machines were
>alive they would be considered totally different species.  You sample player
>aficionados who have never pondered 'synthesis' appear to be an incredibly
>ignorant lot.

How 'bout the endless, mind-numbing, My-Box-Is-Better-Than-Your-Box
posts?  Get a life and make some music, instead of insulting people
over which frigging equipment they use.
From: FRANK.MAZZOTTI@stjhmc.fidonet.org (FRANK MAZZOTTI)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FOR SALE: RX-17 DRUM Machine
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:08:08 mst
Organization: St. Joseph's Hospital/Medical Ctr, Phoenix, AZ

Hello everyone,

     Need to get rid of some excess inventory.

     *******      FORSALE       *******
     *******      FORSALE       *******
     *******      FORSALE       *******

     YAMAHA - RX17 - Drum Machine
       Excellent condition.  Used probably about 5 times.
       Includes Manual, pattern book,
        and Technical Service Manual ( Ordered Seperately from Yamaha )


     Has 26 Drum/Percussion Sounds, Standard Drum kit, plus Congas, Bongos, 
agogo
       Cowbell, claps, whistle, timbales, shaker, and others.
     The individual percussion items if purchased alone would be
       well over $250, if not much more...

     Make offer.  Best offer takes it.
     Please be reasonable it was purachased for $375.
     
Hope to be in touch.....
    Frank Mazzotti

(1:260/328.17@fidonet)

 

--  
Internet: FRANK.MAZZOTTI@stjhmc.fidonet.org
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12719 rec.music.makers:8549 alt.music.progressive:1481
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive
Subject: FM (Was: Re: Nash the Slash Rises Again!!! NEW RELEASE)
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:09:43 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul26.203935.10163@bwdls61.bnr.ca> ACOLES@BNR.CA writes:
>Does anyone know what's happened with F.M.?  a few years back they were going
>write and release a two record set, but that was the last I heard.

Last I heard of them was their 1987 album "Tonight", which featured
Hawkins, Slash, and two new guys (Martin Deller bailed out I guess).
It's a very modern-pop album, not a hint of their progressive past in it
anywhere, and while it seems a little better than their 1985 offering
"Con-Test", it's a far cry from their earlier stuff.

I've heard persistent rumors that somebody has the rights for the first
three ("Headroom","Black Noise","Surveillance")and they will be re-
released on disc. I've been hearing these rumors for three years now and
nothing ever seems to materialize.What Gives ?

Ben Mink now is apparently full time with KD (excuse me: kd ) Lang;
Anyone ever hear his solo album "Foreign Exchange" from around '81, or
am I the only person on the planet who has this album ?


peter (ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com) "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12907 rec.music.makers:8658
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Survey on digital recording
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:06:06 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Jul29.150136.19689@ohm.york.ac.uk> don@ohm.york.ac.uk (Don Goodeve) writes:
>Digital equipment is currently more expensive and to me has some
>significant technical drawbacks (limited playback lifetime of
>DAT)

That may have been a problem a couple of years ago but I don't see that
now.  Of course it all depends on your definition of "limited".  I would
expect a DAT tape to wear out after a few hundred playings.  On the other
hand, an analog cassette loses it too.  It just degrades in a different
way.  I treat a DAT master as I would any computer data storage medium.  
I keep a backup.  I wouldn't use DAT as an everyday playback medium
but it seems to hold up quite well for critical mastering applications.

>and also it does not seem to sound as good. The open, lively
>accoustic feel of guitar music seems to get replaced with a
>very clinical and bright sound - but without the life.

The so-called "clinical" sound is frequently caused by improper recording
levels.

>I have had several lively discussions on this point with people
>who both swear by digital and swear about digital...

These discussions are pretty tired these days.

>Yes, you are right. I am dedicated to analogue. No one has yet
>demonstrated to me a digital system that sounds as good as an
>analogue system.

Why not record to analog and then use digital as your mix-down
master.  The distortion added by the analog stage (which some people 
characterize as "warm" sounding) will be properly preserved and
reproduced by the digital medium.  I wish someone would invent
a signal processor that properly simulates analog tape distortion
so we can have the best of both worlds.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: mpw@planet.bt.co.uk (Mike Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Sample Disk Format ( S1000 S900 etc )
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:13:42 GMT
Reply-To: mpw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.

I am writing a sampler editor for the ST that I hope to be able to
read S1000, S900, and ensoniq disks ( and any others that I can find info
on ).

My K2000 will read S1000 disks but not S900. Does this mean that it is
possible , knowing the format to use the atari drive to read them. If they
are high density I shall read them on the K2000 and midi dump them to the
ST. But are the S900 and ensoniq's disks HD or DD ?

Any info what the format is or how I should go about creating dumps on disk
would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
	Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak)
Subject: Re: Help on an Ensoniq SQ-1 please
Keywords: :-)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:50:13 CDT

In article <76125@ut-emx.uucp> jean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Powell) writes:
>2: All my sound in just the plane old mode seem to have changed somewhat.
>They seem like they all have extra "airyness" to them, and I have no clue
>how this could have happened.  Needless to say, I'm a little hesitant to
>start playing with the settings.
>
Could be that air is leaking past the bellows that drive the oscillators
Ensoniq is now using.

:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  couldn't resist %-) 

Don
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bbs.cement@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Christopher Clement)
Subject: Re: Synclavier No More...
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:04:54 GMT

chris@clarinet.music (Chris Scudds) writes:

> 
> Can someone resolve an argument for me...
> 
> Did Fostex really buy New England Digital?
> 
> --
> *****  Who am I ? - Chris Scudds, BSc, MSc, ( PhD? Wait and see )  *****
> *    Where am I ? - Dept. Of Music, University Of Glasgow, Scotland    *
> *                      Why do I feel this way ?                        *
> *            >>  chris@uk.ac.gla.music   NeXTmail accepted  <<         *
> *****         >>  " I'd rather Jack, than Famous Grouse "  <<      *****

I'm not quite sure. I was in Hollywood a week ago at a film 
post-production house, and the said tha NED went belly up. Who knows?

--
Christopher Clement (bbs.cement@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Address to KAWAI
From: mccalld@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:28:00 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Greetings:
I need the current USA , preferrably California, address for KAWAI.....
I've got a K1 and found out the ROM is a 1.1 and that 1.3 ROM's were
free for the asking....
mccalld@sonoma.edu
thanks ahead of time

Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:12761 comp.music:3861
From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
Subject: Re: Converting MIDI Clock To Pulse Train
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:32:42 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:

> 
> I just aquired a digital delay with a SYNC input that takes a 5VDC pulse trai
> and uses this to scale delay times.  This allows you to have the delay times
> track a clock source.  What I'm trying to figure out is a way to take a MIDI
> stream from a sequencer and convert the MIDI clock messages to such a pulse
> train.  Does a product like this exist commercially?  I remember some boxes
> from the early days of MIDI that converted MIDI to Sync24, that might be a go
> start.  How about MIDI-CV converters, like the one PAIA sells? 
> 
> 					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com
> 
> 					508-568-6115
> 
> 
I'm converting MIDI Clocks to something relevant (to my studio) with a 
Korg KMS-30 (MIDI>DIN SYNC converter).  I built a Din Sync to Pulse 
converter that provides the +5 to Ground (vice versa is possible) 
required by my Korg Analog sequencer.
 
Five


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;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy MIDI song files
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:43:24 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher) writes:

> 	
> 	Does anyone have any MIDI songfiles for Skinny Puppy? Is there an
> archive site for such things? 
> 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
> 
>                darkPARK - Waterloo's only "alternative" BBS!
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Don't bother.  Unless you'll be happy with some basslines, a melody and 
some percussion.  Most of their stuff is HEAVILY processed, with MANY 
samples, that you'd have to sift through thousands of horror movies to 
find the original raw materials from.  (Before processing).
 
Just M.H.O.
 
Five


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;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: re: Regarding Marc Webster's K2000/SY99 comments
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:52:18 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <9207301400.AA16032@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>        ...If I was in love with FM sounds, I would definately add a real
>FM synth to my rig and not bother making the K2000 fill that role.  As it
>is, the K2000 provides enough FM-like timbres to keep me satisfied.

Not a flame but I would like to nit pick a little about why people use FM.
It's not necessarily the timbre itself.  Surely any FM timbre can be
sampled and played back on the K2000.  It's the realtime expressive
control over the timbre.  What makes FM special is the unique relationship
between its parameters and the resulting timbre.  When these parameters
are modulated in realtime, the timbre changes in ways that can't
be easily imitated by other synthesis methods.  Yes, I'm aware that the
K2000 has lots of nice "distancing" tools that can provide realtime
timbre control.  However, it's still not the same thing.  Not better or
worse - just different.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:40:54 ADT
From:         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: Commentary

>>  Anyone checked out the latest interview with Wendy Carlos in Keyboard?
>>  Carlos Moog Modular, sits forgotten in a corner of the studio, and is
>>  used only for it's Low Pass Filter.
>
>>  ????  Bummer.  I guess her thought processes have finally run out of new
>>  things to do with that powerful monster.  That's too bad.
>
>>  Though I can't wait to hear the new Switch On Bach 2000 album, I can't
>>  help but feel that it's almost total digitalness, wont be able to compare
>>  to the analog warmth of the original.
>
>>  I'll give it as fair a listen as I can though.
>
> To console you, there is one lonely warm analog Moog sound between all
> this cold crispy digital sounds. That's the second of this CD I like
> most.
>
There was an interview with Wendy on CBC FM a few weeks ago, and she
talked in affectionate terms about the moog, but admitted that it does
not get used very much any more. It was an interesting interview...
she mentioned the "little MIDI racks" which only came up to her
shoulders compared to the moog which is well over her head...
They played a few clips A/B from new and old, and I have to say that
of what I heard I prefer the old. It could just be what I am used to.
I will be checking out the CD with an open mind as soon as I can.

Alan


================================================================================
  Alan Edwards
  UNB Physics                              internet:    aedwards@unb.ca
    Canada
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
         If the K2000 is VAST...does that make the K1000 half-VAST?
================================================================================
From: asrbb@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FAQ file?  Assistance?
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:07:34 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

Hi Folks,
I'm another newcomer to the midi world...

Is there a FAQ file available for this newsgroup as there is for others?
There are a lot of little detail questions I have that maybe I can avoid asking
if there were such a facility.

I have a 386/33Mhz PC, a DX7, and a Roland TR-606.  I need a midi card and
software for them.  On my student budget, I am looking for inexpensive,
not-top-of-the-line products that can get me started (especially in the
shareware department).

I am considering the PC MIDI Card for my PC (single MIDI In and Out).
I have heard good things about Cakewalk 4.0 (not the Pro version) in the
commercial software department.  Any comments?

I would sincerely appreciate any comments, no matter how brief.
Thank you,
Rick Bell