HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [eff.mail.cwis-l]  Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,eff.mail.cwis-l
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:07:27 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: eff.mail.cwis-l
From: BUNTON@UTSW.bitnet
Subject:  Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:23:00 GMT

Mr. Kadie has gone to great lengths in arguing his position regarding
intellectual freedom and should be commended for such a thorough treatment.
While I may not agree with his position, I can appreciate the work that
has gone into his consideration. I do believe, however, it is very important
to make a point very clear. He comments that "such a policy in a library
would be a violation of the intellectual freedom policies of the American
Library Association" regarding the idea of restrictive collection policies.
The point which needs to be emphasized and clearly understood is that the
ALA policies are simply the feelings of a particular group of people with
a particular political bent and do not hold any authority over individual
professional librarians nor to library organizations in general, nor should
they in any way be confused or considered in the same light as constitutional
and legal law and precedent. In any question of intellectual freedom and
first amendment considerations, the only area which ultimately holds weight
is what the law allows and provides, regardless of what a professional
organization may hold as their opinion.

Glenn Bunton
Head, Educational Technology Laboratory
UT Southwestern Medical Center
Dallas, Texas
bitnet: bunton@utsw
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship,soc.college
From: steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Stephen Hebditch)
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Organization: TQM Communications, London, UK
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:48:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.140851.10720@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>The document was not about illegalities or illegal censorship, it was
>about banning material in general.

There is a problem, though, that the document could be viewed as a list
of organisations with bad policies on academic freedom. Carl Kadie
himself wrote in another article:-

>Also, if your school is on the list, you might want to send it to your
>campus paper as a press release with a catchy title: "University of
>Somewhere on international list of computer censors".

This would not seem to be fair on educational establishments in some
countries which might have admirable policies on such matters and where
the staff are all highly committed to academic freedom, but are
constrained by local laws prohibiting them carrying certain material on
their computer networks.

-- 
Stephen Hebditch  TQM Communications  steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk +44 836 825962
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [eff.mail.libadmin]  RE:  Academic Computing
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,eff.mail.libadmin
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:57:39 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: eff.mail.libadmin
From: ACADHALL@STMARYTX.BITNET
Subject:  RE:  Academic Computing
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:14:00 GMT

Peggie,
We've struggled a bit with the isue of "where" academic computing
belongs here at St. Mary's University and have at least discussed
the possibility of merging with the computer center, the media production
center, telephone folks and a few others to create a new entity similar
to the Columbia model.
I suspect it's more difficult, not less, for a small institution with
a proportionally smaller bureaucracy than the big Univ.'s have.  Adding
anothe VP position at a small school is a large investment, not just
in dollars, but also in power-sharing.  Among other things, computer
centers traditionally started out, in small universities, as part of
a "financial administration" operation, mostly taking care of university
business.  Over time, most of them began to support academics as well
and their missions sprawled across a number of heirarchically distinct
parts of the campus:  financial, academic student development, institutional
relations.  Yet, most remained reporting to the financial VP.
   I think it makes sense to merge these functions, but have some
hesitation that makes me resist pushing it at this time:
        1)  We're a faculty status for librarians institution with all
the perks and responsibilities.  Faculty status here is conferred only
by the academic wing of the institution and we wold lose that status
for all new librarians if were not a part of that group, reporting to
that VP.
        2)  Probably, the current library director (me) would take over
direction of the combined centers (the LRC and Learning Assistance
Center already report to me), but there's no way to guarantee that until
after the decision is made.  I wold not want to "report" to the current
Computer Center Director, though he's a good friend, and, because of the
nature of academic libraries wold prefer reporting to the current
Academic VP instead of a new VP whose primary focus may not be
academics.
   Our current structure works for us:  The computer Center Director
and Library Director are permanent members of the university Computer
Policy committee (a twelve member organization that charts our automated
course and reports directly to the President).  The two directors work
closely on all network implentations (whether library-related or not).
    I'm not sure, in a small institution, that (considering potential
problems) we need much mmore than that close working relationship.
With a plea that all those typos above be excused,
--Palmer Hall
  Library Director
  St. Mary's University
  San Antonio, Texas   [Internet ACADHALL@vax.stmarytx.edu]
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.144935.14519@news2.cis.umn.edu> thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:

>Look, guys, *words* *have* *meaning*, and the Constitution is made of
>words.  Some of this stuff has clear meanings.  I think there is a useful
>distinction between what the Constitution plainly says and what the Supreme
>Court claims it says.

Really? What's the distinction between what the Fourth Amendment says is
a "reasonable search" and what the Supreme Court says it is? What's the
difference between what the Eighth Amendment says about "cruel and unusual
punishment" and what the Supreme Court says about it?

Indeed, since the First Amendment, written in the 18th century, refers to
"press" and "speech," don't the "clear meanings" of those words, as used
in an 18th-century document, mean that this very discussion we are having
is *not* protected by the First Amendment?

I ask these questions in order to challenge your assumption that laws and
Constitutions can function independently of interpretation. They cannot.


--Mike


 

-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship,soc.college
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Sysadmin for a Day, was Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:17:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.93735.4584@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>>[...]
[talking about banning Crack code from system]

>I offer alternatives in every situation.  For those interested
>in Crack, I offer various texts on cryptography, the DoD Password
>Management Guideline (which includes some interesting information),
>"sanitized" log files from my own runs of Crack, and the source code
>in hardcopy form.  [If someone can argue that the only way to under-
>stand Crack is to run it, I'd like to hear it.]

    I think there is a better way to stop the execution of Crack. It is the
same thing used to halt runaway programs written by students. Have a policy
of CPU time limits on processes. They do that at Columbia's central computer
center (I'm in the bio department).
    This means a content neutral ban that will effectively stop students from
using Crack. It really sucks up the computer time. I run it regularly even
though I am not the sysadmin here. The last time I did a complete run, it
used about 10000 CPU minutes (on an otherwise idle workstation).
    I won't say that the only way to understand Crack is to run it, but
you will get a much better feel for it easier if you do. I don't have a
deep understanding of it even now, but it is by playing with it that you
learn.
    Of course, it is by running Crack yourself that you make your system
safe. There is very little stopping anyone on your system from running
Crack on thier own machines at home or something.

DanZ

-- 
    "I think it is a little premature to attribute the failures of American
     foriegn policy to Carl Kadie."
                                                     -Mike Godwin
This article for entertainment purposes only.
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.admin.policy
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: have a perfectly dreadful day
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:21:05 GMT


Feel Like Shit
Deja Vu.


                            R ****
                             I
                              C
                          **** K	

Newsgroups: alt.good.morning,talk.bizarre
From: cdimick@javelin.sim.es.com (Clint Dimick)
Subject: Re: have a perfectly dreadful day
Reply-To: cdimick@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:10:03 GMT

rdc@netcom.com (MR. COMMUNIST) writes:

>To insure gooley continues to have a bad sleep call

>1-800-up-gooley  or 1-303-541-9182

>hugs,

>carasso

...but for a truely enlightening experience, call: 801-288-0887.  Almost sure
to make your ears bleed.
-- 
"Major corporations make decisions that lead people   | Clint Dimick = cdimick@
 to adopt harmful products, such as alcohol, tobacco, | javelin.sim.es.com = I
 and sugar-coated cereals." - _Human_Societies_ 6thed.| speak for myself, thank
 Your average overpriced, opinionated college text.   | you. Wow: 801-288-0887!
From: clasemjf@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel F. Clasemann 1576312)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: World Series
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:29:45 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

Au

Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Keywords: 

I say the Braves in five!
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: terjef@dhhalden.no (TERJE FRAFJORD)
Subject: Re: Me and my wife now :-)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:28:03 GMT

In article <phineas02733920830120952@brombeer.sta.sub.org> phineas@brombeer.sta.sub.org (Stephan Freundorfer) writes:
>From: phineas@brombeer.sta.sub.org (Stephan Freundorfer)
>Subject: Me and my wife now :-)
>Date: 30 Sep 92 19:09:52 GMT
>Hi there!
>
>
>I just wanted to thank everyone who send his congratulations to me.
>
>The church and the wedding party were great, everything really went
>fine (finer as I expected). And, one gift from good friends of us
>was a weekend in Vienna plus tickets for 'Phantom of the opera'. So
>we had a little honeymoon in the end.
>
>Just happy,
>Stephan. 
>
>--
>Stephan Freundorfer               phineas@brombeer.sta.sub.org
>Munich/Germany
>+49 89-7256359      "Vertrauen sie mir, ich weiss was ich tue"
From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: World Series
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:32:31 GMT
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com

It was close but, the Atlanta Braves are on their way to the World Series!!!!!!!!!
From: gnut@lrs.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Stefan Schleifer)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Girlfriend will be back!
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:29:45 GMT
Organization: LRS

Hi u,

it is 2:27 am now here and im looking forward to 0645 when my girlfriend
arrives back in frankfurt from her holiday in states!

Thats a REAL GOOD NEWS since i like her and will not be away from her 
for another two weeks!

Greetings to all lovers

Stefan

PS: Shes been around miami / Fort Lauderdale / Key West / Orlando and so on...
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Helpful Tips For This week
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:21:02 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

abacus@global.Gwinnett.COM writes:
:
|			ABACUS GLOBAL SUPPORT, INC.
|  			  HELPFULL HINTS ON 1-2-3
|			      FOR PCs AND MACs
|
|
|There is a quick way to adjust column widths with 1-2-3 ver. 2.3 and 1-2-3 for Windows.  Place the mouse 
|pointer on the right boarder of the colume title.  The cursur will change to a double headed arrow pointing 
:
|				COURTASY OF:
|--
|Abacus Global Support, Inc.            INTERNET: abacus@global.gwinnett.com
|9566 N.W. 41 Street                    COMPUSERVE: 71201.1201@compuserve.com
|Miami, FL   33178
|VOICE: 1-800-848-9192    BBS: 1-800-643-3630

Thanks! Now can you tell me a quick way to adjust column widths when
posting a usenet article?

Tx. [didn't even mention the spelling either]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: abacus@global.Gwinnett.COM
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Helpful Tips For This week
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:59:08 GMT
Organization: ABACUS GLOBAL SUPPORT, INC., MIAMI, FLORIDA


			ABACUS GLOBAL SUPPORT, INC.
  			  HELPFULL HINTS ON 1-2-3
			      FOR PCs AND MACs


There is a quick way to adjust column widths with 1-2-3 ver. 2.3 and 1-2-3 for Windows.  Place the mouse 
pointer on the right boarder of the colume title.  The cursur will change to a double headed arrow pointing 
left and right, this indicates that you can change the width of the cell by dragging the pointer either left or 
right.  Once the column is set to your width just let the mouse botton go.

To center a heading using 1-2-3 ver. 1.3 or 2.3's WYSIWYG that occupies several columns just load 
WYSIWYG from the add-in options (ALT F10).  From the WYSIWYG menu, select Text, Align, and 
Center or what ever format you perfer.  Highlight the range of the heading and press Enter.  To align the 
heading with the column it corresponds to, choose Text and Clear, highlight the range of cells with the 
headings, then press Enter.   For 1-2-3 for Windows, select the cells that you want centered then click the 
Center SmartIcon.  

To set your 1-2-3 to go into a directory your in by typing the program name provided that 1-2-3 is in your 
PATH statement.  Open 1-2-3 then select Worksheet, Global, Default, Directory.  Delete the current 
directory then press Enter and then select Update.  This will allow you to start up 1-2-3 from any directory 
you in and work with the worksheets saved in that directory.

To move around a large spreadsheet quickly and efficiently you can use the F5 (GOTO) key for the range 
prompt or F3 (NAME) for a short list of range names.  By pressing F3 twice, you can see a full screen 
listing of range names.

				COURTASY OF:
--
Abacus Global Support, Inc.            INTERNET: abacus@global.gwinnett.com
9566 N.W. 41 Street                    COMPUSERVE: 71201.1201@compuserve.com
Miami, FL   33178
VOICE: 1-800-848-9192    BBS: 1-800-643-3630
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: latarra@buhub.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: fall break
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:12:55 GMT

This weekend, and for the Tuesday and Monday afterwards, I get to go home.
Yes, HOME!  Granted I can't relax since I have a test the Thursday after I
get back, but still, I get to go home, and walk through the leaves with my
boyfriend.  I love the fall with all the colors and the crunchy leaves
and the smell of fall.  *sigh*  :)
--
"Is you in, or is you ain't?"
"You cannot just grab a penis and make it erect." 

Fuzzies to everybody who wants them...New shipments every Thursday.
From: abacus@global.Gwinnett.COM
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Helpful Tips For This week
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:55:39 GMT
Organization: ABACUS GLOBAL SUPPORT, INC., MIAMI, FLORIDA


			ABACUS GLOBAL SUPPORT, INC.
  			  HELPFULL HINTS ON 1-2-3
			      FOR PCs AND MACs


There is a quick way to adjust column widths with 1-2-3 ver. 2.3 and 1-2-3 for Windows.  Place the mouse 
pointer on the right boarder of the colume title.  The cursur will change to a double headed arrow pointing 
left and right, this indicates that you can change the width of the cell by dragging the pointer either left or 
right.  Once the column is set to your width just let the mouse botton go.

To center a heading using 1-2-3 ver. 1.3 or 2.3's WYSIWYG that occupies several columns just load 
WYSIWYG from the add-in options (ALT F10).  From the WYSIWYG menu, select Text, Align, and 
Center or what ever format you perfer.  Highlight the range of the heading and press Enter.  To align the 
heading with the column it corresponds to, choose Text and Clear, highlight the range of cells with the 
headings, then press Enter.   For 1-2-3 for Windows, select the cells that you want centered then click the 
Center SmartIcon.  

To set your 1-2-3 to go into a directory your in by typing the program name provided that 1-2-3 is in your 
PATH statement.  Open 1-2-3 then select Worksheet, Global, Default, Directory.  Delete the current 
directory then press Enter and then select Update.  This will allow you to start up 1-2-3 from any directory 
you in and work with the worksheets saved in that directory.

To move around a large spreadsheet quickly and efficiently you can use the F5 (GOTO) key for the range 
prompt or F3 (NAME) for a short list of range names.  By pressing F3 twice, you can see a full screen 
listing of range names.

				COURTASY OF:
--
Abacus Global Support, Inc.            INTERNET: abacus@global.gwinnett.com
9566 N.W. 41 Street                    COMPUSERVE: 71201.1201@compuserve.com
Miami, FL   33178
VOICE: 1-800-848-9192    BBS: 1-800-643-3630
From: stewahd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: yes
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:52:40 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

fatty $3
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: FOR MY BROTHER
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:39:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Hi Good News People,

I am posting this for my brother who is looking for a female
with which to correspond by U.S. mail (he does not have computer
access.)

He is 29 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 6' tall, and being
his little sister, I have no clue how much he weighs.  

He wants to write letters to someone on the basis of a friendship.

If you are interested, please e-mail me and I will tell you more
and give you his address.

Thanks.

Chris.  :)

P.S. I am sure he would like to hear some good news :)
From: bethke@Mathematik.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Frank Bethke)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Hello world !
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:40:18 GMT
Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG


  Who are you !
From: bigstar@stein.u.washington.edu (J. Paschel)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Help needed on tattletales :0)
Keywords: tattletales
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:32:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington



I am a graduate student in Sociology at the University of Washington.  As
part of a seminar on methodological problems related to the study of
Deviance, we are attempting to come up with a plan for studying juvenile
tattletales.  This is one segment of a broader proposal to study all types
of snitches, from corporate whistle blowers, to honor code upholders, to
kindergarten tattletales. ...Yes, we are getting many millions of your tax
dollars to sit around and think of such issues :)

I am choosing to define juvenile tattle-tales as those children between
roughly the ages of 4 to 8 who seem to display a pattern of tattletale
behavior.  By "tattletale behavior" I mean repeated warnings or pleas to
an adult that another young child has done something "wrong". 

What I am interested in is any information which you feel might be of
interest.  Such info may include (but is not limited to) the following: 

- Citations of possible references in any of the pertinent literatures to
  this topic. 

- First hand accounts of your experiences with juvenile tattletales.

- Your thoughts, feelings, or insights on possible origins of this behavior.  

- Anything else you feel appropriate.

If desired, I will certainly post a summary of whatever info I get.  If
you have any advice, suggestions, or comments, please feel free to e-mail. 
Please direct all correspondence to: 

		bigstar@stein.u.washington.edu

Thank you for your time, attention, thoughts, and comments.
Xref: sparky alt.child-support:3488 misc.legal:18721 soc.men:17762 misc.kids:26114 alt.dads-rights:2457
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:13:42 GMT

In article <20840035@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com ( Kingsley Morse) writes:
 
> 7.) What religion are you?
> Protestant         [ ]
> Catholic           [ ]
> Jewish             [ ]
> Other              [ ]
 
What a foolish, insular attitude this question demonstrates!  Yes, three
mono-theistic religions developed in the Near East; but these are Judaism,
Mohammedism, and Christianity (of which Protestantism and Catholicism are
but two branches).  How about the multi-theistic religions which developed
in Middle Asia, and the non-theistic religions which developed in the Far
East?  Not to mention worship of "nature gods" and fetish worship.
 
Are you interested in how religion affects attitudes toward responsibility,
Kingsley?  Start reading on ethics and religious philosophy.
 
>9.) How many years of education have you completed?
 
<snort>  Think less-educated people are stupider?  Smarter?  Less/more
willing to cooperate with the "social compact"?  Less/more wise?
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
Xref: sparky alt.child-support:3460 soc.men:17487 soc.women:17496 alt.dads-rights:2436
From: mstemper@ems.cdc.com (Michael Stemper)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women,alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Dad-Kid Divorce Prohibition: Use vs Abuse
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:08:52 GMT
Reply-To: mstemper@ems.cdc.com
Followup-To: alt.child-support
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of Ceridian

In article <1992Oct7.203305.23322@u.washington.edu>, zzz@u.washington.edu (EuStress) writes:
|>                                ... Even the biggest dolt
|> knows that there must be only ONE person with "Primary Custody".

No, ONLY the biggest dolt thinks that, Jeff.

-- 
#include <Standard_Disclaimer.h>
Michael F. Stemper
Power Systems Consultant
mstemper@ems.cdc.com