From: mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey)
Subject: Re: animals in research
Followup-To: talk.politics.animals
Organization: Dept. Foods & Nutrition, Univ. of GA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:45:14 GMT

In article <BzFC5C.8IJ@wpg.com>, russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) wrote:
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> From article <mhulsey-171292121313@fatrat.fcs.uga.edu>, by mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey):
> mh> Further delay?  Don't be an asshole.  How about coughing up some of 
> mh> those references that YOU have been promising for nearly TWO MONTHS!
> 
> My alleged shortcomings won't change the fact that you've made some
> personal accusations that you apparently couldn't substantiate.

Your shortcomings are not "alleged," but factual.  I cannot prove that
Barnard does not have a degree or other credentials in nutrition.  If he
did, he would have indicated so when he wrote his book on "nutrition"
called "The Power of Your Plate" or when giving any one of his many press
conferences.  He clearly has no publications referenced in Medline remotely
related to nutrition, as I demonstrated.
 
> mh> I am not stalling Russell.  Unlike you, my time here is limited.  I 
> mh> will no longer attempt to respond to every point you make.  This 
> mh> should not matter to you, as you have evaded, and continue to evade, 
> mh> many of my questions.  If you have time on your hands, you should 
> mh> consider answering some of these unanswered questions, without further 
> mh> delay, rather than making false accusations about me.  
> 
> Thanks for the spew, Martin.

I wish that I could thank you for some answers, but I cannot.
 
> mh> A year ago, I did a Medline (MESZ, 1966 to present) search on the criterion
> mh> "Barnard-N.au. or Barnard-N-D.au."  I found only two full-length
> mh> references, which began in 1986:
> mh> ...
> mh> Medline encompasses over 5,000 medical journals (at last assessment), but
> mh> is missing some.  Some of my full-length, peer-reviewed, publications are
> mh> not listed there.  I assume that the same is true for Barnard.
> 
> You've claimed that you have eight peer-review publications to 
> your credit (I believe).

I do.

However, I used Medline to look for 
> articles written by "Hulsey, MG" and found only three.

Yes.  A fourth should appear soon.  I acknowleged that Medline doesn't show
all of mine, and also indicated that the same was probably true for
Barnard.

>If we're 
> going to judge Neil Barnard's credibility on the basis of medline 
> searches, then it's only reasonable for us to judge Martin 
> Hulsey's credibility by the same measure.  Otherwise, we'd be
> guilty of hypocrisy, don't you think???  Why did you mislead us 
> about the number of your publications and/or the significance of 
> medline searches?  

I did not mislead anyone.  I offered to post my entire curriculum vitae if
you would simply tell us about your degree.  You refused.  
 
> mh> I do not consider my own publication record spectacular, but I am not the
> mh> one calling press conferences falsely proclaiming that nutritional
> mh> recommendations should be altered.
> 
> This is a matter of opinion, don't you think?

The first clause is an opinion.  The second one is a fact.
 
> mh> I have had my degree less than one year.  Nonetheless, even I have 
> mh> more publications referenced in Medline than Barnard:
> 
> Can we determine the quality of your work by the quantity of your 
> publications?

Yes, to some extent.  There are also other considerations.
 
> Can we determine the quality of your work by pointing to the academic
> reputation of the institution that awarded your degrees?

Again, to some extent.

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mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu                      Society for Neuroscience
Martin G. Hulsey                              National Rifle Association
Dept. Foods & Nutrition      Society for the Study of Ingestive Behavior
University of Ga.    North American Association for the Study of Obesity