HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:48:54 GMT

In article <18466.2a9df70b@levels.unisa.edu.au> etad@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.234246.7745@dgbt.doc.ca>, ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes: 

>> Prejudice against the Jews in Europe is well documented and nowhere
>                                                              ~~~~~~~~~~
>> was this worse than in Poland.  The nazis capitalized on the situation
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> but I think responsibility for the death camps has to shared by the
>> whole of Europe and especially by those areas where prejudice was most
>> widespread.>

>Are you off your mind or what? Are you trying to say that Polish antisemites
>made Nazis exterminate Jews? I agree that the history of that time is
>reasonably well documented. Why don't you read something, then, before writing
>crap on the net?

Why not read a little yourself?  Poland's many anti-Semites certainly didn't
oppose the German murder of their fellow citizens, and indeed quite a few
actually assisted in the effort.  Resistance to the Holocaust existed in
many countries; there was very little of that sort of thing in Poland.

Roger
>Regards
>--Arek Dadej
From: dmiller@alsvid.une.edu.au (David Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: WW II History Question
Summary: Afrika-Corps casualties
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:14:12 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

Can anyone tell me what the German Afrika-Corps casualties were
in the Northern Africa campaign?

Thanks for help.

Best regards
-- 
David M Miller                   "Just because they're yelling at you
PO Box 695                       doesn't mean you are wrong".
Hornsby NSW 2077, Australia      --  Ritchie Garcia, baseball umpire
Internet: dmiller@elli.une.edu.au / C$: 100032,341 / GE: D.MILLER3@GENIE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Violence update: 4 Sept 1992
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:08:52 GMT

It was a rather quiet night, it seems. Must be because there was a prime-time
TV show on "From Potzdam to the Spreewald" showing overweight Germans enjoying
cake and coffee on a boat while listening to German Schlagersaenger lip-syncing
good old German Heimatmusik.
("Kein schoener Land in dieser Zeit, als der die unsre weit und breit,
wo wir uns finden, wohl unter Linden, zur Abendzeit...")

Updates:

- The detonation of the Jewish momument in Berlin appears to have been
done with military dynamite. The police only have 5 leads and have made
no arrests. There has been no group that has claimed responsibility.

- One of the youths that burned down the home for asylum seekers in Brandenburg
near Potsdam has confessed. Seems the villagers and the asylum seekers were
on very good terms (people brought by toys for the kids and clothes, etc.). The
youths were from a neighboring village and do not seem to belong to a right-
wing organization. They set the fire "just for fun", and since there had been
no threats to this home there was little police protection needed. A pregnant
woman suffered a nervous breakdown when she returned and saw that the few things
she had brought with her had been burned. 

- A fire-bombing was reported in Hohenschonhausen, an eastern district of Berlin,
last night. 2 youths (20 and 21 years old) broke a window in a home for Vietnamese
guest workers and threw burning rags in. Witnesses doused the flames, called police
and described the youths. They were arrested as they stood on the sidelines
watching what was happening. [Three cheers for the witnesses that DID something!]

- The usual polls "if-Sunday-was-election-day-who-would-you-vote-for" brought
surprising results: 14% of the WESTERNERS would vote for DFU or the Republicans
(the extreme right wing), "only" 9% of the Easterners would. 
-- 
Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
D-W-1000 Berlin 31                       (PRINTN (WITTY-MESSAGE TODAY))
From: pavlik@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Question : Austria, EEC
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:40:56 GMT
Organization: Vienna University Computer Center

In article <7322@chaos.DAC.Northeastern.edu>, george@hilbert.coe.northeastern.edu (George Kechriotis) writes:
> Hi, 
> does anyboby know what's the status of the Austrian application 
> to become a member of the EEC? 

   Austria has applied.

> I have heard that Austria is know  something like a partial member of EEC. 

  We have some some free trade agreements with EEC. That means that no
  customs has to be paid for importing products of EEC-origin, but VAT on
  import.

> Can people with Austrian  passports travel through EEC countries without 
> having to go through  customs? 

  Generally spoken, no.
  There are however so-called "Euro-Lanes" on boarder stations between Austria
  and Germany and Austria and Italy (I think also between Austria and 
  Switzerland, which is not a member of the EEC). At the Austrian-German boarder
  cars registered in one of this countries may use the Euro-Lane under the 
  condition that all passanger are either Austrian or German citizens, have
  valid travel documents (passport or identity card) with them and do not
  carry duitable goods with them. Usually there are no customs inspections.
  i.e. the Euro-Lanes are similar to the "Nothing-to-declare exits" on European
  Airports.

> Can they work in other EEC countries? 

 Yes, but a working permit is needed.

 Some things will change probably next year, when the European Ecomomic Area
 comes into effect. Members of that area are the EEC-countries and the
 members of the European Free Trade Association, amongst them Austria.
 

    Andreas Pavlik
    University of Vienna
From: henning@messy.toppoint.de (Henning Plagemann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:40:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: messy.nWOzr*q90
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <1992Aug25.085318.21270@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>, Joern Baier writes:

> jedoch billigend in Kauf genommen wurden, da sie ganz gut in den Kram
> passten. Hierauf deutet die Aussage von Innenminister Seiters hin, der
> zwar vom beschaedigten Ansehen Deutschlands im Ausland sprach, gleichzeitig
> allerdings mit Nachdruck eine sofortige Aenderung des Asylrechts forderte.

Viele haben diese sinnlose Gewalt verurteilt und gleichzeitig  Aenderungen des 
Asylrechts gefordert. Ich frage Euch, was daran nicht in Ordnung sein soll.
Es ist doch eine Tatsache, dasz wir nicht unbegrenzt Menschen in diesem Land
unterbringen koennen. Es entstehen zu viele Belastungen, die zu Neid und
auch echtem Frust fuehren. Das Ergebnis sehen wir jetzt. Wenn die Menschen 
in Deutschland nicht mehr willig (faehig) sind, andere Menschen aufzunehmen,
dann ist das fuer mich schon ein Grund fuer eine Aenderung des Asylrechts.
Eine Aenderung ist keine Abschaffung. SO kann es nicht weitergehen.
Ansonsten kann man schon Hochrechnungen fuer die naechste Wahl starten...

> Zusammenfassung: Deutschland 1992: Ekelhaft und zum Kotzen
Es ist unfaszbar, was da in Rostock vor sich geht. 
Aber weswegen findest Du Deutschland zum Kotzen ?
 
> Betroffen,
> 		Joern

Ebenso. 
Henning


--
Henning Plagemann    |  Verdammt. Du bist ein Mann. Luege wie ein Hund !
2300 Klausdorf/Schw. |                                              Al 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: fg@spcklr.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Frank Grieger)
Subject: Re: Help Regarding "Bundeszen
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:53:36 GMT

In <2392.178.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu> carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:

>DK>Subject: Help Regarding "Bundeszentrale fuer politische Bildung"

>If you ask,
>they will send happily lots of information for free. It's great for
>teachers, btw.
>Somebody of Bonn would surely be so kind to provide you with the exact
>adress.

Bundeszentrale fuer politische Bildung
Berliner Freiheit 7
D-5300 Bonn 1

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
fg@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de               Frank Grieger, Bonn, Germany
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,talk.bizarre
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.021557.3082@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes:
>muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes:
>: In article <BtJIM9.EnK@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>: >In article <24AUG199216380614@maximillion.mcc.com> ilotemp@maximillion.mcc.com (ILO Temp) writes:
>: >>Just a little reality check here Roger...apparantly you haven't 
>: >>had a great deal of experience with European women lately, or 
>: >>women at all for that matter.  I just returned from a two year 
>: >>stay in Germany with frequent visits to adjacent countries, and I 
>: >>am happy to announce that european women are shaving both PITS 
>: >>and LEGS.  There are exceptions, but then go to a Greatful Dead 
>: >>show and you'll find that in your own little pristine US of A 
>: >>women are not always using the blade.
>: >
>: >Could someone explain to me please why anyone would want to shave their
>: >legs and armpits?  It seems like a lot of work for a rather unpleasant
>: >and stubbly final result.
>: >--scott
>: 
>: Thanks Scott, you've got it!           
>: 
>: Beatrice
>
>What an unpleasant accusation. How do you know he has got it?

I've got it, and there's enough to go around for everyone.
--scott
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:6280 soc.roots:5925
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.roots
Subject: Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
Summary: job requirements
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:04:29 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

Researchers at the U of Bamberg and Duisburg scourged the want ads in papers
appearing in France, Britain,Italy, Poland, Spain and Hungary and found that
20.1% of all the ads required a foreign language other than the native.

Of those 54.9% where English. German followed with 20.1% and things went
downhill quickly after that: French 9.3%, Spanish 2.5, Italian 1.9 and Russian
.67%.

8.6% asked for just any foreign language without being specific.
                       *********************
While we're on statistics - the 1990 census revealed roughly 25% of all
Amricans claim a German heritage with 15.6% Irish, 13.1% English, 5.9% Italian
and 3.8% Polish.

Strangely enough the percentage of German derived ancestors keeps going up
with each of the last few censuses. It rose by 9.7% in Pennsylvania alone.
Among those who claim a single foreign ancestry 28.4% claimed German, 9.9
Irish, 9.8 Italian, 5.4 Polish etc

Data is from the 1990 Census as reported by the PA State Data Center at
Penn State, Harrisburg, PA.

Somehow it shows that it is good to be German again. The effects of WWII must
finally be wearing off.
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: beim Namen nennen:: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:40:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: orfeo

In article <1992Aug26.093113.5683@chamber.in-berlin.de> root@chamber.in-berlin.de (Patrick Wendt) writes:
...
>Wo sollen wir hinkommen, wenn wir immer nur aufnehmen und aufnehmen,
>und das, weil wir uns so "schuldig" fuehlen ... wir werden auch bald
>ganze Stadtteile haben, die wie "Chinatown" in den USA aussehen werden,
>nur, dass es nicht Chinesen sind, sondern halt andere Nationalitaeten.
>
>Dies hier soll um Gottes Willen nicht als "Auslaenderfeidlich" betrachtet
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>werden, ich habe prinzipiell nicht dagegen, solange sich alles im
 ^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^ *********** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ******* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Rahmen des Ertraeglich haellt;  .....
 ^^^^^^^^^^^***********^^^^^^^^

 nein,  um Gottes Willen nicht, sondern um Menschens Willen, Mensch!
From: tcg@mayo.edu (Thomas Gerber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Common Nicknames for Girls
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:02:45 GMT
Reply-To: tcg@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic/Foundation Rochester MN Campus

Nope. If you ever come to a German-speaking country, you better don't use
that expression. "Muschi" is a name commonly given to cats, but can also refer
to what is called "pussy" in the U.S (if you know what I mean).

Not a nice "nickname".

                                             -tcg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Help Regarding "Bundeszen
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

DK>Subject: Help Regarding "Bundeszentrale fuer politische Bildung"

DK>1) What does the above mean (I guess its something like "Center for
DK>   Political Education"!?).

Yes.

DK>2) What exactly is this institute? Is it considered a reliable
DK>   informative source on German politics and history?

Yes. I recommend it strongly. And, the best part is:
Usually, they charge no fee for their numerous brochures. If you ask,
they will send happily lots of information for free. It's great for
teachers, btw.
Somebody of Bonn would surely be so kind to provide you with the exact
adress.

DK>Thanks very much,

You're welcome.

DK>-Danny Keren.

Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * . It's easy as 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Analphabenquote und Vergleiche von Schulsystemen (was: Re: Ein deutscher Carusso????)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:31:37 GMT
	<1992Aug26.160648.45186@news.th-darmstadt.de>
	<1992Aug27.182123.25302@u.washington.edu>
	<1992Aug28.151033.21310@news.th-darmstadt.de>
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <1992Aug28.151033.21310@news.th-darmstadt.de> schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod) writes:
>   ...Und um weiteren empirischen Aussagen (== individuellen Erfahrungen)
>   vorzubeugen: ...

Well, I wont be dissuaded from posting one more empirical experience.
I did my undergraduate at the lesser-known, but still first-rate Rice
University, double majoring in physics and linguistics.  After
obtaining my B.A., I took a year off by studying linguistics at
Universitaet Wien for a year.  I have to tell you, what the average
linguistics student studied in six years in Vienna, we learned in
three years at Rice.  I was not impressed by the students at Vienna.
They took forever to cover their assigned curriculum, putting courses
off for years, presumably to reduce the workload or to extend their
student years.  This was not directly the fault of the university, and
it doesn't necessarily mean that the Austrian students were any less
intelligent.  It seemed a cultural thing.

--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Help Regarding "Bundeszentrale fuer politische Bildung"
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:03:57 GMT

1) What does the above mean (I guess its something like "Center for
   Political Education"!?).

2) What exactly is this institute? Is it considered a reliable
   informative source on German politics and history?

Thanks very much,

-Danny Keren.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: hinkel@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: ANALPHABETENQUOTE
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:40:14 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Nach seiner Ausbildung in der Sprachwissenschaft und, ferner, nach einem ganzen
Jahr an der Universitaet Wien, haette man vom Sprachwissenschaftler Jim Eggert
mehr als seine obige Anklage erwarten koennen. Warum beschwert er sich -- und
zwar mit fadenscheinigem Englisch im deutschen Netz --ueber Sprachwissenschaft
im deutschsprachigen Raum?

"It seemed a cultural thing", schreibt der Sprachwissenschaftler.  --***"a
cultural thing"***???  Der Wissenschaftler klingt wie George Bush, der Fuehrer
der USA, der uns ein ***"vision thing"*** auftischt.

In welcher Sprache ist der geehrte Sprachwissenschaftler eigentlich gewandt?
Was versteht der gute Herr Eggert unter Sprachwissenschaft?

Robert Hinkel
Department of English
Western Michigan University
From: pfluegl@tss.com (Manfred J. Pfluegl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: TV shows broadcasted in CA in German
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:06:11 GMT
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA


I happened to switch to our local PBS channel (KCSM-TV-60 in
San Mateo/San Francisco) at 11pm yesterday. To my surprise a
broadcast was aired in German with English subtitles. It was originally
produced in Germany and than distributed/modified by the Oregon Pub. Broadcast.
Does anyone know whether this is a fixed program, i.e. every Wed at 11pm
there is an hour of German TV on? Do you know any other German broadcasts
that I can get in the SF Bay Area? How about radio stations?

Anyway, yesterday's film was about German's culture and history. Some
economical facts were touched as well. I thought it was pretty good.

Manfred

PS: Respond to manfred@tss.com or post. Thank you!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:6013 talk.bizarre:27500
From: rone@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:00:54 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <BtLsz5.MBE@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.021557.3082@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes:
>>muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes:
>>: Thanks Scott, you've got it!           
>>What an unpleasant accusation. How do you know he has got it?
>I've got it, and there's enough to go around for everyone.

AUGH!! I read your post and now I'VE got it!  Get AWAY from me!

5150
i want a quarantine on dorsey. now.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Subject: Re: Rostock-Krawalle
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:27:55 GMT

> Ich erinnere mich, dass zB der `Toronto Star' (eine serioese 
>Tageszeitung) eine halbe Seite damit zubrachte, die Ereignisse 
>mit denen der fruehen 30er Jahre zu vergleichen.

genau das denke ich auch (aber nicht erst seit heute). terror
von rechts und (pseudo-)links, arbeitslosigkeit, unfaehige 
politiker/polizei - das ist original das was ich aus dem
geschichtsunterricht ueber die weimarer republik in erinnerung 
habe. bleibt zu hoffen, dass sich der verfassungsschutz mal
seiner eigentlichen aufgabe zuwendet, statt steuergelder
mit punk-fanzines-lesen und greenpeace-verklagen zu verschwenden.
der staat sollte dafuer sorgen, dass die leute eine richtige
(harte) arbeit bekommen; das nimmt aengste und macht (zu) muede
(zum rum-hoolen).
From: wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Dr. = Dr. ?
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:59:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1473000036@igc.apc.org>, An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org> writes...
> 
>Via the German embassy in Seoul I (a German) filed in an application to the
>"Standesamt Berlin" to register my marriage to my Taiwanese wife. As "Dr."
>in Germany is  p a r t  o f  y o u  n a m e,  and my wife had an Ph.D of
>the University of Florida, the "authorities" in Germany took some time to
>get the Ph.D. checked. We got the marriage certificate after 9 months.
> 
>good luck and best regards, Goetz Kluge
> 

The 'Dr.' is only part of the name if you so desire.  I know many people,
including M.D.'s that didn't care to register their doctorate with the
local officials (Einwohnermeldeamt).  Also, it is not necessary to register
your marriage (or the birth of children abroad) in Germany (I got married in
the Caribbean).  Foreign marriage certificates hold up perfectly well.  It may
be easier (probably is) to be able to produce 'home grown' documents, but it is
by no menas required.

Cheers

Chris W
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Transit visa for Germany
Date: 26 Aug 1992 17:03:56 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <oli.714050479@ernie> oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:

>No, the real reason is the possibility that the passengers may ask for
>political asylum. Doing so is not possible in a transit hall (it has sort
>of exterritorial status), but for transit passengers outside this area.
>So, passengers who want to leave the transit area, or for whom a tran-
>sit area is not available need a visa.

I keep hearing that those travelling via Frankfurt need to get a visa. A
travel agent says no. Can somebody tell me the whole truth as to who needs
these visas, is it gratis, and how long does it take to get it? My wife
is going to India, and if this kind of thing is there, I will advice her to
avoid Germany like the plague.
-- 
Vidhyanth Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: KGODDEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Das Klarrer
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:29:23 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Kennt jemand das Wort "Klarrer", das ein Klavier bedeutet?
It's not in any dictionary I have access to, and I'm wondering if it
is some regional dialect word.  ??
-Kurt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mkraess@hubcap.clemson.edu (manfred kraess)
Subject: Re: Nachrichten in den USA 
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.222344.10475@noao.edu> muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.082023.8786@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> lieser@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Ed Lieser) writes:
>>
>>Der Spiegel  Air-speeded (SAL)  -  $250
>>Die Zeit   Surface or Air only  -  $260 or $540
>>
>>ABER...
>>
>>Die Zeit, US edition            - $48/yr!!
>>
>>Sehr preiswert, glaube ich.
>>
>Wie kann ich die Zeit US edition abonnieren?
>Pointers please!
>
>Danke, 
>Beatrice

Die Adresse lautet fuer USA:
   DIE ZEIT
   Overseas Editions
   German Language Publications Inc.
   P.O. Box 9868
   Englewood, NJ 07631-1123
   Phone (212) 736-7455
Fuer Canada:
   29 Coldwater Road
   Toronto, Ont. M3B 1Y8
   Phone (416) 391-4196

Der Preis betraegt fuer USA $ 48.00 pro Jahr, $ 26.00 halbjaehrlich,
fuer Canada CA-$ 69.00 bzw 26.00.
Fuer Studenten gibt es noch einen Rabatt, ich bezahle beispielsweise
US-$ 34.00 fuer 9 Monate statt regulaer US-$ 42.00.

Bestellungen sind uebrigens auch per Fax moeglich: (416) 391-4194.

Ich hoffe, dass diese Informationen weiterhelfen.

Manfred Kraess
++1-(803) 654-1806
mkraess@eng.clemson.edu