HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: icsds001@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Rogue tourists
Reply-To: icsds001@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 05:15:21 GMT

In article <Sep15.151048.33826@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley) writes:
>From "High Country News," September 7, 1992, Vol 24, No 16.
>Written by Mark Flower, Longmont, Colorado.
>
>National Park Service officials today confirmed reports of the shooting of
>two tourists in Yellowstone Park early this season.  The shootings were
>authorized under a newly implemented policy to protect bears.
>
>
>:-) :-)  parody parody parody parody  :-) :-)  humor humor
>
>
>   John Cooley
>   Graphics:  The ability to make pie charts and bar graphs, which are the
>              universal business method for making abstract concepts, such
>              as "three," comprehensible to morons like your boss.
>                                            -Dave Barry


 AWLRIGHT!!  

Terry Landowski
Dept. of Microbiology
Montana State University
Bozeman  MT
From: jojo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joanne Spetz)
Subject: Fall camping in CA for novices
Summary: looking for someplace to go
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:27:28 GMT

The S.O. and I never did the backpacking thing as kids (except
one Camp Fire Girls cabin-camp in 2nd grade) and
were introduced to the concept in July by friends (we went
to Yosemite).  We had a great time and want to go again
before winter hits.

We know not to buy any equipment until we've obtained a
better sense of our needs and preferences, and Stanford and
REI rent equipment.  We have canteens, iodine, flashlights,
a compass, and a first aid kit.

So, we need ideas for weekend journeys which green campers
can handle.  We'd leave Friday eve from San Jose and would
return Sunday.  We'd prefer to avoid snow but can deal with
minor freezes (college in Boston broke us in for cold).
Places where we're not relegated to car-camping and can
not face tons of people are preferred (e.g., Mt. Tam in Marin
is pretty but awfully crowded).  We don't mind driving 4-5
hours.

Any ideas?  I'll summarize with a post if people are interested.

Thanks in advance,

Jo

-- 
Joanne Spetz				Economics Department
jojo@leland.stanford.edu		Stanford University, sunny CA

Political advice to Mr Bush:  "Dumpe Quayl"
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: roof racks
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:03:28 GMT


Sorry to interrupt the lively bovine discussion, but does anyone have
access to an archival copy of the recent roof rack discussion (the one
comparing/contrasting in 200 words or less the advantages/drawbacks of
Yakima vs. Thule?  I'm looking for a luggage carrier, with additional
future ski or bike capabilities.

Thanks.
Steve
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet.
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:08:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <79810@ut-emx.uucp> shawn@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.220114.7938@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst) writes:
>>In article <14563@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
...
>>>They're also people.
>>>
>>  	So?  A little gene-pool selection never hurt! :-) <--note
>>smiley.
>>
>>Brad Whitehurst
>
> Careful now, gang.  Experienced hunters (especially those who take their 
> hunting responsibilities carefully) rarely shoot cattle.  It's usually an
...
> selection had intended.  Armed confrontation is a very bad idea.  I'm sure 
> you meant the above as a joke.  As a joke it is moderately funny.  :-)
>
> Shawn Boyd
> Austin, Texas

	Yes, it was a (sarcastic) joke.  Also, there's a lot of poor
hunters in a small area close to populations here in the East.  Bad
scene, sometimes!  As Western cities spread further, I'm sure you'll
get more problems too.  BTW, elk stroganoff is mm,mmm, good, so I'm
not a downer on hunting!  Just don't plug the neighbors' dogs, horses,
and kids (no kidding...).

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: kiravuo@hut.fi (Timo Kiravuo)
Subject: Re: methanol
Reply-To: kiravuo@hila.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Computing Center
	<1992Sep1.211947.29093@voder.nsc.com>
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:46:27

In article <1992Sep1.211947.29093@voder.nsc.com> pad@galaxy.nsc.com (Paul Denny x8349) writes:
>> > I have a trangia methanol (methylated spirit) camping stove which

You can use methanol in Trangia, no doubt, but what is usually
used is denatured ethanol. Methanol is a poison that makes you
blind or kills you, ethanol is what you get in diluted form in
wine, beer and other kinds of booze. The ethanol used for stoves
is usually made undrinkable for various legal and taxation
reasons. In some countries that is done by adding methanol
(therefore the term methylated spirit), In Finland they add
various kinds of "goo" that makes it taste awful and can not be
separated easily. 

So the stuff you want is ethanol, CH3CH2OH. 

>All this talk of stoves I am surprised noone has mentioned the Trangia-
>they are silent, work just as fast or faster however windy it gets and
>include a cookset that nests very efficiently around the stove. The only
>minor complaint is that simmering control is virtually non-existant but
>I have always managed to live with this when camping.

My Trangia is now about ten years old and I have always been very
happy with it. Last summer I felt rich and bought a liquid gas
burner for it. Uses standard Primus cartridges, is faster than
the alcohol burner, does not soot, has better flame control etc.
But I am no way getting rid of my old alcohol burner, since even
propane/butane mix reportedly does not work well in winter (I'll
test when it gets cold enough). 

Trangia also has a multifuel burner that should burn about
anything liquid, but its' price tag is something like USD 300,
while the basic stove costs between USD 50 and 100. 

--
Timo Kiravuo, kiravuo@hut.fi
Helsinki University of Technology, Computer Center, Finland
From: griffin@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Hiking through a forest fire (was: Floating...)
Summary: walking on coals
Keywords: hiking, fires
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:28:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep10.223816.16023@ncar.ucar.edu> Ilana Stern
wrote a fascinating account of floating through a forest
fire on the Salmon River. I reminded me of the time a buddy and I ignored
Trail Closed signs in the Selway Bitterroot and hiked through some
traces of a fire.  We had set up a trip months in advance and met about
halfway between our respective homes in Seattle and Colorado. We had planned a
six-day loop hike, but when we got to Montana, the rangers told us
that part of our loop was closed due to a forest fire.  We grit
our teeth and started on the route anyway, since the second day
was on the section that was closed. Like Ilana, we could smell
smoke as we hiked in, though no sign of flames.  That night, as
we camped by a stream, we woke up to the sound of thunder, followed
by a torrential downpour that lasted for several hours. It was the
only time I can remember where I was happy for rain on a backpacking trip.

Because of the rain we decided to ignore the trail closing and stick
to our original route.  I also found that forest fires are not
like scenes from Bambi or Smokey the Bear commercials. There was no
wall of flames but rather occasional hot spots smoking in the distance.
Obviously the rain had put many of the hot spots out, but there
still were others along side the trail that just need a good gust
of wind to get going again. It made me aware of what they call
a forest fire mosaic several years before the term became common
after the 1988 Yellowstone Fire.

One thing about forest fires, it empties the trail. We saw more moose
that trip than we did people.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet.
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:19:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.220111.9530@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>,
 scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:
|>bwood@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Blake Philip Wood) writes:
|>: 
|>: I expressed my surprise to a backcountry ranger that cattle grazing
|>: was allowed in a wilderness area.  She gave me the impression
|>: that this was a somewhat unique situation.  I suspect the grazing rights
|>: were grandfathered in when the Pecos Wilderness Area was established.
|>
|>They were grandfathered into most wilderness areas, actually.
 [ramble ramble]
|>Stop cow grazing in wilderness areas!

Well, ... while the memory and memory of the odor is still fresh,
I think it's worth mentioning that SHEEP should also be included 
in this griping session. Or, as I've heard them appropriately 
called - RANGE MAGGOTTS.

I spent last week in the southern part of the Wind RIver Mountains
in Wyoming, and, I have never seen an area so beautifull and yet
so overrun by sheep.  The sheep were gone (excepting the ones
they missed, which are hopefully going to be bird food this Spring),
but the sheep shit and evidence of heavy grazing was incredibly bad.
We hiked through a couple stretches of valley bottom that not only
were one big pile of sheep shit, but also smelled real bad, despite
the cooler temperatures.  I'm really glad I saw this country, but 
I'm real hesitant to return there any earlier in the season than 
September.


--
Greg Jahn, Boise State Univ.|"In this selfish age, public-spirited
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu / | acts were left to the individual, and
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    / | what could the individual do on his
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  / | own?"        - Adolfo Bioy Casares


Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Tents (zipper failure)
Reply-To: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:27:11 GMT

In article <15180@borg.cs.unc.edu>, kupstas@tlab4.cs.unc.edu (Eileen Kupstas) writes:
>... We called LL Bean to get a price on fixing it, since
>we assumed it would cost a bundle and wouldn't be worth it.
>Well, surprise! They said "pack it up, send it back. 
>We'll repair or replace." ??!!!? Shock ensued. We're waiting
>until it returns to see if we do indeed get billed, but there
>was no indication of this in the conversation. 

Just a note on LLBean...

To say that they're service-oriented would be a massive understatement.
They stand behind the products they sell to such an extent that any
product with the Bean label on it (and most that don't) that they sell
they will repair or replace at no cost. That's part of the reason their
prices are slightly higher. 

You're certainly not alone, though. The Scout troop which I am a Scout-
Master for owns a large number of 4-man Eureka! Timberlines. The older
tents did eventually have failure in the zippers, mainly due to snapped
or warped nylon teeth. Supposedly, Eureka! has started making the
tents with self-repairing zippers, and our newer tents are holding up
quite well. Considering the beating they take from the boys, I'd say
that's pretty good.

Dennis Wilkinson
Senior Macintosh Programmer
Design/CS Project - UMass Dartmouth

Standard disclaimer applies - hey, they ARE my opinions!!!
From: kleinschmidt@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Sheep at 12,000 feet
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:10:09 GMT
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA

Greg Jahn writes (15 Sep 92):
 
>SHEEP .....
>or as I've heard them appropriately called - RANGE MAGGOTS ...
 
John Muir, in his book "My first summer in the Sierras", appropriately 
referred to the sheep driven to the High Sierras to graze there as 
"locusts of the high meadows".  See the frontispiece illustration to 
the first edition of this book.
 
Jochen Kleinschmidt
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet.
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:58:26 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep10.173321.20965@morrow.stanford.edu>
AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:
>>Something not mentioned in the article about cattle grazing in the bay
>>area relates to a recent decision regarding grazing on Mt. Diablo.  The
>>grazing cattle helped reduce the amount of underbrush and as a result
>>lessened the spread of wildfires.  If grazing cattle do have a impact
>>on wildfires I'd rather endure a few bovines with bells on than have an
>>entire area wiped out via wildfire.
>>
Marc>Your comment is understandable but misses a critical point.  Several
Marc>native plant species in the SF Bay Area will not propagate unless
Marc>their seeds are scorched by fire.  Hence, fire supression serves to
Marc>endanger these plants rather than protect them.

If we keep the cows at there roaming, then we cease having the American
"Wild" West.  We would have pastoral Europe.  This is similar to a second
set of Chevron ads (the ones about the sheep).  We need to appeal to science
and reason and not people's Bambi notions.

Keep up the good work Marc (and Wayne and Greg).
And remember: take no prisoners.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: tad@ssc.wa.com (Tad Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: National radio 190 schematics wanted
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:02:16 GMT
Organization: very little

In article <omara.715908754@sad.rose.brandeis.edu> omara@athena.mit.edu (dan omara) writes:
>I've recently purchaced a national 190 at a local flea market. No
>schematic or manual was available. Since it needs realignment, I'd
>hope to be able to find someone who could provide a xerox of
>shchematics for a suitable compensation. Thanks in advance for your
>help and consideration.
>


Hi Manuals has the manual you are looking for.  They offer high
quality reproductions of manuals for most older ham rigs and shortwave
receivers.  Their catalog is $2.00 from:
 
Hi Manuals
P.O. Box 802
Council Bluffs, IA  51502-0802
 


-- 
 Tad Cook     |  Phone:  206-527-4089  (home)     |   MCI Mail: 3288544   
 Seattle, WA  |  Packet: KT7H @ N7DUO.WA.USA.NA   |   3288544@mcimail.com 
              |  Internet: tad@ssc.wa.com        or...sumax!ole!ssc!tad   
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: st1pb@rosie.uh.edu (Burris, Dean E.)
Subject: antenna tuner needed
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:53:00 GMT

I am looking for an inexpensive antenna tuner.  Any old junk 
that works is fine.  

Dean- KB5USC
From: turner@safety.ICS.UCI.EDU (Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG)
Subject: Ten Tec 242 wanted, 572B tubes.....
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:13:51 GMT

Hello all:  I have had really good luck on this board, and have had
some real kindness shown to me, so here I go again looking for an
uncommon accessory:

Anyone have a Ten Tec model 242 external vfo for the Triton IV series
radio?  Wanted, working or not.

Need a pair of 572B tubes that can be mounted horizontally, new or
used.

(Always looking for a Ten Tec Argonaut for parts.)

.....................

Clark Savage Turner, Graduate Student Researcher
Safety Critical Software Group			home:
Department of Info. and Computer Science	1514 Verano Place
Irvine, CA. 92717				Irvine, CA. 92715
(714) 856 4049					(714) 856 2131

WA3JPG, QRP #3526, active on HF, VHF and UHF.
Organizing the WB6KGN club of the University of California, Irvine.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: gbuffing@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gavin D. Buffington)
Subject: WANTED 1200MHz Equipment
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 21:15:25 GMT

WANTED:  1200MHZ RX/TX/antennas
Please send replies to:           gbuffing@physics.umr.edu


Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,misc.forsale,chi.forsale
From: joe@netcom.com (Joseph Jesson)
Subject: Spectron datascope For Sale
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 03:22:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



The Spectron D-301 Datascope is a general purpose synchronous or 
asynchronous serial data monitor.  Any speed up to 72kbps, this unit 
displays 5, 6, 7, or 8 data bits for sync and async data on a small 
built-in CRT display.  Trap or watch your serial data stream for all 
data moving across a serial link.  Displays standard ASCII async and
IBM's SDLC/BISYNC traffic.

Comes with the optional Spectron T-96 Digital tape unit which stores 
the framed data on standard tape cartridges.

Asking $295.00 for the pair... (new, the D-301 and T-96 cost 5 figures)


 Call Joe at 312.856.3645 or 708.356.6817 eve
From: hugo@huge.West.Sun.COM (Hugo Tafel - South Bay SE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: Icom u4at 440 HT 4 sale
Date: 9 Sep 1992 18:13:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hugo@huge.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: huge.west.sun.com


	Icom u4AT (thats the micro 4 AT), PL and touch tone pad.
	2 battery packs (BP 22&23), drop in charger, soft case, manual.
	Asking $185.00 or best offer.



Work # (408)562-6321
Home # (408)739-6138

Hugo, N6YWH
From: bartsch@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Eric A. Bartsch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: HF Transceiver, Ant. Tuner for Sale <---
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:05:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

FOR SALE:  HF Transceiver and Antenna Tuner
 
Kenwood TS-820S HF Transceiver
 
     - Solid State HF Transceiver with Tube Finals
     - 160 to 10 meters, Full Digital Display
     - 100 Watts CW, SSB, RTTY
     - 500 Hz CW filter accessory included
     - MC-50 Desktop Microphone included
     - Original Box and Manuals, plus spare finals.
     - $475.00
 
MFJ-949D Antenna Tuner
 
     - Tunes 0-30 MHz
     - Includes SWR/RF Power Meter
     - Internal Dummy Load Antenna
     - Lighted dial with 12 volt source
     - 300 Watts
     - Includes Original Box and Manual.
     - $95.00
 
If TS-820S purchased with MFJ-949D, will sell as package for $550.00.
You pay UPS COD Money order shipping, F.O.B. St. Paul, Minnesota.

Both of these units are in excellent condition.  Reply to the email
address below or call (612) 486-8102.

Eric Bartsch - N0JVP

UUCP: {amdahl!bungia, crash}!orbit!pnet51!bartsch
ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!bartsch@nosc.mil
INET: bartsch@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Xref: sparky rec.radio.swap:2422 misc.forsale:26236
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: Antenna Tunas for sale
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:53:53 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1917k5INN3q3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.165424.29656@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>Richard.Chalk@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Chalk) writes:
>>
>>>Antenna TUNAS ???    Something definitely fishy here <G>
>>
>>Yes, the water-packed albacore type!

>How does the performance of albacore compare with aircore and foamcore and
>ironcore and ferritecore?

I can't resist -

 You can tuna 'tenna, but you can't tuna fish ;-)
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  - Patrick Taylor                                       (Arthur Dent)
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From: M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: WNATED SK610/SK620/SK630
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:30:04 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH


I need to get hold of some VHF bases for 4CX250 series valves at a reasonable
price. I could also do with a pair of HF bases later on.


Mike
0483 300800 x2310
From: st1pb@rosie.uh.edu (Burris, Dean E.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: Power Supply
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:01:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I need a power supply for a Yaesu Ft707 HF rig.  I would
like to keep the price under $60.  I can get a new one for
about $100.  

Dean - KB5USC
From: jeffj@seeker.mystic.com (Jeff Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: WANTED: Radio Shack 10 meter rig.
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:02:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mystic Software Pittsburg, Ca

I need a used 10 meter rig to play with. I can offer $100 for a used
Radio Shack 10 meter rig. Will also include shipping in addition to
offer. 73!

Jeff

-- 
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         | Prediction is very difficult, 
 UUCP   uunet!seeker!jeffj | especially about the future.
 Infolinc BBS 510-778-5929 |          Storm Petersen
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: davecole@cie.uoregon.edu.uoregon.edu (Dave Cole)
Subject: Trade: Reloading (.45) equip for ?
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:26:53 GMT

  I am going through the normal clean up after a move.  I have a complete
COlt .45 reloading setup, more stuff than I should list here.  Looking
to trade for 2 M equipment, (no xtal), or astronomy things.

  Please E-MAIL


--
Name:     David C. Cole
E-MAIL:   Internet: davecole@uoregon.cie.edu
          GEnie:    ASTRONOMY

==Astrophotography Forever==

Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: mnystrom@athena.mit.edu (Mika Nystroem)
Subject: Sick Grundig Satellit 600
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:50:27 GMT


I want to sell one defective Grundig Satellit 600 Professional shortwave/long-
wave/mediumwave/FM receiver. This is what's wrong with it:

1. Most importantly, it howls or booms or scratches when tuned to a station.
   This problem is most probably not in the high-frequency part of the receiver,
   but this is really what you have to fix if you want it to work.

There are other, more cosmetic problems with it:
2. The volume control scratches
3. One of the wheels in the dial mechanism has hopped off its axle. I didn't want
   to put it back in the wrong place, so I didn't put it back, period :)
4. The high-frequency speaker isn't in place. You really don't need it though.


I have an offer of $25 for it, but the guy who offered that seemed to think it
was worth more. What do you think? :)

If you don't know what a Grundig Satellit 600 Professional is, it's a pretty big
digital control receiver, built like a brick, but it is a piece of consumer 
electronics. It weighs in at 19 lb without batteries and the closest thing to it
today is, I guess, the Satellit 500 which costs anything from $400 up. It'll run
on 110 V or 220 V or 10-16 V DC or internal batteries. It currently comes with
a European-style plug (although I'll throw in an adapter if you really want one.)


 Mika Nystroem
 mnystrom@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap