HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:54:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Jul30.195625.24466@utkux1.utk.edu>, Mukul Shirvaikar writes:

> He has passed all the drug tests to date. 

How many ex-Soviets have actually failed one of these jokes that
passes for a "drug test"?  Also, there is no drug test for human
growth hormone.

> I wonder how you can "take one look at his face" and claim that  
> he's used human growth hormone. 

Do you know anything about human growth hormone and its effects?

It looks like a lot of you are living in a drug-free fantasy land.
C'mon people, he's a super-heavyweight *wrestler* and he's called
"The Experiment" by the other wrestlers.  Drug-free?  And all
of the other athletes are drug-free, right?  The first time I
saw Ben Johnson I *knew* that he was a heavy steroid user just from
the way he looked (very low bodyfat, very hard musculature and
great strength).  I remember similar people with similar arguments
before Ben got caught about how he was drug-free.

Steroids are rampant among the weightlifters and wrestlers, and
also among track athletes (men and women) and swimmers.  It truly
is an all-drug Olympics, and Kirelin is by far the most blatant
example.  Grow up.
-- 
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"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
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From: swalker@uts.EDU.AU (S Walker)
Subject: Janet Evans
Organisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:51:59 GMT
Summary: Phone number of Janet Evans
Keywords: Janet

Does anyone know Janet Evans phone number?
From: dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Demonstration Sports in '96
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:43:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Reston, VA

Does anyone know whether the demonstration sports for Atlanta have been
determined?

If they haven't been determined, who will decide, and how will the decision
be made?  Is there an opportunity for public input/comment?
-- 
                                           Dave Marshall
                                           dmarshal@stars.reston.unisys.com
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From: fernande@cps.msu.edu (Jose Roberto Fernandez)
Subject: How to select only result postings using rn
Originator: fernande@atlantic.cps.msu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:43:57 GMT

This will work if you are using rn assuming all result postings contain
the word result (case insensitive) on the subject line.

1. While reading an article, enter /result/:M
which will search for all articles containing the word result (case
insensitive) and mark them to return.

2. Then press c
for 'catch up' to mark everything else as read.  You might have to press
y to verify.

3. Then press Y
for 'Yank' to get back everything marked in step 1.

At this point you can kill additional articles containing CMT: or Re:
-- 
Jose Roberto Fernandez
fernande@cps.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Medal Counts
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:14:06 GMT

In article <4087@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> news@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>
>I think that we should go back to the days when they did not even have
> national anthems, the olympics is all about individual struggle. 

Modern Olympics have ALWAYS been about NATIONAL struggle. A closer look at
the life of Pierre de Coubertin and other founding fathers of modern Olympics
reveals that they were ideologically rather close to fascism. Sad, but true.

>It is when
> success at the olympics is taken as how successful a nation is in the world
> that some of the more distasteful excesses occour like the enforced 
>pregnancies and state controlled drug taking of bulgaria and East Germany
>which may or may not be worse than the profit seeking drug taking of
>the non-communist countries. 
>
>		Andy Weir

Talking about sacrificing individuals for the country's success, look at the
U.S. female gymnastics team and all the injuries their small and distorted
bodies had to suffer. Especially shocking is the case of Betty Okino, whose
bones are not strong enough for her muscles and keep breaking. The fact that
the doctors let her continue with competitive gymnastics is truly shocking
and is a blatant violation of medical ethics.

Sven

Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1815 rec.sport.basketball.pro:15205 rec.sport.basketball.college:14184 rec.sport.basketball.misc:415 rec.sport.basketball:77
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.sport.basketball.pro,rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.basketball
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 3): scores by halves USA-GER
Keywords: Basketball, results, day 3
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:32:40 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1992Jul30.143050.14808@alw.nih.gov>, etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck) writes:
|> 
|> Frankly, the coverage of the men's basketball games are starting to really,
|> really suck. NBC Primetime coverage pulled away after about 10+ mins left
|> in the first half. Sometimes one of the sports radio stations will cover
|> the game, but the local executives at the station also have decided not to
|> cover the games once 3PM ET comes around and it's a blowout. 
|> 
|> I hope the women's basketball coverage will be better.
|> 

  Ha! Most people don't think women's basketball is as good to watch as
  mens - you don't see as many spactacular dunks, etc. And our women really
  haven't gotten much publicity. They got off to an excellent start winning
  BIG in their first game by a Dream Team like score. But I doubt we'll see
  much of their games on tv.

|> I do thank those who are filling in the spaces with regards to the other
|> basketball games. It's not an easy thing to do here in the US with the media
|> emphasis on the US team.

  The US MEN's team. The women don't get the publicity, and they won't get
  the air time either I'm afraid. 

-Ron
From: P.A.Addison@lut.ac.uk (Paul Addison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: YACHTING: News - Day 1
Keywords: yachting, news
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:09:09 GMT
Expires: 10 Aug 1992
Reply-To: P.A.Addison@lut.ac.uk (Paul A. Addison)
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


YACHTING NEWS - DAY 1
=====================


Lack of wind
------------ 
A lack of wind forced the cancellation of the first day's competition in
all 10 classes.

Race officials said a breeze of less than five knots was too weak for
competition.  Racing will now take place on one of the reserve days later
in the regatta.


Sailboarder Out
---------------
Canadian Murray McCraig has been forced out of the Lechner A-390
sailboarding event after breaking his leg when his bicycle collided with a
police car in the Olympic village.
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1015 soc.culture.british:10700
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:58:33 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

Why is there only one British Olymipic team?
This is not a stupid question, as the UK/GB does not normally 
have a single team in cricket, football, rugby and probably various
other sports.

   Instead there are separate teams for England, Scotland, Wales and
Northern Ireland.   So why did these four countries decide to have
one team for the olympics, why not one olympic association each and 
so one team each.

   In the Commonwealth Games the Isle of Man, Jersey, and Guernsey each
had their own teams.  Do they compete as part of the British team in 
the Olympics?

   What exactly is the name the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and 
Northern Ireland" competes under in the Commonwealth and Olympic Games?
Is it Great Britain or United Kingdom?
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From: killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Jul27.164759.18863@athena.mit.edu>
	<1992Jul27.195405.14231@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<1992Jul28.143904.23971@athena.mit.edu> <Bs3wIn.7nH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:17:47 GMT

In article <Bs3wIn.7nH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:
   with horrible refs and know that it is frustrating, but once you get a yellow

Afterall, we refs are only human...not superhumans that some players
seem to be.


Refereeing -- World's most difficult sport.
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From: jsandler@encore.com (Jeff Sandler)
Subject: Re: TripleCast News
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:17:29 GMT

GAINES@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Richard Gaines Jr.) writes:


>>In article <1992Jul30.132150.2433@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) writes:

>>NBC said the TripleCast would be shown on CNBC, its financial cable network,
>>from 5-9pm Thursday and Friday nights and from midnight to 4am Friday and
>>Saturday mornings. CNBC is carried as basic cable on most systems.

>>A question remains, though: which channel gets broadcast for free? And do
>>I get to miss John McLaughlin? :)

>They are going to show a split screen with all 3 channels!  There will be no
>audio during the broadcast!

>My question is ...... If the screen is split into 3 sections you need a big
>screen tv to really be able to see much of anything?!!  Right?!

>Richard Gaines, Jr.
>" The Olympics are trully only for non-professionals!"

Actually, they are going to split it into four sections.
The other one will have a sales pitch of some sort..we will get the audio
for that..
Solution (on some cable systems):  Have two TV's..<one can be in the
other room>..turn the one you are watching to CNBC.  Turn the other one
to the channel you want to pay attention to.  On some cable systems, the
video is scrambled, but not the audio..so you can get sound that way..and
the picture from CNBC.



--
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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Countries of the 1st Olympics
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:28:47 GMT

In <1992Jul29.190314.18001@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>In article <KILLER.92Jul29182428@robocop.hut.fi>, killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>|> Ah, but Finland has won at least one GOLD medal since 1906, giving

>I am quite sure Finland didn't even get a single olympic medal in 1906.
>Totally shut out :-).

If we take into account (as people usually do) the 'mid-term' Olympics
in Athens then my statement is valid.

Actually, it is valid anyway.  If you don't accept the 1906 games as
being Olympic games, then the next games were in London 1908 where
Finland got 1 gold, 1 silver and 3 bronze medals.
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Unisex Olympics?
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:02:05 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <TEUBEN.92Jul27155532@lynx.astro.umd.edu> teuben@lynx.astro.umd.edu (Peter Teuben) writes:
>I've noted no (or very few?) events in which both
>men *AND* women compete for the same medal, perhaps
>equestrian? 

Exactly three sports allow men and women to compete for the same medal
in some events. 

All equestrian events, some yachting, and some shooting fall into
this category.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 100m Breaststroke Heat 7
Summary: results complete
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:35:02 GMT

SWIMMING - Men's 100m Breaststroke Heat 7
=========================================
  
World Record		1:01.29
Olympic Record		1:01.65


1	GILLINGHAM, Nick		GBR	1:01.81		Qualified
2	IVANOV, Vassili			EUN	1:01.91		Qualified
3	MOORHOUSE, Adrian		GBR	1:02.09		Qualified
4	WARNECKE, Mark			GER	1:02.48
5	VOSSART, Stephane		FRA	1:02.81
6	CECCHI, Andrea			ITA	1:03.28
7	BOURDON, Christophe		FRA	1:04.43
8	DEBURGHGRAEVE, Frederik		BEL	1:05.10


** Results complete **

Rod Swift
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From: van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.142329.5464@alw.nih.gov> etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil  
Thomas Chuck) writes:
> millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe) writes:
> :As soon as someone finds out the results of the
> :Japanese protest of yesterday's match, please
> :post it.
> :
> :FYI...my understanding of the protest is due
> :to possible referee error. Allegedly, the ref
> :should have ejected a USA player, instead of
> :giving him another (his 2nd) warning for yelling
> :at a ref. This ejection would also have awarded
> :Japan with another point...that point would
> :have given the 4th game (and match) to Japan.
> :Instead, USA turns it around and wins 4th and 5th
> :games for the match.
> 
> To my knowledge, the Japanese protest was granted. I don't know what
> the FIVA committee decided as to the recourse. I think they'll replay  
the
> game from the point of protest.
> 
> --
> Emil Thomas Chuck 			etchuck@helix.nih.gov

As another poster said, Japan was given the match, which makes sense.
The ref error occurred with Japan up 14-13.  A US player yelled
at the ref and received his second yellow card.  However, players
don't get second yellows.  The card should have been a red which
would have given Japan a point, resulting in a 15-13 Japanese 4th game
and the match would have gone to Japan 3-1.  I doubt they would replay
such a cut and dry situation.

Van Vo
Wash U VBC
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:53:24 EDT
From: <MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympic Handball
 <25944ZU@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <9443@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>

I was just wondering the other day how quickly the US basketball team
could pick up Team Handball.  8-) 8-) 8-)
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Good news about results
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:29:13 GMT

I have again decided to continue posting Swimming heats after the enormous
response to my mailbox.

Rod
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMQUALIFIED: W's 100m Butterfly Final
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:30:17 GMT

OLYR SWIM 15 BARCELONA
   Women's 100 metres butterfly final qualifiers:
 1.  Wang Xiaohong (China)                            59.34
 2.  Qian Hong (China)                                59.37
 3.  Susan O'Neill (Australia)                        59.95
 4.  Franziska Van Almsick (Germany)                1:00.02
 5.  Catherine Plewinski (France)                   1:00.03
 6.  Christine M. Ahmann-Leighton (US)              1:00.10
 7.  Summer Sanders (US)                            1:00.38
 8.  Rie Shito (Japan)                              1:01.04

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From: dht@cs.mu.oz.au (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Olympics News from AP 7-27-92
Organization: University Of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:24:41 GMT

u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Carl Moller) writes:

>I don't know if anyone else feels the same, but this kind of comparison has
>always annoyed me. I might well be naive and idealistic, but I think that
>the medal performances of each country are compared like this, the whole
>concept of the Olympics is belittled.

The whole concept of Olympics and any major sporting events, including
Commonwealth Games, Asian Games, etc, etc, has changed so much that
politics is an integral part of it.  When do you think you'll wake up?

>It isn't a forum for international idealogical point scoring ("Ha! Take that
>you Commies! Our modern pentathlon team beat yours! So much for the glorious
>proletariat!"..."So what? We are Olympic heptathlon champions. Shove that up
>your free market policy!" (Please forgive the pre CIS angle.)

Are you trying to start a political debate on Communism and Free Market
Policy?  The political system in China is an autocracy with centralized
Captialism and overall Communism.  This is greatly different from the
system implemented in (former) USSR and Eastern Europe.  Anyway, if you
want a debate on politics, take it to e-mail/talk.politics.misc.

>It seems to me that athletes are there, sure to represent their countries, 
>but more importantly, to represent themselves and to celebrate the Olympic 
>and human ideal of "Swifter. Higher. Stronger."

I think your ideal is biased towards Western culture.  In Eastern cultures,
your country/team is more important than individual glories.  Whereas in
Western cultures, individual achievements come before earning glory to
your country.

>Sorry, if I'm idealistic. That's my $0.02 worth.

I recommend you to read the Times Olympics Special, released a few weeks
ago; you might understand what I mean better.

-- 
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same feeling when investment is low,"  he says.  "This seems to be basic to
Australia-Japan relations."
                      -- Masami Sekine, Political Science, Keio University.
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Charley Barkley gets a technical foul
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:09:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <10152@disc.dla.mil> i000465@disc.dla.mil (joseph r. damore jr.) writes:

>   If you caught the first USA Basketball game, Charles Barkley received
>a technical foul for elbowing an opposing player.
>
>   IMHO, his foul was uncalled for and unsportsmanlike, especially for
>Olympic competition.  Why would he need to do it? ... intimidation of
>any Angolan player was really not needed.  Everyone knew they were going
>to win by a huge margin.  Even the Angolan coach hoped to only lose by 40!

Did you hear his explanation?  "He hit me so I hit him back. That's the way
it is."   What kind of excuse is that??!!!   Haven't heard that one
since elementary school...

>   As a native Philadelphian, and a true fan of the Sixers, Phillies, and
>Eagles, I'm glad Barkley got traded to the Suns!

I am not!  As a Suns fan and from Phoenix...  :-(


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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC's family stories
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:45:07 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <92210.174201IO92308@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO92308@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (W. Roland Gehrels) writes:
>Sorry if I missed anybody complaining about this before but what REALLY
>gets on my nerves in NBC's coverage is all the family background you
>get on all the athletes.

American Olympic coverage has always included this, since they were first
broadcast on TV in 1960.  Americans are used to watching professional sports
where most of the players are always well known to the viewers.  The theory, 
correct or not, is that people cannot relate to athletes when they don't
know anything about them.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
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From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:39:16 GMT

As soon as someone finds out the results of the
Japanese protest of yesterday's match, please
post it.


FYI...my understanding of the protest is due
to possible referee error. Allegedly, the ref
should have ejected a USA player, instead of
giving him another (his 2nd) warning for yelling
at a ref. This ejection would also have awarded
Japan with another point...that point would
have given the 4th game (and match) to Japan.
Instead, USA turns it around and wins 4th and 5th
games for the match.


THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING>...



Thanks for any info...


Mike Miller
millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com