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From: gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Mutant: question
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:12:23 GMT
Reply-To: gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Mar31.193619.1@amherst.edu> dethomas@amherst.edu (The Human Torch) writes:
>
>Pardon me, but what on earth gave you the impression that Cyclops and Wolverine
>were "powerful" mutants? They both have were good combat skills and other
>learned skills as well as good offensive powers, but on the power scale, I
>would say Franklin Richards (if they ever define his powers) and Magneto, as
>well as a few others that I can't think of right now would wipe up the flor
>with either of them if they wanted to.
>


I agree.....Wolvie and Cyclops are NOT very powerful.  But there is
a perception by some that they are.  Maybe this is just the confusion
of most powerful vs. most influential (as evicdenced by the confusion
in the "12" thread).

However, I have said before that I think Jean is more powerful than
Maggs.  SHe should be able to match most of his magnetic powers
with TK, and then she has her psi-abilities.  The way they ahve
been writing Maggs, though, he's godlike!

>
>Why is gambit excluded from psionic attack? As for Betsy, she has been taken
>out by psionic attack before. That's primarily how people have gotten to her. 
>
A couple of times people have tried to scan Gambit and they say
"his thoughts are like quicksilver, can't hold them" 
(can't Marvel writers think of new phrases????).
I didn't know that about Betsy......guess her shields arenth
that great, huh???

gary
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Mutant: question
Date: 7 Apr 1992 14:38:46 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr7.031223.7588@midway.uchicago.edu> gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I agree.....Wolvie and Cyclops are NOT very powerful.  But there is
>a perception by some that they are.  Maybe this is just the confusion
>of most powerful vs. most influential (as evicdenced by the confusion
>in the "12" thread).

	FYI, I've never seen Wolverine as being one of 'the 12.'
Anyway, Wolverine and Cyke are not powerful, but they are highly
skilled and experienced.  (Ever wonder why Nightwing/Robin led
the Teen Titans?  Hint: it's not because of his utility belt).

>However, I have said before that I think Jean is more powerful than
>Maggs.  SHe should be able to match most of his magnetic powers
>with TK, and then she has her psi-abilities.  The way they ahve
>been writing Maggs, though, he's godlike!

	Well, while I don't want to get into a "Hoo'd Win" arguement,
Maggs has been consistently protrayed as having a will strong enough to
hold off Xavier's telepathy for a time.  So Jean's lesser power has 
about zero chance of affecting him.  Also, Magg's magnetic powers has
nearly unlimited potential (except recently, when he was injured), and
Jean has definate limits.  Maggs' power of using magnetic fields to
manipulate non-ferrous materials may be on a par with Jean, but 
if there's metal around, Maggs is going to win.  
	Magneto is supposed to be a villain powerful enough to handle
the entire roster of the X-men all by himself.  There's no way
(barring the infamous Plaht Device) a single X-person is going to 
going to have a shot of beating him in combat.
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
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Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism.
From: drichey@eng.auburn.edu (David M. Richey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:37:19 GMT
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

>>>Well without SS, what does spidey have on venom? Venom is move viscous,
>>>stronger, tougher, and faster.
>>>
>>Actually, Spidey doesn't even have his spider-sense when it comes to
>>Venom and Carnage.  Neither of them trip his spider-sense, which is one
>>of the main reasons they give him such a hard time.  The only thing
>
>I just read my marvel universe on Venom last night, and found out that not
>only does Spideys SS not work around Venow, but that the alien costume
>actually gives Venom/Brock a pseudo-spider-sense of his own.
>So now, Venom is stronger, more vicious, tougher, and faster tahn spidey,
>and he has a spider sense.  Pretty impressive that spidey is still alive if
>you ask me...
>

You're forgetting Spidey's greatest power: his brain! Pete's a really smart
guy (although his stories are sometimes written by smart guys NOT, so it's
easy to forget...)

It's ironic that with all his superpowers, the thing that saves him most often
is something he didn't gain from that radioactive spider bite.

David
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: morrow@fnalf.fnal.gov (The Third Elmo)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD Award Name
Organization: Muppetgame IV
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:55:45 GMT

	I, personally, cast my vote for calling the best/worst PAD awards:

        	THE SUCKIES

        Only in direct analogy to the Squiddies, of course, not the constantly
reappearing conflict over obsequious behavior towards Mr. David.
-- 
"The state trooper was driving a Fury II.  State troopers _love_ Fury IIs. 
 State troopers will go on driving Fury IIs until some car company puts out a
 car called Kill.  Then state troopers will drive Kills.  State troopers get
 their self image from Marvel Comics."
--Donald E. Westlake

elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov,morrow@physics.rice.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it)
Subject: Re: Youngblood out, let's get busy(tm)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:17:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.232033.24357@cs.mcgill.ca> ipkh@cs.mcgill.ca writes:
>
>   At your mark, get set, GO!  All right, Youngblood is out, so let
>   start the bashing.  :)
>
>   Just for the fun of it, I bought Youngblood today.  Not impressed at
>   all. Some of these guys are the exact replica of X-Force.
>
>   Vogue-->Domino
>   Diehard-->Deadpool
>   Shaft-->Cannonball
>   Cougar-->Feral
>   Sentinel-->Brigade (??) What's his face, the guy who wanted Cable.
>
>   Anyway, I could tolerate the art, (if you like drawings of guys with
>   the body of Arnold with heads the size of peas) if it was not for the
>   consistency of the drawings.  On one of the pages,( darn book doesn't
>   even have page numbers and half the book was upside down.  I suppose
>   they thought it was original...NOT), Combat (who looks awfully like 
>   Therax (??) (The guy who used to be Galactus' goffer)) has normal
>   little ears with both arms a la Colossus and you flip to the next
>   page, what dayya see?  The same guy with ears that would make any
>   vulcan daddy proud and one metallic arm.
>
>   Another thing, Bedrock's (who looks somewhat like Concrete) mom
>   looks around her 20ish.  Unless I'm mistaken and Bedrock is suppose
>   to be a kid.
>
>   Man that was fun.  Anybody care to join in :).

That issue was great!!!! I think I'll sell mine for $100. a la wolvie holo.
Any takers?  :)
  

NOT!!!!! 

Mikel B.
>=============================================================================
>Jack Kwok Hung Ip         | McGill University 
>ipkh@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca | Montreal, Quebec, Canada 
>=============================================================================


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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: X-notes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:36:11 GMT

>
>This is FICTION after all.  Let's not lose our grip on reality.
>
>________________________________________________________________________________
>
>                                 -SPEED RACER-                    
>                                     Tracy      
>                              Texas A&M University
>                                   WHOOP!!!!

This from a person called Speed Racer?  :)

------SCAVENGER

-- 
If some unemployed punk in New Jersey, can     |kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu <-I.NET
get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:34:16 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Re:  Jim Cowling's post.

Just to keep the record straight--I take responsibility for anything I wrote
(although I'd disagree with some assessments, but that's a matter of opinion)
but not for what I didn't write.  If you didn't like the dialogue for 
that one issue of Starman, then mea culpa.  But I didn't do the plot--that
was Keith Giffen.  The only plot element I introduced was the notion that 
there was an off-camera narrator called "The Swatcher," which I added to
try and give the story more cohesion.  If *that's* the cliched element
you didn't like, then I cop to it.  

PAD
From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 10 Apr 1992 15:18:11 -0700
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.140751.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>> "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I do best isn't very
>> nice. ..."
>
>	You have sown the wind, now reap the whirlwind!
>	...the purest expression of my (mutant/magical) power

  Back when Jim Shooter was Editor-in-Chief, my teeth would grind every time
I read AMAZING SPIDER-MAN and saw

        "You can't beat a guy with the proportional speed, strength,
        and agility of a spider!"

  Like, not only was this line incredibly obvious ("Gee, he's 'Spider-Man',
wonder what his powers are?"), but the phrase "proportional speed... etc"
is *SO* awkward. I cannot imagine anyone using that in everyday speech, and
think it's a classic reference of unrealistic dialogue.

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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From: pkang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Pablo Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MISC:DC: Letter Writers (was: Whatever happened to....?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:17:49 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr15.134244.28843@news.nd.edu> mkelly@frumpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>
> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>
>|> I was just reading some old comics and I was reminded of a question I've
>|> been wanting to ask ever since I first found r.a.c.--whatever happened
>|> to T.M. Maple? Anyone who read DC Comics in the 80's I'm sure knows who
>|> it is I speak of--except that I'm not sure if anyone ever really knew
>|> who it was. He/she had letters published in just about every lettercol
>|> DC had during the 80's. Does anyone know who this person is/was and/or
>|> where he/she is now (I haven't seen any letters from him/her for
>|> years...)??
>
>	As others have said, he has "retired" from letter writing, but I think
>he just had a letter published in either Elementals or Ironwood. I wouldn't be
>suprised if such a letter was pretty old.

  It'd be nice to see a letter from T.M. Maple again...I always found it 
  funny that you just couldn't escape a letter column without seeing his
  name on it. :-)

Pablo
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT: NO!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

Are we sick of this yet? :-)  Even *I'm* getting tired of my position on
this subject! :-)

In <1992Apr9.174710.28523@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:
>Use of headers (MARVEL, DC, etc.) is the *only* way to satisfy people's
>bandwidth problems without splitting.

Better newsreaders!  Better newsreaders!  Better newsreaders!  Better newsreade

>					They are great when used properly,
>and I can't emphasize enough their usage.

What he said.

>					    If it doesn't help *you*
>personally, it will help many others.

Better newsreaders *will* help you, personally.  At least, they did me.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics:13522 comp.sys.amiga.misc:8587
From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (CHARLES JORDAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Comics Organizer Available for Amiga
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:46:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr17.194646.17209
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Originator: jordan@castor

The program "comics.lzh" at the ftp site hubcap.clemson.edu is a database
manager program to handle a comic book collection.  It can hold title,artist,
date,prices (including profit),publisher,condition,format, and notes for
each issue.  It also has a title and issue index, and can generate reports of
all issues, and oldest/most valuable/etc issues, and missing issues for
a series.  It also allows easy entry of several issues in a series.  It's
compatible with the Amiga, and has only been tested (so far) on an Amiga 500
with 1MB memory, running under workbench 1.3

It's located in the pub/amiga/incoming/uploads directory.  Source code in
Lattice C is included.

Chuck
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: voices for Sandman
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:04:12 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Distribution: na
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA

In article <1992Apr14.172624.27370@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, gls@windmill (Col. Sicherman) writes:
>	DREAM . . . . . . . Lorenzo Music
>	DEATH . . . . . . . June Foray
>	DESTINY . . . . . . Sterling Holloway
>	DESIRE  . . . . . . Pia Zadora
>	DESPAIR . . . . . . Angela Lansbury
>	DELIRIUM  . . . . . Lucille Ball
>	DESTRUCTION . . . . Paul Reubens

Pay no attention, children; Mr. Sicherman has clearly been inhaling
again.
-- 
     Doug Moran     | "Just because I wear this dress doesn't mean I don't put
{...}!hal.com!dougm | my panties on one leg at a time, if you know what I mean."
   dougm@hal.com    | "Not really."
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:02:44 GMT

In article <57138@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Funny this should be brought up now.
>
>The story in X-FACTOR #78 was squarely about abortion...originally.  The
>story focussed on the notion that women were being tested, learning that 
>their children had potential to be mutants, and were considering (or actually
>having) abortions based on that fact.  The final version was watered down to
>the point of so totally obscuring the original story concept (with the 
>addition of the notion that the mutant gene was capable of being extracted
>from the fetus rather than that women were just going to extract the fetus--
>said addition to the story NOT coming from me) that people who read it had
>no clue that it was supposed to be about abortion.
>
Actually, I would suspect the majority of comic readers also watch Star
Trek, and are used to fathoming relevant social issues out of the watered
down, user friendly stories they present.  It was crystal clear to me...

>And just to put aside any thoughts you may have--no, the demands for changes
>did not come from my editor, and they did not come from Tom DeFalco.  
>DeFalco, in point of fact, fought for the story (feeling that I had pulled 
>off a touchy subject in a tasteful and fair manner) but was overruled by
>highers up who were still jumpy over all the media attention from the 
>Alpha Flight issue.
>
>PAD

GASP!  You mean they didn't LIKE selling out the first day?!?  Having people
barge into the store, turn to the man behind the counter, ask, "Hey, do 
you have the one with the fag in it?"  And having the man merely shaking 
his head?  Can we hope for a kindler, gentler Marvel?


NAAAAAHHHHH!!!

BTW, I pointed out to the gentleman where the "fags" were in comics.  He
realy didn't seem to care.  Pity.


-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of a Bunch of Stuff tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Why would you think a priest any more moral than the rest of us?  Heavens
 sake's child, why do you think they're called 'Father?'"
					-The Company of Wolves
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Subject: Re: Underated Comics (was Re: Voice your opinions!)
Organization: Univ. of Michigan ITD Consulting & Support Services
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:04:50 GMT

Suicide Squad, the original run of Micronauts, and especially Thriller.

In the non-mainstream press, Gregory (which got rave reviews, but is
somewhat underappreciated, I think) anything I've seen by Mary Fleener
or Krystie Kittrie (sp?); Real Stuff by Dennis Eichorn (does Pekar one
better); St. Swithin's Day; and the one I feel the most strongly about--
The Complete Alec, which I think is Eddie Campbell's best work and one
of the best graphic novels I've read.
-- 
Ken Small
kens@umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: adchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:29:29 GMT

In article <JEFFT.92Apr10204701@air-traffic-controller.mit.edu> jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang) writes:

>Well without SS, what does spidey have on venom? Venom is move viscous,
>stronger, tougher, and faster.
>
>Though Spidey should have experience. He's only been fighting super-powered
>villans on at least a weekly basis for most of his adult life.  Very few,
>even in the marvel universe can claim that.

Actually, Spidey doesn't even have his spider-sense when it comes to
Venom and Carnage.  Neither of them trip his spider-sense, which is one
of the main reasons they give him such a hard time.  The only thing
Spidey has going for against them is experience and his brains.  He
knows how Venom thinks.  He knows the abilities of the alien costume.
Still, even with this knowledge, he doesn't have it easy by far.

He should probably install a paper-thin radar in the back of his suit or
mask. 8-)

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Summary: *Use MARK files, not kill files!*
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:45:43 GMT
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Organization: SPAMIT
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>>    bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>>> I guess my major complaint with this idea is that it shows a great deal
>>> of intolerance.  "I don't like this publisher, so I want a group without
>>> them in it."  Yes, I know people who want to read all the posts can read
>>> all the groups.  That's not the point.  The point is that I find it sad
>>> that some want to divide one of the best "on-line conventions" in the
>>> world for the sake of convenience.

That is what really bugs me about this split.  I'd have to read all the groups
and I'd miss out on the cross-discussion that goes on.  A split would reduce
the amount of fun I have reading this group, so I'll vote against it now.
The 'k' key just isn't that hard to use for this group.

>All right, I will put all snobbery aside.  The situation is, the traffic
>in r.a.c has reached a fairly high level.

This is not (IMHO) fairly high.  Princeton gets about 110 messages a day in
rac, while getting 200+ in sf-lovers (and we still haven't seen a split there):
one is eminently readable, the other is barely readable (for me).

>The possible solutions that I have heard have been:
>a) Use the headers in the Subject line (e.g., "META: SPLIT NO!)
>b) Use your kill files
>c) Wait while groups slowly split off naturally (e.g., r.a.c.strips)

I vote for a), and I hereby resolve to be more aware of my message headers,
even if I'm following up.

b) is also viable, if you use the *inverse*.  Everyone complaining about the
traffic says essentially two things:  a) there's not a lot of stuff here I'm
interested in b) there's so much total dreck (not to be confused with Anton).

Solution:  Use *mark* files!  Instead of killing everything you don't like,
mark what you *do* like, catchup on the rest, then read your selected
articles!  I can tell you exactly how to do this for rn, and similar approaches
will work with xrn/trn.  I personally mark Cerebus/Suicide Squid, and read
the rest at my whim.

>o Should you drink red or white wine with feticcini and pesto sauce?
Red, I think.  But an Orange Julius goes with anything :<)



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From: rible@vorpal.ucsb.edu (Max Rible)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:11:20 GMT

Arthur C. Adams writes
> In article <1992Apr13.084229.17180@maths.tcd.ie> afarrell@maths.tcd.ie  
(Andrew Farrell) writes:
> >PS: Let's not forget David Bowie for Desire, Lucifer, *and* John  
Constantine!
> 
> John Constantine _is_ Sting. His artistic creator, whom I believe
> was John Totleben, has said that he directly modeled JC after
> Sting.

As I recall, when Alan Moore was on _Swamp Thing_ (the best run of 
that particular title, IMHO), some fraction of the art staff
said "Give us an excuse to draw Sting."  Thus, John Constantine...

Anyone know if Sting reads Hellblazer?  If he likes Hellblazer?
If he'd want the part if there were an appropriate movie?  (Hey,
he had a great cameo in _The Adventures of Baron Munchausen_,
it might be up his alley...)

Max
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:34:01 GMT

>> Peter
>
>	My gut feeling tells me that Bishop is the traitor of the X-Men,
>after all, he has the power, knowlege, and strength to take them all on 
>and win!!!!!!!!

Bishop won't be the traitor.  I have a transcript of a MArvel meeting w/ Toy Biz
for the new X-Men figs. Bob Harris(High, holy, king of Comix) was there 
representing the creative side of the business(talk about Irony).
When they talk about Bishop(this was before Bis. was intro'd)Harris says
that there about to introduce this new character who is a really big good guy.
He goes off on how they're gonna promote Bis. and all that. so they won't make 
him the traitor,--Besides if he was(story-wise) why wouldn't L'beau/Witness/
Gambit have killed him when he was younger?

I'd vote for Cable being the traitor--remember all X-teams are really part of the X-men.

Of course-he won't be.  see the Bishop explanation for why.

Overall, I'd say there is no traitor (not yet anyway).  It's just a way that
Harris came up w/ to get people talkin' about the books(note this string)

-------SCAVENGER

P.S. won't be Gambit either--He also gets a toy.

-- 
If some unemployed punk in New Jersey, can     |kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu <-I.NET
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for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai