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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Too many fish...  :(
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.051917.12683@u.washington.edu> stick@carson.u.washington.edu (suzanne cherniack) writes:
>I know this is a strange question, but I've run into an odd problem.
>
>I have a 30 gal. freshwater tank with mollies, platie, Singapore shrimp,
>and freshwater crabs.  Recently, my female black mollie gave birth, and
>the fry are now about 1/8th of an inch long, and pretty damn healthy.
>
>I have no idea what to do with these little guys (about 8 of them) once 
>they reach adulthood.  Will local stores purchase them?  I know it's an
>odd question, but hey...
 
They will not purchase them. Black mollies are a dime a dozen. They will
probably take em for free if your lucky and you want to avoid flushing.
Be aware they might use em for feeders.
 
Of interest:
Black mollies are a brackish fish. If acclimated they can live in salt water
tanks or brackish. If you have all females or all males they have the
ability to change sex.
 
>
>Another question:  do freshwater crabs ever reproduce in a tank setting?
>Mine have been busy building what look like dens underneath rocks, 
>dragging the gravel around to form barriers.  
>
>Any comments would be appreciated.  Sincerely amatuer,
>
>-Suzanne (stick@u.washington.edu)

I've never heard of them reproducing in a tank. They are more then likely
just building shelters.
 
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From: mdkj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fish Transportation
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:44:46 EST
Distribution: world,rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <Bz7x1s.21z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
haji@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Moon) writes: 
> I have three fish (one goldfish and two zebra danios) that I need to take 
> home for the holidays.  I would rather not move them but since there would 
> be no one here to take care of them, I can't leave them here for three weeks.
> I am planning on putting them and their water into a few clear 1-gallon
> jugs (with the lids off of course and lots of air in the jug) and transporting
> the empty or near-empty tanks separately.  I figured that the small openings
> of the jugs would prevent much water or fish sloshing out as opposed to 
> leaving them in their tanks and moving them that way.  
> 
> It's only a two-hour drive but I *know* this will put a lot of stress on the
> fish and that it's not that good of an idea to begin with.  Does anyone have 
> any suggestions on how to make it less stressful for my fish and if this setup
> is a good idea?

If it's only a two-hour drive, I really wouldn't worry about it too much, as
long as the temperature of the water doesn't drop too much and you have some
way of quickly putting them back into a tank at the other end of your trip
(preferably in the same type of water).  As an alternative to your idea, I
would put my fish in plastic bags with plenty of air, wrapped in many layers of
newspaper for insulation, and use as many water jugs as possible to carry some
of your tank or local tap water with.
Good luck,

John Opsomer
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: rickkr@microsoft.com (Rick Krause)
Subject: Re: Are W/D trickle filters worth it?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:25:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

In article <Uf=9TzW00WBN01EYVq@andrew.cmu.edu> "Robert wrote:
> Another important thing is if
> you have any fish in your tank (other than invertabrates etc) you
> absolutly need a source of mechnical  filtration. I use a canister
> filter. 

I had thought about using my Fluval cannister filter as a backup in
case my pump dies (and it's been showing signs lately), but I seem
to remember reading somewhere that you shouldn't use a cannister
with a W/D because the cannister depends on siphoning action.
(There's no way I could get the cannister lower than the sump right
now.)  Does that ring a bell w/you?  Do you have to take it into
account?

thx,
rick
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From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on Hardy Fish
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:45:36 GMT


>freshwater, 20 gal, with a heater.  Also, if you can think of anything
>else that will help in getting him to "clean" the tank correctly, I'll
>welcome those suggestions, too......
>
>-Lisa

hi Lisa...  I don't klnow how much money you have to spend, but the best
investment *I've* made was in a "Python."  The Python is a siphon which
you can connect to a faucet and allows you to actively remove water from 
your tank, directly down the ol' sink drain.  It also has a gravel-washing,
wide funnel on the end, so it can be shoved into the gravel, and suck up
all the silt.  They run about $40.00, I believe...  

Then, by flipping a switch, you can pump water directly back into the tank,
whcih may or may not be a very good idea, depending on your tap water.  If
your water has a high chloring content, you should use the old "bucket method,"
and dechlorinate the water first...  You may also have to buffer the water if
the pH is radically swung to the left or to the right.

Anyway... good luck!

Mike
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 19:56:23 EST
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: RE: HELP FOR BEGINNER
Distribution: world

In article <3309.402.uupcb@the-matrix.com>, janet.rawlins@the-matrix.com (Janet
Rawlins) says:
  <my post about male and female bettas getting along deleted>

>I guess if your community tank has enough plants for the females to get
>away from the male, it might work.  Or if your tank is fairly large,
>like a 20-gal. tank.  Do your female bettas have to avoid the male to
>keep the peace, or do they swim around close together without any
>trouble?

Well, they are in a small big tank (or is it a big small tank?) 33 Gal.
And the tank is heavily planted (except when the plants all died for no
apparent reason :(  ), but they seem more to ignore each other than to
avoid each other. During feeding time, all 3 are at the serfice going
for the food. At other times, they can all be found swiming about
lazily, often not really moving, but 'anchored' to a plant (the male
is particularly fond of this). (BTW, 'anchored' just means 'resting
agenst' or something like that). I never thought of this as abnormal.
Is it?
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From: stick@carson.u.washington.edu (suzanne cherniack)
Subject: Too many fish...  :(
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:19:17 GMT

I know this is a strange question, but I've run into an odd problem.

I have a 30 gal. freshwater tank with mollies, platie, Singapore shrimp,
and freshwater crabs.  Recently, my female black mollie gave birth, and
the fry are now about 1/8th of an inch long, and pretty damn healthy.

I have no idea what to do with these little guys (about 8 of them) once 
they reach adulthood.  Will local stores purchase them?  I know it's an
odd question, but hey...

Another question:  do freshwater crabs ever reproduce in a tank setting?
Mine have been busy building what look like dens underneath rocks, 
dragging the gravel around to form barriers.  

Any comments would be appreciated.  Sincerely amatuer,

-Suzanne (stick@u.washington.edu)

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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:46:05 CST
From: <UD005565@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject:    Fish stores in Pittsburgh

I'm going back home to Pittsburgh, Pa. for a week. Can anybody out there
tell me where the best stores are for freshwater fish?
                                           Bill Martin
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From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Fish Transportation
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:53:33 GMT
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc.

In article <lit292INN24o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (assana) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.234446.16519@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> mdkj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>FYI:
>I was talking to a co-worker about all this talk about fish transportation,
>and he told me that he used to have an air-pump that would plug in the
>cigarette lighter. This is a few years ago, so he didn't know if they still
>exist or when one could buy one. 
>
Try a sporting goods or bait store. They have battery powered pumps used to
keep (horrors of horrors) live bait alive. Take an extra set of batteries with
you.

Huett Bishop
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From: bever@csd630a.erim.org (Dave Beverstock)
Subject: Re: Fish Transportation
In-reply-to: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org's message of 16 Dec 92 15:53:33 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
	<lit292INN24o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
	<1992Dec16.155333.3733@ttsi.lonestar.org>
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:13:35

	 I have a battery powered pump and it works great, I use it
for power outages!

dave
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Environmental Research Institute of Michigan (ERIM)
P.O. Box 134001  Ann Arbor, MI  48113-4001 313-994-1200 x2239
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 11 Dec 1992 19:59:47 EST
From: <APARKER@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: (F) HELP with setting up 180G tank

In article <724096016@kao.cs.duke.edu>, kao@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ming Kao) says:
>
>I am about to buy a 180G tank for fresh water fish. I would
>appreciate helps with the following questions.
>
>1. Is UGF suitable for a tank of this size? My local fish stores
>do not seem to use UGFs in their large tanks?
>
>2. If you recommend UGF, where do I buy one of this size?
>
** If your 180 is 18x72 inches in floor area (as it likely is) the UGF plate
for a standard 125 will work.   To achieve proper flow rate I'd think about
using up to four RF powerheads (with eight square feet of gravel to keep clean,
 reverse flow is your friend), perhaps Hagen 402's.  You might get away with
two 802's, but this would be pushing it, in my opinion.  While UGF is certainly
 applicable, it only provides biological filtration, leaving you to
deal in another way with mechanical/chemical issues.  With a 180 gal tank
that translates into two large cannister filters, unless you plan on
having lots of large fish, at which point it might be three.  At this scale
it might be worth investing in a trickle filter, which will (with appropriate
accessories) perform all of these filtration tasks and can be sized to
the tank simply by getting a large enough main pump.  Hope this helps.
Alex Parker  (aparker@maine.maine.edu)

Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: E5EM000 <E5EM@UNB.CA>
Subject: Breeding Discus
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:56:43 GMT

   I am interested in buying some discus and eventually breeding
them.  I have three questions:1. Is there a certain strain of Discus
that are easier to breed?  2. Is my 40gal tank big enough? 3. Is
there a reliable source for Discus in Canada?  Any help would be
appreciated. Thanks.



     Kevin Besner e5em@unb.ca

    University of New Brunswick

Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Black heart piranhas
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:01:46 GMT

In article <15990006@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:
>No...
>But I do remember long ago reading an article in the San Diego Union
>about a body-shop owner who had a piranha in the shop.  He, for some
>reason, put his hand into the aquarium to get something and the 
>critter bit his index finger to the bone.  Surgery was needed to
>re-attach the finger.  
>
>They make great pets I hear.

If he cornered it it's possible. But that sounds more like a "Pigs fly
out my butt, send business cards to Craig" story.
 
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From: switzer@zeta.uleth.ca (Dean Switzer)
Subject: Snails keep dying
Summary: Don't understand why my giant snails keep dying...
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:24:02 GMT

I lost my third snail just the other day and I don't know why...
The only disease the tank has had was a quick bout of ich that I blew
away with nox-ich. Although not before my male blue sword and red
dwarf guoramis.

Strangely enough the two females never showed any sign of the disease
and thrive in the tank. The neon tertas, coullee loaches
and dwarf frogs seem to be happy also. And of course the snail that was
in during the bout of ich died, I didn't put another in until two months
after it appeared the ich was past. It lasted two more months and died.

I have 20 and 25 gal. tanks, both have have undergravel filters and
dynaflo series 3 back pack filters. Both tanks have well established
stable chemistry. The 25 gal. tank has shown no evidence of any disease
ever. The ich occured in the smaller tank.

Since I started using the dynaflo' I rarely need to remove any buildup
from the tank walls. Are my snails starving to death? Don't they eat any
of the food that goes in the tanks?

Deano
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From: dxf6@po.CWRU.Edu (Dean Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria
Subject: RE:RE:RE....FISH TRANSPORTATION [F]
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:12:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf6@po.CWRU.Edu (Dean Fear)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


The original question was in regards to transporting 3 fish, a goldfish and
two zebra danios, for two hours.  It seem to me that the answer this
question is extremely simple!!!!

PUT THE FISH IN A PLASTIC BAG AND TAKE THEM HOME!!!  

Give fish a little more credit. They are not so fragile that two hours in a
plastic bag is going to kill them.  I often go to auction were fish remain
in bags for 8 to 10 hours (w/o O2).   Fish transported from the Far East
may spend days in bags (w/ O2).

If we put all sentimentality aside, these are very common, inexpensive
(worth $3 max) and hardy fish.  They do not warrant O2 or battery operated
air pumps.  

I think its great to discuss different methods of transporting fish. 
I just don't think we should alarm people into thinking that this is really
a big deal.   Some species may need special care, but most don't.

In summary:

Put your fish in bags or even better, with many fish, get a Styrofoam box
from your local pet store.  If you are really paranoid (which I am) open it
when you stop for gas and blow in "new air".  This probably won't make any
difference to the fish but will make you feel better. 

				Just my opinion
					
				Dean	 
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Subject: Re: [F] Ailing Pleco
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:51:32 GMT

David Kelman (David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
: I have a 4" pleco that shares a 29 gallon tank with a 6" oscar.  Recently, the
: pleco has been 'shimmying' - fluttering it's fins very fast.  Also the
: fish jumps at almost any vibration near the tank.  The fins are starting to
: have tears in them, though the oscar does not appear to be bother it.  I
: checked the pH and it was 6.2.  I did a 50% water change, which brought
: the pH back up to 6.6.  Should I continue with the water changes, or is there
: a problem other than the pH involved?  Ammonia level checked out to be fine
: (after the water change).

Ammonia is probably the least of your worries.  With two large fish
in a 29g tank, you are probably having some major nitrate buildup.
Definitely continue with the water changes.  Shredding fins and
nervousness are two signs of water quality problems.

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - K. Dunn, _Geek Love_

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on Hardy Fish
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:50:52 GMT

In article <BzF6w9.ILA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:
>Perhaps I should clarify....he is very new at all this.  I'm hoping that
>if I give him the proper equipment, he'll use it and learn more about
>aquariums.  

The best "equipment" is a couple of good books and a print-out of the
FAQ posted monthly to this group.  See the FAQ posting for the book
suggestions.  

-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: janet.rawlins@the-matrix.com (Janet Rawlins)
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
Subject: RE: HELP FOR BEGINNER
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: janet.rawlins@the-matrix.com (Janet Rawlins)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

-> I have kept males in community tanks for quite a while (one male at a
-> time, of course), lately (for over a year) with females. They are
-> happier with two females, but even with one, I have had no trouble
-> with untword aggression. A bit of fin nipping, perhaps. but that is
-> all. Of course,

That's interesting.  I've always read that they don't get along well
with each other except during the short time they're actually spawning.
I guess if your community tank has enough plants for the females to get
away from the male, it might work.  Or if your tank is fairly large,
like a 20-gal. tank.  Do your female bettas have to avoid the male to
keep the peace, or do they swim around close together without any
trouble?

Janet
                               
Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton)
Subject: Re: How do I get snails out?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:33:09 GMT


At work, I have dealt with this problem is another way.  I gave the
tank a 25% water change and got out most of the snails I could see.
Then, each morning when I went into work, I used a fish net to scoop
out all of the young-ones... They float at the surface of the water
in the tank (or at least my snails did).  After about two weeks of
doing this, wa-la, and they were gone.  However, I would only re-
commend this to a tank that is not totally infested.  I like the
lettuce idea!!!  Lettuce, with a combo of taking out the young, with
a Botia should do the trick.

Scotty

-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on Hardy Fish
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:23:26 GMT

In article <BzDp49.3F8@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:
>This Christmas, I am interested in getting my younger brother some 
>items for his aquarium.  I'm definately getting a siphon, since he
>never cleans it and last time he did I think he used a plastic cup
>for the water change.  I'm also probably getting him a nitrates kit, 
>since from what I hear, his tank crashed and the only survivors are
>a pair of gold fish.  For his birthday, which is a week or two 

Tank crashes are not due to nitrate levels (at least none that
I've heard of).  Your brother needs to do a lot of things before
he even starts worrying about nitrate levels!



>after Christmas (if his water is alright) I'd like to get him some 
>fish.  What are good type of hardy fish that would get along with 2
>1 1/2" goldfish?  I'd like REALLY hardy ones, since even though I'm 
>getting him a syphon and other misc. cleaning supplies, I don't know how
>often he'll use them.  I'd also like to get him this stuff cuz if I
>don't, the fish will really suffer.  Last time I was home, he had been
>"cleaning" out his tank.  There was about four inches of water left
>in the tank, and it was left like that for a few days.....poor fish!


I know how you feel.  My brother inherited a small tank from me and
everytime I would visit I would have to lecture him on why he was
forcing his fish to live a life of agony...



>I figure that the easier I make it to clean his tank, the more often
>he'll do it, and do it right.   Any suggestions?  The tank is 
>freshwater, 20 gal, with a heater.  Also, if you can think of anything
>else that will help in getting him to "clean" the tank correctly, I'll
>welcome those suggestions, too......
>

First of all, goldfish are coldwater fish and you do not need a heater
unless your room is not heated.  Best to let it stay as low as it will
go (60's).  However, steady temps are good, so if the room fluctuates 
a lot you may need to set the temp to minimize fluctuation. 
 
As they are cold water fish, there aren't many fish that ideally
go with them.  In a 20 gallon tank, 2 fancy goldfish is about the 
limit, so I wouldn't worry about more fish.

What he needs is a good fish book 
or a good long talk to explain -why- it is important to clean the
tank and then he'll be much more likely to do it than if he just 
gets a bunch of equipment, IMHO.

Gift wrap the FAQ for a start ;)

Paul



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Newsgroups: alt.aquaria
From: edens-a@rice.edu (John C. Edens)
Subject: Crayfish
Summary: Crayfish info needed
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:24:36 GMT

Does anyone out there know how crayfish should be kept?
<Besides in gumbo>

Thanks
ZZ


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From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Subject: Re: [F] RFUGF - What equipment to use?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:18:05 GMT

01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>> Everyone has been talking about the problems/benefits of RFUGFs enough
>> that I would like to try one on one of my 55g tanks.  What type of
>> power head will give the appropriate flow rate & which manufacturer of
>> the plate is a good choice (Eg: System 3)?

>System 3 is specifically designed to be run in standard UGF mode, so I'd rule
>it out at the biginning.  Probably any standard UGF plate would work (a la
>Perfecto Undertow).

On a purely theoretical basis (i.e. no practical experience) I'd suggest
the evenflow brand, if you have a choice.  I can't find them in any of
my local fish shops, but would like to see them working.  I think that
they would help provide a more consistent flow of water to each area,
rather than (with most UGF plates) most of the water comming out right
at the point where the lift tubes are.  Of course, if you do this, and
wouldn't mind doing a food coloring test before you put any fish in the
tank (yes, and an additional 100% water change), I'd like to hear if the
evenflow plate(s) work the way they are advertised to.

Frank Fujita
P.S. Again on a theoretical note, I wouldn't think that System 3 is the
way to go with RFUGF.
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