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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 04:21:13 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Satellite

<1992Aug25.061847.5761@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL LAROCQUE) :
>  What is the fascination with the NFC east?
>  OK, so they've won two or three Super Bowls during 1980-1992, but I
>  have the following to say:

First, go look up a history book or two.  I believe the number of Super
Bowls is a little higher.

>  1. New Orleans has an NFC East type defense, but they are "irrelevant"?

To the NFC East, yes.

>  2. The 49ers have won four Super Bowls, but they are "irrelevant"?

Which division has produced the last two SB winners in a row?

>  3. Buffalo only lost to the Giants (who beat the 49ers) by one point,
>     but they are "irrelevant"?

How many SB wins do they have again?

>  4. Kansas City is fast becoming an awesome power in the AFC, but they are
>     "irrelevant"?

KC is only a few players away from a SB appearance.

>  5. Detroit reached the NFC Championship (unlike Dallas), but are "irrelevant"?
I agree with you here.  Talk about your smoke and mirrors.

>  It's time that all those who go for teams outside the NFC East to finally
>  stand up and defend their team. I happen to like Philadelphia not because
>  they are in the NFC East, but because I admire their CLASS. CAPICHE?

"Class"?  Philadelphia?  The Eagles??  I think there's an oxymoron or
three in here somewhere.

>  To me, a certain football team is my favorite because:
>     1. They have class.
>     2. They are not overblown by the media to epic proportions.

Really?  I saw that Philly is an early favorite to win the SB.  Pretty
bold talk for a team that has very *few* playoff game wins.

>     3. The fans that follow the team are not so obnoxious that you get sick
>        of hearing the name!

Bet me.

>     4. The team is not one that has a huge bandwagon filled with "wagoneers"!

See how many fall off when Cunningham retires.

Seriously, Philly is a good team.  I take offense when you denigrate the
accomplishments of the rest of the division (i.e. quite a few SB
appearances and wins).


Gordon
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins Position Chart - 8/26/92
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:52:43 GMT

In article <24205@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>     Washington Redskins Chart
>       as of August 26, 1992
>
>* denotes player was on 1991 roster
>
>No.  Player          Pos.  Hgt.  Wgt.  Comment
>--   --------------  ---   ---   ---   -------
>Tight Ends:
>36   Ray Rowe         TE   6-2   256
>49   Gary Wilkins     TE   6-2   248
>82 * John Brandes     TE   6-2   249
>85 * Don Warren       TE   6-4   242
>87 * Ron Middleton    TE   6-2   270
>88 * James Jenkins    TE   6-2   234
>89   Terry Orr        TE   6-2   235
>
Steve, I know this must have been an oversight.  Terry Orr was on last
year's team, after returning from San Diego.  He made some great
plays.

schalene
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Falcons News (Was Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!)
Keywords: Satellite
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:09:06 GMT
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vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:

>I'll start: Anyone out there know where Rison is these days? When is he, or IS
>he going to sign? And did Deion choose baseball, or did Atlanta extend his
>deadline again? Being in Boston, I don't hear much from the South... Thanks...

    Haven't heard anything about Rison, but I did hear on the radio this
morning that Deion has decided to finish out the season with the Braves
and then play for the Falcons. This means he will miss at least the
first 6 games, and possibly the first 8 if the Braves make it all the
way to the World Series.

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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Rison Signs...Dishman Trade Fel Through
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:13:39 GMT

In today's Washington Post, the following appeared in the "Around the 
NFL" column.....

"Two-time Pro Bowl WR Andre Rison agreed to terms with the Atlanta
Falcons.  Financial terms weren't announced but the Falcons reportedly
had offered $700,000.  They had tried to trade him to Houstong for CB
Cris Dishman and a high-round draft choice, but the deal fell
through..."

schalene
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chicago Q'Back
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:12:29 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

greenfie@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Steve Greenfield) writes:

>Doesn't Chicago have a rookie quarterback from Virginia Tech?  I should
>remember his name; is it Will Furer (or something like that)?  I believe
>he is a lefty.  What happened to him?  There was an article in our
>collegiate newspaper that said he was going to be on a show Thursday
>broadcast by WGN.  Is this true?

The Bears waived QB Paul Justin, last year's 3rd string QB, and kept
Will Furrer as a backup to Harbaugh and Willis.  From what I saw of
Furrer in the two nationally televised preseason games, I was impressed.
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From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (WCK)
Subject: NEED INFO:
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:10:12 GMT

ANY INFO OR PRE-SEAS.STATS WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY ON:

  Delpino RB LArams
  Byars RB Phil.
  Slaughter WR Clev.
  Hoge RB Pitt.
  Fenner RB Cinn.

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From: ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin)
Subject: Re: Now Byars (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:04:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.124557.21778@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>I agree that Herschel has more speed than Byars, and I certainly hope that
>you are right about Herschel being able to put up good offensive numbers,
>but don't go spewing this nonsense about Byars being an NFL scrub.  Keith
>Byars gives 110% every play every game.  He may not have the blazing speed,
>but he can run over people like a runaway tractor trailer.  Byars also has
>great hands and is an excellent receiver.  And the man can flat out block.
>You are right though about Byars not being in the backfield with Herschel
>on opening day, Heath Sherman will have that honor, because Byars will be
>at TE.  Which shows his versatility and his attitude towards team play.
>But rest assured, if Keith Jackson signs or Mo Johnson gets healthy, Byars
>and Walker will be doing time together in the Eagles backfield.  I don't
>think there is a team in the league that wouldn't want Keith Byars a
>member of it.
>
>Well, Herschel will be given the chance in Philadelphia this season.
>I hope you're right!
>
Joe, I agree with you about Byars, I think he could make the
probowl as a TE, he is that good, but as a RB though, once he gets the ball
in the backfield he seems to need a lot of (momentum or) room before
he hits the line. It seems his initial 3-4 steps are short and choppy and
he is almost standing straight up .

He (Byars) reminds alot of Earl Campbell(SP?) the way he runs over people.

>Joe Dakes
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: NFC Central Prediction
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:01:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.090649.734@calmasd.prime.com>,
wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:
>>>              1.  Vikings (of course)...great offense,great defense
>>>              2.  Lions...Peete isn't a divison champ quarterback
>>>              3.  Bears...not the same ol' Bears
>>>              4.  Packers...blew alot of leads last year(vikings,falcons)
>>>              5.  Buccaneers...they suck
>>>
>>
>> Swap places between the Bears and Vikings and I might agree with
>> you.  I seriously doubt that Green can step in and produce an
>> instant winner.  There is talent, but still a lot of shady areas.
>> Maybe in a year or two they may regain their form and once
>> again become a force in the NFC Central.
>>
>>                                                   Tony
>>                                                GO 49ERS!!!


>        I don't know if I agreee with either of these predictions & I don't
>know if the Lions will have what it takes to repeat either.
>        People keep saying the NFC Central is a weak division -- compared to
>who?  The NFC West?  Rams & Tampa are two similar teams.  The NFC East?  Switch
>helmets & I don't think you could tell Phoenix from Tampa, or the Giants from
>Green Bay.

I'll agree with you on the Phoenix/Tampa statement, but no way are
the Packers as good as the Giants.  To be honest, I would say
that the Vikings have a better chance at a wild card then the
Packers do.  The Packers are in far worse condition then Denny's
team.

>        I think that NFC Central is a division that's going to *maybe* send
>three teams to the playoffs.
>        Minnesota was 8-8 last year, and, be it pre-season or not, they
>*really* stomped on their opponents.  They could be a team to surprise a few
>people this year.

No way will the NFC Central send 3 teams into the playoffs. Come on,
I can think of 5 other teams that are much better then the Vikings.
The Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Saints, 49ers all come to mind.
I would say that the Cowboys are the weakest of the bunch though.
Hell, you can't be too quick to count out the Falcons either. Losing
two top DB's is really going to hurt them.

>        The Vikes are done paying for Hershel and have been competitive during
>that time, so once they get a few years worth of #1s & 2s under their belts...
>Ouch.  Look out.
>
>walter

Isn't this pretty much what I said up above? Give um' two or three
years and I would say the will be right back up there!

                                                          Tony
                                                       GO 49ERS!!!
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From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:55:22 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug26.145538.24786@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:
|> (these are'nt based on any stats, and I also expect disagreement from
|> fellow NFC East netters as well as fans of other teams).
|> Defense:
|> 	the best defensive line Eagles
Agreed.
|> 	the second best defensive line: GIANTS
Not any more.
|> 	the best linebackers (as a unit) the GIANTS
The Saints.
|> 	the best defensive unit (at least last year) the Skins
The Eagles.
|> 	Every team in the NFL is looking for the next LT or a R.White.
And a Dick Butkus, and a Bruce Smith, and a Ronnie Lott, and a....
|> 	two of the best defensive players to ever play their positions.
|> 
|> Offense:
|> 	Dave Megget
|> 	Cunningham 
|> 	Phill Simms
|> 	Those 3 great wide outs in DC.
|> 	Emmit Smith.
|> 	Rodney Hampton
|> 	Keth Jackson
|> 	Ricky Ervins
|> 	2 of the best offensive line in the NFL.
|> 	Roy Green (who?)
|> 	Keth Byers
|> 	Ricky Prohel(SP?) of the cards
|> 	Johnny Johnson of the cards
|> 	etc
|> 
|> Right now the skins have the best mix (run/pass) offense of any team
|> in the NFL (the 9ers used to be like the this). The Eagles are an
|> Offensive line and a good running game away from that "mix" and the
|> GIANTS have the "mix" but because of youth and inexperience at coaching,
|> is at least a year away.
|> The Cowboys are an OL line away from the that "mix".
|> 
|> I prefer a great OL and a great running game over an all out passing 
|> game and Great defense and a average offense.
|> "In Football, good hitting beats good pitching most of the time"
|> 
|> >>   It's time that all those who go for teams outside the NFC East to finally
|> >>   stand up and defend their team. [...]
|> 
|> I wish they would espesially K.C, Browns, Saints, Jets and Raiders fans.
|> all these teams have good defense and with the exeception of the Browns
|> have very good running games.
|> >
|> >Nobody is saying the NFC East has your favorite teams.  They are just saying
|> >that the NFC East has the _best_ teams.
|> 
|> ditto 8{D.
|> 
|> 

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer notes
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 31 AUG 92 12:50:41    

In article <1992Aug31.162857.18482@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes...

>Speculation in the Packer press (Packer Plus or Packer Report--I can't
>remember which) was that Cheek would be waived, Mandarich placed on
>IR, and Cheek re-signed.  If there's anyone else about to go on IR
>tomorrow, more of these guys could be back.

Yeah, I guess I was kinda surprised that they cut Cheek.  He's not 
very good but with Mandarich out he's about all they've got.  They 
might pick up an OL from another team instead.

>I wouldn't be surprised to see Jerry Evans on the practice squad
>tomorrow.

Is he eligible for the practice squad?  The P+ says he's got 1 year in 
the NFL already.  I think you can put a player from another team on 
the PS if he never played for them.  ie. Maybe he was on some other 
team's PS last year.

>>So the Packers went with only 2 TEs.  
> 
>What about the guy they traded for from the Jets?  I think they still
>have him, West, and Harris.

The Packer Report has a TE named Corwin Anthony and another named 
Charles Henry listed on the roster for last Saturday's game.  I don't 
remember hearing of a trade.  The Packer Plus doesn't have either 
listed (but then they have Ed West listed as a WR).  I think Anthony 
was cut last week.

I did forget to mention Dave McCloughan.  The Packers traded for 
McCloughan from the Colts.  He runs a 4.3 fourty and he'll wear #23 
with the Packers.  He was the Colts 3rd round pick last year.

>>And Greg Bell's comeback is over (at least with the Packers).

No comment here?  I kinda expected Bell to stick.  But like I've been 
saying - this staff is not one to keep a mediocre veteran in favor of 
a promising rookie.  Bell averaged only 3.3 yds/carry.  Still, he 
looked about as good as anybody.

JGH
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: Satellite
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:45:28 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug27.000508.17805@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:
>> 	Every team in the NFL is looking for the next LT
>
>     Except for the Cards, who found him in
>Ken Harvey.


Shh! Ralph thats supposed to be a secret you know that. The Cards have
no talent, we are a bunch of nobodies. We are no threat to any decent
team in the NFL.

Now if we can just make a decision with Johnny Johnson and get this
damn season underway!




Russ Smith
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From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo loses another player on Defense
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:51:08 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1815j8INN91e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>
>In a previous article, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) says:
>
>>One has to question what the general manager is thinking. The Defense is
>>already looked upon as one of the worst in the league, 27. And now they
>>are about to start the season without three of their defensive starters
>>from last year. SS Leonard Smith: cut from team, CB Kirby Jackson: unsigned
>>and DE Leon Seals: Traded.

This one surprised me, too.  Is Buffalo that deep at defensive line
that they can trade away the one defensive lineman that started all of
the games last year?  Sure, Smith may be back - but no one knows for
sure.  And I doubt that he'll have anything like the 18+ sack seasons
that he's had in the past.

It seems to me that Buffalo is very good at shooting themselves in the
foot.

>     I now like...well, each team has a major weakness now.  With the Bills
>it's defense, with the Dolphins it's defense, with the Jets it's inconsistent
>offense and the secondary, with the Oilers it's age and maybe receivers,
>with the Chiefs it's QB, perhaps, and definitely with the Raiders.  With
>the Broncos it's offensive line.

Well, before we all go discounting the Dolphin defense again this
year, they are in at least as good a situation as they were in 1990
when they ended up 7th in the league in total defense.

On the defensive line, Joe Greene is the new line coach.  This can't
help but make them better.  TJ Turner is having his best preseason
ever. Jeff Cross is playing and Oglesby is healthy - but look for
Klingbeil to start at NT.  

The linebackers have changed 3 players since the end of last year,
with the return of Offerdahl and Grimsley and the introduction of
Marco Coleman.

The DB's have JB Brown in and playing well and Troy Vincent can't help
but be better than Vestee Jackson.  And Oliver and Williams are very
good.

So let's wait and see before we count this defense as terrible.  As
far as I can tell, they seem to be in even better shape than they were
2 years ago.

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com>
	<auwen.714868064@convex.convex.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:37:19 GMT

In article <auwen.714868064@convex.convex.com> auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen) writes:

   In <1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:

   >What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
   >obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.

   It helps when half the passes are thrown your way.  I always thought Aikman
   threw to him too much.   Now maybe he'll throw to the wide receivers and
   Emmitt Smith instead.  

Yet another Cowboy basher.  The list grows.

Bill
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From: gjacknow@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Greg L. Jacknow)
Subject: Still looking for a fantasy football league to join.
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:07:05 GMT



If anyone knows of a fantasy football league that still has spaces open then
please give me a call.

Greg
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SHOCKING PREDICTIONS!!
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:45:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.78639
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <BtK6Mv.Dus@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jasdzews@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary James Jasdzewski) writes:
>Cleveland

Thanx for that chance to laugh out loud like a blithering idiot.  But then,
what should I expect from someone at a school that snaps up Fred Akers after
we run him out of Austin on a rail.  :-) :-) :-)

GO OILERS!  (Frankly, I think now is the time to kick the sonofabitch in.)



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From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: Cunningham hurt??
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:29:33 GMT

> = (Tom Wolf) writes:
>> = (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

>>Yes, Randall left the game in the first quarter with a pulled groin.  The
>>injury is not severe, but he will sit out Thursday's game with the Jets
>>to rest.  Jim McMahon was named the starter for the Eagles final preseason
>>game.  Randall will be ready to go when the Eagles open the '92 season
>>against the New Orlean Saints.

>Did anyone else see McMahon during the warmup sitting on the field and
>eating pizza? Even though the game was inside he had to wear sunglasses as
>he warmed up and watched the game. 

Just a side note: when McMahon was something like 9 years old, he was
trying to undo a knot in his shoelaces with a fork which slipped, and he
stabbed himself in the eye.  His pupil was damaged and is sensitive to
light, and that eye's acuity is only 20-70 these days.

Hence the sunglasses.



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