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From: kevinc@sequent.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:18:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr14.001805.17114
Organization: .

In article <f9nE02G70fgr01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>Nice try, but Beethoven and others had some African blood.
>During the time of Beethoven it was very commmon for African royalty
>to be in Europe.  There are numerous poets, composers, etc. with
>African blood.

  Good reasoning.  Having Afrikan royalty present in Europe during the
 16th Century makes all great Europeans part Afrikan.   
 
  There are numerous "poets, composers, etc" without too.  Can't you
 admit that a Caucasian is capable of greatness without "African blood"?

  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison)
Subject: Winnie and Nelson Mandela splitting up
Originator: mrharri@jake
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:13:43 GMT

I was saddened to hear about Nelson and Winnie Mandela seperating.  I
don't know why it happened and I don't care to know because everyone is
entitled to their privacy SUPPOSEDLY (not so for Arthur Ashe), but I
think it's unfortunate.  

How do you think this will affect the antiapartheid movement now that it
seems they're in the middle of making progress??

Marissa


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
From: dgross@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross)
Subject: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Reply-To: dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross)
Organization: Zen Fascists for Jerry Brown
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:24:04 GMT

  Excerpted from _Napa Writer Blames Blackness for Crime_
  by Ron Sonenshine
  San Francisco Chronicle (April 6, 1992)
  --
  A Napa author has filed another salvo in the burgeoning race war,
  arguing in a new book that the nation's annual $300 billion crime tab
  is essentially a black problem for which blacks alone should pay.

  The thesis of [June Stephenson's "Blacks Are Not Cost Effective"], which
  was published in October, is that blacks are bankrupting the country by
  the cost of their incarceration. Nationwide, she said, blacks are much more 
  likely than whites to be perpetrators of all violent crimes, and a young
  black is more likely to be sentenced to prison than to graduate from
  college.  According to the Criminal Justice Institute of New York, approx-
  imately 800,000 prisoners occupy the nation's prisons.  The U.S. Department
  of Justice estimates that it costs from $12,000 to $24,000 per year to
  house an inmate.

  Stephenson believes that problems having to do with being born black are
  to blame for rising inmate populations--not poor housing, bad schools or
  single-parent families, as others have suggested.

  "I'm not saying all blacks are criminals.  But blacks are, after all, more,
  likely to commit criminal acts."

  She proposed that blacks--not whites--should bear the cost of imprisonment,
  perhaps through a special tax.

  According to Stephenson, whites are a larger proportion of criminals than
  their numbers in the population would indicate in only two of 25 crime
  categories listed by the U.S. Department of Justice--fraud and tax evasion.

  "Blacks are just geared for action," she said.  "It's that jungle thing."

-- 
******************* INTERNET: dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU **********************
"Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it,
 even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice."
                                   -- Henry David Thoreau
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 18:57:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.161404.3277@intelhf.hf.intel.com>
sguillo@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stanford Guillory) writes:
>Let me get this straight. It is unconstitutional to refurbish
>our cities? It's unconstitutional to help people with drug problems?
>It's unconstitutional to retrain workers for other jobs? Unconstitutional
>to provide day care so single parents can better their lives? No
>wonder this country is in the state it's in. 

Yep.  Kinder, gentler nation, my ass.

   don
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Arthur Hu Bashing
Date: 4 Apr 92 15:44:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr4.154455.681
Followup-To: /dev/null
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <56452@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

>That's political correctness in my book.

You read?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:33:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr16.175026.15646@sequent.com> kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:
>  Unlike blues, jaz,rock-n-roll,dixieland, and bluegrass which have direct
>  pointers back to Africa geographically,  classical music DOES NOT!

I know some people who claim to like it, but is classical music even music?

Makala
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 13:53:06 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: FRAUD - RE: Black men are not cost effective

   Someone out there is trying to be an a**hole.  I have found out that the
article that the person cites to cause this stuff is actually entitled
"MEN are not cost effective".  It seems that our "friend" has substituted
Black for Men and tried to misrepresent the author's assertions.  Please
people, if you are going to try and attack us, at least come with credible
evidence, or at least don't outright misrepresent someone else's work!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: coxs2@jonah.its.rpi.edu (Sean C. Cox)
Subject: Re: Social Spending Constitutional? (was Re: Asian Immigrants)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:07:00 GMT

dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
> 6-Apr-92  Re: Social Spending Constit..  Sean C. Cox@nuge101.its. (3142)   
>> 
>>I don't see where Congress (the moneybags of the Feds) has any right to 
>>spend money on urban infrastructures, job training, drug rehab (except as
>>a punishment for a drug-related crime perhaps), etc.  The 1st point about
>>raisinf money for the "general welfare" is not a vaid argument by the
>>fact that Congress is not allowed to spend money on such a thing (or any
>>other entitlement program...).  
>> 
>>Since Congress is not granted authority for any spending (except for
>>criminal, military, and commercial purposes) I don't see how Dean
>>Calloway's (I hope it's attributed correctly) proposal could be 
>>constitutional in any way.

