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From: juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:25:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.211949.8809@ncar.ucar.edu> rosinski@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Jim Rosinski) writes:
> gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.191913.8438@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>
>> It does not deny homosexuals equal rights.
>> ...it denies
>> gays the use of the legal system to correct alleged cases of discrimination.
>>
>>Your self contradictions are showing, Dahlink.
>>
>>			-Tom
>
>Not necessarily.  From the text you have highlighted, it is clear that your
>definition of "rights" involves the "legal system".  In other words, a right
>can come or go depending on what is legal or illegal.

Bzzt!  Thank you for playing, but,....

> To some people (me for
>one) a right is that which is yours by your nature as a human being.  It is
>not subject to negotiation, and can only be *recognized*, not *defined* by
>what the law says.

Ah, yes, yet another lunatic Randroid.  What they, and you, seem never to
realized is that an abstract right which is "yours by nature" but unrecognized
by society/government/the legal system/&c is essentially useless.  Even the
heralded "right to think" (of which Randroids are so fond) doesn't exist if
there are packs of armed thugs wandering around dosing people forcibly with
mind-altering drugs.  I submit that there is no "right" you can name which
cannot be repeatedly violated by gangs of thugs with enough resources behind
them.

	- kitten
From: ELAWRENCE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: KKKramer Among Us (was "A Strand of Bigotry")
Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:59:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I thought that my original posting would cause KKKlayton KKKramer to rear his
head and start spewing his usual verbal vomit, and I was right. It has been
good to see since then, in other postings, people point out that KKKramer NEVER
actually proves anything except that he is consumed by his own malevolence.
KKKramer is clearly obsessed with homosexuals (mainly gay men) in precisely
the same way that Hitler was obsessed with Jews. The idea that KKKramer's
intended victims would DARE to defend themselves from him and others like him
obviously drives KKKramer to distraction, hence his hysterical outburst at my
original posting and his repeated malicious lie about a "homosexual fascist
lobby." Let's face it--KKKramer knows full well (unless he is psychotic) that
there is no such thing. However, since he is, as stated above, consumed by his
own malevolence, he repeatedly tries to use Hitler's patented (figuratively)
Big Lie technique in the hopes that some of the bigoted filth he slings around
will stick to his intended victims. It isn't often that we see glaring
examples of pustulent bigotry. KKKramer is one such example. I have noted that
his ravings on talk.politics.misc draw little, if any support. Anyone reading
that group can see that there are MANY people in the group who are not at all
likely to be gay-positive. Nevertheless, they do not rush to his defense. Of
course, KKKramer will probably claim that that is an example of the influence
of the (gag) "homosexual fascist lobby." Dealing with the likes of KKKlayton
KKKramer is a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

"In the time of the locust, it is given to us to see such things." M. John
   Harrison

Edgar J. Lawrence II
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:55:57 GMT

In article <RHAYDEN.92Nov16180802@hqsun2.oracle.com> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>
>   For some people it would not be the same. For some people being Gay is not
>   an inborn thing but a disorder.
>
>What information to you have to back this up?  Not the American
>Psychiatric Association.  Not any respectable organization of
>physicians that I know of.
>

I am saying that some people believe it, not that that is the scientific 
explanation.
Some people even believe that there is a god.



>Pretty big statement to make.
>
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AAP
From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: what to do in holland?
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:12:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov18.161239.28121
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Anyone have any must-sees/dos for Amsterdam or Utrecht?  If so, please send mail.

thanks

--tom

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As Zeus said to Narcissus, "Watch yourself."
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:02:04 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <17945@autodesk.COM>, mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov15.202552.4778@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
|> 
|> >   To
|> >   everybody else he is a pop icon, fashion icon and now gay
|> >   icon.'
|> 
|> I still say he wants slapping around a bit to wipe that impudent smile off
|> his face;

Kneeling, hands tied behind his back, getting the
attitude slapped out of him and then fucked like
the worthless piece of shit that he is.

Works for me.


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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:20:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov18.071134.8129@reed.edu> <69798@cup.portal.com>
  <46117@ogicse.ogi.edu>

Mark Morrissey writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>I have to say that my favorite cheese of all is Tillamook Medium
>>Cheddar;
>
>bummer, if you would have said Tillamook *sharp* cheddar, I would
>have proposed.

Oh my.  I'm not sure if this means you have an incredible
fondness for TSC, that I made a better impression at motss.con
than I imagined, or both.....  ;-)

Actually, I do enjoy the Sharp as well; part of the problem is
that the Heathen supermarkets around here don't carry it as
regularly as the Medium.

Drat. Now I'm getting hungry, and there isn't a *speck* of
cheese in the house. I guess I'll have to go to the market.
 
() Tact is the ability to describe others as they see
() themselves.
()      -- Abraham Lincoln
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: SUCKING on RIVER PHOENIX (was Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves))
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:07:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <By16E5.9r0@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk
Johanning) wrote:

> BTW, I live for that scene!!  Just the thought of making River's eyes
> roll back and then ... well I don't think that the rest needs any 
> explanation (for those of you who have not seen the movie, GO SEE IT).

Yes!  Yes!  And then hit <stop> - or, even better, make liberal
use of the fast-forward search capabilities of your VCR...  There
is another movie where River almost gets sucked dry.  I don't 
remember the name.  He plays a teenager about to go off to college.
Has a pseudo-Fitzgerald flavor (all his friends are weatlthy 
aristocrats).  Very frustrating, seeing all that River-skin...
(decidedly heterosexual flick, however).

*X*
Xref: sparky soc.motss:48111 alt.politics.homosexuality:7323 co.politics:2156
From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:02:14 GMT

in article <Nov16.200447.36650@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, wallsj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey joel walls) says:
> Xref: drutx soc.motss:6278 alt.politics.homosexuality:7717 co.politics:442 co.general:2039 talk.politics.misc:40947
> Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu
> 
>>The Governor is not trying to get the Amendment declared unconstitutional,
>>nor can he legally do any such thing. His job is to enforce the laws of
>>the State, regardless of his opinions about them. In fact, he and the
>>Attroney General are _required_ to defend Amendment 2 in court.
> 
>   Well, possibly, but why was he on TV saying that he was against
>   2 and would do anything possible to declare the amendment
>   unconstitutional?
> 

Romer was very careful in what he said about Amendment #2.  First, he said that
he thought the amemdment was Unconstitutional because of the 14th Amendment to
the U.S. Constitution.  Second, he said that he thought that discrimination on
the basis of sexual orientation was wrong and he would not allow that kind of
discrimination in his employ (Romer is, in effect, CEO of a 50,000 employee
organization, State of Colorado government).  Last, he said that he was swarn
to uphold the constitution of the State of Colorado, and therefore, he legally
had to abide by the letter of the law.  I don't recall him ever saying he would
do anything to cause Amendment #2 to be overturned -- and I was at the events
at which he spoke.  Who knows what sound bite the TV news took out of context.

  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  kpm@druhi.att.com  AT&T Bell Labs, Denver  (303) 538-3511
633 E. 11th Ave.					 1991 BMW K75RT	  
Denver, CO  80203	_NOT_ a 2nd Class Coloradoan!	       DoD #106
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Subject: gayfolk and cats
Reply-To: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:53:47 EST

BC>I believe that there is something about cats, something very basic and
BC>primal, that strikes a chord with gayfolk.  As frequent victims of the
BC>brutish and uncultured, we appreciate their grace and beauty of form.
BC>As a group that has been told who to love and who not to love, we admire
BC>their defiance; their love must be is earned, and can never be compelled.
BC>As a people who have learned to survive, we respect their tenacity and
BC>force of will; we understand about claws, and when it's time to flee.

He he!  This is probably the first time something has been crossposted
between soc.motss and rec.pets.cats...  pretty creative!

Paul D. Bobbitt
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Calendars (was Re: Cheese-Louise)
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:04:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov24.050413.17178
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Tangent boy's faithful sidekick strikes again!

In article <1992Nov23.173833.3126@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>BTW, was Charles Fort gay? He invented a great calendar..

>	Is that the one with 13 motnhs of 28 days?  Then ouy
>have either one or two leap days every year

yep! You still want 365.24 days a year - mucking with that would be a
nightmare. So you have an extra day in the year to fill out the normal
slack, and than a leap day every four years. These extra days are
world-wide holidays.

>The bad thing is that there will never be a Blue Moon.  Of course
>there are the months that will have NO Full Moon every now and
>then...

solar calendars play hell with moon-based religious systems.

>The big question is what to name the 13th month!

I think Fort proposed renaming all the months, but I'm not sure to
what. We could have a contest. For an initial proposal, I suggest 13
names of Lovecraft entities. Today would be the 20th day in the month
of Yog-Sothoth.

>I'm sure that the majorr opponents to this other calendar would be
>the Church...

... and business, and government, and the population. No one wants to
change the calendar. It goes beyond being a pain in the butt - I think
a lot of people derive some essential sense of identity from knowing
it is "November 23".

Two hacks I've always wanted to do:
  a digital clock that is tuned to the length of a day on Jupiter's
equator.
  a UNIX machine that spits out Fortean calendar dates.

OK, so I'm a nerd.
                __
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:41:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.235608.22978@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>#This really pisses me off!  Right now in Colorado (and you obviously don't
>#live here, so what do you care?) the governor is trying to find a way to
>#have the amendment declared unconstitutional.  

>And the sooner the governor (or someone) gets the law declared
>unconstitional, the sooner any boycott would end.

The Governor is not trying to get the Amendment declared unconstitutional,
nor can he legally do any such thing. His job is to enforce the laws of
the State, regardless of his opinions about them. In fact, he and the
Attroney General are _required_ to defend Amendment 2 in court.

                                             Frank Crary
                                             CU Boulder

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: The Hate Gene (was Re: Social Democracy)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 01:08:45 GMT


In article <1992Nov15.235855.24673@netcom.com>
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M.  Solovay) writes:

>I guess I'm not the only misogynist on soc.motss...

So?  That's a defense?

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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anti-Leftist Epithets (was Re: A Strand of Bigotry)
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:15:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov22.014158.25303@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
M. Solovay) wrote:

> "Totalitarian tinkerbell" has a certain alliterative charm, but I
> think it's had its day. My suggestion: Henceforth we should talk
> about people who want to turn soc.motss into a "fascist Faerie".
> 
> Any takers?

Well, if 'Totalitarian Tinkerbell' must go the way of the zwahibi
bird, so be it.  But it *does* have a lovely alliterative lilt.
'Fascist Faerie" is certainly a decent substitute.  Are repeated
soft sounds alliterative?

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:00:48 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) wrote: 
->Well, having been in error over Marky's affiliation with the New
->Kids, I must say I *believe* that you will find Vanilla Ice captured
->photographic-like in SEX...  

this is true ... but i have to wonder what she was thinking of when
she chose mr ice ... "gee, i wanna dork wannabe in the picture."  

i think a fire hydrant would have been a better prop.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: llp7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Linda L. Phillips)
Subject: Call for Artwork and Art Papers
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:28:19 GMT

              CALL FOR ARTWORK AND ART PAPERS
               FOR THE SPRING 1993 ISSUE OF
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If you are interested in contributing to IRIS, please submit two clear copies
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Original artwork should be submitted in the form of high quality black and
white prints or halftones.  We welcome work pertaining to women's issues
and women's involvement in the arts, and are particularly interested in
featuring experimental, less conventional work.

Art features may be reviews, interviews, or essays on contemporary or
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From: melanie@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.EDU (Melanie Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Name changing
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Reply-To: msh@uiuc.EDU
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:46:44 GMT

ohegarty@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca writes:

>I am just furious after recieving my alumni newletter in the mail last
>night and I would like to know if this happens to others.
>
>My husband and I graduated from the same university and when we got married

[...inability of database programmers to understand social realities detailed
here...]

>even do that any more (and hasn't for a while).  Aren't universities
>supposed to be progressive institutions?
>
>It's bad enought socially when people assume you've changed your name, but
>when institutions do I feel frustrated and saddened...
>
>Anybody else had this kind of experience?

a somewhat similar thing happened to my husband. he recieved notice in
the mail reminding him to pay his income tax. we thought this odd as we
filed jointly, and have received our refund check (so they must have
the return, right?) he called the irs and was told 'yours was the first
name on the form, right? no, your wife's name was first? well, thats
unusual! anyway, since your wife was first on the form, and we assume
the husband's name is first, the computer kicked you out as having not
filed.'

*aiiiggggggghhh*

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From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.EDU (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Camille Paglia is GOD! was Re: camille paglia
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:03:42 GMT

Jason R. Pascucci <jasonp@PRIMERD.Prime.COM> writes:

>I could go on, she has so many quoteworthy phrases and
>sentiments, but, basically, read the book...
>A healthy attitude about sex, a healthy attitude about danger
>and living in a modern society, a healthy attitude about men
>and women, and the DIFFERENCES between them. All things
>very nice, and necessary, to prosper in life. It's definitely
>a two thumbs up.

>With Love,

>Jason R. Pascucci
>jasonp@primerd.prime.com
>Disclaimer: These don't represent the view of my employer. Don't sue.

Healthy attitude? I read a chapter of Sexual Persona, and, while
there were some things I found true and incisive, there was
an awful lot which wasn't...

What about her comments about mathematics? Saying that the historical
almost complete absence of women from research mathematics is not
likely to (or shouldn't) change. Saying that mathematics represents a
"masculine" way of thinking.

Most research mathematicians would very strongly disagree with her!

What about her saying that the female genitals are "ugly" compared
to the male equipment? Real healthy thing to teach young women...

Lenore Levine

P.S. I would very much like to see Camille Paglia explain why
the derivative of x^2 is 2x. Or Timothy Leary write a program
in Pascal...

Then I'd take those techno-"visionaries" much more seriously.

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From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Fasting Girls (a book review)
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:37:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
Originator: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu

On a note vaguely related to the subject matter of the book reviewed
in the previous post a survey of dietary attitudes was published in
the UK yesterday and reported on the Radio 4 'Today Programme' this
morning.

It seems that 6 out of 10 women and 5 out of 10 men are worried about
being overweight so it seems that there is greater pressure on women
in this area. It also appears that those who are not worried about 
what they eat tend to be in general healthier than those that are
worried after being matched for other health factors. 

It would be interesting to see any statistics showing the change in the
number [of women] who are worried about their weight over recent decades
and whether these can be realted to external factors in any way. 

Perhaps this information might be contained in 'Fasting Girls' 

		Aaron Turner		aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
	



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