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From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: re:metabolism changes from diet
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:41:08 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

From my understanding, if a person is used to eating a set amount, then
goes on a reduction diet, his/her body will find a set point, a point at
which survival will be compromised.  When your calorie intake is so 
reduced, your body slows its metabolism as a self-preservation device.

Yes, this can usually be combatted by doing more exercise than usual.  But
if a person diets off an on all his/her life, especially if this dieting
cycle was begin before puberty, a person's body will find a lower set
point and become very calorie efficient, and the cycle dieter will need
much less calories than people who haven't cycle-dieted.

It is a very easy thing for people who have never experienced chronic
weight problems, regardless of diet and exercise, to understand this.
Most people will tell a heavy person, "Just stop eating...cut out
desserts...go for walks..."  I heard it many times when I was heavy.
One person told me, "When I want to lose weight, I just eat smaller 
portions."  Would that it were so easy.

I have a bit to lose, not a lot, but enough to make me crazy.  For the
past month, with one day's exception, I have eaten nothing but diet
bread, sometimes toasted, with Simply Fruit, and some tea.  I lift
and do some kind of aerobic activity almost every day.  I get the
rest of my nutrients through supplements.

Most people would look at that and think it too extreme, or that I had
some sort of eating problem.  It's neither; it's what I have to do
to lose weight.  I can't trust my body as other people can.  I have to
diet this way.
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From: kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim)
Subject: Soy Milk & Veggi Protein
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:50:36 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: na

Does anyone know where I can purchase soy milk ?
I almost gave up getting used to dairy products.
Local supermarket doesn't seem to carry. 

Also I have a question on veggi protein. Is veggi protein equally
effective with animal protein to help build muscle ?

Thanks for any help.

Kwansik Kim
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Heavy curls
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:23:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr16.102311.19396
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu


In article <308@vercors.frec.bull.fr>, kossa@B.O.S. (Marc Kossa) writes:
|> 
|>   I'd like to know what kind of strenth can be obtained on Barbell Curls
|> for biceps. Is is something like half of what you can do on Bench Press ?
|> Or is it better related to chins behind the neck ?

I don't know that there is any direct relation between ability to do curls
vs. bench vs. chins.  Bench requires strong chest/triceps, chins require
back/lat/bicep strength.  Curling half of one's bench seems like a lot to me.  

If we're talking good from all around, I would expect that if you can 
do 300 lb benches, you'd probably do 100 - 120 lb curls.  Of course if you
train for one or the other, you'll end up good at what you train for.  If 
you really want to train for curls, I have no doubt that you can hit
50% of your bench strength - primarily because your bench won't be 
particularly good.

|>   BTW, is there any truth in the fact that some guys can curl up to 300 lbs
|> for reps ? This seems an awful lot to me !!

Sure, they generally have 20+ inch arms.

Art
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: saj@b15.b15.ingr.com (Steve Jernigan)
Subject: Knees (Osgood Schlatter Syndrome)
Keywords: knees osgood schlatter
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:57:37 GMT



Has anyone had any experience or just some good solid factual knowledge
about Osgood Schlatter Syndrome?

Inquiring minds want to know.....

Steve J.
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How much can you eat???
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.ndsj41.westes
Organization: Mail Group

baker@westsd.dco.dec.com (Art Baker) writes:

> Parrillo also claims that fruits should be eliminated from the diet
>because (he says) the sugar from fruits tends to turn into fat more
>quickly.  This doesn't make sense to me.  Foods that have a high insulin
>response will tend to be stored as fat, because the presence of insulin
>triggers fat storage by the body.  But fructose has an almost flat
>insulin response curve, so I don't see what would be causing it to get
>stored as fat. If you can clarify the mechanics of this for me, I'd be
>very grateful.

The reason that fructose has a flat insulin response is because it does
not metabolize to glucose in the gut.  It is slowly absorbed through
osmosis and transported to the liver where it is then converted to
glucose.  Compare that to anything containing sugar, which metabolizes
in part to glucose in the gut, and is absorbed and used right away.
Maybe what he is really saying is that when he eats fruit he
tends to put on bodyfat, and he has no clue about what metabolic
effects are responsible for that.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 17:46:08 EDT
From: Robert Cryan Jr. <IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: RUBBER BANDS!


I have used the "rubber band" set before and found that I was shaping
and/or toning but _I_ got no strength gains.  I used this during bicycle
racing season and maintained my strength and size.

Possibly in the absence of the heavy endurance work you could make good
gains.  An alternative might be combining the rubber bands and free
weights.

RCJ
From: jprice@DPW.COM (Janice Price)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: nordic track - computer
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:33:26 GMT
Organization: DP&W, New York, NY


When I ordered my Nordic Track I received a free computerized
timer/speedometer/etc.

I have a question about the "PI" - performance index counter.  Is this
supposed to be calories?  I know that it can't be too accurate since
calorie expenditure depends upon your own body weight and metabolism but it
does not even seem to come close, compared to the calories other exercise
equipment such as the Life Cycle or Stair Master claim to expend.  For
instance after 25 minutes/ 4 km. on the Nordic Track the "PI" counts is
about 100.  But after 15 minutes on a StairMaster the readout of calories
burned is usually 185-200.
And on the Nordic Track I feel like I am using  ALOT more energy than on
the other equipment.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kapitan@cs.uwp.edu (Andrea Kapitan)
Subject: Re: Proofing (PLEASE)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:27:23 GMT

Here is the flame you requested:

Why must you parent the rest of us? I really don't care if an article I've read
on Usenet has the perfect spelling and grammar. My level of initiative is
sufficient to figure out a few mistakes. I read articles for pleasure and
information, not to judge others. Lighten up.

By the way: Your article didn't piss me off, I just felt like flaming and
you really set yourself up.

"It's people like YOU that cause unrest" - Mony Python

-andrea



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From: jpeach@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Protein
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:38:20 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <756@jgaltstl.UUCP>, terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
> 
> Because muscle is built from protein, many individuals who want to
> accumulate muscle mass assume that they will get 'bigger,faster' if
> they eat large amounts of protein. I have seen nothing to support
> this. In reality, the body builder needs fairly small amounts of
> protein over the requirements of the 'couch potato'.
> 
> -- 
>   Terry Linhardt                uunet!jgaltstl!terry                  
>                                 terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
>                                 terry%jgaltstl.uucp@uunet.uu.net     

I agree Terry, that eating more protein will not make you get bigger fast.
There is a lot of avidense to suport that idea that protein is just converted
to triglycerids if they are not used.

I disagree with your statement that couch potatos require the same amount of
protein as body builders.  Body builder definaly require more, but not much
more.  They can require up to as much as twice as much protien compared to
a couch potato, but, as north americans, we get twice as much protein
on the average then we need. 
 
 
///MiStEr pEaCh\\\
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Subject: Re: RUBBER BANDS!
Reply-To: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:50:20 GMT

Doughnut!

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Computer Sciences Corp
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From: grs02502@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Fructose-Parrillo
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:02:27 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

This fructose thing with Parrillo has bothered me so much that I am going to
call Parrillo Performance and get some answers.  I'll post what I find out. 
Just thought I would let anyone interested know.
From: lmtra@uts.amdahl.com (Leon Traister)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Soy Milk & Veggi Protein
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:13:53 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <14313@pitt.UUCP> jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu writes:
>In article 26022@hellgate.utah.edu, kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim) writes:
[...]
>>Also I have a question on veggi protein. Is veggi protein equally
>>effective with animal protein to help build muscle ?

>
>Veggi protein doesn't contain all the essential amino acids, so it`s not
>as good as protein from animal sources.
>
>- Jan

Sorry, but you may be misinformed.  First of all, soy protein is
complete and as good quality as any other.  As for the other vegetable
sources that do not have a complete set by themselves, they become
complete when eaten in the usual combinations, e.g. rice and beans.

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From: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM (Mark Conti - Sun Syracuse, NY FE)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Fructose-Parrillo
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:39:06 GMT
Reply-To: markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: onondaga.east.sun.com

I don't see anything around the great white north (Syracuse NY) on Parrillo.
Can someone give me an address on his organization?
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: Proofing (PLEASE)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:18:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.032723.24223@uwm.edu> kapitan@cs.uwp.edu (Andrea Kapitan) writes:
>Here is the flame you requested:
>
>Why must you parent the rest of us? I really don't care if an article I've read
>on Usenet has the perfect spelling and grammar. My level of initiative is
>sufficient to figure out a few mistakes. I read articles for pleasure and
>information, not to judge others. Lighten up.
>
I couldn't of said it better, but you gotta remember some people are to
wrapped up in details to see the whole picture (Gee, I hope my spelling is
right). He is probably the same type of guy that makes sure his clothes
hang equal distance apart in his closet.

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Popping my joints
From: yeager@sc2a.unige.ch (Mark Yeager)
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:14:44 +0200
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland

In article <1992Apr12.205547.5001@ac.dal.ca>, jpeach@ac.dal.ca writes:

> Popping your joints is not a good idea.  There is a number of studies that
> show a relationship between doing this and and increase risk of developing
> arthritis in the joint.  There is alos an increase in scar tissue that
> tends to develop that can lead to all kinds of problems.  
> I will not make the joints bigger.

False. Cite one such study.

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Mark Yeager  ->  yeager@cgeuge52.bitnet     yeager@sc2a.unige.ch
From: nbernste@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Norman Bernstein)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Life Circuit
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:30:37 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

kardaras@lischer.ecn.purdue.edu (George S Kardaras) writes:

>Has anyone tried the new fitness/body-building machines 
>that make up the "Life Circuit"? (I am not 100% sure this
>is the exact name, but this is what they are called at the
>Recreational Center of Purdue).

This equipment is not all that new.  It is manufactured by Balley and
has been in the Balley owned health clubs for years.  When I was a
member, I noticed that the guys who worked out in the free weight room
frequently came up to work on the arm curl machine (for that extra
burn).

>I'd like to know the opinions others who tried them.

I used them.  You start by letting the machine measure your maximum push
(or pull).  Each set is 12 reps with the first and last three reps
easier than the rest.  You can increase or decrease your work load with
the touch of a button.

The + is that is adjusts the work load to your level of strength.
The - is that it guides your range of motion so you don't work the
supporting tissue as well as you would with free weights.

Give 'em a try . . . see what you think.
From: butteris@dingus.ssc.gov (Jamey Butteris)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:10:58 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

In article <sfc8pINNn53@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> markc@onondaga.East.Sun.COM  
(Mark Conti - Sun Syracuse, NY FE) writes:
> How do you figure your calories per body weight? 
> ---
> Mark Conti			Email:  mark.conti@east.sun.com

body weight in kg *                   (multiplied, that is) by
1.1 for males or 1.09 for females *   (sexism in metabolism? hormones!)
1.08 to 1.12 *                        (food type low fat = better)
1.1 to 1.15 =                         (physical activity factor)
calories needed to MAINTAIN current weight for one "average" hour.
example (myself) @ 
220 lbs /2.2 = 100 cal * 1.1 * 1.11 (vegetarian) * 1.14 (running+weights)=
139.194 * 24 hours (AVERAGE!) = 3340 cals.

Better ratios depend on type and frequency of physical activities, types  
of food ingested at what time of day, and amount of "active" mass. (220  
lbs lean burns more than 170 lbs with 50 lbs fat. Bear in mind that this  
formula is taken from memory and I may not remember everything. Also,  
calories burned during workouts are not reflected in this formula. 

always, in good health:

Jamey B @ SSC
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:24:02 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Apr10.133410.2114@stat.appstate.edu>, grs02502@stat.appstate.edu writes:
> In article <17831@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) writes:
+ > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to increase your metabolism
+ > rate.  I jog (30 minutes) or bicycle (1 hour) everyday and in order
+ > to maintain my weight I have to eat next to nothing.  I know it is
+ > my metabolism.  The books that I have read say that if you exercise
+ > regular (which I do daily) that your metabolism will increase.  It
+ > doesn't work.  Any suggestions?
+ > 
+ > I don't mind bicycling but sometimes an hour is hard to fit into my
+ > schedule and the weather isn't always condusive.  I hate jogging but at 
+ > least I can fit it in and I can jog when the weather is bad or cold.  I 
+ > would like to be able to do aerobics twice or three times a week and not 
+ > have to worry about gaining weight. I also feel like you get a better
+ > workout with aerobics. 
+ 
+ 
+ 
+ You have stated your problem within your question.  If you eat next to nothing,
+ your metabolism can't speed.  I know this sounds strange because I was in the
+ same position.  I wanted to have some good muscle size and low bodyfat.  I
+ worked out and rode the bike and ate about 1500-2200 calories a day.  Well,
+ this got me virtually no  reductions in bodyfat and very nice losses in muscle
+ tissue.  I did the aerobics, why wasn't my metabolism speeding up.  I started
+ reading about this guy Parrillo who says he can make people force feed
+ themselves and lose weight.  He says the less you eat, the slower your
+ metabolism get.  If you eat the amount your body needs, your metabolism will
+ work fine.  


I basically agree with the response which was given. I might add that
the diet should *not* be the typical American diet of 40% or more 
fat. The percentage of calories of fat should probably be about
20 %, with the bulk of the the calories coming from complex
carbohydrates.

But yes, the evidence is that a starvation diet will indeed cause the
metabolism to slow down. Adequate exercise (45 minutes to one hour
of aerobic exercise several times per week) is also mandatory.
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From: jat@hpsemc.cup.hp.com (Joe Talmadge)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:54:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Need advice
Organization: HP VAB Programs
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

Sharise Phelps writes:
> I am a 5'3" female who is very overweight (about 100 lbs).  I have been
> working hard on the emotional factors that cause my overweight.  I have 
> learned a lot about nutrition and diet.  The thing that really escapes me
> is how to motivate myself to be fit.  I would like advice from those of you
> who know.
> Basically I have no outlet for this feeling other than getting discouraged and
> eating.  I also enjoy weight training, but I'm a cheapskate and the hassle
> of dragging the bathroom cupboard with me, finding cute excersize clothes,
> getting embarrased in front of fit people, paying for the membership, figuring
> out what to do with my kids, etc, is just too much to overcome.

Okay, here's a recommendation from left field: join a martial arts
class.  You don't have to worry about cute exercise clothes -- most
classes have either a standard uniform, or sweats and a t-shirt.  Take
a hard art like karate, TKD, hapkido, or a grappling art like jujutsu,
and you will *definitely* work off that extra energy.  And if you want
self-esteem, *this* is the place.  Check out several different clubs
and talk to the instructors about what you're looking for, before you
join any particular club.  Problems with the husband or kids?  You
might be able to get your husband interested in joining the club with
you.  And you may be able to find a club that teaches the kids; if
they have a kids class going on while the adults' class goes on, then
you have your "babysitter" right there, and your kids will learn
self-esteem and discipline.

I find that martial arts and weight training reinforce each other.
Training in the martial arts motivates me to hit the gym in order to
do some supplemental lifting and aerobics.  And weight training
motivates me to hit the martial arts club to learn how to use my
new-and-improved muscles!

Don't worry about being embarrased in front of fit people.  First, not
everyone at the club is "fit".  Second, the environment is generally
very supportive.  

Feel free to email me if you'd like help choosing a style or if you
have any questions.  

cheers,

Joe
jat@cup.hp.com
From: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: re: Calories burned while thinking
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:39:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.Bw17iB1w164w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


GU7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
 
> I've read and seen posted here and in other groups information
> about the amount of calories burned during various physical
> activities.  However, no mention is ever made of the number of
> calories burned while thinking.  I'm not talking about sitting
> on the couch thinking, I'm talking high-powered,hard-work,geez-my-
> head-hurts-when-I'm-done thinking. 
 
 
I've noticed this too.  At the end of four hour exams I am a 
lot more hungry than when I just go four hours the same time 
of day normally without food.  Nothing gets me hungrier than 
taking tests, and I have a fairly active lifestyle.           


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From: ewm@mdavcr.mda.ca (Eric W. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Need advice on weight gain supplements
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:17:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: carto.2307
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3


I am quite tall, with a slim bone structure.  I have always been 
somewhat skinny;  my metabolism seems to chew through whatever I
eat.

I have been working regularly out for about 1.5 years, and initially
I made some good gains (about 15 pounds in 3 months - amazing for me).

Since then, however, my weight and strength seem to have levelled off.
I have tried to eat larger or more frequent meals, but to no avail.


I have been thinking about trying a protein powder or some other
supplement.  Any advice out there about anything that works and
is edible?


Eric
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