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From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Keywords: sex, agreement, legal, contract
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:23:24 GMT

In article <lihq67INN9rm@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.195145.3667@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>>  
>> Piglet, I wish I could share in your innocence and laughter, and a few
>> years ago I probably would have.  Unfortunately, the universe has been
>> conducting a 're-education' program for the past few years to attempt,
>> by repeated lessons with not quite the subtlety of a two-by-four in the
>> face, to convince me that the "fiduciary paranoia" you refer to errs
>> mostly on the side of being too trusting.  
>
>I know what you mean.  My husband told me that it was OK with him that
>I got pregnant and then he changed his mind and split before she was born.
>I don't expect to get any money out of him, and I know I'm not going to 
>get any other kind of help from him.  I feel like my ex took my choices
>away when he lied to me about how he felt about my pregnancy and about
>how he intended to act.  While most of my sympathies naturally go to the
>kids and the single parents trying to raise them, I have some sympathy
>left for the men who didn't get to make the choice.  I know what that
>feels like.
>
>I can't think of too many ways out of it though.  This contract and 
>probably any like it would get thrown out of court.  I can't think of
>any laws that would give a man a choice without intolerably screwing
>up the women.  (Maybe if he could file some sort of paper in the first
>three months of pregnancy informing her that he wanted to limit his
>responsibility, giving her enough time to choose an abortion or to 
>raise the baby alone?  But then what happens if she doesn't know she's
>pregnant until month 4 or 5?  What if she knows, but tells him she didn't?
>This is still unfair to everyone.) 

While I tend to agree with some of the other posters that such a contract
ought to be negotiated between both parties rather than just presented
(even I might worry if I ran across someone who had such forms preprinted
in bulk), I'm still not thrilled with any of the solutions that have been
presented enough to seriously consider using them.  

Oh, well; my current plan is to continue muddling along as I have been and
be careful (I've actually had good luck with lovers so far).  

Trygve   (The existence of children makes philosophy so much more 
          complicated.) 
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:21:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <c*51Hx=7fb@atlantis.psu.edu> R9S@ECL.PSU.EDU (Roberto G Sung) writes:
>
>Hi, everyone, i'm new to this group, although sometimes i lurk around
>when my schedule allows. just a quick question: what exactly means
>"serendipity". i've seen this word a few times lately. is it part of
>the neology? thanks

Surely a university would have a dictionary somewhere (even if it *is* PSU)?
Take a look - maybe you'll get lucky.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:48:24 EST
From: S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is gold-digging?
 <JULIE.92Dec9135816@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu> <101671@netnews.upenn.edu>
 <kDYKrAbEBh106h@wildrose.infoserv.com> <oneil.724176019@cwis>

In article <oneil.724176019@cwis>, oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) says:
>rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:
>>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>And I've always paid ever since.  Just because I found that most guys were
>really relieved that I did do so.  If a guy really acted upset when I tried
>to pay my way in to a movie or whatever, I would let him pay.  But I would
>tell him that I'd want to pay for him another time.
Yup.  That's what I did, too, when I was still "dating."  Now
my *fiance* and I go maybe 60-40 on the average when we do
stuff because he happens to be making more $$ at the moment.
If I made more, I would help him.  I mean, we're both grad
students and so poor, but last year he literally made twice
as much as I do...

>>Oh yeah, I probably do have no class whatsoever, I don't even open
>>car doors for women.  Another useful sorting criterion, I've found ;-)
>You and I should talk.  I'll usually let a guy open the car door, if he
>insists, but it really, really, really ANNOYS the hell out of me.
Hmm, I LIKE this.  Then again, it's HIS car, sort of a "welcome
to my car" gesture.  If it were my car (can't afford one at the
moment) then I would open the door for him.  If we are walking
towards a building, whoever gets there first holds the door for
the other one.  Etc.

-Stephanie Wukovitz
steph@math.cornell.edu
From: k36853p@saha.hut.fi (Tapani Otala)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Over 40 and single....Anyone that "OLD"?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:04:21 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Reply-To: Tapani.Otala@hut.fi
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In article <1ghthrINNa8p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa752@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Louise Billi) writes:
>And it is sad today that wrinkles on a woman mean she is OLD, 
>yet on a man, they add character.  This 'youth oriented' 
>culture leaves the over 40 woman out in the cold.

Hey, have a heart.  Think of all the young men who are
equally deprived because their young Tenderoni are being
scavenged by Sugar Daddy(tm) and Father Figure(tm), the
dynamic duo.

I know, its an evil ploy by <insert-your-favorite-deity>
(plural where applicable) to compensate for the under 20
man out in the cold.

No, wait, now I know.  Its an clever ploy of <insert-your-
other-favorite-deity> (plural where applicable) to save you
from a lot of trouble, which is what these over 40 men
really are if their attention span is only 20 years or so.

Take your pick.  Just remember what they say: you can pick
your nose, and you can pick your friends but you can't pick
your friend's nose... oldie but goodie.

Tapani (hey wow, a place for a clever got-the-last-word-nyah...
	how about: "Abolish Finals, They Cause Acute Insanity -
	Proof Enclosed")

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From: epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Mary)
Subject: Re:      Thanks for 7 inches
Keywords: inches
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:42:44 GMT

In article <9212110155.AA03392@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com> GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu ("Broward " Ruler " Horne") writes:
>>Mary innocently posts:
>>And then I got to come home to: 7 inches of SNOW!!!   *ohhhhnoooooooo*
>
>              At least you got 7 inches of *something*.
>
>>Arrived home at 2:30 a.m. this morning and had to come to work...yes,
>>we are exhausted, folks.  Happy about the TygerBoink, but extremely
>
>              Exhausted from 7 inches??!!
>

I only *wish*...sorry folks, but I'm one of those who only wants snow
once a year...on Christmas Day.

Mary
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From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:33:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.212122.17026@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>In article <8059@news.duke.edu> diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams) writes:
>>In article <15926@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>
>>>When I go out to dinner at a restaurant, whether it`s
>>>dutch or I'm paying, I will choose a place that I can afford to order 
>>>anything that I want off the menu on that particular night.  
>>
>>This sounds like a good idea to me too.  However, given my current 
>>financial state, I could *maybe* affort McDonald's for two.  I guess 
>>that means I just can't ask anyone out until I inherit money, or 
>>something.  
>
>
>No, silly, you ask them out to the Golden Arches Supper Club.  Or to
>a free activity--like a concert or a walk in the park...  
>
>
>Piglet, working to increase the numbers of women.asking.men.out
>
>
>P.S.  I've heroically stayed out of this one, so far, but now that
>I'm actually following up, I CAN'T STOP MYSELF!!!!
>
>For a formal date, the one who does the asking does the paying.  I've
>dated men who couldn't handle the concept of a woman paying for them.
>There was no second date.  
>
>Even on a formal date, I will offer to split the check, but I won't be 
>offended either way...  There are exceptions.  If I had a lousy time, 
>and I NEVER want to see the other person again, I'll stick 'em with
>the check (but only if they did the asking).  I've also grabbed for the 
>check, when I had a really great time...  
>
>The split.the.check offer generally takes the form "So, how much 
>do I owe?"  Leaves room for check splitting, tip paying, or nothing, 
>depending on the other person's response.
>
>I've also picked up the check for friends, and had them pick up
>for me.  (Dinner last night, for a good example.)
>
>My honey and I have a budget, and we share expenses pretty much
>50-50, though we're not terribly rigid.  Whoever has money left
>for the week generally pays, and it pretty much works out.  Neither
>of us is shy, so we keep communicating, and keep the fairness
>levels operating.....
>
>I'll shut up now...  <deep woosh of relief from the ConstantWeader>
>
>
>Piglet, getting hungry with all this talk of check-splitting and dinner-
>purchasing....

Piglet, you are a breath of fresh air!
Do you have a sister?
Does she live in Philly?
Is she free Sat. nite? :-)

Keith R
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Women, Cats, & Chocolate
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:00:03 GMT

In article <thurlow.724803305@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
>In <2b2f8fc6-28d5.16soc.singles-1@vpnet.chi.il.us> akcs.lilmurph@vpnet.chi.il.us (Kerry Lynn Murphy) writes:
>>is this as interesting as the singles can get!!!!  I'm glad I have a
>>boyfriend!!
>By all means don't let the door hit you on the ass as you leave.

no one ever promised life would be interesting all the time.
(besides, if it was, when would you sleep?)

maybe we're glad you have a boyfriend too?

-bacon
From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Truth/Psychiatrists and homosexuality.
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:00:15 GMT
	<42362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <2B27E23B.18596@news.service.uci.edu>
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu's message of 11 Dec 92 00:35:07 GMT

In article <2B27E23B.18596@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:


   psychiatrists are notorious -- like everyone else in the health field --
   for doing experiments on white males from 25 to 45 and extending their
   conclusions to every other human on the planet.  

Yeah.  I'm tired of being assigned to being the lab rat, while all the
kids and women and old people get all the benefits.  Experiment on kids,
and on pregnant women; it isn't fair to make us take all the risks.

Oh, and by the way, psychologists generally experiment on college
students between 18 and 22 -- the ones who take Psych 101 classes.

--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
From: sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Females have it easy!
Date: 19 Dec 92 08:49:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec19.063345.24174@cs.ucla.edu> gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
>In article <1grgmiINNq52@agate.berkeley.edu> monaghn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Mara Monaghan) writes:
>> steven.m.stein wrote:

>I'd like to know why you chose to phrase your question in this way.
>It may be that for every 9 or 10 women that he meets, befriends, and
>is romantically interested in, only one is romantically interested in
>him.
>
>--gregbo

E X A C T L Y !!!!!!  plus, I don't necessarily think those odds are
tremendously outrageous for most.  Unless, of course, one make it
a habit of approaching the unapproachable.


                 Steve Stein  (609) 639-2264
    *******************************************************
    *  Just my opinion, though it could change tomorrow   *
    *******************************************************         
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: Attraction -> Acquiantance or vice versa?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:25:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
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Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <1992Dec10.192418.7360@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>
>       c) a man is not going to spend some major portion of his free time
>          (once he knows better, that is) with a woman that he does not
>          find himself physically attracted to, nor she to him.
>          (women do this all the time.... these men are called
>           "just good friends" or, my favorite "wannabees")

What do you mean "*just* good friends"?  There's a difference between
a good friend and a wannabee.  A good friend is a good friend.  A
wannabee is generally speaking a rather pathetic individual who's
*not* a good friend, but merely pretending to be in the hopes of
getting laid.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: michele@dgbt.doc.ca (Michele Guillet)
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:34:32 GMT

>In article <1992Dec15.102722.17472@rs6000.bham.ac.uk>, pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:
>> If you give someone little presents, what do you give and what do
>> you like to receive?
>
What I will often give in cases like these are things to be eaten
or drunk: wine, specialties beer, fancy chocolate, cookies,
gourmet coffee or tea, ... it depends on what the person like.

Other nice small things are coffee mugs, scarves, calendars, agendas,
tapes, CD, ... 

-- 
Michele Guillet 			The Communications Research Centre 
3701 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA, K2H 8S2	tel:613-998-2384
Internet: michele@dgbt.doc.ca
From: diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Je suis fini et j'ai fini
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:54:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Hi, ya'll.  Just wanted to say that

I'M DONE WITH MY NEUROBIOLOGY FINAL!

Not, of course, that anyone cares.  Now all I have to finish before
I leave town is one short psychology paper, which I could do standing
on my head, or sitting on Charlie's chest for that matter. (Charlie,
you'll have to agree to make lots of noise so that I'll stay awake.)
Right now, though, I think I have to go make myself gloriously ill
by eating a huge Wendy's meal, then crawl into a corner and hibernate
for a few hours until my systems are nominal again.  What a weekend-
finish a neurobiology final and trash my own cerebral cortex in the
process!  ("Gee, professor, I *would* have finished the exam, but my
hippocampal complex perished from an overdose of Dr. Pepper and fatigue
poisons, and the time-limited retrograde amnesia often seen as a result
of hippocampal damage caused me to forget all about the final exam.")

				--Diamond

diamond@acpub.duke.edu| We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn
Elizabeth S. Abrams   | them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress 
		      | but the memory of the smell of smoke, and the  
                      | presumption that once our eyes watered. -Tom Stoppard
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:18:36 GMT

In article <102594@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
(Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
[a story about a female friend of hers whose date did not pay for
anything, even though he invited her out]
>POP QUIZ:  
>1) When Sam asked Jane out again a couple of weeks later, what do
>you think her response was?  

Probably, she hung up the phone on him.

>2) Do you think Jane thought to herself:
>	a. "That Sam, what a prince of a guy!"
>	b. "Sure hope he asks me out again!"
>	c. "I feel like a total scumwad and intend to join a convent.
>	    But first I hope he gets incurable hives."

d. Why are men always such jerks?

*****

I believe she is perfectly entitled not to go out with him again, if
she doesn't want to.  I also believe he is perfectly entitled not to
treat her to anything, if he doesn't want to.  They'll both be happier
finding someone whose philosophies towards spending money on dates are
the same.

The point I've been trying to make all along is questioning the notion
of "inviter pays", if the gender of the inviter, or the invitee, or
assumptions (which may no longer be relevant) are an issue.  I see
this as orthogonal to the notion of treating someone to an event.  The
difference is in the attitude of the recipient of the treat; if they
see themselves as the entitled recipient of a treat based on
assumptions, they're not likely to be asked out again (by me).

--gregbo
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Females have it easy!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:34:48 GMT

In article <JoeMan.7.724562272@> JoeMan@ (Joe Tooman) writes:
>Not to bitch or anything, but it seems to me that the female does not have
>any problem finding a guy anytime she feels like she wants a relationship.
>As a guy, I find that it is very hard to find a female that seems intrested.
>I have a good personality and I am told I rate an 7 on a scale from 1 to 10
>looks wise.  In my last relationship, my SO always commented how a guy would
>ask for her phone number once a day on average, while I have never been asked
>once for my phone number except by some undesirables.  Maybe it is I don't do
>something right, or am not that persistant, but I am sure envious of women
>at this point.  I am moderatly shy, but that will not stop me from asking
>a woman I am intrested in for her phone number, but it would be a whole lot
>nicer if it was the other way around!  Oh well, what do you guys think...

I think that 7 on a scale of 10 is meant to make you feel good and
explains your predickament.
 
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From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Abortion
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:36:18 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <MARTINC.92Dec11221535@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>Yes, Keith, it is.

I stand corrected, Charles.  However, it is interesting that no one
who corrected me bothered to mention that the correct group is 
talk.abortion.  However, I do offer my apologies.  I was wrong this time.
--Keith

Xref: sparky soc.singles:34354 soc.women:21650 soc.men:21406
From: ci022@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: Vasectomies (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:02:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ci022@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Kirby)
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In a previous article, kyle@Ingres.COM (Kyle Smith) says:

>In article <1992Dec17.183400.4327@island.COM> don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
>>All this debate about a pre sex contract has made me start to consider 
>>a vasectomy. I'm 35, already have one kid, and don't have anyone who 
>>I would want to have another with. My only real concern is that
>>if I do have one and I change my mind, is it reversable ?

Me too.   I'm sure I don't want kids, but I used to be just as
sure that rock and roll was devil music.  Now I don't like to burn
any bridges behind me no matter how sure I am.  Has any research 
been done on people changing their minds?  Are there any reasons 
for not wanting kids that indicate a higher probability of changing 
your mind?

>	In about 1/3 of the cases the operation to reverse the vasectomy
>	is successful.
... with probibility of success dropping off after a few years.

And using a sperm bank as insurance against changing your mind
isn't reliable either.  The freezing process is very hard on
the sperm, and only about 1 man in 3 makes sperm that can
survive.  Also, the longer they stay frozen the less likely
they are to be viable.

Are my facts right?  I think I read them in "How Not to Get
Pregnant" by Sherman Silber, but it might have been the 
bathroom wall instead.

Hmmm.  That gives me an idea.  Usenet terminals in the bathrooms
to discourage grafetti.
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