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From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Re: Marvel's OK By Me
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:52:57 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr05.173159.15255@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...) writes:
>>>All of you Marvel-Bashers are probably wondering, "How can anyone actually
>>>like Marvel?"  Well, I'll tell you.  As I was growing up, I naturally fell
>>>in love with superheroes.  The concept is fascinating.  Also, the superheroes
>>>I grew up with were Marvel and DC's traditional heroes.  I never read comics
>>>before getting to college, I have to say.  I saw heroes on TV, etc.  I'd
>>>never heard of anyone called Shade, Cerebus, Sandman, or the Tick.  Therefore,
>>>I they don't really interest me.  Sorry.
>>
>>     Same here!  The first comic book I ever bought was The Incredible
>>Hulk #225 and then got hooked on the Gerry Conway/Ross Andru issues of
>>The Amazing Spider-Man.  These book all have their ups and downs but I
>>stick with them because they are like childhood friends.
>
>Doesn't it bother you when the characters are treated like shit?  What about
>DeFalco's crucifixion of the Fantastic Four?  It's like he has a vendetta
>against the book, and wants to destroy it on purpose.  It just keeps getting
>worse.  Marvel cuts down someone like Walt Simonson, and favors someone like
>Gruenwald or DeFalco.  What about Thor, Captain America, or Iron Man?  It's
>awful how they are being treated.  I love these characters, HOWEVER, I'm not
>going to buy the books when they are treated like they are now.  I boycott
>them so I don't send the message to Marvel by buying the book, that I like
>what's going on with my fav. characters.
>
>It really makes me sad.
>
>It's even sadder that people like you are so blind as to buy these stupid
>books and tell Marvel that everything's AOK.  Fools.
>

You had my attention for your first paragraph.  There's nothing wrong with 
differing opinions.  If you don't like Marvel and want to protest, that's fine.
I happen to like Marvel, and I see no reason for me to protest!!!!!!!
What really makes me sad is that you had to ruin a perfectly civilized thread
by calling "blind" and a "fool."  I guess some people can't help but be
obnoxious.  
					Mike Fan
From: ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Eric "JUICE" Fritzius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:41:42 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>In the latest issue of Aboriginal SF, Susan Ellison's film column has
>this comment:
>"Adding to the list of growing comic book translations are an animated
>_Elfquest:_The_Movie_ and a screen version of the successful DC comic
>_Sandman_, written by Neil Gaiman."


I'm not sure if I understand your post correctly.  Are you saying
that the article said that the Sanman movie would be
written by Neil Gaiman or are you saying that Sandman, by Neil
Gaiman, is being developed into a movie written by someone else.

The reason for my confusion is that Gaiman has recently said in
an interview, in either Wizard magazine or Comics Scene, that
he knew of the Sandman movie but would not be writing it
or in fact getting involved at all.  He did say he would
go see it.

JSA

>Is this true?  I would have assumed that if any such project was in
>the works, someone on r.a.c. would have known before the publications
>got word on this.  Anybody??

>-- 
>--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<--------------
>It is said that the gods play games with the lives of men. But what games, and
>why, and the identities of the actual pawns, and what the game is, and what the
>rules are--who knows? Best not to speculate. Thunder rolled... It rolled a six.
--
************************************************************
|ERIC W. FRITZIUS (aka JUICE S. AARON) ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu |
************************************************************
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: LSH: Dominators (was Re: Death of the Kree Empire?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:55:18 GMT

Karthik Sheka (kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu) writes:

>And what does this do to the explanation that the kree cannot mutate?  (In
>an X-Men annual about five years ago, it was explained that the kree could
>not advance genetically (as a race) because they failed a test of wisdom
>given by some crystal.

Perhaps this Horde-character also visits the DC universe, and that's the
explanation for the huge jump (not) in technology seen between 20th and 30th
century races such as the Dominators and the Khunds.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                             |     Every time I go to the beach, I have to
Jim Drew                     | smile when I see how ridiculous people look with
jrd@frame.com                | vivid white sunscreen just on their noses.  That
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | smile is the only way I can keep from laughing
"Innocent, but not naive."   | out loud.  When I went to the nude beach, and
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | saw where else that sunscreen goes, I almost
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | went into convulsions.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |        - Marc Lynx, "Once More Into the Briefs,
                             | 				Dear Friend"
From: rymarz@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Daniel Rymarz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: adamantium
Keywords: sdrowyeK
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:37:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Apr13.183731.6138
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
Brinnel hardness?
Izod impact?
Modulus of elasticity?
Melting point? 

How do you sharpen adamantium claws?

How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and 
have him come out smelling like a rose?


	
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From: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis)
Subject: Re: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
Originator: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
	<18693@ravel.udel.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:24:58 GMT

In article <18693@ravel.udel.edu> rschwabe@ravel.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe) writes:
 Come on now!  Don't dare tell me that this is a suprise to anyone who has '
 read the Titans since the begining of the Titans Hunt storyline began (unless
 you are one of those who doesn't read the letters page?).

There are, of course, those who might say that something like this
should have been foreshadowed in the book.  Things not being a
surprise because they've been foreshadowed in the story are indicative
of good writing.  Things not being a surprised because the editor
blabbed it in the letters page say more about the editor than the
writer.
-- 
R David Francis                         (Alternate addresses): rdf+@osu.edu
                                                            osu-cis!francis
B:If you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you believe?
R:Oh, Bullwinkle!           B:It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 05:44:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu:
>Considering all the hoopla in the Supreme Court...I was wondering if at any 
>time in comic history did the topic of abortion ever come up. 

Wasn't this the subject of the Inhumans graphic novel?
From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RAC SPLIT ? (I vote "NO")
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:30:45 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US


Hello Fellow RAC'ers,

Due to the large amount of posts and replies that is within RAC, I have
not seen the original post concerning a RAC split.  But from the RE:
I've seen concerning the subject, I can guess that people are asking
for goups that correspond to Marvel only, DC only, and Indies only.

I think this is not a wise decision, because alot of us who use this
directory like to probably follow up on the exploits of a favorite 
writer or/and artist, complain/compliment a publisher's marketing idea,
compare characters from one publisher to another, and stuff that one can
do if we have a large forum concerning just one item -comics.
I'm glad that there is a splinter group for those interested only in
strips (peanuts, pogo, blondie, etc.), I never thought they really 
belong to a group that mostly focuses on the comic book industry.  But
to splinter RAC according to publisher is just going with the by wishes
of those people who have 'kill' file capability.
When I entered into this directory the first time, I found a group that 
actually shared the same interest that I had -comics.  Though I read
and write to this group about Marvel alot, it doesn't mean that I don't
read abit from each publisher; splitting the group like this inconveinces
people like me, who like to keep track of any items in comics that is 
interesting.

If there is going to be a vote on this issue, please note me down as 
"NAY", "NO", "NADA", etc.


                               Thanks
                               Ned
                               St. Peter's College
From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Spider-Man
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:25:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12265@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes...
..deletions...
>	But the thing that bothers me about Spiderman is the fact
>that after all these years, which I estimate to be around 6 relative SM
>years (he's a graduate student so he is around 23 years old and he first
>got his powers in high school(?) so he should have been around 17) he
>hasn't become jaded or a bit callous.  He still seems to have that same
>boyscoutish attitude.  If someone like Frank Miller were to write a SM
>title I'm sure this attitude would change and a whole new more interesting
>SM would appear.


When you say "more interesting" above, don't you mean "grimmer and darker"?
i.e.  Spidey thinks life sucks, and beats the hell out of everyone just
because he feels like it?  I think we have enough of that crap in comics today.
I'll pass on Frank Miller doing Spider-man.

Just MHO.


________________________________________________________________________________

                                 -SPEED RACER-                    
                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
                                   WHOOP!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: X-Man Traitor
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.044313.18941@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> dhsu@Xenon.Stanfor
d.EDU (David Hsu) writes:
>How about Forge?  Since he can build almost anything, I'm sure he could
>build weapons to nail any/all of the X-Men... He has built a weapon to
>
>Also, Jean did say that Prof. X was the first to die.  Forge isn't on
>either of the teams and does seem to hang around with Xavier a lot.  I seem
>to recall him having this contraption which inhibited Xavier's powers while
>they were playing chess.  and I guess finally, he seems to be miffed about
>him and Storm, at least in the last issue.
>
Y'know as much as I'd hate to admit it (I like Forge), this makes since.

concider:

        Why have Forge use the mind scan inhibitor thingee in the chess game--
                Xavier wouldn't cheat, Forge would know this.
        The power's inhibited thing while the X-Men are killed

        The book's current writers aren't much for subtlety(?) (gosh who was
                really surprised that Bishop became an X-Man?)

It stands to reason that either the writers or (more likely) Harris
decided that Forge will betray the X-men (prob. cause Storm dumps him...just wat
ch).   Another character bites the dust.

BTW:  Dark Leech was a joke

------SCAVENGER

-- 
If some unemployed punk in New Jersey, can     |kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu <-I.NET
get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
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From: c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it)
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:49:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.061717.24917@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>"I am power incarnate!"

How about:  "Ah'm pretty darn near invulnerable when ah'm blastin'"


>--
>This is a newer version of the memetic .signature infection.  Now that's an
>idea.  Copy it into your .signature today!
>
>Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
>     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)

--
This is a newer version of the memetic .signature infection.  Now that's an
idea.  Copy it into your .signature today!

Mikel Bancroft 				c60a-dy@amazon.berkeley.edu
					mikebcg@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: morrison@eng.auburn.edu (Kelly Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Lost In Space #5 Last Panel...
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:52:24 GMT
Reply-To: morrison@eng.auburn.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


I don't know if the name in the last panel is a spoiler, so here's a control-L:


Who or what is "Tybo"? And what is its significance???
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?  (and Sam & Max)
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:08:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Apr13.084012.7294@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
> >I don't think I would.  Given Hollyweird's recent track record regarding
> >the transition of comic book characters to the silver (or phosphore) screen,
> >I think you'll understand why I hope this project will NOT be completed.
> >
> But what if the film were done by someone like Steven King, Clive Barker, or
> Wes Craven.

Then it would REALLY suck.  King and Barker are horrendous directors, and
Craven hasn't done anything decent since the early 80's.

> Or even better, Tim Burton

Spare me.  Please.  His weird is more wacky than mysterious.

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		   Disclaimer:  You're not dealing with AT&T.
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Subject: Batman 479-A Gotham Tale
From: dave@sofya.math.byu.edu (David L. Carlson)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 01:40:29 GMT
Reply-To: dave@sofya.math.byu.edu (David L. Carlson)
Organization: Brigham Young University -- Mathematics Department

Spoilers Ahead
























Well, it appears that DC actually did something unexpected--At least we didn't see the rescuers break through
the door and see three dead, whoops, sleeping bodies.  I have to admit, I, like the poster who presented the idea (
sorry, forgot your name) was expecting that as the "solution."

Does anyone know if the Gargoyle has actually appeared elsewhere, or is this a new character, written to be an
established part of the DC Universe.

Also, if I messed up the number or story title, I'm sorry--I don't have it here with me and it's been a long day.
From: rlawson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: THENET:  Do some net systems get priority over others?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:23:38 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	This post is not a
dicussion of comics.  It is
just a question on the system
that allows us to voice our
views.
	I've (jules) been noticing
for the last week that sometimes
a followup is posted on the Usenet/
Vax system before the original post
	Egg. Post #36728  on WILD
CARDS  was written on April 3rd
the directory said the date was
April 7th  and the followup
was registed on the directory
as Post #36719 and dated
April 7th

Anyone know why this happens,
Do some systems get priority
over others?

Thanks in Advance,
Ray Lawson
and Julian Castle (why waste $$ when you can mooch)
From: jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (James A. Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel 2093
Date: 5 Apr 92 15:29:19 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Apr.2.07.31.52.1992.20485@gauss.rutgers.edu> jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen) writes:
>the subject, you would know that instead of copying a gimic of their
>"Distinguished Competition" by having Marvel 2093, '94, '95..., Marvel has 
>decided to stick with Marvel 2099.  

Actually, I think the '93, '94 ... naming owes more to Buck Rogers than to
L.E.G.I.O.N.   

I don't remember the exact dates, but the old Buck Rogers strips used to be
titled "Buck Rogers in the year 24??"  where the last two digits were
changed every year to keep the setting exactly 500 years in the future.
Eventually, they settled on the name "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century".

This is much more similar to Marvel's original plan of keeping the titles
exactly 100 years in the future, than to D.C.'s practice.

							Jim
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:49:14 GMT

>And just to put aside any thoughts you may have--no, the demands for changes
>did not come from my editor, and they did not come from Tom DeFalco.  
>DeFalco, in point of fact, fought for the story (feeling that I had pulled 

WOAH, Harris and DeFalco doing something cool for a change.  Who'd of thunk it?

-----SCAVENGER
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If some unemployed punk in New Jersey, can     |kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu <-I.NET
get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: DC and Tops???
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 09:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.073721.22956@sarah.albany.edu> ad6861@sarah.albany.edu (Alex Diamantis) writes:
>
>	Has anyone heard anything about DC and Tops getting together to
>produce comic books?  Is this just a rumor, or did I miss out on 
>something?

Topps will be producing their own comics, but without DC's help.  Jim Salicrup
will be the line's editor-in-chief.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling, renegade and terrorist
University of Victoria Creative Writing Department
Opinions Disassociated

     "Uh, wooble."
         			- Captain E. Blackadder
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:08:40 GMT

wrlutz@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (William R Lutz) writes:

>Why did her powers work on Thor and not Loki?

	Well, you could say that they worked on Thor because he is a genuine
Asgardian and that they didn't work on Loki because he is a Giant of Jotunhein
(does anyone remember this, or does everyone think he's Odin's son???).
	Or you could say that Loki just has magic protection up the wa-zoo
and Rogue's "wimpy" absorption power won't get thru...take yer pick...

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From: morrow@fnalb.fnal.gov (I Elmo)
Subject: Re: Season of Mists. What was Lucifer's game?
Organization: bim bim bim!
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:39:34 GMT

In article <JEFFT.92Apr12224959@snoopy.mit.edu>, jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang) writes:
> [Lucifer's not-so-revenge on Dream]

        Lucifer was quitting, giving up all his responsibilities, everything,
including his vendettas.  When you abandon a throne, you could easily forget
about petty comeuppances.  He gave Dream the key, partly, IMHO, because Dream
was in the right place at the right time.
	I think Lucifer did not have any more specific plan for revenge in 
mind than giving Dream the key.  He knew that it would be a hot ticket and at
the least discomfit Dream.  At the worst, it could cause theomachy, which
would probably start in the Dreaming.  I think Lucifer didn't really care what
happened.
-- 
"On the campaign trail, the President tends to jerk his arms around a lot and
 speak in little bursts of sentence fragments that sound as if they might be
 part of some other conversation carried on by two other people somewhere else 
 on a different subject."
--Calvin Trillin

elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov,morrow@physics.rice.edu)
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From: francis@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis)
Subject: LSH:  Return of Mon-El???
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:38:43 GMT

I understand that DC is finally going to make everyone who misses Lar
Gand's old name happy.  In a future issue of WORLDS OF VALOR, Lar will
visit the Caribbean.  He'll meet up with a rastafarian band.  The
leader of the band, instead of calling him "Lar", insists on calling
him "my mon L"

:-)

(So I'm 15 days late; so sue me :-)
--
R David Francis                         (Alternate addresses): rdf+@osu.edu
                                                            osu-cis!francis
B:If you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you believe?
R:Oh, Bullwinkle!           B:It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith.
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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:14:52 GMT

In <MdsWpOK00WBLQ81FYZ@andrew.cmu.edu> Daryl Arthur Davis <dd34+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
Possible spoilers...

>I was reading in a recent issue of Preview magazine that in an upcoming
>issue of LSH the clone Legionnaires will finally enter the battle
>against the Dominion and several will be killed.  I don't know what
>issue number this is going to occur in, I think the issue after the
>issue where Shvaugh becomes a man.  But it appears fellow netter Dani
>Zwieg predicted this plot device correctly, and the letter to the
>creative team fell on deaf ears.  **SIGH**   

This rumor is precisely the opposite of the rumors that *I've* been hearing
about the clone Legionnaires.  Don't give up the ship.  I think that
everything is still rather up-in-the-air.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"I am a cat, and I keep my own counsel."
					- "A Dream Of A Thousand Cats"