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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Who's got the toughest schedule?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:06:43 GMT

In article <7@abcom.ATT.COM> reapdev@abcom.ATT.COM (3689 ) writes:
>>
>>  	I've heard (don't know for certain) that Washington has the toughest
>> schedule:  First, there in the NFC east which is arguably the toughest division
>> and 6 out of their 8 inter-division games are against teams that made the 
>> playoffs last year.
>> 
>> Andy C
>I would say the NY Jets have a tough schdule:
>Home:49ers,Patriots,Bills,Dolphins,Bengals,Chiefs,Colts,Saints
>Away:Falcons,Steelers,Rams,Colts,Broncos,Patriots,Bills,Dolphins
>
>Proven teams in that schedule:
>  49ers,Bills(2),Chiefs,Broncos,Saints
>Tough teams:
>  Patriots(2),Dolphins(2),Steelers,Bengals
> 
>Al G

Frankly, in the words of my former Commander, "Who gives
a rat's ass to a sour apple" on who has the toughest
schedule?  I sure as hell don't.  Bottom line:  tough
or easy schedules, a team has to get through the playoffs
at the end, ultimately be in the SB.  Is this not true?
The true champions will rise to the occasion.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
From: rich@quik.clearpoint.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC EAST
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:11:08 GMT
Reply-To: rich@jasmine.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748


Tha basic problem with Miami is they lack the defense. I'm no Miami fan, but
if you watch them, you'll notice that their defensive linemen are always late
to the ball. The secondary is constanlty having to make the tackles. That puts
a lot of pressure on Marino to generate points. A basic fact, defensive wins 
games.

Rich
From: jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Status of Okoye and Browner?
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:39:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: tellab5.1992Sep9.173950.9474
Distribution: na
Organization: Huh?
Originator: jcj@sunl18

Can somebody tell me what's going on with Christian Okoye (sp?)?  I
didn't see any mention of him in the KC game summary from last Sunday.  
Also, who picked up Joey Browner?  Thanks.
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: So how did the Bucs-Cards game look?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 02:16:03 GMT

I saw on ESPN NFL Primetime that the Buccaneers romped on the Cardinals 
today but they didn't really show enough to get a good feel for how the
game went.  Did the Bucs look like they routed the Cards as much as the
score suggested?  Is there any reason to get my hopes up?

More importantly, who do they play next week?  Beating Phoenix is not that
big a deal, so I assume that game will be more revealing.

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
    Your shame is neverending...just one psychological drama after another.
--------------------------{dave@bradley.bradley.edu}---------------------------
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From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (WCK)
Subject: Vegas Line(odds)
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:22:18 GMT

HOME TEAM IN CAPS
------------------------------
FAVORITE          UNDERDOG

WASHINGTON  10    atlanta
dallas       3    GIANTS
SAINTS       4    chicago
raiders      2.5  cincinnati
DETROIT      4    minnesota
K.C         10    seattle
TAMPA        2    green bay
S.FRISCO     3.5  bufflo
DENVER       6.5  san diego
houston      9    INDIANAPOLIS
n.y jets     1    PITTSBURGH
L.A RAMS     4    new england
philadelphia 6.5  PHOENIX
maimi        2    CLEVELAND 

Hell if anyone will give me ten points I will take Atlanta

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From: stapleto@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Kathy Stapleton)
Subject: Re: Final Scores from Week 1
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:18:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.180311.6788@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>

>  Washington at Dallas tonight....

I'm sorry to report (and gosh am I REALLY sorry to say, as a DIEHARD
Skins fan)

Washington 10
Dallas     23

Kathy
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"But a kiss can be deadlier if you       | Dept. of ECE
 mean it."                               | George Mason University
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From: pef1@quads.uchicago.edu (p.e.freeman esq.)
Subject: Fast Rise Times (was Re: Bucs coach)
Keywords: all sports, not just basketball
Reply-To: pef1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:55:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.205253.15505@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>I think it was dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) who wrote:
>>Now for some real trivia....does anyone know the fastest expansion-to-
>>playoff team in major league sports?
>
>I assume the hint was in the Subject line?

Probably safe.

> [description of Buck's early history deleted]
>
>Maybe some expansion team made the playoff in its first year; maybe
>I'm wrong and the Bucks were more than two years old in 1970; but I'll
>be very surprised if anyone else moved faster from expansion to
>championship.

I am not sure if they won the championship (I need an almanac in my office...),
but the St. Louis Blues were in the Stanley Cup finals the first year of the
big expansion (either '68-'69 or '69-'70).

Point taken on the "expansion to championship" part, assuming the Blues lost.

peter

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From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills vs. 49er's
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:43:41 GMT

In article <192smgINNaam@agate.berkeley.edu> rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) writes:
> ...
>   Both Houston and KC have a good shot. KC can pound the Buffalo 
>   D into the ground with their running game and Houston has an 
>   excellent defense now that Dishman is back.
> ...
> 
>   Ashu Rege

Wake up! Did you see the playoff game against KC last year??
No, not the Monday night game, the game that COUNTED, you know,
the playoffs, where we see who gets to go to the Super Bowl??
I didn't see KC doing any pounding. 

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Status of Steve Young
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:17:51 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <18jdqpINN802@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jon Waler) writes:
>Is he going to start on Sunday, if they haven't made a decision,
>when will the 49ers make one??

Yes, he is the scheduled starter. He has recovered from his concussion.

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From: lester@soldev.tti.com (jim)
Subject: Re: Buffalo television
Summary: At least you (in Buffalo) get to watch the Bills
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:58:29 GMT

This weekend, the best game being played is Buffalo @ San Francisco (NBC).
In L.A., we're "lucky" enough to have two teams (even though they're from
different counties, with about 3 million people in between).
How many games do we get on network TV this Sunday? Two!  Raiders @ Cinci
and Falcons @ Redskins.  Both 10 A.M. games.
Just because the Rams are playing at home, there can be no TV double header.
What a crock of shit.  Well, since I can't watch a real game at 1 PM (Bills
vs 49ers), I might as well drive the 70 miles down to Anaheim & watch the
"home" team.  NOT!

At least in N.Y./N.J. you can probably pick up TV stations from nearby
cities (Philly, Albany).  In L.A., both "local" teams must be on the road
in order for us to see a full slate of games.

Are you listening, NFL?

Jim
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
			 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
			  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain
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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Moron
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:44:44 GMT

From article <1992Sep10.141112.16922@osf.org>, by bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith):
> In article <1992Sep9.014238.11411@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>>In Article 28194, Tony Bechtold rambles
>>> ... blah blah blah...
>>> All the rest can't cut it against the strong NFC defenses.  The
>>> mighty Bills have proven this the last two years.
>>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Funny how two years ago the Giants LOST to the Bills in the regular
>>season. Even funnier is how the Giants played at home.
>>If you weren't such a moron you would've known that the Bills 
>
> (A bunch of stuff deleted...)
> 
> 
> Bruce Smith

Hey!  If anyone should know about the Bills, it is Bruce Smith.  By the
way, Bruce, thanks for the stomping you gave my Rams :^(.  How's the
knee?

						- Tim
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:16:23 GMT

In article <d9xndga.mzimmers@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
  [deleted]

>Now then, some puerile ranting:
>
>1. If we had anything resembling a placekicker, we win.

    They better do this before the Jets game.  However, in defense of
    Cofer, I think the 47 yarder was slightly deflected by a Buffalo
    player when it went up.

>2. If we have Rice all game, we probably win (as good as the other
>   WRs are, Rice is still better).

    Sherrard and O. Turner did a good job filling in.  But I can't 
    beleive that the Niners had only 31 points to show for with almost
    600 yds in offense.

>3. Montana makes that last drive work.

    Bono would do the job too.  At least not be intecpected in critical
    moments.

>Ah well, it may not have been that impressive to defense-bigots like
>me, but it sure was entertaining...

    Kind of reminding me of the Falcons game at the Stick last season.
    Both teams have better defenses than what they showed.  It's just
    a bad day for defense.  The Niner's D will improve as the season
    goes on.

>Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
>SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
>Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974

Edward Hui
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:17:46 GMT

In article <13719.2aadf35a@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> stig@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Hey Vikings fans, I have heard that the Vikings cleaned house defensively this
>preseason.  I know at one time, about 3-4 years ago, the Viking defense was
>absolutely stellar.  It seemed that half of the starting pro bowl defense in
>the NFC were Vikings.  I have heard that Joey Browner was released and is now
>with Tampa Bay, but what about guys like Chris Doleman, Keith Millard, Carl
>Lee, Noga, and others who starred on defense?  
>
>I am just interested to know what happened to these guys.

	Sure, in 88-89, Minnesota had the #1 defense. Ahhh, my glory
	years. I have been a Viking fan since about 79-80, and those
	late 80's teams were pretty good. Just couldnt win that game
	against Washington, but anyway, as for the defense, Doleman
	is still there, he is pretty much the anchor of the fron line,
	he played very well against the Packers, sacking Maj twice, and
	making him fumble on two play in a row... :) Millard was traded
	to Seattle before the season started for a second round draft
	choice. I dont think he has played yet for Seattle, but Im not sure
	Im not a seahawk follower, maybe a Seahawks fan could fill us
	in there. Lee & Noga still play, Studwell retired, filled in
	nicely now by Berry, Del Rio, and company. Corners are still Lee,
	Rutland(Mustafaa?) and a few new players...

	This new defense looked pretty good in the preseason, and stopped
	the Packers when it counted on Sunday, ie Workman 3 and 1 on the
	Vikings 3 yard line, getting pushed back 3 yds... FG.....

	Here to hoping the Vikings do well this year.... :)

	Mark Gresbach
	GO VIKINGS!


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From: tim.g.thompson@att.com (Tim Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bengals uniforms
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:51:37 GMT

|> In article <9209151435.AA19666@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com>, ckoontz@RDXSUN40.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (Carl H. Koontz) writes:
|> I noticed the Bengals were wearing white jerseys at home against the
|> Raiders on Sunday.  I am pretty positive they have always worn their
|> black jerseys at Riverfront in the past.
|> 
|> Does anybody know why the Cincinnati Bengals have started wearing
|> white jerseys at Riverfront?  Is this a Dave Shula original?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Carl

If memory serves me correctly, the home team can decide which
uniforms they will wear, with the visting team having to wear
the opposite. I'm pretty sure David Shula was quoted as saying
that he hoped it was hotter than blue blazes the day of the
game, and the Bengals would wear their whites, forcing the
Raiders to wear their black uniforms, making it all the more
hotter for them.

I think the Browns have varied between their white jerseys and
the brown ones at home as well. Not sure if it's been based
on the same logic.

					Tim Thompson
					tim.g.thompson@att.com
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: 49er/Bills
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:29:47 GMT

In article <BuKx2D.GMG@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
v077mdph@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy) writes:

>In article <y0xnhcg.xtifr@netcom.com>, xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes...
>>In <1992Sep14.003242.1493@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.
>lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>>>In probably the most entertaining game of the day, the Buffalo Bills'
>>>offense outlasted the 49ers' offense, winning the game 34-31 after

>>Sheesh, it is just me?  Am I the only one who finds this type of
>>offensive shootout, with no defense by either team, to be just as boring
>>as a defensive struggle that ends in a 3-0 win?

>        I don't know if it's just you, but I don't see why you can't enjoy a
>good football game.
>        It isn't that there was "no defense."  It was simply that the defenses
>were overpowered by the offenses.  Buffalo survived by creating turnovers.  As a
>fan of the Bills, my biggest worry is Bruce Smith:  he simply isn't playing like
>he used to.

Yeah, actually Bruce wasn't as big a factor as one might have
thought. He didn't even record a sack, though hurried Young a few
times.  The Niners only gave up one sack for 10 yards, while the
Bills gave up 3 for 22 yards.  Funny how the two most feared pass
rushers of the game, Smith and Harris, didn't even record a sack for
the day.

                                                     Tony
                                                  GO 49ERS!!!
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Niners Roster
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:05:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.022424.6347@athena.mit.edu>, chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston) writes:
>Does anyone know the status of Mark Seay?  Is he on the roster, devolopmental, IR
>or released?
>
   He is currently on the developmental squad.

Edward Hui
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From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Updates??
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:55:20 GMT

From article <eha.14@postman.hsn.no>, by eha@postman.hsn.no (Ernst Halvard Sandjord):
> In article <1992Sep14.044841.660@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
> 
>>If the net was 'live wire' news I would find it nice to have 'updates' posted
>>about games. BUT IT ISN'T! It seems like a very big waste of bandwidth to post
>>8-10 (or more) updates about games in progress since by the time most people
>>get them they know the score and have even seen highlights.
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Nope!!! I do not agree with you. Remember, there are a lot of international 
> readers of this group (including me from Norway) around the world trying to 
> get updated scores. WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ABC, CBS, NBC AND ESPN!!!!!
> I have CNN International but their sports (read cricket, tennis, 
> racing etc.) updates SUCKS!! I did appreciate the updates posted here.

I can understand overseas readers wanting detailed game reports but I
really can't see there being enough people getting news real-time AND
actually being tuned in to the the net at game time to make these
kinds of constant updates worth the clutter.  Why not just type in the
report as the game goes on and then post it at the finish?


"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
                                          AT&T Network Systems
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer/Viking thoughts (Packer fan viewpoint)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  9 SEP 92 13:22:06    

In article <YefJOvC00Uh709hrsN@andrew.cmu.edu>, Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...

>Secondary:  I'm encouraged to hear about the part of our defense that
>was less than stellar last year.  Vinnie Clark seems to be improving
>steadily.  The coverage sacks, though, are somewhat dissapointing
>because that shows that the defensive line has lost the penetration they
>showed last year, and they seem to have lost the rushing defense to.

The Packers just plain lack talent on the DL.  I like Archambeau, 
Brock, Brown, Jurkovic, Tuaolo and Davey but not one of them really 
have even the *potential* to be a pro-bowler.  I don't think the line 
contibuted much pass rush last year either.  Most of the Packers pass 
rush came from the LBs.

>Offense:
>  Rushing:  Seeing the pack have success on the ground is encouraging,
>and shows clearly the end of the Infante era.  The question is, do they
>have the talent to really run?  Hopefully, but probably not.

Well, some success.  Geez, I wish I had some stats.  The Packer Report 
should arrive tomorrow so I'll know more on Friday.  I'd like to know 
how many rushing yards the Packers had.  They were really slicing the 
Vikings apart on trap blocks - huge holes on almost every play.  It 
was the drive blocking that stunk.  This is the one thing that 
Mandarich really excells at.

>Overall:  We need better than 6-10, but it won't happen.

If they play that good every week they might make 6-10.  I'm assuming 
the Vikings are a 7-9 or 8-8 team.

JGH
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From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Bengals 24 - Raiders 21
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:46:16 GMT

From article <1992Sep13.162634.24800@ms.uky.edu>, by thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell):

>   Again the defense won the game.  The offense just out and out sucks
> (excluding Fenner who is incredible and reminds me of Pete Johnson and
> Icky Woods).  

Harold Green played just as well as Fenner with 20 carries for 97
yards (compared to Fenner's 17 carries for 70, 4.85 yards per carry vs
4.11).  Repeatly pounding a fullback into the line on a long drive
with the no-huddle is a great way to soften up the defense for an
elusive runner like Green.  It is great to finally have a real
fullback again!

> But, the passing game *sucks* and I think that Esiason
> is just chicken of throwing an INT so won't throw the long ball.

So Esiason should throw long into coverage just to show he's not
chicken of throwing an interception?   No thanks, as long as the
running game is clicking I'll take 59% completions for almost ten
yards a pop and avoid the turnovers that destroyed last year's offense.
The offense played fairly well against a good Raider defense.   

>   BUT THE DEFENSE, is *great*.  I thought we were screwed when Bently
> had to leave the game but, they *still* came through.  And *finally*
> the special teams did some work and recovered a fumble.. :)

The loss of Bentley was a concern but he was replaced by Ricardo
McDonald who lead the team in tackles last week and was close to the
top again this week (following Tim Krumrie who has once again become 
a force now that he has some support on the line).

The defense played well but the secondary is still a real concern.


"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
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