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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Re: Bike cops
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:14:43 GMT

In article <BtG335.1GH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
|> jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug22.120312.29982@cis.ohio-state.edu> akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-
|> >state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
|> >>In article <1992Aug21.192310.18663@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.usask.ca writ
|> >es:
|> >>>Now that all these cities are getting bike cops, are they good at
|> >>>chasing bikers? Leave the motorbikes out.
|> >>They just started having 2 pigs on bikes at Ohio State.  They
|> >>were quoted in the student newspaper as saying [paraphrased]
|> >>    "We hope we never have to chase a bicycle"
|> >>The first time I saw these cops they were wearing standard
|> >>issue black slacks and leather work shoes.  Since then
|> >>they have been given non-biking shorts and tennis shoes.
|> >>But I doubt if they could give anybody that rides
|> >>more than 20 miles a week any serious competition.
|> >Hah!  I have seen them too.  One was a rather rotund male, and the other a
|> >female.  I remember laughing to myself as I jay walked in front of them.  Not
|> >laughing at them, but rather the type of people that were chosen.  The woman 
|> >might be a good rider, I dunno, but the man was way out of shape.  I'm no 
|> >Tomac, but I could be this dude if I was on foot.
|> >Now OSU has mounties too! :)
|> >JT
|> Yeah the University of Illinois has these guys too.  Most of them are overweight.  I did talk to one of them at the local bike shop.  He's a young guy compared
|> to most of them, a mountain biker.  he said he joined the University Hogs so
|> he can ride his mountain bike all day and get paid for it!  He also said all
|> they are allowed to do is ride around and around the quad so the Faculty and
|> staff can see them. The U of I is a big place.  The quad is not exactly an
|> important area safety wise.  I have absolutely no respect for the University
|> police anyway.  Most of couldn't hold a job as Mall security guards butthe
|> U of I will hire them!  They're generally a bunch of macho dumbshits.
|> -Terry

The Saskatoon bike cops seem to have a pretty tough job compared to
the University of Saskatchewan bike cops. The city cops patrol the
downtown and the red light areas. They pull over a lot of cars and
get hit by a few. Door opens. Bang. Dive through the window.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do it?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:45:09 GMT

In article <17qcsnINNhg5@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> pali+@osu.edu writes:
> [about his wife who won't wear a helmet 'cause it's ugly...]

You can do a graphic demonstration, like I and my daughter's teacher have
the past few years during their summer bike activity.  Get some styrofoam
(old computer packing will do) about 2" cube will do, and make a helmet for
an egg (yes, I'm serious) by hollowing out one side to fit the end of the
egg.  Put the helmet on one end of the egg by running masking tape from the
side of the egg over the foam and to the other side.  Take a toilet paper
tube and tape it to the other end of the egg by wrapping the tape around
the tube and egg where they meet.  In other words, the pointy ends of the
egg go in the "helmet" and toilet paper tube. 

Here's a very poor graphic of what I mean:


                    ------------------
                    |                |
                    |                | <--- foam
                    |                |
                    |                |
                    ------------------
                       /          \
                      /            \
                     |              |  <--- egg
                     |              |
                      \            /
                       \          /
                      --------------
                      |            |
                      |            |
                      |            |
                      |            | <--- toilet paper tube
                      |            |
                      |            |


Hold Mr. Egghead "helmet" side down about 3-4 feet above the floor and drop
him.  Notice how Mr. Egghead didn't break.  Now take the "helmet" off and
drop it again.  Notice how Mr. Egghead's brains are all over the floor (it
helps if you have a dog or cat during this part to help clean up). 

The kids (ages 5-9) we have shown this to are *very* impressed by it.  They
look forward to it each year, and we've done it for 3 summers in a row. 

I got this from Eric Schweitzer (ERSHC@CUNYVM) a few years ago when
I asked rec.bicycles readers about teaching bike safety to kids.


Mike
From: blp@cypress.com (Bruce Prickett/PROM)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Best Route From Fremont to Cambell
Summary: Warm Springs to Abell
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:21:07 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA

in <2390@unet.UUCP> ddozier@daled.net.com (Dale Dozier) asks:

>I was interested in riding from Fremont to Cambell on labor
>day and was wondering what would be the best route without taking
>the bridge. I have seen some mail on the route to 237 but which 
>roads should I take to get to 237? 

Here's what I do:

Take Fremont Blvd south to the southern intersection with Grimmer
(not the first one, the second one near the NUMMI plant)

Left on Grimmer, go east under the railroad overpass to Warm Springs Blvd.
Don't forget to say Hi! to the burrowing Owls that live under
the rail-road bridge.

Right on Warm Springs, then south past Fry's electronics,
across Mission, AAAALLL THE WAY down to Abell street in Milpitas.

Turn right on Abell, climb over the rail-road over-pass,
and keep going till you get to 237.

Options: you can cut off the corner from Durham
(I mean AUTO MALL PARKWAY) to Grimmer if you go left
from Fremont Blvd onto Old Warm Springs Rd. This will
bring you up to Grimmer right next to the Railway underpass.

Also, if you live near Blakow, just go south to Grimmer and follow
it south till it heads East to Warm Springs.
(this is my current route)

You can also go right from Abell and cut through the residential
neighborhood, which avoids the heavy car traffic backing up on Abell.

Have Fun!

Bruce Prickett
blp@cypress.com
From: shiba@riffnique.csd.sgi.com (Rich Shiba)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: 11T cog for hyperglide?
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:03:22 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA


	Does anyone know of a source for 11 tooth
	cogs that will work with a Hyperglide cassette?
	My local shop said there are companies out there
	that make 11 tooth cogs that will spin onto a
	Shimano cassette hub (smallest shimano makes is 12),
	but he didn't know the names of any of these
	companies.  

	Anyone seen anything like this for sale??

		thanks,

		    Rich
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:12:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <07HI02Xt20JC01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>I've found that both a Sedis SL and a Campy-Rohloff shift a HG cassette better
>than an HG-70, HG-90, or HG-91 chain (I haven't tried an HG DA Chain). I've found
>the Sedisport chain doesn't maintain shifting performance as well as the Rohloff,
>however.

I haven't noticed this. However, I'm only watching others., Perhaps
my shifts are as noisy as theirs are and I don't notice it because I'm
busy at the time.

BTW: a friend told me that he tried using the Sedis SL (hollow link)
chain and that the links started breaking after about 4 to 6 months
of use. Anyone know anything about this?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.racing
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:07:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug27.153537.8530@msc.cornell.edu> tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:
>Of competition that race had none; of sheer guts that race had plenty,
>and then some.  Somehow, I just can't find that boring.

Just as a comment: I've tried to race with some of the faster women
and they are _fast_. Grewal is faster -- so what? I'm willing to
bet that people who complain about women's races couldn't stay in
the pack for a lap.
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:00:23 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article tomk@netcom.com, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <MJOHNSTO.92Aug30201619@jenny.shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:
>>
>>I think HG chains have gotten and undeserved bad reputation.
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>And, hmm, when I ride with these other people with Roloffs, you can hear
>them shifting as the chain rattles along the cog-tops for a second or 
>two before engaging. I think that what some people think of as smooth 
>shifting is probably not what I think of as the same.

Might this have anything to do with the freewheel or cassettes you and 
your friends are using? If you're using Hyperglide, and they're using
a Regina or Campy freewheel (or even a C-record cassette, Uniglide freewheel,
Aris or Accushift Plus) then you're going to shift better no matter what chains
you're using.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Damn REDNECK nailed me in Woodside!
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:56:23 GMT

Tom Monica writes:

> I've seen this son of a ____ before (I'm tempted to wait there for him on my
> Suzuki - let him try and out run that!). Watch out for him and if you do see
> him, send me his plate #. Maybe the police would actually do something!

If I hear correctly, this sounds like "Cool Hand Luke" where it was difficult
to tell the guards apart from the inmates by their behavior if you didn't look
at the uniforms.

"I've seen this sonofabitch before (I'm tempted to wait there for him in my
pickup - let him try and ride his bike past me!)."

I guess it's Tom's tone that gets me.  I agree that there are guy's in
motor vehicles who are rude and others that are dangerous to my life but
the response should not be in the Clint Eastwood fashion.  Our national
heroes are, unfortunately, people like John Wayne, Oliver North, and the
prosecution of Desert Storm, in which justice is taken into ones own hands.
It is an invitation to Sarajewo.  Reminiscent of "Lord of the Flies" where
primitive law takes over.

Unfortunately the Sheriff and his deputies (of San Mateo Co.) are themselves
John Wayne types to a large degree and even with a report of a license number
nothing would happen if this incident were reported.  It requires damage and
evidence or a group that was threatened and will testify.  Any other action
is but dust in the wind.

Ride bike!  but defensively.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 16:19:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep3.000744.2736@nntp.hut.fi> ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:
>
>Exactly what is wrong with football-shaped ie. round chainrings? (B-)

Leave it to some feriner to mistake the graceful oblong shape of
a football for the cranky pentagonal shape of a soccer ball.
:-)
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:00:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <17chn7INNnc@wave9.hal.COM> stevew@hal.COM (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>The "problem" (if there is one) with the Shimano HG chains isn't that
>they're any more difficult than most to open or re-connect.  It's the
>simple fact that *if* you follow Shimano's recommendation, you must
>use the $3-$4 special replacement pin every time you open the chain.

Hmm, and all this time I have been objecting to the $1 that I've
been paying for those pins.
From: ericr@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Eric Rentschler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:31:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


I have been using HG chains for some time now and don't see any problem
with them.  They are tough.  Putting in the special replacement pin is
easier than putting in a pin on other chains.  The special pin is skinny
on the end that gets broken off so that it can go in easily.  Breaking
off the end when you are done is also easy.  Check the directions that
come with the chains.

Also, when using non HG chain with an HG cassette, you end up with less
than HG quality shifting!
 
I would recommend sticking with the HG chain.


-Eric Rentschler
From: drobinso@mendel.une.edu.au (D.Robinson,,,)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:33:15 GMT
Reply-To: drobinso@mendel.une.edu.au
Originator: drobinso@mendel.une.edu.au

From article <_a!n3#p.tomk@netcom.com>, by tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich):

> Maybe you don't realize that 100% of the American population uses
> the roads. If it isn't for their personal transportation it certainly
> is for the transportation of the goods and services that are
> necessary in a population density like the world is developing.
> Apples are here overnight from Washington state via those roads.
> Not railroads. Vegetables from the Imperial valley are in stores

That is true.  But how on earth does it affect the argument that
that those who actually use the roads should pay for the cost of policing, 
servicing and maintaining them, and the cost of building new ones?  In 
proportion to the road space they use, and the damage they do to the roads.

Gas taxes, with some additional licensing/registration costs for really
heavy vehicles which do proportionally more damage is not a bad way to
achieve this.  And cheap to collect, given that some gas is already levied.
OK, so I might have to pay more for some goods transported long distances.  
This should be more than offset by the reduction in other tax!  And if it 
helped the railroads to get competitive, maybe that increase might not be
as high as you might think.

One study showed that in central London, the private car took up 85% of the
available road space, but accounted for only 11% of journeys to work.
Is that fair?  I'm all for the user-pays principle in this situation.  If 
the problem of general taxes subsidising the roads is solved, it may be
possible to stop subsidising public transport as well.  Why should people
who don't use these things be forced to pay for them?
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Table of Grades of Selected Roads in the Santa Cruz Mtns
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:31:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <9209020038.AA25082@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>Bruce Hildenbrand writes:
>
>> What the post fails to mention is that the numbers reported here
>> represent the grade for a short SECTION of road and not the AVERAGE
>> grade.  Because of this, I find this table very misleading and I think,
>> if interpreted incorrectly(which will most likely happen, because no
>> real clear explanation was given for the length over which the measurements
>> apply) it will lead to people getting a false impression as to the
>> average gradient of the ascents in the Bay Area.
>
>
>These gradients were published with specific intent to let riders know
>how steep the specific sections of road are because they so often enter
>conversations when describing rides.  I think most riders will recognize
>the value of this information and draw no further conclusions from it.

I got this 100 inch section of road out behind my house that measures
30% grade.  I ride it every day, and in the big ring.  I am sending my
resume to every pro team I can think of, Miguel Indurain, watch out!!!!!

Bruce
From: Art.Melworm@f806.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Art Melworm)
Sender: NewsMeisterII@mcws.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Accident on a Bike/Ped P
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:30:00 -0800

NJ>I'm not trying to start a flame fest, but I know of a _couple_ of 
NJ>places that
NJ>using the bike route (there really dirt roads at best) is safer. 
NJ>There are
NJ>some
NJ>roads where I prefer to ride rather that a bike path.

What bike paths in the 818 area do you use?  I'm in the San Fernando 
Valley (Reseda) and would be interested in checking out some bike paths -- 
if they are not too crowded with toddlers, and pedestrians.

 * Origin: CycleBoard - West Hills, CA - 818-71-CYCLE  (1:102/806)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: So if you bought a new road bike for under $500...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:51:41 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

...which one would it be?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: locher@iastate.edu (Robert C Locher)
Subject: Why does this group still exist?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:38:45 GMT

Is it because some sites don't get rec.bicycles.*, or is it because
people are too lazy to figure out which group they should be posting to?

I thought that the purpose of the expansion was that this group would be
eliminated.  I for one am ready to see it go.  I'm tired of plowing
through it.

				- Rob
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivetrain Question
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:09:05 GMT

Mitchell McLain writes:

> The problem is that sometimes when I put pressure on my peddles to
> accelerate, I hear a rather loud SNAP and feel some give in the crank.

Without more information about the circumstances like whether you just
put on a new chain or that the chain is dry and dirty, I would suspect
you have worn rear sprockets.  If this occurs only in one or two gears,
then replace these sprockets.  A new chain often will not engage the
most worn sprockets under load.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB news group
From: choline@otago.ac.nz
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:56:52 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Saying that we do not need a group called rec.bicycles.mtb is like saying that
mountain-bikes are the same as any other kind of bike (i.e. road-bikes,
touring-bikes, BMX, etc.). A vote for rec.bicycles.mtb. It would be nice to
read about mountain-biking activities without having to sift through the
plethora of letters from the fraternity of elite roadies going on about their
VO2 maxs, percentage body fat, optimum nutrition formulas, and ultra-clean
chains. 

Murray S.
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:14:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) (who, me?) writes:

> In rec.bicycles, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> 
> > I find the women's racing, at least here in America, to be as 
> > interesting, if not more so, than the men's competition.
> 
> I couldn't disagree more.  I hate to admit it, but I find women's
> road racing much less exciting than men's road racing.

I better clarify some of my attitudes about women's racing before I
get roasted too badly - 

I think it's only natural that the level of competition of women's
road racing has not reached the same intensity as men's road racing,
partially because of the poor sponsorship available for women (with the
exception of after the 84 Olympics).  There is no professional women's
racing.  If the best women were offered $500K-$1M per year like the
best men's road racers, I'm sure the level of competition would jump
up a notch, and race dynamics would become much more animated.

Another reason I'm not enthralled in women's road racing is the sexism
prevalent in the UCI forbidding long, challenging woment's road races.
If women trathletes can complete a full Iron Man competition (1-2? miles
swimming, 112 miles cycling, and 26 miles running), then they sure
as hell can ride races longer than 60 miles for the goddamn world 
championships.  Women cyclists have been petition for tougher 
international road races to no avail, as several posters have noted.
Women mountain bike racers are treated with more respect than women
road racers, both in the length and difficult of race courses, and
in the prize money and sponsorship available.  

> > After all, the American women are with the very best in the world.
> > While the American men are still pretty much second string.
> 
> America has a *few* women (Inga Thompson, Rebecca Twigg, Ruthie Matthes,
>  etc.) who are among the very best in the world, just as we have a few men
> (Lemond, Hampsten, etc.) who are among the very best in the world.

On the whole American women fare better at international level than
American women, but I believe that is primarily due to more respect
for women's racing in America than on the European continent.

> I'm really going to provoke a flame fest here:
> I find women's racing less interesting because the women are *SO*
> much slower than the men.  

I still think this is true.  In last year's Morgul Bismark, Inga Thompson,
one of the best 2-3 cyclists in the world, decided to race with the men
to get better competition.  This was a Category A race, but still primarily
a local race with a few Coors Light riders showing up.  Inga was dropped
by the main pack after several laps.  Her comments in the newspaper were
to the effect of "I guess I had forgotten just how fast these local guys
are".   When Sally Zack entered the men's race at a fairly small local
race, she was in one of the last chase groups (before taken out in a 
crash where she shattered her helmet and separated her shoulder).
On the other hand, Jeannie Longo entered the Telluride (tohelluride)
stage race, another small race, and took 2nd place due to her top
placing in the mountain stage.

Keith Erskine
From: ra_novy@DAL.MOBIL.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Pop! Goes the Joint
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:09:14 GMT

I've wondered for some time about the cause of the pop! sound that a joint,
such as an ankle or a knuckle, can make.  It happens often when the joint is
moved after a period of rest.  You should hear my ankles after I wake up! 
There's no pain or grinding sensation, only a feeling of relief.

I've heard various explanations for this, some of which involve accumulation of
some fluid (even air!) or sticking of ligaments.  What's the collective wisdom
out there say?  Will I finally hear the definitive answer?

Bob Novy
ra_novy@dal.mobil.com
Dallas, TX

And on the eighth day, God made the wind in Texas.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles