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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:03:00 GMT
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      re: food

This is just to add the subject line on my previous message...
guess I forgot (the memory *is* the first to go - this worries
me - what is next?). I think I put just the "re:", and it should
have been "re: food".

Well, it's Friday, and it's time to go home (actually, it's
past time - what am I still doing at work?).

I think I'm going to try dialing in from home this weekend.
I've been meaning to do so, but I wasn't sure if I wanted the
capability of doing work at home.  It's time to try, since I'm
having trouble getting to all the WORDS-L mail without staying
at work for hours "after hours" (or sneaking it in while I'm
working...wait a minute, did I say that?).

Jill


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Dialog Information Services
   (...uh-oh, it's another librarian!)
        and proud of it!
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lenny is Back
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> Karen, whom are you older than?
>
> Lenny

Lots of people.  If this is an indirect effort to get at my age, I am
41.

Karen
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: in memory of.....
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>One of the fine members of words-l has sent an unexpectedly
>large, donation for MS for the walk that Gail and I took on Saturday.
>
>"This donation is in memory of all the dear ones the words-lers have lost
>recently, and in honor of the close-knit though far-flung [group] words-l
>really is."
>
>"Congregation?  Neighborhood?  Village Square/cafe?  When you need them,
>these people are 'there'.  Words-l is truly special."

I would like to thank the Donor, in memory of my father (1904-1990),
my mother (1904-1992), and my mother-in-law (1902-1992).

love, judith
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: colorado railroads
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              8 Apr 1992 11:19:00 CDT from <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:19:00 CDT 815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 said:
>Give Dan Lester full marks for his information on the skinny
>railroads running out of Silverton, Colorado; but heckle the
>librarian for not recalling that the information was in _Cinders
>and Smoke_.  That's where I found it.
   Well, haven't read it in several years.  And my copy is up at the cabin.
Most of us liberrians are human, and therefore occasionally forget things.
Some of us aren't human, but that's another story....   8-)

>p.s. to dan: the check is in the mail (really)

Thanks.  I believe you.   But will you respect me in the morning?

dan
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: "nothing wrong"

> I didn't read all the letters on this thread, since I thought I knew down
> cold what Natalie's position is, but this brings up a doubt. What exactly
> does Natalie mean by "nothing wrong" ?

If my car doesn't start or fails to get me to my destination, something
is wrong with it.  If my coffee-maker doesn't make coffee or makes it
in a way that tastes bad, something is wrong with it.  If all my students
fail a test, there is probably something wrong with the test or with
the way I'm teaching the course.  (Then again, there may just be something
wrong with that class. ;-)) <--- closing parenthesis required to satisfy
my sense of orderliness.  If the altos come in too early in "The
Hallelujah Chorus," there's something wrong with the performance --
unless, of course, their error happens to improve upon Handel's original
idea, in which case we get into a value judgment about whether they are
right or wrong.  If a language fails to meet the needs of the speakers,
something is wrong with it.  So far, I don't know of any examples of
that kind of failure.  In other words, I'm using "wrong" in a practical
sense, not a moral sense.

> (An example of a sentence which IS bad is : "If two people are speaking
> different dialects, they are both right." This directs attention to some
> principle that "right" is subjective, when the discussion is about what
> the linguist thinks.)

Did I say that?  I don't think I did, although I understand its point.
Presumably the two speakers are using the "correct" grammars of their
different dialects.  Those grammars may be different, but neither can
be said to be "right" or "wrong."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today
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On Wed, 15 Apr 1992, Birthday Dog wrote:
>
> Guess who's ten years old now...
>                         o/.\____/
>          -- Bernard      \______|
>                          / \  / \

Happy Birthday, Bernard...are you accepting greetings from cats as well
as humans?  If so, Toscanini and Cat Ballou will meow their
felicitations from Houston.
ndh
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From:         Joan Boorstein <BOORSTEIN%UMBSKY.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gleanings (39)

Just a few minutes to answer this --
>6) T pass (Rita)

The local transit authority (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority)
-- affectionately(?) known locally as the MBTA or for short just the T --
allow users to buy monthly passes for use on its buses and subways -- it
is this pass that is known as the T pass.   You buy it for use on certain
lines and it allows you unlimited access for that month -- saves money,
waiting in line for tokens and not having to keep lots of change around.
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: HEEEEEEERE'S JOHNNY!
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              10 Apr 1992 15:06:00 MST from <WILLIAMS%MC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:06:00 MST JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
>Were dangerous dan from potatoland here he'd agree that initiation is the
>sincerest form of philately....
>
   Of course it is....who would bother forging something that was worthless?

dan

(who isn't really here)
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: moving day
Organization: Independent scholar
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:00:41 GMT

Dear Friends:

It's official -- we'll be moving to Florida in the middle of May, to the
Palm Beach area.  You can bet I'll be scrambling for some Net access, even
if I have to go commercial.  I'll be missing for a while, though: we're
going on a housebuying trip Sunday night, then it'll be a frenzy of
activity til moving day.  (I also came up with some *real paid consulting
work*, finally, and wouldn't you know it also has to be done in early May,
and in New York City yet?!)  That may get rescheduled, if the boss is
softhearted.  

I'll peek in from time to time as best I can, and hope to see you all after
the dust settles.

--bayla
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: e m forster

I'd hate to think it was a list regular who's talking about bumping one
of us off.

Evelyn
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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>Alas, the problem is not a technical one and so doesn't have a
>technical solution.  There are, actually, commercial options for
>connecting to the internet...but they are generally impractical on a
>student budget.

Actually, there are several BBS systems here in New York that would
allow access at reasonable fees (say $15-20 per month for the best
service).  I'm just not interested in such things for two reasons.
First, trying to access BBS systems isn't easy in a big city (I'd get
more busy signals than anything else, and when I did get through,
there'd be a time limit per day).  More importantly is the principle:
This is the largest private university in the country, and I find it
appalling that they don't try to provide much greater computer access.
I do have to admit that things are slowly improving here...When I first
got here in 1988, students weren't even allowed access to computer labs
for such simple things as word processing (the library set up a room
full of ancient PCs and Macs, and charged $5 an hour to use them), and any
request for an Internet account at all would have been laughed out of the
office.  There are several labs now, and obviously I have an account as of
now anyway, though I have a feeling I'm the only non-Computer Science
student in the entire University that does.

>Convincing a university to dedicate reasonable resources to student
>network access is a job for the eloquent not the technically skilled.

I agree totally.  Any Oxford-style debaters amongst us? :)

--Aaron
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Sinking Chicago update.
Organization: Independent scholar
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:59:28 GMT


>  Fortunately
>the new tunnel was not yet complete; if it were, the electrical
>fireworks may have been very interesting.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Steve Karlson


Um, er, Steve, not to get pedantic or prescriptive or anything, but
shouldn't that be "might have been"?  (Or should I have said "shouldn't
that have been "might have been"?) 
     
And to think, over on a.u.e. they're arguing about whether English still
has a subjunctive!

--bayla               
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From:         Birthday Dog <maynor%CS.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Today
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Guess who's ten years old now...
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
                         / \  / \
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From:         QXN148%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: sad thought

In September the local news station was at the mall interviewing parents and
children.  One parent was sending her daughter to an affluent prep school and
was complaining about the cost of the uniforms.  I can't remeber the exact cost
but I know I was surprised to hear how much two uniforms cost. I thought about
what would happen if it were manditory, the price would skyrocket.  Thats when
everyone would notice that you were wearing the same uniform every other day.
To be honset, I would rather listen to kids tease me because my shoes were
scuffed or my pants were short then have my life ended in childhood because
some punk wanted my jacket and killed me for it.


Oink Oink,
 Lisa
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chicago online

Only some blocks in downtown Chicago (by the river) have been  "cut off".
They have cut off the electricity in those blocks. Nothing has happened
to the rest of the city. Nothing at least in Hyde Park (where nothing
happens anyway.)

I didn't even know about this till about 1 o'clock. Even now I am very
vague about it.

tushar
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      re: Bitnet or Internet WORDS-L
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>glitch.)  It is ordinarily very much to my advantage to subscribe to all
>lists through internet rather than through bitnet.

>I have experienced exactly the same internet problem you have.  It's
>temporary.  I've subscribed to many lists through both bitnet and internet
>many times during the past couple of years to test them.  Internet is
>ahead of bitnet 99.99% of the time -- sometimes by DAYS.

>> >Is it better to subscribe through Internet rather than Bitnet?
>> Only if there is an Internet equivalent for NYUACF; I do not think that there
>> is one.

>All of what I've said assumes that you have a valid internet address, of
>course.  Why do you think Aaron doesn't have one?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Ok, it's time for me to learn a little bit (sounds better than "time to
expose my ignorance", eh?).  Is this referring to the address of the
mail recipient (e.g. me, or Aaron) or to the address of Words-l?  In
other words, it seems from a few other postings that I've read on this
thread, that the issue is whether I use the Bitnet or Internet address
in my original subscription to Words-l.  Is this the case?  Because
if so, I think I originally used words-l@uga.bitnet, since that was the
only address I had.  If it will decrease the leadtime before I get
messages, I'll gladly switch to words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu!

I'd rather switch than fight, so should I? ...or have I misunderstood?

Thanks!

Jill
 (..confused as ever...)

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Dialog Information Services
   (...uh-oh, it's another librarian!)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:12:11 EDT
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: tarmac rugrats
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>     Alternatively, if Mama Judith says you can come that probably
>would overrule the above rules. ;-).
>
>The Ronin
Mama Judith says, "If Natalie don't come, we don't got no clambake!"

Love and solidarity,
judith
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Date: 10 Apr 92 18:21:00 GMT
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Chastiseth    Graham Toal <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

> Read what I said more carefully this time.

     Would you be willing to chalk it up to my disbelief that you would
have trouble in this area?  You are the third person to point this out
to me.

The Ronin
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      words, words, words
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The following was posted to a primatology discussion
list, after some very heated postings about whether it
is ever appropriate to use "it" in reference to a
nonhuman primate. I think that the poster is Clifford
Jolly.

judith

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Recent discussions about language as destiny raise a number of idle
thoughts:

? Since English lacks a set of pronouns for living but non-human
organisms, are we doomed always to treat (non-human) animals either as
things or as people, both equally inappropriate?

? Are Germans less sexist for having a word for "human beings" of either
sex?

? Is a dove-hunting Italian more humane as he shoots HER, than a pigeon-
feeding, little old lady as she scatters food for IT in Central Park?

? Does anyone else remember nostalgically the days when one could refer
to a marmoset (or even some other human animal's immature offspring) as a
"sweet little thing" ?

? In the restaurant, do we weep for the beans, because THEY share a
pronoun with us human animals, but unfeelingly shovel in the rice,
because IT does not?

I put these questions to a carrot with whom I plan to work at lunchtime,
but she or he declined to answer.
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Subject:      Re: pencils (was re: TV)

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
To:     IN%"WORDS-L@UGA"@MRGATE@JCCW22


<Surveyth      Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
<
<> This is interesting...wonder how many words people are left-handed?
<
<     I am nominally right-handed, but there some things I do better
<at left-handed.  Neither hand writes legibly.
<
<The Ronin

I am additionally ambidextrously illegible.  I also switched from
"writing" to printing somewhere in jr hi, and all written communications
have deteriorated since I took up typing for most of my non-interpersonal
exchanges.  And I, too, make "typos" while I write.

Has anyone heard of handwriting analysis being done on the strict "Peterson"
(or other) handwriting method, which I was forced to imitate (with limited
success) as a youngster? I view handwriting analysis with about the same
skepticism as newspaper horoscopes, but the "insights" might be amusing.

Les
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: sad thought

The Ronin observes, "there should be passwords to identify who is
among the elite and who isn't ... and seems to imply an effort to
keep the lower classes from learning these passwords."

The lower classes make extensive efforts to learn the passwords,
which is why the John Molloy self-improvement books sell so well,
and which is what the public schools in the United States used to
do.  One of the purposes of public education is to transmit the
public culture, including the passwords.  I think the slippage began
when the public schools did away with dress codes.

Steve Karlson

"Oh dear, what is the world coming to?
"Exactly what it deserves."
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From:   NAME: Les Buhite
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My daughter's name is Ashera, she's studying English, can she be counted on the
student list?  Her typing skills are *real* poor, though...

At 27 months, what's currently interesting about her language acquisition is
her difficulty in distinguishing nomnitive and objective cases with pronouns.
Consequently, several nights a week she'll shuffle into the bedroom and ask
"Can I lay down with us?", obviously repeating our question of if she would
like to do something "with us". It is very difficult to explain the differences

to her because she doesn't have the language or cognitive skills to understand
the different concepts involved. Obviously, as a native speakers, she'll just
have to figure it out herself.

I endured grammar in grade-school and high school, and not until college, when
people bagan talking about linguistics, did any of it make any sense. I knew
that I knew the rules from just plain being around and using the language. I
blew a job interview for a high school English position when I got into an
argument with the ass. (pun intended) principal about the "need" for teaching
grammar.  It never made a bit of difference in my reading or writing skills,
except maybe the "i before e except after c" stuff, or at least any difference
that I could determine.

So. A bit of reading in linguistics improved my knowledge of linguistics.
Studying rocks made me a better geologist. Both are interesting, and I gained
a bit of vocabulary, but I'd be hard pressed to say that my language skills
have improved as a result of either of them.

***
And speaking of comic books, I picked up some English language "Mahabharata"
comix at an Indian grocery in Pittsburgh.  Now, I never read the book , but I
saw a third of the play (which was pretty good), and watched the movie (which
stunk); what's the opinion of our resident experts on these comics? How do they

compare to Classics Illustrated or various Christian comics for accuracy? (I
always laugh to see blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jesuses in such publications.)

Les
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: America's Cup

Anne Harwell wonders how many spare booms the America's Cup teams
brought with them.

The Japanese have at least four, if you count the spare back at the
dock, and the ones they could borrow from their older boats.

The Italians have five boats to borrow parts from, and the
America**3 program can borrow parts from JAYHAWK and DEFIANT.

Team Dennis Conner have one spare.  They did a marvelous job
replacing their mast during the quarterfinals, after their main
mast broke.

Steve Karlson

(vcr programmed and primed for KANZA v. STARS & STRIPES, NIPPON v.
IL MORO DI VENEZIA, and NEW ZEALAND v. VILLE DE PARIS this aft.)
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