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From: shawn@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: "Hunting" rules
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:42:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <VADER.92Sep4004306@meryl.csd.uu.se> 
vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
>Here in Sweden, bowhunting is illegal, the argument being that
>animals suffer more from an arrow (that kills them by causing
>internal bleeding) than from a bullet (which knocks them uncon-
>scious immediately by hydrostatic shock).

 This point is debatable, but I'd probably prefer to carry it to
 rec.hunting in order to discuss it in a non-political forum.  I will
 say this, your point is well taken.

>
>Swedish bowhunters go to Finland and Denmark to hunt.
>
 
 Sounds like a great trip.  Wish I could afford it.

>Anyway, the most popular type of archery competition here is
>the "hunting round" which usually consists of 2 x 15 targets
>in the shape of animals. The targets do not move. They vary in
>size from a medium-sized bird to a life-size moose. The archers
>do not know the distances. Three arrows may be shot at each
>target:

 I not familiar with IBO rules concerning this, but it sounds like
 you all have some very fun tournaments.  Generally, the tournaments
 in Texas that I've attended were not IBO sanctioned (if there is 
 such a thing) and will vary greatly in their formats.  Usually, there
 are twenty to thirty eight targets, which are shot from varying unmarked
 distances.  One shot only.

>Only one arrow is counted.

>
>Is there anything like this outside Europe?

 All over the U.S.  My participation has waned recently in favor of spending
 more time practicing and actually hunting.  Most of our tournaments in Texas
 are done in the Summer, and lately I've taken up other Summer passtimes 
 which take up all my time.  I do remember having a lot of fun on these shoots
 though.  They really are great fun, and very popular here in the U.S.
 
 Shawn Boyd
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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Spiral Flu - Flu's and bird hunting
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:48:53 GMT

	My brother, my friend Bob and I have gotten into using Judo
blunts and our bows to do some pre-season varmint/small game hunting
(woodchuck, opposum, skunk, etc. are among some of the animals in our
state with no closed season.)  We have not had much luck, as the areas
we are hunting are mostly county parks and private land we are not too
familiar with (seems the state found it in their wisdom to close state
recreation areas off to any kind of hunting outside of the start of
small game to the end of spring rabbit so even though varmint is open,
you are not allowed to participate on state owned land)

	In the process of doing my running around scoping out new land,
I have been doing some blunt hunting / scouting in a recently renovated
county park just up the road from our house.  Seems that that county
finally decided to turn a large plot of land (frequented by hunters and
fishermen of all types) that had been donated some time ago in an ex-hunter's
will, into a new county park.  In the process, they fenced it off, and
declared it closed to all hunting and fishing.
	Well, one of the hunters that has been using the land since the
former owner still walked the earth (with permission from said) did a
little researh (as he was a lawyer by trade) and discovered that there
was in fact a stipulation in the will that stated the land may never
be closed to hunting.
	The township then pulled out an ordinance which forbid use of
firearms close to domestic areas (and a few other stipulations about
public use land, as this area is just as close to houses and another
state area is which is just accrossed the road) and thus settled on
allowing bow hunting while forbidding the use of firearms.

	As a result, the publicity from the fight has brought in a lot of
bow hunters.  Well, anyway, the only time that I had ever hunted in the
area (prior to the county take-over) was to pheasant hunt, so I have
begun dusting off the old recurve and made up some wooden blunts and some
spiral fletch flu flu arrows to try out some hunting there this fall.

	I was wondering if anyone else has had any experience or luck with
this type of hunting?  I have just recently started goofing around with the
set-up and I plan on going out again later this afternoon (would have gone
out this morning, but on my way there, I checked out another private plot
of land, and got my car stuck on the two rutter I was traveling - took
me an hour to dig out)

swood

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Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request
Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:24:46 GMT
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From: M.Frith@appsci.utas.edu.au
Subject: RE-Compound Problem
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:48:17 GMT

I have just read the latest article on this tuning problem dropping the
poundage on the bow would cause less bounce on the Barner could be your
problem. The higher poundage would bounce the barner. 
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Subject: Re: "Hunting" rules
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:40:28 GMT

You ask whether bowhunting may become legal in European countries
where it is now not legal. There is a lobby group for this in Sweden,
but the resistance is very stiff, coming mostly from rifle hunters.

There are some bowhunters in this world who really mess things up
for us, e.g. the yoyos who shoot deer with 30# longbows that
hardly even penetrate the skin... videos of these things have been
shown here, as an argument against bowhunting.

The shoot you describe where hunters can even use their broadheads
at targets sounds wonderful. It is clearly different to shoot
broadheads than target arrows. With current prices in Europe,
few clubs can afford 3D targets and such. 

All archery equipment costs double here to the US prices.

]ke
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Subject: Re: Arrow materials
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:55:05 GMT

In article <43732@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan) writes:
>In article <VADER.92Sep10203413@meryl.csd.uu.se>, vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
>> Paul Crowley asks about arrow materials.
>>
>> Paul, I think you should go to some shop that sells archery
>> equipment and ask for an Easton catalogue, and possibly a
>> Beman catalogue. These are the two biggest manufacturers,
>> and their catalogues contain lots of tables with info about
>> their arrows.
>
>By chance, I was at a kite festival last week, and I had a look at the carbon
>tubes which some of the manufacturers were using for frames; they turned out
>to be AFC .2200 tubing, probably exactly the same sort used to make AFC Exacta
>and Max-5 arrows out of. It gave me an idea what to do with my broken ACEs ---
>the ultimate in performance kite frames?
>
>a.
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Actually theyt are virtually exactly the same as the material used in making
arrows. In fact I use the cut-off sections from arrows when they are shortened
for joints and spars in small fighting kites and stunt kites from time to
time. I am a relative novice at such endevors, but got the idea from a pro
kite maker that raids the dead arrow barrel and the cut-offs bin at the shop
I frequent. He uses mostly aluminum though, probably due to the supply.










Dan Perreault
dasaxe@u.washington.edu
From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: RE-Compound Problem
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:37:50
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
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In-reply-to: M.Frith@appsci.utas.edu.au's message of Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:48:17 GMT

Thanks for your hints! This is something I never even considered;
the Barner rest bouncing back. There is a rubber cushion beneath
it which dampens the movement. Will explore this with some putty...
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: newcomb@pops.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Traditional Archery, anyone?
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Keywords: traditional crossbow SCA
Reply-To: newcomb@navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Organization: Naval Oceanographic Office
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:11:44 GMT

I am checking this group mostly as a surrogate for a friend who is very
much involved in traditional (ancient) archery. He is mostly interested
in crossbows but also dabbles in longbows and composites.

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Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: stanjm02@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: "Hunting" rules
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:56:06 GMT

The Australian Bowhunters Association (ABA) is the body incharged representing 
bowhunters interest in Australia. A standard field course is one with 20
animal targets of unmarked distances. Archers go through the course 
shooting up to 3 arrows. The first arrow to hit the target scores. After
the first round, Archers go through the same course shooting only one arrow
and that arrow scores. The score system for both rounds are
1st arrow kill   20 points
1st arrow wound  18 points
1st arrow injure 16
2nd arrow kill   14
2nd arrow wound  12
2nd arrow injure 10
3rd arrow kill    8
3rd arrow wound   6
3rd arrow injure  4

I think the situation here is slightly different in that many animals here
are not native e.g. foxes, goats, rabbits etc. Because they were introduced
here in Australia, they have become vermint. Farmers are only too happy
to let bowhunters on their property to have a go, provided they respect
the property itself. Furthermore, bows are safer when compared to guns
as well as being a lot quiter. In that respect I have no problem with
bowhunting though I must admit to not having done it myself.
From: ajcd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Angus Duggan)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Arrow materials
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:25:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.archery
Organization: Edinburgh University Fried Brain Carry-out

In article <VADER.92Sep10203413@meryl.csd.uu.se>, vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
> Paul Crowley asks about arrow materials.
> 
> Paul, I think you should go to some shop that sells archery
> equipment and ask for an Easton catalogue, and possibly a
> Beman catalogue. These are the two biggest manufacturers,
> and their catalogues contain lots of tables with info about
> their arrows.

By chance, I was at a kite festival last week, and I had a look at the carbon
tubes which some of the manufacturers were using for frames; they turned out
to be AFC .2200 tubing, probably exactly the same sort used to make AFC Exacta
and Max-5 arrows out of. It gave me an idea what to do with my broken ACEs ---
the ultimate in performance kite frames?

a.
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Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: M.Frith@appsci.utas.edu.au
Subject: Re: compound problem
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.072823.18650@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>
M.Frith@appsci.utas.edu.au writes:
>In article <VADER.92Sep4003541@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke
>Eldberg) writes:
>> > 
>>Will post the results as the search for a solution continues!
>>
>>Ake Eldberg
>>Uppsala, Sweden
>>
>>
>Have you checked the pulleys at each end to ensure that they are running
>perpendicular through the full turn of the release. Sometimes they twist to
one
>side causing your problem to occur.
>I haven't read all your articles but I assume you are using a cable guard.
>Do the cables run smoothly over this ?. Personally I would go for a pulley
>movement problem.
>With the Barner rests sometimes on release the barner wire bounces off the
down position and catches the nock as the arrow passes. Solution is to put a
small dob of play-dough(Blu-Tack) or similar substance under the position the
wire hits the handle.
>
>Murray Frith
>Tasmania.
>


Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Subject: Re: take down arrows?
Reply-To: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:52:48 GMT


While I was working on a patent search I ran across a patent titled
`Telescoping Arrow'. That's all I know about it right now, but I'm
going to look up the abstract next time I'm at the library.

Carl

When I stop learning, bury me.
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: badger@wixer.cactus.org (Badger)
Subject: Re: Traditional Archery, anyone?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:51:51 GMT

Scott Wood : Are you talking about Orange Osage?  Very Nice bow wood.

	No, I don't make my own shafts, I buy them. I also use "store bought"
points if I'm making a set of arrows I expect to hit things consistantly 
with.  I have a friend who makes handmade points, but the process to date
hasn't been able to make a set of points that weigh the same. We use self,
or bone nocked shafts, fletched with goose feathers. The fletchings and nocks
are cemented with duco, and bound to the shaft with silk thread.  With care 
you can make a well matched set of arrows, and they look great.

	To get fletching material, we travel down to the gulf coast when
goose season starts... there are shacks beside the road where people clean
geese for the hunters... normally, they chop the wings off and toss them in 
the can with the guts... but, if you ask them nicely, and offer then a six
pack or two of a nice cold beer, they will toss the wings into a pile of
there own and save 'em to be picked up later.  It's amaxing how many
feathers you can collect this way.


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Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Re: Traditional Archery, anyone?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:25:30 GMT

I am in the process of trying to salvage a fallen georgian orange (is that the
right name?  I know I have the right tree anyway) to make a couple of long
bows out of.  I don't think I will do the same with my arrows, as I would
presume that making cedar dowels would be quite a task.  However, the idea
of home-made goose feather arrows sounds interesting.

swood

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From: z_hansonde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject:     BOWFISHING NEWS?
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:05:46 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Has anyone been bowfishing lately?  We have been shooting some big uns here
in East Texas.W/B- E-Mail-Questions,Comments or stories.


               AIM LOW!

                                     David Hanson-TBA member

Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: utiger@iat.holonet.net (Tom Utiger)
Subject: Kyudo supplies
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:38:23 GMT

I am in need of  supplies for japanese archery.  I am
looking for supplies in North America or a mail order place
in Japan.  I am only aware of Shibata Kanjiro's dojo in 
Boulder, CO, but they are often  low on supplies.

Tom Utiger
(510) 654-9647 voice
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Traditional Archery, anyone?
From: mtopliff@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:53:34 -0700

In article <1992Sep13.171958.1344@wixer.cactus.org>, badger@wixer.cactus.org (Badger) writes:
> 	Does anyone out there do traditional archery?  I've just started  
> Fletching, and am pcyching up to attack a srick of ash with sharp implements and hack away everything that doesn't look like a longbow...
> -- 
The reference "Making Indian Bows and Arrows, The Old Way"
by Douglas Wallentinge
Eagle's View Publishing Co
6756 N. Fork Road
Liberty, Utah 84310

is most useful.
From: akarpowicz@mta.ca (Adam Karpowicz)
Subject: Re: Kyudo supplies
Reply-To: akarpowicz@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:52:57 GMT

In article <BuA9o0.2K2@iat.holonet.net>, utiger@iat.holonet.net (Tom Utiger) writes:
>I am in need of  supplies for japanese archery.  I am
>looking for supplies in North America or a mail order place
>in Japan.  I am only aware of Shibata Kanjiro's dojo in 
>Boulder, CO, but they are often  low on supplies.
>
>Tom Utiger
>(510) 654-9647 voice

Try  Yumi, 94 Mill Street East, Milverton, Ontario, N0K 1M0, Canada
Tel.: (519) 595-8791

Adam
From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Arrow materials
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:34:13
Organization: University of Uppsala, Sweden
NNTP-Posting-Host: meryl.csd.uu.se
In-reply-to: puc@aber.ac.uk's message of 10 Sep 92 10:17:46 GMT

Paul Crowley asks about arrow materials.

Paul, I think you should go to some shop that sells archery
equipment and ask for an Easton catalogue, and possibly a
Beman catalogue. These are the two biggest manufacturers,
and their catalogues contain lots of tables with info about
their arrows. All the technical data you want is there; there
are a _lot_ of different arrow types, diameters, stiffnesses &c, 
so there are also a lot of numbers, and posting such here seems
like a pretty awesome task.

All decent archery shops will have at least the Easton catalogue.

]ke
From: lee@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Darrell Lee [MDSSC])
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Coaching Target Archery in Houston
Date: 10 Sep 1992 14:01:18 GMT
Organization: Software Technology Lab - NASA/Johnson Space Center

Does anyone out there know of a person or organization that I could contact in the Houston, Texas area to receive lessons/coaching instructions. I have many years experience in bowhunting, but I know only enough about target archery to know that I don't know anything. Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: take down arrows?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:35:41 GMT

I was just goofing around with my take down recurve today, and
thought, "Why are there no take down arrows?"  I made a new case
for the recurve to go in, and the arrows are too long to go in
any kind of small case with the bow.

I am still toying with ideas on wood take-downs, but I think I
will try to case down some materials for aluminum take downs in
the next few days.  Anyone ever try anything like this?

swood

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:11:43 EDT
From: <RJF120@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: DOES ANYBODY SHOOT PROLINE?

IF ANYBODY USES A PROLINE BOW, NO MATTER HOW OLD, PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW YOU
LIKE IT.
                           RJF120
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: "Hunting" rules
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:45:08
	<1992Sep8.094832@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de>
In-reply-to: melin@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de's message of Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:48:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.094832@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de> melin@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de (Stephan Melin) writes:

   For germany I haven't heard or read that bowhunting might be legalized.

   The following is my personal opinion:
   But for this our legislation has to recognize a bow as a proper weapon.
   Because our governmental nuts believe that everyone who has access to a 
   weapon is a potential assasin who will start shooting people someday, 
   access to arms (even for sports) is severly restricted (some  
   politicians even want to ban these arms). Thus recognizing a bow as a
   proper weapon for hunting, will eventually make even target archery next
   to impossible, because then one would have to get a special permit to
   posses a bow, buy a new one and to shoot one... 
   So IMHO I hope that bowhunting will not be legalized, because I like 
   archery too much...

Thanks for your input.  I am truely sorry you have to worry about such
things. 

tim
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