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From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The New Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:18:46 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct5.163040.24210@news.columbia.edu> ta-vg11@muddnext8.cc.columbia.edu (Vikas Gupta) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.074207.6240@reed.edu> vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)  
>writes:
>> >
>> >What??  FYI, IIT Kanpur (Undergraduate program) is ranked 7th in the  
>world.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> 	So according to you IIT kanpur's undergraduate program
>> is at par with Harvard, MIT, Yale, Cornell, Columbia, Darthmouth,
>> Caltech, Oxford, Cambridge etc. Would you like to provide some
>> reference to this claim, or is this another one of those "we-are-
>> from-iit-so-whatever-we-say-must-be-right" claims
>> 
>> regards
>> 
>> The Phoenix
>> 
>> >-Shubu
>
>
>FYI  I am a TA for an undergraduate course in Columbia.From the lab  
>facilities given to the undergraduates I can tell you that even most of  
>the private colleges and Govt.engg. colleges get a much better education  
>and facilities and they are much more clearer about their subject than  
>most Columbia Undergraduates.
>
>
>VIKAS.

First of all I am not sure what private colleges and Govt.engg. colleges Vikas is refering to. I can say once again that the education I have recieved so far for my B.S. at CSUS and at Arizona is much better than any IIT.
The practical training and the equipment is vastly superior. Where in India would you be able to work with Intel beta test versions of their products, Workstations, Vax clusters, IBM PCs, Macs, IBM minis, have CAD VLSI design software, Digital and Analog circuit design tools, 24hr lab access, get the newest products from the market to work with (Xilinx 4000 series FPGAs)?
	(In an Undergraduate program)
	If you would get all these facilities in an Indian Undergraduate program, please tell me. I would like to transfer there to finish my education, if transferring is not possible then go for my Ms. there. Of course the M.S. program must have twice as many facilities and resources available as compared to the undergraduate program.
	IIT be loved.

Thanks

Abhinav Lal



 
































Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shobha@indetech.com ()
Subject: Re: VISA problem for spouse ....
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:11:47 GMT

Hi netters,

Thanks to all of you who replied with your suggestions. My husband's VISA
problem is now settled .... He did not get it the second time as well ..:-(

The least I can do to reciprocate, is to share my experience. The consulate 
simply refused to see any of the papers that he carried, saying that I have
taken an extension on my B1 and that he was professionally qualified enough
to settle here. That was the bottomline. I was told that sometimes consulate
stops issuing B1/B2 VISAs during presidential election times...I don't know
whether that was a factor. Four people were consecutively refused business
VISAs before my husband...

Thanks again,
Your suggestions will surely be valuable for the future...I am sure...,
Shobha.
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From: jw3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. White)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: The Eye 1 and 2
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:35:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8en50EC00YV7Q1YsUz
Organization: Hunt Institute for Botanical Documentatn, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Contents of The Eye 1(1) Jan-Feb 1992:

Kutiyattam, Safine Uberoi
Not just a story... What a Chuck... Yaar! Rukmini Sekhar
Kutiyattam and noh, Sudha Gopalakrishnan
Why Sanskrit and what happened to it? Sushila Ambike
Some highlights of Sanskrit drama, S. S. Janaki
The myth and how I blew it for myself, Bhartendu Pande
Panchatantra
Singer of eternal values, Aruna Sitesh
Poetry
Hope and conservation, Satis Chandran Nair
Boost to environment, Kumud Kumar Das and Chandana Chakravorty
Jan Vikas Andolan, Smitu Kothari
Myth of progress and development, Malclom Baldwin
God does not play dice with the universe or does he? Prof A. M. Dighe
India seen afar, Kathleen Raine
The challenges of freedom, C. B. Muthamma
The letter speaks: Tamil script

The Eye 1(2) Mar-Apr 1992:

Chasing the dragon, C. B. Muthamma
Consuming the future, Vandana Shiva
Malcolm's column, Malcolm Baldwin
Behind the vaudville in advertising, Suroop Gopalakrishnan
Buddhist economics, E. F. Schumacher
Excellence through simplicity, M. B. Athreya
Needed a policy prescription, Nalin Johri
This is my cow sir! Amrita Pritam
Poetry
Why become an activist? Ashish Kothari
Report, Rajiv Singh
The Gandhian pill, N. Radhakrishnan
Nagaland - bite the bait or reinforce tradition, Vibha Joshi
Rani Ni Vav, Rukmini Sekhar
Balasaraswati my inspiration, Ranjini Balashankar
Indian music and jazz, Manoj Pant
Complimentarity of Gandhi and Nehru, Jayashree Kurup Menon

Since so many have inquired, the subscription details cited in The Eye
are as follows:
Single copy Rs. 9, annual subscription Rs. 50, libraries & institutions
Rs. 125, donor subscription Rs. 2000, life subscription Rs 500.  Foreign
rates:  Individual annual subscriptions US $20/15 pounds; institutional
subscriptions US $25/20 pounds.  Please add the additional sum of Rs. 5/
if you send an outstation cheque as encashment charges.  Payment can be
made by cheques and drafts in favour of SPIC-MACAY Publications.  Send
to:  143, Golk Links, New Delhi -- 110 003, tel. 611023.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: barakam@infonode.ingr.com (Sreedhar Barakam)
Subject: Time to  Wakeup and Smell the Coffee: Re: Indian Cultural Shock... 
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:55:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.213645.9078@news.clarkson.edu> rajat@sunny1.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor) writes:
>Ist Shock : Not every body knew Hindi
>2nd Shock : The language they knew, and conversed in, was
>3 rd Shock : " South India = Madras" concept not applicable
>4th Shock : Existence of North-South complex amongst some SI's
>5th Shock : Telegu + Mallu + Kannadiga VS Tamils !
>
It is unbelievable that somebody has come to US for the first time
and the culture shock was not from, Western culture, but from Indian.
Well, I think probably Doordarshan has to develop some educating
programs that are suitable for both Partially educated/illiterate.
It might be benefitial to some, who otherwise will be subjected to
so many unhealthy shocks.

Sreedhar Barakam.
From: g9221069@cc.uow.edu.au (manik gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ****2ND OCTOBER:::::GANDHI JAYANTI****
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:46:44 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>Can anyone complete following song?
>>
>>Suno suno ae duniya valo bapu ki yeh amar kahani.
>>voh bapu jo itna pujaya hai jitana ganga man ka pani.
>>
>>I think it is written by Rajender Kishan and sung by Rafi in 1948.
>>
>>Bye
>>Adil
>I hope you are not serious . It is by Narsi Mehta, is'nt it? Is this a filmi ve
>rsion I have'nt heard about? Anyway it is a lovely lyric!

>rajagopalan........speak your mind but take care it is'nt trash!


Rajendra Kishan wrote *Suno Suno Ae Dunia valo* after the death of
Gandhi. 

Enjoy

Manik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Islam and Science (was Re: Islam & Rushdie -- Icarus.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.185756.4231@cs.yale.edu>, ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Sep28.153957.8109@news.nd.edu>, milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph) writes:
>.....
>..... This fuss of Quran being consistent with... deleted


	A simple innocent Question!
	As I understand from the current status of BigBang 
        there are few (may be a lot) questions unresolved. To mention one
	let us take the problem of dark matter. Many scietists have
	given some explainations for this and not all of these agree
	and we have little evidence to support/reject one of these,
	I assume you are aware of it. Would you please tell me  
        which one of these is consistent with Quran?.
	(your answer may save thousands of physists sleepless nights)



Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:51:54 EDT
 <SHUBU.92Oct4000452@green.cs.wisc.edu> <23338@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <23338@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, lal@cs.arizona.edu (The New Sun)
 writes:
> 
>>> [Some lines of text deleted form this article]
> 

> 	I think all this talk about IIT vs. them is crap!!


> 	I believe that the it is self deprecitaing for IIT graduates to
 attribute their success in future endavours due to their prior education in
 IIT. This may very well be an important factor, but the reason for their 
success is probably the fact that they are bright and hardworking
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ( the same qualities that let them get into IIT).
> 	The reason people succeed is not because they went to Stanford or
 M.I.T. or IIT but because of who they are
a               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Abhinav Lal

Well, this argument could be applied to any educational institution in he
world. Lal is missing the whole point- is'nt the opportunity to work in
atmosphere where everyone is as good as you important for achievement- at leat
at UG level? Which American University can offer a peer group like a class at 
IIT? 

Secondly, most people are not willing to admit to a fact that lal has- 
that IITians constitute a group of extremely bright people specially chosen 
among thousans of their age group throughout the country. No, The claim is not
that non-IITians are dumb but that most IITians are not.

BTW, all this crap about IIT achievers. Has everyone forgotten Karmarkar
already? ( I beleive he was on the front page of NYT in '85 (?) )

I think most people on SCI should take Intro logic .

>IIts be loved
 (and IITians be hated! )
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee)
Subject: Looking for Neelika & Abhijit
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:07:07 GMT


Neelika/Abhijit,

If you are reading me, then respond to this address - shubu@cs.wisc.edu.
I have a mail for you from Aruna.

-Shubhendu

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P.S.: If you know them, please forward the message accordingly.  
      
      Abhijit recently got married to Neelika in Calcutta.  Neelika 
      graduated from IIT Kanpur this year.  Abhijit most probably works in 
      AT&T Bell Labs.
            
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From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.history
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:13:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Sep29.191755.1559@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
>I don't think anyone in the third world is claiming that "all cultural
>traditions are equally valuable".  

Ditto.  The idea of "cultural relativism" is peculiar to the West.  I
can't think of any non-Western culture which advocates this idea.
Incidentally, it's important to remember how "cultural relativism"
usually comes about.  Generally what happens is that two groups start
arguing that their culture is superior, and after a long, heated, and
often violent debate, everyone who survives is bored of the whole
thing and agrees to disagree.

For an example for this process, take the Thirty Years War.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Boring discussion!!!
Date: 3 Oct 1992 00:52:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


does anyone have an idea as to what the other discussion on this group
is about?..... something about culture and western civilisation and so
on.  could someone try to stop this thread?


suresh

ps: no offense intended, just kidding


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: scheruvu@cs.ulowell.edu (James Bond)
Subject: Need info about F-1 practical training
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:10:59 GMT

I have applied for pre-completion practical training at the beginning of 
sept'92. I was told by our Int'l Student's Advisor that the students cannot give
the applications by hand to INS(apparently the rules changed on that day) and 
that only the school can forward them. She mentioned that INS will take about 
30-45 days to process my application and get back to me. A couple of days ago, I
was told by an INS officer(in Boston) that it may take upto 90 days for the INS 
to get back to me. I was wondering if anyone applied for practical or 
pre-completion practical in this month and got anywhere. I would appreciate
if they would share the information with me. My e-mail address is 
scheruvu@cs.ulowell.edu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta)
Subject: Re: Tagore Conference at U of I - Urbana - long
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:14:31 GMT


 ikallick@ncsa.uiuc.edu writes in article 42850

 >Rathindranath returned to Urbana in the fall of 1912.  Accompanying him 
 >was his father Rabindranath.  They were enthusiastically welcomed by their 
 >friends, and they responded with affection and gratitude.  The mutual 
 >understanding between the Tagores and the Unitarians can be traced in part 
 >to historical links between the Unitarians and the Brahmo Samaj.  The 
 >Brahmo Samaj was a Hindu-inspired reform movement that was also influenced 
		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >by rationalist Unitarian thought. It was started by Dwarkanath Tagore, the 
 >poet's father.                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^ 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	It was shocking to see two glaring misrepresentation of facts in the
 portion quoted above. First, the Brahmo Samaj was never started by Dwarkanath
 Tagore. He was in fact a friend of Raja Ram Mohan Roy, often referred to as
 the Father of Modern India, who first propounded the Brahmo line of religious
 thought.
	Second, Dwarkanath Tagore (1792-1843) was not Rabindranath Tagore's 
 father, he was the poet's grandfather. The poet's father was Debendranath 
 Tagore (1817-1905).

	We would be interested to read the sender's comments on this.
 I would also request him/her to explain in broad terms what exactly is meant 
 by the term "Hindu-inspired".

	Thanks,
		Abhijit Datta
From: wling@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Lookng for a place in Detroit, Michigan
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:19:11 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hi there,
	I am looking for a place to stay in the Detroit, Michigan area. So if
there is anoybody out there that needs a roomate or knows of anybody that is
seeking a roomate, please reply to me at

	wling@oread.cc.ukans.edu

Thanks in advance.

p/s: I am a very quiet graduate student 
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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME BABY JOKES
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:40:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


>>  Sick post
>>  -Dikkala

>
>Sick flame


no i will it was a sick flamer!


suresh


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Islam and Science 
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:07:33 GMT


In article <BvErqG.CFs@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.192413.18364@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> >
> >You're all totally missing the point.  The Qur'an is a complete book
> >of guidelines.  It is not a book of relativity or a book on
> >NP-completeness, or a book of astronomy.  But it does explain things
> >about the creation of the universe in terms that everyone can
> >understand.  God is telling us how he did it in terms that we can all
> >understand -- what's the point of explaining it only to Carl Sagan?
> >
> >Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was illiterate.  The vast majority of people
> >don't know much about astrophysics.  That's why the message was put in
> >simpler language.  At the time it was revealed, all the astronomical
> >terms we have now didn't even exist!
> 
> Your above argument strongly supports the case for another revelation
> from The God. This one should be specified using all the terms that we
> now have for describing all the astronomical and many other domains
> and concepts. 

Great, so now you're telling God what he needs to do.  The Qur'an
explicitly mentions that it is the *last* message from God.

> A document designed specifically for a period in which the modern 
> technical terms didn't exist is a very time-spacific document. Now
> the level of complexity which the human mind and the available tools can
> comprehend has gone up, the God should provide us the more specific
> revelation. 

It would be time-specific if something it said could be proven wrong.
Truths are still truths, and hence there is no need for another
revelation.

-- Shakil
From: news@inews.Intel.COM (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Creation of FAQ - Travelling in India.
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:41:14 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

Hi
From: kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar)
I would like to compile a statewise travel-FAQ for India. This can be
used for three main reasons -
1. If we can make a comprhensive FAQ which will include likely 10 day tours
   with costing and other information. updated every 3 months or so then we
   can post this FAQ info to major soc.culture newsgroups. This will atleast
   encourage some people to think of visiting India as a tourist place. I do
   not have any statistics about "Tourism" as a industry, but it can become a
   very good $ earner for us. I know very well that FAQ is not sufficient for
   many people to think about visiting India. But I would like all of us to
   adopt a CAN_DO attitude. There are always tons of reason for saying "that
   will not work because ....". please let us not do that again. let us give it 
   an honest try ... I believe that there are umpteen number of ways to bring
   up our nation, some of us would earn valuable foreign exchange, some of us
   go back and join premier schools, reserach institutes. I guess the most 
   important ingrediant is "Optimism", if we do not have hope in our own
   country, then how do we expect others to have hope in us ? I am fully aware
   that we have been plagued by several problems such as grass root corruption
   povery, slums, unemployement, population ... but let us not get bogged down
   by all those. Let us try and make a small begining ... 
2. This is something in which all of us can help constructively rather than
   getting involved in various fights such as IIT v/s non IIT, religion,     
   language etc .... rather than we could all use our skills to create such a
   beautiful and compelling FAQ that anyone reading it ... will think ..."Yes!
   this is the place to visit .. next time I have vacation." , We would also 
   like to mentions problems, pitfalls in the FAQ .. the crowd, weather etc
   so that we are not creating false impressions about India and various states
   but let us also not be overly pessimistic ..."Bombay is a shit place .. there
   is so much crowd .. and so on". 
3. such a FAQ will also be very useful when we ourselves go to India. Agreed 
   that there many books available on trvaelling to India, but all os us 
   always like to get first-hand information from each other before we travel.
   and we would always like to have recent information on the travel - info
   such as new trains, services, tourist places.
Please feel to communicate your ideas , to me directly, we could plan the FAQ
like a proper project with following steps, and complete version 1.0 by
Jan 93. tentative plan could be
1. Decide on layout of FAQ - 2 calendar weeks.
2. Get the information     - 6 weeks.
3. sort/collate it         - 2 weeks.
4. write FAQ v 1.0         - 2 weeks.

since I am not a writer ,or even a professional documentation expert, I will 
also need help of someone who has really good english to give proper finishing
touched to the FAQ.

Please let me know your views.

Regards,

Aniruddha Kortikar (kortikar@mipos2.intel.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian