From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETYdir
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:19:36 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<1992Apr6.185821.7399@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) said:
>In <1992Mar30.203505.1@amherst.edu> dlcraft@amherst.edu (deb, just deb) writes:
>
>>Okay, I know that this posting has been already flamed to death, but there
>>was one comment made that I really *had* to respond to:
>
>   Don't flatter yourself or your colleagues dear... I don't think I have
>been flamed to death in the least. That would imply that I have been burned,
>disproved, and otherwise humbled by your postings, and that just isn't
>the case. 

Like a fetus, he doesn't have enough nerve endings to feel the heat.

>>By denoting the other Catholics on this newsgroups as "catholics," thereby
>   What is wrong with denoting Catholics as catholics? Do you mean heretics?
>I am afraid that I don't get this point. Just because I forgot to 
>capitolize the "c"?

Many people use capitalization as a form of reverence or respect.

>>implying that you deny their claim to the distinction, you indicate an 
>>appalling close-mindedness that has plagued organized religion almost since
>   No, I do not. However, I do ascertain that a Catholic who does not
>abide by the Catholic concepts and values has modified his religion to
>meet his own needs. Thus, he/she has created a religion that he/she is
>comfortable with, but it is not necessarily catholic. There are fundamental
>concepts that cannot be touched within our church, and one of these is
>the right to life. No IFS, ANDS, or BUTS about it my friend. The right
>to life is precious, and not to be toyed with.

Was this a "fundamental concept" that existed during the time of the
Inquisition, or the Witch Burnings, or the Crusades?  Just wondering 
when this "fundamental concept" that "can't be touched" was changed.

>>its beginning.  What gives you the right to claim that somebody else is not
>>really a Christian just because they don't adhere to your beliefs?  Granted,
>   It's not my beliefs i am concerned about. It's God's guidelines. The word
>of God tells us to defend all souls. 

The "word of god" also tells you to hate your parents.  It also tells you
that no illegitimate son may enter the kingdom of heaven.  Who ended up
marrying Mary?

>                                     I don't give one flying **** if they
>believe what I believe. But, to call yourself a Catholic, you must follow
>the teachings of Christ. Period

Start hating our parents then.

>>the things you say about abortion being murder follow the Catholic hierarchy's
>>point of view.  But, when it comes down to the crux of it, they are merely
>>human just like the rest of us, and none of them know any better than we
>>do what it means to truly be a good Christian.  Only Christ knows that, and
>   Once again, they are human, but God is not. God has told us to defend our
>weakened members, and deny NO ONE the right to live. We shall not judge against
>any one else in our society, regardless of their political, financial, social
>or physical stature. Please remember that.

Didn't your god also inform the Pope at one time that the earth was the
center of the solar system?  That the sun revolved around us?  Seems like
you never know what this god is going to say next, eh?

>>I know that not all devout Catholics (as I'm sure you see yourself) are as
>>exclusionary as you.  One of my closest and dearest friends is a Catholic
>>born and raised, and an adamant pro-lifer, but she would never belittle
>>someone else's faith in the way you have just done.  I (as one of those 
>   I belittle no one's faith. 

We'll remember you said this.  Since I an an Atheist I'll be sure to watch
out for your belittling remarks.

>>rather controversial anti-abortion but pro-choice Christians who is used to
>>having people like you deny my right to calling myself a Christian) accept 
>    I can't say I know enough abou;all entities of the Christian faith, so
>I cannot judge the statement of a "pro-choice Christian" but there is no
>such thing as a "pro choic catholic". NONE. Sorry, Bzzzzttt, you lose. 
>I am not judging another human being by saying this. God tells us. 

God tells eah of you individually?

>And you know what? It makes sense...

Please expain how?  Especially since the biggest mass murderer in print is
supposed to be telling you this.

>>her beliefs, just as she accepts mine.  We know that we will never agree
>>on our stances, and both of us work to further our own viewpoints.  I look
>>up to her in many ways, and frequently am amazed by her conviction, her
>>gentleness, and the depth of her faith.  BUT, she would *never* dream of
>>telling me that I was not a true Christian.  The only one who has the 
>>right to do that is God. 
>   Read the bible again, and you'll see that he does. 

Look at it yourself, the next time you're praying to a statue, or a
rosary, or when drinking blood.



Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boyfriend of Susan,
Muriel, Cathi, and Nora, and married to the sweetest woman in the world,
and darn proud of it.
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