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From: cordes@cs.ua.edu (David Cordes)
Subject: Re: Alabama Rolls over LSU
Keywords: Alabama, Tide, "Hollywood" Robinson
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Alabama
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 14:51:15 GMT

> Alabama Rolled over LSU last night by the score of 77 - 67. James "Hollywood"
> Robinson had a new personal high of 35 points. This is the best Alabama (7-3)
> has looked all year. Look for them to give some teams a good fight this
> year. This was David Hobbs's (Alabama's new coach) first SEC victory.

	This must have been a different game then the one I attended at Coleman last
	night.  True, Bama did win rather easily over LSU, but I would not exactly
	call it "great" performance.  Neither side was overly impressive.  True, James
	is proving to be an excellent one-on-one player, but alternated between some
	truly spectacular moves and some really poorly-judged, ill-timed forced shots.
	I thought Williamson did a decent job on him when he was in, but other than
	that James had a free run against LSU.

	LSU just looked poor.  They showed no offense to speak of, and had little idea
	about what constituted a good shot.  Yet they remained in the game until the
	9:37 mark (roughly) in the second half.  James went on a run and put the game
	away at that point.

	Bama still has some major question marks.  First, it has no real point guard.
	Washington acts like he will bring the ball up if no one else is around, but
	once he makes the first pass he disappears, and it is up to Robinson and Caffey
	to not only run the offense but set themselves up for their shots.  The play
	in the middle was also disappointing, given that Hammick (sp?) spent a large
	amount of time on the bench.  Moore is proving to be both very skinny and very
	unpredictable.  Rogers looked better at times, but also disappeared.  It doesn't
	help that Perry is out with a broken foot for the next month or so.

	I think Bama has a shot at getting their act together and going somewhere, but
	it is going to take both a serious imitation of a real point guard and a consistent
	inside game in order to give Robinson and Caffey the room they need to operate.
	Otherwise, look for lots of "Hollywood Highlights" but little else this year.

|> As for LSU, Look for them to have some more fights this year (remember the 
|> SEC Tourney last year) as they played a rough game last night. It's a 
|> wonder they don't get in more fights since the players come from all over
|> the world and they can't understand each other. 

	True, but this year's LSU team looked as if they don't really care about things.
	Caeser is looking for nothing but his shot, and they don't really have anyone that
	is willing to step up and take charge of their offense.  I think it took them about
	six minutes before they ever set up and ran anything last night.  Lots of talent
	put to little or no use by Dale Brown (gee, there's a surprise).

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David Cordes
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University of Alabama
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	"Strange, his job description clearly called for an illiterate"
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From: hatch@gandalf.nosc.mil (Mark D. Hatch)
Subject: Re: WAC Powers
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:19:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.175741.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>From this weekend's games between four of the WAC powers 
>I draw some conclusions...

Conference play is only one week old.  You should wait a few weeks 
before drawing any conclusions.

>New Mexico starts road trips slowly and end up playing over
>their heads...
>(lost first game by 33 and the second by only 14)

This is definitely not a tradition for New Mexico.  They are usually a
fair road team (for both games of a two game trip), though they have 
had years where they are great at home and horrendous on the road.
Chalk up the big loss in Salt Lake to a GREAT game by Utah.

>UTEP starts road trips out with a bang and then ends
>the trip with less intensity...
>(lost first game by only 7 and lost second game by 21)

This is definitely not the case.  The Miners almost always play a solid 
game.  The team is very weak talent-wise this year (shooting in the low
40's from the field, and less than 60% from the line), but have been 
tough against the quality teams they've played (beat NMSU in Las Cruces,
lost to them in El Paso in overtime, choked away a one point loss to 
UCLA in Pauley, lost by two to Purdue, tied BYU with 1:50 left in the
game, only to be outscored by seven from then on).  We've generally 
survived on tough defense and ball control, but just ran into a buzz saw
in Salt Lake.

>Utah always catches teams at their worst...

>BYU always catches teams at their best...

I think you just have to give Utah some credit.  They destroyed two of
the conferences perennial powers the first weekend of play.  I wasn't
that impressed with the Utes coming into WAC play, but they have my 
attention now.  I don't know if Grant and company can keep it up, but
they did play the best ball in the conference over the weekend.  I still
think that BYU is the team to beat, but the Utes have impressed.

Hopefully UTEP and New Mexico can return the favor when the Utah teams
take the trip to the desert.  It's hard to win in both locations.

>arthur

							Mark Hatch
From: metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:15:37 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Department of Physics
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Helluva game, folks!

What did people think?  I was very impressed with Travis Best.
I was not very impressed with any of the Dookies but Grant Hill.
He had a good game, but I don't think as great as the announcers
seemed to think.  Sometimes it seemed like they'd heap praise
on him if he burped, but that's my opinion.

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From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Kentucky - Georgia
Keywords: Ugh
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:48:11 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Two quick comments:

1. Georgia holds up the axiom that teams that like to press sometimes don't do
so well when pressed themselves.
2. I wish Laettner had stomped Martinez instead of Timberlake.  He can flop
with the best of them.


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From: clancy@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel J. Clancy)
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Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:25:45 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1993Jan11.222217.4149@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
>Mackey - 6'11"  Hurley - 6' Hurley was croutched down in a defensive
>posture. It just so happens that this posture made his head level with
>Mackey's mid section. Did you see Mackey EMPHASIZE the forearm? Did it
>look CHEAP or like it was malicious and meant to harm. Could you say that
>you wouldn't brace yourself like he did? 

Is it melicous or meant to harm when I hit somebody's hand as I
am trying for a steal?  No whether it was malicious or not has
nothing to do with whether it was a foul.  If it was malicious then
it is a technical foul (which is clearly was not).  Yes, it is natural to
brace yourself when someone is about to run into you and to thrust
towards him to avoid getting knocked over.  This, however, is not legal.  If
you are setting a pick and get run over then it is a foul on the other
player.  If you are setting apick and move towards the on coming player then
it is a foul on you.  I do not think that he did it to hurt Hurley in
any way; however, Mackey did move forwards slightly.

That said I think that this is a perfect example of something that could have
been called either way.  Everything isn't black and white.  Yes, it was
a slight foul and the reason it was cal was the force with whcih Bobby
went to the floor.  This led the ref to believe that the force that MacKey applied
was greatere than it actually was.  A very understandable mistake since the
ref did not watch in TV umpteen times.  If the refs had not called it
a foul, I think that this also would have been reasonable.

>
>There was no foul. Mackey had position, and Hurley ran into him. Mackey
>didn't try to decapitate him. If you think so, then great, but I and the
>majority of others think differently "dude."

At no point did someone suggest that Mackey tried to decapitate him.  The
question was whether it was a foul.  I also was wondering what poll you 
took to back-up your last claim?  How many people did you ask and from
what pool did you select them?

Dan Clancy


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From: burgin@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Robert Burgin)
Subject: Re: UNC vs NCSU
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:52:45 GMT

In article <29499@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>Is Les Robinson's job in jeporady?  I've noticed that he has done poorly
>in recruiting lately; I don't think he snatched a single top 150 player 
>(this is hard to believe).  If this is true, then it looks like NCSU
>is going to be the ACC doormat for some years to come.

	Isn't this the first year that NCSU has been out from
	under the recruiting restrictions placed on them by
	the NCAA for various and sundry infractions under Jimmy
	V?  If so, it may be unfair to judge Les's recruiting
	ability at this point.

	Besides, he recruited Chuck Kornegay, who was definitely
	a top 150 - probably top 30 - recruit.  If Chuck could
	just keep up his grades...

	--rb

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: LSU-Stanford results??
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:46:45 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Dec22.212856.21485@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami) writes:
>But still, they had their moments and hung tough.  So if the Pac-10(*)
>is as bad as everyone says, then maybe the Cardinal can be middle-
>of-the-pack.  But on every objective scale I would say they SDDD.

Just catching up after vacation and I had to respond to this. The Pac-10
is as bad as everyone says, UCLA gets ripped at Pitt, Arizona lost to
someobody(Providence?) and Cal(minus Kidd) gets ripped by Cornell after
losing to James Madison with Kidd! 

Oregon St. is like 3-5 and these are supposed to be the best teams in the 
whole league?

UCLA takes on Arizona on thursday night, and frankly I have no clue which
team will win because neither team has really established any sort of
consistency so you can tell how good they are.

Bad year in the Pac. Cal might actually improve with Hendrick out getting
his knee scoped, they were trying to play him like nothing was wrong, and he
was hurting the team while he was on the court, hopefully he will come
back 100% this time, the real Hendrick will make this a legit top 25 team,
but without him they might be more like top35-40. Of course if Campanellis
discipline statement(beching Murray after he scored half their points against
Cornell) lasts longer, they may have a problem with Murray too.




Russ Smith
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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:33:45 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan11.222217.4149@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
>Rob Mac:
>
>RJ> Okay dude, next time we're on the playground, and I'm setting a pick
>RJ> and as you come by I deliver a forearm to your head, just remember
>RJ> that was no foul.
>
>Mackey - 6'11"  Hurley - 6' Hurley was croutched down in a defensive
>posture. It just so happens that this posture made his head level with
>Mackey's mid section. Did you see Mackey EMPHASIZE the forearm? Did it
>look CHEAP or like it was malicious and meant to harm. Could you say that
>you wouldn't brace yourself like he did? 

	If it had been malicious and meant to harm, it would have been a fla-
grant foul and worthy of ejection.  Nobody is claiming that.  He *did* turn
toward Hurley as Hurley ran into him.  It doesn't matter if this was reflexive
or not, it's still a foul unless you stand *absolutely* still.

>There was no foul. Mackey had position, and Hurley ran into him. Mackey
>didn't try to decapitate him. If you think so, then great, but I and the
>majority of others think differently "dude."

	If you think it requires intentional attempt to harm for a foul to be
called, then you are slightly misinformed.

>Mike Dunnagan ---
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Dean Smith (Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:13:25 CST

In article <1993Jan7.214258.18189@samba.oit.unc.edu> Craig.Simpson@launchpad.unc.edu (Craig Simpson) writes:
>
>If you don't have the knowledge, then don't make the statements.

This post that I am responding to was over 350 lines!  I assume all of
Craig's statements were based on "knowledge".
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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: Ward vs Cassell was UVa/FSU
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:55:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.211549.16732@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan) writes:
>Bill:
>
>>  Many
>> people have told me that FSU was ranked high because of how
>> they were expected to do when Charlie Ward arrived.  Well guess
>> what?  He was there last night.  I just don't buy it.
>
>I don't either. What am I missing here? Charlie Ward is talented, but I
>think Sam Cassell is better, and it's a shame if they think they need him
>to win. Maybe they do, and he will no doubt contribute, but that team
>should not feel like he is their saving grace.
>
Better at what? Probably a better shooter but no way is he a 
better point guard. Cassell is at his best when all he has to
worry about is shooting and a little free-lancing on D. I'd
say the 'Noles are a much better team with Ward running the 
show and will indeed be better when Charlie gets his legs.


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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: Our Championship (was: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:53:20 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
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Let's get something clear.  Not very many people hate the Duke Basketball
team.  For the most part they seem to be intelligent young men who are
for the most part well mannered and extremely talented basketball players.
So when you Pukies refer to 'people who hate us' just be clear who that
first person pronoun refers to.  Not the team (defined here as the men who
go to practice and put on uniforms for games), the obnoxious fans.  For the
most part the Duke fans have gotten away with being a bunch of spoiled
little pricks because the school has an ok academic reputation.  (ok, better
than ok, but I am kind of ticked at this moment)  I would be willing to bet
the true students at Duke spend more time in the library than waiting in
line for tickets, could give a rat's ass how many championships they win,
and have a self esteem apart from some testosterone driven need to feel a 
part of something equated with success.

No, I am not bitter about Iowa losing to Duke in the last two NCAA tourneys.
In fact, before I saw that little trick by Laettner against Kentucky in last
year's tourney, I liked Duke a helluva lot more than I liked Iowa.  The fans
have just gotten to be too much.  I now know why so many people hate Notre Dame
football fans.  Sorry fellows, I have no connection with this university
other than being employed by it.  I went to school to learn, not watch the
sports teams.  A quote by Bob Mould comes to mind 'sooner or later friend,
you've got to fall'.  Flame me if you must, but that is the truth as I see
it.  Surely I am not the only one on this net who is sick to death of hearing
about Duke?  Perhaps it is just me.

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UCLA/Arizona
Keywords: Quick summary
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:31:25 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1ikjiiINNrti@shelley.u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>(2)  Stoudamire (Damon, not Antouine) is the best point in the Pac Ten.

Right now I would agree,Kidd is still making too many rookie mistakes,
and Stoudamire is a better shooter, but by March I would expect Kidd to
best point guard in the league.
>(4)  Mills had a lot of points (25+), but they sure seemed to come quietly.

Ditto, there was one play on the break where Geary fed him for a layup and
I thought to myself thats his first bucket, Butler has really shut him down,
only problem that bucket gave him 12 points in the game and it was still in
the first half. He is a really good player.
>(7)  Where the hell was Tarver?

Stuck out at the top of the damn key. The whole game Harrick had Butler and
Tarver taking the ball from the top of the key and trying  to dribble drive
to the bucket. All it produced was a lot of off balance pull up jump shots,
and a lot of long rebounds. Ed O was the only guy who had any success taking
his man off the dribble in the half court set.

Was it me or did Vitale make a mountain out of a molehill with Dempsey?
He made it sound like Arizona withdrew the scholarship and he ended up
at UCLA by default, and thats not true. He did not qualify so he went
to JC to get his grades up, in the meantime Arizona signed 5 good kids
for this year and had no scholarship to offer him. I thought he played well
though.




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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: UNC defeats Maryland
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:54:22 GMT

Curtis Hill:

>  This game was another excellent performance
> by Phelps.

My only criticism of him is his fast break play. He rarely passes off on a
fast break. I like to see the ball exchange hands a few times on the
break, and Derrick seems to hog it. Of course, I could be wrong. <g>

> However, Carolina had a another near 30 point victory and scored
> 100 points again in a workmanlike performance.

Do you think this is reflected in the polls?

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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Purdue and Reality
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 10:40:16 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan5.135554.16246@pmafire.inel.gov> wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner) writes:
>Anytime Matt (AOBP) Painter hits 4 or 5 treys and scores 14 points *and*
>the Boilermakers are undefeated, it's time for a reality check.
>
>
Purdue does look good so far, but I'm curious:
where are their points coming from?
Who and where on the court?
 
And as for Michigan, how are they in the paint?
 
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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: B. Knight transfers
Keywords: Knight, Indiana, Malcom Sims
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:12:55 GMT

In <C0GKn4.5y2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:

>Since it is accepted wisdom in some circles that Bob works miracles
>with little talent, I was wondering.  Could a coach build a National
>Championship team from Knight players who transfered or left?
>Here is my list.   Can you make additions?  

>Imaginary lineup 
>	1.  Isaiah Thomas      		Detroit 
>	2.  Delray Brooks  		Providence? 
>	3.  Rick Calloway  		Kansas	
>	4.  Larry Bird  	 	Indiana St.
>	5.  Lawrence Funderburke 	OSU  
>	6.
>	7.  etc 

>Does ISU coach Bob Bender belong here too? 

>If the IU cooks could make better chili, they might be 
>able to hang onto those Cincinatti kids!

There was an article on this subject in the local paper when Malcolm
Sims left.  Turns out that Knight has a lower freshman transfer rate than
many other Big Ten coaches. I think he gets better recruits to begin with.

Is Lawrence Funderburke really a loss?

Will


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