HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Now that's championship racing!
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:31:33 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

<BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>  Well, my main man didn't win, but it was still and AWESOME championship
>  race. CONGRATS to Alan Kulwicki. If anyone deserves it more than Bill
>  it is he. What a race. It had it all. Yeah Ernie, ya finally made up
>  for taking Bill out at Daytona 28 races ago. ;-)  Have to hand it to Davey
>  tho no whining for a change. As I've heard many times, you have to loose one
>  to win one. Yet, here's AK winning it all and I don't remember him being
>  in the hunt on the last race. What a race! F1 and Indycar, eat your heart
>  out.

Well, I am happy for Kulwicki....I'd have preferred Bill E., but hey, and
Independant Owner/Driver winning!  Wow!  And what a race!

How about that reverse lap??? ;-)

And the King....out in a blaze....

BTW...here's what I predicted 3 weeks ago...:-)


>Date: 14 Oct 92 15:21:49 GMT
>Message-ID: <adams.719076109@spssig>
>
>  1. Kulwicki
>  2. Elliott
>  3. Allison
>  4. Martin
>  5. Petty
>  6. Gant
>
>I think Bill & Davey will stay ahead of everybody except Kulwicki, who is
>the only guy in the top 4 who looks like he wants to win it.  Petty looks
>good, but he needed a better first half...

Not bad...;-) (pat's self on back)....Got the first 3 dead on.

 -Steve
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From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Subject: Re: IndyCar v F1, retiring, old men, etc <long
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:36:40 GMT
Reply-To: andyw@meaddata.com

In article 14608@tamsun.tamu.edu, pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes:
then F1 is a younger man's series, and IndyCar is a natural
>step for a hot, but older, driver to 'graduate' to. Sorta
>like 'the seniors' tour', if you will. F1 is more of a sprint
>series, whereas IndyCar is more of a mini-endurance deal.
>Its a hell of a lot harder to go from being a very successful
>endurance-type driver to a sprint-type; and, frankly, who
>would want to? Lets face it, the pace of the F1 lifestyle
>is nasty! Not appealing to the kind of folks IndyCar drivers
>tended to be.  Michael and Lil Al are the first IndyCar drivers
>with the skill, youth, and flexibility to give it a go.
>
>	On a related tack, guys like Foyt and MaAndretti went over
>and did well at LeMans partly because they were good and partly
>because they knew how to drive "slow enough to win." I hope
>Michael hasn't learned IndyCar techniques too well.....Nah!
>
Some good points about differences between F1 and Indycar culture.
The lesser preasure helps explain why so many Indycar drivers still
want to race after they have a good bankroll and may not be the most
competetive.  Whereas F1 has drivers sitting out even when they are
at the top of their game.

Also, I know wife shots are pretty annoying during racing, but I do
wonder, how many F1 drivers are married with families?  Seems like 
most Indycar drivers are, but you rarely seem to hear about F1 wives.
I guess keeping your race travel mostly on one continent would be
easier on families.

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:23:12 EST
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Cheever have a ride? (Was: Ganassi/Luyendyk)

Cheever is just an ok driver. He is nothing special. He did nothing in
F1 and nothing in IndyCars. Maybe its not him, maybe its the teams.
The rest of the team may work better with Luyendyk. Maybe the team has
lost faith in Eddie.

Jonathan Swaby
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From: lls@kings.demon.co.uk (Lady Lodge Systems)
Subject: Re: Renault reliability Re: Senna and braking
Organization: Lady Lodge Systems
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:27:29 GMT

In article <thos.721864156@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <721573383.11363@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>>Lady Lodge Systems (lls@kings.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>>: 
>>: It might be worth bearing in mind the consistent failure mode of the
>>: Williams Renault's this year. Patrese stopped with engine failure, Mansell
>>: was going a lot slower than Senna expected - Does this add up?
>
>I wouldn't think so - Mansell would probably have slowed a whole lot
>more quickly than he did. And even he would probably steer to the 
>side of the circuit.

I read somewhere (Autosport?) a comment from 'the Williams team' that
said the telemetry on Mansell's car showed the traction control doing
'strange things' just before the crash.  I still think that No5 had a
technical problem that caused the dramatic change of line and speed.

On the whole, I find it amusing that Berger was chastised for changing
speed and direction (going into the pits) causing Patrese to run into
the back of him, but when Mansell does the same sort of thing (dramatic
change of speed and direction from the racing line), Senna is the one
who's 'blamed'.
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From: comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Yet more trivia from Autosport (Answers -- finally!)
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:01:58 GMT

In article <8720@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Gabriele F. Giuliani) writes:
> ... wait a moment, .. a plane? I thought the great Graham Hill died in a
> damn helicopter crash. Can anyone confirm/wet this? gfg
> 
> 

   It was definately a plane crash, as he and his team were returning
to England from a 1975 test at Paul Ricard. What was the name of his
very promising young English driver, also killed in the crash? 
Tony Brise or something?


   Sylvan.
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From: TBACKMAN@FINABO.ABO.FI (Timo B{ckman TF)
Subject: Sauber test
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:09:18 GMT
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The rumor about Senna going to Sauber can be buried. Saubers drivers for
1993, Karl Wendlinger and JJ Lehto, have tested for Sauber yesterday at
Paul Ricard. Lehto drove 40 laps with the C12 car and his fastest lap was
1.04,7. In 1990 Nigel Mansell got ther pole with a time 1.04,402 (special
tyres). The fastest lap in the race 1990 was set by NM, 1.08,012. JJ Lehto
was very pleased to drive "a good car" after a terrible year at Dallara.
The C12 is built according to the 1992 regulations.

Karl Wendlinger drove a few laps (only 3 laps) with the new C13 which is 
built for the 1993 season. His fastest lap was 1.06,5. He was not happy 
with the car. 

That's all about the test. Maybe Robert Marti can get more information.

Timo B{ckman
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From: comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Yet more trivia from Autosport (Answers -- finally!)
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:55:12 GMT

 I have included the "correct" answers, as far as can be figured out, under
> each question.  Has Autosport printed the answers yet?

[ questions 1 and 2 deleted ]

>>    3. What links Dick Seaman, Stirling Moss and Peter Collins?
>      >> They are all British, and all died in crashes.  Possibly all drove
> 	for Mercedes or ERA.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  I'm not sure that the great Stirling Moss, alive and well at the age of 
about 62, will agree completely with the answer to question 3. Maybe it has
something to do with where in Britain they were born or raised or went to
school. Anything. It's definately not how they died because Moss most
definately didn't.

> [ \tom haapanen  |  "only auto racing, bullfighting and mountain climbing are ]
> [ tomh@wes.on.ca |   sports -- all others are only games" -- ernest hemingway ]
> [ waterloo engineering software |     "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]

  Sylvan.
From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 93: Back to the Future for GB!
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:39:37 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk ()
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Greetings.

As many of you know, the 1993 Autopolis Asian GP has been cancelled due
to financial problems for the circuit administrators.  The race will therefore
be replaced in the calendar by...






DONINGTON PARK CIRCUIT, GB!  This is great news (although I *WOULD* say that,
wouldn't I? :-)  The circuit owner, Tom Wheatcroft, has been trying for years
to hold an F1 race, and a few years ago, even tried to organise a non-
championship race, called the Donington Gold Cup, which fell through at the 
last moment.  

The circuit is approx 2.5miles long, and it does have a long straight followed
by a tight chicane, so overtaking is VERY possible.  There are also several
other overtaking points, and it has an interesting combination of fast sweepers
(the Craner Curves), and the obligatory mickey-mouse bits (esses, Melbourne
hairpin, and Goddards hairpin).  I'll post a more detailed description of the
circuit if it is required (and I some other kind soul doesn't beat me to it!
:-)  It hosts the British Motorcycle GP, and F3000, Sportscars, Touring Cars
(German and British!), etc all have annual events there.


Cheers,

	Obi.

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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: US Citizenship (was: Andretti)
Keywords: F1, Indy, American
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:20:02 GMT

In article <18NOV199212314113@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
|> >Someone else mentioned that Mario was born in Italy. I just want
|> >to mention that you don't have to be born in the USA to be an American,
|> >I am a living example.
|> 
|> Does that mean that if Mansell lives in Clearwater, FL, then he is American 
|> and not British?

No.  Mansell is British (or subject of Her Majesty, the Queen,
if you prefer) according to the approriate sections of the
British Nationality Act.

He could become American (US citizen, to be precise) if he
- obtains permanent resident status in the US (the so-called
  Green Card, which is actually more blue/turquoise than green)
- applies for American citizenship after having had permanent
  resident status in the US for at least 5 years
- and finally passes some examination about US history.

In the case of Mario Andretti, I think his father (Aldo?) went
through the above process many many years ago.

Note that US citizens who were not born as such cannot
become president of the USA.  I mention this because some
people claim that this is the only reason why  Henry "Do you
know where he is" Kissing-her, Secretary of State under Richard
"Tricky Dicky" "I'm not a crook" Nixon and later under Gerald
"can't walk and chew gum at the same time" Ford, never became
president of the US.

What all of this has to do with r.a.s is of course another
question ...

PS: In case you are wondering:  No, I am not a US citizen.
    And no, I didn't flunk the US history test, but only
    because I never took it ;-)

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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: Re: I asked Michael
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:18:48 GMT

In article <37054@cbmvax.commodore.com> bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking) writes:
>>
>>I'll be damned!  Another person who respects Mario!  Let's see now...
>>that brings the total up to five of us in r.a.s., by my count.
>>You made my day.
>
>In article <1992Nov13.155810.8212@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>Make it six.
>
Do I hear seven?  Why yes, I think I do!


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From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Ferrari F1 rumours
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:34:50 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
In Autocar and Motor , it says that Alesi is a very unhappy man at the moment
because Berger has absolute number 1 status in the team ...

Also , the 'definitive' new Ferrari chassis may make it's debut in June '93 , as
opposed to the start of the '94 season .......


Stephen Quigg
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From: humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell brake tests Senna
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:21:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:

>>Mansell is a real pussy for not wanting to race Prost.  James Hunt
>>thinks he should stop whinging and just get on and race Prost.  Hunt
>>said something like - he should get in a Williams and try to show that
>>he deserves the world championship by beating Prost - and if he can't,
>>at least put up a good fight.  Can we infer that Hunt thinks Prost is
>>better than Mansell?

>I think that Mansell has had enough of F1 and its politics. Note that
>he's not retiring, he taking a voluntary pay cut of more than, what, $10M?
>To me that says 'fed up with this', not 'better get out while I'm on top'.

What about trying to avoid racing Prost and looking bad by taking a pay
cut??!

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From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Subject: Re: Donington Park GP
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:15:07 GMT

Answering my own questions department:

The FOSA off-season hotline reports that the schedule for the first
three events of the 1993 F1 season has been revised:

	South Africa (Kyalami)		14 March
	Brazil (Interlagos)		28 March
	Europe (Donington Park, GB)	11 April (probably)

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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Only 92 days left til ....... Daytona! <spoilers -- NASCAR>
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:37:09 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Nov15.223536.22597@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes:
>	Davey was steadily 'surviving' the run in around 9th
>position when Ernie Irvan, all by himself, lost the rear end on
>the 4 car and spun -- taking Davey out. Davey had been rapped

  I don't think Ernie took Davey out. Davey went out as the result of
 -=>his<=- hitting Ernie's car. Yes Ernie was going slow and a bit less
 than straight, but he wasnt going backwards and/or aiming for Davey.

  If Ernie timed that spin and then drove down and up the track while
 setting up to hit (RAM) Davey. Hes the best damn driver out there!

  Like my "Sena's an Ass' maeesage started a roll, I think this type of
 comment will do the same. 

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From: anderbea@columbia.dsu.edu (Anthony Anderberg)
Subject: Mario (was US Cit)
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:26:52 GMT

I think Aldo was Mario's brother.  If I remember correctly (and I seldom do) 
they raced togather early in Mario's carrer until Aldo was in a serious 
accident and got hurt badly.
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Prost won't race #0 next year
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:09:07 GMT

In <10292320.7134.20157@kcbbs.gen.nz> Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing) writes:

>Dan Jones wrote
>>
>>According to last Thursday's AutoSport, Prost refuses to race
>>#0 next season.  I say screw him, if he doesn't have a #0 on
>>the side of his car, his laps don't count.  Its time for FISA
>>to flex a little muscle.
>I must agree, as a Timekeeper cars with incoreect numbers and hard to
>see numbers are a pain in the butt. The way that Team Willy will get
>around this problem is to have either difficult to read or ambiguos
>numbers ala the Brabhams when they had that LCD style number and the two
>cars could  get badly confused.

I thought that all lap counting/timing in F1 was done automatically by
computers & transmitter thingos in the cars.

Doigman.
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From: brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims)
Subject: Re: Yet more trivia from Autosport (Answers -- finally!)
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:30:25 PST

In article <8720@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Gabriele F. Giuliani) writes:
>... wait a moment, .. a plane? I thought the great Graham Hill died in a
>damn helicopter crash. Can anyone confirm/wet this? gfg

Yes it was a plane, I believe he lost an engine on takeoff in some twin-engined
machine. Hard to recover from that sometimes.

George Brims
From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:39:16 GMT
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chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
: From article <9211091252.AA07676@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, by Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk:
: > something in the rules about things not moving but somehow this has
: > been got round. Lawyers have been through the rule book backwards this
: > last four months.
: 
: I would not bet on it.  If what you say is true, sounds to me like some 
: solicitor has led someone up the garden path.

And, moreover, even if the rules allow such not-movable-aerodynamic
devices,  FISA still can arbitarily disallow such devices. Or
change the rules.  Even Colin Chapman was beaten by FISA's
interpretation of their rule book.
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From: PHT007%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Cat among the pigeons!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:12:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Everyone is probably going to flame me for this, but here goes anyway.

Did everyone notice how great the Australian GP was AFTER Mansell and Senna had
gone out. We had two top rate real racers racing hard against each other. This
was exciting, thrilling and true racing, especially when Schumacher did not
give up his chase until it was over. In all it was a classic F1 race, more like
the days of old which most people harp on about (I did not see them being a fan
only since 1987), there were no politics involved, no-one was angry at another
driver. It seems to me that the maim protaginists for bringing down the
reputation of Formula one with all thier political bickering are Mr Mansell and
Mr Senna. It is a shame that they also happen to be the two best drivers
around, but if they can't race and accept things as they are without moaning
all the time then I would rather they didn't participate,so I say goodbye to
both Mansell and Senna for 1993 (and hopefully for good) and good ridance!!!
Unfortunately Prost also comes unde this catagory, and I hope to see him
finally retire too.

It is time for change. It is time for those who often promise much but are left
out in the cold by those who care only for themselves and not for the sport. It
is time for true, honest, fair, and above all FUN motor racing.

Heres to Michael Schumacher, Johnny Herbert, Michael Andretti, Mika Hakkinen,
Damon Hill, Karl Wendlinger and the rest who are a credit to the sport.

Dirk Gently, Holistic Detective.

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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:53:50 GMT

In <yogi.721919412@coombs> yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip) writes:

>I seem to recall the B187 Benetton had front wings that did this
>thanks to their mounting system. I got the chance to sit in it, and 
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>up close it looked like they might do it, but who knows from just
> a brief look?


WOW ... they didn't let you take it for a spin, huh ?

Doigman.
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From: danno@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Gary Soiney)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Re: IMSA history (was Nissan and IMSA)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:41:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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the reason nascar racing is so close is that anytime anyone even gets sideways
the yellow flag comes out along with a pace car.  if there werent so many artificial yellow flag periods the races wouldnt be so close


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