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From: cmr@cvedc.prime.com (Chesley Reyburn)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Posters
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:11:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cvedc.1992Oct2.191116.22706
Organization: Computervision R&D, Beaverton OR

dworden@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Paul Worden) writes:

>I am interested in obtaining any kind of military aircraft poster, squadron

Try any US Government Printing Office Store.  They usually have several
packets of poster size pictures of planes.  I got one collection of 10
for $10.  Excellent deal.

They also sell copies of the US Constitution too.

Chesley Reyburn cmr@cvedc.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: aharding@bach.udel.edu (Allison S Harding)
Subject:  AFROTC or USAF ?
Keywords: Who's out there?
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:24:56 GMT


	I am curious as to how many of you out there are either 
in the USAF or are working toward that goal.  I would be very 
interested in talking to you.  

I am a cadet in my last year of Air Force ROTC at U of Delaware,
Detachment 128.  By some stroke of chance, I am also a pilot
candidate.  I just earned my private license in July, and fly
a Cherokee 140 out of Lee Airport in Annapolis, MD.  This 
summer, I graduated from the Flight Screening Program at
Hondo, North of Lackland AFB, near San Antonio, Texas.

	Please respond when you get the chance!

				- Allison

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From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:36:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aviation.military
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In case anyone is interested, here is some info on the airshows/open
houses at Edwards AFB and NAS Moffett:

NAS Moffett Open House and Military Display:  Oct 17 and 18.  Gates
open at 8:30 AM.  Both gates will be open according to Public Affairs.
For more info, the phone number is 1-415-404-4029.  The Blue Angels are
scheduled to fly each day from about 3:30 to 4:30.  Early reports of
a public airshow on Oct 16 were not correct.  The base is in Mt View
California right off of US 101.  Since Moffett is closing, this airshow
has been rumored to be one of the best Navy airshows this year, but it
is also expected to have a large crowd.

Edwards Airforce Base Open House and Military Display:  Oct 18 (Sunday
only).  All gates will be open according to Public Affairs, with those
gates opening at 7:00 AM.  The base in located near Palmdale CA.  For
more info, call 1-805-277-3510.

If anyone has any tips on attending either of these airshows, please
post.  Also post if you know of anything interesting related to airplanes
near these bases.  For example, I have heard of a Blackbird Park near
the aircraft factory in Palmdale, and an airliner graveyard at Mojave.

-john-
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Transport Crash Amsterdam (death Toll)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:29:36 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hi, 
Just a quick not to my last post of UPI's reporting 200 dead.
That was not an official account.  It was an estimation.
There have been 19 confirmed dead by local hospitals.
Another note on the Pins that hold in the engines, they are about
4 inches long and 2 inches in diameter.  I believe there is normally
3 per engine mount or something like that.
They are made of steel.  15 of these such pins have been found
to have microspic cracks in them found during mainainence.  All
15 were replaced.  The pins from the China Air Lines crash last
year were not found.  They are still  at the bottom of the ocean.
FAA and Boeing claim that the Pins cannot be proven to be at fault.
Of course, if you ask me, this seems a little peculiar that
2 engines have fallen of a plane 2 times in the same year just after
take off.  Something in the engine mounts must be wrong.
dont forget, Clari.News.Aviation will keep you informed.


Derek

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From: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch (Peter Nyffeler ,x4399)
Subject: Gloster Meteor 
Reply-To: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH-Zuerich, Physical-Chemistry-Lab. - Switzerland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:49:57 GMT

I would like to build a scale model (control-line) of the

                GLOSTER METEOR F Mk.1 (EE227)

used as test platform for Rollce-Royce RB.50 Trent turbo prop engine

Do you have drawings, photos or any other informations about this mashine ??
From: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: McKay-Dymek DR333 Monitor/Surveillance/HF RX
Keywords: Info Wanted: HF RXs on Military Planes
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 12:33:02 PDT
Reply-To: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us


It's my understanding that the McKay-Dymek DR333 HF Surveillance
monitor is in use on some of the military aircraft...and personnel
like it because of its good dynamic range...anyone familiar with this 
receiver in noisy environments (like cockpits? ;@} )
I'm interested in anything else you can (legally) tell me about
military aviation communications gear especially HF...THX

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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Please help me find . . .
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:22:23 GMT

On 5 Oct 92 10:18:42 CDT, brentk@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu said:

Brent> I have been asked by a friend to see what I can find out about a
Brent> person named Steven A. Douglas (ie. how to contact him).  He recently
Brent> wrote an article in Aviation Week and publishes a newsletter called
Brent> "Intercepts" which is about military radio monitoring.  He is from the
Brent> Amarillo, TX area.

Brent> An address would be great, or an E-Mail address even better.

You can always write to any author in care of the publisher of
their work.  In this case, Aviation Week is where to send it.

Either mark the envelope "Author" c/o "Publisher" or just put the
stamped envelope with the author's name but no address in an envelope
addressed to the publisher and they'll just put on the address.  If
time is amazingly critical (unlikely if you're willing to wait for the
net to produce an address) you can call AvLeak.

Or you can try Amarillo directory assistance, both for his name
and for his newsletter.

These are pretty obvious first steps in tracking anyone down.

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From: brentk@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Please help me find . . .
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:18:42 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello,

I have been asked by a friend to see what I can find out about a
person named Steven A. Douglas (ie. how to contact him).  He recently
wrote an article in Aviation Week and publishes a newsletter called
"Intercepts" which is about military radio monitoring.  He is from the
Amarillo, TX area.

An address would be great, or an E-Mail address even better.

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks

Brent K

PS.  I don't have a .sig file on this host, please respond to
"brentk@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu" or to this group.
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Subject: Edwards Airshow Tips
From: cvalj000@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Mike Cancellier)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:59:20 PST
Followup-To: rec.aviation.military
Organization: Cal Poly Pomona Geography
Nntp-Posting-User: cvalj000

In article <160@newave.newave.mn.org>, john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
> If anyone has any tips on attending either of these airshows, please
> post.  Also post if you know of anything interesting related to airplanes
> near these bases.  For example, I have heard of a Blackbird Park near
> the aircraft factory in Palmdale, and an airliner graveyard at Mojave.
> 
> -john-

	I live in L.A. and have been going to the Edwards show for quite a few
years.  Some suggestions are in order.  Go as early as you can.  The access
road to the base starts 20 miles before the mail gate.  By 0700, the road is
full.  I usually either camp out in the nearby desert and get up early to leave
, or use my sticker and military ID to go in the gate for military personel
only.  Bring sunscreen and lots of water.  The show will be hot, windy, and
very dry.  The content is usually very good.  Last year both the C-17 and B-2
were on static, and of course the F-117 flew, along with all the aircraft of
the TPS (Test Pilot School) and the test stuff on the base.  This is the only
show where the T-birds are not the last event.  They do a flyby of all the Test
Center aircraft at the end, so don't leave during the 'Birds.
	Mojave is an interesting place to visit.  Where else can you see brand
spanking new 747-400's, Greek F-100's about to become drones, Czechoslovakian
MiG-21MF's for sale, and the hundreds of mothballed derelict airliners, and
restored warbirds all in one place.  To get there take the 14 Fwy north from
Rosamond, and get off at the marked offramp.
	Have a nice trip, and maybe I will see you all there.
Cheers,

	Mike
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From: karol+@pitt.edu (Filip M. Gieszczykiewicz (fmgst+@pitt.edu))
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: GIFS of Military jets
Summary: how about a flick? ;-)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:55:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aviation.military
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>In article <1992Oct1.164608.23178@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> dyrda@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (The Conservative) writes:
>Does anybody know where there are ftp sites for military jet gif's??
>Thanks.

	DO NOT REPLY. BORROWING ACCOUNT. REPLY TO fmgst+@pitt.edu. THANKS.

	Greetings. I just got a few flicks for my IBM clone. FIRST: you
	need VGA, you need MS-DOS /windows, you need 2MB disk space,
	you need FTP access.

	1) Shows a MiG29 landing perpendicular to the ground (ie. crash)
	   about 1.3MB .fli file. (I get it and zipped it to ~900K)
	   Did the pilot eject, get the flick and see ;-) 

	2) Blue Angels (me thinks) during air show. Short (600K) flick
	   but you definitely need Windows 3.x (puke) for this. This is
	   a MPG file.

	3) I haven't checked the rest (first gotta download @ 2400 baud ;-)

	I reply to "fmgst+@pitt.edu" and I will send you the site.

	Take care.
 
	DO NOT REPLY. BORROWING ACCOUNT. REPLY TO fmgst+@pitt.edu. THANKS.

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From: gt8303a@prism.gatech.EDU (The Great and Mighty Confused)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Posters
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:26:24 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct1.161026.503@news.unomaha.edu> dworden@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Paul Worden) writes:
>I am interested in obtaining any kind of military aircraft poster, squadron
>patches or any other pertinent objects.  Please respond via this newsgroup or
>e-mail me at dworden@cwis.unomaha.edu


Please send me this info as well.

gt8303a@prism.gatech.edu

Thanks.

Andy Entrekin
From: sbellan@claude.ma30.bull.com (Simon Bellan)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: GIFS of Military jets
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:12:35 GMT
	<1992Oct1.194622.11758@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA



The IP address of wuarchve.wustl.edu=128.252.135.4


Simon Bellan
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From: gillum@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim Gillum)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Any C-130s?
Keywords: Hercules
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:35:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Does any one know where I can find some C-130 images?  Any type fine (slicks,
HC's, EC's) but I'd really like to find some of Talons or Spectres.

Thanks,

-Tim
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From:  postmast@revtrud.tambov.su (Sedov Sergey)
Subject: New equipment for aviations
Reply-To: postmast@revtrud.tambov.su
Organization: Plant Revtrud
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 08:29:13 +0300 

                Mobile radio communication centre OREL
                           1. Purpose
     The OREL  equipment  is  desingned  for   establishing   radio
communication with aircrafts and ground objects.
                        2. Basic specifications
     The OREL  equipment ensures:
     radio communication in the range from 2 to 18 MHz and  in  the
range from 118 to 136 MHz with recording on two tape recorders;
     radio traffic by means of the  radio  set  ROMASKA;  telephone
     communication with two users of local battery sets
and of the common battery system;
     signals reception via the radio receiver P-880M. The equipment
     provides the radio traffic in the HF-VHF ranges
during stop and truck movement.  The distances covered by the radio
set are as follows:
     max. 300 km without dilent zones - in the HF range; within the
     line-of-sight distance - in the VHF range.
                        3. Components
     The equipment is mounted in a van,  carried by a GAZ-66  truck
of heightened cross-country capability.  The van mounts:  radio set
BAKLAN (2 sets),  JADRO-1K1 (2 sets); radio receiver  P-880M;  tape
recorders -504H   (1  set),  -503 (1 set); control and telephone
communication equipment; supply equipment  and  storage  batteries.
The equipment  truck has the operator station.  The equipment truck
is heated by the heater-and-ventilation unit  and  electric  stove.
The OREL system provides for telephone communication and radio sets
control by means of the remote control panel (RCP).  The RCP can be
located within 300 m from the OREL system.  The OREL system ensures
radio sets control from the operator station in tne equipment truck
and from the driver's cabine. The communication via the loudspeaker
between the cabine and tne van can be performed.  The equipment can
be powered  both from an external three-phase 380/220 V 50 Hz mains
and from the electric power station -12-BC/400 M11.   The  OREL
equipment can   be  fed from accomulators in case of emergency.  In
case of emergency the equipment can be  powered  from  the  storage
batteries HK-80   about 5 hours.  The power consumption is not more
than 8 kW.  The OREL system can move under its own power at a speed
of up  to 60 km/h.  The OREL equipment can be also shipped by rail,
by water,  by air.  The basic weight  characteristics  and  overall
dimensions of the equipment are listed in the table.
                            Length,mm  Width,mm  Height,mm  Mass,kg
1. Equipment truck            5850       2400      3260       5700
2. Electric power station 3947 2070 230 1720 The time required four
     4 men to transfer the OREL equipment
from the travelling to the operating position is not more than  0,5
hour. The    maintenance operations on the OREL equipment should be
performed by two men.


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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:48:22 GMT

There will be a flying display at the Edwards Open House, but it's not
the Thunderbirds.  We might even fly one of our aircraft (although
I've been on travel for the last 10 days and haven't seen any notes
from the latest Staff Meeting, so I could be pretty out of date).

I'd expect to see the B-2 and the F-117, with the latter possibly
flying in like last year.  C-17, MC-130, Sherpa, A-7, F-16, F-15,
A-37, B-52, KC-135, Hueys, and a few other planes from the Air
Force on static display.  F-15,F-16, A-7 aerial routines.  X-31,
X-29, NB-52B, F-18, SR-71 from Dryden.  Last year they had an
F-14 aerial routine, too.

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shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
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                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:20:22 GMT

In article <SHAFER.92Oct6133404@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>
>Er, Edwards is in Southern California.  We're south of the Tehachapi
>Mountains, and that's SoCal.  I should know; I've lived in Lancaster
>since 1961.
>
>--
>Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA

OK, Mary, you got me.  I was thinking Moffet (haven't the foggiest why...),
and given all the enjoyable posts of yours that I've read I naturally assumed
you were a properly civilised (Northern) Californian!


kbq

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From: wetzels@amc.uva.nl (F.P.M. Wetzels)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: trnsport crash amsterdam
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:09:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aviation.military
Organization: Faculty of medicine - University of Amsterdam




So far, there're 14 dead bodies discovered and brought away
for identification. The proces of cleaning up the area is
going very slow. The building may crash. About 340 people
are working constantly day and night at the place. The cause
of this dissaster is not clear yet. It seems that the pilot
didn't make a mistake. Ten minutes after he started, he lost
two of the motors. The possibility to land savely is very
small. He lost a lot of control.


Frank

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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: GIFS of Military jets
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:40:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct1.194622.11758@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> dyrda@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (The Conservative) writes:
.>>In article <BvGEn0.Dyq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell) writes:
.>> Try wuarchive.wustl.edu /graphics/gif/(alphabetically sorted)  
.>> 
.>> Of some interest may be /graphics/gif/v/vnr which holds a large number
.>> of small Vietnam era gifs.
.>
.>  Sorry our network only accepts IP address formats, ie 134.20.8.356 etc.
.>Could you post this for me, thanks!!

  128.252.135.4 should work.
.>
.>Rich

Larry J

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From: sevenup@netcom.com (Mark W. Moorcroft)
Subject: Aircraft arrival schedule for Moffet?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:13:23 GMT


Does anyone have access to the arrival schedules of the aircraft
appearing at Moffett this weekend. If I knew when they were flying in
I would try to shoot some stills while the crowds and traffic are not
a factor.


--thanxinadvance



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From: easmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric A Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Aurora?
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:07:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

Can someone give me a little bit of information on the Aurora?  I've never
heard of it.  Reply via e-mail please...save network bandwidth. Thanks in
advance!
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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<SHAFER.92Oct4144825@ra.dfrf.nasa.gov> <rob.718330646@blacks>
	<1992Oct6.195147.20991@pony.Ingres.COM>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:34:08 GMT

On 6 Oct 92 19:51:47 GMT, kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) said:

Kevin> In article <rob.718330646@blacks> rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Rob Fatland) writes:
>
>Also an Aurora low pass, low speed fly by.

Kevin> Dream on!  They seem to stick to Southern California (and not 
Kevin> exactly low!).

Er, Edwards is in Southern California.  We're south of the Tehachapi
Mountains, and that's SoCal.  I should know; I've lived in Lancaster
since 1961.

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shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
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                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
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