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From: karen@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: guana and a dog?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:33:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: UMSLVMA.1689DA29F.SKLRAMS
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

i agree that a dog and an ig would probably not be the best combination,
but my dog was raised from a pup with my young (at the time) ig, and
i have never had a problem. they walk around by each other although they
usually try to avoid one another. so unless you can raise them together
i suggest--NOT!!!!!
 
karen
 
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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: beginner snakes
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:49:10 GMT

In article <Bx5Lv5.GA5@egsner.cirr.com>, datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>I am interested in getting a pet snake.  I have no experience and
>>basically looking to find an inexpensive, colorful, relatively
>>friendly, easy-to-care-for, hard-to-kill (inadvertantly) beginner
>>snake for a ten gallon aquarium.
>
>Easy.  You want a Corn Snake, Elaphe gutatta, sometimes known as the Red
>Ratsnake.  They're colorful, exceedingly docile, simple to take care of,
>and reasonably small.  I paid $35 for my amelanistic Corn.
>
>>feeder mice anyway?  Thanks for any info,    Tim
>
>Usually a buck or two.


	Thumbs up for me!!! Good advice!!! One thing though...you have to keep
comming back to the net. These people have really helped me out with my Albino
Corn :)
                                               
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

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From: cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain)
Subject: Re: snakes in apartments
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:30:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.093100.5442@desire.wright.edu>  
jknife@desire.wright.edu writes:

> next year.  How much trouble does anyone think I'll have finding an  
apartment
> which will accept me and my corn snake and boa?  From what I've heard so  
far, 
> most "no pets" rules apply to pets with fur.  Any comments on this?
> 
> 
> 
> 	Thanks,
> 	Joe Knife
Usually landlords have no problems with animals that are kept in  
cages/aquariums and are quiet - We've never had a problem finding a place  
wiht 3 reptiles.
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:11:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Brown bottom...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp

In rec.pets.herp, mtaranto@sura.net (Michael Taranto) writes:

> 	My Ball Python has what looks like a skin ocndition on his 
> underside, specifically the last 1/4 of his body (tail end.) It looks 
> like the skin has not been able to shed and has turned a light brown in
> color. This has been around for about month and a half now. He is
> beginning to shed again and has not shed in one piece much lately. ...

Assuming that he has been eating and the tempurature is OK (high 70's
to low 80's) then humidity could be the problem. Try putting a sweater
box in his cage with a layer of damp spaghnum peat moss in the bottom.
Cut two holes in the lid so he can enter and leave. Around shedding time
my Ball Python lays in its sweater box most of the time. Prior to using
a sweater box my 4 ft Ball Python shed in about 1000 pieces. Now she
sheds in one piece including the head and eye caps. 

You should pre-wash the moss to remove any dust. Add water as needed 
to keep the moss most. Replace the moss every month or two, or if
you suspect any mold or other nasties growing in it.

> 
> Michael
> 

Dave                                         (daver@hpgrrd.gr.hp.com)

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From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: Re: Killing food....
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:09:55 GMT

     A suggestion on frozen food.  Sometimes when the food is frozen it loses
its scent. Try rubbing some raw chicken or something like that on the mouse
after it has thawed.  This will give it a little scent

Later
Steve

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From: dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: KILLING RATS/GUINEAS/MOUSE/ETC/ETC/ETC!!!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:28:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Thanks a bunch for all of you guy/gal's help.  Now I know what must be done.


1.  Use up all of my gas in car driving to pet store. (Nearest pet store is
    about 20 miles away.

2.  Spend my entire weekly spending allowance on damn guinea pig.

3.  Break the damn guineas neck.

4.  Feed it to snake.

5.  Laugh at stupid snake because he never does know at first where the head
is. Usually takes him a half hour or so. (No kidding!  He always finds it
though.)

6.  Laugh at poor snake because the bulge in stomach makes him totally
immobilized.

7.  Do other stuff for a few days.

8.  Clean GIANT dung from cage.

9.  Buy another pig


-Dan McCauley

(Lair of Sam, Lisa, Spot, Spot II, and Vicious Vicky)
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Killing Food!!!
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:04:27 GMT

dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) writes:


>    I have a burmese python who will only eat freshly killed animals.  It was
>    brought up this way from a baby because the breeder didn't want the mice
>    to scratch or bite his prized snake, so now he only cringes away from live
>    animals.  

This breeder did you a *big* favor.

>    Well back to the point.  The problem I am having is that I do
>    not know an efficient and quick way to kill my rats and guinea pigs.  I

Jeeeeeeeeezus.  Watch WWF wrestling.  You're sure to come away with the
general idea.

>    have tried electrocution(but the animal's fur was resistant to the 120 AC
>    volts. ) Drowning took to long and seemed very unhumane to me, 


Ahem, your instincts are serving you well.  Electrocution, drowning,
poisoningm et. al. are inhumane.  Good guess.  Not to mention that
they are rather time consuming.

>    and I don't
>    have the heart to break the sucker's neck with my pencil.  

I'm not trying to give you an unduly hard time, so don't go getting mad at
me.  Killing food is one of the basic operations involved in the husbandry
of carnivores.  If you really can't live with killing food items you ought
to reconsider keeping carnivores.

>    I would
>    appreciate if anyone could give me some advice on how to quickly kill
>    these vermin bastards.  Thank you very much.

Grab it by the tail or hinder legs. Say "Sorry, Mr. {Rat|Gerbil|Mouse|GuineaPig|whathaveyou}"
and swing it hard so that the neck hits a table edge or the head meets a hard
surface.  Works instantly most every time.

Let me just add that I really don't enjoy killing food.  It's my least favorite
task.  But Rit still has to get done.


cheers,
gerard

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From: mojo@reed.edu (Jet Pilot)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Killing Food!!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:13:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov6.211352.5458
Organization: Miskatonic University, Arkham, MA


I find the quickest way to kill food is to give it a hard thwack on a wall;
it's unpleasant, to be sure, but probably actually more humane than the
alternatives.

I don't know how well it works on an animal like a guinea pig, which has
essentially no tail.

BTW, rats need to be thwacked *hard*.  Otherwise they have a way of coming
back to life unexpectedly.

	NT
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From: jknife@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: snakes in apartments
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:31:00 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


	I just read the post about the guy looking for a roomate, and while I
can't be of any help there (living in Ohio) it reminded me of something I've
been wondering about lately.

	Right now I still live with my parents, but I'm planning on moving out
next year.  How much trouble does anyone think I'll have finding an apartment
which will accept me and my corn snake and boa?  From what I've heard so far, 
most "no pets" rules apply to pets with fur.  Any comments on this?



	Thanks,
	Joe Knife



How does everyone do that thing where they have some big blurb down here and
they repeat it in every message?
From: jim@gordian.com (Jim Van Vorst)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: iguanna digging
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:49:51 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Santa Ana Heights, CA

In article <9211092009.AA02462@cypress.cis.ohio-state.edu>, rosen@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey m rosen) writes:
> My pet green iguana likes to dig up all the sand in the corners of his
> tank.  Does anybody have any ideas why he might be doing this? is it normal?
> 
> Jeff Rosen (Rosen@CIS@ohio-state.edu)
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

He's trying to dig a hole to hide in.  He needs a hidey-hole type place.  
A cardboard box or something will work.
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From: mojo@reed.edu (an unwary guest on a lunatic quest from the Mountains of the Moon)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: snakes in apartments
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:24:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov6.232446.20909
Organization: 2:38 AM


I've faked out at least one "no pets" policy by asking if it was okay to
have enclosed pets---"hamsters, guinea pigs, colubrids, mice, things like
that."  You have to say it fast, or the hearer will flag the word they
don't understand.

Of course, I have sort of a menagerie, so I can just talk about the cute
fuzzies and omit mention of the snakes.  Besides, my present apartment
manager likes 'em.

	NT
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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Emergency
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:23:44 GMT


	Well I had my first emergency this morning. It seems that the power
line was downed by a tree. I awoke to a very cold tank since the heater was not
on and the apartment was FREEZING. I put Tabatha in a fanny pack with a bunch
of cloth and a hand warmer. What emergencies have you all had and what did you
do about it?  Is there any way to back up the heater if you are going away for
a week or so?

                                               
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

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From: Jack.Honeycutt@f52.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Honeycutt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Day Gecko gif available
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:18:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.721129159.AA00000

Hello Joe!

05 Nov 92, Joe Voorhees writes to All:

 JV> If any of you are interested, I posted a gif file in 2 parts of a
 JV> picture of the Banded Day Gecko (Phelsuma standingi) in
 JV> alt.binaries.pictures.misc which was originally published in Dactylus
 JV> (journal of the Intenational Gecko Society) #3.

Say Joe, could you give me a quick talk on what alt.binaries.pictures.misc is?
I know I can get this news group, but after I get it, how do I get the .gif
file out of it?  Do I need any special software other than the stuff I have to
view .gif files with?

Thanks.

Jack
From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: How long do you leave food / water out?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:17:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov12.153615.474@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
>
>About water:
>One book that I have states that young/new igs need an
>acclimation period of 3-4 months where water should be
>available round the clock (a lot of new igs may be
>dehydrated).  Another book that have I contradicts this,
>saying that igs get most, if not all, of their necessary
>water from an adequate diet.  This book recommends making
>water available just 2-3 times a week.  (The reasoning for
>this is that the water might easily get contaminated with
>waste, should the waste drop into the water bowl.)
>
>   Question: What is the popular practice or 
>   frequency for providing water?

Fresh water should always be available for your ig - both for drinking and
bathing.  If it happens to mess in the bowl, simply clean it and replace with
fresh water as soon as you notice.  Also, it sounds like you may have gotten
some of your info. from "A step-by-step book about iguanas" by Jack C. Harris.
If you did, then I suggest you take it all with a grain of salt.  It is, in
general, a poor quality book filled with bad advice.

By the way, how did your ig get its name (Licorice)?
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From: kirsch@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: East Bay Vivarium
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:10:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I visit regularly (1-2x/week) to get food and to check out what's new.  I love
the place, but then again, I only live about 8 blocks away . . .

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From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Book Reviews wanted
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:17:38 GMT


   I'm considering the purchase of a set of books for my reptile-owning
   friend.  The books come in two volumes and are called REPTILE CARE, by
   Frederic L. Frye, D.V.M., M.S., Royal Society of Medicine; T.F.H., Inc.,
   1991.  These books (this book?) SEEM to be incredibly comprehensive and
   covers both reptile care and recognition and treatment of disease.  It
   is well illustrated (in full color) and certainly not for the faint of
   heart (or weak of limb...these volumes are HEAVY!).

   The local pet store is selling the two volume set for $130, and I'd like
   some feedback before I invest this sort of money.  Can anyone out there
   help?

   Either posting or e-mail is acceptable; e-mail preferred.  Thanks in
   advance for any responses.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Killing Food!!!
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:54:37 GMT

teri <TLD115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:


... clean kill method not repeated

>This is alot easier than hitting its head off of something, alot less cruel
>than suffocation, and alot less messy than a hammer.

This was a good post.  Learned something new.  Thanks.

>It wont work with guinnea pigs.....no tails, tho.

Would yanking on the hin legs work?

gb
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: kamalm@sco.COM (Kamal A. Mostafa)
Subject: Re: Are iguanas hardy?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 16:53:03 GMT


thompssp@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Steven P. Thompson) writes:
 | 
 |      The under tank heaters work great. I have something that  is called a 
 | Herpitat (Pat. Pend.). This is a plastic box that goes underneath the tank
 | and hold a light bulb....
 |

I agree...  under-tank heaters provide a more even heat source that is less
likely to cause thermal burns, and besides, they generally allow more space
for animals to stretch out...  On a cold day, my iguana likes to lay all
sprawled out on his floor (heating pad below) with his arms and legs sticking
out all over the place.  This looks alot more comfortable than iguanas I've
seen who have outgrown their hot-rock, and are constantly fidgeting to get
their bodies on top of the rock.

I use the pads with adhesive on one side for application to tank floors.
The pad-heaters are a bit more expensive (I think), but I have yet to have
one burn out on me.  Both of my pad-heaters are still going strong after
over a year of constant use.

-k
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: snakes in apartments
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:33:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxB7n7.33A
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jknife@desire.wright.edu writes:
:)	Right now I still live with my parents, but I'm planning on moving out
:)next year.  How much trouble does anyone think I'll have finding an apartment
:)which will accept me and my corn snake and boa?  From what I've heard so far, 
:)most "no pets" rules apply to pets with fur.  Any comments on this?

Living on a college campus where about 1/4 of the population lives in
apartments...

Actually, most "no pets" rules seem to apply to pets that don't normally
live in an enclosed environment. Rabbits, birds, snakes, fish, etc, are
often acceptable, but cats, dogs, or other run arounds are not. Of the
usually acceptable kinds, the more "unusual" the animal, the less liklihood
you'll have of getting into a "no pets" apartment with it. For example, all
managers have heard of fish, and they know fish are more decorative than pets
(in their eyes, anyway). Even the dorms here, which don't allow pets,
allow fish. Most managers know about rabbits, and know they're pretty
docile (I know some aren't, but managers have that impression), and would
allow those. Not many managers know a lot about snakes, though, and this
will reduce the chances quite a bit. Managers worry about snakes getting
into small holes and then INSIDE the building structure, and then into
another tenants apartment. They don't understand snakes, so they think of
them as slimy evil creatures, and are a little scared of them. The best
thing to do is, when talking to the manager about your snake, assure
him/her that your snakes have never escaped from their cage (even if
they have :), and be ready to show the manager that it's quite near impossible
to do so. For example, the tank I used to keep my king snake in had such
a secure top I could lift the entire thing by it. If you make the manager
feel secure about it, they'll be more likely to let you have the snake.
And you'll be in great luck if the manager has a snake of his own.  :)

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From: tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer)
Subject: Re: snakes in apartments
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:04:39 GMT

In article <B7sVTB7w165w@iowegia.uucp> quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest) writes:
>tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer) writes:
>
[stuff deleted...]
>> they caged?"  I said yes.  She said as long as they're generally caged and
>> will not soil the carpets or scratch the walls then they're fine.  Me & my
>> 18 snakes have now been happily living in this apartment for 2 years. 
>
>
>David,
>
>        Did you say anything about the mice and rats you breed to 
>feed these 18 snakes.  You know, those furry little creatures that 
>run along the baseboards and chew holes in things?  Often referred 
>to as VERMIN!  I bet you neglected to mention THAT aspect of herp 
>keeping.  Given the fact that you own 18 snakes, I would imagine
>that you breed your own rodents.  To buy enough for a group that 
>large would be prohibitive- as pet store mice are almost 2 bucks 
>here and the young rats are almost 5!
>
>        Just call them hamsters or gerbils, you'll be ok......sq
>

Actually, I wasn't asked what they eat, so I didn't volunteer the info! 
But, I don't breed feeders for my animals.  I'm a member of my local herp
society which contains a number of breeders who sell me feeder
mice/rats/rabbits for about what it would cost me to raise 'em myself. 
Hopefully when Imove to a larger place, I will start doing my own breeding
though.

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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Killing Food!!!
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:20:09 GMT

>Grab it by the tail or hinder legs. Say "Sorry, Mr. {Rat|Gerbil|Mouse|GuineaPig|whathaveyou}"
>and swing it hard so that the neck hits a table edge or the head meets a hard
>surface.  Works instantly most every time.
>
>Let me just add that I really don't enjoy killing food.  It's my least favorite
>task.  But Rit still has to get done.


	I hate this task to and am thankfull that I have not had to do it yet.
You can though buy the iteam from a pet storre let say. Have them put it in one
of those plastic bags. Throw the bugger in the back seat and when you come
home, the bugger will be long gone and you did not do all that much.

                                               
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

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