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From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Charles and Di (Was Re: The New Pres/Project)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:32:39 GMT

In article <Carole-101192153302@cis_staff-kntx44.cis.brown.edu> Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.105125.6259@csd.uwe.ac.uk>, as_radfo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (AS
>Radford) wrote:
>> 
>> Have you considered looking at the charts of Prince Charles/Princess Di
>> to see if they suggest anything related to the scandal sheets' current
>> obsession?

>Sorry, I haven't studied the royal charts, but have run a CONTACT report on
>them a few years back, to use as a sample.  Aren't they a Capricorn/Taurus
>combo?

Charlie is a Scorpio, and Di is a Cancer. Prince Charles was born
November 14, 1948 at 21:14 GMT, London, 0W06, 51N30 (according to
Marc Penfield in his "2001" collection).

Lady Diana (formerly Diana Spencer) was born July 1, 1961 at 19:45 GMT,
Sandringham, England, 0E30, 52N50 (according to a Matrix Compact Data
file).

I haven't examined the charts in detail, but I couldn't help but notice
one heavy transit. Diana has a tight natal T-square of Moon in Aquarius
opposite Uranus in Leo, both square Venus in Taurus. Pluto is now
applying to aspects with all three planets, forming a Grand Cross!
Talk about an unstable pattern!


Maggie
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Uranian Astrology
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:44:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hi Carol,

This sounds very interesting.  Will be looking forward to more of 
your postings on this subject.

Yes indeed Mercury is retrograde.  Had a call yesterday to start
a new patient today, today I was told not to go the patient was
on her way back to the hospital for re-admission.  Fasten your
seat belts all!

Linda :-(
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: question
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:46:35 GMT

Hi.  I'm new to this group, and I've been reading different books about 
astrology and learning how to do the most 'basic' charts -- planetary 
positions and house positions.  I'm hestitant about spending the time and 
effort to go into the precise calculations about the different relationships 
between the planets and how present positions signify an individual's life 
position at any given point in time.  In other words, I look at the chart as 
symbolic for a life's challenge and meaning, but I'm not sure about the use 
or legitimacy of the more complicated matters.
    My question: Is it worth my while to explore astrology further into 
these more complicated, mathematical problems?  If so, are there any books 
or aids that you could recommend.  I do have a general knowledge of the 
signs and their meanings.  Thank you.
        -- Scott, University of Minnesota
From: "Vinay K. Kansal" <kansal@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: *** QUESTION REGARDING CALCULATION OF TRANSITS IN ASTROLOG ***
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:46:01 GMT



Hi guys,

I recently started using ASTROLOG ( dos version) for calculating transits.
While calculating transits based on my natal chart, Astrolog does not ask
for longitude/latitude of my present location. To be more specific, I was
born in Delhi, India and presently live in Bloomington, Indiana. On the 
other hand Astrol96 asks for longitude of prsent location  whereas 
Astro271 asks for both longitude and latitude of present location.

The transits calculated by Astrolog and Astrol96 differ quite a bit from
each other.

Could some knowledgeable netter solve this problem for me.

Please send your replies to

Kansal@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

thanks.


Vinay K. Kansal
Dept. of Econ.
Indiana University, Bloomington IN 47406
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATIONS
Keywords: none
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:54:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.161808.17373@pony.Ingres.COM> walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker) writes:
>I remembered reading in several publications a while ago regarding 
>assassinations of U.S. presidents elected in years ending in "0", and their
>relationship to certain planetary conjunctions. None of these books really
>went into detail however. It had something to with a Jupiter/Saturn 
>configuration (??). Examples of this would be Lincoln, Kennedy, and the 
>attempt on Reagan (who broke the pattern by surviving the attempt on his life).

I haven't checked it out personally, but I have heard that for each
president who did *not* survive his office, Jupiter and Saturn were
conjunct in an earth sign when he was elected. When Reagan was elected,
Jupiter and Saturn were conjunct, but not in an earth sign; they were
in Libra.

Jeanne Dixon made a name for herself as a psychic by predicting, as
many astrologers did at the time, that Kennedy would be killed.
Unfortunately, she did not attribute the prediction to astrology
or to others, but to her own psychic powers (as I recall). Those
powers actually appear to be quite limited.


Maggie
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: more on baby boomers
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:21:03 GMT
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

As someone born at the very tail end of the baby boom (1960), I read the 
debate between Neptune/Libra and Neptune/Leo people with interest.  What 
about us Neptune/Scorpio types?  And, perhaps more importantly, how far can 
one go using Neptune to categorize a generation?  (For instance, I'm also 
Pluto/Leo, which in that sense would tie me in with many Neptune/Libras).  
In any event, I hope the original poster was right that Clinton signifies a 
return to or victory of the Libran ideals -- the mixture in his chart of Leo 
and Libra might be a sign that he won't suffer indecision in weighing out 
possibilities.  But aren't these ideals in some sense superficial?  Not 
wanting to sound like George Bush (who is extremely superficial), but there 
is a sense that Clinton's bringing people together looks for harmony without 
an underlying sense of spiritual or at the very least intellectual 
principle.  I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but it does make it seem 
less likely that Clinton will be able to move beyond the materialist bias of 
our culture.
     -- Scott, U. of Minnesota
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Mecury Retrograde
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 6 Nov 1992 14:31:28 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <1dc9mmINNj99@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Linda Paquette) wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
>      Read your post about Retro. Mercury.  I have some comments 
> and questions. I have worked in hospitals for 10 years and done 
> home health care for 6 years including Hospice or terminal patients.
> It is a strange thing, but many people die during a Merc. retro. 
> period. I am sure there are many other aspects but I noticed an
> unusual number of deaths, including two of my sisters, during these
> retrograde periods.  Any comments?

When Mercury is moving forward, information and communication go forward. 
If those same things get stuck during a station, then retro of the planet,
the symbolism would be the same - inability to move forward maybe
depression and lack of new knowledge unavailable resulting in giving up due
to a weakened state of mind or condition.
> 
>      Also, many seemingly good opportunities seem to arise during
> these periods.  Why?
By the same token if one needs to concentrate on reviewing a situation or
their studies, then the ability to not try for new knowledge but just
taking the time to clear up the old, review to old, can result in a
thorough understanding of the subject.


  In my own chart, Asc. is Virgo, Nep. conjunct
> ing, Mercury in Pisces conjunct Saturn, loosely conjunct Venus.
> Natal Mercury is direct, progressed is retrograde. Mixed up
> character that I am!  Comments?

Linda, you have a mutual reception aspect with those planets in your chart.
 I would imagine you are able to deal effectively in the areas of
relationships dealing with health and service areas.   Neptune usually
clouds things so you may not feel especially confident in those areas.  You
could overcome this by sitting down with a friend/relative and write down
your actual accomplishments
thereby bringing in the reality factor.  This would be a corroborated set
of facts you can count on.
Regards, Carol
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Astrology real, yeah right!
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:14:46 CST

stancad@woods.ulowell.edu writes:

>How can anybody take strology seriously? Unless you're either dumb or
>desperate. Astrology is only a scheme to make money; it has no real use even if
>it did work.

>Nostradamus (I probably spelt this wrong, but then who cares!)

Another person in my kill file.

Wheeee

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From: banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu (Rick Banghart, IPTV)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Blue*Star software
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:45:29 GMT
Reply-To: banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Nov6.224549.2256@morwyn.uucp>, forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes...
>From article <1992Nov6.141339.27988@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
>banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu has written:
>+--------------------
>| In article <1992Nov4.125434.23827@morwyn.uucp>, forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes...
>| >I called Matrix software for information about these Blue*Star packages...
>| > 
>| >According to the guy I spoke with, these are written in compiled basic,
>| >and thus are only available for the IBM-PC class machines (MessyDOS).  I
>| >asked about the possibility of porting them to UNIX (similarly, there
>| >are basic packages around) and he didn't seem to enthused... plus the
>| >graphics portion would be hell, I am sure...
>| 
>| Graphics?!?  In Blue*Star?!?!?  I sure haven't seen any.
>| 
>| It's entirely character based, as far as I've seen.
>| 
>+--------------------
> 
>	Geez. 
> 
>	Sorry, I didn't realize that..  the pamphlet that was sent to me from
>	Matrix had a lot of graphs and so forth.  I just checked and they
>	are all printed out. 

I didn't intend to come off so harshly.  Blue*Star has IMHO the
best printed output.  But on the screen it is entirely character
based.  From what I've seen of Astrolabe's Chart Wheels, Blue*Star
now has some real competition for high res chart printed output.

Rick 
> 
>	I wonder of the portability.  That was what I asked about.
> 
> 
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From: v557nv8k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu )
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: NATAL INTERPRETATIONS AS EXAMPLES
Keywords: just a suggestion
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <11NOV199212455966@vax2.concordia.ca>, gautam@vax2.concordia.ca (MUNDKUR, GAUTAM) writes...
> 
>I think one of the best ways to learn about natal interpretations is by
>using the examples of some well known person's chart along with various
>discussions.
> 
>Can someone post names of such books which exclusively do this ? May be this
>is also a good reference material that deserves listing in resources list.
>Also, I found one of Maggie's postings on saturn very interesting. may be these
>also desrve listing among  resources.
> 
>Thanks
>gautam


I do not know of any book but I have the chart information of Queen
Victoria and maybe the group can use it to discuss aspects, patterns
etc.  She is very well-known and should be easy to see the relevancy
of the different interpretations.

G. Dubois

(I think it was tried before but there were very few people willing
to offer input, that is there were more learners than there were
instructors :-)
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Baby-Boomers on the Move
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:01:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Maggie,

     Didn't mean to come down so hard on the baby boomers. I come
from a rather in-between generation - Pluto in 
Cancer, Neptune in Virgo.  Don't need the glory, power or money of 
the previous generation and with my Pisces planets, am always for
the underdog!

    As the mother of five and Granny of eleven, I am also a worry
wart.  Enjoy your posts.

Regards,
Linda
From: IO20951@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Mecury Retrograde
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:16:29 GMT
 <Carole-061192093236@cis_staff-kntx18.cis.brown.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

Another interesting phenomenon I've noticed regarding Mercury retrograde:
As a creative writer, I notice that when Mercury is direct, the ideas I
have for stories flow more smoothly than when it is retrograde.  But
instead of losing hope for being able to communicate effectively when
Mercury is retrograde, I have found that it is a great time to go back
and edit what I've been working on, because I can turn a more critical
eye to what I've got and be ready to throw out what doesn't work,
or change it to something that does work.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: frank@i1.msi.umn.edu (Loren Frank)
Subject: science and astrology...
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:48:47 GMT

Hello. I was just curious if any of you knew of any scientific studies 
concerning the accuracy of astrology. I know about Gauquelin's (sp?) work,
and I am not overly impressed, as the correlations he found do not seem
to apply to American sports figures, but if there are any other studies, I
would be interested to know about them....


Loren Frank
From: mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson)
Subject: Re: Astrology usage, and animals?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:35:57 GMT

forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:


>We see astrology used for people, countries, events, etc., but what
>about astrology and pets?  Not that it's easy to ascertain the birth time
>of a dog, but ...

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I posted this question a while back.  I don't know if all pets exhibit
personalities based on their charts, but I have two poodles which are
some of the smartest dogs and they definitely "fit" their charts.  Maybe
it depends on the type of animal or the breed of the animal.  I've never
really done any other research.  Here's what I wrote:

Have any of you run charts for your pets?  Sounds funny but I have found
that they exhibit many of the qualities in their charts.  For instance, I
have two poodles.  One poodle is very vocal and "talkative" (Leo Moon) and
she loves people and "performing" little antics for others (Leo rising). 
She also gets bored with her toys very quickly (Gemini sun).  She is also
very protective of her owners and will bite if necessary (Mars in
Scorpio). My other poodle is very shy around strangers (Cancer sun) and
gets his feelings hurt easily and holds grudges.  His has tons of energy
and would play all day and night if someone would indulge him (Mars in
Aries) and also a nasty temper.  Do any of you have similar experiences? 
We often don't know the birth time for our pets but can at least figure
out their signs and planets. 

Mark
From: hughes@mercury.cis.udel.edu (John Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATIONS
Keywords: none
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:41:03 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Nov9.161808.17373@pony.Ingres.COM> walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker) writes:
>I remembered reading in several publications a while ago regarding 
>assassinations of U.S. presidents elected in years ending in "0", and their
>relationship to certain planetary conjunctions. None of these books really
>went into detail however. It had something to with a Jupiter/Saturn 
>configuration (??). 
[...]

The configuration in question is indeed a Jupiter/Saturn conjunction that
happens about every 20 years, during the term of presidents elected in 0 years.
The 0-year "indain curse" (as some people called it) began I think in 1840 with
President Harrison, and worked like clockwork up till Kennedy, failing with
Reagan. I have read in one text on mundane astrology that from 1840 to 1960,
the conjunction took place in earth signs, but in 1980 it took place in
Libra (an air sign), and that somehow this could account for the phenomenon 
and its failure with Reagan. Apparently also it's going to kick back in around
the year 2000, so whoever is elected then will continue the cycle. We shall
see; I don't think the connection between American presidents and earth
signs is all that strong, but if the president elected at the turn of the
century does bite it in office, it will certainly be an interesting 
coincidence. Does anyone know how earth signs, Jupiter, and Saturn stand in
the US chart, particularly its 10th house? 

By the way, though all 0 presidents between Harrison and Kennedy died in
office, not all were assassinated (Harrison was just sick, I think).


John
hughes@cis.udel.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mquellas@netcom.com (Matthew Quellas)
Subject: Royal Birth Data
Summary: Corrections to previously posted data
Keywords: Prince Charles & Lady Diana data
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:58:17 GMT

Data previously posted on Prince Charles and Lady Di needs
some corrections.

	Prince Charles
	11-14-48  21:14 GMT
	Buckingham Palace 0 W 08  51 N 30
	verified coordinates and data in the Blackwell Data
Collection

	Lady Diana
	7-1-1961  19:45 British Summer Time, =NOT= GMT
	Sandringham, England 0 E 30  52 N 50
	cited in Lois Rodden's =Astro-Data III= as from Lady
Di's mother. ACS International Atlas indicates Summer Time
used then.

	Wedding of Charles & Diana
	7-29-1981    10:18 am GMT (?) 
	London   0 W 05  51 N 31
	GMT givewn in the Blackwell collection, but ACS
indicates Summer Time in use. Am checking further on the time.
Arthur Blackwell is usually very picky about times, so he may
have made the correction to GMT in his notes. ???


Sidereally yours,
	Matthew
-- 

	Matthew Quellas
		mquellas@netcom.com  
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Houses, Elements & Qualities
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Summary: Basic keywords
Keywords: Symbology
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:51:21 GMT



Astrological Houses:

1st ..... Personality, Health, Looks, the Body, Identity, Ourselves
2nd ..... Money, Personal Property, Possessions, Self Worth, Values
3rd ..... Thoughts, Studies, Short Trips, Communications, Brothers & Sisters
4th ..... Father, Real Estate, Home, End of Things, Past, Instinct, Domestic
5th ..... Speculation, Children, Love Affairs, Hobbies, Recreation, Pride
6th ..... Work, Illness, Food, Employees, Accidents, Service
7th ..... Marriage, Partnerships, Open Enemies, Relationships, Other People
8th ..... Death, Inheritance, Taxes, Money of Others, Debts, Sex, Rebirth
9th ..... Religion, Long Trips, Higher Education, Adventure, Legal Matters
10th .... Profession-career, Fame & Position, Mother, Business, Credit, Honor
11th .... Hopes, Wishes, Social Activities, Friends, Acquaintances, Groups
12th .... Secret Enemies, Sorrows, Confinement-Hospitals or Prisons, Occult

Elements:

FIRE .... Aries, Leo, Sagittarius ........... Enthusiastic, Spiritual
EARTH ... Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn .......... Practical, Reliable, Sensual
AIR ..... Gemini, Libra, Aquarius ........... Mental, Intellectual, Rational
WATER ... Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces ........... Inituitive, Emotional 

Qualities:

CARDINAL  Aries, Libra, Cancer, Capricorn ... Initiative
Fixed ... Taurus, Scorpio, Leo, Aquarius .... Stability
MUTABLE . Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces  Adaptability

Plantary Characteristics:

SUN ..... Vitality ........ Ambition ........ Arrogance
MOON .... Personality ..... Adaptable ....... Inconstancy 
MERCURY . Thought ......... Expression ...... Restlessness
VENUS ... Harmony ......... Love ............ Pliancy
MARS .... Energy .......... Initiative ...... Temper
JUPITER . Good Luck ....... Confidence ...... Over-Confidence
SATURN .. Limitations ..... Stability ....... Selfishness
URANUS .. Awakener ........ Change .......... Unpredicable
NEPTUNE . Illusion ........ Inspiration ..... Deception
PLUTO ... Evolution ....... Transformation .. Unscrupulous

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

:-)

dB
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: The New President
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 6 Nov 1992 14:29:09 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <1dcbhuINNkfi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Linda Paquette) wrote:
> 
> 
> Carol,
>      RE your question about Clinton's middle name-on one of the
> news programs it was stated that he has two middle names, the 
> second being Blythe (don't know the correct spelling. Maybe
> someone else can come up with the names.
> 

Thanks, Linda,

All of the info helps.  Keep it coming folks and when it's definite, I'll
post the results and the details of how to get the package/price.

So far, it looks like it may be William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.  But,
Clinton is the name of the stepfather?  
 
Regards, Carol
> Linda
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: The New President
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:17:00 GMT

In article <1dcbhuINNkfi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette) writes...
> 
>Carol,
>     RE your question about Clinton's middle name-on one of the
>news programs it was stated that he has two middle names, the 
>second being Blythe (don't know the correct spelling. Maybe
>someone else can come up with the names.

I think Blythe was his original last name.


Dave

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: gautam@vax2.concordia.ca (MUNDKUR, GAUTAM)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: NATAL INTERPRETATIONS AS EXAMPLES
Keywords: just a suggestion
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:45:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I think one of the best ways to learn about natal interpretations is by
using the examples of some well known person's chart along with various
discussions.

Can someone post names of such books which exclusively do this ? May be this
is also a good reference material that deserves listing in resources list.
Also, I found one of Maggie's postings on saturn very interesting. may be these
also desrve listing among  resources.

Thanks


gautam