From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:13:13 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug25.193549.2086@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.170101.3480@Princeton.EDU> muyu@burn.Princeton.EDU (Muyu  
>Guo) writes:
>> From article <1992Aug25.143807.12175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by  
>mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha):
>> > In article <1992Aug24.104235.28567@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yidao@cae.wisc.edu  
>(Yidao Cai) writes:
>> >>In article <1992Aug24.131954.27915@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>Don't you have any stronger evidence to support the the claim that "the
>> >>>Chinese treat the Tibetans better than they treat themselves"?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>       Here I am not going to give an answer to your question, I just want
>> >>to provide you some infomation
>> >>       1. If you visit Putala Palace in Lasa, you would see the skins of  
>the
>> >>slaves still hanging behind the seat Dalai Lama used to sit.
>> >>
>> > 
>> > 	That strikes you as pretty strong evidence, doesn't it? Did it ever
>> > cross your mind that maybe, just *maybe*, the CCP put those skins there?
>> > 
>> > 	You remember Lei Feng, don't you?
>> > 
>> > 	"Lei Feng was a conscript who died at the age of twenty in a banal
>> > accident. Only after his death was it discovered what a humble and  
>admirable
>> > pupil of Mao Zedong he had been during his short and hidden life. His ideal
>> > had been 'to be a small cog in the machine' working for the party and 
>> > Chairman Mao. The biography of Lei Feng had some strange variants before  
>the
>> > definitive version was prepared by the writers of the Propaganda Department
>> > in 1964. 'Lei Feng Exhibitions' were organized in the large cities,
>> > *simultaneously* showing many 'original' copies of the hero's diary. These
>> > exhibitions also showed remarkable photographic documents, such as 'Lei  
>Feng
>> > helping an old woman to cross the street,' 'Lei Feng secretly [sic] doing
>> > his comrades' washing,' 'Lei Feng giving his lunch to a comrade who forgot
>> > his lunch box,' and so forth. Only cynical and impious spirits will wonder
>> > at the providential presence of a photographer during the various incidents
>> > in the life of that humble, hitherto unknown soldier."
>> > 
>> > --Simon Leys, "Chinese Shadows", pp.80-81.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Do you buy the Lei Feng story, too? Or just the Dalai Lama story?
>> > 
>> 
>> Bias is worse than ignorance, as the old saying goes. I would also
>> say, knowing little about China with preoccupied thoughts is worse
>> than knowing nothing about China.  The Lei Feng thing and the
>> Dalai Lama are completely irrelevent matters, with very very
>> different context and implication.  The author of above post seems
>> have little or no idea about how huge and complex China really is.
>> China is a world by itself. You must see and live there to know
>> what it really is. Simple minded stereotyping is the easiest and
>> most misleading thing for an outsider to do, unfortunately.
>> 
>> -- 
>> --
>> Muyu Guo
>
>
>I am not sure whether the skins were put by CCP or not. But one thing is clear.   
>In China, if the government says something, it is really difficult to get the  
>evidence to support the opposite side. Only history can prove later. This is  
>the power and skill of control of CCP government. We have to admit that the CCP  
>government is good at fool its people. .
>
>Remember TAM incident? I guess you have to agree with me that what the CCP  
>government said is not the truth. But several months later, my relatives in  
>China wrote to me that some (even many) Chinese thought that rebels were at  
>least partialy responsible for the incident. Do you know the reason? Those  
>Chinese did not live in Beijing and they did not actually see the incident.  
>Gradually, they were probably brainwashed.
>
>I feel it not so easy to believe that the PLA forced to monks and nuns to have  
>sex. We can not just simply believe stories from one side. But we also should  
>not blindly reject them. At least I know a true story that happened during the  
>Culture Revolution. A group of Red Guards went to a temple in Jiangxi Province  
                                                   * *******

Hi, Boy, as I Know there is no "a temple" in which monks and nuns can live 
together in Jiangxi. Does such thing exist in Tibet? BTW if you want to 
make some stories anymore, get some background first.








>and re-educate the monks and nuns. They DID force them to abandon their  
>religion and live "normal men and women's lives". They DID force some of them  
>to marry each other. Most of them surrendered. One monk jumped off a cliff and  
>died.
>
>The incident I mentioned above might just be and isolated event. The point here  
>is when we are accusing somebody of being brainwashed, have we ever thought  
>that we might also be brainwashed.
>
>Carl
>