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From: givler@bermuda (Greg Givler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Good version of 'The planets' by Holst?
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:49:01 GMT
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <BrurrB.M4y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> camg0370@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher A. Morosin) writes:
>
>
>
>Regarding the Planets:
>
>I have a copy of and enjoy very much the Dutoit/Montreal recording, but I 
>also have a recording of Andrew Davis and the Toronto Symmphony that isn't
>very well known but in my opinion outshines the Dutoit recording.
>

I have heard the Dutoit, and I was not impressed. Although the "experts"
say that sonically it is one of the best. 

My problem has been to find a CD version of the Planets that moves 
me, my original recording is Steinberg and the Boston, it is a wonderful
recording on DG. I do not know if it has been re-released. If anyone 
knows if it is available on CD please let me know.

>In addition to the use of the organ (which is shamefully ommited in several 
>recordings) the Davis recording uses a children's choir instead of a women's
>choir in Neptune, which adds a different quality to the work, and i THINK
>may be what is called for in the score, but I'm not sure about that. The 
>xylophone in Uranus also comes out better in the Davis than most of the 
>other recordings as well. (I also liked Dutoit's Jupiter, by the way.)
>

Funny, the Jupiter movement of the Dutoit was the reason I didn't like 
it. Steinberg is one of the few that can get the Celli to have a full
sound but not to overplay. That was my criticism of Ormandy's reading.
All those cellos sawing away, boy that grates on my soul.

>So there's my 02 cents.
>Chris

02 more cents here,

Greg
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From: jcc@cco.caltech.edu (Julian C. Chen)
Subject: Re: Complete Set of LvB Piano Sonatas
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:48:54 GMT

Hello,

For perhaps the classic set of Beethoven piano sonatas, complete, get the
mid-price release of Artur Schnabel. He's the person who made the first
recording of the complete sonatas, and it is still one of the best, if not
the best one. Be prepared for some weirdness, however, as you will notice
some unusual tempos, wrong notes, as well as rather dated sound. However,
for musical purposes, he is unexcelled.
Also, I believe that the Kempff recordings are pretty good, as are Gilel's
recordings of about 2/3 of the complete sonatas.
I'm wondering whether anybody has any opinions on the Yves Nat set or the
Ashkenazy, Barenboim, and Pollini interpretations?

Hope this helps.


Julian Chen
Caltech
From: jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Beethoven 4-hands works (was Re: Beethoven Opus & Woo)
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:35:47 GMT
Reply-To: jjt@spchsys.UUCP (John J. Turley)
Organization: Speech Systems Incorporated, Tarzana, California

In article <l6rc3pINNfdi@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>John Turley recommended one of Beethoven's Opus-less works:
>the theme and variations for piano four hands, WoO 67.
>If that's the set I recall (the one that isn't based on
>a Goethe song setting), I'll add to that recommendation.
>The final variation has some astonishing voicings, even
>by Beethoven's standards, though those passages might fit
>into Petrushka just fine.

To my knowledge, the theme was based on something by Archduke Rudolph.
It was published around 1792, I think.

-John Turley
From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Faure Melodies & Requiem
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:13:13 GMT
Organization: pubs
In-reply-to: korkosz@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu's message of 28 Jul 1992 19:59:47 GMT

Richard Korkosz writes:

   I just picked up the EMI 4CD box set of Faure Melodies with 
   Elly Ameling (sop)...  I am interested in hearing recommendations 
   for recordings of Faures' Requiem. ...

Stick with Ameling.  I believe the version she's on is conducted by
Andrew Davis.  She's just the person for the job.  If you're susceptible
to this music, you may want to listen alone--could get embarassing.
Avoid boy-soprano versions, although I think the version you already
have makes this mistake.  Mortality isn't a subject that children can
illuminate very well, IMHO.

Chris Brewster
From: jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Complete Set of LvB Piano Sonatas
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:20:41 GMT
Reply-To: jjt@spchsys.UUCP (John J. Turley)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Speech Systems Incorporated, Tarzana, California

In article <1992Jul21.162525.13886@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> s2z@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>	I want to buy a complete set of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas on CD.  Can
>anyone give me their opinions on any of the sets that exist?  I'd like one that
>was recorded well and has a good interpretation of the sonatas.  Should I
>instead try to find individual recordings of each?
>
>Thanks,
>Steve

One thing I would recommend you avoid then is the recordings by Artur
Schnabl. These were done in the 1930's, and there are occasional mistakes.
I am also not so keen on the interpretation... Perhaps if they had been
done in the 1980's, they would have recorded with much better equipment
and spliced out the execution errors.

-John Turley
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From: sse@breeze.bellcore.com (Samuel S Epstein)
Subject: Re: Cut Out Classical
Reply-To: sse@breeze.UUCP (Samuel S Epstein)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.214622.21448@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
>What happens to cds that have been deleted from the catalogs? An employee
>of Tower Records told me that when cds are cut out, their unsold copies
>are returned to the distributor. So what happens to these remaining copies.
>In the book world, I know there are mail order companies that sell cut outs
>at low prices (especially hardbacks that are now available in softcover).
>Are there any outfits that do the same for cds? Does anyone get a catalog
>of cd cutouts for sale? There are quite a few discs that I'd like, but that
>have been deleted prematurely and are no longer in the stores, so any insider
>knowledge on this matter would be appreciated.
>
>


Rose Records in Chicago (800-955-ROSE) sells cut-outs.
From: delatizk@bbn.com (Jonathan Delatizky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Cut Out Classical
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:53:58 GMT
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spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:

>What happens to cds that have been deleted from the catalogs?

Many music (I hesitate to use the term "record" anymore!) stores do now have
a section for cutouts - the Boston branch of Tower, for example - and there
are also mail order outlets that also carry them.  Berkshire Music Outlet (I
may have garbled their name), which used to be a major source of cutout LPs,
now has a large CD section in their catalog.  (I don't have their address
handy, so can't include it here.  Perhaps someone else will.)

I've added substantially to my collection this way.  Most of my cutouts were
found at Tower.

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for Requiem music is needed.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:07:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul21.043050.21066@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) 
writes:
>
>For something somewhat different, try Delius' agnostic (or maybe
>pantheistic) Requiem "to the memory of all young artists fallen in the
>war".  Don't listen to it while depressed; it'll finish you off.

I went to the local Tower Records to see if a recording of this was
available.  A 1965 recording was recently released, but Tower didn't have
it in stock.  A review in one of the record magazines in the store noted
that the work had sexual overtones. 

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From: jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Complete Set of LvB Piano Sonatas(wrong notes)
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:47:13 GMT
Reply-To: jjt@spchsys.UUCP (John J. Turley)
Organization: Speech Systems Incorporated, Tarzana, California

In article <1992Jul24.011917.15896@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ttak@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tim Takahashi) writes:
>In article <13075.2a6ef60c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
[lots of stuff deleted]
>
>To the original poster, I offer these words of wisdom. Try to find a
>single disk of Artur Schnabel playing some Beethoven Sonata's. Listen
>and judge for yourself! This man has been considered one of the foremost
>Beethoven interpreters of all time. Do you care for his interpretation?
>
>tim
>
>.

I guess I would qualify as the original poster. In retrospect, I would
have worded the criticism differently-- the recordings were done in the
30's, something Schnabl couldn't very well help. :-)
 
My complaint still stands, however. Mistakes aside, I am not very impressed
by the interpretation. I should have made that clear up front, rather than
mentioning the simple mistakes of execution. I felt particularly let down
by the Hammerklavier. Later, a professor of music at UCLA pointed out that
the Hammerklavier was maybe a little too difficult for Schnabl. It think
it shows.

Might someone out there recommend something Schnabl did that they really
like? I would try to get a recording of it. 

-John


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From: givler@bermuda (Greg Givler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Ein Deutsches Requiem (was Re: Christa Ludwig)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:38:24 GMT
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <SLAGLE.92Jul23143115@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.233451.7241@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton) writes:
>
>> Chris Brewster writes:
>>>Ian Daniel writes:
>>>
>>>>   ...what is Klemperer's Deutsches Requiem like? ...
>>>
>>>I consider Klemperer's version *the* one to get.  
>>>[lots of informed praise deleted]
>
>> I have two recordings which are really fine all-around: the
>> Gardiner/Monteverdi CD on Phillips and the Shaw/Atlanta CD on Telarc.
>> The Gardiner is a smaller sound than you might usually get with this
>> piece, and you can occasionally tell that they're using original
>> instruments, but the singing and interpretation are first-rate.
>> (Listen especially to the attention to text and phrasing in the trio
>> of the 2nd movement -- Wow!).  But as good as the Gardiner is, it's
>> nudged out by the Shaw recording for me.  Both of these recordings
>> have the additional advantage over Klemperer of modern sound.
>


The recording I have is with Reiner on Sony, w/Monserrat Cabelle, is that
her name, and Sherill Milnes. Milnes is very good and so is the soprano, 
The Chorus handles the work very well. In "Alles Flesch ist Grass" the
place just roars. I like it, but then I have never heard any others. Also
then nice thing about it is that it on Sony Classic, the Papillion colection
it has a Butterfly on the front. I think I paid about $10 or $11 buck for 
it. It has its merits.

Sorry, but I can't remember who the orchestra and Chorus are, but I think
that it is worth the listen.


Greg
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From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Faure Melodies & Requiem
Date: 29 Jul 1992 02:28:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

Dover Books recently published a collection of 60 songs by Faure,
including new English translations of all.  The translations were
content translations, rather than singing translations.  The price
is about $15.

Translations of many Faure songs, along with many of the major
classical songs in many languages, are in a book titled
"The Ring of Words".  I forget the editor's name.

--James Langdell     jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems   Mountain View, Calif.

Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: acid+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Colby)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for Requiem music is needed.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:09:54 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul21.011732.29960@lclark.edu> larryw@lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl) writes:
>The Berlioz Requiem is quite nifty, although I do not know of any specific
>recorgings. 

Yes, talk about an earth-shattering Dies Irae!  Also, there is a quartet
section that is quite lovely.  I haven't listened to it in a while.  The
only recording I've heard in entirety (and own) is the Shaw on Telarc.  It
seems okay, but nothing special.  Maybe the Davis is good.  (?)

-chris
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: taha@sanantonio.cs.tcu.edu (Iraqi_Godfather)
Subject: Re: Is it Ludwig van, Van, von or Von Beethoven?
Organization: Texas Christian University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:09:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.165205.21506@news.nd.edu> jwalpe@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (Court Walpe) writes:
>I call on the wisdom of the rec.music.classical group to answer this deep burning question for me:  Is it Ludwig van, Van, von, or Von Beethoven?  I've asked numerous people and gotten all four of the above responses.  Please help set my mind at ease!  Post is OK, but I'd prefer e-mail.  Thanks a lot!

Hello:

As a collector of Beethoven's works, I can confidently tell
you that it is "van" ==> "fun" in German !

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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: Is it Ludwig van, Van, von or Von Beethoven?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:34:22 GMT

In article <6896@charon.cwi.nl> vanloon@cwi.nl (M. van Loon) writes:

>After just pointing out that his name is Van Beethoven, you omit "Van".

No, what was said that his full name is Ludwig van Beethoven.  When
referring to him by surname alone, one does indeed omit the "van."
There's no "rule" about including or omitting the particle, it's
whatever custom and the person's personal preference dictate.

>Another remark: if the name Van Beethoven is used - without Ludwig, you
>should write 'Van' with a capital. This is a spelling rule in Dutch as
>well as in German.

And, more pertinently, in English too.  However, in this case, if the 
"Ludwig" is left out, the "van" is too, so the capitalization rule 
doesn't arise.

Frederica von Stade -> Von Stade
Jose van Dam -> Van Dam
Herbert von Karajan -> Karajan
Ludwig van Beethoven -> Beethoven

Jon Alan Conrad
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Subject: Janacek 4tets
Originator: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:23:48 GMT

Okay, so the recommendations are Borodin 4tet on EMI for Borodin's quartets
and Smetana 4tet on Denon for Smetana's quartets.

Now, I'd like a recommendation for Janacek's two quartets (will it be the
Janacek quartet?). Specifically, I'd like an opinion on the Hagen Quartet
versions on DG, coupled with Wolf's Itilian Serenade. Any opinions?
From: kam@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Kam-Yuen Kwong)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Flute problem
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:47:26 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona - Physics



       



  I wonder if the sound of a period flute may blend better than a 
modern one does in a wind ensemble (wind quintet etc.). Haydn, Mozart 
and Beethoven seldom (if any) use flute in their music for wind 
ensemble, so I can't find an example for comparison. While Quantz, 
Danzi or Reicha do have flute in their wind quintets, but the music 
sound tiresome, at least to my ears, when played on modern instruments. 
Especially, the sound of flute pokes into my ears just like a spear.  
Will these works be sound smoother if people use period instruments? Is 
there such performance on record, I mean CD. Any suggestion or comment?


  kam@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (c/o Hsiu-Ming Chang)
From: givler@bermuda (Greg Givler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Beethoven's violin concerto
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:48:05 GMT
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <22930@oasys.dt.navy.mil> lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung) writes:
>givler@bermuda (Greg Givler)
>in Message-ID: <33773@cbmvax.commodore.com> writes:
>>>3. Can you recommend any good CD recordings of this concerto?  I like
>>>   the one I have on cassette but I want to see if I can find a better
>>>   one.  I realize that different people have different idea of a
>>>   "good" recording but I'd like to get your opinion on your favorite
>>>   and what you like about it.
>>
>>Personally I like Perlman, I know he has recorded it, but I don't know
>>with whom.
>I believe it is Guilini and whatever orchestra he conducts on the
>EMI label.
>
>>Presently I do not own a copy of this concerto, but it is 
>>on my list of things to buy.
>Bummer.  I've got one.  What are you waiting for?

Well, the disc that I saw had just the concerto. CD's hold over 
60 minutes of music and I don't like paying $17.00 for 40. I am 
funny that way. I will probably buy it next month, when I can 
afford to spend some money on CD's

>
>Yes.  I agree.  This is an excellent recording.  It is highly rated
>in the Stevenson and another CD guide.
>
>Terence

Greg

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From: wilkins@cs.cofc.edu (James B. Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Wagner's Ring: audio/video recordings
Followup-To: rec.music.classical
Organization: The College of Charleston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:21:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.154659.23847@beach.csulb.edu>, mheim@beach.csulb.edu
(Michael Heim) wrote:
> 
> In article <35961@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mu299af@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (G. Y.) writes:
> >I have read many very interesting postings about ring on the net.  I
> >wonder beside Solti, Bohm, Furtwangler's audio recordings which I
> >have collected, any other recommandations?  I also have Boulez video
> >recording of Ring and seen some part of Levine's, any comments and
> >suggestions between these two?  How about any other Video recordings
> >of Ring?
> >
> >Gary
> >
> 
> I very much like Haitink's Ring after having listened to those you
> mentioned.  What I like most about his version is the clarity with
> which you can hear the notes.  You can always hear new things because
> the lush sound never overwhelms or gets muddy.  
> 
> Mike Heim
There was a reissue a few years ago of a performance led by Clemens Krauss.
It got some rave reviews and seems to have disappeared.  Does anybody know
what happened to it?

Jimmy Wilkinson
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Violinist in Joan Crawford movie?
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:34:15 GMT
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Jul30.194704.3438@leland.Stanford.EDU> velde@gopher.Stanford.EDU (Francois Velde) writes:
>>>anyone know who the violinist was on the movie's (primitive) sound track?

>>The violinist was Isaac Stern.

>The actor playing the violinist was John Garfield. 

Right.  The Actor was John Garfield.  The *violinist* was Isaac stern.

> I don't know, however, whether the said violinist was also Isaac Stern.

I do.  It was Isaac Stern.


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From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: HELP: Colleges in Indiana!
Summary: But others say...
Date: 20 Jul 92 20:23:24 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

In article <1992Jul20.145607.23347@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
smitra@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Samindranath Mitra) writes:

>Hello Jennifer. Surely you are talking of THE famed Indiana 
>University at Bloomington. And while you check it out, keep in
>mind that Janos Starker is one of the many stellar people in
>the music department here. If you are in the market for a
>music school, you can't overlook this place!
>
>					Sami Mitra

Yes, Indiana U. is a stellar music school, with a stellar faculty.  You
should definitely _CONSIDER_ it.

And yet...

It happens that my niece is at the college-choosing stage, and Indiana
is one of the places high on her list.  She is currently at UCSB for a
six-week summer vocal institute, and I recently had the opportunity to
participate, together with her parents and two institute faculty
members, in a conversation about her choice of a college.

The two faculty members are married to each other; they met when they
were undergrads at I.U.  The gist of their advice was:  if you are
planning a musical life/career, be very careful about going to I.U. _as
an undergraduate_.  The reason: the focus on I.U. is on the graduate
school.  Most of the stellar faculty spends most of their time with
grad students.  The undergraduate has to be lucky to get in on some of
the best teaching, etc.

If this is of concern to you, the advice of these two veteran musicians
is to consider a smaller school -- a college rather than a university.
Oberlin was mentioned favorably as a good example.  Note that they are
_NOT_ recommending the conservatory route, as they feel that a rounded
liberal arts education is essential to success in _MOST_ musical
careers and lives.

By the way, they point out that MOST music majors will never reach
those rarefied levels where they can live entirely on their performing
careers.  They spoke glowingly -- and it makes sense to me -- of the
joys of a career which combines some performing and some teaching.  The
best of both worlds.  And if you are one of the fortunate few who are
fated to reach the level of a Fredericka VonStade or a Van Cliburn --
well, congratulations.  This kind of an educational path won't hold you
back.

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