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From: bruceh@access.isc-br.com (Bruce Hogan)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Home Schooling??
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:28:56 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo


Hi, Leonard.  I was interested in your post so I took it home to work on and 
showed it to my daughter, who has been homeschooled since day one.  Well, 
while my wife and I went shopping, Stacie sat down and answered your 
questions so I thought you might be interested in her perspective.  

> 
> I have a few questions about home schooling. That is teaching your
> school aged children at home as an alternative to public or
> parochial schools.  
> 
> 1. What are the reasons for home schooling?
> 
(Stacie) 1) - more time with parents and siblings
         2) - and you also get your school work done faster (I get mine done
              in about 3-5 hours) and have more fun doing things that you 
              need or would like to do.

> 2. How long do you home school?
> 
(Stacie) Usually people homeschool till High-School, but I know some people 
         who have home-schooled thru [Dad's correction: read "into"] college.

> 3. What are benefits of home schooling? 
> 
(Stacie) 1) - Better grades and teaching. :-)
         2) - Better understanding of schoolwork.
         3) - Lots of socialization and fun things to do with other homeschoolers.
         4) - Avoiding peer pressure, drugs and sex education from teachers 
              and not parents.

> 4. What are the disadvantages of home schooling?
> 
(Stacie) Having to do schoolwork even if you're snowed in or it is raining 
         or if you're sick.

> 5. How have home schooled students compared to public schooled 
>    students in standardized tests?
> 
(Stacie) My test [sic   :-(   ] are getting gradually better in the years of 
doing tests, and this year I was above the average students in school.

> 6. Any other comments, information, etc.
> 
(Stacie) I agree with Mischa Sandberg that home-schooling is alot of fun.  I 
         enjoy being at home for school.  I have gone to public and private 
         school, each for a day, and I told my Mon and Dad that they didn't 
         compare with home-schooling because I really don't like being away 
         from home that much and it just isn't the same thing as having a 
         close relationship to your parents than to your school, friends 
         and teacher.
> 
> Thanks,

(Stacie) Thanks for asking, I enjoyed answering.
         Stacie Hogan (14 years old)
         Spokane, WA

So, there you have it from the victim herself.

BTW, what prompted your questions?

Happy schooling,
Bruce Hogan
Spokane, WA

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> | Leonard E. Toohey              PCB Designer                            |
> | Tandem Computers Incorporated  Guardian: SMTPGATE@AUSTIN(leonard@tzone)|
> | 14231 Tandem Blvd.             Internet: leonard@mpd.tandem.com        |
> |_Austin, Texas 78728-6699_______Phone: (512) 244-8427___________________|
> 
> 
From: donp@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Don Pettengill [CT R+D])
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:31:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Math ( and other ) education.
Organization: The Land of Nod
Newsgroups: misc.education,soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Racist/Sexist Role Models
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 00:47:12 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

> In article <NmiyVB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
> |> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> |> 
> |> > In article <R1XiVB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg G
> |> > |> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
> |> > |> Greg: 
> |> > |> > How do you define racism?
> |> > 
> |> > |> Answer: A consistent and systematic attempt by one ethnic group to 
> |> > |>         maintain political, social or economic dominance or control
> |> > |>         over another within a society.
> |> > 
> |> > By grouping all members of ethnic groups together and by requiring consi
> |> > you ensure that what some whites do today can not be considered racism. 
> |> > suggest you go searching for a new definition.
> |> > 
> |> > Jason W. Solinsky
> |> 
> |> Jason:
> |> What I need is not a new definition, but an end to the fulfillment of the 
> |> existing one.
> 
> My point is that the end of the fullfillment of the above definition has
> already occured. All we have left is a minority of racists. Despite this,
> you are clearly not happy.
> 
> Jason W. Solinsky


No, Jason, I'm not happy, because unlike you, I don't see it as having
ended.
G.

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From: aesmoot@aescon.com (Art Smoot)
Newsgroups: boulder.general
Subject: Re: A followup to Amendment 1
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:32:31 -0700
Organization: AES Consulting, Boulder, Colorado

In <1992Dec23.214647.28274@ncar.ucar.edu> mike@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Mike Daniels) writes:

>MANAGER was affected.  In the private sector, managers are often the first to
>go.  

Hummmph!  I don't know what private sector you're referring to!   The one I was
involved in had the managers protect themselves and dump anyone else who wasn't.


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Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: mneves@Colorado.EDU (Michelle Neves)
Subject: Moving Boxes FOR SALE
Keywords: for sale boxes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:15:13 GMT

We have moving boxes and materials for sale for $30:

8 Large boxes (2x1)
10 Medium boxes (1-1/2x1-1/2)
20 Small boxes (1x1)
1 box for glasses (includes foam covers)
packing paper
4 rolls of packing tape

All boxes have only been used once.

Rich or Michelle Neves
786-7321 or
mneves@coma.colorado.edu or
neves@anchor.cs.colorado.edu
Xref: sparky boulder.general:1389 co.general:2312
From: cpirner@nyx.cs.du.edu (Craig C. Pirner)
Newsgroups: nyx.forsale,boulder.general,co.general
Subject: Nintendo Equipment For Sale.
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:59:41 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

I have the following equipment that I would like to
sell.

----------------------------------------------------------
NES
        Base Unit
        2 Controlers (1 is flakey)
        Target Gun
        Duck Hunt / Super Mario Brothers        $60

NES Advantage Controler Pad                     $10

Wireless Controllers (2)                        $25

Games
        SMB II, Paperboy, Metroid, ExciteBike   $12 each

        others                                  $ 8



----------------------------------------------------------

ALL for $130

----------------------------------------------------------



		Craig Pirner
		(303) 893-5722
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: nagel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Nagel)
Subject: Re: Local body shop recommendations?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:31:25 GMT

rosinski@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Jim Rosinski) writes:


>Anyway, having never had significant body work done before, I am in search
>of recommendations of local shops which will do a good job on a 1989 Toyota
>pickup.  The truck is not drivable because the left front tire is pushed

>1) "Maaco sucks."

>2) "Boulder Auto Body did a good job."

>Thanks in advance.


>Jim Rosinski

Jim,
	I have used Import Coachworks twice.  Both times I was extremely 
happy with the work done.  The owner, Dave, is very proud of the work he
does and is more than willing to discuss all aspects of the work he
can do for you.  If it is an insurance job, he is good at getting companies
to pay for the job to be done right (and believe me he knows how to do it
right)  If it is a non-insurance job, he will discuss all alternative with
you and work to get a set of options that you can afford.

	I highly recommend them.

Kurt Nagel
nagel@fido.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: bei@dogface.austin.tx.us (Bob Izenberg)
Subject: January APN meeting
Organization: The Fortress of Ultimate Dorkiness
Distribution: austin
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1993 05:32:39 GMT
Followup-To: poster

	I should have confirmation of the January Austin Public-Net meeting
location by the beginning of next week.  Stay tuned for a message here with
time and place information....  It should hit the wires before Wednesday.

Bob
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From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: New Service
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:51:36 GMT
Reply-To: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu
Distribution: austin

In article <yDDTVB1w165w@underg.ucf.org> max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)  
writes:
> This looks promising. Delphi provides 20 hours of Internet access for 
> $23 a month, and only $1.80/hour for additional hours. I wonder if they
> have a pop in Austin and provide 9600bps access? I will find out. If not,
> maybe we can talk them into putting one in?
> 
> Here is the announcement:

You might want to read it a little bit closer before getting too terribly  
excited, besides just putting money in somene else's pocket that isn't  
directed toward the Austin community.


> DELPHI has two membership plans: the 10/4 Plan is $10 per month and
> includes the first 4 hours of use; additional use is $4 per hour.  The
> 20/20 Advantage Plan is $20 per month, includes 20 hours of use, and
> is only $1.80 per hour for additional time.  The Internet service
> option is an extra $3 per month and includes a generous transfer
> allocation of 10 megabytes (the equivalent of about 3,000 type-written
> pages).  Access during business hours via Sprintnet or Tymnet carries
> a surcharge.

I don't know about anyone else, but I know that 10Mb/month is NOT a "generous  
transfer allocation" in the Internet scheme of things.  I run about 900Mb of  
stuff between my machine and Internet every month. (This doesn't include  
general packets, such as Network Time, etc).

I also don't much care for someone telling me that they are going to play  
"bean counter" on my packets and make sure I don't exceed what they say I can  
have. The method I prefer is that: if it isn't a problem, don't break it.

Chris 
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| petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu, petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu
| All opinions are my own, if they even belong to anyone.
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Secret Service Bust in Lubbock
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.230524.2084@tic.com> frankb@hal.com writes:
>On Dec 21,  7:44am, Ed Cavazos wrote:
>} Subject: Secret Service Bust in Lubbock
>}  
>} If anyone has any more information on this, please pass it along, 
>} as the article was sorely lacking in important facts.
>
>Not that I would defend the AAS, but it seems likely that many
>of the "important facts" are not available to the press.  Look
>what SJ had to go through just to find out what the warrant
>was really about when they stole... uh... siezed his equipment.
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>	-- Frank Bieser (frankb@hal.com)
>
>
>
All I have is what a friend of mine heard from a professor at Tech.
Here's what he said:



There has been a major computer hacking bust involoving three Tech students
operating out of Sneed Hall who were caught by federal agents abusing the Tech
Vax system and esentially stealing software and sending it around the country.
Apparently, these agents are monitoring all computer traffic in and out of TTU,
looking for abuses.  Amazing, isn't it that people would do such a thing?
There have been big stories on the local news here every night for a week.




Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky)
Subject: February EFF-A Meeting at GTC
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:52:20 GMT

Please mark your calendars for February 11, 1993. We will have an
EFF-Austin meeting that day from 1:30PM til 3:00PM at the Southwest
Regional Government Technology Conference, at the new Austin Conference
Center downtown. Those who attend will have free access to dealer
exhibits (GTC has one of the best dealer shows in Austin). Tracy
LaQuey Parker, author of _The Internet Companion_, will speak.

I'll have more info later: at some point I will have to request a
list of those who will attend. We have to know in advance because
badges are required. Be thinking about it, but don't RSVP until
I request it sometime in January. (If you don't pre-register, you
can still get in, but might have to stand in line for the badge).

What I DO need to know is whether any of you is interested in
full conference participation (seminars as well as exhibits).
The cost for this is $250 for an industry registrant, $175 for
a government registrant. I might be able to get the latter price
for us, since we're nonprofit and non-industry. Team membership
of 10 or more would give us a discount ($25 off per member).
If you're interested in this level of participation, please
email me now <jonl@tic.com>.

Thx,
Jon Lebkowsky


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: blivion@taronga.com (Steve Ryan)
Subject: Chasin (fwd)
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:08:02 GMT

Forwarded message:
> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:53:33 -0600
> Newsgroups: austin.eff
> From: jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky)
> Subject: Chasin
> Message-Id: <1992Dec23.155326.22350@tic.com>
> 
> I read with interest Joe Abernathy's account of the Lubbock raid,
> especially Scott Chasin's contention that the Internet is riddled
> with pirate boards run by University system administrators. Looks to
> me like Scott is trying to drum up some business by feeding the paranoid
> fantasies of uninformed users (and non-users).

 Credit Scott with maybe just a *little* knowledge of the underground;
maybe he was a  bit hyperbolic, but I have found previously some
excellent reasons to listen to what this man says.
I also *strongly* doubt that his motive is to drum up business for himself
by making such a statement to the press. Mr. Chasin has a lot of motivations for
what he does other than the purely monetary. 



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: Re: Secret Service Bust in Lubbock
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:10:37 GMT

Just a quick note to let everyone know that the sysops involved in the
Secret Service raid contacted me while I was at HoHo Con.  Steve Ryan (a
Houston cyber-attorney) and I talked to them, and we have contacted
EFF-National and some local counsel about reviewing their case.

It was encouraging to note that the sysops in question felt EFF-Austin
was a place to turn when no other doors were open to them.

I'll keep you all updated as things develop.

Ed


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: frankb@hal.com (Frank Bieser)
Subject: Re: Secret Service Bust in Lubbock
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
Reply-To: frankb@hal.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:57:48 GMT

On Dec 21,  7:44am, Ed Cavazos wrote:
} Subject: Secret Service Bust in Lubbock
}  
} If anyone has any more information on this, please pass it along, 
} as the article was sorely lacking in important facts.

Not that I would defend the AAS, but it seems likely that many
of the "important facts" are not available to the press.  Look
what SJ had to go through just to find out what the warrant
was really about when they stole... uh... siezed his equipment.



-- 

	-- Frank Bieser (frankb@hal.com)



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky)
Subject: Chasin
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:35:08 GMT

I read with interest Joe Abernathy's account of the Lubbock raid,
especially Scott Chasin's contention that the Internet is riddled
with pirate boards run by University system administrators. Looks to
me like Scott is trying to drum up some business by feeding the paranoid
fantasies of uninformed users (and non-users).


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky)
Subject: New Year's Eve RAVE
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:19:37 GMT

There'll be a rave New Year's Eve at 2nd and Lavaca. Reliable sources
suggest that admission will be $10 at the door. Liquid Mice will be
playing, and in separate areas there will be technopop, trash disco,
and drummers. Also promised: strange & compelling visual effects.



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: Secret Service Bust in Lubbock
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:51:48 GMT

According to an AP article in the 12/17/92 Austin American Statesman, Secret
Service Agents "targeted three suspects they say tapped into Texas Tech's 
computer system to create a worldwide electronic bulletin board that 
distributed pirated software."
 
In what should come as no surprise to those of us who follow these 
types of stories, no arrests have been made.  Nonetheless, the SS
seized about $5,000 of equipment according to the report.
            
The accused are identified as two 21 year old Tech students and a 
20 year old former stufent.  The article is poorly written, and 
alternates between calling these guys pirates and referring to the 
bulletin board as being run by "hackers."  Apparently, the students 
have admitted to pirating "at least $6,000" of software this 
summer. The 20 year-old had been expelled from the university in 
July for "misusing" the computer.
 
A "monitoring team from Pittsburgh" conducted a six-month 
investigation, but nothing in the article clarifies whether the 
team included SS men or not.
 
The most disturbing part of the story is the attached photo, which 
shows Secret Service agent Steve Barker posing with the seized 
equipment as he was a DEA agent posing with bales of marijuana.
 
If anyone has any more information on this, please pass it along, 
as the article was sorely lacking in important facts.
 
Thanks,
 
Ed Cavazos
 


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: SJ Games trial date set
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:40:14 GMT
 
 +=========+=================================================+===========+
 |  F.Y.I. |Newsnote from the Electronic Frontier Foundation |  12/23/92 |
 +=========+=================================================+===========+
 
 
                 STEVE JACKSON GAMES TRIAL DATE SET
 
 
 Mike Godwin, General Counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
 announced today that the case of Steve Jackson Games, et.al. v. The
 United States Secret Service et. al. will go to trial in Austin, Texas
 on Tuesday, January 19, 1993.
 



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.155523.22437@tic.com> jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky) writes:
 
>Here are some problems that I see that are specific to our group:

I wish Jon hadn't asserted that these are problems. Some of what he
writes here is pretty hypothetical. See below.
 
>2)      EFF-National perceives us as "mavericks," which of course 
>could be a good thing or a bad thing, I'm not sure which. I 
>think the real concern is that EFF-Austin evolved pretty 
>much on its own, has an established structure and identity, 
>and may resist an attempt on the national organization's 
>part to create a different set of rules for chapters.

Jon, you seem to be saying that this is a problem for EFF-National.
I don't believe that we're worried about your "resisting" any
attempts by us to create new rules. The whole point of the chapter
conference is that *any* new rules be a product of negotiation and
consensus, not fiat. I strongly believe that EFF-Austin won't 
"resist" policies that it took part in shaping.

>3)      EFF-National has nothing to offer EFF-Austin.

Are you sure of this? 

>We don't need money or guidance from EFF-National, 
>therefore they're probably wondering whether we're a chapter 
>or a "competitor."

No one at National thinks EFF-Austin is a "competitor" in any way.
I'm not sure where Jon gets this "problem."

>4)      EFF-National has not been good at communicating with its 
>members. How many of you feel that you know what EFF-
>National is doing? If don't know what EFF-National is about, 
>how can you agree or disagree?

We agree, of course, on this point. 

>5)      EFF-National's officers and directors don't really seem to 
>be at home in cyberspace, at least not all of them. E.g. 
>there seems to be a resistance to ASCII, mailing lists, and 
>newsgroups as tools for communication and problem 
>resolution.

I'm not sure what you're basing this on. Most EFF staff and board
members are on the Net and take part in e-mail, mailing lists, and
newsgroups.

>6)      Goals not synchronized: major players at EFF-National seem 
>to have extremely different goals for the organization. Is 
>it a civil liberties group? A forum for debate (and flame)? 
>A support group for consciousness enhancement? A quasi-
>public corporation? To me, the overriding goal should be 
>community development on this new frontier in cyberspace. I 
>think Cliff Figallo is the one person at EFF-National who's 
>focused on this concept.

I think there are others, Jon--notably Gerard Van der Leun, Rita
Rouvalis, and me.
 


--Mike




-- 
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EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost