From: must@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mustafa Syed)
Subject: Re: Pakistan is lilbit different from Israel
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 21:41:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.090413@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>In article <1hbgk4INN13q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
>writes:
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>> >The creation of the Jewish state of Israel solely on the basis of religion
>> >which resulted in the mass expulsion of Arabs and non-jews is derided by the
>> >entire muslim world and possibly by a large number of Pakistanis; but I've
>never
>> >understood how the creation of the muslim state of Pakistan was justified in
>the
>> >same breadth by the same people.
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>> >--Javed.
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>> 	Pakistan and India were Created by bisecting pre-1947 India.
>> 	People who lived in post-47 India were living there for centuies.
>> 	Similarly people who lived in Pakistan lived there for Centuries.
>> 	i.e. Baluchis, Panjabis, Sindhis, Bengalis, and Pathans. Yes, huge
>> 	trans-border migration took place, but all of the people who now live
>> 	in Pakistan and India,  lived in pre 47 India for thousands of years.
>> 	Israel on the other hand was created for bringing people who
>> 	did not belong to Palestine. In other words, Jews who live in
>> 	todays Israel, most of them are of non Palestinian ancestary.
>> 	i.e. people of pre 1948 Palestine <> people of Jordan + People of
>> 					     Israel + People of West Bank
>> 						      of river Jordan.
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>> 	but people of pre 1947 India = people of modern Pakistan 
>> 				     + people of modern India.
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>I'm not disputing the fact that the people of India and Pakistan belonged to
>pre-partition India. I am disputing the ideology that resulted in the creation
>of these religion inspired countries. 
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	So you the first question that you posted was misrepresentation of
	what you intended. Now you make the point that you dispute the
	idealogy without even knowing WHAT IDEALOGY! read on....


>In the case of Israel, the majority of the Jews around the world are Semites,
>like the Arabs and descendents of the Jewish tribes of the ancient biblical land
>comprising present day Israel, who were exiled from their lands.
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>My argument is that if religion is the sole justification for creating Pakistan,
>then the creation of Israel also cannot be faulted on that token.
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	Your argument is based on wrong presumptions. Religion is NOT the
	SOLE justification for creating Pakistan. The justification is
	based on the religion AND the followers of the religion being a
	majority who voted to form the state of Pakistan.

	In case of Israel, Religion is indeed the SOLE justification and
	is implemented WITH OUT any regard to the local population. That
	is clearly unacceptable. It is like Someone getting up one day and
	deciding that he wants to live in some house which his ancestors
	sold/vacated a few generations back because he has found a letter 
	from his grand grand parent that that house will bring him luck and 
	fortune. Ofcourse, if any body is living there, it is just too bad, 
	out he goes with his family and stuff and in moves
	your hero!

>Before people get worked up, I must make it clear that I support the claims
>of the Palestinians in their fight against Israel because the foundation of
>the Israeli state is based on morally unacceptable and illegal premises.
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>But I see the same parallels, though not of the same magnitude, in the creation
>of Pakistan.
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	You can see what you feel like seeing. That is your right, BUT that
	that does not make it RIGHT!

	Mustafa Syed.


>--Javed.
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>> Mansoor Khan
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