From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:44:11 GMT

In article <C17MMB.8qs@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> plarimer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (         ) writes:
>In <93020.190448RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>>-The rest, though, are the beliefs I have which I connect in some sense
>>-with being a feminist:
>>-
>>-1.  Awareness of date rape should be raised among college students (my
>>-    age group).
>
>    This is an issue that any socialy concernd person would agree with,
>    not just a feminist, and not just a female.
>
>>-2.  Abortion is morally wrong, and should be illegal except in the case
>>-    when the life of the woman is in danger... etc etc disclaimer etc
>>-    etc more disclaimer...rape...incest..etc.
>      
>       I wont touch this one, since I'm a man and believ I have no
>       right to even suggest what is propper for a female to do 
>       her body.
>
>>-3.  If birth control fails, both the man and the woman should be stuck
>>-    with supporting the child, or else must agree to put the child up
>>-    for adoption.
>
>>-4.  Educational establishments are still in various ways preventing or
>>-    discouraging women from reaching their full potential in such areas
>>-    as engineering, math etc.  Female role models would play an important
>>-    part in overcoming this.
>    
>       3&4 are also issues that span across gender to being socialy concerned
>
>>-5.  Censorship of pornography is OK.  (Note: here take pornography to mean
>>-    sexual material which *I* think is degrading to men or women.  If some-
>>-    one is in doubt as to whether or not something is pornography, they
>>-    can just ask me! :)
>      
>      You hit the head of the nail there, Degrading is differnt word
>      to differnt people, hard one to ever get a consensus on. but its
>      also another socialy concernd person issue
>
>>-6.  Affirmative action is OK.
>
>      Well in the current scheme of the world I would agree, but then again
>      another.......you know.
>
>>-7.  Sexual harrassment of men or women is bad.  Men and women have a respon-
>>-    sibility to learn about what the other gender (or anyone) might
>>-    consider harassing, and to respect this.
>>-8.  Men and women make equally good parents,and equally good employees.
>>-9.  Jokes putting women down are sexist.  Jokes putting men down are funny.
>>-    (This is terrible, I know, and I feel guilty.  I know
>>-    its wrong but... but... well, I'm working on it.  Q:  How many
>>-    feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?  A:  Thats not funny.)
>>-10. Men and women should be paid the same for doing the same job.
>>-11. Jobs
>>-    that have traditionally been done by women are underpaid (like nursing).
>>-12. Women should be drafted as well, where a draft exists.
>>-13. There is an epidemic of male violence against women.
>>-14. It would be great to have a female Prime Minister of Canada!
>
>      7-14 all of these also fall under being socialy concernd.
>
>Well I agree with everything you wrote in most part, but because
>of my gender I cant realy be called a feminist (Can I??).  So 
>maybe your not a feminist either, unless I'm missing something
>you seam like Socialy concernd person that holds many beliefs 
>that I myself do, or do I not tottaly understand the word feminist?
>
>
>-Preston
>
>
>
>
>-- 
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>Yes, I know there's spelling errors, there always is.
><Plarimer@ucs.indiana.edu>
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Yes, men can be feminists.

Many of these did not become issues until women raised them (such as date
rape, sexual harrassment, comparable worth).

My basic definition of a feminist is one who believes that women should
have a status equal to men.  In my lifetime, there was a time when women
could be denied the right to own property or to even have credit in their 
own name.
   
 Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

		"Creativity overcomes violence."
				John Bradshaw on "Homecoming"
 

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