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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Amiga v. Mac (multimedia/video-editing)
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:45:03 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Tue  1 Sep 92  2:18, Oivindi@dhhalden.no (oivind Idso)
wrote:

 OI> Heeeelllloooo.

 OI> I am thinking of getting into video editing the computer-way, and I
 OI> have 
 OI> read a lot about QuickTime for the Mac.

Have a LOOK at QuickTime on the Mac, and decide if it is good for anything
but QuickTime demos. Compared to Amiga ANIMS, or ANIMBrushes, QuickTime
movies look silly.

 OI> 1. Does the Amiga have programs like Adobe Premiere or DiVA
 OI> Videoshop, that
 OI>    allows editing and sequencing of recorded videoclips (that is
 OI> MOVING 
 OI>    video!) and sound?

Yes, Gold Disk's Showmaker. It is Premiere, which IS a way cool program,
but again, I really don't know what you would DO with the output of
Premiere. Showmaker is not as flashy, but is orders of magnitude more
useful... you can do some REAL video sequence editing, not messing around
with little postage-stamp sized messes of pixels. Call up Gold Disk and get
yourself the Showmaker Demo tape. Watch it. When you find your shoes and
socks again, go to a Mac dealer and watch the QuickTime demos...

 OI> 3. What video-recording cards are available today? And how many
 OI> frames pr. 
 OI>    second do they record?

Again, there is no simple answer for this. If you want to digitize moving
images, there ARE framegrabbers for the Amiga that will do this for you,
with about the same quality as Mac Quicktime movies (that is to say, poor
quality). If you are interested in real video work, then this becomes a
non-question.

 OI> 5. How fast are the programs (screen updating, playback etc.)?

My '030 based Amiga 2500 is faster at screen updates and deep colour
animation than is my Mac Quadra 700.

 OI> I would also appreciate any additional comments on whatever I need to
 OI> know 
 OI> regarding the Amiga and moving video (I know it's hard, but try to be
 OI> objective when comparing the Amiga v. Mac!).

Objectively speaking, I really don't know what the use for QuickTime is,
other than demonstrating QuickTime, and adding a few poorly done animations
to some CD encyclopedia sets. The Amiga ANIM format is more compact, and
plays back at full screen, with better frame rates than do 2x2 inch
QuickTime movies. I'd give up 8 bit colour in a tiny window to animate 6
bit colour on an full sized, overscanned monitor any day.

The ANIM format, and ANIMbrushes, are compatible with just about every
single Amiga hypermedia program out there. You'll be able to create more
captivating, colourful, and realistic presentations with an Amiga than you
will be able to with a Mac. Guaranteed.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO)
Subject: Amiga v. Mac (multimedia/video-editing)
Keywords: QuickTime v. ???
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:17:37 GMT

Heeeelllloooo.

I am thinking of getting into video editing the computer-way, and I have 
read a lot about QuickTime for the Mac.

However, I know the Amiga is quite a powerful multimedia machine, too, but
I'm not sure how it rates against QuickTime.

So could someone on the Amiga-side please answer me on the following:

1. Does the Amiga have programs like Adobe Premiere or DiVA Videoshop, that
   allows editing and sequencing of recorded videoclips (that is MOVING 
   video!) and sound?

2. If yes, what are the names of these programs?

3. What video-recording cards are available today? And how many frames pr. 
   second do they record?

4. How good is the quality of the recorded movies (subjective question)?

5. How fast are the programs (screen updating, playback etc.)?

6. Which machine is required (as a minimum)?

I would also appreciate any additional comments on whatever I need to know 
regarding the Amiga and moving video (I know it's hard, but try to be 
objective when comparing the Amiga v. Mac!).


Oivind   (oivindi@sofus.dhhalden.no)

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From: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: AmigaVision Standalone player-->>WHEN??
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:48:03 GMT
Reply-To: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <pl159410.714966154@academ01> pl159410@academ01.mty.itesm.mx
 (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez) writes:


>Gracias to Cathy at C= for that announcement!!! BTW, since C= IS working on a 
>new version, where can I mail any comments or suggestion for the new vers.
>of AV?? It would be nice for C= to at least give us a hint of newer versions
>of software coming out, and ask us to comment on them.. hmmm.. any volunteers?

We are interested in hearing your comments about AmigaVision.  Please realize
that any comments we hear now that we haven't heard before will not make it
into the next release.  Any new features or ideas will be considered for the 
release after next.

I think the best place to send your comments would be to either myself or
Cathy Godfrey.

(Cathy Godfrey {rutgers,uunet}!cbmvax!cathy!)

>_______________________________________________________________________________
>- ALEJANDRO GARZA GONZALEZ tel. +(83)38-46-86 Monterrey, MEXICO (Yes, Mexico!)
>- ITESM Campus Monterrey                 ***3D animation! stereo sound! 
>- Channel 23 Coordinator (only Amigas!!) ***24 Hrs a day! 7 days a week! etc.!
>- pl159410@academ01.mty.itesm.mx / luisk@men_at_work.mty.itesm.mx
>- A1000/2.5/20MB A1000/8MB A2000/25/100 A3000/25/105  
>_______________________________________________________________________________

Thanks for your interest.

John Campbell
Director, Commodore Applications and Technical Support (CATS)
From: sl1zm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Cathy Godfrey please reply.
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:43:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Kathy Godfrey (sp?)  please reply to this message... I hear that
I should send AmigaVision Bug reports dirrectly to you, but the only
way I have successfully gotten my mailer to reach you is in reply to
a message of yours.

BTW... the bug list isn't pretty :-/ .

James Diffendaffer
*******************************************************************
Utah State University
Instructional Tek Dept.
Nexus Lab

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Amiga Clips is Dead (was Re: Making amiga vision take off (as it should, of course))
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:43:29 GMT

   [Sorry -- I could not resist the subject line! :-) With my becoming famous
for "XXX is dead" messages lately, I couldn't stand the temptation.]

Anyway, In article <AedaLLO00j_H8IO1Ub@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.multimedia: 2-Sep-92 Re:
>> AmigaVision Standalone .. jerry cullingford@crosfi (1017)
>
>> Great! Maybe now we'll see AmigaVision take off the way it deserves.
>
>That was in reference to a freely distributable player. 
>
>But... I think that this is only half the problem. The other half is
>that you need all this *stuff* to make a neat AV flow. You need
>pictures. You need backgrounds. You need anims. You need sounds. You
>need music.
>
>The only one of those things that is available in large quantity in the
>public domain is music, and even then it's in various mod formats, not
>SMUS.  I think that commodore would not be doing itself a disservice if
>it set up a BBS/FTP site filled with all the freely redistributable IFF
>files it could get its hands on, or if it produced inexpensive CDs
>filled with such things (e.g. digitised non-copyrighted photos of
>landscapes, common objects, famous buildings etc, the equivalent of a
>sound effects record, etc etc....). Failing commodore doing this, a
>concerted effort by the net to generate, gather and catalogue such files
>would certainly be a help. 

   Commodore produced a small package called "Amiga Clips Volume I: Sound
Effects", which is exactly what the title implies -- a collection of 8SVX
one-shot sound effects files for AmigaVision presentations.  The title also
implies that there will be a Volume II, and III, etc.. which are collections
of additional sound effects or other things entirely (graphic objects 
perfect for AmigaVision, for instance, or SMUS scores).  The problem is that
this simple collection of sound effects came out more than a year ago, and
there has been no sign of any additional packages in the Amiga Clips series
since.  Now how long can it take to put together simple package like this,
anyway?

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
From: ilsa@netcom.com (Ilsa VanHook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Making amiga vision take off (as it should, of course)
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:52:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.5wmn#l+.ilsa
Organization: Shonen Knife Fan Club

In article <AedaLLO00j_H8IO1Ub@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
[...stuff...]
>SMUS.  I think that commodore would not be doing itself a disservice if
>it set up a BBS/FTP site filled with all the freely redistributable IFF
>files it could get its hands on, or if it produced inexpensive CDs
>filled with such things (e.g. digitised non-copyrighted photos of
>landscapes, common objects, famous buildings etc, the equivalent of a
>sound effects record, etc etc....). Failing commodore doing this, a
>concerted effort by the net to generate, gather and catalogue such files
>would certainly be a help. 

great idea, and someone else thought so, too:

------BEGIN QUOTED TEXT------
From: gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin)
Subject: Multimedia/Amiga anonymous FTP site
Date: 20 Dec 91 01:54:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zip.1991Dec20.015400.7765

We are pleased to announce the creation of a new anonymous ftp site
to support multimedia.  We would like to solicit anonymous ftp submissions
into the /amiga/incoming directory of this site.  Areas of interest are:

-multimedia utilities (binaries and source)
-images and image manipulation tools (JPEG, DCTV, PPM, IFF, GIF)
-music and sounds
-fonts
-multimedia articles
-textures
-clipart
-...

This site is:

archive.umich.edu	141.211.164.153

The /amiga directory is, of course, primarily for Amiga items, but
we will try to keep it as machine independent as possible (ie, we want
to concentrate more on multimedia than on a specific machine).
The only criterion is that all submissions must be freely available and
copyright free.  If you have any problems, please send email to:

baronz@caen.engin.umich.edu  or  gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu

-Ralph
------END QUOTED TEXT------
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.multimedia:1224 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:5818
From: jerellis@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Jeremy A. Ellis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: animation+sound software w/ player (continued 2)
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:10:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

(continued again)
The Director v2.0  - I don't know too much about this one, so I called the 
company and they never got back to me.  It sounds like I could use it, but I 
don't know anything about how you set up your demos - I really want a time 
schedule thing.
MovieSetter - I thought of this right away, and I have seen it used some (E. 
Schwarz uses it a lot).  But I understand that it has a more confusing way of 
scheduling events and even the guy at Gold Disk couldn't really recommend it.  
But it is *cheap*.

So, now if you have been following my saga of postings, you will know what I 
want in a software.  Also, I am not interested in paying much more than $100.  
I would like to hear what you have to say about any of this software that you 
are familiar with.  Also, I would like to know if I am right in thinking that 
all I will have to do to get digitized sound in my demos is to digitize stuff 
and save it as an 8SVX and then plug it in (with the length dependent on my 
available fast memory).
Thanks A LOT in advance,
Jeremy A. Ellis
PS  Please post to comp.sys.amiga.multimedia or e-mail me at 
jaellis@macc.wisc.edu as there is no way that I will be able to keep up with 
reading comp.sys.amiga.graphics.
Thanks.
From: pl159410@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: AmigaVision Standalone player-->>WHEN??
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:42:34 GMT

Kevin_Carruthers@telepro.UUCP (Kevin Carruthers) writes:

>In a message dated Sat 15 Aug 92  4:49, Cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (catheri
>wrote:


> C> Commodore is working on a new version of AmigaVision.  I cannot say 
> C> much about new features or the release date yet, but I am able to tell
> C> you that this new version will include a stand-alone runtime player. 
> C> Cathy
> C>               ============================================
> C>               Cathy Godfrey   {rutgers,uunet}!cbmvax!cathy

HALLELUJAH! <- is that spelled right??

Gracias to Cathy at C= for that announcement!!! BTW, since C= IS working on a 
new version, where can I mail any comments or suggestion for the new vers.
of AV?? It would be nice for C= to at least give us a hint of newer versions
of software coming out, and ask us to comment on them.. hmmm.. any volunteers?

_______________________________________________________________________________
- ALEJANDRO GARZA GONZALEZ tel. +(83)38-46-86 Monterrey, MEXICO (Yes, Mexico!)
- ITESM Campus Monterrey                 ***3D animation! stereo sound! 
- Channel 23 Coordinator (only Amigas!!) ***24 Hrs a day! 7 days a week! etc.!
- pl159410@academ01.mty.itesm.mx / luisk@men_at_work.mty.itesm.mx
- A1000/2.5/20MB A1000/8MB A2000/25/100 A3000/25/105  
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: How to Solve the Problem of A3000 C= CD-ROM Support
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:12:24 GMT
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Sun 23 Aug 92  2:07, Flui@fraser.sfu.ca (francis Wai Gee
wrote:

 FWG> However, the difference is that Apple and IBM are being perceived as
 FWG> making
 FWG> efforts to advance the state of the art in multimedia, while the
 FWG> Amiga seems
 FWG> to be stuck in the mud.  It's the public perception that's
 FWG> sickening, more
 FWG> than anything else.

And anybody who counts (i.e. anybody actually DOING multimedia work) is
shooting themselves in the foot by ignoring the Amiga and it's many
strengths. Frankly, CD-ROM is a great way to get a large database or a
large multimedia presentation into many hands, but it is not the saviour of
the multimedia industry.

Let's talk a bit about PhotoCD. This is an exciting technology. IF it takes
off with consumers, it will be a big boon to the multimedia industry.
However, there are problems. There are many photo-finishers balking at
purchasing a $150,000 workstation to digitize photos for a (now) very small
customer base. Likely in the first stages of PhotoCD, the service will only
be available in major cities. It will take a while to trickle out to the
majority of communities and cities across the continent. If PhotoCD can
"hang on" during this initial phase (and Kodak has indicated that it is
committing substantial resources to see that it does) it will be a popular
and wide-spread thing. 

Executives who need images to include in multimedia presentations would
then not have to rely on "clip art" CD-ROM collections - they could buy
slides from stock photo books, shoot the pictures themselves, etc., and get
them professionally digitized and put on a PhotoCD for computer access.

PhotoCD support then seems to me to be an important thing for any Amiga
multimedia solution. This will have more of an immediate impact on
multimedia that CD-ROM will, in my estimation. This is a direction that a
believe Commodore has said they are working in.



-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:25:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Making Movies
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia

	
	I believe The Director would work well for that task.

	-Mike-
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Making Movies
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:33:40 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

There are LOTS of Amiga packages for integrating dynamic sound and graphics
-- get a copy of Amazing Computing's AC's Guide to the Amiga, from PIM
Publications in Fall River, MA.....  There were programs to do this on
Amigas years before anything came out on Macs or IBM PC-compatibles......
there's Deluxe Video, Scala, software from Oxxi, Elan Performer I think,
something from Gold Disk, and I know that I'm overlooking a lot of other
programs... there are probably even some public domain programs!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: Eggman@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Eggman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Mouse and HD for CDTV?
Distribution: world
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:45:28 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

Does anyone know of a REAL mouse for the CDTV?  I have seen a new,
connected-with-a-wire mouse (black to match the box) for the CDTV but is it
available separately?  Also, are there any HD's available for the CDTV
preferrably internal (will the Novia 20 work?) I just want to boot my
network (A3000 and CDTV) without floppies.  Thanks.
Robert Eggleton

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From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Amiga v. Mac (multimedia/video-editing)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:47:45 GMT
Reply-To: disc@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Something fatal.

Jerry Dischler/Little Fluffy Cloud/disc@quads.uchicago.edu
From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (jerry cullingford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: AmigaVision Standalone player-->>WHEN??
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:02:41 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <34767@cbmvax.commodore.com> campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS) writes:
>In article <15248@suns6.crosfield.co.uk> jc@crosfield.co.uk (jerry
> cullingford) writes:
>(regarding a runtime for AmigaVision)
>>
>>Ah... but is it going to be a _freely redistributable_ runtime player?
>
>Yes, it is going to be a freely redistributable runtime player.
>
>John Campbell
>Director, Commodore Applications and Technical Support (CATS)

Great! Maybe now we'll see AmigaVision take off the way it deserves.

:-) :-) :-) :-)

(BTW - is numerical editing (as opposed to drag-and-hope visual editing)
 going to be in the new version? That was one of the few omissions in
the original version).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi)
Subject: VideoToaster for the Macintosh!  etco
Reply-To: ttak@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:07:33 GMT

I am in semi-desparate need of INFORMATION on the VideoToaster
NuBus card for the Macintosh from NewTek.  How much is it
and where can I get it for a reasonable price?  Can someone
give me the toll-free or any sort of phone number or address for
NewTek?

Also, some information from VideoToaster users!

Please answer direct to ttak@midway.uchicago.edu

Kenji Takeuchi  THANKS!

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.multimedia:1222 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:5817
From: jerellis@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Jeremy A. Ellis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: I need an animation+sound software *with* player
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:30:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

Hi everyone,
   I have some animations and dpaint iv images that I would like to turn into 
demos a la Eric Schwarz, and whoever does the walker ones (mine are a little 
more humble).  Also I will be getting a Perfect Sound 3.x and will be 
digitizing stuff off of some of my CD's (like a movie sound track and a sound 
effects CD) and would like something to put this all together in synchronized 
clump and then distribute this *with* a player.  I have kind of worked out 
what I want - Media Show with a player (Gold Disk) - but there is no player - 
I got Media Show with my A2000HD/P - and I called Gold Disk, they don't know 
of one.  So I will tell you what I would like in an alternative:  I want every 
title, image, animation, sound effect to be set up on a time schedule.  I 
can't imagine any other way of doing this - where I can move around things 
easily and adjust how long and how fast things go.  Mediashow does this very 
wasil
From: Robin_Lois@mindlink.bc.ca (Robin Lois)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Framestores to DPaint
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:29:23 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I really hope that this is a stupid question with a simple answer!  I have just
acquired an Amiga 2000 with Toaster 2.0, and DPaint IV, and none of the manuals
have any information about file formats.  What I'd like to be able to do is
take framestores from Toaster into DPaint.  Is there some way to convert them
to make this possible?  Any recommended reading about file formats?  Much
thanks!   Robin

Robin_Lois@MindLink.bc.ca

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 15:21:59 -0400 
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Making amiga vision take off (as it should, of course)
	<15280@suns6.crosfield.co.uk>

> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.multimedia: 2-Sep-92 Re:
> AmigaVision Standalone .. jerry cullingford@crosfi (1017)

> Great! Maybe now we'll see AmigaVision take off the way it deserves.

That was in reference to a freely distributable player. 

But... I think that this is only half the problem. The other half is
that you need all this *stuff* to make a neat AV flow. You need
pictures. You need backgrounds. You need anims. You need sounds. You
need music.

The only one of those things that is available in large quantity in the
public domain is music, and even then it's in various mod formats, not
SMUS.  I think that commodore would not be doing itself a disservice if
it set up a BBS/FTP site filled with all the freely redistributable IFF
files it could get its hands on, or if it produced inexpensive CDs
filled with such things (e.g. digitised non-copyrighted photos of
landscapes, common objects, famous buildings etc, the equivalent of a
sound effects record, etc etc....). Failing commodore doing this, a
concerted effort by the net to generate, gather and catalogue such files
would certainly be a help.