From: noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan)
Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:28:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.223810.17255@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
|> <1992Dec18.213300.4979@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
|> ><1992Dec18.003658.13726@noao.edu>, forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
|> >|> From article by madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann):
|> >|> > forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes: >
|> >|> > 
|> >|> >>Don't be stupid.   When the child trips of her own accord and is hanging
|> >|> >>over the cliff, all she has to do is answer "yes" or "no" to God's question:
|> >|> >>"Do you want Me to save you?"   He will not _force_ His saving grace on
|> >|> >>someone who prefers suicide.
|> >|> > 
|> >|> > Then if that's the case, kindly stop forcing your odious religion
|> >|> > on us good-hearted atheists.  Sheesh.
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> Sure, if you stop forcing death on unborn children.
|> >
|> >First of all, I'd like to point out that most pro-abortionists or
|> >pro-choicers are Christian.  Secondly, there do exist atheists who
|> >are pro-life/anti-abortion.  So, just what exactly are you implying here?
|> 
|> Sorry Mike, but the three admitted pro-abortioners on this net are hardly
|> Christian.  I'd like to know where you get your stats.

I admit that I don't have any statistics to
flash around, but I know many pro-abortionists that are Christian.  Do you
really think that the whole pro-choice movement is run by atheists?  If we
could organize that well, how come we have such a hard time keeping "In
God we trust" off the money and prayer out of public schools?  The great
majority of Americans are Christian, and I would contend that the pro-
choice organizations are a fairly representative cross-section of America.
I believe someone else posted some stats about the percentages of women
presenting themselves for abortion being Christians of some sort.
Once again, I have no stats at work here to support my claim.

Understand, that I use the terms pro-abortion and pro-choice synonymously.
Perhaps someone could explain the difference to me, but if your fighting
for the right for people to have abortions, aren't you pro-abortion?
Who cares whether or not you would use that right yourself, if you are
pro-abortion-rights, you are pro-abortion.
It seems to me that the terms pro-life and pro-choice are merely table
dressings, IMHO.

This is definitely one discussion in which I do not wish to get entangled.
I thought my first point was self-evident, and was not prepared to
defend it with stats.  My second point, I thought, was definitely not
apparent to Suzanne Forgach, but true since I know of at least one (i.e. me).
Her implication that atheists and atheists alone support abortion is false,
so I felt obligated to post.

|> Gordon
|> Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel, 
|> Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress), Beth 
|> "CJ", and Nadja, and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it.
|> [space reserved for alternate ex-girlfriends Eric R. and Drieux]
|> -- 
|> The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
|> of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
|> Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.

-Mike Noonan