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From: weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK)
Subject: Re: Texas A&M
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
Date: 24 Dec 1992 13:19 CST  

In article <Bzq2yp.2CF@trc.amoco.com>, zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes...
>>|> > 
>>|> > If true, the allegations could spell prison for the booster (Uncle Sam doesn't 
>>|> > take kindly to being bilked by non-congress types) and could subject the A&M 
>>|> > football squad to the NCAA "death penalty."
>>|>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>|> This can't be true can it?  aTm subject to the DEATH PENALTY, as in the same
>>|> one that SMU got?  Doesn't this seem a bit severe for a couple of grand a
>>|> month to a small number of players?  Wow.
>>
> 
> 
> 
>>Texas A&M was on probation when these infractions occured.  This makes
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>them eligible for the "death penalty".  The booster should have known
>>better.  What a clod.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Oh, the old "guilty until proven innocent routine?"  :-)
> 
>Word is, A&M is evaluating it's legal options for retribution against
>these claims that have so far proven to be false.  (as far as NCAA
>violations are concerned).  Gilbert is going (should) be strung up 
>by HUD, et alia.
> 
>I wish the NCAA would join in the suit.  The DMN deserves it.  Ask 
>anyone associated with any school within 400 miles of Dallas about
>how many "breaking stories" on their school the DMN has published and
>wound up bing hogwash.
> 

Don't I recall a story a few years ago in the dmn that reported the 
students didn't really build the bonfire but a bunch of contractors had 
been hired to do it?!?!?  Just an example of the fine journalism practiced 
at the dmn.

GIG'EM  AGS!!!

Mark Weyland
Texas A&M University - Class of '88

>>
>>|> 
>>|> > 
>>|> > I hope for A&M's sake it all blows over.
>>
>>Even though I hate A&M, I have to agree.
>>
>>|> >      - Pat
>>|> > -- 
>>|> > - Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
>>|> > - Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
>>|> > - Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
>>|> > - pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
>>|> -- 
>>|> Note: All opinions/positions expressed here are independent of my employer's 
>>|> John Dodson                    internet: jpd@austin.ibm.com
>>|> IBM AWS                              vm: johnd at ausvm6
>>|> 11400 Burnet Road, 905/9541       Phone: (512) 838-3426  T/L is 678
>>
>>Mike Noonan
> 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zklf0b@gs144.hou.amoco.com (Fergason)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:48:43 GMT

In article <BzzMs3.8GG@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.202827.1959@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>>conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>>
>>> . . .  Just think about all the poor cows around Austin who
>>
>>This is NOT to be politically correct, but, cows are females of the
>>bovine species, bulls or steers are the males.  Don't flame this poor
>>old farm boy on this one, but I just HAD to stick in my $.02 worth!  =)
>>
>
>I call for a Webster challenge!   :-)
>
>

cows are females for several species, so I guess a webster challenge is
in order.  I believe the female whale is a cow, and I think the female
elephant is also a cow.  maybe I should redirect this to alt.zoo?
From: frank@mail.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: New Year's Eve In Miami !!
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:42:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems

A new Year's Eve celebration at Bayfront Park begins at 3:00 p.m. on
Thursday, December 31st and continues until the last person leaves.  If you
want more information on what will be happening, mail me a request for more
info!!

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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Big 8 watch
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 03:29:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.163850.21269@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov
(david niebuhr) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec18.075705@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:

> >At K-State, the team has improved and playing good football.
> >Snyder has done a great job of turning this program around.
> >A huge setback in the middle of this season, which was somewhat
> >corrected.  And most fans are happy with what KSU has done in
> >the past 2yrs.
> 
> Yes he has done a good job.  I'd like to see more competiveness
> in the Big 8 and hopefully this can come about in a short time.

Especially if Mizzou can get their passing attack fully on track,
with the defensive firepower to back it up. Jeff Handley had several
excellent games passing.

If they don't fire Bob Stall [?], and he keeps building a solid 
program, they're my up-and-coming pick in the B8 for next year.

> Go Big Red - Beat FSU

I can live with this...

James
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From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Up and Coming Data
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:18:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.224815.4352@socrates.umd.edu>,
elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering) writes:
> In article <1992Dec28.193919.5851@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM
> (Mike Minihan) writes:
> >I have received alot of e-mail asking  recruiting questions. I have
> just
> >started getting all of my data, even from the east coast. This will
> take
> >about a week-10 days to compile all of the data, and I will post the
> >results
> >as quick as I can. Thank you for your interest.
> >-- 
> >
> >Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
> 
> Thanks Mike, I know I for one enjoy the recruiting information as much
> or
> more than anything else I read on this SIG. Geeze, the thought just
> occurred to me that it might be interesting (if you had all the
> information) to place it at a sight for anonymous ftp.. I think I
> remember
> someone maintaining a college fb data area, I just can't remember who or
> where. I always enjoy looking at who the top recruits were 5 years ago,
> and seeing how they did in college and which made it all the way to the
> NFL.
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Dave Elfering
> 	     elfering@socrates.umd.edu
> 

Thanks for the kind works.

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Who woulda thunk it?!??!!!
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 11:48:26 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <78941@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6249c@prism.gatech.EDU (The Corinthian) writes:
>
>
>34-13 BAMA!!!!!
>
>ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!!
>
>1992 National Champs!!!!!!!!
>

Ha ha, a long long time ago I was perhaps the lonely non-Alabama fan who 
think Bama would win it big time.  Bama did!  Ha ha!  Guess where are those
people (who asked me to dream on and called me a ridiculous guy) doing?

BTW, a large number of people also asked me to dream on when I said Michigan
would win the Rose Bowl.  Ha ha, again, hi there!!!!!

Congrats to Bama and the Wolverines!

- Louis Pang
From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Gino Who???
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:40:30 GMT
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis


	Congratulations to Alabama for dominating Miami and for demonstrating
how ordinary a QB Gino Toretta is. It brought back pleasant memories of a Sugar
Bowl about 7 years ago when Tennessee whipped Miami. Also the really poor
performance by Vinnie Testicleverde against Penn State. Maybe the mighty Canes
should stick to playing bowl games on their home field!!!

-- 

***************************************************************
Russ Wyborski               |The opinions expressed here are
Biotechnology Dept.         |entirely my own and in no way
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:57:14 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

In article <23DEC199217093611@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>In article <Bzq7xD.43C@trc.amoco.com>, zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes...
>>In a related note:
>> 
>>The Dallas Morning News reports that there is a small herd of Buffalo
>>who are going to march on the University of Colorado campus in an 
>>effort to protest their image being used as a mascot.  "We feel so used
>>and left out in the cold.  It's not fair.  No one uses the prairie dog
>							    ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>as a mascot.
>
>Prairie Dogs.  Isn't that Minnesota?

golden gophers?  Are they related?
>
>-----
>     But that's just MY opinion.	Roger Dendy
>					Analex Corp.
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>Finally got that .sig thing figgered out.
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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:03:24 GMT

In article <Bzz97s.3qI@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:

[stuff about politically correct viewpoints about Native Americans and
other stuff deleted]
>
>Is anyone else out there as sick of the "politically correct" world as
>I am?  This whole debate is SOOOO stupid!  

Amen, brother cmuck, amen!  Preach on!  Where is it gonna stop?  If things
truly are offensive to the majority of people that are affected, then
it should probably change.  But, if a few loudmouths are trying to speak
for an entire segment of the population claiming racism, descrimination,
or whatever, I say let 'em scream til they're blue in the face.  Are we
gonna have to start naming our mascots after letters of the alphabet?
What happens if we have more than 26 teams?  I'm sure we could all find
*something* politically offensive about nearly every mascot for any team
in any sport.  Just think about all the poor cows around Austin who
are reminded of their long horns every time a local sports team plays.  Did
you know that the long horns are actually a birth defect?  How do you think
it makes those poor cows feel?  First they lose their manliness and then
they're reminded of their birth defect (smileys inserted here for the
humor-impaired).  

I, for one, am actively revolting against political correctness whenever
possible.  I am against racism, sexism and descrimination.  I am also
against gender-neutral pronouns and calling white people caucasians for the
sake of being politically correct.  I like to call ladies "ma'am" and hold
the door open for them.  I like to drink beer and watch football and burp
out loud while doing so.  I am a white, middle-class male with a professional
job, which makes me just about as politically incorrect as they come and
I really just don't care.
>
>Moral of the Story:  If you don't want to be a victim, quit playing the
>part.
>
>Moral of the Story II:  Morality CANNOT be legislated.
>
>cmuck
>
>ps- if there was a button on the wall that would alleviate the earth 
>    by removing all humanity, I would push it.  No regrets, no questions
>    asked.
But then we wouldn't have these mind-expanding, culturally enlightening,
politically-correct conversations.  What fun would that be?

Paul (just grunting like a politically-incorrect neanderthal) Conditt
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21:18:27 GMT

In article <1hagqiINNr0o@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>In <kitchel.725139442@manta> kitchel@manta.dpsi.com writes:
>
>> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>
> [Dave can't see why Seminoles is seen as degrading, although he can see
> [ why Redskins would be.  Notes that the Seminoles of Florida have no problems
> [with the name and have made the mascots costume.  Suggests drawing animal 
> [names out of a hat, tongue firmly in cheek at this point.]
>
>> 	It's not a matter of your opinion, Dave, or the opinion of the
>> FSU AD about the appropriateness of the name. It is a matter of the
>> Indians' opinion.
>[deletion]
>> 	I used to have an opinion close to yours but I have reformed.
>> There is absolutely no defense for "Redskins" and damned little for
>> "Seminole", if the Seminoles object.
>
>  But that's just it, Sid.  The American Indians in question, the Seminoles of
>Florida, don't mind.  They seem to like it.  But their fellow American Indians,
>who of course know what's good for the Seminoles of Florida, want to have
>their little protest anyway.  Sounds awfully paternalistic and patronizing to
>me--like the Seminoles of Florida need their wise brothers to make their
>decisions for them.  I think not.  Re-read Dave's post, I think you missed 
>something.

What gets me is that most of the protesters at the FSU-UF game were _WHITE_!
Go figure.

>
>
>semper fi,
>
>Jammer Jim Miller 
>Texas A&M University '89 and '91
>********************************************************************************
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>*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
>* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
>*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph 		               *
>********************************************************************************

Kevin
From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kansas Help Needed!!!
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:21:28 GMT
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.

In article <1992Dec22.075053@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>First those east coasters who can't see past the App.Mtns, we now
>have west coasters who can't see east of the RockyMtns.   Kansas is
>that puny flat state that has wheat, tornadoes and the Wizard of Oz.

Now wait a minute.  I've been to Lawrence; it wasn't flat and I didn't
see any wheat, tornadoes, or the Wizard of Oz.  I guess that means
KU isn't in Kansas.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR))
Subject: Re: Ron Powles-Berwick,Pa.  National Champs
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 04:56:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.140842.19875@icf.hrb.com> rrm@icf.hrb.com (MURPH) writes:
> In talking about recruits this year, one stand out is Ron Powles from
>Berwick, PA. He is a good size kid and damn can he throw the ball. His
>choices so far are Miami, Notre Dame and Penn State. You should see this kid
>out of the shot-gun, not bad at all. I don't think he will go to PSU though,
>I can't see good old Joe "run the ball" Paterno using the shotgun alot.
>Later
>                                               Murph
>                                            

Most likely he'll go to Notre Dame. After Mirer leaves, ND will need a QB
for the future. Miami already has Costa (next year's starter) and Chris
Walsh (Steve's brother) who was redshirted this year.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: All-Freshman Team
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:59:48 GMT

*********************   FYI   ********************

The following is out of Football Digest.

     FOOTBALL DIGEST'S 1992
       ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM

offense
QB - Tommie Frazier, Nebraska
RB - Robert Davis, LSU
RB - Danyell Ferguson, Miami
WR - P.J. Mills, Oklahoma
WR - Mercury Hayes, Michigan
WR - Tamarick Vanover, Florida St.
 C - J.R. Conrad, Oklahoma
OL - Reggie Green, Florida
OL - Korey Stringer, Ohio St.
OL - Jonathan Ogden, UCLA
OL - Owen Neil, Vanderbilt

Defense
NG - Elliott Fortune, Georgia Tech
DL - Steve Martin, Missouri
DL - Simion Rice, Illinois
LB - Randall Godfrey, Georgia
LB - Derek Burnette, Clemson
LB - James Gillyard, LSU
LB - Bart Conley, Purdue
DB - Bobby Taylor, Notre Dame
DB - Marvin Robinson, UNLV
DB - Ty Law, Michigan
DB - Michael Lowery, Mississippi

Specialists
PK - Michael Proctor, Alabama
 P - John Stonehouse, USC


-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
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From: lytton@hobie.mlb.semi.harris.com (Jody Lytton)
Subject: GATOR BOWL TIX FOR SALE!!!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:39:08 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL
Keywords: tiguzz


I have two tickets for the Gator Bowl for sale. If you're not aware,
the game is December 31 in Jacksonville, Florida between the Florida
Gators and the North Carolina State Wolfpack. Kickoff is at 6:00 PM.

The tickets are $30 each (face value). They are for section 106 - row 12.

I can be reached:
		Today (12-23) (407) 729-5240
                           or (407) 728-8999

		(12-24 to 12-29)   (919) 383-8198
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From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Kansas TD play legal?
Date: 26 Dec 1992 23:39:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec26.073609.24295@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>Well, it was a good game to kick off a week of bowls... very 
>entertaining, right from the opening kickoff, literally.  But
>I was just wondering, was I the only one who thought that the
>"lateral" on Kansas' first TD play was really a forward pass?
>I've seen it replayed many times but haven't heard anyone else
>even question it.  I had no rooting interest in the game... just
>curious if anyone else saw it the way I did.

I didn't watch the whole game, but I saw that play on the highlights,
and both me and the sportscaster for KUSA Channel 9 in Denver thought
it was a bit questionable.



-- 
David G. Paschich	Comp Sci Undergrad Association		UC Berkeley
dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu			  dpassage@ana-ng.chaos.org
"We will create a new political climate where the system does not
attract ego-driven, power-hungry people." -- Ross Perot
From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Kansas Help Needed!!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:44:53 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	Wecome to the real games.  I swear, after so many years, it still
appears to be a secret that the best Bowl Games aren't necessarily the biggest. 
	Point of reference: This years Rose Bowl
	I'm kicking myself for having to work through the Vegas Bowl.  The
early reports I heard sounded like it was a hell of a game.  I hope to not miss
many more good ones.
	You can bet I won't miss a down of the Aloha Bowl on Christmas Day.  It
should be a good one.  This is where I, and I speak for a lot of Y fans, need
some help.
	Who is Kansas?  This is no Woof or Flame.  Let's hear it from some
Kansas fans.  What are we going to see?  Who are the big play people?  Who's
playing that makes you grimace and avert your eyes?  How's the offense?  Pass?
Run? 50/50? Inept?  Let's hear it!  How about the "D"?  I've heard very little,
but it sounds like something worth talking about.  Who's the hit man?  Who gets
the crowd going?  Mr sticky fingers?  Almost sounds like an open invitation to
Woof a little.  ;^)
	This game will be a lot funner if we all go into it knowing what to
watch for in the other team.  A little publicity could get some people away
from wondering what Lou Holtz ate for breakfast or maybe even get ESPN out of
Gino's shower.  "How you feeling about next weeks game, Gino?"  "Well, not much
different than I did before I washed my hair.  Thanks.  Now would you move so I
can shave my toes?"
	Let's hear it Kansas!

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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Sugar Bowl comments
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:01:32 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

I was rooting for Miami in this game (mostly because one of my friends was
going for Alabama).  For most of the season, I have been a Miami supporter, but
I have to admit that Alabama showed that it was the better team.  IMHO, there
were three major mistakes that Miami made:

1) To say that Torretta stunk would be an understatement.  He missed wide open
   receivers.  He didn't move around well.  He threw interceptions that were
   his fault.  Those interceptions were the main difference in the game.

2) I don't know who was doing the play calling, but it was not good.  I thought
   the running game was abandoned much too early.  There should have been more
   quick short passes and running plays that went outside.  It seemed like most
   of the plays that were used were medium-to-long passes (that Torretta
   misfired on) or running plays inside that were stuffed.

3) Alabama showed strength in all pats of the game, with the notable exception
   of a passing game.  I thought Miami should have overplayed the Alabama's
   running game.  Jay Barker did not impress me as a QB at all.  He should have
   been dared to throw the ball.  Of course, I must admit that the was the
   first time that I have seen Alabama play all year.  Barker might be a good
   passer, but he didn't show it in this game (of course, he didn't have to
   with the way running backs were running over the Miami line).

With these rumblings made, I have to say that Alabama is and deserves to be the
national champs.  All in all, this season was pretty good.  I can't wait until
next year!
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
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