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From: "louis ghinis" <louis.ghinis@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: remembering dreams
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:28:13 EST
Reply-To: "louis ghinis" <louis.ghinis@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

  I dunno if anyone else does this.  I sometimes liked to dream instead
of sleep and wake up without knowing what I dreamed.  In order to dream
i would repeat to myself i am going to remember, i am going to remember
what i dream several times and then when it comes time to dreaming I
would remember the dream.  Most times when I only care much about
resting and not dreaming i would not dream.  Is this most common with
people or is it different?

  Louis
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: turbine@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Ford)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
Reply-To: turbine@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:41:47 +0000


The film I think you are talking about is 'The Abyss'. In it one of the
charactors has to goto exceptionally deep depths and uses a highly oxygenated
liquid (something beginning with f IIRC). This liquid does exist and has been
shown on TV with a rat being 'drowned' in it and suviving for some time in it.
The problem with it is that you need a lot of it for a reasonable time under
IIRC.

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From: rishb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (H. Beiers)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: addictions...
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:02:38 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

monnier@csa3.lbl.gov (JOHN MONNIER) writes:


>I smoke (but I'm quitting next week....)
>but I notice that I have NEVER had a dream (that I remember)
>where I smoke, or even want to smoke..

>?

>is this true with other addictions?

>A friend of mine said that he as taken lsd in a dream, but
>lsd isn't physcially addictive?

>thanks...
>john monnier


I have been smoking for a number of years on an on-again-off-again basis.  I
normally smoke from around Christmas to my birthday in April and then
give up for the rest of the year.  Each year when I give up, about a 
month or two later I start to have some dreams where I am having a 
cigarette and suddenly remember that I am not supposed to be smoking.
I am really disappointed with myself in these dreams for having forgotten
that I shouldn't be smoking and for not having lived up to my resolution
not to smoke for the rest of the year.  When I wake up I am always very
relieved that it was only a dream and that I hadn't actually broken
my non smoking period.

I seem to have two or three of these dreams and then they stop until 
the same time next year.

Henric Beiers
henricb@rmit.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gottlieb@umbc4.umbc.edu (Robert Gottlieb)
Subject: Re: Interpretation, please
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:59:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.222811.24496@sura.net> nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:
[dream deleted]
>Background:
>
>She works for a truly evil woman, who has only recently been appointed
>as her superior.  This woman is a back-stabbing, manipulative,
>calculating type of person -- very dangerous.
>
>Her job has been extremely high-pressure, especially recently.  She
>works long hours and does a tremendous job, but this woman is determined
>to claim all the praise for the finished product.
>
>My initial interpretation:
>
>The swamp, instead of representing an obtacle to work, may represent her
>work itself.  She is swimming with some very dangerous people.  Just as
>she has almost finished her work (almost finished getting to the other
>side) her boss stabs her in the back (the cobra bite).  What the woman
>on the other side means, I have no idea.  Questions, comments, other
>interpretations?
>

	One possible interpretation of the woman on the other side
	not believing her is her worrying about other people who
	dont' work with her (or even those that do) wont' believe
	that she has it all that bad, or that she's just wining. 

	In either case it does sound like it's time for a career move
	or something, for your sister, so she doesn't have stress
	while she sleeps and while she's awake.  Not too good for
	ones health.  Anyway, that's my .02.




-- 
Robert Gottlieb
gottlieb@umbc4.umbc.edu
"Not gonna do it.. wouldn't be prudent..."
Not umbc's opinion.
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dreams that made me feel OK
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:54:09 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <1992Jul20.085022.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>, 
arantamaki@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:

> At last I found a place to tell about my dreams to people who
> are even interested in them! 

[Dreams and interpretation deleted]

Helo, Annu,
           welcome to the group. I like your dreams and
your interpretations of them -- profound and
clear-headed at the same time. I have a bit of a name
within this group for repeating the saying "You are
always the best person to interpret your own dreams". I
think you have illustrated that. 

Take care
Ronno
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: methods for inducing an obe
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:12:41 EDT
Followup-To: alt.dreams
 <1992Jul24.230427.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <Jul.25.00.20.22.1992.7174@telerobo.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <Jul.25.00.20.22.1992.7174@telerobo.rutgers.edu>, 
roskos@telerobo.rutgers.edu (Roskos) writes:
 
> As far as dreaming about an OBE rather than experiencing one, this
> *MIGHT* be a result of riding the boundary between sleep and being
> awake.  You know you are not awake, and you may feel the numbness,
> disorientation, and vibrations which go along with an OBE, but
> separation has not taken place.  What might others think?  Do others
> also experience physical body numbness, disorientation, and vibrations
> during an OBE?

i don't know; i've read that every dream involves separation, and elsewhere
i've read that not all dreams involve separation.  when trying to induce an obe
i definitely feel vibrations, numbness (although i'd go as far as to say
a feeling of not-there-ness), and disorientation.  it's as if i'm alive but not
restricted to any form.  sometimes in the dreams i feel discomfort in the back
of my head where the vibrations feel too low to sustain a separation or 
something.  the time i was consciously out of body, everything was vivid and the
vibrations were so high that they were very comfortable.  has anyone been able
to see 360' when out of body?  (i didn't).

you can consciously leave the physical body at will.

Jude

(yesterday i thought it might be a good idea to exchange affirmations.  what
does everyone else think?  (too cheesey?))

also, concerning my last post, by "though of (sic)..." i meant *remembered*; i
did not invent the technique.  (so no blame or thanks).
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:03:07 EDT
From: <CEG112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: first nightmare in ages

I haven't posted much before but the nightmare I had last night compelled me
to do so.  This is the first nightmare I have had in a long time.  I was in a
house (not familiar to me) when I saw this frightening guy.  This is not the
first time I had seen him.  He was in the last nightmare I had (quite some time
ago).  He started to chase me through the house but on the stairs he waited at
the bottom and I had no where to go.  I tried yelling for help but when I tried
nothing would come out.  It was like I was scared so bad I couldn't even talk.
So when I had to go down the stairs I found something (can't remember what)
and hit him over the head with it.  So I made my run for the door.  But when I
got to the door, it was the door for the office at work not like a normal house
door.  I didn't get the handle turned quick enough and he came and grabbed my
arm.  So I started trying to scream help again but still couldn't do it.  Just
then my mom yelled my name a few times to wake me up.  She told me I had been
screaming help for about 5 minutes.  Any interpretations would be greatly
appreciated.

Chris
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From: jdresser@hobbes.Tymnet.COM (Jay Dresser)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe,alt.config
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:04:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dreams


The name alt.dreams.oobe seems to imply that OOBEs are dreams, thus
invalidating the reality of OOBEs.  Those of us who have had the
experience know that OOBEs are not dreams.  I was not dreaming when
mine happened.

It would be like putting alt.astrology under
alt.crock-of-shit.astrology; rather insulting to those believers.  I
think alt.oobe is the perfect name, now let's get on with the
discussion.


-- Jay Dresser, jdresser@Tymnet.com

Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.config,alt.oobe
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:41:27 GMT

In <1992Jul29.083224.41978@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
	(Bob Sloane) writes:

> In <1992Jul28.221217.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> > i strongly feel that if the group is called alt.paranormal.out-of-body, it
> > will severely limit the subjects that get discussed and will be less than
> > supportive.

> The group alt.paranormal is for discussion of paranormal events...
> ...The skeptics
> are perfectly competent to find the group no matter where you put it
> in the hierarchy.  I see no reason to create a new group, since
> alt.paranormal already exists for this topic, and is getting little
> traffic right now...

However, the skeptics have not invaded alt.dreams, to the best of my
knowledge.  The OBE discussion that has been going on in that newsgroup has
touched on the question of what the phenomenon represents, but I haven't
seen the kind of discussion on the topic that's been going on in alt.para-
normal.  Therefore, I agree with Jude (jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu) that it
would be better to make it a top-level newsgroup, like "alt.out-of-body."
I think that many people who are more inclined to be interested in under-
standing the phenomenon as something which might really involve the ability
of consciousness to exist apart from the physical body, and who would like
to work on achieving OBEs themselves might be less interested in a discussion
anywhere under the alt.paranormal category, both because of the connotations
of that term and due to the reputation of the militant skeptics which popu-
late that newsgroup.
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe,alt.config
From: rishb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (H. Beiers)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream of mountain and jungle
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:52:32 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

jalea@iat.holonet.net (Jackie McClure) writes:

>I've been having this reoccurring dream of mountains and jungle for
>about the past year. I'm hiking across a flimsy rope bridge that's
>suspended about 5 centimeters above a broad lake. The air is hot and
>very humid. Dense green jungle surrounds the lake, thick with creepers
>and the calls of birds. The lake is black, almost opaque. I stop a
>moment to adjust my pack and admire the snow capped mountains that 
>loom up beyond the jungle. The thought of all that snow makes me so
>thirsty. I know it's a bad idea but I bend down to scoop up a handful
>of brackish water to drink. There, in the water I see a severed arm
>floating like a pale fish beneath the bridge. A voice says "We killed
>him. We punished him for breaking his covenant with the lake." I turn
>and there's a young boy next to me. He's about 6 years old and is 
>dressed in ragged cutoff jeans and a tattered red tshirt. He sort of
>looks like me ( I guess how my son would look if I had one). He stretchs
>out his hand and says "Come on, I'll take you to my mother." And the 
>dream ends. What the heck does this mean ? Why do I keep having it ?
>I'm open to any ideas.

One thing to think about might be; What events were happening to you at 
around the age of six? 

I find that often dreams about jungles and forests and lakes are about 
female issues.  Issues to do with the feminine side of my self, while
mountain peaks etc are to do with the masculine side.  Maybe this fits 
with the emphasis on the Mother in this dream.

The severed hand and the covenant with the lake reminded me of the 
Lady of the Lake in the Holy Grail stories.

Have you tried to write a story about this person in the dream after
they go with the boy?  That sort of "active imagination" can sometimes
help to see what the consequences of an unfinished action might have been.

Hope some of this helps

Henric Beiers
henricb@rmit.edu.au

Some things to think about might be 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mdahn%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Myron Ahn)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
In-reply-to: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU's message of Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:21:52 GMT
Organization: /u/grad/mdahn/.organization
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:50:07

In article <1992Jul21.202152.3480@leela.cs.orst.edu> uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt) writes:
   I am new to reading alt.dreams. I have had this dream where I am able to 
   breath underwater. It was a weird feeling. It felt soo real. When I woke 
   up I was dissappointed that it wasn't real. I was wondering if anyone else 
   has had this kind of dream too. Also, if someone could tell me if it means 
   anything specific.

Sometimes I dream that I've fallen overboard and I'm drowning, but
then I discover I can breathe fine!  Then I felt incredibly stupid,
because all this time I thought I couldn't breathe underwater.  It
does feel very real for me too.

I'm sure there is some interesting Freudian interpretation to all
this, I'll look in to it and see if I can find anything specific.

-Myron
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: OOBE
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:46:32 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Jul31.095419.29967@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com 
(Richard Beckett) writes:
> 	When do I try? At night, or will there be nothing to see ?

it depends on what you want to see.  i would say there are always entities
lurking about.  also, you might encounter people who are dreaming.  i try
whenever it's convenient.
 
> 	I get myself relaxed - OK, that's not too difficult, I've read a book 
>       on that.
> 	The next bit sounds hard - actually achieving separation - hmm, have to 
> 	experiment here I think.

part of the work lies in deconditioning.  so many things around us tell us that
these things are not possible.  it takes a while to let go of that.  also, fear
needs to be overcome before prolonged separation will occur.  after that, i'd
say it takes effort to *remember* the obes you'll be having (someone just
pointed that out to me yesterday).
 
> 	Should separation occur:
> 	and I go flying off into the night (or day), do I have a time limit ? 
> 	eg Will I be late for work the next morning if I stay out too late ?

if you want to be back at a certain time, all you probably have to do is tell
yourself you'll come back at that time.  (have you ever thought about what time
you want to wake up in the morning and then found yourself waking up at exactly
that time?  it works).  a lot of people say don't try unless you don't have any
time constraints, but a whole night (if you try before going to sleep) is 
probably not a problem ;)
 
> 	Do I have to make sure I can find my way back to my body ? I mean, what
> 	would happen if I were to get lost ?

if the body wants you back (i.e. is having difficulty breathing or one of your
limbs is numb) then to the body you will return.  many say there is a silver
cord that connects the second body to the physical, and when it is time to go
back, your conscious mind might not have any say in the matter, even if you
want to stay out.
 
> 	Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> 	RIK 

be patient with it, though.  it might take longer than you expect.  (then
again, it might not =)

Jude 
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From: bryan@uhura1.uucp (Bryan Curnutt)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.config,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:30:15 GMT
Reply-To: bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Stoner Associates, Inc./DREM Incorporated, Houston Texas

sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>
>  The existing alt.paranormal is quite adequate for this
>topic.

I *strongly* disagree.  The existing alt.paranormal is not used for
sharing experiences and advice, as the alt.[obe|oobe|out-of-body]
group is intended to be used; instead, it is used for endless bickering,
sniping, and trading derogatory comments.

I think the new group will be useless if it falls under the
alt.paranormal hierarchy.
-- 
Any opinions above are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of SAI.

Bryan Curnutt                   | "I hope that UNIX is more like my diner
bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net       |  than like McDonald's." -- Doug McIlroy
From: e340rep@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dream Recall
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:02:22 GMT
Reply-To: e340rep@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: IUCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4


     Hi there.  I'm interested in dreams and interpretation, but I have the 
problem of not being able to recall my dreams.  I've read the book "The
Dream Game" and I've tried the suggested techniques, but alas my efforts
are in vain.  Please inform of the validity of this book (if you are 
familiar with it) or make suggestions, I'm open to anything.  
                                                  Tony
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: dreaming about certain rooms
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:53:49 GMT
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia

cmocmp@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>The significance of dreaming about certain rooms? I've often been having
>recurring dreams that involve me walking around a building filled with bedrooms
>and bathrooms. During the dream, I feel as if I'm supposed to select a certain
>bedroom for myself, although it seems as though I'm looking at bathrooms just
>for fun. This is not a habit of mine, so I immediately rule out that theory.

  Perhaps the rooms represent choices about the future that you are faced with,
and the dream is just your way of sampling the choices in advance before you
actually encounter them in real life?
  How detailed are the rooms that you see in these dreams?  Are you writing
down what each room looks like?  If you did, perhaps you might be able to see
correlations between each room and actual choices that you know you face at the
moment.  Just a thought.

>The significance of being shot or attacked in a dream? I've been shot during
>dreams many times, and am sure I've died. It's pretty unnerving, and when I
>tell my friends about it, they think it's pretty morbid.

  Hmmm.  Maybe you feel that you are been "attacked" by something in real life
(not literally, mind you, but metaphorically).  Some course of events that seem
to be getting in your way?

  Ultimately, in order to understand the dreams you are having, you need to
take the ideas and concepts of those dreams and try to transpose them onto
events in your waking life.  Initially don't worry too much about what each
element of the dream symbolises, but first try to match the theme and plot to
something in your life, then see how the objects in the dreams match up with
objects/events/ideas in your life.  That's about all I can suggest!

Philip Stephens
Labtam Australia Pty Ltd
philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Subject: Breathing underwater
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:21:52 GMT

I am new to reading alt.dreams. I have had this dream where I am able to 
breath underwater. It was a weird feeling. It felt soo real. When I woke 
up I was dissappointed that it wasn't real. I was wondering if anyone else 
has had this kind of dream too. Also, if someone could tell me if it means 
anything specific.

-Laura

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams,sci.skeptic
From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Dream/Reality
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:56:54 GMT


I subscribe to both these groups, and I felt that maybe you each had
something to aid the other.

For example: the sci.skeptics have been discussing whether OBE's really
happen, while the alt.dreamers have been discussing ways to induce them. 
Word of warning, though, skeptics have this tendency to pounce on anybody
who professes beliefs outside of "mainstream science."  I suggest that you
skeptics who intend to do any pouncing, (actually, me too!) TRY the
suggestions before you say "that's ridiculous." (SP?)

But that's just a side issue.  I was reading one of the sci.skeptic posts
where someone was refuting someone else's claim that it was easy to tell
dream from reality.  (I didn't read the names)  Anyway, the refuter
mentioned that he often had dreams where he would get up, dress, eat, go
to work, and *then* wake up.  (Usually saying something along the lines of
"Oh, man, I gotta do that *again?*")  Sometimes these dreams would get
three levels deep.

I, personally, have had dreams like that, except my dreams sometimes were
about stuff I didn't have to do that day.  ("Oh, just a dream, good
deal.")  I have also experienced the opposite phenomenon, where I am awake
but it feels like I'm dreaming.  Usually I either have just woken up or
have been sitting down giving rapt attention to a fiction book I was
reading.  Then I stand up.  My blood mass stays at it's previous level,
though, so my brain doesn't get enough oxygen and I'm convinced I'm
dreaming (or that what I'm experiencing is *not* reality)  Then my
cardiovascular system picks up and I suddenly realize that where I am *is*
real. ("Oh, man...")

Questions, Comments, Guffaws?

Big Al.  "What, this is REAL?"
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