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From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Need Advice/Comments(Long)
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:08:16 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

In article <9209281947.AA20727@outmail.microsoft.com> janko@microsoft.com (Jan-Paul Koren) writes:
[About a game with a bad referee and some dubious decisions]
>
>Please send me your thoughts and suggestions as far as the way I acted 
>etc....  I will explain more if you would like me to.

I read the post with some interest, everybody has stories of bad
referees as there are a lot of bad, and good, ones about. Let me just
tell you about my funniest refereeing experience:

My team were on a tour of the Isle Of Man (More of a barney really) it
was a student sports festival in April this year, I'm sure there are
some other people out there who attended. We had a final 11-a-side
game on Sunday morning at 10.30. We had been there since Friday and
had played five games on Saturday, One 11-a-side and 4 7-a-side. It
was a bit of a crazy weekend and we were feeling a little worse for
wear on Sunday.
There were two games on the same set of pitches and the referee of the
other game said "I don't know where they found the other ref' from but
he's a bit strange".
He kicked off the game and was VERY efficient. He would march up to
the place where an offence took place and stand like a statue until
the kick or throw was taken.
- The offside rule was a bit of mystery to the guy and no matter where
the ball was or where the players were all you had to do was shout
"OFFSIDE" and you were guarenteed a free kick, much to amusement of all
concerned.
- At one point a defender was left on his own penalty area
with three attackers heading towards him with the ball, still about
ten yards away. He shouted the magic word and sure enough he got a
free kick.
- We had a free kick and their wall wouldn't go back ten yards, so
he's saying to the wall "Back ten yards", one of our players was
standing in the wall as well and the Ref tried to make him go back ten
yards as too "But I'm on their team", "I don't care, back ten yards".
-  Some of the diving was excellent. A short run into the penalty area
followed by a huge leap into the air and about ten yards of rolling
more or less guarenteed you a free kick or penalty. The defenders
couldn't do anything for laughing anyway at the pitiful attempts at
dives. The ref tended to give indirect free kicks inside the area if
he didn't think the dive was good enough!
- The opposition's offside trap was the best. One of their defenders
liked to hide behind the Goalie as last man, then jump out if they
were awarded offside (nearly always) or go for the ball if not.
- The final score was 5-5 with a spectacular 30-yard own goal from the
opposition (can be ungentlemanly conduct). We didn't see the defender
after that he went on a lap of honour and didn't come back. 
- The game ended up with 13 players against 10 as our two subs got
bored with watching and sneaked on when the ref' wasn't looking.

Yours 
Colin "who's the gentleman with dubious parents in the green" Shield
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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Russia round 10
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:20:25 GMT

Round 10
Spartak M            4-3 Dinamo
Lok NN               1-1 CSKA
Rostselmash          0-1 Lok M
Asmaral              3-3 Spartak Vl

Table
 1.Spartak Moskva              10 20- 8  16
 2.Spartak Vladikavkaz         10 19-14  11
 3.Dynamo Moskva               10 18-14  11
 4.Lokomotiv Moskva            10  8- 6  11
 5.CSKA Moskva                 10 18-13  10
 6.Lokomotiv Nizhny Novgorod   10  5-11   8
 7.Asmaral Moskva              10 10-24   7
 8.Rostselmash Rostov-na-Donu  10  3-11   6
-- 
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 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Erratum (Re: Polska liga, round 10)
Summary: A scandalous mispelling corrected
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:59:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.123720.16305@fuw.edu.pl> I wrote:

>Round 10 of Polish league (played on 3rd/4th October)
>(--------------------- a lot of stuff deleted ------------------------)
>
>8) ZAWISZA BYDGOSZCZ  -  L~KS L~ODZ  1:3
>   Smirnov        '10 (pk)    Wiezsczycki    '55

                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
As everybody knows, the correct spelling is Wieszczycki.  Sorry for
that scandalous mispelling.  ;-)

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From: martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen)
Subject: Re: Spurs - best team in Europe - Official! (was Re: Big twelve in Europe)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:26:35 GMT
	<1992Oct1.121941.23220@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
Organization: TH Darmstadt

In article <1992Oct1.121941.23220@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen) writes:

   In <1992Sep29.164216.10566@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker) writes:

   >In the newest Kicker-mag they printed a table of the all-time greatest
   >teams in the European cups. It sorted the teams only for the points
   >they achieved totally. I added a coeffecient (points div games) and
   >a position for that and the conclusion is:

	< stuff deleted >

   According to the results printed in the book on Spurs in Europe, we
   have 59 wins, 17 draws, and 19 losses in EC1,2,3 since 1961 (the first
   year Spurs entered European competitions). With 2 points for a win and
   1 for a draw that gives us 135 points from 95 matches, a coefficient of
   1.421 which is better than all those in your list (unless recent results
   have pushed, say, Liverpool past us).

