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From: kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger)
Subject: Re: Painting bicycles
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:31:15 GMT

tomk@netcom.com  writes:

> Do it yourself paint jobs most often aren't worth the effort of
> stripping, preparation and painting unless you have access to
> good tools and materials. Top flight paint, such as Imron or
> Starburst can run you $50 for the amount necessary to spray a bike
> and spray can jobs generally are ugly and unprofessional. Spray cans
> contain paint that is weak, sun reactive and chipping prone.
> 
> So, unless you have a classic bike that you want to preserve, a bike
> that you just have too many good memories from, or a very high class
> bike that is worth an expensive paint job it is generally best to
> buy a new bike rather than getting new paint.

This is not necessarily true.  Painting a frame with spray paint is cer-
tainly not advisable, but if a person has access to an air brush, it's not
too hard.  Around college campuses, a lot of students sell their air brushes
used for good prices, and in the long run, these things come in handy for
other projects.  I haven't yet tried using an air brush on my commuting
frame I want to repaint, but an artist friend assures me it will work well.
I am planning on using a simple-but-beautiful technique Greg LeMond's shop
does.  One of their styles is white with a marbled appearance, and it is
easy to do.  They spray the frame white, and while it is wet, they turn an
acetylene torch on low with little O2 so that it smokes.  Next, the smoke
is allowed to drift onto the wet paint.  After the paint dries, a clear
coat is added.  The result is stunning.  I would suggest a little practice
with some PVC or plumbing before actually doing it.

> the spray. And if you don't mask off the head tube and the bottom bracket
> you'll need a shop to use special tools to clear them out.

A little paint stripper does the trick quite nicely.  That reminds me.  I
have used a number of paint strippers, and I have found one that is much
better than the rest: Sears brand.  It melts the paint right off.  Use
gloves because it removes flesh about as well.

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From: vandeweg@bbn.com (Mike Vande Weghe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Motorist discovers new way of passing bicyclist
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:39:10 GMT
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ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:

>I was headed north on Hwy 1 just past Marshall in Marin County (= narrow,
>twisty, rolling road) when some jerk in a motorhome tried a passing trick
>I hadn't seen before: he pulled over the double yellow line into the
>lane for oncomming traffic and just stayed there until someone appeared
>from the opposite direction, at which time he returned to his proper lane.

>Since he'd pulled this stunt just as we were cresting a hill, and my bicycle
>has a somewhat easier time with twisty descents than his motorhome, I was
>still beside him when he decided he'd had enough of playing chicken with
>whatever was around the next bend.  I was of course expecting nothing real
>bright from the guy by this time, so I hit the brakes when he started over,
>and nothing untoward came of it.

>The oncomming vehicle the jerk driver narrowly avoided hitting was another
>bicycle.  I bet its rider had an even more exciting time of it than I did.
>-- 
>****************************************************************************
>Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
>"Quayle in '94"		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"

This reminds of an accident that a riding partner of mine was in with
his brother.  The two of them were riding near the edge of the road at
a pretty good clip up a small hill.  A woman passing them decided to
give them lots of room, and pulled all the way across the yellow line
into the other lane.  She hit another vehicle head-on at the crest of
the hill, and her car was sent skidding backwards into the two
cyclists.  Luckily their injuries weren't too serious, although I
think both bikes were lost.

My friend said that the worst part about it was being forced by the
highway patrol officer to stay put (even in the puddle of anti-freeze
that was forming) until the ambulance arrived to check his injuries.

And to think, previously I had thought that the only danger to worry
about was cars not giving me *enough* room!

   -Mike
From: marcus@westminster.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Tao of Crashing
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:09:24 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster

In article <1992Oct12.030308.9650@leland.Stanford.EDU> dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds) writes:
>In article <45320004@hpmwgde2.sr.hp.com> budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren) writes:
>>tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>>
>>>No amount of training can compensate for the inability to react as
>>>fast as traffic accidents occur.
>>
>>But you neglect the time dilation phenomenon inherent in bike crashes.
>
>I think that this phenomenon is in fact largely an illusion.  There is
>no way for your brain to instantly start working faster, at the moment
>of an unexpected accident.  And there is no time for significant control
>over what your body will do; the neurons just don't work that fast.  A
>more likely explanation for the apparent "time dilation" is that in
>retrospect, our brains automatically reconstruct a coherent sequence
>of thoughts and events, which becomes our "memory" of what happened.
>There is no stopwatch in the brain that can time stamp each "thought"
>along with the corresponding events in the outside world; it takes a
>significant fraction of a second for a signal to propagate from one side
>of the brain to the other, so it isn't meaningful to talk about when a
>particular thought happens anyway.  You may end up with the memory that
>you did something for a particular reason, when in fact the reason
>occurred to you a second or so after it was all over.
>
>        - David Hinds
>          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu

But whose to say which is real: the observer's measurement of time or
the personal experience of time? Do you really know what 'time' is?
Is 'airport time' the same as 'weekend cycling time'?

Is there a quantum physicist in the house?

Marcus Harvey, University of Westminster IRS
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:51:46 -0400 
From: Sean.Smith@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Can you live exclusively on energy drinks?

Funny you should ask!

I was just reading an article from a recent issue of
the _Cornell Alumni News_ in which some scientists
from Cornell discuss their latest potato research, and
claim that a diet of potatoes and milk would provide
all human nutritional needs.

I can dig up the precise reference, if you'd like...

--Sean

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From: turgeon@systems.cc.fsu.edu (Fran Turgeon)
Subject: Knee Pronblem
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:34:22 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the right group but I have a question about
seat height/ frame size and knee trouble.

 I rode 50 miles on Saturday and about 30 min after getting off the bike
 I couldn't move my knee.  I started to notice it after about 35 miles
 but it didn't seem like something I shouldn't ride through.  I can't
 figure out what I could have done to cause this.  My bike is a tad
 to big: I ride a 21" and should probably use a 19-20" . I checked my
 seat height and its comfortable and seems to coincide with the "rules"
 for seat height.  Does any one have any ideas?  I've never had any
 real knee problems before - I am planning on doing my first century
 after the 1st of the year so I need to figure out what happened.
 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 
 Send replies to: turgeon@systems.cc.fsu.edu
                  turgeon@fsuavm.bitnet

Thanks.

-Frannie
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:31:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct6.142034.1@pomona.claremont.edu> mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>
>	Has anyone ever attempted to screw on some look cleats to the bottom
>of a pair of cross-country ski boots?  Dorky and freddish-looking, I know,
>but I think I'll try it next year...
>
	I was thinking of this also, although I wasn't planning to use Look
cleats.  I thought that xc ski boots would work well, since they are relatively
stiff (and I have a pair).  The toe extension might be too long to fit in my
toe clip, though.  

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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: : Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:27:06 GMT

Now I remember. It was the MSR Vapor Barrier Liner, or VBL, system.
           --mike
From: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:07:54 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research, Hopkinton, MA

As I have said in a previous post, I have a pair of neoprene socks
that I use in the winter over a pair of regular socks.  Then I wear my
regular shoes.  This keeps my feet nice and toasty and keeps out the
cold slush when they salt the roads.  I have always had problems
keeping my feet warm enough in the past.
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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:56:04 GMT

>>Has anyone seen anything that DOES make it possible to hear anything
>>while going 20 mph on a bike?  Perhaps earmuffs of microphone foam?

There's an article in the latest issue of _Human Power_ (IHPVA; address in the
FAQ) showing results from various wind blockers placed in front of the ears.
Bottom line: works great according to their tests (micropohone on a mannequin).

		;-D on  ( Mike the Mannequin )  Pardo
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From: rwt@ohm.york.ac.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: recumbents, winters, and training wheels...
Keywords: recumbent
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:37:59 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <1992Oct15.124238.9390@ohm.york.ac.uk> rwt@ohm.york.ac.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:

>^^^^^ 
>   again, a tricycle arrangement is very stable - far more so than a
>conventional bike. Talk to anyone who has tried to run a Trice over.
                                                    ^^^
                                                     |'
whoops, freudian slip, that should have been turn over ;'>

rwt

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From: mattf@cac.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Krytonite cable locks
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:54:22 GMT
Organization: U.W. Information Systems

In article <1992Oct7.164121.21313@cis.ohio-state.edu>, grichard@swimming.cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard III) writes:
> 
> Anyone have any experience with Kryptonite's cable locks?   Is there
> something inside that sleek black case besides your run-of-the-mill
> steel cable?   How's the lock itself?

I just met a woman last night who had her bike stolen a month ago. It
was locked with a kryptonite cable lock in a quite crowded area in
Seattle. The lock was left, cut clean through the cable.

	 -- Matt

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From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:37:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
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rickd@sequoiasequoia.com (Richard Dienel) writes:

>Another point that should be raised is that if you are wearing the
>foam or cup type of headphone, as opposed to the button type, not
>only are you impairing your hearing, but you are most likely not
>wearing a helmet. The first is foolish, the second, self-abuse.

I have no problem wearing foam type earphones and a helmet.  The over-the-
head-bit just goes at the back of the head instead of on top.  tuck
the lycra cover of the softshell helmet over it, and no worries.
  
And as for damaging hearing and/or not being able to hear traffic, 
I suppose some folks must have the volume turned way way up, but 
I find it is harder to hear the music over the traffic rather than
the other way around.

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From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Painting bicycles
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:13:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5418
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Oct9.144309.9368@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
<stuff deleted>
>
>Local auto paint supply shops will mix & activate Imron & similar
>paints & put them in spray cans for you.  I don't know the cost, but

<stuff deleted>

One thing to keep in mind about Imron and similar epoxy paints is that
they are extremely toxic.  If you spray them yourself, make sure you
use a good respirator and good ventilation, etc.

I think I'd pay a painter to use up his brain cells instead of mine.
I don't have many left as it is!

Jim
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From: davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn)
Subject: Re: The Tao of falling off a bike
Date: 07 Oct 92 19:59:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Ken Mayer writes:

>Falling in such a way that you habitually dissipate the energy
>instead of trying fight against it is much better .... I believe that 
>you can train your body to respond in this way. It will
>probably take a long time and lots and lots of practise. 

Not as much as you'd think.  I have only a few relevant data points,
thankfully, but one sticks out.  I took a YMCA judo class for a few
months when I was 11, wherein the first thing we learned was how to
fall.  Five years later, in high school gym class, I broke my ankle.
I was at a full speed run at the time, and my next step was supposed to 
be on that foot, which was clearly out of the question now, so I had only
some small fraction of a second to react.  Without thinking, I did a 
perfect shoulder roll right out of that old Judo class (and not practiced 
at all since), which put me lying down, stopped, holding my ankle, without
a scratch, scrape or bruise.  At the time I had other things on my mind, 
but in retrospect I was amazed at how it all came back to me when I needed
it, without thinking.  

So from my experience, it doesn't take long to get that pattern into your 
"muscle memory", and once there it stays available for a surprisingly long
time.  Which is good, because if you ever need it you won't have time to go
leafing through the manual.
From: rschetge%arrl.org (Bob Schetgen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Helmet stink (WAS Re: DO YOU shower after a commute?)
Keywords: remove helmet straps
Summary: How?
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:52:02 EDT
Organization: American Radio Relay League

I have a Bell Cyclone helmet and see no way to remove the 
straps for washing. So--how is it done?

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From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: speedplay pedal/lolipop pedals
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:23:28 GMT

Hi,

  Does anybody have any info about Speedplay pedals.  They look like lollipops.
A shop in town is carrying them, they seem to think they are really pretty cool.
The Speedplay are very light (175gm) and they say easy to get in and out of. 
your foot is also closer to the spindle than a Time pedal.  

  Has anybody used the pedals?  Any info?  Reviews? ect....


thanks,



-- 

>
Ron Feigen
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Sealed Hubs and the Rain
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:13:52 GMT

In <1992Oct7.193041.16111@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jsr@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Joe Riel 3752) writes:

>I commute by bike and dislike rebuilding the hubs after almost every 
>rainy day (even though there aren't a lot in San Diego).  
[....]
>I also have a mountain bike (don't use it for commuting) with Deore XT 
>hubs, these are called sealed but merely have a rubber gasket with a 
>normal cup and cone bearing, they do not seem to provide much
>protection from the rain.  

>A second question, do race mechanics rebuild (disassemble, clean, and
>regrease) all the hubs of their racers following a stage in the rain?
>I have a hard time believing they do, but my experience following a ride
>in the rain is that it seems necessary.  Maybe I'm using the wrong
>type of grease??

My commuting wheels have low-end SunTour hubs with conventional 
bearings and labyrinth seals.  Using plain old white lithium
grease I usually need to repack the bearings at most twice a
year when commuting and riding year-round in Seattle's
infamous rain, say every 5-7,000 miles on average.  My
experience with low-priced hubs is that old-fashioned
labyrinth seals, often called "sealed mechanisms," are much
more rain resistant than cartridge bearings, often called
"precision sealed bearings."  The seals on ordinary cartridge
bearings won't really do much against serious rainwater.
When I had hubs with 6001 type cartridge bearings, I'd need
new bearings much more frequently than I need to repack the
cheaper ones I use now.

On the pricier end of the market, Phil Wood hubs are reputed
to be nearly invulnerable to local weather, and I've seen
many decade-old Phil hubs still going strong under thick
layers of grime.  Maybe some day I'll spend enough to start
testing them for myself, but for now labyrinth seals and
lithium grease are the order of the day.

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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: : Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:49:41 GMT

A while ago a poster mentioned neoprene socks. Was this a reference to
neoprene booties, or actual socks? There's a pair of neoprene toe
covers listed in the Campmoor catalog, but I can't find full socks
anywhere...
     --mike
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From: frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Frank Williams)
Subject: Re: Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:41:42 GMT

Kurt Krueger (kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:
: mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
: 
: I was surprised no one mentioned the obvious (at least I didn't see it): shoe
: covers.  I don't know how anyone can ride in the cold without them.  I have a
: pair of Sidis that look like the time-trial ones that Banesto and other pro
: teams use, but there are also neoprene covers.  

The neoprene covers get me down into the 40's, but anything colder and I am
uncomfortable.  I made a pair of shoe covers using Gore-Tex shells and
thinsulate insulation.  With thinsulate shoe insoles, these well get me close
to 30 degrees.  I'm not bragging, though, because my toes still get
uncomfortably cold regardless of whether I use a vapor barrier.  This year,
I'm hoping to buy or make some electrically heated socks.  Any engineering
tips?
: 
: > 	Has anyone ever attempted to screw on some look cleats to the bottom
: > of a pair of cross-country ski boots?  Dorky and freddish-looking, I know,
: > but I think I'll try it next year...

Skiing and cycling treat the feet quite differently.  If I tried to pedal
using only the insulation that is adequate for skiing, the toes
would be dangerously cold within 20 min.  Last winter a similar thread
was kicked around.  Some claimed that extra ankle insulation cured their
cold feet.  Surely, it can't hurt.  It seems to me, though, that the toes
are just too stationary and the pressure on the ball of the foot too
persistent to compare cycling to skiing.  Gimmie electric socks.  I know
REI sells them but I don't know if they heat the whole foot or just the
toes.  : 

Don't tease me, now.  We Minnesotans can be defensive about winter weather!

Frank Williams
frank@molbio.cbs.umn.edu
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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: : Cold-Weather Footgear
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:59:05 GMT

In article <1687B6E15.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>A while ago a poster mentioned neoprene socks. Was this a reference to

Last I checked Nashbar had neoprene socks.  Also Mountain Equipment Co-Op
in Canada has gortex socks that are guaranteed to keep your socks (and
wallet at $45) dry.
  I have found booties to only be usable downto 5C at best (40F?) and below
that I start using my running shoes (solid leather) with a resistor chain
by the toes.  I have never found sock layers and/or plastic layers to work
for any temperatures below freezing.  This also includes large roomy boots.
As in all things, some people are more sensitive than others.
  - Eric
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