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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Statistical "proofs" (Was Re: women in engineering ( help..))
Organization: Fordham University
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:32:00 GMT
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In article <1992Sep15.163123.4171@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov>, 
julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes...

>[other posts deleted]

>I majored in Astronomy and Physics as an undergrad.
>At the first day of the Intro Astronomy course, the professor said
>(to a crowd of about 100) something like 'only 3 of you will 
>graduate with a B.S. in Astronomy and Physics'.  He was right.
> 
>There were 2 women (myself included) and one man.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>Julie
>#include "std_disclaimer.h"
>#include "witty_sig.h"

I have been teaching mathematics at a small liberal arts college
(with no engineering school attached) for 14 years now.  We don't 
get many math majors, maybe five per year average.  Very few go on
to graduate school in math or a related field (e.g. computer sci., 
physics).  For the record, I never predict to the students how many 
of them will pass the course or will go on to any particular degree.  

Of the last five math majors who *did* go on to graduate study, it 
is interesting to note that there were four women and one man.  Moreover,
the brightest of them (who went to M.I.T. from here) was a woman.  Small  
sample, but interesting result.  
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Fordham University's College at Lincoln Center
Disclaimer:  "I speak only for myself."
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From: jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Pro-LIFE feminists???
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:47:22 GMT
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <715912650@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
>#True; but I was writing on the basis of the liberal principle
>#that state power must be justified by some strong public interest
>
>In article<1992Sep7.153632.11616@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>
>>I was using the term _liberal_ in its classical sense; 
>
>The meaning of words is changed over time.  E.g. when "liberal"
>had the "classical" meaning "computer" meant something else than
>what it means today.  But when you say computer I assume that
>you talk about a machine and not about a person.  Conclusion: 
>if you want to use words in a "classical" sense then say so.

You mean it wasn't obvious that he was using it in the older
sense?
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: A letter to Rush: what is a liberal
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:11:04 GMT
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Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
.stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
.>  Conversely, if people don't have
.>any control over their lives, then the wealthy are only that way through
.>happenstance, have no legitimate claim to it, and it is only just that the
.>government should redistribute this wealth.
.
.    No, the thing that makes the redistribution justifiable is that some 
.people have accumulated far more than they need and others don't have 
.enough. It has nothing to do with who has legitimate claims to what. When 
.someone is starving they need food. If someone has more food than they need 
.then they have enough to share. Of course, it's to be hoped that the ones 
.with more than they need will voluntarily share, but why leave it to chance?

Huh? I don't know where the Scrooge image of the rich came from, but I
don't know what your plans are for your future. Does this mean that if
you win $1,000,000 in the lottery, that you should be forced to give 40%
away to the government to do as they will to your money?

If I were given free food by a club on campus, I would come back to the
club in order to get free food the next time, and the next time, and the
next time. It wouldn't cost me anything because it's free; all I have to
do is show up. Meanwhile, I practically bankrupt the providers because
they are all giving with no benefit for their organization whatsoever.
Now you can say they have "the joy of giving" but I'm sure that if you
were the provider, you wouldn't be so happy.

-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck (Duke BME '93)		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
I'm too busy for my class, too busy for my clubs, too busy for my work.
I'm too busy for my mail, too busy for my news, too busy for my calls.
I'm too busy for this .sig. 
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From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.news-media,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:35:27 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <mjenkins.716220983@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
> In <1992Sep11.131800.26507@news.uiowa.edu> williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
> 
> 
> >   On a good day, Dan Quayle is a complete dunderhead.  On a bad day,
> >   someone should get him a CAT scan and look for brain lesions.  Why
> >   are conservatives so attracted to him.
> 
> If he's such an idiot, then why do you waste your breath condemning
> the man? Get on with life and do something useful.

I can see why people give Quayle a hard time. He is the Vice-President. If he
weren't, no one would care how bright/stupid he is. It wouldn't matter. 
 
Did you forget that he is a heartbeat away from being your President? Citizens
owe it to themselves to hound a dunderhead out of office.....only Quayle
appears too stupid to get the message.

> 
> >3. By the way, being a glutton for punishment, I've been watching
> >   Quayle quite a bit on CSPAN.  Anyone else notice he's developed a
> >   real penchant for bizarre hand gestures?  He's beginning to look
> >   like Madonna in the 'Vogue' video.
> 
> Ditto. Give it a rest with the Quayle-bashing. No man or woman
> deserves the hell he's gone through for the past four years. If he's
> not your favorite person, fine, but this nit-picking (look at his
> hand-gestures now...geez, what a dweeb) is ridiculous.

Again....you dismiss the fact that he is a legitmate target because he has
demonstrated incompetence while holding high office.
 
He isn't just another man or woman. He is the Vice_president of the USA - and
is clearly not up to the job. if he had any sense, he would quit. But....as
you will notice....he has very little sense.
 
Idon't there is any real debate about this anymore. Mr Quale has proven over
and over that he should be doing some other job. He would probably he happier
if he were.
 
Steve
 

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From: titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Eric Titmas)
Subject: Re: Hyperbole about Clarence Thomas
Organization: SPS
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.030213.25361@cco.caltech.edu>, peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
|> titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Eric Titmas) writes:
|> 
|> >The way you stated it,  it sounds like Thomas thinks it's ok to beat confessions
|> >out of prisoners. 
|> 
|> It wouldn't surprize me if he did.  The senate judiciary committee certainly
|> didn't desist from browbeating in the Anita Hill proceedings.

You thought the Senate browbeat Anita?  Amazing.  My reaction was that they were exceedingly
tender & compassionate to a perjurer.  And to the Democrat's staff who suborned perjury.
-- 
Eric Titmas      Motorola ASIC       titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com               

It is impossible to take in more money than Congress can spend.  - Thomas Sowell
From: hooker@aristotle.ils.mwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Study: Bush better off avoiding presidential comparisons
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:10:32 GMT
Organization: ILS

In article <presidentsU2S71220pe@clarinet.com>, clarinews@clarinet.com
(UPI) writes:
> 
> 	URBANA, Ill (UPI) -- Lower taxes? Always a winner. Family values?
> Maybe.
> 	But while George Bush continues to revive campaign themes that scored
> big for his predecessor, a study suggests there's one slogan he'd
> probably be better off avoiding.
> 	When Ronald Reagan asked Americans in 1980, ``Are you better off now
> than you were four years ago,'' the response helped him defeat President
> Jimmy Carter.
> 	The same question posed a dozen years later would bring a decidedly
> different response, according to a special pre-election issue of
> Illinois Business Review.
> 	In a survey of ``Presidents and Economic Performance,'' the
> University of Illinois publication says Bush scores lowest of all
> presidents since John Kennedy in keeping average Americans employed and
> financially secure.
> 	The Bush administration has produced ``little to offer except
> moderate inflation,'' the survey concludes.
> 	Research assistant Stephen Quinn said the study considered standard
> economic indicators to rate the financial well-being of average U.S.
> workers and found the past four years were pretty bleak.
> 	``Under Bush, the nation suffered a contraction in real per-capita
> income. Unemployment rose over the same period,'' Quinn explained. 
> ``While in 1992 a recovery is in progress, the upturn has been weak.''
> 	Bush's economic record looks anemic, even compared with the
> lackluster Carter administration, which was rated the second-worst
> performing presidency.
> 	While inflation ran high under Carter, employment improved and per-
> capita income rose slightly, the study says.
> 	The Kennedy administration delivered the strongest economic results
> for average Americans, the survey found. ``No administration since has
> matched Kennedy's combination of income and job growth with low
> inflation and reduced taxes,'' the article states.
> 	While the Reagan years produced 92 consecutive months of economic
> growth, that did not translate into major gains for average workers, the
> survey found.
> 	Under Reagan, the income of U.S. workers grew at only half the rate
> as under Kennedy.
> 	The University of Illinois' Bureau of Economic and Business Research,
> which regularly surveys the U.S. economy, published the study in a
> special edition released last week.
> 
>
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: No taxes
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <92255.135751JER4@psuvm.psu.edu> JER4@psuvm.psu.edu (John E. Rodway) writes:
>...
>urge you to suggest the following.  For Mr. Limbaugh to become the ultimate
>conservative, he should advocate the abolishment of all manditory taxes and
>make paying taxes voluntary.  Churches and charities do very well this way
>so why not the government?  Maybe we could install boxes in 'Stop and Go',
>...

 Dosent a country in Europe already do this. People decide at the end of
the year how worthy the government was and then decide how much tax do-
nations to give. Is it Sweden or Switzerland ?

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.news-media,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kerry Schwab)
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:53:06 GMT

In article <mjenkins.716220983@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>In <1992Sep11.131800.26507@news.uiowa.edu> williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
>
>
>>   On a good day, Dan Quayle is a complete dunderhead.  On a bad day,
>>   someone should get him a CAT scan and look for brain lesions.  Why
>>   are conservatives so attracted to him.
>
>If he's such an idiot, then why do you waste your breath condemning
>the man? Get on with life and do something useful.
           
Such as what ? Gathering around with the family on the veranda listening 
to Rush Limbaugh and extolling the virtues of life ?

Aren't most of the alt. groups "useless" in the big scheme of things
anyway ? And wasn't the purpose of alt.fan.dan-quayle to ridicule 
him ?

He wouldn't get ridiculed so much if he were just the "stupid" ambassador
to some unimportant country, but he's the "stupid" VP.

--
Kerry Schwab
kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: At last, a conservative comic strip!
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:34:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

In article <1992Sep10.141828.13549@dbsun.uucp> hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:
>
>If I remember, the Tomahawk cruise missiles performance was less
>than exemplary in the Gulf War.  The missiles themselves performed
>well, but they were fed faulty navigational data.  Soon after the
>air war started, the military stopped using them, because they were
>too expensive for the job ($1.2 million per missile).  Of course with
>total air superiority, who needs cruise missiles?
>

Not totally accurate.  Cruise missiles and stealth "fighters" were a
critical part of the INITIAL strikes against Iraqi command/control/
communications and anti-air warfare facilities.  Overall effectiveness
for cruise missiles was ~80-85%.  

You use a cruise missile for targets that might be too heavily defended
for an initial attack with manned aircraft, or to use their stealth
advantage (they fly lower, slower, and are much smaller than manned
aircraft.

After you have knocked out CCC and anti-aircraft facilities, it is cheaper
to drop dumb bombs.  But for that initial defense-saturating attack,
lots and lots of cruise missiles sure complicate air defense.  I think
we got our money's worth on the Tomohawk land attack missile.


-- 
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Department of Oceanography, Code OC/Rv |      Bitnet 5346p@NAVPGS 
Naval Postgraduate School              |              
Monterey, CA  93943   (408) 646-2084   |
From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: At last, a conservative comic strip!
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:30:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.

In article <s4sn5_n.jrs@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>
>And was it a "slip of the tongue" that Clinton claimed Reagan and Lincoln
>were never in the military? Is it a "slip of the tongue" that a prepared
>speech that Clinton read repeatedly to learn, and which went through who knows
>how many handlers during its preparation, has such an error? If he makes
>errors of fact such as these, which are trivial to check, how many errors
>is he making in his policy statements, his economic plan, etc. etc.? 

Just because Rush says it doesn't make it true, much as you would like
to believe.  If you would have read the speech text, Clinton said that
Lincoln joked that the only blood he gave was "to the mosquitos" when he
was in the militia for about four weeks in Illinois.  Clinton did *not*
say that Lincoln never served.  Clinton said that Lincoln would think
the question was funny, given Lincoln's own experience.

I'll admit the speech was rather convoluted, allowing casual listeners
to get the wrong impression, which may be what Clinton's speechwriter
wanted.

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hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Jim Hulsey)   TBDBITL '84 ('85 Rose Bowl)
An Ohioan living in Misery (Missouri, same difference)

Watch what you say!                Won't you sign up your name
They'll be calling you a radical   So you can be their dependable
A liberal, fanatical criminal      Respectable, presentable vegetable
--  Supertramp "The Logical Song"
From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: SC rally: "We don't want a draft dodger for president!"
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:50:41 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA


As an oft-disillusioned veteran of the 60's and 70's, I have come to
view politicians in the same light as mafioso and mass murderers.
And anyone who wants to grow up to be any of the above has serious
problems...........

Career Politicians:  Just say no!

If term limits are good for the President, they're good for everyone
else, too.

-- 
Josh Rovero   (rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil) | or Internet 5346p@cc.nps.navy.mil 
Department of Oceanography, Code OC/Rv |      Bitnet 5346p@NAVPGS 
Naval Postgraduate School              |              
Monterey, CA  93943   (408) 646-2084   |
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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.news-media,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up! Press Reports It!
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:09:56 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep13.195745.29630@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.121218.19645@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>> 
>> I don't actually know why I'm responding to a posting from New Zealand...
>> As if people there actually KNOW anything about American politics, or,
>> for that matter, should be sticking their noses into our countries
>> political scene...
>
>Well.....you assume an awful lot here.....I grew up in North America and
>follow events there closely. We get CNN and the ABC nightly news - in full -
>as well as the New York Times and the L A papers - and many others being
>available at the local library - only a few weeks old. The media of the world
>are awash in US news...... 
> 
   [...]

   More than that.  US Americans tend to be pretty insular in what they
   actually know of alternatives, and pretty arrogant in what they *think*
   they know.  You want to know what's wrong with some aspect of the
   US American political system, ask a non-USian for his or her view.
   The *point* of view alone will make it worth your while.

   Wayne
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Liberal Bias Example
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:42:34 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Sep10.174052.20420@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
->In article <1916@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
->> So, the reporter accussed conservatives of being homophobic and that single
->>mothers have no values. What proof did he offer of this ? Why, he probably
->>was basing his accussations on previous biased media coverage. Obviously,
->>this reporter has never watched Dan unedited on CSPAN.
->
->	You would _never_ know this from the speeches at the
->Republican National Convention and some of the other speeches Quayle
->has made.
->
->	I detect a hint of insincerity in these remarks; something
->like denying a position one has explicitly stated just to win friends.

 Please quote Quayle or other RNC Speeches where you detect Homophobia. I
went through the trouble of typing in an actual example. Typing in a
counter example is the least you can do.
 One would think that pro-gay rights people would have been happy to
here Pat Buchanan say that the Clinton/Gore ticket was the most pro-gay 
rights ticket ever.  Obviously what bothered gay-rights people was the fact
that PAT said it. Is it not true ? If it is true why be afraid to admit it?

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
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From: 00jdbecktel@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Liberal Bias Example
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:49:35 GMT

In article <2924977177.0.p00107@psilink.com>, p00107@psilink.com (Dan Gillmor) writes:
>>>>
>>>>One of my personal favorite news techniques is where the reporter
>>>>finishes a story with, "of course critics would say that ..."  Where the
>>>>reporter just inserts his opinion of what he believes a critic would
>>>>most likely say.  Is there a more obvious way to insert some personal 
>>>>bias into a story?
>>>>

Here Here.

>>>>--
>>>Would you provide us with a specific example of this?
>>
>>I would be happy to, the next time I see it.  It's so pervasive on
>>the nightly news that it shouldn't be too long before I see another
>>example.  Of course I don't get to watch the news much lately, so no
>>promises...
>>
>>Are you implying that this doesn't happen, or are you just curious?
>>

I know. It's just lovely to have biased news. But it can almost not be helped.
99 44/100 percent of journalists are liberal, except for me. 
It is human error to be bias but usually cannot be helped.

Everyone has a view and when the reporter or anchorman has the power of the
media, chances are, his/her views are going to leak in.
"Critics say..." is an excellent example. 

The wouldn't even be lying. They are the critic are the only gather the
appropriate quotes. It's sickening. A conservative writer like me, should
infiltrate the media and balance it out. After all, I am a Libra.
Fight the Power.
> 
> Anyway, the next time you hear someone do this, let me know.
> 

Ok. Pick up the paper and turn on the television. But don't be fooled.
You won't notice it out of habit, most likely.
			      
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