HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Washington 17 USC 12+ ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:18:41 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>
>exuwry@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>>
>>On the Washington interception in the endzone that killed the
>>Trojans, I noticed that the Washington player never put his knee
>>down in the endzone to cause a touchback.  He intercepted the pass
>>and ran off the field out of the endzone with his teammates.
>>
>>Help me, did the Pac 10 officials (and everybody else) miss an
>>easy call ?  Please respond if anyone else saw this.
>
>Bailey ran out of the endzone on the side and just tossed the ball to an
>official.  You don't have to touch your knee down...running out the side
>of the endzone is also sufficient to end the play.  By the way, unlike the way your
>title suggests, it is virtually impossible to score a safety on an
>interception.  In order for this to happen, the defensive player must
>voluntarily run into the endzone after catching the ball.  If a defensive
>player catches it in the endzone and never makes it out, it is a touchback.
>If the defensive player catches it at the one yard line and his momentum
>carries him in, the ball will be placed at the one yard line unless he
>returns it out further than that.  The only way a ball intercepted in the
>endzone could lead to a safety is if the defensive player tried to run it out,
>then changed his mind and went back into the end zone and downed the ball.
>
>>/Bill
>
>Cliff Slaughterbeck           *
 
When an interception occurs in the endzone and, in the judgement of the
official, there is no attempt to advance the ball then the ball is
dead and the play is ruled a touchback.  This is what you witnessed
in the USC @ UW game.
 
However, suppose the intercepting player attempts to advance the ball -
then the ball remains alive.  If, before leaving the endzone, he fumbles
and the other team recovers in the endzone or the other team simply
takes the ball away from him, the play is ruled a touchdown.  If he is
downed before leaving the endzone, the play is ruled a touchback.
 
In addition to running out of the endzone and then back into it,
there are two other ways where a safety would be called after an
interception.
 
A player intercepts the ball at his 6-yard line and his own momentum
carries him into the endzone where he is downed.  This is a safety.  If
the intercept had occurred inside the 5-yard line, the ball would have
been spotted at the point of interception.
 
A player intercepts the ball deep in his own endzone and attempts to run
it out but is downed in the endzone.  During the runback one of his
teammates is called for a clip in the endzone.  This is a safety if the
clipping penalty is accepted.
 
-- 
Jon_Schmidt@stortek.com  Storage Technology Corporation
(303) 673-3581 - voice   2270 South 88th Street
(303) 673-6039 - fax     Louisville, Colorado 80028-5209
From: tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: California - Washington game
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:56:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct8.205649.9048
Organization: University of Washington

scott@fraud.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Silvey) writes:


>Washington's offensive and defensive schemes are sort of a mini-California
>configuration so the two teams apparently look very similar game-wise.  ;^) 

>To prepare the Cal players for hostile territory where 72000+ screaming weenie
>dawgs are expected to show up, Gilbertson has been having the Cal band play the
>Washington fight song at practice all week.

>Go Bears!

>Washington too ... hope you guys do really well for the rest of the season
>after this week.

I'll be at the game in Husky stadium rooting, discretely, for Cal.  I hope
they do well, i.e., don't get blown out.  I even think they have a chance
since Washington is hurting at the running back position; however,
Napolean Kaufman is a potential game-breaker, so Cal had better keep him
close to the line of scrimmage.  The Huskies weakness on defense is
against the run, though, so Russell White could also have a big day. 
That's why I think the Bears have a chance in this one, despite
Washington's rating.
From: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Preview (10-17-92)
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:47:30 GMT
Reply-To: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

>
>This was at the top of a lengthy story about the longtime feud between
>White and USC coach Larry Smith over who slimed whom when White was
>being recruited, and the ugliness between the players during Cal's
>52-30 rout of USC last year.

It's interesting (but not surprising given Cal's performance thus far)
that there hasn't been much "trash talking" this year by White and the
rest of the Cal team.

I know 'SC is generally accused of being classless, but last year's
display by the Cal players and coaches, both before and after the game,
was probably the most classless thing I've ever witnessed in college
sports.  Ok, make fun of the school, the team, the players, the student's,
the coaches, the city, but the coaches wife?  I wasn't so surprised that
the players were saying these things.  I was more surprised that the
coaches allowed and even participated in it.  Not the way to build a
dynasty.  BTW, the 'SC game wasn't the only game where this happened.  I
recall that there were similar statements prior to the Stanford and
Clemson game, though I don't remember what they were.  I don't agree very
often with my friends from Cal, but we seem to agree here.

Anyway, a lot of people down here are dissapoined that White won't be
making the game.  It would be a lot more fun if Cal were at full strength.
Whatever happens it should be interesting.

BTW, I know that this may be the wrong thing to ask for now, but does
anyone know of any other incidents, games, etc. you consider to be, oh,
sort of less than "classy?"  This email is not in the running :)


Fight on!

Stan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Huskies have lost last three in Autzen!
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:42:02 GMT

Could there be another?  Hmmmm....

Just a bold prediction!

Go Ducks!

	-Casey
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Preview (10-10-92)
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:13:21 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct8.221835.17995@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>
>  [STUFF DELETED]
>
>California @ Washington  (game of the week)
>
>In a meeting of last year's two top ranked teams from the Pac Ten and a
>matchup of Keith Gilbertson, last year's offensive coordinator for the
>Huskies and Don James, his mentor, look for emotion to run high for both
>sides.  Both teams run the same offenses and defenses, but Washington has
>the better athletes.  This game could be closer than a lot of people think.
>
>William Tell		UW 14	Cal 14	<-- He's from Cal
>Marc Tremblay		UW 24	Cal 14
>Robert Willers		UW 27	Cal  6
>Brian Hiegel		UW 27	Cal 13
>Gidi Avrahami		UW 17	Cal 13
>Greg Garbe		UW 31	Cal 14
>Eric Jaderlund		UW 30	Cal 13
>Eric Arendts		UW 27	Cal 21
>Mark Choi		UW 21	Cal 17
>Yong-Qin Lu		UW 27	Cal 17
>Cliff Slaughterbeck	UW 33	Cal 21
>Vegas Line		UW by 12

  WHAT??  This is amazing.  Cal is a team that is very capable of beating 
this troubled Husky team.  I am amazed that so many people picked the UW
to win and only one picked UW and Cal to tie come Saturday.  As much as
I'd like to see the Huskies win, I am trying to be realistic.  
  Maybe the Huskies are pissed after the USC game... who knows??

>Stanford @ UCLA  (game of the week #2)
>
>The Bruins lost a horribly played game at Arizona last week, and looked very
>bad, especially in the offensive line.  Funny how Arizona does that to
>people.  Stanford, on the other hand, ran up 33 points to beat the favored
>Irish in Coach Bill's journey back to South Bend.  I expect the Bruins
>to rebound from the way they played in Arizona (especially against the
>run), but not well enough to beat a steadily improving Stanford team
>that has a strong defense of their own and is getting better every week
>offensively.

  GO CARDINAL!!

>
>
>WSU @ OSU
>
>Oregon State wnet back to their old fashioned horrible self last week
>getting pasted 42-0 by the Bears.  This week, they face undefeated WSU,
>who probably has a better offense, although not as good of a defense as
>the Bears did.  This one shouldn't be much of a contest by halftime.

  The wishbone does NOT work!!  :)

>
>****************************************************************************
>Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
>Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
>University of Washington      *   water again!
>Seattle, WA 98195             *
>****************************************************************************

May the Huskies win!!  *fingers crossed*

-Baze
From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:33:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>they as intense to both teams?

A few come to mind...

Texas - Oklahoma
Texas - Texas A&M
USC - UCLA
Auburn - Alabama
California - Stanford
Nebraska - Oklahoma
Michigan - Ohio State

There are many others, but the above are very intense.
-- 
Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl..National Champiom??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:57:19 GMT

In article <7e3.03U9abGe00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.175510.2538@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>>>Cardinal must travel to Seattle this year, Stanford has a real
>>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>>chance of beating UW, especially if the Card learns how to convert
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Look what you've done! Aaaargh! Now Stanford has no chance of
>>winning... You're *not* supposed to say things like that before the
>>game. It goes like this: you spend the weeks leading up to the game
>>saying how good they are, you show up an underdog, you spot'em a 16-0
>>lead to make them overconfident and then, BAM! 33 unanswered points...
>>
>>
>>========================================================
>>| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
>>| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Well, with this in your .sig that either makes you a hypocrate or
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^
>else you are expecting the Huskies to drop a game against Oregon,
>Arizona, or Washington State.  Basically Stanford will have to beat
>Washington if they want to go to the Rose Bowl, and still beat USC
>and Cal.

HYPO-  prefix:  2 less than, subordinated to. 

CRATE  n: 1 a large basket or hamper of wickerwork, or a box or case
            made of slats of wood.

Well, I've been called many things, but I'd like to think that I'm
*more* than a large basket... Therefore, that must mean that I'm
expecting the Huskies to drop a game against Oregon, Arizona or
Washington State. Actually, it's more like I'm praying... 

========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
========================================================
From: ds4@north6.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami, Florida
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.010319.464@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@shakespeare.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
|> First of all, I think Holtz did call a time out.  Second of all,

Yes, I do remember him calling a time out, but it was after there was almost no
time left.  He just let the clock run out.

|> Michigan finsihed the game with 3 time outs remaining.  IF Michigan
|> was playing for the win, why didn't they use any of them to try and
|> get the ball back?

There was not enough time for Michigan to get the ball back for one.  Plus, they
were probably thrown off by Holtz play calling...a run up the middle.  Also, who
would think a coach would do that and not call a time out.
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:58:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>, milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:

> What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
> they as intense to both teams?

Auburn-Alabama is pretty intense.  It is hard for me to imagine a rivalry
any more intense.  Some rivalries might be just as bad (or good, depending
on your point of view).

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: msengup@eos.ncsu.edu (MAITREYA  SENGUPTA)
Subject: Re: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:33:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.194736.24485@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
|> In article <92289.022028KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> >In article <2fN=03Lnabjp00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie
|> >Townsend) says:
|> >
|> >>Wait a minute! Two MNC's in the 80's for JoePa?
|> >Yes.
|> >>1980 GA Dogs
|> >>1981 USC The one in LA
|> >>1982 Was this Penn State's other year?
|> >
|> >Yes.  Beat Herschel Walker and the Georgia Bulldogs.
|> >
|> >>1986 Penn State
|> >
|> >Beat ANOTHER Heisman winner....
|> >
|> >------------
|> >Kurt Ludwick
|> >------------
|> 
|> 
|> Kurt, I thought the Clemson tigers were MNC in '82.  Beat the dog out of someone
|> in the orange bowl.
|> 
|> Dale

	Actually I think Clemson beat the dogs in the '82 Orange Bowl to
win the '81 MNC. PSU won the '82 MNC. At least I think that is right.....

M.Sengupta
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UT at Austin seriously???
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:08:41 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
>
> I love college football (especially in Texas) !!!

Oh really?

Cliff (I didn't know there was college or football in Texas) Slaughterbeck

:-)  <-- another one of them funny typo's appended for the humor-impaired.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: SOONERS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:18 EST  

In article <1992Oct15.215650.12669@midway.uchicago.edu>, tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
> what the hell is a sooner?
> 

A cowboy to whom the rules don't apply, whose greatest pride is in cheating 
and getting away with it.

At least that's what they taught ME in history.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang

R Dendy
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: penn state's "ranking"
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:27:54 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Oct7.170634.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>
>Yeh, I was hoping BYU might give them a challege later on AT BYU.  But it looks
>like Penn St. will come into Cougar Stadium against a rebuilding Detmer-less
>BYU offense.  BYU did sneak passed UTEP and Utah St. for their two wins.
>
>Maybe, they can sneak passed Penn St...

Not to woof, but...

Don't underestimate BYU.  Although they are 2-3, their three losses are
at Marshall Faulk State (by a touchdown), against UCLA (again by a touchdown),
and at Hawaii (by less than a touchdown).  In all three games, they had
a chance to win/tie and a turnover in the last couple of minutes cost them
the game.  Except for a few critical miscues, they could easily be 5-0.

At SDSU, it was a muffed punt on what would have set BYU up with good
field position, the ball, and a last-minute chance.  Remember that this
game was already 45-38, so scoring on the last possesion wasn't exactly
unlikely.  The announcers were already starting to talk about another 
tie and whether BYU would go for two.

Against UCLA, they were on the UCLA 10-yard line with two minutes to go,
their starting QB already out of the game, and their primary running back 
just out with an injury after setting them up with a first down at the 10.
Their second-string QB threw an interception at the goal line to seal
the victory for UCLA.

At Hawaii (as I understand it), they had the lead and the ball with a chance
to run out the clock.  A fumble gave the ball to Hawaii and set up the
winning (or in this case, losing) touchdown.

Oh, and they did more than just sneak past their opponents in their victories 
(although they were only UTEP and Utah St.)

I'm not saying BYU will win against Penn State.  In fact, I think Penn State
will win.  ["Oh great football gods, who frown on woofing, I think BYU will 
lose by 222 points...."]  Just don't overlook them, though.


P.S. Is "sneak passed" [sic] a pun?  :-)


-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:18:21 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <ASH.92Oct14132344@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
> In article <1992Oct12.161159.16488@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> 
>    >What do you call forcing teams to settle for field goal attempts rather
>    >than putting it in the endzone for six?
> 
> I call it good defense.  Maybe the best defense in the nation.
> Unfortunately, the number 1 team must not only have good defense, but
> good offense as well.  Miami is sorely lacking in this department, and
> therefore does NOT deserve to be number 1.  That's my opinion, and I'm
> always right.                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I like this line of argument. Takes away all counter-arguments in
one stroke.

I wish I were given this power over my thesis committee. sigh.. #)



_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
#######################################################
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Worst Rule in College Football
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:03:06 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <92286.160730MBAJSA@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>  jeff appleman >  And how many times have you seen a Hail Mary perfectly defended or close and
> the zebras decide there was interference. It works both ways - the announcers
> even get this right - "it's time to put it up and hope for a miracle or get the
> interference call". Talk about a game decided by the officiating!!
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Unfortunately, I cannot disagree more about this. If human decision is a big
factor, use supplemental assistance such as instant replay, instead of sacrificing
a good rule!! This reminded me of the question why CFA does not use instant replay
in questionable calls made by human officials. I believe that the main reason that
CFA does not adopt the instant replay (as in NFL last year and before) was because
somebody argued that not every CFA games have TV broadcastings; therefore, it is
UNFAIR to those teams without it. If this is true, I think it is very stupid.
It sounds like "because not everybody in U.S. has a car, so everybody has to walk
to be fair". This kind of "fairness" is what I called "cut-head" fairness --- 
everyone has to be the same in height, so if you're taller, cut your head off!!
 
Certainly, adopting instant replay may lengthen the game, but to make a game fairer,
I think instant replay + right rule is more important. A defensive passing 
interference should be penalized 10+ yards beyond the point of foul, if dispute
occurs, use instant replay to review it. If there is no instant replay, well,
we have to rely on the officials, such a game will be less fairer than the one
with instant replay, but at least it is equally fair to the two teams in that
game.
--

  UU    UU        CCCCCC
  UU    UU       CC    CC
  UU    UU       CC               T. J. FAN, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
  UU    UU SSSSS CC
  UU    UUSS   SSCC    CC         - A Trojan Fan and ND Hater
   UUUUUU SSSS    CCCCCC
             SSSS
          SS   SS
           SSSSS
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: fran@cs.washington.edu (Tak Ming Pang)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:34:33 GMT

>>#1 until Washington loses, or if they beat Oregon State by less than 
>>seven points.
>>
>
>beating a dead horse (i.e. scoreing in the last two minutes to pad the
>score like Washington did to Cal) shouldn't factor in the polls either.
>
      I guess everyone feels better to beat a dead horse 
      than fighting with a wounded lion/cat in the last minute
      of the game. 

>THe bottom line is the w-l record.  IMHO Alabama, Colorado, A&M, Miami,
>and Washington can all lay legitimate claims to #1.  Washington and
>

>
>John L
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Weekend in Las Vegas!
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:42:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <39030@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>
>* Good bets on next week's lines;
>
>	BYU -7.5 vs. FresnoSt
>	[A step up in class for FresnoSt]
>	Miami +1.5 @ PennSt
>	[The line went from pick to +1.5, Miami is very quick]
>	California +13 @ Washington
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	[Considering Washington's sputtering off. and a big play
>	Cal offense/defense, Cal may get a late cover for
>	Gilbertson, the ex-UW man.]

   Trying to jinx my team again this week?  First Cliff now you?? :-)

  Doug
-- 
                                                     Doug Fierro
                                      |\             UTS System Software
  O                         __________|_\______      CASE tools development
  \_.______________________| * * * * * * * * */      fierro@uts.amdahl.com
 __\____                   |=================/       (408)746-7102
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college