From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Space: The Final Frontier
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:31:09 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <-1364591864snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>
>This is lengthy, people, so if you want to get on with something far
>more edifying please do.
>
>In article <gate.mTRuTB1w165w@pil.UUCP> alizard@pil.UUCP writes:
>
> > Why is it senseless? What makes my previous post senseless? All
> > I've seen from you in contradiction of my previous statement is
> > some non-responsive bullshit about my emotional state.
>
>There doesn't have to be any reason for me to exclaim that something
>is senseless. If I want to say it purely at whim, it's done . . .
<chomp>
>What I am doing here on the Internet, right now typing all this stupid
>shit to you, is merely beta-testing software on the one hand, and
>mapping conflict patterns among users toward advising new users on
>the other. No, you are not *only* guinea pigs because I do enjoy our
>exchanges. *SOME* of you are very nice people, but there the matter
>essentially lies.
<snip>
>Who gives a shit? What we live by is what is available now, not what
>was available yesterday or might be available tomorrow. All you
>creative, greedy people can just piss off without worrying us one way
>or another about we will fare in your absence.
>
> > As for Russian aid vs. aid to other Third World countries, it isn't their
> > availablily of missile launchers, it is the thousands of nuclear warheads
> > that fit them that worries the US. Quite properly, your viewpoint is colored
> > by the fact that you don't live on ground zero. Staying alive is a first
> > priority in all cultures I ever heard of.
>
>Perhaps, but few are stupid enough to have created the very threat to
>their own staying alive all by themselves. You are as silly as a 20c
>watch with a Mickey Mouse on the dial.
Oh. You mean like the civilizations that have gone under in the past, like the
Romans with their lead plumbing, or the overfarming of North Africa, that is
now desert? Silly?
<snip>
> > You may not care, but your guinea pigs have to whether they know it or not,
> > how well the industrial complex works defines what prices they pay when they
> > buy from the First World. If scarcities of critical raw materials raise
> > prices on goods, your research subjects will be the first priced out of the
> > market. It might be Keflin (a broad spectrum antibiotic), not the latest
> > 486-66 DOS clone that your people find themselves unable to get. Conversely,
> > if average prices for technological products drop, your research subjects
> > will be able to afford more of what they want or need from us.
>
>No, they don't have to even think about such matters so important to
>you, and neither do I. It is *never* our problem what prices you want
>to charge for whatever you produce, but yours. As I am endeavouring to
>get it through your thick skull, American carpet baggers flogging
>gadgets are a dime a dozen. If you all disappear, then we just go back
>to using whatever we do have available. Our lives do not swing around
>your critical raw materials; in fact the most vociferous campaigns we
>are engaged in are to leave them right there in the ground and let the
>people have their sacred places back.
>
> > >Or are you another of these Sci-Fi Dweeb Wizards, or something?
> > >
> > >Fucking mindless deadshit.
> >  
> > Your name calling is an admission to the entire newsgroup that you ran out
> > of ideas several minutes ago. Of course, your admission was unnecessary, we
> > already read your post.
> >  
> > You seem to take your lack of familiarity with how a technological
> > civilization really works and how that working affects Third World cultures
> > as a sign of spiritual superiority. I take it as simple ignorance that isn't
> > worth glorifying. Maybe you should look up George Bush and share your
> > respective ignorance. He might treat it with more respect than I do.
>
>I DON'T GIVE A SHIT HOW A TECHNOLOGICAL CIVILISATION WORKS! I MAKE NO
>CLAIM TO SUPERIORITY IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM, ONLY BEING A LARRIKIN
>CONVICT BLOODY OCKER, MATE, AND I SUGGEST YOU ARE HERE SUFFERING A
>MONUMENTAL FUCKING INFERIORITY COMPLEX!
>
>I REPEAT:
>
>OR ARE YOU ANOTHER OF THESE SCH-FI DWEEB WIZARDS, OR SOMETHING?
>
>FUCKING MINDLESS DEADSHIT.
>
>                DID YOU HEAR PROPERLY THAT TIME?
>
We all heard you make a fool of yourself (including mispellings). Since you say,
above, that you are just beta-testing software, this seems to confirm what
I suggested on another post, concerning your actual (lack) of interest in
dialogue here, and rather your interest in game-playing. 

Actually, given that comment, I begin to wonder whether there is only one
"Gil" posting, given the varying responses that have a wider range than a
typical manic-depressive. My current suspicion is that there is > 1 person
here, and one of them considers those on this newsgroup a buncha "eccentrics"
(British term for crazies with some money (those without are just "mad"),
while another at least *seems* to talk to us, but is afraid of being considered
off the wall by their (my entry in the generic pronoun contest) co-workers.

So folks, I guess we read the interesting ones posted by "Gil", and ignore
the ones the "ugly Australian" posts.

	mark