HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:10:16 GMT
 <1992Jul6.150050.28493@tc.cornell.edu> <1992Jul13.061215.18692@wam.umd.edu>
 <1992Jul24.231414.7259@thinkage.on.ca>
Organization: University of Maine System

i want one of those silly signs that says:

    Caution
Premenstrual bitch on board!

wouldn't fit ver well, tho...

                                        -ailsa
It's not what you got, it's what you give           _______________
It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: A New Boom and Bust Theory
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:10:24 GMT

Arne Adolphson writes:
> Oh, goody.  Do you have any funny jokes about hooters to share
> with us?  Maybe some jiggling boobs anecdotes?  I'd *love* to hear
> them, as I'm sure a lot of here would.

I found the article funny because of the extremely dry tone in which
it expressed the absurd, not because I think breasts are inherently
amusing.  I will admit the possibility that I am not seeing its
offensiveness to women due to some denseness on my part; however given
that the original poster was a woman and Arne is not, I also think
there is a possibility that he is being oversensitive.  In any case
there is not much to be done about it at this stage except forget it.

,
Eamonn
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.martial-arts
From: brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet)
Subject: Re: Gay martial artists (was Re: aikido!)
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:08:20 GMT

Why "come out" to the dojo?
My sex life is my own business, it never comes up,
unless you are in the habbit of being picked up my your mate and 
ramming your tounge down his/her/it's:) thoat,..
I am a hetro [if somewhat nlucky one:(] But I don't see
to many people bring up their sex lives  in tyhe dojo
maybe if you develop some friendships then sure.    
I don't go to a dojo and give everyone an autobiography.
If someone asks me about some aspect about my personality
I tell them, I guess the same standered should be used for 
leaving the old closet.As to if the truth should be told,
I guess that depends on your evaluation of the situation and
the people involved.

I FLEX IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!! :)
VOLCANO

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: greed@bnr.ca (Graham Reed)
Subject: Re: Queers in Martial-Arts!
Reply-To: greed@bnr.ca (Graham Reed)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:47:13 GMT

In article <asuccop.712440851@milton>, asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
|> >        John Kominetz, III           __
|> >  Commodore Apps and Tech Support    \/      4th kyu Aikido Ki No Kawa

|> 	nice to see other queer aikido folks around!

Okay, I'm not in Aikido; I'm in judo (5th kyu). *I* think its great to see other
queer M-A folks around!

I joined Judo for two reasons: The official one (I.E. to friends and classmates)
was to learn some self-defence skills (as a gay man, this may, unfortunately, be
important). The unofficial one (I.E. to my parents and people in the Judo club
at University) was I actually like it. I had done about 4 months of Judo when
I was 12, i.e. a decade ago, but didn't really get enough encouragement to
stay with it.

In rec.m-a, during a "Sexism in the Dojo" thread, someone branched off to
"Other bigotry in the Dojo" and came out as a gay black-belt (don't remember
which art.) There were are couple of very positive posts, and then that thread
was derailed back to sexism.... (Which was being discussed in merely two or
three other threads....)

Have any motss.m-a'ers (Queer martial-artists) had any noteworthy experiences
in the dojo (or whatever your term for training area is), either positive or
negative? A couple of the judoka at Queen's (Canada, I know the post was
marked as "Distribution: usa") saw me at one of the LGB info tables during
frosh week, and smiled and said hi. Neither mentioned it afterwards, though.
(But one was really good looking. Sigh.)

-- 
   Graham Reed  <>  Internet: greed@bnr.ca
        self.Opinions != BNR.Opinions

No quote; it was confiscated by Customs.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: Fashion Plate
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:12:15 GMT

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>> In article <asuccop.712002112@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>>	xaviera hollender calls your house?
>>	annemarie, impressed

>Ugh.  Not this revolting thread again.
>-- 
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu


	well, jojo, *i'm* still impressed.  tsilke's gotten into 
	your leather pants (as it were), you've got an article in dpn, you
	live in a house of wonders, & we've somehow managed to piss
	melinda off.

	too bad you aren't coming to portland; i would have had to
	drive down & meet you.

	annemarie, being silly
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: There was this sign in the window...
Keywords: @$#!% NewsWatcher bug...
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:48:15 GMT

Elaine Richards (booter@Autodesk.COM) wrote:
 
> I think the sign was misguided and impolite. I suspect the propositioning
> was intended to be funny.

Nope, I wasn't there, and it doesn't matter one bit; if
what I think *didn't* happen there, it's happened so many
other times that the story's the same.  There need have
been no 'propositioning' whatsoever--the mere existance
of all those *homosexuals* around these poor guys was
enough to clench their assholes tight with fear.

Merely being gay is an affront to their moral sensibility,
their fragile masculinity, their very Lifestyle; the
currently popular phrase seems to be "shoving it down their
throats".  Not doing everything they can to wipe out the
disgusting cocksuckers means they "condone" homosexuality.

> If I were a straight man working in that parade, I don't think I would
> have bothered with a sign, but just laughed it off with a simple 
> "Thank you, but I'm taken."

Perhaps *you* would have, but not them.  These are the men
who can't stand to be left in a room with a queer, because
the faggot will probably "jump him".  These are the men who
are so defenseless that they can't shower if there's a faggot
around for fear that they'll drop their soap.  These are the
men who are lean, mean, fighting machines, able to whup a
few Iraqis before breakfast, but tremble at the thought that
there might be a homo in the next bunk.

"I'm gay" *is* sexual harrassment to these pitiful creatures
masquerading as men.  Just try to imagine having to face,
say, 10,000 all at the same time.  They thought their
patronizing little sign was *sensitive*.

Honestly, Elaine, I wanted to work this up into a really
good flame, but this was just too funny a suggestion:

> ... the could have put up a sign saying, 
> "DO NOT FEED THE BEARS", ....

Goodness!  For most of the men I know, just such a sign
would have inflamed such ursine passion that these poor
drivers wouldn't have had a chance to escape having
homosexuality shoved down their...um, throats.

--jns
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fiction
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:24:48 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Jul19.120431.8089@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>[That's not writing, that's typing. --Truman Capote]
>
><> Truman Capote has made lying an art.  A *minor* art.
><> -- Gore Vidal

Did Capote ever comment on the feud between them? Vidal, of
course, claims that it was a case of un-requited love (lust?
limerence?) on the part of Capote, but that's only his side of
the story.

Also, I wonder if Vidal will be as critical of his cousin's
running for vice-president as he was of his running for president
four years ago....

--
       David R. Preston  drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
          We're here, we're bored, but we won't be ignored!
   B4 f+ t- k+ s-/+ r P8/4 S6 b+/- g- l-/+ y- z/! n o+/++ x a+ u v-- j++
          D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Xref: sparky soc.motss:31990 soc.bi:9264
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:07:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.160750.19179
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Jul21.140239.19256@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>A few weeks ago on the GayNet list we hashed out the word
>"monosexual."  I continued to defend it and its use for a while, until
>I realized that what I was attacking so vitriolically was not
>"monosexuality," but monosexism, and it was ridiculous of me to
>continue lumping in the brilliant and wonderful queers I have known
>with the straight and narrow ones.

It depends on the point you want to make.  I have no objection to
being called a "monosexual"--again, in the context of "bi pride".
I mean, I have many women friends, but I wouldn't know what to do
with them in bed.  If you tried to use it disparagingly outside of
that context, I'd have to ask you what you thought was so awful about
what I am.  But mostly, I'd understand the context.  It's a tweak,
a slight "dig" at what you are and I'm not.

Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
homosocial (if you will)?  Every bisexual I know has a MOTOS on
hir arm but also professes interest in MOTSS. :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: homo-sects
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.085111.22065@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Have you considered hanging out with some radical faeries?
>Unfortunately, I'm not really qualified as a spokesman for them, but
>they seem to me to elevate faggotry into a spirituality. They take
>along neo-paganism, though...

more like neo-neo-neo-paganism, ie "we make up our religion as we go
along, doesn't everybody?"

Loud shrieking chantings of "Channel Judy! Channel Judy!" in circle
on 5th avenue is a pretty spiritual experience if your spirit has
any sense of humor at all.  Or everyone sticking their feet up in
the air and chanting "Heeling circle!  Heeling circle!"

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fashion Plate
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:59:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul26.225916.2468
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <asuccop.712002112@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>
>	xaviera hollender calls your house?
>
>	annemarie, impressed

So does Yoko Ono, J. Paul Getty, Jimmy Sommerville, whatsisface from
"Army of Lovers" (the blond one), the Tynans (you have to be British),
Vangelis, Brian Eno; I sleep in a bed which has provided comfort to
the famous "Lesbian Nuns", Paul McCartney, oh, on and on and on - I
can't reven remember the names when I first arrived. These are the
calls I've intercepted accidentally. I had to explain to Al Goldstein
in person ("Screw", "Moneysworth") once why he had difficulty wearing
a crocodile skin jacket dyed flourescent green through customs; it
wasn't documented as not coming from an endangered species. I think he
was the most outrageous asshole I've ever met in my life. I just gave
some porno pictures of myself to a madam for her catalogue "Are you
haireee? My meeenister vants to know, do you have a haireee chest,
cherie?". (I'm all excited because I just realized that a
20-minute-long scene from "Goldiggers of 1935" has a chorus of women
all wearing black vinyl halter tops and black vinyl pants. The things
you see in the house.).

As FJ!
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 23:00:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.222058.24928@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  Well, he can't possibly understand *my* life either!

BZZZZZT!  Wrong.

Non-SWMs are indoctrinated to understand the SWM experience from birth;
part of our development is fighting to build the tools to understand our
own, different experience.

>  Anyway, exclaiming one's own victimhood has never impressed me.

...because you've never experienced it; you get to persist in the delusion
that we are all equally powerful, and victimhood is a preventable,
self-created delusion.  More evidence that you are ill-equipped to judge
our experience.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss,ba.motss
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Subject: Any Gay Women Pen Pals Out There?
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:01:32 GMT

Hi!
I'm 34, 125lbs, 5'5" fun loving woman looking for pen pals
(NOT sex) in the bay area as well as all over the world. I
live in San Francisco 4 blocks from the Castro.

My interests include camping, hiking, orienteering, travel
(just got back from Hawaii),photography, videomaking, jogging,
computer aided design (CAD), creative leadership techniques, humor,
plain and simple English, Thai food, and a barrage of odd things
(well not that odd).

Music wise I enjoy jazz,c/w,foreign, and classical music. Magazines
I subscribe to are International design, California Explorer,Video, and 
Backpacker.

Before I joined Usernet 3 weeks ago, I enjoyed writing letters the old
fashioned way. The plus about letters is that I could share my photos,
but the drawback was the time and cost of sending letters. I enjoy
the spontaneity and mystery of Usernet.

I hope you will write to me and share your interests, experiences, and the 
things you enjoy about your town.

PS Please ignore this "CL" . I can't seem to delete it.  Also,if
you would please refer to me in your return headline as friend from
SF rather than gay woman. I hope to hear fromyou soon!

--VA
                     Cl
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Unitarian Universalists vote pro-LGB
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:28:58 GMT

In article <3986@news.duke.edu>, on 21 Jul 92 19:05:44 GMT,
John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:

>
>1400 delegates to the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations,
>meeting in General Assembly in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, on July 30, 1992,
>passed the following resolution UNANIMOUSLY.                *************
>
Is this a prediction, or have you time-travelled just to tell us this?
:-)

-jbn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Children
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:38:59 GMT

The note on the library book about a child with a gay father, and
someone's reaction "The library is imparting values. We want to impart
values ourselves." rang a bell in my head.

An interesting problem in the United States is that parents believe
that it is their right and privilege (hey RY, check out the spelling,
dude!) to be the sole determinant of the their child's values.

Why?

It is an interesting problem, because it denies the child the right to
be fully informed about a number of issues of great importance to the
child's life in the modern world if the parent decides not to tell
them about it because they want the child to grow up believing it
doesn't happen. This isn't a trivial thing.

In the arena of sexual politics, all reason flies out the window.
Children are not allowed to be taught all facets of sexuality in most
communities because it disagrees with parents wanting their child to
be kept simple, to protect their "innocence". The same reasoning is
used in some Muslim cultures to keep women uninformed about a number
of things so they can live a delightfully thought-free life until they
have to cope with not being someone's chattel.

Unfortunately, children interact with 'informed' adults; they aren't
sequestered like the "innocents" of other cultures. Children also
interact with each other at ages when it is important that they know
the consequences of their actions. Innocence is abruptly ripped away
sometimes with an unwanted pregnancy, the discovery that loneliness
may merely be a reaction to being queer, venereal diseases, starting
drug abuse habits, and lately the possibility of HIV infection. I
think, in a way, much adolescent angst is the unpleasantness of 'real
life' asserting itself in contrast to a sheltered childhood.

So. Why should a parent have the right to deny basic information to a
child about such things? Why should't the lesbian and gay community
have the right to demand that, for children who are invisible menbers,
they be fully informed about what their feelings are, and could mean
in a non-heterosexual context; why shouldn't the community at large
have the right to demand that since the burden of much disease
prevention falls on everyone, that everyone's children be informed
about such.  And most of all, since children don't have a voice for
choice, being uninformed, why don't they have the right to know all
the latest information about sex, love, and reproduction. You wouldn't
be able to imagine a school which doesn't teach about the Civil War or
Arithmetic because parents don't want their children to know. Why
shouldn't reading and writing be approached with the same gravity as
reproduction?







-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Going on Vacation (was: British Pronounciation)
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:11:55 GMT

kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
: 
: And one more obvious one:
: 
: Provincetown		P-TOWN
: 

Speaking P-TOWN, I will be away from the net until Aug. 3rd. I and assorted
sisters, brothers, SOs, etc. will be in Dennisport on the Cape, which reminds 
me of one of my favorite highway signs (although it makes my straight nephew 
Dennis rather uneasy ;-) ). The signs are to tell you you've arrived at the 
town of Dennis, and they read:

		ENTERING DENNIS


Kathy, sorry I won't be at motss.con, but not sorry for the reason why!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Argggg (Job market)
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:01:08 GMT

After sending out dozens of Resumes to head hunters all I've had are
a few offers for sysadmin work in some inaccessable location.

Does any one know of any places on the T in/around Boston, or in Worcester
that have C/unix programming or sysadmin work available?

Bush staffer-
 Has this guy been making much of a stink? I haven't seen anything in
 the paper yet.
-- 
>>Unix/C Contract worker available 5 years C/unix work experience<<  ______
Available for Telecommuting/Travel and contracts on the T Line       \    /
in the Boston MA area. Send me e-mail for a copy of my Resume.        \  /
       -- VWIS 508-793-9568 (2400 baud), Linux support BBS.--          \/
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: There was this sign in the window...
Keywords: @$#!% NewsWatcher bug...
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:55:22 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <157@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.212842.5754@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>You're being entirely too sensitive to the red-herring of
>>"sexual harassment" here, but your BS detector is right-on.
>>I think the notion that these morons got propositioned by
>>anyone at the march is as likely as Frank Rizzo being
>>reincarnated as a drag queen.

I suspect it was on the level of "show us your dicks".

>This reminds me of the little "no lot lizards" sign some truckers have
>in their windows.  I find it interesting that someone would advertise
>that they *don't* want sex as their first communication with strangers.

More like they don't want to be disturbed as they're trying to get
some sleep in a truck stop. Think of it as a "do not disturb" sign
for the "yew wunt sum cump'ny" crowd.

--
       David R. Preston  drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
          We're here, we're bored, but we won't be ignored!
   B4 f+ t- k+ s-/+ r P8/4 S6 b+/- g- l-/+ y- z/! n o+/++ x a+ u v-- j++
          D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Zap Plans for Republican National Convention
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:37:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul30.223707.7563
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul30.211249.2703@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>Activists from several Midwestern chapters of the Democratic
>Socialists of America (DSA), Queer Nation, and ACT UP are planning a
>caravan to the Republican National Convention in Houston

Some friends of mine from Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington are
also going. Sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.

Be careful, though - Houston cops are evil.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/    The look in his eyes when it hit - kid, it was tasty...
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:17:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Jul21.221722.12158
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Jul21.192445.16727@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>
>ry, would you like to raise a brat with me?

For you, my *RED* *HEADED* *STUD*, I would wear polyester, and shop at
Kmart.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:27:46 GMT

  Something I just thought of...

jd> Jeff Dauber

jd> I'll tell you something that you are not going to like, and I bet that
jd> almost any woman or gay man you ask will agree with me:
jd>    There is one group of people who frighten me more than any other (if
jd>    I see them on the street, I will get the fuck into a safe place):  
jd>    heterosexual males between the ages of 16 and 25.

jd> Do you fall in that group?  Do you understand why I am afraid of them?

  Do you suppose that a group of thugs like this will avoid attacking *me*
  just because I'm a het male too? Did you see the videotape made by a few
  of these thugs as they went about bashing people? The victim I recall most
  clearly was an older black man, who was hit so hard by one of these thugs
  that he was knocked unconscious. As I recall, they later shot him in the
  ass, amongst other things. Do you suppose his lack of gayness (I'm assum-
  ing he wasn't gay) really made any difference?

  If you and I were standing alone in a group of these thugs, do you really
  think I wouldn't get bashed too? Gay men (and women) are hardly the only
  (or probably even most numerous) victims of these jerks. Indeed, I under-
  stand that they usually prey upon each other.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF