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From: "Victor Kuan                                                " <kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: American society
Keywords: names
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:29:06 -0500

In article <1992Sep06.220925.1549@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:
>
>> Just curious. What is this regarding to?
>> This is a long story regarding the welfare system of US and how one
>> group of people work harder and get less and how the other group
>> work less and get a lot more.  Long story.
>
>>This is it! This is what I want to talk about.
>
>>The other day my wife was in a chinese jewlery store and the owner of the store
>>was talking to her daughter "...it's getting late. Go do the grocery. I have
>>the food stamps here." I could see their Mercedes right at the front door but
>>these people were still taking advantage of the food stamps. How do they do
>>it? 
>
>It is ashamed that many immigrants are taking advantage of the welfare
>system - the welfare system is designed for people who are 
>unable to work or are in a position that need help.  Many

	Well, it depends on what kind of immigrants you are talking about.
	Not all the immigrants come here as rich as those from Hong Kong
	or Taiwan... Even though I know not all the HK immigrants are
	that rich...

>new immigrants, however, expect the US, Canada, (Australia?) govt to
>hand them money when they arrive.  I find it disgusting for 
>what they do.  "Benefit comes with duty" and there should be NO benefits
>when no duty is performed.  Why should the US govt give these new immigrants
>money when they have not even pay a dim of tax?  (There are exceptional
>cases where the new immgrants are true refugees.)  We have to change
>these behaviours if we want to win others' respect.  
>-- 
>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
	I think that we are talking about the work ethnic/attitude...
	Some of them aren't given the opportunity by the society though.
	Of course, there are bad 'apples' too!


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From: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: You can tell ...
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:28:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep04.200615.13002@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>...  
>I went to a small highschool outside Toronto in 1981.  At that time, they
>were so amzed by my pen twirling that they wrote an article in the 
>school newspaper.  I still have it with me and I wanted to share it with
>you all.
>...  
>I even held demonstration in the school cafeteria to show all 
>the Canadian kid to PEN TWRILING. :)  Some good memories. :)

That's a good one.  I had one too, athough it wasn't that great.  During the
final week of the Spring semester 92, I was studying with 2 American girls
for our last final exam.  Somehow they suddenly asked me if I could spin pens
I showed them that I could do it in both directions.  They were amazed and 
told me that they have never seen anyone do it backward.  The next hour, the 
study room was filled with the sound of pens falling onto the table! 

I used to be able to do it in both directions and both hands simoutaneously! 

Andrew 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui)
Subject: Weighing units (pounds, kilogram, etc... )
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:03:27 GMT

Could anyone verify the following facts about the weighing units we use
in the markets in HK ?
1. 1 Kilogram = 2.2 pounds
2. 4 pounds   = 3 catties (spelling?) (pron.: gun)
3. 1 catty    = 16 "nurn"-s (can someone supply translation?)

The funny thing was that a guy from PRC holds it very strong that 
there are only 10 "nurn"s for 1 catty in PRC. And 1 catty is 
exactly 0.5 kilo-gram. 

Is this a real difference across the boundary?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: volker@nsc.nsc.com (Volker Soffel)
Subject: money transfer US->HK
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:55:41 GMT

The title basically tells it all, what is the best way to transfer
money from the US to HK? Could you simply send a personal check that
the recipient could cash (or put on his account) at a HK bank?
Or could you send a cashier's check (would a HK bank cash a cashier's
check in US$?).
I know that I could wire transfer the money, but that's probably the
most expensive way. I would appreciate any tips from people who have
done transfers in the past others than wire transfers.
Thanks for your help.

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From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: How to tell if he/she is from HK?
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:27:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Not many people figure out on their own that I came from Hong Kong...I am 
dressing more and more like an ordinary American (i.e. not very stylish). 
Although my pen-spinning, which I learned the year before I came over, 
sometimes gives away my origin.  I haven't been to Hong Kong for a long
time and there aren't too many Hong Kong students here, so I don't really
know how Hong Kong young people dress and act now.  

Ray
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: felixcat@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Wong Hung Lurk Felix)
Subject: Old Boys of Wah Yan College Hong Kong 
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:18:55 GMT

		Anyone in the internet is the old boy of Wah Yan College
Hong Kong ? If so, why not we establish a UNIX communication network !
Mail, or even chat with each other, sharing about their good memories in
Wah Yan. It sounds a good idea, doesn't it ? 

		If you are interested in, reply this onto the news group
or mail me at "felixcat@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au" ! 

Felix the cat ..:)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Hong Kong
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:45:17 GMT

In article <BuJxHM.D3r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon) writes:
>chan@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep11.005217.12509@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, eektl@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Kenneth T Leong) writes:
>>more polluted.   But it seems to me that its only the people there have never
>>changed.  They are just as rude and greedy as they were 10 or 20 years ago.  
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>This really makes daily live difficult for those honest citizens.    
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>HS CHAN
>>chan@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
>
>
>	The taxi drivers, especially those come from mainland, are much worse
>	than five years ago.  Nowadays, taxi drivers don't give exact change
>	to you any more; they just charge you tips if you don't pay exact
>	fee.

	** It's a way of life in Hongkong. But Hongkong is not the only
	   place in the world where the cab-drivers need to be "tipped"!
	   I think it's a crime(legal??)!!!  
>
>	People are greedier.  A lot of netters have already mentioned how
>	the youngsters become more materialistic and big-spender-like than
>	their previous generation.  I won't repeat in here.
>
>	However, this does not necessarily make life difficult for those
>	"honest" citizens.  Very likely the stupid guys only suffer the worst. 

	** How would they suffer when they've taken away the money and gone??

>
>	I think Hong Kong is still a better place than many other city in
>	terms of living standard and friendliness.  We have cheap medication
							    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	** Sure???
 
>	service and food.  The streets are fairly well cleaned up (in most of
>	the places.)   I can't prove it to you that Hong Kong people are
>	friendly in general; but the students from Hong Kong in my school are
	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	** No comment actually - but I feel a large portion of our homefolks
	   are fairly "ice-old", while they appear to be somewhat sociable
	   people. I'm saying a portion of them anyway. Don't flame!  

>	quite friendly.
>

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: zsm91771@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (mei zhuo)
Subject: Calling all La Sallites from Hong Kong
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:03:53 GMT


clearing house and Mid-West Headquarters of HKLSCOBA
please send name, e-mail address, year of graduation (Form 5) to:
Christopher Wong, Class of 1967
e-mail address: 71155.3545@compuserve.com

there are La Salities studying at Normal, St. Louis, Chicago,
Madison, Ann Arbor & Indiana ... all are welcome to drop
by Chicago for vacation.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: 91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk
Subject: Pop Single Chart (9.13)
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:58:35 GMT

Hi everybody,

Have a good time on Mid-Autumn Festival?
We can't see a bit of the moon here since it was too cloudy, what about yours?

OK, here comes this week's pop single chart. Sorry that I missed the albulmn
chart, so, cannot post it up this week.

Well, may be, just to give you some fresh feelings, let us reverse the chart
this time....just like you're also listening to it!

=============================================================================
New Songs in the Chart (Commercial Radio 2 Chik Chak Chart)
=============================================================================
26. Lui Fong               Midnight Tenderness (Ng yeah won hing)
22. Andy Lau Tak-wah       Lover, Quees (Ngoi yun wong hau)
21. Vivian Lai Sui-yun     The rain season never come again (Yu gwai bud dzoi
                                                             loi)
20. Alan Tam Wing-lun      A heart that cannot leave away (Lay bud hoi dick
                                                           sum)
16. Alex To Tak-wai        Save the World (Tsing gau day kau) (Mandarin song)
13. Beyond                 Too proud of himself (Bud hall yat sai)
 7. Shirley Wong Ching-man A woman that is easily hurt (Yung yee sau seung
                                                        dick nui yun)
=============================================================================
TOP TEN IN THE CHART
=============================================================================
10. Dicky Cheung Wai-kin   I love you (No Chinese name)
 9. Kenny Bee              When you are next to me (Dong nei kau dzoek ngor)
 8. Veronica Yip Yuk-hing  White rose (Bark mui gwai)
 7. Shirley Wong Ching-man A woman that is easily hurt (Yung yee sau seung
                                                        dick nui yun)
 6. Law Tai-yau            Capital City (Sau dou)
 5. Yolinda Yan Cho-sin    Can you really forget me (Nei jun dick hall yee
                                                     mong gei ngor ma)
 4. Sally Yeh Sin-man      Red Dust (Hung tsun) (An old melody, new lyrics)
 3. Leon Lai Ming          My dear (Ngor dick tsun ngoi)
 2. Hacken Lee Hark-kun    Red sun (Hung yat)
 1. Sandy Lam Yik-lin      Beloved (Chung ngoi)
=============================================================================

Ok, that's all for this time. Hope you'll all enjoy it.

Something to announce here, since I'm going on a trip the next two Sundays, I
can't post the chart here for two weeks. I'll post it again when I'm back.

See you all laaaaaaaaater.

Aulina Chan from Hong Kong
(91066702@cphkvx.bitnet  or  91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk)
1992.9.13
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: "Victor Kuan                                                " <kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: American society
Keywords: names
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:24:57 -0500

I agree that there is no such perfect system (as we have been discussing
the US Welfare and Tax System). Those smart A*s can always do some tricks
to get what they want..... Rich/Upper middle people can always rely on
their Tax Accountant (those CPA - hey I am a "CPA" too! Chinese Party
Animal :) ) and Attorney to trick the IRS..... pay less tax... End up,
the poor what-so-called middle class people, 'straight forward' people
carry on the nation's burden.....

Chinese/Asian family have been known as what Bush called a model minority.
He didn't really find out that there are so many problem with us..... the same
thing happened in African-American, Hispanics, etc...... he just generalized
them and try to crown the Asian family......... every race has its own
problem....


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Software Specialist
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: World Banks Report on China Environment
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:17:34 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <10265@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> anthony@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <1992Sep10.200955.9493@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>>Come on, 1988 was ages ago.  I was in ShenZhen last Christmas and
>
>That's ShenZhen.   What about other cities ?
>
>>found the places extremely clean.  The bathroom is so clean and
>>they have people in every public bathroom in the tourist area to
>>serve tourists.  I haven't found cleaner bathrooms in anywhere else.
>
>Yes the bathrooms might be clean but what about how they treated the
>sewerage ?  Do they just let in run into the sea untreated ?
>Do they recycle ?
>--
In this case, you should blame the HK government first.  HK has
no recycle plan and chemical waste just flow out to the small
rivers or seas.  There is one not very far from where I live,
Wong Chuk hang.  And in Kwoon Tong, you can feel how bad the
air is.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leekfe@eecg.toronto.edu (Kim Fung Edward Lee)
Subject: Re: How to tell if he/she is from HK?
Organization: University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:03:41 GMT


	There has been a few articles talking about by looking at
outlooks, one could tell whether a person is from HK or not. 
Speaking of outlooks and appearances, I want to ask how would you
feel towards a guy from HK wearing a pony tail in N. America
and in HK. 

	The reason I asked is that I wear a pony tail my self and
felt quite normal and comfortable until I spent my vacation
last month in HK. I received quite a lot of attention when I was
in the Subway or walking on the street, although not rude ones.
Also with my N. American casual look, a friends sisters said that I
looked like a gangster/Big Brother! :)  

	Do you know of any HK friends who wears long hair? I personally
don't. But I know one member from Tai Chi and another one from
Beyond do! :)

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From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: Re: How to tell if he/she is from HK?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:02:28 GMT

vcsc1064@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kenneth Wong) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.205542.12878@csus.edu> jchow@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Johnny Chow) writes:
>>~s How to tell if he/she is from HK? 
>>>>Hi, do you know there is a easy way to tell whether a student in your class
>>>>is from HK? (In most cases) If she/he can spin a pen, she/he is from HK.
>>>>-- 
>>>
>>>A lot of mainland Chinese can spin a pen too....  This is not  an
>>>easy way to tell.......
>>
>>Oh, I though just by looking at the style they dress up is easy enough.
>>
>That's true, BTW, what kind of car that they drive, or the way they
>talking, etc.
>But, most of the time, we just can tell she is from HK, :))
>For guys, it isn't easy. At least, you can't tell I am from HK if
>you just looking at the style I dress, :))

Hmmmm.... I agree. By the way, why didn't anyone talk about spinning books
(for guys) and spinning handkerchief (for girls)? I still remembered when
I was in secondary school in HK, they were once a very popular "sport"!
However, I don't know anyone except some of my HK friends can spin books,
don't mention about spinning handkerchief.

Cheers,
Alan of HKPA.POPSTARS.
From: funnyfin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Weighing units (pounds, kilogram, etc... )
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:04:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.79430
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <eln235s.715946607@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:
>Could anyone verify the following facts about the weighing units we use
>in the markets in HK ?
>1. 1 Kilogram = 2.2 pounds
>2. 4 pounds   = 3 catties (spelling?) (pron.: gun)
>3. 1 catty    = 16 "nurn"-s (can someone supply translation?)
>
>The funny thing was that a guy from PRC holds it very strong that 
>there are only 10 "nurn"s for 1 catty in PRC. And 1 catty is 
>exactly 0.5 kilo-gram. 
>
>Is this a real difference across the boundary?
>
>-- 

	As far as I know the mainland government tried to change from the old
chinese measurment system to the metric system. But due to their intelligence,
they find the difference between the old catty and tael and the new kg and g
is too great. So they invented an intermediate, which is called the Si3 Gun1 
in cantonese ie "City Catty", and it should have only 10 taels  and equals 0.5
kg. In HK we still use the old catty , which is called Si1 Ma3 Gun1 , and is
different from the catty in mainland China.
  


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From: cheung@mathcs.emory.edu (Shun Yan Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Weighing units (pounds, kilogram, etc... )
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:11:27 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

In article <1992Sep9.002836.10625@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> 
mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN) writes:
'In article <eln235s.715946607@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au>, 
'eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:
'>
'>1. 1 Kilogram = 2.2 pounds
'
' you are probably right, but the actual figure is 1kg = 2.2046pounds

Gee, picky picky. Like pi = 3.14 is probably right :-).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: From Stars to Students.....
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:33:49 GMT

ins903u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (R.Wong) writes:
> Was just looking for some feedback on the subject of pop stars putting their
> careers on hold and going overseas to study. Two recent examples which I have
> come to know of is Alan Tam and Priscilla Chan. Correct if I am wrong, but I

Alan Tam came here for study? Someone has more info. on this?

I'm quite interested in what they are studying. (Well, maybe someday I have
chances to talk to them, so I better to do some homework now, right? :-)
John spreaded (insider?) info that Ms. Chan takes class in psychology. Now,
is that her major? Actually, psychology is a pretty interesting subject.
(I think Michael Hui Kwun Man has a degree in psychology, but I don't know
from which univ.) Within psychology, however, there are many specializations
(such as child, animal, sexual, behavioral, cognitive, etc.) Does John by
any chance know her specialization also? (I'll pray that she is interested
in my favorite one.:-)

> heard that these two went to America to do some studying..But amazingly they
> only did this for a short time..What did the gain through this short peroid of 
> time? ...

I think the first star-turn-U_student is probably Siu Fong Fong. I think
she got some sort of diploma (or degree?) in some media-related area.
What does she gain? Well, at least a few more boyfriends with degrees, 
right? But you can also ask the question, what can she lose? In her case,
I'd say, probably not much.

But so far, the one who attains the highest achievement (measured by degree) 
among this class of star-turn-U_students is Chan Mei Ling. She got a PhD
in education from Stanford and made headlines in Japan. Strictly speaking,
she is at best a half HKer. BTW, unlike SFF, CML went back to school after
her marriage.

Although I don't believe that university is necessary for everyone, nor I
believe that one who has attended university is necessarily better than
one who hasn't, I do think that university provides a unique environment
for one to explore, and in general, it enhances one's life perception as
well as opens up many opportunities. Whether one can make the best out of
university life is as the old expression says: Tong Toi Shik Farn, Gog
Ji Shou Heng. Let's hope that Ms. Chan can do better than SFF.

Steven
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