Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:47:32 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                               noo joisy
                            I hate gay men.
            here are the missing states on Senate roll call
       universities on anti-discrimination and domestic partners
                         "Born that way" Debate
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6
                               SOC.MOTSS
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6
                              At the Quilt
                         Country Western Dance
                             Freedom Rings
                          subscription request
                  'Innocent Victims' grab AIDS dollars
                        ponderings on the debate

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: noo joisy
Distribution: local
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:59:20 GMT

HARKINS@Butler.EDU writes:

>Even though I'm from Indiana, I must raise my hand in favor of sparing
>Joisy. Whatever faults the state may have, it IS the home of the
>worshipfully innovative drum corps the Cadets of Bergen County. They
>should certainly be allowed to live.

AND they are a Queer free state [they have a gay rights law as well as no
sodomy law] We need more states like that!

I vote to spare Joisy, too.

-
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"We oppose efforts to include sexual preference as a protected minority
receiving preferential status under civil rights statutes at the Federal, state
and local level." --1992 Republican National Commitee campaign platform.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: I hate gay men.
Distribution: local
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:56:11 GMT

"Iguana Man Hokan (Sandone, J. T.)" <SANDONE@DICKINSON.EDU> writes:


>I know that someone had requested this article, and since I have it, I
>thought that i would pass it on.  All typos are mine.

<I Hate Gay Men> deleted.

Do you also awnt to type in the text of ``Leave My Body On The White House
Steps''?

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Yes, you can get AIDS from a mosquito...*IF* you have unprotected
receptive anal intercourse with an infected mosquito..." -- Randy Shilts

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:28:12 -0700
From: jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: here are the missing states on Senate roll call

Actually, since I'm not sure which states are missing, I'll start with
Georgia and go through to Minnesota.

Voting FOR Clarence Thomas' confirmation to Supreme Court:

Georgia-Nunn, Fowler

Hawaii-none

Idaho-Symms, Craig

Illinois-Dixon

Indiana-Lugar, Coats

Iowa-Grassley

Kansas-Dole, Kassebaum

Kentucky-McConnell

Loiusiana-Johnston, Breaux

Maine-Cohen

Maryland-none


Massachusetts-none

Michigan-none

Minnesota-Durenberger

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:53:41 -0400
From: perry patterson <patterso@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu>
Subject: universities on anti-discrimination and domestic partners

This is a request for :
1.  Verbatim statements on sexual orientation contained in
official university documents; and
2.  Information regarding concrete proposals/policies which
insure and provide other benefits to the domestic partners of lesbian and
gay faculty and staff.

The above may be old hat for long-time gaynetters, but would be very
helpful to me at Wake Forest University, where I am working to get
such policies enacted.

Please send to:  Perry L. Patterson
                 Dept. of Economics
                 Wake Forest University
                 Winston-Salem, NC
                 e-mail:  patterso@wfunet.wfu.edu
Thanks much!

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:03:04 -0700
From: jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: "Born that way" Debate

In more or less the August 1991 (yes, last year) issue of Ms. magazine is
an article by Lindsay van Gelder along the same lines as the
current Nation article by Darrell what's 'is name.  It could
make interesting comparative reading.  My gripe
with Darrell and the Nation is that he, as a gay man,
wrote in 1991 about Amnesty International without
mentioning human rights abuses against lesbigays
and he/they declined to print my letter attempting
to rectify this egregious omission.    His
credibility suffered a serious dip in my book
as a direct result.

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:16:50 -0700
From: lewisgtu@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lewis Day)
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6

re: Same-Sex Partner Benefits
	Pacific School of Religion (Berkeley) has "married student housing"
	open to all couples, regardless of gender pairings.

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From: "Mac Phillips"  <MAC@hup.ucla.edu>
Organization: UCLA Honors & Undergraduate Pgms
Date:         12 Oct 92 15:58:18 PST
Subject:      SOC.MOTSS
Priority:     normal

     I've been hearing about this now for six months.  What is it?
How do I subscribe?  I'm fairly computer-clueless (not to be confused
with blonde), so plain language would be most appreciated.

    Thanks.=============================================================
"Too bad you couldn't only get AIDS by |  Mac Phillips
giving money to television preachers." |  UCLA
                                       |  (310) 206 - 1694
                  -Elaine Boosler      |  (310) 396 - 8414
=============================================================

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:26:24 EDT
From: Kris <MA8Y@CORNELLA.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject:      Re: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 6

Sorry, but I can't handle the volume of mail I'm getting from all these
networking things.  Please take me off the list.

Kris (Ma8y@cornella)

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:53:00 EDT
Subject: At the Quilt

Howdy.
     Kevin Lowery's very powerful post about the Quilt prompts me to share my
impressions.
     Chris (my boyfriend), Rick Fleming and I didn't get to the display until
late in the afternoon and only saw a small portion of the whole thing.  It
covered the whole west side of the Washington Monument grounds--15 acres in
all.  Tens of thousands of people were walking slowly, heads bowed, among the
panels.
     I'd seen a small portion of the Quilt displayed in Charlottesville about
a year and a half ago--about one-half of 1% of the total.  What struck me
then struck me again: the incredible beauty of the panels, the care that went
into making them, the color and imagination, all bringing their honorees to
life--and then the realization that all these people, most of them young,
most of them gay, were now dead.
     As the names were read over the loudspeaker, mostly by family members
and friends and lovers of the dead, hardly one reader got through without
choking up.  One could not look at the panels without choking up, too.
     Rick went in search of a panel for a onetime lover who had died.  He
didn't find it.
     Most of the readers were greeted, as was appropriate, with respectful
silence.  One of the readers was Lily Tomlin; she got a smattering of cheers
when she was introduced.  But the greatest response was given to a
late-middle-aged Italian father who concluded his reading by telling the
crowd, "Don't let anybody put your son down!  Don't let anybody put your
daughter down!"
     At around 5:45 the GayNetters started to gather across the street.
Peter from Stony Brook met us; we were later joined by Steve Smith and his
lover John, who were with Kevin and his lover Tom.  We walked to the Ellipse
at about 6:15, as the sun was setting and the candles were starting to be
lit.  From a reviewing stand we could see tens of thousands of candles
stretching from 15th to 17th Streets and from Constitution Avenue to the back
fence of the White House.  The Gay Men's Chorus performed, along with other
singers.  At it got toward 7:00 we started to snake out.  As the crowd
reached 15th and Pennsylvania, walking toward the White House, the mood
turned an odd combination of angry and festive as the crowd began loud cheers
and whoops, shouting "Three more months!  Three more months!"  Chris (my BF)
succeeded in getting the crowd chanting "Read my lips!  No more Bush!"  As we
reached the White House--which was Bushless, as the Man was preparing for his
debate--we shouted "Shame!  Shame!  Shame!"  Another chant came up: "Here
comes Hillary! Here comes Hillary!"  We turned down 18th Street toward the
Lincoln Memorial, and scattered singing broke out.
     On reaching the Memorial the mood shifted again, to something resembling
the laughter amidst sorrow of a wake.  Our little group stood near the east
edge of the Rainbow Pool, a little pond just east of the Reflecting Pool,
which stretches the long way to the Memorial.  We could see lighted candles
all the way up the hill to the Washington Monument and along both sides of
the Reflecting Pool all the way down to the Lincoln Memorial.  It was so
beautiful and so sad.  Several speakers: Eleanor Holmes Norton, D.C.'s
non-voting member of Congress; Jim Graham, head of the Whitman-Walker Clinic;
Liza Minnelli; and Cleve Jones, who spoke most poignantly and with
understated anger about the Pharaoh's continued hardness of heart amidst the
plague.  Michael Callen sang, as did Joel Grey.
     The vigil/rally closed with a recording of a South African freedom song
that I hope will catch on in our movement:

     "We shall not give up the fight; we have only started
     "We have only started, we have only started (repeat both lines)

     "Together we'll have victory, hand holding hand
     "Hand holding hand, hand holding hand (repeat both lines)

     "Never ever put to flight; we are out to win
     "We are out to win, we are out to win!" (repeat both lines)

     (First verse again)

     Then we parted with hugs and left our candles, still burning, in little
impromptu shrines along the sidewalk.
     One last thing that made me so proud of Chris: he, Rck and I walked the
two miles or so to Georgetown to pick up Rick's car.  The crowd was with us
up to Pennsylvania Avenue, whence the crowd continued north to Dupont Circle.
All the way, Chris held my hand, walking up Pennsylvania Avenue to M Street,
where there was not another open queer in sight.  Twice we got hollered at by
passing cars.  Later, Chris told me he held my hand because he was angry and
wasn'y in a mood to take it any more.  I held his because, although I was
right scared, I decided I wasn't going to give in to the fear or to my
homophobia.
     We got home to Steve and John's, had a couple of pizzas, looked at their
pictures of the D.C. Pride parade last June and the last March on Washington,
then looked at my pics from the Great American Road Trip, and then went off
to sleep.
     What a strange and overpowering mix of emotions.  I won't forget it
soon.

Love,
Mark in Virginia

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:58:42 EDT
From: Janet Littell <JLITTEL@mitvmc.mit.edu>
Subject:      Country Western Dance

Please forward this notice to SAPPHHO and other interested groups in
the Boston area.

EVENING OF COUNTRY WESTERN DANCING!

Dance Lessons by Gays for Patsy

Saturday, October 24, 1992
7:30 p.m.-midnight
MIT Student Center
84 Mass Ave., room 491
Cambridge, MA

Sponsored by GABLES
(Gay, bisexual, and lesbian employees and supporters at MIT)

Tickets: $5; $3 for students

Wheelchair accessible

Transportation
Car
Park FREE in West Garage, on Vassar Street near Mass Ave.
From Boston:  Left on Vassar; from Cambridge, right on Vassar
Bus
#1 Dudley (Harvard) bus, get off at MIT, ask for Student Center
Subway
Central Square stop, walk down Mass Ave. or take #1 bus

Need more info?  Call 287-0197 or 876-3874

(If you can, please forward to SAPPHO and other area mailing lists.
Thanks.  Janet)

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Date: 	Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:58:00 -0400
From: VANGINNEKEN@UTOROISE.BITNET
Subject: Freedom Rings

I am sure this has come across a couple of times, but I would like to
know what the multi-coloured rings represent that many in our community
are wearing.  One person called them freedom rings ???  Is there a
story behind them ?

Thanx

Andy in Toronto
U of Toronto / OISE
Sorry...no catchy phrase at the end.....

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From: mgammie@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mary Gammie)
Subject: subscription request
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:19:05 CDT

hi ray,

i am already subscribed to gaynet, and want to sign up a friend of
mine.  her internet address is: apanthen@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu, and her
name is ann panthen.  if you need any more info, or if she has to do
this herself, please let me know.

thanks alot,

beth gammie
mgammie@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu

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Subject: 'Innocent Victims' grab AIDS dollars
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 23:44:05 EDT
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

I heard on the international gay and lesbianradio magazine THIS WAY OUT that
40 PERCENT of the NIH AIDS research budget is being assigned to research on
drugs for PEDIATRIC AIDS cases, even though children with AIDS make up only
TWO PERCENT of the people with the disease.

The report said that it was unclear whether Congress knew that by mandating the
level of Pediatric AIDS research while not explicitly provoding for it in
the overall AIDS budget that the money would have to come from money that would
go towards fighting AIDS in the majority of cases [gay men, IVDU].

Regardless, the result is that adult AIDS programs are being scaled back.

Anyone know more about this?

- -
RON BUCKMIRE
The Gloria Allred Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary Geise <gggeist@bach.udel.edu>
Subject: ponderings on the debate
Mime-Version: 1.0

hi.  i would like to give my responses to the debate last
nite...sorry in advance for any rambling...

   first: i saw peter jennings doing the post-debate emcee stuff.
he interviewed six respondents, one man and one woman each from
nuevo york, san fran, and north carolina somewheres (sorry forget
city).  these six folk seemed preoccupied with perot, as have many
people i've talked with today, to the point where i don't think
perot's election is such a far cry anymore.  "wow," they all said
in one way or another, "i wasn't expecting to be so impressed with
perot.  he was the only one who REALLY spoke to the issues."

   well, if you ask me (and, in fact, even if you don't) perot
spoke to exactly ONE issue last nite, that being the deficit,
which americans are conditioned to relate to their own debt status
and mourn accordingly, but which doesn't as of yet affect the
average citizen in the slightest (...and it's not clear when it
will affect Jo(e) Average, though the specter of some sort of
horrible global collection agency is implied whenever convenient,
as last night).  the rest of what perot did was point to the
ineffectuality of the status quo, represented by both bill and
george.  and he did it well.  perot appealed to his media image
(as a get-it-done, no-bullshit, value-every-employee-CEO type).
before the debate, most commentary of perot was 'long on
personality, short on agenda."  the response to his performance in
the debate was: "wow, he really clarified himself and his stance
on the issues."

   huh?  did i miss something?  i heard him invoke his "get things
done" attribute repeatedly, and i heard him speak to what issues
he considered worth dealing with, BUT: with the exception of the
$.50 gas tax, i heard no plans from him,  merely a call for
implementing some of "all those plans they got lying around in
washinton."  why did all six ABC "average citizens" appear not to
have noticed that perot said no more than bill and george?  why
did no one call him on his obvious reliance on personality to make
up for his lack of plans?  why is the media so incredibly willing
to make this man into a folk hero?  HE IS NOT A SAVIOR.  he is
entertainment value, the best thing the media can play off of in
this political circus.  he is a new angle, one that people are
falling for, and the way the media is fawning over him is SCARY.

   why, in fact, do they call this thing a debate?  it is a series
of mini-speaches, minimizing facts and glorifying these
meaningless, fake poses that are meant not to reflect the will of
citizens, but to make them think that this IS their will, IF
they're good citizens.  the rhetoric of the handlers does not even
PRETEND to be sincere, but is instead couched in "what can we get
away with that the people will buy" terms, AND WE BUY IT ANYWAY.
WE ARE USED TO IT.  STOP BUYING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   on a lighter note, did anyone else bag up and roll around on
the floor laughing when george scratched his nose EXACTLY as he
mentioned cocaine?  my whole family (democratic or barbara
definition) roared!

     (and i must admit it is refreshing how well perot's (and
clinton's) "we can't afford to hate each other" attitude is being received,
how effectively the GOPs are being denounced as hatemongers.)

   back to the grim.  peter jennings and certain respondents were
impressed with the way the candidates refrained from slandering  each
other.  again, huh?  what was george doing with the patriotism thing?  the
cheap and utterly fake shot re the possibility of clinton's election
causing the stock market to drop like a steel rollercoaster?

   AHEM: nobody said "gay" or anything related. stay tuned.

   george again claimed to have engineered the end of the cold
war, instead of having propagated the FICTION of the cold war
until it was finally, with the soviet union, toppled.  george
claimed compassion for PWAs based on the appointment of mary
fischer, who showed at the GOP convention how much the GOPs really
care.  oooooooooh, is THAT what she did?  i thought she was
calling for people to care more...hmmmm, i guess i was reading
into her speech, huh?  and, how about this, out of bushUs mouth:
"saddam hussein, the dictator"?  nice subtitling, thanks, we were
wondering what hussein's official title was...

   lastly, i am disappointed in clinton's performance.  most
voters, said m. jennings, watch a debate and merely get their impressions
reinforced.  well, my impressions of george and ross have not been
enhanced in any way, but my impression of bill is greatly
diminished.  granted, he did maintain an agenda (which was ignored
in favor of perot's empty posturing).  but he WAS reciting.  he
WAS employing truisms and tritisms.  he WAS spouting a lot of
middle-american (a god in every living room) wisdom.  in one
sense, anything to get bush out is worthwhile, but in another sense, he WAS
giving the dissatisfied voter another reason to vote
for the wild card in the race.  he was playing directly into
perot's strategy of making the two-party candidates seem like
defenders of the huge mess we have.  i can only hope his handlers
recognize this and somehow invent a new edge before the next go-
round.

   i'm sorry this has been so verbose and soap-boxy.  i mean no
offense to various candidate-supporters, but the debate made me
very depressed about the entire system, the entire media, the
entire society.  if the intelligence of the electorate is really
represented by ABC's six respondents, i'd rather be in canada,
thanks.


gary

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:49:05 CDT
From: news%vivaldi.inoc.dl.nec.com@inoc.dl.nec.com	(-- cjk --)

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