HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: NeXT Trinitron Monitor
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:08:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.171522.23039@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
Loewenstern) writes:
> In article <BxyGvB.Lnv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B.  
Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> >really nice double headed ND displays).  While the topic is the Trinitron  
> >displays, has anyone noticed the tell-tale Trinitron horizontal dark scan  
line
> >about 3/4 the way down the screen?  If so, does it bug you or do you just  
sorta  
> >'see around it'?
> 
> The 21" monitor is a Trinitron as well, I believe.  The Sony's have a
> wire that holds up the shodow mask and causes the dark line.  You'll
> get used to it.
> 
> 
> andrew
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> Andrew Loewenstern      |  2 a.m. than most people do all day."
> Cube Technologies, Inc. |                          - Simson Garfinkel

Our trinitrons (on Mac's and NeXT) have two wires-- one is 1/3 the way up from  
the bottom of the screen, and the other is 1/3 the way down from the top.

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NeXTmail preferred, but ONLY at my REAL email address: nevin@dtint.dtint.com

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From: frog@charles.ucdavis.edu (Wayne Jackson 753-5636)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Driver software for HP DeskJet?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:41:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Music, UCDavis
Originator: frog@charles.ucdavis.edu

Hello Everyone,

	A long time ago I remember hearing that someone created software
to print to non-Postscript ink-jet printers... does anyone remember where
I could find such software for the HP DeskJet in particular?

	Please mail to me directly as I can't keep up with this newsgroup.
If there is sufficient interest expressed by email, I will repost whatever
I find out.

Many Thanx - Wayne (frog) Jackson
From: ufessex@mcl.ucsb.edu (Fabian E. Schonholz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Wolfgan Reaserch address??
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:34:43 GMT

I need the e-mail address of Wolfgan Reaserch. 
Thanks in advance!!

Fabian.-
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ufessex@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu.us
fessex@cs.ucsb.edu.us
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Swapfile won't grow
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:45:34 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: thanatos.egr.uh.edu

In article <1eenkpINN3kp@news.gac.edu>  writes:
#
#Hello,
#
#I own a mono station with an internal 105 meg disk.  I have dedicated the  
105  
#as a swapdisk according to the instructions in NeXT Answers.  It  
functions  
#properly to a point but will not allow the swapfile to grow above 30 meg.   
That  
#is my machine generates a number of these errors in /usr/adm/mesgs when  
the  
#swapfile is only 30 megs:  
#
#Nov 14 01:12:12 localhost mach: vnode_pager:  
/private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile is  
#full.
#Nov 14 01:18:15 localhost mach: vnode_pager:  
/private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile is  
#available again.
#
#I think that the operating system has even killed processes (preferences  
often  
#dies at approximately the same time) to free up space when this limit is  
#reached.  Everything in the swaptab is commented out so no highwater mark  
is  
#set and I assume the swapfile should be able to use the entire disk.   
Anyone  
#have any ideas what is wrong?  Any help would be appreciated.  I'm using  
3.0,  
#if it's important.
#
#Michael Ibrahim
#wasfy@nic.gac.edu

It seems that you have the hiwater mark set to 30M in the /etc/swaptab  
file.  Remove the entry for hiwat=xxxxxx and then reboot.  You should then  
be able to use all the disk for swapping.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware
From: gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Henkel-Wallace)
Subject: Specialized hardware ain't what it's cracked up to be (was: New RISC chip  / IMS 3250)
Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto, California
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:17:02

   Date: 17 Nov 92 20:59:59 GMT
   From: bruce@pages.com (Bruce Henderson)

	   What if an objective-C message pass (a somewhat computationally 
	   expensive thing) was a processor level thing, and say happened in 
	   3 clocks?

Unfortunately this doesn't turn out to be as big a win as you think.
Basically, smarter cacheing and optimization of certain lookup cases
can get you more than hashing hardware.  For instance, the
memoization-dispatch scheme in PCL turned out to be faster than a
dispatch using lookup hardware (on the lisp machine).  Ultimately this
boils down to the RISC vs CISC debate again.

There are other reasons for using a writable control store, and you
touch on them in your message.  But many of the interesting
optimizations one can imagine turn out not to be the big win one
imagines at first.  Too bad, eh?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers)
Subject: Re: Interest in Full Motion video, without hardware.
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:27:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.010622.2703@dtint.uucp> nevin@dtint.dtint.com writes:
>In comp.sys.next.misc article <17627@mindlink.bc.ca> you wrote:
>> How much interested would there be in software only 30 frames per second
>> video playback software for the NeXT?  Anybody with comments please send them
>> to me at Peter_Roosen@mindlink.bc.ca.  Thanx.
>
>Full size 640 X 480 frames, at 30 frames a second?  Can it be done?  My  
>understanding is that you can achieve roughly 1/16 of that-- in terms of bytes  
>transfered per second of time.
>
>Anything smaller than 640 X 480 (which is only barely acceptable for some  
>minor-league publishing purposes), and I lose interest.

	What does publishing have to do with video?  VHS has about 260 X 480
resolution.  If you could do 320x200 at > 15 frames/sec I would be VERY
interested.
							--Rob.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware
From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid)
Subject: How do I connect HP LaserJet II or DeskJet to Station?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:03:28 GMT
Followup-To: poster


I would like to connect either of the two printers to the mono
station I have.  Where can I get a cable?  Do I need a postscript
cartridge in both?  I don't see any driver for the DeskJet in 3.0,
but my friend assures me it can be done, he just doesn't know how.


Please email comments, suggestions and pointers to vrr@cbnewsj.att.com


Thanks very much,
Veenu
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Why, Why, WHYYYY?? USE OBJECTIVE-C for IB??
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:09:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.000924.8898
Organization: University of Washington

thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes:

>Richard D Warner writes:
>>     I'm a developer who just wants to get a product out the door, and
>> I'm frustrated about having to learn a new language just to interface with
>> IB.  I know you're supposed to be able to insert ANSI or C++ code into IB
>> but I haven't been able to yet.  You still need to know what's going on
>> with the implementation files (in Objective-C).  It's supposed to
>> be "easier", but easier than what???  Why doesn't NeXT come up with a 
>> version of IB written for C++?  

>If you have already written lots of C++ that compiles stand-alone (can compile 
>on normally configured NeXT development system or with public domain libraries)  
>then I strongly suggest that you write a thin layer of Objective-C that fits  
>just on top of your C++ codes. The layer becomes the stuff to work with in  
>Interface Builder. Oh, and it takes a competent C programmer less than eight  
>hours to catch onto Objective-C ... in our experience which I have heard widely  
>shared.

I found Objective C to be an intuitive extension of C and agree with the 
eight hour figure cited above.  Further, if all you want to do is use
IB's skeleton code, you could probably learn what you need in a few hours.

David Basiji
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Mail.app bug--beware
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 18:46:44 GMT

Avery Wang writes
> Mail.app has a bug which is easily reproducible and VERY
> annoying. When I have several compose windows open and use
> another application, such as NewsGrazer or whatever to set up
> another compose window, (such as what happens when I press
> 'reply' in NewsGrazer).... it takes the first compose window in
> the list of compose windows, and replaces all the text with that
> of the incoming message from Newsgrazer!!! This is really
> annoying because I lost 2 long, important, and complicated email
> messages that way before I finally realized what was happening.
> 

This is a long-known bug; there was considerable discussion of it  
when NG first came out.  But of course any new users wouldn't be  
aware of it.  Perhaps a prominent warning could be added to NG's  
README file in the archives?  (Not that anyone actually reads  
them...)

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ijeff@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Jefferson)
Subject: Re: su File Viewer
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:59:26 GMT

In <1992Nov17.194525.29413@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:

>Allen B (ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
< stuff deleted >
>: on my machine at one time or another, this comes up a lot. :-)
>: 

>While at times useful, it's not necessary.  Open a Stuart window,
>su to root then type
>/NextAdmin/Installer.app/Installer &
>Installer comes up, as root, and you carry on.  It is a nuisance.

>This is why I prefer programs that are tar.Z's or zips to those that
>are packages.  I can start one or more gnutars or unzips and stuff in
>background.  Installer has a raft of mouse clicks and dreck.

Of course its a bit difficult to uninstall zips and tars whereas you can
simply press the delete button on installer! I'm still trying to
uninstall bits of Who's calling from wherever it resides on disk(s).

>   
>--
>=> Sherwood Botsford                   sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= 
>=> University of Alberta         Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <=         
>=> tel:403 492-3713                             fax: 403 492-4256 <=         
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From: milionis@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Taki Milionis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Will UpgradePrep work from v1.0?
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:25:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: shannon.milionis.721923926
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand

At the risk of getting extremely tiresome (if anyone has noticed..)

This is my third attempt at getting some help on upgrading from v1.0 to
v3.0. Everytime I post, something happens to our news server and I never
get to see the hordes of replies. Please e-mail me.

So far, with the help of some kind netters, I finally have the contents
of the floppy with the CD-ROM Tools. When the nearest 2.88 stiffy is 
thousands of km away, this was no mean feat. 

