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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: men in their thirties who never dated
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:51:08 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <MARTINC.92Sep29212026@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:

>In article <ewright.717781394@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>   >Because, Edward, what they are saying is true! Did you ever stop to think
>   >of that?  Americans, in general, are not very physically fit. 

>   Do you have any evidence to prove that?

>Ed, we've offered medical evidence with references on more than one
>occasion.  You've responded with (a) a stupid conspiracy theory and (b)

Your "evidence" wouldn't convince even a bright high-school student, 
Charlie.  You quote studies that had obvious errors in them -- one
study failed to control for the effects of diet, another assumed that
walking, running, and tennis were all equally strenuous forms of exercise --
and when someone points out these experimental errors, you launch ad hominem
attacks such as "conspiracy theory."  In science, there are no unquestionable
truths.  Established theories must be open to question, because that is
the way science advances.  You believe that scientific truth can be found
in a book that contains the last word on the subject because it is written
by "the authorities" [your exact words].  Unfortunately, authority is
useless in science.  As G. Harry Stine said, "if it's 'official', it ain't
science -- by definition."  Your Official Science is not science but
religion.  The DUMB Book of Diet and Exercise is your holy scripture,
which you will defend against anyone who dares to point out the inadequacies
of your research methods or the exaggerated nature of your claims.  





Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: probst@selkirk.sfu.ca (Scott Probst)
Subject: Re: Exercise mania ( was: The great fitness debate)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:17:26 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Sep30225828@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>In article <ewright.717886539@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>
>   Hank Dietz writes:
>
>   >   It might be
>   >   true that exercise helps, but MODERATION is the key.  
>
>   And (Charles R. Martin) responds:
>
>   >Wow, the all-or-nothing crowd are really out in force today.  Everything
>   >above is true -- and none of it contradicts the idea that exercise is
>   >important to health.
>
famous old australian saying: 

                  "all things in moderation....  including moderation"

scott

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap)
Subject: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:09:24 GMT

I got this from soc.women. Mattel really did it this time It is bad enough
that Barbie instills an unattainable body image to our little girls now
they are now reinforcing fear of math.


     According to the Wall Street Journal this morning, Mattel is selling
     a product called "Teen Talk Barbie" which says 4 phrases.  One of the 
     phrases is "Math class is hard".  I can't imagine a product better
     designed to program math avoidance into little girls.  We've all heard
     many times how math avoidance limits women's educational opportunities
     and career choices.  Mattel justifies this product by saying something
     like they aren't saying the other classes are easy, and that they have
     a doll availble that says "I want to be a doctor".  I'm sure we all
     wish Barbie good luck on achieving her goal of becoming a doctor
     without any math skills.  If you have views on this subject that
     you would like to share with the Mattel company, you can call
     1-800-421-2887 or write to Mattel at 330 Continental Blvd.,
     El Secundo, Ca. 90245.

Joni :)

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Humans as Physical Creatures.
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:18:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.135236.16647@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:

|> According to the several hundred hours I spent sitting through
|> various anthropology lectures during my undergrad days, humans, though
|> primates, did NOT evolve from apes.  Humans, that is Cro-Magnons, evolved
|> from other hominids, if I remember correctly.

Humans are not Cro-Magnons, nor are they direct descendants of Cro-Magnon.
Cro-Magnon was a "branch" that died out, possibly because their heads were
too big for easy childbirth (well, it's a theory!). They did share many of
the same evolutional developments that the human forebears had, but they were
not direct ancestors.

|> Saying humans evolved from apes is like saying deer evolved from giraffes.
|> No.

Well, you're right, but I would wager that humans and apes share a closer 
ancestor than deer and giraffes.

jds

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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: hays@TECHNET.NM.ORG (Larry 'Purple' Hays)
Subject: Re: If you please?
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:46:51 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Technet   Albuquerque, NM
Distribution: na
Reply-To: hays@TECHNET.NM.ORG

In article <1992Oct6.154932.28434@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>
>Ballon Boink update if you please?
>Details, details.

Dude, we're all still recovering, I think.  I know I am.  A posting is in
the works, and will be completed as soon as I can convince these folks here
at work that it's more important than their pitiful priorities. . .

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Larry 'Purple' Hays                                        hays@technet.nm.org

                    Nobody TOLD be there's a time limit. . .
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: men in their thirties who never dated
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:37:39 GMT


>ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>>words into my mouth.  I said that I was kicked out of soc.singles.
>>In other words, I was responding to people like you who posted about 
>>a million messages saying, "this subject is not appropriate of this 
>>newsgroup.  Get the hell out of here."  Perhaps I was wrong to knuckle
>>under so easily to you petty censors, but it won't happen again. 

*laugh*  Then perhaps we should try a different approach.  Let's just
ignore him, folks.  Let him post whatever he wants, but don't respond
except to correct errors of fact, of which there seem to be many.  Let
him opine as he sees fit.  Just say 'n'.
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Asking advice
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:38:46 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <y09n!pg.aahz@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
>In article <114@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>Well, I hope you never run into the ProblemOlderWoman when I'm with her;
>you'd probably barf.  And, no, I don't think I'm particularly insecure.
>-- 

I apologize , Mr Mean Green Dancing Machine, if I overstepped.
however, it is a generally accepted Psychological Theory, that 
Public Displays of Affection [PDA] are a symptom of insecurity
on the part of one or both of the parties involved.  It is quite
similar to the syndrome whereby males drive down the street
with the windows open on their cars, with the sound system blaring
exceptionally loud.  This is meant to overcompensate for their
below-average penis size, or their shortcomings in the ability
to consumate a physical relationship.  Consequently, the old
cliche that states "...the meek shall inherit the earth..."
has merit.
--Keith

Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Understanding Women
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:04:01 GMT

taina@cs.Helsinki.FI (Juha Taina) writes:
(re: woman saying "I'll love you forever")
>
>It's also a great way to confuse him.  Once someone said that she loves
>me forever.  She loved me less than 7 months.  Don't say anything about
>eternity if you don't mean it; someone might be fool enough to believe
>you.

Sorry - you did. The only problem is society reinforces that "She" expects
you to say the same. It lasts as long as it does. You and she should both
know that. Forever is demonstrated through doing it.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Humans as Physical Creatures.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:06:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.220816.7895@sfu.ca> probst@selkirk.sfu.ca (Scott Probst) writes:
>In article <MARTINC.92Oct4161546@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct3.205144.28512@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>>
>>   In article <MARTINC.92Oct2122534@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>>   >In article <1992Oct2.115332.11796@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>>   >
>>   >   I think you might be confusing Cro-Magnons with Neanderthals.  The
>>
>>   >Serious, I've read at least a few suggestions that Neanderthals and
>>   >Cromagnons were a single interbreeding and that the Neanderthals didn't
>>   >so much become extinct as be absorbed.  Maybe agriculture was too
>>   >tempting.... 
>>
>>   Well, the two leading theories are that the Neanderthals were either
>>   absorbed or exterminated by the Cro-Magnons.  Given European treatment
>>   of various indigenous peoples, e.g., the Tasmanians, I'm not prepared to
>>   rule out the latter.  However, agriculture can be ruled out.  Our Cro-
>>   Magnon ancestors didn't make that mistake until about 30,000 years after
>>   the Neanderthals were gone.
>>
>hmmm. a fellow here at SFU recently completed a dissertation which made the
>thesis that neanderthals were never actually a distinct species, but that the
>regular physical differences which give this impression (all, to my knowledge,
>based on bone evidence) were caused by differences in use and physical activity.hmmm.

Neanderthals haven't been considered a separate species for a long time now.
To get technical, they're _Homo sapiens neanderthalensis_ while modern humans
and Cro-Magnons are _Homo sapiens sapiens_ (there's been a half-joking proposal
to rename our species from _sapiens_ to _ludens_).  Members of different
subspecies within a species are considered to be able to interbreed, so that's
one part that Jean Auel got right in _Clan of the Cave Bear_.

-- Herb Huston
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Marriage
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:27:49 GMT
Distribution: soc.singles
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BvB9Au.uo@inews.Intel.COM> gbennett@frx781.intel.com (gbennett) writes:
>
>I would like to pose a hypothetical question to any single willing to
>respond.  Here it is:
>
>   Would you be willing to give up a career, a new home, and a new car
>   for an everlasting and loving marriage?


The new home and new car are totally irrelevant and replaceable.  A good
mate isn't.

The career is a tougher question.  I'd like to think that in this day and
age, dual-career couples are workable.  I don't think I could give you a
black or white answer on that; I'm a writer and am therefore not tied to a
particular place.  If my husband were transferred, say, it wouldn't be a
problem to pack up and go with him.  I can't think of any way in which
giving up writing would affect a marriage positively.




-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Newsgroups: soc.singles,talk.bizarre,alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: escotoR@moravian.edu (Randall Escoto @ Moravian College Vampire CS Dept.)
Subject: Re: How long has it been?
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:17:20 EDT

In article <1992Oct6.134605.16183@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mneeley@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Neeley) writes:
> How long has it been since you were kissed by a member of
> the opposite sex?
> 
Hmm. *reaches back into memory* How about 9 years.



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From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:12:03 GMT
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu's message of 30 Sep 92 19:37:50 GMT

In article <BvEp74.7z7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:

   But--math class _is_ hard!  I never did figger out algebra.  

   (Category theory, on the other hand, now that's easy.  Topology too.)

I'm glad someone else thinks so.  Except I can't decide if I like
toposes or topoi better.
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From: gbennett@frx781.intel.com (gbennett)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Marriage
Summary: A hypothetical question
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:01:41 GMT
Distribution: soc.singles
Organization: Intel Corporation


I would like to pose a hypothetical question to any single willing to
respond.  Here it is:

   Would you be willing to give up a career, a new home, and a new car
   for an everlasting and loving marriage?

I would like to hear any replies to this.

Gerald Bennett
From: mark@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Mark Rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Importing BK4 data into BK5
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:53:58 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.

I know this is a stupid question, and I know that I have
done this in the past, but I can't remember how to move
my version 4 data into version 5.

Can anybody help?

Thanks
Mark Rauschkolb
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:06:42 EDT
Reply-To:     David.Strong.Flower@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
From:         David.Strong.Flower@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      ------- SINCE THE CIVIL WAR book
Comments: To: Roots-L@um.cc.umich.edu, ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

 Don't bother to reply to my last ENQ. I saw Bea Cohen's message.
 Thanks, Dave Flower.
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Do research and ignore polemics
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:48:01 GMT

JHL@NAIF.JPL.NASA.GOV ((Jay H. Lieske Sr)) writes:

>Recently, fr responded to a question as follows:

>JWD@PSUVM: is locate their birthplaces.  One was born in Lietzow, Stettin, Pomme
>rania
>JWD@PSUVM: in 1853 and the other was born in Sittnow, Stettin, Pommerania in 188
>9.

>        Normally, Fred gives useful information, but one has to learn
>when to accept things from UseNet as just hot air or useful information.

I'm not sure where the 'hot air' come from, I could not find either place in 
or near Stettin where you had placed them.


>in Hamburg is of use.  It states that Lietzow is now called Lisowo in
>Poland in the vicinity of Regenwalde, just NE of Frankfurt/Oder.

OK, smack in the middle of the Mark Brandenburg, a few miles from Berlin. What 
does that have to do with Pomerania? I will be in Erkner, Eberswalde-Finow and 
Fuerstenwalde sometime around the 20th of October. I won't be permitted to 
drive the car over the Oder otherwise I could take a look at Regenwalde too.


>        Sittnow is perhaps Sittna (Sytno) in Czechoslovakia, just
>West of Plzen (Pilsen), Czechoslovakia.  At least it does not
>appear in "Von der Oder ostwaerts."

Again, what in the world made you place this town in or near Stettin? 

Perhaps you refer to my mention of 16 million refugees as polemics? Doesn't 
change the fact of one of the largest migrations of peoples in the history of 
mankind, does it?

fred



>                                -Jay Lieske
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick)
Subject: Re: Roots Cellar On-line
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:23:12 GMT
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suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick) writes:

>I just noticed in my July/August issue of "The Genealogical Helper" that
>Everton Publisher's Inc is making Vol I and II of the Roots Cellar available
>on-line.  It says it'll be available 15 September and I'm to watch my mailbox.

>Well, I've not heard anything new and I haven't gotten my latest copy of GH.
>Anyone know anything about this?

I just called these folks and spoke with a man in their computer systems
group.  He said that the Sep/Oct issue of GH had two pages of details on
how to get the info.

He gave me to understand that there is a connection fee, and that we will
be able to down load the Roots Cellar plus other databases.  By the end of the 
year we should be able to do on-line queries.

This is a _BIG_ deal!  I (or perhaps someone who gets their issue before I
do) will post the details when I get them.  

Jean
From: rlm@druhi.ATT.COM (MesenbrinkBL)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Scanning and printing out scanned images.
Keywords: scanner photo genealogy
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:33:47 GMT
Distribution: soc

Hi everyone!

I have a scanner on my PC which I find can pull in some great 
gray-scale images.  I would like to use it to copy all my genealogical 
pictures, but I am not sure what approach to take.  It has resolutions 
up to 400 dpi, but I'm not sure if I should use the extra disk space 
that those images require, not to mention the increased difficulty 
with hand scanning at that resolution.  The images at that resolution 
are bigger than I can easily view on an SVGA, being over 1600 dots 
square.  And besides, a 100 dpi 256 gray-scale image looks great on 
screen.  

I also want to print these images out.  I can see two different 
reasons for this.  One is for reproducing photos, the other is for 
publishing.  For reproducing photos, I want to be able to print all the 
shades of gray in the image, but is there such a printer?  For 
publishing, I question whether the 300 dpi laser technology is 
adequate.  

So, I guess I would just like to hear from people who are using 
scanners in this way or may have faced these same types of issues.  


Thanks.

Bob Mesenbrink
rlm@druhi.att.com
Denver, Colorado
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: What is a direct ancestor?
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:17:22 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <2465.2AC603BE@catpe.alt.za> Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes) writes:
>On <23 Sep 1992 22:09> Tom Lincoln said to All :
>
> TL>a 5% error rate in established communities and in some large 
> TL>port cities
> TL>a 30% error rate... per generation on the father's side... 
> TL>so...
>
>Certainly your father's father's father's father if you're male - where else 
>do you think your Y chromosome comes from?

Perhaps the matter was not well stated, but clearly the difference
referred to is the father of record and in a legal sense, i.e. the
(genealogically) accepted father and the fahter of the Y chromosome...

Anyone who has dealt with blood bank data (as I have) and transplant
matching data is merely re-reminded - if the reminder were necessary -
that Noel C. Stevenson's book Genealogical Evidence opens properly
with a discussion of the difference between legal legitimacy and
chromosomal inheritance...

The "error rate" is in the genealogical relatedness, surely not in
the biological one..

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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:43:22 CDT
Reply-To:     Melodi Rayl <mrayl@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
From:         Melodi Rayl <mrayl@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Dutch - Black, New Holland, Low
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NODAK.EDU

Well, I've always been told that my Mom's maternal side was "Low" Dutch!
Does anyone know what THAT means?

Melodi Rayl
St. Louis
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RAYL  also  BISHOP, FLIPPIN, GOUGE, HARROLD, PEARCY
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jdboer@sol.UVic.CA (Johan deBoer)
Subject: Someone in Michigan
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: roots-l
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 06:42:23 GMT

Hello rooters,
I am tracing some of my lines and discovered something interesting. My 
mother's maiden name is SIKKENGA, they all live in the Netherlands.
This name is not very common in the Netherlands as I understand it.
When I checked the SSDI listings for SIKKENGA, I found about 55 of them
who died between the early 1960's and 1980's in the US. The majority
appeared to be from Muskogen and Kalamazoo in Michigan.
I am wondering if these might be all descendents from maybe one family
that moved from the Netherlands to Michigan some time ago. 
Would someone in Michigan be able to have a look in a telephone book
for these cities and copy some of the SIKKENGA listed in it for me?
I would really appreciate the help.

thanks in advance

Johan de Boer
jdboer@sol.uvic.ca



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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:08:42 EDT
Reply-To:     David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU
From:         David_L._Carson@MTS.RPI.EDU
Subject:      Black Dutch
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

HI All,

Baed on the continuing conversations about Black Dutch, I assume many
discussants either missed or failed to save a couple excellent
explanations of  . . . is it Melungeons--Moorish Portugese who
migrated to Holland and thence to this continent and supposedly mixed
with the indians in and around Tenn.?

Would you knowing people please post again?

David L. Carson,