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From: busker@seanews.akita.com (matt blumenfeld)
Subject: Re: Job ad from Computerworld - want SSN/drug test
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:32:09 GMT

David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:

> I saw the included ad in Computerworld January 18, 1993, page
> 85 - the Computer Careers section.  They want your SSN before
> they even talk to you.  What for?
> 
> There is the other issue of drug testing...
> 
>     - David Horvath
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - Begin Included Text - - - - - - - - - - - -
> *Senior Systems Analyst (UNIX)*
> The district seeks a person for this position who has a Bachelor's
> Degree in Computer Science and at least 2 years experience in UNIX
> on Sun workstations, including 2 years systems tuning and system
> administration.  Experience on DEC Ultrix is a plus.
> ...
> 
> The District offers competitive salaries, excellent benefits, and a
> smoke-free work environment.  After March 1, 1993, all new hires
> will be required to successfully complete a preplacepment drug test.
> For consideration, send your resume, INCLUDING YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY
> NUMBER, to:
> 
> Human Resources Division, Re: CWLS3043, *SOUTH FLORIDA WATER
> MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, 3301  Gun Club Road, West Palm Beach, FL,
> 33416
> 
> Equal Opportunity Employer
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - End Included Text - - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
> OBInfo: Text in *'s bold, text ALL CAPS were all caps in ad.
>         Any spelling mistakes were mine.
> OBDisclaimer: I don't work for them or Computerworld, I just
>         check out the ads.  I wouldn't work for SFWMD.

I would assume that they want to run a credit check onyou as well as, 
probably, a check with the National Crime Information Center. It's hard 
to belive that anyone would want a job this badly. (IMHO, natch.)

--
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busker@seanews.akita.com
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:34:32 GMT

> 
>How do you feel about being forced to have a license plate on any motor
>vehicle you drive?  I don't view it is an act of Big Brother looking down
>on us.  I just see it as a necessary thing which serves to protect all of
>us.
> 
huh...how does a license plate protect us?  i think the purpose of plates
is to get money...period!  what if the gov required you to wear a plate
around your neck when you walked in public so they could...uh...protect
us all??
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Job ad from Computerworld - want SSN/drug test
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:31:13 GMT

In article <11117@rls.UUCP>, randy@rls (Randall L. Smith) writes:
>We in the US deeply distrust our government.  To most of us government
>will primarily serve to take away freedoms and wealth.  The less
>government to us, equals more freedom and more wealth.  

>wealth.  Wealth is diminished due to increases in the role of the
>government in our lives.  This approach may be hard to understand to
>some people just as I find it hard to understand why anyone in any
>country actually wants more and more government. 

What I find hard to understand is how this attitude you guys often
keep talking about jibes with government-mandated drug test programs,
heavy FCC contents censorship, in essence a civil war against
dissidents who disagree on what psychoactive chemicals are OK to use,
proposals like the Digital Telephony mandating an Orwellian phone
network, restrictions on cryptography, secrecy orders on patents,
president thinking atheists are not worthy of citizenship, death
penalties, using armed forces against citizens, federal cops
organizing harassment operations against dissidents (COINTELPRO), bans
on many abortion-related and sex-related things, citizens not allowed
to travel to "wrong" countries and all that jazz.

Much of this is unheard of for example in Finland - police can't
legally listen to any phone calls at all, for example - and Finland
doesn't have this big tradition of freedom and distrust of government
and doesn't even have a good constitution, and those oppressions which
are implemented are implemented mostly in a much more less-violent,
less-oppressive and less-intrusive form.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not meaning this as an insult, I would
really be interested in hearing your views on this.  If I understand
it right Chomsky's answer is that it's because of the media.  (If your
answer is "who is Chomsky" I wonder if it proves Chomsky is right).

Finland has SSN's, by the way, and also has a "personal data
protection act" which sets many limits on how the SSN may be used.
It's still used too much by the big brother, the personal data
protection act mostly covers the little brothers (private sector).

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: craig@adikia.sccsi.com (Craig Groeschel)
Subject: Re: Texas DL SSN and Univ. SSN Use Info
Organization: Craig's Linux gonkulator
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:27:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.154640.2969@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
 foo@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Pine View Alumni '80) writes:
>*JUST* called our local public safety office
>and got the lowdown on the new Texas requirement of your SSN.
>....She SPECIFICALLY told me...that it is for INTERNAL USE **ONLY**.
>It will in no shape or form be given out to any body for any reason.

Oh, absolutely.  Cross her heart and hope to die?
Seriously, is there such a requirement?  You might want to add tx.general
to your list of newsgroups.

>Now for some info that you may find interesting ....
[story about student using fake ID's to check out books]
I don't suppose they could key on the student's NAME?
Oh, I forget: university students are just numbers. 8-|

Good idea about generating a university ID, though.  I don't know why
all these organizations which require a SSN can't generate their own
identifying number.  Kinda makes one wonder, doesn't it?
-- 
Why does everyone from cmu call newsgroups bboards?
From: cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:32:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


mcover@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Coverdill) writes:
 
> Get *two* phone lines.
 
> Put an answering machine on the first line. This number will get
> published in the telco book. Use it to call business's, etc that can
> get your number anyway just by looking in the book or using ANI.
                                                              ^^^
What is ANI?
 
> Give out the second line's number to family and friends. It will not
> be published in the telco book unless you specifically request it.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Did you *specifically request* that your *first* number be published?
The way I remember, one has to pay *extra* to have a number *unlisted*,
whether it is your first line of your tenth.
 
> This may be a bit more expensive solution (but you have to pay for Caller
> ID too) but I tend to tie up the phone line....
> It is worth it to avoid unwanted calls.
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do you mean to say that telemarketers won't just dial in sequence every
number with a given prefix?  C'mon.  They can just dial sequentially until
the end of time.  If you told me just the name of the city in which you live,
I could call you up on your unlisted number.  How?  I just look in the front
of the phone book for the prefix key.  That's where they list which cities
have which prefix (the first three digits of your seven-digit phone number).
I find out that say, Akron has the prefix of say, 567, and start dialing.
567-0000, 567-0001, 567-0002 and so on.  I bet that by 567-9999, I'd find
you.  And if you weren't home, I could always just save that number on my
database to try to nag you again later.  Yes, cities can have more than one
prefix.  But if I'm a telemarketing blood-sucker, that'd just give me all
the more numbers to call to disturb people!  :-)
 
If having an unlisted phone number could stop telemarketers from dialing us,
I bet a good many fellow telemarketer haters would not have written in to
share our frustration re: telemarketing leeches.
 
John
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.drugs,misc.jobs.misc
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Job ad from Computerworld - want SSN/drug test
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:06:35 GMT

volpe@bart.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Christopher R Volpe) writes:

>When I took out a car loan, and also when I moved into my apartment, I 
>had to sign forms allowing the credit reporting agency to release
>this info to the lending institution and apartment complex, respectively.
>Can the prospective employer run such a credit check without your signing 
>a similar form?

When I was a bill collector, we could run a credit check on anybody,
anytime.   We would do this to find someone, or to find things out
about them.    Their permision was never an issue, as they were often
on the lam or simply somewhere different from our last known address
for them.

JD

Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.drugs,misc.jobs.misc
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Medical data banks? (was Job ad wants SSN/drug test)
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:34:40 GMT

bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood) writes:
><*>  This is also interesting...  Does anyone have the address on the
>Medical Information Bureau??

>    I saw a quick report on them on my local news.  From what I was
>able to catch, anyone can write to them to get copies of whatever
>is written on you (medically).  

>    This seems to be the main storage center of medical information that 
>is used by and contributed to from nearly all major insurance companies.  
>If you ever went to the Doctor to fix a toe nail - the whole story is in 
>their files.  And Lord help you if you have a disease that those "with 
>inquiring minds" wish to know..they will find out here.

>    It seems like this is much like that little form you can fill out
>to find out how many quarters you've paid into Social Security.  I
>just don't recall the address.  I'm pretty sure it's somewhere in 
>Virginia..    Who  knows????

Anyone got any more info? I've heard of this too but thought it was based
in Boston or the northeast somewhere. 

This is really ugly stuff - to me it implies that they could be running
check on medical history as a pre-employment screening, perhaps to weed
out folks with any history of psychological treatment, drug rehabs, or
any history of serious illness. Somehow I doubt that this is regulated and 
scrutized to the extent that Credit reporting is. Most likely it's totally
run as a service to the insurance business with their interests met. I'm
very curious what rights we have to see the information and to contest it's
accuracy if necessary. I also wonder if this information is marketed and
sold like credit reports - aren't doctors bound by some rights of the 
privacy of a patient? I'd be surprised if the info is freely available to
folks like potential employers, but I'd love to get some conformation 
one way or the other. 

  - Malcolm  
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From: noah@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Noah Spurrier)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.drugs,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: email privacy laws
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:04:26 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan21.160158.18814@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>
>are their any federal or state laws protecting the privacy of email???
>why are email software packages not including encryption options??
>please send email since i don't always read this group regularly.


I don't think that Email is at all covered by any sort of privacy laws. HA HA
In fact, wasn't it Borland who was suing one of their EX-executives and their
main chunk of evidence was his Email that they "stole". I think they caught
him selling trade secrets. 

A friend of mine says that the NSA/CIA whatever does regular keyword
scanning of all trafic through backbone sites. I don't know how true this
is, but then he was actually investiged by the FBI...

IN FACT, I on't think that even the U.S. Mail is covered by any sort of
true privacy laws. I know that a mail carrier can be fired if he reads
postcards, but that is another matter. From what paranoid gossip I have
read, the Post Office can open any piece of mail (ostensibly to check for
drugs/guns/plutonium.) They don't have to tell you. If I remember what I was
told correctl, you can write on the outside that you DO NOT want the letter
to be opened. If they run into one of those then they have to get your
permission to open the letter OR they don't have to deliever it. Don't
believe me. This is all second hand info.

I have seen some mailers that include a form of public key cryptography
(napsacks, which is now shown to be INSECURE.) but this does not seem
to be widely used. I guess your best bet is to make your own adhoc
crypto-system. Use PGP.

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From: kaplan@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Peter Kaplan -Yodh)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: NJ Inspectors invade PA and NY
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:22:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.privacy
Organization: Laboratory for Research on the Structure of Matter, University of Pennsylvania

In article <93025.084650MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (David B. Horvath, CDP) writes:
>Philadelphia Inquirer, Monday January 25, 1993:
>In from NJ to bag their own tags.  Insurance fraud investigators were
>taking down numbers.  Drivers found to be living outside the state will
>face fines.
>By Doreen Carvajal Inquirer Staff Writer
>
>   Shortly after daybreak, Elizabeth Ortiz paused to count the slippery
>catch of the dat that yielded three Mercedeses, a Jaguar and several
>gleaming specimens of Cadillac's new luxury edition, the Allante.
>

Sorry, but I'm basically on the Jersey Gov'ts side on this one.
They are actually going around on the streets, looking with their
eyes for probable/possible violators FIRST and  THEN checking electronically
for proof of a violation.

The usual/current fashionable approach would have been to download all
information about current addresses for -everybody- living in PA, NY, and
NJ, then comb through the files for possible criminals -- in the process
checking through EVERYONE's file.  Let's hear it for limiting their searches!

Oh yeah, the insurance thing -- while NJ is the most expensive state,
Philadelphia is the most expensive city (with NYC not far behind).
I've heard of people in Phil. registering their cars in NYC to save on
insurance.

--Peter (kaplan@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: No Privacy/Equality at Doctor's Office
Originator: wex@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:26:43 GMT


In article <1k3406INNg7t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron) writes:
|> From: cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron)
|> Subject: No Privacy/Equality at Doctor's Office
|> Date: 26 Jan 93 10:32:38 GMT
|> 
|> 
|> Here's an issue that you may not have considered yet.  Why should
|> your doctor get to know your home address and phone number if
|> he/she/it won't divulge his/her/its personal information?
|>  
|> If we do supply the home information, what right does a doctor
|> have to expect us to divulge our work info. also?  Yes, it may
|> be needed to track down deadbeats that won't pay their bills.
|> But what if we have insurance coverage or pay cash at each visit?


|> Has anyone tried to give only a P.O. box when seeing a doctor for
|> the first time?

Yes, nobody batted an eye, no complaints when I told them my phone
is unlisted, either.


(When I lived in the real boonies, my address was RR4 , zipcode)
(RR= Rural Route; formerly RFD (rural Free Delivery)).

. . .


|> Has anyone out there tried to supply a P.O. box in lieu of an
|> actual home address when filling out all those forms when first
|> seeing a given doctor?  Your input, please.

see above

|> I've heard of a dual-pricing scam being run by the medical
|> profession.  Ever notice that when you go into the office of some
|> specialist for something that it's hard to get any sort of fee
|> information without being asked about whether the bill is going
|> to be paid by you by an insurance company?  Hmmm....

You get the same thing at the auto body shop


|> As always, your non-flaming feedback is most welcome.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^

Aw, you take all the fun out of it...

-- 

	...Wex
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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,ca.driving,misc.consumers,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Am I being sleazed by this insurance company?
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:44:46 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1993Jan27.132948.11484@crd.ge.com> volpe@ausable.crd.ge.com writes:
>My insurance company wanted this information. As for how the insurance company
>found out about them, they simply ask you for the names of the other people
>in the household who WON'T be listed as drivers.
---
	Guess it depends on how you define a 'household'.  If they live in
a separate room in the same building does that qualify?  Under that
definition, an apartment complex would qualify, since they are separate
rooms in the same building.  If I live in a dorm with a roommate, does
that qualify as a household?  I know of some households that rent out
1 room, have 1-2 people/room, and have 6-8 rooms!  "Like I'm so
sure" I'm gonna put 12 people down on their form.  If you live in a
commune, do you put down the contents of the entire commune?  

	I still say it sounds bogus.

-wat-
-- 

:: If pro-choice means choice after conception, does this apply to men too? ::
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From: figmo@netcom.com (Lynn Gold)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.drugs,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: email privacy laws
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:28:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan25.202810.5593
Organization: The Burn the Candle at Both Ends Club

The Electronic Privacy Act of 1986 covers snooping on private email.

What are the official rules regarding reading unprotected email when
the person who left his or her email had the option of protecting
their email?

--Lynn


-- 
Lynn Gold				           figmo@netcom.com

Worst pickup line of the decade:
   "You're so cute, so pretty.  I've got the beer if you've got the
time, you know.  I've been all around the world.  Would you like to
see some human remains and intestines I have in the back of my van?"
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,ca.driving,misc.consumers,misc.legal
From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Subject: Re: Am I being sleazed by this insurance company?
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:37:39 GMT


Personally, I can't see how it's any of their business what your roommates'
license numbers are.  As you said, you *did* sign the exclusion.  Are they
sleazy to ask?  I'm not so sure.  Can you blame them for seeing information
it might be in their interests to have?  I do think it's insulting though.
Heck, you signed an agreement.  Will they not trust you to keep your word?
Sometimes things like that make me take my business elsewhere.  It's also
why I have always refused to pirate non-protected software; the company
implies by action (omitting cp) that it trusts me, so I will live up to it.
In your place, I too would refuse to give the indicated information without
1) the written permission of your roommate(s), and 2) a written statement of
purpose from the insurance company.

-JTT

Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: bbowen@megatest.com (Bruce Bowen)
Subject: CA Seatbelt law
Organization: Megatest Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:09:27 GMT

  Read in today's paper that CA's new seatbelt law is being "strictly
enforced."  They also said that if you have any prior violations (not
just seatbelt violations) the fine is substantially higher.  They went
into the case of a passenger who was fined $115 for not wearing his
belt.

  Now the question is, what if the passenger "neglected" to bring any
identification with him?  What's the cop gonna do in this case?  Since
he wasn't the driver he can't be cited for driving without a licence.
A cop could ask you your name and you could tell him, but you probable
(honestly) could not remember you DL #, and unless they have that it's
very difficult to uniquely identify you.  Sounds like a way to fuck up
enforcement of this law.

-Bruce
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From: palmer@icat.larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:17:26 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: icat.larc.nasa.gov

cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron) writes:

>Do you mean to say that telemarketers won't just dial in sequence every
>number with a given prefix?  C'mon.  They can just dial sequentially until
>the end of time.  If you told me just the name of the city in which you live,

Precisely.  Many of my collegues have unlisted numbers, and they ALL still
get annoying (dinner-time) telemarketing calls.  Solution?  Use the answering
machine to screen calls.  Caller-Number ID won't work, since I'd still HAVE
to pick up the phone if I didn't recognize the number, since it might be a
friend calling from a service station needing a ride home 'cause of car
trouble or something.  You never know where people you WANT to talk to are
going to call FROM.

Better than the answering machine would be (free) boxes that don't even
ring your phone unless the caller types in an access code.  Or, if you'd
still like to let acquaintances call (say, to invite you to dinner), you
could have the phone ring *differently* if the correct access code was typed
in... then you can, at your whim, either pick up or not pick up (especially
around 5:00p to 7:30p).

Just a thought.  Any boxes like this available NOW?  How much?

-- 
Michael T. Palmer, M/S 152, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA 23681
Voice: 804-864-2044,   FAX: 804-864-7793,   Email: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov
RIPEM Public Key now available  --  Consider it an envelope for your e-mail
From: sean@cobra.dra.com
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Op-ed piece on telephone Caller ID
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:45:36 CST
Organization: Data Research Associates, Inc.

In article <1jir13INNeve@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron) writes:
> How do you feel about being forced to have a license plate on any motor
> vehicle you drive?  I don't view it is an act of Big Brother looking down
> on us.  I just see it as a necessary thing which serves to protect all of
> us.

Just a little while ago there was a newspaper story about the state of
New York sending tax collectors to New Jersey to write down the license
plate numbers of cars parked in shopping malls with New York State plates.

They then sent the owners of those cars letters demanding that they pay
New York Sales (or Use) Tax on anything they purchased in New Jersey and
brought back to New York State.

-- 
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
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