From: tdn7039@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Thomas Nguyen)
Subject: Re: [REL] Gia'o Ly' DDa.o Pha^.t
Reply-To: tdn7039@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:50:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.182235.23646@news.media.mit.edu>, tran@neep.engr.wisc.edu writes:
>Ba.n TDN,
>   1. Ba.n la.i hie^?u la^`m PG nu+~a ro^`i#.  Ba.n co' cho ra(`ng su+. tu+. thie^u cu?a Ho`a
>Thu+o+.ng Thi'ch Qua?ng DDu+'c, pha^.t tu+? Qua'ch Thi. Trang du+o+'i tho+`i
> Ngo^ DDi`nh Die^.m,
>cu?a 12 ta(ng ni o+? chu`a Du+o+.c Su+ sau khi CS chie^'m nie^`n Nam, va`
> ga^`n dda^y TT
>Thi'ch Huye^`n Quang ba^'t cha^'p su+. nga(n ca^'m cu?a chi'nh quye^`n dda~ 
>ddi du+. va` ddo.c
>die^~n va(n trong dda'm tang cu?a Ho`a Thu+o+.ng Thi'ch DDo^n Ha^.u cu`ng 
>pho^? bie^'n ba?n
>tuye^n ngo^n 9 ddie^?m le^n a'n che^' ddo^. CS, va` nhie^`u tu si~, cu+ si~ 
>kha'c nhu+ Thi'ch
>Thuye^`n A^'n, Thi'ch Tri' Sie^u, DDoa`n Vie^'t Hoa.t v..v..vi` pha?n ddo^'i
> chi'nh sa'ch
>phi nha^n cu?a CS ma` bi. tu` dda`y, ha`nh ha. v..v.. la` thu. ddo^.ng,
> nga^.m mie^.ng, an
>tha^n, an pha^.n hay kho^ng?  Cho^'ng co^.ng o+? My~ thi` ai cho^'ng 
>cu~ng ddu+o+.c pha?i kho^ng ba.n? 
               Ba.n no'i ra^'t -du'ng! va` nhu*~ng da^~n chu*'ng above la` co'
tha^.t.  tui kho^ng co' nghi~ -de^'n ca'c "su* cu." na`y khi tui vie^'t ba`i 
e^'t say (essay)tui (frog drunk)ma`! Nhu*ng ba.n bie^'t tui nghi~ sao kho^ng?

Nhu*~ng nha` su* na`y quye^n sinh -de^? ba?o ve^. PG's interests  khi ho.
tha^'y quye^`n lo*.i (power)cu?a  pha^.t gia'o bi. -du.ng cha.m.
Tu.i nghi~ ne^'u ma` ca'c nha` su* na`y la`m o*n bo? chu`a hoa`n tu.c ma` 
la(n lo^.n trong nha^n gian va` di`u da('t va` ba?o ve^. quye^`n lo*.i cu?a
dda so^' -do^`ng ba`o thi` hay bie^'t ma^'y.
     (tui bie^'t the^' na`o cu~ng bi. le^'n a'n vi` ca'i to^.i kho^ng
ki'nh tro.ng tha^`y chu`a " but what the heck.. I am what I'm)
theo tui nghi~ ngu*o*`i tha^'u trie^.t PG, kho^ng co`n tham vo.ng, kho^ng
co`n nghi~ -de^'n su*. sinh to^`n die^.t vong nu*~a !

>Ne^'u ddo.c li.ch su+? VN thi` ba.n se~ tha^'y tho+`i na`o ma` PG hu+ng thi.nh,
>vi' du. Ly', Tra^`n v..v.. thi` tho+`i ddo' da^n ti`nh to^'t dde.p, quo^'c
> gia phu' cu+o+`ng.
  Well, this is attribute to leaderships and characters of the rulers
 which make or break the people. But, you got the point, that is, religious
beliefs and social  conditions are interwined). Three or four  thousands years
ago,before Buddism introduced to China, China under king Chu Hi(sp)( the one
who discovered the mysteries of the I-ching on a piece of turtle shell) had a 
peaceful and prosperous period and  as many other nations such as Greeks,
Egyptians, and the Mayans(south America) etc.also had  periods of prosperious
time. 
So therefore, Buddhism wasn't not the cause for peaceful and prosperous VN
 under Ly' Tra^`n.

