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From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Massacre2
Date: 22 Dec 1992 02:56:29 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu

In article <1h6gflINNc6k@aludra.usc.edu> draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic) writes:
>======================================================================
>RTw  12/18 0616  CORPSE MUTILATION ANGERS SERBS AFTER MOSLEM ATTACK
>    By Donald Forbes
[...]
>    "We are all to blame. There are no innocent people in this war."

I predict that of all the nations in XYu, the ones who will ultimately
suffer the most because of this war will be the Serbs.  I further
predict that some rather dramatic barbarities will ultimately occur
inside Serbia proper because of the nature of this war, and that all
the outside forces which might otherwise help (EC, UN, NATO) will
blithely stand aside and piously opine that justice is being done.
Adding fuel to this fire is the likely election victory of Milosevic
this weekend.  It now appears that Serbs have freely chosen the
current policy; with Seselj's surprising showing at the polls, it
seems that an even more violent policy is the choice of many Serbs.  A
reprehensible past, an evil present, and a tragic future is what I see
for Serbia.

-- 
Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                      <victor@kirk.wustl.edu>
Department of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130 USA
Telephone:  USA(314)935-6771, USA(314)727-0749;     FAX: USA(314)727-4963
Sto se ljuckim trudom uzdignulo, Ljuckim znojem jopet se ponavlja. --Medo Pucic
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:10367 soc.culture.croatia:313 soc.culture.europe:10975
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Zelenaska djubrad je dobila sta zasluzuje.
Date: 22 Dec 92 06:31:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:

>  Just as I expected, here comes Ana M. Shane charging forward with her UJDI
>ideas.  I'm surprised more of your pals from SII haven't expressed their 
>"disgust for Milan the fascist" on scy yet.  Tell me, Ana, how come you're not
>as quick in calling the LSCG members "fascists", since they're the ones who
>behave like terrorists and carry guns around?  SHAME ON YOU, HYPOCRITE !
>Ana, I don't won't to waste my time any more with people like you. You have no
>nation. You have no religion. You have no culture.  Keep reading your beloved 
>tjednik "Vreme" and get back in your hole.

My nation is Yugoslav, my nationality, religion and culture are my private
matter. My comment was NOT about YOU, since I don't know you but about
the LANGUAGE and the MANNER you used in ONE of your postings. I didn't
say that LSCG is right or wrong, that may be a matter of oppinion and
discussion. 

A Hypocrite is: an actor, pretender, one who falsely professes to be
virtuously or religiously inclined; one who pretends to be other and
better than he is. - Oxford Dictionary.

I don't think I have ever pretended on this net.


>  And as far as democracy is concerned, I was out in the streets and halls of
>Belgrade fighting against the commies in the spring of 1990.  I'm all for
>dialogue and I support Milan Panic.  So don't try to give me lessons about
>democracy.  Your calls for "peace" remind of another netter, Andrej Brodnik,
>who had that in his signature.  You're both phonies.

beacuse we want peace? Because I regard ALL of the peoples of Yugoslavia
as my people? Because I try to point out that the real enemies of all
the peoples are the ones who lead them in war? Why, really?

>Milan Pavlovic
>===============================================================================
>		M A C E D O N I A  =  H E L L A S
>===============================================================================

  With hopes for peace

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Ana M. Shane                              voice: (215)-843-2909
334 Winona St.
Philadelphia, PA 19144      e-mail: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:10233 soc.culture.croatia:201
From: pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Re: Mr.Pavlovic is a liar (until he disproves this)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:44:19 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <BzoDH9.C2I@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
>In article <1h7crbINNhb2@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>> 
>> Are you telling me that abrodnik, the man who replicated
>> the ultimate misuser of Usenet, Hasan B-) Mutlu, in cross posting tons and tons
>> of propaganda for over a year, is one who wants peace?  Is this the same
>> arrogant Andrej Brodnik we're talking about here, the arrrogant, racist,
>> pretentious abrodnik who tried to shup up the Serbian side of the story the
>> minute DVV started posting articles about the crimes of Croats?
>
>Mr.Pavlovic, I'm eagerly avaiting your obvious proves for all claims
>you enlisted above.
>
>Merry Christmas, to everybody, and to you Mr.Pavlovic. Note, that
>Christmas is meant to be a holiday of peace. Make your peace with
>Christ, Mr.Pavlovic, if you can't with people. Confess (to him) your
>sins including spreading the lies and hatred. I forgive you for this.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Andrej
>

  I never asked for your forgiveness, Mr. Brodnik!   Now, are you telling me
something about hatred?  Let me quote one of your sentences from back in
February of this year, which I still vividly remember because of the
incredible amount of animosity that it contained:

"Dr. Efstratiadis, I'd be ashamed to be your son."

  Do you remember that one, Mr. Brodnik?  Well, I remember it very well.  I
couldn't believe that any human being could write something like that to
another human being.  And you're trying to tell ME something about hatred?

  And what about your ultimate lie, repeated every month in the "South Slavic
Mailing Lists", that the magazine "Vreme" has been published since the "fall of
1989", when you know very well that the first issue came out on Oct. 29, 1990,
as I pointed out to you over 5 times already?

  Let me return your greetings in grace, and wish you and everyone else on
these groups  a very Merry Christmas.  May 1993 bring an end to the warfare
in Balkans, and happiness to all the nations of the former Yugoslavia.

With best regards,   (that's right, there's no "the" in that greeting) 
Milan Pavlovic
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		M A C E D O N I A  =  H E L L A S
===============================================================================
From: starovic@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Gradimir Starovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Understanding the roots of hatred - it comes from the TOP
Keywords: peace, hatred, war, opression
Date: 31 Dec 92 11:30:20 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <1992Dec30.232714.23966@cc.uow.edu.au> cicic@cc.uow.edu.au (muris cicic) writes:


>It is exactlly what you try to deny.  And you should know that we know.
>And save us of your call for peace after you have conquered our land, moved
>in our houses, and looted our property.  

>Your belief in our stupidity is pathetic.  You can confuse some people from
>the West, not us.  The plan was so simple from the beginning: kill them all,

>I genuinelly would like to see you being raped, and then call on you for peace
>with your rapist.  I also would like your city being destroyed, and your 
>family killed, and your house full of 'innocent' people.  I want you starve
>to death, live without water, electricity, and be a target for sniper.  And 

>Muris

Some of my close relatives managed to leave Sarajevo a few weeks ago with a 
refugee convoy. What they say has been happening in that town agrees in many
ways with what you say. The only difference is that those that are looting, 
raping, killing, etc. are the Muslims, and the crimes are commited mainly 
against the Serbs remaining in town, but also against others who don't want 
to accept the new Muslim state. 

They spent seven months in the city center and during that time haven't got
any of the food that is coming to town from abroad (the same was happening with 
all other Serbs, their neighbours). Their house was looted, some of their 
Serb nieghbours killed, some of them 'only' tortured. Now, after all that time,
they talk about the genocide that is going on against the Serbs in Sarajevo. 
They haven't said a word against the Serbs in the hills around Sarajevo. 

Now, of course I dont believe a word they say. I believe in Alija Izetbegovic
and his mujahedeens. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia
From: medvidov@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Nenad Medvidovid)
Subject: Re: Zelenaska djubrad je dobila sta zasluzuje.
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Reply-To: medvidov@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Nenad Medvidovic)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:26:06 GMT

In article <1h4idvINNk1v@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>In article <Dec.21.03.57.14.1992.19071@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>>pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>>
>>
>>>  Ogromno mi je zadovoljstvo da prenesem jedan clanak o tome kako su UJDI-jevci
>>>iz Crne Gore, tj. zelenaska DJUBRAD, prosli nedavno u Bijelom Polju.  Zao mi
>>>je samo sto nisam bio tamo sa bracom i sestrama Srbima i Srpkinjama iz Crne
>>>Gore, koji su na tako prikladan nacin docekali Ustasko-UJDI bitange.
>>
>>[the rest deleted]
>>
>>Milan, this really puts you in the league of the worst fascists!
>>Shame on you! Is this the kind of democracy and civilised behavior
>>you propagate?
>
>  Just as I expected, here comes Ana M. Shane charging forward with her UJDI
>ideas.  I'm surprised more of your pals from SII haven't expressed their 
>"disgust for Milan the fascist" on scy yet.  Tell me, Ana, how come you're not
>as quick in calling the LSCG members "fascists", since they're the ones who
>behave like terrorists and carry guns around?  SHAME ON YOU, HYPOCRITE !
>Ana, I don't won't to waste my time any more with people like you. You have no
>nation. You have no religion. You have no culture.  Keep reading your beloved 
>tjednik "Vreme" and get back in your hole.
>
>
> [STUFF DELETED]
>
>
>Milan Pavlovic
>===============================================================================
>		M A C E D O N I A  =  H E L L A S
>===============================================================================



	Although I had promised myself not to get into all the petty bickering
that often seems to plague this newsgroup, I can't resist this time.
Considering that, over the several months I have been reading scy, I found 
Ms. Ana Shane to be one of the few voices of reason in this whole maddness, I
have but one question:
	Whereas Ana (and a few others, including myself) may not have a nation
or religion (although I would appreciate if Mr. Pavlovic could enlighten us
with what qualifications he has to be able to determine such a thing), which
one does this respected panel perceive as having no culture: Ms. Shane or
Mr. Pavlovic?

	I thought so!

Nenad the-Serbo-Croat-from-Montenegro Medvidovic
Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:10228 soc.culture.croatia:198
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Macedonia: Reality versus History.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:07:59 GMT

dlatane@hibbs.vcu.edu (David E. Latane) writes:

>351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

>I agree that the Greek people are more reasonable than their government.
>The official position of the government is that there can be no recognition of
>any state with the word "Macedonia" in it in any form, and that such a state,
>if recognized by others will be blockaded, starved, frozen, etc.
>"Slavic Macedonia" is unacceptable to the Greek government. It is completely
>impossible for the government in Skopje, because the Republic of Macedonia
>contains Slavs, Albanians, Gypsies, Turks, Vlachs, Serbs.

 The Greek goverment has proposed in the past the names "Slavic Macedonia" and
 "Vardar Macedonia," which were rejected by Skopje.  Instead, Skopje has
 chosen to escalate the confrontation with Greece by using the symbol of
 ancient Macedonians, found in Greece in several places, in their flag.
 Their flag is simply outrageous.  You cannot proclaim no relation with
 ancient Macedonians, and no territorial claims against Greece, and at the
 same time choose this flag. 

 And excuse me, I cannot understand why a name like "Slavic Macedonia" or
 "Vardar Macedonia" is impossible.  Does the name Yugo-SLAVIA ring you a bell?
 Dont tell me that they do it because of the Alabnians, since they ignored
 them when voting for their flag (the Albanians were strongly against the
 use of this flag, and they walked out of their parliament.)


>As for the printing of the maps, that's called a free press.  It's not smart,
>but it's not government policy or the sentiment of more than a small
>minority of people in Skopje.  

 Since when the bigest party in Skopje appears to be "a small minority of
 people in Skopje?"  And dont give me the bull* about "a free press."  These
 maps have been publishing over the last 40 years, and certainly this is not
 something new. 

>David Latane

 Panos Tamamidis
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:06:00 CET
From: patrick.morgan@zamir-bg.comlink.de
Reply-To: patrick.morgan@zamir-bg.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: referendum figures
Organization: Zamir = for peace, Beograd
Content-Length: 723     
X-Gateway: UC xclhh [UZERCP V3.99]

Many greetings to all!
I have a short and simple request to make.  Does anyone out there
have the resulting figures from the referendums on deciding to
bail out of the SFRY in Croatia and Bosnia?  I would like to have
clearly and accurately written out information from both
republics, divided also by ethnic group, if possible.
I think that others would be interested in having this
information, too, so please make it public on the
\soc\culture\yugo bbs.
I hope that this information can get to me quickly, since there
is talk about a telecommunications embargo on this country since
Milosevic's victory yesterday (Woe is us!  Will this region never
again know peace?)
Many sincere wishes for peace to everyone!

Patrick
From: pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Zelenaska djubrad je dobila sta zasluzuje.
Date: 21 Dec 1992 08:56:15 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <Dec.21.03.57.14.1992.19071@andromeda.rutgers.edu> pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane) writes:
>pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>
>
>>  Ogromno mi je zadovoljstvo da prenesem jedan clanak o tome kako su UJDI-jevci
>>iz Crne Gore, tj. zelenaska DJUBRAD, prosli nedavno u Bijelom Polju.  Zao mi
>>je samo sto nisam bio tamo sa bracom i sestrama Srbima i Srpkinjama iz Crne
>>Gore, koji su na tako prikladan nacin docekali Ustasko-UJDI bitange.
>
>[the rest deleted]
>
>Milan, this really puts you in the league of the worst fascists!
>Shame on you! Is this the kind of democracy and civilised behavior
>you propagate?

  Just as I expected, here comes Ana M. Shane charging forward with her UJDI
ideas.  I'm surprised more of your pals from SII haven't expressed their 
"disgust for Milan the fascist" on scy yet.  Tell me, Ana, how come you're not
as quick in calling the LSCG members "fascists", since they're the ones who
behave like terrorists and carry guns around?  SHAME ON YOU, HYPOCRITE !
Ana, I don't won't to waste my time any more with people like you. You have no
nation. You have no religion. You have no culture.  Keep reading your beloved 
tjednik "Vreme" and get back in your hole.

  And as far as democracy is concerned, I was out in the streets and halls of
Belgrade fighting against the commies in the spring of 1990.  I'm all for
dialogue and I support Milan Panic.  So don't try to give me lessons about
democracy.  Your calls for "peace" remind of another netter, Andrej Brodnik,
who had that in his signature.  You're both phonies.

Milan Pavlovic
===============================================================================
		M A C E D O N I A  =  H E L L A S
===============================================================================
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Families of the warrmongers
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:11:18 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Did you know:

Tudjman's father killed his wife and commited suicide...
Milosevic's parents and an uncle commited suicides...
Karadjic's father was in jail for 20 years for rape and murder of his own
niece...

That's the kind of families in which these people had developed...
Insane.


With such leaders, is there any hope for

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Ana M. Shane                               pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: mongolia
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:13:08 EST

In Article: <C06rsA.4Kw@news.udel.edu>
   Subject: Mongolia
      From: gbc@brahms.udel.edu (Baochun Ge) writes:


>Go to HELL with your Mongolia, we are not interested !

Is this the "socialist culture and ethics" which Jiang Zeming was
promoting in his new year's wishes?   ;-)
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Subject: Re: Two puzzles
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:34:07 GMT

Long time no see, Tuya. I can't answer your question in 1 hr and 10 seconds.
It seems something unclear in your question:

1. How much time does the dog need to slow-down, turn 180 degrees, and
speed up to the constand speed?

2. Is the guy allowed to destroy any evidence?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: Import/Export Research
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:00:25 GMT

In article 2254@ccsvax.sfasu.edu, z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu () writes:
>Hello all,
>
>	We are doing research on various items that international countries
                                                    ????????????? ?????????
>would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
                        ????????????????????????

everybody is interested! :-)

>anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
>product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
>that we are trying to find the answers to:
> 
>1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
>	shipping to China? 

from where?  I take it that you want US regulations?  Go to your near import/
export office and they have plenty of free info on doing business with China,
or any nation.  Pay them a visit and I guarantee you will leave the place with
a big smile. :-)  However, getting the chinese to pay for your legal imports
is another story!

>
>2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
>	requirements?

Consulate Offices and Import/Export directories in the business section of any 
good size public library.
 
>
>3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
>	that foreign market place?
>

depends. :-)  If you are talking about setting up a company in US, that is easier
than applying for a job.  Go to your city hall's small business department.  Fees
vary from city to city.  Once you pay for your license (< $100), go to the export
office to find out more.  As I point out before, they are very helpful and you
don't have to know anything before you walk in. :-)

>
>I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
>much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Ron Ables
>
>********************************************************************************
>Internet Addresses:
>			z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
>       			    
>				   or
>			   
>			   sfa1@jetson.uh.edu
>
>**********************************************************************************           

Happy ex/importing!
From: hxie@dps91a.cis.upenn.edu (Hong Liang Xie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Another situation puzzle
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:55:02 GMT

In article <1034@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
|> In article <BzL2HE.Bq3@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
|> >
|> >He is too short to reach the button.
|> 
|> I guess on a raining day, he can reach by his umbrella.
|> 
|> -- 
|> //Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.

So the puzzle is solved, quickly.  Here is another one.  Have fun.

***************************
A man is sitting in bed in a hotel room.  He makes a phone call,
saying nothing, and then goes to sleep. 
***************************

-Hongliang
From: tan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Shufeng Tan)
Subject: Real social stuff: single male seeking girlfriend
Followup-To: tan@sunny.chem-eng.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:14:33 GMT
Expires: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 06:00:00 GMT

The following message is posted for my friend Jimmy.  PLEASE DO NOT SEND REPLY
TO MY ACCOUNT.

Out-going single male, from China, 28, 175 cm, 135 pounds, PhD in electrical
engineering, chief engineer of a company in north suburb of Chicago, looking
for a nice fun-loving girl who is under 26, Mandarin-speaking, with a college
degree, does not have to know cooking.  If interested, please call Jimmy at
708-475-7234.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Everyone should change his major to Qi Gong major
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:52:18 GMT
Reply-To: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

OK use your common sense:

If those Qi Gong masters can really move objects at a distance, alter
matter, and cause chemical reactions, why the F*CK are they peddling 
it like snake oil ??!!


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