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From: templin@grayling.cs.berkeley.edu (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Date: 7 Apr 1992 23:04:27 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, University of California Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr7.202710.4761@cbnews.cb.att.com>, mak@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.a.kelly) writes:
|>  
|> I am trying to tie my 2lb leader to my fly line.  I have been trying
|> to use a blood knot.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.
|> Mark 
|> 

Hi Mark,

If what you've got is actually a tapered leader which tapers from a thick butt
section down to 2 lb. test, you've at least got the right stuff to start with.
However, the blood knot won't work when tying monofilament to the fly line.
(Blood knots only work w/ mono-to-mono when the two pieces are the same or very
close to the same diameter). The knot you want is called a "nail knot" and
unfortunately it's very difficult to describe in words, yet very simple when
you see a picture of it. Most pre-made tapered leaders from Cortland, Orvis,
Dai-Riki, etc. show a picture of the "nail knot" on the back of the leader
package. Don't be discouraged if this knot seems difficult at first; it takes
a little practice at first before it becomes second nature...

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Fred L. Templin
(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)

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From: RGDURH01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (FLORIDIOT)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: For beginning fly fishermen
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:25:49 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11


For beginning fly fishermen:

	The May issue of Outdoor Life has a very good article in it called:
Flyfishing Starter Kit.  It is very informative and straight forward.

Rick "Muletrain" Durham
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: testing new sig
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:13:25 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

Well, my post did not do me any good, so I am going to try running a
new .signature for a while.  Sorry for the bandwidth.

swood

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re: Life Is Real
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:43:13 GMT

Ah, I thought droplines were universally known - sorry!
A dropline is a bunch of string wrapped around a kind
of wooden spool, commonly used in flounder fishing.
on the business end is what's called a spreader, which
consists of a sinker in the middle and hook setups on
both sides. You lower the line in the water (by hand)
till it hits bottom, then pull it up 4-6" and sit with 
the line between 2 fingers waiting to feel the take.
Now and then you give a hard jerk on the line to keep
yourself awake. AKA; handline.
Sometimes it comes on a plastic spool with a real light
sinker. They sell these to tourists for pier fishing,
then sell them new (light) sinkers when they hook the 
pier, every 10-15 minutes :-o
                                        jc
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Oregon/Washington fishing trouble??
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:33:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department
Keywords: population

In article <1992Apr13.182301.12270@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>In article <5049@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> night@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Mark W Nightingale) writes:
>>(Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>>>dixon@spot.Colorado.EDUwrites:
>>>>Yeah, I have to agree...population growth is the root of all the
>>>>problems. 
>>>
>>>No, not necessarily. Lack of spawning grounds, wetlands, habitat is probably
>>>more important. 
>>
>>Now, ask yourself why there is a lack of spawning grounds, wetlands and screwed
>>up habitat...
>>
>>It comes from population growth.
>>
>>I think Dixon is right... Population growth is THE ROOT of it all.

But there is hope: AIDS.  Also, fossil fuel sources, which fuel development,
are finite.

>I think there definitely is a correlation to people living on the coast, and
>to pollution from these people and indirectly from dumping of chemicals and
>such from companies. 
>
>But if, by some magic, all coastal populations were zapped from the face of the earth, without the estuaries there STILL would be no fish for a long time.
>The estuaries must be restored, either by nature (a SLOW process) or by man
>himself.

Right.  We have to solve the problem at various levels.  But clearly, if we
don't solve the population problem we are only treating symtoms, postponing
the inevitable.  I agree, population growth is THE ROOT problem.

>With hope for the future....

Nature will restore the balance, I think.  The question is, how painful
will the process be?  If you think our civilization is "permanent," study
history, then think again.  Ignorant leadership brings collapse and ruin.

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-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: templin@grayling.cs.berkeley.edu (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Date: 7 Apr 1992 23:06:40 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, University of California Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

I just re-read your memo. It sounds like ALL you have is the 2lb. mono. I'd
recommend going to any tackle shop (preferably a fly shop) and buying a couple
of tapered fly leaders of the manufacturers I had listed or whichever the fly
shop recommends...
-- 
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Fred L. Templin
(templin@grayling.Berkeley.EDU)

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From: lbriggs@ds5000.crc.northeastern.edu (Lebaron Briggs)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: LL Bean
Keywords: LL Bean
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:29:05 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02190

Address for LL Bean:
 
LL Bean Inc
Freeport ME 04033
 
800-221-4221

Ask for the fishing catalog aand perhaps also the leisure activites
catalog.

