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From: mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Dissapointing followup singles
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:13:38 GMT
Organization: Disorganization

Shamen: LSI and Ebeneezer Goode

Have they turned into a pop goup?  On the strength of these two singles, I'd
say the heady days of "En-Tact" are well and truly over.  Unlike that album's
deep music and minimal vocals, their new approach seem to involve obvious
dance instrumentation and sounds and relatively conventional vocals and
lyrics (sounds as if Mr C is now the main vocalist :( ).
At least "Ebenezer Goode" is amusing though.  I don't know know when the
album "Boss Drum" is released, but maybe someone who has it could let us
know if the rest of it is in the same vein.

Messiah: I Feel Love

After the sublime perfection (kinda) of "There Is No Law" and "Temple Of
Dreams", this cover is a major change.  Definitely some Messiah sounds
in there ("Hail Messiah!"), but despite being harder than the original,
this track sounds like watered-down techno.  This song has a lot of
potential as a pure instrumental (remember Manic MCs "Mental"?), but Messiah
have made the instrumental parts too soft, and the vocalist they use is
unfortunately not up to the song.  Hopefully they can drag in some remixer
to save the track.


Sad days indeed.  Even the Prodigy's newie "Fire" doesn't quite have the
novelty or catchiness of their last two.  Well, there's always Orbital.
And does anybody know if R&S have a new UK distributor yet?

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: ee3401cb@carina.unm.edu (Student Class Account)
Subject: Re: Eon: Void Dweller (Extra track!)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:48:14 GMT
Organization: University of Hardcore, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep13.171518.12783@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett) writes:
>Well, I picked up Eon's _Void Dweller_ Friday.  Really really good.  I'll
>post a review Tuesday or so of that and some other purchases.
>
>Q: What's the name of the track that begins about 4:28 into track 11 after
>   the silence break?  Any clues?
It sounds to me like a remix of "Final Warning".  

But then again, I only have the promo version of the CD.  Final Warning,
by the way, is a slammin track, is it not?

James
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: rave purity
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.170234.8863@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> laural@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.l.la gassa) writes:
>Every so often at Paradox (the place on Russell St. where that 
>FLA / Industrial / Rave thingy was there's a party called ORBIT.  The time I
>went it was rather good.  If they're still having them you should check one
>out.  It's definatley very ravey, very technoy.  Good vibes and all.

Yeah, but this last ORBIT was 21+...OK for me, but not the rest of
my raving friends.

-CyberTom


Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Theft or Artistry?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:42:29 GMT

   A question:
   Let's say a DJ takes pieces from several released albums -- say, a
bit of Moby, 30 seconds of Orb, a minute of Quadrophonia, etc. The DJ
then releases a tape for sale with his splices and mixes. Does he or she
have to get permission from he original artists to do this? Could the DJ
be sued for using them without permission?
 
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin)
Subject: DJ's suck...
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:32:50 GMT

 I attended a rather large, private rave over the weekend. The host had
hired 2 bands, and 2 dj's. The first band was `UltraNOx' and sounded like
medium-good, techno-garage, the first DJ was wound up to 220v! The jerk
kept talking thru the tracks, scratching a 45 - sortof to the beat and
trying to pickup on every female within earshot. We finally got his 
attention and reminded him that his getting paid was very much dependant`
on how well the audience liked him...he wised up and played music for
his remaining 3 hour stint. The second band was 'Tech Immo' and this band
can imitate almost ANYBODY. Really good 'Kraftwerk', Tang Dream, ELP, KB,
AMT, DZ and The Co, etc. anyway..we had them back for more, needless to
say! The second DJ copped an attitude about the host/audience not wanting
him to 'scratch-along'/grunt/try-to-sing/hassle the chicks...SO HE PACKED
UP, GAVE US THE FINGER, AND SPLIT! Like anybody cared...UltraNOx did a
second run (for which our host insisted on paying them a little extra) and
then we put on 'Pirate Radio' for the balance of the evening. The obvious
questions are:

 1) Is there some way to get music play, without the crap and NOT offend?

 2) Are all the DJ's in love with the sound of their own voice??

 3) What the f!@#$k is this 'record-scratching' shit? I thought only rappers
     did that garbage! Is techno to be infected too?

 4) (this one just for me) How much for a quiet DJ? One that just spins
     the tunes and won't try to be M.C. Asshole ??  Our host claimed the
     DJ's were roughly $150 for 4 hours...seems like a lot to me.

 Technically Yours,


-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY           +-------------------------+
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From: dj U-neek
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: LFO track listing
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:02:11 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep15.185232.12873@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>  writes:
} In article <1992Sep14.123341.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsjjl@acad3.alaska.edu  
writes:
} > Maybe this has been discussed, but I just bought LFO "Frequencies" and  
there

Where is the new LFO (w/ Elektric Music)?????

dj U-neek

   "Please, don't make me angry.  You won't like me when I'm angry."
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.censorship
From: droe@cs.tcd.ie (David Roe)
Subject: Re: E's are good (Re: UNIVERSE - mind, body, soul and the Universe...)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:19:58 GMT

In article <92Sep08.1604.1415@crash.canon.co.uk> tim@crash.canon.co.uk writes:
>rjg@rabbit.cs.bham.ac.uk (Robin J. Green) writes:
>:
>I was surprised that the Shamen could get away with releasing "Ebeneezer
>Goode" given the current anti-E climate that exists in the UK. Straight
>in at number 6 as well. "Sorted".
>
>Tx. [E's are good, E's are good, E's are good, he's Ebeneezer Goode]

	Ehhhh, I thought he was saying 
	
	"Ee's a goodun, ee's a goodun, ee's a goodun," etc.

	as in. "He is a good one" a la East end accent.

		Dave Roe
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: ... speed ...
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:48:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.004207.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> edd709psft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>From the guy who sparked the LSD discussion (and consequently got his ass
>flamed!) I have a question regarding SPEED.
>
>Anyway, I'd be interested to see what people think and here about anyone's
>experiences.
>

well, i know that there have been quite a few times where i wanted
to drop acid JUST for the speed effect that it gives

it really helps in driving home at 6 am after a rave or worse
at 9 pm sunday nite after having left at midnite friday and
partied non-stop...
the visuals and lack of real concentration worry me,
but im awake and sometimes they help keep me occupied when
traffic is slow :)
actually i never drive while i am experiencing visuals from LSD,
just visuals from lack of sleep

there are quite a few times where i just want to do it though
and i wonder if speed would be the non-visuals replacement
but i wont get physically addicted to acid.. soo...

--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
From: dedos3@wsinfo10.info.win.tue.nl (Wilco Boumans)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: break beat
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:11:48 GMT
Reply-To: dedos3@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <5318@tuegate.tue.nl> renew@blade (Rene Walter) writes:
>OK, so it doen't count for Smart E's, but it still counts for the others
>mentioned (and I know it for sure, I know Ron Hofland (co-owner of Basic
>Beat and Tinseltown/Tunesvill) personally, unfortunately).
>The big difference between  The Netherlands and the UK is that Sesame's
>Treet and A trip to Trumpton are slaughtered by DJ's and the Press, while
>De Rode Schoentjes was seen as a great house record in Holland.
>

The reason, IMHO, for rubbish like 'De rode ..' and 'Poing' to become a hit
in Holland, is that here DJ's are less concentrated on the underground.
Almost all top records are from major records companies. Veronica (a dutch
broadcasting organisation) makes a tip-30, from which DJ's select their new
records. The underground scene in Holland is rather small, and doesn't have
a major magazine (maybe that's why the NME and Melody maker are sold in
Holland too).

In England, the music-business is less dictated by a single broadcast
organisation, it's more diverse.  Things like the Orb (which a lot of my
friends and I like) do reach the top 10.

Or maybe, the DJ's in Holland just have a worse taste in music???


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From: st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (Taylor, Daniel K.)
Subject: Last track on Razormaid's m-6
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:22:00 GMT


	I have Razormaid's m-6 on compact disc and I was wondering
  if anybody knows what the last track on the disc is....the disc
only gives credit for 11 songs and artists but there actually 12.
please email me if you know....

dan

also...I have r-1 on disc....still new...does anyone know what this is worth
  now?

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu (Digital Druid)
Subject: rave purity
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:05:22 GMT

  I want to make a comment on an event that went on a few days ago in 
baltimore city.  A few friends and I went to the 'Industrial rave'
promoted by a local record store.  From what I gather this is only
the second or third 'rave' baltimore city has seen.  Well, I'm 
really not going to judge the effects, and the people there...just the
concept of an industrial rave.
  It is true this is a good idea to get people to come because not
many people in balto. know about raving...yet many people can relate
to industrial music.  It didn't work from a rave point of view.
Much of the music was angry and just harsh sounds.  The people 
there would also fit the 'industrial' mold.  
  I was taught (thanks to all of you guys on alt.rave)  that a rave
is supposed to have that happiness/peace/love attitude..well this one
didn't.  (jeeze I didn't even see anyone there on X!?!?!..everyone
was just drunk).
  I also didn't mention that Front Line Assembly was there.  Now I am
a great fan of their music...but I actually left the stage where they 
were playing and went to the back room where they were playing techno.
I enjoyed myself much more there.
  In conclusion...my last hour (half hour..I loose track of time), in 
bliss was great...but that's because I cut off the industrial element
from my mind.  Oh well...'till the next catastrophic rave..

Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k)


Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: edd709psft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: ... speed ...
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:42:07 GMT

From the guy who sparked the LSD discussion (and consequently got his ass
flamed!) I have a question regarding SPEED.

Speed is a substance I have not, and doubtfully ever will, try.
I have talked to a few people about speed ranging from people who have tried
it once and thrown up everywhere to people who sit up at night speeding
off their tits to complete an assignment in one go (who mention the name
Richie???). 

I even had one guy come up to me in a club sounding very pleased with himself.
He said "Yeah, I'm finished with drugs. No more trips or E's for me. Now I'm
just speeding, you know, to keep me going." I thought it was quite amusing.

Anyway, I'd be interested to see what people think and here about anyone's
experiences.

BTW, if anyone is thinking of mailing me back saying "What has this got to
do with alt.rave?", then I'll repeat what I said about two weeks ago.
This newsgroup is called alt.rave, not alt.rave.music or alt.techno.music.
Therefore anything to do with raves is kosher to post to this newsgroup.
That includes drugs, clothes, music, sound systems, making music, organising
raves, etc.

CLAIMER: I am not the one to judge whether or not the views expressed here
are shared by the University I study at. Who knows, 90% of them are probably
repressed woodstock acid-taking free-love making hippies anyway!!!

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From: ccsteve@cybaswan.UUCP (s marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: NJOI!
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:47:22 GMT
Reply-To: ccsteve@pyr.swan.ac.uk (s marshall)
Distribution: alt

I've never seen anyone mention NJOI at all on this newsgroup, why?
Although not one of my favourite groups, they have done some good
tunes, NJOI - live in manchester is a good example. Anyway does
anyone have a discography for them, or any details about what they
are doing now. I know saffron has released some solo stuff, nothing
like the NJOI stuff.

Still waiting for the new Spiral Tribe EP.

Steve

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: helgeu@dhhalden.no (HELGE RENE URHOLM)
Subject: Norwegian raveparty
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:17:01 GMT

	Det er avertert et "raveparty" i stfoldhallen like utenfor 
Fredrikstad den 30-9-92. Jeg husker ikke helt sikkert hvem som kommer dit, 
men jeg tror A-TEAM, Rob hlin, og Biosphere kommer dit. Det skulle vel si 
det meste. BTW : Det starter kl 1900(, og stenger vel 0200 tenker jeg.)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: ghond@acca.nmsu.edu (ICE-9)
Subject: Re: Dissapointing followup singles
Organization: NOT
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:08:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.041338.13482@cc.uow.edu.au>
mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett) writes:

> Shamen: LSI and Ebeneezer Goode
>
> Have they turned into a pop goup?  On the strength of these two singles, I'd
> say the heady days of "En-Tact" are well and truly over.  Unlike that album's
> deep music and minimal vocals, their new approach seem to involve obvious
> dance instrumentation and sounds and relatively conventional vocals and
> lyrics (sounds as if Mr C is now the main vocalist :( ).

Note that these singles were recorded after Will Sinnot's (?) death.
Apparently, he was the talented one.

Y'know, it's a funny thing about remixes.  I remember hearing the original
Pro>Gen back in early 1990 or so, and not thinking much of it.  Then I
heard the Beatmasters mix and went ape over it.  It's a funny ol' world, innit?

-- stephen

-- Stephen
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Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.marketplace
From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (Heavenly Metal)
Subject: Orb Live Video+CD for sale (VHS PAL standard)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:31:37 GMT

Well, I accidentally got shipped one of these suckers in PAL, even
though I already bought the NTSC version of it. Anybody
wanna buy it off me? 

I'll only charge you what I paid for it, which is 25 dollars, plus
whatever shipping is to your part of the planet.

Remember, USers, unless you have a multi-standard VCR, or are planning to
have this converted, this will not play on your standard VCR. On the other
hand, the CD which is included will play on any CD player.....
-- 
Jason Bilsky   fuzzbox@world.std.com 
"Got enough guilt to start my own religon."
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Announcing: Underground Resistance, Sept. 6 in Detroit
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.171222.14710@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
ndc@arrakis.engin.umich.edu (Andrew C Crosby) writes:
 
>> Underground Resistance will make their first live appearance in the
>> city of their birth Sept 6 at the State theatre in Detroit (not the one in
>> AA).
>
>has anyone been living in detroit long enough to know if this was really
>true? (that it was their first appearance, not that the show occurred)
 
First appearance *in Detroit*, not first appearance anywhere.
 
>i was listening to an old old tape of the fast forward show in detroit
>and it mentioned a three day techno fest over thanksgiving weekend in
>1990, featuring kenny larkin, underground resistance, octave one and a few
>others.
 
Well, they annouced Sunday's show on Fast Forward, noting that it was
*the first* time they appeared live *in Detroit*. Maybe the show you heard
about was either in the 'burbs or was simply members of UR spinning.
 
>seems to me this was their first appearance after someone could make money
>off of them making an appearance.
 
Hmmm? Howzat?
 
>hmmm`
>
>andy
 
--Eric
 
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch)
Subject: Re: Theft or Artistry?
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:39:22 GMT

Could he be sued?  Of course.  You can sue people whether you have a
legal leg to stand on or not.

So what you appear to really be asking is could he avoid having to
pay the owners of the copyrights for the music he has patched together.
I would say doubtful, speaking as a non-lawyer, but someone who knows
a bit about how the law works.

My advice, worth at least what you are paying for it?

Write to the companies involved, and the artists involved (c/o their
record labels) and REQUEST written permission to do this.  If you
obtain written permission from both the label and the artist, I see
no way at all you will have trouble.

Finally, before selling, furnish the artists with a copy of your
work, telling them this is what you have done.  Perhaps they
will even find some good ways for you to sell it.

I dunno.  Best bet is to ask someone in the business (record business),
or an attorney dealing with the record business.

In article <1992Sep13.044229.13018@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
|>    A question:
|>    Let's say a DJ takes pieces from several released albums -- say, a
|> bit of Moby, 30 seconds of Orb, a minute of Quadrophonia, etc. The DJ
|> then releases a tape for sale with his splices and mixes. Does he or she
|> have to get permission from he original artists to do this? Could the DJ
|> be sued for using them without permission?
|>  

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From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: The Birth of the SoCal-Raves mailing list! 
Newsgroups: alt.rave,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: socal-raves mailing list
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:43:50 GMT

tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:
>Could someone please post the sf-raves address?
>(for a friend of mine in sf)

  Since I saw this before Brian...

  To subscribe to the SFRaves list (Covering the San Francisco/Bay
Area) send a message to: 
sfraves-request@soda.berkeley.edu asking to be added to the list.

SFRaves has had quite a bit of volume lately.  Whether that means more
ravers in SF or that SFRavers are just very talkative I don't know  :)

  While I'm at it, the address to subscribe to the ne-raves mailing
list (covering the North-Eastern US) is I believe:
ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu

enjoy.

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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: freeman-elisabeth@CS.YALE.EDU (Elisabeth Freeman)
Subject: NY smart bars/raves
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:36:01 GMT

I'm going to be in NY city tomorrow (Sunday) - are there any smart
bars around I can go to?  I'll be in the Village and Manhattan.

Thanks,

Beth Freeman

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From: wdao@aludra.usc.edu (Walter Dao)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: American rave is nothing like British rave...
Date: 13 Sep 1992 00:58:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <18urlnINN7m9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rjr6@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert J. Reinhardt) writes:
>
>When I was in England this summer, I had the unique experience of
>listening to REAL rave--master mixes of some of the greatest rave
>sampling I've ever heard.  Nothing in America can compare to it!
>-- 
>Rob Reinhardt AKA the night giant (NiteGiant on IRC)
>rjr6@po.cwru.edu
>Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio  U.S.A.
>"2 B GR8 IS 2 B MISUNDERSTOOD." -Ralph Waldo Emerson


Wow ! how did you manage to go to rave(s) in everysingle State of the union
that has them so that you can pass a judgement on their quality compared to 
their british conter part ? 
On what did you pass your judgement ? music type ? crowd type ? what ?

tell us more !

					Walt
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