From: scsd1055@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Subject: Re: Changing Opinions (Edify)
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:20:54 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

	Please do not read this entry if you are sick and tired of the 
abortion debate....but I too am sick and tired of the debate, and need to
vent my anger with a few persons whom have posted to CHRISTIAn and seem
to have nothing better to do than bash pro-choicers.  The replies are in 
no certain order... :-(


Darren replies to Heglesen -->

[...much text]

|I do not know how other people changed their opinions; I do know that it is
|uncharitable to claim that someone flip-flopped on an issue like this just for
|political gain.  Of course, insulting pro-choice people is not at all uncommon
|for CHRISTIAns.  In another article, Mr Helgesen writes about Jesse Jackson:

|> Dan Quayle is pro-life.  He opposes the slaughter of innocent babies.
|> Rev. Jackson, who used to be pro-life, flipfloped and is now pro-abortion.
|> He supports the slaughter of innocent unborn babies.


	I find Mr. Helgesen's remarks way, way, out of line, and offensive.
To use Rev. Jackson's name in the same sentence with a remark like "supports
the slaughter of innocent unborn babies" is slippery and slimey!  Hello old 
guilt by association ploy...you can do better.
	I find it hard to believe that pro-lifers are so quick to accuse 
and associate pro-choicers with the worst.  I mean, why is it that when a 
person says he is pro-choice, he/she is instantly thrown into the fire 
and labeled a murderer or slaughterer of innocent unborn babies?  Who are 
pro-lifers to label a person a murderer or slaughterer?  I dislike the 
pro-lifers newspeak of biology (ex. unborn baby -> fetus).
	Just incase you've forgotten, pro-choice supporters do encourage
women to have children, if they so choose.  "Pro-choice" is exactly what
it says, pro-choice!  Pro-choicers do not hang out at the clinics like 
vampires preying on women, pleading for women to abort their babies, like 
Kerry Stephenson would like you to believe.  For example, when Kerry makes 
the following statement concerning the Reverend Jackson's remarks about 
Vice-president Dan "IQ Zero" Quayle's remarks on abortion and Mary...
(Now if you want to talk about political flip-flops lets talk about 
 Quayle's political stance of pro-life and his personal at home stance of 
 pro-choice), 

Kerry S -->>
>	"Does he recognize that the majority of people on the floor of the 
>convention would have *counseled* Mary to have an abortion?"  K.S.

	Come on!  This remark is far worse than Mr. Helgesens. Now we're 
associating pro-choicers with the hypothetical abortion of our savior!  I 
am beyond disgust with this type of rhetoric!  I DEMAND AN APOLOGY!
	Kerry were you there in N.Y.?  Did you take an opinion pole? This is 
the sort of anti-pro-choice (oxymoronish?) junk that I have been reading that 
sends me into orbit! The majority of Kerry's posting is totally baseless in 
stance and totally opinionated! Typical!

-- and Kerry further states -->>
>	"What I found interesting, as well, was that Carter spoke before 
>Jackson, and did not *mention* abortion (I believe he is the only speaker 
>that did not.)  Why?  Simple enough answer.  Carter is prolife, and Ron
>Brown was having none of that."  K.S.


	I have to ask.  While you were in N.Y. taking your OPINIONated POLE
on democrats and abortions, did Ron Brown personally tell you that he would 
have "none of that" anti-abortion talk from Ex-president Carter?   Give us 
the "simple" answer...   Ex-pres. Carter is a brilliant orator, and I think 
the simple answer is that he had something more important talk about.  I 
know that you'll find it hard to believe that Democrats can converse on topics 
other than abortion, but they do.   We all know those Democrats love a good 
Operation Rescue story... :-)

Darren to Helgesen-->>
|You have said that you are a librarian, and you have spoken well of properly
|using logic.  That caused me to overestimate you, a mistake I will not make
|again.

	Mr. H. is a librarian, hmmm, that explains his large volume of entries
to CHRISTIAn. ( 8-)  Just kidding... )

Darren again -->>
|I won't ask for an apology, because I have come to understand that pro-life
|Christians don't care how offensive they are.

	Witness the most recent event at the Democratic Convention, when pro-
lifers tried to present an aborted fetus to Gov. Clinton.  Admittedly the 
stunt was pulled by the most militant of pro-life groups, Operation Rescue, 
and does not have the wholehearted support of all the pro-life movements 
(but I'll bet they (pro-lifers in general) can't help but silently cheer on 
Operation Rescue's unlawful efforts to close lawfully operating clinics).
	I will probably get grilled by "the camp" (as Mr. Brewer so 
affectionately refers to a group of people on this listing) here on CHRISTIAn.
	
	I apologize for being flamish!  In the past I have looked forward 
to reading some of the posting on CHRISTIAn because I find the majority of 
the posting to be very well written and researched.  I am catholic, but not 
well versed in the bible, and must commend most of the posters of CHRISTIAn 
for their exceptionally bible-literacy, and good nature.  I do enjoy reading 
the bible quotations in the postings, when they are appropriate, and have 
recently (due to you all) begun to read the certain passages in question 
to become a little more bible-literate.
	But I feel that the recent rash of pro-choice bashing has become
a little too much for me to stand by and be silent.  Sorry! 8-)


Goodnight,
Bill Plunkett
SCSD1055@ALTAIR.SELU.EDU
SE. La. U.

	P.S. Please do not ask me how I reconcile my pro-choice stance 
with my catholic beliefs...I just do.
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