HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vandezande@inland.com
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Off-Leash Area for Dog Owners
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:51:30 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <Bx761J.12D@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> peed@rtsg.mot.com (Andrew Peed) writes:
> : In article <BwzqrC.Kw3@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> : >I do pay property taxes that the government pisses away on enough unnecessary
> : >rubbish.  We don't need taxpayer supported pets trashing up the environment.
> : 
> :I justify my right to generate rubbish by paying taxes.  

First you whine about the goverment generating rubbish with your taxes,
then you insist you have the right to generate rubbish by paying taxes.
Your logic escapes me.

>Dogs have no rights
> other than to be left alone 

Well, it never occurred to me to grant dogs the right to generate rubbish by
paying taxes.  Perhaps you have a point.

>and if they were left alone, they would be gone
> just like most wild life.... 

In Lincoln park, both squirrels and pigeons outnumber dogs hundreds to one, 
and nobody cleans up after them.  This is another urban crisis the government 
absolutely refuses to confront.  Filthy liberal cowards.

>nevermind cancel that, it;s too early and I
> really dislike domestic dogs and their impact on the environment.  If 
> people can not contain a pet on their own property, they have no right
> to impinge on mine or public, property.
> 
> js
>  

You are implying that because I contain a pet on my property that I have
a right to impinge on your property?  Party at Jack's house!  But leave
at least one pet at home.


							Joe V.
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: Cliff Chaput <chaput@ils.nwu.edu>
Subject: Our President
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7203E427D01649B@mac1155.ils.nwu.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:22:42 GMT
Organization: Institute of Learning Sciences, Northwestern University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:25:06 GMT

Whether you like President-Elect Clinton or not, he is going to be our
next president, and it would be a good idea to follow the advice of
all three candidates and rally behind the man that this nation picked
to be its leader.  Bickering over an election which has come and gone
will only damage morale.  The important issues now are what Clinton
does as president, not what he has done as governer, what he might
do as a democrat, or what he ever does as a citizen.

Give the man a chance.

Cliff Chaput                   | "The scribes on all the people shove
Institute of Learning Sciences |  and bawl alliegence to the state.
Northwestern University        |  But they who love the greater love
chaput@ils.nwu.edu             |  lay down thier lives; they do not hate"
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:04:36 GMT

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>In your obvious hatred for George Bush and his administration, you
>seem to have completely overlooked what you chose in his place.  Four
>years from now, Clinton will be so much a lame duck that Jimmy Carter
>will seem to have been strong by comparison.  I just hope he doesn't
>so damage the country that it takes another 12 years to undo it.

We are really screwed with Clinton.  

His home state is on the bottom of the pile for average salary,
education, teachers salary, insurance claims, lawsuits, etc.

We're screwed.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: What happened to Brandmier?
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:35:20 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

This is in reply to dom@vpnet.chi.il.us (Dominick Gatto), who wrote:
:I've been listening to Steve and Gary and trying to like them,
:but they just haven't tickled my funny bone yet. This morning
:they were talking to a guy who was trying to teach them how to
:talk Jamacan. Then they were talking to the expedition team
:sailing the Tahitian Triangle without navagational equiptment.
:I didn't laugh once.


Well, Dominick, this is definitely the diff between me and you.
I was listening to Steve and Garry and Stan doin the Jamaican thing
and I howled.  Especially Stan tryin to get Steve in trouble with
the FCC over the lyrics to the CD he brought in for "translation."

:
:I've listened to Howard Stern a little too. The shock value of
:some of the things he said made me laugh, but that's his only
:funny schtick.
:
:I like Brandmier because his show goes at a mile a minute. 


Yes, everybody likes that about Johnny B., his hyperactivity.  I
don't, and shocking humor doesn't strike me as funny.

As I said before, in the radio business, pleasing one out of three
ain't bad at all.

Aaron
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: rubis@gagme.chi.il.us (Dave Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Off-Leash Area for Dog Owners
Originator: rubis@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:05:41 GMT

In article <BxAwr2.21L@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|rubis@gagme.chi.il.us (Dave Svoboda) writes:
|: In article <Bx761J.12D@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|: |I really dislike domestic dogs 
|: 
|: News flash, Jack.  Few if any dogs are practicing Jews.  You don't
|: have to hate them, too.
|
|Thank you Mr Chutzpanazi.

Oh, Jack, maybe you didn't understand what I meant.  It was probably too
inflammatory.  Allow me to apologize.  Let me put it another way:

I just don't see how domestic dogs fit into your Zionist Conspiracy fantasies,
that's all.

Oh, and Jack, thank *you*.  You really made my week.  Being called a Nazi
by Mr. Jack "Mein Kampf" Schmidling himself, that's quite an honor.

		Svoboda
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Date: 4 Nov 92 14:11:57 GMT
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia

In article <Bx6wvJ.1x8@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov3.232047.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> maxwell@fnalo.fnal.gov writes:
>>>(ahem)
>>>
>>>Thank you Illinois.
>>>
>>>Thank you California.
>>>
>>>Thank you, America.
>>>
>>>blissed-out.max
>>>
>>	Note: Clinton's first action as president will be to violate his 
>>promise that he would remain governor for his full term. A bad omen I think.
>
>What more damage could Clinton possibly do to his home state?

Bitter and spiteful to the end.  Gotta love it!

>
>-- 
>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
>keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

	-Phil
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Newsgroups: chi.general,rec.pets.dogs
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: Off-Leash Area for Dog Owners
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:39:46 GMT

In article <BxAwI2.1zr@ddsw1.mcs.com>
     arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
     ^^^
A login like "arf", and he hates dogs? :-) 

>Let me sum up my thoughts by quoting the sign on my parkway....
>       I don't CRAP in YOUR yard.

>Bringing YOUR dog over to crap in MY yard is a
>good example of what is wrong with the world today.

>End of quote....

>Paying taxes does not give you the right to allow your dog to shit on
>my ;property.  Extending this to "public" property just removes the guilt
>and increses the shit.

Funny, I seem to recall that the original article (now expired on my
system, sorry) specified that the proposed off-leash area would be
maintained by the dog owners...the main maintenance being cleaning up
after their dogs.  Of course, responsible dog owners do this already,
when their dogs defecate on property that is not their own.  But hey,
there are irresponsible dog owners who don't, so let's penalize them
all, right?  Never mind that there are already laws in most places that
require dog owners to clean up after their pets.  And never mind that
designated "dog areas" might actually reduce the number of dogs (and
their effects) in areas frequented by non-dog people...

While we're at it, there are irresponsible hams who transmit out of
band, or otherwise cause interference.  Let's do away with ham radio,
eh Jack?  Why should the taxes of non-hams fund the FCC's amateur
radio functions?  I sure hope *you* never caused any TVI...

Rational folks, please realize that I'm not really calling for an end
to Amateur Radio.  I'm a ham, myself (and I try to be a responsible
one.  But then, I clean up after my dogs, too.)

Roberta
AA2KZ

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From: dbk@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Dan Keith)
Newsgroups: chi.general,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Walter Jacobsen's a Fool; WOD reporting on Chicago's CBS News.
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:49:48 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Emergent Systems

Last night (Wed, Nov 11), I decided to watch the local news to see what
perceptions are being fed to the masses (I try to read the paper or listen
to NPR for my news, normally). On channel 2, Walter Jacobsen was having one
of his "Special" reports. This one involved he and the guv'nor going
downstate and watching the army (or was it the national guard) burn up
ditchweed.

The funny part was that Walter introduced the segment with a statement
along the lines of:
   Marijuana is known to scientists as a "getaway" drug, meaning that it
   leads to harder stuff, such as crack and heroin.
Not only is he repeating another drug myth, he's repeating it incorrectly.
It's supposed to be a "gateway" drug (which it isn't).

Oh well, I thought it was funny (and sort of sad).

Fact: Saliva is known to be fatal, but only when swallowed in small amounts
over a long period of time.

Fact: Mother's milk is a gateway drug. Studies have shown that a large
percentage of drug addicts initially started with it.


-- 
   Dan "Bud" Keith dbk@odesta.com
...and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
- Better to be an active pacifist, than a passive activist.
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:23:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.020252.11192@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In the first place, if you think that Quayle's gonna be a GOP player,
>you're on drugs.  Bob Dole is the only name you'll hear in '96.

I agree that Danny Quayle has about as much chance as I do of being
the GOP's nominee in '96, but there are going to be a lot of other
names besides Bob Dole being kicked around.  Just for starters I
can think of Jack Kemp, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, and Jim Baker.

I am sure there will be others, how many of us would have bet on 
Bill Clinton to win this election in 1988 ?

>Secondly, by the time that '96 rolls around, I expect that most people
>will have become so displeased with Clinton that he'll have a tough
>time surviving the Democratic challengers.  He's so poised for failure
>it's almost funny.

Well, we'll have to see about this.  Personally, I would liken his
position to Ronald Reagans first term.  Only time will tell.

Guido

Newsgroups: chi.general
From: wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: Net Feed Wanted!
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:37:27 GMT

In article <krikket.0dfp@amiganet.chi.il.us> krikket@amiganet.chi.il.us (Doug Krick) writes:
>Hello all...
>
>There is a relatively good chance that I may be moving within the near future
>to Chicago, which means that I'll be looking for a new site to get my Net Feed
>from, if anyone is willing to do so.  (This way I can prevent having to call
>Naperville from Chicago every day, racking up my phone bills big-time...)

Doug, as I have recommended to many before, my strong suggestion is to
try gagme, public access unix.  If you are seeking a great user
acount, featuring netnews (well over 1000 groups), e-mail, shell
access, uucp and ftpmail acces, and a friendly, helpful sysadmin
(Greg).  They have 4 (or is it 5) incoming lines and Greg is usually
open th assisting with your needs as much as poossible.

Rates:

Free: A call to the newuser lines will get you a free month of full
Usenet access and the other services (except uucp and ftpmail).  After
the month you can continue as a local user (no more access to global
Usenet, but your shell access, e-mail and local newsgroup access
remains) 

-OR-

Contributor:  For $50 a year your Usenet feed remains, and uucp is
allowed.  I also believe that contributers get acess to an additional
line for calling in.

As for a 'feed' for your home system, you will have to discuss that
with Greg, but chances are that he can help.

There are other pub-access systems in the area, but none offer what
gagme does (IMHO).  Call 312-282-8606 to login or send greg e-mail at
greg@serveme.chi.il.us.

Good luch in your move.

William Pfeiffer

>And thanks in advance!

You are welcome.


>-----
>Krikket (a.k.a. Doug Krick)  krikket@amiganet.chi.il.us
>                                     ^^^^^^^^
>Note address change!  This is temporary, until the Net feed to Meltdown
>is reparired!


Newsgroups: chi.general
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:27:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid) writes:
>The US is probably now at a real crossroads in its history: for most of
>this century it has had the great advantage of an industrial base that was
>never seriously damaged in war, and hence had continous high levels of
>national output. That advantage is now longer so relevant, since it is now
>nearly 50 years since the last major war. Given that the competition is now
>catching up (and in some cases passing the US), it is proably now or never
>if the US is to do anything to improve its relative economic standing.

	Hey, John, I know!  The US could declare war on all the industrial
nations of the world!  We could bomb them back into a primitive state, and
set up a new Marshall Plan, so that...  whoops, sorry, wrong administration.

:^)	:^)	


	But seriously, folks...

	It's good to see that people from the other industrial nations are
taking an interest in US politics.  In the new climate, we may decide that
we have something to learn from them.
 

-- 
== John J. Ladasky II ("ii") ========================= ladasky@netcom.COM ==
"Great composers do not borrow -	     "Talking about music is like
 they steal."  - John Ladasky	      ~ -     dancing about architecture."
(quote stolen from Stravinsky, who    o o     - Elvis Costello?  Laurie
 stole it from a statement made by     >        Anderson?  Frank Zappa?
 Pablo Picasso about painting, who    \_/    -------------------------------
 stole it from...)			     "Property is theft." - Groucho
============================================================================
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From: frankm@ampex.com (Frank Martyn)
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:56:16 GMT
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA

In article <Bx8s7q.1Cw@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>>In your obvious hatred for George Bush and his administration, you
>>seem to have completely overlooked what you chose in his place.  Four
>>years from now, Clinton will be so much a lame duck that Jimmy Carter
>>will seem to have been strong by comparison.  I just hope he doesn't
>>so damage the country that it takes another 12 years to undo it.
>
>We are really screwed with Clinton.  
>
>His home state is on the bottom of the pile for average salary,
>education, teachers salary, insurance claims, lawsuits, etc.
>
>We're screwed.
>
>-- 
>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
>keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry

Well Larry, at least we know where Clinton's home state is.  Good old George can't
seem to make up his mind.  I hear the reason George spent so much time travelling
the country the last couple days of the contest was because he couldn't remember where
he was registered to vote.  I guess he finally figured it out though.  Can't beat
those apartments in state tax free Texas.

It's nice to finally have someone in the White House who knows that "Fleetwood Mac"
is a group of musicians, not a model of truck.

Freewheelin' Frank
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From: budd@playfair.Stanford.EDU (David Budd)
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:24:21 GMT
Organization: Stanford University

In article <1992Nov5.021619.26869@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> albert@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert) writes:
>
>After 12 years of the most bloated deficit spending, and most oppressive 
>censorship that this country has seen since the McCarthy era, can things 
>really get worse under Clinton?


The most opressive censorhip since McCarthy has been anything but the
by-product of President Reagan. The few examples of Repub. censorship
I recall are the banning of two-live crew in florida (not a national
policy, but ridiculous nonetheless) and the closing of the mapplethorpe
exhibit in cincinnati.

on the other hand, we HAVE had several speech-codes, very dangerous in the
general case, but even more destructivew on college campuses, passed
by democratic, liberal leaders in education. to deny that free
speech and discourse have been stifled on college campuses is
to ignore the truth.
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism
From: ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat)
Subject: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Summary: Approx. 70%, I believe...
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance, short-term notes
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.010923.26989@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael
Zimmers) writes:
>I don't remember what amount of the debt is kept in short-term notes,

Interestingly enough, Perot brought this up just before the election.  I
believe some 70% of the debt is in notes that come due in 7 years or less.
When it comes to business figures like this, I'm willing to believe Perot.

		Dave Ihnat
		ignatz@homebru.chi.il.us (preferred return address)
		ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: rubis@gagme.chi.il.us (Dave Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Off-Leash Area for Dog Owners
Originator: rubis@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:05:55 GMT

In article <BxFoz4.6C9@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|rubis@gagme.chi.il.us (Dave Svoboda) writes:
|
|: I just don't see how domestic dogs fit into your Zionist Conspiracy fantasies,
|: that's all.
| 
|I am afraid that was your idea and you are going to have to provide the
|fit.

Oh, oh.

|However, just to make my position clear, I have no fantasies about Zionist
|Conspiracies.

Oh, no!

|Perhaps you missed the news this week...
|
|American Israel Public Affairs Committee...
|is in total control of Clinton's transition team.

Whew!

|If it is not bad enough that a foreign country is dictation the makeup of
|the next administration, it is even worse that this story was not reported
|on a single evening TV news show, weekend news or anywhere other than
|the VOA and a few obscure newspapers.
|
|Fantasy my ASS!

Boy, am I relieved!  I thought you might NOT prove my point.  But, I should've
known you'd come through in the end.

|I didn't call you a Nazi, I called you a Chutzpanazi 

Well, it's close enough.  A bunch of my friends have already congratulated me
on the honor.  Thanks again.  

|and you just qualified
|a second time for the title.

Oh, Jack, you shouldn't have!  I wear the title with pride.

|For the record....
|
|Chutzpanazi, n., [a tired insult made up by some Fascist idiot]

Funny, Jack.  That word doesn't seem to appear in my dictionary.

		Svoboda
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From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:51:40 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <1992Nov5.063205.25348@bohra.cpg.oz.au> johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid) writes:
    >The US is probably now at a real crossroads in its history:
    >for most of this century it has had the great advantage of an
    >industrial base that was never seriously damaged in war, and
    >hence had continous high levels of national output. That
    >advantage is now longer so relevant, since it is now nearly
    >50 years since the last major war. Given that the competition
    >is now catching up (and in some cases passing the US), it is
    >proably now or never if the US is to do anything to improve
    >its relative economic standing. US economic might has been
    >largely based on military industries, and in the post Cold
    >War world these are no longer so relevant. The challenge is
    >to increase the civilian economy's share in the high tech,
    >high value end of the the nation's activities (as is
    >currently the case in Japan, for example).

"Never seriously damaged by war"?

Golly, wonder how Germany and Japan managed to do what they did?

Quick, somebody bomb the shit out of us! Start with D.C. first though ...



-- 
Ah, thanks Gert, for that excellent recycling job [of Petra].

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
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From: bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger)
Newsgroups: chi.general,ba.politics,alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:37:39 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <Bx8s7q.1Cw@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>
>We are really screwed with Clinton.  
>
>His home state is on the bottom of the pile for average salary,
>education, teachers salary, insurance claims, lawsuits, etc.
>
>We're screwed.
>
Hmm.  Let's think of these same statistics and see if we can't come up with
any other interpretations.

Things were bad when Clinton went into office, they improved a bit while 
he was in office, but they didn't get worse.  Let's compare that to the 
administration of George Bush:  Things were ok when he went into office, 
they fell apart while he was in office. 

Think how screwed we would have been if we had kept Bush in office.  Either
that or compare apples to apples.

-Bob