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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:19:56 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: First major problem in London
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>         could have taken place?  Yes, I know that 'borough' is a standard
>         English usage -- the origin of places like Marlborough and Attleboro
>         MA.  But the Southern Appalachians were settled by Scots and other
>         Celtic sorts.

OE "burg" turned into ME "burgh" presumably because of some kind of Scottish
influence involving borough.  (Why does that last word suddenly look funny
to me?)  The explanation of OE burg, ME burgh, Scottish influence, and U.S.
towns would probably not be all that hard to track down, but alas I am very
much behind in stuff that has to be done today.

>         BTW, Graham, I do know how to pronounce Edinburgh.  No pillock I.

I didn't think Neal's mention of "silent h" (in the pronunciation of names
like Pittsburgh) was an indication of not knowing how to pronounce Edinburgh.
It's perfectly logical to describe the pronunciation of Pittsburgh as having
a silent h.
  -- Natalie (maynor@CS.msstate.edu)
     borrowing Bernard's account until Ra is up again
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Mka's Entertainment Question
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>>"What British TV series inspired 'All in the Family'?"
>
>'Til Death Do Us Part
>
>(One Heart, One Soul in Germany)
>
>-K
>
>-Mka

You are leader of the pack now..... but you have to wait until next round to
see where the next roll will take you. It doesn't matter now which arm of the
board you move to, so I'll just move you anywhere around the centre until you
land there.

Carolyn
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: On Eire and Edinburg(h) (was Re: First ma
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Posted on 7 Jan 1993 at 15:35:30 by GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU

>It is an international standard that all externally mailed addresses are
>in English.  Ask your postmaster (snailmail).

Sounds very far fetched to me.  Do you have a reference ?  I can't imagine
that countries like France have agreed that mail to (say) Switzerland should
bear the English name of the country.

Tony H.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:34:56 EST
From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Peanut Poems
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Perhaps someone here can help this fellow - Ruth ?

  Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:47:20 TUR
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  From:         CCRICHK@HUB.RDC.NOAA.GOV
  Subject:      Peanut Poems
  ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
  Help!!!
  I have a speech assignment and badly need some poems on peanuts!
  If anyone can help me, I would dearly appreciate it.
  Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Rich Kissel
  send to:
  Richard=L.=Kissel%mb%n@crow.nist.gov

  Thanks again.

Tony H.
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*** Resending note of 01/05/93 10:53

>words like 'running' and 'holding' on the bottom right corner of the screen,
>and angry beeps when you try to accomplish anything.

>  --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Yeah Natalie, it's a bummer...especially when you hit the F2 key to
activate PF2 function (get mail) and the thing sits there appearing to
be doing nothing.  Attempts to speed things up are rewarded with "running",
"holding", "more", or "not valid CMS command".  How nice it would be to
have a message, that changed values, "please wait, retrieving letter
252 of 516".  Nah, mainframe software isin't supposed to be friendly.

PS.  Just corrected typing ... I had spelt "mainframe" as "manframe".
     Maybe I should have left it that way for someone's amusement, made
     an interesting sentence.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:47:40 EST
From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: uh-huh
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Posted on 5 Jan 1993 at 00:56:28 by Emily Horning

>That "wacko place in Malibu" is interviewing me for a job tomorrow!
>>
>> Tony H.

What will you do there ?  Will your office be in the Roman style ?
View of the pool ?  *Swim* in the pool !?

Good luck!

Tony H.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:26:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: WORDS-L TP: Gilbert's Entertainment Question
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>         will guess that it is===================>
>
> Is that some sort of phallic smiley?
>
> G

Depends on who's smiling.  Make that
      ===================================================>
--ggs (not to be <outdone>......)
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:30:16 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Dinner at Grand Nepalese
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> //anne//, are you getting here before Saturday? Please mail me at once if so!
> -abh

What a delightful thought.  I hate this time of year anyway.  I'm glad that
the rest of January is going to be gone in four days.
  -- Natalie (maynor@CS.msstate.edu)
     borrowing Bernard's account until Ra is up again
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:54:00 HST
From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Three-key Sequence Nonsense

>PS to mem.  assigning the number sequence to F keys just resulted in
>submitting those numbers, not the ESC ESC * function.  Guess I need to
>read some more .. there must be a way to tell Crosstalk that the key
>assignment is intended to be a function, not a string of face vaules.

How about making the function-key assignments from a file or
script--or is that what you're doing?  I couldn't find a Crosstalk
manual or book in my immediate surroundings, but I did find a couple
of examples of key and script files.  Don't know whether they work in
all versions of Crosstalk, but there must be similarities.

Guessing on the basis of what I saw, it must be possible to put key
assignments into a file, probably named *.KEY, to be loaded at
start-up time, perhaps indicated in a configuration file of some sort.
The example I saw used the format:
F10, ^[O  (for ESC O).
Presumably there is nothing to keep you from stringing together a
sequence.

