From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Reply to seyyed's reply...
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:29:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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seyyed writes (to aref) about me:

>If he was "reasoning" then it was a different problem. But he is just playing
>the role of a "joker". How can one convince a joker like him?

seyyed, if you choose to actively promote your version of eslaam on a
public forum, then you have to be prepared to handle _all_types_.
joker and all.  and believe me, i can play a different role too.  the
fact that this whole debate took the turns that it took, is purely due
to my mirroring _your_ actions, one by one.

in fact, our discussion started on civil, logical terms, but once you
ran thru the cycle of 'Standard Arguments', and failed to convince
anyone, you resorted to name calling, a challenge which i took you up
on - primarily for its theraputic benefits.

you still dont understand that im trying to help you.  i set out to
prove to you that your approach to preaching does not work.  that you
need to tone down; that you need to be much more civil about
disagreements;  that name calling and intimidation backfire; and im quite
happy to see that ive somewhat succeeded in this regard, considering
your recent posts to my bahayee friends.  we all know you sure didnt 
start out that way.  

>> which brought you out of hybernation, and without any provocation
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> whatsoever, you restarted your attacks:
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>Did you think that your insults toward other Moslems and Islam will be
>unanswered? 

wrong, wrong, wrong again.  its not "Moslems and Islam", dont you dare
hide behind _that_ thin disguise.  all my criticism was addressed to
_you_ and _your_ version of eslaam, and _your_ barbaric approach.

> I promise this is the LEAST you are going to get.

i think your algorithm is pretty evident now: when your logic falls
short, you resort to insults, if someone challenges you on that front
too, you resort to threats.  well, seyyed, with this threat you have
now truly proven before all that _your_ version of eslaam belongs in
the dark ages.  you really think this threat will help your cause
any???  and im still awaiting for replies from people who've become
interested in eslaam because of your posts.  where are they, huh?
you still dont realize how much damage youve done to your religion
do you?  if you concentrated more on approach and substance, and less
on trying to 'win' debates and get that 'mental orgasm' youd be much
further ahead now.  

zafar, im truly sorry that _your_ (far more moderate)
version of eslaam is being defamed by this fanatic's irresponsible
behaviour.

>Not only you are a real "bi-savAd", 

hey, i never claimed to know much farsi (having left iran at 15), but
for someone like you who 'haarto poort's so much, you sure made an ass
of yourself by doubting my claim!

> but you are also a big liar and an 
>absolutely unreliable worthless man. Let me refresh your memory with one
>of your previous posts:

[  the parody on Nike's "Just Do It!" slogan deleted ]

let me get this straight seyyed, are you basically saying that im a
liar because i posted a _parody_ ??????   man, you are truly gasping
for air here!  is this really the best you could come up  with to make
me sound like a liar???  i can only assume that youre PO'd because you
were fooled by it!  listen mr logic, do you think i would name the
president of Nike shoe copmany mr "kafaash" if i was serious????
anyway, its understandable, considering you didnt get the 
es'haal - speed-reading connection either.  how about the lirpA story?

a more important question is this: why are these people so lacking in
the humor department???  i wonder, has _anyone_ ever seen a mollah
or akhound laugh???  how about just happy???  the tape of an akhound 
smiling would sure land Iran's Rarest Video's 10,000 LirpA award.

>By the way, please look up in your magic persian dictionary for the word 
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hmmmm.  im not sure what you are saying, but i think by "magic"
dictionary you are implying that i made that dictionary quote up.  i
can give you the name of the book if you like.  but make sure you dont
'accidentally' run into this one at the library like you ran into the
book on Bahaism too.  all this accidental running into books could 
leave nasty scars!

and gee seyyed, what is it with you? when im serious,
you think im joking, when im joking, you think im serious.  you keep
_missing_ the points... i bet by now youve piled up enough 
SCI Frequent Miss Miles for a trip around the world!

>I thought you meant "samandar", but now that you have 
>such a wonderful dictionary, maybe you can find a meaning for "salamandar" 
>too.

whooops, youre right.  i screwed up.  i typed salamandar in both 
columns.  hey, ill be the first to admit it when im wrong.  but you 
apparently have serious problems with that concept.