HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:52:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr8.195244.22829
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab

In article <1992Apr8.181710.25962@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <724@rtbrain.woodside.ca.us> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
> writes:
<...>
> > First, nothing "causes" flames other than idiocy.
> 
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Glenn, you idiot.
<much drivel deleted>

I'd be careful Nathan.  You are getting close to "sef" status.  (Although, I  
will admit you do back up your arguments, unlike Sean.) :-)

Todd
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: digifix!sanguish@uunet.ca (Scott Anguish)
Subject: Mail From: lines incomplete
Reply-To: digifix!sanguish@uunet.ca
Organization: Digital Fix Development
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:09:00 GMT

My mail from lines are incomplete....


They consist only of 

	sanguish@digfix

and they should be

	uunet.ca!digifix!sanguish@uunet.uu.net

	or

	digifix!sanguish@uunet.ca

I have no idea how to fix this... or how it got broken to begin with.

I would it be better to switch to IDA+sendmail???  Anyone mind helping me  
with the transition??

In a word """HELP"""

Thanks

Scott
-- 
--
I have a brain dead mailer, so please reply to the below.
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Digital Fix Development - fax 519 886 3673           (NextMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Subject: Re: NeXTcube Turbo SIMM Slots
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Organization: SPAMIT
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:25:39 GMT

melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes:
>Here's my computer upgrade path.

>C64 -> C128 -> VCR.

>Basically, I decided several years ago not to buy another computer
>until after college because they become obsolete so quickly.  It's
>pretty damn foolish to spend $5K on a machine that will be obsolete in
>24 months.  50 mips and Realtime Renderman is just going to make you
>wish you had 100 mips, which in 24 months will cost you an equal
>amount of money.

It is certainly true that computer technology is increasing at a tremendous
pace; the price/performance curve is continually moving.  "Logically"
speaking, this means that in order to get the "best" computer, you should
wait forever.  NOT!

Why do we continually need to upgrade, and why do we moan about obsolete
equipment?  There's a very good, very real reason people still run DOS and
use Fortran - it does the job they need it to do.  There is no incentive to
upgrade for them.

I used an Apple II for nearly 12 years until I got a Mac IIci.  Reason?
All I did was program (a little), write papers (a lot) and play games.
What did I need TCP/IP, ISDN, UNIX or 50 MIPS for?  This is the same
reason the builders of the Mac Classic left out ethernet; those
customers don't need it.  It is not a sin to buy a less capable platform
and do moderate tasks with it.

If the platform you have now does what you want it to do, then don't
upgrade.  There are people who continually need the best and fastest
equipment on the market, people for whom another MIP means more work
done in less time.  That does *not* describe most people, or even most
programmers; making a programmer more efficient or better will save you
a lot more than giving him/her a new machine.

This doesn't mean I won't be lusting for 3.0 :<)  Seriously, my point is
simply that you don't need the latest and best technology in a computer
before that computer can do useful things; not does that computer stop
doing useful things just because a newer, faster version came out.

-- 
Subrata Sircar | ssircar@canon.com | Prophet & SPAMIT Charter Member
Canon Information Systems and I do not speak for each other on all things.
"I wish people wouldn't instantly assume that I am an idiot." (Valentine)
"A restaurant is a whorehouse that does food instead of sex." (Roger Lustig)
From: elmar@knipp.en.open.de (Elmar Knipp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: rpc.etherd
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:23:08 GMT
Organization: Private/FRG

Hello Netlander,

are the sources for "rpc.etherd" availible for the NeXT?
Is there an ftp-server with this stuff? 
I need this for an X-based ethernet-load-utility.

Elmar
From: jcooper@apple.com (Jim Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Mac to Next
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:20:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Mar30.032556.1231@parsec.mixcom.com>, alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart) writes:
> 
> >
> >NeXT does not and will not support LocalTalk.
> >For that matter, Apple is strongly encouraging its own users to
> >abandon LocalTalk in favor of EtherTalk and TokenTalk.  (Except
> >on the "toy" models which are apparently being marketed as
> >standalones anyway.)
> >
> >LocalTalk is a dead technology.
> >
> >					-=EPS=-
> 
> Only problem is that there are alot of "toy" models out there.
> Once again in its infinite wisdom, Apple continues to makes the
> "slower" models without ethernet built in. And thus creating
> an obsolence problem for equipment that is still being manufactured.
> Makes sense! NOT!
> 
> Apple: what about a free upgrade to get rid of the dreadly slow
> local talk?
> (perhaps mac users should be requesting this)
> __
> Manuel Alberto Ricart
> alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
> 

Please don't beat Apple up about this.  Apple makes personal computers, not
engineering workstations.  In general they are competing with vendors of
MS-DOS machines, not Sun/HP/NeXT/etc.  They are the only manufacturer of this
class of machines that have any kind of network hardware standard on all
their machines, and also the only one that includes ethernet as standard 
hardware on any machines.

Just so you don't think I'm too much of a corporate lackey, I do think that
Apple should no longer be building machines to which Ethernet can't be
conveniently added (like the Classic and Classic II).  They don't consult me
on these issues, though, and I guess given the sales volume of those machines,
apparently there are a large number of people who just don't care about 
Ethernet.

Jim Cooper
disclaimer (I guess this time I need it):
   My opinions, not Apple's
From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NewsGroup Causes NewsGrazer to crash
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:11:35 GMT
Reply-To: dan@az.stratus.com

In article <1992Apr13.220231.25640@bradley.bradley.edu>  
guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan) writes:
> this policy at NeXT is really annoying.  It makes me feel quite the
> hypocrite when I go around praising the qualities of NeXT and its
> machines.  If anyone at NeXT is noting such things, NOTE THIS!

You should (ALL) send mail to newsgrazer@next.com if you have comments
regarding their policy regarding NewsGrazer.  Maybe we can convince them  
that their attitude needs adjustment.

--
L. W. "Dan" Danz                  VOS Mail:  Dan_Danz@vos.stratus.com
Sr Consulting Software SE         NeXT Mail: dan@az.stratus.com
Customer Assistance Center        Voice Mail/Pager: (602) 852-3107
Telecommunications Division       Customer Service: (800) 828-8513
Stratus Computer, Inc. 4455 E. Camelback #115-A, Phoenix AZ 85018
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Diagram! Engage! Enough!
Organization: Shaman Consulting
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.205331.253@lighthouse.com> gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S.  
Hodges) writes:
> Result: how many exclamation points do you see in the name  
> "Concurrence?"

Wiley -
	Is that the new name for Concurrence, Concurrence? If so, I'll  
have to fix up my NeXTwatch review of Concurrence? It's awful weird to  
review a product with a question mark after it..... Now, could you send a  
Newsgrazer sound bite with the proper pronunciation for Concurrence?  
	Jeez, it's even worse than Diagram! You can say the same about  
Engage! I'm just glad Cliff didn't name Executor, "Executor heh heh heh  
heh heh....".
	I think I will rename The Shaman Group, The Shaman Group. 
That's "The Shaman Group." full stop. Should get editors real confused.  
:-)  

	- Jiro
-- 
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NeXTwatch / Technical Editor		76711,542 (CIS)
The Shaman Group			+1 607 277-1440 (Voice/Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 03:18:55 GMT


In article <1992Apr11.020819.157@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
coco@ihcoco.att.com (Felix A.  Lugo) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.160856.2790@cs.yale.edu>
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:

>	What I do know, however, is that a bigoted FEW want to
>	DICTATE what other people may or may not do in this newsgroup;
>	-- AND I'M SICK OF IT!  (I should have used RTF for this line).

Nobody can (actually) dictate anything, anywhere, in any
unmoderated newsgroup, so you should maybe cool your jets,
rather than complain about a condition that can't exist
other than in your subjective interpretation.

It's my impression that those who don't want RTF in csnm are
more that a few; I think they're the majority, in fact.

Your bigot epithet trivializes and degrades those who oppose
*real* bigotry, one of the world's most serious social
problems.  As a person who has to cope with the results of
bigotry every day, I resent that attitude considerably.

>	c.s.n.MISC:  Hum, it's name sure fits where such postings
>		     CAN be made!

Because a thing *can* be done does not argue that it should
be.

>| If anyone bothers to announce the results of the vote, I'm
>| sure there will be a nice new comp.sys.next.rtf, where
>| such neat posts will most *definitely* belong. 

>	It certainly doesn't mean RTF posts have to stop in THIS
>	newsgroup ...   8^)

We should know the results of the voting in a few hours, as
the deadline is under four hours away as I write.  I had the
*very* strong impression, however, that there was a
near-unanimous consensus that RTF postings would appear
*only* in the csn.rtf newsgroup, which was the primary
reason for proposing that group and a major factor in
expanding the CSN hierarchy at all.

If the new groups pass (I'll be surprised and disappointed
if they don't), then I think it very likely the appearance
of RTF postings here will be met with near-universal
opprobrium.  Nothing (other than good citizenship) would
*prevent* such postings, but that's true of any form of
irresponsibility on Usenet.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: Is the NeXTStation Turbo vertically disadvantaged?
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:03:08 GMT

In article <10APR199210360945@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov> zoeller@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov  
(CHRIS ZOELLER * ZOELLER@LAMPF.LANL.GOV) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.153133.24410@newshost.lanl.gov>, tms@twins.lanl.gov  
writes...
> >In article <9APR199221530916@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov> silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov  
> >(Dick Silbar) writes:
> >> QUESTION: is there any good reason why we _shouldn't_ leave Rachel's
> >> slab standing in its upright position? 
> > 
> >Well, back in my PC days (Yes, it was a sad time indeed :-) I wondered the  
same  
> >thing about my AT.  I was told that as long as the hard drive was formatted  
> >while it was vertical, everything would be fine.  Had something to do with  
> >gravity's effect on the drive heads.  I don't know if this is still true...
> > 
> >Todd
> >PS  Does the extra 2.5 inches make that much difference?  What about a  
higher  
> >chair or lower desk?
> It's not the magnitude of the gravitational force vector, but the
> direction it points in that makes the difference. 

I meant "Does the extra 2.5 inches make it that much more uncomfortable?"

Todd
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!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
From: wisdom@leghorn.cs.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: OpenGL vs. Renderman
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:48:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr16.194806.7743
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr16.185210.8027@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
kocks@jessica.stanford.edu (Peter Kocks) writes:
> ... whereas Renderman is object oriented ...
The 3DKit primitives are object oriented (N3DCamera, N3DShape, N3DShader) but  
RenderMan itself isn't objected oriented.
> ...Basically, write procedural type calls
> in the exact same format as OpenGL requires.   This would be a big
> boon for scientist who like OpenGL and the NeXT platform.
Interesting Idea. Of course, they would be throwing away much of the power of  
RenderMan if they did so, especially if they wanted the code to be portable to  
other OpenGL systems. But at least this could open up NeXTStep/3DKit to those  
who otherwise would never be exposed to it, not to mention allowing NeXT to run  
all that GL software.

Scott Wisdom
wisdom@geom.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rpajarol@iiic.ethz.ch (Renato Bruno Pajarola)
Subject: CD_ROM
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:09:06 GMT

I'm looking for a CD-Rom drive for my NextStation, and of course I'm waiting
for the Next CD-Rom, but as far as I've seen now it is the same drive as
Apple is using.
Both have 380ms average seek time, 64K buffer, 1.5MB burst rate and
150K transfer rate, only the Apple CD-ROM is cheaper than the Next one.
(The prices I've seen: Apple 660$, Next 790$)

But, do Next ship their CD-ROM drive with NextStep 3.0 on CD-ROM
for the same price ?

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    /\ \	Name: Renato Pajarola
   / /\ \	Country: Switzerland
  / /  \ \	Profession: Student in Computer Science
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From: bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Bradley Head)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Is the NeXTStation Turbo vertically disadvantaged?
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:04:59 GMT
Reply-To: bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Bradley Head)
Organization: Headfirst Software, Vancouver, BC, Canada

Dick Silbar writes
> Yesterday our group secretary received her new NeXTStation Turbo
> (monochrome), and I am the designated setter-upper.  We got the Turbo
> running fine as a standalone machine (after moving out the old PC-AT 
> and a few shelves and re-arranging some cords and cables).  However, 
> Rachel is one of those vertically challenged people (she's even shorter
> than I am) and after an hour or so of playing with the machine, her neck
> started getting tired with all that looking upward.  We had mounted
> the monitor on top of the horizontal slab.
> 
Perhaps a better solution would be to:

1. Get a longer monitor cable - ask NeXT.
2. Rachel's table/desk is too high.
3. Rachel is sitting too low - forearms should be parallel with floor


...Brad



-- 
Bradley Head, bhead@hfs.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (NeXTmail :-)
InStep Mobile Communications, Inc., Headfirst Software Ltd. 
Executive of Vancouver NeXT User's Society, Vancouver, BC.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul B. Verket)
Subject: Re: SimonSays(tm): the Review
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:12:49 GMT

izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
: In article <1992Apr12.181020.775@venice.sedd.trw.com>
: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes:
: 
: > I've used Simon for a number of weeks now with a number of mics and can
: > definitely say that the mic's quality and it's rejection of background noise
: > make a large difference in recognition rate.
: 
: When you change the mics, do you have to retrain Simon?

I always did without testing to see whether I could get away with it. 
My aim was to get the best accuracy possible.
: 
: Or can the recognition rate be improved by retraining?

I'm not sure, but I think that retraining tosses the old samples.

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM on a SUN? (was: Sun CD-ROM on a NeXT ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:07:07 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <12093@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)  
writes:
> Darcy Brockbank writes
> > I was able to connect the Sun CD-ROM with no problems whatsoever.
> 
> Now, will it work the other way around?
> 
> can you plug a NeXT CD-ROM device into a SUN and have it p'n'p?
> 
> 	chuck

If anyone on the net wants to send me a NeXT CD-ROM, I'll let you know
if it works on our Suns. :-).

- db

--
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weeping willow, a diminished carnival of sorts." "Who might leave you
where I left off? A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends."
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Caught like flies wishing for tomorrow's jewlery" - M. Stipe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: NeXT and Atari...
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:30:24 GMT

In article <12370@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>  In article <1992Apr4.151212.8500@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>  jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
>  > 
>  > A while back, someone posted news of the new Atari Falcon.  That was
>  > the one with the DSP, True Color, and a lot of things which made it
>  > look similar to the NeXT.  Since that time, a lot of people in
>  > comp.sys.atari.st have been talking about rumors that NeXT is looking
>  > at a joint venture with Atari, perhaps porting NeXTStep to the Falcon,
>  > perhaps looking at the Falcon as a 3rd party, low end NeXT.  No one
>  > there has been able to confirm or deny any of these rumors.
>  
>  Yeah right.  That would be like SUN signing up with Sinclair to port  
>  Openlook to the ZX81 series.  Hahahaah.

Well, a 25mhz 040, 56001, and 24-bit color doesn't sound like a Sinclair to  
me...   Of course, it might not even exist.  If it were cheap and could perform  
as well as a NeXTstation color, it could be HOT with NeXTstep.


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com
Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: The Future Revealed.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:59:54 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Apr13.035754.11198@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip  
McDunnough) writes:

>And it's "most people" who
> will determine the future. 

There you have it folks. The future is DOS.

-Anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Re: Screen Saver
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:08:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.180711.29839@fcom.cc.utah.edu>  
alex@fff.chem.utah.edu (Alex Dommasch) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.023520.27442@colorado.edu>  
fedor@boulder.Colorado.EDU  
> (Adam Fedor) writes:
> > I'm looking for a public domain/commercial screen saver that works 
> > even after I log off.  Does Lockscreen do this? (It wasn't apparent 
> > from the demo that it did).  The screen saver I found on the archives 
> > seemed very buggy.  Could some one please point me to a place where I 
> > can find one?  Thanks.
> > 
> > adam (fedor@boulder.colorado.edu)
> 
> Me too, please!
> 

I have been using PixelSaver 3.0 for sometime now and it seems to work  
okay. It works at the login panel too. It can also use Backspace modules.  
The really neat part is that you can configure it from Preferences.app. It  
also includes a lock screen feature. It is being produced and sold by  
Pixelated Technologies. You can reach them at "charles@dmr.com (Charles G.  
Leinbach)".

Joe

Disclaimer: I do not work for Pixelated. Just a happy customer.
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From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: System Admin. & Re: Adobe Systems Incorporated -- and a Question
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:31:44 GMT
Reply-To: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science

In article <1992Apr9.165330.3692@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca>, jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin) writes:
> here are some of the commonly recommended locations for  
> third party stuff:
> /Apps		Third party NeXT apps owned and used by you only
> /Library	Third party files used by you only
> /Library/Fonts	Third party fonts used by you only

Make that ~/Apps, ~/Library, etc. etc. for "personal" software, where ~
refers to the user's home directory. I'm sure that's what Joe meant to
write. Joe is right; don't muck with the /Next... directories.

While I'm at it, why not point out an official NeXT inconsistency with
this scheme? Why does Installer put third-party package files into
/NextLibrary/Packages instead of, say, /LocalLibrary/Packages? OK, the
relevant directory must be world-writeable, but if they shipped with the
/Local... directories already made, this would be no more of a problem
than the current situation. Yeah, it's a small thing, I know. I would
also prefer that /NextLibrary/TeX go in the local hierarchy, too, since
TeX is shipped uninstalled.

--
erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)