HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: COCO vs Z80
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 09:33:50 GMT

Stephen C. Trier (trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu) wrote:
: In article <qV1uqB2w163w@coyote.datalog.com> leonard@coyote.datalog.com (Leonard Lorden) writes:
: 
: Please don't doubt this -- I've been under the covers of everything from
: a 4K D-board CoCo 1 to a 512K CoCo 3, and all had 6809 CPUs.

Ah, yes, the D-board.  Lets see...to go to 64K on that, I had to cut the +12,
-12, and jump the +5 over to one of them, then piggyback another 74LS138 onto
the back of......and run a line to pin 33 of the SAM, etc. etc. etc.  Boy,
those were the days.  Charging $90.00 to do a 64K upgrade, after paying
60 bucks for the chips, out of the back of BYTE.  Now you can buy a few MEG
of ram for $90.00!

Interesting note:  My first coco (C-board, yes, C!  Serial number 112 or
something, as I recall) came with a mil-spec 6809E in it, and the SAM
was a 74LS783 or some such, as opposed to the 6883 label.  It ran a BBS
for over 3 years, without problems, though, despite the many jumpers
(added by Tandy and I).

Ah, those were the days.

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: arm@helix.nih.gov (Andrew Mitz)
Subject: Re: Tilda -- it works.
Followup-To: arm@helix.nih.gov
Summary: <graph><shift><[>
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:44:18 GMT

Thanks to the (correct) responders.  Tilda on the Tandy 200 is 
<graph><shift><[>



-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Mitz          |    NIH Animal Center
Biomedical Engineer  |    Poolesville, MD
-------------------------------------------------

All opinions expressed are my own.
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Re: Tilda
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:07:57 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <0q3oqB1w163w@coyote.datalog.com> leonard@coyote.datalog.com (Leonard Lorden) writes:
>Andrew, assuming that Tandy has a standard code for all their computers, 
>this key combination may produce your tilda.
>   Try pressing <CLEAR><SHIFT><;>   if this key combination doesn't work, 
>look in your owners manual in the ASCII Character Set appendix in the back 
>of the book.  There it should list all the characters producable by your 200 
>and the necessary key combinations to make them.
>    -=> Leonard <=-
I assume that key combination is for either the I/3/4 series or the CoCo.
I don't have one of those or a 200, but I do have a 102 with the original
manuals.  On it, you get a tilde by pressing <GRPH><SHIFT><[>.  It has an
interesting character set, with things like cars, phones and stick figures.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com


Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: cscc1f@menudo.uh.edu (Gregory W Hayes)
Subject: Re: TL/2 Upgrade to 386-40
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:16:43 GMT

In article <92253.093019ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu> ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I am considering upgrading my Tandy 1000 TL/2 to a 386, 40 mgz mother board.
>DCS Industries has a package to do this. Its $489 and includes one meg of ram.
>I've purchased things from them before and they give me Excellent service
>and support. Does anyone know of any other company that sells similar upgrade
>kits at comprable prices?

Andy,

  As an owner of a TL, I'd like to know any specs about the board that
you may know and a phone/address for DCS Industries.  It sure would beat
having to buy a whole new machine.

Thanks,

Greg Hayes
From: dnp3128@hertz.njit.edu (deepak n pandit cis stnt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
Subject: Computer For Sale
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:18:37 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: dnp3128@hertz.njit.edu


For Sale:

         Computer:  286/8Mhz with 40Meg hard drive & 3.5" 720 disk drive
                    Tandy 1000 TL/2

         Monitor:   CGA monitor.
                    Tandy CM-5

         Printer:   Dot matrix printer.
                    Tandy DMP 133

Contact me at dnp3128@hertz.njit.edu for more info on the above.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: tswift@well.sf.ca.us (Theodore John Swift)
Subject: Hard Disk possible for Tandy 1400?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:34:12 GMT


A friend has a Tandy 1400 laptop (two floppies) and would like to attach
a hard disk to it.  Is this possible with a '1400?  If so, how?  At what
price?  Pointers and handles wanted :-).  Reply to e-address below, please.
-- 
----------------------
Ted Swift tswift@well.sf.ca.us or, better yet, Ted_Swift@qm.sri.com
"You bally well are informed, Jeeves!  Do you know everything?"
"I don't know, sir"    ~P.G. Wodehouse
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: fowlerc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (John C. Fowler)
Subject: Re: Model 4 Emulators
Reply-To: fowlerc@boulder.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:30:35 GMT

Another good Model 4 terminal emulator is the Heathkit H19 emulator
that comes with Model 4 Kermit.  If you have a remote system that likes
h19 or vt52 emulation, this is the best I've seen!

-- 
John C. Fowler, fowlerc@boulder.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy
From: leonard@coyote.datalog.com (Leonard Lorden)
Subject: COCO vs Z80
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:34:52 GMT

I stand corrected, my information was purely from hearsay from Radio Shack
dealers, I should have known better eh?  I bow to your greater knowledge
and pay the appropriate hommage (sp?)     [OH EHHEEEEE OH]
From: aurora@uts.amdahl.com (Sunic Aurora)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: What is M ?
Summary: what is M ?
Keywords: M ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:50:24 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I have been using Mentor's for 3 years.
Not Lsim but Quicksim and now am starting to use Quicksim II.
What is "M" ?
( Forgive my ignorance ) sunil
Organization: Valencia University (Universitat de Valencia)   SPAIN
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 17:53:43 EST
From: <PARDO@EVALUN11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: EDIF translator

Hello Mentor lovers, (just kidding, don't pay attentio to this hello)

   I'd like to translate EDIF files to Design Architect Schematics, I know it c
an be doing by Enread but I think it's not availble, do anyone know something
about this program?

   I have another question, is there any other formats I can translate from/to
mentor schematics? May be there is some path between Mentor and EDIF through ot
her formats, any input in this point will be wellcome, thank you.

This is all by the moment. If you have the chance to reply do it to my email ad
dress, I don't use to read netnews more often. The better choice is to send the
 message to both, netnews and me, so everybody can know about this question. If
 you post the reply, mail me also to tell me "You have an interesting post in c
omp.sys.mentor" I don't need nothing else, but if you can mail me the reply to
me will be also good.

Thank you in advance, bye for now!

         FERNANDO PARDO                            ______|..._/
Dto. de Informatica y Electronica                 |..SPAIN  /
     University of Valencia                       | :     */Valencia
            (SPAIN)                               |_:_  __/
email: pardo@vm.ci.uv.es        (Internet)            \/
       pardo@evalun11.bitnet     (bitnet)
From: flash@aragorn.CSEE.Lehigh.Edu (Stephen Corbesero)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: using gdt LED as a polygon pusher
Keywords: technology polygons layers
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:17:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


We have the Mentor GDT tools and wish to use them in our "Introduction
to VLSI Design" course.  Unfortunately, LED is not set up to let
students put individual layers down, instead allowing them to lay down
transistors. While we understand that higher-level design is better
for real-word applications, we want students to understand the
fudnementals of ic design, especially how the layers interact with one
another.

Has anyone modified the technology files to allow LED to become an
old-style polygon pusher? If so, would those technology files be
available?


Thanks in advance.

--
Stephen Corbesero
CSEE Dept, Lehigh University
From: dwork@angelo.amd.com (Jeff Dwork)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: V7 schematics and FrameMaker
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:58:46 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA


We want to include Mentor V7 schematics in documents written with
FrameMaker.  Is there any way to do this other than converting them to
V8?

Thanks,
Jeff
--
Jeff Dwork			|  408-987-2362   |   jeff.dwork@amd.com
Advanced Micro Devices, M/S 45	|---------------------------------------
PO Box 3453			|  The above opionions are mine,
Sunnyvale, Ca 94088		|  not AMD's.
From: hepler@rastaban.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Hepler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Re: What is M ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:17:19 GMT
Reply-To: hepler@rastaban.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Hepler)
Distribution: world
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: M ?

M is the behavioral language for the Lsim simulator.  Lsim is the simulator
which started as part of the GDT toolset, from Silicon Design Labs (SDL).
SDL merged with Silicon Compilers Inc (SCI) to become Silicon Compiler 
Systems (SCS).  SCS was purchased by Mentor.  Lsim is a mixed level
(behavioral, gate, switch, RC switch, adept), extensible (HSPICE, etc. may
be accessed through Lsim...) simulator.  To call it a logic simulator
would limit its flexibility...  

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: cdc8752@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.D. Carline )
Subject: Re: Annotating/modifying trace plots
Originator: cdc8752@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:35:59 GMT

In article <2237@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> Frank.Emnett@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM writes:
>Has anyone discovered a way to do the following (in either V7 or V8.x):
>
>1) Annotate a trace (waveform) plot with textual data (to describe the
>   events occurring at that time, or
>
>2) Overlay best and worst case traces on one plot (placing traces from
>   the same signal directly on top of one another).
>

	PICED will allow you to do what you want, however it is being
	discontinued.


	Chuck

-- 
Chuck Carline				cdc8752@ultb.ics.rit.edu
Computer Engineering
Rochester Institute of Technology
From: mitchell@dvorak.amd.com (Tom Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Re: Annotating/modifying trace plots
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:19:23 GMT
Reply-To: mitchell@dvorak.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Device Comm. Products Div

In article <2237@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM>,
emnett@nike.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Frank Emnett) writes:
|> Has anyone discovered a way to do the following (in either V7 or V8.x):
|> 
|> 1) Annotate a trace (waveform) plot with textual data (to describe the
|>    events occurring at that time, or
|> 
|> 2) Overlay best and worst case traces on one plot (placing traces from
|>    the same signal directly on top of one another).
|> 
|> Any help will be most appreciated...
|> --
|> Frank Emnett (Frank.Emnett@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM)       Phone: (719)
596-5795 x-343
|> NCR Microelectronic Products Division

I assume you are talking about digital traces, since overlaying traces in the
 CHARTing tool is not only easy, it can be hard to avoid.

I don't know how to do it in V8, but in V7, you can annotate waveforms pretty
 easily in NETED, of all places.  Use PLOT TRACES in RSIM to create a picture
 file of the traces of interest.  Then go into NETED and use VIEW
PICTURE to look
 at the traces.  Zoom way out and select the traces in the viewed
picture.  Then
 copy the selected traces onto the NETED sheet.  If you use ^F3, you can
 position the traces easily.  Then use comment text and lines to annotate.  It
 works pretty well.  You can even use the comment rescaling options to scale
 the traces differently in the horizontal and vertical.  I haven't tried
 overlapping traces,  but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Another neat trick is to VIEW PICTURE of CHIPGRAPH mask data and copy it onto a
 Neted schematic, next to the circuit diagrams and the timing waveforms.  
Makes for nice standard cell documentation.

The size of the VIEWed PICture window and the zoom is related to the size of
the picture data when it is copied to the NETED page.  You may need to
experiment
to get it just right.  Also, I seem to recall some funny messages during 
selection or copy, but things looked and printed okay anyhow.

Of course, this is all probably 'fixed' in version 8.x.


Tom Mitchell (512) 462-5951    email: mitchell@amdcad.amd.com
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.   Austin, Texas
From: aurora@uts.amdahl.com (Sunic Aurora)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Saving TEXT from Bold Browser to a FILE
Summary: Saving text from bold browser
Keywords: TEXT from BOLD BROWSER
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:15:23 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Is there a way to extract and save text from "Bold browser ".
It is not always possible to get hardcopy on the plotter. ( My plotter
 is pretty slow ); and often the text is sufficient to refresh what you
have read interactively.
sunil
From: hepler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ed Hepler - LSI Design)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: M as a behavioral description language
Keywords: M VHDL Verilog
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:05:49 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

As an Lsim user in the workplace and as an adjunct professor who teaches
Computer Architecture and VLSI Design using Lsim, I would be interested in
hearing other peoples' comments about M as an HDL.  

I have looked at VHDL and Verilog and have concluded that M is much better
for my needs.  M is very easy to teach to students with C backgrounds (a 
requirement for the course(s) I teach) versus VHDL which looks more like
ADA. M also provides a clearer model (in my opinion) than Verilog.

The thing that puzzles me is that I very seldom hear M mentioned  when
HDL's are discussed.  I know that there are mandated reasons why some companies
use VHDL, but I see very little in the trade press or in Mentor advertising
which touts M's abilities or strengths.

Am I looking in the wrong place or reading the wrong journals?

Does Mentor need to release the M language as a "standard" (as the Verilog
language has been) for it to gain attention?

Ed Hepler
Commodore
hepler@cbmvax.cbm.com

These are my opinions, not those of my employer.
From: emnett@nike.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Frank Emnett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Annotating/modifying trace plots
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:43:32 GMT
Reply-To: Frank.Emnett@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division, Colorado Springs, CO

Has anyone discovered a way to do the following (in either V7 or V8.x):

1) Annotate a trace (waveform) plot with textual data (to describe the
   events occurring at that time, or

2) Overlay best and worst case traces on one plot (placing traces from
   the same signal directly on top of one another).

Any help will be most appreciated...
--
Frank Emnett (Frank.Emnett@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM)       Phone: (719) 596-5795 x-343
NCR Microelectronic Products Division              Fax: (719) 597-8225 
1635 Aeroplaza Dr.                                 VoicePlus: 463-0343
Colorado Springs, CO 80916
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Re: Annotating/modifying trace plots
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:35:09 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <2237@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> Frank.Emnett@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM writes:
>Has anyone discovered a way to do the following (in either V7 or V8.x):
>
>1) Annotate a trace (waveform) plot with textual data (to describe the
>   events occurring at that time, or

In version 7, you can do limited text overlay.  There is a place for title
text.  Once you have a chart, you can use the 'chart title'  command to add a
line on the top of the chart.  Unfortunately, free flow text is unavailable
on version 7 so it may be hard to do what you need.  I was told free flow
text is available in version 8 now.

>2) Overlay best and worst case traces on one plot (placing traces from
>   the same signal directly on top of one another).

It can be done but you need to write a little macro (under version 7).  The
standard plot command in version 7 (I assume you use MSPICE or AccuSim)
overwrite a trace if the signal name is the same.  What you can do is to
modify the default plot macro (/idea/sys/hi/macro/mspice/add_to_graph_v) to
use a different curve name for worse case and best case.  For example:

define curve ^('V(' & SIG & 'worse)') ^$V(SIG) ^SAMPLE_POINTS


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: abair@parsons.sps.mot.com (Alan Bair)
Subject: Re: What is M ?
Organization: AMCU, Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:36:30 GMT

In article <102203Am7d0g00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> aurora@uts.amdahl.com (Sunic Aurora) writes:

   I have been using Mentor's for 3 years.
   Not Lsim but Quicksim and now am starting to use Quicksim II.
   What is "M" ?
   ( Forgive my ignorance ) sunil

M is the High Level Modeling language for Lsim. It is basicly the C language
with extra contructs added to support simulation.
--
Alan Bair             		AMCU DSCS
Motorola, Inc.            	    (Design Software &
Mail Stop OE-320		     Computer Services)
6501 William Cannon Dr. West	
Austin, TX  78735-8598          abair@parsons.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: rocco@ll.mit.edu (A. Gregory Rocco Jr.)
Subject: Mentor User's Group Library
Originator: rocco@ll.mit.edu (A. Gregory Rocco Jr.)
Keywords: MUG, Library
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab; Lexington Ma USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 13:16:03 GMT


Eddie Brown has been having some trouble posting news so I am posting
this for him.

Greg Rocco
rocco@ll.mit.edu
Chairman Mentor User's Group


		     Mentor User's Group Library

The Mentor User's Group Library is now stored on the host,
Cheers.ERC.MsState.Edu [130.18.80.27]. It can be accessed via
anonymous FTP from the Internet. All files are stored in the directory
/mug which is then subdivided into applications and other categories.

In the past, the library was maintained on cartridge tape. Submission
to and copying of the library was done at the MUG meeting. Because of
the widespread availability of the Internet, the FTP site will now be
the location for all submissions and for retrieving files. This should
make it easier for people to use and will allow quicker availablility
of new submissions. If your site does not have access to the Internet,
you can probably obtain copies from some other site nearby. Tapes can
be made on a limited and pre-arranged basis.

If you were planning on making a submission at the MUG meeting, please
go ahead and FTP it to the library. All new submissions should be
placed in /incoming and they will then be moved to the correct
directory. When you place a file in the incoming directory, please
send me an email message describing your submission. I will maintain
an index in /mug/Index which will list all the files in the library
along with the description provided by the submitter. Right now, we
are trying to get a copy of last year's library online so the library
is pretty barren. The MUG library accepts all public domain materials
relevant to Mentor Graphics tools.


If you have any problems or questions, please send me email!


Eddie Brown
MUG Librarian
eddieb@erc.msstate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: dematnw1@jhuapl.edu (Nick DeMatt)
Subject: re: EDIF translator
Reply-To: dematnw1@jhuapl.edu (Nick DeMatt)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:09:34 GMT

----------------------
In article <92255.175343PARDO@EVALUN11.BITNET>  writes:
>Hello Mentor lovers, (just kidding, don't pay attentio to this hello)
>
>   I'd like to translate EDIF files to Design Architect Schematics, I know it c
>an be doing by Enread but I think it's not availble, do anyone know something
>about this program?
>
>   I have another question, is there any other formats I can translate from/to
>mentor schematics? May be there is some path between Mentor and EDIF through ot
>her formats, any input in this point will be wellcome, thank you.
>
>This is all by the moment. If you have the chance to reply do it to my email ad
>dress, I don't use to read netnews more often. The better choice is to send the
> message to both, netnews and me, so everybody can know about this question. If
> you post the reply, mail me also to tell me "You have an interesting post in c
>omp.sys.mentor" I don't need nothing else, but if you can mail me the reply to
>me will be also good.
>
>Thank you in advance, bye for now!
>email: pardo@vm.ci.uv.es        (Internet)            \/
>       pardo@evalun11.bitnet     (bitnet)


By formats I assume you mean other standards like EDIF.  I can not help you much
there.  However I do know of a product that will take OrCAD/SDT III or IV 
schematics and port them to NETED or DA.


----------------------
Nick DeMatt
nick_dematt@jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cdc
From: lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay)
Subject: CDC Plato terminal technical manual?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:03:45 GMT

I have this CDC Plato terminal that seems to work ok (1200 baud max
baudrate...sigh)

I would like to be able to program it, either using control sequences
to draw graphics, or if it has a programmable cpu I might want to 
try playing with that also...

Anyways, does anyone have a reference manual for one of these things,
or does anyone know the Info i need to order one from CDC publications?

-Lawrence (NOS is dead. Long live NOS/VE) LeMay
 lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.editors
From: bell@teal.csn.org (Bell Scott)
Subject: Re: good vi editor for the mac
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:50:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.221526.10841@uc.msc.edu> fink@Think.COM (Paul Fink) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.192444.24921@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu>, pollard@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Tom Pollard) writes:
>|> In article <lawton.715610572@armand> lawton@armand.RADC.AF.MIL (James Lawton) writes:
>|> >>I want a good vi . . . for the mac.
>|> >
>|> >Isn't this a contradiction in terms? ;-)
>|> 
>|> No it isn't, you hopeless dweebs.  There are a lot of things that are much
>|> easier to do in a good mainframe editor, like vi and especially emacs, than
>|> in a standard Mac 'word processor'.
>|> 
>|> Tom
>
>  "a good mainframe editor" ? My how times have changed.
>

	To Tom:  Just what can't you do in MSWord 5.0 that you can do in emacs?

Scott R. Bell

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: mtc@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael Trevor CUTTER)
Subject: Re: X-Window???
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:09:34 GMT

thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:

>I have written a program that uses the X-Window interface and need to port it
>to a Mac.  I have no experience with Hypercard.  My question is, "Is there a
>version of X-Window for the Mac, and if so, where does one aquire it?"

Try MacX, published by Apple as far as I know. It only works as a client, 
I think it is...you still need an actual X Station.

-- 
Michael Cutter                        email: mtc@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au
Ictinus Network Development Team             mtc@vitruvius.arbld.unimelb.edu.au
BCAT Development Team                 snail: 3 Barton Street
Department of Architecture & Building        Hawthorn, VIC, 3122 
University of Melbourne, Australia           AUSTRALIA
Sort of 3rd Year Computer Scientist   phail: 61-3-853 9717
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted