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From: liewf@aix.rpi.edu (Water Reed)
Subject: Re: More replies (long...)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:32:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.125116.25869@eve.wright.edu> slam@eve.wright.edu (Sau Chun Lam) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.1378.a0012@moe.gov.sg> tansm@moe.gov.sg writes:
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                   |
Nah this is fictitious ----------------------------
>>Chee Keong Ng writes:
>>
>>> A graduate of National University of Singapore, 1986
>>
>>That makes you a very rich man or else your mum or dad must be very rich.
>>Else how on earth can you be studying in the US when you are suppose to
>>server your 3 years bond in Singapore?  Am I missing something here. 
>>If my assumption is correct, you must have put up close to S$200K to have
>>your bond defered.  You must be a rich guy then and should I then 
>>conclude that your IQ wasn't that high either? 
>>
>>Just a thought and we remember you. Have you fill up your PIPS form yet?
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Now we see the real picture. BIG BROTHER is watching you!!!!!
>

Nah! Perhaps you are just over-reacting.  Should read the text
more carefully.  Another point is that things that appear on 
s.c.a is not the whole truth if you know what I mean.

>As a reminder tansm or whatever, I do not particularly like your use of
>Internet to openly threaten an individual, rich, poor, grad or
>otherwise. If Chee Keong has not done his paperwork or whatever, GO
>THROUGH OFFICIAL CHANNELS. This is not the place for you to exercise
>your power or authority as a bureacrat. *THIS IS NOT SINGAPORE!*
>
>Get a life bud!
>
>

Ya the last line sounds threatening but if you read the lines 
above, you probably can see it is just a prank, I believe. You 
see the writer ain't sure if Chee Keong has got the clearance
or otherwise, so it can't be someone from moe 8). Well, many time
we have seen things on the net that need to be taken with more 
than a pinch of salt. Remember the cats and oranges? Anyway 
the return path of the poster is indeterminate/unreachable!!!!
If I were you , I would not worry too much about this BIG 
BROTHER thing. 

Just my 2 cents worth

Water Reed


>SC Lam - slam@eve.wright.edu


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From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 02:04:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.201527.23758@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <92098.231232MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>he has to learn like any other malaysians big or small that malaysia
>>is a whole package. you cannot just open the box and take whatever you
>>like. it is the whole box or nothing at all. as a malay, i have
>>respect for a ruler if and only if he is just and has proven worthy of
>>my respect. if he really loves his people, then he will pay up his
>>taxes. this money can be used for many things.  $2.1 million can pay
>>for a lot of new books for schools, medical supplies for the rural
>>areas and small developments in kelantan itself.
>
>
>	Let's get something straight here: the $2.1m will not go to
>the state government, but to the federal's.  Given the federal
>government's refusal to finance some of the Kelantan state projects
>since PAS/Semangat 46 took power, there is no reason to believe that
>the state government will see any of the $2.1m.  

Look here, the government had a project going on which was being conducted
by Tenaga Nasional and look what happened, the Kelantanese government
confiscated the equipment needed for the project due to "insufficient:
compensation.

Reminds me of school bullies who take away toys from other children and
destroyed them just because he couldn't learn to take care of his.

>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

-rezal
From: ykb1@crosfield.co.uk (yasmin bador)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:40:05 GMT
Reply-To: ykb1@crosfield.co.uk (yasmin bador)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asean
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
>controlled logging, and maybe, you will understand once and for all,
>why the whole issue has been blown out of proportion to make us
>accountable for what is essentially the developed nations' mistakes.

Apalah ini brader! Bahasa dan tatatertib yang menjatuhkan maruah orang kita.
I myself, don't necessarily agree whole-heartedly with what the 
"Western countries" say but I'm not prepared to see Malaysian or for that 
matter any natural forestland "botak" (bald) because of humankind greediness.
There has got to be balance and moderation. This principle should also apply
to intensive farming in the West for instance, which milks the land dry.

>Open your mind, and try seeing how some developed nations are using
>the logging issue to hide the lack of steps taken by their government
>to fight global warming.  Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
>foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
>the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
>turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
>propaganda of other governments.

Are you saying that Malaysians should only produce *good* Malaysians?
Sounds like a certain moustachieod litte man to me.
What about free will, constructive criticism, democratic rights?

I like the peace and beauty of the jungle. But I like progress. Oh dear!
This is the exact quandary of the developing nations. Maybe if the developing
nations's goods weren't so devalued or trade restricted, then a fairer deal
could be struck with the developed nations. However who said life was fair?

Macam mana pun, kita sebagai anak bangsa Melayu ada adat bersopan santun. 
An argument can be started with flame throwing but can only be won with 
rational discusssion. 
Nasihat tu, taklah, mengingatkan aje..

Terlambat-> Selamat Hari Raya. Maaf zahir dan batin.

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Subject: Re: malay ????????????????????????????
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:31:07 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

Can't resit another of this...

>In article <4523@unccvax.uncc.edu>, me00rn@unccvax.uncc.edu (ramanathan narayanan) writes:

> 	did you realise that most malays are fools
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Perhaps Zam has met his match - someone who is equally good at 
insulting others.  :-).

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Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:09:46 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr13.195216.29664@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>>>	It works, does not it?  The Chinese in Indonesia have
>>>assimilated into the society and could hardly be differentiated from
>>>the natives.  If it once worked, the might as well export the style to
>>>some other places...
>>
>>Yep, this chap is definately a NAZI, condoning genocide.
>
>	Could you give any documentation of a genocide committed by
>the Indonesian government?  I have not come across any of this
>allegation before, so it is a news item to me.  The so called
>"cultural genocide" does not count.

Zam, go read the UN charter on human rights.  You find what is defined 
as genocide.  Then access what the Indon govt. did.  Use your intellect
(I am tempted to flame here but I shall not) to see if the Indon
govt had commited genocide or not.  FYI, the Aust govt's actions in
forcing their Aboriginies to "assimiliate" in to the White culture,
a move much less radical than the Indon govt's, has been branded as 
genocide. 

Ps.  I don't have the time to type in the UN charter here so I leave
it up to interested readers to look it up.

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From: elejaya@nuscc.nus.sg (Jayasooriah)
Subject: Re: NS in Singapore.....
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:53:01 GMT

v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:
: in the usa, the are consultants that work for the army, but 
: are not army full time (don't wear green).  they are a civilian
: work force --- why??? because the army realizes it can't recruit
: the best scientist, etc....   does singapore have a civilian
: work force in the army??? i presume they do.

You bet!

Jaya
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From: v134rrxt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Wei-Tiong Cham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes...
>In article <9204131043.AA10681@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>
>LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley) writes: 
> 
>>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
>....                                                         ^^^^^^^
> 
>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
		 ^^^^^^^^


>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?
> 
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

	To saudara NorZam Mohsif,

	What ? You know the meaning of " insult "? You 
truly dissapoint me. Remember the quote from Zam- " go 
fuck yourself ".

	Anyway, keep up the funny, stoopid postings.
Your statements are really entertaining. 




	
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From: kelling@convex.com (Carmen Kelling)
Subject: Re: NS and Officer Pillay
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO, USA
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 21:54:37 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Apr07.181304.27296@bmerh2.bnr.ca> zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim) writes:

>....................... I told her that Singapore is the best place
>in this world (I still believe it is, where in the world can you find
>almost zero unemployment rate, very low crime rate, clean etc ....)
>to live and bring up a family.......................

DAMN STRAIGHT, SON!!!!!  Just one little problem.  It's a hard thing to
find something to do when you've done everything there is to do in 
Singapore.  But, this is nothing more than a mild complaint, 'cause if
your yound & single, it's a great place to meet ladies!!!!  ;-)

>Believe me, if a person can give up his patriotism and loyalty, it
>is that bad.

Oh, I don't know about that, it's kind of easy for me to be non-patriotic
and disloyal to the U.S.  But, this also is a bitch for another day...


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Good Things in Malaysia
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:26:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.193841.4634@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.003716.24547@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>>	Remember, the 1988 Thomas Cup final between Malaysia and
>>China.  I was there at the Stadium Negara and half of the stadium was
>>cheering for the PRC team.
>
>This is another lie from Zam.  As far as I remember the Malaysian team
>was cheered to the end, even when the croud knew that even if we won 
>the match, we cannot win the cup.  The only time I have seen Malaysians 
>cheer for PRC is when Indonwsia play PRC.  I would agree if most Chinese 
>do not like the Indonesian govt.


	You can deny anything you want, but as far as I am concerned,
that infamous night will live with me till I die because it is the
clearest case of disloyalty exhibited by a large group of people.  

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: To create a better Malaysia III
Keywords: Too many intelectuals but...
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 03:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.205150.8616@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	As a Kelantanese, I believe you owe me an apology for calling
>my Sultan the above.
>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

If all that is true, then why the racist .sig?  I'm White and I'm
offended by it.  My ancesters wern't even IN this country through that
and that goes for many other Whites as well.
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Subject: Re: MRT in KL debate
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 22:43:40 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr17.063357.13662@leland.Stanford.EDU> rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:

>	I know of at least one public policy major who passed up a chance
>	to engage in a very formal discussion on the future of Malaysia
>	and ASEAN in his/her own university due to the "tidak kisah, I just
>	want my degree" attitude. This is not a generalization nor should it
>	be interprested that way but I certainly our "future experts"
>	don't up having the same attitude.

I agree with you.  The "I just want my degree" attitute will get us
nowhere.  We still have to go home to Malaysia some day.  If we don't 
care for ourselves, who will?  If we don't strive to better ourselves
we will live in a backward society.  I sincerely hope that by openly
discussing issues of concern here on the net we can perhaps learn
something from each other and gain more mutual understanding.  Of
course one may rebut by saying nothing will be gained in a flame war.
So we have to make a choice here.  Hopefully, when we return home to
Malaysia someday, we may apply what we have learnt here to better
our lives, our fellow Malaysians and our fellow humans.

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From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: The privileges of the Sultans
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:13:53 GMT

In article <ku9ccbINN8gs@news.bbn.com> saustin@bbn.com (Ling Khong) writes:
>While we are talking about the privileges of being a Sultan,
>does anyone remember the controversy over one of
>our previous Agongs)? Well, it seems that when this ex-
>Agong was still a Crown Prince in the sixties, he shot someone dead. The
>judge who convicted him was the Raja Azlan Shah (then a Judge but
>now our present Agong). However, that Crown Prince then
>received a royal pardon from his father, the then Sultan.
>Subsequently, his father stripped him of being the Crown Prince
>and put his younger brother in his place. However, just prior
>to his death, the old Sultan reinstated the his eldest son
>(that notorious ex-Crown Prince) and so this son finally
>became our Agong. When he was Agong, some of the other Heads
>of foreign governments refused to meet with him when they visited.
>Anyway, there was also this story going round the Royal Selangor 
>Golf Club that when he was Agong, he clubbed one of his caddies to death but
>the whole affair was hushed up.
>
>Perhaps someone has the details of the story -- I remember
>reading about it in some of the international magazines when
>that Sultan finally became our Agong. Some of it later
>resurfaced when Sultan Azlan Shah (either the judge or prosecutor
>in that case) himself became the Agong subsequently.
>
>
>Again perhaps the whole thing is just a rumour. It's hard to 
>tell in a country like Malaysia where there is limited freedom
>of expression and lack of information too. When I was back in 
>KL in December, there were all these rumours flying around that
>Sudirman was already dead; yet his death was only announced 
>last month! 
>
>	Ling
>


	Amazing...  I didn't hear the story here but in fact in Malaysia itself.
	Isn't this former Agung the Sultan of Johore?  Anyone know?

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Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 22:07:46 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr17.051941.20017@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>For sure.  There is *NO* "free" newspaper in Indonesia or Malaysia.
>>They are all govt controlled to some degree.  That's my point.
>
>Did you ever complaint to Malaysian Govt??? because of controlling
>the news?

Yes.  If you have read my posts in the past, you will know what I mean.  
But that's beside the point.  What I am trying to say is govt controlled
newspaper don't always tell the whole truth at best and lies at worst.

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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: bored beyond belief!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:35:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.54620
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hello people, I'm bored.  I'm sick and tired of reading all this fruitless
"discussion".  I don't know, maybe later I'll receive a mail saying that
if I'm sick and tired of all this then simply don't read them!  True!
Maybe I just do that.   

But for one last try(just to make this net more interesting), why don't
we talk about something else ...about baseball perhaps?  Soccer?...how
abt. baskeball?...hockey(ice-hockey)? ...okay...how abt malaysia's
new-craze(other than golf), horse riding?  I've been on a horse twice
in my life....what a ride! ...how 'bout life in general?  men?  women?          
But then, some of you will suggest I just read soc.men, soc.women etc.etc.


Oh! well....btw i'm not saying that the discussions made by our friends
from other ASEAN countries are fruitless, i'm referring to the m'sians'
discussions.  

phewww...and I thought it'll be hard to get people to recycle....
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:40:44 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <84080@bu.edu> amir@bigbird.bu.edu (Amir Samad) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.171032.11421@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>|> In article <1992Apr10.183351.10937@husc3.harvard.edu> tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh) writes:
>[deleted]
>|> 
>|> >Maybe it is time to take on him and debate on him so that he will not be
>|> >able to misled others. Luckily, I have many malay friends that are not like
>|> >him.
>|> 
>|> 	We have several of those "Malays" out here too.  They come
>|> from rich families and only mingle with the Chinese.  Anyone in Boston
>|> want to take a guess?
>
>Yes! Yes! I'm in Boston and I want to take a guess. Hmmm.... let's see....
>I know most of the Malaysians here... but nobody seems to come to mind.
>
>Tell you what, why don't you start by mentioning a few names... you have
>nothing to lose at this point anyway. I'm really curious to know who these
>people are.


	I am sure you don't know the ones that I am talking about.
They have never been to any UMNO meetings, and their fathers are some
of the most influential people in Malaysia.  Let's just leave it at
that; I am not going to name names.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud