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From: rose@cecily.UUCP (Rose M. Delckum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice League new lineup?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:31:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The New Alaska Riviera
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In article <BzBD6K.68x@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, Tom Johnston writes:

> 
> Is the JLA being revamped again?  Will it be by the same creative
> team?   Which characters will be featured?
> 
> Tom

Please God, let them get rid of Maxima.  I hate that b*tch.  
I have no idea who the heck she is, but she and Superman took
over the book.  I'd be glad he's dead but I realize that the 
writing won't get better just because he's gone.  Too bad.  They
should just change the title to "Superman, his women, and a bunch
of other guys".  Bleah.  I want Giffen back!

Rose, giving JL* 3 more months to improve (and currently
working hard at avoiding studying for the final she has to
face in 8.5 hours)
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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:28:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Roger Klorese (rogerk@queernet.org) writes:

>Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)

>Political scientists who write about "theory of oppression" offer that, in
>order for an "ism" to exist, two things are required: discrimination and
>power.  That is, discrimination by the group in power against the group
>out of power constitutes an "ism"; discrimination by the group out of power
>against the group in power does not.

Of course, in this cases, ANIA is putting themselves in a position of power:
they imply that they will hire people as they see fit, and they will evidently
market to (or perhaps against) certain races.  By putting themselves into
power, and then practicing discrimination, they prodcue racism.

Blacks in general may be out of power; ANIA, as a publishing group, is not.

(Hey, at least this ain't the GFHFW, right?)

------------------------------
                             |      Ron's eye was caught by a booth featuring a
Jim Drew                     | clothing catalog claiming to feature "The Look.
jrd@frame.com                | The Lifestyle."
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     Ron picked it up, and put it down just as
"Innocent, but not naive."   | fast.  "Not *my* look," he said.
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     I had to agree.  "If that's the *look*, I'll
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | just take the feel."
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     Ron looked at me with arched eyebrows.
                             |     "I really have to watch what I say around
                             | you people, don't I?" I said, blushing.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:26:32 GMT

rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>Political scientists who write about "theory of oppression" offer that, in
>order for an "ism" to exist, two things are required: discrimination and
>power.  That is, discrimination by the group in power against the group
>out of power constitutes an "ism"; discrimination by the group out of power
>against the group in power does not.

I like it.  So calling all whites evil small-dicked small-assed devils
isn't racism, nor calling orientals, say, slant-eyed micro-dicked
fish-faced gooks (or any similar list of stereotyped crap you care to
put together) unless the person saying it is white.

The only thing amazing here is how far the PC will bend to absolve
"sacred" groups of any responsibility for anything happening anytime
for any reason.
-- 
Marxism: Totalitarianism, as told by Karl Marx.
Communism: Marxism as retold by Vladimir Lenin.
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Stan Lee Doesn't own Marvel (was Re: McFarlane's art)
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:24:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



Speaking as an official Marvel Shareholder(tm), No, Stan Lee doesn't own a
majority of the parent corporation, Marvel Entertainment Group.  Stan however,
does own somewhere between 10-15% of the shares, and is the head of the Marvel
Publishing corporation (a sub-company of MEG).  So you can interpret that any
way you want, but in my eyes, Stan owns or at least runs the comics portion
of the business, and since the other parts of MEG deal in things like 
licensing and the like, that's good enough for me.
BTW, Frank Gifford is also on the board of MEG (yes, THAT Frank Gifford).


Mike C.  (Zen)
-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
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From: wsm26@cas.org (Wayne Mills)
Subject: Re: Superman: Hot or Not?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:55:18 GMT


Ex-squeeze me?  (Baking powder?)

I didn't write any of the text below, except my .sig included at
the bottom!  And I don't even claim credit for the Cheers quote!
So why am I being "quoted"?


In article <cline.724353181@sourgum.cs.scarolina.edu>, cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
|> wsm26@cas.org (Wayne Mills) writes:
|> 
|> |In article <92343.010421GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> |> I have the Robin phone call results as listed in the trade paperback of the
|> |> story.  10,614 calls over a 36-hour period resulted in 5,271 for keeping him,
|> |> and 5,343 for offing him.  It was quite close.
|> 
|> Hey! Wait a minute!
|> This means that neither the 100 vote margin nor the 2:1 ratio occurred!
|> That means that Jason Todd should still be living
|> (Perhaps he'll come back as the new Superman :)
|> -- 
|> Ernest Cline
|> cline@cs.scarolina.edu


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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image Splits Up (was McFarlane has come a long way )
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:52:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: Image, Edge, Homage



Well, I didn't say money was the problem, and no, I obviously haven't read 
the market reports, but that wasn't what I referred to.  I said the *company*
Image would not last.  It only makes sense this way:  If the fanboy artists had
stayed together in _one group_ then, perhaps they would have had a chance.  
Once they all go their separate ways, then you can check the market reports and
see how well these one-artist-to-an-independant companies do.  Who else is 
going to buy a Jim Lee comic _but_ a Jim Lee Fan, as opposed to who would have
bought an _Image_ comic.  Had they stayed together, they would be getting the
Jim Lee fans, the McFarlane fans, and the Liefeld fans (if any are left).  
That's all I'm saying.


-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring
Organization:  GaTEA, Slug Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:50:19 GMT

In <rawdon.724653962@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>In <APPEL.92Dec17024417@soda.soda.Berkeley.EDU> appel@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
>>codes in the first issue seem to support something like this.  And
>>then, there was the most odd reference in issue two "Just before his
>>death, your husband was overseeing an extremely secretive operation
>>that he refers to only as Project Athena.  Athena, you will recall,
>>was the ancient Greek Goddess who sprang from her father's side
>>without the benefit of a mother."  Things that make you go hmm.

>I thought about that, but then remembered that Jupiter gestated in Orion's
>body, so he fits the bill.

I don't think Jupiter fits that bill at all.  Orion's pregnancy was
well known, all Grendel groups now follow it.  That's hardly a secret
operation.  


-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS Mailing List
Date: 19 Dec 1992 18:57:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


alex@animal.Bell.CA (Alex Laney) says:

>Of course, CEREBUS won't be the ONLY topic....this list can also include

You forgot some very important topics that any
 Cerebus mailing list should cover:

rape, date rape + sexual harrassment
confession of personal tragedies
drug legalization
ads for self-published magazines
conspiracy theories
miscellaneous ranting + raving
From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:03:44 -0800
Organization: Raven's Auto Body Repair Shop, Mega-Tokyo.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheech.cs.ubc.ca

nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine) writes:

>Could someone help me sort out what might me going on in
>Hell?  Specifically, who is this Satan guy, and what is
>his relationship to Lucifer and the Three?  And who did
>John piss off, Lucifer, or Satan, or both?

My knowledge of "Season of the Mists" is spotty, but the explanation
goes something like this (no spoilers, not any more):

Satan has been around from the beginning of time, probably with his two
brothers.  Ellie suggests that he may have been cast out of Heaven for
being the first to think for himself.  In any case, when Lucifer led
the rebellion and was cast from Heaven, Satan was down in Hell ready to
meet him.  Once humanity had been created, Lucifer was saddled,
somehow, with the task of punishing sinners, and Hell was the place
they were kept.

[begin Opinion]
Satan, it appears, has been a rogue operative.  He goes around
corrupting people and getting them to sell their souls to him because
he enjoys it, leaving Lucifer or whomever with the task of punishing
his clients.  His brothers seem to do the same thing.
[end Opinion]

Lucifer performed his duties until the events of "Season of the
Mists", at which point he resigned.  The `rulership' of Hell went
through various hands, including those of two angels, also saddled
with the task of punishing sinners.  None of these proceedings
involved Satan.  I'm a bit vague on who holds the reins at the moment.
Satan claims that he does, but the writers are unclear on whether he
is actually running the punishments now, or whether he just holds
enough power to destroy anyone who gets in his way.

In any case, it was Satan, acting on his own, who made the deal with
Brendan; Satan who drank the holy water; and Satan who swore vengeance
on Constantine.

[begin Opinion]
Hell wasn't created to punish sinners.  The Three created Hell as a
place to exist when they were cast out of Heaven, and Heaven wasn't
strong enough to stop them.  On the other hand, the Three weren't
powerful enough to keep Heaven from dumping sinners there for
punishment (not that they minded, I expect).  This state of affairs
will go on until something catastrophic happens.
[end Opinion]

Comments?

Derek

-- 
Derek Lynn Upham                               University of British Columbia
upham@cs.ubc.ca                                   Computer Science Department
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"Ha!  Your Leaping Tiger Kung Fu is no match for my Frightened Piglet Style!"
From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:04:49 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <BzEDM8.29L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:
>He does have a good point, though.  How many of our posts are genuinely
>constructive, rather than destructive?  I mean, we know we ALL have 
>different tastes, but why are some people compelled to flame away whenever
>Image is mentioned.  For my part, I try to "discover" good, struggling
>comics, like Quasar, New Warriors, Cage, and Silver Sable.  Can't we all
>just get along?

Hey, If we all got along this wouldn't be AbuseNet!   :-)

August Paul Yang thinks "Decking the Halls" is a horrible way to treat the
neighbors during the holiday season.
wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: GL Mosaic (Whazzup w/ This?)
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:20:19 GMT

Okay, I'm confused now.  For over six months, I've been under the
assumption that GL Mosaic was cancelled by DC...right around the time
JSA was.

However, in the last issue of Mosaic (I forget the # right now) plans
are disclosed for a couple arcs which "will take this book up to
about issue #20"-something.

Does anyone else think this book should maybe get a chance on the
Vertigo line instead?  Just give it an artsy new cover style, a la
Doom Patrol, John Constantine: Hellblazer, Shade, etc., and have
JS say "fuck" or "bitch" or "shit" every other page (just kidding about
that last part).

I think the politics of the Mosaic world could be better investigated
and told in mature-reader format.

BTW, if you know for sure that it's dead or not dead, please email or post.
My comic shop (Comics & Comix, Palo Alto) doesn't know either way...

Thanks in advance,

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for!

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: R39R <R39R@UNB.CA>
Subject: I'm missed something (Image)
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:26:34 GMT

Could somebody please give me the real deal about this thing
about Image, Edge, Hommage. Who? what? why?
From: djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:26:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Bz4rDK.KEt@news.udel.edu> krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:
>In article <10DEC199216130901@addvax.llnl.gov> DougLim@llnl.gov writes:
>>Who are the favorite comic book artists of the people out on the net and why?
>
OK here is my top five.  I really don't know enough artist to do a bigger list
without getting into the he's just all right mode.

5. ERIK LARSEN:  You bet I like the Dragon, but Larsen draws in your face art 
	and he has some of the best battle scenes anywhere.

4. JIM LEE:  The boy can draw some good-looking women and he always finishes
	off a scene.  Every picture seems to be complete.  I really liked his
	work on the X-Men.

3. MARK TEXEIRA: I just love the Ghost Rider cover's he drew.  The art in 
	Ghost Rider will always be a favorite of mine.  Too bad he's messing
	with Wolverine.

2. JIM McFARLANE:  What can I say, I like the art in Spawn a lot.  The covers
	are awesome and the whole comic just portrays a sarcastic and grim
	mood.

1. WALT SIMONSON:  His work on Thor got me hooked on comics.  He draws awesome
	covers and way he drew made you anticipate the ending of each comic.
	He did a great job on X-Factor also.  The best IMHO!!!



-- 
the Mighty Joe Young

djyoung@carina.unm.edu
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 06:02:52 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

>Okay, I have just read through much of the "everybody's favorite artists" 
>thread. Therefore, I'd like to propose another question: 
>
>Who are your favorite and least favorite writers?

Here's mine:

PAD: He's the best of the lot, and no, he didn't put me up to this. :)
Fabian Nicieza: The New Warriors are some of the best teen/late-teen her-
	oes in comics.  
Todd McFarlane:  He's improved greatly since Spidey.
Erik Larsen:  He's even better at storytelling than he is at drawing, and
	that's saying a lot!
Simon Furman:  One issue of his run on Transformers put all 55+ issues of
	Bob Budianski's run to shame.  One issue.
John Byrne: I like his stuff in Next Men a lot; all the characters seem very
	much alive.
Ben Edlund:  Funniest parodist I've read in comics.  SPOON!
Len Strazewski:  I loved his Impact stuff.  Sure wish my budget crunch didn't
	keep me from reading JSA regularly.
William Messner-Loebs:  I loved his Flash stories a lot.  
Oh, I could go on, but that's all I can think of for now.
	--MikE...my least favorites are coming up soon.


-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor Morgan)
Subject: Re: Barry Allen Is Back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:33:46 GMT

In article <92353.120833JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu> <JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Yes!  It's about time.  Barry Allen is back in the newest edition of Flash.
>He comes home for Christmas and it is a total shocker to me.  I've been
                   ^^^^^^^^^
>reading Flash for years and I can't believe it.  It's the best thing that
>has happened to DC since they axed Superman (very sarcastic, I liked Supes).
>I hope that they add him to Justice League America.  They could use the
>leadership.  Comments?

Wasn't Allen supposed to be Jewish?  (At least, I believe I remember
this was so in a recent DC "Christmas with the Super-Heroes").o


-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: chinm@aix.rpi.edu (Mang S. Chin -- Kid Klaxon)
Subject: DC: Batman: Bane
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:17:12 GMT


I haven't heard too much about this Bane stuff going on in the Batman
titles...so what gives?  Sounds like a new way to boost sales, so I
figure that Bane is going to appear throughout the various Batman
titles being a pain in the butt.  We already know that he'll be going
after Killer Croc (who I thought was dead, but I guess no one really
ever stays dead).

At any rate, Vengeance of Bane wasn't all that bad.  The basic idea
is nothing new, but I'd have to say it was done fairly well for
something so hackneyed.  Any reactions?


MSC

-- 
       "...but fortunately, the people spoke on November 3."
        -- Denzell Washington,  Arsenio Hall Show  Nov. 14
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From: sbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott B. Casteel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman's death on tv
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:56:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Did anyone see Roseanne tonite (12-15-92). I was watching the 
show and in the scene between Darlene and her boyfriend(name?), I
noticed he was wearing a Superman shirt with the blood dripping.
I was amazed by the characterization (him being a comic artist
wanna-be). Did anyone else see the show? 
-- 
Scott Casteel <<sbc>>
   "Wanna make somethin' out of it?"
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: Sin, Gaiman defend Spawn,Image
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:12:54 GMT

aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson) writes:

>>Then I got a phone call from Todd the next day, saying would I write one? 
>>Basically what he said was, the critics have been on his back about the 
>>writing. He said people have been bitching about the quality of the writing in
>>the Image comics and so on and so forth, and he for one wanted to do something
>>about it. So he figured he'd go out and get some award-winning, good
>writers to
>>write something. 

Could somebody please send me this whole article. I missed it.

Jed
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:43:38 GMT

My favourite artists.

Sim\Ger - Work so well together.

Brian Bolland - Great detail. The Animal Man covers are some of the
	  best pencil covers.

Howard Chaykin - Uses dots the way Bolland uses lines.

Martin Wagner - Really cool B&W art. He isn't too good at
		colour art.

Frank Miller - Some of his stuff (Eg Ronin) is mindblowing.

John Byrne - This guy defines `consistency'. A pity his faces are
	     so consistent.

Simon Bisley - His penciled stuff is good, his painted stuff is 
		awesome.

Todd McFarlane - I just like it.

Dave McKean - His covers are overrated, his pencils are not.

Alan Davis - He helps Byrne defines consistency but his faces look
different.

Ron Lim - I like him because he is underrated.

Jed