I also saw a script file (*.XTS file) to make key assignments.  In
this case, the format was:
FKEY 10  "^[[10p"  (a typical-looking escape sequence to do I don't
know what).

Notice that here, as in other programs I'm familiar with, the escape
character is represented by ^[ (that is, control-bracket).

Any of this help?

----------------
Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nuclear
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>Jimmy Carter and I believe Ike were famous for (among other
>things) pronouncing nuclear as nucular. Why do people do this?
>Because no English words contain the consonant cluster /kl/.
>I mean words from the vocabulary of Old English, not
>derivatives from other languages. Not that /kl/ is impossible
>for us to pronounce (it remains intact at word beginnings);
>inserting a vowel simply anglicizes the foreign sound.

        If you say so, Bill.  But I have never heard anyone mispronounce the
        noun from which the adjective 'nuclear' is derived, nor another related
        adjective.

        Why don't the nucularists say 'nuculus' or 'nuculic acid'?

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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:20:46 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Boston
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Are the people at the Boston gathering gonna send us a live report??
  -- Natalie (maynor@CS.msstate.edu)
     borrowing Bernard's account until Ra is up again
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:18:47 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Question About Online Resources
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              4 Jan 1993 00:11:28 -0500 from <jboor@RA.CS.UMB.EDU>

Kehoe's book is available various places on the nets in edition one.
Edition two is something like 22 bucks for 110 pages of VERY intro stuff.
It MIGHT  be what natalie wants for her kiddies, but they'll be VERY
pissed off at paying so much for so little.  Math geeks are used to paying
those kinds of prices, but english geeks generally aren't.

spend the couple bucks more and get a REAL book with GOOD information.

And for Natalie herself, she's WAY beyond Kehoe.

dan
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:03:01 EST
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Subject:      Re: second call for words-l cookbook

> >fine art of making chili. There must be as many recipes
> >for it as there are words-l readers.
> >
> >Bill
>
> Chapter? That's the next *book*. The WORDS_L Chili Cookbook.
>
> Let me know when to post my recipe...

YES!  I will give my recipe for chili my kids won't eat, which leaves
more for the adults!  Ha!  "Let 'em eat peanut butter."

Ken
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:12:03 -0600
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Famous Horses
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Great, Ray!  What a collection!
ndh
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:28:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Words-L Weekly Digest
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>         Post something interesting, and maybe you'll merit mention in the
>         W-LWD...
>
>         Sorry, I just wanted to be the <first> to say it.
>
> neal

We just may have to have another Family Feud game.  That should do
it.
--ggs (willing to try anything)
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:44:20 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: WORDS-L TP: Mka's Geography Question
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              4 Jan 1993 17:40:04 EST from <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:40:04 EST Entropy Warrior said:
>>  BFD!  WHAT two sources???
>>
>>you expect an A for that kind of citation on your papers?
>>
>>cyclops
>
>I see your recent crisis has not sweetened your disposition any--as nasty a
>piece of work as ever.
>

   I'm certainly not claiming to be perfect, or even especially nice....
but nasty or unsweet or such are NOT what i'm used to hearing....is this
a first??   is Ausbrook having a difficult period?  Is he somewhere that
still has the antiquated custom of having finals in January instead of
before Xmas?

hmmmmm


cyclops
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:12:32 +1100
From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Anjani's Art/Literature Ques
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>I'm no Bible expert, but I have no recollection of a "staff of life" anywhere
>in the "Lord's Prayer."
>
>Darn!  My first question and I have nary a clue.
>
>--Anjani

"..... Give us this day our daily bread....." is the part it refers to.
Bread is the answer I was looking for - commonly known as 'the staff of life'
to most speakers of English.

Carolyn
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Baseball
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>getting into a fight.  You hit that ball right down the middle, KNOWING
>what the result will be, but that ball is so beautiful anyway.  And
>there's a certain perverse satisfaction when this ball, which you have
>*given* to the batter, is hit w/ a resounding smack.

        Mickey Mantle's 536th and last homerun was hit off Denny McLain, who
        all but told the Mick where the pitch would be and how hard it would be
        thrown.  Denny did it as a tribute to the great hitter, and probably
        because he wanted to be remembered in this anecdote.

        Of course, just because the pitcher throws you a meatball doesn't mean
        you'll knock it out of the park.

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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:48:23 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: London Bridge
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> sad or depressing.  What *did* depress me was "The Missouri Waltz," which
> my mother used to sing to me...I *always* cried at that one, goodness
> knows why.

So did I!!  There's something about the tune of it that is very, very sad.
Much sadder than "Go Tell Aunt Rhody," the tune of which is not particularly
sad.  But I also got sad thinking about the dead goose.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:56:59 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: second call for words-l cookbook
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> I have already posted several important recipes, including
> The Dish (pasta with garlic, seafood, garlic, herbs, garlic,
> grated cheese, garlic, and garlic). Natalie, are they archived?

I have copies of them on my computer -- and maybe online also.  I'll
look for them if I ever catch up with today's mail.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      the adventure continues.....

I ache for Dan...and all I can give him is my best wishes and prayers.  I
watched as my second wife went thru many eye operations in the years we
were married ...once had three different operations in four days in three
different hospitals ...kept getting switched from one specialist to
another...doctors gave her little hope for restored vision ...but when
it was all over, her corrected vision was better than mine.  I sincerely
wish Dan the same success.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: Brad's Science/Nature Question
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>"What is mined to provide Australia with rutile and zircon?"
>
>Right off the top of my head, I don't recognize either of those two, er,
>substances.  Zirconium.  Isn't that an ersatz diamond of some sort?
>But why would you mine diamonds to make fake diamonds?
>
>I don't know.  I'm at work late and was about to ask for the short ride
>home before answering, but what's the point?  I'll say diamonds.
>
>Sports and Leisure would have been my next choice....
>
>brad

Zircon is a zirconium compound (ZrSiO4); Rutile is Titanium Oxide; both of
these substances are mined from sand along with Ilmenite - a mixed oxide,
FeTiO2 - all of these are predominant in the 'black sands' of the East Coast
of Queensland and New South Wales..... and yes, zircon is used to make fake
diamonds.

Carolyn
PS Anyone know what has happened to Agnes?
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:04:11 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Boston
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>> nominate Mama P.'s salmoncakes for best eatin's, but I didn't get any
>
>Has she volunteered to be the bakemistress in Portland?
>  -- Natalie (maynor@CS.msstate.edu)
>     borrowing Bernard's account until Ra is up again

Thank you, Rita. Glad you liked them.

And no, Natalie, NO WAY am I gonna be the bakemistress is Portland!

But I will post the recipe for the salmon pancakes, if anyone
wants it.

love, judith
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> Whew!  Are you sure the Miata won't find a Civic Wagon boring?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

It will be just like the princess and the frog.  One kiss, bumper to
bumper, and the Wagon will be the most handsome of them all.
Or maybe tail-pipe to tail-pipe is more appropriate.
How *long* is this Wagon's pipe?
--ggs (getting the disk ready to send snailwise)
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:12:15 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Famous horses
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> [Oooh...nobody has a problem with unclear...but all of Natalie's
> examples of pronouncing eee ar spell it "ier", not "ear". Looks
> like people manage unclear, because it's pronounced un-cleer,
> but get messed because they remember that the "clear" in nuclear
> is not pronounced "cleer", but forget that it's "clier" and make
> it "cular". Natalie, does that make sense?]

I think so.  It's the spelling that intrudes, making them think that
"ar" is different from "er"?  Maybe the spelling should be changed to
"nuclier."  I really don't care that some people say "nucular," however.
It doesn't lead me to misunderstand their meaning.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK (Graham Toal) writes:
> And Jenna will be there soon, and possibly our new friend Frizzy the Fribble,
> not to mention our passing visitor ri<chough,splutter>chh.  Say, richh hasn't
> dumped any of his second-hand stories on us lately - is he still around?

He popped in to a.s.b. a while back to discount rumors of his demise.
He has a new job that's taking much of his time.

Of course now that you've used his name there's a chance he'll pop back
in here.  I suspect that he scans all incoming news for his name.

--karsten
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Question About Online Resources
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:06:00 GMT

In article <9DAD5A17C05FC024B2@cc.weber.edu> BZ <TSBZALESKI@CC.WEBER.EDU> writes:

>Do you mean you just keep track of how often each file is downloaded to
>sort of see if it is time to take it out of the ftp space?   I'm really
>curious to know why you keep stats.  And do you do anything with the address
>I send as my password?  Is that just for the security types (are you one?)
>who need to know who got in to the system in case something goes wrong on
>the machine?

	I think different sites keep stats for different reasons.  We
keep them so that we can track which files people are finding most
useful.  This helps us meet the needs of the net community.  For
example, when a file on the FBI Digital Telephony initiative gets 400
downloads in two days, we know that this is a hot issue that we need
to pay attention to.  I forward the number of downloads to the editors
of all the electronic zines in the /journals directory so that they
can track their distribution.

	Although we do capture the passwords given at anonymous login
to a file, we've never had a reason to look at it.  I imagine we might
if there was some sort of trouble, but we don't have an incoming
directory on our server for anyone to upload anything illegal or a
virus or anything.  Besides, if *I* were going to wreak havoc on an
ftp site, I sure as hell wouldn't use my real e-mail address upon
login.  All the software looks for is an "@".  So satan@hell.org won't
even make the software blink.  If you put something that doesn't look
like an e-mail address there, our system just says something real
scary like "next time try using your e-mail address."

	Copacetic?




-- 
Rita Rouvalis                                Electronic Frontier Foundation
rita@eff.org                                                    eff@eff.org
CIS:70007,5621                                                (617)864-0665
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