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From: kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk Johanning)
Subject: Re: Aladdin
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:03:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Response Center Atlanta

In <1992Dec15.063356.19939@serval.net.wsu.edu> gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M. Gerkman) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.044810.1660@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>
>As for Aladdin, what a hunk!  I was standing in line at the grocery store  
>and peered into People this month...they had a picture of the kid who was  
>the voice behind Aladdin...and he's rather cute, and he does resemble  
>Aladdin quite a bit...although, during my morning exercises I saw the  
>weather guy from Today(?) interview Tom Cruise and he mentioned that  
>Aladdin was modeled a bit after Tom at least according to the animator.   
>But for me...I'm gonna go on believing it's this cute kid from People...

The voice of Aladdin is Scott Weinger.  He can also be seen on Full
House on ABC where he plays the boyfriend of DJ Tanner (played by
Candice Cameron, sister of Kirk Cameron of Growing Pains fame).
BTW, I agree that the kid (Scott) is rather cute and I will have to
check out the People article.

>Joe Gerkman
>gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:33:49 GMT

In article <BzECp0.HID@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

[to Nelson]
> Marry me?  (Sorry, Robert.  We can share ...)

Tim... I didn't think you and I had announced our engagement yet.

Oh... I see. Well, I'm a great believer in sharing, anyway; I'll
gladly share any combination of myself, Nelson, and Tim with any other
such combination...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Deb's New Thang (was Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals)
Originator: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:15:17 GMT


My roomate has decided that she wants to respond to Alan's little comment
herself, so she is using my account.


In article <1992Dec11.193325.24347@samba.oit.unc.edu>
lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson) writes:
>>>> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

>>>>  ...(btw...did she tell you she has a date on sunday?  some guy with a
>>>>motorcycle in her gymnastics class...

>Wow!  I met him today....very attractive.  Why do all the cute ones have
>to pretend to be straight?

I am glad you approve, but would really like to know if you feel all
good-looking men should be gay.  I know you would like that, but who would
I date?  I also would like to add that there have been many good-looking
gay men that I have seen at clubs.  Neither of us should have  a monopoly
on attractive males.  

(btw...Alan--I'll tell you if he's a mouthfull _when_ I find out!!!) 

Debra Hoechstetter  (who likes men just as much as the next guy)



-- 
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:14:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec16.231440.14428
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec16.172438.21205@athena.mit.edu> Charlie "Fido" Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
>IMHO the 44.1kHz/15 bit* sampling rate that we're STUCK with now 
>as "adequately" describes a sound wave as NTSC does an image. :-)   

44.1khz/16bit sampling completely reproduces any signal of 22khz or
below with complete accuracy and very low signal-to-noise.  You lose
the ultrasonic frequencies, of course.  You know: the ones which must
be on all those wornout vinyl records, picked up by the crappy stylus with a
fuzzball on it, amplified by your microwave ov, er, I mean your
amplifier, reproduced by your speakers, and processed by your ears.
Of course, I'm encroaching on middle age by now, and my ears have been
pierced by 15khz flyback transformer sirens for years.  No sibilants
for me.

>Call me an atavist or a elitist
>nitpicker.  I _can_ tell the difference between music and 
>Nyquistized music, even through all the wow and flutter and 
>rumble and hiss.

Well, I'd agree with you, though I'd leave out the "even".

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Queer Curriculm WIN in California
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:54:55 GMT

       (SACRAMENTO)- California students may soon be learning about
homsexuality in their public classrooms. The state Board of Education
has unanimously approved new health curriculum guidelines that include
references to homosexual issues. The guidelines call for ``factual''
discussion of homosexuality. Homosexual groups hailed the move as a
victory. Some conservative groups also supported the guidelines because
they promote sexual abstinence. Teachers are expected to immediately
begin using the guidelines to plan their lessons.


-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
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In 1988, the Presidential election turnout was 50.2%. Source: The Village Voice
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Legos
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:30:13 GMT

In article <47128@ogicse.ogi.edu>, markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.234008.19851@cabezon.uucp> kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
> >So I'm sitting here looking at all the new Lego kits I bought for myself
> >and am wondering: A 28 year old Lego Maniac - is this a gay thing or just an 
> >engineering geek thing?
> Of course, it could be a gay engineering geek thing.  Wait!  You
> aren't a mechanical engineer but one of those darn EE types!  What
> are you doing with Legos?!?

  They like Legos. All of the EE dweebs around these parts love 'em
too. Of course, all of our software types have their Legos in the
Gordian toychest as well. A well stocked toychest I might add.
  As far as I know they are all dreadfully het, so I suspect it's
just a engineering thing.


> And for those of you who might not have been at the con:  Ken is one
> of the cutest 28 year-old engineer-geek Lego-queens that you are likely
> to meet.

  I remember. Mark's description is right on.

>   If only he flew stunt kites as well.  The way he drives that
> sports car comes close to qualifying as a kite, but not quite.

  Hey, you do that? My little brother Steve is *really* into kites
too. As a matter of fact he was somewhere up there in a competition
earlier this year (on the coast somewhere, Florence, Tillamook???)
Apparently he is one of the tourist attractions down on the Marina
Green in SF.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
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From: gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M. Gerkman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Maybe a dumb question...
Keywords: marriage legal gay
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:37:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec14.213704.12921
Reply-To: gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu (Joseph M. Gerkman)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University


Hi all...

This maybe a dumb question, but I checked the FAQ first (and I realize  
that checking the FAQ first doesn't exempt it from being a dumb question  
:-) and couldn't find anything that addressed it.  

Are there any states where same-sex marriage is legal?  And another  
question related to it...if there is a state where same-sex marriage is  
legal, wouldn't other states have to honor a marriage granted in that  
other state (fragments of info from Business Law class lead me to believe  
that this last one is yes, but I'm not sure...I'm a computer programmer  
not a lawyer ;-)?

By the way, this is my first posting here...after about a year and a half  
of reading, so I guess this is my de-muffining as well...and I just wanted  
to say HI! EVERYONE!!!  It's so nice to be able to say that!  

Joe Gerkman
gerkman@binky.csc.wsu.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Apology for Misspelled Name
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 02:57:33 GMT


In an earlier posting, I said Brian Blumberg; it's Bryan.
Sorry.

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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More on Tacky Houses
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:33:04 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <rizzoe.547.724000976@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>,
rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.220647.14271@quantime.co.uk>
> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
> 
> >All this tree-killing in winter gets me down.
> 
> Cheer up, Roger.  These trees come from tree farms

Yeah, but what kind of life do you call that,
fertilised, forced and felled in a single-species environment?
Where's the undergrowth, where are the chipmunks?

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*wurley* (Austr.) n. a nest, esp. a rat's nest"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: When Lesbians Kiss
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:03:33 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

Melinda Shore writes
>In article <1gmm2cINNfar@roche.csl.sri.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)  
writes:
>>	Heard on Rossane tonight:
>>		"Whenever lesbians kiss, another angel gets it's wings..."
>>	That show has gotten *cool*!
>Yup.  I especially liked the discussion of impregnation
>while Dan was basting the turkey.

Yup, I was almost on the floor over that one.

I also liked the bit about the lover's exchange of Christmas
presents, Dan's assumption they were talking about sex and
shooing his son out, and their contention they were talking
about sweaters and the like.

Of course, decorating Shelly Winters for Christmas was
pretty good too.  And Sally Kirkland's quick turn as the
neighborhood "lady of easy virtue" made a knifelike point
on calling children "trash."

*  NeXT: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com * GEnie:  Laurie.Mann  *
*Bush, Quayle, Perot---We Said NO! * We Voted for CHANGE in '92!*
***** "Hollywood still doesn't get it." Dan Quayle, 9/21/92 *****
* "No Dan, YOU still don't get it."  American Voters, Fall 1992 *
***********    Gee, do you think he gets it now????   ***********
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:11:10 GMT

My memory is fuzzy on this one, and I keep thinking of a story about a
girl who has two daddies (written in Europe somewhere), but I am
positive that I have read the book you are looking for.

"Heather Has Two Mommies,' and other books about children whose
parents are gay or lesbian or bi, are available in most women's
bookstores that I've seen. In my experience, women's bookstores have
been the best places to get children's books that address
lesbian/gay/bisexual issues, that have children of many races and
cultures in them, that address gender issues, etc.

The book is written to first to third graders.  Like most books
written for that grade level, here's no sex in it.  Did you think there
would be?  

The focus of the book is not about the lesbian mommies, but on the
CHILD (like most books for children) whose mommies are lesbians.  The
message, as I read it, is that is that it's okay if you have two
mommies, rather than a mommy and a daddy the way most stories depict.

Caroline

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed by the 'phone company?
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:57:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec15.120113.9991@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <memo.809852@cix.compulink.co.uk> dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk 
writes:
>
>The telephone number is listed, but the name attached to the number
>isn't listed. That is how it works in France and, for the most part,
>in the US. Unless someone goes through a phone list and dials every
>number on it to see what the call was (farfetched) I think it is
>pretty private.

In the US, you're entitled to some amount of detail for every call that
appears on your bill.  If a call to 415-863-2437 shows up on your phone
bill and you don't recognize the number, you just call the phone company and
ask.  They'll either tell you or take the charge off your bill.  That's one
way to get someone's address if you know only their phone number.


(415-863-2437 is the San Francisco AIDS Foundation Hotline.  They also have
an 800 number, as do many other agencies.)


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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: An "enlightening" experience
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:27:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: syacus.1992Dec21.012703.15202
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne

>I myself do not and would not use the word "cabal."
>Keep in mind that Jews are routinely accused of being a
>secretive, mysterious group who plot for power. "Cabal" is
>derived from the name of a Jewish philosophy; however, the word
>"cabal" has nothing to do with philosophy any more, and instead
>means "a secretive, mysterious group which plots for power". This
>may be a coincidence. Hell, it probably *is* a coincidence. But I
>find it too close for comfort.

Point taken, but see, I just really don't thaink that when most people hear
"cabal" they think "Jew". I think a very tiny percentage of non-Jewish people
(Arne, you're excused!) know what the Qabbalah is.

I also understand that you were, to a certain extent, lampooning.

--Brent
Xref: sparky soc.motss:52665 ne.motss:636
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Subject: Height Discrimination (was Re: Ken Reeves, ...)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:04:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <t=g21t+@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu 
    (Ron Buckmire) writes:

>About Ken Reeves---is he single? :-)
>Any pictures for the motss archives?
>Height of 6' 1" sounds like a good start...
           ^^^^^

Hey!  What's all this "heightist" crap?  I'm tired of people who
belittle the vertically challenged by elevating the attraction
of being tall!  The gay male media are overlooking short men!
This is the height of shortsightedness.   BTW,  :-) :-) :-)

Daniel,
5'4" tall and feeling mischievous
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Phone or Fax No. for Roseanne Production Co
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:01:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec18.000122.18638@netcom.com> 
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) supplies
the address for the producers of "Roseanne":

> Carsey-Werner Productions
> 4024 Radford Avenue
> Studio City, CA   916049160491604916049160491604916049160491604

What was that zip code again?

This has nothing to do with anything, but when I was a child
I yearned to live in the 91604 rather than the 91405 <shudder>
zip code area.  All the *nice* kids at my high school lived in
91604.  My parents just wouldn't cooperate.  I'm reasonably 
content these days to live in 90046, although I suppose I really
should want to live in Boystown's 90069.  (Is this the kind of 
stuff that shouldn't be posted to soc.motss?)

Arne
From: andy@eies2.njit.edu (Andy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: More on Roseanne & Cast
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:33:15 GMT
Organization: NJIT - EIES2


Here's one that I haven't seen mentioned.  I caught Roseanne and the
cast of the "Jackie Thomas" show (Her husbands new show) being
interviewed on Oprah last week or so.

When they were speaking to Martin Mull about him playing a gay 
character on Roseanne, he said something to effect "I didn't
know at first my character was to be gay, then they dropped
the (frown, snicker, pause) *bombshell" on me".

The whole comment had a very negative connotation to it.  Nobody
flagged him on it.  Oprah just smiled.  I was very disappointed
in Martin Mull for portraying a gay character and then suggesting
that he wasn't happy about having done it.

Did anyone else catch this bit?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:43:34 GMT

kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel) writes:

>Lesbian perks abound lately!  All this talk about keeping
>mustaches, beards, and long hair washed and groomed with
>trimmers, wax, mousse, 1-1 1/2 hour waiting periods, etc
>just screams why it's a must for me to maintain a
>*LOW* *MAINTENANCE* *HAIRCUT*!!

I prefer my *variable* *maintenance* *haircut* myself... goes from
no maintenance to mucho maintenance depending on the level of my
ambitiousness.

(Reminds me... there's a new hire at work that has a really cute
haircut. Short all over except for long bangs in the front, wedging
out from a point near the top of her head and curling under slightly.
Kinda like what Peg Bundy's hair would look like if all but the bangs
were cut off. She should really consider trimming the short part
closer, though; it's at 1/2 inch right now and looks kinda scruffy to
my eyes. I should really ask her if she's a dyke; she'd be a good
one. Kinda waifish looking. Pretty.)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:51:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <75500@apple.apple.COM>, stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
wrote:
> 
> Roger B.A. Klorese advises:
> >In article <mattm-081292105439@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew
> >Melmon) writes:
> >|> I might be better disposed to Castro Street were it not *FUCKING*
> >|> *IMPOSSIBLE* to park within eight blocks...  Eight *VERTICAL* blocks.
> >
> >Park in Daly City and take BART, as nature intended.
> >-- 
> Better yet, just park in Daly City. Period.

Ohhh, the Squirrel would like that...  Wouldn't the Squirrel? 

*X*
(who is thinking the Squirrel had better refrain from answering
that question, lest his sum be dimmed...)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Cramer spoiling the party
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:33:53 GMT

In article <BzD4sJ.706@queernet.org> max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.222340.5104@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>In article <1glaorINNqns@oak23.doc.ic.ac.uk>, kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:
>>[suggestion to ignore Cramer, with which I heartily agree]
>>> Has it been tried before?  (spot the 
>>> relative newcomer)

>>Well, it's been *proposed* before, often. I don't know that it's ever
>>really been "tried". It's hard to tell, because it only takes one
>>mistake to ruin everyone else's attempt...

>It's been tried before.  

Sort of.  Somebody always insists on responding to It,
though.

I've said this before, but since the topic has come up
again I'll say it again:  My favorite use of ******'s
postings is to use them as a vivid demonstration that
homophobia is real, that it's dangerous and irrational, and
that there is a need for protections against discrimination
on the basis of sexual orientation.  Anthologize his
postings and use them in local civil rights campaigns.

If you do this, however, don't forget this important safety
tip:  If you have ******'s postings in hardcopy, always
wear gloves when handling them.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.motss)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.065505.14102@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:

I see the possibility that this was meant sarcastically, Paul, but
it seems an outside possibility.  (Okay.  Foot firmly in mouth?  Here
we go ...)

>Many people seem to believe that crossposting is the root
>of many of soc.motss's ills.

I'm one of those, but if this suggestion

>How about making soc.motss a moderated
>newsgroup with an auto-moderator -- a program that takes submissions and
>posts them all, but removes any cross-posting?  If someone posted something
>to soc.motss and anything else, the auto-moderator would send out the article
>twice -- once to soc.motss and once to all the other newsgroups.

were ever to come to a vote, I would almost certainly vote against it.
I have trouble seeing that a *flat* non-crossposting strategy like
this one would be good news in the long run.

I certainly wouldn't mind an entry in the FAQ mentioning possible KILL
file entries for rn-type and other newsreaders.  It seems to me that
an entry like this one would have the effect you describe in rn or
trn:

/^Newsgroups:.*,/h:M

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