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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: UA Round the World Dropped
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:56:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.190408.25292@colorado.edu> citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin) writes:
>
>I asked a United flight attendant about this yesterday as I was flying
>back from Hong Kong to SFO.  She said that the reason was the HKG-Delhi
>segment.  The route will fly over the Himalayas, and United planned to use
>767s on this route.  The pilots apparently refuse to fly a twin-engine plane
>over the Himalayas since if an engine fails, they won't be able to maintain
>the altitude necessary to cross the range.

Hmmmm. Interesting. The two times that I flew on Pan Am's
round-the-world flight from Delhi to Hong Kong, the flight path did
not cross the Himalayas anywhere. It basically flew over Calcutta then
across Bangladesh, a bit of India again and then over China (mostly)
to Hong Kong. I thought that they did that because the Himalayas were
considered to be militarily sensitive area by both China and India.
Maybe the security sensitivities of China and India have changed, but
still that excuse sounds like an awfully lame one to me. They could
just as soon follow the old flight path of Pan Am 1/2.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com


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From: ianm@ee.ubc.ca (ian marsland)
Subject: Re: Setting expectations (again)
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:31:05 GMT

In article <C0qw8J.Muo@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>
>   I hardly got any response to my earlier question on this 
>   so I'm trying again in a shorter form.
>
>   On our recent trip to Huahine, Bora Bora, and Moorea
>   ("Tahiti") we had a good time except that the hotels
>   we stayed in (Sofitels) were truly awful by the standards
>   of fine international hotels, especially at their prices:
>   $200 - $300+ a night.    Yet all our guide books raved
>   about them and in many tour companies' price guides they
>   were always in the best (and most expensive) categories
>   in the islands.
>
>   My question is:  Could we have gotten our expectations set better?  
>
>   What's the right philosophy to have once you're in that
>   situation?   How do you keep from becoming an Ugly American,
>   ranting and raving at the hotel management?  How do you
>   keep from muttering and cursing as you smear DEET (mosquito
>   repellant) over every inch of your body and trying to sleep
>   on top of sweat-soaked, sandy, same-sheets-as-yesterday 
>   and thinking "I'm paying $250 a night for this?!"
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>   Some guests, especially the Europeans, who were just as 
>   scratching and bitten-up and bleary-eyed the next morning 
>   as we were, nonetheless seemed to have a better attitude.  
>   How do they do this?  
>
>
>---peter
>

I think one way you could better prepare yourself for situations such
as this is to consider what you're saying:  "I'm paying $250 a
night for this?!"  You seem to be under the mistaken belief that money
can buy happiness, and that more money can buy more happiness.  By
paying a lot of money for your accommodation, you raised your expectations
of what the room should be like.  As a result, there was never any
chance of the room being nicer than expected, but always the chance of
it being worse.  Disappointment is almost inevitable.  On the other
hand, had you booked a $2.50 room, it would have probably been much
better than expected (and probably not worse than what you got for
$250!), and you would not felt cheated.  By not building up your
expectations you will avoid disappointment, and always leave room
for a pleasant surprise.

One way to maintain a better attitude is to remember that you've
already paid the money, and nothing you can do is going to make
the situation improve.  Some people just put the problem behind them
and make the most of the trip, while others find that ranting and
raving make them feel better.  Whatever works.

Ian
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From: "reg lafontaine" <reg.lafontaine@canrem.com>
Subject: continental's surviva
Reply-To: "reg lafontaine" <reg.lafontaine@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:08:44 EST

JR>    Subject: Continental's survival

JR>I know they have filed for bankruptcy, and also that they may
JR>be bought over by some other airline (Air Canada?).

They were partly bought out by Air Canada and some Texas investors.  
IMHO I think it's safe for you to plan on taking an international 
trip on Continental.
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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: Questions on Boarding Passes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:40:53 GMT

In article <KMEYER.93Jan5125908@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>Most airlines note in the fine print of their tickets that anyone who
>hasn't checked in or boarded 10 minutes before scheduled departure time
>may lose their seat assignment.  (In actuality, I've seen both United
>and Northwest start giving away seats ~15 minutes before departure).
>This is exactly the way the seat assignment software is supposed to
>work--at some point, they have to start giving people seats that look
>like they are going to be empty.
>
>If you have an advance boarding pass and don't board until the last 15
>minutes, it is very likely that your seat will have already been
>reassigned because the airline believes you are not planning on flying
>on that flight.

As it turns out each time I have had this problem where I was the
early boarder was because I simply boarded by handing my boarding card
to the person at the gate. What I failed to do was register my
presence with the person at the checkin counter at the gate. For
example, on United I always use my Premier priviledge to board at the
earliest possible moment. However, from experience I have learned that
if I do so without telling the guy/gal at the checkin counter there is
a possibility that they would give my seat away even though they have
my boarding card that was collected at the gate. In addition to
United, American and Delta have also exhibited this behavior on more
than one occasion.

So the bottom line from experience is that merely boarding before the
last 15 minutes is not enough. You have to actually make sure that
they have recorded the fact that you are present and boarding by
having that information entered in the local computer before boarding.
You can do this either at the boarding gate checkin counter or at the
checking counter at the baggage checkin counter.

I suppose they are supposed to cross match boarding cards that have
been collected at the gate with the roster before giving away seats,
but apparently they do not do that too often. I also suppose that the
software probably works right. It is the people at the gate who do not
behave right by not telling the software who has actually boarded in
time. 

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Segment free ticket deals return/cheap Euro fares
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:37:14 GMT

tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) wrote: 
->Based on ads in the paper yesterday and today, the airlines are doing
->a repeat of last quarter's "Fly 8 segments, get a time limited free
->US round trip/16 segments for Hawaii or Europe or two US rd. trips"
->promotion.

all the major us airlines seem to be doing it; british airways is
doing something similar (fly from north america to any country they
serve and they'll give you a free domestic ticket on usair/alaska for
use later in the year).

->And at least in Boston, Virgin Atlantic announced a $93 one-way, $186
->round trip fare to London. Sale started at 0700 EST Monday, and according
->to one source the phone was consistently busy through at least 0730.

call a travel agent instead.

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From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: the latest flying promotion
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:16:54 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I have seen newspaper ads for Delta, USAir, Continental and American
on the current promotion where you fly either 8 segments or 12,000 miles
and you get a free ticket to use later in the year.  Basically the 
terms sound identical between the airlines:  fly between Jan. 4 and
April 2, with a minimum price per segment of $50, and the free ticket 
is good Sept. 15 to Dec. 15 (these dates might not be *exactly* right).

I haven't seen ads for United or Northwest although they are matching
the promotion.  I called United, and the agent said that their free
tickets are good during the _summer_, not the fall.  This doesn't sound
right to me, as I don't think they need to boost travel in the summer.
My travel agent said she doesn't receive any printed material, either,
she just calls the airline to find out the details.

Before I buy my 8 segments, I'd like to know for sure.  I'd like United
for summer travel, but if those summer dates are wrong, I'd prefer
Continental for fall travel.

Has anyone seen the ad for United?
From: rcsmith@sed.csc.com (Ray Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Class-action suit against several airlines?
Summary: Where can I get some info
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:26:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

Back during the summer I seem to remember that I got a notice in the
mail about a suit being brought against several airlines for price-fixing.
Well, I thought my wife sent it back and she thought I sent it back but
really what happened is we lost the card.  Would someone please send me the
information needed to get in touch with the folks that are working this suit?

Thanks in advance,
Ray

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From: erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg)
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:42:38 GMT

In article <50994@shamash.cdc.com> gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:
[snip]
>I've never ridden any 747 as first class in the nose, but have read in
>a book about Boeing history that seat 3A is the quietest on the plane.

Seats 1AB are pretty quiet too.  If you look sideways through the
window, you can see almost straight ahead.

Erik
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From: theodore@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrew M Smith)
Subject: >>Travel Info Needed for Jordan<<
Originator: theodore@post.cc.ncsu.edu
Organization: NCSU 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:49:31 GMT

I need information on the cheapest possible way of travelling to the
Hashemite kingdom of Jordan.  Any ideas?

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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Flight times and the Jet Stream / nonsmoking question
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<ELI.93Jan11105336@glare.cisco.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:49:13 GMT

SE> == Steve Elias <eli@cisco.com>

 SE> also, i have always heard that the rule for nosmoking was "no smoking
 SE> on domestic flights under 6 hours".  i asked the flight attendants
 SE> about this 6 hour restriction and if it was real.  they replied that
 SE> there is no 6 hour cutoff, that all domestic flights must be
 SE> nonsmoking, regardless of duration.  can anyone confirm this?  this
 SE> was on Northwest and since they were nosmoking before the law, i
 SE> wonder if maybe i got wrong info from them.

First there was no restriction.

Then there was a restriction on flights under 2 hours (scheduled time, not
actual time).

I *believe* the current law is 6 hours scheduled, but there aren't that
many flights in the lower 48 over that limit, and I always fly long
segments on NW anyway :)
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From: S107142@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re:    Trip to New Orleans
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:35:44 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 16:53:17 CET
From: <JKAS@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject:    Trip to New Orleans

Hi everybody!

Next week I'll be in New Orleans for a long weekend.
Can anybody please advise do's and don'ts? I'm especially
interested in very nice off-tourist places (bars/clubs/
restaurants etc.)

Thanks for your help and sorry if this is an FAQ.

Jacqueline

The bar in the top of world trade center is really a best place to stay after
dinner.  It will rotate a round in 1 and half hr.  Sip a cup of cocktail and
enjoy the panorama of queen city for less than 5 bucks.  Some restaurnats showe
d in the tour guide is pretty good, but the price is pretty expensive.
Prepare more money or credit card for a fabulous vacation.  Be careful the
safety even in the French Quarter. Never go along in the dark valley.  I have
been N.O. twice by driving from Missouri.  It is still very worthwhile.  The Bi
gnet cafe in the French Quarter is a never-missing place to go.  The service ma
y be unsatisfactory because the huge customers.  Try the new division inside th
e "River Walk Mall", which is a nice place including Disney, Wannar Brother....
kind of special stores.  You can spend all the weekend not leaving French Quart
er like us. Otherwise you can drive yourself or get a tour bus to the nearby
swamp region to see the strange plants and animals (half to full day).  Don't
miss the unobvious stores in the French Quarter, they are true treasures.
Before entering a restaurant, read the menu and the price carefully.  One dozen
of raw oyster can cost you from $4.95 to $$? in different restaurants.
--- Have a nice vacation.



I suggest you can get up the saloon in the top of World trade center.
Enjoy a cup of famous cocktail and pararama view of beautiful night New Orleans
I have been to N.O. twice by driving 10 hrs from Missouri.  It is still very
worthwhile.  Some restaurants are famous but pretty expensive.  It is better to
bring more money or credit card.
From: mikeb@spl1.spl.loral.com (Michael H Bender)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Question: Hotels in Israel
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:08:50 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

My family and I (myself, my wife, and two children) are 
planning on visiting Israel at the end of June. Can anyone
recommend hotels we could stay at? Our preference is for
hotels which serve breakfast (most do, I believe) and which 
are not too expensive. 

We need recommendations for:

 o Ramat Gan (or Tel Aviv, if none in Ramat Gan)
 o Jerusalem (the Western part)
 o Kiryat Ata (or, if none there, one of the other Kiryot,
       or, if none there, in Haifa.)

Thanks in advance, 
Mike Bender  (mikeb@spl1.spl.loral.com)
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From: artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art)
Subject: Advice needed -> South Africa
Organization: MMC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:12:01 GMT

Hello:

	I am going to South Africa End of this Month,
	is there anyone out there who has been there
	and could give me some advice??? on places to go,
	places to avoid, weather???


	thanks
	Art
From: msoques@mozart.amd.com (Martin Soques)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: chicago, illinois
Keywords: architecture, Frank Lloyd Wright
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:58:47 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan07.172940.16610@watson.ibm.com> yonas@ynsa.kgn.ibm.com () writes:
>Architect??.....Check out Chicago Skyline from John G. Shedd Aquarium. Nice 
>                view. Walk through downtown Chicago and all the landmarks, 
>                building and Architectural designs are there to discover. 

A better view of the Chicago skyline would be from the observation windows
of the Sears tower.  Recorded messages by the windows not only explain the
history of the various landmarks in view but also their architecture.

>                One notable person is Frank Lloyd Wright. He has one that I
>                know Southside Chicago near Museum of Science and Industry
>                or in the compound of University of Chicago. 

Mr. Wright practiced in Oak Park, west of Chicago.  You can take a guided
tour of his studio and home and walk the neighborhood and see the houses
he designed.  Downtown Oak Park has some nice outdoor cafes for lunch.
This makes a quiet, pleasant day trip from the hustle and noise of downtown
Chicago yet is only one Loop train ride away from Michigan Ave.

Marty
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From: meyer@geomatic.no (Harald Martens Meyer)
Subject: Re: How To Say "Thank You"
Organization: Geomatic a.s, Norway.
	<WLIM.93Jan10152737@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:43:16 GMT

  Tusen takk    ; Norsk (Norwegian)
  Asante sana   ; Swahili (East Africa)

  2
HM
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From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Mobile Homes - how expensive and useful are they?
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:20:00 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.225222.12854@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, reberhar@inf.ethz.ch (Rolf Georg Eberhardt) writes:
> Hi there
> 
> I want to travel from S.F. to S.D. via Arizona and the national parks
> together with my wife and 2 year old daughter. We've been thinking of 
> renting a mobile home so that the kid is free to play while driving.
> I was thinking of a RV with a cab cutout for 3-4 persons.

Is it legal to leave a child in the back of an RV without being in a child
seat?  I thought they had a law that you had to have them in a car seat 
until 4 or 5 years.  I know they won't let you take home a brand new baby
unless you have a car seat here in CA.

> 
> My questions are:
> 
> (1)
> Is it really an advantage to travel with an RV than with a car always
> considering the 2-year old?
> 
> (2)
> Do I have to stay at a campingground over night? 
> Is it safe to stop along the road over night?
> How expensive are they in CA/AR/UT?
> 
> (3)
> I've been told that the price for a RV + extras and food is about the same
> to a car+motel+food. Is that right? 
> How much does it cost to feed 2.5 persons a day if I cook for myself?
> 
> (4)
> I'm looking for a RV-rental in California. "Go America" is available in
> Switzerland but for a pretty stiff price (in my option 120$ per day and
> unlimited milage is a lot). I'd be glad for any pointer to other rental
> companies which rent out RV's in San Francisco and accept them in San Diego
> or Los Angeles.
> 
> Thank you for your answers
> 
> --rolf
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rolf Eberhardt, Switzerland, reberhar@inf.ethz.ch

Just curious...personally I wouldn't chance the danger to the child, law or
no law.

Karen
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From: jgiovane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jean A Giovanetti)
Subject: New Orleans/Mardi Gras
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:17:43 GMT

Hello!

My husband and I are planning a trip to New Orleans a week before Mardi Gras
for business (and fun when we can). We have rarely traveled anywhere, let
alone New Orleans so I sure could use some advice from anyone who has been
there near Mardi Gras. Any suggestions on sites, restaurants, even how to get 
around  would be greatly appreciated. Fortunately, we have already made hotel 
arrangements.

Please post to gleason@mapvxa.cfm.ohio-state.edu

Many Thanks,
Jean
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From: illya@pyrtor.UUCP (Illya Barnett)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Peurta Vallata(sp?) Mexico
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:19:06 GMT
Reply-To: illya@pyrtor.UUCP (Illya Barnett)
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Canada, Toronto, Ontario

In article <1993Jan6.090401.6438@desire.wright.edu> rocker@desire.wright.edu writes:
[.. deleted for brevity ..]
>
>> 
>> 	So could anyone tell us about Porta V.?  How nice is it? how will it be
>> the 1st week of April?  Any activities?  Is it better/worse/different from
>> Cancun?  Did you notice any handicapped  accomendation?
>> 
>> Thanx for any info.
>> rock hard

I tried to e-mail this, but my mail kept bouncing.  Therefore, I'm posting
my response;


First of all, you spell it Puerto Vallarta.  I just returned from
a 1 week vacation down there.  It was the best vacation I've had yet.
It was my third time to Mexico - and I definitely recommend Puerto
Vallarta.

We actually stayed at the Radisson Nuevo Vallarta, which is a 20
minute drive from the town of Puerto Vallarta.  Our hotel was all-
inclusive, so we did not have to worry about drinking the water (it
was purified), or eating the food.  The hotel had daily activities,
and nightly theme nights; however, we usually went into town at night.

Most of the hotels in Puerto Vallarta are located in the 'hotel zone',
which is off the main road, just before you reach the cobble stone
streets of PV.  The hotels all look great - we did not actually go
inside any of them, but the Krystal, the Ramada and the Fiesta Americana
all looked superior.

Puerto Vallarta has a tour company which runs several tours, ranging
from an all-day boat cruise, to a jungle tour.  We did the boat cruise,
which was fun. As far as handicapped accommodations go, there was a
woman who had broken her leg and was in a wheel-chair at our hotel, and
it looked like she was able to access everything.

If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to try to answer
them.  I loved Puerto Vallarta, and will definitely go back next
year.

If you do have questions, please e-mail me with your correct
e-mail address, so we do not use up space on the net :-)

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