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Newsgroups: sci.med.physics
Subject: Re: Gymnastics and growing up
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:25:19 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <24AUG199211553802@sigma.tamu.edu> h2n5451@sigma.tamu.edu (NOBOA, HOMERO L.) writes:
>I'm the proud father of two children, Anita (Female) is 10 and Felipe 
>(male) is 7 almost 8. Both of them started gymnastics last year and 
>all of us (my wife, the children and myself) are quite happy with the 
>sport. I think is a colorful sport, that will give them strenght, 
>discipline and more (much more), but... 
>
>My sister (she is a doctor) commented that gymnasts are small (what is 
>true) and she says that the jumps and landings damages growth plates
>on the ends of the long bones, making gymnastic athetes small.
>
>Does anybody knows if my sister's assertion is true or is just that 
>tall athletes cannot do in the bussisnes for several good reasons and 
>they (the tall ones) just quit, and the short ones remain to success?
>
>Any commnet will be appreciated.
>

Take two similar [in the geometric sense] people.  Mr. Bigg is twice the size
of Mr. Small in every dimension.  So his muscles have four times the cross
section, but he weighs eight times as much.  He doesn't appear as agile.

In your mind's eye, watch a mouse and an elephant move.


However, Mr. Bigg gets twice the distance out of each motion, and in practice
Mr.  Bigg would not be geometrically similar to Mr. Small.  Still, size is a
disadvantage in gymnastics.


If jumps damaged your growth plates than kids who grow up on basketball would
grow up to be short basketball players.  Runners would have short legs but
normal-length arms. 



-dk
Newsgroups: sci.med.physics
From: yeager@sc2a.unige.ch
Subject: Neural Nets for Diabetes Management
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:29:02 GMT

I'm looking for information about the feasibility of using neural networks
in the management of chronic diseases.

I'm particularly interested in improving the treatment of diabetes. Over
the years there has been some clinical research into the use of software to
log information about the status of the patient (blood glucose levels) and
to make suggestions about insulin dose based on crude and incomplete
models.

These models cannot begin to handle all the variables that can affect the
management of the disease, for example: food composition, timing of
injection before eating, time of day, site of injection, exercise quantity
and time of day, body weight, etc. It seems to me that neural networks
would be ideal for using the wealth of data acquired in daily management
and making very good suggestions about optimal treatment (insulin dose,
amount of food, exercise duration, etc.). It would be unnecessary then for
assumption and validation of any models -- the neural network is trained
empirically for each individual with the goal of good control.

Any info about problems like this that have been or are being investigated
would be greatly appreciated. Please email to me and I will summarize.

--   -.-
Mark Yeager  ->  yeager@cgeuge52.bitnet     yeager@sc2a.unige.ch
 University of Geneva, Dept. of Biochemistry, CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Do Doctors Give a Damn? The Other Health Care Crisis
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:35:11 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1764@hsdndev.UUCP> rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:
>That is not to say that preventive care is not a good idea, but I'd
>like to see the evidence that it will lower costs.

If you include in "preventive care" screeing studies done on
assymptomatic individuals, you will probably find just the
opposite: that the costs are very high, and that it is sometimes
difficult to prove the value. 

I don't remember the exact numbers, but a few years ago I saw
a study on the economics of one of the simplest screening tests,
testing stool for occult blood. The test itself costs next to
nothing and has no risks. But by the time you added up the costs
of all the resulting barium enemas, upper GIs, colonoscopies, etc.
it came to something like several hundred thousands of dollars
to pick up one occult case of colon carcinoma this way. As physicians
and patients it is easy for us to say that this is "worth it"
(a few hundred thousand to potentially save a life) but when the
bean counters get done looking at it, they may come up with a 
different opinion.

The medical profession is only indirectly invovled in real
preventive care anyway. Real prevention lies in public health
issues (vaccination, sanitation, etc) and in individual
patient measures (diet, exercise, etc). Control of hypertension
is perhaps one of the few activities doctors do that really
qualifies for the term "preventive care".

 -km
From: Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: spina bifida information needed, please!
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:35:59 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/715 - Alternative Lifesty, Wyndmoor PA


 To: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
 
 KM> In article 
 KM> <1992Aug20.043005.22931@news.eng.convex.com> 
 KM> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:

>Do you perhaps have spina bifida confused with anencephaly?
 
<Stuff Deleted>
 
Not to step into a flame, here, but The phone number for the Spina Bifida 
Foundation is 1-800-621-3141.


 

--  
Internet: Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: the evils of the term "netside manner" (Was Re: Diabetic coma)
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:01:48 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug28.155445.4659@newshost.lanl.gov> gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:

>for one would miss the contributions you and others make (not to mention feeling
>guilty as hell for being one of the reamers that drove y'all away).

Well, you could probably never drive Gordon away! If I am driven away,
it will not be be one particular person, but simply a rethinking of
this whole idea. As I have mentioned before, I avoided sci.med for
several years for precisely some of these reasons - it is not a
matter of particularly persons or personalities, I assure you.

 -km
From: dcoder@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Please Tell Me About Highspeed Digital Camera
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:32:06 GMT
Reply-To: dave@nucleus.immunol.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington

In article <BtLLqn.G0F@world.std.com> bozo@world.std.com (Stephen P Blackstock)  
writes:
In article <1992Aug14.221309.4092@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com  
(The Polymath) writes:
}>In article <NK4V.92Aug11225334@poe.acc.virginia.edu> koshiya@virginia.edu  
}writes:
}>
}>}I heard recently that there exists highspeed digital camera which can
}>}capture 2k frame/s.  Is it true?  Please post any info on it.
}>}Info on articles would be appreciated, too.
}>

}Leaf Systems makes a digital camera back which attaches to a 
}Hasselblad camera body.  It transfers image data (in about 2 seconds) to

}[advertising deleted]

Now what about HIGH speed? (0.5 frames/second is a bit slower than 2,000  
frames/second)
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Ken's concerns about misuse of net info
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:36:11 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

I think an FAQ is fine.  I had one for a while (until a hard disk
crashed) on things like carpal tunnel because we get the same
questions about every week, and I just got sick of saying the
same thing over and over.

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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: How does Ritalin work?
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:08:05 GMT

My 8-year-old son has just started on Ritalin for Attention Deficit
Disorder, and it has made a miraculous difference in his ability to
focus on his classwork, pay attention, listen to and understand in-
structions, complete work, etc.   Before this, even staying seated
for the duration of a class period was too much for him.

I'm wondering now if anyone can explain to me, a layperson, how 
Ritalin works.  We're just beginning the process of dealing with ADD,
and I'm sure I'll be learning a lot more, but since they started the
drug first, I'd like to understand how something that is a stimulant
(giving a stimulant to a hyper-active child? no way!), that is not 
addictive, that is completely gone from the body in 4-5 hours can make 
such an incredible difference.

This drug is apparently so safe that they started him on it before we
started the diagnostic workup and told us to give it to him as needed
up to 3 times per day.  The prescription has to be handled differently
from other prescriptions (I have to call the doctor every time we need
to get a refill (not the pharmacy), and then go pick it up from the doctor
before taking it to the pharmacy; I was told the reason was because it
can be mis-used as an appetite-suppressant), but there was no attempt to
restrict our use of it "as needed".

Anyway, I'm curious about how it works.

Jan
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: help me find article on fluoxetine
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:48:45 GMT

tnfx1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

| I once read an story about people having side effects of yawns and orgasm
| from taking certain prescription drugs.  I found an index that had an article 
| about this, but our library doesn't have the journal.  I was wondering if 
| anyone could find this article at their library, would they please type it in 
| and either post or email me a copy.  

Don't be ridiculous.  There'll be typos!  The only thing that makes sense
is if you demand that one of the MD's who posts here run over to his
library and type it in for you.  Doctors are much better typists; I
thought everybody knew that!  Besides, if They make a typo you can sue
them for mal-typing.

| The article is:
| 
| Repeated observations of yawning, and orgasm associated with fluoxetine
| administration.  Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology; Feb. Vol 9(1)
| pages 63-65

I'm sure the year of the article is unimportant.  Good thing you omitted it.

| Thanks in advance...

Think nothing of it (as seems apparent).  We're just brimming over with
free time and free typing here on sci.med!

P.S.  If the article has any molecular pictures in it, be sure to make
the doc have Steve Dyer type those in.  While not a direct practitioner
of the Medical Arts, Steve is a famed practitioner of the Ascii Arts.

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 

"You can put lipstick on a hog, and call it 'Monique', but it's still a pig."

-- Ann Richards, the wildly popular, Harley Riding Governor of Texas
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: helping an old lady to walk again
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:14:43 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <BtHK2L.7n@unx.sas.com> yang@turmeric.unx.sas.com (Siew Yang) writes:
>
>Is there anything one can do to make an old 
>lady walk again??
>
It's a bit late to suggest this, but a rehabilitation
medicine specialist is the one to see.
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Empirical study  (was: Chinese Herb for Malaria)
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:08:22 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Putting focus on the interesting issues ...

-*----
In article <1992Aug28.134352.4312@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>> Another good example of an herbal remedy being empirically tested,
>> and (perhaps) becoming part of the armamentarium of the "scientific
>> establishment."  Despite the enthusiasm with which news of this kind
>> might be greeted on fidonet, this does not mean that all 2000 year old
>> chinese herbal remedies are effective :)

In article <1992Aug31.220537.7886@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
> Thanks for the warning. Surely you're not suggesting that this herbal 
> remedy wasn't empirically tested until RHONE-POULENCE RORER came along.
> Or do you mean that chinese herbal remedies aren`t effective unless they
> have been blessed by the "scientific establishment? ...

I, for one, hope no one would suggest either of these.  I have
not seen such claims made here, though this may be yet another
area where Robert Greenstein and I read posts differently.
Regarding these claims, two things should be obvious.  (1) A
remedy can be effective whether anyone knows it or not.  (2)
Virtually all medical traditions, from the primitive shaman,
through the ancient Greeks, Indians, and Chinese, to modern
science, practice *some* kind of empirical testing. 

What the last claim should not obscure is the fact that science
has made large advances over pre-scientific traditions in
recognizing the importance of, devising better methods for, and
understanding the subtleties of empirical testing.  Because of
this, we are able to look at the treatments offered by these
older traditions and determine (better than the physicians in
these traditions, regardless of the millenia behind them) *which*
of the treatments are effective, and which are not.  Moreover, we
can compare these treatments to those from other traditions, to
determine relative efficacy and safety.  And finally, we are
better able to develop an understanding of *why* some of these
treatments are effective.  

> Chinese medicine can stand on its own, ...

Every medical tradition can stand on its *own*.  If I suffered
severe, chronic headaches, I might let a shaman dig into my skull
with a rock, were that the only choice before me.  The
interesting issue is one of *relative* merits.  We are still
waiting for you to provide us an example (one) where Chinese
medicine provides a better *understanding* of some disease,
treatment, or phenomenon than does modern medicine.  

Russell
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Health Care Costs
Keywords: costs
  
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:38:26 GMT

  It would seem logical that all parties could be satisfied if cost
caps could be set for malpractice.
As caps go on incentives go down.
Clearly healthcare costs could also be decreased by limiting the 
number and conditions under which third party payments can be made.
If the physician and the insured think the check book is open
and the account full,what can you expect.
Many consumers think if insurance pays the benefit is free!
Thats BAD and a wasteful misconception that yearly costs billions.
--
                     Gary E. Davis WQ1F (On AO13)
        University of Vermont  Land Liner's dial 802-656-1916
 References " The Joys of Rumination Without The Cud", Elsie circa 1965
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: sasjcs@canoe.unx.sas.com (Joan Stout)
Subject: Re: Do "deodorant rocks" contain aluminum?
Originator: sasjcs@canoe.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:40:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <16476@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson) writes:
|> My apologies if this is not the appropriate newsgroup for this
|> question.
|> 
|> My sister has seen advertisements for some sort of rock which
|> is supposed to replace deodorant or anti-perspirant.  Apparently
|> one moistens the rock and applies it to the underarms (armpits
|> if one is male!).
|> 
|> She would like to get away from aluminum-containing anti-perspirants,
|> but does not know if the effective ingredient of this rock is
|> aluminum.
|> 
|> Has anyone ever heard of this?  Thanks in advance for your answers.
|> 
|> -- Jan Peerson

My SO is allergic to most deodorants, and he uses one of those rocks.
It works very well for him. However, I don't know what the ingredients
are or how it works. I plan to try one when my current supply of the 
other stuff runs out. 8-)

Joan
From: mdf0@GTE.com (Mark Feblowitz)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Help : Dark circles around eyes
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:49:18 GMT
	<1992Aug27.091110.28898@newstand.syr.edu>
Reply-To: mfeblowitz@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories Inc.
In-reply-to: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu's message of 27 Aug 92 13:11:10 GMT

In my family, they are seasonal and we refer to them as "allergic
shiners." We have a strong family history of asthma and allergies. I
don't know what the physiological mechanism is - whether it's
allergies interfering with sleep, or with some kind of low-level
oxygen deprivation, or what. What I do know is that the shiners
accompany other allergy and asthma symptoms, such as rhinitis, low
peak flow, etc.

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Mark Feblowitz,   GTE Laboratories Inc., 40 Sylvan Rd.  Waltham, MA 02254
mfeblowitz@GTE.com, (617) 466-2947, fax: (617) 890-9320
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Thermography
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:00:19 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep2.005751.27782@tvnews.tv.tek.com> adolfo@soul.tv.tek.com (Adolfo Rodriguez) writes:
>Some time ago I read about the use of thermography and thermovision in the
>field of medicine.  Does anyone out there know if thermography or thermovision
>is still used in medicine?
>

It still is used as a research tool for such disorders as migraine
and autonomic disorders.

Unfortunately, it is also used extensively by quacks as a revenue
enhancing device and is used often as a ploy to find an objective
test abnormality in court cases when no more reliable
test shows anything.  Since thermography isn't well standardized,
there are often differences that can be interpreted just about however
you want, at least in a lot of cases.  Most insurance will not pay
for thermography, and most courts won't admit it into evidence.

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From: cathye@cs.uq.oz.au (Cathy Ewald)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: anti-nausea treatment
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:45:41 GMT
Reply-To: cathye@cs.uq.oz.au


Keywords: Reglan, anti-emetic
Do the other antiemetics mentioned (prochlorperazine, chlorpromazine,
haloperidol, droperidol) have more side effects than Reglan? 
Are they widely used (or only for cancer (chemotherapy patients)) ? 
What are the side effects ? Are they usually effective ? 
I would also be interested in knowing more about the following
anti-nausea tablet. Meclozine hydrochloride (sold as Sea Legs 
for travel sickness prevention in the U.K ) (each tablet 12.5 mg). 
What are its possible side effects ? Is it used generally for nausea, or is
it only effective for travel sickness ? 
Cathy Ewald (cathye@cs.uq.oz.au)
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: hole in colon
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:07:12 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <1992Aug26.153535.4686@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (DUBIN MARK W) writes:
>
>A friend of mine recently had surgery for what the doctor thought would be 
>appendicitis.  Instead, during the surgery it was discovered that he had
>"a hole in his colon."  This was fixed by removal of a number of inches
>of colon.  He is 52.  Is it known what causes this problem to "just
>happen?"  Are there any long-term potential problems that he should now
>be on the lookout for?
>
In a 52 year old who has a spontaneous perforation of the right colon
(I'll take a guess and say it was the cecum, since this is indistinguishable
from acute appendicitis), I'd be most concerned with the possibility of
a malignancy. I'm sure the surgical specimen was carefully examined, and 
if cancer was found the surgeon would explain the implications to your
friend.

There are no important long-term sequelae after a partial colectomy 
(besides the usual list of awful things that can happen to anyone who
gets his/her belly opened).

------------------
Howard Doyle
From: chiou@claude.ma30.bull.com (Bensen Chiou)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Safety of Gas cooking
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:22:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Originator: chiou@claude.ma30.bull.com

Hi,

I am hoping to get some suggestions regarding the safety,
odor or anything in using the gas for cooking and burning
the heater in house.

One of my friend mentions that gas may explode or leak.
What's your opinion?

Thank in advance.

Bensen Chiou.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (DUBIN MARK W)
Subject: hole in colon
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:35:35 GMT


A friend of mine recently had surgery for what the doctor thought would be 
appendicitis.  Instead, during the surgery it was discovered that he had
"a hole in his colon."  This was fixed by removal of a number of inches
of colon.  He is 52.  Is it known what causes this problem to "just
happen?"  Are there any long-term potential problems that he should now
be on the lookout for?

Thanks,

Mark Dubin
University of Colorado-Boulder
dubin@spot.colorado.edu
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Reaction to MMR Vaccine
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:27:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL


My friend took her son for his pre-fifth grade physical,
which included an MMR booster.

While she was paying the bill, the boy suddenly turned
white and felt dizzy and nauseous.

The nurse has him lie down awhile, and after a while
he was released, where he went home and took an out-of-character
2-hour nap.  The next day, he ran a mild fever.  He is fine now.

My friend is puzzled because these reactions are not listed
in the MMR booklet she was given, and she's never heard of 
anyone having reactions like that to MMR, especially at
older ages.  

The really wierd thing is that the  nurse mentioned that
the boy's reaction was "the third time that has happened
here this morning"


So does anyone have insights as to whether this is a normal
reaction or if there could have been something wrong with 
the vaccine (like bad serum), or even if possibly the wrong
vaccine was administered?

This happened in a family practice in the Naperville, IL area.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Drunken bicycling; was: Re: wisdom teeth removal
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:48:22 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <oneil.715492965@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>Actually, in Lincoln, NE if you are caught riding a bicycle (yes, bicycle, 
>*not* just a car or motorcycle) you can be arrested for dwi.

The same is true in most places, and also applies to pedestrians in traffic.



-- 
+ Michael Covington - Artificial Intelligence Programs - U of Georgia - USA 
+ Unless otherwise noted, these are private opinions, not official statements.
+ VOTE NO GEORGIA LOTTERY - we need not imitate mistakes of other states.