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From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Dead Sea Scrolls. Essenes.
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:14:09 GMT

Some would say that Jesus was a member of a Jewish Splinter Group. Teh Essenes
(sp). IT is possible..

But yes the Dead Sea Scrolls might just shed some light on the early history
and of Jesus (Joshua?). But question is will many wish to keep them quiet and
to sensor them, control them.. After all many pople have based all their
religious power on the Old Catholic Bible, and the KJV Bible and other
translations of later text than the Dead Sea Scrolls and other early Bibles
found.. The Dead Sea Scrolls are not the only early Bibles Found in part or
some books.. It will be interesting to find that the Bible of today is flawed..
But will those flaws be allowed to be known? We shall see..

Camai, Shalom and Guten Aben(sp)..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: bam003@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re:  the Anti-Jed
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:25:35 GMT

Heh....  Nice tale!  That must've been a year or two before I got to the U of
MN...  
In Spring of '90 only Brothers Max (nearly as well-known as Jed) and Dan showed
up.
	Max is known as the man who liked to beat the Word of God into his
wife.  Max oughta get a real job.
	And for those in the know, what happened to Br'er Dan?  Did he go back
to his day job as the Strutting San Diego Chicken?

Spring of '91 brought Max again, with a new trainee, Brother Leonard.  I don't
think Brother Leonard was gonna make the cut:  he was nearly intelligent enough
to think for himself.  He knew some philosophy (well, he didn't know
philosophy, but he knew about philosophers), and he got beat on a little bit -
it was big news at the U that Spring - a (black) guy kicked Leonard, three
white guys grabbed the black guy and held him down, a lesbian started screaming
racism, one of the guys made homosexual jokes about her, and the MN Daily took
photos...  From the Destroyers 'peaceful' spiel came racism, homophobia,
'religionism' (???), and photo-ops... Tee Hee...  I just wish that people
didn't feel that physical abuse would solve the problem of Jed and Co....  This
is America, and no matter how distasteful the message, they have a right to
spew it.  On the other hand, as one of the founders of University Atheists and
Unbelievers, I am biased towards free speech...  
	Speaking of which, if there are any readers at the U of MN in Mpls,
please check to see if UAaU is still around.  I transferred and haven't heard
anything in quite a while.  Thanks!
-Brian
From: dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein)
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Brother Jed on Usenet!
Date: 31 Dec 1992 18:16:36 GMT
Organization: Chaos under Glass
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Brother Jed is in the process of getting an account, and should be
on the net and posting to alt.brother-jed in the near future.

--Dave ("Should we warn alt.flame") Weinstein

-- 
Dave Weinstein
Internet: dweinste@gnu.ai.mit.edu
"Wives have no sympathy for Rugby injuries." -- Dan Smith
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 22:13:28 GMT
Organization: DG. SID, Atlanta, GA

In article <237@spchsys.spchsys>, jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley) writes:
|> >(Bill Rawlins) writes concerning Jed's intolerance:
|> 
|> >>>   Perhaps you think it's a virtue to be tolerant of everyone.
|> >>> 
|> >>|> Yes, I do.   
|> >> 
|> >>       Your true position revealed and thus the bone of contention.
|> >>       God is not tolerant of sin.  He hates it.  But he offers you a way
|> >>       out - if you will accept it.
|> >> 
|> 
|> If I might ask about this here: Why is it that people who claim that they
|> somehow know what God wants always deliver the same poison? It's either
|> 'God hates this' or 'God must destroy that'. Then they tell you that
|> you must totally submit to their dogma, completely (with your mind, your
|> heart, and let's not forget your WALLET). They say that failure to comply
|> will result in eternal suffering. This is Jed's message.

   Regardless of what you feel about the messenger, the message is a very
   serious one.  Most of the Jed-haters hate being told that there are
   divine laws - which they do not like; for example, laws against fornication.
   There are many scriptures that warn of the eternal danger of fornication,
   much less the chances of AIDS, Herpes, etc.  So you have a choice to
   make regardless of how you feel about the messenger.  Some say, I will
   not accept the message because I do not like the messenger.  Okay, the
   loss is yours and your excuse won't help you on judgment day.  Jed's dogma
   is the Bible.  Take the time to investigate its claims.
 
|> 
|> It has really gotten me down, and this is no joke. It is not about 'God',
|> but rather man-made religions, which attempt to explain what we don't
|> understand. It is these preachings of hate and intolerance which I can
|> not understand. I think if more people saw that organized religion is
|> the PROBLEM, and not the answer, that would be the first step, at least,
|> to a better world. 

   You are right about intolerance.  You are wrong about hate.  You don't
    understand or you are are merely throwing out a term to help you justify
    your own rebellion to God.  God loves you - yet he has a set of laws that
    he will enforce.  Would you expect the police not to enforce their laws
    that have been written?  Examine the Bible and repent (which means to
    turn from your ways and surrender to God's ways).  Hold your anger back
    long enough to think about it.  And I won't say, "I told you so" when
    you do.  I will rejoice, not for my sake, but for yours.

    Read Romans 3:23-25, John 3:16.  Jesus is the one who can reconcile you
    to God, if you turn to him.
|> 
|> 
|> -John
|> 

    - Bill
-- 
             ==========================================================
            //  Bill Rawlins            <wpr@atlanta.dg.com>        //
           //   "My views are my own"                              //
          ==========================================================
From: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Re: Lighten Up!
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:56:31 GMT
Reply-To: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

In article <168C5D297.KAPLAN@YaleADS.CIS.Yale.Edu>, KAPLAN@YaleADS.CIS.Yale.Edu writes:
>This was such such an amusing group before all you ravers took over.
>Put a cork in it!
> 
>                 ...Reid Kaplan

     I agree!  It was so much fun reading about Where Is He Now????
I was going to tell the neat bit about the Anti-Jed at the U of Minnesota, but
forget it.  Also, I'm planning the Elvis Shrine and Boogie palaquin for spring,
when one of Jed's boys is coming to tell us what awful creatures we are.  I
hope I can find a Velvet Elvis in time!

                           Outside of a dog,  books are Man's best friend.
                           Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

                           La Mort.
P.S. Mail me for the tale of the Sister Cindy Look-alike-contest
                                 (DIS-CO QUEEN!)
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: aabst5@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: JEWS -- JESUS -- AND JED!
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: jesus@god.org
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec22.174147.21047@samba.oit.unc.edu>, danielg@med.unc.edu
(Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:

> I want to add that your position seems to make out
> Christ and the Christian message a bit foolish, i.e. if there are other
> ways to God, then Christ was a bit of an idiot to needlessly die a
> horrible death.  Why didn't he just point us to Tao?  Perhaps you are
> familiar with this argument.  

This is, of course, the subject of much debate.  When the "Dead Sea Scrolls"
are finally published and made available to the public this question may
be answered.  Some speculate that Jesus was a member of a Jewish splinter
group.  Jesus was the victim of the politics of his day.  He pushed the
Jewish leaders a bit too far by his claims of being the Son of God.  They
(and the Romans) rewarded him for his efforts.


> You must admit, however, that the
> exclusivity of the gospel (Jesus the only way) *is* a doctrine that is
> clear and uncontested in the Christian scriptures, yes?  

Isn't this the definition of Christian Religion?  It's no surprise that he's
the "only way" given the religion.

> Also, you seem to
> think that other religions are older.  However, don't forget that
> Christianity is actually the Jewish religion continued 

"Continued" or "perverted"?  It depends upon whom you speak with.  Christians
see it as a continuation.  Jews see Jesus not as a Prophet but as a loss. To
them, he was just one of many, many people who have claimed down through the
years to be the Messiah.  The difference with Jesus, to the Jews, is that
Jesus has a substantial following.  This, however, does not change the fact
that the religion originated about 2,000 years ago.  If it truely were older,
why don't you honor the sabbath on sundown FRIDAY through sundown SATURDAY
the way God intended?  Why don't you refrain from eating the meat non-cloven
hooved animals such as pigs?  Why don't you celebrate Passover?  Jesus did.
He was celebrating it when he was arrested.

So whether Christianity is a continuation of Judaism is a matter of opinion.

- Jesus being the
> Jewish Messiah and all, so please include the Jewish heritage of
> Christianity when estimating the age of the faith.

The Jews do not consider Jesus to be the Messiah; and rightly so, for he
did NOT fulfill the profecy.  He was not the Messiah for which they wait.

Now THIS is a topic I'd like to see JED discuss.  He should know that we
students HUNGER for a DEEPER topic than just whether we are sluts/whores
whoremonger/sinners.  We wanna see that THEORY courses.
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair)
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:41:47 GMT

In article <nate.967@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>
>    I think that you are jumping to the same conclusion that Jed et al 
>have; i.e.- that the Christian set of "divine laws" are the only acceptable 
>means to avoid damnation. I speak from the standpoint of devout Taoist
>
>    Don't hold your breath. There are other religious systems which are 
>older than Christianity and (IMHO as always) which are better guides for 
>the conduct of human society. 
>
I must agree that Jed does not necessarily convey the spirit of
Christianity.  However, I would like to suggest that you have
misapprehended Christianity (as many Christians have) in thinking it as a
system of guidelines for conduct.  This is merely moralizing.  The crux of
Christianity is that men are separated from knowing God in a personal way
(as opposed to knowing about him vicariously through study) and that
through Christ, they can know Him.  This 'moral' preaching without the
central message of Christianity, sounds nice, but it's like a sandwich
with no middle - no real meat! (apologies to you veggies :-).  

>    Thanks, but I prefer to stick with my stodgy old belief that there 
>is more than one way to skin a cat. Jesus is only one way to become 
>reconciled to God.
>
Nathan, I see you everywhere!  Do you post to rec.music.christian at all,
or is it just here?  I want to add that your position seems to make out
Christ and the Christian message a bit foolish, i.e. if there are other
ways to God, then Christ was a bit of an idiot to needlessly die a
horrible death.  Why didn't he just point us to Tao?  Perhaps you are
familiar with this argument.  You must admit, however, that the
exclusivity of the gospel (Jesus the only way) *is* a doctrine that is
clear and uncontested in the Christian scriptures, yes?  Also, you seem to
think that other religions are older.  However, don't forget that
Christianity is actually the Jewish religion continued - Jesus being the
Jewish Messiah and all, so please include the Jewish heritage of
Christianity when estimating the age of the faith.

Respectfully,

danielg

-- 
"It is hoped that at some time or the other we many be at leisure to
restrain the liscentiousness of the theatre, and make it contribute to the
advancement of morality, and to the reformation of society."
	- Joseph Addison in _The Spectator_ Aug. 1712
From: finn@convex.com (Tom Finn)
Subject: Re: Dead Sea Scrolls. Essenes.
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:39:41 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec29.041409.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>Some would say that Jesus was a member of a Jewish Splinter Group. Teh Essenes
>(sp). IT is possible..

I would say you're in the wrong newsgroup.  Followups directed to
talk.religion.misc.

Tom
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: KAPLAN@YaleADS.CIS.Yale.Edu
Subject: Lighten Up!
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:58:30 EST

This was such such an amusing group before all you ravers took over.
Put a cork in it!
 
                 ...Reid Kaplan
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Summary:  get this out of here!
Keywords:  inappropriate
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:22:49 GMT

please get this discussion back to the talk.religion heirarchy, where it
belongs and stop sending to a.b-j.

this material is not appropriate here.

if you don't understand the meaning of that word, look it up in a
dictionary. it is not necessary to engage in theological discussions to
understand it.


-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:29:00 GMT

wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>   You are right about intolerance.  You are wrong about hate.  You don't
>    understand or you are are merely throwing out a term to help you justify
>    your own rebellion to God.  God loves you - yet he has a set of laws that
>    he will enforce.  Would you expect the police not to enforce their laws
>    that have been written?  Examine the Bible and repent (which means to
>    turn from your ways and surrender to God's ways).  Hold your anger back
>    long enough to think about it.  And I won't say, "I told you so" when
>    you do.  I will rejoice, not for my sake, but for yours.
>    Read Romans 3:23-25, John 3:16.  Jesus is the one who can reconcile you
>    to God, if you turn to him.

Bill, read the Tao Teh Ching and free yourself from this evil obsession. You
should be able to find a version available for anonymous ftp at 
kandinsky.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au in /pub. A snippet:

38. Religion
------------

 The kind act without self-interest;
 The just act to serve self-interest;
 The religious act to reproduce self-interest.

 For when Tao is lost, there is love;
 When love is lost, there is kindness;
 When kindness is lost, there is justice;
 And when justice is lost, there is religion.

 Well established hierarchies are not easily uprooted;
 Closely held beliefs are not easily released;
 So religions enthrall generation after generation.
 
 Religion is the dissolution of love and trust,
 The beginning of confusion;
 Faith is a colourful hope or fear,
 The origin of folly.

 The sage goes by knowledge, not by hope;
 He dwells in the fruit, not the flower;
 He accepts the former, and rejects the latter.


-- 
Internet: pete@extro.su.oz.au             UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!munnari!extro!pete
                       I am a big pond in a small fish.
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:40:28 GMT

lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>>lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>|>wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:

>I'll see if I can find the reference to it meaning prostitution. It was
>in a book of line by line biblical commentary. 

    Hey, seriously now, folks. I was all for this discussion while people 
were at least making a token attempt to relate things back to the context 
of Brother Jed, but there've been about a half dozen posts now that are 
completely off the subject so maybe it's time to move the discussion to 
soc.religion.christian.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Re: JEWS -- JESUS -- AND JED!
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:07:04 GMT
Reply-To: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

In article <1085@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, aabst5@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.174147.21047@samba.oit.unc.edu>, danielg@med.unc.edu
>(Daniel G. Sinclair) writes>
>This is, of course, the subject of much debate.  When the "Dead Sea Scrolls"
>are finally published and made available to the public this question may

>
>> Also, you seem to
>> think that other religions are older.  However, don't forget that
>> Christianity is actually the Jewish religion continued 

I BEG your pardon!  The Jewish religion is NOT, repeat NOT the oldest by any
stretch of the imagination!!!!!!  The mere thought is insulting to all the
North american Shamans who still practice their belief systems, the celts who
had a very viable religion for thousands of years before Juaism got a good head
start!  It is insulting to the Chinese religions and to Shinto, to the
Eygyptian religions, the Viking and finnish systems, the Russian creeds and
faith--need I go on?  

>"Continued" or "perverted"?  It depends upon whom you speak with.  Christians
>see it as a continuation.  Jews see Jesus not as a Prophet but as a loss. To
>them, he was just one of many, many people who have claimed down through the
>years to be the Messiah.  The difference with Jesus, to the Jews, is that
>Jesus has a substantial following.  This, however, does not change the fact
>that the religion originated about 2,000 years ago.  If it truely were older,
>why don't you honor the sabbath on sundown FRIDAY through sundown SATURDAY
>the way God intended?  Why don't you refrain from eating the meat non-cloven
>hooved animals such as pigs?  Why don't you celebrate Passover?  Jesus did.
>He was celebrating it when he was arrested.

 "perverted" is a VERY good word for what happened, I believe.  Thank you.
>
>So whether Christianity is a continuation of Judaism is a matter of opinion.
>
>- Jesus being the
>> Jewish Messiah and all, so please include the Jewish heritage of
>> Christianity when estimating the age of the faith.
>
>The Jews do not consider Jesus to be the Messiah; and rightly so, for he
>did NOT fulfill the profecy.  He was not the Messiah for which they wait.
>
>Now THIS is a topic I'd like to see JED discuss.  He should know that we
>students HUNGER for a DEEPER topic than just whether we are sluts/whores
>whoremonger/sinners.  We wanna see that THEORY courses.


Lastly --

   This is a newsgroup for discussing Brother Jed !

   Take your religion to soc.religion.christian and stay there!
   

  Flames to /dev/null
                               Sorry, but my Karma ran over your Dogma.
                               La Mort.
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.men,soc.women,alt.sex,soc.couples,soc.singles
From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page)
Subject: How Strong Should a Man Be?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:27:12 GMT


Strong enough to keep two hearts from breaking.

(Any more along this line?)

-- 
Andrew E. Page   (Warrior Poet) |   Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow
Mac Consultant                  |     The difference between what we are
Macintosh and DSP Technology    |           and what we want to be.
From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: I think it's over..
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:32:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world


5/6/92

What are the last words
My love will hear?
What is the last kiss
Our lips will share?
What is the last dream
Our hearts will dream
As we lay in blackest silence
Our flesh entreated to bear the sorrow
Of our final parting 
On the morrow?


- Gleeep
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG)
Subject: Re: I think it's over..
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:50:00 GMT

In article <!+t2q7=@rpi.edu>, petitc@vccnw04.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes...
><ICSJM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
> 
>>it appears she has more respect for her parents then she does for you.  I know
>>it's hard to get through this....I know, I'm doing it now, when things get real
>>bad, I think about all the fantasic things we did together, when we were
>>together.....helps for a while, kinda takes the edge off...I still really
>>hurt, but am still trying to remain friends....false hopes (maybe)
> 
> Not so much false hopes as wishful thinking.  IMHO, if someone breaks up
>with you, for ANY reason, you MUST get distance ASAFP (e.g. not speak to
>them at all), for quite some time, to let the wounds heal.  Otherwise, you'll
>never get over her.
> 
>-- 
[.sig deleted]

You're right.  I've never posted to this group, but have been reading 
it intensely for about two months now.  Seems as if my wife (married 
15 months ago) doesn't want to be with me anymore.  I found out she 
has feelings for someone else.  Anyway, I have tried to win her back, 
without much help, except now she sees in me what she wanted to see in 
me about 6 months ago......
She never took the time to look.
About six months ago I lost many feelings for her, mainly because she 
took me for granted.  A couple of days ago I looked around and 
realized that she was still doing it.  I wanted to be friends with 
her, but realized that how can you be friends with someone that takes 
you for granted all the time?  You can't.

Break off all contact.  You may realize many things that you feel that 
you can't see at the moment.  Besides, if she loves you and wants to 
be with you, she'll come back.  If not, oh well, you'll probably find
someone else.

Greg
From: highway@wam.umd.edu (Sub-Zero/Raiden)
Subject: Re: Chivalry and Honor...
Organization: Olympus Police ESWAT || Central Management Bureau (AEGIS)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 09:29:57 GMT

If you take out the plague, the thievery, the bad things in life
during middle ages, you get what the Society of Creative Anachroism
does today.  Re-enacting the medieval periods to the fullests.

Personally, I prefer the Maryland Medieval Mercenary Militia, a
Markland Chapter.
-- 
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Post Office Box 7944                    Bitnet:    tcwu@umdd.bitnet
Gaithersburg, MD 20898-7944           Internet: highway@wam.umd.edu
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