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From: timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 specifications, release date.
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:37:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <3500@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:
>Here the official specs of OS/2 2.1 directly from IBM:
>
>- more printer drivers
>- Windows 3.1 support
>- native Windows 3.1 performance with 8Mb RAM machines
>- improved performance for low memory configurations
>- 32bit graphics engine
>- multimedia support
>- portable PC support
>- CD-ROM version
>
>[please notice the Win31 performance and the MultiMedia, thanx IBM!]
>
>OS/2 2.1 will be released end february, begin march 1993.
>
>Nico E. de Vries  (nevries@cc.ruu.nl) |------------------*   AA   III  PPP

Thanks for the information, but I've got an important question.  In the
December 14 PC WEEK, it's reported that "...In addition, the upgrade
will run 386 enhanced-mode applications for the first time..."  I would
think that this is significant enough to make the official specs
list, wouldn't you?  Anyway, could we please get a confirmation on this
one way or the other?  Thanks.

By the way, the PC WEEK article also suggests that OS/2 2.1 will be
released next month (January).

      - Mike
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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 CSD dutch version available NOW!
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:35:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

Available NOW on IBM BBS the Netherlands the Dutch CSD. Phone number
020-6462981.

From 23 december the Dutch CSD is also available from IBM dealers
for fl 75,-.

Please notice there are also patches to perform after installing the CSD
(some HPFS problems I believe).

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To get (many) ==> LOSSLESS DATA COMPRESSION SOURCES <== get lds_10.zip at 
garbo.uwasa.fi /pc/programming. Make files for Borland C are included. 
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From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: A look at 1992....Continued.
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:05:45 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Subject: Re: \* IBM's OS/2 2.0 Scores Big \*
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.101031.9922@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.222751.22817@fcom.cc.utah.edu> brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
>> 
>> >	Available sometime in the future
>> 
>> 	First half of '93.
>
>In the Dec 8th PC Mag, John Dvorak says he doesn't expect to see NT before
>August '93......after speaking to some MS people at Redmond.....who are not
>named, of course.

Not that I'm anybody who's in the know or anything, but I would be that NT
won't be commercial until Fall Comdex, 1993.  Not "summer".  But that's just
a guess.  A guess that I'm willing to bet a "six-pack" on... :)

Jeff

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From: ekl@kvamdata.no (Eirik Lygre)
Subject: Re: who is brian sturgill - really?
Organization: Kvam data as
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:08:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.172701.2089@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> pendrith@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Pendrith) writes:
>i am coming to suspect that "brian" isn't a real person at all, but a 
>synthetic product of the MS MarketDroid (TM) artificial intelligence unit 
>(with the emphasis on "artificial")

It is my sincere belief that we really do not need this sort of
"advocacy". This group is filled with flames -- but most of the
time they relate to some discussed subject. But this one is not
needed.

Eirik
From: gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Paul Wagland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Here's some Advocacy for you.
Date: 13 Dec 1992 03:59:36 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:

>In article <1992Dec12.094334.21925@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) (OS/2) writes:
> [ some stuff about memory requirements being reasonably irrelavent deleted ]
>	Can't anyone out there make a better argument than formatting
>	floppies (stupid) or 1/4th greater memory requirements?  

OK, how about cost? A person I know who went to the NT developers
conference told me that MS was saying that the single user version of NT
will be <$800, whil the full version would be <$1000.

Generally that means $799.95 and $999.95 :)
but even being generous, and saying the cut-down version will only cost
me $500, that is still two and a half times as much as OS/2. And too me,
who has no need of networking, security features and all the rest
of the jazz, it isn't worth the cost.  If I neeeded it, then maybe it
would., _MAYBE_, but at the moment I'll let Brian have it....


>-- 
> Snout: O Bottom, thou art chang'd!  What do I see on thee?          
> Bottom: What do you see?  You see an ass-head of your own, do you?  
> ---"I despise mystics, they fancy themselves so deep, when they----
> ----aren't even superficial"    --Nietzsche   ---------------------
-- 
Paul Wagland            | These opinions are mine and no-one elses
gupw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au   | Bingy Bingy Bingy Frogs Go round and round
------------------------+     -- Another silly quote from me  :-)
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Controversial Topics
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:43:42 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Dec14.172731.8286@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:

>In article <1992Dec14.131606.4931@kvamdata.no> ekl@kvamdata.no (Eirik Lygre) writes:

>	Just like the energizer--keeps going ang going ang going...


>>Your underline definately helps. Now try reading your sentece again and
>>see if the underline helps.
>>
>>>>>	...      OS/2 2.0 has *never* been 
>>>>>	demoed on SMP anything, and neither has OS/2MACH.
>>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>My comment was directed at that second part, and not the first one.

>	Lesson for the day.

 [Wandering rhetoric deleted.]

Lesson for the day:  Spend less time criticizing the grammar of others
and take a few grammar lessons yourself.

>	Do we have to continue, or are you going to accept that you
>	quoted out of context and then made a wholly irrelavent comment
>	along the lines of, "Someone saw bills car" (no reference to color)?

Perhaps the problem is that you spoke out of context?  

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From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: Re: Rude behavior on this group.
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:47:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Distribution:  world,local

In article <1992Dec15.183951.23430@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.054239.12858@microsoft.com> richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec14.213730.28787@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>>[S]ome of us have taken more than a few
>>>Economics courses.

>>Good.  Let's see how much you remember.

>More than you've taken, I guess.

You guess wrong.

>>I was responding to the notion that "the cost gets passed along to the
>>buyer."

>So it is your position that vendors will sell at a loss indefinitely
>instead of passing along costs to their customers?

You just flunked Economics.  It is my position that demand must be such
that vendors will be able to sell at a price which exceeds the additional
costs.  It is demand which makes the whole thing possible in the first
place.

>>As for whether or not Windows pre-installed can be considered a "freebie",
>>that depends upon one's point of view.  If you want it, it's considerably
>>cheaper to buy a system with Windows pre-installed than it is to buy a
>>system without Windows, buy Windows seperately and install the software
>>yourself.  For a number of people, this is very much a "freebie".

>Not at all.  It's simply allowing them to buy in at a greatly reduced
>price due to volume at their reseller.  This is not 'free',

No kidding this is not 'free'.  I get what I want with less hassle and,
probably, for less money.  Not only is this not 'free', but, in terms of
opportunity costs, it's money in my pocket.

>and part
>of those costs are born by people who didn't want it in the first
>place and have to take it.

Presumably people who don't want a machine bundled with Windows can ask for
a machine without Windows and get a machine without Windows.  So what's the
problem?


-- 
Rick Schaut
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Microsoft doesn't speak for me, and I don't speak for Microsoft.
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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: Rude behavior on this group.
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:08:32 GMT

In article <8167@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.234708.18159@microsoft.com> richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
>>Presumably people who don't want a machine bundled with Windows can ask for
>>a machine without Windows and get a machine without Windows.  So what's the
>>problem?
>
>The problem is that there are manufacturers out there who will not sell you a
>machine without Windows. Those manufacturers claim that they are prohibited by
>the terms of their licensing agreement with MS from selling a machine without
>Windows. Those manufacturers will not sell me a machine unless they change
>their minds. 
>-- 
>Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can

Well, IBM won't sell you some of their newer machines without OS/2
preinstalled.  I asked quite specifically if I could purchase their
systems without OS/2 and get a rebate.  No, they don't do that.  If I
want one of the advertised, OS/2-based systems without OS/2, I have to
reformat the hard drive myself and install DOS and Windows.  Now, beyond
the fact that IBM won't sell me any of their thusly equipped system
until they change their minds, I really don't mind. There are plenty of
other perfectly good (or better) machines out there and I can get them
configured as I wish.  OTOH, I don't mind IBM trying to push OS/2 (if
they ever get it right, I may try it again), since their future seems
more dependent upon it now than it did just a few days ago (and who can
blame them for wanting to make a dent in the market?).

The point is that manufacturers are going to do what's in their own best
interest and all we can hope for is that the competition yields for us
something we actually want.  

jmalloy@hamilton.edu 



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From: kristine@cats.ucsc.edu (Kristine Mei Lan Ing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 specifications, release date.
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:07:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


jdickins@mcs213i.cs.umr.edu (James Dickinson) writes:


>What about 32-bit 8514/A Drivers?
 
Latest I heard was 8514/a 32 bit seemless <soon> AFTER 2.1...
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: rommel@jonas.gold.sub.org (Kai Uwe Rommel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Survivability
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:27:58 GMT
Organization: Private

In article <1992Dec12.192555.31998@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden) writes:
>Part of the guage I use to determine the viability of an OS is by the
>amount of software available for it.  Today, you can walk in to any
>computer store and find a specific Windows software section.  There are
>hundreds of Win shareware programs available via mail-order or the net. 
>In thsi sense, Windows is a success.
>
>This is after roughly two years of availability.
>
>Now, I in turn look at OS/2.  Right now, there is no OS/2 software section
>at my computer story.  In addition, there are far far fewer OS/2 FTP sites
>on the net and far far fewer OS/2 shareware programs available than
>Windows programs.
>
>Now, I know this isn't a good measure of how good an OS is, but is parts
>of the measure I use and I suspect part of the measure that many other
>people use, how much FREE/CHEAP software is available for that OS (now
>lets not argue that OS/2 can run all DOS and Windows programs, that isn't
>the point of this post).

The difference is, for OS/2 there are much more of the LARGE
shareware/freeware apps available, such as GNU Emacs, gcc, gdb and a
lot of other GNU stuff (groff, perl, awk come to mind etc.).

None of them are available as Windows versions, because they seriously
need an OS with unlimited (well ...) memory and can make good use of
a 32-bit OS.

Of course, all of them can be ported to NT as well.

About FTP sites, there is one *major* (I'm talking about THE site)
site for Windows abbs (cica.cica.indiana.edu) and one *major* OS/2
site (ftp-os2.nmsu.edu) with many mirrors to both and also many other
sites with a smaller amount of additional software. Alone in Germany I
know of at least three or four sites which have mirrors of ftp-os2 *as
well* as local stuff too. I don't know how the size of cica and
ftp-os2 contents compare. The last time a cica CD-ROM has been made by
Walnut Creek CD-ROM, it was less in size than the very out of date
OS/2 archive CD-ROM from the same company, which has grown amazingly
since it was last recorded on CD-ROM (a new OS/2 CD-ROM is on the way,
from what I have heard).

Kai Uwe Rommel

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/* Kai Uwe Rommel                                      Muenchen, Germany *
 * rommel@jonas.gold.sub.org                       Phone +49 89 723 4101 *
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DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: spexet@math.lsa.umich.edu (D. Robert Spexet II)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re:  More Controversial Topics
Date: 13 Dec 1992 15:12:07 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
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In article <Joe.007r@twistor.dialix.oz.au> Joe@twistor.dialix.oz.au (Joe Katnic) writes:
>   I also didn't mention that the PS/2 295 has a minimum price
>   tag of $12,000 AUS. It looks like a small AS/400. Just something
>   that every user is going to have on their desktop!
>
>   You stated that OS/2 does not TODAY support S-M-P. I proved
>   it does. Not everyone is going to want S-M-P. Currently the
>   version of OS/2 that can to S-M-P is used for a MASSIVE server.
>   We are talking alots of GBytes disk space. 

Actually, to be fair to the argument, I do not believe that the Model 295
is an SMP machine.  My understanding is that it uses asymmetric multi-
processing, rather than a symmetric multiprocessing scheme.

>Joe Katnic  Perth, Western Australia  Joe@twistor.DIALix.oz.au      _--_|\ 
>                                   (ALT: jkatnic@DIALiz.oz.au)     /      \
>"A search for the ultimate              Phone: (+619) 474 3939 --->\_.--._/
> mathematical reality inevitably                                         v 
> creates fairy tales, not science".. E.J. Lerner.


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From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) (OS/2)
Subject: Re: Rude behavior on this group.
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.234708.18159@microsoft.com> richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
>
>You just flunked Economics.  It is my position that demand must be such
>that vendors will be able to sell at a price which exceeds the additional
>costs.  It is demand which makes the whole thing possible in the first
>place.

I demand to buy a computer without DOS or Windows pre-installed.

>No kidding this is not 'free'.  I get what I want with less hassle and,
>probably, for less money.  Not only is this not 'free', but, in terms of
>opportunity costs, it's money in my pocket.

I bought a computer, but it had DOS and Windows pre-installed.  Instead
of being able to get a faster processor, or a larger hard drive (I need
the disk space, too many .gifs!) I had to spend that money on the "free"
DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1!!!  Sure, its great for people who want DOS and
Windows, but I am forced to subsidize these people instead of buying
more hardware from the computer seller (components are much cheaper when
you by them with the computer).  Take some that money in your pocket and
give it to me...

>Presumably people who don't want a machine bundled with Windows can ask for
>a machine without Windows and get a machine without Windows.  So what's the
>problem?

!!!!!

If a computer maker would give a hefty discount on Windows (or OS/2) only for
customers who asked for it, and install it for them, no problem here.  But
that is not the case!  I called different computer sellers to get a machine
(for my copy of OS/2 2.0) and they would not sell me a computer without
Windows 3.1 and DOS 5.0.  Give me a good reason why I would need Win and DOS
when OS/2 2.0 run my apps.  Give me a good reason why computer sellers will
not sell computers without Win and DOS.

P.S.  Did you ever buy a PC?  I remember an MS guy posting "lessons in
      economics" in June or July, but he was a *Mac* programmer at MS.
      If that person is you:  try to ask computer companies such as, say,
      Radio Shack, or CompuAdd Express, if they will sell you a computer
      without DOS and Windows.  They respond with something like "Sorry,
      we can't do that".  Even if that was not you, see what happens when
      you call or visit.



>Rick Schaut

I'm 51% sure you're that Mac guy... (well, 50.1%...)

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From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: Re: ATI support of OS/2
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:19:04 GMT

tedc@cs.ubc.ca (Ted Chen) writes:

>Releasing 32-bit Mach32 drivers for NT, before those for OS/2 2.0 REALLY REALLY

The salesman at Comdex may have not been well informed, but I was told that
ATI is doing *ZIP* about ultra pro drivers for os/2 2.0, but only distributing
IBM written code. They were showing it off right next to their brand new (ATI 
written) NT driver.

                                          [sam]

(ok, so their jerks --- but would you like to tell me ONE, JUST ONE, display
-- 
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From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Subject: Re: What about OS/2 2.1?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:51:24 GMT

In article <pathak-161292103700@virtual.mitre.org> pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if IBM has the rights to Windows for Workgroups?  MS had
>stated that IBM would never have Windows for Workgroups since it *required*
>enchanced mode.  If IBM has solved the enchanced mode problem and has the
>right to that code, maybe a Windows for Workgroups compatible version of
>OS/2 won't be far behind???
>

Why?..... PC Week reported that Windows for Workgroups was selling
very poorly.



-- 
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"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." Oscar Wilde
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Win bigots wait for NT...and wait..and wait
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.124657.18326@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.054415.13627@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> >Every registered OS/2 user in New Zealand received a letter about the Service
> >Pack about 2 weeks ago. 
> 
> 	Interesting then, isn't it, that no on in the US that I 
> 	know has.

Well, to be fair...there may only be 4,000 OS/2 users in NZ (pop. 3.5
million).
 
In the US, you would have the vast bulk of the 2 million copies. That's one
hell of a lot of letters and stamps.....:-)
 
Steve
-- 
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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            | looks like we may get a more  
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | democratic system "real soon now".
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Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:27:14 -0800
From: George_Marengo@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Here's some Advocacy
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>conference told me that MS was saying that the single user version of
NT
>will be <$800, whil the full version would be <$1000.


Yam> I think you're confused.  MS has said repeatedly that the
Yam> price of NT would be "under $500".  I think maybe your friend
Yam> is thinking of some sort of developer version.

 Dwayne Walker of MS in Datamation a few months back said that the
end user version of NT would be "under $500", however, he also said
that
the server version would be "under $1000". Maybe MS has changed their 
stance since then, but at least at one point in time they did mention
two version and two price tags.
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From: furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: PDK expiration notice
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:18:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec15.021829.21048
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.203127.70767@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> sjb5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STACY JOHN BEHRENS) writes:
>Just so everyone knows, if you have the origional OS/2 PDK, the code expires
>*tomarrow*  (Dec.15)  Your license is no longer valid and you must get the new
>version (november '92 version)
>
>-- 
>Stacy John Behrens
>*===)-------------

Does that mean my CD-ROM will turn into a pumpkin at midnight ?
:):)


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