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From: phill@HIVNET.UBC.CA (Phill St-Louis)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Problems using macdump with quadras
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:20:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


>Has anyone ever tried to use macdump with Quadras.
>It works ok for our macII,IIx's etc but when I tried
>it with two different Quadra 700's (caches turned off)
>the mac rdev (dumper 3.2) appeared not to respond. ie I try
>
>/usr/local/lib/macdump -mac=kerriet -zone="adfa-ee2&3" -disknames
>
>and get
>
>/usr/local/lib/macdump: Response: 
>

I had this same problem with the IIsi, IIci and the LCIIs.  The solution was
sent to me by Tom Evans (tom@wcc.oz.au).  I do not have the full text of his
response.  Here is the summary that I posted to Usenet:

The Macintoshes that were not working were a IIsi, a IIci and two of the new
LC IIs, all running System 7.  Our other machines, which are fully functional
are SE/30s.  Apparently, Macs that have 32-bit-clean ROMs 
have different code in their ROMs.  
Apple presumably made the largest changes going from "24-bit-addressing"
ROMs to "32-bit-clean" ROM code. The earlier stuff consistently leaves
the "right" value in memory at the "magic" place, and the "new" stuff
consistently leaves "64" in there.


There is known to be a
fixed version of Dumper floating around, with the SAME version number, but
with a different size (I have two here of 24,553 and 24,131 bytes, the
latter the original Dumper you have, and the other a fiddled version
of the "new one"). It is NOT a "patched" version - there are
significant changes in all code resources indication recompilation.
 
Here's the new "patch table" - I've rearranged it so it is hopefully
less confusing:
 
The Patch 
----------
  The fix can be implemented in Resedit. Note the "(same)" bytes are
  there to provide context for the patch, and correspond to the code
  in the previous section:

        File:           Dumper
        Version:        3.2
        Resource Type:  INIT
        Resource ID:    130 (Hex 82)
        Resource Name:  "Dump installer"
        Patch Location: 0x276

        Addr    Change From     To
        ----------------------------------
        0276    4E56            4E56 (same)
        0278    FE48            FE48 (same)
        027A    426E            422E
        027C    FE54            FFE4
        027E    426E            42AE
        0280    FE52            FE52 (same)
        0282    42AE            42AE (same)
        0284    FE4C            FE4C (same)
  

Phill St. Louis
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows)
Subject: Filemaker pro & Dumper interaction?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:32:57 GMT
Organization: The Portland Group, Portland, OR


We just had an unpleasant problem when a Mac IIcx somehow got it's
disk trashed and wouldn't boot.  God knows how this happened but that
is probably the subject of another post.  In any case, we've been
using macdump for daily incrementals and occasional fulls, and I've
restored another Mac twice from scratch without loosing anything, so
I initialized the disk and ran restore.

Seemed to work ok, but then we found that one of our Filemaker Pro (2.0)
files was 0 length!  This file changes every day, so we went back one day
on the incremental -- same problem.  Went back one more day, to Friday
night, and the file was there.

The guess is that a network user left the Filemaker Pro database open
and the Dumper was unable to read it.  So I have several questions:
    1. Is this likely or possible?
    2. Shouldn't Dumper give an error indication?
    3. Does anyone plan to update Dumper to fix these problems?
    4. Is there another (free or otherwise) mac backup program that will
       allow me to back up to tape on a Unix box, that also has better
       error recovery, etc?

Thanks in advance, I'll summarize if it looks worthwhile.
-- 
Larry Meadows		The Portland Group
lfm@pgroup.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: williabv@cs.aston.ac.uk (Bryn Williams)
Subject: Help! Using an Amiga as a Mac fileserver
Reply-To: williabv@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:19:27 GMT

I have recently come by a basic Mac, and I'd like to network it to my Amiga,
so that the Mac could mount the Amiga's hard drive as a file server via 
Appleshare.  Is this possible, and has anyone done it?

Cheers,

Bryn

williabv@cs.aston.ac.uk



Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jeffc@comb1.comb.umd.edu (Jeff Clowser; IRG)
Subject: PC's on an appletalk network
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Maryland, Center of Marine Biotechnology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:34:00 GMT

I'm *considering* writing a network management program which basically will
allow me to see all nodes on all appletalk zones, and to download software
updates to remote machines.

I know there are some commercial ones out there, but they are either too 
expensive, or don't do what I want (plus I'm slightly masochistic about
solving my own problems, and I want to learn more about writing network
programs for appletalk...)

Anyway, I want to include PC's in this idea.  While I can buy a localtalk
card for a PC, all our machines are on ethernet.  I'd like to be able to
write a responder that runs on the PC, that communicates via appletalk (ie
can register with NBP, send and receive Appletalk Packets, etc)  I would
prefer to be able to do it without having to know about the underlying
hardware - ie like if I were writing it on a Mac.  But if that's not possible,
I want to at least support PC's on ethernet.

Here's mainly what I need help with (at least for starters):

  o  What products are available to make a PC visible on an appletalk network
     and does it work with localtalk cards; Ethernet cards?
  o  What is available to write programs that use appletalk on a PC?

At the very minimum, I would like to show the PC's on a topology map, just so
we can see them on the network.

===============================================================================
Jeff Clowser		    			     "A keyboard... how quaint"
JeffC@comb1.comb.umd.edu
Network Administrator, Macintosh Technical Support
Information Resources Group, Maryland Biotechnology Institute
University of Maryland
From: mef@TE6000.OTC.LSU.EDU (Michael E. Fox (OTC - 203C D. Boyd))
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: multiple phase2 zones on a network
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:28:37 GMT
Organization: LSU Office of Telecommunications

On Nov 7,  5:59am, Stephen C. Trier wrote:
 
> Under phase 2, there is no relationship between zones and network
numbers.
> You can assign as many zones as you like to a phase 2 extended network
> (one with a range of net numbers), and you can assign as many numbers
as
> you like.

>-- End of excerpt from Stephen C. Trier

This is an area of contention between our local Apple folks and "Inside
Appletalk".  According to everything I've read and heard, you are
absolutely correct -- zone names and network numbers are independent.  A
zone can span multiple networks and a network can contain multiple
zones.  A localtalk cable can only have one network number.  I was not
aware that a localtalk cable could have only one zone.  Is this true?

Also, our Apple engineer tells us that zones are not allowed to span
what you call "cable" (sections divided by routers).  I don't see a
reason why not?  Do you have a source for this info?

Michael E. Fox



-- 

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Michael E. Fox                  Phone:     (504) 388-5295
Assistant Director              FAX:       (504) 388-6400
LSU Telecommunications          Internet:  mef@te6000.otc.lsu.edu
203 David Boyd Hall             DECnet:    TE6000::mef
Baton Rouge, LA  70803          BITNET:    TELFOX@LSUVM
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From: cravitma@student.msu.edu (Matthew B Cravit)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:11:46 GMT
Organization: The Internet

unsubscribe

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: Re: LocalTalk Protocol Monitors
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: NCRPDA, Curtin University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.170147.23699@ncsu.edu>, shcrensh@eos.ncsu.edu (SCOTT
HARDING CRENSHAW) wrote:

> Do you have any recommendations for Macintosh-based AppleTalk network
> analysis software ?
> 
> I'm interested in an (inexpensive) package which monitors LocalTalk packets
> and displays higher-layer AppleTalk protocol headers.  Something
> like "Peek", but which can interpret more than LLAP and DDP headers. 

There is a program called Watch available from ftp.cayman.com in
/pub/Watch.  Its not as flash as some of the other packages available, but
the price is right if you're on a tight budget.  It was enough to solve my
problems.
   Peter.

_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis, NCRPDA, Curtin University       peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au
GPO Box U1987, Perth WA 6001, AUSTRALIA              Ph: +61 9 368 2055
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: CAP Installation Question
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:52:29 GMT

Is there a FAQ for this group? I'm a newbie and am just installing
CAP for the first time. I'm in testing phase now and have created
a atalk.local file (which I suspect is probably wrong). When I run
getzones, I get the following error:

#./getzones -v
abInit: [ddp:   1.00, 1] starting
error -1096 getting zone list

The man page on getzones doesn't list any error numbers. My atalk.local
file looks like this:

# mynet         mynode          myzone 
257.0           1               *
# bridgenet     bridgenode      bridgeIP
257.0           2               200.200.1.2

I've also tried replacing * with "Campus" and got the same error.
Does anyone know what might be wrong. I am unsure of the value of
"mynode", and the guy here who setup our fastpath wasn't sure
what value this was referring to. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

--
Peter Steele        Unix Services Manager            peter.steele@acadiau.ca 
Acadia Univ., Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P 1X0  902-542-2201  Fax: 902-542-4364
From: anstine@uniblab.sas.upenn.edu (David Anstine)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Limitcheck error with original Laserwriter
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: anstine@uniblab.sas.upenn.edu

I have an original Laserwriter hooked up to an Etherprint. Five macs varying  
from SE to IIci print to it using Asante ethernet cards and Ethertalk phase 2.  
All macs are sporting system 7 printer drivers, although operating systems vary  
between 6.0.8 and 7.0.1. Besides the printer's occasional disappearance from  
our appletalk zone (a bug verified by Dayna), the printer gets locked up with  
the following error:

limitcheck; OffendingCommand: eexec

whereupon the printer must be restarted. This is caused by no specific machine   
or application. This printer was previously localtalked in the same LAN with no  
problems. Is it time for a new printer?

-dave
From: N.R.Ellis@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel R. Ellis)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP -- problems with lwsrv
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:05:18 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hi,

We've just installed CAP at our site and are using it as an appletalk
bridge.  This works just great and has improved services no end.  We
now want to have access to all of the Unix print services via. CAP, 
but have hit a few problems.

To start the lwsrv we have an entry of:


lwsrv -p llw -n 'Dur Computer Sc Lodge' -l /tmp/lodgelwsrv.log 
      -f /usr/local/lib/LWPlusFonts -a /usr/local/lib/procsets 
      -T quote8bit

This seems to be fine from the manual page's point of view.  However, in
the log file we get:

lwsrv: Spooler starting for CompSciMain.LaserWriter.*
lwsrv: simple: Font list from file /usr/local/lib/LWPlusFonts
lwsrv: (re)Scanning for Procsets
lwsrv: SLInit failed: -1025

What does the 'SLInit failed' mean?  What are we doing wrong?

Thanks for any help,

Nigel.

--
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| Nigel R Ellis, Artificial Intelligence Group,  | N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk   |
| Department of Computer Science, University of  | Phne: +44.91.374.2549    |
| Durham, Durham. England DH1 3LE                | Fax : +44.91.374.3741    |
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From: trier@slc6.ins.cwru.edu (Stephen C. Trier)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: multiple phase2 zones on a network
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:49:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc6.ins.cwru.edu

In article <1992Nov10.212317.22514@novell.com> cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch) writes:
>	Once a router (any router) has been seeded by _any_ means, 
>	to too becomes a seed router.

You know, I've always wished someone would distinguish between authoritative
and non-authoritative zone lists.  A seed router would have an authoritative
zone list, and a non-seed router would be non-authoritative.

Granted, this can't be done today without modifying the protocols, but it is
sorely needed.  There really ought to be a clean way to do a gradual reload
of routers on a network.

-- 
Stephen Trier                                     
Network Services Engineering, IRIS/INS/Telecom    
Case Western Reserve University                   
trier@ins.cwru.edu
From: 8905991@ul.ie
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: looking for CHEAP Mac ethernet cards
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:47:12 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

I hope this is the right newsgroup.
Most of you out there must have ethernet cards, so  I was wondering
what is the cheapest working ethernet card available for the Mac.
I have a IIsi with neither the NuBus or '030 direct adaptor but I
am prepared to buy either.

Thanks In Advance.
				Colm O'Reilly.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/	internet: 8905991@ul.ie						       /
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: fsgreen@dredd.lerc.nasa.gov (Doug Greenwald)
Subject: Need AppleTalk Frame/Header Formats
Originator: fsgreen@dredd
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:22:22 GMT

Howdy,

I'm writing a small network analyzer to gather statistics.  I have most of the
IP protocols done but am having problems finding information regarding
AppleTalk.  I need the type field of the ethernet frame for general
statistics gathering and would like the higher layer protocol packet
formats for completeness.

