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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Highlander???
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:06:36 GMT


I was skimming through my new TV Guide this weekend and believe I actually
stumbled upon this Highlander series everyone is talking about. I don't
have my guide with me so I can't be sure when it is on in the Ottawa area,
or even if I get the station but I know it is on the weekend sometime. I
think Saturday around 2:00 or 2:30.

Anyways, I saw the first movie and thought the premise was okay. Only the
strong survive and stuff. Could someone fill me in on the actual history
of the series. How long it been on, what it is the general plot, how does
it relate (chronologically) to both or either of the movies, and are they
using the same characters?

I'm thinking of watching the show this weekend but I'd really like someone
to bring me up to speed as to what's going on. If this has been questioned
to death here, then please email me the infomation. I didn't really pay
attention to the Highlander postings before because I didn't think Ottawa
got it. (And I'm still not sure if I do!)

Alan Bick
From: larne@canetoad.UUCP (Larne Pekowsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re:  DUFE and Daughter of Sin
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:52:52 EDT
Organization: The Satellite of Love

In article <1992Nov18.055356.16119@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
>	Boy, women are really taking a beating in QL with these two
>episodes.  We are pictured as evil, shrew-like witches.

It seems to me this only a side-effect of the way QL is set up.  There
are basically three catagories that incidental characters can fall into:
people Sam is there to help, people Sam has to struggle against in order
to fulfil his mission, and people who help Sam along the way.

While there are ways around it, the most obvious thing to do is make the
people in catagory 1 weak and helpless and those in catagory 2 evil.  That
leaves 3, but the rules of television demand that Sam does all the really
hard work, so he can't have too much help from the incidental characters.

While this is true of all the incidentals, it's far more noticible with
women because it takes more careful writing to avoid the cliches of 'weak
and good or strong and evil.'

And on the other hand, I can't remember a woman character as completely
hateable as the male child molestors in "Another Mother" or the gay-bashers
in "Running for Honor" or... well, you get the idea.

--
...uunet!canetoad!larne                          canetoad!larne@uunet.uu.net
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "Concept Theft:" B5 v DS9 and Roddenberry (Re: BABYLON 5 vs ST:DSN)
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Nov18.142644.1613@hubcap.clemson.edu>, rwillis@hubcap.clemson.edu (Richard "Crash" Willis) writes...

>I don't know if this has been said or not, but, according to an article I
>read in either StarLog or a info file, B-5 was filming and ready to go
>before DS9 started. The only reason it is being shown after the premiere
>of DS9 is because they want it to be concurrent with the other shows
>that are on the new warner brother network.            

     This is not quite true.  BABYLON 5 spent far longer in
     development - reportedly 5 years - than DS9, but both
     began shooting at approximately the same time.
     And while BABYLON 5 stopped shooting when the two hour
     telefilm was in the can, DS9 continued.  DS9 has a 
     13 episod first season commitment, and undoubtedly a
     26 episode second season waiting in the wings, from
     Paramount.
     At the present time, BABYLON 5 is a two hour telefilm.
     The Warners Consortium have not given Stczarynski et al,
     the go-ahead for a first season of any kind, and have
     hinted that such a go ahead - or any other decision
     regarding BABYLON 5 as a series - will not be made until
     after their Off-Network Prime Time has been launched and
     the B5 pilot has had a chance to perform ratings-wise.

     DS9 will likely be in its second season before BABYLON 5
     airs its first regular episode - Incidentally, however,
     what gets to the air first, what _shoots_ first, doesn't
     indicate any theft of any kind on either's part.

>	I know this doesn't mean that ideas couldn't have been stolen, but
>I wonder if this would be a question if B5 had come out first, or if
>people would be questioning DS9 instead.

     I think you're a little confused.  People _are_ questionning
     DS9.  Most people are assuming DS9 stole part of its concepts
     from BABYLON 5.  I don't think anyon is claiming the reverse.

>	Also, according to the same articles, B5 already has a 5-8 year
>storyline already set up, indicating that a lot of creative work
>has gone into it as an orginal idea, and that the tone of B-5 is entirely
>diffrent that Star Trek, taking on a much darker and 'realistic' view
>of the future than Star Trek. I've heard that the unofficial motto

     There is a difference between having a cursory treatment for
     five seasons worth of material - all going in the same story
     telling direction - and having scripts written for every episode
     through the fifth year.  Stczarinski is talking about the
     former, be assured; not the latter.  
     Yes, B5 has promised to bring HILL STREET/LA LAW style complexity
     to televised SF finally... but then, we've heard similar claims
     in the past.  I have high hopes for the thing...  but remember,
     it could suck.

