HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:27:19 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

In article <17477@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
| Well, how about the UPC bar codes being the mark of the beast?  That
| stuff was in his campaign literature!  I'd say anyone that believes
| that stuff has to be a lunatic.

Did Gritz himself write it?  Gritz's appeal is outside
the usual venue of the bourgeoisie, and he and his may be 
unfamiliar with those mechanics of administration which
prevent nut-cases more aligned with the Establishment 
from revealing their thoughts to the populace.

In fact, a little nut-hatchery might well be provided
by those who have an interest in derailing whatever it is
they think he's doing.
-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Fascism Almanac: Clippings Sought
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 05:32:05 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

>In article <1992Nov18.142713.18964@athena.mit.edu>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:

> In article <1992Nov17.194506.13988@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, 
> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) said:

>> Clippings relating to the Christian Identity movement, The Order,
>> the Aryan Nation, the Ku Klux Klan, Liberty Lobby, and similar
>> right-wing extremist organizations are solicited for transcription
>> to ASCII format and inclusion in our fascism-related archives.

> Why are you soliciting only for clippings about _right-wing_ extremist
> organizations?

> -- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Gee... perhaps it is because they are the only ones I am interested in, eh?
I will leave the onerous task of keeping an eye on all the left-wing
dingbats to others :-)

-- 
The Old Frog's Almanac - Public Access UseNet for Central Vancouver Island
     (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Waffle XENIX 1.64
 Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Just south of Tupperware Central...  
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: LBJ's anti-nepotism law (was: Hillary will not...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:19:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Nov19.232131.8881@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.192402.22116@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.173101.25548@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>It's de facto constitutional.  No president would dare challenge *this* law's 
>>>constitutionality, even if it isn't constitutional.

>>Are there any states in the USA where that state's Supreme Court must
>>review *all* state laws, determining whether they are constitutional?

>There are no such states to my knowledge.  There are some states, such
>as Massachusetts, where the Supreme Court of the state may offer advisory
>opinions on pending legislation.  One of these advisory opinions led Dukakis
>to make his now-infamous veto of the mandatory pledge of allegiance in
>the public schools.

>There's a good case to be made for not reviewing legislation until
>someone who is actually aggrieved by the legislation challenges it.

I do not know the precise situation in Michigan, as I have not lived there
for 25 years, but I believe that the Michigan Constitution had some provision
for a challenge to the constitutionality of laws to be reviewed without a 
case going to court.  

In general, the only other way that this could even be attempted without
deliberately breaking the law would be to apply for a writ (I do not know
the precise legal term) to prevent the enforcement.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott)
Subject: Re: Anti-Establishment Coalition  (Anarchist Contingent)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Singularity 
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:01:00 GMT

Dictionary Definition...

	Anarchism -- the political theory that individual freedom
	should be absolute and that all goverment and law is evil.
	Capitalism and private property would be abolished and be
	replaced by voluntary cooperation. 

As an ideological anarchist, a dedicated non-partisan and independent,
and practical pluralist.... I get to join any effort that seems likely
to further my interests.

This does.


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:31:43 GMT


Mark Anderson suggests that AT&T censored John because he was posting
too much and costing them money. I had thought that the cost of a 
corporate connection to the Net was fixed and independent of degree
of use. Do you have any information on how postings at John's volume
level actually impact AT&T's costs?

Inquiring minds want to know,
-Steve
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Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:01:31 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

> Eight of the ten largest international banks in the world are Japanese.
> There are no Jews on any of their boards.  Jews are underrepresented
> on the boards of the major banks based in New York City, which, to my
> knowledge, have never had a Jewish CEO.
> 
> To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
> true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
> the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
> no?
 
 Working for one of the ten largest banks I would have to agree with
 you 100% on this Ted.
 
 It is amasing to me that people who make these comments do not bother
 to do their homework. Directorships are a matter record in most
 countries including Nippon. 
 
 But as an aside the religion of any director of any bank or business
 should not be a matter of conspiracy it is their PERSONAL choice
 and frankly has NOTHING to do with any of us.
 
 The fact I am from a Xian family it does not upset my Muslium or
 other clients.
 
 -
 regards
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:26:37 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Nov16.160701.16000@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <BxsnnI.A1I@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>>>
> 
[text deleted]

> To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
> true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
> the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
> no?
> -- 
> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
> standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
> the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

Why should Israel go to the bankers direct when generous old Uncle
Sam is good for the touch.  Under the Cranston amendment, Uncle
has also promised to help the perfect no-default record by advancing
money as needed to forestall any delinquency....just roll the
notes as need be.  This sounds like pretty powerful financial
clout to me, but don't give Israel all of the credit when probably
most of it should go to AIPAC, a lobby that seems to be well out
of control and working against the best interests of the American
people.

-Joe Gaut
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From: asfjp@acad3.alaska.edu (Frederick J. Polsky V1.0)
Subject: Hmph.
Followup-To: alt.culture.alaska,alt.culture.oregon,alt.rock-n-roll.classic,alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic,alt.tv.infomercials,junk,ua.admin.ir,ua.flame,ua.test,uas.sitka.general
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: Maelstrom. Chaos.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:48:00 GMT
X-Conspiracy: UA administrators are selected from the Illuminati.

Interesting. I sent several newgroups to the net. All were valid alt.* groups,
and discussed in alt.config, and issued by a sysadmin (i.e. me).

UACN chooses not to carry them.

Does this suprise me? No, I just thought I'd mention it in case anyone didn't
notice.

They are:

alt.culture.alaska
alt.culture.oregon
alt.rock-n-roll.classic
alt.rock-n-roll.symphonic
alt.tv.infomercials

Oh. I get it. I can't be a sysadmin and a user at the same time, my mistake.

Read 'em in junk, and post 'em from Fredbox.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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system@freds.cojones.com  |  The FredBox +1 907 344 8437  |  Waffle 1.65/WWCP
if you can read this, you probably don't attend the university of alaska......
"This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: They're coming after me!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:39:50 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <RV.92Nov14030837@monaco.cs.brown.edu> rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) writes:
>I need to get the unabridged Anarchist Cookbook! Help me out-please!

You can order a copy for yourself from Barricade Books in New York.  They
want the order pre-paid however.  Ask the library for the address and phone.

Margaret
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:41:45 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <99cDuB7w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
>thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>
>> Eight of the ten largest international banks in the world are Japanese.
>> There are no Jews on any of their boards.  Jews are underrepresented
>> on the boards of the major banks based in New York City, which, to my
>> knowledge, have never had a Jewish CEO.
>> 
>> To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
>> true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
>> the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
>> no?
> 
> Working for one of the ten largest banks I would have to agree with
> you 100% on this Ted.
> 
> It is amasing to me that people who make these comments do not bother
> to do their homework. Directorships are a matter record in most
> countries including Nippon. 
> 
> But as an aside the religion of any director of any bank or business
> should not be a matter of conspiracy it is their PERSONAL choice
> and frankly has NOTHING to do with any of us.
 
That's very nice but what the hell does any of this have to do with
the Federal Reserve System and Alan Greenspan?  I believe the suggestion was
made that the Fed was controlled by Jews and all this yarn does not get
Greenspan into church on Sunday.

js
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From: loshin@godot.think.com (David Loshin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Templars
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:10:12
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: jonc@status.gen.nz's message of Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:32:27 GMT

In article <sc19TB1w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
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   From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
   Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:32:27 GMT
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   jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) writes:

   > I know someone who was initiated into the Templars at University of
   > San Diego during the 70's but was then never really active in that
   > group.  (USD is a Catholic institution.)  I suspect students get
   > together from time to time and resurrect things like the Templars.
   > 

    Jim,

    While the true Knights of Malta may have been a Catholic  Organisation 
    many years ago, at the refermation in the late 1500's there was a split
    which still exists today.

    You have the Catholic and the Prodestent Orders still practising
    worldwide.

    The Knights of Malta, also known as the Temple Knights.

Actually, the Knights of Malta had been previously known as the Knights of
the Hospital of St. John, or the "Hospitallers." The Hospitallers and the
Templars (The Knights of the Temple (Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem)) were
rivals for patronage in the Catholic Church up until around the time of the
Avignon Captivity, when the Templar Order was crushed by the French Pope on
orders from the King of France.

The Hospitallers originally had been based near Akko, Palestine, while the
Templars were situated in Jerusalem. When the Saracens drove the
Hospitallers from Akko, they retreated to Rhodes, and then later retreated
further West in the Mediteranean to Malta. After the crush of the Templars,
the Hospitallers were renamed the Knights of Malta, since they no longer
guarded the hospital of St. John.

-David
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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Clinton's first Federal laws
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:37:01 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Distribution: alt
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:

>President Clinton will have the power to countermand his predecessors'
>EOs with the stroke of a pen; thus, there is no effective difference
>between his failing to countermand an EO and having issued that EO
>himself.

How about letting us know what EO's you are referring to?


Thanks,

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Crimes
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:29:09 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA

In article <21NOV199216062304@acad3.alaska.edu>, ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W) writes:
> To readers of alt.conspiracy newsgroup:
> 
> 	Is anyone out there familiar with the book entitled CONSPIRACIES,
> COVER-UPS AND CRIMES by Jonathan Vankin?
>
I read it. 90% of the material could have been pulled from the radio show 
Dave Emory has been working on in the bay area for years. In Emory's opinion
and my own, Vankin just wrote down pretty much what he heard on the radio
and verified the sources.  Emory goes into this in detail in some tapes 
available from Archives on Audio in San Francisco, CA.

I've met Emory a few times and we have some friends in common-though we
never exactly hit it off.  I do consider the pieces on Emory in the book
to be unfair and insulting. Vankin assured Emory that he wouldn't be writing
a hit piece, which is what I saw the book as being. Vankin also indicated
he would give Emory credit for the areas where he did original reasearch or
brought together a variety of sources into one place-it was on this
pretense that Emory spent as much time with him as he did. In my opinion Vankin
failed to keep his word.
 
> 	How reliable is the information in this book?  Is the bibliography any
> good?  What essential titles are missing from it?  Is there anything in the
> book that you think is particularly misleading?

Well, keep in mind that the book is published by a company controlled by
Rev. Moon. Moon is one of the _major_ figures in neo-fascism in America,
IMHO(some of his major funding comes from the wonderful folks that brought
you Pearl Harbor-quite literally some of the same folks that funded the
rise of Japanese militarism). 

The omission of Moon from the book must have been a ploy to get published
and to get national distribution. If you like Rev. Moon and his cause,
go ahead and buy the book-but I suggest you research this character a little
first. Vankin knew who he was dealing with(i.e. a friend of mine talked to
him about it)-it didn't matter to him. Vankin is, IMHO, an opportunist and
a writer with too little creativity to get his own matterial an too much
vanity to give full credit when he borrows ideas. 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ots@uropax.contrib.de (Rudolf Stoert)
Subject: Re: Was Jonestown a CIA experiment?
Summary: WARTEN-mag published a bibliography two years ago
Keywords: Jim Jones, Jonestown, CIA, bibliography
Organization: Contributed Software GbR
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:58:39 GMT

Re: "Was Jonestown a CIA experiment?"
 
In 1991 we published the first issue of our mag WARTEN (more like a book, than
a mag). We had a long article on the "Jonestown massacre" which included a
quite useful bibliography - as we think. Most of it is in German, here are some
US-American sources: 
 
The World Watcher International Weekly tapes. No 365 - 369, no. 385 - 387, 401.
Mae Brussel, Carmel, CA 93922. Right, mme. Brussel is dead.
 
A compilation of all articles relating to the subject from 1978 - 1984 from the
San Francisco Times Publishing Company. Xerox. Readable.
 
John Judge wrote an exhausting article in CRITIQUE, Vol. VI, no. 1/2, 1986.
CRITIQUE is defunct - as I think, but a fringe publisher still got back issues.
A-Albionic Press ... i dont know whether THEY are still in business.
 
There is a lot more of stuff available. Just for starters. Yeah - and sure you
can order our mag too. (No - its not an conspiracy mag, allthough we also
published the first bibliography of intelligence related media in issue 2.
Nonetheless ... we think its art, literature and science. English/German.)
 
best
rudolf stoert
ots@uropax.contrib.de
 
"Know - Will - Dare - and be Silent." (Uncle Aleister C.)
 
 
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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:19:25 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <sffcu.16.722039882@cuais01.cc.columbia.edu>, sffcu@cuais01.cc.columbia.edu (Stew Feuerstein) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.111759.1876@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
>>Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
>>> # > To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
>>> # > true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
>>> 
>>> # This sounds like pretty powerful financial
>>> # clout to me, but don't give Israel all of the credit when probably
>>> # most of it should go to AIPAC, a lobby that seems to be well out
>>> # of control and working against the best interests of the American
>>> # people.
>>> 
>>> 	Contrary to popular myth AIPAC is a worthless organization with
>>> clout at all.  It has never won a contested battle, and the recent
>>> loan gloan gau fiasco showed just how impotent they really are.
>>
>>If AIPAC is so powerless, then why did the president of the pro-Israel
>>lobby resign after being secretly tape recorded while bragging that
>>AIPAC was negotiating with the Clinton campaign about key appointments
>>and claiming that he had made a deal with James Baker to get Israel
>>extra aid?  Harry Katz, AIPAC member, who taped David Steiner's
>>conversation, sent the tape to the Washington Times which published
>>the news about last Wednesday.  
>>
>>Katz is quoted as saying "I don't think the Jewish lobby should have
>>disproportionate political power" and "I wanted him [Steiner] to admit
>>to me the incredible infiltration of the Israel lobby into the
>>campaign."  Steiner is said to have bragged about the many people
>>"we have" in Clinton's headquarters and how they were all going to
>>get big jobs.  He even said "we're negotiating" with the Clinton camp
>>on who might be secretary of state.
>> 
> 	Joe,
> 	You fail to mention why David Steiner was fired.  The article I read 
> stated that he was fired for making the whole thing up.  In fact David 
> Steiner and AIPAC has no connection to the Clinton campaign.  Mr Steiner was 
> merely trying to make AIPAC seem more important by lying about his influence.
> 
>				-Stew

Maybe.  Maybe not.  I read Steiner claimed he was exaggerating after
he had been caught in an obviously embarrassing situation.  Apparently
Harry Katz, a member of AIPAC, thought things were out of control or
I doubt he would have conducted his own personal 'sting operation',
thereby putting his own good name on the line.  I can't envision
the manager of a previously successful lobby building its influence
on lies and exaggeration.

-Joe Gaut		"The chessgame has three phases; the first
			when one hopes one has an advantage; the
			second when one believes one has an advantage;
			and the third when one knows one is going
			to lose."           -- Saviely Tartakower
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Date: 16 Nov 1992 05:07:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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My best recollection of the PART report from when it was last posted
was that it appeared to be an exercise in guilt by association. I'll
look it over though, for signs that it presents evidence of substance
as to Gritz's alleged anti-semitic views. It's possible I may have
misremembered it, or may be confusing it with a different critique of
Gritz. 

I am not a Gritz supporter, by the way, except in the sense that I 
think he is an honest and decent guy who is trying to to what is 
right for the country as he understands it. I do not share his populist 
politics, however.

I think it is an extremely destructive practice to falsely tag one's
political opponents with terms like "racist", "Facist" , and 
"anti-semitic" in order to avoid dealing with the substance of
their program, and I will continue to the best of my ability to 
criticize this practice and support its victims.

-Steve