HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Yet another motss flame war
Date: 3 Nov 92 19:09:12 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Previously, Jack B. Newsbaum (ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu) 
wrote [in article <19921028232740ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu>]:
> > 
> >        ====Jack====
> >

whereas more recently he wrote:
> 
>          =Jack=
>

Are we to take this as indicating some
erosion in your commitment to equality?

--jns
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 13 Nov 1992 09:38:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <Bxnrno.GBo@queernet.org> 
rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

> The primary role of a drama school is to teach acting, not prepare 
> professional actors.

Wrong.

> The primary role of a chemistry program is to teach chemistry, not prepare
> professional chemists.

And I have all along been pointing out that college arts
programs -- particularly performing arts programs -- are
NOTHING like academic programs.

Arne
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From: spencer@stroke.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:19:38 GMT
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants

In article <13074@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.234140.14497@colorado.edu>, devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (Sonja Orlavski) writes:
>> Rod Williams (rjwill6@PacBell.COM) wrote:
>> : 
>> : Seems to me that all LGB employers in Colorado should
>> : dismiss their heterosexual employees forthwith.
>> 
>> Great idea...one problem.  Amendment #2 specifically singles out homosexuals
>> and bisexuals.  Heterosexuals can still claim discrimination on the basis
>> of sexual orientation.
>
>So?  Is there a law against discrimination against heterosexuals?
>No.

So?  Would that keep heterosexuals from suing if they thought they were
being discriminated against?  No.

-----
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
Two For America -- Bill 'n' Opus '92 -- This time, why not the worst?


Hm... time to take this .sig out of my random pool... or change it to
'96 :-)
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ""The Hidden Sailor""
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (God)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <BxGxwB.JIG@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>aberson@enh.nist.gov wrote:
>> 
>> In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>> > 
>> >In article <38291@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura
>> >Creighton) writes:
>> > 
>> >>(Sim Anderson -- are you there!  Inquring minds *REALLY WANT
>> >>TO KNOW!*)
>> > 
>> >Especially those of us you've married to him.  It's certainly
>> >not that I wouldn't, you understand, though his boyfriend
>> >might object, and possibly Mr. Aberson himself might.
>> 
>> He couldn't possibly object, Mr. Andraberson.  The more the merrier,
>> you know.
>
>How 'bout "The more, the married-er?"
>-----
>Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.

Now, I know you boys are having fun, but you've deleted the
chunk of my message that really mattered to me, that is,
is it a LESBIAN bar she is opening?  and if so where?

Yours for the third time looking for the same information,
Laura
From: jct@mips.com (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Dannemeyer... he's back...
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:36:47 GMT
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ecstasy.mti.sgi.com

According to a story in today's San Francisco Chronicle, our dearly
beloved Former Rep. William Dannemeyer now has his eyes on the U.S.
Senate seat recently occupied by Dianne Feinstein.

Saying that he wants to make sure that Feinstein only gets two years
in the Senate, Dannemeyer announced his intentions yesterday to seek
the seat in the 1994 elections.

Dannemeyer failed in an attempt to win the Republican primary for
the U.S. Senate earlier this year.


-- 
Chris Thomas                                                (415) 390-4118
S4/7 b g+ l y+ z+ n+ o+ x-/+ a++ u v-/+ j++                jct@mti.sgi.com
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash...
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:19:27 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <1992Nov7.004904.29643@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I'm too lazy to transfer
>a button around from shirt to shirt.

try wearing a button on your backpack, or whatever you use to lug your
books around.  I have freedom rings on mine, and many of my friends wear
pink triangles on theirs.  You don't have to switch it around, and you are
still identified as a queer.

(my name is Season. I'm new here.  My friend Trey Harris [he says everyone
knows him :-)] has gotten me involved with you guys.  Hi!)

--------             ____  
Season Taylor        \  / "thought i knew my mind/like the back of my hand/
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   the gold in the rainbow/nothing panned out as i
(yes, as in the 4)         planned"   --indigo girls
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:53:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University

In article <1992Nov7.040108.14412@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu
(Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes: 

   I think that it's something genetic.  There is the homosexual  
   gene and the Republican gene.  Surely one overpowers the other!

   Seriously, what were the experiences that led you to being a  
   Republican?

1976-1980.  The Carter years.  A feeling, justified or not, that
clueless bozos in Washington were going to allow inflation to destroy
the middle class.  It was a depressing time, and Carter's apparently
helpless thrashing around was at least as disturbing as Bush's more
recent complete inaction on the domestic front.

I should add that I doubt my experience is in any way unique.  Anyone
running againt Carter in 1980 would have won.  It is no accident that
in 1984, 1988 and 1992 the Republicans basically ran a campaign
against the Carter years.  That's what put them in power, after all.

If Bush weren't such a total failure, it would have worked again for
the Republicans in 1992.

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Don't Stop!  (played by Clinton/Gore after victory speech)
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 11:16:05 GMT


In a previous article, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) says:

>Michael Masterson writes:
>>Don't Stop, by Fleetwood Mac
>
>[An eminently appropriate song for the occasion, methinks.]
>
>CNBC has a talk show hosted by Phil Donahue and another
>gentleman whose name escapes me [actually, I suppose it is
>more accurately described as a CALL IN show].
>

That gentleman's name is Vladimere Posner, a Russian Journalist. (Yes, he
SOUNDS American, but he is Russian!! (imagine that!!)

>The subject of the show last night was the "age gap,"
>demonstrated by the fact that most younger voters tended to vote
>for Clinton.
>
>Phil Donahue speculated that George Bush didn't even know what
>Fleetwood Mac *was*.  "A new GM truck?"   ;-{)##]
>

Reminds me of the PhotoOp he had in the supermarket and how amazed he was
at the UPC scanner...They've been out for what, 15 years?

No, President Bush isn't out of touch....

:-)


 
-- 
*...your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist  //   No God, Know Peace   /\     * 
*                    Kelley L. Miller  //  Know God, No Peace    /P \    *    
*                  ae642@yfn.ysu.edu  //                        /____\   *
*****************  James Trafficant for US Senate, 1998  *****************
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott Worse than Pointless
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:03:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <Bx9M1J.Eqo@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike
Reaser) wrote:

> <<Raising one hand in confusion while scratching beard with the other>>
> 
> Teacher, can someone explain to me the logic paths used to deduce
> the statement above?  From my reading, it's anything _BUT_ "an amendment
> saying it is now illegal to toss someone from their job for being gay."

Very good, little boy.  You have flagged a rather blarring typo.
The teacher would give you an apple, if only he could.  Allow me to
make the correction:

>Indeed, here we have an amendment saying it is now *legal* to toss
>someone from their job for being gay.  And how does the American
>gay community react?  By seeking to destroy the Colorado economy,
>thereby putting them out of work anyway.

>Brilliant.  Really fucking brilliant.

>God save Colorado (and the rest of us, for that matter) from a tide
>of Totalitarian Tinkerbells.

*X*
From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Keywords: fuck you arse hole
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:35:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Cursor Software Ltd.

In article <BOB.92Nov10143132@dolores.Stanford.EDU> bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Some Geek) writes:
>
> The fact that a great many people *are* willing to put up with (or
> turn a blind eye toward) a lesser evil, as shown by the respective
> elections, does not mean there is no such thing as a "lesser evil".
> It simply means that there are a lot of stupid, shallow and/or
> malicious voters who will buy into such rationalizations.
>
Yeah, right.  If you don't fuckin like it, go and live somewhere
else, arsewipe - like smeggin Iraq!

I don't beleive it.  Every four/five years all the geeks come out to play,
get on their high horses and run about thinking they're the second comming
of Christ and that they can fix all the world's problems by posting to
alt.flame.

Why don't you save up a couple of million Dollars and use it to con the
voters to make YOU president - Americans allways have geeks as presidents
anyway.  That way you get to be a dictator for a few years and change
anything you want without anyone having the power to chalenge you.

Now just shut the fuck up for another five years, I'm sick of this bullshit
already.  In the mean time, you can go off and look in the Exchange and Mart
for a second-hand life!  Don't bother asking K e n, somone bought his life
when he was two and he doesn't know it's missing yet.


Seeya!  |/    \    /        I don't just talk for my self like all the
        |\evin \/\/ALSH     geeks here, I speak for anyone I fuckin well
                            choose.  Definately including my company,
     kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk     my country, your country and your mother.
                            This is MY standard disclaimer so sue me
                            mother fucker.
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Coming out to parents.
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:11:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Mara Chibnik (mara@panix.com) writes:

>If you don't have anywhere else to start, and there is no P-FLAG
>group near your parents, try connecting with someone locally (local
>to you or to them) whom you expect to be sympathetic and ask advice.
>I'm talking about a doctor or a minister or a school counselor--
>someone who might have heard of a local support group.  This is
>especially true if you don't live where your parents do.

Of course, it depends on what your parents do for a living.  In my case,
my Dad is a minister.  When people come to him with problems, he counsels
them.  But he felt that he had no one to go to with this problem, when I
came out, to get the same sort of counseling.  "Physician, heal thyself"
doesn't always work.

------------------------------
                             |     I found Tycho down at the Chessboard,
Jim Drew                     | crying in his beer over his latest love lost.  I
jrd@frame.com                | tried to console him.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Come on, Tycho.  Mr. Right will come along
"Innocent, but not naive."   | some day.  Until then, look at what you already
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | have.  You've got good friends, a great home,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | you're fashionably dressed."
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "I'd rather be fashionably chased," he said.
                             | "Right now, I'm just fashionably chaste."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Righter's Bloc"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:07:43 PST

In article <1992Oct29.202518.1072@macc.wisc.edu>, on 29 Oct 92 20:25:18 GMT,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>
>
>In article <19921028232740ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
>ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>
>>Instead of sitting around moping how awful it is that the
>>government doesn't do this and that to stop the homophobes,
>>some of us actually know how to get results by educating
>>people to treat us fairly.
>
>Hey, Uncle Tom, er, Jack!
>
To me an Uncle Tom is somebody who grovels about begging for mercy from somebody whom he considers to be his social superiors. Now it is true that part of the activism which I participate in GLAAD in                 volves pointing out to various people
in film, TV, radio, and the press examples in which they have portrayed gays and lesbians inaccurately and stereotypically. We also write letters of commendation when we receive accurate and sympathetic treatment.

One thing that you should consider is that the various producers,
directors, and writers in the media can damn well portray us however
they please. Anyone who wishes to achieve results rather than simply
whine about how bad things are eventually recognizes this and develops
strategies that are effective rather than counterproductive. I'm
particularly pleasedthat there exist organizations such as GLAAD which
act in a manner compatible with my libertarian principles of freedom and
nonaggression.  Sadly, there are too few such activist organizations to
be found in gaydom.

I really believe that your perspective on the world would change
significantly if you actually ever *did* something (besides spewing out
volumes of soc.motss cybertrash).  Since I publish approximately five
articles a month about GLAAD activities all of which contain action
items, I heartily recommend that you read them, choose at least one,
and follow through on the suggested course of action to be taken.

It will do wonders for your tortured soul.

>--
>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
>Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
>NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
>Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
>
        =Jack=
---

Jack B. Newsbaum             You have rights antecedent to all earthly
Library Information Systems  governments; rights that cannot be
University Research Library  repealed or restrained by human law.
ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu               - John Adams
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Are there any gay Republicans?
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:03:19 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon):
:> Melon, you've got to be kidding.  I'm not sure whom I pity more: you for   
:> your twisted little mind, or us for having something in common with you.
:
:Being twisted of mind, I am not certain about this, but I do believe
:'whom' is the wrong word, 

It's not.  The relative pronoun is functioning as the object of
the subsequent clause.

:  I'm not sure for *whom* I have more pity.

Yes.

:  I'm not sure *who* I pity more.

Nope.

:But then again, I shall be the first to admit I may be wrong.  

You weren't.

:And as to *whom* deserves the greater pity, well - I'm not selfish.

No, that's wrong.  The pronoun is functioning as the subject
in the next clause, so leave it as "who".

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist


As Zeus said to Narcissus, "Watch yourself."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mbeyer@ubvax.ub.com (Mark Beyer)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:59:43 GMT

>In article <BxA8Mp.3qB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (
Rockville) writes:

>  Do keep in mind that a Republican administration won the
>Civil war.

The civil war had less to do with freeing the slaves than may people think.  
It had more to do with the power of the Federal government over the states. 
Lincoln pushed through the constitutional ammendment to free the slaves 
well after the war started, mostly as a tactical move.  

If I remember my history correctly, the platform he was elected on said 
nothing about freeing the slaves, but said plenty about keeping the Union 
together.  I'm not sure he would have freed them if the war had been going 
better.

--
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:15:30 GMT

In article <BOB.92Nov5190157@dolores.Stanford.EDU>, bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper) writes:
> I've noticed that when the subject of a boycott comes up, some
> conservatives, free-marketeers and/or libertarians are often vocally
> against the boycott.  This seems bizarre to me, for how can someone
> who believes (as I do) that there shouldn't be financial entitlements,
> believe that Colorado is somehow "entitled" to its "fair share" of our
> disposable income (and that of our supporters, as well).  I think even
> a supporter of the usual entitlements would find this "obligation" to
> be ludicrous.

  Well, chalk up this free marketeer and/or libertarian as thinking
that a boycott is a good idea. I see nothing wrong with them, and as
a matter of fact, think they are a good tool to make people responsible
for their actions. 
  Do innocents get hurt? Too bad. I expect that if they are truly
innocent they will probably understand why it is important to 
beat up on their bone headed neighbors.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: ***Accessories!!!***
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:47:02 GMT


In article <thaaang.721396482@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes:

>What's your favorite kind? Handbags? Belts? Shoes? Watches? Jewelry?
>Any favorite pieces?

I like to see the jewelry on the bureau, the clothes in a
heap at the foot of the bed, and to be accessorized by big
strong men who may or may not being thinking about Proust or
Bach or group theory but won't want to discuss it until
later.

As for me personally, my favorite accessory is solitude in a
hundred square miles of forest and mountain.

>John, trying to make Arne's soc.motss.real.world a better place
>(and who's been drooling over shoes'n'jewelry lately)

Imelda of Madison counted up the other day and did manage to
find 31 pairs of shoes.  Seems a bit excessive, especially
since I wear the same old beat-up Reeboks about 90% or 95%
of the days.  Soon it will be time for the cold-weather
clodhoppers.

>(motss-relevance: puh-LEASE!!!)

Fuckin'-A, girlfriend!

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage,soc.bi
From: tyger@netcom.com (Kristen Kohlbecker)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Organization:  The VAX ate my Brain
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:36:42 GMT

johnd@lloyd.Camex.COM (John Duesenberry) writes:
> "Admittedly, Pat, Pat, and Jesse are embarrassments
>to the party and with the power of the vote, hopefully will fade
>away like a bad memory."Admittedly, Pat, Pat, and Jesse are embarrassments
>to the party and with the power of the vote, hopefully will fade
>away like a bad memory."
>
>SURE. Pat "Himmler" Buchanon was allowed to spew his
>poison in front of the convention, the media, and the
>world with the full knowledge and collaboration of
>your scumbag candidate George Bush along with the
>rest of the party leadership, because they thought 
>a little race-baiting would pick up some support
>from the white-trash/trailer park sector of the
>electorate.
>
>Unfortunately it didn't work and your party and
>candidate took the drubbing they so richly deserved.
>I hugely enjoyed watching Bush eat shit last night
>and I advise you to do the same.


Well, seeing as you are so knowledgeable (I use that term lightly), perhaps 
you can explain how a 35 million vote to a 31 million vote ratio is a 
DRUBBING, nor yet the ROUT and LANDSLIDE proclaimed by all but one of the 
local papers? Calling it such by virtue of all-or-nothing electoral votes is
so silly, IMHO.

BTW...It's a good thing that Clinton is a far more gracious winner than 
yourself...it would take him far more than four years to live down "I beat
yer sorry ass, you stupid fucking REPUBLICAN!" He was possibly thinking 
something along those lines, but he was intelligent enough not to say it.

There's a lesson in there, somewhere...

Tyger
-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
                            But you can make decisions too
      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break 
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