Baron

lebaron@northeastern.edu
From: stevebu@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Steve Bussolari x5956 g41)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: re: spawning bass fishing
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:41:06 GMT
Reply-To: stevebu@atc.ll.mit.edu
Distribution: alt.fishing
Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 41

<1992Apr3.195030.28186@bnr.ca> Tim Dudley writes:

> I've often wondered about this - what's the general opinion out there
> about fishing for bass during spawning season?  I have to admit to
> having done it one season, had great fishing, released everything,
> but felt a little uncomfortable.  Does this wreck the fisheries?
> Prevent the released bass from spawning?  Can I do it this year with a
> clear conscience (assuming the season's open...)?

I just read an article on the subject in one of the New England state
Fish&Game agency publications (I think it was the New Hampshire).
Their study concluded that largemouth bass, when released within 1/4
mile of their nest will return to the nest site, but not otherwise.
The subject of their study was the effect of tournament fishing on the
spawn.  One would conclude from their results that you won't damage
the fishery if you exercise care in handling the fish and release them
where and when you catch them.

Steve
From: miller@lsil.com (Lance Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Canoe Transportation
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:47:53 GMT
Reply-To: miller@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

I need information on purchasing or even constructing something that would enable me to carry my 17 ft. Coleman canoe by myself.  I can load and unload it be myself on my truck but carrying it much distance at all is too much for me to handle.  There are times when I would like to go fishing but can't find a partner to help carry the beast  down to the old-bass-pond.   I once seen a guy wheel his row boat down the the pond on what look like a home-made job, made out of try-cycle wheels strapped to the rear



 of     the boat.										Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Sorry if the post is a repeat but wasn't able to logon to the net for awhile.
From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: re: environmentalists
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:49:39 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr13.173932.11081@unx.sas.com>, sasayb@caneel.unx.sas.com (Andy Barnhart) writes:
|> I have received a few flames and admonitions for posting my previous opinion
|> that recreational fishermen have little impact on fisheries, but none backed
|> The freshwater statement:
|> About a fourth of the fishing population practices selective harvest or catch
|> and release. They are about twice as likely to fish as others, so about half
|> the fishermen days account for few fish kept. Of the fishermen who do keep
|> fish, about a third of the time they fish, they will not catch fish anyway.
|> There is a minority out there which will keep as many as possible and fish
|> as often as possible. The limits help minimize their effect, so I am not
|> suggesting that limits be removed.

There is no doubt (IMO) that population has caused a degredation of 
the environment resulting in reduced fish populations.  There is no 
doubt that commercial fishing, in some instances, has been contributory 
to the demise of fish populations.  I still feel that there are sensetive 
areas (eg. Chesepeak, Ambermarle on east coast) where sport fishing is 
highly concentrated and can have a significant negative impact on fish 
populations.  Locations like this are nurseries and produce most of the 
fish for thousands of miles around.
Is it logical to say that land developers and commercial 
fishermen are irresponsible, so I too am justified in acting irresponsibly?

I know little about salt water fishing, but do have a little experience 
in bass fishing small fresh water lakes (<300 acres).  I have seen 
some small lakes decline under heavy fishing presure.  Most notably, in
 a small 100 acre pond where shore fishing only is allowed the bass size 
declined in 2.5 years from having a significant population of over 4# 
bass to having very few fish over 1.5#.  The bass had plenty of 
unmolested water and shallow flats in the middle, but still sucombed 
to shore pressure (my favorite reservoir is currently under attack by 
throngs of spring time anglers).  Other factors could be responsible for 
the fishing decline, as you say this is only opinion.


-Pat.
From: ses@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Speer)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:00:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing

Native winter run Steelhead in the Pacific NorthWest.  Without a doubt the
scrappiest, most intense fish I've ever sqaured off against (and that includes
all of those found in the lists posted so far).  Channel cats are better
than carp, but both seem like hauling in stumps to me (avg. length at least
30" on either species out of Snake River).  Maybe the smaller ones fight better
or something.  We usually just shot the carp (bow).  I would put grayling
pretty high on the list (probably with trout).

	-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Re: Oregon/Washington fishing trouble??
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:10:18 GMT

Yeah, I have to agree...population growth is the root of all the
problems.  So continue to promote environmentalism, right?  I don't
want to quit hunting and fishing though.  As things get worse, the
next few stages of the game will be: more and more catch&release fishing,
then more and more pay and permit fishing, then more and more lottery 
based permit fishing.  Hunting has gone through those stages already.
fishing will too.  Maybe we can help by volunteering the catch&release
type of fishing..only keeping one once in awhile for tasters.

BD

Ever try to raise a steelhead in a backyard pool???
From: plh@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass Rod Choice
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:18:05 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr8.002757.539@hubcap.clemson.edu>, brcarls@hubcap.clemson.edu (Brian R. Carlson) writes:
|> If you have the possibility of catching a fairly large bass (<4 lb.) I 
|> would go with a stiffer rod  Medium to Medium Heavy action maybe? recommended
|> line around 10-14... You need the heavier action

I disagree, a long fairly soft rod (with plenty of reserve at the butt 
end) is the best rod to fight a large fish with.  You can fish with 
lighter line, and small hooks (like those on a small crankbait). 
The lighter rod will load a few feet and give you a nice cushion.  When 
a bass surges the impulse is not applied directly to the line.  
This is particularly true for heavy crank baits and doubly so for
the rattle trap.  With a heavy outfit you can tear the mouth of the bass 
a little, then during a head shake the lure is thrown.  The softer rod 
can keep even pressure on the fish.  This is why fly-rodders can land 
large fish with light tippets.  Some of the currently most famous professional
bass anglers (crankbait specialists) fish crankbaits with glass rods 
for this reason.  

I will be the first to admit, the fight can be more exciting with a 
stiff graphite rod, you can really feel the fight.  Still, I have had no 
trouble landing bass over 7# using 8# test and a fairly light 
mitchel 300 series rod, in fact I seem to land more fish 
on this outfit than on my spiral graphite crowbar. 

		Just my opinion again...
			
			-Pat.
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: they're overpriced (was: New Fly Reel
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:16:07 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications

Fly reels are over priced.  Hmmm.

Anybody heard of the term "economies of scale".  Fly fishing is still
the execption to the rule.

The same "over pricing" is evident at the top end of all reel types
(except Sidecasts, by definition :-).  Just look at the price of a Penn
eggbeater.  Or for that matter, (locally) the Diawa eggbeater range has a
number of functionally similar products of any given size (eg pm1300,
pms1300, xyz1300), but different build quality.  It comes as no suprise
that the ones that have the lowest life expectancy are the cheapest.
And sell in the greatest numbers.

Just my half-a-prawns worth

Conrad Drake
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From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD )
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Ball weight & velocity
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:11:30 HST
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

In article <1992Apr8.132122.1595@alf.uib.no>, s332@brems.ii.uib.no (Gard Samsonsen) writes:
> I was wondering:
> If you throw a heavy ball and a light ball at the same speed, and             both balls have the same point of impact on the pins, would
> both balls cause about the same number of pins downed?
> I prefer bowling with a light ball, but I can't help feeling that
> it creates less damage when it hits the pins.
> Is this all a psychological thing?
> If not: Should I change to a heavier ball, or increase the speed
> of the lighter one?
> The reason why I prefer a light ball is because I feel it is more
> accurate and controllable.
> 
I think most people agree you should bowl the heaviest ball you can 
comfortably handle.. the heavier the ball, the less deflection, ergo, more 
strikes!

(Of course, this doesn't include the new 'Helicopter' style as seen at the 
Worlds this year... ).
-- 
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                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD )
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Hand Injuries (was: Games per week)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:32:46 HST
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

In article <1992Apr8.162631.22981@ee.rochester.edu>, cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.134040.3100@alf.uib.no> s332@brems.ii.uib.no (Gard Samsonsen) writes:
>>
>>   In my local bowling alley you can either play with a private
>>   ball, or use the balls available there.
>>   Since there must be at least 100 different balls there,
>>   I am sure that one of them fits me.
> 
> Actually, I'd say there's a much much higer probability (very close to certain) that
> none of the balls will fit you.  There are many variables which go into drilling
> a ball for a particular person.  For instance, there is the size of each hole,
> the span from thumb to each hole, and the distance between the finger holes, just
> to name a few that directly relate to "fit".  
> 
> There are two major problems with house balls.  First, they drill the holes
> extremely large so that a wide variety of finger sizes will fit in them.  Having
> a hole too large is the most common cause of skinned fingers/thumbs.  A properly
> fit ball will be snug on the fingers.  This means that the fingers are not 
> sliding around ever so slightly in the holes, and the wear on them is greatly 
> reduced.  To use an analogoy, if your shoes are too loose, that is when you
> scrape the skin off your heel.  Not when they're too tight.  Same goes for
> bowling balls.
> 
> Second, the span for the ring finger should be different than the span for the
> middle finger.  One is shorter than the other.  Therefore, lefthanders and
> righthanders need the spans reversed.  However, alley balls are drilled for
> (n)either by making both spans equal.  That means at best only one of the
> two spans will be correct for you, and you'll be clenching with the other finger.
> 
> So unless you have gigantic fingers with equal spans to middle and ring
> fingers, there is little or no chance of you finding a house ball which will
> fit you, and you will be annoyed by premature finger fatigue, aching knuckles,
> and skinned fingers.
> 
> -Brian
>    cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu

One other thing: you can bowl maybe once a month or less with any old ball,
however ill-fitting, and probably not come to any real harm - you don't
hear of many casual bowlers getting hand injuries!  But if you become a
serious bowler, and are bowling say 6 games per session or maybe 9 to 15
games a week (and many people bowl that and more..) then even a relatively
small problem can soon become a major one.  In this case, the sooner you
put it right, the better, because once you get a sore spot, it tends to
build up into a lump, or a permanent swelling and become self-perpetuating,
even though you might have removed the original cause. 

--
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
From: v224a2ju@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (synchronicity)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: team names...
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:59:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

My sister's team's name is "The Roller Coasters" because they 
go up and down and up and down...

Barbara
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: team names...
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:52:28 GMT

About 8 years ago I was in a scratch league, and my team of five all happened
to be guys, and we all threw pretty good hooks.  Thus I came up with the team
name...

			The Male Hookers

Haven't been able to top that!

Slumping down to 181,

Joe Sosa

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From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD )
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: This is a test
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:14:24 HST
Distribution: usa
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

In article <1992Apr6.115548.8586@ssd.kodak.com>, bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson) writes:
> Greatings,
> 
> I would like to say that I'm glad that there is a bowling news group. It's
> about time. I'm curious about something... Please respondif you have an opinion.
> Over the last decase, Bowling has become less and less popular. Membership in the
> ABC is approaching its lowest level in years. I believe that one reason for this
> is because the ABC and the BPAA (Bowling Proprietor's Assn of America) have been
> involved in a P___ing contest over power to control the game. I think the BPAA
> wants to build bowling up by giving the bowler a better product (i.e. better,
> easier conditions, etc.) The ABC wants to control all aspects of the game and
> rules. As a result, membership has dropped, sanction fees go up. and You and I
> are the big losers. I do see the ABCs point of view, and there are many valid
> arguments on both sides. I  just see the ABCs as a "good-old-boy network" that
> needs change. They even want to control the women (WIBC). The bottom line is that all of this is bad for all of us bowlers. I'm interested in hearing from others on this matter.
> 
> -- 
  If you measure the popularity of Bowling by the membership of the ABC, 
  you might get a different result than if you count the heads entering 
  Bowling establishments.  Perhaps ex-ABC members have tended to "vote with
  their feet" regarding membership, but I bet most still Bowl!  I wonder
  how many unsanctioned Leagues there now are across the US?

  FYI, membership of the BTBA (British Tenpin Bowling Association) is at an
  all-time high, and climbing.. but then, we've not been quite so spoiled  
  here by the erstwhile high scoring lane conditions which you have had, over
  recent years, in the USA. 

-- 
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                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.