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From: bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP (Rick Harrison)
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Reply-To: bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 13:23:56 GMT

SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig) writes:

> In article <1992Dec29.110624.544@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu wri
> >[...]
> >If there is such a device [universal translator] in the combadges, it isn't 
> >mentioned in the Technical Manual.  This is still OK for whenever they have
> >contact with the ship because then the badge can send back and get 
> >translations from the ship's computer, but what about when the ship and
> >team get cut off from each other?
> 
> Don't know.  What brought this to mind was Kirk's comment in STVI (just 
> after getting inside the mine) about the uinversal translator 
> being confiscated.  I thought perhaps the Federation had developed something 

I believe most people in the federation (and most creatures who
deal with the Federation) learn a neutral language called
"Federation Standard" (I've seen references to it in the novels).
This way, Americans, Frenchmen, Vulcans, Klingons and so forth
can all communicate with each other, and each individual only
has to learn one additional language instead of several dozen.
I recall on a couple of occasions (once in "Contagion" I think)
Troi made reference to something being expressed in "Our Language"
(as opposed to "in English").
 
Things were different back in Classic Trek days.  When Spock and
Kirk found Zefram Cochran marooned on a distant planet, he
exclaimed with glee, "You speak English!"
 
By the way, the idea of using a neutral inter-language so that
people who speak many different languages can communicate is a
good one, and many languages have been invented for this purpose;
I publish a newsletter about this topic.
 
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From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:33:26 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec30.030652.6199@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
> In article <1hqeteINN79b@bigboote.WPI.EDU> norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>>
>>A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
>>Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
>>Can anyone clear this up?
>>
> 
> Yea...  Your friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
> 
> Either that or they consider R-rated films to be "porn".
> 
> Sigh.  WHEN will this idoitic excuse for a "rumor" EVER end?


well, what was it called????!!!
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "what about our OTHER friends" (minimal spoiler)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 13:06:53 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <cboerm48.724977071@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>Yeah, you're right they never do say 'other'. I'm not so sure that they 
>are refering to Picard and the others thou. I think that they're in league
>with teh Cards.

If they are conspiring with the Cardassians, don't you think they would
have made certain they found some excuse to get Troi off the ship?  An
empath who may be able to detect lies and deceit would be a major risk
to their scheme.  I'm not saying she would definitely detect their
duplicity, just that the risk of her stumbling onto them would be
unacceptably high.  They could have had Jellico bring his own chosen
counsellor aboard and reassigned Troi to the other ship.

No, I think they're probably on the level, or at least Jellico is.
There is, however, a spy in Starfleet, highly enough placed that
he or she was able to transmit highly detailed personnel records on
Picard to the Cardassians.  I think it unlikely they will be able
to ferret out the spy, at least at this time.

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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
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Subject: Re: B5
Date: 27 Dec 1992 19:25:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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You may have heard from others by now, but-- B5 is BABYLON 5,
a new SF series being developed by J. Michael Straczynski for
Warner Bros. TV; the pilot movie is scheduled to be broadcast
in syndication in February.  It is NOT a Star Trek series, but
it is said to be very similar in concept to DEEP SPACE NINE,
and Straczynski has claimed that he pitched the idea to Para-
mount years ago, hinting that they stole the idea for DEEP
SPACE NINE from him.  Legal action may result after both DS9
and B5 are actually on the air (though I hope not).

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
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Subject: Re: Chain of Command 1: Irony abounds (Spoilers)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:01:27 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <BzKsrn.Enn@demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk writes:

> In article <1992Dec20.164717.29544@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:
> :Captain Jellico is certainly entertaining.  No doubt he is better in
> :battle than Picard, who does not fare well against rowboats in a battle.
>                                                     ^^^^^^^^
> 
> Is this a reference to the Borg perhaps? :-)
> 
> [Old Harry Harrison joke recycled in reverse :)]

  I thought "robot" was a kind of boat with oars!!?!  :-)


semper fi,

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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 37 Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 10:51:07 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>n the referenced article, mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) write
>>n article <1g8g18INNiaf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cha
>>) writes:
>>>
>>> think an interesting story would have Data offered a ship.
>> really don't see this as very likely, a captain must exercise human
>>motion/intuition etc. in his decisions, while Data can compute with the best
>>f them and is coming around in the humanity department, he is not ready for a
>>ommand.

