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From: sprute@dsf58a.desy.de (Lars Sprute)
Subject: Re: Taiji and Tai Chi.....
Organization: DESY, Hamburg, Germany
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:46:15 GMT


renault@CAM.ORG (Pierre Renault) writes:
: My apologies for the blanks, and my thanks to Robert here at cam.org for 
: the help explaining vi to me.
: 
: In a reply to an original post regarding a question regarding "tai chi chuan"
: vs "taijiquan" a comment was stating that "tai chi chuan" means: the boxing
: style in harmony with the principles of ying and yang. - My apologies to the 
: original poster and reply-er for msiquotes and not having their names current.
: 
: Nevertheless, I wish to add my 2 cents.
: 
: Taijiquan does not have anything to do with taoism.

Hmm, I doubt that. For sure, Taijiquan is a martial art, and Taoism is a 
philosophy, as everyone knows. But Taoism is also a special style of
living according to the Tao, as I understood it, reading only a few basic
books. Tai Ji is also the name of the Yin-Yang-Symbol, and is sometimes
called the 'mother' of Yin and Yang. Tao is the 'force' which 'drives'
the change between Yin and Yang.

The Yin-Yang concept is at least 2500 years old, mentioned in the I Ching,
and Taoism, in my point of view, is strongly related to this principle as is
Taijiquan. 

So, well, now, after mixing up all facts, rumors and believings, I'm confused
enough to say, that I don't know the answer, by the way, what was 
the question ??   :-)

Do you think it's a good idea to crosspost this discussion to 
soc.religion.eastern ??


Lars

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From: jack@serss0 (jack )
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Anyone Practice Gracie
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:14:08 GMT

Date: 7 Jan 93 09:14:08 EST
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Need hapkido advice on warmups, please read!
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:40:38 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <C0p26r.AxE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Just got back from hapkido (nice little dojo!) :).  The head instructor
>is a 6th Dan, and his assistant is a temporary blackbelt. I was
>surprised when I asked the head instructor what style hapkido this is,
>he just said "hapkido."  That must be BS.. how can a 6th Dan not be
>aware of the different styles?  Maybe some of you can tell me what style
>by the below text.  Anyway, this is our course context:
>
It seems to me that a 6 dan should know what variant of hapkido he is
teaching better than we net.pundits.  (Or she...)  He probably also
knows plenty about stretching - I can't imagine, as a group, anone
else being more knowledgeble about such things than instructors of
Korean arts, given their well-known skill in kicks.  

You don't seem to realize your good fortune to be able to learn
directly from someone of that rank.  You'd do well to empty your
cup and listen to him.

Actually, it's probabl a good sign that he didn't say that
he is teaching a particular "style" of hapkido.  You might be
getting the unadulterated thing.

Charles Yeomans
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 03:50:22 CST
From: David James Alexander Hanley <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Supplementing aikido( or any art )

  I want to learn a "punching, kicking" art to supplement my aikido
training and give me well-rounded self-defense skills.  My first choice is
Wing Tsun, because it seems to me that these movements could be easily
integrated, and it is suited to my natural "grasping, rounded" refelexes
which is one of the reasons I picked aikido in the first place.  I studied
shoto-kan karate for several months, but it did not suit me.

  Does anyone have any experience in this?  Ideas?  Questions?
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From: igorbil@athena.mit.edu (Igor Bilinsky)
Subject: Chen Tai Chi in Boston/Cambridge?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:09:22 GMT

Hi,
Can anyone recommend a Chen style Tai Chi school in Boston/Cambridge?
Thanks

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From: Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
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Subject: different strokes
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 12:01:02 -0500

MM>...Someone attacks you with a kick that's aimed at your knee...and
MM>you "counter" with a rising block.

Lemme see now, someone kicks at my knee, so I treat it like a high
section attack and counter with eolgool makki (a rising block)? I
don't think I can get that drunk.

MM>...Doing a wheel kick on a gravel parking lot after you've had a
MM>couple of beers is exactly the same sort of thing.  You go and get
MM>yourself stupid with alcohol to begin with, and then you use a
MM>completely inappropriate technique for the situation.  Hmm, I
MM>wonder if there's a pattern here...

There is a pattern. It is your attempt to dictate morality to the
martial arts community. Whether or not a person drinks is irrelevant in
a discussion of techniques. An inappropriate counter just means you made
a bad choice and is more related to what you practice in the dojang than
to your level of ethyl alcohol.

The fact one is attacked in the parking lot of a tavern does not make
the tavern intrinsically evil or the attacked somehow at fault. Parking
lots are *very* dangerous places.

MM>...TKD is a toolbox, and you picked up the wrench when you should
MM>have chosen the hammer.

Nonetheless, the *choice* is his: many find the sport techniques, lack
of pragmatic self-defense and emphasis on poom-se (forms) in some
dojangs to be undesirable. Others think this is the best invention since
the wheel. One's perception is not necessarily another's reality.

Peace in our time,

Tom Stovall
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From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:37:00 GMT
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In article 6158@ms.uky.edu, satadd00@nx14.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken) writes:
>
>Remember, it was Kano himself who made the initial push to get judo into the
>Olympic games.

But not a push into what it has become. It has gotten away from "Judo",
Kodokan and about everyone else except those who play the Olmpic rules
game.

Read Draeger's 1st couple of chapters in "The Formal Katas of Judo"
(or whatever). His criticism is quite timely and justified. 

Just restating - IMO.

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Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: smith@cs.tulane.edu (Lon Smith)
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:13:19 GMT


In article <C0CIDI.D7s@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>, giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere) writes:
> Having taken Aikido for a few months now, I'm pleased with the way my body is
> responding to the regular exercise sessions.  But I can't say that I've noticed
> my stomach area responding as well as my chest area -- i.e., I still have a 
> bit of a pot-belly.  Looking around at other people who do martial arts (not
> necessarily Aikido) I've noticed that some very strong and fit people still
> have a "gut".  Then I had a discussion with a friend about toning exercises 
> for the stomach and he expressed concern that such exercises would hinder
> your use of the "one point" just below your navel by not allowing you to
> relax properly in that area.
> 
> Any opinions on this?  Is getting rid of fat and building muscles up in
> and around the stomach area good or bad?
> 
> -- 
>  Eric Giguere                                    giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA
>           So is Windows NT short for "Windows, NOT?"  

I my opinion if you get rid of the gut it would most likely make you feel
better in both the way you look and move. Yet, from a martial arts point of 
view less weight is easier to move. As far as making it harded to relax to 
point below you navel, in Chinese arts its called the "Ton Tien" (sorry about 
the spelling), you have the same problem when you strengthen any muscle as 
you strengthen it you must also work on flexibility in that area. So, do your
sit ups and then do some back arches to stretch your stomach. 

Lon  
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From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Well, well, well...
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:13:45 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan7.162042.10370@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>schan@birch.srg.af.mil writes:
>
>>	Maybe you should give the Chinese some credit for deciding how their
>>language will be represented to westerners, instead of passively accepting
>>Wade-Giles, or other foriegnly produced system?
>
>Okay now this I really don't get.  Actually I'm not passively accepting
>anything except that I have never pronounced any word in the English language
>beginning with the letter "Q" with a "ch" sound.  Is this a difficult concept?
>Further, more and more in recognition of this same principle, Indians have
>come to spell Indian words such as "rajnish" as "rajneesh," recognizing that
>in American english, we pronounce "i" as "fish" not "feesh."  Big concept
>hunh?  Also, I never say "xit!"  or "xame on you..." or "xe sell sea xells at
>the sea xore..."  

But Pinyin is not designed for English-speakers; it is designed for
Mandarin speakers. The letters are chosen to correspond to sounds
used in Mandarin, not sounds used in English. Sure, 'q' as used in
Mandarin doesn't have the same sound as 'q' used in English, but
'j' as used in German doesn't have the same sound as 'j' in
English, and neither does 'w'. The sounds represented in Pinyin
by 'q' and 'ch' are different sounds, and neither one is the
sound 'ch' has in English.
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From: haworth@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Hapkido
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:03:58 GMT

Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org  writes:

 *** snip ***

> Our particular form of Hapkido incorporates kicks, punches, sweeps,
> throws, locks, chokes, gouges, bites (!), and one weapon: the cane.
> It's not the oldest, the most deadly, the most effective or any other
> superlative...but it works for us.

In comparing this post with an earlier one, I detect a marked difference
in the weapons used.  The earlier post (sorry I don't have the text)
mentioned the belt, the short stick (about twelve inches of white oak
on a leather thong), and the cane.  My question is to all students of
Hapkido: what weapons are taught in your style?

My own study was in Korea.  There we studied the short stick first,
then the belt, then the cane, and somewhere (5 to 6th dan) the shinai (sp?)
(long sword).


Happy New Year

Dwight A. Haworth
CBA  UN at Omaha
From: gatenby@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: nelsons
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:09:34 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU

David James Alexander Hanley writes:
> how likely is a well-trained opponent to try to apply the full-nelson? 

David:

I don't know how _likely_ it is, but I can tell you that if they get it on
properly then you're NOT going to get out of it.  If they sit you on your bum
(them behind you) then you can't use your legs, you can't throw, they've got
both your arms and your neck is about to break - if you ever feel someone going
for a full Nelson, then react FAST - before their hands/arms are fully in
position, other wise you're buggered

LPAF
Neil

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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:18:09 GMT

Of course a strong stomach is important.  It supports the spine
and keeps the vitals safe from attacks.  The fact that an aikidoka
is mentioning the question is interesting.  I took Judo with an
aikido guy who has really strong shoulders for his size, but when
I got him on the ground, he was helpless because he had NO stomach
development.  Is this common?  As a Taekwondo guy, I have to keep
my stomach strong because otherwise I'd have a lot of back pain
from high kicks and spinning kicks.  I also have to keep my belly
off, because otherwise I wouldn't be able to DO high kicks.  That's
why I still do TKD, even if Hapkido and T'ai Chi are really a lot
more interesting.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shoes in the dojo (gasp!)
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:39:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>Why not wear shoes, then?  I realize there is the Japanese thing about 
>wearing shoes indoors, and all, but which is more important, following
>customs or following the 'way'?  Outside of karate class, how often do
>you go around barefoot?
>
>Practitioners of non-Japanese arts wear shoes while training to no apparent
>ill-effect.  In fact, my biggest problem in this regard has been (to
>paraphrase Funakoshi) "to make my training shoes my everyday shoes, and make
>my everyday shoes my training shoes."  Or, at least, to find shoes suitable
>for both roles.
>
>I guess this is ultimately a question of whether martial arts are funny
>suits and bowing, or whether they are a significant part of your
>moment-to-moment existence.

If you expect to use your art for defence, you MUST pratice it in street
clothing, which will be more restirctive and balance-affecting than 
'funny suits'. Only that way will you find which techniques are practical
on hte street, and how to optimise those techniques. For instance, it is 
really dangerous to practice fancy high kicks, only to find in extremis
that they dont work in fashionably tight Levis down the club. You wont get
a second chance at it.
From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kicking someone's xxx.
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:18:03 GMT
    <1993Jan4.133035.1602@ms.uky.edu> <MARY.93Jan4141431@martinique.Cayman.COM>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <MARY.93Jan4141431@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan4.133035.1602@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>
>   In article <BSIMON.92Dec30114651@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
>   >I have no question about the morality of attacking someone who
>   >verbally insults me, but I'm not so sure about the legality. Isn't
>   >there something in the law about "fighting words" that can mitigate
>   >or excuse the crime of assualt? Are there any net lawyers out there
>   >that know about "fighting words"?
>   >--
>   There does seem to be an allowance for "fighting words" in the common
>   law.  The idea is that certain types of speech might constitute assault, 
>   from which one is entitled to defend himself.  It is always something
>   of a judgement call, both for the prosectors and a jury.  Thank goodness
>   for jury nullification.
>
>I don't believe it is really clearly defined; however, I think that it
>has to be able to be construed as a threat that could somehow affect you.
>In other words, if I say, "Your mama is a pig from hell," that's not
>fighting words.  If I say, "All people wearing blue jackets must be shoved
>in front of busses and I mean to get started right away," and you happen
>to be wearing a blue jacket, then that might be taken as fighting words.
>The idea of "fighting words" is not that someone says something nasty, 
>but that they say something that could reasonably lead you to believe 
>that they are about to start with you.
>
>   I also mention that a person does not have to strike you to commit assault - 
>   indeed, once she does, she has committed "assault and battery". It isn't
>   always a question of who threw the first punch. If someone walks up to 
>   you and says "I'm going to kill you" and you have good reason to
>   believe him, you can shoot first and still have a strong self-defense
>   claim.  Recall Bernard Goetz - this is more or less what happened.
>
>Right.  This, I think, is what they mean by "fighting words"...but it 
>doesn't have to be this direct, either.
>
Actually there is some flexibility in the law about just what constitutes
assault.  Indeed it may well be possible to commit assault verbally, get 
yer ass kicked and the other person will be deemed to have acted in
self-defense.  For instance, let's say that you address an African-American
by "Hey, n*gger" and he punches your mouth shut for you.  It is quite possible
that the puncher will be able to successfully assert a self-defense defense
when you bring charges against him.  Of course, if he whips out a gun and 
kills you, or happens to be black Welsh and does god knows what to you,
he might not get away with that.

Charles Yeomans
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From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: Shoes in the dojo (gasp!)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:32:47 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <hurd.726200142@sfu.ca>, hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
|>     I don't go bare foot, I rarely walk around without orthapedic boots.

I'm not a podiatrist, but it seems to me that if you need orthapedic boots,
then barefoot training is going to do worse things to your feet than just
a bunch of blisters.  If your need for arch support (or whatever) is so
pressing that you have to wear special boots, then I can't believe that
your instructor is going to have a problem with you wearing some sort of
footwear when you train.

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re:Re:Street Defense
Date: 8 Jan 1993 07:13:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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>A can stop 6' before X and wait until B goes by or does something.

In this case B immediately assumes a kind of fighting posture, complete
with glare and possibly shouts.  B will either be content to stand there
in a kind of "Mexican standoff", which A does not want to participate in,
or will advance directly towards A in a menacing way.   ???
From: GRS00037@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Blackie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kung Fu in the Charlotte NC, area?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:05:22 GMT
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I am looking for a good school in Charlotte NC, that either teaches
southern Si Lum Kung Fu, or Northern Long Fist Kung Fu. I would 
prefer the southern styles because I am already used to the animal
styles. I also enjoy Chi Na, another hand form that the Northern
Styles try to teach. If there is a qualified instructor that would like
to teach out of his house on a one on one situation, that would also
be feasable. If you are in the Charlotte NC area and know of a good
NON TAE KWON DO school, please get in touch with me.

						Thanks,
							Doug.
P.S> If you are a 75 year old Chinese Immigrant who 
has no natural sons and is afraid of your vast
knowledge of Kung Fu dying out with you and want to
take one private student to pass it on to, then
drop me a line.

P.P.S> Then again I could perform that ancient Tai Chi
move: Monkey-Fly-Out-Of-Butt. (Its right after brush
knee in the long form, I swear!)
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From: tino@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (allen.j.tino)
Subject: Re: Anyone practice Gracie?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:32:32 GMT

From article <1i7sjtINNm2p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by ap932@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Larry Cuy):
> 
> 
> Having watched some Gracie videos (Action 2 and instructional
> tapes) I'm wondering if anyone on the net actually has been
> trained in Gracie and if it is as effective as claimed. The
> tapes which seem to show actual street fighting are somewhat
> convincing. I know, all of you that believe in keeping on your
> feet distain going to the ground or that possibility but htat
> seems to be the reality in many real life situations. Gracie
> seems to have a straightforward method of dealing with that
> eventuality. Comments from those that have practiced Gracie?
> 

I've studied with the Gracie's (mainly Rickson) ever since attending
their first seminar in the NJ area a few years ago.  I can't train
with them regularly, since they're in California and I'm in NYC, but
I go out there when I can and train privately when they come east.

I find their style of ground fighting unique, powerful, and -- most
important -- logical and learnable.  They are great.

I still prefer, in real life, not to go to the ground if possible.
But it's a dandy skill to have backing you up.  I've studied
jiu-jitsu/kick-boxing for years, but I found that with the little
Gracie JJ that I know, I usually mop the floor with my instructor.
(Well, I used to!  Now I've taught him all I know, so it's back
to being a dogfight.)

_______
Al Tino
tino@globe2.ATT.COM
From: dudding@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Dennis Dudding Avionic)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Where can I train Shotokan at Little Rock Air Force Base?
Keywords: HELP, Karate, Training Place, Guest, Shotokan, Nidan
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:01:56 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Originator: dudding@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu


	I'll be working at LRAFB for 3 weeks beginning Jan. 9, 1993 thru
Jan. 31, 1993.  I would appreciate any recommendations and comments
about that club's policy concerning visitors.

	Thanks in advance for any help offered.

P.S.	Please E-Mail any suggestions to:


		dudding@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

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From: dbs@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Dave Sheehy)
Subject: Re: nelsons
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:08:04 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
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David James Alexander Hanley (U16244@uicvm.uic.edu) wrote:
:   Another point here is, how likely is a well-trained opponent to try
: to apply the full-nelson?  

It depends on their specific training of course but a properly applied
full nelson is fatal (neck/spine breaker). So I guess the answer is a
well-trained opponent who's trying to kill you might use it.

Dave Sheehy