The UpgradePrep.app will not run under my 1.0 system. The message I get is
UpgradePrep failed (Bad executable (or shared library))

What do I do now? Basically, I have an old '030 cube (that will not boot off
the CD-ROM which it does not recognise as a device) with an OD and 1.0.
THAT IS IT! I have the CD-ROM with what I think is the correct cable and
I have a CDC SCSI drive on which I want to build a system.

If I sound desperate... I AM... I also feel very lonely out here in the styx.
Thanks in advance for any help.


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Network Manager          ___  H ____  |.|  (..011) 716-5423
Wits Elec Eng        O __|.|_ H |. | _|.| "I still put my panties on 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: adam@bastille.rmnug.org (Adam Fedor)
Subject: problems printing in Create in 3.0
Reply-To: adam@bastille.rmnug.org
Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:36:55 GMT

Does anyone have any problems printing from Create in NeXTStep 3.0?   
Specifically, whenever I print a file containing a Super Text object that  
is filled with some sort of Fill->Line Fill (e.g. page 4-24 of the  
manual), the program crashes.  I get no errors in the console.

I'm running Create V1 v11 (March 3 1992) with NeXTStep 3.0  (this didn't  
happen in 2.2). Since I don't have a printer hooked up, I actually use the  
Save and/or Preview options.
-- 
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adam@bastille.rmnug.org (Home, NextMail)  |  quick .sig hack...
fedor@boulder.colorado.edu (Work)         |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Uwe Hoffmann
Subject: Packager
Keywords: NeXT EDU Sampler CD, Packager
Reply-To: hoffmann@fzi.de
Organization: FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik, Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:54:33 GMT



--
Can somebody please email me the Packager.app from the 
NeXT Edu Sampler CD. We haven't received our CD yet, and I need the  
Packager badly.

Thanks

===============================================
Uwe Hoffmann                                       
FZI
Karlsruhe Germany 
email: hoffmann@fzi.de
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Ethernet id
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:18:27 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Nov18.142120.25191@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes:
>Anyway, here's another possibility.  In NetManager, there is a field for
>storing the ethernet address.  Once it has been entered there, it will show
>up in the NetInfo tables. Of course, this all depends on getting the
>address in the first place, but having it in NetInfo isn't a bad idea for
>general network management.

It's also a necessity if you wish to do netbooting (and I'm pretty sure for
automatic IP address configuration too, but my memory on that is a little
muddy).

To get to it, all it takes is an niutil -read <domain> /machines/<machine>
and you're all set.

>Mark T. Dornfeld
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------
Have you noticed that all you need to grow healthy, vigorous grass is a
crack in your sidewalk?




Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: Ejecting Mac Disks
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:29:54 GMT

In article <BxoDpI.69A@ra.nrl.navy.mil> kamis@bogey.itd.nrl.navy.mil (George  
Kamis) writes:
    *  Finally, with Next Step 3.0, I can read and write to
    *  Macintosh formatted floppy disks.  However, I cannot eject
    *  the disk from the Workspace unless I logout.  The
    *  Workspace/Disk/Eject command does not work since it remains
    *  inactive when a Mac disk is inserted.  Dumping the disk
    *  into the Recycler doesn't work either.  Has anyone else
    *  experienced the same problem or is there some trick to
    *  ejecting Mac floppies?

I have not seen the inactive Disk/Eject situation.  What I have
seen is this:

    o   you have a Mac disk mounted, and you change
        directory to that disk from (say) a terminal window.

    o   you drag the disk to the recycler.  Nothing apparently
        happens, but if you're alert (NPI) you'll see an alert
        flash up for half a second and go away.

    o   the alert you almost didn't see from the previous case
        will come up if you eject the disk from the Disk/Eject
        menu.  It says you can't eject the disk because some
        application is using it.

I can't seem to replicate your situation where the Disk/Eject
menu is inactive.

        ........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: UNIX Mail with PubKey Encryption
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:52:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.021449.11775@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes:
>> I just use ForYourEyesOnly that came as a 2.0 Demo app...  
>..
>> it's legal to use in the US (whereas PGP
>> (Pretty Good Privacy) is very ILLEGAL in the US).
>..
>> send me some encrypted mail and piss the NSA off...  :-)  I think I'll
>> put it in my .sig... hehe
>
>If PGP is illegal, it must be too good for the NSA.
>FYEO is not illegal 
>	=> The NSA must know how to break it
>	=> Sending you FYEO mail wouldn't piss off the NSA.
>
>..Just some idle speculation.

OK, I just talked to an attorney.  It's not criminally illegal.  No
encryption is criminally illegal to use in the US.  Exporting it is a
different matter.  Using PGP violaties the patent owned by Public Key
Partners for the algorithm used by PGP.  While criminal charges will
not be held against you for using PGP, RSA can file a civil suit
against you for damages.


andrew
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:22159 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:6615
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Appleshare and 3.0 - where is the how to?
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:05:03 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

I'm not sure where anymore but the information is definately on the
CD-ROM.  Try  /NeXT_CD_ROM/CD/Documentation or something like that.
Its hard for me to confirm being on this HP thing and all.  Maybe
someone else can help out more.  It is defenitely there under 
Documentation somewhere.

maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: su File Viewer
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:05:03 GMT

In article <BxLvqp.B5o@newcastle.ac.uk> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Since I, like no doubt many others, don't like logging in as root more  
> often than necessary...
> 
> Is there any way of launching a FileViewer with setuid root privs?
> 
> If it doesn't exist, maybe it should.

It certainly should.  I might be the numero uno complainer
in this field.  Everytime I get a program that tells me to
log in as root to install it, it drives me crazy.  Since I
actually have installed >every< program in the Archives
on my machine at one time or another, this comes up a lot. :-)

I'd like an "su" choice on the Workspace menu that
prompts for the root password.  Once you're su'd, it
should act like you're root for any new programs you start
as well as in the File Viewer.  If you hit su again, it should
confirm and then drop you back to yourself (and probably
Quit all the programs you started graphically).

I realize there are details that would take some thought
and decisions to work out, but I'd really appreciate this
feature!

ab
From: gtf1000@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.T. Falk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Swapfile won't grow
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:57:04 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1eenkpINN3kp@news.gac.edu> wasfy@perdita.gac.edu (Michael Wasfy
Nicolas Ibrahim) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>I own a mono station with an internal 105 meg disk.  I have dedicated the 105
>as a swapdisk according to the instructions in NeXT Answers.  It functions
>properly to a point but will not allow the swapfile to grow above 30 meg.

Gosh, I wish I had YOUR problem! :-)

(Explanatory note: I use Mathematica on a 105MB slab)

g.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: Interest in Full Motion video, without hardware.
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:06:22 GMT

In comp.sys.next.misc article <17627@mindlink.bc.ca> you wrote:
> How much interested would there be in software only 30 frames per second
> video playback software for the NeXT?  Anybody with comments please send them
> to me at Peter_Roosen@mindlink.bc.ca.  Thanx.

Full size 640 X 480 frames, at 30 frames a second?  Can it be done?  My  
understanding is that you can achieve roughly 1/16 of that-- in terms of bytes  
transfered per second of time.

Anything smaller than 640 X 480 (which is only barely acceptable for some  
minor-league publishing purposes), and I lose interest.

Anything slower than 8 frames a second, and I lose interest.

--
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NeXTmail preferred, but ONLY at my REAL email address: nevin@dtint.dtint.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: InFocus NeXT Overhead Projector
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:25:21 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1992Nov19.143913.25330@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten)  
writes:
> Has anyone heard anything about a company called InFocus.
> They supposedly make a projector that connects to the NeXT Station  
> (somehow) and allows projecting the screen via an overhead projector.
> 
> I need the phone number of a vendor and some technical information.  We  
> urgently need something like this for a classroom.
> 
> - - - - - - - - -
> J. W. Wooten

We recently rented one of these for a class.  It works good, but can be kind of  
dim.  Be sure you have a very bright overhead projector.  Also, it doesn't have  
the same resolution as the NeXT screen, but can scrolled around to see any part  
of the screen (the LCD has 1024X768 resolution).  Apparently, cables are not  
currently available to hook it up to a mono station, but we used it on a Color  
station, and it worked fine.

InFocus is at 1-800-327-7231
the model we rented was the 7600WS


--
  John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
              Life without risk is Disneyland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: marcel@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher)
Subject: Re: WindowServer connections
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:29:37 GMT

wiml@milton.u.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.010325.4556@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> you write:
>>Its been asked many times how one opens a connection to the WindowServer
>>when no one is logged in ( by myself at least three times ).  Everytime
>>I get no useful answer, just a lot of questions of the form "Why would you
>>want to do that?"

[...lot's of bootstrap port nastiness deleted...]

Under 3.0, all children of lpd have WindowServer access.  In case your
program is not a "natural" child of lpd, you can have it started at
boot time by  /usr/lib/NextPrinter/lpd.children.  

Marcel


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