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From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bruce.
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1685D85F8.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom
Steegmann) writes...
>In article <1992Sep9.053450.904@morrow.stanford.edu>
>GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>>In article <BuA7r5.2no@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
>>v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep8.204253.7882@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.
>>>stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes...
>>>>In article <Bu82p3.BK2@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
>>>>v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy) writes:

>>>>>        Also, someone else posted that the Bills would be destined to go to
>>>>>the Super Bowl if they beat the '49ers by 40-7 like they beat the Rams.
>>>>>Again, I think differently.
>>>>>        The '49ers are better, but they simply aren't such an awesome team
>>>>>that I would measure the Bills prospects by how well they play against the
>>>>>'49ers.  I expect the Bills to beat the '49ers, but not by that much.
>>
>>>>>Snoopy
>>
>>>>Both the Bills and 49ers have explosive offenses.  Hard to say which
>>>>one is really better, they both posses extreme talent.
>>>>However, the one major difference between the two teams is defense.
>>>>The Bills defense stinks!  And the Niners do have defense!  I would
>>>>think that the Bills would be spending more time playing keep up if
>>>>anything!  I see the 49ers winning, but not by much!
>>
>>>        The Bills have a better offense.  Their quarterbacks are better, their
>>>receivers not as good, but they have a better running game.  Their defense is
>>>good.  To think it sucks, you must actually LISTEN to the announcers!
>>>
>>>Snoopy
>>
>>I'll agree with you on the better running game.  As for the better
>>quarterback, I won't elvauate that position until after this season,
>>when whoever the 49ers real starter gets some significant playing
>>time unde his belt.  Kelly is good, but he doesn't seem to handle
>>pressure situations all that well IMO.
>      OK bozo, I've read just about enough of your drivel now. Did
>you see the Raiders game last year? Kelly rallied the troops for a
>great come from behind victory.  How about the way he rolled over
>Kansas City in the Playoffs?  Obviously you have never watched the
>Bills play, and are so blinded by you 49ers that you cant look
>objectively at another team.  Kelly is a great QB (oh, BTW Tony,
>who threw the most TDs in the NFL last year?) and Young isnt. Get it?
>I think that  Bono is probably better.

	Thank you, Tom.  You said several things I wanted to say.  Unfortunat-
ely, Tony seems to be unable to comprehend several simple ideas germaine to
this topic.  Since I am not willing to repeat myself that much, I'll just give
up and go home, killing this thread.

Snoopy

[much deleted]
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From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF)
Subject: Re: Haley back to form? *NOT*
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:42:17 GMT

In article <5209@gold.gvg.tek.com> johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
>In article <19299uINNim4@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>>In article <5197@gold.gvg.tek.com> johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
>>>Maybe the honeymoon is over for Charles Haley in Dallas.
>>>It was reported in the San Francisco Chronicle that
>>>Haley walked up to Troy Aikman in the Cowboy's locker-
>>>room and told him that he "couldn't carry Joe Montana's
>>>jock strap".
>
>>>Ah yes, vintage Charles.
>
>>Dear John,
>
>>It is too bad that you don't read a more reputable newspaper, one that
>>bothers to check the veracity of its sources.  The story in question
>>was reported by one "Mr." Fred Edelstein on ESPN at the start of last
>>week.  Too bad, because Mr. Edelstein got his report from shaky
>>sources and as it turns out, the statement is completely false.
>
>
>The SF Chronicle not reputable?? I can't believe that.
>My deepest apologies.
>By the way, has Charles urinated on any of the Cowboy's
>cars yet?
>

I would assume that this is serious, and not sarcastic.  I thought
that the Boston Globe was bad, until I got to the Bay Area and saw the
Comical for the first time.  I'd rather read the NY Post...

The sportswriters for the Comical (and the Examiner for that matter)
must be heartbroken.  They might lose the Giants, Golden State has
done nothing to improve themselvs, and then the 49'ers give up their
best pass rusher (and it shows) and then lose at home.  As soon as the
Sharks move down to San Jose, it's all over with for the City by the Bay.


Mark

From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:34:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Mark Stepnoski
Organization: work
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>/ hpdmd48:rec.sport.football.pro / cwa@teer15.acpub.duke.edu (CLAY AMERAULT) / 10:29 am  Sep  5, 1992 /
>Keywords: 
>
>
>
>
>Any news on Stepnoski???
>>----------

	he just signed....

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: 49er's Seifert - DUMP COFER
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:58:05 GMT


I've been saying this for 3 years.  Dump Cofer.  We won't get to Superbowl 
with him there.  Think Seifert's on the net?
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holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu (The Pseudo Edge)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:02:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

 The way IR was used I'm not in favor of it coming back. Unless a miracle
happens & they can make it work right & work quickly. A majority of the
time the officials on the field DO make the right call.
 RE: Length of game.
I think it has more to do with how often play is stopped in general. If
a running team is playing & the clock keeps moving & the game will go
faster. Length of the game has nothing to do with Instant reply, but IR
does stop a team's momentum.
 Basically, the IR has nothing to do with the length of a game. But,
didn't u see this coming? Its like murphys laws. You wash your car,
it rains, etc.  The first week IR isnt used, there are examples that
it could have been used for.
 
Wayne
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From: schy@rtsg.mot.com (Michael A. Schy)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:24:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.133646.27542@midway.uchicago.edu> hrad@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>What a great attitude!  All the critics have to realize that
>ABC puts MNF on the air to make money.  They already have
>the audience of football fans, so they try to make a variety
>show out of it to draw in the would-be Murphy Brown (ugh!)
>fans.  They've got the straight-man Al (I'm still waiting
>for him to mention a stat about how some left-handed
>quarterback does against left-handed DB's), the babbling
>comedian in Frank (yes, 125 yards per carry _is_
>unrealistic) and the purveyer of preposterous pondering,
>Dan.  

Except Dan would is the Pppurveyer of PpprePppossssteroussss
Pppondering.

It is difficult to spell out Dan's explosive sounding Ps and
slurred Ss.

-- 
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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:04:53 GMT

In <hcsnxlb.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>Nothing personal, but who gives a fuck whether the officials are happy
>without it or not.  We don't pay to see the officials.  Their blown calls
>can effect a players livelihood and paycheck.  Of the games I saw this
>weekend every one of them had a bad call in it that could have been
>overturned with IR.

I try not to take it personally :)  (OK, I referee in Finland, not in NFL..)

How come the 'blown' calls affect the players paycheck?  If you are a
good player, you will stay that way even if a touchdown you made is 
called back because some holding took place.

And have you ever considered the fact that officials are only human and
make mistakes just like players and coaches?  If a team loses because
of a 'blown' call, then the game was close enough for ANY luck factor
to make them lose it.

I personally am against IR, because without it, the officials WILL make
better calls, as they have no 'safety net' :)
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: QB ratings, week 2 & cumulative
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:08:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

bernie@lgc.com (Bernie De La Torre) writes:

>In article <1992Sep15.144849.19419@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>
>>[E-mail corrections appreciated.]
>>
>>Week 2 (minimum 10 attempts):
>>Pos Name              Atts Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn TDs  TD % INT  IN%   RATE
>>--- ----------------  ---- ----   ----  -----  ----- ---  ---- ---  ---   -----
>>  1 R. Cunningham       22   17   77.3    267  12.14   3  13.6   0  0.0   156.6
>>  2 V. Testaverde       25   22   88.0    363  14.52   2   8.0   0  0.0   145.4

>This just shows how flawed the formula for computing the quarterback rating
>is. Testaverde had a nearly perfect game and still ranks below Cunningham
>who through for less yards, had a lower completion % and avg gain per throw.
>IMHO, too much weigth is given to touchdown passes.


	The problem here is not the rating system but the fact that there
are so few attempts upon which to base the ratings.  Any one outstanding
performance or stat (such as Cunningham's TDs) will give too much weight
to that factor.  Wait for a few more weeks.  If Testaverde continues to
perform at the same level, the ratings will show it.

Ken T.
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From: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Giants: 5-11
Date: 9 Sep 1992 18:02:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jjd3@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Dibenedetto)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I was at that...embrrassment...at the Meadowlands on Sunday.  The impression
I came away with, and everyone around agreed, was that this is the first
time since the late 1970's that there's no hope.  Age has caught up with
the Giants, and the coaching staff is abysmal.  The new defensice scheme is
an ineffectual joke, and the wide open offense was nonexistent (Simms threwhat, one long pass the whole game?  Two, maybe?  I know, the Giants aren't a 
throw-the-ball-50-times-a-game team, but you've got to at least make the
opponents think you're capable and willing of going downfield once in a while.
Otherwise they sit on the run all day, and I don't care how  good ROdney
HJampton and the offensive line are, when everybody in the Tri-State Area
knows it's Hampton right, it's going to get stuffed.)

Handley's got to go.  Rust and Fassel as well.  

(and, as an aside, so does the new owner, Tisch.  Cheapest bastyard in the
NFL.  Last year, he makes the season ticket holders buy preseason tickets; 
I guess 16 straight years of sellouts wasn't enough for him.  And Sunday, 
for the first time I can remember, and I've been going since 1976, no halftime
show.  Not even the usual cheapo high-school band.  Guess Ticsh couldn't
come upwith $500 or so to pay the kids...)

So, 5-11.  Maybe 6-10 if they sweep Phoenix.


-- 
James John DiBenedetto (jjd3@po.cwru.edu) | "I hate to judge before all the 
SUNY Buffalo School o' Law Class of 1994  |  facts are in, but it looks like
Western Reserve College '91               |  General Ripper exceeded his
Go Giants!                                |  authority..." - "Dr. Strangelove"
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington-Dallas update requested
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep8.000128.27916@iti.gov.sg>, dlee@iti.gov.sg (Dennis Lee) writes...
>Could anyone give highlights or at the least report on the score of this
>highly charged encounter?
> 
>Thanks,
>>Dennis.

To start off the Redskins looked like SHIT. The final score was 23-10,
but in actuality it was 30-3. Defensively the Cowboys looked outstanding.
I lost count how many times rypien hit the ground, but I do know it was
more than he hit his receivers. Emmitt was awesome running for over 130
yards and one TD. The only Redskin score was given to them by the officials.
Troy through an interception that when replayed turned out to be a trapped
ball. All in all it was the Cowboys who looked like superbowl champs and
the Redskins like Chumps.
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: GIANTS draft screw-up??
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:52:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Earlier this year the GIANTS gave up their first round draft in 1993
pick to obtain Duke's QB in the supplemental draft.  Am I the only one
who think they screwed up big time (again!)??  Face it, they ain't looking
too good this year and they would have probably ended up drafting high
next year meaning they would have either had a chance at Notre Dame's QB
(Rick Mirer) or Michigan's QB (Elvis Grbac) not to mention the number of
other QBs who will be available this draft.  Instead, they give it up to
get a no-name QB from that venerable football powerhouse Duke (NOT!).

Looks like Handley gets to stick it to the team yet again!  Oh man, I'd rather
go back to the Ray Perkins' era because at least back then the team was
talentless: now we have a team that can get the job done but a coach who
insists on shooting them in the foot.

RAY MUST GO!!

satish nair
From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Leading RB & WR - Foster & Graham?
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:21:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep14.215423.16589@news.uakron.edu> r3kls@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Kevin L Sheller) writes:
>Can this be true? Barry Foster, with 297 yards has THE most in the NFL after
>week 2?

It is!   Only he and Walker had 100 rushing games yesterday.

BTW, how is Leon Searcy doing? Was he a good 1st round choice?


===============================================================================
Matt Brockman              NFL: Go Steelers!            mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
                          WLAF: Go, Go, Glory!
                           AFL: Go Thunderbolts!
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: No more good QBs,RBs
Summary: Where have all the good ones gone?
Keywords: Running Backs, Quarterbacks
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:50:59 GMT


	Ever notice that all of the really great quarterbacks are well
over 30?  Marino, Young, Moon, Kelly, Elway, etc. are all in that
category.  When these QBs were younger, it seemed that every team had one
good or great QB to lead them.  This was back in the mid-80s.  There were
also QBs like Fouts, Theismann, Stabler, Kramer, Grogan, Plunkett, and of
course Joe Montana around.  Of the young (under 30) QBs today, how many
are truly great?  None, IMHO.  Only a few even have the potential: 
Rypien, George, Miller, Rosenbach, Aikman.  Where did all the talent go?

	The same can be said for running backs.  In the mid-80s there were
RBS like Payton, Sims, Dorsett, Tyler, Warner, Dickerson, Allen, etc. 
Every team had one and sometimes two excellent runners.  Now there are
only a handful of them:  Smith, Thomas, Sanders.  Some of the older ones
are still around but are a shadow of their former selves:  Dickerson,
Allen, O.J. Anderson and Roger Craig, for example.  Then there are some
respectable ones, like Byner, Word, Neal Anderson and a few others.  Look
at a list of the all time leading rushers.  It is full of those players
who began their careers in the late 70s to early 80s.  They have 5000,
6000, up to 16,000 yards rushing.  Of the current crop, I can see only the
three named above as getting over 7000 yards for their careers.  Where did
all the talent go?
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From: Michael A Kingzett <mkingzet@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: A followup to the 'Redskins' name change article
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:49:42 GMT


About the article:

>        I think that something stupid done by the Native Americans was to have
>a BIG rally during the superbowl.  I feel this way, because they spent their
>time saying how bad the name Redskins was, but totally forgot about the Bills.
>I don't know how you feel, but I think Buffalo Bill is definitely something
>that the Native Americans should have also addressed, instead of just going
>after the Redskins.
>        Other than that, I think that there is no way to get rid of all of the
>stereotypes in the world, but hopefully someday, everyone will live in peace.


Isn't a 'Bill' a particular type of buffalo?? (the animal, of course)
Sometimes there is a point of going "beyond PC"

Mike
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From: r3kls@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Kevin L Sheller)
Subject: Leading RB & WR - Foster & Graham?
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:54:23 GMT

Can this be true? Barry Foster, with 297 yards has THE most in the NFL after
week 2?

Can it similarly be true that Graham was the league's leading receiver in
yardage last week? Maybe the local paper had a typo, but that seems to be
the case as far as I can tell...
 
 The Steelers and their coaching staff really seem to be doing well. The 
offensive line run blocking has been purely astounding. Thank Erhardt for
that! 
 The defense has been PREPARING for their opponent each week, rather than
using the same strategies week after week. Knowing that, I really hope 
they work on defending the run for this game against the Chargers. The run 
defense has looked pitiful in the past few weeks... 

						Kevmo!
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From: jack1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (john.fijolek)
Subject: Re: Neal Anderson
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:09:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.025433.12379@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins448c@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Mills) writes:
> Richard Scott (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
> : You have got to  be kidding!  Play Lewis instead of a star like
> : Anderson?  What a load of rubbish.  Now -- let's see.  Neal had such a
> : horrible game : 52 yrds rushing and 32 yards receiving?
> 
> It was a rotten game for him.  He should be dumped.
I think any running back would be satisfied with 2 TDs in a game,
Sanders did some good highlight film moments but still only scored
1 TD.
> 
> : I shudder at the thought of the Bears without Neal.  Anderson has been
> : the heart and soul of their offense for 5 years and now you are dumping
> : on him?  What is your problem!
> 
> No problem, he just doesn't like the Bares as much as you do.  I tend to agree
> with you though, the Bares would be even duller without him.
Gee, explain excitement, if 5 lead changes in the last 7 minutes, 
a 4th down, no time outs, do or die TD with 
1 second on the clock doesn't qualify, what does?
Sex should be so good.

jack
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Redskins played like slobs?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:35:30 GMT

In article <BuBE39.6tr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:
>The nightmare continues .. Redskins blown out in preseason finale with all
>starters playing 3 quarters and then the Cowboys roll easily.
>
>The play of the "Super Bowl" champions in no way resembles that of last
>year's team.   WHY?
>
>Obvious answer #1:  The personnel changed?  Not really.  In fact, many
>believe this year's Redskins are a better team, skill-wise.  But what
>about fundamentals, such as blocking that are horrible this year?
>
>Obvious answer #2:  The coaching staff?  As long as Gibbs is there, nothing
>here will change.  Of course, his rare smile after being doused with
>Gatorade shows that he may have let victory get to his head.
>
>Obvious answer #3:  Team composure?  You bet!  Very different.  In '91, the
>'Skins were the obvious #2 in NFC East behind the Giants.  They had to be
>very competitive, whereas now, they just think that they are.  Case in point,
>The preseason records: 1-3 in '91,  1-4 in '92.  What IS different is the
>way the 'Skins handled the preseason.  That is:  In '91, they worked hard to
>correct their problems. Now,  they just say,  "Preseason doesn't matter, so
>let's blow it off and go 14-2 and win the Super Bowl."
>
>Conclusion:  In the 'Skins off-season and preseason party, just like the '87
>and '91 Giants,  they let someone else pass them by.  Don't look for much
>from them,  especially if Detroit wins its first ever game in RFK.  The
>Skins could be 0-3 and chasing the Phoenix Cardinals for another Desmond
>Howard draft pick next year,  WITHOUT TRADING TO GET HIM!
>
>Mark Blickhan      ....   Detroit Lions -- Kings of the Jungle!
>			  NFC Central Div. Champs , 8-0 at home.
>
   Well, I have a different conclusion. They simply had everything (i.e.
   confidence and a few breaks) go their way last year. Not only were they
   a great team, but everything they did turned up roses. I think one play
   in Monday night's game summed up the difference between the Skins of this
   year and last year. Rypien threw late to a wide-open Monk on what should
   have been a long TD pass. Ryp almost never missed a deep pass last year.
   Also, Ryp was never pressured. If he's pressured, he won't always make
   the right decisions. I'm still not totally sold on Ryp's ability. The
   'Skins were greater than the sum of their parts last year, they might
   just be another very good team this year.

   --salty