From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:32:38 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1992Dec10.213807.1008@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>]I would say that the social aspects include the ability to serve with all
>]kinds of other people, regardless of race, sex, sexual preference.  It's
>]part of all other work environments, including my own, and I feel it's
>]part of being a professional.  People unable to meet that standard need
>]not apply...
>
>Tell me, does your work environment include the requirement to shower
>and sleep with your workmates? If not, don't give me this crap. If you
>don't like your work environment, do you have the freedom to quit
>without prosecution? If not, don't give me this crap. Does your work
>environment involve fighting for your life, under extreme environmental,
>physical and psychological conditions? If not, don't make this dumb
>comparison.

No, but I doubtless shower with gay men at the health club I belong to.
Does that give me an attack of the creeps, worrying that they may be
staring at my tender young flesh?  Nope.

>]>Included in these requirements is the requirement to fit
>]>into military teamwork - an openly gay person would have the same success as
>]>someone who never bathed! Bathing, after all, doesn't affect one's ability
>]>to operate a sonar, or whatever, but lack of it certainly leads to unit
>]>cohesion problems.
>]
>]In other words, only white male heterosexuals need apply, eh?
>
>That's right. Isn't that what I said? WHITE MALE? Did you read that
>anywhere in my posting? Since you can't refute my arguments, you are
>now making up ones that you CAN attack. 

But since you're worried that those daring young men will be upset because
they have to work with different kinds of people, you'd better keep them
homogeneous, eh?

>]>I once watched a group of my company mates beat a
>]>"scrounge" (Navy term for one who doesn't bathe) until his back was broken.
>]
>]Holy shit!  What kind of revolting little leech would just stand by and
>]let a bunch of assholes cripple someone else in his group?
>
>Fuck you too, charlie. You had to be there. It becomes more and more
>obvious that you live in some sort of ivory tower and have no appreciation
>for how the world really works. An no, in spite of your verbal masturbations,
>Since you want to call me a revolting little leech (which is pretty
>amusing considering that I weight well over 200 pounds),
>It becomes imcumbent on me to call you a moron who
>jumps to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence, and then publicly
>calls people names. Does the term "asshole" apply here?

You just stood by and watched your bunkies break another one's back and
_I'm_ the asshole? 

>]>Folks, the military is NOT a nice place, it is NOT a tea party, and it should
>]>NOT be a place to try out all our feel-good social experiments!
>]
>]It isn't a social experiment.  Gays are accepted as equal members of society
>]by all kinds of people.  The military is likely to be next...
>
>It is a social experiment. It hasn't been done yet, has it? That makes
>it an experiment. And no, gays are NOT accepted as equal members
>of society - try being gay and adopting a kid.

And this is the perfect time to try that experiment.  For people who have
the balls.  People who haven't probably needn't apply anyway.

   don
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