From: Kevin.J.Feury@dartmouth.edu (Kevin J. Feury)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Want Metallica info
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:56:13 GMT
 <1992Apr5.071029.12143@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
 <1992Apr5.184830.25747@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr5.184830.25747@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
jks2x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason) writes:


> 	You ask which albums are as good as the new one.  I'm affraid 
> you have it backwards.  The correct question is: which albums aren't 
> as mediocre as the new one.  Keep reading this newsgroup and you'll
> see what long-time fans think of the new album.  Or watch them in
> concert when the band plays the new stuff.  A lot of the older fans
> will be scowling and sleeping when the new stuff is played.  I know 
> that's what I was doing.  When the mosh pit disolves something is wrong.

i love to mosh it up as much as the next guy, but i see nothing wrong
with the pit dissoving for a while. it's not like it doesn't reform.
when i saw the concert, that happened time and again. i don't see the
problem with it. some people just aren't into the serious mosh...even
some of the older fans. some people just like the songs but not the
action.

> 	As for what the band is like:  Their basic attitude (at least
> before the new album) is 'fuck the business'.

not true. perhaps for KEA and even RTL, but that's definitely not the
way MOP was written. and for sure not AJFA. they were not out to fuck
the business. in the beginning they were out to 'fuck everybody' of
course, being intelligent souls like they are, and maturing with age,
they realized that this was childish and adopted a more mature
attitude.

>  They did everything
> in their power to resist attempts by the record biz to control them.

like what? as if they had any power over the company.

> One of their biggest things was not making any videos.  They shattered
> that by making the video for 'One'.  Now they don't seem to have a 
> problem with them (though a lot of _US_ do).  

the question you should ask is why they didn't do videos. why not?
because they didn't feel that they had produced a song that would fit
into a video form. when RTL came out, they pondered and even shot a bit
of footage for a 'for whom the bell tolls' video, but decided it wasn't
working so they canned it. when 'one' came along, it was the first
video that they had a concept and an idea of a video for, so they did
it. it was certainly one of the most different videos (at least before
mtv chopped it to the 6 minute 'jammin' version) and what is wrong with
making videos? i don't see sepultura or megadeth or slayer fans
bitching and moaning because their favorite band makes videos?

> They also write lyrics
> that actually make you think.  You really don't get as much of this
> on the new album as with the middle three (KEA wasn't as lyrically
> deep as RTL, MOP, and AJFA).

i wouldn't call RTL particularly deep. the concepts on it certainly
aren't novel, with the possible exception of 'creeping death' i'm not
saying it's not good or not intelligent, but it certainly doesn't
compare to AJFA. MOP is better, but i feel that AJFA is their lyrical
pinnacle. i agree that the lyricas on METALLICA are different, but
that's because the subjet matter is very different from that on
previous albums. there's a definite shitf away from the actual world
that you can see, tuch, feel and experience and toward a more inner,
mental state of being. the concepts are more difficult to grasp, but
certainly as good as any other album, except perhaps AJFA.

>  Their music (at least the old stuff) 
> isn't written for the eMpTyV crowd.  

their music isn't written for any crowd. as long ago as '84, cliff said
the band wrote for themselves and not for their fans, and the conmments
of james and lars on the new album back this up further. the new album
was written for their enjoyment and expression. when i heard it for the
first time, i sure as hell didn't think it would become nearly as
popular as it has. and bakc then, there weren't these complaints about
selling out. that's happened only in the last month or two.

> 	Trivia question for all you Metallifans out there:  What
> was their ORIGINAL name?  I'll tell you in my next post.

if it's the one i'm thinking of (which i only heard dave mustaine
mention once) it's kind of hilarious. thank god they never recorded
under it...i'll leave the secret open though...

-kev.

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