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From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is it true? (was Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47....)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:44:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov12.234420.2269
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

news@cs.mu.OZ.AU writes:
: I want to confirm that the article
: "RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47..."
: is true or not.
: 

  It is definitely BOGUS.

: If it is a joke, the netters should NOT allow such joke in the news group.
: Sometimes, I read this group to get the informations about my country, and
: I give them to my friends who can not accese to this newsgroup...

  Actually, I immediately turned on TV and radio and read through Los Angeles
  Times when I read the article.
  It was Veteran's Day, not All Fool's Day.  :-)

: Noriaki (noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au)
-- 
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   Ich bin am gluecklichsten wenn Ich bei dir bin.
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From: nat@sumax.seattleu.edu (nat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: aeronautical engineering school in japan
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:13:10 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

or aerospace engineering in japan?
  Please e-mail to me at      nat@sumax.seattleu.edu   
     
thankyou in advance,
nat.. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:31:37 GMT

In article <Bx84DM.ILM@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>.....
>>>   If the person who shot Yoshi Hattori had received a better training,
>>>they might not have had to make someone who could be judged as a murderer 
>>>out of those who want to defend themselves.  
>
>>	True, and I'd much rather see the government spend money on
>>proper firearms training than on legislation and bans that serve no
>>useful purpose.
>
>     Do you have any idea how to encourage people to take the training
>without legislation?

Yes, I do.  It's called peer pressure.  I have some friends who just
moved here from Illinois.  I'm teaching them responsible gun handling,
and the joys of target shooting.  These people have never considered
that target shooting can be fun.  One friend is a small woman who
finds the idea of having some type of defense in her outskirts of town
house very appealing.  Imagine, living in fear because you cannot
defend yourself in your own home!  All this is because of Illinois
restrictions on firearms basically have made the average citizen
unaware of firearms beyond the media portrayal of them.  Here in
Indiana firearms are much more common, and the average citizen is
better educated in their safe handling.  Peer pressure.  Stop the
media from portraying firearms as evil, and instead have them
concentrate on safe handling of them. 
 

>
>     I think that money could be a good incentive especially in the US.
>If the pro-gun lobbyists and pressure groups find that they could make a 
>good business out of the firearm education, the government will follow,
>won't it?

No, then they'll regulate it.  I have no problem with the idea of an
enforced class, or any type of competancy testing *if it were
anonymous*, and if it were not designed to be so difficult so as the
average person could not pass.  Implementation would be a nightmare.

Meanwhile, I'm going out shooting today with one of my friends, and
I'll be drilling more safe handling practice.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10569 talk.politics.guns:23995
From: cecchini@acsu.buffalo.edu (Julie A Cecchini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:42:38 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <BxGuxn.9nH@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

Somebody:
>>>   No, we don't because we invented a lightening rod. 8-)
>
>>Next electrical storm, go outside with your lightning rod and we'll 
>>take bets on how long you last.

Michiaki "no private citizen should own a gun":
>   Are you ordering me to do it? Then, I'll take it as a threat. (No
>smiley here.) (FYI, a lightening rod is not something that you use in your
>hand. Don't try it at home. 8-))

This is indicative of the logic you have used consistently in your
postings and resultingly.  I and many like me have lost respect for
your point of view.

Please try to post more rationally and logically in the future.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10498 talk.politics.guns:23940
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:03:41 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Nov9.215051.24565@dg-rtp.dg.com> meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes:
}In article <1992Nov5.163832.10554@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette) writes:
}[ ... ]
}>For example, here in California, a gun course will be required to buy
}>a gun starting July '93.  I may not have all the details correct
}>(e.g., not sure if applies to only a class of guns).  The course must
}>not cost more than $20, and if one fails three times then the license
}>is granted anyway.
}
}I understand the "safety" course will be required only for handguns.
}
}But -- surprise! -- 2/3 of the guns sold in Kalifornia are handguns.  :-)


The course is mandated to be not less than 2 hours nor more than 4.  No
price is set for it, as I recall.  I'd charge $40 per person to teach a
class.  The state will charge a $10 processing fee to take the exam
(there's your funding) and the instructor may charge up to an additional
$10 for administering the exam.  You may take the exam twice in any 6
month period.  If you can pass it the first or second time without taking
the course, that's good enough.  If you can't then taking the course is
mandatory before you can take the exam again.

The law states that the legislature must define the course _or_ declare an
existing course taught by a nationally recognized organization to be
acceptable.  The NRA's Home Firearm Safety Course is the only such course
currently in existence. (One suspects the law was written with it in
mind).

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483
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From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Kyushu Basho (Day 2)
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:43:04 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

After losing on the first day, September winner Takahanada lost again to the
hands of pesky Terao (whose brother Sakahako retired two months ago). The bout
was very lively, neither wrestler managing to gain an edge for a minute, with
a lot of thrusting and pushing on both sides. Takahanada seemed to give up
towards the end and Terao pulled him backwards by the belt for a rare
shitatehineri (under-hand twist!). Kirishima showed that he is no more
than the shadow of the grappler once nicknamed 'Hercules'. Small but
powerful Kotonishiki pushed him out of the ring in a matter of seconds.
Akebono showed that he is back on track, also quickly shoving Misugisato
off the dohyo in seconds. The day's most interesting bout was the clash
between Daishoho, runner-up two months ago, and up and coming Musashimaru.
The maegashira had to absorb the Hawaiian's charge, retreating to the rim.
He then countered with an over-hand throw but Musashi was definitely too strong
and sent him crashing for his second victory. Note that Mitoizumi, winner in
Nagoya in July, dropped his second.

Winners		Losers

KasugaF**	Kiraiho*
T'nami*		Toki
Kinazuma**	H'kuni
Tatsu**		W'Y
Toyo'U**	Kgaume
Ktsubaki**	Mai'U
K'W*		KiriN
TomoeF**	Kbeppu*
KF*		Kita*
Dzen*		DshoY*
Ogi'H*		WHda*
KuSU**		Tama
Ttoriki**	Tochi'W
Musashi**	Dshoho*
Tmisugi*	Mito
Wshoyo**	Aki'S
Terao*		THda
Kyoku**		KoN (by default)
KN**		KiriS
Akebono**	Misugi

Today's main bouts

Kirishima	Wakahanada
Akinoshima	Kyokudozan
Daishoho	Takahanada

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori / UPI
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:07:34 GMT

In article <BxEDCK.G47@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>
>The following is taken without permission. 
>
>
>
>	TOKYO (UPI) -- The government soon will offer advice to youngsters on
>proper behavior when confronted with ``an angry, gun-toting American,''
>the Mainichi Daily News reported Wednesday.

Just my Y2.4 worth:

The government would be well-advised to offer ALL of its people a course in
how to behave/protect oneself in ANY foreign nation. Very few nations are
as safe as Japan, and while this one incident has drawn much attention, not
long ago Japanese businessmen were kidnapped and/or killed in Peru, the Phil-
lipines, the Carribean, not to mention SE Asia, Africa, etc. This will no
doubt increase as Japanese continue to travel overseas. As for what to do
when confronted by ``an angry, gun-toting American,'', they might better
concentrate of what to do when confronted by anyone, angry or otherwise, 
carrying a weapon of almost any kind.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 12:01:27 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sea of East, Korea, Japan.
	<Bwzwo5.3uC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<XAVIER.92Nov4201358@kuee.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
	<Bx7v42.711@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<XAVIER.92Nov6154146@kuee.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp>

Mr. Komatsu,

                                        Hi! Although your infomation
about  the Sea of  East, Ko-ryu, Nippon is informative it is however
lame. If we  were to use commonsense for a minute,  maybe  we would
realize that Ko-ryu is closer 
to this body of water the Russia.  With this in mind,  it is most likely
that these people  Ko-ryuns, like us  Japanese , would have called it
home.  It is with out a doubt that the Chinese or Ko-ryu named this sea.
Why we Japanese would rather side with the Caucasian culture even when
it is beyond common sense is ridiculous. You go to a great school. You
should take advantage of some commonsense also.  Maybe I can help you
get on the right track by inputing a few  simple commonsense questions:

Is Russia closer to this sea than either Zhong Guo, Corea or Nihon?
Did  Zhong Guo, Corea and Nippon exist before the 17th and 18th centuries?
Did  the people of Ko-ryo have an intelligent way of communication?
When did the Japanses begin to accept that the Caucasian culture is the
only individuals who have unquestionable  right as to where what is and
what it should be called?

                                     Now,  before you shared your
research with us I was about make a compromise and call this the Sea of
the East. I think that everyone can share these god given waters. I have
decided at this point to 
call this, "The Ko-ryuan(Korean) Sea!!"  And may live as such, forever.


                                                                        
                                                          I see
that you also call yourself  "Xavier".  Great men of reseach have strode
to be unbiased.


                      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:50:51 GMT
Organization: N/I

In article <1992Nov5.163832.10554@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette) writes:
[ ... ]
>For example, here in California, a gun course will be required to buy
>a gun starting July '93.  I may not have all the details correct
>(e.g., not sure if applies to only a class of guns).  The course must
>not cost more than $20, and if one fails three times then the license
>is granted anyway.

I understand the "safety" course will be required only for handguns.

But -- surprise! -- 2/3 of the guns sold in Kalifornia are handguns.  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: Plutonium
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:02:00 GMT

In article <Bxn2tC.MwB@world.std.com>, cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes...
> 
>The only thing to add to the info is that this is just the first shipment!
>The total amount will add up to be greater than the US and CIS supplies
>together.  

Perhaps this is not so surprising, considering that Carter killed the US
fast-breeder reactor program some time ago.  The only other country I am
aware of that has an equivalent fast-breeder reactor program is France
and I think it is called Super-Phenix.  I heard that there are plans to
build a reprocessing facility in Japan.  So eventually the shipments and
the French contracts will no longer be necessary.  Japan will have
its own regular supply of plutonium.

BTW, there has been demonstrations here outside the Japanese consulate
in Geneva.  I wonder if there are demonstrators are outside the French
consulate as well since they reprocessed the fuel for the Japanese.

-- Makoto
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: manslaughter
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:59:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: tui.SMITTIE.92Nov9115931
	<Yeyen1u00Vp180zVEV@andrew.cmu.edu> <BxBJ8v.A0q@world.std.com>
	<7433@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <BxBJ8v.A0q@world.std.com>, cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
writes:

=> Mr Asano
=>
=>   There have been some very racist posts made to S.C.J over the past six
=> months, but no person has demonstrated the level of intolerance ,
xenophobia,
=> and racism that you demonstrate on a regular basis. I honestly do not
=> understand how you can bear to look in the mirror after posting some of
=> this hate filled trash. It is obvious from your patronizing and
condescending
=> manner , that even those minorities that you pretend to feel solidarity
with,
=> you still fail to respect.
=>
=>   Now you are using the tragic death of a young boy to try to incite even
=> more intolerance and racism.
=>
=> I am disgusted!
=>
=> My apologies to the rest of the group for this outburst.

Well and concisely stated. I agree with Mr. Lambert, no apologies necessary.
You took the words right off my keyboard.

smittie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: sjo@cci632.cci.com (Steve Owens)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:56:45 GMT

In article <Bx84DM.ILM@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.202157.8767@cci632.cci.com> sjo@cci632.cci.com (Steve Owens) writes:
>>In article <Bx6rqE.LF6@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>
>>>   Even if it's true that the number is not large, those cases are still a
>>>tragedy. If there's a way to decrease the number, wouldn't it be
>>>reasonable to go for it?
>
>>	Yep.  Let's ban swimming pools and stairs.  :-)
>
>  Ha ha ha... Funny.
>.....
>>>   If the person who shot Yoshi Hattori had received a better training,
>>>they might not have had to make someone who could be judged as a murderer 
>>>out of those who want to defend themselves.  
>
>>	True, and I'd much rather see the government spend money on
>>proper firearms training than on legislation and bans that serve no
>>useful purpose.
>
>     Do you have any idea how to encourage people to take the training
>without legislation?

	Sorry if I wasn't clear.  What I meant to say is that, instead
of the government spending the money on passing and enforcing the Brady
Bill, I would much rather see them put that money towards training.
It wasn't my intent to infer that legislation was required to get them
to take the training (although I have been in favor of some form of
mandatory training for some time now.)

>>However, trying to convince the US government of this 
>>is like trying to convince a child that eating too much candy is bad 
>>for him/her.  For some reason, they feel the need to find out for
>>themselves.
>
>     I think that money could be a good incentive especially in the US.
>If the pro-gun lobbyists and pressure groups find that they could make a 
>good business out of the firearm education, the government will follow,
>won't it?

	I don't know.  I don't like to think of making a profit from
something like firearms training.  Maybe that's why the government
doesn't support the idea (ie, they must think like me.  God, what an
awful thought that is.  :-)

	The NRA currently has some excellent training programs that
are given for free or at cost, yet I haven't heard of overcrowding
in these classes.  IMHO, I don't think people would spend the money
on something like this if they didn't feel it was mandatory.

(NOTE: I'm not saying the government should make it mandatory this time,
just that I don't think people would take it if they didn't feel it
was required.)

>
>Michiaki Masuda


					Steve


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Splitting soc.culture.japan
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:10:21 GMT

In article <cTq2TB5w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
>I see no reason to split soc.culture.japan.

   I second this.

>  If we can put an end to the 
>Louisiana thread

   Sorry, folks. I went too far. Since our site doesn't have t.p.g., I ended
up with causing an obnoxious noise in s.c.j. Yes, I realize it and will put
an end to my "Louisiana" thing. I'm sure that would help A LOT. Enough said, 
enough heard and enough learned anyway... (Of course, I don't mean to say
that others should stop this thread in s.c.j.)

>  I would, however, like to be much 
>better informed about current events in Japan

   Agreed.

> and am always disappointed 
>that headlines from the papers or other current issues are not discussed 
>in as much detail as I'd like to have.

   Limited availability of the information on Japan might be one reason why
we sometimes cannot go in detail.

>  Just my 2 yen :-)

   It worked. 8-)

--Michiaki   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Clinton and Sanyo
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:45:38 GMT

I heard on "Marketplace" (public radio here in the US) that while many 
Japanese leaders are a bit wary of Clinton, supposedly the people at 
Sanyo were quite impressed with him personally anyways. He met them while 
trying to get business investments in Arkansas, and what the radio said 
was that the Sanyo brass were very impressed with Clinton's musical 
abilities... how well he did karaoke, and then when he took out his 
saxaphone.  Now only if Miyazawa could jam with him... ;)
:::::Larry:::::

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:54:32 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>7. Those of you in Japan could at least inform your acquaintances there that
>   the shooter was remorseful. And that the lack of arrest does not mean that
>   he will not be indicted.

I am sure that Hattori's parents find great relief in the fact that the shooter
says he's sorry. I am also sure that all of my Japanese friends will feel much
safer coming to America knowing that the shooter, who took the life of another
human being MIGHT be indicted.

smittie
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From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Why is this question even being asked? (Re: What about Korean, Taiwanese in Internment?)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:40:35 GMT

>Whenever I point out, for example, that Japanese textbooks mention little about
>the atrocities committed by the imperial army in Nanking, the only comment that
>they seem to have is, "Well... The gov't wants 'it' that way, so shikata ga nai."

Which is about the same response Americans give when it is pointed out that
American text books don't mention or bend the truth on events such as Little
Big Horn, the Internment of Japanese, the Trail of Tears, etc.

smittie

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From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: call for a new newsgroup
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Nov10.081605.25034@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp>
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:22:13 GMT

I too would like to see a return of the scholars and more intelligent
discussions.

A lot of interesting things are going on with regard to Japanese politics,
economics, culture, etc. The current threads here are only so much garbage.

smittie
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