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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Subject: Re: Brother Phelps
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:24:28 GMT

In article <QeXzBLq00WBO83oFAA@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:
> Did anyone happen to hear the Phelps Brothers (late of Kentucky
> Headhunters) on Crook and Chase last week?  What do you think of their
> new sound/name?
> 
> Lori Cole

I heard them and I thought they were quite good. It was a different sound  
than they had with the Kentucky Headhunters. I wonder what they sound like  
on a faster song. Their harmony was pretty good although they sounded a  
bit nervous. I liked them better than KH (although I was never a really  
great fan of KH except for Dumas Walker's). Can't wait to see what else  
they produce.

lyndap
 .
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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin)
Subject: Re: A Buck Owens boxed set!
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Barnard College, Columbia U, New York
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:02:14 GMT
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In article <Bt5Fo0.713@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mark andrew fenster) writes:
>Anybody invest in that brand-spanking new Buck Owens
>boxed set yet ....

What label?  I've not seen it advertised.....

	-P.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Country Artists
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:22:16 CDT


In article <1992Aug14.205949.2530@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
> In article <13345.2a8bda75@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> mellett@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> >Can anyone identify the singers of three different songs.  They go:
> >   "Take this job and shove it"
> 
>   Johnny Paycheck

Actually, this song was written and sung by David Allan Coe. 
But, ya, Johnny Paycheck made it popular. There is also a 
great (well, I think it's great anyway) movie with the same
title. David Allan Coe and Lacy J. Dalton sing in the movie,
and if you watch real close Johnny Paycheck also makes an
appearance.

-Dean

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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Subject: Re: Help identify this singer
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.121851.23000@bnr.co.uk> ace@bharh45.bnr.co.uk  
(A.Elly) writes:
> 
> Hello there!!
> 
> Which country singer had an international hit with the song
> "Forever and Ever, Amen"?  Answers by email asap, please.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Adrienne
> --
> ****************************************************************
> * Adrienne Elly              *     BNR Europe                  *
> *                            *     London Road                 *
> * Email : ace@bnr.co.uk      *     Harlow, Essex, UK           *

Are you serious? Isn't this Randy Travis? A great singer and a great deal  
responsible for bringing country music back and making it repected and so  
popular.
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: country-rock from Sierra Records
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:54:36 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO


	mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mark andrew fenster) writes:
>Their address is:  Sierra Records, PO Box 5853, Pasadena,
>CA 91117-0181.  I can't vouch for their service, as I haven't
>ordered from them in a few years.

John DelGatto is the head of the company -- several times I've included notes
in the order, and he's always responded with with a handwritten note.  When I
told him it was neat hearing old Jock Bartley pickin' on the GP Live album, he
*called* and asked me to call Jock and tell him he had a small royalty check
for him.  Good company, nice folks, incredible recordings!
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Rockin' Boot Scootin Boogie
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:24:23 GMT
Organization: Boeing


Has anyone heard "The Asleep at the Wheel" version yet.  You will
have to get a hold of the "Keepin' me up Nights" CD.  It was released 
before Brooks and Dunn made it a number 1 hit.



-- 
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promoting Ice-T's Cop Killer song, write to: Geral M Levin, CEO 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: slywczak@ame.gsfc.nasa.gov (Rich Slywczak)
Subject: Re: Brother Phelps
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.212428.1860@gateway.novell.com>, lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson) writes:
|> In article <QeXzBLq00WBO83oFAA@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:
|> > Did anyone happen to hear the Phelps Brothers (late of Kentucky
|> > Headhunters) on Crook and Chase last week?  What do you think of their
|> > new sound/name?
|> > 
|> > Lori Cole
|> 
|> I heard them and I thought they were quite good. It was a different sound  
|> than they had with the Kentucky Headhunters. I wonder what they sound like  
|> on a faster song. Their harmony was pretty good although they sounded a  
|> bit nervous. I liked them better than KH (although I was never a really  
|> great fan of KH except for Dumas Walker's). Can't wait to see what else  
|> they produce.
|> 
|> lyndap
|>  .
|> \_/

The KH did a song with Roy Rogers on his "Tribute" album which was rather 
good ("That's how the West was Swung").  I have to say I was rather
impressed, since I like traditional country.

Has anyone heard Radney Foster's new song??  It is also quite different
from the stuff that Foster & Lloyd did....

-- Rich
slywczak@ame.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Country Artists
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:22:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: monarch.2840
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA

shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin) writes:
: In article <13345.2a8bda75@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> mellett@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
: 
: >Can anyone identify the singers of three different songs.  They go:
: >   "Take this job and shove it"
: Johnny Paycheck
: 
: >   "There's a tear in my beer"
: Big Bill Lister
: 
: >The third is by a female singer, and it goes,
: >   "Let's give them something to talk about."
: ????

Bonnie Raitt

: 
: >I apologize for the silly question; I'm just not familiar with country
: >artists.  THANKS!
: Lucky you.  You're welcome.
: 
: 	-P.
: 
: 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina)
Subject: Re: Newport Eulogy (from late sunday on...)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:26:14 GMT

I have been away from folk music to long. Can somone tell me 
about the Fairfield Four referenced in the Newport messages.
Thx
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Cowboy Boot Leathers
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:45:25 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA

micsmi@library.lib.usu.edu (Michelle Smith) writes:
: In article <1992Aug14.145942.8705@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> bjgelly@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Brian J. Gelly) writes:
: 
: >I just returned to Cleveland after spending a week in the Memphis area. 
: >I went to a boot store in Bethel Springs TN, called the Boot Corral.  They had,
: >IMHO, a huge supply of very reasonably priced (again IMHO) boots.  They had a
: >number of different exotic leathers (rattlesnake, shark, ostrich), and I
: >couldn't resist and bought a pair of lizard skin boots... which brings me to my
                                        
I've owned two pairs of lizards.  DON'T USE POLISH on the skin.  Use a cleaner/
softener.  I don't know if they told you how to care for them or not, but polish
will dry out the skin and they will split at the seams.  I've got one pair of 
lizards that are 10 years old with almost daily wear.

Merf
From: slywczak@ame.gsfc.nasa.gov (Rich Slywczak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Billy Ray Cyrus/Darryl & Don Ellis
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:00:10 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <morgan.1.0@nd.edu>, morgan@nd.edu (Lori J. Morgan) writes:
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                     Wow!!  Lori Morgan in our group!!  :-)
From: slywczak@ame.gsfc.nasa.gov (Rich Slywczak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: I'm Gonna Hire a Whino (to Decorate Our Home): Need Lyrics
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:34:31 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Aug13.043548.5914@leland.Stanford.EDU>, mvk@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Van Kleeck) writes:
|> Well, back when I was in 3rd or 4th grade, I had the album- on 8-track!
|> I think it's still around here, though I haven't seen it in a while.
|> It was a duo album with David Frizzell and Shelly West- damn good as I
|> recall. In addition to "Wino", it also had "You're the Reason God Made
|> Oklahoma"- which was a hit back then, too. 
|> "She said I'm gonna hire a wino to decorate our home
|> So you'll feel more at easse here,
|> and you won't need to roam.
|> We'll take out the dining room table-
|> Put a bar along that wall,
|> And a neon sign that points the way to our bathroom down the hall."
|> _mike
|> mvk@leland.stanford.edu
|> 


The album with this song was called "The Family's Fine, but This One's 
Mine"....it was his first solo ablum after the duet success with 
Shelly West.  I haven't seen the album in years either...

--Rich
slywczak@ame.gsfc.nasa.gov

P.S.:  I too was only in the 3rd or 4th grade when this song was
"famous"  :-)
From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Lyrics request -- "Margaritaville"
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:36:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chocaholics Anonymous



	I hate admitting this, esp. considering how much I've loved
	hearing this song over the years, but I just can't seem to
	make out one line of the lyrics.

		Strummin' my six string
		On my front porch swing
		????? (next line?) ????

		Wastin' away again in Margaritaville...

	Anyone feel like helping me out here? :-)

- Vince

-- 
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  pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | And soon it will render
         Department of ECE | That frozen concoction that helps me hang on...
       University of Texas |                                 - Jimmy Buffett
From: pefv702@perv.pe.utexas.edu (Joanna L. Castillo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Help I'm White and I can't get down
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:05:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1992Aug19.170512.2513
Organization: UT Petroleum Engineering Dept.
X-Xxdate: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:00:15 GMT
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In article <harp.60@bnr.ca> Alan Harp, harp@bnr.ca writes:
>I heard this comedy record on the radio the other day.  It was by
>a group called Geesenslaw.  (not sure of spelling).  It was FUNNY!
>It was called "Help I'm white and I can't get down"

The group is actually called the Geezinslaw Brothers and they are
from the Austin area.  The song was written by Roger Ball and Clinton
Gregory and is, indeed, pretty funny in a very silly sort of way.

>I went to the CD/record store.  They are always want to help you
>find what you want.  When I asked for that this white fellow just
>about cracked up.  Went back and told a black guy working there and
>he also started laughing.  Well they tried to look it up and couldn't
>find it.

I stopped in our local Sound Warehouse last night and saw a single
cassette version which claims to come off the CD "Feelin' Good, 
Gittin' Up, Gittin' Down".  They did not have the CD or full-length 
cassette in stock and I didn't ask if it had actually been released 
yet.

>Anybody know what record company they record for so I can order this?

The record company is:
  Step One Records
  1300 Division St. - 3rd Floor
  Nashville, TN  37203.

>* Alan Harp K4PB     *     Bell-Northern Research      *   CW FOREVER      *
>* mail: harp@bnr.ca  *   Research Triangle Park, NC    *                   *

Joanna.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: What happened to Restless Heart's lead singer?
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:28:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

I was glancing at Crook and Chase the other night, but not really listening.
However, I was surprised to see Restless Heart without their lead singer.

Obviously, on C&C they must have talked about this. Anyone want to fill
us in on the details.....

Pat Fitzpatrick
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Reba McEntire
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:40:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <IMER400.3.714347950@indyvax.iupui.edu> IMER400@indyvax.iupui.edu (Martha Rapp) writes:
>Is Reba catching more flak because she is not traditonal country?

I saw Reba in No. Cal. a couple of years ago - with the band that was
tragically killed in the air crash.  I thought she was *way* too slick.
It was much too "Vegas" for my taste.  She also committed what I consider
to be the ultimate sin for a performer - she didn't introduce the band.

I much preferred Don Williams, who opened for her.  And Garth Brooks, who
opened for Don Williams.  No, I'm not making this up.

Regards, Lee
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:43:35 -0400 
From: Lori Cole <lc1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Brother Phelps

Did anyone happen to hear the Phelps Brothers (late of Kentucky
Headhunters) on Crook and Chase last week?  What do you think of their
new sound/name?

Lori Cole
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: More folksy/early stuff
From: <LIBRBA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 07:19:17 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University


  On the subject of early music/folk music fusion...

  Dorian just released a new disc by a flutist whose name I'm now blocking on,
much to my frustration.  It's the guy who plays for the Baltimore Consort.
Anyway, the disc is titled "The Man With the Wooden Flute," and it consists
entirely of traditional music from Quebec, America and the British Isles.
While it's not an early music disc per se, the connection comes with gamba
player (Ann-Marie?) Morgan, who accompanies on several tracks.
  Just in case anyone's interested...
--
Rick Anderson                  "How much ground would a ground hog hog
Music Acquisitions              if a hound dog was ground round?"
Lee Library, BYU                             - An Anonymous Woodchuck
librba@BYUVM.BITNET      Disclaimer: BYU disagrees.
From: jrussell@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU (john russell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE: Singing Early Music
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:10:35 GMT
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>
> I am a vocalist (soprano) with 10 years of operatic training.  My voice is
> quite light, but I have a heavy natural vibrato.  I am interested in
> auditioning for some early music choral groups in my area, and my question
> is:  Is it necessary to have that pure, vibrato-less, "white" sound to
> produce an authentic early choral music sound?  Any thoughts from other
> singers, conductors, historians, or just interested/opinionated listeners
> would be greatly appreciated.
 
This will be of no help at all, but:
 
It depends on:
The period the music is from;
The type of music (sacred or secular);
Who it was originally intended for (soprano, boy soprano, castrato,
conutertenor);
and finally, who you ask.
 
Everybody seems to have their own opinions on this, and I'm sure we'll
see a few of them here. However, it might be worth your while to check
out the Robert Donington books on performance practice from the
library. There is also a Norton/Grove (I think) book on performance
practice before 1600.
 
Hope this helps.
 
John B. Russell
From: GAG@BROWNVM.BITNET (Geoffrey A Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE: Organ mailing list, anyone?
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:41:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: AEARN.EARLYM-L%92082119433710
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>Hi all net musicians (especially organists),
>
>Are any of you interested in starting a mailing list covering
>organ music of all forms?
>
>We could include lots of the stuff that is normally covered by
>the organ magazines such as "The Organists Review", "Organ" and
>"Church Music", the last of these given that many of us are
>church organists.
>
>Any ideas and discussions welcome.
>
>Please mail any support and suggestions.
 
I am definitely interested in being a member of a mailing list dedicated to
organ music and the history of the organ as well!!
 
Geoff Greene
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From: hart@arch.uwa.oz.au (Colin 't Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early,rec.music.classical
Subject: Organ mailing list, anyone?
Summary: Anyone interested in starting an organ mailing list?
Keywords: organ
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:27:55 GMT
Organization: University of Western Australia

Hi all net musicians (especially organists),

Are any of you interested in starting a mailing list covering
organ music of all forms?

We could include lots of the stuff that is normally covered by
the organ magazines such as "The Organists Review", "Organ" and
"Church Music", the last of these given that many of us are
church organists.

Any ideas and discussions welcome.

Please mail any support and suggestions.

Looking forward to lots of replies!

Colin 't Hart
hart@arch.uwa.oz.au

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From: simona@panix.com (Simona Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: Singing Early Music
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:46:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <01GNQOOX64UG8WWXOK@depauw.BITNET> DANIELB@DEPAUW.BITNET writes:

>I know I prefer pure sound or the voice, esp. that
>of a male soprano or a treble.  Granted, there are places where it sounds nice:
>Kirkby and the Tavnor Concort (name?) and their recording of Purcell's " Dido
>and Aeneas " comes to mind.  I believe it is the best recording I have heard
>yet.  I is so wonderfully pure.

Another wonderful example of a wonderfully light, vibrato-less voice is the
male who sings the descant (?) in the King's College recording of the
Allegri Miserere. Those high Cs sound positively other-worldly. I, alas,
have overdosed, but I was in shock the first time I heard it. It's
beautiful. -S.
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From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: List of performing groups
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:38:59 GMT

I'm looking for a some sort of directory of established early music performing
groups, particularly in the New York area, for mailing-list purposes..

Does anyone have any idea where I might find such a list?


--
Gabe Wiener - Columbia Univ.     "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings 
gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu       to be seriously considered as a means of 
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72355,1226 on CI$                 no value to us." -Western Union memo, 1877
From: rhutchin@pilot.njin.net (Roland Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: List of performing groups
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:07:10 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In <1992Aug14.183859.2730@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:

>I'm looking for a some sort of directory of established early music performing
>groups, particularly in the New York area, for mailing-list purposes..

>Does anyone have any idea where I might find such a list?

Get in touch with Early Music America, 30 West 26th Street, Suite
1101, New York, NY 10010-2011.  (212) 356-5643.

IMHO, everyone in North America who reads this newsgroup should
consider joining EMA.  Membership information may be had for the
asking from the above address.

-- 
Roland Hutchinson                       Visiting Specialist/Early Music
 Internet: rhutchin@pilot.njin.net      Department of Music
 Bitnet: rhutchin@NJIN                  Montclair State College
                                        Upper Montclair, NJ 07043
From: QUINN@GONZAGA.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Machaut
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:37:00 GMT
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Are there any other hardcore fans of Machaut on this list?  I was looking
at some of the comments on singing renaissance stuff with really close
harmonies and it brought to mind working on the Machaut mass -- people were
all over the place falling over the angular melodies, parallel fifths, etc.,
until I stopped and gave them a huge lecture on how the two top lines
each sound angular, with strange jutting edges, until you combine them
and you discover that they complement each other to produce a seamless
melody -- likewise the lower two lines.  I went on to tell them that it
was like a metaphor of medieval society, where the subtle complexities of the
upper lines were the aristocracy, while the ponderous, plodding lines on
the bottom were the peasantry, crossing and commingling within themselves,
but never crossing between the two groups.  (Of course I told them it wasn't
historically accurate, but it was just a way of looking at it.)  So the
very next run through was absoultely sublime and produced shivers in all of
the performers -- I will always remember the lingering silence at the end
of that movement.
 
Anyway, the point is that whether your understanding comes from serious
scholarship, theoretical analysis, or even fanciful comparisons to imaginary
"medieval societies," a little bit goes a long way.  Every piece is different,
and the key to each one will be slightly different from the last.  One's own
best artistic sensibilities must always have the final say in matters of
interpretation -- if they are faulty, the result will be faulty, no matter
how much information you have gathered on the subject -- if they are good
enough, they can compensate for almost any level of relative ignorance.
 
James Quinn
Quinn@Gonzaga.Bitnet