   I may, however, have cheated. One of the "wins" recorded above was the
   second leg of the 83-84 UEFA Cup Final, which ended 1-1 and was
   followed by penalties won by Spurs. Does this count as a win or is it a
   draw? If the latter then Spurs' coefficient drops to 1.411, still
   comfortably better than all those on the list.

Usually this is counted as a win with the score of 1-1. I'm not sure whether
2 or 1 point is awarded. 

   So, who can better this? Are Spurs the top club in European
   competition?

Look at Hapoel Tikva from Israel: 4 games, 6 points. Coefficient 1.5 - and it
will stand as they have been eliminated. :-)

Martin.
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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Euro Cups on US Satellites?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:18:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Do any of you know which matches will be shown tomorrow (Wednesday) and/or
Thursday on satellite transmission that reaches the US? I know that
RAI is doing a match, but is anyone else? Also, I am not near a cable
system that gets RAI, but will have access to a restaurant with a
dish, do any of you know what the precise satellite and transponder
for matches tomorrow?

Also, when does Western Europe go from "Summer Time" to "normal" time? Is
it this past weekend, or next weekend?

Many thanks, Chris

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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Jan(n?) Jensen (was: Heinrik (?) Andersen)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:47:23 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <MARTIN.92Sep29164325@kilo.inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.142757.15915@spider.co.uk> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>
>>   >He played at least the last 3 games for Cologne, which were
>>   >vs Glasgow  2:0 (He scored and proved that he can organize the defence even
>>       ^^^^^^^
>
>>   Was that a Rangers, Celtic, Clyde, Queens Park and Partick Thistle select?
>
>>   There is no such team called Glasgow Rangers or Glasgow Celtic.
>
>So Cologne has been playing against ghost - at least that's a reasonable explanation
>why they have won :-)
>
>Seriously - what names would you suggest for the Glasgow teams ? Celtic or
>Rangers alone is too ambiguous.

They are the original use of the names `Rangers' and `Celtic' and as such
those are the names of the clubs. How can they be ambiguous when these names
are known throughout the world.

Rangers are currently officially known as:

The Rangers Football Club Plc

As far as I know, Celtic are known as:

The Celtic Football and Athletic Club

-- 
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 Spider Systems Limited     abuse  031-554-9424
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From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Championship of Rio de Janeiro - BR
Date: 5 Oct 1992 13:00:11 -0500
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Championship of state of Rio de Janeiro , Brazil

                     Taca Guanabara
                     """"""""""""""
Oct. 4th
--------
 America-RJ     1-2  Bangu
 Serginho 2(2)       Gilson 16(1)
                     Piao 36(2)

 Americano      3-0  Madureira
 Luizinho
 Luizinho
 Berg

 Itaperuna      1-0  Campo Grande

 Volta Redonda  2-2  Fluminense
 Dao (1)             Cosme 23(2)
 Fernando 44(2)      Cosme 40(2)

 Flamengo       1-1  Vasco da Gama
 Rogerio 10(2)       Carlos Alberto Dias 30(2)

 Place - Sao Januario
 Att.  - 11,722

 Flamengo - Gilmar;Junior Baiano,Claudio,Wilson Gotardo(Luis Antonio),
            Rogerio and Pia; Fabinho,Junior and Zinho;
            Gaucho and Paulo Nunes.

 Vasco da Gama - Carlos Germano; Luis Carlos Winck,Jorge Luis,Tinho
                 and Cassio; Luizinho,Leandro(Carlos Alberto Dias),
                 Bismarck and William(Valdir);
                 Edmundo and Roberto Dinamite.

 OBs: With this game, the Vasco da Gama became the Champion
      of Taca Guanabara.

 Next Game :
 (Last Game)
Today      America-TR    -  Botafogo

Team             G   W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Vasco da Gama   11   7   4   0    17-02     18
Flamengo        11   7   2   2    26-11     16
Bangu           11   6   4   1    14-07     16
Fluminense      11   5   4   2    21-11     14
Madureira       11   5   4   2    09-11     14
Botafogo        10   5   3   2    12-08     13
Volta Redonda   11   2   5   4    07-12      9
America-TR      10   2   4   4    10-14      8
Americano       11   3   1   7    12-17      7
Itaperuna       11   1   3   7    08-20      5
Campo Grande    11   2   1   8    06-21      5
America-RJ      11   1   3   7    09-17      5
From: mollems@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:15:59 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

 
> Discussion on the net has focused on calling the TV giants.  We may want to
> consider starting at the local level and simply get the scores posted.  I
> have to buy the NY Times if I really want any coverage.

I second that motion.  It would take a miracle for the Atlanta
Constitution to supersede the Little League baseball section and the
oh-so-important results of the local church scratch bowling league for
something so trivial as how the US does in international play, and
local coverage is nonexistent.  Even during the finals of the high
school play the papers have articles about the other sports -- even
when they're not in season!  I daresay the US could win the Cup and
the papers might have a sideline on page 4 noting that "something
happened in soccer last night... we're not sure what, but we think it
might be big.  Word is that it even involves the USA..."

Until people are exposed to coverage of the game, they won't become
interested.  It's as simple as that.  Of course, the sport is
handicapped in the States anyway, since most Americans' idea of high
scoring is NOT 3-2.  Most people have a very hard time understanding
my exuberance over a 2-0 win...

> -Eric
> ewstroup@cc.utah.edu

-- M. Sean Molley, Western Kentucky University
From: guttorp@carson.u.washington.edu (Peter Guttorp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Swedish results???
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:04:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Could someone PLEASE post the Swedish top division results. THey are
impossible to get over here...
Tack,
Peter Guttorp
From: ulick@rodin.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool lose at home: Sept 26
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:44:12 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <199209270328.AA29077@rata.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:
>FA Premier League
>
>Liverpool 2 Wimbledon 3
>
>Liverpool fail at home again. How much longer can Souness continue to draw
>his wages. According to the BBC World Service, Liverpool's defence was
>shaky again. Any bets on Souness getting a vote of confidence from his
>Chairman this week (and we all know what that means)?

But the question is, for how much longer is Liverpool contractually obliged
to pay his wages?  If he is sacked now, it may have to pay two managers for
quite a while. 


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From: ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl)
Subject: Re: My darling Liverpool..
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:51:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.001500.11079@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>Based on the performance of My darling Reds so far, I think it's time Mr
>Souness is out of a job... He obviously lacks the managerial talent of
>the great Kenny Dalglish. What do others think?
>
>Femi.
>

Based on their performance, it would be a disaster if they were to drop
to a lower Div. they used to be such a powerhouse in the 80s...it's kinda 
obvious that the managerial position might be changed when/if that happens.

I'm not a great fan, not even a fan actually, but definitely know how
good they used to be. now, the morale in liverpool must be mighty low (?)

-hank
ongh.iastate.edu
 

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From: motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta)
Subject: BrazilxCosta Rica
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:36:13 GMT

Brazil 4   Costa Rica 2
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Some Points About Celtic v Cologne
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:08:28 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND

So Celtic pulled back a 2-0 first leg deficit by winning 3-0 at the piggery.
However, before the 'tic fans get too carried away there are a few points
that arose from last nights game.

1) The second goal was extremely lucky. Collin's shot was threatening a ball
boy until Creany stuck out his foot. However, after the game Liam Brady was
slavering on about how you wouldn't see a better goal that one from John
Collins??? Is he really as thick as he appears and sounds, or is there no
communication in the dressing room. Anyway, Jock Broon corrected him.

2) The third goal came from a foul throw by Boyd. He was on the move and had
one foot off the ground. 'nuff said.

3) The Cologne goal two minutes from time should have stood. It was a glaring
miss in the first place by the player but then three things happened.

a) McNally passed the ball back to Marshall - should have been a free kick on
the line

b) Marshall had the ball on the ground and had one hand on top of it
therefore it was still in play and the attacker was entitled to got for it.
He did, bundled it into the net and it was disallowed???

c) After bundling the ball over the line, Marshall had a kick at the guy -
should have been sent off (not for the first time this season!).

4) The crowd was 35,000, 14,000 up on Saturday's home defeat by Partick
Thistle. On the radio it sounded like they were singing:

"We're part time supporters, unfaithful thruugh and through, over and over,
 we will watch TV"

Apart from that, at least Scotland has three clubs still in the European
competitions after the first round. Will Gerry re-appear?

-- 
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 Edinburry                               FOUR IN A ROW
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From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool team / Paul Warhurst
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:34:23 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <1a6h8oINNnes@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cg135@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dr. Daevid Carron) writes:

>2nd question. What exactly happened to Paul Warhurst. I have only
>heard some news about him resuming training, and that he had bad
>accident, but of what sort?

He swallowed his tongue in a game a couple of weeks ago, and was unconscious
for at least 20 minutes.  Apparently he was very lucky to still be alive,
but has now made a good recovery and is back in training.

Tim
From: amudn@warwick.ac.uk (Paul Stowe)
Subject: European games
Summary: United and Leeds just miss out. 
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:44:43 GMT

Since I haven't seen any of the results posted, I thought that I had better 
quickly post something about the European adventures of Manchester United and
Leeds United over the last couple of days.

Tuesday September 29th - TORPEDO MOSCOW 0  MANCHESTER UNITED 0
				(TORPEDO WIN 4-3 ON PENALTIES.)

Yes, United crash out on penalties and can only have themselves to blame. Mark
Hughes was sent off for needlessly arguing with the ref. and that left United 
playing extra-time with only 10 men. 
The penalties were bizarre. Torpedo had their first two saved, to leave United
2-0 up, but then the fortunes turned around and after each side had taken their
allowed five penalties, the score was 3-3. Torpedo scored and then Pallister 
missed his to put United out.
If Hughes had not been stupidly sent-off, he would have taken a penalty and 
things might have been very different.

Wednesday September 30th - LEEDS UNITED 4  STUTTGART 1  (4-4 ON AGG)
				Stuttgart win on away goals.

This was quite simply the best European performance by a losing team that you
will ever see. 3-0 down from the away leg, Leeds bombarded the Stuttgart goal
and produced their first score after only 10 minutes to set the tie up nicely.

However, soon after, they suffered their only lapse in the whole game and 
Stuttgart scored what turned out to be a critical away goal. 

A penalty before half-time gave Leeds the lead again and the second half was
even more furious. Chapman scored the fourth with exactly 10 minutes left to 
play and it looked like Leeds were going to do it. But Stuttgart held firm
and scraped through after a truly momentous tie.

==============================================================================
Also, Liverpool beat Apollon Limasol 2-1 in the Cup Winners Cup and go through
8-2 on aggregate. No embarrasment there!

Sheffield Wednesday play tonight, but they have an 8-1 lead from the first leg.
They should just about scrape through!!

===============================================================================
Sorry about the lack of scorers etc. in the above reports, but I have forgotten
my file and my memory is pretty hopeless in the sun  today.

See you soon,

Paul Stowe.

Sometime soon, I will think of a signature - maybe.

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From: csi095@cch.coventry.ac.uk (DIBBLE)
Subject: Re: MAN UTD RULES
Organization: abUSENET, Coventry University, Coventry, UK
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.021612.26025@newshost.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
>In article <Qelu0y_00Uh7A8WHxh@andrew.cmu.edu> am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
>>Dear fellow soccer followers,
>>
>>    I have to say that Manchester United is the best team in the
>>European Continent.  They were robbed by Leeds Utd last season.  Bryan
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Did they use guns?  :-) I should think not since Man Utd probably have
>much more money than Leeds...    
>
I think that we have a Man Utd fan here who has a wee bit of a complex. 
If your star players will go out on the piss in Blackpool before the game
that could have clinched the title for you I have no simpathy. Anyway,
any team that has Steve "I'm a bigger Donkey than Adams" Bruce in the side
as captain desirves to win nothing.

>>Robson is still going to be a main force on Manchester United, you all
>>just watch him on 9/29 when they play Torpedo.
>>
>>                                                Andy
Well Andy.....as you may now know Man Utd did not win, B. Robson did not
play and Man Utd are very very bigheaded like their fans. I should know what
I'm talking about....you don't here me harping on about Steve McMahon now do
you eh!

	A diserning Man City Fan In dispair


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From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: BIG, ENORMOUS, MUST BE WRITTEN IN CAPITAL LETTERS
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:25:00 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

In article <1992Oct1.183354.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> caar18@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>I.T.Marsh@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (I.T.Marsh) writes
>>Here is an interesting question for you:
>
>>What makes a club big?
>
>   [Lots of talk about how to measure clube so that theirs
>     is the biggest deleted]

How about measuring it by the number of players with a surname that
begins with 'W'. I'll think you'll you'll find it's Sheffield Wed.
(somebody count) Waddle, Williams, Woods........

Seriously, surely the biggest crowd is again, just the club with the
most money. Try home crowds as a percentage of capacity. That should do the
trick. Oh, hang on, that would be NEWCASTLE, wouldn't it!! Well I never.

Colin Shield