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From: janhen@sci.kun.nl
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:09:51 GMT
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts

Or what about calling collect from abroad to your student union, to
tell them that you can't attend tonight's meeting because you got
delayed half a day (stupid bank holidays - why just this weekend???)
coming back from the 10th National Bisexual Conference, where you
actually had no business of being because you're not British...

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  janhen@sci.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:59:30 EDT

woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:

>    I'm happy to email it to any interested people. If I get a number of
> requests, I'll post it instead. I'd also be happy to hear people's
> comments - it's our first pamphlet and we were a little rushed, so I'm
> sure there's room for improvement.
> 
Please, please!  I'm an interested person!  Please send me this.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 29 Aug 92 11:02:23 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug28.233719.10550@nwnexus.WA.COM>, elf@halcyon.com (Omaha Sternberg) writes:
>    (Omaha ruffles her fur) Well! I never! (Giggle) I have no desire to break
> the next bed, but Elf told me that he liked it, because he could brag to
> everybody that we have such rambunctious sex that we break beds. I, of

Hehehe. Well, that's two anyway. Who else breaks beds?

> course, would NEVER stoop to such depths to prove our sexual capabilities. I

Of COURSE not :-)

> prefer to cry out loud enough for the neighbors to hear me during sex. :)

This is also fun. Particularly if it actually wakes the neighbors, their
dogs, and sets off the rooster in the adjoining henhouse at 4am :-) And 
to have your lover interrupt your late-morning apology to them by asking
don't them cry out when they cum?

///Peter
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:23:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi, alt.polyamory
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Sep1.111730.23582@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:

>
>1. Some linguists cringe when they see the word "gender" misused. The
>correct word is "sex". However, in this case I think it is valid to say
>"fuck the linguists (especially the cute ones:-)!" and continue to
           ^^^^^^^^^
>misuse "gender" since using "sex" might confuse people.


Do *I* count ....?      <innocent look>



                            Bethan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gender difference?
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:59:13 +1200
 d.ac.uk> <92235.025832IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <1992Aug25.114135.49546@ccvax.ucd.ie>
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> > i don't get all romantic about sex.  sex is easy to get, just
> > troop on down to the sports bar, and any number of people
> > will cheefully provide it.  handholding, backrubbing, running
> > tongues gently over fingers and knuckles - THAT i get romantic
> > over, and sometimes get totally distracted from my day remembering
> > how her hand felt on mine.
> Exactly.
me three!

I _really_ like touching skin, almost any how. Want to drive me wild-
tickle the palm of my hand with your fingertips/ tongue *ooohh*
(moz squirms happily on the seat thinking about it)

.sig to come..... processing now.... permission denied...
arrrggg blatt...

.plan:  early retirement :-)
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexual Centrist Alliance
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:38:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug26.175132.15062@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick) writes:
+ 
+Polyamory (e.g. 'party people') can be a bitch for property
+values.  What I read had connotations of the old 'heterosexist
+prvieledge'... e.g. keep things "normal" and "squeeky cleen"

Sounds more like the 'traditional swinger' syndrome. I.e.
presentation and enforcement of the happily married couple with a
'odd' twist. That of course is a sterotype, however, in the several
personal encounters with the 'swing' crowd the sterotype seemed to
fit. The 'polyamory' as advertized on 'alt.polyamory' is attempting
to be somewhere between 'polyfidelity' and 'swing bands'. There
seems to be a high contribution to that group from posters here as
well, so I can not conclude that the group had a 'disdain' for
gay/les sexuality (I'm sure that there are some het which would
rather g/l/b type just go a way... but there have not be any overt,
'get this crap out of here' type posts.).
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 10:28:38 EDT

Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
> And I think that this is why I like bi-folks so much. In too much of life,
> I am "not of either party". I am too much of a conservitive to be a liberal
> and too much of a liberal to be a conservitive (I am Republican, but its 
> genetic) i am too much of a pagan to be a Christian, and too much of a 


A genetic Republican?  That sounds tragic!  Trapped in a political party you 
never made....

Seriously... well, more seriously, anyway.... I recently had an interesting 
discussion/argument with a person who professed to be a "right'wing 
conservative".  Since I call myself a "far-left-wing liberal" and anarchist, 
we were happily set up for a cheery political battle, and guess what?  We 
ended up saying "I agree" to each other far too much of the time.  He 
defined himself as conservative and I defined myself as liberal and darn it, 
we saw the same social problems and the same social solutions all too much 
of the time.  Our reasons for calling ourselves "conservative" and 
"Liberal" weren't entirely connected to our philosophies.

Or do people in the U.S. not use the word "liberal" any more?

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:50:17 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>overhead....  Would it?  (This must be giffed! - Someone wrestle
>Sara's pictures away from her when she gets back to Edin<mutter>.)

btw Anyone who's interested (and there) can see them (the holiday snaps
that is) in Norwich. 

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Mr Right
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:25:09 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug28.024749.4447@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) wrote...
>>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>>woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) wrote...
>>>>   I was having an awfully long talk with Coe the other day,
>>>She tells me that you managed to keep her up until 5am.  And without
>>>even touching her.  Not bad.
>>
>>Aww, c'mon. Talking is fun - I quite often spend all night on the various
>>phone/talk services available over the Net.. instead of getting my touch-
>>quota filled |-)
>>
> 
> Funny, I often spend late afternoons and evenings talking.
> What an interesting coincidence. ;-)
> 
> Ellen

Can't *think* how they do it...:-)

///Peter
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:00:55 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:

>Street."  Being a brit in America does have its advantages (not least of
>which is understanding the the terms zucchini/courgette, eggplant/aubergine,
>snow peas/mange tout, liquor store-beer distributor/off-license, eraser/rubber
                                                                        ^^^^^^^

Generally a good idea to learn that one pretty quick ... >{8-)

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:48:03 GMT

nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:

>Well, sirrah, I'm a cogsci wannabe

Hello, fellow CogSci-type person. I'm trying to complete a Cog Sci degree,
heavy on the psych. and philosophy bits of the field, except that geek-type
stuff like Star Trek and Usenet keep taking up my time...

But I digress. Back to the poly pamphlet thread.

Perhaps we could put together a short form and a long form of the pamphlet.
The short form containing quick answers to the most commonly-asked
questions, and very brief descriptions of some aspects of polyamory; the
long form essentially an expansion of the short form, containing longer,
more detailed responses to all the questions in the short form *plus*
some additional questions. (And maybe an extra-long form, containing
mini-essays by various people, excerpts from books, anecdotes, etc.)

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
Forum (Cog Sci); Senate; CDSU; ASC. ...but all opinions are my own only.

"Adults lie because they've built entire lives on sham and illusion,
 which they try to maintain by kidding themselves and everyone around them."
                                             --Matt Groening, "Life in Hell"
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:01:10 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I've just re-established net contact in NYC (e-mail types should probably
aim to contact me as mlloyd@sor-2.stern.nyu.edu, btw).  My first
attempt to join the comments springing from Roy meeting me a few
days ago has been deliberately deleted in a flurry of half-jetlagged,
3/4-depressed, wholly not-where-I-want-to-be censoriousness.  Let me
reach for my reset button and try again ...

zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
>zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>> zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
>> [...]
>> |> *grin*  Yeah, mike's a
>> |> prince of a guy.  Maybe a queen of a guy?  Anyway, he takes a nice
>> |> photo.  Muffy and him look *really* good together.

Ooh - nobody's ever called me a *queen* before ;-)  I'm not sure
how well the term fits, but I confess that every now and then I think
of playing up my effeminate side a little more (Bill, are you
listening :-)  Preset gender roles are bad for you!

And on that last bit, Roy already pointed out the blindspot implied
by the comment (Roy saw a little of Dan and me together).  I guess
if we wanted comments on all three of us, we'd have to ask Flame
the kitten ... no respector of intimate moments, that cat (and also
a clear foot and nipple fetishist!).  

>> So rub it in, why don't you?  Mike and Muffy were gonna help me convince
>> my straight friend that I was really bi by means of a snog-in.  Of course,
>> a slight matter of several thousand miles is rather preventing this... :-(

Several slight matters of several thousand miles, now :-(
Colin, you should know better than to use words like "rub" ... images
of you always connect with that beard (an impression amplified by some
post-Norwhich postings), and the "r" word could reduce a person to
jelly at the associations ...  (muses: is it objectifying to keep
talking about someone's beard all the time?  or just fetishistic?
whichever way, I must get to meet the owner again)

>> Ho hum.  Give Mike a *hug* from me next time you see him (please).

I guess I'll have to just accept an e-*hug* for now.  I'll take it
gladly, though, as I try to adjust to being stuck somewhere around
the midpoint of my two favourite places-to-be-queer: Edinburgh and
San Francisco.  Sometime when I'm in a better mood I might post
about SF, but not right now.

Hugs to thems as wants
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: lbspodic@usthk.ust.hk (Spode, God/dess of Chaos)
Subject: Re: Spods
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:46:46 GMT

In article <43026@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
> 
> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
> >I'm not a spod, I'm not a spod, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!
> 
> Non-net person: "What's a spod?"
> Net person: "It's what computer nerds call each other."

I'm not a Spod, but I *am* Spode.  Does that count?

-Spode
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:39:44 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) said...
>cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) wrote...
>>It would be such trauma!  <hehe> my mind is starting to sound like some weird
>>hippy California blues: "everyone's gone now... the party is done...  the 
>>hot tub is lonesome... six is better than one..."  

[yes, i'm commenting on my own stuff...]
Upon second reading, this reminds me way too much of my dad's bad surfer
poetry... Aaaaaggghhh

>>Although it is an
>>interesting way to write a thesis: "Hmmmm, don't quite know how to word
>>that section... think i'll go sit in the hot tub and ponder...." :^)
>
>Hphff!
>Just for that I'm not going to ntalk to you anymore about what 
>constellations to look for when you're sitting in the aformentioned
>hot tub, while I'm elsewhere in the state trying to get some work done.
>(Now that all of our wonderfully distracting guests have gone for a 
>little while.)

Awwwwwww, but you illustrated it so well!  (BTW, i did find Lyra)
Anyway, i imagine you'll still be writing when you come back, so
then we can both sit in the hot tub and ponder thesis sections (yah 
right!)

>Sara will be coming back to the UK a few shades darker than she
>started out.

Should do a time-lapse of photos of Sara through her trip - see how
her color changes!

:^)
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 21:14:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <emT0PB3w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca>

view@micor.ocunix.on.ca (View) writes:

>There's a difference here in levels of understanding. Sure, I find it hard 
>(if not impossible) to believe that other people aren't really attracted to 
>both men and women.  But I see they are not, incredible though it may seem. 
>And since I have no confusion (etc.) on the question, there is no reason to 
>believe they do.  

>I don't understand their feelings; I don't share their feelings; but I don't 
>object to their feelings, or deny their feelings, or argue they should feel 
>those feelings or that they misunderstand themselves.  That's the 
>difference.  Just because I wish everybody was bi, doesn't mean that I 
>object because they aren't.

>The danger that may people fall into is that because they don't "understand" 
>another person's sexuality, they think it's bad.

>So it goes.

>Namaste,
>Elizabeth

And I think that this is why I like bi-folks so much. In too much of life,
I am "not of either party". I am too much of a conservitive to be a liberal
and too much of a liberal to be a conservitive (I am Republican, but its 
genetic) i am too much of a pagan to be a Christian, and too much of a 
Christian to be a pagan. Too queer to be straight and...

I can't see how one "group" has all the answers, I feel that they are some-
where else beside the extremes. At least that seems to be ok in this 
community.

Ben Gibson (Different drummer? Hell different band.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Alien Attitudes?
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:31:52 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven M. Stadnicki) writes:
> One of the things that I've been thinking about recently is something that
> bisexuality, or perhaps more accurately polyamory, and furriness have in
> common: the attitudes involved are *so* utterly alien to most people that
> they literally can't conceive how people could hold them; they can't even
> be brought to begin to grasp the concepts involved.  This has been getting
> beaten into my head repeatedly lately with my coworkers (who I'm not out
> to yet, but I've listened a lot to *their* conversations)... what worries
> me more is that things also seem to be working the other way, that I'm so
> entrenched in my current attitudes that I have a hard time really understanding
> *theirs*.  Has anyone else ever really noticed this?

YUP.

I have always had this to a degree, but it is becoming more obvious now.
Like, how to explain to people that I'm attracted to specific people, not
limited to `that sex'...

or, having to have it explained to me that I was suppoesed to be jealous
when my current girlfriend tried to seduce one of my friends (I thought it
was funny - she didn't stand a chance with him, but she was SOOO determined)
but then, we weren't actually that close, and broke up when she realised
that I was quite happy to sleep with her for as long as she wanted, but
was not interested in sex with her.

MOZ
(terminally wierd...

when I'm by myself
my thoughts are clear.
sometimes
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Colin's Beard
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cix.memo.608850
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Colin he of the strokable beard writes:]

>P.P.S.  I haven't had my beard stroked for over 60 hours now, and
>I'm starting to get serious withdrawl symptoms.  <Sniff!>

Awwwww, Colin.... come one down to Bath some time and I'll stroke that
lovely beard all night long for you... come to think of it, you could
come up to Edinburgh and Bethan could join in!!!

+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
|Plans may be afoot to make a move up north    |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
|But it may be in Perth.... damn!!             |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Bill Gammie (bill@ee.ed.ac.uk) writes:]

>We also had a talk by a nutter from the south of France
>who told us that we were all "normal" and that if the whole
>world lived in bisexual communes and used less washing
>machines that all society's problems would be solved.

Oh Gawd... I tried to forget about him! Sad to say I panicked, I ran
out to the nearest vending machine and stuffed myself with cholcolate...
I got back to see an audience with a huge smirk on it's collective face. 
Perhaps the bi movement now has it's very own David Ike?

+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
|"Don't confuse me with the facts,  I've already  |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| made up my mind" - Local Tory gov't councellor  |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Quayles meet Usenet (was Re: PLEASE VOTE!!!)
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:30:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.094525.10904@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>
>But you assume that "family values" are inherited :-)
>
>I bet he went straight to alt.personals.bondage and posted looking for
>big breasted dominant women into whip cream and cats-o-nine tails.

You're right - I was being presumptuous about the poor kid.  I hope he
does find the dominatrix of his dreams.

On the other hand, if he's off having a good time with Usenet, his Ma
may lower the boom on him (and us).




-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 03:19:40 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) wrote...
                        ^^^^^
I thought it was Slutsa.  (though I guess either works....)

>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>This is getting all the more interesting.  Have to think about what
>>to tie him to.  Furniture is kinda scarce around the house at this
>>moment.  We could just tie him to the deck itself....
>
>>Then there's that sale at Good Vibrations...
>
>And just what is it you are planning to buy in the sale?  <innocent smile>
>
>And when are you going to buy that sling you keep talking about?

[But Good Vibes doesn't sell slings!]
Fine, drag me out of the sling closet.  Oooooo, much better.

Just for that I want to see you in this sling.  You used to call
yourself a switch.  Think you can handle it?

Though I must admit I'm not sure if I would feel terribly safe being 
in the sling when you and your crutch are around.

I have to find a place in the house that would support such a thing.
The house is at least a century old so I have to be careful not
to bring down the ceiling.  Tacky, you know?

>Iseult - expecting more fun and frolics on Ellens deck!!!!!!
[Protocol:  It's only half mine.]

On the deck?  Hmmm, like the one at Grant's that masqueraded
as a deck chair?  Naw, the more "traditional" ones seem more
appealing.  Probably make great conversation pieces also.
Coe, could you take a look on the deck and see if there
are any possibile locations for such a creature?

Missing the hot tub.  Two more daze in San Luis...

Ellen
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:55:57 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>If anyone here's missed me (hi, Fenthe! :) --- still here, lurking, SNAFU. 

 Yay! Nice to see you back again! *hugs*

>It is *infuriating* to be both bi-identified and bi-phobic, to both
>have same sex attraction and be uncomfortable with it in others... and then
>accept it... and then be uncomfortable again.
>
>So... I'll go back a-lurking, and wait till I've grown used to myself.

 Well, it's being comfortable with yourself that counts; once that's
sorted out, then everything else will seem easier. At least, I hope so
- if you can be happy with yourself then what more is there, really?

 *snuggles, licks, and such*

 -- Fenthe