From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Ozone Man theme song
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:59:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

sl930@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <Nov.9.11.28.21.1992.21450@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>> sl930@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>>In article <Nov.6.15.06.45.1992.10055@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>>> sl930@cc.usu.edu writes:

>Okay, some examples: CAFE standards being increased to 45mpg.  Mcdonalds being

I don't agree that that is a bad thing.  Foreign cars get that kind
of gas mileage. Why can't ours?  I don't think that the car industry
should be forced into it, but they should be rewarded for anywork 
done in that direction.

>pressured into using non-recyclable, non-biodegradable wax paper instead of 
>recyclable polystyrene foam.  

That was McDonalds's stupid decision.  They should have changed to regular
paper, like Burger King did.  Polystyrene foam may be recyclable, but
it takes a tremendous amount of energy to do so.  Not really the best
choice. (of course that's only one scientists opinion)

>People putting spikes in trees to kill loggers.
>That is way too far!

I agree with this one.  But I don't hear Gore advocating tree-spiking.

>Gore deseveres it.  The main scientist who he quotes in his book, said that the
>book was wrong and that he was misquoted many times.  Al Gore does not deny
>this. Gore said that the scientist, who passed away, was taken out of context
>when he made these negative claims on Al's book.

No Gore doesn't deny that a document exists, but he did explain that the
remarks were taken out of context.  Do you know that they weren't?  

>I agree that AIDS and Cancer are serious, and that the environment is important
>as well.  However, it is time for truth.  I am tired of being a sheep and
>listening to people who are not scientist (such as Al Gore) spouting incorrect
>facts. 

So you just decide to belittle the whole cause.  Thats effective.  You
don't agree with the captain, so you blow up the whole ship.

>> I don't personally know any geophysists, but I know enough scientists
>> to know that if you that scientists uncover facts, but they when they
>> interpret them, they do so subjectively.  Meaning that the degree to
>> which a certain finding is severe is often a matter of opinion.
>> 
>> I bet if you ask your dad that, he would agree.
>> 
>Guess what? Wrong again.  Dad, and other good scientists, will tell you that
>science is supposed to be objective.  Hard facts are not things open to
>subjectivity.  


I know many good scientists.  They all discover the same facts and
they all interpret them differently.  

Facts are objective.  What the facts mean to us, is often subjective.
The level of radon in a basement is a fact.  The level of radon that is
considered "acceptable", is subjective.  The whole in the ozone is a fact,
whether this is dangerous or acceptable is subjective.  

>Do me a favor, from now on, have some facts when you try to flame.  And before

Do me a favor and try not to be such a snotty asshole when someone doesn't
agree with you.

>you whine about being attacked, you set the tone for this with your comments

I don't care if you "attack" me, if thats what you are trying to do.  You
are just showing me how juvenile and narrowminded you are.  

>about my mother, of all things.  

You, of all people, should realize that the comment about your mother
was a figure of speech rather than a direct assault on an innocent party.
I mean, since you are the one with the sense of humor, the one who
knows how to "lighten up"...

>Here's a tip...don't ever enter a debate, unless your frail ego could 
>handle the laughter.

Do you really think that I am intimidated by your childish rantings?
I think you are the one with the frail ego.  Who is the one who 
took off on a rampage when someone didn't like his silly song?  Who
is the one who threw a fit when someone didn't bow down in awe of his
"superior" mind even after he explained that he knows everything 
because his daddy was a scientist.

Go ahead.  Tear into me again.  I won't respond though.  I find this
discussion, and you, tiresome.  

Are you going to hold your breath now?

(I'm off to edit my kill file...)

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
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