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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 19:31:28 MST
From: <AGCKK@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,misc.forsale.computers
Subject:    CD-ROMs for sale or trade (prefered)

I have the following CD-ROMs for sale (around $50 each) or trade:

1) "Space Series: Apollo", DOS
2) "World War II, DOS
3) "US Civics, How to Become a U.S. Citizen", DOS
4) "Atlas Pack", US Atlas and World Atlas in one pack, DOS
5) "CD Game Pack II", 10 games, DOS
6) "Wing Commander/Ultima VI", DOS
7) "US History on CD-ROM", DOS & MAC

I'm looking for:

1) "Family Doctor"
2) "Languages of the World"
3) "MacMillan Dictionary for Children"
4) "America alive"
5) Encyclopedia, Aircraft, and Animal related CDs

Please make an offer or tell me what you have for trade. Thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ral@athens.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Recommendations for CD-ROM with Soundblaster?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 07:04:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cd-rom

Can anyone give me recommendations for buying a CD-ROM drive to
be used with a Soundblaster Pro/Soundblaster 16?  Since the 16
is coming out in a few weeks (as I understand it), it's probably
a better idea to wait for it than to buy the older Pro.

I'd also like to connect a CD-ROM drive to the Soundblaster Pro or
16.  What CD-ROM drives would be recommended?  In particular,
does anyone have opinions of the Panasonic CD-ROM drive that
Creative Labs is bundling with the Pro in the Multimedia Starter
package?  Would it be better to buy the drive and sound card
as separates?

What kind of interface between the CD-ROM drive and sound card
works well?  I hear that you can connect the headphone output of
the CD-ROM drive to the analog input of the soundcard (would
this be the microphone input?), and I also hear about a 3- or 4-wire
cable for doing some kind of connection.  What's the story?

Any help would be appreciated.

Ron Levenberg
ral@cc.bellcore.com
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From: tegel@catbox.stgt.sub.org (Thomas Tegel)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Photo CD drivers for Philips CM205 now available !
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 13:26:03 GMT
Organization: Cameron SYSTEMS, Germany

Hi Folks !

I've got some good news for you. The Kodak Photo CD reading software
package for the PHILIPS CM-205 is now available. It consists of a device
driver and a photo viewing program for Microsoft Windows (TM).
It is available for $89.- / DM 129.- from the following comany:

 TeleMarkt Dienste
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 D-W7000 Stuttgart 1
 Phone: +49 711 260388   FAX +49 711 2621621
 UUCP: telemarkt@catbox.stgt.sub.org
 

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From: STUY138@SAUPM00.BITNET ("Kais A. Al-Essa")
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: HELP !
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:49:52 GMT
Reply-To: "Kais A. Al-Essa" <STUY138@SAUPM00.bitnet>
Distribution: alt
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.

Hello all,
   I have a MAGNAVOX CD-ROM. I didn't use it for some time. I tried to
install it again to my system just about a week ago.
   I changed the files CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT as needed by including
the MSCDEX driver for the CD-ROM. The problem is that it says that 1  device
has been found and successfully initialized and its drive (F) is there. But
when I do a dir command at that drive (of the CD) the CD active light blinks
and I get nothing for some while .. just like the system has hanged and then it
sayd .. drive not ready error .. and gives this error # : CDR101 .
  Can any one help me out there and tell me whats wrong here ?!!  I suspect
that the drive itself has something wrong .. may be its missed up or has a bad
IC .. who knows !!  :)
  Help please .. thanks !

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: darkshot@rock.concert.net (Michael B Garrett -- Chudys)
Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM, ADAPTEC HELP NEEDED
Organization: Not at all
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:19:16 GMT


Richard, if the Adaptec ASPI drivers work like the Bustek ones, you only
need ASPI4DOS- the ASPIDISK is used when you have a worm, or a hard disk
configured at a  SCSI address other than 0 or 1. Make sure that the ASPI4DOS
is one of the first things in your config.sys- and if it shows the cd-rom as
there during boot up, it can be made to work. Do you have the MSCDEX stuff?

'Shot
From: pjs@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Peter John Swiatkowski)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: CD-ROM recorders -> LaserVision recorders?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 23:02:54 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

In article <1992Dec28.071501.27154@alf.uib.no> pererik@cmi.no (Per-Erik Nordbo) writes:
>Is the CD-ROM recorder technology being adapted to LaserVision players?
>

I would think this fairly unlikely. It would involve a mechanism capable of
'burning' three tracks (1xdigital audio, 1xanalog audio, 1xanalog video -
per current NTSC standard) and a machine with the smarts to encode all
three tracks in real time.

Then looking at the economics of it: Current commercial 12cm CD-WORM
writers run to US$6000+ at the low end and blanks run at about US$25 each.
If these are charged on a per-unit-area basis one would expect a 12" blank
LD to run at about US$150 per side (hour). How deep are your pockets?

I, for one, won't be holding my breath. But in a few years....


Peter Swiatkowski
Melbourne, AUSTRALIA

Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:5335 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:899 comp.unix.sys5.r4:1010
From: bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Re: Which CD-ROM under Unix (SVR4)?
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:19:10
Organization: nil
	<Bzpy5z.HDC@gator.use.com> <1992Dec23.201709.18485@crd.ge.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM's message of 23 Dec 92 20:17:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.201709.18485@crd.ge.com> davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:

 >> Are not all of the SVR4 vendors in the same boat (as far as not
 >> supporting a CD-Rom filesystem -- or have some of them actually
 >> developed their own CD-Rom fs?)

 > And the answer is "I just don't know." I haven't had the chance to go
 > back and look at the other V.4 version for that particular feature, so
 > I have no answer for you.

   According to the Consensys V4.2 feature blurbs, 4.2 supports both
ISO-9660 and High Sierra.

--
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						   bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:5358 comp.graphics:13265 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:8265
From: pbenson@ecst.csuchico.edu (Paul A. Benson)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Graphics CD-ROM SHIPPING !!
Date: 30 Dec 92 06:35:04 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Knowledge Media's Resource Library, Disc-1 Graphics began shipping Dec29th.

If you do not receive your disc as ordered by Jan 11th( in US, 
allow an extra week for foreign orders),  please contact us 
with your order information:
		Name
		Date of Order
		Quantity ordered
		method of payment
			if credit card... Name on Credit Card
					  Card Number
					  Expiration Date
		Shipping address.

We will then put a trace on your order.

****************************************************************

For New orders:

The cost of the disc is $24.95 plus $ 5.00 to cover shipping and handling. 
Foreign orders add $ 10.00 ( or $ 15.00 total shipping and handling) 
       to cover the extra costs of shipping. 

Orders may be pre-payment in U.S. dolllars, 
C.O.D. if within the U.S., 
or credit card. 
     For credit card orders we need:

					  Name on Credit Card
					  Card Number
					  Expiration Date

Please be sure to include your shipping address.

Disc-1 Graphics- is a collection of more than 426 MegaBytes of popular
public domain, shareware, and freeware graphics programs and data files.
The disc contains more than 1200 programs, 16,000 files.
 
Orders may be FAXed to (916)- 872-3826,
Prepaid orders may be mailed to : Knowledge Media
				  436 Nunnelley Rd. Suite B
				  Paradise,CA 95969, USA

E-Mail to  pbenson@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
From: dcole@ua.d.umn.edu (david cole)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Insight/HDI complaints
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:52:36 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu


According to the Insight salesperson I spoke to a couple weeks ago, the
manufacturer promised to ship 380msec seek time cdrom drives but instead kept
shipping the higher seek time drives.  He said they were keeping a waiting
list for the 380msec drives and could not promise a ship date.
He claimed not to know the name of the supplier when I asked, but a
reasonable hypothesis is Mitsumi.
Manufacturer's delays and failures to deliver what is promised are hardly
rare. But it seems that Insight mishandled this one; they certainly should
have notified customers of the problem instead of shipping drives that did
not meet advertised spec.  Insight should be made aware that this is a
general feeling (I said so when I called).  A letter to the editor of PC mag
would be more effective than to their troubleshooter (I was gratified to see
a letter published about a sneaky thing Gateway 2000 did that I objected to
(refusing to meet the price they told PC Mag was the system price in a
published review of systems in 1990).  Gateway's President responded in
print, effectively changing policy.  This needs to be done as publicly as
possible.  A letter to PC Sources "Ombudsman" department is also in order:
this is a public complaint department about mail order vendors that publish
in their magazine.  The reason that it is important that it be public, and
not behind the scenes, is so that the problem is fixed for ALL customers, and
not just the one who complained, and so the company feels the sting for
misdeeds in the form of bad publicity, not just a few complaining customers.
Bad publicity costs big.      

Cheers, 

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: tjt@blink.att.com (Tim Thompson)
Subject: Re: NEC CDR-74 DRIVE ...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:12:42 GMT

spe@world.std.com (Scott P Evernden) writes:
>>-> like to add a CD-ROM drive.  Is Adaptec 1542B a good choice for the
>>-> NEC cd-rom ?, or is there a better choice ?.  I plan to put a SCSI
>> I have same setup,1542b two scsi harddirves Nec CD 74 and a Wangtek dat
>>tap drive and it  works like a champ.
>Amongst 4 machines- 2 1542Bs, 2 1740s (standard mode), and 3 CDR-74s, I've
>**never** seen the NEC drive work with the Adaptecs.  Never.  No combination
>works.  I've all the right software (including latest EZSCSI) and tried the
>Corel drivers.  Operations work for about a sec, then return an error message.

Wow!  Well, I've got a CDR-74 and have tried it on two computers, both of
them having the 1542B, and with both the EZSCSI and ASW-410 drivers it
works fine.  I'm glad I don't have your luck.  ...Tim...tjt@blink.att.com...
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: adrie@ica.philips.nl (Adrie Koolen)
Subject: Re: multi-session Photo CDs (was Re: Reading CD-I)
Organization: Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:49:04 GMT

In article <JK.92Dec17202429@leo.tools.de> jk@tools.de (Juergen Keil) writes:
>>   by zero or more CD-DA tracks. I've seen a PhotoCD, burned by a Kodak
>>   photoshop, that contained 38 tracks with 103 pictures in total. The first
>>   track contained a file system which points to all 103 picture files.
>
>That's true. I have a single session Photo CD with 13 pictures on it,
>and it contains 8 tracks, the first track contains the ISO 9660 fs and
>the CD-I files and the following tracks contain 2 - 3 pictures each.
>But things get really interesting with a real 2 session Photo-CD I've
>got: Here you have an updated ISO 9660 filesystem starting on track 3
>pointing to pictures in track 2 and track 4 (overwriting the ISO 9660
>filesystem in track 1 which (obviously) has only pointers to the
>pictures from the first session).

How are the blocks numbered? Normally, in an ISO9660 fs, the first block
is block 150 in the track. If files are stored in previous track, one
should use negative numbers, or what? Or do they use absolute block
numbers, in stead of track relative numbers?

>I'm surpised that I havn't seen someone complaining that he still can
>only access the first session of a multi-session Photo-CD on his brand
>new multi-session drive, because the OSs ISO 9660 filesystem code is
>unaware of the updated directory structure of the disc!

I suspect that the multi-session MSCDEX low-level device driver recognizes
a multi-session CD and presents only the last fs to MSCDEX.

Adrie Koolen (adrie@ica.philips.nl)
Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, the Netherlands
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: jc@i5120h.nrl.navy.mil (J. Clark)
Subject: DOS/MAC applications on CD-ROM 
Organization: NRL
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:23:14 GMT

Greetings all -


I have a Novell Network with DOS and MACS on it.  I have heard of
some good products that allow me to mount a CD-ROM player onto 
my fileserver as a regular volume, which the workstations can than
access.  

I'm looking for useful applications to put on here formy users.  Also -
I don;t suppose that anyone has a CD that has an interface for both 
platforms?   Thanks for any thoughts.

John
From: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: List of drives too sl
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 

BA>: Hi netters.  I thought you might be interested in the list from the readme
BA>: file on the new Sherlock Holmes II game.  It says these drives are marginal
BA>: or will not work with the game (it has video in a window that fills about
BA>: one-fourth of the screen area):
BA>: 
BA>: I feared the worst for the NEC 25bj that I got in the Medivision FusionCD
BA>: kit, since it should be worse performing than the NEC 37, but I was
BA>: pleasantly surprised: it works fine.  It is interesting that new drives like
BA>: the 461 and the NEC 37 are on the list, while the cheapest drive, the
BA>: Mitsumi, is not.  Anybody else have handson experience with this game and
BA>: cd-rom drives, either on the above list or not?
BA>: 
BA>The game works really well with the NEC CDR-84.
BA>Bret Marquis

It runs great on the Hitachi 3700 internal.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva)
Subject: Encyclopedia CD rec needed
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:34:58 GMT


Can anyone recommend either a DOS encyclopedia CD that displays text
near to full screen, or a good Windows encyclopedia CD? The DOS CD I
have only displays text 6-7 lines at a time - would like a bit more on
the screen. Thanx
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.mac.system
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: Mac: ISO 9660 discs never shareable?
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:07:20 GMT

I heard that File sharing on Macs fails with various versions of
improperly written 3rd party softwre (Trantor's) and that by changing the
names of the extensions to get Trantor driver to load earlier in the
startup the file sharing with Apple Foreign File Access will succeed. Was
this your problem? If so try Apple's 4.0.2 driver of FWB's CD-ROM ToolKit 1.0.

Bill Williams

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Sony Dataman - XA format - special drives?
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:54:20 GMT


I'm pretty ignorant about all these different formats - I haven't really
got the big picture yet (Im still baffled why they need to do special
things for video and sound, and don't just store them as ordinary files
the way Acorn do with Replay CDs) - anyway, I'm about to write some
code to read Sony Dataman disks on an ordinary drive.  Apparently, I'm
told, I can only read 'old-style' disks on ordinary drives because the
later disks are in 'XA' format, and I need a special XA controller
card to read them.  Is this correct?  If so, why?  How did this new
XA spec get through if you can't read the iso9660-compatible bits of
the data?  Or can you?

As I say, I'm really ignorant of what all this stuff is about, so I
won't be offended by idiot-level descriptions of how it all fits
together.

Thanks

Graham <gtoal@gtoal.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Help wanted -- NEC 72 and PAS16
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:22:12 GMT

From article <1h5h06INNjin@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by as346@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Mayerovitch):
> 
> Old to CD-ROM use (my NEC drive) but new to multimedia.
> My drive worked fine running off its Trantor 128 SCSI adapter.  However,
> the moment I connected it to the Pro Audio Spectrum 16, using Mediavision's
> own CD interface kit, the drive disappeared from view.  The Mediavision
> driver could find no SCSI adapter, and thus of course no SCSI device, but
> the NEC-TRANTOR driver (left in my config.sys by the installation program)
> assured me that a SCSI adapter was in fact there.  It also insisted,
> however, that no SCSI device was attached.
> 
> I've played with Mediavision's configuration program, fiddling with IRQ and
> DMA settings, but most of the time this freezes my whole system.
> 
> Any suggestions?  SCSI is acting far too scuzzy for my taste.
> 

  Maybe you have a SCSI id conflict?  What other devices do you have
  on your SCSI card? Do you really need it in your system? Try taking
  it out and using *only* the PAS. Just some ideas.

  Cheers!
-Max

> -- 
> rmayerov@rs6000.baldwinw.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: hartnegg@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Klaus Hartnegg)
Subject: Re: Problem using EMM386.EXE with CDD461 drive
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:47:51 GMT

J.M.Hall@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK (Jon Hall) writes:

>installed in CONFIG.SYS, reading of files over 64K in size from the CD
>becomes unreliable: files are copied with no error message, but are
>corrupt. This is checked by using COPY to copy files to the hard disk
>followed by FC /B to do a byte-for-byte compare.

