HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: billp@mozart.amd.com (Bill Peterson)
Subject: Roswell
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:13:35 GMT

	I like Roswell. It is close to the mountains, beautiful.

	The "facts" as I know them are :

	1) Something crashed outside of Roswell. Witnesses thought
	   it was a plane or something.
	2) Next day, Brazel carted stuff and filled up a shed. Called
	   the sheriff. Debris is spread out over a big area.
	3) Sheriff and Brazel call Air Force. Local Air Intellegence
	   Officer comes out. Base commander then releases a press
	   notice : "We have a flying saucer."
	4) General Twining flies down, takes over. Local base
	   commander takes a "leave" immediately.
	5) A B-29 is filled up with crates of stuff, flies off to
	   another base.
	6) Twining and ATIC guy cook up balloon story. Allow reporters
	   in the next day to look at balloon remains.
	7) Brazel is help incognito for three days, won't talk, says that
	   "They scared the shit out of me!"
	8) Air Force still refuses to talk about now. Not even mentioned in
	   Blue Book as a balloon.

	What can be gleaned from this?

	1) Something crashed. The Air Force doesn't want us all to know.
	2) The Air Force STILL doesn't want us to know. (Almost 50 years
	   later).
	3) Many people have come forward to claim having seen "alien" stuff.
	4) Goldwater, etc have been denied access to UFO files.

	It seems that several explanations are possible :

	1) A secret aircraft crashed. I think this is unlikely. It has 
	   been too long just for a secret plane.
	2) An experiment involving people has gone wrong. Similar to the
	   Philadelphia thing. It has recently come to light that the
	   military tested soldiers in the gas chamber for toxicity to 
	   unknown gasses. They still won't recognize soldiers who are now
	   having health problems. No records have been kept.
	3) A radioactive device had a problem. Military won't acknowledge
	   it since it shows how irresponsible they are. (Typical)
	4) An alien craft crashed.
	5) Some other unknown thing happened.

	The easy explanation: Military thing, top secret, like the gassing.
	The base commander explanation : UFO out of control, crashed.
	My left-field idea: Aliens FAKED the crash to alert stupid nuclear
military that someone is watching. How 'bout it?

--
	Howdy Pardner! Let's chew the fat!
	Disclaimer : my thoughts are not my own. :-X
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 4D/life/Venus/etc
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:10:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: I still haven't come up with any information on the 4th
dimension but I am impressed that you (Chris) are aware of what an
old soul is. Many people meet my wife and after being around her for 
a while realize that she is an old soul. As far as the 4th dimension
is concerned it appears that the human body consists of about 5 or 
more different bodies. When we get rid of our ego then we can go into 
the 4th dimension. Some people are already talking about going into 
the 5th dimension now. At least that is what the Sasquatch are trying
to tell us now, but most people don't believe Sasquatch anyway.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: curt@cwis.unomaha.edu (Curt A. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Roswell
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:19:47 GMT
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What's the fuss?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:20:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan23.172749.29895@odin.corp.sgi.com>

Dear Folks: I'm not for sure that I understand the question properly.
Maybe you can restate it in another way. Rod seems to think I should 
attempt to answer your question.
John Winston.
From: asljl@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Mr Sarfatti? Anyone?? Help Wanted Desperately!
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:38:59 GMT

Hello?????

	This is a desperate call to Mr Sarfatti and anyone else who
can assist. My research group is working on a quasi crystal 
constant G boost space drive, we really need some help in the
physics and chemestry areas as well as enegineering and other
areas, Sorry to use the news group like this but finding 
people who actually know what they are talking about with working
knowledge and experience is somewhat difficult.

	Thank you for your time 
			Lynn


From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:19:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

Peter Nelson writes:
   I gave up watching TV altogether a year or so ago precisely because
   the very best it could manage was ca-ca like the Simpsons or STNG,
   masquerading as quality for "thinking viewers" (almost an oxymoron)
   when in reality it's distinctly lowbrow.
   
   The average Star Trek viewer is a child of the TV generation and
   isn't very well-read.   So he doesn't realize that all these
   themes are treated with VASTLY greater insight and wit in such
   diverse writings as Greek classical literature, the Bible, the
   Vedic scripts, Shakespeare, and thousands of great works of 19th
   and 20th century literature, including important works of science
   fiction!

Peter, I very much take exception to this.  I thought you were better
informed.  I, as an engineer, know many engineers who love Star Trek for
the moral, ethical, political and human rights issues it consistently
raises with a thin veneer of sci-fi, and I'll bet if you surveyed the 
engineers at the Chelmsford plant, you'd find an awful lot of other Trekkers.
Star Trek derives many of its themes from Shakespeare, and many of the 
actors are Shakespearean.  I am not sure there IS such a thing as an 
average Star trek viewer.  As has been told many times, it runs the gamut
from children to NASA rocket scientists.  I consider myself to be very well
read, and I don't mean sci-fi.  Television is an eye on our society, and
Star Trek represents humankinds best hopes and dreams for a future we
can be proud of.  If that's what you call lowbrow, so be it.  Thanks for
your opinions, but you're WRONG!

By the way, what's this doing in alt.alien.visitors?  There is a
rec.arts.startrek.<current,info,misc,tech,fandom> group for discussions
like this!

Brian

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: marc@r-node.pci.on.ca (Marc G Fournier)
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circle
Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:16:43 GMT

In article <1jjrgmINN9dk@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> stinerkt@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kevin T Stiner) writes:
>Didn't we hear a while back about the guys who supposedly created all  
>these things as a joke and then video taped how they did it?  Are crop  
>circles still actually believed to be made by aliens (I thought the guys  
>had enough proof otherwise)?
>
	I remember seeing something on A&E about that.  What *I* understand is 
that they proved that they could be made by men, and that some of them where actually
hoaxes, but they don't think they are all hoaxes.  Something about some of them having
patterns that couldn't be man-made, or were too difficult to make so something like that.

Marc
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From: mitch@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin))
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:20:24 GMT
Organization: Setec Astronomy

In article <1993Jan21.150347.8162@udel.edu> mm@brl.mil writes:
>In article <C1675J.1yF@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
>writes:
>|>   Really big secrets have a way of getting out and NOTHING IN HUMAN HISTORY
>|>   would be bigger than aliens at an Air Force or Army base.
>
>I agree.  To study an extraterrestrial vehicle or crew would require a
>large and diverse group of scientists and engineers.  It's very unlikely
>that these would all be military sympathizers to the extent that they
>would seal this off from the world.  Someone would tell his wife or best
>friend or let it slip on his death bed, etc.
>

This isn't intended as a flame, but it seems to me that something
is flawed in your reasoning here.  I think this is a Circular Argument
or something:

   Somebody claims that X happened.
   Someone else says, "Don't be ridiculous.  If X had happened,
                       somebody would be _saying_ that X happened.
                       X is _too big_ to be kept secret."

Doesn't the Roswell case contain a sort of "deathbed confession" by
one of the players who claims to be too old now to care about threats 
of reprisals? 

(BTW, whatever happened to ol' Gluteus Maximus?  We haven't seen
any kneejerk reactions from Mr. Shaeffer for some time now.  I hope
he didn't get Abducted!) :-)


-- 
DISCLAIMER:                                              | Bob Mitchell
"Don't blame _me_, _I_ didn't do it!" --Krusty the Clown | mitch@ea.ucla.edu
"Ididn'tdoitnobodysawmeyoucan'tproveanything!" --Bartman | DOD#[classified]
"Computers are ruining this country." --Al Bundy         | 1987 VT700c
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:10083 talk.religion.newage:6238
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: "Science Faction" with John Winston   Transcript
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:04:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I didn't asked for Betty to do this but she asked me if
it would be OK and she did it. Thanks very much.
John Winston.
From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: John Winston meets Phil Klass
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:46:26 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Perhaps Mr. Winston's problem is that he came in contact with one of Mr. Phil
Klass's plasma balls that had run amuck. Hence, one 5,000 degree plasma ball +
trajectory down Mr. Winston's shorts = one strange skeptic !

John Winston has the right to say what he wants, however, he should keep it out
of this news group. Maybe put it in alt.science.fiction or something. This used
to be an informitive group to the Ufoloigist and those just interested, but now
it's sci-fi and flames. Oh well. Chalk one up for disinformation.....

-=-= Wes =-=-
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: a gora
Distribution: world 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:46:41 GMT

In article <C14Lvz.B3u@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>In article <C13J7G.wE@dcs.ed.ac.uk> clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) writes:
>>Joerg Loehn writes:
>>> 
>>> Who is Kibo? I asked about him some time ago, but there's still no answer.
>>> Please give me some Information on him...
>>
>>I can't believe there's still somebody who doesn't know who is Kibo.
>>
>>Only somebody just arrived from outer space wouldn't know that. Maybe
>>Kibo can find a few seconds in his busy schedule and wear his Spokesman
>>for Earth hat?
>
>I just got a V.32 modem and boy are my arms tired from trying to type
>fast enough.  I'll let someone else explain who or what Kibo is or was.
>And besides, I want to know too.
>
>BTW, does anyone have the 57600 question purity test?
>
>						-- K.
>




  What's a bigfootf ?
From: loeckel@clam.rutgers.edu (chris Loeckel)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: 4D/life/Venus/etc
Keywords: venus
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:15:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	According to some posters, there is life on Venus in the "4th
dimension." I think we are getting some terms confused here. The
fourth dimension (irrespective of what Einstein said) is not "time,"
but the fourth PHYSICAL dimension (see Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_), and
theoretically, there could exist an infinite number of physical
dimensions, although there is no evidence to support any physical
dimension beyond the third (I don't know how we WOULD prove extra 
dimensions, though, as we exist in only three). I cannot imagine what
the fourth dimension would be like -- I cannot "think in 4 dimensions" --
because I have no experience with the fourth dimension, or I am not
genius enough to do it, or both.
	What I think these posters mean to say is that there is life
on Venus in the "implicate order" (reference to physicist David
Bohm) or "ether," or whatever you want to call it. This "ether" is NOT
a realm of physical matter and is most emphatically not to be confused
with the physical dimensions. The only problem I have (and no small
one, at that) with saying that there is life on Venus in the ether is
that "in" the ether, "time" and "space" do not exist. These concepts have
no meaning. Therefore, if there are beings "in" the ether (and, yes,
there are consciousnesses in the ether), how can they possibly be at a
particular place or in a particular time in the physical universe?
	So, posters, please elighten me. Are these beings "on" Venus
in the same way that you or I may (or may not) be "on" the Earth when
we are out of body -- that is, soaring above the treetops, etc.?
That's the only explanation I can think of right now.
	I can't remember who made the original reference to the 4th
dimension, but I think it may have been John Winston. (Sorry, JW, if
it wasn't you!) Would JLS, EL, JW, SRK, CCS, or any other "Old Soul"
(you know who you are) please share his or her thoughts on this matter with
the readers of this most important news group? Thanks in advance,

	W'geeyih,

	Chris Loeckel
	a.k.a. Nirvana
	a.k.a. Captain Picard
	a.k.a. Commander Sisko
	loeckel@clam.rutgers.edu
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:48:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	billp@mozart.amd.com (Bill Peterson) writes:
	2) Next day, Brazel carted stuff and filled up a shed. Called
	   the sheriff. Debris is spread out over a big area.

... Well, I cannot be sure (from my reading) that he "filled up a
shed".  He did store some stuff (notably a large circular piece.)

	3) Sheriff and Brazel call Air Force. Local Air Intellegence
	   Officer comes out. Base commander then releases a press
	   notice : "We have a flying saucer."

... the timing here is important.  After interviewing Mac Brazel,
Marcell and Captain Cavitt went out to the ranch with Mac Brazel on
the 6th.  Blanchard sent at least some of stuff Mac Brazel brought in
with him to Roswell on to Fort Worth.  On the morning of the 7th,
Marcel and Cavitt went to the debris field, returning early on the 8th
(that is, they spent all day picking up pieces of "a balloon"), and
didn't get 'em all.  On the morning of the 8th, after a staff meeting,
Blanchard dictated his "saucer" press release to the PIO (Walter
Haut.)

	4) General Twining flies down, takes over. Local base
	   commander takes a "leave" immediately.

... Twining appears only to have arrived in person on the 17th (he's
listed in records as having done so.)  He may have been at Kirtland
Field, near Albuquerque on the 7th.  Blanchard went "on leave" on the
afternoon of the 8th, to go out to the debris field.  (Apparently the
"on leave" thing was an administrative sleight of hand, to deflect the
phonecalls, etc. pouring into the base.)

	5) A B-29 is filled up with crates of stuff, flies off to
	   another base.

... apparently several planes flew out of Roswell, a B-26 (on July 6),
a B-29, a some C-54's.  They flew to Fort Worth, Wright Field,
Washington, and Kirtland field.

	6) Twining and ATIC guy cook up balloon story. Allow reporters
	   in the next day to look at balloon remains.

... Ramey (in Fort Worth) is (apparently) the source of the balloon
story.  Ramey's balloon story went out on July 8th.  On the 9th, all
the "saucer" press releases given out by Haut were confiscated by
officers from Roswell.

	8) Air Force still refuses to talk about now. Not even mentioned in
	   Blue Book as a balloon.

...well, they talk about it; they say it was a balloon.  It is curious
that it doesn't appear in BB, though some other balloon-stories
apparently do.

Charles

Sources "UFO Crash at Roswell", "Roswell, A Historical Perspective".
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: John Winston=fucking wanker
Followup-To: alt.sex.masturbation,alt.religion.kibology,alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:36:14 GMT

In article <C0qxIE.Ez2@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> u2nmh@csc.liv.ac.uk (N.M. Humphries) writes:
>Title says it all really.

"fucking wanker" is an oxymoron.  

						-- K.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circle
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:47:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1993Jan26.223700.3525@trl.oz.au> jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy) writes:
>Time for a periodical re-airing of my pet theory about
>crop circles, and this time it is improved!
>
>Wheat, after millions of years of natural evolution and
>thousands of years of selective breeding, has become
>*sentient*, and is trying to communicate with us.


  On the other hand (this is true:) in late 1991 the 
  Wheat Foods Council, an industry trade group, reported
  a study showing that 47% of Americans believe oatmeal
  is made from wheat!    


---peter


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Government coverups
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:17:14 GMT

In article <C1Gw8H.KG@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> u2nmh@csc.liv.ac.uk (N.M. Humphries) writes:
>
>It's not a question of what they have to _gain_ from a cover-up, rather what
>they haveto _lose_. If the governments publicly acknowledge the existence of 
>UFOs there would be mass hysteria worldwide.

Actually, what they have to lose is:

A) Military dominance and control of the Free World - You don't need a military
if everyone loves each other and refuse to kill ANYTHING. As you don't need
a military, military leaders lose control of power.

B) More important, the powers that be would loose crediblity - over dictating 
to the the masses what to believe in, and the nature of reality.
Because if you can believe in aliens, maybe you can believe in things other
than thier power structure.

>
>	Why? Let me put it this way. People will suddenly realise that all we
>are are just little specks of dust when considering the universe. We're not 
>very advanced in our space travel or our defenses, so when we hear about UFOs,
>we usually deduce that the things flying them are very advanced compared to us,
>therefore have the weaponory to destroy us at the flick of a switch. And, unlike
>nuclear weapons, we have _no_ defenses against UFOs _whatsoever_. When the
>public realise this, they will realise that any worry they have is absolutely
>_nothing_ compared to the UFO threat and so will turn to crime because they'll
>think "Sod it, the UFOs will get us sooner or later, so I may as well make the
>most of the time I've got now". In short, they'll turn to anarchy.
>
>	That's why there is a cover-up.

Exactly...

Jeff-




Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: 7&^ IVO&^T  (&#(*&J&*#$@% ;-)! )
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:22:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.120855.3009@dct.ac.uk>
bsrrg@dct.ac.uk writes:
 
>
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              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C)(NC()^#%(^#@)N#B!!!! :(
 
 
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From: Adrian.Jenkin@f873.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Adrian Jenkin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:59:00

In a message dated 19 Jan 93  22:17:24, beede@sctc.com wrote:

>People who say that they dont watch tv at all are idiots.

 B> This is a new tack in this old argument.  In fact, it gives me
 B> inspiration for a few more:

 B>     People that can read are illiterate!

 B>     Math professors can't count!

 B>     People that don't eat raw rats are not gourmets!

Your way of saying that this has been reduced to bickering?

If that is so I quite agree.

Later Mate,

Adrian


 * Origin: The Deep Woods BBS (08) 287-2224 (3:800/873)
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: My researches with UFOs and Diamagnetism
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:15:15 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan23.083941.185574@zeus.calpoly.edu>, atemps@zax.acs.calpoly.edu (A Richard Temps) writes...
>OK now... the book that really gave me a big clue as to how they might work
>is an old 1970 book entitled 'Diamagnetism and UFOs', by some professor
>Burt.  In short he proposed a new theory to account for the behaviour of
>electrons and protons with regards to diamagnetism...................
>		- Richard Temps
>		  atemps@zax.calpoly.edu

Given that all the above handwaving actually works, how did they get here?
There's no mass out in space to be repulsed by the alleged force.

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
From: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Help find adress.
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

jas@stud.hsn.no (JOHN-ARILD STRM) said:

JS/*Can someone find me the adresses to High-Schools in Kentucky. My
sister goes JS/*to school at one of them and I like to talk to her.
I can use Email, netnews JS/*and telnet.

Confess now! Is your sister an alien?

 Andy ~ london ~ uk                        andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk
                                           notes01@clstr.pnl.ac.uk
---
 . SLMR 2.1a #112 . Uta kwanga chai?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:50:31 CST
From: <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 7&^ IVO&^T

In article <1993Jan22.120855.3009@dct.ac.uk>, bsrrg@dct.ac.uk says:
>
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I wholeheartedely agree!
Ethan Haslett
P.S. ^%O@#5 ^L83M%