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From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Old Jeeps
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:53:45 GMT

In article <Eebt2fC00Uh_E1P8ES@andrew.cmu.edu> Janviere S Thuman <jt3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I am in the process of restoring a 1974 Jeep CJ-5. I am having trouble
>locating a few parts. Does anyone have any advice or sources? Some of
>the things I need are:

Leon Rosser Jeep in Bessemer, Alabama is probably the best source for 
hard-to-find Jeep parts.  They're a dealership and will actually discount
stock parts, a rare thing for a dealer.

Their catalogs are not free but for around seven bucks you will not be
sorry you sent for it.  The number is 800/633-4724.

I've also used Desert Rat and ACME for jeep parts too but prefer Leon Rosser.

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From: rhorwell@crab.tc-suns (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: THE DOOR HORROR
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:24:41 GMT
Reply-To: rhorwell@crab.tc-suns
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 13425@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.095500.1@dac.mdcbbs.com> asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:
>>    So there I am just cruising down to drop off a video at the store.
>>    Park my car(waaay far away so no stpid jerk will bang door into my
>>    wife's wedding present-BMW 325i convertible).  As I walk out of the
>>    store I see this moronic woman park next to my wife's car and kick 
>>    her door open with her foot!! Taking off about a half inch square 
>>    of paint from the wheel well.  She of course doesn't even give a damn
>Well, the Jerk (and his lovely wife Jerkette) came out of the store
>the same time with us, but they were lugging some real big item
>and had one of these big 3 by 5 feet loading carts, heading for the
>bimmer. We were next to ours when they just let the cart roll onto
>the side of the Saturn. I knew I was dealing with morons when I 
 
It never ceases to amaze me!!!  I don't park next to anyone anymore for these
reasons!  I still get buttheads who decide that the parking lines mean nothing - 
trying to squeeze into my space with me when I 'hug' the opposite side.  
There are 2 types (of cars) to always stay away from: 1) the unwashed, smoke belchers that
probably aren't insured (these are typically driven by irritable, mad-at-the-world
women with 3 little kids that walk around the back seat while she drives) and
the yuppies (or wannabe's) in their newish (< 2yr old) vehicle.  

In the first case - she doesn't give a damn about your car - she likes hers
'cause it's got heavy doors that she can fling open and it doesn't matter if they
hit anything because the dirt covers the scratches anyway!

In the second case - muffy and buffy will only keep the car (which is an appliance)
for a couple of years, and then get a new one. 

("Muffy, I think the Beemer needs to have the oil changed"  
	"Oooo, I do hate dealing with those grubby mechanics" 
"Let's get a new one with NEW oil in it!"  
	"Wonderful idea Buffy!")

In both cases, we are dealing with as*holes who's only concern is themselve.  
You (and your beloved vehicles) are simply irritations that are in THEIR way!

THE ANSWER:  Get a theft deterrant system like James Bond had in a Lotus - the car
blows up along with the cretin who touched it!  (Expensive, but fun!) :^)

Roland
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:05:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Comprehensive repair manual for Dodge
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I have an '85 Daytona Turbo and the only manual I've found is a Chilton's 
book.  The dealer sells the official Dodge book but its quite a bit more
expensive.  None of the ones I've seen have a parts list included.  It 
seems to be much easier to find Haynes or Clymer's manuals for the foreign
cars than for American cars.  

Bye,
Gary

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From: Pete Helme <pvh@apple.com>
Subject: Anything new about '93 Nissan Pathfinder?
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:49:22 GMT
X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:52:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: A Gaggle of Lexi
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:21:57 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Aug24.141342@IASTATE.EDU>, sknapp@IASTATE.EDU (Steven M. Knapp) writes:
|> 
|> > >Suppose you buy a Lexus, and you really like it.  So, you buy another
|> > >one for your wife.  Now you have two.
|> > >
|> > >Does this mean you have two "Lexuses," or "Lexi?"
|> > >
|> > >Enquiring minds want to know!
|> > 
|> > Buy me two, and I'll tell you.  One ES300 and one SC400 will be just
|> > -- 
|> Or solve the whole dilema and buy 2 infinitis, perhaps a J30t and a Q45a?
|> 
|> Or would that be infinities? :-)

No.  That would be infinity since

	oo * 2 == oo

I couldn't resist.

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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: What the curious saw at the local Dodge dealership
Keywords: Cars. Two. Nice. HORRIBLY EXPENSIVE.
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:50:25 GMT

I wrote:
>She should be able to easily achieve and maintain 130 (assuming the
>terrain is reasonable).  I'm not terribly familiar with the Acclaim,
>but unless the 1984 RX-7 is a lot different from the 1986 model she
>lost only because she didn't drive it right.

I got email that informed me that the '84 RX-7 had the 12A engine
rather than the better fuel-injected 13B.  Live and learn.

Still, I thought the Acclaim was a midrange sedan.  Can it really top
130?  Even without fuel injection the RX-7 should be pretty fast, so
I'm still surprised.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
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From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Subject: RE: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Reply-To: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:07:40 GMT


In article <1992Sep2.124903.28197@bnr.ca>, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
|> 
|> Actually, both the Integra GS and GSR come standard with Air, only the LS
|> does not (I just looked at them on Saturday).
|> 
They DON'T come with standard air in the US. AC is a dealer-installed
option on Integras in the US.

|> I didn't know Japanese cars cost so much in the U.S., for $22,000 you can
|> get an Integra GSR in Canada.  A top of the line Accord (with all the options)
|> costs $18,000, and I haven't looked into the Prelude.  These are sticker
|> prices (Acura does not negotiate on price).
|> 

They don't cost as much as Erich Lim claims. My friend bought a GSR with
AC and mats etc. for US$ 17,500 two months ago. This was in Los Angeles too.
(It includes the California emmissions package).
Also, Acura dealers do negotiate on price unlike in Canada.

|> Considering the conversion on the dollar, maybe it's time for some cross
|> border shopping in the other direction.
|> 

Not yet, Don. 

Rohit Thukral
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From: jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn)
Subject: Re: SHO Shifter Kit
Reply-To: jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 13:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.022416.14623@access.digex.com>, burgoyne@access.digex.com
(J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:
|>In article <14381@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
writes:
|>[Where is the promised updated SHO shifter available through Ford Motorsport]
|>
|>Doesn't that thing cost about $1K just for the parts? My friend told me about
|>it but when I heard about the price -- no way!
|>
|>Robert Burgoyne
|>Proud owner of a white 1989 SHO.
|>
  
  Hey, they didn't *make* white '89 SHOs!
 
  Back to the subject at hand... The shifter upgrade has been 
  available any time now for the last six months or so. Price 
  seems to be slowly creeping up. First I heard about $250, 
  lately it seems to be about $325. 
 
  Jim
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From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle)
Subject: Re: Solidity = Safety ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:53:59 GMT

nathanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathan Chan) writes:

>I'm under the impression that German cars (especially Mercedes) have
>a reputation for solid construction and workmanship. In addition to being
>a virtue in itself, it seems to me that this would imply increased safety
>and survivability in case of an accident. However, crash test data in
>Consumer Reports shows that the Mercedes 190E only offers mediocre
>crash protection in a frontal barrier crash (even with a driver's airbag),
>precisely because the rigid body structure did not crumple much, and
>therefore more of the impact force was transferred to the occupants.

Yes, a rigid "passenger cell" together with deformable "crush zones" on
each end is a Very Good Thing, and something that Mercedes (and Volvo,
Saab, BMW, Audi, etc) have been building for at least 20 years.  (I still
remember a commercial circ. 1972 showing a BMW Bavaria [ancestor of the
5-series sedan] that was rear ended at highway speeds during a test drive...)

Remember that the NHTSA conducts its barrier tests as 35mph.  The optimum
level of "crush resistance" to pass that test would be far too weak to
offer any protection at higher speeds.  Mercedes optimizes their cars for
higher speed impacts, and also to handle a "one-sided" frontal collision:

	      ______
	      |
	------|  B
	     ||
	  A  |------
	     |
	------

All things considered, I doubt you can find a safer place to be in a
collision than a Mercedes.

Mart L. Molle
Computer Systems Research Institute
University of Toronto
Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4
(416)978-4928
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From: leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: TOYOTA's timing belt
Date: 24 Aug 92 13:45:22 GMT
    <1992Aug24.052658.16972@mr.med.ge.com> 
    <1992Aug24.134901.18192@walter.bellcore.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

what about the eclipse/talon/laser?  free wheeling or not?

leonard

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1970 Cougar X-R7 for sale
Keywords: 351 Clevand V-8
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:04:14 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Sep3.010646.19073@octel.com> rajan@octel.com (Rajan Ranga) writes:
>For sale 1970 Cougar X-R7
>
>	recently rebuilt 351 Clevand V-8 (250 hp  ~355 ft-lb torque)
>	new automatic tranmission (3-speed)
>	excellent paint work ($2500 job)
>	bucket seats (leather surfaces)
>	power steering
>	air conditioning
>	AM/FM stereo cassette player
>	new tires
>	all repair records
>	original manual
>	1 owner
>
>Price $8,000/o.b.o
>
    Or you could just go to a dealer and buy a 1987-88 Cougar for
    that kinda money....
From: jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Year End Incentives on VW's ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:28:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, Bedford MA


Hi rec.autos.folks,

    I asked this in the VW group already, but just to cover my bases...

    Does anyone know what year end incentives VW is kicking back
to it's dealers on Passat's ?? One local dealer here is advertising
$2300 off list, which would put it below the so called dealer invoice.
That must mean the dealer is getting a pretty good chunk back.

Some people here have mentioned that the San Jose Mercury News prints
rebate and incentive info every Friday. If one of you left coast folks
has last Friday's edition laying around at home, I'd really appreciate
it if you could look up the Passat incentives for me (if the list it)!

Post or email please (email prefereable since I don't have time to read News
every day.....)

t.i.a.
-Jeff

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From: sysjmk@sarah.albany.edu (Joe Kane)
Subject: leak in rear seal
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:23:44 GMT

   I have been told (by a mechanic) that I have a slow leak in my

rear seal. Is there something that I can use to "slow down" that leak such

as STP ? Please respond by mail to sysjmk@sarah.albany.edu.

                                         thanks

                                        Joe Kane

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From: alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne)
Subject: Re: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:01:47


(Erich Lim writes):
>ignorant).  Honda's are EXPENSIVE, a top of the line CIVIC costs
>$16,000!!  That's ridiculous and they always advertise them for $11,000.
> Yeah, no power anything, no A/C, no radio, etc.  Top of the line Accord
>costs $20,000 loaded, Prelude costs $24,000 (Si 4ws loaded), top of the
>line Integra GS-R costs $22,000.  The prices of Honda's are getting out
>of hand...

Are these U.S. prices or Canadian prices?  The price of a top-line civic
in canada is about 18000 Canadian = 15000 U.S., the price of an Integra GS-R
is 21000 Canadian = 17500 U.S., the price of a Prelude Si 4ws is 24000 
Canadian = 20000 U.S. 

Your prices seem awfully inflated;  and I've checked at many dealers in
several provinces over the past 6 months.

Andrew
alavigne@bnr.ca
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From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: Re: Alfa vs. the world (was Re: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Originator: gcagle@dracula
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 20:30:23 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <laa4olINNpto@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
|> 
|> For example, it is quite obvious
|> that the 924 was a response to (and near copy of) the Alfetta and the 
|> 944 was a response to (and near copy of) the GTV6.
|>  

Huh? I guess this wasn't obvious to me.

- Greg
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From: sahul@gloworm.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul)
Subject: Re: Strike at Saturn?
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: su
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:15:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.035447.15270@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.164502.26612@midway.uchicago.edu>
|> ar12@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|> >I just heard some bits & pieces about a strike at Saturn- what's the scoop?
|> >Once again the UAW rears its ugly head-eh? While we're on the topic let me
|> >say that the situation discusts me- regardless of who people want to put the
|> >blame on for the decline of the American auto industry (polititians, the
|> >Japanese, Management, etc.) the truth is that a large part (if not the
|> >majority) of the blame lies with the UAW, and if the reason isn't self
|> >...
|> 
|> Really?
|> 
|> Mr. Andre, where's your G*d d*mn horn when the Japanese are forcing
|> the prices of vehicles like the Pontiac Grand Am to be jacked up
|> by 100% over the USA price?  I rarely, if ever, see any arguing that
|> the pricing system in Japan should be made fair.
|> 
|> By the way, where's your G*d d*mn horn when the Japanese laugh
|> at the inscription on the head of the Statute of Liberty because
|> they think that it's a joke?  You know.  "...send us your tired, your
|> poor, your wretched refuse from your teaming shores..."
|> 


We should keep in mind that the US auto makers were never a major
selling force in Japan.  The US auto makers are not doing badly 
because they cannot sell cars in Japan.  They are doing badly because
they cannot sell cars in the US.  

Why don't our cars measure up?  Is it because the Japanese tax our
cars?  Is it because the Japanese make fun of our symbols?  Think
about it.  You will conclude it is because we don't do as good as
a job as the Japanese do in building cars.  One can certainly
blame the UAW, upper management at GM, George Bush or the Congress
for the poor quality of our cars.  But blaming the Japanese for our
failings is pretty stupid.  



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From: yhcrana@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Karl Brown)
Subject: Re: Timing Belts on Small Cars
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:59:47 GMT

snively@scsi.Eng.Sun.COM (Bob Snively) writes:


>I have lately been approached by both the Honda service people 
>that work on my 89 Civic and the Toyota service people that work on
>my '84 Corolla to replace timing belts somewhere between 
>60 and 100 thousand miles.  Costs over $300.  Sounds to me 
>like service padding.

I have a 1980 Fiat Spider, and the mechanics I've talked to suggest
replacing the timing belt every 30,000 miles. 

>Does anyone have real numbers on the statistics of timing
>belt failures and the actual consequences to the motors that
>would help guide me on this question?

All I know is that on older cars, if the timing belt fails you could
crack a valve, but most newer cars have some sort of safety feature to
prevent this.  Nonetheless, it is a service that needs to be done,
IMHO.

>Please reply directly as well as through the news group.

>Many thanks,

>Bob Snively

--karl
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From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:14:44 GMT
Reply-To: ahill@boi.hp.com
Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Please keep this horseshit in alt.conspiracy where it belongs.
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From: minnebo@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brian P. Minnebo)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Dealer.
Summary: Not my experience at all
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:54:07 GMT

In article <10243@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> philw@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Philip W White) writes:
>I've only bought one new car in my life, but I used dealer financing
>and would much rather have used bank or credit union.  Even if the

The only advantage I see with outside financing (after bargaining is
done with) is you still get the rebate.  The rebate usually does not
apply with dealer financing.

>2. Getting a payoff amount was an exercise in masochism.  Apparently
>  one person sat in a office somewhere with one phone.  While she
>  was working on a payoff omount for a caller, the phone was off-
>  hook.  She was real busy.  I must have called 20 times before
>  the phone actually rang.  Maybe the car dealers and banks used
>  a different phone number with some responsiveness at the other end?

This has not been my experience with Chrysler Credit at all.  I've had
two loans from them, and in both cases the loan office had the phone
number printed on each and every payment coupon.  I frequently call
for payoff numbers (about every three months I feel ambitious and 
think I can pay them off).  I've never been on the phone for more than
3-5 minutes, and have always gotten a payoff value (valid for about
20 days).  

Contrast that to the bank where my wife works,  If I ask for a pay off,
it's only good till 3PM that same day (talk about having to rush to
the bank).  They won't (can't?) give my a payoff number for some
arbitrary day in advance (like the next day).

>This was from Chrysler in about 1987.

One loan was from 88 to 92, second was from 89 to yesterday.

>Would I have been out of line to have asked for copies of all
>relevant paperwork BEFORE I was asked to sign on the dotted line?
>So I could take them home, have my lawyer look 'em over, etc.?

nope (IMHO)

>Would I have been out of line to ask for the payoff amount
>phone number BEFORE signing any paperwork on the loan?
>Then I could try it for responsiveness.... ?

nope (IMHO), although this is unnecessay in my experience.

>Not just Chrysler.  I had a friend who underpaid by less than 10
>cents on a Ford payment, and had the office threatening an
>infantry assault against his credit rating (circa 1982).

Only problem I ever had was when they applied both (idiviual) payments
to one loan, and wanted to know why I hadn't made the payment on the
second loan.

>      Phil White   Tektronix, Beaverton, OR
>USENET:  philip.w.white@tek.COM
> US Mail: Mail Stop 59-432, P.O. Box 500, Beaverton OR 97077-0001

Brian
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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Chevy Heads
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:21:28 GMT


I just got my order in for, a chevy alum. 4 bolt short block.  It included
pistons that should give ,me 12:1 compression with 67 cc heads, and a cam
that is 292 degree by 302 degree.  Noe I have to pick my new heads, my 
selection is 
Brodix track I   @1245.00
Bordix race ready 1649.50
Brodix street    @989.00
Eldelbrock       @999.00
Dart II           999.95

Any one having pro or con info on any of these please send me E-Mail.
Dennis


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From: earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Best type of wipers?


Just as another voice against tripple blade wipers, I bought a pair and
while they appear to work well durring the summer when it is hot and the
rubber is more pliable, when it gets cold, they get stif, and to top it off, the
groves in the blades catch wet snow.  Pretty soon my blades become blobs
of ice and arn't worth a darn.  In my opinion, these are NOT safe blades!!


Dave Early
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