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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys Trades (was Best/Worst Trades)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <1992Nov13.205639.5742@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>In article <BxMHwv.Lv9@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>>
>>I am happy that JJ has helped speed up the return of the Dallas Cowboys,
>>but I feel he is getting too much credit as an evaluator of talent.
>>Steve Walsh is a great example.  Sure, the Cowboys got some good draft
>>picks for Walsh, but they gave up the #1 pick in the draft that year to
>>get Walsh in the first place (via their first-round supplemental draft).
>
>You act like Johnson KNEW he would have the overall #1 the next year instead
>of just a mid-1st-round pick.  Getting Walsh as trade bait or to push Aikman
>or to back up Aikman are all possible scenarios.  Walsh filled ALL these roles
>in his brief career with Dallas.  Yes, if Johnson/Jones knew they were using
>the overall #1 the next year, it was a bad move.  Since they didn't know that,
>and they expected a ~.500 season, they had reason to believe they were using an
>overall #10-15 pick.  Maybe they were overly optimistic about Johnson's
>progression up the learning curve of an NFL coach.

But doesn't this fall under the "evaluator of talent" label.  If he thought
he had a .500 team instead of the 1-15 team he really had, then he had
a mistaken perception of the team's talent.  Had he realized that the
team was so bad, then he wouldn't have traded what was surely to become
a top-5 pick for Steve Walsh.

Jason Gische
From: jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonathan T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:04:26 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov13.173610.4203@wam.umd.edu>, emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh) writes:
> I'm afraid to wake up all you people whose favorite team is in the AFC  
> because I just realized how weak the AFC is.  Hmmmmmm.  On any given day  
> an NFC team (the worst) can beat the best AFC team.  For years now the Afc  
> have whoooped the NFC in the probowl but that doesn't matter.  The NFC has  
> dominated the Superbowl for years no.  I don't see any change either.   
> Call me biased because the Cowboys are in the NFC.  AFC sucks!

	Ok, let me get this straight...it does not matter that the best players
in the AFC beat the best players in the NFC?? Something seems wrong here, maybe
its just me....
	I agree with you on one point, any given team can beat any given team, 
on any given day...I give you one past example...the Giant vs. the Bills in the
Super Bowl...because of 2 feet, the Giants won...everything else was equal...
	As for the AFC being a weak conference, the Bills' record equals that 
of San Fran and Dallas...looks equal to me. Before this monday night's game,
more than 2 AFC teams were in the top 2 spots, right along with your NFC.
	I think you do not know what you are talking about...maybe it is YOU 
who needs to be woken up!

					-Jonny B.
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: MNF
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:26:57 GMT

In article <00964100.17850F40@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>Hi there
>Can anybody post the latest score in the MNF game?
>Thanks a lot.

With 9:55 to go in the 4th quarter, it's

Washington   3
New Orleans 17

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, North Stars, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu    | 
EECS Department               |  "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University   |     -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills
Summary: ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^  Yeah right
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.131645.8779@iscsvax.uni.edu>, lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu writes...
>O.K. so maybe the Dolphins DID lose on Monday night, but at the half they were
>clearly the better team.  

	I didn't know they started counting victories on one half of football
played.

>I agree that the Bills did win the game 

	Woo!  Way to go!
>What I want to
>know is how in hell did Buffalo win?

	Ummm...a higher final score?  I'm just guessing.


>        Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  

	The Buffalo News has quoted Marv Levy as saying, "Since Steve went out
and dominated the Dolphins single-handedly, I have decided to let him play
every position on offense and defense this Sunday against the Falcons."  ;8'-)

>Thomas only had
>only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  

	Well, if <130 yards of offense is a puny contribution, I'd like to see
what a BIG contribution is.

[various Miami rantings deleted]

>        As a Dolphin fan, I'd just like to say that I think the Bills got
>lucky.  

	I'd rather be lucky than a LOSER.

>Hey Shula...
> 
>Good Game!!!!!

	Yeah, Shula, keep up the good work!!  Way to rack up those 'L's.
> 
>    Kurt
>        
>(LYLE5741@iscsvax.uni.edu)


Jon
From: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sikahema
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:50:05 GMT
Reply-To: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Plan B from Green Bay this year, actually the special teams coach had his
eyes set on Jeff Sydner from Hawaii for kick returns, it turns out that
Vai is kicking some major butt!!

Chris Hanley
From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: JETS FUCKING AWFUL
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:08:49 GMT
Organization: NASA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b1300mac7.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Nov23.114259.4504@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 5checki_m@spcvxb.spc.edu 
writes:
> Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-
state.edu!cis.ohio-
> state.edu!rutgers!spcvxb!5checki_m
> From: 5checki_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
> Subject: JETS FUCKING AWFUL
> Message-ID: <1992Nov23.114259.4504@spcvxb.spc.edu>
> Date: 23 Nov 92 16:42:59 GMT
> Organization: St. Peter's College, US
> Lines: 17
> 
> I cannot believe how God Awful the New York Jets are.

(frenzied ravings deleted)

>               As for Scott 
> Zolak, he is a mother fucking punk whom I hope dies in an auto accident.

Wishing for a human being's death? You're taking this TOO SERIOUS!
  
> 
> 		BILLS      SUCK		DOLPHINS SUCK
> 		COLTS   SUCK         	PATRIOTS SUCK
> 
> 
> 			WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR ASSHOLES- WE'LL FUCK YOU UP

Boy, what a profane sore loser!




COWBOYS FOREVER! (my standard woof.)

------------------------
       John Paul Phillips   
             "Azjohn"         
         NASA/Langley        
azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov
From: wytten@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers still suck
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:29:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: umn-cs.wytten.722021360
Organization: University of Minnesota

If you think Jack Buck and Hank Stram are any better, turn down the
sound on ABC-TV and tune in CBS Radio.

Dale
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: intentional grounding (Re: Bills vs. Dolphins)
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:50:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <97999@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
writes:

>And my personal favorite, Kelly is about to be sacked by Coleman, he tosses
>the ball away.  I'm still waiting for that intentional grounding call.

Kelly threw the ball towards an eligible reciever and the ball landed at
the reciever's feet. Why should this have been intentional grounding? Just
because the three goofballs said it should be? I know the ruling says
something about throwing the ball to avoid a sack, but I think the spirit of
the rule intends to prevent qb's from throwing the ball to an area where no
recievers are present just to avoid being sacked. Kelly picked out a receiver
and threw the ball at him.

It was a great, heads up play by Kelly. If the wording of the intentional
grounding rule prevents a qb from throwing the ball at an eligible reciever,
the rule needs to be changed.

A quite similar play happened in the Iowa State-Nebraska game (go Cyclones!)
last Saturday. The NU qb, who was being sacked and practically laying on the
turf, flung the ball at the TE who was in blocking on the play. The TE made
the tough catch and took the ball in for a TD. That was a great play. I'd
certainly hate to see an NFL rule prohibiting such plays.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
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From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles @ Giants
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:46:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov17.202235.8916@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:

> In article <97995@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:
> 
> >A newspaper here in Philly put the Giants as the favorite against the Eagles
> >this Sunday.  Can somebody tell me why is that so?  What r the criterias of
> >choosing which team is the favorite besides a home game?? Thanks in advance.

The paper today had the eagles as 3 1/2 point favorites, opening up as
a *pickit* (ie. even) game.

> Easy.  9 days ago, New York beat Green Bay.  2 days ago, Green
> Bay beat Philly.

that Giants/Packers game was lost by the Packersa, instead of being
won by the Giants. The Packers beat themselves because Favre threw 2
or 3 int's in the last 8 minutes, with reyna thompson taking one of 
those in for a TD. The score midway thru the 4th period was 13-7
Giants. The final Giants score was added on due to Packers stupidity
with about a minute to go. I didn't see the Packers/Eagles game.




Mark
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: GIANTS blow a big one.
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:51:08 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Well, the GIANTS have stopped being inconsistent between games and now have
switched to being inconsistent WITHIN games.  The first quarter was all theirs.
Hoss and co. were able to march right downfield against the Eagles (who had
lined up 8 men on the line and challenged the running game) by passing.  After
a Matt Bahr field goal, they did it again.  Vai Sekahema returned a punt for
good field position and after the Eagles were scored, Ruzek missed the PAT.
Now, Dave Meggett returned a punt 92 yards to put the GIANTS up 17-6. On
the next possesion, Herschel fumbled and teh GIANTS scored to make it 20-6.

You just knew the were going to screw it up and sure enough, on third and long,
Hoss nails a TD pass... right to Eagles LB Seth Joyner.  The interception was
returned 43 yards to make the score 20-13 and the momentum was completely
shifted to the Eagles.  The first half ended with Herschel scoring to make it
20-20.  Randall was picked off 3 times (once in the end zone) and didn't have
a good first half.  During the second half, the offense barely had time to
touch the ball.  Sekahema returns a punt 60 yards for the go ahead TD to make
the score 27-20 Eagles.  On the next possesion, journeyman punter Ken Willis'
punt is blocked and the Eagles are now 34-20.   That was pretty much the 
extent of the game cause the rest of it was pretty much run-out-clock stuff.

In the process, the GIANTS loss Hoss, Steve DeOssie and Sean Landeta.

The GIANTS pretty much outplayed the Eagles for the first half but stupid
mistakes on defense and a total breakdown of special teams just cost them
big.

Rookie QB Kent Graham stepped in for Hoss who took some nasty hits and scored
his first NFL TD but that was pretty much a gimme after the Eagles were up
by 20 points or so.

Although the first half was really good (with the score tied 20-20 at halftime)
the second half was just plain ugly. This puts the GIANTS completely out of
wild-card contention.  The Eagles also have a pretty tough schedule ahead but
unless Green Bay can really come on strong in the second half of the season,
they are pretty much set for a wild card.

satish nair
go giants

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: NFC dominance?
Reply-To: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI 48202
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:10:30 GMT


DV>
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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles vs. 49ers:  what'll happen
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:43:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Nov20.134306.4077@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
|In article <1ds2diINN71i@morrow.stanford.edu|, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:



|I disagree.  The Cowboys O is VERY dissimilar to the 49ers.  The 49ers are
|first and foremost a passing team.  The running of Ricky Watters is just a
|bonus.  The Cowboys are a rushing team behind Smith, and generally pass to keep
|his rush lanes unclogged.
 
The 49ers are number 1 in Rushing offense for the past 3 weeks. They have
fallen from the number 1 passing team to the fourth rated passing
team. Rickey Waters is now, I think, the fourth rated rusher in the
NFC, and something similiar for the NFL. Steve Young is not only the
leagues highest rated passer, but in the top ten rushers of the NFC.

The 49ers, this week, can now stop the rush, they have gone from 7 or
8 to number *2* at stopping the rush. Since the Eagles have no passing
game, even though the niners can't stop a passing attack, the niners
should win, on the freedom to either pass or run at their will.

The only thing that can stop the niners, in my opinion is teams that
have farily decent passing attacks. Teams like Miami, or even the
Vikings. I think the Cowboys also still have a decent passing game.
-- 
"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Cowboys Trades (was Best/Worst Trades)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.230958.15627@leland.Stanford.EDU>, paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes...
>In article <1992Nov13.205639.5742@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>>In article <BxMHwv.Lv9@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
stuff about JJ and Walsh trade deleted...

> 
>But doesn't this fall under the "evaluator of talent" label.  If he thought
>he had a .500 team instead of the 1-15 team he really had, then he had
>a mistaken perception of the team's talent.  Had he realized that the
>team was so bad, then he wouldn't have traded what was surely to become
>a top-5 pick for Steve Walsh.

How could he have overestimated the talent on the team?  Easy.  The man
had no idea how much talent he had until he got to training camp *after*
the draft.  All he had to go on was statistics and such.  Given that the
Cowboys were not a 1-15 team the years previous, he had to make an 
assumption that they would win more that just one game his first year.
I don't think that was unreasonable to think at the time.

___________________________________________________________________________
Tracy Persky           Texas A&M University           tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu

John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."  (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: Brett Favre
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:58:31 CST

Brett Favre had a hell of a good game.  Avoided the rush the entire game.  Ran
for one touchdown.   Completede a crucial scrambling pass to set up that
touchdown.  Hit Sterling Sharpe for a 49 yard TD.  What a game...  I'm telling
you Pack are going to hit 8-8 this season.  Can't wait till Tampa, Detriot, and
Los Angeles come to the wonderful winter wonderland of Green Bay.




_______________________________________________________________________________

Favre fades back, play action...throwing long!  Looking for Sharpe!

TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:33:58 GMT
Reply-To: jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske)
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

I thought I should post some news on my team, the Packers.
In case anyone is interested:
Vince Workman is definitely out for Sunday's game.
Brett Favre expects to play Sunday. (incidentally Ron Wolf considers him
"a very special young man" and wants to sign him to a long term contract)
Darrell Thompson was listed as questionable (ankle), but is expected to play.

What impressed me most about the game against the Eagles was the "drive"
of the Packers. All the Pack (finally) seemed to give it all, on every play.
I don't know if this is a Brett Favre influence or not, but he is 4-4 as
Packer quarterback. I was impressed when Rich Moran was injured, Favre was
the one there holding his hand, when Moran was enduring the pain.
I hope the Pack will be back soon!

JP Wieske
jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu

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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:34:39 GMT


|>"only" the Packers??!! Maybe none of you have realized it but the Packers have
|>vastly improved the last two games.  I would not be at all surprised to see the
|>Pack finish up at 8-8, not bad considering Favre is just a second year man.
|>Not to mention the fact that it's Holmgrems(or however you spell it) first year
|>as head coach.  "Only" the Packers??!!  I'm not surprised at all over their win
|>this Sunday, after all, it was ONLY the Eagles.
|>

cool,  ONLY the Eagles....          ONLY THE IGGLES

as a Viking fan, I especially know that the Pack should never be taken lightly.
It is too bad that the Iggles and RanDULL Cunninham are too good to be bothered
playing a lowly team like the packers.  We all know that since their big win
over the cowboys they have been a lock in the Super Bowl.  :^)  :^)

 I think the Vikings should be more worried about their rematch with the 
Pack than the game with the super bowl bound Iggles.  The Iggles will be 
looking past the Vikes to the Super Bowl anyways.

Thank you Green Bay, you made my day even after the vikes lost.  
Ha, ha   RanDULL,     No class.......

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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers still suck
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:03:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.132117.2509@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) wri
tes:
>I only watched a few plays of the game between the Dolphins and Bills,
>and on nearly every one of them the MNF guys were saying that Miami was
>doing something illegal.  Once Dierdork wanted a late hit out of bounds
>(seemed like an okay hit to me), another time Marino was drawing the
>Bills offsides by moving his upper body (replay did NOT clearly show this
>at all), and on yet another they wanted a pick on some wide receiver
>(replay showed this was possible).  Then when the Bills had the ball
>they did nothing but gush about how great they were.  It seemed like
>bias or bandwagon jumping to me.  Keep in mind that I'm not making a
>statement about either team (I don't care that much), but just making
>an observation about the announcers everyone loves to hate.  Did anyone
>else notice this?
>
>
>
>--
>Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
>mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
>"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"


I had the sound turned down during the game, but IMHO Dan Marino did move his 
upper body as well as his arms.  I think the call should have gone against him.
 I am concerned, however, about this dangerous precedent of agreeing with 
Dierdork :-)

Paul
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From: rueb@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Christopher J. Rueb)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:34:04 GMT
Keywords: Great Week

>OK, so I got a lot of flames and I only went about 7-7 this week.

>Let the record stand that I picked the Lions to cover at Pitt, the
>Packers to beat Philly, the Patriots to beat Indy by 3, San Diego
>to beat Cleveland by 1, and drumroll please......................

>LA Rams  27
>Dallas   23

>With all of the upsets, I would like to see someone else who could
>have gone 7-7 this week.

>Week 12 picks should hopefully be out tomorrow depending upon how
>late the game goes tonight.


   I know you took some heat and were able to answer that heat with
  some very good calls.  However until you fix this "program" (or
   is it a dart board) please don't post next weeks picks (I'm
  just looking out for your reputation!!)