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From:         "Sean F. Jepson" <SJEPSON@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      EMUSIC TAPE COMPILATION

Hi All,
Sounds like a good idea.  I would be willing to do the project if it would
follow the steps below:
1) A tape with a contribution song would be sent to me along with Information
  on one sheet of paper explaining the subjects you have outlined below.
2) A fee eqaul to the mailed postage plus a 75 cents would be included to cover
  the return mailing .
3) I will add to the contribution tape all the other people's work and zerox
   copies of all the song information sent out with each song.
4) It will then be mailed back to the contributor with all the new songs and
   info.

Everyone must under stand that the tapes they receive will not be the best
quality but they will have the composer's info so they may be able to purchase
a product directly from them (CD or tape).
If everyone thinks it is a good idea I will post an address where the tapes can
be sent.
Sean.

>> Here's a suggestion for the information
>> we may want to collect:

>>First, some general information about the contributor--
>>Name & Contact Address

>>Instruments Played
>>(we're not *all* keyboard players)

>>Musical Interests and Influences
>>(The intent is not to put everybody's music in boxes, just to give a rough
>>indication of what to expect.)

>>Terms of Availability
>>(e.g. Willing to copy on your blank media; media supported; $ Required)

>>Next, information about each available piece--
>>Song Title,Composer(s) (if other than above), Duration, Date of Recording

>>Instrumentation (What boxes did you use?)

>>Brief Description (What's it sound like?)

>>Recording Details (Anything unusual?)



>>Comments and additions, anyone? (Why do I have the feeling that Mike Metlay
>>as smiling sagely as he watches us reinvent the wheel?)

>>Brian Good
>>bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov


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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:26:26 EST
From:         "Sean F. Jepson" <SJEPSON@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      EMUSIC Tape Compilation

Joel:
   Yes, I am willing to start such an adventure.  I think it could be
   a lot of fun.  I did not read your past message but it sounds like
   a good idea.  Maybe we could have a index listing of what has been
   submitted to me so that people could request what they want on their
   tapes.  This would take a lot longer to compile each tape but maybe
   they can be arranged in volumes.  I would say to start sending tapes
   today but I am not sure what information should be sumitted with the
   the tapes and how much the zeroxing and return postage would be.
   I'm guessing it would be different for each submission depending on
   how much the postage cost.  If every body would agree to send the
   cost of postage + say 50 cents to a dollar to pay for zeroxing and
   the extra added weight. I think that could work.. Don't you?
   Please send suggestions on what the submission information should
   include. Once that is settled then I will post the information and
   where to send the tapes.  I looking forward to starting and hearing
   what everybody's been working on.
   Hope to hear from you all.... Sean


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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:15:10 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EIGHT-BALL.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Abject grovelling and apologies
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Yesterday in this space, I accused flashner@math.tau.ac.il (Amit
Flashner) of attempting to ftp to my host without permission.

He writes to inform me that, far from ftp'ing, he simply wanted
to finger me (it's a good thing there are oceans between us).
In his letter to me (which I hereby quote without permission --
yet another breach of good manners), he suggests that I might
be a moron.

He is correct, and might have suggested worse without missing
the mark.  I was right yesterday when I said I might be reacting to
too much coffee and too few cigarettes -- or perhaps just an
innate rudeness which my parents seem to have been unable to
eradicate in me.

At any rate, I hope Amit will accept my complete and abject
apology.
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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: EAR AIDS and collaborators
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@AMERICAN.EDU
              Jan 26, 93 6:04 pm

>>Team Metlay can't be TOO different from that,
>>but I may be wrong.
>
>I don't know if Team Metlay is much different; it's hard to be objective
>when (i) so closely involved and (ii) so wacked-out when a session's over.
>The difference is that in solo work I work alone but with a rig I know
>well. In TM we work with other people, throwing ideas around, but with an
>unfamiliar rig, beer, food etc.

The unfamiliar rig is tough to deal with, true. But the unfamiliar
beer and food is what can really sneak up on you. |->

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mike metlay                | "He must be listening to bagpipes,
atomic city                |  because he looks like plaid."
p. o. box 81175            |
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |                        (b. jonell)
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:04:07 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: EAR AIDS and collaborators
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>Nick does music for modern dancers and that's about all I know
>about who is doing what.

Actually, I don't think there is much correspondence between contemporary
dance and contemporary music in this context; I've seen good contemporary
dance performed to anything from Madonna to a superb live soundtrack played
on walkie-talkie sets (in pairs, using interference/feedback to pick up
different pitches). This is part of the appeal of the medium: flexibility.

>Team Metlay can't be TOO different from that,
>but I may be wrong.

I don't know if Team Metlay is much different; it's hard to be objective
when (i) so closely involved and (ii) so wacked-out when a session's over.
The difference is that in solo work I work alone but with a rig I know
well. In TM we work with other people, throwing ideas around, but with an
unfamiliar rig, beer, food etc.

>Therefore, I would like to encourage an EMUSIC-L
>compilation tape to find out.

Hopefully Craig Latta will have the MUSEnet CD out reasonably soon; I have
a track on that, as do (I presume) some other folks here.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |  cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk
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From:         Randy Alley <rga%babar@RTI.RTI.ORG>
Subject:      JX10 Sysex and XOR
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@auvm.american.edu

Well first off, hello to everyone on EMUSIC-L ! I'm new here but some may
recognize my name from r.m.s and r.m.m.s .

I'm trying to get some sysex stuff happening on my Roland Super JX - JX10.
Apparently, handshaking is required. In cakewalk, only the initial 6 byte header
is received (I didn't expect it to work.) In XOR where I'm using the MKS-70
profile, XOR reports a bad header info (or somesuch) error.

Does anyone have any experience with XOR and the JX10 ?
I can think of several possibilities:
                1) The MKS-70 profile doesn't work with the JX-10
                        (I'm trying to get Dr. T's on the phone.)
                2) My JX-10 is putting out corrupted sysex data.
                   I tend to think it's not this, as the 6-byte response
                   message it's sending seems OK.
                3) Something else I haven't thought of.

                Another oddity in XOR is after I tell XOR to use
                say, midi channel 11 for sending and receiving sysex,
                on the main page, XOR reports channel 1 for those
                communications. Going back to the setup program, my
                original settings, channel 11 are still there. Weird.
                Any clues ?

Any help on these beasts of hardware and software would be appreciated.

Randy
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From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: EAR AIDS and collaborators
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Again, as Nick said. Regular updates have been posted to xcf.berkely.edu.
I think Craig Latta has been quite clear about the progress of the
musenet CD in these. You may not have noticed because the updates are
simply edited changes in the original document.

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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: collaborators
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              at Jan 23, 93 3:05 pm

>I just thought of a favour - how about sending me a dub of the sessions,
>including the less successful number 2. I will, of course, lay out
>hard earned swag for the CD when it appears, but this might tide me
>over in the meanwhile.

Arrghhhh. Let me talk it over with the gang first; we've been very stiff
about restricting the distribution of the material before the CD comes
out, and there's some question as to whether or not the 2nd session should
EVER be made public. I'll contact you via private email when I decide, but
my first response would be to refuse, with apologies for our lateness....

>I suppose I could promise to air a portion of it. It might not be for
>a couple of weeks (Japanese house remix special this week, Paul Lansky
>interview next week, live free jazz gigs from Fred Frith/Hans Reichel
>and Peter Brotzmann/Gregg Bendian the week after), but hey.

Tempting. I'll include the offer with the note to the Team.


--
mike metlay                |
atomic city                | "Just remember to rip out all the RAM chips
p. o. box 81175            |  and replace them with multistate core,
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |  for a more analog sound."
metlay@netcom.com          |                                (d. elliott)
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:02:38 EST
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Subject:      Re: Paperless composing

> From: vantomme@SOUND.MUSIC.MCGILL.CA
> algorithmic composition.  What I like to do is to build algorithmic
> patches in MAX and see what they will crank out.  From the initial
> output, I can tweak the algorithm until I get what I want.
> Unfortunately, this method of composition has a low hit ratio for
> what is usable material. (It sure is interesting though!)

Perhaps not unlike the ratio of usable (for composition) material
people get when improvising?  By working towards make it more trivial
to vary the algorithm (or just try another take, if it's randomized),
you can help overcome this.  By trivial, I mean on the order of a
couple of seconds.  It should be just like doing another take on
an improvised solo.  Some people may get a long solo right the first
time through, but others do it again and again and again until the magic
clicks all the way through.  Algorithmic efforts can benefit from
the same kind of persistence.  It's also fair game to cut out the
good pieces of algorithmic stuff and paste them together (unless
you're a purist, which is okay, too).
                            ...Tim Thompson...tjt@blink.att.com...
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From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Good news for csound-wanabees on the Mac
Comments: To: emusic-l@auvm.american.edu

From TidBITS#160/25-Jan-93:
>
> * I also verified that the AppleCD 300 can send audio tracks (from
>   your favorite Elton John CD, for example) down the SCSI bus as a
>   16-bit audio data stream. However, Apple engineers had no idea of
>   applications for the firmware capabilities. (Essentially there are
>   two problems: first, stereo audio is 10 MB per stereo minute which
>   makes for large disk files; and second, the data would have to be
>   sucked into an application or utility and made into a file, like
>   an AIFF file, before it could be used for much of anything). This
>   may, however, presage some sort of CD-ROM to DSP sound chip
>   capability in future Macintoshes.
>
>   Information from:
>     Craig O'Donnell -- 72511.240@compuserve.com

Whee! Now if we can indeed get a fairly-cheap output board (perhaps an
Audiomedia board with suitably-hacked drivers), your local Quadra could be
a serious threat to the Indigo and the NeXT as a csound machine.

 --- Joe M.
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From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: GETTING THE TAPES OUT
Comments: To: EMUSIC-L@american.edu
              Jan 27, 93 10:07:10 am

If a volunteer (Sean?) decides to be the central clearing-house for this
stuff, I will see if I can set up a drop-folder on the castrovalva ftp
server to give the participants a place to drop off the information
on their submissions.

I have to have a specific person as coordinator, so I can give them read
access to the directory.

 --- Joe M.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:01:27 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: EAR AIDS and collaborators
Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List <EMUSIC-L@american.edu>

>Actually, folks involved in projects like these should definitely
>broadcast progress reports (or even lack-of-progress reports) so we
>can tell the difference between delays and "thanks for the money,
>chumps."

To be fair, Craig has been putting out monthly progress reports ever since
the start of the project. I haven't seen anything recently, so I'll check
up with him. I should say though that anyone involved in this kind of
venture should not hold their breath; I don't know for sure whether the
MUSEnet CD will make it out (for reasons of funding apart from anything
else); if it does, that'll be great. If not, that'll be a shame.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |  cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk
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From:         x92bba@ESSEX.STFX.CA
Subject:      Re: collaborators
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Hi...remember me?
This is the thesis guy, Glen Collins. Sorry I took so long toget
back to you but all of the documents that you sent were received and are
being used. Thanks a million! My thesis is shaping up to be a good one,
thanks to your help (along with many others)!!!
See you later.
Glen
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What we need now is a version of Alchemy that can pull samples from audio
CD's via SCSI; then we can Break The Law in the digital domain, without a
sampler.

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Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK> sez:

> Hopefully Craig Latta will have the MUSEnet CD out reasonably soon; I have
> a track on that, as do (I presume) some other folks here.

I've got one too, but I'll believe it when I see it.  And, while
we're on the subject, what the heck happened to the rec.music.industrial
CDs?

Actually, folks involved in projects like these should definitely
broadcast progress reports (or even lack-of-progress reports) so we
can tell the difference between delays and "thanks for the money,
chumps."

In the meantime, if someone is getting up an EMUSIC-L tape, put
me down for a copy and let me know where to send the money.
Translation of the above two thoughts: I'm a sucker for music.
Now, don't everyone write in at once and try to rip me off.

OMC (sort of):  Does anyone know of a good, cheap audio spectrum
analyzer?  I saw such a thing once as a plug-in for the Radio Shack
Color Computer.  I had a CoCo (still have it, but I haven't fired
it up in 4-5 years) but I thought (based on no evidence) that the
spectrum analyzer was a toy, so I didn't buy it.  Any other sources?
I would prefer semi-real-time operation (at least 5 Hz sampling
and display rate), and freeze would be nice, too.

Thanks.
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From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      On tape copies of the Team stuff
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Greg (and everyone else who might care):

I've decided not to make any exceptions to the so-far standing rule
that copies of the Team Metlay masters are not to be distributed to
non-Team people. My feelings on the two projects are as follows:

BANDWIDTH is going to be out on CD sometime between now and the next
close approach of Halley's Comet. I'd rather not have "bootlegs" with
different noise reduction, level control, EQ, and so on, circulating
beforehand, especially not on the radio.

BETA TEST/SATURNALIA is a DAT master sitting on my desk silently staring
at me and daring me to do something with it. The members of the Team are
strongly divided in their opinions of its quality and content. Being the
kind of person who has a deep-seated psychological need to make everyone
happy, I am in agony over what to do with it. If we wait for the next
Team get-together to redo the tracks, it could be 1997 before the CD ever
sees the light of day. On the other hand, a premature release of the
existing material could do a lot of damage to our reputation if people
decide that it *is* hasty and poorly done. Assuming that this quandary
doesn't kill me from stress, I'll let people know what's happening with
it when I figure it out myself. Argh.

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mike metlay                |
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p. o. box 81175            |  and replace them with multistate core,
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675   |  for a more analog sound."
metlay@netcom.com          |                                (d. elliott)
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:17:19 -0500
From:         bgood@SUNDAGGER.LERC.NASA.GOV
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Joel Stern:

>          To  clear  up  the apparent ambiguity in  my  message about  tape
>          exchanges, I   was refering to  tapes  of  original music  (mine,
>          yours...you know)...



           ...and would be glad to send  out  my music for
>          audition,  comment, criticism,  to  other individuals  and  would
>          enjoy doing the same for them.

I'd be interested, not so much to solicit criticism as to find possible
collaborators a la Team Metlay (no reason they should have *all* the fun).
It's difficult to figure out just from postings who's interested in what
kind of music.

Which leads to the question--if we want to do it, how do we make it happen?
Do we
(1) Post a list of interested people, along with their musical styles and
influences, and do one-to-one exchanges of tapes, or
(2) Con some poor fool into compiling a tape of contributions and circulating
copies, like a limited-distribution version of the Usenet tape/CD, or
(3) Set up a "chain cassette" that gets sent sequentially to interested parties
(but *only* those who have something 100% *completed*).

brian good
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From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: JX10 Sysex and XOR
Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List <EMUSIC-L@american.edu>

>Does anyone have any experience with XOR and the JX10 ?

XOR, no but with the JX-10 (or at least the MKS-70): lots. The SysEx
implementation is severely broken. I have tone and patch editing working
pretty well, but bulk dumps are completely out; I can't make any sense of
the data (I think I gave up when discovering that 96-byte single patches
get packed into 58 bytes for bulk transfer, or somesuch). As I recall, a
number of the MIDI software houses have declared their software to be
SuperJX-disadvantaged; it's certainly a distinct omission from MOTU's
UniSyn.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |  cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk
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