From: mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Meloney D Cregor)
Subject: Re: rON bashing
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:05:00 GMT

In article <C0C3wv.Ltp@panix.com> jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) writes:
>Well, how abou this then.....
>
>"I think it idiotic to have to go to work and utilize modern technologies
>to spread YOUR words worldwide, but refuse to eat a ham-and-cheese
>sandwich because you might get condemned to whatever for it."
>
>The fact that YOUR is used as well as the statement "refuse to eat..."
>blah blah blah, are statements againsta a person.  Does an idea eat a ham
>and cheese sandwich?  Gimme a break....  If the statement were worded
>differently (maybe "I think it idiotic that one can spread ideas
>instantaneously using modern technolgies yet practices such as refusing to
>eat ham-and-cheese sandwiches still exist"....) it would be attacking the
>idea only, NOT the person....

Bullshit.  Great day in the morning, some of you folks really do LOOK
for ways to be insulted.

Mr. Szwergold, those statements are the same, in content and meaning.
There is such a thing as the generic you.
 
>Excuse this nitpicking grammar lesson, but "rON" assinine statement is/was
>a personal attack against personal beliefs, not a philosphical attack upon
>an idea.....

Again, bullshit.  It is a personal attack because you choose to interprete
it that way.  I will agree it is an attack on a belief, but up until
Shelly decided to make it personal, it wasn't.  It was expressing an
opinion against religion  IN GENERAL.  Judaism just happened to be the
one that spawned the discussion. I'm sure if someone had posted something
similar and limited themselves to Fundamentalist Christian, Baptist,
Catholic, whatever, rON's response would have been just about the same.

>What if someone came on the net and attack other religions in the same
>way?  Gimme a break.....

What of it?  Religions are ideas, if they can't stand to inspection or
if the mere act of doing so, is offensive, then they aren't very strong
ideas, are they?

Interesting, a co-worker was formerly of Islamic predisposition. He
is currently a devout atheist, I am not.  We bashed, clashed and rehashed
several religions and religion in general for most of the afternoon
without once getting personal.  I'm sure he thinks it idiotic of me to
hold with any religious views.  He also respects my right to be idiotic.

And THAT is the difference between expressing an opinion and intolerance.
At no time, did rON say she couldn't hold the views she does, that it
would not be tolerated, that it would be interfered with, etc.  He said
he thought it was idiotic.

>I am sick and tired of the B.S. being thrown that claims that somehow ONLY
>Jews are the only ones who marry or socialize within "their" group. 
>Please, show me one group that DOESN'T.  Any attempt to introduce outside
>elements into ANY group (wether that be gang, tribe, nation, race or religion)
>is always met with opposition.........

Exactly where did these claims arise?   Certainly not in this discussion.




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     Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
                                   -- Napoleon