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From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: TOS picture quality on Beeb
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:06:15 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

I don't think that it could of escaped TOS watchers' notice that the TOS being
repeated at the mo is different to what we are used to.

1.  I think it is fully unedited (at least the Man Trap was longer than
previous versions)
2.  The precredit is actually before the credits (like the Beeb showings of
STTNG)
3.  They are at the correct speed ( not sped up by 4pc as usual)
4.  They are NTSC conversions (this explains the above statements!)

As for the picture quality, well, after hearing it was going to be awfull, I
thought it was ok.  The colours were a bit subdued, but at least this stops it
looking like lost in space!!  Although, the colour on Charlie X was not bad at
all!

Also the sound level on the Man trap (from the Nicam carrier) was a bit low,
but on charlie X it was fine.

T.G.Nattress@uk.ac.ncl

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From: jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Thunderbirds episode guide?
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Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 8:25:26 EDT
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	Has anyone got an episode guide to the "Thunderbirds?"  Discussion
of this show recently cropped up on rec.arts.tv, and when I tried to
describe the episodes I remembered I realized how many I'd forgotten.

	It would be great if someone could e-mail it to me, because
I don't do much ftp'ing.  But if someone could explain how to FTP,
I could probably do that, too.

	Thanks in advance,


	Jim Acker
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Fawlty Towers question
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:14:41 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL


As requested, the complete Faulty Towers episode guide:

A Touch of Class
The Builders
The Wedding Party
The Hotel Inspectors
Gourmet Night
The Germans
Communication Problems
The Psychiatrist
Waldorf Salad
The Kipper and the Corpse
The Anniversary
Basil the Rat

Perhaps a summary of each episode will follow, but not bloody
likely! Well, Ok....
  
A Touch of Class: Lord Melbury comes to visit the Towers and Basil
		  trips head over heels to try and keep his "royal"
		  guest in comfort, including a large loan to
		  the "lord," who turns out to be a crook (thanks
		  to the discovery by Polly). 

The Builders    : Basil hires O'Reilly to do some minor work to
		  the hotel's interior over Sybil's objections.
		  After he screws it up, O'Reilly comes again to
		  "fix" things and naturally, makes even a bigger mistake!

The Wedding Party: Basil gets a visit by Mrs. Peignoir and Sybil
		   gets jealous.

The Hotel Inspectors: Basil repeatedly mistakes two different men for
		      the insidious "hotel" inspectors and treats
		      them accordingly when he discovers his mistake.

Gourmet Night   : While dignataries come to visit, Kurt the cook
		  becomes sloshed and Fawlty & Co. take over.

The Germans     : While Sybil is in the hospital, Basil runs the
		  hotel. While conducting a fire drill, a real
		  fire breaks out and Basil manages to hurt himself
		  enough to get in the hospital. After "escaping,"
		  he returns to run the hotel properly, serving
		  some Germans at dinner with more than just food!
		 
End of the first season. Maybe I'll post the summaries of 
the second series later...


-- 
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From: miriam@legs.gps.caltech.edu (Miriam Jackson)
Subject: british programmes in L.A.
Keywords: southern california, pbs
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:40:08 GMT

Judging by what I read on the net, either the L.A. area is seriously 
deficient in british comedy and british t.v. in general, or I just
haven't found it yet.  Most of what I see is on Bravo or the
comedy channel (we have cable).  So far I've seen Blackadder (Sunday
at 1 a.m.), which is followed by Monty Python, Rik Mayall in
Grimm Tales on Sunday at 2 p.m. (?) on Bravo, and Fry and laurie.  Oh,
and AYBS, which I try to avoid.  Once I caught en episode of Red Dwarf
on a Saturday morning.  It was the one with the C.L.I.T.O.R.I.S.
acronym, so may have been pulled because of that.  Would some kind
southern californian tell this exiled Geordie where the decent
programs are?  Or, should I just move to Boston or Seattle, so I
too can enjoy Red Dwarf marathons,

	Thanks,

		Miriam Jackson

BTW, Grim Tales is brilliant.  How come I haven't seen this dicussed
on the net, yet?
From: jhill@gallstone.bucknell.edu (HILL, S JACKSON)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Lovejoy episode request
Keywords: Lovejoy
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:07:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: gallston.2SEP199212070936
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Is it possible for anyone to post a list of episodes of Lovejoy.  A&E has 
started over so many times, it is impossible to keep the episodes straight
and in order.  How many series of Lovejoy have there been? Three?  Four?
Can anyone help?
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From: etllnfr@eddie.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher)
Subject: Re: Number of Episodes in Brit TV Series
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:45:58 GMT

In article <Btwr9t.6w6@wpi.WPI.EDU> mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) writes:
>
>Feel free to correct me from the other side, but I believe a "series"
>in the UK is 6 eps.

Sorry this is wrong. The "usual" number of episodes per series should be
13. There tend to be 3 exceptions to this.

1) If a show was made primarily for US consumption like the so called
   "Mid Atlantic" adventure shows ITC made in the 60's. These shows
   (The Champions, The Baron et al) usually had 26 episodes as per the
   American standard.

2) Shows that are realy collections of what Americans would call TV Movies.
   (Inspector Morse, Wexford et al). These are shot to cinematic standards
   on film and are therefore a) more expensive b) technicaly more complex.
   This  means that they are made in small groups, usually 4 or 5 stories.

3) Comedies. Thirteen shows can use up an awfull lot of a comics material.
   For example, in the early eighty's Jasper Carrott gave up doing TV for          a couple of years because of the effect it was having on his standup
   routines. In practice therefore the actual number of episodes of a
   comedy series tend to depend on the amount of material to hand,
   how busy the stars are and how technically complex the rest of the 
   show is.
   Red Dwarf tends to have around 6 episodes per season because:-
   a) The writers deliberately limit the amount they do so as not to
      wear out ideas.

   b) The stars, especially Chris Barrie have lots of other commitments.

   c) SF is more complex to produce.


>must be broadcast at the end.   Very tiresome!   Also, when watching
>these UK shows, remember to check for copyright dates.  Some of the
>things we are seeing now were made over 3 years ago and are only now
>being marketed worldwide by the BBC.

I know I keep saying this but the BBC is NOT the only TV channel we have.
A very large proportion of the stuff that is popular in the States
(Morse, Wexford, Minder et al) is made by or for the ITV companies.
Of the rest, a lot of the so called BBC programs are made by independent
production companies in the same way that Universal makes stuff for
loads of different networks in the States. WE don't say "Oh that's
an NBC program" because it's NOT, it's usually either Universal or
Paramount.

Sorry I came over a bit strong, but I'm very destressed as to what has
happened to the BBC in the last few years. Watch the repeats of B7 and
Dr Who while you can. You won't see their like again. :-(


Fletch

>--Margaret
>
>
>

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From: davros@triton.unm.edu (Seymour Butt)
Subject: Thunderbirds Episode Guide
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:29:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


>>    Is there any thunderbirds episode guides available
>>    via FTP  or is there any book in print.
>>

>>    -ketan-

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From: feldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Todd J. Feldman)
Subject: The New Statesman
Originator: feldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:31:06 GMT

Can anyone tell me how many series there are of "The New Statesman".

I know it must be 3 or 4, but a friend and I couldn't agree on it.

Thanks!

Todd
From: D.S.Walker@bradford.ac.uk (Simeon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: British Household Habits (was: washing the dishes)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:24:52 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91909178@occam

In article <CAH.92Aug27185559@jemima.bham.ac.uk> cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:
>>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 16:30:24 GMT, ian@marmite.West.Sun.COM (Ian Griffin - NCN Reseller SE) said:
>
>Ian> However, by far the cleverest improvement in American toasting
>Ian> vs. British is that they cut the toast diagonally, thereby
>Ian> avoiding the dilemma we all have as to whether the round end or
>Ian> the square end is preferable...
>
>Eh? So you get to choose the diagonal slice with the round end or the
>diagonal slice with the square end? Am I missing something in this
>"improvement"?

Why not just eat square bread, or better still eat the WHOLE slice ;-)


-- 
Sim. ----------------------------------------------------------- Simeon Walker,
----------------------------------------- Department of Electrical Engineering,
D.S.Walker@bradford.ac.uk -------------------- University of Bradford, England.
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From: wilsons@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Wilf Lung??????
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:09:05 GMT

  Last night while listening to the radio I heard a voice of a man I'm
 sorry to say I've forgotten all about, the great inventor,
and all round British eccentric Wilf Lung (sp?). It
must be at least ten years since I last heard anything about him,
and I'm despirately trying to remember which TV programmes he use
to appear in. I think they were progs such as the wonderful Jigsaw 
and Vision On, or one of the semi-surreal progs like these 
produced by Clive Doig.

  For those who are still in the dark about the great man, Wilf used to 
dress as if he was a member of a barbershop quartet, complete with waistcoat 
and straw boata. Perhaps the most striking feature was his ginger moustache
which was perhaps a foot long. He used to invent all types of
wierd and wonderful machines, based upon some inverted logic, all
of which used to produce large bangs and sparks, and generally not
work. Quite often though he would come up with an idea that made
perfect sense, and you thought why nobody had come up with it before.

From the radio interview he seems to be still at the inventing game, but 
does anybody know what he has been up to in the last ten years or so?
I don't catch much British kids TV living in Germany, so is he still
on? 

Come to think of it is Johnny Ball still going?




Simon Wilson.

               ZEUS UK, DESY, Hamburg, Germany.  
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Stinkers: Dempsey and Makepeace
Organization: Clark University
Date: 25 AUG 92 18:29:18 GMT

If anyone is compiling a list of all-time stinkers, "Dempsey and
Makepeace" HAS to be on it.  One of the truly rotten shows in the
history of TV.  It was a UK/US co-production, as I understand,
so full blame cannot be placed on either culture.

Heather Henderson
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
Clark University
Worcester, MA
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Washing the dishes (and Coronation Street)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:46:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Tim Oldham (tjo@its.bt.co.uk) wrote:
: 
: To continue the Coro angle: isn't Angie brilliant? It's more than Curly
: deserves to have her living in the same house. Let's hope that any
: suitor is up to scratch.

Well she's a lot better than Kimberley... poor old Curly...

Time for alt.coronation-street?

Pete
--
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Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'
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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Stinkers: Dempsey and Makepeace (NOT)
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:32:31 GMT

hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>If anyone is compiling a list of all-time stinkers, "Dempsey and
>Makepeace" HAS to be on it.  One of the truly rotten shows in the
>history of TV.  It was a UK/US co-production, as I understand,
>so full blame cannot be placed on either culture.

To each his/her own I guess.

I liked it.

It doesn't even come close to being a 'truly rotten show'.
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: New Stuff on BBC in the new season
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:46:01 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

For Everyone:

On Sunday, (Sept 6th), The follow-up Special to A Very Peculiar Practice
will be shown.

For UK:

On Friday's in the Thunderbirds spot at 6pm, Stingray will now be
shown.`

In a couple of weeks time, A complete re-run of the whole Thunderbirds
series will be shown. Sunday lunchtimes.

Source: Radiotimes (TV Hell :-))

Neil

P.S. The BBC is now showing the Wayne's World shorts from Saturday
     Night Live. This is the first WW I've seen.

     Conclusion: Bill and Ted	-	EXCELLENT
		 Wayne's World	-	BOGUS.


	Wayne's World is *NOT* Funny.


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From: graeme@abekrd.co.uk (Graeme Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Stinkers: Dempsey and Makepeace
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:06:31 GMT
Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Reading, UK.

In <25AUG92.18291888@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>If anyone is compiling a list of all-time stinkers, "Dempsey and
>Makepeace" HAS to be on it.  One of the truly rotten shows in the
>history of TV.  It was a UK/US co-production, as I understand,
>so full blame cannot be placed on either culture.

	D&M has to be included in the "Worst Continuity of All-Time". It
always had really _stupid_ continuity cock-ups in it. One week Makepeace
(or Dempsey I never can remember) got into a car wearing one dress and
drove after the baddies. During the driving scenes there were two in-car
camera angles, each showed her wearing a different dress, and when she got
out of the car at the end she had a fourth one on.

	Ah well, I suppose the had to keep interest in the programme up
somehow.
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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: The Bill question
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:50:55 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep2.115618.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THE MAD DUCK) writes:
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is regarding 'The Bill'?
> 
> I had read recently (two months ago) that some other program would be
> replacing it in 1993. 
> 
> I know Thames TV lost their licence, but I had heard they would still 
> remain a production company and thus I assumed they would still be
> producing 'The Bill'.
> 
> Edward Duck

Relax. The Bill will continue to be made by Thames for at least the next
two years.
-- 

Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	      Tel: (0382) 308810
From: che238n@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Red Dwarf
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:51:15 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <64620@cup.portal.com>, smf@cup.portal.com (Steven Murray Field) writes:
> Red Dwarf has started playing (again?, New episodes?) here in Southern
> California.  Does anybody know of an existing newsgroup where this is being
> discussed?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 70376.116@compuserve.com

alt.tv.red-dwarf


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From: dunlop_f@med.wcc.govt.nz
Subject: Re: Stinkers: Dempsey and Makepeace
Reply-To: dunlop_f@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:39:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.094119.203@apricot.co.uk>, steve@apricot.co.uk (Steve Flavell) writes:
>pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>>John Francis (johnf@apollo.hp.com) wrote:
>>: In article <1992Aug26.013128.27086@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> dunlop_f@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>: >We had D & M here in New Zealand. I reckoned it wasn't too bad. 
>>: >I liked the Ford Escort one of them drove.
>>: 
>>: Cosworth Sierra, I believe.  What with that and Soo Lin . . . .
>>: 
>>: -- 
>>: John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
>>: The world can be divided into two classes :-
>>:  those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
>
>>End of an era - the Sierra Cosworth will cease to be manufactured at the end
>>of this year. Blame the recession and insurance premiums.
>
>Yes but Ford have just released the Escort Cosworth, an all together more   
>powerful and good looking car than the Sierra.
>
>Wait till you see one, the rear wing is even larger and it has huge bulbous
>wheel arches to encase the wheels.
>
>>Pete
>>--
>>*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment Procedures*
>>Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
>>EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'
The Evening Post newspaper here in Wellington had a bit of a write 
up about one. Beautiful looking car. This new Escort makes my 1980 Escort 
look awful. My Ford dealer said he could import one for me at a 
cost of $86,000 NZ. I quickly said "No thanks"!!
From: tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: British Household Habits (was: washing the dishes)
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:03:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: BT Group Computing Services, Birmingham, UK

In article <l9q0p0INN3pd@west.west.sun.com> ian@marmite.West.Sun.COM writes:
>However, by far the cleverest improvement in American toasting vs. British
>is that they cut the toast diagonally, thereby avoiding the dilemma we
>all have as to whether the round end or the square end is preferable...

This is SOP in all hotels everywhere, isn't it?. At home, you don't cut
it at all. 

BR toast is very poor; a big basket is used to ferry it round, and it
goes soggy. Not bad with your egg and bacon, but not so hot with the
marmalade. 

Note the followup.

        Tim.
-- 
Tim Oldham, BT Group Computing Services.       tjo@its.bt.co.uk
``Sounds good to me'' 
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From: lskinner@emr1.emr.ca (Lauren Skinner)
Subject: Re: Capital City
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:39:08 GMT

In article <92245.183548RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Robert Chambers
> <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>My local PBS station is starting to show a programme called CAPITAL CITY
>(I think that's what it's called)  What's it like? is it worth watching
>or should I watch my Thomas the Train videos instead?

YES!  It is a really good drama series and actually has some creditable
characterization.  The CBC in Canada is telecasting it every Sunday
morning.  It's a little bit "soapy" in that it has continuing story 
threads, and it has an excellant ensemble cast.  

From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:04:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Satellite TV
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk


 Hi Scott, 

 We have just got our Sky TeeVee dish installed, what so you wanna discuss??

 Gumby

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From: ziauddin@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Tasneem Ziauddin)
Subject: Re: New Morse
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:52:02 GMT

Does anyone know if this new Morse is based on one of Colin Dexter's books
or another episode written by someone else using his characters?  

Don't get me wrong--I have enjoyed the latter as well as the former but was
slightly disappointed that not all of Dexter's works were adapted.  

Ok, so a series has to end sometime, but how depressing.

Tasneem
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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: WILF LUNN (was Re: Wilf Lung??????)
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:04:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

wilsons@vxdesy.desy.de wrote:
: 
:   Last night while listening to the radio I heard a voice of a man I'm
:  sorry to say I've forgotten all about, the great inventor,
: and all round British eccentric Wilf Lung (sp?). It

				  Wilf Lunn. Shame on you for forgetting!

: must be at least ten years since I last heard anything about him,
: and I'm despirately trying to remember which TV programmes he use
: to appear in. I think they were progs such as the wonderful Jigsaw 
: and Vision On, or one of the semi-surreal progs like these 
: produced by Clive Doig.


Wilf used to turn up on a lot of the more intelligent variety of children's
programmes, and also on the game show ``It's Patently Obvious'' in which
bizarre (usually Victorian) inventions were paraded before the panel with
the aim of determining what they actually did. Although I haven't seen him
on the TV much recently I understand he has some kind of museum thingy in
Lancashire with eccentric inventions in it, and he is still inventing things
himself. He has turned up on Look North West once or twice, and very rarely
gets a mention in the press.

Pete
--
*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment Procedures*
Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'