From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court
Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:29:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.181133.7079@uceng.UC.EDU> vlsi06@nest.ece.uc.edu (Gregory S Clausen) writes:
}In article <1992Jul21.004136.9063@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
}>In article <1992Jul20.192606.14167@uceng.UC.EDU> vlsi06@nest.ece.uc.edu 
}>(Gregory S Clausen) writes:
}>
}>}Abortion is extremely profitable today.  It is a multi-billion dollar
}>}industry ...
}>
}>I work in a part of the university here where a lot of doctors are trained.
}>Among their concerns, indeed, among the concerns of the lenders, is how
}>to best repay the loans that medical school seems to require.  Although
}>several recommendations as to speciality are made, and none of them include
}>abortion or even ob/gyn.  It isn't that we lack the low-calibre kind of 
}>folks here that would make or follow such a recommendation, we have our
}>sleezeballs too.  I think that the assertion that "abortion is extremely
}>profitable" or that it is done for the "filthy lucre"  (I miss Joe 
}>Applegate) is simply untrue.  No doubt a few scams can be noted, but 
}>I seriously doubt that anyone can support this allegation with anything
}>more than assertion.
}
}I'm not sure what any of the above sentences, except the last, have to
}do with my statement.  I simply said abortion is extremely profitable, I
}didn't begin a treatise on student loans (I guess the above paragraph
}defines a red herring).  As for the last sentence:

No, you didn't start a treatise on student loans.  You made the assertion
that abortion is extremely profitable, and I replied that I have never
heard it suggested as a method for making money, whereas I have heard
suggested such things as neurosurgery, radiology, and the like.  I'm 
not surprised that you find earning money or repaying student loans
having little to do with a profitable avenue which a doctor might 
persue, however.  Many med students do make that very connection, 
however.

}  OB-GYN PHYSICIANS AND RESIDENTS
}   $180,000 Guarantee
}    $180,000 annual guarantee for experienced ob-gyn physicians joining
}    brand new group just moving into Dallas.  Will open in July.  Full and
}    part time openings for residents in surgery, ob-gyn, and general
}    medicine.  Growth potential unlimited.
}
}Ad run in _Dallas Morning News_ on June 24, 1974.  The above salary guarantee
}was four times the starting salary for regular obstetric practice.

The assertion was that  abortion is very profitable.  My last line was
that I doubted anyone could support that with more than an assertion.  
I notice you didn't even attempt that.  You merely quoted an ad that 
says an experienced ob/gyn can make $180k in the Dallas-Ft. Worth 
area.  I might ask what that ad has to do with abortion being profitable?
As a matter of fact, while $180k might seem like a lot (hell, it is
a lot) it seems to represent a gross guarantee, and doesn't take 
into account costs (like malpractice insurance, very much on the minds
of ob/gyns) which are subtracted before a profit is figured.  But you
knew that...

}>}which the mob has infiltrated in a few areas of the nation.

}>Oh dear.  Where, pray tell?  And what "mob"?

}I know, I know, Uncle Mario Cuomo has you convinced that the mafia
}does not exist.

I define few things based on the opinions of Mario Cuomo.  I'm not trying
to jump to conclusions, but do you mean to imply that the "mob" is 
indeed the mafia?  Again, pray tell where?

}>}Abortion Stops a Beating Heart.
}>
}>I thought we went over this before.  In the majority of abortions, 
}>there isn't even a "heart" to stop beating.  
}
}The heart begins beating at 18 days and begins pumping blood, whose type
}is different from that of the mother, through a closed circulatory system
}at 21 days.
}            J.M.Tanner, G.R.Taylor, et al.
}            _Growth_
}            New York: Life Science Library, 1965, p. 64.

So something which terminates a pregancy before your 18 days does not
constitute an abortion?  Puzzling.  

}>I am a bit disgusted by people who repeatedly make statements they
}>know to be incorrect.  Unless, of course, they are too stupid to
}>do anything else, in which case I pity them.  What should it be,
}>Mr. Clausen, disgust or pity?

}You're on a roll, I'll let you choose.

OK...pity...


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