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From: chubbard@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Charles William Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Tracon II Info Wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:33:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov12.173315.19566
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland

I've seen a lot of Tracon posts here recently which has got me wondering
if I shouldn't blow the dust off my old copy and get back into it again. 
I've got one question though.  I've got the original version of Tracon,
now a few years old.  In that version the simulation lasts a set amount of
time (or is it a fixed number of planes?).  Anyway, I always thought it
would be nicer if the thing just ran continuously with the rates of
arivals and departures varying randomly or something.  As it is now the
play is always the same.  At first the traffic is light, heavy in the
middle, and then light again at the end.  Seems to me like more of a
steady state situation would be more realistic.  What is scheme on the
newest version?

thanks,

C.
From: griffith@acuson.com (Paul Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: TRACON II locations?
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acuson.1992Nov10.190800.25780
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California


	Speaking of TRACON II, does anyone out there own a copy
of RAPCON?!  I'm debating whether or not to convince my comp.
shop to order it.  Anyone have any comments on it?!  
I realize that apart from centre controlling, you also have the
option of 'talking pilots down the slope', how is this?!?
	Also any comments on the official training version of
TRACON would be greatly appreciated.
			-Paul

BTW: Tracon II is a great package, if you really enjoy punching
     holes in the sky with flight sims, take some time to see 
     what the perspective is from the controllers point of view.
     Tracon has given me hours of as much fun, stress, and enjoyment
     as Falcon3.
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: TRACON II locations?
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:07:24 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov10.190800.25780@acuson.com>, griffith@acuson.com (Paul 
Griffiths) writes:
> 	Speaking of TRACON II, does anyone out there own a copy
> of RAPCON?!  I'm debating whether or not to convince my comp.
> shop to order it.  Anyone have any comments on it?!  
> I realize that apart from centre controlling, you also have the
> option of 'talking pilots down the slope', how is this?!?
> 	Also any comments on the official training version of
> TRACON would be greatly appreciated.

I have RAPCON.  I have enjoyed it quite a bit.  I have alot of trouble
talking pilots down the glideslope, but I like it alot.

To talk pilots down the gs, you use the pageup and pagedown keys
as I remember.  (I haven't used since I changed systems to a 486).
This tells them they are above or below gs, and the return key tells
them they are on gs.  You have to talk all the time as if there is 
no transmission for 15 seconds they will execute a go around.

I like it because there is a mix of traffic from light a/c to high speed
jet traffic.  I'm going to re-install it tonight...


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: FS4 vs CY's Advanced Flight Trainer
From: sullivan@kenyon.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:03:53 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

Can someone give me an idea of the relative merits of FS4 versus Chuck Yeager's
Advanced Flight Trainer? 

Thanks,

Tim Sullivan (sullivan@kenyon.edu)

From: aland@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Aland Adams)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:55:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Mouse Yoke
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators

This product is the first of a new start-up here in Fort Collins.
One of the principals is a friend of my wife.  Anyhow, over the 
dinner table I learned that their first big order was with
Radio Shack.  I don't know if they are working with any major
catalogs yet.  So keep an eye out at R.S.
From: joshua@cs.washington.edu (Joshua Blacksher)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: dos simulator ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:13:32 GMT
Distribution: rec.aviation.simulators
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

where can i find an ftp site for a fun and easy dos flight sim ?
-thanks
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov (Owen S. Nishioka)
Subject: Re: Spectrum Holobyte Support - Poor
Organization: Nasa-Ames Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:33:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.203804.11160@microsoft.com> peted@microsoft.com (Peter Duniho) writes:
>support costs are much lower than Microsoft's.  Microsoft doesn't
>get any sort of break on the support costs just because they sell
>lots of software; since they have more customers to support, the
>support costs go up in lock-step with the number of copies sold,
>keeping the per-copy costs exactly the same whether Microsoft sells
>1000 copies or 1,000,000.
Actually they do.  If you were to sell a million copies of word, for
example, there would be user forum's like this one, discussing problems
that users have encountered using a particular program.  Once the
problem has been verified and hopefully solved, the solution is many
times publicly posted and discussed.  This form of discussion alleviates
a lot of the "FAQ's" that a company would otherwise recieve.  On the
otherhand, a program like Microstation which sells many fewer copies,
does not have public forum's on compuserve, etc. because far too few
people use the program to carry on meaningful discussions.

-----------------------------------------------------------
_|_|_|   _|    _|    owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov
_|  _|   _|_|  _| 
_|  _|   _|  _|_|    -These are my personal views...
_|_|_|   _|    _|     After all, who else would want 'em!
From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Tracon II Info Wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:37:53 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Nov12.173315.19566@serval.net.wsu.edu> chubbard@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Charles William Hubbard) writes:
>I've seen a lot of Tracon posts here recently which has got me wondering
>if I shouldn't blow the dust off my old copy and get back into it again. 
>I've got one question though.  I've got the original version of Tracon,
>now a few years old.  In that version the simulation lasts a set amount of
>time (or is it a fixed number of planes?).  Anyway, I always thought it
>would be nicer if the thing just ran continuously with the rates of
>arivals and departures varying randomly or something.  As it is now the
>play is always the same.  At first the traffic is light, heavy in the
>middle, and then light again at the end.  Seems to me like more of a
>steady state situation would be more realistic.  What is scheme on the
>newest version?

The Tracon II for DOS works the same way...  I guess the best way to 
model teh situation you are looking for would be to set about 40 or 50 aircraft
in 99 minutes...that would give you an hour and a half, at least.  :)
-- 
John Mechalas                                          "I'm not an actor, but
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 I play one on TV."
Aero Engineering, Purdue University                     #include disclaimer.h
From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: A-10 TK Question
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:27:00 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I am posting this for someone who can not post to this group for some 
technical reason:

Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 18:22:11 -0500
From: gt7621c@prism.gatech.edu (Frankie)
To: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
Subject: A10 Tank Killer

Hey John,
  You don't know me but I read the Aviation Simulator newsgroup quite often
and I have a question concerning Dynamix's A-10 Tank Killer; however, I
can;t post to the newsgroup from my Georgia Tech account so could you
either  #1) Tell me how to gain access to post   #2) Post my question
for me  or #3) Answer my question yourself.  
  My question concerns dodging the SAMS.  I can never survive those things.
I'll evade some of them but eventually wind up either getting shot down
or ditching the plane.  Do you have any advice for dodging SAMS in the A10?
How low should my altitude be?  What should my speed be?  When should
I launch countermeasures and when should I twist & turn?  etc... etc...
  Thanks,
  Frankie Thomason
  gt7621c@prism.gatech.edu

-- 
John Mechalas                                          "I'm not an actor, but
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 I play one on TV."
Aero Engineering, Purdue University                     #include disclaimer.h
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: TRACON Sector file:  DENVER (not Wesson's)
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:49:25 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Nov11.213345.21813@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, 
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
> The .sec format for Tracon II and Tracon for Windows are identical, as far 
as 
> I know.  But, just so you will know for sure, I tested your Denver sector on
> my Tracon II for DOS and it worked just fine.   :)
>   Nice work!

Ditto!


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: sandro@lhc.nlm.nih.gov(Michael D'Alessandro)
Subject: Falcon Books: Which is the Best?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:47:36 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


I've noticed at my local Software Etc. that there are several different
books dedicated to Falcon, with each proclaiming it is the final word
on the subject.  I'm looking to buy a book to improve my performance in
Falcon, and I'm interested to find out which books you've used and which
is the best.

Thanks!

Michael
From: pvf@alantec.com (Paul Fries)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: Mouse Yoke
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:55:31 GMT

frye@cerl.uiuc.edu (G. David Frye) writes:

>The product is called The Mouse Yoke, and it's manufactured by Colorado
>Spectrum.  List price is $34.95.  It was described in the December issue of
>MacWorld, page 284.  They say, "PROS: Clever engineering, quality materials
>in design and construction. CONS: Unpadded clamp could mar desktop; works
>poorly with driving or shooting games."

>It does work by strapping directly onto the system's mouse, and comes with
>instructions for configuring it for various programs and some specific info
>for FS4.  The company has also announced "The Mouse Wheel" for driving
>simulations.

>I haven't seen one, but it sounds like it's worth the money.  Anyone seen
>it mailorder?

Interestingly enough, a few years ago (like 4-5) I had an Atari ST
computer that was not able to use an analog type joystick.  In order
to try to get better control for flight simulators, I built something
that was remarkably similar to the Mouse Yoke.

My device consisted of a yoke made from PVC pipe.  The main shaft
(i.e. the one that would go into the instrument panel if you were
in a Cessna-like aircraft) had a large tin can mounted concentrically
upon it, so that the can was like a large diameter section of the
shaft.  The mouse sat on the can, with a bracket to hold it steady.
So, pushing/pulling the yoke activated the mouse ball in one direction
and turning the yoke operated the mouse ball in the other direction.

I gave up on the device after a while when it became apparent that the
mouse was too useful for other functions, like sizing and positioning
the windows, and activating various controls.

Eventually, I got a PC and used an analog joystick, which cost a little
more than the current cost of the Mouse Yoke, but could well be far
superior.  I don't know what is available for Macs and Amigas, but
if you have a PC, that is the way I would encourage you to go.

-- 


	Paul Fries
	pvf@alantec.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: tombros@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dimitrios Tombros)
Subject: Question on FAQs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:22:06 GMT

>If you are on a Sun workstation, there is a program called
>    'fltsim' (archived as 'fltsim.tar.Z').  The following sites are 
>    given by archie (I'll try and get IP addresses):
>
>      isy.liu.se  (130.236.1.3)
>         /pub/sunview
>
>      kth.se  (130.237.72.201)
>         /kth/misc
>
>      usc.edu  (128.125.253.136)
>         /pub
>
>      walhalla.germany.eu.net 
>         /pub/windows/sunview

I downloaded everyone of these files on my SPARC station 1 and when I tried
tar -xvf <filename> I got for everyone of them a checksum error.
What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for any suggestions!

Dimitris
From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Logging flight time:  dual and/or pic
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:34:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: taligent.BxIME3.GJr
Distribution: usa
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.

In article <BxGxJ1.DFH@spdg.com> jallred@spdg.com (John Allred) writes:
>
>For example, I'm currently working on my instrument rating.  Since I'm
>a private pilot (or better) and sole manipulator of the controls, I
>can log PIC.  Since I am under instruction (from a CFII), I can log
>dual.
>
>Since there are PIC time requirements for higher ratings and licenses,
>it would be to my advantage to log this instrument instruction time as
>PIC.  However, the Designated Examiner for my checkride might want to
>see dual time for instrument instruction.

It's easy: you log both.  They are not mutually exclusive; I have plenty
of PIC-and-Dual time in my logbook.
--
-- Christophe

"I draw the line at Styrofoam packing kernels, you sick pervert."
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: spart@well.sf.ca.us (Richard Soennichsen)
Subject: Re: 3 letter codes
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.184058.15977@cascade.Stanford.EDU> eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>Does anybody have a list of the 3 letter airport codes?
>
>Specifically, I'd like to know where STC is....
>
>anybody?
>Thanks!
>-Eric
>



	STC is:  St. Cloud MN

		St. Cloud Municipal Location:  4533N/0940W
		Loran N45*32.72' W094*03.50'  ELE 1024
From: jac@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Judy Cadmus)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:34:19 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Devon Engineering Offices

In article <1dbvphINNotc@pongo.West.Sun.COM> brianh@smaug.West.Sun.COM (Brian Horn) writes:
>In article <15344@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>>I don't know any rich pilots.
>

Most of the pilots I know make great sacrifices to be able to fly.  Why, my
husband and I even used some of our wedding gift money toward maintenace of
our airplane.  After all, you can't fly fine china, silverware, crystal, etc.
:^) :^) :^)



-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Judy Cadmus  PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Skylane N42202                                  jac@asns.tredydev.unisys.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: psv2b@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Peter S. Vines)
Subject: Re: 3 letter codes
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.184058.15977@cascade.Stanford.EDU> eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>Does anybody have a list of the 3 letter airport codes?
>
>Specifically, I'd like to know where STC is....
>
>anybody?
>Thanks!
>-Eric
>
Access duat.contel.com (131.131.7.105) and use the decode function.


--
- Peter Vines : vines@virginia.edu : (804) 924-4644 : University of Virginia
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: mandrews@netcom.com (Mark R Andrews)
Subject: Re: Handheld scanners (not in faq)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:01:09 GMT

randy@rls.UUCP (randall l. smith) writes:


>I'm interested in purchasing a handheld aviation scanner and don't have
>alot of $$$ to burn while at the same time, don't want some el-cheapo
>unit that will break or require upgrading as my requirements increase.
>Yes, I want it all and I don't/can't pay for it.  So sue me. :-)


I have the $140 nonamebrand scanner from Skyline 1-800-327-4568, it does
a pretty good job, though it's a bit fiddly to use. Then there is the
Sony which is easier to use, does AM/FM aswell as airband but is more
expensive. The cheapest I've seen has been sporty's pilot shop. (I
think it was on sale recently but I can't remember how much, but 
definitely a lot cheaper than the Radio Shack offering.

Mark Andrews
mandrews@netcom.com

Xref: sparky rec.aviation:17152 rec.aviation.misc:488
From: tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:36:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov5.153642.20169
Organization: AT&T

In article <greg.720901459@saltydog> greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>[Description of "GA ignorant" type railing about small planes/bozo
>pilots/rich people/etc.]
>
>I hope not to offend but...is this just a California thing, or what?  I've
>never been in a situation where a non-pilot trashed GA and I've had to
>defend it.
>
>Quite the opposite, actually.  Every time I've struck up a conversation with
>someone about flying they've always been enthusiastic to hear about it.
>Most of them are dying to go flying (sorry) with me, or anyone else, and when
>they do the grin doesn't disappear for weeks.
>
>Perhaps it's the Midwest, where I think a lot more of your basic
>"good-old-boys" go flying (and where it's a lot more afforable than,
>say, $an Jo$e (hee hee)).  Hell, everyone goes flying around here.

    Well, I ran across someone who lived out in a very sparsely populated
    area and was cussing out small planes that dared to come any where 
    near his home.

    He went so far as to threaten to shoot at the next "SOB" that flew over
    his house.

    I then told him that I was a pilot, explained the 500 ft. rule
    and said if I ever heard of any one shooting at a plane in his area
    I would be calling the sherrif and relaying his threats.

    So not even the "midwest" is free of these kind of people.
-- 
	-----------------------------------------------------------------
	Tom Lester				att!cblph!tel
	Sonerai IIL (under TEST)		(614) 860-3259
	N4LX 					(614) 927-8106
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: kcollett@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Kendall Collett)
Subject: Re: "We're in the pipe, five by five"
Organization: Motorola MCG, Urbana Design Center
	<1992Oct31.200449.6130@gvl.unisys.com>
	<1992Nov03.022817.29215@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:15:45 GMT

Could 5x5 be the cross-sectional dimensions of the "pipe"?  (Not sure
what the units would be...)
--
Kendall Collett	     			kcollett@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Motorola MCG, Urbana Design Center	uiucuxc!udc!kcollett
1101 East University Avenue		(217) 384-8593
Urbana, IL  61801
From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: public perception of
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:32:20 GMT
Organization: your service

>    I've watched that show for a year now and I've only seen her 
> plane in the background once. Perhaps we should start a letter 
> writing campaign to get the writers to let her fly more often?

----------

The only time I'VE seen her plane, she and Joel were in it, and
the engine failed!  Great PR!
From: welke@nscl00.nscl.msu.edu (Gerd Welke)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Flying Clubs near Detroit
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:12:00 GMT
Organization: NSCL Michigan State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am interested in obtaining a private pilot's license. Can anyone
recommend a reputable club near Southfield, NW of Detroit?
Gerd Welke
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Re: Width of stall doors?
Summary: How wide should a stall door be?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: barn
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:47:00 GMT

From what I understand from the barn building companies I've contacted so far,
four foot wide gates are pretty standard. I have small Arabs and ponies and
wouldn't consider using a 3 foot gate. There is no way a grown person and a
horse can go through a gate that narrow without the person getting stepped
on. Contact the Wicks, Bonanza, Morton building people in your area to get
some "ammunition" to throw at your builder. His barn-building experience is
probably very limited.

I would also question putting the two stall doors next to each other if the
horses can reach over them, because the horses may fight with each other if
they don't get along.

Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tara@wam.umd.edu (Tara)
Subject: arthritis
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:58:16 GMT

Hi all,
	I just want some imput from anyone who has dealt with an 
arthritic horse.  My organization, the University of Maryland
Equestrian Association, has been approaced with a possible donation.
However the horse has arthritis.  She is a 15yr old mare who is 
postively "bomb-proof" and would possibly fit into our organization.
The owner did say that on cold/wet days she could not be cantered...due
to her condition.
	Are horses are not overworked (not by a long shot!) and so
this mare would have a relatively "cushy" job.  I just want to know,
and get imput from others, on how arthritis could effect a horse and
any long term effects (would the horse's condition worsen with age?).
	Private e-mail is fine.


             ,--, | University of Maryland Equestrian Association 
       _ ___/ /\| |
   ,;`( )__, )  ~ | Horses: Quaker, Bud, Playboy, Tommy, Casey, Darla
  //  //   '--;   | 	    Nehi, Classy, Dee, Vern
  '   \     |     | 
tara@wam.umd.edu  |         


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: butlet@aix.rpi.edu (Timothy James Butler)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:38:41 GMT

Before you all get too high and mighty about disapproving
horse racing, just remember that there are a lot of animal rights
activists that think any type of riding is abusive.

It may be easy to defend against those types of beliefs in your
own minds, but it all boils down to a question of degree. It would
be a small step further for the jumpers to say that the eventers
are too hard on horses, (and actually have alot of validity to their
argument). Then the dressage people could say that all jumping is too
hard on the horses, and it goes on ad infinitum.

Remember, about your own opinions, there will always be someone
that feels your opinion is extreme, and someone else whose opinion
is more extreme.

tim butler

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: tail rubbing
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.214310.28494@cbnews.cb.att.com>, kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kath
> Does anyone out there have some advice on causes/prevention of tail
> rubbing?
> ...
> Kathy Wilber and Daleilah

I've even used Listerine for simple "itching" in the tail area with no
other symptoms. Seems to help.

Good Luck! ;-)