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From: iguana@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Burmese Pythons and Iguanas?
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:53:59 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech


I am assembling an Iguana care manual and would be interested in the
info presented in the FAQ on iguanas too if some cool person could send it
to me.


Shawn Clever
(iguana@jupiter.nmt.edu)
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From: sjlt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sean Lev-Tov)
Subject: Re: Captive care of box turtles
Keywords: why me...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:54:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.132923.27357@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman) writes:
>Hello herp-net.
>Over this past Labor Day Weekend, I received a call from a colleague.
>His kids had found what he claims to be a box turtle, a good sized one
>(6" across the shell.) He wanted to know what kind of tank to keep it in.
>
>Somehow people must know I have access to herp-net. Remember the killer
>firebellied toad and the monstrous snake in the woodpile?
>
>Anyway, I first tried to get him to release the turtle where they
>found it ("walking down the street.") There are numerous ponds and streams
>near his house. Box turtles can be found throughout much of NJ, although
>turtles can't be sold in pet shops in this state.
>
>My advice (from my extremely limited experience helping to care for some
>turtles at a friend's pet shop) was to put it in something it couldn't
>climb out of, give it a rock to sit on and a lamp to keep it warm, and
>make sure it didn't get too cold (below, say, 70) at night. The turtles I
>was familiar with (sliders, musk turtles and box turtles) lived in a double
>sink in the back room of the pet shop and were fed dead fish from the
>shop's tanks, vegetables and random junk. They were robust messy eaters;
>husbandry involved moving the turtles from one side of the sink to the other
>and cleaning out the side they'd filthied every week. Live foods like
>feeder goldfish, hamburger, strips of meat, and so on would keep the
>turtle happy.
>
>With luck, his kids will get tired of the turtle and release it. He had
>called a veterenarian friend of his and had gotten largely the same advice.
>I recommended a local store for glass tanks and told him to consider
>large coolers and rubbermaid buckets as containers, as they tend to be
>more economical and easier to maintain. You can, for instance, hang a power
>filter off the back of a 10 gallon rubbermaid container, providing a nice
>waterfall for herps (I've done this from time to time.)
>
>
>So, did I mislead my colleague? Let me know if I did. Thanks!
>-- 
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If it's a box turtle, then it's not aquatic.  I may be mistaken, but from what
you said about giving it a rock to sit on, it sounds at though you're recom-
mending that it be placed in water.  Box turtles aren't aquatic (in fact, I 
once found one dead floating in a pond; maybe he drowned).  Box turtles need
land and a dish to soak in and drink from.  I'm sure others out there can
give better and more detailed advice.  Any takers?

Sean

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From: garys@miki.pictel.com (Gary Sullivan)
Subject: Re: bringing herps into California
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:44:40 GMT

In article <920903033311_71162.3470_CHK148-4@CompuServe.COM> 71162.3470@CompuServe.COM ("Peter P. Donohue") writes:
>Part II of transporting snakes across the country:
>   I remember the last time I drove into California that they checked
>your car for plants.  Do they also check for animals.  Will snakes be a
>problem?

Yes, they sometimes check and/or ask about animals, and yes, snakes
can be a problem if they become aware of them.

Generally, the Dept. of Fish & Wildlife is not very enlightened when
it comes to pet herps.

>   Also, I have heard that CA limits the types of animals that are
>allowed (indiginous ones are limited).  Does anyone know what types,
>specifically, are limited.  I was told that Albino variants of the
>species are Ok?

Virtually all are limited to two individuals of each kind _with_
_a_valid_fishing_license_.  The laws are more restrictive than that for
some species.  In many cases, albinos are treated differently than
normals, as it is rather obvious the albinos are unlikely to be
wild-caught.  Non-native species are less of a problem also, unless
they are federally or internationally restricted.

Some local communities have additional restrictions.  One suburb of
San Diego has virtually outlawed all herps.

>   I will post a summary of responses to this and my previous question. 
>

A good summary of the CA laws regarding herps is published by the
SouthWestern Herpetologists Society.  See the society list for their
address.


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From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Burmese Pythons and Iguanas?
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:58:45 GMT
Organization: Bohemian Inebriation Association


 This also reminds me... can someone email me the iguana FAQ? My .newsrc
got messed up and I can't call it back from here... :(


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From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Subject: Re: Small update on some large snakes
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:30:57 GMT

In article <BuBwJo.9B8@solbourne.com> debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances) writes:
>My three pairs of yellow anacondas continue to eat and grow.  The three females
>are still puppy-dogs; the males continue to be a bit snippy.  I'm always looking
>for tame ones, if anyone knows of some available.....
>                                               DEBRA


Speaking of anacondas, I was in State College the other day (for
non-PA residents its Penn State's town... its also in the middle
of some nearly-uninhabited territory. Hick hick hicks), and I
went into a mall pet store, because they had a sign advertising
lizards and such.

Much to my surprise, I found mroe than just iguanas looking
unhealthy, I also found a mangrove snake (with a small sign that
said Danger: Poisonous) and an ANACONDA.

I ask you, what is a mall pet store doing with an anaconda. I was
under the impression that some of them get > 30 feet and eat 90-
pound capybaras.

Upon further thought, I thought "perhaps it would be cool to have
an anaconda." They were asking $199 for it - reduced fromm $399.
It didn't look terribly healthy, and it was ain a cage far too small
for it. It looked to be about 7 feet long.

Any input?

Tim
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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Looking for any info on mutant herps...
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:13:30 GMT

I'm sure there's documentation "out there" on mutated herps, but hopefully
I can get sources directly from y'all, if you've seen any.

I remember several years ago a story about a two-headed rat snake.  This was
just some story floating around school one day, but I've always wondered
if this naturally occurs.

What I am looking for specifically, are pointers to information and/or 
pictures about mutations such as this.  If you know of any, could you please
reply to me?  (Especially the pictures.. ;-)

thanks,
-Brent
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Captive care of box turtles
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:44:05 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

>a turtle/tortoise of some sort, about 8" long.  I couldn't get a very good
>look at the guy, but I picked it up and set it on the safe grassy area next
to the road.

Well at least you know it WASN't a snapping turtle!
From: 71162.3470@CompuServe.COM ("Peter P. Donohue")
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: RE: transporting snakes - success in carrying on plane
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:14:12 GMT


   Here is an update on transporting snakes across the country.  I have
successfully transported the baby snakes by plane.  I brought them out
because they may not be strong enough to survive the drive across the
country.
   The method I used was to put them into a snake bag.  When going
through the scanners, I had the bag in my pocket.  After passing
through, I stuck the bag into a plastic margerine container in my
backpack.  I didn't allow for the cool temperatures on the plane, so I
had to place the container between my legs and put a blanket over my
lap.  The snakes seem healthy and readily ate when I offered them food
a couplue of days later.
   I will let everyone know how the snakes who go for the car ride
handle it.  Thanks again for all the help that everyone has provided.

                             Pete

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from Denver west, except in LA).  Background: an BS in Marketing and
Computer Science, an MBA in International Management, and about 2 years
of experience.  If you know of a position or could give me a lead on
who to contact, please let me know.  Thanks.

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From: bagus@netcom.com (Mark E. Ruedy)
Subject: Re: Raising mice
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 17:39:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <dc6155.715904577@eehp13> dc6155@eehp13.cen.uiuc.edu (David William Clapp) writes:
>  
>I'm looking for a cheap alternative to buying mice/rats from a pet store. 

I use to breed mice and rats for my snakes.  Make sure you can get good
rodent food *cheap*. I spent too much for the rat food and it was almost
a wash.  I also ending up spending more time with the rats and mice
(cleaning cages, feeding) than I did with the snakes.  And the *smell*!

I gave up.  I just keep pricing the pet stores for the cheepest deals.

You could make $ at raising rodents, but it's a full time job.

good luck
-mark
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From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Burmese Pythons and Iguanas?
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:20:07 GMT
Organization: Bohemian Inebriation Association

In article <m-vnbkf.bagus@netcom.com> bagus@netcom.com (Mark E. Ruedy) writes:
>In article <16909@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins) writes:
>>
>>  I was wondering... could a small burmese python and a medium size
>>iguana share a large terrarium? Or will the iguana mysteriously vanish?
>>They don't need to share; I've got plenty of cages- but I think they
>>would look neat together. Any suggestions?
>>
>>-otter
>>
>
>One suggestion.  Feed your snakes rodents.
>
>-mark



 But Mark! How could you suggest something like that! How could I possibly
feed cute widdle fuzzy mice to a nasty snake? No, no, _MY_ snakes live in
peace and harmony with Mother Earth and all her living children! I feed
them on nothing but lettuce, tofu, and bean sprouts. The iguana eats these
just fine, and since the snakes are reptiles too, I am sure they will
soon learn to be vegans too. Admittedly, they have not eaten any of
their lovley veggies yet, but it has been a few weeks now.. I am sure
they will start soon! :) They are already much calmer... one of them hardly
moves at all! See what the proper diet can do? :)






 ... not. Yes I feed them rodents. Mine -was- an honest question though...

-otter 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: tracer@milton.u.washington.edu (David Tracer)
Subject: Boas for sale
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:32:37 GMT

A good friend's boa just had a huge clutch of healthy babies.  She doesn't
have net access but I told her I'd post this for her:

For Sale: Common Boas (_Boa constrictor_)
Healthy & Guaranteed Feeding
Price: $100 (plus shipping if necessary)
Quantity discounts can be worked out.
E-mail me if interested or for more info.

David

Re: 2 headed herps.  I remember seeing a 2 headed red-eared slider at a
petting zoo in Brooklyn N.Y. when I was a kid.


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From: ango@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: monitors and agamas
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:19:33 PDT

I was recently given a salvator (about 3 1/2 ft), and he seems to have
something stuck in his eye (a pine shaving most likely) and as a result he
keeps that eye closed most of the time.  when he does open it, I can see a
translucent beige coloured thing in there, but I'm reluctant to remove it, as
I don't want to scratch the eye.  Any suggestions?

Also, I know I've asked before, but I was unable to check for replies, so here
we go again...
	Does anyone know anything about the two agamids, commonly called golden
and pyramid agamas?  A friend recently aquired them (impulse buy) and the
dealer ( a local wholesaler) was unable to provide any information.  They are
both feeding well, and are in excellent health, but we, both he, his wife, and
I are eager to learn more about these lizards, and ani infromation on captive
husbandry, ecology, natural history, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

			Thanks in advance
			       		Andre 



================================================================================
    /                             \\
Andre Ngo                          \\          Happy herps are healthy herps.
Ango@Pomona.Claremont.Edu           \\         Sorry, I just couldn't think of
address 17315 Horst Ave              \\               anything creative. :(
	Cerritos, CA 90701            \\      
Phone (310)860-3017                    \\      My iguana likes cocoa krispies,
      (714)621-8555x2438                \\           and my retic likes cats.
================================================================================
I'm working on one of those exciting text pictures, but it doesn't look too hot

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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: Looking for any info on mutant herps...
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:20:34 GMT

fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler)) writes:
|bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes:
|
|>I'm sure there's documentation "out there" on mutated herps, but hopefully
|>I can get sources directly from y'all, if you've seen any.
|
|I understand the biggest trick is making sure only one head gets hold of
|the mouse...

I received one reply from a person whose friend collects 2-headed snakes.

The first thought I had when I read his reply is, how do they eat?  How 
*would* you feed a two-headed snake?   For those of you who have seen
these 2-headed snakes, does each head have a neck, or are they joined
fairly close together?

This is really interesting...

Again, if you know where I could get pictures, I'd appreciate the tip.

-Brent
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From: quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: New savanah monitor
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 11:38:44 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

Alexander Bernard Brands <ab3n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>      Now a question about the monitor.  He has been eating very well.  I
> have fed him worms, slugs, grasshoppers, dog food, and hard boiled egg
> with success. Yesterday, I cut up an entire hard boiled egg and gave it
> to him, and he finished at least 3/4 of it!  Now this lizard is only 6
> inches from snout to vent, so he was quite plump after that meal.  He
> couldn't even keep his belly off the ground when he walked and had some
> difficulty climbing has branch.  But I began to wonder if it was OK to
> let him eat so much?  I can't think of any specific problems, but I just
> got a little worried to see him so packed full of food.
> 
>    -Alex
>       

Alex,

        Savanna monitors are vacuum cleaners for food.  I have 
never owned a herp that was more prone to eating than my George.  
I have a rule about monitors, and that is feed them until they are 
full.  That way he will be 6 foot long in just a few years!  In 
the wild they gorge themselves on carrion- so I feel that it won't 
hurt them.  Just be sure that their diet is not steady mice, and 
that you vary the diet of the mice you do feed.  I give mine eggs, 
he eats them shell and all (good for him, as it has calcium) and 
lots of live rodents.  For yours, rat pinkies or mouse hoppers 
would be good.  Mine is about 3 feet long now and will eat 4 week 
old rats and smaller.  I toss in a variety of dead rat pinks, 
mouse pinks, dead mice and sometimes for entertainment live mice.  
I never give a mouse that still has his lower teeth however.  
Also, I never give live rats.  George doesn't have a scar on his 
body, since he was captive hatched- and I would like to keep it 
that way.

        If you do want to feed live prey, to keep his instincts 
up, make sure you always use a wire cutter to break off the lower 
teeth of the rodent (be it rat or mouse).  I let a mouse with no 
lower teeth bite my finger once to see what would happen- and sure 
enough- not even a scratch on my finger!  By the way, they will 
eat hamburger, and just about anything that you don't want to eat, 
because it is slightly spoiled.  I haven't seen any disease from 
doing this myself- but it should probably not be a recommended 
practice.  After all, this is your PET we are talking about...sq

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From: ola@vipunen.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Subject: Sex of red eared turtle?
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization
Distribution: rec
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:35:09

  Greetings,

  my question is simple: how can one tell the sex of a red eared
turtle (not sure about the exact name)? All pet stores around here
give different information (not surprising, considering it's only been
legal to import them for a few months). Some say you can tell them
apart by the tail, some say the nails, some say you can't... Any other
info, esp. feeding, would be appreciated. Is there any good
literature?
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From: dc6155@eehp13.cen.uiuc.edu (David William Clapp)
Subject: Raising mice
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:22:57 GMT

  

Help! My boids are eating me out of house and home. I'm looking for a 
cheap alternative to buying mice/rats from a pet store. I have considered 
raising them myself and could use some advice (pro/con) and instructions
from anyone with experience with rodent husbandry. Another alternative
I have considered is ordering them from a supply house. If anyone has the
address and phone number of a supplier in the Illinois area I would 
appreciate the help. 
                                       Thanks, Dave

 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Advice regarding finding lost herps
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:24:13 GMT

From: "Peter Bell" <pmb2@midway.uchicago.edu>

Look behind the fridge, in the nice warm coils.  Look soon, cuz the coils can
burn an animal that is hiding in them.  A remarkable number of snakes will do
this.  Also, water heaters, etc.
Peter

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From: seedman@iastate.edu (John D Turnipseed)

        My recommendation --- First, get a good flashlight.  Second, think
                              like a snake.  In my experience, snakes that
                              find themselves out of a small cage, find
                              themselves in a larger cage (the room) and
                              begin to look for a way out of it.  They do
                              this by finding a wall and following it.
                                 So, start at the cage, find the nearest
                              wall, and use the flashlight to work your
                              way around the room.  Be Careful!  Look
                              underthings before moving them.  The life
                              you save might be your snakes.
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From: Birny Baker bxb@calmasd.prime.com

About finding lost snakes, I used to go into the snake room,
close the door, hold my breath and listen. Listen in all the
sections you can get close enough to. This only will work of
course if a) you have great hearing like I do, and b) the
snake happens to be crawling at the moment. Otherwise I agree
wholeheartedly with the cautious movement of objects and the
use of a good flashlight.

It's kinda funny to think about hearing a snake crawling
across the carpet, but it worked a couple times for me.--
From: larry@angel.UUCP (Larry Tenbush)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Shedding of a Ball Python
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:08:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Angel's Retreat - San Antonio, Texas

From article <1992Sep11.175811.8685@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, by jmm7076@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.M. Maurer ):
> Fellow Herp Lovers,
> 	I have a 3.5 foot Ball python, and have had him for about
> one year.  Ever since I have had him he has yet to shed in one piece.  I
> this normal?  It gets annoying for him to crawl around for a week with
> skin  flapping everywhere.  Eventually all of it falls off.  I have
> tried to soak him in water after his eye caps fall off, but this does
> little good.  
>

You might try to rise the temp. and remeber to mist him once a day and
even twice a day during shedding.

 
> 	Also he is a pig when it comes to eating.  For an animal his
> size what is a good weekly amount of mice.  I have kept to two [2] to
> three [3] a week.  He seems to be fattening up and has put on about six
> inches since I got him.  I really wouldn'y mind him a foot or so longer
> but I don't want an overly fat and lasy herp on my hands.
>


I was told by a friend who works at the local zoo (herp keeper), that a 
study shows that it is best to give the snake two big meals a month and
to let the snake get hungry and start to pace the cage for exercise.  They
found that giving the snake little meals every week the snake will be lazy
and will not move (exercise).
 

> Jim         
> aka Mouse
> 
> P.S.  My roomate has a hyperactive leopard Geko and would like to add to
> the tank.  Any suggestions as to another herp to add would be most
> appreciated.  

For leopard Gekos the best partner for them is another leopard.  Determine
the sex, if you have a male put a female in the tank.  Don't put two males
in the same tank they MAY start fighting.  You can put two females in one 
tank.


Hope this helps,
Larry


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