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From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:28:04 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <HGORK.92Sep4125336@zenon.iesd.auc.dk>, hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh) writes:
> 
> 	- Who are the most (internationally) well known newzealanders,
> 	  such as actors, singers, authors, athletes a.s.o.? (I known
> 	  Ngaio Marsh, Kiri Te Kanawa, and Peter Schnell.)
>
How about...

Sam Neil (Actor), Sir Richard Hadlee (Cricket), The All Blacks, Sir Edmund
Hilary (First to reach top of Everest), David Lange (Told Yanks to get f**ked
with their nukes), John Walker (Athlete). Etc. Etc. Etc...
 
> 	- What are the most interesting and/or best foods (dishes),
> 	  beer, wine, and other things to eat or drink? (I known the
> 	  fruits (kiwi, tamarillo,...) and I know pavlova, of course.:-)
> 

Fish and Chips, Marmite, Waikato Bitter :)

> And one more thing:
> 
> 	- Which do you think are the best (english) guide books on New
> 	  Zealand? Both in general and for specific purposes, such as
> 	  trekking, fishing etc.? And which are the best maps?
>

NZ Lands and Survey Maps for Tramping.
 
> ...and off the record:
> 
> 	- Is it "a guide book about New Zealand" or "a guide book on
> 	  New Zealand"???
> 
> If you have an opinion/knowledge about any of the above, or about
> anything else that you would like to tell an amateur guide book
> author, please email me - or post here if your comment is of general
> interest. I'm: hgork@iesd.auc.dk
> 
> Thanking everybody in advance
> 
> Regards 'gork
> --
> 
> 	   Shift to the left
> 	      Shift to the right
> 	         Pop up, push down, BYTE BYTE BYTE!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: hart@donald (James A. Hart)
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:58:37 GMT

graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat) writes:
: hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
: 
: >Awful Beer? You have no taste!
: >Add Steinlager to the list... 
: 
: Well, I agreed wholeheartedly with your previous endorsement of Waikato, but
: Steinlager? It *is* bloody awful!
: 
: -- 
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: University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits

I thought that was spelled 'Swinelager'!  8-).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:20:19 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington

In article <1992Sep7.091112.6622@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.043131.2671@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>,
>meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>> In article <1992Sep4.150343.29258@news.columbia.edu>,
>> pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:
>> >
>> >Actors: Sam Neill.  (can't think of any others)
>> 
>> Actors: Jenny Lealand
>> Director: Peter Jackson
>
>Director: Vincent Ward (also wrote Alien^3).
>
>Can anyone confirm/refute the idea that these people are NZers? ...
>Joh Bjelke-Peterson (sp?),

Born in NZ but he's probably an Aus citizen by now.

>Bob Hawke,

Don't think so.

>Richard O'Brien (wrote Rocky Horror Show).

Yep.

>> ... New Zealand Saviougn Blanc, Chardonnary
>
>Ahem.
>If you're looking for these in an alphabetically arranged bottle store,
>try Sauvignon and Chardonnay. :-)

Some high profile NZ wines:

Te Mata Coleraine, Awatea, Elston Chardonnay
Goldwater Estate and Stonyridge Larose from Waiheke
Collards Rothesay Chardonnay and Chenin Blanc
Martinborough Vineyards, Ata Rangi, Dry River Pinot Noirs
Hunters Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc

Some big producers - Cooks, Corbans, Villa Maria, Vidals

andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Good on youpost
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:29:24 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

smk1@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>I too have pondered this NZ/OZ expression.  Instead of saying that something
>you did was good, it seems to imply that something you are wearing looks
>good on you.  I don't know.  But then I'm not a Kiwi. - Summer -

What do you think of "good for you" then?

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Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: new zealand vacations
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:32:07 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <4181251@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
> Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:
>> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
>> > Christchurch is a city, thank you.
> 
> Bit like its "river" -- they call it a river, but it's really a stream.  8-)

Well, I wouldn't like to try jumping over it! Christchurch also has a 
number of streams, some of which you can jump over. The Avon River, which 
Don refers to, is actually big enough for yachting on at its mouth, where 
it merges with Christchurch's other river, the Heathcote. If you want some 
bigger rivers, try the Waimakariri just to the north, and there are plenty 
of others nearby.

How many rivers are in Hamilton, Don?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
From: Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 11:05:59 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:

> In article <HGORK.92Sep4125336@zenon.iesd.auc.dk>, hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitt
> > 
> > 	- Who are the most (internationally) well known newzealanders,
> > 	  such as actors, singers, authors, athletes a.s.o.? (I known
> > 	  Ngaio Marsh, Kiri Te Kanawa, and Peter Schnell.)
> >
> How about...
> 
> Sam Neil (Actor), Sir Richard Hadlee (Cricket), The All Blacks, Sir Edmund
> Hilary (First to reach top of Everest), David Lange (Told Yanks to get f**ked
> with their nukes), John Walker (Athlete). Etc. Etc. Etc...
>  
Add: Brian Gould - high profile British Labour Party politician.
high profile there.
 
Split Enz / Crowded House - Kiwi Rock bands.
 
Robert Muldoon (now deceased) - internationally known if not loved 
politician.
 
I'm sure we could add more.
> > 	- What are the most interesting and/or best foods (dishes),
> > 	  beer, wine, and other things to eat or drink? (I known the
> > 	  fruits (kiwi, tamarillo,...) and I know pavlova, of course.:-)
> > 
> 
> Fish and Chips, Marmite, Waikato Bitter :)
> 
 
Well I reckon Bluff Oysters and Nelson Scallops were so good I emigrated 
here. The beer is awful, but the wines -- oh the wines -- are like the 
nectar of the gods.
From: torii@scslwide.sony.co.jp (aiko aiko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: snow condition in NZ
Keywords: snow condition, Christchurch, NZ !
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:26:09 GMT
Organization: Sony Corporation, Tokyo, Japan


Can somebody post the latest skiing info in the southern Ski Area ?

thanx in advance !
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Info about Universities
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:21:26 +1200
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <8SEP199211214547@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>, kaytes@bpa.arizona.edu (Kregg Aytes) writes:
> 
> Hello, all. I'm interested in possibly seeking a faculty position at a New
> Zealand university. I've found out about all I can from my university's
> library, so I was wondering if some of you with experience at any of the
> schools in New Zealand might be able to give me some additional info. I'm
> interested in such things as:
> 
> - how might the seven universities rank as far as "prestige" (however that
> might be defined!)?
> 
> - which of the universities have the better business (commerce) schools?
> 
> - what are the relative benefits of the communities that the universities
> are in (Auckland vs. Dunedin, etc.)?
> 
> - *ANYTHING* else you can tell me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kregg Aytes
> KAYTES@BPA.ARIZONA.EDU

	And into the valley of death I go,  posting answers bound to set up
a flame-fest.
	The Universities are said to figure much like the British ones,  in 
terms of degree quality etc.  Many lecturers are internationally well-known
in their fields.  There is much controversy these days as the govt f**ks
around with things in the interests of penny-pinching.  Examples:  the 
University Grants Committee has been abolished,  and universities have to
apply for and justify any govt funding.  the prime criteria for getting money
will be 'benefits to some aspect of the community',  i.e. immediate results
and revenue-creation are impt criteria,  and by allocating funds the govt can
effectively choose what is and isn't taught or researched.
 Uni lecturers here are paid less than
most other lecturers overseas,  and the pressure is on in places to hold
summer schooling for full-fee paying students in order to make more money - 
and stuff the private research that normally goes on then.
	Indications in some areas are that as well as accounting for such
expenses as photo-copying etc,  uni depts will also have to pay for such
things as lighting and power bills.  The dept I'm in will soon be charging
the miniscule costs of emails to the users also.
	Note though,  that these are largely govt-inspired actions,  the uni
community as a whole is very close and keeps on plugging away.
	Common stereotypes about campuses/lifestyles are:
	Auckland - snotty,  big cityish,  egotistical.
	Waikato - conservative, pleasant if you like the country etc.
	Massey (Palmerston Nth) - party and sheep oriented.
	Victoria - big cityish but oh so cultured
	Lincoln - small and countryish - lots of potential
	Canterbury (Christchurch) - ummmmm
	Otago (Dunedin) - arty, very close, rather riotous at times (literally)

That's all I've got to say,  I've got to go and answer some libel suits.

Jonathan.
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ news to 29 August
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:12:58 GMT
 <RCBC.92Sep3162159@honir.cs.cornell.edu> <1992Sep3.212319.12776@ncar.ucar.edu>
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
> In article <RCBC.92Sep3162159@honir.cs.cornell.edu> rcbc@cs.cornell.edu writes:
> >In article <QedYXGu00j_HEIOCFg@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
> >
> >>   > Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 4-Sep-92 NZ news to 29
> >>   > August Alan C. Operations@csc.c (7625)
> >>
> >>   >  The storm, billed as the worst natural disaster for decades, caused
> >>   > havoc throughout the region. 
> >>   ....
> >>   > Christchurch residents awoke to 10-30cm of snow in the city with deeper
> >>   > drifts in the suburbs. 
> >>
> >>   Look, I don't like to sound mean or anything, but that's hilarious.  If
> >>   10cm of snow is the worst natural disaster in decades, then ChCh must
> >>   indeed be the idyll I remember,
michael, christchurch - idyllic!! the place is a hype of activity. Mind you
I come from just out of Nelson, so my viewpoint is probably biased.

> >
> >Yeah, I've been holding my tongue on this one too. Another posting said
> >something like "we couldn't even go outside and make snow-men because it
> >was only 2 or 3 degrees".
> >
> >Let's see, a couple of years ago here in Ithaca we had a daytime
> >temperature of -25 C. Mind you, inside in the energy-unconscious US it's
> >always a pleasant 20 C.

and in christchurch very few homes are centrally heated, most people use
electric heaters and the power was off over much of canterbury at various 
times.

most of the city problems were caused by the fact that it very rarely
snows in christchurch, so no-one was prepared for it. Lots of people lost
roofs, there was flooding within a day as the snow started melting and slush
piles blocked gutterings, the volume of runoff was huge.

> Why don't you guys both wake up and read the original articles properly? It
> was quite clear that the "worst natural disaster in decades" was a
> reference to the huge losses in stock suffered by the farmers, and hence
> the NZ economy as a whole, NOT any minor inconveniences suffered by the
> general populace. 
> 
> Andrew Manning
>
From: cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Winston Peters and the computer disc case
Date: 16 Sep 1992 01:45:18 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Reply-To: cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Today Winston Peters gave an interesting speech on electoral reform
at Victoria University.  Towards the end he mentioned the Paul White
case.... he said he wasn't prepared to give his government the
information supplied to him by White because of all the hassles he
had in getting the information (late night visits to Auckland and
then back to parliament by 7am etc ..) - sounds a poor excuse.

He said the claims by the Serious Fraud Office that there was no
information of interest on the discs were "absolute lies", and
that the information was "dynamite".  There are still 4 discs
which have not been accounted for.  One thing he mentioned as being
on the discs was a Citibank (New York Office) report that
the BNZ was in serious trouble and how this contradicted statements
by National and Labour that they knew nothing about the BNZ problems
(this was apparently reported on BBC radio this morning).

He also repeated allegations of large payments by the Business
Roundtable to politicians in the Labour govt (which he claimed
David Lange had admitted) and the current National govt.  And that
the Business roundtable had written government policy for both
National and Labour.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:31:31 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: soc
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <1992Sep4.150343.29258@news.columbia.edu>, pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:
>In article <HGORK.92Sep4125336@zenon.iesd.auc.dk> hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh) writes:
>>
>>Hello, all you well informed fellow news readers!
>>
>>At the moment, I am preparing the second edition of a Danish guide
>>book about New Zealand that I wrote four years ago ("New Zealand
>>rundt"). The publisher (and I) would like additional information
>>about a couple of issues, and I would like YOUR opinion on the matter
>>- apart from my own and from the usual looking up in books. The
>>questions are:
>>
>>	- Who are the most (internationally) well known newzealanders,
>>	  such as actors, singers, authors, athletes a.s.o.? (I known
>>	  Ngaio Marsh, Kiri Te Kanawa, and Peter Schnell.)
>						 ^^^^^^^
>That's Snell, not Schnell.  
>
>Actors: Sam Neill.  (can't think of any others)

Actors: Jenny Lealand
Director: Peter Jackson
Writer: Micheal Guy - writes annually NZ Eating Out Guide.
                       
>>	- What are the most interesting and/or best foods (dishes),
>>	  beer, wine, and other things to eat or drink? (I known the
>>	  fruits (kiwi, tamarillo,...) and I know pavlova, of course.:-)
>>

New Zealand Saviougn Blanc, Chardonnary

Wine Makers: Kumeu River, Matua Valley, White Cliff, Montana, Morton Estate,
Vidals, Esk Valley, Martinborough....plus more

Beer: New Zealand Gisborne Gold

Food: Nothing beats a traditional good old Kiwi Roast or a piece 
of fillet steak, however vension is making an impact.

New Zealanders are moving away from the more traditional food with lots
of ethnic food cafes opening Thai, Malaysian, Indian, Mexican, Lebanese,
Tex New Zealand novelle cusine are popular.

>>And one more thing:

>>
>>	- Which do you think are the best (english) guide books on New
>>	  Zealand? Both in general and for specific purposes, such as
>>	  trekking, fishing etc.? And which are the best maps?
>>

The Automobile Assocaiation has some good guides to Motels, Hotels,
Walks and all sorts of stuff in New Zealand. The best maps I have
found are the Wyse's North and South Island Map books.

>>If you have an opinion/knowledge about any of the above, or about
>>anything else that you would like to tell an amateur guide book
>>author, please email me - or post here if your comment is of general
>>interest. I'm: hgork@iesd.auc.dk
>>

Good luck with your book.
Cheers

--
Red
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: cost-of-living
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:37:47 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Distributed Systems Group, Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington
Keywords: standard-of-living, wages, prices

In article <1992Sep14.132746.813@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley) writes:
...
>The cities (Auckland, Wellington at least) are specifically designed to
>shit on cyclists - motorways, and the drivers really have it in for you.
>
>You can Mountain Bike round Wellington, but you need the MTB for most
>of the cycle ways and steps. 

Certainly mountain bikes are popular in Wellington but it's possible
for a normal bike as well.  The motorists aren'ttoo good but that's
probably the case in most crowded city with busy streets.  Wellington
also has *a lot* of hills.  The center of the city is pretty flat but
just about anywhere else requires a climb.  At least it keeps the
exercise level up.  Also be prepared for the windy conditions in
Wellington.  Sometimes you can coast uphill with a stiff northerly
behind you and sometimes you have to struggle to get down hills :-).

Don't be put off by the horror stories ... a lot of people cycle all
over NZ.

andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: 19 September referendum
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:34:38 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>National is trying to paint a picture of aloof and arrogant list MPs swanning
>about ignoring the public.......well.....they would do so at thier electoral

Don't they do that now?

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Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: gill@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gill Dobbie)
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:04:54 GMT

john@pyrmania.pyramid.com.au (John Sims) writes:

>>> In article <HGORK.92Sep4125336@zenon.iesd.auc.dk>, hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitt
>>> > 
>>> > 	- What are the most interesting and/or best foods (dishes),
>>> > 	  beer, wine, and other things to eat or drink? (I known the
>>> > 	  fruits (kiwi, tamarillo,...) and I know pavlova, of course.:-)
>                                                  ^^^^^^^

>I realise I'm in danger of
>a) starting a flame war (undesirable)
>b) being told to get a life (probably accurate)

>but.....
>Can we get this straight ? (please)

The posting just said that pavlova is one of the most interesting or best
foods to eat in NZ. Nowhere in the posting did it say that the pavlova was
first created in NZ.

gill
From: atmbnl@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Why does spring start so early?
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:26:30 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Sep4.022420.20652@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, bw@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bruce Waldman) writes:
> Why does spring start on 1 September in N.Z.
> while it is still summer in the Northern Hemisphere?
> Canterbury snow aside, isn't this a bit jumping
> the gun?

Still summer in the NH, you've got to be kidding! If this is summer, it's
very very sad! 

-- 
Bryan Lawrence

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Questions, please read
From: rjm@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Raymond Moss)
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:22:12 +1200
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.

In article <2AAD447D.5598@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, hart@bashful (James A. Hart) writes:
> How can any collection of 'interesting' foods of New Zealand not mention
> the infamous 'palonie' (spelling?) 8<).

Question - what's a 'palonie'??

Ray [%-)
 
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From: v068mwnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (THE VISION)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: FREE TRADE WITH A FREE QUEBEC
Keywords: FTA, NAFTA
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Are there any opinions out there about a free trade agreement between the US, 
Canada, maybe Mexico, and a FREE Quebec?  Do you think it would work?  Why or 
why not?

Please back up your opinions with facts and statistics, NOT heart-felt emotion.

Living without boundaries,
Jesse (a New Yorker by birth, but a US citizen by passport)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos)
Subject: Re: Ontario $11 billion debt
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:41:21 GMT

Actually, the current Ontario DEFICIT is $11 billion. The total debt
is approximately $50 billion (give or take $5B). I don't think this
figure includes the debt of Ontario Hydro. By the time the NDP is
booted out of office (2-3 yrs from now), Ontario will have a debt of
at least $70 Billion.

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