HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: reason why asking a separate country may be not reasonable
Reply-To: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:48:58 GMT

In article <100669@bu.edu> hari@bass.bu.edu (hariharane ramasamy) writes:

>(Very true, Integrating tha nation is a vast concept and there is
>no malice in it.)

malice intented or not, why is integration 	(integration as in the sense of
making an India speak a common language, have a common `culture', Just for the
sake of integration)		stopped at the `national' level ?

Why cant the integration go on to a continental level with the same `energy'
and enthusiasm, with which `national'-level integrations are being proposed.
Why not global level ???

Why is integrating JUST about 25 crore people such a problem (in europe), while
integration of 87 crores who are more culturally diverse is considered feasible
and a necessity ?

Where did the ECM fail ?  Not in getting a common language, Not in having a common
dress code, Not in having a common culture --------  but in a common currency !!  Of all
things.  Then just imagene their resistance to the various `integration-features'
that people of india are expected to accept !!!

The people of europe dont even think of having a common language.  A common
language will arise by default by necessity.  Unfortunately, in india it has bee
been english, but, that is the single most important reason that students from
india slide into the `groove' with their english skills...

The concept of indian culture is already there in the cities (it owes little to
the ancient indian culture, though it has borrowed habits only from it).  This
culture is heavily leaning towards the west for ideas and support.

Having MOTIF as the standard helps keep s/w development costs down, but s/w is s/w.
Its not human.  Even the west, prizes individuality so much that freedom comes next
(in fact, a line of thought is that individuality implies freedom by default).
But then how is `integration' which essentially means `smoothening out variations'
is such a thing in fad, among us ???

I cant find one simple fuckin' justification for this `national-integration'
-syndrome...A  Justification : Hindu, or christian or west-ian or otherwise...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Sridhar Venkatraman
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:11:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu



how is your kill file for wpi working?

suresh

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From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: Tata (Joke) :-))
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:05:24 GMT

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A desi truck driver emigrated to England. He was once invited  to
a  meal by by a fellow truck driver who had emigrated earlier. As
he was about to leave, his host bade him farewell saying,  "O.K.,
tata,  phir  milengey". The new arrival promptly responded, "Horn
Please".
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From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:03:04 GMT

In article <BZiyTB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:
> 
>A reply to a message written by: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com 
> 
>____________________<Portion of Original Message>____________________
>From all the news, views and analysis I could gather, terrorism is on
>decline in Punjab, and peace finally seems to be returning to the strife 
>torn
>state.
[tons of rhetoric deleted]
>                                           - GSD
> 
>"Physical death I do not fear; death of conscience is a sure death."
>  - Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale
>
>Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 


you roar quite loudly, oh net lion.
wish you would spend some time thinking as well.

-harsh

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North Carolina State University.                    hdeshma@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36556 alt.visa.us:586
From: ss7k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shvetank Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: H-1 and taxes
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:05:46 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from mail: 9-Nov-92 Re: H-1 and taxes by Prabha Ganapathy@wilkins 
> I'm currently on H-1 visa and I believe I do not pay FICA. As far as I
know you 
> only start paying FICA after you become a permanent resident. Also the
govt. r
> eimburses all the money you have paid towards Social Security if you
ever reli
> nquish your Perm. Residency status or citizenship and move out of the US.

If you're on an H-1, you HAVE to pay FICA. Take it from a tax economist
;-).  If your employer is not deducting FICA taxes (and paying in a
matching amount, BTW), then you had better get him/her to do just that. 
If you peruse your H-1 approval carefully, you will see that it is cc:ed
to the IRS, just for this reason.  A simple call to the IRS/your lawyer
will confirm this.  While 7.5% of your gross salary is a big chunk, I
would suggest that you go ahead and bite the bullet, lest at some time
in the future your residency request might be held up (or even denied)
for just this reason.

Your second point....about reimbursing Soc. Sec. $$--where did u get
this info from?  I tend to discount it a bit because if it's from the
same source as the first half of your email then it seems dubious.  We
have several ex-Treasury types working here at PW, and not one of them
has heard anything about it.  If there indeed is such a law(and PLEASE
let there be), can you tell me which department handles it?  I think
this is of continuuing interest to the entire expatriate community here,
and we would all be enriched (literally!) by the knowledge.

Shvetank

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From: giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Was it a landslide? (was Re: Please revise your lexicon, ladies and gentlemen!)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:33:36 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <MJL.92Nov5153001@rigel.bos.locus.com> mjl@bos.locus.com (Mike Leibensperger) writes:
>
>Greetings!
>
>Does the 44%/38%/18% (or 44/39/17, depending on what paper you read on
>Wednesday) popular vote breakdown constitute a Clinton landslide?
>Normally a 5 percentage point difference wouldn't.  And conservatives
>would certainly like to minimize use of the word "landslide".  But
>here is another way to look at it that may provide some with a reality
>check:
>
>  - 62% of Americans believe Mr. Bush should no longer be president.
>    Sort of an anti-landslide, if you will.  Using a similar argument
>    (e.g. "66% voted against Clinton") just doesn't wash, because both
>    Clinton and Perot were advocates of "Change" while Bush didn't
>    even start to smell the domestic policy coffee until the last year
>    of his term.

These polls are so convoluted though--- ABC says that more than 50%
of voters are "scared" of a Clinton presidency and 25% of thosea
people voted for Clinton.  At the same time, USA Today says that
more than 50% are "excited" about a Clinton presidency.  Without
any polls to back me up, my guess is that many people voted for
what they see as "change" more than they did for any specific proposals Clinton 
has.

Rocky Giovinazzo
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: More on s :)
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:09:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: aludra.1dv2ntINN9ap
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


rAjAt Jain writes:
In article <1drj36INNmad@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
> 	Thought I'd save 30 secs. for you, perhaps more. Don't try to figure 
> out what 's'  means in a subject line. You'll trip all over yourself.:)
> 
> FFT

Helllllll.....Doki can't try, then why not me !!! 
Hey, fft, "what does "s" mean in a subject line" ???
just curious !!!

	hee hee :) Could'nt figure out, eh? keep trying.. :)

PS: if you followup this post, pleaseeeeeee use ">" :-)
rAjAt

	If I've learnt one thing from Doki, it's fighting exasperating posts
	with more exasperating posts.. :) You're lucky I'm using tabs :) I have
	*no* intentions of mastering the art of ">" :)

	FFT
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: About the Indian Parliament
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:22:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

cvenkate@yoda.wsu.edu (Chandramouli Venkatesh - CS) writes:


>Hi there,
>Could somebody answer these questions about the Indian parliament?

>#1. How many seats does the Lok Sabha have?
>#2. What is the min no of seats required for a party to form Govt?
>#3. How many seats does the Congress(I) hold currently?

>Thanx in advance.

Last I remember

#1 there were 542 seats in parliament.

#2 typically you would require a simple majority but when a single party
   doe snot have a simple majority, it is upto the president to use his 
   discretion to invite some party to form a government.

#3 Cong(I) currently holds about 230 seats, I believe.

-anant
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: None
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:04:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.1322
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I just saw a note in soc.penpals group, and felt like
posting it on SCI.

--NS
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Subject: Re: April 20th birthday anyone?
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:59:00 GMT

		Hey just b'cause hitler was born on the same day don't mean
		you need to
				be sad. Actually he was one of the best leaders the
				world has had, the
								Daniel.

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From: singhk2@lib103.its.rpi.edu (Kirpal S. Singh)
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN!!!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:37:06 GMT

In article <Bx95Bx.98K@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> aksood@mobius01.math.uwaterloo.ca (Anoop Sood) writes:
>In article <Bx7FyI.9un@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Harpreet Singh) writes: 
>> By naming Punjab as Khalistan only the Sikhs will be able to identify with
>> that it.   The infrastructure will stay as it is.  No, they will not
>
>So the Sikhs can't identify themselves with Punjab.  It has to have a special name 'Khalistan'.  Changing the name to Khalistan will change everything.  The place will be a heaven on Earth.  When million of people can identify with INDIA, what seems to be your problem???? 
>
>> compensate,, but if the Indian govt is need of money we'll pay for it.
>
>Let's see, the INDIAN people have been paying for the infrastructure in place in Punjab for such a long time, so why should they expect any recompensation.
>MUFT KA MAAL HAI!!!!
>   

    Look who is talking! Do you know about the GNP contributions from 
    each state. Why don't you go do your homework. Look at how much 
    Punjab has been contributing to the over all GNP, EVERY YEAR, and 
    then reevaluate your comment "MUFT KA MAAL HAI!!!!."

-Kirpal Singh


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From: ravi@sequoia.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: *WHY INDIAN MEN WATCH PORNO'S?* - ADULTS ONLY
Date: 9 Nov 1992 06:39:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu

sdoki@somewhere writes:
|> 
|> vibgor and a bitch and then a bull and vibgyor......in the same order.
|> 

	with this new diatribe, you have given an entirely new
	dimension to the word "bi-sexual" ;-)

	peace,

	- ravi

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From: hsingh@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ENOUGH   TALK ON  KHALISTHAN........THAT'S ENOUGH
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:24:58 GMT




HOW  ABOUT  ENDING ALL THE TALK ABOUT   K H A L I S T H A N

YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE A PLACE LIKE THAT

BY THE WAY  I AM A SIKH.. AND I HOPE THAT IT DOESEN'T HAPPEN.


NO OFFENSE......  BUT I AM  QUITE  SICK OF   READING ALL THE 

CRAP ABOUT IT...   DON'T WANT TO READ  ABOUT IT ANY MORE......




   T  H   A  N   K       Y   O   U
From: shetty@cirrus.com (Suhas A. Shetty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Travelling Comapnion needed LA-Madras, Malaysian Airlines, December
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:31:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Originator: shetty@ss2128



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From: bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: *WHY INDIAN MEN WATCH PORNO'S?* - ADULTS ONLY
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:20:53 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Nov5.195054.18846@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman) writes:
>> gee.... I have never seen a dog and a bull getting it on!! 
> 
>    ...well, I dunno 'bout you, but I *sure* have seen Bulldogs in
>       India..

WHAT !!!! you have been with bulldogs ... my gawd .......

-vibgyor the Pindari

> 
>       Prabs
From: tvasi@shakti.bio.uci.edu (Taha K. Vasi)
Subject: Re: Travel Ease
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Reply-To: tvasi@shakti.bio.uci.edu (Taha K. Vasi)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:06:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.172513.2749@cis.ohio-state.edu>, parekh@dragon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ashesh Parekh) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> hello folks,
|> 
|> I need to ask you all of a big favor:  I am about to purchase a ticket from
|> Jane at Travel Ease, Rochester, NY.  If you have had any experience with this
|> travel agent or agency, please, please send me a message about it.  The part
|> I am not sure about is this:  She wants me to authorize her to charge the
|> list price for a ticket from Columbus to India ($1774) and she claims that
|> she will send me the difference between the list price and the discount price
|> (about $550) in the form of a check along with the tickets.  The tickets are
|> on Thai Airways from Columbus to Calcutta.

  Send u the difference *back* ? Sounds fishy to me.  Why cant she just charge
  you $1774 - $550 period. Instead of doing all that 'nakhra bazi'.

|> 
|> Thanks for your help.  Believe me, it will be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> -Ashesh

		- Taha
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: UN MAP SANS KASHMIR
Date: 6 Nov 1992 02:52:19 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu


In article <1992Nov5.102635.24082@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:

>>out of this. I am on record as saying that when a plebiscite is held, it must
>>take place in POK as well.
>
>This is the point which netters are overlooking and start to draw attention
>to other points.

The point seems moot since UN resolutions which called for a plebiscite also
called for simultaneous withdrawl of Pakistani forces from Ocuupied Kashmir.
It has been 45 years and far from withdrawing it's forces, Pakistan seems
to have converted Ocuupied Kashmir into a launching pad for militants seeking
to provoke Indian forces across the line of actual control.

Further, Mr.Adil Sheikh while accusing netters of a miniscule memoryspan
conveniently forgets to mention that as far as GOI obligations go, 
elections held in Kashmir 1974 under the auspices of the IG-Sheikh Abdullah 
pact will fulfill the role of a referendum on that state's acession to India.
Some vested interests will ofcourse insist that such elctions were not free
or fair "in their opinion". I guess the only index of an impartial electoral
process for these people will be Kashmir's secession from India. Seems like
a case of de-ja-vu.....1947 to be repeated all over again.  


>
>This is another point which netters are trying to avoid. They do not accept
>the fact that Governer Jagmohan made all arrengemts to shift Hindus from 
>Kashmir to Jammu. So he can supress  the people who are asking their
>rights. I heard this news on BBC. Netters please do not say that
>BBC is biased like someone said AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL is biased.

This is a complete figment of Mr.Sheikh's imagination and based on some
miltant propaganda. Reminds me of the time when a certain gentleman went
on record on SCI claiming that the killing of innocent civilians in the
valley was carried out by the security forces in an effort to discredit the
militants. Talk about a hyperactive imagination!!!!!

As far as refugees go, Mr.Sheikh seems uninformed of the refugee camps in
New Delhi. It strikes me as completely machivalleina that he should claim
that the hundred's of people who have poured into the capital have done so
in an bid to satisfy a crooked politician's well laid plans and not because
they feared for their lives. It seems rather naive to believe that
financial or other inducements can cause the kind of exodus seen from the 
valley. In addition, I think that it is somewhat redundant to also point out 
that even though Jagmohan has long ceased to be the Governor, none of the 
refugees have returned to their former homes.

Samit
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN
Date: 6 Nov 1992 14:31:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov6.175728.11590@usl.edu> sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
>
>
>The Sikhs were targetted for killing. Many innocent Sikhs were killed
>in the riots. The culprits not only  escaped scot-free but continued
>to enjoy positions of power.
>

The counter argument goes that Sikhs like Badal, Talwandi, Tohra and others 
also continue to occupy relative havens of legal immunity by hiding behind the 
facade of the SGPC.  These people not only supported but have also actively
aided and abetted the killings by terrorists. 

All norms of civilized behaviour demand that in our efforts to appease members
of a particular community we do not loose sight of criminals on either
side of the fence. It would be a tragedy of gargantuan human proportions if
we start abdicating our rights to the due process of the law based only on
political correctness or propriety as the case may be.

It is time to recognize that killers masquerading as political leaders are
present in both communities and neither can lay claim to being the victim
while accusing the other of perpetration. Further such one sided partisian 
claims without a semblance of objectivity or balance often calls into question
the person's motives and/or credibility.

Samit







>--Sudhi.
>
>-- 
>*********************************************************************
>Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
>email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
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From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian Tits
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:54:04 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
: 
: It also makes me wonder why Sreehari Nimmala's backside has not been a
: subject for attack, especially for people emerging after several years in the
: closet. May be he has discarded his dog-eared copy of "Mein Kampf" for "How to
: keep fags off your back".

Oh doggy fella! Why are you so often letting people know about your
stinking CHARACTER?? Is it the result of over working ON your
dog??
: 
: 
: 
: Samit






















NS
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Joke :-) :-)
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:09:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov9.210902.29603
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

Q : How do we know that Meerabai (the celebrated devotee of Lord Krishna) had
    a sex change operation ?

A : 'cause in her bhajans you can hear her say "Meera ho gayi magan"
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From: singhk2@lib103.its.rpi.edu (Kirpal S. Singh)
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:59:30 GMT

In article <Bx43tL.786@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>In article <Bx2E5x.4K5@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>, akk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (AR Kukreja arvind kum 202219-7396) writes:
>> It will divide the country just like it did when Britisher's took over
>> the country. Or just like when Persian and Arabic invaders did. It 
>> seems after 1000 years of oppression and slavary we still have not
>> learnt our lessons. We still are thinking of dividing. Germany has 
>> just reunited. Euorope is headed that way. Americans, Canadians and
>> Mexicans are looking forward for a similar cooperation sometime when
>> the time is right, and we in India are thinking of further dividing
>> an already very divided country. 
>> 
>> That's what is wrong with it my friend. 
>> 

   You need both hands to clap. Don't just be blamming it on
   one specific group. You have to look at both sides of the
   coin.

>
>I share your thoughts on this. I feel certain lack of imagination
>and a genuine tolerance are the main reasons for divisive forces
>gaining ground. Too much parochialism prevails. In the name of 
>patriotism many hindu fundementalists are ushering in revisionism
>and facism. India is a truly great country and the way to go will
>be as someone on the net earlier said - south asian federation
>involving Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan.
>It obviously is not easy but certainly POSSIBLE. As long as we have
>hindu fundementalists and their sympathisers fuelling communal
>fights between hindus and non-hindus ( muslims, christians, buddhists..)
>and asserting untruths as truths and thrusting the beliefs of a few
>on the larger majority to serve their facist ideas, india will not
>march ahead with giant steps as it is truly capable of. 
>
>regards
>Selva Selvakumar
>


   Now that's something I could agree with.

-Kirpal Singh

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