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From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:51:04 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

Would *someone* please stop teasing about this damned catalog and post how to get
one?  My wife and I are confined to a nasssty small town and need diversion.

gratuitous indecent displays in return...

Please?
Roy?
David?
Mike?

come-on... Please?

grovel grovel grovel

*smile innocence*
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: This has probably already been asked...
Organization: Rational
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:47:15 GMT


>In <Bxt6FG.L9q@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>>I have only experienced shit from the gay community.  Usually, it is along the
>>lines of "Oh girl! >>>I _HATE_ that!<<< Quit lying and admit that you're a fag
>>like the rest of us.  Why do you want to pretend to like fucking women,
>>anyway..." or something distressingly similar to that.
>
>Obviously you've been very unlucky, since that isn't the experience of the
>other posters in this thread.


I just wanted to say, like I have said before on this thread, that I have
experienced shit from the gay community.  I know many other bi`s who have
as well.  In fact I would say that what js has experienced is fairly 
typical.

Iseult.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,alt.polyamory
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Ottawa Bisexual Meeting
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:41:48 GMT




 ----------------------------
 \   Nobody knows I'm bi!   /
  \                        /
   \ Ottawa Bisexual Meet /
    \    Nov. 22, 6pm    /
     \     Maxwell's    /
      \    340 Elgin   /
       \     info     /
        \  596-6099  /
         \ 828-5890 /
          \        /
           \      /
            \    /
             \  /
              \/


  Bi's, Bi-friendlies and
    Bi-curious welcome.


Sorry about the cross-posting, but I wanted to make sure
those that might be interested would at least get wind
of it.


    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Ignore These Rantings
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:40:19 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu


Yes, I realize quite probably a big contributor to my mood is my
(approximately) 28.5 hours without sleep.  As I said, you should have
ignored these ...

I'm just really sick and fuckin' tired of all these friends I have who I
care for deeply getting so damn stepped upon by people around them, or by
societal standards, or by other things that they have no control of ...

Last week it was a dear friend of mine who I care for deeply suspecting he's
gay because he was in sexual situations with 2 (that's _2_ ... I haven't
forgotten any zeroes) women and he just wasn't really interested in sex ...
just nude cuddling ... And this stupid, asinine, societal standard that says
that if you're nude with a woman, you _must_ want to have sex with her, and
you're gay otherwise ...

And this week it's another friend of mine, a woman who I care about very
much, getting rather heavily betrayed by someone she trusted and being
convinced that she'll never find her Right Male Top ... 

Fuck ... why is it that all the people who I personally think deserve to get
some of the best and deepest happiness in life are the ones who generally
end up being screwed by the assholes, or by this society? 

*sigh* And it was shaping out to be such a pleasant week, even ... 

Ignore me.  It'll pass.

-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu             rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
"Why do you guys all have to have penises?" -anon
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."
From: max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Hello again (I'm baaaaaaaaaack...kinda)!
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:12:51 GMT
Organization: The Planet Zog.


	Enormous group *HUG*s to all those so inclined (or reclined...)
	I'm back at Drew, my alma mater (wow, it's weird being an alum, not 
a student), for the weekend, and this is just about the only time I have 
Net access. *pout*
	Hi to Kevin, Graham, Tom, Ciaran, Sara, Ellen, Elf, Kay, Albert, 
Tanaqui, any other person I forgot to remember, and all the recently 
de-muffined.  I missed all you in Net-land!  
	Quick note, if anyone cares: I'm currently working on my Emergency 
Medical Technician certification, and hope to be working for New York City 
EMS in the spring.  Does anyone know if there is a glb Emergency Medical 
worker's group?  There's a Gay Nurses group at the Gay and Lesbian 
Community Center in NYC, but it's not quite the same.
	BTW, Tom, any progress on a gay alumni group here at Drew?
	If anyone wants to contact me, please finger me (obligatory pun 
here) for info on how to get in touch with me.  Email here will be checked 
erratically and sporadically.
	Also, for those in NYC: I'm also working occasionally as a Peer 
Educator for the AIDS Center of Queens County.  It's a City office, but 
its still doing good work.
	Oh, one more thing: I've started working with a lot of local g/l/b 
groups, but many are g&l only, at least in name.  Should I wait until I've 
become a fixture there to push for inclusion?  Its really in name only, 
since they all know I'm bi, and the programs are usually queer-inclusive.
	Call or write, or I'll try to read the responses somehow.
	I really miss y'all! (sorry, I have a lot of friends from 
<drawl=on> down south <drawl=off>)
	Hugs, massages, cuddles, etc (lots of that, too),

		-Max

Max Handelsman		            |  DON'T assume I'm __________.
MAX@DRYCAS.{CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU,BITNET} | "An it harm none, do what thou wilt."
				    | "By any means necessary"
HarveyMilk MalcolmX Gandhi GloriaSteinem HLMenken MLKing MotherTeresa
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:04:51 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

Dealing with people who talk too much or dominate a meeting is never
easy.  However, we found a solution.

One thing that we did with Bi Net / NJ was adopt "Koosh Rules" at our
discussion group meeting.  You know what a koosh is, right?  One of
those colorful rubber-band ball things?  Well, Koosh Rules are very
simple.

1 -- only the person with the koosh can talk.

2 -- when you are done talking, people raise their hand and you throw
the koosh to someone else.

3 -- only the moderator can interupt, and only tell remind people that
they're talking too long.  (rarely happens)

We've found that people that can't stand the koosh system tend to be
the people that want to dominate the meeting.  So far they've all
either learned to put up with it or don't come to the meetings.

I highly recommend it to other groups.

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Higgy higgy forward, higgy higgy higgy higgy higgy shake!  Yeeaaah!"

1004211322700352222
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Looking bi? (was Re: coming out to my parents)
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:50:59 GMT

In article <MUFFY.92Nov19110608@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>
>I figure that I *should* "look bi" if I go around with a man on one arm
>and a woman on the other...*grin*...and it's *fun*, too!  Unfortunately,
>having done this, I find that people *still* tend to take that as "a man
>with two women (wink wink nudge nudge)," even when *I* am in the middle.
>Bleah again.
>
>Muffy

Ya know, this happened to me when I went to the gay pride parade one year
with a man (gay) and a woman (lesbian).  A bum on the street (female)
hollered to the man, "you got two girls, lucky guy!"

You just can't win.


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:00:45 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

In article <s882916.721962102@otto>, s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
|>  Hmm this subject has always been kind of interesting to me. My sister is
|> also bi and has hinted at it to my mum and my mum took it just fine. In fact
|> my friend had a party and my mum came along and there was a lesbian there
|> who said to my mum" Your daughter is gorgeous and I'm really attracted to her"
|> My mum replied " thank you. I think she's lovely too" So if I ever get a 
|> female lover in the same city as my mum I'd tell my mum. (I hope!)
|> 
|> AS for my dad......... well I didn't tell him iwas married until 6 months 
|> later, I don't tell him anything about my life. In fact I very rarely talk to
|> him except to argue so I won't tell him I'm bi. But if he did know I couldn't
|> care less about his opinion.
|> 
|> Being married is a very easy way to hide. All my friends know that I'm bi.
Yes, easy.  But, can be dangerous to your mate if your heart is not really in the
marriage to begin with.  A VERY  VERY  VERY bad thing to *use* someone.  Careful
about that kind of thing...

|> When I told one friend that I make love with women he replied, "Well we all
|> need our little flings!!!!" Needless to say I don't see him very often. I
|> don't try to hide behind my marriage, but people assume I'm straight. I find myself constantly justifying why I married " He's American. i needed a GReen Card
Are you married or not?  

|> etc etc." Plus everyone says I don't look like  a dyke!!!???!!!!!! And this is
|> Dykes who say this. 
|> 
|> Oh well, who cares what others think and assume? Actually I just recently had
|> a relationship with this VERY straight gut. I told him about my wonderful lover, how we meet, what she does, how i miss her etc. But he was mostly interested in the sex parts. HOw gross. Needless to say we are no longer together. Good!

Don't you just HATE it when people find your sex life tittlating enough to not
want to talk about *anything* else about your bi-ness?!

*hugs*
js
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This has probably already been asked...
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:23:39 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

[hope this post makes it off-site this time...]

winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
>>>Why is the lack of acceptance from the gays as bad as the lack of
>>>acceptance from the hets?
>>
>>As an analogy: hurt often hurts more if it comes from a friend or
>>family member rather than from a stranger.
>>
>>So, as a bisexual person, I can expect to get shit from straight people.
>>To me, the straight people are "strangers" in the analogy. When a GL
>>person (who are "family") gives me shit, it hurts much more than
>>*comparable* [1] shit from a straight person.
>
>My turn.
>
>I have only experienced shit from the gay community.  Usually, it is along the
>lines of "Oh girl! >>>I _HATE_ that!<<< Quit lying and admit that you're a fag
>like the rest of us.  Why do you want to pretend to like fucking women,
>anyway..." or something distressingly similar to that.

Obviously you've been very unlucky, since that isn't the experience of the
other posters in this thread. Personally, I have only experienced shit from
the straight community (and very little of that, for which I count myself
lucky). I have many gay friends, and I've had gay lovers, who have not the
slightest problem with my bisexuality.

>  BTW,  I *really* hate it
>when gays get too liberal with passing out the "girl" shit.  (if you hadn't
>noticed.)

Haven't heard this. You must know the wrong gay men.

>  Back on the subject,  the reason I am getting in on this is that I
>identify very much with what Mike just said about "alien communities."  I can't
>put my finger on exactly *how* the straight world feels alien, but it has
>something to do with having to keep a low profile on proclivities. (sp?)

Well, I think as long as no-one is actively oppressing you, it's fair
enough not to feel part of the straight or gay communities; after all, the
bi community (if you believe in such a thing, unlike at least one poster
here) is clearly different. I do agree with David and Ciaran, though, that
oppression from the gay community *does* hurt more, for more or less the
reasons Ciaran gave.

>js


/jon

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: safarj@jec315.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Get together in Boston area?
Summary: Looking to arrnge a brunch, or lunch.
Keywords: Boston Meeting
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:29:47 GMT

 Well, I'll be heading homewards over the few days I have off next week,
and I would certainly like to meet many of you whom I know reside in and
around the area... If anyone would like to get together a lunch, or maybe
a dinner?  I know some great places right by Coolidge Corner... <Grin>

 Anyhow, if you may be interested, or maybe in just arranging to stop by
or whatnot, email me at safarj@rpi.edu, and lets get something together.

 Look forward to hearing from you!

-Jonah (aka Points)
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
Jonah E. Safar             R.P.I., Troy, NY              EMail to:safarj@rpi.edu
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gender-specific needs
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:00:47 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <1ejv9vINNcgh@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>I've been outta circulation for more than a while, and don't think I ever
>knew (in the first place) how to hint to a motss.
>
Hey, I don't think I ever knew how to hint to a member of *any* sex.  Not
the sort of thing they ever teach you at school, and being the innocent
little thing I am, not something I ever learnt through experience.  I
would guess that (tentative) querying of their sexuality might be a good
enough hint (unless it's already obvious, in which case you'd probably
look a bit stupid....)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: demuffining at last....
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:33:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.163147.19027@calvin.edu> dsuchy19@calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:
>>Yo Dawn! Yeah, you! Unix wiz! Get on over here :)
>
>	That was bi UNIX hacker top, I think, thank you very much!

Ah - that reminds me - I've just finished writing a unix spell(1) clone
for the 386bsd project, and the next job is to do a version of ispell
that shares the same compressed dictionaries...  

I think I'll call it... 'bispell' :-)

G
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:24:36 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>In article <1992Nov18.153149.23717@ctp.com> sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:
>>Okay, so here's a question - why is it that gays and lesbians seem to
>>believe that every one who is *not* het shouldn't *look* het.  I know, I
>>know, it's yet another way of openly declaring one's sexuality, just like the
>>T-shirts and pins etc.  But why is it that we are seen as somehow *wrong*,
>>or at least not serious about being lesbigay if we look just like the
>>average het on the street?  I mean really!  I look like the average
>>girl-next-door, and quite frankly, that's also the kind of woman I am
>>attracted to.  I don't believe that makes me any less bi than someone who
>>"looks" lesbigay.

True, but it makes the process of finding other bifolk a heck of a lot
easier.  When I'm interested in a man, it's nice to have some clues
a priori that I'm a MOTAS for him before I approach him.  Much more
convenient if he's wearing a pin or acts a little swishy or whatever.

Hugs to all!     =>Steve<=


-- 
Steve Rowe: B0 f- w- c g+ k+ s- e+ r-
     These folks who don't believe in evolution
are the ones who look the most like they could use some.
                                   -Frank Allison
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:18:08 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


 
     You know, I've been enjoying this thread.  My C-code tends to 
be well-written enough, and yet hacky enough, that I can chuckle 
at things like:
 
}|}|1)   You need to include <stdio.h} if you're using printf
}|}   Not necessarily.
}|Rubbish.
}|"spong.c": line 34: Warning - inventing "extern int printf"
}
}   My, what an amusing error message.  Note, though, that not every
}compiler feels that it's necessary to complain about perfectly
}valid C code.
}
}|Oh, I am assuming that you are 
}|(a) using a good compiler and (b) using an ANSI
}|compliant compiler (see (a)).
}   Bit of an paradoxical thing, that, and not possible in the Real
}World(tm)
 
     But then I saw this:
 
}   david parsons \bi/  Who even uses goto in his C code.
                                      ^^^^
                                      !!!!
 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGHH!!!!!!!!
 
(It's not fun any more!  I'm frightened!)  8-(
 
/---\ /---\ /=   /   ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
  =     =    = /    "Home is a place that keeps the rain off my computer"
  =     =    = \     B0 f- t+ w- g k s- m+ r- p-(++)     ______
  =     =    =   \                      silence = death   \bi/
                                                           \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells)
Subject: Re: Gender-specific needs
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:46:43 GMT

In article <1ejv9vINNcgh@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>
>|>  Anyway, let me know how things work out--I'm a teeny bit jealous
>|> you found her before I did! Oh, and, <raises hand timidly> how do you
>|> about letting a motss know you're attracted to him or her? I really have
>|> no clue (but Elf can confirm my cluelessness, I think (-;)
>
><also timidly raises hand>
>I've been outta circulation for more than a while, and don't think I ever
>knew (in the first place) how to hint to a motss.  Is it different with
>men versus women?

Okay, this really struck a chord with me.  I don't know if it's different
for men than women, but I know from experience that it is hell for a man.
(at least from my perspective)  There is a really nice, very attractive
guy who does the yardwork at my apartment complex, and I was attracted to
him almost instantly.  I have lived there for over 2 years, and I have yet
to figure out a way a) to express this to him, or b) to feel even reasonably
sure whether or not the feelings are mutual.

I get all kinds of mixed signals from him . . . there are times he really
seems to be holding eye contact a little too long, or seems a little too
interested in making a conversation out of a 'hello' for there to not be
any attraction, but then there are times when it seems he is just really
really friendly to everybody and I am having a big-time case of wishful
thinking.  It's damn frustrating.   >:-#

But right now the whole question is irrelevant, because it seems another
person has swept me off my feet . . . but I think it will always kind of
be a question lingering in the back of my mind.

The biggest inhibiting factors here are a) he is part of the apartment
staff, and if he is a paranoid straight man then he might say/do things
to make life at that complex complicated for me, and b) he is a big man,
probably around 6'2" and very muscular, so if I caught him on a bad day
he could very well decide to break something on my body.  (ouch)

Hope I'm not jumping into the middle of a thread several days after it
has already died, and everyone else has forgotten about it . . .

Darren


>
>*huggles*
>js
From: un032230@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bisexual opinion by my friend
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:49:50 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <BxKFx4.9Ip@news.udel.edu>, jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll) writes:
> Well, that certainly doesn't do much to improve the image of West
> Virginians!
> 
> (To those outside of the U.S., WVians are stereotyped to be stupid hicks
> that inbreed.  "West Virginia: one big happy family.")
> 
> -James 
> -- 

PLease allow me to attempt to make up for my fellow statesman.  *I* happen
to be very much into the idea that West Virginian's are a friendly bunch.
*hug*

See?
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm)
Subject: Re: demuffining at last....
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:49:24 GMT

nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:

>*BACK-RUB!!!*

>Ah yes. A *champion* of a pastime. Anyone here volunteering for me to
>learn the skill upon? :)

Um, I have no need. MY boyfriend really likes giving massages, and I
really like having them. We actualyl take it in turns giving a back rub
to each other. And it is wonderful to meet someone my own height! (5'2")

Daz.

--
  Darren (Dazza) Primm, Dept EE Eng, Melb Uni, Parkville, 3052, Australia
 "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish, sometimes."
   Internet: daz@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au  [dazza@ecr.mu.oz.au]  IRC: Family

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: Wanderer Returns
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.162812.28325@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <ZEN.92Nov16154214@death.corp.sun.com> zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
>>  Isn't worldcon (sci-fi convention) supposed to be out there in a year
>>or two?  
>>
>Glasgow, '95.  
>
The important and relevant factlet that I missed out last time is that
Samuel Delany is going to be Guest of Honour....

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\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi