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From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Marc Barrett is dead
Date: 15 Aug 1992 03:18:29 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:

|>In article <9520@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
|>> 
|>> Now it's evident and all facts point me to the conclusion:
|>> Marc Barrett is dead!

|>Only brain dead, I'm afraid...  ;-)

You mean kill files don't really kill people?

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From: eeh@public.BTR.COM (Eduardo E. Horvath  eeh@btr.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: yet more on the AA chipset...
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:43:08 GMT
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daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
 
: There are plenty of things that can improve Amiga chip bus speed.  We have more
: than enough architectural ideas floating around to take care of most of the
: problems, eventually.  But obviously, any drastic changes take a long time and
: risk low-level compatibility, so they have to be done very carefully.

I'm quite happy to hear this, but it would be nice if you would release these
sort of things in a more timely manner.  It's verry frustrating when your
machine always seems to be playing catch-up to your friends'.

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From: wells@castor.cs.uga.edu (MIKE WELLS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: C=: offer A500 motherboard upgrades!
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:03:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug16.190328.11659
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Originator: wells@gaia

Suggestion to Commodore reguarding the next generation of Amigas:
Please offer motherboard upgrades for the 500!
Why? I own a 500, I don't have enough moolah, but I want to be able to upgrade
when the need arises (now!).
I already have a nice case, keyboard, power supply, mouse, disk-drive,
and possibly a few salvagable chips. Yep, I want to stick C='s new 32 bit AA
chipset machine into my 500's shell! And I bet thousands of other 500 owners
out there want to be able to do the same!
						Mike Wells
						Wells@castor.cs.uga.edu
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:16:23 GMT
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Aug17.151713.15575@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
> 
> *I* am quick to assume the worst without checking further?!  Me?!  I'm not
> the one who posts stuff like, "ISA bus with a 50MHz CPU?  That must really
> suck!"

Well, but you are always the one stating that the very PC features are "much
better" than the corresponding Amiga features. And when someone posts his
real-life experiences with PCs, you call him a liar.

Jerry, I try to stay polite, but that's not at all easy in your case.
Once you stated that you only are here to correct false statements about
PCs. If this were true, ok. BUT it is not true. Every statement about
some PC feature you mix with some tendencious (sp?) comparisons to 
Amigas, where everyone knows before what will turn out "better".
You seem to have an attitude that *everything* in the PC world is far
better than on Amigas. IT IS NOT. Both platforms have their merits,
both have superior features/applications in one area or the other.
If you could change your tone to a more balanced one, then you would
probably be much less annoying and perhaps even gain some better
reputation. In the moment you have a very bad one, do you know this at all?

And please don't think I'm an "Amiga only" fanatic. In fact, I'm rather
neutral. I *have* to be, because the company I work for sells a considerable
amount of such machines! So I know them also and use them daily. But from
this daily experience with both worlds I can only draw one conclusion:
Amigas are much more fun to use! And for the things I have to do, I do
letter writing on the PC, but everything else I do on the Amiga.

> Did I say that OS/2 is in a class above AmigaDOS?  

Yes, sure, every second sentence from you implies that.

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:38:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Aug16.153829.27383
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:

>	I, for one, hope that the FALCON turns out to be as good as the rumors
>or better, and for the posted price.  Maybe this will convince Commodore that
>their current prices are not very competetive in the PC market.  (Yeah
>I know it's harder for them to be competetive, less installed base, yet the
>non-competetive price also leads to less potential users, a catch-22)

I agree.  Most important, I hope/dream/whatnot such beastie could
gain some market share from Apple.  Despite what people said, I doubt
any personal computer can compete with IBM clones nowadays.  Yet, Atari and
Amiga might be able to do Apple some damage (hopefully).

No offense to Apple fanatics.  High-end Macs are nice computers, but I
think Amiga deserves more than just being a "niche" machine

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re:  DIR
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:49:21 GMT

>
>What I find interesting is that Intel used a different pinout for the
>486DX2-66.  You can't just drop it into a 486DX-33 machine.  They say
>that they will be shipping a version next year that will be pin compatible
>with the 486DX, and which will be a drop in replacement.
>
>This gives clone manufactures a year to sell 486DX2-66 machines, before
>they have to compete with a drop-in replacement chip.
>
>--
>Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
>
>		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Well it really doesn't matter to me since I don't plan to buy the 66DX2, but
the prices for the 486-66DX2 with motherboard new $788.00.  I guess if people
really need that power, they can probably sell their current 486-33DX(assuming)
motherboard and cpu for $400.00 and pay the difference of $388.00 which is
not all that much for a cpu upgrade (I hope I can get some specs for the 66DX2)
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:    Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:56:51 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Aug16.165416.25931@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>In article <root.02ab@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>In article <9517@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>
>>The Chinese market for computers is mainly in education and the government.
>>There might be a good market for the A3000 running UNIX.  The 68030 can be
>>exported from the US to China, but the 68040 is too powerful.
>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Can you explain what you mean and what it has to do with exporting to China?
>Does it mean that 040s are just to HEAVY since they are more powerful than
>the 030?....Just kidding.


To be blunt, in Department of Defense speak, the 68040 is a much better
processor for guiding missiles than the 68030.  

Actually, systems that will be exported to certain "volatile" countries
are reviewed by the DOD on a case by case basis.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:00:43 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug20.040919.24292@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>Also,are you sure that the 6502 was never in the C64??  Maybe in older models
>or something?

	I'm pretty sure it wasn't.  Though I think a 6502 WAS used in the
Vic-20 and maybe even in the 1541 disk drive, but don't quote me on either
of these :)
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:30:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.022500.10582@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>You want to be told the plans for anything that is done for the next
>several years?  That doesn't go against Apple's credo:  They always
>announce things a good time before shipping.  However, C= has always
>been different, they only announce when it's ready to ship.  Why would
>they break their own stride like that?

   It is not a matter of preannouncing anything.  It is simply a matter of
showing that a company has long-term plans for a product, and what those plans
are.  For all I know, Commodore has already decided to kill AmigaVision, and
has been attempting to do so as quietly as possible, so that nobody catches
on to what they are doing.  If Commodore were to say "Yes, AmigaVision is still
very much alive, and were are in the middle of a rewrite.  Here are some
features we will try to put in:  ...", then this would show me that I am not
correct in my assumption that AmigaVision is already dead.  This is the policy
that Commodore had toward AmigaOS 2.0, way back when it was still being called
1.4, and it did not violate Commodore's no-preannouncing policies in any way.
Indeed, I think Commodore has not been showing any of their long-term plans for
many of their product because they do not have any long-term plans for the
products.

>(: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :) :)
>(:	  "Flesh-pressing:  It's not just for politics anymore."         :)
>(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
>(: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:05:57 PST
 <1992Aug13.143604.29158@ctr.columbia.edu> <9531@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> 
 <mykes.0cjc@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> <4777@balrog.ctron.com> <1992Aug19.201834.26175@uni-paderborn.de>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Aug19.201834.26175@uni-paderborn.de> by laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt):

> Have you thought about it a little bit why a guy like Mike, one of
> the biggest Amiga fanatics on this channel, has changed his opinion ?

    Yeah, it's because he's lost his grip.

    :)

    Seriously, I think people get carried away. So what if he now
    uses a PC as well as or instead of an Amiga. CBM has already
    made money out of him, and the Amiga is still a superior platform
    for many things.

>  *Commo shouldn't sell what they think the customer need. *
>  *They should sell what the customer thinks he wants!     *

    What they SHOULD do is MAKE the customer think they want
    something.

> Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Dream On)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: ** NEW AMIGAS **
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:52:36 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

[I heard these rumours on the net - read at own peril]

A600	68000+ECS+KS3.0		$199 US
A800	68020+AA+KS3.0		$399 US
A1000jr	68020+AA+KS3.0+HD	$650 US
A3400	68030+AA+KS3.0+HD	???? US

Any ideas on the correctness of this information?
Obviously from the leaked specs on AA, its not that great!  But at these
prices who would complain!
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From: ahansfor@starbird.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: 020 vs 030
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:59:14 GMT


Why should C= put an 030 into baseline machines?  I agree that upper
end and even middle end machines should have them (in case you want to
run Unix or Enforcer, or Mungwall.)

First, assume that on a base line machine you do not need an MMU.  Am
I right in assuming that the current OS does not use it.  (the three
things I mentioned above do right?)  An MMU is also handy for
remapping the OS to 32 bit RAM.   Other that that???  Hey if an OS
upgrade that uses the MMU is close (6 months) then go 030.

If we don't use an MMU then how about the EC030. Where does the 030
and EC030 give you an advantage over an 020 in speed if you don't use
and MMU. 

1. data cache (256 bytes)
2. burst mode 
3. synchronous termination (shorter memory access cycles on 32-bit accesses)
        (correct me if I'm wrong on this one)

Also the EC030 and 030 are available up to 50MHz as opposed to 33MHz.
In addition, a system designed for an EC030 and a regular 030 could be
almost the same.  So a machine with no mmu could be cheaper than a
machine with mmu but the system busses could be virtually the same.
(If the CPU were socketed you could even have something were you
ploped in a 030 for an EC030.)

Prices.  These were quotes from Motorola that I got today.
Unfortunately these are small quantity quotes (hundreds of units) but
the salesperson said the price should scale.

020   $55
EC030 $60
030   $145
EC040 $165

I hope that C= would go with at least an EC030 given this information.
Question to those who know, is there a reason to take the 020 over an
EC030.
 
-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Talk about obsoletes.....
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:19:13 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Rick Kelly said he was thinking about a Sun-3 [used by definition. Sun
dropped its 68xxx support, not just the manufacture of machines based on
them, a while ago....].  Is anyone is in the business of keeping up with OS
upgrades for them?   Sun isn't.......


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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:16:49 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <w92mcj#.cyclone@netcom.com> cyclone@netcom.com (Bill Sheppard) writes:
>es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>
>>	Just as CD-I failed, so will CDTV I believe unless the
>>A500 adapter comes out.
>
>>	-- Ethan
>
>What kind of idiotic statement is this?!?  CD-I sales continue (Photo-CD will
>give them more steam), software development continues in _major_ fashion, and
>several new players will soon be introduced.  Have you seen CD-I World, a    
>monthly magazine with a quarterly magazine-on-a-CD-I-disk?  CD-I's
>introduction has been expected to take three or more years; to declare it a
>failure after less than ten months (especially considering the number of
>retailers carrying the product and the not-insignificant sales-to-date) is
>simply ludicrous.

	My apologies. In retrospect, what I was thinking about
and what I wrote didn't have too much in common. I was really
thinking about what happened to CD-I this last Christmas, and
admittedly still today.

	I didn't mean to imply that CD-I will never get anywhere.
My point was just that CDTV won't do better than CD-I has done so
far, IMNSHO, without the A500/600/etc. models in order to give it
that push it seems to need.
	-- Ethan


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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: OS/2
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:01:31 GMT

>> Most Amiga users are totally ignorant of IBM's OS2 2.0.
>
>I'm certainly not ignorant of it.  I messed with it on both a 386 and 486
>platform.  I own an A2000 w/ 68030 28mhz accelerator.
>
>After messing with OS/2, coming back to the Amiga was like going back home
>to a sweet, wonderful, efficient, and cozy wife. :)

	I did not have the sweet, wonderful time with AmigaDos that you did.
   OS2 on my PC has been a much more enjoyable experience.

						G.Greene

>
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Crime & Death Penalty Re: Perot ? (the thread that won't die)
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:41:17 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <mykes.0cyt@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.142918.29322@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> robert@geoblue.gcn.uoknor.edu (Robert Lindsay) writes:
>> [ McLaughlin group style rantings deleted ]
>>
>> Ladies and Gentelmen, witness the thread that would die!
>> Thrill to the spectical of hip and trendy neoconservatives pointlessly
>> bickering with hip and trendy neoliberals!!
>> Be amazed at the the fact you wish this was '486 vs. '040 flamefest!!!
>> Makes you long for a post from Jeff Young doesn't it?
>>
>> LET IT JUST DIE!!
>>
>
>Would you prefer gas, electrocution, or lethal injection?

Naw, I'm for a good ol' hanging!

>> thank you.


You are so so welcome!

>Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
>Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024


-- 
Dan Stephenson das9674@usl.edu 
"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A (sad) story about stocks, Norwegian banks and C=
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:19:56 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Aug20.152856.5769@sagpd1> monty@sagpd1 () writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.231020.1664@news.uit.no> borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:
> >stocks, and he looked them up, told me that they were $9 3/8; approximately
> >600,- NOK. Then he proceeded to ask if I really wanted to do this. Why, I
> >P.S.
>
>
> >I seem to remember somebody watching C= stocks closely. Couldn't you please
> >start posting (weekly) about how C= is doing? Thanks.
> >--
>
>
> 	Consider yourself lucky you did not buy at 9 3/8, Yesterdays close
>     was 6 7/8, down 2 1/4. Seems C= losses were rather high for the last
>     quarter ( something like $0.66 per share ).
>
> 	I wish I had $700 dollars to buy another block though, I don't think it
>     will stay this low for long if (hopefully) C= announces the new line soon.
>
>
>     Monty Saine
>
>     Just my opinion of course....

Remember my prediction of $2/share in february!

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Crime (Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.190424.24074@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:
>: You're really bent on killing people aren't you?  

We kill vermin all the time.

>Wow.  I can't believe you said that.  My jaw hit the floor.
>
>Nice job.  :)

It is one thing for you bleeding hearts to be dogmatic in your belief, but
to simply make silly pigeon-holing statements really undermines your 
conviction's positions in other people's eyes.

>Greg
>(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
--
Dan Stephenson das9674@usl.edu 
"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7                           
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:28:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
>
>I know that UNIX was designed to be a single user system, but it isn't is it?
>I don't have to read the history books, I was referring to UNIX as it is today.
>It is commonly used TODAY as a multiuser, multitasking system.
>

You used the words "was originally designed for".  Pardon me if I take this
to mean "was originally designed for" instead of "is being used today for".

>
>I still don't think that OS/2 has    
>anywhere near the functionality of UNIX.  My reason for saying this is that
>I have yet to see OS/2 multitask as effectively as UNIX or even AmigaDos.
>

What the hell does this mean?  What does OS/2 have to do to multitask as
effectively as UNIX or AmigaDOS?  Do you know what you're talking about at
all?

>
>Have you ever even looked at all the ads for software for the Amiga?? Have you 
>ever even seen a list of the Public Domain software for the Amiga?  Sure, the
>packages aren't made by Microsoft or some other snot-nosed-too-good-for-anyone
>company, but talent isn't restricted to those companies people 
>to be any good.
>software doesn't have to come from the bowels of Steve Gate's (or whoever the
>

Are you done whining now?

>
>Gregory John Casamento  --  gcasa@wam.umd.edu
>
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