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From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: IBM lamers at their worst - uiuc siggraph meeting
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:21:37 GMT

In article <copes.716107836@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>
>I heard somewhere that Impulse is going to release a PC version of Imagine.
>Sort of makes your skin crawl, but they could sell heaps more copies, and a 
>bunch of 486/50's would be good for rendering, even if you can't record direct
>off one.  So you would still need an amiga, or an  expensive standards
>convertor card for one.  Anyone care to substantiate this?

Yep, that's right, Amiga is the only computer that can lay graphics
onto video tape.

matt.
>
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From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: Unix for the masses, was Re: C= (Sweden) does things right!
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:47:43 GMT

mIn article <1992Sep14.182904.20822@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.210310.15279@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story ) writes:
>>>   Now if Commodore had designed into the AA chipset some high-resolution
>>>non-interlaced display modes on the order of 1280x1024 or higher with limited
>>>color capabilities, Commodore could have been able to push into the low-end
>>>UNIX market with Amiga UNIX systems that are dirt cheap to manufacture and
>>>yet good enough to actually be sellable as UNIX workstations.  But with the
>>>AA chipset having no non-interlaced Productivity-style modes with resolutions
>>>higher than 640x480, they will not be able to do this.  
>>
>>Huh?  C= specifically mentions the same altering of resolution
>>capability as in the ECS in their "A4000" press release!  The AGA can do
>>1280 across, dude.  There's nothing preventing the AGA from doing
>>800x600 in 16 colors, 1024x768 in 4 colors or 1280x1024 monochrome all
>>noninterlaced.
>
>   sorry, but you cannt get solid technical details from press releases.  First
>of all, the AGA Lisa chip cannot generate any resolution modes that are not
>also possible (but with more limited color capabilities) in the ECS Denise.
>If you cannot generate a certain resolution mode with the ECS Denise, then it
>is not possible with the AGA Lisa chip either.
>
>   The Lisa chip does include an on-chip scan-doubler/deinterlacer, but this
>is really only slightly improved from the external display enhancer of the
>A3000.  It now handles all 15Khz modes, including SuperHiRes.  But it is
>still not capable of deinterlacing any modes that are not 15Khz PAL/NTSC modes.
>This means that the Super72 800x600 mode is always interlaced in the AGA
>chipset (it's 24.62Khz), as is the 640x960 Productivity Interlaced mode (which
>is 31Khz).

What is the point of scan-doubling it when it is already 31Khz?
Oh, and what monitor is capable of a 62Khz refresh rate?
Shouldn't it already be flicker free at 31Khz?

What I'm a bit curious about though is the 24.62 Khz refresh rate... 
Is this good enough for a flicker free display??
I just can't remember having seen this refresh rate earlier, so could anybody
tell me if it's supported by most of the monitors out there?


Terje Marthinussen
terjem@stud.cs.uit.no
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From: Holt@cheme.washington.edu (Brad Holt)
Subject: Re: Some random thoughts on the A4000
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Chemical Engineering, U Washington
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:58:08 GMT

> >
> >Well, with still only 2MB of CHIP RAM, most people are still gonna be 
> >running their WB in 4-color mode. I know that, with 1 meg, every time I 
> >need to open two other 640x400 screens, I have to smack the WB around a 
> >little - lower res, less colors, etc. With only 2MB in the A4000, forget 
> >it! You open a couple of 800x600x256(color) screens, your chips are 
> >screaming, your memory banks are whimpering, and the WB title bar shows 
> >numbers smaller than your weekly paycheck.
> 
> Are you running 1.3?  I'm using a 696x480 8 color Workbench on an A3000
> and have never run out of Chip RAM except for the time that I tried to
> by running multiple copies of DPaint.  An 800x600 256 color screen would
> use 480000 bytes, two would use 960000 bytes.  More than a megabyte of
> Chip RAM remains free for other uses.  And so what if the free memory
> is low, why have it if you are not going to use it?
> 
> I'd like to know why 2M is considered to be deficient on the A4000, yet
> the Mac Quadras only offer 2M VRAM and most SVGA boards for the PC do
> not have more than 1M VRAM.  How in the world do the users of those
> machines manage on such a paltry amount of memory for the display?
> 
> >>Colin Adams     Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
> >>   "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
> 
   For one reason the Mac's and PC are using VRAM only for video, not for 
sound and even for programs.
   While we are on the topic, why in the world is there only 16Mb available
of fast ram??  This is supposed to be the top of the market machine!
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: SCSI Vs. IDE?
Keywords: SCSI IDE
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:19:32 GMT

In article <copes.715597537@pride> copes@pride.cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>
>Do you REALLY think C= is going to throw away a blisteringly fast SCSI 
>controller in favour of an IDE one?  Especially when it consists of only 2 
>chips, one of which they make themselves?  In favour of a completely new one,
>which they would have to design from scratch?

   Yes.

>copes@cs.curtin.edu.au

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: A4000 Image
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 02:17:59 GMT


   If you have an image of the A4000, not a bogus fabrication, please post it
to wuarchive.wustl.edu, and let us know. Thanks. 

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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:49:14 GMT
Organization: James Cook University

In article <tony.715994871@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>
>>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>>
>>>In summary: most PC games are terrible, the computer is awful, they do have a
>>>large market and a lot of stuff is available for what is a terrible piece
>>>of junk ...
>
>>Hmmm...  No wonder people see Amiga buffs as an annoying bunch of ignorant
>>fanatics.  John Dvorak was right.
>
>Jerry, you're such a moron sometimes.

Really?  Read the above lines quoted from Philip's article.  He
made some incredible generalizations.

>Tony Poole                       tony@umcc.ais.org * tony@irie.ais.org 

-- 
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  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:23:01 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <3738@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>   True, there are plenty of sources of drives, all of them more expensive
> than IDE drives of equivalent storage and quality.

Go look in Computer Shopper. The good quality drives made by good manufacturers
(no, Seagate doesn't qualify) are almost all the same price (within a few
percent) IDE or SCSI. And the really big drives aren't available in IDE at all.

> The other, non-HD devices are not needed by average users.

Average users don't buy Amiga 4000s. Tapes are NOT optional on a $4000
computer.

> And, that's my point, if you need them, you
> can get a SCSI controller of your choosing instead of having to use a 
> Commodore supplied, and possibly less sophisticated implementation of one.

Commdore's SCSI is pretty good. It's certainly in line with the good quality
PC implemantations, and better than most Macs.

>   No doubt that they can control them or that people *might* need them
> eventually, but try to look at it from the average users point of view, not
> that of a power user which are the minority, not the majority.

Not among people buying Amiga 4000s.

>   I really think that IDE is a non-issue among average users.

Among "average users" the big issues are:

	Is it PC compatible?
	Can I get a lot of pirate software for it?
	Does it run <insert critical application here>.

EVERYTHING that makes the Amiga worth buying requires more than a basic level
of sophistication.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:19:10 GMT

In article <65412@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>>
>>This is my ovservation, based upon 2 months of owning my PC clone...  Word
>>for windows, which is bundled WITH windows, is functionally identical to
>>ProWrite 3.2 with the following differences:
>>
>>1.	ProWrite has a spell checker and thesaurus.
>>2.	ProWrite supports multicolumns
>>
>>That's IT.
>>
>>
>>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)

[Ramblings how Write under Windows, the free WP, doesn't have a word counter]
>
>At any rate if you and I are talking bout the same Word Processor,
>the one that comes "free" with Windows, check yours and tell me
>if it has a word count feature. 
>
>Harv

That is what is supposed to prompt you to go out and buy a real Windows WP
that costs a lot. And probably has WAY more features than any single
person could ever use!! :)

-- 
Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
" BERLIN WALL FALLS.  3 BORDER GUARDS LOSE JOBS.  CLINTON BLAMES BUSH! "
        -George Bush, '92 Republican nomination acceptance speech
From: skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:18:29 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Sep15.143414.2313@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>>	Somebody mentions that yes, HAM is the only way to get more than
>>>256 colors simultaneously with AGA but it is available on all resolutions.
>>>But my point was that HAM just isn't useful for much besides looking at
>>>still pictures.  For example; can Workbench run in HAM mode?
>>
>>   I think certain companies that have made HAM applications and HAM games
>>would disagree with you. (ie: Sculpt-3D and other applications, DigiPaint and
>>other HAM paint programs, and Pioneer Plague and other HAM games).
>>Even Deluxe Paint 4.0+ supports HAM. It's used a lot.
>
>How many games out there use HAM mode?  I know of Pioneer Plague and
>Links.  Are there that many more?

I'm not much of a game player (due to my horrible skills more than anything
else :-) and can't answer your question.  But I would like to know why do 
you care if there are any games that use HAM mode?  You have stated that
you have a nice PC and that you prefer the games on it to those that you
have seen on the Amiga, so why should games on the Amiga concern you?  The
PC is now the premiere games machine and will be for some time, with only
the consoles offering any real competition.  Please don't consider this a
jab at the PC, I program PCs for a living and find many of the games on
the PC truly incredible given what the programmers have to work with.

That being said, I for one do not mind at all if the Amiga is no longer
seen as the best games machine.  That image has done nothing but hurt
the Amiga and there are still many people who think "toy" when the word
Commodore is mentioned.  If that title is inherited by something such
as a SNES or Genesis that rightly deserves it, it will be all the better.

>							G.Greene

>>Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY'S TRUE DANGER REVEALED!
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 92 01:46:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <jbickers.0f5a@templar.actrix.gen.nz>

>Seems to me from that article that he is actually in the humor
> phase.

...and the ALL-SEEING SYNTHETIC MAIDEN has imparted that starnine is
actually an approved substance of the GROTTO PARADISE.
	
So all you nay sayers and banty boppers stay home and snip your ties
in two, because you're no match for the KEEPER OF THE SUBSTANCE.
	
-Gleeep
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Icon default tool paths (was Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.)
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:36:51 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Sep7.214141.27642@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>: 	Unfortunately, when the user drags the icon onto DH1:, and his/her
>: system disk is DH0:, this fails too.
>
>I don't know why they just don't set things up to use the standard
>path.  And the applicaton should be writing its files with the tool's
>path set to the app itself...
>
>It's not really that hard, is it?

	Unfortunately, I think it *is* that hard if you want 100%
friendly and reliable operation.

	FACT:	If you use a full path name, then the user might get
		those annoying requesters.  And you might not have the
		right path name anyway, if the user has moved things
		around, relying instead on the search path.

	FACT:	If you use a relative pathname, then the program breaks
		if the icon is moved to another volume.

	FACT:	If you use no pathname, just the name of the program,
		then it breaks under 1.3.  (Also fails if the program
		is not in the user's search path, but I don't consider
		this a bug that the application can prevent.)

So if you want reliable operation, you either have to ignore your 1.3
users or use fully qualified pathnames.

	I think. :-)

                                                        Dan

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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Some random thoughts on the A4000
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:21:28 GMT

In article <bmccnnll.716510091@unix1.tcd.ie> bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell) writes:
>- Icons. Please, please, please, please Commodore, colour in all your icons,
>so we can have really sexy-looking desktops if we choose to run in 16 or 256
>colour mode. I had to colour in all the 2.04 ones myself, and I don't want to
>have to do it all over again for 3.0.

Unfortunately the last I saw, 3.0 was still using 4 colour icons.  This
is a common request though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see this
change.

>- KS/WB3.0. Well, it needs background copying/deleting (I hate having
>Workbench tied up when copying large files to floppy), and some kind of
>memory protection. I'm sure with an '040, the speed decrease involved would
>not really be noticeable. Since this has been thrashed out endlessly here,
>I'll say no more about it: only that I hate having to constantly reboot the
>machine when I make mistakes while programming.

WB/KS 3.0 still has to wait when copying files to floppy and there is
no memory protection.

>Barry.
>bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie

-- 
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  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Marv Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA Compatable A3000 - Why Not?  Isn't it possible.
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:25:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Distribution: world
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:11:18 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Fri  4 Sep 92  6:15, Devasoft@cup.portal.com (david Mich
wrote:

>2.3 MEGS and a top of the line machine to emulate what is done on the
>bottom of the line Amiga in under 90K of tight-coding?? I nearly fell of
my
>chair laughing at that...

 DM>   *SIGH*

 DM> My first post about the UNREAL demo was in response to someone that 
 DM> believed that these kinds of demos (Euro type) were not available on
 DM> the 
 DM> PC.  They are available, and they are impressive.  The fact that they

Ok, ok, ok... get to the point...

 DM>  
 DM> may be large or small or have to run on a slow or fast machine owned 
 DM> by a rich or poor, young or old man, woman or dog really has no
 DM> bearing on the information I was trying to convey at the time. 

That's it? You had no point? 

OHhhh.... I get it. You are the centre of the universe, so of COURSE my
post was directly related to "the information you were trying to convey at
the time." 

What a Melvin.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:43:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.210347.19877@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>Microprose, a rather favorite game maker of mine, is coming out/will
>>come out with their OWN RPG.  It will be an 'angled-overhead' view,
>>sorta like Zaxxon was.  The review I saw in a magazine was favorable,
>
>	I hope you're not talking about Darklands, Dan.  I had the game for
>   1 day and took it back.  The graphics are OK at best. It does have an
>   angled-overhead view by the way.  I wasn't all that impressed with it, 
>   especially considering it took over 17 meg of HD space.  Ultima Underworld
>   took only 13 meg and was WAY, WAY better IMHO.
>
>							G.Greene
>

The one that takes place in medieval Germany?

Yikes, thanks for telling me.  maybe they should stick to sims and Sid Meir.

>
>>Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
>>" BERLIN WALL FALLS.  3 BORDER GUARDS LOSE JOBS.  CLINTON BLAMES BUSH! "
>>        -George Bush, '92 Republican nomination acceptance speech


--
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" BERLIN WALL FALLS.  3 BORDER GUARDS LOSE JOBS.  CLINTON BLAMES BUSH! "
        -George Bush, '92 Republican nomination acceptance speech
From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:21:09 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

>but they don't advertise it.

That's not the point - the point is that they will make a bigger impact on
the music industry - especially the amatuer muscian.


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Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:51:33 -0600
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Sep5.225517.12947@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep05.031953.27917@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>
>>If one does not like interlace flicker on their Amiga then they can
>>get hardware to fix it. It's cheap and you can fix ANY amiga to solve the
>>interlaced video flicker "problem".
>
>   Not in the SuperHiRes or Productivity interlaced mode on the ECS, and not
>on the Productivity or Super72 interlaced modes on AA.

    Productivity mode is a non-interlaced mode by nature.

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:16:21 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>
>>I use Windows and Unix.
>
>Windows does not get around the 640k barrier.
>

Yes, it does.  Please get informed, Philip.  Maybe that way you won't post
any more lies.

>
>As far as Windows goes, let's just stick to one nice program. It can open
>up several 640k sessions, but I don't see it breaking the 640k barrrier
>unless you count its use of virtual memory.
>

Windows applications run in protected mode, where the 640K limit does not
apply.  A Windows application's code and/or data may be larger than 640K.

>
>Philip McDunnough
>
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From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:59:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.070214.21249@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) wrote:
>of the workstations mentioned have an actively supported version of 
>Word Perfect 5.0 available for them, and the Amiga does not; and this is in
>spite of the fact that woprkstations as a rule have a lesser need for 
>productivity software than a home computer like the Amiga.  All of these 

Reality check: how many home users actually need WP 5.0? Or could afford it?
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