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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Decals via Laser Printer
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:45:44 GMT

In article <19NOV199209475989@vx.cis.umn.edu> soc1070                          writes:
>Edmund Hack writes...

>>I was reading the tech report series from NCR on High Power Rocketry 
>>and in the section on finishing techniques, they mention a couple of methods
>>of making decals using laser printers.

>As a computer graphics person, I have done quite a bit of experimenting 
>with laser printers and making my own rocket art. I mostly stick with
>clear sticky-back type stocks, they are the cheapest and most available.

>I use Fasson brand, and I think its 1.5 or 2 mil. thick. It works good for
>large models but is a little thick for small scale stuff. It curls right
>out of the laser while it cools. Don't worry, though. It doesn't distort.

Where do you get Fasson? I've heard that its the same as Fas-Cal. Fas-Cal
is used by C/L combat fliers as covering. I'd like to find a cheap source.


>I have never seen the dry-transfer stuff, but I know its pretty popular
>with the railroad folks. (that is, the pre-printed stuff).

Hmmm isn't this the same stuff used by T-shirt shops? You know, where they
xerox a picture then dry-transfer it to your T-shirt?

>Once you have a laser image, you lay a piece of special colored film
>over the image and heat either with an iron or re-run the sheet through
>the laser and let the fuser do the work. The color then attaches to the 
>toner.
>
>Most of these colors are metallic, but there are some standard, non-
>metallic colors as well. Letraset was the first company to market
>the color transfer stuff.

I've heard of this but have yet to come across any. You can also suppo-
sedly use an iron to do this.




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From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Subject: Re: FAA Message from NAR President
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:38:21 GMT

In article <1ej4vgINN4er@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
|> November 17, 1992
|> 
|> 
|> In May 1985 the National Association of Rocketry (NAR) and the
|> Hobby Industries of America (HIA) proposed the following two
|> changes to the Federal Air Regulations (FAR Part 101):
|> 
|>  (details deleted)....
|> 
|> Public response to the FAA NPRM is due on or before December 9,
|> 1992, and should be sent to the following address:
|> 
|>                  Federal Aviation Administration
|>                      Office of Chief Counsel
|>                  Attention:  Rules Docket AGC-10
|>                         Docket No. 26965
|>                   800 Independence Avenue S.W.
|>                     Washington, D.C.   20591
|> 
|> The NAR hopes you will carefully evaluate its official position
|> on the FAA NPRM.  The NAR hopes you will support and endorse this
|> position in writing.  You are encouraged to provide a written
|> response to the FAA at the above address.
|> 
|> To be the most effective it is important that all written
|> responses arrive at the FAA on or about December 8, 1992.  The
|> NAR will file its official position on that date, and the
|> coincident support from you will increase the effectiveness of
|> this position.
|> 

OK.  Everyone print off the letter and take it to your local NAR section.
THE NAR NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!  Tripoli members...please respond as well.  This
change will not affect HPR, but it's for the good of the hobby and that helps
us all.  So PLEASE pass Pat's letter around your local Prefects.

C.D., would you care to post a 'sample' appropriate response reflecting
the NAR's position?

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From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: Tripoli Confirmation to Change
Summary: Testing required.
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:37:04 GMT

A thread on CompuServe has indicated that the Tripoli board has decided
to change the confirmation process to include a written test and to
break up the confirmation into several levels.

It appears that there will be at least two levels of confirmation, one
for H & I impulse class and one for J and above.  Both will require a
written test and a flight.  There will be a one-year phase in period for
current confirmed individuals to make arrangements to take the tests,
etc. 

Anyone know any more?

-- 
Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
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From: soc1070                         
Subject: Re: Decals via Laser Printer
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:42:00 GMT

Iskandar Taib writes...
soc1070 (Tim Harincar) 
>>As a computer graphics person, I have done quite a bit of experimenting 
>>with laser printers and making my own rocket art. I mostly stick with
>>clear sticky-back type stocks, they are the cheapest and most available.
> 
>>I use Fasson brand, and I think its 1.5 or 2 mil. thick. It works good for
>>large models but is a little thick for small scale stuff. It curls right
>>out of the laser while it cools. Don't worry, though. It doesn't distort.
> 
>Where do you get Fasson? I've heard that its the same as Fas-Cal. Fas-Cal
>is used by C/L combat fliers as covering. I'd like to find a cheap source.

Don't think in terms of 'hobby' oriented material. This stuff is available
at most quick print shops. Typically its called Crack 'N Peel, made by
Fasson. It's a label stock for offset printing.

>>I have never seen the dry-transfer stuff, but I know its pretty popular
>>with the railroad folks. (that is, the pre-printed stuff).
> 
>Hmmm isn't this the same stuff used by T-shirt shops? You know, where they
>xerox a picture then dry-transfer it to your T-shirt?

No, I don't think this is the same technique. T-Shirt xfers use heat, don't
they? I thought Ed was referring to Letraset style lettering (or 
zip-a-tone), basically, rub down type lettering.

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Central Minnesota 			who don't know what to do with
Association of Rocketry			themselves on a rainy Sunday 
soc1070@vx.cis.umn.edu			afternoon. -Susan Ertz
From: barrett@add.itg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: HPR info
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:59:09 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: powder.add.itg.ti.com

  Just to follow up on some threads that were topical a while back:

  - Subscriptions to High Power Rocketry can be had for $25/yr.

        High Power Rocketry
        PO Box 96
        Orem, UT. 84059-0096

  - You can send contributions to help support the legal fight with the
DOT and CPSC to:

        Tripoli Rocketry Assoc. Inc
        Scott Dingman
        PO Box 339
        Kenner, LA. 70063-0339

     Make sure you make your checks payable to:

        Tripoli Rocketry Assoc: LEGAL FUND


  - Some talk awhile back on using tiny gyroscopes in HPR.  I know a guy
in Austin that uses a Futaba (sp?)  gyro in his Sun Seeker to handle
role stabilization.  Gyro is connected to custom electronics package and
servos which manipulate canard like surfaces.  He said that these gyros
are standard equipment on RC helicopters and are used to compensate for
the precession effect of the main roter.  You will need to have a pretty
complete electronics lab (e.g.  oscilloscope) to build one of these.
However, it can be done!

  - Jack, the more I think about the orientation of the video tape in
Randy's rocket the more it makes sense to me to have the tape vertical.
The transport mechanism pulls the tape out of the cassette and threads
it though the various pinch rollers etc.  If the tape was oriented other
than vertical then the G forces would tend to pull the tape out of the
cassette since it already has a designed degree of freedom in this
direction.  Aligned in the vertical direction the tape will be held in
place by the various tape guides that are used to align the tape across
the tape heads.  A non-vertical orientation would cause the tape to
stretch or bunch up while is was coming out or going into the cassette.

Stu Barrett  barrett@add.itg.ti.com
TRA#1277  NAR#4341
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: NARWIN IV Comments
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:30:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.221203.1672@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano) writes:

>One of the things I cannot quite comprehend about large rockets is this
>business. Why make a large rocket that looks like a small one? It's better,
>IMHO, to make a large rocket that looks like an even bigger one! The Mega-Vega
>I saw about a week ago in Culpeper, VA, was pretty cool, even if the pods
>did fall off the fins. But it looked like a bigger rocket, even though Estes
>has made it in a couple of smaller sizes. Economy-sized versions of the
>Interceptor, Star Raider, and even the Solar Sailer sound pretty neat. But
>a mongo version of the "Fow-Dr-r-ry"? That's one that looked too big in the
>first place!

Well, its the tongue-in-cheekness I guess. Like the monster Mosquito 
we were talking about a while back...

I remember seeing pictures of someone's 8x Delta Dart for slope soar-
ing. The Delta Dart, by the way, is a small, diamond shaped rubber powered
stick model with flat, pre-printed tissue covered wings with perhaps a 
10 inch span...

Then there was the person who made a small (18 inch or so span) CO2 free-
flight model of some famous flier's R/C pattern plane, complete with scale 
motor and clip-on muffler...

Hmmm I wonder if a scale bad paint job (like you'd find on the bottom 
tier of the 4H rocket club's display) would be looked upon favorably in 
this event..





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From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
Subject: Scale model rocket sources
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:15:28 GMT

At one point in history, several plastic model makers offered kits of
various rockets. In fact, more than one offered kits that had models of
all the major rockets of the day (Revel, as I recall, had one that had
pretty much everything the U.S. was flying up to the mid '60s, Atlas,
Delta, Thor, Vanguard, Jupiter, and so on).

Can anyone point me in the directioon of a source of such things today. It
would be nice not only to get a hold of current stuff (Titan, Delta, etc.)
but the historical stuff as well. Note that I am NOT looking for flying
models.

I have a 9 year old who is deeply interested in space flight, and he is
very interested in the history of the space program (theirs AND ours).

Any help in preparing for Christmas would be most appreciated.


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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: VeriFire Questions
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:05:23 GMT

I have been considering getting a VeriFire launch controller as my
Christmas present to myself but have a few questions.  First, how far
way from the pad can the control panel get?  For a number of reasons,
I'd like to be a good 150-200 feet away.  (Even with model rockets this
would be a nice distance - you get a better view of the flight.)
Second, how rugged is it?  Third, what would be  a good battery for it?

Thanks
-- 
Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
"You know, I think we're all Bozos on this bus."
"Detail Dress Circuits" "Belt: Above A, Below B" "Close B ClothesMode"
From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Subject: High Power Altitude Records
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:03:14 GMT

I am in the process (FINALLY!!) of updating the FAQ for its next release.  I
read in the November/December _High Power Rocketry_ of several record or
near record flights.  There were few details, though.  Mention was made of

   1. Tom Binford's 'Cloudbuster', Vulcan O3000, 24,662 feet AGL
   2. 'New Mexico Team' rocket flown at BALLS-2, two stage, 53,000 +
      feet AGL

Can anyone give me any more details on these flights, or suggest who(m?) I 
might call?

Thanks,
    Buzz

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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: soc1070                         
Subject: Re: Decals via Laser Printer
Summary: Any pointers?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:47:00 GMT

Edmund Hack writes...

>I was reading the tech report series from NCR on High Power Rocketry 
>and in the section on finishing techniques, they mention a couple of methods
>of making decals using laser printers.
> 
>First, there is a kind of clear film that is adhesive that will go through
>the printer and make a self-stick decal.  Anyone used it and have a pointer
>to a brand name and cost?
> 
>Second, they mention there is a type of film that can be processed in a
>laser printer to make dry transfer decals.  Again, anyone used it and
>have a pointer to the brand name and cost?
> 
>I'd like to make up a sheet or two of Name/NAR #/TRA # decals or transfers.

As a computer graphics person, I have done quite a bit of experimenting 
with laser printers and making my own rocket art. I mostly stick with
clear sticky-back type stocks, they are the cheapest and most available.

I use Fasson brand, and I think its 1.5 or 2 mil. thick. It works good for
large models but is a little thick for small scale stuff. It curls right
out of the laser while it cools. Don't worry, though. It doesn't distort.

Toner chips very easily off of the smooth finish, so be careful and as soon 
as you can, spray on an over coat of clear flat enamel or laquer. I tape
the sheet down to cardboard then spray, Leave it for a day or so. This also
makes it lie flat.

I know that blank water transfer stock is available, but its about $3 for
an 8.5 x 11 sheet. Use same method as above to preserve the image. This is
usually available at model railroad shops.

I have never seen the dry-transfer stuff, but I know its pretty popular
with the railroad folks. (that is, the pre-printed stuff).

One other option that I have wanted to try is the heat-transfer colors.
Once you have a laser image, you lay a piece of special colored film
over the image and heat either with an iron or re-run the sheet through
the laser and let the fuser do the work. The color then attaches to the 
toner.

Most of these colors are metallic, but there are some standard, non-
metallic colors as well. Letraset was the first company to market
the color transfer stuff.
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Central Minnesota 			who don't know what to do with
Association of Rocketry			themselves on a rainy Sunday 
soc1070@vx.cis.umn.edu			afternoon. -Susan Ertz
From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: First Livermore Meeting and Launch
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:26:27 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd., Livermore, CA


         LIVERMORE KIWANIS YOUTH PROGRAM MODEL ROCKET CLUB
                MEMBERSHIP MEETING AND LAUNCH

The first regular meeting of the Livermore Kiwanis Youth Program 
Model Rocket Club (gotta find a shorter name :-) will be on Thursday 
evening, November 19, 1992. 

Meeting location: Asbury United Methodist Church, 4743 East Avenue, 
   Livermore (at the corner of East and Buena Vista), classroom #10.

Time: 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM (approximately)

Activities:

* Brief review of 1st Board meeting, status of NAR Sanctioning

* Presentation by Jack Hagerty, Senior NAR member, "Model Rocketry: What 
   it is, Why it's safe"

* "Name the Club" contest

* General Q&A

=====================================================

The first regular LAUNCH of the Rocket Club will be on Saturday 
   November 21, 1992 

Launch location: Gardella Greens, behind City Hall at the end of 
   Pacific Avenue.

Time: 8:30 AM till noon

Range Store courtesy of Hobby Haven

There will be a $2 launch fee for all non-members

For more information contact:
   Sgt. Mark Weiss, (510) 373-5303 (days)
   Jack Hagery (510) 455-1746 (evenings)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: What Paint to Use on Styrafoam?
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.192600.25061@ennews.eas.asu.edu> elder@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
(Greg Elder) writes:
>I'm trying to build a flying snowman rocket using styrafoam balls for
>a December launch.  I know that some types of paint will melt/shrink
>styrafoam.  What types of paint don't, i.e., what kind of paint can I
>use which will not harm the styrafoam?  I believe this was mentioned
>some time back in a posting, but I did not save that post.  Thanks.
>
>
>--
>Greg Elder                                        elder@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
>Department of Computer Science            or      elder@seine.eas.asu.edu
>Arizona State University
>
>

Try "Polly-S".  The "S" stands for styrofoam.  It's water based.
I don't know what you do if you want a gloss finish as I don't associate
waterbased paint with gloss finishes.  Floor wax of some type?

Good luck,
Jim


Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: (Long) Text of FAA Change Proposal
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:40:07 GMT

cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
: In article <1992Nov21.003126.9062@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: > I was interested in the FAA's published proposed rule change. It would
: > be nice if you could retrieve that for us who do not access CompuServe.
: 

... Long FAA proposal deleted ...

Thanks, C.D. - that is just what I wanted.

Bill
From: row0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RICHARD O. WHITE)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Tiny Gryo
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:39:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi everyone....
Some time ago a netter was asdking about a gyro small enough to fit
inside a large HP rocket. well I found one!!!!
I've sent for info .. not recieved as of this posting.
for those interested the Mfg is:
                 Gyration Inc.
                 12930 Saratoga Ave
                 Saratoga, Calif.  95070
                 (408)-255-3016
According the Pop.Sci (dec 92 pg 74) this little beastie
is 1.2 oz with a size of a can of film (35mm?).
the Gyro uses a photodiode and led scheme so the electronics must be
seperate from the unit. The first use will be a mouse for multimedia
and presentation appilcations on a compuer platform..So looks like
some interfacing software is involved..
Inovator ALERT......
Micro-proc on board guidence systems for j and up units looks like fun..
 Thought I'd pass the info
 With the speed of a photon bye...R.White
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Questions - Part 4 of 5
Keywords: FAQ
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:59:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.172515.675@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott) writes:
>Rec.Models.Rockets FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions): Part 4 of 5

>   The "official" raw egg is
>   described in the Pink Book as: "a raw, USDA Large hen's egg with a mass of
>   no less than 57 grams and no more than 63 grams, and measuring no more than
>   45mm in diameter."

This got me thinking. Hmmm.. Hen's egg? Well, what other kind of egg
would there be? Roosters don't have eggs...

I suppose this might prevent one from breeding pygmy ostriches with 1/16"
eggshells but aren't those _hen_ ostriches? (You'd have to get around to
getting them USDA certified of course..) ...



9-) 9-) 9-)










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From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Re: NARWIN IV Comments
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:12:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.175941.20002@ennews.eas.asu.edu> elder@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Greg Elder) writes:

> NARWIN IV was a NAR regional contest sponsored by
>the SSS in Phoenix, AZ.  It was held this past weekend (Nov 14-15).
>Sport flying was also held on both days, with a number of
>high powered rockets being flown as well.  The largest engines used
>were in the J range.

You've got my chops watering for the NSL. Will it be on the same field?

> Ed LaCroix launched his "Flying Cone".  (That's
>what I call it, it looks like a big pointed nose cone.  I think it is
>actually a model of an old design for an ABM, though the actual name
>escapes me.)

Sounds like a Sprint. I made a few of these (in "not too [sic] scale" versions)
many years back, from pictures in _Jane's_Weapons_of_Mass_Destruction_, or
whatever it was called.

>   There were some
>great models entered in the Ultra Scale (Giant Sport Scale?) event.  A lot
>of craftsmanship involved here.  In this event, you scale up a small rocket
>to a high powered version.  There were giant versions of the Estes
>Interceptor, Solar Sailer, Star Raider, and Der V-3.

One of the things I cannot quite comprehend about large rockets is this
business. Why make a large rocket that looks like a small one? It's better,
IMHO, to make a large rocket that looks like an even bigger one! The Mega-Vega
I saw about a week ago in Culpeper, VA, was pretty cool, even if the pods
did fall off the fins. But it looked like a bigger rocket, even though Estes
has made it in a couple of smaller sizes. Economy-sized versions of the
Interceptor, Star Raider, and even the Solar Sailer sound pretty neat. But
a mongo version of the "Fow-Dr-r-ry"? That's one that looked too big in the
first place!

John Viggiano, jsvrc@rc.rit.edu
NAR 25615
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA