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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:23:48 CDT
From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      1993 Clambake Dest. (was Dessert)
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>No mail order, as far as I know; if you come to Akron, I'll take you
>there.

Maybe Texas wasn't the best idea for the 1993 Clambake after all...

-abh
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:52:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Vainity
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> My name has been taken in vain.
>
> Seid vorsichtig.
>
> lenny

Well, *this* is an <ecce homo> if I've ever seen one!
--ggs (struck dumb in the presence of....)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:05:58 CDT
From:         Frank Peters <fwp@CC.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My Mac can do these...
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In article <2a6f282e.cursci@cursci.UUCP> Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk> says:
: On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:26:03 CDT, "Frank Peters" <fwp@CC.MSSTATE.EDU> wrote:
: > Is there some particular reason to use "stole" rather than the more
: > accurate "legally acquired the right to use"?  They no more "stole"
: > xerox interface elements than GNU "stole" unix interface elements.
:
: Yes, there is.  There's a classic statement somewhere from Steve Jobs
: where he admits he got a lot of the ideas from a visit he made once
: to Parc.

Which doesn't in any way contradict what I said.  Apple did indeed get
a LOT of user interface ideas from a research system called STAR at
Xerox.  Xerox explicitly gave permission for others to use this
research to get user interface ideas (since they weren't planning to
make commercial use of it).  Apple took a significant chance and used
this interface technology when nobody else would.  It isn't stealing to
make use of what someone else gave away.

Now Apple then contributed some of their own ideas to the user
interface and then called out the lawyers when others used those
ideas.  We can argue about the propriety of that (actually, I expect we
agree on that issue) but that has no impact at all on the ethics of
their getting original ideas from Xerox's STAR system with their
permission.

GNU got a lot of its ideas by looking around UNIX systems too.  Did
they "steal" those ideas or borrow them in a legal manner?

: > I can certainly agree with this part.  Too many people, though, use
: > their disagreement with this particular aspect of Apple as an excuse to
: > slam unfairly about other unrelated issues (like where they got
: > elements of their interface).
:
: Unrelated?  It's the same issue.  "Do as i say, not as I do..."

No it isn't.  Apple never gave others explicit permission to use their
interface elements.  Xerox did.  Whether either organization had the
right "give permission" is a totally different issue.

Apple, like a lot of companies, does some really smart things and some
really stupid things.  To use the stupid things as an excuse to slam
the smart ones seems like poor tactics.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:43:54 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Acknowldging ggs' existence
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On Thu, 30 Jul 1992, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Of course I recognize your existence, dear ggs, I expect you
> to drop the silly idea of a polluting car and put the downpayment
> on the "S.S. Words-L" so we can sail to Ireland next summer.
>
What a wonderful idea!  See, Gilbert, you'd be a public benefactor, and
we'd *all* acknowledge your existence...very gratefully!
ndh
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:21:41 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Subarus (was Re: WHTMIT)
              29 Jul 1992 15:01:04 LCL from <haycock@MARLEY.THINK.COM>

Subarus remind me of the Dr. Demento Show:  He had a character whose
name was Damascus on his show, and Damascus' favorite song was "Making
Love in a Subaru."

Evelyn
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:05:18 CDT
From:         Joan K West <jkw1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMITi
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              29, 92 4:10 pm

Hello.  I'm here.  Wherer are you???
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:42:46 CDT
From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Gopher
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>not too efficient.  So any search on the entire database is going to be
>slow and will probably generate a lot of false hits unless you have a
>truely unique word to search for.

Frank,

Sounds like you have some very rational, non-paranoid reasons for keeping the
archive off the net. I say you stick the tape in the back of a file cabinet or
use it as a doorstop.

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:26:48 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject: Re: Manuals
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              92 10:10 am

> Why do people always assume that lack of manual = bootlegged copies?

	Because it usually does.


Czarina
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From: maya@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Cure For High Blood Pressure?
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:17:02 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>was which of the following (which I won't list) is true about nudists?  The
>answer was, nudists as a group have lower blood pressure than non's - 7 %
>vs 17 %.  So which of my two conclusions are accurate?:
>
>a.  becoming a nudist will tend to lower your blood pressure

	Or, lowering your blood pressure encourages your clothes
	to fall off. 

>b.  people with high blood pressure tend not to become nudists.

	"Don't put those clothes on!  You know that makes you tense!"

	
	Evidence for the hypotheses:
	
	(i)	Sleepy people (whose blood pressure is dropping) often
		get undressed for bed.
	(ii)	Bernardykins.

	Evidence against the hypotheses:

	(i)	People who fall asleep at concerts, though dressed in
		full formal regalia.
	(ii)	People in whom post coital lasscitude signals a
		"Get dressed" response.

If I could ask a completely unrelated question, a specific reference
question:  Is there a name for the action of a word taking on it's opposite
meaning, as in "bad" meaning "very good"?  Recently I heard an argument 
described as "loopy" meaning it was "very direct and to the point". 
It's not sarcasm of any kind; the word has sincerely taken on the
opposite meaning.

>				Peace,
>                                  Don

and again, peace,
	maya (with finals to grade before i sleep)


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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:27:00 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
              30 Jul 1992 13:38:22 CDT from <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>

Poor Bernard!
  Natalie still loves you.  It's just that people have bad days and
forget about the most important parts of their lives.  They're too
busy concentrating on the parts that really have little significance.
Try to be a little patient with her.  She's only human

Muffy and Siegi
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Subject: Re: I feel so CHEAP
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:41:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Physics Department

In article <WORDS-L%92072407403137@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM writes:
|> >
|> >I just found out that the "Tushar" I was flirting with on the chat
|> >tonight was an IMPOSTER. I need a shower.
|> >
|> >-abh
|> 
|> But imagine if you'd been flirting with him in the shower....
|> 
|> Ken

<YECCHHHH>
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 09:40:56 EDT
From:         kieran2101@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: dreary weekend
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>It just occurred to me that we could be communicating on usenet >even with
UGA down.  The problem is that messages like this will >pile up and go to the
list later.  Maybe it's not so good an >idea after all...

Well, that certainly seems to be what's happening on this end of things...

--Aaron
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:53:34 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: aggravation
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              29 Jul 1992 01:38:58 MED from <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:38:58 MED Graham Toal said:
>Dan, why does the librtary want to know where the reader managed to find a book
>for the library to fetch by ILL?  Isn't it enough just to go fetch the book?
>
>genuinely curious.
>
   Think some of this may have been garbled.  What I was trying to say is
that the library wants to know the source of the citation.  Did you find
it in Chem Abstracts, 1992, page A456, or citation such and such from an
online search of the ABC database, or whatever.  This is not to be troublesome,
but to save trouble in the long run.

   First, it keeps people from giving totally off the wall citations to
what they 'think' the title or date or journal might have been. This is
a REAL problem.  People always say stuff like "yeah,it was in XYZ back in
89".   Well, if they say that, it was probably in ABC, or XYY, but in 84.
People always (well, almost) remember citations or readings as being about
half as far back as they REALLY are, whether in months or years.  Strange.

   Second, lots of folks can't copy or transcribe (or type or write)
worth a shit.  First thing we check on accepting an ILL is "can I read this
and decipher his scrawl"?  Second, is this a journal or book we already
have.  Although they sign they have checked our own journals list,
catalog, etc, about 40% of all ILL requests are already IN THE Library.
THIS ONE!   (no, this is not a condemnation of BSU folk, same thing
happens everywhere)

   But if all looks reasonable and we accept it, it is still a ten to
twenty percent chance that something is wrong with the cite, whether
in author's name, date, etc.  People are just plain sloppy.
If we have a source, we can usually go back to the original journal
or index or database and get it right and THEN request it.  Otherwise
we have to bounce it to the patron and say "Huh?"

   Probably more than you ever wanted to know about behavior of library
patrons, but......you asked....   8-)

dan
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:24:52 CDT
From:         Price Caldwell <tpc1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WHTMIT
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$15,000 to spend on a car?  I'll echo most of Chris's sentiments.  I have
a '90 Nissan 240 SX, and love it.   Very solid car; its engine is a little
buzzy at high rpm but it loves to run and it handles great and I think it
will be a classic in 20 years stylewise.

I also have an 87 Taurus 4-banger, which I don't love.  It hasn't been BAD;
have gotten stranded by a dead fuel pump, a dead starter in 70,000 miles.
But my wheels are out of true, my steering wheel squeaks for god's sake,
and it just isn't fun to drive.  If you buy one, DO ROTATE THE TIRES EVERY
8000 MILES.  Mine rides on square wheels, because I didn't.

Chris' other recommendations are good: consider the Accord, also the new
Toyota Camry, which looks great, and you oughta be able to get a 4-cylinder
for 15,000.   I think the new Mazda 626 looks good, but don't know anything
about it.

If you want to go Ford, how about a Thunderbird?

--Price
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:22:20 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (54)

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:21:00 JST Akio Tanaka said:

> 4) Speedw-eh? (Tony H.)

Some Americans believe that Canadians end every statement with the
particle "-eh?".  There is some truth to this - Canadians tend to
use eh where Americans use huh - sort of a short form for "isn't it?".
But over all I doubt that Canadians use eh any more than Americans use huh.

Anyw-eh, my poor pun above followed a comment about putting the A
on Peyton to make the place name Peytona possibly having been done
by a Canadian.  I expect Peytona is pronounced
to rhyme with Daytona - a place with a famous (car) racing track called
the Daytona Speedway.

Tony H.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:12:49 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (53)
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> We were interested to realize, when my husband was on staff at Auburn
> University, that the jokes people told in Alabama as "Auburn jokes" were
> the same ones told in Texas as "Aggie jokes."

They're also Ole Miss - MSU jokes.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject: Re: Girl Scouts

*** Resending note of 07/30/92 23:46

>--ggs (Follow the eagle, follow the eagle.......)
>p.s.: Isn't that sad.

Yes.

Don, who never got passed Cub Scout, but indeed did follow the beat of a
different drummer.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:03:01 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: hi
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              29 Jul 1992 17:16:10 EDT from <tucker@MOENG2.MINC.UMD.EDU>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:16:10 EDT Prudence Tucker said:
>hi guys

Pru-baby may have established a new world record for sticking a babytoe
in the wordsler waters.  At least its hard to get flamed for such a
timid first post.....except for being flamed for being so timid???

dan in potatoland
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:50:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Swedish crayfish
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>>     16 lb live, purged crayfish             2 tbsp salt
>>                 ^^^^^^
>>Pray tell, how does one make a crayfish purge?
>>
>>//an inquiring mind//
>Stick your finger down its throat.

Or give it Ex-Lax.

Ken
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:51:29 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Which large or unabrdg dictionary ...
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>
> I'd rather be sick than take Kaopectate: plain "oxidized apple" was always
> a treat, though -- you cut up an apple pretty fine, and let it get borwn in
> the air -- that's the 'pectate' part, anyhow, and tastes a *who* lot
> better.
> --bayla

I'm glad to know about that...sounds *much* better than (ugh) Kaopectate!
ndh
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:12:14 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: So long, it's been good to know you
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People keep sending list messages to Bill without adding a cc to his
address.  That means he's not seeing them -- unless he's reading them on
usenet or in the archives -- which seems unlikely since I assume he
unsubbed in order to spend time getting ready for his departure.  He
unsubbed at the same time he sent his goodbye message.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:59:33 CDT
From:         Price Caldwell <tpc1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reading manuals
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Tony: do you know the author of the IBM System/370 Principles of Operation
that you admire so much, and have you written him/her to express this
admiration?   She/he would probably love to hear what you just said.

--Price
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:40:50 CDT
From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIT
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>molded plastic dashboard.  Somebody tell me what kind of $15000
>car to buy, o.k.?   My mama wouldn't want me to waste her/my
>money on anything frivolous.

Easy one: buy the Honda Del Sol when it comes out. Or a Miata now. Either way,
your life will instantly become more <interesting>.

-abh
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:01:36 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: You said a mouthful
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> > > she went to see baby Joseph - about 6 hours ago!
> >
> > Don, surely you're not expecting her back already...six hours is *not*
> > long enough!
> > ndh
> Nancy...grandchildren are wonderful, I'm sure, even if I did keep the
> water boiling for a month....however, sons coming home after two years in
> Japan with US Air Force Intellegence (I don't know if that is spelled
> right...it looks wrong) is even better. Rob comes home Aug. 26..I won't be
> going to school that day...Melicent

That's wonderful...I'm glad for you!  And I certainly wouldn't go to
school either!
ndh
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:29:24 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Mud/Irc
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> The real reason why MUDs are harder to comprehend is that there is
> something to comprehend there. On IRC, if you can type you can already
> do a lot of things.

I disagree--I found it enormously difficult to merely talk, and that's
the maximum of what I have been able to accomplish.

> Arcane commands are for those who get a thrill out of them. Seriously
> studying the arcane commands IS akin to figuring out a MUD world. But
> on IRC it's not necessary to know arcane commands to get anywhere.

Okay.  But on MUDs you can manipulate the universe (pick things up,
drop them, describe your appearance, etc. ) without using other than
a colon for self-reference and the appropriate English word.  I couldn't
figure out how to do any of this stuff on IRC.

> I am not saying that IRC is somehow something non-trivial, by the way.
> tushar
                                                                        ==
But that's just my point!  MUDs *are* trivially easy to maneuver around.
My favorite is AfterFive (are you listening, Tony?:) ) which replicates
the French Quarter.

Karen
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 11:35:00 CDT
From:         Bill Sjostrom <TA0WXS1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Urgent and desperate questions
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An issue of crushing and overwhelming importance.  Is bowling unknown
outside of the U.S.?  Do I have to leave my bowling ball behind when
I go?  Even more important, do I have to leave my pool cue behind?
This is important.  These are my main forms of keeping sane, except
for maybe picking on the liberals on Words-L.
                              Bill Sjostrom
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Subject:      Re: Vainity

*** Resending note of 07/27/92 20:22


>And trembling silence suddenly overtakes the list...
--
>   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)


Arrrrffffffff!!!!!   Whatever ever happened to that ridiculous qunicy?


        /\_____/\
       -/ ''''' \-
        {''o o''}   Muffy, who never beat up a cat he didn't like!
        {  \^/  }
       ////'''\\\\
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:01:14 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Singulars and plurals
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> On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:45:53 EDT Karen Kay said:
> >before Tony pc-flames me, Inuit!!!  Which is a plural--5 points
> >(good for special personal prizes!!!!) for the singular.:) )
> Gentle Karen,
>   Innuk.  Easy 5 pointer.  Looking forward to personal prize.
> Peace,
> Elwood P.

Well, I can't give full credit for this one, but I should give
partial credit, I guess.  I've always seen 'Inuk' w/ one n.
Are you willing to risk your special personal prize to the
vagaries of the UCSB mail system??

Karen
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:25:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: Goodwill
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>Gilbert,
>  I love Goodwill, too.

     Well, I think Goodwill is a gigantor ripoff (at least the one in
     Seattle).  We went shopping there for Halloween costumes, and
     everything was priced like it was Nordstrom's and not a bunch of
     people's mildewy seventies junk!  Like there was this very
     attractive Mexican velour sombrero, but they wanted *35 bucks*
     for it!  Plus the people working there all had sweater chains and
     supercilious attitudes.  Then we went to St. Vincent de Paul,
     where they had the Very Same Sombrero for $5.  I snagged it,
     beating out a muscular transvestite, and left happy and laden
     with treasures.

     P.S.  I was a garage sale for Halloween.  I clanked slightly when
     I danced, but I practically paid for my new sombrero by selling
     off parts of my costume at the party!  This idea is not
     copyrighted!

     Carol, feeling a little giddy after a morning of project
     management
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:33:09 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Quote

Every once in a while I like to stick my head out the window and smile
for a satellite picture.
                          - Steven Wright
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:29:24 CDT
From:         Smells Like Teen Ambergris <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RTFM---NOT!!!!!
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>ding ding ding, we have a winnah!  10 points to the lovely lady in
>teal.

Scarey...I *am* wearing the Words-L shirt now....I didn't do anything to
indicate this.

-abh
Are you a Vulcan
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