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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:13:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Aug27.151354.10189
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug27.143042.23961@watson.ibm.com>
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

[moi re Harrison Ford]

>>>He was 50 on July 13th.
 
>was that a friday?

To my great surprise, the map of dates onto days was the
same in 1942 as in 1992.  It was then as now a Thursday.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele)
Subject: Re: adoption
Summary: uh-oh, so i cann't spell, either can danny boy...
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.172021.25736@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele):
> > one of the points being that as an unmarried couple
> > living apart who were allowed to adopt children, a president is set that
make that precedent				       ^^^^^^^^^
> > should make it easier for gay people to adopt.
> 
> i knew i liked bill clinton... :-)
> 
> -- 
> Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
> Queer Without A Cause!
> "I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
> right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon

-- 

Phil Mele  (pmele@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu)
Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory of Columbia University
Palisades, N Y  10964
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:42:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Aug29.214119.871@tc.cornell.edu> <64987@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Aug31.110457.22001@macc.wisc.edu>

>In article <64987@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com
>(Frank - Swilling) writes:
>
>>>First, I certainly wouldn't dignify Boob by addressing him
>>                                     ^^^^
>>>as "Mr" (except possibly "Mr Butch, sir").
>
>>>Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
>
>>This is *really* getting tired, Melinda.
>
>"Tired" doesn't compute, my dear little cop, *Sir*.

It runs in *my* machine, Big Daddy.

>>Even Jess has dropped the "Stupid Name Tricks".
>
>I love that *even* in there, Frank.  And what is it I have
>dropped?  Sarver == Sargon == Boob == contempt.  Contempt is
>no less appropriate than it was, which I took to be very.

Fine.  Be as contemptuous as you want to be.  What you have dropped is what
*I* personally find to be the vilest kind of Redneck Neanderthal humor -- to
play insulting games with a person's name.  When persons of yours and Melinda's
intellectual abilities are reduced to using someone's name to render insults
against him, then I can't tell the difference between you and Them.  (On
top of which, I *never* understood what the hell "Sargon" was supposed to
mean.)

>>Won't you please do the same?

>One point for "please," -10 for asking.

>Jess Anderson.

Pu-u-u-u-u-h L-e-e-e-e-z-e!

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff)
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:40:11 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

 >Occasionally, someone makes their first post and starts off on the
 >wrong foot.  Most people who have read here for a while usually know
 >the climate very well and jump in without a thought.

Agreed.  In fact, I had email this very morning from someone who got
off on the wrong foot last school year, and who said that thinking
about it over the summer break he's got a sense of what he did that
drew the attack.  I hope he's right (I thought, reading his letter,
that he had a handle on it), and that he'll come back and find
himself a more comfortable place here than the one he had last
spring.

This group has a lot more structure than usually appears.  We're
surprisingly cohesive, and that means that someone who "breaks in"
is doing something to the structure that holds us together.  "Doing
something" is deliberately vague.  We often see words from
(relative) newcomers that show that they're aware of the possibility
that their articles may be seen by folks who've been around longer
as hostile or disruptive.  For the most part, the ones who approach
with discretion (which isn't the same as hesitation) discover that
there's plenty of room for them here.

Even if they did make a bad start, once.


Mara [who is tickled by the irony of referring in this articl
 to email that she received and isn't going to quote]

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Sim? status?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:08:33 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) wrote:
>Has anyone heard from Sim yet?  It's Wednesday morning, and I'm
>getting quite concerned about the lack of information, and absence of
>contact with him and Daivd.  I really hope all is well.  Perhaps he
>just doesn't have computer access, but I really wish he'd call
>someone.  Any information from ANYONE would be very much appreciated.

We're okay.  We had some trouble getting phone lines out.  Electricity
is out at home, so no computer connection there.  We cut our way into
this building today.  

Thanks for the concern.  Daivd says hi.

Sim

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Shakers
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:40:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug28.074044.28511
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

You know, Bob's analogy between Shakers and faggots was just so
*insightful*, it reminded me of how much like a Shaker I I'm just like
the Shakers, really, and I think Bob just might Like Me.  See, I shake
too in moments of great passion. It's more a sexual thing than
religious, but it is all passion, right?

I shake when I am excited about making love to someone for the first
time.  This has happened twice that I can remember.. I just get so
excited, my nerves get so stimulated, that by the time I am undressing
with him I am shaking all over. Fortunately the two men with whom this
has happened were really sweet - it could have be quite embarassing.

The other time I frequently shake is when I am about to have a truly
tremendous orgasm. Not a normal orgasm, but one of those really deep
and powerful ones. I start to strain, all the muscles from my stomach
to my thighs, pulling and pushing and all that tension and then I
lunge forward and I start to shake, heavily. It is a wonderful
sensation.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/  Homosexuals were invented for an episode of Barney Miller
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:34:28 GMT

In article <vanyel.715023427@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>
>I think being treated like something I'm not is a Bad Thing (tm).  I'm not
>a queeny type, nor am I a woman.  (Note the difference; obviously you can't
>make it yourself.)  I prefer male pronouns when people refer to males.
>Sorry to mess up your worldview.

Hon, you couldn't mess up our worldview if you tried.  Why do you prefer
male pronouns?  Because you're male not female right?  Now will you dare
to join with me on a momentary flight of fancy and ask the question "so
what"?  Why do we not use different pronouns based on hair or eye color?
How about skin color?  How about height?  Why create false dichotomies
and then enshrine them in our language so much that some males cringe
at the thought that they might be ascribed to the wrong class with all the
horror of not fitting ones proper role.

Before you can even begin to have a clue what genderfuck really is, you've
got to take a look at this bullshit dichotomy and the fairytale roles 
ascribed, and call it bullshit.  While you cling like a barnacle to your
myth of masculinity, the rest of us are just leading our lives, not really
giving a damn whether people think we're masculine or feminine, queeny
or butch.  Take a couple of clues, and call me in the morning.  If you
think masculinity is a virtue, then you probably think virginity is
too.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: AS.DLH@forsythe.stanford.edu (David Hatt - 5-0083)
Subject: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:57:20 GMT

This mystery has puzzled me for awhile and I'm hoping the *motss and
the cabal would help me see solve this mystery.  This mystery has to
do with age.

Guys I meet in bars are asking me my age.  I don't get it.  If I'm
talking to someone, age doesn't matter.  If I'm interested in taking
him home, age isn't an issue.  I think in a relationship, I would
like to know his age for milestone birthdays.  We usually exchange
names and then it is, "So, how old are you, Dave?" "DOES IT SAY 'ASK
ME MY AGE' ON THE BACK OF MY SHIRT?" I've always told the truth.
And their jaws drop.  And for enquiring minds, I'm 39 and I look
younger than that.

Just last night, I was dancing with a friend in a gay bar, when some
middle-aged woman with her middle-aged male friend tapped me on my
shoulder and motioned for me to interrupt my dancing to step two
feet so she could say something to me.  That something was "My
friend says your 25 and I say you're in your thirties.  So, how old
are you?" I look at her incrediously and told her.  I dislike stock
phrases like, "It's none of your business," "What's it to ya?" etc.
This woman didn't ask other people their ages, just me.

One more thing, it's usually the younger guys asking my age.  The
woman last night skewed my statistics.

What gives?  Should I take it in stride?  Should I lie about my age?
(I don't want to do that.)

Is my age part of my persona?  Sorta like my job?

Is it common to exchange ages like dick sizes?  Are there
hankerchiefs out there to wear in my pocket to classify my age?

Well, cabal and *motss people, what am I not seeing here?

Thanks in advance.

Dave
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:24:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.212802.20209@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote: 
>->In article <65060@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>->>Totally wrong.  I just don't like *SZECHUAN* food, and I see no
>->>reason whatsoever for soc.motss gatherings to be locked into one
>->>particular cuisine.
>
>not only that, but dim sum doesn't have to be particularly szechuan.

In fact, I've never seen, heard of, or eaten Szechuan dim sum.  It may exist,
I suppose, but it's certainly not common.  There are 2 main varieties of dim
sum:

Southern (Cantonese):  What we ususally think of as dim sum; many
	kinds of dumplings, just a few kinds of buns
Northern:  Tons o' buns stuffed with stuff.  After a meal of northern dim sum
	I always feel like I've just eaten 2 loaves of bread.

The difference reflects the relative importance of wheat in northern and
southern Chinese diets.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Downstairs the three of them played a most amusing game of Herbert's own
invention called "Thumbfumble."  They then sat down to a sumptuous tea.
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Vacation
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:33:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Jess Anderson writes:
>>I don't like
>>*anything* sweet with peanut butter 
>
>I'm glad *someone* has some taste around here 
>
>There are people who like bananas or bacon in their Peanut
>Butter sandwiches (I shan't be descending to Dyer's 2nd Grade
>terminology); I myself prefer either sweet pickle relish,
                                      ^^^^^

Noted.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:37474 alt.politics.homosexuality:5588
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: CALL/FAX Pete Wilson to sign CALIFORNIA GAY RIGHTS BILL into *LAW*!
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:05:34 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <farenebt.714958830@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>
>>Call, write, or fax Gov. Wilson and urge him to sign AB 2601.  If you are a
>>Californian, tell him it would make you feel more secure in your job. 
>
>Tell him that it might make HIM more secure in HIS job, also. I understand
>that Wilson's approval rating is in the 20%'s and any support he re-captures
>couldn't hurt.

No RePete!

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjones@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rex A. Jones)
Subject: Looking for IUPUI Accounting Major...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 17:57:12 GMT

This is a shot in the dark, but...

You: 30, from Lebanon, working, going to IUPUI and wanting to get out, fast.
     Handsome.

Me:  The person you were talking to at the end of Saturday (last night) at Our 
     Place.

What: I'd really like to meet you again and talk, go to dinner, etc.  without
      having to worry about you going off with your friends to an after hours
      party.  You sounded like we have a reasonable amount in common.  I'd like
      to see if that is true.

      (others in Indy want to write, fine! ;)  I won't complain!)

BTW, I usually am only able to get on the net on Saturdays or Sundays...

.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush is a piece of shit.
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:07:14 GMT

> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>Didn't anynoe notice sjhe wore that red `AIDS'' ribbon during her speech but
>when George and the kids came on to the stage it was gone?

Hank Plante, an openly-gay local TV (CBS?) reporter, interviewed
Barb here the other day & asked he why she had removed the red
ribbon.  "I'd already made my point," she replied.

Seems to me that removing it made an even more obvious point...
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British spellings
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:09:07 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <71916@apple.Apple.COM>,
richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:

> I confounded Fruitbat once after several thousand gin-and-tonics by asking
> him if he queued for the lift or stood in line for the elevator.
> 
> I must kerb these behaviours!

Curb.  `Kerb' is that thing at the edge of the pavement. 
Sorry, the sidewalk.  Whatever. 

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Prejudice vs Preference
Date: 02 Sep 92 00:29:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/>(anderson, distilling vanyel's comments)
/>I don't like nelly people because all the ones I've met are
/>vain.

/(His other quotes below are from <vanyel.715280262@camelot>.)

/A lot turns on whether this is a class statement or an
/instance.

/I claim it is a class statement.  It says: nelly people are
/vain.


No; it says all the ones HE HAS MET are vain.  Do not
corrupt the original statement due to haste or carelessness.



(anderson)
/It's no different from "I don't like Blacks because they are
/lazy" or "I don't like Jews because they're pushy" or "I
/don't like girls [sic] because they're silly."

/Just as those hypothetical remarks are, respectively,
/racist, anti-Semitic, and sexist, the preceding remark is
/homophobic.


NO IT ISN'T.  

This is where you are de-railing yourself, anderson.  
His statement is NOT homophobic.  

It may be "nelly-phobic", but homophobia != dislike of nellies.  
Homophobic is dislike of homosexuals.  All homosexuals
are not nelly (or rich, or old, or handsome, or any 
other attribute).

Alan's comments fall more into the line of: 
"I've dated a lot of lawyers, and they're all 
materialistic--I won't date a lawyer anymore".  
Is that "lawyer-phobic"?  Or is this hypothetical
person not allowed to choose whom he/she dates?

If Alan had said "I don't like gays because all 
the ones I've met are vain", then you would be correct.
He didn't say that, though.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:50:48 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>Jess/Sim Andraberson.

>By Mavis (*), this sounds absolutely de-gorgeous. I think it is time
>for another conceptual marriage, if only to keep the word Andraberson
>alive.

You horrid creature! Don't marry off *either* *one* of them! One might
turn jealous and not let the other boink freely. And marriage is a
strayt institution anyway...

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Black Leather Wings
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:14:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.042746.12576@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <65039@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Perhaps something other than dim sum could be arranged, so as not
>>to impinge too deeply on Brian's "turf."  ;-) 
>


I *really* don't have the time to be doing this (I've had one day off
over the past three weeks), but I was bumming around soc.motss looking
for my name, which a dear friend said he had deposited here, and came
across this.  As a result, the Great Grizzly of Joy, who has even less
time this morning than I do (he's currently in a meeting helping
translate several hundred error messages into Dutch), has authorized
me to announce the following:


		   GOLDILOCKS AND THE LEATHER BEARS
		    (International Cabal Division)

			       announce

			 An Irregular Meeting
				 for
			 The Regular Purpose:


			   A DIM SUM GOBBLE


			      Featuring

		 at least Some of the Usual Suspects
				 and

			 A GENUINE GOLDILOCKS


[yes, love, that means *YOU*.  I hope someone had the time to call you
and let you know :-)]


			       Noonish
		     Saturday September 5th 1992
		      Amsterdam, The Netherlands



Exact time TBD.  Location known but address not (yet) known.  If
interested, email harryu@tfs.com for further details.  After 8PM MST
September 3rd and before 8AM MST September 5th, leave a message at the
Pullman Hotel, Breda, c/o Mijneer Dreyer (or skywrite a message over
the Floriade during the day on Friday.  At last, a day off).


>
>I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly sammiches
>AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)

Hmmmmm.  To me PB&J seems *quite* perverted enough for a scene (but
not entirely unprecedented; I remember one night when we tied Daddy
Bear Rings to the St. Andrews Cross and force fed him mushrooms with
M&Ms as chasers - Daddy Bear *hates* the taste of mushrooms...).
However, Pater Ursus Vanillaribus, I suspect that any location that
features 40+ leatherfolk doing kinky PB&J scenes is also likely to
feature other activities that would render it unsuitable for your
delicate constitution... :-).


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com
harry@lthrwings.queernet.org

"Briarpatch huishoud regel #3:  Het is zonde een mogelikheid tot
zieken te verspillen."
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gravely Mixed Up
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:48:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug31.234817.29419
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <5012@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu (The Reverend Mr. Spock) writes:
>I've made no attempt to "define" or
>even list your beliefs.  I have categorized them in a way that I have been
>taught to do.

Ick.  Lemme know where you learned that.

>In a system in which all beliefs are religious based, then a
>person who thinks they are non-religious has "non-religious labeled religious
>beliefs."

Where's Anna Russell to exclaim "I'm not making this up, you know!"
when you need her?

>The postmodern mind is often seen as bizarre by those who are not postmodern. 

You mean posterior mind.

>You are indeed saying that you are religious, that is to say, a holder of
>religious beliefs and a doer of practices based on those beliefs? If that is
>not what you mean by having religious beliefs, then we have a need for further
>clarification.

No, JAG, you're not getting it.  Jess, if the guy couldn't recognize a
"fuck off" when it was spelled baldly out, why did you think he'd possibly
recognize it this time?  As I said to someone in email, he seems to think
his shit doesn't stink.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Behind the Hate in Oregon"
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:19:00 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

There is always the nice non violent resistance approach:

Oops my car stalled on this major bridge which carries 1million people
a day into the city.

Oh no it seems my umbrella got wedged into the subway car door, oh well
I guess I will just hop on the car going the other way.

You didn't tell me forwarding phones to each other across the state
would bring down the long distance phone system. (they fixed this
problem, someone did it between worcester and boston once by accident)

Sorry ocifer the sign said not to litter so I threw my gum into that basket
along with the change for the tolls.

Now multiply this by several million creative angry queers :-)

I think you would see the states major cities quickly grind to a halt with
its roads clogged with "stalled cars", subway doors stuck open, and toll
booths out of comission.  

This leaves them only two options, give in, or declare martial law, either
should be sufficient deterent to stop the OCA from spreading.

Atleast at one point people in South Africa whose cars stalled in
intersections where arrested for terrorist activities...
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