From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:50:26 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>Nothing.  That is what the police chief must decide for anyone who
>applies for a PLP license.  To have a handgun in your home, you can
>also apply for a Sporting license.  This allows the right to buy 
>handguns and ammunition, keep them in your home, and carry them to
>"sporting events" unloaded in the trunk of your car.  They probably
>only turn people down for this license if they have a felony arrest
>record.

  Bullshit! If you think the police-chief is going to be fair and issue permits
  in an "unbiased" way, guess again. The police chief can be discriminatory if
  he wants, and has the BATFs blessing in doing so. These bastards don't give
  a damn about the Constitution they are sworn to defend. 
  I wonder, is the Constitution even worth the paper it's written on?
  Would our founding fathers be sniping evil politicians for their assault
  on our Civil Rights? Many advocated violence at all costs to preserve the
  Constitution. I guess the "tranquilized masses" are too comfortable with 
  HBO and Air-Conditioning to get off their asses and do something about it.
  You know who you are.

>>Disarming most people is, at best, complete waste of time.  How many
>>people who we don't want carrying obey this law?  None?  Then why are
>>we threatening other people with jail?

  Because the rich and powerful can afford to buy protection, unlike most of
  us. Because the rich and powerful want to protect their assets. And as long
  as the lowly citizens have arms, they might have a way to protest the 
  socio-economic and Civil Rights butt-fucking they are recieving.

>The police would like to know who has guns.

  Yea, so that when the confiscation plans are enacted, they know where to go.
  Lex Malla Lex Nulla!

>>I'll be happy to give Kelly $5 for every "free" appeal he pays for.
>>(An acquaintance was out $500 for only a brief excursion into that
>>process.)  Or, was Kelly referring to the chief's costs?  It is free
>>for him.  A denial that results in significant harm is no skin off his
>>back either.

  Our case which involved the Cheifs refusal to sign our Class III forms
  (while signing left and right for "buddies" (yes, I have proof)) ended
  after over a year of legal manuevering. We did everything by the book.
  There was NO reason any of us were ineligible. The US Constitution, and
  our State Constitution clearly say we have the right to procure these
  firearms. And in the end, our lawyer wanted $1200 up front to handle our
  case. And then it could get expensive. The NRA turned up their noses at our
  request for help. In the end, the BATF sent us a letter telling us that the
  Cheif could do as he pleased, the hell with the Constitution.

>A friend of mine successfully appealed through the State Police by going
>to the local barracks and filling out a form.  He may have had to pay
>a $10 filing fee.  Who did your acquaintance give $500 to?

  Big deal. 90% of the people will be intimidated by the bureaucracy enough
  to give up the fight after the first refusal. And thats of the small
  percentage of the people who had enough balls and know-how to apply in
  the first place. The system wins by attrition, most of the time. After all
  they have unlimited resources to use against us citizens. Once again, only
  the rich and powerful have the ability to get justice.

>>A number of states have decided to issue permits to most anyone who
>>applies.  They haven't had the horrible experience that Kelly assumes.
>>Are Bay Staters different?

  Thats great. But the fact is, whenever they decide to change that policy,
  they can and will do so. And theres not a damn thing you can do about it
  unless you have LOTS of money to throw at it.
  I have what my lawyer called an "clear case", but I can't afford to 
  pursue it. For over a year I contacted pro-RKBA people for help. And all
  I got was a bunch of lip-service (some useful, most not).
  Anyone with lots of money want to finance a sure-win case against Class III
  signiture discrinination in Lexington Ky.? 

>It is a failure, but I don't know that there is a high rate of illegal
>searches.

  High rate? One is too fucking many!

>Rick Kelly    rmkhome!rmk@merk.com    merk!rmkhome!rmk    rmk@frog.UUCP
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