From: ericth@i88.isc.com (Eric Thiele)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Finding toxic waste (Re: Flying for the Environment)
Keywords: ponds, plumes, piles, and stains
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:37:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug25.193750.26122
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

>John De Armond (jgd@dixie.com) write
>Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	And this is something you're proud of?  The Mouth part I believe.
	Your views speak for the entire South?  I doubt it.  I hope not.

>econazi ... zealot .... twinket's babbling
	Nice diplomatic choice of words.  Intelligent, reasonable discussion.

>Kinda begs the question of whether it is any of your business or not
>too, now doesn't it?
	You're pouring poison into my water supply, and just 'cuz you're doing
	it on your precious private property, I don't have a right to look at
	what you're up to and call the cops to stop you?  Get real.

	If you're gonna stand on your rights, you don't own the air.  If you're
	up to no good, and you're stupid enough not to hide it from planes,
	that's your problem.  If someone thinks you're up to no good and you 
	aren't, you just paid the price for living in a society with
	other people.  The police bother you once, find out what the real
	story is, and leave you alone.  That's how it works, whether you like
	it or not.

>Am I the only one frightened by this kind of meddling?
	You call it meddling.  I call it being vigilant.  Do you really believe
	that you have a right to do whatever you want on your private property
	even if it's something that poisons everyone for miles around?  Do you
	really believe I don't have even an equal right to tattle to the cops 
	if I spot you doing it?  If you *do* belive that, *that*'s what 
	frightens me.
	
>Drug Warriers against the Constitution
	That's Warriors.  And where's the rationalizing you claim in Margaret's
	article?  She clearly explained what to look for.

>I almost didn't post here for fear of raising the noise level but I've read 
>just about enough of this little twinket's babbling without saying something.
	Thanx so much for sharing your coherent, reasoned and carefully worded
	thoughts with the whole world.

>There is a discussion going on over in talk.politics.guns
>about an innocent woman who was murdered while trying to shelter her 
>babies by a machine-gun wielding SWAT member conducting a no-knock raid 
	What in blazes does this have to do with Margaret, the environment, or
	rec.aviation?  If you've got a problem with her, why not use email to
	her, and save the rest of the net from your political views.
>based only on a tip from a drug dealer.
	Sounds like the cops shot someone they shouldn't have.  What's that got
	to do with having acted on a tip?   What's a DEA raid got to do with
	a pilot calling the cops when they see someone up to no good?
	
	So, if you spot someone breaking into my house, you aren't gonna call
	the cops, 'cuz that's being a tipster?  Man, am I glad you aren't *my*
	neighbor.  Do you understand how societies work?  Do you know that laws
	are everyone's responsibility to obey *AND* enforce?

I don't agree with your views but that's OK - it's a free country.

I really don't appreciate your using rec.aviation to vent frustration and
state what sound like political views.  And especially resorting to name
calling.

I think Margaret is doing "the right thing".  Maybe sharing it in rec.aviation
is too political, though.  A lot of other netters seem to have a problem with
it

Eric Thiele