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From: menon@cis.ohio-state.edu (Satish Menon)
Subject: H-1B approval, How long?
Originator: menon@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:23:01 GMT

I am looking for information on how long it takes to get the H-1B
approval from INS these days. So, if you have got a H-1 approval after
the new immigration laws went into effect please send mail on how long
it took for the approval.

Thanks

Satish Menon
(menon@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: menon@cis.ohio-state.edu (Satish Menon)
Subject: H-1B approval, how long? Summary
Originator: menon@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:32:40 GMT

Since I have received a lot of requests for a summary, here is the
gist of the responses I received :

1) The time it takes for approval varies from 1 week to 2 months.
   The period depends on the INS office processing your papers.
   (Nebraska seems to the quickest and the North East the slowest).

2) Under the new immigration law the additional step of obtaining a LCA from
   the dept. of labor is required.

Satish Menon
(menon@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Subject: Greenland status?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 05:59:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Anybody know if US immigration considers someone born in Greenland to
be equivalent to someone born in mainland Denmark?  Legally and technically
there is no difference, but that does not mean US immigration knows this.
I had a hard enough time convincing Canadian immigration officials that
Greenland was not an independant country.

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From: gmamou@seti.inria.fr (mamou gerard invites)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: NEW SESSION FOR AA-1 PROGRAM
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:33:15 GMT
Organization: INRIA * Rocquencourt BP 105 * F-78153 LE CHESNAY CEDEX* France

Hello, 
Last year there was an AA-1 Program in Arlington, VA to give
about 40000 green cards to foreigners of about 40 country.
I was over there to put my envelops and get a chance.
I want to know if you have any information about that program for
this year.
I want also the address of the Department of State, in Washington-DC.
Thank you and see you soon.

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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: How about alt.visa.can?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:27:48 GMT

rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>>I've seen enough queries in Misc.jobs.misc and Soc.culture.canada to
>>justify it.  It can serve to clarify questions on the Free Trade Agt.
>
>Why does it have to be related to the US at all?  There are enough 
>people in the world who have no desire to live in the US, but dream 
>about getting into Canada..

No disagreement there (I'm Canadian) but with the FTA already in effect
and NAFTA on the way (supposedly) similiar interlinked continental issues
such as what we now have in the EC ("Am I eligible for an Irish passport
to work in Holland?") will arise, or already arise because someone has
status in one place and needs to get to the other, and vice-versa.  It's
like that old adage about sleeping next to an elephant ...

>If you are a permanent resident of Canada or a Canadian citizen, getting
>your spouse a permanent residence status is automatic and is usually done
>in under 3 months.  Canada is also not picky about multiple citizenships
>and I would assume the same would apply to multiple permanent residencies.

I guess the stumbling blocks for me here would be:

1. What if I'm unconscious or just physically unable to hike to the
Consulate in downtown SF or LA, and need to get home because my health
insurer weaseled me on my sickbed?  In that case, it'd be nice to have
my wife (German, U.S. PR) precleared to bring me in and settle down.
We may not have three months for the process, or she may have to wait
a long time stateside if my siblings and lawyers act on my behalf when
I'm already up north.

2. INS are real sticklers about not letting non-resident (visa or no
visa) spouses of citizens and P.R.'s into the U.S., so can I expect
Immigration Canada to be any better?  A recent National Review had an
exchange of letters over some powerful Washington lawyer's Canadian
wife coming in as a tourist but then getting a deportation order when
they filed for her permanent residency in D.C.  Germans can come into
Canada sans visa, but that might be different if she's Mrs. Dare but
no current status ...

gld
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From: sdms@bnr.ca (Andrew Sterian)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: How hard is it to work under J-2 visa?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:22:02 GMT
Distribution: na


My wife and I (both Canadians) will be entering the U.S. shortly on J-1
(for me) and J-2 (for her) visas. I know that the J-2 visa allows her
to work in the U.S. provided there is demonstrated financial need, etc., 
etc. but I was wondering what the reality was? How difficult is it
really to obtain a work permit under a J-2 visa? Has anyone had experience
with this and/or can describe the process?

Many thanks,

Andrew.
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From: givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace Maverick)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Help
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:42:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



	Does anybody have more information on the specific visas. I mean
how do they differ from each other and what individuals can obtain them.
Please email me if you have anything on the subject.
Thank you .
From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.overlords
Subject: Sorry......
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:27:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Due to the dead nature of this group, I and your other mighty
leaders have decide to run a poll of all readers. The poll
is simple. Who would you like to see as presidenty and why?
Hell its election year, and we need someone more competent
than Bush (gee, you can see who I am not voting for)

anyways...any and all people are valid persons for presidency.
just keep it to real people, not fictional characters.
like use Dave Barry as a good example, not Marvin the Martian.

-this has been a official posting from your alt.overlords 
planning committee

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 .sig wants to get married, any suitors?
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Kellmeyer's List of T
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:56:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

perez@mgr.uucp (Charles Perez) writes:

>In article <Jul.14.13.40.02.1992.17424@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
>>goid@zooid.guild.org (Will Steeves) writes:
>>
>>>rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes in alt.abortion.inequity:

>Excuse me, isn't the husband presumed responsible for any children his
>wife may have? Doesn't that make it his business when his wife gets
>pregnant, gets her tubes tied, gets an abortion? It would be her
>business whether he got a vasectomy. I thought all of that was part
>of the point of marriage. Or maybe it's one-sided.

This is a decision to be made by the spouse in question, not the government.
Does anyone know if there are any husband notification laws in force any where 
in this country?  I would be very surprised if there were since Doctor/Patient confidentiality is considered sacred by the courts.


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From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Male Choice (was Re: Hypocrites?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:35:36 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <adams.712529185@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
#beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
#
##In article <adams.712521565@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
###chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Steve Chaney | Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0 ) writes:
###
[...]
###You could argue for a slightly longer title : "pro-reproductive-choce"
##Or perhaps more accurately, 
[...]
##  "pro-female-choice" [men have no legal/formal choice]
#
##Since "pro-choice" does not include any rights (influence != rights)
##for men beyond the "first choice," "pro-choice" is IMHO a bit broad.
#
#A much more difficult problem.  Although men can't force an abortion, they
#can be forced to support the child.  As for me, it's not an issue of force.
#Were I to impregnate someone who chose to carry the child to term and keep
#him/her, I'd support the child of my own free will, as part of my
#responsibility.


Would you have any interests in raising the child yourself?

Would you pay support if you were not permitted to see your child
or if the support payments exceeded what were necessary for the child's
upbringing?

Would you support the interests of other men in raising their
own children or in choosing to prevent the situation altogether,
by opting out [male abortion] during the first trimester?

[Oops -- those questions may sound accusatory -- they're not meant
to be.]

> -Steve

Don
From: purdon@cons1.mit.edu (James Purdon)
Subject: Re: Adoption.....if.
Organization: .
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:20:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul14.194921.25155@cos.com> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>First the idea that white couples must, should, whatever, adopt
>non-white children. Sure, if they feel up to the task (and it
>will be a task). But not doing so is not IMHO an indication of
>racism, merely a recognition of one's personal limitations.

Why should a white couple think it is more difficult to raise a non-white child
than a white child?  This is racism, pure and simple, and the "recognition of
one's personal limitations" is in truth a recognition that one is a racist.
-- 
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Once I was single.  Now I am married.
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Why restrict thi (1)
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:19:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Jul23.135324.22716@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
#In article <1992Jul23.010130.204112@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
##In article <1992Jul22.203147.26584@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
###How can her personal views (based on her physical limitations [do you
###know the whole story, here?] ) be a basis for laws which she has no
###interest in?
##
##I'll be interested in seeing your article attacking the Roman
##Catholic Church leaders for inserting themselves into the
##abortion debate, Stevens.
#
#Why should I attack the RCC?  Why should they NOT insert themselves
#into the debate?

The RCC leadership is celibate, Stevens.  You just said that
I have no interest in abortion laws because I am sterile.
Why is the interest of the (won't get pregnant, won't get
someone pregnant) RCC hierarchy legitimate while mine is
not?

(I realize that not all priests and nuns follow their vows,
and that it is possible for nuns to be raped, so please
don't tell me about this.)

Susan
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: The examination of pr
X-To: KEITH A. COCHRAN
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:53:00 GMT

kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran) writes...
KAC> In article <1992Jul3.234244.21980@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid
KAC> d.org> writes:
KAC> >priddle@vax.sonoma.edu writes...
KAC> >PR> The fact that animals are raised for profit and consumption while
KAC> >PR> aborting fetuses for profit is illegal indicates that even pro-choice
KAC> >PR> advocates place higher value on the fetus than on other animals.
KAC> >
KAC> >...but not THAT much higher.  :-)

KAC> Oh, Lord.  Not ANOTHER idiot who thinks that if women could obtain an abort
KAC> and "sell" the remains, that millions of women would be going through conti
KAC> morning sickness, continual abortions, for "the big bucks".


Whoa!  Hold your fire please, Keith!  I was NOT saying that women would be
getting pregnant in order to have abortions for money!!

I was just making a FRIENDLY POKE at Gerald Priddle (well, I HOPE that he does
not take offense) for saying that "pro-choice advocates place higher value on
the foetus than on other animals".  I was making that jibe because, although
"pro-choice" (I use quotes because I consider the term to be ideologically
loaded) advocates may place higher value on foetuses than other animals, most
do not place enough value to consider alternatives which would allow the woman
to have the choice to not remain pregnant AND to allow the foetus to be kept
alive and placed in an alternative environment.

You have my apologies if you misinterpreted what I said.


KAC> Or maybe Doug is just forging messages?

KAC> Nah.  This one actually can construct a coherent sentence.

Thanks...I think.  :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Subject: Re: Why restrict thi (1)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 04:16:24 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul27.215912.11500@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
#In article <1992Jul23.191908.267732@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
##In article <1992Jul23.135324.22716@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
###Why should I attack the RCC?  Why should they NOT insert themselves
###into the debate?
##
##The RCC leadership is celibate, Stevens.  You just said that
##I have no interest in abortion laws because I am sterile.
#
#No I did not.  I said (please read what I write) that your inability to
#conceive in no way should have ANY bearing on abortion rights/
#responsibilities.  You cannot conceive, therefore you cannot abort.
#This fact does NOT invalidate my earlier point that the couple should
#accept responsibility for the child at the time of intercourse.

Here's what you said...

In article <1992Jul22.203147.26584@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
###How can her personal views (based on her physical limitations [do you
###know the whole story, here?] ) be a basis for laws which she has no
###interest in?


You used the word "laws," and you did not mention responsibility.
Perhaps you meant something other than what you said.  

This is not a flame, but I have no idea what you're trying to
say in the sentence which begins "I said (please read...).
Could you rephrase it please?

[rest of article deleted - I'd rather clear up one thing at a time]


Susan
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Subject: in a previous post.....
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:53:58 GMT


	In a previous posting someone said....



"Life begins when...concent to intercourse [is made]"

[]= my words....


	what if......

	A man and a man

	or

	A Woman and a woman

	or

	A man and a man and another man

	or

	a woman and a woman and another woman

	or

	a man and a transvestite

	or

	(well.....you get the picture).....




	This posting also said "...the purpose of reproduction..sexual 
gradification is just a side effect...", was what sex is for....



	My problem with that is I tend to be attracted to transvestites
,transexuals and cross dressers. As you all know, or I hope you know
, we cannot reproduce (  ;-) god knowsI've tried). It would seem to
me that not all of us (to say the least) have sex just to have kids.
Many of us enjoy the feeling (a lot!). My org., NWROC has a slogan
I can relate to...it sums up my response rather well.....





	"I FUCK TO COME, NOT TO CONCEVE"....

	
	god knows I cannot conceve anyhow 




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Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: stevens@eatdust (John Stevens)
Subject: Re: Why restrict thi (1)
Organization: Not today, I can't find my pocket day planner. . .
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:59:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.191908.267732@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.135324.22716@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
>#Why should I attack the RCC?  Why should they NOT insert themselves
>#into the debate?
>
>The RCC leadership is celibate, Stevens.  You just said that
>I have no interest in abortion laws because I am sterile.

No I did not.  I said (please read what I write) that your inability to
conceive in no way should have ANY bearing on abortion rights/
responsibilities.  You cannot conceive, therefore you cannot abort.
This fact does NOT invalidate my earlier point that the couple should
accept responsibility for the child at the time of intercourse.

In your case, you cannot accept responsibility, because you cannot
conceive.  Simple enough, yes?

>Why is the interest of the (won't get pregnant, won't get
>someone pregnant) RCC hierarchy legitimate while mine is
>not?

They have religious reasons for believing that abortion is murder.  They
also have religious reasons for believing that it would be a sin for
them to ALLOW murder to occur.  Therefore, their interest is legitimate,
just as yours is.  I never said that your interest is not legitimate, just
that your inability to conceive is not a fact that ought to have any
bearing on deciding abortion law.

>(I realize that not all priests and nuns follow their vows,
>and that it is possible for nuns to be raped, so please
>don't tell me about this.)

I won't.  You've already mentioned a VERY difficult issue for the church.
And I have no interest in discussing the religious aspects any more than
we have already been forced to.

>Susan

John
stevens@uswest.com
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Humble Request Re: al
X-To: DAVID KNAPP
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:38:00 GMT

knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes...
DK> "Oh please, Lord, break the curse on women's hearts that says we don't need
DK> our men.  Break that independence...Help men to rise up to take positions
DK> of leadership and authority that we might submit to them."  -Toni Denver,
DK>  operation rescue member, as she is quoted in Life Magazine, July 1992

Well...I might verge closer to "pro-life" than "pro-choice," but *that* does
not mean that I have to support ridiculous statements such as this one!

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From: stevens@eatdust (John Stevens)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: About those UnBornThi
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:03:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Who??  ME?

In article <1992Jul22.020303.239422@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>In article <Jul.21.14.45.46.1992.3784@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
>#stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
>##In article <1992Jul20.210151.52562@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>###
>###I wonder if Stevens has considered the possibility that his
>###ex had an abortion because she was worried that his mental
>###problems might be inherited.
>###
>###Susan
>#
>##Good.  If you can't respond to the argument, attack the man.  Typical.
>#
>#I think a more accurate description of what she said is:
>#
>#"If you explain yourself numerous times and the man still doesn't get
>#it, save your breath and use it for something more entertaining - like
>#making fun of him"

A mature, adult thing to do.  And since I've explained myself multiple
times, and you still don't get it, maybe I should start making fun of
you. . .

Nahhhh!  No sport in it.  Just to damn easy.

>
>Thank you, that's exactly what I meant.
>
>Stevens seems to be incapable of deciding whether he's
>opposed to abortion because of his concern for the fetus
>or the sperm donor.  

Why are the two reasons incompatible?  Why must there be only ONE
supporting reason?

And I don't oppose legal abortion.  Typical, after all of this, you
still have no idea of what I've said.

>
>#Have a nice day John.  
>
>If he can.

Most of my days are good ones.  I especially enjoy reading the mindless
propaganda on USENET.  It's always good for a laugh, to see people
spout political cant, without actually thinking through the consequences
of their beliefs.

>
>Susan

I know, I know, the OTHER Susan, right?

John
stevens@uswest.com
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Humble Request Re: alt.ab
X-To: KEVIN DARCY
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:24:00 GMT

kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes...
KD> PLEASE!! PLEASE!! PLEASE!! WATCH YOUR FOLLOWUPS!! ONLY *SOME* ABORTION-RELAT
KD> ARTICLES ARE APPROPRIATE IN ALT.ABORTION.INEQUITY!! MOST OF THEM BELONG IN
KD> TALK.ABORTION!!

KD> Paid for by the Committee to Make Alt.abortion.inequity a Useful Forum  :-)


Bless you.  I have been on the verge of writing this for many a LONG, wasted
evening reading cross-posted talk.abortion drivel.

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