From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Godfree's World
Keywords: stupidity, anger, annoyed
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:42:00 GMT
Organization: Common Container Liberation Front

In article <92285.210544U25256@uicvm.uic.edu> U25256@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>> In article <92284.134854U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U25256@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>> Yes, I agree with you, man. Professor Schit's posting is getting kind
>>> of boring. So..., why don't you post it up? I would love to read your
>>> phd feces or fetus.
>>
>> Who is this anonymous and nasty-sounding person signing on
>> from Chicago? Do some systems allow anonymous postings? Why,
>> except for shame, would someone omit signing his or her
>> name?
>>
	The postings are not completely anonymous.  His user ID is
available, and if he continues to post these nasty and pointless personal
attacks I may make some effort to get his network access restricted or
removed.  I have sent him email to this effect several days ago, but
yet he persists.  I have no real desire to do this, but I have no
real desire to put up with the sort of articles he posts either.  I am
no great fan of Laurence Godfrey, but his posts are not at quite the same
low level as these.

>> (BTW, Khun Schitt's postings weren't intersting to me, but I
>> see no need publicly to say so at the cost of hurting
>> people's feelings gratuitously! And obviously they will
>> interest *some* readers, however few.)
>>
>>                                 Seamus Cooney

And obviously they pertain to Thailand.  I feel Laurence Godfrey was out
of line to post that and I think the response in this newsgroup bears that
out.  I think that even he might be willing to admit that at this point.
However, the worst thing he said about Khun Schitt was "boring".  You
have certainly been ruder than he, and at least as often.

> My first name is 'Anal' and my last name is 'Nymous'. And I am
> nasty, I must admit. Especially to the loud mouths. Why don't
> you check on other news group?  and see who's a bigger jerk.

Well, I have been in a lot of newsgroups, and to be honest, you are one
of the biggest jerks I have run across.  Anyone who has been reading this
newsgroup for a year or more knows I make every attempt to be polite, and
that I have only kind thoughts about Thailand.  I admit I have never been
there, but the people I have "met", both in person and by network communi-
cations have been fine people.  Unfortunately, you are the first person
from Thailand that I have seen post on this newsgroup that I am predisposed
to dislike.  The fact is, I think your posts are much worse than those of
Laurence Godfrey because they are public personal attacks on a person who has
done no more than express his opinions, however annoying them may be.  In
addition, they are crude and vulgar and totally lacking in any redeeming
qualities whatsoever.

> I don't like to see a person talk about Thailand(especially in other NG)
> ,when he is not perfect himself. You probably perceive as a biggest
> Anal, but if you know me, I'm a real nice guy.

If you are such a nice guy, why do you act like this?  If you don't like to
see someone talk about Thailand, you could simply say so and point out flaws
in his arguments.  Are you saying Thailand is perfect?  I will be the first
to admit that the USA is not perfect, and there have been many posts in this
newsgroup about racism experienced in the USA.  I admit that there are racists
in the USA but I submit as an argument that there are racists in every nation,
and that the ones in the USA are not even the worst.  As evidence I could
point to actions of several other superpowers, such as Japan, Germany, France,
etc.  Are you incapable of presenting a reasonable argument?  Is that why you
resort to name calling and other childish and pointless methods?  I am not
perfect either, but this post is as close as I am going to come to your
obscene methods of saying you object to someone else's articles.

As to Laurence Godfrey's posts in other newsgroups, feel free to mail the
most abusive ones you see to me, or at least to mail the names of the news-
groups he posts these "malicious" articles to.  That way, when I am finally
so fed up with your attacks and diatribes, and send email to your system
administrator requesting he restrict your net access, I can do the same for
Laurence Godfrey, if I feel his posts are at the same low level as yours.
Unfortunately for you, I think he is smarter than you in at least one area.
I bet he has not posted anything so objectionable that his system admini-
strator would be willing to cut off his net access.

> And if you still think I am an asshole, I thank and respect your opinion.

Since you are the one who uses such language in public, I will say that I
think you are, and that I don't so much want your thanks and respect for
my opinion so much as I want your respect and regard for the other readers
of this group, and for the image you project for your country, Thailand.  I
can only guess the shame other readers feel when they read your angry and
obscene efforts to defend your home.  If this is the best you are capable
of, it would be better if you did nothing and left the defense to those
with more ability than you, which would be every other Thai who has posted
to this group, with the possible exception of one or two other posters from
your University.

> And Professor Schitt's posting is great and don't mess around with
> it. Or don't mess around with others if you're not so perfect yourself.
>
Or what?  Is this some kind of threat?  I have nothing but high regard for
Khun Schitt, but I resent these kinds of posts.  Do you have some hidden
power over others, or are you just threatening more obnoxious posts to
this group?  This just sounds like some sort of childish threat to me.
I am not perfect, not even close, but I don't feel there is any reason
I should not mess with you if I feel you are completely and unjustifiably
wrong.  If it were not for the fact that I am almost certain you will
make another post that will make it easier for me to have you removed
from the network for a while, I would put you in my kill file which is
what you should do with articles from Laurence Godfrey if you feel you
are not capable of dealing with them intelligently.

>                            'Anal' from Chicago

One final note.  You must be really proud of these posts since you are
so willing to put your "real" name on them.  I have by chance written to
someone who knows you, and you have embarrassed this person.

John Cronin

PS - if there is anyone else who would like to complain about these
posts, I am not sure how to send mail to the system administator on
an IBM VM system, but mail to "postmaster@uicvm.uic.edu" should get to
somebody important enough to forward any comments or complaints.