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From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:19:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <SHAFER.92Sep11092809@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:39:01 GMT, van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) said:
>
>Valerie> On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
>Valerie> not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a 
>Valerie> "lap child", and I *had* to hold her.  (This was the 
>Valerie> first week of September.)
>
>Sounds like you didn't buy her her own seat.  "Laps" don't get to use
>seats--they're called "laps" because they sit on your lap rather than
>in their own seats.  For the parent, this presents a tradeoff between
>money and comfort.  I don't think the safety issue is really
>germane--most aircraft accidents are bad enough that a car seat won't
>save the child.

The safety-in-a-crash issue is probably so small as to be irrelevant,
as Mary says.   Safety-in-turbulence is not.   Flight attendants
often refer to lap babies as "UFOs" because they tend to leap into
flight when the aircraft runs into severe turbulence.

I've been fortunate enough that I can afford to pay for a seat for
my daughter when she flies with me.  Both of us are more comfortable,
and she's slightly safer "in the event of an unexpected deceleration".
But I can certainly sympathize with parents who can't afford the
extra seat.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:48:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154516.15089@src.honeywell.com> jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
>
>In article<51tp02EA21co01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com
>  (Linda Newell) writes:
>>...Also, my doctor said that nutra-sweet would not be a problem.
>
>My source may not have been a reliable one, but I have heard that
>nutra-sweet can cause the growth of the baby's limbs to be stunted
>and heart problems in the baby. Any truth to this?
>
>-Jen (due 11-14)

Ah gee, I'm glad Melinda is already here (& completely normal -- if
you don't count being in the 100% growth wize).  I certainly drank
a few diet drinks with both of mine & they were fine.  So it certainly
doesn't *always* cause a problem.  

As a formally pregnant woman, I would ask on behalf of those reading
this group who are still awaiting their baby, that you not post stuff
like this.  If you really know something, fine.  But really, there
is *more* than enough to worry about without rumor mongering from
unreliable sources!

Elise.
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Video of Birth (was re: "Missing out")
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:46:13 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

(Diane Lin) writes:

>When I was in labor, I kept notes, because I wanted to add this all to 
>the journal that I started when early on in my pregnancy.  When we made 
>the decision to get a shot of Stadol, I insisted that my husband start 
>taking notes, so that I wouldn't miss anything important, just in case 
>I zoned out.  After the Stadol wore off (very quickly), I continued 

(Diana Choi) writes:

>Yep me too, notes ...but now I wish we had videotaped the whole thing
>because right now, (7 months later) I would just LOVE to watch it.  
>(And before I always thought videoptaping a birth was weird).


I wanted to video tape Ryan's birth, but my husband was too busy helping me
to set it up and I was too out of it to demand.  I wanted to camera to be
placed accross the room in a corner and turned on just before delivery.  I
have a hard time remembering the details of Ryan's birth.  Most of the
labor is clouded by the demoral I had.

Next time, if it works out, I plan to have it videotaped (I may even ask a
close friend to do it for us).  I want to try and avoid demerol... not because
I have anything against using drugs in labor, but because I want to 
remember better.  I may even opt for an epidural this time it I need 
something, I just want to be alert!

-- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan 16.75 months and ?? -34.86 weeks)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:17:36 GMT

In <22370@venera.isi.edu> sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds) writes:


   >Heavy drinkers place their children at a MUCH greater risk of fetal
   >alcohol syndrome (FAS) than occasional drinkers but studies indicate
   >that the occasional drinker also places her child at risk.  An analogy
   >that comes to mind is the parent who allows her child to cross the
   >street without looking both ways.  The parent justifies her lack of
   >parental concern by suggesting that kids only get run over on VERY
   >VERY busy streets.

Whoa, hold the phones.  The risk of fas is pretty small for
occasional drinkers.  The analogy to letting a kid cross the street
without looking is completely out of the ballpark.

   >In my opinion, women who drink alcohol during pregnancy (even in
   >moderation) are more concerned with their short term enjoyment rather
   >than their childs long term development.  IF YOU ARE PREGNANT, PLEASE
   >DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL!

Let's get a little perspective on risk and "short-term enjoyment"
here.  Getting in the car and going to a movie puts one's fetus at
risk.  Taking a shower puts one's fetus at risk.  Taking a walk alone
puts one's fetus at risk.  All for the sake of "short-term enjoyment."

Pregnancy takes over a woman's whole body and life for most of a year.
It can be quite hellish at times.  Please let's not moralize about
pregnant women's decisions unless we have thought carefully and
intelligently about risk management and about what it's like to live
with a pregnancy.


---Connie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Long Ambilical Cord??
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:22:54 GMT

I dunno about a long umbilical cord, but my OB remarked that Anna
had a very large and healthy placenta.  Since seeing that long
umbilical cords are used in varicose vein repair, I am now wondering ...
what are placentas used for?

-- Misty
From: jpr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James P. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Yet Another File for the Index.  Help needed.
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:51:01 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi folks

I am compliling for the misc.kids file index a piece on raising street smart
kids.  I would like to have the usual advice on protecting your children from
abduction, molestation, and other abuse.

I remember in particular one file which was fairly long ... maybe 100 lines ...
that had a good deal of advice in it.  Whoever it was that posted it please
send it to me.

I am also getting transcripts of "Street Smarts" and "Little Secrets" from
NPR;  I can make these available as well.

Comments?  Suggestions?  Advice I can put in?  Criticism of this effort?
All welcome by email only please.

Jim Reynolds


-- 
James P. Reynolds       (that's Jim to you and me.)      jpr1@lehigh.edu
   Lehigh University Materials Science Rules             jreynolds@igc.org
From: dmk@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cornmeal for baby powder???
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:59:30 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hi everyone,

I have this vague recollection of once reading that fine cornmeal (cornfour
to some North Americans) makes an excellent baby powder (without the
problems of added perfumes, asbestos etc or a huge price tag).

Can anyone verify this? Attest to its suitability? Totally repudiate it?

Thanks,

-Diane.

P.S. Any tips on natural baby toiletries much appreciated.
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From: led11@ccc.amdahl.com (Lynn Robinson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
Subject: new book on homeschooling
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:54:41 GMT
Reply-To: led11@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  Since there has been a lot of discussion here recently on the subject 
of homeschooling, I thought I'd let people know about a new book
that recently came out called "Family Matters - Why Homeschooling 
Makes Sense" by David Guterson.  I just found it at a bookstore 
a couple of days ago and have read about half of it.  Thus far, I am 
really impressed with it.

  Guterson is a public high school teacher who homeschools his own
3 children (his wife does a lot of it), and he talks about the pros
and cons of homeschooling.  He still believes in the need for public education
since homeschooling isn't feasible for everyone, but feels that there are
several big advantages to homeschooling such as the ability for students to
move at their own rate, learn in their own styles, get a lot of invididual
attention, work with adults in the "real world", and have more control over
and say in their own learning.  He addresses some of the tough questions
such as "What about the child's socialization?"

  Guterson is a very articulate, convincing, and intelligent writer who
makes the case for homeschooling, while admitting that it has risks and
that it isn't for everyone.  I highly recommend it and I plan to pass it
on to my in-laws who need a little convincing on the subject.

  Lynn Robinson
  lynn@ras.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alper@sushi.psych.nwu.edu (Theodore M. Alper)
Subject: Re: Math: Estimating vs Real Thing
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:05:26 GMT

In article <z#nnf4-.kaminski@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>J. S. Comeaux <jsco@usmi02.midland.chevron.com> writes:
>
>>My 5th grader is learning ESTIMATING
>[...]

>Makes sense to me.  I'd hope the teacher is communicating the concepts
>behind what the kids are supposed to do, not just "lop off these digits
>here, add them over there, and throw the sums together and hope it works."
>

And also remember the textbooks. Estimation seems to have been a hot
topic recently (as in Paulos' Innumeracy book) and, in an effort to
give schools what they want, the newer elementary school books all address
it (I've recently seen a few). But, like almost everything in these books,
it comes out as another formula, a wooden procedure. I don't think that's
entirely the fault of the publishers -- if they did it any other way, 
teachers and school boards would be afraid to touch it -- but the upshot
is that an idea that has at least a little sense may well be at best 
useless and quite possibly harmful as it is taught in the classrom.

Of course, there's no hard data to support the idea that -- even with
the most competent teaching methods -- estimation should be taught 
concurrently with basic arithmetic skills. Certainly, those with math 
facility use estimation and approximation to great advantage, and there
is a naive appeal to making children number-conscious in a mature way as
they learn  -- but maybe they're not ready for full number-consciousness
until they have all the details of arithmetic down to a reflex. We'll 
probably never know for sure what works best, one teaching craze will
follow another and none will be executed as its first proponents
intended.

Ted Alper
(who, as young (-3 months) Morris Andrew comes to term, finds himself -- to
his great surprise -- contemplating homeschooling)






Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
Subject: Re: Diaper Rash
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:42:00 GMT

Eric Quackenbush writes:

> I'd call the doctor for the little one who can't even sit in the tub.
> If it get's bad enough, your ped might ask you to put nothing
> including a diaper on the baby.  A friend of ours had to do that
> but it worked. Sounds like fun, huh!

When our kids have had a rash we've sometimes put them in training
pants and/or track pants. It becomes *instantly* obvious when they
need to be changed, so they're never wet for more than a minute.
Meanwhile there's lots of air circulation to promote healing, and
the house is at least a little bit protected. (Poop tends to be
contained and less pee reaches the floor. :-) )

Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:32:30 EDT

In article <STEVES.92Sep10095156@kuwait.gdfwc3> steves@gdfwc3 (Steve
Strauss) writes:

   > This is kind of off the main subject, but do kids no longer make
   > fun of other kids with unusual names?  When I was growing up,
   > kids regularly teased those with unusual names.  For this
   > reason, I would never give a child an usual name.  You mentioned
   > that your sister has had "to correct people for the past 34
   > years".  Do you really want your child to have to do this?
   > Maybe I'm way off here, but I wouldn't put anyone through the
   > possible teasing and confusion that an unusual name would
   > cause.

Actually, we figure that with all the ethnic names hitting the school
systems these days as a result of families from other cultures, Geordie and
Devra won't seem that unusual.  We have a nephew whose name is Enzo (short
for Vincenzo) and we figure that he'll be right at home with all the kids
named Aakif, Caeli, Yaniv, Myung-Dae, Sehr, and so on.  Same with our kid.

Oh, and we've sort of decided that y'all have a point about the middle name,
so we're looking into more mainstream alternatives.  I personally like
Allen, but Cheryl invoked the monogrammed luggage rule (can you imagine
having monogrammed stuff that said GAG...we knew someone whose initials were
PEE).  We briefly toyed with the idea of Scott...it's subtle enough that
most people wouldn't get the reference, and it *is* a mainstream name.

Any other suggestions.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Organization: Stanford University
	<oefV23C0hXuaEsgHwG@andrew.cmu.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:52:36

In article <oefV23C0hXuaEsgHwG@andrew.cmu.edu> sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:

   Decaf coffee is 99% caffeine free, and regular coffee is something like
   68% caffeine free.

What?  Regular coffee is 32% caffeine?  Can't be, it's already about
90% water.

Does anyone have the real facts about decaffeinated coffee?  I find
that I'm quite sensitive to caffeine and similar drugs:  I can't sleep
at night if I have chocolate in the afternoon, or even one cup of
coffee in the morning.  I seem to have a caffeine reaction to decaf
coffee if I have it in the evening, but it's weak enough that I might
be wrong.  How much caffeine is still in decaf?  

Obligatory misc.kids content:  It took me forever to realize that
chocolate kept me up at night.  My son was not a sleeper at all when
he was a baby (he NEVER took naps;  it was hell), and I wonder if the
large amount of chocolate I was eating had anything to do with it.

-- Anne

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Late night bottles
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 04:20:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.174105.25615@morrow.stanford.edu> rabbit@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna) writes:
>Many people have posted that their pediatricians had told them to wean
>their children form bottles.  I understand that going to bed with a
>bottle can promote toothe decay.  So have the child brush his or her
>teeth.  
>
>Except for instances where a child is drinking so much liquids that they
>are not getting adequate nutrition, why should a child stop drinking
>from a bottle?
>

My son had problems with the bottle, and his teeth. There was some white stuff
caked at the bottom, and brushing couldnt get rid of it. My mom asked our
dentist (I was going to take Jeffrey into see him, but he was sick that day),
and he said take him off the bottle, especially the night time one. My mother
said he only was only getting two bottles (mid morning, and before bed - but\
not in bed), and that lots of kids had more bottles the that, and for much 
longer, witout a problem. The dentist replied that Jeffrey probably has soft
teeth, and we will need to keep an eye on them.

Jeffrey was 15 months at the time. I stopped the night time bottle, and about
6 weeks later my mother stopped giving the daytime bottle. The gunk went away.

So, it depends on the child. Most dont have a problem. My pediatrician also
said it was rare to see a child with problems, as long as the parents dont
let them go to bed with the bottle. We were just unlucky :-(.

Laura Floom
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Summary: common names
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:23:23 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL

In article <1992Sep11.155013.21491@src.honeywell.com>, jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
> 
> People, please please please stop naming your daughters Jennifer. When I
> was growing up everytime somebody would yell for one of us in the hallway,
> half the school would turn around. When I was in second grade there were
> some 6 or 7 "Jenny"'s in my class so like Seanna, I decided to change the
> spelling of my name. The best I could come up with then was "Jenni" which
> nobody I knew used, but within a few years everyone else started spelling
> their name that way too and now I know more Jenni's than Jenny's. Just
> can't win.
> 
My best friend, Sue (additionally dating myself, in case my own
name didn't do the trick) wanted to be different.  SO in high
school, she insisted that her name was "Sioux" (this from a
well-behaved blond Catholic girl of Bohemian/Czech descent).
In adulthood, she became Susan, even to her husband, though
her parents had always called her Susie, and her friends Sue.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.230251.14756@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu
(Keith E Gatling) writes:
>Yes, I really am posting this to two different lists, but it really does
>have to do with both of them.
>
>My wife and I are expecting our first child in February.  If it's a girl,
>we've decided to name her Devra Marie.  We haven't had many problems with

[stuff deleted]

>It's the boy's name that a few, and I'll admit it really is only a few,
>people have given us some grief over.  As a result, Cheryl wanted me to poll
>you people...on BOTH newsgroups...to see what you think.
>
>The name we've been considering is Geordie LeVar.
>
>Okay...opinions?
>

Name the kid whatever you want.  I wouldn't even be concerned that the name
appears in books--if you like it and defend it, your child will probably
have the same attitude, and like the fact that its name is not as common as
other people's.

I truly feel this way--my wife and I gave our [now] 11 week old daughter a
middle name of Roo, after the character in A.A. Milne's stories.  It was a
pre-natal pet name that just stuck, and I really wanted it to be a part of her
"real" name.  We've caught a lot of grief for it, but then again a lot of
people have admitted it's grown on them too, and most of us call her Roo
regularly (including one of her grandmothers!).  Stick to your guns.  :)

Jon
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Drugs in Labor (was Re: "Missing out")
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:18:23 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Sep8.180908.2994@octel.com>, cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes:
|> In article <6SEP199211200760@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
|> >From _The Crying Baby_ by Sheila Kitzinger (New York: Viking, 1989)
|> >
|> >"It is often claimed that epidural anaesthesia does not affect the baby.
|> >In fact, when women ask, doctors often reassure them that bupivicaine --
|> >the drug most often used -- does not reach the baby since it is an
|> >injection only into the epidural space and does not cross the placenta.
|> >This is not true. Bupivicaine, especially in large doses and over a long
|> >period of time has been shown to reduce a baby's alertness and may
|> >modify the ability to orient to visual and auditory stimuli for as long
|> >as six weeks after birth. 
|> 
|> By chance, did it go on to explain what would be considered a large
|> dose or a long period of time?  How can you tell if it affected the
|> baby's alertness? (I assume all babies would not have the same
|> alertness, as measured by some non-subjective means, even if they
|> all were delivered exactly the same.)  

Yes, I really wonder about Kitzinger's sources here. (I'll look up papers 
later. Anecdotal experience first.)

My baby was born after a 70 hour labor, the last 8 hours with an epidural--
the last few minutes with the stronger c-section drugs. My friends' baby 
was born after 12 hours of labor with no drugs.

My friends' baby could hardly wake up at all for the first few days. We 
all agreed that if the mother had had drugs during labor, we'd have thought 
she was suffering from the aftereffects. My own baby was sleepy, but not as 
much so. 

My baby responded to my voice, by turning his head and looking, *weeks* 
sooner than the books led me to expect. (I'd have to look at his baby 
calendar to tell you exactly when.) He certainly hasn't seemed to have 
any trouble "orienting to visual and auditory stimuli." He has been 
enjoying watching TV documentaries with his daddy since he was two months 
old. I can't say that he could not have been even better at dealing with 
"visual and auditory stimuli" without the drugs, since we don't have a 
proper control, but the deficits would have to be pretty darned slight 
to leave him at this level. To pick up such slight effects, you'd have 
to have a VERY large study with excellently designed controls.

Kitzinger is otherwise, in my opinion, one of the better authors, much
better than that stupid "What to Expect When You're Expecting," but I 
believe she's off base here.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu