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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Name Flames (was: Re: Jan(n?) Jensen (was Heinrik (?) Andersen))
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:18:12 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "James" == J.M.Ross  (Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)

James> I'll spell it out slowly for you ...
James> There is one team called "Rangers FC"

I'll spell it out slowly for you...
If all your life you've heard (in the media and elsewhere) Glasgow
Rangers, if you've just watched a TV transmission where they said
"Glasgow" 15+ times, you'll quite naturally say "Glasgow Rangers"
yourself. I might try my best to get it right and please everyone, but
I know I'll slip from time to time. 

Look, if I tell someone here "Rangers will play Leeds in the next EC
round", they'll have no idea what I mean. They *will* understand
"Glasgow Rangers" (note, btw, that I use "Leeds", not "Leeds United").

James> Similarly for Celtic.

Yeah, and while you're at, why don't you try to educate the public on
the true meaning of the word "hacker"?

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness Gets Vote
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:20:17 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <00961660.A7ACF580.26348@matai.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:

>are haggling about salary and conditions etc...My favourites for the job are

>Ron Atkinson (Isn't he about due to move on, he's been at Villa far too long..
>	      he must be going soft).

Why would Ron take a backwards step?  He's bought 3 of Liverpool's best
players and is now up to 6th place with a free-scoring team!  Anyway, he's
just treading water till Taylor gets the boot.

Tim
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Championship of Rio de Janeiro- Br
Date: 30 Sep 1992 08:34:39 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Championship of state of Rio de Janeiro , Brazil

                     Taca Guanabara
                     """"""""""""""
Sep. 25th
---------
 Bangu          3-2  Flamengo
 Luizinho 35(1)      Zinho 8(2)
 Dionisio 13,39(2)   Gaucho 42(2)

 Sep. 27th
 ---------
  Campo Grande  0-2  Madureira
                     Ze Carlos (2)
                     Lito 36(2)

  Itaperuna     0-2  Flamengo
                     Junior 3(1)
                     Paulo Nunes 43(2)

  Americano     2-1  America-RJ
  Pelica 6(2)        Vandick 28(2)
  Berg 18(2)

  Vasco da Gama 1-1  Fluminense
  Roberto Dinamite 30(1)   Ezio 27(1)

 Sep. 28th
 ---------
  Bangu         0-0  America-TR
  Botafogo      2-1  Volta Redonda
  Vivinho 18(1)      Rangel 35(1)
  Andre 37(2)


Team             G   W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Vasco da Gama    9   7   2   0    16-01     16
Flamengo         9   6   1   2    21-09     13
Bangu            9   5   3   1    12-06     13
Madureira        9   5   3   1    08-07     13
Fluminense       9   5   2   2    18-08     12
Botafogo         9   4   3   2    09-07     11
Volta Redonda    9   2   3   4    04-09      7
America-TR       9   2   3   4    09-13      7
Americano        9   2   1   6    08-13      5
America-RJ       9   1   3   5    08-14      5
Campo Grande     9   1   1   7    05-20      3
Itaperuna        9   0   3   6    06-17      3
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Jan(n?) Jensen (was: Heinrik (?) Andersen)
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:05:46 GMT
	<1992Sep29.142757.15915@spider.co.uk>
	<MARTIN.92Sep29164325@kilo.inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>
	<1992Sep29.174723.19958@spider.co.uk>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Jackson (scottj@spider.co.uk)

Scott> They are the original use of the names `Rangers' and `Celtic'
Scott> and as such those are the names of the clubs. How can they be
Scott> ambiguous when these names are known throughout the world.

Scott> Rangers are currently officially known as:
Scott> The Rangers Football Club Plc
Scott> As far as I know, Celtic are known as:
Scott> The Celtic Football and Athletic Club

Yes, yes. But to someone who is not a fan of these clubs, "Glasgow
Rangers" is much easier to understand than "Rangers". This is a big
world, and hence a city name makes things easier to place. We also say
"Ajax Amsterdam" instead of "Ajax", "B1903 Copenhagen" instead of
"B1903", etc.

Take it easy. It's just a name, it simply server as a label to
identify the team. You don't see Germans going over the top when
people call K"oln Cologne, or when people forget that the name is
really 1. FC K"oln, and so on. Don't demand that everyone is an expert
on Scottish football -- "Rangers" is always "Glasgow Rangers" in the
media here.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Diego Maradona's return
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:23:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Univision showed today a few  selected sequences of the Sevilla-Bayern game;
even so he looked a little bit rusty and the "assist" he was credited for
actually seemed to occur at the Bayern's  fullbacks invitation.
But, of course, Diego has been out for almost two years now; I am sure
we will soon see him getting back in that shape which made him famous.

Forza Diego!

Cheers!
 

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: richm@informix.com (Luther Blissett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Abusive postings and mailings
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:14:42 GMT
Organization: Informix Software Europe, Ashford, Middlesex, UK
Originator: richm@asterix

The thing that most bugs me about this newsgroup is that 
there's so much abuse and so little constructive discussion.

In fact it's virtually impossible to post an alternative/
unpopular view without receiving some sort of personal abuse 
in your mailbox by return post.  Obviously, some people think
it's really clever to send stuff like this....

[ source info deleted - to protect the guilty ]
> ....     fuckwits like you who know bugger all about anyone or anything to
> do with football.   Why don't you piss off back up Elton's arse and keep
> your shitty views to yourself.  I'd like to....  [ etc etc ]

Yeah, yeah - very funny.  But I'm not amused by stuff like 
this arriving in my mailbox, and I can't think of many people
who would be.  Of course, not everyone (in fact hardly anyone)
shares my opinions.  For example, Tim (Chown) and I never agree
on anything - but this doesn't spur him to write me abusive
mail.

The individuals involved have been warned and if it happens
again I'll crosspost their mail - so everyone else can see 
them as they really are.

Let's talk soccer - and keep the abuse and bad language out of
the newsgroup and personal mailboxes.

 \      /  Rich Mortimer
 \ ---- /  WATFORD FC - THE HORNETS *** YOU NAME IT - WE AIN'T WON IT ***
 <| vv |>  
   \../	   "They're a good side Leicester, aren't they" 
    ""	     				- Steve Perryman, Saturday 1645
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Amateur Productions Limited (Celtic)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:53:30 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <1992Oct5.143452.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>Shareholders and bondholders must be wondering why their money is in the
>accounts of MIH.  The answer is simple.  Rangers FC is no more.  The football
>club is now a part of the MIM empire and so should logically play under the
>title of Murray International Metals FC.

Sandy assured me that you had cured your drink problem Chris, maybe you
should go on a bender in Boston...... Anyway, if Rangers change their name
will Celtic (who are a private limited company) also change theirs to Amateur
Productions Limited as that is also very logical.

>Their success on the park is evident
>and once they get some football songs their inglorious past can be forgotten.

I'm afraid we do have football songs but Celtic are just as guilty when it
comes to singing non-fitba' songs.

>But, a note of caution.  If the chairman can so readily put money which was
>pledged towards stadium development into the coffers of a section of the
>company which was in financial difficulty without the consent of the bond
>holders, might he not just as easily jettison the sport and recreational
>division of the company for a few of those grubby little notes that he just
>can't seem to get enough of? Come away the MIM FC!

In the copy of the annual accounts which were sent out to bond holders, the
club is valued at 59 million pounds. The players are extra on top of that.
The value of Celtic wouldn't even rid them of their 4 million overdraft.

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     
 Edinburry                               FOUR IN A ROW
 Scotland
From: scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Shef. Wed. vs Spurs
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:59:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Well I haven't seen anything posted about this at my site yet so.....

Result from Sunday's Premier League match: Shef Wed 2 Spurs 0
(scorers Bright and Anderson in the first half)

I only listened to this on the radio, but this should have been about 6-0
apparently but for better finishing and good goalkeeping. Mind you the
Spurs side  had some very inexperienced youngsters and some key players
missing like Durie and Rudduck. Wednesday aren't exactly at full
strength yet either, but Nilsson at least was playing for the first time
for a while, and hopefully Hirst will be back reasonably soon.
Anyway, a much needed win for the Owls after slipping dangerously close
to the bottom of the table (we were only one place above Liverpool for
god's sake!). Maybe Bruce or Daniel might give us a detailed analysis of
Spurs' problems.......? :-)

Up the Owls (flying the flag for England in Europe!)

gordon
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Championship of Rio de Janeiro-BR
Date: 2 Oct 1992 08:14:13 -0500
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Championship of state of Rio de Janeiro , Brazil

                     Taca Guanabara
                     """"""""""""""
Oct. 1st
--------
 Itaperuna      1-3  Botafogo
 Chico 25(2)         Vivinho 22(1)
                     Marcelo 12(2)
                     Vivinho 46(2)

 Vasco da Gama  0-0  Bangu

 Next Games :  Sunday      America-RJ    -  Bangu
 (Last round)              Americano     -  Madureira
                           Itaperuna     -  Campo Grande
                           Volta Redonda -  Fluminense
                           Flamengo      -  Vasco da Gama
               Monday      America-TR    -  Botafogo

Team             G   W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Vasco da Gama   10   7   3   0    16-01     17
Flamengo        10   7   1   2    25-10     15
Bangu           10   5   4   1    12-06     14
Madureira       10   5   4   1    09-08     14
Fluminense      10   5   3   2    19-09     13
Botafogo        10   5   3   2    12-08     13
America-TR      10   2   4   4    10-14      8
Volta Redonda   10   2   4   4    05-10      8
Americano       10   2   1   7    09-17      5
Campo Grande    10   2   1   7    06-20      5
America-RJ      10   1   3   6    08-15      5
Itaperuna       10   0   3   7    07-20      3
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mgv@cs.scarolina.edu (Marco Valtorta)
Subject: Re: MARADONA
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:37:06 GMT

giupol@gumby.cs.pitt.edu writes:

>Maradona has been sold to Siviglia soccer club for 9 billion lira
>(about 7 million $$). Just I want to remind that Napoli bought Maradona
>for 13 billion lira (about 10 million $$) in 1984.

You are using today's exchange rate (approximately, of course).  But a
dollar was worth much more in lire in 1984 that it is now.  In dollars,
Napoli sold Maradona for about as much as it (they, for our UK readers)
paid for it.  This, of course, strengthens your argument that Napoli made
a good deal.


>                         Giuseppe
>	Giuseppe Polese    
>	University of Pittsburgh
>	Department of Computer Science
>	Center for Parallel & Distribuited Systems
>	Pittsburgh, PA, 15260
>	Tel. (412) 624-8836
>	FAX (412) 624-8465
>	E-mail: giupol@cs.pitt.edu
From: norr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil.orr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers v Leeds Utd
Keywords: Bankies nonsense
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:30:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Oct6.173043.5464
Organization: AT&T


Hammy McDermott writes:

>Creaking Gordon Strachan??????
>I take it you did not see him on television during the Home leg of
>the Euro Cup last week? Outstanding was one word I would use.
>He has also, I hear, been putting in some good performances during the
>League matches he has been in. Granted, he is fairly old, but
>don't judge a book and all that....
>You also seem to forget McAllister and Speed, both players who played well
>on the day. If Leeds play even remotely like they did against Stuttgart
>at home, then Rangers will have a very tough match indeed.

I didn't say Gordon Strachan was useless just that his joints need to
be oiled before, during and after every game. But seriously, on paper,
Rangers have the edge in midfield. 

Despite McAllister being a regular in the Scotland team I just don't think
that he and Speed can match McCall, Durrant, Steven, Ferguson and
Michailichenko. 

Rangers simply have more depth of talent in their squad.

>ps. Stop posting articles like this, it doesn't half get my loyalties mixed-up
>a- You mention Rangers
>b- You talk about a Scottish team Vs an English one.
>
>this conflict..........

Frankly, I don't see what the conflict could be. Surely you've been
outside Scotland long enough to take a broader perspective on the
sometimes absurd stances taken by Old Firm fans when discussing their
great rivals ?

Rangers in the last eight of the European Champions Cup would be a
massive boost for Scottish football. As would the continued progress
of Heart of Midlothian and Celtic. I can't say I enjoy watching
Scottish teams exit the European competitions after the first couple
of rounds.

Neil Orr
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 17:21:10 CET
From: Sean Clarke <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Our mate Taylor again

Seems that in his wisdom, Graham's left out Waddle again, making
Souness's efforts almost seem Manager of the Year material.

Some bloke called Jobson (who?) from Oldham (where?) has been (hasbeen?)
included in the squad. Anyone out there know anything about him?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: Belgium competition, round 8.
Summary: played 25/9, 26/9 and 27/9.
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:28:06 GMT
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

On request from Donie:

Standard Luik - KV Mechelen 3-1
Charleroi - Lommel          3-0
Genk - Antwerp              3-0
Anderlecht - Waregem        2-5 (!)
AA Gent - Cercle Brugge     1-1
Lierse SK - Beveren         0-0
Club Brugge - RWD Molenbeek 0-0
Boom - Lokeren              2-1
Germinal Ekeren - Club Luik 1-2

(Paper gave no scorers, sorry).


Anderlecht      8 13
Standard Luik   8 13
Club Brugge     7 11
Charleroi       8 10
AA Gent         8 10
Beveren         8  9
Lierse SK       8  9
KV Mechelen     8  8
Waregem         8  8
Antwerp         7  7
Germinal Ekeren 8  7
Genk            8  7
RWD Molenbeek   8  7
Boom            8  6
Club Luik       8  6
Lokeren         8  5
Lommel          8  3
Cercle Brugge   8  3

joost.

-- 
Joost Schraag          e-mail: schraag@fwi.uva.nl          ICBM: 52.22`N 04.54`E
From: oldham@jach.hawaii.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds *NOT* out of europe.
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:56:28 GMT
Reply-To: oldham@jach.hawaii.edu
Organization: UK/Canada/Netherlands Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI

Presumably you mean Speed, not the great Speedie who is now at Soton.
From: eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,eduni.football
Subject: Predictions' League goes International
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:59:15 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


    With the entrance of Stephen Gilmour, the predictions' league bursts
forth from it's Edinburgh parochialism. A low scoring week, but you may
or may not be interested to know that your trully actually predicted all
6 Premier league matches correctly, but since I did not post my
forecasts to eduni.football, I get zero points - what an honest league
this is.
    Anyway, scores this week,

    Tracy Haldane     6 (5 results, 1 correct score)
    James Shaw        5 (4,1)
    Henry tmmj        5 (5,0)
    Keith Franklin    4 (4,0)
    Douglas Howat     4 (4,0)
    Stephen Gilmour   3 (3,0)
    The PARanoid      3 (3,0)
    Graeme Cruickshank 3 (3,0)

The table....

                        Pts     Bon   Total   Poss.
1. James Shaw            49      12     61    170
2. Tracy Haldane         43      10     53    172
3. Henry tmmj            42       8     50    172
4. Gerry Stewart         37       9     46    156
5. Keith Franklin        30       9     39    142
6. The PARanoid          34       5     39    156
7. Graeme Cruickshank    29       7     36    126
8. Arabian Bairn         25       6     31     94
9. Dave Smith            21       3     23    126
10.Douglas Howat          6       0      6     32
11.Stephen Gilmour        3       0      3     16

    
4 of this week's games have been brought forward so be sure and get your
predictions in early.

Prediction games

Airdrie v Partick Thistle
Celtic v Hearts
Dundee United v Motherwell
Falkirk v Dundee
Hibernian v Aberdeen
St Johnstone v Rangers

Stirling Albion v Dumbarton

East Fife v Queen of the South

             Gerry
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Blackburn & other trends....
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:24:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct6.182416.27352
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.132307.5650@gw.wmich.edu> statlab1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>Once more in the so exciting English Leaque an outsider is ahead.
>Did Blackburn gain promotion to the Premier Division just this year?
>I see a trend here that has been happening frequently in the last
>few years in England; that is, a team which was just promoted dominating
>the first few months of the Premier Division. Leeds last year, Man. Utd
>in 1978(I think), Swansea about 10 years ago. I can't recall any more examples
>but,
>
>  PLEASE CAN ANY OF THE EXPERTS ON ENGLISH FOOTBALL FIND SOME MORE 
>
>  EXAMPLES OF "first 2-3 months domination of teams just promoted"
>
>  IN THE ENGLISH LEAQUE PREMIER DIVISION??
>
>  Note: The team wouldn't have to end the leaque succesfully.
>
>N.B. In my opinion this is unique in the world of soccer and makes the 
>     English Leaque very interesting.
> 
>

I recall QPR did for a while and somewhat unbelieveably (come on you 'orns)
even Watford were 1st or 2nd for a while when they got promoted. Ah yes,
I think the Crystal Palace under El Tel (Terry Vegetables) did the same.
This does look like a trend.
From: dep1700@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Diane Pagel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: NW Sectionals
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:25:24 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


Perfect weather, the largest turnout for any section and a raging party was on
the menu for the Northwest Sectionals held in Corvallis, OR on Sept 26 and 27th.

Seven Women's and ten Men's teams were in attendance.  It's great to see
the Women's division grow in leaps and bounds.

In the Women's game, the format was round robin.  The Women's teams were:
1. Seattle Women on the Verge
2. Portland Swarm
3. Medusa
4. Corvallis Wildhairs
5. Exvivo
6. Eugene Just Us
7. Portland User Friendly

After the games, it shook out to be the Verge and Swarm meeting in the finals. 
In the round robin, the Verge had beaten handily the Swarm.  All year in the
Northwest tournies, the Verge had beaten the Swarm.  So they were the crowd
favorite.  In the first half the Verge lead the way but when the Verge let
their guard down for a few points, it was the turnaround for the Swarm.
Great offense and saving dives by the Swarm soon made them the leader by
several points to win 15-12.  It was an exciting game all around and it will
be yet another battle when these two teams meet again.

In the Men's games, there were two pools.
Pool A :
1. Oregon Rhino Slam
2. Humboldt Buds
3. Mount-n-loaf
4. Portland Men on the Merge.

Pool B:
1: Seattle Sockeye
2. Cutthroat
3. Portland Hoodlums
4. Corvallis Sundawgs

In the qtrs, the Rhinos played Corvallis, Cutthroat vs the Buds, Sockeye vs Mount-n-loaf, Hoodlums vs Hammerheads.
Semis matched the Cutthroats vs the Rhinos and Sockeye vs Hoodlums.  Finals
consisted of the Rhinos vs the Sockeye.  As before, the Rhinos had beaten
the Sockeye all year in the NW tournies so the Sockeye were really hungry.

It was a close game with the Sockeye leaping out ahead with a two point lead
for most of the game. In the last point, Jude Stoller of the Sockeye intercepteda pass in Rhino territory and the disc was worked down to the end zone where
it was caught by Hans Frederick from a 30 yd knifer thrown by Jude.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo))
Subject: Doob/Dube derivation?
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:41:58 GMT


Does anyone out there know (I'm sure _someone_ out there does) where
the word "doob" or "dube" or whatever for a layout comes from?  As in
"Game to 5, doob rule!"

Thanks muchly,
           Davebo


djweisberger@amherst.edu			Amherst
djweisbe@amhux3.amherst.edu			Flying
						Squirrels
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: rugh@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nick Rugh)
Subject: A and B divisions in Sectionals
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:13:00 GMT

Does anyone know if there will be A and B divisions in the
DC, MD, VA (and whatever other states) sectionals held at St.
Mary's?  And if so does that mean that there will be A and
B divisions at Regionals?  Thanks in advance.

Nick