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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:32:35 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1ai1seINNqu3@rodan.UU.NET> lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner) writes:
>>
>>Of course it is!  My Sibs make the same sound.  Where do you think I got the
>>name for my kennel???? :-)
>>
>>-- 
>>============================================================
>>Stephen R. Lee                 | 
>>OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
>>E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
>
>Hummmmmmmmmm...I think my Aniways Dan-Sasha would be a good
>addition to you racers....not only does she NEED to lead, she
>makes the ooooooooWWWWoooooooooooo sound whenever I go out the 
>front door to take out the trash. What a character.
>
>And here we had a siberian for 12 years and we were led to believe
>that they were not barkers. Sasha was changed our opinion. She 
>not only howls, she also is VERY talkative.
>
>Lorelei Horner                   UUNET Operator
>lorelei@uunet.uu.net		 uunet!lorelei

I agree.  My Sibs are quite vocal.  My Mal is less vocal, but he too can be
quite vocal at times.  However, I have never heard them *bark*.  You know, the
traditional bark (woof woof, or whatever).  Howl, yes.  "ooo woo", yes.  Bark no.
Howling is great fun.  A lot of times, I will sit back and howl loud and clear, and
this will immediately cause them to start howling together.  I've *got* to get that
on videotape sometime. :-)

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Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:33:32 GMT

In article <BvB551.FMr@news.udel.edu> thuyan@ravel.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
>I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
>because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
>she is just very independent.  So who is right?
>
>Thuy-An
>

No, your dog is not stupid.  Siberians are notoriously (sp?) stubborn and
easily bored.  The stubborness is a necessity, due to thier original purpose.
I one read that to get a Siberian to do something (almost anything) once
or twice is no big deal.  This is certainly true (also true for Mals, in my
opinion).  Repitition is more difficult, because they are so easily bored.  
The stubborness kicks in when they are more interested in something else, and 
breaking that "concentration" on the other thing and getting it back on 
training can be a challenge.

I recomend that you enroll in an obediance class.  It will help you and
the dog.  Remember to try and keep lessons interesting and fun (and somewhat
brief, initially).  I have found that this is the best way to train norther breeds
(and most dogs, actually).

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Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Organization: University Of Canberra
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:15:30 GMT

In article <BvB551.FMr@news.udel.edu> Thuy-An Hartman,
thuyan@ravel.udel.edu writes:
>I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
>because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
>she is just very independent.  So who is right?

You are.  I have a sib who is basically always at the top of its
obedience classes but will switch off outside class time and be very
independent.  From the various people I know that own sibs I've come to
the conclusion that it is just part of the breeds characteristics.  It is
very worthwhile doing obedience training with your dog, if you haven't
done so already.

Stacey
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Raising dogs vs. children
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:51:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvD3I3.G1M
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Distribution: na
Organization: Materials Research Lab

In article <1992Sep29.164916.1@stsci.edu>, mryan@stsci.edu writes:

|> I found that having kids was good practice for having a puppy - they are
|> messy, sometimes destructive, and can't be left loose in the house
|> unsupervised.
|> 
|> Mary Ryan			mryan@stsci.edu
|> Space Telescope Science Institute
|> Baltimore, Maryland
|> 

Believe it or not, when we went in for marriage counselling my 
pastor actually said that having a dog is good practice for
having children! We're on the borderline whether we ever
want kids or not, right now it's "definitely NOT now" as
I just graduated and we're both working full time jobs. We told
the Pastor that and then said "Well, our puppy is just wearing us 
out we can't imagine what a kid would do!" (this was Baeki
the Cocker Spaniel) Pastor Steve then said "well, see how it
goes with the dog. Having a puppy is actually VERY GOOD
practice for having a kid. It'll show if you two can work 
together to bring up the dog correctly, which can then 
relate to children" We never thought we'd hear that
from a Pastor, although that's exactly what we were thinking.

Often folks will ask when we're going to have kids (gees, we've
only been married a few months over a year..impatient relatives!)
and then we get into "How puppies are better than children" discussions.
Our favorite responses are:

1) You can't leave a kid alone in a crate for 4 hours at a time and
not get arrested.

2) You can't take off for most of the day and just leave the kid a bowl of
food and a big bowl of water (this is after puppy has grown up, of course!).

3) It takes more than a few weeks to potty train a kid. 

4) Dogs grow up and are nearly mature after a year.

5) Dogs don't beg for fancy clothes, car keys, or money.

6) Dogs don't have to go to school  or college.

7) Dogs don't talk back!

Those are a few, we have a whole list. Mind you, we don't mind kids,
we just dont' want any right now!!! :) Lots  of smiles included for 
the humor impaired....:-) :-)

Kay Schlumpf & the Crew
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 21:08:50 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Motivational Methods
 <1992Sep29.225913.13001@pmafire.inel.gov> <23759@alice.att.com>

Whenever there is a discussion of "who's blame is this"
I cringe.  Most of us know that in any "bad" situation,
TWO people/sides are at fault.  Sure, some obedience
trainers are not very good, can't teach, are sloppy...
but then, some owners aren't very good (with the dog),
can't learn (or don't want to), and are sloppy....
And sometimes both are....
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Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 09:59:51 -0400 
From: Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Arthritis - pain relief?

My 10 year old Maltese has very bad arthritis in his legs (he was a
rescue from a puppy mill and had deformed legs). Is there anything I can
do to make him more comfortable? His legs give out often and he falls on
his face. Would some kind of leg support help? He's a sweet dog and it's
awful to hear him cry when he falls or is stepped upon by my larger dog.
I'll be taking him to the vet soon, but wondered if there was something
I could do in the meantime.

--Barb--
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Owner obedience lessons
From: bmann@desire.wright.edu
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:37:13 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

The various obedience discussions going on right now inspire me to throw
in my 2 cents worth.  Barney, the happy Airedale, just had his first
birthday yesterday (yes, he did get special treats), so I was reminiscing
about the 7 months that he has been in my life.  Some of you may 
remember my being frantic when he wouldn't heel properly at 6 months.
Well, I've learned a lot in the process of continuing his training.  He
still is a sloppy heeler, but he's terrific at some other stuff and gets
better all the time at heel.  What I have learned is two major things:
1. Patience! - Impatience at his sometimes slow progress is totally
counter-productive.  He is full of energy and enthusiasm, but gets bored
doing the same stuff over and over, so training sessions on any one
exercise have to be short.  That slows down the progress, but he is
much, much farther along than I imagined he could get when we first
started this.
2. I've had to sit on my own competitive streak - the part of me that
always wants to be the best in class (so wants my DOG to be the best
in class).  Some days he is - but other days he'd rather goof off and
there isn't a whole lot I can do about it except try to stay happy and
remember lesson #1.
When I keep these two lessons in mind, we both have a lot of fun and I
get really fascinated with the whole process of teaching him things -
how to get him to understand what I want him to do, how to figure out
what's going on in his doggie brain when he goofs up, and other odds
and ends.  One of these days, we'll even be ready to enter a trial.

Barbara Mann, Dept of Math/Stat, Wright State University, Dayton, OH
bmann@desire.wright.edu
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog is totally stiff
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu

HB>where he pooped a lot, and "IT" looked almost black and was slymy.  I took
HB>him to the vet who told us because he had diarhea he is so stiff, and that
HB>it is possible that he has gas that got throughout his body and causes the
HB>stiffness.  At the vet his temperature was slightly elevated.  The vet gave
HB>him an antibiotics shot and gave him pills for his stomach (Carafate, 1gr
HB>3X a day). Since Saturday he is also on a bland diet (rice with boiled
HB>hamburger meat.

I am quoting from Dog Owners Home Veterinary Handbook: Black tarry
stool-indicates bleeding in the upper digestive track.
Consistency-Greasy stool-often with oil on the hair around the
anus-indicates malabsorption.
I would have your vet check for these 2 things. Also could the dog have
gotten hold of a toad? Toads are Toxic to dogs. I would also ask the
neighbor if he had recently spray his yard with *ANY* chemicals.
The diet is great. Rice is a natural binding material and the hamburger
meat supplies the protien the dog needs. Any time my dogs get a touch of
diarrhea I add rice to the diet in lieu of medicine. 99% of the time
this takes care of it after 1 feeding. If not I run them to the vet.

Take care, and keep us posted on your kees.

Kathleen@cutting.hou.tx.us








HB>Wotan is up-to-date with all his shots (distemper, rabies,parovirus).  He
HB>is on a once-a-month heartworm medicine which also prevents other worms (He
HB>always gets it on the 1st of each month). On Friday I didn't take him on
HB>any walks but just played with him in the backyard, so it is almost
HB>impossible that he could have eaten anything poisenous. He is never
HB>unsupervised in the backyard.  The only thing he managed to eat where some
HB>grass clippings that our neighbour washed off the lawn mower and left them
HB>lying around. Wotan had a little piece of those clippings before I could
HB>stop him. We told the vet about the grass clippings but she said that grass
HB>wouldn't cause anything like this.
HB>Has anybody had a similar problem with their dog?  I am really worried about
HB>Wotan and would appreciate any suggestions.
HB>Tomorrow we will take him to the vet again.
HB>(This morning we also gave him one pill of Buffrin).

HB>Any suggestions what it could be would be appreciated.
HB>Thanks!

HB>Heike Berlind
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Change subject of loose kids to loose dogs
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.112445.8946@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.) writes:
 
>In article <lc4epgINN7n9@thor.cs.utexas.edu>, clancy@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel J. Clancy) writes:
>> I also will say that I feel strongly that if you have a dog that has
>> ever had problems relating with other dogs, then you should keep him
>> on a lead at all times.  This includes dogs that insist on dominating other
>> dogs and might scare the owner even though they have never attacked another
>> dog.
>>
>But what about the dog that is friendly,  and runs up to the dog that is
>on the lead that has problems relating with other dogs? There can still be
>a problem.
 
 
The friendliness, or unfriendliness, of the dog is irrelavant.  The
dog shouldn't be running up to other people or other dogs.  If he (the
dog) does, he is out of control and shouldn't be off-lead.  Period.
 
 
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From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Pets and Kids
Date: 30 SEP 92 09:59:30 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, paigen@tfs.com (David Paigen) wrote:

>My point is, if your dog will come into contact with small children,
>train the dog to suffer the abuse that a child is likely to heap upon

	YES I agree with this.  My husband has taught our lab not
to take an object out of his hand unless it is proffered on a flat hand
or -with a long object- where the hand is at the other end.  He did not
want our dog to get excited and try to take a ball or biscuit from a 
little person with little hands.  He's a general all around good natured
lab who'll tolerate a lot but getting excited with a ball is a whole 
'nother story.  
Bev
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog to Good Home WAS Pet Population Legislation
Date: 3 Oct 92 08:54:17 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> David Kosenko writes:
> I agree with the person who has, in their .sig, something to the effect
> that a pet is for life (not for 'while it's convenient').


No, I'm not selling a dog, I just wanted to comment on the above and find out
what all of you think. Is it or is it not okay to give up a dog for personal
reasons on the condition that a good home is found? This posting is not
derected specifically at David.

Example: Joe has a wonderful dog. He has trained it in obedience, but the dog
can not be shown because...I dunno...it's incurably terrified of judges. He
very much wants to show a dog, but he cannot have two dogs where he lives so
he gives the dog to a friend and gets another dog. He keeps tabs on the old
dog to make sure that it continues to have a good home with his friend.

Example: You buy a green dog, and redecorate your house a year later. The dog
now clashes with your sofa so you find a new home for it and get a purple
dog. You find a GOOD home for it, and you tell the new owners that if they
can no longer keep the dog, you will take it back and see to finding it a new
home. You keep in touch with the new owners every once in a while.

The point is that the above reasons are somewhat selfish (and totally
fanciful, but they are just to illustrate a point) and not what is generally
seen as valid reasons for giving up a dog. The important part though, is that
the owner does not try and totally toss out his responsibility for the dog
even though he does not keep the dog.

Would you say these are BAD reasons and that the person is acting
irresponsibly? Would you say that one should keep a dog it's entire life
unless he/she has a "good" reason to give it up, such as allergies, etc.?
Would you say to these people, "HOW can you give your dog away for such a
selfish, insignificant reason?!"

If so, please explain to me how this is different from a person who
responsibly breeds puppies and sells the excess puppies to other people,
and/or who sometimes does not sell a dog until it is a year or two old and
has completed a show career or proved itself unsuitable for breeding.

Is there really a difference?


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:37:26 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct1.213105.16082@newshost.lanl.gov>, srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.121227.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
>>
>>So anyway, once again I'm plugging Susan Conant's mysteries, in which the
>>heroine not only solves murders, she tries to put obedience titles on her
>>Malamutes.  I had no idea Northern breeds were so stubborn and hard to train
>>until I started reading these books in which people with Goldens, Poodles, etc	
>>are astonished by someone even trying to put a CDX on a Mal.  The antics of the
>>dogs are pretty funny!  And I hadn't realized Mals don't bark, they say "Woo-	
>>woo."  Is this really true?  I'm going to have to listen more closely at the 	
>>next show!
> 
> Of course it is!  My Sibs make the same sound.  Where do you think I got the
> name for my kennel???? :-)
> 
>>
>>
>>Holly
> 
> -- 
> ============================================================
> Stephen R. Lee                 | 
> OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
> E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.


Ok - I feel properly idiotic now!  I guess when I started reading this series,
your kennel name did take on added significance to me, and I sort of put the
2 together.

But is there a qualitative difference between a "woo woo" and an "ooo woo"? :-)


Holly
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:29:18 GMT

r hardin writes:
> I believe the pit bull crisis was their [humane societies'] work
> not to mention proposed guidelines for vicious dog legislation.

And you're welcome to believe it!

Of course, the fact is otherwise.  But believe whatever you like!
Don't let the facts get in your way!

-- Jon
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Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:55:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <26048@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan) writes...

>I'm putting on my flame suit :)
>I find the "what breed is that" or getting insulted by having your breed
>mis-guessed to be a little on the pompous- side. I understand all the
>reasons
> for having breeds which have certain temperaments etc.  But...
[Deletions]

My dog is a mutt and I wouldn't have it any other way.  He's got a 
perfect temperment as did my 1st dog - another pound rescued mutt.  
Well, perfect temperment for a pet/house dog.  (They might not have 
made very good hunting dogs, I don't know.)  But maybe I'm just lucky.

JGH
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Impending Legislation Affects Responsible Breeders (post 1 of 2)
Date: 25 Sep 92 08:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: crs@beta.lanl.gov

Charlie,
I thought that this "Puppy Lemon Law" was killed in the House. Is this a
new version of it or was I mis-informed. I belong to 2 breed and 1 all
breed club that did lots of letter writing earlier in this year on this
bill to stop its passage.
This is an extremly "Dangerous" bill, and we need to stop it!!!

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: dog sounds
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:46:48 GMT

Our Newfoundland, Sophie, has "woo wooed" since the first
time she was in heat.  That sounds dumb, but that was when
it started!  She'd "woo woo" walking in circles in front of
people who thought it was "so cute!"  We didn't tell the
neighbors what she was trying to say!

She will "woo woo" at us when we come home, when she wants
dinner NOW, and generally when she feels like being mouthy.
She doesn't "bark!" at us, though.  She barks at her brother
when they are playing and when something startles her (leaves,
crickets, other natural disasters.)

Her brother, Arnie, also does not "bark!" at us, but sorta
makes a whiney "arrr arrrr" type talk.  He dogs bark at his
sister and impending dooms, like squirrels.

Along the line of the dog that barks with it's mouth full -
the funniest was when I threw a dog treat into Sophie's water bucket.
She saw it, stuck her face in the water up to her eyes and BARKED!
She was quite surprised that the water came up and hit her in
the face.  She now digs holes when it's raining, waits for them
to fill up, and barks in the them!  Weird animal.....


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Dog show mystery series
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:40:00 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <349@mindlink.bc.ca>, Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
> The following is reproduced without permission from the October 1992 Dog Fancy:
> 
> ***************
> 
> ...Borax is extremely toxic if swallowed or absorbed through the skin...never
> to apply borax to dogs or cats and always to store it out of reach of animals
> and children.
>                         Susan Conant
>                         Newton, Massachusetts


My reply to Valaria's posting has nothing to do with Borax and fleas -- it's
her citation of Susan Conant.  For any dog show/obedience/dog lover in general
folks out there who are also mystery buffs, you might be interested to know
that Susan Conant authors a line of mysteries (with titles like _Dead and
Doggone_, _A New Leash on Death_, etc.) that feature dog writer/amateur
detective Holly Winter and her Alaskan Malamutes.  A lot of the action focuses
on the show/obedience set -- the books are a pretty entertaining read!

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> or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca         Until I met a man who had no feet.
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Holly Kruse