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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: The return of the 040 vs 486 thread..Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:58:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.134945.12158@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>>>So to the best of my understanding, a 25MHz '040 really is 25MHz as
>>>far as the internal processing units are concerted.
>>
>>Which of course says nothing about the operational speed since you
>>don't know how many internal clock ticks are needed for a certain
>>operation and wether the 486 may need twice that many.
>
>He's also, if I understand him, wrong.  The 25 MHz 040 expects a two clocking
>lines... one at 25MHz used for bus timing and another at 50MHz used for the
>chip's internal PCLK.  It's pretty much the same clock speed scheme that the
>DX2 Intel chips have, except that they take in only the slower clock signal
>and then they internally double it through a PLL.

I'm aware that PCLK is 50MHz.  A PLL is used to synchronize PCLK and
BCLK internally, not to double PCLK.  But hey, don't take my word for
it...I thought the same as you did the last time this issue surfaced,
but then a Moto employee (Skipper Smith, I believe?) posted to the
contrary.  I have no reason to doubt his information.

This is one of those issues that will probably never reach a
net.consensus.  Sort of like "Does the 68000 have a 32-bit internal
architecture?" debate.  Even though there's a correct answer, you'll
never get everyone to agree on it.

Paul

-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
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From: rogeraw@dhhalden.no (ROGER ALLAN WAHLGREN)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:15:01 GMT

In article <doiron.0fhh@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:
>From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
>Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
>Date: 9 Oct 92 01:30:46 GMT
>In article <1992Oct2.181629.27733@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ccb8m@palm.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:
>> 
>> Chris Millar derives space requirements for 640x400x 8bitplane for the
>> ST:
>> 
>> > 640x400 frame at 8bitpl = 256K memory x 24fps = 6.15 Meg/sec
>> 
>> Granted I don't know anything specific about the Falcon except it's
>> claim of a DSP.  With a DSP the motion picture demo could have been
>> running through the DSP set up as an MPEG decoder/encoder filter.
>> 
>> Assuming this, the figure of ~90Meg isn't completely ridiculous.
>> 
>>    E.G. lets say conservatively ~ 50K/frame = 1.2 Meg/sec = 75 sec
>>         of full frame video.
>> 
>> I think you are right in saying that it wasn't full screen considering
>> the above number, but I'm not sure what MPEG optimized compression
>> ratios are.  If the above K/frame could be halved we have the 2.3 min
>> demo.
>> 
>> Charles C. Bundy IV
>
>MPEG on a 56001?????
>
>Glenn Doiron
>--
>Amiga UUCP+
>Origin:  uunet!starpt!doiron     (Organization:68K Software Development)
>         BIX: gdoiron
>** Not enough memory to perform requested operation.  Add 4 megs and retry.


MPEG or not!!

Atari has shown a demo in true color, 24 frames/s with 16 bit stereo sound 
and it took 100 MB HD space. The demo was Tina Turner "....the best" 
and it was about 3 minutes.

R.A.W
From: oivindi@dhhalden.no (OIVIND IDSO)
Subject: A-MaxII+ ?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:50:01 GMT


I've just read through a magazine test of the A-MaxII+ Macintosh emulator 
for the Amiga.

Amongst other things, the test said that using the A-MaxII+ on an Amiga 2000 
would compare to the speed of a Mac Classic. 

What Mac would A-Max emulate if it was used on for example a 25Mhz Amiga 
3000, or the 040 based A4000? Would it be a IIsi, IIci or even a IIfx/
Quadra??? Is the A-MaxII+ able to display colors when emulating? If yes, how 
many?

Important: Can it use QuickTime (how many frames pr. second, window size 
etc.)?

I would like to hear from anyone who has any knowledge and/or experience  
regarding Mac emulating on the Amiga. I need to know, as I'm still trying to 
decide whether to buy an Amiga or Mac for multimedia/videoediting purposes!

Please e-mail or post to the net.

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From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack)
Subject: Re: Snip and trim at the newsdresser
Followup-To: soh@tmp_ip_003.trl.OZ.AU 
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:34:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.230815.6390@trl.oz.au> soh@tmp_ip_003.trl.OZ.AU (Soh Kam Hung) writes:
>Awright, it's time for you long article fellas to visit the
>newsdresser!
>
>This is his friendly advice:
>
>SNIP YOUR LONG SIGNATURES!  Our newsreaders can't tell if you've
>written a meaty, juicy article or if you're merely the owner of an
>overblown signature.

Define "Long Signatures".
>
>TRIM YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS!  Summarise articles you refer to.  Cut other
>people's signatures.  Dumb newsreaders can't tell if you've written a
>substantial article or if you're simply a boring plagarist.
>
Install a better newsreader.

>ASIDE: Is there any newsreader program that can list the length of
>an article and the number of original lines?
>
>With this advice, you are on the way to being a concise, readable
>writer.
>
>Regards,
>
>---
>Soh Kam Hung, Network Management Research,     | h.soh@trl.oz.au  
>TRL, POB 249 Clayton, Victoria 3168, Australia | +61 3 253 6638

Gee, thank you for that.  Why not just stay *ON TOPIC*?  that will cut down
on this problem that you see immensely.  And if you stay on topic, we won't
have to hear from you.

Now for an excesively large .sig----live with it.

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:51:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.042705.20619@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:
>>  Why would a 486sx make any difference?  The only thing its missing is
>>the math coprocessor.  Windows doesnt use it anyway.
>
>SX makes a *HELL* of a difference. An SX machine has a 16-bit data bus 
>with a 32-bit CPU. Sort of cuts bandwidth down as bit, as I'm sure you can 
>imagine.

You're thinking of a 386SX.  A 486SX has a 32-bit bus, but no FPU.
Also, I think the 486SX only runs at at 20MHz, though there might be
faster ones now - I don't pay much attention to the 486SX market
myself.

Paul
-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
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From: spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (S.P.Zeidler)
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Dave Haynie!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:49:43 GMT

In <1992Oct7.002522.14688@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>	What the hell do ya do ? Draw big icons ? :-)
I don't exactly draw them, but if you want to use some 512x512 icons,
maybe you'd like some of our results ;-)
You could of course also use some of our raw data frames, but at a typical
light level of 100 photons per frame they're singularily boring ;-)

regards,
	spz
-- 
        spz is S.Petra Zeidler  I do not speak for the MPIfR.
spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de  stargazer@irc
 MPI fuer Radioastronomie Bonn  Institut fuer optische Interferometrie
    Auf dem Huegel 69, Germany  reading prescription: cum kilo salis
From: douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yes, the A4000 is kinda Ugly
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:52:22 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Is the A4000 that ugly?  Really?  What passes for art today will be the 
junk of tommorow.  If you look through a Mac World, you almost have to laugh at
the effort some companies put into designing the right shape.. modems with
legs that sit at a 45'angle on your desk, scanners that look like a small
reclining couch, monitors with french curves, mice that look uncomfortable, and
printers that look like racecars or jet airplanes {like they need to be
aerodynamic!}
Just remember the JB commercial:  You always come back to basics.  The A4000
lacks pizzaz, but at least you can set a flower pot on it!  (todays
state-of-the-art will, after all be the junk of tommorow.)

Dustan Doud
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From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Comparisons...
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

could someone please tell me why, when I start showing off my $300 7Mhz A500 they
immediately start comparing it to a high-end $1500 486/66DX2????

I guess when I get my 4000, they'll start running off at the mouth about how their
CRAY can do the same thing...

:>
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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Dave Haynie!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:44:18 GMT

In <1992Oct12.234601.28463@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:

>	Then how about this. A replacement motherboard ?

>The majour problem I can see is getting
>the 68030 to work after desoldering and soldering. I am willing to take the 
>risk. The demo machines given to developers were after all converted A3000s

 I thought the 68030 chips in the 3000 were surface mounted?  At least they
were in the A3000T I saw.
 In my mind it wouldn't be worth the effort.  Considering the likely failure
rate of trying to remove a surface mounted 68030, who are you going to get
to guarantee that they won't destroy your computer?

 That's why the PC world is so interesting.  Everything is modular.  If you
wanted better video, you can replace the video card without scrapping the
motherboard.  The A4000 is supposed to start going this route, as I understand
it...  A $500 VGA card is a easier purchase to make than a new $4000 computer.

>	Pleeeeeeese C= help us out.

 It's really not that big of deal.  Buy a new computer.

>		George
>PS: Could someone from C= conferm or reject the fact that the demo AGA machines
>to developers were actualy converted A3000s ?

 It's quite likely.  When you're developing an item, it's usually easier to
incorporate it into something you currently have, rather than build everything
fresh from the start.  That way you can work out the bugs, and find out what
changes you'll need to make to better support it.

 Which is likely what happened, the new AGA required certain things that the
A3000's older design did not contain.



-- 
Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu
Iowa Cooperative Soil Survey Resource Unit
2142 Agronomy, Iowa State University  (515) 294-5429

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: WAY off topic!  But... (Was: Re: WOC Videotapes)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:24:33 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

In article <1992Sep28.061545.4364@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>> fheitkamp> 	He is also the drummer for Fleetwood-Mac.  As a matter of fact
>> fheitkamp> 	I think his name is Mick Fleetwood.  
>> 
>> No he's not, you goof!
>
>	Are you sure he's not?  I thought I even saw it on the credits at
>	the end of the show.  Mr.  Hom from ST-TNG is played by somebody
>	from Fleetwood-Mac (but I know it's not Stevie Nicks)

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

Whatever we doing way out here?  :-)

I do not know the actor's name, but Mr. Hom is NOT played by Mick Fleetwood.
Distinguishing characteristics:  Mick Fleetwood has hair.  And a beard.  Lots
of hair!  LOTS of beard!

BTW, Mick WAS on an episode of STTNG, he was one of the "fish guys" that
Worf admired so much.  Since Lwaxana Troi and Mr. Hom(m) were both also
in that episode, perhaps that is were the confusion is coming from.

BTW... isn't referring to Mick Fleetwood as "the drummer for Fleetwood Mac"
kinda like describing the 68040 as "a fast processor?"  :-)

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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: A4000, A Marketable Machine?
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:33:52 GMT

In article <Bw2zoK.Mx1@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <Paula_Lieberman.06t4@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>>re article by Jay Phillips:  But does that "clone of the month" also do
>>fast animation at 1024 X 768 X 8 bit, without adding a graphics accelerator
>>chip?! I agree, the static graphics capabilities of the 4000 are
>>substandard for 1992 personal computers.  However, for dynamic images, the
>>machine has it over the
>>IBM PC-derived machine architectures, and Macs.
>
>   We'll have to see about that.  Nobody has yet done any benchmarks showing
>times for read and writing to and from graphics memory for various types of
>SVGA systems and the A4000.  Besides, from what people have said of the 
>A4000 from first-hand use, it has the "feel" of a faster-then-average SVGA
>card, but that the new local-bus SVGA cards still blow it away.


	Your idiotic post came after on person had a go at the machine only a few days after
the show. You even quoted him you nerd. Wait till the real figures come out
because untill then you are only guessing.



>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

	George

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From: eha@phoenix (Esa Haapaniemi)
Subject: Re: WOC Tape
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:31:08 GMT

: For those of you that were interested in getting copies of Mike Smithwick's
: WOC tape that was shown at FAUG's meeting, Mike has agreed to send The Amiga
: Group (TAG) his tape on the condition that we help distribute copies of it
: to other Amiga groups.  If your group is interested, send me e-mail.

Can you send it to Europe ? Could I get it on PAL (I can see NTSC too) ?
What are the costs ? 
: 
:Obviously we can only handle so many requests.  So, any group receiving a copy
:of the tape must also help distribute it to other groups by posting a message
:similar to this one and also must give Mike Smithwick credit for making the
:original tape.
:
I'm willing to do that for scandinavian countries...
 
: Jason Koszarsky,
: TAG President.

Esa Haapaniemi
University of Oulu
Finlan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: leeuw@fwi.uva.nl (Jacco de Leeuw)
Subject: Re: CDTV vs CD-I, Crap CD-I Golf on Show
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:19:30 GMT

jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:

>In article <etxansk.718904060@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>>
>> I case you're interested, I visited an entertainment fair in
>>Sweden recently, and someone was displaying a Philips CD-I
>>machine there. Unfortunately there were no Philips spokesmen
>>present, but a golf game was running and it looked...
>>...crap!
>>
>> Bad frame update (25/30 Hz or worse) and pale colour made
>>me think the CDTV might be able to compete.
>>
>> Anyway, the CD-I golf game was _very_ disappointing.

Huh?! I rented a CD-I player with 7 titles, but Golf was in my opinion
very good! I demonstrated it to several people and they agreed with me
wholeheartedly! It *was* difficult to play, I admit. Could be me, of course,
I'm a terrible game player... But the digitized pictures gave it a very
realistic touch. It's just a matter of taste, I think. I am laughing when
I see the golf player in the corner of the screen (PIP, just like in a TV
golf broadcast), watching the ball in the air, and then throwing his club
on the ground in anger when it misses!!!

>And the announcers who are constantly droning on in the background while 
>you play... "Nice putt..."  "He really seems to have missed his mark this
>time..." especially the one with the aggravating Australian accent... egads...
>almost enough reason to disconnect your TV's speakers...

>"It looks like he's a total asshole on this putt... it's hopeless  now."

>No offense intended to any Australians, out there, BTW, but if you check out
>the soundtrack of this game you'll probably see what I mean about the 
>omnipresent irritation.

Huh again?! I was laughing on the floor about all these comments! Lighten up,
man! (Last saturday I saw the German version of CD-I and, I admit, it was
less fun. Somehow I accept critic in a funny Australian accent better than 
in the German language ;-)

There are some *very* nice titles for CD-I (the Smithsonian for example),
I don't say that is so because CD-I is better than CDTV, it is clearly
a matter of money (which makes software). But there are also titles for CD-I
who are utterly *crap*! Have you seen Pinball? Argh! What a piece of sh*t! 
Pinball Dreams (and soon Pinball Fantasies) beat it already!
(Someone ought to hire these Swedish guys, let them program more pinball
stages, make some wonderful music, and put it all on CDTV!!!!)

>>
>> Anders Skelander
>> 

>-- 
> Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) ----- SOMETHING NEAT SHOULD GO HERE.
> "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
>  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
>                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:41:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.042705.20619@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:
>easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>
>>In article <Ace.02sw@auilcs0.UUCP> Ace@auilcs0.UUCP (James Knowlton) writes:
>>>>
>>>> 	You're 486sx or your graphics card must be terrible then.  I'm
>>>>    running WIN-OS2 ( the same thing as Win3.0 ) on a 33/486 and its pretty
>>>>    fast.  I'm using the Diamond Speedstar Plus graphics card also, which
>>>>    isn't exactly state of the art these days.  I can't believe that an 486sx
>>>>    would be that much slower then my 33/486.
>>>
>>>I can.  For one it's running at a slower clock speed. And for two it's an sx.
>>>Iv'e used a 486sx running windows, and it IS slow. I'm with him - i'll take
>>>a 3000/16 running Workbench anytime, thanks.
>
>>  Why would a 486sx make any difference?  The only thing its missing is
>>the math coprocessor.  Windows doesnt use it anyway.
>
>SX makes a *HELL* of a difference. An SX machine has a 16-bit data bus 
>with a 32-bit CPU. Sort of cuts bandwidth down as bit, as I'm sure you can 
>imagine.

  sigh...  Time for "Name that Intel Processor" again. :-)

  You are obviously confusing the 386sx with the 486sx.  Go get a Intel
data book and report back to us when you've completed the above mentioned
sections.  

  :-)

>   Dave Connors - D.Connors@sct.gu.edu.au     Griffith University, Australia

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Amiga World's Worst Review EVER!!
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.132237.1424@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:

>I mean, one picture, no comparisons to older models, no picture of the
>interals (mother board, processor board, etc...), no picture of the
>backplane.  What's the point of even showing the machine in the magazine if
>they are going to do such a slipshod review of the product riddled w/
>half truths and inconsistancies (compared to the net that is. :) ).

The word for the day is lead-time...

If you read the article closely, you can tell that it was writtn prior to the
release. For example:

"the first public demonstration of the A4000 was scheduled last month..."

AW generally is quite dated when compared to competitors like AC, which is
produced independently and more capable of including detailed up-to-date
coverage. I would expect the December issue of AW to include additional
information and a summary of the WOC exhibits.
From: itti@aphrodite.enst.fr (Laurent Itti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Professional Users Wanted
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:37:03 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France


Hello,

we are a group of french engineer students in the fields of computer science,
electronics and telecommunications (Ecole Nationale Superieure des
Telecommunications de Paris), and we have constituted an Amiga user group
(Club Amiga Telecom-Paris).

As one of our members will probably go to Chicago in November 1992, we would like
to know if it would be possible to meet there some 'Professionnal users' of
the Amiga:

We indeed write a series of arcticles in a french Amiga newspaper (Amiga-News),
oriented towards the often-unknown professional use of the Amiga.

Having the opportunity to go to Chicago, we thus would be very interested in
interviewing such users there during November 1992.

That's why we are currently looking for addresses of these users in the area of
Chicago. Could you help us ? Do you know professional users of the Amiga ?

These could be for example :
- any research lab which uses the amiga and made some original developments on it,
- the NASA (which certainly has a department near Chicago),
- some universities which participate in developments on the Amiga (like it is for
the university of South California, Lowell,... in other areas),
- some more 'exotic' things (such as the SLAC (Stanford Linear Accelerator Center)
which seems to use the Amiga for focussing their beams in the area of Stanford...)


So, if you know any professional use of the Amiga made in the area of Chicago,
could you please let us know ?

Thanks a lot.
----------------------
Laurent ITTI, Club Amiga Telecom-Paris
itti@inf.enst.fr