HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:53:37 GMT
Organization: Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Nov9.213641.18545@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com 
   (ryerson.schwark) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.042607.29025@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.
    edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov06.140028.37912@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
    (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>>>does anyone else hate this
>>["P" Robertson]
>>>dude as much as i do?
>>
>>Gee, I don't know, I think he's kind of cute.
> 
> Me too.  I'd really like to fuck his tight ass.  Of course, I'd have
> to give him a chainsaw enema first.

     I suggest first giving a barium enema, then sending the image out over the
Christian Broadcasting Network, LIVE FROM VIRGNIIA BEACH, IT'S PAT ROBERTSON'S
INNARDS (cue-up music, cross-fade to the introductory film clip).
 
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From: futor@llnl.gov ( a man who's not heard of a jellicle cat )
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:59:26 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab.
Originator: futor@diego.llnl.gov


 mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) responds to:
> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) when he writes:
>> 
>> . . . I do think that "I've got mine" was a big part of
>> their (lack of a) reaction . . .
>
> Randall Terry's (I think) little rant about seeing "a divine hand in
> this AIDS thing" seems to sum up the attitude far more accurately than
> "I've got mine".

Steve & ( at least ) I see these as being cut from the same cloth, Michael,
I think.

*My* God sez I'm cool;  *my* God sez you are *not* cool.  He's given you a
disease to indicate to *His* followers just how uncool you are.

I feel that the comments are much closer to one another in intent than you
are allowing them to be.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:16:17 GMT

tf> Thomas M Farrell, quoting Gary Strand

tf> It does not deny homosexuals equal rights. It denies the the ability of the
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    state to create quotas for gays, or give gays minority status, and it 
    denies gays the use of the legal system to correct alleged cases of 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    discrimination.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

tf> Your self contradictions are showing, Dahlink.

  As has been pointed out to me, #2 forbids homosexuals, lesbians and bisex-
  uals from claims of discrimination. It does not do the same for heterosex-
  uals, since the original ordinances in Denver, Boulder, and Aspen make ref-
  erences only to "sexual orientation", not specific sexual orientations. In
  retrospect, it's even better that I voted against it. However, if #2 had
  been stated as simply "sexual orientation", I would have voted for it.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Mexico?
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:41:09 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation


I am fullfilling the sterotype Colorado for "Family Values" gave for
homosexuals by becoming an international traveller and going to Mexico
(I already make alot of money and have no children, duh).  In
particular, I booked a week at the Club Med in Playa Blanca and I am
looking for some information about the area.  This is the same club
that the Atlantis gay weeks are held at so I assume that someone out
there in motss land has been to Playa Blanca.  I am interested in
finding just the right Dive Master (oooo, mount me dive master!) to
show me around.

If you have information, I need it soon as I will be leaving for this
grand and glorious adventure this Sunday, Nov 15.

Thanks...Randy (who is glad to get out of Colorado even if only for a week)

-- 
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Cray Computer Corporation                                Randy Murrish
1110 Bayfield Drive                                   mush@craycos.com
Colorado Springs, CO 80906                                719.540.4274
From: harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Don't teach kids tolerance, their parents might not like it!
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:35:14 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

I'm the outreach coordinator for the LGBO* organization here at
Carolina, and I was asked to attend a meeting of the multicultural
committee of the local school system, to suggest ways that the
environment can be made better for LGBO* students in the schools here.

I gave a forty-five minute presentation (complete with transparencies!
:-) about what could be done.  I included such ideas as changing
language to be gender-neutral ("Did you go out with your boyfriend
last night, Cheryl?" gak.) and to use preferred terms (GBL, not
"homosexual," "orientation," not "preference."), as well as such
earth-shattering notions as putting gay-positive publications in
counseling offices and punishing students for beating up youth of
sexual minority.

The committee listened with interest, and responded with many good
questions.  They made some good observations ("You say gay-positive
teachers can serve as role models, but wouldn't an openly gay teacher
be an even _better_ role model?" :-), but in the end, they said that
the ideas just couldn't be implemented.

They felt that if they punished a student for using the word "gay" in
a general derogatory fashion, i.e. "that's so gay," that parents might
get upset if their belief was that it was okay to use gay in somewhat
the same connotation as "gross."  They thought that breaking up a
fight where someone was beating up a BGLO* student was taking the risk
of disciplinary action (I'm still wondering about this one!).

It was interesting to listen to their talking about multiculturalism
before my presentation.  They talked about how it was important to
make the atmosphere safe for minority youth, and to be "sensitive to
the needs of minorities."

I guess this still doesn't apply for kids when they're lesbian, gay,
or bisexual.  :-(

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!

Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:30:46 GMT

tf> Tim Fogarty
gs> Gary Strand

gs> I don't recall many blacks committing suicide because of the racism they
    suffered, and it's a lot easier to bash blacks than it is to bash gays.

tf> This statement tells a lot about Mr Strand...of his views of gays and of
    racial minorities.

  OK, let me in on it -- what does it say about my views on blacks and gays?

tf> Gays often do not have family for support.

  So? So do orphans.

tf> Young gays dont have many (any) positive role models.

  That's the potential role model's fault. 

tf> Gay teens often feel that they must be the only ones.  That everyone else
    in their world is straight. They are all alone.

  Teens often feel lonely, period. They don't need to be gay to feel that way.

tf> Gay bashers often are adolecent males who have never met a gay person, and
    only have stereotypical views of what a gay person is.

  Adolescent males wreak a lot of havoc on a lot of people, other teen males
  being the most common victims. I'd rather be a yuppie-ish white gay male in
  Denver than a 17-year-old black male in Detroit. Sure, the former may get
  bashed coming out of a gay bar, the latter may get shot for wearing the
  "wrong" shoes.
--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:38:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.160026.83@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>
>Of a harsh but not (IMO) out-of-line description of attitudes
>among members of the religious right in the United States toward
>female sexuality. sunderl@obvius.stl.dec.com (Mike Sunderland) writes:
>
> >What a load of dingo's kidneys!!!!
> >If you weren't so bloody defensive you might be able to have enough
> >sense to see how silly it is to make such gross generalisations. I
> >don't know much about the 'religious right' because I don't live in
> >the good ol' USofA, but I do know a lot of people who would share the
> >views that you label "Abstenance based". I have never met anyone who
> >would come even close to the kind of stupidity you quote above. Shit!
> >Of course God created sexual pleasure for both women and men.
>
>Well, don't tell _us_, tell _them_.  You're right-- you don't seem
>to know much about the religious right in the good ol' USofA.

Amen :^) You've got to remember that the U.S.'s chief of environmental 
policy for many years in the Reagan administration announced that he
really wasn't all that concerned with conservation of natural resources,
as he was convinced Armageddon was right around the corner, anyway. We've
seen attempts to teach creationism in the public schools. Some of the
member groups of anti-abortion coalitions that have held sway over federal
health policy for the past 12 years have as their ultimate goal 
not just banning abortion, but *any* contraception. That's the tenor 
of right-wing Christian fundamentalism in the U.S.

I'm not saying that's what the majority of Americans think, or even 
the majority of American Christians think. But right-wing groups like the 
Christian Action Coalition are extremely well-organized here, and are 
very sophisticated about bloc politics. They've also been very 
effective in forming alliances with American fiscal conservatives,
who comprise a much larger portion of the electorate in the U.S.
Nelson Minar recently posted an article here about the role of right-wingers 
in the Oregon Republican Party, and a national TV news show, the McNeil-
Lehrer Report, recently broadcast a chilling piece about the success 
fundamentalist Christians are having controlling the Californian Republican
Party and local governmental bodies, such as school boards.

I'm glad they're not that loony in Australia. But in the U.S., they're
both loony and, unfortunately, powerful.

PS: Do Australians *really* say things like "dingo's kidneys"? My entire
picture of Australia was formed by a television show I used to watch as
a youngster about a crime-fighting kangaroo (I kid you not). But they seem
to have left out some of the more colorful phrases from the show. :^)
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov06.130045.25084@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams):
> >>>>What about Jack Kemp?
> >>Was he finally outed for real?
> >
> > I meant that if he does run for Prez in '96 he will
> > undoubtedly be outed.
> 
> darling, if he does run for Prez in '96, he will
> undoubtedly get married.

  Maybe in Hawaii after they legalize same sex marriages? 
  :-) :-)
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Florida election results.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:19:08 GMT
Organization: NIST

Aside from Tampa...

Broward County had the largest margin of victory for Clinton than any
in the country.

In the US House, Johnston was re-elected (he co-sponsored the GLB Civil
Rights Bill.

E. Clay Shaw defeated former Senate President Gwen Margolis (he is homophobic).

Peter Deutsch and Alcee Hastings, both strongly pro-gay, were elected.
Carrie Meek is likely to be supportive.

Republicans Iliana Ros-Lehtinen and Mario Diaz-Balart may be supportive,
but time will tell.

In the State Senate, feminist Maggie Davidson lost to incumbent Jim Scott.

In the State legislature, pro-gay Tracy Stafford squeaked by football
her/homophobe Earl (im)Morrall.  Stafford was the incumbent.

Ron Cochran replaces Nick Novarro as Sheriff with the help of gay 
voters.  Broward County has only pro-gay Democrats on the commission
and on the school-board, and has the most liberal state delegation.

Every incumbent won, and, of course, term limits was passed by a wide
margin.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:19:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Nov10.001511.23664@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob
Donahue) wrote:
> 
> kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney) writes:
> >Allow me to introduce myself.  Though I'm not motss, I am willing to keep
> >my mind open.
> 
> 	Good for you --- prepare to have it filled.

By the likes of you and Jezeboo?  <snort>  Of all the pompous,
self-righteous crap in your posts, past and present, this one line 
stands out as perhaps *the* most arrogant piece of crap flushed 
into this forum in quite some time.  

Even Dolphie will have trouble topping it (hmmmm - are you an
experienced topper, Dolphie?)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Political/Financial activist project...
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:06:10 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.144014.11043@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
ric@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Graffiti 404-972-4999) writes:

>Here's a great project anyone can do for The Cause<tm>:

>Determine an anti-gay merchant in your area. Then, determine a pro-gay
>competitor to this merchant. Make a substantial purchase at the pro-gay
>shop, and then photocopy the receipt. Circle the total paid in red, and
>include it in a letter to the 'phobic merchant, explaining that he could
>have had that money if it wasn't for his anti-gay reputation.[...]

Not a bad idea at all.  I mentioned a new Border's book
store the other day.  As it happens, our other large
bookstore, called the University Bookstore, has a very bad
reputation for sexist and homophobic discrimination against
its employees, and was recently the object of a boycott
here.  Since the story broke, I had quit shopping at the
University Bookstore.  On four trips to Border's since
October 10th, I've spent $287 there.  I'll copy the receipts
and send them with a letter to the management of the
University Bookstore.  I may also still have receipts from
other bookstores too.  It's quite true that I've dropped
several thousand a year in the University Bookstore in years
past.

Thanks for the tip.  Even the obvious doesn't always occur
to each of us.

-- 
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Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Gay Wealth (was: My Letter to Colorado)
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:54:35 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno):
>> articles in the NY Times have already shown that America's gay
>> population has a significantly larger percentage of disposable income.
>> the average heterosexual household makes around $35,000 while the
>> average gay male household makes around $55,000.
>
> The fact is, it  
> is mostly the wealthy that have the ABILITY to set up something that could  
> be described as a "gay household". Money and status buys freedom,  
> particularly the freedom to be out of the closet.

i don't argue with your statement that money and status
buy freedom, but the fact is that a gay household doesn't
have to be out, and two gay people in a relationship don't
have to live together as a household.

the statistic that i quoted, while smarmy, is limited in
context. i think i have defined that context and i think
that context applies for the average case of a gay male
couple travelling to Colorado on vacation.  [i don't have
the figure for lesbian households.]  would you feel better
if i removed the second sentence and avoided dollar
figures?
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Show biz power
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:24:11 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
  Seems to me that
>Elton John and Bernie Taupin are *four* *times* more
>important than Madonna.


4 * 0 = 0
-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: In a New Stall
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:21:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.011415.5401@netcom!ncselxsi!mtdiablo>  
oriana@netcom!ncselxsi!mtdiablo (Oriana Spadix) writes:
} Howdy horse-lovers!
} 
} Many of you have wondered what has become of me since my  
beloved
} master, Rob, died three months ago.  Early last month I was  
trailered
} down to Danville, about 15 miles away from the R Bar JB ranch  
in
} Concord.  There's lots of trails around here to explore in the
} foothills of Mt.  Diablo.  I share a pen with another mare  
that I get
} along with pretty well--now that she knows who's boss around  
here!
} 
} Rob's sister, Claire still owns me, but I now have a new  
mistress,
} Jane.  She's a hospice nurse and she attends to people who are  
dieing
} from HIV disease and cancer.  Jane sees me several times a  
week and
} rides me often.  I just finished a three-hour ride when Chuck,  
Cory,
} and Claire stopped by to say hello.  I was disappointed that  
they
} didn't bring me any carrots.  What with this change of scenery  
and all
} this exercise, I've lost my "hay belly" that I'd been sporting  
the last
} few months.
} 
} Rob's neighbor Cory checks up on me and makes sure that my new  
sponsor is
} attending to my needs properly.  I miss my chicken stall-mates  
who are
} now happily laying for a neighbor boy who often took care of  
them.
} 
} If you're in the neighborhood, give me a whinny!
} 
} Oriana
} -- 
} Oriana Spadix, formerly of stall 2, R Bar JB, Concord,  
California
} "Bind me in leather, hammer nails through my feet, beat me  
with a crop,
}  and I'll do tricks for you". >::)	- me
} ">snort< >snort> >neeeeeeeigh< >snort<" - Doc Bar (That's my  
great grandsire!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Pink dollar, red circle slash... pink fade
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.100710.15470@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>
>My whole point wasn't to show people where there money came from 
>but to start directing our money back into our own communities of
>business.  We number one will support our own and number two not help
>our enemies out.
>
>We have just fought a couple of battles of what will be a long
>war and it would be nice to start being a little more
>supportive of our community.

Here in Denver, we have the "Colorado Community Directory", a phamplet
there's printed up twice a year that lists nothing but gay owned/operated
businesses.
--
=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC=
=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza.  OK???=
=You know, Colorado has a lot more to fear from a RadiKalFeministLesbianBitch =
=like me than I have to fear from either Colorado or "Them".  Carpe Diem! FWA!=
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:54:41 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>"Demoralization of malice" is certainly a ringing phrase.
>But I am less persuaded than you seem to be that there's a
>phenomenon to accompany it.  The "religious war" partisans
>may not have scored a complete victory, but they certainly
>were not routed, either.  It isn't even a week since the
>election and we already have news of their further
>intentions.

Well, certainly, the demoralization is not complete; my guess is that
it never will be.  But it is remarkable that the vile speeches by
Buchanan et al. *lost the Republicans a lot of votes*, according to a
very general consensus in the newspapers.  It reminds me of Nixon, who
after Brown beat him in Calif. in 1963 (was it?), remained a swine but
cut out red-baiting.  If Buchanan ever actually wants to get elected
to anything, he'll have to cut out queer-baiting.

> (what
>is a "conveniently distant <x>," btw?)

A set of humans is conveniently distant if you are not aware that any
of your friends or relations belong to it.  Queers do that job for
many people; I could mention some groups who do it for me, but best
not.
-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mouse Balls
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:10:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov9.224941.15326@midway.uchicago.edu>,
elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) wrote:

> Very old, very tired.  Haven't been on Usenet long, eh, Matthew?

Since January, darling.  Guess you're too cutting edge for me.
But tell me, Ellen, if the 'memo' is very old, and very tired,
and you were in the know long ago:

  what does that make you?

<smooch>

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