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From: brevik@herb-ox.berkeley.edu (John Brevik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Backspin Out Of Sand
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:10:19 GMT
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In article <703086242.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
>How does one get BACKSPIN on a ball that is exploded out of  a  sand
>trap?  You can see the pros do it, but HOW?  My understanding of the
>basic sand trap explosion shot is the old "hit two inches behind the
>ball  and  let the sand push the ball out".  This means the clubface
>grooves never touch the ball to impart backspin.  What am I  missing
>here????

This is one of those rare cases where the folklore is just about right-on.
The important thing is to take a relatively shallow cut of sand out from
under the ball.  As I understand it, the backspin is caused by friction
between the sand and the ball; as I have observed firsthand, it is possible
to get a lot more spin that way than from an ideal lie on the fairway!
  Johnny Miller once talked about how the macho thing with him and his
friends was to see how much they could get a ball to back up hitting out of
a practice bunker.  He said he once backed one up sixty feet (!!), and
he described the game as "more fun than burning rubber any time."


-- 
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From: SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Spin
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:22:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
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I'm a decent golfer, roughly a 10-12 handicap on country club
courses, and I'm curious about backspin. I hit the ball long
and fairly accurate tee to green, and my weakness is putting.
Anyway, I can't figure why I don't get more spin. What's the
secret? I hit a 9 iron 145 yards, and it will hit, bounce a couple
of feet, check up and stop. None of this 10 foot backup you see
on TV. I've tried different balls, doesn't matter. I've seen Lee
Trevino pitch from 60 yards and back it up 15 feet. I play
on both bent and bermuda grass. Even when I try to back up my
wedge, it will check up, but not back up. What's the secret?
 
No big deal, just curious. Any answers welcome. Thanks in advance.
 
 
Chuck Oertli
SAS INSTITUTE INC.
AUSTIN, TX                                SASCHO@MVS.SAS.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:08:41 GMT

thompson@titan.trl.OZ.AU (David Thompson) writes:
: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
: >clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
: >>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
: >>WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS
: >Obviously a peasant....
:
: Obviously a POM - wots a 'pringle' jumper ?  
:
: Play Golf in Australia - you dont need a jumper for 9 months of the
: year.

I would love to.  Send your donations to:

	Send Grant to Austraila Golf Fund
	11632 Monroe Street
	Minneapolis, MN, USA  55434

Donations are not tax deductable (At least not in the US).  Donations
over $5 (US, Au or Cdn) will receive a post card from Australia signed
personally by me.

Now, back to the previous tangent:

I'm starting to figure this out -- a "jumper" is what I would call a
"sweater" right?  As in: "Basil, you've got a kipper sticking out of
your jumper."

So what does the qualifier "pringle" mean??

Oh, and whats a "POM"??

Enquiring minds want to know!

--
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From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: All this talk about the pros clubs...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:39:24 GMT

>
>        It's not the arrow, it's the Indian!!!
>
>Eric J. Seeger                          Phone:  (703) 351-3551
>Sterling Software IMD                   UUCP:   uunet!ssdc!eseeger
>Vienna, Va. 22182                       Fax:    (703) 821-1485

I would still bet all my golf balls on the AMATEUR indian
using crossbow and scope technology.

Joe
From: green@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.bruce.green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: borethru shaft replacement
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:33:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

>
>
>Does anyone know if it's possible for golf club repair shops
>to replace/change shafts on the bore-thru clubs such as the
>Callaway and Mizuno woods??  It would seem to be more difficult
>than with conventional shafts and heads.
>
>rick
.
Done it!  Had it!  Doin' it!  Had it!  (from S.N.L.)

If anything, it's easier.
					Dave Green
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Couples/Daly long ball hitters
Date: 1 Apr 92 16:32:05 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <1119.29d86c88@mbcl.rutgers.edu> zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>> bhoughto@hopi.intel.com writes:
>> :     John Daly is listed as 5'11", 175lbs.  Drove 288.9 avg. in '91
>> :     Fred Couples is listed as 5'11", 185lbs.  Drove 280.7 avg. in '91
>> : Couples is _bigger_ than Daly.
>>
>> If this is true, I am not sure why John Daly is being portraied as
>> a long hitter?
>
>	Holy smokes Yi, you must hit the ball a ton!!

Daly's average may be only 8 yards better than Boomboom's,
but he often cranks 350+.  His variance is much larger, and
his accuracy is less than average.  He may have won last
year's PGA, but he'll never win the US Open unless he gets
some genuine consistency.

				--Blair
				  "Whaddaya mean, '10-year exemption?'"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:27:32 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <54750@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes:


> >>>Great win by Couples at Augusta yesterday. I was actually hoping he
> >>>would miss the par putt on 17 to make the climax more exciting, but it
> >>>just goes to show what a great temperament the man has now got.
> >>I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
> >>comes along !

>If he is playing the Heritage, then I would STILL keep an eye on Freddy.

> >>   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
> >>   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
> >>     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .

>Keep doubting Ray Floyd, and keep being prepared to be surpised.

It would be a popular win if Floyd did the business at Pebble Beach but
it would be infinitely more popular if Nicklaus won. The trouble with
Jack is he has one bad round that really destroys his chances in the
majors: he shot a 76 in the final round at Augusta last year and had a
poor second round in last year's US Open. He really needs to get that
bad round out of the way early on while still being only a handful of
shots behind going into the final round. Then he can shoot 66 or 67 and
win! I recall he shot 63 in a tourney on the regular tour last year so
he still has what it takes.

> >>Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .
> >>I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
> >>Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .

Nothing wrong with par golf if it wins you the event!

> >>All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
> >>player has to go cold sometime !! 

>I am sure all the tour players believe that one! :-)

> >
> >What lucky streak are you talking about, Madhav? Are you saying that
> >Floyd's birdie on 14 was'nt lucky and he intended it to clatter into the
> >hole?

>That was a hell of a shot!  Freddy's play of 14 on Sunday convinced me that
>he would win and deserved to win - very nice after the trouble on 13.

> >Couples played solid, good quality golf throughout the Masters and
> >could well go on to win many more majors. He may be on a hot streak but
> >that does'nt mean he's on a lucky streak!

>Amen.

> >
> >It seems pretty obvious that an American will win the US Open because
> >the Europeans have done crap. I think the US Open is probably the
> >hardest major to win and,

>No doubt.

> >like any US Open course Pebble Beach is tough.
> >Which reminds me of the piece of "luck" Tom Watson had there!

>Yep, but not as lucky as Larry Mize winning the Masters.

Am I correct in thinking that if Watson had not chipped in at Pebble
Beach his ball would have rolled off the green? It certainly looked as
though Mize's ball was heading for the water.

Brendan.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:30:45 GMT

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
: clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
: 
: >GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
: >WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS
: 
: Obviously a peasant....
:

With a stuck caps-lock key.  (or has BIFF re-surfaced in the UK?)

What in the name of Arnold Palmer are "PRINGLE JUMPERS" ???????

--
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Rosemount Inc.                                |sobbing on a SHAG RUG?!
                                              |
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From: eric@fpucker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Eric Swanson)
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:35:25 GMT

In article <fragante.703277760@chilko.ucs.ubc.ca>, fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
|> In <1992Apr14.153248.14374@watson.ibm.com> tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com writes:
|> 
|> >It would have been a penalty if he did it while his ball was in the hazard,
|> >you can't ground your club (in the hazard) while the ball is in a hazard.
|> >Thats why he took his practice swings outside the hazard.
|> >BTW, it looked to me as if he was trying to get the ball that he scooped out
|> >of the water to stop on the hill. If you see it again, notice he throws the
|> >ball onto the hill to see if stops, which it does. Then knocks the ball back
|> >into the water.
|> >Tom
|> 
|> Well, I would think it would be a penalty outright the fact that he stroked the
|> other ball with his club. It's like saying that he took a practice *shot* (and
|> not just a swing) whether intentionally or not. My Dad lost a tournament this
|> way when, after making his last and winning putt on the 18th hole, he went to
|> the fringe of the green to practice a few more putts while waiting for his 
|> challenger to finish his own last putt. And while my Dad won the tournament by a stroke, the
|> challenger threw the rule book at him for that practice stroke which was
|> considered a penalty.
|> 
|> Is this ruling correct or wrong ?	

Rule 7-2 Concerning practice durning a round states:

 " A player shall not play a practice stroke either during the play os a hole or
   between the play of two holes except that, between the play of two holes, the
   player MAY proctice putting or chipping ON or NEAR the putting green of the
   hole last played, any practice putting green or the teeing ground of the next
   hole to be played in the round, provided such practice strokeis not played from
   a hazard and does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7)."

It look like your father got screwed.

-- 
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From: v082km63@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (SPANKY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Masters leaderboard: the top five
Keywords: MASTERS LEADERBOARD
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:27:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Golf fans:
Not that anyone cares what I think, buthere goes my masters leaderboardd for
'92.

1. Freddie "Boom Boom" Couples at 13 under, *in playoff on third hole 
2. Greg "The Shark" Norman at 13 under after losing playoff (woes continue)   
3. Nick Faldo at 12 under blowing a 10 footer for birdie to tie at 18
4. Ian "Woosie" Woosnam at 11 under after making a REPEAT effort on day 3
5. "Gentle" Ben Crenshaw at 10 under after lingering for the whole tournament

Others making an appearance, but only for show (not meaning business),
Seve Ballesteros, Jose-Maria Olazabal, Davis Love III, Ian-Baker Finch,
Payne Stewart, Curtis Strange and Mark Calcavecchia. (Deane Beman outta no 
place!) 

Grab some chips and some sodas and a comfy seat about 5 p.m. Sunday evening, it
is going to be a great finish....but isn't it always?

Anyone else care to make a statement?

Enjoy,

NB:  I think it may be something to note that three of my top five play
Maxfli golf balls.  Yeah, they get paid, but they play well too! 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: Backspin Out Of Sand
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:40:03 GMT

>it live, only on replay.  Anyway, Freddy holed the shot, and he was in
>the middle front of the bunker and only had a few feet of green
>between himself and the pin. When he hit the shot he let go of the club
>with his right hand, and his follow through was with the left hand
>only on the club. The announcers said something about that but I
>didn't quite catch what they were talking about, since it wasn't live.
>Does anyone know if this was intentional? Was it to get more spin on
>the ball?  Curious minds wnat to know.
>
>--

Freddie does it intentionally. Try it. You will be VERY surprised at
your results. No more spin, that's another topic. But more control
Watch his full swing, too. Sometimes his right hand comes off also.

In bunkers (these are not traps!), at a minimum, in my opinion, the
right hand should be set in a weak position to ensure it doesn't turn
over and result in the club face closing and reducing the club's ability
to glide through the sand or wind up hitting the sucker clean into the
next county. It is a theory that works for Freddie (and me but too a
much less degree) I am always amazed at how much control and feel
I get using my "stupid" hand to control these bunker and chip shots
Try it. Try it. Try it. Then try it with your eyes shut......in slow
motion


I'll post more on spin from bunkers and the fairway tommorrow.

But one more thing. For that shot also notice where his weight is
set. It's on his left side.

joe
From: eseeger@ssdc.UUCP (Eric Seeger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: All this talk about the pros clubs...
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:42:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sterling Software IMD, Vienna, Va.

v082km63@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (SPANKY) writes:
: 
: Golf fans:
: I think all this talk about which clubs which pro uses has got to stop.  I am
: constantly hearing that Freddie (I like ie rather than y) uses Lynx and this
: one uses Tommy Armour and this one uses Titleist.  When you get right down to
: it, there is some truth about playing well and the club you use, but in my
: estimation, it comes from the golfer and the golfer mainly.  I am sure if you
:             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: gave Freddie a set of old clubs from underneath that junk in your basement/
: garage, he'd be able to hit the hell out of his Maxfli's (golf balls is for
: another day).
: 
I totally agree with you on this one!!  Anyone I talk to about golf equipment
who runs out and buys this and that just because he's not playing well, there's
one statement that pertains to every level of golfer:

	It's not the arrow, it's the Indian!!!

If you don't practice to get better, no club in the world is going to give
you better results in the long run.  Now I will say, if you can hit the ball
as consistent as the players on tour, you can definitly feel differences in
a variety of clubs.

Just my two golfing cents, coming from someone who plays a Wilson Firestick
Driver, a 15yr old Wilson lamenated 4 wood (an old favorite that has been 
rebuilt twice), and Spalding Tour Edition irons and has a 7 handicap.
-- 
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From: "thomas baker" <thomas.baker@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: bare feet detrimental
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:12:02 EST
Reply-To: "thomas baker" <thomas.baker@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

>are the safety factors.  Putting greens are treated regularly with
>fertilizers and pesticides.  I don't believe that this is a realistic fear
>as the chemicals are almost always immediately watered in and diluted after
>application.  Another safety consideration is damaging one's foot on

MO>I agree w.r.t. the danger in absorbing pesticides and other chemical used as
MO>fertilizers. Sometimes I see players mark their ball on the green, pick it up
MO>and LICK it to clean it. My wife was reading an article a couple of days ago on
MO>how careful one should be when going to parks (particularly with kids, who tend
MO>to be all over the grass) or other grassy open areas, since the amount of
MO>chemicals used in those areascould be very unhealthy. (Even though the chemicals
MO>may be APPROVED by whatever government organization).

As a former licensed pesticide applicator in the state of New York I'd 
say you are more likely to be adversly affected by  the screen  you're 
now looking at than properly applied chemicals on  the putting  green. 
And if these chemicals are not properly applied you're more  likely to 
be affected by transferring them from the ball to your hands and  then 
to your mouth, eyes,  etc.  BTW,  when a  chemical is  approved it  is 
approved only for use in accordance to its' labeling and instructions. 
It is the MISUSE of the chemical that usually causes troubles.

TJ Baker
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From: gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Bore-thru shaft replacement
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:22:06 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Computing & Information Services


Does anyone know if it's possible for golf club repair shops
to replace/change shafts on the bore-thru clubs such as the
Callaway and Mizuno woods??  It would seem to be more difficult
than with conventional shafts and heads.

rick
From: twinpks@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Freddy Couples)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Summary: Pebble Beach . . .
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:59:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

How come no one has said thing one about Mark O'Meara?  He has won
three of the last four years at Pebble Beach and played teriffic at
Augusta!  He's definately my bet!

-----------------------------
"Golf, walk with me . . ."
twinpks@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
-----------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: dbeattie@cse.unl.edu (Derek Beattie)
Subject: Draw/Fade
Summary: draw
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:11:36 GMT

I would have to hit a draw on 18 at Sawgrass.  I have never been
able to hit the ball from left to right.
From: mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Mahone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:10:02 GMT
Reply-To: mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Mahone)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.golf, filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
>   Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
>   practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
>   practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
>   rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
>   week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
>   found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
>   greatful if they would share it.

PRACTICE! PRACTICE!! and more PRACTICE!!! is your answer. You want o
your swing to become as natural as breathing. Good luck and now go
		       PRACTICE!!!!!!

mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: tkorho@cs.joensuu.fi (Tommi Korhonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practice/Play swing
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:52:15 GMT
Organization: University of Joensuu

billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:

>filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:
>: 
>:    Has any one come across any succesful methods for taking your
>:    practice swing to the course. I can hit ball after ball in
>:    practice and make great contact. I get good ball flight and
>:    rarly mis-hit. The oposite is true when on the course. I hit
>:    week shots and way to many gross mis-hits. If anyone has
>:    found a way to succesfullly work through this I would be very
>:    greatful if they would share it.

>I think if anyone has successfully worked through this, they are 
>part of the tour.

I believe it is mainly balance of mind: live your golf and you'll do 
just great. Do not think it as the hard game to beat (or be beaten...)
Look at the nature, it helps!

And of course, as said the condition on field is never as good as on the 
range. 

I don't know... It's a matter of your point, if I played for money, I'd 
certianly be stuck, but if you play for a keg of bear, it is nice.


-- 


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From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Bore-thru shaft replacement
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:17:18 GMT

jcampbel@metz.une.oz.au (MR J CAMPBELL) writes:
: 
: 					"He makes walking look easy"
:(An obviously cliche-exhaused commentator on Fred during the Masters telecast) 
:

I was wondering how many people caught that -- he said it at least
twice!  I've never heard so many strained and mixed metaphors, but I
don't watch much sports, so maybe it's "par for the course." (hey, I
didn't say I was opposed to metaphores completely.)

The most annoying part of the coverage was the first ten or fifteen
minutes.  Nothing but syrupy music and sentimental babble about the
Masters.  I felt like I was supposed to be having some kind of
religous experience or something.

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