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From: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Think Re: ** NEW AMIGAS **
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <AHANSFOR.92Aug21145450@coal.wpi.edu> ahansfor@coal.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
>We've now heard:
>
>A800, A1200, A2200, A2400, A3400, A4000, A3000+ ,A1000 classic,
>A1000jr

You can add one more thing to the list: CDTV Mark 2.  In August issue
of CU Amiga on page 10 is a short story about a Texas-based Creotec, 
which is selling their CDTV authoring system called VidDISC.  It says:
"The software supports both the CD XL motion video format and the AVM
(DCTV) image format which is expected to appear on the forthcoming
CDTV Mark 2."

>We've probably heard some bits of truth but they have been obscured by
>tons of BS.
>
>Things that are widely seen:
>2.1

I have seen it...

>HD floppies

In July issue of AmigaWorld on page 19 is a A-Max II Plus ad, and there,
near the bottom, in very small print is the following: "Access 1.4 MB
MacIntosh disks with Commodore(r)'s new high density floppy drive."

>040 board (announced)
>
>Now analyzing the above
>
>A600 its real.  $199 possible.  TBD more likely.

On some A600 ad from Commodore they promised software on card and CDTV 
interface "soon".  Must be in mid-September...

>-- Andrew Hansford
>   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:20:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug23.005920.10788@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>My 'fonts disk'?
>I don't own an Amiga, either.
>I own a 386/33 with OS/2 2.0

Ahhh, that explains it! As to your question of what "CG" is. It stands for
"CompuGraphic" or more accuratly "Agfa CompuGraphic Outline Fonts". This
is the outline fonts technology used in AmigaDOS 2.04 and later.

"Fountain" is the compugraphic screen font generator/installer. Although
you don't need to generate screen fonts. The new diskfont.library will
do it on the fly if it is properly supported by the calling application.

And if you think this is not as transparent as TrueType for Windows or Adobe
for OS/2 then you are right, it is not. But it's still pretty damn nice.

BTW, just why are you posting in C.S.A.Advocacy?

Ian.
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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:13:42 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Concerning the BLiTTER:  I <believe> it DOES run concurrently with the CPU,
but I am not absolutely sure.  I will start asking around for the exact
info.

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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:04:41 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development

In article <1992Aug29.210032.19728@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.152935.28954@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>>And that's just wishful thinking.  On both counts.  People aren't
>>"refusing" to sell the 600, and like I said, it's not really that
>>non-compliant.  Nearly every new game will run and most old ones do.
>
>Many people remember Amiga Format magazine news about Amiga dealers
>REFUSING A500+/A600 because many softwear not running.

Many people remember JEFF YOUNG loud pipsqueek ESCAPE from CAGE, no?
Before men in white suits give him SPEAK 'N SPELL TOY!  Bad news, no?

>Not sure if Curry, High Street, JLP, Littlewood, Argos selling A600.

Me not sure if computer world safe from LUDICROUS BARRECIDAL TENDENCIES.

>>_Game_ machines.  Did you see your own mistake?  The A600 is NOT a
>>game machine.  It is a computer intended to be sold to the same market
>>that the C64 sold to, once upon a time.
>
>??? A600 is not game machine??! A600 is selling to SAME people buying
>C64??? You are right!  C64 is BUSINESS machine!! C= designers CHOP
>OFF A600 numberpad because BUSINESS people complaining!

Jeff Young is BUSINESSMAN!  Listen him, he PROFESSIONAL!  (not)

>BUSINESS
>people telling C= to not include clock in A600 because time not
>important!

WHY you COMPLAIN when YOU one RESPONSIBLE??

>Even for hobby machine A600 is poor value because developers now
>like 68030, DSP, SVGA color, SCSI2, LAN, 16 bit stereo, MIDI,....

Neo-Geo more value for money than FALCON!!!  Neo-Geo SCALE, will scale FALCON
FROM FULL SIZE DOWN TO NOTHING!!  Like VAPOR!  Neo-Geo make falcon look
like vapor too so falcons not sell and SNK RULE WORLD!!!!   Neo-Geo sound
SO GOOD DON'T NEED MIDI!  And when at desk with fan CARTRIDGE make GOOD
PAPERWEIGHT!  Not like falcon RAM CARDS or falcon PROCESSOR CARDS or FALCONS -
VAPOR NOT MAKE GOOD PAPERWEIGHT!

>>motherboard signals.  However, unlike the Falcon, those same systems
>>also give you a REAL bus, Zorro II/III.
>
>REAL bus Zorro III and PCMIA have REAL crazy price tag. My prediction..
>A600 will be big flop in America because people NOT REAL stupid.

REAL game machine Falcon have REAL crazy price tag.  Neo-Geo cost HALF as
much and do TEN THOUSAND TIMES MORE!! 

My prediction... Falcon will be big flop all over world because people
stupid, but STILL know better than buy Atari.

