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From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Re: New User Needs Help
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 18:31:23 EDT

gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu (Gregory Donald Carson) writes:

> Hello CB'ers
> 
> 	I have recently bought a CB radio, my first.  I was wondering where
> I would go to get some good information on how to use it.  
> 	I admit that this is likely an FAQ, but I checked through the whole
> list of available messages and coulf not find the FAQ.
> 	Could someone help me, and send me the FAQ.  I would also appreciate
> any tips anyone would care to send my way.
> 
 
     Just hang tight.   FAQs are posted twice a month.   And in this 
newsgroup there are 4 parts to it.  It is a big one!   It'll cover a lot 
of useful things.
 

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From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: CB Problems....
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:47:12 GMT

lcj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Lutz C. Jacob) writes:
>Greetings....
>I recently bought a new car and wanted to install my CB in it.  I had the CB 
>in my other car with a radio snack magnetic mount antennae.  It always seemed
>to work well, and sound quality was good.  I now bought an antennae from 
>(Here it comes....)  JC Whitney.  It is a small antennae, with a loaded coil,
>and the cellular spiral looking thing in the middle as well.  It is about two 
>feet high.  I bought this antennae because I hate the looks of normal cb 
>antennae's.  Unfortunately, the transmission and receive capabilities are 
>atrocious.  I don't know anything about SWR meters and such.  Has anyone ever
>used an antennae like that?  It is constructed much like a cellular phone 
>antennae, even goes through the glass.  Since these seem to work really well 
>with cellular phones, I thought I would try it.... any ideas/suggestions?  
>e-mail or post here... thanks.....

OK, I haven't used such an antenna, but the physics of the situation pretty
much require what you see.  First, two feet is a very small fraction of a
wavelength at 27MHz, so it will not be an efficient radiator.  It will also
require a inductive reactance to match it to the 50+0j ohm transmitter, so
you will have a good deal of power loss there.  Lastly, the through-the-glass
capacitive coupling won't work all that well at 27MHz because the capacitance
is too small (unless the coupling plates occupy much of your window :-).  In
short, you're spending essentially all of your transmit power heating up your
car (essentially all of the receive power, too, but probably your car doesn't
get as hot from received signals :-).

This kind of antenna works fine for cellular phones because cellular phones
operate at ~800 MHz, where the wavelength is 3.75cm rather than 11m, and
where the admittance of the capacitor (inverse of impedance) is ~30 times
higher.
From: odonnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shawn Christopher O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Linear Amplifiers
Date: 10 Oct 1992 02:25:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:57:58 -0700
From: Shawn Christopher O'Donnell <odonnell>
Message-Id: <199210100157.AA01801@tsunami.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: Linear Amplifiers
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

I'm seriously thinking about building a linear amplifier. I have
a good design, one that won't interfere with planes or televisions,
its cheap, and it seems necessary to me. I'm not particularly interested
in "skip", although at some point I might be, but for now, I would
simply like it if people that I talk to locally don't constantly
criticize me for running a "baby unit" that "only" runs 4W. The
Los Angeles area, where I live, seems sufficiently noisy during the
day that 4W just is not enough. Furthermore, I haven't seen or met anyone
that ran the basic settup-- a 4W tranceiver. I am the only one.

Obviously I'm not posting this simply to announce that I will build a
linear for myself, I am writing because I want other opinions on
how to accomplish what I want without having to spend a weekend
buiding something that is illegal in the first place, and might not
even work in the second: some people have said that increasing 
the power from 4W to 60W will only make a small difference, if any
at all. What's that all about? Why doesn't more power on a given
settup translate into commensurately greater range on the same settup? 

I feel that, being the only one who runs 4W I am unfairly handicapped
by the rest of world. Proponents of NOT using a linear in the 9WATT
war zone that is Los Angeles, what would YOU do?         

Basically, I want to be heard clearly within a 30 mile radius under
bad conditions. I was planning to build a Linear with variable
output that would do from 4W on the low side to 150W on the high side.
I figure, that will be enough for my purposes, and if its too much, I can
always turn it down. On the other hand, I truly don't want to be
an irresponsible person and if there is a "right" way to do the same thing
that is somehow more sensitive to the insensitive people that surround me,
I would definitely like to know what it is.

