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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS: The Doctor and Causality
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:42:58 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <torresce.715960901@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) writes:
>that no one sees - like destroying Sutek!  :) :)
>	The 2nd clue for letting me know he might be Rassilon, was in State of
>Decay where he seemed to have the original documents in his Tardis on how to
>destroy the large vampire bat.  (the sound went off on my station when I saw
>this episode - so I don't really know what was said at the time).  My apologies
>if I'm wrong here.
>	I'll end this here since this is getting long, but I'll try and compose
>a list of all the clues I have put together, and then I'll post it.
>		Mystic

Actually "State of Decay" proves just the opposite.
Romana told the Doctor that copies of this Record of Rassilon were to
be installed in all Type 40 time vehicles, and so the Doctor heads
to the TARDIS to find the records.

If the Doctor were Rassilon, he would hardly have to look up the records
of the vampire war would he (since Rassilon led the war from the 
Gallifreyan point of view anyway)?  

>(alex.soto@analog.com)
>
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: More Theories About the Doctor's Age
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:32:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.100821.14409@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>In <1992Sep6.002829.14893@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU writes:
>>If anyone has any questions of some apparant continuity knots, please
>>post them and I will certainly try and solve them, and I'm sure there
>>are many others with their own theories who would like to comment too.
>
>The magic word is "theories". No matter how sound your arguments are, unless
>they use facts from the show, you cannot assume they are right (I believe
>you even used the word "canon" when commenting on Dave's quiz). I think there
>are a lot of loose ends in Doctor Who that are not fully explained. One recent
>one hashed out here on the net was The Valeyard and what happened in the
>trial. I think there has been some discrepency concerning the Cybermen and
>different ancestries (I didn't follow the discussion). The Doctor's age is
>another. I'm sure there are a lot more than the couple you claim. I don't
>pay them much attention since my explanation is usually writer's error. Great
>theories aside, most of these are not explained using material from the show.
>
>There is nothing wrong with a show having continuity errors. It has to be
>around a long time to develop them. Even Star Trek, which didn't run anywhere
>near as long as Doctor Who, had plenty.
>
>Tom
>
>P.S. I just thought of others: Romana's regeneration - why can she select
>her new body yet the Doctor can't and was the White Guardian the real WG in
>The Ribos Operation.

You're right.  Until they are referred to in the show, they are just theories,
but my point is that if something is unraveable by us, then someday somebody
could incorporate some or all of the explanation into a story.

As for Romana's regeneration, it's because she paid more attention in class
at the Academy than the Doctor did.  She's better at it than he is in
other words.  We know the process can be controlled from before this story
since the Doctor is given some options of a new appearance in "The War
Games."  
Was the White Guardian the real White Guardian in "the Ribos Operation?"
I think he was.  Just because he is the Guardian of Good doesn't mean he
is the embodiment of it.  "Dark cannot exist without knowledge of Light,
nor Light without Dark" was said by the two Guardians in "Enlightenment."
Thus when the White Guardian makes his nothing threat in "The Ribos
Operation," it doesn't necessarily mean he's the Black Guardian just 
because he's said something a little nasty (following through with it
would possibly have been another matter).  He says something I think
is a lot more heartless in "Enlightenment" (when we know it's him) when he
tells the Eternals to go back to their echoing void and the vastness
of Eternity.
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: DALEK's
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:24:51 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <18laovINNp5e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney) writes:
>
>I never worried too much about continuity until I started to read this
>newsgroup. 
>   ... SO, to all the experts - in 'The Daleks' Hartnell discovers that
>the Daleks run on static electricity, so he uses a coat to insulate the
>floor to 'unplug' the Dalek.  I believe that in 'The Dalek Invasion of 
>Earth' the Doctor discovers that the Daleks have developed a better 
>source of power.  So how come in 'Genesis of the Daleks' the Daleks are
>running all over Skaros without any source of static electricity?  I don't
>think 'earth' and stone are a good source.
>

there is no official explanation to solve this one.
My personal feeling is that the Daleks we meet in "the Daleks" are
a relatively independent group from most of the others who set up
shop in the city for scientific purposes (note that that lot seemed
more scientific than subsequent lots we meet).
As these Daleks were going to be in the city all the time, it was
decided to rig up this more efficient means of powering each Dalek.
Rather than have to go to the trouble of building power generation
equipment or light collectors or whatever for each and every Dalek
casing, they simply rigged up the static system, as that was more
efficient.  Daleks are rather nuts over efficiencyt.

John Peel, in his "Doctor Who and the Daleks" book (which I don't like
too much although this bit is rather nice), suggests that the first
lot we meet in "The Daleks" were the Mark Two travel machines first
tested by Davros some distance away from the cities and the war
zone.  (i.e. his wheelchair is Mark One, these were Mark Two, and
the variety we see in "genesis" were Mark Three.)
Perhaps the marking explanation works, but I don't accept this
otherwise as it seems to me to be too large of an expenditure on
the Kaleds part to build an entire underground city tailor-made
for the Mark Two Daleks, especially given the shortages of raw
materials we see in "Genesis."
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From: dalton@charlie.cs.unlv.edu (Beiad Dalton)
Subject: Re: Immortal Companions:  The Doctor's Age & His Companions
Reply-To: dalton@charlie.cs.unlv.edu (Beiad Dalton)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 03:53:49 GMT

Is it possible that Galafrey is on a different temporal axis?
From: mrmuon@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Hello and some Questions..
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:10:08 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <18qeu2INN704@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Peter Mullaney) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, mrmuon@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)  
says:
> 
> >In article <18okajINN6v1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jcg8@po.CWRU.Edu (Jude C.  
> >Giampaolo) writes:
> >> Q1. I have noticed that many of the Dalek episode titles have 
> >>     something to do with religion, eg. 'Genisis of the Daleks'
> >> and 'Ressurection of the Daleks' I was wondering if anyone could
> >> tell me if there is a reson for this, and how many of the titles
> >> are this way?
> >That's all. I think whoever was writing the story titles was bored,  
they  
> 
> Eli - what about 'Revelation of the Daleks'?
Oh Woops! for some reason I wrote this thinking "Genisis" and "Revelation"  
were the ones he listed. "Resurection" is of course sort of biblical, but  
the other two are much more so because they are used as titles and are  
taken from titles of books of the Bible, indeed the very first and very  
last books.
> 
> P.S.  Isn't it curious that Dr WHO has fans from a variety of religious/
> non-religious/political groups.  We are athiests, Born Agains,  
Christians,
> Fundamentalists, Liberals, Conservatives, etc.
> The world sure is a funny place.
Yeah! I remarked this a couple months ago but made the mistake of  
explaining why I had always thought of DW as atheistic in tone. I was  
flamed.
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From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Subject: Re: Program(me) guides for post-T. Baker stories
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:56:09 GMT
Organization: A Planet Of His Own

In article <4047@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.174043.24580@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) writes:
><I'm looking for episode guides in the form of Lofficier's Red Guide for
><Davison-era and later. Lofficier's guide, of course, ends with Logopolis.
>
>You have the old book.  Get the new one.

Still looking... Dr. Who books around here are pretty rare, it seems.

					- greg

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS: The Doctor and Causality
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.112328.16083@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>In <torresce.715548951@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu writes:
>
>to fit.  Why would Rassilon seek to escpe the Time Lords, then submit to
>a forced regeneration and then exile to Earth, then another trial, then
>meet his final incarantion in his tomb without recognising himself, then
>another trial.  Also, the Doctor being involved with Rassilon att some
>pruior date doesnt wash for me given that in The Five Doctors, when all bar
>one of the Doctors met Rassilon's spirit, Rassilon didn't recognise the Doctor
>especially the first incarnation, and given the fact that time Lords seem
>to be able to recognise each other without speaking.  All right, people
>will point to stories like Silver Nemesis and Remembrance of the Daleks
>as some sort of indicator that the Doctor met or worked with Rassilon
>at some prior time, but whenever he's directly confronted, the Doctor
>tends to hedge or deflect.  But anyway, this is all my opinion, and I'm
>looking forward to all the flak that's coming my way. Cheers, 

