HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ralph@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (ralph.winslow)
Subject: Re: Have some respect
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:00:12 GMT

In <D2150056.j4l3m1@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
>ralph@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (ralph.winslow) writes:
>> Others have pointed out that Ronnie Rayguns was elected (gasp) and then
>> re-elected (Oh my God!!!).  But I think those facts pale beside the fact
>> that we'd seen Tricky Dick Nixon as a VP and elected him (words fail
>> utterly) and then, following Watergate, re-elected him!!!  Phineas T.
>> Barnum was absolutely dead bang.
>
>Well, in fairness to the American people, the series of scandals known
>collectively as "Watergate" mostly either became public knowledge or
>else occurred after Nixon's re-election. The Watergate break-in occurred
>before the election, but it wasn't until after the election that the
>break-in and subsequent cover-up was traced to key Nixon aides and to
>Nixon himself. Other Watergate-related scandals such as the break-in of

This is true enough if you demand "proof" that Nixon aides were invloved,
but it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who was responsible
for the break-in.  Who stood to gain anything by it?  No cash or objects
of value were removed, only documents relating to campaign strategy and
things of that type were tampered with.  I went to bed the night of the
election with joy in my heart that no-one could possibly not clearly
understand that Tricky Dick (or at least his closest pals) was/were
crooks, and hence, not to be voted for.  Imagine my shock the next AM
at a 49-1 landslide (electoral, not a big plurality, though).

>Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office being traced to Republican campaign
>workers, the Republican dirty tricks, and the White House "enemies list",
>did not become public knowledge until after the election. All of the
>Senate and House testimony, plus the evidence which resulted from the
>special prosecutor's investigation, the sum of which uncovered the heart
>of the scandals, happened after the election, as did related events such
>as the "Saturday night massacre", the release of Nixon's tapes and the
>discovery of the "eighteen minute gap".
>
>I think it's a testimony to the American system that a man like Nixon,
>who carried 49 states with 521 electoral votes in his re-election, had
>to resign in disgrace less than two years later when the truth about
>him and his aides became known.
>-----
>Eric Smith
>erics@infoserv.com
>CI$: 70262,3610

I can't disagree, but I don't feel that requiring a court-style burden of
proof beyond reasonable doubt should be required of my fellow Americans
to convince them to reject a person from the highest office we have to
offer.  I'm still disappointed in us, your mileage probably varies as
results from then til now have born out.

Ob-Qq:  If traffic in this group is any indication, rumors of it's
immanent demise seem to be greatly exagerrated.

Ralph
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear)
Subject: Re: Periods in Quotes (was Re: Have some respect)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle WA
	<BxvBEH.439@mail.boi.hp.com> <1992Nov17.224928.18047@netcom.com>
	<18NOV199212274610@cl2.cl.uh.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:50:54 GMT

In article <18NOV199212274610@cl2.cl.uh.edu> byers@cl2.cl.uh.edu (Unbeliever) writes:

   I said, "This is how punctuation SHOULD be used.".
   I asked, "Doesn't this make sense?".
   Did you say, "I agree with you."?

Rumor has it (this might be an urban legend) that back when printers
used cast lead type for printing that periods on the outside would tend
to break off and get lost.  Thus the stupid rule of all punctuation on
the inside was born.
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From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject:  Quayle watch?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
Distribution:  usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:07:30 GMT

Has our beloved veep spoken since November 6th?  Has anyone heard/seen what
he has said?  Is it worthy of a post?

If i wanted political discussion i'd go to a newsgroup which had the word
"politics" in it.

----

Joel:  Ed, are you hallucinating?
Ed:  Not right now.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Remember ...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:45:43 GMT

In article <kZ09TB2w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>> >
>> Well, I've heard that VP-elect Gore has written in his book on the environmen
>> that cars are a bigger threat to the earth than nuclear weapons.  And he's
>> our new VP??  Are you ready for 4 years of Gore jokes?
>>
>> :-)
>> Simon
>
>Actually, cars *are* a bigger threat than nukes.  Look at the amount of CO and
>other pollutants that cars spew forth in cities like Los Angeles, New York, DC,
>and Mexico City.  It's a safe bet that more people have died as a result of
>cars (between lung cancer and auto accidents) that have been killed by nukes.
>
I recently saw a NOVA program about photography from space, and the polution
you mention is clearly visible from 150-200 miles up (IMAX movies taken aboard
shuttle flights), so I'm not disputing that.  But people won't accept any
alternatives to existing technology unless it can be demostrated to be clearly
better (and more cost effective to operate) than the vehicles being replaced.
Simon
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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush and Dole Back in 1988 (was Re: RFD: alt.loathing.bob-dole)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:38:03 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
Distribution: usa
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> Dole has hinted of his interest
> in going after the 1996 nomination, but his bitter disposition would
> make him appear as a long shot to rally public affection.

Dole will be 73 years old in 1996. It's extremely unlikely that American
voters will vote for someone who would be four years older than Ronald
Reagan was when he became president.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Actual Dan Quayle Interview
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:04:43 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
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giovin@medr4.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> erics@infoserv.com writes:

> >People may not have gotten poorer as a whole (although the rich certainly
> >got wealthier as a whole), but what did happen was that their confidence
> >in the future of the economic system has been shaken to a degree not
> >seen since the depression of the '30s. Many people have lost confidence
> >that government can lead the country out of this mess. It's those fears
> >that led people to vote Bush out; he was seen as out of touch with the
> >concerns of average people.

> Where do you get this impression that only the 30's were worse than 
> today? Now that the election is over, even Clinton's people admit that 
> this is false.  On "This week with David Brinkley", Clinton economic
> advisor Robert Reich said that the current recession is not as deep
> as the 1981-1982 recession.

What I said was that people's confidence in the economic system hasn't
been lower since the'30s. This is my own opinion, and I believe it's
true. Confidence was certainly higher in the recessions of the early
'80s and the mid-'70s.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610


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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Guess who I just found...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:29:53 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
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> From: v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey)

>   Ever since November 3, 1992, there has been no good news for me or for America
> I imagine it will be some time before good news rains down on any of us, and it 
> was a shame to see voters get tricked into voting for a con man like Bill 
> Clinton.  To locate this bad news, one only has to look at Clinton's plan for 
> America as well as his record in Arkansas.  Remember the last Democrat adminis-
> traion- inflation sky high, as well as interest rates and gas prices.  Also 
> keep in mind it has been the democrats that got America involved in World War I
> and World War II, as well as Korea and Vietnam.

Well, I doubt there's really any hope for someone with this attitude.
One wonders how being tricked into voting for con man Clinton is different
from being tricked into voting for con men Reagan and Bush. It's news
to me that the president sets gas prices. And do you really suppose
that he thinks the U.S. should have stayed out of World Wars I and II?

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610


Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle is a hero
Keywords: Dan Quayl is a Zero
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:54:04 GMT

In article <BxxA44.49p@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v064mb7h@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Greg J Till) writes:
>post and give my hero Dan Quayle some support.

Greg, it is really dangerous to leave your terminal logged-in
and unattended.  Otherwise, some drooling moron will 
post inane messages under your account.  Be more careful!

>This genious...and political
>god if you will,

"Genious" should be spelled "genius".
And "god" should be spelled "goof".

>gets nothing but criticism from the mass public and the 
>liberally controlled media.

You mean, controlled by "liberals", or controlled liberally?
Adjective?  Adverb?  You be the judge!

>Im here to say that I feel sorry for Dan Quayle,

Has the International Apostrophe Cartel placed an embargo
on the importation of punctuation marks?

>and dont think that he deserves half of the criticism that he gets.

I feel sorry for him too, but only because he is married
to Marilyn.  Otherwise, Our Boy is just an average guy
with lots of money and powerful friends.

>The man
>is the greatest political mind in the White House,

Actually, he's second in political astuteness to Millie.

>what he spells wrong in no
>way reflects his political stature.  Until these sharks who harp on spelling
>can correctly spell every word in the dictionary I wish to hear no more.

Use the "u" key to unsubscribe to alt.fan.dan-quayle.

>And
>god forbid the guy has some oppinions on family values.

Which family values?  You mean, like preferring golf to sex?

>SHOOT ME

No, I believe in showing kindness to lower life forms,
who cannot help it if evolution gave them a bum deal.

>I too believe
>that a two parent household is necessary for a childs welfare.

Do you really mean "necessary", not merely "desirable"?

>Lets look at 
>Dan's record....He has never lost an election before this one.  
>This reflects  
>my firm belief that he did nothing but help the Bush campaign
>And the Bush 
>campaign did nothing but hurt him.

Only two weeks after the election, and already history is
being rewritten.

>I hope we see Dan back in full force in 96'
>we need some conservatism guiding this country.

We need an easy source of political humor!
Dan in '94!

-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams)
Subject: Bob Dole/Dan Akyroyd
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:46:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

I hope some of you were fortunate enough to watch the whole Dole performance
on "Meet the Press."  He's one scary MF!  Like George Bush with Dana Carvey,
Bob Dole seems to be working to perfect his "Dan Akyroyd doing Bob Dole"
impersonation.

I don't know what happened to Dole to put him in such a state, but he seems
to be one pissed off puppy!  You'd think he'd draw at least a little solace
that George Bush's dishonest campaign techniques didn't work this time.
--
Kent Williams -- williams@cs.uiowa.edu Work(335-4496) Home(338-6053)
There used to be an inflammatory quote here.


Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: the real Reagan record
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:03:33 GMT

In article <92324.223248KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.222353.20083@netcom.com>, madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi
>Hausmann) says:
>
>>ObQuayle: But if that happens, Kurt, your hero Dan notes that McDonald's
>>is hiring, so the economy must be doing fine.
>
>Well, I'll tell you what.  Unlike most of you, I'm not going to pout and
>whine and blame the -government- if I ever lose a job.
>
>------------
>Kurt Ludwick
>------------

	Kurt, neither would I.  The point is that many people who have
lost thier jobs can't find new ones, and Poppy did nothing about it.  That
is why he is getting into the Grandfather business.  BTW, did you see the
SNL thing on this --> "Grandkids would be flown to Iran, via Isreal, for
missles which would be shipped through BCCI to Central America..."  :-)


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From: pat@sphinx.phys.Virginia.EDU (pat walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Have some respect
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:20:42 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Physics Department

Eric Smith writes:

>At least Reagan didn't say "I don't recall being President".
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>No, I think it would take someone with more of a Quaylesque command
>of the language for that kind of statement.

Yet!  :-)

As far as we know!  :-)

- Patrick Walsh
  University of Virginia Department of Physics
  pw@virginia.bitnet, pw@virginia.edu, pat@gomez.phys.virginia.edu
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Remember ...
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:24:04 EST

In article <1992Nov18.220425.15654@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> Jason Merrill's comments on public transit deleted:
> 
> In many cities public transportation really does work.  My city (San Antonio)
> is plagued by gridlock, but the only public transit we have are buses, which
> share those same jammed-up roads.  Our bus system is grossly inefficient,
> inconvient, and just plain unreliable.  It gets the tourists around ok, but
> for many people 2-hour trips are common, with 45 minute waits sometimes at
> transfer points.  People are sometimes late getting somewhere because of
> buses running late.  Sometimes a 5 minute delay at a departure point becomes
> an extra hour added on to the trip.  It works in other places, but not here.

No offense Simon, but what does this have to do with Dan Quayl? Please
take alt.fan.dan-quayle out of the distribution list. Thanks!

-Garrett
From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Periods in Quotes (was Re: Have some respect)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:06:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division

AND NOW....

For something completely different:


In article <1992Nov17.130605.2568@gvl.unisys.com> train@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Herbert Rutledge) writes:
>
>  [Lots of discussion about NPR deleted]
>
>  A small grammatical flame.  The characters .". I assume to be punctuation
>  marks rather than UNIX C shell metacharacters.  If so, please be advised that
>  periods never appear outside of double quotation marks.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>

This is one rule of grammar I have never understood.  I didn't understand
it in grade school and I still don't get it.  I have always gone out
of my way to make sure I break this rule.  To me it makes perfect sense 
that the punctuation belongs to the sentence not the quotation - why
put it in there where it doesn't belong?  The grammar police have a slow
day at the office or what?


And now, "back to our regularly scheduled Quayle-bashing".  }8-)
		                                        ^^
From: sg@monsoon.com (Sunil Gupta)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: What are the chances of a Quayle presidency?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 09:49:04 EST
Organization: Monsoon Software, Inc.

jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:

> Four years is a HUGE amount of time in American politics, and I still have
> to laugh at Walter Mondale's column in May, 1991 in which he pleaded for 
> Democratic party to take the Presidential elections seriously and run a 
> serious candidate. A lot happened between May, 1991 and November 1992, 
> and even more is possible from now until November, 1996.

Many of us still chuckle when we remember the Republican claims
immediately following the Gulf War that the Democratic Party would
be forced out of presidential politics after the 1992 election
because they wouldn't be able to get over 25% of the vote.

Sunil Gupta
Monsoon Software, Inc.
sg@monsoon.com
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Have some respect
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:57:12 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
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elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

> I think that a senator who becomes veep could probably easily return to the
> Senate without losing face, since the Senate is regarded as the 'world's
> greatest deliberative body.'  However, I just can't see Danoe getting elected
> to anything ever again, not because he was veep, but because he's Dan.  After
> the revelations of just how stupid Our Boy is, he'll probably do better on the
> right-wing lecture circuit.

I think Dan would probably be able to get elected in Indiana except,
as has been observed in a.f.d-q before, there aren't any choice Indiana
offices up for grabs in the near future. But you're right that he'd
do better on the lecture circuit, because as an office-holder he'd just
have to explain his lack of a record. I imagine he'll use the example
of Richard Nixon, who between 1962 and 1968 hit the fried-chicken dinner
circuit to work for any GOP candidate who wanted him; IOUs that he called
in later.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
From: gbrown@Rosie.UH.EDU (G. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: The real Dan Quayle
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:42:33 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: gbrown@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

 At the 1964 Republic Convention
>Barry Goldwater had to plead "conservatism in the defense of liberty
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^   
Wasn't that "*extremism* in the defense of liberty . . ."? 

>is no vice", but he went on to a crushing defeat in the election. We
>are once again at the start of a period when voters want a more active
>government, similar to the mood of the '60s, and conservatism is likely
>to be identified with tired old trickle-down economics and government
>gridlock.
>
>-----
>Eric Smith
>erics@infoserv.com
>CI$: 70262,3610
>
>
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From: train@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Herbert Rutledge)
Subject: Re: Our Boy and Abortion...
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Paoli PA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:16:40 GMT

Edward J. Branley writes:

|> Heard yesterday on ABC Radio News that Our Boy made a speech (or at least a
|> statement) advocating a softening of the Racical Religious Right's position on
|> abortion.  Given that the Dannsterette is one of the Radical Religious Right,
|> does anyone have more on this?
|> 
|> |Edward J. Branley 


  Your wish is my command, Ed.  From yesterday's "Philadelphia Inquirer"
  from an article titled "Conservatism losing voters, pollsters say":

     Vice President Quayle, speaking to the governors yesterday, sought
     to minimize the internal party battle over abortion.

     "There are those who predict trouble on the horizon and say we are
     on the verge of some sort of factional war that will cause our party
     to break apart.  I could not disagree more," he said.  "There is
     considerable division within both parties on the issue of abortion...
     [ellipses in the original] But, let me say this:  When it comes to 
     the issue of abortion, we Republicans respect each other's views in
     a way Democrats do not, and we will continue to do so."


   Yo!  Dan!  Tell that to Marilyn!


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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Mr. Stupid Goes to Washington
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:57:53 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology

I saw a new novel with the above title in the bookstore.  The jacket
says it's about--of all things--a somewhat clueless and inexperienced
rich newspaperman's son who ends up as US Vice President.  The book
has a disclaimer that the characters in the novel are completely
fictional, and any similarity between them and anyone living or dead
is just a coincidence.  The disclaimer then says "but if the shoe fits,
wear it".
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu) "[George Bush] is a man
 who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple." --Jim Hightower
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:32:48 EST
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: the real Reagan record
 <BxrHru.JCs@math.uwaterloo.ca> <1992Nov16.222353.20083@netcom.com>

In article <1992Nov16.222353.20083@netcom.com>, madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi
Hausmann) says:

>ObQuayle: But if that happens, Kurt, your hero Dan notes that McDonald's
>is hiring, so the economy must be doing fine.

Well, I'll tell you what.  Unlike most of you, I'm not going to pout and
whine and blame the -government- if I ever lose a job.

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle