HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: htn@cs.columbia.edu (Hoa T Nguyen)
Subject: Re: S.C.A.A Party -- August 6
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:00:36 GMT

>In article E7A@acsu.buffalo.edu, ningwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ning Wang) writes:
>>Pak: Well, it all began 3 months ago, when I realized that all those people
>>  in soc.culture.asian.american are losers! They're mostly nerdy new immigrants
>>  who are destroying the Asian American race! It is because of them, that we
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  goodlooking 5th generation Asian Americans, not to be confused with Asians,
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  are losing popularity with our Caucassian Female goddesses!! Therefore, I
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  did the only thing any competant/righteous Asian American stud would have
>>  done: I created my own Asian AMERICAN Mailing List to form a powerhouse
>>  of studs that can still grab Caucassian Female goddesses!
>
>I suspect the real studs aren't even logged in.
>
>OK, I 'fess up.  The main reason I've been off the net all summer is that
>I've started going out with an Irish-American goddess* whom I happen to 
>have adored since high school (12 years ago).  >sigh<  I've realized that
>s.c.a.a, together with back-to-back stints at multiethnically backward
>universities, had poisoned my outlook on dating, and so it's good to be
>with someone who remembers me before it all started.  But we'll be long-
>distance when the school year begins, so I imagine I'll be posting again
>in full force in the fall.
>
>*Come to the party if you want to see pictures!  :-)

OK, I admit this is the first time I have wandered on to this newsgroup but I 
just want to know is the above (^) statement for real?????  Just
because you so-proclaimed "goodlooking 5th generation Asian Americans" can't
get any from "Caucassian Female goddesses" or I suspect from anybody else
for that matter, don't be blaming it on immigrant Asians.  And who said
immigrant Asians aren't studs and goddesses in their own right...maybe you 
haven't been looking in the right corners.

And another thing, Andrew, does she like you for who you are now or how you 
were before "it" (hopefully meanning your increased Asian American awareness) 
started.  Is this a viscious cycle where when you don't have any "-American
goddesses" to go out with you're in with Asian Americans and when you do you're
not?  Just curious.

Hoa.
From: lchsu@cayley.waterloo.edu (Leon C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:36:56 GMT

In article <l6mplrINNp1f@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>
>I can see your point of view, but let me tell you about life in the
>United States.  I live with a family from China.  Mom, Dad, daughter
>and grandma.  They quit paying for health insurance because it cost
>too much.  Dad one day was fixing the roof, fell off, hit his head and
>spent two weeks in intensive care.  He was in a coma for a whole week
>and they had to drill into his brain to get rid of the blood clots.
>He is home now, but cannot work for at least the next year.  Total
>medical costs came to in excess of $500,000.  That's half a million
>dollars!

Let me tell you about life in Canada (or at least Ontario).
Here we have a government that believes that everyone has a
right to basic medical care. So, everyone is insured. Call
it socialized medicine, call it whatever you want. The point
is, everyone is covered for reasonable medical expenses,
regardless of whether or not they are filthy rich and can
afford it, or are unfortunate enough that they can't.
just a little propoganda for your soul.

-leon.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:31:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul30.163128.12581
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul30.001737.9673@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>Since everyone seems to be missing *my* point (points, actually),

	No, we got them fine.

	They just happen to be wrong.



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:06:53 GMT
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In regard to aliens working at government labs,

Ed Hall writes :

>I was in Livermore National Lab and found out US citizenship is not 
>required for some permanent positions. Besides, foreign students with 
>F1 visa etc. can be postdoc in government research labs. 

Terry Cheung asks:

>Are you sure?  Are non-citizens allowed to go inside the gates, or 
>are they just allowed to be in a very few buildings outside the lab?

The amount of security varies tremendously from lab to lab. Livermore,
which is a weapons lab, have very strict rules that forbid any visitors
from anywhere except for a tiny visitor's area. At Berkeley, where I
work, the security is so lax as to be pointless. Entering cars are
checked, but anyone can get on the shuttle bus and ride merrily past
the gate.

As for non-citizens working at a government lab, there is a mini-UN
at Berkeley with researchers from all over the world. On my floor,
there are scientists from Turkey, Iraq, Kenya, China, Italy, Germany,
you name the country and we've probably got someone from there.

Joe Huang
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: A hot market (was: History of family name)
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:20:11
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
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	<1992Jul27.103321.29966@csusac.csus.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com
In-reply-to: chenh@neptune.ecs.csus.edu's message of Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:33:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.103321.29966@csusac.csus.edu> chenh@neptune.ecs.csus.edu (H. Philip Chen) writes:

>    AT&T, MCI, PacBell, PG&E, BofA, along of some other major companies,
>    do have ads in various ethnic languages -- these ads have ethnic people/
>    voices and also the appropriate characters/words on the screen; all 
>    professionally and tastefully done.  These ads can be found on ethnic 
>    channels such as KTSF26 (Bay Area).

  Hmmm, now that I think about it, sometimes when I ride the train to
work I notice an advertising poster by one of the banks in Boston,
that is written in Chinese.  (I usually stand there trying to read it,
but unfortunately right now I am only familiar with about 1/4 of the
characters).  I seem to recall it is not an Asian-specific bank; just
one of the regular banks around here deciding to push on that market I
guess.

--
--
Dave Hiebeler                  | hiebeler@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation  | (617) 234-4070
From: hirota@sluggo.sdsc.edu (Bryan Hirota)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Date: 30 Jul 1992 01:12:14 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: sluggo.sdsc.edu

In article <1992Jul30.001737.9673@tamsun.tamu.edu> achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>Since everyone seems to be missing *my* point (points, actually),
>I probably should have made them in the original post:
>
>1.  Trudeau reinforces the misperception that Asian-Americans
>    are taking over and running away with all the goodies, when
>    the fact is that National Merit Scholars are the exception
>    among Asian-Americans, not the rule.  ("Asian-Americans are
>    winning all the scholarships!  What could they possibly have
>    to complain about?")

OK, if I stretch a little and squint real hard (not too difficult with
these slanted eyes of mine) I'll concede that one.

>
>2.  I for one resent having my scholastic achievements used as
>    an object lesson for Caucasian students to study harder.
>    They were the product of Real American public schools, and
>    are an asset to Real America, not a threat.

To me, the point that Gary Trudeau was trying to make was that the
only reason that Asians Americans do better (if in fact, they do) is
that they study longer.  It was not a motivational tactic to cause alarm
to white society, but a dispersion of the myth that we have unnatural
intelligence.  It's much like the myth that black athletes don't have
to try as hard.  All those myths do is diminish the achievements of
these minorities by explaining away their achievements that surpass the
efforts of the caucasian mainstream.  Truedeau was in fact pointing out
that, maybe the reason they do better... is that they try harder.

>
>But seeing as these points were too subtle for s.c.a.a, what
>hope would I have with Trudeau?
>-- 
>Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
>achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
>                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

This brings to mind, one other point.  When we open our eyes and see the
world as it really is,  at first it can be a bitter pill to swallow.
We must not lose our sense of humor and jump on everything that does
not comform to our own point of view.  By becoming too reactive we run
the risk of becoming irrelevant (ok, not like we're relevant now) and end
up sounding like an Al Sharpton on drugs (you mean he's not?).

To me, personally, I found nothing offensive in the cartoons and 
enjoyed them.

=============================================================================
Bryan Hirota						      hirota@sdsc.edu
"You're absolutely right, Mr. Man"			     bhirota@ucsd.edu
=============================================================================
From: nina@panix.com (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:47:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <YAMAUCHI.92Jul23201129@heron.cs.rochester.edu> yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:

>However, the question "Where are you from?" doesn't offend me at all
>-- because I've found that it almost always means "Where are you
>from?"

>Perhaps it's a result of living my adult life in environments
>(universities, Los Angeles, Florida) where the majority of the
>population has come from other parts of the country, but I have rarely
>encountered a hidden agenda in this question.

>I answer, "Ohio".  I've had far more people respond with "I'm from
>Ohio too," than "No, where are you really from?"

Good point; one makes assumptions (valid or not) depending on one's 
environment.  In my mostly white section of NYC, I will generally interpret
"Where are you from" to mean "what is your ethnicity" and react accordingly.
At school (which has a fair number of Asians and Asian-Americans, as well
as people from all over the country and the world), I usually interpret
"where are you from" as "where are you from."  And true, lots of people
respond that they're from New York too (or else they cringe.  :-) )

(Note that "Dear Abby" made the former assumption, and found it strange that
someone would respond to the question with his hometown.)
-nhy

-- 
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From: elrod@ocf.berkeley.edu (Edward L. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Karaoke
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:28:43 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul13.055657.26017@beaver.cs.washington.edu> paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko) writes:
>Do you cringe when you hear people around you, as well as TV, radio, etc.,
>say [kerri-oky] as opposed to [ka-ra-o-ke]?
>
>Just wondering.

Why yes, as a matter of fact I do cringe.  Isn't [kerri-oky] some sort
of dance from days gone by?
Or maybe I'm thinking of the [kerry-oka].


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: Perfect Families
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:25:19 GMT

In article <4572@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>With the discussions about degree envy, one thing kept coming to mind.
>Every Asian-Indian family that I meet likes to put on a front that 
 ^^^^^
be careful how you word your thoughts.  it may make you susceptible
to attacks from some people.

>their family is perfect and that everyone in it is doing exceptionally
>well. Its like they'll never admit any faults to you, which is quite
>the opposite of what most white people I've met do. This is one of 
>the reasons that I have trouble sustaining friendships with Indians.
>They never let their guard down, and you always feel like you're in
>competition with one another.
>
>Do other asian cultures have similar problems?
>

i'm not sure about other asians, but particularly with mine,
my parents and seemingly most other families downplay our
situation i.e., we put up a front that yes, our family is
ok (sort of :-) ) but there are individuals who really
suck :-)  for instance, if i were going to college (and hey,
i am), and people inquired about my attendance/performance/goals/etc,
my parents would be inclined to respond "oh, he does not know
what he's doing.  he's just milling around there to see what 
happens" when in actuality, they know that i know what i'm 
doing there.

i think they do that in part so as not to incur envy or
anger from other people.  for some reason, the people in
"my culture" have a huge jealousy factor.  of course, they
also may do it because of humility, but then again, there
are other people who are very blatant about their sons'
or daughters' academic/social accomplishments.  

geez, i've never blabbed that long about anything before.
i must be getting older....

laly thao
From: e199-ac@hydrus (Alexander Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian Babes and Western Hunks, and now this? (Re: Keeping in ...)
Keywords: more whining
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:28:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Jul22.214340.14174@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.202324.12692@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> e199-ac@fornax
>(Alexander Lee) whines:
>>...
>>If white people persistently decide to descriminate against asians
>>in corportate America, it's just going to back-fire.
>
>When are people going to stop whining?  Asking for advice is one thing,
>but whining is another.
>
>Does Mr. Lee honestly think that the world is fair or going to be
>fair any time soon?  Wake up and smell the fried twinkies.
>
>Does Mr. Lee honestly think that Chinese-cu people treat Europeans-cu
>any better?   Then again, they don't treat people in general all that great.
>Does he think that Japanese people treat non-Japanese Orientals any
>better?   Does he think that Koreans treat the Japanese any better?
>
>If Mr. Lee is asking for advice (and he's not), then it's fine.
>Otherwise, he should stop his stupid whining.  Whining is pointless.
>
>Life _isn't_ fair.  Wake up and smell the bloody sushi, okay?
>

Ok, maybe I was whining just a tad.  And I realize that the world 
isn't fair and, yeah, I agree with you that it won't get fairer
any sooner with more whining.  

But if you had read the rest of my post, I was complaining about how 
the caucasians were whining about us.  There was an article I read
a while back in the San Francisco Examiner (and many more to a similar
effect) that more than 50% of the PHd's programs in the engineering
and sciences in this country were immigrants.  It continued to speculate
that a lot of these immigrants were going back, giving the distinct 
impression that they were dicking over the american economy.  I must
have read at least ten other articles in more paranoid business 
periodicals whining about similar issues such as those Xerox engineers
I was talking about.

Maybe everybody should stop whining.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American Media Image
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:55:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.203155.10637@mumbo.apple.com> tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse) writes:
>>Madison Avenue fails when the people are reminded of how badly Bush has 
>>served as President.
>>PR simply cannot compete with experience.

>So, now, let me take this analogy back out of the political arena.  Are you
>saying then that the portrayals of Black men as say, pimps and drug-dealers,
>or blonde women as bimbos and sluts, or Jews as greedy, or whatever else
>should be allowed to go on as unfettered as the people in charge of movies
>and TV want to make it?  Hey, no harm, no foul, if I want to portray *EVERY*
>Asian woman on TV or the movies as a cheap prostitute with a thick accent,
>right?  After all, what difference does it make?  "PR simply cannot compete
>with experience," no?  Hell, then let's test this theory to the max!!  I want
>*EVERY* Asian guy in the movies to be dressed like a woman and *EVERY* Black
>guy on screen to be a drug dealer and *EVERY* Italian-American to be a mafioso.
>The WASPs can be the main characters who have to deal with the "ethnic fringe."
>It shouldn't cause ANY of those people ANY problems in being perceived by
>others, right?  "PR simply cannot compete with experience."

>Is that what you believe?

Another major flaw in Gary's argument is that if a person had sufficient
prejudices, that person will be less likely to get into situations where
he would interact with the targets of his prejudice.  Eg. he would not
hire or socialize with the object of his prejudice.  This being the case,
how would he get the experience necessary to dispell his prejudices?

I had a friend in college who had a Vietnamese friend.  She told me that if
she had known this girl was Vietnamese when she first met her that she
would have never befriended her.

Simply, PR can be a major force in a person's decision not to get experience.



-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com














Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:11:27 GMT

>>In article <1992Jul28.023440.1118@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>outrageous demands.  But the Korean gov't is insisting that the Japanese
>>>gov't give the Koreans in Japan special privileges not afforded to
>>>other foreigners.

For example:
>answer: finger-printing.
>The S. Korean gov't demanded that Japan no longer finger-print the
>Koreans in Japan.  Japan acceded but continues to finger-print many
>other foreigners.
>
>The constant b*tching by Koreans in Japan concerning citizenship and
>the rights that accrue with it is bogus.  The Koreans don't want 
> [etc.]

Playing tape again, finger printing is only tip of iceberg, meaning that
the presence of Koreans and their descendents in Japan goes well beyond
any discussion of finger printing of foreigners in Japan as of 1992.  
Maybe Dwight Joe wish to wonder whether the Japanese government offered
any option to Koreans in Japan when they were stripped of Japanese citizenship
early 1950's soon after WWII? IMO, Koreans in Japan are special case
different than other non-Japanese who chose on free will to come to live 
in Japan.  Without having such a historical perspective, one falls into
don't-know-what-to-talk-about as I think is the case of Dwight Joe in this
matter.  Another example, Joe?
From: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM (Jane Woo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian <> Asian-American
Date: 28 Jul 1992 21:57:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: woobaby.ebay.sun.com

In article 29309@leland.Stanford.EDU, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
> (1) Look the assholes straight in the eye.

"Asshole" isn't my choice of word.

> (2) State, "I am an American.  I believe in those Western values that
>     are totally alien to your savage mentalities.  I am proud of what
>     I believe.  I am proud of being an American."

The above is a bit melo-dramatic!!  I think this is more to the point:
	"I am an American.  I am proud of being an American."

> (3) Then say, "Could you spare a match and a quarter?  I need the match
>     to ignite the flag of China, which helps to start the fire in
>     my fireplace on those cold winter nights when I think that I am much
>     more fortunate than those Chinese children suffering under 
>     the yoke of Chinese society.  I need the quarter to call the
>     immigration and naturalization service so that they can kick your
>     butt back to the 'mother land' that you love so much more than the USA."

He strikes again....  how profound.... how dumb..... how pathetic.
From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:29:44 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <MDAY.92Jul27101943@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>   e199-ac@hydrus (Alexander Lee) writes:
>   I understand that that's what people with
>   an obvious lack of intelligence must resort to.
>
>Whereas the really smart people just insult the people who disagree
>with them, right?  Good tactic.  

Look, Mark, e199-ac is posting from a Berkeley site.  Current and
future Cal alumni in this newsgroup include the likes of James Pak,
Judy Tseng, and me.  Notice a pattern here?  MIT may be a half-way 
decent engineering school, but they just don't teach you guys squat
about obnoxious behavior and sheer pigheadedness.  You got to go 
to the main source at Berkeley for that.  (And don't even bother to 
mention the farm.  They raise sheep at the farm. :-)

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM			``Out of a misty dream
(408) 862-5452			Our path emerges for a while, then closes
						Within a dream.'' -- E. Dowson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:19:21 GMT

In article <yuan1.712501792@husc9> yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) writes:
>ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>:-)  Well, at Harvard it definitely seems to be a pre-med/biology major
>thing.  Which by extension makes it an Asian thing (big :-) ).
HMmmm, "ITS A LIBERAL ARTS THING", "ITS A PRE-MED THING".... etc etc.
I thought it was an "ENGINERING THING".  The real answer is just it
isnt anybodies' "THING".