(sheesh)
Glenn Doiron
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From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000 Rumors...
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:45:56 GMT
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
Distribution: world
Organization: Sacramento Amiga Computer Club - Sacramento, CA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

I keep hearing rumors of the "new" A4000.  One that has really tweaked my
ear is the rumor of a DSP on the motherboard (or somewhere inside the
machine)  Included in the rumor is the ability to use the DSP as a v.32bis
modem.  Anyone know if this sounds feasible?

Also - I've heard that the A4000 has CPU modules and the actual machine
comes without a processor in it.  You have to decide which processor module
you want included in it.  If this is true, it sounds pretty nifty.  This
particluar rumor sounds wrong, though.  It sounds like someone was reading
a clone magazine and saw an ad for some clone that had this capability
(I've seen some ads that showed these CPU modules) and then formulated it
into an A4000 rumor.


So....anyone else have any juicy stuff they know/have heard about the
A4000?


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:41:15 GMT

ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Sunga Rettaf) writes:
: What are the chances of compatibility with the CPU slot on the Amiga
: A3000 model?  It would be very nice to have the capability to add
: the 040 boards for the A3000 to the Falcon.  Also, is there a way to
: add a Zorro III card cage to the Falcon?  

: 
: Sunga Rettaf

Well, Sunga...  (ahem...  ;)

Sure there is.  As a matter of fact, it should be 100% compatible.
All you have to do is a small motherboard replacement and the slots
are fully compatible with those in the 3000.  That motherboard
replacement will give the Falcon the power that it lacked in the
current release form.  The motherboard replacement should be available
at the same place you'd want to buy the Zorro III and processor slot
expansion cards at, your Amiga dealer...

Greg

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Distribution: world
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:32:42 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <wD7FqB1w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>breaker@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Guy Sisalli) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Aug29.201213.18512@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu 
>>
>> >Many THOUSANDS of music dealers in America so millions of people can take
>> >5 minute drive to buy Falcons. Mail order dealer can send you Falcon
>> >nextday mail too! Many Amiga dealers get big profit from selling Falcon
>> >than A600 so they will carry it for sure.
>> 
>> I beg your pardon?!?!? 8^), MUSIC DEALERS?? CARYING FALCONS?!?!?!?
>> 
>> BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Sorry about that, I haven't had a good laugh in a whil
>> What makes you think that music dealers are going to carry a computer? They
>> don't carry IBM's w/soundblasters, Mac's, or Amiga's(at least, none around he
>> do), and they are most DEFINATLY not going to carry an Atari product.
>
>Guy, you have just earned the distinction of being even more clueless than
>Jeff Young.  The two largest music stores here in Philadelphia, Medley and
>8th Street, are both Atari hardware/software dealers.  As is the largest
>dealer in Boston, E. U. Wurlitzer's (both locations), which also carries Mac
>software and hardware (incl. big monitors, hard disk recording systems, etc)
>and (at last count) Amiga stuff.
>
>You're dead wrong, pal.  But don't let it stop you from flaming people.

It is curious, though, that Werlitzer's doesn't advertise their name under
the computer dealers section in the yellow pages.  And their half page ad
in the musical instruments section of the yellow pages doesn't mention any
computers.  So while they are probably known to people who read music
industry rags, they are not going to get the Atari Falcon into the hands
of the little guy, who just wants to buy a computer without the hassle of
braving the mind-blowing traffic of Boston.

The Bit Bucket still exists, and still has 2 stores.  The fine print in
their yellow pages entry states that they are an Atari dealer, but their
half page ad only lists Apple and high end pc clone products.  Their
recent print advertising has been soley devoted to Apple products.

I will have to go look at the Wurlitzer's in Framingham, but at one time
they had stopped selling any computers.

The public buys what they see in the Sunday advertising circulars.  And
what they see are PC clones.  CompUSA is coming to Framingham, and they
will just reinforce the PC market.

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From: hauer@field.ecn.purdue.edu (Corey Hauer)
Subject: Re: 80,000,000 pc's can't be wrong
Keywords: Learning curves, etc...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:54:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.154855.10826@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.200314.8579@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>If large and fast HDs were expensive I'd agree with you, but they aren't.
>I had a 52M HD on my A3000 originally and guarantee that it was way too
>small to do anything productive.  I've got a 200M drive now with about
>90M free and that space is going fast.  Also, my boss just bought me
>a 486-50 system with 2 235M HDs, 16M RAM, SVGA, ethernet, etc. for less
>than $3500.  Sound like a lot of money until you start pricing Amigas...

I've seen machines like this go for $2500.  Makes an Amiga look STUPID.

It makes the Quadras look stupid too.  But Proferma should make the Amiga look
even MORE stupid on Sept. 15.

-Corey
From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:05:32 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>In article <52689@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

>>	Since this is an Amiga newsgroup, why not distribute files in an
>>acknowledged Amiga format?  I realize that some people who read this group
>>own other computers; but in an Amiga group, I think it's their burden to
>>find an IFF viewer, rather than an Amiga owners' to find a JPEG or GIF or
>>Faces viewer.

>Oh, well, if we do this, count me out.   The only Amiga I know of anywhere
>is at an Amiga/Clone dealer in town.  I don't know how cooperative they'd
>be.

I don't know what this guy's problem is.  I don't even know why he's here
if he doesn't use an Amiga, but I exchange files from time to time with
Mac people, and even a Macintosh can display IFF and HAM files.
-- 
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From: eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: Pournelle (and Byte) strikes again!
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:26:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.105232.10085@enea.se> tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes:

   Ssssch! Don't mention 2.1! What is it? :-)

   Announced!  Or at least sufficiently well announced by Commodore
that its existance is no longer secret.  Details to follow at WoC.

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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:56:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Sep4.065608.3906
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Sep3.150225.18199@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
> Oh, I see.  And you have the divine right to decide what is a kludge and
> what isn't, right Fred?.  Later in your article, you admit that you're not
> too informed about the architecture.  So please, get informed before you
> call it a kludge.
> 
	I think XMS and EMS fits the discription of kludge that someone
	posted.  I believe the definition was from Byte.  Would someone
	repost the definition?  I don't want to paraphrase.

	Jerry, I didn't claim to have any 'divine right' to post here.
	It is becoming obvious that you have a serious problem accepting
	that people can find the Amiga perfectly suitable for their needs
	and don't want to rush out and buy a PC clone because you say 
	PCs are better.

	After reading this you will post a reply to the effect that
	'Show me where I said PCs are better?  Prove it?.' So what?  
	I'm sorry if you took my reply seriously.

	BTW, mister informed genius, if all us lowly uniformed types are
	annoying you, why don't you go play with you PC clone buddies and
	leave this group alone?  Oh yeah, you feel a divine right to set
	us straight. ARE WE PRIVLEDGED OR WHAT? sheesh.


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From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:50:49 GMT
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Fri 21 Aug 92  4:22, campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John
Campbell - CATS) wrote:

 JC-C> To summarize, lets worry about the price issue when it is time.  For
 JC-C> now lets rejoice that the runtime will be free...

Bravo! Good decision! Good decision! If the powers that be at Commodore
keep this up, it could get scary. ;-) 

Couldn't believe it when they tried to sell the runtime for AmigaVision.
Glad they fixed that mistake.



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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: New Amigas _are_ coming
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:22:36 GMT

In article <25512@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>Latest rumours from UK Amiga Shopper say that an '020 based Amiga is due
>before Christmas at a 1000 pound price tag.  At the same time C= have
>halved the price of the A3000 in Britain and cut 100 pounds from the

     I hope Commodore does the same in the US.  Lets see, the A3000 25/2/52
   goes for $2300 around here, so I could get one for $1150. 

>A600.  New Horizons have produced a word processor which supports the AA
>chipset and KS 3.0.  In an interview with C='s UK head it was mentioned
>that a new range of Amigas are going to be released over the following
>18 months starting with 2200 or 2400 (name as yet undecided) at XMas.
>
>PS 1000 UK pounds for an 020 machine with a hard drive and a monitor
>would be relatively cheap over here :-(

     Prices are just to high in the UK.  Doesn't 1000 UK pounds work out to 
  be around $2000 US dollars.  Seems awfully overpriced for an 020 machine.


							G.Greene

>	Mark
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Subject: Re: NEW AMIGAS!
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 06:48:08 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Sep2.143323.4787@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> In article <u894776.715409035@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>>PS: I am only posting this for the folks who may have heard about the new
>>amiga machines... and are dissapointed.
>>
>>James McCoull  u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
> 
> 	Since when is it up to you to decide that people are upset
> about a machine that is not released yet? Did you say the same about the

	Don't flame him for that!  Remember, this is advocacy.  Of course
	everyone will be dissapointed, so we might as well start early
	:-) :-)

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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:23:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.111855.14717@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au
(Colin Adams) writes:

>>IF Amigas with AA selling soon WHY sell 2.1 OS???

>That's the million dollar question.  Possible answers -

[...]

And, maybe:

 o the 2.1 release will be promoted as an Enhancer Kit, as it is primarily
   Workbench-related and can utilize the existing 2.0 ROM, without need for
   the 3.0 Kickstart. New machines will require 3.0 for additional hardware
   support.

Mark

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 21:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.195138.4305@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>cheap.  Do you know how much the 386SX BBs cost?
>I hard that they were going to be sold for MSRP of $700.00.  Then my dealer
>said that the Commodore rep called and asked if they lowered the price to
>$400.00, would they sell a great deal more.  He replied positively and is
>waiting to hear of a price reduction.  I don't really know what the price
>is today...
>
>I'll tell you, if they offer a 386SX BB for $400.00, I will break down and
>find the cash to buy one! :)

Wouldn't it be great if some whiz-bang (VERY sarcastic here)
seller the the BB would sell some models with the drop-in
Cyrix 486SLC? :)

Wow, an Amiga 3000T /040 with a Cyrix 486SLC BB would one helluva
machine!

>John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet:     hfsi!ata@UUNET.UU.NET
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