Shawn O'Donnell
odonnell@ocf.berkeley.edu


 




From: rjs@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Bob Schneider)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:08:49 GMT
Subject: Dodge turbo IV timing belts
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.autos


	For anyone who has a Dodge with a Turbo IV engine, I've just
	discovered the life expectancy of the timing belt. The turbo IV
	is currently used in Dodge Spirit R/T's and in Dodge Daytona
	IROC's.

	My belt gave out at 35,500 miles. The dealer told me that they
	expected it to last at least 60K miles. I planned on replacing it
	at 40K miles. 

	Interestingly, I had been trying to monitor the belt. By removing
	the plate between the two valve covers, a 3" section of belt is
	exposed. I would check this for tension and feel the teeth every
	couple of weeks. Unfortunately, it appears that there was a spot
	on the belt that weakened near the edge and tore part of the way
	inward. at the time this happened, it jumped a couple of teeth on
	the crankshaft and quit running. Fortunately, the turbo IV does
	not have a valve-piston clearance problem.

Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 22:13:22 CDT
From: <U53519@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject:    Nissan Altima/Infiniti G20

I've been reading about the Nissan Altima with list price around $19,000
fully equipped (leather, ABS, etc.).  Wonder how it compares to Infiniti's
G20.  I paid $16,400 for my G20 with leather and ABS.  Anybody compared
the two back to back?

-- Ray
From: sly9y@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mustang mailing list address
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:36:03 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct12.001304.28354@athena.mit.edu>, formula@athena.mit.edu (Ronald R. Duff Jr.) writes:
> 
> 	Could someone E-mail me the E-mail address of the mustang mailing
> list?
> 	 Thanks in advance,
> 				Ron

I hate to do this, but me too.

Pete
sly9y@cc.usu.edu
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From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: EGR valve:  what is it?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:32:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: sail.12693
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

My mechanic suggests that my EGR valve on my '82 Chevy 6.2L
diesel truck may be bad.  It runs fine when cold, then starts
to loose power.  If I remove the air filter it runs better for
a while longer.  There seems to be a lot of smoke in the intake
(the center of the air filter) after I stop the engine.

What does the EGR do?  Is there a way to by-pass it or otherwise
test it?  I thought I'd just buy a new one and put it on but at
$152 for the part, I think I'd rather know for sure first.

Thanks in advance,

Charlie
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From: schottd@ucs.orst.edu (Derek Schott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.audio.car
Subject: oil consumption
Keywords: DSP radar detector
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:11:50 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University

A person I knows has a 91 Ford Ranger, V-6 with about 21,000
miles on it. He says that about every 4000 miles he changes the 
oil and that it is down about 1/2 to 3/4 of a quart of oil. Is 
this normal in this new of a vehicle. If so, why?

:wq

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Ticket for running stop sign
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:44:53 GMT


To avoid a ticket for running a stop sign, run OVER the stop sign, so
when the cop says "you ran that stop sign", you can say "What stop sign?".

	:-)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:37:34 GMT

In article <48361@shamash.cdc.com> mhoag@neon.cdc.com (mike hoag x2280) writes:
>
> Being the owner of both a 66' Stang(RWD for those who did not know)
> and a 92' Nissan Sentra(FWD)...Hands down the my Sentra out performs during
> inclimate weather such as rain or one our many snowstorms.

Unless you are running the same tires on both cars, this may not be an
even comparison.  My old '71 Newport with snow tires would bite through
*anything*, but my '70 Challenger with 235's can become difficult very
quickly on anything but dry pavement.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bill@iron.tandem.com (norcott_bill@tandem.com)
Subject: Re: Petro Jelly on terminals
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com  (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:27:15 GMT

In article <12127.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds)  writes:

<arguments for/against Vaseline on terminals delete...>

|> Really?  That's odd.. My mechanic did it (put the vasolene over the 
|> terminals) when he replaced the battery about a month ago..  I've had
|> no problems starting since then, and will inspect the battery for melted

What was probably actually applied to the terminals was silicone
dielectric grease.  This stuff also repels water (corrosion) but 
unlike Vaseline, it conducts electricity.  This is the same stuff
you use to grease distributor rotors & spark plug leads.  

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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: PC's vs. Mac's... was: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:21:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.26310
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

>Looks like you made the wrong decision based on some pretty vacuous
>assumptions.  Looks like you missed the point too.

I'm sorry you missed my point. It was a humorous flame, with little
based on fact, and employing common stereotypes. Geez!

>Obviously you assume that anyone who defends off road vehicles must zoom
>round any bumpy field they see bouncing around and bumping up and down.

Obviously nothing. I don't drive 4x4s, except when I was in the Great
White North (and I do mean white). This was merely a stereotype.

>Which was my point.  Many people buy hefty looking 4x4's to drive round town
>- they never engage the front wheels and still expect to go through 3 metre
>snow drifts.

Most people who buy 4x4s do it for status, and are otherwise total morons
(JMHO, of course)

>OK, on dry pavement an Audi Quattro is a pretty safe car to drive.  On wet
>pavement too, but you can still lull yourself into a sense of false security.
>You can lose it in _any_ car if you overstep the mark - the trick is to know
>what the limits are.

Merely common sense. BTW, AWD is safer in snow, too. :) Handles better,
and goes better, although stopping is relatively similar for all types.

>Which gets us back to FWD, RWD, AWD - an argument no one else seems to have
>a definitive answer for.  Obviously you have!  Tell us about it then.

Take a look at the Pike's Peak Climb (or what ever that was on another
thread.)

>The irony is you don't understand irony, or any other form of wit.

Oooo.....low blow. I guess I'll have to bend over, grunt, and writhe
in pain now....

>BTW. the car I drive is a RWD with live rear axle, 2 litre DOHC 16 Valve
>engine, no roof and falls in the <7.5 sec 0-100Kph bracket.

Irrelevant. But, since you want to compare, I drive an AWD, independent
suspension, 4-wheel disc brake 2L DOHC turbo car in the <6.9s 0-100kph
bracket. Top speed is reputed to be 147mph (~250 kph) with an engine
red-line at around 180 mph (if you're going down a hill, or have a 30
mph tail wind:).

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: sho limits
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:41:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.147520025
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

| In article <147520024@hplsla.hp.com> andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino) writes:
| >In RWD, when you let off the gas, it's the other way around. Let off the gas,
| >and the rear end slows down more than the front [...] understeer,
| 
| 	Why do 911's spin when you lift then?
| ----------

Mea culpa. I forgot to load my article with weasel words like "generally", 
"typically", "usually", et cetera, thereby leaving myself open to proof by
counter example by those citing a raft of unique and exotic vehicles. Like, I
also forgot that a Samurai will probably just roll over under these
circumstances.

But, I still contend that typical, everyday RWD cars will usually behave 
in general the way I said. Yer Crown Vic, fer instance...


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    % Andy Cassino                                       %
    % Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division %
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From: geoff@netcom.com (Geoffrey Leach)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Leaded gas and older engines
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:49:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Here in California, leaded gas is no longer available.
So what does one do if the car's engine is designed for leaded (i.e., 
the old "regular")?

Seems like there are three options:

	Use unleaded regular
	Use unleaded premium
	Add "Lead substitue" to unleaded.

Any opinions?  Any other options?
-- 
Geoffrey Leach		geoff@netcom.com
From: sparck@adobe.com (Debbie Sparck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Infiniti dealers in Bay Area
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:53:30 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

I recently bought a 1991 Infiniti G20 and there are a couple things I'd
like to have looked at by the dealer. There are only 2 dealers near me
so I'd like to know if anyone has anything good or bad to say about
either one. They are Frontier Infiniti in San Jose/Santa Clara or 
Shen Infiniti in Burlingame. I'm in Menlo Park, half way from both.
Any words on customer service from these folks?
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Pontiac Fiero problems?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:47:10 GMT

891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins) writes:

>  =======================================================================
>  |                 " Have You Driven A FORD Lately ! "                 |
>  |---------------------------------------------------------------------|
>  =======================================================================

NO...I've not...and NOR DO I PLAN TOO..
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Pontiac Fiero problems?
Keywords: Fiero, problems
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:55:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1aqs7sINNllp@bigboote.WPI.EDU> damong@hongkong.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile) writes:
>---When Bertone made a new proposal for Fiat, they came up with the X1/10.
>   Fiat sent it to Lancia and they produced it as the MonteCarlo, called
>   Scorpion here in the US. If you have ever seen a Scoprion (they were
>   only imported to the US in '76 and '77, and only 177 were imported in
>   '76.) If you have ever seen a Scorpion/MonteCarlo, you will notice an
>   incredible coincidence that it looks stunningly similar to the '92
>   Fiero....

The last year model of the Pontiac Fiero was 1989. 

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	   Ensoniq VFX-SD    Kramer Pacer guitar      '70 429CJ(needs a home)
Disclaimer: The only above mentioned toys I play with on the below mentioned
	    Friday nights are the musical ones 8*}
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From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ingnorant question...
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:41:46 GMT
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth

In article <1bgk57INNql2@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu  
(David S. Shy) writes:
> 
> I know that the following question doesn't have a place in this
> newsgroup... but, I know a lot of people out there have answers to  
this
> question since so many participated in the recent "Driving in Snow  
Flame 
> War".
> 
> Why is it that in places where it snows, that salt is spread over it?  
> I realize that it prevents the snow from forming, but how?
> 
> Just email the answers to me to prevent clogging the newsgroup w/ 
> irrelevant things....  
> 
> Thank in advance.
> 
> -most apologitically
>   David Shy
>   shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu
> 
	I suspect that David is not the only one who wonders about  
this.  Here's the answer, short and relevant.
	I'm no chemist, but I hail from northern Indiana and speak from  
experience.  We all know (I hope) that ice and snow will melt at 32  
degrees (F).  Salt has the effect of lowering the melting/freezing  
point so that ice and snow will melt (or not form) at tempratures below  
32 degrees.  I believe that salt is effective at melting ice down to  
about 18 degrees or so. 

Jim Cavanaugh
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ingnorant question...
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:10:20 GMT
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Originator: brad@buck


|> In article 1bgk57INNql2@agate.berkeley.edu, shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
|> >
|> >Why is it that in places where it snows, that salt is spread over it?  
|> >I realize that it prevents the snow from forming, but how?
|> >
Salt is white, so when the snowflakes see white stuff on the road, they 
are fooled into thinking there is snow already there, and don't form any 
more of it.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: venky@thelonious.bellcore.com (G A Venkatesh)
Subject: Tires (Goodyear vs. Goodrich vs. Dunlop)
Reply-To: venky@thelonious.bellcore.com (G A Venkatesh)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:32:09 GMT

A friend of mine has to decide between the following for his car

		Goodyear Eagle NCT	($130/tire)
		Dunlop D80 V4      	($120/tire)
		BF Goodrich Comp T/A VR4($110/tire)

All of them are 195/65VR15s and the prices are local discounted retails. 
Any useful info will be appreciated.

Thanks

venky
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Brakes--HELP!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:28:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: viewlogi.1992Oct15.202817.29073
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Originator: brad@buck


In article <1bk7v8INN2uo@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, wizard@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ajay Khanna) writes:
|> I'm a very depressed car owner.  Midas just told me they want 633.80 +
|> tax to fix my brakes.  Says me, "633 DOLLARS???"  Can anyone suggest a
|> more reasonable way to get brakes fixed?  I'm just out of college and
|> struggling to repay debts and really and truly cannot afford this.
|> I'm even willing to try to fix them myself.  The car is a Nissan
|> Sentra '81.  Apparently Midas wanted to fix front and rear brakes...
|> 
|> Any advice would be very much appeciated.  
|> 
Stay away from Midas! Why do you suppose they have that name, anyway?
You need to find a good, honest (yes, they exist) independent mechanic
who will not try to sell you new discs, calipers, drums, master cylinder,
etc.

It's possible that your brakes need a great deal of attention, but it
very much behooves you to shop around for a mechanic who does not measure
success by the number of new parts sold. 

Ciao
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: top ten sellers of '92
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:22:36 GMT

hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) writes:

>1992 auto sales (from LA Times)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>12.9 million total sales

>1) Honda Accord       387,881

>2) Ford Taurus        347,534
                       -------

This number is so high due to the fact that Ford sold ~ 1/2 of these, 
at discount prices, to rental places, government, and public/private 
companies as fleet cars. I've read this in some news mag. 2 weeks ago.
Of course, getting a new face lift for 93 has helped. I think the
total number sold last year was ~300,000 vs. ~400,000 Accords. Catching
up. The next car should've been the one in the 1st spot, IMO.

>3) Toyota Camry       277,792

>4) Ford Escort        244,231

>5) Chevrolet Lumina   219,120

>6) Honda Civic        217,832

>7) Ford Tempo         213,352

>8) Chevy Cavalier     212,675

>9) Toyota Corolla     206,560

>10) Pontiac Grand AM  198,596

>How dull.

Yeah, I'd say.


Issa