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From: pa1%tdat@UUNET.UU.NET (Pat Alvarado)
Subject: Re: what is this and why can't I see it?
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:57:15 GMT

 > In article <1992Apr3.231249.2627@informix.com> robertw@informix.com
 > (Robert Weinberg) writes:
 >
 >    From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
 >    Subject: Re: what is this and why can't I see it?
 >    Date: 3 Apr 92 23:12:49 GMT
 >    Sender: news@informix.com (Usenet News)
 >    Distribution: comp
 >
 >    In article <1992Apr3.193756.13555@tfs.com> julian@tfs.com (Julian
 Elischer)
 >    writes:
 >    > I have a document written by a consultant that was written on a
 >    MAC > using Framemaker. "OK" I thought, "No problem", I'll just
 >    read it with > Frame on the Unix machine.  > > The text comes out
 >    fine, but the pictures are all just grey rectangles.  > We are
 >    running frame 3.0X.  > When I print the document (hoping that
 it's
 >    just wrong on the screen) > the images are just empty space.  >
 >
 >    We have a similar problem. We do a screen-grab on a NeXT and
 import
 >    We havthat as a
 >    tiff into Frame. Fine, it shows up in NeXT Frame and we can print
 >    it.
 >
 >    Open the same file on a Sun, and a gray box replaces the tiff,
 and
 >    when I print it out, I get empty space where the gray box was.
 The
 >    text and Frame-drawn graphics print fine from the Sun.
 >
 >
 > I believe this is because the MAC framemaker understands tiff and
 the
 > Sun framemaker doesn't.  Try copying the file into the document
 > (perhaps frame on the mac will convert it into internal frame
 format.
 >
 > Or you can try the tiff converter in the sun frame bin directory
 > framemaker_3.0x/bin/tifftorf to convert it.
 >
 > We saw that here with the output of Micrographics designer which was
 > an EPS file with a tiff file concatenated on the end.
 >
 > Web
 >
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Mac FrameMaker does understand TIFF and Sun FrameMaker doesn't, however
you can have Mac FrameMaker save TIFF images as "FrameImages" on the
Mac and the images will appear and print normally on the Sun version.
To do this, select the Preferences... menu item under the File menu,
then check the box labelled "Save FrameImage with Imported Graphics".
This will allow all imported graphics from any format to be exportable
to FrameMaker on other platforms.

Thanks,

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From: leifh@isy.liu.se (Leif Hedstr|m)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Is there a pict2mif filter somewhere?
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:35:50 GMT
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping

artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell) writes:
...
[old stuff deleted]

>Warning-- I am not a Mac person. However, one recently landed on my desk.
>I put FrameMaker on it. MacMaker features direct import of PICT images.
>Why not do the import work on the Mac, then open the file on the workstation?

>Also, Image Alchemy, a great shareware-based image conversion and tweaking
>utility that runs on PCs, Suns, and a few other boxes supports PICT-to-
>Sun Raster, among its other 30-odd formats. We use it almost every day
>to import Windows screen shots to workstation-created doc, but I haven't
>tested the PICT conversions.

Using Mac-Frame is good if you only have text files. If a MSWord document
includes PICTures, it works great when used on Mac-Frame. When importing
the MIF file on SUN-FrameMaker, all PICTures are deleted. It complains
about not understanding the picture format (or something like that). It
could be me doing something wrong, but according to the FrameX3 manual,
only Mac-frame can handle PICTures.

Using a PICT2[some_kind_of_bitmap_format] could be ok, IFF it supports
300DPI bitmaps. But it would be even better if we could edit our PICTs
in FrameMaker, without having to purchase a expensive FilterPackage...

-- Leif
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: lange@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Linda Lange)
Subject: file conversions to/from Framemaker
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:03:57 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

I am searching for existing documentation targeted for the novice user
on how to perform file conversions to and from FrameMaker 3.1 on 
Unix and FrameMaker 3.0 beta version on the pc.  I am working on an
X terminal HP 835 work station for Unix FrameMaker. I am interested
in routines for the following conversions and how the document will 
look afterwards (formatting retained or lost):

Microsoft Word 2.0 for Windows:

1. pc Word to Unix FrameMaker

2. Unix FrameMaker to pc Word

3. pc Word to pc FrameMaker

FrameMaker 3.1 (Unix) and FrameMaker 3.0 (pc)

4. Unix FrameMaker to pc FrameMaker

5. pc FrameMaker to Unix FrameMaker

LaTeX to FrameMaker

6. LaTex to Unix FrameMaker

7. LaTex to pc FrameMaker
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: g9129499@cc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: How can one align verticle equations by "="
Keywords: Align, equations
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:18:25 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

chili@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew S Carney) writes:

>Dear Netters,
>	I am using Frame 3.0 on a Mac II ci. My question is: Is there any way to
>automatically align equations on the "=" ? When I choose "Verticle List" from
>the
>equation pallette the new equation is centered in the middle of the current
>frame.
>I need all "verticle" equations to be aligned by the "=", not centered. My
>current
>work around is to create the equations separately and move them into one frame
>and
>manually adjust their alignment. Any tips would be helpful. Thanks in advance,

Lack of proper equation alignment features is one of the more glaring 
omissions from FrameMath (someone at frame, take note). Manually aligning
the equations is a real pain.

My usual work-around is to format an n-line equation in an n*3 array, with a
symbol font "=" in the centre elements.

e.g In the array

    ?  ?  ?
    ?  ?  ?

type your equations (remember the "?"s don't print):

    x  =   y(z-2)
    ?  =   yz - 2y
    
The hassle is that the whole array ends up on the same text paragraph, so
the lines cannot be individually numbered.

Jeremy
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From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
Subject: Help with running h/f variables
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:48:49 GMT
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_


Help me out, please, with my running headers.  Details about the
situation follow:

		________________________________________________
EXAMPLE		The following is a sample of the text that I'm 
		working with.

		________________________________________________
		Sec.#    |Title	        	   |Format Name
		________________________________________________
Page 1		1        |Rate Monotonic Analysis  |<1-hdr-first>
		1.1  	 |Sample Problems 	   |<2-hdr>
		1.2  	 |Periodic Events	   |  ""
			 |			   |	
Page 2		2    	 |Intuition for Theory 	   |<1-hdr>
	   		 |<<no second levels>>     |




		________________________________________________
DESIRED FORMAT
Page 1		The desired format of the header area for Page 1:

			RATE MONOTONIC ANALYSIS 
			Sample Problems
			Periodic Events

Page 2		The desired format of the header area for Page 2:

			INTUITION FOR THEORY




		________________________________________________
RESULTING 
FORMAT
Page 1		The resulting format of the header area for Page 1:

			RATE MONOTONIC ANALYSIS
			Sample Problems

		(NOTE: Only the first of the <2-hdr> formats appears 
	   	       on the page; FM omits the remaining ones.)

Page 2		The resulting format of the header area for Page 2:

			INTUITION FOR THEORY
			Periodic Events

		(NOTE:  Although Page 2 does not contain a 
		        "2-hdr" format, it lists one, the
			inherited one from the previous page.)
			


		________________________________________________
CONFIGURATION   
Running  	The definitions of the running header variables:
headers				
			Running H/F 1	<$paratext[1-hdr-first]>
			Running H/F 2	<$paratext[1-hdr]>
			Running H/F 3	<$paratetxt[2-hdr]>


Header		The structure of the header block on the master page:
block		
			Running H/F1 Running H/F 2
			Running H/F3



		________________________________________________
QUESTIONS	1.  Can FrameMaker list *all* of the instances
		[of a particular format] that appear on that
		particular page (rather than just the first
		occurrence)?

		2.  Can FrameMaker be suppressed such that it doesn't 
		inherit the value of the previous format when it 
		(the previous format) appears on a page other than 
		the current one?
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: cjones@wookie.dbaccess.COM (Carl Jones)
Subject: open dialogue box
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:07:01 GMT

I an using Frame on an AIX system on RS/6000s from an Xstation.
When I click the OPEN box, I get an open dialogue window.
I would like to be able to:
	make the font larger
	make the box larger
	assign the position of the box
in that priority order.
I could not find any reference to options for that box in the
Frame manual (I did discover that some things could be modified
in the .Xdefaults file.
Can you help?  The box and font are really too small.
thanks,
carl jones
From: khiem@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Khiem Ho)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: System Menu in Catalog Windows
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:18:47 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA


Hi, 
I am a new comer to FrameMaker, and have problem with some
windows. All my secondary windows (eg Catalog windows, Tools window,
etc), for some reasons, just does not have the system menu for
me to close it or or minimize it. I use .mwmrc. Is there some resources
that I need to define in .Xdefaults?

Thanks.
Khiem Ho
khiem@cup.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: dboldt@DSDBQVARSA.ER.USGS.GOV (David Boldt (x5679))
Subject: Double columns
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:09:14 GMT

Frame person,

I am the main contact for FrameMaker support within the US Geological Survey,
Water Resources Division.  Several times a certain question has come up, and
the best I have been able to do is come up with rather unsatisfactory
work-arounds.  I would like to know if there is a better solution than
what I have been able to offer.

The problem arises when starting with a double column format.  There are
times when a heading or table must span the full width of the page.  The
textRects on a page can be customized, but then if any text is added or
deleted, then the formatting must be redone.

I have offered two suggestions to users that have brought me this question:

 1)  create a set of master pages in which the full width text is in, for
     example, the upper, middle, and lower sections of the page.  This makes
     reformatting a body page relatively easy.  

 2)  use a single column which is the full width of the text area, and 
     within that create anchored frames with double columns of text inside.
     This provides the ability to fine-tune the size of wide-text areas,
     but is not flexible when text is added or deleted to a double column
     section, as the TextRects and anchored frames must be resized manually.

Is there any option that I have missed?  I would very much like to hear any
comments or ideas on this problem.

                                            --David Boldt
                                              Computer Specialist, USGS,WRD
                                              dboldt@qvarsa.er.usgs.gov
From: markhof@ls12x.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: ps2hpgl converter
Keywords: PostScript, HPGL, Color, Printing
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:06:04 GMT
Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: ls12x


I'd like to get color prints from my FrameMaker Documents. Unfortunately,
we don't have a PostScript print to print PostScript in color. We have
a color HPGL plotter, but FrameMaker creates only PostScript. So, here
is the question:

Is there any tool to convert PostScript to HPGL?

Ingolf Markhof

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rod@philips.oz.au (Rod Roberts)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 07:10:46 GMT
Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia
Subject: .mif to .rtf filter
Summary: how can I convert .mif files to .rtf files

Does anyone out there in net land know I can get a filter to generate a ".rtf"
( Microsoft Rich Text Format ) file from a ".mif" file. I have looked briefly
at my Frame documentation and it appears that Frame does not have one. Are
there any third party vendors who can supply such a beast. Or, dare I ask, is
there a public domain/shareware/freeware one. Thanx in advance

														Rod

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From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.text.tex
Subject: Frame 2.0D on NEXT's
Summary: Frame 2.0d on a NeXT 2.1E
Keywords: Frame NeXT
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:32:49 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus

Is this piece of software usuable, does anybody have a bug report list
available.  Is it capable of producing thesis type work or should I
look at LaTeX, my document will contain numerous screen captures and
while psfig is nice i'm sure frame could handle this job better.

Cheers.

PS. Is anybody running bibframe on a NeXT?
From: ABYKAT@UTCVM.BITNET (Dr. A.Bykat")
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Questions
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:22:22 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

I would like to compare two FrameMaker files and to create a list of
difference. log frame treats the files as binary, and does not generate a list.

Is there a utility that you can point me to that performs this action?

Also, is there a utility that prints out the file's text (omitting all the ps
staff, markers etc) so that one can quickly look at the file's contents?
(saving the file as text in order to preview it is not good enough.)

AB
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kendal@sol.UUCP (Ken d'Albenas)
Subject: Frame on SunView vs. OpenWindows
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:35:13 GMT

Dick Rude has asked about ways to handle the incompatibility
on Sun platforms between SunView Frame 3.0 and X/Motif Frame 3.0
in OpenWindows - the keyboard macros in particular, and keystroke
sequences in general.

I'm sure his complaint strikes a responsive chord in a lot of us.
My solution was to just keep on running the SunView version of
Frame 3.0 in OpenWindows.  There are some inconveniences, but not
nearly as many as switching to the X/Motif version.  Apparently
the OpenLook version of Frame is only at Release 2.1 level right
now.  I'm willing to sit tight with the SunView version until a
3.x release for OpenLook.

Besides, Frame quoted $100 for an X/Motif tape, plus $100 for
documentation, even though I'm on the software support plan.
Hmmpph.  (I have heard, though, that this has been waived in
some cases.  Hmmpph again.)  Any comments out there?

The macro-remapping problem should be a reminder to us to make
good use of the Comment option when defining a macro. That way,
if we have to redefine the macros for X/Motif Frame, we can look
at the macros file and restore the original triggers, at least.
For example, take these pairs of comment and executable lines
from a kbmacros file:

F5 is like !gu  (Graphics selection Ungroup):
   <\![228z : \!gu>
{shift}-F5 is like !gg (Group selected Graphics):
   <\x11b \x15b \x132 \x132 \x138 \x17a  : \!gg>

The comment lines say what I was doing with the F5 key,
which helps a lot even if "!gu" and "!gg" no longer
work (and of course the executable line is gibberish).


Patricia Seybold once complained about the Programmerese required
to work with FrameMaker, such as format definitions in variables,
cross-references, and generated lists.  The keyboard macro file
may be the worst instance.  Only a lover of WordPerfect could
possibly condone this.  Maybe if enough users were to lean on
those fine, responsive folks at Frame Tech, Frame would see the
benefits of a more thorough commitment to English instead of
Programmerese.


For any other SunView users converting to the OpenWindows GUI,
I've made a list of differences between the two that aren't
documented in my copy of OpenWindows Deskset Reference (Appendix A,
"Differences Between SunView and the DeskSet Environment").  I won't
clutter up the framers email with it, but anyone is welcome to e-mail
me (kendal@auto-trol.com) if they'd like a copy.


Cheers,


**************** kendal@auto-trol.com ************
From: cmcc@tcs.COM (Caitlin McClure)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: ergonomics
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:07:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: allston.9204071207.AA23888
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Hello.

Thanks to all who responded to my plea for information about
computer related injuries and how to treat them. It has been
very helpful to not only receive your practical suggestions, but
to hear your individual stories. What I have learned is not only
that we need to get the right equipment in the right positions,
but that we need to take these potential work related injuries
very very seriously... and if we do, we can correct the injuries we
have now, and avoid any new ones. 

Below are some of the highlights of the mail I received.

* If you work in a group, remind each other to take breaks, to
stretch. Also, watch how your colleagues sit, and help them to
adjust their equipment, postures...

* Most of the initial wrist and shoulder pains became serious 
injuries (forcing one to stop working for a period of time),
because they were not attended to early enough. 

Attending to these pains can simply mean stretching, taking
breaks, doing some quick and simple eye exercises... PLUS 
rearranging the equipment so that it puts as little strain on
your body as possible.

* If treated properly, these injuries WILL go away, as long as
they are not too serious by the time you finally seek help.

* Keep elbows and knees at right angles. That means that with
relaxed shoulders, your wrists should be flat over the keyboard...
if you need to raise your chair to do so, put your feet on a
foot rest. 

The top of the the screen (not the casing for the monitor) should
be at the level of your eyebrows.

The monitor should be perpendicular to the floor.

* Wocam Graphics produces a drawing tablet as an alternative
to the mouse. (Preliminary research shows that it works only for
a few programs...) Tel: 1-800-922-6613.

* Track ball mouse-es are available with foot pedals for the
Macintosh. They can be made for the Suns, with a little know-how
and foot pedals from Radio Shack.

* Dan McCrobie is an ergonomist, and can be reached at
mccrobie@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com

* Caroline Rose puts out the RSI Newsletter once every 2
months, or so. Her address is 970 Paradise Way/Palo Alto,
CA/94306. She asks for a $2.00 or more donation. She can also
send you back issues, if you are interested.

* Two doctors who specialize in this area are: Dr. Robert 
Markison - Professor, UCSF; Cheif of hand surgery, SF General
Hospital and Dr. Ronald Harwin - Chiropractor, Albany (415)525-0472.

* TransAmerica is my company`s workers comp. insurance co. They
provided us with a video tape called "The seated worker workout."
It demonstrates 10 minutes of easy stretches that really do feel
good. My office has started doing them...it's too soon to tell if
they will make a difference, but already it helps in terms of
being aware of how your body SHOULD feel, so that you`ll immediately
correct a small pain, instead if ignoring it.

***

Good luck! I hope this information is helpful. Thanks, again to 
all who contributed.

-Caitlin McClure
From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FM and pict2 files question
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:42:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: vixvax.1992Apr13.144209.1765
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

I'm not using Framemaker (Mac) right now, but I want to know how FM would handle
my situation:

I have many SGI-based screen shots in the .rgb format that I wish to drop
into my page layout program.  The .rbg files were converted to pict2 format
on the SGI and then transferred to my Mac.  I openned them up in Photoshop,
made the resolution 200 dpi, and in the Page Setup menu, set the Screen
parameter so that the file would "Use printer default screen," and in the
Transfer parameter, set the 50% level to 25%.  When printed from Photoshop to
a high rez NewGen printer, the screen shots came out great, with all the text
very legible.  My problem occurred when I dropped the files into my page layout
program.  For whatever reason, the files became much darker, to the point
where the text was not readable.  I suspect that the page layout program
converted the pict2 files to something it liked, and in the translation the
quality was lost.

My question is this: to the best of your knowledge, how would FM handle this?
Would FM convert the files to something else when loading them in?

I may convert to FM if it can deal with this situation acceptably.

Your input would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Steve. 
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