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From: cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: LD vs. Film ( was Re: Dracula - Francis Ford Coppola )
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:23:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.114219.5915@ifi.unizh.ch>, hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner) writes:
> In article <Bxyzx1.LwJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> vaughan@fe744.cc.purdue.edu (jake vaughan) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov16.174824.9672@athena.mit.edu> eprice@sybase.com writes:
> 
> #Laserdiscs are 'OK`!?  Yes, it is true that nothing can compare with seeing a
> #film on a big screen but the quality that your getting from watching a
> #laserdisc far outweighs what your getting in most theatres.
> 
> Dear Mr. Vaughan, either you have a funny definition of quality or atrocious 
> cinemas in your neighbourhood or both. There is absolutely no question wether
> a high quality LD is image quality wise inferior/equal or superior to a high
> quality 35mm ( or even 16mm ) print. It is by far inferior concerning relevant
> image quality measures as spatial resolution ( sharpness ), colour rendition
> ( colour gamut ) and contrast. Unless you compare a first rate LD with a x-th
> generation print in a pitiful condition, on cheap material and sloppily pro-
> jected there is no way the LD can win image quality wise. Period.

As might have been pointed out, the LD images are also generated from the
film.  It's impossible for them to have more detail than the original.
If the original were grainy (which is pretty unusual), then the LD would
simply digitize the grain.

> #being projected from a small piece of film and being blown up to an enormous
> #size creating a grainy picture at best.  Sure, I prefer a huge screen to a 40
> 
> There is more or less grain depending on the film speed and format, print gene-
> ration etc.. 

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From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: IMAX: Antarctica
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:00:04 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
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Does anyone know if this movie is still playing around the
country? If so, where?
(Please email, since I normally don't read this group ...)
Thanks,
Doug Steves

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From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Subject: Re: Final Approach; Did it show in theaters?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:15:54 GMT

>> It did play in little artsy theaters around the country for about 2-3 weeks.
Unfortunately I was gone for most of that time and never got to see it - though
I know it's supposed to be excellent!
>> Anyone else? Soundtrack?
>>DOC
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From: awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh)
Subject: ILM on CBC(Star Wars slip)
Reply-To: awalsh@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:14:18 GMT

On Adrienne Clarkson Presents last night (an arts & culture show) she
was doing a story on Animators from Sheridan College in Oakville, Ont
and what they're doing now. One of them was the creator of the T-1000
effects. They went into detail of the processes for animation, and
the backgrounds of the animators. Anyway, the guy from ILM showed 
her around the workshop. He pointed out the Scoleri brothers from
Ghostbusters II, models of the T1000 in various morphing phases, and 
this:

"Here's a model of C-3PO, from the Star Wars movies. We're doing a new
model for...(brief pause) a project."

It would seem that at the time of filming, George had everybody under
oath not to divulge any info on the film. It's quite obvious what 
"project" he was working on. This leads us to believe that yes, there
is some concrete work being done on the new trilogy.
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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Morphing in DRACULA
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:38:07
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
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In-reply-to: walker@Ingres.COM's message of 16 Nov 92 20:21:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.202149.488@pony.Ingres.COM> walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker) writes:
-> In article <1e8pr6INN9lm@agate.berkeley.edu>, peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (P writes...
-> >Coppola keeps talking about how he eschewed post-production effects for
-> >in-camera effects to capture that "early cinema" feel... However, at the
-> >end, when Dracula turns back into Vlad (thanks to the light of the Lord)
-> >wasn't that a morphing effect? And if so, doesn't that throw out Coppola's
-> >claim of not using high-tech sfx? (If it wasn't a morphing effect, then it 
-> >was a series of dissolves, but the transformation seemed too smooth to these
-> >eyes...)
-> > 
-> >Just curious!
-> > 
-> For the benefit of all us non-technical film buffs....what is MORPHING?
-> Thanks.
-> 
-> 			-- Lynn --

	It's a computer graphics technique that takes two
two-dimensional images and generates the steps in between to create a
smooth transition.  It was used heavily in T2 to make the T1000 change
shape.  There's also a recent commercial that has various objects
morphing into a compact disk.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
From: firenza@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Dracula mistake maybe
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:11:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

  I noticed that after Keanu Reeves character reappeared towards the end of the
movie, his hair kept changing color.  It went from black to gray to black to a
lighter gray and then almost all gray.  Was this some sort of error, or did I
miss something.  I was getting sort of confused.

firenza@wpi.wpi.edu
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: A DIEHARD Question II
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:08:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov18.061744.29616@mixcom.com> Alice.Cramer@mixcom.mixcom.com (Alice.Cramer) writes:

[Question about how McClane knew Hans was lying when he said his name was
 Bill Clay deleted.]

>I must have watched this movie 10+ times before I finally figured this out. 
>I'm kind of glad someone else didn't get this right away too.  McClane offers
>Hans a cigerette sometime during the conversation and Hans takes it and
>doesn't think anything of it, however, the cigerette was EUROPEAN and though
>I'm not a smoker I know there is a difference between American cigerettes and
>others.  McClane even mentions things at one point earlier in the movie when
>he first gets them. 


OK, OK.

But!  How did HANS know that name?

How did he know that there was someone who worked here named Bill Clay?
And how did he know that it was on the marquee?

Had he just looked at the marquee seconds before, while we weren't watching?
I find that a little toooo convenient....

So how did Hans know?

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From: Terri Buchman <buchman@osf.org>
Subject: Re: Dracula - Francis Ford Coppola
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72E55A58C02080F@alimac5.osf.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 07:54:13 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.000759.28969@wam.umd.edu> Yong-Mi Kim,
kimy@wam.umd.edu writes:
>The reviews on the net I have read so far fall into two camps:
>1) the positive, praising the techniques and treatment of the story,
>and in general all those elements that go into making a movie in
>addition to a plot and actors, and 2) the negative, blasting the
>movie for not being a cinematic equivalent of pulp fiction: "Just
>give me the story, dammit, and some cool special effects, and forget
>about any high-falutin' experimenting."

There is always the possibility that some people disliked the movie
for not being a good movie.  Intelligent people can agree to
disagree without having to resort to inuendo that the other side is
an ignorant moron.  Many net.folks didn't care for the special
effects or pacing or casting or script of this movie.  These are
major elements of any film and go beyond the 'who let the rustics in
here' approach that you are advocating.  

I would have liked the "high-falutin' experimenting." if it had
served the movie better.  As done it had the effect of distancing me
from the film and the characters.  I found myself thinking about the
director and why he wanted to have silly tracking shots, filled with
ominous music, that lead nowhere instead of being entraced by the
effect..   I found myself wincing at the extremely bad dialogue
instead of being captivated by an offbeat love story.   FFC did not
do a good job on this film, he let the whole devolve into little
pieces and I found the whole thing cold and shallow.

TerriB.
From: lundin@solbourne.com (Thomas Lundin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Actors List
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:51:06 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kokopeli.solbourne.com

Could someone post me Harvey Kietels section of the
actors list please? I would greatly appreciate it.
Also could you do Lee Marvin and Steve McQueen?
	Thanx
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:32916 alt.postmodern:2714 alt.cult-movies:10351
From: davidw@aifh.ed.ac.uk (David Wren)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.postmodern,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:58:31 GMT
Reply-To: davidw@aifh.ed.ac.uk (David Wren)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov15.192411.6913@ohm.york.ac.uk>, jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John
Nicoll) writes:
# In <1992Nov14.031723.14448@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lfiddick@nyx.cs.du.edu
(larry fiddick) writes:
# 
# 
# >what is his latest film?
# 
# As far as I know, PG's latest film (1991) was `Prospero's Books', 
# based on `The Tempest'. (Not one of his best, IMHO).
# 
# BTW, Did his fairly wonderful `Dante's Inferno' ever reach the US?
# 
# 	john N
# 
# -- 
# john nicoll (jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk)
# Department of Electronics  University of York
# Heslington   YORK YO1 5DD U.K
# NEW PHONE! Tel +44 (904) 433221   Fax +44 (904) 432335

The film that Greenaway is working on at the moment is called "500 Men on 
Horseback", I think. Sounds like typical Greenaway! I agree that Prospero's
Books 
was not one of his best. Stunning to look at and listen to, though, and much
better
than Jarman's horrible version of "The Tempest".

-- 
David Wren 
Department of A.I.
Edinburgh University
davidw@aifh.ed.ac.uk
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: BSD (Dracula) - Who to root for? (SPOILERS)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:40:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov17.174057.58646
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1e8ounINNg15@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>By the way, whoever complained about the number of form changes had
>a valid point, for a very important reason. You're right that
>in the older movies, Dracula also changes form a lot. However,
>in those, the possible extent of these changes are defined (as
>are the rest of Dracula's powers).  In Coppola's film, the
>extent of these powers are not defined. We don't have Van Hesling
>(as he did in the book and in the Lugosi film) explain that
>the vampire can appear as mist, as a bat, as a wolf, etc. Thus,

Actually, Van Helsing DID define the powers.  He explains to someone this
very thing.
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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:34:30 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

}Planet of the Apes was released the same year as 2001: A Space Odyssey.
}Apes won the Oscar for Best Costumes.  It was later noted by 
}either a media critic or Kubrick himself that the Academy voters
}probably didn't realize the pre-humans in 2001's "Dawn of Man"
}sequence were very agile dancers in costume, and that they probably
}thought they were very well trained simians of some kind. Compare
}if you wish, the simian costume jobs on both films and draw your
}own conclusions :-) 

But when you're doing that, keep in mind that the "apes" from _Planet
of the Apes_ were not supposed to be pre-humans, like in _2001_, nor
even modern apes, but rather the result of thousands of years of
evolution on apes.  Evolution sufficient to give these apes intelligence
and speech.  So who's to say whether the costumes were "accurate" or not?

--James Preston

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From: krajnatg@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna)
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:41:40 GMT

scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl) writes:

>In article rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
>  >Exterior filming on Jurassic park took place on the Hawaiian 
>  >island of Kauai. As the eye of
>  >the hurricane passed overhead, Spielburg and other brave souls stepped
>  >outside to experience the strange calm and exotic clouds that inhabit
>  >the eye of a hurricane.

>OK, so out of my naivete, what is exactly wrong with stepping out of your
>place for a few minutes to catch the eye of a storm?

There's absolutely no problem in being out in the eye of a hurricane.  (But
don't step on any downed power lines...)  The problem comes (literally) if
you're *still* outside when the other side of the eye wall comes cruising in.

--Tom K.
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From: ych@cs.utah.edu (Yuan Hsieh)
Subject: Re: Dracula (Spolier?)
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:42:35 MST
Keywords: minor spoilers
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <26695@optima.cs.arizona.edu> margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
>I was in to the story, trying to see what new twists there might be.  Nothing
>of interest, nothing that glued me to my seat.  It's funny, sometimes. You
>and others go to a movie, come out, and start discussing it, and it's like,
>did we really see the same movie??  Maybe I did miss something, but I'm
>not going to suffer through it again.
>
>margaret

I am not implying that you missed the point about Dracula being a love and
horror story.  Nor am I implying that Dracula is a good romance movie.  Since
I simply do not enjoy watch romance movies as a genre, I cannot criticize the 
story in that aspect.  

However, with all that aside, I enjoyed the movie.

On reflection, I agree with you that the plot and the characterization are 
weak.  But, the pretty pictures, all by themselves , somehow, developed an 
atmosphere that drawn me into it as I sat and watched the movie.  I felt that I
was in the same time and space as they were, even thought I was not interested
with the characters on the screen.  And, by been in that universe, 
the story enhanced itself.

Perhap, I did see a different movie than you.  I saw the  movie as
a story composed of images,  and you saw a movie in term of written
plots, spoken dialogues and character interactions.  Different aspect of the
same movie, but I believe equally valid.

I hope this clarifies whatever it is that we are discussing, and maybe we
will just have to agree to disagree.

-Y'
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Bodyguard
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:54:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <BxzG7F.6E0@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> keenstev@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Keen) writes:
>Has anyone heard any advance word on The Bodyguard with Whitney Houston
>and Kevin Costner?

It's breaking box office records in Japan, where it is in current 
release....

Chua
+==+

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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Romper Stomper
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:16:06 GMT

I know this film was released in Australia last week,
can anyone give me (or this board) a  thumbs up or down.

Otherwise I will have to see it myself and post something.



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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: ALADDIN INSIGHT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:09:11 GMT

Courtney Powell (courtney@sequent.com) wrote:
> 
> You'll notice in your Aladdin offical movie soundtrack that the voice
  of the peddler in the first two tracks is none other than "Bruce Adler".
  I, myself, am guilty of thinking Adler was Williams.

You're not completely guilty, because Adler is the singing voice of the
peddler and Williams is the speaking voice.

> 	Also, I noticed a discrpency of the names of the lead vocals for 
> Aladdin and Jasmine and the names of the actors doing the voices. Confused?
> I mean, I think Disney must've hired 2 Aladdins: Mr. Aladdin-who-just-talks-
> alot and Mr. Aladdin-who-sings-big-songs. Mmmm..
> 	So you can check: Lead Vocals for Aladdin is Brad Kane, Lead Vocal for
> Jasmine is Lea Solonga.

Yup.  Scott Weinger (who was on the show "The Family Man") is the speaking
voice of "Aladdin" and Brad Kane is the singing voice.  Linda Larkin speaks
Jasmine and Lea Salonga sings Jasmine.  This was the subject of much
controversy when I brought it to everyone's attention a few weeks ago.....


	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: STAR WARS
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:49:06 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century

ma90alb@brunel.ac.uk (Ashley L Brandwood) writes:

>Also does anyone know WHY they [SW & tESB] were withdrawn?

My guess is that Lucas wants to do a 'Disney' with them. Release them
very couple of years with tremendous hype, get oodles of money from 
yet another generation of filmgoers, and then withdrawn then again, 
giggling all the way to the bank.

Of course, that's just my EHO. Anyone out there with the straight dope?

>Ashley (Treasurer of Brunel Film Society)

P.
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Amish and photos (was Re: Dracula)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:29:05 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Nov17.122624.25432@osf.org>, buchman@osf.org (Terri Buchman) 
> In article <26562@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Margaret Newman,
> margaret@cs.arizona.edu writes:

>>I have a question on vampires not having a reflection in mirrors. 

> The vampire cast no reflection because it has no soul.  Some
> cultures believe that there is a spiritual link between a person and
> the image that they cast.  The Amish dislike of having their picture
> taken stems from the belief that when you take their image you take
> a little piece of them, their souls, away.

Then of course there's John Book:

"Take my picture, and I'll rip off your braziere and strangle you with it"
(Or something to that affect)

[This is Harrison Ford as a Philadelphia cop posing as an Amish man in the 
film _Witness_]

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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REVIEW: BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA (SPOILERS)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov17.153725.29027@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>  
kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lewis C. E. Butler) writes:
> 
>      Oldman is a wonderfully powerful vampire.  His performance  
manages
> to bring a certain sympathy, much as Karloff's Frankenstein's  
monster
> did.  Dracula is not evil in this film, just misunderstood.   
Perhaps
> this film reflects our times in the belief that no one is evil, and  
no
> one beyond redemption.  Interstingly enough, Oldman's undead  
Dracula
> seems to be most alive of all the main characters, with the  
possible
> exception of Hopkins' Van Helsing.
> 

I disagree. Dracula IS evil in this film, though he also has
a good side. He brings home a baby to feed to the female vampires
at the castle.  He kills Lucy. Except in his relationship
with Mina, he is detestable. Mina simply brings out what little
"good" that is left in him.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: movie goofs list
Keywords: goof, list
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au

In <mueller.721986479@fi> mueller@iwf.mabp.ethz.ch (Mueller Beat) writes:

>what happened to the movie goofs list? i have not noticed any update
>since a long period. does anyone know better?

>any hints are appreciated.

I kept the list for most of last year, but I handed it over to Michael Gaines
(meg5184@hertz.njit.edu) when I thought I was losing net access (graduation
sux).

Anyway, he doesn't post it here as often as most people would like.

The latest version is 3.6, and it is archived at

boulder.colorado.edu:/pub/tv+movies/lists/movie.goofs.Z
					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  I think.

>zosh

Cheers,
Murray
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