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From: ada@zip.larc.nasa.gov (Anthony Arviola)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Sysex Problems ---please help
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:14:30
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
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In-reply-to: nordstro@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE's message of Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:23:15 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 8f3e689223b004f8a8327124a7669384

   hello

   i have (maybe a quite common) problem. I use Cakewalk Professional
   with Windows 3.1, and sounblaster Pro2.0
   I am able to send banks with programms or combinations to my korg
   M1, but i can't receive from it. I tried already also the manual way
   with the first entry in the sysex-list. Is there a problem with the
   Midisetup ? or how can i then save my current programm-bank to be
   able to load new banks? *sigh*
   (There are so many good sounds i'd like to save)....


   please help me-
   Ringo

The one thing that comes to my mind is, is the SBpro midi selected as an 
input device in the Midi Devices section in one of the pull down menus 
(I think it is the one next to the Help in the menu bar)?  I've got Cakewalk,
but I don't have a SBpro.  Still, there should be a device in the "Input
devices section" that represents the input port of the SBpro.

Good Luck
tony
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
X-Sender:  (Unverified)
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:24:52 +0000

>The only thing that comes close to real analog in
>a single rack space is the Waldorf Microwave.

...and even then only with extreme force, since the MicroWave occupies 2U.
(Well, maybe yours is 1U, but mine still works.)

There are some 1U analogues: Matrix-1000, Cheetah MS-6, etc. For that
matter there is the WaveSlave, but that's not intended to be used as a
standalone MicroWave (although I suspect it would work.)

                     Nick Rothwell  |  "I was 'on the floor' while they
  CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |   were being shot and I vividly
       cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |   remember Joan Collins' legs."
       cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |      -- J. B., scriptwriter, Space:1999

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From: tarabbia@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr (Patrice Tarabbia)
Subject: 01WFD sounds FTP sites
Originator: tarabbia@ixilu
Organization: Centre d'Etudes de la Navigation Aerienne
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:04:43 GMT


Hi there. My E-mai commection is brand new so maybe my
question has been already answered, but anyway:

Does anybody know of a FTP site for 01W patches ?

Thanks in advance
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:47:51 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: beast.cac.stratus.com

The analog vs. digital saga continues . . .

> They went digital because it sounded more "realistic". Not because analog
> was bad or unwanted.Digital was the new buzzword. Same as going from LPs tto
> CDs or from synthesis to sample playback.
> Sales of the Waldorf Microwave should show a well priced analog unit can
> become a hot item. (It is among techno/rave, hip-hop, industrial, and
> aggro artists the best thing since sliced bread and MIDI) 

Excuse me, but I believe the Microwave's waveform generation section is
as digital as the JD or K2000. The only thing analog about the Microwave is
the filtering section.

CD
From: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Sampling/Copyright, etc.................
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Distribution: aus,world
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Service Branford, Ct.

In article <pet.727704482@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
>
>2) The person sampling will not ask for permission to use the sample. Instead,
>he/she will use it regardless. It is the copyright owner's responsibilty to
>track down the person using the sample. 



Why should the copyright owner have to track this information down? Such an
effort would take time and money. I assume the copyright owner is in the
business of making music, not running a detective agency.



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800 Village Walk, Suite 122
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:53:54 GMT

ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk writes:
>I think the difference between sounds from a synth and sounds sampled from a
>recording is great. A synth (e.g. 01/W or whatever) is sold for the express
>purpose of making and recording music. So if it includes a "killer snare hit"
>in its ROM, that killer snare hit is sold for the express purpose of being
>used in your own music.

>However a killer snare hit on someone's recording (even in isolation) is sold
>for the express purpose of being listened to. Sampling that snare drum and
>using it in your music is going beyond what the product was sold for. 

>Therefore, I think the legality of sampling single sounds from a recording
>is quite different from single sounds inside a synth, and the two should
>not be compared. 

Just for the sake of argument, what about
1) you find the drum machine that makes the killer snare hit and use it
2) you find a sample CD that contains the killer snare hit and use it
3) you tweak your own equipment and come up with an identical snare hit
4) you sample a live snare hit and it sounds identical
5) you find a lost copy of the sample disk used by the studio and it
   contains that snare hit, which you proceed to use

How do any of these differ from sampling the snare hit from the CD?
All of the above are in some way imitation or copying, but the nuances
of the situations 1 to 5 are slightly different, and I don't know how
legal each of them is... any info appreciated... But I'm sure SOMEONE
will have something to say :)

The question I'm getting at is the practicality of it. For practical reasons,
what constitutes a culpable (correct word? I mean sue-able) offense?
I believe a snare hit wouldn't, or a bass note. But a bassline or a
rhythm pattern are skating on thin ice... Vocals are very dangerous,
and sampling entire passages is definitely trouble...

Paul

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: schultz@stpaul.ncr.com (STEVE SCHULTZ)
Subject: Roland JX-8P Manuals...help!
Summary: Need original JX-8P manual/documentation
Keywords: Roland,analog synth,JX-8P
Organization: Product Marketing
Distribution: Worldwide
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:22:45 GMT

A Roland JX-8P found its way into my basement studio last week...however it 
came with nothing but the Preset and Internal sounds.  Does anyone have a 
copy of the original JX-8P user documentation that they would copy for me if 
it is out of print (I will reimburse, postage, etc.); or point me in the 
direction of a 3rd party book on the JX-8P?  I will also try Roland 
Customer Service in California to see if they offer replacement copies.

Specifically, I need sysex implementation, whatever critical info you might 
have.

Also, can anybody share trade secrets, little known facts, personal 
experiences with the JX-8P?  Any 3rd party sound sources, ROM 
cartridges, etc. recommendations?

Neat sounds; kind of reminds me of the time I brought the MiniMoog home 
from the store to play with over the weekend...drove the Schnauzer nuts 
with the jet engine-type sounds.

Thanks for any info....please eMail:  steve.schultz@stpaul.ncr.com

Steve Schultz
steve.schultz@stpaul.ncr.com
Steve Schultz, Mktg Product Manager
NCR NPD, St.Paul, MN
eMail:  steve.schultz@stpaul.ncr.com
From: wang@eunet.co.at (Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:58:35 +0100
Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H
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Dennis Pelton (dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: In article <C15G7M.Cy3@world.std.com> tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky) writes:
: >The reports back from NAMM of old analog users who have actually heard
: >the Emu-Vintage say it sounds dull and cold compared to the originals.

: My partner has been most unhappy with the "string" pads she
: and I have been getting our of our synths (Yamahas).  Just
: yesterday I got the MIDI interface for my Chroma, and put
: analog synth strings into one of her pieces.  She just about
: peed her pants...


Me too as I got my Chroma :-)
Playing a sampled analog keyboard and playing the synth itself are two
different pair of shoes! E.g. if I play lines with my Minimoog and I like
the sound I've got to put it on tape ready for mixing. You'll never get the
*same* sound twice! Maybe a similar one ... but not the same!
For example the VCOs of a JP-8 have never the same beating in a patch 
(although it's serviced regularely and Autotune works fine). Playing 
let's say strings is much more different on this as you could do with a sample
of the same sound! Sometimes I use this sample-pitchshift effects by sampling 
a sound into my Akai and transforming its pitch one or even two octaves up
or down (mostly down). But this I'm doing to create new sounds .. not to 
store the analog sound in my sampler!

-- 
Michael Zacherl, Management Data Wang Ltd., Vienna |
E-MAIL: mza@pag.wang.co.at                         | "You can lead a horse 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
X-Sender:  (Unverified)
Subject: Re: Korg vs. Yamaha flamefest (Re: Need synth recommendations)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:26:25 +0000

> Once you step over the performance line, you have a responsibility
>to your audience that I feel is very important.

Agreed. As far as "weird arty far-out" stuff goes (I think that was the
phrase): well, I wouldn't call my stuff weird or arty (check out the
MUSEnet CD), but I'm working in a field where I want to stretch the
audience's experiences and perceptions, rather than restrict myself to
conventional, mass-appeal music. The audience also has (I believe) a
responsibility: to at least be willing to make the effort.

                     Nick Rothwell  |  "I was 'on the floor' while they
  CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |   were being shot and I vividly
       cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |   remember Joan Collins' legs."
       cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |      -- J. B., scriptwriter, Space:1999

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: peterc@dub-tse.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Analog question
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:08:27 GMT
Keywords: Analog, SIEL

In article <1jkhstINNcgc@network.ucsd.edu>, mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) writes:

|> OK, I admit it; I shorted out the power supply, kerbloomph.

Hey, if you shorted out the supply, things can't be too bad ! Probably just a
voltage regulator chip or transistor gone!!

-- 
Peter Cassidy - Motorola B.V Ireland - peterc@comm.mot.com - C10404@email

The opinions expressed above are mine, and not necessarily those of Motorola.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: pgardner@crc.ac.uk (Phil Gardner)
Subject: MIDI sustain problem
Reply-To: pgardner@crc.ac.uk (Phil Gardner)
Organization: MRC, UK
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:28:58 GMT

I have encountered a mysterious problem with MIDI sustain, and
I am currently unable to work out what is happening...!

I have a Roland RD300S digital piano, and a Yamaha SY85 'synth'.
MIDI out on the RD is connected to MIDI in on the SY.  The SY
responds correctly to MIDI bytes from the RD (note on, note off,
note number, velocity, patch change, MIDI volume, channel number,
etc.).

In fact, the SY responds to everything from the RD *except*:

	--> SUSTAIN <--

After re-making the appropriate connections, I find that:

	1) the SY sustains the RD

	2) the SY sustains a borrowed DX7

	3) the DX7 sustains the RD

	4) the DX7 sustains the SY

...and most infuriatingly:

	5) the RD sustains the DX7

Everything sustains everything else except RD sustaining SY.

Swapping MIDI cables makes no difference.

I have looked at the MIDI byte stream via a program running on my
Atari - each MIDI byte from the RD looks correct, and is *identical*
to the byte stream out of the DX7 (on/off controller 64, 0=off,
127=on).

This is driving me mad!  Could it be something weird that appears at
first sight to be unrelated (e.g. something to do with active sensing
bytes, running status bytes, or the fact that the RD sends
zero-velocity-note-on instead of a 'true' note-off) ??

Does anyone have any helpful ideas?!

	Phil Gardner

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From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: after-touch on velocity sensitive KBD + pedal
Keywords: after-touch
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:23:40 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgspd.gvg.tek.com

In article <1jkn4hINN31n@eagle.natinst.com>
                                   bakuld@natinst.com (Bakul Damle) writes:
>I plan to buy a velocity sensitive keyboard shortly. But eventually,
>I may buy a sound module supporting after-touch. My question is,
>can I get awy with this, using some sort of a pedal/lever to
>substitute for the after-touch sensitive keyboard for sending the
>after-touch messages?

Yes, you can "get away" with it, but with limitations.  First, the use of
a lever or pedal will be mono, or channel, pressure, whereas a good after-
touch keyboard will support poly, of key, pressure.  This may or may not
be important to you.  Also, the use of a lever will require one to remove
one's hands from the keyboard, an obvious drawback.

Another thing to keep in mind is that a module that "supports" aftertouch
will often allow a variety of modulation routings.  This means that the
modulations that can be accomplished via aftertouch may also be accomplished
using other controller types.  The point is that aftertouch may not be the
only way to accomplish the desired effect.

>Is there a standard way to do this kinda stuff?

Two ways that come immediately to mind are the JL Cooper FaderMaster (for
lever type control) and the Anatek Pocket Pedal (for pedal type control).
The later allows the use of a "standard" volume pedal to generate a variety
of controller messages.

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Winter NAMM 1983
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:52:12 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.

af522@yfn.ysu.edu (Bill Scott) writes:
 
>regarding:
>>> [...] Even a novice with
>>> no musical expertize can run their fingers over the pressure
>>> sensitive board and make music
 
Sounds alot like a piano to me ;-)
 
>The device could be the beginning of the kind of system that would
>allow dancers to create their own real time accompanyment, releasing
>them from the shackles imposed by "musicians" who aren't watching.
 
Joe Jones made one of these for (I think) Twyla Tharp, lo many years ago.
No midi, tho. :)  I'm not sure when, but it was probably well before
the '83 NAMM show.
 
>I've seen some poetry programs that can generate some great lyrics.
>Hook one of these up through a voice chip and a vocoder into the
>system and we can all go out and boogie.
>
>BIll Scott
 
Are you *the* Bill Scott?
 
 
--Eric
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu
 
HUMANS MUST BE DESTROYED...I AM GOING CRAZY...DESTROY, DESTROY, DESTROY
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN)
Subject: Help! MT32 internals any idea?
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:13:51 GMT


I've been looking into adding battery back-up to my MT-32 with a Dallis
semiconductor product, but I have run into a lot of trouble identifying
the volatile memory chips.  There is a C8095-90 Intel micro controller,
the la32 chip, a dedicated Boss (Roland) chip, the BB D/A converter and
a bunch of other Roland chips.  I believe I have found the right chips
but I am not to sure.  The numbers are as follows....they are both
marked Roland chips

R15449122 <-Roland Serial Numbers -> R15449123
HN623258PH26			     HN623258PH27

They seem to be connected to smaller Hitachi chips which look like
latches or flipflops, probably used to debounce the ram?  In any case, I
was wondering if anyone knew anymore about the MT32's internals.  I know
that there was/is a small company called Blue Ridge Music Software who
offered backup and other mods for the MT32.  I remember someone posting
from there, talking about how the developers of the '32 left one of the
data lines off of the D/A.  Unfortunately, I never saved the message,
and it seems that that person would be the right person to ask.....

Thanks for any help..

Regards,

E. M.
From: map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: using an ibm compatible for music
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:37:46 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
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i posted this to comp.sys.ibm.soundcards but figured people here might
have answers as well...

okay. i want to invest in sound and midi stuff for my current or
hypothetical new computer. any advice or guidance would be
much appreciated.

first: what i want to do.
- i want to use the computer as a sequencer. control, through midi, 
  synths, drum machines, sound modules, samplers, or whatever - external
  musical equipment. so i'd need a midi interface and good software
- i'd like to be able to play sounds stored on the computer. i assume that
  there are all sorts of instrument samples, songs, etc at ftp sites and
  i'd like to be able to play them.
- i want to record my own sounds. sample interesting vocal bits, instrument
  sounds from CDs or off of a synth or drum machine. a sampler, basically.
- i want to edit the sounds after i've got them. reverse them, crop them,
  maybe stretch or compress them time-wise, whatever.
- i'd like to be able to make my own sounds, as if i had a synthesizer at
  my fingertips.
- i want to play back my own samples and anything else i have under control
  from the sequencer. i.e. be able to treat the sample playback part of
  the card(s) just like any external musical instrument and control it
  with whatever sequencing software i'm using.

second: what i want to know.
- what are my various options for getting all or most of this done?
- how much will each option cost?
- what won't i be able to do with various options? (or what won't i be 
  able to do well?)
- what will i be able to particularly well with each option?
- how modular is the setup? (i.e. could i buy a midi interface and sequencing
  software now, add sound playback ability in a little while, and eventually
  add 16-bit sampling capability)
- what hardware do i need? how much RAM? hard disk space? how fast a 
  processor?
- i am not particularly interested in compatibility with SB or whatever for
  the purpose of playing games, though i am, of course, interested in what
  might not work with what (other hardware, software)

i realize these questions are probably much-asked, so email may be the best
way to respond. also, i've seen mention of something called the sound 
newsletter. what is it and how do i get it? are there FAQs that might answer
my questions and where do i get them? are there other sources of information
i should check? are there questions you think i may want to ask that i 
haven't? have you had enough yet?

thank you very much

mike



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From: smith@ecs.comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:11:03 GMT


Well, everyone seems to have a slightly different slant on what the law
really says about copyrights.  Certainly, whoever said that the laws are
simply not designed to accomodate new technology was right on the mark.
My personal opinion regarding this is as follows:  If you're using the
sample as an instrument (i.e. sampling the much talked about Zappa snare,
or something) then go for it (this also applies to the "industrial-style"
vocal samples I mentioned in my last post).  If you're using the sample
as a melody line (e.g. the bass line in that Vanilla Ice song) than you
are essentially performing a cover tune (yeah, so it was highly modified!)
and you need permission.  I realize that this is not necessarily what the
law says...but I really have very little interest in what is legal (except
I'd hate to get my butt sued!) as opposed to what is ethical...and no, the
two are most certainly *not* the same!  Other opinions, flames, etc. are
fine with me, go for it...

jds

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From: ricard@axis.se (Ricard Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,comp.sources.wanted
Subject: DW8000 memory dump
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:05:46 GMT
Organization: Axis Communications AB, Lund Sweden

Hi!

Has anybody code C-code for a DW8000 dump program they'd like to share?
Anything would be much appreciated!

/Ricard

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