HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard)
Subject: Re: Redistricting
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:23:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.212803.24642@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.ed
u writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.210731.22108@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dpollard@magnus.
acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov20.120402.1@acad2.alaska.edu> fsars@acad2.alaska.edu write
s:
>>>Blacks (and other minorities) are already getting districts redrawn so
>>>that they get representation in governing bodies in the United States.
>>
>>It remains amazing to me that the enforcement of federal voting rights is
>>considered by some to be something which only benefits Blacks.
>
>First, the federal voting rights in question were a recent creation of
>the Congress.
>
>And, no, of course it's not the case that the racial gerrymanderingcurrently
>required only benefits blacks.  Republicans benefit also.  So do lawyers.  And
>programmers who design redistricting software.
>

This was my general point.

[a comment by yours truly deleted here]

>
>I, for one, am concerned about the current definition of voting rights.
>It seems to imply that only a black can represent blacks -- which is an
>impoverished notion of representation, and leads one to the corollary that
>only a white could represent whites, etc.

I do not agree with the theory that only a member of a certain group can 
effectively represent that group.  I hope that the reason for my post was 
clear, namely, I objected to the statement regarding Blacks benefitting so much
from redistricting.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:55:09 GMT

Will someone please email me the title of this new biography on
Malcolm X ?  I wrote it down, but I lost it. 

Thanks.

-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: More gun control!
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:47:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov21.054731.27714
Organization: Western Washington University

carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)  writes:

>NA>Subject: Re: More gun control.

>Look at the gun injuries in countries with very restrictive gun laws,
>i.e. Germany. They are non-existent.

On the other hand, look at Mexico, strict laws but more
injuries and deaths.

To show that the laws make a difference, you have to show
injuries and deaths _before and after_ the implementation
of those laws.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: More gun control!
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:08:53 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) writes:

>Look at the gun injuries in countries with very restrictive gun laws,
>i.e. Germany. They are non-existent.

Tell that to six million Jews and countless gypsies and homosexuals.
Or was killing them not a crime in your eyes?  Oh, my mistake,
there were gassed, weren't they?

I wonder if it would have happened if they had all been armend?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: The Golden Bowe (The Holy Field)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:37:27 GMT


In a monumental spectacle of human heart and human will, of human courage
and human skill, in an event that evoked the mythopoeia of "El Momento
de la Verdad" aka "The Moment of Truth" aka "Leonard-Duran I", the great
but until now unappreciated fighter Evander Holyfield was pounded into
submission by an opponent who was younger, stronger, and who could knock
men out with either hand: Riddick Bowe. But not before Holyfield delivered
a message in the sanctum of the Mirage Hotel, a revelation of the black
man's soul, wherein the power of interior victory consumes all exterior
defeats. And not before Bowe ventured across the boundary of the knowable 
into the uncharted territory of one of the greatest 10th rounds in the
history of boxing, and found out who he was: the heavyweight champion of
the world. We will never see more courage displayed by two men in a ring.


	"Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Power (lailatu 'l-qadr).
	 Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Night of Power is!
	 The Night of Power is better than a thousand months.
	 The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission
	 of their Lord, with all decrees. 

	 (That night is) Peace! until the rising of the morning."
	
		- Al-Qadr, Quran XCVII
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11446 soc.history:9670
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.history
Subject: Re: Founding Fathers
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:22:21 EST
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov22.193855.1341@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
> it is clear to me, however, what should be done today.  we need to dispel
> the fairy tale the america has a 200+ year tradition of freedom and
> democracy, when in reality, it's barely a quarter century of such [and
> still with some improvement to go].  this is one of the positive aspects
> of some of the ethno-centric historical views coming to the fore these
> days.  interesting, clowns like arthur slesinger (sp?) and george will
> tend to see these developments as a threat to tradition european canon.
> 
> arguements advanced in this thread about not using modern standards to
> evaluate the past are bogus; i don't believe that white people of the
> past were incapable decency with regards to other human beings and were
> thereby unable to see the utter perversion of slavery [and people talk
> about a *decline* of moral values today??? unbelievable].  we don't look
> at nazi germany with such forgiveness.  in a sense, as long as white
> people are writing the history books as has been the case through much
> of the past, it will be little more than a "story"; propaganda to allow
> white people to believe that things are the way they are not because of
> nefarious acts to create the current social order but due to superior
> intellectual ability on their part.
> 
> so, i think we'll do a lot better, and allow us to learn the lessons of
> the past so we don't keep repeating them in the present, if we begin to
> see the past for what it really was instead of a story to make white
> people feel good about it...
> 

You might have a look at _Europe and the People Without History_,
by Eric Wolf.  The book argues, essentially, that in the period
1400-1600 all the world's civilizations intermingled to so great 
an extent that it doesn't make sense to view them as separate 
entities.  European colonization doesn't come off real well.

There's a nice chapter on Africa, and if you're interested in the
author's photo, it's on the back cover.
						-Luke
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:39:16 GMT
Followup-To: sci.skeptic,sci.skeptic
X-From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
X-Newsgroups: sci.skeptic

X-Date: 18 Nov 92 01:36:18 GMT
X-Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <97979@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.021106.10158@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, mcbean@vax writes:
>>Am I missing sonething here?
> 
> Yes.  A few neurons.  Maybe some spare glia.

Thanks for the mature response...

> 
>>			       They didn't create syphillis but they
>>sure as hell experimented with it, so why couldn't AIDS experiments
>>have been conducted (irrespective of whether they did or not).
> 
> With what?  On what?  Where was there the faintest clue that there
> was this very slow acting immune compromising sexually transmitted
> virus out there?  WHERE?

Could it be possible that they were just f**king around not sure what they were
dealing with?

> 
>>It would seem logical that it wasn't genetically engineered but that
>>don't stop them from injecting it...
> 
> Tell us how they found it first.

I was actually trying to get some information on what mayor may not have
occurred, not engage in some nitpicking, childish diatribe.  I do believe
somebody posted a reference that retroviruses were first identified in 1910 on
scaa.  No need to get all worked up my friend, like I said I was merely trying
to have a discussion, and you still haven't really answered any of the original
questions.

I don't have any strong background in biological sciences, so if I am missing
something rather obvious maybe you would be kind enough to do what my missing
neurons and ganglia would have done..

> -- 
> -Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

David McBean (david%wsi@engineering.oxford.ac.uk)
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 18 Nov 1992 10:55:00 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov17.225600.14742@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
Jeff.Strabone@dartmouth.edu (Jeff Strabone) writes:
>
>BTW, I read in Newsweek today that among the notables with roles in the
>film are Bobby Seale and William Kunstler.  I won't give away the
>identity of the figure who reads an X speech at the movie's end.
>
.
.
The Honorable Nelson Mandela, President of the African National
Congress of South Africa.
.
Amandla!
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Spike on 'Nightline'
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:19:53 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Spike was on "Nightline" last night with Ted Koppel and some serious
high school kids, whites and blacks. I rather liked seeing the
panorama, if you will, of black opinion on Malcolm.  Of course,
Clifford Alexander was TIRED and so was Arthur Ashe.  Maya Angelou
was eloquent as always to the moment.  And also there was Betty
Shabazz, reemerging after years of obscurity and struggle, looking
quiet, dignified and sounding direct and gentle.
.
Man, I'm so tired of seeing majestic wives of dead black men, from
Coretta to Myrlie to Betty.  They seem always to speak for ashes,
instead of themselves.
.
Maybe that's keeping hope alive.
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:59:24 -0500 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ignorance

Has anyone on this net noticed that our friend Philip "Peewee Herman"
Stromer is NEVER wrong???

Hey, Phil, it would be nice if, in between all of the hot air, blatant
stupidity, and downright ignorance, you throw in a fact or two to back
up your claims.  Something I learned in English class a long time ago is
that an argument is worthless without textual evidence or some kind of
fact.  Judging by the quality and content of most, if not all of your
posts, it appears that you must have been absent from school that day.

Your friend,
Will
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Malcolm X Movie
From: ctodd@jupiter (christopher todd)
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:27:07 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


	Hello my name is Christopher and I would like to have a discussion on

	the Malcolm X movie.  I will go see the movie on Thanksgiving so if anyone has a opinion then drop me some E-mail.








							Christopher
						

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:32:11 GMT

Why make D.C. a state?  Why not just put it back where it came from?

--Tim Smith
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11134 misc.legal:19990
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:54:51 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

>In article <DuPsTB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>>They're legal in Georgia now, and I thought Georgis was about the most        
>>redneck state in the country.  The Supreme Court even struck down a
>>law in some state recently where a homosexual couple was arrested for
>>being homosexual.  I think this will set a nationwise precedent.  And
>>we know how CONSERVATIVE today's Supreme Court is.  Not to worry.
>

Not the very same Phil Stromer who was kicked out of Sun because he
refused to stop posting "I hate gays, they are so disgusting, I hope
they all die" messages to various newsgroups using Sun's machines?
It must be!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: fsars@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: shoot the messenger: jesse jackson [was: Re: D.C. Statehood]
Organization: University of Alaska
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:34:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.215418.3532@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
> In article <1992Nov22.224612.486@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov21.192639.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen
>>R Sparks) writes:
>>
>>[material on inner-city flight deleted]
>>
>>>I have little sympathy for those left behind.
>>
> given this guy is writing from (i presume) alaska i'm sort of wondering if he 
> really knows what he's talking about, or whether he's getting his information 
> from tv sitcoms.

I  lived in LA for about 8 months.  I also have visited big cities. 
Most of my adult life has been in Alaska.  Don't watch much T.V.  I 
read a lot.  I suspect you get more information about us from T.V. 
sitcoms than I do the lower forty-eight.

There's a local airline up here that advertises "We fly everywhere in 
Alaska, except Cicily."

=== Al Sparks
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:41:08
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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	<1992Nov16.201022.26206@jetsun.weitek.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM's message of Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:10:22 GMT

nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
|>|BTW, how many people know that Malcolm X taught that whites were the
|>|result of an experiment by a black scientist who wanted to create an
|>|evil race of people? I'd bet most people with the X hats and T-shirts
|>|don't know about this. It's in the autobiography.
|>
|>Well, duh.

|Malcolm X taught that before he went on hajj. His hajj experience was a
|very deep and meaningful spiritual time, and he saw the meaning of Islam
|and the true lack of racism among Muslims. As a result of this, he became 
|a Sunni and a more ardent lover of God.
|I don't understand is why he is still referred to as Malcolm X, since he
|changed his name to an Islamic name after the hajj.

I ask myself the same question:  why do I call him Malcolm X instead
of El Hajj Malik El Shabazz?  I thinks it's because he let folks refer
to him that way even after the hajj and because, simply, everyone else
does.

Whatever.  I hope this movie opens a few eyes and, hey, maybe even a
few minds.

--
Peace.
               "Only God can make a tree--probably because it's
               so hard to figure out how to get the bark on."
                               --Woody Allen
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:48:35 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography

In article <D3wmuB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
(Sam Bhimji) says:
>
>peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>
>- This coming from the camel-humping Ay-Rab who denies that the Holocaust
>- even took place.  Wrap your towel up tighter Sam, your brains are sagging.
>-
>- You haven't learned anything in 1200 years, since the beginning of Muhammad,
>- the false prophet.  I urinate on Nasser's grave.
>-
>- --Phisrael
>
>That's ok, since your holocaust did occur, but it seems like Hitler
>missed you on his killin' trip...
>
As I said before, Stromer may be an idiot but your response is racist and
disgusting (how would you like it if someone said, ah, too bad the Crusaders
missed your ancestors?)
>
>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Afriphobia, Clitoridectomy and AIDS.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:47:17 GMT

Paul M Mweene writes:
 
>>Observe also that ritual like cliderictomy and circumission (which is far far
>>more wide spread) are conducted once a year. Among the people who do them, the
>>girls or boys of the appropriate age group are gathered in a camp. They are
>>instructed in the traditions of their ethnic group, required to undergo various
>>rites of passage including circumcission and then discharged as adults.
>>Since cliderictomy is so rare, I am more familiar with male circumcission. The
>>only girl ( an east African) underwent it alone.

About a year ago, there was an article in the New York Times about female
genital mutilation in Africa. According to this article, the practice was
still widespread in many parts of the continent, to the extent that up
to 100 million (!) African women alive today had had their clitorises 
amputated under the most appalling conditions imaginable. Additional, 
horrible operations, too awful to describe here, were also performed. 
The claim was that this practice, in addition to the suffering
endured, and the obvious psycho-social consequences, was a major health 
problem for African women, including, of course, the spread of AIDS.

I didn't write the article and I have no way of knowing the facts. Having
read various other postings by Mr. Mweene, I can't help wondering who
is correct here. I suppose that hard-core racists will take comfort whenever
"bad news" comes from Africa. It seems to me though, that the interests of
Africans are better served if the truth is told, especialy when it comes to 
matters of life and death.


Stefan
From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Malcolm X and the NOI
Date: 22 Nov 92 11:36:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gf3zp9G00YUoECeOlU
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I saw the movie Malcolm X recently.  Overall it seemed to be a very
well-done movie, with large attention to detail and much shooting on 
location.  

I got the impression from the movie that it was really the Nation of 
Islam that made Malcolm X what he was, and then tried to destroy him
when he got too popular.

Are there any NOI members out there who have seen the movie?  Do you 
guys think it gave the NOI a fair shake?  Certainly there seemed to be
plenty of advertisement for Islam in general, both the standard variety
and that espoused by Elijah Muhammad.  Why doesn't Louis Farrakhan appear
anywhere in the movie, or was he just not active then?

Steve Timm
From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Phil! You forgot your medication! AGAIN!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:33:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry to interject myself into this newsgroup but I was informed that
Phil was back.  You see, several months back Phil used to post to a
variety of newsgroups, including the one that read with some frequency,
rec.sport.pro-wrestling.  Yes, Phil is wrestling fan but usually he
confuses the wrestling part with some gay sexual activity.  We tolerated
Phil because it became apparent relatively quickly that he doesn't have
a clue.  Oh yeah, we also figured out that he was a latent homosexual.
Anyway, Phil got fired from his job at Sun because of his postings and
was away from the net because of it.  However, now he's back and the one
thing I suggest you do is just humor him or ignore him.  He needs help,
lots of help.  And someday, perhaps, he'll get it.  We all should help
in that direction.

Note:  No ;-}s.

-- 
Just this person's view of netlife.

======> mike palij ::  bh929@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rock Hudson vs. Pee Wee
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:38:03 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Friends of Lenny Bruce

        >All I am saying is, dont come on here so called 'outing' people 
        >when you dont have any proof...Magic Johnson, 
        
has AIDS, or did you forget?  He didn't get it from using a needle, and        
no straight person has ever gotten AIDS any other way, except Kimberly
Bergalis (RIP), but she was an innocent victim who got AIDS from her
queer doctor when he transferred his AIDS to her through his fag blood.

        >Pee Wee *anyone* for that matter could be putting up a front, but 
        >none of us have any proof either way unless we can say that we were 
        >personally propositioned by them, 
        
Not true.  Not one single person has even claimed that Peewee Herman is        
gay.  He just got caught choking his chicken in an X-rated movie.  That's
what most good ol' boys do.  Horniness is to be commended, as long as it's
HeteroHorny (tm).

        >which I think is pretty safe to say is negative. 
        
Unlike Magic's blood test...

        >Besides, they are/were great actors/athletes...who cares??!!

Umm, about 200 girls that let Magic pork them?  One of them is even
claiming that Magic *knew* he had AIDS, yet still porked her.  That's
called MURDER.
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