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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Why is rap music in commercials always lame?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:44:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.171515.3475@ultb.isc.rit.edu> tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I think the reason bad rap is in commercials is to aid in the
>companies attempt to show the public that "we are not racist".
>Most people don't notice, but almost every commercial has a 
>strategically placed black actor in it, and most new toys
>have a black and white version.  I don't see any problems with
>this other than the entire commercial is so contrived it's
>insulting to our intellegence.  

Word.  Even if it does bring more acting jobs to blacks, it's because they are
black, and it shouldn't have to be like that.

>You're right, usually the
>rap is incredibly corny, and done by a no-talent white kid who's
>about 10 years old.  Most of them suck.  

Most of them are also written by 40-year-old commercial producers who wouldn't
know real rap if it gaffled them every day of their natural (or artifical)
lives.

>it leaves the good hip hop to the artists.  However I 
>thought the Hershey commercial wasn't too bad, and I thought 
>"The Fruit-A-Rooty Rap" staring Barney Rubble was pretty funny.
>But I am getting sick of everybody and their brother rapping
>because it's marketable.

I remember that Hershey commercial - that used the beat from BDP's "Jack of
Spades."  I wonder how well that went over with KRS.  :)  Also, I remember
an old 'Nique Wilkins commercial for Minute Maid orange soda which featured
Kool Moe Dee on the rhyme.  At the time, I liked it, because it was a real
M.C. on top of a real beat.  I bet we would see more of that if companies
gave back to the community - or else we gotta shut 'em down.  :)

Does anyone know if Chuck worked out a deal with Nike to give something back
to the community in exchange for doing that commercial?
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From: stanfomw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael W. Stanford)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Check it out!
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:38:33 GMT
Reply-To: stanfomw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael W. Stanford)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-01.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Say, hey, TRiX iz back!  (even got back tha "i")

	i've been postin' shiz, but it seemz dat they ain't gettin' 2  
everybody.  i can't even remember whut they R.  i rememba dat I waz hopin'  
2 get some smoove answerz outta them.  all I've been seein' iz tha dissin'  
of rap/hip-hop, which jus' ain't rite!  i can say dat if ya don't lyke  
rap... 

	what the FUCK ya doin' ritin' N tha alt.rap section 4??!!

	maybe consida ritin' in da "i'm a stupid-azz bitch section, ya  
think?  got that shiz takin' care of i guess...

	thanx, short-dogz out there keepin' da real shiz goin'.  i picked  
up Da Lench Mob afta da review and ooooooooh shiz!!!  they got it goin'  
off!  i'm still sittin' on my azz waitin' 2 go get Redman & Puba.  the way  
ya'll talkin' I'm missin' a smoove CD N Redman!!

	well, i'm gonna go try and think of whut otha postz were left out  
and post 'em lata.  "I'll B back!" (lyke Schwarzenegger)

				Oskin' lyke Meyer,

				Da Trixsta

"...U wonder where I've been, I've been workin'." E-Double

"Damn!  I'm sweatin' lyke a nigga at a WHITE woman funeral!" Ice Cube   
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Cypress Hill
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:29:03 GMT

In article <fedde.718326047@Sofia>, fedde@Sofia.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>Isn't it time for Cypress Hill to come out with something new soon?
>Anyone got any info on what they are up to?
>
>Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)


Isn't funny how back in the day an album would come out and then another album
would come out 2 years later, and when that one dropped, it wasn't really
expected?  Now in 1992, if someone comes out with an album, we expect another
a year or less later!  Run-DMC are about to drop their 6th album(not counting
that greatest hits), and they have been out since what, '83?  Five albums,
almost 10 years!  Cypress came out '91, late '91 if I remember, and here we are
already looking for a new one.  Aint that some shit?  Also, look how many 12"
an artist puts out from all the songs on an album.  Tribe just put out the
4th 12" from their "Low..." album(in the US.  I don't know about elsewhere). 
And I don't think that would have came out if they hadn't had that "Hot Sex"
track on the "Boomerang" soundtrack.  "The One" had like 20+ songs on it, and
only 4 12"(US).  What about the other 16 some odd songs?  Isn't the purpose
of 12" suppose to be to promote album sales?  Wouldn't it logically follow
that more 12"s will promote mor album sales?  Any opinions?

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dskimish@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Skimishara)
Subject: Re: "Rap Sucks Balls"
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:58:52 GMT

In article <92646@netnews.upenn.edu> ddf@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (D.D.F.) wr
tes:
>
>	The author of the article "Rap Sucks Balls" is obviously an idiot. He 
>knows nothing about rhythm and nothing about music. The only reason he w
ote
>that article was to piss people off. He has no sense of taste and knows 
othing
>Rap RULES EVERYTHING KID!!
>	'Nuff said.


The reason rap is so 'great' is that it sucks the greatness out of all
other kinds of music.
Ice Ice Baby-Under Pressure
Can't Touch This-Superfreak
Any song by the Beasty Boys-(don't get me started)
Wild Thing-Jamie's cryin'
Dave -off to listen to tommy, maybe I'll scratch it... then again maybe
not!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 11:28:45 CDT
From: Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Generic Shit

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Last Poets (or was it Gil Scott Heron)
go on record in the Source and say that they did NOT want to be sampled?... I
was just wondering...

Peace out...
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll.hard,rec.music.funky,alt.censorship
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: PETITION: Right to Rock Network
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Music Censorship Petition Right to Rock Network
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:42:20 GMT

An Urgent Message to the Music Industry:

TAKE THE LABELS OFF THE RECORDS!

Warning labels make it impossible for millions of us who are under 18 to 
buy the music we need and love. In many places, no one can buy certain 
records no matter what age they are because of labels.

Labels are not required by law. And a higher law--the First Amendment to 
the United States Constitution--says we have to get rid of them.

Labels protect nobody. Labels make artists and record store owner and 
clerks into targets. Labels encourage cops, preachers, prosecutors, and 
school board crazies to attack rock and rap.

The very act of putting labels on records says there is something wrong with 
our music. That is an outrageous lie. Rock and rap are the only place we hear 
the truth about the world.

Our music needs to be heard, not labeled. Read our lips: TAKE THE 
STICKERS OF THE RECORDS!

            Name                         ADDRESS

1. ___________________________________________________________

2. ___________________________________________________________

3. ___________________________________________________________

4. ___________________________________________________________

5. ___________________________________________________________

This petition drive is being coordinated by the nationwide Right to Rock 
Network. Return this petition with one name or five to the address below 
that is closest to your. Feel free to print this off, Xerox, etc., as much as 
you want.

SLAM                                                    Coalition
Box 341305                                            201 Wyandotte, Suite 209
Los Angeles, CA 90034                         Kansas City, MO 64105

Rock Out Censorship                            Free Music Coalition
320 S Cadiz Street                                 Box 8992
Jewett, OH 43986                                  Newark, DE 19714

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: d9mj@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Scott Coolness)
Subject: Re: ATCQ Hot Sex
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:13:16 GMT

pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
<1
>S<2peaking of this video, can anyone figure out what Phife's last line is? It
>sou<1nds like:
>So fo<2rget the chalk 'cause <the-action-got-scholar>
<1
<2
I believe it's the action a start... Chatting reggae stylee.



Daddy Mike
Twilight Prod. (brrwd acct)
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap sucks balls
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:02:50 GMT
Organization: Indiana Daily Student

In article <14142.2ad36564@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.010509.29999@pellns.alleg.edu>, leej@pell1l11.alleg.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>> Anything that can't be played with a band is horseshit!

Can I ask everybody who replied to this a question - Why are we even bothering
to reply to this here on this board? Sure, this guy is wasting bandwidth (and
making a good argument for being pro-choice), but look at everything we're
wasting by replying to him. He's probably sitting back laughing at how upset
we all are about this. From now on, can we just send him some e-mail showing
him how ignorant he is and move on? There's no room for this until Al Gore
gets a spot in the White House (for those of you not in the know, he's been
promoting bandwidth expansion in the Senate).

>Any good cocksucker or cocksuckee knows it takes `nuff skills to suck balls;
>without serious injury of course.
>
>Signed, Lost in Hilbert Space,
>
>DJ Phyz

Welcome back, Phyz. 'Bout time the Ohio Assassin came home. :)

And I'm out like Jimmy Hoffa...

-- 
- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -
- Coming October 20th: GRAND PUBA, "Reel to Reel", PRINCE, "O-+->",         -
******* Coming in 1993: The long-awaited 12" single, "RAP IS AN ART" ********
****************** ON VINYL from Blue Riddle Productions. *******************
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Jus n idea folx
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:22:11 GMT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

B4 I move on to getting the mailer for C.O.R.E. set up, I'd just like to send a
fat shout out to the following people...	

	Adrian	
	Amil
	David J. 
	Michael Carevale
	Robin L. Gibson
	Yvan

and everyone else who is down wit hip-hop or the C to tha O to tha R to tha E.

BTW, is C.O.R.E. going the right direction or not?  As y'all know by my now
infamous post, I am a Dr. Who fan.  This guy from the Whovian newsgroup sent me
aletter saying that he was making a compilation of the best of the group to
send as a newsletter to the Who Group and others (point bein that he wanted to
quote somethin I said).  Do you think this would work wit ALT.RAP, or would
repeating what others already said be lame?  If I wanna publish a newsletter,
that seems to be the only route left to go.

BTW, David, can you send me copies of those Mary J. blige and Serch reviews?  I
never gotta see 'em!

'A picture of Malcolm is not on my wall
 He's in my heart, that's smart'  Chubb Rock - Black Trek IV the Voyage Home

PEace!
From: U14864@uicvm.uic.edu (Tyrone Ellison)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Kool G. Rap...
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:24:08 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

The last info I heard on G Rap was that WB (Wafflin' Bastards) was looking for
a new distributor to handle G Rap's album... It seems that some behind-the-
scenes executives set up some kind of tribunal where they found that G Rap is
going to be too controversial to handle... This is the same for Paris and the
Intelligent Hoodlum... Any corrections and/or updates are welcome and appreci-
ated...

5,000+  The Minister of Rage, Gifted Underworld Executioner

PS:  Welcome back, Phyz!
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Canadian groups
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:23:41 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Whaddya all think of the Canadian groups like 'The Dream Warriors' or 
'Maestro Fresh Wes' I have seen both live, and have their albums, and I 
think they are incredibly DOPE! If you haven't heard any of their stuff, 
I suggest you check out The Dream Warriors debut album, they definitely 
have a style all their own!

C yuh...


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: SS
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:53:03 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

- There is a CD that has just Malcolm X speeches on it.  I fon't know the name
- of it, but I'll find out and let you know.  I remember seeing it once, but
- did not have the money or a CD player at the time.  I'll let you know.
- 
- K-Mello
- SHYGUY Productions

If you could that would be GREAT! There are times when I am bored of 
music, and just want to relax to the words of Malcolm X. I have a video 
tape documentry on Malcolm X I got from a local video store which has 
quite abit of MX speaking, so I just dubbed that to tape for the 
meantime...It is a 60 minute documentry, and is pretty good...


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Cypress Hill
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:49:36 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:

>You mean like, how could I just kill a can? Ah, they have a new vid out
>I saw, something about funky latin bilingual. It's um, different. Maybe
>the Hill is going out on the East LA tip?

I like your spelling :) What I was asking for was a new album. At the end
people get tired of remixes of old stuff. Was a long time they came out with
their last, so I thought it was time for something new...

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts
From: yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler)
Subject: Re: My Last Posting
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:54:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.092648.18844@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
dathomas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Thomas) writes:

(deleted)

> The part about the deaths of the Desert-Rats and my patriotism, I now  
see,
> is very unclear. I meant it to be read in a sarcastic way. It was  
written
> in response to the first posting that *I* read in this file which said  
the
> "US kicked butt".
> 

Dave,

Well, glad you learned it the hard way, but it's not your fault, us bloody  
USA'ers have no sence of satire, irony, no sense of self-criticism, and  
are much too touchy about stupid things (who's insulting who, when there  
are people dying, starving, etc...).  This is probably one of the main  
reasons we get ourselves into these stupid wars without thinking  
critically enough to put in question whether they are right or not.
I remember in France all the hubbub was about whether the war was right or  
not.  In the U.S.A. Bush criticised Mitterand, almost called him a traitor  
(for having hesitated), and everyone (almost) was all out on "yey, go kick  
but, we love you troops!! Yey!!  Go! Yey!!!" (puke).
Patriotism and stupidity go hand in hand in my opinion, but they go  
espacially entangled together in the USA, because in the USA, I find very  
few people question the authorities enough, and have that satirical  
critical mind, especially the people who are the "patriots".

well
cheers

Jonas
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts
From: yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler)
Subject: Re: I thought this was meant to be about facts !
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:43:45 GMT

In article <BvnCHG.61E@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David  
Morning) writes:
> dathomas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Thomas) writes:
> 
> >i thought the whole idea about htis file was that it was going to be  
about
> >FACTS. So here one is: only 446 allied troops were killed during desert
> >storm. 

> 
> >I suppose you could say that the US did "kick some Butt", and to my
> >knowledge they did - they killed 7 British desert-rats!!!!


Wait.  I can understand what you're saying, if it's meant to be pure irony  
that is.  "Kick but?" I find it hard to call killing someone "kicking  
but," but if they're allies to top it...The irony in what you said is a  
good way of showing how we didn't kick but.
And if you weren't being ironical, then may allah have mercy on you.
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts
From: dathomas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dave Thomas)
Subject: My Last Posting
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:26:48 GMT

Having read the resent postings, and the E-mail that i have recieved, I
now feel that I need to add another posting to clarify a few things.

With hindsight, I now see that it is hard to write something which other
people are going to read, so that they will read it in the way that you
meant it to be read.

The sentance about the number of allied troops killed is, to the best of
my knowledge, the correct figure. I can see no way in which that can cause
confusion.

The part about the deaths of the Desert-Rats and my patriotism, I now see,
is very unclear. I meant it to be read in a sarcastic way. It was written
in response to the first posting that *I* read in this file which said the
"US kicked butt".

The reason for this I will try to explain in the following section:

Being new to the net, I have made several assumptions, chief among them
that everyone reading the file would be of the same nationality that I am.
This I know know is not the case. Being BRITISH, not American (as someone
assumed) the comment about "my patriotism comming out" was meant to be a
rebuttal of the US kicking butt atitude.

I can only appologise unreservedly for what has transpired because of my
first posting in this file. I will word all future postings that I may
make more carefully. This has been an invaluable lesson for me in the
problems of the use of the net.

I hope that this had made more clear the meaning of my first posting.

                             Yours,

                             DAVE THOMAS

Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: I thought this was meant to be about fact
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:42:41 GMT

In article <ld3qchINN98d@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> designer@archeteque.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>>(Sorry, just my patriotism comming out!)
>
>>Do patriotism and stupidity go hand in hand in the US?
>
>From what I've seen, patriotism (nationalism, jingoism, chest-beating)
>and stupidity go hand in hand nearly everywhere.
>Do you know of an exception?
>

	It depends upon what you think of as patriotism.  If you
	consider "My country right or wrong" and its paraphrases
	as the only form of patriotism then you're going to look
	stupid on a regular basis.  If, on the other hand, you
	consider patriotism doing what you believe best for your
	country, implying that you would disagree with the powers
	that be when you thought they were wrong, then you're also
	going to looked upon as stupid by the right-or-wrongers on
	a regular basis.  Either side is capable of finding the
	right solution to a problem, but, to paraphrase the First
	Law of Thermodynamics: you can't win, you can only break
	even.

	Alec Chambers.
ORGANIZATION: LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIV - CENTER FOR ACADEMIC COMPUTING
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 13:31:40 PST
From: <FDLS@LMUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm.facts
Subject: Re: I thought this was meant to be about fact

No.
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:37:27 GMT

In article <16250001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.
>
>1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [ ]
>

  What's this got to do with alt.great-lakes?


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john r la plante                    graduate student, Ohio State University
jrl+@osu.edu                        political analysis done while you wait
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:30:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: For my Brother
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:42:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Hi,

I am posting this for my brother who is looking for a female
with which to correspond by U.S. mail (he does not have computer
access.)

He (we) are from the great lakes area - lived on Lake Michigan.
He loves water, fishing, outdoors, etc.

He is 29 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 6' tall, and being
his little sister, I have no clue how much he weighs.  

He wants to write letters to someone on the basis of a friendship.

If you are interested, please e-mail me and I will tell you more
and give you his address.

Thanks.

Chris.  :)