From: sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: alt.discrimination = alt.caucasian whining
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:38:02 GMT
Organization: Society for the Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless

In article <93008.070837KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan07.114650.26259@anomaly.sbs.com>, kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com
>(Michael P. Deignan) says:
>>
>>dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>
>>>The fact is that whites are STILL
>>>discriminating against blacks.
>>
>>...and blacks still discriminate against whites.
>
>    This is interesting.  Some Blacks may be prejudiced against whites, no
>question about that, but discrimination?  You are going to have to give
>specifics with Blacks discriminating against whites.  In order to discriminate
>one has to have control over something.  What do Blacks control enough to
>discriminate?  You are going to have to give specifics.

Does the name Spike Lee ring a bell?  When he tells a studio that only
a black publicist can work on his film, is that racial discrimination?
When he tells a magazine that only a black reporter can interview him,
is that discrimination?

>     No one is asking for special treatment, but we are asking for a "level
>playing field".  Because of the institutionalized discrimination that was (and
>still is) in this country, Blacks have not been able to compete fairly.  Until
>the playing field is level, somethings are going to have to be as they now are.
>It is the white man who discriminated on the basis of a physical characteristic
>for so long that things are the way they are.  Place the finger pointing in the
>right direction.

So you want a "level playing field" as long as it's tilted in your
direction?  In the paragraph above, you start by giving lip service to
a "level playing field", then you insist that because it isn't level,
it must be tilted toward you.  Some people just want to level it, and
you're making our job harder.

>>>Fact is that I, as an African American
>>>will continue to help my people attain their goals while you as a Caucasian
>>>American will do what you can to help your people hold onto whatever they    e
>>stol
>>>in the past.

Wrong.  I want everybody to be as productive as possible, because that
causes there to exist the most stuff that I can buy.

>   Who is talking about stealing?

Try re-reading your paragraph above.  (Or isn't "stol" a typo for
"stole", the past tense of "to steal"?)

>    I think we can learn that, we aren't all idiots like you think. Until
>whites give us a fair and even playing field, then some concessions are going
>to have to made.

I see.  You want this "fair and even playing field" handed to you on a
platter; you're not willing to work for it.  And until you get it as a
gift, you insist on special treatment.

>  And you are telling me that whites don't receive "special
>treatment" (look at the tax codes sometime).

I have.  I see special deductions for people who are over 65 and for
people who are blind.  On what line of the 1040 does the special
deduction for whites go?

>  No, you cannot legislate away
>people's discriminatory tendencies, but you sure as hell can make it illegal
>to discriminate.  Discrimination is anti-democratic.  If you think we should
>let people discriminate because it is human nature to discriminate, then you
>have problems.

Then why do you keep insisting that society discriminate in your favor?

>  And as a Black person, whose people do not discriminate because
>we don't own enough of America to discriminate,

You don't have to own very much to discriminate.  You can choose to
buy your newspaper at one newsstand instead of another because of the
race of the proprietor; that's discrimination.  It doesn't require
very much money.

Seth

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