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From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: Re: Foreign Students / Faculty
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:32:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.211150.20228@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>Americans discriminate against women when they bring them up, by
>implying that certain lines of work or not for them, and emphasising less
>important atributes more when talking to girls than boys. Most of the damage is
>probabally done by the parents. The end result, in my not so PC opinion, is that
>these attitudes cause the American girls to be inferior on the whole (not just
>academia) to their Asian counterparts. So I can't complain that Asian girls
>appear to make up about 50% of our female population (I don't know the exact
>figure).

Questions:

How do you see American women inferior "on the whole" and not just academia
to Asian women? What else are you talking about? 

Is there a major difference between what you see as the "superiority"
of Asian female students over American-born female students vs. the
Asian and American-born males? Would you care to support your theory
with even the slightest shred of evidence?

I suggest you go to your admissions office and ask for the percentage
of foreign-born male and female students at MIT, and see whether there
is in fact a huge difference between the two numbers.

I am not familiar with all Asian societies, but I know that in Japan
there is great pressure on women to sacrifice career aims for their
families. And in China, there are still suspicions -- supported by
demographic evidence -- that large numbers of female babies are 
murdered by parents who wanted sons.

Societal pressure on young American girls away from technical fields
is, indeed, a real problem in the U.S. I'm not convinced a) it doesn't
exist in Asia, and b) the American girls who resist this pressure 
nevertheless end up "inferior."

Sharon 

-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
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From: marn@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Jure Marn)
Newsgroups: sci.engr,sci.edu,misc.education,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.chem
Subject: Re: Foreign Students / Faculty
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:40:03 GMT
Followup-To: sci.engr
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

My $0.02 worth on the subject:

a) US schools need readily available students with good enough
   math and science skills to conduct research. Many of qualified US 
   citizens are lured into MBA or/and consulting firms after finishing
   their B.S. or M.S. (one of the most talented people I have
   met just left our lab for industry after getting his M.S.)

b) Foreign students need US to either improve their standard of
   living or to be exposed to other schools of thought. One of
   the biggest advantages of US graduate schools is the ability
   to mix with other, different, students. Some of us want to
   return home. Some of us decide to stay here. Either way US
   wins.

c) US undergraduates could (and some do) learn from the first
   hand source what the undergrad education (and thus their future
   competitors in a global market) offers in other countries. 
   Lumping the rest of the world under "other societies this or
   that" just helps perpetuate the stereotype of self wrapped
   Americans. This, fortunately, is not true.

d) YES! Foreign students speaking their own language all the time
   have a problem. I try to convey that message over and over
   again to felow students but some of them take it as a cultural
   insult.

e) Making TOEFL having an oral section is completely irrelevant as
   far as engineering is concerned. TA's on the other hand should
   be proficient in English. At UCLA there is a special exam
   for TAs one has to pass to obtain TAship.

f) US grads are not interested in TAships. There is no incentive
   (at least at UCLA mech. engineering there isn't) to be one.

g) Discrimination and foreign students: no experience here. Neither
   way.
--
                                       Jure Marn
------------------------------------------------------------------------
          marn@babbage.seas.ucla.edu            !   he who laughs, lasts
 le Cocta in hitrost svetlobe sta bolj trmasti  !     (SEAS fortune)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: How Much CO do Engines Release?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:11:30 GMT

I would be grateful for answers to the following questions, and/or
sources where I can find them:

1) How much CO does a large diesel engine release (by large I mean
   an engine of a tank or a truck).

2) Same for an engine that runs on gasoline.

Can you please e-mail responses to me.

Thanks,    

-Danny Keren.

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From: pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici)
Newsgroups: sci.engr,sci.edu,misc.education,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.chem
Subject: Re: Foreign Students / Faculty
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:52:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I don't really think in most cases that it is the work ethic of
American students.

Most parents, I'll use mine as an example, do not have advanced degrees
or even went to college, so they see no need for advanced degrees.

So we are brought up with the addage of going 4 years to school,
get a job, and go from there. Back when I was younger, the
only people who went more than 4 years were medical doctors, I never
knew an engineering doctor.

I think that the young people are now starting to realize this, and
with future generations you will see more American grad students.

Also, I know a bunch of people who graduated with me that went out
bought a new car, home, boat, ect.. that are so far into debt, they
can't go back to school. That is another problem.

It is very tempting to go out with a B.S. get a job for 35k to 40k
instead of going back to school or staying in school, and making
10k a year. What most people think of is the short term gain vs
staying in school another year or two and getting the opportunity
for a more rewarding job and better advancement.

Just my $.02

Pete
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From: shihtsun@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Shih-tsun Alex Chou)
Newsgroups: sci.engr,sci.edu,misc.education,sci.engr.biomed,sci.engr.chem
Subject: Re: Foreign Students / Faculty
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:23:47 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr10.163108.4256@ryn.mro4.dec.com> bechtler@asdg.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:
>Does our own country owe any allegiance to our own citizens?  It 
>is analogous to the arguments about free trade -- should the US impose 
>barriers like other countries do, so we can protect our own industries,
>or are trade barriers simply wrong -- let the market decide who survives?
>
>I haven't completely sorted out my own thinking on these issues.  But I 
>can see some valid points on both sides.
>

Ah-hah, trade problem. This follow-up may be irrelevant, but it just
happened to my mind. If someone knows other appropriate newsgroups to 
post, please let me know.

The story happened in Taiwan. About 5 years ago, American tabacco 
componies, having the help form the American government, pressured
Taiwanese government to lower the import tax on foreign tobacco 
products and they succeeded. ( The American government threatened if 
Taiwanese government didn't lower it, then it would be an evidence of 
unfair trade, so American government could use their laws to raise 
import tax on goods from Taiwan).

Now they sell American cigarettes in Taiwan, with even lower prices 
than they sell in the US. Their advertising target has been the 
teenagers in Taiwan.

This is another aspect of trade wars between nations. I hope I didn't
upset you readers.

Alex
From: ehorley@madvax.uop.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Re: ASCE Newsletter (March 92). Summary and Tid-bits.
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:09:04 GMT
Reply-To: ehorley@madvax.uop.edu
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA

For all those interested in the Concrete Canoe compititions that go on for
the student chapters of ASCE, the northern California compition is going
to be a UCD on May 2nd and 3rd.  UOP is going to be there for sure so if
you're UOP alumni then show, it would be great to see you.  For all you
Mechanicals out there, the student chapters of ASME are having the northern
California HPV races at UOP on April 24th, get in contact with the Engineer-
ing school if you want more information.  The Engineering phone number is:
209-946-2575 or 946-3062.  It would be nice to have good participation from
the private sector as well as public.  Come out and support your Alma Maters!
Thanks for the time,
Edward T. Horley - civil's the only way to be
student UOP
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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil,misc.consumers.house,rec.gardens
Subject: Re: What is best way to anchor to a tree?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:11:20 -0500
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Apr6.150713.6994@gvl.unisys.com>, rossi@gvlf8-m.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi) writes:
> Trying to find a good newsgroup to ask this...
> 
> I want to build a tree house for my son this spring.  I am trying to
> find out the best way to anchor the support members to the trees that
> will be strong enough yet do minimal damage to the trees.
> 
> The trees are about 8" diameter maple trees. I am leaning towards just
> drilling a 3/4 inch hole through the center of the tree, and using a
> 5/8 anchor inch bolt right through the tree.  I am certain this will be
> strong enough but what will it do to the poor tree.  I don't want a 
> bunch of dead trees in an year or two..

Most of the tree trunk is actually dead tissue.  Only a thin strip of
tissue under the bark is alive.  Yes, your trees will probably survive
your bolts through the trunk.  You do run the chance of splitting
the wood, making the tree more vulnerable to insect attacks, and setting
up conditions for wood rot fungi.

Another possibility would be to build a structure supported on posts
next to or around the tree.  This is MUCH easier on the tree, and is
probably structurally stronger.

If you choose the latter approach, be very careful about damaging the roots
of the trees.  Oaks, for instance, do not take kindly to having the 
soil level changed AT ALL.   Maples are a little more tolerant.

The treehouse my uncle built on 6x6's 25 years ago is still standing and
structurally sound (though we did put some new shingles on a couple of 
years back).  It's now on its 3rd generation of kids.

Kay Klier   Biology Dept  UNI
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From: jarj_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Joe Rosato)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil,comp.software-eng,sci.eng
Subject: Mohr's Circle - for Mathematica?
Summary: Mohr's Circle for Mathematica
Keywords: mathematica, mohr's circle, stress analysis
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:35:49 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I need to do some calculation's using Mohr's Circle, and was wondering if
a program for mathematica has already been created to do this. All I wish
for it to do is solve 2D (3D would also be nice... but not necessary) Mohr's
Circle problems given the original stresses on the object. In Short:

Input: Original Stresses

Output: 1) The principle stresses, and their angle of orientation
	2) The maximum and minimum stresses
	3) A graph of the actual circle plotted


						Thanks in Advance,
						   Joe Rosato

--
 _______________________________________________________________________
 <Joe A Rosato, Jr........................jarj_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu  >
 <Mechanical Engineer <Student>..........jarj_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu >
 <University of Rochester................rosato@me.rochester.edu         >
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil,sci.engr,sci.math
From: leecj@vega.cs.rpi.edu (Ching-ju Lee)
Subject: Contour lines
Followup-To: leecj@cs.rpil.edu 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:00:02 GMT

Dear Netters:
 
I need recent(1980 or later) references on finding contour
lines(level sets) given the function in a closed functional 
form, or only a set of function values on a grid.  Most of
the algorithms I could find were published in the 1970's,
and they all concerned with issues like pen plotter move-
ment time, or virtual memory required.  But now that we 
have graphic output device other than pen plotters, and
supercomputers with enormous virtual memory and multi-
processors available, I wonder if there are any new approaches
that are designed to take advantage of these features.
I also wonder if there are new ideas in dealing with labeling
different branches of a level set.  The ones I know of seem 
to be too slow.  Accuracy of the contour lines is also very
important to me.  So far I only know methods which use 
linear interpolations.  References on higher order algorithms
are also very helpful.  Please send all follow-ups through
e-mail to leecj@cs.rpi.edu.  I appreciate you help very much.
 
                                Ching-ju Lee
From: jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Re: More articles in this newsgroup
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:04:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Apr8.025446.5170@cs.rose-hulman.edu> youngmw@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>I have been reading this newsgroup for a while, but every now and then I 
>miss an articles because I haven't read it before it is deleted.  I believe
>that we should increase the capacity of the number of articles that the 
>newsgroup can have at one time.  A few newsgroups have memory for several 
>thousand articles.  I believe that we should request a larger capacity; such as
>50 or so.  This will also give new readers an opportunity to read more past
>articles.
>
>Could someone please relay this message to the founder of the 
>sci.engr.civil post?
>
>				Mark Young
>

  Founder of sci.engr.civil ??      I guess I must be the one, since I handled
  the RFD, CFV etc..  But, founder ??... Hmm, I'll take it.. Has a nice ring
  to it :-).

  Coming to your concerns, no, there is nothing like a `capacity' to a
  newsgroup. A newsgroup will show as many articles as your what your
  machine (actually, your system administrator) wants to store at a time.
  I guess usually, the articles stored in the spool will remain there for
  a couple of weeks or so, depending on the expiration period set by the
  system administrators. Depending on the storage space that is available,
  this could be a short period, I guess, and if there are only 20 articles
  that were posted on the newsgroup during that period, that is all you
  would see. The articles that came to the spool before the period would
  simply have been deleted. At least this is my understanding. May be some
  sys.administrators or net.gurus want to say more ?

  Some informational articles (such as those on news.announce.newsgroups)
  may have longer expiration periods set for them, too.

  At my machine, the articles disappear after two weeks. This meant that
  there were 50 or so articles at the end of the first two weeks of the
  existence of the newsgroup. After the third week, there were about 40
  and now there are something like 30 because the volume has reduced a little
  after we stopped talking about Yeltsin and Hoover (BTW, Can't we discuss
  more of such `spicy' stuff ?  Something beyond the usual FEM questions ?
  Or are we going to continue the engineers' reputation as the `dry, nerdy'
  ones ?)

  The only way to see more articles, is for people to post it. But, then again,
  it is not agood idea to have high volume just from `flame wars'...

  Jay

  R. Jayakrishnan, Civil Engineering, Univ of California, Irvine.
From: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Expert systems in Structural Engineering
Keywords: Artificial Intelligence
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University


Hello,

I'm a graduate student of civil engineering and my major interest is in 
structures. I have done my M.S with emphasis on Structural Engineering. 
Right now I'm working on risk and reliability analysis of wind on struct
-ures. My Ph.d research will also be in the area of Wind directionality 
effects on structures. I have done some work in Earthquake analysis or
nonlinear analysis of structures but not to a great deal.

So far I have not taken any course in Artificial Intelligence and for the 
fall semester I have an opportunity to take one. Can anyone please tell 
be some applications of expert systems in Structural Engineering. I heard
some students of MIT doing some work in this area but frankly speaking
my exposure to this field is very limited or you can multiply it with 0.01.
The reason why I have written my research interests is that if some 
person will send me a reply or followup he/she must know of my back
-ground and can guide me properly. Thanx in advance for your help.


----------------------------------------------------
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
                               	                     -- Oscar Wilde

SOHBAN SHAHID                  e-mail ss511583@longs.lance.ColoState.Edu
                                                                  
Civil Engg. Dept.                       (303) 491 5844/8204 (work)
Colorado State University   (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523
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From: wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil,misc.consumers.house,rec.gardens
Subject: Re: What is best way to anchor to a tree?
Date: 6 Apr 1992 19:35:31 -0400
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews Abusers - Beltway Annex
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: mthvax.cs.miami.edu

QST, the amateur radio mag, had an article on this very subject
within the last year. Try your local library.
-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.....wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu 
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil,sci.engr
From: dhruva@IASTATE.EDU (Rama K Challa)
Subject: Spherical shells sub. to nonuniform loading 
Keywords: shells, spherical shells, stability, buckling
Reply-To: dhruva@IASTATE.EDU (Rama K Challa)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:54:34 GMT

Hi,

I am a grad student at the Iowa State Univ. in the dept. of structural engg and
part of my work is in stability of spherical shells. As I go through different
articles in literature reg. the stability of spherical shells, both
experimental
and analytical, I was surprised to see no articles on spherical shells subjected
to non uniform loading. I will apreciate it if someone who has seen any articles
on the same e-mail me or to the newsgroup.

thanks
ram 
(dhruva@iastate.edu,n1rkc@isuvax.iastate.edu)
From: sanjay@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (G Sanjayan)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Real Engineers
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:14:52 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

Real Engineers
--------------
Real engineers consider themselves well dressed if their socks match
Real engineers buy their spouses a set of matched screwdrivers for their birthdays
Real engineers wear moustaches or beards for "efficiency", not because they're lazy
Real engineers have a non-technical vocabulary of 800 words
Real engineers think a 'biting wit' is their fox terrier
Real engineers know the second law of thermodynamics - but not their own shirt size
Real engineers repair their own cameras, telephones, televisions, watches and automatic transmissions
Real engineers say "It's about 77 degrees Fahrenheit, 25 degrees Celsius, and 298 degrees Kelvin" and all you say is "Isn't it a nice day"
Real engineers give you the feeling you're having a conversation with a dial tone or busy signal
Real engineers wear badges so they don't forget who they are. Sometimes a note is attached saying "Don't offer me a ride today. I drove my own car"
Real engineers' politics run towards acquiring a parking space with their name on it and an office with a window
Real engineers know the "ABC's of Infrared" from A to B
Real engineers rotate their tyres for laughs
Real engineers will make four sets of drawings (with seven revisions) before making a bird bath
Real engineers' briefcases contain a Phillips screwdriver, a copy of Quantum Physics, and half peanut butter sandwich
Real engineers don't find the above at all funny.

-Extract from 'New Zealand Engineering', without permission

Sanjayan
Civil Engineering, Monash University, Australia
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: youngmw@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: More articles in this newsgroup
Reply-To: youngmw@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:54:46 GMT

I have been reading this newsgroup for a while, but every now and then I 
miss an articles because I haven't read it before it is deleted.  I believe
that we should increase the capacity of the number of articles that the 
newsgroup can have at one time.  A few newsgroups have memory for several 
thousand articles.  I believe that we should request a larger capacity; such as
50 or so.  This will also give new readers an opportunity to read more past
articles.

Could someone please relay this message to the founder of the 
sci.engr.civil post?

				Thank you,

				Mark Young

Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil,misc.consumers.house,rec.gardens
From: rossi@gvlf8-m.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Rossi)
Subject: What is best way to anchor to a tree?
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:07:13 GMT

Trying to find a good newsgroup to ask this...

I want to build a tree house for my son this spring.  I am trying to
find out the best way to anchor the support members to the trees that
will be strong enough yet do minimal damage to the trees.

The trees are about 8" diameter maple trees. I am leaning towards just
drilling a 3/4 inch hole through the center of the tree, and using a
5/8 anchor inch bolt right through the tree.  I am certain this will be
strong enough but what will it do to the poor tree.  I don't want a 
bunch of dead trees in an year or two..

Any suggestion on the best way to do this?

=================================================================
Pete Rossi - WA3NNA                  rossi@gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com

Paramax Systems Corporation - a subsidiary of Unisys Corporation
Electronic Systems - Valley Forge Labs - Paoli, Pennsylvania
=================================================================
From: ab0kfc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (K F Chow)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: BMS survey
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:28:49 GMT
Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK

If you are an undergradate of engineering you may like to
do a questionnaire through email, on the subject "Building
Management Systems". This questionnaire is being done by 
your counterparts at USA, CAN, & UK. Comparison will be 
made between you and them.

If you know nothing about BMS but you know some others may 
do, please pass on the message.

Come and Join the party !!

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K.F CHOW                      email : ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.sl1
School of Architecture &              ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Building Engineering,
Bath University, UK
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Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil