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From: grant_c1@verifone.com (Grant China)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The Greatest Ever
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:13:29 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

In article <1992Oct28.215153.17707@ncsu.edu>, rfsamara@eos.ncsu.edu (RAM SAMARA) writes:
> I really think that Michael Jordan is the greatest player to ever play
> basketball, In fact I think that he is the greatest athlete ever, am i
> exaggerating? Please comment!!

Exaggerating?  This doesn't even seem like a strong enough word.  You would 
get a strong argument as to wheter MJ is even the greatest basketball 
player ever, much less all around athlete.

The first person who would spring to my mind would probably be Wilt
Chamberlain.  He was truly a man among boys in the NBA (30 ppg, 20 rpg for
his CAREER).  There's a pretty good argument to say that he was the
greatest basketball player ever.  But in addition, he had tremendous
athletic skills in areas that you didn't always see on the court.  He had a
great bench press (400 lb. seems to come to mind?) and he could out
armwrestle as well as OUTSPRINT the great Jim Brown (of the Cleveland
Browns).  For several years he held the record for driving from one coast 
to the other (he just got into his Lamborghini one day and decided he 
wanted to drive the the other side of the country).  And of course, if sex 
were a sport...

Other basketball players who come to mind as candidates for the title of
the greatest ever are Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Larry Bird and Magic
Johnson. 

Other all around athletes who come to mind are Daly Thompson, Jim Brown
(also considered the best lacrosse player who ever lived), Jim Thorpe (who
once won a collegiate track meet all by himself) and Jesse Owens.  In fact,
I don' think it would have ever even have occured to me that MJ was the
greatest athlete. 

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From: presley@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Presley)
Subject: Re: Magic interview
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:21:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.174101.1389@xylogics.com> russ@xylogics.com (Russel M. Lamoreaux) writes:
>
>
>   I heard excerpt from a Magic interview in the local news where he was
>imo. bragging about how fun and easy it was for him to have casual sex.
>
>	 quote: "you could just tell by a look"... he continued with:
>"she would tell me she did not have any underwear on"... "i did it in
> a room next to a board meeting"... etc...
>

The interviewer picked up on this as well and asked Magic about it.
Magic mentioned that what he did was immoral and wrong.  He admitted
that he was having fun, though.  It was the reporter who brought up
the details of Magic's sexual experiences because Magic discusses some
of them (in detail) in his new book.

I think the point Magic was trying to make is that it is very easy to
fall into this type of "immorality" when you are a NBA player.  Personally,
I don't think it is immoral, just very dangerous.  He was simply being
honest (once again) that, in retrospect, it was fun but he knows that
it was wrong for him.




-- 
Matthew Presley (UCLA CS Grad. Student) & (JPL CS dude)
Internet (presley@cs.ucla.edu) or (matt@ruby.jpl.nasa.gov)
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From: jachano@srv.PacBell.COM (Jay Chanowitz)
Subject: Re: The Greatest or Most Dominating Ever
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:27:25 GMT

I think I'd go with Ali.  Particularly considering he wasn't allowed to 
practice his craft for ~ 4 years in his prime, and still revolutionized
his sport.

Jay
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:39:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhunix.1992Nov10.193950.8825
Distribution: usa
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Nov10.181407.5277@tc.fluke.COM> tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee) writes:
>
>Let's get real.  Threat is a fine guard but he really isn't awesome.  He
>played 3 (?) years here in Seattle and while he certainly contributed he
>was rarely awesome (unless of course you consider almost anything an NBA
>player does on the court as awesome, which is true but beside the
>comparative point we're discussing).
>
>Threat hasn't been an All-Star and I'll bet he won't be.
>
>Threat, as a point guard, was not able to beat out Nate McMillan (whose
>career is suddenly blossoming but 3 years ago was considered the weakest
>starter on the Sonics).
>
>Threat didn't start consistently at 2 guard - although he did start and
>play more at 2 than at point.  Ellis started and by the end of Sedale's
>last year here Pierce was starting.

Well, based on last year, I think Threatt was awesome.  Under tremendous
pressure filling in for one of the legends of the game under extraneous
circumstances, Threatt performed really well.  Played his customary good
D, and went way beyond the call of duty pushing the Lakers into the playoffs
after Worthy, Perkins and Divac (so 4 of L.A.'s starters were gone).  He
was definitely the most valuable Laker, shot 49% in a horribly slow offense,
scored nearly 16 ppg.  It seems that the Sonics weren't using him to what
they could have, doesn't it?  Imagine what he would have been like playing
with Magic?
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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 11:59:11 MST
From: rosej@oregon.et.byu.edu (James Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: MailMan


Apparently, what Karl Malone said did not really have a great effect on Magic's decision to retire.  I heard on the radio this morning that during play, Magic got a cut on his arm and that other players noticed this.  Magic said that the players that did had very fearful looks on their faces and that this was one of the major factors in his decision.  I am aware of the NBA rule to stop play when any player has open cuts: maybe the refs hadn't noticed it yet.  I'm sure the players tried their hardest to for






get that he is HIV+ but seeing blood seems to have frightened a few.  I am not completely sure of the original source of this quote ( It was my radio alarm clock and it was the first thing I heard this morning at 6:30) but the radio announcers claim that Magic said it himself.


					James
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From: retrac@vesuvius.cs.rice.edu (John Carter)
Subject: Re: Popeye?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:04:56 GMT

In article <1dpjj0INNo37@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>Did he forget to eat his Spinach before rookie camp?  I'm pretty sure he
>was drafted but I can't remember who.  What happened to Popeye Jones?!

Apparently he forgot to spinach-up.  Popeye was drafted by Houston near the
beginning of the second round, and played with them during the rookie camp
and in the summer league.  Apparently he didn't impress them as being ready
for the NBA, because they helped him sign a deal in Europe to get him some
experience and round out his skills.  Houston has successfully used this
trick before, e.g. Carl Herrera.  They did the same thing with last year's
#1, John Turner.  The sad thing is that with Thorpe and his backup being
injured and Mr. Mean having signed with San Antonio, Houston is desperate
for help at power forward where Popeye should at least be able to rebound.

-- 
John Carter  -*-  Rice University Computer Systems Lab  -*-  retrac@rice.edu

Thesis hacking Owl, soon to be Ute.  Move over Salt Lake, here he comes!
From: alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE was03cle03.10nov92
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:11:48 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
Nntp-Posting-User: alecb

was 92, cle 131   10nov92
 
was ( 0- 3)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
gugliotta,tom     31   8  14   0  0   1  2   2  7   1  2  1  1  1  0  0  0   17
grant,harvey      26   2   6   0  0   0  0   3  7   2  2  1  0  0  0  0  0    4
ellison,pervis    34  10  22   0  0   0  1   4  8   2  3  0  2  2  0  0  0   20
chapman,rex       24   4  12   0  0   3  4   0  3   5  1  0  1  0  0  0  0   11
adams,michael     24   3   9   0  1   0  0   0  1   8  3  0  4  0  0  0  0    6
price,brent       24   0   7   0  2   4  4   0  2   3  5  0  4  2  0  0  0    4
johnson,buck      12   4   6   0  0   1  2   3  3   2  4  0  1  0  0  0  0    9
smith,labradford  24   3   7   0  0   0  0   0  2   1  2  2  1  0  0  0  0    6
stewart,larry     15   0   2   0  0   0  0   0  2   3  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
jones,charles      6   1   1   0  0   1  1   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    3
maclean,don       14   4  10   0  0   4  4   1  7   1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0   12
foster,greg        6   0   2   0  0   0  0   1  2   0  2  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
was totals       240  39  98   0  3  14 18  14 44  28 27  4 15  5  0  0  0   92
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .398   .000   .778       team rebs  5
 
cle ( 2- 1)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
nance,larry       25   6  10   0  0   0  0   3  9   2  2  0  2  6  0  0  0   12
sanders,mike      17   4   7   0  0   3  4   0  6   4  2  1  0  0  0  0  0   11
daugherty,brad    26   4   6   0  0   7  9   1  6   5  3  0  1  0  0  0  0   15
wilkins,gerald    23   6   9   0  1   3  3   0  1   5  4  0  0  1  0  0  0   15
price,mark        22   6  10   1  3   4  4   0  1   8  0  0  0  0  0  0  0   17
williams,john     25   6   7   0  0   4  6   1  6   2  1  1  1  1  0  0  0   16
ehlo,craig        25   6  12   1  3   2  2   0  5   2  0  3  0  1  0  0  0   15
brandon,terrell   23   5  10   0  1   2  2   2  6   8  2  2  2  0  0  0  0   12
ferry,danny       22   5  10   0  1   0  0   3 10   3  2  0  1  3  0  0  0   10
battle,john       16   1   5   0  0   3  4   0  2   0  1  0  1  1  0  0  0    5
kerr,steve         8   1   2   0  0   0  0   0  4   1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
phills,bobby       8   0   6   0  0   1  2   0  0   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cle totals       240  50  94   2  9  29 36  10 56  40 19  7  8 13  0  0  0  131
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .532   .222   .806       team rebs  9
 
was   24  22  28  18  -   92
cle   29  31  46  25  -  131
 
attendance 13055, time 1:56, officials: DGarretson,WRooney,RNunn
From: z_parrisht@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Warriors/Bryon Houston info request
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:05:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Nov12.150549.1794
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Could some kind Warrior/Byron Houston fan email any info about this former
O-State, Chicago Bull (for @ 2 weeks) player. I watched Byron play at OSU
and I'm hoping he will be able to help the Warriors!  Back here in Texas
(I used to live in OK), I haven't heard shit.     Thanks alot.

                  tim
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Subject: Re: Rookies in first games
From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:12:13 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

Russ Smith writes:
>So far this looks like a deep draft that is really making an impact
>in the NBA.

And you didn't even mention "the new Charles Barkley," Clarence
Weatherspoon of the Sixers.  Seriously, I don't think he will be as
good as Barkley, but he could still be damn good.

Bob "The Glide" Davis
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From: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Subject: Re: Shaq is not going to be star until...
Reply-To: jwnagle@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Jim Nagle)
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:09:46 GMT

If the refs continue to let Shaq play the way they have so far IMHO he *would
be* the best center in the league. I honestly don't believe even Ewing
has the strength to control him.

Who was that poor Hornets player that was nearly killed Tues night anyway?
(:-)
-jim
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: All-Hustle team (here we go again...)
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:41:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov8.054121.8399
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Pleeeeease!

The captain of the All-Hustle team is Derek Harper.

If you didn't believe this before, watch him playing with a bunch of CBA
players this year.

GT
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Shaq is not going to be star until...
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:18:14 GMT

tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal) writes:

>Wilt was never a star either...

What did Shaq do in his first game as a pro that Wilt NEVER DID?

Answer on next page.

Foul Out

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
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From: smorshea@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: RE: RE:Magic Retires?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:39:22 GMT

In article <92309.145048JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
  
>   So, in conclusion, I loved Magic, the basketball player. I found it hard to
>   accept that such a person is susceptible to moral wrong-doing. I don't feel
>   though, that he deserves pity. I don't feel right about kids looking up to
>   him and not realizing he got HIV from unacceptable social practices. Do you
>   want your kids thinking sleeping around is okay? I hope not!
> 
>                                                                -jim b

Jim has made a good point that i think everyone has so far overlooked.
I am a fan of magic johnson the PLAYER, not earvin johnson the person.
Its ok to praise magic for being such a great person, but remember what we're
looking at is the player, not the person.  Given that the hiv virus has been
public knowledge for more than ten years i have no sympathy for him, i won't 
say he got what he deserves for fucking around, but he did get what deserved
for fucking around AND NOT PROTECTING HIMSELF.  Johnson the player is gone 
now, now we'll see the person.  I think many people won't like what they see.

As i read more and more responces to magic's re-retirement i realise just how
ineffectual the nba has been.  David Stern you have a lot to answer for.  You
could have prevented some of this if you had acted (don't ask what exactly he
should have done).  The nba has a lot of questions to answer about how players
with transmissible diseases/viruses should be treated (no doubt the solutions
they find will have enormous repercussions for the sporting world), and quite
frankly these question should have been answered before the season began.

I am saddened by magic's retirement, but not by his re-retirement.  He should 
have never have come back (i knew there would be some controversy surrounding
his return, but i didn't think this would be the result), unfortunatley things
could never be the same again
for him and he tried to come back.  Other players ignorance and fears combined
to remind johnson that unfortunately there wasn't a place for him in the nba.
Remember that nba atheletes (in fact all top level atheletes) are seemingly 
perfect, magic didn't fit into that catagory any more. Why? My answer is that 
magic the person was no longer perfect (I do admit I could be wrong), or 
perhaps never was.  

It is very unfortunate to see that once again igorance and fear has destroyed
another person's life (magic the player), however until we realise that 
education is what frees us from these contraints we will be cursed to remain
bound by them.

Andrew
smorshea@cc.curtin.edu.au
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: P.M. Dawn and NIKE
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:52:53 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>It's true too...and they let a 42 year old center score 24 points and grab
>15 rebounds on them.  Not to mention they let James Worthy score 40 points on
>them as well.

>All the games were close, even though it was a sweep, and since the Lakers
>had no backcourt, they got killed, especially by Joe Dumars.  All of those
>guys ended up scoring like 20 points a game, against the punchless backcourt
>of Michael Cooper, Tony Campbell and rookie, David Rivers.  That's a CBA
>backcourt right there.

	Well, I wouldn't put Cooper in the CBA class, but he was old then.
	The games were definitely close.  If it weren't for Worthy bricking
	some key FTs, they would have won Game 2.  And, what was that
	with setting up David Rivers for the clutch shot in Game 4?
	Strange.

	Jazzy J
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From: salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas)
Subject: Re: Celtics Roster
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:06:19 GMT

what's up here.

>Unsigned:  Jon Barry


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From: c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu
Subject: ESPN: Magic has not ruled out the possibility of playing in NBA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:36:00 GMT

This world is crazy! ESPN just   reported that Magic is AGAIN saying that
he may play in the NBA! 

Oh, Man, do not do that all over one more time. That is going to be a shame.

BOb

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From: pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan)
Subject: Re: P.M. Dawn and NIKE
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:33:40 GMT

chu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93_CBR900RR) writes:

>featured Scottie Pippen (I jam therefore I am).  Who was the person in the 
>second commercial where there is a display of "dribbling"?  Is it B.J.
>Armstrong...could it be...i'm really not sure...i only saw the commercial
>once.
 I'm pretty sure it's B.J.


>			THEN YOU GO TO DETROIT...
                         
          Hey if you can score I'm sure they'd welcome Greg Kite if he had an offensive game...	
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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Opening nite
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 08:23:59 GMT

In article <BxBD6s.60M@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
|> MN @ BOS
|>  BOSTON WINS   1 right!
|> NJ @ PH
|>  NJ WINS 	  2 and oh!  On a roll!
|> MIA @ OR
|>  MIA WINS	  First mistake!
|> WASH @ CHAR
|>  WASH WINS 	  2 and 2
|> NY @ AT
|>  NY WINS	  Back on the winning side: 3 and 2
|> CHIC @ CLEV
|>  CLEV WITH THE UPSET   3 and 3
|> MIL @ DET
|>  DET WINS		  3 and 4
|> SEA/HOUSTON IN JAPAN
|>  SEA                   4 and 4
|> GS @ UT
|>  UT WINS               4 and 5
|> LAL @ LAC
|>  LAC WINS              The wrongs are on a run: 4 and 6
|> SA @ SACRA
|>  SA WINS               4 right and 7 wrong

Hope you didn't have a lot of money riding on these picks!

I really shouldn't be so cruel as to highlight your weak powers
of prognostication, but you did put yourself on that limb.

In truth you a braver man than I to make your predictions known beforehand,
especially so early in the season.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: Nets questions
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:09:46 GMT

      With the trade of Mookie Blaylock to the Hawks, where does that leave
      Tate George? Is Daley that impressed with Anderson?,if so will Robinson
      be no. 2 behind him? if so I guess George will be getting more time than
      last year,on the bench that is.
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From: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Warriors Vs Lakers BOXSCORE please
Reply-To: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:25:58 GMT

     Would someone please post the boxscore of this game?  I'm especially
interested in the stats of Mullin, Owens, and Sprewell.  

Edward Hui
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Assist Men (was: Re: Lakers)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Kevin Porter
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:43:12 GMT



jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	And, Kevin Porter is the man who once held the record for assists
>	in a season, before it was eclipsed by Isiah Thomas, and then later
>	by John Stockton.

Also, it was Kevin Porter who held the NBA record for most assists in
one game, with 29, until Scott Skiles got 30 last year to break it.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: nodonn@hardy.u.washington.edu (Adam Kick)
Subject: Re: All-Hustle team (here we go again...)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:09:26 GMT

cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:

>Let's get this flamewar started early.  Here's my all-hustle team:

>G  Sedale Threatt
>G  Dan Majerle
>F  Tyrone Corbin
>F  A.C. Green
>C  Olden Polynice

>Tony

Replace Sedale Threatt with Nate Mcmillan.
From: C.Thomas.Eyford.III@dartmouth.edu (C. Thomas Eyford III)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: NBA Rotisserie Draft - Suggestions
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:50:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Hello again, I'd like to thank everyone who sent me mail, your
suggestions were very interesting and provided some
would-have-been-valuable insight.  Why do I say 'would-have-been'? 
Well, our beloved 'commissioner' (self-appointed) screwed up and didn't
get everything organized in time, so half the owners decided to back
out.  Hence, we are not having a league this year.  Again, thanks to
everyone, I appreciate your efforts.

-Tom

RL: Tom Eyford                        E-mail: eyford@mac.dartmouth.edu

"So, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll
try to kill each other like civilized people?"  
                                      -- Westley, _The Princess Bride_  
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