From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re:
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:36:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.231434.13126@microsoft.com>
     bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

> adolphso writes:

>>It absolutely is *not* our responsibility to educate anyone about
>>anything.

   I disagree, really... One way or another we have to convince the
hets, wherever they are, that we are just another kind of human, just
as reasonable as they are.

>>I was -- am -- offended by this asshole's refusal to own up to his
>>homophobia and by his attempt to blame the uncloseted for keeping
>>"handsome, masculine, and closeted" gay men in the closet.

>Arne, whether you like it or not, it is true.  Even if you are
>"offended" (such strong language!), that doesn't detract from the
>truth of what I said.

   Then you want the truth, Bob?  Truth or not, your "handsome,
masculine, and closeted" gays are _cowards_.  Dammit, if you want to be
gay and butch, then bloody say so!  Come together as a crowd and prove
how you can be "manly" and still take cock up your ass.  Otherwise, go
home and cry in your closet.

>Because of what people like you do / say, it becomes very hard for
>those in the closet to ever come out.  Again:  people like you
>make coming out very difficult to do, because the precedents set 
>are not positive ones.

   Sez you, Bob.  Do you think it's *at all* easy for any gay man to
come out?  If you want to make the world safe "your kind of faggot,"
you'd do it a favor and encourage your fellow butchboys to set a "good"
example or two.

   You've just minimized the personal cost, tragedy, and pain of EVERY
gay man, butch or queen, who came out of the closet.  THAT, my friend,
is the coldest thing you could have possibly done.

>(adolphso)
>>(And what about the not so handsome closeted gay men?  Or the handsome
>>but not so masculine closet cases?)  I don't have much patience for people
>>in the closet.

>That's okay, Arne; most of them have NO patience for people like you.

   That's nice, Bob.  Stay in your closet and REMAIN POWERLESS.  May
you NEVER reap the rewards the movement wins in the name of humanity.
STAY THERE, in ABJECT FEAR of having your masculinity questioned, until
Hell freezes over!

>(adolphso)
>>I never have had patience for them, and probably never will.
>That's your problem, Arne.  Don't expect a round of applause.

   I don't expect that he does.  Neither do I.

>If you would just take responsibility for your own actions, that would
>be more than enough.

   *Gak*  What do you think we're doing?  I refuse to conform (do you
remember this word from High School, Bobby-boy?) to some "non-
effeminate" standard on your say so.  I take all responsibility
for my actions.

   You're the one, by claiming to be the voice of the "silent,
closeted majority," who's busily writing checks with his mouth that his
ass can't keep.  Why isn't your "more normal" [ let's face it, that's
what you're arguing, isn't it?  That you're "more normal" than the rest
of us, more "deserving" of heterosexual respect ] crowd doing IT'S part
to win it's rights as a loving, marrying, child-rearing, and respect-
worthy part of society.

   C. O. W. A. R. D.

         Elf !!!
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