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From: shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Saying from "Thunderbirds"
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:25:33 GMT
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I don't think F.A.B. stands for anything in particular, it's just that
"FAB" was a particularly groovy thing to say in the sixties.


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From: gschlesi@scott.skidmore.edu (Christopher Robin)
Subject: Re: Return of the Transformer Toys
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:19:56 GMT

vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:

> 
> Not IMHO.  Actually, some of the newer figures were quite nice.  I admit the
> Micromasters and Action Masters were shoddy (although the comic had a good
> explanation in the works for the Action Masters), but ... there were some good
> ones.
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Actually, the newer ones had been quite terrible.  They stopped
changing into anything identifiable.  Plus they started making every
thing with all plastic instead of the use of some metal which made it
feel as if there was actually some quality being put into it.  

							-C.R.
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From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: BTAS: prime time
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.185935.1647@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.023253.23975@b30.ingr.com>, mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
>> 
>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>> First Catwomam episode
>
>Noooo!!!!  That episode was bad!!  :-)
Well, a Catwoman episode.  She's such a good character.

>
>> I'm sure I missed a couple of good ones.
>> But, I deliberatly left out "Heart of Ice" ( see previous post ).
>
>A half-crocodile man

[rationalization mode on]
He was born that way and he doesn't look much like a crocodile.  He may
have been obsessed by crocs at an early age and started imitating them.
[rationalization mode off]

Killer Croc does strain credulity, but not nearly as much as Mr. Freeze.
I included Vendetta because it is otherwise an excellent episode.

>                     and a mind control device that works by placing a
>circuit board near the victim's ear are more realistic?  
Why not?  It can broadcast electrical fields.  Nobody really knows how
the brain works, but it is a set of electrical fields.
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From: bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan)
Subject: Re: Saying from "Thunderbirds"
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:36:52 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <7125@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J) writes:

>I don't think F.A.B. stands for anything in particular, it's just that
>"FAB" was a particularly groovy thing to say in the sixties.
>
>
>--
>Look up, Look Down, Look at Mr. Frying Pan - SPLAT! - 
>---> Antony J. "Doppelganger" Shepherd - shepa@essex.ac.uk <---
>Freedom for Tooting!

It meant "fabulous". Really! (And yes, they abbreviated it because F.A.B.
sounded like a groovy thing to say.)

B.A.

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From: tpgemma@eos.ncsu.edu (TIMOTHY PETER GEMMA)
Subject: Re: WANTED: STAR BLAZERS
Originator: tpgemma@c00013-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tpgemma@eos.ncsu.edu (TIMOTHY PETER GEMMA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:26:22 GMT


A friend of mine ordered a Japanimation catalog offering a large range of
anime material.  They offer 39 StarBlazers tapes with 2 episodes a tape for
$19.95 a tape.  I myself am ordering the first 2 tapes.  If you want, I'll ask
him how to get a copy of the catalog.


Tim Gemma
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:18:40 GMT

In article <n118at@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>  I won't even mention the junk from Central Park Media...

Actually, CPM is releasing GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES, one of the films I
recommended earlier.  They're supposed to come out with it sometime
in '93.
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From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 06:09:55 GMT



Seems like you didn't even "read" the stories.  You look at the character
designs and go on.

Not one single plot point do you mention about Beautiful Dreamer.  Not one
single mention of the story being an allegory of what exactly IS reality
and what ARE dreams, and what dreams are.

For those of you who actually want to KNOW what the story is about, instead
of taking the word of someone who obviously spent as much time reading the
plot as Bill Clinton's taken to get on both sides of several issues, here is 
a fairly brief synopsis.



         The story begins with everyone at Tomobiki High preparing their
    individual classrooms for the Tomobiki High School Festival.  Only one
    more day till the festival.  The next day, everyone is busy once again
    preparing.  Only one more day till the festival.  Only the school's
    hard-nosed teacher, Mr. Onsen Mark seems to be showing some strange 
    effects.  After being sent home for exhaustion, Onsen had arrived to
    find his house in a state of ruin as if left alone for twenty years.
    He tries to explain this to Sakura, and they formulate a plan to break
    the chain of events.  Failing in an attempt to send everybody away from
    the school, and trying to discover what is happening in Tomobiki-Town,
    the group discovers that their town is floating in space on a giant
    turtle, similiar to an ancient japanese "Rip-van-Winkle" fable.  While
    Ataru, Lum, Megane & Co. live and play on in the town now devoid of 
    people, Sakura and Mendou discover they are all caught in a dream world
    created by the "Dream Demon", Mujaki.  But whose dream is it?......



Btw, 
	THE LITTLE MERMAID HAS MORE SCANTILY CLAD GIRLS IN IT THAN 
BEAUTIFUL DREAMER!!!!!!!



	Above all else, Urusei Yatsura is a COMEDY you IDIOT!, there are 
supposed to be jokes in it, and at my last count, you can count the 
number of jokes that involve Ataru's lechery on one hand and still have some
fingers left.  

	The whole balance between an intriguing story and slapstick-like
comedy is what MAKE Beautiful Dreamer so good.


the "review" (stretching the term) posted previously shows what little if
any interest in actually WATCHING the shows and shows only to prove that 
indeed this person can spell "slut".

Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
 
  
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From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Subject: Re: Disney reviews (Max fashion)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:05:51 GMT




Opinion has nothing to do with your thread about Beautiful Dreamer, 
misrepresenting th eFACTS of what IS IN the movie, is.

Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  04:24:14

 BB> Whoa.  Backtrack.  When did anyone *ever* try to pass off such obvious
 BB> sexploitation anime as "quality stuff?"  Wasn't me. 
 BB>  Any of you people?

 BB> No one is claiming that all anime is wonderful - it has its share of
 BB> crap just like everything else.  We obviously get into differences of
 BB> opinion over what it worthy of merit.  

>Animation in my opinion is something special 
>(afterall it take lots and lots 
 BB>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of drawn pictures to do a feature) and it is sad 
>when they have to draw up
>prono animation (especailly lesbians) or make junk 
>with lots of blood and gore
>without redeming value.
 Well there are people I have seen on other nets that are quite into prono
anime and think it is the greatest thing around.  And I think you might be
forgetting about the Central Park Media thingy with "I Give My All",
apparantly they thought that piece of prono was good enough to subtitle here
as on of their initial releases!!    I thought these companies were supposed
to release the better stuff coming out of Japan... Hmmm...
 BB> "Not quite established?"  Animation has been around 
 BB> since *at least* the
 BB> 1910s - I wouldn't be surprised if some deranged 
 BB> cartoonist, eyes agleam,
 BB> was experimenting since the camera was invented, or 
 BB> before ("I've invented...
 BB> THE FLIPBOOK!!").  That's almost as long as live-
 BB> action have been around.
 BB> Seems pretty well-established to me.
 That is true that animation has been around since way back... HOWEVER, do you 
want to go through another animation "drought" like in the early '80s when
Disney did ZERO stuff and all  you had were Tom & Jerry re-runs and poor
Saturday Morning stuff that wasn't worth mentioing?  
 Quality animation like the recent Disney movies and stuff like Miyazaki is
just starting to make in impact on adults and this is a trend we hope to
continue.  Not to mention other good stuff like Robot Carnival and Nadia.  But 
we must also not start going into overly using animation for "girls with guns" 
or prono or else we will turn off many of these adults who are watching
quality animation features.  Many of them watch animation as a means to
"escape into a fantasy like world" and they don't it to see crap like blood
and gore or needless prono showing girls as sex objects.   The recent Disney
movies do this perfectly.  If we start messing up animation with too much
prono and "girls with guns" we could blow everything and it will be right back 
to the early '80s with very little in terms of good animation coming out. 
People are looking for more mature animation, but prono and "girls with guns" 
isn't more mature at all.  And people will just end up thinking all animation 
is just for kids and teenage-fanboys.  Which is what most prono and "girls
with guns" and blood and gore anime/aimation is targeted to,
teenage-fanboys!!!  Really mature, eh?

--- Maximus 2.00
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Why is animation for kids?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:28:58 GMT

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>> While it is okay for children to stretch their imagination, it is not
>> so for adults who need to prove their responsibility and pragamatism
>> to society.

>So it is not OK for adults to show they're imaginative?  As a software
>developer for a major communications company, I can tell you that is not
>the case.


But we're not your run of the mill adults.  We're otaku.  We became animation
fans because otehr fans showed us, or we found a tape one day and decided it
might be interesting, or we never stopped watching cartoons, just expanded 
our viewing as we got older.  We're lucky.  Most adults think that once
they hit a certain age, they have to stop watching animation.  So they do, and
miss out on all the neat stuff because they have this preconception
of what it means to be mature, and they are too afraid or just unwilling
to break with that convention.  

Many adults have faced this fact, but due to conditioning, just can't get
past teh fact that these are drawings,a dn not real people, and therefore to
them just not believeable the way a live actor is.  If they can streach their 
imagination, they will, and will enjoy animation.  

The rest show their imagination in other, ACCEPTED, ways, as you pointed out.
Computers are definetly one of these avenues.  Certainly its okay for adults
to show their imaginitiveness, but those closed minded people of society
will never be able to accept the sort of imagination required by
animation as mature and adult.


that's my slightly muddled .02 insert-currency-of-your-choice-here


LJC
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:45:09 GMT

In article <n112et@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
> 
[Liked ROBOT CARNIVAL]
[Pans URUSEI YATSURA 2: BEAUTIFUL DREAMER]
[Liked NADIA]
[Pans ORANGE ROAD]

To Kevin Kline:
- I can see why someone who comes in out of the blue like yourself
  wouldn't understand (or even like) the ORANGE ROAD episodes released
  by AnimEigo, but the way you panned BEAUTIFUL DREAMER shows that you
  were more interested in finding "saucer-eyed macho sluts" (whether
  there are any or not) than in the actual story.
- If the "saucer eyes" with many reflections, strong female characters,
  and a few "risque" jokes disturb you so much that you can't even pay
  attention to the story, you'd be better off going back to Disney films.
  We'll let you know if a good (by your standards) film gets released
  over here.

[BTW, folks, his name isn't "Maximus 2.0".  That's the name of the
 BBS software he's using.]

P.S.  This has to be the first time EVER I've seen anyone think
Ataru is a wimp... :-)
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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Saying from "Thunderbirds"
Organization: University of Minnesota
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:55:16 GMT

Boris Ammerlaan (bammerla@cs.ruu.nl) wrote:
>In <1992Dec15.173056.852@cid.aes.doe.CA> ynecgan@cid.aes.doe.CA (Greg Neill) writes:
>
>>The question is, what does F.A.B. stand for? 
>
>Some time ago, they talked about this on BBC's "Points of View", and they
>showed a part of an interview with one of the creators, and she said that it
>just meant "fabulous".

Gerry Anderson used similar acronyms in his other shows.  In STINGRAY it was
"P.W.O.R." ("Proceeding With Orders Received"), and in CAPTAIN SCARLETT it
was "S.I.G." ("Spectrum Is Green").  I think there was one for FIREBALL XL-5,
too, but I forget what it was...

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From: lerouxm@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Markie Mark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why is animation for kids?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:55:44 GMT
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In article <1992Dec11.045257.24406@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1g8tqhINNge7@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, lerouxm@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Markie Mark) writes:
>> 
>> Why is a real tough question.  I beleive it is because Americans
>> have a need to beleive in the characters.  In a way they have to be 
>> convincing in order to be beleivable.  In an animated movie, some 
>> imagination is required to create a personal image of the characters.
>
>Care to explain that a little further?  I don't think I quite understand.

In all literature, there needs to be some sort of bonding between
the audience and characters in the story. (Unless, the story doesn't
have characters)  The audience must actually give a damn about
what happens to who/what is involved in the plot.  The easier it
is to relate to the characters, the more likely the audience will
gain some appreciation for what happens to them.

It is very easy to relate to an actor on the screen.  They 
walk, talk, and breathe like you or me.  One could actually 
imagine that such a person exists or did at one time.  Psychological
studies have proven that TV and movie characters seem more real
to intense TV viewers than true humans walking on the street.  

In animated TV, movies, etc., the characters are pictures moving on the 
screen.  They are no less real than Murphy Brown or the Terminator but 
they aren't flesh and blood either.  It takes some imagination to realize 
that the image is a representation of a person.  To children this is
easy and acceptable. But for adults it is silly and socially 
questionable.

More on this later....
 I have a final to run to.


 --Mark
In animated TV, movies etc., the characters are










>> While it is okay for children to stretch their imagination, it is not
>> so for adults who need to prove their responsibility and pragamatism
>> to society.
>
>So it is not OK for adults to show they're imaginative?  As a software
>developer for a major communications company, I can tell you that is not
>the case.
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From: fjohnson@busboys.rutgers.edu (Floyd Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: The only commissioned GI Joe regular
Keywords: Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:06:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

First off, am I correct that Hawk, the brigadier general, is the only
Marvel Productions Joe who was a commissioned officer? It seemed all
the other major characters were sergeants ("Shipwreck" Delgado had
equivalent naval rank:Chief Petty Officer).

Secondly, who in here thinks that Hawk was intended to be some sort of
role model to kids who'd like to be leaders? There are episodes that
show him off:trying to keep the morale of his personnel up despite a
rash of nightmares, having his own "worst nightmare" be leading them
to their deaths, and adhering to the standards demanded of them. The
last shows up in an episode in which he KO'd a renegade captain, then
dove off a sinking ship with him slung over his shoulder. 

In light of that, maybe he was designed to prove "forty isn't fatal".

I realize a lot of this looks like what I said when I griped about
DIC's treatment of the character.
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From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

To: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)

TF>Try to also keep in mind that the anime that shows up in this country
TF>is what the fans like.  And what the fans like and what's popular in
TF>Japan aren't always the same thing.  Some of my recent faves include
TF>more "light" cartoons like AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS (also known as
TF>THE ADVENTURES OF WILLY FOGG), MOTHER PANDA'S ANIMAL STORIES, THE

Someone who likes WILLY FOGG! Decent show. A shame they only released 8
of them on tape. There was a rumour that it had aired somewhere...


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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
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Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  04:04:22

 HD> Anime TV series viewer ratings (8/31 - 9/27 and 9/14 - 9/20)
 HD>   1. Sazaesan                        24.9 (Sunday night)
 HD>   2. Chibi Maruko-chan               21.2 (Sunday night)
 HD>   3. Dragonball Z                    20.3 (Wednesday night)
 HD>   4. Kiteretsu Daihyakka             19.3 (Sunday night)
 HD>   5. Yawara!                         18.5 (Monday night)
 HD>   5. Doraemon                        18.5 (Friday night)
 HD>   7. Sazaesan (rerun)                17.2 (Tuesday night)
 HD>   8. Bush Baby                       14.2 (Sunday night)
 HD>   9. Crayon Shin-chan                13.7 (Monday night)
 HD>  10. Marude Dameo                    11.2
 HD>  XX. Super Bikkuri-man                9.9 (Sunday morning)
 HD>  XX. Genji Tsuushin Agedama           9.7 (Friday night)
 HD>  XX. Dragon Quest Daino Daibouken     9.5 (Thursday night)
 HD>  XX. Ranma 1/2 Nettouhen              7.8 (Friday afternoon)
 HD>  XX. Ganbarugar                       7.6 (Wednesday night)
 HD>  XX. Mama ha Shougaku 4 Nensei        4.5 (Friday afternoon)
Chibi Maruki-chan?  Is that the series that is kind of like the "Japanese"
SIMPSONS?  I saw something like that on a "Current Affair" recently talking
about this girl who is just as bratty as Bart Simpson and it is a smash hit
over there!  The show looked pretty funny and didn't feature ANY saucer-eye
people or SLUT girls, nudity, bloody violence, etc.  If this is true, that is 
great to hear.  (And hopefully maybe these new subtitle companies will go
after that if they can.)
 HD> Ranma 1/2 and Lum are not sex-epics..  They are kids shows.
 They are???  You mean those 2 shows are aimed at children or teen-age/college 
age fanboys?  I would be shocke if they were aime at children considering the 
nudity I have heard in Ranma 1/2.  (I'll check and see how Lum is with
"Beautiful Dreamer").
 HD> # I would of thought it would of been the slut saucered-eye girls
 HD> # that show up in junk like Gall Force, Dirty Pair, 
 HD> Bubble Gum Criris, etc.  

 HD> If you only count boys in their 20's, then these are much more
 HD> popular.  But they are only a tiny fraction of the entire population.
 Doesn't suprise me at all that mostly boys in their 20's would be addicted to 
the slut girl stuff.  But why would they like stuff where the girls go out
into battle and "act" as thought they are standing up for themselves?  
 I did also notice a few familiar titles (like Doreamon) that I am glad to see 
are up there in terms of ratings instead of the slut girl anime stuff... (BTW, 
do you know what the rating is for Sailor Moon, I hope it isn't doing that
well.)

--- Maximus 2.00
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:32:00 GMT
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Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

To: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)

TF>Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
TF>> Was the Nippon Sunrise version (AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS/THE
TF>> ADVENTURES OF WILLY FOGG -Tim) ever shown here on US TV in any way, BTW?

TF>In another post, Ray Rooney mentioned that he had heard that it was
TF>shown, somewhere, but that's news to me.  Eight of the episodes were
TF>released on home video in this country, however.

I am not betting on it being shown. Some guy at a con claimed it had
been test-run (like Samarai Pizza Cats, I guess) on some station in CA.
Possible, but not confirmed.

The tapes *were* available from Sony Home Video.

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