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From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Computer Software
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 08:52:12 MST
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY

I was asked to post this for someone who doesn't have access yet to the
newsgroup:

From: Arun Welch <welch@cis.ohio-state.edu>

In-reply-to: fielding@unixg.ubc.ca's message of 22 Jan 93 20:55:52 GMT
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Re: looking for Comp Sys for Dental practices
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In <4888@seti.inria.fr> dabaghi@menusin.inria.fr (Fadi El Dabaghi) writes:

>I am looking for informations about any advanced computerized
>system for dental practices (patient's data, color or b/w graphics
>showing patients history with automatic invoicing, electronic
>appointment list, diagnostics, treatments and periodontal treatments,
>librairies,...). I have a pc (Note Star NP-913, 60 mb mem and a proc
>intel 386dx) running with Dos. 

About 2 years ago my wife (who's a dentist) asked me to help her pick
a system for her office. It's appalling how incredibly bad most of the
systems are, especially in the case of system security. If they
actually bother to use user-names and passwords they're invariably
stored in plain-text. We finally decided on SoftDent as being the
least evil of the lot, but even it's got some huge security holes.
Their support staff is pretty brain-dead too. The entire industry
seems to be built on the assumption that dentists and their staff are
computer-naive so they should take advantage of that.

I might still have the report and checksheet we used for deciding on
the system, I'll see what I can dig up. I think we looked at about
10-15 systems.

Feel free to email me if you have any questions, or if you'd like you
can ask her at jody@anzus.com.

...arun
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Anzus Consulting
welch@anzus.com


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From: wdao@aludra.usc.edu (Walter Dao)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Dental Office smell ...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:03:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Actually the smell you get is Good smell, the smell of clean.
(beats smelling formaldehyde or ground tooth dust powder) (jet is something 
to be used to) (oh well after a while one gets immune to it ... blocking it 
out like a background noise)...

					Walt

ps : nothing beats the smell of the inside of a provisional that has been in
     the mouth for some amount of time ... more potent than tear gas / mace .
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: rod@hostname.austin.ibm.com (Rod (Woody) Dunsmore)
Subject: Re: Modern braces
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:54:31 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <No3TXB2w165w@stat.com> david@stat.com (David Dodell) writes:
>rod@hostname.austin.ibm.com (Rod (Woody) Dunsmore) writes:
>
>> Has anyone out there ever heard of braces that can
>> be put on the insides of your teeth so that no one can 
>> see them...I remember hearing about them, but I have never
>> seen them (maybe they work!)...
>
>They do exist, but can not be used in all situations due to exerting
>less torque on the teeth.  And sometimes treatment can even take longer.
>
>You can also explore non-metal banding, which uses a clear bracket
>instead of a metal one.  These are virtually un-noticeable, except at
>very very close distances.
>

Does anyone happen to have anykind of a price range on
the inside braces and/or the clear braces?

How about a ball-park figure on treatment length in either case?

Thanks to everyone who has replied...

			Rod
From: gove@radar.bu.edu (Alan Norwood Gove)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Removing teeth before getting braces
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:03:12 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems

Hi,

my girlfriend, age 28, recently saw an orthodontist for a consultation
on whether or not to get braces.  I was present, and we both trusted
this man and appreciated the amount of time he spent explaining
things to us.  Everyone agreed that she has a malocclusion and that
braces would probably correct the problem.

What bothered us was that the orthodontist wanted to remove three
healthy teeth to begin the orthodontic program.  I understand the
concept of sacrificing a few teeth for the good of the whole mouth,
but is it normal to do this?

Thanks for your help.

alan
From: dabaghi@menusin.inria.fr (Fadi El Dabaghi)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: looking for Comp Sys for Dental practices
Keywords: Dental
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:46:10 GMT
Reply-To: dabaghi@menusin.inria.fr (Fadi El Dabaghi)
Organization: INRIA Domaine de Voluceau Rocquencourt France

I am looking for informations about any advanced computerized
system for dental practices (patient's data, color or b/w graphics
showing patients history with automatic invoicing, electronic
appointment list, diagnostics, treatments and periodontal treatments,
librairies,...). I have a pc (Note Star NP-913, 60 mb mem and a proc
intel 386dx) running with Dos. 
Thanks for replying on my email : dabaghi@menusin.inria.fr
From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: New dentist on board
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:09:07 MST
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY

Hello, just wanted to introduce myself to the newsgroup and say how happy 
I am to see this finally come to fruit.
 
I am a general dentist in private practice in Scottsdale, Arizona.
 
I would like to see discussions on how individuals feel about new 
materials, methods, problems with insurance companies etc, basically 
anything that affects daily practice.
 
Hope to hear from others.
 
David 

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From: wdao@girtab.usc.edu (Walter Dao)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Dentists and dental students ! forward !
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:42:24 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu


This is a fourth year dental student typing. Come on ! if you are in dental
school or are a dentist, make a step forward ...

Is it me or is Dental school similar to Hell on earth ???


							Walt

ps : to take the state board in California, one has to pay the amount of 
     $600. amazing huh ?
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: lubkin@apollo.hp.com ()
Subject: Clean toothbrushes
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:42:00 GMT
Organization: rarely

How much of an issue is bacterial growth on toothbrushes?

What to do?

I recall reading something about an expensive gadget that
cleaned toothbrushes with UV.  Does anyone know more 
about this?  (Does it work?  Who makes it?  How much does
it cost?  Where do I get one?)


-- David Lubkin.
From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Re: Ripoffs & Regulation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:48:22 MST
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY

jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:

> non-dentist, relative of dentist etc.) in your response.
 
While there are problems in any profession, how do you expect a lay 
person to know what I am doing is correct (I am a dentist) ... I have 4 
years of school training plus 10 years of clinical experience.  Like any 
profession, I expect to be judged by peers, not by some consumer council 
that hasn't the foggiest idea what is entailed in completing a procedure.
 
How do you know you aren't being ripped off?  Suggestions:
 
(1) Does your dentist show you the problem, and spend time with you
    explaining why a procedure needs to be done?
 
(2) Do they give you options on treatment, or explain why only one option
     is the only real possibility?
 
(3) If you don't feel confident in the dentist's explanation, and tell
    them you wish a second opinion, what is the reaction?  (ie when
     my patient's ask for a second opinion, I tell them that is fine with
     me, let them pick someone indepedent of my recommendations and then
     offer to send radiographs and records)
 
(4) There is a certain amount of trust when you go to any professional, 
be it physician, dentist, lawyer, computer programmer, etc.  If the 
relationship is not there, it never will be, and you should find someone 
who you feel more comfortable with.
 
david

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From: jbach@rsal.gatech.edu (Jill K. Bach)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: metal vs. ceramic braces for stained teeth
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:38:10 GMT
Reply-To: Jill.Bach@gtri.gatech.edu
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst., Radar Systems Applications Lab

Has anyone ever seen ceramic braces used on an individual with
tetracycline(sp?) stained teeth.  I was wondering if ceramic braces in
this case would look worse than metal braces.

-- 
Jill K. Bach
GTRI/RSAL
E-mail:  Jill.Bach@gtri.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:54:08 EST
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Re: Hubby's toothache
Distribution: world

Many thanks to those of you who commented both by e-mail and posts on
Craig's problem.

The dentist did check for hairline cracks, using a probe which sent an
electric impulse through the tooth, and showed some sort of data on a
screen.  Craig isn't sure how it worked, but it didn't show anything
unusual.

Later, he ran a fever, so he began taking antibiotics.  That seemed to help
somewhat.  But we'd still like to know what is going on.

Thanks again,

Paula & Craig
From: sammon@nyx.cs.du.edu (shawn ammon)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Help request
Summary: need help verifying citation
Keywords: dental practice
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:44:41 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.


Hello
I'm a reference librarian in Omaha, Nebraska.
One of my faculty is getting ready to publish and needs
page numbers for an article he got from ADA.
ADA has since misplaced the journal in question.
The article is not indexed in Index to Dental Literature
or Science Citation Index.  

The article I'm trying to find page numbers for is:
"Electronic Dental Anesthesia," by Leon M. Silverstone,
from the magazine, DENTAL PRACTICE v.27 #11, June 1, 1989.

Please e-mail replies to ammons@parrot.creighton.edu
       voice phone (402) 280-5138
       fax         (402) 280-5134

Thanks for any help 
Shawn Ammon
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: knobel@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Laura Knobel)
Subject: Re: Dentists and dental students ! forward !
Followup-To: sci.med.dentistry
Organization: St. Olaf College
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:01:41 GMT

In article <8w3TXB4w165w@stat.com>, david@stat.com (David Dodell) wrote:

> > Is it me or is Dental school similar to Hell on earth ???

Don't tell me that!  I just spent hours^3000 and just about as much money
filling out applications, sending them in, and next semester of undergrad
(last one) will consist solely of jumping through various hoops to make 
admissions happy.

And you're trying to tell me that it won't be worth it?????? !!!!!! ?????

*sigh*

:)
-Laura Knobel
St. Olaf College
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: cass@IASTATE.EDU (ugly old hag)
Subject: A dentist wannabe 
Reply-To: cass@IASTATE.EDU (ugly old hag)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:05:50 GMT

Hello dentist newsgroup readers.  I am just staring down the road of my college
career and have decided that I would like to be a dentist someday.  I am
a resident of Iowa so I probably will go to the dental school at the University
of Iowa.  I'm writing in the hopes that I can meet some people who are in
dental school now, or are even out working.  If any one thinks they have
any advice for me I'll be happy to read it.  Please feel free to e-mail me
or respond via this newsgroup.  Thank you.

         -- Cassandra Biggerst
             (cass@iastate.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: anderson@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Chris Anderson)
Subject: Cloves and teeth
Summary: Chewing cloves--is it hazardous?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:47:06 GMT
Keywords: cloves damage discolor


Has anything been written about chewing cloves and the effect
it has on teeth--discoloration, decay, etc.?  I enjoy the flavor
and the cost, which is minimal compared to sugary breath mints, but
wonder if it is safe.
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Dentists' Offices' Smell
Reply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:03:30 GMT


I have been to dentists' ofices in several states in the
United States, and they all seem to have that
same unusual smell.  I'd be curious to learn about
the following:

1.  What causes that smell?

2.  Does continually smelling that odor lead to
any health complications?

3.  After years of exposure to that odor, can
dentists and others _still_ detect that odor?

4.  Has anyone taken any steps to eliminate that
odor?  

Many people I've talked with believe that their
blood pressure and heart rate both increase
dramatically when they step into a dentist's office ,
principally due to the odor triggering some sort 
of psycho-physiological response.   I have heard
of dentists who choose office decorations, paint schemes,
etc. to reduce their patients' levels of anxiety, and I
was curious to know about measures taken to remove
the smell.
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: denise@isl.stanford.edu (Denise M. Cuevas)
Subject: Re: What about mercury in my mouth?
Organization: Information Systems Lab, Stanford University
Distribution: sci.med.dentistry
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:36:45

Responding to Len Weisberg's post requesting info on having amalgam
fillings replaced:

I have begun to have my mercury amalgam fillings replaced, so here's
the guinea pig's point of view. There are three alternatives I know
of: gold, porcelain and plastic composite. I tried the first and the
third.

Gold is good because it is malleable somewhat like the amalgam
fillings. But gold shines in a `non-cosmetic' way and it costs a lot.
My insurance will only pay the cost of amalgam fillings, so I was out
of pocket a couple hundred for just one filling. It made sense,
though, because it was a back tooth and the cavity was quite large, so
it was like getting a cap.

Porcelain is nice and white, but it isn't malleable and it won't last
very long. And it costs as much as gold.

Plastic composites cost about as much as amalgam and are white, but
they are `installed' with a stinky (toxic?) glue and are not
malleable. They are supposed to last 5 to 15 years or so. I won't get
any more plastic composite fillings in the future partly because of
the glue used to hold them in place and especially because they aren't
malleable. If they aren't malleable, chewing can feel like someone is
poking a steel rod into the exposed nerve ending in my cavity. I went
back several times to have my dentist shave the composites to conform
more to my bite, but the problem was never entirely resolved. I may
even decide to have those removed in favor of gold.

I hope there's a lot of research being done for alternative filling
materials which aren't as expensive or garish as gold but which work
as well as amalgam.

I imagine that some of the dentists and dentist wannabes reading this
newsgroup will flame me for being a weird radical and will tell me I'm
paranoid. I really have done a lot of reading on mercury amalgams, pro
and con, and have decided to be on the safe side. If you take
precautions when handling the stuff, then I can be allowed to be
paranoid about you putting it into my body. I think you're going to
run across more and more folks like me, so it might be time to really
rethink the fillings issue and be willing to offer good alternatives.
We may be skittish about technology and some of its drawbacks
(cancer?), but we still want you to cure our toothaches! We definitely
want it both ways!

Since I'm on the subject, I thought I'd mention that I won't be
allowing myself to be x-rayed anymore. (I know, I know, the dosage is
SO low...) But again, if it's not good for a human fetus, I don't care
to have it done to me unless the problem were immediately
life-threatening. I hope dentistry schools are encouraging students
not to rely so heavily on x-rays for finding cavities. There's gotta
be a better way!

Denise Cuevas
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: mryan@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Whiter smile.!
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:45:06 GMT

In article <1k0oq7$s8e@DIALix.oz.au>, oroper@DIALix.oz.au (Ocean Routes) writes:
>[...]
> the dentist for a scale and polish there are still areas which have
> light brown stains! Also are there any products  which really do help
> keep these stains at bay. This may sound all a bit vain but once the
> stains start to reappear I become very consious of them

Ask your dentist about bleaching.  It may be appropriate for you if the
stains are not too dark.

I have severely discolored teeth due to taking Tetracycline as a child.
My dentist told me bleaching wouldn't help in my case, so I eventually 
had bonding done on 6 upper teeth.  I got estimates from several dentists
ranging from $40/tooth to $180/tooth!  Since insurance doesn't cover this
I chose the $40/tooth dentist.  I am thrilled with the results.

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Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland

mryan@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: pce9202@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Patricia Emily)
Subject: Broken Front Tooth...
Organization: Boeing
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:31:52 GMT


			

		WHAT TO DO ABOUT A BROKEN TOOTH???

My sister injured her front upper tooth as a child.  The nerve in the tooth
atrophied and died over the years.  Now the problem is that the whole tooth
fell out.  She had it "glued" in, but it is not a long-term solution.

She is looking for a conservative, long-term solution.  She was told about
teeth that are "screwed" into the bone of the tooth socket.  However, she
was told that this is painful, and may have other problems associated with
it.  She mentioned another solution ( a partial??) maybe, but I can't 
remember at the moment.

I am posting this hoping for some information, or someone with a similar 
experience.  She is looking for the most conservative approach possible 
(i.e. no surgery, or painful prosthetics, etc.)  

Please excuse my incomplete knowledge of the dental technology.  I'm 
hoping some one can supply some information, or resource I could investigate.

Thank You!


Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: logier@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (Rob Logie)
Subject: Re: Hubby's toothache
Organization: Telecom Australia, TNE Computer Support Services
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:50:47 GMT

<PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>My hubby has had a toothache for three weeks.  He has been to the dentist
>twice, but the dentist can't find the problem.  He x-rayed the tooth on the
>first visit and said there was no abcess, cavity, or cracked filling that he
>could see.  He desensitized the tooth and gave Craig ineffective pain
>medication.

>After the second visit to the dentist, Craig went to the family doctor,
>thinking maybe he had a sinus infection or something like that.  Since he
>wasn't running a fever, the doctor didn't give him antibiotics, but he did
>give him stronger painkillers.  Still, Craig is having trouble sleeping and
>is really hurting.  The dentist called two nights ago to check on him and
>said if he's still in pain next week to come back in.

>Any suggestions?

>Many thanks,

>Paula

Again, could be sensitivity.  Make sure the dentist cleaned ALL the tartar 
away from his teath, especially around where the gums meet his teath.  Then
get him to use a de-sensitising tooth paste regularly, and to floss 
regularly.

I have had a similar problem, and after visits to a few different dentists,
sensitivity was found to be the problem.

I guess the best other advice is to try a different dentist as well !
(No discredit to you current dentist, but another opion can be worth while)



    
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From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Re: Modern braces
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:55:21 MST
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY

rod@hostname.austin.ibm.com (Rod (Woody) Dunsmore) writes:

> Does anyone happen to have anykind of a price range on
> the inside braces and/or the clear braces?
> 
> How about a ball-park figure on treatment length in either case?

This is such a generalized question, it can't be answered.  Each
orthodontic case is different, and depending on the difficulty can take
anyplace from several months, to 2 to 3 years.  Cost varies on difficult
of the case.

Have a consultation with an orthodontist and find out what would be
involved in your particular situation.

david

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From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Re: Cross bite
Keywords: cross bite
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:13:08 MST
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY

hougen@focus.csl.uiuc.edu (Darrell Roy Hougen) writes:

> My upper teeth are inside my lower teeth, ie., I have a cross bite
> problem.  It appears to me that the problem would be corrected if the
> upper teeth were moved forward about 1/4 inch.  I have talked to a
> couple dentists and they recommended oral surgery to correct the
> problem.  However, its not worth it to me to have surgery.  What I'm
> wondering is whether it is possible to correct the problem with braces
> possibly including an external appliance to be worn at night. A
> potential problem is that I am already 28 so it may be hard to move
> the teeth.  Any comments.
 
Ask an orthodontist.

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From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Broken Reamer
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 07:27:25 MST
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY

Concerning the broken reamer during a root canal procedure;

This does happen, and usually if you can seal around the reamer, the
procedure will be successful.  Your dentist did the right thing by
informing you of the break.  Before the present form of sealing root
canals (gutta percha) metal files were used (silver points) ... that
method worked for a number of years successfully.

Running to an attorney is not the answer.  Why do people feel this is
the answer?  Doctors are not god, things do go wrong in treatment, and
you do you best to give the best standard-of-care you can.  But a broken
reamer is within the standard-of-care if everything else was done
correctly.

David

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