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From: urbina@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: 21st Century Soldier
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:36:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.misc

In article <1992Sep15.164207.9086@cas.org>, sdr57@cas.org writes:
> In article <BuMIpL.KE2@acsu.buffalo.edu> caross@acsu.buffalo.edu (Christian Ross) writes:
>>
>>On a side note...
>>An interesting idea I once heard was EMP bombs, which would use flux
>>compression to generate a wideband microwave/uhf pulse. They detonate an
>>explosive which slams an iron core into a charged inductor. How you configure
>>the coil I would expect would make the field directional, but as to technical
>>details such as size of pulse and the exact mechanism I'm not sure.
>>
> I think the EMP bombs were a British idea - the last I heard, they had
> lost funding because no one could come up with a task for them
> that couldn't be done by alternative (and available) means.
> However, that was gossip, so research may still be going on.
> 
>>Supposedly fluences of 1 Watt/sq. Meter is enough to damage unshielded
>>microwave diodes, and within a couple orders of magnitude you start frying
>>automobile ignition systems, etc...
>>
>>--
>>Christian A. Ross                |               Student (Physics/Mathematics)
>>caross@acsu.buffalo.edu          |     State University of New York at Buffalo
>>--

>> "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire



In the same vein,  I remember reading in Nasa Tech Briefs about Hypervelocity
cannons using magnetic flux compression without the cumbersome pulse power
requirements. It was a great design.

Also in a defense rag about two years ago, they mentioned Emp countermeasures
concepts of Fluidics ( similar to electronics but using extremely high pressure
hydraulics, intricately machined to perform  as amplifiers, resistors, etc as a 
fluid context.)  and fiberoptics.

Our sister Lab LANL is doing feasibility studies with DARPA on powered
exoskeletons for low intensity conflicts.

I too remember laser illuminators that can be used to blind the adversary on
ground and in the air. I believe  some army lab is working on this.

I also believe they were working on some miniature railgun concept, portable
enough for the regular grunt to carry using superconductor technology.

That's my 2 cents worth.....

Guy

Urbina@Novax.llnl.gov
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Arthur C. Clarke - L. Ron Hubbard Bar Bet
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:27:59 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben) writes:

>>I heard, that Scientology is the result of a bar bet between Arthur C
>>Clarke and L Ron Hubbard about who could create the weirdest religion.
>>Clarke took it literally and wrote a book, L Ron Hubbard created a real
>>religion.
>>
>>a)	Is this true?
>>
>I don't know whether it is true, but somebody told me this story
>yesterday. He didn't say it was with A.C. Clarke though.

    Well, this is the story that I heard, and it was supposed to be with
A. C. Clarke. If you want the real scoup you should ask this question on
alt.folklore.urban.

>I have just had the misfortune to read the first book of the Mission
>Earth dekalogy.  The main character is so sickeningly _nice_ and good at
>everything that he is totally unbelievable.

    Of course he is totally unbelievable. The whole series is a satire
of the Sci-FI/Space opera mind candy/fluff that writers produce in
droves.

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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Arthur C. Clarke -  L. Ron Hubbard  Bar Bet
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 12:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.125640.14147@sniap.mchp.sni.de>, Mathias.Koerber@ap.mchp.sni.de (Mathias Koerber) writes:
|> hello,
|> 
|> I heard, that Scientology is the result of a bar bet between Arthur C Clarke
|> and L Ron Hubbard about who could create the weirdest religion. Clarke took it
|> literally and wrote a book, L Ron Hubbard created a real religion.
 
 As several people have pointed out, this isn't exactly the way it happened. 
However, it is well known that Kibology and the Church of the SubGenius resulted
from a bet between Kibo and J.R. "Bob" Dobbs to see who could create the cult 
with the most slack. The jury's still out on the winner.
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From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: WANTED- Planet Names from SF
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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francis@dogwood.atl.ga.us (John Stracke) writes:
: In article <CHRISB.92Sep14114657@lynx.ps.uci.edu> chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus) writes:
: 
: >From Hitchhiker's Guide: Magrathea
: 
: Frogstar Worlds B and C, Eroticon Six, Krikkit, the planet that got
: rid of all their telephone sanitizers (name?)

Golgafrincham, as I recall.  Perhaps a bit long for a computer name, though...

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Subject: Re: WANTED- Planet Names from SF
From: kzin@netlink.cts.com (Ian Burrell)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:50:53 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

 
>I am trying to put together a list of fictious planets for use as
>names for some Sparcstations.  Our current set are named for the
>planets of the Sol System, and I thought it would be neat to have the
>rest be named for other planets.  Unfortunatly I can only think of a
>few.  Can any one help.  Please email to cut down on the bandwidth.
 
I went through a phase a while back where I collected every planet name
from science fiction that I could find.  I now have a fairly large list
of planet names, authors, and book titles.  I will mail anyone the
complete list if they want it.  It includes stuff from Poul Anderson,
Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, Alan Dean Foster, David Brin, Lois
McMaster Bujold, Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and more.  Now, I am
just going to post a selected list of my favorites and the ones most
suitable to naming something.
 
    Aeneas
    Artemis
    Asgard
    Aslund
    Aurora
    Avalon
    Beowulf
    Caledonia
    Diomedes
    Escobar
    Esperance
    Excalibur
    Felicity
    Freya
    Halcyon
    Haven
    Heaven
    Hermes
    Kraken
    Landfall
    Leonardo
    Loki
    Midway
    New America
    New Europe
    New Ireland
    New Scotland
    New Washington
    Niflheim
    Nirvana
    Nyanza
    Odin
    Outpost
    Pern
    Regulus
    Roland
    Solaria
    Sparta
    Sphinx
    Starkad
    Tanith
    Thor
    Valhalla
    Vixen
    Woden
 

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From: jtisdel@digi.lonestar.org (J. Michael Tisdel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: WANTED- Planet Names from SF
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:26:29 GMT
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In article <MUFFY.92Sep13232639@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.183750.740@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown) writes:
>> I am trying to put together a list of fictious planets for use as
>
>Arisia and Eddore (from E.E. Smith's Lensman series)
>Perelandra (Venus), Malacandra (Mars), Thulcandra (Earth), Glundandra
>(Jupiter) (from C.S. Lewis' space trilogy) 
>

Dagobah, Tatooine, Alderan, Endore -- Star Wars

Talos IV, Rigel XII, Deneb V, Ceti Alpha V, Ceti Alpha VI, Kronus -- Star Trek

Galifrey, Logopolis, Skarro, Traken, Osirus, Voga, Telos -- Doctor Who

Gor -- Gor series

WeMadeIt, LookAtThat, Ringworld -- Niven's Known Space series


	
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From: chevron@access.digex.com (chevron)
Subject: Re: (?) Blade Runner - Director's Edition
Keywords:  Blade Runner, scott, director, cut 
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:31:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.090712.369@hhcs.gov.au> pihlab@hhcs.gov.au writes:
>
>Anybody heard anything on when the Director's edition of Blade Runner will hit
>the streets?

Here in Baltimore in the USA, the Director's cut opened this past
Friday.  It was quite good and I highly recommend it (if you
have any reason to trust _my_ opinion, that is  :-)  ).

Bruce:  Don't know when it's going "Down Under", but I hope you enjoy
it when it arrives.

Regards . . .

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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: 21st Century Soldier
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:39:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.164931.3439@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org writes:
>Iraqi units in Kuwait were well
>supplied with cheap portable antitank weapons, which could
>destroy our multimillion dollar tanks. It just didn't work
>out that way - combat can be unpredictable like that.

I recall a tv report saying Coalition forces had better range than Iraqi
antitank weaponry and could thus keep them at bay before they got into range.
Not really all that unpredictable.

ObAltCyberpunk:

Geez.  Cyberpunk is such a tired term, isn't it?  Cybernetics has been around
or ages, and the punk movement is long dead.  Oh, sure, people still use the
term "punk" today, but it's just not the same anymore.  I wish these media
people would get with the '90s.
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From: dant@techbook.com (Dan Tilque)
Subject: Re: Arthur C. Clarke -  L. Ron Hubbard  Bar Bet
Organization: Pseudopolis Yard
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:03:38 GMT

Mathias.Koerber@ap.mchp.sni.de (Mathias Koerber) writes:
>
>I heard, that Scientology is the result of a bar bet between Arthur C Clarke
>and L Ron Hubbard about who could create the weirdest religion. Clarke took it
>literally and wrote a book, L Ron Hubbard created a real religion.

[You mean Clarke took it literarily; Hubbard took it literally.]

There's a newsgroup for discussing Scientology (I think it's called
alt.scientology or maybe alt.religion.scientology) and they have a
fairly well written FAQ about it.  To summarize: no one seems to have
made a bar bet.  Hubbard did make some vague comments about how the
easiest way to get rich would be to found a religion and that's about 
all.

I saved a copy of that FAQ but I'm not exactly sure what I did with it.
I'd probably have to upload it, so maybe you'd better ask in the other
newsgroup.

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From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Space Race (was re: Yet Another Misleading Cover)
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:59:50 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <9209120007.AA15858@rutgers.edu>, IBC6HSR@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU ("hari ramachandran") writes:
> And a question:
> 
> Regards Caroline Cherryh's latest paperback: Heavy time <I think>.
> The credits do not mention the cover artist. Who was it? The art
> is intriguing - two men holding a third, near a port. What is
> nice is that the racial features of the men are very diverse.
> I haven't read the book yet to find out if the cover matches the
> plot.
> 
> hari
> hsr@uclaph.physics.ucla.edu

I looked on the jacket of the hardcover (same art) and the artist is
Don Maitz.  As far as the action pictured on the cover, it is of the
initiating event of the story:  two belt miners find another man near
death in a derelict ship.  The characters in her Union/Alliance novels
tend to come from a variety of races, and _Heavy Time_ was no
exception.

Brings up an interesting point:  I would date _Heavy Time_ around
2100, with the rest of the Union/Alliance novels about 100 years later
(I think).  As I remember from this story, some of the characters were
born on mining ships and bases in the belt.  By the time of the later
novels most of the characters on the Alliance side of the Line were
born on stations or merchanter ships.  Would one expect racial
diversity to survive among the stationers and spacers?  I would expect
not, based on the experience of most European ethnics in 20th century
U.S., a very mobile society.  Are European ethnics not representative
because of common appearance and culture?  Those of African background
have certainly not undergone anything like the sort of mixing that
Europeans have, but their history in this country (slavery) may have
made them an anomaly.  Asians and Hispanics will be the next test on
this.  Will they integrate into the broader society and lose a sharp
ethnic diversity, or will they largely remain separate?

I can't remember race being much of a factor in any of Cherryh's
stories; it's just a part of the landscape.  I am thinking
particularly of Musa, the senior engineering tech in _Rimrunners_.
(Although on thinking about it, he was born on Earth and went into 
space in the STL era.  Ain't time dilation wonderful?)
Unless the theme of an sf work is racism (and these often deal with
alien races) I can't remember too many works where this issue is dealt
with.

Colony worlds would tend to maintain the ethnic identity of the
founding group.  Generation ships would rapidly become mixed.
Family-run ships, such as Cherryh's merchanters, require social
customs relating to marriage/parenthood to insure genetic diversity.  


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From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: 21st Century Soldier
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:42:07 GMT

In article <BuMIpL.KE2@acsu.buffalo.edu> caross@acsu.buffalo.edu (Christian Ross) writes:
>
>On a side note...
>An interesting idea I once heard was EMP bombs, which would use flux
>compression to generate a wideband microwave/uhf pulse. They detonate an
>explosive which slams an iron core into a charged inductor. How you configure
>the coil I would expect would make the field directional, but as to technical
>details such as size of pulse and the exact mechanism I'm not sure.
>
I think the EMP bombs were a British idea - the last I heard, they had
lost funding because no one could come up with a task for them
that couldn't be done by alternative (and available) means.
However, that was gossip, so research may still be going on.

>Supposedly fluences of 1 Watt/sq. Meter is enough to damage unshielded
>microwave diodes, and within a couple orders of magnitude you start frying
>automobile ignition systems, etc...
>
>--
>Christian A. Ross                |               Student (Physics/Mathematics)
>caross@acsu.buffalo.edu          |     State University of New York at Buffalo
>--
> "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
From: meltsner@crd.ge.com (Kenneth J Meltsner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Arthur C. Clarke - L. Ron Hubbard Bar Bet
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:30:58 GMT
Reply-To: meltsner@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research and Development Center



In article <2AAFC765.24424@ics.uci.edu>, dmcelroy@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
(Denise McElroy) writes:

|>>>>I heard, that Scientology is the result of a bar bet between Arthur C
|>>>>Clarke and L Ron Hubbard about who could create the weirdest religion.
|>>>>Clarke took it literally and wrote a book, L Ron Hubbard created a real
|>>>>religion.
|>>>>
|>>>>a)	Is this true?
|>>>>
|>>>I don't know whether it is true, but somebody told me this story
|>>>yesterday. He didn't say it was with A.C. Clarke though.
|>
|>>    Well, this is the story that I heard, and it was supposed to be with
|>>A. C. Clarke. If you want the real scoup you should ask this question on
|>>alt.folklore.urban.
|>
|>I saw a discussion of this supposed "bet" a few months ago on
|>alt.folklore.urban, only the bet was supposed to be with Robert
|>Heinlein, not Clarke. In the end, the consensus was that this
|>was all just another urban myth.

Since several famous science fiction writers (I can't remember which
ones -- this happened at a NY sf writers' club meeting, not a bar)
described this incident in detail, including time and place, I tend to
believe it actually happened.  The discussion turned to religion, and
one writer said, "If you want to get really rich, you should start
your own religion."  Hubbard (as the story goes -- we don't know if
this was the real genesis for the idea) took him seriously.  Not to be
weird, but to make money.

It is true that John Campbell fell for Dianetics in a big way, to the
point of having authors rewrite stories to fit better with the
Dianetic way of thinking.  Bester and others have documented this bit.

I'll try to dig up actual cites in the next day or two.

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Subject: Starving Children
From: daniel.moran@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Daniel Moran) 
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: daniel.moran@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Daniel Moran) 
Distribution: world
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system@kryton.UUCP (Scott Beckstead) writes:

SB>Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.  If he's constantly waiting for
SB>a handout he has no time to go out and gewt his own food.  The handout has
SB>to be tempered with a hand up.  (anti-liberal that I am I prefer letting
SB>the hand up be enough and wait for nature to sort out the bloody details)

Well, there may be no justice in the world, but sometimes there is
irony. With any luck you'll have the opportunity to be on the receiving
end of one of nature's bloody details some day. Have a nice day. :)
From: cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Mists of Avalon
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Does anyone know the status of making _Mists of Avalon_ into a movie??
Thanks for any info.

__________

     "Only the mediocre are always at their best."
		   Stuart (Not A Liscensed Therapist) Smalley
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From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: NYC Blade Runner Person
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:38:11 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

Hey people.... 
     Anybody in N.Y.C. want to go see the re-release of Blade Runner? 
It's the "director's cut" and is supposed have a different ending and
previously unseen scenes. 
     E-mail me if you want to get togther for this.


JackJ8Ja
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: WANTED- Planet Names from SF
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:23:05 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Sep14.164802.17162@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, puckett@lambda (Jim Puckett) writes:
>NIVEN
>Jinx
>Home
>WeMadeIt
>Plateau (Mt Lookitthat?)
>Wunderland
>Canyon
>Kzin
>Persephone (the Other tenth planet)
>Pak

Down
Cue Ball

Did he ever give a name to the planet in "There is a tide"?  I don't remember
if the Pupeteer home worlds were named, but you might want to check
_Ringworld Engineers_ to make sure.  Also check "The Soft Weapon" to see if
the planet that story (mostly) takes place on is named.  There's probably 
additional planets named in the _Man-Kzin War_ books.

The planet that "Safe at /any/ speed" takes place on is named.  There's also
the story about the humans that kidnap a Kdatlyno(sp?), the title of which
escapes me for the moment.  That planet is also named, as I recall.

-- 
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From: damelio@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vincent D'Amelio)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:46:54 GMT
Subject: Looking for writers...
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc



	Well, this is my first time posting, so please bear with me....

	I don't know if this is the place for this, but I am looking for
people who would be interested in co-writing a sf/fantasy story.  By 
co-writing I mean that each author would take turns adding to the story
(say a page or so) and then pass it on to the next author.

	If anyone would be interested, please e-mail me.

	Thanks,

	Vince D'Amelio

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From: francis@dogwood.atl.ga.us (John Stracke)
Subject: Re: WANTED- Planet Names from SF
Organization: National Science Center Foundation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:11:46 GMT
	<MUFFY.92Sep13232639@remarque.berkeley.edu>
	<CHRISB.92Sep14114657@lynx.ps.uci.edu>

In article <CHRISB.92Sep14114657@lynx.ps.uci.edu> chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus) writes:

>From Hitchhiker's Guide: Magrathea

Frogstar Worlds B and C, Eroticon Six, Krikkit, the planet that got
rid of all their telephone sanitizers (name?)

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