From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:01:19 GMT

In <Bw0rBM.BJ3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins) writes:

>The simple fact is that the Democrats have traditionally courted labor
>unions and "widows, orphans, and people on fixed incomes" for their
>support.  In recent years the power of labor unions has dwindled to

That's not all...also every minority (and there are a lot of them)
that have been callously ignored by the rich white heterosexual males
in corporate business and the military, which is all the GOP is interested in.

>practically nothing.  Democrats of course blame Republicans, but the
>fact is that the unions are full of holes from shooting themselves in
>the foot.  The poor of all races tend to vote for anyone who promises

The unions have no one to blame but themselves.

>>this.  Yet, it's the President's job to work with Congress, and Bush
>>has shown himself unable to do this.

Damn right...both Bush and Congress are examples of the spiteful 
government that must no longer be tolerated.  Government among the
three branches, in a system of checks and balances, is supposed to
be about compromise, not ego.

>You neglected to mention that when Bush did negotiate with Congress on a tax
>increase so that they would agree to pass some of his own legislation, Ron
>Brown and the Democratic political machine used it as one of their primary
>weapons to bring down an extraordinarily popular incumbent president.

Sorry, Fred, he brought himself down.  Anyone stupid or naive enough to
make such a unilateral promise as "No new taxes" deserves to lose popularity.

>Along that same line, I've recently seen several stories in the news about
>the sorry state of our schools, and that things are so bad that students
>even have to buy their own pencils and paper!  Here's a hot news flash:  In
>all the years I was in school, we _always_ bought our own pencils and paper.

I've always had to buy my own school supplies, too.  I don't think this is
news, and it really trivializes the serious and sorry state of education
today.  Bush has done next to nothing in this direction.  You want to talk
about a sorry state?  In California, where I went to high school, around
five teachers were laid off each year I was there.  Classes were too large.
Programs were cut.  Old equipment could not be renewed.  Mouldering text-
books could not be replaced.  That's not a matter of buying a pencil, that's
a matter of receiving a second-rate education due to Governor Wilson's
neglect and Bush's inaction.

>>Also, Clinton plans to cut U.S. forces in Europe faster than Bush does
>>and I approve of that, too.

>One little detail that Clinton left out of his comment during the first
>debate was that the 50,000 additional troops coming back from Europe
>will mean 50,000 more people competing for jobs in the civilian job
>market.  We simply don't need 50,000 more troops in the States.

Oh!  Well, that's a good reason for leaving them in Europe!  In fact,
why don't we send MORE troops out to various countries?  Let's foist
our burgeoning population on the rest of the world and leave the rich
prodigal sons behind to pick and choose from among the most lucrative
positions on the corporate ladder.  Quayle would be proud of you, boy.

>Americans.  I am not at all in tune with the arm of the party that wants to
>force its values on me, for example, for the same reason I've always
>rejected the Democratic position of providing all things to all people.

Oh, like the environmental--whoops, education--whoops, foreign policy--
whoops, warondrugs--whoops, no new taxes--whoops et cetera prez was not
trying to provide all things to all people?  Wake up and smell the cat
food, son, that's what politics is _about_.

>After watching Mr. Clinton last evening, I've concluded that I simply
>don't trust him.  Some say they see a compassionate individual who only
>wants to make things better.  I see a shallow, egotistical individual
>who will say and do _anything_ to achieve his ultimate ego trip.  At his

To run for president, you _have_ to have an ego trip, and Clinton, as well
as Bush and Perot, has it.

>recent $1,000 per plate Hollywood fund-raiser, Mr. Clinton said that he has
>always aspired to be one of the cultural elite.  I am not at all surprised.
>Acting is clearly what he has always done best.

Unlike certain Gippers of recent memory, eh?  I'm sure men such as he and
Bush never sat down to $1, 000 per plate fund-raisers.

>It's going to be a very interesting four years.

Damn straight.

--
We will worship like the druids,
drinking strange fermented fluids,
running naked through the woo-ids,
'coz that's good enough for me!

grendel@camelot.bradley.edu

From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:05:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Bush Deserves to Lose, and Other Thoughts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA