HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Channel Islands/Nazis
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:20:42 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:

>all sorts of people write - time to shorten it down

>Phill Hallam-Baker writes: 
>(in reply to s.o. else whose name is now lost in a maze of >>s but who wrote:
>: |>My reading was that there was one official who refused to comply. I think
>: |>your being a bit too soft on these folks, why couldn't they have just said
>: |>"There are no Jews in Guernsey" ?)
>: 
>: Because the pillocks had kept all the island records, including the census. It
>: was therefore very easy for the NAZIs to work out who were the native population
>: and who were refugees.
>: 
>: Of course if you were being truly cynical you might consider that the reason
>: that Whitehall wanted to supress the records was their incompetence in allowing
>: information collected under a guarantee of secrecy to fall into enemy hands.
>: 
>: Question is why are the Jersey records still secret?

>The official reason, indoubtedly will be that they concern activities of
>living people, and so will fall under 100 years rule, or whatever. It's
>all discretionary, in practice

>The real reason is probably that people in power kept on acting in the way
>they had always acted. Jersey society in the 1930s does not seem to have
>been particularly tolerant, if Faramus's book is anywhere near accurate:
>and it RINGS true. We are not talking about people grudgingly helping the
>Nazis because they were intimidated into it, but people using Nazi
>occupation as a cover for  paying off old scores. Active, not passive
>collaboration. It's a pattern well known in occupations by the enemy
>The interesting thing is why they were covered up. I suspect the reason is
>to do with national myth-making and preserving. But why REWARD them,
>that's what's really odd?

If you are right that the CI-landers were not particularly
tolerant even before the war then that might make them like
France, where there were a lot of anti-semites in high 
places as was show by a series of scandals dating back to
the 1890's starting with the Dreyfuss affair.

    There were also a lot of tolerant people in France but
Nazi occupation allowed the intolerant to do what they wanted
without too much hinderence form the tolerent people.

   Maybe this is how the UK would have differed from France
and the CI if it had been occupied.  From the events 1900-45
it seems that though the UK did have its own share of intolerant
people, they were
          a smaller proportion of the population or ruling elete,
and/or    less open about it

  So on a scale of anti-semitic behaviour with France on one
end and Denmark and Finland on the other maybe the UK would 
be nearer the
Danish end than the Channel Islands were.

   On the other hand this might just be wishful thinking, hoping
that the society you live in would have behaved in a way you 
would like it to have done so.

>Richard Pennell, History NUS
From: steven@cwi.nl (Steven Pemberton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: The Body Shop and the North Laines
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:33:40 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1993Jan5.093038.12364@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> Does anyone else remember the very first Body Shop? It doesn't
> seem very long ago (15 years?) that it opened as a one-off in the
> backstreets of Brighton. The name was a joke as it was next
> door to an undertakers.
WRONG! The undertakers objected to the name, but it wasn't chosen as a joke.

> In those days the North Laines where it
> was situated was a run-down area full of discount shops.
Not true! It was full of really interesting and unusual shops of the
type that have more or less died out now: a shop that only sold cork
and objects made from cork (now preserved in the local museum I'm
told); a shop that only sold eggs; the 'Co-operative Clothing store'
with cash thingies that wizzed across the shop on wires to the
cash-desk; 'Creature Enterprises' a punk clothing shop; butchers that
sold auction-style on Saturday afternoons, with great crowds of people
bidding. It was a great area.

Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl
"Let us go then you and I/while the night is laid out against the sky/like a
					smear of mustard on an old pork pie"
Nice poem Tom. I have ideas for changes though, why not come over? - Ezra
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: Mike King
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:07:30 GMT

In article <1igsm5INNsvt@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>
smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <1ig303INN3m6@early-bird.think.com>, sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
writes:
>
>> In the '70s, when the metrication fever struck in Britain, plywood was sold
>> there in units of 30 cm (exactly), whereas on the Continent, of course,
>> they used (still do, I think) units of 30.48 cm.
>> 
>
>
>In one of my local DIY stores (in France) they sell laminated chipboard
>in pieces 50cm x 1.83 metres.  50cm wide, 6 feet long. 
>
>
>Then there are car tyres, which in Europe are still sold with the
>width of the tread in mm and the wheel size in inches, e.g. 185 R 14
>(I think Michelin do/did make one variety which is all metric). What does
>the US do?


  Much the same (actually even more mixed). My Camry is fitted with 195-60-15s,
where the "60" represents a tyre width/height ratio of some sort. Go figure.  
Mike King.
>
>Steve
>
>-- 
>Steve McKinty
>SUN Microsystems ICNC
>38240 Meylan, France
>email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
>
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:21:09 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <1ig303INN3m6@early-bird.think.com>, sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) writes:

> In the '70s, when the metrication fever struck in Britain, plywood was sold
> there in units of 30 cm (exactly), whereas on the Continent, of course,
> they used (still do, I think) units of 30.48 cm.
> 


In one of my local DIY stores (in France) they sell laminated chipboard
in pieces 50cm x 1.83 metres.  50cm wide, 6 feet long. 


Then there are car tyres, which in Europe are still sold with the
width of the tread in mm and the wheel size in inches, e.g. 185 R 14
(I think Michelin do/did make one variety which is all metric). What does
the US do?

Steve

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SUN Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: --Body Shop & Wind vs. CO2
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:36:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1993Jan7.182222.8073@leland.Stanford.EDU> prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger) writes:
>But I didn't know the original had closed down.  Is Brighton now
>bodyshopless?
>
Is anywhere bodyshopless these days? They relocated from
Kensington Gardens to North Street, and I seem to recall seeing
a branch in Hove as well recently.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:30:45 GMT

In article <2647@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> jmb@ukc.ac.uk (Mike Bremner) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.210833.7337@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>
>>The dictionaries I consulted gave "a day off work" as the first meaning 
>>for holiday.  Given this, 'Happy holidays' sounds pretty generic to me, 
>
>Ah, but . . . "holidays", in British English, means what you might
>prefer to call a vacation.  So "happy holidays" sounds pretty silly to

Which holidays are also "days off work".  

The biggest eccentricity here is the British insistence in calling
multiple days off work a "holiday" (singular).  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:27:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.233015.28726@csi.uottawa.ca> misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes:

>And on both sides of the Atlantic, "This book is quite good" means 
>"This book is fairly good."

I can't agree with that.  If someone said to me that the book they were
reading is "quite good," I'd take that to mean that it's very good.

Speaking of the "store" thing, does anyone know the history behind the
word for "store" in most romance languages being cognate with our word
"magazine" ??


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72355,1226 on CI$                 no value to us." -Western Union memo, 1877
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Celsius <--> Fahrenheit (was Re: British Imperial...)
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:59:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1993Jan5.144821.1@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu>, f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>
>Does anyone know how the Farenheit scale was developed and why it is such a
>weird scale? I have heard that the 100F mark was supposed to be the tempera-
>ture of blood (body temperature), only they got it wrong!! And 0F happened
>to be the lowest temperature measured at that time (~freezing point of saline
>water?!?).
>
The way I heard it is that it was his body temperature, he just happened to be
running a fever at the time. The answer is probably in the urban legend FAQ.

 Trev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: kelley@phecda (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: Buying things cheaper in the USA
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc., Nashua, NH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:49:39 GMT

morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
: If it's really true that all sorts of goods are much cheaper in the US
: than here in the UK, perhaps someone can assist my SO in his quest to
: find - a Kirby Vacuum cleaner.
: 
: 
: If anyone can send me a phone number or address of any US dealers, or
: even just find out what price they are over there, I'd be dead grateful.
: 
: Presently he refuses to hoover with the "inferior technology" at our
: disposal. And I can't often be bothered either....
: 
: Can YOU help poor little Rosie live in a clean house?
: 
: 
: 
: cheers
: 
: 
: M
: Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 


What's a "Kirby"?  

How about a "Bravo" instead!
 

Sean


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From: RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Eastern hemisphere electrical power
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:18:13 GMT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1ihmlkINN1sd@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>,
smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) says:
>In article <93007.083225RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>, Aengus Lawlor
><RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
>> I always thought that it's the current that'll kill you, not the voltage.
>> And because V=IR, half the voltage means twice the current.
>>
>Its the current that kills, but if you halve the voltage, and the resistance
>stays the same, you will halve the current too (i = v/r). Half the
>voltage only means twice the current if the power stays the same, i.e.
>if the resistance is quartered.
Oops! Sorry about that, I guess my fingers were in gear, but my brain wasn't.

Aengus
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RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: Back to the Liberals (was Re: Silly Bible semi-pedantry)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:03:05 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1993Jan7.132515.933@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.111443.18649@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.103545.27019@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>
>>>Most people don't sit down, analyse the policy of each
>>>political party, and vote accordingly. If this were the case,
>>>the Liberals would win every time.
>>
>>Evidence, Matthew?
>>
>Look at any opinion poll asking people's views on policies
>which does not attach a party label to each policy.

Can you cite some examples?  (This is a genuine request!)

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From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: 3D IMAX
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:16:40 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

As a followup to the recent (if inappropriate) discussion we had here on
IMAX, I've just been to see the 3D IMAX movie "The Last Buffalo".

This was certainly not worth the 4 * $14 I paid for admission.  Apart from
the movie being dreadfully contrived, possibly cruel to animals, and having
little to do with buffalos, the effect of the (otherwise rather good)
polarized 3D was to reduce the IMAX screen down to a very small space in
front of your nose most of the time.  What was the point?

If anyone has seen the Kodak 3D movie at Epcott - that was just as
effective, even though it was on a standard size screen.

It was often quite difficult to focus on the 3-dimensional image by the
way, this was possibly due to the fact that we were sitting close to the
front.  The system uses two different projectors to produce the two images
on the screen polarized at right-angles to each other.  Often it took a
conscious effort to focus on the image, at other times the second image was
apparent.

The accompanying movie "Fires of Kuwait", was visually very good.
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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french
Subject: British phones in France
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:37:37 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Does anyone know if a British phone will work in France. If not, are
adaptors available, or will I have to buy a new one?




-- 
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This message cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Bloody good value if you ask me.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Happy Christmas!
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:36:51 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan8.183310.12926@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> They say raw egg is good for the complexion.  I myself prefer to eat
> eggs, particularly nice free range eggs.  Fried (over hard) or scrambled.
> All we ever seem to get over here are pale imitation eggs from battery
> hens.

You could always return here, where a free-range egg is as common as, well, a
battery egg.
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From: prk@planet.bt.co.uk (Peter Knight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Celsius <--> Fahrenheit (was Re: British Imperial...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:45:53 GMT
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.

steven@cwi.nl (Steven Pemberton) writes:

>The only unfortunate aspect of celsius is that I expect most
>fahrenheit thermostats are set at 70 degrees, and most celsius at 20
                                                                   ^^^

Except that 20 deg C = 68 deg fahrenheit and so is colder...
>degrees, thus contributing to global warming as more people switch
>from F to C (:-)). (I set mine at 19 by the way).

>Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl
>"Let us go then you and I/while the night is laid out against the sky/like a
>					smear of mustard on an old pork pie"
>Nice poem Tom. I have ideas for changes though, why not come over? - Ezra

Peter Knight
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Q: Last song played on Radio Luxemburg ?
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:31:16 GMT

ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:

>In refd article, i6finn@aud2.aud.auc.dk writes:
>>  What was the last song (Title, artist) played on Luxemburg ?
>>  (December 30, 1992, approx. 11.57 p.m. GMT)

>_Approximately_ 11.57?

>Clearly not by your H. Samuels Everite watch!

>RIP Radio Luxemburg.  Another little bit of British, and particularly 50's
>and 60's, culture gone, but not forgotten.
>-- 

Is Radio Luxembourg really off the air!!!

This went completely unnoticed by most of us expats down under.

I guess 24 hour BBC R1 and UK based commercial FM music stations killed
it in the end.

Many of us can remember when R1 finished broadcasting mainstream music
at about 7pm and only broadcast the wierd stuff (at least 8-12 yr olds
thought it was wierd in the 70's) until midnight and then closed down).

The trouble with Luxy 208 is that it never changed its format, even when it 
clearly needed to. 

Sad really. I think todays kids will miss something, not listening to pop
music fading and crackling on AM from Luxy.

Makes me all nostalgic....snifff...

-Jonathan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
From: ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ("Y.Tsuji")
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: zoo.cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Organization: Shagaku, WASEDA University, Tokyo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:34:03 GMT

'quite' in the sense 'fairly' is used in Thoreau's Walden (I looked in
OED2 just now.) But I don't like to imply  Thoreau was an American English
user if such a thing ever existed before WW1. 'quite good' meaning
'very good' is undoubtedly an Americanism (I like to hearif Scottish,
Irish, South African and other variants is like South of England usage
or not on this point.)

Tsuji
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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Studying Meteorology in the UK
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:51:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.202113.2123@ttinews.tti.com> jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>In article <1if0qbINN3ue@early-bird.think.com> sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) writes:
>>In article <dhalliwe.725831451@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell) writes:
>>|> 
>>|>    Hey! I resemble that remark!
>>
>> You WHAT ? Is your native language Yadallean, by any chance ? Are there
>> native English speakers left in Alberta ?
>
>Daan, that was a joke! Not only a very puny joke, but a very old one, I'm
>surprised you didn't recognise it (but then again the concept of a joke
>is still catching hold in the US, isn't it?).
>
>I have heard that particular joke used in a Mash episode, but again it was
>plagiarism.  I would hazard that the original should be credited to either
>Groucho Marx or Jimmy Durante (both excellent joke makers but who did have
>off days).
>

Funny you should mention Americans being humor-impaired in the
same context as 1) an American joke  2) an American 'comedy-drama'
3) two American comedians.  

I love this group.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: kelley@phecda (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Travel to London
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc., Nashua, NH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:05:21 GMT

 
My parents will be attending the Paris Air Show in June and I was
planning on meeting them in Paris.  I have the opportunity to fly to 
London for a low air fare.  Would it be very difficult and expensive 
to travel from London to the coast then to a ferry to Normandy?

I guess from Normandy I'd take the train to Paris.  I thought
perhaps I would save money by getting there from London.  I live in
southern New Hampshire.
 
Thanks,
 
           Sean
 
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Buying things cheaper in the USA
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:22:39 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

>In article <1993Jan8.174939.16131@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kelley@phecda (Sean Kelley) writes:
>>morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:
>>: find - a Kirby Vacuum cleaner.
>>
>>What's a "Kirby"?  

>See above.

...but not the same as a 'kirby grip'?

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: kelley@phecda (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: Travel to London
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc., Nashua, NH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:39:30 GMT

mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
: In article <1993Jan7.180521.27860@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kelley@phecda (Sean Kelley) writes:
: >
: >My parents will be attending the Paris Air Show in June and I was
: >planning on meeting them in Paris.  I have the opportunity to fly to
: >London for a low air fare.  Would it be very difficult and expensive
: >to travel from London to the coast then to a ferry to Normandy?
: >
: Shouldn't be. I went by ferry to Brussels from London last
: year, and a return ticket only cost me #59, less than some
: internal fares in the UK.
: 
: To go through Normandy you would go by the Newhaven-Dieppe route
: rather than the shorter Dover-Calais route. Trains to Newhaven
: leave from Victoria station in London, and there is an international
: ticket office there where you can buy rail/ferry tickets to
: Paris and other places in Europe.
: 
: Matthew Huntbach



Great, thank you for the info!


         Sean



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