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From: sandie@|p|p (Bert Sandie)
Subject: Re: Using weights on runs
Organization: |p
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:39:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.162017.440@unocal.com>, stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan09.014221.41016@watson.ibm.com> dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese) writes:
|> >In article <8JAN199315000684@vax2.concordia.ca> wes@vax2.concordia.ca (Wes Schyngera) writes:
|> >>How good of an idea is it to use small hand weights on runs? Would
|> >>they not be good for speed training? After all, swimmers use similar            strategies to make them go faster on race days. Anyone out there
|> >>use this technique?
|> >NO NO and NO! The act of running all by its lonesome puts enough stress 
|> >on your joints, specifically the knees.  This will only lead to        
|> >big time problems. The last person I knew that ran with weights
|> >wore all the cartilege from his knees and can't run a step.  
|> 
|> Most of the people I see using hand weights are those hyper types who try to do too much too soon
|> and damage themselves, e.g. people trying to satisfy their New Year's resolutions.
|> This might explain why many such people get injured, but not damn the method per se.


As an experienced runner, I would suggest that you do not use hand weights during
your running sessions, as this will lead to biomehcanical problems in your natural
running style.  If you wish to increase your upper body strength for running, then
supplement your running with 2-3 upper body weight lifting sessions per week.

Bert Sandie
MPR Teltech Limited
Vancouver, BC, Canada
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From: wes@vax2.concordia.ca (Wes Schyngera)
Subject: Using weights on runs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:00:00 GMT

How good of an idea is it to use small hand weights on runs? Would
they not be good for speed training? After all, swimmers use similar            strategies to make them go faster on race days. Anyone out there
use this technique?

-----
Wes Schyngera
Concordia University
wes@vax2.concordia.ca
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From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Swimming and running
Summary: looser during second activity of the day
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:58:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Funny thing is you get the same effect if you run twice a day.
I am much looser during the second run of the day,
recalling years back when I used to run twice a day to get
enough mileage for 80-100 mile weeks.

Lately I've been swimming and running, but
seem  to have just as many, if not more, running injuries.
And swimming seems to be very  hard on the shin splints (gotten
from running) although biking is still possible with shin splints.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Getting Old
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:13:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.152811.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>, theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu writes:

>	  At what age will my body start falling apart?
>	  (this is assuming i maintain a good level of fitness until i die)

 your body starts to "die" when around 18 years of age..

>And at what age do you lose your 100m speed? 

 if I got it right, L.Christie is the oldest man ever to win a 100m
olympic gold or something like that, and he's 32, but I'd guess there
are participants on 100m competitions and doing well that are older
than that. How old is Pietro Minnea or Calvin Smith?




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From: sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott)
Subject: Re: Using weights on runs
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:59:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan09.014221.41016@watson.ibm.com>, dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese) writes:
|> In article <8JAN199315000684@vax2.concordia.ca> wes@vax2.concordia.ca (Wes Schyngera) writes:
|> >How good of an idea is it to use small hand weights on runs? Would
|> >they not be good for speed training? After all, swimmers use similar            strategies to make them go faster on race days. Anyone out there
|> >use this technique?
|> NO NO and NO! The act of running all by its lonesome puts enough stress 
|> on your joints, specifically the knees.  This will only lead to        
|> big time problems. The last person I knew that ran with weights
|> wore all the cartilege from his knees and can't run a step.  
|> >
|> >-----
|> >Wes Schyngera
|> >Concordia University
|> >wes@vax2.concordia.ca
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> --------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
|> Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
|> I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
|> Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401 


I tend to differ with this opinion.  Sure additional weights will add
stress (via weight) to your body.  However it is not much different than
aunt dorthy's fruit cake... :)  I know that food weight will not all
position itself on your hands - however 1-3 lbs is insignificant in
relation to your overall weight.

I have used weights to assist with arm endurance - prior to this my arms
would tire before my legs....  However, one must be careful and use weights
in a limited fashion.  I would actually use small bricks (so that I could
stash them at various locations on a run).  I never carried them for more
than 3 miles (easy distance only).  I used them more extensively on the
track or doing pace workouts.  I would carry the brick for a few laps and
then drop them for the remainder.  This will also point out any
inefficiency in your arm swing.  One good point about using a throw-away
weight is that if you tire or something begins to hurt - simply toss them. 
Oh yes - cars (among others) seem to have a new found respect for someone
carrying bricks.  People are likely still finding my bricks in the town
where I grew up...

Also when running with slower friends - using hand weights is a good way to
get a workout while running a slower pace.

I would say NEVER use weights on your ankles - this will cause much stress
to the knees as the weight is at the end of a lever - your leg...

Stephen.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: Terrell Magee <magee@convex.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Hip Pain Help Required
Originator: magee@zeppelin.convex.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:16:29 GMT
Reply-To: magee@convex.UUCP (Terrell Magee)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan11.090513.13085@waikato.ac.nz> rel@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Fellow runners,
>
>I have been running for some time and have had numerous injuries associated
>with running (shin splints, knee problems) but last week I was doing my last
>training for a local triathalon when during the run (about 8km) my hip was
>hurting. There was a sharp pain on or around the top of my right the thigh bone
>, this
>pain was quite bad the next day (stiffening up?) but went away by the following
>day, I didn't do any more running, biking or swimming untill yesterdays tri and
>at about the 5km mark the pain came back. I have no pain biking when the hip is
>sore but I have never ever had this injury before.
>
>The current shoes I am using have not coused the problem before.
>
>Any ideas what it might be and how to prevent it happening on a regular basis?
>
>Any comment welcomed...
>
>Thanx in advance...
>
>
>Rob.

Rob,

I'm not a physician so take this as only a related experience.  I ran a 
half-marathon as a training run 1 month prior to a target marathon.  The
run felt great and no pain.  Two days later after a 5 mile run I had a 
sharp pain at the top of my left thigh bone which caused me to have a slight
limp that day.  After two days rest and no noticeable pain or soreness, I 
did another 5 mile run.  Again, sharp pain after the run and a worse limp. 
Two days rest and then I attempted my last long run of 24 miles.  3 miles
into it that was it.  Extreme sharp pains with every step.  A bone scan
revealed a stress fracture in the femoral neck of my left leg.  My comment
is that a stress fracture in this area can be extremely serious.  If you
are experiencing sharp pains I would definitely have this looked at.

Terrell
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From: magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer)
Subject: Re: Shoes with best shock absorption?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:59:03 GMT

tomc@modcomp.uucp (Tom Cianflone) writes:

>Are there any shoes that are known to be
>best for shock absorption? Also, anyone out there running successfully
>with a known lower back disk herniation?

>Regards, Tom Cianflone
><uunet!modcomp!tomc> -or- <tomc@modcomp.com>

	If you can get a copy of Last April's Runners World Magazine, they
list various shoes that are good for the type of shock absorption you need.
Since I am a really heavy heel striker, I am using a pair of Asics GT-120's,
and I feel like they give me the stability I need while still providing me
with great cushioning.

Magdi N. Azer
magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:15:56 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1993Jan6.164704.17633@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

> Well be prepared for the 5-10 year "surprise".  With time one's metabolism
> can become very efficient at a given task.  The first five years it was
> easy to keep weight off.  Afterwards I had to watch my diet again.  The
> standard metabolic rate for running is given as .75 kcal per pound per mile.
> I've estimated my rate at about .5 kcal after 16 years of running.

How have you made that estimate?  Unless you've made laboratory measurements
or have conducted a very carefully-conducted experiment, I don't see how you
can come up with such a figure (but I'm willing to be convinced).

Also, the "standard" metabolic rate I've always heard is 0.67 kcal/lb/mile
(100 kcal per mile for a 150 lb. person).

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)

P.S. to everybody: please try to keep your lines shorter than 80 characters.
Thousands of readers will silently thank you.
From: shishir@acs.bu.edu (Shishir Gundavaram)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Ankle Problem (Revisted)
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:08:33 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: shishir@acs.bu.edu


I'm sorry I didn't mention this in the original posting:

I was on a pretty strong anti-inflammatory (Feldene 20mg/day) for
two weeks, and I stopped exercising 3 months ago. And it still
hurts.

It doesn't hurt while I'm walking or even running. It just hurts
while I'm going up or down stairs, and if I "explode" off that
ankle.

Thanks,

--Shishir
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Getting Old
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:11:18 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan7.152811.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu> theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
>
>	
>	I just turned 30 and have a question for older runners, or anyone
>who might know.
>
>	  At what age will my body start falling apart?
>	  (this is assuming i maintain a good level of fitness until i die)
>
>	Let me clarify this just a little first.....  I know there are
>many cases of runners performing well in their mid to late 30's etc. But 
>there aren't any 50 or 70 year-olds out setting world records (excluding
>age group records) in the 100m or 1500m  etc.  So at about what age
>does being able to perform start to decline and why?  And at what age
>do you lose your 100m speed? 

Eddie Hart is over 40 and still runs sub 10.5... I did four days a week last
summer and ran 10.8 (hand timed) last summer. I was 32 at the time. My personal
best in college was 10.51 (full-auto). The strange thing is that my training
was not nearly as intense as it could have been due to having a full-time job
and really only training at lunch for 45minutes or so. Your body is not going 
to fall apart any time soon. Stay in shape and lift a bit and I'm sure you'll 
have good speed well into your 40's. We know that muscle tissue regeneration 
slows down gradually after we hit our physical peak at age 27-32 but the rate
at which that decline occurs is probably an individual thing. Tony Dorsett ran
4.3 in the 40 yard dash in Denver training camp at age 35! Because we all are 
different, we age differently. I believe maintaining good fitness slows it 
down like you wouldn't beleive. Nobody believes me when I tell them my age 
after they run with me. 32 year-olds simply aren't supposed to be that fast. Or 
that well-conditioned... I play in an 8-man flag football league and always 
amaze these guys with my conditioning.... sometimes during tournaments I play 
six or seven games in two days.. both ways... my body really hurts on those 
days but during a normal season i don't even get tired during the games. You 
can look forward to having similar fun at some youngsters' expense!!! 


>(is it something to do with vascularization of the bones???)
>	just curious.		- t.

I think it's more a matter of loss of explosive muscle tissue and the inability
(due to age) to regenerate. 





-- 
Ronnie
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They just laugh and double your misery!
From: milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Getting Old
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:58:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48248
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

Not requoting previous discussions to save bandwidth. . .  All the
talk about a decline may be quite true for short distances (including
the marathon) but if you look at ultramarathoning, the adage 'older
is better' seems quite true.  Exceptional performances by runners in
thier 40's, 50's, even 60's is commonplace.

milt scholl

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From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Re: Getting Old
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 01:19:00 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <48248@ogicse.ogi.edu> milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl) writes:
>Not requoting previous discussions to save bandwidth. . .  All the
>talk about a decline may be quite true for short distances (including
>the marathon) but if you look at ultramarathoning, the adage 'older
>is better' seems quite true.  Exceptional performances by runners in
>thier 40's, 50's, even 60's is commonplace.
>
>milt scholl
>

I'll second that! I ran a 50 mile trail race( Ground Hog Fall 50 just for 
info) and finished in 19th place. Then I looked at the results - I was 
12th in the over 40 age group and two of those were over 50.  I fact 
the 50 year olds had showered and shaved before I finished. There
are some tough old farts out there. Oh well, two more years and I'll 
be an old duster too. -)
                        Doug Freese(Home of the Escarpment Trail Race)

-- 
--------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401
From: jp07@gte.com (James Paschetto)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Shoe store recommendations, Boston area?
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:45:46 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA


  As a recent transplant to the Boston area, I'm looking for a running
store that has:
     1. good inventory of shoes (a wide range of makes & models);
     2. experienced staff.
  I'm not looking for deep discounts.  Right now (having a "shoe crisis" --
my old standby line, ASICS, doesn't seem to work for me any more), good
advice is worth the extra you pay at a retail store.
  Relevant anecdote: About 12 years ago I was recommended to a store in
Kansas City (Phidipides Running Store).  The folks there were practically
orthopods -- they checked out my arches & knees and disuaded me from the
shoes I had intended to buy.  The shoes I ended up with would not have been
my choice, left to my own devices -- they seemed too firm and, well, low-tech.
But no shoe before or since has ever served me so well.  I paid retail,
and it was a bargain.
  Thanks for any advice,    ...Jim Paschetto.
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Ankle Sprains
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:59:21 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1993Jan4.204904.25164@kth.se> tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren) writes:

> the first thing is to put a bandage pretty tight around it to prevent
>inner bleedings. Keep it on for 30 minutes, keep your foot high, and
>put ice on it. Remove it to get the blood flowing again, and then put
>it on again for another 30 minutes, keep your foot high and keep the
>ice there. Then you tape your ankle after a very intricate schedule,
>and you can start training again, not the same level, but very soft...

 RICE: Rest Ice Compression Elevation


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From: stuart@nynexst.com (Rory Stuart)
Subject: Re: Getting Old
Originator: stuart@eclipse
Reply-To: stuart@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science and Technology Center
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 01:12:24 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.152811.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>, theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
|> 	
|> 	I just turned 30 and have a question for older runners, or anyone
|> who might know.
|> 
|> 	  At what age will my body start falling apart?
|> 	  (this is assuming i maintain a good level of fitness until i die)

I'm just about to turn 37, and I still believe I have my fastest times
ahead of me (though this is partly because I never trained very intensely
when young, e.g. never ran track in hs or college).  A friend who is
several years older than me continued improving til about age 38, running
several miles in the 4:11-4:12 range and one in 4:08 (outdoor course,
may have been slightly downhill??).  This is a guy who never broke 4:20
as a member of a college track team.  Now, he's in his early 40's, don't
know that you'd say his body is "falling apart" but he's slowed down to
times in the 4:20s.

-Rory
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Cramp and Stitch when Running (help!)
Date: 13 Jan 93 09:28:36 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hi,  I haven't posted to this group before as I spend my time in rec.bikes,
(though if I had $250 I'd be back into running in a flash),  but my girlfriend
does a bit of running and has a problem.

She's fit enough to do a slow hour's running,  and I often 'bodyguard' her for
runs when she finishes work late in the evening.  On these occasions she hasn't
eaten or drunk for 3 hours and is o.k.  But day-time runs,  even those in the
morning on top of no food or drink,  usually lead to the 'stich'.

Any advice would be great (feel free to e-mail).

Jonathan Dodd,
University of Waikato
New Zealand.
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Atlanta area marathons?
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:40:09 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <C0nHr3.Ir0@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>, banchy@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Banchy thomas g 4109939255) writes:
> In article <15890052@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> kah@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Kathy Harris) writes:
+ >
+ >Are there any marathons coming up through the year in the Atlanta area?
+ >Email me if you have info/comments on any.
+ >
+ Check the latest issue (January, I guess) of Runner's World in the local
+ library.  They have a complete list of US marathons scheduled in 1993,
+ along with most of the major races outside the US.  
+ 

Readers of this group may be interested in knowing that the book
from the New York Road Runners Club, called _The New York Road
Runners Club Complete Book of Running_ has a list of marathons held
in the United States and abroad. They are listed by month. In
addition, a contact phone number is provided.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
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From: banchy@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Banchy thomas g 4109939255)
Subject: Re: Atlanta area marathons?
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:23:27 GMT

In article <15890052@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> kah@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Kathy Harris) writes:
>
>Are there any marathons coming up through the year in the Atlanta area?
>Email me if you have info/comments on any.
>
>thanks,
>
>Kathy Harris
>kah@fc.hp.com
>

Check the latest issue (January, I guess) of Runner's World in the local
library.  They have a complete list of US marathons scheduled in 1993,
along with most of the major races outside the US.  

Marine Corps in '93!

Tom
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From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Running on consecutive days
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa


I am curious about the effects of running on consecutive days.  I figure
that it probably depends on how far and hard you run, but what are the best  
combinations?   

The reason why I ask is because I've been running every other day for about 3  
months now, and I am up to about 3.5 miles each time, with a small increase  
each week.  I would like to start running more often, but am not sure whether I  
should do more speed or endurance work.  

Thanks in advance to everyone.

p.s.  This group is GREAT for inspiration!  :)

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From: rel@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Hip Pain Help Required
Date: 13 Jan 93 09:13:20 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I would like to take this oppurtunity to thank all those people who responded
to my question regarding hip-pain. I got a variety of possible causes such as:

- Sciatia = advice: go to a physio

- Stress fracture: advice: rest for a while, depending on severity

- Bursitis: advice: take anti-inflamatory pill (ibuprofen, aspirin)

- Overpronation or some other physical problem (such as uneven length of legs)
	advice: see foot specialist, run on grass etc.

Of these I can rule out the last one as I have even length legs and have a
normal running style, also I always run on grass during training.\

Some people commented that it is probably not sciatia as the pain associated
with this is sometimes hard to pin-point and can affect other areas, especially
the lower back.

I think that it is bursitis but of course I can't be sure.

Again thanx for all the replies.....


Rob.
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