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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:46:00 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Job Corps
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  >Torkel, in cases such as this would it be possible to just leave them as is
  >or translate them literally and then include a glossary to explain the terms
  >more fully at the end of the book?

  Some terms can be left in the original language, but "job corps" would
look way too odd. Also, you don't include glossaries or footnotes in
translated novels, with very few exceptions.
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: abh has perfect moment

> British Mse\um today. Expected the Elgin Marbles. Touched one (shhh). On
> way out, through Theban gallery, monstrous statuary in quartzite and
> basalt all sides, noticed a crowd gathered in an inconsequential-looking
> corner, went over to see what the fuss was.
>
> The Rosetta Stone.
>
> Drooling on shoes, blathering, taken away twitching on stretcher. Yes.

I had the same reaction when I saw the Lindisfarne Gospels.

> National Gallery would be featuring a special exhibit on Edvard Munch.
> Almost passed out this time. Yes, The Scream was there. Rita, more painter
> in this guy's little finger than in Magritte's whole body.

But you gotta like _The Future of Statues_.....

> And then there was the Renaissance Wing: Tintorettos, Titians,
> Botticellis, Leonardo(!), Michaelangelos. These guys don't buy no junk.

Check out the Tate. Mark Rothko is worth the trip.

> -abh

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Subject:      Re: Camillemania

> I hope I didn't mislead--Paglia is not a "woman hater." She hates only
> certain types of women. It's not certain that her public views match her
> private feelings, because one often has the impression that much, perhaps
> most, is schtick.

The story about Paglia in _Vanity Fair_ a few months ago featured a
gorgeously-lit photograph of her flanked by two intimidating-looking
black men who were presented as her bodyguards, and who look like they
do this stuff while moonlighting from their day jobs as as NBA power
forwards.  The whole image was beautifully contrived.  Paglia is
leaning slightly forward, obviously but stunningly made up, and is
dressed in a gray suit that shows plenty of what Dana Carvey's Church
Lady would call her "chestal area."  Indeed, she reminds me in the
photo of an 18th century upper class Lady of Pleasure; and I would not
be surprised if that were not deliberate, too.  Add to this the fairly
wild idea of a professor needing bodyguards; and combine it with the
built-in cultural and psychological baggage of a pair of huge black
men surrounding a white woman, and you have the Photo As Postfeminist
Statement, done to Paglia's special order as an "in your face" gesture
to her critics, only because giving them the finger is neither couth
nor artistic.

> Madonna is her hero,and she feels M is the current ideal role model for
> women.
> Great one-liner by Molly Ivins: "Madonna has done for girls what lassie did
> for dogs."

Which Madonna, though?  The Boy Toy of 1985?  The social commentator
of "Papa, Don't Preach"?  The sexual-religious mystic of "Like a
Prayer"?  Or the cynical and brilliant businesswoman who would go down
on Lassie if a camera were around and it would advance her career?

Ken
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Non-alcoholic drinks
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:04:06 GMT
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In a previous article, R3EJD@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Evelyn Duncan) says:

>I need some recipes for non-alcoholic versions of alcoholic drinks.
>What are your favorites?
>
Rum and cokes?  Leave out the rum, or use Durkee rum flavoring?
Bacardi frozen mixers - same thing.:-)

Ginger beer - if you can get it.  Except for the fact that it has no
caffeine, it would be my favourite all-time drink.  The alcoholic version
mixes this half-and-half with beer, and is called Shandygaff.  Tonic water
without the gin tastes pretty good too, if you like tonic water.  I've heard
of mixing peach soda [instead of Peachtree] with cranberry juice, too.

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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:23:11 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: resolutions
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I didn't see anything on the list about organizing the perfect list
salmonbake...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:26:22 -0500
From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Found in a Toystore
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Rashmi posted something about building blocks for girls. I walked
through F.A. O Schwarz today & felt pretty grim about the offerings
for kids. What I was looking for were little animal figurines, the kind
that are hard and accurately molded. The store was full of huge stuffed
animals, the kind you need to live in a mansion for. I imagine that
a parent needs to feel a load of guilt to fork over the $100+ for one
of these bears. They seem to sadly compensatory, that's what I mean.
Beyond stuffed animals there's little more that isn't hypercolored
plastic. Really, I found more satisfying selections in Dickson
Brothers hardware store. (Martin, at 20 months, would love a
trash can of his one, especially one with a swivel opening. That
would be heaven for him.)

Judith went to Mississippi? The things I miss when I tune out of
Words-l for a month or two. I'll bet there are Words-lers out there
who don't know who the hell I am.

Martin, by the way, is still speaking one word at a time, but his
vocabulary is expanding rapidly. Our au pair has got him calling
apes (gorillas, mostly) "monkeys." She means well,and I
haven't the heart to correct her. So when I take the little
guy to the local Museum of Comparative Zoology, he points to the
gorillas and says, "Monkey," and I have to live with that. He
also seems to think that the statue of John Harvard is "daddy."

How you folks all doing?
--Rod (turned in his grades)
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In a previous article, ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM () says:

>> > Once and future Lego Queen. Barbies were tied to bedposts and tortured.
>>
>> (That rare "Master Ken" doll must be worth a fortune by now)
>
>Ooooooooooo! I LIKE it!  Is this the wrong time to talk about my
>black leather belt with the nails?...:-)
>
Only if you omit all the info on those new studded red suede boxers
you bought last week....:-) [it looks great with the mask and the spike
heels]

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From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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Yes, my childhood was sorely lacking in some respects.  And thank you for
setting me straight on the proper way to lure the doodle bug out of its home.
Considering my advanced age and remembering that I knew that little ditty
in my childhood, wouldn't you say that I did pretty good remembering even
the *essence* of it?

Now for a word question (sort of):  Did you really say that in your
childhood? If not, *where* did you learn it?

doris
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:00:52 EST
From:         Brad Baxter <BBAXTER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Deep Beliefs
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              22 Dec 1992 21:42:21 GMT from <ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

>Nope, not unless scarfing some Irish Coffee jelly beans counts!  Your wife

If you get the chance, try chocolate covered espresso beans.  Mmmm<crunch>

>Or Boxing the Watch, for those who know the phrase....

I don't know the phrase.  I'm almost afraid to ask.  Almost.
>--
>                ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###

* Alt-Brad *
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In a previous article, MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA (Peter Montgomery) says:

>> Probably for the same reason people sometimes spell "finding" "fidning." :-)
>>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
>Arrghhhh!!!!! That's embracing, er embarrassing. I guess it doesn't pay
>to do brandy and words-l at the same time! None-the-less the "women/woman"
>error happens with much greater frequency, and not as the result of a
>drunken inversion of characters.
>
Brandy?  Who needs brandy to transpose eltters, er letters?  I do it all
the time; my brain goes too fast for my fnigers, uhmmmm, fingers.;-)

Merry Christmas, K00l Yule, Happy Solstice, Stompin' Saturnalia, Happy
Chanukah, or just plain good wishes to all, and to all a good night.

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>> "What sort of insect is Queensland's 'Coscinocera hercules', the world's
>> largest of its kind?"

>It's one of those gigantic dung-ball-rolling beetles that we're always
>seeing on TV as an example of weird fauna down under.
>
>-abh

I do admire the confidence with which you answered that question, unfortunately
the correct answer was 'a moth'.

It is Ausbrook's turn to pick a category (G, E, H, AL, SN or SL).

Carolyn
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In a previous article, Graham Toal () says:

>        WIMP!  Real Webster-users read hard copy.  On-line's for people who can'
>t
>        use an index.<grin>  Just kidding.  No access to OED online then?  Oh we
>ll,
>        too bad.
>
>Wimp!  Real OED users read hard copy *without* a magnifying glass.
>
So who needs a magnifying glass?  So who owns one to use?:-)  Ever see the
OED miniature version?  It's a single volume, and you need an x10 glass to
read the thing....  Or at least they sell one with it.  Real wimps can only
handle one volume of the OED at a time.

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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 14:51:51 -0600
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Year's Good Luck Foods
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>   >Does anyone know the origin of this?
>
>   Natalie just made it up. She's pulling our collective leg.

Nope.  As she said, it has been around for a looooong time.  And Natalie,
I don't put hog jowels in mine but I do put salt pork in them.
doris
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:44:22 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Damned Americans
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On Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:30:12 GMT, "Karen Kay"
 <ll23%nemomus@academic.nemostate.edu> wrote:
> What do you think it means if you wear perfume?

It usually means the person is someone I don't have a lot in common with.

It's no coincidence that my most significant others over the years haven't
worn perfume.  Or makeup.  (And have been programmers)

G
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:56:48 GMT
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              <gtoal%rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk%kate.ibmpcug.co.uk@KATE.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: More songs about buildings and food
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        But abh:  HAVE YOU FOUND BLACK-EYED PEAS YET??

No, but she brought a tin with her and we have three hours left in which
to eat them.  She's just gone off for supper with adrian (who in fair
exchange since he's going to the states in three weeks has bequeathed
me rachel)

G
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:33:04 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Questions
              29 Dec 1992 07:30:59 -0600 from <harwood@TENET.EDU>

Nancy, you're right:  the white stuff is marshmallow.

Evelyn
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:43:28 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: disillusionment
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> I didn't receive it, but Paul did.  We won't win, as it's in the trash.
> I guess this improves the chances for the rest of you.

Thank you, RobyMeister.  I got two more copies of the finalist letter today
and naturally returned both of them with magazine orders -- in addition to
the order I sent a couple of weeks ago.  After all, the list is counting on
me to host that cruise to Villefranche.  We'll start the detailed planning
January 30, after the PCH announcement of my win on the 29th.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:48:51 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (73)

A couple more tidbits on Al Roker:
  He does the weather on the Sunday Today program and is backup for
the weekday show.
  He used to be the weatherman for Channel 3 in Cleveland.  A number of
NBC's top on-air persons started in Cleveland; it was an NBC Owned-and-
Operated station.

Evelyn
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: X or 13? You decide! (was Re: Now for some
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>Neal cites:
>
>          The _Atlantic_ article (cover story in Vol 270, No 6, December 1992)
>          defines Boomers as the 1943-1960 birth cohort, Thirteeners as
>          1961-1981.  That makes anyone who's now 11-31 a Thirteener, while
>          Boomers are 32-49.
>
>          Generations are longer than decades.
>
>So, why Thirteen?  Doesn't "say" anything to me
>
>        //anne, also a "Third Culture Kid"//

Has anyone done this? Call a generation 20 years (which is
what I've always heard); say 1961-1980 is the thirteenth
generation; count backward by 20 years; and the First
Generation is those born between 1721 and 1740, which would
be those who were between 36 and 55 in 1776, presumably of
an age to be active in the American Revolution. Thus, the
"First Generation of American Citizens"...

Just a theory,
judith
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Date:         Sat, 26 Dec 1992 09:53:04 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Curls
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On Sat, 26 Dec 1992 torkel@SICS.SE wrote:

>   Thanks, Anne. Almost I see before me your subtly well-defined biceps,
> and the hint of menace in your sleek triceps.

That was me before I got involved with computers ;-)

-abh
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Bye ... good holidays
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:37:20 GMT


>With all these people setting nomail, is there even gonna be any list
>mail in the upcoming days??  I hope so.  As usual, my laptop will go with
>me to Alabama tomorrow.  My access there is always iffy, though, so maybe
>it's ok if there's not much mail.

	I'm around as always, Natalie.  I'll try to remember to post
something between my holiday baking.  Cream Cheese Xmas cookies are
done, now I just have to do the Swiss Almond Apple cake, and of
course, the Cherry Cheesecake.  Tonite Nico and I are celebrating a
traditional Swedish (bork bork bork!) Christmas Eve, as hosted by our
friend Alex (AKA The Swedish Meatball).  I don't know much about
Swedish traditions, but supposedly there will be some sort of caramel
topping that tempted somebody, smoked salmon of all kinds, and Alex's
famous Swedish Meatballs.  Yummmmmmmmmmmy.


	


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*** Resending note of 12/22/92 13:12

>I learned that 1) the apparati varied significantly and 2) boys didn't
>seem overly concerned with the state of their bathrooms.

Which recalls to mind a sign I saw many years ago in an Atlantic City
men's room:  "Our aim is to keep this place clean ... yours will help".    _
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: End of Year Retrospective
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              at Dec 18, 92 12:39 pm

> > See you all Sunday,
> >-rashmi
> At my party!  Don't forget:  Sunday, Dec. 20, between 2 and 6 p.m.,
> 211 South Nash, Starkville, MS.  BE HERE!!

Awww, sorry Natalie, it completely slipped my mind, and your reminder reached
here too late for me to change my plans.  Next year maybe ...

-rashmi

Did some folks stay behind to help you clear up after the bash?
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From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
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> From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> BS.  Nothing in what Peter was talking about is related to the Prep-H
> project -- except perhaps that lists like WORDS-L provide interesting data.

For the historically disadvantaged, what is the Prep H. project?

> I'm also interested in those questions, Peter.  I think it's a bit extreme
> to predict the demise of formal documents, though.  Lawyers, e.g., will no
> doubt remain formal.  And even some e-mailers are now and will probably
> continue to be careful and formal.  The careful and formal e-mailers don't
> last long on WORDS-L, of course, since by the time they finish cogitating
> and carefully composing, the thread of discussion is long gone.
>

Words-L has certainly the Village gossip dimensions that inspired
McLuhan's global village analogy. I suspect formality in a list
doesn't work, because electronic interchange is more verbal than
written.

Pm
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How I love the winter...
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>  and if you're REAL nice, I'll play the lute
> under your window....

Do you provide your own transportation?  And how nice is REAL nice?  I'm
interested...
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:04:34 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      attractiveness and personality
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              <ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:37:01 EST <ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> said:
>
>More bullshit.  Aaron, what's unattractive about you is not your looks
>but your personality.
>
   Karen, that's exactly right....and gail and i are fine examples of it...
and i'm NOT saying that we are the most charming or delightful folks in the
world....but we can be pleasant and happy....this is my fourth marriage and
gail's third...and we've both been involved in more 'extra-curricular'
crap in the past than we care to detail....(though NONE since married, and
never will again....one of our mutual conditions and agreements and feelings
about how special this relationship is)....

anyhow, gail has been 119 pounds and skinny....and over 300....and now
at a normal weight and nice figure...and i've always been over 225, and most
of my life in the 300 lb range....and obviously in any normal sense of the
words we have NOT been attractive people....we also lack traditionnally
'attractive' features,e tc.....anyhow....the point is that attractive doesn't
mean SHIT in interpersonal relationships...and i was sexually harrassed
when i was 300 lbs and married....

and the ending of marriages has had nothing to do with beauty or size either,
as neither of us 'got dumped because we got fat' or anything like that....in
fact the chasing around had more to do with it in several of the five
divorces between us....

so the whole attractiveness stuff having ANYthng to do with sexiness or
lust or ability to attract the opposite sex is purest BULLshit....and there
are MANY others who can attest to the same thing.....

dan
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