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From: graikund@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Gitesh Raikundalia)
Subject: Re: Intro to "From Once Was" by Deliverance
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:31:45 GMT

cs40f003@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:


>I must say that the latest Deliverance (Stay of Execution) 
>is totally awesome and in my opinion is their best effort
>yet.  The only two things about it that bug me are
>the re-release of "Weapons..." (which is a good song, but is
>still old) and the fact that I can't quite figure out the
>opening verse to "From Once Was".  I've replayed the song
>several times but still can't figure it out.

>Here's what I got so far:

>    "Death and desire ???   ???  ???  ???  empty,
>     Memory loses all that once was clear."

>I know it's kinda silly, but the fact that I can't figure out
>those few words just drives me crazy.

>BTW, I wasn't around (on the net) during the summer when 
>_Stay of Ex._ was first released, so I missed all the reviews
>of it (if there were any).  I'd like to hear what
>all the other Metal heads think.  This release is Christian
>Metal at it's best, and could stand up to anything in the
>secular market.  The fact that Terry Taylor produced the
>album didn't take away any of the heaviness, speed or aggression
>of Deliverance, and what he did with J. Brown's vocals is awesome.
>Deliverance does speed metal and they do it right!!!

>---------
>One other thing - has anybody figured out the ending to
>"Your Gonna Bow" by Vengeance Rising.

>Here's What I got:

>   "You're gonna, you will... bow,
>    I don't care how bad you think you are 
>    I used to be in a Los Angeles street gang
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>    and when ???  ???   ???  something going down
>    (and a gun was placed to somebody's head)???
>    It's funny how bad they were no longer

>    And you know what?
>    You mock now, and you think you're gonna
>      stand before God and mock?
>    And you're afraid of a man with a gun?
>    YOU'RE GONNA BOW!!!
>   
>Keep in touch you fellow metal heads.
>Let's hear some more from you on this net.

>Later,
>Randy

Christian metallists

	BTW, does anybody know anything personally about the lives
or former lives of members of speed/thrash metal bands like Deliverance,
Veng. Rising, Mortification, etc. I have always been very interested -
I heard, for example, that Veng. Rising has three pastors in it. 

							Yours in the Lord,
								Gitesh
--
Gitesh K. Raikundalia - Anti-racist,
                        Anti-sexist,
                        Anti-homophobic,
                        Anti-materialistic, 
                        Pro-pacifistic,
                        Ex-Hindu,
                        Anti-satanic,   Christian.
From: bingle@cs.purdue.EDU (Richard Bingle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: New Amy album?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:58:14 GMT
	<1992Oct5.134909.17868@cs.cornell.edu>
	<1992Oct5.152911.14800@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


_On And On_ appears on Amy's self titled album from 1977.  Words and
music by Amy Grant and Brown Bannister.

Richard Bingle                                      bingle@cs.purdue.edu
Computer Science Department                                purdue!bingle
Purdue University                                         (317) 494-0893
West Lafayette, IN 47907
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.thrash,rec.music.industrial,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: sci40027@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO CHOO LIANG)
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:26:26 GMT

Brian King (gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
: I have often heard this assertion:  "God created music..."
: 
: Why do people assume this?  Perhaps Psalms says that we should use music
: to worship god, but does it say that God actually created it?
:...etc etc
: made (paraphrase)"-- sure, he made the glass, iron, rubber, etc., but Not
: the actual Corvette.  Why then, should we assume that God made music?
:...etc etc  
: C'mon, let's give credit where credit is due!

  You mean God didn't know that the trees that He created (do you agree
that He created the trees?) can be made into musical instruments, which
in turn can make music out of it? I don't think so!! I believe my GOD is
NOT so stupid !!! He created everything on this earth with a purpose, or
rather, with multi-purposes which he intended them to be. 
  I don't mean to be rude, but, PLEASE, "let's give credit where credit
is due!"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  O   O 
    l              Ho Choo Liang 
  \===/
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dhills@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Martin Hills)
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:16:42 GMT

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:


>This is true.  But in the case of sampler tapes, I wonder if the law
>isn't too restrictive for its own good.  

>For some perverse reason I love putting these tapes together, and I
>often lend them to people I know for their perverse listening pleasure.
>Occasionally I even give them away.  And you know what?  I find that
>my friends often run out and buy the music found on the sampler tapes.
>I don't know if my experience is typical, but I've found that record
>companies and recording artists actually make *more* money because
>I've pillaged a song from one of their albums.  

>But Noel's right - it's illegal.  The correct thing to do seems fairly 
>clear to me when the issues are taping entire albums or selling pirated 
>tapes.  Giving away sampler tapes seems less morally clear to me.  I plead 
>guilty.  I'm just a little mystified by an illegal practice that seemingly 
>harms no one and generally benefits the parties for whom the law is designed 
>to protect.  

I too have thought that it was too bad that this was illegal.  This was how
I got into listening to Christian music -- one of my friends made two mixed
tapes for me.  After listening to them, I bought most of the groups'
albums on the mixes, and have been listening to Christian music ever 
since.  But it's illegal to do this :(


DMH
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Card/Keaggy Tix for Sale
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:23:07 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Turns out I have 2 extra tickets to the Card/Keaggy show at Hill auditorium
in Ann Arbor this Friday night at 8:00.  If anyone in this area is 
considering going, I have 2 tickets at the group price ($10 each) for sale.
They are excellent seats on the main floor.

Thanx


--
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noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Krupicka)
Subject: Re: Performing songs.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:35:56 GMT

>>> >Christ by the  way.... We played Kenny Marx's "Nobody Else But 
>>> >I think that if Kenny Marx was in the audience even, he wouldn't 
>>> CCC ) did was steal from Kenny Marx and rationalize it by saying 

That is Kenny MARKS. Totally unrelated to Richard MARX.

FYI.

Mike Krupicka
beaker@uiuc.edu
As a dog returns to his vomit, so does a fool to his folly. -- Solomon
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: frank@hsr.no (Frank A Stevenson)
Subject: King`s X
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:32:36 GMT

	I am a bit curious about King`s X, and would be very thankful if someone
could post me a comprehensive introduction or any information about King's X

-- 
\\     Frank Andrew Stevenson <><
 \\ // Rogaland University Centre
  \X/  Norway (frank@hsr.no)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:53:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.130717.12324@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.213118.17730@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.124038.10329@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>>>
>>>jason "next they'll be saying there's no such thing as free will" steiner
>>
>>Free will is largely overrated.
>
>Yeah?  Well, I think God is forcing me to ignore your opinion.  

Quite possibly, the question is, though, is he simply honoring your desire
to ignore my opinion?


Topher
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From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Extreme's new album
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:11:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep30.191125.18966
Organization: Western Washington University

Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:

>That's it! I have to see them in concert now!!!!

Yes, but I wonder if they'll actually perform
the songs with orchestration at all.  Will
they bring a small orchestra with them or
just use backing tapes.  Anyone heard?

-BarryB
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Extreme
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:37:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Let me add my $0.02 into the discussion of Extreme's new album.  It is 
absolutely awesome.  Plus, the (small amount) of language that was present
on Pornografitti is completely gone-no cussing (at least, none that i heard).
The Christian/God/Jesus quota on this album (which i dislike using, but seems
to be useful to a portion of this group) is quite high, more than Stryper
or MWS, but less than Steve Camp (maybe even a shade over Petra, and with
a lot of Scriptural references).

Still, this is not an evangelical Christian album, but is more personal (and
therefore more to my tastes (IMHO (stop me before i subreference again))).
But i recommend it strongly to fans of Christian rock/funk/metal/progressive
(and you don't even need to turn your offensometers down :-).

JRjr
-- 
'You know he got the cure...but then he went astray.  He used to stay awake
to drive the dreams he had away.  He wanted to believe in the hands of love...'
                                                        U2--Exit
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: New Listserv List: IVCF-L
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 22:27:14 EDT
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

I thought that this might be of interest to some
folks on r.m.c.  Although not directly music
related, it is aimed at a Christian audience.


Date:         Wed, 23 Sep 1992 11:28:32 CDT
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Subject:      NEW LIST:  IVCF-L

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: so what should i get?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.233531.10279@uoft02.utoledo.edu> steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
>i get payed today, (friday) and i have just enough $$ for -one- CD.
>a new Christian Music store just opened in toledo, so i'm looking
>forward to ordering some of the great alternative Christian stuff
>i've missed out on in the last year...
>
>here are some of the ones i've heard about but haven't heard.
>any suggestions? info? people screaming "THAT'S THE BEST CD I
>EVER HEARD! BUYBUYBUY!"?
>
>    plague of ethyls                 ?
>    fluffy                           go, fluffy, go

I haven't heard the new one, but the first album, "Fluffy Luvs You,"
was your basic Husker Du/Napalm Death kind of thrash - screeching guitars,
a drummer playing at about a million beats per minute, and a "singer" 
screaming at the top of his lungs.  You want melody?  Hah!  

I liked it.  It was great music for bouncing off the walls, and the
lyrics were, in turns, insightful and pretty hilarious.  Included 
was a rant called "A Mighty Fortress is our God."  Any resemblance
to the Martin Luther hymn was, I'm sure, purely unintentional.

>    victoria williams                Swing the Statue

I love this album.  I also know people who hate this album.  Not just
think it's not very good, but actually loathe it.  Why?  Because 
Victoria Williams sounds like Olive Oyl.  She may have the most
annoyingly abrasive voice in music outside of the guy from The 
Pogues.   

I think she writes great songs, so I'm willing to put up with her voice.
There are times when her voice mellows out and she sounds like a cross
between Dolly Parton and Olive Oyl.  Those moments are priceless, and
have an incalculable shlock appeal.  Her lyrics have an endearing
Romper Room/Sesame Street childlikeness about them, even as she's
singing about divorce and drugs and Jesus.  

This is one the I'd buy, if I were you.  But if you hate it, I 
completely disavow any knowledge of even mentioning this album.  
What album?  

>    scaterd few                      The Attic Tapes
>    breakfast with amy               love gift

Again, I haven't heard the new one, but knowing your tastes, I think this 
would be a good choice.  Wonderful abrasive guitars and creative lyrics.

>i also got to hear demos of these when i stopped by last:
>
>    mortal                           luisis
>    jyradelix                        invincible
>
>right now i'm leaning toward Jyradelix, but even if i don't manage to 
>aquire any other ones i'd like some recommendations for future 
>reference...
>
>jason
>
>--
>`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
>`,` "True love is better than anything, except cough drops."            `,`
>`,`                     - The Princess Bride (book), by William Goldman `,`
>`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: anyone know about the Warning?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:20:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.201615.10243@uoft02.utoledo.edu> steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
>about 2 years ago i heard a tape-of-a-tape of a band called the Warning.
>i had previously seen a review of one of their albums & was rather
>curious. 
>
>it turns out the Warning is a straight punk band who's lyrics don't 
>spare anyone or anything. are they still around? is their stuff being
>distributed anywhere? it's not exactly mom-n-pop CMC store fare, 
>(the cover of "Cut the Crap" has a picture of Christ, naked & bleeding
>lying across a jumble of advertisements) so i don't have any idea
>where to start looking even.
>
>all i remember from the tape was a song called "A day in the life of
>a California Christian". it's the sort of thing that makes you laugh
>& feel convicted at the same time...
>
>jason steiner
>
>--
> "Y'all ain't from around here are ya?" - The best complement I ever got, from 
>                                          a local in Defiance, Ohio, BFE
>`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`

The last I heard, a few years ago, the Warning moved to the desert of
California and broke up.

Phil

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From: grendel@cis.ksu.edu (Stephen Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Metallica
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:48:56 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cygnus.cis.ksu.edu

tll6551@sigma.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:


>Ok....whether people like it or not, in today's society the Republican party
>is typically associated with both conservative values politically and morally.
>When someone says "I'm a Republican" that can be taken to mean that they are
>conservative in both respects...ie, that they would disagree both politically
>and morally with what they considered liberal, politically or morally. And of
>course, as most generalizations/stereotypes, there are certainly exceptions to
>this rule. So don't gripe to me about it.

Hmm... (btw, this isn't a gripe:)  I would have to say that the younger
generation is leaning one way or the other in light of there being no
moderate party.  I associate myself with the republicans because of their
stance on abortion and Isreal.  (the rest is rather up in the air)
I know quite a few people that are the same way.  For what its worth...

-Stephen

-- 

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From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:57:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
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SHAWN FOO writes
> 	I use a cheap set of earplugs if the noise is painful, but being a 
> guitarist at heart, I don't like using the plugs 'cause I can't hear the 
> music properly... I mean, you loose a lot of the harmonics and high
> frequencies of those wonderful guitar solos, etc..... You can get  
musicians 
> ear plugs, but from what I hear, they're expensive... hey, I'm a musician,
>  i.e. broke!!!
> 	Do you have the same problem with cotton??? (i.e. freq. response, 
> not cost.... :) )
> 
> 	S.P. Foo

What I keep hearing is, "Here are some things you can do to protect your  
ears from the concerts."  Back to my original question:  Can a Christian
legitimately produce a noise level that is damaging to the hearer?
Should we HAVE to protect ourselves from Christian music?  Or
is it the responsibility of the sound crew to keep it at a level
that doesn't cause pain?  Is there any legitimate purpose (other
than being like many of the world's musicians) for having it loud enough 
to hurt?
--
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From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: TANGENT Re: U2's de-nomination
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:33:41 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <JCHO.92Sep28114949@dante.nmsu.EDU> jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes:
[excellent article deleted for bandwidth]
>
>   The only representatives of the Church who are in a position to decide
>   whether a person is unrepentant of sin are those who are in close
>   fellowship with him.  In the case of U2 and Mike Warnke, I suspect that
>   rules out most of the readers of this newsgroup.
>
>Where does it say that in the Bible???  If this is the case, then missionary
>work is totally unjust (and in some cases it has been).  People who go
>out over seas and begin rebuking a people for their sins without getting to
>know them (each and everyone personally).  

Well I think that is the case.  I do not think you can rebuke a
society until you have lived in it and know it, and I do not think you
can rebuke a person you do not first know and love.

>What about Paul and his letters?
>Do you think he knew every single person in all those churches? Yet he 
>rebukes them, judging that they are bickering among each other..etc..etc.
>You don't have to know them or fellowship them to know whats going on...

Paul either know the churches personally, had received letters from
them asking advice, or had received information from people he know
well and who's judgement he trusted (Timothy, Epaphrus, Appollos,
Pricilla and her husband etc.)  I think that when we judge, it would
be good to test our knowledge of the situation by these standards

>Do we need to know a prostitute personally to know that they are sinning?

We need to know him/her personally to know why s/he made that choice -
to feed the kids, for fear of a pimp...  I'm not saying here that
prostitution is right - but how can you tell someone they are a
sinner, without being in a position to help them deal with the
concequences of ceasing that sin (providing alternative employment,
getting pimp arrested, whatever...)

 
Just some food for thought.

Alison