> This subject has already been covered by the TOS episode - "The
>alileo Seven" - where Spock found himself in command of a crashed
>huttlecraft.  In that episode, Spock used logic as his basis of
>ommand, and made many errors.  He didn't allow for the human
>motions of the crew, and based all his assumptions on pure logic
>ather than taking into account emotional issues.
> Data would have the same problem.  To him, the issues of command
>ould be mere intellectual puzzles, and intuitive decision making
>ould be lost on him.  A ships captain must be able to shape his
>ommand style based on the demands of his crew, and allow for all
>heir 'emotional impediments' too.
et cetra...

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One thing to remember about Spock and Data, though, is that Spock strives
to be more logical, and Data strives to be more human (I hate it when he
does that).  Data and Spock both envy the condition of the other.  Spock
has humanity within him which Data envies, and Data is pure logic which
Spock envies.  I think that Data would at least try to consider a problem
from a human perspective where Spock would try to ignore his human side
and tackle the problem from a logical perspective.  I agree, Data would
make an excellent captain.

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Tasha Yars daughter
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:43:18 GMT

mbaker@erenj.com (Michael Baker) writes:

>I am curious to know about something.  I recently say a STNG show with Tasha Yars
>daughter, who happens to be Romulan.  It was suggested in the show that Picard
>sent her back from the future to some time in the past where she was captured by
>Romulans.  While she was in the past, she apparently stayed tehre and mothered
>this Romulan child.  How could she have gone to the past on Picards orders when
>we all saw her killed?  Does anyone have any idea how this got by??? Maybe just
Oh, what's that episode's name. I should remeber, anyways, it's the episode
where we see the Enterprise-C in it. It explains (more or less) how it happens
there.


			CtB

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Why the shift from 3 to 4 section watch?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:16:31 EST

In article <tomcat.724832370@cwis>
tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
 
>
>nyoung@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>		**Rest of article deleted**
>	
>>So much for the writers having any experience in the "real world"
>>of military operations, eh?
>
>>Nils
>
>
>	Star Trek is not based on the military...it is based on exploration
>	which, from time to time, requires the vessels to enter combat
>	duty..but Starfleet is not a military organization.  Gene Roddenberry
>	got very angry when a fan (who happened to be an "Ensign" in a fan
>	club) asked him if Starfleet was, and an "Admiral" from the same
>	fan club stood up and yelled at the "ensign" saying he spoke out of
>	turn and will be subject to insubordination...Gene Roddenberry became
>	very angry and proceeded to tell the "admiral" that ST was not based
>	on the military.  Robert Justman took the microphone from Roddenberry
>	before Gene really got mad.  This was on the 25th Anniversary cruise
>	in June 1991.
>--
 
   I don't think Gene would disagree (though I've never met him... :-) ) that
while Starfleet is primarily an exploration organization, it does also serve
as Fed's military, and during wars, its primary duty becomes military.
   I think this is the heart of Jellico's dilemma.  He's one of the few people
(supposedly) who knows the absolute seriousness of the situation, and how
close the Fed is to a dangerous war with the Cardassians.  It's his job to
bring the E-D to a military stance when it has set in its non-military mode
for 6 years, AND he cannot tell them specifically why it is so imperative that
they go into a full war mode.  (Since I think Jellico himself was duped, it
may be natural that to Riker and Troi, Jellico seems paranoid.  It also
explains why he has to put up a strong front, erase the memory of Picard as
soon as possible, and internally, he is unsure of himself.)
   Let me clarify the above paragraph.  He can claim up and down the
Cardassians are planning suspicious moves, but he cannot give Riker et al.
full details, and thus cannot convince them (given some red herrings in the
past pulled by Romulans and Cardassians themselves on the E-D crew.)
   On the other hand, for all I know, Jellico is revealed to be a Cardassian
spy, and all my reasoning can be shot to hell.  I note that Picard and
Bev are the only crew members who could have overriden Jellico, and place
him off command, and security chief can monitor the ship and enforce a
sort of police state if required...
        Junsok Yang
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Latest ST:DSN Schedule (corrected)
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:04:01 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <4630@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<
<Here is the first of many postings regarding ST:DSN scheduling.
<
<
<1/2   1/02/93     		Emissary
<  3   1/09/93  404		Past Prologue
<  4   1/16/93  403		A Man Alone
<  5   1/23/93  405		Babel
<
<Unconfirmed:

Due to a transcription error on the part of the person that I got the list from
and a transcription error on my part, the unconfirmed section was in error.
Here is the corrected schedule:

As of 12/20/92

1/2   1/02/93     		Emissary
  3   1/09/93  404		Past Prologue
  4   1/16/93  403		A Man Alone
  5   1/23/93  405		Babel
  6   1/30/93  406		Captive Pursuit
  7   2/06/93  407		Q-Less
  8   2/13/93  408		Dax
  9   2/20/93  409		The Passenger
      2/27/93  401		Emissary, Pt I
      3/06/93  402		Emissary, Pt II
 10   3/13/93  410		Sore Losers

Unconfirmed:

 11   3/20/93  411		Friends and Foes
      3/27/93  404R		Past Prologue
      4/03/93  403R		A Man Alone
      4/10/93  405R		Babel
      4/17/93  406R		Captive Pursuit

The date is the first date of satellite uplink.  Paramount's official
'week of' is two days later.  Stardates will be added when known.
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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Captain taking helm
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:06:44 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>I believe one great way to improve the quality of Star Trek is to
>better define the talents of the bridge crew. Only once has the
>helmsman (Sulu) talents been needed. This was in STV. I really don't
>believe the bridge crew are given scenerios that require their talents.
>Too many times a bridge member is on break or something and a bridge
>flunkie has replaced him/her and they fill in with no problem.  Even in time
>of emergencies, the bridge flunkie has only once been a little unsure of
>him/her self (Schisms).  But we didn't get to see Riker show her how it's
>supposed to be done either. It appears that bridge crew talents are required
>everywhere except at their post.  In 'Booby trap' the captain took over the
>helm when a skilled helmsman was needed.  I would of thought the captain to be
>a little rusty to trust with such a delicate task at the helm.  We all know
>Sulu wouldn't have been ask to step aside in that instance.  It seems that
>the main talents the bridge crew has is the ability to beam somewhere and
>beam BACK!! The bridge flunkies have not mastered this duty. Although, they
<are getting better at it.  Perhaps the academy(Paramount) has gotten feedback
>on this, and beeft-up their beam back training program.  Are we not all too
>familiar with this:

I think that you all are right about the captain being rusty on helmsmanship
but I think that he took the helm not because he thought the regular
helmsman couldn't handle it.  I think he took the helm because he wanted
to take all responsibility if the ship were destroyed.  True, they probably
would have a better chance with a skilled helmsman driving but as it was
they made it.
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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 14:32:06 GMT

broehl@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Bernie Roehl) writes:

>In article <2121.2b461aad@mbcl.rutgers.edu> wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>>	It has been my impression that transporters cannor be
>>utilized thru shieds.  
>>The ship Geordi and Scottie are on 
>>clearly has the shields up - but are transported off the 
>>Gelico.  But I remember that shields were lowered to
>>transport the admiral-spy to a Romulan vessel

>It may have to do with the direction they're being transported.

Doubtful.  It sounds like a typical Trek contradiction.  If they'd shown the 
G-whiz's :)  shields buckling and then fading out before transporting Scottie
and Geordi, then maybe it'd be more acceptable.  (Never mind that the Big
E's shields might still be up!)

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From: nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith)
Subject: Re: COC2-- 5 lights!
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:46:15 GMT

====== POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR CHAIN OF COMMAND PART 2 ==============


cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jamais Cascio) writes:

>>At the end of CoC2, when Picard shouts that there are only four lights,
>>and then stumbles away, Gul Madred has quite an interesting smile on
>>his face-- one could almost call it triumphant.  My wife concluded that
>>Madred had, just before the final meeting with Picard, installed a
>>fifth light.  When Picard sees what are obviously five lights, he 
>>cannot accept what his eyes are telling him.
>>
>>Madred made Picard disconnect with reality, not by having him almost
>>admit to five lights, but by having him deny the fifth light!

gypsy@world.std.com (Meredith Lesly) writes:

>You may be right. The shot from Picard's POV at the lights was different
>at the end: I believe Gul Madred was standing up or something, obscuring
>part of the wall behind him. (This is from memory: can anyone with a tape
>check if my memory is functioning correctly?)

My wife caught this, too; I missed it the first time around, and had to go
back to look at the tape.  In this last scene, they carefully arrange the
cameras viewpoints to not show the lights at all, it seemed to me.  They
may very well have been trying to imply the existence of 5 lights.  Does
anyone with a good copy of the episode and a keen eye want to look for
shadows cast in the room and count them?

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From: tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer)
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Organization: Northern Telecom, Network Applications Systems, Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:53:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.155612.26559@cpqhou.compaq.com> roberts@cpqhou.UUCP (Bob Stewart) writes:
>>Spoilers Ho...
>>
>>Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
>>Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice
>>
>>*This* to me is how she should be used.  She can see right past people's
>>facads and tell how they really feel, how they probably will act and why.
>
>Argh.  I thought it was terrible.  In the middle of a crisis, when Jellico
>was taking charge and projecting confidence - trying to inspire courage in
>his crew - Troi exposes him.

Better that she says it upfront rather than letting your opponent's
empath relay it to his/her commanding officer first (and while we
don't know if the Cardassians have or use empaths, we don't know that
they don't, either).

>I'm sure that's what *I* would want if I were captain.  An empath to jump up
>during a conflict an tell my crew "Don't listen to him!  He's not as confident
>as he seems!" :-).

She didn't "jump up," she instead confided her feelings with the first
officer (and friend).  Actually, very professional.

Personally, it was one of the best uses of her empathic ability to
date on the series.
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From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:45:26 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <235@newave.newave.mn.org> john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
>In article <2121.2b461aad@mbcl.rutgers.edu> wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>> It has been my impression that transporters cannot be utilized thru shieds.
>
>This was hashed over extensively when Relics first aired.  The general
>consesus was that the Enterprise cannot transport through its own shields
>nor the shields of many of its neighbors ships, but the ship that LaForge

(Again) remember that the shields are not a single field, but rather an
overlapping shell of independent surfaces.  Naturally, in an alert situation
the ship needs full coverage, but in Relics all that was really needed was
fore and aft shields plus a reinforced structural integrity field.  With
one or more lateral shields down, there's an easy transport window, AND
the photorps can do a fine job of vaporizing the ship.

We know, quite apart from the Tech manual, that the shields are a
distributed array rather than a single entity, from individual episodes
where one or more of them are disabled by multiple hits ("Captain, number
4 shield is gone.")

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Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 13:54:01 MST
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Subject: Re: DS9 Preview Film
 <pavlovic.19.725609407@ehsc.orst.edu> <C00Dqw.B5u@well.sf.ca.us>
 <4658@vidiot.UUCP>

I have the full 52 minute release preview for Deep Space Nine on tape,
along with around 40 minutes worth of Babylon 5 previews, and a short
5 minute preview for Time Trax.
From: RiTz@eckert (Richard Taillon)
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Subject: Re: Uniforms and their colors
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:52:14 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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greywolf@draco.unm.edu  says:
>    If uniform color is set to a department (as in the old series),
> then why did Data use a blue uniform in Chain of Command II?  
 
Data's uniform looked RED to me! If you are referring to Troi, indeed
she wore a Blue uniform.

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