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From: asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Subject: Re: Re meaning of 14th august
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:25:15 GMT

In article <l9aqg6INNh0i@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.162726.19176@uceng.UC.EDU> rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar) writes:
>>
>>>		As you can see, I am relatively very new to the computers
>>
>>Oh yeah? 
>>You sure must have a very slow learning curve.
>
>Actually he has forgotten what he has learnt and as any biologist worth his
>Epsom salt will tell you, those are the classical symptoms of neuron
>degeneration caused by the onset of Alzheimer's disease.

i	Samit and Raj Sahibs, I'm sure, you can refrain from
	personal attacks & bashing. If you had noticed the 
	system software and news posting software you would
	have agreed with the earlier statement.

	Those old days are long forgotten, let bygones be bygones :)
>
>
>>
>>>	and can;t seem to be getting this editor thing working, it chomped
>>>	off the line, 
>>
>>A few years ago you used to post only single lines. Now its articles
>>with one line missing! 
>>
>>What's next eh?
>
>Raj, aren't you being a little harsh here. After all the guy is a lowly
>undergrad and probably needs help anyway. Mind if I send some people over
>to "help" you out, Mr.Mughal? You are probably in the Pasadena area, right?

 Not sure if I need any help but I would definitely like to meet you. Yes,
	I'm in Pasadena, thats 20 mins from USC Campus which I frequent :)

>
>And anyway what damage could he possibly do that Deb Chat or King Cobra 
>could not "rectify" with a single posting?:-)

	Actually, among big and bigger fishes there are some unspoken
	agreements, they don't mess with each other because they all know
	the other side *can* inflict the same damage, if not more ;)
>
>>(I mean, asking Asim Mughal to post one line may restart some
>>old processes in his mind/brain. And I wouldn't want to be held
>>responsible for the resulting chaos)
>
>Actually I am hoping he will post, all the same. It might be interesting
>to hear from a life form at a level slightly higher than Mustafa Ibrahim. 


	Poor Ibrahim, his name gets dragged in with mine for no reason 
>
>
>Samit

Asim Mughal
[Standard Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Summary: Still does not solve the problem !
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:28:38 GMT

In article <l97jhnINNp0t@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.183759.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>   However to 
> >each his own and if someone feels he can treat more than one wife 
> >equally and his wives agree to it then it is their personal business.
> >I for one would shoot my good man in case he became interested in 
> >acquiring another wife.  No doubt about it!!
> 
> A woman has every right in Islam to make the above feelings 
> explicit before marrying. Or better still, there is no
> one to stop them if they want to have that in writing in the
> marriage contract.
> 
> In Islam, marriage is a legal contract. One can have any clause to
> which there is mutual consent, put in the contract. 

It is like saying:

 It is okay to have a law which premits starting a univesrity
 which does not admit blacks.

 Ofcourse any community which does not like that can say so at
that the start of the university and make it illegal to exclude
blacks.

BUT THAT IS RACISM.

To have a possibility that exclude blacks just because they are
blacks is racism.

similarly, although you can opt out of multiple wives, still the fact
remains. just to have the law that permits it, IS SEXISM.

 We have excluded females for too long, let me come in and enjoy
all freedoms of life, they deserve it. We cant deny their rights
any longer. 

 I love my sisters, I want them to fulfil their dreams, I want
all females to be able to be, whatever  they to want to be. 
But we must break down sexist laws, and allow them in the main stream. 

I live for that day. When all humans will stand equal.
Gods have promised us that day, it is time to deliver.

regards,

-Naveed

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: showing of wealth and honda acuras
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 19:43:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.053905.4126@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:

>jesus,
>all this showing of wealth, someone just bought a honda acura/ toyota cressida
>etc.
>
>As far as i am concerned i never show of wealth it is so degrading. I was
>really upset with my friend usman when he mentioned my fathers textile mills.
>I think people should be friendly with me not because of my fathers textile
>mills but because of my ................


C'mon Rafay, you know I only love you for your huge personality!

See you in Monaco.

Usman
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: schools, their star students and faculty..(was something else)
Keywords: duke
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:42:54 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug14.210316.26338@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:


>Rating of schools is generally considered by taking into account the
>following:
>
>- programs they offer
>- # of Ph.Ds produced each year 
>- any distinguised dissertations
>- research quality 
>- # of Nobel laureates among the alumni or faculty
>- student to teacher ratio
>


There are two other important criteria, at least in the US News rankings:

i) research money available;
ii) subjective opinions of a random sampling of professionals in a given
field (e.g. see the US News ranking of hospitals and graduate programs
in the humanities).

>
>Let's switch our discussion to Pakistani universities and colleges
>which offer BS/BSc/MS/MSc/PhDs... Since we have no rating system over
>there every schools claims to be the BEST in the country!
>

I don't want to start a war here, but I think a ranking of Pakistani
graduate programs is meaningless because neither the students nor
the faculty are free to seek the school of their choice.  Excellence
floats to the top in open competition, not in quota-dominated
protectionism.


Saad.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: DESI BOYS & ARAB WOMEN
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.163105.4623@digi.lonestar.org> msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar) writes:
>
>Dear Friends,
>	Recently a met a friend who had spent number of years in Saudia Arabia,
>he told me some alarming stories, how DESI's(people from the Indian subcontinent)
>are treated by the Arabs. A particular story which i found disturbing  was treatment
>of young DESI servants by ARAB women. These young servants are forced in to sexual
>relationship with elder women against their wishes.

that is truly disgusting, these arab women should be shot. Women are the sole
reason there is evil in this world, now if god had made us a-sexual there would
never be this problem.

sahibzada rafay khan[arab women are they blond]

p.s. how much does a ticket to arabia cost and how soon can i get one.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: SOUTH ASIAN SPORTS ACHIEVEMENTS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.173920.11971@leland.Stanford.EDU> asiddiqu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ali Siddiqui) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug12.021132.3838@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>>>usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug12.220626.29863@leland.Stanford.EDU> asiddiqu@leland.Stanford
>>.EDU (Ali Siddiqui) writes:
>
>>>Ali, who is this Shaukat guy?
>
>>>Usman
>
>
>As I say in my posting, he/she is the unknown and the known. I suspect he/she
>is "doctoring" with other peoples accounts at Stanford.
>
>But do not worry Brother Usman, I am close at his/her heels :-). Nobody enters
>this school unless they fulfill the "quota system" requirements :-).
>
>
>Ali.

Usman bhai,

the riddle is simple " captan jee" .........................

Ali please dont bring quota system into every argument.

sahibzada rafay khan[]
From: 771maqbool@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SOHNI PUNJABI
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:54:42 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

 Slam,

Akke nikki jaye araz karni ay, kujje nikki zaate thy loke(people)
punjabi vargi meethi(sweet) teey sohni zabban tha galth istemal kar ky upney
nikkey hone tha saboot they rayye nay. Kessey ney sach aakheya a,

"TAKKEY THE HANDI GAYE KOOTTEY(DOG) THE ZAATHE PHYECHANI GAYYI"

Punjabi zabban tha galth istemal karan walle ashaab the khidhmath wich ekk 
araz,
	"ilm pardheya (read) tey adab na sikheya, key leyna ilm nu parde 
	 key hoo."
=========================================================================
Tariq
From: nazir@sw.stratus.com (Meer Nazir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam and gays
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:00:55 GMT
Reply-To: somebody@somehost.edu
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.225824.11526@sco.COM>, waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:
> 
> 
> There's a shocking para in there about homosexual  activities in Pakistan.
> I didn't know this kind of things happened in Pakistan.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Oh khocha yey gay way kya hota hey?











No offence meant to anyone just thought while reading the article...

MEER NAZIR
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.030700.27303@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes...
>		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
>		===========================
> 
>		Sir Syed Ahmad Khan
>		===================
> 
>	Syed Ahmad Khan was born on October 17, 1817. His early education
>followed the traditional pattern. In February 1838, he was appointed 
> ............
>Mansoor Khan
>Cleveland, Ohio.
> 
        It will be very interesting if someone could also list names of
        all the "Ulamas" and the religious organisations who declared
        him a non-muslim "Kafer". As these "Ulamas" still exist in
        "Thoke" and people like Syed Ahmad Khan very few.

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:20:23 GMT

In article <l9a3ltINNrfp@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan
Hyder) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.193955.11586@cco.caltech.edu> asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu
(A. M. Mughal) writes:
> >In article <l97jhnINNp0t@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed
Irfan Hyder) writes:
> 
> >>A woman has every right in Islam to make the above feelings 
> >>explicit before marrying. Or better still, there is no
> >>one to stop them if they want to have that in writing in the
> >>marriage contract.
> >
> >	True, one can put in  any arrangement one wants in the 
> >marriage contract,
> >but the clauses which violate the laws of Allah will not be binding. Just a 
> >month or so ago, I had a liviely discussion with some friends on this
subject.
> 
> The marriage is a legal "contract". A legal contractual obligation
> in which one doesn't exceed Allah's limits, (one can always constrain
> oneself further the limits) is binding. The clause limiting a man
> to one wife is NOT a violation of Allah's law, it "is" only making
> explicit of Allah's recommendation ("and you cannot do justice, so
> take one").
> 
> Legal contracts can never exceed Allah's limit, but always "limit"
> and "constrain" what Allah has permitted. For instance, if I contractually
> oblige myself to pay Mr. X $100 each month from my earnings, I 
> have "only" further constrained myself from what Allah has decreed
> was lawfully mine, namely, my earnings.
> 
> >Specifically, the clause 'I will have the right to shoot my spouse if he 
> >becomes interested in having another wife' will not be acceptable.
> 
> I took the above statement as a figure of speech exemplifying one's
> disdain and not verbatim.
> 
> >
> >Nor the clause, 'I will not marry another woman' be binding on 'him' as 
> >the Creator has already given such a permission. 
> 
> Please confirm this. As I pointed out above, through contracts we
> limit some things which are "allowed" to us. Restricting ourselves,
> willfully, within a subset of some leave which is allowed "is", in fact,
>  the essence of a contract.
> 
> For another instance, through an employment contract, we willfully
> oblige ourselves to give "our" time to some one else, a time which
> was given to us for our use.
> 
> 
> 


So there is no problem if polygamy is banned because it will only "limit
things which are ""allowed"" to us " ?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Hasan ALi Effendi, Gallery of freedom fighters
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:33:12 GMT

	
		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		---------------------------
	
		Hasan Ali Effendi
		=================

	Hasan Ali Effendi was born in a small village of Hala district
in a poor family. By purely personal effort he educated himself and 
chose law as a profession. The difficulties he faced in his own
education created in him a fiery urge to found an institution of
higher education for the Muslims. In this mission he was helped by the
historian-jurist Justice Ameer Ali, on whose invitation he visited Calcutta
to observe the education system there. At last in 1885 he established
the Sindh Madrsatul Islam where the Quaid-e-Azam too was a student.
He also established the first Muslim girls' school of Sindh at
Marriot Road In Karachi.
	He died on August 20, 1896 in Hyderabad and was buried in his
own orchard. His efforts placed Sindh on the educational map of the 
subcontinent; he is called the "Sir Syed of Sindh."

P.S. From 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-90, by PIA.

Mansoor Ahmed Khan
Cleveland, Ohio.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: qazi@nevada.edu (USMAN QAZI)
Subject: Re: Asma Jehangir:Human Right Activist
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:33:04 GMT

In article <78023@ut-emx.uucp> charisma@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes:
>
>
>
>
>	It is a pity that there is no longer any Ghazi Alimudin(shaheed)
>in Pakistan to teach such people a lesson. 
>
>
 
This is totally ridiculous! I would love to teach _you_ a lesson if you
try to put your filthy ideas into practice.

>
>							Ali Chaudhary.

Usman
From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Cricket
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:48:00 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Mild warning
Summary: The height of khudi
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:09:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.052402.3142@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
> 
> >I agree with some SCPians have incredible tilt towards right.
> 
> these fascist pigs. 
> 
> >
> >I was brought with lot of open-mindedness. Islam was not a matter
> >of everyday discussion. As a result, all my brothers and sisters
> >have somewhat different attitudes to Islam and religion and we all
> >live peacefully together. A very heathly sign.
> >
> 
> naveed sahib,
> 
> whether you live peacefully with your brothers and sisters is not the
> proble. Whether you can live with GOD and accept his will and not your own.
> 
> sahibzada rafay khan[ are mullahs conservative]
> >regards,
> >
> >-Naveed
> 
> 

Rafay Bhai:

 I dont know about Gods, there are so many of them, I cannot
possibily satisfy all of them. I try to satisfy Allah[swt], 
Hindu Gods[swt], get angry with me. I try to please Jesus
christ[swt], crocodile spirit[swt] of australia is unhappy
with me. 

Maybe we should do what allma ibqal suggested;
raise ourself  to a point where allama Iqbal wanted
all of us to reach.

 When our Gods will ask us about our will (khudi).
 Then our will be same is as our God's will.

you see then the issue of what, which god[swt] is resolved.

I see god in every human being, all of us have power to change
ourselves and our sorrounding and bring happiness to others.
But most have no will to do that. There are few fortunate individuals
with the motivation and drive to go ahead. Lets see how many of
us can be that kind of persons.
 
Live in peace and let live in peace.

regards,

-Naveed

PS: Good luck with your cricket game.
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Dear deb
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:29:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York


I think the discussion regarding Das vs Gandhi moving towards wrong 
direction.  I have high respect for Mr. Das.  I don't think he
was a hypocrite. 

Let's postpone it to some other time. 

Arshad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Happy Independence Day!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:02:00 GMT

     		YOMAAY  AZAADI  MUBARAK!!


     To fellow countrymen... err  or should it be  countrypersons? ;)


     Asim Mughal
     [Standard Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: Asma Jhagir: Human Right Activist
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:40:54 GMT

>From: myadav@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Mahesh Yadav)
>
>Times of India Aug,5,1992
>The Times of India News Service
>NEW DELHI, Aug 4:
>
>	Women of Indian subcontinent suffer disrespect and indignity, 
>Ms  Asma Jhangir, secretary-general of the Human Rights Association of 
>Pakistan said here yesterday.

Ms Jhangir's contributions  in fighting for the  women and minorities' rights
in Pakistani Society are immeasurable.  She is already a permanent part of 
Pakistan's history in form of supreme court's ruling on 'ASMA JILANI CASE' 
which declared Gen. Yahya Khan's rule illegal( ironically, the decision was
announced after Yahya had been removed from his office).

She successfully defended herself when women belonging to Jamaat-e-Islami
led by Nisar Fatma accused her of being disrespectful to Holy Prophet( she
translated 'UMMI' as 'illiterate' in one of her speeches.)

>	Ms Jhangir said women the world over faced the difficulty of having to
>prove the offence of rape. But in Pakistan, if the police thought the woman had
>agreed to the sexual act, she became a co-accused , and so very few rape cases
>are reported.

That's true. 
	
>	The law is open to exploitation. But as it exists in the name of 
>religion, it cannot be changed, she said.

Asma Jhangir  is God's gift to my LAND.
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:41:49 GMT
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug20.193955.11586@cco.caltech.edu> asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
>In article <l97jhnINNp0t@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

>>A woman has every right in Islam to make the above feelings 
>>explicit before marrying. Or better still, there is no
>>one to stop them if they want to have that in writing in the
>>marriage contract.
>
>	True, one can put in  any arrangement one wants in the 
>marriage contract,
>but the clauses which violate the laws of Allah will not be binding. Just a 
>month or so ago, I had a liviely discussion with some friends on this subject.

The marriage is a legal "contract". A legal contractual obligation
in which one doesn't exceed Allah's limits, (one can always constrain
oneself further the limits) is binding. The clause limiting a man
to one wife is NOT a violation of Allah's law, it "is" only making
explicit of Allah's recommendation ("and you cannot do justice, so
take one").

Legal contracts can never exceed Allah's limit, but always "limit"
and "constrain" what Allah has permitted. For instance, if I contractually
oblige myself to pay Mr. X $100 each month from my earnings, I 
have "only" further constrained myself from what Allah has decreed
was lawfully mine, namely, my earnings.

>Specifically, the clause 'I will have the right to shoot my spouse if he 
>becomes interested in having another wife' will not be acceptable.

I took the above statement as a figure of speech exemplifying one's
disdain and not verbatim.

>
>Nor the clause, 'I will not marry another woman' be binding on 'him' as 
>the Creator has already given such a permission. 

Please confirm this. As I pointed out above, through contracts we
limit some things which are "allowed" to us. Restricting ourselves,
willfully, within a subset of some leave which is allowed "is", in fact,
 the essence of a contract.

For another instance, through an employment contract, we willfully
oblige ourselves to give "our" time to some one else, a time which
was given to us for our use.
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan has fired 687 police officers.
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:20:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.1992Aug19.212002.1460
Organization: University of Arkansas

asiddiqu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ali Siddiqui) writes:


>>zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR) writes:
>>       "Pakistan has fired 687 police officers in Sind province, citing their
>>       ties to criminals, the government said. The action followed a recent
>
>If the government ever cracks down on corrupt officials, Pakistan will
>need to have a new PM, infact we would end up getting rid of most of the NA.
>
>Well does not sound too bad :-).
>
>Ali.
>
just called home on tuesday 08-18-92, they were telling me its nothing
big or worth while, like an original cleanup of the corrupt offivcers
etc..

amer-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan