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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Dean Smith (Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS)
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:55:45 GMT

In article <29365@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>In rec.sport.basketball.college, markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham 
>P205) writes:
>
>Are you saying that everytime UNC loses to a talented team, that is
>excusable?  UNC's slow start is excusable because they're playing Michigan?
>UNC's loss to Michigan was excusable because UNC was playing Michigan,
>and therefore should lose to Michigan?  
>It seems that you are making excuses for UNC whenever UNC loses a game.

No, I'm just not afraid to say that other teams can outplay us, on occasion.



>Lynch's poor performance is excusable because UNC was playing Michigan?

Lynch played poor because he has a habit of taking questionable shots.
So far he's 0 for 5 from three point range, and I haven't seen him take
a single one when the shot clock was running down.  He just gets the ball
and tries to bury it (with me yelling, 'WHO THE H*LL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?").
He knows the only part of his game that is lacking is his outside jumper
and he has simply been working it too hard.  Hell, even dean told him to
pay attention to his shot selection during the Michigan game (or so I heard).



> >Perhaps you'll like to humor us by explaining how Villanove, NCSU, and
> >Kansas won their titles in the 80's?  The odds were certainly against
> >them.  And what about that Duke title over UNLV?
>
>These teams won because they outplayed their opponents.  Simple, isn't 
>it?  This shows that any team can rise to the ocassion and outplay a 
>superior team.  Excellent coaching and game preparation also contributed.

Is it not possible that Michigan beat UNC for the same reasons?



> >>I am an UNC fan who happens to know that Dean Smith isn't a basketball
> >>god.  Perhaps just an angel or a saint or something.  Perhaps another
> >>NCAA title will make Dean a god? :-)
> >
> >He's only had two double-digit loss years over the last quarter of a
> >century.  People can judge coaches on whatever they want.  Some (ME)
> >choose championships, some (YOU) choose winning.
>
>Actually, I choose both winning and championship.  You say that you
>choose championships.  This means that unless you're a Duke fan, you
>think that your team has not performed satisfactorily and has fallen
>short of your expectations in the past two years?

Oops, I meant to say that some (YOU) choose championships, some (ME)
choose winning.  Sorry, I must have been high.

Has UNC fell short of my expectations in the past two years?  Well, yes.
As a matter of fact they have fallen short of my expectations ever since
the 81-82 title season.   Have they fallen short of what *SHOULD* be
expected of them?  It's hard to tell.

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From: Craig.Simpson@launchpad.unc.edu (Craig Simpson)
Subject: Re: Kentucky over Indiana
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:19:16 GMT

In article <79140@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.114426.10284@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>>In article <1993Jan04.125632.2964@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge) writes:
>
>>more. They sucked it up when they got tired and they won. Especially Travis
>>Ford. He's the overall player of the game. No question about it. IU had momemtum
>>swing there way when they took that 72-68 lead but Travis game down and answered
>>with a 3 followed by Jamal's 3. 
>
>Travis had a great game, no doubt about it.  When UK got behind, neither
>he nor the other players panicked.
>

The thing that bothers me about Ford is his defense, it looks rather weak.
If Patino has to pull him on D at the end of each game like he did against
IU then teams with really good point guards will eat him up (someone like
Hurley).

>Kentucky relied heavily on its 3 point shooting against IU, and was
>successful, but the lack of a consistent inside game against a smaller
>Indiana frontcourt bodes ill for the future.  Some day the 3s won't
>drop and unless UK can get reliable performances out of Dent, Riddick,
>and Martinez, it'll be in trouble.
>
I seems like the only half court offense that UK has is the three or
one-on-one moves by Mashburn and Rhodes (and maybe Ford).  Packer seems
to think that they will get better as the year progresses but I'm not
sure.  Ever sense Patino has been coach at UK thats all I've seen from 
them.  Is this the case?  Would some UK fan let me know if I'm wrong
one this?

Craig Simpson
craig@unx.sas.com


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From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Subject: Terps rip Howard, 109-69
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:38:21 GMT

During what turned out to be a great weekend for Maryland athletics (ie. Frank
Reich, the Lady Terrapins over Purdue on national TV, etc), the Terps defeated
the Bison resoundingly. The game was a rout from the beginning. The only action
of note was when Howard's assistant coach was thrown out of the game during the
second half after his second technical foul. Howard's coach Beard also
conducted a post-game officiating bitch session. Guess he wasn't happy about
the foul ratio (at one point during the second half, Howard had 12 team fouls
to Maryland's 4).

Maryland now moves on to Ga. Tech Tuesday night; it is the ACC's first
conference game of the year. Raycom is covering the game on TV. As usual, I
will add the 14,500 screaming Terp fans at Cole!

Go TERPS!!
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From: zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (1/10/93)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:43:11 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <krg=wd#@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>>                  AP Top 25
>>                Through Jan. 10
>>
>>                      Record Points  Pvs
>>1.  Kentucky (50)       11-0  1,608    2
>>2.  Michigan (14)       12-1  1,545    3
>>3.  Duke (1)            10-1  1,496    1
>
>
>Just curious.  How come Michigan is ranked ahead of Duke?  Didn't the
>voters remember the big blow-out a month ago (Duke over Michigan by 14,
>if I remember correctly) ?

It was Duke over Michigan by 11 (plus an uncontested layup by Hurley at
the buzzer). I would not classify this a blowout. Michigan has come a 
long way since then, and they have won against three top 10 teams away
from home. Remember that the polls reflect current team potential rather 
than a month ago. 

>- Louis (a Michigan fan)



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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: Re: Coaches Ties (was Re: Trash talking %^$#@*)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:47:58 GMT

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:


>Speaking of Coaches' Ties, did anybody see Lou Henson and his
>assistants on Thursday night!  Arrrgh!

Could have been worse, Lou could have worn the Orange Jacket (tm).

Speaking of trash talking %^$#@*, NU assistant coach Bill Donlon's son (By
sheer coincidence also named Bill) was finally quiet Friday afternoon after
needling my unimpressive, though still mine, Orange and Blue all week... about
damn time... >:-)

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From: puter@orphan.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude)
Subject: Congrats, Denny Crum
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:16:14 GMT

	On 1/7/92, Denny Crum (head coach for the University of 
Louisville) took home his 500th career victory. The only coach to do
this any quicker is Jerry Tarkanian. A couple of notes...

He did this at the same school, even faster than Dean Smith. Not only
is he now 500, his team is also .500. :)

UofL played the hardest non-conference schedule this year, losing 3
games by a total of 9 points. The school is also 77-0 when scoring 100
or more points. This year's team is 2nd in the NCAA for 3-point field-
goals-made this year.

Hopefully this will be the feather in Denny's cap to get him into the
Hall of Fame.

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: That was no lady ...
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:41:59 GMT
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Organization: .

(Micah Samuel Rosen) writes:
>Okay it's sounding off time.
>
>Something that's been annoying me since I began following
>women's hoops at the old UVa is the constant reference to
>women's teams as the "Lady So-and-so's." It seems to 
>perpetuate the perception of the second-class nature of
>women's basketball. 
>
>It's as though women can't be referred to as part of the
>general student body (or athlete body or whatever) and have
>to have some sort of seperate category.
>
>In a recent posting ( SWC/Pac10 Challenge - Women's Bball )
>we had the Lady Raiders, the Lady Huskies, the Lady Cougars,
>and the always alliterative Lady Longhorns. What's the
>point? Why not just Red Raiders, Huskies etc.?
>
>Then there are some schools (St. John's is one example) where
>the team name is totally changed (from Redmen to Express) for
>the benefit of the women's team. (PC arguments about native
>Americans as mascots aside, one has to wonder why the 
>university can't pick a mascot for the
>entire student body.) (By the way I'm assuming Redmen is
>a reference to native Americans, please correct me if I'm
>wrong.)
>
>Okay, I've said my piece. Now I can sit back and see if
>other people have any ideas on the subject.

I have one:  get a hobby, and quickly.


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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Iowa-Indiana & Lotsa Stuff
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:09:01 GMT

In <1993Jan9.083417@IASTATE.EDU> acfrodo@IASTATE.EDU () writes:


>I think that is was about time that an overrated Iowa team(what's new) got a
>good dose of reality.  They are a good team, but #8 please.  I think that the
>Big Ten schedule and the game with Duke will show the true Iowa team,
>more than 10 games vs. creampuff teams, ie Amana Hawkeye Classic (get
>real). 

>Question:
>andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:
>>The choices were:  Rich King Neb,  Mark Randall KU, Askew ISU, Vandiver CU,
>>Doug Smith MU.  I assume OU had someone taken in the first round.

>Who is Askew?  Iowa State didn't graduate any starters last season,
>and the only relevent graduate was Brian Pearson, backup guard.

I believe he meant Victor Alexander, who along with the other four
were taken in the 1991 draft.  And while it is true that these guys
were good collegians and first-round picks, they have been pathetic
pros, at least to this point.  Vandiver hasn't even played in the NBA
yet.

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu

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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: Hurley vs. G-Tech
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:56:51 GMT

Babbit:

DP>      Could someone explain to me what the Tech fans have against
DP> Hurley in particular (as opposed to Duke in general)?  I dunno what I
DP> missed; the announcers on CBS didn't mention anything, but they (of
DP> course) booed every time he touched the ball.  Or is it just because
DP> he's good?  (Please don't start another Hurley flame war!)

I think part of it has to do with the way he used to be (cry baby - Bart
Simpson), and the fact that he sometimes appeared to get rattled. It could
be of course that they picked on him because he's good. Did it bother you?

Oh I just thought of another reason....it's because he doesn't wear socks!

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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Conference Standings  with RPI  1/9/93
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:37:25 GMT
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In article <C0qzpE.488@news.iastate.edu> jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.094852.27912@ennews.eas.asu.edu> paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
>(Greg Paul) writes:
>
>>Big 8
>> 43. Iowa State              0  1    7  4   0.5931    62  44    604  438
>
>Iowa State's record is 8-4. All four losses are to top 25 teams.

	And I'll bet one of those wins was against a non-Division I school,
right?  Doesn't count.

>Joe Huber 
>(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: Trash talking %^$#@*)(
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:55:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.154018.9169@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>A recent radio report stated that the Georgia football coach thought
>that the most serious problem in college sport was trash talking.
>
>Opinions?

Every instance of trash talking should be awarded with a technical.

But I can think of more seeeerious problems in college sport (i.e., less
amenable to cure):

1. alumni giving money/cars/favors to players.
2. alumni of rival schools doing (1).
3. ugly school colors (yellow and blue, blue and silver, yellow and black...).
4. ugly floors (usually too much paint with disgusting amount of writing.)
5. cheerleaders wearing excess clothing (hyperthermia).
6. the absence of a free natonal television network dedicated to Indiana.
7. the coaches wearing ties and suits as if they were working for a living.
8. the exponential growth of time to play remaining time as t approaches 40.
9. intensional foul -- should be replaced by a fee not to exceed the last car
   given by the alumni or the last car given my the alumni of the rival
   school, whichever is less by the blue book value.

				-- Marek

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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: Sagarin Schedule Rankings?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:53:51 GMT

Micheal von Foerster:

> I'm looking at this past Wednesday's rankings and I see Utah State with
> the #1 schedule strength followed by East Tennessee State and Cornell.

Where would Michigan fit in there? They have played
DUKE,UNC,NEBRASKA,KANSAS,PURDUE, and they have the rest of the Big 11 to
deal with. 

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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:14:17 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <8445@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
> Everyone knows that Duke's last non-conference loss at home was to Louisville
>back in 1983.  But do you know who the only other non-com teams to beat
>Duke at home under Coach K are? Hints to follow.
>
>There are three of them.
>
>All three came in the 81-82 and 82-83 seasons.  One was a season-opening
>loss.
>
>One of the schools is in North Carolina, one of them in New York and the other
>one in Tennessee.

	Let's see... that would be Appalachain State, Wagner and Vanderbilt.
God, that Wagner loss was *painful*.

>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Cincinnati Chili, Re: B. Knight transfers
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:12:00 GMT

In article <DOEL.93Jan7161134@bbq.bae.bellcore.com>
doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>Sid Kitchel writes:
>
>> creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>> 
>> >In article <C0GKn4.5y2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:
>> >>If the IU cooks could make better chili, they might be 
>> >>able to hang onto those Cincinatti kids!
>> 
>> >   Hey, I've had the chili.  It's really pretty good.  Of course I've
>> >never had Gold Star Chili, so maybe they miss that.
>> 
>> 	Yes, yes, it does have a unique taste. But it AIN'T chili. It
>> is made by greeks or yugoslavs in Cincinnati, who do not put any chili
>> powder in at all. It is not spicy hot and any self-respectin'
>> Southwesterner would rather spit it out than eat it!!
>
>Allright.  Having grown up in the Queen City, I can not sit idly by and
>allow the traditions I hold so dear to be ridiculed like this.  Cincinnati
>chili is different from Texas chili, but it's chili nonetheless.  And it's
>mostly made by high school kids, of many different origins (the ethnic
>heritage of Cincinnati is mostly German, not Greek or Slavic).  What goes
>into the mix is highly secret.
>
>Real Cincinnati chili can only be found at Skyline restraunts.  Gold Star
>chili is also pretty close.  Everything else is just a copout.  While at
>Ohio State, they'd have Cincinnati chili night at the commons, and I'll be
>damned if they served us anything resembling what I grew up on.

Sid and points West/North by North West/South by South West:

The closest Skyline place is in Harrison, Ohio, off I-74 at the first or
second Harrison exit, close to the interstate.  (there is only one main
drag).  That's 2 hours from Bloomington.  If you like adventure, go for it.

Personally, Cincinnati chili -- and I have lived in Cincinnati through
college and then some -- is a poor substitute for spaghetti bolognia, as 
prepared my Mom Marek.  But I recognize the need for it, so I won't put it
down.  Incidentally, Texan chilies (many varieties, including the truly
unpalatable World Championship Chili Cook-off chili) are considered
disgusting in New Mexico, and vice versa.  I like New Mexico food, actually.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone would waste their sweet young
short life eating chili if they can eat Indian or Thai or Vietnamese...

				-- Marek
From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: ACC Update
Keywords: ??
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:23:15 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan11.120132.16184@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau) writes:
<In article <726523541@stego.cs.duke.edu< rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<DUKE ROOLZ!!!
<<
<<
<<If you don't want to see this three times a week, then someone volunteer
<<to start doing updates.
<
<Guess we won't be seeing this three times a week...

Fortunately not, but you still ended up with a Dukie doing the updates.
Everyone had their chance.

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From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley vs. G-Tech
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:40:20 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <8532@news.duke.edu>, whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
|> In article <8507@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
|> >
|> >Actually, I was watching the movie "Repo Man" on A&E this weekend and it
|> >is absolutely amazing how much Bobby Hurley looks like the young Emilio
|> >Estevez.  Especially with his newfound tan (such as it is) and
|> >straightened teeth (courtesy of off-season orthodontia).  
|> >He's the spitting image!
|> >- Rob Mac K
|> >
|> 
|> 
|> And the attitude is there, too!  Does this mean Bobby Hurley and Paula
|> Abdul will be sleeping together?  What will Arsenio say?  Personally, as
|> a guy and a Duke fan, I would say "Woo! Woo! Woo!".
	     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Geez, as a Duke fan I thought you would say "Wah, Wah, Wah".
;^)	;^)

Tom
|> 
|> -Will Gay

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