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From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Excluding Men
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:08:05 GMT

(Lata Narayanan) writes:
>Satya Prabakar says:
>
>>        In all institutions from which the cold wind of open
>>        criticism is excluded, an innocent corruption begins
>>        to grow like a mushroom - for example, in senates and
>>        learned societies.              - Nietzsche
>
>Do you have any reason to believe that open criticism is excluded
>from this group? 

Open criticism is excluded because the group excludes those who do
not conform to its notion of homogeneity, i.e., being a woman.

>I can't believe that you  think that women are not 
>capable of constructive criticism and debate. 

You should be a bit more careful when flinging inferential
accusations. Neither Nietzsche nor I (by virtue of quoting him)
have singled out any particular segment, leave alone women,
for being incapable of constructive criticism. The thesis is 
that the warmth of congruent beliefs effectively curbs dissent, 
no matter who it is!

>So I am at a loss to understand what you mean by this
>gloomy prediction.

Perhaps it is now eminently evident :-)

Satya Prabhakar (satya@ssdc.honeywell.com)

p.s. I will cease and desist from this topic after this for I have
     no particular inclination in taking part in this email group
     even if it were open. This is not because I have no interest
     in the affairs of women, but I am fairly busy dealing with my
     wife (:-)) and enjoying my 3-week old daughter. Ain't life 
     lovely! It is the best of times and it is the best of times.
From: ihusain@pyramid.COM (Intisar Husain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Information needed on F-1
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:00:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <1992Nov17.151036.23202@njitgw.njit.edu>, deepak@konark.njit.edu (Albatross) writes:
|> In article <184312@pyramid.pyramid.com> ihusain@pyramid.COM (Intisar Husain) writes:
|> >
|> >Hello,
|> >
|> >About 4 years ago when my F-1 visa was expired, I went to 
|> 
|>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> For your information, An F-1 visa has no specific expiry date. It has
|> something known as D-S, meaning Duration of Status. This visa is valid
|> as long as you are enrolled in some school as a student. It never
|> expires. I cant believe that you actually got an F-1 visa in mexico. 
|> F-1 visa is strictly issued in the home country of the person who
|> applies for it.
|> 
|> Maybe you got an extension. But If you are in this country & you are no
|> longer on F-1 status & need to get back to F-1 status, then all you need
|> to do is apply to the INS along with supporting documents like your new
|> I-20, your old I-20, attached letter explaining why you were out of
|> school (out of status), & the relevant INS forms for "reinstatement of
|> status". 
|> 
|> Good Luck!
|> 
|> P.S BTW You will have no problems in applying directly to the INS. They
|>     would rather have a legal student here than have an illegal alien.
|> --
|> VLSI:=> "Getting High On Low Voltage"       ** 
|> E15WNJTPXE15x280WXR1TL21NXL4TL17NXR10TL->    **    Those who can, DO
|> You can tune a guitar, but you cant tuna fish.**    Those who cant, TEACH.
|> *******************************************************************************

Thanks for your reply. 

You are right, that there is no expiration for F-1 status, as long
as one is registered in school (D/S), but there is always an expiration
date on the visa stamped on the passport.

I was not clear in my last post, but what I meant was that, initially
I got a 2-year F-1 visa from my home country. After its expiration,
I went to mexico and got another F-1 visa (Not the status), so that
I can travel in and out of US, without going to US consulate in my 
home country. 

My original question was, if someone has any recent experience, about
getting the extenssion on their F-1 visa from Canada or Mexico, please
share with me, because one of my friend is looking for such information.

Thanks in advance.

Intisar.
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: nothin
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:31:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.19052.2b068983

In article <1e6bboINNn89@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki) writes:
> re hi

 "MR." Doki: I would highly suggest that you take your sense
  of sick humor someplace else. It is recommended that you refrain
  from posting such ridiculous sentences in future, otherwise I'll
  be forced to report this misconduct to your SyS. aDmIn. Got it ?

	beeeeee careful in future, "doooooode" (?) !!!

> 
> 
> 
> 
> suresh
> 
> 

  nO-sIgNaTuRe 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jbp61306@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jay Patel)
Subject: re: premarital sex
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:11:28 GMT


Atul,

Just remember the following regardless of when you do it.

	 "The deeper you go,  the better it gets.."


Jay
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: arathi,allah,srik
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:10:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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In article <26966@optima.cs.arizona.edu> srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:
>In article <2088@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca#, rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
># In article <26933@optima.cs.arizona.edu# srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:
># #Allah speaketh :
># #
># #Fear not my child!, the reason for your confusion is feminism.
># #
># #Me to Allah :
># #  * Allah, allah, feminism, Dokism, Gluh, glah.. aaumaau...*
># 
># Hope this helps you see the world *even* better.
>
>Me To Allah :
>Allah to me :
>if Confused == "YES"  Ask Allah to  help you.
># 
># Arathi.
>
>	-srik
># -- 


	Haaaaalppppp!! Hey Allah, forget Srik. Now *I* am confused with all
	this cross talk between a confused feminist and a cownfirmed
	feminazi :) Send Rebecca West to me to help me out. And while you're
	at it, playing omnipotent and all that, why don't you complete my
	QM assignment and also send a bolt on Doki? Or are you going to 
	proclaim that you and Doki are same to same, a la Rebecca??

	FFT
















Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajain@bones.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: ** REPOST** : Essay on Cow : -)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:06:45 GMT

In article <1ek2eqINN6ik@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, udumudi@vanilla (u v babu srinivas) writes:
|> Rajat Jain (rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu) wrote:
|> 
|> : Repost of the essay on "Cow" which was (supposedly) written by some student 
|> : in the course of completing the "Indian Civil Services Examination" :-)
|>  
|>   [an essay on cow]
|> 
|> : P.S.: We are informed that the candidate passed the exam.
|> 
|> 
|> haha.. it was too good!
|> 
|> if only we had our own mother tongue for education in India, the s.c.i.
|> would've missed this great article, don't you think so? :)
|> 
|> and, of course, the candidate would've passed with high marks :)
|> (assuming the exam was not for testing english ;)

	Hey the candidate *did* pass the exam with high marks :-) 
	(at least that's what I've been told)



|> 
|>                                                           -- srinivas
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	rAjAt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian,rec.music.indian.misc,rec.music.indian.classical,osu.indian,osu.music
From: R2HMV@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: **** LIVE: PANKAJ UDHAS, NIRMAL UDHAS, MANHAR UDHAS ****
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.164818.7243@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
 
>
>What is your problem ? This is CLASSICAL. Please do not post
>this nonsense here.
 
If your idea of classical music is film songs and the like then let me tell
you that YOU are in the WRONG place. This group deals with "miscellaneous"
music and therefore the posting is appropriate.
If you want discussion on classical music, I suggest you read rec.music.indian.
classical and don't bore us.
 
cheers,
 
Hari
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fvs6259                         
Subject: ********* PLEASE HELP **********
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:33:00 GMT

***** I had posted this sometime back, would some kind and knowledgable 
soul please respond ********** Ad thanks vance **********

Dear Friends,

	I need to ask some knowledgable netter a question
regarding extension of tourist visa(stay permit) for my mother.
We have gotten  two 6 months extensions during her stay here and
are interested in applying for another 6 month.  I am faced with
the following choices:

1.  Mail in the application for extension to the local INS

2.  Go in person to INS for an interview.

3.  Go to Canada on a tourist visa and then apply for tourist visa
    to US upon reentry.

	I would like to know which is the best approach that 
worked for you in the past.  Our last two applications were
mailed and were granted on medical grounds.  This time I 
am not sure.  Any helpful advice will be greatly apprerciated.

Many thanks for your kind help,

Anil
fvs6259@umnacvx


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:37512 soc.culture.tamil:3734 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1095
From: udumudi@vanilla (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Sterotype views on Tamils
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:44:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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K. Srinivasan  (srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca) writes:

: > 3. Tamils are fanatics.

: I hope at least the highly educated people do not carry these views.
: These views, quite possibly have been propagated by some Tamils themselves


you really can't blame these people who are convinced that 
a telugu listening to telugu songs sitting alone at his home, 
is being fanatic.

and what to do with a telugu who beleives that's true?

							-- srinivas
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:24:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.172315.16215@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>I think as a customer, I have the right to demand good service, not take
>it if the waiter is kind enough and then compensate him or her for being
>so nice to me. They are dependent on us and not viceversa.  They should 
>treat us customers well not in anticipation of a gratuity but because 
>they are running a business. Anyone who is not aware of this fundamental 
>principle perhaps will not last long.  
>
I agree. I remember my uncle telling me an incident in Japan when he 
left a tip for the waiter. After he left, the waiter actually chased 
him several hundered meters down the street and told him "Sir, you 
left your money". My uncle thought that the poor chap might have
considered the tip insufficient and was offended and was probably going
lecture him with a "you can have your money back. I am not a beggar..." 
and that sorta thing. He immediately offered more to the  waiter muttering 
some apologies upon which the waiter said "Sir, In Japan -- No Tipping." 
(though I believe tipping does exist in some of the very classy joints).  

This tipping thing actually makes many customers very uncomfortable.
Its not the amount of money they have to shell out, but the prospect 
of facing that nagging feeling "Was I too stingy while tipping or was 
I stupid to tip him so much?" that makes customers uncomfortable (unless 
you are a seasoned tipper).  If a fixed 15% or 20% is added to the 
bill by the management, it would make a lot of customers more comfortable.
 
regards,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:18:26 GMT

In article <27557@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem) writes:
|> 
|> 	Arre Chodo Yaar.......
	     ^^^^^^

	What the F*** !!! Hey you....mind your language on SCI. This is a 
	pub(l)ic forum and as is expected there are some NET.POLICE rookies
	on patrol 24 hours a day !!! Such ("c****" ???!!) words constitute
	a violation of basic SCI.etiquettes !!! (yaa, right !!!) ;-) ;-)


|> 
|> 	(and if you notice a double entendre in the above statement,
|> 	 trust me, I didn't mean _that_ ................             )


	Ohhhhhhh! I *bet* (my A**) that you "didn't" mean that...you chaaluu
	guy !! ;-) ;-)


|> 
|> 	So they want a mailing list for themselves. Let em have it.

	Suuure, I am getting tired of all this too. Let the womenfolk have
	what they want......they be happy, we be happy :-) Right ?


|> 	What goes of our father, to borrow a Hindi phrase......
|> 
|> 	I, for one, haven't lost anything by not being invited to scores 
|> 	of kitty parties...... what difference does it make??

	Yaaaa! this feminine species is the only one which requires a mailing 
	list, so let 'em have it !!! It don't make no difference to me :)



|> 
|> 	And believe me, if Kali And The Cheerful Avengers are on the list,
|> 	it ain't worth it anyway.........     :-)

	Did I miss something here ? WHo is "Kali and the Cheerful Avengers" ???
	;-) ;-) (boy! are you in trouble or what?)! Actually *none* of the
	guys said it was "worth" it !! They just wanted to tease our womenfolk
	a little bit....you know, fun thing. But those women have become too
	serious, ....



|> 
|> 	If you like, we can start a "men can bitch too" mailing list.

	Naaaaah! we already have one !!....SCI :-) And FYKI, "we" (men)
	don't "bitch".......we B.A.R.K :-)


|> 	Though I wouldn't want to be on it myself...... I happen to bitch 
|> 	just fine on s.c.i.

	ooooops, why don't I read all your sentences before commenting ??
	I wonder !!( hmmmmm!). Let's make SCI a good place to throw our
	garbage in ........ together !!! (Someone said on SCI...."United
	we stand" ??)


|> 
|> 	Prem!


	rAjAt.

|> ================================================================================
|> ====                   I want my damn rib back..........                    ====
|> ================================================================================
From: dos@newt.ee.byu.edu (Soumendra Daas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: For all Khalistanis .....
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:26:27
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Distribution: world
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Originator: dos@newt.ee.byu.edu


This is for Gary Deol all those "Khalistanis" ..

(1) U call yourself a Sikh. I was under the impresssion that
    all sikhs are supposed to have a "Singh" in their name. Where
    is it in your name ? Or are you so ashamed of being a Sikh that
    you dropped the "Singh" ??? Quite obviously, you are not a Sikh.
    
    Since you belive in the creation of a "Sikh Nation" by carving up
    India, it is obvious that U are not an Indian either.

    So, U must be an American Citizen. If that is so, YOU HAVE NO
    BLOODY RIGHT TO COMMENT UPON, OR INTERFERE IN WHAT IS PURELY
    AN INTERNAL MATTER OF THE INDIAN PEOPLE AND THEIR GOVERNMENT.

(2) Why don't all you jokers just get off SCI and create a new
    newsgroup called soc.culture.khalistan. You can post all your
    propaganda there. We ( Indians ) have had enough of the trash
    you have been dishing out.


---- Soumendra Daas

P.S.  Flames don't bother me ....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Subject: HELP!! with CIMA (London)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:50:52 GMT

Howdy!

A request for help, especially if you are in the UK:

My brother is appearing for the ICWA (Institute of
Cost and Works Accountants, India) Final Exam in the
3rd week of December.  He says reviewing the
past question papers of exams conducted by
CIMA (London) helps a lot while preparing for
ICWA.  I tried getting copies of those question papers
from our library, but found that they are not
available--apparently they won't be useful to students here
as the accounting systems in the US and the UK
are different.

A friend of mine suggested calling the institute
in London to find out if they will mail old
exam questions and solutions for a fee.  I have
no idea as to who to call, etc.  This is compounded
by the fact that I might have got the institute's
abbreviations incorrectly.

Any help towards finding the correct name,
address, and telephone number would be deeply
appreciated.

I'd appreciate if you can respond to:  ramli@ele.uri.edu

Thanks a lot.


Regards,

Ramli.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shahdp@rtsg.mot.com (Deepak Shah)
Subject: none
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: n
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:04:44 GMT

This is a test to check its work or not.
From: vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info. on SIPA
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:18:06 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: vemuri@godzilla

I need the information on membership, contact persons and other details
on SIPA ( Silicon Valley Indian Professionals Association ).

Thanks in advance

Sudhakar Vemuri				(415) 926 6501 (O)
1107, Second Ave. # 409			(415) 365 9570 (R)
REDWOOD CITY CA - 94063			vemuri@informix.com
-- 
Sudhakar Vemuri  (vemuri@informix.com)
From: txd6871@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: PHONE WITH ANSWERING M/C FOR INDIA
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:53:23 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Hi Netters,

I am thinking of buying a speaker phone with answering m/c for
India. As per as the phone goes, I understand that there is
no problem for the change in the frequency, except that it
gets heated up slightly. But for the answering m/c, which involves
a motor, do you think that 50 hz, will create problem? Does anybody
has an experience with an answering m/c in India ? 

Also, I heard that there is a connection available from the 
snap-in connector(available with the phones here)to the cable
box available in India. By this we can avoid cutting of the cable 
and separating the two wires for India use. Can anyone please
highlight on that ? Also is there special phones available
for 220V, or it is the same phone that is sold by the american stores.
If it is the same then no point in buying from an Indian store.
American store prices are cheap. Only the adapter has to be bought
for converting the voltage.

Am I right or missing something ? Would like to have some expert advise.

Thanks

TD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajain@sml3.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Subject: Re: Premarital Sex - Is It OK?
Keywords: sex, marriage
Organization: Project Pilgrim, Umass
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.210157.3211@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
|> 
|> Just do it!

	NIKE !!!!

|> 
|> 
|> Rakesh Patel
|> 
	
    rAjAt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Authors Writing About The Indian-American Experience.
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:07:19 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Books and the Indian-American experience
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: California State University, Chico
Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov24.003826.14111@chpc.utexas.edu> byab314@chpc.utexas.edu (Srinivas Bettadpur) writes:
>
>While we are on Indian writers, a slightly tangential note:
>
>How many Indian writers can you count who write just for the pleasure
>of telling a tale or playing with words ?  I read novels by Indians in
>English and Hindi, and they fall (as with all books) into three
>categories :  (i)  Heavy duty (lots of social commentary, very 
>observant, and depressing like hell); (ii) Junk (OK, but wears off 
>after a while); and (iii) Just plain fun.  
>
>  Almost everyone who is regarded as "good" writes heavy duty stuff
>almost without exception, and this is particularly true of Hindi 
>writers.  Junk books are the most numerous (who hasn't read Inspector
>Azaad, or its cousins), but there seems to be a strange lack of books 
>that are just plain fun to read (don't count RKN or KS).  In Hindi the 
>humor is to be found, virtually without exception, in poetry.
>
>                                                    Srinivas

You hit the nail right on the head. Quite a few times, you have the 
type of authors like Usha Helweg, and Ved Mehta, both siblings, who
are extremely good but write stuff that is exactly of the same type
you have mentioned in (i). Also they are too often crtical of India
and its attitudes and milieu,  most of which is unjustified, and is
often bordering on stuff that would do a Nirad Chaudhri proud.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
From: mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SINCERE APOLOGY TO SCI READERS
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:43:59 GMT
Organization: Woopie Tech
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Originator: mick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU


venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (ABDUL PETER IYENGAR) writes:
:-
:-IF you could translate the last portion of your posting into
:-LATIN it could very well pass off for Milton's  AREOPAGITICA.
:-

	milton and latin??? this is news to me!

	- ravi


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