     -Scott Gorcey
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL:  Trilogy Part 1
Date: 18 Nov 1992 02:45:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


AAAUUUGGGHHH!  I missed the first 15 minutes or so of this ep.  Could 
someone please, please, please, please, please, please e-mail me a summary
of what happened.  I got to the TV just as Violet's mom (can't remember the
name) was attacking Abigail in the police station.  Needless to say, I was
a little clueless as to what was going on.  From the little teaser on the 
end of the EL ep, I know Sam leaps in and finds a dead man in a swamp or
something.  Please help!  (No, I'm not to proud to beg for QL  :-)).
Desparately,
Linda
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
					--Proverbs 3:5
"Aw, Mom, you act like I'm not even wearing a bungie cord!"--Calvin
"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"--"Arabian Nights" from --Aladdin--
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: day of the triffids?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:28:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.721942100
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Nov16.120259.14550@cs.ruu.nl> bammerla@cs.ruu.nl (Boris Ammerlaan) writes:
>In <rawdon.721799109@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>I thought the 3-part series was stellar; very well adapted, extremely

>It was a six-part series, and the episodes were all about 30 minutes.

In that case, it was altered to run as three hour-long episodes for the US
market.  (Worked quite nicely that way, too.)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"...I trusted [Ganelon] like a brother.  That is to say, not at all."
				- Roger Zelazny, _The_Guns_Of_Avalon_
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: Meg Foster
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:43:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I got from the discussion around here that Meg Foster played Laura,
Abigail's mother.  Who is Meg Foster, though?  Where have I seen her
before (I know I've seen those eyes somewhere before)?  What seems
to be so special about her?

Any help is appreciated...


-- 
* Tracy E. Finifter                       *                                  *
*  finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu           *    "Sanity is overrated."        *
*  Douglass College, Rutgers University   *                                  *
*  New Brunswick, New Jersey              *               -- Kimberly Weston *
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: mid-80's tv series
Date: 22 Nov 1992 00:16:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I remember this show, and yes, like others have already said, it was
called "Otherworld."  I remember the episode already mentioned where
the kids become big rock stars, and I also remember this one episode
where the mom gets involved in this "Beauty and the Beast" type plot.
I don't remember exactly what happened, but it was something that 
reminded me about the fairy tale--the original telling, not the Disney
movie or the TV show.  It was a pretty entertaining show at times, but
I had a feeling it wouldn't last.  Oh well.
Linda
-- 
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
					--Proverbs 3:5
"Aw, Mom, you act like I'm not even wearing a bungie cord!"--Calvin
"It's barbaric, but hey, it's home"--"Arabian Nights" from --Aladdin--
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: DoS (spoilers and speculation)
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:13:29 GMT
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  This has spoilers and speculation for the 11/17/92 episode of Quantum Leap.
Bail out or suffer the consequences:





















  Okay.  First off, I loved the show!  It grabbed me and pulled me in really
fast.  There was a strong undercurrent of menace, of lurking danger the whole
time, not to mention the mystery aspect.  Good work.

  Now, about 20+ minutes in, was anybody else thinking "It's the _Bad Seed_"?
I was, and I was thinking, man if I just figured out this 3-hour deal in the
first 20 minutes, I and a lot of other folks are gonna be real dissappointed.

  But then other clues begin to surface, the bad seed idea takes a few licks
from Abigail's and Leda's behavior.  Now I'm thinking (45 minutes in), maybe
the kid that stutters (forgot his name) could have done the dirty deeds.

  But if that't true, why didn't Abigail see him around when Leda's husband
died/was killed?  He hid behind a tree, wacked the old guy, and then hid again
before Abigail could turn around?  Maybe Abigail *did* hit the husband, but in
self-defense like she used the flower pot thing on Leda?  Then she *did* lie,
because she was scared.

  Maybe the boy killed Violet, and Abigail (self-defense) killed the husband!
Thoroughly confusing the issue of *what's going on*.  Or maybe the crazy mother
did it.  Yeesh, this thing has more possible plot angles than a dodecahedron.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: pete@plutonium.CChem.Berkeley.EDU (Pete Goodeve)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: day of the triffid?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:04:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: plutonium.cchem.berkeley.edu

Several people have commented on this query:
>In <92318.170636IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>
>>In one of my late night PBS viewing binges I caught the middle
>>of "Day of the Triffid's" - Does anyone know if it has ever come
>>out on video? - From what I remember, the film (undoubtedly BBC)
>>seemed to end in an incomplete manner. Does my memory do me wrong?
>

... but nobody seems to have pointed out that there are (at least) *two*
screen versions of `Day of the Triffids', one film, one TV.  Both have been
seen at one time or another on PBS (at least on our local station).

The first was a bloody awful one -- made in the early '60s, I'd guess --
starring Howard Keel.  The ending in *that* travesty was that Earth was saved
because it turned out you could kill triffids by spraying them with salt
water...  [...and years before AlienNation, at that! (:-)]  This was the
film that showed up on public station KQED here recently.

The other was the fairly faithful BBC TV version that the other people
have mentioned.  I only saw it the once, when it first came out, and don't
remember that much, except, yes, it was damn good.

(BTW, I heard a rumour last week that yet another version is in the works.
Anyone know more?)

					-- Pete --
From: msr@kepler.unh.edu (Reno no BAKA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: outer limits episode
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:51:41 GMT
Organization: None what-so-ever
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <18NOV92.11212862@jevex.waisman.wisc.edu> karcher@jevex.waisman.wisc.edu writes:
>In a previous article, "timothy moeller" <timothy.moeller@channel1.com> wrote:
>
>>  The episode of _Outer Limits_ I remember starts out in a laboratory
>>  with a glass dome containing a miniature sample of some alien
>>  planet, complete with trees; the sample is being kept alive by an
>>  artificial environment, including artificial lighting cycling at an
>>  accelerated rate to simulate the planet's home sun.
>> 
>>That's all I saw of that episode. Does anyone remember anything more?
>
>It's called "Wolf 359" and first aired 11/7/64 (according to the OL guide posted
>here a while back). I've seen it available for rental in several video stores.
>My favorite OL episode is "Demon With a Glass Hand" with Robert Culp as Trent.
>
Yah, Demon With a Glass Hand is one of my favorites too. That and Nightmare
and The Man Who Never Was Born and.... well, I like them all. Now to the point
of the post... Does anyone know when the next Outer Limits Marathon (on TNT) 
will be. I'm at school and I don't get cable in my room :( I just need to know
which weekend I should go home!
Hey.. Any episode of OL with Robert Culp is a classic!
--Matt
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: QL: USA 11/18
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:04:19 GMT

I am just now catching last season on USA, and the leapin tuesday was
for the KKK episode (Sorry, I don't know the names for this season)
and they showed "Permanent Wave" instead.  Can someone re-post the
USA schedule so I can figure out what's going on?

thanx

LJC
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "Concept Theft:" B5 v DS9 and Roddenberry (Re: BABYLON 5 vs ST:DSN)
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:09:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.722110182
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Nov18.142644.1613@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwillis@hubcap.clemson.edu (Richard "Crash" Willis) writes:
>	But, besides the above, don't you think we should wait and SEE it 
>first, BEFORE we past judgement on it? Remember everyones reaction to
>the idea of Star Trek:TNG trying to take the place of Star Trek?

Good point.  When TNG was announced, I thought it was a great idea, and it
sounded really neat and looked forward to it avidly.  Boy, was I off-base
*there*!

At the moment, I'm looking forward to Babylon 5, and not really looking forward
to ST:DS9.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"...I trusted [Ganelon] like a brother.  That is to say, not at all."
				- Roger Zelazny, _The_Guns_Of_Avalon_
From: willdm+@pitt.edu (William D Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL:  The Leap Back?
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:52:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: willdm@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

Could someone either verify or correct my observation concerning the 
syndicated running of Quantum Leap on USA.  If I remember correctly,
they aired the episode "Shock Theater" on Friday, Nov. 13th.  Naturally
the next episode to be shown would have been "The Leap Back".  But when
I turned on the TV at 7:00 pm on Monday, Nov. 16th to watch it, they were
instead showing the episode "Play Ball".  What the hell?

I know that the last couple of weekends they haven't been showing QL on 
Saturdays like they did at the beginning of the run, and I think I recall
that I checked what was on Saturday to be sure I didn't miss it.  I'm a 
pretty steadfast fan of the show but don't have time to watch it as often
as I would like, but I wanted to make sure that I caught this one particular
episode again.  I was even going to tape it as I watched, but then they pull
this crap on me.

Did the episode air on Saturday and I just missed it, or has USA a reason for
not showing the episode?  It's been a while since I first saw it.  Was it a
two hour show?

Thanks for any forthcoming info.

Will@Pitt
.
From: sandman@sx.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: highlander - humph
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:07:02 GMT
Reply-To: sandman%sx.ac.uk@essex.ac.uk (sandman)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

[whole text not including cos it's long]

Although we don't get the series here (mabee in a few years time hmpf), I am
a highlander (movie) fan, and read these threads.

It seems from what has been said that Duncan (although we know he won't live
since it's Connor who wins the prize) is doomed through his own attitude. It
seems inevitable that one of the more prize centered immortals is going to
top him off at the end of the series, and that unless he goes through some 
process whereby he looses his immortality (quit a possible ending I think)
and lives life as a `normal' person.

Alternatly nice Mr. kurgan could come up to him at the end of the series and
say hi.

just my 1 and a half cent worth.



 - The Sandman
From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: highlander songs
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:22:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: oima2.ternent.4
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois

In article <1992Nov14.164513.1841@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_ofearnask@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>Does anyone out there have any idea what the name of the Queen song that
>introduces the show is named.  I have been able to find "Who wants to live
>forever," but i don't even know what the name of the song at the beginning is. 
>Also, does anyone know where I can find the song "Don't lose your head"?  or
>who did it?

>Thanks

>Susan

"A Kind of Magic," as mentioned in a prior post. What I found most 
surprising is that there is only a small line in about the third fold of the 
tape's insert that says something like "Some songs in altered form appear in 
the movie 'Highlander'." It's almost like Queen didn't want anything to have 
to do with the movie! If they did, wouldn't it make more sense to release it 
as a soundtrack (except for the first song: Iron Eagle).

John
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From: walagerw@cs.vu.nl (Lagerweij WA)
Subject: Re: highlander songs and OMP soundtrack
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:09:38 GMT

:      I always wondered where I could find Queen's HAMMER TO FALL (psycho with
: machine gun scene splatters Kurgen, Kurgen assaults him and scares gramma).
: (other that the Queen songs.)

On the album 'The Works' (Queen, ofcourse)

:     And does "Don't Lose Your Head" exist in original form.. with an
: instrumental (no lyrics) and Freddy Mercury crooning "Neeeeeeeeeew York,
: Neeeeeeeeeew York... da-da----da-dada...da-da----da-dada" at the
: end? That is the BEST SONG and doesn't EVEN APPEAR on Some Kind of magic
: (stupid Don't Lose your head lyrics replaced EVERYTHING).

A non Lyrics version does exist, but no New York, New York. It's called:
'A doesn't Red Roses for my Darling' and was a b-side for A Kind Of Magic.
If you want the New York bit, try recording it from a HIFI VCR to audiotape.

Wouter.
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From: jeffs@almaden.ibm.com (Jeff Schneiter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Highlander FAQL? and other topics
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:46:13 GMT
Reply-To: jeffs@almaden.ibm.com (Jeff Schneiter)
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center

In article <1992Nov20.101517.4114@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>Is there a Highlander FAQ?  If not, I'd be glad to compile one, if
>people send me their questions *and* answers and I can get someone
>else to administer it for me.
>
>   [example deleted]
>
>-Drizzt


What do you think of keeping track of all of Duncan's wounds/deaths just
for morbid curiosity?

And maybe all of the other immortal's names, est age, episode of death...?

Guest appearances (Joan Jett, BeastMaster (Marc Singer))...

Flashback periods for Duncan...

Anyone else add to this?

Other topics: (spoiler, mild)

Wasn't Mountain Men the first time Tessa saw the quickening?
She knew about the last one alive to get ALL the power of the ones
before, but did she know about how he gains power after EACH killing?
What would have happened if she had managed to get to him before the
quickening came upon him? Would she fry?

I feel that that the show takes place before the first movie, as it
appears so do most that post here. Anyone disagree?

I am glad that Richie has had so few parts lately, his character
is too weak for someone that was supposed to grow up in the streets -
he seems to whine a lot and not have much in the way of street smarts.
What a thought I just had...he's another Wesley!!

Anyone notice that they change the intro as they create more episodes?
I noticed that he was wearing a russian hat in the intro to Mountain Men.
Were there any others?

In general I am very happy with the show so far. I have really enjoyed
those guest appearances too.
A future guest (I wish): Lita Ford as a good immortal, gets killed by
Joan Jett, Joan gets killed by Duncan.

A recommendation for reading would be Poul Anderson's "Boat of a Million
Years". It follows immortals as try to find others like them (no, not to
kill them) and how they spend all that free time they have. Some might
find the reading a little slow, but it has aged well in my mind as I think
back upon it. 

Enough for now.

Jeff 
jeffs@almaden.ibm.com
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