From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:21:51 GMT
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Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158


 > Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
 > From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
 > Organization: Indiana University
 > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:58:38 GMT
 > 
 > In article <1992Sep11.133443.5656@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
 > 
 > >My dear fellow Taiwanese, prepare yourself  for the worst.
 > >I don't how many mainlanders share the same view as this blood thirsty
 > >chauvinism pig. As long as these pigs are there, we have to fight them
 > >whether we get united or independent, because the only thing these pigs
 > >want is to suck up our hard-earned prosperity.
 > >
 > 
 > I don't share the view of this "blood thirsty chauvinism pig". However I think
 > this indeed represents part of the mainlander's view. The problem is
 > the following: not all Chinese understand the cruelty of the war, not
 > all of them understand that people have to die in the war.

You might just as well ignore this vulgar posting by Mr. George He.
Radical people like him, though very vocal, are only a very small
portion among Taiwanese.

 > Always in Chinese movie of war heros, only enemies die. They saw Janpenese
 > die when they watch "tunnel war" and "mine war". They saw KMT generals
 > surrender in "fighting north and south". Not many Chinese people understand
 > that a war is a competition of war machine and race of killing. War is
 > very expensive and demaging. People live in hell during and after war.
 > They don't have the feeling that unless one is forced to go to war, one
 > should never applaude war.

Well said.

 > Perhaps some Chinese leaders understand it, but they never tell the people.

I am sure Chinese leaders know it very well. So well that they do
their best to keep ordinary Chinese from knowing it. So that Chinese
people can be used without much questioning and be willing to die in
a war without asking why when requested by their leaders to.

 > As long as Taiwan is not buying weapons for offense, I don't see any
 > worry about their buying f-16s. By the way, if they are indeed buying plans
 > for invasion of mainland, remember mainland has nuclear bombs. They
 > will be in hell.

Rational Taiwanese know that and gauge this factor with extreme
care.

 > By the way, I don't like Taiwan independence, but I prefer leave them
 > alone if they themselves want independence. I have never had any feeling
 > about this island in my life. No relative there, never been there and
 > never feel invited to there (I am not a communist, nor my family). I can
 > visit other countries in the world, but not Taiwan. They don't like
 > me because I am an ordinary mainlander. 

This is one of the many mistakes made by those in power in Taipei.
I, and many other Taiwanese, hope Taipei will change soon and give
"visas" (in lack of a more proper term) to mainlanders. Making as
many mainlanders as possible to understand the current promissing
situation in Taiwan is one of the most effective approaches for
Taiwan's security.

 > One netter send me an email claiming that it is Taiwanese investment
 > in mainland that made the improvement of mainlander's life. I disagree.
 > I think they went there for money of their own. They should be grateful
 > to mainlanders for hospitality which they lack in Taiwan to mainlanders.

That email you got had a very provincial view. Certainly most
Taiwanese invest in mainland for making money for themselves. That's
why they work so hard. But these investments are mutually beneficial
and should help the economic growth of China. Taiwan went throught a
long period of invinting foreign investments with our dirt cheap
labors and gradually accumulated the capital and industrial
know-how's we have today.

Regards.

- Allan