From: doug@lpf.umd.edu (<*does not exist*>)
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Re: alt.personals and enforced monogomy
Summary: -=-=-< explanations for the idiot mike steiner >-=-=-
Keywords: -=-=-< mike steiner is an idiot without a clue >-=-=-
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:18:35 GMT
Followup-To: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com,mike_steiner@qm.claris.com
Organization: hah!  we don't need no steenkin' organization!
Cc: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com
Bcc: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com

In article <15105@claris.com> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:

>In article <01GO4MBBWZ00000A1W@addvax.llnl.gov>, HOLMES@VAXT.llnl.gov ("WHAT, ME WORRY?") writes:
>> 
>> In regards to Mike:
>> 
>> 1. I have never once asked that Darryl quit his service. I even asked HIM
>>    if there was another service available. Of course, I got a rude reply,
>>    but we won't go into that now.
>>> 2. I am an anal-retentive.......I WAS QUOTING CHEVY CHASE FROM SNL NEWS!!
>>    (Jane, you ignorant slut) during a debating session.
>> 
>> 3. I never stop anyone, or try to stop anyone from there freedom of speech.
>>    I would never stoop so low as to call someone a bigot in order to shut
>>    them up. I will, however, tell someone to shut up before they make more
>>    of an ass of themselves. (sorry you didn't take that advise)
>> 
>> 4. You seem to jump the gun on alot of issues. We are not trying to get Darryl
>>    to step down or stop his service...YOU IDIOT (sorry, slipped out).. we 
>>    are trying to get a NEW, repeat after me, N-E-W, service that isn't so
>>    moralistically(sp) judgemental. I don't like it when someone tells me I
>>    can't do something, and it looks like neither do you.
>>
>> 5. You really should get a grip and slow down on the namecalling, and READ
>>    the postings before you jump. I definitely can see that you are single,
>>    and why.
>> 
>> question- Why on earth would anybody call someone a bigot because they want
>>           to stop descrimination? Really Mike, choose your words better. 
>>           I was impressed with your namecalling however. As soon as I can
>>           get back into freenet, I will definitely add a few of those to 
>>           my .sig. ;-)
>
>Let's put this into perspective.  there were a number of people moralizing
>about Darryl's service and calling it discriminatory and telling him that
>he should change his policies or shut it down.  His policies are not 

	that was me.  he *is* being discriminatory, and *i* believe (read
it is *my* opinion) that he should change his service or shut it down.  of 
course, it is *his* choice as to whether he does this or doesn't do this.
*NOBODY* is arguing that he doesn't have the right to be discriminatory.  only
that it isn't appreciated by *everyone*.

>discriminatory; they do not preclude anyone from using this newsgroup.

	are you really that stupid?  or is it that you neither read his
faq/how to post on the acs/ecs, his own statements, or those of people
who are posting (both sides) on this issue, or is it that you simply have
not learned what those squiggly lines are on the screen, or what they mean!
(this seems to be the case of the probablility of an monkey learning to
use the computer without know how to read, then typing the sentences by
random character generation.... practically impossible, but statistically
possible!)

>When he answered them, they came down upon him with righteous indignation and
>abuse, while portraying themselves as the defenders of goodness and light.  I

	you are an idiot.  nobody claimed anything of the sort!  please produce
the posts.... in context!  some people claimed that it is morally wrong to
discriminate against some.  others claimed that it is not the position of
someone in the administartion 'seat' to be discrininatory.  others claimed
that they like the service.  nobody claimed anyone was good or bad/defenders
or destroyers of goodness and light/evil or darkness.  you are being
mellodramatic, and are throwing out those 'red herrings' to confuse people
into not understanding the points or the arguements.  in fact, you are
doing a lot of posturing, name calling, and attempting to create a high
visibility profile in order to give your diatribes some weight, while 
completely obfusticating (sp?) the true arguements and facts.
	(in terms you can understand:  if you can't dazzle them with
brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.  and don't let the facts get in the 
way of your opinions!)

>got sick of this sanctimony and tried to point out to them that they were
>guilty of the very things that they were accusing Darryl of being.  That, in

	you're a looney!

>turn, got me flamed--so, I started flaming back.  Somewhere along the line,
>you joined in the flames against me, so I included you in my retorts.  I did
>not start the name-calling, but I do reply in kind when others instigate it.
>

	you *are* a looney!

>I suggested to the name callers that they start their own ACS or ECS if they
>didn't like Darryl's, but none of them seemed to be interested in that (at 
>least, not in their public messages), but semed rather more interested in
>flaming anyone who disagreed with them.
>

	and a rather stupid one, at that!  
	i stated that i am working on the resources to do just that!  others
have also stated the same.  one person already has the mechanism in place,
but wants to create a new group.  (i disagree with the need for another
newsgroup in the alt.persoanls.*, as we have enough, and he can have it
co-exist with the other ecs, but that, too is *MY* opinion!)  the only 
person that seems interested in being a 'flaming' as***le seems to be you!
in addition, you seen to think that if you look at a post and it looks like
it says something then you really don't have to read it very carefully.
just pick out a word or to and 'off you go'!  try to not dis-engage your
brain before you sit in front of your terminal!  it might help you to
understand things better.

>> In closing.....maybe your heart is in the right place, but you should really
>> make sure that your brain is in gear before you get behind the keyboard. 
>> Keep posting those anonymous ads through your wonderful service, but maybe
>> you should let someone else write them. Just a thought,
>
>BTW, I don't post anything anonymously now; Darryl won't let me--because,
>contrary to your assumptions, I am married.


	jeezus!  that poor woman!  she is either extermely tolerant, 
exceptionally patient, both, or she just ignores you most of the time!
	don't you realize that by the above statement you have just proved
that the service is discriminatory????  are you really that dense!!???
(of course you are!)
	another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
	as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	"presidential elections are planned distractions
	 to divert attention from the actions behind the scenes....
	 like a game of chess when the house is a mess, or
	 a petty money squabble when your marriage is in trouble,
	 or a football game when there's rioting in the street!

	 it's just another movie.....  another song and dance.....
	 another poor sucker who never had a chance!
	 it's just another captain goin' down with his ship.....
	 it's just another jerk, taking pride in his work!

				       greetings from timbuck three!
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