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From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:19:32 GMT

In article <715716940@lear.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.004302.15490@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD) writes:
>>Some questions.  Do we really maintain our sexual identity after death?
>>Do  we really remain male and female in heaven or hell? 
>
>	   If you believe in Quran or other revealed books, the answer is
>yes. Adam and Eve definitely had genders in heaven, before they came
>to this earth. 
>
>>If so, how does 
>>one tell the gender of a soul? One can not exactly examine  the  nether
>>regions of a soul, or can one? 
>
>	   What manifests itself as a tangible aspect of our physical
>body is not necessarily manifested as such in a different environment.

profound:)
..but, how do you know?:)

>
>dsqa
>
>-- 
>"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
>of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
>easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
>--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu


-harsh 
-- 
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Harshavardhan Deshmane                                 I had a signature
ECE Dept.,                                             it became an address:(
North Carolina State University.                       had@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Re: Rain Releif Fund
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:14:14 GMT

In article <18lhl7INNbum@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro) writes:
>
>Dear friends,
>
>Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
>daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
>lives and more than a million have been homeless.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
.........stuff deleted

Over a million homeless, it is sad, but I have qualms about the figure
represented, could anybody please clearify Mr.Soomro's claim and what
paritcular sector of interior Sindh was this devastation.

Regards,

Yasin.
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From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Career Guide
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:03:41 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

Here's something for career opportunities in South East Asia

waseem

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In order to be a member, you have to write to Peterson's Connection at the
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                Dept 392, P.O. Box 2123,
                Princeton, New Jersey 08543-2123.

Please include the following information along with the application:

        Name: ______________________________________________________
        Current address: ___________________________________________
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From: qazilb50@wharton.upenn.edu (Haider Ali Qazilbash)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PSAI Scholarship Database:  Assistance Requested...
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:11:54 GMT
Organization: Wharton School of Business

Asalam Aleykum,

    The PSAI Project Scholarship Database has compiled an extensive
database of scholarships available for graduate education in the 
United Kingdon which can be received by e mail from S M Rizwan Azeem 
(azeem@vax.oxford.ac.uk).  The usefulness of this literature is manifested 
by the fact that a considerable number of PSAI members contemplating 
enterance to a graduate programme in the UK have saved a copy for present or 
future use.

    As a next step, the PSAI wishes to have this information distributed
to ALL major universities and colleges in Pakistan so that our compatriots
there also have access to this information, just as we do now.  

    Since the PSAI is lacking in financial resources, I request those
Pakistani individuals, professionals, groups or organizations that 
can provide logistic assistance to come forward and help us in 
distributing the scholarship database in Pakistan.  I look forward to
hearing from you.  Thank you.
  

    Haider Ali Qazilbash
    PSAI

    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:03:02 GMT

>
>>CREATION of "rec.arts.poems.urdu"
>>
>>Charter:
>>This group will serve the needs of all people within the Indian sub continent
>>that have a interest in the Urdu Language and its rich poetry collections.
>

B. Kumar writes:

>NOoooooooooooo!
>
>It is *NOT* required as soc.culture.pakistan is already there. The cultural
>news groups are proper place to discuss literature. Moreover, Urdu hardly
>has any literature worth separte discussion. To be more objective,
>it does not have even 0.0000000000001 percent of literature compared to
>English, French and Russian to warrant a news group.
>
>What "rich" poetry collection?. Other than mostly third rate shers  all of
>those *obessively* talking about women and wine again and again and again...
>till they make its reader sick. I would call its so called poetry of mentally
>retarded neurotic sexophiles who could not see any thing beyond wine and
>woman. What is there to discuss about such rubbish in a separate news group?
>
>Poetry has much wider scope. It must have its style. Other than a single
>"Gazal" style borrowed from Persian what is there in Urdus so called
>Poetry? Other than talking about *women and women and women* what does it
>talk about? It awefully lacks substance and style (just think of literature
>in Bangla to compare with, and you would know why Bangladeshi rightfully
>insisted on Bangla being the national language of Pakistan).
>
>>Will be a forum of discussion for Urdu ghazals and interpretations.
>>
>>Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts within
>>the subcontinent
>
>Urdu has no impact on any langauge. It has borrowed its grammer and upto 75
>percent vocabulary from Hindi and rest 25 percent from Arabic/Persian and
>Turkish. Its literture is miniscule and most is third rate cheap expressions
>of wanting to see a woman whom mostly muslim poets couldn't see because of
>traditional Islamic restrictions of keeping women behind doors in full
>body covering clothes or Purdah.
>
>Forget it. If you need to discuss the poetry. You can discuss on SCP or SCI.
>
>B. Kumar

Actually, B. Kumar should be grateful that somebody thought of making a
separate group for Urdu poetry.  That way he wouldn't have to read  all
those "mostly third rate shers" on SCP and SCI. I can only assume  that
he is either irrational or had something else on his mind when he wrote
this....

Kamal.
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: MORE Criket Gossip.....
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:38:22 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep9.221337.17489@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>>	   It wasn't enough to read a the recent discussions between
>>self-proclaimed relgious scholars, we had to see two women, yes women,
>>talking about cricket on SCP. Well, cricket is just fine, but
>>discussing balls is a bit too much. 
> 
> Why should women not discuss balls methinks you play around with words
> and use to many innuendos.
> 
>>
>>	   Having said that, I must agree with Ms. F. Khurshid (who is
>>she?) that the English bowlers also tamper balls. In fact, all bowlers
>>do doctor balls in some way or the other [no pun intended]. 
>>
> 
> And how quickly you agree with all the femails on the net !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats 'cause we femails are always right!!!!!!!!! ;-)  a quick exit --> rukhsana
:-)
> 
> 
>>>> headlines:
>>>> FINGERED! We nail the Pakistani Cricket Cheat.
>>
>>>It's obvious...the ICC know the truth, but the bigot's there are bad loser's
>>>and want to prolong the bad feeling for the Pakistani team. 
>>
>>	   There is a grain of truth in this. Cricket was introduced to
>>the colonies by the British, and there is considerable ego involved.
>>
>>dsqa
>>
> 
> So was Tea and noe we drink more tea than the british
> 
> sahibzada rafay khan []
> 
>>-- 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:59:01 GMT

To all those perturbed by "erudite" coments on Urdu,
please cool off!  It's a mere sideshow.  Perhaps a sideshow of
a sideshow!

Inflammatory remarks are no good and it's even worse to get provoked:

Bichu chahay achah ho ya bura,
wo bichara adath ka majbur hay!
Us pay tharas KKao or apni zabaan ka faida uttao!

Omar
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:10:28 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep12.190006.11034@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>In article <BuF7o9.M2q@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep11.072914.27434@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu) writes:
>> >In article <1992Sep10.024417.5116@sol.cs.wmich.edu>(Naveed
>> >Sherwani) writes: 
>> >
>> I wrote a response about someone calling names and shouting
>> obsenities(sp) at my mother, but I fail to picture Mr Sherwani's
>> cool.  There had to be something that is offensive enough to 
>> provoke an angry response. This is just a personal response. 
>> I can see how Mr Sherwani can maintain his composure while my
>> kick heads to someones crotch. To quote a lame line out of 
>> Streisand song to go as the musical score as you picture someone
>> at the receiving end of my anger, "people, people need people",
>> to straighten them out if I might add.
>> 
>
>Naveed Bhai:
>
> Maybe I can remain cool or  maybe I cant. But I sure would try.
>Anger is short term  ego trip with long term (bad) effects.
>
>Well here is a anger situation, that most will find
>hard to comprehend.
>
>Background:
>You can get a brand new Taxi in Pakistan within three days
>of your arrival with only 10% down. So dont worry about un-employment :-).
>(a policy of Nawaz Sharif supported by Naveed Sherwani, I am sure he is 
>thrilled :-)).
>
Thanks for the tip. 
".
>Event:
>A friend of ours took advantage of this policy
>and on the very first day, he was robbed, shot in the head and his
>taxi taken away by unknown (and still free) robbers. His body was found
>three days later. I guess, the crime wave is catching on.
>
>Question:
>Can my friend's family remain cool ? I cant answer that.
>
>Opinion:
>As my mother says, only Allah[swt] can get angry with this
>evil kind of people, it is beyond human anger !
>
Ahah. religion, the drug. eh!, to loosely paraphrase Marx.

>regards,
>
>-Naveed

If you get a chance, try checking out Newsline, Aug 92 edition. It has listed
the so called torture cells are they are maintained by the MQM, PPI, JSSF. Read
this statement in the same order. i.e PPI-MQM rivalry resulted in more of their
men heading to the cells. I just wanted to mention this because you mentioned
your friend's family, and there were a few pictures of mourning families in 
Peshawar after the Shia-Sunni riots.

As an aside, (as long as I am posting), to the guy who has doubts about the
figure quoted by Rehman Soomro, of a million people left homeless in Sindh 
after the recent floods. I 
was reading The Dawn and the 
estimates provided by official sources stand close to 700,000. Everybody who
knows how informed our officials are, the figure can climb to more than one-
million.



the younger, skinnier Naveed
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: REPOST: Viqar-ul-Mulk, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 9 Sep 1992 21:32:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		===========================
		Nawab Viqar-ul-Mulk
		-------------------

	Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk was born in 1841 in Moradabad[ now in U.P. India].
Like Sir Syed and Mohsin-ul-Mulk he too attained a high status in life
by dint of sheer personal ability and hard work.
	Sir Syed and Mohsin-ul-Mulk let the education movement of the 
Muslims, and Viqar-ul-Mulk added a political dimension to it.  He
agreed with the political ideas of Sir Syed and Mohsin-ul-Mulk.
He felt the need for a seperate political platform as well as a 
seperate political party  for the muslims and persistently worked towards
this goal.
	At last in 1906, The Muslim League was founded and he became its joint
Secretary. The annulment of the partition of Bengal led to his disillusionment
with the British and he wrote his famous article "Musalmano'n kaa Ayendah
Laiha-e-Amal"( The future course of action for the Muslims) and published
it in the Aligarh Institute Gazette as a public expression of his
anti-British stance. It would not be wrong to say that the Muslims subsequently
followed the path pointed out by him.
Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk died on January 27, 1917.

P.S. 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution, 1940-90
     by Pakistan International Airline (PIA).

Mansoor Ahmed Khan
Cleveland, Ohio.
August 1992.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Any info on Air Fares to Pakistan ?????
Summary: airfares
Keywords: AIRFARES
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:09:26 GMT




  HI I have posted a request earlier as well.
  I need to go to Karachi in November 92 from New York.
  Can anybody help please ?


Mubashir.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Ghazal Time...
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:36:08 GMT


Here is an attempt at translation................


	Raat sannata, Dar-o-baam kay honton  pay sukoot
	Raahain chupp chaap hain patthar kay buton kay manind.

	Roshnee taapon mein uRsaiee hoee rakkhee hai,
	Aur neend aankhon kay jharokon say lagi baithee hay......


This is by an Indian Poet, whose name unfortunately I forgot.


Regards.

Syed Sayeed Ahmed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN)
Subject: intent intentions. is Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:49:21 GMT

anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:

>	.....but what are intentions to be judged by??????
                 ~~~~shdnt that b who?

>	ADIL [aawara gard-e-shehrr ko pathhar na maarna
>	      aadaab-aashna  na  saahi,  aadmi tou  hai] NAJAM
Afshan.   aadmi hai kya :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Looking for Ijaz Shah at Arizona State Univ.
Summary: Ijaz
Keywords: Ijaz
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:12:59 GMT



  Hello World,
	      I am desperatley looking for a guy named Ijaz Shah.
  He's an Electrical Engineering major in Arizona State.
  Does anybody has his phone number. If he's without phone, please ask
  him to call me at (601) 324-7324.

  Thanx a bundle.

Mubashir.

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              If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Do not neglect Sunnah
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:10:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan)
>Subject: Do not neglect Sunnah
>Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

>  If you were to only take the Holy Quran as a guide
>and neglect the Sunnah, then you can go ahead and
>even establish your own method of doing the salat.
>Like what the Ismaili shias do: they just sit in
>a Jamaat-khana and listen to a lecture as if in
>a church. Their claim is that the Holy Quran does
>not describe the salat, and so they are free to
>do this!?

As Malcolm X said:
You are not Jew if you don't accuse someone of being an anti-semite.

It looks that one is not muslim if he does not accuse atleast one other sect
of Islam of being Kafir.

>  The Awliyya' are the gateway to the Prophet [saw]
>and the Prophet [saw] is the gateway to Allah swt.

When Idols were gateway to Allah, things were much simple.
Following your viewpoint, we have to pass through countably infinite gates
before  we reach Allah. Is Islam so complicated?

I was under the impression that I could contect GOD without gateways.

>                     was salam, Khalid Khan

Arshad Hussain
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: REPOST: Aga Khan III, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:35:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


		Gallery of Freedom fighters
		---------------------------
		
		Sir Sultan Muhammad Shah, The Aga Khan III
		===========================================

	He was the hereditary spiritual leader of the Ismaili sect.
He was born at Karachi and succeeded to the Imammate in 1885. He was a member
of the imperial legislative council from 1902 to 1904. In 1903 he became
the president of the reception committee of the All-India Muslim Education 
Conference and presided over its Delhi[Dehli] session in 1904. In a 
meeting with the Viceroy Lord Rippon in 1906 at Simla he, as the leader
of the Muslim delegation, suggested a seperate electorate for Muslims.
From 1906 to 1912 he was the President of the All-India Muslim League.
He also convened a Hindu-Muslim unity conference at Allahabad[U.P.]. 
In 1911 he raised three million rupees for the Aligarh Muslim University.
In 1921 he was appointed the Vice Chancellor of this University[A.M.U.].
He was president of the All Parties Muslim Conference 1928-9.
In 1930-33, he was chairman of the British Indian delegation to
the round table conferences. In 1932 he suggested a pact of
minorities which facilitated the announcement of  the communal award.
He became a privy counciller in 1934. He represented India in the 
assembly of the League of Nations in 1932 and in 1934-37. He ws the first Asian
to have been elected the president of the League of Nations in 1937.
The Aga Khan died in Switzerland and was burried in Egypt.

P.S.: From 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-90
	by Pakistan International Airline (PIA).

P.P.S: The house he was born in  still stands on top of a hill in
	what is now Defence Housing Society in Karachi.
	His grandparents had been pushed out of Iran during
	Qhaachaar rule. They ended up in Sindh where later
	Britishers knighted them and gave them the title Aga Khan.
	Sometimes Ismailis in Subcontinent are refered to as Aghakhaanees
	and mostly found in Bombay, Pune, Surat, and Karachi(after 1947).

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio 
August 1992.
From: zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: MORE Criket Gossip.....
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:36:49 GMT
Reply-To: zafir@unssun.UUCP (Zia Zafir)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <716038255@flounder.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>
>talking about cricket on SCP. Well, cricket is just fine, but
>discussing balls is a bit too much. 
>

hmmmmmm!!!  now there is a naughty boy here!!! :-)


>	   Having said that, I must agree with Ms. F. Khurshid (who is
>she?) that the English bowlers also tamper balls. In fact, all bowlers
>
>dsqa

Salman!  another blunder?  (who is she?)

Never try to pose yourself as a naiive (sp?) if you are not. :-) hee, hee, hee

Zia Zafir

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: Re: "Immaculate Conception" : The Movie
Keywords: pakistan karachi films india
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:52:04 GMT

Mr. Nadeem Jamali. You have to be REALLY N A I V E to believe
otherwise..................


Syed.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: listserv
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:30:32 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Is there a listserv to scp that one can subscribe to. Or is there one
for News specifically.
Saif
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