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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:14:40 GMT

mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:

>You're absolutely right.  I won't re-submit LeGuinn (never liked her
>work - but then, this isn't a discussion of like v dislike), but I will
>add C. L. Moore and Leigh Brackett.


     I'll cheerfully say several words for LeGuin, though she doesn't need
it.  In addition to whatever else she did, she wrote the most perfect
_New Yorker_ "coming-to-understand" story I ever read.  (TNY is famous/
notorious for publishing stories in which nothing in particular happens,
except that someone ends up understanding things in a different way.)  In
"Two stops on the northern line" there are actually two stories, mirror
images of each other: in the first somebody goes home and discovers that
he has become a stranger there; in the second, someone goes to a strange
place and it dawns on him that he has stumbled onto his proper home.
Very clever and very good.

     As for women in SF -- Mary Shelley.  Surely _Frankenstein_ is as im-
portant to the history of SF as anything written by Asimov or Clarke or
Heinlein ... or for that matter Wells or Huxley or Orwell or any of the more
lit'ry dudes.

                                                   -- jf
From: hugh@huia.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Hugh Emberson)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Canterbury, New Zealand
	<C1J645.2sG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jan27.225228.6798@netcom.com>
	<C1Kp0r.8oy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 06:16:49 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Jan 93 16:41:15 GMT, mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) said:

-> I'm sorry, but your obstinance in forbidding women a place of importance
-> in science fiction puzzles and angers me.  Not just you, Mr. Zweig, but
-> quite a few of the male members of this group.

[...]

-> Let me ask you this, Mr. Zweig.  Give a rational reason why women
-> authors should be studiously ignored?  Are you trying to say that ONLY
-> white, male authors should be included in any classics list?

As I understand it you are preparing an introductory Sci-Fi course,
therefore you should be choosing authors because they are *good*, not
because of their sex, race, religion or taste in clothes.  Sex
shouldn't come into it.  

Prepare a list of good authors and take the top 10 or 20 or whatever,
I am sure there will be some females in it.  


Hugh

--
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hugh@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz
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From: mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:42:57 GMT

In <1993Jan26.152502.63216@cc.usu.edu> sl1yn@millville.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry) writes:

>In article <C1GtwF.wp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:
>up with for a syllabus.
>|>
>|>Yeah, I would consider Heinlein important if you're teaching sexism in
>|>sf.
>|>


>  Is it not strange how all these politicly correct types wail about how
                                                           ^^^^
Isn't is strange how quickly these guys reduce themselves to
name-calling and semantically-loaded phrases?  :)  I don't consider
myself particularly politically correct...I just don't tend to deify the
authors I read.

>a mere white male cannot express the perspective of the particular group
>they belong to and feel is being persecuted so much, and yet they become
>enraged when a white male writes according to his own perspective.
 ^^^^^^^
Am I enraged?  I think you are, and I think it's because you don't have
a good position to fight from.  I was expressing my opinion (and my
brother's BTW) that Heinlein, while a good writer, was also woefully
sexist.

>Can't express the perspectives of others, can't express the perspectives
>of ourselves.  We may as well just shoot ourselves before mlperkin rounds
>up the castration patrol and hunts us down.
        ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
Boy, talk about a hysterical writer.  Oops, sorry, only women get
hysterical, right?  :)



>Larry Denys
>sl1yn@paradise.declab.usu.edu

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From: JLINTHI1@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Re: e:    What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:53:38 GMT

The teacher did give us plenty of choices: Bruce Sterling,
Pat Cadigan, etc., but he wanted to limit the discussion
to the three Gibson books. At the end, he suggested reading
Kim Stanley Robinson's series in California as a comparison
against them. Personally, those looked more interesting
than Gibson's crew.
 
Julia Linthicum
jlinthi1@ ua1vm.ua.edu
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:31:21 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1jmih2INN4h@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.215233.9580@coe.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) writes:
>|> BONUS QUESTION: Name ANY Piers Anthony Novel WITHOUT a sequel. (answer fast)
>|>      ;)
>
>Macroscope (although a book of that size (emphasis on "macro" is it's own sequel)

_Triple Detente_ ?
_Steppe_ ?
_Shadow of the Tree_ ?

-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
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From: josv@sci.kun.nl (Jos Ververgaard)
Subject: Man of Gold, by Barker
Keywords: Tekumel, Barker, Man of Gold
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:45:15 GMT

A few days ago I stumbled over a book named Man of Gold by M.A.R. Barker
(printed in 1984 by DAW). It proclaims itself to be the first novel in a
series set in Tekumel, Empire of the Petal Throne (seemingly based on a
role-playing game). The world seems to be based on ancient Indian (as in
India) culture with elaborate clan and social structures (it resembles
the tsuranuanni-culture by Raymond Feist, but not as militant and more
versatile). I really liked this one a lot, it was much better than I had
suspected when I read it was based on a role-playing game.
Does anyone know if Barker wrote any more stories set in in this universe,
the book implies he planned to. I'd really like the titles of those books so
I can see if I can get them.
Furthermore I'd like to hear anyone elses opinion on this or any other of his
books.

			-Jos
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: RE: Designing a Course
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:24:48 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <93024.193106JEK133@psuvm.psu.edu> <JEK133@psuvm.psu.edu>  
writes:

>      My own syllabus would include "Neutron Star" (the anthology)  
by Larry
> Niven, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by Philip K. Dick (one  
of the
> first cyberpunk stories ever), the "Foundation" trilogy by Asimov,  
"The Moon Is
> a Harsh Mistress" by Heinlein, "The Mote In God's Eye" by Niven and  
Jerry Pour-
> nelle, and "Neuromancer" by William Gibson.
>      I realize that this list ignores the very early roots of  
science fiction,
> but I never found the earlier stuff particularly interesting, and  
the list
> reflects my own personal biases.  And that's my two cents' worth.
> 

I think the problem here is not that you ignore the "very early
roots" of SF, but that you even ignore the fifties. You also ignore
some of the major forces in the sixties.  From the fifties (and
forties) you need Sturgeon, Bester, and Bradbury at the least.
From the sixties you need Delany (see Nova for a real glimpse
of early cyberpunk), Zelazny, Ellison, Ballard, and Cordwainer Smith.

By the way, I can't quarrel too much with any of the choices
you made (though I think Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? is
overrated, and prefer The Man in the High Castle, Ubik, Martian
Timeslip, and several other Dick novels to it); I think you were
missing some major works, though.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: RSLAYTON@VUNET.VINU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Addr: Dr. Who Videos
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:59:55 GMT

I got a letter from CBS/Fox Video regarding an inquiry I made about
Dr. Who videos.  They stated that they will be releasing four new
titles in March:  "Twin Dilemma," "The Tom Baker Years," "Earth Shock,"
and "Cybermen:  The Early Years."  They currently have 23 titles out
on the market, the most recent releases being "The Caves of Androzani,"
"The Tomb of the Cybermen," "The Pertwee Years," and "Shada."
.sp
If anyone would like a complete listing of the titles available I have it.
.sp
There is a toll free number to call if you cannot find these titles at
any of your local video retailers.  It is 1-800-800-2FOX.

Rita Barker (RSLAYTON@VUNET.VINU.EDU)

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From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:10:54 GMT

In <1993Jan22.205503.13673@MorningStar.Com> chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller) writes:

>>~seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp):
>>~>>15.  Who had as his Source the Dwarf Matt Soren?

>Loren Silverleaf.

Loren Silvercloak, rather.


--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
From: sl1yn@millville.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:29:05 GMT
Reply-To: sl1yn@millville.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry)

In article <C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:

f Heinlein it's with a certain amount of sadness.  Here's a guy who is,
|>technically, a wonderful writer, not to mention incredibly inventive.
|>If he could only have gotten over the problem quite a few men of his
|>generation had with treating women as real people.
|>


  Somehow, I don't think Heinlein would have thought mush about your
certain amount of sadness.
  Give the guy a break.  He grew up in the twenties.  People may have
had opinions about variaous things that were just a _little_ bit different
than today.





Larry Denys
Sl1yn@paradise.declab.usu.edu
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From: lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Re: Keith Laumer Died in Florida, January 22, 1993 
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:26:58 GMT

In article <727911328snz@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>In article <12586@jjmhome.UUCP> lmann@jjmhome.UUCP writes:
>
>>Writer Keith Laumer died overnight at his home in Florida.  He
>>was either 67 or 68, and had been in failing health for
>>a number of years.
>
>He was that old?  I remember reading his stories when I was a teenager,
>but I'd have thought him to be around 50 or so by now...  I really
>enjoyed his books (well, I still do)...
>


I'm sorry to hear this -- he's been a favorite of mine for a long time.

As to his age:  Yes, I would guess he was indeed that old.  I remember
reading once that he graduated from the University of Illinois (my
alma mater :-) ) somewhere around 1947 or '48.  I have the feeling this
information was in the back of my old copy of "A Trace of Memory," which
I've had so long that the cover price reads 35 cents...

Linda Smith
lksmith@truth.mitre.org
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course (was: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:42:04 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <1jmi7sINN4h@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>  
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart) writes:
> Which knocks out every space opera ever written.  Are you saying  
that we
> could get away without E.E. Smith?  How about ERB?  These are so  
vital to
> an overview that I can't see how we _could_ exclude them.
> 
I think both could easily be left out of an overview. Remember,
we are talking about an overview course here, not just advice
to a reader who wants a thorough overview of SF. I grant that
the well read SF reader should at least give E.E. Smith a try,
if for no other reason than to see how far the field has
come.  But for a course, which can only read a very limited
number of works, you have to leave out some works, even if they
were historically significant.

Afterall, many of us have taken "overview of literature" courses
without being forced to read Pamela or other similar works whose
only real importance is historical.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Spider Robinson
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:14:58 GMT
Organization: A.T.W.W.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sdavido@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
: In article <1993Jan21.135615.13906@bsu-ucs>, 00tlstanchfi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
: > I'm looking for more titles by Spider Robinson. I have two of the Callahan 
: > books (the first & the thrird, I think) and _Time Travelers Strictly Cash_
: > Are there any others? Pub dates? Publishers?
: > 
: > any help would be appreciated.
: > 
: > Please e-mail replies,
: > tracey
: 
: Meloncholy Elephants!
:  
: -Solomon
:  

Telempath is pretty cool and (said with tongue planted firmly in
cheek) not much of a "stinker". ;-)
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From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:24:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.185222.21497@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com (wooga wooga wooga) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.204722.5991@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>~seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp):
>~>>			 WIZARDS - OF ALL KINDS...
>~>>			===========================
>~>>

[lots and lots of munching going on everywhere]

>~>>15.  Who had as his Source the Dwarf Matt Soren?
>~
>~I'm blanking on everything today! ...the mage in Kay's "Fionavar Tapestry".
>~
Loren Silvercloak

>~>>16.  Which amphibious sorceror, sometime follower and student of the
>~>>
Quite possibly Clothahump, from Alan Dean Foster's "Spellsinger" --
can't think of any other amphibious wizards off-hand....

--
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From: mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:50:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.C1H2wo.I1F
Organization: Indiana University

Perhaps the best course would do three things:  (1) give an historical
overview (2) provide a knowledge of the various sub-genres, and (3)
explore sociological/technological/etc. themes.
From: lmann@jjmhome.UUCP (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Keith Laumer Died in Florida, January 22, 1993
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:55:16 GMT

Writer Keith Laumer died overnight at his home in Florida.  He
was either 67 or 68, and had been in failing health for
a number of years.

** lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Internet) Laurie.Mann (GEnie) **
******      And now for something completely different...     ******
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From: mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins)
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:55:16 GMT

In <C1Izw6.vr@athena.cs.uga.edu> fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:

>mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:

>>Sad, isn't it, how none of these guys bother to credit any work done by
>>women?

>     If you want it done, what's wrong with you doing it?

>                                                     -- jf

You're absolutely right.  I won't re-submit LeGuinn (never liked her
work - but then, this isn't a discussion of like v dislike), but I will
add C. L. Moore and Leigh Brackett.
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From: K42@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Monika Best)
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:33:10 CET

In article <1993Jan20.204722.5991@netcom.com>
dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
 
>
>seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp):
>>>                       WIZARDS - OF ALL KINDS...
>>>                      ===========================
>>
>>>9.  Who had 91 days, 3 hours and 5 minutes of life left when he decided to
>>>forego the usual professional privilege of being collected by Death
>>>himself, and became Death's servant instead?
>>
>>       I'm going to hate myself for not knowing THIS one.
>
>Me too, but it looks lije something out of Diskworld.
 
Right. It was Alberto Malich (wasn't he the founder of Unseen University
or something?), later known as Albert, in "Mort".
 
-- Moni
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From: kiick@wiley.b11.ingr.com (Chris Kiick)
Subject: Re: What _ought_ to be in a proper course on sf?
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:45:33 GMT

seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:

>In article <moonman.727481143@camelot> moonman@camelot.bradley.edu (Craig Levin) writes:
>>parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
>>>	What do they have?  I could see not have some of those authors

>>	The list of authors: B. Aldiss, M. Atwood, A. Huxley, Le Guin,
>>and H. G. Wells.

I took a course in "Analysis of Science Fiction" at my university. The reading
list was quite impressive, including "Dune", "The Left Hand of Darkness" and
one of Asimov's robot novels.  However, I was still very disappointed in
the course itself.  The professor never seemed to get around to discussing
any of the themes, ideas or devices used in science fiction. Instead, we
did the regular "grunt" work of a literature class.  ANY genre could have
been substituted for science fiction in that class, and the course would
not have substantially changed.
	The point is that good reading alone doesn't make up a good course
on Science Fiction.

>	What would *I* put in an SF course?
>	Hmm...
>	I think I'd want two semesters -- SF 1 and 2... Dunno what I'd
>do if I had to compact it into ONE...
	I've been thinking about this, and I would probably start with
a definition of science fiction, and then work into common plot devices,
how SF is used for social commentary, and a close look at a couple of
good novels.  I think it is a safe assumption that anyone taking this course
would already have had basic grammar and literature, so the emphasis would be
on the distinguishing characteristics of science fiction.
As for the reading list, since we are limited to one semester...
 	"Microworlds" by S. Lem (!!!)
	An early H. G. Wells work
	"The Moon is a Harsh Mistess" by RAH. (or possibly "Starship Troopers",
or even "Stranger in a Strange Land")
	"Ringworld" by Niven
	And a couple more "classic" works (so many to choose from!).

Not that I'll ever get to teach one, of couse...
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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Designing a Course
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <C1J645.2sG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>  
mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:
> In <C1Izw6.vr@athena.cs.uga.edu> fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P.  
H. Fuller) writes:
> 
> You're absolutely right.  I won't re-submit LeGuinn (never liked  
her
> work - but then, this isn't a discussion of like v dislike), but I  
will
> add C. L. Moore and Leigh Brackett.

Moore, definitely. Though it really is hard to tell which stories
were written by her, which by her husband (Henry Kuttner), and
which by both.  Both used the pennames Lewis Padgett and
Lawrence O'Donnell, both helped one another a lot, etc.

As for Bracket: I find her to be OK, but certainly not essential
to an SF course.

If you want more women included in the SF course, consider:
Joanna Russ (perhaps "When It Changed"), Kate Wilhelm,
Connie Willis, Jane Yolen, and Pat Murphy, just to name a few.



--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: exukozi@exu.ericsson.se (Tom Koziatek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: A Little Diversion...
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:59:41 GMT
Reply-To: exukozi@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 2205@blue.cis.pitt.edu, seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
>>2.  Who built the rooms named Memory, Fear, Heartbreak, Dust and Despair;
>>and used his Attribute of inanimate correspondence in a contest of Irish
>>stand-down with one known as Kalkin the Binder?
>
>	??? Blank on this one.... ???
>

Its the god Kubra, from Zelazny's _Lord of Light_.

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From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Heinlein (again)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:48:18 GMT

john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel) writes:

>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:15:01 GMT, lola@lucid.com (Lola McCrary) said:
>Lola> Bcc: lola

>Lola> In article <C1H9wx.8AI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins) writes:

>[...lots deleted...]

>Lola> I'm female, liberal, and independent, and I've never understood the fuss.

>Hear hear!  What is this morbid fascination to rip apart authors, esp
>when they can't defend themselves?  If you take heinlein in the
>context of the AGE he was brought up in, and writing in, what was so
>bad?  Oh no!  I've started another flame war...  sigh...

>				John

Well, I started reading Heinlein in 1957. I did think his juveniles 
had good portrayals of women, even for the time...

But, on the other hand, I knew something was wrong with "Stranger
In A Strange Land." Even though I didn't have the *word* sexist,
I *knew* it was sexist. Even in 1960, at the age of 10!

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