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From: GEN0036@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Brynjolfr)
Subject: Translation (was Re: twinkie names)
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:22:15 GMT
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Gwenllian writes:
>    Plus, if you're sufficiently interested in a culture, why translate? 
>  If you find a name you like, why not use it as you found it?

This is something that has always confused me somewhat... I find the idea
of translating one's name so that people have something a little more
pronounceable or understandable to address one as as being the only real
reason for translating one's name. For most names, there seems to be little
point... although maybe translating Skallagrim to Bald-Pate Grim or Harald
Hardradi to Harald the Stern (or Ruthless, for a more accurate and less
literal translation ;) would have some point, to help explain names to
people and ease sore throats...

>        Gwenllian Cwmystwyth ferch Morfudd

-Brynjolfr Myrkjartanarson, Compaignie Mercurie, Seashire, Ruantallan, East

      The unwise man thinks he will live for ever if he shuns fight, but
      Old age gives him no peace though spears may shun him. - The Havamal

          The Net: gen0036@husky1.stmarys.ca, gen0036@stmarys.bitnet
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
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Subject: Re: Question....
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:02:00 -0700

DK>  From: kuijt@umiacs.umd.edu (David Kuijt)
DK>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
DK>  <1992Jul20.191007.29303@watson.ibm.com>
DK>
DK>  >> Can I use Antlers in all of my decorating?
DK>
DK>  There is a stupendously homely Du"rer (I think) print of a hanging
DK>  chandelier constructed of a huge rack of antlers intertwined with a
DK>  bronze
DK>  dragon.  The whole effect is confused and I certainly wouldn't put
DK>  anything like that in my house, as it is really ugly.

Speak for yourself! I think it sounds wonderful, and would go really nicely 
with the mounted bear's head over the mantle, if only I had a higher 
ceiling!   :-)

To each his/her own!

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com 
 

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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Steward's office restructuring.
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:47:53 GMT

The other question Arval asked about my reposting of the Corporate
Announcement for the Stewards office had to wait until today, when I
had more time.

He asked:
  Was there any discussion of this proposal in Board minutes?  I don't recall
  it.  

There was, sort of.  Here is the relevant paragraph: (From the Board Minutes
of the April 26, 1992 meeting.)

  Opal Doerr has advised that she is no longer willing to consider taking
  over the Stewardship as a full-time job, so it will be necessary to
  recruit a new Deputy. Opal will take care of the recurring duties of
  the deputy (including coordinating insurance coverage for events) as
  long as necessary, which makes it possible to advertise the job
  normally. She would like to remain involved with the SCA-future project
  (which will be evaluating the allocation of work at the corporate
  level), but no longer wishes to coordinate it. The Steward suggested
  that it might be desirable to recruit several people with potential for
  the job and assign duties that would assist the Society and help
  develop the deputies as potential Stewards, so that the Board would have
  a range of choices when it becomes necessary to fill the job. They
  would all be involved with the SCA-future project, and it might prove
  feasible for one of them to take over the management of that project.
  She also advised that she has no particular desire to retire this year,
  so there is no urgency in the situation.

Does anybody know more about the SCA-future project?

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Sex, swords and pagans
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.712232284.F00003

TC>  From: A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET (Tim Chase)
TC>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
TC>
TC>  To the first, I have noticed in An Tir that there has been a rise in
TC>  problems between people at SCA events. I do not know if it is
TC>  connected to the growing size of the events or that the SCA is
TC>  starting
TC>  to attract people who need to be watched more than the average. What
TC>  I
TC>  mean is, I have spent more time trying to clear up the He said/she
TC>  said
TC>  game than enjoying the event itself. I have noticed a big jump in
TC>  drug
TC>  and booze usage than is years past.

Milord, I would ask you to write to me email at my unix address, as a 
private reply here in this bbs is too complicated.

I have not seen as much trouble as you report, and as a MacFlandry, and 
sometime guard of such events, I would like to know more (in private).

Do you know Sean McGurn?

(I suspect that some of the problem is in the growing number of young whose 
parents have been too busy trying to cope with shrinking income to raise 
their children wisely, if at all. I would like to explore this with you. 
Such people usually do far better once they know there *are* rules, and what 
they are...)

TC>  As for Pagans, here in An Tir there is a large community of people
TC>  who have done some interesting research into the life style of
TC>  the early Pagans. But there are others who use the Pagan title as
TC>  a protest against the society around them.

In my circle of friends these are often the same people. Most pagans I know 
are people who were made to feel *very* unworthy by strict Christian sects. 
I imagine a person's level of maturity and understanding have a lot to do 
with how this protest comes out...in obnoxious and ineffectual rowdiness, or 
in the learning of the spiritual skills needed to have emotional survival in 
the *long* run, (true in whatever religion you chose).

Your words disturb me. I feel that perhaps the elders of the SCA are not 
taking enough young aside, and explaining *why* the SCA is such a good, and 
tolerant place, and how that is maintained.

I will likely be a Ducal. Ask McGurn who I am. He knows me.

Moreach NicMaolain
Veteran Trooper, MacFlandry Guards

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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Moderation (was pentagrams)
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:06:06 GMT

Hoping you all understand this is a light hearted answer:

archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
  So when the lotus-eating mundanes out Caid-way decide that combat as a sport 
  is too violent for their delicate sensabilites, well ban that too, to aviod 
  trouble, eh?

When the rabid, libertarian extremists create straw dog inflammatory examples,
should we point out the error of their ways, and that we caught them? (:-)

	Tibor (whose opinions on the topic at hand are not present in this
	article).
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Subject: Re: Rape, women, carrying weapons
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:07:56 EDT

archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:

> In article <1992Jul22.181209.24994@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.
> 
> >Not only that they can lead to fatalities, but if your attacker
> >is bigger, srtonger, luckier, whatever, your little knife can
> >quickly be used _against_ you, either as extra co-ercion, or
> >as a weapon.
> 
> While this is a possibility, this is not always the case.
> 
> >So in other words, they can't help, and they're very likely to get 
> >not only the attacker (for whom I have little sympathy--if it's
> >a question of his/her safety, I'd say carry all the knives you
> >want), but the weapon is more likely to hurt you.
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> This is not accurate.  Last years Uniform Crime Report, issued annually by 
> the FBI, showed resistance in ANY form is better than non-resistance.  
> Further, less than 7% of weapons used in self-defense were turned against 
> the victim.
> 
> 
> -=-=-
> T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
> University of Tennessee
> "Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
> -=-=-

Vidarr help me, I'm about to make a post about the chiefest of my
pet peeves - the general resemblence of the majority of the population
to someone having the tactical sense of a newborn dik-dik.

Mr. Archer, statistics are, in terms of an individual making an 
important decision (I am safter trying to threaten this assaultor
or not?) utterly meaningless.  Statistics are not about individuals.

A threat of violence is *not* effective unless is carries conviction;
this is a complicated and subtle compound of voice, body language,
and the experience of the individual your are trying to threaten.
(Standard 18 year old males, particularly when drunk, *do not*
threaten well; they get macho, and stupid.)

The short form is it only works if you will do you damndest to kill
or cripple the assaultor if you threaten them with a weapon.

The basic rule for this sort of thing is 'run, talk, fight, in
that order, dammit!'.  Another is *do not get drunk in the presence
of strangers*.  *Ever*.

Blood and iron, blood and bone, blood laid under the anvil stone...

Safe is an illusion.

Graydon

        Graydon the Curious         /graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca
  Skraeling Althing, EAldormere, MK / "Nihil est quin obsisti possit"
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From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: Re: twinkie names
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:02:49 GMT

on the note of compund names for period cultures, are you then discrediting
the vikings and the Ancient Finns?
Both of them used plenty of euphemisms in saying things.

For instance the Sea was merely the Whaleway for the Vikings,.
or one of many other terms.

For the Finns, try and of their zillion [exageration] names for bear.
including Nectarpaw. 

I realize that perhaps the finnish culture goes too far east for you but please dont
try to discredit people woithout looking at all cultures if you are going to say things like that.

Kiitos
-kyllikki

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From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
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Subject: Dancing at Pennsic
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:18:46

Milord Justin, your proposal sounds good.  I know that if I'd just 
 learned a dance recently, I'd like a caller, but to have one caller be 
 heard sounds most difficult.  Personally, I call any dance I know if it 
 appears that anyone in my set is having difficulty.  OTOH, I won't be 
 at Pennsic.....
     Gwenllian CfM

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From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: "Once upon a Weekend" demo tape
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.712101755.F00004

LE>  In a message to Nancy Lebovitz <07-24-92 13:17> Suze Hammond wrote:
LE>
LE>  SH>  NL>  From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
LE>  SH>  NL>  The Wall Street Journal always uses drawings rather than
LE>  photos

LE>  SH>  Why? Does anyone know?
LE>
LE>  Just a guess, but drawings do *not* have to be "screened" to create
LE>  "halftoned" images before printing. This saves both time *and* money.

Yes, I hadn't thought about that...

Which means that my suggestion that we submit photos of illuminations of our 
royalty and our sport should include half-toning, whenever we can afford it.

If you want somebody to use *your* stuff, instead of *their* stuff, it helps 
to make your the easiest to use!  :-)

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey Oster)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Question....
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:23:29 GMT
Distribution: usa, na, world
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.194206.11650@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>Good Gentle,  I would be most pleased to espy many and sundry things
>decorated with Antlers,  except mayhaps, a good friend or his bed posts.

That would depend entirely on the good friend...  I have a couple of
good friends who look simply smashing in antlers.  Herne lives!  I
always thought of the cuckold's horns as goat or ram.

"Take no scorn to wear the horn/ it was the crest when you were born!"

	Siobhan
--
Leigh Ann Hussey Oster
leighann@sybase.com			DoD#5913	AMA#624549
Siobhan ni hEodhusa
"They're mine!  All mine!  And what's mine is mine!" - Daffy Duck
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From: r1vmb@vax1.cc.uakron.EDU (Virginia M Berringer)
Subject: re: dampness at Pennsic
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:19:21 GMT

Greetings,

Two years ago, when I was extremely new to tent camping (I brought my
first tent home from the store the day before I left for Pennsic) a
long-time scadian gave me a piece of advice which I have found works
very well.  Lady Demelza told me to be sure to zip up my tent just
before sundown, and leave it closed up until full darkness.  This gives
the night dampness time to settle outside the tent and not on the
bedding inside.  I did this every night but one for the last two
Pennsics, and only on that one night did the bedding feel damp.  (that
is, except the evening of the downpour last year when I was sort of
rained in at Mass while whole rivers of water rained into my tent)

It's a simple solution, but it does seem to help.

Emma Dutton/Virginia Berringer
Akron, Ohio
vberringer@vax1.cc.uakron.edu


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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Steward's office restructuring.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:44:43 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Among the goals of the "Steward's Council" which the Board discussed in its
letter, was listed:

>   o Coordinating servicemark registration

Does anyone have any idea what this means?

In general, I wonder what the Steward is going to be doing.  Does
"day-to-day supervision" imply supervision of the corporate offices, or
supervision of the medieval structure of the SCA?  I am very worried that
this extra set of officers at the corporate level will simply create a new
group of people with more time to interfere where they don't belong.
Was there any discussion of this proposal in Board minutes?  I don't recall
it.  

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Sender: postmaster@therose.pdx.com
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Subject: Re: Gaelic v. Irish?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:46:00 -0700

Milord, someone told me of a PC program for learning Gaelic. Have you ever 
heard of it?

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com 
 

From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Tablet/Card Weaving Ques
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:58:16

Elizabeth Braidwood wrote...

>Greetings to the Rialto. I'm looking for people who would like to talk
>about tablet-/card-weaving. (Seems to me that is is one of the few crafts
>who's patterns are not hindered by ASCII terminals.)
>
>Thora Sharptooth and Stephen of the Grove - you've both mentioned
>card-weaving in your postings, would you like to talk?

You betcha!

>
>On my last vacation I spent a day figuring out how to do double-face card
>weaving (ie. producing letters and patterns from graphed designs). While
>I was mostly satisfied by the results, it seemed to me that my designs
>were significantly more elongated than the examples I was trying to
>reproduce. I tried using a finer weft and while that helped, it didn't
>help enough.
>Any suggestions?

When you make out your graph, use a ratio of 3-1, so that one mark
on the graph paper is three times as long as it is wide.  The
IBM-PC style boxing characters sent to a printer do this reasonably
well, or you can use regular graph paper by marking 3 boxes instead
of one.  I'm sure most Mac's have a way that you could design and
print a special graph paper.  Once you've got a master, you can
copy it.  While your making it, you might add card-numbers, etc.

Packing your weft tight or loose will alter how elongated your
pattern is, but not a lot.  Packing tight will also make your belt
much less pliable.

>Has anybody seen Egon Hansen's _Tablet_Weaving:_History,_Techniques,_
>_Colours,_Patterns_? Is it worth the $55 as listed in Unicorn Books'
>catalogue? I'm also desperately looking for my own copy of Collingwood's
>_Techniques_of_Tablet_Weaving_. If you find one available, *please* let me
>know. (I don't think anyone takes it out of the local library but me.)

I haven't heard of the first, and every tablet-weaver I know is
looking for the Collingwood book.  (Not to mention most of our
friends!  :^)  If anyone has *any* information about the first (or
where to buy the second!) I'm interested.

I would like to find information about the authenticity of
threaded-in patterns.  (Like the diamonds that auto-repeat, the
ramshorn pattern, etc.) (I'm almost positive the ramshorn isn't
period, however it's the generic threaded-in pattern that I'm
interested in.)  Every picture I've seen of period tablet weaving
has been double-face.

>Yours (two forward, one back) truly (one forward, two back)
                     ^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^^^^^^^
You are going to get a glitch here!  :^)

>
>Elizabeth (two forward, two back) Braidwood (two forward, one back)

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From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: "Once upon a Weekend" demo tape
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:15:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: SCA

A quickie from Angharad on pictures.  Caitlin asks whether it is anyone's 
business (and why they should care) whether someone takes a candid photo of 
them that they will, in all likelihood, never see (or even know about).

I'm not a full fledged camera phobe, since I like having pictures of some 
things, but I sympathize with the view.  (Call me a half-fledged one.... ;^)
Maybe this will clarify things a little.

I first saw a number of SCAdians through photos ("And here's Sir So-and-So, 
you don't know him, he used to live here, and here's Lady Thus-and-Such, she 
just had a kid, hasn't been traveling much, but you should meet her soon, 
and ...").  We snap shots of people under circumstances when they are _bound_ 
to look awful (e.g. fighters who just popped their helms).  Some of us have 
been traumatized since childhood with photos that look like anything but what 
we see in the mirror even under favorable circumstances, and some of us aren't 
all that happy with the truth anyhow.  We may want people to form their first 
opinions of us in person, when the soul animates the body and face, and we 
feel some hope that they will see us and not just what the camera catches.  
If _nobody_ is to see the shot, why take it?  But if someone is to see _me_, 
I may care when and how they do. 

-- Angharad/Terry
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Them's our boys! (was Re: why not pentacles)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:08:39 GMT

In article <92204.161919HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Hal Ravn, talking about police SCA members in LA:
>
>>There are two SCA members (that I know of) on the force in or near Los
>>Angeles.  (One of them, by the way, had a *very* near miss in the late
>>unpleasantness there--a bullet went through his police helmet from
>>front to back leaving him with a minor concussion.
>
>Was this Sir Hanno, once-upon-a-time King of the East?  

That's the name.  I didn't know he had formerly lived in the East.

>There's already a
>story floating around the East Kingdom about how one of our ex-knights got
>shot in the head in the LA riots and called it light .....

I hadn't heard that claim . . .

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: haslock@fungus.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock)
Subject: Re: Residence in local branches
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:23:34 GMT

Unto Hossein, greetings,

I appreciate being shown to be mistaken by someone who knows enough to do so.

I would appreciate an explanation of all of the technical terms in the
explanation.

I will not bother to explain what I meant since it has been shown, assuming
that we understand the proof, to be extremely wrong headed.

I would very much like to see an explanation of what fealty meant in period
published in something like TI (notes on how and when fealty changed would be
nice). If I can be so wrong about what ought to be a fundamental concept, I
am sure that a large proportion of the populace would benefit from such an
explanation. Please write at greater length.

	Fiacha
	Aquaterra, AnTir
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Regarding cameras at SCA events
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:16:06 GMT

Hal points out that there is no SCA wide policy on flash photography,
and wonders if kingdom's have such a rule.

East Kingdom Law, AS XXVII version (the new one):
  Part IX: Rights of Subjects.
  A. Concerning mundanities.
    3. Photographic flash equipment is forbidden in the central area of
       any official indoor event, being defined as any area where people
       must be present in order to participate in the event, such as the
       hall where a feast is held. The autocrat shall be responsible for
       defining the boundaries of the central area.

I suspect the "indoor" part is because so few East Kingdom events are
camping events.  By the time it's dark, we're usually inside. We have similar
laws for canned beverages (part 1), smoking (part 2).

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Documentation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:35:13

     Alexander of Kiev wrote to Hossein Ali Qomi:

    CJ> So, to take an example from a field with which I am somewhat more
    CJ> familiar than the history of manuals of swordsmanship:  In pragmatic
    CJ> terms, Coke's _Institutes_ is, for me, available; while the _Corpus
    CJ> Iuris Civilis_ with Accursius' _Glossa Ordinaria_ -- *the* legal
    CJ> textbook of the 13th & 14th centuries -- is not.  (Unless, most learned
    CJ> lord, you know of a modern English edition; I most certainly have not
    CJ> been able to find one.)

 Ack! But how can you make any sense (historically) out of Coke unless you
 can dig into Bracton and Glanville and the Dialogus de Scaccario?

    Tadhg, Hanaper

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