From: sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Affirmative Action should be Dead
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:03:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Society for the Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless

In article <93008.074958KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   Again Terry, you selectively edit what people say to fit your own purposes.
>Beside telling you that you are out of your league, I also told you that Blacks
>have been over looked in coaching in favor of LESS QUALIFIED whites.

It is a bad thing for the less qualified person to be hired because of
racial preference.

I don't know much about sports, but I don't believe that there is any
objective method of determining which potential coach is better than
another.  (If there is, please correct me.)  Therefore, the decision
as to which coach is better is a matter of judgement; based on the
number of arguments over professional sports, I'd say it's clear that
people's judgements differ.

>  As I say
>above, there is not quota, no specific number of black coaches needed, but if
>the qualified blacks were hired, then there wouldn't be a feeling that blacks
>are underrepresented in coaching.

Are you saying that ALL the qualified blacks should be hired?  Should
ALL the qualified whites be hired?  Are there enough head coach jobs
to go around?

>>You're right, Lee was the one who said, "I can't see a white reporter relating
>>to a black person being interviewed".
>>
>
>    Yes, he did say that, at least quote him correctly, which you originally
>didn't do.  He did not say a black person, he said he didn't see a white
>reporter relating to HIM.  Quite a difference.   If he feels a white person
>can't relate to him, then he speaks the truth (can you relate to Spike Lee?).
>I am sure there are white people who think they can't relate to black people.
>Spike said this because he wants to give publicity to the few black reporters
>there are, this is what he has said.  Though his statement IS a bigotted one,
>his heart was in the right place (watch in terry's followup, the only part that
> will be kept is the fact that I said that spike's quote was bigotted).

The thing that strikes me as interesting is that when a white makes a
bigotted statement, you feel he is evil.  When a black makes a
bigotted statement, you say "his heart was in the right place".

>    Because there are qualified Blacks in the judiciary that are being passed
>over in favor of less qualified white candidates.

Is there an objective way to determine how qualified a judge is?  Are
there any cases of white judges being passed over in favor of less
qualified black candidates?

>    Again you selectively edit my comments.  I went on to say that Hollywood
>movies are supposed to be a depiction of our society (except for the Disney
>cartoons and anything that ARnold does).  If we are to believe hollywood, then
>we would think there are no Black women in America.  There is no quota, but can
>you name a movie that featured a Black women in THE starring role beside "A
>Color Purple"?  Out of the millions and millions of movies made there should be
>SOME!  That is no quota, that is just pure probability!  Oh, I forgot, Terry
>doesn't understand probabilities.

I see.  Hollywood movies are supposed to be a depiction of our
society, except for those that aren't.  And the people who star in
them ought to be chosen at random from the entire population, rather
than according to the judgement of the studios as to who will earn the
most money for them.

>>>It just isn't Black women either, Hispanic and Asian-
>>>American women find it hard to get work in Hollywood also.

From what I've read, EVERYBODY finds it hard to get work in Hollywood,
except for a few people with proven track records.

Seth
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