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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:02:32 -0400
From:         "(George Frajkor)" <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Hungarian

Passing on the following cross posts from the Hungarian Mailing list.

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From @vm.utcs.utoronto.ca:HUNGARY@UCSBVM.BITNET Wed Sep 30 09:16:48 1992
From: "(Peter A. Nemenyi)" <nemenyi@OXYGEN.APS1.ANL.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Slovak-world

Dear Laci

First if one wants to know about Hungarian-Romanian aggression, then it is
very easy to learn about it. It only takes to travel to Romania in the region
called ERDELY (Transylvania) and start talking about being a Hungarian from
Hungary.
Secondly the not so clean past of Hungary, it is true that there were some
elements during the Second WW. (Nyilasok) to whom I can give the label of
nacis also. But the country were dragged into the war by force from outside.
Horty's (The Leader in this time) son was held by the Germans who latter
occupied the country.
I can only say about the past of Hungary is that Hungary is located between
the Slav and German world being foreign to both.
When the Germans rose to power than nacism were enforced upon her, and than
the Russian came so communism was the enforced form.
And about your last note, I was visiting Pozsony many times as a Reuters news-
agency member. Until the Slovak borderpatrol seen my American or UN. passport
everything was ok. but upon showing my Hungarian passport the air was chilled
around us and made me wait 1-2 hours before I could enter into Slovakia.
When I was asking why, they replied, because of 1968. If you lived in Pozsony
than you must know that Mr. Kadar was forced to comply with the Russian
rule to help the Russian army to invade Csehszlovakia.
Mr. Kadar was the same man who called the Russians to invade his own country
in 1956. So why can the little people be blamed for what the big-ones have done
and beat them up by commando units?
Europe is becoming a very sad place and it is heartbreaking to see that all of
the unresolved problems of the pre-First WW. is showing its ugly face again.
It would be nice to see peace and understanding among all of those people once
and for all.

Peter Nemenyi
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From @vm.utcs.utoronto.ca:HUNGARY@UCSBVM.BITNET Tue Sep 29 23:31:46 1992

From: POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Slovak-world

Peter Nemenyi,
While nobody would condone violence perpetrated against inocent people,
nationalism, racisms and other quasi political isms have resulted in
nothing but misery for all involved. I should not have to site examples
from recent or past history. I grieve for my compatriots.

On the other hand Hungary and Hungarians do not have a clean history
to hold up either. Do we have to continue the violence?  Can we not
join the modern world? Can we not partake in the "velvet revolution"
or even in the "velvet divorce"?  To say "look...they did it to us!"
is not an excuse to strike back.  It is only a license to further
barbarism.

I have faith that even our part of the world will one day celebrate
the benefits of mutual admiration and peace.

Laci Pook
Yes, my roots are in Pozsony (Bratislava)

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From @vm.utcs.utoronto.ca:HUNGARY@UCSBVM.BITNET Tue Sep 29 22:59:03 1992

From: POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Slovak-world

How fascinating to hear from the Slovak point of view.  Any chance of
imposing on our Slovak friends to become more vocal on the issue of
Slovak-Hungarian relations? Hopes, wishlists, etc. for the region? What
is the reality of peacefull coexistence?
......Laci Pook
pook@zeno.msc.colorado.edu
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