HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: marsh@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Subject: Re: Falcon030 vs. Falcon040
Reply-To: marsh@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Organization: GWDG Goettingen, F.R.Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:30:01 GMT

In article <10232@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
>With the price of a Falcon030 at $800, the best option is to buy an 030 as
>soon as possible, beef it up with whatever monitor, memory and harddisk you
>can afford, then upgrade to an 040 if needed later - you'll only be losing
>on the $800 - everything else would be re-usable on the 040 (one would assume).
>So, you sell your 030 for $500 to the neighbor to hook up to a TV and play
>the cool games (which the brat has been playing ever since you bought
>the 030).  $300 loss, max - and who knows, you may find the 16MHz 030 quite
>sufficient - after all you've gotten along fine with a machine with one
>quarter of the abilities for some time now, probably without a blitter.
>
>I've already bought my hard-disk for the Falcon (okay, so I lose a bit
>more, because I had to buy an ICD interface to use it for now on my ST),
>so only memory and monitor are concerns (I wish now that I'd bought a
>Multi-sync rather than my colour monitor!).
>
>
>--
>Warwick
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Agreed with every single word of what you wrote!

Tibor.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST Stuff for sale
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:17:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Sep09.081755.20540
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept


ST Stuff for sale:

	MegaFile 20                 $150
	SC1224 Color monitor        $150

	520 ST w/power supply,      $50
	   (no drive, mouse)

	StereoTek Glasses           $40

	Discovery Cartridge         $100
	  option 0 w/sockets

	Monitor Master              $15
	TOS 1.0 ROMs                $3
	TOS 1.2 ROMs                $5

	Dungeon Master w/hint disk  $12
	Chaos Strikes Back          $12
	Ultima 4                    $12
	GIST - The Sound Tool       $5
	Time Link                   $5
	Turbo ST v1.6               $5
	NeoDesk v3.0                $10

	Starglider             \              
	Gnome Ranger  (no docs)  \  $5
	Brataccas    (no docs)  /

	STart Disks (no magazines)  $4
	Nov 1989
	Dec 1989
	Feb 1990
	July 1990

        PageStream v1.5             $20

	*ALL* software titles       $60


IBM Stuff for sale:

	8-bit MFM HD controller     $15
	 (WD1002A-WX1 )

	card for 2 joysticks        $5

	EGA Card                    $10


Other:

	Citizen 200GX 9-pin         $90
	  printer 



Will take best offer on items.  Prices do not include shipping.

Email if interested.

vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Communication programs
From: rfritz@eis.calstate.edu (Ryan Fritz)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:41:38 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

wwc@vsnhda.cern.ch (Wolfgang Wander) writes:
> 
> > What is the "best" public domain communication program?
> [...]
> > Can anyone
> > recommend me some?
> 
> Have a look on connect. The latest version (1.52) was placed today on
> a.a.u.e /atari/new.
> 
> CoNnect is able to support all ports of your atari at the same time.
> You can install baud rates of 38400 57600 ... up to 153600 on a TT or
> a MEGA STE. 
> Its emulations are very bug-free (even more than UniTerms) and the
> latest version even supports in addition to vt52, vt100
> vt102 (ansi) , vt220 the graphics terminal emulation
> TEK 4010.
> 
> 
> CoNnect is completely based on GEM and supports many MiNT/MTOS features.
> 
>   Wolfgang Wander (the author)
> 

Where can this program be FTP'ed from?  It sounds like it might be a
pretty good term program.  Right now I use Interlink, because it has an
external file that you can load and it gives it full ANSI compatibilities
which I find necessary much of the time.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: Can Falcon do that?
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:05:29 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <QAZ6D3S@gwdu03.gwdg.de> marsh@gwdgv1.gwdg.de writes:
>
>P.S. Has anyone ever compared Cubase ST and Cubase Windows? I have the
>impression that Cubase Windows on 33MHz 386 PC with SVGA is much much
>less capable than Cubase ST on my good old 8Mhz 1040STFM concerning
>especially realtime related functions.

Hey, of course! What is it that makes you even try to compare an
Atari to and MSDOS machine? Everybody knows GEM an an 8Mhz ST
runs better than MS Windows on perhaps even a 486.

-- 
________________________________________________________
    Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
   7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ST questions: GCC 2.2, FPUs and image converters
Keywords: FPU
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:47:21 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

don@terminus.gatech.edu (Don Allison) writes:
                         Cool name.

>2.  Having just put an ICD AdSpeed STE in my system and added a
>floating point coprocessor, I was looking for a compiler that
>would support using a 68881 as a peripheral, like the ST's do.

There is code at atari.archive, I believe it has "881" in the title,
find it in the index.  Probably in progaramming, or in the gnustuff/tos
area.  This code deals with peripheral 68881 use, but I'm not sure in
what way.


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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:47:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes) says:

>hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
>> As a developer, I'm just curious... how many folks in this newsgroup actually
>> intend to buy a Falcon when (and if) they become readily available at say, ab
>> US$799 for a 1Mb, _no_ hard drive model (which will _not_ multitask in this 
>> configuration)?  How much will a 4Mb, 65Mb HD model cost?  Atari has not rele
>> pricing info yet but if $799 is about right for the low end, we would surely 
>> talking about $1299 or so, don't you think?  And you'll also need a VGA monit
>> So how many _really_ intend to buy one?
> 

I'm planning to buy the Falcon 030 w/4 megs and 65 meg h.d. in
Spring of next year.

Oh, the reason I'm buying a Falcon 030 with 4 megs is because I've
been told over and over by my friends that 2 megs is needed for
VGA games.

I do all kinds of things with my computer and 4 megs would
cover everything.

I wish that $1399 was more like $1199, but don't we all?


By that time, all the bugs will be worked out and Multi-TOS will
have many programs taking advantage of it.

SPRING is it for me guys...
>  My next computer, aside from a cheapo 520 to use as a terminal, will 
-- 
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Use of Falcon's DSP?
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:08:18 GMT

 I read in Atari ST User (a UK magazine), issue #37, about the
DSP chip in the new Falcon computer. 

 If I remember it correctly, they claim that the DSP can handle
eight sound channels, but also that there are four DMA stereo 
channels.

 I don't get it, is the DSP responsible for DMA, or are there
two types of sound synthesis in the Falcon (DMA _and_ with the
DSP)?

 Also, does anyone know if the DSP will make the Falcon unique
when it comes to manipulating graphics? (At least as long as
no other computer or video game company decide to use this
standard DSP chip for their product.)

 Anders Skelander
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:40:33 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au


>>  The only thing that the LCII has is a superior O/S but TOS is

dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience) writes:


>I don't agree with your comment about the superior OS, I find the Mac OS
>*extremely* user friendly, and *extremely* slow, and *extremely* limited. I 
>perfer the ST's O/S better in almost all cases...

And "user friendly" can definately be extreme.  In first-year, we had Macs,
and I was editting a program, then accessed a disk from a friend.  He took
the disk away, then a little later the machine INSISTED that I insert that
disk.  The only escape was rebooting - losing all my program.  The Mac gets
very fascist when it comes to floppy disks.

Give mw the more subservient OS of the Atari any day.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Thesaurus
From: morris@divsun.unige.ch (mike morris)
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:12:52 +0200
Reply-To: morris@divsun.unige.ch
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland

In article 22238@muppet.bt.co.uk, davidb@muppet.bt.co.uk (David Baboulene DND3) writes:
>
>Hi chaps/Chappettes,
>I am currently using FirstWord on an atari ST to write a book, leading
>me to an urgent, burning desire for a thesaurus for the ST. 
>Can you satisfy my desire? Do you know if there is such a beast, and where 
>I could get hold of it if there is? 
>Thank you for any help you can give me,
>Cheers,
>David Baboulene (davidb@muppet.bt.co.uk)
>deleted . . .


K-Roget was around a few years back, but it was a bit of a dinosaur
(big and slow). I don't know if it is still on the market - if you can find 
someone who bought it, they would probably be glad to pass it on!

In the French version of the *great* WP Le Redacteur (now out as v4), there
is an *amazing* online thesaurus (plus French, German, Italian, and English dicos).
Perhaps the English version has an english thesaurus?
(I dont know who handles the Eng. version, I'm afraid).

Good luck, Mike.
From: marc@hemlock.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 300dpi GDOS fonts
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:32:32 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: marc@hemlock


In article <1992Sep10.001148.19862@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, cable@crs.cl.msu.edu (Dan Cable) writes:
> I write:
> 
> >Can anyone point me at any 300dpi GDOS fonts please?  I need them for
> >my DeskJet and various GDOS applications.  Or perhaps I can just fire
> >up a font editor and munge some existing fonts -- expand them, etc.?
> 
> There are a number of That's Write font archives on GEnie that contain 300dpi
> LaserJet fonts. The naming conventions are a little funny and there may be
> some extra characters, but they are GEM fonts.
> 
> --
> Dan Cable                            e-mail cable@crs.cl.msu.edu
> Canton MI USA planet Earth           Compuserve 75266.353

Can these font archives be uploaded to atari.archive?  I don't have GEnie access.

Cheers,

[M][a][r][c]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Subject: Help!
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:12:20 GMT

Ok. I have lots of questions and some will be in later posts as I am pushed for
time right now...

1. How do you download files from atari.archive?
It may not be as bad as that. I FTP them (in binary mode) to a Sun. Kermit
them to a PC to get them on a floppy and bung it in my ST. The problem is when
I try to decode them (with arc or zoo or lzh) it gives various errors like bad
crc check etc and gives up. I download files in exactly the same way from
pdsoft (good place!) and they work fine. What am I doing wrong?

2. I have heard from several people about newly released computers having lots
of bugs in. Will this be true for the Falcon? If so, how long do I wait to buy
one? (I really would love to get my hands on one of these!!!). If you get one
with bugs, what can you do about it?

Must go now...

Phil
(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)

-- 
Kryten (When Cat says why don't we raise the defensive shields?) "A superlative
suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shields
and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's only
one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".
From: karloey@aahs.no (Karl Anders Oygard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Commerical Software and Fergus McNeill
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:57:25 GMT

Ads in software? Okay! If you really want it. But just pushing the prices down
a bit would certainly help. If you take a look at the "old days" with the
Sinclair Spectrum and the C64, when a "normal" game would cost round seven
to eight pounds sterling, and the most expencive ones would cost a maximum
of 14.95 GBP, people were more likely to buy them. Nowadays, 14.95 is supposed
to be a budget game!!! These games used to cost 2.5 GBP, which is the average
price of a disk from a PD library nowadays.
  Who do you think sell the most software? PD libraries or any softwr. company?
  To make people continue buying from the software companies, they try BIG
titles, like James Bond, Terminator, etc. etc. But the games don't seem to
get any better because of that. If you take a look at the Addams family, you'd
notice that the game is much more alike the game than the film - or the cult
series. This is probaly because they wanted to sell it while the title still
was hot, and then they won't have time to make a REAL game.
  Selling the games for a smaller amount of money will make better value for
money, and more will buy. However, forgetting the hot titles and make GAMES
instead, would make even more people buy. I guess the software market is too
commerical as it is. Please don't make it any worse.

And BTW; Does anyone out there have any old Fergus McNeill games for the
 good ol' Sinclair Spectrum??!? I'd love to buy them - for a reasonable
 price...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: david@tid.es (David Soleno)
Subject: Calamus SL
Reply-To: david@tid.es
Organization: Telefonica I+D
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:12:31 GMT

Net-beings:

	I'm thinking of buying the Calamus SL package and have several
	questions regarding the software:
	
	a) I understand it has gone thorugh several updates. When was the 
	last update released? Is it a stable program?

	b) I believe Calamus SL introduced the concept of modules, which
	could be loaded on demand. How many of these modules are there?
	Does Calamus SL come with some, or are they all sold separately?

	c) Does Calamus SL have any special hardware requirements (memory,
	monitor, STE/TT)? 

	d) Would you recommend buying Calamus SL? How well is it supported?
	(The program will be used in the U.S.)


						Thanks,

						David Soleno
						david@tid.es
From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TT Compatability questions
Keywords: TT, ST, compatible, games, applications
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:44:29 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

In article <1992Sep14.082311.23094@cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>
>Because I signed a non-disclosure agreement with Atari.
>Fool that I was! :-)

Tut tut! You shouldn't have disclosed this! :-) According to the
non-disclosure agreement which I didn't sign, but have two copies of.

>
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own !
>! Neil Forsyth                                                               !
>! Department of Computing and Electrical Engineering                         !
>! Heriot-Watt University                                                     !
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>+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Steve
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Re: superior designs? (was Re: Falcon Graphics)
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 12:07:02 GMT

In <52982@dime.cs.umass.edu> michael@dime.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras) writes:

>It all depends on what you mean by superior.  Even ignoring the issues of
>hardware capabilities and software availability, there's aesthetics to
>consider.  Without looking at any other features, I know that I don't want
>a Falcon because of its "everything in one unit" design.  I used a 1040
>for a couple of years, and I hated the fact that it cluttered my desk with
>cables, was difficult to move around to type at different angles because
>of those same cables, that I needed something else to prop my monitor
>on to get it above the computer, and that the keyboard just plain sucked.
>Sure, they made it all in one because it kept the cost down.  Too bad; I
>don't care how inexpensive something is if it's aggravating to work with.

>If I didn't have my Mega, with the separate keyboard (and a tactile feel
>that's orders of magnitude better than the 1040) and the main unit which
>let's me throw all of the cables behind my desk, I wouldn't even have an
>ST now.

The Falcon's case is like the 1040ST, but the keyboard feels just
like  the  TT's one, which IMHO is even better than the Mega ST's
keyboard feel. And I have seen ads at the Atari Messe  announcing
separate  cases for the Falcon keyboard. Since the keyboard seems
to have the same layout as the ST keyboards, I don't expect it to
be  difficult  to develop a seperate keyboard case for the Falcon
from the cases already available for the STs.

>>So how many _really_ intend to buy one?

>Not me.  Barring unforseen circumstances, I don't expect I will ever buy
>another Atari computer.  I am comfortable with my current system (thanks
>to MiNT), but there have been too many times that software was available
>for most other systems that didn't exist for the ST (e.g. raytracers and
>_good_ word processors, both of which are now available for the ST).

Good word processors??? Signum!2 dates from 1986, but on  the  PC
people have been using trash like MS Word 4.0, 5.0, 5.5 until two
years ago.
And regarding  availability  of  future  standard  software,  I'd
expect  it  will  be  multimedia  stuff of various kinds. And the
Falcon definitely is very well prepared for  this,  in  terms  of
hardware,  so  it  would be a surprise to me if the corresponding
software would not become available.

Greetinx, Jan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:38:25 GMT

In article <10219@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>Extracting Archives is not just a pain in the neck, but also a waste of
>storage space, bandwidth and time.
>
>Let's all use ZOO, LHA, LHARC, ARC, ZIP, TAR, COMPRESS, etc.

Better yet, let's all just use zoo in high compression mode.  Speed, 
compression rate, and stability over platforms is key.

>
>ie. standard formats that can clearly be extracted on-site.
>

Amen.

>
>
>--
>warwick
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From: Julian_Reschke@ms.maus.de (Julian Reschke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted t
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:42:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MS.A47271
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

William Rosenkranz (rosenkra@convex.com) wrote:
>we thank you for sharing your work. however, to get widest distribution,
>please don't post self extracting archives. people without ataris may
>want to look at it (ie read the documentation). use arc, zoo or lharc.

I thought that LHArc can work on these self-extracting executables.
Just try it!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: carter@cae.wisc.edu (Carter Gregory)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:12:24 CDT

In article <Chris_Millar.04jv@lppl.mi.org> Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
>Hey, Kovarski - I'm sick of your sh*t - if i wanted to waste my time I'd
>reply to every one of your ridiculous posts, but for now you'll have to
>settle with this - shut up - if I wanted to hear more moronic Atari
>bashing, I'd hang out in amiga.advocacy..........
>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>

Look GUY,

   Mr. Kovarski has the right to post anything he wants, no exceptions.
If you can't find some other means of disagreement other than your threats
of mailing his administrator, using vocabulary of the uneducated kind,
simply find yourself a good country that does not allow freedom of speech and
settle there.

OTHERWISE THINK and reply.
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-Greggy POO
From: protonen@daimi.aau.dk (Lars J|dal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is UMich Archive Still Around?
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:58:08 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

markb@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Mark Bridgett) writes:
>Brian,
>I have had the same problem - no response from Umich.
>Mark

I just called atari.archive.umich.edu an hour ago without problems.
I have no idear what could cause your problem.

Good luck!

Lars
From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Why no floppy port on the Falcon??
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:13:56 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
> I think there is a very good reason.. not enough space on either the back of
> the machine or the circuit board.
> 
> From the photos I've seen of the Falcon's internals they are pretty crammed
> as it is!
> 
> Would you prefer a floopy port to the SCSI2 interface, or would you like not
> to be able to have an internal hard drive?
> 
> In this small a machine everything is a compromise.
 
  Oh!  It just hit me - the external floppy is no problem - There's a 
SCSI2 port, and there are several SCSI-based floppy drives available for 
the Mac...  Spectre GCR should work fine with them (at most, a patch 
might be needed).
 
 - Mark Hughes (Caves of Steel 509-624-2078)  mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
"Confound these ancestors... They've stolen our best ideas!" -Ben Jonson