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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Thank you Miami Dolphins !!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:05:15 GMT
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Organization: UB

In article <1iqokiINNeto@titan.ucc.umass.edu> krs@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Karl R. Stapelfeldt) writes:
>
>    What a pleasant and unusual circumstance.  On my birthday, my
>favorite football team wins their playoff game in convincing style.
>I turned 31 years old today, and the Dolphins scored 31 points in my
>honor.  What more can a fan ask for?
>
>    Any other Dolfans have a birthday *next* Sunday? ...
>

No, but many Bills fans do.

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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bears Rumour
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:25:56 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Hi,

Is there any truth to the rumour that Vince Tobin took his name off the
list of head coach candidates for Da Bears because he'd been getting death
threats all week long??  

To quote the SuperFans: "Maybe Mike will end up as the head coach of da Bulls
	(DA BULLS), and that my friend, would indeed be a force to be reckoned
	with."

satish nair
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMs
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:55:29 GMT
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  of course!   But he doesn't do it as much as he used to...


semper fi,

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From: klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Eagles Report -- Hmmm.
Keywords: Philadelphia 36, New Orleans 20
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:14:45 GMT

Note:  The following comes from a die-hard Eagles fan
       with his feet on the ground.

In their recent game against the Saints, the Eagles were,
well, lucky.  Very poor play in the first half put them
in a position that they don't normally pull out of.  
In the second half, the defense came on strong to force 
some turnovers, and a few big scores by the offense gave
them the game.  

This "game plan" will not work against the Cowboys.  Big
plays are wonderful, but are no substitute for a consistent
offense, which the Eagles simply have not really had since
the beginning of the season.  A turnover-hungry defense loses
the gamble more often than it wins.  The Saints offense, 
along with the coaching staff, gave the Eagles the kind of
plays they needed to turn the game around.  Don't count on
the Cowboys making the same mistakes.  

Unless the Eagles play well from the first quarter on, I
must give this game to Dallas.  The Eagles can certainly beat
the Cowboys, as we saw earlier this year, but they have to
play the entire game well.

					. . . the Mantis
					      (Evinrood)
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: Madden is an Idiot.
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:15:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <5JAN93.00472532@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>In a previous article, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) wrote:
>>I used to like to listen to John "MAD" den before, but not
>>anymore.  As long as he sticks to the chalk board it is
>>OK, but it gets irrittating when he goes on rambling endlessly
>>on some silly and unconnected things like a total idiot.
>>
>>I do not know why people like to
>>be included in the All- MAD-den team.  He is getting senile
>>and denigrating into a total fool.
>
>Well, I don't know if I'd go THAT far, but he certainly does tend to have
>a rambling style. He's at his best when he's being more analytical and
>speaking from his coaching perspective rather than going on about how hard
>some running back hits the line of scrimmage. I can't take that for more
>than a few minutes.
>
>-
>Bart "Webb" Tilney
>Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
>
Remember during a recent 49ers game, the referee pronounced Seifert's name as
Si (long i) - fert.  Madden went on and on as nauseum about it.
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From: bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Domes suck
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:33:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Looney Bin

From article <1993Jan4.200059.28716@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, by cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov:
> In article <1993Jan4.022520.25811@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>>
>>Football is not an indoor sport.
> 
> What a dumb*ss statement. So what do you want us to do? Tear down the domes and
> rebuild stadiums? Get a grip.

	So what makes this a dumbass statement?  Football IS an outdoor
sport and it's being ruined by the domes (and artificial turf before
that).

terry
From: msanfrat@cs.ucsd.edu (Mike Sanfratello)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: POOF! The carriage turn back into a PUMKIN!
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:54:02 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <IfIDWCm00WDK48EWJo@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
[ ... ]

>Miami played an outstanding game and I really hope Marino gets
>his ring this year, finally!
>
>Good Luck Fish!!!
>
>--Vernon.

Any AFC proponent should hope that Miami doesn't win; they have proved
to everyone that they cannot beat a tough NFC opponent.  Just save
yourselves the embarrassment, fish.

mike
From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana ...a poor sport?
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:35:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: bmw.1993Jan12.173525.10620
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN





In article <14142@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN) writes:
->From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->Subject: Re: Montana ...a poor sport?
->
->
->  The only players who like being on the bench belong there. 
->   or in the dole queue. 
->
->  now regarding the Montana situation, after seeing the 9ers/Lions
->  game my thoughts are that Joe didn't quite look like his old self
->  but after a two year layoff who would. He has definitely got at
->  least one more year in him. 
->    But Young is doing well and can expect to be playing for six or
->  so more seasons, so what do you do ? 
->   Although it will be hard for everybody the best thing for the 
->  team would be to trade Joe for veteran defensive talent, let him
->   play out his career and then welcome him back as QB coach. 
->
->  but suppose the CFL does put a franchise in Sacramento, then for 
->  Joe to play and coach there would definitely pull in Californias
->  football fans, and allow Joe to also play backup for the niners,
->  while also being a starter. 
->
->         any comments ? 
->                jon 
->                  jdng90@uk.ac.soton.ecs
-> 
-> 
->
->

The Vikings should trade Chris Doleman to the 9ers for Montana.
Does everyone think that this would be enough or would the 9ers want more??

Just so that it is not another Herschel Walker deal!!  :^)

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From: mccoskey@controls.ccd.harris.com (Wayne McCoskey)
Subject: Re: steve walsh deal
Originator: mccoskey@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:01:58 GMT


In article <1993Jan4.193904.16603@micom.com>, jscott@micom.com (James Scott) writes:
|> greetings netters,
|> 
|> forgive me for bringing up an old thread, but could someone clarify
|> a few things about the steve walsh (DAL->NO) deal?
|> 
|> 1)  who was the overall #1 selected the year after the cowboys went
|>     1-15?
|> 
|> 2)  who did JJ select with his pick(s?) from NO?
|> 
|> in sort of a related issue ... do saint fans consider it a good trade?
|> i mean, if walsh was really THAT good ... why isn't he playing?
|> 
|> btw, i consider JJ to be one shrewd judge of talent and am just wondering
|> if this trade was a total bust, or what?
|> 
|> thanks,
|> 
|> james
|>   

Answers to the original questions:

1) The Indianapolis Colts traded WR Andre Rison, OT Chris Hinton, and some
   draft picks to the Atlanta Falcons for the #1 overall pick in the 1990
   draft (the pick Dallas would have had if they didn't select Steve Walsh
   in the 1989 Supplemental Draft).  With the pick, the Colts drafted:
        QB Jeff George

   Other players available in the 1990 draft were:
        DT Cortez Kennedy    Selected 3rd by Seattle
        LB Keith McCants     Selected 4th by Tampa Bay
        LB Junior Seau       Selected 5th by San Diego

   These were some of the players that the Cowboys could have drafted

2) In the 1991 Draft, the Cowboys originally had 3 #1 picks, the 11th, 12th,
   and 14th picks (with the 14th being the one from the Saints.  The Cowboys
   used the 11th pick to trade up with New England and selected DT Russell
   Maryland with the overall #1 pick in the 1991 draft.  With the 12th pick,
   they selected WR Alvin Harper who is now starting for them.  They used the
   pick from New Orleans (#14) to keep trading down and finally selected DT
   Kelvin Pritchett with about the #23 pick.  They then proceeded to trade 
   him to Detroit for 3 lower round picks.  So, they used the pick from New
   Orleans to get a bunch of lower round picks.

I would much rather have selected DT Cortez Kennedy with the overall #1 pick 
in the 1990 draft instead of selecting Walsh.  However, the Cowboys did not
foresee going 1-15 and having the overall #1 pick in the 1990 draft, so they
did what they felt was best.  Overall, I think it was a mistake because they
really didn't get anything for Walsh, Walsh caused Aikman alot of problems in
his early stages because he kept having to look over his shoulder to see if
Johnson was going to yank him, and the Cowboys could have had Cortez Kennedy
starting at DT instead of having to select Russell Maryland in the 1991 draft.
I know that Maryland is playing well now, but he is NOT Cortez Kennedy!!!!!

Wayne
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: aPost subject [PittsBurg ???]> a
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:12:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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Well Enough about last weeks games. We now need to get focused on Pittsburg.
Could someone please post the injury situation in P-Burg.
I'm really looking forward to Saturday I think this game will be great!
I hope P-burgs. starting Qb is ready to play, Brister seems to not have it
all together but then Reich is a backup too.



Go Bills: Beaten up...Banged up but never giving up!
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Cowboys defeat Eagles-BIG TIME!
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:33:20 GMT

The Eagles found themseleves losing before they even arrived to Texas Stadium.
A local supermarket in Dallas pulled all Philly cream cheese from their
shelves before the game.

