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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov16.165753.13098@hou.amoco.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.165753.13098@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:

   >Apparently, your skull is pretty thick, and you don't understand all 
   >of the ramifications of the above.  
   >1) NO ONE knows if a team is underrated or overrated vs another team, 
	>until they meet on the field.

I agree wholeheartedly.

   >2) The way it USED to work is that undefeated teams moved up the polls
	>until they lost, or (if by some mere chance they were overrated)
	>they get to get crushed on NYD.

The way it used to work was wrong.  Being undefeated (against crappy
teams) should not be the only consideration in ranking a team.

   >With FSU going by A&M in the polls, a major precedent is being said
   >  by the pollsters:

   >They have taken it upon themselves to choose who is the better team, and
   >it could turn into a major travesty.  How you ask?  Ok, Alabama loses a
   >game, and FSU goes to #2 and A&M goes to #3.  Miami and FSU decide on
   >the rematch in the Fiesta Bowl.  A&M goes on to win the Cotton Bowl.
   >Instant controversy over the polling system..  not that this hasn't been
   >true in the past...

The pollsters have ALWAYS taken it upon themselves to choose who is
best.  That's what the polls are all about!

   >If A&M is not going to win the MNC, I would prefer to lose it on the 
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   >playing field, not some pollster who looks at final scores only.  Besides,
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't worry, you will.

   >FSU BLEW THEIR CHANCE TO BEAT THE CANES, AGAIN. GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A 
   >CHANCE!

   >Remember everyone saying Nebraska and Michigan were better teams, not
   >10 days ago...  Why?  Because they were blowing ppl out...  I will take
   >consistency over that stuff anyday.

Unless it's consistent mediocrity against lousy teams.  Point well
taken about Michigan and Nebraska, though.  At one point or another
during the season I thought they were untouchable.  It looks like
nobody is truly untouchable this year.

   >Lets pitch the polls and get a real playoff... Maybe invite everyone 
   >with 8 wins over Div IA teams, and make the brackets according to how
   >many teams get 8 wins.

   >cmuck

The argument would then shift to which teams get in the playoffs,
because invariably someone would get the shaft.  That's why the NCAA
bball tourney keeps expanding.  So I guess we'd still have something to
argue about here in r.s.f.c.  "If team x had gotten into the playoffs,
like they deserved, they would've gone all the way.".






-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:44:07 GMT

lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

>In article <8f3prOG00iUy80hYoN@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Dave Meeks writes:
>>>And just what is a "cock-sucking fag artist"???  A female cigarette painter??
>>>I would dare say you should calm down and not make things so personal, it
>>>only shows your ignorance, hatred, and stupidity...
>>
>>Then I shall be IGNORANT, HATEFUL and STUPID....
>>Just as long as it annoys the hell out of you.
>Don't ever do that, Will. It's hazardous to your health, or your posting
>priviledge....

>Let me warn you. Meeks has a favorite strategy of threatening to notify 
>his opposition's postmaster to intervene when he is losing an argument. So 
>don't annoy the hell out of him too much. Every dog has its day.

>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          
Gosh Edward, if that's true why the hell are you still on here ???  ;-)
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
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Subject: Re: A&M beats TCU...
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:49:55 GMT
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In <1992Nov19.224712.6639@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu writes:

> (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
> 
> >Just to shut them up.  (they,
> >r.s.f.c fsu, sure do talk a lot of shit)
> 
> And aggies as a whole dont talk shit at all.  RIGHT.

  Folks, we have here the pot calling the kettle calling the skillet black.
It's really too bad we have to wait until Jan 1 to settle *any* of this at all.

> -Chris (in UT student section Thanksgiving night!!!)

  Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Those tu fans can be obnoxious. :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: ddo@wmod2000.larc.nasa.gov (Dale Ohmann)
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Subject: Re: AGGIES SUCK!!!
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:52:38 GMT
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> In article <1992Nov18.150602.10183@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
> >CLIFF!!! LEE!!! SOMEBODY!!! GET THE NET, I GOT ME A BIG ONE!!!
> 
> No Kevin, you just proved how immature you are.  Perhaps some day you will 
> realize the difference between good natured kidding and what you posted.
> 
> - goober (quit trying so hard for starters) smith

I've got to agree with goober on this one.  Kevin is a loose cannon.
He's demonstrating childish behavior nationwide.  Remember, he's the one
who started the "Bowden.sucks" thread after the 'Noles lost a very close
showdown with the 'Canes.

Don't think badly of all Seminoles (me included).  There have been more 
Seminoles coming out of the woodwork this week because of the #3 ranking. 
People are acting like FSU has just won the MNC (when actually the chances 
have only improved slightly).  Keep cool, folks.

Anyway, there are a lot of level-headed people from Tallahassee who respect
the other teams and fans.  All the teams in the top 5 could beat any other
one on any given day.  I personally think Texas A&M should be ranked above
any team with a loss.  That's the way it's always been.  Although, Aggies,
I guess you've noticed the effects of a weak schedule.

Sanely (for now at least),
Dale

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From: mearley@bnr.ca (Matt Earley)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Organization: BNR, Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:05:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.143317.21319@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>In article <75240@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) wrote:
>>}                    ND usually gets a very ugly reception down south, which
>>}has soured many ND alums from ever wanting to play there again.  
>>
>>Can you elaborate on this?  Did Notre Dame get a "very ugly reception"
>>in Birmingham, AL or Clemson, SC or Baton Rouge, LA or Jackson, MS or
>>at any other place they have played "down south" in recent memory?
>>Or are you really just talking about Miami, which is hardly representative
>>of the south?
>>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>>
>I don't know about every time they've played in the South.  Of course, the
>last few times in Miami were very ugly for the fans.  They were literally
>afraid for their safety.  There was an incident at Georgia Tech, but I
>don't know when exactly, maybe under Devine?  Maybe Pat Fleming or someone
>else knowledgeable about ND knows more about southern hospitality for ND?
Not too recent of a memory but ...
I remember being in Clemson in 1977 with my father and little brothers.  It was
a trip seeing all that orange and the tiger paws on the highway.  We were kind
of in a Clemson section and I did hear some choice things about yankees, Catholics,
and all those black Catholics.  My dad did have to remind some people that there 
were kids around, but it's hard to condemn a whole region based on some people.
After the game we went to the locker room to get programs autographed and there
was this guy in all orange yelling at the Notre Dame door saying "Hey Dee-Vine, 
get out here you sonuvabitch."  Not to "ugly" but funny enough to stick with me.
The games was one generally counted as one of Montana's comebacks.  I couldn't 
beleive 60,000 people could go from so noisy to so quiet so fast.  

I remeber talk of bad receptions at Georgia Tech and maybe Mississippi but can't 
remeber any details.  I always heard it was Yankee Catholic prejudice based, but 
problably stemmed from how obnoxiously arrogant all of us Notre Dame fans are. 

Matt Earley
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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
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Subject: WSU is going to the Copper Bowl
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:59:35 GMT

I suppose that anyone who really cares has alread heard, but
this afternoon (maybe noon or 1pm MST) the Copper Bowl people
announced that Washington State has been offered and has
accepted an appearence in the Copper Bowl, which is here in
sunny Tucson (I think Dec 29).  I don't know if they announced
anyone else, but this morning's paper said that they may wait
until Friday.  Candidates are Virginai (7-4), Utah (6-5), and Rice (6-4),
any of which <woof, woof> the Cougs ought to dispatch without
too much problem.
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From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:01:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.194506.19045@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>
>Alright you Noles in the know!  I realize it is a bit early to be thinking
>about next year already since we are still in the championship hunt this
>year.  But, I have heard that we lose Tulane for Notre Dame next year.  If
>so, that would probably be in South Bend right?  Wouldn't that give us
>5 home games and 6 road games next year?  That is,
>
>Miami, Clemson, N.C. State, Virginia, and Ga. Tech in Tallahassee
>
>Maryland, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, Florida, (and Notre Dame?) away
>
>
>We should have a strong team next year, but this would be a BRUTAL schedule
>to have to win (even if Notre Dame is in Tallahassee instead).  Can anyone
>confirm?
>
>D. Head

I seem to remember seeing something about some of the ACC games not
being opposite (home/away) next year on FSU's schedule.  I.E. FSU's
ACC opponents will not start an true alternating home and home until
next year.  But it could have all have been a dream.
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:31:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.173131.13131
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>Glenn Tanner (tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
>: This is not a joke, at least by me.  It's just another example of the double 
>:standard with which the NCAA enforces its penalties. If you are SMU or Tulsa, 
>: or some other small school, expect to be hit hard.  But, if you're Texas A&M, 
>: Texas, or any other big-money state university with a powerful athletic 
>
>  ie. Washington

Correct.

>: program, you'll get treated with kid gloves.  Even though they fit the 
>: qualifications for the NCAA Death Penalty, if I were Auburn, I wouldn't be 
>: too worried.
>
>You seem to have forgotten that A&M received a bit more than a slap on the
>hand for their transgressions.  Yes, I will admit that they did things
>wrong, and they got caught, but the football team was penalized, including
>loss of scholarships and post-season ban.  Additionally, they entire
>athletic program is now under "death-penalty" threat.

A&M went to three consecutive Cotton Bowls while these transgressions were
taking place.  During the 1988 season, they were penalized by no bowl and loss
of 5? scholarships.  At that point in the season, they had already been 
eliminated from the SWC title and wouldn't be going to the Cotton Bowl anyways.
That's not much more than a slap on the wrist if you ask me, especially when 
you consider the slaps SMU got in 1984 and TCU got in 1985.  And there is 
NO WAY the NCAA would ever give A&M the Death Penalty.  I seem to remember
their basketball team getting caught a couple of years ago.

>Now, what I found interesting was the PAC-10 commission's reccomendation
>that Hobert's loan not cause any forfeitures, because something like that
>should have no bearing on "on-field performances".  We are talking about

Yeah, I was kind of disgusted with that concept, too.  That is not the NCAA
talking, though.  I'm wondering what they're going to say.

GT

>Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
>scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
> (214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: rebuttle of Miami logic:
Summary: why miami is #1????
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:27:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov15.222739.22522
Reply-To: wessir@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington



>and anyone tries to say that they don't deserve it, they obviously know 
>almost nothing about football.  FSU, PSU, Arizona, and Syracuse??? Not
>too shabby...  Guess we just have to wait to see if Miami can do it.
So, here you imply that Arizona is a top team......
even with 3 losses and a tie Miami claims it as a big win since it was close.

>Alabama GOT LUCKY!!!!  That's right, Mississippi State should have won this
>game, leading late in the fourth.  But, like great teams do, they got a few 
So if Miami beats Alabama, we should not be impressed.  If Miami doesn't
win easily, we should doubt Miami's claim to #1.....

>Michigan...  It seems that as good as Michigan is, I can't give them any 
>respect this year.  In fact, the most impressive thing they have done is 
>tie Notre Dame.  I personally can't see them as a top 10 team.  They have 
So, by the same logic, Washington must crush Michigan to get any respect....


>Texas A&M... barely got by a mediocre Houston team...
So A&M not that good either?  So Miami just gets by Arizona then Arizona
must be equally good.....even though they have 3 losses and a tie ???
I'm having trouble with your reasoning..

>FSU crushed a team for the second season in the row.  Once again, without
>the loss to Miami, they are the MNC...  This is what makes me respect Miami
>even more...  
support for the another argument for just getting by is because the 
the opponent is great ???

>Arizona... Arizona...Yep,  they definetly had the emotional letdown in this
>game.  But what a great run...
consolation prize?

>the fabled PAC-10 drop a notch, as Washington State drops out of the top
>25 and after next week, out of the top 30.  California came into it with high
>expectations, and were exposed as a pretty average team. And,UCLA suffered
>injuries to hurt them this year.  So, the PAC-10 looks like Washington,
>Arizona, USC, and Stanford as the cream, and WSU as a decent team, with 
>the rest being pretty average teams...  
"fabled", sounds like you place your opinions with the polls... which are
based on records...  When the best teams start playing each other someone
has to lose.. and drop in the polls.  WSU wins 6 straight and you give them
respect because they are rated, then they start losing to pac-10 teams and
now they aren't good anymore??  Well, your half right... They have been the
suckers for a long time but always a threat, especially to teams outside
the pac-10.  So they were good when they didn't face the 10 and bad when they
did.  If they beat washington in the apple cup, will they be good again? NO!



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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:36:32 GMT

In article <1eokp4INNpt6@agate.berkeley.edu> hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William Hackett) writes:
>
>#1 don't even think you can compete academically.  Stanford,Cal, Rice are
>better than any of your schools flat out and I would take TA&M Texas UCLA
>as being better than all but your top one or two.. Football Give me a break

my weenie is bigger than your weeniE! Typical of PAC10 fans!!!

>ZZ

Njan
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PAC-10 has the best non-conference record in the nation.
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:34:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov23.053453.1682
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


  The title says it all.  The PAC-10 went 22-7-1 (.751) against non-conference
opponents.  This is the best among all the college football conferences in the
nation...

PAC-10 is simply the best!!

-Behzad
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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Organization: Florida State University
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:02:48 GMT

Vinny Tino writes
+ In article 26819@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee  
Koon Chua) writes:
+ >
+ >To all the AP and CNN/USA pollsters:
+ >    Please use some common sense! What have TAMU done to deserve this high 
+ >ranking? They have the SHITTIEST schedule among the top 10 teams. They  
fact 
+ >that they are still undefeated doesn't mean they are good. Look at their
+ >shit schedules. Who have they played so far?? How many games have you guys
+ >seen TAMU played so far to say that they are good (From Thurs game, they  
don't
+ >look like a top 25 team to me).
+ >    Again, please use some brain when making a vote. 
+ 
+ AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bullshit! Who has FSU played that was any good, Vinny? GaTech? 5-5.
And FSU was seriously in the hole against them! Clemson? maybe a 
loosing season? Tulane? Can you say run the damn score up? Maryland? 
another patsy. The only real team that they've played so far is Miami, 
and they LOST. Once again they had more than sufficient opportunity to 
write their own destiny, but couldn't put it in the endzone. Miami
made the most of all their opportunities.

I used to think Miami was the scum of college football. Maybe they
used to be. But they're well behaved under Erikson, and now FSU is
starting to lose respect. My hat's off to Erikson and his team.

James
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
Organization: American Math. Society
	<ASH.92Nov17144216@ulysses.mr.ams.com> <kdF=as+@engin.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:08:48 GMT


I wrote:

   > MSU beats Indiana, rushes for 450 yds., passes for -2, blows out
   > Holiday Bowl opponent.  Everyone picks Spartans to win Big Ten in
   > 1993, but they lose the first five before winning the rest of their
   > games.

Ooops.  That should have been Illinois, not Indiana.



-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:21:39 GMT

Because of violations committed by ONLY its track and field program, all Tulsa
University team sports have been placed on 3 years probation and banned from 
post-season play this year.  That's right, ALL Tulsa team sports.  Additionally,
all Tulsa team sports will be forced to forfeit victories for the past 3? years,
costing the women's golf team a national title.

This is not a joke, at least by me.  It's just another example of the double 
standard with which the NCAA enforces its penalties.  If you are SMU or Tulsa, 
or some other small school, expect to be hit hard.  But, if you're Texas A&M, 
Texas, or any other big-money state university with a powerful athletic program,
you'll get treated with kid gloves.  Even though they fit the qualifications for
the NCAA Death Penalty, if I were Auburn, I wouldn't be too worried.


GT


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Illinois dignity
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.213434.1260@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

   kevins@netcom.com (Kevin Schraith) writes:
   >Ummm... I admit I may have started this slew of Illinois woofing with by
   >jokingly predicting a win which almost happened and then gloating about it,
   >but my conscience forces me to do this.

   it was the boldest prediction I have seen in a long time that
   *almost* came true.  congrats.

Agreed.

   >Fellow Illini fans, PLEASE stop the woofing now, before someone gets hurt.
   >And especially try to refrain from the playground namecalling and CAPITALIZED

   well basically all I have to say is, the tie (and bouncing them
   from the natl championship hunt) made me sooo happy.
   I don't mind seeing dolts from michigan suffer one bit....
   although I suppose ever being in ann arbor is suffering enuf.  |-)

This isn't fair, Doc.  Urbana is so isolated that lots of people have never
seen it.  Somebody might think you actually mean this.  Even you aren't
twisted enough to prefer Urbana over Ann Arbor.

   >Oh, and while I'm at it, I'd also like to call for the end to all ethnic
   >violence in the world, shelter for the homeless, and peace and happiness for
   >all mankind (personkind?)

   agreed.  increase the peace, but hell this is bigtime 
   rivalry college football!  :-)

No it isn't.  Illinois played a hell of a game this year, but in the recent
past they haven't performed their best against michigan.  Our rivalries are
OSU, MSU, ND, and probably soon PSU.  Illinois only comes into it for those
of us who remember the biting illini, and even for us you guys haven't put up
a good enough fight to be a minor rivalry, let alone a bigtime one.
Hopefully this year is a sign for the future, and the games will be more
interesting.

Bill

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