From: isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: XEMU Revisited
Date: 13 Dec 92 13:55:27 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Dec13.024212.27909@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.111853.4552@memstvx1.memst.edu>
> isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu writes: 
>>In article <Bz2JBp.HFI.2@cs.cmu.edu>, lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald
>>Lindsay) writes: 
>>> 
>>> isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>>>    Other "secret teachings" of Scientology include a ridiculous story
>>>>about volcanoes, atom bombs, and body thetans.  Nothing even resembling
>>>>this can be found anywhere in Scientology.  This can't be verified 
>>>>not because its a secret, but because these teachings DO NOT EXIST.
>>> 
>>> I've heard the Xenu thing from too many sources, with too much
>>> consistency, for me to agree. In fact, someone posted just recently,
>>> mentioning "incident two", which is a reference to Xenu.
>>>
>>
>>   Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.  In fact, if you believed
>>everything just because you heard something similar from a different
>>source, you'd have joined Scientology a long time ago.
> 
> OK, Xe[mn]u isn't a teaching of Scn.  So what's the Wall of Fire
> about? 
>

   Xemu isn't a Scientology teaching.  The wall of fire is basically
about a disaster that occured a long time ago and laid waste to a
very large chunk of real-estate in this part of the galaxy.  That's
about all I know about it.
 
>>   Perhaps it could be true that something like that is a part of
>>the OTIII materials.  However, EVERYTHING that I have ever read about
>>this story has had SEVERE inconsistency with what is known to be
>>Church teachings.
> 
> Could you expand on this a bit?  Everything I've read seems quite
> consistent.  
>

   Consistent with other false reports.  Its inconsistent with A LOT
of teachings of the church.

   I don't doubt that the Xemu story is consistent with other accounts
of the Xemu story you may have read.  But, its not consistent with
Scientology books and tapes that you haven't read.
 
>>   Also, I've never heard this story directly from LRH books or tapes.
>>I've looked and have found lots of equally if not more strange ideas
>>than Xemu and volcanoes.  Much of this stuff that is known to be LRH
>>teachings is STRANGE sounding but NONE of it is a secret.
> 
> Could you give us your slant on what happened when the Xe[mn]u
> material was released to the public as part of a Scn trial in Calif
> several years ago, and Scn'ers flooded the records office to keep the
> info from becoming public?  Did this event happen?  Did any of the
> info get into the hands of the public?  Did they die 37 days after
> reading it? 
>

   Friends of mine that were there report that many scientologists
stood in line at the court house to keep the reports out of the news.
Evidently this did happen.  Some of the info must have gotten into
public hands, and as far as I know nobody died from reading it.  But
what you read from the LA Times, and books critical of Scientology
can't be actual teachings of the church.  
 
>>   What could the Church possibly have to gain by keeping the Xemu
>>story a secret if they openly sell books and tapes that describe much
>>weirder things such as implants, the GE, the Marcab Confederacy, etc?
> 
> So they didn't flood the records office with requests to copy the
> material, in order to keep it from getting out?
>

   No, they did flood the records office with requests, but what you
have read as a report is FALSE.  Its not a church teaching.  Anyone
who knows basic Scientology theory will notice several things about
the Xemu story that contradict the basic points of Scientology.

   Also, if the Xemu story WERE true, I'm sure RTC would have a 
copyright on it and you would never see it reprinted.
 
> 	RA
> 
> rogue@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (The Rogue Agent)
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John Holifield


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