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From: pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Travelling in LD's
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:45:38 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

Sorry this is a bit late/out of date ?!

But I also would'nt mind any comments of how to 'break out' of the scenario you
start with.

Also, when I worry that I will be 'booted out' as I usually am (Wake up because
I think It's too good to last !), I loose it .

Don't worry ?! ok, I'll try that !

But any other ideas.

I think it's been about a year since I last did it.

Then again I've never really tried very hard (even a few days in a row!).

Whenever it's happened it was tottaly by accident !
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From: alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler)
Subject: Lucid Dream
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:54:36 GMT

A couple months back there were some posts in here about mirrors in
dreams of how they have weird stuff in them and the myth that if you
walk into one you will never wake up.  That made me realize that I
can't remember any dreams with mirrors in them and also I am curious
to try and walk into a mirror in a lucid dream.
Well, finally I had a lucid dream and I remembered the idea of walking
into a mirror.  Looking around I couldn't see any mirrors but there was
a t.v. in the room with some cartoon playing on it.  Since there were
no mirrors I decided to try and walk into the t.v. set.  At first I
hesitated because I was worried of the radiation or the electricity from
the t.v. zapping me but then forced myself to step into the tube.  There
was a blast of a tingling sensation as my legs entered the picture tube.
Kinda like the pins and needles sensation of when your arm falls asleep but
not so unpleasant.  Well, I wasn't transported to any weird television 
realities.  I was just sitting inside the t.v. set, inside the tube, looking
out while an energy stream for the picture was blasting me from behind.
 

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--------- Dave ---------------- alpinist@eskimo.com ---------------
=   The Red Queen shook her head, `You may call it "nonsense" if  =
= you like,' she said, ` but I'VE heard nonsense, compared with   =
= which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!'-Lewis Carroll =
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: The Boat Experiment
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:42:07 GMT

This is a reminder for anyone who missed it:  The Boat Experiment
has been EXTENDED to Wednesday, Jan. 20.  Here is the experiment
again, to refresh everyone's memories, etc...

******************************************************************************


Attempt to have a lucid dream any time (as often as possible)
between the dates of Friday, Dec. 4 and **Wednesday, Jan. 20**.  When
you find yourself lucid dreaming, use any means possible to find
the scenario described below.  Attempt to interact with others there,
and look for "personal objects" that others may have left.  Try to
leave a personal object of your own for others to find.  

You are free to report to the Net that you made it to the Meeting
Place in your dreams, but please do not post any details about the
dream until the experiment is over.  Send email to our Third Person
(who prefers to be called a "judge" -- I don't know why, ask him) :)
containing all the details you can remember from the dream, especially
any personal objects you found/left.  He will save & post the messages
after the experiment, and if he sees possible correlations, he may 
write back, asking specific questions about what you saw/left/did...
(For example, if you left your wallet, he might ask for a description
of the wallet & it's contents.  Another person who said they found
a wallet would also be asked to give a description of the wallet & its
contents...)

Our Third Person/Judge/(whatever you want to call him) is
Allen Chen
aec1@cornell.edu

You do _not_ have to let anyone know that you intend to participate.
Just try to get there (in your dreams) and email your results to Allen.

The description of the dreamscape is as follows:
*************************************************************************

Vehicle:  A large white cruiser ship with the words "S.S. Dreamers"
in large black letters on both sides, and the back.  Since it is a boat,
it can "sail" through any body of water (or anywhere else, depending on
how bizarre some of your dreams can get!) :)  The interior of the ship
has three decks, one for living quarters, one with a kitchen & a large hall 
for meals (and laden with lots of delicious food, as all cruise ships always
are!) :),  plus other rooms, including a game room, etc., and an
upper deck with "outdoor" games (shuffleboard, etc.), including a
swimming pool and other recreational activities.  All dreamers are welcome
to enjoy all of the ship's facilities, and they are invited to interact with
anyone else on the ship, and they may also look at and/or leave
objects by the swimming pool or in the dining room...


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From: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: TetrisDreams/Lucidity Institute
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:04:56 GMT
Reply-To: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


     In regards to these much talked about "Tetris Dreams", although I had 
never had one before, I had a similar experience last night.  While vegging
in front of the tv I was doing caricature drawings of various tv characters
until I had a page in my sketch book filled with them.  After sleeping only
3hours, I awakened from a snippet of a dream in which I was repeatedly draw-
ing various parts of faces and face shapes.  Usually, I do not awaken at this
time with any dream memories.  Perhaps this phenomenon is an early stage in
this rest/reorganization of neural pathways in which these repetitious 
behaviours get catagorized.  I remember awakening, remembering and being very
angry that I was wasting my dream time with such nonsensical things!  

     Also, could someone tell me about the Lucidity Institute?  What is it 
all about and what does becoming a "member" entail?

		Pleasant dreams, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!!  SANDRA
From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Inclusions
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:29:13 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

 KM> I am interested in hearing what people have included in dreams.  I
 KM> imagine
 KM> that these would all have to be audio, or perhaps olfactory.

On the occasions where I lucid dream, I have the most incredible use of my
senses.  All of them are there...almost on overload (but pleasurably so).

As for strange inclusions.  Well one that I can still remember happened a
few years ago now.  It was one of my first lucid dreams and i remember
looking up to the night sky and seeing the most amazing star patterns. 
There were so many of them that they literally lit up the sky.


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From: jasonk@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kraushar)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dream Factory
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 01:18:12 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

  In alot of the dreams I've had, I've often woke up afterwards with the 
feeling that the dream just HAD to have been prearranged before I went to 
sleep, or that things in it had been set up DELIBERATELY to trick me/tell 
me something about something I did, etc. What I mean is that, there seems 
to be somewhere in the mind that these dreams get cooked up when not in 
the dream state. I suppose I'm not describing it very well, but like I 
said I have had several dreams that seemed 'fixed' or 'rigged' 
beforehand. Perhaps there is a Dream Factory of sorts that ticks away 
while you're awake making plans for the evenings dreams "Heh. we're gonna 
fool him GOOD tonight <evil grin>"..
  Any thoughts on this?

Jason Kraushar              jasonk@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Tibetan Method
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:17:35 GMT

I tried that Tibetan Method that someone posted here last night.  I am
suprised at how well it worked.  When I began to sense my own body
again I just opened my eyes (that was the hard part) and looked at something
around me.  Then when I closed my eyes again, I could see an imprint of
that object.  Just like the post said, It changed form and moved futher 
away.  Then I was back in my dream, fully lucid.  I can't remember now
how the transition occurred.  It seems like I was just there.  

My thanks to the poster!!!
Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
From: pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: How do you tell the difference between ....
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:38:03 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

How would you tell the difference between entities you create in a dream, and 
independant entities that enter your dream.

Similarly, how do you tell the difference between a place you have created,
or a place that exists independantly, which you are visiting ?

I would really appriciate any comments on this !

Oh and by the way.. Happy Christmas !

See you all at the Big tree on the Astral Plane !

Pierre
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: hypnagogia / out-of-body (was Re: WILD)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:16:49 GMT

Just few words on hypnagogia and out-of-body experiences...

In <1992Dec21.144115.20725@seq.uncwil.edu> brownt@seq.uncwil.edu
	(brown todd francis) writes:

> ...While many induction methods work well under the
> right conditions, it now seems to me that hypnagogia is the best way
> to reliably re-enter the lucid dream

Anyone interested in this subject might want to take a look at the book
_Hypnagogia: The Unique State of Consciousness Bewteen Wakefulness and
Sleep_ by Andreas Mavromatis, who, at the time of writing, was working
on a PhD at Brunel University in England.  The book, which is quite well
researched, it appears, was published by Routledge and Kegan Paul, Ltd.
(1987).  ISBN 0-415-05794-9.  It discusses both hypnagogic (pre-sleep)
and hypnopompic (post-sleep) imagery, and their possible relationship
with other state of consciousness and creativity, as well as their
possible function.  The book contains numerous illustrations and is
quite worthwhile, in my estimation.

I myself had quite vivid and regular hypnagogic images as a child just
prior to the onset of sleep, but have only rarely experienced them in
recent years.  (If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful; maybe
I should go back and read the book more carefully for ideas.  :-)

> >this is also useful for OOBEs. we usually visualize a window
>                                 ^^
> What do you mean we?  Have you been successful with oobe induction?

I'd like to mention that there is now a newsgroup called "alt.out-of-body,"
which deals exclusively with out of body experiences.  Anyone interested
in that subject might want to check it out.  If your news system doesn't
pick up that newsgroup, please drop me a note asking to be added to the
parallel mailing list (I've also set up a special address for mailing list
folks to post to the newsgroup).  If you do write, please mention the out-
of-body mailing list, since I also operate lists on other subjects.  Thanks.

Gary
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Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Colour in dreams can be even frustrating
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:30:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.145341.29787@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi (A. Bulsari) writes:
>...
>Equally or more frustrating is to take those stupid pictures with 400 ASA
>or whatever have I, and then find that it was just a dream.
>
>A. Bulsari

Maybe there's a clue here as to why the Tibetan Buddhists have such a highly
developed dream yoga AND a highly developed near-death-experience repertoire:
you can't take it with you in either case.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM (Albert Handa)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Some dreams
Date: 3 Jan 1993 23:20:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: night.corp.sun.com

Hello,

I have some dreams that I'd like to get some feedback on in terms of interpretation.

1.  I was standing outside my work, talking with an co-worker and Jack Nicholson.
     This robber (cops and robber type) comes up the sidewalk, and then Jack pulls out
     a gun and fires six bullets at the guy.  I run into work, and try to get someone in
     my work area to call 911, and everyone acts like they're too busy.   I have to yell
     at one to make him make the call, and then I run outside with a first aid kit to
     treat the shot robber.  I woke up at this point.

2.  I dreamed that I was sentenced to prison for life.  I am booked and assigned to a
     cell.  I tell myself that I am dreaming, then realize that I'm not and start screaming. 
     I do this for what seems like a long time, then give up, and then get incredibly 
    quiet and depressed.  It seems very hot and humid in the cell, and it seems very
     realistic.  So much so, that when I wake up, I'm genuinely shocked (and relieved). 

Al
From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream re-entry (was Re:WILD)
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:54:37 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Wed 23 Dec 92  8:52, Brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown Todd F
wrote:

 BTF> hard to explain to someone how INCREDIBLE conscious re-entry into a
 BTF> lucid dream is.  I feel like I have reached some new level or
 BTF> something.

It is isn't it!  People just look at you and either think your totally
gone, on drugs, or just someone not to be trusted around small children and
animals :)

Most people that I've tried to explain it to just say "Oh that...yes I do
that all the time!"  I don't know if they actually do, or they are missing
the point.  Personally I think it's the latter.

cheers,
              ...pEtE...{#->


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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Colour in dreams can be even frustrating
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:20:24 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau31.ira.uka.de

In article <1992Dec30.145341.29787@abo.fi> abulsari@aton.abo.fi (A. Bulsari) writes:
>
>Equally or more frustrating is to take those stupid pictures with 400 ASA
>or whatever have I, and then find that it was just a dream.

And to take some notes on paper, perhaps about a great scientific
discovery or engineering invention you just made, and losing the paper
while waking up...  (Fortunately, when you remember your dreams well,
you'll most likely recognize the great inventions as crap...)  

Perhaps hard for a photography freak, but have you ever tried to
*paint* your dream images?

Happy New Year,
Olaf
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From: Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucid Dream
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:45:13 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Mon 28 Dec 92 23:29, Alpinist@eskimo.com (david Butler)
wrote:

 AB> A couple months back there were some posts in here about mirrors in
 AB> dreams of how they have weird stuff in them and the myth that if you
 AB> walk into one you will never wake up.  That made me realize that I

I hadn't heard this before.  Thinking about it, I've don't recall seeing
mirrors in my dreams either.

 AB> a t.v. in the room with some cartoon playing on it.  Since there were
 AB> no mirrors I decided to try and walk into the t.v. set.  At first I

One of the first lucid dreams I remember having concerned a TV set.  My
family was standing around the TV with a few of my relatives.  There was a
man dressed in some sort of harlequin outfit telling them to go through the
tv.  A couple of them did, and I knew that they shouldn't.  I took this
long run up to the tv and dived straight in.  Inside there was the vortex
of colours and things...and then I was *literally* shot out!  I vividly
remember flying out of the TV and hitting the wall.  It hurt!

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From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: re: traveling in lucid dreaming
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 19:20:55 CST
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

(Sorry -- I would have replied, but all that quote and delete is getting 
on my nerves!)

I had a lucid dream recently in which upon realizing that I was dreaming 
I had a specific place in mind that I wanted to travel to. But I had 
trouble getting there. 
   First I tried closing my eyes, imagining the place, then when I opened 
my eyes I'd be there! That was the theory, anyway. What happened was, I 
kept worrying about bumping into walls, and I knew my locale hadn't 
changed because the ground under my feet felt the same. (Maybe I should 
have tried that flying!)
   Eventually I resurfaced somewhere else - in a short corridor. On the 
floor was a picture of the place I was trying to get to. So I just dove 
into it - and that finally worked.

  Any other methods?

                                        --The Vortex
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: re: B&W Animation/Dreams
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:43:30 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

Sent in mail, the originator wants this out to the lot of you...
 

From melissa@radio.wkar.msu.edu Sun Dec 27 14:39:00 1992
Subject: Re: B&W and Cartoon Animation Dreams
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:39:08 GMT

In article <ed.724935759@cwis> you write:
>From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ether Scrapelust)
>Subject: Re: B&W and Cartoon Animation Dreams
>Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:02:39 GMT
>cthomas@npal.rn.com writes:
>>I am just interested to know if anyone has ever had dreams in wich there
>>vision was altered to something like Black and White or all cartoon animation.
>
>Last night, in fact.  It wasn't really my vision, though.  I was
>watching a black and white animated film on television.  The tv screen,
>though, did encompass my entire "viewpoint" during those segments of the
>dream.  The entire dream took up four pages in my journal, which is a
>standard sized college ruled notebook. 
>
>I vaguely remember having other dreams, very rarely, that consisted of
>"cartoonlike" vision.
> 
>...e
> 
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HELLO, THIS IS A REPLY, EXCEPT I'M NOT SURE I'M ON THE NETWORK AND HAVE NO 
IDEA IF ANYONE WILL SEE THIS OR NOT--HOPE I'M NOT TYPING OVER ANYONE. 
anyway, in regards to black and white dreaming, my best friend dreams in 
occasional sepia tones like old movies, and when i was little i dreamed in 
cartoon animation (of a giant bullfrog who squished my head like squashing a 
cockroach--except it looked funny the way cartoons do).  also, i dreamed in 
video tape once--no kidding--it's the earliest dream i can remember, and 
involved a handmirror with thousands of revolving eyes on it--but i dreamed 
it was on public television, and was video taped rather than on film.  no, i'
m not crazy, i actually hold down a real job and haven't been committed 
yet...really!  and i have had funkier dreams than anyone i know all my 
life.  this has been fun, if in fact i did it right--i'm computer impaired.

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: DreamLight
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:32:08 GMT

In article <60X4VB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> jasonk@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kraushar) writes:
>  Hi there, I've only just recently started reading this group, and I am 
>interested in hearing more about this "DreamLight" as in, where can one 
>be purchased and how much?

I want more information on this too. Such as, does it work and who out
there in dreamland has one? Has it helped at all in entering the lucid
dream state? Are there any credible studies that have documented the
use of this device? Furthermore, does using this device with any
regularity cause any abnormal sleep patterns to develop?
Regards, Mike

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From: abulsari@aton.abo.fi (A. Bulsari)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Convincing characters you're dreaming.
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:33:37 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi

In article <katherim.725484140@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:

Two dreams deleted.

>In the first truly lucid dream I ever had, I was on a bus.  I was so 
>excited about being lucid, I turned to the people next to me and told
>them "I'm having a lucid dream, isn't this great?"  They just gave me
>a stupid smile.  I woke up shortly after.

I wonder if you read some of my earlier postings.

I have tried more than once to ask people in dreams if they understand
that I am dreaming and if they are dreaming too. Normally they just
ignore me, but once someone nodded as if to say yes. They also seem
to understand any language I speak in, giving me a feeling that the
communication, if any, takes place non-verbally. Now I am going to 
try and ask people where they are (name of the place, if any). Once
I got a reply, which was unintelligible. Asking their names and if
they know me is another thing I have been trying. Once someone told
me his name. I don't remember anyone knowing me. Soon I will ask them
for their telephone numbers besides their names if they admit they are
dreaming. 

>
>Katherine Merle Mason
>Ne Oublie...

A. Bulsari