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From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Northgate keyboard utility programs?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:51:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b63519.student.cwru.edu

I just got my new Northgate OmniKey/ULTRA in the mail. This is definately 
the _nicest_ keyboard I have ever used! The instructions mention some 
software utilities that can be used with the keyboard, and says that they 
can be ordered from Northgate or downloaded from CompuServe. I'm too cheap 
to pay the $7.50 to order them :-), and I don't have CompuServe, so does 
anyone know if these have been uploaded to any FTP site anywhere?

Thanks!

I love this keyboard!!!!!!!!!
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| Damien Neil | dpn2@po.cwru.edu | Case Western Reserve University |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal)
Subject: Good speakers for SoundBlaster?  Please recommend.
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:46:07 GMT

I just purchased a SoundBlaster v2.0, and I want to buy some speakers for it.

I did buy a pair of $30 Koss speakers, but they were not good.  When you
plugged them in and turned them on, they emitted a not-so-quite "hum"/"buzz"
that was quite annoying.

Please recommend *any* speakers that are available in stores for less than
$200.

Finally, is it important to get "computer-specific" speakers? (ie-ones that
are shielded and such)

Thank you.
From: frederic@cs.unc.edu (Robin Fredericksen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Gateway experience (positive to date!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:27:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: borg.17578
Distribution: usa

In article <743@wavefront.wti.com>, hb@wavefront.wti.com (H.B. Siegel) writes:
|> Since there has been both positive and negative stuff flowing
|> through the net about Gateway, I thought I'd my two bits and
|> state:
|> 
|> 1) I ordered a 486-66V (isa) with a 17" Nanao 550i & Telepath, Sept 21st.
|> 	It arrived October 21st.  I changed my mind about getting a tower case,
|> 	while the system was in Q/A.  They caught it and updated me to a tower
|> 	case.  I also added a CD-ROM to my order at the last minute, which
|> 	they didn't catch.  (Just as well - I'm still investigating that
|> 	technology).
|> 2) System arrived intact, ready-to-run, right out the box.
|> 	Didn't even need to reseat the cards.
|> 3) Systems has performed reliably for 3 weeks now (since arrival)
|> 	a) Very occasional extraneously line on the display (due to early
|> 	video drivers?  
|>  b) One mysterious lockup during a game.
|>  c) I can't get 1280x1024x16 video to work.  It is possible, isn't it?

The ATI Ultra Pro, as Gateway ships it, has the 68830 RAMDAC with 1Mb of memory.
That RAMDAC won't do 64k colors, nor will it do 1280x1024x16 with only 1Mb
of memory.  Nor will that RAMDAC, apparently, do 1280x1024 NI *AT ALL*.

|> 4) Telepath modem works as advertised 
|> 	(at least up to 12k baud, I haven't gotten 14.4k to work yet).
|> 5) Tech support on the modem wasn't too helpful.
|> 
|> 		H.B.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: harp@martha.utcc.utk.edu (harp)
Subject: Re: Distribution Mach32 drivers for GW2000 486-66V SUCK! (Was: Re: Gateway experience (positive to date!))
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:06:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.083546.4468@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.141633.4847@walter.cray.com> dpp@cray.com writes:
>>
>>I just bought a Gateway 486-66V myself and have noticed two very fine
>>horizontal lines running across my monitor (Mitsubishi Diamond Pro
>>17).  They are there continuously, not intermittantly.  I had assumed
>>the monitor was at fault, since the lines look identical using 640x480
>>and 1024x768 modes.  Does anyone know if the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro
>>drivers cause this problem, and if so, is the problem addressed in the
>>new drivers?
>

These are lines inherent in trinotron monitors.  It is a trinotron, right?
These lines aren't something to worry about.  If I kept up on the exact
technical jargon, I could explain them.  I only know that they are some
sort of guide wires that the monitor uses.

>Unfortunately, it didn't take me much time to figure out that the
>distribution Mach32 drivers he was using SUCK, SUCK, SUCK!!!  So my
>guess is that it's the driver's fault. For the time being, I set him
>back to a standard VGA driver. Change to the vanilla VGA driver under
>Windows Setup under Control Panel under Main and see what happens.
>Performance might not be that great with this driver but it seemed
>stable to me.

I was able to reconfigure my Father's Gateway 486DX/66V with the crystal
fonts 1024x768x256 and everything seemed to work better.  You may not have
to go all the way back to the vanilla VGA.  If the crystal font stuff
doesn't work, there is always the VESA compatible 800x600x16 that comes
with the windows disks.

>This brings up the question: WHAT'S THE POINT OF THESE MACH32 DRIVERS
>ANYWAY?!? Didn't I read on this group (in just the last day or so)
>that someone has uploaded working ones to somewhere. I'm gonna go
>check cica but in the meantime, but please e-mail me if you've
>written, or know of, reliable drivers that take advantage of this
>card's capabilities.
>
>-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
>               CompuServe:  70402,3020
>               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266

According to what I've heard from Gateway, there is a file on their BBS
called ATILB43.EXE that is supposed to fix the print cutting off letters
problem while running the mach32 driver.  I have also heard from one person
who reinstalled his HP LJIIP driver after he had installed the mach32
driver and he said that his problem disappeared.  I haven't tried this yet,
but I plan to. (Couldn't yet because the BBS is down until Wed.)

You are very right in saying WHAT'S THE POINT OF THESE MACH32 DRIVERS?  As
I've said before, the Ultra Pro could push 5 BILLION winmarks, but it
doesn't mean anything unless we can use it.  The way the Mach32 drivers are
now, they are unusable. EVERYONE has to print at some point.  Let's just
hope that Ati fixes the problems.

Sean Harp
University of Tennessee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ag735@yfn.ysu.edu (Etienne Tasse)
Subject:  Need Hard Disk, Controller, Floppy, Optical HELP? Read This
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:59:22 GMT



You can get TheRef - an online reference manual for HDs, Floppies and
their controllers from a BBS in New York:

(315) 245-3815  Username:  THEREF ONLINE   Psw: FALBO

And ask for THEREF??.ZIP (latest is 4.2)
From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 and ATI Technologies - The sc
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:12:12 GMT
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article 92Nov17181005@onion.cmu.edu, gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes:
>Here's what I have been able to piece together:
>
>First the bad news:
>
>Gateway 2000 has been shipping their computers with the ATI Ultra Pro
>(local bus) with the ATI68830 RAMDAC and 1 MB VRAM.  This RAMDAC can
>not produce 1280x1024 graphics.
>
>Now the good news:
>
>[From ATI Technologies, (416) 756-0718, Brett at x269]:
>The ATI68830 RAMDAC can not handle 2 MB of VRAM.  For the higher
>resolutions, you need the ATI68875 RAMDAC.  This will be available
>from ATI for user upgrade starting in December.  The price is not yet
>set, but it shouldn't exceed $100 US.  The 1 MB VRAM upgrade is
>available now for $99 US.  Expect to pay an additional $10 US for
>shipping and handling.
>
>[From Gateway 2000, (800) 523-2000, Lane Johnson]:
>Next week, Gateway will start shipping the ATI68875 RAMDAC in the
>graphics card.  This will be the standard item and pricing is not
>expected to change.


Is Gateway going to offer an upgrade to those of us who have the 68830
RAMDAC model?  After all, this thing was advertised as a full-blown
ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, which is able to do 1280x1024 and handle 2 megs
of VRAM.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
Subject: Ramifications of changing BIOS's?
Keywords: bios motherboard system
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:29:30 GMT

I recently wrote to this newsgroup asking how to detect my PC's
bus speed. The only solid answer that was forthcoming was that certain
versions of the AMI BIOS have a variable you can set which divides the
CPU clock to obtain the bus clock.

My AMI BIOS doesn't have this feature. I have an ASUS motherboard
manufactured in Taiwan, using the SIS chipset. I'd like to know
how easy it is to upgrade your BIOS... can you simply buy the latest
one from AMI and plug it in, or is it customized to the board?

Does anyone have any experience with this?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Bernoulli and memory...
From: djlewis@ualr.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:48:56 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <92321.183419JD2859A@auvm.american.edu>, Jeff Dubin <JD2859A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> I've got a gateway2000 w/ 120meg HD which is 110% filled...
> Would a bernoulli box be a good purchase?  And moer importantly, does the
> computer see it as just another drive or does one need TSRs and the like?
> Second, I need memory (70ns) - cheap - reliable, but cheap.  Anyone have a fav
> supplier of mem (and bernoulli drives as well?)  Thanks...  Sorry if this is
> too commercial.  Just looking for a good deal.
> ---
> 
> =========================================================================
> Jeff Dubin                          "I hate people... people make me
> jd2859a@american.edu                    pro-nuclear"
> jdubin@world.std.com                          -M Smith
> "Someone shot nostalgia in the back... Someone shot our innocence" -Bauhaus
I like but can't afford (as yet) the new bernoulli drive. It is an internal
and it is SCSI. I believe there will be a tsr. The good view point is that
for a backup you can use a compress mode and backup up to 180 meg I believe.
When it is'nt backing up, unplug the cart plugin another and you have a spare
90 meg 19ms harddrive. There can be a real advantage to such an expensive
removeable harddrive (cartridge). The worst drawback I know of is the $90.00
apiece carts. Hey, it comes with one.
Don Lewis
djlewis@ualr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: root@encore.com (root)
Subject: MAG 15" monitors - are users really happy with them?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:33:18 GMT

I'm considering getting a MAG 15" flat screen monitor.

Can anyone tell me if the picture is truely square, without pinchushion,
barrel, keystone and other distortions?

Is the phosphor even, i.e is there dark or lighter patches when you look at
a red, blue, green or white screen?

Is the sharpness good all the way to the corners?  

Can you easily read 1280*1024 windows fonts in the corners?

Thanks for your inputs.


Regards,
Mike palmer
Telephone: (305) 797-2326 (W)   (305) 7546-3146 (H)
From: buccim@newton.hartwick.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: LAPTOPS
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:04:48 -0500
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE



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From: scott@unixland.natick.ma.us (Scott Evernden)
Subject: uping a 33 to 66 MHz
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:40:54 GMT

I've got an original AMI Voyager 486/33 and was thinking about swapping
out the CPU for a 66 mHz model.  I've not seen much (any?) discussion
about folks doing this.  Any experiences, pitfalls, other problems with
this sort of modification?  What are these chips going for $$ and where?

-scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones)
Subject: Re: MAG 17
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:02:39 GMT

In article <burleigh.721860659@ogre> burleigh@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Frank Burleigh) writes:
>In <1992Nov15.034621.21404@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>>msfuller@cc.utah.edu (MARC S. FULLER) writes:
>
>>Marc,
>>I have this monitor for a few months and it's excellent. I would definetely
>>recommend it to anyone who wants a good monitor. According to PC Magazine, it
>>is better that the NEC, and it goes for a better price.
>
>>I run it with a 486/50DX with 16 Megabyte RAM and OS/2 and I love it.
>
>Me too.  And I agree.  But has anyone noticed this?
>
>Whether the video card is in a graphics or text mode, the corners are
>just a tad darker than the rest of the screen.  So for example if you
>have a blue background, then the four corners will be just a tad
>darker shade of blue.
>
>I also notice that if I have a white background and dark text, there's
>a bit of a shadow of the text to the right of the text.  I'm thinking
>that I didn't see these shadows until I borrowed a friend's cheapo VGA
>card (could a video card do that?  I hope so, else this post is one big
>contradiction!;-)).
>
>

I don't have the shadow effect but have noticed higher brightness centrally
than at the edges. This is only apparent with a uniform screen. The eye
is not particularly good at seeing brightness differences in the absence
of contours so it is not particulary troublesome.


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From: chrisg@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Chris Granitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Hidden Refresh (was Re: 3 chip vs 9 chip SIMMS)
Keywords: SIMMS, Hidden Refresh
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:48:19 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Nov20.175510.3441@leland.Stanford.EDU> wkn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ken Neighbors) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.152110.24880@concurrent.co.uk> nnw@concurrent.co.uk (Neil Watson) writes:
>>Anyway, bouquet of the day goes to Robert Tashjian (tashjian@netcom.com)
>>who suggested checking if the BIOS supported Hidden Refresh or Slow
>
>I just took out my 8 1MB SIMMs and installed 4 4MB SIMMs (upgraded from
>8MB to 16).  I had to disable "Hidden Refresh" to get them to work.  My
>This sounds like my system isn't going to run as fast as it use to.  What
>kind of performance hit does this produce?  (I've got a 486/33 with 64K
>external cache.)
>
>Thanks
>Ken

     It probably won't run as fast. I ran into this situation when I was
benchmarking systems for my new machine. I got two different results on
the same basic machine at different stores. When I finally got my system home
and played around with the BIOS settings I was able to get the same results.
The machine ran faster with Hidden Refresh enabled. Incidently, I just added
another Meg of Ram to my machine (4 qty 256k x 9 SIMMS) and ran into the
telltale Parity error problems. I decided to risk turning Parity Checking off
in the setup. I've been running it like this ever since. Time will tell if
it will cause an ugly error. 

     --Chris Granitz  chrisg@verdi

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: EISA vs Local Bus
Keywords: EISA vs Local Bus
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:22:32 GMT

In <dalessio.722208366@graphite20> dalessio@rtsg.mot.com (Mario D'Alessio) writes:

>This probably was discussed many time already, so please
>bear with me.

>From what I know, EISA is a 32 bit bus capable of running
>at 33Mhz. 

No.  It runs at 8.33 MHz with a 1-cycle transaction time, for a
throughput of 33 MB/s.

>A local bus is capable of running at the speed of
>the processor. So, if I get a 486DX-50, a local bus should
>be able to run at 50MHz, right?

From what I've been told, local bus isn't allowed to run faster than
33 MHz, so a 486-50DX localbus machine is going to be just somewhat
'non-standard'.  I don't know how many clocks per transaction local
bus requires (I would expect it to be 1, but maybe not), so it's hard
to say how much faster than EISA it would be -- my guess would be from
2 to 4 times the burst transfer rates, but that's just a guess.

>So, why is EISA so much more expensive? What does EISA give
>me that local bus can't?

More than 2 bus-master cards, DMA without having the CPU intimately
involved, shared interrupts.  If you are looking at running DOS, you
don't need EISA.  If you are putting together a multi-user server or a
machine to do a lot of multi-tasking database work on, it would
probably be a net win as far as performance went.

Just keep in mind that the more stuff you hang on the CPU bus, the
more of the CPU time you have to 'steal' to get things done.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: esaffle@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ed Saffle)
Subject: Conner IDE jumpers
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:19:23 GMT

 Hi!  I am looking for the jumper settings for the Conner CP3000
IDE hard disk.  If anybody knows them, could you please send them to me?
Also, if anyone knows where I can find collections of info files
that contain settings for different drives could you give me pointers to that
also?  I have one for some of the seagates, but that is all...anything else
would be very helpful.  NEver know what drive I'll find next.

Ed	(esaffle@gmuvax2.gmu.edu)
From: ee152fbw@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Itoyoko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Diamond 24X vs. Stealth
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:51:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov23.070327.14734@cs.uwp.edu> singer@cs.uwp.edu (Scott Singer) writes:
>The 24x is said to be as fast (maybe faster) then the TSENG4000 based
>boards when it comes to DOS - remember, the TSENG4000 is usually
>considered the fastet DOS chip, but it is slow in Windows.  The stealth is
>just the opposite, and the 24x is fastest in both. 
>
I've owned a couple tseng boards and a 24x, I can say that the 24x
is faster than the orchid prodesigner2s, and slower than the
genoa7900 in dos, but the range is only about 15%, however lots of
dos software that can use high speed graphics (animation packages)
don't yet have drivers for the 24x.  While the 24x draws quickly
in windows, screen writes which don't use the accel functions
(like moving a big 24bit TGA inside a graphics package that's bigger
than the screen size) don't seem to benefit from bitblt, even though
for example I move a picture by slide bars, but half the picture is
merely moved across the screen, whereas moving a whole window is
fast seems to defeat the point of upgrading for me; I work with
picture publisher in full screen, I slide a scroll bar and the Genoa
is just as fast as the 24x...

IY
From: nazareth@malibu.janet.ucla.edu (Sean F. Nazareth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Ati Ultra Pro problems
Keywords: Ati Ultra Pro
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:08:22 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

I have the ATI ULTRA PRO in a G2K 66v machine and the DJ 500.  I have found that it is possiible to print properly if you use ATM fonts (That is if you have
ATM and fonts).  It seems that the problem is with the video driver and the
TrueType fonts.

Hope this helps.

Sean
From: stefan@stanny.GUN.de (Stefan Haefs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 386DX40, what speed SIMMs? 80ns ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:03:49 GMT

You can use 80ns simms when you set 2/3 waitstates in the Bios!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Will a 386-33 run on 150 watts???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:37:45 GMT

linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) writes:
>I suggest you check  out the power good signal first. 150 Watt should be
>enough if you have no fancy devices installed. you'd be safer with 200
>Watt though.
*----
It's worth noting that MANY new machines are shipped with 85 w. supplies
and this is sufficient for most of them, assuming you are using modern
disk drives, etc.  Bigger isn't always better - switching supplies need
a certain minimal current drawn from the primary output in order to
regulate properly.  Too big a power supply, and you'll have problems.
In some old machines, I've actually had to install dummy resistors to
draw power when replacing ancient peripherals with modern ones.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gisie@wam.umd.edu (Satan)
Subject: ATI GU Pro Price/Availability
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:52:00 GMT

My local distributor(s) either dont carry ATI products
or they are back ordered on the GUP for a month!

What are some mail order places that have this card
in stock and what is the pricing?

I also have an electronics company that can use their
id to get computer parts at cost...What distributors
are carrying?

Last, owners of this card - How do you like it so far?
I saw an ad for The #9Gxe card from Number Nine. I
have never heard of them, but they claim 40 Million
WinMarks at 1024x768x256 on a 486/33 using the new S3
chip... Anyone have any info on this baby???

Thanks,
Tim

-- 
gisie@wam.umd.edu
"How will these windows affect my final document?"
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: MAG 15" monitors - are users really happy with them?
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:25:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: sfu.1992Nov23.082506.15642
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

> >       I wasn't that happy with the monitor I just bought 2 weeks a
> >think the image is sharp enough, I should have paid $50.00 more to 
> >NEC. I bought it because most of the people seems to have good opio
> >But I won't spend my money on them again. I used it with Speedstar 
> 
> >display is not exactly that stable (you can noticed it when the bac
> >white), and for that kind of money I paid ?
 
I'd just like to add that I believe there are two versions of the MAG
available.  One uses a trinitron tube and the other uses something
another tube which isn't as good.  If it's a trinitron tube, if you
look closely you'll see a cross on the screen.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jin@cs.arizona.edu (Yu Jin Thio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 486DX -33 chip...any markings on it? Quick advice needed.
Date: 22 Nov 92 07:54:23 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Someone is offering to sell a 486dx chip for $150. He says that there
are no speed markings on it. I just wanted to know if that is correct
in the case of the 486DX cpus. I think that its a good price, but am I
getting the real thing?

Please advise quickly, thanks you.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware