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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:36:20 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <930108.154435.9K6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) writes:
>>                                                                   And how
>> do I get a piled-up trolley-load of vegetables from Sainsbury's to my home?
> 
> Personally, I use my two lower limbs.  That's because I go to a small local
> supermarket.  What, you say, there isn't a small local supermarket near you?
> Well, that's the fault of car culture.  Small supermarkets are closing and
> being replaced by big out-of-town supermarkets, because people want to park. 
> This means that more and more people *need* to drive to get to a supermarket. 
> This means that more and more people need to park when they get there, which
> means the supermarkets have to have more parking spaces, which means they
> need to be even further out of town, ...

No I think Andy Walker's problem is that he needs to buy a trolley full of
shopping, not two bags full, He has stated in previous posts that he has at
least one wife and at least two children (I think), hence two shopping bags
is not enough to carry all his shopping home.

Unfortunately Mathew, you are not a good example of an average famaily, neither
am I. Andy Walker probably is.
-- 
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"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
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From: jrg@doc.ic.ac.uk (James Grinter)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: New teletext franchise
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:53:50 GMT
Organization: Dept. Of Computing, Imperial College of STM, UoL, UK
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In-reply-to: dominic@natcorp.ox.ac.uk's message of 11 Jan 93 14:19:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.141912.8063@onionsnatcorp.ox.ac.uk> dominic@natcorp.ox.ac.uk (Dominic Dunlop) writes:

   The service providers?  Well, I'm deeply suspicious of anything which
   has anything to do with Associated Newspapers, but have yet to see
   anything which particularly justifies this view.

Ah! Now I'm puzzled/ confused. Is the particular franchise member
Associated Newspapers (they who do the Evening Standard, Mail on
Sunday, and Daily Mail) or is it Associated Press (who do the AP
newswire and things)?

James.
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From: sm@cel.co.uk (salim mehta)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: PDC vs. StarText (THERE IS A DIFFERENCE)
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:42:03 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Crosfield Electronics Ltd.
In-reply-to: phil@compnews.co.uk's message of 8 Jan 93 01:19:24 GMT

In article <1iikqsINNdfe@cardamom.compnews.co.uk> phil@compnews.co.uk (Phil Male) wrote:
> tjfs@tadtec.co.uk (Tim Steele) writes:
> : I have a Ferguson (JVC) video which can set itself off teletext; however, 
> : it doesn't use PDC (aka StarText?) or VideoPlus+, but an earlier system 
> : which used hidden date and time information on the guide page
> : (try pressing  REVEAL).
> : It would be nice if you could get a new EPROM for the decoder which 
> : enabled it to do PDC.  Apparently it was designed to work with PDC but 
> : the spec. was late!
> 
>
> The hidden information on the page is marketed as StarText, so your video
> does use StarText...
> 
> I'm surprised, if the software in the video can read the StarText stuff
> it is completely capable of reading the PDC codes from row 26, it has
> all the information it needs to read them. Not played with the JVC
> recorders at all, so I couldn't venture more of an opinion than that.

There *is* a difference, I used to own a Philips VR703 VCR which did the
same thing as Tim Steele's JVC ie. just pick up the time data from the TV
pages. I swapped this for a Philips VR713, which is almost identical; apart
from the F/W which now uses the PDC codes.

The Philips machines seem to have the best implementation of this, as well
as a more logical user interface. Though I haven't played with the Grundig
sets - anyone know about them?

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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Oil spills - history
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:52:10 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Ceri Hopkins (cah@cs.bham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Jim> Given the Guardian's reputation for misprints, perhaps the date was
: Jim> 1976 or 1679? :-)

: Things have improved a little, but my candidate for their worst howler
: of 1992 was in the headline of the editorial (which makes it that much
: worse), which said

: "Carrott and stick for Serbia"

Actually, the thing to look for in the Guardian now is some of the
amazing hyphenations that they (or I assum their computer) sticks in.
Its certainly not averse to hypenating one letter off the end of a wor-
d rather like that at times! Even more amusing is that the Guardian
Diary is going through a phase were it is pointing out bad hyphenations
in other papers.

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From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hi-fi TV sound?
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:23:00 GMT

Dave Quinn writes:
 > 
 > I've never heard of anything that really matches what you want. Particularly
 > the "cheap" part! Your best bet is to get a video recorder and treat it
 > as a HIFI component. Naturally, a nicam stereo machine would give the best
 > results, but even a mono recorder played back through decent speakers is
 > in a different league to the tiny tinny speaker on the tv.
 > 

NICAM MONO is also available. And I am not joking!

Gordon,
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From: kieron@root.co.uk (Kieron Drake)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Oil spills - history
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:04:30 GMT
Organization: UniSoft Ltd., London, England


[Ceri Hopkins wrote]
>Jim> Given the Guardian's reputation for misprints, perhaps the date was
>Jim> 1976 or 1679? :-)

>Things have improved a little, but my candidate for their worst howler
>of 1992 was in the headline of the editorial (which makes it that much
>worse), which said

>"Carrott and stick for Serbia"

>What on earth Jasper's going to do about the situation is anyone's
>guess...

My favourite Grauniad typo. of all time was on some anniversary of
James Joyce's birth or death, about 10 years ago. They referred to one
of his works as "Finnegan's Wank".

	kieron

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From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Drugs
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:08:27 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

simon@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Simon) writes:
>>drugs? Certainly, when compared with the problems caused by alcohol abuse,
>>the risks of crossing the road, the general appallingness of life and
>>man's inhumanity to man, it seems a little like passing the buck,
>>sweeping it under the carpet, wallowing in a sea of self-delusion and
>>other metaphores to put so much blame on a few harmless tokers. Physician
>>heal thyself!

>I think the argument would go something along the following lines:
>1) We "NEED" roads/pollution/cities etc. etc. because they are part of "life".
>2) We don't "NEED" drugs.
>What most people don't realise is that they confuse the word "NEED" for the
>phrase "HAVE NO CHOICE OVER".

Aha! Now we get down to it. We are drawing a distinction between medical
drugs that we have to take to cure something, and narcotics that are taken
for pleasure. In other words, we are guilt-tripped by socio-religious
repression into being suspicious of anything pleasurable to the extent
that we are willing to blame all the troubles of the world on it. Suckers!
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: rspence@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard Spence)
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)                  
Cc: rspence@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: rspence@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:22:00 +0000

mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

> I want to buy LaserDiscs instead of video cassettes, for the same reason I
> prefer CD over cassette.  But nobody else wants LaserDisc, so nobody makes
> them.

The latest (Jan '93) issue of CompuServe magazine carries an advert for {Ken
Crane's LaserDisc Superstore} and states that they have 100,000 titles
_currently_ in stock and sales of over 30,000 discs per month.  If this
advert is to be believed, then the LaserDisc is alive and well in the USA.
--
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rspence@cix.compulink.co.uk
CompuServe: 100112,304
From: nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Experimental convalescent bacon acne" Neilski)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: New teletext franchise
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:57:19 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

ndl@unix.brighton.ac.uk (  The Unix Guru) writes:

>What are peoples opinions on the new teletext service providers ?

>Personally, I thik it has been completley jumbled up with pages everywhere
>and the subtitles in the meridian area still do not work.

I think you've got problems in Brighton.  Here in Reading (Meridian) things
work perfectly.

>It has become very "tabloid-ish" with adult sex help pages etc, and 
>local information is now split over channel 3 + 4, where as before you
>only needed to be on channel 3.

I like it!  (Am I the only one?)  I particularly like the fun & games
section (updated on Sat & Sun!  gosh!) - Bamboozle takes ages but it's a
good idea!  What's left of 4-Tel is annoying because I can't find an index
for it.

While I'm here, let me just say that Ceefax has become a pile of crap.
Those stupid lines at the left and right of the news pages take away 4
characters => 10% of the line length!

-- neilski

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Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.usage.english
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: VIZspeak - What is frottage ?
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:49:27 GMT

In article <451@mx1> ar@mcdd1.uucp (Alastair Rae) writes:
:In article <1993Jan4.173403.710@rtf.bt.co.uk> mclo@rtf.bt.co.uk (John McLoughlin) writes:
:...
:> what is 'frottage' ?
:...
:It is the act of gaining sexual pleasure from rubbing your body
:against your partner's. I bet you feel better for knowing that!

Oh - that reminds me.  What's the word for having sex with someone's
(presumably someone *else*'s ;-) ) armpit?  [It sort of came up in
conversation last night...]  It's more specific that just general
frotteurism.

G
From: ar@mcdd1.uucp (Alastair Rae)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: VIZspeak - What is frottage ?
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:05:44 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas,Hemel Hempstead,UK



In article <1993Jan4.173403.710@rtf.bt.co.uk> mclo@rtf.bt.co.uk (John McLoughlin) writes:

...
> what is 'frottage' ?
...


It is the act of gaining sexual pleasure from rubbing your body
against your partner's. I bet you feel better for knowing that!

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; Phone (+44)(0)442 voice 272071 fax 234443
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hi-fi TV sound?
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:53:54 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1993Jan7.164637.11134@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> Is it possible to obtain, fairly cheaply, devices which pick up television
> signals and output decent stereo sound through an amp to speakers? I ask
> because although I can very happily live with a cheap small television's
> picture (it comes with the house so there's no cost above the licence) I'm now
> so used to hi-fi sound that a tinny mono speaker grates on the ears. This is
> especially noticable when I'm watching opera on the box: the voices are
> horribly distorted and the orchestra sinks into mush.

Lucky you, good reason not to watch opera :-)

Some friends in London have a stereo system built of separates, and the
video player is Nicam and fits into the system. The amp can be aware of two
video decks as well as CD, Tuner, Phono, AUX and monitor(tape). So they always
take the TV signal via the video to the TV as you usually would. Result:-

watching Eastenders is odd because Arthur and Pauline may be three feet apart 
on screen but with speaker separation they're as far apart as you're room is
wide... very odd.

We had a party before Christmas and had some old videos of 1973 Christmas
TOTP with The Sweet, Abba, Mud, Gary Glitter etc, really odd.... lots of people
dancing, but everyone wathing the TV to actually watch who they were dancing
to. Great, best quote of the evening was "I've never been to a party where they
managed to sync the tape deck to the TV!".
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Drugs
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:21:19 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

In article <1993Jan8.100615.5420@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan7.142137.23932@tadtec.uucp>, Tim Steele <tjfs@tadtec.co.uk> writes:
|> |> [...]
|> |> 
|> |> Secondly, a friend showed me his toxicology textbook which had a whole 
|> |> chapter devoted to arguing the case for banning alcohol and replacing it 
|> |> with cannabis.  
|> |> 
|> |> - Alcohol makes some people aggressive; cannabis doesn't
|> |> 
|> |> - The LD50 for alcohol is less than a bottle of spirits (less than 10x MED);
|> |>   the LD50 for cannabis is enormous (no-one has died of it, but 
|> |>   extrapolations from mice show you'd have to eat about 300 lbs of it)
|> 
|> On the other hand, it would surely be discriminatory against those of
|> us who can't cope with smoking.  I've only ever experienced the stuff
|> once, in rock buns (of all things), and was told that its lack of
|> effect was to be expected - I should have been smoking it.
|> --


This is misleading. You can get stoned by eating hash cakes - how stoned
you get depends on how much hash is in them! (Same applies to how strong
the spliffs are).

In fact, I prefer hashcakes - a more comprehensive feeling (ie makes all
my body tingle), less subtle coming-on and boy you can eat cakes ANYWHERE!!!

Major disadvantages (of eating v smoking) are
 (i) harder to know how much to use
 (ii) takes longer to take effect

and (i)+(ii) can mean big problems if you are very impatient!!!

All the best,
Michael
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hi-fi TV sound?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:00:38 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1993Jan8.101514.9439@alex.com>, dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn) writes:
> 
> I've never heard of anything that really matches what you want. Particularly
> the "cheap" part! Your best bet is to get a video recorder and treat it
> as a HIFI component. Naturally, a nicam stereo machine would give the best
> results, but even a mono recorder played back through decent speakers is
> in a different league to the tiny tinny speaker on the tv.

Or I suppose you could cut a hole in an unseen part of the TV and put a jack
or phono socket in it. If a jack you could wire it so that inserting the
jack cuts off the TV speaker, then you connect this jack connection to your
existing stereo setup with a plitter lead to get bin-aural-mono (that phrase
real?). You may need a simple op-amp to act as a pre-amp. Also you may be
better off connecting before the gain control circuit of volume potentiometer
(depends on the TV I suppose) to the speaker, if possible.
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Think of a number
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:28:46 GMT

In article <zlsiida.682@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>Call me an old cynic if you like.

You old cynic.  B^>

(Unless you included the Sun in the above.  B^>  B^>)

Damon
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From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Light (Bulbs)
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:31:32 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

In article <C0JKFL.3r@micrognosis.co.uk>, pcunnell@micrognosis.co.uk (Paul Cunnell) writes:
|> In article <2367@mrcu>, mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley) writes:
|> |> Help,
|> |>  I am looking for one of those 'light bulb' things which show the effects of 
|> |> solar radiation pressure. You know what I mean, a large light bulb, sealed, with
|> |> a vacuum inside and 4 squares (one side black, one side white) each fixed, 
|> |> paddle like, to an arm of a, horizontal, cross and the whole lot balanced on a
|> |> point.  When you put it in the light - it rotates!
|> |> Problem is WHERE CAN I GET ONE FROM????
|> |> 
|> |> Ta in advence for any help
|> |>                          Mark
|> |> 
|> 
|> Just about any of the junk shops around Carnaby Street should do you.
|> 
|> BTW, my understanding was that these things worked because of the 
|> small amount of air left in the 'bulb'. The vanes get hotter on the
|> black side than the white side, thus air molecules get hotter when 
|> colliding with the black side, and rebound faster. The resulting
|> reaction causes the thing to rotate.
|> 
|> But I may be talking rubbish here. Doubtless one of the JET people
|> will be qualified to correct me ;-).
|> 
|> -- 
|> Paul Cunnell (pcunnell@micrognosis.co.uk) 
|> Micrognosis, 63 Queen Victoria Street, London, EC4N 4UD, UK +44 71 815 5294 

I'm not from JET, but I believe you are correct.
Since I have only ever seen one of these things in )-level
physics classes why not try some educational outlets/suppliers?

Michael
Xref: sparky uk.misc:2357 rec.arts.tv.uk:7018
From: dom@castle.ed.ac.uk (Dominic A. Varley)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Ariston music for TV Advert
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:32:48 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1993Jan8.105724.19094@syma.sussex.ac.uk> nealet@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Neale Type) writes:
>Does anyone know what the source of the music (cheap sounding computer
>ditty) comes from, as I am sure it sounds like an old Comodore-64 game
>tune ??
>

Wasn't it one of the first portable keyboards Casio produced in the `80's,
a Casio-Tone?? Which if I remember rightly a Dutch duo produced the same music
as used in the  advert - and beleive it or not - had a hit.  All I remember
was that some lowlife stole all our shopping out of out car in a multistory
car park, leaving my sister's `Casio-Tone' lying on the seat, says it all
really.

dom.
Newsgroups: uk.misc,talk.bizarre
From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: VIZspeak - What is frottage ?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:30:45 GMT

gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>Ah... you can't *have* the equivalent of an armpit at the knee, can
>you?  The knee corresponds to the elbow, not the shoulder.  So the
>analogue of the armpit for the lower half of the body must be the
>groin (not the crotch -- you've only got one of those!).

>As for the question of what the inside of the knee is called: well,
>what's the inside of the elbow called?

The G-spot.  You heard it here first.

--mark
From: fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Drugs
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:47:59 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
> 
> My mother-in-law makes me rock buns without the currants.
> 
What are rock buns?
I know what rock *cakes* are.

Just wondering...

-- 
 Catherine 

	"Your favourite shirt is on the bed
	 Do a somersault on your head"
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Drugs
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

In article <29983@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:

[notes on aggression removed]

|> 
|> Another sidenote: This thread has mentioned cannabis being used in food
|> for those who dislike smoking. Would it be difficult to put the active
|> ingredients in a drink in measured doses? If it were ever legal, I'd
|> expect pubs would probably sell such drinks.
|> 
|> 
|> >  Me, I stick to beer these days.
|> 
|> Personally I just like to drink beer :-)
|> 
|> FoFP


Depends whether the hash will dissolve - it does in things like milk
so hot hash chocolate when you get home from a hard day at work is a
truely unwinding experience.

Michael

"excuse me while I roll-up a place to unwind" ROY HARPER.
From: sl@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Stuart Lea)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: NEWSGROUP: uk.misc
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:21:30 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <4225@datasci.co.uk> tgll@datasci.co.uk (Tim Lyons) writes:
>Please include me as a vote for splitting out uk.transport, so as
>to decrease the transport traffic on this group.
>
>Tim.

Do you reckon that he's using 'Teletext Time'

:>


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