HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:37:30 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na  

In article <1992Dec16.212856.17886@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>>Who posted the original article?  This is the most stupid thread I have ever
>>>see in USENET.  It is like asking "IS WHITE AMERICAN BRITISH"? or "IS WHITE
>>>CANADIAN BRITISH"?
>>>
>>>How stupid.  Another bitching thread from the pro-CCPers, I guess...
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>if so why are all the guys from Taiwan arguing among each other?
>>are the "yes" side CCP/KMT spies?  ;->  
>>
>
>That's because a small group of people in Taiwan who are holding most of
>the power don't want to be Taiwanese. Since they controled all of the mass
>medias, so they could constantly brainwash Taiwanese that they are Chinese.
>Of cause, some people buy it, but any body with minimal independent thought
>will laugh at it.
>

	Can you be sure it is only a small group of people?   Can you be
sure that if ROT was a reality, the government will not brainwash people
to say that they are not Chinese?  

	How can you be sure that Taiwanese are not Chinese culturally and
ethinically?  You don't have to be brainwashed to see that the on the   
tombstone of my ancestors who died before KMT ever existed with the 
exact location and city of my ancestrial origin.  Do you mean to say that
the KMT came and secretly switched all these tombstones?

	Just because you surround yourself with people who advocate TI, it
does not mean that most people in Taiwan wanted TI.  

	What gives you the God Damn right to play GOD and say that I am 
not a Chinese?  What gives you the right to tell other Taiwanese that 
they are not Chinese?  

	Oh!  Of Course, if you are an aboriginal person you have the 
right to claim that you are not Chinese.  If so you have the right
to say all Chinese get out of my Island!  That of course means that
you are ethically philipino or malay or even some other minor pacific 
island tribal people.  But no, most of people in Taiwan not are not
aboriginal, they gotta be from somewhere.  Don't tell me they pop up from
under a big rock all of a sudden.  

	Anyway.  Becareful what you say.  It is all flame bait as far 
as I am concerned.  

	I advocate Taiwanese self-determination, that means we don't need
the old KMT nor people like you to tell us what we are.

- C. H. Yang

>Yi-Chieh
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: All those tricky problems
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:25:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>increasing numbers. They don't help you get jobs, neither do they help you
>earn money. They don't even help your GRE analytical.

You don't do everything for a serious purpose! Sometimes you just do
things for pleasure and fun. You don't suppose you can achieve anything
BIG by reading SCC, do you? But if you do, you are dead wrong!

>One thing is for sure: they reflect Chinese culture. At least they were

I don't really see how "generation old math/logic/just-for-fun" is part 
of CHINESE culture. Do you mean Americans or any other people are not
interested in these kind of problems.  I mean, why does everything chinese
do have to be labled CHINESE? 

>Fifty years from now I'll open it and use them to rejuvenate my brain.
^^^^^^
You don't have to save them or open them, I am sure they will be there
by themselves. You will find yourself telling your children or 
grandchildren.
ZZZ
From: jcao@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Jingbin Cao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: AEIC News Special Report (2/2)
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:33:29 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

}claims to aims to introduce domestic information to overseas CSS and promote 
}information and academic exchange.  The current circulation is 6-7,000/mo. and 
}it costs 2 yuan RMB to publish each copy but 8-10 yuan to distribute each copy 
}overseas.  However, in US most copies have been sat in Chinese consulate 
}without ever getting to CSS. Thus, they wish CAL could help to allocate some 
}agencies which take the print and distribution directly in US, like the 
}"People's Daily".  They will pay for the whole operation and send offset via 
}airlines so that the print agency could print directly.  The current 
}subscription is $2.50/issue, containing 48 pages + 2 pages of covers.

If making money is not an issue, why can't these publications be
distributed electronically? Via email or ftp? HXWZ is doing well I
suppose, and so should People's Daily or whatever. How that PD is
about to cost money, and I'd expect it might wind up like another
SZXR.
From: ma@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Charles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Ms. Fei Ning (Nina) !!!
Keywords: Fei Ning, Nina Fei, looking for, friend
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:26:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6590
Followup-To: ma@cs.pdx.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

Dear Netters:

I will appreciate any information about Ms. Fei Ning.
Her English name should be Nina Fei. 

She lived San Jose, Sunny Valle several years ago.

This is for a friend. Please contact me if you know
any information about her.

My e-mail address: ma@cs.pdx.edu
Telephone 503-228-6955

Thanks for your attention to this.

_Charles
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:54:58 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

>>>Not so simple. I thought the CCP have, for the longest time, maintained
>>>that they simply haven't bothered to "conquer" Taiwan, but in their mind,
>>>the whole nation is theirs after they took over the capitol; and "nation"
>>>does include Taiwan.
>>
>>Are you implying that if one beat its opponent in bussiness can take his
>>wife, children, houses, etc ?
>>
>>CCP has already got all he could and should get after beaten KMT at 1949 
>>and whatever left belongs to ROC, or Taiwan.
>analogy is for the purpose of illustrating or dramatizing the point people want to 
>make. A lot of "analogies" made in this net are normally further complicate
>the oringinal points people wantes to make and need further explanation.
>

Then tell us which law says that when one country defeated another country
can take everything owned by that country even when the defeated country
still exists and has control over its property ? If CCP wants to get Taiwan, 
fine, come to get it, it is not granted.
Taiwan belongs to ROC and the people lived in Taiwan.
Why Chinese are so addicted to force other people to become Chinese 
while so many Chinese want to be American ? That's I called fuck!

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron)
Subject: Re: Respose to Jian Chen's 8th article
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:37:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.143233.5930@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>In article <RPT=aG#@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) write
>s:

>Is it easy to imagine that HK will not achieve today's economic
>success without British. True, British government had badly taken
>HK over, but because of the way British govern (I mean the way
>western people govern, not only the British government), HK
>had achieve its economic success nowadays. What will happen if


Can you please explain how Singapore became so prosperous?
It became prosperous AFTER the Chinese took it over.

Hongkong's prosperity resulted solely from the work of
people of HongKong.  The British deserves no credit.

You should say HongKong became prosperous in spite of
British subjugation.

So I think the people of Hong Kong should have nothing
to fear from Beijing.  They will remain to be prosperous
in spite of Beijing also.






Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bozkurt@grad.math.waterloo.edu (Bozkurt Celik)
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Organization: ECE,OSU,Corvelle
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:07:17 GMT

this is a test
bozkurt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:25:53 GMT

In article <BzDzDK.6Ls@cs.psu.edu> wang@math.psu.edu writes:

[the problem about three doors deleted]
>
>No!  Please!  This Monty Hall problem has stirred up many furious debates
>in many newsgroups, I personally watched the debates in soc.culture.taiwan,
>and it also happened in rec.puzzle and sci.math.  People tried hard to
>convince others that others were wrong, but many efforts are futile.
>They quarrelled over two answers: switch---2/3 chance to win; and switch---
>1/2 chance to win.
>
>My suggestion: run a computer simulation to check your answer.
                if you are computer oriented;
     or,         go to read Ameriacan Mathematics Monthly (a recent
issue)
                if you are mathematics oriented.

Have fun!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fwan4@mach1.wlu.ca (franklin wan 9208 U)
Subject: Her name is Noriko Sakai
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:54:16 GMT

For some of u guys who might want to know about this girl, I gotta tell u that
she's a
Japanese singer or movie star..or something like that, and her name is
Noriko Sakai...(may be incorrect spelling). Anyway..not a Chinese.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:59:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.004050.10839@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>This problem I saw in Reader's Digest of China.
>This happened in a show. There are three doors, behind two of them are two
>goats, and behind the remaining door is a car. Of course you want to land
>on the car. Now the host asks you which door you want to have open, let's
>say you choose door No.1. At this time, the host opens one of the other
>two doors, say door No.3 and shows you that it is a goat behind it.
>Question: To enhance your chances of winning the car, should you stick
>to door No.1 or switch to door No.2 or there is no diffrence between
>the two choices? 
>
>This is not as easy as some people think. Thousands of Ph.D's gave the 
>wrong answer.
>
>Have fun!

Well, let me try my luck.

No.2 and No.3 are the doors of the car.

I hope that I can drive the car home, though it only worths $200.

:*8
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhou@okra.fnal.gov (Ping Zhou)
Subject: 24 points or no 24 points
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:01:42 GMT

Given any solvable set, there is always someone who's gonna say it's easy.
Now, can someone show us some kind of procedure that would prove that some set
of 4 integers cannot be arithmatically combined to make a 24 ?

Any volunteers ?

-- 
		    Put Your Favorite Quote Here.
For information contact          zhou@linac.fnal.gov | zhou@fnal.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Another Math question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:37:19 GMT

In article <BzC3ry.DFw@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>Here is another Math problem:
>Using three 2's to represent all the nature numbers.

Hint: use a 1 , a 2 and a 3 to do the same.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:23:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.004421.10199@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>You are still proving what I said above. A Taiwanese won't try to
>"purify" someone's blood by force. 

All Taiwanese?  Most Taiwanese?  Some Taiwanese?

>It's not like you. I still
>appreciate those Chinese who respect Taiwanese' thoughts as well as
>Taiwanese' decision though.

Do you respect Taiwanese decision?  If Taiwanese elect a government
called the "Republic of China" whose view is that "Taiwan is part of
China but not part of PRC," then shouldn't Taiwan be considered part
of China?

Also, if Taiwan does declare a "Republic of Taiwan," are you going to
let any electoral district in which a majority disagrees to secede?

>Taiwan is part of China? Sounds like KMT right-winger. Come on, Ma'am/
>Mister, be realistic. 

What's unrealistic about a "de facto two China" policy?  It seems to
describe quite well, what's going on.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li)
Subject: Re: NEWS: Survey Article of Chinese Economy
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:07:21 GMT


        The SUMFN Campaign Owns Public an Explanation

      What has happended to its "national coordinator" ?

Time flys.  Had Mr. Xiaowen Li not mentioned the name of SUMFN Campaign
and its "national coordinator" Raymond Luh (in a previous post), most
people probably have forgotten the drama happened just a year ago.

To my surprise, probably to many others as well, Mr. Xiaowen Li not only
brought the interest issue in front of us again, he even further suggested
a possibility of start the whole "mass" all over again :-) (see the
attached portion).

Well, before another round of spy chasing begins, would Xiaowne and/or
those former SUMFN Campaign "coordinators" give the public an explanantion
on:

  What have happened to Raymond Luh, the former "national coordinator" ?

The public has the right to know.  Let's learn something about responsibility.
When Mr. Luh and former coordinators went on a nationwide campaign to
collect public "signatures", when the 1,000+ some name list was presented
to the US Congress on behalf of soem CSS and to some "interested people's"
Christmas Cards, as well as to the media, (now it seems in the hand of
FBI and CCP, too - guessing from lix's post) the Campaign Coordinators not
only represented those who signed, they also toke some responsibilities.  For
one, they have the obligation to report to the public on what happended
to the national coordinator, and what, if any, possible problems other
people involved might face, and etc.

Since Xiaowen mentioned Raymond's problem not long ago, I mailed to
him asking for more information.  Xiaowen responded by saying knowing
no more.  Well, apparently Mr. lix got soemthing new - based on his
last post.  Then, please tell the public about the whole event.  This
question is not for lix along, other coordinators should help out
as well.

Regards

Jinghong Li
for and only for myself
---------------------------------------------------------

> From: Xiaowen Li <lix@CRSA.BU.EDU>
> Subject:      Re: NEWS: Survey Article of Chinese Economy

> I appreciate the prudence of IFCSS this year on the CMFN issue, otherwise,
> someone may have to do the same as the last year's SUMFN champaign again and
> get the same trouble as this gentleman's.
>
> Shame on you, small report maker(s)!!!
>
> Li Xiaowen, Boston University
>

-- 
- ........................................................................-
Politics is like coaching a football team.  you have to be smart enough
to understand the game but not smart enough to lose interest.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bozkurt@grad.math.waterloo.edu (Bozkurt Celik)
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Organization: ECE,OSU,Corvelle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:56:28 GMT

this is a test
bozkurt
From: BCH0016@uabdpo.BITNET (ZHENG GONG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:16:41 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Please ignore!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Subject: Re: Another fun problem
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:08:41 GMT

In article <009653AE.0C797620@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> In article <BzFCF5.HJI@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
|> >In article <BzEy8M.3z8@cs.psu.edu> wang@math.psu.edu writes:
|> >>
|> >>Wanna win some big money?  Everybody does.
|> >>
|> >>Now I'm offering a game.  The rule is the following:  Let's flip a fair
|> >>coin.  If the result is heads, then I pay you $1; if it's tails, flip
|> >>again.  In general, keep flipping until the first heads appears.  If
|> >>heads appears at the first toss, like I said above, I'll pay you $1; if
|> >>heads appears at the second toss, i.e. the results of two tosses are
|> >>T-H, I'll pay you $2; if heads appears at the third toss (T-T-H), I'll
|> >>pay you $4; if T-T-T-H, I'll pay you $8; and so on, every additional
|> >>toss and the amount I pay you is doubled.
|> >>
|> >>Since the game always ends up with that I pay you some money,
|> >>as the host, I charge you $10 for playing the game.
|> >>
|> >>Now would you like to play the game?
|> >
|> >Yes, because the expected value is infinity. But the catch is that I
|> >should have a large amount of money to be prepared.:-)
|> >
|> 
|> stop sir, I dont want to see you lose until your pants.
|> the average income is 50c after you pay $10 to play.

The average win = sum(n=0,inf) p*(1-p)**n * 2**n = inf   where p=0.5 for a fair coin.

The trick here is the time needed to win big. To get even, that is to win an average $10
back, one needs to play 2**20 ~ 1million games, if one game takes 1 minute, it is over
6 years for eight hours per day playing. While the host can deposit the ticket sale money
into US bond and get 40% return (backed by the full credit of US government), that's around
2 million dollars!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:37:42 GMT


>	Its all about finding our roots and about finding out what our 
>identity really is.  It is gonna be much easier if there are nice people
>on both sides of the strait.  And its also about being tolerant of 
>our diffences and grow from our similarity.  
>
>-C. H. Yang

	from reading some of the discussion involved this topic --
	i think that it might be a lot of 'fun' for a 'taiwanese'
	to visit china, to explore his/her own root, but it might
	not be so 'pleasant' when u consider settling down in china.
	after all, a 'taiwanese' is used to living in taiwan and,
	very likely, not willing to deal w/ some changes over in china.
	this also might be the same for people living in china, too.
	it could be hard for them to deal w/ the changes in taiwan.

	/seb@u.washington.edu
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: a fun problem
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:57:20 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <16DEC199210082022@rigel.tamu.edu> f0l8973@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.235211.7349@ee.rochester.edu>, yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes...
>>Now let's have something more advanced. Given 13 balls that look exactly the
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>same but one of the 13 balls differs in weight from the others, can you 
>>find out this ball by using a balance(tian1 ping2) only three times?
>> 
>>Meng
>
>
>You must be kidding!

I am not kidding, sir. This should be harder than the 24 point game. Up 
to now, I have received only one reply from someone in Pittsburg and I
don't know if he has got the correct answer or not, because his mail
was destroyed for no reason before I could get a chance to read it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: The answer to the 13 balls problem
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:31:15 GMT

In article <9212200346.AA01471@thames.bu.edu> lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>Hint: In 2-B, you can have three possibilities instead of only two, namely:
>
>1) Balanced, 2) unbalanced as in the first unbalance, 3) unbalanced but
>the unbalance is reversed as in the first unbalance.
>
>Of course in order to get these three possibilities you need mark a potential
>odd ball and move it to the other side:-)

In 2-B, it means the odd ball is among the 4 4 group. I'll denominate
the balls as A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M. First time I'll scale: 
A+B+C+D v E+F+G+H, If they are not balanced, then the odd ball is one
of them. Then I'll scale:
A+B+C+E+F v H+I+J+K+L+M, Then there are three cases as you discribed
above.
Case 1. The odd ball is among D,G,H.
Case 2. means it is among A,B,C. Case 3 means it is among E,F.
Then there shouldn't be any problem to pick up the ball.
Thanks 

Tingli Pan   
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32537 soc.culture.taiwan:16120 soc.culture.hongkong:16214
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:51:22 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Dec13.230248.3716@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>From article <1992Dec12.033631.6712@athena.mit.edu>, by joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang):
>> In article <1992Dec10.221810.12723@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>>>Division to me is not a bad idea. I would like to see that happens
>>>someday. My guess is it's a big plus to Chinese (Hwa Ren). 
>> 
>> Why do you think it's a good thing?  History shows that when China is
>> divided, it is vunerable to invasions and civil unrest.  The periods
>> in which China has been divided have been the worst in its history.
>> There is a reason why the desire for "unity" is strong among Chinese,
>> and that reason is that unified Chinese government, despite all of
>> their problems, have historically worked better than divided Chinese
>> governments.
>> 
>> You might think that dividing China is good because it gets rid of one
>> oppressive government (the PRC).  Perhaps it would get rid of one
>> oppressive government, but it would be at the cost of generating
>> twenty or more oppressive governments.  What's more, all those
>> governments will be fighting each other.
>> 
>> It is perhaps true that the People's Republic of China is overly
>> centralized, but dividing the PRC up into a lot of sovereign states
>> seems to be too much decentralization.
>> 
>> I'm interested in finding out why you disagree.
>> 
>
>To me, history does not prove that division is bad to China. China
>has never gone this far toward an industrial country before. China
>has never had 1 billion people before. People in China have never
>had intellectual level this high before. I don't expect people in
>China will do what history tells them the best.
>
>My argument is simple. I think one government just cannot serve billion
>people too well. The population, the complexity are just too big to
>handle properly.
>
>
>Heng-Hsin
>

As the beginning of the 'Stories of the three kingdoms' says, a long
division leads to reunion and a long union leads to division. That
seems to have been proved by history. We are in a state of long division,
and a reunion will follow, believe it or not. Arguing does not solve the
problem.

Meng Yao
From: s075198@bayes.carleton.ca (junliu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "When China Wakes: a survey of China" by 'The Economist'
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:52:58 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <BzCD5J.CKE@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

> (staff deleted)
>   I prey for China and the World.
>chunde

It does not sound like you.  You used to shout: Beat their shit out!!!