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From: rev@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: What is "alternative"
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:55:34 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

"Megan E. Dietz" <md3n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> >> I hope to God that none of your favorite bands ever make it big. If they
> >> do, you might not be able to bring yourself to abandon them, and then
> >> who will you be? Another mainstreamer. 
> > 
> >	I would never abandon a band who hasn't changed.
> 
> That's all that matters, then. Agreed?
> 
> I guess I just kind of get a kick out of being able to turn on the radio
> and hear 'Say Hello 2 Heaven' by Temple of the Dog (it's on right now).
> After years and years of Phil Collins and Whitney Houston, it's nice to
> at least have a possibility of hearing a good tune every now and then.
> 
> My biggest problem is with Red Hot Chili Peppers fans who *loved* "Blood
> Sugar Sex Magik" until this summer when it got big. The music DID NOT
> change -- they just played 'Under the Bridge' ad nauseum. Personally, I
> don't care if it's some 7th grade class's class song. I still and will
> always think it is beautiful. Mainstream or not.
> 
> Happy happy holidays to all and see Alice in Chains/Screaming Trees if
> you get a chance. I wept.
> 
> Megan
> ------------
> I don't need to be forgiven
> 
> Megan
> ---------------------------
> I don't need to be forgiven

  Do you consider it any more 'correct' to start disliking the RHCPs not
because of Under the Bridge, but because of their entire album?  I was into
them about three years ago with Mother's Milk (still an awesome record).  When
the new one came out, I figured I'd like it, even though I hadn't been really
into them for so long.  But I can't... its all one huge, over-used, heavily
commercialized cliche.  Theres something about a rock band that can be used to
sell Nikes which just doesn't appeal to me.
  The point is, in some cases the music changes, and the person listening to it
doesn't.  You'll find most RHCP fans who dislike BSS&M will still tell you they
listen to the older, more 'legitimate' stuff.

rev.

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: EDDIE VEDDER NOT DEAD: stop wasting bandwidth!
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:18:50 GMT

Every few days, Eddie Vedder dies...and then gets reborn?
And dies again....that is, if you read alt.music.alternative.

Eddie Vedder is quite alive and well, and is working on th
new album.  As for his potential of dying anytime soon,
well, he doesn;t do any drug, so that's out, though I suppose
there is always the possibility of a meteor falling on him
and killing him, or maybe a tragic blimp accident.

STOP POSTING OBVIOUSLY STUPID RUMORS!!!!

Here's an example:

"My friend's uncle, who knows a guy who works
for Spin tolm my sister that he heard on MTV that
oneof the VJ's husbands mother heard from a friend that
Eddie Vedder died from a massive cocaine overdose
complicated by heroin and a yeast infection!
Is this true????!?!?!?!?"


--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
From: reeder@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Gregory L Reeder)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: ministry and country music.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:01:28 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

timothy@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy J Mentzer) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.010818.3457@athena.mit.edu> arashk@athena.mit.edu (Arash Komeili) writes:
>>at the ministry/helmet show they played the countriest country music between
>>sets. I thought it was pretty damn cool.
>>ak

>A friend of mine from Chicago said that Al Jourgensen is getting heavily into
>country music and is even looking to move Wax Trax to Nashville, so he will
>be closer to Country musicians so he can record with them.
>ti

I heard Al & Co. are starting a studio in Austin, Texas and it has nothing
to do with Wax Trax.


						- Greg
From: joelg@wildcat.corp.sgi.com (Joel Guilhamet)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: WATT'S ODE TO FLANNEL
Date: 19 Dec 1992 06:21:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: wildcat.corp.sgi.com

Well, Neil's memory is not working too well lately!  Actually, he read the
article authored by Mike Watt about flannel in Details.  Neil is getting
confused by a sidebar artile that appeared in the sept/oct issue of Option
where Mike Watt talks with Thurston Moore about Peter Frampton, Kiss, and
Rick Derringer.  I should know because they were my copies that Neil read.
Just wanted to set the record strait!

In article <4842.66.uupcb@uttsbbs.uucp> neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) writes:
>Mike Watt did a piece on the greatness of flannel in Option magazine a
>few months ago.  It was the issue with Thurston Moore and on of the
>Beastie Boys on the cover.
>                                                                                          


-- 

Joel Guilhamet
joelg@corp.sgi.com
From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu (NAME)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: HELP... holiday in cambodia
Date: 19 Dec 1992 09:35:08 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <Dec19.052557.57061@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.230751.15961@scott.skidmore.edu> mhaitkin@scott.skidmore.edu (meredith haitkin) writes:
>>I MUST know who sings the song "holiday in Cambodia".  I have heard it
>>alot recently but I know that it's been around quite some time.
>>Anyone know?
>>			thanks...  Love, Meri
>
>Well Meri, that's Eddie Vedder's voice you're hearing, although the Dead
>Kennedy's are singing back-up vocals.  your welcome...  Love, Mark


Uh...a joke, right?

It should be the Dead Kennedys with Jello Biafra's voice that you hear...in all
its nasal, whiny glory...Or it could be Laaz Rocket..or it could be whoever
covered the song on the Virus 100 tribute disc...I thought it was Faith No More
but I could be wrong 'cuz I don't own the disc yet...

The Laaz Rocket cover is pretty bad but still amusing...

If the Eddie Vedder comment is not a joke..I apologize...I just haven't heard
it yet...Gee...just what I need...yet another single, 12", boxed 12", cd
single, and 12" picture disc (all with different tunes on them of course) to
add to the collection...sigh


Later
-justin



Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: vanlamme@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (VAN LAMMEREN M - ENGLISH)
Subject: Top 92 of '92  
Summary: user survey
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:09:51 GMT


Top 92 of '92 Survey
     	For the first time ever, the "Touch My Monkey" show 
will be accepting submissions for the Top 92 of '92 from 
anywhere in the world via Email on Usenet.
	The results of this survey will become our playlist 
for as many hours as it takes to play the best 92 releases 
of 1992.
	Normally, we just survey people who live within our 
broadcasting area, but they're not much fun, and always vote 
for Bryan Adams and Tom Cochrane.
	You can now be a part of a broadcast on CKMS 100.3 FM 
that you can never hear!
	However, all respondants will be Emailed a copy of 
the Top 92 of '92, and at the end of their lives, can look 
back on this incredible event with fond remembrances of pride 
mixed with futility.
	Be an insignificant part of history today--respond to 
the "Touch My Monkey" survey.

touchmymonkeytouchmymonkeytouchmymonkey

How to Respond:

1.  Email Mike van Lammeren <vanlamme@watserv1.Uwaterloo.ca> 
with your favourite thiry songs that were released in 1992.

2.  Your list must include the name of the song, the album 
the song appeared on, and the band that released the song.

3.  Your songs must be numbered (1 to 30) and appear in order 
with your most favourite as number 1.

example
      SONG        ALBUM                 BAND
1.  Scrapyard	Last Rights           Skinny Puppy
2.  Kill        Premeditated Murder   Malhavoc
3.  100%        Dirty                 Sonic Youth
etc...

	As an extra special bonus, early respondants may 
provide one question directed towards the members of Pigface 
at an interview we will be conducting on Sunday, December 20, 
1992 in Toronto, Ontario, CANADA.  Any respondants who so 
desire may have the complete text of the interview Emailed to 
them.

	So get those surveys in right away.  History awaits you.

Mike van Lammeren <vanlamme@watserv1.Uwaterloo.ca>
"Get in, get out, and clean up later."

P.S.  Pearljam's "Ten," Nirvana's "Nevermind," and the Red Hot 
Chili Peppers' "Blood Sugar Sex Magik" were all released in 1991.
From: jc@apple.com (jc)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: NIN "murder"(was Re: nin - fixed)
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:53:29 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: noodle soup

In article <1gb0ehINNhff@tamsun.tamu.edu>, halo@tamsun.tamu.edu (Dr. Strangelove) writes:
> 
> In article <Bz3ypo.Jw@acsu.buffalo.edu> v065q4dn@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (HELP ME I'M IN HELL) writes:
> <>Don't know about that, but MTV's been running the video for 'Pinion'.
> <>About 45 seconds long with a _real_ disturbing ending... cool!
> 
> <..I know of the "Down in it Video".... i myself have never seen it, but i
> <heard that a camera was suspended of a balloon, which floated in the air, and
> <taped a mock murder for the video....well, the balloon went it's own way and
> <was retreived by local authorities who were convinced it was an actual murder.
> <They took the tape to a local high school hoping that a student might know
> <someone in the video...someone recognized the male as Trent... i'm pretty sure
> <this video was banned..but don't quote me on it..
> 
> Here's my $.02... this is what I remember of the newspaper article that
> covered that story.  They didn't mention a mock murder in the article but they
> did say that the person on the tape looked really pale (i.e. dead) and the
> person that found it thought that it was a tape of someone that _was_ murdered.
> The balloon landed on some farmer's field I believe.  Of course, the article
> probably left out a lot of the details.  I didn't know about the high school
> part.

Here's how I heard it: the balloon with the camera (which had been taping 
Trent, who, incidentally, was laying on the ground and sprinkled with flour) 
escaped and taped a bit of the local scenery (buildings and such) before 
landing in a field.  The camera was found by a farmer who turned it in to the 
police who in turn handed it over to the FBI.  The "scene of the crime" was 
recoginzed as Chicago, and the FBI began asking around at local camera stores 
about who had recently purchased that particular model of camera ...  About 8 
months after the taping, Trent's manager received a call asking him if Trent 
was still alive and could he prove it.

I heard they had a special team of about 8 agents dedicated to the
case.  Ah, good to see our tax dollars at work...

jc
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: igj@amy13.stanford.edu (Ian Glen Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Songs With Obnoxiously Long Titles
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 05:40:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.104602.29491@ifi.uio.no> berntr@ifi.uio.no (Bernt  
Olav Rostad) writes:
> 
> 
>   The longest title I can think of must be track #7
> from the latest Alice Donut album _The Untidy
> Suicides Of Your Degenerate Children_ and it goes like 
> this:
> 
> 
> 
>    "The son of a disgrunted x-postal worker reflects on his life,
>     while getting stoned in the parking lot of a winn dixie
>     listening to Metallica" 
> 
> 
> Anyone better ?
> 


Pink Floyd:

"Several species of small furry mammals gathered together in a cave and  
grooving with a pict."  Not longer, but funnier.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: MiniDisc is here!
From: ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:38:26 GMT

saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe) writes:

>knew your technology history you would know that Phillips was the company
>that invented digital storage media for music.  They have set the worldwide
>standards.  And even today I have a Magnavox CD player, which has the same
>internals as the Pioneer and one other brands (at least!) CD player.  All
>made by PHILLIPS!  So, don't be surprised if DCC catches on and Sony bites
>the big one.

Everyone seems to be claiming they invented the CD.  Didn't Sony have
something about it?  Besides, Phillips did invent CD-I, which looks like a
big loser.
-- 
               -  Ishir Bhan -  ibhan@husc.harvard.edu  - 
                                     - - - 
           "Your hats all off and I'm...gone away." -The Cure
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: Re: Nirvana "throwaways"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:50:28 GMT

ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:


>Does anyone knowhat's going to be on Throwaways by Nirvana?  (an,d when it is
>going to be released?)

>I already have (on a tape I copied myself)  :

>(Let's iss if I remember)

>School (live)
>Even in His Youth
>Anyrism (spelling!)
>plus a lot of others that I don't rmemeber!
>Been a Son

>ARGH.

