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From: steven@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Stergakis)
Subject: exporting card problem
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:52:25 GMT



i have a serious exporting problem... i am trying to export 
some of the card in my stack into word 5... the problem is that
the cards in my stac are 640 wide (across) and 480 long (down)..
the export function in the file menu (when the paont option is 
selected) only exports part of the screen.... is there a way where
i can export the whole card and then shrink it to fit into a word 5
doc...

heres what ive tried...

1) saving the card as an EPS and impoting into word 5 produces
a conversion error..

ive also tried saving the whole screen but that doesnt seem to work
since when i import the picture into macdraw, i cannot cut out the
bits i dont need ( i only want the card)

any ideas??

thanks in advance
steven
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Tutorials for hypercard (videos?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:18:03 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: MSUS

I'm aware of the books on Hypercard, but would like to
know if there is a video tutorial available for the
_new_ user, a nonprogrammer.
From: instone@bullwinkle.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Using QTime in Hypercard
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:07:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.Bw0KoC.Gr2
Organization: Bowling Green State University, Computer Science

In article <1992Oct11.202648.7848@massey.ac.nz>, news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
|> 
|> I don't know about the Apple/Claris QT XCMD set, but this is fairly easy
|> with Pictoids. The Pictoid Package is available on sumex, umich etc. It
|> also provides more than the Apple/Claris set. Free to most academics, see
|> license in package.
|> 

sumex no longer has the pictoids pacakge, just the update stack to 1.1. I was able to
grab the 1.0 files from the mirror site uhunix2.uhcc.hawaii.edu. 4 other mirror sites
claimed to have the 1.0 stacks (via archie) but they were not really there.

Perhaps this is an oversight by the sumex people, who thought the 1.1 update REPLACED
the 1.0 stacks? Or else they ran out of space.

-- 
Keith instone @ (hydra bullwinkle andy) .bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: Re: Message when switching applications
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:54:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard

In article <1992Oct14.101714.26740@mail.cornell.edu>, Don Lee
<DL10@cornell.edu> wrote:
> 
> I see from the HyperTalk Reference stack that the suspendStack message
> does not get generated when switching to another application under
> Multifinder (which I assume includes System 7's Finder).  Is there any
> way a stack can recognize this kind of event?  (Probably not, but I
> thought I'd ask...)

This is the way I do this and it's lots better than any of those other
suggestions:  ;)

on idle
  global lastIdleSuspended
  get the suspended
  if lastIdleSuspended = "" then put it into lastIdleSuspended
  if lastIdleSuspended and not it then send resumeHypercard to this card
  else if not lastIdleSuspended and it then send suspendHypercard to this
card
  put it into lastIdleSuspended
  pass idle
end idle

on resumeHypercard -- so that someone handles them
end resumeHypercard

on suspendHypercard
end suspendHypercard

The trick here is that these messages only get sent at idle time and they
are not foolproof.  If a script switches layers and the switches back, this
won't notice.  However, you can put the handlers anywhere you want and you
only have to have one idle handler.

Jon
From: sharvy@reed.edu (V Headshape)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Inverted text in HC
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:51:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct15.185148.21401
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1992Oct13.235641.592@oswego.Oswego.EDU> silliman@oswego.Oswego.edu () writes:
>I need a bg fld that is black with white letters.  I have tried to do this by
>selecting the text, but when i go to another card in the same bg the fld turns
>white. This is because it has to select the text on that card.  I then tried to
>lock the screen so that i could go to the next card, select the text,
>and then unlock the screen.  This doesn't work, because  unlocking the screen
>de-selects the text.  
>	Does anyone have any ideas?  Perhaps an inverted font or something? 
> 

I've achieved this effect by using an outline font in a transparent
field lying on black paint.
-- 
Liberate the Weirdoes and You Liberate the Squares
From: derthanq@oregon.uoregon.edu (Victor Der-Thanq Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Converting a HC stack to Linkway version
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.14OCT199214331645
Organization: University of Oregon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does any one of you out there know any way to convert a HyperCard stack into
a PC version.  I heard sometime ago that one could do that kind of convertion.
But I cannot recall the name of the program.

Any idea?   Thanks in advance.

Victor
derthanq@oregon.uoregon.edu
From: lyons@scri.fsu.edu (Jim Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Inverted text in HC
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:29:57 GMT
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Oct13.235641.592@oswego.Oswego.EDU> 
silliman@oswego.Oswego.edu writes:
> I need a bg fld that is black with white letters.

Put a transparent bg button over the field and set its hilite to true. 
Hope this helps.

