From: frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de (Frank O'Dwyer)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Why AntiAbortionists are RADICALS and NOT Conservatives
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:33:40 GMT
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG

chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
: frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
: > chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
: >> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
: >>> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
: 
: >>>> I really wish that the AntiAbortionists would be honest and
: >>>> admit that they are seeking to Gut the Bible, Trash American
: >>>> History, and Set Up some Utopia that never has Existed.
: >>>> First off, I'd like a reason (specifics) on how the antiabortionists
: >>>> are gutting the Bible and trashing American history.
: 
: >> Gutting the Bible:            Read Numbers 5:12-31, which shows God
: >>                               to be pro-abortion.
: 
: > And here's the bible exhorting us all to commit suicide:
: >        "Judas went and hanged himself in a field"
: >        "..And Jesus said, go thou and do likewise"
: 
: Ho, ho!  Not even in the same chapter!  You VileHereticalDebaserOfGod's
: HolyWrit, you!

If that's how you think Christians feel about it, why are you attempting
to debase their Bible, then?    Are you getting paid, or something?

: 
: > Don't have the chapter and verse, but you get the idea...
: > [ Example heard long, long ago from a Catholic priest who openly 
: >  admitted that _any_ proposition and its opposite can be supported 
: >  by pulling Bible quotes out of context. ]
: 
: The Numbers citation isn't out of context, not by a long shot.

Yes it is.  I'm neither a theologian nor a Christian, but if I
were I would be saying that your quote is way out of context.
It's proper context is the Bible.  The whole Bible.

The same bible that contains the following sort of thing:

    "Judge not lest you be judged"
        - both pro and anti  (e.g. who are you to judge what makes a person?
                                   or:  who are you to judge a pregnant woman?)

    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
        - both pro and anti  (and a negation of something which escapes me for now
                              but it's in the Old Testament...)

    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
	- more of a pro-life argument IMHO, but can be seen as pro-choice at a stretch.


[  'course, now - those are all out of context too, so there's not much point in
   debating these either. Sorry, Larry, to steal your thunder but sometimes I 
   _remember_ to state the bloody obvious before you get a chance...:-) ]

See what I mean?  A jesuit priest, if I had one handy, would tear your Biblical 
argument to shreds.  Trust me on this.  That's what jesuit priests are employed for,
to slap down arrogant kids who think they know a flaw in the Bible that nobody in 
2000 years of Christianity has spotted yet.

Drop it, unless you believe the stuff, is my advice.  You are gloating and sneering
over this quote from a book which you do not even appear to believe.  You are saying
at one and the same time that the book ought and ought not to be believed.  And although 
I am not a Christian I neither advocate nor appreciate juvenile sneering at the basis
of this or any other religion.

:  
: >> Trashing American History:    Steve Chaney continually asserts that
: >>                               the fetus was a legal person before
: >>                               Roe vs. Wade.
: >> There's more.  There's lots, lots more.
: 
: > ...pro-life people in the world than Steve Chaney.
: 
: And some of them can even write coherently...

Thanks.  Steve and I do write rather well, don't we? :-)

: 
: > Plus, an outsiders view:  American History consists in large measure
: > of American People trashing American History.  It's the American Way,
: > godammit!!!!!!   :-)
: 
: Smiley noted.  Of course, there aren't any attempts at revisionism in your
: corner of the world, either. :-)

Your smiley noted too.  You didn't need it tho'.  I like your remark very much, 
smiley or no.  But do you think I am German, Irish, Danish or some other
nationality?  

[  Irish.  And Dublin is no "corner of the world", but rather
the center of the universe!!! (Haven't you folks read any James Joyce?? :-))  ]

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