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From: dpaxton@ut-emx.uucp (Debi Paxton)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
Subject: Re: raising children
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:15:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.polyamory
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>
>I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
>taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting, 
>and one on relationships.
>

Courses on parenting are a help, but not nearly enough. Our parenting style,
and our ways of relating, are pretty deeply ingrained and tend to either
replicate or be the opposite of what our parents did.  Learning to act
differently is a long, bloody process.  

My negativity may be due to having just hosted my parents for a week-long
visit.


-- 
"Never imitate consciously, but do not worry about being an imitator;
take pains instead to admire what is good."

Debi Paxton                             		dpaxton@emx.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.sex,alt.pagan
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Religious bigot ?
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:23:04 GMT


>Bigot comes from an
>old French word, and has nothing to do with begat.  Sheesh, some people...

Not only that, this entire discussion has little to do with any of the
newsgroups that it's being cross-posted to. Please, if you want to
continue this thread, redirect it to a more appropriate place. Thanks.
Xref: sparky alt.polyamory:1848 alt.romance:14389 soc.singles:31466 alt.sex:37094 alt.pagan:13176 sci.lang:8148
From: landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.sex,alt.pagan,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Religious bigot ?
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:12:22 GMT
Followup-To: sci.lang
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bang.hal.com

In article <1992Nov20.062708.3878@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) writes:
>Anyway, if you look in the dictionary (the ones I have, at least) at
>the entry for the word "quiz", it will say origin unknown.

Mine says perhaps suggested by Latin quis (who, which, what) or quid (how, why,
wherefore).  The origin was 18th century England, where many students were
routinely taught Latin and given tests in it.

Further followups belong somewhere else (like sci.lang).

	Howard A. Landman
	founder, "triples" mailing list
Xref: sparky alt.polyamory:1877 soc.singles:31656 alt.pagan:13248 misc.kids:29042
From: susan@varian.uucp (Susan Finkelman)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
Subject: Re: raising children
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:13:44 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems

In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY!!!!! Isn't marriage & creating kids, to be inserted into
>society, at *least* as requiring of training as getting a drivers' license?
>
>I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
>taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting, 
>and one on relationships.
>
>	mark

And what would you have happen to people like my partner and myself who
for various reasons decided to skip the marriage license, moved in
together, and are raising 4 children?  Revoke the kids?
Susan
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Quiz (was Re: Religious bigot ?)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:54:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.062708.3878@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) writes:
>In article <BxzJ74.Kzw@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Hu
>ton) writes:
> >It's an example of folk etymology.

[my own example deleted]

> I hate to break into this thread, but I found your example of folk
>etymology quite interesting.

Thank you.

>                              I would like to contribute the following:
>Now, I _cannot_ verify this, so don't ask my source.  I don't remember.
>Maybe someone else has heard of it and can help out.
>Anyway, if you look in the dictionary (the ones I have, at least) at
>the entry for the word "quiz", it will say origin unknown.  This is 
>the way it was related to me:  About (number unknown) years ago, a couple
>of guys made a bet.  One of them claimed that he could create a word
>that would within days, be on everyones lips.  So the other took him up
>on it.  Soon, everyone was asking what "quiz" meant.  (He had written the
>word in many places, graffiti style)  What with everyone asking what the 
>word meant, it evolved itself into the lexicon as 'the act of questioning'.
>It's also ironic that one of the definitions for 'quiz' is that of 'a
>practical joke, or hoax.
>
>Anybody else heard this story?

Someone named Robert Hendrickson contributed an article on "20 Invented Words"
to _The People's Almanac #2_, and one of the words was "quiz."  

   ... The tale may be apocryphal, but it's said that Dublin theater manager
   James Daly (late 18th century) bet that he could invent and introduce
   a new meaningless word into the language almost overnight.  He proceeded
   to pay Dublin urchins to chalk the word _quiz_ on every wall in town.  
   By morning all Dubliners had seen the word, and because no one knew what
   it meant, the meaningless "quiz" soon became the word for a test of know-
   ledge.

Emma Williams, are you still reading this news group?

-- Herb Huston
-- huston@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.sex,alt.pagan
From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Religious bigot ?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:45:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.153659.29022@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.080923.400@deeptht.armory.com>, rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>
>|> "Bigot" COMES from people being pissed at the revival preachers
>|> carrying on with the entire geneology with all the begot's in it, so
>|> they started calling them bigots.
>
>As a public service to all you Trivial Pursuit players out there (and you
>know who you are)...don't ever use this as an answer!  Bigot comes from an
>old French word, and has nothing to do with begat.  Sheesh, some people...
>
>I know, I know...nobody cares...

It's an example of folk etymology.  A few years ago a friend and I were
talking about the origin of the term "love" for a score of zero in tennis.
He hypothesized that it was a corruption of "l'oeuf," French for "the egg."
Another term for zero scores in sports is "goose eggs", right?  His idea
seemed to make a good deal of sense, but I went to the library and found
that "love" was related to "amateur" with the rationale that someone who
consistently fails to score must be playing the game for love rather than
professionally.

-- Herb Huston
-- huston@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: raising children
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:10:28 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <92323.235320SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu> S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com
>(markbr) says:
>>ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY!!!!! Isn't marriage & creating kids, to be inserted into
>>society, at *least* as requiring of training as getting a drivers' license?
>>
>>I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
>>taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting,
>>and one on relationships.
>Maybe on relationships, but as far as parenting, there are people
>who, for health, career, or personal reasons, are not having
>children.  Make that all three in the case of my fiance and me.
>Such a course would be wasted then...
>
>(besides, I don't agree even in the relationship case...
>I suspect that the people who would already be good at
>communicating and resolving differences would benefit,
>and those who would not be good at it would not benefit.
>just IMHO of course :-)
>
>-Stephanie
>steph@math.cornell.edu

Why would it be wasted? You've NEVER in your life baby-sat? I certainly know
couples who never intended, or planned, to have children (myself included),
who suddenly find themselves about to have one. Or change their minds. Also,
I suspect that some child abuse, and possibly some people who *shouldn't*
have kids, but want to, might be turned off by such a course, to the point
where they don't, or don't have them (another shot for zpg). 

*I* sure have known enough relationships (*including* many of my earlier ones)
where ***LOVE*** overwhelmed any sense that there was a lack of communication
or agreement on many issues that would later be *major* points of friction.

	mark 

Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Problem: the teddy-bear syndrome
Followup-To: alt.polyamory
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:57:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.114228.526@midway.uchicago.edu> 
 mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>	These are in conflict because my community in general believes
>that I'm a wonderful, close, cuddly, non-romantic, A-sexual friend.
>Teddy-bear.  I want my community to believe that I'm open to intimate,
>loving relationships, which is true.  I'm much more so open now than I
>was a year ago, when no less than four different women did indeed
>envision me as a romantic, sexual being and heartily pursued me.  (It's
>beyond me what, if anything, I was doing different.)  
>Somehow, society is not receiving the same signal I'm sending.

This strikes a chord in me, as I have said a times I wanted folk to think
of me as an "anatomically realistic teddy bear".

It seems to be hard to convey the message that one wants to be cuddly and
non-threatening *and* earnestly romantic/sexual/lustful at the same time.

Talking about it might help, or it might just illuminate the extent of the
problem.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Xref: sparky alt.polyamory:1881 soc.singles:31689 alt.pagan:13256 misc.kids:29056
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
Subject: Re: raising children
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:51:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov23.210957.6049@sr.com> dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow) writes:
>
>University of Santa Monica offers the most cutting-edge relationship course
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(both with one's self and with another(s) that I've ever seen or heard of.
>Quite remarkable. Too bad we all didn't have this stuff when we were wee
>ones.

Do you mean Santa Monica City College? Or is there yet another University
in L.A. that I've never heard of?

Susan



Xref: sparky alt.polyamory:1827 soc.singles:31197 alt.pagan:13033 misc.kids:28748
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:53:20 EST
From: S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
Subject: Re: raising children
 <1992Nov17.231317.809@sequent.com> <1992Nov18.152152.14225@spdcc.com>
 <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp>

In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com
(markbr) says:
>ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY!!!!! Isn't marriage & creating kids, to be inserted into
>society, at *least* as requiring of training as getting a drivers' license?
>
>I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
>taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting,
>and one on relationships.
Maybe on relationships, but as far as parenting, there are people
who, for health, career, or personal reasons, are not having
children.  Make that all three in the case of my fiance and me.
Such a course would be wasted then...

(besides, I don't agree even in the relationship case...
I suspect that the people who would already be good at
communicating and resolving differences would benefit,
and those who would not be good at it would not benefit.
just IMHO of course :-)

-Stephanie
steph@math.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.sex,alt.pagan
From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)
Subject: Re: Religious bigot ?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:27:08 GMT

In article <BxzJ74.Kzw@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Hu
ton) writes:
 >It's an example of folk etymology.  A few years ago a friend and I were
>talking about the origin of the term "love" for a score of zero in tenni
.
>He hypothesized that it was a corruption of "l'oeuf," French for "the eg
."
>Another term for zero scores in sports is "goose eggs", right?  His idea
>seemed to make a good deal of sense, but I went to the library and found
>that "love" was related to "amateur" with the rationale that someone who
>consistently fails to score must be playing the game for love rather tha

>professionally.
>
>-- Herb Huston
>-- huston@access.digex.com

 I hate to break into this thread, but I found your example of folk
etymology quite interesting.  I would like to contribute the following:
Now, I _cannot_ verify this, so don't ask my source.  I don't remember.
Maybe someone else has heard of it and can help out.
Anyway, if you look in the dictionary (the ones I have, at least) at
the entry for the word "quiz", it will say origin unknown.  This is 
the way it was related to me:  About (number unknown) years ago, a couple
of guys made a bet.  One of them claimed that he could create a word
that would within days, be on everyones lips.  So the other took him up
on it.  Soon, everyone was asking what "quiz" meant.  (He had written the
word in many places, graffiti style)  What with everyone asking what the 
word meant, it evolved itself into the lexicon as 'the act of questioning'.
It's also ironic that one of the definitions for 'quiz' is that of 'a
practical joke, or hoax.

Anybody else heard this story?

Uncle Fester

--
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Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
From: elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Beth Lung)
Subject: Re: raising children
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.152152.14225@spdcc.com> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.231317.809@sequent.com> petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:
>>>>] Ask yourself, would you like to
>>>>] have been raised in a single-parent family or a multiple parent
>>>>] family?

I was raised in one of the odd N parents. Granted my mother had
custody of me, but my father (and later his wife) was around on
holidays and I stayed with him summers and my step-fathers(s) were
also around. And granted I had some fantastic Xmases/b-days (I alyas
had 2! :)...but...looking back I am not so sure it wouldn't have been best
having only my mom to raise me. I was a surprise baby and my childhood
was filled with abuse and witnessing abuse. I love my half-sisters
dearly, but I could have done without the pain my father caused
me--when he divorced my mom, we ceased to exist. -shrug- But then
again, I would not be the person I am today.

>ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY!!!!! Isn't marriage & creating kids, to be inserted into
>society, at *least* as requiring of training as getting a drivers' license?
>
>I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
>taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting, 
>and one on relationships.
>
>	mark

-CHEER!- I agree 100% with you mark. Where can I sign up? -smile-
blessings,
Beth
-- 
	      Beth Lung     elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
       "Before enlightenment, one carries water and chops wood.
       After enlightenment, one carries water and chops wood."
   /*   My opinions are my own. Why blame them on someone else?   */
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
From: cmbr01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory,soc.singles,alt.pagan,misc.kids
Subject: Re: raising children
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:38:08 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.152152.14225@spdcc.com> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.231317.809@sequent.com> petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:
>>>>] Ask yourself, would you like to
>>>>] have been raised in a single-parent family or a multiple parent
>>>>] family?
>>
>>>"If all are 'loving', for me as many as I can get", is what I would
>>>have wanted. But for me, just ONE caring parent would have been OK,
>>>my parents just did not wan't me around.
>>
>>This brings up a good point. Not only do all involved parents (meaning
>> N parents, where N is >= 1) need to be loving, but they must -desire-
>>to be parents in order to be good ones. If you don't want to do something,
>>how much effort are you going to put in to it? I'm not going to get into
>>what 'should' be done, I'm just looking at all the families that live in 
>>the same depressed area that I do. How much good is it going to do for a
>>kid to have a two parent family when the dad is a alcoholic who beats the
>>kid(s) and wife, or drifts in and out of the family like a spectre?
>>
>>How many of you were -taught- how to parent? How many of you who have kids
>>were ready for the job when you got it? I know that when my kids arrived on 
>>the scene I had very little idea what I was doing. Here I was 18 with a wife
>>and a kid and I knew what -images- society put forth about what parents and
>>husbands should be like, but no idea how to actually fit that role and still 
>>be me, and not some actor. The inability to fit those expected roles really
>>messed me up personally and mentally, and put me through a real wringer.
>>
> ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY!!!!! Isn't marriage & creating kids, to be inserted into
> society, at *least* as requiring of training as getting a drivers' license?
> 
> I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
> taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting, 
> and one on relationships.
> 
> 	mark

I agree. It is about time that schools, be they state or private, started
to provide teaching on relationships, marriage and kids.
I am not strongly religious and generally have a low view of the Church as an
institution. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that the RC church my friend
belonged to provided him and his future wife with guidance on relationships and
marriage.

However, church roles are declining (here at least)and so people are not receiving
this type of counselling prior to marriage.

If you all agree that this is important then maybe we can change it together
instead of just talking about it.

My $0.02 worth.
Adios, J. 
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: paulo@ohmeda.com (Paul E. Ourada)
Subject: Deborah Anapol, Paul Glasco
Summary: Addresses needed
Organization: Ohmeda Monitoring Systems
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:30:08 GMT

I understand that the "Dr. Dean Edell" show with these
participants was discussed here recently, but I was "away"
and didn't get to participate.

Anyway, could someone email me addresses for these people
so that I could send away for her book, "Love Without Limits,"
and his organization, "IntiNet Resource Center."

Also, there was a fellow, using the now defunct ACS, who wanted to
talk about "polygamy" or "polygamous marriage" within the context
of Christianity.  He used the alias, LitF.  Would this person
please contact me?  I tried to respond, but I understand that
it was on the day that the ACS actually went down.  I promise to
preserve anonymity as much as I can on my end.

Hmmm.  There was another net.request, but it escapes me, I'm sure
only to haunt me tonite at about 3am. :)

Yes, Helen, it's me,

Paul Ourada
paulo@ohmeda.com

Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: pierce@florian.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy,alt.individualism
Reply-To: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:36:43 GMT

In article <ddrumm.0fz9@amiganet.chi.il.us> ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes:

|        I am looking for any information regarding clubs, organizations
|or any other information including newsletters concerning the work
|and life of Ayn Rand. If you have any information about clubs, rare
|books and any other collector's items, please leave me email.
From: josh@planchet.rutgers.edu (J Storrs Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Too many cops?
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:22:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Big story in the news (NYC area) tonight:  Two groups of plainclothes
subway cops mistake each other for criminals and have a full fledged
shootout.

Funny thing, how a cop assumes anyone carrying a gun must be a criminal...
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:41:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov18.173643.7270@cs.ucla.edu>

In article <ddrumm.0fz9@amiganet.chi.il.us> ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel D
rumm) writes:

|        I am looking for any information regarding clubs, organizations
|or any other information including newsletters concerning the work
|and life of Ayn Rand. If you have any information about clubs, rare
|books and any other collector's items, please leave me email. 




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