From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:43:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan24.144348.19748
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan22.041919.19278@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.181616.19636@husc3.harvard.edu> abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>>Boris Kuschel <kuschel@ecf.toronto.edu> writes:
>>>Nowhere in 'Mein Kampf' does Hitler say he will kill Jews.
> 
>>True. I never said that he did. I quoted that part of the previouse discussion
>>only because Christian Lampl said that almost nobody read 'Mein Kampf' even 
>>AFTER 1933. Hitler didn't say directly that he is going to murder all Jews. I
>>don't think that in 1924 he already decided to do it. However let me qoute the
>>last chapter of 'Mein Kampf':
>>"If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand
>>of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as
>>happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field,
>>the sacrifice of millions at the front would not be in vain."
>>You wrote me that you read and reread "Mein Kampf" how did you manage to miss a
>>lot of such violently racist passages? 
> 
> He said nothing of the sort.  
> 
> On the other hand, note that it's a hypothetical, and hypotheticals are
> easier to ignore.  Some of us still converse with Greenstein, even
> though he said he would have sentenced Lampl's grandfather to death
> no matter what -- he WOULD HAVE.  Not that he will now, not that he'll
> actually take any action.
> 
>>I agree it is not Final Solution yet. On
>>January 30, 1939 Hitler addressed the Reichstag:
>>"If international finance Jewry whithin Europe and abroad should succeed once
>>more in plunging the peoples into a world war, then consequence will be ... the
>>destruction of the Jewish race in Europe."
> 
> Pretty late in the game, and again, a hypothetical.  Also, no direct 
> statement about *how* they will be  destroyed.
> 
>>Was it also Allies propaganda?
> 
> What is this supposed to mean?
> 
>>>I bet that not one of you read a book that disputed the Holocaust.
> 
>>You are right, I didn't. I had not to. Too many of my relatives were murdered.
>>My parents and my grandparents excaped by a pure luck. So I am not interested
>>in disputes about Holocaust. However I read a lot of books which described
>>Holocaust. 
> 
>>>I don't blame you,
> 
>>>because they are not let in the bookstores. Guess who's responsible for that?
> 
>>Let me try... "International finance Jewry"? Or if you are more modern
>>"Zionists"? It is sad that you are wrong: there are such books in the
>>bookstores.
> 
> This is beneath you.  Christian has not argued anything along this 
> line, and I suggest that you avoid getting in the gutter, especially
> when he's not eve nthere to join you.
> 
>>>Some of this "evidence" that you people spew out is just plain false. 
> 
>>It is very pleasant to read messages from such polite person as you. I could
>>only mention that you don't have any evidence at all.
> 
> Actually, he's spoken about his grandfather, and cited a fair number of things
> that were quite factual.  
> 
>>Christian Lampl, you were eager to fight with Nazis? I am waiting your
>>response. 
> 
> Again, stupid, disgusting tactics like this reflect only on those who
> speak them.  Keep it clean.

Roger, did you understand that my email was an answer to email of Boris
Kuschel, which was directed against Christian Lampl too. I quoted Boris, Chris
have never said such things. When I asked him to respond I was serious, because
Boris writtings were inspired by our dispute with Chris. I understood his email
as "You and Chris are both stupid. You didn't even read "Mein Kampf". Holocaust
never happened. So what a hell are you talking about?"

                               Cordially

                           Victor   Abkevich 
> 
> Roger
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