>Guy, no offense, but this is silly as hell.  Because it doesn't say in
>the Constitution anything about building freeways or ballparks or
>stadiums or giving loans to Chrysler and Amtrak, does that mean we're
>prohibited from doing thaat too?  

    Well, highways are generally put under interstate commerce (the Feds 
build Interstates, States build highways you'll note).  But otherwise you
are correct, most of the spending of the Federal Government does not fall
under the allowable expenses of the Congress.

>According to your logic, half the things we do in this country are 
>unconstitutional.

    If you look at the Constitution, then at the Federal Budget, then yes,
that is precisely correct.  The Congress is only allowed (under the 
Constitution) to spent money on the 17 points listed in Article I, Sec. 8,
as well as tax as noted in the same section.  Most of the current money
being spent by our current Congress does not fall in this, and thus should
be relegated to the responsibility of the individual States.

>Geez,... unconstitutional...wow.

    Yup, as unconstitutional as a monarchy is.

-- 

* Sean Cox       *=* "That means the compiler is fully justified in turning *
* coxs@rpi.edu   *=*  your terminal into a large warthog."    --Stan Brown  *
* ITS Consultant *=*        From "Identifiers NOT to use in your C Program" *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Black Agenda & Homosexual Issues
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:01:24 GMT

In article <92098.015347FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> FKR@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>I've taken a beating on this thread and some would say it's a self-inflicted
>wound. This will be my last article on this topic. I didn't want to respond
>to all the individual flames thrown my way. I don't have all the time to do
>that. I still think society's response to gays is a self-inflicted wound
>also. I guess many proved that point.

Self-inflicted by whom?  By queers, or by society?

>My original posting questioned the necessity of gay rights becoming a part of
>the agenda being adopted by our ldrs. Some have suggested that there is no-
>thing wrong w/ this alliance [gay rights issues being grafted into "minority
>"status"]. I questioned why this should be accepted when society at large has
>not accepted this same issue, although that may change in the future.

Because you can't simply lie back and wait for society to give you
your rights.  It didn't work for African-Americans, and it won't work
for queers.

>Does gay rights belong on the agenda concerning the
>struggle of AfAms in this country? Again, answer it for yourselves. I don't
>think it belongs. Nuff said.

I think if nothing else, it belongs on the agenda for the same reason
that civil rights and liberation issues for people of color belong on
the gay rights agenda.  There is a significant population of people
who exist in both groups, and whose issues are frequently being
snubbed by both communities.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kevinc@com
Subject: Re: Asshole needs clue coupon
Originator: kevinc@crg8.sequent.com
Organization:      .
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 23:29:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.225048.3484@news2.cis.umn.edu> mmoore@donald.cs.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.220753.21014@sequent.com> kevinc@com writes:
>$   I've been reading and posting to s.c.a.a since it started.
>
>You say this as if that fact makes you special.

  No, that is my response to Wright's claim that I've invaded your ranks.  My 
claim is that is is hard to invade the ranks when I've always been here.
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexual Issues
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:51:17 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

<FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad writes:

>time to do that. I still think society's response to gays is a self-inflicted
>wound also. I guess many proved that point.

Can I offer you a point of advice, FKR? Shut up about homosexuals.
You sound like a fucking idiot when they enter your conversation,
and you sound like such a decent guy the rest of the time.


>minority "status"].  I questioned why this should be accepted when society
>at large has not accepted this same issue, although that may change in the
>future.  What I found to be strange was the number of folx who wrote me off

Here is my acting debut: (I play a klansman in 1950)

Stan the Klansman: Why should niggers should be accepted as human beings
                   when society at large has not accepted this, although 
                   they might in the future? (Stage direction to FKR: that
                   "might" is the whole point, silly.)



>rights of others.  Will gay rights infringe on the rights of others?  Y'all
>answer this for yourselves.  Does gay rights belong on the agenda

No! Why don't you show some guts and answer it yourself. The  answer
is pretty simple, after all.

>Fred Rozenblad-Phryzzinian Man                  -McCoy Tyner
>FKR@psuvm.psu.edu                              "Tender Moments"


Stanford S. Guillory
sguillor@pcocd2.intel.com
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Dr. Jeffries released???
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:36:12 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
12-Apr-92  Dr. Jeffries released???       JOHN A. SAMMERSON@eos.nc (466)    
> 
>   I heard that Dr. Jeffries was released from City College. Is this
>info true and wasn't he a tenured professor?
> 
> 

The way I heard it (on TV) he was suspended from his post as dean of the
Afram department and replaced by the former dean of the corresponding
department at Yale.  Responses were mixed on both sides.

DCAL
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4530 talk.politics.misc:17948
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:33:18 GMT
  <1992Apr8.162200.10488@sequent.com>
	<57105@cup.portal.com>
	<8du99Ra00iUx826XQR@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
12-Apr-92  Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Eff..  Dean Calloway@andrew.cmu (1720)   
>>not commit more crimes. (OK, OK, it's a social and income thing, not a
>>race thing, but crimes is still correlated with some races even if race
>>is not the cause)
> 
>But if you graphed this, for blacks and whites separately, using crime
>rates as the y axis and income as the x axis, there would be no
>correlation; in fact, you would find mirror images for the graphs, crime
>(at least those we think of as traditionally criminal...assault, drugs,
>burglary, etc.) decreasing as income decreases.  This is not a
>correaltion between race and crime.  It is a correaltion between crime
>and socioeconomic status.

Damn, my mistake... there IS a correlation but it is inverse... that is,
as income increases, crime rate decreases (for the type of crime
mentioned.)  

I hate shoddy work.  Forgive me.

DCAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: >>Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:39:59 -0500



A newsgroup for us black folk.  Obviously, I am new to this newsgroup.

[stuff deleted]

>>Personally, it was one of the saddest things I have ever heard.  This lady
>>has no self esteem.

>and no idea how sweet Blakness really is #:)

>>Her parents did not try hard enough to explain what
>>all the racist comments Kim heard as a child meant.  She took them too
>>personally. 

Racist?  I bet most of the comments came from ourselves.  Her being dark
skinned and all.

>I don't know what her parents did, but its a thing that KIM must face, and
>she didn't appear to be comfortable with it, when it was discussed nationwide.
>I think she needs a historical and spritual session with herself.  
>There is nothing wrong with being Blak.  Hell, everyone else is doing what
>they can to become BLAKKER.

>>Having never heard this before, I have to wonder how widespread is this? 
>>Besides Michael Jackson and Kim, are there a lot of African American kids
>>who want to actually change their appearannce to look like a different
>>color?  

I would think that it is very widespread.  The reason for Kim's sadness is
a problem that has silently plagued us.  The problem is that we are an "ugly"
race.  It has been instilled in our minds from day 1.  When I watch TV, many
commercials will show at least one black, and that black usually is very
light-skinned and has naturally straight hair.  Is this how beauty in our
race is perceived?

Of course, we are not an ugly race.  The problem is that white features are
usually preferred over our black features even among ourselves.  When a black 
person is looking for a mate, one usually prefers curly over nappy hair, small
noses over big noses, etc...  
Especially pro athletes with money.  Why is it that ALL of their wives are
of a lighter complexion that they are?  It's not coincidence.

This is probably Kim's problem; she feels that her black features make her
"unattractive".  

>I think that since the Afrocentric movement has rejuvenated within the masses
>of Blak people, the skin color thing is taking a back seat.  If anything,
>I think a lot of ligher-skinned Blaks are catching heat for not being
>dark enough. ##;)

I haven't heard of the Afrocentric movement, but it's time for one now.
Just my $0.02 worth.
-- 
Brian T Odom
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: not trying to scare y'all but...
Date: 3 Apr 92 23:02:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr3.230211.21117
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <4727@umriscc.isc.umr.edu> francois@usenet.umr.edu (Why ya askin?) writes:

>and i figure that as soon as queer nation can come up with a aesthetically(sp?)
>pleasing name (queer nation just doesn't sound very threatening
>politically) like National alliance for gay and lesbian rights or
>something, even glaad (don't know what it stands for but i did see it
>on a banner on tv) sounds too stereotypically wack.

Like, say, maybe, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force?  What a thought!

That sentence is incomplete, by the way.  As soon as QN can come up
with an "aesthetically pleasing name" (which I think is precisely
opposed to QN's agenda) then ... what?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Help stop the KKK -- Cincinnati demonstration
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:19:15 GMT

A message calling for a demonstration against the KKK in Cincinnati on
May 2 was recently posted to several newsgroups, but not this one.

I don't know what the accepted rule on posting such inflammatory
material to scaa is; I know that it is generally considered
unacceptable on soc.motss.  So, I will not post it, but mention that
it was posted to:

  alt.activism
  alt.activism.d
  soc.culture.jewish
  soc.motss
  soc.rights.human
  alt.discrimination
  alt.society.civil-liberties

You can find a copy of it in these newsgroups under the subject "Help
stop the KKK", or e-mail me for a copy.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL FULL OF APATHETIC NIGGERS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:22:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.225408.12309@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Blair.V.Burns@dartmouth.edu (Blair V. Burns) writes:
>
>These bourgeois niggers ..... [ stuff deleted ]

What is a "bourgeois nigger", and why is it necessary to call folx
"niggers" bourgeois or otherwise, in order to get your point across?
Can a black person in America be upwardly mobile without also becoming
the target of "bashing" by other blacks. (Didn't the COINTELPRO use
"divide and conquer" tactics.?) Is it not a worthy goal for any person,
regardless of race(there's that word again), creed or color, to improve
his/her own lot in life, by any means legal and honorable, and ethical?
(ie., no back stabbin')

>With their FBI's COINTELPRO black organizations and others were murdered
>pitted against each other and made to hate black or black liberation......

Wasn't one of the COINTELPRO tactics to subvert an organization from
within, after having their operatives present themselves to the
organization(to be subverted) as the "most militant militant" or the
"most radical radical"?
Hmmmmmm......

Enough for now............

Keith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Attracting visitors to Black neighborhoods (was: Re: SB Fuller Speech...)
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:47:21 GMT


>When I lived in Los Angeles, I remember the same scene
>at the Watts Towers.  Lots of tourists come to see them,
>but there's nothing to spend money on once you're there.
>Maybe that's changed now with the new light-rail line
>(anyone from LA reading this who can answer?)


I believe this is still true; I recently drove by, and on one
side of the towers there is a notorious narcotics market (Wilmington
and Imperial) and on the other there is 103rd + Central (the heart
of the 1965 insurrection) which has been somewhat rebuilt but
does not contain much for out-of-hood-ers.

I live near the Leimert neighborhood which actually *is* beginning
to acquire some of the attributes I think you have in mind: in close
proximity there are excellent Afrocentric shops, southern- and Carribean-
style restaurants, performance spaces, a newly-refurbished shopping
center  (including a just-opened bright, well-stocked, and well-managed
supermarket, until now almost non-existent in South-Central).

This is by the way essentially the same part of town where Maulana Karenga's
African-American cultural center is located.
 
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: csv25@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Chopra M)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Does anyone know Felix Klimpacher?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:05:56 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:05:14 WET DST


I'm looking for a friend of mine from Liberia, now living in the States.
If anyone knows Felix Klimpacher, please contact me through email.
(I think he's somewhere in Maryland)...

Thanks in advance.
From: arocho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Vance A. Arocho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Black-Owned Businesses
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:31:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

DJ (Dowdy Jackson):
I think that we can not count on whites being customers for black
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
businesses. 
^^^^^^^^^^

***** That seems rather cynical to me; I think most Whites will be customers to
any business that provides them with what they want/need, independent of skin
color. I think most people, Black/White/otherwise, really don't care about the
skin color of the owner. I certainly don't. If you have a product/service that
people want/need and your prices are fair, most people would be glad to give
you their business. If you mean to say that Black-owned businesses in pre-
dominantly Black neighborhoods can't count on Whites being customers, I'd have
to agree with you there but advertising and word-of-mouth could change that.
*****

DJ:
If whites choose to use the servives provided by the 
black business then great but we should count on blacks using
		          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
black businesses. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

***** But what if a Black businessperson is living in a predominantly White
neighborhood and there are no Black neighborhoods nearby?
*****



-- 
"A young man who is a conservative has no heart; an old man who is a liberal 
has no brain." (Winston Churchill)
"Sin trabajo, no hay nada." ("Without work, there is nothing.")
Vance Arocho: arocho@acsu.edu (SUN)/V068PZYD@ubvms  (VAX)