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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: I found it! An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:31:32 GMT
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Crystal (crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu) wrote:
: 
: I found an Amiga advantage, too.  (You're going to have a LONG list!!! :>)
: 
: It took my PC THREE HOURS to print disk labels for me.  And all the while I
: was unable to use the machine.  However, the AMIGA was online through the 
: modem and I was busily downloading stuff, working in my desktop publisher
: program and database, playing a game or two to take a break,
: and listening to mods ALL WHILE THE PC WAS TIED UP PRINTING!!!
: 

What, no background raytracing?  I'm disappointed...

:
: Now THAT is an Amiga ADVANTAGE!
: Let's hear of a PC doing anything NEARLY that productive! 
: 

Wrong.  That is an AmigaOS advantage over MS-DOS.  A PC with Windows, OS/2, or
Unix could easily be that productive (well, you'd need a Gravis UltraSound
with proper drivers for efficient MOD playback).

: 
: *evil, but pleased, snicker*
: 

You forgot "uninformed".

:
: Crystal
: 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:45:30 GMT
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Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: 
:But, a real computer discussion should go far beyond games. The Amiga still
:multitasks better than any other computer with any other OS. I have MAC owners
:with System 7 that are STILL surprised by my A2000's multitasking power, and PC
:/ Windows / OS/2 users that won't admit it, but never seem able or willing to
:"show off" THEIR multitasking abilities... or lack of.
: 

Maybe PC owners have more interesting things to do with their computers
than "show off"?  I, for one, prefer *using* my PC's multitasking ability
over showing it off.

:
: =======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Marc's latest flipflop (was Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:24:37 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


Marc Barrett wrote:
>...the odd-numbered Amigas (A1000 and A3000) have turned out to
>be the marginally good systems....
>The Display Enhancer in the A3000 is arguably its best feature.
>The [A4000] is vastly inferior to the A3000 in this respect.

In article <n0ba0t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>The Flicker-Fixer was a HACK!

	The saddest part of this argument is that Marc himself has called
the Display Enhancer a "hack" several times on the Net.  I distinctly
remember this because I parodied it in one of my BLAZEMONGER type postings.
He insisted that the chipset itself, not the Display Enhancer, must be
capable of creating non-interlaced high resolution graphics.

	Now look what we have today:  exactly what Marc asked for.  And now
he's reversed his opinion completely.

	Some people are totally consistent in their inconsistency.
I shudder to think of the hundreds of hours Marc has spent writing
hate literature about the Amiga.  Think of all the productive things
one could do instead with a few hundred hours of free time!

	Anyway... I'm going to see an A4000 today.  As an A3000 owner,
something that Marc is NOT and has never been (I believe), I'm interested to
compare the A4000 to my machine.

                                                        Dan
							(no relation)

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: I hold in my hands the CBM 1992 Anual Report....
Date: 09 Oct 92 18:19:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

If you go to page 7 in Commodores 1992 Anual Report you will see
a picture of two "doctors" "using" some "multimedia" software
to learn more about the human spine. If you look closer you will
see that the display on the monitor is backwards, a mirror image.
It is obviously a fake. It is also Microsoft Word for Windows.

Come on C=! If you're gonna fake a picture in your anual report at least
get the software right! At least get a person competent enough
to make it look real, as it stands now it looks like those cheap
ads you see in the newspaper for new TVs where the picture shown on the
TV is so obviously fake you laugh!

This suposed "multimedia" software is running on an miga 3000.
Anybody know where I can get Word for the Amiga? (note for the humor
impaired: this is sarcasm).

Ian.

P.S. Get the Anual report. It's a barrel of laughs... Oh, the official
number of Amigas sold now is up to 3.7 Million (page 2).
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/* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/
/* Waiting for what comes after the A4000! 	*/
/* In the meantime I think I'll pick up a  	*/
/* '486 box...					*/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: 68060...Coming Soon?
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:44:52 GMT

ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:

>jonathan@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (Jonathan F. Zimmitti) writes:

>> 	I've been hearing rumors that Motorola will be announcing the 
>> 68060 on October 15.  Has anyone heard anything else?  Just thought I'd
>> let everyone know.

>What happened with 68050?
>And what will happen at 68070 as there already is a CPU with that name?

 o odd numbers = evolutionary processors

 o even numbers= revolutionary processors

So,now guess what the 68060 will be:-B

Regards...
-- 
Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Toaster on Sci Fi Channel!
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:00:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <hudson.0b67@vsbbs.UUCP> hudson@vsbbs.UUCP (Stefan Hudson) writes:
>Did anyone else notice what looked a LOT like toaster effects on the Sci Fi
>channel's 'Tales from Beyond the Other Dominion' (or something similar) show?

Well, I don't get the Sci-Fi channel :(, but I do get Headline news and
I can't help thinking that those neat new anims that they have - the
satilite in front of the earth, the new intro to the sports segment, etc -
are all Toaster generated, I don't have any basis for this, but it just
SEEMS like it :)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Disclaimer: of course Purdue shares my opinions, they've been brainwashing
me since I've been here.  (For the humor imparied administrators -- :)
From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I found it! An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:34:41 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

 In article <1992Oct16.203132.16117@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Crystal (crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu) wrote:
> : 
> : I found an Amiga advantage, too.  (You're going to have a LONG list!!! :>)
> : 
> : It took my PC THREE HOURS to print disk labels for me.  And all the while I
> : was unable to use the machine.  However, the AMIGA was online through the 
> : modem and I was busily downloading stuff, working in my desktop publisher
> : program and database, playing a game or two to take a break,
> : and listening to mods ALL WHILE THE PC WAS TIED UP PRINTING!!!
> : 
> 
> What, no background raytracing?  I'm disappointed...
>
	What a lame PC, my PC could do that in the background wile
I DID do raytracing in the background.

 
> :
> : Now THAT is an Amiga ADVANTAGE!
> : Let's hear of a PC doing anything NEARLY that productive! 
> : 
> 
> Wrong.  That is an AmigaOS advantage over MS-DOS.  A PC with Windows, OS/2, or
> Unix could easily be that productive (well, you'd need a Gravis UltraSound
> with proper drivers for efficient MOD playback).
> 
> : 
> : *evil, but pleased, snicker*
> : 
> 
> You forgot "uninformed".
> 
> :

	Uniformed is certainly a very nice way of putting it.  Even most
of the most ignorant Amiga users know that even Windows could print
in the background and Windows is a lame multitasker.


> : Crystal
> : 
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> | Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |
> | Drummers do it... | Inc.  Waltham, MA USA | in my book of memories.        |
> |    ... In rhythm! |     (617) 890-2888    |              -- Guns N' Roses  |
> +-------------------+-----------------------+--------------------------------+
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From: kurlberg@elaine8.Stanford.EDU (Par Kurlberg)
Subject: What is SCALA?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Distribution: comp
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:49:48


What is "SCALA" in the A3000+SCALA deal? Software only?
--
Par Kurlberg				Email:kurlberg@leland.stanford.se
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Summary: Ugly
Keywords: Ugly
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:40:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ra.mac1.718648841
Organization: Mississippi State University


 Got my copy of Amiga World today. Well I have to admit this, the A4000
 thats on the cover looks like no computer I have ever seen. Its the ugliest
 of them all. Hell it even has a keyboard lock right in the middle of it, yuck 
 Hell its a big SQUARE BOX, no innovative design that we Amigans are used to.
 How many people share my disappointment ?


Mubashir.
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:21:32 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
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In article <twpzycb@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
[zap]
 
> (I'm still waiting for someone to ask how much the Blazemonger will cost, and
> will the new chip fit in the A1000...)    8)

How much will the new BLAZEMONGER cost, and will it fit into my wristwatch?
 
Glenn Doiron
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From: marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold)
Subject: Amiga advocate chastised by clone user 
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:09:10 GMT

x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.225119.20453@news.unomaha.edu>, marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold) writes:
> > 
> > I invite many clone advocates to my home for the standard graphics/sound/
> > multitasking demonstration on my A500.  Even with a slow processor and a
> > floppy drive based system, I am able to assault them with a non-stop 
> > barrage of jaw-dropping effects.  (Note:  Before you follow up, I feel
> > obligated to say that these Amiga demonstrations do not consist entirely
> > of "euro" demos.)
> > 
> 	Funny you should say that.  My clone with OS/2 and sound card,
> 24 bit color, coprocessed graphics, etc. that costs a lot less
> than an Amiga 3000 (486 based I might add) usually causes Amiga users
> to soil their pants.
> Just be careful about saying it blows away IBM clones, you just
> never know who might be reading.

Oh, I'm sorry for advocating the Amiga; I must be in the wrong newsgroup.
And each time I say something about the Amiga in the future, I'll try to
remember that a clone can do the same thing with 8 times as much RAM and
hardware nearly a decade more advanced.

Shame on me for even still using my A500.  :^)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000, A Marketable Machine?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:26:43 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.06t4@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>re article by Jay Phillips:  But does that "clone of the month" also do
>fast animation at 1024 X 768 X 8 bit, without adding a graphics accelerator
>chip?! I agree, the static graphics capabilities of the 4000 are
>substandard for 1992 personal computers.  However, for dynamic images, the
>machine has it over the
>IBM PC-derived machine architectures, and Macs.

   We'll have to see about that.  Nobody has yet done any benchmarks showing
times for read and writing to and from graphics memory for various types of
SVGA systems and the A4000.  Besides, from what people have said of the 
A4000 from first-hand use, it has the "feel" of a faster-then-average SVGA
card, but that the new local-bus SVGA cards still blow it away.

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From: tsuikki@lut.fi (Teemu Suikki)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:30:29 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Oct6.200056.8964@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>I hear no difference between MODs played on the Amiga and the SoundBlaster.
>Maybe you heard a defective SB?

SB has _ONE_ 8bit D/A channel. Amiga has four of them. When playing Amiga mods
with SB, you have to mix those four channel to one. The result is only SIX bits
per channel. 
You can play 16 channels with Amiga, if you mix four channels to one.
-- 
tsuikki@lut.fi + Fido 2:221/103.2 + Pink Floyd + Amiga500 = Aragorn
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: CDTV vs CD-I, Crap CD-I Golf on Show
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:35:49 GMT

In article <kdarling.719131792@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:

[ ]
>
>Wait a little while.  The full motion video card isn't out yet.

Seems to me I've heard this before! In any case, these are bad economic
times and I doubt that people will spend money on high priced consumer
goods. I kind of suspect that the SNES will have the final say.
>
>That Golf game was one of the very first CD-I titles ever done.
>Some people love it; some don't care for it.  Personal taste, obviously.
>From a technical standpoint, it's interesting because the background
>is a pseudo 24-bit DYUV digitized photo of a real golf course.  The
>golfer is overlaid in 128 colors from the second video subsystem,
>using hardware masking via a Copper-like instruction stream.

Actually, I found it kind of neat. I didn't like Philips' controller.
>
>As time goes by, authors get better at using the hardware; the same
>as with CDTV authors. (You wanna talk about some really poor examples
>of "multimedia"? :^)  In any case, I think you'd agree that a person
>shouldn't make broad conclusions from seeing just one title.

If you really want to see bad multimedia buy an MPC PC. So much hype and so
very little of substance. Both CDTV and CD-I are far about that poor excuse
of a "standard" (which I have).
 
I suspect that CD's will not become popular until prices become reasonable.
People are not fools. The other thing is to get away from the audio CD
specification and have these things output data at a better rate. Every 
CD-ROM, CDTV, CD-I system I've seen has been too slow. Of course, nothing
I have every owned matches the disappointment I found in the so-called
MPC units. A Mac with a CD-ROM player is far better. Microsoft has probably
set back CD's by 100 years.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold)
Subject: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:51:19 GMT

2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> ...now that my 3000 is officially DEAD...
> ...My 3000 is dead but it still... 

I've seen an uneccessarily large number of posters claiming their A3000s
are now either DEAD, ABONDONED, or OBSOLETE.  Why?

I'm confused with the terminology.  I thought that with the recent advent
of the A4000, the A3000 could be called STANDARD while the A4000 be
referred as ADVANCED or SUPERIOR.  On a whole, this is not what I have seen.
Rather, I've seen the new A4000 be called STANDARD while the A3000 is
now called DEAD.

Well, folks, I have heard much talk.  I sugguest those who think the A3000
to be dead... put your money where your mouth is.  I'll meet you over in
comp.sys.amiga.marketplace looking for a good deal on a DEAD machine.
Also, here's a hint when selling your DEAD machine:  don't expect people
to buy your used machine for more than they could purchase one new.

I invite many clone advocates to my home for the standard graphics/sound/
multitasking demonstration on my A500.  Even with a slow processor and a
floppy drive based system, I am able to assault them with a non-stop 
barrage of jaw-dropping effects.  (Note:  Before you follow up, I feel
obligated to say that these Amiga demonstrations do not consist entirely
of "euro" demos.)

My humble A500 demonstration is usually enough to soil the pants of most
clone users.  I never mention the fact that the A3000 is dead or that the
A2000 is even deader or the A1000 is even deader yet!  To say such would
be foolish.  Instead I say, "Like what you see?  This is the low end;
let me tell you about the A4000..." 

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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Workbench 3.0 DataTypes (from c.s.a.misc)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:15:13 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Oct14.135925.17199@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack) writes:
>I have been thinking about the possibilities of C='s new DataTypes.  To say
>the least, the hypothetical implications are staggering!
>...
>So, it will be possible for all drawing software to load all different types
>of raster images (iff, gif, pict, tiff, etc)  As long as there is a DataType.
>How about documents?  Make a FinalCopy II DataType, a PageStream DataType...

	It's interesting how this is sounding similar to what the Mac does
-- every file is "tagged" as belonging to a particular application.  However,
the Amiga's method is better because the file is not *forced* to belong to an
application; it is merely *identifiable* as a data type.

	Data typing on the Mac is one of its greatest features AND its
greatest weaknesses.  I'll be interested to see how/if the Amiga improves
on it.

	[Followups to .advocacy, of course....]

                                                        Dan

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: Ugly
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:50:34 GMT

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>Is the way the computer looks that big a deal?  Sheesh, it is a tool that
>you use, not something to decorate your office with.  I used to keep the
>cover off of my A1000 all the time, but somehow I still managed to get
>things done.  If someone has trouble using a computer because it is not
>pretty, I really feel for them.

  Skip, 

  It may not matter to you, but it does to a lot of people.
I remember reading a survey of the "home" computer-buying market.
The number 2 factor in their buying decision (after price) was
"the appearance of the computer (i.e. colour, shape)".

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 and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:17:14 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Oct7.193633.23984@imada.ou.dk>, micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen) writes:
> 
> The polygon fill in the Amiga blitter is useless because it is so slow, and the
> line drawing really can't be used as a general drawing primitive. (because it 
> lack features like adjustable thickness and patterns). (but for wireframe 3D
> games it might be good?)

	It can do patterns.  See the SetDrMd() function.
> 
>                                                       
> -Klaus
Fred Heitkamp, ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

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