>Anyway, I found a DGC import called hormoning which had a few new songs on it (D-7
>and maybe one other) that I ddon't have.  I was wondering if I needed to buy this
>import or will the songs be on Throwaways?
>-- 

Aside from spelling...It came out today (12-15).  It has 14 tracks.
Molly's Lips
Aneuryism (sp?)
Sliver
Dive
Been A Son
Downer (from Bleach CD)

Those are a few of them.  I think that 4 of the 6 songs from "Hormoaning" are 
on there.  In know "Even In His Youth" wasn't, neither was "Endless, Nameless"
(the infamous 13th track from Nevermind).  Some other stuff I didn't recognize.

Caine Schneider

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From: olivier@everest.ee.umn.edu (Olivier Meirhaeghe)
Subject: Re: lemonheads ?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:48:07 GMT

In <Dec14.080813.24309@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein) writes:

>where the hell can i find 'Mrs. Robinson' or 'Luka'?
>120 says mrs.robinson is off It's a shame but...

	Questions like that can be answered in the last spin. 
	why suck bndwith with stuff life that ? ever been in a rrecord
	store ?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Dave Kendall fired from 120 minutes
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 08:18:14 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:

>   <Hating MTV and Dave Kendall> == <ain't gettin' any>...???

I think the implication is that anyone who has enough free time to whip up
a furious hate against MTV in general and Dave Kendall in particular
probably has way too much time on their hands.  I mean, really . . . who
cares?  It's like being offended by the existence of dryer lint.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: greenman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Derek Green)
Subject: I need your opinions
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:17:28 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Will you guys give me your opinions on the following albums:  (1) 3D's
Hellzapoppin' (2) Eugenius (3) Drive Like Juhu (4) Unrest-Imperial
(5) Ween-the Pod.  I'm thinking about buying them.  Thanks
greenamn@lamar.colostate.edu   Derek Green
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: bobn@bobn.endicott.ibm.com (Bob Niedergerke)
Subject: Re: New Order
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:35:00 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: bobn@vnet.ibm.com (Bob Niedergerke)
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <1992Dec17.053533.7615@leland.Stanford.EDU> cheng@leland.Stanford.EDU (Cheng-hao Patrick Song) writes:
>Does anyone know what the song "Evil Dust" sounds like? According to the
>discography, it appears on the UK CDV of "True Faith".

It is essentially just an instrumental version of "Angel Dust", which is on
Brotherhood.

>I heard John Denver sued New Order for copying one of his songs. Does
>anybody know what the offending song was? What's the name of John Denver's
>song?

He sued over "Run", which he contended was similar to "I'm leaving on a
jet plane" which he recorded.  According to Select magazine, this was
settled without ever going to court, though the exact settlement was not
revealed.

bobn
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IBM Corp., Endicott Glendale Labs
Endicott, NY
From: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: playskool brain...
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:11:15 GMT
Reply-To: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA


    from the muppet-hating desk of caroliner rainbow:

to he who said that nick cave was shit: you can take your fucking reading 
festival and shove it up your ass...

     -  caroliner tunnel vision hamhock surprise.
From: Cannam@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: MiniDisc is here! -- Also, Skin.
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:00:51
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: quattro.zib-berlin.de
In-reply-to: flamengo@wpi.WPI.EDU's message of 14 Dec 1992 22:22:50 GMT


In article <1gj1fqINNelu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> flamengo@wpi.WPI.EDU
(Lourenco William Dantas) writes:

   In article <ibhan.724366214@husc10> ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir
   Bhan) writes: 

   >Hey, did anyone notice that MiniDisc, Sony's new optical CD-like recording
   >format is here? [...] The whole idea strikes me as far
   >better than DCC.

	   Why do you want the MDs to catch on? I am hoping that the DCCs
	   are the format that captures consumers. This way I can continue
	   listening to my tapes.

I intend to continue listening to my tapes anyway.

	   With the DCCs, a 
	   system will just have to include the receiver, CD player, and a
	   DCC player, unlike a setup with a MD, which in addition to a
	   tape deck (substituting the DCC player) will have to include
	   the MD player.

But if you've already got the receiver, CD player and cassette deck,
you'll have to buy exactly one more thingy whichever you get.  I hate
them both: DCCs are tacky and crap (I preferred DAT, even if it was
expensive and not backward-compatible), and although MD is a `nicer'
medium, it's still probably going to be a bit limited, and fuck knows
what it'll cost.  (anyone? anyone?)

[---]

While I'm here, another subject: anyone got any comments on Skin's
(oldish) `Blood, Women and Roses' album?  I bought it the other day
and it's very very variable: can I judge the more recent Skin effort
by it?  There's nothing on it to compare with, say, Swans'
`Blackmail'; a few of the songs are very good, and a few of them are
complete wank.  (Mostly the ones on which Jarboe tries to hold a
tune.)


							Chris

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mropp@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: opinions wanted
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 20:22:27 GMT

don't waste your money.....we don't like any of those bands.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: cei308@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Jet Girl)
Subject: Re: real "women's music".
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:44:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.132551.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> cwoolner@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>okay, i know the whole "why women's music is crap" thing has died down,
>but i find it very sad that no one was able to come up with any all/mostly
>female bands outside of L7 and babes in toyland. and someone dared to call
>music by women a "genre". fuck u. just because a band had members without
>dicks does not mean they sound anything like another female band. "men's
>music?" all male bands all sounding alike, oh, you'd never hear anyone say
>such a thing. okay, just some names for all you clueless types. most of
>these bands are not alternative, according to the stuff that's talked about
>on this list, but here you go. bikini kill, heavens to betsy, bratmobile,
>calamity jane, lunachicks, dickless, spitboy, tiger trap, chicken milk,
>cheesecake, tribe 8, fifth column, the list goes on. 
>-christina 

As I remember in my reply to the original letter, I mentioned bands such as the
Go Go's, the Bangles, the Pandoras and the Runaways, none of which are partic
-ularly like Babes In Toyland or Hole or L7(well, the Runaways maybe...)
It is strange cos you say that it is sad that no one mentioned other bands,
but then go on to list a number of "foxcore" (bleugh) or grrrl bands yourself.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I did also mention artists such as Carole
King and kd lang, both of which could NOT be described as grrrls although the
possibility of kd lang singing "you fucking bitch, uou cunt hole bitch" a la
 Kat Bjelland would be very interesting.
 What is your actual point Christina???? 
 love and vibes
 Joolz
-- 
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 *** "Happiness is not a potato"            *     JOOLZ THE JET GIRL    ***
 ***      Jeanette Winterson                * cei308@uk.ac.coventry.cck ***
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mtlatour@next11 (MATTHEW T. LATOURETTE)
Subject: Re: Why is women's music crap.
Reply-To: mtlatour@mathlab.mtu.edu
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.230215.23631@wam.umd.edu>  
moleface@next03cville.wam.umd.edu (Ashley Edward Collins) writes:
> In article <ByzzLA.27x@newcastle.ac.uk> Neil.Rodgers@newcastle.ac.uk  
(Neil  
> Rodgers) writes:
> > Does anybody know of any good all-female bands?
> > 
> > I doubt it because there is no such thing. I think that all women  
should  
> get on with what they
> > are supposed to be doing - like the washing up for example, and  
cooking  
> us proper people (men) the
> > dinner etc.
> > 
> > If anyone knows of any female musicians, please chain them to the  
> nearest kitchen sink, and let
> > them get on with the only thing they are capable of.
> 
> Ever hear of L7, asshole?  I'm not a huge, radical feminist, but COME  
> ON!!!!  It's attitudes like this that put this shithole of a country  
where  
> it is right now (incidentally, are you acquainted with that cock who  
> insists that anyone who likes "mainstream alternative" is a frat-boy?)
Chill out. The asshole who wrote the original post is attempting to start  
a major flame war. Don't bite the bait. If everyone ignores him we'll piss  
him off because his whole intention was to gain self esteem through the  
waste of bandwidth.

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