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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: shriekback
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:50:39 GMT
Organization: Charnel House

mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:
: anyone know the lyrics to "nemesis" by shriekback...?  yeah, that 1985 club
: classic where the chorus went:
: 
: priests and cannibals
: prehistoric animals
: everybody happy as the dead come home
: 
: big black nemesis
: parthenogenesis
: no one move a muscle as the dead come home

As I recall, the lyrics are in the liner notes to both the LP and the
CD, so I don't see the problem, though they are in a bizarre sort
of phonetic alphabet.  You can decipher them with a little work though.

  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
   ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!dante!mason   or   dante!mason@hop.toad.com
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:51:07 GMT
Organization: Charnel House

moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us writes:
: Join the night...Be one of us...Embrace the darkness..
: 
: I would appreciate feedback on a proposed newsgroup:Alt.Vampyres..
: This would be a place for discussion of organizations,film,literature,et 
: cetera,devoted to the timeless world of the Vampyre..It could also be a 
: place where writers of amatuer Vampyre poetry and prose could share their 
: work with others..I believe that this vast subject,which is an archetype 
: of the human collective unconscious deserves a place of it's own..Let us 
: know what you think..

Sounds good to me.


  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
   ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!dante!mason   or   dante!mason@hop.toad.com
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: mcsdc1rem@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: RE: ALT.VAMPYRES
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:21:59 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


OKEY DOKEY

ALL US VAMPYE TYPE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED

ALTHOUGH I PERSONALLY WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS FOR MUCH LONGER

BUT I WILL ALWAYS FIND SOMEONE WHO DOES!!

IF NOT I CAN BE CONTACTED VIA SNAIL MAIL AT THE ADDRESS BELOW

ALWAYS INTERESTED IN WRITING (SOMETHING TO PASS THE DAY AWAY WITH!!)


HUNTER

+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
| BoB "HUNTER" McANDREW|  "DELVING DEEP :-  DOOM AND FATE ARE THE SAME THING " |
| Student,             |      "YELLOW BOUNCY BANANA'S RULE THE WORLD!!"        |
| Dundee Tech.         +-------------------------------------------------------+
| Scotland.            |  Janet : MCSDC1REM@UK.AC.DCT.CC.VAXB                  |
|                      |  SNAIL : 190 LOCHEE ROAD, GROUND FLOOR RIGHT,DUNDEE   |
|		       |	  SCOTLAND.  DD2 2NF.                          | 
+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
From: mcsdc1rem@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: RE:CINDY:ALT.VAMPYRES
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:44:59 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

YO CINDY

SORRY ONLY WAY TO ANSWER MAIL!!
REASON CAUSE NOT GOT JANET ACCESS(WE STUDENTS ACROSS HERE
ARE REALLY LIMITED IN COMP PRIVS!!)
REASON LOSING PRIVS IS CAUSE GETTING CHUCKED OUT OF COLLEGE!!
SO WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A COMP
THOUGH WILL TRY AND USE OTHER PEOPLES DIRECTORY'S!!
SO CAN KEEP UP TO DATE WITH THIS SORT OF THING
ALSO WHAT'S THIS SLEEPING LARK??
WHO NEEDS TO SLEEP??
MID OF MEDITATING EVERY OTHER DAY DOES ME!!!!!![I SHOULD BE SO LUCKY!! :-)]
HOWEVER SUCH IS LIFE ON THIS (FAIRLY) MORTAL PLANE OF EXISTENSE!!

HUNTER-- 

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| BoB "HUNTER" McANDREW|  "DELVING DEEP :-  DOOM AND FATE ARE THE SAME THING " |
| Student,             |      "YELLOW BOUNCY BANANA'S RULE THE WORLD!!"        |
| Dundee Tech.         +-------------------------------------------------------+
| Scotland.            |  Janet : MCSDC1REM@UK.AC.DCT.CC.VAXB                  |
|                      |  SNAIL : 190 LOCHEE ROAD, GROUND FLOOR RIGHT,DUNDEE   |
|		       |	  SCOTLAND.  DD2 2NF.                          | 
+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: shriekback
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:33:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.165039.13136@dante.uucp> mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
>
>As I recall, the lyrics are in the liner notes to both the LP and the
>CD, so I don't see the problem, though they are in a bizarre sort
>of phonetic alphabet.  You can decipher them with a little work though.

				i bought that album before CDs . they're
not on the tape .

-- 
       @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
       @       "Imagination keeps the shadows away  -  Xymox       @
       @~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@
       @ a.stranger - CMS2839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu - PGP key on req. @
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Preacherman
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:59:22 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Anyone have the lyrics to Preacherman by Fields of the Nephilim?  It's my 
favorite from Dawnrazor, and cs.uwp.edu is missing it in the lyric file for
Dawnrazor.  Listening to it, I can't make out most of it.  Could someone either
post them or mail them to me?  Thanks.

Nhan
From: mcsdc1rem@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: GOTH TYPE PENPAL TYPE THINGS!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:24:45 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


ANY UK(OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!) GOTHS / GOTHETTES OUT THERE WANT TO WRITE TO A 
COMPLETE LONNY/GOTH/VAMPYRE/LOTS OF OTHER THINGS???
IF SO WRITE VIA PEN AND PAPER TO THE ADDRESS BELOW....

GOT TO HAVE SOME WAY OF CONTACTING PEOPLE AS I LOSE COMP PRIVS NEXT WEEK!!

HUNTER  (A FALLEN ONE)
+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
| BoB "HUNTER" McANDREW|  "DELVING DEEP :-  DOOM AND FATE ARE THE SAME THING " |
| Student,             |      "YELLOW BOUNCY BANANA'S RULE THE WORLD!!"        |
| Dundee Tech.         +-------------------------------------------------------+
| Scotland.            |  Janet : MCSDC1REM@UK.AC.DCT.CC.VAXB                  |
|                      |  SNAIL : 190 LOCHEE ROAD, GROUND FLOOR RIGHT,DUNDEE   |
|		       |	  SCOTLAND.  DD2 2NF.                          | 
+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Alt.Vampyres is ...
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 04:56:35 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Alt.Vampyres has been started in the Cyberden BBS in San Francisco, so if 
you are calling the Cyberden in the Bay Area you will be able to access 
it..It should be available in other areas as well,so check your local BBS 
to see if they have picked it up yet..There isn't much in there, so post 
to your hearts content..I will be posting regularly as much current 
information on this subject as I can, as well as poetry, short fiction, 
etc..See you in Alt.Vampyres.Incidentally, out of thirty one responses, 
only one was negative, and they were all received in the space of one 
week..That seemed like alot of response!
In our dreams of darkness we are one....

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: mcsdc1rem@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: RE:CCSW:Goth type penpals !! ..
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:58:33 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology



what address?

if mine c below :)

if not    who cares??  :)


mind you this is last day for my comp privs!!  :-(

so snail mail only now folks!!

so long  and  L.L.A.P.  people ....


Hunter
 -- 

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| BoB "HUNTER" McANDREW|  "DELVING DEEP :-  DOOM AND FATE ARE THE SAME THING " |
| Student,             |      "YELLOW BOUNCY BANANA'S RULE THE WORLD!!"        |
| Dundee Tech.         +-------------------------------------------------------+
| Scotland.            |  Janet : MCSDC1REM@UK.AC.DCT.CC.VAXB                  |
|                      |  SNAIL : 190 LOCHEE ROAD, GROUND FLOOR RIGHT,DUNDEE   |
|		       |	  SCOTLAND.  DD2 2NF.                          | 
+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:32:25 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <i1q6PB4w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>Join the night...Be one of us...Embrace the darkness..
>
>I would appreciate feedback on a proposed newsgroup:Alt.Vampyres..
>This would be a place for discussion of organizations,film,literature,et 
>cetera,devoted to the timeless world of the Vampyre..It could also be a 
>place where writers of amatuer Vampyre poetry and prose could share their 
>work with others..I believe that this vast subject,which is an archetype 
>of the human collective unconscious deserves a place of it's own..Let us 
>know what you think..
>
>Join us....
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>   |       /         |\
>   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us ]

Most of the Vampires I know don't have I-Net access.... but I could print out
the articles for 'em... I'm sure they'd like it.

-Christian
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Poem I wrote
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 00:40:19 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????) writes:

> Dunno why I'm posting this...  I wrote this at 5 in the morning the other day
> Thought I'd share it with you.
> 
> I Dream of Vampires
> -------------------
> The dark engulfs my silent world,
> And night becomes my home,
> I stare into the black I love,
> And endlessly I roam.
> With each new turn I drift away...
> I'm lost and can't return.
> Yet oddly, I don't really mind.
> There's much for me to learn.
> But somehow there is something wrong,
> It's not enough for me.
> I'm not allowed to have my peace
> Until I wake to see
> The one thing that will make my life
> Much better than before.
> Although I don't know what it is,
> I want it even more.
> I search the darkness aimlessly 
> And know not what I seek.
> My effort seems to be in vain,
> But then appears Monique.
> Through the mist as if a dream
> She forms within my sight.
> With glowing eyes and arms outstretched,
> She pushes back the night.
> No words escape her blood red lips,
> And yet she calls to me.
> She traps me with seductive stare -
> I feel no need to flee.
> My flesh and soul belong to her.
> I can't deny her now.
> I find myself in front of her
> Bent deeply in a bow.
> With one hand underneath my chin,
> She lifts my face to hers.
> Like a hungry but contented cat,
> She sighs, and then she purrs.
> Slowly her red lips start to part,
> Revealing fangs of death.
> With no protest at all from me
> She sucks out my last breath.
>     For I Am Hers
> 
>                   - Nhan
> 

               

               Monique has entered into the hearts and minds of all the 
spirits of the night...she breaths a kiss of wonder,sadness,and 
delight......

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us ]
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Don Smith)
Subject: Re: Shadow Project
Originator: djs6015@ultb
Organization: R.I.T.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:58:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.215341.17808@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kgleason@nyx.cs.du.edu (kris gleason) writes:
}Ok...  I heard a bit of a song performed by this group, ando would like
}to know a little about them... So hows about a little thread on this 
}project.

I am almost positive that Shadow Project is Roz Williams, formerly
of Christian Death. I only have one Shodow Project release (maybe
they only released one?), so I recommend you check out some early
Christian Death.


-- 
   | Don Smith                  | Woman mirrors the universe, and within |
   |djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu    |her temple she contains all the ritual  |
   |DJS6015@ritvax.isc.rit.edu  |sacraments needed to unleash the vortex |
   |DJS6015@ritvax.BITNET       |ov the subconscious.  John ZeWizz       |
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:03:39 GMT

In article <Ty3DqB4w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM) writes:
>
>> Discussing it here is all very nice, but you won't get it created until
>> you start posting to alt.config.  Thats where alt groups get created.
>>
>> Start up a discussion on alt.config, let it run for a bit, and
>> someone will newgroup it.
>>
>> --
>> *********************************************************
>> Laura Lemay                           lemay@sun.com
>> Bitchy vampiric technogoth                       Go away.
>> *********************************************************
>
>
>Laura Laura Laura, (Said with a back and forth swaying finger ala
>                    the creature on the wing in Twilight Zone, The Movie)
>
>It's been done and I am sending out the control message sometime this
>week. I hope to see you all there. Thanks to Jwlhyfer for proposing this group.
><X>orcist

You're not getting what Laura's trying to tell you:
You need to discuss it in alt.config, or most news admins won't
newgroup it, thereby making it a group with little or no propagation.
Most news admins won't newgroup an alt group unless there's been some
discussion about it in alt.config and it looks like there's at least
some people in favor of the group.

So, someone please write up what you think alt.vampyres should
be for, and post it to alt.config.  Then we can all post "yea, do it!"
and it will be done.


Otherwise, maybe your site and mine will create the group.  Not
much of a discussion potential, eh?
 


--
eric murray                                                ericm@microunity.com
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:31:37 GMT

In article <i1q6PB4w165w@cyberden.uucp>, moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us writes:
|> Join the night...Be one of us...Embrace the darkness..
|> 
|> I would appreciate feedback on a proposed newsgroup:Alt.Vampyres..
|> This would be a place for discussion of organizations,film,literature,et 
|> cetera,devoted to the timeless world of the Vampyre..It could also be a 
|> place where writers of amatuer Vampyre poetry and prose could share their 
|> work with others..I believe that this vast subject,which is an archetype 
|> of the human collective unconscious deserves a place of it's own..Let us 
|> know what you think..
|> 
|> Join us....

You make it, I'll subscribe...  though I'm not a vampyre.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chupchup@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Robert Earl)
Subject: Re: Shadow Project
Organization: (EVIL!)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:22:25 GMT

| San Diego date: Sun, 20 September at Crackers, 1845-1/2 Hancock
| Street.

I'm sorry, I got the date mixed up with another concert at Crackers;
the real Shadow Project date is Sunday, 4 October.

By the way, the show on 20 September is Stereotaxic Device with Dive,
and these fine concerts are brought to you by the weekly 18+
Gothic/Industrial club, Soil, if anyone cares.  :-)
-- 
"If you've got a pig that likes jumping fences, | robert earl
you have to make its fence a lot higher all at  | rearl@ucsd.edu
once -- if you do it by increments, all you're  | rearl@piggy.ucsb.edu
doing is training a jumping pig." -Henry Spencer|
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: neuro@bluemoon.rn.com (David Hershhorn)
Subject: Course Of Empire
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:21:10 EDT

Anyone out there heard of Course Of Empire?  How 'bout Lestat?
                                                -neuro

 This is from
     neuro@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,syr.general,syr.cis
Subject: Re: Censorship at Syracuse University CST
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:33:55 GMT
Organization: Institute for Sensory Research


I think perhaps you should conduct a test to see what CST management
considers in "bad taste". This would provide you with further data
for your campaign against them. For instance.. Put up a GLSA notice and
a bash gays not seals poster and see which is torn down and which left..
Then put up a MADD poster and a Beer poster; then a Women Against pron and
a centerfold... etc.. after several months you would have clear indications
of which viewpoints they felt were in bad taste.

--
Mike_Schechter@isr.syr.edu | XLII,B,+3dB,Non-Nak | Make Tapes, Not War
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: mstrange@alfred.carleton.ca (N E N Strangelove)
Subject: Moderated?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:11:55 GMT

Greetings,

I am compiling a directory of networked reosurces for social work
studies [2nd edition]. I would like to include alt.censorship. I would
appreciate a *brief* description of the newsgroup [2-3 lines max.]. I
also nee to know if the group is moderated.

Thanks in advance,

Natalie Strangelove

PS\Please email me directly, as I am not subscribed to this group.
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Polack joke
From: daniel.moran@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Daniel Moran) 
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: daniel.moran@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Daniel Moran) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

MS>The only thing is that people allover the world subscribe to this group,
MS>not everyone is American and for that matter does not give a shit about
MS>YOUR FIRST AMMENDMENT. This is an international community, and I don't
MS>want some infintile (BRETT who ever you are) to spread such sarcastic
MS>and insulting jokes, THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR MUST BE DEALT WITH, or tell
MS>him to mover over to the German group, Itallian group - whatever as
MS>long as he stops bashing Polish culture.

