From: sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (Sean M. Foley)
Subject: Re: Sex? Magic??
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 15:54:06 GMT

In article <C09BL8.ArA@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>In article <1993Jan02.182732.2208@rose.com>, mark.terka@rose.com (mark terka) writes...
>> 
>>Date Entered: 01-02-93 13:23
>> > I recently finished reading Parts of Donald Michael Kraig's book
>> > "Modern Magic - Eleven Lessons in the High Magical Arts". A very
>> > good book for either novice or expert.
>> > 
>> > Only one disturbing quote caught my eye, in the cahpter on Sex Magic.
>> 
>> Oi> Disturbing?
>> 
>>Yes, Kraig put it quite elegantly by saying that our sexuality is our
>>most private part of our sexuality. Control that and you control the
>>person. So it could be disturbing if this group is using this technique
>>as a form of "brainwashing"
>> 
>> > He spoke of a sect "one organization I am familiar with has the leader
>> > determine sexual partners. this includes having to be in an adjacent
>> > room while your mate has intercourse with another person. This allows
>> > you to hear every sound."
>> 
>> Oi> Big deal.  If people decide to do this its their business.  
>> 
>> It IS a big deal in that it brings into disrepute Ceremonial Magick
>> all around if this ceremony is used for unethical purposes. Much like
>> the activities of X-tian televangelists have discredited that group.
>
>Maybe the people involved were not brainwashed and find the 
>activity useful.  Do you suggest people only do things the Public 
>would approve of?  
>
>>Unfortunately, people don't tend to discriminate when they hear something
>>bad about a sect....they then lump ALL of us into the same barrel (ie..
>>just like down south in Georgia recently a  WICCAN coven was arrested
>>for SATANIC (if you can believe it) practices.
>
>The Public will probably think all pagans and mages are loons 
>regardless of what they do (or don't do).  
>
>- Peggy -

  Does it really matter what people think of us if they're going to be
prejudiced towards us ahead of time? You could explain all you want to some
people it doesn't matter; It goes in one cerebral lobe and right out the
other. Until people get to the realization there that there is no evil but
only a desire to interfere, this type of mumbo-jumbo is likely to occur 
;There is no such thing as an evil practice, just evil people, which is a
facet of life no matter where you are. Again, I'm not going to wait for
the "evilists" to start up by saying "what is evil?" I don't know what evil
is, nor do I know if it correlates to malicious people. I'd say generally
that evil is anything that "harms or interferes" with another person whom
doesn't want the harm or interference. Those whom assume this or that
beforehand are usually very hard to "enlighten" to the true nature of
magick anyway.. They usually have many other tolerance-related problems as
well; usually, but not always. Those whom will let you "teach them" are 
usually pleasurable people to meet and deal with; They give you the 10 mins
or so you need to make your intention clear and then ask you to shed light 
on that which they couldn't understand(I love people that want to learn.).
 It breaks down to two types of people: Those who want to keep assuming things
and those that want to learn the truth about something.
 And, fact has it that the assumer's will keep assuming!
 (Well, not always.. sometimes they hurt someone and break the habit.)
 But, regardless.. You can only tell someone something if they'll give you
their ear.. That usually doesn't happen unless you're dealing with a person
that loves to know the nature of things from the other person's perspective.
 You can say "Witches aren't evil", but fact is : Some are, some aren't..
I'd say all "other" organizations need a good deal of sharing before they
can expect something. And, I have yet to see many organizations share 
ANYTHING.(If you have a good natured "club" and you don't show the good
nature overly, people think "hey, they're not good-natured";All these terms
are placeholders.)Through such a sharing, the intents could be shown to
a commoner without "eyes" bearing on him; This establishes an environment that
allows someone to learn freely. I think the Christain Scientists only had
one great idea.. That is "reading rooms".. It lets and person freely learn
about their belief without undue pressure from anyone. I'm not saying
the SC's are anymore "important" than anyone else; but, I believe it to
be an excellent idea for ANY organization that wishes to dispel lies.
(For example: A good reporter would LOVE to say "I got this information
from (insert name)s reading room". I mean, who do we have to blame when
we don't take the responsiblities that we should such as PROVIDING 
a database where one can LEARN the truth about magick/etc? This basically
provides the positive end of "magick" in a way that the media could access
it.. If there aren't any sources that say "there aren't" then "there are".
(It is NOT easy to obtain GOOD magick sources.. It took me about 4 months
of searching around only to find a good place that was FORTY MILES AWAY!>.

-Sean

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