QEMM has an option to set buffers for DMA transfers.
No, I'm not talking about the DMA option, it's another one.
FS (FileSpace) or something similar. It's in the two page
list of options in the qemm manual mentioned that this
option is for SCSI drives using DMA.
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Disclaimer: this text reflects MY opinion, not that of my employer!
From: as346@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Mayerovitch)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Help wanted -- NEC 72 and PAS16
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:03:18 GMT
Reply-To: as346@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Mayerovitch)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) says:

>From article <1h5h06INNjin@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by as346@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Mayerovitch):
>> 
>> Old to CD-ROM use (my NEC drive) but new to multimedia.
>> My drive worked fine running off its Trantor 128 SCSI adapter.  However,
>> the moment I connected it to the Pro Audio Spectrum 16, using Mediavision's
>> own CD interface kit, the drive disappeared from view.  The Mediavision
>> driver could find no SCSI adapter, and thus of course no SCSI device, but
>> the NEC-TRANTOR driver (left in my config.sys by the installation program)
>> assured me that a SCSI adapter was in fact there.  It also insisted,
>> however, that no SCSI device was attached.
>> 
>> I've played with Mediavision's configuration program, fiddling with IRQ and
>> DMA settings, but most of the time this freezes my whole system.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?  SCSI is acting far too scuzzy for my taste.
>> 
>
>  Maybe you have a SCSI id conflict?  What other devices do you have
>  on your SCSI card? Do you really need it in your system? Try taking
>  it out and using *only* the PAS. Just some ideas.
>
>  Cheers!
>-Max
>
Thanks Max.   I also have a PC-powered Bernouilli, which is run from its
own SCSI adapter (not daisy-chainable).  It has provided no conflicts with
my CD-ROM or Trantor adapter.  Are you suggesting that I might be able to
interface my CD-ROM and PAS16 via the PAS16 SCSI connection without needing
the Trantor adapter at all?  This would amaze me but delight me.



Bob
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Organization: TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technology.
Date: Sunday, 20 Dec 1992 14:29:43 IST
From: Hillel Arkin <CVRARHI@TECHNION.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject:       CD-ROM for our Library

We are trying to decide about a CD-ROM for our Library.  It is a scientific
(academic) Library of the National Institute for Building Research, Israel.
We prefer a databased with mainly (though not only) english written articles
published in scientific or scientific-popular periodicals, or in scientific
books, in the following issues:

1.  BUILDING MATERIALS AND TECHNOLOGY;
2.  CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND ECONOMY;
3.  PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE OF BUILDINGS;
4.  SERVICE SYSTEMS IN BUILDINGS (HVAC; PLUMBING; ELECTRICAL; ELEVATORS ETC.);
5.  STRUCTURES.

Any assistance in this issue, such as names and/or adresses of such CD-ROMs
etc. will be greatly appreciated.

                                 Dr. H. Arkin.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: AB38@CATCC.BITNET ("Jonathan Long x465 rm. H204 +- 1 Way -+")
Subject: CD-ROMs, Drives for sale
Reply-To: "Jonathan Long x465 rm. H204 +- 1 Way -+"
 <AB38@CATCC.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:45:06 GMT

> On Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:35:22 GMT That k-Rad Hacker! said:
> >I am selling:
>
> <remainder of message deleted>
>
> It is my understanding that advertising through the nets is strictly forbidden
> If you have something substantive to contribute to a discussion, feel free
> to do so, but I alread get enough advertising via snailmail -- I don't need
> an email source as well.
>
> Loren Mendelsohn

If anyone is opposed to advertising, it is a simpler proposition to
delete sale messages when they are recieved.  I feel e-mail advertising
is a very effective, low cost medium.  I often find great deals this
way.
        -Unopposed
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom