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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: 19 September referendum
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 23:29:45 GMT
Organization: School of Maths & Info. Sci., Massey University, Palmerston North, NZ

In article <1992Sep3.144813.635@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> paul@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>From article <BtxH4p.Lo4@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, by Michael.Norrish@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Norrish):
[stuff deleted]
>I see a couple of major disadvantages of STV:
>
>- voting is much more complicated.
>
>- it isn't a form of PR as far as I can work out (that is there is
>no guarantee that the number of seats a party has is in proportion
>to the number of votes it gets).
 it originally seemed to me that MMP was the best, but with a second look I noticed that on eof the systems will make it a lot easier for people who have considerable local support but no arty backing to get a seat. In jMMP minor parties can get no seats from the original voting and then pick up a few from the poarty lists, but if a canditate has no party they have little chance of gettting a seat.  The system that had multiple MP's from each electorate seemed to give a better chance for small people. But 




I suppose if I want any system at all I should vote for MMP, it seems to be the only one with a chance.

ps I hate EMACs and I am too incompetent to get my news reader to accept another editor, so please ignore all mistakes etc (except for the ideas, which I accept all blame for)
From: john@pyrmania.pyramid.com.au (John Sims)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:19:50 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Perth, Western Australia

>> In article <HGORK.92Sep4125336@zenon.iesd.auc.dk>, hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitt
>> > 
>> > 	- What are the most interesting and/or best foods (dishes),
>> > 	  beer, wine, and other things to eat or drink? (I known the
>> > 	  fruits (kiwi, tamarillo,...) and I know pavlova, of course.:-)
                                                  ^^^^^^^

I realise I'm in danger of
a) starting a flame war (undesirable)
b) being told to get a life (probably accurate)

but.....
Can we get this straight ? (please)

(Chest swelled out with pride :-)
The Pavlova was created here in Perth, by Bert Sachse, at the Esplanade Hotel,
in 1935, a story I will stick to unless someone can provide specific details
to the contrary (ie not just "it was created by Mrs Pavlova, a migrant to NZ").

I have had numerous rows with unpleasant kiwis about this, and several
discussions with wonderful kiwis, and none of them has come up with specific
details of its "NZ origin".

I am willing to be convinced if someone can come up with the details. Honest.
(BTW I'm posting this on behalf of my wife - she is the pav devotee in the
house, they're too damn sweet for me... :-(

John.

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From: hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:12:26 GMT
	<1992Sep8.115736.10676@waikato.ac.nz>
	<1992Sep9.231719.10723@waikato.ac.nz>
Reply-To: hosking@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
In-reply-to: hamish@waikato.ac.nz's message of 9 Sep 92 11:17:19 GMT


In article <1992Sep8.115736.10676@waikato.ac.nz>, amorgan@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>Or tararuas, Or over the central Mountains (NI. that is. Ruapaheu (Still has
							  ^^^^^^^^
							  Ruapehu
>snow on top in mid-summer), Tongarario, and Ngaurahaue, 2 (Or 3) active
			     ^^^^^^^^^^	     ^^^^^^^^^^
			     Tongariro	     Ngaruahoe (I think)
>volcanoes in the central NI).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:13:41 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

rjm@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Raymond Moss) writes:

>> How can any collection of 'interesting' foods of New Zealand not mention
>> the infamous 'palonie' (spelling?) 8<).
>Question - what's a 'palonie'??

polony - Big brother of the saveloy (which are called 'little boys' by Poms)

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From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:48:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Computer disc man in mysterious death after SIS visit
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 18:19:51 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

An Auckland computer broker who bought some excess computer equipment
from Citibank has mysteriously died in a car accident over the weekend.
With the computer equipment Citibank had inadvertantly included around
90 computer discs containing confidential client information (and
according to television news, evidence of corruption).

Paul Gordon Edward White, 26, died in a horrific car smash early on
Saturday, apparently after celebrating settlement with Citibank over
ownership of confidential bank data on computer discs he found in
surplus office gear.

Citibank paid White $16,000 in an out of court settlement for the return
of the discs.  White celebrated the settlement in the Centra Hotel in
Auckland where he counted out $10,000 (he had insisted being paid in
cash) of the money in front of hotel staff.  He died several hours after
this when his car hit a concrete pillar on the Auckland Harbour Bridge
approach. What happened between when he left the hotel and the accident
is unknown.  The suitcase was found in the wreck with all of the money
missing.

The plot thickens ...
On the TV news tonight it was reported that White had received death
threats and his apartment had been broken into several times before his
death.

New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS -- NZ equivalent of the
CIA) had visited and interviewed him before his death.

He had also met twice with a politician, Winston Peters, to discuss the
contents of the discs -- though he was too afraid to discuss the matter
in his apartment for fear of it being bugged.

The discs were reported (TV3 news) to contain evidence of:
 * money laundering and corruption
 * big business links with government

White has apparently hidden copies of the discs -- the location of these
discs is unknown.
From: Chris Tobin@bradford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:50:44 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: s3801@muser

hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>In article <ow2RqB3w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz>, Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:

>> nectar of the gods.

>Add Steinlager to the list... 

I know, we got Steinlager here in the UK!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: new zealand vacations
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:23:01 +1200
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <mD3RqB5w165w@sideways.welly.gen.nz>, Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:

>> Christchurch is a city, thank you. 
> 
> City? Phoohey. It might call itself a city but it feels like a little 
> town.

And you live in Lower Hutt? Is that a city or a town?

>  
> BTW: I love it either way.

Good - I'm glad to hear that.
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From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: REAL NEWS!
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Is there anyone out in NZ "net-land" who can post real news from NZ to all
of us around the world?  The Earth anxiously awaits...

Living without boundaries,
The Vision
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Computer disc man in mysterious death after SIS visit
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 23:11:57 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

Radio NZ tonight:
  Police Minister John Banks has asked police in Auckland to investigate
  allegations a computer broker was killed because of information he
  acquired from bank computer discs.  Mr White, a computer broker,
  inadvertantly acquired the discs when he bought surplus office
  equipment from Citibank who then took him to court to try and get
  the discs back.  He received a large cash payment from the bank in
  an out of court settlement on Friday but died after a car smash early
  on Saturday morning.

  The money is missing and Radio New Zealand News has been told tonight
  the discs contained information about payments to MPs overseas bank
  accounts.  John Banks says the allegations raise serious questions and
  he's asked the police to give them priority investigation.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: All Black's Haka
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:07:27 EDT

 
Kia ora,
        Can someone e-mail or post the All Black's Haka please? It is the
one that goes, "Ka mate, Ka mate" . I cannot recall how the rest of the
haka goes. Thanks.
 
        Gerald Cheang
        e-mail : cheang@stat.yale.edu
From: anw@st-andrews.ac.uk (Andrew Nicholas Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: e-mail to Westpac, wellington.
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:14:02 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.new-zealand
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

I'd like to get in e-mail contact with a friend who is working at the
main office of the Westpac Bank in Wellington. If anyone knows the
postmaster's address at Westpac, or can tell me how to find it out
I'd like to know.

Replies can be posted here if of general interest, or mailed direct
to me. Thanks.

Andy.

andy@cs.st-and.ac.uk
From: hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:24:11 GMT
	<2AAFA8ED.43FA@deneva.sdd.trw.com>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> On 10 Sep 92 19:58:37 GMT, hart@donald (James A. Hart) said:
: 
James> : >Awful Beer? You have no taste!
James> : >Add Steinlager to the list... 
James> : 
James> : Well, I agreed wholeheartedly with your previous endorsement of Waikato, but
James> : Steinlager? It *is* bloody awful!
: 
James> I thought that was spelled 'Swinelager'!  8-).

No no, it's `Stoned Longer'. ;^)

'gork
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:59:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

amorgan@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> None of that oppressive mugginess experienced north of the
> Bombay Hills all the time :-)

Having lived both in Auckland (and extremely unlikely to again) and Hamilton,
I can safely report that Dorkland doesn't suffer anywhere near the kind of
mugginess that the Waikato suffers from.  Except when the building
airconditioning failed where I was working (imagine half a dozen programmers
clawing at the machine room door, begging to be let into the cool air within,
while the operator grins sadistically from inside -- Bernie, you b------, 
are you out there? 8-), I never found Auckland's heat or humidity even nearly
as unbearable as Hamilton's.  Of course the nearly constant rain is a bit
of a pest....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Japanese Imports
From: Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 15:05:23 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

> Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
> 
> > kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> > 
> > > Firstly, your second sentence could (accurately) be rewritten as "Take
> > > a look at a new American/Korean/European/Japanese car...." but it's
> > > much more "acceptable" to bash the Japanese.
> > 
> > Yes, execpt they don't dump their unwanted death traps on us :-)
> 
> They're not dumping their unwanted death traps on us, New Zealanders are
> going to Japan and buying them! Of their own free will! Does this suggest
> something to you about the cost of new cars assembled in NZ?
> 
> 						- k
> -- 
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> "Jub'f Xvob?"

That remark was in jest.
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: cost-of-living
Keywords: standard-of-living, wages, prices
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:27:44 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

kaytes@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Kregg Aytes) writes:
> moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes...
> >> What does housing run (2-bedroom bungalow)?  Downtown?  Suburbs?
> >In the squalid areas, $60k and up. Maybe $200k absolute tops for `a
> >prestigous townhouse in a superior location...'. About $100-$120k for
> >something reasonable. Rent maybe $100 (you'll be lucky) to $250 (you are
> >lucky!).
> Are those rent prices per week or per month? It sounds like they must be
> per week.
per week. (sorry)

> Just out of curiosity, how are cyclists treated in NZ? I also use a bike as
> my main mode of transportation, and have found some US cities to be
> downright hostile towards cyclists. Others, like Tucson, are wonderful for
> cycling.
in Christchurch, Nelson, Dunedin generally very well. The buses in ChCh 
tend to forget you sometimes in town, but hey...

The cities (Auckland, Wellington at least) are specifically designed to
shit on cyclists - motorways, and the drivers really have it in for you.

You can Mountain Bike round Wellington, but you need the MTB for most
of the cycle ways and steps. Auckland I imagine you could bike around bits
of, so it depends on how far apart work/home are...

MOZ
From: gbrower@acpub.duke.edu (Gary Brower)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: cost-of-living
Keywords: standard-of-living, wages, prices
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:25:07 GMT

The libraries in my neck of the woods have little current information on
the standard/cost of living in any New Zealand towns/cities.  I am most
interested in getting some handle on these matters for Christ Church.

What does housing run (2-bedroom bungalow)?  Downtown?  Suburbs?  Both rent
and purchase?  (Oh, if one lives in the 'burbs, is there adequate public
transport to the downtown aread?)

What are prices for standard food items (milk, bread, toilet paper, etc)?

How much are cars (like a Toyota Corolla)?  Note:  I've seen the discussion
about imports over the last few weeks.  I'm not an advocate of Toyotas; it's
just a useful comparison.

Anything that might relate to these queries would be helpful.  You may
reply to the news group, or to me personally.

Thanks in advance.

Gary Brower
GBROWER@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:18:46 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh) writes:

>At the moment, I am preparing the second edition of a Danish guide
>book about New Zealand that I wrote four years ago ("New Zealand
>	- Who are the most (internationally) well known newzealanders,
>	  such as actors, singers, authors, athletes a.s.o.? (I known
>	  Ngaio Marsh, Kiri Te Kanawa, and Peter Schnell.)
                                                 ^^^^^^  Snell

I would wager that most younger NZers wouldn't know who Ngaio Marsh is!
In no particular order:
Lorraine Moller    - Olympic marathon bronze medallist, been running
                     internationally for years.
Sir Edmund Hillary - Mountaineer, (1st up Mt Everest in '50s) & recently
		     ambassador to (oh god, India?). Much aid work in Nepal.
Sam Hunt           - Poet (well some people think so)
Sir Richard Hadlee - Cricketer
John Walker        - Former athlete (1500m & mile)
Susan Devoy        - World squash champion for several years now
Michael Houston    - Pianist
Malvina Major      - Singer. Not sure how well known she is ?
3 or 4 women (authors) whose names I don't know, but are international
                     best sellers for Mills & Boone

>	- What are the most interesting and/or best foods (dishes),
>	  beer, wine, and other things to eat or drink? (I known the
>	  fruits (kiwi, tamarillo,...) and I know pavlova, of course.:-)

Some people say our lamb, but I'm vegetarian :)  And the EC just loves our
butter.

>	- Which do you think are the best (english) guide books on New
>	  Zealand? Both in general and for specific purposes, such as
>	  trekking, fishing etc.? And which are the best maps?

The "Shell" guide books are very comprehensive

>	- Is it "a guide book about New Zealand" or "a guide book on
>	  New Zealand"???

"on" (meaning "about") is definitely the normal usage.

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From: amorgan@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand vacations
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:17:53 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <BuA2Mv.6w1@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Ray.Nickson@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ray Nickson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.115736.10676@waikato.ac.nz> amorgan@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
>            DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT wear speedos on the beach!!!
> 
> Actually, we'd rather you didn't drive your car on the beach at all.
> 
> So, what's a `speedo' to you?  Here it's short for `speedometer'.


Speedos are those things that resemble a _very_ tight pair of men's underpants 
used as togs. They have the bad habit of appearing on overweight, bald, aging
white men who go to the beach once every ten years. Urghh :-(

Morgy.
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From: Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:15:52 GMT
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz wrote:
>If fact, I believe that the influx of Japanese imports has drastically
>lowered the average age of cars on our roads.  Surely newer cars are
>safter? It's not so long ago that we had cars exempt from having seat
>belts because they were first registered before 19??

1955.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  8 Sep 92 07:28:19 GMT

Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:

>hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>> In article <HGORK.92Sep4125336@zenon.iesd.auc.dk>, hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitt
>> > 
>> > 	- Who are the most (internationally) well known newzealanders,
>> > 	  such as actors, singers, authors, athletes a.s.o.? (I known
>> > 	  Ngaio Marsh, Kiri Te Kanawa, and Peter Schnell.)
>> >

  In keeping with NZ tradition, it seems that the intellectual
achievers have been ignored in this thread.  So just to add :

  William Pickering (director? of NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory)
  Ernest Rutherford (first to split the atom - Nobel Prize recipient).

  The Chemistry Dept at Auckland used to have Rutherford's 
University Junior Scholarship results up on the wall.  Turns out
he was only 7th in the country.  I always wonder what the six ahead
of him ended up doing.

(Also, for a non-intellectual pursuit, Graham Kerr is fairly famous
as the Galloping Gourmet).


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