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From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Klinon Who CARES!! (RE: Deep Space Nine)
Organization: CSG Group
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:43:00 GMT

In article <711662259449@neptune.mcs.anl.gov> deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms.
Jennifer L. DeBoer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.082755.14506@reed.edu> odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
writes:
>>Sean Duncan writes:
>>> Uh, sorry...  It's *Kronos*.  Why do people keep making this simple
mistake?
>>
>>  Because in the TNG episode "Heart of Glory," the Klingon homeworld is 
>>  referred to several times as "Kling."
>
>I always thought it was "Klinzai", but I can't remember from where.  A book,
>I think.
>
WHO THE HECK CARES!!!

I am so sick of the silly little arguements on this board!

Look at the facts:

1) In ST VI the Main Klingon planet is referred to as Kronos.  That is for
   sure.  It however, was dying and WOULD BE EVACUATED due to the explosion
	  the moon.

2) In STTNG the Main Klingon planet is referred to the Klignon Home World.  
   This is most obviously A DIFFERENT PLANET THAN IN TOS OR ST I-VI since 
   Kronos would have had it's atmosphere destroyed by the time of TNG!  

   Some of you can't seem to realize this fact.

3) Even if Kronos, Kling, Klingon Homeworld, etc. are all names for the same
   place, don't we have different names for our own planet (i.e. Earth, 
   Terra, The Big Blue Marble, etc.)

Deal with this stuff.  It's an old worn out debate.  Besides, who cares?  I
think some of you don't know the line between fantasy and reality!


jon

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From: michael_robbins@mentorg.com
Subject: Re: Chief O'Brien's Rank  (more)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:45:46 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation

Just to add more gasoline to the fire, I recently saw the episode where Darwin
station had some renegade antigens (Unnatural Selection I think).

In the episode it is fairly clear that (Smiley Miley) O'Brien is an officer. 
Two quick points: 

1. He was at JL Picards staff meeting to discuss the (wicked) Doctor's
scenario.  He was with Worf, Riker, Troi, and Geordi (maybe others).  This
obviously was not the "let's invite the ship and discuss it type meeting" -- It
had only department heads (and I think O'Brien works for Gerodi down the
road...).

2. Later, when JL had an idea that would require some computer adjustments,
O'Brien turns to an Ensign and said something like "you heard the man, let's
get to it" and to which the reply was "yes, sir".

I guess we will all find out soon enough what the answer is, though I think the
trading cards put the nail in the cofin.

Mick
(michael_robbins@mentorg.com)
From: Scott Gorcey <scottgor@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon home world
Keywords: Klingons
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:30:14 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes:

> 
>     I got the impression, either from the old series, or one of the early
>     novels, that the name of the Klingon home would is, "Klingus".
> 
>         	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
     You didn't get that from the old series.  The only time in
     the Pocket novels that the Klingon Homeworld was named (as
     I remember) was in the John Ford novels (and those novels
     that were then allowed to use "his" Klingons - like DWELLERS
     IN THE CRUCIBLE).  Ford's name for the homeworld was Klin Zhai,
     as good a name as any in my book (and his, naturally), and
     infinitely better than Kling.
     Naturally, strict new licencing arrangements prohibbit the
     novels from making these kinds of claims now.
     /s

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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: I know it's summer, but where's the FAQ?
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:19:10 GMT

			If someone has the latest version of this list's FAQ,
could they please e-mail it to me? Or better yet, could they show me to an FTP
site that has the most current version somewhere? 

						-Chris 
				                 ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu

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Fiction... submissions BY SNAIL MAIL ONLY are cheerfully and rather 
gratefully accepted, though letters of inquiry by email are fine.
For info on the magazine, e-mail to address above... to submit, send with 
SASE to UpComing, Box 566, Hampshire College, Amherst, Mass., 01002, 
USA.
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Endless whining about consistency
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.002224.25599@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
|> 
|> Look, I've been reading a good deal of these posts.  There has been
|> a lot of rambling about why the Klingon's heads are bumpy now and
|> they weren't before, not to mention a few other things.  I have only
|> one thing to add....
|> 
|> GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!!!
|> 
|> Jesus Christ, you'd think people would realize that TOS was on a 
|> budget.  The production values weren't that high to begin with.  They
|> let William Shatner keep doing the show didn't they?
|> 
|> I mean really, so what if the heads are bumpy now.  Don't you have 
|> any imagination at all?  Trying to come up with explanations for
|> the difference is silly.  They're trying to make the show a little
|> better now by sprucing up the characters.  
|> 
|> There are any number of inconsistencies between, TOS, TFS, and TNG.
|> Harping on each them is a colossal waste of time.  
|> 
|> There are some other interesting discussions about Data's doings in
|> TA.

Well, if you don't like it, don't read it.  

I always thought the reason for non-bumpy Klingons in TOS was
because 1) TOS didn't have the budget and 2) Because the NBC producers thought it
was way too weird for their viewers.  (They wanted to have Spock show up without
makeup because they thought viewers would be scared or repulsed by him)

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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:47:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.160120.10156@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
>>In article <7123569413051@neptune.mcs.anl.gov>, deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) writes...
> 
>>>For one thing, I think the new First Officer should be a woman.  All of
>>>the senior officers in *Command* are male:  Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, and
>>>Worf.  The only 2 female bridge officers are a counselor and a doctor:  both
>>>are in "caring" roles.  Don't get me wrong; I think that Dr. Crusher and Troi
>>>are fine characters, but I would like to see a woman in a command role.  After
>>>all, this is the 24th century; with all their talk about equality, don't you
>>>think the bridge crew should reflect those values?
>>> 
> 
> Oh no!!!  Not more quotas.  PCism strikes TNG once again.  Next someone will
> complain that there are no hispanics on the E.  (Of course, that may be
> explained by saying that they were all killed in the second holocaust of the
> Eugenics Wars or something like that.)
> 
> Come off it.  We don't need to worry about the gender of the major officers.
> Just hire the best person (actor/actress) for the job and forget about it.
> 
> --PC

I can't tell by your sig, but I suspect you're male.  Either that, or you're
living on another planet.  Since ST is filmed in present day, you'd better
believe there's discrimination going on.  Marina Sirtis,  who I saw at a con,
made the comment that 90 percent of female guest stars were hired for their
bust-size, not their talent.  This may explain some of the complaints about
bad acting.  There was an implication that she knew her own bust size had 
something to do with her getting the job.  If we could trust the casting 
dirctors to hire the "best person (actor/actress) for the job, perhaps we
COULD forget about it.  Some of us get a bit irate at being accused of being
"PC" just for asking to be INCLUDED in a meaningful way.  Oh well, at least
Riker's as big a bimbo as any of the women.  There's equality there, if not
on the bridge.

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet:matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: klingon home world na
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:05:17 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>This is a minor quibble.  If anyone out there has access to the movie,
>puh-LEEEZE get the EXACT QUOTES where Kronos was mentioned.  We can
>settle once and for all whether it is EVER explicitly stated that that
>is the name of the homeworld, or if we instead are arguing over a m,inor
>point that cannot be answered one way or another.

You are absolutely right that they never ACTUALLY said it was Kronos in
TUC.  Here's what I gathered:

The Commander-In-Chief: The Klingon Empire has roughly fifty years of
life left to it.

Spock: Two months ago, a Federation starship monitored an explosion on
the Klingon moon Praxis.  We believe it was due to overmining and
insuficiant safety precautions.

Spock: We have volunteered to meet with the ship that is bringing
Chancellor Gorkon here, and to escort him safely through Federation
space.

Gorkon: (on viewscreen) This is Kronos One

Valeris: But we can't let them be taken back to Kronos as prisoners!

Colonel West: We've prepared Operation Retrieve based on the rising
dangers of terrorism between the Klingon Empire and the Federation.
Sir, we can go in and rescue the hostages and be out in 24 hours with an
acceptable rate of loss in manpower and equipment.  We have the
technology to...

Mind you, Col. West was showing graphs of a planet.


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From: pinkney@spot.Colorado.EDU (PINKNEY PAUL CHRISTIAN)
Subject: Re: Take 2 aspirin & call me in......
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:43:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.152824.6598@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes:
>matthews_K@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>
>>In article <7944@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.e>du (Jason W. Hinson) writes:
>>> It had nothing to do with the particular song. It was just the fact that
>>> it was continually playing in her head. Nothing she could do would stop
>>> it. It was even there while she slept.  That could drive anybody crazy.
>>>  
>>> -Jay
>>
>>It must have been the dreaded "It's a Small World After All."  Having that
>>song in your head is probably the worst torture known to mankind!
>>:-)
>
>Ahhhhhhhhh!  It won't stop!  Please make it stop!
>
>I remember being stuck on the ride through the magic castle at
>Disneyworld with that song palying over, and over, and over for
>about twenty minutes.  I wanted to jump out of the boat screaming!
>

Major, walloping, "16-ton weight" ditto!!!!  After that, I really
know how Troi may have felt. >(

>				Schmeby
>					    mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca
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>


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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What's Babylon 5?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:12:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Babylon 5 is a new show being produced as part of a consortium of stations
by Warner Bros.  It will debut in Feb '93.  I've been posting info on the 
show that comes from the keyboard of the creator/executive producer of
the show, J. Michael Straczynski.  One of the main characters will be someone
familiar to ST:TNG watchers (Andreas Katsulas - The Romulan Tomalak).
A lot of Star Trek fans seem to be looking forward to B5 more than DS9 and
I've been posting the info to r.a.s.c to keep people up to date on it.
From: kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Putting minor errors in perspective...
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:26:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Jul28.162111.16154@gvl.unisys.com> joes@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Joe Schulingkamp) writes:
>I believe some astronomers maintain that, because of the relative sizes
>of the Earth and Moon, the Earth/Moon system is really a double planet
>system.  A true moon would be much smaller that its primary (Jupiter
>and its moons) and not have much effect on its orbit.  The Earth
>and Moon, if I recall, actually orbit a point that is located
>somewhere inside the Earth but not at its center.
>

It's all semantics really.  The Earth/Moon was refered to as a double planet
because no other planet/moon system had moons that were so large compared to
the planet.  (No figures but the Moon's a sixth of the Earth's diameter in 
diameter.)  The next closest ratio was something like sixty to one when you
compare Jupiter to its Galilean moons.

Of course this was until Pluto's moon Charon was discovered around 1976 and
it was found that Charon was (again no figures) 1/4-1/3 the size of Pluto
and was orbiting it at an extremely close range.

Anything orbiting a large mass like a planet will displace the center of the
orbit (baricenter).  The effect will become noticeable of course only with
only larger objects.

>How's that for some CoverYourA__?  :-)
>
>Maybe some of the REAL astronomers out there can help.
>Is Tim Lynch still out there?
>
>
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From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: Re: Guinan's History (Hi
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:08:48 GMT

Here is my pet theory (that was proposed by my friend Dave Martin):  Guinan
and Q were once married.  Trelaine (from the original series) is their son.
Their divorce attourney is Arnie (the other Q).  Guinan has a certain power
because she has a restraining order keeping Q away from her which could get
Q "thrown in jail" if she were to tell.

But to "seriously" answer the question
gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
: In article <20JUL199209284587@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>, smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:
: 
: > I have a feeling that Guinan has one of two things that make Q afraid
: > of here, but that cant help her people defend themselves.
: > 2) Guinan has extremely powerful mental powers.  This is effident in 
: > Yesterday's E, where she realizes that the timeline is not correct.  The powers
: > may include some kind of time control, or can disrupt the energy of the Q.
: > Either way, she has yet to show this...
: > 
: 
: Oh, really?  But yuo'd think that after *5* visits, and her *close* friend
: Picard's distressed reactions to same, Guinan would have come to the point, by
: now, where she is more than ready to *stick* it to Q big time!
: 
The relationship between Guinan's people, the Borg and the Q could be like
the relationship of "rock, paper, scisors."  Guinan's power over the Q may
very well be as stated above.  However, as I read in some other article,
the writers probably don't even know.

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From: smargari@nmsu.edu (Susan Margarit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Cause & Effect:  2 questions
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:01:39 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

We just saw the rerun of Cause and Effect tonight and wanted to ask 2
questions of fellow net trek readers:

My question:  Did the enterprise crew die each time they went through
the loop, and if so, how would you explain how they were "resurrected"?

My husbands question:  How come on a ship of over 1000 persons, were
there only 5 couples "getting it on" (so to speak)? :)  :)  :)

Susan (nosig) Margarit
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:46:03 EDT
From: <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard Family Accent

FYI, most Europeans & Asians who learn English as a second language learn
to speak it with elegant British accents.  Not only because most of their
teachers are English, but because it's thought to be more desirable than, say,
a Pennsyltuckey accent.  This trend is obviously still going strong in the 24th
century.
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From: lbarnes@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Laura L. Barnes)
Subject: Patrick Stewart on Arsenio 7/23/92
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:50:28 GMT


Patrick Stewart will be on The Arsenio Hall Show this evening.  Heard the
announcement on last night's show.  If I'm wrong due to reruns, flame away!

Laura
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:18:21 GMT

matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) writes:
>>
>> For one thing, I think the new First Officer should be a woman.
>
>Absolutely!  I've been bothered by the lack of women on the command track
>aboard the Enterprise since TNG began.  Shelby was ok, but I'd rather 
>see someone along the lines of the captain from Yesterday's Enterprise. 

I'll agree there, and sometimes wish that they offed Ryker instead of
Yar (although I do like Ryker).  Actually, they could have kept the
entire original cast and had some good stories that way, with Yar as
Number One, Ryker as a third executive officer like MacDuff (?) in
"Conundrum", Worf as Security, etc.  I've always felt that by putting
in Shelby, somebody wondered what it would have been like with Yar as
first officer ... she had her own troubled past that could have led to
some good stories ...

gld
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Subject: Re: DS9 and Babylon 5
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:15:20 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Jul26.021910.3873@nmsu.edu>, rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) writes:
> Well, I just hunted for this group today after hearing rumours of the
> Deep Star 9 series that was to start up soon.
> 
> After looking around on here, I noticed references to Babylon 5, which I 
> have never heard of before.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. When is DS9 proposed to start?

January.

> 2. Is Babylon 5 also in the Star Trek theme?

Not from what I hear.  Similar enough to DS9 that people have started saying
that DS9 is ripping Babylon 5 off, but B5 should be much more eerie and
realistic.

> 3. Why don't we see Q anymore?

We will in the first few episodes of the 6th season. 

> 4. Will there ever be a Star Trek movie that doesn't include Kirk, Bones,
>    Spock, and the likes of the old crew?  Why beat a dead horse?  Paramont
>    has a nice set up going here... I want to see more!

No one knows.  It's what everyone wants and expects, but nothing has been
finalized yet (ST:TNG might even go into a 7th season.)

> 
> 
> --
> 
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From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Subject: Re: Other 24th Century TV Shows
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.172443.24770@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:
>There is a 24th century TV series I just discovered called 'Logan's Run'.
>There seems to be a minor similarity here and there between itself and Star
>Trek and other SF as well. For instance, they have a hand weapon that shoots a
>blue beam and can be set for stun, blast, or kill...(sound familiar). I saw an
>episode where there were a group of people who used a machine to split
>themselves apart into good and evil sections (remember the ST:TOS episode) and
>it even looked a little like a transporter. There was another episode where
>a different group of people actually had some sort of transporter technology.
>Also they have an android. It was never mentioned if he is positronic or not,
>but I would be willing to bet that he follows the 3 laws! In one episode he
>indirectly killed a human to save 3 others and was rambling on about having
>violated the 1st law...Proof enough for me. Does anyone else know more about
>this show than I do? I just discovered it last week on a cable channel and
>don't know very much about it.
greetings,

	the show was hokey compared to the book or even the movie. if you can get
	the book, you wont be dissapointed. the movie you can rent just about
	anywhere. they added the android in the series because you never saw them
	in the movie and the only androids mentioned in the book were nursery
	droids. they give and excellent history/future of the little war where
	the sleep shops go into effect and the first DS (deep sleep aka sandman)
	units go into effect.

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