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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi propaganda on this net
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:03:23 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <2881@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <4490@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
>>Warren is using this Jewish net in order to distribute a Nazi
>>propaganda! We should oppose such a propaganda no metter who is the
>>distributer.
>
>I'm afraid that I don't have time to get angry since I have to get
>ready for Shabbat, but if you keep trying I'm sure you'll be able to
>get a flame out of me next week.

Warren has no time to get anger, but he has enough time to compose an
Anti Semite slogan that may set some moral people ,Jews and non Jews,
unhappy.

>P.S. Does the Prime Minister under whose rule a tzav pinui for Sinai
>was issued also get called this very nice name?

Begin declared on his way to camp David that he will returned
immideately if the Egyptians will demand up rooting any Jewish cite,
he was weak and couldn't stand the American presure.
 But setting expelling Jews as a goal is a Nazi idea. Warren slogan
does set it as a goal! despite the word "ADIF" ( It is better ).
The Judenradt ( The Jewish police  set be the Nazis ) did prefered
expelling Jews over resisting the Nazis  - I'll not call them Nazis
since they , bad as they were , did it under preasure . But one who
had declared on 1932 " It is better to expel Jews than to resist Nazis "
was definitely a Nazi.

Think about the slogan:

 "IT IS BETTER TO KICK JEWS OUT OF ALABAMA THAN TO RESIST KKK"

>--
>/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
> |__/__/_/
> |warren@         "WARRENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
>/ nysernet.org                             Gideon Ehrlich

"Opposing any comperison to the Nazi's idea - means objecting getting
 the  lesson out of that " - M.Y. Self
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vatican Recognition of Israel - Who Needs
Date: 22 Nov 1992 03:46:31 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.23.70

In article 20NOV199213390078@vms.huji.ac.il, rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:
>This is an honest appeal for help.  Could someone explain to
>me the reasons for the heat of Israel pursuit of Vatican 
>recognition?  

Beats me.  Maybe Israel hasn't realised that the Vatican can't command
crusades any more :-)?  

In my 25 years as a Catholic I don't remember hearing this matter even
mentioned.  I would be surprised if 10% of Catholics even know whether
or not the Vatican recognises Israel, and if 10% of those that know
much care about it.  One thing is certain:  very very few Catholics
are waiting on the Vatican's word before forming their own opinions
about Israel.

>>__Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il

Brendan.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Conservative vs. Orthodox Halacha (was Conversion Question)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:48:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.184510.27181@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <13Nov92.024305.14433@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu
>(Ronald Cohen) writes:
>what the Orthodox believe?)
>
>>Ideally all would follow the halacha.  I would hold that women
>>should still be allowed exemption from time-related commandments,
>>but take it on themselves to do the most possible.
>
>For this, one must understand the concept of differences in inherent
>levels of oblitgation.  This is one Halacha that the Conservative
>Movement implicitely (if not explicitely) rejects. 

The teshuva written by Rabbi Joel Roth acknowledges the differing
levels of obligation of men and women, and finds it al pi halacha
for a woman to decide to take upon herself an obligation.

As an aside, no one argues when men take upon themselves an
obligation. For example, the big talit discussion going on right now
should note that wearing a talit is an obligation that those wearers
voluntarily take upon themselves.  They go out and make or buy a
talit just to take upon themselves this obligation.   In another
mail.list, I believe Rabbi Frimer points out that women may also
take upon themselves this obligation.

  It cuts across
>more than just the issue of women; I believe Stan, for example, pointed
>out that the Conservative Movement is moving towards the elimination of
>the role of the kohanim, another group in the Jewish people that
>effectively has a different level of obligation of mitzvot.

As I understand the new responsa dealing with Kohanim, their basis
is the uncertainty that anyone really knows who is a Kohen.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Pierced Ears
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:12:06
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au's message of 16 Nov 92 21:40:45 GMT

On 16 Nov 92 21:40:45 GMT, isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin) said:

> I think it is time we got some more modern `Responsa' from the Reform.
> Rav Feinstein specifically ruled on plastic/elective surgery, and so there
> is no need to extrapolate from older Orthodox Responsa.

There may be more modern Reform responsa; I may just not have it. I'm not a
Rabbi, the volumes I have are out of personal interest. My later volume, which
goes up to 1987, has no additional responsa on the issue. You might inquire of
the CCAR.

Daniel
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		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
From: leonid@spss.com (Leonid Feygin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: American Antisemitism
Keywords: antisemitism
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:15:01 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:
>>One disheartening thing:  In general, African-Americans are far more 
>>likely to be antisemitic than whites.
>>-Martin

>And..the proportion with anti-Semitic attitudes is greater among
>the young.  Additionally, while there's an inverse relation between
>anti-Semitism and education among whites, the relation is the other
>way around among blacks.
>Norman Miller

It comes to no surprise if you look at what has been going on for quite
a while at the campuses of many American universities.  Take, for example
abundance of openly anti-semitic materials in black-run college newspapers
and magazines, or numerous virulently anti-semitic speeches of invited
"guest speakers" representing various black groups.

Statements like
   "America is controlled by rich Jews"
   "Jews are enemies of humanities"
   "Jews oppress minorities"
   "Jews preside over the financial system of destruction of
    black people"
   "Jews were slave traders"
   "Jewish doctors infect black babies with the AIDS virus"
are met with full appreciation and sometimes with standing ovation by
black student audiences.

Notorious publications like the well-known forgery "Protocols of the 
Elders of Zion" or no less known Hitler's "Mein Kampf" unexpectedly find 
new and avid dark-skinned readers.

And only 37% strongly anti-semitic blacks after all this brainwashing?
Or is it only the beginning?
--
Leonid Feygin     SPSS, Inc.     leonid@spss.com     (312) 329-3639
From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:31:26 EST

ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il writes:

> In article <1992Nov13.142634.28904@leland.Stanford.EDU>
> nasser@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hima Vatti) writes:
> 
> 
> I'll leave out the disgusting part. Does anyone else thik that this may be on
> of the best recent reasons  for going to a moderated group??
> 
> 

No.. Just hit the "n" key or put the topic in the kill file.

olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring)
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany, Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:52:36 GMT

In article <9211142004.AA09989@host0.COLBY.EDU>, jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))
writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.142634.28904@leland.Stanford.EDU> nasser@leland.Stanford.ED
> U (Hima Vatti) writes:
> >Can someone tell me if oral sex is against
> >judaism?  My girlfriend is jewish, and she
> >won't give me a blowjob.  Also, she won't
> >let me eat her cunt.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >p.s. We fuck, so that's not the problem.
> 
> Perhaps the poster of this question would be well-advised to discuss this problem
> with HIS GIRLFRIEND, and ask HER why she won't do it.  could be it simply 
> grosses her out.  Obviously you have (far) fewer inhibitions than most people
> I know; maybe she has a few more.  This is a topic that requires some *GASP!*
> sensitivity and communication. Preferably directed toward HER.
> 
> According to a strict view of Jewish morality, she shouldn't even be sleeping
> with you, anyway. :-P
> 
> JJ

According to not even too strict a view of Jewish morality *any*
Jewish person should not engage in any sexual contact with anybody
but their Jewish *spouse*.

Excuse me, but *anything* else, including Jewish men "practising"
on shickse women and including sex between two Jewish partners not
married to each other, violates Jewish morality.

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Institut fuer Informatik		and force it to drink,
Freie Universitaet Berlin, FRG		it isn't a horse.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Mathematical Proof of G-d?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:49:50 GMT

emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
> > friedenb@case-l5 (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:

> >>It can be proven that :    i(Pi)                          
> >>			  e	= -1      (Where Pi is 3.1415927....)
> 
> >Pi is 3.1415926....  Rounding off the "...", you get 3.1415927.
> 
> Pi is 3.1415926... not 3.1415926....
> Only then can you round the "..." instead of  the "...."

In English, we usually end sentences with a period (.), which appears
quite indistinguishable from a decimal point (.).  I believe Matthew
Wiener's above statements were properly punctuated.  It seems that
you're claiming that pi is even more "transcendental" than its class
implies, namely that pi != pi.

-Don Gertler
From: hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jonathan Pollard...
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:45:25 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov21.205836.26411@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bfoo_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Brian E. Foont) writes:
>of Riverdale, New York (Hebrew Institute of Riverdale) by comparing his
>sentence with that of Walker.  This is COMPLETELY WRONG.  Please let me 
>explain why.  When Walker took secrets from the United States and sold 
>them to the Soviet Union no specific American individuals were placed
>in danger.  (Secondly, and less importantly, most of the stuff that Walker
>gave the Soviets were codes and potential tactics and operational plans,
>both of which become outdated every so often.)  Pollard was different.
I thought that the Walkers (father and son) were convicted of having
traded US military secrets to the Soviet Union for over 30 years. That
would have included information pertaining to the Vietnam war.

Is it likely that Americans serving in Vietnam were not in any additional
danger if not that actual casualties occurred as a result of this intelligence
having gotten into the hands of the Soviet Union? Is it likely that the
Soviet military and intelligence leaders were stupid people who would
couldn't tell that they were buying useless ("outdated") information in
all that time?
-- 
Harlan B. Braude
hbb@karin.att.com
From: pcompton@hebb.uoregon.edu (Paul E. Compton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: First USYer in Congress
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:01:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: pcompton.pcompton-181192165930
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of Psych - U of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: pcompton.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Nov17.182228.17354@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
friedenb@emerald.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) wrote:
> 
> 
> The youth movement of C Judaism (USY) is proud to see its first 
> USYer elected to congress.  
> 

And the JP says that for the first time in history there will now be a
(broadly defined) minyan in the U.S. Senate.

 
Paul E. Compton
Brain Electrophysiology Laboratory | Internet:  pcompton@hebb.uoregon.edu
Deptartment of Psychology          | Bitnet:    pcompton@oregon
University of Oregon               | AppleLink: COGNEURO.UOR
Eugene, OR 97403-1227  U.S.A.      | Phone: 503.346.6300   FAX:
503.346.4911
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Why I think Kach's policies WASTE BANDWIDTH
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:57:31 GMT

emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:

> A racist will never admit to being one.  He/she will admit to 
> the existence of racists, but his/her policies will never
> be racist, by definition.

You are wrong.  Nowhere in the definition of racism is the
requirement that one believe one's own views to be non-racist.

> Let's just make sure these people never get their hands on real
> power or influence.

With this I would agree.

-Don Gertler
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Getting pregnant the first time
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:06:57 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov20.223225.22389@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <9211181347.AA15289@underprize.think.com> rlk@think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>>I certainly hope that no one takes THIS old chestnut seriously!
>>Whatever the source, there are plenty of recorded examples of getting
>>pregnant "the first time".
>
>Here's a good rationale:  A married woman must observe Nidda - that
>is, she may not have relations with her husband from the start of her
>period until a week after it ends.  This means that every month, her
>husband must wait until the perfect time for conception before they
>may have sex.  The first time, traditionally, was done in the Yichud
>room, right after the wedding.  This would be the only time where time
>of the month would not be a concern.  The odds of getting pregnant on
>this time would be lower than on the rest of times, when a man would
>be forbidden from touching his wife during the low-odds time of the
>month. 
>
Actually, time of the month is a concern. . .after the woman's hymen is
broken (while we're making assumptions right and left here, we'll make
this one too) she's niddah.  So I understand the wedding is often timed 
so that her period will begin very shortly after the wedding day, to
avoid the bride being niddah twice during the first month of her married
life (not the world's nicest way to start a marriage--with a month of
no sex!).

			. . .Alexandra

>-- 
>  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
> /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
>((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
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From: khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.215436.10666@guinness.idbsu.edu> holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) writes:
>
>I wouldn't phrase it this way; if the Orthodox do know what God

Would you kindly respect the Name of G-d and NOT write His Name like you
just did. I can't even read the your article after this. It reminds of
the way goyim write the name of ... on the walls of the toilet. 

>
>-- 
>The opinions expressed		|     --Sincerely,
>above are not the "official"	|     M. Randall Holmes
>opinions of any person		|     Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
>or institution.			|     holmes@opal.idbsu.edu

Thanks,
Dima
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
   khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio, USA)
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conservative vs. Orthodox Halacha (was Conversion Question)
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:45:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Nov16.184510.27181
Organization: AT&T

In article <13Nov92.024305.14433@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu
(Ronald Cohen) writes:

>Certainly wine used for idolatry is not a major problem these
>days.  Many Conservative Jews do make special efforts to buy and
>drink only kosher wine, and almost all would only use Kosher wine
>for kiddush.  But I again think if this is a major issue with one
>than there is something wrong with one's priorities.

Were this the only problem, I suspect even the Orthodox might someday
accept it.  However, it is not the only problem.  For details, cylOr (and,
yes, the "O" for "Orthodox" is intentional; how else would you find out
what the Orthodox believe?)

>binding regardless of whether women can davin or not.  The problem
>is this--if you let men read torah, etc. that are not observant in
>every way, how can you discriminate again women for this reason.
>Ideally all would follow the halacha.  I would hold that women
>should still be allowed exemption from time-related commandments,
>but take it on themselves to do the most possible.  Of course,

For this, one must understand the concept of differences in inherent
levels of oblitgation.  This is one Halacha that the Conservative
Movement implicitely (if not explicitely) rejects.   It cuts across
more than just the issue of women; I believe Stan, for example, pointed
out that the Conservative Movement is moving towards the elimination of
the role of the kohanim, another group in the Jewish people that
effectively has a different level of obligation of mitzvot.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ahorwitz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anita S Horwitz)
Subject: Where do I go from here?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:23:05 GMT

I need a strong Jewish community, but I want to teach in the inner-city school
system (high school home economics, with my emphasis on pregnant and parenting
teens) so I need a community that is going to accept my career choice and my
Jewish values.  I was brought up in a Conservative/Reconstructionist Synagogue
(yes, it is possible -- we changed rabbis when I was at Bat Mitzvah age), I
prefer an egalitarian service, and I need to be accessible to Kosher butchers,
etc.  I am thinking of Denver, CO or Chicago.   Any input would be appreciated
as to these communities.  Of course I have done my own research, but papers and
brochures aren't the same as hearing opinions from real people.

Others may benefit as to how to make the transition from student to adult in
Jewish life  (before your home synagogue bombards you with "welcome" letters
and asking for dues!)

Thank you,

Anita
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:09:44 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject:    Another Update on Balt./DC SCJ Gathering

The gathering of readers and their friends and families will, G-d willing,
take place on the afternoon of Dec. 20 at a kosher restaurant in suburban
Maryland.

To those of you who have sent requests for more info, directions or have
RSVP'ed: I will be out of town until November 29 due to a family emergency
and then the Thanksgiving holiday. I will answer all mail and acknowledge
rsvps shortly thereafter.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Date: Sunday, 22 November 1992 11:12:00 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.14
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: What _is_ the procedure for conversion to Judaism?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <FAIGIN.92Nov16125305@soldan.aero.org>, faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)  wrote:
# >>  It is sufficient for the prospective convert (ger) to declare, orally and
# >>  in writing, in the presence of a rabbi and no less than two lay leaders of
# >>  the congregation and community, acceptance of the Jewish faith and the
# >>  intention to live in accordance with its mitzvot.
# 
# > The way I read this paragraph is that it says "I promise to abide by the
# > mitzvot except for ....."
# 
# I don't see an "except for" in the statement. Perhaps a better interpretation
# would be "I promise to abide by the mitzvot as I have been taught". Where we
# differ is on what gets taught.

  An interesting interpretation.  Does that mean that if the rabbi
  forgets to mention a prohibition ( for instance, adultery) then the
  convert can go right ahead?

  This is rather significant; I was taught that one accepted that
  obligation of ALL the mitzvot, including the obligation to more
  for the remainder of one's life.  As in, "... now go and study
  the commentary!"

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From: rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: American Antisemitism
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:25:39 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


From the Associated Press, 11-17-92

One in five adult Americans hold strong prejudicial attitudes against Jews,
and anti-Semitism is most prevalent among blacks and the elderly according
to a survey released Monday.

The survey commissioned by the A.D.L.  of B'Nai B'Rith found hostility
toward Jews has declined during the past three decades, but has shifted from
ethnic stereotypes to a political basis.

"The good news is that fewer Americans today harbor anti-Semitic attitudes.
The bad news is that an ugly and more dangerous element -- political rather
than social -- has begun to take hold in the United States," said Abraham
Foxman, the ADL's national director.

Foxman told reporters he was especially disturbed that 31 percent of
Americans in the survey believe Jews have "too much power," and that 35
percent think Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the United States.

"It boggles the mind that in 1992, a significant segment of American society
has bought into the classical canards and stereotypes that allege Jewish
power." he said.

The survey of 1,400 people last May had a margin of error of 3 percentage
points.

Overall, 20 percent of American in the survey fell into the "most
anti-Semitic" category.  Thirty-seven percent of blacks were in the
category, compared with 17 percent of whites.



__Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
Jerusalem