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From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS !!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:40:06 GMT

In <1992Sep10.194915.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8638760@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THE MACEDONIAN STATE--------> IS INEVITABLE) writes:

>      @    MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS (AS A WELL KNOWN BRITISH SCHOLAR
>SAID IN 1913).

What about...
...America for the Americans (as a well known US President said last
century)?

--r.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Macedonia
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:20:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.221255.29023@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Rizos Sakellariou (rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk) writes:
>>People in the ex-Yugoslavia's "People's Socialist Republic of Macedonia"
>>have been the victims of an illogical policy during the last 50 years.
>
>Judging from the lack of logic shown in this newsgroup, it doesn't
>seem that the Greeks have fared much better...
	
	Interpol just anounced that the busted a big drug ring centered
behind the Goverment in Skopjia !! They were grown in fields that were
gaurded by goverment security and the poppy was processed in a 
 govermnt pharmacudicle factory all thought was only for well
legal drugs manufacturing !! These are the people that you say have
good intentions ? A note to make it might still be just goverment coruption
but it is still questionable.

>
>>but, on the other hand, should we permit
>>a handful of politicians to continue the same illogical policy?
>
>Who are you to "permit" such things? God? How do you withdraw
>the "permission"? Do you suggest intervention to remove this
>"handful of politicians"?


	No but as long as I am affected I'll do my best to have the outcome 
be to my advantage.
>
>>the remaining 40% (mainly Albanians) strongly oppose the use of this name...
>
>This argument is often presented by Greek netters. Can anyone
>confirm this, or is it just another sample from the Greek
>propaganda machine?

	Greek propaganda machine. A couple of days ago a Skopjien was
arrested for driving a Truck full of used amunition to be loaded on
a ship in Thessalonica for a destination (I don't remember) to
have them refilled. Now I the cargo was probably from War torn
X-Yougoslavia and probably confiscated but the Court released the Skopjien
driver because there was no proof he knew what was in the truck he caried.
Acording to your "machine" shouldn't he had been tortured to death or
jailed for life ? 

	Oh and about conformation I cannot give you physical evidence but
the Albaniens oppose to the name Makedonia because it (according to them)
does not represent the true content of the country. The MPs walked out
of parlament. They also walked out on the choice of flag. Greece offered
them to choose a neutral name and then name the regeon with Albaniens
accordingly and the "other" possibly makedonian province. There are so
many ways to save face. 


>
>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

	George


Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: SOC.CULTURE.GREEK
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:59:57 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <5079.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) writes:
 >   Is's a good idea, but let's not forget those that we have to deal with
 > here ie Mutlu/Argic and co. Politics is not allowed on News.sysadmin
 > either, but Mutlu/Argic insists on cross-posting there. In fact any
 > unmoderated group regarding Greece will just become another entry on the
 > long cross-posting lists that some people maintain.
 > 
Let's also not forget that it is very easy to post articles to a moderated
newsgroup that bypass the moderator.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: BELORUSANS REQUEST RECOGN
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Paidia, fainetai pws ekana laqos. Aytos o SAS moiazei na mhn einai dikos
mas, telika. H' an einai dikos mas to paizei ligo parajena.
Se opoiadhpote periptwsh, aytoi oi skopianoi einai gia mayra klammata.
Exoun apomwnwsei toys eaytous toys apo thn pragmatikothta.

Mixalhs.
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: INDEPENDENT SLAVO-MAC
Summary: Ridiculous knowledge on Balkan history
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:23:01 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <5104.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com
(Michael Polymenakos) writes:

[deleted]

> I'll have to agree with Stavros on this. Actually Greece has recognized
>the Romanian-Vlach(Wellachian) relationship in 1913, when Romania
>entered the second Balkan war as an Ally to Greece and Serbia against
>Bulgaria. The Romanian gvmt at that time figured that ethnic Vlachs
>would be better of under Greek rule than under Bulgarian rule, and they
>were probably right.

Why you continue such world wide attempts to 'invent' what was, and waht
wasn't, and who figured what? Why don't you make an attempt to read
something on the matter?

Bulgaria had "recognized" the Vlachs (+ promissed them the right to have
schools on their own) much earlier than 1913 and the Vlach themselves
seemed to be happier with a Bulgarian rule than a Greek one (and not being
Hellenized, what happened de facto), and there was even a break of
relations between Greece and Romania on that matter. And such STUPID
assertion why Romania entered the second Balkan war has nothing to do
with reality. That paragraph from above can be entered in the 'Australian
Macedonian history book', which the USENET community enjoyed reading. Maybe
'Macedonians' don't know history very well, but only because of that, other
people don't get knowledge on that same history and sound as ridiculous as
those who they try to ridicule.


>Michael.


Luben                                                        
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8704 soc.culture.europe:8269 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8658
From: pavlovic-milan@CS.YALE.EDU (Milan Pavlovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Counting in Greek
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:58:47 GMT
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158

In article <1992Sep10.001435.26172@cs.yale.edu> pavlovic-milan@CS.YALE.EDU (Milan Pavlovic) writes:
>
>Kindly refrain from insulting an entire country (nation) when Dr. Efstratiadis
>outsmarts you with his euridite analysis and well presented arguments.
		        ^^^^^^^^
Shucks, I spelled that wrong. It should read "erudite". However, I know I
got this part right:
>==============================================================================
>	M A C E D O N I A.....G R E E K   F O R   4 0 0 0  Y E A R S
>==============================================================================

Regards,
Milan
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	M A C E D O N I A   I S   T H E  H E A R T   O F   H E L L A S
               		DAM, DIDI BUM, DIDI BUM !
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Visiting Greece
From: tsparan@eis.calstate.edu (Themistocles Sparangis)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:41:34 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Harry,

There are many places to visit Greece for the reason you are asking.  One
great place to see is Agia Lavra in the Peloponese area near Kalvrita. 
Here is the place where the Greek flage was raised by Palion Patron
Germanos.  

Another thing you could do is to stop in a village and get to know some of
the people.  Ask them what you asked here and you might get some
interesting tales and good insight on places to see.  Good luck in what
you are doing.  Sounds like fun.

Themistocles (USC)

P.S.  I made a mistake  and I think that I mailed a similar response to
Jon (your other response)
From: hilmi-er@vall (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: What is a European country to you?
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:46:53 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia ]
[ Author was Hilmi Eren ]
[ Posted on 8 Sep 92 11:17:24 GMT ]

A. Machaeridis (am@sys.uea.ac.uk) wrote:
: jba@dat.ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen) writes:
: 
: >As to whether Denmark is a success or not, is difficult to say. But if
: >we define success as economic strength, Denmark is one of the 3-4 
: >EC-members who is eligible for entering the proposed "common currency"
: >agreement (the other countries being (I think) France, Great Britain,
: >Belgium, Luxembourg?).
: 
: >So yes, by economy strength we are a success. And we have just won the
: >european football championship and the annual NATO competion. 
: >Howsaboutthat?
: 
: And while you are so busy doing all that, somebody has to take care of
: your women, during the summer. That is why you need Greeks.

  + This is an example of how low a person can get (Machaeridis).
  + If the Greek tourist-cities look a bit clean than you can thank
  + the women you mentioned asshole. Without tourists Greece would be
  + like an african state... althoug it's not so far to that.....



Hilmi
From: rsl11@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Info about the contributions of the Greek culture to the World
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:39:41 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


	I am looking for a book about the contributions of the Greek culture to
the world. Does anybody have any suggested material, articles, books in mind?
	Any relevant information would be appreciated.

E-mail address
RSL11@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: soc.CULTURE.greek
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:27:38 GMT

michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) writes:

> 3) Let's infuse some culture in this. I volunteer to type in a
>reasonable amount of Greek literature (in Greek or translated) if others
>do the same. Elitis, Seferis, Kavaphis, Kavvadias, Ritsos etc. One
>poem a week from 7 people will be one poem a day. We have some of the
>most wonderful literature in the world (including 2 nobelists, elitis
>and seferis - not many nations of only 10 million can claim that).

Ligo akoma                             A little farther
0a idoyme tis amygdalies n'an0izoyn    we will see the almond trees blossoming
ta marmara na lampoun ston hlio        the marble gleaming in the sun
th 0alassa na kymatizei                the sea breaking into waves
ligo akoma,                            a little farther,
na shkw0oyme ligo pshlotera.           let us rise a little higher.

                            [George Seferis]

Aporia: Mporei h Agglikh metafrasi na empneysei to megaleio toy prwtotypoy;
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Xenophon Zolwtas.
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:36:46 GMT

vagelis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Vagelis Vassiliadis) writes:

>Xenophon Zolotas :
>" I always wished to address this Assembly in Greek, but I realised that 
> it would have been indeed Greek to all present in this room. I found out,
> however, that I could make my address in Greek  which would still be 
> English to everybody. 
> With your permission, Mr. Chairman, I shall do it now, using with the 
> exception of articles and prepositions only Greek words. "

It seems that Xenophon Zolotas has given a couple of similar speeches.
In last week's VIMA, there is an advertisement from the foreign languages
institution OMIROS where under the title "English is not a foreign language",
they give part of another text attributed to X. Zolotas :

"...Our gnomon has to be a metron between economic strategic and philanthropic
 scopes. In an epoch characterised by monopolies, oligopolies, monopsonies,
 monopolistic antagonism and polymorphous inelasticities..."

I think that most of these words were included in English during the 17th,
18th centuries, when scholars were attracted by the classical Greek texts.
A very characteristic example of the admiration that the ancient Greek 
heritage had created those years, is the proposal of Thomas Jefferson, 
one of the first presidents of the US (a friend with Adamantios Kora-is), 
to establish ancient Greek as the official language of the newly independent 
United States... Does anybody know more?

--r.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Counting in Greek
Originator: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.210055.12361@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Michael Polymenakos (michael.polymenakos@factory.com)  writes:
>>The Skopjie gvmnt has only managed to get recognised by four countries.
>
>Let's see: I know of Bulgaria, Turkey, Slovenia, Croatia, The 
>Phillipines, Lithuania, Russia, Bosnia-Hercegovina. That makes 
                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>eight. But what do I know, maybe eight is spelled "four" in Greek.

B.-H. is not a recognized country. That makes it seven.
Russia did not follow on the recognition move. No Russian counsulate exists
in Skopje. That makes it six. Slovenia and Croatia were desparate for
recognition and would recognize anything/one that would reecognize them back
in order to survive. They achieved it. However, being x-socialist republics
of the same communist regime the recognition of another x-socialist republic
of the same country comes with no real value. Therefore, they're out and
now the total is four.

Conclusion: 4 is exactly "tessera" in Greek.

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>"Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
>IEEE Std 1042/1987

Maximos Stratos.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Dimitra Galani CDs?
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 20:09:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


I have some old Dimitra Galani LPs which are wonderful. Does anyone know
if her music is available on CDs? Does anyone have a mail order source for
them?

Are there any other Greek woman singers who perform similar materials
with similar musicianship, both in the songs and the accompaniments?

Thanks;
David
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8575 soc.culture.europe:8186 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8571
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Counting in Greek
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:39:58 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Sep7.094749.21243@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu writes:
 > B.-H. is not a recognized country. That makes it seven.
 > Russia did not follow on the recognition move. No Russian counsulate exists
 > in Skopje.
Oh well, there is no Dutch consulate in Malta, so that makes the Netherlands
not recognizing Malta as a separate country?  (BTW, the consulate in Italy
functions as consulate for Malta.)
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgarian,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Macedonia: Sources (II)
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Finally, another PRODIGY(r)/Grolier article, regarding the "Macedonian"
language. (There is no article on "Macedonian", the index says "see
"Slavonic Languages"). This is a 17-page article, I only re-post the
paragraphs containing the word "Macedonian". Note the important sentence

"Modern Bulgarian emerged in the mid-19th century, Macedonian after
World War II."

Copyright (c) 1992 Grolier Electronic Publishing, Inc.  All rights reserved.
PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service         09/07/92         7:48 PM

                 ACADEMIC AMERICAN ENCYCLOPEDIA

SLAVIC LANGUAGES

{slah'-vik}

The Slavic, or Slavonic, languages form one of the branches of
the INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES;  they share a number of features
with the BALTIC LANGUAGES.

[...]

Major Branches

[...]
speakers, mostly in the Slovak Republic).  The second branch is
known as South Slavic.  It comprises Serbo-Croatian (about 18
million speakers, mostly in Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, and
Bosnia-Hercegovina);  Slovenian (about 2 million speakers,
mostly in Slovenia);  Macedonian (about 1.4 million speakers,
mostly in the Macedonian Republic);  and Bulgarian (9 million
speakers, mostly in Bulgaria).  The third is the East Slavic

[...]

Modern Vernaculars

In the South Slavic territory, a progressively modified Church
Slavonic remained the exclusive written language for the
orthodox Serbs, Macedonians, and Bulgars, and for some Croatian
Catholics.  The Slovenes replaced Church Slavonic with the
vernacular in the 16th century, and the Serbs did so early in
the 19th.  By 1850 a common Serbo-Croatian literary language
had been elaborated, written by the Croats in the Latin
alphabet and by the Serbs in Cyrillic.  Modern Bulgarian
emerged in the mid-19th century, Macedonian after World War II.

[...]
Lawrence W. Newman
Bibliography:  Brecht, Richard D., and Chvany, Catherine V.,
eds., Slavic Transformational Syntax (1974);  De Bray, [...]

Copyright (c) 1992 Grolier Electronic Publishing, Inc.  All rights reserved.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Again, do not re-post without attribution.

Michael.

---
 . SLMR 2.1a . My reality check just bounced.
                         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Subject: Re: Confusions...
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:56:30 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <4063@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>
>No, there were legends to this effect which are uncheckable. Very few
>scholars now believe in the Dorian invasion and these Dorians were
>always, rather embarassingly, archaeologically invisible.

Neither their dialect was, nor their cities are invisible. They even
built a few in Cyprus... So, would you please name those "scholars"
of yours?

>Just a further thought, what about the ancient authors who say there was
>Macedonian language?

They meant dialect.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
From: lmk@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Nea Ioustiviavn
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:25:27 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Nomizw, and then kanw lathos, oti h Nea Ioustinianh einai sthn Mikran Asia
konta sthn Constantinoupolh.  Exou kai Archiepiskopos Neas Ioustinianhs kai
Pasis Kyprou.

Loukis Kissonergis
West Virginia University

In article <Sep11.213948.17378@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
> Jerei kavevas pou ntav n Nea Ioustiviavn opou metaferqnke o perissoteros
> plnqusmos tns Kuprou gia merika xrovia giati to vnsi to mastize, vomizw,
> avombria;
> --
> Constantinos A. Caroutas
> 
> "It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Taramasalata recipe?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  9 Sep 92 23:27:21 GMT

pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras) writes:

>How about an easy one, like tzatziki? Take Greek yogurt (the
>one avaliable in London Supermarkets is the one by "FAGE"), but
>made from cow's milk, not sheep. 

   I've never seen Greek yogurt available in the U.S.  It's much thicker
than what we're used to here.  So American readers who want to make this
and other Greek dishes using yogurt should thicken it.  To do this,
start with a good, low-fat (not non-fat) unflavored yogurt with no
stabilizers in it, such as Nancy's.  Line a strainer with a double
thickness of cheesecloth which has been soaked in water and then wrung
out.  Leave the yogurt to drain for an hour or so -- it will reduce in
volume by almost half, and become very thick.  This will be as close as
you can get to the yogurt usually used in Greek cooking.
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Taramasalata recipe?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:34:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <5zsnspl.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

>And now for a change from Mutlus and polemics:

>The best Taramasalata I ever had was at the White Tower restaurant in
>London. It was made from fresh smoked cod's roe, readily available in
>London but impossible to find in the U.S. (at least so far--I'm in
>Los Angeles).
[..]
>Anybody have any recipes or suggestions?

>Thanks;
>David

How about an easy one, like tzatziki? Take Greek yogurt (the
one avaliable in London Supermarkets is the one by "FAGE"), but
made from cow's milk, not sheep. Take about half of (fresh)
cuccumber, peel it, take the core (the "heart") out and cut it
into very small pieces. Add garlic powder (actually using
a fresh garlic, cut into tiny pieces is more tasteful) and a
little bit of salt. The rest is up to how YOU prefer it.

My flatmate (a Mexican) prefers it a bit spicy, so there is
more garlic than the normal. If you think you have placed too
much garlic, you need to have more yogurt added. If you find
too thick, add water.

Hope this helps. I am sure that others have slightly different
ways of making it, so here we are guys (and girls), give us
more (please SIMPLE!) ideas.

Panayotis Fouliras

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