HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: "In the Life"/Gay Comedian/Military Ban
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:32:36 GMT

rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com wrote: 
->1.  On Wednesday December 30th I caught the tail end of a show on Channel 9
->(KQED) that came on at 10:30pm.  It seems to be a gay positive variety show
->with some very serious supporters.  I wish to know more about this show and
->hope someone out there can inform me (and whomever else might be interested).
->
->What I do know is that it apparently is only telecast once a month but I do
->not know where it is filmed and what the entire premise of "In The Life" is.
->Is it possible to get ahold of back episodes?  How long has it been running?

you could *gasp* call KQED and find out.  last i heard, they still
have telephones (the staff are leaving; we're waiting for the last one
out so the lights can go off).

->3.  I have heard that on January 21st Clinton will be officially signing the
->order to remove the military ban against homosexuals.  Can anyone confirm
->this and what exactly are the implications of the signing of this disban?

yeah; bill clinton can confirm this.  nobody else can.

->For example, what does the law mean?  Will gays now have to proclaim their
->orientation upon enlistment?  Will the section on the enlistment form be
->officially removed?  What?

hon, if we could answer this we'd be in the money ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: BAR Manners in Boston....
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:54:04 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1993Jan5.214123.21374@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael
A. Thomas) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan5.201108.19840@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> > mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> > >  Does this apply to Bostonian's legendary driving abilities as well?
> > 
> > 	Of course!  Do you realize how many years it
> > takes to perfect proper Bostonian driving form?!
> 
>   Can I guess using negative numbers?

Now, now.  Be nice, poodle-mumps.  Bostonians can't help it if
they live in a city which based itself upon European models
of urban efficiency (models commen in the 12th century, perhaps).
Sweet memories of childhood come wafting back - I see:  a house.
An aged, yellow-with-white-trim job built, as is the Boston
way, oh so very long ago.  Rented for the summer.  Wild, overgrown
yard.  Huge stone fireplaces in every bedroom.  Windows that
would not open.  Walls that leaked unpleasant weather.  Really
neat-o-cool sweeping stair-case with smooth banister.  A *library*.
Singularly un-livable.  I remember looking longingly, through my window
that would not open, at the modern home just across a broad swath of 
green grass.  Why couldn't we have rented a modern house, I wailed.
Because it doesn't have any history, came the parental reply.

It seems that the roads must similarly conform to a sense of the
historically quaint.  A pity the *inhabitants* are so rarely
quaint...  I've known some sweet muffins from Cambridge - but
*never* Boston.  You'd think they lived in San Francisco or
something, to hear them rave about their city...

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: soc.motss and MOW
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:32:40 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1993Jan11.154610.27991@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
>In article <C0o680.AF3@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>>Are there any other motssi who are planning to participate in the
>>CD on April 26?  "Might like you betta if we were arrested together."
>
>What's a CD?  Call for Discussion?  

Civil Disobedience.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan11.192914.10645
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0pCtE.HD9@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>If you wish to have a local Homo Happiness Party some other time, do so.
>The time of year was chosen to commemorate Stonewall, and I believe one
>simultaneous show of numbers, in every city in the world, is what we need
>to do so.

I thought that Brian Jarvis responded to this just fine in a later article.
Frankly, I think the deification of Stonewall (as opposed to its appreciation)
is simply bizarre, and I don't think millions of Pride Day marchers give a
flying fuck about it.

Regarding the timing of different Pride events, I can see arguments for
both sides: a collective single day has a certain potency (a distributed
MOW as it were), but logistics may argue otherwise.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:10:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.101012.3776
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan5.192236.18631@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.115702.459@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>
>>Camille Paglia and others have written about Dworkin's wranting, and
>>they are not men.  Granted, they are not MOTSS people either. 
>
>Query? Camille Paglia is very out as a bisexual.

that explains it. She's been posting on soc.bi. I haven't seen any of
her postings on soc.motss.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 20:59:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

John Dorrance observes:
>A bear code with shaved balls. I can hear George gacking from here.

Damn, John.  Did you get bionic ears (a'la Jaime Sommers in _The
Bionic Woman_), or what?

;-{)##]

 
() Meekness: Uncommon patience in planning a revenge that
() is worth while.
()      -- Ambrose Bierce
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Xref: sparky soc.motss:54892 soc.bi:17527
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Don't put down Wolves! (was: NOTICE - Details of the MOW)
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:49:34 GMT
Reply-To: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <27576@sybase.sybase.com> black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.044016.29424@wolves.Durham.NC.US>, wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>|> In <27167@sybase.sybase.com> black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black) writes:
>|> >
>|> >So we should throw them to the wolves, right?
>|> 
>|> 	I appreciate what is being said, but do we have to keep
>|> promoting unkind stereotypes?
>
>You, and everyone else, should read _Hearing From Wayne_, by Bill
>Franzen.  Great absurdist humor in short-story form.  There's a great
>piece on anti-wolf prejudice.
>
I read a magazine article about wolf-hatred the other day.  It said
there was a kind of red-neck conspiracy theory that included wolves,
homosexuals and the US government.  Just so's we know the wolves are
on our side (-8

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk | "Internet is so big, so powerful and pointless that for
        ___         |  some people it is a complete substitue for life."
        \X/         |     -- Andrew Brown, The Independent
From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:56:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1993Jan8.005619.3897
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry

In article <1993Jan7.165731.20886@mcs.anl.gov> nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde) writes:
>Well, yeah, no shit.  Outside of the 'gay areas' they don't have any
>clue as to who we are - only faggots hang out in faggot areas. remember?
>It's the same way for what happens here in Chicago, only our gay areas
>are a bit more spread out, and the problem is definately nowhere near
>as bad as it is elsewhere.

I'm still puzzling over the crowd of kids who followed (chased?) me
up a street once yelling "faggot".  It wasnt a gay area of the city
(Albany, NY), nor did I think I was particularly identifiable.  (I
was out for my morning run at the time and was wearing running shoes,
shorts and a disreputable t-shirt.)  

I suppose it could be that they were just using faggot as a generic
epithet, but kids walked up and down the street in front of my house
quite often and I heard them yell lots of other things at each other
but never faggot.  

-- 
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Daffodils go Ping! and Oink! // They Really are alarming 
I'm scared of big geraniums // And I'm sure that Lilac's harming"
(Dr. Bertram X. Fegg)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:06:44 GMT

tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
>buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>| A broader question, do all 9 cities that are boycotting Colorado have
>| gay rights ordinances? I would presume YES.

>No. Atlanta, for one, does not. I heard the head of the Colorado
>Tourist Board (who has an obvious agenda here) complaining that
>it was awfully smug and hypocritical for Atlanta to be boycotting
>Colorado when Denver, Boulder, Aspen all had enacted anti-
>discrimination ordnances while Atlanta never has. 

I heard on the local news (Colo) that Atlanta has had anti-discrimination
laws covering sexual orientation since 1971.  I think the Colorado
Tourist Board may be talking about the sodomy laws still being in place
in Georgia.  Anyone know for sure?

--
--Suzanne Morine          smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
--"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil.  If
--they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men,
--the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui."     Helen Keller
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:36:28 GMT

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
>*I* just sent my bear-slave trudging up to the drug store on my behalf.  
>Since it was me that gave the crabs to him, having caught them from God  
>knows who, I'm surprised he didn't rebel.

Well, just what sort of thank you note would Miss Manners find appropriate 
for such a gift?

   Miss Thing,

   Imagine my delight at awaking this morning to discover your
   thoughtful gift.  And what an assortment of sizes and colors --
   why, you must have looked *everywhere*!

   XOX

-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c+(+)g+k+(+)s-e++ | Collars and blindfolds and
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:25:25 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1993Jan8.175036.14801@dvorak.amd.com>, tdbear@dvorak.amd.com
(Thomas D. Barrett) wrote:

> It's moments like this (Wesley's MacWorld expose') that I get down on
> my knees and thank the powers that be that I work in a Intel(tm)
> compatible world :)

Hah!  I pick my nose at you, you Milli-Vanilli-of-the-microchip-man,
you.  Your taste in young lovelies is as your taste in chip
architectures - how do you zay in Amerique, "Like piss?"

*X*
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dissertation on soc.motss (PLEASE READ)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:20:16 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1993Jan7.135645.27974@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
>           SOC.MOTSS AS SUBJECT OF DISSERTATION RESEARCH
> 
> Now that the time has come for me to write my
> dissertation, I would like to study soc.motss.  This post will
> briefly outline the questions and methods of my study, informing
> you of my purpose and discussing my research policies.

I don't suppose you have any colorful trinkets to offer us?

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Maria Montez vs Burl Ives, or Lighten Up a Little, Folks
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:22:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.130259.11288@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.121815.15239@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
> Ralph.Becket@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
> 
> >In article <1993Jan5.112023.5929@macc.wisc.edu>
> >anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> >>Reminds me: I'm still looking for the name of the trope in
> >>which the thing named is an example of itself.
> 
> >The word is "ontological" and its opposite is "heterological".
> 
> Hm.  Is there a corresponding noun, such that we can say his
> remark was "an ontology?" I guess what I really need is the
> noun that names an ontological trope.

The phrase I remember from my pretentious college days (not to be
confused with my current pretentious middle-aged days) is "res ipse
loquitur", Latin for "the thing speaks of itself".

> >Just my tuppenyworth contribution.
> 
> When I was a kid, you could ride the streetcar for that.

Plus a lump of sugar for the horse?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
	<1992Dec27.155552.20863@spdcc.com> <9@bbx.basis.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:08:30 GMT

In article <9@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

   In article <1992Dec27.155552.20863@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
   >bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
   >>It's been my observation that there are four 'crisis periods' in a 
   >>relationship. T
   >>Between 3 months and 1.5 years you will learn 
   >>whether leaving the cap off the toothpaste is grounds for divorce.  
   >>Finally, sometime between 7 and 10 years you will resign yourself
   >>to hearing the following question every evening for the rest of your 
   >>life: "I dunno, what do YOU want to do for dinner?"
   >
   >	I think for us these two are reversed... we actually have
   >a script for this...
   >
   >	Person 1: What do you want for dinner?
   >	Person 2: I dunno, what do yOU want for dinner?
   >	Person 1: (Realizing that this is an infinite loop)
   >			White Castle Burgers it is!
   >
   >	That usually prompts Person 2 to think of SOMETHING in
   >short order... :-)

The solution my SO and I have come up with in this situation is for
each of us to try and guess what we think the other wants for dinner
and announce this on the count of three.  Surprisingly, it usually
turns out that each of us did want something for dinner (even though
initially each said "I dunno") and that we almost always guess
correctly what the other wanted.

	Penny

--
UUCP:  { ... }!linus!pc 
INTERNET:  pc@mitre.org
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Marky M. and Vanity Fair
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:01:17 GMT

prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:

>Except for the new Body Shop there.  I just couldn't *live* with my
>Chamomile Face Mask, or my Oatmeal Facial Scrub, or my Grapefruit
>Extract Shampoo, or my...

Sure you could live with it. Live *off of* it, actually...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Organization: Sun Microsystems Rocky Mountain Technology Center, Colo Spgs
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:46:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.042801.18449@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.224448.28096@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
>>In article <C0JtBM.91o@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>>When I went out with Steve, people called me "rice queen" and decided I'd
>>>be interested in every Asian guy around.
>>
>>It could have been worse, Roger.  You could have gone out with me.
>>Then what would people have called you?  :-(
>
>Either fucking lucky or lucky fucking...

Well, thanks for the compliments, guys.

The point I was trying to make was about the slang terms we use to
refer to people who, for whatever reason, choose to date people of
color. (or whatever term you want to use)  What does it say about 
an issue when the terms used are "rice queen", "salsa queen" and
"dinge queen"?  Can you honestly say people who use such terms 
aren't making some sort of value judgement?

I don't think the term for minorites who date whites, "snow queen",
carries these same connotations.  I'm fairly sensitive to how 
language is used, and the slang terms alone speak volumes. 

>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer


Terry Bartlett			   bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Inc.	 		   "You've got to stand for something
Rocky Mountain Technology Center    or you'll fall for anything. . ."
Colorado Springs, CO
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 20:06:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan5.111541.5492@macc.wisc.edu> <1993Jan5.163449.9469@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>Jess Anderson writes:
>>I have several scent stories, which I could be persuaded to
>>tell if coaxed.
>
>I'll bet George does, too. :-)  

Indeed I do, but definitely not in the same conceptual frame
as Jess', I'm sure....

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (Snappy comebacks to assholes) 
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:50:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.230459.9955@toolz.uucp>, todd@toolz.uucp (Todd Merriman) writes:
> Bigots are infuriated when they find that they have no way of 
> insulting you, i.e. you take being called "queer" as a compliment.
> 
> Respond with a "Thank you!" or, "God Bless You!"

I never say "God bless you", as it suggests a belief I don't share.
Would it be OK if I responded to a shout of "faggot!" or "queer!" with
a hearty "Gesundheit!"?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Geography (was Capitalization, still dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:40:53 GMT

In article <C0FwEE.G15@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
> 
> 
> Brent Davies, brent@syacus.acus.oz.au, contrasts:
>   >>"I'm from the city."
>   >>"I'm from the City."
> and asks:
>   >>In the second example, don't you immediately think of one and *only* one
>   >>place that could possibly be being referred to?
> Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
>  >New York City, of course.  New York State is divided into three
>  >sections: "The City", "Lon Gisland" and "Upstate".
> 
> Yeah.  "Upstate" goes about as far up as Albany's northern suburbs.
> There are people who have heard of Buffalo and Rochester, which
> really aren't much further north than that.  It was very hard to get
> used to the idea that where I lived wasn't "Upstate," which ended a
> good two hundred miles south of where I lived.

Not only that, but "The City" doesn't mean what most of you probably
think it means. You probably think it includes places like Queens and
The Bronx. (Obviously nobody would think it meant Staten Island.)

The City = New York = Manhattan. And don't you forget it.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Reply-To: jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:52:44 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.154934.7886@infonode.ingr.com>, norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
|> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
|> >
|> >On 31 Dec 92 08:43:50 GMT, bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) said:
|> >> When one of us is out of town for business or whatever, the other
|> >> partner must have the house spic n' span upon his return.
|> >
|> >The "clean house" rule probably only
|> >works if you both travel an equal amount.  I'm gone 15-20 weeks per
|> >year on business, and my loving hubbie is gone <2 weeks per year.  
|> >I don't think it would be reasonable for me to ask him to clean
|> >the apartment the day before I get back from every trip...
|> 
|> Sure it would, if it's clean when you leave.
|> 
|> The problem is when it's messy from the weekend from two kids (like ours
|> is).  By Friday night when I get home, a week's worth of clutter is layered
|> on top and the kids are there again.  I'm not complaining, but I'm beginning
|> to see the need for a part-time maid.  Has anybody got any insight on this?
|> 

Yes, hire someone to clean.  I'm serious, actually.  From the small amount of 
information in the above paragraph, it seems like your household has kids only
during weekends.

This gives you two choices. Either involve the kids in cleaning up with you
(assuming they're not very young) or decide to spend time with them rather
than cleaning the house. In the latter case, someone has to clean.

I live alone, so I have someone come every other week, on Friday. I spend about 20 minutes
on Thursday night putting things into neat piles.  I leave money on Friday morning 
(my cleaner has a key), and in the afternoon the house is clean and the money 
gone.  It's a fair trade, as far as I'm concerned. 

You may want someone more often.  Every Monday (after the kids leave) may be
the easiest time, since they probably make the house very dirty. 

This assumes, of course, that you can afford it. I hope you can.  I see no 
reason to have class-based reservations about this; I don't think you're 
exploiting anyone. (If that really bothers you, then the correct thing to do
is to cut back on your work hours and clean your own house.  And then you
really ought to be living on a farm and growing your own food; otherwise
you're still relying on other people's labor.)  

This advice is guaranteed to be worth what you paid for it.

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org
Newsgroups: soc.motss