From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Anthony Rose
Keywords: The distortinons of a frenzied mind
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:20:45 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec16.165938.10934@infonode.ingr.com> tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer) writes:
>
>   I may need to apoligize here, Tony's problem may not be entirly due to
>   the overworkings of simply a frenzied mind. It may also be due to his
>   inability to understand the technology with which we are dealing.
>
>   <Afterall, :-) Amdahl only makes IBM mainframe clones right :-) >
>
>   Puts me in mind, of a Garrison Kelnor (sp) monolog, you remember the
>   "Institute of Lower Technology, ya know, doors and doorstops..

Kermit,

We started with the issues, then you went to attacking my character
because you couldn't deal with the things I brought forth to expose
Mormonism.  Then you stared throwing more mud.  Now you are attacking my
employer?  What gives man?  Do you realize you dig your credibility
grave about a foot deeper with every letter you send.

>  if anybody _else_ want to try and explain the nature of usenet discussions
>  and threads to Tony, be my guest. It's been fairly obvious that he
>  won't respond and/or read what I post.
>
>  Most of the newsreaders that read News (rn,mxrn,nn,trn) track the messages
>  with identifiers. The article to which you responded has
>  the idenfier 1992Dec15.141435.5962@infonode.ingr.com
>
>  Some of the newsreaders group the response not on title, but on which
>  article the author was responding to, when the response was writtten.
>
>  Just for demo purposes this was 1dgF02AN2fte01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
>
>  See how easy that was!

Maybe it is your intellect that is in question by assuming that my
reader works like yours.  I don't ALWAYS get every letter because of the
way our reader works.  In fact, if our reader goes down for 5 or more
hours, I lose those letters posted at that time.

Funny you now want to criticize not just me, but my employer, but my
reader, how I use it.  Why can't we discuss why the all-knowing God
doesn't know of any other Gods (Isaiah 44:8), but you do?

>The article in which you "challenged" me has the identifer
>            1992Dec14.134023.3332@infonode.ingr.com 
>
>And the Article to which I responded had this identifier
>
>References:  <e9KT02da2eTu01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> 
>	     <1992Dec15.141435.5962@infonode.ingr.com>
>
> Gee I didn't cut a thing, did I. I guess this lack of understanding
> of how threads works or how newsreaders work, would proably also account
> for _why_ you think that the subject of _all_ your discusion change
> so much.

Yes, you did!  I have challenged you in my past four letters to come up
with the details you accused me of in plagerizing material.  You said
that I copied such detail.  If you recognize the detail I "copied",
you obviously know where it came from.  But each time you respond, you
clip that part out.  You know I never did that and it was just another
of your lies.  But now you want to change the subject and accuse me with
another lie.  If I prove that to be a lie to, when you just go on and on
and on and on with more lies?

> I don't think that anyone
> has yet taken you seriously (except you'r blood brother Antti Silvoean)

I don't know what this is suppose to mean, but I don't really care
anymore about what comes flying from your foaming mouth while you keep
sinking in the bottom-less-pit of Mormon quicksand.  I don't agree with
Antti's theology, but at least he and I can have a logical discussion
about the differences without him attacking my employer.  He has got more
class that you could ever have, and as far as theology, I have as much
to discuss with him as I do you.  That is what this newsgroup is for.
This is not alt.kermit.mudsling you know.

>	I have offered to "discuss" your challenge with you.    in email.

Why in email?  I only talk with sincere Mormons in email.  And many of
them can testify that I talk very kindly with them  (ANDIE, wanna tell
Kermit about our discussions; if you are reading?)

There is no reason why you can't discuss here on trm, unless it is that
you don't want the world to see the true Mormon in you.

>   The rest of the Group has already sat through your garbage once, we
>   don't need to punish them again. I'm having second thoughts about
>   dealing with you at all, since you can't seem to discuss anything
>   of substance without resorting to inuendo, cursings, misrepresentaions
>   and other forms of "common curtesy", NOT.

If you can post a legitimate article that I have sent with a curse
word that _I_ originally used, I'll never post another letter here again.
That is how sure I am that you are lying through your teeth!

>>Maybe if you would read my posts instead of scanning them for where you
>>can attack me, things would be clearer.
>
>  How clearer can it be? I've read your posts and most of the 
>  barnyard material in you post becomes even more apparent after two 
>  or three readings!

     "The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in
      the last day."   John 12:48

>>Tell me Kermit, when I "accept Christ" according to your standards, will
>>I then posts sexually nasty jokes on alt.jokes like you do?  Does every
>
> your mean Rec.humor ? is there an alt.jokes on your machine, there isn't
> on mine. I'm subsribed to rec.humor.funny but not rec.humor and
> the only "joke" I've posted recently is about my neighbor who still won't
> sleep in the NORTH bedroom.

Yeah, the ONLY one?  Remember the marching band and the virgins and the
girls in the south you are so fimilar with?  Want me to refresh your
memory?

>>>	As for "Only married Mormons will do that"  that is another of
>>>	your deliberate distortions. This point has been discussed to
>>>	death in this forum. Since you seem incapable, of understanding
>>>	what has been presented before, why repeat anything for you.
>>
>>Are you saying that anyone other than Mormons who have been married in
>>the Temple will go to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom?  If
>>that is your claim, could you post where the church teaches that?
>
> No I (and others have posted many times) that God dwells with those in
> the telestial, and terestial kingdoms as well. [ but you knew that
> didn't you?]

Your Jesus is in one of the others and your Unholy Spirit is in the other,
but your God with the erect penis is only in the one where married
Mormons will go.  You and other Mormons reading this KNOW that.

>>>>If you reach out to the wrong Jesus, the real one will have no mercy on
>>>>you.
>>>
>>>	That's where Tony, your wrong again, the real Jesus, will have
>>>	mercy on you. Just because you have worshiped at the altar of
>>>	greed and idolarty, Jesus stands at the door and when/if you
>>>	answer, he will come in.
>>
>>Right, he stands at the door and knocks.  But if you pass out of this
>>life without opening it, THEN he has no mercy.  That was my point!
>
>
> So all those who have died without ever hearing of Christ Jesus and
> his Gosple of hope and faith are doomed for every. No don't think so.

That is a totally different issue altogther.  We are talking about the
people who KNOW, and believe me, you have heard it enough to accept the
truth or reject it.

> While it may be true, that those who reject the message in this life,
> proably would not accept the message later, there are some who are
> seeking the truth even in this life, but have been blinded by the
> craftiness of men. I think Jesus has a big enough heart to forgive
> even this people.

Yeah, do you mean the Jesus that said this:

     "I said therefore unto you that you shall die in your sins;
      For if you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your
      sins.  John 8:24"

His big heart was that he told you this.  You will have no excuse after
this life (Romans 1)

>         Kermit Tensmeyer                         | Intergraph Corporation
>   klt@kt8127.b23a.ingr.com                       | Deep in Dixie


Joseph Smith claimed:

     "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only
      man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together
      since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have
      stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, NOR JESUS ever did it.
      I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers
      of JESUS ran away from Him; but the Later-day Saints never
      ran away from me yet."(Documented History of the Church Vol.6.
      pages 408-409)

God said:

     "Pride goeth before destruction"   (Proverbs 16:18)

One month later, Joseph was killed in Illinois! The timing is interesting
isn't it?  God keeps His word!  Kermit God has said, "THOU SHALT NOT LIE"
Better read Romans 6:23 to see what that cost!