From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Issues of control
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 23 Dec 92  15:54:22

Who1: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
ID: <ednclark.725007794@kraken>
With: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham)
And: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
 
Note: I hope I have attributed the following quotes correctly.
 
DR>>> The abortion issue really boils down to a question of CONTROL
DR>>> and DOMINATION by rich, powerful white males, of women, to
DR>>> continue
 
DH>> The polls tend to indicate that 'rich, white males' support
DH>> abortion rights much more so than the general population.
DH>> If you want to generate a conspiracy theory, perhaps you
DH>> should target some other group.
 
DG> I think he might be talking about *really rich* white males, who,
DG> since they don't consist of a large percentage of the population,
DG> and since they aren't likely to be forthright anyway, aren't likely
DG> to cause much of blip on your survey. However, since they own the
DG> instruments of propaganda, they have the ability to make great masses
DG> of other people, especially poorly educated and religious people,
DG> hold the "correct" opinions.
 
JC> "I think he is probably referring to the vote chasers, who happen
JC> to be very rich white males. They read surveys like the one above
JC> and consider how many votes they will get if they publically assert
JC> an opinion for or against abortion. The fact that abortion is such
JC> an emotive issue there would be many one issue voters for an anti-
JC> abortion stance, whereas a vote-chaser may feel that pro-abortionist
JC> may be less likely to be one issue voters, and therefore a pro-
JC> abortion stance may be more profitable poll-wise. Jeff."
 
Well, instead of speculating, let's ask him [me]! (Smile!)
 
The posted Gallup Poll tells us that when presented with the question
of whether abortion is "right" in all cases, special cases, or no
cases, white rich males were most supportive of abortion, and non-
white poor females were least supportive.
 
Why do many non-whites, and specifically women, consider abortion to
be "wrong" much more so than other groups, as a whole? My claim (which
is totally unsupported by myself, but NOT unsupportable) is that there
are forces which make these anti-abortion groups of people BELIEVE that
it is "wrong," to keep said groups oppressed and poor.
 
I could very well be wrong in this belief.
 
Look to see who benefits by the anti-abortion stance. Unwanted
children keeps the poor in poverty, and boosts the cheep unskilled
labor force--- I can walk down the street here in Irvine California,
to the corner of Jamboree and Lake Forest, and hire the Mexicans who
wait there to do ANY kind of menial, back-breaking job by the day,
for less than minimum wage, and they'll be damn glad to get the
money!
 
I went into an LA ghetto to defend the only health care clinic
they have down there, as it was being attacked by the Christian
hate group called The Vineyard (the same church where the pastors
were later convicted of massive child molestation, beatings, and
other abuses). All I saw of the anti-abortion leaders is rich,
well-fed, white males, telling poor black and Mexican women and
children (dressed in rags) that having children brings them
closer to God, and abortion is "the devil's work." While there
are Mexican-American women and African-American women who are
anti-abortion and "leaders" in the anti-abortion cults, they let
the white men do all the leading.
 
[As an aside, the clinic offered not only family planning services,
but also trama services for gun-shot wounds, mental health out-
patience, and many other services--- things the Christian hate
groups claim they support, but their rich white male leaders try
so hard to shut down.]
 
The extremist religious right seem to love fetuses, but hate people.
Fetuses are innocent, but once they are born, into the slums, on
welfare, well, then they are hated. Ever hear the phrase "The last
time someone ever cared whether I lived or died was when I was a
fetus"?

--- Maximus 2.01wb
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