From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Armageddon NOW!
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:44:00 GMT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

#1913

>Subject: Re: Armageddon NOW!
>From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
>Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:59:06 GMT

>Tord Ivarsson writes:
>                         [...]
>> It seems that pre-millianism (belief that the arrival of Jesus is
>>after the millenium) is connected with the view that the Jews
>>(the physical decendandts of Abraham) are today excluded from
>>any kind of covenant with G-d.
> 
>This is one of the craziest things I've heard yet in this
>newsgroup.  Where did you get this idea?  Can you name one
>premillenialist who has suggested such a thing?

I think Tord meant to say postmillennialism.  Notice what he said immediately
after the word, in parentheses.

>Pre-millenialists believe that Satan, the god of this world, hates
>Israel passionately because God loves Israel.  Therefore the
>nations hate Israel (they hate whoever their god hates).

Not only that, but if he can destroy Israel, he can make God a liar, since He
promised to restore them.  Beyond that, the return of the Messiah is contingent
upon Israel's repentance and acceptance of Him.  The contest is for dominion
over this planet.  Who is Lord?  Satan wants to be.  He cannot be as long as
the Jews exist, and the threat remains that Messiah will return and defeat
him.  Included in his plan to ultimately destroy them is the tactic of
fostering the great schism between followers of the Jewish Messiah and the
rest of the Jews.  This accomplishes a couple of things:  (1) It keeps the
Rabbinic Jews in darkness, so that they cannot recognize the Messiah, and (2)
it promotes antisemitism, which is helpful when it comes to persecuting and
destroying the Jews.  A major tactic here is promoting antisemitic theology
among Gentile Christians to prevent them from fulfilling their role in
provoking the Jews to jealousy and reaching them with God's love.  So far
they haven't been given much reason to be jealous, and with the "love" the
Christians have shown the Jews, who needs the PLO?

This is a good place to again mention Mike Brown's book, OUR HANDS ARE
STAINED WITH BLOOD, ISBN 1-56043-068-0, 1992, published by Destiny Image
Publishers, P.O. Box 310, Shippensburg, Pennsylvania 17257.  It is also
available from Messiah Biblical Institute Bookstore,  P.O. Box 7163,
Gaithersburg, Maryland 20898.  Call (301) 977-0156.

This book is going to cause a real stir in the Church.  It also contains
a message very pertinent to this newsgroup, so those who are regulars here
should definitely get it.  Everybody else should, too.

>God's record is clean with regard to His promises.  Jesus
>fulfilled the first coming prophecies literally.  He will fulfill
>those that remain in the same manner that he did those first
>prophecies - literally.  Whenever theology refutes the idea that
>God will fulfill his promises exactly, then guess what?  That
>theology is mistaken.

Yes!

>He was born in literal Bethlehem, just as the prophet said.  He
>will return to literal Jerusalem, just as the prophet said.  And
>so on ...

Amen!  Maranatha!

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     /\			I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power
____/__\____		of God for salvation to every one who believes, to the
\  / || \  /		Jew first and also to the Greek.  For in it the
 \/--++--\/		righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith;
 /\  ||  /\		as it is written, "But the righteous man shall live
/  \ || /  \		by faith."
----\--/----						-- Romans 1:16-17
     \/			-- Bruce Tiffany