HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: norman@netsys.com (Norman Gillaspie)
Subject: windows newsreader
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:35:18 GMT

I am looking for an FTP site where I can download helldiver. Helldiver is
an ffline windows news reader. Has anyone used this program?

Norman


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From: dewerk@yosemite.csufresno.edu (<< Dragon >>)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: PowerBBS
Keywords: windows, powerbbs
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:16:06 GMT
Organization: California State University, Fresno


can anyone tell me where i can ftp PowerBBS from and under what name i
should look...

thanks in advance...

 -- Paul-Joseph


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: vancleef@garg.arc.nasa.gov (Robert VanCleef)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and BBS software
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:20:05 GMT

I'm not sure that I understand your requirements. I run a Waffle BBS under
Windows 3.1 as a standard DOS application. Any package should be able to
run in enhanced mode that way. If your asking for a Windows compliant 
package, then I can't help.

For Waffle however there is a local, windows based news reading program
that works (only on the local console) very well. (called helldiver)

My 386/4mb BBS normally runs two-three waffle sessions. One is monitoring
the phone line and acting as a BBS. The second is simply running all of the
background administrative tasks (news batching, etc.) And, when I want
to login, I start a third MS-DOS session to login locally.

Bob
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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and BBS software
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 10:36:07 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

> In <1993Jan1.120522.28801@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writ
> 
> 
> >OS/2 v2.x is an excellent platform for what Kevin is trying to do. There is 
> >OS/2 version of Maximus that does the job very well.
> > 
> >You would need at least 6 megs with OS/2 v2.0.......though the upcoming V2.1
> >runs better in less memory. I have the beta for OS/2 2.1 running pretty well
> >on a 386DX/25 with 4 meg of RAM on a PC at work. 
> > 
> >There are several BBS's here in Wellington running Maximus on OS/2. The nice
> >part about is the vastly superior multi-tasking of OS/2 over Windows. This
> >shows especially when dealing with modems and comms programs. DOS comms run 
> >under OS/2 but native OS/2 programs are definitly superior to anything aroun
> >for smooth multi-tasking - like Maximus for OS/2. 
> 
> Note that this does, however, have the problem of not allowing the use
> of most 'doors' (which are written to run on DOS) or of a lot of the
> Opus-compatible utilities that Maximus on DOS should be able to run.
> 
I'm sure there are ways to do this.  As for the doors they should be able to
be run by shelling out a command.com /c doorprogram and OS/2 will just load
a temporary DOS session for that program under the OS/2 session.  I've done
some experimenting with this with normal programs and they worked just fine,
but not in a BBS environment.  Besides, as long as the OS/2 and DOS versions
use the same file formats, then the DOS sysop utils that do file maintenance
will still work running in a DOS session (unless the sysop uses longer file
names than DOS allows).

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: vrv@cimage.com (Victor Volkman)
Subject: Sysops Modem Discount Report #19 Now Available!
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:02:38 GMT


            Sysops Modem Sale Programs -- SYSMOD19.ZIP -- 04-JAN-93
                Straight Talk About Modems For Sysops Since 1991

    [INTRODUCTION]

         You may have heard that various modem manufacturers offer
    discounts on high-speed modems to qualified sysops.  However, you will
    soon find yourself chasing down every BBS in the country trying to get
    all the details.  When you get the details, you still have to sort
    through and find out who really has the best deal.  Since I've spent a
    couple years doing this for myself, I figured other people would like
    to save the time and trouble as well.  I've been a Sysop since 1988
    and would like to help anyone else along that I can!

    [HOW TO GET SYSMOD19.ZIP]

    HAL 9000 BBS:  (313)663-4173  1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis
                   (313)663-3959  1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis

    ftp:           pinto.cimage.com (or 139.171.201.125)
                   latest version in /pub directory

From: Scott.Simmer@f7050.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Scott Simmer)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: TECHNICIANS IN SURREY DELTA
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 22:42:28 -0800

Sorry, unrelated topic, but noticed by your footer that your with a consulting
firm here in BC. Wondered if you could recomend any good PC Techs in
Surrey\Delta\White Rock area.  Thanks

Scott Simmer
ICE Systems Vancouver
From: isc@panix.com (David Koosis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and BBS software
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:14:31 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1993Jan4.165959.11691@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>In <C0Asys.5C0@panix.com> isc@panix.com (David Koosis) writes:

>>hasn't anyone come up with a (ms) windows-based windowing
>>protocol yet? so that we could run bbs's with windowing
>>interfaces?
...
>>do we have to do it ourselves?

>Probably, and I would expect it to be DOG SLOW running over anything
>less than a V.32bis connection.  Of course, X has this problem, too.

I'm not so sure it would have to be dog slow.
I think a version of the 80/20 (or even 95/5) rule applies:
80% of user activity will fall into 20% of the possible domain.
If you optimize that 20% (by downloading data, commonly used dialogs, 
etc. to the client side) then performance might actually be *better*
than one finds on the conventional tty interface.

If the protocol allows for bi-directional communication, you
could even download the diff of the the server file list (for example)
while the user decides which key to press next.  Then when the
user lists files -- presto! -- it's there.

- david
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From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: QWK, OCR, FAX! Lotsa stuff!
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:37:04

On Jan 10 22:19, UUCP of swight@kean.ucs.mun.ca wrote:


 > If anyone knows where I could find a QWK mail door for Remote 
 > Access, it would be GREATLY appriciated, I have tried and 
 > tried again, but could not find one. 
 > Also, if anyone knows of the existence of any shareware FAX 
 > or OCR software it would be GREAT.  I would be forever in 
 > anyones debt for this information.

I seem to have one here:

 CNTRA100.ZIP  QWK packet mail processor for RemoteAccess. Many features -    
            easy config

Call +1 714 939-6401 HST/V.32bis, etc.
From: rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Help on bbs
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:14:28 GMT
Organization: APG-Edgewood



ok, I need alittle hello, I need alittle help.

I'm running "modded telegard" under os/2 with a 9600 baud modem. I'm having
a problem with online games...

My init string is
ATM0V0E0X1W4S0=0S2=1S10=40&C1

My fossil driver is X00.sys 

I'm running with full screen, com hold, and idle senstivity at 100

ok, my problem is that when my users return from playing an online game, all
they see is trash and have to hang up. A user thinks its a setting on the fast
modem since he's seen others do it, even under dos.

So any suggestions anyone?

Rob Merritt
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,comp.bbs.waffle,news.software.readers
From: luciana@rnp3 (Luciana O. Goes Neno)
Subject: Offline readers and packet formats
Keywords: offline readers bbs
Organization: IMPA/CNPq
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:57:42 GMT

I am currently investigating offline message readers that offer support to
mail messages as well as to Usenet messages. Is there a faq anywhere about OLRs?
Most of the OLRs I've heard work with the .QWK packet format - is there a doc 
describing this format?

On the last days people in this newsgroup have been talking about Bluewave v2.12
 SpeedRead, ATP and MegaMail. Is there any Internet site from where I could FTP
them? Downloading by phone lines from Brazil would be very costly :-).

Sorry if some of these questions are faqs, but I'm a novice in BBSs and related
subjects!

Regards

--Luciana

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and BBS software
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:57:29 GMT

In <1993Jan1.120522.28801@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:


>OS/2 v2.x is an excellent platform for what Kevin is trying to do. There is an
>OS/2 version of Maximus that does the job very well.
> 
>You would need at least 6 megs with OS/2 v2.0.......though the upcoming V2.1
>runs better in less memory. I have the beta for OS/2 2.1 running pretty well
>on a 386DX/25 with 4 meg of RAM on a PC at work. 
> 
>There are several BBS's here in Wellington running Maximus on OS/2. The nice
>part about is the vastly superior multi-tasking of OS/2 over Windows. This
>shows especially when dealing with modems and comms programs. DOS comms run OK
>under OS/2 but native OS/2 programs are definitly superior to anything around
>for smooth multi-tasking - like Maximus for OS/2. 

Note that this does, however, have the problem of not allowing the use
of most 'doors' (which are written to run on DOS) or of a lot of the
Opus-compatible utilities that Maximus on DOS should be able to run.

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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 and BBS software
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:41:18 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <3muwwB4w165w@tcscs.UUCP> tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:

>mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>> In <C0Asys.5C0@panix.com> isc@panix.com (David Koosis) writes:
>> 
>> >On a related note:
>> 
>> >hasn't anyone come up with a (ms) windows-based windowing
>> >protocol yet? so that we could run bbs's with windowing
>> >interfaces?
>> 
>> >I've seen America Online's nifty GEOS front-end, as well 
>> >as some X-windows front ends, but nothing for windows.
>> 
>> 
>> >do we have to do it ourselves?
>> 
>> Probably, and I would expect it to be DOG SLOW running over anything
>> less than a V.32bis connection.  Of course, X has this problem, too.

>Look at PCAnywhere from Symantec.  I've not used it personally, but it does
>windowing in VGA.  All it does is send the commands over the phoen system,
>and makes your local system draw the same boxes that are drawn on the remote
>system.  This seems like a good way of doing things.  And it shouldn't be
>as bad as trying to send a lot of picture data.  

However, Windows and X are not that amenable to this sort of thing.
If you want to see what it will look like, try X across a SLIP
connection.  Anything under about 19.2k and most things CRAWL.  Both
Windows and X do a lot of graphic bitmap sorts of things.  Simply
doing windowing isn't that big a deal.  Running something like X or
Windows across a phone line is something else again.  This is why PC
GEOS and things like NAPLPS are relatively fast.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: stmfarqu@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Michael J. Farquharson)
Subject: Maximus Utilities Uploaded to FTP Site!!!!!
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:10:09 GMT

        I have recently uploaded several Maximus related utilities to an
FTP site in Germany whose resources were generously donated so that an
archive of Max related utils could be created.  The FTP site is
atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de (134.2.71.63) and the files should be
appearing in the /pub/msdos directory in the next day or so I would say.
They just have to be moved from the /incoming directory...

        The utilities I've uploaded so far are only those which I could find
scattered around at FTP sites.  I will shortly be uploading (at 2400 baud)
about 2 or 3 megs of additional archived Maximus Utilities, but it will take
a couple of days to get enough time for me to do this.

        A special thanks to Michael Kuch who donated the space at this site.
If you have any questions about any of the utilities... feel free to ask me,
there's about a 50/50 chance I'll know how the program works.

P.S.  Feel free to upload any Maximus utilities you might have as well into
      the /incoming directory.  But PLEASE send a brief description of what
      the program does.  Thanks.

===============================================================================
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stmfarqu@upei.ca     | Phone:  (902)-628-1230
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: "-- " as a signature delimiter
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 08:50:37 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.99

mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:

> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
> 
>> if some programs are written to recognize it as a signature delimiter, why 
>> not have Waffle insert it automatically, in place of the blank line that
> 
> Auhhh...Waffle does if you have it in your sig or mailsig files.
> 
> --

(note the "--\n" above)

trivia: rusnews checks if the first line of the sig file is "-- \n" - if
not, it puts one there for you; then it just appends the rest of the sig.
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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 22:41:43 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:

| uucp+rnews:

|   I've seen people claim that this approach _requires_ frequent polling to
|   prevent filling up the feed's disk.  it'd be easy enough to have a program
|   wander through each spool/* directory, looking for `rnews' batches older
|   than `n' days and turfing them when space got tight.

Such a program already exists: Uuclean.  I use it here - it is a clone
of the UNIX uucp uuclean program...

| Ease of installation
| 
| QWK:

This is about the only thing QWK has going for it...

| Ease of use
| 
| QWK:

(and this...)

QWK format is only good for people who want no-brainer install/operation and
don't have the guts to tackle Waffle install.  Unfortunately, that covers
about 99% of the American public and 70% of the new connections to Usenet.

The QWK format is very bad, and any format has to be shoehorned into it.

I try to recommend Waffle and/or Fidonet setups, but I have at least one
user who INSISTS on using SLiMeR....


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From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: uucico & rmail problems
Keywords: uucico infinit loop
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 10:04:54 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

In <Jan.5.22.53.11.1993.25384@pilot.njin.net> pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman) writes:
>Rmail seems to be munging the "From " line.  Mailers that reply using
>it fail.  (The "From: " line is fine.) The return path reads
>"des!des.edu" instead of "des!user."  Ideas here?

What user interface are you using to compose/send the mail?
Does the same thing happen with the Waffle internal mail sub-system?

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From: revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Bob Van Cleef)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Helldiver - hangs BBS
Keywords: helldiver windows hangs waffle
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:36:49 -0800
Organization: The Land of Garg

In <HTWUrAWGBh108h@meteor.brisnet.org.au> rhys@meteor.brisnet.org.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:
>

>Never fear, something shall be done.
>Cheers,
>Rhys.

Thanks - Other than the system "slow-down" <g> Helldiver is a fantastic improvement.

Of course, give me a week and I will have a long list of enhancements to request.
<chuckle>


Bob

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From: dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 19:24:42 PST
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

> A totally awesome newsreader deserves a totally awesome operating system
> to run under, don't you think?  :-)

  Yes, but ONLY if this particular news reader gets a name change too.

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From: steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Helldiver - hangs BBS
Keywords: helldiver windows hangs waffle
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 16:22:06 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: The GRAFex Company

revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Bob Van Cleef) writes:

> I just started experimenting with Helldiver, and I must add my
> thanks to the all those previously posted. However, there is a
> critical problem that I need to find a way around...
> 
> While scanning through newsgroups, Helldiver hangs windows! It appears
> to take exclusive use of the system during the scan, causing the BBS
> to die. This obviously is not acceptable.
> 
> Details:
>   Waffle 1.65, DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, SuperPRO disk compression utility
> 
> When I selected "Next Group", the hourglass icon came onscreen, the
> clock stopped running (time 10:14) and the BBS paused in the middle of
> a dial out session. This state of affairs lasted for 14 minutes!

Be sure your Waffle window time slice is substantially more than HD's.
I have mine set at 500fg/500bg.  Windows desktop apps are set at 50/50.
Slows things down considerably when working, but that's the price of
Windows.
 
> During that time, the modem dropped the dialout. The phone rang three
> times, was answered by the modem, and the connection was dropped. I
> could not get anything to respond from the keyboard or mouse. All I
> could do was move the hourglass cursor around the screen.

During this time, Windows does not refresh the screen, so it is really
difficult to tell what is happening during connects.

Also, be sure your waffle window is set to work as a bg task.  Check your
settings. (Click on the left window-bar square.)
 
> Details: (more)
>    The newsgroup was comp.os.linix - it had 926 files, for a total of
> 1.4 Megabytes of messages. This was the first time I had run helldiver
> and hit that news group.

HD does not handle large groups gracefully.
 
> Suggestion:
>    Helldiver drop to a lessor priority when scanning. It should not
> take exclusive use of the system.

Rhys is aware of the problem.

steve

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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:23:24 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

> It certainly makes sense when the 8 screwdrivers require a complicated
> "preparation" and then "training" phase before you can start using them!
> 
> The average user wants a simple program with pull-down menus, etc. to
> sign on, retrieve any new messages, perform any file transfers as
> required, and then sign off.  I mean, look at the success and simplicity
> of the All-In-One mail front-end, the CompuServe Information Manager, Elm,
> Pine, etc.  
> 
> Users don't want to spend 2 to 3 weeks getting things working properly, 
> and then the rest of time tweaking and perfecting something just to do
> the same thing.  Waffle as an automatic transfer mechanism/reader/etc. 
> is *fantastic*.  But for admins, not users.

I used to think the same thing. But one of my users just set up his
own Waffle under OS/2 in less than a week. I'm pissed because it took
me MONTHS to get my system online :-S


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