HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nraju@usc.edu (Narayanan Raju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: temple priesthood
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:39:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu) writes:


>I recollect reading an advice the Kanchi Acharya (the 2nd) gave the
>public (read in the Hindu religious column):
>       "Write Sri RamaJayam 1000 times everyday. You will 
>        get Motcham!"
>-arasu

 Meenan writes,


>You think that is bad!  Read "Theyvaththin Kural" (Vol 1,2...) by "kaancip
>periyavaaL" and you are sure to get sick.  It is amazing that some brain dead
>fellow writes this type of crap and there are people to accept these kinds 
>of advice even in this twentieth century !

>
>

>Meenan Vishnu







Looks as though those who are against a particular faith want the
priesthood of that faith opened up for their community.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat)
Subject: Re: Dark Future for Professional Services in TN?
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:01:17 GMT

In article <l8tl3tINN14m@bathtub.cs.utexas.edu> raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan) writes:
>
>I have scanned a few of the articles in this newsgroup, and have observed
>that there are vocal representatives of both the "forward" and "backward"
>classes from Tamil Nadu on the net.  So, perhaps we can examine the
>following topic from several points of view:
>
>I am quite concerned about the nature of the present day reservation
>system for admission to colleges in Tamil Nadu, and in particular, am
>concerned about the quality of the graduates.  I fear that if the present
>system continues, with more regard for one's class than one's academic
>merit, then the quality of professionals such as doctors and engineers
>will drop dramitically over the next ten or twenty years as the 
>professionals who qualified through merit retire and those who gained
>degress through bribery or through quotas become the majority of employed
>prefessionals.
>
>I present a rambling of observations below, and invite responses from
>those who support the present-day quota system and those who do not.
>
>------------------------------------------------
The education system in Tamil Nadu is a joke. Imagine any state with more than
70%N reservation. Also, Madras University which was once a star in India's
and TN's education system, is a shadow of its past and is fast decaying.
I read an article in Indian Express regarding Phd in MU. It seems these
days candidates copy word by word from existing work and they get
passed by the local examiner! The University on one such complaint, as
usual called for an enquiry headed by nincompoops who too must have got
into the system through cheating or reservation. I REPEAT, DONT TALK
OF ANY EDUCATION SYSTEM IN TN ANYMORE. TALK ABOUT CORRUPTION, CASTEISM,
LACK OF STANDARDS ETC.

The golden period of Madras University in recent times was during Prof.
Malcolm Adeseshiah's period as VC. He tried to bring aboyut changes to
the existing exam structure and grading system. But with reluctant teachers
who would have to put in more work, and a batch of incompetent students
mostly in not through merit but through nepotism and RESERVATION.

In Conclusion, I say that TN's future is very bleak as far as education
goes.
From: ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: KANCHI ACHARYA  SATI  ETC
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:12:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19821
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network



NOTE :
I tried to post this as a FOLLOW-UP atricle to the thread where
me, Mr.Meenan Vishnu, Mr.Sundara Pandian and again Mr.Meenan Vishnu
had already written something. As I had some trobule in posting
this article as a follow-up (for some reason it is getting rejected)
I am posting this all on its own. Sorry for the inconvenience.
This is regarding the word "FACT" used by Mr.Vishnu criticized by
Mr.Pandian and retyped as "BRAMANICAL CLAIM" by Mr.Vishnu


Dear Mr. Meenan Vishnu

Again Wrong Use of the word. Kanchi Acharya is not a brahmin.
So his teachings or sayings can not be called brahmanical claim.
Here I mean ACHARYA has no caste. If you don't know,  the first
that they do when they take up "SANYASA" is to cut the sacred
thread (A act that some DK/DMK people like to perform once in
a while - Another BARABARIC act according to me - ie not respecting
someone's personal feelings) . So no Sadhu for that matter has a
caste attached to him.

Of course you would like to blame everything on one caste
which has contributed a lot to the tamil language and cultre.
(If not more than everyone else atleast comparable to other
castes - I would like to add here)
I know that you will not accept my correction. But still ...


PK
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:1277 alt.culture.tamil:1222
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: 100 follow up articles
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:22:56 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <1992Aug19.163451.29574@cs.odu.edu>, raj@news.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj) writes...
> 
>1.The Postings about Periyar :
>We don't need this. Somebody will post about another female
>leader because she is a also a leader. At the end stadard of 
>SCT will plummet.
> 

Does this rule apply to periyar articles by Mr Vishnu?

> 
>2. Postings about Reservation:
> 
>I may not like reservation, but I can not see anything near truth
>in that article.

Glad to know that.

> 
>M.P.Krishna Raj


RT
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Going too far ? :-)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:09:00 GMT

From a post in sct
-------------------
nanRi: thiru. ki. srinivaasan ("aathami" kaNaNip poRi thattezhuththu
				vadivamaippup padima uruvaakkunar)
	[min-madal: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca]

*************

appadi pOdunga aRuvaaLai. perusu, engeYO poyittinga :-)

Reminds me of when a certain relative of mine sent a letter to a friend in
Abu Dhabi, with the entire address in Tamil. The postman in Abu Dhabi wansn't
very happy about that, but the letter was delivered anyway, along with a  few
sarcastic comments. [Man, Abu Dhabi must have an excellent Postal system]

Now, the friend in Abu Dhabi was spoiling for revenge. When he replied, he
addressed the letter to:

	Thiru. XXX
	Kazhugu MadhippeN Thozhirchaalai
	Keezh pirivu
	kaNakkupiLLai aluvalagam
	YYY saalai
	Madras.

Translation
Eagle Mark Industries
Lower Division
Accounting Office
....


I will leave the Madras postman's monologue with my relative to the 
valaingyar's imagination.

Gopu
--
rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: What went wrong?
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:30:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.180752.5844@ms.uky.edu> aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu)  
writes:
> Is anything wrong?
> 
> There are 496 articles in soc.culture.tamil and
> 	  987 articles in soc.culture.indian at my site at present.
> Surely there is a lot to talk about here!
> 
> But for a few personal hate mail, by and large posters
> have discused issues. Perhaps sometimes repeating the 
> same points.  This spate of heated discussion started 
> with someone posting a "I HATE TAMILS" post. Such 

Yes. This is true. I edited my .newrc file and scanned
to find out the thread for caste/reservation/brahminism/
periyar started from that posting.

> posters cannot be avoided and we should learn to 
> live by them. I predict some "hot" periods
> and some "tranquil" times.  No cause for concern.

Yes. I agree with Arasu. In fact, healthy discussion
about controversial matters is good to know the every
side of the issue.Only thing, we can avoid is personal
attacks. Whenever we're bored with serious issues,
we can resort to Raghavan's kadikal. Well there may be
somebody who may resort to serious matters to escape
from "bite".(porukkamudiyaamal) ;-)

 [Stuff deleted]
> to decide that something has gone wrong. Of course there may be
> some who want something to go wrong...... 
>  (You not included Mr Venkat  :-))

  Thanks for not including me, Arasu.
> -arasu

Cheers,
Venkat
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venkat@menudo.uh.edu                  | If it comes back, it is yours.
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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Let us build Periyar Temple
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:51:01 GMT
Distribution: world 

In article <1992Aug17.115629.13818@umiami.ir.miami.edu> lkumar@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.135559.19286@engage.pko.dec.com>, thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>> 
>> 3. There will be 108-archanas blaming brahmins for everything in precise
>> sentences before the periyar statue for $10. After the archana is over the
>> priest will declare the following standard disclaimer. "We attack only
>> brahminism and not brahmins" with a big meaningful smile on his face. "Killadi
>> gurukkal". We know what he means by this, don't we?
>	Hey, Naughty boy, you did not clarify who will be the
>	gurukkal ...?  Brahmin or .... ?
>
>-- Laxman
>

	You might know the Supreme court ruling in Tamil Nadu Brahmins
	Association vs Tamil Nadu Govt during  DMK regim on 'who is
	eligible to become a temple priest'. The ruling was that non-
	brahmins are not eligible even if they are qualified. Reservation
	hater RT, please note the 100% resevation at least for this
	profession. May be this is following the bright idea of Rajaji:
	The 'kulak kalvi thittam'. 

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu

Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:1052 alt.culture.tamil:1189
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: EVR part 9
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:40:51 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo
Originator: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca



More on EVR from the PhD thesis of Charles Ryerson, "Regionalism and
Religion, The Tamil Renaissance and Popular Hinduism".


At Selam, in 1944, EVR officially transformed the formerly elitist
Justice Party into a mass organization renamed the Dravida Kazhagam (DK)
or Dravidian Federation and he decreed that members should wear black 
shirts as a symbol of the degradation of the Tamils.  At the 1945 Trichy 
Conference, the DK adopted as its symbol a black flag, with a red cirlce
in the center, black for the 'subjugagted' state of Dravidians and red
for the hope of future justice enshrined in the coming Dravidanad.  At 
this 1945 conference, the party took an important step by calling for
a completely independent Dravidanad, freed from both British and Northern
rule.  Despite the demand for Dravidanad, the emphasis of the DK was to remain
more on social reform that on strictly political activity.  Naicker
had not changed from his Self-Respect days.  Especially important to the
movement was the widow remarriage and intercaste marriages.  Journals
and newspapers of the movement such as Kudiarasu (Republic), Puratchi
(Revolt), and Viduthalai (Freedom) were formed and gained increased 
readership.

When the Indian Independence came, in 1947, naicker urged Tamils
to treat August 15, Independence Day, as a day of misery since
he failed to get separate nationhood for Dravidanad.

(To be continued ... )

Meenan Vishnu
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Reservation, Brahmins and Kanchi Aacharya - I
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:23:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Aug20.222353.23296
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <Aug.19.15.25.16.1992.2575@endeavour.rutgers.edu> surendra@endeavour.rutgers.edu (Arun Surendran) writes:
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>	[ STUFF  DELETED ] 
> 
>	As somebody pointed out earlier, many people who make use
>	of the reservation seem to arrive in cars (i.e. don't need it).
>	The real reservation should be in terms of economic criterion.
>	A year or two ago M Karunanidhi proposed a scheme by which he
>	'donated' 5 marks to all BCs ... I know a person who because of
>	this landed up with 202.5/200 !!!!! 

No. His government made the provision to add 5 marks to candidates who come
from a family with no graduates. And as usual the provision was misused.

>
>	Bottomline : Anything done with negativism in mind and without
>	thought is counterproductive .....
>
>	AC Suren
>
>	(contd in the next posting ......)

Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Aaaaa....Rambam :- It's kadi time
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:37:34 GMT

Kettadum, KerKAdadum, PARthadum PARkadadum:-
---------------------------
Today's venue :- Class room

Biology Prof:-

"anju vanavilangu perai sollu"

"2 Puli, 3 singam"

-----Math Prof:-

"Araiyai NAllAl perukinal enna varum?"

"kuppai varum"

-----Geology Prof.

"India-vin talainagaram enGE ullaDu?"

"theriyadu!"

"sari! benchu meLE YEru"

"anGEirundu theriyumA saar?"

------------Tamil AYYA

"pAAlgal YAvana?"

"AAn pAAl, pen pAAl, AAvin pAAl, AMMA pAAl"

[for those curious souls, the last one corresponds to the way the milk
vendors shout]

------Nallozhukka [moral] Prof.

He is demonstrating the evils of 'SARAyam ['sarakku' in tamil]. He takes a
500 ml beaker and pours in it exactly 200 ml of sarakku [a carefully blend
mixture of ethyl, methyl alchohol spiced with battery and other garbages]
and dumps in it a worm [ear-marked to reach heaven that day]. The students
witness that execution with much awe. Now quizz time.

"idil-irundu enna therikiradu?"

"sarakku sApittAL vayathil ulla pOOchigal SAgum enna therigiradu"

----
A recent news is:- that prof.was seen to be adrift somewhere in Himalayas.

------ English Prof.

"who is the world's champion speller?"

"........" [politically correct answer]

------------
Gigabyte
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kanchi Aacharya
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:19:18 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <9208182014.AA05241@ha06.eng.ua.edu>, bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan) writes...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   [******' crap [daily dose] deleted]
> 
>   rest. Or rather has had a very scarred life. What with cyanide and
>   all that! I never knew an asylum would be granted for terrorists.
>   Maybe they didn't know then. Not too late yet.  

I would like to know sincerely about Canadian asylum laws. If anyone knows pl
post it in the net.

> 
>   BK
>
From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Varna & Brahmins
Date: 17 Aug 1992 12:37:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



   What one learns from Sundara Pandian's response
   to my "alleged" response to Meenan Vishnu:
   [Read his article carefully].


   -----------------------------------------------------------------
   Now, there is the original Gita

   Then there is Sinha's interpretation of The Gita. Not to be confused
   with Sinha's claim of the original Gita.

   Then there is ******'s interpretation of Sinha's Gita

   Then there is Sundara Pandian's interpretation of ******'s interpretation
   of Sinha's interpretation of the original Gita.

   Then there is the Gita that Periyar criticized. Understatement!!

   Then there is the current Gita  not to be confused with the Gita
   that is available today.

   There is a rationalist Gita which is not quite the same as
   the irrationalist Gita.

   Then there is *that* Gita. Not to be confused with *this* Gita.

   Then there are the "Gita as it was", "Gita as it has been", "Gita
   as it is", "Gita as it might be" etc.

   Will the real Mr.Krishna ever show up and tell us all what he meant
   by "varnashrama dharma"? :-)

  ---------------------------------------------------------------------


   BK


   P.S. What is wrong with (T)this Gita?

        Oh No!;(T)that Gita is not wrong.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: On cheergaL (Re: Poem on blah..)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:21:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.200551.8070@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
>
>From my memory banks:- to identify a chir:-
>NEr Ner - theMA
>nirai Ner-puliMA
>Ner nirai -karuvilam
>nirai nirai-kuvilam------Is this correct ?

nEr = 1 mAththirai
nirai = 1.5-2.5 mAththirai 

nEr nEr 	- thEmA (split as thE-mA, it is nEr-nEr enRu koLga)
nEr niRai	- kooviLam (split as koo-viLam, it is nEr-niRai enRu koLga)
niRai nEr	- puLimA (split as puLi-mA, it is niRai-nEr)
niRai niRai	- karuviLam (split as karu-viLam)

nEr nEr nEr	- thEmAnggAi (split as thE-mAng-gAi)
nEr nEr niRai	- thEmAnggani (split as thE-mAng-gani)
nEr niRai nEr	- kooviLanggAi (split as koo-viLang-gAi)
nEr niRai niRai	- kooviLanggani (split as koo-viLang-gani)
.
.
.
etc.

Apart from these in case of veNbA type cheyyuLgaL the last "cheer" must
end in one of

nEr	-	nAL
niRai	-	malar
nErbu	-	kAchu
niRaibu	-	piRappu

The last two endings are basic-kuRRiyalugaram (ku chu du thu bu Ru).
But I guess there are endings with other kuRRiyalugaram also, may
be "arivu"?

S_Bala
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 10:40:50 EDT
From: T.C.A.Venkatesan <IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: EVR - Part II (Atheism)
 <Bt37rv.6zp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>

In article <Bt37rv.6zp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m
vishnu) says:
>
>
>>NEITHER KRISHNA NOR THE VEDAS PREACHED UNTOUCHABILITY.  These
>
>Have you read the Purusha-suktha or Manu's code ?  (FYI Even the BG uses
>the word candala)
>

    Could some netter enlighten me on this - Do Purusha-suktha/Manu's
work etc. come under the Vedas? Or are they separate works? If they
are part of the Vedas, which one do they belong to?

Thanks,
Venky.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: elan@rdg.dec.com (Balendra Elangco)
Subject: Re: Tamil Names -Elango 
Reply-To: elan@rdg.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:44:42 GMT

|> Elango is my brother's name too. He was a student at Iowa State University.
|> Everybody in his department, including the Chairman told his
|> name correctly without any problem.

Hmmm... perhaps, the problem is with British pronounciation?

--------------------
Balendra Elangco			| Internet: elan@rdg.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Sex Ratio, Population Growth
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:07:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41554
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

In article <1992Aug15.222758.27722@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:
>
>In article <Aug.14.17.43.31.1992.23905@paul.rutgers.edu> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>>
>>How did Kerala end up with the highest population density? Maybe you
>>had your spell of lack of family planning. Now it is the turn of
>>north Indians.
>
>You are not only dumb, but ignorant as well... Kerala ALWAYS had

[Unwanted Stench deleted...]

Hey, hey, hey,

	Cool it. First of all keep all discussion on Kerala off
this net. This is meant exclusively for discussion on Tamil culture
and literature. It is unfortunate that we are having difficulty in
controlling the traffic on political news. Secondly, keep all
the nauseating language to some other forum. We have tried to
maintain some level of decency here. Have some mercy on others.

	Thanks a million,

Partha sarathy
From: viswanath@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: uniform transliteration: a vote for
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:07:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark

I am reposting a letter I received on e-mail re. uniform transliteration.

P.V. Viswanath 
_____________________________-
From:	IN%"ravi@ravi.gsfc.nasa.gov" 14-AUG-1992 10:01:42.60
To:	IN%"viswanath@draco.rutgers.edu"
CC:	
Subj:	Uniform transliteration: vote pro/con

1. Yes : It makes life so much easier.  Several time I have to strain so 
	 hard to make any sense of transliterated text.
2. Can you give me more information on Adami (or it should be aadhami)

I cannot post to SCT, thus the E-MAIL

Ravi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: appar's poem
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:35:55 GMT

 valai anparkale:

                 Could anyone post

       "naam yaarkum kudiyallOm yamanai anchOm


Thanks,

KK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sriniva@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rangarajan Srinivasan)
Subject: A SIMILARITY
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:16:58 GMT

Dear netters,

	There is a similarity between the people
belonging to Forward Caste in T.N. and the
srilankan tamils. Somebody in the net quoted that
very few students from 18 out of 22 districts in
Srilanka (i don't remember this figure exactly)
in eng. or medical colleges. Similar case with FC 
people in T.N. sometime ago. There are hardly 10% of
FC people in Tamilnadu and srilankan tamils are 
about 20% in srilanka. Discrimination scheme is 
also quite similar.

	So when the FC people in T.N. could bear and
live with the reservation policy etc., why did our 
srilankan brothers took weapons in their hand?
May be, some knowledgeable netters would be able to
throw some light on this query?

sri
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil