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From: dfinkel@sequoia.wpi.edu (David Finkel)
Subject: Re: FAQ list
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:34:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.213334.13950@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, bechtler@asdg.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:
|> 
|> This group is just begging for a FAQ posting because 75% of the
|> traffic is about:
|> 
|>       	how to be an air courier
|> ...


I have a list of articles I've saved from rec.travel on the subject
of air travel as a courier.  I'd be happy to mail it to anyone who
wants one -- send me e-mail.  (I've sent out copies to all the posters
who ask about courier travel, too.)  I'd also be happy to send a copy
to anyone interested in organizing a FAQ list.

-- 
David Finkel
Department of Computer Science	       Internet:   dfinkel@cs.wpi.edu
Worcester Polytechnic Institute	       Telephone:  (508) 831-5416
Worcester, MA 01609 USA		       FAX:        (508) 831-5776
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From: sfg2483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Shachar Frank )
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:04:44 GMT

jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko) writes:

>I believe the longest nonstop routes are NYC-Johannesburg, flown by SAA.
>(sanctions permitting).

South African Airway's flights have a refueling stop on the way from JFK to JNB.

>Jacko.
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:35:10 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

I have used bump tickets on USAir, Northwest, and United, and never
had any problems.  The Northwest ones were restricted in that
the person receiving the bump had to fly the free trip (not transferable
at all).  I had to make my reservation 3 weeks in advance. The USAir 
one could be used by the person being bumped, or by someone accompanying 
the person being bumped.  (ie, my husband got bumped.  Later, we used 
the voucher to get ME a ticket to accompany him on a business trip for 
which he had a paid seat).  The United coupon was for a certain dollar 
amount, which could be used towards purchase of any United ticket.  
The person who was bumped had to cash in the voucher (buy the ticket 
with it) but the flight could be taken by literally anyone.  You could 
use the coupon towards ANY fare basis ticket, so you were limited only 
by what fare basis ticket you purchased. (Note: this approach is new
by United (within the last 1.5 years or so)  Several years ago I had
a bump ticket from them that could be used to get one free roundtrip
anywhere, but with advance registration notice, nontransferrable, etc.)

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: davidm@rutabaga.Rational.COM (David Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:57:51 GMT

aki@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:

>>I believe the longest nonstop routes are NYC-Johannesburg, flown by SAA.


>How about Finnair's Helsinki-Tokyo route?

Cathay Pacific fly Hong Kong-Gatwick non-stop, which I suspect is further and
must certainly be close to the longest; a little over 12 hours non-stop.

Taking off on this flight was a little worrying; I swear the 747 skipped
across the water like a pelican taking off. Landing in Hong Kong is
kind of weird too. You look up at people standing at appartment windows on
the way in. Very strange.

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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: BUMPS / USAir
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:15:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.183254.28015@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>
>They'll have a lot more gates at LGA since they bought operations rights
>from Trump (Trump still owns ~52% of the airlines but for letting US Air
>operate it and supply the capital, Trump "graciously" is letting US Air
>put their name on the planes).  There are a number of gates that US Air
>can use in that terminal and rumor has it they will.
>-- 

More importantly, they bought the new (not completed) Continental terminal
at LGA, which will open in August.  It's adjacent to the ex-Trump shuttle
terminal.  They'll have the nicest facilities at LGA, as well as the most
extensive operation.

RNA

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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Boston <--> Seattle
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:27:46 GMT

In article <HROSE.92Apr7185922@rocza.eff.org> hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
>well, my fiance and I are off on a Northwest Boston <--> Seattle nonstop
>Boeing 757 flight in May.
>
>Has anyone else been on this particular flight, or any other Northwest
>"longhaul" routes on narrowbody aircraft? Do they show a movie? Do they
>have those nifty overhead monitors? The only longhaul flights I've been
>on have been on large widebodied 3+ engined aircraft.... Do they serve
>more than one meal? 

I did MSP->LAX in first class on a 757 on NW and hated it...a DC10 is much
better...there was no movie on the flight (but there was on the DC10 return)
and not much else to do...I just did OHare to San Jose this weekend on an
American S80...no audio on this one either...

You might get lucky and get a newer 757 though, which I have been on via NW,and they do have monitors.

More than one meal?  I dont think so...on a 6+ hour flight yes...I took
spring break in London and the NW 747 flight was very good...constant AV
entertaiment (I love Lucy shows and 2 movies) plus food...

--Ken
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: NO Mileage on SINGAPORE Airlines !
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:59:24 GMT

One must read the rules for the U.S. frequent flyer programs. Singapore
provides credit but not for all routes. I have had no trouble obtaining
credit on Trans-Pacific flights starting/ending in the U.S.
-- 
Duane F. Marble
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
From: rl@socrates.ucsf.edu (Robert Langridge)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:58:03 GMT

hafer@apple.com (Rob Hafer) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.100548.26744@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
>> 
>> Yep, you're right about SYD-LAX being one of the longest, if not THE longest,
>> it's about 14 hours each way - I did it last week. 14 hours is enough time for
>> 2 movies, 2 or 3 meals, numerous snacks, a bit of sleep (if you're lucky) and
>> there's STILL plenty of time to get bored.
>> 
>> Tim Hatfield
>> timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

>FYI...a few years ago the longest non-stop flight was a United's SFO-SYD run 
>(using 747SP's)...looks like its gone now.

>..Rob Hafer (Apple Computer)

I last flew SFO-SYD non-stop in 1987, but it was on Qantas.  
Took about 14 hrs 25 mins.  Also no longer a scheduled flight.

The most interesting part was the route tracking map and the other flight
information on the video.  Pity more airlines don't do this.  I slept a lot.

My main complaint was that the crew did not permit a visit to the flight deck 
(clearly not a company prohibition of Qantas, as I spent almost an hour on 
the flight deck of another Qantas flight from Perth to Denpasar (Bali) a few 
days later).

Bob Langridge			       Phone: +1 415 476-2630, -1540, -5128
Computer Graphics Laboratory		               FAX: +1 415 476-0688 
University of California	                    E-Mail: rl@cgl.ucsf.edu
San Francisco  CA  94143-0446
From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post (common complaints)
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:13:09 GMT
	<1992Apr11.033944.18218@odin.corp.sgi.com>
	<STEINAR.92Apr14181633@faust.solan.unit.no>
	<1992Apr14.200832.7127@odin.corp.sgi.com>
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Larry Autry writes:
>In article <STEINAR.92Apr14181633@faust.solan.unit.no> steinar@faust.solan.unit\.no (Cindy Kandolf) writes:
>>Larry Autry writes:
>>
>>>Why it's ok to lower your window shade during a movie.
>>And its counterpart: Why it's a good idea to lower your shade during
>>long-haul, "night-time" flights going up to the polar regions in the
>>summer.  Grumble.
>
>Please fill me (us) in.  What does this light show look like from 30/40,000
>feet.  I presume your meaning to be that it's distracting to "seasoned"
>fliers in that region.(?)

Light show?  Do you mean the northern lights?  Unfortunately, they can't
be seen above or even near the Artic Circle in the summer time.  (I have
no idea if they can ever be seen at that altitude, i simply don't know
enough about them.)

The problem is that the sun either doesn't set or rises _very_ early.  
You're already losing most of the night - if someone near you has their 
little window shade up, the sun will rob you of even the little sleep
you can get on a plane.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
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From: c9038270@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Manfred Hanley)
Subject: Re: More [questions] about BUMPS
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:58:50 GMT


Another question about bumps: Do they only occur in the U.S. or overseas
as well (namely Australia)?

Also, do airlines such as QANTAS, Northwest and Continental do much `bumping'?

Thanks,

Manfred Hanley.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
C9038270@wombat.newcastle.edu.au			     Manfred Hanley
C9038270@cc.newcastle.edu.au 				University of Newcastle
							   N.S.W.  Australia	
If people have to use big words, it is the crowning evidence of pretentiousness.
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From: cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca (MING HE)
Subject: Re: TEST--ignore
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:19:03 GMT


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From: bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:15:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.175838.16986@cs.cornell.edu> murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy) writes:
>
>Quite nice of them, I think.  In any case, though, I think that this
>ranting about AMEX being such "gestapo" or whatever is just
>out fo place; after all, they set the terms of teh contract.  If it was
>such a bad deal, why buy in?  I mean, normal airline tickets are
>usually the same way - not transferrable.  So why the big fuss
>when it turns out that FFB tickets, or AMEX tickets, aren't
>transferrable?
>
>--chet--
>

When I am singled out to show ID, the airline is effectively calling
me a liar.  I have no problem if ID is needed for security but if all
tickets are non-transferable, they had better card everyone!  I get
pissed about these things since I see business do a good marketing
promotion only to see it screwed up by its implementation.  AMEX and
Continental want your future business!!  They are not being nice to you.
If you remember that Continental and AMEX helped you out when you were
a student then you're apt to remember it later when you're making
the big bucks.

On another note, I just used an AMEX-Continental ticket last week and
they did not ask for ID nor have they ever asked for ID from me.

I do not condone non students using these tickets but I don't like
it when someone questions my integrity.

Bradley Wong
bwong@beach.csulb.edu
From: jcogollu@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (cojonudo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Philly-Spain
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:37:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Does anybody know how I can get a cheap ticket to go to Spain for
about two weeks in May. Tickets are expensive because of the Olimpics,
but I should be able to find something "decent" in May. Please reply
to jcogollu@eniac.seas.upenn.edu. Thanks
 


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From: wing@canada.ceo.dg.com (Brian Wing)
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:55:40 GMT
Organization: Data General (Canada) Inc.

dunbar@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Scott Dunbar) writes:
: I would have to say that another long flight is
: 
: Paris to Papeete on UTA/Air France
: its 24,000 Kilometers Non Stop
: Which translates to 14,880 miles i believe
: 
: wow long one
: 
: scott
:  
: Scott\      /\/\  /|email: dunbar@boulder.colorado.edu
:   /***\  /\/*/**\/*|Department of Molecular, Cellular, and Developmental Biology
:  /  /\ \/**\/    \ |University of Colorado at Boulder, Boulder, CO  80309-0347
I was curious to find out if commercial passenger aircraft really
had that sort of range, so I used EAASY SABRE and looked up flights
between PAR and PPT.  I couldn't find one which was non-stop. I browsed 
through two weeks' worth and found that all of the UT, AF and IW (=
"BEST AIRLINES"?) flights stop in San Francisco before heading 
across the big pond.  UT 70 stops in Los Angeles as well.
Just adding my two bits into this trivia research...
-- 
Brian Wing
Data General (Canada) Inc.
130-13151 Vanier Pl., Richmond     dotdot: brian_wing@canada.ceo.dg.com
B.C., Canada V6V 2J2               ringring: +1 604 273 5100
From: tinhang@cat49.cs.wisc.edu (Tinhang Ma)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:15:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: daffy.1992Apr7.181544.28094
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <167C11199A.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>In article <rqcqmINN4qg@agate.berkeley.edu>
>spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst) writes:
>>(deleted)
>> What is the longest (timewise/distance)
>>nonstop air segment on regularly scheduled airlines?
>>(deleted)
>>Dan Landis (spanga@athena.berkeley.edu)  no sig**
> 
>Probably LAX - SYD nonstop on QANTAS or United Airlines. I think
>travelling time is 14 hrs LAX - SYD and about 13 hrs SYD - LAX.
>      Gerald Cheang (chegerh@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu)

Direct flight by Cathay Pacific from Hongkong - London takes 17 hours
						Frankfurt    15.5 hours

I cannot guarentee that they are the longest, but they are at least longer
than the trip mentioned above.

--Tinhang
From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: IAPA - Worth joining?
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


	Does anyone have experiences of advantages (?) provided
	by IAPA (International Airline Passangers' Association)
	membership? Worth joining?

	-- Willy
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From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: about those airport codes (was Airport codes/Stanstead airport)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:13:59 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <pal.703431139@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl) writes:
> >>STN     Stansted (London)     Great Britan
>
> STN is, as far as I know, mainly used for charter service. And that fits
> only to last few years.

American Airlines will begin flying to Stansted from the US in June.

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: O'HARE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:24:39 GMT

phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil ) writes:

>I'm kind of curious what kinds of experience people have had in O'Hare.  I have  
>never had a non-positive experience there, but I've also only flown United and  
>Northwest through there.  

>However, I many people I know think that O'Hare=hell.  Why is this?

 I live only 15 minutes away from O'hare and as a result it is the airport
 that I fly into and out of the most.  I fly between 2-4 times a year and
 I frequently go there to pick up or drop off friends or relatives.  I
 have never had a "bad" experience there and neither have the people that
 I have given rides to.  Maybe we are just lucky but I think O'hare only
 has problems when there is bad weather which has the effect of stranding
 thousands of people at the terminals.

 I was delayed by 1 1/2 hours last month but that was due to heavy fog, so
 I didn't mind.  I was also delayed an hour once for no apparent reason, but
 they made up time in the air so it was no big deal.

 I think the major problem with O'hare is that it is an island of Chicago
 to itself.  There is only one highway going in and out and that is to the
 east.  This highway goes under several bridges that planes go over between
 runways so in the event of heavy rain, O'hare is sealed off from the rest
 of the suburbs and Chicago.  Several years ago I remember this happening
 and the only way in and out was by helicopter.  Recently they connected
 O'hare to the city's transit system (electric train) but people are still
 stranded in the event of bad weather.

 In case you're wondering, there is a hotel on the grounds of O'hare, the 
 O'hare Hilton.  But I suppose that it fills up quickly when the airport
 closes.  If people only knew how to use the train, they could get to
 Chicago or the suburbs very easily, but the system is confusing and I
 don't think the people at O'hare offer much help.

								Peder

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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: AMEX Coupons on USAir (Frequent Traveler)
Keywords: Frequent Flier Miles
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:07:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.182720.387@unx.sas.com> sasdjl@norma.unx.sas.com (Jeff Lopes) writes:
>If I use my AMEX coupons on USAir instead of Contiental, can I get
>the miles posted to my USAir frequent flier account?  Anybody know
>about this?

Yes, one can get the miles put on one's USAir Frequent Traveler
account.
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: naftaly@supergas.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: Frequent Fliers
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:37:03 GMT


In article <1992Apr8.224712.24503@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>cjpaul@bahamas.ece.cmu.edu (Chakkalamattam J. Paul) writes:
>
>
>
>>Hi!!!!
>
>>I am planning to travel from Pittsburgh to India in late summer, and was
>>wondering which airline to use.  I would like to accumulate those
>>miles on an airline which has a neat frequent flier program  (Pan Am
>>had a great one).  Any tips?  
>
>>To my knowledge, Delta, Air France, British Airways, Lufthansa, Swiss Air,
>>Singapore Airlines all fly to Bombay, and some of them supposedly have 
>>tieups with US airlines for accumulating frequent flier miles.  If anyone
>>has a FAQ file on frequent flier programs, that would help a lot.
>
>
> I belong to American's frequent flier program.  I think it is really good.
> I earned a free ticket for anywhere in the continental US after flying
> round trip to Europe.  This was because they double the milage of
> your first round trip and give you a 5000 mile bonus for joining.
>
> American has deals with: British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Quantas,
> Singapore and TWA (do they still fly?).  I was told that they also have
> an arangement with Lufthansa, but I can't find that listed in the 
> booklet that I have.  You need 20,000 miles for a free continental
> ticket by the way.

As of April 1st, 1992 British Airways is no longer a FF partner with American.
They have their own FF program, which allow you to combine the milage of a family
(up to 4 members). If you fly a round trip until December 1992 you will get 10000
bonus milles + double milage on your trip.


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From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Subject: Re: Continental Airlines
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  7 Apr 1992 09:50 EDT  

In article <1992Apr7.044408.16043@cs.ucla.edu>, tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) writes...
>What's the current fiscal status of Continental?  Are they considered
>prime candidates for bankruptcy?
> 
>I ask because I just discovered that for a MKE->LAX roundtrip flight,
>booked 30 days in advance, Easy-Sabre quotes a fare of only $149.  The

What is Easy-Sabre?

>next lowest is $392, on NW, Delta, etc....Any idea why Continental is
>so low in comparison? 
> 
>thanks-
>  Tom
> 
>-- 
>Tom Johnson             "I put this moment.............................here
>tj@cs.ucla.edu           I put this moment......................here
>                         I put this moment--
>                                              Over here!"        (Kate)
From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Pakistani Airlines
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:36:23 GMT
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Harold Somers writes:
>In article <92104.191842SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu> SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu (S. Wukovitz\
)> writes:
>>
>>    Does anyone know if they check your airline ticket with your
>>    passport to see that the names are the same?  In other words,
>>    could I get away with a misspelling without getting booted
>>    from the flight/getting in trouble when we depart/arrive,
>>    etc.?  I have never ever been out of the US before...
>Yes they do check your passport when you check in, because there is a (new)
>regulation that if a passenger is refused entry it is the airline's
>responsibility to repatriate: so airline check-ins check that you have a
>valid passport and visa. They DO check the name, but if it's fairly close
>(your misspellings sound reasonable) you can bluff your way through, claiming
>your travel agent got it wrong. It happens to me occasionally, as my name has
>a slightly unusual spelling.

Another reason that they check it is that most discount tickets are 
non-transferable.  They want to make sure you didn't, say, ask your
friend who is a student to order a student discount ticket for you
because you're not eligible.  But again, as long as it's close, they'll
believe you that it's the agent's error.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway