HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chenx@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Reply from NBC?
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:00:16 GMT

In article <Sep.2.17.51.20.1992.25631@ruhets.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@ruhets.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
> Some time ago, there was a letter sent to NBC protesing over the NBC coverage
> of Olympics. The letter was sent by UC Berkley and Stanford students. Any 
> reply from the network? If any, what kind? If not, is there anything else 
> that can be done?

I would like to ask again if anybody in this network heard anything about it.
There are a lot of postings in this group, and it seems  to me that there
are a lot of Chinese students  would like to do something.  I think it is a real
thing we can do, and I hope to see some output.  I have heard that "Chinese
can say anything (or make any kind of noise, whatever,) but can do nothing".
If we are willing to do something for China, for this country not for anybody
else, it is an opportunity. I am a kind of sad to see this topic is no longer
in the interests  of the most of us.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu)
Subject: (none)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:05:00 GMT

Hi :
  Does anyone knows anywhere to get Fan2 Ti3 Chinese font software
or library. My friend got a pc recently. He want to write some
articles in Chinese. Does anyone knows there are any  Chinese
software (e.g. CCDOS) we can get from network ?
  Any reply will be appreciated.
					  Zhu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:25345 soc.culture.taiwan:13193
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:34:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1992Sep11.174825.20736@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  (Jian-Qi Tan) writes:
>Taiwanese government's feeling of insecurity is a result of its own ambition
>to rule the whole China someday.  Especially these days, many foreign powers
>are keen on promoting "human rights and democracy" in China.  Taiwan couldn't
>wait for the day when the central government collapse and it becomes the
>biggest warlord in China, with many F-16s and Mirages.
>
The collapse of CCP comes from inside, not outside. The facial strong and
inner weak CCP is not going to stand long on the earth.

>Right now as the informal exchanges across the straight become heavier, the
>Taiwanese government fears losing its influence over its own business and
>industry.  That's why it's balking on any talk on more official exchange.
>Why can't Taiwanese government accept the fact that it doesn't have any
>real foreign politicy and it is only a provincial power.  This realization
>is a good starting point of any meaningful talk.

Why you guys, the CCP supporters, can not stay cool? CCP is rotten inside
badly. CCP is incapable to handle national business.  CCP is selling land
to foreign investors. CCP is selling Chinese labors to foreign countries
as slaves. CCP treats you guys like dirt. CCP treats overseas Chinese
like foreigners, having money to rip off.

Why don't you guys wake up! The 6/4 is not too far away from today. Do you
expect another 6/4 show up to the world in front of all TVs?



Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:25498 soc.culture.taiwan:13315
From: jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.W. Rambeau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Pen Pals Wanted...
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:15:18 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: jwr7133@ultb


Hello Netter,

     I would like to have a new pen pals with Chinese or Taiwanese.  (My
favor is new pen pals with Taiwanese.)  I am American, but I hated
American myself.  Also, I am USA Citizien because I am born in USA.  I
am interested into the Taiwanese or Chinese culture.  I would like to
have an E-mail with someone whom live in Taiwanese.  (I don't know about
Chinese computer network because I never connected there before, but You
can send to me, anyway.)  Maybe I have pen pals with someone though
snail-mail in future.  Here is short about myself:

     My name is Jeramey Rambeau.  I am male.  I am born in 1970's.  I am
deaf person.  My home live is in El Cajon, California, USA (Near San
Diego, California, USA).  My birthplace was San Diego, Calif.  My school
live is in Rochester, New York, USA.  My hobbies is the computers, coin
collect coin, and traveling.  I wanted to have a new friend whom live in
Taiwanese or Chinese.

     If you are interested to have a new pen pals with me, then please
send E-mail to me.  My internet address is jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu.  If
you wish to send me by snail-mail, then send to me this school address:

Jeramey Rambeau
CPU-2622
30 Lowenthal Rd.
Rochester, New York 14623
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He)
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.175230.20595@midway.uchicago.edu> shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.171226.19219@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>>In article <liqiang.715967803@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
>>>ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>>>
>>>>I hope CCP crash without bringing China  major dissorder as soon as possible.
>>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>>
>>>My opinion: it doesn't seem likely. I think China is on the right track now.
>>>No form of democracy is going to sustain without the support of a middle
>>>class. This middle class is being produced by economic growth.
>>
>>I have some questions in mind.
>>
>>To my knowledge, the constitution of PRC states clearly that
>>"the People's Representative Assembly, UNDER the guidance of CCP,
>>is the highest ruling power of PRC." --- 
>>logically self-conflicing, isn't it?
>>In other words, CCP is bounded to rule PRC according to this rediculous 
>>constitution chapter.
>>
>>I believe the forming of middle class will certainly change PRC to
>>a certain degree. My question is - "How far could this keep on going
>>without confronting CCP's interests?"
>>
>>Sooner or later, CCP will become the road block 
>>for mainlanders to become better off.
>>In my opinion, the confliction between the CCP and mainlanders who
>>want more freedom is inevitable in the future. 
>>How could CCP be brought down peacefully?
>>
>>And at appropriate time, "Will a strong second party be formed 
>>to challenge CCP and protect the middle class?"
>>
>>"Is it possible to modify/abolish PRC's current constitution
>>without bring down CCP?"
>>
>The question should be: How far can (ordinary) CCP members resist
>the temptation of becoming a member of middle class?

Could you tell us more about an ordinary CCP member?

A Chinese told me that as a CCP member, he can still gain a lot of
advantage which is not measureable in money.
In a country like PRC, surely there are still lots of things
can't be bought with money.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:25242 soc.culture.hongkong:10643 soc.culture.taiwan:13110
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:41:52 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep1.194111.25930@csl.sri.com> dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:
>
>
>|> 
>|> "Drink Water, Think Source"
>
>The source is pretty bad now and I am now drinking other country's water.
>
>|> 
>|> Now, I really believe that Chinese are a grain of sand.  PLEASE PLEASE
>|> PLEASE prove me wrong by posting some suggestions on how to improve
>|> the country!
>|>
>
>I strongly suggest you to read the chinese book written by Ba Young - "The
>Ugly Chinese"(I don't know the official English title). "Chinese are a
>grain of sand" is actually one of his observations.
> 
Just from the fact that you are only thinking about drinking water
from another country is a good example why Chinese are a grain of
sand.  I believe there are a lot of Chinese who are the same and
one day I might be the same too.  However, I will be always thinking
about the source.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Territory of Ancient China : Sui Dynasty
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:34:27 GMT

**Period:

581 -> 618 A.D.

**Dynasty:

Sui Dynasty, formed in 581AD, re-unite China in 589 AD

**Area under Central Control:

At first, Sui only inherited what was left from North/South States.
Later, Sui took back Inner Mongolia, and northern part of QingHai.
However, YunNan is lost.

HaiNan Island is now fully under Central Control.

**Area under Central Influence:

none, except Taiwan.

**Neighbouring States/Tribes/Civilizations:

Mongolia was expanding rapidly to the north.
An Central Asian country stretching from West of China to the Middle East
was quite powerful.
Tibet and another SouthWest Nation were also around.
Various countries were formed at modern Manchuria.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24944 soc.culture.hongkong:10507 soc.culture.taiwan:12918
From: lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese (A sort of defeatism)
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:44:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

In article <9225114.8026@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.175826.18121@clarify.com> rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:
<>>	  
<>>---Cheers,
<>>	Bill
<>>
<>
<>Looking into so many articles in this thread, finally got someone 
<>mentioned the Keyword "Education"! I think the most important and
<>urgent thing for China nowadays is education. Although there are 
<>a lot of brilliant scholar in China that are technically strong,
<>the majority of Chinese are still very ignorant. 
<>
<>
<>-Raymond Choy-
<>
<>
<
<	** You've said it.
<	   Thanks mate!
<
<---Cheers,
<	Bill

There was a discussion on importance of education on this net two years
ago. There is also a "SOS China Education Fund" registered, consisting
basically of netters....
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:05:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.000527.14822@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
> 
> In article <10SEP199215495996@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes...
>> 
>>Some people on the net (including me) has been arguing about
>>TI or Unification. I do not think it really relavent here. 
>>As long as Taiwan is not an independent country (does not mean
>>you can not try but just be ready to be kicked), the issue
>>is really a matter between Beijing and Washington, the
>>two LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN government. 
> 
> Is CCP regime LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN government of China? SOVEREIGN, maybe,
> LEGITIMATE, I doubt it. 
> 
> CCP has been brutally ruling China for 40 years and still claims she is the 
> only political party and will rule China forever. You call this LEGITIMACY? 
> If you think so, then good luck.

  The commonly used word "LEGITIMATE", I guess, is just a misuse of word. In
Chinese, it means He2 Fa3 de. But the problems is what Fa3 (law) does it He2
(legitimate)? The US constitution? The PRC laws? The Taiwan laws? Or Japanese
laws? There are good governments and bad governments. But there seems to be
yet no commonly accepted international laws to determine which government is
legal and which is not legal.

  So the correct explanation of legitimacy should be: be recognized by most of
the countries. Whatever you say, the PRC government is still a legitimated
government today.

  Believe it or not. Every for a government as bad as Hitler's. Nobody has
ever claimed that his government was not legitimated at that time. Because
Hitler obtained his power through public election and he had physical control
of his country. 

---HAMLET
From: etwz@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Polite: the basis of democracy
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:28:08 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

To be polite is the basis of democracy. Only by being polite we show
our respect to other people as to ourselves. Even point of views are
different, we still try to be polite and try to hurt others less.

When point of views and interests are very conflict, we still try to
be polite to avoid physical conflect or wars.

I know I have a bad temper. This is not an excuse. I regret that I
flamed others and hurt them. I am willing to learn to be polite
and to be a gentleman.

I am not disapointed in Chinese, but I know it needs a long time.
I appeal the netters to be polite to each other as a start. If
non-Chinese people wants help, please teach me how to be polite.
Many thanks.

Weimin Zhang
University of South Australia
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: F-16's fear?
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92Sep8.155429edt.143@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes...
>In article <Bu6293.7Hu@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>>In article <65500095@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes...
>>> 
>>>Taiwan is a piece of land got back by China after we defeated Japan, I don't
>>>understand why Mr. Chang says it is a country, if it is a country as
>>>Mr. Chang claimed, there must be very few people know this.
>>> 
>>>By the way, when those asian countries were fighting Japan's invasion,
>>>where were those taiwanese boys and girls, they were not defending
>>>"their own country", I am sure some of them are serving their Japanese 
>>>masters, how did they become so tough in recent years?  
>>> 
>>>They don't have the right to say taiwan is a independent country now, 
>>>it's a piece of land owned by Chinese.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Ze Yang
>>
>>Lets not talk about history in this matter. Or , how can you explain
>>that taiwan defended China against Japanese invasion in the Sino-Japanese
>>war but deserted by China . Where were mainland boys and girls when
>>Taiwanese succesfully stopped Japanese landing on the island. Probably
>>sucking Opium pipe on the bed then sold their brothers in Taiwan to
>>Japanese so that they can keep sucking their pipes. The wound Taiwanese
>>have suffered is painful enough and dosen't need anybody to worsen it.
> 
> 
>I guess you would like the history books to left out General Liu YongFu
>and his "Black Flag Army", wouldn't you?  You would like people to
>believe only Taiwanese borns defended the Island against the Japanese,
>wouldn't you?  Sure a couple of corrupt officials were sucking their
>pipes all the time, but a lot of people defended Taiwan, among them
>even a few Qing officials, literally stick out of their neck to stay
>in Taiwan to fight the Japanese.  You are right, corrupt officials
>of Qing sold Taiwan, but Chinese didn't, the last time I check the
>history books it says the chinese people rose to fight for the province
>side by side, soldiers and civilians, some born on east side of the
>strait and some born on the west side of the strait, together side
>by side they spilled blood against the Japanese invaders.

Taiwan was sold however. Liu fled . Only helpless people were left
behind. Japanese educated their children and drafted them to the 
Japanese army. Who is gonna to be blamed for this?
From: haowang@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Hao Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:31:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

test, ignore!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: News readers from ROT(Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:21:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.175230.20595@midway.uchicago.edu> shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.171226.19219@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>>In article <liqiang.715967803@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
>>>ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
>>>
>>>>I hope CCP crash without bringing China  major dissorder as soon as possible.
>>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

	** Everyone's wish. But it isn't most desirable to see the thing
	   happen "as soon as possible". General adversity would be the
	   aftermath should it all happen all of a sudden or too hastefully.
	   Eg. social unrest, etc.. Pray.

>>>
>>>My opinion: it doesn't seem likely. I think China is on the right track now.
>>>No form of democracy is going to sustain without the support of a middle
>>>class. This middle class is being produced by economic growth.
>>
>>I have some questions in mind.
>>
>>To my knowledge, the constitution of PRC states clearly that
>>"the People's Representative Assembly, UNDER the guidance of CCP,
>>is the highest ruling power of PRC." --- 
>>logically self-conflicing, isn't it?
>>In other words, CCP is bounded to rule PRC according to this rediculous 
>>constitution chapter.

	** As a matter of fact.

>>
>>I believe the forming of middle class will certainly change PRC to
>>a certain degree. My question is - "How far could this keep on going
>>without confronting CCP's interests?"
>>
>>Sooner or later, CCP will become the road block 
>>for mainlanders to become better off.

	** As a matter of fact.

 
>>In my opinion, the confliction between the CCP and mainlanders who
>>want more freedom is inevitable in the future. 
>>How could CCP be brought down peacefully?

	** Self-dissolution sounds ideal.

>>
>>And at appropriate time, "Will a strong second party be formed 
>>to challenge CCP and protect the middle class?"

	** No more new parties on the block please!
	   Won't work! Could end up with something nasty and complicated,
	   while the mean problems unsolved. Don't even think about that.
 	   
>>
>>"Is it possible to modify/abolish PRC's current constitution
>>without bring down CCP?"
>>

	** Possibly. But how long????????? it's got to be? 
 
>The question should be: How far can (ordinary) CCP members resist
>the temptation of becoming a member of middle class?
>

	** This one is easy. In a word: Impossible.


---Politically speaking, cheers,
	Bill


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:25239 soc.culture.taiwan:13107
From: mikemo@bullwinkle.Tymnet.COM (Mike Mo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: France agreed to sell 60 Mirage 2000-5 to ROC
Summary: France will sell 60 Mirage jets to ROC for $2.6 billion
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:53:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

**************** Just saw it on the UPI news 9-10-92 ***********************

France  has agreed  to sell ROC (Taiwan) 60 Mirage 2000-5 fighter jets for 
$2.6 billion dollars.

Last week, President Bush agreed to sell ROC (Taiwan) 150 F16 for $6 billion
dollars, this make France easier to sell their Mirage despite PROC's opposition.

Another reason made France agree on this jet sale is: ROC has started a $300
billion "national infrastructue project", and France do intended to be involved
as well as USA, UK.

*****************************************************************************
(~)/~)/~)    (~)/~)/~)         | mikemo@tymnet.com
 /  /  /      /  /  / /~~)     | San Jose, CA. USA
/  /  (_ o   /  /  (_(__/      | Just another Chinese in Silicon Valley
Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.  Copyleft 1992

Always ask "why not?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Michael Chang in US Open Semi-Final!
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:25:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.223243.12414@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.212947.2196@objy.com> cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
>>
>>Another interesting notes: the US top men tennis players are either
>>first or second generation immigrants:
>>	Agassi:		second generation Iranian
>>	Chang:		second generation Chinese
>>	Courier:	from Australia(?)
>>	Lendl:		first generation Czech.
>>	Sampras:	second generation from Greek
>>
>
>     Does Lendl become a citizen of US?
>    I guess he is still keeping Czech citizenship
>    even though he lives here over 10 years. Patriot?

During the match between Lendl and Edberg, I heard the commentator
saying that Lendl became US citizen just recently. Even though he
is such a celebrity, believe it or not, my guess is that it took him
as long as anyone else would need to land this citizenship.

BTW, anyone got any idea of Lendl's racquet? Someone told me he uses
110lb tension. The highest I have seen in sports stores only goes
up to 75 lbs.

	Fan
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:26:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
    <1992Sep10.063228.27583@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
    <1992Sep11.183028.5596@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:14:34 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:

>>>It takes at least five years to deliver all 150 F-16s.
>>>With 150 F-16s, Taiwanese is still not strong enough to
>>>attack mainland people. Without F-16s, if Taiwanese want
>>
>>I really don't think Taiwan will attack mainland.
>>
>Don't count on KMT. KMT always and still claim that mainland China belong
>to KMT and want to take it back badly. However, TIers only want to
>independent from China. So, its a simple logic to figure out who is more
>danger to China. The one who want to attack you or the one who want to walk
>away from you ?

>Yi-Chieh

Who is going to buy the planes? Not TIers? too bad. Please accept my sympathy.