From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: The EVIL Conspiracy behind this "Men's Choice" thing...
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:02:44 GMT

Dave, for someone who is supposedly so filled with God's presence, your
posting is loaded with vective and venom.  I would expect more control
and discussion, rather than an outright tirade.

smile1@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (gray,david l) writes:

>Sue

>I stated in religious terms three things that should also be clear in
>your own.  But to put it in clear terms.  This crap about the child being
>everything is crap.  I see our country with its lowest moral values ever.

This is supposed to make me optimistic?  If I would share your attitude,
then what country should I move to?

>Your idea benefiting the child through money and without moral values
>stinks.  I am the son of a divorced family and your idea of an system without
>God ruined a lot of my life. I hated it!!!  The hate it produced kept my
>mother and father at war and I suffer greatly.  Believe it or not, it was
>through God that I survived not this money grubing crap.

Dave, you seem to still have a lot of anger inside of you.  I thought God
brought tranquility?  He does for me, but I don't have to end my sentences
with triple exclamation points.

>Second, I am now the father of two daughters.  Divorce has ruined my relation
>ship with them and I pray to God to keep them safe!

How has the divorce ruined your relationship with them?  Isn't anything
salvageable?  I'm sorry, but your attitude is self-defeating.

>You may thing scripture is sexiest but it is the only place where people are
>expected to be treated with love and kindness.  We teach our children their 
>worst self center values in it.  Take a look at our country.  We walk past 
>starving men, women, and children in your non-God approach to things.

So, do you do anything about homelessness in our country?  Do you volunteer
time at Thanksgiving or Christmas or just any cold night to pass out free
food or clothing or blankets?  Do you give away vegetables from your own
garden so that others may eat?  Do you open your home to families with children
so that they can sleep someplace warm for a night?  Some of us have done and
are doing the above things.  It may not solve *ALL* the problems, but any
little thing I can do to even help one human is better, in my opinion, than
nothing at all.  I may not be able to help everyone, but I'll continue to do
what I can and hope it makes a difference and hope others try to do at least
one thing too.  All it takes is a little help from as many people as possible,
instead of merely ranting about it on the net.

>Please!!!  Get a life.  

This is a Christian thing to say?  

>The war is not about the childs best interest.  It is
>clearly about greed.  I have been on both ends all of my life.  The American
>divorce system has never benefited me as a child or as an adult but God
>alsways has.

>Last, take a close look at what racism and sexism.  They go right along the
>same lines.  They start out with greed and rationalize themselves with the
>old standard of who is more important  "White or Black",  Men or Women,  and
>now "Child or Parent".  As soon as your type of attitude is allowed to exist
>of who is more important someone gets distroyed for the sake of the other.
>We are all here with equal importants to serve God not our own self interest!!!

>"Child most important" is the best lie the court systems has ever come
>up with to create hate between people since Jim Crow came up with "Equal but
>separate" for white's and black's.  But, my real opion is the Author is
>the same and the results are know different.  White people crap on blacks
>for the sake of who is most important and women crap on men for the sake
>of the child.  The funiest thing is you would rather make a deal with
>Satan and deny God.  Your system doesn't even come close to love, piece, and
>family values.  Hate consumes you and your families as it mine!!!  The answer
>is not greed through this system

>The answer is with God and treating people as equals!!!  There is no 
>other choice!!!  You are so lost.  Families will create hate and sell
>each other out over material things and short term game.  This country
>spends more or lawyers than it does on anything else.  Are any of you
>really ever happier when you have finished with them.  Have you any direction
>on how to move from where you are?  Do you know how to treat each other after
>the fighting is done?  No!!!  You hate to the end the fighting never stops
>and you get contracts before you ever get married again!  Only to find out
>what Danald Trump found out.  Contracts can not stop greed and hate!

>Take time to think about it.

Dave, I think you need to take some time with your Pastor/Preacher and work
out your anger.  You state that "Contracts can not stop greed and hate!", yet
you *seem* to clearly have a lot of hate inside of you.  Why not look past
the hate and try a little love and forgiveness?

allen
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