From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: History For Sale / Argic Syndrome
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:12:46 GMT

In <1992Nov12.152021.25847@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.085902.4420@leland.Stanford.EDU> georglin@leland.
>Stanford.EDU (george lin) expressed his dismay regarding the existence of
>Serder Argic:

>[gl] Senar Argic is a third-rate coprophage.  I do the Senar Argic.  Kiss my
>[gl] Senar Argic!  Hasan B. Mutlu and Senar Argic are fiftieth-rate.  Who is
>[gl] the Senar Argic who believes in vasarnap, szombat, hetfo, and csutortok?

>No real need to worry, Mr. Lin, without servants of Turkish fascism is our
>midst, how could we respond to the following request in as typified in
>article <visser.721500408@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) 
>who noted quite accurately:

>[LV] Presenting the 1992 edition of "scholars for sale".  Yes you
>[LV] too can buy the historical arguement of your choice for a rather
>[LV] small amount of money.  No line of arguement too disagreeable, 
>[LV] just deliver the cash and we will provide any material you wish.

>The particular revision and fascist servant responded to in this case was 
><9211062056@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) who provided the 
>following list of "scholars" used as references by those who re-write history:

>[(*]   .
>[(*]   .
>[(*]   .

>[(*] J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
>[(*] the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.

>[(*] Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
>[(*] Princeton University.

>[(*] Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
>[(*] the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.

>[(*] Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.

>[(*] Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
>[(*] Los Angeles.

>[(*] Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
>[(*] Institute, University of Pennsylvania.

>[(*] Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
>[(*] University of Illinois.

>[(*] Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.

>[(*] Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
>[(*] Science, City University Graduate School, New York.

>[(*] John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, 
>[(*] University of Chicago.

>[(*] John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
>[(*] California at Berkeley.

>[(*] Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.

>[(*] Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.

>[(*] Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
>[(*] at Los Angeles.

>[(*] Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.

>[(*] Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.

>[(*] Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.

>[(*] Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.

>[(*] Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

>[(*] Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.

>[(*] Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.

>[(*] Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).

>[(*] Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.

>[(*] Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.

>[(*] James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.

>[(*] .......so the list goes on and on and on.....

>[(*] Now, where is your list, "wieneramus"?

>[LV]	Now where is your list which states how much each of the "professors"
>[LV] above is receiving from Turkish sources.

>	-------------------------------------------------
>	-	List of Turkish-paid "Historians"       -
>	-------------------------------------------------

>The following is an expose' of those 69 American "academicians" or "scholars"
>or "professors" . As for their fair and non-bias opinion, let the record 
>speak for itself:

>ITS, stands for the Turkish Studies Institute, in Washington D.C., honorary
>chairman, the Turkish Ambassador to the U.S.. The Institute's purpose is to 
>counter Armenian activity at the "academic level" and as a pro-Turkey lobbying
>group.

>ARIT, stands for the American Research Institute in Turkey.

>The number in ( ) stands for the number of monetary grants by either ITS, or
>ARIT to the "scholar", and the items between [  ] indicate the total number
>of grants to the rest of the College or University the "scholars" are
>affiliated with.


>SCHOLAR			AFFILIATION		DIRECT CONNECTION W/TURKEY
>						(or area of scholarship)
>----------------------------+------------------+---------------------------
>	
>Abu El Haj, Rifaat	Cal. St. Univ, Long Beach	ITS(1)
>Atis, Sara		Univ. of Wisc @ Madison		ITS(1), [ITS(8)]
>Barbir, Karl K.		Siena Coll. (NY)		Arab-Ottoman Studies
>Basgoz,Ilhan		Indiana Univ.			ITS(3), ARIT(2), 
>							[ITS(8)] 
>Bates, Daniel		Hunter Coll., Univ of NY	[ITS(1)]
>Bates, Ulku		Hunter Coll., Univ of NY	ARIT(1), [ITS(1)]
>Bayerle, Gustav		Indiana Univ.			ARIT(1), [ITS(8)]
>Bodrogligetti, Andras	UCLA				ITS(1), [ITS(4)]
>Burrill, Kathleen	Columbia University		ITS(8), ARIT(1),
>							[ITS(9)]
>Childs, Timothy		SAIS, John Hopkins Univ.	19th-20th century
>							Ottoman history
>Daulet, Shafiga		Univ. of Conn.			[ITS(4)]
>Davison, Roderic	Geo. Wash. Univ.		ARIT(1)
>Denny, Walter		Univ. of Mass.			ARIT(1)
>Duben, Alan						Anthropoliogist
>Ervin, Ellen		N.Y. Univ.			ITS(1), [ITS(6)]
>Farah, Caesar		Univ. of Minn.			ITS(1)
>Findley, Carter		Ohio State. Univ.		ITS(2), ARIT(1),
>							[ITS(3)]
>Finefrock, Michael	Coll. of Charleston		20th century Turkish
>							history
>Fisher, Alan		Mich. State Univ.		ARIT(1), [ITS(1)]
>Fleischer, Cornell	Wash. Univ, Misssouri		16th-17th century 
>							Ottoman history
>Golden, Peter		Rutgers Univ.			
>Goodrich, Tom		Indiana Univ of Penn.		16th century Ottoman
>							history
>Gould, Andres						Historian
>Griswald, Willaim	Colo. State Univ.		ARIT(1)
>Halasi-Kun, Tibor	Columbia Univ.			ITS(3), [ITS(10)]
>Hickman, William	UCAL, Berkeley			ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
>Hurewitz, J.C.		Columbia Univ (ret)		ITS(10)
>Hymes, John		Glenville State Col., W. Va.	19th-20th Century
>							Ottoman history
>Inalcik, Halil		Univ. of Chicago		ITS(1), [ARIT(9)]
>Jaeckel, Ralph		UCLA				[ITS(4)]
>Jennings, Ronald	Univ. of Illinois		ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
>Kelly, James		Univ. of Utah			ITS(2), ARIT(1),
>							[ITS(5)]
>Key, Kerim		Southeastern Univ.		19th-20th Century
>							Ottoman history
>Kunt, Metin						Ottoman history
>Latimer, Frederick	Univ. of Utah (ret.)		Ottoman history
>Levy, Avigdor		Brandies Univ.		 	ARIT(1), [ITS(7)]
>Lewis, Bernard		Princeton Univ.			[ITS(3)]
>Lowry, Heath		Inst. of Turkish Studies	ARIT(2)
>McCarthy, Justin	Univ of Lowisville		ITS(1), ARIT(1)
>Mandaville, Jon		Portland State Univ.		ARIT(1), [ITS(2)]
>Meeker, Michael		UCAL San Diego			Turkish studies
>Murphy, Rhodes		Columbia Univ.			ITS(1), ARIT(1),
>							[[ITS(10)]
>Naff, Thomas		Univ. of Penn.			[ITS(9)]
>Oberling, Pierre	Hunter Coll., Univ of NY	ITS(1), [ITS(1)]
>Ochsenwald, William	Va. Polytech Inst.		ARIT(1)
>Olson, Robert		Univ. of Kentucky		18th-20th century
>							Turkish history
>Peachy, William		Ohio State University		ARIT(2)
>Quataert, Sonald	Univ of Huston			ITS(2), ARIT(1),
>							[ITS(2)]
>Reed, Howard		Univ. of Conn.			ITS(1), [ITS(5)]
>Rustow, Dankart		City Univ of NY			ITS(1)
>Shaw, Ezel Kural	Cal. State Univ, Nothridge	19th century Ottoman
>							history
>Shaw, Stanford		UCLA				ITS(1), ARIT(2),
>							[ITS(4)]
>Smith, Elaine		Foreign Service (ret.)		Modern Turkey
>Smith, Grace		UCAL, Berkeley			ITS(1), ARIT(1),
>							[ITS(3)]
>Smith, John Masson	UCAL, Berkeley			ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
>Soucek, Svat						ARIT(1)
>Staab, Robert		Univ. of Utah			[ITS(5)]
>Starr, June		SUNY Stoneybrook		Anthropologist
>Stewart-Robinson, James	Univ. of Mich.			[ITS(3)]
>Stoddard, Phllip	Middle East Institute, (Dir.)	ITS(3)
>Tachau, Frank		Univ. of Illinois		ITS(1), ARIT(2),
>							[ITS(3)]
>Tamkoc, Metin		Texas Tech			[ITS(1)]
>Thomas, David		RI College			ARIT(2)
>Yenzke, M.L.		Dickinson College		ARIT(1)
>Walker, Warren		Texas Tech			[ITS(1)]
>Webster, Walter		Rutgers Univ.			1930's Turkish History
>Woods, John		Univ. of Chicago		[ITS(9)]
>Zilfi, Madeline		Univ of Maryland		ARIT(2)

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>			sources for the above chart: Middle East Studies
>			Association Bulletins, Directory of American Scholars,
>			and the Ottoman Studies Directory.


>Next, let us examine the background of these 69 - "the majority of American 
>academic experts on the late Ottoman history". 

>All of the signatories of the ad have at some time studied, taught or written 
>about some aspects of Turkey -- history, anthropology, linguistics, literature,
>political science, or folklore.

>But an analysis of their areas of expertise reveals a striking fact: 
>of the 69 signatories, only 8 are concerned solely with the 20th Century, the 
>period encompassing the Armenian genocide. Another 10 are scholars of the 19th
>and 20th Century. Put together, only 26% of the signatories are scholars on 
>the broad subject of pre-republican Turkish history during the 19th and 20th 
>Centuries.

>Closer analysis reveals that only 4 of the 18 scholars of the 19th and 20th 
>Century history have dealt with the specific topic and period of history in 
>question, i.e. Turkish Ottoman policy towards the Armenians during and before 
>WW1.  These four are Philip Stoddard, Justin McCarthy, Ezel Kural Shaw and her
>husband, Stanford Shaw.

>Of the remaining 14 scholars of the 190th and 20th Century Turkish history, 
>nine have dealt with the issues peripheral to the Armenian theme, and five 
>with topics irrelevant to Armenian issues. One example is Heath Lowry, the 
>current director of the Institute of Turkish Studies in Washington, D.C. 
>(run by the Turkish government). His area of expertise is the 16th Century 
>Ottoman Empire.

>A significant number of the "scholars" have received fellowships and/or grants
>from pro-Turkish organizations to conduct their research. In all, 40 of the 
>"scholars" who signed the ad received a total of 65 grants from these two 
>organizations. In addition, departments or universities with which those 40 
>scholars are affiliated have received more than 170 grants from pro-Turkish 
>institutions.
> 
>After the publication of the "ad", the signatories were written to determine 
>their personal views on the Turkish genocide of the Armenians. Eleven of them 
>responded and made the following points:


>*  All 11 signatories agreed that archives everywhere, especially in Turkey, 
>   should be opened to all scholars.

>*  Some objected to the U.S. Congress singling out the Armenians as an example
>   of man's inhumanity to man, while ignoring the plight of the Blacks and 
>   Indians.
> 
>*  One raised the concern of a damaged NATO alliance and possible disruption 
>   in the U.S.-Turkish relations.

>*  One expressed displeasure that the ad had been reprinted without his 
>   permission.

>*  One decried blaming today's Turkey for "what happened 70 years ago," 
>   but another noted that the Turkish public has not addressed the 
>  "victimization of the Armenians."
>	
>		- - - End: List of Liars - - -

>-- 
>David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org "It has been ever thus in all things, son, 
>SDPA Center for Regional Studies    Whatever we thrash we give to the wind, 
>P.O. Box 382761                     We too have been blown by the world's wind
>Cambridge, MA 02238                 The chaff is gone but the grain remains." 

Amen to that. Though my area of interest is Soviet foreign policy, it
is good to see liars and disseminators of propaganda in any field
exposed. Furthermore, it was becoming quite annoying to see most of
the items in this group (as well as alt.politics.soviet) having
"Argic" as the source.
          As to the events in question, no amount of revisionism and
falsehoods can cover up the genocidal policies of the Turks toward the
Armenians, not to mention the Balkan peoples in the preceeding
century. Argic, leave us alone and publicize the Turkish line
elsewhere. 
                                                  Vladimir








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