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From: sramirez@milos.intel.com (Steve Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys lose to RAMS???
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:29:27 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
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In article <1992Nov16.193958.21384@coe.montana.edu> icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean) writes:
>I will chalk this one up to inexperience, and a great game plan by the Rams
> and their coaching staff.  

I agree, I think the Rams have had the talent for a while, just not a 
very good coaching staff. Their one of those teams who can look really 
good one week and really bad the next. In their first game against the
ninnies er.. I mean Niners, that was the first time I had seen the Rams
this year and I was very impressed with Everett and Gary, it's too bad 
their teammates could hang onto the ball, the Niners defense wasn't stoping
them at all. They are still too inconsistent to win it all, but I would 
at like to show the Niners that their first meeting and yesterday's win
was not a fluke. 

That way I could say my two favorite teams beat the Niners this year, and
no I'm not a Buffalo fan.


--
sramirez@sedona.intel.com  "'E was the vilest geezer I ever met, all misshapen,
'unchbacked, no 'air, flat feet.. ev'ryone 'ated 'im. Ev'ryone 'ated me, too.
We 'ated each other, but no one else would talk to us so we'd just sit around
and get drunk and criticize each other"     - Sid Vicious on Johnny Rotten
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers still suck - TOP 10
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:30:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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In article <1992Nov17.174238.24867@equalizer.cray.com> mcs@fps.com (Mike  
Sanfratello) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.132117.2509@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)  
writes:
> TOP 10 MOST PATHETIC EVENTS IN MONDAYS GAME:
> 
> 1) taking away two Bills touchdowns on the same drive

This was pretty blatant.  Thomas, the best all around player in the league  
(IMHO), was denied although he definitely knocked the "pilon" thingy, which is  
normally proof enough for a TD.
 
> 8) Jim Kelly's toss to avoid the sack uncalled

This was as bad as the taking away of Thomas's TD.  Kelly is running back with  
nothing but Dolphin defenders in his face, he throws the ball right to the  
ground!  Big time grounding!
 
> 9) bringing both teams from the locker room to announce that the half is over

I thought that this was the funniest call in history!

> 10) the refs consistent inability to even know the number of the player
>     committing the infraction.

Even the MNF announcers who most people in this group think suck were able to  
get the numbers of the players right more often than the refs!

--------------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
E-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: QB Ratings, How do you figure?
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.235156.2528@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> sport@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>I know this has asked many times, but I must ask again.

Why?

>How does the NFL figure its QB ratings?  i know there is a formula, but I don't
>know what it is.  Can someone E-mail me how to figure it out?

Gary Strand posts the formula to this newsgroup every week.  Look
in one of his posts.  There was an article a couple days ago
talking about info available via ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu or
somesuch.  Find that article.
-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: 49ers release Green
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 19 NOV 92 09:58:05    

In article <1992Nov18.202053.18837@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>The 49ers released defensive end Jacob Green yesterday, just a couple of
>weeks after picking him up. He was used very little while he was here.

When I saw that the 49ers had waived a DE I said "Geez, I wonder who 
the Packers are going to cut to make room for him on the roster."  But 
since he's been with the 9ers only a few weeks I guess the Packers 
current DL players are safe - for now.

JGH
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jones....Touchdown 49'errrrrrs!
Keywords: 49'ers       21
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:01:00 GMT
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Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <4835@equinox.unr.edu>, harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris) 
	writes...

>BTW, the 9'ers two minute offense was a work of art. Absolutely perfect. 

No.  The Bills running the no-huddle makes every other team's two-minute offense
look befuddled and disarrayed by comparison.  Just how fast and how efficiently
they run it amazes me every time I see it.

BILLS 26, 'FINS 20

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: Re: What the off means
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:57:12 GMT
Organization: work
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

: 
: 	God I hate Denver.
: 
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 	I think I would hate Denver even if they weren't division rivals
	of the Raiders, though I can't explain why. I don't hate
	KC the way I hate Denver. And it isn't just me. What is it about
	that team?

	-keith
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Current standings, week #11
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:01:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <meskes.722161935@ulysses>, meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
(Michael Meskes) writes:

(Just about everything deleted)

>Seattle Seahawks      1  9  0  .100  59 194 0-4    1-5    1-6    0-3    0-4
                                     ^^^^
Can you believe this?  I heard a really pathetic stat on sunday. . . The
seahawks have punted more times than they have scored points.  71 punts, 59
points.
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - I wish a robot would
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         get elected president.  That way, when he came
215-758-0875            to town, we could all take a shot at him and not
                        feel too bad.
From: roberto@oas.olivetti.com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Predictions
Summary: Go Niners - Go NFC
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:57:04 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

NFC East                 NFC Central            NFC West
1. Dallas       13- 3    1. Minnesota 11- 5     1. San Francisco 13- 3
2. Philadelphia 10- 6    2. Chicago    8- 8     2. New Orleans   13- 3
3. New York      9- 7    3. Green Bay  7- 9     3. Los Angeles    6-10
4. Washington    9- 7    4. Tampa Bay  5-11     4. Atlanta        5-11
5. Phoenix       5-11    5. Detroit    3-13

WC (6@3)   New York     @ Minnesota        MINNESOTA
   (5@4)   Philadelphia @ New Orleans      NEW ORLEANS

   (4@1)   New Orleans  @ San Francisco    NEW ORLEANS
   (3@2)   Minnesota    @ Dallas           MINNESOTA

NFC Championship Game
   (4@3)   New Orleans  @ Minnesota        MINNESOTA


AFC East                 AFC Central            AFC West
1. Buffalo      12- 4    1. Pittsburgh 12- 4    1. Kansas City   10- 6
2. Miami        11- 5    2. Houston    10- 6    2. San Diego     10- 6
3. New York      5-11    3. Cleveland   7- 9    3. Denver         9- 7
4. Indianapolis  4-12    4. Cincinnati  7- 9    4. Los Angeles    7- 9
5. New England   2-14                           5. Seattle        1-15

WC (6@3)   San Diego    @ Kansas City      SAN DIEGO
   (5@4)   Houston      @ Miami            HOUSTON

   (6@1)   San Diego    @ Buffalo          BUFFALO
   (5@2)   Houston      @ Pittsburgh       HOUSTON

AFC Championship Game
   (5@1)   Houston      @ Buffalo          BUFFALO



SUPERBOWL
   Minnesota     vs     Buffalo            BUFFALO


Roberto Ricca  (~60% accuracy predictor)  -  GO NINERS
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From: johndoe@crispus.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Chargers win in middle of moronic "fans"
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:15:28 GMT

In article <41050@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>Nowhere have I seen such moronic behaviour from a bunch of imbecile fans than
>in the dog-pound in Cleveland. Nice outfits, nice woofing... but they are a
>bunch of IDIOTIC BOZOS. They kept pelting the SD players with snowballs 
>everytime they could. The WRs would run routes and get pelted. The punter,
>the kicker, the team would get pelted everytime they were close. Play 
>was stopped once to give them a warning, but it kept going on and on. When
>Carney was kicking the crucial extra point to win the game, snowballs were
>landing in front of him. 
>
>I understand that it is a few fans who behave like that, and that the 
>majority of the Browns' fans are nice people who disapprove of that behaviour.
>But it has to stop. Do anything you can to stop it. Put police in front of
>the stand and throw out the bums. If that doesn't help, leave the stand empty
>for one game. 

i have to agree with you about the browns fans.  recall just a couple of
years ago, when denver went into cleveland.  they were attempting to come
out of that same end zone when players were getting pelted ... one of them
got hit on the head with a battery (9v or D cell, i presume).  the refs had
to move them down to come out of the other end zone.

this ended up having a later negative effect, as the broncos missed a long
fg into the wind, kosar threw a couple of passes to move the browns about 30
yards, and then the browns ended up winning 16-13 on a last second fg.

-johndoe

p.s. of course, the broncos were also the beneficiaries of similar
shenanigans several years prior to this, when sf was in town for a monday
night game, and their kicker missed a short fg when a snowball came flying
in from the end zone stands and hit either the ball or the holder just as
the kicker was kicking.  sf lost 17-16.
From: wytten@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach)
Subject: Re: Vikings Trivia
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:13:33 GMT

In <1992Nov14.041200.24012@news.stolaf.edu> karki@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (David K Karki) writes:
>trivia on probably the biggest single play in Vikings history.

I'll play.  Heck, I was 10 years old at the time and the scars remain :-)

>1) What was the famous play? Why was it so famous?

The 'Hail Mary' which on which the Vikings lost the NFC championship game.
People like to say that was the best Vikes team of the 70's, but I don't
necessarily take that as anything but a "could've been" lament.

>2) What team did the Vikings play?

The Cowboys.

>3) What stadium was the game played in?

Metropolitan Stadium, Bloomington, MN

>4) Who was the quarterback on the field during the play?

Roger Staubach

>5) Who was the player most directly involved?

Drew Pearson

>6) Who were the defenders on the play?

Nate Wright and ...?  Paul Krause I 'spose.

>7) Who did the winning team go on to play?

Why, the AFC Champions, of course.  Okay, I'll guess the Steelers.

>8) BONUS) What was the infamous reaction of a fan in the stands?

A drunken fan bounced a liquor bottle off a official's head.  I still
remember the 1975 Sports Illustrated description of Nate Wright on the
ground: "slipped, tripped, or was pushed".  Most Vikings fans call it
offensive pass interference.

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From: ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)
Subject: Re: It' official
Keywords: Seahawks
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:07:27 GMT

In article <seale.721943838@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff)) writes:
>In case you missed it yesterday, the soon-to-be-St. Louis
>Patriots won a game. This officially makes our Seahawks the
>worst team in the NFL. Actually, there really wasn't much
>doubt before yesterday. New england scored half as many points
>in one game as the Seahawks.
>Someone shoot me, please.
>-A disgruntled Seahawk fan praying that there is a draft next year!
>
>
>

I have some questions about the Seahawks that perhaps others in the
real world can answer.

What is the offensive line like? Is it good enough to prevent the
QBs from getting massacred, or is it truly awful? It would seem
that the 'Hawks should be able to get a decent running game going
with John L. Williams as a back (true, not a superstar, but competent).

IMHO, the defense looks alright. I do not recall many games where
teams ran up 30+ points on Seattle (unless I'm going senile). They
are in the middle of the pack in terms of points allowed.

Looks like (if there is a draft) that the 'Hawks primary goal is
some offensive line types. In addition, an experienced QB (like
Beurlein?) might be a useful addition.

Face reality. It going to take time to rebuild, unless the owners
and coach can come up with some luck/genius that the Cowboys tandem
did.

Oh Jeff, BTW: *bang*  1/2-:)

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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: A good QB for the Vikes.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:59:58 GMT

Just looking at the Vikings' standings in the NFC sortof scares
me.  Even as a Vikings' fan, I have to acknowledge that this
team is one of the more over-rated teams in the NFL.  They
could win the Central Division on Sunday, being the first team
in the NFL to clinch, WITHOUT HAVING BEATEN A WINNING TEAM!

The only good thing that might come out of this is that they
will play 5 tough games before the play-offs and might be able 
to tune the offensive problems before the games start to count.

I think the main problem is actually the wide-outs and Gannon.
I don't think the receivers are getting open, and when they
are open, Gannon isn't hitting them.  I know they can operate
together, so I'm not throwing the towel in on the play-offs
yet, but they have to get together and produce a consistent
passing game.  The Vikings will win every game for the rest
of the year in which Gannon does not throw an interception.
You heard it here first.



-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
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"Harbaugh back to throw, screen to Anderson, and it's PICKED off by
 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes Lose To Oilers
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:33:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxsF41.HzB
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Ur conclusions from the radio broadcast is bonafide. The offence
was inept and there were lot of dropped passes and Gannon was
just off color. The O looked totally unimaginative and if not 
for the stellar performance by the D, the Vikes would have
been humiliated by the Oilers.

The latest news says that Moon is out with a broken collar.
My final conclusion is if the Vikes cannot make anything
out of this season, then the O will be the prime cause for
the down fall.

S.H
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:09:16 EST
From: <JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills are Roboteam

Need 5 reasons why the Bills are the best team in football.

1) Unbelievable subs - Matzelaars and Kenny Davis are starters on most teams
and this linebacker Maddox has been very impressive, not to mention Frank
Reich.

2) Good defense - It's not great, just good enough to win a Superbowl.

3) Player Flexibility - Bennet playing middle LB is the best example, but
when an offensive lineman has more TD receptions than Art Monk, that says
something about the overall ability of the Bills players.

4) Balance on offense - Before the Falcons game, the Bills had run the ball
EXACTLY as many times as they had thrown the football.  The offensive line
deserves the credit for this because they can both run and pass block.

5) Spectacular Special Teams - Steve Christie hit a 47 yard field goal
yesterday, and for you Bills fans out there, you know that this is an
accomplishment that Norwood wouldn't have even been sent out to attempt last
year.  Also Steve Tasker broke a bone in his hand or wrist and left the game
yesterday, only to return later with a cast on his hand, hitting players as
hard as ever.

I welcome comments.
I can back up anything I have said and don't mind at all - I took the Bet II.

Joe C. - A Frank Reich Wanna Be
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From: bryan@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Bryan LittleField )
Subject: Re: Raiders
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:52:08 PST

In article <1egu5qINNogh@phakt.usc.edu> subrahma@usc.edu (Sudhakar Subrahmanyam) writes:
>I have always wondered why the LA RAIDERS do not have any representation in
>this newsgroup. Does this mean that (according to popular beliefs), their fans
>are confined to the gangs and truck drivers and illeterate people who do not
>have access to the NET?  I still think that they are the team to beat provided 
>everybody in the team get going as a whole, forgetting their squabbles with Al
>Davis. FLames welcome!!
>Go Raiders! Superbowl '93 - here come the Raiders!
>

 I think the Raiders will start doing great again when Al Davis
 lets the coachs (Art Shell) make the game plans without his
 interference, especially on offense !!!!!

 GO RAIDERS !!!!

 --Bryan
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE PLAY - STANFORD/CAL
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:07:32
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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In-reply-to: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com's message of Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:39:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.203939.11421@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

=>I hate to admit it, but I think the officials made the correct call under
=>the circumstances. With instant replay, I think all sorts of infractions
=>could be found which would nullify the play, but in real time I think
=>they did the best they could have done.

According to an article in Friday's _SF Chronicle_, the refs were
actually quite happy that Cal had scored.  The head referee (who was
unaware that Moen had run over a trombone player in the end zone) was
about to award Cal a touchdown because Stanford players had mobbed the
field.

It was all reenacted today by the Cal Band at halftime of today's Cal
game.

ethan
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: IN DEFENSE OF GANNON
Keywords: VIKINGS
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:37:48 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

=>Hold on fellas, lets not start the GANNON BASHING quite so soon.  I agree 
=>that he has been ineffective to say the least the last couple of weeks.  
=>I feel like as much blame can be put on the Play Calling as much as 
=>anything.  The LOB to A.C. was a timeing pattern, I find it hard to blame
=>Rich for that, why wasn't a play action called on at least 2nd down if
=>not on 1st down?  I was not pleased with the play calling in the HOUSTON
=>game either; run pass run pass run run pass run pass etc. establishing
=>neither a running or passing attack to open up the other, I beleive they
=>threw on 1st down just once, whith the recievers we have? cmon.  In any\
=>event, the VIKES are doomed should a QB controversy raise his ugly head
=>yet again.
/jeff 
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Originator: delarocq@c00505-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:22:33 GMT





  Now, give me a break. How can someone predict a Bills vs. 49ers
Super Bowl, and say that the 49ers are going to win?? The Bills 
already proved they could beat those 49ers, so I think that the
Bills are still underrated. Don't give me this garbage about SF
having so many points against Atlanta: The Bills always paste the
Colts by that amount!!! I don't care, the Bills would win that
scenario! Prove me wrong, go ahead. I want to debate!!!! :)
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
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