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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: Homemade Black and Tans
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:07:13 GMT

mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU (purna) writes:

>>How can I go about making Black and Tans at home... with bottled brews of course.
>>I've tried a couple of times to no avail, and REALLY would like to do this.
>>
>take one chilled mug.  fill it half full with Bass or Harp (other choices
>are also possible; so please, no flames).  fill the rest of the mug very
>*SLOWLY* with Guinness.  if done properly, it should look double layered.
>drink with pleasure :)

Minor modifications for drinking, not impressing others: 8')

Take one chilled opaque mug (mine is from Brains). Fill it half-full with
any brew you like. Fill the rest of the mug at any speed you like with any
other brew you like. If done properly, you still shouldn't be able to see
through the mug. 

Drink and savor.

-- Larry
From: gwc@stiatl.salestech.com (Geoff Corey)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Opinions on Pete's
Keywords: pete pete's
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:45:35 GMT
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.

I've had Pete's Wicked Ale and enjoy it very much!  Ol'Pete is
a good example of how to take a slice of the American Beer
market from the water down boys at AB & Miller :-)

     
Geoff Corey
Internet: gwc@salestech.com
Cserve  : 71241,427
From: gsw@thebrewery.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Winters)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
Date: 3 Sep 1992 15:40:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gsw@thebrewery.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thebrewery.ebay.sun.com

In article 6wA@news.cso.uiuc.edu, parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>DLM155@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>I have been looking for a distributer who sells Belhaven but can't find one..
>>Can anyone suggest a relatively common, similar alternative?
>
> <Stuff about Grant's editied for my mailer...>

>	The bottom line, though, is that if you want to try really good
>Scottish beer you have to go to Scotland and get it out of the tap.  It just
>doesn't bottle worth a darn.  IMHO, of course.  If you ever do get the
>chance to go to Scotland, Caldonia 70' is my personal favourite.
>
>	Slainj
>		-m.
>


Personally I like MacAndrews Scotch Ale. Loaded with taste. A bit pricy though.
Man's best friend on the label - Scottish terrier -;)

Caldonia was nice, but a properly poured belhaven has it's merits as well and
a "Auld Reekie 90" from the Rose Street Brewery in Edinburgh (on a good batch)
is just about as close to heaven as a Guiness in Dublin...


Wishing I was back pub crawling the streets of Edinburgh...

Greg
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Girafs in Denmark
From: imf@datamark.co.nz (Ian Franklin)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 00:58:31 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Aug31.175253.3696@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.154220.27330@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug29.235052.1@master.uchicago.edu>
>>david@master.uchicago.edu (Master of Disaster) writes:
>>
>>>P.S.  Are the any giraffes in Denmark ?
>>
>>Only in the Copenhagen zoo... (-: because there really isn't any zoo
>>in Copenhagen).  But then, I don't think they have elephants in
>>Belgium either.  Isn't that where Elephant Lager comes from?
>>
>
>
>       Nope.  It's from Denmark, too.  I can't remember off hand whether its
>Carlsberg or Tuborg that brews it though.  Doesn't really matter, I suppose,
>since the two have an agreement wherein they each brew both companies' beers.
>
>       --  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>

Giraf is named after the long neck bottle that it comes in. Elephant
is by Carlsberg. I do not know for sure but the brewery has an old
arch that is supported by statues of four elephants. This could be
where it gets it name but I am not sure if the beer was around before
the statues.
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From: emeeks@unity.ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Red Seal ale? (was Re: CA beers)
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:55:02 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University


I was in a local (Raleigh, NC) pub this past Friday and sampled a "Red
Seal Ale" brewed in Ft. Bragg, CA (Note for readers in NC: I ain't talking
'bout the Army base). I think the brewery was North Coast Brewers.

A couple of non-taste related observations:

	--I've never seen this in any other place in my area, although I
vaguely recall hearing about it on the net.

	--The pub did not have this item on their menu, although I
learned they have stocked it for some time. They also stock a stout by the
same brewery.

As far as the beer itself went, well, I'll have to fudge since
at the time I had just split a pitcher of (Bud? Natural? does it
matter?) with a few friends. The Red Seal Ale did seem incredibly bitter,
with little malt flavor for balance. As I said already, my taste buds
may have been overwhelmed after switching to a beer with more flavor
than budswilloors. 

So I guess I'll have to solicit you netters that are familiar with this
brewery for comments on Red Seal Ale. Is this intended to be highly
bittered, has the flavor degraded from old age (likely, I think: how can
you sell a beer without letting the clientele know you have it?), or
should I just lay off the industrial brews before taste-testing (one
forgone conclusion, actually :).

According to the label they brewed this ale in the
Reinheitsgebot (sp?) tradition, but I'm really curious as to the amount of
bittering hops they used (and what kind). Any $.02 you can share will be
appreciated.

--Ed
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: "Light" [Re: Amount of Alcohol in U.S. beer?]
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:27:31 GMT

In article <01050166.bp0pbk@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us> joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.034906.3933@rosedale.uucp> (alt.beer), dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes:
>) It flies in the face of known light beer manufacturing technique:
>) 1) Brew regular American Pale Export Full Of Adjuncts.
>) 2) "Blend with additional water from the original source"
>) 3) "Enhance the effervescence"
>)     (re-carbonate it like pop)
>
>This is really a gross oversimplification.  Sure, you may be cynical
>about the mass market brewers, but personally I think it is better to
>admire (and learn from) their brewing skills and just not drink their beer.
>
Actually, I got this information from the Olympia Brewing Company back
in about 1977 when Oly Gold was one of the first Light Beers to come
out.  I believe it followed close on the heels of Pabst Light (remember,
in the gold and blue cans) which was second only to Miller Lite.
My response was something on the order of "This is crazy - you really
expect people to buy this?"  Her answer? "Well, the marketing people
are in charge of this project."

Deletions...

>) The inventor of light beer was the biggest con artist of our generation.
>
>No, I think this "con artist" was just following in the footsteps
>of the people who created "Light Cream Cheese" and "I Can't Believe
>It's Butter" and ice milk, diet salad dressing and any number of other 
>inferior-tasting products that are supposedly better for your waistline.

Marketing.  See above :-)

>Personally, I'd rather eat a smidgen of puff pastry from time to time
>than a steady diet of Diet Twinkies or something similar.  Likewise
>I'd rather have one or two homebrews than four Bud Lights.  But obviously
>I'm weird.

No weirder than me.

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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Pete's
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:37:12 GMT

From article <BtnA73.1I@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons):
> marko@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Nolte) writes:
> 
>>Any information or opinions would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 	I've always been fond of Pete's Wicked.  I like it's curious little
> bite.  What I find strange, though, is that the stuff we get here in the
> East is brewed in Palo Alto (or somewhere in CA) under liscence.  Do they
> actually still brew it in Wisconsin?  Or is it like Sam Adams used to
> be--brewed everywhere but Boston, but headquartered in Boston.  It sure
> seems that Pete's is becoming more of a mini like Sam Adams as opposed to a
> true micro (that's not a criticism).
> 
> 	Cheers!
> 		-m.
> 
Pete's Wicked Ale is contract brewed at the August Schell brewery in New Ulm,
Minnesota.  Try some of August Schell's premium beers if you can find
them - they are quite good.


-- 
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smanastasi@mmm.com
St. Paul, Minnesota
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From: rwieler@ee.umanitoba.ca (wieler)
Subject: North Dakota micros
Reply-To: rwieler@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:07:57 GMT

Going to the great metropolitis of Fargo Tonight!!

Does anyone know of any good (or any at all) micro beers available there?

Please respond quickly 

Thanx 
Rich



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From: carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth)
Subject: Dortmunder Union infor
Organization: internet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:22:55 GMT

I tried one last week and enjoyed it.  Does anybody have any information
about it?
Keywords: 


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From: jsikking@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: <None>
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:26:41 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

		The strength of US beer is 3.2%, all beer imported and 
brewed in the US must be 3.2%.  If it is not 3.2% it is considered 
something else (e.i. Malt liquor 5.2%, etc.).  The reason for this is 
that at the end of Prohibition the Constitutional Admendment that 
repealed it stated that beer of 3.2% could be brewed in the boarders 
of the US.  We can all thank FDR for this and many other bills he 
passed.  Before I get conterdicted you can have beer that is less then 
3.2%, but the most powerful beer can only be 3.2%.  If you have a beer 
that is stronger then 3.2%, such as Uerbock (sp) 23, it may only be 
served by a placed licened to serve hard alcohol.

-John
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Subject: Re: 33 -- what does it mean ?!? (Beufort)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:05:38 GMT

dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.215232.1@master.uchicago.edu> david@master.uchicago.edu w
>rites:
>>Has anyone heard the Rolling Rock commercials asking what the 33 on the
>>back of the bottle means ?  They are playing here in chicago at least.  Could
>>it be a generic brewing reference and not related directly to RR ?
>>
>>                        -David

>I have heard a couple explanations regarding the "33:"  1. 1933 was the year 
>Prohibition ended in the U.S.  2.  Rolling Rock is aged at 33 degrees  3.  
>There are exactly 33 words on the back of the Rolling Rock bottle (trust me, 
>but you can count them for yourself).  I lean toward no. 1.

4.  33 streams feed the river where the get their water.  5.  It was the
33rd recipe they tried that they stuck with.  6. The brewery is on route 33.

The list goes on....
Take your pick.  RR is not telling :-)

	-m.

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From: me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel)
Subject: Re: EKU and Spaten
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:46:02 GMT

In <BtI8wq.35z@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:

>That's pretty much true.  I can only think of one bar in the States
>where you can order "a beer" and get one*, instead of having to choose
>a brand.  Most everywhere I went in Germany, you'd order a Bier, or a
>Dunkel, or whatever, and that's what you got.

>*Any guesses from the audience?

The reason is, that very often the breweries paid for the interior
of the Gastwirtschaft, or owns it totally. In any case they require
the one who runs the etablissement to buy a certain quantity of
beer per month (usually quite a lot). If they don't buy enough,
they have to pay penalties. Sometimes the breweries explicitly
disallow to sell other brands of beer. 

Michael
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From: anderda@eng.auburn.edu (David Anderson)
Subject: Beer, of course!
Reply-To: anderda@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:45:31 GMT

1.  I tried Warsteiner and thought that it was great.  I bought a five liter keg for
$11.99 and had a hell uv a time.  You can fit three of those things in a large cooler.  We took the rafting (read "floating") down the Chatahootchee River last summer.

2.  Does anybody know of any brew-pubs or microbreweries in Georgia (particularly Atlanta?

David


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From: jkonecn@andy.bgsu.edu (Joe Konecny)
Subject: Superior
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:43:00 GMT

I have seen recent reference to Mexican beers.  How about Superior?  That's
Mexican if I remember correctly.  It was good beer too, at least to me.  
Do any of you seasoned beer critics think it is good also?

Joe Konecny
jkonecn@andy.bgsu.edu

Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 16:41:01 -0400 
From: Michael Jay Lefever <ml59+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Blue Velvet: Heineken, ...

That's probably Pabst Blue Ribbon.  It sucks.


Mike


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From: jmellby@iluvatar.dseg.ti.com (John R. Mellby)
Subject: Re: Gambrinus
Organization: TI-DSEG Spring Creek
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:48:51 GMT

In article <Btn9LC.MwM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
|> bryanh@dseg.ti.com (Bryan Hazel) writes:
|> >I have recently stumbled upon YET ANOTHER beer I thought was pretty decent. As the
|> >subject line suggests, it is Gambrinus from Czechoslovakia. (Man, no wonder people
|> 
|> 	I thought it was a pretty nice northern European pilsner style beer.
|> I think there are better ones, but I also think the bottle I had wasn't
|> particularly fresh.  I'll have to try it again.

When Gambrinus first became available here it was very fresh.  I started to notice a
few months later that it was not nearly as good as when it first showed up.  By this
I assume that they got one big shipment and tried to sell it for quite a few months.

Too bad because when fresh, it seemed as good as fresh Pilsner Urquell (another
beer which is seldom available fresh).

John R. Mellby                       Texas Instruments
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From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Subject: Good Mexican beer (was: Re: Canadian pisswater)
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:03:25 GMT

In article <58=n_#p@lynx.unm.edu> dixon@TECHNET.NM.ORG writes:
>I'm not sure from what Dos Equis Amber is being excepted -- is it unlike
>AdolfMillerBudMolson or is it excepted from AAB coverage?

The former!

>                                                            IMHO, XX is
>the tastiest beer that's universally available anymore.  

I'm not sure that I would go that far, but it is certainly excellent
and widely available.

>                                                         But there are
>some other Mexican beers not exported (El Indio comes to mind) I sure
>wouldn't mind finding at my supermarket.

Interesting.  Are these other beers you are referring to not exported
at all, or just not mass exported (ala Corona :-( or XX :-))?

ted



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From: KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Gambrinus, You Pe--s I Love You After All
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:59:22 GMT
Organization: BROOKHAVEN NATIONAL LABORATORY
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Aug26.231905.17269@mksol.dseg.ti.com> bryanh@dseg.ti.com writes:

: I have recently stumbled upon YET ANOTHER beer I thought was pretty decent. As the
: subject line suggests, it is Gambrinus from Czechoslovakia. (Man, no wonder people
: been fightin' over that country for so long.) Since I'm more of a beer sewer than
: a connoisseur, I'd be interested in comments from some of the more discerning
: palates out there in the beer net.
: 

I wouldn't mention Gambrinus in the same breath as Pilz Pazdroj (Pilsner
Urquelle), Budvar (Budweisser) or Velkypopovicky (but then not many people can
say anything in the same breath as "Velkypopovicky" 8^) ). The Gambrinus I had
in Prague was roughly equivalent to the weaker (but more easily pronounced) 
Popovicky.

Speaking of good Czech beers, one must mention U Flecku, the famous brewpub in
Prague.

Your crack about fighting over Czechoslovakia reminds me of a joke a Czech
friend told me. I'll post it on rec.humor because it has nothing to do with
beer.


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From: parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Breweries in New England and Maine.
Keywords: micro, brewpub, New England, Maine
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:58:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

norton@ctron.com (Dave Norton) writes:

>Portland, ME:  Gritty McDuff's, located in the Old Port area of
>Portland is probably one of the older brewpubs in the region.  
>Personally I don't care for the place.  You'll find it packed
>tight with patrons, many of which are drinking commercial beers
>and hard liquor drinks.  Grittys has great T shirts though.

	I rather liked this place.  I was only in town for an afternoon and
this was a cozy place to fall into since it was wet and cold out.  It wasn't
very full and most importantly their beer was very good.  I don't remember
the particulars, but I think the bitter was the best.  Don't get too hung up
on the ambiance and stuff.  If the beer's good just belly up to the bar and
drink it!

	Cheers!
		-m.
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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: Blue Velvet: Heineken, ...
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:35:48 GMT

In article 715525452@marie, rickman@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Rickmer Kose) writes:
>did anyone watch the movie blue velvet?
>
>frank asks: whats your favourite beer?
>answer    : Heineken.
>frank     : fuck Heineken! Pebbs Blue Ribbon!
>
>Sounds nice. But absolutely noone here knows this kind of beer.
>Who is able to help me and tells me where to order that beer?

You're kidding, right?  Pabst Blue Ribbon.  Otherwise known as PBR.  Not good
stuff, you might as well search for a Carlings Black Label, or even a Red-White-
and-Blue.   I hope that this line in the movie was merely sarcasm...

While at Daytona Beach (motorcycle week), I "sampled" a few beers labeled 
:Harley-Davidson" beer.  In black and silver cans.  Arrgghhh.  I could only
drink it at about 33 degrees....   Read the back label, made by Pabst Blue Ribbon,
hhmmmmmm.   The joke was that one should carry around a sixer in case of sudden 
thirst, or in case the oil level in one's Harley was low...   8)   8)  

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From: hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mathew A. Hennessy)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: EKU and Spaten
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:00:15 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <me.714928381@dude> me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel) writes:
>
>I'm quite happy with the situation. You might not be able to get
>a lot of different beers in restaurants, but my local dealer
>carries more than a hundred different beers at prices between
>18 and 28 DM per 20 bottle case (11 to 18 $, a bottle has 0.5
>liters).

	Oh wow.  I guess next time I go to europe, Bavaria is definitely in my
travel plan.

>Michael Elbel 			|  No, I haven't lost my brain!
>PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany	|  I just forgot it in the
>   me@dude.pcs.com 		|  rush this morning.

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From: "kiran shah" <kiran.shah@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: how to homebrew?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:28:04 EST
Reply-To: "kiran shah" <kiran.shah@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications


Greetings all!  Excuse me if this is a FAQ, but I'm a great lover and
drinker of beers, and would like to break into home brewing.  After
following this conference for a few weeks now, I see that there are
quite a few home brewers around!  Can anyone recommend any good books
for me?  I've heard of home brew kits; is that what I need to get
started?  Where might I find such kits?  (I live just outside of
Boston).  How much do I need to spend to get started?  Anything I
should watch out for?

My favorite beers include Sam Adams (all varieties, including
Lightship--the best *light* beer there is, and their special Cranberry
Lambic--very interesting), Bass Ale, Harpoon, Molson Golden (a fine
drinking beer), and exotic brews such as Xingu (Brazilian-dark &
sweet).  If I could imitate such beers at home I'd be happy for ever
after.

Thanks in advance for any advice.  If this is a FAQ, could someone
kindly direct me to an FTP site which has the FAQ list??  Thanks...


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