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From: steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith)
Subject: Re: Some questions on rave making
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 06:43:18 GMT

In article <4062@news.duke.edu> jtrue@acpub.duke.edu (john) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.224849.14375@sal.wisc.edu>, rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:
>> 
>> In article <1992Jul23.213655.2140@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>> 
>> >... Fog is an option, but use it effectively,
><stuff deleted> 
>> 
>> Hey, does anyone know if this stuff is bad for you? Or rather, how bad?
>> Or if there's a kind of fog juice which doesn't give you that fuzzy taste?
>
>I was wondering this myself.  It seems like the fog machines I've seen
>in clubs give off a smoky smell.  I was wondering how feasable using 
>dry ice (I assume some smoke machines use this)
>or liquid nitrogen and fans or blow dryers would be.  I'm
>interested in cheap/low-tech effects.

They have a machine that works on dry ice in this club I go to, Iron Works.
Appearantly it cannot produce a steady flow of fog because it only squirts
intermittently and though it fills the dancefloor (like 30x15) it thins out
in a minute or two.  I think the DJ controls when to "let it off" and sometimes
it seemed he would do it too soon and there would not be as much fog but
if he waited longer, there would be more.  (we are talking on the order
of 5-10 minutes)  I personally liked the "taste" of this fog.... It's just
CO2, I think, and as long as you have enough oxigen, it doesn't hurt.
...I might be wrong though, I'm sure it would be illegal if it were really
dangerous...
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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod)
Subject: Sesame Street
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:16:14 GMT

Has anyone heard this yet?  It's really real!  I love it!  The antithesis of  
rave!  Check it out!
From: rene@blade (Rene Bakx)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Club Reviews plz
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:47:00 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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archive@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
  (A lot of questions about clubs)
: 
: One specific place I'd like to hear about is the Orange club
: (ISOTONIKally linked?) in North London.
: 
Well, I'd also like to hear about the Orange Club (maybe owned by
Chris Paul=the man behind Isotonik).
About other clubs: Try reading MixMag, they have a club guide for England
each month. It may not be much, but it's the best I can advise you
(I have once been in london when I was about 12, with school, but
I am planning to go within the next year..)

Good luck on your trip(s)

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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: U.F.Orb CD errors?
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:29:09 GMT

It would seem that I have a poor pressing of the U.F.Orb CD.  I can't see any
visible defects, but it has a high tendency to skip, even when the CD player
isn't jarred.  Has anyone else had this problem with their copy?
-- 
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From: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu (Gil)
Subject: death of techno
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:27:47 GMT

  Lets talk about the commercialization of techno again...
I was at a well known record store chain -Sam Goody- earlier this evening
looking for a gift, anyways as I was bringing my item to the register, a 
familiar tune was being played (oh gawd..) It was O'Fortuna, the apothosis
flavor.  I went to the counter and asked the guy if he was playing the single.
He wasn't..appearantly he had received a techno compilation tape to play 
in the store.  There were a few names I looked familiar, but tha's about it.
This is sad?

Gil "throw your hair up in the air " cyberpun(k)


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From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: alt.rave in Mondo 2000
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:34:14 GMT

In article <2A73D642.6594@noiro.acs.uci.edu> jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance) writes:
>   Well, looks like Mondo 2000 has noticed alt.rave.  Here's the blurb
>  Not a whole lot of rave related stuff elsewhere in the rag.  There
>is a *really* interesting article on "Zippys" or "Techno-Pagans" in an
>interview with Fraser Clark (publisher of Encyclopaedia Psychedelica
>International), but interveiewer Mondo Connie comes off sounding like
>she knows nothing about the rave scene (she probably doesn't).  

Curious, what did M2K have to say about Techno-pagans?

(I haven't been able to bring myself to by a copy of M2K
 yet...it costs too much, and it's not electronic.  Maybe
 I'll have to now.)

-Thomas
 resdient technoshaman


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From: Michael A Pisano <mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Future Sounds of London
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:28:37 GMT

Yes, you can get it at WORLD RECORDS in Columbus, OH.  I'll mail you their
address & Ph # if your really interested in the mail-order.

It's pretty alright, kinda toned-downish for my taste.  One cut "PAUPA new
guinea" is on the "COOL WORLD" soundtrack.  I'm pretty sure it is a band and
not a compilation.

-MP
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From: edd586ysft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: down (loosing feet in a maze)
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:44:21 GMT


> Now, 2 years later, Im approx.
> $5000 richer after waiting for 18 months to go to court for a comp.claim !
> 
> So, if you run parties as i do, don't leave the smoke machine next to a dance
> floor without a cover on it or it could cost your public Liabilty insurance
> people a lot of money. Then, they could sue you for negligence asthey tried
> to in this case to the owners of the club !!
> 
> For your interest, the club was Maze at Commerce in Flinders Lane, May 23rd
> 1990 !!!
> 
> Richie
> eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au

Now I know why Maze closed down.... cause you backrupted them!!!!

J.

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From: kkoller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Capt. Sarcastic)
Subject: Re: KLF - what happened?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:09:56 GMT

mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:

>To elaborate, they were more of a novelty band, I mean, at the time they
>did it the idea of a Scottish rap act was inconceivable.  The other
>important thing to mention is that as part of their gimmick they pushed
>the envelope (sorry to use a Tapism like that) of sampling far beyond what
>anybody else would think of doing at the time.  It was the "sampling" of
>Abba's "Dancing Queen" in its entirety that spelled the demise of that
>first album.

Well, I have the bootleg, and it's pretty darned interesting.  By "sampling"
I hope you mean they just played the whole song and turned the volume down when
they "rapped."  Not so much a sample as just dubbing over the entire song.


>-- 
>Mike Brown
>mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: After a rave
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:41:40 GMT


dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe) writes:
>i was just wondering what usually happened when a rave ends

at an exceptionally brilliant one a few weeks back, a bunch of guys with
drums gathered and started jamming - congas, agogo bells, cabasas and
sticks.  really hot!  the crowd were loving it, but the security guys asked
(nicely, in fact) if we wouldn't mind leaving so they could clean up.

then there are "after parties" - the somewhat legendary Zanzibar club has
announced that they won't be doing theirs anymore.  i never made it to a good
happening at Zanzibar - but people tell me it could be amazing sometimes.
there's a club called End Up which has early morning happenings, but i've
never been there.  i'm usually too burned out to think about after parties.
i like to go home with a bunch of my pals, pull the futon onto the floor and
trance out to The Orb ("blue room" is GODLIKE!!)

>i was wondeirng if any other raves ended up with positive
>attitudes and people who dont know each other hug each other 
>good bye just cuz 

in san francisco, this always happens!  i guess it's just a friendly
hippy-dippy kinda town.  as a transplanted easterner, i initially found it
kind of weird, but now i'm really into it.

giamma already mentioned the golden gate park events on sunday afternoon.
if you ever do make it to SF, you MUST check out the park!  a lovely lazy
sunny sunday with a boomin' sound system and a crowd of happy friendly
faces, many of which you will recognize from the previous night's partying.
it's a good feeling.

-- 
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From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Kool Aid: Virgin Raver Tells All (LONG and BORING)
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:06:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.024033.27166@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) writes:
>This is *ours*; the rave is the product of the
>subculture of the young and is the perpetuator of that subculture.  I
>hadn't even been to the actual rave yet and I am already overwhelmed by
>its power, what it means, where it came from, and how it is expanding
>across the country --no, around the WORLD!  I got into it through the
>music, but that's only one entry point.  The whole reality of society and
>culture is a three-dimensional web, interconnected with continuously-
>mutating strands of personalities, meeting in common points of abstraction
>like types of music, social scenes, interests, work, school, art... the
>rave in there somewhere on the edges, its connections to other parts of
>culture/reality defined by the differences between the individuals who
>are the ravers.  Totally cosmic.

This sounds precisely the way sci-fi/fantasy cons struck me at first.
All kinds of creative people taking over an area (a hotel for a con),
exploding with fervor into gaming, intellectualizing, art, music,
sex, and drugs.

The funny thing is the last con I went to had a very techo dance,
and due to a wierd set of circumstances, about the only interesting
thing going on was a massive CyberPunk live action role playing game.
People walking around with guns 2 feet in diameter, women with flashing
LEDs on their forheads, headsets, body armor, credit sticks,
Rockerboys and Rockergirls, suited corporates.

People at cons are "pushing the envelope" of social interation.
People at Raves are pushing the envelope of music and lights and
dancing.  The question is will this cultural elite be squashed
by the evolving world, or will the world be forced to accept
where we are going?

-Thomas 
 resident technoshaman
 

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: KLF - what happened? 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:09:00 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

keeler@hercules.uregina.ca (Jason Keeler) writes:

> Anyhow, I was hoping someone could tell me what the heck happened to the
> KLF.  I had heard about a month ago they had split up.  Has anyone heard
> any recent news?  Why did they split? 

Short answer: they got tired of all the bullshit involved.  For the long
answer, see if you can hunt down a copy of the July(?) issue of SELECT,
which has the best rundown of the situation I've seen.

I'm sure they'll both be back in the business eventually, since it's what
they've done for so long, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't come
back as the KLF, or together at all for that matter.

> Another question I had about the KLF is their image; I hear them as a
> techno-dance style band and yet I get the picture that they are somehow
> hard rock based (this probably doesn't make sense).  The reason I
> mention this is because of their appearance on the brit awards this
> year; I was TOTALLY surprised.  They weren't at all what I expected. 

They changed style every six months.  First they were a samples-beats-and-
scratches band ('1987 -- What the Fuck Is Going On?'), then moved towards
more pop stuff ('Who Killed The JAMS?', "Whitney Joins The JAMS"), then
house ("Doctorin' The TARDIS"), then PSB-style europop ("Kylie Said To
Jason"), then ambient-house (the original "WTIL/3am/Last Train", 'Chill
Out'), then stadium-house ('The White Room' side one), then techno ("It's
Grim Up North") then thrash techno-metal (the Extreme Noise Terror version
of "3am Eternal" they did on the Brits and released as their last single). 
There is/was no single "KLF Style", and if you like one thing they did it's
very much a tossup whether you'd like any of the rest.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Deciding that the bounds of propriety had been broached once too
often, Scott called a quick halt to the coffee-pot puppet show.
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From: b617zbb@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: RE: XStatic or Heavenly Hardcore
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 15:37:00 GMT
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Michael A Pisano <mpisano@magnus.acs.ohiostate.edu> writes...

>> Personally I think Xstatic is a great choice.  Ive heard Heavenly Hardcore
>> the listening booths at the local record store and nothing much stood out.  
>> XSTATIC there are a buch of memorable cuts.  I don't buy many import CDs for
>> the simple fact that I can't afford many, but XSTATIC was worth the $$$.
>> XStatic has three cuts by DShake which are just awesome, and although there
>> are a few fa fa diva tracks (3 at the most) the rest of the ambiant/tracey
>> techno make up for the digressions.
>> 
>> But $30.00 is a lot for any import single CD, even one as good as this one.
>> 
>> MP
>> 

That would be XStatic Vol 1. Go Bang. They is also an XStatic Vol. 2 and
my personal favorite XStatic Vol. 3 Dutch Hardbeats. All three are good, but,
the standout tracks have been out as singles for a long time. All three
have also been released in the U.S. by Radikal Records so they can be bought
for an affordable $15. For those interested, the following is the track
listing for XStatic Vol 3.

XStatic Vol. 3 Dutch Hardbeats
Radikal Records
XSCD 9902

1.  Qube 45      The Sequal                      4:29
2   Egma         Let the Bass Kick               6:13
3.  All in One   Mama's Kick                     3:57
4.  EDC          No Pills [Roxy Mix]             4:19
5.  The Point    Come On                         4:33
6.  Trance       It's Technotime                 5:21
7.  Intellect    Music is Hypnotizing            6:29
8.  DeadKirks    Let's Make Some Fuckin Noise    4:37
9.  The Curse    All Systems are Go              6:47
10. RJ's Rule    Rave This Nation                5:10
11. Technophobia Revolution                      4:41
12. Formosa      O.D. on Groove [Club Mix]       6:50
13. Bam Bam      Get Wild                        4:30
14. Panic Music  Make it Rock                    5:15

As you can see, quite alot of good techno for $15.

George.
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Lords of Acid -> Commercial
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:07:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


	'must increase my bust' ad spotted...

	i wonder how long it will be until there's an equivalent for boys?

	& what song could be used to push it?  'angst in my pants'?

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Heffalump Hunt Rave review
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:36:51 GMT

karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) writes:

>>Yes, it
>>does +/-8% speed.  No, it doesn't automatically beat mix.  You can search and

>I just wanted to check: the pitch goes up or down along with the speed
>as on turntable, doesn't it? 

Yes.  I don't know when the player manufacturers are going to get a clue and
realize that this is an advantage that digital can have over analog.  The
ability to change speed without pitch.  But yes, the Denon 2000 changes the
pitch as well.

>>Two of our raves were held in the center of downtown and we still
>weren't bothered by the police because it looked like a normal party.

>Oh that's just great: "weren't bothered by the police because it
>looked like a normal party". That is so incomprehensible to me.  I
>can't help fuming just a bit...WHY am I living in a @#%* police state?

Oh come on, you can't tell me things are any worse there than in UTAH.  We've
got the most restrictive liquor and curfew laws in the country.  Maybe you
just believe that the police put more emphasis on curfew than they actually
do.  I've been waiting for police trouble, but so far it hasn't happened, so
they may be more casual than I suspected.

-- 
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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Kool Aid: Virgin Raver Tells All (LONG and BORING)
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:47:27 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Why?

Why? Why? Why?

I just simply do not understand...

My brain is swelling under the strain of wondering...

...that is, until...

Ah ha! You wrote this under the influnce of some drug, didntcha? :)

Me, I prefer my Lester Bangs and Hunter Thompson. Sorry... :)

Joshua Houk
houk@athena.cs.uga.edu

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: CO Rave Scene makes local news for 1st time
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 05:37:21 GMT


Well, proof that the CO rave scene is growing still, the local news (channel 9
-ABC) did an "expose" on it...Featured were 2 guys from Poor Boy Productions
(pretty much the most popular rave promoters here) being interviewed by one of
the "I-team" (investigative reporters)...

Well, as you might expect, the story wasn't that positive...The I-team went
"undercover" at a rave (yeah, is that a camera under your extacy ski-hat or ar
you just euphorically glad to see me?) and set up drug deals and shit...They
got nitrous and X and acid...However!  The good thing was that when they
should the I-team talking to a guy who was selling (the reporters were trying
to getsome whippits or something) the guy said something to the effect of "you
know, I'm really careful with it - I don't want to bring it out now...2 kids
in California, like, died"....I thought that was good - at least it shows that
dealera are people too and have a conscience and are conscious...

So then some CA expert came on and told as all the dangers of nitrous...

BUT!  Then the Poor Boy guys came on and said that they like their raves to be
drug free, they don't support drug usage or selling at their raves in any
way...

Overall, considering the past "exposes" of the I-team (getting lots of city
officials fired and in jail, when they weren't really doing anything wrong!) I
thought this report was pretty decent...The I-team helped seperate the rave
promnoters from the drug dealers...It was kind of like saying "yeah, drugs
will probably be at a rave, but the promoters don't have anything to do with
it - it's just some individuals who happen to show up there"...

Not a word was mentioned about the music, Smart[Drinks, Drugs], or anything
like that...But they did show a bunch of flyers...That was cool, because, my
flyers are on a wall behind my tv, and looked almost exactly like the
screen...

It could've been a lot better, but it could've been a lot worse...Haveta see
what effect the report has at Sound of Music...On one of the flyers I think
you could clearly see the poor boy productions raveline phone #, but I'm not
sure... I remember seeing a phone number in the report...And it was 575-,
which is poor boy's prefix...

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From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: opus III
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:54:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

might i say that the new opus III song is most groovy.
   -camper.



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