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From: cs911157@ariel.yorku.ca (SYED K NAZEER)
Subject: Re: Conversion to ISLAM/ Do I have to leave my beloved wife?
Originator: cs911157@c11.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:19:56 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.061222.12496@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp>, f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:
>> 
>> Dear readers,
>> 
>>      One more question. One of my friends wrote to me by email
>>  That a muslim should mix with muslims only. (preferablely). He
>> must mix with muslim comunity, as the non-muslims will betray
>> a muslim (I really don't know why?).
>> 
>> I like your coments on it.

I for one, disagree with your friend.  Simply because it is not possible.
If I lived in a country where Muslims were in a significant majority, then it
might have been possible. But I don't so it isn't.  

The only instruction that is available in Islam is that Muslims should not betray other Muslims and befriend people from other groups.  Simply put: do not abondon the people of Islam to join some other people.  So keeping Muslim as well as non-Muslims as friends is very acceptable and widely practiced by many Muslims.

In my opinion, this is the beauty of Islam that all of it's doctrines maintain their truth and significance even if removed from religious (Islamic) context.  It would make absoloute sense for any religion, group or people to instruct their followers not to abondon their own kind and befriend others.  Heck, even animals follow this instructions and stick to their kind.

>> Now suppose if I convert ti Islam, do I have to leave my beloved
>> wife and all my dear family members? They are all strict HINDU and
>> pray multiple GOD, pray IDOLS, in short they are all KHAFIRS. Should/must
>> I leave there comunity and join muslim comunity where I don't have any
>> friends in INDIA. Here I have many muslim friends. Should I send my
>> son to only ISLAMIC INSTITUTE OF TECKNOLOGY rather then Indian Institute
>> of TECHNOLOGY? Should I forbid my children to mix with HINDUS?

I think it would be cruel and baseless for Islam to demand that you abandon your family and friends just because YOU have changed.  That would refute all other instructions of kindness to everybody that Islam puts forward for it's believers.  That all believers treat everyone with kindness and respect is entirely a part of Islam.  

In my opinion, it should be the responsibility of all those who convert to Islam to make sure that their belief in Islam will be maintained and no harm will come to it.  So if you converted and your family and friends still loved you as much as they did before, than in my opinion, there is no reason for you to abondon them.  However, if they started teaching you terribly and demanded all ther time that you convert back, then I guess you would see an obvious reason to leave.  This decision would then be par




t social and part religious. 

>> with regards
>> SUPRATIC GUPTA

Khurram Nazeer
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: For God Sake Stop Ahmediyya Religion War...
Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:50:01 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu
Keywords: Hydrocarbons....

	Dear Pakistani brother and (sherfoo's sisters),

	Please stop that religion war.  We have a lot of other stuff to discuss.
	For God sake STOP THAT BULLSHIT ON SCP.

	Khuda Hafiz

	Zakir Abdi [Freedom of expression...] 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mkatyal@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: Paki BASTARDS
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:14:38 GMT

In article <101969@bu.edu>, khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid) writes:
> What do you mean?  I thought that there are far more bastards
> in the United states than there are in Pakistan.  If there is a survey
> done, I think the U.S. will be at the top of the list of countries
> with bastards.  In some areas, more than one in two babies are
> born to unwed parents.  It may follow that there may be one in two
> chances that the poster whose article I am responding to is a bastard
> himself, if he lives in those areas.  I have nothing against the
> United States; that's just the way things are, folks.  If it hurts
> you, marry someone before making kids, right?
> See ya.
> Rasheed (not a bastard, born after parents' marriage)
>		

............An excellent answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........
	Manish (Your neighbour across the border)
From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ?  No Way !!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:56:28 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov22.191125.26371@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
> 
>        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
> 	from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
> champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
> believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
> two women. This is Grabage."
> 
> So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
> No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
> paradise. 
> 
> What you guys think ?


Well Mustafa...
             You made your point....

Ahmed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Nayyar Sultana
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:56:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Uf1oMKy00iV446aWoQ
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 16-Nov-92 Nayyar Sultana by
MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
>      The Pakistan Government has declared following members of
>       Mohajir Quami Movement to be " Ishtahari Mulzim" and
>         has announced an award of 10 lacks Rs. for anyone who
>           will help the govt. to arrest them either dead or 
>  
>                            alive.
>  
>  
> Azeem Tariq
>      Imran Farooq
>         Saleem Shahzad 
>                 Baqar Rizvi
>                         
>  
>  
>         
Really???
Why???
Has anything new come up???
Anynews anyone???
Asad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject: To Shakil Waiz Ahmad
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:23:58 GMT

Founder of Ahmadiyya Movement has written more that 85 books on Islamic issues.
How many of his books have YOU read COMPLETELY?

Arshad [You say:'I am muslim', you are muslim] Hussain
From: alis@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Sal-Myster)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PakistaNews GIF File:Editorial Cartoon Graphic File 1119
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:50:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1ejfhmINNmk6
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: xanth.cs.orst.edu

In article <1992Nov19.185500.15819@ntmtv> ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed) writes:
>
>I use a Sun and so asked my System Administrator just a minute
>back.
>He says that you need to be Running X to view GIF files, and also
>that there is a public domain utility 'pbm' that would let you view
>these files on a sun.
>I cant find pbm , and so am hoping that there is some one out
>there who can help.
>
>Syed Ahmed.

	hmm, i have seen people using xloadimage on xterms..... try that..
	also, i have seen xview (if i am correct)

	look up your man pages of to find out more.. 

	maybe somebody with more knowledge can help out more..

	adios,
	salman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Was Bhutto an elected Prime Minister ?  No Way !!!!
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:49:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

This topic has ALSO already been discussed. The point was raised probably
by Mr. Irfan Hyder (sp), and no one challenged my arguement that Z.A. Bhutto
had been elected by a great majority of the population of the four provinces
which remained in Pakistan after secession of East Bengal. If you still
want to believe that he was not elected by the country he remained Prime
Minister of, you have that choice. The fact remains that he was elected by
the people of the post '71 Pakistan. That's the Pakistan he was Prime Minister
of. That status has never been challenged to the best of my knowledge. If you
really are so confident of your contention as to present it as if it were a
known fact, please go to a court and challenge his status.

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527
From: shamim@ash.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:07:51 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

In article <1992Nov21.142040.15519@bernina.ethz.ch>, nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
|                     
|> 
|> The trajedy of Pakistan is that it really doesn't matter who is in the seat
|> od power. They are all corrupt and care little for the country. Bhutto's
|> couple of years in power was noted for her beloved husbands naked theft
|> and embezzlement of anything that was worth more than afew ruppees. Nawaz
|> Sharif is no better. Democracy is a farce. That leaves the army --- but
|> that is trouble in its own ways.
|> 
|> All this is punishment from Allah for not following proper Islamic
|> principles. The first step towards recovery would be for all politicains
|> to announce the bannishment of the Mullah from any form of politics ..
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                     
What about QADIANI SCHOLARS( I am not calling them Mullahs as they have
a different religon and hence must have differen terminology)?

|> especially Jamat-e-Islami. We may have a chance then.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why do you want Pakistan to take this undemocratic step?  In a democratic
country, political parties are not banned by the govt but rejected by people.

|> 
|> Nadeem Malik
|> :x
|> 

Tariq Shamim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: 3040_3744@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Hijacking of Democracy Re: S.R.I.A
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:46:44 GMT

~r shah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: Nayyar Sultana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:21:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <1992Nov17.165150.19592@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
|> In article <Nov17.001557.29988@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov16.162136.27778@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
|> >|> In article <Nov16.053241.22923@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:
|> >|> >In article <1992Nov16.030715.64343@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
|> >|> >|> 
|> 
|> 	The same law is more applicable on you. These news are for 
|> everyone and not for you only ok. Yap I admit my one mistake that 
|> i shoulnot use the name of Nayyar Sultana as a Title rather I should
|> use 'News' or something like that. 
|> 
|> Yes I also know that the rights of Mohajirs have been usureped by 
|> the everytime government but it doesnot mean that we should start
|> worshipping these bull shits . This is a time for us to know the reality
|> . WE are a free born persons and we should have full rights to condemn 
|> anyone who is trying to play with us. This is the basic teaching of 
|> Islam.
|> hope this works.

Well my intent was to point out that you had an incorrect subject 
line and you have realised it too.  No hard feelings about that. 

As you said that a free person has a right to do whatever he/she
wants to, and I respect your opinions but I don't want to share
them.The good for you may not be good for me and the bad for me may 
be bad for us, this is the whole point.  I don't want to go into 
the ethnic politics or the structure of Pakistani politics, oneway
or the other but I do want to clarify that I don't believe in any
religion, what so ever, that maintains double standards and applies
differently from man to man.  People in Pakistan use Islam with
their convenience and twist it according to their needs.  Infact, 
they are still lost in the meaning of brotherhood. It might will 
take them decades to understand it and normally time doesn't allow 
too many mistakes.   

*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

*********************************************************************
If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.
                -- Maslow
From: smc2103@hertz.njit.edu (Shoaib M Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Solution To Pakistan's Political situation  !!!!!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: smc2103@hertz.njit.edu



Dear Brothers/gals ,

                    I think what ever is happening in the Pakistan is 
absolutely rubbish. What Pakistan really needs is a Marshall_Law. The 
history of Pakistan clearly proves that during almost the 25 years of 
Marshall_Law, the law and order is 100% better in most of the Pakistan
and since , the Political Parties and Student Organization are banned,
so more time is spent in classes by students. It is an excellent practice,
by Nawaz Sharif to order the arrest of Mohtarma Benazi Bhutto ( the former 
Prime Minister of Pakistan ) because she had no right in any way to create 
hurdles in the "progress" of the country by organizing a country wide strike.
So, for one the best solution is to have Marshall Law since our "great" political leaders and the people can't handle democracy or, secondly get all the 
idiots like "PAgara" and "Jatooi" and other in front of firing squad and 
shoot them all !!! .

                   I think it would have been a healthier activity for 
Mrs.  Zardari to hold a "no confidence" movement against Nawaz Sharif. And
if she was right ofcourse most of the people would have certainly supported her remove Nawaz Sharif from the throne !! :-) . But we sitting outside  really 
cannot just keep discussing it without knowing what is really happening in Pakistan . May be what we really need is a "revolution" by the new generation 
and set up an all new political system. Our political system really needs a 
complete change. So, responses are welcome ........ and in the meanwhile preparefor a REVOLUTION.

                   I would like to add these few lines...... please know the 
problems of Pakistan before going for the revoulution....... b/c Benazir 
Bhutto although is an Oxford Graduate but on the other hand she really 
does not know what is "hunger" !!!!!!! . what is "poverty" and what is the
value of a "young son" for his parents. Because i can bet that she will 
have never gone to bed hungry stomach....... so the people who can really 
handle Pakistan are those who are familiar with these problems ..... Don't 
even think that i like NAWAZ SHARIF ... because he is not familiar with 
these terms either. He is also an aristocrate like Benazir .... Only you
and me can make the difference ........ And don't think that a small 
group of thoughtful citizens cannot make the difference, because they are 
the one who could ever make it !!!!!!!

                                                                 
-- 
     ,__@`                  'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,  Shoaib Chaudhry
      \<,   "Wrong way you   ,>/      ,>/      ,>/      ,>/   Computer science
   /^\/ //\    IDIOTS!"    /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ NJIT,NEWARK,NJ.
   \_/  \_/                \_/  \_/ \_/  \_/ \_/  \_/ \_/  \_/
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: azia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ahsan  Zia)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.islam.ahmaddiyya
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:46:01 EST

Re: Discussion about the ahmadies and The Muslims.

What is going on this newsgroup. What the hell we all are discussing.
Can't do some thing useful instead of wasting our time in such kind of 
trash discussion. This newsgroup can be used to discuss many knowledgeable 
topics. It is my kind request to all my Pakistani Brothers to stop this kind 
of fool things. Let's take it in this way that the other people reading this 
news group, what they will be thinking about us? I do not have to say any 
thing more but let us awake and be united!.

Regards to all.

Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:16:02 -0500 
From: Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: God help pakistan

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Re: God help
pakistan by Nadeem Jamali@newton.ccs 
> Would you support her *IF* the elections in fact were rigged, or would
> you still insist that she table a no-confidence in the parliament. I'm
assumin
> g
> even you don't have "substantial" proof that the elections were not rigged.


I would say that if you there is no proof taht electioons were rigged
then they were fair and I'm sure most people would agree too.

> And BTW, I never knew that US monitoring team was sent by Allah... Do you
> really believe their saying something can be used as substantial proof? 

Me neither....so what's your point

When
> do you call something a proof anyway.

When it convinces you of a fact

>  
> >> Aren't we forgetting what happenned in 1990.... The incumbent Prime
Ministe
> r
> >> was removed. The leader of the opposition was made the caretaker Prime
> >Ministe
> >> r
> >> and given the responsibility to hold fair-and-free elections... Has anyone
> >> heard of something so ridiculous before... 
> >And what is so ridiculous about that. Its the law that states that
> >anyone can be appointed caretaker PM and it just so hppens that a
> >corrupt govenment was thrown out and I don't think anyone in the right
> >mind would appoint somebody from the same camp as PM
>  
> I never suggested that someone from her camp be appointed caretaker
PM. I stil
> l
> find appointing someone from the opposition as ridiculous. Someone
less partis
> an
> could have been tried. And please don't tell me there aren't any
unbiased peop
> le
> in Pakistan.

If they are how about naming them............I'd like to know

>  
> Moreover, what substantial proof do you have about Ms. Bhutto's government's
> being corrupt?? I have been trying to follow the cases on Mr. Zardari and I
> am not really aware of a single case on which he has been proven guilty... so
> far, all decisions have been showing him innocent.

Well she was thrown out wasn't she and I'm sure GIK didn't just do it
cause he felt bored and had nothing else to do,.

>  
> >>  
> >> How can any sane person expect fair and free elections after this... 
> >Well if that's the case then no elections can be considered fair unless
> >the incumbent loses.......
>  
> Wrong again... please read what I have said above... appointing the
opposition
>  
> leader as caretaker PM does indeed say much more than that...
No it doesn't. If the incumbent isn't doing a good job let the oppostion
have a go and see what they do cause they always say they can do a
better job so let them have a chance and that is exactly what GIk
considered when he appointed Jatoi (now in BB's camp) the CT PM
>  
> >>  
> >> Nadeem
> >
> >Asad Iqbal
>  
> Nadeem
>  
Asad Iqbal (again)
From: Faraz.Akbar@newcastle.ac.uk (Faraz Akbar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: e-mail to lahore
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:09:10 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


BUNDERS UNITED
From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ? No Way !!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:27:11 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov22.234012.7197@sol.cs.wmich.edu>, sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
> In article <1992Nov22.224657.8896@njitgw.njit.edu>, fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu (Farhan Muhammad) writes:
>> In article <cf3zdWu00WBO434bho@andrew.cmu.edu> ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>> >Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
>> >?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
>> >>  
>> >>        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
>> >>         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
>> >> champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
>> >> believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
>> >> two women. This is Grabage."
>> >>  
>> >> So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
>> >> No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
>> >> paradise. 
>> >>  
>> >> What you guys think ?
>> >That's a very sensitive issue.
>> >I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
>> >atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
>> >work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
>> >just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
>> >go pray every Friday afternoon.
>> >
>> >Asad
>> 
>> 
>> 	Praying every Friday afternoon doesnot make you muslim....
>> 
>> 	you have to beleif and trust every single aspect of islam..


 Farhan..



Well Asad Sahib...
  
          Islam is a complete religion and its a religion that is going to last 
          till the day of judgement...so is a very wrong statement that "
everything that worked 1400 years ago can work in these times" so i believe you
should find out more about Islam..before saying such things on the net....

You don't need  respond to this.....


Ahmed
From: shah@orange.tutee.tut.ac.jp (Q. H. Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Paki BASTARDS
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:55:47 GMT
Organization: Kanto Lab., Dept. Ener. Eng., Toyohashi Univ. Tech.

Dear Pakistani Brothers and Sisters

Please ignore replying to this Willnecker. Just avoid him. He seems to be
representative of American thought like Reagon used to use dirty language
against Palestinians. Actually this is what the americans are. We do not
have to worry about them. Most of them are Kafir and will go to hell. They
do not listen. So let them go to hell. We should not use a language like
americans. 
--

         Shah


         Every time I did it, I thought I wouldn't do it again.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan