HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:16:48 GMT

basil@osric.cs.odu.edu (Keith Basil) writes:

>	This was grabbed from a mailing list that I'm on.. From the
>  above, it appears that the standards are there.  It'd be nice if Waffle
>  was the first *cheap* BBS system to implement a standard such as NAPLPS.

if there are none, or few, than it ain't much of a standard yet...

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:36:28 GMT

In article <e80RVB2w165w@1776.COM> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
>
>Suppose someone were to propose that rather than have the .UUCP notation die 
>out, it should be formalized as a "real" domain.  Aside from the obvious 
>problem that existing mail programs handle this notation in several mutually 
>inconsistent ways, why would it be such a bad idea? 

I think it could have worked if it had been done that way from the start
and the uucp maps and the associated DNS information could have been
made consistant with a single input, but it's too late now since every
sensible mailer has built-in knowledge of .uucp.  Someone could still
set up *.uucp.org if they felt like organizing.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Another Waffle bug?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 06:25:58 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
> 
> > I have the same setup, Waffle on c:, news spool and user directories
> > on d:. I did this command sequence :
> > 
> > home
> > dir d:\spool
> > dir
> > 
> > The final 'dir' listed the contents of my user directory.
> 
> Yes, that works.  Now try this:
> 
> home
> dir c:\waffle
> dir
> 
> I'll warrant you're not in Kansas (or your user directory), anymore!

Willard, how do you get these little things to happen?  I just tried
this sequence, and my default directory did not change.  (1.65 release
version, my account is level/priv 9)  I have my stuff spread over 3
drives, as well.  (user dirs and Waffle on C:, transfer spool on E: and
news spool on G:)
--
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   "I like Santa Claus as well as the next guy, but do you really want a
   hard drive that's spent 6000 miles at the bottom of a canvas sack in a
            wooden sleigh powered by airborne reindeer?" -- me
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5381 comp.bbs.misc:1585 alt.bbs:7614 news.software.readers:2520
From: slack@wuntvor.pillar.com (slack)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 16:41:18 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:

> In article <1992Dec16.234809.19007@catfish.az05.bull.com>, pls@cibecue.az05.b
> > Has anyone evaluated the Blue Wave packet format? It seems to offer some
> > features beyond those of QWK.
> > 
> I have worked with Blue Wave and it is much better than .qwk packets.  Qwk's
> are more widely supported but I'm sure it's just a matter of porting Blue Wav
> to other systems.

I too have enjoyed using Bluewave, and think that it DEFINITELY is better 
than most other .QWK formats.  Also as of v2.10 (?) it works with .QWK 
doors and packets.  In my Fido neck of the woods (147) it's definitely 
the most popular.

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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5396 comp.mail.uucp:2371
From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:44:32 EST
Organization: Lost In Space

kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy) writes:

> In article <lgXLrA1BBh107h@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeB
> >What would be wrong with a .PRI domain for unaffiliated, private sites?
> >Everyone has at least an MX record in the DNS, it doesn't imply a specific
> >transfer protocol like .UUCP, and there is no geographic hierarchy so a
> >site can be physically moved without having to re-register its domain name.
> 
> The problem is that if every Tom, Dick and Harriet with a PC registers as a
> second-level name under .pri, then you end up with a DNS zone containing 
> literally millions of RR's, which are all being queried constantly. Massive 
> capacity and adminstrative problems. Zone transfers would be a bitch. Lots of
> name conflicts. In short, the idea makes for short, easy-to-type mail 
> addresses, but breaks the scalability of global DNS.
 
I think you might be overestimating a bit here.  Although there are
millions of PC's out there, I suspect only a small fraction of them
are, or would want to become, sites connected to "the net".  Thousands
maybe, but not millions.  

I do agree that there is the potential for a problem, but the same
potential exists for other top-level domains, especially .com.  What
keeps .com from getting out of control (besides the fact that businesses
are failing left and right :-) ?

> On the other end of the spectrum, I think the .us policy of geographical
> subdivisions is pretty silly: it lengthens mail addresses for no particularly
> good reason -- many if not most folks simply don't CARE what city, or in some
> cases, even what state or country a host is in, as long as the mail flows. So
> you ultimately end up with situations like the guy who moved from Chicago to 
> Tasmania, but didn't bother to change his chi.il.us MX. What useful value doe
> all that verbiage serve then?
 
My sentiments exactly.

> I think two layers of domains is a reasonable compromise between these
> extremes. When you add that second layer, of course, then each subdomain 
> is a "mail park", and could validly be registered under good old .org, e.g.
> mn.org or mi.org, instead of having to create a new top-level .pri domain. 

Registering in .org is fine if I'm a mail park.  Or, if I can find a local
mail park to connect to, I can register as mysite.mailpark.org.  If I'm 
not the former and can't do the latter, I'm still stuck with .us.

Also, using states as the second layer brings us back to a geographic
domain hierarchy.  Granted, site.state.{org|us|pri} is better than
site.city.state.us, but I'd still like to see a totally non-geographic
hierarchy for unaffiliated sites, much as .com is for companies.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: uucico speed, bad headers
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:56:07 GMT

system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:

>What is this? I can't find a "uu.fossil" in my documentation.

It's uu.driver, not uu.fossil.

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From: Mike Pearl <mpearl@pes.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.mail
Subject: post comp.bbs.waffle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:15:45 EST
Organization: Professional Exchanges Services, Inc.

Is anyone out there running WWIVEDIT under Waffle?  If so, can you 
send me a copy of your configuration files, and .BAT files?  I'm 
lost in this documentation, I have no earthly idea what it's looking
for, or how to set my %1 %2 %3 %4 variable.  Tx!


----------=============================================----------
     Michael Pearl      |       Professional Exchange Services
     mpearl@pes.com     |       Bethesda, MD
                        |       (301) 907-0349
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:34:48 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:

>      Recently I was reading a mailinglist I've gated into a newsgroup.
> Decided to followup, and realized there was about 50% more of the
> message I had never seen.
> 
>      Somewhere in the middle of the article the poster had put in a
> ^Z.  Waffle stopped at this point and read no further, even though
> the rest of the file was about 10k.
> 
> bug bug bug bug bug bug

Waffle handles files in text mode, except when reading/writing the spool
for off-site traffic.  (right, Bill?)  ^Z happens to the the DOS EOF
marker for text files.  Waffle hasn't got a bug.  MS-DOS has a bozon
filesystem.

Hey, Unix types... what happens if a DOS site embeds a ^D in mail or
news?
--
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   "I like Santa Claus as well as the next guy, but do you really want a
   hard drive that's spent 6000 miles at the bottom of a canvas sack in a
            wooden sleigh powered by airborne reindeer?" -- me
From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Shroom and Waffle, mutual coexistence IS possible!
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:41:40 GMT
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca (Brad Crockett) writes:

> > I have been getting mail from users wanting a better editor than
> > waffles internal editor and I am thinking of getting them a shareware
> > one.  I would like some advice from the net as to which editor to go
> > with and some idea of the "feel" of the various editors.  Security is
> > a concern for me, so shelling from the editor is out.  It must, due to
> > waffle, run in 335.5K (according to mem /c).  If it is easy to set up,
> > all the better.
> 
> I've been looking for the same thing.  BBStevie was recommended,
> but I have not been able to get it to work remotely.  It's not
> supposed to use direct screen writes, and supposedly has the
> security you're looking for.

Fsed.exe works fine over the phone, but my users hate it because it's
not very pretty to look at; Also doing simple line insertions are not
readily handled by the  <cr>.

I've also had a thing called wwivedit.exe working over the modem. It
installs just fine when you think Waffle and ignore the instructions for
wwiv in the docs.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William Ross
cithara                 Specalists in asbestos underwear
                        since 1992                william@cithara.login.qc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:35:54 GMT

jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:

>ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>>One could always dump the user manual, system fluff, etc. to a new
>>user in a mail message.  They complete the login questionnaire, enter
>>the system, and voila!  They have MAIL!  At that point, the training
>>begins, as they work their way through the mail menus.

>Maybe not the whole manual, which is rather large.  But a customized
>"cheat sheet" would be nice, since Waffle is so different than most BBS
>systems.  Where would you hook such a program in?  I assume it'd have to
>be an external program which you'd add to the Waffle source and then
>compile.

Use the newuser feature in ~/extern/_system (hint: it's in the docs)

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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 12:21:43 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

chorn@eastwind.mcds.com writes:

> Why give them a file on a text based news and mail system?

Well, if the file is WAF165.ZIP, you are allowing them to join the fray,
i.e., it's a text-based-news-and-mail-system virus!

> 
>  ---
>  Christopher Horn           |  "We're all caught in a state of decay..."
>  chorn@eastwind.mcds.com    |  The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063


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emory!uumind!willard!dawson
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From: andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Patching UUCICO for 'G'
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:04:11 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

  I recently tried out the patch for making Waffle's UUCICO report 'G'
instead of 'g'. My newsfeed is runn Dell Unix SYS VR4 (I'm not sure of the
exact Dell verison numbers.) It works great as long as I: 1) Keep the
Fossil buffers at 4K, and 2) use 512 byte packets. I tried 128 and 256 byte
packets, but they wouldn't talk to each other after initializing.

  What's really nice is that I now get 1620+cps rates using v32bis/v42bis!
AND I get this whether I'm running under DV or not. These numbers are for
compressed news only. I get mail from another site (that only works with
64x7 'g'.)

   The only drawback is that I have to have my batch file check the systems
manually, and all either the original or the patched UUCICO.  Luckily, Tom
modified 1.65 so that -ssystem will not override time constraints unless -o
is also specified.  It would have been more difficult under 1.64 and older.

  Now all that is needed is to get this implemented in UUCICO itself ('G'
seems to be a fully implemented 'g'. I guess they separated it since too
many sites don't handle more than 64x7 properly.) It would also be nice if
I could specify window and packet sizes in the SYSTEMS file: g(7,64) or
G(7,512).

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 uunet!infopls!andyross    | by logging in as infoplus. [v32bis/v42bis]
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Waffle User Complaints
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:01:39 GMT

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>One could always dump the user manual, system fluff, etc. to a new
>user in a mail message.  They complete the login questionnaire, enter
>the system, and voila!  They have MAIL!  At that point, the training
>begins, as they work their way through the mail menus.

Maybe not the whole manual, which is rather large.  But a customized
"cheat sheet" would be nice, since Waffle is so different than most BBS
systems.  Where would you hook such a program in?  I assume it'd have to
be an external program which you'd add to the Waffle source and then
compile.

>As to 'likeability', we're talking subjective stuff here.  Waffle is
>a text-based system--news and mail.  Most news and mail in the paper

Yes, which is why I'd like to see more support for people to make their
own copies of files.  After displaying a movie review (for example),
Gopher will let you mail yourself a copy, print it, or save it to a
file.  For a modem caller using Waffle, change the "print it" to
"download it" after displaying a file.  Or change the "more" prompt so
that it will take "d" for download.

On UNIX systems like yours and mine, we can make symbolic links so that
files that appear in the words directory also appear in a downloadable
directory.  But why not make it easier to download a BBS list or
whatever off a menu?

>And the files section, while not necessariliy intuitive is easier
>to navigate than most PCBoard's I've seen.  Again, a user wants
>a file.  Color bulletins?  Why?

"Pretty sells".  Ask Prodigy.  But you're right that color isn't
necessary and possibly not desirable.  However I have trouble agreeing
with you that Waffle's file system is easier to use than PCBoard's.
Waffle's file system has nothing in common with the rest of Waffle, nor
does it have anything in common with any other BBS system that I've ever
seen.  And I've been running and using BBSs since '84.

I would be much happier if Tom were to talk to Sandy and get permission
to graft the XBBS file section onto Waffle.  That would look like Opus, 
at least.  If Tom doesn't want to do that, maybe somebody could use that
as a starting place.  Sandy also had a (z)ip function that would archive
all the unread messages for you.  Don't know a whole lot else about what
Sandy has been doing, but he's got some reasonable ideas.  When he
didn't seem to be making a move to incorporate Usenet and e-mail, I lost
interest in XBBS.
From: Jonathan Herr <valnet!herrj@news.cs.indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Latest ISO 8859-1 Patch for Waffle available
Keywords: ISO8859-1 Waffle Patch
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:14:56 EST
Reply-To: herrj%valnet@news.cs.indiana.edu
Organization: WVCF, Vincennes, IN, USA
Disclaimer: Author responsible for contents

kosta@blues.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis) writes:

# > Funny thing is that I'm seeing the characters that you're talking
# > about.  All I did was set the STATIC file param 'charsize' to eight.
# > (ie. charsize : 8)  I can't vouch for what it will look like when it
# > gets back to you, though.
# 
# They look just fine here.
# 
# What Code Page do you use?

US

# What version of Waffle do you use?

1.65

# Does your feed possibly convert the characters for you? 

It's possible, but I doubt it.  I've always been able to see these
characters even before the 'charsize' parameter in the static file.



Jonathan R Herr                             I can't quit you, babe.
herrj@valnet.uucp                           I guess I'll have to put you down
WVCF System Administrator                   For a little while ....
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: ..working with 1.63 (modified)
Keywords: 1.63, editor, importing-text, mail
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:24:18 GMT

eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder) writes:
>carlos@infoserv.com (Carlos Dominguez) writes:

>-> b) Can I get another Mail reader to coexist with this version of
>->    waffle?
>-> 
>-> c) Can I get another News reader to coexist with waffle and my
>->    news feed?

>Check on Halcyon in the ~/pub/waffle/1.64 directory for some old
>utilities.  There may be a mail and/or newsreader that will work with
>the older versions of waffle.

you can run snews for certain with pre-1.65 waffles.

>-> I would love to run PC versions of TIN or ELM, but I can't seem to
>-> get any information if it's even possible..

>My recommendation is to upgrade to 1.65 of waffle.  The infoserve
>version is great to get started (saved me some setup grief), but is
>very limited.

besides, virtually all c.b.w. readers are up to 1.65 so you'll get
better support here too!
-- 
     ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
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					quote from Jan'93 Unix World article
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: linux .98
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:23:15 PST
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

system@korova.freeside.com (razorback) writes:

-> does anyone know if the un*x flavour of waffle is compatable with linux 
-> .98??

To get waffle to run under unix, ftp to halcyon.com and get:


Directory: /pub/waffle/hacking/

linuxwaf.txt    2574   14-Oct-92   porting guide for unix waffle to linux


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Very Big Waffle bug!!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:44:59 GMT

In <mcRPVB1w165w@pete.uucp> dennis@pete.uucp (Dennis Peterson) writes:

...
>It appears rnews will sometime recreate a directory that already exist,
>create bad links, cross-link files, etc.  In general a real mess. I think
>it is being confused by the switching between C: and D: during the
>processing of the input files and writting the files back to the news
>directories.

Hmm... my Waffle files, spool, aliases, programs are spread on C: E:
and F: drives. Never had any problem.

Plain Waffle 1.65, and plain DOS 5.0

-- budi
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:25:08 GMT

In article <BBoXVB2w165w@visavis.uucp> abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
|I agree.  .QWK type readers are feature rich.  Some of them have
|database-like capabilities to let you store and categorize your messages.
|
|Rnews is very primitive by comparison.

Have you seen an rnews reader, or are you just making a baseless comparison?

The .QWK format is an utter hack if you're not running the software it was
originally designed for.  It has fixed-format headers, and no flexibility.

At least Rhys's packet definition has fields for saying what type of messages
are in a packet, so it's extensible, unlike .QWK .

Technically, Rhys's format is significanly superior to .QWK, since .QWK could
be trivially encompassed by Rhys's fromat, but .QWK can not easily support
USENET format, or Fido format, or anything else.

Whether the readers for Rhys's format catch up to the .QWK readers is another
question, but you certainly can't just discard a technically superior format
out of hand just because someone else already exists.

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: % codes?
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:51:26 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


spooge@sizone.uucp (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep) writes:

> Does anyone have a full list of % codes?

RTFM: static.doc

It's at the end of the doc....


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: uucico speed, bad headers
From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:48:28 NZST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand

spooge@sizone.uucp (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep) writes:

> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> 
> > 3. Make sure you have uu.fossil set up in static
> 
> truth.
> 
What is this? I can't find a "uu.fossil" in my documentation.



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