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From:         "Gerri Oppedisano (8-863-7225)" <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      feminists and defining terms

>    Re definition: What's this ... Socrates? I have to define my terms
> before I can play?  Maybe defining feminists is like what the supreme
> court justice said about pornography (you can assume this is not about
> C. Thomas) -- I can't define it but I know it when I see it.  Or maybe
> we ought to try a DSM style chinese menu form of defining the BAH
> feminist syndrome: diagnose if five of the following nine symptoms are
> present and have been present more days than not for the past six months:
> Naaah, I'm not going to step into that one.
>
> T.

I've pretty much been staying out of the "feminists" discussion but this
I have a hard time holding back from.. Tim, if you feel so confident in
making hostile sarcastic statements about "feminists", I find it
confusing that you are not confident in defining what you mean by
feminists. I find it a valid question. Some people mean very different
things when they say someone is a feminist. If you have such strong
feelings about it, it may be a good idea to sit for a bit a really see
if you know what your definition is. At least you would have a concrete
idea of what offends you, and you can comment intellegently on those
things. I found many of your posts very strong in feeling but low in
content. I have no idea really what your objections are. How is this
helpful?

gerri
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:38:20 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Discrimination

Kathy, I think your definition of "feminist" is sound. I might change part of
it to indicate that "all humans are entitled to fair treatment" as opposed to
"all humans are equal."

I am pleased to discover your definition allows males to claim the title of
"feminist." I think some might not agree, but I consider anyone who has been
discriminated against, regardless of the nature of the discrimination, to be
equipped with the ability to -know- what it feels like, and to take a stand
against it!

Damon Newcomb
Frostburg State University
Frostburg Maryland
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tolerance

BRAVO, JULIE!!!
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

Thanks for all the references, Monika.  I will certainly pursue them.

> For example, stimulation-induced feeding (a model for feeding) as well
> as self-stim are obtained from lateral hypothalamus and sulcal cortex. (See
> Wise, R.A plus McGregor & Atrens).

OK, this makes nice sense to me (the LH's connection).  I'm curious if
similar tracts have been suggested for other homeostasis-regulating
centers of the hypo (supraoptic, ventromedial, suprachiasmatic, etc.).  Seems
like it would provide a reasonable accounting of how homeostatic-maintaining
behaviors are conditionable (or am I being master of the obvious?).

Eric
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Discrimination

On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:31:00 EDT <KMORGAN@WHEATNMA> said:
>Time,
>        I'm sorry to hear about your current workload.  I sympathize.
>And I'm patient--I'll wait.  I just want to know if I should feel
>personally insulted or not.  I consider myself a feminist, but if I'm
>not a feminist according to you, that would be comforting to know.

Kathy,
How do you operationally define feminist?

Have fun,
-- Matthew Simpson

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Comments:     Originally-From: "SANDRA CARPENTER" <UAHSAC01@asnuah.asn.net>
From:         RJHARRIS@KSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Teaching Ethics

I am a member of the Division 2: Teaching of Psychology Task Force on
the Incorporation of Ethics into the Undergraduate Psychology Curriculum.
We are newly formed and hope to (a) assemble techniques and materials
that will be of practical use to teachers in a variety of courses, and
(b) develop some ideas about how to think about teaching ethics to
undergraduates.  Our long range plan is to make these materials available
through a clearing house at Ball State University.

If you have ideas, examples of relevant texts or portions of texts,
demonstrations, etc., please share them with us by responding to me via
e-mail or regular mail.  Thank you
Dr. Sandra Carpenter
Department of Psychology
University of Alabama
Huntsville, AL 35899
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:05:38 EST
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stupid ideas...

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:33:00 CST Betty Harris said:
>I hafta agree with Larry and disagree with Matthew on this one.
>I don't feel that either calling the person or the idea stupid
>is acceptible behavior.  It is ok to disagree with an idea,
>but it is not ok to call it stupid just because you don't agree
>with it (them).  After all, didn't most ppl of his time period
>think that Galileo's (sp) ideas were "stupid"???  Couldn't we
>simply respond by saying that we disagree and give the rationnale
>for our disagreement???

How would you define a flame?  How do you know it when you see it?
We need a short, clear, and easy-to-communicate-and-understand
definition that has high anticipated inter-rater reliability.

So far, we are defining it as a public attack on individuals through
the content of e-mail postings.

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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Psych assessment by MDs

Did you her the one about the two gals who set themselves up as "physical
psychotherapists" and had sex with their patients to relieve their stress?
Of course, because they are not licensed they don't seem to follow our
ethics. At the same time, their use of the term "psychotherapists" spreads
a general cloud over the profession. Neat, huh? (sarcasm there)
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From:         FAIGELES@FS1.PSY.EMORY.EDU
Subject:      Re: CBT for children

Does anyone have any references on the efficacy of cognitive-
behavioral therapy for children, particularly children with
externalizing disorders?  I am working on a paper for a psychotherapy
class.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Robin Faigeles
faigeles@fs1.psy.emory.edu
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      freedom of speech and inquiry

Regarding this business of departmental rumors, I agree with Stephanie
Fiskin's comment that some profs we've known have been the most
rumor-mongering folks we've met.

As psychologists, I think we all have a keen interest in human behaviors
and the reasons why folks behave in the ways they do, and often rumors are
centered around "Why did he/she do x or y?" types of questions. What could
be a more *applied* type of psychology? Let's not get too stuffy and
abstract and ivory towery, mmm?

Finally, I want to publicly commend Tracy for having the courage to stick
her neck out and ask a difficult question about departmental
interrelationships, an issue that maybe doesn't get talked about all that
much in "polite departmental society". One of the best attributes of
PSYCGRAD, in my opinion, is that such "sensitive" topics can be discussed
with fellow peers in a thoughtful and considerate manner--and a lot of
issues discussed here are issues which affect most, if not all of us,
whether we want to admit it (or not).

cheers,

Tor


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From:         Mustafa AlAbsi <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Internship article... enjoy!

Thanks Robert,
Please ignore my previous comment.  I am a little late in reading my
mail this week.  Peace
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:13:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Flaming

>Effective comunication involves:
>1)  listen to what the other person is attempting to say
>2)  summarize the content of the message to make sure you
    understood what they were saying
>3)  ask for clarification of global or ambiguous terms


.....yeah,  like "feminist," for example!! :-)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:48:37 -0500
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From:         C2MXNEW@FRE.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Discrimination

Excellent observation Jesse. I think you have just shed light on why the
system tends to remain unchanged despite all the good intentions and
verbage floating around!

Damon
Frostburg State
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      another paper on hippocampus

Hello all interested:

Another paper on hippocampus worth reading:

Eichenbaum, H. et al (1992).  The hippocampus-What does it do? Behavioral
and Neural Biology, 57, 2-36.


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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:43:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Discrimination

On 11/20/92, Tim Tumlin writes:

>I, for one, am a member of the Sierra Club; I'm not sure
>I refer to myself as an environmentalist but I'm in that direction.
>If you said environmentalists take themselves too seriously and are
>humorless and some of them even acted nuts, I'm not sure I would
>necessarily take umbrage with that, even though a lot of
>environmentalist-types are definitely more reasonable than others.


Hmmmm, yes.  But to the best of my recollection, you didn't say "some"
feminists are bitter, angry, and humorless.  And if you were my
student, and had made a global statement like that--I'd want it
qualified with at least an operational definition, if not a word like
"some."  I'm pleased to see that you have considered the error.
Thanks.  I'm satisfied enough with that.
--Kathy
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:19:49 MST
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From:         mmartin@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Subject:      Discrimination

The discussion centered around feminism ect. has been very
interesting.  At the risk of being accused of blaming the victim,
I have a question.

If I (or any of you, for that matter) accept a position based on
what I am, rather than my qualifications, am I not participating
in the very system I condem?

No doubt several of the readers of this list will be hired at
their place of future employment as a token female, a token
minority, or because they are male in a very male world.
Although it is easy to sit and attack the system for what it has
become, on a personal level, are any of us willing to refuse
something offered when we have a good idea (very few of us got to
where we are because we are stupid) that the offering is tainted?

Eh (sp) tu Brutus?

Jesse
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From:         Mustafa AlAbsi <u717@REX.UOKHSC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help with Hippocampi

Sorry, I misspelled Sapolsky's name.  I always do that. BAD BOY.
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From:         Matthew Prull <PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      Hippocampus and memory

All the recent talk about the role of the hippocampus in various
domains outside of memory is very interesting...as a student studying
human memory I guess I tend to believe that the hippocampus is
only involved in a single function.  Apparently that's not the case!
Anyway, I thought that for all those who ARE interested in the role
of the hippocampus in human and animal memory, I'd share a recent
article that I thought was really interesting.  Check out
"Memory and the Hippocampus: A Synthesis from Findings with Rats,
Monkeys, and Humans," by Larry Squire, _Psychological Review_, Vol.
99(2), 195-231.  Contrary to popular belief, the hippocampus' relation
to memory is only partial, that is, the hippocampus is only important
and essential in explicit memory (memories that require conscious
recollection of specific previous experiences), but not implicit
memory, skill learning, classical & operant conditioning, etc. Good
stuff to think about!

Matthew Prull
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      PSY.D...

     Your friend might also want to check the APA publication on graduate
programs in psychology. It lists all kinds of programs, including Psy Ds and
programs that are not "mainstream", including the California Institute for
Integral Studies and a couple more whose names escape me but which are bing
in phenomenological/existentialist approaches.  Some of the programs listed
are APA accredited, some aren't.     Nangel
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: departmental sex (subject for gossip? NOT!)

On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:27:00 EDT <KMORGAN@WHEATNMA> said:
>Matthew,
>        I must disagree (I think) with some of what I think you were
>trying to say.  The "gossip," however sordid, can be an important
>source of information.  For example,...In this discussion, the
>chair asked X why the subject of Z's performance in STATPROF's class
>was of any interest to X, since "everyone knows that the way YOU passed
>this class was by sleeping with STATPROF."...
>        How do I know that this happened?  X told me.  The secretary
>told me.
>        What good does it do me to know this?  Well, first of all, it
>informs me of how my department chair handles complaints, of what he is
>likely to think and do about complaints of sexual harrassment, and of
>how he obtains HIS information about what is going on in his department
>(X did NOT sleep with STATPROF, in case that needed to be said).
>        So, bolstered with this knowledge, one can be more choosy in
>how and to whom one presents a complaint--among other things.

I have to disagree.  If I was in the position of the secretary, and
I was cautious about the damage gossip can do, I would not be telling
students stories about what happens in personal meetings.  I would
say simply, something like, "the department chair does not handle
complaints of sexual harrassment that well" or "Based on personal
experience, I recommend that you go straight to the dean of social
sciences with your complaints" or something ambiguous like that.

What it all comes down to is this basic question.  "How can you know
that second-hand information is the truth?"  The department head should
not have assumed that the gossip he heard about this student is truth,
right?  Should you assume that the gossip you heard from the secretary
is truth?  Unless we are applying a double standard, the answer is no.
You see, I was born in "The Show-Me State" (Missourri).  I tend to want
to see it for myself and not believe others.

As an aside, complaints against departmental heads should go to the dean
of social sciences.  If the goal is to get the departmental head to
behave properly, treat him/her at all times as if proper behavior is
expected.  Anything discrepant with propriety should be dealt with
formally.  Gossip is only effective at communicating to other people
what they can expect the worse to be.

Anyway, there you have it.  Take it or leave it.  These are my thoughts
on the matter.  Have fun.

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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hippocampus and memory
              18 Nov 1992 15:57:45 -0700 from <PRULLM@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>

Matthew P:
Thanks for great reference!  I was under the impression that we knew that
about the hippocampus, after the famous H.M, i.e that hippocampus is involved
in explicit type of memory, and other structure like the cerebellum may be
important for simple motor skill learning...


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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:39:09 -0500
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From:         HESSJX@UNCG.BITNET
Subject:      Re: PSY.D...

There is a Psy. D. program that is run as a collaborative effort of Eastern
VA Medical School, Old Dominion University, College of William and Mary, and
perhaps a few other groups--I think it also includes a center that is involved
in phenomenology, but I can't remember the name.  You can probably find out more
   from Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA.  I think they head up the progra
   m.
Jennifer
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From:         james canaday <CANADAY@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      driving? share the gas?

any  of you driving from, or through, the midwestern U.S. to southern
California, and back for the thanksgiving week?
looking, just in case some one might like to share the gas expenses...thanks,
E-mail me directly at:
Canaday at ukanvm   or:
canaday at ukanvm.ukans.cc.edu
-
jc
james canaday M.A., student therapist/struggling grad student
K.U. psychological clinic
Kansas University
[in Lawrence]
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