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From: POBERMARCK@intellicorp.com (Phil Obermarck)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Keeping down the smell
Date: 19 Nov 1992 12:33:43 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
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Hmm... Can't say that I ever noticed any unpleasant smells around
horses, before. ;-)

It seems to me, that if you clean the paddocks frequently enough, there
isn't much of a buildup of smells, and for some reason, our manure pile
doesn't seem to stink unless you're on top of it.  Even then it's not
overpowering.

My guess is that some people are just overly sensitive to horse smells.
Me? I don't mind horses, but I gag around goats!

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From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Black Stallion (was Horsey Dinner Theatres...)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:40:36 GMT

Jill wrote (some deleted):
>The stallion's name is Cass Ole and he is owned by the Cuello family,
>San Antonio Arabians in San Antonio, Texas.  I visited them once, beautiful
>farm, beautiful horse...

I've often wondered if he was still alive. He was magnificent especially
running free on the beach! Every horse-crazy teen (of any age) would sigh
over that, I think!

>>Speaking of Walter Farley and the Black Stallion books, has anyone else
>>ever wondered how the heck they got an Arabian Stallion in the Kentucky
>>Derby? ;-) Aw, artistic license. Of course, I think Walter was only 17
>>when he wrote his first book in the late 30's. Great stuff though!

>Well, OK, I've read the books a billion times in my youth.  The race was
>not the Kentucky Derby, it was a special "match race" between the fastest
>East coast horse and the fastest West Coast horse.  "The Black" got in
>by appealing to a radio announcer.  Also, the book often repeats that
>the stallion is "too big to be pure Arabian" and that they know nothing
>about his breeding (since they got him from after the shipwreck and all
>of the other passengers were drowned.)

No doubt you are right. I seem to remember that too now. There were also
"sons" of his who were trotting horses, etc., etc., etc. Right?

>Sheesh...  scary how much I know about those books and movie.  Must have
>something to do with being a very very horse crazy pre-teen when the movie
>came out...  (8
>
>                                      Jill

Well, Jill, you obviously are a "little" younger than I am. But let me
assure you that long before the movie came out, the books were feeding horsey
dreams to many a young girl and, I suspect though maybe more secretly,
many a young boy too. I think we need more of these beautiful, reasonably
gentle, though exciting, stories to give our children some good dreams
for a change, IMHO! ;-)

Have you noticed that almost nobody actually picks these books apart?
Of course, a combination of events like this is pretty well impossible
but that's what dreams are made of and from dreams, sometimes a kind of
reality can happen. We finally got our horses, or at least are still
involved with an interest in horses, aren't we?!

Take care,

Diane, Spring & Dancer
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Kocholine...best kept secret!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:29:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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OK, here's what I found out about storing tack (just thought I'd
share my new-found knowledge with all of you).  I went to the
tack store on Friday and I was told that the best way to store 
tack is to clean it thoroughly and coat it in a thick layer of
this stuff called Kocholine (as Esther told me it is an 
English product) and I think many better tack stores (at 
least around here) carry it.  It is red and goo-y but I
smeared it all over my tack, wrapped it in brown paper and
then in an unsealed plastic bag (so it still gets air to it).
It is the BEST leather preserver I have EVER used! I did one
bridle which I have really neglected and abused (like riding
in rain and not oiling afterwards) and it came out better than
ever! I HIGHLY rcommend it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it was really cheap too. I paid $2.00 and did 4 bridles,
2 girths, a saddle, 3 sets of reins and still had some left
in the can.  It has an old fashioned label and is in a
small metal can.
Sonja
From: amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anne Marchant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Lipizzans at Tempel Farms
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:22:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Summary: A real treat!  Haute ecole in Illinois.
Keywords: Lipizzan, dressage, haute ecole

Hi folks!

I just got back from the annual US Lipizzan Registry meeting
in Chicago (I'm on the Board of Directors).  As part of the
meeting, we went to Tempel Farms and Libertyville Tack shop.
Libertyville is fantastic--a great selection of items from
all equestrian sports.  The highlight was the exhibition put
on for us by Tempel Farms.  The director, his wife, and one
of his riders did Grand Prix dressage and "airs above the 
ground" on their magnificent Lipizzan stallions.  The Tempel
Corp. has been breeding larger horses to compete with other
European warmbloods and I was very impressed with the scope of
these horses.  

So if you're ever in Northern Ill., your might call to see
if any tours or performances are scheduled.  We enjoyed it
thoroughly!

If anyone has questions about Lipizzans, feel free to email,
write, or call.

Anne Marchant
.



-- 
Anne Marchant, Lone Tree Lipizzans, 6221 Lone Tree Way Brentwood,
(northern) CA 94513, (510) 516-0821
amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:19:30 GMT

In article <BxM89y.FMr@encore.com> jpenovic@1.com writes:
>
>    to be one, but the correct word is farrier.  (I'm a tech.
>    writer, and I have  this thing about words. :-) )
>
>    Ferrier sounds like someone who's name should be Toto.  :-)
                                 ^^^^^


Very witty, Jan! (I assume you slipped that little error in as a bit of
dry humor... which apparently only another tech. writer would notice!)

Speaking as another tech writer... I believe it's SO important to be
careful about who's correcting whose spelling!
              *****            *****


:-) too! 

jessica@wrs.com, but don't blame them, I'm just a contractor!

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Colic, Surgery, and Tough Choices
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:47:08 GMT
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The horse insurers (n of 2) I have dealt with won't insure
older horses.  For one, the limit was 12, for the other, 15.
This was mortality insurance.  I didn't ask about surgical,
loss of use, etc.

Linda Merims
Advanced Visual Systems
Waltham, MA

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Quest GIF available soon
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:45:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.163858.18889@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:

>
>I just put a GIF of Quest and me at Graham Jenkins' ftp site.  
>Not sure how soon it will actually be available.
>

It's there and available right now. There are some more GIFs of somebody's
polocrosse horses coming. As soon as I've "processed" them I'll post
another GIF update.


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From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:53:44 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov16.181124.39084@watson.ibm.com>, mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes:
>  Actually, I had guessed you had plenty of pasture ... but how much is
> grain where
> you are??  I pay about $12-$15 / 100lb for Blue Seal sweet feed, and
> $3.25/bag (*OUCH*) for bedding, $2.65/bale for grass hay.  You can bet

I pay around $1-$1.50 for hay, and usually just feed oats or a corn/oats mix,
which is usually around $5 for 50 lbs.

One thing I didn't add in before (I don't have a running "horsey budget") is
worming, which probably costs me an additional $50-$75 a year.  I'm also
thinking this year I might want to look at bedding; my horses seem to show more
of an inclination to lay down, esp. Lady, my sister's horse.  (Who I may be
losing since my sister might be coming back to the states; anybody got a horse
for sale to keep Spring company?)

> $1/bale for hay.  Do you bale your own hay?

I don't do my own, but I help my landlord's son do his and in return
occasionally get a break on the price.

Alan
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Keeping down the smell
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:33:13 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <199211191732.AA15653@world.std.com>, POBERMARCK@intellicorp.com (Phil Obermarck) writes:
> Hmm... Can't say that I ever noticed any unpleasant smells around
> horses, before. ;-)
> 
> It seems to me, that if you clean the paddocks frequently enough, there
> isn't much of a buildup of smells, and for some reason, our manure pile
> doesn't seem to stink unless you're on top of it.  Even then it's not
> overpowering.
> 
> My guess is that some people are just overly sensitive to horse smells.
> Me? I don't mind horses, but I gag around goats!
> 

Get a bag of lime at your local feed store.  Sprinkle it around in the stalls
and whereever.  It's good for the ground and cuts the smell.

Sue

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From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Tennessee Walkers/Pacing/Competitive Trail Riding
Keywords: Walker who paces
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:04:16 GMT

I have a Tennessee Walker gelding who paces.  My instructor who trains TW's
has tried to get Kaluah to do the running walk they are famous for.  He will
do it, given some practice.  Thing is - I *like* his pace.  It's comfy.  She 
said the running walk would be smoother than his pace.  Does anyone have
a view on this?  I also feel that her goal to get his head up will not
go hand-in-hand with my goal to show him western pleasure.

Also, apparently judges of CTR's in N.E. heavily penalize Walkers because
they don't do a 'normal' trot, the horses look lame to the judges because
their heads naturally bob at the running walk.  Might this prejudice include
horses who pace?  I'd like to competitive trail ride my horse and am
concerned about this.  Does anyone have an experience with this?

Thanks

Karen Karlsson

P.S. I don't plan on letting the instructor run my horse, I just thought
it would be fun to see what 'real' Tennessee Walkers do - hence the
lessons with someone in the business.  It was meant as a learning experience.
Although when I said I wanted to show him western pleasure, it didn't seem
to register...:)

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From: lbishop@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Linda Bishop)
Subject: Sentimentality ... (Update)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:00:21 GMT



Thanks to all who wrote in response to my panicked post about my horse
Hank.  (Sold when I thought he was just on loan).

I went to see Hank that following Saturday and was greatly relieved to 
find him in good condition, out in a big pasture with another horse.

The boy who bought him had joined the local Sherrif's Posse and was planning
on riding Hank in the county fair parade and also in the opening 
ceremonies for the rodeo. (He's already ridden Hank as a member of a
color guard).

The people of course had no idea that Jim didn't own Hank when they bought
him.

I told them that when the boy got tired of him (he'll be going to college
in a couple of years) or when Hank becomes too old to ride(he's 19) that
I want him back.

I told Jim I wanted the money they paid for Hank but, of course, haven't 
seen hide nor hair of it.  A lawyer I know said to come by and he'd help
me write up a letter. If I ever see the money I'll send the new family an
agreement saying that when they're tired of him or I deem the horse too
old to ride, I will return their money and I will get Hank back. 

As far as AQHA registry is concerned I still own the horse (I've put a 
freeze on his papers).

Also, to the people out there who pointed out possiple legal considerations,
couldn't the cost of upkeep replace a leasing fee? If it's on paper(which,
naturally, I never bothered to do)

You can bet I won't be so trusting again in the future.

linda

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick)
Subject: Re: Winter Pasture Care
Summary: Round Bales
Organization:                      Intergraph, Midwest Regional Office
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:03:11 GMT

In article <18NOV199208491326@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu>, broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy) writes:

(Much stuff deleted)

> I feed big round
> bales all winter in a 3 acre lot, so the horses get a little running around
> room even in the winter.

I don't meant this as a flame, but I was under the impression that feeding
horses round bales is not especially healthy for them. The barn where my horse
is boarded used to do this in the winter. They have decided not to do this
anymore because of the numerous vets who have voiced their collective concern
over this practice. They are notorious for mold, which can upset the digestive
tracts of some horses. I believe round bales are meant for cows who do not
seem to be as sensitive.

Has anybody else found this to be true?

Pat 
Golden Ghost(who is happy that the cold weather is here and that his riding time
has been curtailed somewhat!)
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse breakdown potential
Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:04:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <21730026@hpcss01.cup.hp.com> twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease) writes:
>You have successfully disabused you mind of the notion that horses
>are like puppy dogs and kitty cats.  The next plateau will be reached
>when you realize that horses are half-ton beasts with a brain about the 
>size of a walnut.  They have marvelous personalities and they all are
>characters.  But don't confuse personality with intelligence.  I've got
>socks that are more intelligent than most horses.

Those must be some pretty amazing socks.

How do you define intelligence?  How can you seperate personality
from intelligence?

Personally, I think inter-species intelligence comparisions have
orders of magnitude less meaning, even, than IQ tests, which are
fairly meaningless...  Different species are "wired" differently
and many of the arguments I have heard for horses being stupid and
cats being smarter than dogs (and vice versa) were based on differences
that grew out of different survival needs.  Some human behavior looks
pretty stupid, too, if you don't understand the context.

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: melnick@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Scratches (bacterial type)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa,na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:02:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.223348.3562@colorado.edu>, springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer) writes:
> My Saddlebred has developed what apparently is a case of
> scratches on his three white legs and nose..............
> 
> Any suggestions?? Thanks in advance.
> J. Springer 

I have been struggling with scratches, a.k.a. mud fever, on my mare's white
legs for over a year now.  I've been using lots of different things, including
antibiotic ointment from the vet, and while it eventually comes under control,
I find it is a constant battle.  My advice is, treat it right away, don't worry
about the mess, and once you get it cleared up, BE VIGILANT -- check her every
time you're with her.  It's easier to treat when the scabs are small and only
in a few spots.  Unfortunately, my mare wasn't checked regularly when I was laid
up with back surgery, and now she has it so bad her one leg has swollen a bit. 
She is now being treated every day as follows:  before being exercised, apply 
baby oil to scabs to soften them (they must be removed!).  Afterwards, wash the 
affected legs (2) with warm soapy water to remove dirt; rinse thoroughly.  Wash
with betadine/water solution; rinse with warm water, or even soak leg in a
bucket to soften the scabs.  I use a hose with a spray handle, and often make
it a strong jet to force off some of the scabs.  Then I go through the task of
pulling off as many scabs as possible, and then rinse the area with warm water.
Then give my mare a few carrots as a reward for being so tolerant!  Pat dry
the legs, then apply antibiotic ointment, then cover with Desitin (or generic
equivalent, works just as well, as long as it's zinc oxide).  We seem to be
making some progress, but as she lives outside, there's always the mud until
we get constant freezing temps!  One thing I sometimes do if the scabs are
thick & numerous -- first spray the area with antiseptic/anesthetic first aid
spray, the sunburn kind.  She seems to get some relief with that.
Good luck!!

Rita and Kindred Spirit ("Blaize")
From: sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dressage bitting
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:13:07 GMT
Organization: The City University

The choice of type of bridle has tended to follow fashions in certain ways.
Old books (1930s) tend to say something like
[imagine this spoken by an old-fashioned English colonel]
"All horses ought to be ridden in a double bridle, except that a snaffle
is used for training a young horse. A Pelham is a compromise that shouldn't
work but is sometimes necessary - and we don't talk about hackamores."

The modern (BHS) position is something like
[imagine exactly the same accent]
"All horses ought to be ridden in a snaffle, except that a double bridle is
used for some showing classes, higher level dressage, and by those who wish
to be 'correctly equipped' when hunting. A Pelham is a compromise that shouldn't
work but is sometimes necessary - and we don't talk about hackamores."


Where I ride, about 2/3 of riding school horses are used in a snaffle, most
of the rest in a Pelham (or Kimblewick) and a few in a Hackamore. A double
only being used when needed for specific training of horse or rider.
Sometimes, a horse that uses a snaffle in an indoor school or a manege is
put into a Pelham when ridden out (to give "better brakes"). 
In the BHS dressage rules, a snaffle is compulsory below "Elementary" level,
a double above, and either permissable at that level. Pelhams and hackamores
never permitted for official dressage competitions.

The manner of holding the reins of a double bridle seems to be one of the 
few things in riding that "experts" agree that there is more than one
"correct" way to do [for other activities "their" way is correct - and
every one elses is wrong!]. There are three established methods:
2 reins in each hand - curb above snaffle
2 reins in each hand - snaffle above curb
3 reins in left hand, 1 in right (I'm not sure which gets separated -
  I think it is the snaffle) This is used by the Spanish Riding School of
Vienna.

Andy  (& Russett)

Andy Holt // City University // London EC1V 0HB // England  // +44 71 477 8185
From: sconway@megatest.UUCP (Sharon Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Question
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:15:06 GMT
Organization: Megatest Corporation, San Jose, Ca


What you have to remember is that he isn't listening to you when he
anticipates and moves into a different gait before you ask.  He definitely
knows the pattern, and is listening for the announcer.  One thing you may
want to try is going to schooling shows, and doing the opposite of what
the announcer says, and what other horses are doing. So when the announcer says
"trot your horse"...you lope your horse.  Or when everyone else is walking,
you are trotting.  Another way alot of horses are schooled is that they
are brought to schooling shows and walked through the whole class, regardless
of what the rest of the horses are doing.  This teaches the horse to turn his
concentration back to you, and to stop anticipating the pattern.

Putting cotton in their ears is a common way people try to stop this
anticipation also, especially with horses that are shown alot and have
become "ring wise".  But, it is not solving the problem, just delaying
more problems.  It sounds like you enjoy showing your horse, and it would
be too bad for you to start having these type of problems escalate now.

One more note, I don't know how legal it is to use cotton in your horses
ears.  I show QH, and I'm pretty sure its not legal.  Just something to
think about.

Sharon
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.211843.28194@u.washington.edu> jespah@carson.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
>In article <92322.29954.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>airplane (without getting hurt!!) somewhere over the Southwest, and ends
>up beating the Quarter Horse champion?  And how about that book where
>extraterrestrials teleport Flame, the island stallion, to a horse race,
>and teleport him right back to his island afterwards.  Crazy.
   
  Holllld it!  I seem to recall that the Island Stallion was simply FLOWN to
the race...true..it was in their flying saucer...but it was NOT teleportation.
:-)

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From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Re: help with immature Arabian
Keywords: Spooking/Punichsment 
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:29:15 GMT

I have to disagree with Tracy's statement that punishing a horse
when it spooks is the worst thing to do.  My friend just bought a horse
that had previously been a show horse with little trail experience.

(They gave the horse plenty of time to get used to the trails first, btw)
She started trail riding the horse but even after a couple of months of
trail riding she still spooked constantly.  At birds, falling leaves,
the wind blowing, it didn't seem to matter what.  The barn owner
suggested my friend dicipline her by smacking her whenever she spooked
for no reason.  She did this by hitting the horse on her shoulder with
her hand or the reins and saying "no" whenever she spooked.  It worked.
The horse totally stopped spooking and after a while all she had to do
was say "no".

Before anyone flames me, my friend did not beat her horse, she simply gave
her a crack well away from her head.  I'm not saying this works for
every horse, I've owned a half-Arab that you could *not* hit for any
reason or he just got worse.  But sometimes, for some horses, punishing
for spooking does work.  I wouldn't want someone to be afraid to try it
because no one said it was an option.

Karen Karlsson
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