>Ne^'u kho^ng co' ti`nh thi` la`m sao trong PG co' nhu+~ng ta'c pha^?m 
>va(n chu+o+ng, nghe^.
>thua^.t dde^? ddo+`i#?  Va^'n dde^` la` la`m chu? ti`nh ca?m hay dde^? 
>cho ti`nh ca?m chi pho^'i#.
>Nhu+~ng su+. tu ta^.p trong PG cha(?ng qua chi? dde^? co' the^? va^.n
> du.ng ti`nh ca?m ddu'ng cho^~.

the^' thi` ba.n TVLCTN la`m ca'ch na`o ma` ta^m ba.n thinh la(.ng khi 
lo`ng  ba.n bi. ti`nh possesses(sp)? ( tui ho?i giu`m cho ma^'y ba.n bi. ca'c
nu*~ ho^` ly tinh hoa`nh ha`nh  ta'ng  ie^u(sp)  ta'c qua'i :)
   Ti`nh co' nhie^`u nghi~a.. nhu*ng ti`nh na`o cu~ng co' -dau kho^?
 including ti`nh cao thu*o(*.ng nha^'t, -do' la` thu*o*ng xo't chu'ng sanh.


> Ngu+o+`i co' ho.c die^~n dda.t tu+ tu+o+?ng theo ca'ch cu?a ngu+o+`i co'
> ho.c.  Ngu+o+`i bi`nh
>da^n die^~n dda.t tu tu+o+?ng theo ca'ch cu?a ngu+o+`i bi`nh da^n. 
> Kho^ng co' ca'ch na`o ho+n
>ca'ch na`o#.  Nhu+ng chu+?i lo^.n thi` kho^ng pha?i la` ca'ch die^~n dda.t
> tu+ tu+o+?ng cu?a ngu+o+`i
>bi`nh da^n cu~ng nhu+ cu?a ngu+o+`i co' ho.c, ba.n co' ddo^`ng y' kho^ng? 

   Ba.n a`, tui tu*` la^u co^' ga('ng ta^.p kho^ng -da'nh gia' con
ngu*o*`i co' a(n ho.c hay kho^ng co' a(n ho.c.  Tui me^'n ai co'
lo`ng nha^n tu*` ba'c a'i. Co`n va^'n -de^` giu*?a  ngu*o*`i co' ba(`ng
ca('p hai ba ma?nh va` ngu*o*`i kho^ng co' ba(`ng ca('p, to^i coi ho.
bi`nh -da(?ng kho^ng thie^n vi. ai, kho^ng ne^? tro.ng ai. Co`n co' 
ba(`ng ca('p ma` la'u ca' thi`.. thi`.. tui cho -di "-die^.n ba` ddu"!
> Chu'ng ta co' the^?
>ho.c ddu+o+.c cu?a nhau ra^'t nhie^`u, nhu+ng tre^n die^~n dda`n SCV to^i
> cho ra(`ng chu'ng ta
>kho^ng ca^`n pha?i du`ng nhu+~ng danh tu+` khie^'m nha~ hoa(.c chu+?i nhau
> mo+'i co' the^? ho.c ddu+o+.c cu?a nhau#.

Khi tui co' gi` a^'p u? , to^i no'i nhanh no'i ma.nh,no'i nhu* gio' ba~o,
nhu* sa^'m cho*'p, nhu*ng ba.n -du*`ng co' nghi? la^`m la` tui 
"chu*?i lo^.n" nhe' ba.n!
Ngoa`i ra to^i bie^'t khi ba`n ve^` chi'nh tri. hoa(.c to^n gia'o
so*'m muo^.n gi` cu~ng co' heat! tha`nh ra, ba.n tin to^i -di, ne^'u
chu'ng ta co' su*. ba^'t -do^`ng escalate, Ba.n cu*' no'i Thomas, you
are out of control!, thi` to^u se~ -da^`u ha`ng ba.n tru*o*'c va` ru't lui.


bye,

TDN

ps. @RIT, sometimes, I can't get current news until two or three days later.
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