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From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. countdown theory
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:47:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct12.174050.26194@sbctri.sbc.com> asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper) writes:
>In article <92600@netnews.upenn.edu> kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
>>In article <0eq=Jwu00awB0A_V0M@andrew.cmu.edu> mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Hamilton Walker) writes:

>Well, ever since I bought Reckoning back in '84 or so, I noticed that it
>has the phrase "File under Water" somewhere (maybe on the spine). Then,
>Document had the phrase "File under Fire" printed on it.
>Can we expect a "File under Air" or "File under Earth"? Or did I miss them
>along the way?

I wondered about that myself.  Perhaps there is a continual theme being
expressed.  File under Fire was pretty obvious to me since a large portion of
the album had something to do with fire:  the cry of fire in The One I Love,
"firehouse" in Local 151, "Fire on the Hemisphere below" from "Welcome to
the Occupation", the song "Fireplace".  All of these songs on the album
have to do with some sort of heat, be it fire of the betrayal of love or
hot fire in war or conflict.

Reckoning wasn't so obvious.  ALthough Southern Central Rain mostly dealt with
floods, "Seven Chinese Brothers" is adapted from the old fable of 3? Chinese
brothers, one of which could hold the ocean in his mouth.  "HarborCoat" seems
to echo something of rain, cold water, etc.  "Time after Time" talks
about "...the girl of the hour, by the water tower's watch...".  In "Letter
Never Sent" "...the water is evening out, the catacombs are filling in.
Rockville may be stretching the theory a bit, but "It's so much easier to 
handle all my problems if I'm too far out to sea...."

I don't think you missed anything.  Rem is really prone to "theme' albums.


>Alan
> 


what if you drive to get off?

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From: kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M.
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:00:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bvuqxo.7BJ@cs.vu.nl> pverkai@cs.vu.nl (Verkaik PD) writes:
>kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
>: 
>: All those albums are good, but you haven't experienced the reality of Rem
>: until you've listened to their first threee albums.  This is where they
>: defined their own unique style of music.  (Murmur, Reckoning, Fables).
>
>If you add to that list 'Chronic Town' then I agree completely...

Chronic Town was just an EP, not a full album.  It was more of a
We'reCapableOfMusic,IRS type thing, and to expose the band.

It does, however, have some of the best songs in their catalogue.

>Patrick


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From: meep@parrot.WPI.EDU (A Son of the Silent Age)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: REM - sidewinder
Date: 8 Oct 1992 01:39:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <BvrEo3.1yx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I have a cunning plan...) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.100313.19119@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes...
>> 
>>I find it interesting that releasing an album every year and a half
>>constitutes a creative burst.  The early Beatles released 
>>about 2-3 albums a year.
>> 
>>Sugar just released an album, now they are touring, and they have 
>>nearly completed another album that they plan to release in March.
>> 
>>In comparison,  REM appears to have gotten fat, spoiled, and lazy.
>
>hmm..or they could be just taking care with their work instead of churning
>stuff out.

Not to be oversensitive, but I think Sugar are working so fast because Bob
Mould has had most of these songs for a few years now, and he's just been
waiting to get a good band together...so it's not like they're just
randomly generating stuff to fill up albums.

Also, I'm not sure how much care REM are taking. Mike Mills said that
several of the songs on _Automatic For The People_ are pretty much just
demos, with no real re-polishing. I'm not saying that's bad, just that the
band are apparently working pretty fast 'n' loose, rather than going for
that _Abbey Road_-like studio perfectionism.

I think the new album's pretty good. I'll like it better in another few
days, but I'm really glad they're not touring behind this one. It seems to
me to be mostly material that wouldn't really work live...better to leave
it in the studio.

Just my silly opinions,

Doug
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From: lschroder@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: morrissey question-  HELP!
Organization: Clark University
Date: 14 OCT 92 19:29:30 GMT

ok, i've been wondering, two things about the november spawned a monster
video.  1- how come he is wearing a bandaid on his nipple
2- why is he wearing a hearing aid?

oh- and what is a hulmerist?


thank you,
leah

p.s.please respond directly to me, thanx.
From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: orb fags
Date: 12 Oct 1992 18:37:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <37335@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>if anyone mentions the orb again, i'm gonna beat their baloon till they 
>shit their pants!!!!!-
>
>                caroliner godhead basket crunch

The Orb.

Go ahead, beat me.

I also like This Mortal Coil.  I find a lot of similarities... the Orb just
has a better sense of rhythm and better samplers. ;)

	Brian


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From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Subject: Re: Call Me When You Try To Wake Her Up [Was REM: Okay, I'll bite.]
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:20:11 GMT

straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin) writes:

>   All this discussion about the new album, and yet nobody's brought
>up the all-important question, which is:

>   WHAT THE HECK IS STIPE SINGING IN THE CHORUS TO "SIDEWINDER"?

>   Or is this obvious to everybody except me?  :-)

"Call Me When You Try To Wake Her Up."

Lena
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From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: TMC/16 days
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:14:58 GMT

Ted Watkins writes (about "16 Days / Gathering Dust / Song to the Siren"):

>It's not on the 87' anthology previously mentioned. 

	Um, no, it wouldn't be, because it came out in 1983, not 87!

>The original modern english version may be available on CD.
>The Drugs/Come Here My Love 10" is excellent, but very
>difficult to find. I own the only copy that I (personally) have
>ever seen. Come Here My Love is on one of their full length CDs.

"Come Here My Love" is on _Filigree and Shadow_, as is "Drugs"...I'm told
the versions on the 10" are the same ones (but that's not to say I don't
want the single!)

			Matthew.
From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Swirlies, 10,000 Maniacs
Date: 8 Oct 1992 01:06:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
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In a previous article, MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu (Mike Jung) says:

>Whoever told me that the Swirlies had an album coming out soon on Taang!
>Records, the local store got it in yesterday.  It's a good disc, but track
>3, "her life of artistic freedom," can only pass on a broad definition of
>"artistic freedom," just 'cos of the recording quality (my brotheworked in a
>studio for a cfor a couple of years, said, "They must have had to work
>pretty hard to get that much noise.").  Anyway, is this all of the Swirlies
>material available, or do I still have to search for 7" singles?

There are a few 7" Swirlies singles. There's one on Slumberland and one on
Pop Narcotic. Not having seen the Taang! LP yet, I'm not sure of those
tracks are repeated on the CD.

BTW, avoid the Swirlies/Cudgels 2x7". The sound quality really blows.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:26:17 EDT
From: Jeff Dubin <JD2859A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: New Bohemians

Hello, all...
I'm a New Bohemians (And Edie Brickell to be technical) fan who was crushed
by the news that they have broke up (and the Edie and Paul got married).
Just wondering if anyone out there happened to have their first (Demo?) album
--not Shoot Rubberbands...--.  They had an earlier cassette or something out.
Anyone? Anyone?  Thanks...
---

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From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: BREEDERS and UNREST playing at UCI November 6th.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:59:23 GMT
Distribution: ca


   Well, to reconfirm,   The Breeders are indeed playing at Club UCI
  (aka Pietro's Pub on the UC Irvine Campus)  Friday November 6th.

   And it has been found out that Unrest WILL be opening for them that
  night as well.   A VERY attractive night indeed.


   For those who are asking "Where is Irvine?",  it is in Orange County
   around 40-50 miles south of Los Angeles.  Take the 405 Freeway south
   until Jamboree Rd.  Get off there and turn right.  Left on Campus Dr.
   Park in the Marketplace and walk across the bridge to the shining
  (...chuckle chuckle) UCI campus.

                                                           K!z!K
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From: olivier@everest.ee.umn.edu (Olivier Meirhaeghe)
Subject: Re: Yo La Tengo
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:47:55 GMT

In <1aj4q2INNp21@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes:


>All I know is that Georgia gets my vote for totally cute!


>(and i'd say the VU stuff isn't as far off as one might think.)

>-diversion

	Na..i would say it is pretty close...
	
>--
>diverson@phys.ksu.edu
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From: c188-am@po.berkeley.edu (Leor Jacobi)
Subject: Re: R.E.M. countdown theory
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:16:03 GMT

>>>In article <0eq=Jwu00awB0A_V0M@andrew.cmu.edu> mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Hamilton Walker) writes:

>>Well, ever since I bought Reckoning back in '84 or so, I noticed that it
>>has the phrase "File under Water" somewhere (maybe on the spine). Then,
>>Document had the phrase "File under Fire" printed on it.
>>Can we expect a "File under Air" or "File under Earth"? Or did I miss them
>>along the way?

Don't forget _Eponymous_....File under grain.

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From: dug@athena.cs.uga.edu (Douglas Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Sidewinder Sleeps...
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:48:13 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <kbennett.718905567@milton> kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess) writes:
>rob@vger.cheme.cornell.edu writes:
>
>>I was reading through the notes of AFTP and found something that I wasn't
>>quite sure of.  They thank someone, I forget who, for the words and lyrics
>>to "The Lion Sleeps Tonight."  Obviously, this has to be in regards to
>>"Sidewinder Sleeps..,"  but I have not been able to find the similarity for
>>why they would have to thank someone.  Also, I have heard "The Lion Sleeps.."
>>a couple of times, so I know the basic tune, but I am not sure of who sings
>>it.  I think that They Might Be Giants might do a cover of it, but, again, I
>>am not sure.
>
>TMBG don't have a cover of this, at least recorded.... It's a very old song,
>based on the folk song Wimoweh (check your old Weavers or Pete Seeger records).
>The four falsetto notes that Stipe sings right at the beginning refer to
>the well-known theme or "hook" of both of those songs.  Either the person
>who asked this question is very very young or I am very very old.... :)
>
>Lena

Lena, I hate to break this to you, but TMBG do have a cover (of sorts) of
The Lion Sleeps Tonight.  The song is called "The Guitar" off of _Apollo_18_
and uses the EXACT melody as TLST only with slightly "giantized" lyrics.

  Hush my darling, don't sleep my darling, the lion's on the phone...

One of my absolute favorite songs off of Apollo 18.

dug
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: BH: You Turn Me On
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:51:51 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1b73d7INN4h6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick) writes:

>In a previous article, jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) says:
>>Any opinions on the new Beat Happening release?
>>I think it's fab....
>>Songs are longer than they usually are (at least for BH)
>>Sound is more refined, yet not overproduced.....
>>I'm happy...

>Agreed with all the above points. It's just a tad more accessible than the
>past albums, but still fantastic, especially "Pinebox Derby"...

Just saw them live yesterday with Velocity Girl, Coedine and Gravel.

Mano o man....

They are so friggin amazing live its beautiful.  Especially Calvin.  He
always has that "catatonic" stare, but he is amazing.  Especially his
asides, and his Iggy-Pop-a-Go-Go dancing thing that he does.  They did
Godsend, Tiger Trap, Teenage Caveman, Sleepy Head, Nancy Sin, Black Candy,
Crashing Through, Fortune Cookie Prize, Redhead Walking and other stuff.
I am a total convert now....
They -ARE- the future/past/present of U.S. indies......

Jack
jis@panix.com
From: v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: TeenBeat catalog available (Unrest/Sexual Milkshake/Eggs/DUSTdevils)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Anyone interested in receiving a TeenBeat catalog via email, send me email...

(TeenBeat is one of the more interesting US underground labels, featuring
bands mentioned in the header, plus Los Marauders, Flying Saucer, Scaley
Andrew, Johnny Cohen, and more.)

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Subject: Re: 3Ds - Q?
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:26:31 EDT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Oct9.184524.17309@news.yale.edu>, (J Klein) writes:
> I've heard the 3Ds and really like the sound.  Any suggestions on which
> CD(s) to buy first?  Which not to buy?

Their latest CD is really nice (_Hellazapoppin'_). The only other released in
the US as far as I know is a comp with their first two EPs on it. These are all
on First Warning.
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From: insomnia@carson.u.washington.edu (Ryan Klemmer)
Subject: Re: PEARL JAM BROKE UP!!
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:38:09 GMT

FYI:

  I talked to Mike McCready just this week, and he told me Eddie is
  in Hawaii on vacation.  He also said they're preparing to work
  on a new album.
From: v462etnn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Joy Div trivia
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <FeiasB2w165w@hale.cts.com>, genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes...
>Christopher H. Prokop <CP8219A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> 
>> Ok, everyone knows NO was originally JD
>> Some know that JD was previously called Warsaw.
>> Who knows what they were called before that (and more interestingly-
>>     WHY??)
>during world war ii the nazis had several 'divisions' in the death camps. 
>one of these divisions dealt with sexual experimentation performed on 
>inmates of the camps. they would remove womens' breasts, mens' penises, 
>etc... they wanted to see how people reacted. this was called the 'joy 
>division'. also, hitler proposed what was translated as a 'new order'. 
>what do you make of this?
> 
Wrongo -

The name Joy Division was taken from a book called _The House of
Dolls_ (a book still available in paperback).  See the Warsaw
song "No Love Lost" for a _direct quote_ from the book.  See page
157, third paragraph.  Joy Division was one half of a camp where
female prisoners were kept as prostitutes for officers in the
German army.  The less attractive women were part of the Labor
Division, responsible for the upkeep of the grounds.

New Order, according to several sources, was chosen because Rob
Gretton (manager at the time) had seen a headline in the news
that read "The New Order of the Kampuchean Republic".  He
suggested to the band.  There is no "Hitler" reference to New
Order, although the press continued to try to find "Nazi"
connections.  I guess they just didn't get the idea about "Walked
in Line". ;)

Can this be put to rest?

David "They're great, but get *a* life!" Anderson
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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Primus Sucks!
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date:  9 Oct 92 07:31:01 GMT

Just what "new" Primus CD are
you referring to?


--
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From: kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M.--Nightswimming
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:05:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Fq2HsB3w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
>Christopher John Cenkner <cc6f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>> OK, OK, there's been a lot of talk about "Sidewinder", and "Try not to
>> Breathe", but there seems to be a blatant disregard to the best song on
>> the album, "Nightswimming".  They haven't done anything on piano that
>> sounds this pretty since "Perfect Circle" on _Murmur_.  Anybody else
>> have any comments? Thanx, 


>    That reminds me.  There's been a lot of talk about "Sidewinder", but 
>to me the words are pretty clear on that song.  The lyrics I'd like to see 
>are "Ignoreland" (probably the least intelligible vocal since Pagaent- 
>deliberately?) and "Star Me Kitten," because there seems to be a lot of 
>hidden stuff going on in that song.


If you are talking about least intelligible vocals, you have missed
Fables of the Reconstruction.  Try "Life and How to Live It" on
for size, or perhaps Kahoutec (sp?).  Or for that matter, look at
Chronic Town.  Rem's history of vocals is near intelligible



kcw


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From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: KMFDM remixes of White Zombie
Date: 10 Oct 1992 17:22:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>    Anybody hear this EP yet? What did you think? I work at our college radio
>station, and I thought what I heard was okay (re-mix of Black Sunshine), but
>nothing spectacular...tho maybe it grow on you....

The remixes of "Black Sunshine" were OK, but the remix of "Thunder Kiss 65"
was _atrocious._ They completely lost the groove of the original, which
IMHO was the best thing about the song... oh well...


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Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 23:47:43 -0400 
From: Karl Anthony Smeltzer <ks5z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: INXS


Inxs's new album is just as annoying as all the rest of theirs, pick
something much more worthy of discussion please.