From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Inflation (of fears, not prices)
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:48:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov7.164828.21084
Distribution: pnw
Organization: UW Computing

In article <1792@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
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>Ah yes, anything you disagree with is 'shrill'.  The same people are
>for the most part influencing the 'New Order'.  And I damn near starved
>to death during the Carter 'Utopia'.

And millions did starve to death during the 'boom' decade of the eighties.

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>Perhaps you can tell me what is so different (aside from the packaging
>of a blow-dried front man instead of one with lots of teeth).

Difficult to retort to such a welt thought-out, intellectual argument :)

>The brain trust is pretty much the same, those holding the major power
>in the congresss are pretty much the same, the party philosophy is
>pretty much the same.  These areguments are just as reasoned as the

Please explain what 'brain trust' you are referring to.
Yes, Clinton does believe in an activist govt (as did FDR, Kennedy, Johnson)
but he does not believe that all problems can be best sovled by govt.


>claims of how wonderful the New Order, replete with policies of banning
>Cosmetically Incorrect firearms, eventually all firearms (except in
>the hands of those they control, of course).  The policies of frightening
>terrorist states with nasty speeches at the UN are pretty much the same

Starting to get a bit shrill here.

>("I disagreed with the Gulf War policy, but voted with the majority").
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>I notice that Iraq is having a holiday, while Kuwait is practically
>having a wake.  One can be pretty sure the response when Saddam marches
>on Kuwait again will be several years of ineffective 'sanctions', lots
>of speeches saying how evil he is, and empty resolutions at the UN.

Gee, here's an idea. Why not say we don't arm dictators and despots.
Why is a place that most people would not be able to locate on a map so
damn important?  If we had a credible energy policy, one which encourage
minimizing consumption and not maximizing profits, then we wouldn't be so
damn paranoid if one dictator invaded another dictator.

I don't really care.  I'm more concerned about the war in the formet
Yugoslavia and the starvation in Somalia, but because those countries don't
have oil, so they have less importance?


>If you disagree with this, please explain to me why this will be any
>different (with a gutted military, all going to social programs, and

The 'gutted' military of Clinton would not REALLY be that much smaller
than the reductions proposed by Bush.  Check your facts!

>increased taxes going to the same place).  Fixing the deficit will
>be painful, thus make the person doing it very unpopular, and Clinton

Deficit is not the main problem.  Fixing a sluggish economy which Bush
refused to admit was in a recession is (IMHO) the main concern.

>wants to be re-electable.  That virtually guarantees no real action
>until his second term.  Again perhaps you can tell me what reason I
>have to believe otherwise (aside from Clinton's grandiose claims).
>
>I am waiting....

You'll only need to wait until the spring.

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>>Jimmy Carter was ineffectual, but basically a benign and decent man.  Slick
>>Willie has demonstrated that he will say or do anything to get (and 
>>presumably hold) power.  Maybe those of you that hated Bush so much weren't
>>paying attention to what he said he wants to do.  Well, I for one am hoping
>>for the best but I also suspect those who voted for change are going to
>>get more than they bargained for.  Good luck to us all.  I think we are
>>really going to need it.
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>I am afraid we are in for more of the same.  Trying to eke out a living
>under Carter was pure hell.  Prices were going up so fast catalogs
>stopped listing prices - they were invalid before they got out of the
>printing shop.  A person with a decent job was an endangered species.

[Warning:  shrill level increasing]

Trying to eke out a living during Reagan's first term was pure hell.
Ask the millions of additional homeless what a wonderful time the eighties
were.
Ask the thousands (possible millions) who lost most or all of their
savings in the S&L crisis what fun the eighties were.
Ask the millions who lost their jobs as their companies closed down and
move out of the country.

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