From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: GEORGE BUSH, STOP THE RED-BAITING
Date: 9 Oct 1992 08:44:10 GMT
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athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) said..
>bowler@athena.mit.edu (Bert Smith) wrote:
>
>>  *    Bush's latest attack on Bill Clinton for a trip he took 23 years
>>  ago is a pathetic attempt to divert the American people from the
>>  worst economic record in 50 years.  It is a sign of pure
>>  desperation.
>
>I would like to know why you call it an "Attack" when he was answering a
>question about how he felt about this incident.  He *was* asked the
>question, after all, and he *did* answer it from the heart.
>
>You people act as if Bush just stood up and announced this by himself.  He
>didn't even bring it up, King did.

This is patently false.  The Bush/Quayle re-election campaign has been 
sending out "attack fax"es about this issue for about a week, practically
begging for journalists to pick up on it.

Furthermore:  James Baker, George Bush, Bob Dornan, and three other
Republican congressmen met, at the oval office, Tuesday morning (48 hours 
*before* the larry king show) to calculate a strategy for making this
into an "issue". 

To say "he answered it from the heart" is ludicrous.  He rehearsed and
rehearsed and rehearsed that statement.

>>  *    The American people don't want to hear about Bill Clinton's 1969
>>  itinerary, they want to hear about the course America is going to
>>  take.  
>
>I sure as hell want to.

Good, now you will know the facts.  Here it is:

      As all Rhodes Scholars are encouraged to do, Bill Clinton
 traveled as a tourist during his 40 day winter break in 1969.  He
 visited several countries in Northern Europe during December 1969 and
 early January 1970.

      Clinton's travels took him to Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland,
 Russia, and Prague, Czechoslovakia before returning to England.
 Clinton traveled Europe as a tourist -- not to attend any meeting or
 demonstration.  While in Norway, he visited a friend from Hot Springs
 who was attending Oslo University.  He met Father McSorley
 coincidentally at the Oslo train station, they traveled to the
 University where Clinton was introduced to McSorley's friends, and
 then Clinton went to visit his friend.

      Clinton spent Christmas in Finland with the family of a college
 friend before heading to Moscow where he spent five or six days
 touring.

By the way, you didn't respond to this:

>>  Bill Clinton has a plan to create millions of new jobs,
>>  provide every American with affordable health care, and improve our
>>  schools.  George Bush can only offer more of the same.

Would you like to discuss the pros/cons of Bill Clinton's economic proposals?

>>  *    Moscow was just one of many places Clinton visited as a tourist
>>  during his Northern European vacation.  He traveled alone, without a
>>  sponsor, and he paid his own way.
>
>Neat how he was able to get into Moscow when Ross Perot was unable, eh?

Ross Perot was denied permission to -land his plane- in moscow in
december of 1969, en route to Hanoi.  He was not a tourist.  

Incidentally, 54,000 americans were tourists in the Soviet union 
in 1969.  [Source:  ABC Nightline]
 
>>  While in Norway, he visited a friend from Hot Springs
>>  who was attending Oslo University.  He met Father McSorley
>>  coincidentally at the Oslo train station, they traveled to the
>>  University where Clinton was introduced to McSorley's friends, and
>>  then Clinton went to visit his friend.
>
>Father McSorley has a completely different story.  He also says he
>understands why Clinton is lying.  I am looking to find out if Clinton is
>calling this holy man a liar.  Is he?

Father McSorley says in his book that Clinton met him at the train station,
they went to the university, and met with several of McSorley's friends who
were organizing a peace rally.  [Source:  An anti-Clinton participant in 
CNN "Crossfire" reading from the book]  As you may notice, this exactly 
matches the statement above.  

On ABC's "nightline" tonight, the Republican (sorry don't remember his name,
he's the obese fellow who's been doing a lot of talk shows lately) was
repeatedly asked if there was _any evidence_ of Clinton wrongdoing, or
even if there was reason to _suspect_ wrongdoing.  In every instance, he 
said "No."

On CNN's "Crossfire" earlier today, Clinton's main nemesis in Ark. was
trying his darndest to make Clinton look bad because of this.  But when
pressed, he also admitted that he had no evidence.  (Despite reading a lot
from Father McSorley's book)

Read the Los Angeles Times that will be coming out tomorrow (Friday).  It 
will detail the meeting between Bush, Baker, and Dornan.

 10/08/92  -  Houston, TX;  early morning

    WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN MARLIN FITZWATER:  We don't know anything
          about the Moscow trip -- we don't really know why he went or
          what he was doing.

 10/08/92  -  New Orleans, LA;  late afternoon

    WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN MARLIN FITZWATER:  It's another case where
          he can't seem to tell the truth.

They have no facts, no evidence, no reason to suspect.  But nonetheless,
they seem to know "the truth"

Allan
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aschaffe@netcom.com                                   - George Bush   10/4/92
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