Any pointers to references or information you could shed would be appreciated.

For those interested in the program, I'm writing it for Sun workstations.  If
responses warrant (and the program doesn't turn into a load of crap), I'll 
make it available.


-- 
Doug Greenwald                       fsgreen@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov
Sun System Administrator             (216) 433 5965
ICOMP, NASA Lewis Research Center
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: mi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Mark Interrante)
Subject: Looking for Unix server for ARA?
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:19:47 GMT

I was told that a program exists that allows macs running ARA
to connect into a unix machine.  Can someone give me  lead
on this?

Mark
From: robbins@slider.Kodak.COM (Gretchen Mittelstaedt)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: More problems with CAP 6.0
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:08:11 GMT
Reply-To: grobbins@Kodak.COM
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

I too have been having problems similar to those experienced by
peter.steele@acadiau.ca and selina@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (I could attribute
it to a Canada thing, but I am not from Canada).

Setup:	Macs on LocalTalk segment
	GatorBox bridging between LocalTalk and Ethernet subnet
	CAP on Sun SPARC2 located inside subnet

This is my atalk.local:

# mynet         mynode          myzone 
19981           2               *
# bridgenet     bridgenode      bridgeIP
19981           70              150.220.79.70

The network number (19981) is what appears in the GatorTools display for
the nodes on my LocalTalk when I do a NBP lookup on the Mac.  
But... when I start up atis, the following is reported:

ultra# atis &
[1] 19706
ultra# abInit: [ddp:  78.13, 2] starting
16:49:49 11/10/92  Reply num max for lkup reply is 5 (based on 104)

I imagine that the [ddp:  78.13, 2] portion is supposed to reflect the
network and node number for the unix machine that CAP is running on,
but that doesn't seem to mesh with the net number I specified in atalk.local.

I am getting the same kind of errors that recent CAP60 problems posted
here have reported:

ultra# getzones
error -1096 getting zone list

and

ultra# atistest
CAP distribution 6.00 using UDP encapsulation, July 1992
Copyright (c) 1986,1987,1988 by The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York

abInit: [ddp:  78.13, 2] starting
debugging NBP
Registering "atis test:testing@*"
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 3 remain
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 2 remain
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 1 remain
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 0 remain
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 3 remain
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 2 remain
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 1 remain
NBP SndNBP: sending
NBP nbp_timeout: 4 tick timeout on -134219260, 0 remain
nbp register error because: couldn't register name - is atis running?


Thanks in advance!!!

Gretchen Mittestaedt
Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester NY
grobbins@kodak.com
From: huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Scott Huddle)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: So Close And Yet So Far (lpd and CAP)
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:29:43 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


Ive installed CAP (Native Ethernet) on my system 
(Sun OS 4.1.1) and most everything appears fine.  I can get
back a list of zones, I can see my LaserWriter, and I can
even print a PostScript file using lwpr.  

BUT, I can't get this to work with lpr.  I think I am really
really close, but have worn out all my brain cells with
combinations and don't quite get it.

My etc/printcap looks like this:
# Appletalk (CAP) printer "LaserWriter II NT@Twilight Zone"
scribe|ps|LaserWriter:\
        :lp=/var/spool/scribe/scribe.output:\
        :sd=/var/spool/scribe:\
        :pl#72:pw#85:\
        :sf:\
        :lf=/var/adm/ps-errs:\
        :af=/var/adm/ps.acct:\
        :of=/usr/local/cap/papof:\
        :if=/var/spool/scribe/scribe:

My spool directory looks like this:
-rw-rw-rw-  1 daemon        133 Nov 11 01:07 .banner
-rw-r----x  1 root            4 Nov 11 00:48 .seq
-rw-r--r--  1 root           29 Nov 11 01:07 lock
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root           20 Nov 11 00:48 scribe -> /usr/local/cap/papif
-rw-rw-r--  1 daemon          0 Nov 11 00:48 scribe.output
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root           20 Nov 11 00:48 scribe.tf -> /usr/local/cap/papif
-rw-rw-r--  1 root           29 Nov 11 01:07 status

(A script I used automatically built the input filtering linked 
off to the main distribution, but even if I list the 
if=/usr/local/cap/papif, I get no results)

If I print something using lpr, I see it copied to the spool
directory (a .banner is made, cf* and df* files are created),
I can even see it with the lp tools

# lpc status
scribe:
	queuing is enabled
	printing is enabled
	1 entry in spool area
	scribe is ready and printing

# lpstat
scribe is ready and printing
Rank   Owner      Job  Files                     Total Size
active root       1    /.cshrc                   1013 bytes

BUT nothing comes out!!!  I think I'm missing something 
fundamental about how lpd and the spool directories work 
together.

thanks for listening

--
-scott
From: harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Crimping 10-Base-T wire
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:28:43 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <01GR0SN3FMXU00317L@ACAD.FANDM.EDU>, tom@FANDM.BITNET (Tom Mahoney - Electronics and Networks) writes:
>>I have a new question.  How hard is it to crimp RJ-45s when only using 2 pair
>>wire?  I believe 10-BASE-T requires using positions 1-2-3-6.  I was wondering
>>if most people just use 4 pair wire because it would be easier to crimp.  I
>>know this sounds wasteful, but I was thinking it might be easier.  And it's
>>there's a bad wire you can work around it.
> 
> We buy 500' or 1000' spools of 4 pair level 4.  When installing station cables,
>    we use all 4 pairs.  When making 10Base-T jumpers, I only use the green and o
>    range pairs, cutting the blue and brown at the jacket.  It sounds like it wou
>    ld be difficult to get the wires in the correct RJ45 slots for crimping, but
>    it is actually quite easy.  Just make sure they're all in the right spot befo
>    re crimping.
> 
> Remember to keep your pairs together.  No split pairs allowed here!
> 
> Tom Mahoney - Computer Electronics Technician
> Franklin & Marshall College
> Lancaster, PA  17604
> (717) 291-4005
> Tom@fandm.edu
> 
I was worried I couldn't easily put four wires into position 1-2-3-6, but since
you cut back four wires, your doing just that.  I thought it might be easier to
line up all 8 wires properly and just shove them in and crimp them.  Won't the
four extra just be ignored.  However, if it's easy enough to use just 2 pair, I
will use it.
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
James W. Harris, Memphis State University, Education - 200, Memphis, TN  38152
901-678-4632                                       harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: Query: ARNS
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:26:41 GMT


Really sorry for the wasted bandwidth -- I can't find the original
thread on ARNS anywhere. Could someone point me to the author?
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: yosi@rs.com (Yosi Almog)
Subject: CAP users to print on the NeWSprinter
Keywords: CAP NeWSprinter
Reply-To: yosi@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:36:53 GMT

Hi there,

We are going to use the NeWSprinter on our SparcStation 2. 
It will use the Newsprint software. 

Can the CAP software be configured so our mac users will be able 
to use this printer?
 
Thanks, Yosi

---

Yosi Almog
Systems Administrator			
Renaissance Software			
175 S. San Antonio Road
Los Altos CA 94022
Tel. 415/856.8000
From: DOWNING@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU ("Troy Downing 212.998.5765")
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Where to find CAP
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:56:58 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I'm looking for a complete and current CAP package. Any advice as to 
where and how I can obtain this would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Troy Downing
downing@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: davis@lugg.utah.edu (Darrell R. Davis)
Subject: Re: Where to find CAP 6.0
Organization: College of Science, University of Utah
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:20:00



Sorry to bother, but all I can locate is CAP 5.0.  Everyone talks
about CAP 6.0. 

Reply to the E-mail address below.

Thanks,

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Darrell R. Davis     
Medicinal Chemistry  
University of Utah  
SLC,  UT  84112  
(801) 581-7006  
FAX:  581-7087  
davis@adenosine.pharm.utah.edu  
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