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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Long Title: Do I have to do this all over again?!
Date: 29 Sep 1992 15:12:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) says:

>In article <92266.141840EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy) writes:
>>In article <mjenkins.717163810@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael
>>Jenkinson) says:
>>>
>>>You missed a couple....
>>>"I'd rather kiss a Wookie."
>>>"Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope."
>>>I also thought I heard "No Luke, I am your father" but the phone rang.
>>><grin>
>>>Michael
>>
>>          Wow. Are we supposed to laugh now? <NOT!> Why don't you just
>>   post something of importance instead of wasting bandwidth.
>>
>>
>>
>
>HEY! This is funny!  Maybe I'm the only one, but sometimes a person needs a good
>laugh occasionally.  

We seem to be getting a bit vicious again, guys.  Please remember 
that if you ask the right people, nothing "of importance" could
possibly be posted on a board about science fiction, let alone
Star Wars.  We're here to have a good time.  If your time is that 
limited, go read a book or something.

Please, we're here to enjoy each other's company, not tear each
other down.

----  TJ

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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:31:40 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: na
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Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

sharonc@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton) writes:

>Question with spoiler attached (I hope the Control-L works):


> Is Indy's friend Remy' dead? I know that he was at least seriously
> injured in the last scene at the castle/villa, but considering how close
> he and Indy were, there wasn't much grieving shown on Indy's part.

    Well, judging by his screams, the morter (sp?) round seemed to have
taken off a good portion of his leg. Unless the Germans felt like
spending the time and money to keep him alive, I would expect him to die
rather quickly from loss of blood after going into shock. As for the
lack of emotion, there as very little time for them to show much,
hopefully there will be some mention of it in a later episode, possibly
next week.

> I wonder if they're setting this up for a reunion between the two
> (although I hope it would be a lot sooner than the reunion between Indy
> and the suffragist woman he fell in love with).

    This is possible, but there was no sign of him in the POW camp
scenes from next week's episode. I am of the opinion that he is dead, as
it would fit well with the story base of this episode. I also though
that it was interesting that the story about the POW camp next week
looks like it will be told by Old Indy while he's in prison for
assaulting the donut boy.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
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	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Vader's Tie Fighter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:08:22 GMT


Vader's personal TIE fighter in ANH did indeed have different specs from
those of the standard TIE fighters, the better to suit the space-combat
needs of the Lord of the Sith.  How Vader's bent-wing design is an
improvement over the standard flat-wing TIE fighter is something that
escapes me right now, but the design eventually caught on within the
Empire and was integrated into the TIE Interceptors that we see in later
films.  For example, in the battle for Endor, the Imperial fleet 
consisted of a mixture of TIE Interceptors and old-style TIE fighters.

TIE Interceptors have the bent-wing design, and their primary advantage
over the old-style fighters is that they are faster--faster than X-wings,
even.

The above information appears courtesy of the Star Wars RPG Sourcebook.


                                           --Steve Stelter
                                             sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: joshuali@sal-sun67.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ILM is for amateurs
Date: 6 Oct 1992 13:04:53 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun67.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.232939.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>Actually, I've always preferred the STAR WARS-style special effects
>done with actual models rather than the computer-generated Next 
>Generation effects.
> 
>When it's done with actual plastic ships it somehow seems more
>authentic <IMO>.
> 
>When I saw the computer-generated blimp and fighter-planes in INDY3
>I simply wasn't impressed by them.
> 
>Here's hoping that whenever Lucas makes his next SW film he chooses 
>the "expensive" way to do his star-battles.

Wait a sec. All of the ship in Next Generation ARE models (plastic that is).
They don't use CGI for ships.

AND...the blimp in INDY3 and the planes where models too.

Believe me, FX companies do things the least expensive way. It's much cheaper
to make plastic models than CGI models. They usually resort to computer
stuff when it can't be done any other way. i.e. T1000 morphing, Donovan
morphing etc.

What ticks me off is when they do projected explosions on the model instead
of really blowing them up! Go-pyro!!

-joshuali@usc.edu
From: cleaver@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Russell Cleaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: FTP SITE: Any SW Sounds for the MAC
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:18:37 GMT
Organization: Va Tech CS Dept, Blacksburg, VA

> >> Why don't you just do the entire trilogy...
> >
> >Perfect!  That's it!!  Let's digitize the audio to the entire
> >trilogy, and then let's get GIFs of every single frame!!
> 
> ss1> With as sick a mind as I've got, I'm forced to wonder how much
> ss1> storage space that would require.
> 
> More space then what i've got.....

       "If you were to digitize it, the required storage would be..."
       "What?"
       "Well, *more space* than *your* ftp site could imagine!"
       "I dunno.  I can *imagine* quite a bit!"
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From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE: Vader's ship
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:59:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


	The Imperial ships seen in ROTJ that resemble Vader's in ANH are
not the same. They are TIE Interceptors.  While they have the bent side
panels like Vader's, if you look closely, you can see that the front,middle
panel is missing.  These, I assume, are just another type of fighter that
was introduced to avoid the monotny (sp?) in a battle, much like the Rebel's
introduction of the A- and B-Wings in ROTJ.
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From: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe )
Subject: Related Star Wars Question
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 11:16:30 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu


Ok, so you're Darth Vader, lord of evil (just pretend for a few minutes) and
you are fighting your arch nemesis. Your rival and you are fighting pretty 
even up when he suddenly looks away. WHY would you just stand there and wait
until Obiwan looked back and stood there in that "sacrificial position" before
he killed him. Was Vader going soft or what? What kind of lord of evil is he
anyways?  If I were Vader I would have sliced into Kenobi the second he took his
eyes off me.  Just a thought.

Jeff Kabbe = yyrkoon
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: na
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Sep29.173519.2610@news.arc.nasa.gov> watson@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson - FSC) writes:

>I was impressed by the gas mask/flame thrower scene (except for the
>fact that they should have just shot the guys with the flame throwers ...
>was this supposed the be the first ever use of the weapon?  
>That would explain why they all just ran away). 

This scene got very confusing. For one, the german flamethrowers got
REALLY close to the French/Belgian positions all of the sudden. The camera
work should have made them appear out of the gas cloud very suddenly,
otherwise the riflemen would have wiped them out. The scenes which showed
the flamethrowers at a distance confused the distances involved.

>But I was amazed at the amount of money they must have
>spent just for the few shots of the germans advancing, even the horses,
>in gas masks.  I can't think of any movie that have ever depicted
>a WWI gas attack in such detail and with so many extras.

Some of the footage seemed colorized to me... perhaps they got some old
war footage to supplement the modern stuff? Also, one of the battle field
shows through a viewfinder seemed computer generated.
Either way it was all very well done, and accurate for the most part.

-Geoff
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From: mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:34:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


	I agree with boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu, on the discussion of Young Indy.
While I enjoy the show, this is a STAR WARS newsnet, not a SW/Young Indy
net.  Until this becomes the Star Wars/Lucasfilm (or eventually the Lucasfilm)
news net (like the Fan Club) Let's stick to Star Wars.  If you want to talk
about Indy, post it on the tv newsnet or Create an INDIANA JONES newsnet.
	Most of us read this for info on Star Wars (past, present, future)
and are getting sick of seeing posts dealing with Lucasfilm (or ILM) 
related projects  (eg. Jurassic Park, Young Indy) 
	
	On a STAR WARS related note, I still haven't received my issue
of Lucasfilm Magazine (the one with the Lucas interview).  The people at
the Lucasfilm Fan Club said it will be shipped out Oct. 9.  It's being
sent to my home, so unless I get it the 10th, I won't be able to post 
it until the 27th (the next time I'll be back from home).
)
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From: golden@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Timothy A. Goldenburg)
Subject: SW: Letterbox ?
Keywords: letterbox
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:45:57 GMT

Someone posted something about the Letterbox gift pack of Star Wars from
Suncoast going for about $99.  Does anyone know if there is a similar gift
pack for Laser Discs and around how much it is going to run?

Thanx

Tim
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ILM is for amateurs
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:07:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct4.010733.2050
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <92277.221516SXM126@psuvm.psu.edu> SXM126@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>
>    YOU KNOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH FAITH EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP PLACES IN
>GEORGE LUCAS' ILM. WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS. I MEAN C'MON, WHO CAN'T DO STOP GO
>ANIMATION NOWADAYS. AND AS FAR AS A NEW STAR WARS MOVIE WITH NEW EFFECTS, HE
>BETTER CAN IT NOW. STAR WARS WILL NEVER MATCH UP TO STAR TREK'S FIRST SEASON
>OF FX.
>    AS FAR AT T2, I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY PAY MONEY FOR
>THAT MOVIE. I MEAN I COULD DO MORPHING ON MY COMMADORE VIC 20. THERE HAS TO
>BE SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO AGREES WITH ME, THERE ARE MORE RESPECTABLE FX COM-
>PANIES OUT THERE, GIVE THEM A CHANCE.
>
>                              -MANG


Hhhhmmmmmmm.....Care to fill us in on what your smoking?

Granted, lots of comapnies can do stop animation, blah, blah, but the fact
remains that a lot of "small comapnies" who you say deserve a chance, that,
well, they suck... My point of reference being Star Trek V....Some nasty
jobs done there....by a small comapny...

ILM is more the company who *DEVELOPES* the procedures for all these neat
effects that the small companies can (now) do just as good (or not)....

Dave
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From: EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:05:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92273.130523EMW107
 <1992Sep29.124247.6330@meaddata.com> <BvCEwr.I0E@news.udel.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

In article <BvCEwr.I0E@news.udel.edu>, paris@brahms.udel.edu (Paris H Magasiny)
says:
>However, I was wondering just what audience they are trying to target.
>The intensity of the battle scenes on this weeks show were enough to
>make me very uncomfortable....and I believe that was the intent--to
>show how hellish war is.  But if they are aiming for a fairly young, say
>teenage audience (which they seem to be with their young star) then I
>would think the violence was very strong for an 8 p.m. time slot?
>
>Comments?

   I also felt the violence was pretty strong for an 8 pm time slot. But for
this slot alone. They could have slid it back an hour. 'Nuff said.
   The battle scenes were great. The explosions were really engineered well
with the "flying bodies", and really done very tasteful. The scene that really
had an emotional effect on me was the gasmask scene where a soldier asked Indy
for his mask because he couldn't find his own. Wow. That was gripping, and
maybe a bit too much for an 8 o'clock slot. But war is war. And war is violent
..and I comment George for keeping it in good taste.
   Hmm...is George ticked off or something? It sure looks that way :)

                                     -Ed

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Z-95?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:08:02 GMT

In article <mumble> alfordjj@fe720.cc.purdue.edu (Jared Alford) writes:
>
>	I believe what Luke said was along the lines of a T-?? (can't remember
>the number off the top of my head), which I believe is an airspeeder. I really
>wouldn't expect a Tatooine farmboy to be flying around in a military starfighter.

I believe Luke called it a "T-16".






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From: dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO)
Subject: Anakin Skywalker & Obi Wan
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:47:30 GMT


	ROTJ was shown in Melbourne last nite, and there was the scene
	where Obi Wan told Luke about Anakin. This reminded me of 
	an earlier post regarding Vader's breathing, where he seemed
	to have fallen into a lava pit while fighting Obi Wan....
	"He's more machine than man now..." something like that.
	Is this what Obi Wan was referring to. 

	BTW, is this fight documented somewhere? ie. is that part
	of a dialogue in one of the 3 movies? If not, where did this
	piece of info come from ?

	Thanks in advance.

May thy fortunes go with thee.

Darren				 dyko@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au 
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:41:40 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles

In article <1aap5dINNqm4@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne
Martin) says:
>
>        I agree with boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu, on the discussion of Young Indy.
>While I enjoy the show, this is a STAR WARS newsnet, not a SW/Young Indy
>net.  Until this becomes the Star Wars/Lucasfilm (or eventually the Lucasfilm)
>news net (like the Fan Club) Let's stick to Star Wars.  If you want to talk
>about Indy, post it on the tv newsnet or Create an INDIANA JONES newsnet.

    First of all, rec.arts.tv is availible, but not to everybody. In light of
this, and the fact that Young Indy is a Lucasfilm project, I thought for the
best interest, that this would be as appropriate or even more appropriate
than posting JUST on rec.arts.tv. It is not feasible to start an Indiana
Jones newsgroup. We all know that. Is it really bothering you that much
that some people post about a sidetrack of Star Wars (I mean c'mon, they
even said a Star Wars quote on Young Indy last week!)

>        Most of us read this for info on Star Wars (past, present, future)
>and are getting sick of seeing posts dealing with Lucasfilm (or ILM)
>related projects  (eg. Jurassic Park, Young Indy)

      Wow. Didn't know it bothered you that much. All I know, since about
May, this newsgroup has gone to hell 'cus of "limiting" this group to JUST
Star Wars all the time. I've been "marking and bailing" 95% of this group
because it's so drab. "Admiral Ozzel a rebel spy?" I think most of these
posts are an INSULT to Star Wars, let alone about them. Since I have to put up
with sorting through the "trash", can't you bend the rules a little bit just
to see if there is a demand for Young Indy here? If not, I have no problems,
just let me see who on this newsgroup does like talk of OTHER Lucasfilm
projects and I'll contact them via e-mail.
   Finally, it intrigues me how you can be sick of talk about Lucasfilm, and
speak so faithfully about Star Wars. I just think there are more important
things to be baggin' about, like one-line-follow-up-posts-that-think-they're-
funny-but-really-aren't.
  (Flamethrower off...)

                                     -Ed

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P.S. If you're questioning my knowledge and faithfulness to Star Wars, don't.
From: jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Vaders death
Date: 2 Oct 1992 22:42:12 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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X-Unparseable-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 13:41:41 GMT-10:00

Umm, why exactly DID Vader die????
Luke withstood MUCH more than Vader from the emporer
whats the story?

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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: UNIX uncompress for VMS...
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:58:55 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.


	lzdcmp.exe will uncompress unix-compressed files.  Use Archie to find
it, or look in wuarchive.wustl.edu

	Also, lzcomp.exe will compress them in unix-compress format.

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From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: Episodes I-III on tv?
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:15:38 GMT

>Star Wars: Holiday/Thanksgiving Special (TV)

Is this one on video?

				Ron

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Borg implants mentioned in Heir to the Empire?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 07:40:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.035310.24643@Princeton.EDU> subbarao@fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao) writes:
>So what's the deal here? On page 50 (and in a couple other areas) of "Heir to 
>the Empire" (the Lucasfilm-authorized continuation of the Star Wars saga by 
>Timothy Zahn) they refer ``Borg implants'' on spaceships. Is something fishy
>here? I thought the `Borg' was a Star TREK initiated thing, not Star WARS.

"Borg" is a common shortening of the word "cyborg," which is the shortened form
of "cybernetic organism". Which is a machine/being that is a meld of cybernetic,
or robotic, components, and organic, or living, tissues. The concept of "'Borgs"
has been around for along time, probably since before either Star Trek or Star
Wars came out...


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From: haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..)
Subject: Re: Anakin's last words
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:32:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

TELL YOUR SISTER....THAT YOU WERE RIGHT...YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT ME

reffering to there discussion earlier on ENDOR, when Luke told Leia that
he still had good in him

or he might have said

TEll YOUR SISTER...THAT YOU WERE RIGHT...(gasp)YOU'RE ON MY GROIN!!!!


rick

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