From: michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger)
Subject: Re: Is Serdar Argic a person, a mutlu or an AS?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:39:46 GMT
Originator: michaelp@conway.ifi.uio.no


In article <83369@ut-emx.uucp>, vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky) writes:
> The readers of all these newsgroup are probably familiar with Hasan
> B. Mutlu who used to flood the net with Goebbels-style anti-Armenian
> propaganda.  Recently, articles of the same style and content started
> appearing from the account sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic).  At first blush,
> it seemed like he is just another Turk that happen to share Mutlu's bigoted
> opinions and style of discourse, but the similarities were just too
> overwhelming for a mere coincidence.  Most netters thus came to the opinion
> that Serdar Argic is simply a pen name of HBM, perhaps used to dissociate
> HBM's employer (AT&T) from his net.activities.
> 
> I now believe things are not so simple:  sera@zuma postings are not generated
> by Serdar Argic, Hasan B. Mutlu or any other human, but by an AS (Artificial
> Stupidity), that is, an AI of unusually low intelligence.  Perhaps HBM wrote
> this BS-generating auto-poster, but it operates autonomously, like a word
> processor attempting to get rid of sexist language and thus turning "manual"
> into "personual".  Not even Mutlu can be THAT dumb.
> 
> Here is my evidence.  Recently, I counter-flamed somebody (sorry, I forgot the
> name) in soc.culture.soviet for the ugly manner of his flames, and concluded
> as following:
> > .... Do you have any *evidence*  
> > to the contrary?  If not, please do everybody a favor and shut up, before
> > you turn into another fucking Mutlu.
> My article, as well as all the previous articles on the same subject --
> "Re: tampon flame, very sad story" -- were posted solely to s.c.s. and had
> absolutely nothing to do with Turkey, Armenians or anything related.  There
> was absolutely no reason for HBM or any other person whose main interest is
> Turkey and her alleged foes to even read that article, let alone respond to it.
> And yet, here is what showed up in all of the above newsgroups:
> 
> In article <9211062155@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
> > In article <82909@ut-emx.uucp> vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S.  
> Kaplunovsky) writes:
> > 
> > >to the contrary?  If not, please do everybody a favor and shut up, before
> > >you turn into another fucking Mutlu.
> > 
> > "Kaplumbaga" has semi-cosmic implications. Kind of narrow and crooked
> > and cluttered up. Still living in x-Soviet Union?
> > 
> >         The Age...Melbourne...6/3/92
> > 
> >         By Helen WOMACK  .... Agdam, Azerbaijan, Thursday
> > 
> [the rest of the article omitted, in the interest of brevity]
> > 
> > Serdar Argic
> > 
> >                      'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
> >                       We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
> >                       serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
> >                       then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
> >                                                        (Ohanus Appressian)
> 
> This response is so disconnected from the subject matter of the original
> article trend that I simply cannot see it as written by anything that can
> pass for a sane human long enough to hold a job.  AT&T occasionally employs
> some weirdos, but not THIS weird!  And the article <9211062155@zuma.UUCP> is
> not an isolated incident, there have been tons of this kind of shit before,
> all massively cross-posted.  And for a shit-flood like this, there can be
> only one explanation: an AS.
> 
> Specifically, somewhere attached to the net, there is an AS that scans all
> the articles in a wide range of newsgroups (perhaps ALL of them??) and selects
> ALL articles that mention Mutlu by name or alias.  Than AS generates a
> "response", by combining a two-line quote from the triggering article,
> a two-line mindless flame containing a mangled name of the author of that
> article, and a looong quote from some obscure book magazine article detailing
> some alleged Armenian misdeeds.  Those quotes are apparently selected from some
> on-line library in a rather random manner.  The library itself is presumably
> maintained by Mutlu or like-minded human bigots, but the selection appears
> totally unrelated to the subject matter of the original trend or even to the
> newsgroup in which it appeared:  AS-generated BS is always massively
> cross-posted.
> 
> -- Vadim.
> 
> PS:  I apologize for cross-posting myself, but I don't know of any other way
> to get to people that might be able to DO something useful about the situation.
> 

I have also experienced the some answer from the same entity which was remotely
related to my posting, with a very long citation following. 

> 
> **********************************************************************
> Vadim S. Kaplunovsky,              | #include <std_disclaimer.h>
> Assistant Professor of Physics,    |
> University of Texas at Austin.     | My English isn't THAT bad,
> vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu         | but my typing stinks:-(.

Michael