From: jimj@meaddata.com (Jim Johnstone)
Subject: Re: The media will choose the next president
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:03:53 GMT
Reply-To: jimj@meaddata.com
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep1.234352.25038@u.washington.edu>, jrdobbs@milton.u.washington.edu (J Robert Dobbs  Esq.) writes:
|> In article <athos-010992122750@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
|> 
|> >Hey,
|> >
|> >Why not take a look at the unemployment rates, inflation rates, etc of all
|> >those countries your Clinton Man wants to emulate.  I think you'll find
|> >that the US is doing incredibly well in this recession than the rest of the
|> >world.  Go for it.  If you can refute this, I would like to see it.
|> 
|> How 'bout that Free Market paradise, Great Britain?  Thatcher's legacy
|> is the longest recession since WWII. I don't have the figures handy,
|> but they are significantly worse than most countries in Northern Europe.
|> Also, be skeptical of "low" unemployment rate in the US and UK in "good"
|> times, since they only apply to a fraction of people who are involuntarily
|> without jobs.  Other countries provide more of a safety net to their
|> workforce, therefore they have more people getting unemployment benefits
|> (as opposed to turning to crime and extreme exploitation).

I doubt if Clinton is thinking of emulating Britain. It is still too 
conservative for his taste. But lets look at socialized medicine there
since there is so much talk of national health care here. NHS is great 
in Britain -- as long as you are dying. Otherwise you can wait in pain
for some time for an operation. It has even resulted in a two-tier system
where those who can pay for immediate care do so. And, from talking to 
some people who live with it and can't afford the private hospitals, they
aren't treated well by the health care bureaucrats.

IMHO, many of Britain's problems (like ours) stem from too much socialism with 
all it's dis-incentives to hard work.

|> 
|> Any of the horribly "socialist" countries in Europe (Netherlands, Sweden,
|> Germany) have significantly stronger middle classes and far less violent
|> crime than the US, in good times and bad.  Its amazing how many Americans
|> know they live in the best country in the world...without having even
|> talked to foreigners (let alone having traveled outside of N. America).
|> Having seen many of my friends suffer from not being able to afford
|> medical insurence has made me capable of voting for a Democrat, even one
|> who claims flag burning should be illegal.  Maybe that's what it takes
|> to get the Bubba vote in AmeriKKKa. To say Clinton wants to "emulate"
|> other countries is a misnomer; he'd be considered moderate-right in most
|> of Europe or Canada.

Hey, if its so bad, why do we have to limit immigration? Why are so many
people trying to get to America? Yes, even from those great socialist
countries.

If Bush wins, he will have to beat the media and Clinton. (in that order)


|> 
|> - Another American thinking of leaving if Bushe/Quayl get re-elected
|> 
|> 
|> _____________________________________________________________
|> Libertarianism would be cool, if it wasn't just for the Rich.

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