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From: ctrcsa@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris S. Arnold)
Subject: CONTRADICTIONS
Organization: FAA / Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:23:15 GMT


>>In article..(Re: Long Haired Man)...sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
....DELETED......
>>The stuff about Samson is good (silly that you would even have to talk
>>to people about this - it's really none of their business how you wear
>>your hair. People like that are just trying to be controlling and
>>manipulative. Next thing you know they'll be telling you what career
>>to have and who to marry! sheesh!).......I REALLY hope you don't get 
>>pushed around by these people becasue GOD has a plan for your life and 
>>it's probably nothing like what they assume it "should" be. We're each 
>>unique and created with certain talents and tastes, and instead of 
>>fighting that and trying to be what someone else is comfortable with - 
>>we should be who we really are, reach people we can really reach, 
>>express what we can really express, and live fully and freely in the 
>>light of God's love and truth. All this nitpicking is for the birds.....

	I think the above is very well stated, but look at an earlier reply.
IS THIS THE SAME PERSON???????????????/

In article <1hsl3mINNo1f@news.aero.org> sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) also writes:
>>>HA! Are you guys nuts or something? Obviously we shouldn't even be
>>READING a bible, since we have leaders who should disciple us in
>>all authority - we'd better submit too, or we have a spirit of
>>rebellion! - ?
>>ANYTHING about scripture? If a person comes up to you and declares
>>him/her self to have authority over you and says "You'd better submit!"
>>then, You'd Better Submit! Forget this Bible stuff and do what that
>>person tells you to do, like wash their car to learn servanthood,
>>stuff like that. Sheesh! Also, Our Leaders can tell us who to marry,
>>how to worship, but most importantly, how to serve them better and
>>be more pleasing to them. So the main goal of Christianity, as I see
>>it, isn't all this Bible and prayer balderdash. It's really about
>>making our leaders feel good about themselves....

	What's wrong with this picture.  You can't tell this guy with 
long-hair not to pay attention to what the people in the church say about
his hair and then on the other side say "...If a person comes up to you and declares
him/her self to have authority over you and says "You'd better submit!"
then, You'd Better Submit!  This isn't right.  This is a contradiction if I ever
seen one!!

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From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Request for Michael Card's music
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:20:40 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Dec21.110220.819@ualr.edu> lindstrom@acs.harding.edu writes:

>There is sheet music available for this.  Not considering the 
>legal aspects of your request (there may be no *legal aspect),
>MC's livleyhood is from sales and if you enjoy his music, you
>can show your support through purchasing the music.

Sorry, I didn't say what I wanted the chords for.  The point is
that I can't play guitar or sing to save me from starvation.  I
just enjoy playing the guitar and singing to myself so I only
want the chords for my own enterainment.
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Requesting lyrics of DM's "Blasphemous Rumours"
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 12:01:20 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

jusu@krk.fi (Juha Vehvil{inen) writes:
 
> 	Could someone please write me the lyrics of Depeche Mode's song
> 	"Blasphemous Rumours"? Thank You.
 
Yes!  If someone has these, please post them public.  Thanks..
 
Titan
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Request for Michael Card's music
From: lindstrom@acs.harding.edu
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:02:19 -0500
Reply-To: lindstrom@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

In article <11495@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
>
>I recently heard the song "Jesus Loves Me" by Michael Card.  I
>was wondering if someone could post me (email) the chords to the
>songs as I like to play it on my guitar.
>
>Thank you 

There is sheet music available for this.  Not considering the 
legal aspects of your request (there may be no *legal aspect),
MC's livleyhood is from sales and if you enjoy his music, you
can show your support through purchasing the music.

Now let me hop off my soapbox (sorry, as a musician I am 
(over)sensitive to writers not getting their due).  If 
the songbook is not available in your neck of the world,
e-mail me and I will send you a copy (hey, this offer is only
for Anthony Lee) all the way from Arkansas.  Micheal Card
is one of the finest musicians around.

BTW- if you enjoy c/w music, Paul Overstreet has some wonderful
stuff. I am even more impressed that he does not label himself
as a "Christian" artist.

Let me know about the songbook.

Greg Lindstrom
glind@sun1.hu.edu

>
>--
>Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
>email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
>SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
>       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: MWS is Minneapolis on March 5, 1993
From: petra@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:55:23 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

For those of you in the Midwest, Michael W. Smith will be playing at the Target
Center in Minneapolis on March 5.  Tickets went on sale Dec. 11 and are
available at Ticketmaster outlets.  Row 4 here I come!

-Donavan
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: re: the evil beat...
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:07:43 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Just a note...

I have been in christian (or gospel, whichever label you prefer) rock groups
for years now and had to justify my hair and guitar playing (i got rebuked
once for playing guitar with what I guess must have been 'demonic' overdrive,
no kidding...) at least a dozen times.

about the evil beat-
IF it is the case that the Rock music is bad because 'the devil' uses it, 
it would only be because the christians have up and let him have it.

There are lots of things that 'the devil' uses that aren't intrinsically
evil.  I won't banter on, but my point is that a lot of people love to
find reasons that things they DON'T LIKE are evil. It makes their 
theology a lot tidier that ; no challenges to accept something 
different, you know...
From: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: When I least expected
Keywords: Song
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:07:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Anybody know who's the artist of this song???????? The beginning verse
is:

'When I least expect you to show up, or to answer all forgotten
prayers...."


This is all I can remember.


-- 
Thank You Very Much  
Joel R. Labson X5852
labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Chinese Christian artists ?
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

I am new to Christian music and I was wondering if there are any
Chinese Christian artists who sing in either Cantonese or
Mandarin ?
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: the ACM Journal
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:12:41 GMT

In <11DEC199211035387@zeus.tamu.edu> tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:


>The latest Pure Rock Report says that issue #10 of the ACM Journal
>will be its last.   


Sadly, I have heard this same rumour from Raspberry Jam.  They are on it.  I am
a bit dissappointed in their song on the CD because they are much better
live.  They will also be putting out a full length album very soon, 
Raspberry Jam, that is.  Interested parties can contact me, or the Raspberries.
Actually, I just remembered that the address is in the CD.  They now
have Angel Short doing about half of the singing.  She's really good at what
she does.
\
I am also quite sad about the ACM Journal's expiration.  I only recently discovered them.  There's still Syndicate, though, as well as Reality Rocks.
Do you think there's any way of getting them to keep going??  Money??
I am really sad.  Want to start a magazine with me?  I do a radio show on
my college station--DJ, just like Kevin Allison and John Schmebie and Jason
Dean.  Maybe that's the magic ticket.  GET THEE BEHIND ME, OH DELUSIONS OF
GRANDEUR.  (that's exactly what they are...delusions)

When you are frustrated,
			uscream@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
From: tsh2@quads.uchicago.edu (tad hwang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:08:28 GMT
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <carlson.725146095@cwis> carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson) writes:
>myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>>>>          [ ALWAYS use the KING JAMES VERSION.  Later versions are PER-
>>>>          VERSIONS! ] 
>>> 
>>> 	So I take it that you have read ALL of the other versions.  The fact
>>> that the American Standard is considered to be the most accurate rendering
>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> means nothing to you ?  You obviously speek to people in thous thees and
>>> tho's !.  Thou art !!
The King James is a good Bible to have just for its beautiful language.  If
you are reading the Bible as poetry, then use KJ.  If you are reading it for
torah, then use other versions.

>>I thought it was the New International Version that was the most accurate.  I
>>may be wrong though.
>
ACtually, you will find that the NIV is NOT the most accurate.  I took a class
that used different versions and compared them to the original Hebrew, and
the NIV had more than a few problems. 
 If you can't 
use the original hebrew, then try the RSV or the JPS, even though that has 
some of its own problems. 

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Tad S. Hwang
"What happened to that nice decent boy I used |  tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
   to know...?"                               |  the university of chicago
        -leslie wintheiser                    |
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mafu@stortek.com (Matthew Dozier x2102)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: StorageTek
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:16:16 GMT

In article <carlson.725725523@cwis>, carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson) writes:
|> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
|> >In article <carlson.725146095@cwis> carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson) writes:
|> >>myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
|> >>
|> >>[lots of drivel deleted]
|> [lots of well thought out convincing proof following the drivel deleted]
|> 
|> >I don't think anyone could dispute the fact that the QMV and ONEWAY
|> >versions are God's annointed Word.  All other versions are perversions
|> >of the truth.  And I'm willing to fight about it and pray for your
|> >lost soul if you tell me I'm wrong.  Okay?  I hope I haven't offended
|> >thee.  Or thou, for that matter.  
|> 
|> 	Boy, I ought to give you a sock right in the mush, and I would,
|> but the dryer ate my sock, and I don't touch mush. Do you realize that
|> God loves us all equally, and that he wouldn't do for one what he has
|> done for all others! (Hessitations 3:23:b)
|> 
|> 	Therefor, since the only version for our hearing impaired
|> brothers and sisters is the Amplified Version, it logically follows that
|> that is the most accurate version. Sheesh! And in addition, we all have
|> heard that Paul (of Tarsus, not McCartney) had poor vision, hence the
|> large letters he wrote with his hands, and so a Large letter Edition of
|> the Amplified Version is the most accurate (exact, correct, perfect,
|> characterized by percision, deft, reliable, trustworthy, true, meticulous,
|> correct, faithful, I already said correct) version for me and my house.
|> 
|> Brian D. Carlson
|> " the D stands for knowleDgable "
|> 
|> >>Brian Carlson
|> >>carlson@unomaha.edu
|> 
|> >Andy Whitman
|> >AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
|> >att!cblpn!ajw  or
|> >ajw@cblpn.att.com


Dear Gentlemen,

In reference to fighting over which versions are the true "annointed" versions, I would like to make a couple comments.
First of all, why is this in reference to CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD?

Second of all, don't we as believers have a far greater responsibility of sharing the gospel and trying to live a holy life
than to spend precious time arguing about which translation is the only true one.  None of the translations you are
mentioning, or even reading for that matter, are the one and only true version.  The original manuscripts were in Greek
and Hebrew.  Arguing about my version being better than your version is somewhat immature for a believer to be
wasting time on.  There are versions I "prefer" over others, and there are versions that are more accurate translations than
others, but the fact is, each one of us needs to study ourselves and determine what God is telling us.  I recommend that
you use more than one translation when studying.  If possible, the best thing to do is go back to the original language
and start from that point.

Let's not waste precious time arguing about something like this.  We as believers have a much more needed duty that
we are not doing as well as we should or could.

In His Time,

Matthew
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CCM CD/tape clubs?
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: jongsma@esseye.si.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smiths Industries

In <Guest.2.725698845@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu> Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park ) writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.162831.10520@ge-dab.GE.COM> brooks@spaz.dab.ge.com (Stephen Brooks) writes:
>>
>>  Does Word (or anyone else for that matter) still have a CCM tape/CD club?
>>I used to be a member, but they dropped me for some reason (it's been too
>>long to remember why).  Any info/phone numbers/addresses/reply postcards/etc.
>>would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>>P.S.  I already know about Long's, but any info on other mail order places
>>      would be nice, too.
>>--
>***** I ALSO WANNA KNOW ABOUT THIS!!! ***** SO, PLEASE POST THE INFO. *****

Word runs "Family Record and Tape Club." The address is PO Box 10233,
Des Moines, Iowa, 50336-0233

Ken
-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@benzie.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: won@seas.gwu.edu (Won Lee)
Subject: Re: Prayer Request - please read
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:24:48 GMT

In article <DSC9HMR.92Dec23114045@bumed10.med.navy.mil> dsc9hmr@bumed10.med.navy.mil (H. Mike Rice) writes:
>On my knees !!
>
>By His Grace,
>
>-- rice
>--
>|                    H. Mike Rice    |    elf_______________________
>| |  dsc9hmr@bumed10.med.navy.mil    |         Empowerment through
>|_|_____    rice@access.digex.com    |             Education !
>  |_______                           |______________________________


I pray!

-- 
_______________________________________________________________
Won  Lee                     Dept. of EE&CS 
won@seas.gwu.edu       The George Washington University
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: OAISEH0@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Elie)
Subject: Tallis Scholars
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:48:21 PST

Anyone familar with the Tallis Scholars?  I'd appreciate opinions as to
their best/most interesting albums.  Thanks.
From: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Stryper
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:19:50 GMT
Reply-To: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

i don't know if this subject ever came up, or if people using this newsgroup
even consider Stryper a Christian music band, but.....

has anyone heard anything about them?  They put out several REALLY good albums
early in their career (first 4), hit the pop charts, then suddenly
disappeared.  i know they had another release in addition to a Greatest Hits
album after the first four, but it just wasn't the same.  

Did the band break up?  Do they have another album forthcoming?  what
happened?

any info would be greatly appreciated.

hiro.ruo@clemsonsc.ncr.com
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: the evil beat...
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:04:31 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.aero.org

In article <1992Dec30.090743.13308@bsu-ucs> 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>Just a note...
>
>I have been in christian (or gospel, whichever label you prefer) rock groups
>for years now and had to justify my hair and guitar playing (i got rebuked
>once for playing guitar with what I guess must have been 'demonic' overdrive,
>no kidding...) at least a dozen times.
>
>about the evil beat-
>IF it is the case that the Rock music is bad because 'the devil' uses it, 
>it would only be because the christians have up and let him have it.
>
>There are lots of things that 'the devil' uses that aren't intrinsically
>evil.  I won't banter on, but my point is that a lot of people love to
>find reasons that things they DON'T LIKE are evil. It makes their 
>theology a lot tidier that ; no challenges to accept something 
>different, you know...

Now, if we REALLY want to get rid of dangerous and evil stuff, we'd
get rid of cars. Cars cause a lot of death and destruction, y'know,
and probably a lot of people are killed in car accidents who haven't
accepted the Lord, so it can be clearly seen that cars are the
tool of the devil to kill people before they have a chance to have
salvation. So we should get rid of cars, and while we're at it,
computers and phones, since both can be used for gossip. Also
we should get rid of printing and printing establishments, as
well as all photography - stuff like cameras, cuz they can be
used for stuff like pornography. In fact, I can tell you about
several cases where cameras were definitely used for pornography!
I can even produce a weeping person to tell you how cameras were
used by the devil to destroy their life thru pornography. It
wasn't their fault! If the Church hadn't allowed cameras in the
first place, this never would have happened! ...

And cars, well what can I say? Diablolical!

when are people going to wake up and quit all this witnessing and
giving and praying and worshipping and serving, and get on the
ball and start abolishing cars and cameras, for pete's sake!?

               --Stacey
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson)
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ Superstar
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:11:50 GMT

	JCSS had a big influence on me as a kid, as did Godspell. I was
catholic, and accuracy toward scripture wasn't stressed in my house.
Unfortunatly, we had a poor translation of the Bible, and when my
interest in what scripture said started when I was about 10, my mothers
response was, "well, we don't have a very good version", rather than
goin out and gettin gm e a good translation so we would have one.

	I got much of what I felt about God from JCSS. It didn't matter
to me that no resurection was mentioned, then.

	Jeff Fenholt who played Jesus on Broadway, (was lead singer in
Black Sabbath at the time now is a Christian) said once that most of the
cast of the Broadway musical were into the occult.

	God used JCSS in me early life, but now as a Christian, I can't
enjoy something that is so close to the turth, but yet so far. I can
still enjoy Godspell.

	I didn't understand Judas as the 'Hero' type until I went to a
Jesuit University, and heard Theologians explaining what a bumkin Peter
was, and how wonderful and smart Judas was. Judas knew that Jesus wasn't
the Warring Messiah the Jews were hoping for, and he was only trying to
spare his friends embarassment. Anyway, I found all the Glorify Judas as
the smart one, and Humiliate the rest as a bunch of idiots to be a
certain theological idea, and not gospell. Yet it seemed to make it into
JCSS.

	I think it's OK to listen to if you understand that it isn't
true. There are some good things in it, but the power of the resurection
was what set me free from drugs and alcohol, not him dying, and floating
off to heaven somewhere on the cross.

Just my $0.05 worth,
Brian D. Carlson
carlson@unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: rec.music.christian
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:56:26 GMT

[Eilidh Swan writes...]
> As another writer pointed out, the emotions portrayed in JCS are *incredible.*
> _Godspell_, based on the accounts in Matthew, is perhaps far more accurate
> than JCS, (i.e. Jesus rises from the dead in Godspell, not in JCS; there's
> no glorification of Judus in Godspell where there is in JCS.)  But it doesn't
> make my heart catch in my throat like JCS, like the flogging scene.  Ack, 
> whenever I listen to the soundtrack and hear all 39 lashes, I want to cry.

I'll second this.  I've only seen about 5 minutes of the thing.  It was the
part where Jesus was being ridiculed.  They did a good job of it.  It was too
painful to watch.  I'm not sure about the theology but JCS (as far as I'm
concerned) seems a much more accurate portrayal of what really happened than
we like to think about.  I can read the gospel accounts without thinking much
about it but I can't stand to watch it happen in JCS.
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
From: brooks@spaz.dab.ge.com (Stephen Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CCM CD/tape clubs?
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:28:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: very little


  Does Word (or anyone else for that matter) still have a CCM tape/CD club?
I used to be a member, but they dropped me for some reason (it's been too
long to remember why).  Any info/phone numbers/addresses/reply postcards/etc.
would be appreciated.  Thanks.

P.S.  I already know about Long's, but any info on other mail order places
      would be nice, too.
--
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