HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re:  Age to be left alone (was: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:34:56 GMT
Summary: age, depends on maturity


I would think age guidelines would be difficult, because it depends on
the maturity of the child.  For example, I have two 11-yr old nephews
(from different siblings of course).  One is *TONS* more mature and
responsible than the other.  This one can be left alone, come home after
school and even start dinner (with instructions, do salad, set table,
whatever) and do whatever chores until a parent gets home.  He is
very mature and responsible and level-headed, knows what to do, knows
phone numbers to call for whatever reason, etc. etc.  The other 11
yr old, forget it!  His folks won't even leave him alone for 10 
minutes!  He's not bad, in fact, he's an angel, but it's just that
his is very immature for his age (a real baby for his age I hate to
say).  It's amazing how different they are, and both are 11 yrs old.
So age guidelines I think are tough, since maturity/responsibility
must also be considered.  As always, every kid is different, so is
every situation, and so are every parents.   

Christine
aunt to many
soon-to-be mommy around 1/19 or so


Xref: sparky misc.kids:31796 sci.med:23570
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Ritalin
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:39:03 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <93003.114619X42125@BARILVM.BITNET> X42125@BARILVM.BITNET writes:

>the end of the pill - there are some
>cases of violence.  I have heard of
>other pills - Dexadrine, Cylert and
>Tofranil - can any of these be used
>to cut down random violent outbursts
>and be used insted of Ritalin?
>
Cylert may be worth a try.  I'd expect Dexadrine might be worse,
if anything.  I'm not sure Tofranil would control the ADD.

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From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:14:02 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1993Jan9.041019.11943@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>
>Not that I want to depress anyone with squirmy babies, but I still
>have a tough time getting diapers and other clothes on my 26-month-old. . .
>
>And when they're that big, they can jettison themselves from the
>changing table into a running landing, and they can run FAST
>(shreaking with wicked glee all the while)!!!

We gave up using the changing table whrn Alvin was 8 months old. (He
squirmed around, stood up, and throw diapers all over the
bath-room...) We put him in the bath-tub and cleaned him with the hand
shower, and put on his diaper (dispoisable) while he was standing.

I had two tricks to dress him:
1) If in a hurry: put kid in crib, and put on clothes there. It's not
that difficult to lean over the rail, and kid can't run very far.
2) If not in a hurry: Take clothes and a news-paper and sit down on
the floor. As kids think it's treir duty to disturb reading parents,
your kid will come and climb on you. Pull shirt over head. Kid
escapes. Keep on reading. Kid returns. Put arm into sleeve. And so on.
Only problem is overalls without elastic round kid's waist, as they
tend to fall of when kid runs away before you've had time to fasten
the suspenders.

(3) not tried by me, but I've read about it: Plase kid on a table or a
chest of drawers or something that is so high that kid fells afraid of
falling of, and thus sits still. Of cause you'll be careful and
prepared to catch kid, but you don't have to tell that).

If the spelling seems a bit original at places, that's cased by Vanda,
who is sitting in my lap making interesting noices. We are changing
her on the floor, which we find really great. You don't have to worry
about her falling of, and can leave her airing her behind for some
minutes before putting on the clean diaper. This kid _likes_ getting
clean diapers! I didn't think such children exixted.

 

-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Pattern Recognizers, Memory, etc.
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:20:03 GMT

In article <1id0pvINN6ih@mizar.usc.edu> biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb) writes:
>In article <2574.9301051904@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>
>
>(stuff deleted)... What really gets me is her
>>ability to find her pacifier absolutely
>>*anywhere* - under a pile of toys, behind
>>a pillow, etc. etc. - she just reaches in
>>and pulls it out - I know just what Nichael
>>means, because sometimes it borders on
>>creepy - like she's got "pacifier radar"!
>>
>
>Gosh, and here I thought Angelica (age 3) was the only one. Our house
>is pretty ... er, cluttered ... and her dad is constantly losing his 
>reading glasses and cigarettes ... but all he has to do is ask me if I've
>seen them and Angelica will trot off and bring them back to him!  She also
>remembers things that amaze us from months or even a year ago. 
>
>Susan
>
>
>

  Same here.  Ask Tony for "mommy's keys" or "daddy's keys",
  and he'll run off and get them.  He also has radar on things
  that we forgot to put away.  It's like through all the clutter he
  noticed the scissors we left within his reach and runs over to
  grab it.  He also knows where the TV changer is, and of course he
  keeps tabs on all his zillions of pacifiers.  How many are on the
  table, how many are in the crib, how many are in his diaper bag,
  the trunk of his little car, under the couch (mommy please wash).
  In case you haven't noticed, my m-i-l likes to buy him a pacifier
  every week.  He has plain ones, colored ones, little ones, big ones.
  From now on, instead of throwing them out when they get old, I'm
  going to keep them in a box and use them to decorate Christmas
  trees with someday to show him how many he had!  That ought to
  solve the "ornament grabbing" problem!  :-)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: That high-pitched killer shrill
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:22:33 GMT

In article <2935882800.1.wk00191@worldlink.com> "Edward Kovelan" <wk00191@worldlink.com> writes:
>I have a 20-month-old daughter who insists on vocalizing her anger with 
>a sharp, eardrum piercing shrill.  Usually such an outburst is brought 
>on by her 4-year-old brother doing something she doesn't like (which can 
>be something like him snatching a toy that belongs to him away from her 
>or when he takes something of her away or other sibling torments) and 
>sometimes is brought on when I or her daddy tell her no.  I realize she 
>is approaching her "terrible twos" and maybe starting them early, but 
>how do I get her out of that ear-shattering habit.  Is it something I 
>should discipline her about (I do not believe in using physical 
>punishment) or is it just a phase which I and everyone else has to grin 
>and bear???  
>
>By the way, my four-year-old boy is from a previous marriage and has to 
>go on visits to his father's.  He has expressed jealousy towards his 
>sister because she gets to stay home with me all the time while he has 
>to go visit his father.  I have just recently started him in child 
>therapy to understand why his visits with his father are so unpleasant 
>and why he resents his sister so.  So, I am not looking for 
>psychological explainations as to why my son torments his sister...Those 
>questions will be answered by him and his therapist.
>
>However, I do not like listening to that shrill every time my daughter 
>gets angry...but since I've never encountered this type of outburst, I 
>don't know if it can be stopped by her parents or if it's something she 
>just has to grow out of eventually when she can better verbalize herself.
>
>Thank you for any help or advice you can offer. 

Your daughter is expressing her feelings. This is good. Telling her
not to do this is like saying "I don't want to listen to your problems"
Justine did this at about 20 months. I think she was just trying it out.
She has stopped but she also doesn't have an older brother grabbing
stuff from her (just me).

Encourage your son to express his jealousy with you. Help him express
it.

ie. "you feel mad when your sister gets to stay home with me"
(advice from the book "Sibling Rivalry")

Good Luck
Mike N.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Childproofing (NOT!)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:53:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:

>In case you missed it....that means he can now (at 15 months on tippy toes)
>open a closed door and close it behind him.  Aren't we talented.
>Just think of the fun we're going to have now!!!

In case anyone is unaware of them, you can get doorknob covers which make it
hard for a one-year-old to open most doors.  They don't impede as well if
the doorknob is not smooth.  They don't impede adults much.  I think Toys R Us
has them.
-- 
Every child shall be treated with complete respect.

Glen Ecklund     glen@cs.wisc.edu   (608) 262-1318 Office, 262-1204 Dept. Sec'y
Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St., Room 3355
University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.atheism
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Followup-To: misc.kids,alt.atheism
	<markg.78.725733783@county.lmt.mn.org>
	<1993Jan4.201242.10422@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <house.726207961@helios>
	<1993Jan05.155835.58280@watson.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:38:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.155835.58280@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
> Sorry, but in America, or at least in Connecticut, the custom is 
> to do [ear-piercing] to young children, especially young girls.

	Not in the Midwest.  Maybe Connecticut accidentally absorbed a
little weirdness from New York City.

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.,  Plano TX                       +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
                                       The more you know, the less you believe.
From: singer@almaden.ibm.com (David Singer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Request for Toilet training FAQ
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:15:27 GMT
Reply-To: singer@almaden.ibm.com (David Singer)
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center

I have a fairly recent copy; I've sent it out to 
 suresh@nls2.nlm.nih.gov, 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil, and vandenboom@eadm.ncsu.edu,
and I'll be happy to fill other requests until Joanne returns.

--  
David Singer -- Internet: singer@almaden.ibm.com   BITNET: SINGER at ALMADEN
                Voice: (408) 927-2509              Fax: (408) 927-4073
(If I needed a disclaimer, I'd put one here.)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: scott@grok15.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Maria Scott)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Reply-To: Maria.Scott@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 19:51:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu> writes:
>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children too young to understand reasoning.  My son and daughter are 17
>months old and they are starting to get into behaviors I'm not sure how
>to handle.  
>
[ lights problem deleted ]

>Another problem has been feeding time.  They've gotten into very
>purposefully throwing their food on the floor.  We say "no!" loud, louder
>and even louder, and they smile cunningly and drop the food slowly onto
>the floor.  


I have twin 15 month-old boys who also love to throw food from their
high chairs.

My pediatrician tells me that at 15 months you can start putting them in
time-out in their room (ie close the door and leave them in their room
for a few minutes - provided it is properly child-proofed).

I've tried this a couple of times with each child (after several warnings
and threats of time-out).  One of them gets extremely upset and is rather
"clingy" after time-out is over.  The other simmers a little while then
calms down, and we usually get along much better afterwards.

I guess each child is different.  You have to determine the strength of your
child's will, and come up with a method of discipline that best suits both of
you.

-- 
Thanks,

Maria.Scott@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phcalama@dial.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Calamai)
Subject: diaper FAQ
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:37:47 GMT

Hi.  Could someone give me an alternate email address for
Sangita Kejrival - keeper of the diaper FAQ.  The address
I was given
	Sangita,Kejriwal@Donal.WichitaKs.NCR.COM
bounces.

Thanks
Paul

-- 
Professor Paul H. Calamai		email: phcalamai@dial.uwaterloo.ca
Dept. of Systems Design Engineering	phone: (519)885-1211 ext. 3182
University of Waterloo			fax  : (519)746-4791
Waterloo, Ont. CANADA N2L 3G1		telex: 069-55259
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:24:51 GMT

In article <JGJ.93Jan5095143@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>
jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
 
>
>
>Here's a question (to tie things back into misc.kids sort of): did
>*anyone* out there ever have a civics class as a kid that actually
>taught the bill of rights?  Did anyone out there ever even read the
>constitution as part of a class?  I know I never had such a class.
>I've always thought that one of the conditions for graduating from one
>grade to another should be to recite the whole constitution with
>amendments from memory.
 
We studied the constitution, etc in history/social studies in several
grades.  Where did you go to school?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@kokab.la.locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:01:51 GMT

My news is back for a while.  Yeah!

Re: wiggling infants on the diaper table

This worked for my husband so well that I adopted it as well.  It seemed mean
at the time, but so is taking away a toy after you've asked a child to pick
it up five times.   I think it qualifies as a consequence.

Lean over the child so that your stomach is holding the child's legs down
and it can't kick you.  Then hold one hand in each of your hand and hold the
child still.  Explain quietly that she must lie still while you change her
diaper.  When she stops fussing and fighting to move, let go and begin the
diaper change again.  Each time she wiggles unacceptably (for me that is
rolling over or kicking me in the face), repeat the procedure.  In a couple
of changes the child will understand that she can lie still and have the diaper
changed, or be held down until she lies still and has the diaper changed.

While changing wet diapers on a wiggly baby isn't so bad, there are times
when you really NEED the child to be still while you clean up.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Early Puberty (summary)
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:28:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161018.8833@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth) writes:
 
>In article <1993Jan5.235845.16340@leland.Stanford.EDU>, Carol F. Topp <ctopp@cup.portal.com> writes:
>> In one of the summaryies, it was said:
>> >
>> >Give your daughter a calendar and talk to her about how to
>> >keep track.
>> >***********************************************
>>
>> deleted other funny stories
>>
There were three sisters and my mom in my family.
My father says he doesn't know which was worse - when we were all on the
same schedule or when there were four different schedules.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Family safety (Was Re: How to protect your family from the
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:24:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <C0Hvsq.1M6z@austin.ibm.com> Craig Becker writes:
>
>
>snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31) writes:
>
>> Issue #1 family safety:
>> Suppose you were driving alone on a poorly lit street, no other cars and
>> suddenly an unmarked car pulls up behind you and flashes a red light.
>> Do you pull over just cause of a red light?  Do you keep driving at or
>> below the speed limit to a crowded and well lit place first?
>
>Not sure what the cop would think, but I'd go for the 2nd option (stopping
>in a crowded/well-lit place).
>
>Anyone know what the "legal" take on this is?
>
>Craig
 
I would also take the second option, but in addition, I would turn
on my turn signal or hazards to show that I was not trying to ignore
the cop (assuming it was a cop).  I am unsure of the legality of
doing this but we have a peace officer in the family so I'll ask
about it.
 
TAMARA
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:48:31 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

>> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>>I have two little nieces (2 1/2 and 1 year old).  My sister-in-law never gives
>>them water.  She never has from the time they were born.  My daughter has a
>>friend that just had a baby and she never gives her baby water.  It seems
>>that most people we talk to don't give water.  
>

Normally, I wouldnt give a young infant water. But there are things that happen
that require more liquids, and it didnt make sense to me to breast feed more
at these times. The need for more liquid was there, but not more nutrition.
These times were when at 2.5 months old Jeffrey caught a cold, and then when
he was about 3.5 months old we had a record breaking heat wave (110F!!!). Both
times I did see a decrease in the amount of wet diapers, which is what 
initiated the water. He wouldnt drink much at a time, but for a small baby
an ounce or two a couple times a day can make a difference.

By the time Jeffrey was 6 months, I was regularly encouraging water. It was
a hot summer that year. I was hoping to give him a taste for water over juice.
It didnt work, so I put about 1/4 juice in the bottle/cup. He still prefers
milk or diluted juice over water, but loves to drink water out of a fountain.
He is 2.8 years old.

There are people out there who dont drink water. Ever! In many cased it is a
cultural thing. I had a friend who said he didnt try water until he went away
to college. As he was growing up (poor, semi-rural community) everyone drank
over diluted kool-aid, or Coke if they could afford it.
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:01:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Sleep Question (Please no Ferber)
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I didn't realize that I was not PC by going to my kids if they wake up!
I don't believe in "let them cry" for my kids, although I don't 
criticize those who have a different philosophy.  I personally cannot
sleep when my children are awake, so I might as well be comforting them.
However, I do not want to instill bad habits, such as expecting that
I will stay all night in the room, or whatever.  So my approach has 
been to go into the room when my kids are crying and comfort them; as
soon as they quiet down, I tell them "good night, get some rest".  I
will not leave the room if my child has not quieted down, but once quiet,
I leave immediately.  I don't wait until my child has fallen back asleep,
because I don't want her to require my presence to fall asleep.  If my 
child starts howling again (even as I am leaving the room), I will not 
go back in for a "long time" (usually this was for about 20 minutes 
when they were young).  My philosophy is that if they are scared or 
whatever, then I will be there to help them.  But after I've been in 
one time, I've shown that I'm around and that they haven't been abandoned, 
and I would hope that they would give me a break and let me get some 
sleep too (ie. mom's right to a comfortable night is important too).  
When my kids were babies, they would wake up sometimes at night and 
I would go in to them, and on a few occasions they would wake up 
multiple times.  But generally, they did not pick
up bad habits because I went it to them; it usually was a phase that
they would be waking up for a week at a time and then they'd go for
several months without waking up at all.  My kids are 3 and almost
5 and very seldom wake up during the night.

Your mileage may vary,
Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper question.
Keywords: Huggies, Ultratrim
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:41:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1ia7dgINNagr
Distribution: usa
Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobs.cs.orst.edu

prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott) writes:

>Folks:
>	Has anybody experimented with the Ultratrim variety of Huggies
>or any other brand of diapers?  They are much more compact than the
>regular diapers, but I am wondering if that is at the expense of their
>absorbence.  Has any body tried it out?  Thanks,

>Prabhu

I am very pleased with Huggies Ultra Trim. We have been using them for
quite a while. The big plus is that they don't take up a lot of space
when you are going out. They absorb just as well as any other diaper
that we have used. There are a couple of occassions that it leaked and
that was at night. I'd say though that a couple of times out of hundreds 
times used is pretty good.

-Laura (Mommy to 8 month old Elizabeth) Utt
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: gifts for baby shower
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:09:30 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <3892ra+@rpi.edu>, nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson) writes:
> God's gift to parents of small children is rechargeable hand vacuum
> cleaners.  We have a Craftsman Wet/Dry unit which works well enough


Amen!  On the topic of "equipment" that are godsends (these are not necessarily
shower gifts but...) I would add:

Cordless Phone
Microwave
VCR

We don't believe in answering machines :) but many people swear by them. 
Before anyone asks, I turn off the phone bell!  If it is important, they'll call
back.

                                                 
Ann Helmers

PS  Although I said they aren't shower gifts, they could make nice office or
family gifts if several people chip in.  I find this especially true for folks
expecting their second (or subsequent) child; they probably already have a lot
of equipment, toys, clothes, etc. and maybe not as much disposable income as
they did before baby #1 :)