HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Analogy between Cyprus and Bosnia
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:21:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt573o.BG0
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><BszqrF.5Ew@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>> Keep your cries for yourself. WE NOW KNOW TURKS VERY WELL. YOU'VE SHOWN
>> YOUR REAL FACE IN CYPRUS. NOBADY CAN BELIEVE YOU ANYLONGER.

>Satire does not look pretty upon a 'tamtam' tombstone.

 What ment was that the purpose of the Turkish invasion in Cyprus was to
 annex the northern part of the island.  The dreams of a new Ottoman
 Empire are becoming even stronger in Turkey today. Turkey is becoming
 the prodigee (sp?) of every muslim in the world.

 My guess is that if Turkey is allowed to send troops in Bosnia, then forget
 peace in the region. They are going to bring hundrends of thousands
 of settlers from Turkey (see Cyprus) to alter the demografics of the area.
 Then, if peace talks ever start, they are going to find a way to keep them
 for decades, so that no solution for ever is going to be found.  Exactly
 same thing w/ Cyprus.

>Hasan B-) MUTLU (Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit)
                  -      -      -       -     -


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: 'Zap* The Criminal' Of IBM Will Not Get Away With His Crimes.
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:27:26 GMT






<9208130010.AA18547@zoro.cis.temple.edu>
zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU (Zaphiris Christidis)

>Here is your news poster Computer 'ucbvax.berkeley.edu' Cosar, whispering
>silly nothings in your ear, but never-the-less the truth. Read them and weep.

What is your problem with 'ucbvax,' 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM. Well, in 
any event, I've got great news for you. 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM, residing 
at 'ibm.com,' will not get away with his crimes. 

1. 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM is a self-admitted thief.
2. 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM violated the US criminal law.
3. 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM violated the US copyright law.
4. 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM cooperated with the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
   terrorists.

Caveat emptor.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: How many languages do you speak mutlu?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:42:37 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><BszHxt.1vL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>[20] Yoannina Vasdraveli, Ee Thessaloniki: Kata Ton Agona Tis Aneksantizias
>>>    (Salonica, 1946), pp.19-35; Yitzchak Kerem, An Outline of the History
>>>    of Jews of Selonica (in Hebrew) (Museum of Kibbutz Lahoma, Getaot, 1985),
>>>    p.21, quoted in Kerem, ibid., p.15.

>> Speek also Greek creep?

>There is no such word. Use 'tamtam.'

 Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit (MUTLU) I have a simple question for you: 

 You have used Greek and French references in the past.  I'm asking you
 if you speak Greek and French. Well, do you? 

 Answer this simple question.

>[6] A. Neubauer and M. Stern, Hebraische Berichte uber die Judenverfolgungen
>    wahrend der Kreuzzuge (Berlin, 1892), and review by Charles Porges,
>    'Les Relations Hebraiques des Persecutions des Juifs pendant la Premiere
>    Croisade', Revue des Etudes Juives XXV (1892), 181-201, XXVI (1893),
>    183-197.

 Add German to my previous question.

>Hasan B-) Mutlu



-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Mutlu, are you blonde?
Date: 11 Aug 92 16:49:48 GMT





<1992Aug12.010904.28943@leland.Stanford.EDU>
arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)

>	Mutlu, how do you look? Are you blonde/brunet, what is your weight
>and height? Do you have a moustache? 

A Nazi Armenian demands a slave?

>	Some people suggested that you are a AI program, some - that you are
>actually a jelly fish, so I am just curious.

'Merak' or 'Yarak?'

>	Please be as descriptive as possible. After all these thousands of
>postings in my newsfile you have become a part of my life, so I think I am at
>least entitled to have a visual image of yours.

If I had done that, would I have become a famous Nazi-Armenian?
The Armenian dictators traditionally employed extreme means for the
sake of the Armenian cause, including terrorism and genocide. In World
War I, they supported the uprising of the Armenian population in the
Ottoman empire and exterminated 2.5 million defenseless Muslims between
1914-1920.

While having collaborated with the Nazis against Stalin during the
Second World War, Nazi Armenians changed their policy after Hitler's
defeat. They now backed Stalin's claims on Eastern Turkish provinces,
hoping that these would be annexed to Soviet Armenia and their Muslim 
population would be exterminated. Stalin played on Armenian national
sentiments to enlist the support of Armenians in the USSR and America
for his imperial ambitions.[1] Stalin's ultimatum to the Turkish
government led Truman to formulate his famous Doctrine.

[1] Walter Kolarz, 'Religion in the Soviet Union,' (London, Macmillan &
    Co Ltd; New York, St Martin's Press 1961), pp. 160-164.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Followup-To: soc.culture.europe
Reply-To: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Organization: UC Berkeley IC CAD Group
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:41:59 GMT

(note: followup edited to keep the discussion in soc.culture.europe)
In article <Aug.12.22.48.02.1992.24647@pilot.njin.net>, hubey@pilot.njin.net
(Hubey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.220119.14110@src.umd.edu> tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas
>Grant Edwards) writes:
>
>> I agree totally with your statement.  Military terror is not going to
>> stop the conflict for the long-term, and that's where we should be
>> looking.  
>
>
>First off, I agree that long term solutions should be sought. However,
>your other statement is off. Military terror stopped the Nazis
>and Mussolini's fascisti. In fact, military terror is the only
>thing that stops military terror.

That was a military INVASION, not ethnic strife. The two things are different.

Furthermore, the price to pay may be too high. I am sure that 10 nuclear bombs
can achieve the same effect. But would you do it ? Even if it were the only way
to stop it ?

>The reasons can be sought in Control Theory:
>
>1) Positive feedback is neither necessary nor sufficient.
>2) Negative feedback is both sufficient and necessary.

I already commented on the controllability/observability pre-conditions even in
control theory. Furthermore positive/negative are not MORAL terms in control
theory.
I would even claim that reacting with violence to violence is POSITIVE feedback
in control-theoretic terms, and as such it leads to instability and blow-up.

Ciao !
Luciano

-- 
Luciano Lavagno            luciano@ic.Berkeley.EDU            +1-510-642-5012
Dept. of EECS, 207-69 Cory Hall, Univ. of California, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA
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From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:12:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew Int'l Ltd., Tokyo

In article <1992Aug12.004318.21521@spock.retix.com> derek@spock.retix.com (Derek Gallagher) writes a lot of irrelevant stuff such as:

>I know neither there was racial cleansing operations
SAS hit squads, RUC and UDR shoot to kill policies have been and still
are in operation in NI.

>nor the  concentration camps in Ireland like Bosnia 8-).

what about LongKesh and the H-Blocks ?.

>Ireland is an internal problem to British Goverment.

No it should be an internal problem to the Irish Goverment caused by
the British Goverment.

>It was not activated by Thatcher for all fairness.

Total bullshit, Tatcher was responsible for the largest increase in IRA
membership since the early 70's as a direct result of her NI policies.
I have just heard that Channel 4 are trying to air a program that alleges
that the SAS were responsible for the bombings in Dublin in the 70's that
killed innocent civilians, they blamed loyalist groups so that there
would be an increase in nationalist <--> loyalist violence, which
keeps their little training ground alive and makes them look like the
peacekeepers  to the rest of the world.

How about you drag your head out of your back side and edit the "newsgroup"
field to prevent useless cross-posting. This is getting on my nerves.


-- 
 *  __  _  *    Fred "I'll be" Bach  (tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic))
 * ||_ /_| *                                             (Tel. : 813-3597-1595)
 * || /__| *    Arnold, who are you going to be when you grow up ? I'll be Bach
 *         *                Je suis athee, Dieu merci. -B. Bach
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: Re: TSYD Kupasi Maclari Hakkinda Ayrintili Bilgi ?
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:18:45 GMT

In article <pwdyzyh@rpi.edu>, dogrusou@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Ugur Dogrusoz) writes:
|> 
|>    Bu konuda bilgisi olan nete yazabilir mi acaba ?
|> 

Henuz elime o maclarla ilgili olan gazeteler gelmedigi icin detayli
bir bilgi verebilmek durumunda degilim. Ancak hafta sonu Istanbul'dan gelip
GS-BJK macini izleyen arkadasimin soylediklerini iletebilirim.

Mac denk bir mucadele icinde gecmis. Besiktas`da cok sakat varmis. Sakat
oldugu icin Bako, Ulvi, K.Ali, Gokhan, B.Ali, B.Metin ve Mrkela oynamamislar.
Iki takimda daaha cok genclerle oynamislar. Mac karsilikli atilan gollerle
2-2 iken GS son dakika da galibiyet golunu kazanmis. Besiktas'in kalesinde
K. Metin olmadik hatalar yapmis. Besiktas'in gollerini Feyyaz ve bu yil
yeni transfer edilen Guney Afrika'li santrafor Madia (ismini yanlis telafuz
etmis olabilirim) atmislar.

Ayrica TSYD kupasi baslamadan bir kac gun once Istanbul'da oynanan hazirlik
macinda da Trabzonspor FB'yi 4-1 yenmis. Ust uste alinan maglubiyetlerden
sonra FB'nin karistigi ve Metin Asik'in istifaya zorlanacagi, eger olmazsa
elindeki yetkilerinin kisitlanacagi soyleniyormus. FB camiasi bu kadar
transfer yaptik, Ridvan'da oynuyor artik daha ne bu rezalet diyorlarmis.
Eee dilimizde tuy bitti soyleye soyleye, bu is buyuk paralarla olmaz. Bir
takimda sistem yoksa, o takim eger alt yapiya agirlik vermiyorsa, ne kadar
cok para harcarsa harcasin bu is olmaz. Olsa bile basarilar sadece gecici
olur.

Diyecekler ki yine FB'ye catmaya basladi, ama bir ornek vermeden
gecemeyecegim. Genc milli futbol takimimiz gecen ay finalde Portekiz'i 2-1
yenerek Avrupa sampiyonu oldu. Bu Turk futbol tarihinde milli takimlar
duzeyinde alinan ilk Avrupa sampiyonlugu idi. Takimi calisiran Besiktas
alt yapi sorumlusu Serpil Hamdi Tuzun suphesiz basarida en buyuk katkisi
olan biriydi. Ancak oyuncularin geldikleri takimlara baktigim zaman hicbir
tane FB'den gormedim. Oyuncularin 3 tanesi BJK'den 3 tanesi GS'dan, 2 tanesi
Trabzonspor'dan, 1 tane Bayern Munich, digerleri de muhtelif Anadolu
takimlarindan gelmislerdi. Bu da gosteriyor ki diger buyuk kuluplerimiz
alt yapidan oyuncu yetistirmeye agirlik verirken, FB bu yonde hic bir caba
gostermiyor. Yine gecen ay Hurriyet gazetesinde cikan bir yaziya gore
4 buyuk kulubumuz arasinda en cok mali destegi bulmasina karsin tesis
acisindan en kotu durumda olan kulup FB'mis. Bu orneklerin hepsi FB'deki
bugunku zihniyeti gayet iyi ortaya koyarken, ayni zamanda FB'nin bu
kadar transferlere ragmen niye basarisiz oldugunu veya daha dogrusu surekli
olarak basarisini niye surduremedigini ortaya koyuyor.

----------------------------------------------------------------
 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
________________________________________________________________
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From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: 'Eijkhout's Dear Boy.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:14:32 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

I don't know why I even bother, but here goes.

In article <9208112228.A9598Io@anadolu.michigan.com>, han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> <l8fsnoINN8kv@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
|> eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
|> 
|> |> You do not have to read Soc.Culture.Turkish.
|> 
|> >My dear boy, I don't want to. Unfortunately Mutlu posts in a lot of
|> >unrelated newsgroups, in disregard of all recognized standards of posting.
|> 
|> As usual, it is a blatant lie. It is on the record that the British said 
|> to local Armenians, 

Let's forget the 'usual' for a moment, but what does 'it' refer to?
I made two assertions, two neither of which this has any relevance.
Pathetic, mr. Mutlu. You're losing it.

By the way, thanks for proving my point yet again: I edited the newsgroups
line to remove the extra groups that you added to my original post.

|> 'You kill the Muslims and we will supply you with arms and ammunition.'[1]

So what if they said that? Why is it in a follow-up to my post?

|> |> You find
|> |> Hasan very intelligent
|> 
|> >Now wherever did you get that impression?
|> 
|> Your brain was in the salad.

Again, non sequitur.

|> Hasan B-) Mutlu

Victor.
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From: miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Fake?
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:22:09 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

sachs@lhasa.berkeley.edu (Rainer Sachs) writes:

>Mutlu's posting policies are explicable if he is trying 
>to stir up anger against Turks or discredit Turkish policy.
>Not otherwise.  Any reason to believe that he actually 
>has such a hidden agenda?

	I normally wouldn't ask this, but in the interest of cleaning up
	things, if those responding to the ravings of mutlu could put
	"mutlu" in the heading, it would be a lot easier to maintain
	a kill file.

	For those who are not familiar with kill files, they automatically
	filter out any headings or posters whose names have been entered
	in a ".kill" file.  Do a "man rn" or "man nn" as appropriate for
	your case.

	The best way to deal with this idiot is to ignore him.

	- Michael Goldman

-- 
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have
exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban
	Disclaimer:  All views are solely my own & not the views of Acuson.
	<sun!sono!miklg>  or  [miklg@acuson.com]
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: kill files (again)
Date: 12 Aug 92 02:18:48 GMT





<SMITTIE.92Aug12112627@beach.csulb.edu>
smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)

>I wish that Mutlu would keep his ramblings in their
>appropriate place. 

I always do. So what's all this noise about winter and rain and
'smittie' and taxes? 

>He cross-posts his comments to five plus groups and much of
>what he has to say has little to do with the discipline of history. 

Because they belong in there.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: VIZNYUK@Pacific.Mps.Ohio-State.Edu not "physics.ucla.edu"
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:03:05 GMT





<1992Aug14.131209.194@dscomsf.desy.de>
poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser)

>A couple of people can play that game, Cosar/Coras/Mutlu:

I don't get it; this is supposed to show us that you know what you're
mumbling about. Hey 'Poser,' don't worry about occasional backsliding
or lapses.

>You are a hopless naif, a babe in the woods.

And you are so narrow-minded you could see through a 'vizzy-hole' 
with both eyes.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: kazuhiko@lut.fi (Kazuhiko Nakada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: finlandiyaya biraz turkce mesaj gondermeye ne dersiniz?
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:50:54 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


 ben finlandiyanin kucucuk bir bolgesinde iki aydir staj yapmaktayim ve 
 turkiye de ne oldugunu bilmiyorum bana biraz haber gondermeye ne dersiniz.

 aslihan . finland 1992. (simdiden tesekkurler.bu arada mesajinizi oncelikle bir japon alabilir panige gerek yok bana bildirecek.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.rights.human
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Arab/Isreali Wars
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:23:58 GMT

Last week Ilyess Bdira indicated that Isreal's army is a myth and cannot fight a long
war. This has generated some discussions about the definition of long wars and whether
Isreal could win that way.

I suppose if Clinton wins the election and the peace talks come to an end now that
Isreal has the $10 B guarantee and unlimited support from a democratic adminstration,
may be the Arabs should ask Isreal to fight a war using swords, sloagans, and sling
shots. This way the Arabs will be guranteed a long war so they could win one.

It appears that a large number of people are unaware that those wars were excersises so
that the superpowers could vent some steam and test their weapons on the Isrealis' and
Arabs with no clear victor in sight.

A.Faris
From: irfan@APOLLO.ECE.WISC.EDU (Irfan Alan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Two hands and Collars of KOCABAS
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:23:13 GMT

>and if you don't do this or withdraw your own blasphemy towards  
>the words of the God, my two hands will be on your collars in   
>hereafter. (iki elim yakanizda olacak.)  

Allah SWA knows our intention best,  Allah SWA is my wittness that
I did not mean the things the way you interpreted.  The common sense
would understand what we have meant with those phrases.
  
>iki elim yakanizda olacak......  
The same is valid for yourself.  Do you think your collars is not
going to be held.  Not only by myself, by the servants of Qur'an
and Iman (faith) because of the damage that you caused to that service.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.mideast
From: marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc Milanini)
Subject: Dirty tricks and (some) Turks
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:43:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Summary: Propaganda,forgery,revisionism

In article <1992Aug17.163811.19331@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>Why for once will a Turk not address what is under discussion, is it
>that impossible?, rather than just insult the person he doesn't like
>the views/opinions of.
>
>Does HBM (and the author of the article i'm responding too) really represent
>the honest,typical, middle of the road Turk's view/attitude. I don't think so
>but we have very little evidence to the contrary.
>
>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

Although some of the Turks posting on Usenet are obnoxious little creeps,
we have to keep a good image of the Turks in general. The two Turks I
have met and talked with extensively are nice guys. In particular,
one of them has access to Usenet and has a very low opinion of Hasan
Mutlu.

We now have evidence that the account "han@anadolu.michigan.com"
is a sharepoint used for propaganda purposes by several Goebbels
in shorts (Ahmet Cosar, do you hear me ?). It is also evident that
Mr Cosar, not happy enough with trying to shut down a ftp site (see
his forged message in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, advertising for
porno pictures that he put himself on zoro.cis.temple.edu) is also 
forging messages through his account at anatolia.mn.org, a machine
directly linked to ucbvax at Berkeley.

To me, all this looks like a well organized endeavour to mislead
the netters. Some of them (including myself) have tried to deal
logically with postings that even a child would point out as
unreal and written automatically by programs (in my opinion though,
no AI is needed to create those silly messages from Mutlu). I still think
that it is the safest and only thing to do. I have been tempted several
times to skip any discussion, and reply with something like:

Are you living in an alternate universe, 'Mut*?'

but I recalled that my messages were not so much for Mutlu, but for
the average reader. Anyone with half a brain and no kill-file gets
sick with Mutlu's huge posting of doctored material. The impression
that is left is that something happened in Turkey, and that everybody
was equally responsible.

We have to counter this threat by presenting real arguments. That's
what Davidian (in spite of his hot temper), Milson, Sternlight and
others are doing or have done. Secondarily, since the "authors" seem
so deprived of any sense of humor (how could it be otherwise ?),
a bit of mockery is not out of place.

-- 
=---K8>>@@@@@@@@ Marc Milanini @@@@ marcmil@microsoft.com @@@@%%
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