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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: HYPNOTISM:  Working Techniques?
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: 00mddwyer@bsu-ucs.uucp

In article <1992Oct6.114709.10136@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00mddwyer@bsu-ucs writes:
>Hypnotism has always been scrutinised by critics, and it doesn't work on
>most people very well.

What in the world does this mean?  That the critics were lousy hypnotists?

The hypnotic state is quite natural.  Have you ever been in an utterly
boring lecture that you could not distract yourself from, or have a
boss drone on and on and on regarding something you prefer to ignore?
Odds are good that you went into a limited trance, shutting down some
of the more active parts of your mind.  The same thing happens when
driving long hours on the freeway without someone or something to
listen to in a distracting sort of way.

>Is there anyone here that could post different methods of hypnosis, the
>techniques to do them, and how well they work?

Read the books by and about Milton Erickson.  He was the master.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:00:26 GMT

Chris Malcolm writes:
 > In article <BvM75v.AEF@eis.calstate.edu> wstein@eis.calstate.edu (William K. Stein) writes:
 > >rob@apache.dtcc.edu (Rob Jarman) writes:
 > 
 > >> I'm looking for information or references on human intelligence vs.
 > >> machine intelligence for a research paper. Could any of you help?
 > 
 > >  Read Penrose's,  "The Emporer's New Mind".  All the rest is nonesense.
 > 
 > In "The Mind's I" by Hofstadter and Dennet you will find many
 > interesting essays on this topic, including Turing's famous "Computing
 > Machinery and Intelligence" paper, one of the first, and still one of
 > the best, ever written on this topic. You will find a number of papers
 > written by both experts in artificial intelligence, and serious
 > critics of aritificla intelligence, in "Mind Design" by John
 > Haugeland.
 > 
 > Penrose, although a famous physicist, can't be counted as an expert in
 > this field.
 > [....]

(Roger) Penose trained in projective geometry (pure mathematics). He
applied his ideas into the field of applied mathematics (theoretical
physics) and invented twistor theory for application in General
Relativity.

When I spoke to him a few years ago (after he gave a talk on "TENM"),
he was *not* aware of non-deterministic methods lilke simulated
annealing and genetic algorithms.

I am sure that his aware of these now.

Gordon.
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Internet: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk        UUCP: ...!{uunet,uknet}!ucl-cs!G.Joly
Computer Science, University College London, Gower Street, LONDON WC1E 6BT
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman)
Subject: NEW ADDITION FOR THE DSM
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:45:04 GMT

I humbly submit a new addition to the DSM-IV:
	Ground-Bound Stress Syndrome
It is experienced by pilots suffering withdrawal from flying. I 
am available as a case study if anyone is interested in this
ground-breaking field! :-)
				Sharon
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Typeface choice / perception
Keywords: Typefaces, fonts perception, copyright
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:47:05 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

Okay, maybe this isn't quite on target for psychology, but because it might 
be considered a perception question, it's at least borderline, so I'll take a 
longshot.

Short version of My Question:  What governs a company's choice of using one 
typeface over another?  Is it primarily that one typeface is more readable 
than another, or is it that one typeface is more attractive than another.

Why do I ask?

I'm in the process of writing an article about copyrightability of fonts and 
typefaces for publication in a professional law journal.  One of the critical 
distinctions in making a thing copyrightable is its expressive element, as 
opposed to its functional capabilities.  Much of the opposition to copyright 
for fonts and typefaces is that they are utilitarian objects, not works or 
expression. 

I would like to be able to deal with this distinction based on some research 
studies, if any exist.

Are you aware of any sources that describe any research into whether a choice 
of typeface is primarily a utilitarian consideration (e.g., typeface x is a 
better choice of typeface because expiriments show that it aids readability) 
or if it is primarily an aesthetic consideration (e.g., typeface x is a 
better choice of typeface because it's nicer looking)?

I'm particularly interested in any published studies to which I can cite.  
Any help is appreciated, either by email or posted here.

Terry Carroll

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: gdg023@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Vicky Wayman)
Subject: Duality
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:33:05 GMT

Do any of you americans have a comic fan for a professor
Im looking for a psychological analysis of Batman
Any volunteers?
Thanks in advance. Please Email responses.
-- 
 _         |      Vicky Wayman - gdg023@cck.cov.ac.uk
' )  /     |
 (  / o _. |
  \/ <_(__ |
From: lgeller@igc.apc.org (Larry Geller)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Mindell Coma Workshop
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:44:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1468800003:000:1092
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgeller    Oct 11 21:44:00 1992


What:  Mindell Coma Workshop

When:  Friday - Sunday October 30 - November 1 1992

Where: Bellevue Conference Center, 505 106th Ave. N.E., Bellevue, 
Washington

Info:  (206) 325-6787

Cost:  Friday only:                        $ 25
       Entire workshop (including Friday): $150
       Book only                           $ 12   (plus applicable tax)


From the brochure:

This workshop will provide health-care providers with methods for 
unfolding the incomprehensible appearance and purpose of comatose 
states.  Workshop participants will be made aware of the special 
events that are experienced near death.

Participants will be taught to recognize and work with the subtle 
messages provided by comatose patients.  Methods will be 
demonstrated to help caregivers understand the communications of 
the dying.

The foundations of this workshop are based in the powerful, 
dramatic and meaningful events which unfold in comatose states.

Designed for healthcare personnel interested in communicating 
with persons in coma, and in assisting comatose patients to 
complete their work.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Psychology (not unlike whatever we were talking about)
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:08:32 GMT

Gary Murphy writes:
>> if psychology is worth anything, psychologists should be saying to
>> B&G "Very nice observation! Ingenious apparatus!  Can you try this
>> here? My bet is it won't work in this case
> And should they be saying this to the phrenologists, too?

> I guess I am misunderstanding the question, or I don't know enough of
> what phrenologists do.

Phrenology was a pop movement early in this century.  It had trappings
of science, medicine, and academic standing.  People took it
seriously.  It consisted of feeling and looking at bumps on heads, all
right.  From them, and his plentiful stock of phrases, the
phrenologist would report on mental abilities, emotional tendencies,
traits, proclivities, talents, and so on.  The reports were neither
reliable nor valid.  This had little effect on phrenology's popularity
or commercial success, which were quite good in its day.

Phrenology was hardly unique.  History shows us a large number and
delightful variety of worthless assessment, diagnosis, counseling,
treatment, and self improvement methods.  They spring up all over,
some become popular, some stay popular, some don't.  Phrenology is
handy because it didn't.  Thus without controversy we can ask: should
its claims be taken seriously?  Do academics have a responsibility to
study them?  To disprove them?  If so, why?

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: crista@fraser.sfu.ca (Crista Dana Jones)
Subject: currently used creativity tests
Keywords: creativity test
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:46:06 GMT

I am looking for a couple of currently used creativity tests for my psychology 
term paper.  Any names of tests or information about them would be of much
help.  Thanks.

Crista Jones
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: mccla_d@aethelbehrt.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: Subjective Dream Time
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: sci.psychology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:46:08 GMT

mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu says:

> A friend of mine is in an intro to psychology class, and their professor
> asked a question on an exam which read something to the effect of: "Dreams
> in real time, are of the same duration as they appear subjectively to be;
> true or false?".

A few experiments have shown that sleeping people will dream things related to
events outside in the same order as they occur and with roughly the same
duration. Others report that external stimuli can be reported as affecting a 
dream out of sequence from their actual occurence. People report dream that
cover hours of subjective time, but people only dream for a few minutes
usually, and up to maybe 30 minutes in rare instances.

I would says it *could* happen, but generally doesn't; not enough to make a 
generalization for a test question answered 'true'.

Not too awful many years ago, we had the same question in a personality 
theories class, and it was 'false' then.
From: exudeb@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Breeding, xt-dGR,)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: More NLP Info Wanted
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:29:27 GMT
Reply-To: exudeb@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 821@almaden.ibm.com, HANKINS@PKEDVM8.VNET.IBM.COM () writes:
>I recently read a book on autohypnosis and it recommended as a signaling
>technique to communicate with the (alleged) subconscious mind - a
>pendulum.
>
Was the book Leslie LeCron, _Self-hypnosis..._?  (signal for "yes"  :-)

>What one does is to rest one's elbow on a surface with forearm nearly
>vertical, allow hand to drop, and dangle the pendulum from thumb and
>forefinger.
>
>One should consciously try to hold the bob still.  Thus any swinging of
>the bob would allegedly come from the subconscious.
>
>There would then be four signals: north-south swings, east-west swings,
>clockwise and counterclockwise.  One would ask the subconscious what
>each of the signals means ('yes', 'no', 'I don't know', 'I would rather
>not answer that').
>
>My question is this:  Is this a reasonable alternative to the signals
>I've read about in NLP books which discuss six-step reframing?
>
>I've been getting good results with it for autohypnosis, and it has
>the advantage that the signals are unmistakable; I'm really trying to
>hold the bob still, and when that sucker swings it does so
>unmistakably.

Yes, it is a good alternative, whether working with yourself or others. 
>
>
>Dan Hankins
>hankins@pkedvm8.vnet.ibm.com
>dan-hankins@cup.portal.com
>
>Information transmission is distorted in proportion to the sender's fear
>of the receiver.

Dave
From: REGHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Psychology careers
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:26:56 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

What type of careers are there for psychology  majors with a B.A. degree?
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Mindell Coma Workshop
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:34:26 GMT

> participants will be made aware of the special 
> events that are experienced near death.

Should we ask how?

Perhaps the patented "frayed bungee cord" technique?

 :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

-- Jon
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Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: K.M.Mill@psychiatry.utas.edu.au (Kathryn Mill)
Subject: Turner's syndrome
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:36:33 GMT

I am currently conducting a Ph.D on the psychological implications of Turner's
syndrome, through the Royal Hobart Hospital Department of Psychiatry Clinical  in 
School, in conjunction with the University of Tasmania, Hobart, Australia. 
I would be very interested to hear from anybody who has an interest in this
area, and who may have some information.  I would like to have someone that I 
could share ideas with.  Looking forward to hearing from anyone with an
interest in Turner's syndrome.  Thanks.

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Psychology (not unlike Re: NLP and what the .... etc.
Keywords: science sense nonsense sixth-sense psychology astronomy
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:39:58 GMT

Pat Healey writes:
> According to Popperian models of empirical science you can only
> falsify claims, not prove them. While this obviously doesn't amount
> to believing anything people say it does carry the implication that
> we must `believe' all (testable) hypotheses unless/until they are
> falsified. Consequently some of the burden of proof does fall on the
> skeptic.

This will certainly come as a shock to the net, but there is a
third option: we can neither believe nor disbelieve a claim.
It's a calm position and appropriate when facts are lacking.
It shifts no burden of proof.  The skeptic has no obligation to
disprove things either to disbelieve them or not to believe them.

Indeed, if you disbelieve anything not proven, you aren't a
skeptic, you're simply an opponent.  You and the proponent do
share the burden of proof (or repeated failure to disprove,
following Popper).  The skeptic is entitled to doubt you both.

Returning to the specific, it's certainly possible that NLP is
doing lots of good for lots of people.  But we are entitled to
doubt that.  We're also entitled to doubt the claim it's never
done anything for anyone.  The interesting claim is that it
does some things better than existing methods, reliably across
subjects and practitioners.

-- Jon
From: tg0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Terilyn Gillespie)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: HYPNOTISM: Working Techniques?
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:48:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8epMr_a00VQk81hH4r
	<1992Oct9.004139.7740@lsil.com>
Organization: Editing, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.sci.psychology: 9-Oct-92 Re: HYPNOTISM: Working
Tec.. Jeff Spiegel 4291@lsil.c (2142)

> The basic steps to hypnosis are to:

> 1. Find a quiet place to relax in a sitting or reclining position, but not
>    flat on the back.
.....
(Rest deleted for brevity)

Aside from the step of providing suggestions to improve your life, how
(is?)  is this approach different from meditation?

Terilyn Gillespie
tg0r@andrew.cmu.edu
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Grad programs....
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:19:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Thus spake heff@apollo.hp.com: 

>
>I'm attempting to generate a list of schools with graduate programs
>in psychology to apply to.  I've looked in books such as Peterson's
>guides to graduate programs, but it is difficult to find out the specific
>information that I'm looking for in those types of books.
>

	The APA publishes an excellent "Guide to Graduate Education in
Psychology" [approximate title - I haven't looked at one in years] which
provides all the information you are looking for - as well as admission
criteria, etc. The book should be available in any decent academic library.
If not, write to:

	APA Order Department
	1400 North Uhle Street
	Arlington, VA 22201

	For information and pricing.

	If you plan to enter a traditional program in psychology, the book
is a =must= read.


-- 

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      over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to
      prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is
      not a sufficient warrant.                         John Stuart Mill
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: HYPNOTISM: Working Techniques?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:59:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.194716.25484@lsil.com> jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff
Spiegel 4291) writes:

   This is a good question.  It would probably make a good Ph'd
   thesis.  Hypnosis involves a release of self-control to an external
   source.

For Pete's sake.  I defy you to back this up with a single
characterization that implies this by a practicing clinician or
researcher in the field.  This is a totally bogus characterization of
the hypnotic state.

Now, one of the characteristics that is often cited is automatism, and
perceived non-volition.  Neither of these imply a "release of
self-control to an external source".  Such phrases add to the
generally mistaken impression of hypnosis, and keep a lot of people
from taking advantage of this technique for improvement.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: heff@apollo.hp.com
Subject: Grad programs....
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: heff@apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories


I'm attempting to generate a list of schools with graduate programs
in psychology to apply to.  I've looked in books such as Peterson's
guides to graduate programs, but it is difficult to find out the specific
information that I'm looking for in those types of books.

Specifically, I'm looking for programs that would allow me to work
toward an advanced degree in psychology (with an emphasis on counseling
or social psychology), along with an opportunity for exposure (through
faculty, projects, or coursework) to feminist theory, the dynamics and 
interplay of psychology and religion, and other types of progressive 
sociological themes.

Any information/recommendations would be appreciated; posted or emailed.


Thanks much,


Jeff Oesterle

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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: ffhoust@eos.ncsu.edu (FORREST FRANCI HOUSTON)
Subject: Re: Political psychology
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.022236.17928@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Christina.Ryan@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Christina Ryan) writes:
|> 
|> --
|>    The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
|>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
|>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
|>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

This leaves a lot of room open for interpretation :-)

Sorry it's late and I've been here too long
From: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Psychology (not unlike whatever we were talking about)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:24:26 GMT
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In-reply-to: jpk@Ingres.COM's message of 8 Oct 92 03:08:32 GMT


Thanks to Jon for clarifying phrenology, as this was not unlike what I
had supposed from the mass-media-version, and I think the case I
presented still stands: given his statement:

   The reports were neither reliable nor valid.  This had little effect
   on phrenology's popularity or commercial success, which were quite
   good in its day. 

It is then moot to ask if it should be studied, because the above
implies it was studied.

   Phrenology was hardly unique.  History shows us a large number and
   delightful variety of worthless assessment, diagnosis, counseling,
   treatment, and self improvement methods.  They spring up all over,
   some become popular, some stay popular, some don't.  Phrenology is
   handy because it didn't.  Thus without controversy we can ask: should
   its claims be taken seriously?  Do academics have a responsibility to
   study them?  To disprove them?  If so, why?

Considering the overwhelming academic and clinical evidence discrediting
the 'talking-cure' and the continued success of the industry in spite of
this evidence, in spite of known-effective methods, in spite of their
own measure of its futility (except to line therapists' pockets), I
would have to say, no, there is no point.  The 'reason' people consume
phrenology as with psychotherapy is because they _want_ to be there, and
no amount of reason will stop them.  P.T.Barnum knew that, Bradshaw
knows it too.  Academic criticism is aimed at the wrong audience.  It is
like the Nuclear-Free-Zone demonstration in Kew Beach Park in Toronto
where I walked by to hear some protest singers imploring me to disarm; I
assured a friend I planned to turn all my nukes in by the weekend.

As for NLP, yes, by all means study it. Unlike phrenology, it has
not been studied, so it is a frontier ripe for papers.  Unlike
phrenology, NLP presents no new approach, only observations on prior
methods and a demonstration of their 'model' of what they observed
through being able, alledgedly, to effect change consistently by
exploiting knowledge gained from the model.  Besides, we already _know_
academics spent effort to discredit phrenology, so why 'spare' NLP?

--
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