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From: rjs4808@usl.edu (Smith Richard J)
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Subject: Automated Survey?
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:27:33 GMT
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Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

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I intend to evaluate a workshop I'm giving with an e-mail
questionnaire.  Unfortunately, it will be sent to 12,000 to 15,000
people, most of whom are new Internet users.

Does anyone know of any software that will automate this process?

Please reply to me directly.

Thanks in advance.

Richard J. Smith
University of Southwestern Louisiana
rs@usl.edu
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:33:05 CDT
From:         Alan Emtage <bajan@bunyip.com>
Subject:      Re: December Hunt Results, Pt. 1 of 3

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> From: lb05gate@UCSBUXA.BITNET (Rick Gates)
> Subject: December Hunt Results, Pt. 1 of 3
> ASIDE
> -----
> In response to the proliferation of Network tools named after cartoon
> characters (Archie, Veronica), I propose that we come up with a new
> maxim for Cybernauts:
>
>      "Just Use Gopher Heavily, Especially After Dark"
>
> Well, now for something completely different:

Just a short (but important) clarification on this, especially now that
we're in a "commercial mode" and somebody may come after us with a large
lawyer. :-)

The name "archie" does not derive from the comic book character.  You
will note that we don't ever capitalize the name... that's not just an
affectation but stems directly from the fact that the name derives from
the word "archive" (as in "anonymous FTP archive"). Those of you who have
talked or written to me directly know my feelings on the comic strip.

We've always said that with 5 minutes more thought, we could have gotten
it right :-)



--
-Alan

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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:31:54 CDT
From:         Cheryl Schoenhaar <cschoenh@hp.uwsuper.edu>
Subject:      email pals

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

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I am looking for persons interested in being "email pals" for
students enrolled in my Computers in Libraries class.  The class
runs from January 19 - May 14, 1993, and is part of the library
science minor program here at UW-Superior.  Students will be
required to discuss an issue a week with their pal, and keep a
journal of these discussions.  Issues will reflect topics covered
in class.  Anyone interested in being an email pal, please
contact me at cschoenh@uwsuper.edu by January 15, 1993.  Happy
Holidays!!


Cheryl Schoenhaar
Assistant Professor
Jim Dan Hill Library
UW-Superior
Superior, WI 54880
cschoenh@uwsuper.edu
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From:         "Anne H. Ross voice: 813 273 3624" <ROSSA@mail.firn.edu>
Subject:      RE: ownership of materials

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The message did not show who make the inquiry but I would be very
interested in the results also.  We meet your size criteria but the only
rotating collections we have do have an owning agency (e.g. our large print
books circulate in collections to our branches, etc.).  We have toyed with
various methods for some of our books on tape but I have been unable to
come up with something that works yet would allow us to call a branch for a
patron and have the item sent somewhere.

Anne Ross, Hd.
Fine Arts/AV/YS Depts.
Tampa-Hillsbrough Co. Public Library System
Internet:  rossa@firnvx.firn.edu
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:44:08 CDT
From:         Erwin Welsch <EWELSCH@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject:      Electronic Resources for European History

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Readers of PACS-L may be interested in the following guide:

The first version of a guide called "Electronic Sources for West
European History and Culture" is now available through the FTP site
ra.msstate.edu.  It has the title european.guide in the
subdirectory pub/docs/history/resources.

The guide identifies listservers and electronic newsletters or
ejournals in European history and related fields (particularly
literature), describes two history text archives, and will be updated and
expanded in future versions to include other electronic sources and
resources.

Corrections, comments, or additions to the guide are welcome.

Erwin K. Welsch
West European History Librarian
Memorial Library
University of Wisconsin-Madison
EWelsch@WISCMACC.Bitnet
EWelsch@vms.macc.wisc.edu
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From:         John Franks <john@math.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Novice vs. Expert vs. Compression

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Disk space is cheap and getting cheaper!  I don't think that compression
in order to economize on disk space really makes much sense any more.
If slow links are a problem and compression helps then offer the data
in BOTH compressed and uncompressed form.

In general it is a good idea to offer data in multiple formats.  We
are beginning to see this already.  Many documents are offered in an
ASCII version and a Postscript version or version in the format of
some particular word processor.  This is the way to move beyond ASCII.

You can make your information available in any format you choose.
But the format impacts on the utility of the information to others.
I had every right to post this message in Dutch rather than English,
but to do so would greatly impact my audience.  This is an important
consideration when considering compressing information on the internet.
If you compress in a format that you use, but which excludes users
of a different computing platform, then you greatly limit your audience.
To my mind the economies in disk space aren't worth it.


--

John Franks     Dept of Math. Northwestern University
                john@math.nwu.edu
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:44:42 CDT
From:         "Lee Jaffe,
              Microcomputer & Network Services" <jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Re: Congressional Information

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I asked the ALA Washington Office a while ago about reaching Congress
via email and they said that they weren't using email yet.  One can
hope that with Gore in the Executive Office this may change.
 -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz

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Chet asks a very good question  - where can we find the e-mail addresses of
congressmen? And can we reach the President and Vice President by e-mail? What
about the President-elect and Vice President-elect?  Thanks!

                                                  Toby
                                                   Amity@Yalevm
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:22:31 CDT
From:         "Peter M. Weiss" <PMW1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject:      ADA-LAW listserv

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There is a listserv list call ADA-LAW devoted to ...

* List: ADA-LAW@NDSUVM1   (ADA-LAW@VM1.NoDak.EDU)
*
* Description: The ADA-LAW list is for discussion of any aspect
* of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and other
* disability-related laws.

/Pete (pmw1@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:27:34 CDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:      For you Hard Core Users

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From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:      Hardcore Users
To:           Gutenberg Discussion Group <gutnberg@uiucvmd>

For you hardcore users out there who are not gone for the holidays:

We have opened up a test version of the etext93 directory which now
contains the latest World Factbook.  Have at it and let me know.

We have acquired 250 million digits of Pi and are thinking about an
assortment of compression and search techniques.  Suggestions are a
sound Christmas present.  We should have the whole billion digits--
from two separate sources--and will need to compare them.  This may
be more fun than one might think.  We also need to determine a best
way to present the file for users (line numbers?  spaces?  how long
should lines be?  etc.)

Keep looking in etext93 for Pi, Surfing the Internet or Anne of the
Island, which along with the Factbook should be our four etexts for
January 1993.  Stay tuned for more requests for volunteers, as this
coming year will require us to get twice as productive once again.

Happy Holidays!

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:22:01 CDT
From:         Lynda Browne <LBROWNE@NAS.BITNET>
Subject:      question

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I'd like to post a question to the list.

Our library is developing an "Information Resources Team".  The
charge to the team will be to identify and evaluate new sources
of information and to dissimenate the results to the
institution.

Has anyone done something similar?  If so, how did you proceed?

Please send responses directly to me:  lbrowne@nas.edu or
lbrowne@nas.bitnet

Thank you.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:34:07 CDT
From:         "Sharyn Ladner, Business Librarian,
              University of Miami Richter Library" <SLADNER@UMIAMI.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Truman-Dewey facts

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Regarding Hank Harken's query about the accuracy of surveys
conducted on the Internet --

While it is true that if you are surveying a population of librarians,
e.g., academic librarians or special librarians, and you wanted to
generalize your results to the population, the best thing to do
would be to draw a random or systematic sample of a comprehensive
list of these librarians -- perhaps from membership directories of
professional associations, Gale Directory of Special Libraries, etc.
However, if you are interested in the "early adapters" of a technology
such as the Internet, then surveying from discussion groups is IMHO
a perfectly legitimate technique.  It all depends on who you consider
your universe to be.

In my research, I am particularly interested in special librarians
who are Internet users, so I use lists which are likely to have
special librarians as subscribers and contact them directly.  I
do not generalize my findings to special librarians as a whole,
rather, I consider my reference group to be users of this particular
communications technology.

Regarding Hank's example of library instruction using the Internet:
if you were looking for the incidence of, say, academic librarians
who use the Internet as part of library instruction, then you would
need to sample from the universe of all academic librarians (or
ARL libraries, if you only wanted to examine a subset of academic
librarians, for example).  But if you wanted to see how academic
librarians who use the Internet as part of library instruction, it
(oops - that should read: if you wanted to see how academic librarians
use the internet as part of library instruction) then it is acceptable
to use Internet discussion lists as your universe -- just don't
generalize to all academic librarians.

Hope this helps.

Sharyn Ladner
Business Librarian
University of Miami (FL)
sladner@umiami.ir.miami.edu
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From:         Marco Pirovano <PIROVANO@SIAM.MI.CNR.IT>
Subject:      How can I obtain the UREP sw ?

Hello,
could you send me information on how can I obtain the UREP sw ?
I would like to install it on a SUN SPARCTATION 10 with Solaris 1.1.

Please send information directly to me, because I'm not on this list
(at the moment ...).

Thank you very much for your help.
Best regards.

                                 Marco


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From:         William C Fenner <fenner@CS.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UREP 4.0 is now available

On Tue, 24 Nov 1992 06:31:13 -0500  "W. Holemans" wrote:
> 1) how much postage do i need to get the mail with the tape to Europe ?
> 2) as far as i know, i can't buy American stamps in my Belgian post office.

Our experience has been that Federal Express is our best bet at getting
packages to customers outside the U.S.  You can either provide us with a
Federal Express account number to charge the package to, if you already have
a FedEx account, or send an additional $35US to cover the postage.

  Bill Fenner
  UREP Support
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:32:35 EST
From:         Jeff Courtright <JCOURT@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Definitions of rhetoric

Victor--

Glad you joined in.  I especially like your phrase, "the ontology of the
rhetor."  Fits in nicely with my last response regarding publics.

While I'm taking a bit more time from my grading during finals week, let
me give one clarification and ask for one.  First, I sit corrected on the
behavior/action distinction.  Clearly, one is the subset of the other (and
boy am I embarassed).

Second, for Richard Freeman--I'm not familiar with Garfinkel's writing on
indexicality.  I'd like to know where to turn, but since I won't have time
this week to go searching anyway, could you give the network some context
for your questions regarding indexicality, reflexivity, and accountability
as YOU think they fit into a discussion of rhetoric's definition?

Thanks,

Jeff (JCOURT @ MIAMIU)
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From:         Harold Annen <hannen@UMAXC.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>
Subject:      Definition of Rhetoric (fwd)

For my own purposes, I tend to throw the net of
rhetoric fairly wide including within the scope of the discipline/project
any symbolic activity or artifact which influences the symbolic activity of
another.  I recognize there are problems with this approach, in particular the
lack of any hint of the concept of intentionality or a notion of the 'public'
(one-to-many) nature of rhetorical activity.  Certainly, these two ideas are
deeply embedded in the ancient conception of rhetoric.  To be honest, I would
not want to put this rather vague notion of rhetoric up against the clear and
concise definition that Aristotle gives.  Still, Aristotle's definition
creates problems of its own.  One that immediately comes to mind is the
emphasis his definition places on rhetoric as a theory intended to inform
discursive practices, and not necessarily the practice itself.  This may seem
an odd account of thinker whose work is dedicated to informing practice.

However, one notices in _On Rhetoric_ an absence of discussion on forms of
persuasion that do not fit into  toe most common forms (deliberative,
epideictic and forensic).  Also, he treats all rhetorical activity as being
intentional in nature.  My objection to this conception is based on the common
observation that people persuade other people all the time without knowing
anything about rhetorical theory.  I got a little away from the question, but
since we've mentioned the 'old dead white guys' I thought I might bring up
this bit of speculation.

Harold Annen
University of Iowa
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From:         Harold Annen <hannen@UMAXC.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: television

I've got ideas but no sources for you.  I'm not really sure about the
timing, but it seems to me that I WITNESS came right on the heels of the
Rodney King/LAPD affair.  The effect of home video material in that case
was nothing short of sensational, wouldn't you say?  I think it's safe
to say that TV producers would assume that anything that boosted New
Ratings would grab an audience independent of the "news-worthiness" of the
material.  Perhaps we've just become a nation of sensationalistic voyuers.
I've changed my mind, perhaps you might want to take a look at Guy
Debord's _Society of The Spectacle_ and its recent follow-up, the title of
which I can't exactly remember.

Also, its interesting to note that Peter Gabriel has been involved in a
project with Amnesty International (I think) to send videocams to activists
in countries where political repression and torture are common practices.
I mention this only because I doubt that any of their eye-witness material
will ever make it to I WITNESS.  What do you suppose their editing and
presentation policy is?

What about the relation between I WITNESS and AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME
VIDEOS?

Reality TV: the next best thing to not being there.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:58:39 -0700
From:         Richard B Freeman <jeanbob@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Subject:      Meaning of "rhetoric"

From what I understand (and, in my soggy mind, from what I remember), much of
the discourse around "what `rhetoric' means" has emphasized verbal
(correct?) gestures and their conditioning affect upon "behavior" (or action,
as one person...sorry about forgetting your name...argued). Is this
partial summary somewhat correct?  (Actually, I vaguely remember that the
argument was a bit harder.  Rather than "condition," I think that the
argument used "induce" or some other stronger, causal verb. Correct?)

From my perspective, rhetorical gestures (and I'd probably broaden
"rhetorical" to include kinesthetic gestures...being unable to separate
them from the verbal in my concept of meaning and indexicality) have a
more general meaning. I prefer to think of rhetoric as that gestural
process that mediates social relations.

Other than stating that such a concept of social relations would include
whatever domains are relevant to the inquiry, I'd prefer to keep the phrase
"social relations" somewhat vague (...rather than "operationalize" it...)
at least for now.) Such a meaning would make unnecessary the task
of specifying (objectifying...operationalizing...measuring) "behavior" or
"action."

By mediate, I mean "contextualize," in the sense that a somewhat
mutually known (in a "practical knowledge" sort of way)...or "agreed upon"
idea conditions group members' perspectives (and thus, their
"apperceptions" and "actions").  Of course, the idea will mutate...or
rather, social interaction and individual contemplation will mutate the
idea...and it will change through time.  And, of course, knowledge..the idea,
in my view, is somewhat individual and emerging (in Mead's sense). (And,
of course, the concept of the "idea" is a bit testy, in that it implies a
separate or objective entity...rather than a gooey organelle type of
construction.)  Thus, the measurability of the rhetoric, and its "effects"
becomes a bit cloudy...a bit diffuse.  But, then, to me, rhetoric seems a
bit diffuse anyway.  (I don't intend this statement to be perjorative.)

Anyway, some food for thought.

Rick Freeman
Northern Rim Project
Missoula, MT   59806
jeanbob@selway.umt.edu
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From:         Harold Annen <hannen@UMAXC.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: various meanings of "rhetoric

> On Mon, 7 Dec 1992, J. Courtright wrote:
>
> > It becomes the purpose of rhetoric, then, to gain the attention of
> individuals so that attitudes may be formed, strengthened, and yield
> some form of behavior, i.e., action.
>
> I'm interested in the use of action as a synonym for behavior.  Doesn't
> "action," strictly speaking, imply choice-making, while "behavior" is the
> word of choice for positivists who wish to study human action but, at the
> same time, assert that choice-making is only an illusion?
>
Two Coments:

1) It seems to me that not all persuasion requires the attention of the
audience.  Example:  There is some kind of economic disaster brewing, a
series of S&L's collapsing, perhaps.  An official of the government comes
on TV and discusses the matter in vague and non-commital language.  The
audience is comforted, not because of the message per se, but because the
very presence of the government official -- even if they don't say
anything important -- is persuasive that things are under control.
Subliminal persuasion anyone?

2) My professor has convinced me that the term "action" should be
reserved for intentional, planned, chosen activity.  I use the word
"activity" rather than "behavior" because of its positivist  connotations.
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