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From: wcsvic@alfred.carleton.ca (Victor Kamutzki)
Subject: Re: The Pursuit of Happiness (TPOH)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:42:46 GMT

owen@emds.enet.dec.com (Steve Owen) writes:

>Does anyone know what Moe Berg and the rest of "The Pursuit of
>Happiness" is up to these days?

Last I heard, they had split up.  Apparently Moe was not the easiest
guy to get along with.

>Their last album, One Sided Story, was real cool... but it receved no 
>promotion and very little radio play.

Largely because people became disenchanted with them when _Love Junk_
was released.  If you want my pair of pennies, the only TPOH worth
having is the original (indie) release of "I'm An Adult Now".  WEA
signed them after that, and things went downhill.  They lost a lot of
the edge that they had before that.  Too bad - they were one of the
better guitar pop bands at the time.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mus@milton.u.washington.edu (Mustafa Patwa)
Subject: Teenage Fanclub question
Reply-To: mus@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:08:39 GMT

Thanks to everybody who responded to my message.  It looks like I'm going
to get _A Catholic Education_ before the last copy is sold out at my 
favorite Tower records.

I listened to the "What You Do To Me" cd single last night and I don't know
if it's the stuff they recorded to get out of their contract, but I like
it a lot.

Mustafa 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell)
Subject: Charlatans US (Was Re: Charlatans UK tour cancelled)
Organization: Mark-one Communications
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:27:13 GMT


In article <1992Aug21.210445.10472@philabs.philips.com>, cms@philabs.philips.com (Caroline M. Shone) writes:
> In article <schuck.714240796@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
> >james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James) writes:
> >
> >>I just found out to my disappointment that the current Charlatans UK
> >>tour is cancelled.  We called The Masquerade in Atlanta where we had
> >>tickets, and they gave the bad news.  They also said something about a
> >>possible breakup.

Is this the rumor about the Bass player going into psychiatric care?
Or was that a long time ago now it the fast changing world of pop? :))

> Hey! How come I never know when the Charlatans are coming up?  I heard they
> were playing in the Limelight in NY city.  This was about August 14.  Does
> anyone know anything about this?  Also how can I find out about these sort of
> concerts in NY?  Any suggestions?

Anyone out there into the original US Charlatans? Does anyone in the US
particularly CA, have any info. on the "Cream Puffs Wars", which I believe
is a mag. devoted to West Coast Psychedelia (maybe just GD?).
Thanks in advance.
-- 
Mark Powell

mark@lowton.rn.com				Home:	+44 942 714317
uunet!gator!jshark!lowton!mark			Nr. Manchester, UK.
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Drive Like Jehu
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:13:20 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Aug17.213052.23067@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jeho@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (john.e.holmgren) writes:
>
>Anybody got any information on a band called Drive Like Jehu? 
>Do they put on a good live show, what kind of music do they play, etc...

from san diego, ca the band includes-
guitars: john reis and rick fork (both ex-Pitchfork
drums:	 mark trombino and mike soil (both ex-Night Soil Man)

self-titled lp available on cargo/headhunter records, po box 955,
la jolla, ca 92038-9055 or cargo/san diego, 4901-906 moreno blvd,
san diego, ca 92117-3432, (619) 483-9292.

"Irate, window rattling clangor, an effective hybrid of thrash and hard rock
driven demented adenoidal screaming and frenzied rhythms, booming guitars and
harsh dissonant riffs." -- Brutarian Magazine

these folks appeared at the two day independent music fest here in big
d on august 9. a solid set as i remember it.

regards,
james, peters@convex.com
From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Keywords: Read this, indie-rockers!
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:32:27 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


 Obviously major label music isn't bad because it's major label.  Music is good or bad because you like it or you don't like it.  And some of my favorite 
records were released on major labels (though, granted, almost all of those are  pre-83, i.e. from when Warner and Capitol were still signing punk bands). 
	That said, there IS a good argument as to why major labels, per se, 
are bad for rock music.  It's like this.  If you are a band, and a major label
signs you, either (1) you are relatively unknown, but the major thinks it can
make your records sell; or (2) you have already demonstrated that your records
sell.  Examples of (1): Big Dipper, Protex, Straitjacket Fits, the Trilobites,and substitute one or more bands from your hometown whose first single was good. The reason majors are bad for those bands is that when the band doesn't 
already have some clout when they sign, the major can dictate who produces, 
where the bands records, and generally what the LP will sound like.  This causes unknown bands signed by majors to suck.  The last  Straitjacket Fits 
record is a perfect example.  Examples of (2): Sonic Youth, the Fall, Dean 
Wareham/Luna/Galaxie500. These bands have enough clout to dictate what their 
records will sound like when they finally do sign to a major; if their new 
records suck, it's not the fault of the label.  The reason these bands often 
are perceived as morally wrong for signing to a major is that, had they  
stayed with indies, they would have brought the indies some much-needed cash 
--enough to sign some unknown bands are give them, in turn, the exposure 
they (the new bands) would need to become the next Sonic Y or whatever. Indies 
that have prospered without selling out have done so because one or two 
well-known bands have stayed with the label. The classic example is Dischord 
with Fugazi.  Ian & co. have surely received a ton of offers of "complete 
creative control" plus $$$ for going with DGC/WEA/Capitol/whatnot, but they
have stayed with Dischord because Dischord uses the money Fugazi makes to 
release Nation of Ulysses, Desiderata, and Severin records.  It's a moral 
rationale more than anything else.
	In short: major labels make unknown bands suck (in general) , and by 
stealing well-known bands, make the lives of indies (thus, of unknown 
bands) a lot harder.  Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go listen to the 
last Verlaines CD.

steve burt, from WHRB
ben@athena.mit.edu
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 15:48:39 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: New Xymox single

The new Xymox single is out, and on first listen it's not too good.
I noticed they seem to have changed labels?  Will their upcoming
album be readily available in the states?

-Steve, the only guy who liked "Phoenix"
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: arsenic@cs.montana.edu (Michael Hurd)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:41:12 GMT

>>> 
>>> 	Suffer
>>> 	No Control
>>> 	Against the Grain
>>> 	Generator
>>> 	80-85
>> How Could Hell be Any Worse?
>> 
>> This is an early album, but I'm not sure how early.  Somewhere around
>> _Suffer_.
>
>
> It was before suffer and I think heeps of the songs off it are on the 80-85
>album.
>
>James.
>
>
>PS I really really wish B.R would tour Australia but some how I don't think
>that is very likely.
>
>oh well.
>
>
_How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse?  was probably released about five
years before 
_Suffer_. The band broke up for a while after/during doing an album
called _Into_The_Unknown_.  An album even they seem to deny 
making, but a great album nonetheless.

One Greg Hetson (ex - Circle Jerks) but don't hold that
against him, is playing guitar for BR.  And as he was not
one of the musicians on _Into_The_Unknown_ decided not
to put any songs from that album on _80-85_.  Fuckin' whine...

As far as B.R. playing in Australia, it seems improbable... as
Greg Graffin (the guy who sings) is teaching paleontolgy at
Cornell University here in the States.

-- 
"Don't speak to me of anarchy or peace or calm revolt man we're in a 
play of slow decay orchestrated by Boltzman...It's entropy..." -- BR
M. W. H.                                   arsenic@fubar.cs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Subject: Re: the nephilium
Organization: Communications Research Group
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:19:16 GMT

In article <cass8806.237@elan.glassboro.edu>, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
|> 
|> 	anybody heard of these guys but me?
|> 	i have their first two albums (dawnrazor and the nephilium) -- i've 
|> heard vicious rumors that they have a third....
|> 
|> kc

The band are Fields of the NEPHILIM and they have two other albums,
Elizium and a live double album Earth Inferno. Also two live videos
and a Promos compilation.
Sadly they are no longer...
The band formed a group with a new singer called... damn I've forgotten
but they have done some gigs I am told.
Carl, the lead singer of the Nephilim formed a band called The Nefilim,
probably the saddest band name in existence, lets hope the music doesn't
go the same way.

			Rob.

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From: alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: new Siouxsie Bat-thing
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:08:25 GMT


 
> Have you also picked up the new 8-cut Peel Sessions CD?  It is really  
good.
> I stopped listening to Siouxsie in 1984 after seeing them in Chicago, at  
the
> Park West.  They only played for 45 minutes, and swore (not jokingly) at  
the
> audience.  No encore, and the show was just awful.  But this CD has  
rekindled
> my interest.  It has some good versions of material from the first few  
albums.

I saw Siouxsie and the Banshees back in '86 and I have to admit that I  
thought they looked old and tired and near the end of their ropes. When  
they came to town last year I was kind of skeptical (even though I never  
stopped listening to them) about spending $20 to see them but I went  
anyway. It was definitely not a mistake. Newly added to their live show  
(in addition to Martin playing keys and chello) was a really interesting  
percussionist (whose name escapes me) and an enhanced light show. The new  
guitarist actually appeared to be a part of the band and was quite fun to  
watch. All the members were alive and very animated and Siouxsie was quite  
vocal and friendly. Budgie was, of course, fascinating to watch. Sound  
quality was fantastic and the only apparent problem was with the stage  
hands, who were berated several times by Siouxsie for some reason or  
other. At one point her microphone went dead and she started yelling at  
one of the stage hands to bring her another one and she threw hers at him  
(it made a nice thunk when it hit the stage). Happily she didn't stay mad  
but turned that energy into the slinky dominatrix "serve me NOW!" thing  
that she does so well.

Alex
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jcgoh@inline.Princeton.EDU (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:27:37 GMT

uhh...IMHO I really could care less what label someone is on.
What I care about is the music.  Now, I do try to support
indie artists more, but that's because they don't have the
salaries of major label artists.  But when it comes down to
it, it's really the music.  If it sucks, it sucks, no matter
what label it's on.  Hey, how 'bout "Bizzaro" by the Wedding
Present on RCA in the US.  An incredible album which sold a
whopping 5000 copies (BTW, in case you don't get it, I'm
being sarcastic.  5,000 is pathetic for a major label.)  My
point being is that this album was obscure even though it was
on a major.  I could bring up several other examples as well.
And there are indie bands that do phenomenally well. In the
end, a band's label means nothing.  Really, it doesn't matter.
What does matter is the quality of the music.  What is 
inherently valuable is the music itself - not it's label or
packaging.  

Now, I do happen to like more indie artists than major label
ones, which I guess you can attribute to the exigencies of
the capitalist system.  And for the record, the reason why I
want an indie net is because I think this net has become too
large and all together way too boring.  I do find indie music
more interesting, but it's because of the music, not the 
fact that it's indie.  Since I realistically could not propose
a JustinGohMusicNet, I opted for IndieNet which was the lesser
of many evils.  

Anyway, in this age of middle capitalism, arbitrary distinctions
between cultural areas is rather myopic and banal to say the 
least.  This is the age of pluralism - we're trying to break down
barriers, not construct new ones.  To restate my point, I guess
it's who gives a damn.   I'm going to go listen to what I like
regardless of its origins.

- Justin Goh
jcgoh@phoenix.princeton.edu


"Did someone say indie net?  What a genius idea."  - uhh, me
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Unrest "Teenage Suicide" on CD?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.193728.12273@athena.cs.uga.edu> houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.184524.11026@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>>
>>Gerard, get off his butt? That'll be the day. The fucker still owes me
>>$20.
>>
>
>Hey - let's all start a Gerard Cosloy Hate Club! He told me that he'd be
>putting out 'Best Of Bread Vol. 2'...and the new Toiling Midgets lp is
>still nowhere to be seen....AND WE PLAYED THE DAMNED SHAMS RECORD, TOO!

  Well, if it'll give you a millimeter's worth of hope, we received the
  Toiling Midgets CD here at KUCI.  So at least SOMETHING happened there.
  Whether that means there'll be a massive Unrest CD-reissue is beyond
  speculation.

                                                          K!z!K
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 18:32:07 EDT
From: M.A. Murphy <MURPH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ken Katkin Leaves Homestead
 <1992Aug13.072942.26680@Princeton.EDU>

In article <1992Aug13.072942.26680@Princeton.EDU>, skmurphy@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sean K. Murphy) says:
>
>Would you like to place some money on the post which claims that Katkin
>"left" Homestead, ostensibly of his own free will?  He was FIRED, ladies
>and gentlemen, FIRED.  Homestead will cease to exist after releasing 3
>more LPs - Bodeco, Paul K. And The Weathermen, and Love Child.  FUCK
>DUTCH EAST INDIA.  Respond directly to me if you want more info.
>Thanks.

And I spoke with Ken just a few weeks ago.  There's a pretty large turnover
rate in the music industry.  People can always resurface elsewhere. I keep
seeing people I've been dealing with over the years popping up at different
labels.  Heck, one guy went from Enigma in Cali to Island in NY and then
to MCA in NY, all in a very short span of time.  Makes it difficult to
keep good contacts when people keep jumping labels (either by choice or
by force).
-------

                                            Murph

                                            Michael A. Murphy
                                            MURPH@MAINE.BITNET

If you do not understand my silence
you will not understand my words.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Hagop Janoyan)
Subject: Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:35:03 PDT

In article <BtCDAF.GyA@wpi.WPI.EDU>, on 21 Aug 1992 16:18:15 GMT,
flamengo@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lourenco William Dantas) writes:

>        I'll probably shoot myself if "Girlfriend..." became a top-40 hit!
>
>        I wonder what these Smiths releases will do. I really don't think
>        a lot of people who don't know the Smiths now will get into their
>        stuff and buy these albums. Plus, I don't know what these releases
>        will do for Smiths fans, since they probably own pretty much all
>        their stuff.

Many Smiths fans will buy a new album even if all it has is a new cover.
In any case, supposedly there are two Smiths songs that were recorded
but never released, so maybe these will show up in the Greatest Hits
albums to make us buy it for one song.

I do think there is potentially a big market for the Smiths music that
isn't tapped yet.  We'll see soon, I guess.  Sire is also coming out
with a video compilation, so we might finally see Smiths videos
played on MTV.

-Hagop Janoyan
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: skmurphy@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sean K. Murphy)
Subject: Slint
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:48:41 GMT


Well, Slint has 2 albums.  The first, Tweez, is much like Rapeman and
other post-Big Black chicago music.  The personnel are as follows: Brian
McMahon - gtr, vocals; Britt Walford, drums; Ethan Buckler, gtr; and
David Pajo, bass.  Walford and McMahon were both in Squirrel Bait.  The
second LP, "Spiderland", is nothing short of brilliant.  One of the best
LP's of 1991, no questions asked.  I don't think Ethan Buckler plays on
the second LP, but Mcmahon and Walford definitely do.  Unfortunately,
Slint has broken up.  

If anyone out there has a copy of "Tweez" which they feel like selling,
drop me a line - I want it!  It's on the Jennifer Hartman label - the
only release on this label.  "Spiderland" is on Touch And Go - pretty
easy to find in stores. 

 Incidentally, the line-up for Tweez is the same
as the line-up on the first King Kong 7", "Movie Star"/"The Camel's Walk
Song"/"Chicken Shit".  Ethan then kicked the others out of KK, reforming
it as a 3 piece with Darren Rappa and Rich Schuler, who recorded the
second 7" and then the LP, "Old MAn On The Bridge".  All of this is
essential listening.

Sean Murphy
skmurphy@phoenix.princeton.edu

Now I am a movie star 
And now I drive a great big car
With fame and fortune,
Lots of fun,
And dancing naked in the sun...
			- King Kong

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Samuel Castro)
Subject: Re: TMBG Tee-shirts
Originator: admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:07:53 GMT

From article <9222715.29698@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by adamw@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Adam Douglas WEISSER):
> Where can I get my hands on a They Might Be Giants Tee-shirt or underpants or
> anything??! I'd love to show everyone what awesome taste in music I have...
> 
> 		Ads
> 
> 

I would also like to get my grubby little hands on TMBG items.
I have searched the earth relentlessly to find these items, to no avail.

Sam

admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Teenage Fanclub question
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:51:09 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Aug20.234654.25165@u.washington.edu> mus@u.washington.edu writes:
>Ok, I have a question for all you Teenage Fanclub fans out there.  I like
>Bandwagonesque a lot, but how is A Catholic Education.  Worth getting?
>Anybody, Anybody.
>
Yes. Yes. _A Catholic Education_ tromps _Bandwagonesque_ any day. Get it
at all costs. The first side of the LP  especially, and of course
"Everything Flows" are UNREAL.

>BTW I just bought the "What You Do To Me" cd single which has four other
>tracks and I hope they aren't the crap they did to get out of their record
>contract.  We'll see.
>
>Mustafa	


If you want to hear crap TFC did to get out of a record contract, locate
their ultra-rare (justifiably) second lp _The King_. (It was in print for
all of one day.) Aside from ok covers of "Like A Virgin" and "Interstellar
Overdrive" we're talking complete wank-off shitty instrumentals.

BTW, has anyone heard anything about this rumor that TFC may be joining
Alex Chilton on his next solo disc? Sounds cool to me.

mark cornick                       stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: hamrick@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike Hamrick)
Subject: Re: Charlatans UK tour cancelled
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:52:47 GMT

Teddie James writes:

>I just found out to my disappointment that the current Charlatans UK
>tour is cancelled.  We called The Masquerade in Atlanta where we had
>tickets, and they gave the bad news.  They also said something about a
>possible breakup.

This is probably due to the fact that in Seattle, where they played last,
they got rained on and the crowd threw huge quanities of mud on them.
I can't stand the Charlatans, but I was kinda upset the crowd treated them
so poorly.  On a brighter note, Mudhoney put on a hell of a show, and didn't
get any mud thrown on them.  L7 was nothing short of awe inspiring.  Eating
a big pile of mushrooms probably helped.

mikeh
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: emansell@miasun.med.miami.edu (Eric Mansell)
Subject: Re: U2 sales
Organization: University Of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:32:09 GMT

In article <l8igf4INN6bb@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>I was just wondering how U2 tickets were sold in other parts of the US outside
>of LA for the 1st ZOO TV tour.  In LA it was done by phone *only*. Just
>wondering  because they haven't announced the stadium tour yet in LA and 
>wanted to know how tickets would be sold this time.

Heard on the radio about tickets being sold in a 'lottery' fashion.
Something about taking a number and then being selected at random so as to
'discourage people from hanging out' around the ticket outlet.  I haven't 
actually talked to anyone here (Miami) that bought tickets (last Sat.) so don't
know if that is how it actually went down.


Later days...
Eric
(emansell@miasun.med.miami.edu)