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From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Chasing (the) kangaroos
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:13:01 GMT
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moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering) writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> 
> Ever notice how there seems to be this continual passing of themes 
> back and forth between The Choir and Adam Again? ;-)

no, but then again i don't listen to Adam Again. i can readily
believe they'd do such a thing, especially seeing the amount
self-referential stuff just in the Choir's albums.

"Nevermind the sky" (Sad Face) v. "Nevermind the ground" (WEW) v.
	"Nevermind the stars" (Chase)
"Tie your shoelaces..." (Happy Fool) v. "Tie your shoelaces" (Car, etc.)
"Render love..." (Render Love) v. "Render love..." (Rifleman)
"Children of time no more" (Circle Slide) v. (Children of Time)
"Just let the wind blow through your spirit" (Circle Slide) v.
	"Let the wind blow through your spirit" (Spin You Around)
"One sister saw me go under the knife / I'm glad it was a dream"
	(blue skies) v. "A doctor walked into the room / and cut me
	clean in two ... It was a dream" (Robin Had a Dream)
"Consider now the crimson crown" (Circle Slide) v. (Consider)

> And this just in, in related CTK news:
> 
> 	The Rifleman, dead at 71.
> 
> "when I revel in peace or glory in war, I always wanted a shirt 
> like Mark wore"
>                The Rifleman / The Choir / Chase The Kangaroo

wait, there really -was- a rifleman? who? there's so much background
about the Choir that i don't even know... (i wish they'd keep putting
little comments on the lyric sheet like they did on Kangaroo.)

jason

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From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Steven Curtis Chapman, Irvine
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:32:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs

Hello...
		I was wondering if anyone would like share their concert information
about the Steven  Curtis Chapman Concert in Irvine.  I heard that he
already performed there.  How long was the concert, etc..

Thanks...

Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
From: burtp@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:42:50 GMT

In article <d!n19+j@rpi.edu> burtp@rs6418.ecs.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.082211.3796@wkuvx1.bitnet> easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>What exactly is 'industrial' music?
>> 
>harsh
>
>electronic
>
>dark
>
>(most of it anyway)
>
>
>techno is:
>
>
>rave is:
>

oops!  I forgot one


hypercore is:

	(??????????????????????????????????)

later
phil
From: x551_005@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: HELP with worship songs
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:27:03 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <73363@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gg21@prism.gatech.EDU (Gayle G. Casey) writes:
> Hello everyone!!
> 
> With all of the talk lately about praise and worship, I thought I
> would ask a question...
> 
> I'm a staff singer at a Methodist Church in Atlanta.  One of my 
> responsibilities is to sing solos of my own choosing once in a 
> while.  The problem is that all of the great music like Amy
> Grant is too low for me to sing.  I know I could transpose it
> up, but I'm not too swift with transposition and I don't have
> enough time to program it into my computer for it to do the
> work.  I know Sandi Patti has a high voice, are there any other
> similar singers that don't sing in the basement??
> 
> Any replies would be appreciated!!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gayle
> 
> -- 
> Gayle G. Casey 
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
> uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gg21
> Internet: gg21@prism.gatech.edu
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From: JLow@hcisun.mdc.com (Jerry Low)
Subject: Re: Praise and Worship Song Leading
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 21:27:08 GMT
Organization: MDSSC
Followup-To: rec.music.christian

In article <1992Nov4.071129.29005@iti.gov.sg>, jameslow@iti.gov.sg (James
Low (RC)) wrote:
> 
> I have been assigned to train up a group of musicians and worship leaders in
> a very, very short period of time.  The reasons being that my Church's one
> service will be split into two parallel services due to the renovation of
> the big hall for a few months.
> 
> Musicians is ok.  But how do people become worship leaders?  Do they started
> out as singers? as musicians? received a calling from God? etc.
> 
> What are your experiences?  Have you train any?
> 
> I become a worship leader when my pastorial group leader realised that I can
> sing.  So, he got me to back him up when he leaded.  Then, one day he put
> me in front of everybody and tell me, "Now, you lead."
> 
> I think a basic criteria is that the person must be a worshipper.  What do
> you think?
> -- 
>                              James Low Teck Koon
>         Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore
>                Email: jameslow@iti.gov.sg jameslow@itivax.bitnet
>                      Phone: (65) 7720438 Fax: (65) 7795966

Here's a list of attributes of a successful Worship Leader (from Marantha
Music seminar "The Worship Leader Workshop")

Internal Character- A heart for God/A seeker/Called/Humility/the fear of
God/Love of God's Word/A Visionary/Dreamer

People Skills - A team player/understands authority/loves
people/facilitator of talent/discerning/empathetic/influences
others/motivating and inspiring/a good role model/good with audiences/not
afraid of the spotlight

Artistic and administrative gifts - Gifted in the arts/loves to
perform/concern for quality or excellence/understands process/able to plan,
organize and execute/a good delegator.

I know that sounds like alot, and most of the time we have to make do with
what we have, but someone should have alot of these characteristics, in
particular the ones under "Internal Character".  Notice under artistic
skills, it doesn't say anything about "this level of musical expertise or
plays that instrument".  While these are important, I think a person's
heart is the primary important attribute.  And if someone isn't available
with these attributes, then perhaps you should pray that God would provide
someone, either within your group or someone new?  Be open to how God would
work...

Hope this helps, 
Jerry
From: bourland@roentgen.radonc (Dan Bourland)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: drums and worship
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:51:06 GMT
Reply-To: bourland@roentgen.radonc
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 1ds2knINNbkc@agate.berkeley.edu, tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas Jer Chen) writes:

>   I am a relatively new drummer for our church and would like to generate
>discussion about the use of drums in worship.  Although drums and cymbals
>have been mentioned in the OT in conjunction with praise, it seems to me
>like some churches feel like drums are more distracting than other more
>conventional "worship" instruments (e.g. guitar and keyboards)  Specifically,
>what are some steps that I can take to minimize distracting effects and
>maximize the additive effects of drums?  
>

I am a drummer and in my old church I was the first to play drums every
now and then on a few select songs.  I played quietly, even tentatively,
and erred on the side of under-playing, instead of over-playing.  There
is no doubt, at normal volume levels of guitar, bass and piano
accompaniment, that acoustic drums could easily out-volume all of them.
What helped me was to:
1. Understand the music, and what message is to be conveyed - some songs
are loud and exciting, others soft and contemplative, but all could have
contributions from drums. It helped me that I also play piano so I have
some idea of the balance I would like if I was on piano and someone on drums.
2. Use the right sticks - I used very lightweight jazz.  Mallets are great,
too, for soft cymbal rolls.  There are also steel and plastic brushes.
3. Attitude - As far as the distraction goes, most folks (congregational
listeners) are afraid that drums automatically mean LOUD.  Be willing to
serve in a support role.  But, again, it depends on the type of music
you are playing.
4. Drum setup - take much of the reverberation out of your set - it usually
clouds the rest of the music.
5. In the midst of all this, while being sensitive to the music and the
congregational comfort, there can be the tendancy to play really mediocre
drums, that is, to play token drums.  THAT, I cannot stand, because you 
play the same thing over and over and over again, and I think a real 
challenge is to keep the energy level going without letting the volume 
get high and destroying the rest of the music and vocals.

These are my ideas.




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Div. of Radiation Oncology
Mayo Clinic, Desk R 
Rochester, MN 55905            
(507) 284-3551                  Internet:   bourland@mayo.edu
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From: jsm@fc.hp.com
 (John Marvin)
Subject: Re: Is there any "progressive" Christian music?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:23:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Workstation Kernel, Ft. Collins, CO
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Michael David Toth (tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu) wrote:
: The following actually came out of the real punk movement in the UK in
: the late-70's/early-'80s (as opposed to suburban Christians trying to
: act like punks because "it will minister to the youth" but the youth can
: smell 'em a mile away)  Some of these albums are so-so, but all of them
: have some MAGNIFICENT individual songs on them: 
: 
: Ishmael United - If You Can't Shout Saved
: Ishmael - Ishmael's Antique Collection (Sort of Monty Python meets The
:           Pogues Christian "pub" music)
: Rev Counta & the Speedoze - Life Begins at 30
: Bill Mason Band - No Sham!
: Giantkiller - The Alternative
: Andy McCarroll & Moral Support - Zionic Bonds
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow, someone else knows about Andy McCarroll. Does anyone know if this album
is available on CD? I had a roommate who had the LP, and I played it fairly
often, but I was never able to locate a copy for myself (LP or CD). Since
I don't condone just taping it, I don't have a copy. I would probably even
be interested in buying the LP, if someone knows where I can order it.

	John Marvin
	jsm@fc.hp.com
From: billy@irvine.com (* Bouncer **)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Amy Grant's New CD: Problems..I think
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:46:29 GMT
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA

>   From:  emw107@psuvm.psu.edu (Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland)
>
>     I just purchased Amy's new Christmas CD and I was wondering if I had a
> defected one or not. Here are the symptoms:
> 
>     On track 6, Grown Up Christmas List, the lyrics are as follows:
> 
>      "Well I'm all grown up now and still need help somehow."
> 
>    Now on my version either Amy "trills" her voice on the 'Well' in that line
> OR my CD skips. I was just wondering if anyone else hears this. Please
> respond quickly for if I have to return it, I would like to soon. Thanks.
>  

   If you read the lyrics in context, she's talking about how she used to sit
on Santa Claus' knee when she was a little girl.  On the word "Well", she lets
out a chuckle because she's laughing at the fact that she's all grown up now
and still asking for a "grown up Christmas list". Usually only children would
ask for a Christmas list from Santa.  The chuckle isn't a skip or a defect.
She purposely has it there to add character.  I don't think you should return
it, but you might want to sell it to a friend because you can get it at Target
for $10.95 with a bonus track that isn't on the original.  I got mine for
$16.00 and found out that a friend got it for cheaper with an extra song!
Cool dog!!!

-- Christy Werenicz (brownbd@biola.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest)
Subject: Re: What is "progressive" music?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:36:10 GMT

In article <JARTSU.92Nov13023905@lk-hp-10.hut.fi> Jari.Lehto@hut.fi writes:
>Well, I ask what is "progressive" music, and I hope that somebody
>could give as good answers as the "industrial" question got.

Not from me.  Anyway, maybe others' answers averaged out with mine
will be close to accurate.  ;-)

First, progressive is in the eye of the beholder.  There is (was)
progressive country, progressive rock, and maybe even progressive
disco (nah - that's an oxymoron).  I'll limit to my opinions on
Progressive Rock.

Since I work at AT&T, the inventor of the non-pronouncable
abbreviation (NPA) (tm), we'll refer to Progressive Rock as PR.

PR is music that has mostly elements of rock and roll, but is heavily
influenced by "classical" paradigms such as recurring themes, complex,
unusual, and/or changing rhythms, little if any room for improvosation
by the performer, and usually songs that are long enough to support
such.  It often requires performers who read and write sheet music
because of the complexity.

Music that most would have considered progressive:

early Emerson, Lake, and Palmer (yea, Emerson improvised)
early Yes
early Kansas
the rock-opera-album "Tommy" by The Who
a couple of MWS's piano-concerto-like ditty's

PR *might* be music that is exceptionally imaginative or innovative,
yet retaining that mystical quality that keeps us from calling it
"noise".  ;-)  (Remember, though, they thought Stravinsky wrote noise.)

Paul Simon's offerings (eg: Graceland).
The Beatles.
Dixie Dregs (ok, I just like them)  ;-)
Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits)

There are religious PR groups that fit this genre, but these are groups
most people would have heard (of).

How's that for a first stab?

Mark
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:34:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <mmaccorm.48@fox.nstn.ns.ca> mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac 
Cormack) doesn't write:

>>  I also have Nat King Cole's Christmas album, which I recommend.

I love Nat King Cole.  I'll have to check this out.

>>Emmylou Harris also has released an album, new for this year, I
>>believe.  If you like country and bluegrass, there are some very nice
>>tracks on this album, including "Beautiful Star of Bethlehem" and
>>"Christmas Time's a Coming".  

Are you talking about her "Light of the Stable" LP?  If so, that came out
about 8 years ago.  Maybe it just made it to CD?  Either way, I'll second
that it's a wonderful album if you're a Harris fan.  If you like Joan
Baez, her Christmas LP -- "Noel" -- is also good.  It's an oldie, so her
voice is young and clearer than it has become.  Lots of traditional stuff.

I'm also a fan of some of the stuff off the "Special Christmas" album, the
one done by a variety of artists for the Special Olympics a few years
back.  Sting's version of "Gabriel's Message" is wonderful, as is Allison
Moyet's "Coventry Carol" and the Eurythmics' "Walking in a Winter
Wonderland" and the Pretenders' "Have Yourself a Merry LIttle Christmas."
I couldn't stand the Bon Jovi, Bryan Adams, John Cougar Mellencamp, Bruce
Springsteen, U2 stuff though.

For instrumental stuff, I heartily recommend the Canadian Brass Christmas
album and Windham Hill's "Winter Solstice."  I'm also a big fan of the
Boston Camerata Christmas LP -- it's medieval and wonderful.    



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: aeg@vixen.uucp (24104-gronczewski)
Subject: Re: Catholic music
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:51:07 GMT
Keywords: Catholic, Talbot

In article <dhills.721451033@sfu.ca> dhills@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Martin Hills) writes:
>Hi.  I recently went to a catholic church, and I really enjoyed 
>the music.  There was a guitarist, and some really cool sounding
>instrument -- it sounded like some sort of flute or panflute.
>And the singing that went with it was simple choruses, and very
>beautiful.
>
>My question is whether there is any music like that available on
>tape or CD. 
>
>I do know about John Michael Talbot, and have his "The Quiet side"
>(kinda a compilation/best of) tapes, and really enjoy them.  What 
>are his best albums?  Is there anyone else that puts out this style
>of music?
>
>Thanks,
>
>DMH 
> 
>

Dear DMH,

Some other groups or individuals put out some good Catholic music 
used in church, their styles are not like Talbot's but the music is
fairly popular with the congregation.  They are Gregory Norbert, 
MOnks from the Weston Priory in Vermont, Carey Landry, St. Louis
Jesuits and a few others that I cannot remember off the top of my
head.

Adam G.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: taj26@cas.org (Ty Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Reply-To: taj26@cas.org
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:37:15 GMT

In article 2104@shaman.wv.tek.com, dianebi@ice.wv.tek.com (Diane Biernat) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know the tour schedule for Michael W. Smith?  Or do you know
> where I can get one?  When Amy Grant was in Portland over a year ago she 
> said he was coming here soon, but we haven't heard anything since then.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

The next Smitty tour starts in January '93.  You can call 1-900-7SMITTY for
concert schedule details ($0.95 per minute).

-Ty Jacobs  taj26@cas.org   Columbus, Ohio
From: markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:40:04 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <97487@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <nestabro.721661764@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>
>>One of the most faulty arguments for "secular" things is that, "well, they
>>talk about _real_ life, and _real_ problems that we can't just _hide_
>>from."  I got news - Scripture talks about every important problem there is,
>>and gives the solution for it.  If that ain't real life, nothin' is.

If the readers disagree with my assertions about Christian rock (see
past postings), can they not at least agree that all music should be
for the praise, honor, and glory to God?  And IF (notice the BIG IF),
you agree with this, then shouldn't music with the main intent on
developing social issues rather than keeping our eyes on the Lord be
unedifying?  Just a question?  Please, no flames on this one.  I've
already received enough mail to last a few days.  So much for sub-
scribing to this newsgroup!

mc
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest)
Subject: Re: Metallica...music....etc...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:35:52 GMT

In article <12NOV199211420026@jane.uh.edu> math1rb@jane.uh.edu (92F07486) writes:
>  Probably one of the best ways a parent may be able to get across to
>their child about the hoorors of drug use, is to use the songs written by the
>bands who have lost friends due to drug use.

There's a decent one on Def Leppard's Adrenalize (sp?), for example.

OTOH, the first song on the album is a semi-anthem to rebellion.

Not a great album, not an awful album, just an album.

Mark
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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray for Rain
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:54:02 GMT
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abney@stsci.edu wrote:
: Hi, 
: 	I went to college in Minnesota (where Pray for Rain
: 	is from).  I got to see them many times at the 
: 	New Union (a christian "night club") before they got 
: 	famous.  They are really neat guys and sound great 
: 	live.  Once they opened for Steve Camp and he thought
: 	they were great too.
: 	
: 	When they started playing there, they first called 
: 	themselves "Inside Out".   Then another group called
: 	"Inside Out" got a record contract or something so
: 	they changed their name to "Pray for Reign".  Shortly
: 	after that, it got changed to the awesome name they
: 	now have "Pray for Rain".

One quick question - do they have a keyboard player?  If so -
what's his name?  The keyboard player in a band I was in in Iowa
(originally called Prism, changed to Pryzm when somebody else
with a real record label decided they like Prism, and then to
Inside Out after I left - some coincidence, huh?) is now
in a band in Minnesota, but I don't remember the name of the
group.  His name was Dan Hicks - could it be the same guy (if
not, it's at least a bunch of coincidences).

: 
: 	I'm really glad that they are getting more airplay and
: 	circulation.  I love their music and style.  It's hard
: 	to classify, sometimes it's punkish and their ballads are
: 	really heart touching.
: 
: 	It's great to actually get to talk about Christian music
: 	in this group!
: 
: 				--Faith
: 
:
thanks,

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
 
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