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From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Hyphening
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:08:54 GMT
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:10:22 GMT

In article <199301091602.AA01234@gmdzi.gmd.de> Geraint Jones,
Geraint.Jones@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>(  [TeX] claims to do the correct hyphenation for
> ) the most common 700 words guaranteed with the standard English
>(  hyphenation and exception dictionary loaded.
> ) 
>(  I ... also think its "standard English" is actually "standard
American".
>
>It is, on the whole; and claims to be I think.  Americans hyphen (or
rather
>hypenate) by pronunciation, in British English hyphening used to be done
by
>etymology.  TeX has seen to that.  TeX actually thinks it /should/ be
ur-ban
>rather than (in extremis) urb-an.  At least it doesn't hyphen leg-end. 
It's
>like those insidious round lower-case `o's in computer modern founts. 
Argh.
>Every-bloody-where they are.  Worse by an Irish mile than tonite, sulfur
and
>Elvis on the moon.

TeX's ENGLISH hyphenation patterns are derived from the Oxford English 
Dictionary and in collaboration with the Oxford University Press. They 
work extremely well, and I think that they are either copyright or the 
method has been patented. Can't remember which, though.

 ===> James Petts <===

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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Drugs
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:31:37 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <930108.144443.7k7.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> Tim Steele <tjfs@tadtec.co.uk> writes:
>> Two comments: firstly, given a choice of aspirin, paracetamol and 
>> ibuprofen, which should you take for most common problems?  I take the 
>> aspirin for colds, paracetamol for hangovers and ibuprofen for headaches, 
>> but I suspect this is entirely arbitrary.  Anyone know better?
> 
> I prefer the pre-emptive cure for hangovers:  drink at least half a litre of
> water before falling asleep.  And ideally drink milk and eat something before
> any serious drinking.

I have always tried to take a minimum of 1 pint of water to place next to my
bed in case I wake during the night, this has in the past increased to 3 pints
a night. I'm known for not suffering from hangovers very often (compared to
my drinking buddies), I'm also known to suffer lightly compared to others when
I do suffer. Dehydration is the cause of hangovers (apart from the quantities
of methanol that is in the booze - legally allowed up to a point), so drinking
water is a great idea. Make sure you're near a loo though :-)
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
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From: stuart@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hi-fi TV sound?
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:16:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote:
: Is it possible to obtain, fairly cheaply, devices which pick up television
: signals and output decent stereo sound through an amp to speakers? 

You can get separate Nicam decoders, costing in the range #100-200. I don't
know what the sound quality is like though... However it may be more worth
your while getting a Nicam video (about #300-350) and connecting this to
your Hi-Fi.

Stuart
(stuart@minster.york.ac.uk)
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Clangers patterns sought & offered
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:25:41 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1993Jan5.110235.5719@ohm.york.ac.uk>, jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll) writes:
> Now that the blessed `Clangers' is back on TV,

Daft question, when is it back on TV? and in which TV region(s)?
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Hyphening
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:59:13 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <199301091602.AA01234@gmdzi.gmd.de>, Geraint.Jones@prg.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:
|> ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel) and dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon), severally:
|> [...]
|> 
|> It is, on the whole; and claims to be I think.  Americans hyphen (or rather
|> hypenate) by pronunciation, in British English hyphening used to be done by
|> etymology.  TeX has seen to that.  TeX actually thinks it /should/ be ur-ban
|> rather than (in extremis) urb-an.  At least it doesn't hyphen leg-end.

As I have discussed (off-line) with Phil, there are (experimental)
English hyphenation patterns for TeX now available.  TeX the program
actually doesn't `think' about what it does for hyphenation; it
follows the patterns that the system administrator gave it when TeX
was installed.  The fact that only last year (as I recall) were
English patterns developed says more about UK users of TeX than it
does about TeX itself.

|>                                                                         It's
|> like those insidious round lower-case `o's in computer modern founts.  Argh.
|> Every-bloody-where they are.  Worse by an Irish mile than tonite, sulfur and
|> Elvis on the moon.

I gather you don't like CM fonts (note: founts are an entirely
different kettle of fish ;-).  I have some sympathy with your
feelings, though I'm not as dogmatic about the issue as you are.  Get
the administrator of your system to provide you with access to the
PostScript fonts in your printer*.  Not terribly difficult for most uses.

|> Mind you, it's not as bad as those twonks at a certain Welsh newspaper who
|> let their composition system hyphen in the middle of some letters.  (Between
|> two identical consonants is almost always a good place to hyphen in English;
|> some Welsh consonants are represented by the same symbol written twice.)

This whole conversation arose from the fact that English newspapers
don't seem able to hyphenate English, let alone Welsh.  What do you
expect?  Literate newspapers?  Pshaw!

* I assume you do _have_ a PostScript printer?
--
Robin (Keep Radio 3 != Classic FM) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Call the controller of radio 3
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:36:01 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan6.093242.29642@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
> An opportunity to blow a raspberry at the new controller of radio 3 is
> to be offered next Saturday morning.
> 
> (I hope people who _like_ the new formats will ignore this post...)

I will be glad to, Robin. He has established a serious, regular, early music
slot, started having his presenters talk to musicians rather than just play
their recordings and has managed to get concessions from the Test Match Special
crowd. What more could you hope for?
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Oil spills - history
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:11:42 GMT
	<1993Jan6.132111.21664@wraxall.inmos.co.uk>
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: des@inmos.co.uk's message of 6 Jan 93 13:21:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.132111.21664@wraxall.inmos.co.uk> des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) writes:

   David Shepherd (des@inmos.co.uk) wrote:
   : Philip Hazel (ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
   : (I think that) I can very dimly remember it so I'd guess at it happening
   : in about 1967/8. However I may well be quite wrong as I can only remember
   : being aware of it, I can't remember any other events at the same time
   : which would help fix the date.

   just read in todays guardian that it was 1967 - so my memory was right

Given the Guardian's reputation for misprints, perhaps the date was
1976 or 1679? :-)

		Jim
From: andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Mac sucking extra voltage
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:53:20 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Sussex
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Allen Baum (abaum@armltd.uucp) wrote:
: Hmm, my father father used to fix those things. 
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gosh, you must be young if your *grandad* used to fix Macs......   :-)

Happy New Year



-- 
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From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Mornington Crescent rules anyone?
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:46:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.095202.27792@medusa.prime.com> richm@CIS.Prime.COM writes:
>Please, if anyone does really know the rules, and if there are
>any, could they post them to this group or Email them to me
>as well. This game has always perplexed me, and everyone
>seems very coy about it. Perhaps it's a case of the King's
>invisible clothes, and people don't really know - well Damon?

Well, shall we tell them?  B^>

Damon
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From: Geraint.Jones@prg.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Hyphening
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:02:57 GMT
Organization: The Pied Baby-Sitter of Hamelin
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3

ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel) and dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon), severally:
(  [TeX] claims to do the correct hyphenation for
 ) the most common 700 words guaranteed with the standard English
(  hyphenation and exception dictionary loaded.
 ) 
(  I ... also think its "standard English" is actually "standard American".

It is, on the whole; and claims to be I think.  Americans hyphen (or rather
hypenate) by pronunciation, in British English hyphening used to be done by
etymology.  TeX has seen to that.  TeX actually thinks it /should/ be ur-ban
rather than (in extremis) urb-an.  At least it doesn't hyphen leg-end.  It's
like those insidious round lower-case `o's in computer modern founts.  Argh.
Every-bloody-where they are.  Worse by an Irish mile than tonite, sulfur and
Elvis on the moon.

Mind you, it's not as bad as those twonks at a certain Welsh newspaper who
let their composition system hyphen in the middle of some letters.  (Between  /
two identical consonants is almost always a good place to hyphen in English; /
some Welsh consonants are represented by the same symbol written twice.)    / g
___
My spelling checker objects to twonks.  So do I.
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: mark@mark-one.inet-uk.co.uk (Mark Powell)
Subject: Re: Drugs
Organization: Mark-One Public Access UNIX (+44 942 273926)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:18:45 GMT

In article <IDF.93Jan7233604@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk> idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet) writes:
>
> On 7 Jan 93, Dave Hodgkinson wroteApparently-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk
>
>> But there are side effects to cannabis, but I'm buggered if I caaan
>> remember them!
>
> I read over Christmas my sisters Psychology textbook which under the
>general topic of mind/body affecting drugs (which I felt morally
>obliged to read for just this sort of occasion) it said that studies
>on users of cannabis showed that their sensory-motor reflexes were
>dulled to the extent that people under the influence shouldn't perform
>complex activities eg driving.  It didn't say how much had been
>consumed but that was the first I have heard that cannabis affects
>motor control.

It will definately make driving more difficult. Even to the extent
that a little over indulgence can make one feel like driving is
the last thing you'd want to be doing. I've not made detailed
studies, but it's affects on driving would seem pretty similar
to the problems caused by alcohol.
  I read somewhere that an adept could learn the effects that
cannabis has on his/her body and learn to control it. To the
extent that someone could feel 'high', but could seperate this
from the motor control affects and thus have normal control
over physical actions. I think this was in a Psychology text book.
  There are side effects. Short term memory loss is a greatly
quoted one. The book "Keep off the grass", goes into considerable
detail of case histories, chemical analasis of the effects of
cannabis. I'll have to dig it out if anyone wants anymore info.

> Any readers capable of typing a coherent reply?  Presuming they
>remember the question... :-)
>
>Cheers,
-- 
Mark Powell

Mark-One Public Access UNIX, Manchester, UK 	BBS:	+44 942 273926
UniBoard, *the* UNIX BBS, UK distribution site	Voice:	+44 942 714317
From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Think of a number
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:23:12 GMT

dave budd writes:
 > How many Afro-Caribbean and Asian people live in Britain?
 > [...]

But what do you mean by "Asian"? Do you include anybody from Asia
(Japan, Korea, Cambodia, Russia, China, Thailand, etc)?

Next question: where is the highest concentration of Indian,
Bangaladeshi and Pakistani peoples (taken together) outside the Indian
sub-continent?

Gordon.
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: Teletext services (was Video Plus)
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:05:27 +0000

|> davidf@spider.co.uk (David Fraser) writes:
|> : On a different tack, I understand that one of the Teletext "standards"
|> : specifies sub-page selection - particularly useful when you want to see
|> : page 40 of 40. Does anyone implement it? Are there plans to? Or did I just
|> : make up the whole thing? Would I need a new telly to use this feature?
|> : 

Our Philips widescreen tv has subpage selection. I would hazard a guess that
all of the latest Philips teletext sets probably have it too.

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From: sch@oasis.icl.co.uk (Simon Hamner)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.telecom
Subject: Re: Cable provider offering phone service
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:22:27 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes:
[original text deleted ...]
> 
> Actually, while I know this has been over hashed and re-hashed in the past, I think that
> the actual law (Broadcasting Act of 1990 (?)) says that you need pay for a license for any
> equipment which is capable of receiving electromagnetic, electrochemical, etc etc, and so
> on transmissions...someone even mused that according to the law we technically need to pay
> a fee to be able to speak in public.
> 
> If your equipment is capable of receiving any electromagnetic signals in the bandwidth
> which tv signals are broadcast in, then in theory you need a lic.
> 
> I could be wrong...infact, I probably am.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -- 

So this means my radio scanner, which can pick up the audio from TV channels
needs a TV licen[sc]e? 

  Simon.
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Think of a number
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:36:46 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <zlsiida.677@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>How many Afro-Caribbean and Asian people live in Britain?
>The population of Britain is around 60million.
>What did you guess?
>The true answer is:. 
>2.54million
>Apparently 'most' people guess around 10 or even 20 million.
>It is believed that this may be an expression of racially based fear.

I'd say it's more likely to be because most people in the media live
in London or other large cities where there's a much higher proportion
of non-white people, and so their reporting reflects the culture
they see around them, rather than that of the country as a whole.
This is bound to affect popular opinion.

--
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Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: jim@edscom.demon.co.uk (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: Think of a number
X-Disclaimer: #include <std/witty/disclaimer.h>
Reply-To: Jim Thomas <jthomas@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:03:31 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Jan 93 12:36:46 GMT, gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) said:

Guy> In article <zlsiida.677@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>How many Afro-Caribbean and Asian people live in Britain?
>The population of Britain is around 60million.
>What did you guess?
>The true answer is:. 
>2.54million
>Apparently 'most' people guess around 10 or even 20 million.
>It is believed that this may be an expression of racially based fear.

Guy> I'd say it's more likely to be because most people in the media live
Guy> in London or other large cities where there's a much higher proportion
Guy> of non-white people, and so their reporting reflects the culture
Guy> they see around them, rather than that of the country as a whole.
Guy> This is bound to affect popular opion.

Did they also ask the same people what the population as a whole was.
Maybe they will vastly overestimate this as well

--
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jim@edscom.demon.co.uk   Tel:  +44 908 284522
Opinions expressed are my own, and are not necessarily those of my employer.
From: richard@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: HYPNOSIS, Hypnotic Regression.
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:28:54 GMT
Organization: HCRC, University of Edinburgh

In article <1993Jan7.164156.2678@dct.ac.uk> ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>Take care here. While this can probably help in some cases I believe
>that "False memory syndrome" under regression hypnosis is now well
>documented.

This confirms my view that hypnosis is a debugging mode for the human
brain.

It provides many of the standard facilities provided by debuggers:

  - examining memory
  - modifying memory
  - control of output devices
  - editing of input data ('your right hand feels very hot')
  - setting breakpoints ('whenever you hear the word "fish" 
                         shout "I'm a doughnut"')

Evidently the manufacturer forgot to disable the debugging feature
before releasing the product.  Or maybe we're still in beta test.

-- Richard
-- 
Richard Tobin,
Human Communication Research Centre,                       R.Tobin@ed.ac.uk
Edinburgh University.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:14:36 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan6.170350.8730@clts1.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:
> 
> I got the distinct impression that there were more of these about in        /
> the Netherlands than you see here.  In fact I don't know that I have       /
> ever seen one in the UK, but that might just be for want of looking.	  / g

Blackwell's have, or at least had, a few. I think no-one bought them so they've
given up.

-- 

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wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies and Record Companies
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:32:26 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <930108.155837.0K7.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> There was a system on Tomorrow's World where you could pick the tracks you
> wanted from a list and have them recorded onto a CD specially for you.

Hmmm, rather pre-supposes the listener wants a CD though. Whats wrong with a
good Metal/CRO2 tape? or DCC?

Well yes, CD removes some sound definition, but DCC, oh please....

> Indeed.  Personally, I don't buy multiple formats, I don't buy compilation
> albums (with one exception), and I don't buy anything in a DigiPak.

I do my best not to. What is a DigiPak?
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Video Plus
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:26:09 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1iudtdINNmq4@cardamom.compnews.co.uk> phil@compnews.co.uk (Phil Male) writes:

   ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
   :                  I'm also pretty tired of all their pushing of FilthLine
   : (tm) telephone services. 

   I'm sure the ads are not for those sort of numbers, now the Midnight Blue
   pages (which I *still* havn't seen) are supposed to be a different matter.

No, they're not censored sex lines; the adverts are more along the lines of:

	NINTENDO!! NIKE!! TURTLES!!!  BROS!!!! BAY CITY ROLLERS!!!!
	LIBRA, SCORPIO, AQUARIUS, RUSSELL GRANT!!!!!! TEN DAYS IN
	TORREMOLINOS!!!!!!!  SUPERMARIOBROS PHONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... in lots of different colours, flashing in very large letters all over the
screen, when you're innocently trying to find out what's coming on the telly
tonight.

I complimented the new Teletext service rather too quickly a few days ago - I
hadn't yet come across the intrusive shit they interleave with their normal
pages.  It's every bit as annoying and repulsive as the old Oracle service
ever was, unfortunately.  They seem to assume that everyone in the country is
a tame, ignorant, and rather dim SUN!!!!!!!! reader.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)