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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surf Reports
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.surfing, muettert@husc10.harvard.edu (Mark Muetterties) writes:
>Well I've got some vacation time to spend so I hope to get as many
>start to drop (or else I go further in debt and buy a 5 mil <- any
>suggestions?).

I swear by O'neil suits, I've never had rash prob's with 'em as I had
with my Rash Curl, Rip Curl suits.

>
>A couple of other questions:
>        Aierals:  What type of board bags are the best?

>        Surfing the Beltway:  I'm going to Washington soon for a conference
>                and was wondering about surf spots near there and how long
>                a drive it would be.

The closest surfing to Washington is about 2 1/2 hrs away. Give me the
word when you are going to be in town. Maybe I can give you a surf tour
of the DelMarVa coast.

 O    Brian Kiviat   aka. kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Calling all surf videos
From: muettert@husc10.harvard.edu (Mark Muetterties)
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:07:50 EDT
Distribution: alt.surfing 
Organization: Harvard University Chemistry Department 
Keywords: 5 Summer Stories
Summary: Where can I find ...


	The recent discussion of Point Break (which I haven't seen)
and other surf movies brought back memories of surf flicks I used to
go to in the early eighties back in Santa Cruz.  I never saw 5 Summer
Stories, but heard this one was excellent.  I would be interested in
other surfers' favorite movies AND possible ways of getting a hold of
them - especially in areas where the video stores only stock Endless
Summer (which is great, I saw it when it first came out as a kid, had
the original soundtrack on LP with motorcycles and all, but have seen
countless times), Point Break (which I'm not in rush to see), Big 
Wednesday (which was a good movie, but not much surfing), and that other
flick that I forget the name but stars a midwestern artist who of
course learns to surf in a few weeks only to get cheated out of the
Pipeline championship (yeah, right), along with incredibly sappy scenes.  
	What I'm looking for are movies that are 95% surfing and another
5% surfing.  Like the movies with Mark Richards sharing an overhead 
right with another surfer whom I forget, but they were carving circles
around each other on an unforgetable wave (ca. 1981?, I think Steel 
Breeze was on the soundtrack).

	Anyhow, recommendations are great, but sources are everything.
Thanks in advance.

					Mark Muetterties
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Report-Cardiff to SIO
Keywords: SMALL\
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:40:54 GMT

Subject: Wave Report
I rode the bus down the coast today.
Small, 1-3 foot faces at Cardiff, but two guys
out at Seaside, so maybe bigger sets.
Missed rivermouth at Del Mar, but
15th St looked like it might have been fun.
Torrey pines was smaller than Cardiff, but at
that size there isn't much difference.
SIO looks a little better.  Fun waves, short periods,
must be a local wind swell.
Waters been warm, 70 degrees F, or so, but supposedly
cooling down yesterday.
AT 9:00 conditions are smooth and glassy with hazy sky.
Sun is starting to poke through and the on shore is
starting to pick up.

I like Nigel am anything but a conformist so here's my
wave report in my own style.

tod

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Tod Critchlow(tcritchl@ucsd.edu)      |  What the Hell is a
Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   |
From: u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au (Nigel Brendon Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Report by Me.
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:30:41 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia




Date: Yesterday.
Time:	After I got out of bed.
Area:	Easties.	
Weather:Good
Winds: N-NE (On-shore)
Air temp: Warm
Water temp: Cold
Surf: Chest to Head High.

Forecast:
Someone told me the swell may pick up but I don't believ him really.
Comments:
I stopped using the above format first I think (am I a trend-setter??),
as I got bored with the regimented way of reporting.
I mean how often does someone tell you all the above truthfully and
detailed like when you ask them ???
I just prefer a bit of a verbal description.
But I'll go along with whatever is sugguested maybe... Not.

Bye,
Nigel... :-)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer)
Subject: Re: irc times.
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.001848.315@cs.uow.edu.au> u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au  
(Nigel Brendon Robinson) writes:

> They are in Austrlian East Coast times...
> For 16/8/92+6days.
> Monday... 8:30 am- 11:30pm, 12:30-1:30pm,8:30pm to 10:00pm
> Tuesday... 12:30 pm-5:30pm(maybe 6:30pm)
> Wednesday...all day except 10:30am-11:30am.
> Thursday...I think I'm in Sydney all day,this week.
> If not all day but not 3:30pm-4:30pm.
> Friday...all day except 8:30-10:30 am.
> 
> Saturday and Sunday are both available as well if need be.
> 
> Try and allow at least half an hour talk time.

I'm available from 9am to 5-6pm U.S Pacific (3am to 11am-Noon Aus. East)  
pretty much every day.  Anyone else?...

Robert


P.S.  Just to simplify things...
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Time(Aus. east)	Time(U.S. pacific)
----------------------------------
Midnight	6am	
1am		7am (previous day)
2am		8am (previous day)
3am		9am (previous day)
4am		10am (previous day)
5am		11am (previous day)
6am		Noon (previous day)
7am		1pm (previous day)
8am		2pm (previous day)
9am		3pm (previous day)
10am		4pm (previous day)
11am		5pm (previous day)
Noon		6pm (previous day)
1pm		7pm (previous day)
2pm		8pm (previous day)
3pm		9pm (previous day)
4pm		10pm (previous day)
5pm		11pm (previous day)
6pm		Midnight
7pm		1am (same day)
8pm		2am (same day)
9pm		3am (same day)
10pm		4am (same day)
11pm		5am (same day)
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Callin' all Zen Surf Masters
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:43:45 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.surfing, kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
>About a month ago I rented "Point Break" and ever since I can't get surfing
>out of my head.  When I stumbled on this group I lurked for a while and

Point Break is not what the majority of surfers are about. The aggression
and violence is an LA thing (no offense intended).

>Is surfing truly different from other sports?  Is there Something More to it
>than just paddlin' out into the surf and ridin' back in?

It is different because you are playing on a different field every moment.
As the tides, wind, swell, etc. change, each wave is different from the
last. No two are alike. Also, you are not playing on a man made field.
You are working with what nature gives you and making the best of it.
It is a very personal thing. You may be out there in the crowd, but
when you are on the wave slicing through the clean open face, you are
alone.
>
>Bottom line.  How does surfing affect the inner man?  Or does it at all?

If ya don't know, I can't tell ya.

   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
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From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: LA Surfers
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:20:19 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <2549@news.cerf.net> mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
>
>Croyde always was a good place to find some of the floating brown stuff,
>as I remember.
>

Yeah, that's what I've heard as well.  Yesterday at Croyde, the water was 
brown and disgusting.  I've gotten a hepatitis inoclulation, because I've read
and heard about so many surfers getting that nasty disease from the dirty water
here in Britian.

Chris
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Need Small Soft Board
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:24:26 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

The subject heading says it all!  My grandson (7 years old) has been Boogie
boarding for a couple of years and can even stand up on it. I would like to get
him a surf board but don't want to get a glass one because I think he could get
hurt too easily.

So what I need is a real small 'soft' board. Anyone know where I caould find one?

Jim Munro
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Storm Updates and other Weather Stuff
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:48:46 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I posted a question on the meteorology newsgroup asking about a source
of hurricane info. I recieved a reply from a guy named Scott Lindstrom
explaining how to acces an on line weather update setup. It is menu
driven and has all sorts of weather info. The Hurricane menu has forecasts
and updates for the Atlantic/Pacific/Indian etc.  This resource seems
to be pretty cool. To access, you telnet to:

	     downwind.sprl.umich.edu 3000

I'm heading to the beach tomorrow I'm hoping hurricane Andrew and the
stalled low pressure system over the Atlantic are kind to me.
Surf report on monday.....

   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: hinojosa@nado.hp.com (Daniel Hinojosa)
Subject: Re: Andrew is on the WAY (Hurricane #1)
Organization: Hewlett Packard - N.A.D.O. Santa Clara, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:11:59 GMT

In article <23757@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
> but if we are good little surfers, maybe the surf gods will send him
> our way.

QUICK!!! Go buy a case of Mr.Zoggs SEX wax and throw it into the sea! The
only true proven method to appease the surf gods!


.disclamer: i have no interest or stock in either mr.zoggs or docs pro plugs...


-- 
       daniel hinojosa. email -=> hinojosa@nado.hp.com | Santa Clara, CA
   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    Jesus Saves!... But Gretzky gets the rebound. He Shoots. He SCOOORES!!!
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: East Coast (USA) surf report
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

There has been a stationary front sitting over the coast for a few days
and I assume it brought a good swell. I am trying NOT to find out
as I cannot get out of work this week. If it is real good I'd be pissed
that I couldn't be there.....I bet yesterday was prime....The perils of
leading a working man's life and its responsibilities....Why didn't I
surf when I was an irresponsible student.....Gotta get to work...........
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Subject: Re: LA Surfers
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:03:30 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.174613.19303@tfs.com>, tab@tfs.com writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.195054.2435@nic.csu.net> mtemple@calstatela.edu writes:
> > [.. stuff deleted ..]
> >         stay wet 
> >                         mark temple
> >
> 
>  [.. stuff deleted ..]
> Your sign off "stay wet" reminds me of a personalized licence plate
> I wanted to get 4evrWet.... appropriate for me since I've spent most
> of me life in pools all over the world, and lately, in oceans. But,
> being female, I figured someone would interpret it wrong. So, I chickened out.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	-T

    probably only half the population.

Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: s1139457@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (ERLS (Erland Briggs))
Subject: surfing on TV
Followup-To: alt.surfing
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:05:19 GMT

Yo guys/gals,
        I've been watching this group closely this week but no body has posted
        anything about some surfing I saw on TV on the weekend.

        It happened on Wide World of Sports (I think) late afternoon on
        Saturday.  My brother was watching it and some surfing came on.

        It was a film of a bodyboarding in a barrel (tube ... whatever!)
        It would have been about 3-4 ft back I think ( I only got about a 10
        second look at it).  It started as a close up looking right up the
        barrel to a cheesy grin then zoomed back to show the whole wave.
        This was when I noticed it was an ARTIFICIAL WAVE.  I'm not sure how
        it was done, but it looked stationary.  It appeared that there was a
        downhill run of water (over concrete) which bounced off a wall or
        something similar.  The water bouncing off the wall formed the barrel.
        It looked really cool, but would have been a hell wipeout!!

        Didn't anybody else see this???? It didn't catch the name of the video
        it was from, but I think it would be cool to find out how it was
        actually done!

        Check-ya L8r.

        Erls.


Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: mfitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Michael Fitz)
Subject: Learning to surf
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:35:40 GMT

I'm going to be at Bond U in the Gold Coast from September to January
and want to learn to surf.  Can anyone recommend:

   - a board size (I'm 5'8" and 160lb)
   - a good place to get a used board
   - a place/organization/person that will teach people to surf
   - a good break to learn at

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: On Zen and bad movies ...
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:30:14 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Aug19.130158.8964@brtph560.bnr.ca> kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:

>responsibility, but the consequences are ugly.  I know, cause I tried it.
>Recked my relationship with my lady, affected my health, everything.  I just
>can't feature it.  It's like I'm on a runaway train and I gotta get off.
>Maybe surfin' could be part of the answer.  It's still unclear in my mind.
>

If anyone wants to disagree with me on this, feel free, but in my experience
surfing won't heal your life.  It's an escape, and if you use
it to avoid dealing with serious issues that you need to deal with,
it will get you nowhere.  It's a fun thing to do when its good, but
it ain't a zen-like tour through the psyche.  If that's what your
looking for check out alt.magick.

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer)
Subject: Re: alt.waves
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:45:29 GMT

In article <l8uaadINN1j2@cronkite> p-kun@blacklabel.Japan.Sun.COM (Kevin  
Parrington - Nihon Sun Logistics) writes:
> In article <2A8C1490.7050@deneva.sdd.trw.com> kieffer@spf.trw.com  
(Robert Kieffer) writes:
> >start cross-posting there <Evil grin>! ... 'maybe turn it into a group  
for  
> >the sponge-boarders, body surfers, and wind-surfers!
> >
> 
> 	Robert are you suggesting a little "ethnic cleansing" of 
> 	alt.surfing ???? ;^)  
> 
> 	I PROTEST !!!!!  
> 
> 	As one of the few, I think there are three of us, 
> 	"spongers"/ "bbr's" who post I refuse to be exiled to
> 	some faggot-assed newsgroup established by God knows who for the
> 	sole purpose of "waving at people...?" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> 	Gee wiz, I mean...relly.  Gosh, darn.........! Come on,
> 	be "Bro", bro...!!!!!! ;^)
> 

Hey Kev', it was just a playful suggestion in light of the controversy  
that seems to arise occasionally about the "true nature" of this group...

I guess it's just that surfer nature to congregate in one spot... even  
when you could have "alt.waves" all to yourself... so to speak! :^)

(...and another ":^)" for the one I apparently forgot earlier...)

No harm, No foul...
Robert
From: muettert@husc10.harvard.edu (Mark Muetterties)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Reports
Summary: Cape Cod Session
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:02:18 GMT
Distribution: alt.surfing
Organization: Harvard University Chemistry Department

Having recently stumbled into this news group, I thought a surf report
from Cape Cod would be appropriate:

The word was that Friday was 2' overhead, but that saturday was chest -
head high but choppy; my buddy and I got to White Crest Beach in Wellfleet
about 9 am Sunday to find fairly decent waves, still in the chest - head
high region.  The water temp was probably only in the high 50's, which
is unusually low for August, and the air temp was in the low 60's, again
unusual, but the whole summer has been pretty weird weather wise.
Wind was moderate out of the north, but things didn't get choppy until 
later on in the session.  Some light rain and fog added to the atmosphere.
There were about 20-30 surfers out spread around the two main sandbars, 
but not too crowded considering it's August.

Anyhow, I recently bought a new 7'0" Spectrum thruster which I've gone
out several times on in certainly less than perfect days, but not had much
luck on owing to the fact that I've been surfing a 8'6' single fin Freeline
Design board that I brought out from Santa Cruz several years ago when
I moved here.  Switching back to a short board was a bitch,
BUT, yesterday I finally got in the groove and got some decent rides on 
some head high set waves.  I was so excited after the first one that
I promptly swallowed a mouthful of salt water.  This was also my first
ride on a thruster, having mainly surfed a lot of twins in SC, all of
which were a bit small for me that I bought from a buddy there.  The
first bottom turn on my new board had none of the squirrelyness of the 
twins (which frequently sent me flying if I was even slight off balance),
which was a relief.

Well I've got some vacation time to spend so I hope to get as many
sessions as possible to get out on the new board before the temperatures
start to drop (or else I go further in debt and buy a 5 mil <- any
suggestions?).

A couple of other questions:
	Aierals:  What type of board bags are the best?  
	
	Surfing the Beltway:  I'm going to Washington soon for a conference
		and was wondering about surf spots near there and how long
		a drive it would be. 

-Mark
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Calling all surf videos
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:05:22 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I have seen "Endless Summer", "Big Wednesday", "North Shore", "Point
Break", and assorted other surfing only flicks. I thought "Endless Summer
showed the most pure surfing of all the regular (non-surfing only movies).
It is agreat movie. Big Wednesday had less surfing but a good story
line and some excellent longboarding footage.  North Shore was a baloney
story but the girl in the movie was a major babe. No offense to women
lurkers on the net. Point Break was a bunch of shit. Learning to surf
overhead waves in 3 weeks...yea right. All of the above were available
from "Blockbuster Video" or Erol's Video store. I really like the first
two and couldn't care less about the others.  I have also seen afew
video's purchased from surf shops. Most of these are bankrolled by a
sponsor ie: Op  or Billabong etc. They have their sponsored team riders
in them.  I am awaiting Bruce Brown's Endless Summer II which is being
filmed as we speak. He has a shortboarder and Wingnut the Cal longboarder
as his two searchers for this one. What a set up, get flown all over
the world to find surf at somebody else's expense.  I guess that is
the true "Surf Mecca" discussed in the Zen thang.
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Subject: Re: ear plugs, was Re: LA Surfers
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:05:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.230007.122@massey.ac.nz> P.B.Halverson@massey.ac.nz (P.B. Halverson) writes:
>clp,
>
[stuff about polluted water deleted]
>
>Nose and ear plugs look kookish, but can prevent considerable 
>discomfort.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Phil


Do people really surf with earplugs and is this safe?  I'm sure in small
conditions it's fine but I would think it'd be rather dangerous to be wearing
earplugs in any situation where you could be held under for some time. I mean,
if you're wearing earplugs underwater can you still tell which way is up?
And if you're pushed under deep with earplugs, won't the pressure damage
your ears (i.e. where without earplugs there would be no harm).
I've never worn ear plugs in water, so although these may appear as
stupid questions they really are just questions characterized by my
lack of experience (i.e. stupidity).

- leo