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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: LIST OF FRUSTRATIONS.
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:52:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.205322.5809@lgc.com> ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson) writes:
>In article <C0GB3L.5A9@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>>Here is a Category-wise list of Team of Frustrations. Corrections
>>are welcome from fans of other teams and I will post a revised list.
>>
>>A) HAVE BEEN TO THE SUPER-BOWL BUT NEVER WON IT
>>------------------------------------------------
>>1) Vikes ... 0-4  
>>2) Broncos   0-4
>>3) Bengals   0-2
>>4) Bills     0-2
>>5) Patriots  0-1
>>6) Rams      0-1
>>7) Eagles    0-1
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>Categories below are teams who have never even been to a Super Bowl
>>B) HAVE NEVER WON A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>1) Browns    0-2
>>2) Oilers    0-1
>>3) Lions     0-1
>>4)Additions are welcome
> 4) Seattle   0-2
>    Loss the 1982-83 AFC Conference game to the Raiders
>    Loss the 1983-84 AFC Conference game to the Dolphins
> 5) Tampa Bay 0-1 at least
>    Loss NFC Conference game to the L.A. Rams the year the Rams went to
>    the SB

It was the 1979-1908 season.  Tampa Bay won their first playoff game
(some weird score like 6-0  - a Bucs fan will have to add the actual
score and opponent :-)), then lost to the Rams in the NFC Conference
Championship game.  Means the Bucs are 1-1 in the playoffs.

The Saints really are the only NFL team to never win a playoff game.

>>---------------------------------------------------
>>
>>C) HAVE NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>1) Saints     0-3
>>
>>D) HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A PLAYOFF GAME
>>---------------------------------------------------
>>1) Tampa Bay
>>2) Sea-Hawks
>>
>    See above, every NFL team has been to the playoffs
>
>Cheers!
>
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From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Goodbye Eagles and other questions
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:41:21 GMT

 With the loss to Dallas the dismantling of the Eagles will begin.  It is
amazing how a team can go from one of the most popular to play for to one where
everyone wants to jump ship.  Although I like kotite and dislike Buddy, you do
have to give him credit.  When he was coach his players would die for him (or
not sign, as the case with K. Jackson).

Any rumors on if the team will be sold?  I reckon the team will wither to
nothing if Norman remains the Owner....

Bill Perry
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:35:49 GMT
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com

In article 10420@walter.cray.com, mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand) writes:
>Somehow, I knew when Houston returned the interception for a touchdown and
>then followed up with the onside kick that Houston would end up paying for
>trying to rub Buffalo's face in it.
>
>Boy was I right.

This is incorrect!  The Oilers did not attempt an onside kick.  Del Greco was
making a squib kick that ended up hitting on the the Bills at the front of the
return team.  The may have looked like an onside kick but even the TV anouncers
stated that it was not.

nate
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana ...a poor sport?
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:52:18 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <C0I5Ev.JIn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>I'm curious, don't y'all wonder how poorly Joe accepts his back-up role,
>especially when compared with Young?  How long has Young been a "team
>player"?  

Steve Young has never quietly accepted the backup role and neither will 
Montana.... Joe has a legit beef because he did get beat out for the job..
he lost it due to injury. Young came to the 49ers in a trade with Tampa and 
watched while Joe was routinely piling up MVP-like seasons. Still he would 
complain that he should be playing more and "just because Joe was the MVP of 
Super Bowl and the highest rated QB of all time is no reason to keep him 
ahead of me!" These guys are great competitors and they would not be great 
QBs and great leaders if they could just humbly sit back and be a bench warmer.

I don't consider a guy wanting to play a big deal. 


-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
Whenever the fates hear someone say, "It can't get any worse than this..." 
They just laugh and double your misery!
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana for Allen!
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:55:58 GMT
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TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:

> The perfect trade, Joe Montana should go the Raiders for Marcus Allen, an
> even trade!  Raiders get what they want and the 49ers...wellllllllllll.

Wellll, what? Get screwed?  You must be a Raiders fan..

We already have two excellent young halfbacks (Watters, Lee) and an
excellent not-yet-too-old fullback (Rathman, class of '85, or was it
'86?).  Pray, what would Marcus do on this team? Sit around and bitch
and moan, like he has done with the Faders for the last 4 years?

What the Niners *could* use is some additional help in the secondary,
and some pass-rushing backup to Harris and Holt. And maybe a couple of
good linemen on offense and defense (backups to current lines).  Ted
Washington has been a disappointment.
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Madden is an Idiot.
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:29:38 GMT

In article <C0Couw.GLI@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
>From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
>Subject: Madden is an Idiot.
>Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:23:20 GMT
>I used to like to listen to John "MAD" den before, but not
>anymore.  As long as he sticks to the chalk board it is
>OK, but it gets irrittating when he goes on rambling endlessly
>on some silly and unconnected things like a total idiot.
>

Actually its that damn, forward/reverse "clicker" chalk thing he uses that 
annoys me, I LOVE his commentary.

Come on, his obvious love and enthusiasm for the game is enough to keep me 
listening.  Besides I even like his comments (on the official too) it was 
funny.  You DO what FUNNY is dont ya son?  :-)  :-)

>And he always goes into *orgasm* whenever the name Dallas
>Cowboys is mentioned and the doddering starts all over. 

So what, like you dont have an orgasm on the net whenever someone mentions 
the vikes?  :-)  Just kidding

The Boyz are playing good ball, anyone can see that!  

>Can't he keep shut at least for a while and allow the poor
>fans to watch the game.

Do as you do, just turn off the sound, Slick.  Dont like it, dont listen.
You answered your own question.

>S.H
>(The Purple Bleeder)

P.S.  could you stop BLEEDING on me now? ;-)
Adriene
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: NFC East - Toughest Division
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:18:03 GMT

The arguement about the NFC East not being the toughest division is based
on fallacy.  It is true that the NFC West enjoyed a better winning percentage
outside of the division, but that is because it had two very good teams and
two average teams; there were no poor teams in the division.

The NFC East, on the other hand, had three very good teams and two poor ones.
It doesn't matter if 4 teams in a division compile a great record against
the other divisions, if you throw a Seattle or New England in there it will
devastate the winning percentage.

The arguement for the NFC East being the best division is this:  All of the
Superbowl victories since the Bears won in '85 have been won by SF or an
NFC East team.  Three of the four surviving playoff teams are from the NFC
East this season.  Every season over the past several years there have been
at least three teams from the NFC East which were Superbowl contenders.  It
is difficult for other divisions to match that record.  

The NFC West is probably the strongest division top-to-bottom, and probably
the most difficult to win with the presence of SF and NO, but the division
that consistently has the largest number of strong playoff contenders is
the NFC East.  And don't claim that this is because they have enough parity
to all be in the playoff hunt all year, because that does not explain their
Superbowl success and their playoff success this year.

Nix
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chiefs QB
Keywords: QB
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:28:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1is8n5INNk87@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> marshal@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall) writes:
>
> I was wondering how any other Chief's fans felt.  Is Dave Krieg
>the QB to lead the Chiefs to a SB?  Several people have told me that
>he just needs a little more time  and he will be leading us to the
>promised land.  I have my doubts.  I think the Chiefs might be getting
>old, as a team.  They need a good proven veteran QB to lead them.
>How about Joe Montana?  I believe Krieg will always be inconsistant.
>Any other views on the matter?

Yeah, give Matt Blundin some more playing time.  If he's to be the QB of the
Chiefs future (heck, they invested a 2nd round draft pick on him), he should
be playing more.  Also, get a better offensive line... I can't believe that
with their Troika of running backs (Williams, Okoye and Word), their running
game has been so poor.  Just my opinions.

satish nair
From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Thank God for the Niner DEFENSE
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:57:51 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <BBNM22202E6644@MPA15C> MPA15C!MP@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com  
writes:
> I'm starting a Dump Steve Young movement.

Thanks for the announcement. Couldn't tell.

> If everyone who thinks that
> Steve Young's three inexcusable fumbles and one stupid interception
> warrant his explusion from the league will send me $10.00 then we can
> find someone to encourage Steve to start his career as lawyer.

Only those people stupid enough to actually think that would be stupid  
enough to send you their money [I suppose you'll take cash ;-)].  By the  
way, what "career" might St. Joe have after he finally hangs 'em up--I  
mean besides commentating, doing endorsements, and making commercials (for  
BenGay, Advil, etc.)?  I'm seriously curious--what did he graduate in at  
Notre Dame (as if that would even guarantee a career, I know)?
 
> In watching this game I kept getting the feeling that Young actually
> wanted to lose the game.

Puh-leeeez. (Those game-time munchies can cause some strange feelings,  
can't they?)

> Offensively they looked so-so but I attribute that to Steve Young's
> idiotic performance.

The things he'll do to make the 9ers look good ;-) ;-)

> WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!   WE WANT JOE!

In...Minnesota?  To...make more info-mercials?  For...mayor of SF?   
To...speak at your next St. Joe Fan Club meeting? 
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:25:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Greatest Moment (was: BILLS BILLS BILLS BILLS!!! YEEEEEEEAAAAAA!!!!!)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>(Ronnie Townsend) /  5:54 pm  Jan  8, 1993 /
>In article <29710135@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>Wrong.  The Cowboys "made it through" only twice; their SB/playoff
>>failures are far more numerous.  Until their first SB win in '72, their
>>reputation was "couldn't win the big one".  The resentment toward the
>>Cowboys was engendered not because of their success, but because of the
>>sickening media overhype when there were clearly superior teams e. g.
>>Steelers in the '70s.

>The Steelers beat the Cowboys in two Super Bowls by a grand total of 8 points. 
>That means that one play here or there in either game and the Cowboys are the 
>"Team of the 70's" and the Steelers are 2-2 in the big dance. This is what 
>you call "clearly superior?" 

Woulda, coulda, shoulda - gimme a break.  About 99% of unbiased
observers consider the '70s Steelers "clearly" the best team of the
'70s, and many consider them the best team of all time.

>By the way... if you would remove your head from your ass you would also be 

Your interest in my ass is flattering, but I'm already happily married
:^).

- Gary Rosen

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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: DALLAS
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:53:05 GMT

In article <Jan.10.18.43.48.1993.25265@blaze.rutgers.edu> rhoads@blaze.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan10.172630.9416@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>, dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) writes:
>
>> I guess this is confirmation that some mathematicians live in
>> their own world (or the Cowboys/Eagles game has intoxicating effects).
>> 
>> >Dallas is the best team to ever play the game.
>> 60's Packers, 70's Steelers, 84 49ers, 85 Bears.
>> 
>> >Aichman is the best quarterback in football.
>> Staubach, Unitas, Montana, Graham.
>> 
>> >Emmitt Smith is the best back in the history of the game.
>> Brown, Simpson, Payton.
>> 
>
> <similar such text deleted>
>
> > 
> > >Dallas 70 (10 touchdowns on ten posessions)
> > >Philly 0 (net yards: rush -95, pass 3)
>
>
>Just one question.  Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
					    ^^^^^^^
Hey!...watch your language!  This is a forum of intellectual conversation and
discussion of pro football related issues...We have NO tolerance for sarcasm!
But we do allow cynicism, though.  So shape up...Sarcasm will not go 
unpunished!!!

Now back to our local news reports...

Mario
p.s.
Emmitt will be the greatest running ever...(Your tense was off a bit)
       ^^^^^^^

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment (was: BILLS BILLS BILLS BILLS!!! YEEEEEEEAAAAAA!!!!!)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:04:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.174932.18395@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:

>In article <1993Jan3.220850.19849@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:

>>  THE BEST MOMENT IN BUFFALO BILLS HISTORY TO DATE!!!!

>Uh, until they win another title, I will vote for the Bills'
>AFL title win in the mid-60's with Jack Kemp as their finest
>franchise moment.
>
>Which event would y'all vote for as "the greatest moment" in
>your favorite franchise's history?

I bet most Niner fans will disagree, but after beating the Bowboys
in the '81 NFC title game, the Big Dance, as well as the other
Big Dances, was anticlimactic.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:33:42 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: most playoff wins
	<1993Jan12.020143.15036@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 12-Jan-93 Re: most playoff
wins Gidi Avrahami@Hilbert.St (2577)

>   Total records in Conference Championship games (1970-1992)
> ==========================================================
> Tampa_Bay       0  1 0.000   San_Diego       0  2 0.000 


when was the second time SD lost in a conference Championship game?
Everybody knows the '81 loss to the Bengals. What's the other?

--Vernon.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys at Last!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:04:59 GMT

In article <1iun7jINNlaq@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.020207.172@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>[both our stuff deleted]
>
> >Here is where you seem to miss the facts. The Niners, actually
> >Young :^), likewise turned over the ball FOUR times against the
> >RedSkins and won! The Niners were able to defeat Philly and the 
> >Saints because of Defense and able they were able to score when 
> >needed.  The facts are: the Niners won!  As you so aptly pointed out,
> >Aikman and Company were NOT able to win despite their 3+ TOs,
> >whereas the Niners were able to win despite their 4 TOs.
> >******* John P. Gloria ****** jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com *******
>
>Okay let me state it better.
>If Steve Young or the 9ers turn the ball over 4 times Sunday
>to Dallas, you will surely lose. Same goes for Dallas...
>
There are NO guarantees in the NFL! The opposite...how many times
has the losing team racked up ALL the stats and still lose? Dallas
could have 520 yard total yards offense and yet, theoretically, not 
get in to score TDs except for FGs. The Niners could fumble 6 times or
have 5 INTs and only have 180 total offense, but on 8 plays score 35 points!
I don't think I have to elaborate on how this could be done. :^)

>9ers have needed a good spot by the refs to beat Philly and had to 
>overcome four turnovers to beat wash., to their credit, they did win.
>
Again, you solidify my position! Despite the circumstances, the Niners
have won except for TWO games!

>In the meantime Dallas has been not turning the ball over and scoring
>41, 31 and 34 points in the last three games. I would say mud field
>advantage is about all the 9ers have in their favor and the fact
>that they have more playoff exp. but the exp. thing also helps Dallas,
>it's a young bunch and when someone tells them "you can't go out there and 
>beat them at the Stick" they answer "Why the hell not".
>
Just remember, Dallas has NOT played the likes of the Niners! Historically,
the Niners have fared real well against the best D's in the NFL.

>Just remember the "undefeated Redskins" vs the Cowboys at RFK, in the cold
>and in the mud last year. 
>
No, just remember the "The Catch".

******* John P. Gloria ****** jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com *******

-- 
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and never fails to see a bad one. He is the human owl,
vigilant in darkness and blind to light, mousing for
vermin, and never seeing noble game."  Henry Ward Beecher
From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:00:03 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <C0oH8t.MH@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
>he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
>the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). I
>guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
>Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
>such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
>free agency.
>What is everyone else's opinion on this?

I think that a team signing on players while they're in the
playoffs would be ludicrous! Sounds like a fine rule to me.


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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: More Predictions
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:25:21 GMT


I had picked KC over SD, Buffalo over Houston, Philly over NO, and
Redskins over Minnesota.  So I'm 3-1 so far (thanks to Buffalo).  

Obligatory NFC East taunt:  Has anyone noticed that the NFC East was the
only divisin in football to send three contenders?  And that after the
first round of playoffs all three are still in the hunt?  Pretty
impressive I'd say.

Predictions:  
Washington 27  SF 10

Washington is hot with impressive individual performances as well as team
efforts.  SF had a week off and may be distracted by the Montana issue.
Close first half with second half special team play that breaks it open
for Washington.  SF goes with Young the whole way leaving fans to question
Seifert and starting an off-season qb controversy.

Dallas 31  Philly 13
Early Philly lead evaporates as Emmitt builds up steam.  Philly defense
shows it's age and injuries - Smith over 125 yards.  Philly defense also
continues to show they have no clue on how to cover a TE - Novacek 2 TDS.
Cunningham plays well but dropped passes cost him the game.


SD 21  Miami 17
Marino can't do it alone, and yes, he's still alone.  SD - not pretty but
gets the job done.

Buffalo 35  Pittsburgh 17
Kelly or Reich, it makes no difference.  Foster can't run (in this game)
and O'donnell is not ready.  By the time Cowher realizes this it's too
late.  Late game rally by Pitt but too little too late.


Well, these are just my opinions.  Flame if you want, like it would make a
difference.


Gordon
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