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From: lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:26:05 GMT


In article <revillot-050193090709@mm-mac19.mse.uiuc.edu> revillot@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judy Tolliver) writes:

>Do the writers hate environmentalists and feminists?  I found last night's
>episode to be insulting.  It did not come across to me as tongue in cheek
>or ironic at all.  (What am I going to do with the Northern Exposure
>teeshirt I got for Christmas?)
>
>--Judy Tolliver

Yeah, and I bought one for _myself_! :-)

I don't know what to make of this episode, either.  I don't know if I
found it "insulting" exactly, but certainly disjointed and without
a lot of meaning, or feeling.  The whole Ed the Environmentalist thread
was incredibly preachy; I kept thinking while watching, "Can't wait
to see what the net says about this one!".  I had the same reaction
(anticipating net.comments) to the Brad thread -- I don't want to
see kids on NX, and I especially didn't want to see this kid.

The women's history thread bothered me less, though Maggie did a
certain amount of preaching herself.  I _did_ like the last scene --
the women's ceremony and the lovely music on the soundtrack.  _That_
felt like NX to me.  The rest of the episode...I really can't figure
out what they were trying to say.  Knowing the title helps a little
(the TV Guide here doesn't list them -- I must depend on alt.tv.nx)
-- the environmental stuff fits, and one can shoehorn the women's
history thread in if one tries.  No clue where the kid fits.  And
none of it seemed to weave together the way the best episodes (like
"Wake-up Call" for instance) do.  This one seemed like three partial
story ideas, semi-developed and tacked together.  Pretty disappointing, 
especially after the two delightful reruns during the holidays.

Can anyone come up with a rationale for this episode??  It's making
the episodes from earlier in this season look a lot better than they
did at first. :-)

Linda Smith
lksmith@truth.mitre.org
From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Was it 849?
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:26:21 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Mark wrote to the effect that some feminists find Freud to be sexist.

Add homophobic to the list.. (sexist is hitting the nail on the head, btw!)
 <smile!> 

(don't get me started on Freud..)

-- 
;^) -Karin
keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: pwjarman@cc.utah.edu (PARRY W. JARMAN)
Subject: Why I Liked Survival of the Species
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  5 Jan 1993 10:51 MST  

I debated whether or not to get in the this discussion, but
since no one out in NetLand seems to like this show, I thought
I would throw in a different POV.

1) I like the illumination of Maggie's character. The dream
is a proverbial Rosetta Stone to understanding Maggie's
hang-ups. Maggie masquerades as a "macho" woman <the hair, the
plane, the sports etc> but it is an image thing--I think that
is why "empowerment" is an issue for her. She acts like she's
tough, but she isn't--I think she genuinely asserted herself
--empowerment is a pop-culture buzz word for "taking charge
of your life."  Her fight with Joel, IMHO, showed her insecurities
clearly and was a prime example of why she is dysfunctional with
men. I thought Joel genuinely attempted to understand and reach
her and she pushed him away with feminist platitudes--Doesn't
look like she is up for the goodie basket yet...:)

2) The last scene alone made the show worth watching. The juxta-
position of the men with the women showed the differences between
the genders without all the Freudian mumbo-jumbo.

3) Come on, people. Maurice is a BIGOT. He always has been.

4) I liked Mike better with Ed.

5) Though the kid was a "type", I thought his discussion with
Chris and his interaction with Shelley provided some interesting
material to think about.

6) The Dream. Good psychoanalytical meat, you psych & English majors :)

The themes were there--and though the stories were appeared unrelated,
they were on a fundamental level--the perpetuation of the species--
the human continum and our role here on this planet--

Just some thoughts...HCJ

BTW, I didn't like the political undertones of enviornmentalism
or of feminism--some of Ed's propaganda sounded suspiciously
like pseudo science, but I took it with a grain of salt and
thoroughly enjoyed the show....
I mean really, I think the worst show ever was Heros--or "Chris
flings a casket"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: 6011_5522@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Maggie's trench
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:19:15 GMT

	What was Maggie doing anyways.  To be puting pipeing in the ground 
for her garden is ok but this trench was big enough for her to sit in. 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Re: January 4th Episode
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:08:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

In article <rizzoe.616.726244287@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>First, I understand now why there are no children in Cecily -- the writers
>simply can't deal with them.  Brad was a paradoy of of a sitcom stereotype
>of an obnoxious kid; there was nothing remotely real about him.  Twelve is 
>a difficult age, somewhere between child and adult with a good chunk of 
>each mixed in, but Brad came across as a smart-talking midget.  

AGREED!  I hope they don't try again.  The baby episode last season was good,
but that was because it dealt w/ people's reaction to the kid.

On Maggie's empowerment, i understand your point.  I disagree w/ the idea that
it wasn't well done.  I can point to myself and several other women as examples.
Quite often i don't realize, any more than the men involved do, how much we
are conforming to society's roles and their consequences.  Once realized, i
usually become quite angry.  I wish i could get away w/ saying things that
Maggie said last night, but in real life men discard reactions like hers as
PMS and never think about the issue any more.  It was realistic, to me, and for
once i saw a woman be successful in her frustration.  Thoroughly delightful.

>Finally, I was troubled by the fact that Maurice made an anti-gay comment
>to Maggie and went unchallenged.
Good point, i hadn't thought of this.  But in hindsight, the writers put the
gay men w/ the other men at the end.  The gay men had just as much trouble
understanding what the women were doing as the straight men.  Talk about
blasting stereotypes!  It gave them more manhood than Maurice would grant them.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: 1/4 episode: YUCK
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:16:20 GMT

lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy) writes:
>And how about that scene with
>Marilyn and Ruth Ann where they were looking at the unearthed womens
>artifacts.  Ruth Ann comments on the bond between modern and ancient
>women because they do the same things: cooking, sewing and bearing
>children and Maggie had this "but I don't do any of those things"
>expression on her face.

She doesn't do any of those things yet Maurice *still* assumed she'd
only be interested in the women's artifacts.  Women she had little
in common with.  Ruth-Anne had idly tried to justify Maurice's assumption
of Maggie's interests, but came up empty.  They were all realizing, just
as Joel came out, that Maurice would have made the same assumption about
any of their interests regardless of their real personalities.  Joel's
coming out to tell Marilyn to get a file (and then interpreting their
looking at him without moving as their being somehow domineering),
happened to coincide with all three of them wondering just how much
any man assumes about any woman's interests.

Well, that was my take on the scene anyway.

--
--Suzanne Morine          smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
--"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil.  If
--they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men,
--the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui."     Helen Keller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Going to Extremes
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76F3AA87D0500F0@naranja-pc-175.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 13:16:24 GMT
Organization: CaveMakers, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:16:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.064223.19282@hubcap.clemson.edu> Joe Chung,
jchung@hubcap.clemson.edu writes:
>Sorry for the non-"Northern Exposure" show but I just had to ask:
>
>1) What do you think of this show, produced by the same folks that
>produce "Northern Exposure"?

The show started out strong, then went completely in the dumper, but then
there were two very strong episodes back to back... the christmas episode
was pretty good, also.  But I have officially stopped taping the show
because overall, I don't care much for it, and with the shows REALLY low
rating following 'Rosanne' and the 'Jackie Thomas Show,' it has been
moved to Wednesday and will be canceled (unless Brand/Falsey have some
special deal we don't know about).

>2) Who plays Kathleen on "Going to Extremes"?  She is gorgeous!  :^)

I believe her name is Joanna Going and she sure is easy on the eyes.
From: randy_f@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.tv.infomercials
Subject: Looking for Big Green Clean Machine
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:25:36 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

Hi, I have seen the infomercial for the Bissel Big Green Clean Machine
hosted by Mary Ellen (of "Household Tips from Mary Ellen" fame).
At the time I was not interested in ordering, but I am interested 
now.  Unfortunately, I do not have a television at the moment....
I would appreciate very much if some kind soul would take down the
information the next time they see this infomercial and post or email
the details to me.  Specifically, I would like to know where/how to 
order (the 800 number is enough), and the price.

Thanks very much,
Randy Freeman
Newsgroups: alt.tv.infomercials
From: zotman@world.std.com (Bruce E Shellenbaum)
Subject: Re: Looking for Big Green Clean Machine
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:00:30 GMT

>Just as an FYI,

>A carpet dealer told me you should NEVER use water to clean a carpet.  This 
>is because the water will work into the glue holding the fibers in place 
>and within 6 mos after water cleaning, you will have a "path" carved in the 
>high traffic areas and eventually the carpet will fall apart completely.

>He said the BEST way to clean a carpet is to have it "dry-cleaned" (don't 
>ask me how they do it).

>I'm not a carpet-guy, but his reasoning SEEMS to make sense...

>FYI

>-----------------
>Please reply to  xxmartn@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
>-----------------
I've had lots of carpet 'soaked' by rainwater and the glue does 
not dissolve in water. Dry cleaning uses 'perc' which is a
fairly toxic petroleum product, not something you'd want 
evaporating into your household air.

Most carpet cleaners I've used(people I've paid to clean my carpets)
have used steam or water based fluids. No damage occurred.


Newsgroups: alt.tv.infomercials
From: xxmartn@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Re: Looking for Big Green Clean Machine
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  4 Jan 1993 14:04 EST  

In article <1993Jan3.202537.4741@verifone.com>, randy_f@verifone.com writes...
>Hi, I have seen the infomercial for the Bissel Big Green Clean Machine
>hosted by Mary Ellen (of "Household Tips from Mary Ellen" fame).
>At the time I was not interested in ordering, but I am interested 
>now.  Unfortunately, I do not have a television at the moment....
>I would appreciate very much if some kind soul would take down the
>information the next time they see this infomercial and post or email
>the details to me.  Specifically, I would like to know where/how to 
>order (the 800 number is enough), and the price.
> 
>Thanks very much,
>Randy Freeman


Just as an FYI,

A carpet dealer told me you should NEVER use water to clean a carpet.  This 
is because the water will work into the glue holding the fibers in place 
and within 6 mos after water cleaning, you will have a "path" carved in the 
high traffic areas and eventually the carpet will fall apart completely.

He said the BEST way to clean a carpet is to have it "dry-cleaned" (don't 
ask me how they do it).

I'm not a carpet-guy, but his reasoning SEEMS to make sense...

FYI

-----------------
Please reply to  xxmartn@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
-----------------
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
From: msteele@wam.umd.edu (Mike Steele)
Subject: Dinosaur .wav files
Followup-To: msteele@wam.umd.edu (Mike Steele)
Keywords: wave sound 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:05:40 GMT

Does anyone out have any wave sound files from _Dinosaurs_ that they could 
send me?  Or better yet, is there an FTP site where I can get some from?
Thanks in advance...
                                               --Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Dinosaur newsgroups
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:33:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.151301.9391@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> victorng@dgp.toronto.edu (Victor Ng-Thow-Hing) writes:
>I am not sure this is the right place to ask, but I am running out of
>places to try.... is there a dinosaur newsgroups that deals with the
>science of dinosaurs (mainly dinosaur paleantology or paleobiology?)
> sorry if I spelled them wrong!

Check in bionet.* newsgroups.  If you're running rn on a unix machine
you can vi your .newsrc and search (/<string>) for 'dinosaur' or even
'dino'.

> Regards,
> Victor.
> .
>-- 
>___________------------------------------------------------___________
>            Victor Ng Thow Hing (victorng@dgp.toronto.edu)
>	    Msc. Student, Dynamic Graphics Project
>	    System Administrator for DGP lab
>            Starving student and aspiring guitar player. 


--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.dinosaurs
From: victorng@dgp.toronto.edu (Victor Ng-Thow-Hing)
Subject: Dinosaur newsgroups
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:13:01 GMT

I am not sure this is the right place to ask, but I am running out of
places to try.... is there a dinosaur newsgroups that deals with the
science of dinosaurs (mainly dinosaur paleantology or paleobiology?)
 sorry if I spelled them wrong!

 Regards,
 Victor.
 .

-- 
___________------------------------------------------------___________
            Victor Ng Thow Hing (victorng@dgp.toronto.edu)
	    Msc. Student, Dynamic Graphics Project
	    System Administrator for DGP lab
            Starving student and aspiring guitar player.
From: cascio@comet.enet.dec.com (Pete Cascio)
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Subject: Maharishi Ayurveda?
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:10:46 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. Consulting Services, Colorado Springs


Hi.  This is my first time here.  Thanks, Brett, for resending the FAQ.  Quite
a book list!

I had a question about the multiple references to "Maharishi Ayurveda".  I
thought ayurveda was ayurveda.  I've recently picked up a few excellent
ayurvedic books (I'll post the list, if you like) and don't remember seeing a
mention of  a maharishi.

Reading about ayurvedic medicine has helped me in finding/avoiding foods and
herbs to keep my "vata" constitution in balance.
From: gupta@crhc.uiuc.edu (Aloke Gupta)
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Subject: TM center in, or around, Corvallis OR
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:26:46
Organization: University of Illinois Center for Reliable & High Performance
	Computing
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: dual.crhc.uiuc.edu


Could someone give me information about TM activities in or around Corvallis,
Oregon. I could not find a listing in the local phone book.

Thank you in advance

Aloke Gupta
--
Aloke Gupta                                         E-mail: gupta@crhc.uiuc.edu
Coordinated Science Laboratory                           or a-gupta@uiuc.edu
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: harts@sun006.research.ptt.nl (Paul Harts)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Please repost FAQ
Organization: PTT Research, Groningen
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:44:41 GMT

Steve, 

A FAQ is a list of Frequently Asked Questions. With your
question you prove me right (see below). 

How do you mean second generation? Who or what was the
first generation? I'm what you might call a
sceptical user (since 1985) of the technique. I mean that I
don't take for granted all the information distributed 
by the TM organisation, but have to admit that the 
technique is simple and powerful, as promised. 
Also I have had really good experiences with 
an ayur-vedic doctor, who curred me from some
simple but chronic skin problems. (Without 
any expensive medicins.)

Recently I recieved some information on courses of
about 4 months in Spain. Meditation and Management, 
the perfect politics etc. etc. I was wondering 
whether anyone can tell me more about this. Any 
people reading this who actually followed such 
program?



PS In the FAQ I saw (but didn't save) there was 
little information which you, as a pratiticioner 
would not know. The purpose of a FAQ is to avoid 
having all kinds of more or less ignorant people 
in this group asking the same questions (what is 
transcedental meditation? Is it a kind of sleep? etc.)
over and over again. 

Paul.  


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Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: doehr@magellan.den.mmc.com (Brett B. Doehr)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Please repost FAQ
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:02:11 GMT


An FAQ is a collection of Frequently Asked Questions.  Most newsgroups 
compile such a list and post it periodically, to prevent the same 
questions being posted over and over again.  Since it has been a while,
I will post below the last FAQ I had seen.


Article: 287 of alt.meditation.transcendental
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: se_dang@rcvie.co.at (Sang Dang)
Subject: Plum Village
Organization: Alcatel - Elin Research Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:17:00 GMT

Hi!

After Xmas I spent a week in Plum Village (near Bordeaur, Southern France). It
is a buddhist community leaded by the vietnamese monk THICH NHAT HANH. I was
really impressed by the Shanga (nice and interesting people from many countries).
We medidated, practiced mindfulness in everyday life, learned and discussed in
Dahrma-Talks.

So I would like to contact with those of you who also were in Plum Village to
share experience and opinion about it.
I'm looking forwards to your response.

Sang




Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alan Jay)
Subject: Re: Dial-in Internet access in London/Tokyo.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:57:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.213930.2661@amc.com> schansen@amc.com (Scott Hansen) writes:
>
>I am looking for dial-in Internet access in the London and
>Tokyo areas.  A service providing email and telnet, or just
>telnet.


The PC User Group offers such services in London.

Email me if you want further information.

Regards
Alan Jay

-- 
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Tel.     081-863 1191   Fax: 081-863 6095   Harrow HA1 4LQ, ENGLAND
Email:   alanj@ibmpcug.CO.UK                Path: ..!uunet!pipex!ibmpcug!alanj
Internet Access via the CONNECT BBS in the UK -- ibmpcug.co.uk (+Std Disclaimer)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: manes@magpie.nycenet.edu (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: MUD for TBBS?
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:23:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

ren_just (rjus@uonline.com) wrote:
: manes@magpie.nycenet.edu (Steve Manes) writes:
: : 
: : I don't believe I "crammed" Unix down anyone's throat, just made the
: : observation that you have an uninformed negative attitude towards Unix.
: 
: And another issues that highly irritates me.  Not one of you has even 
: asked exactly what I use TBBS for.  Once again, it is a case of you
: supplying a solution without even knowing what the problem is.  

I'll be happy to discuss other issues with you.  Please acknowledge however
that your challenge regarding a competitive (or better) price-out of
a multiuser Unix BBS vs. TBBS was met.  Whether or not that Unix BBS
meets with the requirements of a particular application you may have
in mind, how could anyone here say?  I've already said (at least twice)
that Unix is no more a universal BBS environment than TBBS so if you're
looking to build a straw man on me, good luck.

: Some applications that have been developed include a link between
: MicroSoft Mail and the TBBS email system via a Novell network.

I've written several mail gateways for Unix, DOS and the Mac...
even DECMAIL (choke).  Converting RFC message headers to whatever
local format is pretty simple work, especially since most mailers,
including Microsoft's, supply filters for foreign message format
import/exports.  I shouldn't have to remind you about all the
incompatible mail networks that all come together here on the
essentially Unix-based internet.

: Another
: has included TBBS linked to a DOS-based telemetry system.
: As I said, you need to Both of these
: would have been difficult to implement under UNIX.

Why would it be?  The systems I support for PBS are pure Unix and some
of them talk real-time to a satellite through VSAT terminals at quite a
bit higher throughput than your average bear telemetry system.  It
was very difficult to implement.  First, I plugged in an X.25 board.
Then I plugged that into the VSAT's black box.   Then I ran the
shell script installing the X.25 driver.  Then I went home.

: UNIX installations only comprise about 2-3% of the installed micro base.

DOS definitely has the installed base over Unix but your statement
is still misleading, skipping over the core issue once again.  DOS is
single-user; Unix is multiuser.  One DOS machine will typically support
one DOS user doing one thing.  One Unix micro may support scores of such
users doing scores (or more) different things concurrently.
-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.nycenet.edu
Manes and Associates/Commontech-NoHo		   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o

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