HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Battery sulfation question
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:32:14 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <1992Jul28.025007.19420@nas.nasa.gov> browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov writes:
>I'm "debugging" an electrical problem in my 1985 Honda V65 Sabre
>(that's a motorcycle for all you rec.auto readers).  The first step is
>to make sure the battery is O.K.  The specific gravity indicates
>overcharging and the voltage is 12.5 V.  However, there is evidence of
>sulfation in 2 of the 6 cells.  White stuff on the plates is visible
>through the plastic -- about an inch, at the bottom, in a 6 inch tall
>battery, in 2 of the the 6 cells.

My experience with sulfation was one cell totally sulfated, at which point
my 12.6v battery became a 10.5v battery the instant any load was applied.

If your battery can turn the starter motor I would guess it is
basically working and the electric problem is elsewhere.  (But be
warned, I'm no expert.)  I would also guess that you have lost about
1/6 of the capacity of your battery due to coating 1/6 of the plates
in at least one cell (the battery has essentially run down when its
weakest cell is exhausted).  Eventually you might want to replace it.
(And for all I know the problem may be worse--the electrolyte in the
two bad cells may be screwed up in some way that is not revealed by
specific gravity.)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
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From: david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (David Robinson)
Subject: Re: Bee's knees (Was: Re: My views of the RCR)
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.190659.13752@rchland.ibm.com> Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it.  writes:
> When the light changed I put
>my feet on the pegs and drove the wasp into the tank and it responded in the
>normal waspish way.  I was all over the road before the pain subsided enough
>for me to get control back.

But were you wearing leathers??  I don't imagine a wasp being able to
sting through 3 oz leather too easily.  Another great argument for
leather!

	-David
-- 
David Robinson	david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov
Disclaimer: No one listens to me anyway!	'92 GS500E DoD #480
"An addiction is a drag" - Dennis Hopper	'90 EX250R Ninja
"A tisket, a tasket, a condom or a casket" - Dr. Carl Bell
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From: Perry.Genova@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Perry Genova)
Subject: Advice/Tips/Suggestions re:Motorcycle Cleaning
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:00:00 GMT


I finally got around to giving my K100RS its anual wash/wax last night and
found dirt in some places not only particularly difficult to reach but
also impossible to remove (you know, the timing chain cover which gets
wailed on by stuff flung off the front wheel).  I figured what the hell,
the net people ought to have i < 4300 suggestions for cleaners/methods to
use in removing this grunge.  Anything to make it simple without removing
the powder coat finish on the engine and wheels or bunches of knuckle skin.

Any suggestion?


genova@bme.unc.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:13:15 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Oil Additive Scoop (or: see Ed Hackett's name in print)

Howdy,

[joe writes about oil additives being worthless etc]

I guess I'll have to get the article.  I saw a demo of Power-Up! and
oil additve (contains no ptfe and doesn't work like slick 50
apparently).  The demo was done on a Severe Load machine, basically
it's just a metal bar that gets forced against a spinning rod.  The
Power-Up allowed more than double the weight against the rod without
seizing (oil alone seized).  I was pretty impressed.

If what you say is actualy true, then the test must not represent true
conditions in an engine.  Anyone know if this is in fact true and why?

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Venison for Ride and Feed
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:54:28 GMT

In article <14kc93INNn88@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>The official menu is BBQ chicken.  That means we should be able to
>substitute frog, 'gator, snake, turtle, 'possum, armadillo, skunk, or
>poodle at will.  If you hit anything kosher on the way in, bungie it
>on, and we'll just burn it so bad nobody'll know...

oh, ed, i forgot:
ob-dietary considerations: the spam must be at least 50% llama.  i'll
even sign a waiver.  thanks.

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<       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 >
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<       "I love your post.  Please don't stop."   -- Lissa Shoun           >
<                  but she wasn't talking to me :-(                        >
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<       "I've been doing OK lately with a hand pump."   -- Chuck Karish    >
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From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: Ridership doubles on ride to work day
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:57:40 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

The parking lot here had fewer bikes than usual. Part of that is due to
vacations. There was one bike that I hadn't seen much since the spring
semester ended. The weather didn't help--overcast this morning and some rain
this afternoon.

Chas
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From: riyadth@boi.hp.com (Riyadth Al-Kazily)
Subject: Re: "cute" dealer names (Was: Combined dealerships)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:12:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

In article <Brwtyn.Kqo@mail.boi.hp.com> edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh) writes:
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>: How about dealer names? I like "Cycle Logical", and here in Utah there's
>: one called "Big Boy's Toys", sexist perhaps, but truth in advertizing. :-)
>: -- 
>: Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
>
>Try Suicycle, in Nampa Id. ....... (Gag!)

There used to be a Suicycle in Sacramento, CA, also!  I was there about a
year ago..  Could it be a franchise?

>------------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
>                              edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS213
>                              (208)323-2174   P.O. Box 39  Boise,Idaho 83707
>                              FJ1200'89,XZ550RJ(Vision)'82,DoD#98
---
 Riyadth Al-Kazily   riyadth@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com  riyadth@hpbs1904.boi.hp.com
 (208) 323-4987 work (HP) | When am i going to have time to use all this
 (208) 939-1168 home      | stuff I'm collecting?  More important, how can
 DoD #295   1983 BMW R65  | I get more stuff?  Amiga 500+ (+ stuff, that is)
-- 
---
 Riyadth Al-Kazily   riyadth@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com  riyadth@hpbs1904.boi.hp.com
 (208) 323-4987 work (HP) | When am i going to have time to use all this
 (208) 939-1168 home      | stuff I'm collecting?  More important, how can
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From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Children suck (was Re: Cages suck (women cagers))
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:31:18 GMT
Summary: Personal experience

In article <UePDld200WB7AltA0V@andrew.cmu.edu>, ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
> Howdy,
> 
> In fact, children are just to be avoided period.  They scream, run
> around constantly, play loudly indoors (apartment building) when it
> rains out (and play loudly outside your window when it isn't raining),
> always seem to get up at 4am, and just generally are quite 
> damn irritating.  Not only that, but they're kids, so you can't just
> shoot them, because then you'd have to deal with the parents (who
> probably aren't terribly cool anyway, to have let their kids be such a
> damn nuscience) which would be a hassle.

Gee, Mark, if you presume everyone else's kids behave the way you 
did (do?), you're liable to hand out quite a few bum raps.  

> You can't even shoot one and use that as a threat to the others to
> shut up.  They don't have the intellectual capacity to be quiet when
> they need to.

Yeah, it's kinda like Netnews, ain't it?

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
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From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Subject: Bike Suggestions?
Summary: Help! Trying to decide on new bike!
Keywords: New Bike Advice Wanted
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:55:43 GMT

To: George C., Ken M., Mike B. and the World at large:

Hi.  I am an M.Sc. student (Electrical Engineering) and have been out of biking
for the last 4 or 5 years. I have continued to ride on the street, but since 
I am going to be out of school ( and thus no longer POOR!!! :) ) in the next 
few months, I am thinking of getting a new bike.

Experience wise, I have been riding since I was a mere lad, about 4 years old.
I am now 22.  I have never raced, but I have done plenty of cross - country and
hare-scrambles type riding.  I have ridden two strokes and 4 strokes alike, 
and I seem to prefer the thumpers.

I am no novice, but I don't qualify as an expert, either.  So, onwards.

New bikes I have been considering:

RMX 250 - I think I could get used to it and then install the closed course 
          kit when I am back up to speed.

DR 350 - Same deal, but once used to it I would consider going for the White 
         Brothers (So-cal guys for you Aussies) DR 441 big-bore kit and                  and suspension re-valving.

XR 250 - I wonder about the power of this.  Can it be made fast?  What's                 reliability like if you do that?

	Other suggestions for bikes?? KTM?  ATK?  Anybody know about 
availability of said bikes up here in the GREAT WHITE NORTH (tm.)??

Note:  I am not too biased towards Suzuki, and about the only bikes I truly 
don't like are Yamahas...so keeps the suggestions coming!!

Note # 2:  I don't intend to race whatever I buy right away, but I would be 
interested in doing some hare-scrambles, enduros and maybe even some desert - 
type racing in the future.

Final Note: I am 5'8", 160 lbs.  I plan to spend $5000 - $6000 Canadian
		($4300 - $5200 US, at today's exchange.)

Thanks to all (in advance, of course.)  You can post your responses or mail them to me at:

donald@dvinci.usask.ca
872502@arthur.usask.ca
872502@bell.usask.ca

David
-- 
donald@dvinci.usask.ca

"Close?  Close is a lingerie shop with no front window."
					- Lorna Cole (Rene Russo), LW3.
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From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:56:43 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: oconnor@coffee.eng.umd.edu


      couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:

:    Well, this weekend will see project CRRR500 (That's CR(R)oad (R)ace 500) 
:    hit the track.
:    Any last minute pointers from anyone out there?
`

Well George, I ain't no road racer, but here's a couple of things I've
overheard at the (road) track:

1.  Only dirt bikes need rear brakes.  Road racers may leave their rear
    brakes at home.  (I must mention that I have a hard time swallowing
    this.  Seems to me that if you want to outbrake somebody, you should 
    bring your brakes, your brother's, and your next door neighbors. : )
2.  From turn in to apex, it's ALL front wheel.  From apex to exit, it's
    ALL rear wheel.  Sounds logical to me.  Also sounds like concentration
    may come into play.
3.  Bring kneepads.
4.  Check will.

There'll be more than one of us waiting to hear.  You may even get
requests for detailed desc. of the preping.  Good luck mate.

*Mark OConnor      Aerospace Engineering      University of Maryland*
*'90 CR250R        AMA District 7 Vet #90     MB Racing Group       *
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 11:34:16 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Road Racer
	<1992Jul22.215643.26660@eng.umd.edu>

Howdy,

This would probably be better in a certain other subgroup, but what
the hell...

oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes:
> 1.  Only dirt bikes need rear brakes.  Road racers may leave their rear
>     brakes at home.  (I must mention that I have a hard time swallowing
>     this.  Seems to me that if you want to outbrake somebody, you should 
>     bring your brakes, your brother's, and your next door neighbors. : )

The reason that you don't need rear brakes is that with the current
frame geometrys of race/sport bikes, max braking with the front will
lift the rear off the ground or lighten it to the point where it's
useless.  You do want brakes and more brakes, but you need 'em on the
front wheel where they'll have some traction.  (oh, and that reminds
me. If you're gonna run the CR's stock brakes, you're gonna have
trouble.  I'm not positive, but I'd bet a large amount of money that
the stopping force won't be adaquate, and that fade will be a huge
factor).

Note that going from street/road racing to dirt was/is difficult for
me in the area of rear brakes.  I'm just not used to ever really
needing to use the rear...

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: yysiggy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOSEPH SIGMON)
Subject: Needed '85 KX500 manuals
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 26 Jul 1992 20:42 EST  

Hey everyone,
I'm new to the net and this is my first post,(no longer a virgin I guess), 
so be gentle if I miss a protocol here and there.

I'm in desperate need of manuals for my '85 KX500.  I just bought it and 
it's in decent shape, I just want to go over before I start riding again. 
I've checked local dealers and others in the DB rags with little luck. 
Can anyone help? 

Thanks in advance!

Joe Sigmon

'84 Honda V45 Interceptor;	'85 KX500
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:48:43 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
> Subject: Re: Road Racer
> 
>     Holy shit, now he's road racing dirt bikes!  Is there anything you
>     don't do George...

	hmmmm....let me see....hmmm.....nup...as long as it's motorised.

>     skydiving, basketweaving, work for a living  :-) ??

	He he..basket weaving may be a definite goer by Monday...
> 
>     Mixing it up with G00F2s and the like?  What kind of track are we
>     talking about?  Seems like you could be competitive, but wouldn't
>     the streeters have a healthy advantage?

	Well, this is where we have a lot of contention...I reckon that
	something that weighs 100kg with 60+hp has got to be competitive
	as long as it can brake and go around a corner. I've chosen a
	track that will suit this bike. It's tight with short straights.

	Let me tell you that there are a few beers being wagered on how
	quick this thing will be. Only problem is that it'll be me riding
	it. Nobody I know that's competent on the road is game to throw a
	leg over it.
> 
>     Seems like a full set of leathers would be advised...

	Yup, I've borrowed a set complete with fancy boots and helmet.
	I feel like a 6 foot prick in one of those glow in the dark
	condoms...

	I just hope I don't fall off. This shit will cost a heap of money
	if I damage it...Wonder if they'll notice if I lay a turd in
	there...

	Cheers
	George Couyant

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Smokin' 2-Strokes and Crank Seals
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:21:45 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> From: ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera)
> Subject: Smokin' 2-Strokes and Crank Seals

	Hey Georgie, is it water cooled? If so, there's a chance water is
	getting into the gearbox oil. Pull the gearbox side cover off and
	check for erosion around the water pump housing. Does it lose
	water? This shouldn't be the reason for the smoke though.

	The smoke could be from the injector and it's a matter of pulling
	it down, cleaning it and making sure it opens and shuts and that
	it's adjusted properly.

	More than likely though, it's the right side crank seal (clutch
	side). This is easy to fix. Just pull the gearbox side cover off
	and remove the primary drive gear and maybe the clutch basket as
	well. You should be able to see the crank seal. Rip it out, but
	take care not to scratch the crank or seal seating surface.
	Installing the new seal by using the old seal as a pad to push it
	in. Get new lock washers for the crank and clutch nuts too.

	If it's hard undoing the gear nuts (you can't stop the motor from
	turning), get a 1 cent piece and jam it between the gears as you
	undo the nuts. It'll stuff the copper coin, but won't harm the
	gear faces. Same again when you do it up.

	Hope it's easy for you.
	George Couyant.

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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: new seat
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:06:10 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I'm after a new seat (foam and cover) for my TT600 and the KX500.

The stock ones are like $250.

I've looked around here (Aust.) and can only get aftermarket seat covers
and not the foam. They want around $100 for just the cover.

I phoned Hi Flite in the US and they can supply and ship foam and cover for 
$100 and this looks like what I'll do. Anyone know what their stuff is like?

Any suggestions on  other brands?

Thanks in anticipation....
George Couyant

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From: garyb@pdxgp1 (Gary Brown)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:59:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.041419.6381@convex.com> couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>
>Any last minute pointers from anyone out there? The local racers I've
>spoken with are all very encouraging, very helpful and interested. They 
>do think I'm crazy though....

  Yes.  Get a steering damper for it and lower the fork tubes as low as
  they'll go in the triple clamps to help with that headshake.  I don't 
  think I'd like to ride a CR at a 110mph on the asphalt.  When I get my
  Husky 430 revving high on the street it vibrates my buns off.  Of course,
  I have knobbies on it too which doesn't help.

  Have fun, good luck, and don't get hurt (in that order)!
  Gary Brown
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: pipes
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:39:25 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility


>       Frampton; Any relation to Peter? 
	Yup, related to a "huuuuuuge" one. :-)  Seriously through, I don't
        know, there aren't many of us. (Sorry for the pun)

> Well any way you forgot to mention
> FMF.

  I was affaid to. I didnt think Emler made any pipes for my 86. :-(
  I should call and find out in any case.  I knew someone with a
  PSI on the same bike and said that it boosted low/mid tremendously.
  Not to say that PSI is the only way to go, I really should call them
  all and have them send me a RPM vs. HP chart.  In any case, from the
  adds, FMF seems to be the boldest with their Gold Series.
_____________________________________________________________________________
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frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |  "Life is short, ride hard."
                               |  "Born and Bred to Rip and Shred."

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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:01:30 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
> Subject: Re: Road Racer
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> This would probably be better in a certain other subgroup, but what
> the hell...

	Awww come on... It's a dirt bike and everyone says I'll be
	spending more time in the dirt than on the track anyway...
	...can't it stay here?

> me. If you're gonna run the CR's stock brakes, you're gonna have
> trouble.  I'm not positive, but I'd bet a large amount of money that
> the stopping force won't be adaquate, and that fade will be a huge
> factor).

	Large money??..they've opened a betting book here in the office.

	I've got a bigger rotor on it off a road bike and hard compound
	pads that will hang together at high temperatures and transfer
	heat better. I haven't noticed serious brake fade in testing, but
	then again I never really braked hard over and over again. This
	track should be easy on brakes too. But what worries me is that
	it's all relative right? How do you compare what a road racer
	considers easy on brakes to my contraption's abilities?.. 
	....as Dave and Mabel (Aussie so don't worry about it) once 
	said...But Dave, won't I get pregnant if you put _that_ in?...
	...Only one way to find out Mabel....

	;-)  ;-)  ;-)   ;-)  ;-)  ;-)   ;-)  ;-)  ;-)   
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	For the humour impared....
> 
> Note that going from street/road racing to dirt was/is difficult for
> me in the area of rear brakes.  I'm just not used to ever really
> needing to use the rear...

	I've been told that it's much easier going the other way. But then
	again, isn't it supposed to be impossible to teach an old dog (fart)
	new tricks?

	Cheers
	George C.