From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.religion.islam,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Babri Masjid
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:28:04 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati
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In article <1992Dec8.170405.16932@ntmtv> ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed) writes:
>
>It is at times like these, that a "Wimpy" comment like 
>Islam is independent of a mosque or something to the
>same tune will only serve to indicate to the world how
>callous the muslims are.
>I do not recommend similar destruction by muslims or a
>similar fanatic act. But I do hope that the Muslims all
>over the world will in a unified voice condemn the Indian
>government for disregarding the sentiments of the very
>large muslim population in India.
>And also take economic actions to convey to India their
>seriousness.
>
>Peace.
>
>Syed Ahmed.

to put it succinctly, the destruction of the masjid in ayodhya sucks. it is not
just a masjid that was destroyed there. it is not the same as destroying any
masjid either. this masjid has become a symbol of muslim india, muslim history,
muslim rule in india, and muslim presence in india. i said before and it is
true. muslims have never been accepted in india, the presence of a few actors
and entertainers and some rich folks and even some politicians in india is no 
proof that that muslims are accepted there. give a dog his bone and he will eat
it. there is no question about that.

the masjid did not have to be, but it has become all of muslim history in the
subcontinent. it was destroyed because of a fictional set of beliefs by a 
majority population who could not accept the fact of the presence of the 
minority. it also brings to light another fact, reagardless of ones patriotism,
hindus and muslims have never been a single nation in india. even if there are
muslims and hindus who like each other and even if there are muslims who do not
want a divided india, when the day is done, the two are seperate, and never the
two shall meet. i am going to withold my judgement on the goodness (or badness)
of it, but that is the way things are.

i am also saying this even though i feel most of india was against the d
destruction of the babri masjid. the babri masjid is going to be a symbol
of a bigger problem for india. the bjp's shot themselves in the foot.
they have repeated many times that the invaders, people like me, who believe
like me, can leave, while i am not from india, it is easy for me to say, yes
muslims get the hell out of india, but the problem arises, what will happen
to the muslims of india? this babri masjid is an international issue now,
two countries, both that could do well without their neighbor, have issued
a national day of mourning, pakistani muslims and bengali muslims have reacted
very mildly to the situation as a whole.

the question of revenge is tough. while hindus have been attacked in pakistan,
i venture to ask the hindus on the net, how would you react if a government and
a people tacitly said to you, we hate you, we have always hated you. get the
fuck out of here. otherwise you must become muslim. this is basically
what the hindu majority is implying.

it is forgotten that we muslims enriched indian culture ten-fold. what is now
tacitly accepted as hindu sounds no different to me than urdu. persian poetry
is considered the highest form of verse in literary circles. our languages,
turkish, arabic, farsi, made what your language is today. 

i use the term us and you, we and them not because i enjoy it, the attitude
forced me to. if indian muslims are not going to be accepted in india, then
who is going to accept them? the question of pan-islamism has been spoken of
many times and many indian muslims have accepted it. i will go to a place where
people call me brother, i do not like a place where the practice of baghal
main churi va mu'n pey ram ram has continuously surfaced.

people may say, muslims are fanatics and that islam is dangerous, here are
some figures for you. 90% of all prisoners of conscience in the world are
muslims. This is done by an organization that I am not to crazy about,
Amnesty International. Another fact that you all might not want to forget.
We Muslims did not create the massacre of Assam. Do you remember that place?
It was a place where blood poured everywhere and you could smell it? Do
you still smell it? The memory of Assam is still alive people, in order for
Muslims to forget you have to make them forget. A revision of history, like
the one done by that fictitious character, Professor Oaks, is not going to work.

Muslim India has to wake up to the fact that their history is being eroded
in many different ways by the infrastructure of the country. We are not
the writers of history like a certain professor posted on the net, our
history is being told to us in India by people who never liked the history
they know about in the first place. Revisionism is taking place and most
of Muslim India doesn't even know it.

Connected to this is the issue of Kashmir. I read recently that the hindu
population of Kashmir was never more than 5% in the last 200 years. The 
question that comes to mind is what the hell is Kashmir doing in India?
I don't advocate it being part of Pakistan. I do advocate independance.
Please read May 1989 issue of India TODAY. The reaction is connected 
in that I can see more riots in Kashmir, and more demands for independance.

There is going to be some problems, people.

salam alaikum wa rahmatullah

Nar-e-Takbir!!

zafar
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