Jim Lyons           [][]  Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
lyons@scri.fsu.edu  [][]  Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: a.hopson@trl.oz.au (Alan Hopson)
Subject: Request for Hypercard  Stack Format
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Organization: Telecom Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:51:19 GMT

We are currently producing a compiler stack which will produce a new
Hypercard stack from a simple application definition script. Our problem is
that the compiler is very slow (even on a Mac IIfx) in operation. 

One option to speed the compilation up is to write a stand alone
application to compile the script into the Hypercard stack. To do this we
need to know the internal file format of a Hypercard 2.1 stack.

Are there any Hypercard gurus out there who have access to the internal
format who would be willing (and able) to share it with us?

Please email any responses as our news feed is running up to a week behind.

Thanks in Advance

_________________________________________________________________________
Alan Hopson                        |  Voice: +61 3 253 6749  
Telecom Research Laboratories      |  Fax:   +61 3 253 6352 
P.O. Box 249, Clayton, Vic, 3168,  |  Internet: a.hopson@trl.oz.au  
Australia.                         |     
_________________________________________________________________________
From: shawn@cars.com (Shawn Connelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Inverted text in HC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:12:45 EDT
Organization: Connelly Automation Research and Services
Reply-To: shawn@cars.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <11111@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> (comp.sys.mac.hypercard), lyons@scri.fsu.edu (Jim Lyons) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.235641.592@oswego.Oswego.EDU> 
> silliman@oswego.Oswego.edu writes:
> > I need a bg fld that is black with white letters.
> 
> Put a transparent bg button over the field and set its hilite to true. 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Jim Lyons           [][]  Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
> lyons@scri.fsu.edu  [][]  Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
> 

You can, also, put a black filled box on the bg and then set the style
of the text to outline. Same effect.


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From: parshall@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Jim Parshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Two line buttons-is it possible?
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:45:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct12.215919.671@cs.uoregon.edu> maxn@obelix.cs.uoregon.edu (Max Napolitano) writes:
>I'm new to hypercard and I'm sure this question has been posted to this
>newsgroup more than once before, but I thought I'd ask.  
>
>Anyway, can a button label have a newline in it?  
>The label appears to be just a string of characters.
>C conventions like '\n' or '\r' don't work.  
>
>Thanks,
>Max

Max,

   Unfortunately, a true HyperCard button cannot have two lines in its title.
The easist way I have found to create a two-line button is to create a graphic
and the overlay a transparent button over it.  If the hilite property is set to
true, it will still invert and you will not have to do much more work...

Jim
From: 2034bang@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Steve Bang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: 2nd Party HyperCard Books-- i.e., How can I get TFM?
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.194733.1570@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> crawford@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James E Crawford) writes:

>I would recommend buying Danny Goodman's _The Complete HyperCard 2.0 Handbook_
>and/or Winkler and Kamin's _HyperTalk 2.0: The Book_. The latter has the
>advantage of being available as a remainder at stores like Waldenbooks
>for around $5.00.

>Both are excellent references for anyone doing scripting.

Danny Goodman's book is good and very thorough and the
Winkler/Kamin book is great (enough if you have to pay
full price), but most people exploring HyperCard and
HyperTalk scripting for the first time would be much
better off buying George Beekman's book, "HyperCard 2.0
in a Hurry."  Beekman's book is far less intimidating
in size and gives a very quick overview of the possibilities
of HyperCard without scaring off novices.  The explanations
are clear and entertaining enough so that if you start the
book, you'll almost certainly finish it -- which is terrific
for a tutorial book.

If you haven't bought the HyperCard Development Kit
and want to get off to a great start on HyperCard,
buy Beekman's book, get a great introduction to 
HyperCard and beginning HyperTalk scripting, use the
terrific online help/reference stacks (which include
great examples of how to code), and then look into
the Goodman and Winkler/Kamin books as great references.
Also, grab as many good examples of HyperCard stacks
as you can, look at the scripts of the features you
want to copy, and make sure that you have fun.
 
--
Steven K. Bang                              !  The empires of the future
Sciences-Engineering Library                !    are the empires of the mind.
University of California at Santa Barbara   !      
e-mail: skbang@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu             !           -- Winston Churchill
From: parshall@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Jim Parshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Speeding up scripts?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:52:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <15282@claris.com> James_Zuchelli@qm.claris.com (James Zuchelli) writes:
>I have a script that reads 6 numbers from each row in a field and then
>matches the numbers and to a list in another field (if the first item of 
>row x is 5 then add 1 to x... etc.)
>I have around 400 rows of 6 numbers and it takes 45 minutes or so to go 
>through them.
>
>Is there a faster way to do something like this?
>
>James Zuchelli
>------------------

James,

   First of all, keep in mind that referencing data in variables will always
be faster than referencing data in fields.  So, load your data into a
variable first, then manipulate it.

   There's other tricks to speeding up code also.  Is your data on only one
card?  If it is not, there is currently an argument occuring regarding whether
going to a card or referencing a card is faster.  Since I have better things
to do then get involved with that intellectual argument, I won't make any
comment here... :)

   If you're code is small and you want my opinion, mail it to me.  I
may not have a chance to review it for a few days though...

Jim
From: Johan.Palm@iri.su.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Wanted - HC system/stack
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:23:54 GMT
Organization: University of Stockholm

HYPERCARD CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM WANTED

I m looking for a HyperCard system/stack with wich I can divide certain items
into categories in which every category has a label and a number (1,2,3...).
Every category should then be divided into sub-categories (1.1, 1.2, 1.3...).
Eventually some of the sub-categories should be divided into sub-sub-categories
(1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3...). The items will always be situated and described at
the end of the chain (i.e. in a sub-group or a sub-sub-group).

From every item there should be a possibility to give a reference to another
group/sub-group/sub-sub-group/item.

The system has to be very flexible; undergroups could be deleted or added and
the system should adjust itself to that (i.e. the numeric classification etc.).

Is there such a system? I don t think I can design one myself, so a positive
answer would be nice.

Answer to:
Johan.Palm@iri.su.se
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: Don Lee <DL10@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Difference between HC 2.0 and 2.1
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A70368E94801EC42@cu-dialup-0224.cit.cornell.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18: 28:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: dl10@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:27:37 GMT

Steven L. Mullen, mullen@aries.scs.uiuc.edu writes:
>The general feeling on this newsgroup seems to be buy Goodman's Complete
>HyperCard rather than buying the developer's kit from Claris.  This seems
>like a good idea to me, since I already know how to get to userLevel 5. 
My
>Mac came with HyperCard 2.1, and Goodman's book is about 2.0.  My
question
>is "What is the difference?"  I assume there are only minor differences
and
>that the book would still be a good investment.  Please comment.
------
According to the "New Features" stack for HC2.1, the biggest difference
appears to be support for AppleEvents.  [There are a lot of little
differences that I won't repeat here.]

Here's a [possibly] useful list of keywords:

New Messages:
appleEvent
errorDialog

New Commands:
answer program
lock message
request
reply

New Functions:
the programs
the systemVersion

New Properties:
dialingTime
id of window
itemDelimiter
lock error Dialog
the address
the name of HyperCard
the owner

Don Lee (DL10@cornell.edu)
From: ISW@cup.portal.com (Isaac S Wingfield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: gunshy
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:54:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

The old, venerable game "gunshy" doesn't work under HC II; is there an 
easy fix?

Isaac   isw@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Two line buttons-is it possible?
From: clas005@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:43:04 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

> I'm new to hypercard and I'm sure this question has been posted to this
> newsgroup more than once before, but I thought I'd ask.  
> Anyway, can a button label have a newline in it?  

Yes, that's a FAQ, because everyone wishes it could, but no, it 
can't.
> 
> If the answer is no, then how to do you create a multi-line button?
> Do you use a field and then edit the script and treat it like a 
> button(a total hack :-))?  If this is the case, then is there any
> EASY way to make it look like a button and invert itself when pressed?

If you think this is a hack then there's a lot of stuff you won't 
like about HyperCard. What you actually do is make a field or 
buttons or just plain graphics or whatever you want, that looks 
like your button; then you make an invisible button (Transparent) 
that goes over it. When this button inverts, it will invert what 
is behind it. 

This layering technique is essential to HC; that's 
why I don't think it's quite fair to call it a hack. On the 
contrary, people don't take advantage of it enough; you can use 
it to do a lot of neat stuff.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: rose@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: IBM HC clones
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:33:06 GMT

In article <ceqQn5a00WB58YN1Y2@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm7f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe Melvin) writes:
> 
> What's the current word on HyperText programs in that lovely IBM world?
> 
> Dos?
> 
> Windows?
> 
> OS/2?  (which, btw, looks to FINALLY be a good answer by IBM to the Mac
>         interface)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe


Just received Guide 3.1 from OWL International, Inc.  This is a MSWindows 3.1
version of a hypertext package.  I'm going to try to transfer my 2200 card
Hypercard bibliography to this system.  From first viewing, it looks good.
OWL's number is 1-800-344-9737.

Jim Rose				rose@stsci.edu
From: James_Zuchelli@qm.claris.com (James Zuchelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Speeding up scripts?
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:53:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Claris Corp

I have a script that reads 6 numbers from each row in a field and then
matches the numbers and to a list in another field (if the first item of 
row x is 5 then add 1 to x... etc.)
I have around 400 rows of 6 numbers and it takes 45 minutes or so to go 
through them.

Is there a faster way to do something like this?

I have thought of putting the numbers in a holder instead (maybe faster to 
compare than in a field) and of course I've thought of buying a Quadra ($$$)

Eventually I will have around a thousand rows of six numbers to compare.
 
Anyway, any ideas on how I can make things go faster?

James Zuchelli
------------------
the above is my opinion and not that of Claris Corp or my Employer.
From: bayes@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Scott Bayes)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:05:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Why no mouseUp?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard

> The problem in general ist, that NO messages are around, as long as the
> mouse is pressed (I believe, this is a general macintosh problem: all
> processes stop, when I press the mouse...) However, a button recieves a
> 

I seem to see mouseStillDown and mouseWithin after I click on a button,
and exit the mouseDown handler, while the mouse is still down.  As well,
the function "the mouse" returns "down" and can be interrogated in a
loop like:

on mouseDown
  repeat while the mouse is down
    -- track mouse, or what have you
  end repeat
  -- do something else when mouse goes "up"
end mouseDown

I just used the above to implement a "slider" control that also sets the
button position to the nearest "detente" when the mouse becomes "up".
So you can drag a pointer button smoothly against a tick-marked scale.
When you release the mouse, the button jumps to the nearest tick mark.

Btw, is this good human interface, for the button to move smoothly while
the button is still down, then jump on release?  Or should the button
jump to the nearest stop even while mouse down, and have to be hauled
over the thing in a series of staggers?  Most paint and draw programs
seem to tend to the latter behaviour when grid snapping is on.

ScottB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Re: compile-it
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 13 OCT 92 17:28:12    

In article <oeqQlBq00WB58YN18f@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm7f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe Melvin) writes...

> 
> 
>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Compile-It, or a similar
>utility?  Are there any copyright problems with using this in a stack
>you are going to sell, if one cites the author of Compile-It on an
>About... screen?
> 
>Joe

Compile-It is published by Heizer Software.  I think they have an 800 number.

Hope that helps, Catherine
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: NJTaber@MITRE.Org (N. J. Taber)
Subject: Re: Show/hide menubar
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:17:43 GMT

On 12 Oct 92 02:29:40 GMT, gasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nathan Gasser ><>  
) writes:

> In article <67529@cup.portal.com> David_Greg_Herlihy@cup.portal.com 
writes:
> >Does anyone know how
> >one could construct a button to toggle between showing and hiding
> >the menubar?
> 
> You could keep a variable containing the state of the menubar.

The following button script seems a lot simpler - it just types the 
keyboard equivalent for <cmd>-<space>, which toggles the menubar on and 
off.

  on mouseUp
    type " " with commandkey
  end mouseUp

Since <cmd>-<space> toggles the state of the menubar, there's no need to 
check the menubar's state to use this handler.

I hope this helps!
N. J. Taber

Reply to:  NJTaber@MITRE.org
From: jkc@Apple.COM (John Kevin Calhoun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Preserving Text-styles
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:55:37 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


In article <1992Oct12.165829.28009@serval.net.wsu.edu>
yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:
>
>The current implementation of styled text in Hypercard does not permit
>styling in variables. I guess the developers of HC would say, "Yes,
>you're asking too much."  Perhaps the nest version...

Speaking as one of the developers of HC, let me say that, yes, you're
asking too much of HyperTalk, which by design can only handle data that
can be represented as ASCII text.  We need a language that can handle
arbitrarily-typed data, and when we have such a language it will be a
snap to implement support for storing styled text in variables, as well
as pictures, numbers represented in binary forms, etc.

If no such language were available or soon to become available, then
I'd say that it would make sense to enhance or re-implement HyperTalk
so that it can do these things.  I have no idea how many compatibility
problems that would introduce, however, and I hope that I never have to
find out.

In the meantime, I vote no on HyperTalk and yes on Plan A.

Kevin Calhoun
jkc@apple.com
From: James_Zuchelli@qm.claris.com (James Zuchelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: It lots faster now!
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:39:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Claris Corp

I had asked how to speed up my processing of numbers that I had in rows in 
fields.  I put the numbers into a variable and the time went from over 45 
minutes to less than 5 minutes.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and ideas.

James Zuchelli
-------------------
The above is my opinion and not that of Claris Corp. or my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard