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From: smbaker@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Svlad Cjelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:07:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Apr8.080727.3479
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Well, it's time for my $1.02
(yes, now is the time to go get something from the fridge and put out the cat..)

C & H is one of the coolest comic strips out there right now.  You never
read a C & H strip and think ..hmph..I could have done better!  I also like
Pogo, even the new revival of it, but it was removed from my local paper,
(who knows why...).  But I have one great loyalty the to Most Awesome Of
All Comic Strips Ever: Bloom County!!!!  This was a Great comic strip (although
I have to admit when I first read the original strips when I was younger,
I didn't get many of them, but now when I read them in one of the books,
they are hilariously funny!) and I was very sad to see it go.  Outland is
a far cry from BC on the funny chart, because 1) it is Sunday only so you
never get any really good, three month plot lines, and 2) a strip based on
Ronald Ann just isn't as good as one based on the whole BC crew, even if
it still has a few of the same characters.  But the plot lines are the big
difference.  I still think one of the best series of BC cartoons was when
Oliver Wendel Jones made his pigmentizer, causing Cutter and Opus to get
lost at sea, to cause Opus to have amnesia (which, of course, led to his
very sexy nose-job), to get Bill traded to the Russians, and all sorts of other
wierd happenings.  This is something that take years to complete in a
Sunday only comic.  Personally, I think that BC outranks C&H in total
hilarity, but if you don't care for political cuts, wierd insanity, and
unbelievable plot lines, you probably would like C&H better (but personally
I live for each of those!!!)
Well, that's all(?) I have to say!  Respond all you like!!

BILL -n- OPUS in 92 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Sean Baker
     smbaker@waltz.cc.purdue.edu

(I really should make an actuall .sig sometime......)
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: C & H number one!?
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:10:20 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr8.171631.4531@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>
>Doonesbury is rarely funny, although I love to see Trudeau zing Geo
>Bush, etc.  

Judging _Doonesbury_ by the strips from the recent past (say 5 to 10 years)
is rather like judging Ingrid Bergman's beauty from the movie "Cactus Flower".
You missed the best, by many years.

For a strip that peaked back when BD met Phred, _DB_ is hanging on pretty
well, I'd say.


-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
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From: evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville)
Subject: Re: Calvin and Hobbes Question
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:01:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.201642.8497@nic.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>Question:
>
>Calvin and Hobbes, (especially in the Sunday comics), seems to be a lot of
>old stuff.  Some look familiar, some don't.  Does anybody know what's going
>on, there?  What's Watterson doing, did he take a vacation somewhere along the
>line...?
He took 'time off'. I think it was about 9 months. The new strips have
started up again(sometime within the past month or two).
cow-vine and hoe-beez......
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From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: The Best Far Side cartoon
Keywords: far side gary larson
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:20:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: pacificr.3363
Organization: Banzai Institute

My favorite: a garden with three tall lovely flowers and a short weed; the
weed's looking up with a worried smile, trying very hard to look pretty
and useful... and the shadow of the gardener with a hoe extends over the
scene.
-- 
 Jim Gillogly | Actually the Bush administration is just preparing the public
 jim@rand.org | for its planned confiscation of Panama under RICO. Dan Eldred
From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Commercialization of strips (was Clavin & Hobbes question)
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:06:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydrox-c.JEFFT.92Apr10010556
	<1992Apr8.171237.4360@techbook.com> <1992Apr10.022549.28651@udel.edu>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr10.022549.28651@udel.edu> wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr) writes:

   The point is, Charles Schultz, despite his posturing, gave into the
   temptation of commercialization.  And what a temptation:  $25 million
   income last year alone!

Bloom County did an excellent dig on this with Opus being sold insurance by
snoopy an given a "stale Dolly Madison cupcake".
 
--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
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From: plu@math.psu.edu (Todd Andrew Simpson)
Subject: Re: Rerun and The Worst Strip (was Re: Peanuts)
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Pennsylvania State University
	<1992Apr9.152027.24561@urbana.mcd.mot.com>	<apple.702913191@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>,<??cH?9=m6@cs.psu.edu>
	<1992Apr13.192233.9750@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:33:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.192233.9750@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com!baylor writes:

   (Am I the only one who remembers 5's last name?)

As I recall, it's 95472 - the zip code in which the 95472 family resided.
I once looked it up and found that it's somewhere in or around Santa Rosa,
California, which I think is where Schulz lives.  Another thing - 5 is not
5's full first name.  (I know what it is; am I the only one?)  (Why do I
still remember this stuff, anyway?)
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.strips:315 soc.culture.canada:3247 soc.culture.usa:2838
From: irvine@en.ecn.purdue.edu (B-rent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:40:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

> Mostly it's about people and their lives and jobs. What specifically
> would you like her to add that's Canadian? 
> 
This reminds me of the infamous Mackenzie (sp?) borthers.

Weren't they the comedic response to having to have 10 minutes of
'Canadian Cultural Programming' per hour of TV?


-- 
Brent Irvine						irvine@ecn.purdue.edu 
 
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Sally Forth stuff ... Was Re: stupid strips
Keywords: Sally Forth
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:48:50 GMT

flournoy@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Raymond Suke Flournoy) writes:


>  Sally Forth must take the award for the longest sustained smirk of
>any character!  Can't Howard/Mac draw *any* other expression?  When
>she is being sarcastic (oh, about 85% of the time) the smirk is
>appropriate I guess, but all the other times it just makes her look,
>well, *crazed*!  My roommate and I are wondering whether the smirk is
>some sinister foreshadowing of Sally eventually snapping, and turning
>into a serial killer.  Hey, it could happen.  And it would be more
>entertaining, too!  

Hey, there you go!  How about a "Sally Forth" movie, with Bonnie 
Bedelia in the title role, with the plot centered around Sally freaking
out and slaughtering the family...only to discover that the TRUE 
culprit is that "Not Me" phantom from the Family Circus!

(Sorry...the preceding concept is the direct result of a low caffiene
level in the writer's bloodstream and should not be taken seriously.)

                                          --Steve Stelter
                                         sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: gt4646a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Beauchamp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Needed: COMPLETE bibliography for C&H
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:55:14 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


 Jaye Mathisen writes:
>Don't forget:
>
>	-Scientific Progress goes Boink
>
>	and the new one,
>
>	-Attack of the Deranged Mutant Killer Snow Goons.  Or somesuch.

My younger sister came back from a semester studying in Mexico with 
a C&H book called "Calvin y Hobbes 4". Wonder how many other languages
they've been translated into.

-- 
Rob Beauchamp                           \  It's better to be rich and healthy
Georgia Institute of Technology           \    than poor and sick.    
Disclaimer: Back off, man. I'm a scientist. \    -- Dave Barry's mother
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Serious strips: Rip Kirby, Spidey, Rex Morgan, MD
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:03:30 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr8.120141.5915@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen C. Miller) writes:
>I never read these strips as a kid.  I never read these strips as an
>adult.  In the past year I've started reading them.  Man, are they ever
>WONDERFUL!
>
>Rip Kirby, for instance.  Not a widespread strip, I think, and like many
>of the "seriuos" strips (all the ones in the paper here in Bloomington,
>at least) it is permanently stuck in some wierdly transformed version of
>the 50s.  Rip's a wealthy bachelor who solves crimes and has a chaste
>relationship with a babe.  Has a manservant.
>
	Unfortunately, Rip hasn't appeared locally for many years.  I believe
thge strip goes back 40 years or more but wouldn't bet the ranch on that.  I
do recall that it was fairly well-drawn in a sort of slick 60s comic-book
style.
>Spidey is obviuosly the best.
>
	Yeah, well, here we diverge.  I frankly can't stand the Spiderman
strip.  Plotlines are not only silly but stretched out far beyond their limit.
And the writing is bad even by strip standards.
	Personally, I miss some of the truly mutant Marvel-derived strips of
earlier years.  I was disappointed, for example, that Howard the Duck was as
short-lived as it was.  Ditto for the Conan the Barbarian strip.

>Rex Morgan is more problematic.  The strip has a real action problem, as
>in there is none.  But after a certain long period, it is possible to
>come to an appreciation of the sheer redundancy and meaninglessness of
>the strip.  The current plot, frinstance, concerns an old woman who is
>either overmedicating or has a cross-medication conflict, which makes
>her sort of demented.  Her cold but apparently somewhat well-intentioned
>neice is about to put her in a nursing home.  But her unreliable friend
>is about to rip the old lady off for 15000.  Thrills, excitement. It's
>taken about 6 months to get this far into the plot.  
>
	Yeah, I think the authors of Spiderman are moonoighting over there....
>Anybody else a fan of the serious serials?
>
	Yeah, depending on the serial.  Is Steve Roper and Mike Nomad still
around?  Local paper dropped it about five years ago.  I even read Brenda Starr
at times (oh, all right, SHOOT me!).  The current plot line about sexual
harrassment is actually rather good so far, albeit wildly unbelievable.  But
then, so is the whole strip.
>
>-- 
>--------------------
>=Steve Miller	 		    stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
>		(Former rock star turned grad student)
>  Happyhappy joyjoy happyhappy joyjoy happyhappy joyjoy happyhappy joyjoy
Chuck
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From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Jim's Journal
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:28:42 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr9.145716.3456@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Has anyone else seen a strip called "Jim's Journal?"  We get it at
>Amherst, but it seems not to be distributed very widely.  This is kind
>of an existentialist/minimalist strip with a small but pretty
>dedicated following here and at UMass.  I was wondering if New England
>has the only pocket of "Jim's Journal" fans in the country.

Nope.  I think it appears in college newspapers nationwide.  I used to see it
in the University of Illinois daily, and I think it originates in Wisconsin.

Neat strip...sort of the Steven Wright of comics...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Request for FARSIDE comic strip.
Keywords: farside request
Reply-To: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:51:32 GMT


Anybody out there have the FARSIDE book entitled 
         "It came from the Farside"
and has access to both a copy machine and a fax machine?

If so could you please email me (rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) so I can
receive a photocopy of page 69 by fax.  Since I know that there are so
*many* generous people who would like to help, I do not want to post
my available fax number in fear of 1000+ replies.  I would really
appreciate it if some one person could help me out and be patient
enoungh to correspond via email to fill my request.


Thanks in advance,

Rob C.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Rick O'Shay
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 06:17:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Do any old-timers here remember a strip called "Rick O'Shay"?  I
remember reading it in the LA Times back in the late '60's--early '70's.

The main characters were Rick (a yound marshall in the Olde West),
his sweetheart, the schoolteacher, Gaye Abandon, and Hipshot, a
curmudgeonly old gunfighter with a good heart.

I believe the author was named Stan Lynde (not really sure), and that
he was (is?) an artist who lived in Montana.

Anyhow, this was, IMHO, a great strip--really well-drawn and funny.
Were any Rick O'Shay books ever published?  Are any available today?


--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)
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Subject: Tank MacNamara
From: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:03:18 GMT
Reply-To: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

I used to love this strip. I was upset when the Chicago Tribune took it out
of the Sports Section. It was great how the strip would always parallel what
was happening in the real sports world. Some of my favs:

Referring to Bo Jackson taking up football as a hobby...
	Two defensive linemen looking over the battered body of a running back
        and saying, "You should try stamp collecting as a hobby!"

This came out two days before Mike Tyson Vs. Buster Douglas...
	Champ to his manager: "What's this guy's name?"
        Manager: "It doesn't matter. Hurry up! We have a plane to catch in
                  a half hour!"

This came out one week after the Douglas upset over Tyson...
	Flashes back to Tyson saying, "What's this guy's name?"
        Shows Dougals standing over Tyson's knocked out body, "That's
Douglas...
                D-O-U-G-L-A-S"

It had some funny stuff.
					Tony
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From: wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)
Subject: Re: Peanuts
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.073813.2663@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>In article <1992Apr08.224245.4794@onetouch.COM> csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:
>>Unfortunately, Schulz seems to have lost it.  He hasn't done anything
>>good since the early 70's.  I've caught him repeating strips a lot
>>lately.  It's a shame.
>>The day is stops running I'll just shake my head and say "I saw it coming."
>>Sorry, people.  I loved the strip, but its empty now.
>
>	Yeah, I really feel the same way too. (Although I never adopted
>any nicknames stemming from it.)  It was once really good--  or at least
>I remember it being really good once, but it no longer does it have
>that spunk and vitality that it used to.

To me, the big marker stone for the decline of Peanuts was in 1989 or
1990 or so, when Schulz abondoned the 4 panel format in his daily strips.
For over 40 years he had done the strip in four panels,and the day I saw
a non-four panel strip of peanuts, I knew the end was near.  I still remember
thinking the story that was happening just shortly before was good, solid
Schulz, and was sorry I could not follow it on a daily basis.  Then I saw
the one panel and two panel throw-away strips, and realized that that story
I was unable to follow was probably the last of the classic style Peanuts 
stories there would ever be.  I was saddened.

>  I'm still hoping, however, that
>when the strip does finally die, that someone will publish a "Complete
>Peanuts" or something like that.  Alas, alack.  Not with a bang, but a
>whimper.
>
I hope they publish a definitive, chronological collection too.

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From: ebu@nucleus.hut.fi (Graphics Exercise)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: C&H translated where? (Was: Re: Needed: COMPLETE)
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:54:51 GMT
	<1992Apr8.010938.20667@ncar.ucar.edu>
	<1992Apr8.145629.25882@coe.montana.edu> <53938@hydra.gatech.EDU>
	<taube.350@oregon.uoregon.edu> <1992Apr9.105957.904@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


   >Wonder how many other languages
   >they've been translated into.

   Calvin & Hobbes are also very popular in Norway.  There is a Calvin & Hobbes
   magazine, the books (at least some of them) have been translated and many
   newspapers have strips on a daily basis.

   In Norwegian, Calvin & Hobbes are called Tommy og Tigern (Tommy and the Tiger).

Count Finland in. They're called 'Lassi ja Leevi', something like 
'Bill and Bob'  (install your favorite names here..). Talk about translation.. I prefer to read them in English.
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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Peanuts baseball team
Keywords: peanuts, baseball
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:00:11 GMT

In <1992Apr14.153942.17649@intelhf.hf.intel.com> eshen@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Eric Shen) writes:

>steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:

>>Who were all the members of Charlie Brown's baseball team?  I know
>>they consistently have had

>>SP Charlie Brown (apx 0-600 lifetime)
>>RP Linus         (at least 5-0 lifetime)
>>C  Schroeder
>>SS Snoopy  (One short of Babe Ruth's HR record)
>>RF Lucy

>>Can anyone construct a complete lineup and roster?

>Linus definitely plays 2nd base.  Remember all the times when
>Snoopy would catch the ball in his mouth and spit it to Linus
>who threw onto first for the double play?

>In the last 70's, Snoopy had a stint in the outfield.  He robbed
>somebody of a homerun by catching the ball in his mouth and was
>awarded the Golden Mouth Award.

>Rerun is merely a spectator.  However, he was caught betting
>on games (ala Pete Rose).

Re-run had at least one plate appearance before he was banned
from baseball.  I *think* he played outfield (backup to the girls?),
but I'm not sure.

>The girls, Frieda and Violet, play in the outfield.  They spent
>many a day chatting out a storm out there.

>For 1st and 3rd base, i think they're uncovered.  That's why
>Charlie Brown loses all the time. :)

>Eric Shen
>(eshen@pcocd2.intel.com)
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From: wagenfuh@huey.udel.edu (Karl Wagenfuehr)
Subject: Re: For Better or for Worse
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:19:52 GMT

In article <UCIE347@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>We don't read the paper that runs For Better or For Worse here anymore
>because we dropped it over a protest of an idiot reporter that wrote
>a defamatory article about the Internet so I'm a little out of touch
>with this strip.

At the risk of opening old wounds, I'm curious what this idiot reporter
wrote about the internet.  I've never seen the Internet mentioned in
the "real world", and I'm interested in what kind of misinformation has
been spread to the unwashed masses...
-- 
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From: Iskandar Taib <ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: stupid strips
Keywords: dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:27:09 -0500

In article <ku4h55INN7q4@aludra.usc.edu> hozman@aludra.usc.edu (The Hoz!!!) writes:
>dove@elaine9.Stanford.EDU (Dav Somebody) writes:

>>Hey, what do you think the stupidest strips out there are?



Oh I forgot to mention. The absolute worst strip anywhere on 
Earth has got to be something called Victor Spitt - it appears
in the local student paper, the Indiana Daily Student. Its sup-
posedly a running joke among the IDS staff. (Mebbe I'll scan a 
couple and post em as GIFs somewhere and see if you agree. D__m
the copyrights, full speed ahead!)




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From: buccb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Subject: Re: Best Long Time Strip/Gahan Wilson/Cutter John
Organization: Carlos` Wonderful Wacky World of Tunafish 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:18:46 GMT

In a previous episode on rec.arts.comics.strips,
dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) drops complete science:

>>	All the others I really like revolve around Oliver. I will
>>never ever forget the one where he is hacking and upon breaking into
>>someone else's computer, dons a head scarf and wields a sword, 
>>yelling, "Abast, ye maties! We's a comin' aboard and we wants all
>>the booty!" My friends and I still use that damn line when we are
>>conquering something :).
>
>Actually, wasn't it
>
>	"Avast, ye corporate swabbies!  Prepare to be boarded!"
>
>or something more like that?  I definitely remember the word "swabbies"...

	Yeah, it was. I forgot, but U get the picture :)
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