I agree -- Polish jokes are in poor taste at best. But how exactly do
you propose "dealing with" those who tell them? There is a vast gulf
between speech that is offensive, and speech that needs to be "dealt
with." I can think of many examples of the former; short of outright
calls to violence, I can't think of many examples of the latter.

-- Daniel Keys Moran
                                            
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: The Establishment Clause
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:52:15 GMT


Ok, people, read your Bill of Rights. Not only can no law be passed interfering
with free excercise of religion, no law respecting the establishment of
religion may be passed either. I keep reading these posts about the SC
'stifling religious speech' which act as if they stopped reading the 1st
admendment before the establishment clause.

Yes, the government CAN restrict the speech of government agencies.
In fact, the govt MUST restrict the speech of govt agencies to prevent these
agencies from 'eastablishing' Christianity as a government approved religion.

Dig?

-rob

Xref: sparky alt.censorship:7328 rec.humor:27642 soc.culture.polish:2276
From: oleg@crash.cts.com (Oleg Rovner)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,rec.humor,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Polack joke
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:04:19 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <1992Aug28.161903.18260@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>
>So far I must say that I have seen some reasonable requests from few
>people with some good explanations in regards to my posting about
>polack jokes. But for the most part fagets like you and many other
>sissies replied, that only want to jump on the wagon and who are 
>brave only because they are sitting someplace far away at a terminal
>a blabbing away gibrish. However some people did have some good points.
>
>
>
That's right Mario. You've found the truth. The net, rec.humor, and
alt.censorship are ALL part of the international kike-'faget'-sissy-anti-christ
conspiracy to demean the great Polish people in general, and you personally.

I do feel pretty safe, since I am sitting here in front of my machine
and not next to a manly man like you who would undoubtedly 
exhibit his capacity for wit, philosophy, and general good humor by
trying to slug me. So, nah-nah-nah. By the way, when you get home,
you may not reccognize the Pope, 'cause I shaved his back.

 Regards,
 Oleg
 
P.S. I am white, agnostic, heterosexual, but you know, they let
all types into the Conspiracy nowadays. The world is against you,
now go away, or I shall taunt you some more.
Xref: sparky alt.censorship:7221 soc.culture.african.american:9060 alt.activism:15617 misc.legal:16602 soc.culture.usa:6957 oh.general:467
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.african.american,alt.activism,misc.legal,soc.culture.usa,oh.general
Subject: Re: [UPI] High court strikes down ethnic intimidation law
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:43:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>	COLUMBUS, Ohio (UPI) -- The Ohio Supreme Court has ruled the state's
>ethnic intimidation law is unconstitutional because it is an
>infringement of the right of free speech.
>	``Enhancing a penalty because of the motive ... punishes a person's
>thought, rather than the person's act or criminal intent,'' the court
>said in an opinion written by sssociate justice Herbert Brown.

        The Court is right.  The legislature has the power to make
intimidation illegal (that's what "assault" without "battery" is),
and it should be prosecuted that way.  Intimidation by threat is already
illegal; a special "ethnic intimidation law" is superfluous.

        This is much like the flag-burning issue.  If an "enhancement"
statue based on, say, "sedition" might allow promotion of disorderly
conduct to a felony based on the motive, one could make most protest
actions felonies (as, indeed, they have been at times in the past),
allowing an end-run around the First Amendment.  This approach could
have been used in the '60s to jail sit-in protestors on felony charges.
Or Operation Rescue protestors today.

        It's hard, but as with the "hate speech" issue, you have to
separate words from actions and punish only the illegal actions.
Otherwise you end up with people you agree with being silenced.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.canada,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Private data not so private
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:01:29 GMT


In article <MeZjYHO00XsF0WuERT@andrew.cmu.edu> dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu (David O Hunt) writes:
>
>Hello all.  A while ago I promised to get some info about what is
>available about us...well, here it is in gory detail:
>
>Details of the Pre-Employment Services (from * above).  Note - XXXX is
>the name of the network, and I've X'ed it out....

WHY?


Newsgroups: alt.censorship