From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Satanism. Why it's a good idea.
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 15 Dec 92  13:05:10

Topic: Satanism: Why It's A Good Idea.
Who: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
What: <10913@vice.ico.tek.com>
With: jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus)
 
>JM> "I have been very brief in my responses, mainly because of
>JM> time constraints, and because a lot of people don't take what
>JM> I say seriously anyway. I see that this was another mistake,
>JM> and so I will get to the details of why I believe what I do
>JM> about Freemasonry, which I will write and post soon. I still
>JM> have not quite finished the article on Satanism that I promised,
>JM> and so wish to finish this first before changing topics.
 
RB> I for one won't hold my breath. You do realize that eventually
RB> we're going to call you on this promise, and that the further you
RB> delay the more credibility you lose. You're not the first
RB> christian on this group to promise the world, only to leave us
RB> hanging on unsubstantiated claims and wild rantings.
 
>JM> "This has not been a half-hearted exercise on behalf of my
>JM> friends or myself, and I have a lot of information that I
>JM> would be very interested to discuss with you.
 
RB> Half hearted? Probably not. Impassionate and impartial? Not
RB> likely. Objective? Absurd. I've read too many of your posts.
 
Though I have been waiting for James to produce evidence of his
claims, and I have asked him to retract his slanderous blood-libel
until he can produce his evidence, he has remained silent, except
for the occasional "I'm working on it."
 
Specifically, the assertion that Satanists kill people in volume,
with or without religion-based intent. And specifically, his
claim concerning a woman who's spouse wanted to sacrifice their
daughter to Satan so she fled with the daughter James' church
(instead of a police station. . . . go figure).
 
He also promissed to produce evidence that demons exist, and that
they can and do posess humans.
 
While I have found NO EVIDENCE that Satanic crime exists (in the
numbers he alludes to--- there HAVE been murders commited by
Satanists, but not nearly as many as murders by Christians), I
am more than willing to examine any evidence he my produce. I'll
give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
As a parting thought. . . . The whole issue is rather bizzare.
There is no evidence that such crimes as James alludes to have
occured, let alone that Satanists are responsible. No one can
find the bodies. The parents of the "30,000 to 50,000" children
a year that are said to be kidnapped don't tell anyone that their
children are missing (FBI reports kidnapped children by other than
non-custodial parent to be in the couple hundreds a year). When
"victims" come forward, they tell their stories in churches in
front of a paying audience, write best-sellers, and in many cases
HIDE from law enforcement when criticle invenstigators look at
the case. Said "victims" refuse to tell who the criminals are,
where said crimes took place, and times and dates of said crimes.
 
Mike Warnke is one example. I asked him face-to-face, at the Crystal
Cathedral in Orange County, where his evidence of the crimes he said
he participated in, and he held up a bible. (I was "escorted" to my
car by two thugs after the show).
 
Christian Satanism is big business. It's all a money scam.
 
RB> Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
 
Life was so simple when it was just the Russians siphoning off
our precious bodily fluids.

--- Maximus 2.00
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