HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:13:10 GMT

John Prigeon (jprigeon@hpscit.sc.hp.com) wrote:
: >My opinion - for what it's worth:

: >Most guys in the US run 5-7".  So I'd give 'e' to 7-8", e+ to 8-9",
: >and e++ to anything bigger.  I'd also give an extra "+" for thickness.
: >I've only run into a few borderline e+/e++ guys, and one bona-fide
: >e++.  

: So Doug, what is your -uh- sample size for these statistics?  Can we
: infer from this that you are a s++?  :)

First, they come from research statistics that have put 85% of the US
males in the 5-7" category.

Second, I am a retired s+++.  I won't shock people by how many partners
I've had (and some couldn't be shocked by this anyhow) but it's more than
most typical surveys poll.

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:23:48 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) and those of you who
scratched your heads at me in email (are we in the "crabs,
fleas and body lice" thread now, or is this just dandruff?) 
I knew that my article would resonate oddly with many of you.

And no, it's a good guess, but I haven't had any email that led to
it directly.

More than anything else, it came out of the discussions of (or
around) feminism that have been going on here.  I was playing mind
games, and I did a turnaround of gender in some of this stuff, and
it dawned on me that if I were reading articles by a straight man
teasing lesbians in the way that I've been teasing you (for some 
value of "you") here, I would need to be *very* sure of the man's
relationship to the group before I'd be comfortable about his
teasing, whether or not I happened to be among the women being
teased.

Now, that's not to say that I think it's impossible for a man to be
on the kind of terms with women that make this teasing a happy
exchange for everyone; of course it is, at least with _some_ women.  
But it is also fairly common for men to presume an acceptance 
beyond what the women around them would prefer.  I don't want to
presume with men here, and I don't want to set any examples about 
presuming.

I do want y'all to be clear in your minds that I'm clear in my own
about being "family," or close enough that it makes no never mind.
Even my relatives know who my friends are.  ;-)  (Which reminds me
that my sister wants to know whether there is any tradition among
gay men to wear a wedding band on the right hand; I said I didn't
know of any such but that I'd ask.)

Thanks for the compliments.  I hope it doesn't sound dismissive-- or
arrogant-- to say that I'm confident of my welcome, in general.  But
different people get uncomfortable for different reasons.  I can
have fun in lots of ways; I don't need to hold on to something that
might be causing some readers grief.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 19:56:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1i7tsdINN65@mizar.usc.edu> <1993Jan4.025343.5786@macc.wisc.edu>
  <1993Jan4.081233.27128@spdcc.com> <C0C5Fy.9DD@fig.citib.com>

Greg Parkinson writes:
>Let's be fair here.  Some of us have skin which 
>doesn't respond well to cold dry air, so in the
>winter we use moisturizing creams.

Of course, it's *water* that moisturizes skin, not oils...

Hence my suggestion that you try what I use when I get sunburned,
which I mentioned earlier: Na-PCA, or the sodium salt of
pyrrolidone carboxylic acid.  This is the humectant normally
present in human skin to retain moisture.

Twinlab makes a very simple preparation that comes in a spray
bottle; it's just purified water and Na-PCA with small amounts
of eucalyptus (for scent -and it's a *VERY* little bit), ethanol
(probably to help keep the eucalyptus in solution) and
monolaurin, the prinicpal antimicrobial found in mother's milk.

There are any number of other preparations out there, but this
one is my favorite; it actually works, without loading my skin
up with unnecessary oils, perfumes, or other unwanted
ingredients.

 
() Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:48:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.173553.20574@psych.toronto.edu>
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:

>In article <C0MB65.Ln1@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org
(Roger B.A.  Klorese) writes:

>>It is the observation of queerdom's most sacred holiday, the anniversary
>>of the Stonewall riots.

>>EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.

>I don't see any smilies, but I hope to Gawd you mean this
>sarcastically.

Why?  I think he's got the right idea, m'self.  I admit that
in the minds of some people Xmas is a holier day, and I'll
also admit that that holiday is celebrated on more than one
day.  But apart from differences wrought by long-standing
traditions of that sort, there's no reason not to celebrate
and anniversary *on* the anniversary, which a slight nod to
weekend effects.

-- 
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of skinhead beauty
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:49:55 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <C0DEp5.35L@ibeam.intel.com> hutch@ibeam.intel.com (Steve Hutchison) writes:

>Well, you could always get some of that new "head flocking" spray
>they're advertising on all the cable stations late at night ...
>You know, the "mascara for the top of the head" stuff?  With a
>proper stencil you could make a very interesting impression.

I just _love_ watching the ads for that stuff.  The first time I saw
one of the infomercials for it, only one thought ran through my mind:

Johnny Bench, working on "handyman"-type projects.

He turns to the camera, slaps some of it on top of his head, and says:

    "No runs, no drips, no errors".

I'm just waiting for Krylon brand Outdoor Enamel and Bouffant Enhancer.

--
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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:31:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.001246.16519@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.225713.10637@psych.toronto.edu>
>jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>
>>I keep thinking about how many pounds rice and potatoes I could buy and
>>give to the local food banks for $250.  A single fluid ounce of smelly
>>chemical could feed a person for a month.
>
>>Why do I suddenly have a very bad taste in my mouth?
>
>Either you're putting the perfume on your tongue (Certs
>work better) or your halo is just *too* bright.

I agree about Certs, but no one but my great-grandmother has ever
suggested that I have a halo.  Have you two been talking?

Brian
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: penis size (was Re: Muffin on Parade)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:41:42 GMT

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) wrote: 
->....  Look, everyone has the equipment they have.  The problem, however,
->is not that your dick is big or small.  It seems to be associated with 
->your caring what other people think.  Fuck em. 

... or not.  

they're only people, brent ... they can be replaced.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Re: crabs
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:37:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.050137.17405@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>I'm elated to hear all these success stories of people ridding themselves
>of crabs with one application.  It took me *weeks* of using Kwell and
>boiling my sheets to get rid of the nasty suckers.  At one point they
>were all over me--in my pubic hair, my chest hair, my armpit hair, and
>even the short hair on the back of my head.  Ugh.

Add me to the list of former unsatisfied Kwell users who are *very* happy
with Nix.  The first two times I got crabs, Kwell was prescribed.  The
first time took four applications to finish them off, the second time
took three.  Someone told me about Nix, and it's worked successfully
for me with one application on three occasions now.  (As of last night,
I'm hoping for a fourth.  :-/)

-- 
Michael Bryan     michael@resonex.com
From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Out to parents in relationships (was Re: long-term relationships..
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:42:04 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1993Jan7.140435.28128@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
> In article <KMEYER.93Jan6161800@solarium.aero.org> 
> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>>
>>I have noticed one peculiar characteristic about every couple that
>>I know who have had successful long term relationships.  In every
>>instance, both partners have been out to their parents.
>>
>>Have others seen this same thing?  If so, why do you think it is?
> 
> My mother figured out I was gay _because_ of my
> relationship.  

I think that this may be the case with a lot of people.  When you are in a
relationship you do things that you wouldn't do with "just a friend/roommate". 
(Always going out to dinner with one another, joint vacations, moving to
another city together, etc.)  If their
is any communication at all between the person and their parent(s) it becomes
obvious what the situation is.  How it is dealt with after that (is it
discussed or not?) depends on the people involved.

I also know a few people who want to have a boyfriend before they come out to
their parents.  They want to avoid the "You'll always be alone" statements form
their parents.

Frank


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frank R. Chloupek 
CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu 
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just any Ohio State University) 

"At Ohio State, we celebrate and learn from our diversity and we value 
individual differences.  Academic freedom is defended within an environment 
of civility, tolerance and mutual respect."
--Ohio State Mission and Vision Statement
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "The Crying Game"
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:13:57 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
 >Most of the reviews I saw for it gave nothing away.  They all
 >began with some statement like "This is a great film and I can't
 >tell you anything about it without giving something away."  So
 >I stopped reading them (I read them _after_.)  What I thought
 >was unfortunate was that this practice (ie. _not_ reading the
 >reviews) made me expect a little more than was actually delivered.

Sometimes even this is too much.  I'm convinced that I know at least
one of the major secrets.  I thought I knew already, based on a
phone conversation with a friend who hasn't seen it either, and then
I overheard a large portion of conversation between a couple of
pedestrians following a route very much like ours.   They were
talking about how the reviews didn't give anything away-- *not*
about the film itself!-- but it was all clear from their discussion
anyhow.  

Sigh.  I hope I'm not spoiling it for anyone else.
And I still want to see it.  I can't imagine that it matters that
much, considering everything else I've heard about this film.

 >So, go see it, but don't expect it to be as twisty as, say,
 >"Deathtrap."
Tee hee.  That's fine.  Nobody would describe "Deathtrap" as a 
moral film.  At least I hope they wouldn't.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *X* and Dolphie one in the same?
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 19:39:18 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Melmac writes:
>In another thread, He Who Never Shaves writes of Dolphie:
>
>> I suppose in your insanely youth-centered world, 27 *is* old.
>
>Could it be, perhaps, in light of this and other comments
>made by HWNS, that the postings of *X* and the postings of Dolphie
>have somehow impressed themselves into whatsoever passes for
>neural activity within the mind of HWNS as being from the
>same source?

I suppose so; the two of you *are* awfully similar.  And that's
not complimentary to either one of you, I'm afraid.

 
() Beware of the Turing Tar-pit in which everything is
() possible but nothing of interest is easy.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jmp8p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeannine Marie Pinto)
Subject: Re: Out to parents in relationships (was Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:11:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.005921.7904@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <KMEYER.93Jan6161800@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>>I have noticed one peculiar characteristic about every couple that
>>I know who have had successful long term relationships.  In every
>>instance, both partners have been out to their parents.
>
>This I'd think is generally true, but not in our case.
>14 years and still skirting the issue, believe it or not.

It's not true in our case as well, though we're only up to 7 years.
On the other hand, my family treats us as a couple, regardless of
any explicit declarations verifying that. 

jeannine
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Minds Change *or* How to Mislead With Numbers
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:24:53 GMT

LASAGA <LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu> writes:
>I worked many countless hours for EPOColorado (more than I care to 
>remember).  

	In my opinion - thi sis the telling thing.   A lot of the
anti-boycott finger pointers didn't do much prior to 11/3.
Even the other motsseur who did a LOT of pre-11/3 work isn't
blaming the boycotters for the bad light CO is in, but correctly
,like you show it to be the evil Fundies who lied and our inability to
set the record (pardon the expression) straight sufficiently before
the election.

	Like Oregon a few years ago, CO needs to learn from the mistakes
and correct the problem.  Unlike Oregon and Tampa and other places, 
CO:2 ***is*** being used as a model for 10-12 lookalikes in the next
22 months. (Note that 10% of the time between the 1992 and 1994
elections has almost passed already --- have we made any progress yet?)
That's what makes this both more important and affecting the country
as a whole.  And in that light it is right a just for the country
as a whole to speak up with their voices and with their pocketbooks.

BBC
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:41:14 GMT

In article <C0C9xx.G2M@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> In <thaaang.725849501@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> 
> >As an aside, wouldn't 'wriggling whelp' make a wonderful term
> >of endearment?
> 
> Except when trying to bathe a 10-week-old puppy...  :-)

Which reminds me of a humorous paragraph in Ted Morgan's "Literary
Outlaw," describing how William Burroughs liked to bathe his cats
in his bathroom. He'd first tie their legs together and, accompanied
by their screams and howls, give them a good scrub. Visitors used
to wonder what was with the cat howls coming from the bathroom.

Well, *I* thought it was funny.

--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin)
Subject: BBC - DON'T DRINK THE WATER!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:02:05 GMT

Prattle, prattle, prattle.....

======

>>Besides, the cost of owning a car in Boston is so high that
>>>it would cut too dearly into our clothing allowance.
>>Huh?
>>My insurance doubled when I moved from Boston to San Francisco...
>
>	Oh, don't mind him Roger, I think he's trying to be the Melmac of
>the East.

I prefer to think of him as the Arne of the east.  Think about it...

>BBC, whose insurance went down going from
>NM to Boston...

That's because you live in a toxic waste dump, dear.  If you lived
in Boston, you'd have a different experience.

======

For those unenlightened, BBC lives in Woburn (he THINKS he lives in
Boston), and Woburn is the site of a HUGE EPA Superfund Site ("Wells G
and H" are sooooooo polluted that my lab at MIT, which gets serious
funding from this, has found actual links between the water and
mutagenicity).  When BBC moved from his native (ugh!) Lawerence (which
he also THINKS is Boston, but is really Lowell, MA), he apparently was
not warned about the water.

Tom "never a kind word" Carlin
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female bea
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 19:17:40 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan4.172613.15254@spdcc.com> <72895@cup.portal.com>
  <1993Jan5.103037.2511@macc.wisc.edu>

Jess Anderson writes:
>(George Dalton Madison) writes: 
>>Your skin's own
>>natural oil is the best moisturizer, and so on.
>
>Of course, it's not there if you bathe with soap or
>hot water with any regularity.

Untrue, unless by "soap" you mean pure lye.  A gentle washing
with mild soap will remove excess surface oil without stripping
every last droplet of oil out of the skin, presuming you don't
have overly dry skin -- in which case, removing oil isn't
likely to be a concern of yours.  ;-)

 
() A man should be greater than some of his parts.
()      -- Peter DeVries
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:14:02 GMT


In article <1iftqdINN147@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> In article <mattm-060193143254@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
|> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
|> 
|> > but I, who was once a resident of the San Fernando Valley,
|> 
|> It figures.  Jess, dear, I'd believe the bug spray
|> story if I were you.

Watch it.  *Lots* of us were Valley Boys at one
point.  Toluca Lake/North Hollywood/Burbank area,
to be exact.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Unvarying standards of male unattractiveness
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:13:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.053521.10066@adobe.com>
asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:

>There's a truly wonderful short short story by (damn, I can't remember now,
>can anyone help me?) about someone selling counterfeit Disney memorabilia
>being captured by two people dressed as Disney characters.  They proceed to
>kill him by stuffing bonbons down his throat until he suffocates.

Smurf agents, obviously.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Walk?  Shirley Not! (was Re: Soc.motss: The Color Version)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:11:29 GMT


In article <thaaang.726641631@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance), Slut Royale of the Eastern Plains and
Brazen Boy Boink Buddy, writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>How about Grinnell?  I have a sentimental reason for wanting
>>to do it there, and we could probably considerably
>>scandalize the locals at the small college there.

>How could someone possibly have sentimental attachments to
>Grinnell?

It's a long story, but I'm saving it (with pictures) until
we meet.  But I admit it's a bit on the preposterous side.
Ever been there?  I have.

>Anyway, I was thinking we could just start walking towards
>each other at equal, constant rates, and then strip and
>boink whenever we meet, be it in a badroom, a highway, or a
>gathering of state.

Anywhere we'd meet would be a badroom, that I'm sure of.
But John dearest, this isn't going to be just boinking, it's
going to be Love (for at least 20 minutes).  This season of
the year, we'll have to make *some* preparations, if we're
going to end up lying down in a ditch at the roadside.  But
we could wait until mid-July, then strip naked and run
around in the corn fields.  If they build it we will come.

>      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

One of the better reasons to have a golden hand mirror, yes?

<> If you think that mental illness interferes with
<> financial success, just look at the average television
<> evangelist.
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