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From: ckhan@bbn.com (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Leading Test Averages.
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:24:07 GMT
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In article <199301280220.AA22282@sol.deakin.OZ.AU>, drinnen@deakin.edu.au (Philip Shead) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan25.203242.11514@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> >If by leading allrounder you mean a player who would have made the team solely
|> >as a batsman or as a bowler then I would say Sobers then Botham with the rest
|> >scrambling!
|> >McBean

|>  Now hang on a minute Keith Miller would make Botam look like a hack. 
|> Statistically, realistically and characterly (hmm) superior. I would
|> rate allrounders as Sobers, and Miller then the rest.

I'd have to go with Sobers and Miller.  Whenever we sit around to pick our
all time favourite Test teams (as cricket fans are occasionaly known to do :-)
I *always* start with Sobers, Miller and Bradman and then everyone else
follows.

Chico

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From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Dream Team of 80's
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:32:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <6693@falcon.ukc.ac.uk>, rsp@ukc.ac.uk (R.S.Pickett) says:
>
>In article <1jo5crINN51n@sunaus.Aus.Sun.COM> peterm@pinhigh.Aus.Sun.COM
>writes:
>>My dream team of the 80's is as follows -
>>
>>       1.      Sunil Gavaskar(Ind)     Gordon Greenidge(WI)
>>       2.      David Boon(Aus) Geoff Marsh(Aus)
>
>How can you put Boon ahead of Greenidge on 80's performance. Boon's
>run of form has been mainly in the 90's.
>
sure he can. its *HIS* dream team after all.

Stay cool,
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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: 1980s Dream Teams Matchup
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:24:00 GMT

In <1993Jan21.185034.11433@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>From memory here is Richards' test record.  Incidentally he holds the record
>for a long-term captain without a series loss (12 of them).  The 90/91 tour of
>Pakistan is not included as I seem to remember Richards staying at home for an
>operation.  Whether you like him or not, the record is superior to any of his
>contemporaries!

[stats deleted]

>In terms of series he won 7 drew 5.  Whether he was inspiring or not is a
>question best answered by the WI cricketers he captained.

	Would you agree that Richards inherited a *great* team, and left 
behind a much weaker, less successful team? Of course, he alone isn't to
be blamed for the relative decline of the Windies but surely you can't
compare his captaincy with that of Lloyd, Brearley or Imran? Seemed to me
that he wasn't exactly an inspirational captain who could get his team to
rally behind him - but no, I am not one of the cricketers he captained. :-)

P.S. This has nothing to do with Richards the batsman!

>McBean

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From: bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Another question(was Re: Javed's attitute and a question.)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:05:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.223917.21086@julian.uwo.ca> raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:

>Thanks for clearing up confusion. What will happen if ball rebouds from WKeeper
>pads, or chest gaurd of closein fielder? 
>
	Out.

Ciao
Bhaskar { The Bearcats are gonna crush UAB today !!}
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From: aamir@cs.sfu.ca (Aamir Husain)
Subject: this is a test, shastri Hai Hai, not my thought
Keywords: shastri Hai Hai, not my thought exactly
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:46:22 GMT


this is a test, pllease ignore
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From: divaka@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: Madan Lal
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: eunet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:49:55 GMT

Thank you very much for the Madan Lal update. I always admired him for
his spirit. He would always give hundred and fifty percent of himself
to his team. He was perhaps limited in talent, but always used it to 
the fullest. One of the greatest tryers of Indian cricket. Nice to know
that he is equally enthusiastic at every level of the game.
                                Thanks again,
                                                        ajay
From: drinnen@deakin.edu.au (Philip Shead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 1 little run...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:01:32 -0600
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In article <2844@grivel.une.edu.au> dcampbel@neumann.une.edu.au (King Arthur) writes:
>
>Healy should not have been given out in the 1st innings when the ball
>deflected off his arm, not the bat or glove. 
 Now which one was this, was this where he chased a wide ball and dragged  in
onto his stumps, or the one where he chased a wide ball and edge it halfway
up the bat to Hooper. I don't know who you were thinking of but it wasn't Healy.
Healy played two bad shots to balls that didn't warrant it, but heck he wasn't
on his lonesome in that respect.
From: heard@postoffice.utas.edu.au (George Heard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Rain stopping play...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:33:39 -0600
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Rain has stopped play at 3:05 pm in Adelaide. Here is the Australian card
thus far...



M. Taylor       c. Hooper b. Bishop       1
D. Boon         retired hurt              2
M. Waugh        c. Simmons b. Ambrose     0
J. Langer       c. Murray b. Benjamin    20
Extras                                   24
                                        100 / 3

S. Waugh        35
A. Border       18

More later...
George
From: pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli)
Subject: Re: Javed's attitute and a question.
Reply-To: pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:29:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.180619.3131@julian.uwo.ca>, raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan19.063117.6718@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, robert@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Robert Van Doorn) writes:
|> |> In article <1993Jan18.181913.25824@cc.gatech.edu> pkohli@cc.gatech.edu (Prince Kohli) writes:
|> |> >
|> |> >It's definitely not out. Something similar happened recently in RSA,
|> |> >when Manjrekar hit a ball hard onto the short leg's helmet - the ball
|> |> >then looped up and the fielder claimed a catch, which the umpire upheld.
|> |> >Manjrekar protested and the umpire declared him not out. Something
|> |> >like this had apparently also happened in B'bay before.
|> |> >
|> |> About 9 or 10 years ago here in Australia we had a situation in a test match 
|> |> where the batsman bottom edged a cut shot onto the keepers boot (he was up 
|> |> to the stumps for the spinner), the ball popped up and first slip took the 
|> |> catch. The umpire judged this as out. How is this different from hitting the 
|> |> ball into short leg's helmet and another fieldsman completing the catch???
|> |> 
|> |> Rob, AAITP. 
|> 
|> I think if the ball rebounds from the helmet and someone completes
|> the catch, then the batsman is out. But if it got stuck in the Helmet
|> then five runs will be awarded to the batsman.

Well, I recounted the incident about Manjrekar above and I realize that
I should have worded it differently. As a matter of fact, the shortleg
himself was the one who caught the ball as it bounced off his helmet.
Also, the commentator was pretty sure that it was a not out.

Cheers,

-Prince
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Subject: Re: Changes needed for Perth test
From: WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA)
Date: 29 Jan 93 07:37:54 +1000
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In <rakesh.728025433@sungear> rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU writes:

> What about Australian test side for Perth.
> 
> Mark Taylor needs a break for same reason as Dean Jones, performance in test
> matches.  For last 16 innings he hasn't crossed 50.  Matthew Hayden can
> make debut at Perth.  I doubt selectors will take two spinners in
> Perth (or any spinners at all).  How about debut for one or two pace
> bowlers Julian or Angel or Reiffel (ofcourse he has played 1 test)?
> 
> Any comments?

I agree about Mark Taylor. I would open with Justin Langer (he's done quite a
bit of opening for WA) and have Martyn in the side. As for the bowling, I'd
play at least one spinner (May). Even though the pitch at Perth doesn't spin
*that* much, it has good bounce, and the ball comes through pretty well. Bruce
Yardley always bowled well at Perth.

So my changes for the Perth test would be Angel for Warne, and Martyn for
Taylor.


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From: sgs1679@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Re: Indian Team for 1st Test
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:09:52 GMT

In article <1jnadmINNm84@nyquist.usc.edu> shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Shivanand Bhajekar) writes:
>In article <6687@falcon.ukc.ac.uk> rsp@ukc.ac.uk (R.S.Pickett) writes:
>>
>>I've just heard the Indian team for the first test. Here it is:
>>
>>Azharrudin   (capt.)
>>Sidhu
>>Raman
>>Kambli
>>Tendulkar
>>Sharma
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>
>Which Sharma is this??????
>

Just thought that I would begin a list of all the Sharmas who have played
in test-matches/one-dayers for India :

Chetan Sharma (probably this is the Sharma that the original poster
               was referring to)
Yashpal Sharma
Madan Lal Sharma
Parthasarathy Sharma

Any additions ?


>>Amre
>>More
>>Kapil
>>Prabhakar
>>Srinath
>>Chauhan
>>Raju
>>Kumble
>>
>>
>>
>>Rob.
>
>

Regards,

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From: rajesh@ivy (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Selfish Gavaskar & Shastri
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:12:50 GMT
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S Govindarajan (govindra@maya.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: In article <1jv1evINNkre@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
: 
: IMHO, the best Indian OD player was Srikkanth. I would rate him among
: the best in the world for his capacity to hit off both spin and pace.
: Certainly, he has the best record for an Indian against the WI and
: Pak, two of the best bowling teams in the mid 80s.
: 

	I'd rate Srikkanth as the best hitter of any kind of bowling.
	Absolutely fearless, he was (sigh :-() But to say that he was
	the best one-day batsman is, in my opinion, an exaggeration.


--

Rajesh Raman

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From: j_graham@vger.nsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: West Indies team for fourth test
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:04:40 EDT

I cannot believe that the West Indies have dropped Jimmy Adams.
If you have 4 fast bowlers, we do not need Hooper's bowling and we
probably need Adam's batting more.  Besides Adams has earned his 
place in the team. 

With our suspect batting lineup, I think that 7 batsmen should be tried
in this test. If we had failed to win with 7 batsmen then I could see us
gamble some more. Anyway I am rooting for them.

Jonathan Graham (Bajan on the net)
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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: Indian team
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:50:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.152402.6995@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, vasa@colu
|>    India: Mohammad Azharuddin (captain), Navjot Sidhu, Woorkeri Raman,
|> Manoj Prabhakar, Vinod Kambli, Sachin Tendulkar, Praveen Amre, Kapil
|> Dev, Kiran More (wicket-keeper), Anil Kumble, Venkatapathy Raju and
|> Rajesh Chouhan
|> 

No Srinath -- this is inconcievable... well, it is concievable, it has
happened:-)  Anyway, since I sincerely doubt the assertions that Kambli will
be asked to open (good way to run a promising career aground), looks
like its between Raman and the 5th bowler (probably Chauhan).

I suspect that they will play all 3 spinners (the article also said cracks
were appearing now on the pitch) and Raman will be the drinks man -- Manoj
Prabhakar will open, but it should be OK as I suspect the 3 spinners
will do the bulk of the bowling...

Of course, they could go with the safety first route and play Raman
and drop Chauhan/Raju, but with the axe already placed on Azhar's
neck, I think his response will be to revert to his instincts and
come out guns blazing... so Raman carries the towels...

One quick comment -- I agree that virtually any lineup (either Prabhakar
or Kambli or Raman opening with Sidhu) will succeed for the most
part in India (possible exception being the first innings of the Madras
test) -- however, we need to select openers and players who will prosper
outside India ... this Test, especially with England's woes, India look to
be slight favorites...

Bharat

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From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Shivanand Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 'Gavaskar the Great'
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:18:37 -0800
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	stuff deleted [...]

>Test !
>	
>	I'm still wondering to this day : What would Sunny have done if India
>had not managed to collapse in the semis of the Reliance Cup and lose to 
>England ? The final was to be played in Calcutta. 
>	Any Sunny fans out there who can throw some light on this hypothetical?

	Why do you think Gavaskar allowed himself to be bowled through the
	gate ( a good length ball) from DeFreitas at Bombay?

	Just Kidding!

	Shivanand Bhajekar

> 
>Cheers !
>
>Guru Prakash


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From: rohanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Koduvayur Kri Chandran)
Subject: Re: Stats on Shastri needed
Keywords: Shastri, Cricket
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 03:14:14 GMT

In article <karnik.727843724@deci> karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:
>
>I only have his Test stats (thanks to Rob Pickett):
>
>Batting:
>
>Name     Tests     Inns     No     HS      Runs      Ave     100's     50's
>Shastri   80       121      14    206      3830     35.79     11       12
>

Would be interesting to see his stats as opener....
I'd wager that they're a lot more impressive than the above.

Rohan

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From: 000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Ravi Shastri (Indian team for 1st test)
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:01:00 GMT
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In article <C1AM9s.875@rice.edu>, pvr@rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao) writes...
> 
>In article <C1A61p.8Bn@cup.hp.com>, pshah@cup.hp.com (Pankaj Shah) writes:
> 
>|> By the way, it is not necessary for Prabhakar to open the bowling.
>|> Srinath can.
> 
>Srinath is about the worst batsman in the team. Despite some decent scores,
>he can be classified as a bad batsman. There's absolutely no way such a guy
>can be asked to open a test innings.
> 
>I agree with all other comments you made.
>-- 

I guess the OP was talking about Srinath opening the bowling and not
batting.  Now, do I see something between the lines ;-).

Oooo, Btw PVR, when is your 10 page article about your trip going
to come to rsc.  I heard you filled up your memory cells with lots
of cricket news from you know where.  And how was the trip.

thanls
~sandeep
> 
> 
>PVR

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Subject: Re: a question
From: WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA)
Date: 29 Jan 93 08:50:58 +1000
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In <1993Jan26.164341.11618@usl.edu> zxs6373@usl.edu writes:

> >Viv Richards scored the fastest century in test cricket. Of how many 
> >balls did he score it. I would also be grateful if anyone is able to tell 
> >me when he scored it. I think it was in 1986 I am not sure
> >thanks in advance
> >Rajesh
> >
> 
> I think he scored the fastest century in 56 balls against the touring English
> team. 

Just out of interest, the fastest first-class century was by David Hookes
against Victoria. He took 34 balls to do it. He was annoyed that the opposition
captain, Graham Yallop didn't declare until very late, so he went and opened
the innings. He hit the first ball of the innings for six, and went from there.
His fifty took 17 balls. Must have been a pretty phenomenal knock.

I think Simon O'Donnell scored 50 off 18 balls in the '87 World Cup against
someone. India perhaps. Could someone confirm this. Also, does anyone else know
of any fast scoring knocks similar to the above ??

Thanks.


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From: an5802@anon.penet.fi (The Inquisitive One)
Subject: WHY CRICKET?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:07:02 GMT


I stumbled upon this network as i am interested in insects.

I was surprised to learn that its a sport. Then someone told me that its like baseball but not as interesting.

Can someone out there describe this sport to me?

AND WHY IS IT CALLED CRICKET AND WHERE & HOW DID IT ORIGINATE?

Thanks
LORD CHIRPER

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From: ckhan@bbn.com (Chico Kahn (Room # 20/317 B))
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Subject: West Indian Batting
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:41:05 GMT
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Forwarded from IN%"hduncan@pathfinder.rutgers.edu" 28-JAN-1993 11:43:29.17

p.s. I have problems posting stuff on the news groups. Could you mention to
people who keep referring to WI batting as arrogance that while they may see
as arrogance, most of us (WI) see it as agressive and entertaining (though
unwarranted at times), not arrogance.

Hibbert Duncan


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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Re: A Question?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:43:49 GMT

In article <25JAN199322573546@vill.edu> 000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
>Who is the only batsman from Asia; rather the subcontinent to have
>scored a century before lunch on the very first day of a test match.
>And no it is not Farook Engineer 8)

Majid Khan, against New Zealand in 1976 (Miandad's debut series). Others who 
have performed the feat in Tests include Victor Trumper and Don Bradman (any
others?). I think Engineer once got to 94 before lunch against the West 
Indies; I remember hearing a story that he got his century in the over after
lunch.
From: bmohan@pepper.rutgers.edu (bulusu mohan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Lowest individual score NEVER made !
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:16:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I don't know if I am the first one to pose this question, but it has
intrigued me for quite some time. Leave alone knowing the answer, I 
do not even know how I can ever find the answer. Except, of course,
by posing it to the pundits of this newsgroup ! So, here it is.

What is the lowest individual score in a test innings NEVER made by 
any batsman ?

Obviously, the answer is no more than 366. In fact, I feel sure it
is less than 200. But, I'd be very surprised if it is less than 50.

Mohan
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