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From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: what's up with 'beast'?
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:03:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan27.210343.19884
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <9301271556.AA07131@PCS.CNU.EDU> rglass@PCS.CNU.EDU (Randall Glass) writes:
> What's up with the Beast?  In a recent X-men (or was it Uncanny, I
>can't tell with all the recent "post-xcutioners" happenings) Hank
>was about to have a heart to heart discussion with the Prof until
>that glorious leader Cannonball bursted in.  I've been reading those
>Comic Shop News flyers as well as the Previews interviews featuring
>F.Niceiza (spelling?!).  He said that he had some major plans for
>the blue furball.  Also interesting is what Fabian wrote in the Beast's
>entry for "Stryfe's Strikefile".  "McCoy hasn't reached his full
>potential" (or something like that).  
> During X-song Hank started questioning his duty: to run around as the
>superhero or spend time behind the scenes (like when he was helping
>Xavier). (I've only read X-song once, so this analysis might be of
>a dream I had. haha).
> Any other Beast fans around here?

Yeah, ME!

I sincerely hope that, if Beast does relinquish active duty, that he at least
sticks around.  I'll be really disappointed if they boot him off the X-Men.
Beast has the perfect combination of intellect and humor.  I don't think that
Fabian would do anything rash like boot him off (knock on wood), or so I hope.


Lethal Weapon

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From: v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce)
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Subject: Re: Bring back Wolverine's new costume!
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <C1I628.99B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes...
>In article <93026.233642RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> <RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Does anyone out there besides me prefer the brown costume over the yellow
>>and blue one?
>>
>>Does anyone out there know what the storyline was that made Logan switch
>>back to his old costume and keep on it?
> 
>Well, the reason he had the "new" costume was pretty dumb.  The X-Men were
>fighting the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, and Wolvie's costume got blown away. 
>He goes up against a guy named Fang, and kicks his butt, taking the clothing
>so as not to offend the Almighty Code.  He never even TRIED to go back to
>the old one.  Funny, I kinda like it. 
>-- 
Not true.  Wolverine dumped Fang's outfit after maybe two appearances (I think
it was in an issue of Iron Fist, but I could be wrong).  The Fang outfit had
the same general color scheme as Wolvie's "new" costume, but there were
differences (skulls and teeth on the Fang costume, no mask, etc.)


                                    Ben
                                    aka Marvel_Zombie Lad
                                    Who also prefers the brown costume.
From: dmcclue@polka.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:28:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <16B609673.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> mason writes:
>In article <93023.054755SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
>Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
> 
>>Ok, I had a thought (and: No, the world didn't end).
>>When Nicholas (and, on page 24, _why_ is his name accentuated, are we supposed
>>to know him?) is talking about Kurt as a second-generation mutant, he says
>>"(big red) IF his parents were mutants as well as he...  ...he inherited their
>>warped gene as well as developing one of his own."  OK, now, Kurt is the only
>>teleporter I can think of off hand, so what does that leave?  Sticking to wals
>>and limited invisibility (speaking of which, has this ever been mentioned
>>before?  I don't recall it...  Is it mentioned in the Marvel Universe?).
> 
>The odds of a child of mundane parents developing a mutation is something
>like, what, 1 in 10,000 ?  If the odds of a mutant child of mutant parents
>developing a *second* mutation are similar, then Nightcrawler is a very
>rare bird.
> 
>I'm still dying to know what Kurt's relationship to Mystique is, exactly.


I think Davis is setting things up so we can find out soon.  I always thought
that she could be his Mother.  That would explain Kurt's appearance.  Maybe
his father was a mutant who could stick to walls.  So he got both powers and
developed his own mutation.  Another thing is that his father was a teleporter
and his ability to stick to walls and his tail/fingers/toes are his mutant 
trait.  

In the recent Future Present (I think that was what it was called) there was
a character who seemed to be Kurt's daughter (it was never explictly said).
She had Nightcrawler/Mystique appearance and was a teleporter.  It seems the
dark skin is a dominate trait in Kurt's family (even if Mystique isn't his
mother).

Rachel Sommers is also an example of a second generation mutant with an 
additional mutant power.  Rachel got her telepathy from her mother but her
own mutant power is time related, as recently reveiled by Alan Davis.

Luna, although having no powers, is a Mutant in a sense.  She has characteristics that
neither of her parents have.  Her father is a mutant, her mother is an in-
human, and she is human.


Patrick
From: msubu@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr E D G Robertson)
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Subject: Re: Nightcrawler and Excalibur #63
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:16:39 -0000
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In article <1k6r0sINNav5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:

|> I haven't seen the issue(s) you're tlaking about but...
|> I has been stated before that Capt. Britain's and Meggan's powers are linked
|> to the Emerald Isles so that should they leave England they would grow
|> progressively weaker.

	Ah, excuse me... 'Emerald Isles'???  The Emerald Isle is a term used to
refer to Ireland, not Britain...
	And forgive me for getting irritated, but I have this sneaking suspicion
that if Captain Britain and Meggan left England, and went to, say, Wales or
Scotland, that their powers /wouldn't/ decline...

	Sigh..
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From: weasel@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:13:42 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Is there anyone else who thought that Capt. Britain's loss of power, and then
his regaining it are connected to Phoenix?  I guess it lept into my mind when
Meggan mentioned that the 'light' had gone away and then come back again.  

I realize this once again goes against everything that has been said in past
issues of Excalibur, but it strikes me that they may be trying to form a
connection there for some undoubtedly inane reason.

Just want to know what the general consensus is...

--Mike

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From: lac@mars.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Lloyd Chalfant)
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin.
	<24JAN199309410131@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
	<1juinmINNpte@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:41:29 GMT

(Rick Jones) writes:

>	   Nightcrawler's invisibility in shadows is an old "power" of his
>   that hasn't been seen since the 120's/130's.  In Marvel Univserse, they
>   claimed that the depictions of him turning invisible were erronious, and he
>   really just blended in really well with the shadows. 
>	   But he really usetacould do that.

You're right, and for those who care, he did both the sticking to walls and 
blending in/invisibility thing even earlier, around Uncanny 102-104 when the 
X-men were fighting Black Tom and Juggernaut.  I was surprised when Davis
decided to pick up on this again.  People have said he has a reverence of sorts
for continuity, even discarded continuity, and I guess it's true.  As someone
else mentioned, is this the start of the mutant plague foreshadowed during the
Stryfe storyline?  If it is, how/why did it start with the Warpies?  If it
isn't, a plague storyline right before this supposed upcoming plague storyline
seems strange.
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:06:39 GMT

In article <74319@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Ohhh yes. The Comics Code is still very much around, lending censorous
>hand wherever there's an opportunity to do so.
>
>PAD

(Gee! His posts look like his dialogue!)

Well, most of us know that the Comics Code Authority still exists;
however, from what I remember, isn't adherence (sp?) to the Code voluntary?

Also, I don't suppose you have any stories about Code conflicts? Something
you wanted to do in a story but the Code wouldn't let you?

Jay (=

(gonna have to change my .sig soon...it's bordering on PAD worship!)

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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:34:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.024557.7705@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
>You've been warned...
>
>
>Well, kudos to Peter David for a novel way of getting a
>Bad Guy(tm) out of your hair, though I believe someone on the 
>net suggested something similar a few weeks ago.
>Paying him more than his employers paid him.  I love!
>
>Quick question, though...no followup on what happened
>to Val at the end of #87.  Was the end of #87 supposed to
>be just a joke, or was it real?  Or did something happen to Val --
>wwitness Jamie's (?) remark about it seeming like Val was
>replaced with an evil twin.  Of course, she could just be peeved
>still over Sampson telling her she knew nothing about the team.
>
>Anyone willing to speculate or say anything on this?

I think Val was replaced by a shapeshifter/clone from Genosha, so that they
can lure the X-Patriots and X-Factor back.  It seems to fit with the sudden
change of Val letting X-Factor go to Genosha and the last scene in the
issue.


Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |    one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    | By "recursion" I mean "defined by recursion".
From: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Lorna's (eeech) new costume
Date: 25 Jan 1993 05:09:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <74262@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Well, I'm not that wild about the costume either. 
>
>But who listens to me?  I just write the damned thing.
>
>PAD

OK -- you write the comic.  YOU!  _YOU_ can make Lorna all happy with
herself again and not feel the need to show off in this flashy new
costume.

Lorna's happy, YOU'RE happy, and, best of all, your FANS are happy.

How can you top that?  ;-)

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From: donovan@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Sean Donovan)
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Subject: Wolverine when he was dead
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:41:30 -0500
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In article <1993Jan19.040518.10801@news.columbia.edu> kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.
 edu (Karthik P Sheka) writes:

>Someone asked Claremont at a con what his plan was for the "Wolvie getting
>sick" plotline.  Claremont's answer was something along the lines of
>"Wolverine was going to die."
>
>Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
>kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |    one.
>karthik@cs.columbia.edu    | By "recursion" I mean "defined by recursion".

Was this the Boston con of several years ago?  I heard Claremont speak there, 
and he did say his plans were to kill off Wolverine PERMANENTLY!  Needless to
say, this set off a shockwave among the audience members.  It also made me look
like a real asshole to some friends of mine who still want to know when (like I
told them) Wolverine was going to bite it.
	I like Wolverine as a character when he's done well, but too often 
he's simply a Cuisinart with mall hair.  I would have missed him, but if CC
could make the death stick (kinda like Superman, right :) it could have been a
good story.

	-Sean.

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  Department of Psychology
  University of Massachusetts
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From: robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Costumes
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:16:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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Is there anyone that likes Polaris's new costume besides Quesada?  I think
it makes her look rather valkyrish with those huge metal shiny red boots.
(Valcooperish?  No . . . Like a Valkyrie!  Although . . .)  Quesada has done
a few other costume changes, like on Guido who if I remember correctly was
wearing some sort of light blue jobbie with the typical X-factor of old X
across the body . . . another casualty?  Is the era of the cool yellow and
blue rumpled leather costumes already nearing an end?  I personally thought
that the overall effect of all that leather and zippers was cool enough
to mount the X-factor (#81?) poster in my otherwise bereft room.  I would
like to see these come back, but I have my doubts on the possibilities of this.
Superheroes that aren't wearing skin-tight spandex may be more of a challenge
to draw without each and every muscle showing through because it's so 
uncommon . . . but it needn't be that way.
	But this gives me a suspicion . . . not only is Val acting funny, but
she's also wearing some wierd stuff (as seen in #88 . . . valkyrie like 
herself!) . . . perhaps her not objecting to the divergence from the X-factor
uniforms is because she's not in her right mind!  Once she gets fixed, all the
uniforms will come back =).  And how about getting an X-factor uniform for
Quicksilver (would he wear it if offered?), I think almost anything could beat
white lightning bolts across his chest and back.


	Other X-men:  Wolverine-although his blue and yellow costume fits with
team colors better, I always preferred his brown and tan (those colors are
more wolverine-like anyway (and that isn't the same costume as Fangs
btw . . . I'll have to check my classic x-men's to see if his costume changed
before #25).  Banshee also looks much better in his Irish green and yellow,
not blue and yellow (go figure).  I don't see why they have blue and gold
color conformity with Gambit and Archangel's  blue and pink, and Rogue's
yellow and green . . . ah, well.

Robear

"It was a typical Monday afternoon." --Glen Baxter

Any opinions expressed herein do not reflect those of the University of Texas,
and in fact, I don't think they have any. So there.--robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
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Subject: Re: X-Factor 88 (SPOILERS)
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:37:22 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> What, you mean the shapeshifter that Random creamed after failing to find
> something to shapeshift into?  Nah -- I have too much faith in PAD  to
> think he'd miss such an obvious conflict.

I dunno.  Mystique has been doing it for years.  And I thought it would be
quite interesting.

> As for an X-Patriot planned takeover, it wouldn't be in character.  I mean,
> Prodigal REALLY seems the type to take every factor into consideration 
> before making a decision, and he just doesn't know enough about current
> Genosha to plan a revolution there.  But, another Genoshan shapeshifter
> setting BOTH teams up for a fall would seem in order...
> 
Well Maybe they are desperate, like terrorists, or sumt'in...

> Just how many shapeshifters ARE there in the Marvel Universe, anyway?
> 
	At least a billion...  Remeber the SKRULLS  :)

							wReam...
						Ultimate Ninja of LNH!!
From: rramirez@husc10.harvard.edu (Robert Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: BOO-TAY!?!?! (Was Re: X-Men Intrigue)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:30:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan26.103039.19807
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan26.081638.6633@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>Ugh... spare me.
>
>Same goes for the rest of your observations. Scott Lobdell would have to
>be out of his mind (or have it sucked out by Bob Harras) to throw such a
>long, involved relationship out the window just to Scott can "get it on"
>with Psylocke.
>
>Jay (=

Come on now, do you REALLY think that would stop Mr. Lobdell and Mr. Harras?
Being out of their minds, I mean.

Lighten up!    :)

Seriously, though.  Sex aside, I think that the whole purpose of this
Scott-Betsy thing is an attempt to actually _strengthen_ Scott and Jean's
relationship.  Scott would fall victim to temptation (Psylocke), but then
realize, "What the hell am I doing?"  In the meantime, Jean realizes that
she's about to lose something special, and she's willing to fight her
competition to get him back.  Then Scott and Jean make up, get married,
and live happily ever after... you know, the usual fairy tale ending!
(Fished in!  Fished in!)

There.  Hopefully that should smother the flames.  :)

Peace,

R ^ 3

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-- Guido (Strong Guy), X-Factor #74

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: Cyclops wearing contact lenses
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:19:41 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>If I remember correctly, I rarely do nowadays, wayback in the X-Tinction
>Agenda plotlines, Scott and Alex had an all out fight when Havok was
>brainwashed(?) into being a Genosha magistrate.  I seem to remember Alex
>thinking (after he blasted his brother) something along the lines (it's
>so hard when you don't have the book next to you) of "that blast destroyed
>all his cloth, and should have destroyed him utterly, etc. etc..."
>
>I don't remember if Cyke was ever knocked off his feet, but that line
>seem to suggest that there's more to the Summers brothers' power than just
>knocking others around.
>						J.T.

Hurm... I always saw it as Havok still under the woozy-mind effect of
the Siege Perilous, and not knowing that his blast *wouldn't* hurt his
brother.

"Catch!"

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Subject: Re: Costumes
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:52:34 GMT

In article <1k6jicINNitm@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael) writes:
>across the body . . . another casualty?  Is the era of the cool yellow and
>blue rumpled leather costumes already nearing an end?  I personally thought
>	      ^^^^^^^
>Robear
>
>"It was a typical Monday afternoon." --Glen Baxter
>
>Any opinions expressed herein do not reflect those of the University of Texas,
>and in fact, I don't think they have any. So there.--robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>

Damn, you mean Val didn't get them some of those unstable molecules like the
prof. did for the rest of the X-people?  If not, I think it's great that
someone doesn't want that stupid thing in their book; if so, blahhh...

One more thing, the new costumes X-Force got at the conclusion of X-song,
were they suppose to be made out of unstable molecules?


							J.T.
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler, NCCS, and Excalibur #63
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:29:07 GMT
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Lloyd Chalfant (lac@mars.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Stryfe storyline?  If it is, how/why did it start with the Warpies?  If it
: isn't, a plague storyline right before this supposed upcoming plague storyline
: seems strange.
  This may be a continuation of the process started when Captain U.K. was sent
to another dimension.  At the time Roma said that it was her presence that was
causing the warpies to continue, and that her leaving would stop it.  It is
possible that the warpies are only reverting to human form.  The part about
them dying may be bull.  Brians power source, and the cause of the warpies,
are related ( i.e. an interdimensional nexus ), thus his loss of power may
tied to the warpies.

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Tue Jan 26 16:29:05 WET 1993
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