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From: loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Chord questions
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:52:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Jul30.155223.25687
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul30.122907.2673@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
>
>	For all those theory gods out there in netland I have a request and a 
>question. First the question:

I'm far from being a theory god, so I'd appreciate any real theory gods
to point out any mistakes I make in this response.

>	I was fudging around on the guitar last night and I was trying to
>overcome my lack of chord knowledge.  I was using the Guitar Handbook and
>was going through their discussion of chord creation.  I was trying to
>figure out what the following chord is:
>
>	xoo  o
>	------		------
>	||||||	      V |1||11
>	----2-		------
>  	|||3||		||||||
>	------		------
>			||34||
>
>
>	In the D maj scale this is I,II,V,VI construction, which is (and I
>am guessing) a the triad with an added 6th and no 3rd, which my friend 
>tells me is like a Dsus2 or something of that nature.  So What IS IT???


I'll tackle the second chord since it's easier to analyze.  You have
BbFBbCF.  If you had included the first string being fretted at
the first fret you would have FBbFBbCF and I would consider F the root
and call the chord Fsus4.  But without that extra F, I'd consider Bb
the root and call the chord Bbsus2.  In my first interpretation the
chord is suspended because there is no 3rd (A), but a fourth is present
instead (C).  In my second interpretation it's suspended because there
is no 3rd present (D) but there is a 2nd present instead (C).

The first chord is a little trickier.  You've got the that 2 sitting right
on the first fret, so I'm assuming it's supposed to be a C.  ADACE would
be could be Amsus4 if you wanted to think of A as being the root, but you
still have a 3rd present (C) so this is probably wrong.  If you wanted I
suppose you could call it an Am/D or Amadd4 since you've got the 1st,
3rd, and 5th for the Am and are just adding a 4th.  This doesn't seem
satisfactory though.  Now, if you consider D the root note things might
be a little bit easier.  You've got the 1st and 5th but no 3rd.  So
we've got ourselves a supended chord.  You've got a seventh (not a major
seventh, the C).  And you've got that blasted E sitting right there 
(a 2nd).  So you could call it a D7sus2.

In the end, it isn't too important to name a chord, but if you do
it's nice to know why it's being called something.  There are usually
several interpretations, so you've got to figure you out which one
you agree with the most.  I'd appreciate any corrections.

Daniel
From: Jonathan Egre' <jonathan@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Improvisation where has it gon
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:14:12 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

> I suspect that a lot of the hype about "playing one's own music" comes from
> recording company executives who know that recording already copyrighted 
> stuff is not as profitable as recording new stuff that copyrightable.  

Not really; from the record company's point of view, it doesn't matter who
holds the copyright on the music and lyrics - either way somebody has to be
paid.

A much more important factor is the type of music.  On one hand, classical 
musicians are *expected* to copy printed music written 200 years ago 
note-for-note: if they don't, it's called "mistakes", not "improvisation".
On the other hand, blues and jazz musicians are *expected* to improvise:
if they don't, they are labelled as "boring" and "un-original", rather than
"accurate".  I don't really know anything about flamenco, but what you 
have said suggests that it is closer to classical music in this respect.

There isn't really any logic to this; it's a question of integrity and
honesty, according to particular meanings of "integrity" and "honesty" used
by the type of music.

Many people believe that live music is always "better" than mimed 
performances, even if the audience cannot hear the difference.  If nobody
can detect the difference then why is the live performance better?  The 
answer is that the mimed performance is considered "cheating", and therefore
is less desirable.  In other words, a psychological difference rather than a
difference in the music itself.

--
Jonathan Egre' = jonathan@mantis.co.uk = jonathan_e@cix.compulink.co.uk
ObOb: The river Ob in Siberia
From: mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         )
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Steve Howe is playing in HOUSTON sunday night
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:33:11 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

STEVE HOWE IS PLAYING ACOUSTIC SET SUNDAY NIGHT AT THE 'PIG LIVE.'
HE IS ALSO PLAYING SATURDAY AT A CHARITY AUCTION IN HOUSTON.

Now don't you wish you were an Aggie.

Mike.
From: pturner@sedona.intel.Com (Pete Turner)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Musician's Friend and AMS
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:17:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Originator: pturner@nevin


In article <1992Jul30.125804.3510@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
|> 
|> 	I have just completed an informal survey of the pricing of 
|> American Music Service and Musician's Friend. And the overall winner
|> is .......
|> 
|> 	AMS!!!!!
|> 

	[stuff about the price difference deleted]

Okay...I'll buy into it...now where do I get a AMS catalog? 

	Pete
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Every guitar trick in the world!
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:29:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.210559.2452@dsg.tandem.com>, paul@everest.tandem.com (Paul Duffy) writes:
>In article <1682ABEB5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
	:
	: 
>>Any more tricks?
>> 
>>--Eric
>
>One of my personal favourites has never failed to impress
>those who were fortunate enough to witness it.  In the middle
>of a lead break I'll take a block of cheese and slide it along
>the E and A strings, using my right hand only, while simultaneously
>doing hammer-on trills with my left hand, and very rapidly raising
>and lowering my eyebrows.  If I'm in a George Lynch kind of mood
>I'll use maybe a Stilton or a Gorgonzola, but if I'm doing more
>of the Hendrix thing I'll lean more toward the softer, runnier
>cheeses, such as your Bries and Camemberts.  Plus they are good for
>the finish.  THe only drawback is that if you do this trick very 
>often you'll have to change strings at least a couple of times a year,
>as they do tend to get a bit crusty.

I have found that a really hard cheese like romano or parmesan
sounds grate when played on wound strings, but my food of choice
is lettuce.  When you run it up and down the neck a few times, 
it really shreds; like totally tasty, dood.
--the fret chef, 
	rich

>
>Keep on chunking.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 13:34:51 CDT
From: <U53641@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject:    Ibanez custom forsale

I am selling an Ibanez roadstar 140 which is about 5-7 years old,
It is a Ibanez strat type of axe.  Its original set up were a
passive single-single-humbucking configuration.  The Tremolo is
an traditional trem with stainless steel saddles.  I am asking
for $375 for it.  Because of the following hot-rodding and custom
work that has been done to it.

Tuners:  Sperzel locking tuners(blk)
nut:     Graphite
pickups: active seymour duncan livewires (s-s-h)
Controls: Three knobs (blk chrome) 2 tone 1 volume.  Ibanez
          guitars usually has two but I had another installed
          for better tonal control.
Jack:     The jack is located on the bottom near your knee
          it is not mono but rather a stereo jack.  Custom
          made and installed.
Trem:     Stock Ibanez stainless steel.  The back of the
          trem has a Hipshot Tremsetter which zeros the
          trem after it's use, plus if you break a string
          the whole guitar stays in tune.
Action:   Set up low for speed playing
Neck:     Rosewood
Body:     Alder body, white in very good condition.

There is nothing wrong with the guitar, I am selling it because I
can't afford to keep two guitars.  It has never been gigged and
it was only used for recording studio sessions.

Shipping can be arranged accordingly.  Price can be a bit negotiated.
If there is a trade of some sort.  I am in Illinois, Chicago to be
precise.  So e-mail me if you're interested.  My phone in the evenings
is 708-679-1591.  Ask for Sam.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: tasty solos
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:06:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.233549.2248@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
umcsiki@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Csiki) writes:
 
....
>Yes, I have heard both and own the Satriani album.  His new album, "The
>Extremist" in my humble opinion has no signature song as potent as
>"Always With Me, Always With You," from the "Surfing With The Alien"
>album -- some may disagree with me on this point of fact -- but what can
 
Yeah. I'd nominate "Cryin'" as the new AWY,AWM. Besides "Surfing..."
and "Ice 9", I prefer...oh forget it, it's all down to taste anyway.;-)
And yes I too love AWY,AWM.
 
>I say, I love AWM, AWY.  'Matter of fact, Satriani is a personal fav of
>Chicago radio personalities Steve Dahl & Garry Meyer as well as Kevin
>Matthews on WLUP-AM.  Those jocks do play Satriani, and "Cliffs of
>Dover" & Johnson a lot!
 
That's it! I'm moving to Chi-town! :)
Glad to hear Dahl is still around. I was a big fan of his when he was
doing the Detroit scene.
>
>:)
>Mike.  :)
 
--Eric
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Re: Satch's new album! was: Re: Always With You Always With Me
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:51:58 GMT


I grabbed my copy hot off the delivery truck!  I'm still on the first listen
but so far its ROOLIN!
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: mark@visionware.co.uk (Mark Ripley)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Satriani - The Extremist
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:48:58 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK


Well, I ran round all the record shops in Leeds during my lunch hour, 
in a desperate search for Satch's new 'un, and I got the same reply
from every shop : "Sorry, we don't know when it's due out in the UK.
We may be able to get it on import though...."

Does anyone know when it's due out over here?


Cheers,

MDR
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mmadsen@eecs.umich.edu (Martin Madsen)
Subject: Re: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Jul29.163522.25964@devildog.att.com>
	<weRyyf_00iUyE1j5cK@andrew.cmu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:27:13 GMT

In article <weRyyf_00iUyE1j5cK@andrew.cmu.edu> bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Thomas) writes:

>If anyone every puts the tab of this together, could they please post it?

	I'll second that motion.  That's one piece that I could really
use!

	Much Thanx in advance.

mmadsen@adirondacks.eecs.umich.edu
From: bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au (You'd better believe it!,,,)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: SLASH- Great or WHAT??!!?
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: bsercomb@neumann.une.edu.au

> I hope Peter will join me in saying that both of you can bite me! 
> These posts definitely sound like the sarcasm of some Guns'n'Roses-
> hating dudes who can't get past Axl Rose's ego/whatever long enough to
> appreciate Slash's true musical talent.

Here, Here. 

The original response to the posting about Slash's musical talent was a 
piece of stereotypical crap. If everyone thought like this, we'd all
still be playing percussion instruments on each others heads.

Brad.

P.S. I'm not saying that the guy is a revolutionary performer, but at least
I try to see what he is doing rather than listen to a couple of times and 
categorize it as a waste of time.
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Blues Net group
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:08:10 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <16833E791.US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU writes:
>Here, here... or hear, hear...  What a great idea because there is not enough
>blues info passed through bluenote, mostly jazz, theory, etc.
> 
>So I second the motion for a strictly blues newsgroup.

rec.music.bluenote was formed through the combined efforts of the membership
of the jazz mailing list and the blues mailing list (of which I was the
moderator).  It was the consensus of those involved that blues and jazz
were topics that belonged together, and so the charter of r.m.b. was
set up to include both.  This has been rediscussed periodically during
the intervening years -- with the result consistently in favor of keeping
the two together.  (I will be happy to forward you some of the discussion
if you would like to read it.)

If there is a dearth of blues-related material in r.m.b., then it is
simply because none of the participants have posted any.  Speaking for
myself, I have noticed no such lack; the content of the newsgroup appears
to me to be much as it was when it was first formed.
From: mark@visionware.co.uk (Mark Ripley)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: David Gilmour
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:44:44 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK

:P.S.  I heard Waters' new single the other day.  Jeff Beck is on this
:one.
:Beck's another one of my faves.  His style has really moved into a very
:heavy rhythmic style rather than his melodic style of the late 70's -
:early
:80's.  

Anyone know what this single is called, and for that matter the album ?
Better still, when's the album due for release ?

Cheers,

MDR
From: mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Replacement pickups
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:42:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I have a Fender American Standard strat, and I would like to replace the 
pickups in it. After playing a strat plus, I got spoiled by the sound.

I want to use this guitar to play mainly blues and classic rock and I'm
looking for pickups with a warm, rich tone. I read somewhere that the new
Stevie Ray Vaughan signature strat has some custom pickups in it with a real
warm, fat tone, which sounds like what I'm looking for.

Anyone play an SRV strat?

I would also like to get pickups which are quieter than the stock pickups.
Lace sensors were extremely quiet!

Any suggestions on what pickups to get would be greatly appreciated.
By the way, I would like to avoid getting humbuckers because of the extra work
involved in installing humbuckers. I definitely want to replace the bridge
position pickup, and possibly the neck and middle.

Thanks in advance,

Taka

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jeff@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jeff Skaletsky)
Subject: Re: Strat pricing
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:56:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.230318.13374@qualcomm.com> dweber@crow.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber) writes:
> Moonlight Music (Encinitas, Ca.) Best Price: $550.00 (tax inc/no case)
>
> Guitar Center (San Diego, Ca.) Best Price: $575.00 (tax & case inc)
>                 Japanese Vintage reissues: $475.00 (tax & case inc)

I was quoted about $700 including case at a popular store here in the
SF valley; I think it was basically an Am. Standard, might have
been a special color (very pearly white).  I saw a sign in another
store that Am. Standards were on sale for $495, and I assume that's
no case.

So how IS that Japanese reissue?  Would it be decent if you
changed the pickups or something?

-Jeff

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
Subject: Re: What's happening with Fender amps?!
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:34:27 GMT


Senor Bennet in 6379 wrote:

"Now would I want to lay down $875 for a Strat? No. The Japan-made standards
are the best buy (IMHO) in the strat market. I wouldn't touch a Squire or
a Mexican Start. The Am Std is a great guitar with an excellent reputation
for long life and reliability."

In general, I would agree. However, I own a Squier Strat which I have
modified with teflon-coated bridge saddles, nut, and string trees,
and it plays and sounds great. The paint job is nothing special, but
it does the job quite well. In Canada, where an American Standard Strat
is routinely $650 and a Jap Strat $450 or so, I got the Squier for $275
plus about $100 for the teflon parts and labour (plus a setup etc.).

I too have been quite impressed with Fender's newer guitars, which remain
functional and sounding good while avoiding the flat-fredboard-hockey-stick-
head-Floyd-trem trap. For a good discussion of this sort of thing, check
out the recent Guitar Player which reviews 19 electrics priced under
$750 list - the American Standard comes out near the top (with a Carvin
and a Peavey, incidentally).

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada

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From: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Subject: Re: David Gilmour (Anymore Fans?)
Reply-To: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd. CSC/UK
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:05:28 GMT



	From what I've seen of Gilmour playing slide he seems to use some
	sort of lap steel guitar, I dunno if this would make much difference in
	the sound tho....

	J

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Blues Net group
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:12:45 GMT

	Does anyone know if there is a news group on blues music. If not is it
possible to start one?
							Bill C.


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From: paul@everest.tandem.com (Paul Duffy)
Subject: Re: Every guitar trick in the world!
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:05:59 GMT

In article <1682ABEB5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>OK, I'd like to collect descriptions of all your favorite guitar tricks.
>I'll post a summary to the net--it'll be like a FAQ where people can
>send me comments and I'll post revisions from time to time.
> 
>So, send them to me or better yet post!
>My id is eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu or eiverso@waynest1 depending on if you
>prefer internet or bitnet.
> 
>OK, now I'll do the summary but here is one to get you started:
> 
>Super-Fast Trills...
> 
>This works for guitars equipped with whammy bars.
>Play one or more notes and try pulling up or down on the bar
>and suddenly releasing it so it springs back into it's equilibrium
>position. This will create a brief fast quivering in the notes as the bar
>quickly adjusts to equilibrium.
> 
>You can also try strumming the bar with your pick or tapping with your
>palm on the bottom of the bridge. This probably works well with tapping
>or hammerring/pulling with your fretting hand.
>The optimal position for the bar would be either straight up or down to
>provide the most vibration.
> 
> 
>Any more tricks?
> 
>--Eric

One of my personal favourites has never failed to impress
those who were fortunate enough to witness it.  In the middle
of a lead break I'll take a block of cheese and slide it along
the E and A strings, using my right hand only, while simultaneously
doing hammer-on trills with my left hand, and very rapidly raising
and lowering my eyebrows.  If I'm in a George Lynch kind of mood
I'll use maybe a Stilton or a Gorgonzola, but if I'm doing more
of the Hendrix thing I'll lean more toward the softer, runnier
cheeses, such as your Bries and Camemberts.  Plus they are good for
the finish.  THe only drawback is that if you do this trick very 
often you'll have to change strings at least a couple of times a year,
as they do tend to get a bit crusty.

Keep on chunking.
Xref: sparky alt.guitar:6353 rec.music.makers:8506 rec.music.synth:12662
From: frankc@faatcrl.UUCP (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: Guitar Synths
Summary: compiling opinions of guitar synth users
Keywords: guitar synth survey
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:58:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

I'm conducting an informal survey of guitar synth users and am solicting
for info from anyone experienced even slightly in MIDI guitar.

info sought:

	gear you use (GR-50, Widget/tone module, GR-1, etc)

	your use (performance, sequencing, recording, fooling around, etc.)

	opinions of current MIDI guitar state-of-the-art

	where you think MIDI guitar is headed 

	anything else one may consider relevant 

all correspondence welcome - please email.  I'll post a summary

 
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