HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization (apple.2gs/aux)
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:42:16 GMT
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400

alanc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Coopersmith) writes:
>gberigan@cse.unl.edu wrote:
>)bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>>>And it also allows for comp.unix.apple2gs.

>>Actually, it seems to lean more to comp.unix.apple2.gs (ala splitting
>>the PS2 from the IBM).

>Or it might allow for:
>        comp.unix.apple.2gs
>        comp.unix.apple.aux

Well, I'm not sure, but there may be systems out there hooked up to
USENET that still can't handle having a non-alphabetic character at the
start of a directory.  Anyone know about the old stuff?

>(Although I doubt the gno and A/UX products really have enough in common to
>get stuck together in their own seperate heirarchy...and it might be seen as
>implying that gno, like A/UX, is a product of Apple Inc....)

I'd like to mention that I'd rather not see the apple2gs proposal added
directly into this comp.unix.* reorg.  Such a vote element would have
less of a likelyhood of passing than if it were in its own seperate
proposal, brought back to discussion after the vote for the comp.unix.*
reorg finishes.

>Alan Coopersmith			Internet: alanc@ocf.berkeley.edu
>University of California, Berkeley	Bitnet:   alanc@UCBOCF.BITNET

On moving comp.unix.* to comp.os.unix.*, there currently isn't a clean
method of grafting a tree onto another tree in USENET.  The current
thinking would require a vote for each and every group in the source
tree to have its own individual vote for renaming it, which is
ridiculous.  Everyone would vote yes on everything or no on everything
in such a case, and those who would vote yes on some and no on others
on such a move are just out to damage the resulting group.

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
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From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.virtual-worlds.apps
Date: 30 Jul 1992 23:23:54 GMT

From the amount of traffic  in sci.virtual-worlds, I see no reason to divide
the group. Why do you believe that there needs to be a split? Why is the
basic group not acceptable?



-- 
Richard H. Miller                 Email: rick@bcm.tmc.edu
Asst. Dir. for Technical Support  Voice: (713)798-3532
Baylor College of Medicine        US Mail: One Baylor Plaza, 302H
                                           Houston, Texas 77030
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From: bogstad@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:30:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.082706.819@news.uni-stuttgart.de> andreas@awstar.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Andreas Wierse) writes:
>...
>I agree to these groups with the exception of bugs: ...

	Just to get my bit in.  I agree and sent email to the person running
the RFD.

				Bill Bogstad

Xref: sparky news.groups:16099 comp.unix.sysv386:12500
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:20:03 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <14q9hvINNgbd@smaug.West.Sun.COM>, Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:

| But that it just what Merge does (I haven't looked at the internals of
| VP/ix, so I can't say for certain what it does).  Your code (DOS) executes
| an outb instruction.  But the instruction is not executed by the hardware.

  Several people have tried to explain this before, but you are missing
the point. The instruction can be executed by hardware, and in most
cases (talking to a standard device) *is* talking directly to the
hardware without restrictions.

  You can configure additional ports as available to merge programs,
I've done it to allow a scanner to talk to a program using a bizarre
interface card. There's a bitmap for ports permitted and programs in
8086 mode talk to the ports when needed.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
	It never ceases to amaze me that otherwise rational people, able to
	understand calculus, compound interest, and the income tax form, can
	continue to believe that poker is a game of chance.
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:05:14 GMT

In article <2A768CD8.4F94@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar):
>>I prefer the names
>>comp.unix.ibm.pc.16bit
>>comp.unix.ibm.pc.32bit

>Does anyone think this proposal particularly (un)worthy?

Sounds good, but:

comp.unix.ibm.aix	(was comp.unix.aix)

is a sort of inevitable consequence... and implies that comp.unix split
up along the comp.sys lines...

PERSONALLY, I'd like to split comp.sys into "comp.pc.{apple,ibm,amiga,mac,...}"
and "comp.sys.{sun,dec,ibm,...}.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
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From: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian Diantonio)
Subject: NEW GROUP !
Originator: bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:14:08 GMT


You can come up with an appropriate name.
It is NOT REC.GAMES.FRP.(ANY OF THESE) OR ALT.PUB.DRAGONS-INN
PLEASE LISTEN TO ME...

[a] it will not be a place to list petty differences of the
Stone skin spell.  I will appreciate your DM's right
to modify whatever rules he sees fit.
[b] the Beasitary, Magic spells, and etc. will be in a read able
form so anyone that wants to can contribute his own piece
via E-Mail to that item's caretake (me for now) or posting
APPEND: 's.
[c] I haven't seen any ads for DM'S or players of certains area's
in any of the rec.games.frp.(whatever)'s.  Have you?

I think my newgroup idea would accompany those other groups
very nicely.
Anyone else agree with me on that?
-Mark DiAntonio
bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu

Keywords:
From: gdelong@ctron.com (Gary Delong)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:48:50 GMT
Reply-To: gdelong@ctron.com (Gary Delong)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

In article <1992Jul22.205109.15622@wpi.WPI.EDU> mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
[MUCH DELETED]
>	only because i go by the same measure do i request the people
>	that presented the charter to make clear to me in what manner
>	h-d motorcycling is exclusive of general motorcycling.
[MORE DELETED]
>	happy riding,
>
>	- ravi

I think the above may be a key argument to many.  I would answer it
in the same way I answer those who ask me why I ride: "If you have
to ask, you wouldn't understand."

Enough already, vote early, vote often.    8-) [for the humor impaired]

Ride Safe
--Gary

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From: rcg@delphi.dseg.ti.com (bob gibbons)
Subject: Re: Ideas on how to split rec.aviation
Organization: Texas Instruments
	<l79lliINN2oa@cronkite> <1992Jul28.212613.20618@news.iastate.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:10:27 GMT


   In article <l79lliINN2oa@cronkite> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes:


   >
   >   How do the glider and sailplane  folks feel about being penned in  with
   >   the Hang/Para/Balooning folks?
   >

No problem, so long as the name of the group remains x.soaring. I would
no more approve of x.unpowered than the power pilots would approve of
rec.noisy.

--
Bob Gibbons				Texas Instruments
Internet: rcg@delphi.dseg.ti.com	Dallas, TX
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From: carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Carl Devore)
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Summary: by type, not by vendor
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:28:16 GMT

I, also, am opposed to breaking it up into m.f.c.ibm, m.f.c.apple, etc.  I'd
rather see
   m.f.c.complete-systems
   m.f.c.printers
   m.f.c.modems
   m.f.c.diskdrives
   etc.
From: loren@nokomis.mn.org (Loren D. Cahlander)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:13:50 GMT
Organization: My home machine

In article <2A768CD8.4F94@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar):
>>I prefer the names
>>comp.unix.ibm.pc.16bit
>>comp.unix.ibm.pc.32bit
>
>I hadn't thought of that possibility.
>
>Does anyone think this proposal particularly (un)worthy?
>-- 
>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
>   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
> compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt


How about:

comp.unix.intel.pc.16bit
comp.unix.intel.pc.32bit

Lets leave ibm out of this!
-- 
Loren D. Cahlander           |             Internet: loren@nokomis.mn.org
UNIX Users of Minnesota      |   Alternate Internet: uum-president@mn.org
P.O. Box 47804               |                Phone: +1 612 450 6246
Plymouth, MN  55447-0804     |
From: jacobus@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan J. Maloney)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: APPEND: rec.games.frp.guides
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:47:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Jul21.204255.24035@ulowell.ulowell.edu> bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian Diantonio) writes:
>[a] Adventure skeletons
>A section where people place ideas for adventures to others.  The plot
>encounters, villians, etc.  can all be left for others to use in thier
>campaigns.


Gee, this fits into rec.games.frp.misc, if you only have one, and it fits
PERFECTLY into rec.games.frp.archives if you have several.  In fact, it
even makes sense to put just one into rec.games.frp.archives, since it
could then be picked up by any net *.book builders.


>[b]  Adventuring Guild
>List of NPC's or possible quick PC's for use in campaigns

Again I say, rec.games.frp.archives.

Do you even know what that group is?
>[c] Villians Cave
>A group of the nastiest Villians you ever fought.  For campaigns in
>all lands.
>


Rec.games.frp.archives is where this fits, it's where every idea you've
suggested so far fits.


>ADMIN:
>How Can I start the voting for ALL these items in my newsgroup.  I would
>like to start the voting in alt.pub.dragons-inn, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games,
>and the rec.games.frp groups.
>How can I tell these people about this new addition with out getting another
>62 letters of flame mail?

First, you can't just call a vote two or three days after a "proposal",
especially a proposal that has not been marked as an official RFD/CFD.
Second, do you really think that you can get at least 100 people to vote
in favor of your "new" groups, especially when the appropriate group
already exists?  Actually, you have to have at least 100 people vote in 
favor, and the margin of victory must be at least two to one.

If your initial suggestion has met nothing but hostility, perhaps you
should at least sit back and try to make it coherent.
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:59:47 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva):
>According to nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar):
>>comp.unix.ibm.pc.16bit
>>comp.unix.ibm.pc.32bit
>
>Sounds good, but:
>  comp.unix.ibm.aix	(was comp.unix.aix)
>is a sort of inevitable consequence... and implies that comp.unix split
>up along the comp.sys lines...

This objection was also made by one other person in E-Mail.
Ironically, it was to avoid just such confusion that I invented the
name "ibm-pc-arch" at the start.  So we have come full circle.  *sigh*

Harsh reality time: The most widely-used architectures that support
multiple UNIX versions is the IBM PC and its evolutionary descendants,
and the runners-up can't even be seen from the leader position.

I suppose I've been fooling myself to think that "c.u.ibm.ps2" would
ever exist.  The number of PS/2s is dwarfed by the number of PC
clones, and the percentage of PS/2s running UNIX is miniscule.  And
besides, if I'm proven wrong, it's not like "ibm-ps2-arch" is _that_
bad of a screaming horror.

So, since clarity is my first priority, "c.u.ibm-pc-arch.{16,36}bit"
is back.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:55:49 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:

> i continue to believe that h-d motorcycling is the same as jap (or
> other) bike motorcycling. 

Go to Sturgis and say that . . . and you'd better be smiling.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: An aside on INET...
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:30:43 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

If the INET groups aren't going to move to their own hierarchy, then I
suggest we start a JNET distribution.  After all, if some bunch of random
people with Internet connectivity can create apparently mainstream groups
without bothering with a vote, why shouldn't those of us out here in
UUCP-land be able to do the same?

If anyone's interested in taking up this idea, I suggest that we begin by
discussing the newsgroups which will be in the JNET distribution.  Here's my
initial list:

rec.sex
rec.sex.bondage
rec.music.rush
comp.sys.newton
sci.sceptic
rec.drugs
talk.politics.libertarian

Of course, it will be a terrible shame if the control messages to create the
groups accidentally leak out onto the net at large.


mathew
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From: bn050@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gwochyuan Chen)
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization <-- alternatives?
Reply-To: bn050@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gwochyuan Chen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 07:10:10 GMT


From the time I posted the first repsonse to the RFD about splitting
misc.forsale.computers, I've seen several personal and public reponses.   Most
of these point out that:

1. There are many other commands to read Usenet News, like tin, nn,
   Emacs, etc., and some of them do pretty much like what I've described.

No matter how you describe me, fine if you use out-of-date, let me remind
you that:

NOT ALL Usenet receiving sites have all the news-reading commands available.

For one, in my local area (using Cleveland Freenet does not mean that I have
to be living in Cleveland area), there's a Usenet News site.   They provide
only readnews/vn/rn/readnews.   I know some places are even worse, only one 
of the above is installed.

The responses echoed within the misc.forsale.computers about splitting up
have grown to too high that I don't see them all anymore.    But while
most of you scan through these complaint/suggestions, have you inquired
about

What command(s) do those who complain use in their systems while reading
articles?

Since we are not on the fair ground, i.e., the same availability of commands,
we need to conduct this decision more carefully, and scientifically.
Sometimes when we crunch on the computers, we simply forget the 'science'
part of it.

Why not make a questionnaire to those who complain?   Ask them

--- what system and command(s) they are using,
--- how the human interface can improve to make news-reading more efficient.

Analyze it, then we can weigh in all the choices.

Public repsonse is preferred.


-- 

Gwochyuan Chen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bn050@cleveland.freenet.edu
* Computers are your worst investment.  They lose money faster than life
  insurance, and you don't even have to die to lose it.   -- Russ Botton
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Vote counting for Soc.culture.tamil
Summary: Uh-oh..... Here come the boogie men!
Date: 19 Jul 92 18:34:16 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

[ Lots of inuendos and suspicions deleted for the sake of sanity ]

In article <BrCppF.DtE@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
> By the by the gateway server is from waterloo. Further there is node
> at Uni. Houston (Jetson) which is suspecious in its vote. I am trying to
> check out if tose who claim to have voted indeed voted! All that is
> required for someone to counterfiet votes is to be a superuser and then
> send in the votes. And fascists and terrorists are capable of doing that!

LOOK OUT KIDDIES! We're one step away from declaring this the work of
Nazis at which point the discussion MUST come to an end by Usenet rules.
Come to think of it, by simply SAYING the word I've ended the thread.
Guess that's that, eh?

BTW, why is it most disagreements regarding *anything* in the S.C.I.
area (and associated groups) eventually comes down to
blaming/accusing/calling-someone fascists and/or terrorists? Is it
something in the water?

-- 
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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:45:29 GMT

In article <2A6C1BAC.4F2A@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>Yes, this means that "c.u.usg.misc" has been dropped, so there is no
>home for System III.  I think that, given the small numbers of people
>using System III, that's not a great loss.

So add a comp.unix.sys3.

Or put it under comp.unix.xenix, since most existing System III sites are
Xenix.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
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From: rjkopp@newstand.syr.edu (Ray Kopp)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:51:49 EDT

I think the idea of a "scale models" group would be good.  Maybe many of the 
associated groups such as rec.models.railroad could feed into it as well.
  
Someone asked why create it and not just post to the same group as it 
appeared in (Rec.models.railroad).  The number one reason I can see is not
everyone has time to go through so many posts even if it's just to sort
through them.  There are other groups where this has happened and the groups
split and the result was that both groups grew and matured, this is almost
the case with rec.models.railroad and rec.railroad.  Since their split I 
find that the railfan type of group seems to have many more posts.
 
Many people would not be interested in reading some of the posts on model
cars, model trucks, model ships just to name a few.  I think it's a good
idea.

Ray Kopp
Internet: rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu
Bitnet: RJKOPP@SUVM.BITNET
Syracuse, New York
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization <-- alternatives?
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:54:10 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.16b 5/26/92 by Mikes Schwartz & Smith

In article <1992Jul29.070450.16589@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn050@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gwochyuan Chen) writes:
>
[zap- maybe you need a better newsreader]
>
>Gwochyuan Chen

The program I'm using, GRn, does everything that you talk about.  The only
thing it's lacking in it's current incarnation is killfiles.

I'm not sure that splitting misc.forsale.computers is the right thing to do;
my biggest problem is that everything in misc.forsale.computers is cross
posted to misc.forsale and sometimes misc.wanted(!)  (including the very
article I'm replying to)

Glenn Doiron
--
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From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: misc.support.smoking
Date: 20 Jul 92 19:16:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul20.191655.28663
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


I have received an additional suggestion for a name for this group 
from Seth Briedert <seth@fid.morgan.edu>

	Seth suggests misc.support.quit-smoking

to more accurately reflect the intent of this group.

I have forwarded the suggestion to David C. Lawrence, the groups 
moderator who has taken an active interest in the discussion of 
this group.

I will post additional information as it become available.

lon@edsi.plexus.com
-- 
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From: merlin@lerami.lerctr.org (David Hayes)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.mac.advocacy - Underwhelming responses
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:23:59 GMT
Organization: Not Bloody Likely!

In article <1992Jul28.022046.803@wolves.uucp> ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
>The response and discussion about this new group proposal are highly
>underwhelming.   There is barely a peep out of folks.  The comments in
>this public discussion period are not even up to the level of the mail I
>got during the "feeler" stage.
>
> [stuff deleted.]
>
>If there are no objections, I'll probably go for the CFV somewhere
>around the 6th of August and run the vote for a full thirty days.
>
>			Greg Woodbury

Consider this an objection.

Might I suggest that if you're having such trouble getting any
discussion, then you SHOULD NOT hold a call-for-votes? The whole purpose of
the procedure is to create only those newsgroups that folks are interested
in. Seems that you've gotten an indication that there aren't too many folks
desparately interested in this one.

Try the alt.* heirarchy. Just send out the "newgroup" yourself; that's
allowed (even encouraged) in the alt.* groups. Or form a mailing list.
But build a respectable interest level before asking for a comp.* group.

    David Hayes    merlin@lerami.lerctr.org