I agree with the first stuff about him being Rassilon, but there is a
very interesting and exciting flaw in the second one....Rassilon
*did* recognize the Doctors!

here's how the scene goes at the end, Rassilon asks Borusa who these
others are and Borusa says they are his servants.  Rassilon asks if
it is so, and Doctors 2,3, and 5 say it isn't, but Doctor 1 says it is.
Rassilon asks the First Doctor if he believes Borusa should have the
Immortality he seeks, the First Doctor says he does deserve it, and
Rasssilon then gives it to him.  Borusa joins the statue parade, and
then Rassilon says this:  "And what of you Doctors, do you claim 
Immortality too?"
The crux of that is that he called them "Doctors" without anyone having
told him beforehand that they were called the Doctor(s)!
I have to admit there is a way out of this, if Rassilon had been
listening to events beforehand before he appeared to them all, and
also there is his being in the Matrix where they would have "talked"
in "the Invasion of Time" and also that Rassilon knew about the
Fourth Doctor still being stuck without anyone telling him that.
Looks to me that that last bit came through Rassilon's link with the
Matrix.  

Still, it's interesting, and I think it would be very exciting if we
did someday learn that the Doctor has or perhaps will been mucking
about in Gallifrey's history.
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Immortal Companions
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:31:18 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Sep15.155108.18169@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next02epsl.wam.umd.edu  
(Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.221616.4159@cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
> > In "Genesis of the Daleks" the Time Lords pulled the Doctor out of 
> > a transmat beam and deposited him on Skaro for an 'outing'.
> > A little while later, Sarah and Harry appeared. They could just as 
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> > easily have been left in transit. 
> > The Doctor could have polished off the Daleks,  
> > gone back to the station for the Cybermen and met Sarah and Harry after  
> > transmatting back. They'd have never know that he was gone for a week or  
> > a year or a century...
> 
> Perhaps that could have happened, but it didn't. The Doctor found Sarah  
> and Harry a couple minutes after he found himself on Skaro.
I thought I just said that... :-)
If it could have happened there (but didn't. We know because we saw the  
episode) why couldn't it have happened some other time resulting in  
adventures that we haven't seen?

john rickert          rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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Eldred must live...
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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:39:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
>torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) writes:
>> Colin reminded me of Tom also, but Colin did not have nearly as much charm
>> as Tom did for which it was easy to overlook his cockiness.  Also, Tom had
>> characters warm up to him easily - Sarah and he were close, Leela would ha
>> easily given her life for him (as with practically all Tom companions),
>> Peri just seems to be stuck with Colin and not much warmth coming from
>> both.
>That is because Peri lacked personality, not the Doctor!  She spent a lot
>more time simply whining than most other companions (with the possible
>exception of Joe, Peri was THE most helpless companion I have seen, which
>did not endear her to me overmuch...but she still clashed with the doctor
>humorously.)

Of course, the sixth Doctor spent a lot more time whining than most of
the companions. I think that both Peri and the Doctor were obnoxious
to cover their concern for each other. Off hand I can't think of a 
specific incident in which Peri showed how much she cared for the 
Doctor, but the look of devastation on the Doctor's face at the end
of "Mindwarp" (part 2 of "Trial of a Time Lord") indicates that Peri
had a place in his hearts alongside companions like Jo (not Joe!) and
Sarah Jane. And I'd have to disagree with your assertion that Peri
was helpless -- Peri wasn't as competent as, say, Tegan or Jo, let
alone companions like Ace, Romana, or Jamie, but she _was_ a bit more
than a voice on legs.

I can already see the fireball coming my way.... :=)

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: Surveys
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:35:55 GMT

Before anybody else has a cow, I'll be glad to compose a list of peoples
preferred shows of Dr. Who.  Those of you who'd like to participate,
send e-mail to this address:   torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu 
	The original post asked to send your top 5 shows overall, and your
top show from each doctor.  I'll post the top shows once I stop getting
e-mail.  If you like, you can also comment on why you liked it.
		Mystic
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Subject: Re: The Hand of Sutekh (was Re: More Theories...)
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 12:48:17 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> 
> P.S. The Hand of Sutekh is a trademark of Sutekh and Son Inc., whereas
> The Hand of Fear is a trademark of Eldrad and Co. LTD.

And of course, The Hand of Omega, is the trademark of Omega Inc.  :-)

                                     

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From: Ric_Goldman_-C@hqops.3mail.3com.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Genesis and Slipback Tapes
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:09:00 GMT

HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>(Both audio).  I was thinking of buying it, and was wondering if anyone 
>in the U.S or U.K. could tell me whether the Genesis audio tape is the
>complete version, or a truncated one?  Cheers

It's truncated, but still worth the money.  I especially like the Tom 
Baker voice-over narration to fill in gaps.  (I thought Cheers was in 
Boston).

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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
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Subject: Re: Immortal Companions:  The Doctor's Age & His Companions
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:46:22 GMT
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
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In a previous article, mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) says:

>there were two gaps with no humans on board (that I can think of):
>Keeper of Traken - Logopolis  with Adric as the only companion.
>Timeflight - Arc of Infinity with Nyssa
>


It's probably already been mentioned, but you left out "The Deadly
Assassin". Not only were there no humans onboard the TARDIS, there
were no companions onboard for that adventure.

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: THE SIX OR SEVEN DOCTORS
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:00:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.011602.27247@cs.rose-hulman.edu> stinerkt@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kevin T Stiner) writes:
>
>I have "The Five Doctors" on video and I was wondering if there was "The  
>Six Doctors" or if they were going to make "The Seven Doctors" movie?  Can  
>anyone help me out??
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kevin T. Stiner
>-----> Colin Baker is the BEST!



It would be extremely difficult to do even if the show were in production,
since the first two Doctors are deceased, the third is rumored to be rather
ill right now, the fourth didn't do the last one (and he looks extremely
different from his Doctor days too), and the sixth got fired by the BBC
making him a little ticked at the amangement.  

Of course, if the management changed, or perhaps even if it didn't 
I think Colin would do a special.

But still, that leaves us with at most only five Doctors, more likely 
only three.

But I do recall an idea Sylvester McCoy had for an anniversary special...
all the companions together!


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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Continuity Catalog, feel free to add to it!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:15:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.161757.19488@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next02epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>
>The Greek Atlantis was on the Modern Island of Santarini, around the time  
>of the end of the Minoan civilization the island exploded due to a  
>volcanic eruption. The island is now crescent shaped. The premise of "the  
>Time monster" was that this explosion was set off by Chronos. The bits of  
>the pre eruption habitation that survive there are, as I recall,  
>underwater.


They didn't say how Kronos sunk Atlantis.  could've been by explosion or
any other means I suppose, since Kronos was pretty formidable.

As this was left open, I don't think this is a continuity conflict with
Underwater Menace, and even if there were an explosion, some of the city
could have survived and been buried first by ash then by water as the
island sunk/


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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: programme guides
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:10:00 EST

brett@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) wrote:
----------------------------------------------------

-> I'm looking for episode guides in the form of Lofficier's Red Guide
-> for Davison-era and later. Lofficier's guide, of course, ends with
-> Logopolis.

 Jean-Marc Lofficier's Programme Guide has since been revised and
updated. It now lists all the stories up to "Survival" (although story
lines for the 26th season are not included - look for those, and the
Errata stuff, in his half arsed follow up, "The Terrestrial Index").

Revised Programme Guide: ISBN 0 426 20342 9

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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