HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: daniels@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel R. Sawyer)
Subject: SCUDs and All that
Summary: Scuds and Military
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:34:53 GMT
Keywords: Scuds and military power in ASEAN

Well, this discussion came along farther than I thought it would when I
replied to the original post.

The only thing SCUDs or any other ballistic missile is good for is offensive
operations.  Usually very inaccurate as well, although one could hit any city
it was aimed at.  The Soviets designed them decades ago to carry nuclear and
chemical warheads.

I don't think Indonesia, or any other ASEAN country has a serious need for
offensive weaponry, or for that matter, nuclear or chemical weapons.

(And I am certainly NOT being a bad American: We can have them, but you
cant't because we say so!)

If Indonesia wants to purchase any missiles, and especially if they want to
further improve on the missile's design, then they should go to Egypt,
Argentina, Iran or the ex-soviet republics.

Egypt was working on a missile project with Iraq a few years ago, the Badr
2000.  They also had some cooperation with Argentina who was in a very minor
arms race vs. Brazil.

Iran has actually used the things, and reportedly is now producing them on 
their own and making refinements.

Cooperation in getting nuclear warheads would require the help of Pakistan, 
Iran or the ex-soviet republics.  Supposedly Iran has gotten hold of a few
tactical nuclear weapons (hiroshima sized) from one of the Islamic Republics
in Central Asia.

Great conversation, 

Daniel at University of Illinois USA
-- 
Daniel R. Sawyer
daniel-sawyer@uiuc.edu

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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:25:09 GMT

One way to find out where to get the cheapest fares is to 
call the airline and ask them for a list of consolidators
they use. The consolidators usually have some of the 
cheapest fares around.
-- 

Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
From: limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:39:35 GMT
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong) writes:
: 
: In the UK, you can get away with receiving a PhD without ever having to
: take a single course beyond the undergraduate level (in some places at
: least), whereas in the US every MS/PhD student takes several graduate
: courses before getting their degrees (many places have strict course
: requirements).
: 

incorrect. in usa univs, you are required to have a certain 
number of credits before getting the phd degree. but you
do not need to attend any courses to earn those credits.
it is sufficient to take research credits where you basically
do your own work/research.

: Virtually all PhD programs in the US require students to pass a
: "qualifying exam". This is a comprehensive exam on the student's area
: of specialization, typically at an advanced level. Preparation for
: this exam is usually much more intensive than any undergraduate exam.

i really don't think a british univ needs this thing (at least
for computing science). i think someone with a 2nd upper honours 
in computing from uk can quite comfortably pass a typical qualifier. 

                         -Limsoon Wong.
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: (HongKong+PRC) vs S'pore
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:53:18 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

raju@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daryanani) writes:

>In <1992Sep2.202036.27304@menudo.uh.edu> esl_manager@uh.edu writes:

>>... If everything goes on as it is now, HK is going to be
>>ahead of the rest of the Pacific Tigers (S. Korea, Taiwan & S'pore) by a
>>wide margin. These are but viewpoints that I have read in the west.

>But there's a difference in the direction that their development is taking.  
>HK has been losing its manufacturing base quite rapidly over the last few 
>years.  Practically every manufacturing company that my former employers (a 
>big-size firm of accountants) audited had moved at least part of their 
>manufacturing operations into China.  
Yes, it is true that the great majority of manufacturing is now done on the
border of China and Hong Kong but the important thing to note here is
that the power and the expertise of manufacturing, even though it is done
by low cost labor in China, remains in the hands of the HK people.  Did HK
lose the manufacturing power?  For the blue collar people, yes.  For the
white collar, No. 

-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
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From: C580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Albert Foo)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:49:36 CDT

 
On 25 Aug 1992 11:43:53 -0700 K.C.Goh said:
>Questions:
>How does one translate the UK class of honours system to the US GPA
>system? Does 1st Class = 3.8, 2nd Class U = 3.2, 2nd class L = 2.8
>etc sound right ?
>
Hmm... That depends on the universities/colleges grades system. Over at
MIZZOU (University of Missouri) a 3.90 would be a "Summa Cum Laude",
3.80 - "Magna Cum Laude", and 3.75 - "Cum Laude".  I guess that should
translate into the UK class of honors ie. 1st. Class, 2nd. Class Upper,
and 2nd. Class Lower.
 
Any comments?
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Everybody is a sexist (was Re: Chopstick-cu-ge-ci-fe)
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:58:19 GMT

u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno):
> And you, my dear reader, thought you were a liberated - dare I say
> it - man.  Hah!

ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf):
> I can accept your comment that MANY people may think in the way you
> describe, but EVERYONE ! I think not.  Even if the majority of people
> think about offspring that way, you would still be guilty of offending
> a great many people by stating that "Everybody" is sexist.


Ok, then let she who's not sexist speaks.

	Why even God is sexist!


-Num
From: jesskong@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Blessed One)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Merdeka
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:15:46 GMT
Reply-To: jesskong@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Blessed One)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: jesskong@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu


	

		Selamat Belated Hari Merdeka!!!

                 __________________________
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					Jessie--The Patriot
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Do not overgeneralize
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:25:13 GMT

In article <ges.28.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:

    .....
|
|>        By the way, the term "chinaman" is loaded with negative connotations.
|>Chinese is a much less offensive term.
|
|I did not mean it a negative sense so I suggest you don't take it as such. 
|Very often (in my exprience) one chinese has refered to another chinese as 
|chinaman. I can't understand what's so offensive about it. It is a common 
|term and I feel quite comfortable with it.

Obviously you have been having some very strange experiences.


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
From: khoo@crayon.icsl.ucla.edu (Mr. Cool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:29:23 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong) writes:
>echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong) writes:
>: 
>: In the UK, you can get away with receiving a PhD without ever having to
>: take a single course beyond the undergraduate level (in some places at
>: least), whereas in the US every MS/PhD student takes several graduate
>: courses before getting their degrees (many places have strict course
>: requirements).
>
>incorrect. in usa univs, you are required to have a certain 
>number of credits before getting the phd degree. but you
>do not need to attend any courses to earn those credits.
>it is sufficient to take research credits where you basically
>do your own work/research.
>

Could you please name some schools where what you said is true,
since I have great doubt about your assertion.  Research credits are often
used when one has completed his coursework but not sufficient by
themselves to complete a PhD.  Ofcourse, one may choose to complete
all his requirements for PhD while he is working for his Master degree
but that is quite different from what you claimed.  Lastly, I am speaking
of the engineering school, which may differ from other schools.

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Kei-Yong Khoo      University of California, Los Angeles          |
|  khoo@cs.ucla.edu   VLSI CAD Lab., Computer Science Dept.          |
|  khoo@icsl.ucla.edu Integrated Circuits and Systems Lab, EE Dept.  |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: zaidin@castor.cs.uga.edu (Zaimi Zaidin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Addresses of Newspaper companies in Malaysia
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:03:44 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Originator: zaidin@castor


Anyboby knows the addresses of newspaper companies in Malaysia such as
NST, Utusan Malaysia, and Star?

Thanx.
From: echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:52:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <l9no2bINN9ad@nyquist.usc.edu> goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>Fact: 	
>One usually takes at least three to four years after the
>MSc to graduate with a PhD in the US.  Can Edwin confirm that this is also
>the case in Purdue?  How about the people in MIT?

Yes, I have found that this is typically the case (although of course there
are exceptions). It also depends on the type of research.

>Fact:  
>[stuff deleted]
>The students are expected to demonstrate their ability to do research by
>presenting their work in conferences and journals.

Exactly. 

>Fact:
>A typical PhD course in the US includes about 1/3 cousework which
>provides the basics for the 2/3 independent research leading up to
>a dissertation.  For a EE Systems type PhDs the cousework usually 
>and necessarily include Masters level Mathematics courses, eg Real 
>Analysis and Operator Theory.  Personally speaking, I find that 
>advanced courses are a tremendous help for getting one up to the 
>standard required to make real contributions to the latest research.

This is where the difference between the two systems (UK
and US) lies. It is very difficult to learn something like Real
Analysis and Operator Theory on your own (unless you are extremely
disciplined). An undergrad in EE usually never studies "pure math"
type courses like these. This may be one reason why I have the
impression that PhD research in the US can get more theoretical than
in the UK (but of course there are exceptions).

Regards,

Ed Chong
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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:53:15 GMT

In article <1asgqB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong) writes:

> I disagree that the APPOINTMENTS ads on Sat in the Straits Times serves 
> as a gauge of the current job market, If one reads it with more scrutiny, 
> one will find that 75 - 80% of the jobs advertised are for middle to 
> senior management positions! While there does not exist a job meter, 
> maybe asking one's friends who are fresh graduates would yield a more 
> accurate picture. I had a friend who recently applied for a cadet officer 
> position in one of the Big 4 Banks, and she found out that 1300+ 
> applications were received by fresh graduates.

Traditionally, the Big 4 Banks take in lots of fresh graduates (both local and
foreign).  I think one should also look at the jobs that are looking for
people with experience.  In that sense, I like to add that the job market
in the financial services sector is at one of the worst positions.  If you
look closely at the appointments (and I have been keeping tabs), you will
find that the demand is very low.  Many of the ads are looking for people
in the credit/marketing line.  Reason?  An experience officer can bring
his/her customers along to the new bank.  As such, banks are ALWAYS looking
for credit/marketing officers.  But if you speak to some of them, you will
find that demand for them has also dropped.  Many are unable to move to
a different bank, despite the fact that they are unhappy with their present
position.

#----------------------------------#-------------------------------------------#
|  W.H.Watt                        #  JANET:                                   |
|  Dept. of Accounting & Finance   #           w.h.watt@uk.ac.strath.vaxa      |
|  University of Strathclyde       #  Rest of the World:                       |
|  Glasgow                         #           w.h.watt@vaxa.strath.ac.uk      |
|  United Kingdom                  #                                           |
#----------------------------------#-------------------------------------------#

P.S.   Abbreviations for the Big Four:

       DBS  :  Damn Bloody Slow
       OCBC :  Ai See Buay See  (in Hokkien)
       UOB  :  Underpaid and Overworked Bank
       OUB  :  Overworked and Underpaid Bank.

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From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:04:54 GMT

In article <64762@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
>
>>By the way, isn't Korean Airlines the same company that had their 747
>>they said "No!  That was Korean Air.  This is Korean Airlines" or
>>something like that.
>
>Actually KAL has the dubious distiction of being shot down twice
>by the Soviet Union. The first was a Boeing 707 in the late 70's
>(around 1978), and the other the infamous 747. It has also had
>a plane bombed on the way back from Tripoli.

Check out today's Chicago Tribune. There is an article called
what happened on Air China 173. In the front page.
Very interesting. It shows how bad reputation the Air China has.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:30:42 GMT

In article <1asgqB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong) writes:
> 
> eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hey, we are a market economy, the government don't really have all the
> > data about the job market. I think a good gauge of market conditions is
> > to keep track of the number of appointment ads on Sat in the Straits
> > Times. Currently, there is still quite a number of jobs available.
> > 	As to Singapore becoming a melting pot, well, there is presently
> > conscious effort to ensure that the major communitites in Singapore keep
> > their own ethnic identities. I don't think Singapore will become a
> > melting pot in the near future, at least the government don't want it
> > that way.
> 
> I disagree that the APPOINTMENTS ads on Sat in the Straits Times serves 
> as a gauge of the current job market, If one reads it with more scrutiny, 
> one will find that 75 - 80% of the jobs advertised are for middle to 
> senior management positions! While there does not exist a job meter, 
> maybe asking one's friends who are fresh graduates would yield a more 
> accurate picture. I had a friend who recently applied for a cadet officer 
> position in one of the Big 4 Banks, and she found out that 1300+ 
> applications were received by fresh graduates.
> 
> Let us all try and be a little more discerning.
> 
> v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
> Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

While I agree that we should all try to be more discerning, I am suspicious
of that 1300+ applications from fresh grads. That high figure could probably
be due to the fact that a large number of young workers in Singapore
job-hop routinely in search of higher pay and 'THE JOB' in which they would
finally 'settle'.

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: raju@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daryanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: (HongKong+PRC) vs S'pore
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:23:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Sep2.202036.27304@menudo.uh.edu> esl_manager@uh.edu writes:

>... If everything goes on as it is now, HK is going to be
>ahead of the rest of the Pacific Tigers (S. Korea, Taiwan & S'pore) by a
>wide margin. These are but viewpoints that I have read in the west.

But there's a difference in the direction that their development is taking.  
HK has been losing its manufacturing base quite rapidly over the last few 
years.  Practically every manufacturing company that my former employers (a 
big-size firm of accountants) audited had moved at least part of their 
manufacturing operations into China.  The other 3 tigers meanwhile are 
concentrating on high-tech manufacturing.  I can't say which direction in 
better, but HK can't move in the same direction as the others.

Raju
--
Raju M. Daryanani
raju@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:36:25 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

clipper@gleep.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung) writes:
: 
: Probably. But the list of books I had to read to prepare for my

I had to read a lot of books to prepare for my BSc exam in UK. The answers
do not come from one text book. It can come from any text book or even
research papers.

: comprehensive exams was certainly very long and comprehensive. And I
: doubt too many Students from Hong Kong can answer the question
: ``Describe your original ideas to triangulate a simple polygon''
: paraphrasing from my advanced graphics exam. The alternate question
: in the exam was ``extend the Bresenham algorithm to three
: dimensions''. Both were research questions.

These are fair BSc exam questions in UK, at least in 1981 at my City University.

For example, in 30 minutes design a microprocessor and explain its functions
in solving a "particular problem".

I ended up inventing opcodes and explaining about pipelining within that time
even when pipelining has not been implemented in microprocessors yet.

Remember that this is only a BSc, not PhD.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:31:10 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:
: Fact:
: The typical breakdown in EE in Cambridge is aprroximately
: 25% 1st Class Honours.  The proportion is usually much lower for other
: departments.
This contradicts my experience with the results of the Cambridge tripos 
results in 1981, publish in English newspapers in London.

Also the comment that Prince Edward "only" got a 2nd class lower honours,
maybe because he is a royal family. 
To get 2nd class lower is like failing in Cambridge.

Maybe the standards had dropped now because they allow GCE A level results
to be considered for qualification requirement. They used to ask for a
qualifying examination.

When did you get this fact and from where?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Barter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: ASEAN Cities
Summary: Anyone interested in talking about ASEAN's Big Cities?
Keywords: ASEAN Cities
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:29:06 GMT

Hello everyone.  Next year I am hoping to start a PhD on the subject of
ASEAN's large cities. What do you all think of your cities? Are they one
the right track? I am particularly interested in Transportation in
Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Bangkok, Manila and even Bandung, Surabaya
etc.

I have spent a lot of time in Ipoh and some time in KL. Also I have
visited Jakarta and Singapore briefly. I was struck by the liveliness of
the streets. I liked the fact that there was always something happening.
Traffic did seem to be a bit of a nightmare in some places but I don't know
what the answers are. What do you all think?  I have noticed that Jakarta has
just started a restricted zone (like Singapore's). In the central business
district cars must have at least three people. Is that working well?
Is public transport improving?

Paul Barter
University of Adelaide, Dept. of Geography.
email: ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au
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From: mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Murali Damodaran)
Subject: A bit of local history in the making
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:52:11 GMT


Lta Mohamad Zakir has become the first Malay Singaporean
to be an air force pilot with the RSAF. He was among the
latest crop of pilots who received their wings a couple
of days ago.   

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From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:13:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.185116.6505@bmers95.bnr.ca> khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:

>|> 
>Oh, ok. Let's see bluebird in mandarin would be 'nan(2) niau(3)'.  Can't see how
>that would be close to prick.
>-- 

NOpe definitely not but then again Jaya did not meant that either.
Seems strange isn't it 8).  It started off with lao jiao which Numero
Uno "elevated" to lan jiao and to Jaya rhymed like "blue bird" in
mandarin.  I thought Jaya's way off this "mess" was refreshing but
ofcourse to those who knew, including Syed Shibili, it is not blue
bird, though it is a "bird" of some sort.  What I was saying in the
previous post was that Jaya indeed meant blus bird in mandarin and
what he say is close enough unless he knew pinyin 8-).

Me Mann


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