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From: wallace@dtc.hp.com (David Wallace)
Subject: Re: Vegas World info wanted
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:28:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Sep11.094913.1@azcc.arizona.edu> kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu writes:
>
>I have been to Vegas World a few times and yes the place is a pit. I remember
>a lot of stains on the carpet. It has been about three years since I have
>been there. Don't they have good Blackjack rules there. I think that is what
>drew me there. I also remember them dealing to the bottom of the deck.
>
>Am I correct or am I thinking of another place?

Sort of.  Their Blackjack rules are pretty liberal in all but one respect,
but it's a doozy: they only pay even money on player blackjacks (though
a player BJ wins even if the dealer also has BJ).  This means that you are
giving up around 2% to the house off the top, which is an awfully steep
cliff for even the most dedicated card counter to climb.  They did deal
down to the bottom of the single deck games consistently, so there might be
opportunities for endplay, but I wouldn't bet outside cash there.  

I looked at it as a place to practice counting with their "table action"
chips, cashing them in at an expected 48% of face value, and then going
elsewhere with the proceeds.  Viewed this way, their deal isn't a bad deal
(as long as you don't mind staying at a place that's a bit of a dump
relatively cheaply), it's just not as good as you might expect from the
ads.  If you don't have a car, you might feel stranded there out at the far
end of the strip.

One more point: once I stayed there the first time, they sent me
offers for better deals as a "repeat customer."  If I had been
planning to go back anyway and had no place better to stay, I might have
taken them up on it.  As long as you don't bet your own money in addition
to their "action chips" and don't care about ambiance, it's not too bad.
Just be aware of what you're getting yourself into: if you don't have
inflated expectations, you'll be less likely to be disappointed.

Dave W.		(dwallace@dtc.hp.com)

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From: howard@titania.ultra.com (Howard Simonson)
Subject: Cal. Cardrooms
Reply-To: howard@ultra.com
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:16:02 GMT

If you happen to trip over a copy of "Metro" this week (ba. distribution on
this article), there's a fairly interesting article on California Cardrooms
in it.  A bit long and meatless at points, but overall it was fun reading.

Gee, I may have to come up with a condensed sig. for these short posts, my
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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: WANTED: Vegas info for Sept 11th Wkend
Date: 8 Sep 1992 14:45:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

Anyone know of any special events going on in Vegas this weekend? Besides the
Chavez/Camacho fight? 

Any ideas on rooms for the weekend also? I've got reservations at the Maxim,
but I've never been there before and I'm getting anxious. 
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood)
Subject: Re: Vegas World Cheats??
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:52:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.054024.5312@athena.mit.edu> fhchua@athena.mit.edu (Fei Hai Chua) writes:
>
>I just got back from Las Vegas and have couple questions about the rules
>at the Vegas World casino.
>
>I got a special package from Vegas World (which I think many people do)
>and went there for 3 days. Included in my package were some chips,
>money, and slot tokens.
>
>Question 1: I was given chips for table. Those are not ordinary chips,
>but instead, worth only half (or less) of the it's value. As a result,
>when I play the "wheel" with $10 worth of chips on both red and black
>sides, as long as I the "wheel" doesn't give 00 or 0, I will get $10
>worth of real chip back, and the casino takes all my "fake" chips ($20
>of them from both side, black and red). I ended up using $20 of my
>"fake" chip in exchange with $10 of cash chip. Why? Why were I given
>"fake" chips instead of cash chips?
>
You were given "match play" chips so that Bob Stupak could give
you $800 in table action for the $400 you paid.

>Question 2: I was also given token for slots. Those token are worth $5
>each. I was told that I have no obligation to gamble before I went but
>Vegas World refused to cash me those tokens. What can I do?

Throw them all in the toilet and get Frank to dive for them!
>
>In addition, the $5 slot machines takes $5 token but only give $1
>reward. I ended up with $37 after spending those $400 worth of token. Is
>this $5 play $1 award thing allowed?

Congratulations.  I understand that $37 from $400 of token is better
that the average expectation.
>
>I have a pretty bad impression with Vegas World. Hope I can at least get
>the above two confusion sorted out.
>
>Thanks. Please reply by email.

Ugh!  We know you don't read r.g. since you would have already been
warned of the *wonderful* promotion.  If no-one emails maybe you'll
look in on us again!
>
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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:24:24 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

I've not seen much interst here in Football wagering.

I find this surprising because I have been able to gain an edge
handicapping football greater than most card counters have at
blackjack without having to worry about heat from pit crews, and
all the other usual problems documented in this newsgroup.


For those interested here are my recommended wagers for this week.

Selections are graded from one to five stars(or units). Four and five
star picks are very rare.

  * IOWA   +14.5 over Miami      8 pm EST Saturday, Sept 5
*** DALLAS + 2.5 over Washington 9 pm EST Monday,   Sept 7

                                        Al
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Subject: Casino Gambling in Kenosha Wisconsin
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:37:18 GMT


Binion's Horseshoe, in cooperation with the Lac du Flambeau band of Chippewa
indians is hoping to open a $50 million casino in the Kenosha-area (about 60
miles north of Chicago, and 20 south of Milwaukee...more ore less).

Binion's would retain 34% of the profits as a management fee.  The indians
would get the rest (split among around 2,000 members of the tribe).  The tribe
would have to purchase land in Kenosha for this to happen, and the Governor
would have to approve the purchase.  Experts say that a casino in that
location should bring in up to $300 million/year with a $45 million profit/year.


Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
From: wallace@dtc.hp.com (David Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Vegas World info wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:20:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

The Players:
>> Original poster
DW> Me
JR> Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com> writes:

>>I have been to Vegas World a few times and yes the place is a pit. I remember
>>a lot of stains on the carpet. It has been about three years since I have
>>been there. Don't they have good Blackjack rules there. I think that is what
>>drew me there. I also remember them dealing to the bottom of the deck.
>>Am I correct or am I thinking of another place?

DW> Sort of.  Their Blackjack rules are pretty liberal in all but one respect,
DW> but it's a doozy: they only pay even money on player blackjacks (though a
DW> player BJ wins even if the dealer also has BJ).  This means that you are
DW> giving up around 2% to the house off the top, which is an awfully steep
DW> cliff for even the most dedicated card counter to climb.

JR> Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought the BIG change in the rules was
JR> that all ties (except for a player natural) were won by the house.  This
JR> is some horrendous house advantage (like 9%) to offset the exposed cards.
JR> 
JR> Can someone who is sure (dis)verify this for us?
JR> 
JR> JR

You're referring to a different game also offered by Vegas World.  I was
describing the single deck Blackjack conditions from the time I stayed
there (1986, so it's a little dated).  They also had a multi-deck "Double
Exposure" game with the conditions you describe (both dealer hole cards
exposed, dealer wins all ties).  I assume both games are still in
operation, along with Stupak's "Crapless Craps" (2,3, and 12 become points
on the come-out roll, but so does 11, which more than makes up for the
other three in house advantage).  It's kind of fun to analyze Stupak's
games to see where the left hand taketh away more than what he's giving you
with the right.

Dave W. 	(dwallace@dtc.hp.com)


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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: winslade@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Winslade)
Subject: Re: Vegas World info wanted
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:32:05 GMT

elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:

>>Oh my god!  I stayed there once and it was TOTALLY gross.  The rooms/hallways
>>reeked of putrifaction.  The gambling didn't impress me either.

>I was at the Plaza a few months ago and this really drunk cowboy walks
>up to the bar and says to me, "Man, this place sucks!! You should head
>over to Vegas World where they play country music!"

After I posted my original reply in this thread, I got a sharp note in
e-mail saying I was being 'unfair' to VW.  (I did note that he did NOT use
such expressions as 'I always stay there'.)

About a month ago we were waiting for the show to start at C. Palace, and
the people at our table were exchanging stories about where they like
to stay/play/eat.  Of course they mentioned the usual gamut from El Cortez
to Hacienda and about everything in between (but ...).
Then sombody asked if anyone had stayed at VW.  The response was a cacaphony
of groans and laughs, some from other tables!

Everyone I know who frequents LV has their favorite places to stay/play/eat.
NEVER do I remember someone saying 'When we go to Vegas, we always
stay/play/eat/whatever at VW.  The only think I ever remember hearing is
'.. we went there ONCE and ....'.
 
Good day        JSW

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Subject: Poker Book Discounts
Reply-To: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Pittsburgh, PA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:07:12 GMT

Hey fellow rec.gambling World Series of Poker Tournament players.  If there is
enough interest I can place another order for poker books by Sklansky and/or
Malmuth and probably get them in time for them to help you stay in the
tournament (if you don't play too loosely!)  

There are two books which might be especially helpful for the tournament:

Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players by Sklansky and Malmuth
Hold'em Poker by Sklansky

Another highly recommended book is:

The Theory of Poker (formerly Winning Poker) by Sklansky.

There are several other titles available.  Send me a note if you're interested
and I'll send you details.

Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: winslade@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Winslade)
Subject: Re: football handicapping
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:16:17 GMT

jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano) writes:

>In article <winslade.716068001@cwis> winslade@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Winslade) writes:
> 
>>I did get the Gamblers' Mate software last weekend.

>I've looked all over soda.berkeley.edu, and have been unable to find this file.
>I'd love to try this out, but I can't if I can't get it.

>Any suggestions?

About the only thing I can suggest is that you can file-request it using
(dare I say it in this group ?? ;-) Fidonet-technology methods from 'Arfnet'
address 1:209/777.  You'll need to get two files, GMBLMT92.ZIP and
GM92FIX1.ZIP.

If you ABSOLUTELY cannot get it, mail me and I will UUENCODE and mail it,
but I would rather not waste the bandwidth if you can find it elsewhere.
 
OBTW, it's a MeSs-DOS program, but it runs fine under VP/IX with ISC Unix
v.2.whatever. 
 

Good day        JSW

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: "triple action" blackjack
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:31:11 GMT

In article <23271@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> grover@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com writes:
>Sorry if this has been discussed here before, but has anyone posted a
>strategy to this mutation of blackjack ?  How about odds ?  I saw this game
>at the Riviera in LV a few months ago.  This is the game where the dealer 
>uses the same hole card three times in a row, and the player must use the
>same hand throughout (I think those are the rules).  I lost enough money to learn
>1 rule.  Don't bust ! (you use all 3 bets :-))  Looked like a game that heavily
>favored the house, but maybe that isn't the case.

The strategy is the same as for "normal" blackjack.  The bet size (per
hand) should be slightly over 1/3 of what you'd bet on single-action
(normal) blackjack.

Making people afraid of busting (thereby playing sub-optimally) is the
major house advantage on this game.  Also, for people who play the
same size bets on each of the 3 parts as they would on one, there are
many more hands per hour.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: ginger@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.gallagher)
Subject: Piero's in Las Vegas - Anybody Hear of It????
Keywords: Piero's - LV
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:37:06 GMT

I will be winging my way to LV (finally) on September 18.  I
just cannot, CANNOT, CANNOT wait!!!!!!!!

Just the other day I heard mention of an Italian restaraunt
named Piero's that is supposedly quite good.  Has anyone out
there ever heard of it or been there?  Is it any good?  Where
is it?  Any comments, info would be appreciated.

BTW, I don't believe I was able to thank each individual
for the info supplied me on milk shakes and buffets - so
here goes - MY FONDEST THANKS TO ALL THAT RESPONDED (and
the ones that intended to respond, too).  

And many thanks to Manny Raposa for the discount coupons!!!!
From: steveh@or.credence.com (Steve Holder)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Reno Goings On...
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:49:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR


  My buddy and I are going to be in the bay area for some classes in
  mid-October.  We were planing to drive up to Reno over the weekend
  of Oct. 16-18.  Is there a place where we could get info on discounted
  hotel rates, good deals on good meals, happenings that weekend,
  etc..?  We were thinking about staying at Ballys.  Any words on it?

  Also, does anyone know if the Plantation in Sparks still has .25
  craps?  I like to play this when I just want to relax (Last of the
  high rollers).  If they don't is there any other place that offers
  it?
  

  As Always,

  Thanks,

  Steve

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
Subject: Re: FAQ for BJ location
Keywords: FAQ, Black Jack
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:01:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.191935.6543@cs.UAlberta.CA>, mah@cs.UAlberta.CA (Dean S. Mah) writes:
>
>  Is there a FTP site that I can pick up the FAQ list for Black Jack? Or
>  how often is it posted?
>

From the faq itself:

Q:G3  Is there a gambling archive?
A:G3  (Michael Hall)

  The gambling archive is intended to store stuff *useful* to rec.gamblers,
  like the FAQ list, blackjack card-counting information, poker statistics,
  etc.  It is not intended at this time to store all the daily drivel
  of rec.gambling.

  The archive is accessable via anonymous ftp to soda.berkeley.edu
  (128.32.131.179).  (Type "ftp soda.berkeley.edu" or "ftp 128.32.131.179"
  and then "anonymous" when it asks for the name. Then "cd pub/rec.gambling".)



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From: yung@mcnc.org (Edward K. Yung)
Subject: multi-action BJ
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:37:47 GMT

When a multi-action BJ table is marked with a minimum bet of $5, does this
mean that the bet for each spot must be higher than $5 or the total bet for all
three spots needs to be more than $5?

It is claimed by experts in this newsgroup that the same basic strategy for regular BJ
should be used in this game.  My question is related to the bankroll.
Suppose my bankroll is Y, and the optimal bet size is X.
Now if I am asked to bet 3X in this multi-action BJ game, intuitively it
doesn't feel right to play the same basic strategy.
I cannot afford to bust and lose 3X in the first hand hoping to win
X for the first bet.
Can some experts make a connection between the bankroll and the betting
strategy issues?
Thanks!
From: grover@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com (Dean Grover)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: "triple action" blackjack
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:28:44 GMT
Reply-To: grover@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

Sorry if this has been discussed here before, but has anyone posted a
strategy to this mutation of blackjack ?  How about odds ?  I saw this game
at the Riviera in LV a few months ago.  This is the game where the dealer 
uses the same hole card three times in a row, and the player must use the
same hand throughout (I think those are the rules).  I lost enough money to learn
1 rule.  Don't bust ! (you use all 3 bets :-))  Looked like a game that heavily
favored the house, but maybe that isn't the case.

Dean
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Xref: sparky rec.gambling:4741 misc.legal:16993
From: jimp@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Jim Piercy)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling,misc.legal
Subject: Laws on the Reservation?
Keywords: Legal Law Rights Gambling
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:03:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster


I play poker at several casinos in the San Diego area that are located
on Indian reservations.  Am I subject to any different laws when I'm on
Indian land?  I see Saftey Officers or something like that but I don't
know who they are or what authority they have.  Please send me e-mail
if you have information or are interested in getting information and if
there is enough interest I will post a summary of responses.

Thanks in advance,
Jim P
From: jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Optimal Strategy for Multi-Action BJ?
Keywords: BJ, Multi-Action
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:43:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <ERIC.24.0@hup.ucla.edu> ERIC@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) writes:

>Is there a consensus on the optimal strategy for Multi-Action BJ?
>I've seen some posts advertising that the optimal strategy is the same as 
>for single action, while others seem to believe a "busting adverse" strategy 
>is better.  If anyone is interested I'd be willing to summarize responses 
>and post the summary.  Michael, Steve, what do you think?  

Well, my name's not Michael or Steve, but will Jason do? 
Anyway, the strategy for Multi-action BJ is EXACTLY the same as for regular
blackjack.  The end result is just triple (or whatever you play) the number
of hands per hour.  I assume a card counting strategy would be different, but
then again, if your a card counter in LV, you should be playing single deck,
not multi-action.  As for "busting adverse" strategies, that's what the house
wants you to think...don't.

Jason
jason@dcs.umd.edu
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: LVA = Vegas in December
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:28:28 EDT
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

In article <lb9aqqINN8un@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, mannys@thebookstore.Eng.Sun.COM (Manuel 'Manny' Raposa) writes:
> 
> 	Well, the September issue of the Las Vegas Advisor arrived over the
> weekend, and what a surprise!  Two free nights at Harrah's on December 20th
> and 21st!
>> 
> 	Hey, what a chance for rec.gamblers to get together in Vegas!  As of
> this time, my wife and I are planning on going.  We were planning on going
> just after Xmas anyway, so we'll just move our schedule up a bit.  Anybody
> else tentatively planning on attending?

I'll be there.  I may not have any cash left by that time, since I'll
also be there the week of Dec 4th, but I'll be there.  :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Subject: Re: Vegas World info wanted
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:40:43 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.155856.699@bnr.ca> yali@bgtys28.bnr.ca (Yawar Ali) writes:
>
>Can anyone provide info. on playing conditions and accommodations
>at Vegas World? Also, a summary of rec.gamblers' analysis of 
>Bob Stupak's current promotional would be much appreciated.

In one word:

AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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