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Subject: Cowboys aren't great (was: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES)
From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:35:54 GMT
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep30.211847.26562@ncsu.edu> bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER) writes:
>
>Mr. Lonestar,
>
>I hope you are not as ignorant or stupid as you appear to be ... Not only
>will the Eagles fail to beat the Cowboys 42 - 3 ... They won't beat them
>period ... The Eagles 'all-world' defense is not as strong as the media
>has hyped them to be ... So far they have beaten a mediocre Saints team, a 
>pathetic Cards team, and an overated Bronco's team ... They have not faced
>the likes of an Emmit, Troy or Michael ... The minute they overload the line
>to stop Emmit ... Troy will simply air it out to Mr. Irvin ... And the
>result will be a extremely disappointed Eagles secondary ... Now, I'm not 
>saying the game will be a blow out, but the Cowboys WILL WIN, most likely 
>21 - 10 or something similar ... I'll be sure to send you some mail Tuesday
>morning when its all said and done.
>

I don't like all this hype by stupid Eagles players who believe that the
Eagles will go 16-0.  I thought that kind of talk would be heard from
only 49er and Washington fans who are much louder and more prevelent on the
net.

Emmit is great.  A notch or two above Herschel.  
Irvin is good.  Slightly better than Barnett.
Aikman is good.  Two notches worse than Randall.

Unfortunately, you forgot the other 19 players who are also playing.
The Cowboys may win but at this stage of the season, the Eagles are simply
a better team in most respects, hands down.  This does not mean that
the Cowboys can't win, just that the Eagles are the favorites and it is
their game to lose.

So a slightly better prediction is 24-10 Eagles.

I have seen every Eagles game this season and let me tell you that the Eagles
D is no joke and is not sensationalized by the media.  Just wait til
Monday and we'll see who is better.  As for me, I am confident the Eagles
will win.

One indication that the Eagles are a stronger team is the fact that their
fans are announcing a perfect season possibility.  The Cowboys fans
who are surely louder and more obnoxious and more numerous on the net
have not had the courage to say the same despite their over zealous and
sometimes unrealistic view of their team.  This shows that they are aware
of their teams mortality despite living in the clouds.  

Anyone who feels that the Eagles are not a superior team than the Cowboys at
this moment in the season is very unaware of how the Eagles are playing, blind,
or just stupid.

-- 
En Pum Cho					
University of Chicago Class of 1994
math & economics major
epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jackson and Miami
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:56:44 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.155846.20591@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>
>   Is it just me, or do other people see the possibilities for Miamis
>offense with Jackson there now?
>
>   They have two of the best pass-receiving TEs in the NFL now... granted
>Edmunds has been hurt and not performing up to par lately, but he has got
>to be in the top 6. This would give the Dolphins a killer offensive 
>formation: Imagine this Duper and Clayton at WR, Jackson and Edmunds as
>ther two TEs and feature Higgs/Humphrey in a one back set.

Well, Edmunds seems to be healthy this year, as he has played a decent amount
and made some good catches.  With both, it is possible.  Remember that both
are BIG TEs, and both are good blockers.  And, both can do something once they
catch the ball.  Both have above average speed, with Edmunds being stronger
and Jackson faster.  It definitely makes their short yardage team look alot
better.  
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uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
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From: heinz@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Martin Heinz)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:27:58 GMT

q2dt@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Turner) writes:


>	I'm seriously sick of Dan, Frank and Al's obvious jump-on-the 
>bandwagon, cheer for-whoever's-winning, biased coverage on MNF.  These
>guys spend more time orgasming over the winning team (especially when it is 
>serious contender like the Eagles) than they do calling and analysing the game.
>Randall Cuningham scores -- two orgasms; another Aikman interception -- three
>more for the Philly defense; Hershall Walker scores a second touchdown -- six 
>orgasms: "he has made both teams better!"  Come on guys: you can't simply 
>declare that a certain team will win the Super Bowl 89-0 in October.  Perhaps
>you might let the fans decide who they think are the good teams or -- God 
>forbid -- maybe even let the teams decide on the field.  Either way, I wish 
>they would show a little professionalism and just call the damn game.  It was 
>my impression that there were stretches in the fourth quarter when none of them
>even mentioned what was happening on the field.  


Exactly my thoughts.
Why can't they try to be objective? It was almost ridiculous how they were
praising the Eagles as basically the next Superbowl winner. And, of course,
they already knew that the Cowboys are still a couple of years away.
All this from one game!! Why don't we just ask them to fill in the scores
in the remaining schedule? 
-- 
Martin Heinz
University of Texas at Austin
heinz@math.utexas.edu
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From: ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The FISH EAT BUFFALFO MEAT!
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:04:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Yale University

37-10. Savor it Dolfans. It doesn't get any better than this.
Pass the A-1 Matt!

--
Eugene "Mos Eisley" Ahn     ahn@suncis.cis.yale.edu
"What did you think of that reply?"
"No sir. I don't like it."
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 12:33:08 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears

>How would you like it if *your* boss behaved like this?  I'd quit and go to
his main competitor and work my butt off for them.

Did Jim McMannon say this?
From: aceshigh@raven.bu.edu (Brian Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Ladies and Gentlemen, the Eagles have just left the building.
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:11:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: I can do that too !!!

The proof is in the pudding.  The best team in the NFL scored 31 points
tonight.

			Brian,
			Boston University,
			College of Engineering

GO EAGLES!
From: v069qqqc@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike C.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Fins and Chips (Buffalo)
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct1.102522.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
> [...]
>the whole team. This would mean a long day for the fins. Hopefully
>Olivadotie(sp?) will finally come up with a plan to keep Therman from
>roaming free through the Dolphin's deffense as he usually does. Any way
>that's the key as I see it. I'll be keeping an eye on Therman and
>the deffense during round one of the Dolphin-Bills series this year.

I think another key to this game is whether the Bills D gets pressure
on Marino. Last week, Hugh Millen was 13 for 13 (yes, perfect) in the
first half against Buffalo's secondary. If Millen can look that good
I shudder to think what Marino will be able to do if he has time
in the pocket.

Personally, I don't think the Dolphins can stop the Bills offense
right now. But if they can at least slow them down and force some mistakes,
and if the Fins OL can give Marino some time to find his newly
rejuvenated receiving crew, then they'll win in a shootout.

It ain't gonna be 6-3, that's for sure.

Mike
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bring Back Instant Replay
Keywords: 49ers-Saints,Bad Calls, Suggestion
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:59:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>What is next in the ever-increasing need to introduce technology into
>pro football?  A small probe in the pigskin, with sensors scanning the goal
>line to see if the ball crossed the plane?  I think two referees with good
>eyesight will do fine, thank you.  This isn't rocket science, it's football.
>
>v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)

i don't know why you're dragging <rocket science> into this thread,
but i infer from your tone of voice that you're trying to make the
"hey, it's just a game" point.  au contraire!  many BILLIONS of dollars
hang in the balance of some football games, not to mention the livelihoods
of several hundred men and women.

if the ball has in fact crossed the goal line, then that team has in fact
earned six points (and the chance for a seventh), whether or not it was
discernable to human eyes.  _i_ think "two referees with good eyesight"
will usually be sufficient, but not always.

if technology can assist the referees in determining the truth, why not use it?
neither humans nor machines are infallible, but the two working together
certainly offer the best chance for accurate assessment of play.

ok
dpm
-- 
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              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
From: marino@dxcern.cern.ch (Massimo Marino)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ten best rated QB performances ever
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:43:10 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

Larry writes:
> [...]I don't have his rating for the SB, but in post-season (3 games) in
> 1986-87, Simms had a rating of 131.8.

Well, in '86 SB against Denver Simms's rating has been 150.9, averaged 10.72 yds
and from 22 out of 25 attempted passes he rated a 88% completion.

Impressive!
Max
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From: csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri)
Subject: Re: 0-4
Keywords: 0-4
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:56:40 GMT

Jets----> 0-4



DOUBLE OUCH!!

And I had such high hopes....
From: tehyang@girtab.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: More Phil v.s. Dal comments
Date: 6 Oct 1992 00:39:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Some thoughts about the great game that just transpired...

As many people predicted, Jay Novacek played a big part in Dallas' offense,
at least in the first half. He was Aikman's main target the whole night.
Fortunately for the Eagles they were able to shut him down in the second half.

Biggest play of the game: 3rd quarterScore is a very close 10-7. Eagles
face a critical 3rd and long.  Cunningham is forced out of the pocket
and runs to his left, chased by several Cowboy defenders. He sidearms a
pass to Byars who runs for the first down. On the next play Walker rumbles
in for a 9-yard TD to make it 17-7.

In the first half, it was obvious that the Eagles were testing the Cowboys'
secondary. The Eagles passed a lot and without much success and resulted
in a low time of possession. In the second half they decided to start running
the ball more, which was a smart move. It seemed like the Cowboys' defense
was playing the pass most of the game, not worrying to much about Walker.

BTW, on a unrelated subject. Does anyone else think that the Eagles'
cheerleaders are pretty cute? I mean, I definitely think that they are among
the better looking ones in the NFL. 
And I *love* their outfits, too... :)

-Teh Kao
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Ten best rated QB performances ever
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:10:50 GMT

In article <wytten.718045966@deci> wytten@deci.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach) writes:
>The Minneapolis Star and Tribune published the following list
>on 10/1/92:
>
>Rank      QB                              Vs.            Date
>158.4     Ken O'Brien, Jets               Seattle        11-2-86
>151.8     Fran Tarkenton, Vikings         Houston        10-13-74
>151.5     Y.A. Tittle, Giants             Washington     10-28-62
>147.7     Rich Gannon, Vikings            Cincinnati     9-27-92
>146.3     Joe Kapp, Vikings               Atlanta        9-14-68
>145.6     Warren Moon, Oilers             Cleveland      11-18-90
>144.0     Boomer Esiason, Bengals         N.Y. Jets      12-21-86
>142.9     Wade Wilson, Vikings            Tampa Bay      10-23-88
>142.6     Joe Montana, 49ers              Seattle        9-25-88
>142.5     Jim Everett, Rams               Cleveland      12-2-90
>
>This list does not appear to include playoff games.  Does anyone
>know what the best postseason performances are?
>
>Disclaimer: I have not confirmed the above information.
>
>Dale 

I don't know, but based on Montana's four SB appearances, he must be
leading or near the top.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFL teams?
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:38:22 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1439@niktow.canisius.edu>, bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason
Bittle) writes:
|>
|>does anyone have a list of all the AFL teams, and when they were around.  If
|>not a list, can someone provide them for me..
|>
|>A steak dinner resides in this text file! :)
|>
|>Thanks..
|>
|>
|>
|>-- 
|>ciao,                             
|>Jason Bittle (bittle@niktow.canisius.edu) 
|>(a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy )
              
	From memory:

	East					West

Buffalo Bills					Dallas Texans (K.C. Chiefs)
Boston Patriots	(N.E. Patriots)			Oakland Raiders (wherever Raiders)
Houston Oilers					San Diego Chargers
N.Y. Titans (jets)				Denver Broncos

	Somewhere around 66 - 68 Maimi Dolphins were added to the east
and Cincinatti Bengels to the west.

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: JGH computer ratings
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  6 OCT 92 16:20:43    

New #1 team: Eagles  (I believe 90 is the best rating any team has had
             this year.)

Vikings crack top 10.  Drop off of 11 points after Chiefs at #11.

 1 Eagles         90
 2 Dolphins       83
 3 Bills          80
 4 49ers          80
 5 Cowboys        80
 6 Saints         78
 7 Broncos        72
 8 Oilers         69
 9 Redskins       68
10 Vikings        68
11 Chiefs         67
12 Lions          56
13 Falcons        52
14 Bears          50
15 Steelers       50
16 Giants         41
17 Buccaneers     40
18 Rams           35
19 Colts          33
20 Bengals        32
21 Packers        31
22 Raiders        29
23 Cardinals      28
24 Browns         25
25 Jets           23
26 Seahawks       18
27 Chargers       17
28 Patriots       12
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: dodge@Software.Mitel.COM (Jeff Dodge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon,rec.bicycles
Subject: INFO ON KESTRAL 200 SC
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:11:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

I would appreciate comments from KESTRAL owners or 
from those who have experience with them, on the
value of the following setup:

  KESTRAL 200 SC ( 1991 bike)
  Purchased end of last year- 500 km (300 miles)
  8 spd Dura-Ace groupo, with STI shifting
  Lemond Dropin Handlebar
  Time "Racing" pedals (the white ones)
  Size 52 cm.

  Asking $2500 cdn ($2100 USD)

 - What are your comments on this bike ( positive or negative)
 - The forks are carbon-fibre. Are they reliable?
 - Does anyone use this bike for Tri's/timetrials?
 - If you have one, would you buy one again?
 - What would be a fair price for a used bike, in mint condition?



Thks

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     SWIM  _ \ ~    %          Jeff Dodge
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            BIKE   RUN         Kanata, Ontario, Canada (eh?)
From: jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Aero wheels
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:30:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: dsp.JEFF.92Oct2123001
Organization: Motorola DSP Compilers

check out Jobst's book "the bicycle wheel".
From: MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Aero wheels
Date: 3 Oct 92 22:55:49 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

all i can say is make sure you're not wasting your money.  aero wheels are
great for some situations and not good at all for others--like a hilly
course, or crosswinds.  I have beaten many people who have aero wheels, and
I think that some people buy them in the hopes of being faster when in
reality all they need is more or better training.  not to get on your case,
just think about it before you drop a bunch of money into it.  maria at penn
state
From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:54:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Ironman Events for Common Folks
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 1992 19:34:59 -0400 
From: Scott Philip Mcdonald <sm74+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Anyone have a Kestrel?

   Hey, I'm a young triathlete (19 yrs old) who just started doing
triathlons/duathlons this summer.  I did OK in my age group in the races
I entered, but felt I could have done better with a TT bike.  Don't
laugh, but I competed on a Bridgestone mountain bike with street slicks
and aero bars.  I would like to buy a new bike this spring before the
new season and have shopped around a little and I think I want a
Kestrel.  If anyone out there has a Kestrel or knows a lot about them
(pros and cons) please respond to this account.  I can't afford the top
of the line Kestrel, but I can spend up to about $1200 so any info on
the brand would be much appreciated.  Thanks a lot.  

-Scott "Scooter" McDonald

 

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From: bob@astph (Bob Ford)
Subject: Re: New Timex Ironman Watch
Organization: Philadelphia Phillies
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.235223.1596@news.Hawaii.Edu> teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
>In article <1a7ntlINNrrb@uwm.edu> retzer@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>>A while back someone mentioned that timex had come out with
>>(was coming out with) a new version of its ironman watch. Among
>>other features was a 60 lap memory. My question is :
>>
>>      Has this watch actually arrived at retail stores or
>>
>>      Did Timex just "announce" it would be coming out sometime
>>      in the future?
>>
>>The reason I ask is that I've checked a few places in my area that
>>carry alot of timex merchandise and noone has any idea of what I'm
>>reffering to.
>
>I have yet to see them in the stores, either (but then again, I'm out
>here in the boonies). The person who posted this info originally (and
>I've seen it there too) said the new Timex watches are now available
>through Road Runner Sports. However this is not the regular RRS
>catalog, but the special pre-season catalog that is sent out to RRS's
>special Runner's Club members. I just got the Fall 1992 RRS catalog,
>and the new watches ARE in that one. You can probably call them and
>find out if they;'re actually in stock.
>
>--
>A. Lani Teshima (teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu)       o | /_/_/ "Sea Hare"
>Student, UH School of Library & Information Studies     o|<0_0>--------*
>A small mind is easily filled with faith.                 \=^-| |____| | 
>Blessed is a mind too small for doubt.                        \_}B   \_}B

I just picked up one of the new watches.  I got it by calling around to
the local stores that carried Timex, like Walmart, Kmart, various drug
stores.  I finally found one that was willing to order one for me.
Fays Drugs got it for me in about five days.  I paid $34 for it.  I
haven't used it a whole lot yet, but generally I'm pleased.  I like
the 50 lap memory, and other little improvements, like a tab on the
end of the band that prevents the end of the band from slipping out
from the little hold-down thingy.

For anyone who reads this group and lives in State College, PA, Fays
drugs has about three of the new Ironman watches left.
-- 
Bob Ford                           (814) 234-8592x36
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From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:31:41 GMT
Subject: Re: pre-race training
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

> 
> I will be racing in my first triathlon in 4 weeks.  It is a sprint
> distance, 3/4k swim, 20k bike, 5k run.  I've been training pretty well and 
> am sure I'm ready for it.  I was planning on doing some hard training the 
> next 2 weeks, making sure to practice transitions, then slowing down over 
> the next 10 days, and not training at all for 3 days before the race.  Is 


My advice,  for a race of this  distance,  is *not* to take time off before
the race.  I (and other people I train with) have found that we tend to get
"stiff  and  bloated"  during  "extended"  days  off.  I would  still  do a
workout/day but just go real easy ("no stress").

For a race that should take 1-1.5 hours  "carbo  loading"  isn't  really an
issue.

My only  exception to this advice is if you have some minor injuries or you
currently feel overtrained.  Then you might take more time off.

Remember that the shorter the race the more  important it is to be warm and
limber at the gun.

-- LSC
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