From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:38:28 GMT
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Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Nov8.071005.10866@colorado.edu>, drew@ladymacb.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.223427.22341@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> Much of Colorado is not as backwards as the conservative, religious,
> eastern (and flat) communities that backed Ammendment 2.  The amendment lacked 
> support in the more liberal, (and mountanous) communities like Boulder and 
> Aspen that have had gay rights laws for years.  Three hundred protestors
> showed up at one of the Democrat victory parties. Boulder's mayor has announced 
> intentions of naming the city of Boulder as a plantif in a suit against the 
> state of Colorado to have the law declared unconsitutional.  

  Obviously a plurality of the people are either conservative and
religious or they are easily dupped by their outright lies. No matter
how you shake or bake it, amendment 2 passed despite the best intentions
and work of many.

> >  But you say that only the innocents will be hurt? I find it
> >difficult to be too sorrowful when a class of people have just
> >been told they are persona non grata. What about them? This
> >seems to me to be a classic case of blaming the victim.
> 
> Amendment Two pased 54% - 46%.  So you're going to punish the 46% 
> of the state that supported gay rights, towns like Aspen that had 
> local ordinances protecting gay rights, and other communities that 
> are already taking legal action against the state?

  What else is going to send a message to the religious right that
their actions are not without consequence? I will agree that not
all people in Colorado are of the hard core hating type. They probably
do not see through the lies that the CFV folks are spreading. What
is going to change these peoples minds though? Targeting a highly
visible industry even though it might not be at the center of the
controversy is something that will give everybody pause to see what
their true resolve is.
  Besides, being in Colorado I would suspect you'd enjoy a vacation
from tourists :-)

> Isn't this an generalization, a prejudice, the same thing you're 
> trying to fight?

  What other tools do I have? I am open to suggestion.
 
> >  What if Colorado had just passed an amendment which repealed
> >anti discrimination legislation against say race, but not 
> >religion. Could you in good conscience spend your recreation
> >money there? 
> >  The situation is directly analogous.
> 
> All of Colorado isn't backwards.

  Enough of it is though. Look, it pains me as well since I had
scheduled a trip to Aspen early next year. The question I have to
ask myself, and everybody should ask themselves, is whether the
destination deserves my business. Considering the situation that
has just transpired, it is very difficult for me to spend my money
there knowing that I will be playing right into the hate mongers
hands: "nobody will care, we can do whatever we want with our
straight,white,god-fearing state".

> And what about other states that haven't managed to pass 
> similar legislation, but have had enough support in certain
> areas to get it on the ballot?  Ie Oregon?

  Oregon actually pains me even more than Colorado since I have
a good number of relatives there and spend about 2 months
out of the year up there. Oregon, in defeating the very hateful
Measure 9, is at least still alive though. 

> Maybe we could pass a law legalizing discrimination against 
> hateful right wing reactionaries... 

  Hee, hee. 
  Tut, tut. That would be the special rights they claim we want :-)

> Microsoft is responsible for propogating the evils it calls DOS and Windows, 
> IBM for AIX (appropriately called Aches by those having to administer it), but 
> marketing's sins don't come close to those of legal departments.
> Boycott AT&T for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit.

  Oh, oh! But New Jersey's economy would collapse, and all of those
innocent operators who've never heard of the BSDI would be layed off...
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