For all of those Eagle fans out there who said it was a 'fluke' that Dallas
beat the Eagles at Texas Stadium, well, it looks more like it was a fluke that
Dallas lost in Philly. The Cowboys (with the exception of turnovers) had good
numbers against the Eagles in that MNF game and it made Kotite angry when he
heard the Cowboys liked what they saw of their team even though they lost (he
said this before the second game of the season against the Cowboys).

Emmitt Smith had good numbers against the Eagles rushing for over 100 yards
and scoring a touchdown. Derek Tennell scored the first touchdown for the
Cowboys on a wide open pass in the endzone from Troy Aikman. I guess you can
discount that remark that Michael Irvin said later in the week when he told
Tennell that he wouldn't catch any balls. I guess the Eagles believed it
because Tennell went virtually untouched into the endzone. Jay Novacek caught
another pass in the endzone from Aikman and Elliot kicked two ugly fieldgoals.
Derek Gainer scored a late touchdown for the Cowboys that sealed the fate of
the Eagles. Final score Cowboys 34 Eagles 10.

Andre Waters remark that only one person would walk off after the game between
him and Emmitt Smith was right. Emmitt left the game in the late 3rd/early 4th
quarter so he wasn't on the field at the end of the game! :)

Fred Barnett's remark that he wanted to show Dallas what they missed in taking
Alexander Wright over him, well... Wright isn't around, but Barnett didn't do
much. Most of that can be blamed on the Dallas Defense he put a lot of
pressure on Cunningham. Cunningham didn't look sharp at all. Aikman started
slow, but finished hot (sorry, no exact numbers yet). A few of his incomplete
passes went right through the arms of his receivers so he was actually doing
better than his stats showed at the beginning-but the receivers weren't
catching the ball.

The Dallas Defense was AWESOME. They allowed only 3 points to the Eagles until
the end of the 4th quarter when the prevent defense allowed a touchdown when
Randal Cunningham scrammbled out of the grasp of a couple of Dallas defenders
and threw into the endzone for a touchdown. The Dallas Prevent Defense looked
great. That is one of the few times I have seen a Prevent Defense still put
pressure on the quarterback.

Way to go COWBOYS!! Beat the 49'rs!!!

Eric

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Subject: exit
From: brian@sdg.dra.com
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:00:07 CST
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

I heard on the radio today that Mike Ditka got canned.  What will be
the response on Saturday Night Live??

Teams that should hire him (??):

Phoenix  -  Nah, the heat would kill him.  His bad ticker, ya know.
Denver - He would look pretty cool in that stocking cap he wore in Green Bay.
NY Giants - Nah, the New York media would hate him.
Houston - Homey don't play dat.

In the words of Mr. Mclaughlin... WRONG!!! THE ANSWER IS ST. LOUIS!  HE AND
BUDDY RYAN WILL REUNITE AND GUIDE ST.LOUIS' NEW TEAM TO A DIVISION CHAMPION -
SHIP! (Note I didn't say SuperBowl - I'm not greedy.)
 
 :-)

Bears New Coach - Ray Handley, of course.


Brian
From: metv@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is ABC clueless? (Dierdork bashing)
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:45:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <43504.glh@[128.244.197.62]> "Gene A Heyler" <glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> writes:
>
>  Doesn't ABC get it? Don't they know how bad he is?
>
>  His suck-up to the Redskins and their running game in the 2nd half
>  (once he had acertained the game was safely in hand for them) was
>  nothing short of nauseating. Of coure we've been saying that all along.
>
>
>   Time for a two man booth on ABC.
>
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I have enough of him too.  I don't watch the Monday Night because of him 
unless my team was playing.  Every game, he would critize the losing team
and suck-up to the winning team.  It is time for him to go or the rating
for ABC football is going to go down.  

Metro
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Random Dallas THoughts
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:26:40 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <24685@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> cwalker@Pterodactyl.scg.hac.com (Clint Walker) writes:

Good stuff deleted] 
>One thin that disturbs me about the current Cowboys is some of the 
 >classless displays that they are allowed to make after big plays,
 >Landry would not have tolerated in his days.  Actually, the only player 
 >that bothers me is Kenneth Gant.  His "dance" is more of a taunting 
 >nature than celebratory.  I don't mind enthusiastic celebration, but the
 >trash talking and taunting has got to go.
 
I think it's nice to see some emotion from the Boyz, Kenny Gant 
dances before every kickoff during the TV, ads this was just the 
first time the it made it to the screen. Dallas shows their 
emotions ALL the time unlike some teams (Oilers come to mind)
who only do their dancing or sliding when they have a three TD lead.
Im sick of the No Fun League rules.

Do the "shark"
Go Cowboys !!
tim



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From: skgalich@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: RE:Greatest Moment
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:40:17 GMT

RE: Greatest Moments

Excuse me - being a SKINS fan since George Allen/Sonny/Bill/Joey T. et.al
the guantee was not from Riggo but from Dexter......... pay attention..
yes Marcus Allen did a big dance on the records the next year but.... how many
people did he drag behind him?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 18:45:08 CST
From: <U56149@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: FRANK REICH

Does anyone know the title (?and words?) of the "religious song" that Frank Rei
ch "used to prepare himself" for Sunday's game? ur local paper made a comment t
 to that effect, but did not identify the song.  Thanks!!  Jerry Bartlett
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to enter the draft
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:50:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.154036.22292@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
>	Bledsoe, I would hope that the Cardinals look at him, or maybe
					^^^^^^^
>	the Saints? Denver? 
		    ^^^^^
>>
Why in the world would either of these teams want him?
The Cardinals have two good quarterbacks in Chandler and Rosenbach.
The Broncos still have Elway, who is the only thing NOT wrong
with that stupid team, an d they picked up Tommy Maddox in last
year's draft to be the QB of the future.

Jason Gische
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: If and When
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:14:06 GMT
Keywords: more like when the chargers, bills win

In article <5196@equinox.unr.edu> schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell) writes:
>
>Okay, let's just s'ppose here.
>
>Chargers beat Fish.
>Bills beat Steelers.
>
>Niners beat Redskins.
>Dallas/Philly whatever.
>
>The pairings for next week would be:
>Buffalo at San Diego
>San Francisco hosts game.
>
>Now, both games would be on sunday, and both games would be on the west
>coast.  Which game would be the "early game", starting at 10AM pacific
>time?  I can tell you right now, the Chargers would get screwed, and have
>to play the early game, fate is cruel to the Chargers in Afc championship
>history.  San Francisco would "pull rank" and demand the prime start time.

The 49ers have no choice either.  It is up to the NFL.  I can't, though,
remember the last time that the 49ers played a home day game at a time
other than 1pm.  Perhaps Pittsburgh will win and this will not be an
issue (or, heaven forbid, the 49ers lose :-().

> Or what does youse think?
>
>GO CHARGERS
>
>Dan Schnell
>schnell@unr.cs.edu


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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Draft stuff
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:59:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.061550.58758@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>Curry will go well before Copeland...

After the total domination of the 'Canes in the Sugar Bowl (but
admittedly, before the combine workouts) does the net feel that
there is a chance that either  Eric Curry or John Copeland will
be available at the 6th overall pick  (Tampa Bay's)?   I assume 
that Marvin Jones will be long gone by then.
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From: haught@tigger.jvnc.net (Darrell Haught)
Subject: Re: Intimidation Factor? : 'Boys/Eagles
Originator: haught@r2d2.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:16:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.184734.29320@ntmtv> jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin) writes:
>
>
> The 9ers\Skins\Giants\Bears did it
>with good solid on the field play not by resorting a bunch of cheap
>talk, cheep hits or dragging shrines to dead guys around the country.
>This strictly bush-league stuff which doesn't have much affect on the 
>other side and tends to make perpetrator look unprofessional if not
>downright silly. 
>
>Now if the Eagles enjoy this style or get a lift out of "intimidation"
>so be it. But don't live under some delusion that it matters any more
>to the outcome of the game than me wearing my lucky socks on Sunday.
>
>The game will be played on the field, thats where it will be settled.
>The winner will prevail because of supperior play and problably a
>lucky break or two for good measure.
>
>
>My greatest fear is that when/if the Eagles make it to the SB that 
>they'll be exhuming bodies and suiting them up to get that
>emotional high they seem crave so much.
>
>Jeff Martin

Man, talk about cheap shots. Eagles fan or not a great player passed
away and if dedicating the season to JB gives them that extra boost
to win tha so be it. No doubt about it , it will be the game to watch,
just don't bet your house on it. 

Bring it home for Jerome.....

Darrell

  
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