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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Kings look pathetic in exhibition game.
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:02:56 GMT

In article <1ajgaeINNpge@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
>Even though it is very early for new King's head coach Barry Melrose,
>it looks like he hasn't made much of a difference.  The Kings
>today look just like the Kings of old.  They can't get the puck 
>out of their own zone, and they do not seem to work very hard in 
>the corners.
>

Without Gretzky playing, it will be next to impossible to motivate
the old guys.  Remember Barry inherited this team. 

>
>With less than a week to go before the start of the regular season, 
>the Kings have a lot to work on.  I really believe that for the Kings 
>to make the playoffs this season, there is going to have to be a major 
>personnel change because their present line up has much to be desired.
>

>Maybe its time to trade Robitaille??

The team needs some charisma...after all it is LA we are talking
about...so you have to keep Robitaille...
...the Kings have to do what it takes to get Carson back, so they
will at least be able to score goals...Robitaille and any more
draft choices should be the only untouchables.  Carson is still
young...    

>
>Prediction for the Smythe this year:
>
>1. Vancouver - very big team that is also very fast and highly skilled.
>               What more do you need ?  Kirk McLean will shine this year.
>
>2. Winnipeg - the surprise of the Smythe this year.  New comers Zhamnov
>              and Selanne will have good seasons with Steen and Olczyk.
>              Phil Housley will finish a close second to Leetch in the
>              Norris voting
>
>3. Calgary - New coach Dave King will make a big difference this year.
>             Gary Roberts will have another great season (with a little
>             help from Sergei) and Theoren Fleury will have a better season.  
>             Still a question is Joe Nieuwendyk's knee?
>
>4. Edmonton - Bernie Nichols will surprising good season.  Dave Manson will
>              continue to make the Smith trade look very good.  Hopefully 
>              they won't overuse Ranford, because he seemed to run out 
>              of gas in the playoffs last year
>

[The Manson-Smith trade was a good trade for both teams...Steve Smith is
an awfully underrated defensemen...Steve Smith is the perfect #2
defenseman.]

>5. Los Angeles (see above)
>
>6. San Jose - will give LA a run for their money.
>

I can't say I disagree with this...the Oilers won't get finished
introducing themselves to each other till January again...I think
it will turn on Winnipeg's defense, Vancouver's centers, and Calgary's
and Edmonton's coaching, and it will be fairly close with a hot streak
or a losing streak at an opportune or inopportune time making the
difference.

Gerald
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: JETS News: Two trades, three wins in a row
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:26:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.211124.10489@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.182010.19899@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>Is Zhamnov playing center?  and how happy or unhappy is he?
>>
>>Alexei has been centering a line with Selanne and Tkachuk on the wings.
>>As the team has been on the road since Tuesday, and he only joined them
>>Wednesday in Edmonton, I guess he's happy to be playing, though as far as
>>I know, he's still suing the team.
>
>Has the line got a name yet...? 

Not yet.  Paddock is not into 'set lines' as much as other coaches.  So it's
not a guarantee that they'll always play together.
>
>Being an Oiler fan...I have a bad feeling about this!   

You should.  As a Jets fan, these three guys remind me of the ol' WHA days,
with Hedberg, Nilsson and Hull.  (They haven't proven that they deserve that
high of praise, but they do have that potential.)
>
>Gerald
>

Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Ulanov up to Davydov, over to Zhamnov, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Eagleson has no comment
Keywords: canadian broadcast, legal investigations, legal
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:14:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.hamlet.717696882
Organization: University of Washington

This was on clari.canada.general this morning:


clarinews@clarinet.com ((Marchesan/TORSTAR/Standard Broadcast News)) writes:


>	
>	(TORONTO) Former NHL Player's Association boss Alan Eagleson woN'T
>comment on reports surrounding a U.S. federal grand jury's investigation
>into his business affairs. 
>	A Boston Herald report says the grand jury's focus is what happened
>to money raised during the Canada Cup hockey tournaments in 1981, 1984,
>1987 and 1991.
>	Eagleson's attorney refused to comment directly on the Herald story,
>but Eagleson himself said the entire ordeal has NOT been a pleasant one.
>	The flamboyant international hockey promoter says he's confident he
>will have an opportunity to defend himself against the charges.
>	In the past, Eagleson has refuted allegations that he received money
>from international hockey events. Last October he told ``The Hockey
>News'' most of his fortune came ``by fortuitous investments in real
>estate'' and NOT off the backs of the NHLPA, hockey players or
>international hockey.
>	It was exactly a year ago this week that a daily newspaper in
>Lawrence, Massachusetts ran a five-part investigative series on the
>business of hockey in the NHL including a stinging indictment of
>Eagleson and his work as Association boss.


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From: jpb@globule.cam.org (Zebigbos)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: manon trouble
Date: 25 Sep 92 21:46:27 GMT
Organization: Secte des Adorateurs des Semiconducteurs
X-Newsreader: MeNews 2.7.0

[ wizz@bnr.ca (Boris Volk) writes in article <1992Sep21.163102.7868@bmerh85.bnr.ca>: ]
:
: In an article I posted earlier, I listed her Jr A experience, all 11 minutes
:worth.

17 minutes, actually.

: The whole point is that playing Quebec Tier II hockey is nothing to be proud of.
:It certainly doesn't warrant a try-out for an NHL team. Just look at the Quebec
:media of her situation earlier in her carreer:
: - mild interest when she tried out for a Quebec Jr A team a year ago
: - coverage stopped after she didn't make the team
: - heavy coverage when she was called up.
: - very heavy coverage of the game she was possibly playing in
: - no coverage after they saw how she played.
: - no coverage even now when she is trying out for Tampa.

Are you totally deranged ??  She's a media darling around here.  All the sports
shows have had day-to-day reports on her progress with Tampa.  She's
considered more interesting to interview than established superstars.

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From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: It's on KBL (was Re: ESPN Schedule for Oct.-Dec.)
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:25:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct5.194838.6101@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>>2. At least in the Pittsburgh area, who would watch the E.S.P.N. version
>>over KBL - Mike Lange is a better play by play man.  Of course, people might
>>watch ESPN so they don't have to put up with Steigy!!!!!!!
>>    I understand what you're saying, though.
>
>Have you ever HEARD anyone else, or is the the de facto best since he
>is from Shittsburg?

You grow more quick-witted every year, John.

rick



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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: NHL News: 2 Referee system being tried out
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:54:11 GMT

In article 4609@porthos.cc.bellcore.com, romano@monolith.bellcore.com (Paul C. Romano) writes:
>	I for one am all for the two-referee system. [...] What does the rest of the
>net land think??

Why do you need a second referee?  There are already three officials on
the ice.  Rather than add a fourth, the league should either allow
linesmen to call penalties, or allow linesmen to tell the referee that
an infraction occurred, and let the referee decide whether to call a
penalty.

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Subject: Re: ESPN Schedule for Oct.-Dec.
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:57:23 MDT
 <POPOVICH.92Sep29233116@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> <1992Sep30.124251.7459@cs.rochester.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep30.124251.7459@cs.rochester.edu>, hoebel@cs.rochester.edu 
(Lou Hoebel) writes: 

> Well, this seems to favor my point that hockey viewing will not be
> much better with ESPN...cause hockey is still very regional. I don't
> think hockey will get many more viewers than last year...but I hope
> I'm wrong.
> 
> The other way to look at this is that the Patrick has the largest
> population/viewer base.
> The City, The Island, NJ and Philly must be 10% of the US population.
> Kinda like why Toronto is on HNIC all the time.

In truth, HNIC usually has more than one game. The Toronto game is usually on
in Ontario, and the Montreal game is almost always on in Quebec and the
Maritime provinces. If there is a game or games in the Western provinces, that
game may or may not be shown in that region. Plus, Radio-Canada (the French
CBC) has a Montreal game on just about every Saturday night. A bonus for those
of us who can speak French, or at least don't mind watching the game without
sound. Living in Calgary, I'd like to see the Flames as many times as I can,
but all too often I'm stuck watching the Leafs, whom I hate with a passion.
(No, it has nothing to do with the Gilmour trade). It's really appreciated
around my place when HNIC has a regional game on...

> cheers...and enjoy the season.

You bet I will! Counting hours 'til Tuesday! Go Flames!.....

							Alan
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From: S1.JON@isumvs.iastate.edu (Jon Wells)
Subject: Re: High Stick?  Please, spare me.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:14:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.234758.14877@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:

>After watching a full Sharks exhibition game, I can say I
>fully disapprove of this new high stick rule.  The game must
>have been stopped some 15 times with alleged high stick infractions.
>It seemed like the entire game had been transformed into
>a power play exhibition.
>
>This rule is ruining the game and watering down what should be
>considered real 2 minute penalties.
>And these refs are so determined to call it at every instant.
>It reminds me of the way the balk was in vogue in major league
>baseball a few years ago.
>
>
The referees are not to blame for being determined to call it at
every instance.  Brian Lewis (Director of Officiating for the NHL)
has instructed the referees that if they do not call it they will be
in more trouble than if they do call it.  In other words, they don't
have a choice, so don't blame the referees.

Jon Wells

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From: boudreau@athena.mit.edu (Carol V Boudreau)
Subject: Calgary Flames
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:25:56 GMT


-- 
Is there anyone out there (preferably from Calgary) who can give me, or post
information on the Calgary Flames Training Camp, specifically:

Who has been cut?
Who looks like they will make the team?
Which rookies look like up and comers?
Any team reaction to the new coach?
How Calgarians think the Flames will do this year?
Any other newsworthy training camp stories?

Thanks in advance.

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From: tourf00@DMI.USherb.CA (Francis Tourillon <Tourfman>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Manon Rheaume on David Letterman...
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:30:13 GMT
Organization: U de Sherbrooke -- LIIT adicts - ANS - Ascot Boyz -

In article <29SEP92.12871586.0024@VM.MPG.MCGILL.CA> CCSM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA (Suzanne Morzajew, MPG, McGill University) writes:
>I heard that Manon Rheaume will be a guest on the David Letterman
>show tonite (Tuesday September 29) -- can anyone confirm this?
>
>Thanks
>
>CCSM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA


	Yes, I've heard this too.  Right noe it's thursday [and Manon didn't
pass tuesday night.  Anyone had listened Wednesday?

Tourf"Say no oct 26"man

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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Best line this year?
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:04:03 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <DREIER.92Oct5233333@saddam.berkeley.edu> dreier@saddam.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>In article <BvnyH4.An7@acsu.buffalo.edu> rwinkel@acsu.buffalo.edu (Robert Winkel) writes:
>   In article <DREIER.92Oct5115506@beirut.berkeley.edu> dreier@beirut.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>
>   > Mogilny-Lafontaine-Hawerchuk [is one of the best lines around]
>
>   This line consists of Mogilny-Lafontaine-Andreychuk, not Hawerchuk.
>   Hawerchuk only plays with Lafontaine when the Sabres are on the powerplay
>   and he plays the point or at the end of close game and the Sabres are
>   trailing by a goal or two.
>
>   Robb
>
>Oops, my mistake.  I was thinking of Dave Andreychuk, the big guy who can
>barely skate but who can score from his knees facing away from the net
>with a defenceman holding his stick, not that sissy Hawerchuk, when I
>typed that.  My fingers just slipped.  Too many "chucks" on that team:
>Dale Hawerchuk, Dave Andreychuck, Clint Malarchuk, and Randy Wood-chuck..
>

Hey, soon you'll also hear Viktor Gordijuk (pronounced by various
media members as either gord-i-uk or gord-ih-chuk).

And hey, there's always Brad Rubachuk down in Rochester . . .

:-)

Really, they're out there.  Just waiting to trip up those announcers.


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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: rec.sport.hockey Frequently Asked Questions
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:42:55 GMT

hamlet@u.washington.edu writes:
>
> SportsChannel America lost in its bid to continue its television 
>relationship with the NHL. SportsChannel was denied a preliminary 
>injunction that would have let the network bid on the same TV deal
>the NHL struck with ESPN.

Latest update: SCA's appeal of the original ruling is being heard
today.  No word yet from WFAN.  Richard Sandomir of the Times has
quoted Gil Stein that SCA is trying to bust the ESPN deal and then
force the NHL to take a peanuts contract like last year.  No rumours
of any out-of-court settlements like giving games to SCA (but local
SC's are being given alternate game coverage for ESPN local black-
outs ... possibly a preemptive move on ESPN's part).

gld
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From: SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Wings sign Ogrodnick
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:55:44 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <BvGqMB.HKy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard) writes:

>
>SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>>The Detroit Red Wings signed John Ogrodnick to a 1-year contract worth a
>>reported $275,000.
>
>Do the Wings have room for Ogrodnick?  What about this rookie Dallas
>Drake?  Do you think Drake will make the team?
>
>

It looks like Ogrodnick will be a regular.  Murray may use him in a checking
role, but I wouldn't be suprised to see him on the Yzerman/Ciccarelli line.

Drake should make the team but probably not get much ice time.  I figure
he'll play part-time in Detroit and spend some of the season in Adirondack
to get more ice time.

-Scott

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS Training Camp Notes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:22:15 GMT

The Sharks trimmed five players from their roster yesterday, and their roster
now stands at 40.  Defensemen Rick Lessard and Dean Kolstad, center Troy
Frederick, and winger Jeff Massey were sent to the Sharks' top minor league
affiliate, the Kansas City Blades of the IHL.  Center Hubie McDonough,
acquired in a trade with the New York Islanders, was loaned to the San Diego
Gulls of the IHL.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Dean Evason for Selke!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Norris!
===============================================================================
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rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Graves/Tocchet speaks of revenge
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:10:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <22273@optima.cs.arizona.edu< gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
<
<COme on folks - let's face it - you simply can't find entertainment like
<this on TV these days - at least not since they took off Max Headroom..
<The classic Penguin-fan whining has begun and seems to be picking up
<speed at a rate the likes of which have never been seen...
<
< In one post, our favorite freshman writes:

.
.
.
.

< Now nobody loves toying with the humor-impaired any more than I do
<but when they are young and impressionable and easily marked for
<life I tend to shy away or else as we've seen they will begin to
<insist that spies are afoot and begin the phallic-related material...
<
<
<			gln


Aw, Gary.  I'm disappointed.  Here, I go and mail "our favorite freshman"
a letter telling him how you are going to chew him up and spit him out, and you
go and take it easy on him!

Geez, my opinion of you may be changing.  Yecch!  Perish the thought.

Dean
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: TB vs. Ottawa 9/27
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:25:21 GMT

TB  - 0 2 2 - 4
Ott - 1 1 1 - 3

1 - Ott Turgeon  (Lamb)             3:27 (pp)

2 - TB  Tucker   (Richer, Bradley)  9:38 (pp)
    Ott Labelle  (Hammond, Shaw)   11:00 (pp)
    TB  Crossman (Hartman)         16:49

3 - TB  Drulia   (Ramage)           6:42 (pp)
    TB  Simard   (Bradley, Tucker) 11:35 (pp)
    Ott Smail    (Turgeon)         14:48

Goalies: TB  Bergeon, 22 shots, 20 saves
             Littman, 0:00 3rd, 11 shots, 10 saves
         Ott Sidorkiewicz, 29 shots, 25 saves
Attendance: 10,224

-----

* Drulia Helps Lightning Strike Twice Against Senators, 4-3

Stan Drulia's tiebreaking goal at 6 minutes, 42 seconds of the final period
helped the Tampa Bay Lightning beat the Ottawa Senators, 4-3, in an exhibition
game Sunday Night.

It was Tampa Bay's second consecutive victory against Ottawa (1-4-1). The
Lightning (4-1-1) won, 3-2, at home Friday night.

Drulia scored his fifth goal of the preseason on a power play to give the
Lightning their first lead. Martin Simard sealed the victory with another
power-play goal at 11:35 before Doug Smail cut the margin to one goal with
5:12 left.

Ottawa's Sylvain Turgeon opened the scoring, sliding his own rebound past
goaltender J.C. Bergeron on a power play 3:27 into the first period.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: How does Lemieux's new salary affect Gretzky
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:14:11 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct6.005305.6146@news.columbia.edu>, dth2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David T Ho) writes:
> I remember reading in Gretzky's autobiography that Bruce McNall had
> promised Gretzky that no hockey player would ever be paid more than
> he.  Do you people think that McNall will keep his promise and pay
> Gretzky $6,000,001 per year?

I think he will. After all, a fool and his money are soon parted. The only 
question then is which of Bruce McNall or Howard Baldwin is a bigger fool.

I think Craig Patrick just took over from Ron Caron as the resident jerk in the
eyes of NHL GM's. This is the contract by which all future contracts will be
judged. How long before Hull, Lindros, Yzerman, Lafontain, etc. want more
money? Can you spell LOCKOUT?

							Alan
From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Devils/Flyers info wanted
Date: 28 Sep 1992 15:05:21 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

Could someone please post/email the current rosters of these two teams?
Thanks

Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
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