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From: scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre)
Subject: Re: Shriekback question.
Keywords: nemesis, Oil and Gold, fish, lyrics
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:01:27 GMT

kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler) writes:

>In various articles, people answer a witham_r@apollo.HP.COM (Ron Witham) request
>for info about _nemesis_, by Shriekback, off _Oil and Gold_.

>But what I want to know, and have for a long time, is what is the last
>word of the song. Most of the people I know say it finishes:
>...
>we could still end up,
>with a great big fish.

>Anyway, I have the lyric sheet for _Oil and Gold_ from their album, which
>no help because it is in a phonetic alphabet, and I can't work out what
>it is from that - phonetics not being sufficiently one-to-one or unique.
>And on the extended mix from a 12" (b-side: live version of _Suck_),
>the last word sounds not like "fish", but more like "fishist" or "physhistht"
>or something ...

>Can anyone help?

i've always thought it was "great big fishes"; i.e., more than one great
big fish.

- lou
From: v125mf9n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Indra Geerts)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor on Saturday Night Live
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BvM6z3.H0F@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes...
>> (Alireza Vali) writes:
>>>Last night on Saturday Night Live, Sinead O'Conner sang an "A Cappella"
>>>piece about the evil in the world and how people should fight it.  At
>>>the end of the piece, she held up a picture of the Pope, ripped it up,
>>>and said something like: "Fight the real evil."  The studio audience's
>>>response was dead silence.  What is her beef with the Pope?  Does anyone
>>>know the story behind this action?
> 
Perhaps her problem with the Pope is the same one I have. The fact that he 
went to Mexico City, the fastest-growing city on the planet, and certainly one 
of the poorest, and told the poor there "be fruitful and multiply". Or perhaps
it is the Catholic Churchs' tendancy to cover up instances of sexual abuse by
members of the clergy, protecting them and moving them elsewhere to continue
their evil. Or perhaps it is the Catholic Churchs' strict ban on abortion,
even in cases of rape or incest. Or perhaps it is because my generation will
be the first to see the population double twice in a single lifetime and the
Catholic Church promotes the rythm method as the only acceptable method of
birth control, a method that has a fourty percent yearly success rate for 
preventing pregnancy (4 out of ten women who use this method for a year do
not get pregnant) and a zero percent success rate at preventing transmission
of STDs. Perhaps it is the Catholic Churchs' intolerance toward homosexuals.
Perhaps it is the Catholic Churchs' steadfast ignoring of AIDS as a disease 
that affects non-black, non-gay, non-poor people. Perhaps it is the Popes' 
tendency to wear gold and silver and jewels in a world with so many starving
and dying. Perhaps it is that she, like I, has failed to see the Catholic 
Church be in the forefront of the movement to protect the environment, or
save our children from drugs, or help the poor, or slow the spread of AIDS.
Perhaps it is simply that she feels that the Catholic Church only cares about
your life or death if you are unborn. Perhaps she has the feeling that the
Catholic Church is involved in the Anti-Abortion crusade as a cynical power
play to show they still influence their constituents.

                      -Indra
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: pftzgrld@unix2.tcd.ie (FUNGUS FROM YUGGOTH)
Subject: RIDE
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:05:33 GMT

As was written previously Ride do indeed hail from Oxford in England.
They emerged in 1989 around the time that the Manchester scene was
getting up and running, however they were not part of it. There main
influence would have been My Bloody Valentine(Check these out!). The
music is much more guitar driven than the Manchester sound and is
heavily distorted with lots of feedback in the grand tradition of the
Jesus and Mary Chain etc. Ride began by releasing 3 Eps before releasing
their first Album Nowhere.

Ride Ep 
Play Ep
Fall Ep

These 3 were later compiled into the Smile Lp.

Since the Ride have released the following:-
Nowhere Lp
Today Forever Ep
Going Blank Again Lp
Leave them all behind (12'')
Twisterella (12'')

Ride became one of the forerunners in what the Music press called the
Thames Valley Scene or The Shoegazer Scene which both peaked in late
1991. Other bands in this mold include My Bloody Valentine,Slowdive,
Swervedriver, Chapterhouse, Moose, Cranes, Curve, Lush, Boo Radleys,
Spitfire, Revolver, etc.

Well I remember any of the others at the moment. 

Anyway I think I've said enough for know so if anyone wants info on any
of the other bands mentioned please mail me.

Regards 
      Peter Fitzgerald ( pftzgrld @unix2.tcd.ie)

g
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: sdhouse@bnr.ca (Stephen D. House)
Subject: Re: Vinyl Record Inscriptions (was RE: Lyny
Keywords: neil young
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 12:57:16 GMT


Yea,  I just noticed one of these messages the other day.  On Neil Young's 
"Tonight's The Night" album, I believe it says on side A "Hello Danny", and on side
B it says "Goodbye Danny".  Danny Whitten (and also Berry somebody)
was a friend of Neil Young (and fellow band member) who died due to a
drug overdose.  The title track, and other NY songs are about him and
others who OD'ed.

Have a NICE day!

Stephen
From: bryan@wupost.wustl.edu (bryan o'connor)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Hey PETE read this !!!!!!!!!!
Date: 29 Sep 1992 12:13:23 -0500
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: fegmania.wustl.edu

tevonian@dcl-nxt01 (Pete Tevonian) writes:
>sorry to come in in the middle of a discussion, but isn't "Always Something
>There To Remind Me" the attached track to "Tainted Love" by Soft Cell?
>Could be way off here, just thought I would ask.

Nope... "Always something there to remind me" is definately Naked Eyes (although
it might be a cover.) *but* it just seems to go with "Tainted Love", doesn't it?

When I was a kid, I remember hearing the songs together; when I made a tape of 80s
music, I put them back to back... They belong together..

-- 
Bryan D. O'Connor                    | "what scares you most
Computer Science Undergraduate       |  will set you free"
Office of the Network Coordinator    |  is what the Angel said to me...
Washington University in Saint Louis |              --Soft Boys
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Led Zeppelin Poll
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:15:29 GMT

1. Traveling Riverside Blues
2. When the Levee Breaks
3. No Quarter
4. Over the Hills and Far Away
3. Bron Y Aur Stomp

Album: Four
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: kevin bloody wilson again
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:29:07 GMT
Reply-To: isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

::  is he well known in the states?  has he done any shows there?

::   ian, dundee, scotland

Sorry, I can't help you with the states, but I can tell you that he is known by a few of my friends in Canada (West Coast).  Recently I've moved east (Ontario) and I haven't heard anyone mention his name.  Who knows, maybe he has a huge fan club in hiding? -just a thought.

-todd.
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:16570 rec.music.misc:24674
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: MAILINGLIST: U2 Mailing List (WIRE) HAS A NEW ADDRESS
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:19:20 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Noah Cole (ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: Wire, the U2 Mailing List has moved from it's former home at
: last.cac.washington.edu to it's new home at hub.cs.jmu.edu.
: 
: To subscribe, send a message to u2-request@hub.cs.jmu.edu with
: SUBSCRIBE as the subject and on the first line of the message. 

This isn't really correct -- you only need to give it ONE command, 
not two -- if you give it two commands, it will subscribe you twice.

Also, the list is allegedly available in a digest format -- you can
say "subscribe bounce" or "subscribe digest", depending if you want
mail to get to you as soon as it is posted to the list or nightly,
respectively. The digest is still under construction and won't be
up for a little while.

Giving it "subscribe" without an arguement is not a good idea. There is
supposed to be a default, but it acts weird. The best thing to do is
send u2-request@hub.cs.jmu.edu "HELP" and read the help file carefully.

Scott
(yes, this server is my fault. :))
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: Prism
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:44:35 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep25.194954.4689@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, gschmidt@nyx.cs.du.edu (gl schmidt) writes:
|> I am looking for an old album by a band called Prism entitled
|> _Armegeddon_ - preferrably on CD.  I don't even  know if it has been
|> ever released on CD.  Anyway, if anyone has a copy, please e-mail me 
|> at:  gschmidt@silver.sdsmt.edu - I would appreciate it much.  I 
|> remember it was a very good album and would like a copy or recording.


The Canadian compilation _Over 60 Minutes with Prism_ contains all the
good songs from _Armageddon_, which doesn't exist on CD by itself.
Also almost all the good ones from all their other albums -- a very
well-done compilation!


===========================================================================
Timothy Klein                 I wish I had a kryptonite cross.  Then I
timk@meaddata.com             could keep both Dracula AND Superman away.
...!uunet!meaddata!timk                               -- Jack Handey
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc,rec.music.progressive
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ON CAROLINE RECORDS ASAP!
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 06:59:25 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

> Can someone tell me what the status of Caroline records in NYC is? Are
> they still a true independent or did a major label buy up a huge chunk
> of them? 

Caroline has *never* been a "true" independent.  Caroline, the distributor
that owns and runs the label of the same name, was founded as a wholly-
owned subsidiary of Virgin Records sometime in the early '80s. (That's why
all that Virgin UK Mike Oldfield back-catalogue -- among others -- is
turning up on Caroline in the States.)  To top it off, Virgin was bought
earlier this year by Thorn-EMI, so I guess in a megacorporate-ladder sort
of way, SubPop's distribution is controlled by EMI, via Caroline, via Virgin.

There's a decent article on all this indie/not-indie stuff in the September
_Pulse._

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Crowes U.S. tour dates- 1992
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:10:50 GMT
Reply-To: fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  Anyone been to a Crowes concert this year?  Have tickets for one?  Know
someone who went?

  If that date is not on this list, could you provide me with the date, city,
and location of the show?  Any updates are appreciated!!

  Thank you for your time!

  Doug


1992 THE SOUTHERN HARMONY AND MUSICAL COMPANION RELEASE

  High As The Moon tour

opened in Minneapolis, MN

7/24 - Minneapolis, MN

8/3  - MSU Amphitheater  Starkville, MS 
8/6  - Chicago
8/11 - Memorial Hall, Dayton, OH
8/13 - The Palace Theater, Columbus OH
8/15 - Toronto, Ontario 
8/16 - Shea's, Buffalo
8/17? Pittsburgh, PA
8/19  Tower Theater, Philadelphia
8/20  Tower Theater, Philadelphia

8/24 - Beacon Theater, NYC
8/25 - Beacon Theater, NYC
8/26 - Beacon Theater, NYC
8/27 - Beacon Theater, NYC
8/28 - Civic Auditorium Music Hall, Omaha
8/29 - Boston
8/30 - Boston
8/31 - Boston

9/1  - Washington D.C.
9/3  - Fox Theater, Atlanta
9/4  - Fox Theater, Atlanta

9/17 - Roanoke, VA
9/19 - Township Auditorium, Columbia S.C.
9/20 - Knoxville, TN
9/22 - Charleston, SC
9/23 - Raleigh, NC
9/25 - Spartanburg, SC
9/27 - Sunrise Musical Theater, Ft. Lauderdale
9/28 - Sunrise Musical Theater, Ft. Lauderdale
9/29 - Orlando Sports Arena, UCF
9/30 - Entertainment Center, Tampa

10/2 - Pensacola, FL
10/3 - Starkville, MS
10/4 - Birmingham, AL
10/5 - Chatanooga, TN
10/7 - Nashville, TN
10/8 - Memphis, TN
10/9 - New Orleans, LA
10/10- Tibideaux, LA
10/12- Houston, TX
10/13- Bronco Bowl, Dallas
10/14- Bronco Bowl, Dallas
10/15- San Antonio, TX
10/17- Mesa Ampitheatre, Mesa AZ
10/18- San Diego, CA
10/20- Greek Theatre, LA
10/21- Greek Theatre, LA
10/23- Greek Theatre, LA
10/25- Santa Barbara, CA
10/26- Davis, CA
10/30- Portland, OR
11/1 - Concord Pavilion, CA
11/2 - San Jose Civic Auditorium, CA

-- 
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From: aesba1ii@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: sweet insanity
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:21:20 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


         i am the 20 year old responsible for putting the first (since i
began using the system ) Brian Wilson message on line....

          i have read his autobiography, even though it's not widely
available in the uk....great reading.....
 it confirmed my views that mike love is an arsehole and brian is a genius

    have all the albums, including smile, but i'm as confused about sweet
insanity as you are....i heard it would be out in 1990...then 1991...then 1992
    according to the autobiography it should be out this year....

  quite a few 60's beach boys albums were released at xmas...perhaps bri's
waiting for this...

   also..if anyone has any info that bri is ever coming to the uk...

   please tell me!!!!


             ian
             dundee, scotland
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Led Zep Poll
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:13:05 GMT

 
>>I'm doing a poll to see what the best led zeppelin 
>>song is...
>>So if you could, send me your top 5 songs and favorite album by them.
>>The results will be posted in a few weeks...
>>And please rank them 1 => 5


#####################################################################################


I could respond to this poll, and I have already but, 1 hour after I have responded
I forgot which songs and what album a chose.
	My point is for every mood I'm in there is a song and an album for me. You
can't take a poll on this BAND they are just to versatil that is one of the reasons they are still on the radio, If your bored with this song or style well try this one.
Every album is like that.
Just compare Led Zep III with Presence. Then listen to Graffiti it,s all in there.



Excuse my spelling........
						Matt Cortes.....

everyday.

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: HEGE@finabo.abo.fi (Kaj H{ggman DC)
Subject: Re: Nuno is King - a tour date
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:58:14 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Sep27.023715.14416@nmsu.edu> mespinos@spock.NMSU.Edu writes:
> Oh by the way, does anyone know of any Extreme tour dates?
> i heard they were touring with Brian Adams in Canada....please post any info or 
> mail me at     mespinos@dante.nmsu.edu

I know of just one:

	Date:  November 18, 1992
	Place: Helsinki, Finland

How do I know? Well, I justed bought (and queued for) my ticket(s)...

Unfortunately I don't know any other dates, but it seems like they'll start 
here and continue through Sweden (Stockholm?), Denmark (Kopenhagen) to ...?

Special Guest Star is Thunder. Does anybody know how they sound live?
Well, it's gonna be one helluva night anyway!

> your #1 extreme fanatic,

I'd like to argue with you, but maybe a few 10.000 other readers wouldn't
appreciate that very much...

BTW, there seems to be other fans, there were three guys about 15 years
of age that bought tickets for about FIM 7500, that's about USD 1600 !
OR they have many friends :-)

-=HeGe=-

Kaj Haggman             Internet: Hege@abo.fi     Phone:   +358-21-654467
Abo Akademi University  Bitnet:   Hege@finabo     FAX:     +358-21-654497
Computing Center        PSImail:  22101410::HEGE
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: s_ebach@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de (Bernd Ebach)
Subject: Re: Collecting Wild trees
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:32:17 GMT

In article <BvMqKn.5Kt@cmptrc.lonestar.org> you write:
> (Bernd Ebach) writes:
> 
> >>   Finding a little tree - a 50 to 100-yearer - in nature and
> >>   making it survive in a tea-pot is the real Bonsai-stuff.
> 
> (Rodger Madison) writes:
> 
> >[stuff deleted] ...I do find the above statement disturbing however.
> 
>   
>   Rodger, there are some purists (and I guess Bernd is one) who think that
>   bonsai shaped by nature's hand are the most beautiful. [...]

Yep, this is exactly my view of Bonsai-Aesthetic. I've never seen
a real interesting Bonsai which was grown and shaped from seed up
by hand. Those tree's shaped by hand follow those strikt rules how
a Bonsai should look like. I can't find anything interesting in
that. They might be 'perfect' in sence of those rules but if you
watch them there is no such thing like a surprising detail or a
'feature'.

>  I don't think it's cruel. [...]

Indeed. Or should I better say, building a tree which looks 
some sort of dignified needs at least as much of cruelty as
taking the tree out of nature. You have to wire it again and
again. You have to pull of some of the bark. You have to pull
up the roots. And so on...

>   Lifting a tree like that is a process that takes time and patience, I think.

Oh yes, it is. If you want to pot a real old tree and you
want to minimize the risk that it dies away, it takes at least
one year of preperation, so that the tree has enough time to
build a smaller but densier root in the habitat it is accustomed
to. The root is the real important stuff.

TschauTschau
		Bernd
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Subject: I HEAR YOU! YEEAAH!
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:24:37 GMT
Distribution: WORLD
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

Yeah!  alt.bonsai coming thru!   There *ARE* bonsai'ers out there!

Thank YOU, Mike Bartolone for keeping me posted on the alt.bonsai activity
and for volunteering to maintain the FAQ.  It looks great!  

I've completed my move.  My 9 little bonsai trees are safely installed
on the patio.  (First time that picking a place to live depended so 
heavily on which way the patio faced!)  They're looking a little neglected.
Hopefully, I'll have time soon to give them some attention.  

I was wondering if there was any interest in seeing some bonsai gifs posted?
Perhaps post some digitized scans of trees before and after styling.  Maybe
take some polls voting on the best "front" of the tree, etc?  I have some
scans I've made of my serissa (which is halfway through being wired into a 
windswept style).  I also have a chinese elm (ulmus parvifolia - catlin)
which I'm going to repot in October.  Currently, it's in a nursery pot that
I cut down to soil level.

In one of the batches of posts Mike sent me I saw some discussion of moss:
good or bad.  I like moss.  My watering can rosette is perhaps not fine enough
and the moss helps to keep the soil from washing out.  This is especially
helpful if you've got the dirt mounded up above the level of the pot.  I also
got the distinct impression that it helped to keep the soil from drying out 
during the hot Texas summer. I just don't think a bonsai looks "finished"
until some moss is laid down.     

Is there anyone out there who is having good luck with azaleas?  I have an 
unknown variety that I picked up for free at a nursery.  It didn't look too
good when I got it, but it had great looking roots.  It has started to bud
out, but it seems to be taking a long time.  Most of the leaves have brown    
burnt looking tips  (overwatering?).  I tested the soil with an electronic
soil tester and the PH was way too high.  I've started fertilizing it with 
MirAcid to try and bring it down, but it's probably still too high.  
(Haven't checked it lately since I've been moving)

Great to finally get in on the action!
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: s_ebach@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de (Bernd Ebach)
Subject: Re: alt.bonsai FAQ
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:05:56 GMT

bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266) writes:
> This is the official alt.bonsai FAQ.
> 
  (.. stuff deleted ..)
> 
> Section 2 What is Bonsai?
> 
  (.. stuff deleted ..)
>
> tree or shrub) grown in a tray, or dish. Bonsai was first practiced in
> Japan. (...)

(to my knowledge:)
Wrong! Bonsai was first practiced in China, by very few and
special persons like 'The gardeners of the emperor' and monks.
The techniques for growing these litte plants were given from
generation to generation as "top"secrets. Later the art of
Bonsai swapt over to Japan probably together with the "transfer"
of religious traditions. It was in Japan where Bonsai was done
'peux a peux' by a greater amount of people.

> (...)  No one knows when, exactly, the first bonsai were collected and
> cultivated, but there is mention of it as early as (insert date here)

There were descriptions of Bonsai-Trees found in old handwritten
chinese documents from more then thousand years way back in time.
There were also found pictures of Bonsai-Trees on old chinese
porcelain. So let it be at least a thousand years ago. In respect
to the really old chinese tradition I'd add another thousand or
more.

Just a little notice from a european Bonsai-Freak..

A peronal note on Bonsai:
  Finding a little tree - a 50 to 100-yearer - in nature and
  making it survive in a tea-pot is the real Bonsai-stuff.

TschauTschau
		Bernd
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From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Help Finding the tree of my dreams on a K-mart budget -);
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:32:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I'd love to have any suggestions on maple's or pines that I can find
cheap and that won't die the minute I get it home in Kansas.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?