From: rivk@ellis.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: Answer for Anisa
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:14:41 GMT



In article <1992Oct1.035236.14405@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Mohamed Omar Rayes) writes:
>In article <1719@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi) writes:
>>

>>   Deep rooted resentment(which you created by your selfs) does not execuse
>>   the support of the KILLING and RAPE of innocent KUWAITI people.
>
>Of all the Kuwaiti people I have known and met, NOT ONE experienced any
>raping, etc... I am beginning to think that this is a big Public Relations
>ploy.  

I've met a few, Sandra.

>I am not saying nothing bad happened, but certainly not on the
>scale the Kuwaiti government would have us believe.  And let me remind you,
>many PALESTINIANS ASSISTED IN THE RESISTANCE AND PAID THE CONSEQUENCE.

Many did. But many others cheered the occupation.

>Now you can't accuse ME of being one-sided for "my" people, because I am
>not an Arab at all!  But I do see the truth, and it bodes ill for the
>Kuwaitis' "hard-working", "long-suffering" representatives.

I don't like Kuwait overly much, Sandra, but I can see that someone
might have a right to get a little ticked off if the same people who
were a year ago cheering for the destruction of my country were now
demanding help from it as though it were their right.

I don't think the internal behavior of the country in question has
a lot to do with it: that combination of actions is hypocricy. Either
condemn Kuwait or ask assistance from it, but not both.

>>   And you say "people finally had the opportunity to voice the injustices"
>>   and I add " by supporting the thug saddam ,and the killing of the KUWAITIS"
>>   That realy sounds good to you and your supporters,does it not??!!!!!
>>
>WHEN AND WHERE did Anisa openly express her support for that idiot Saddam????
>You deceptive and pompous personages of unsure origin who are flaming Anisa
>and deceiving the rest of us (including Muslims) give some proof or
>shut up.

She has not supported Hussein personally. She has said openly that Kuwait
deserved what it got at his hands.

>such hypocrisy are an embarrassment to me, a person who thinks highly
>of the PRIDE of MOST Arab people.

May I someday hear the last of the word "pride" -- it's caused more
evil and/or stupid behavior than I ever thought possible. What the emir
did and whether Kuwait chooses to support him anyway is his business and
theirs, Sandra; that is what the word *sovereignity* means; and neither
you nor the Palestinians nor Hussein nor the Arab world at large has a
right to dictate it, in the name of your pride or anything else.

>Islam is every bit a part of this.  Does not YOUR country claim to uphold one
>of the highest Islamic standards???  What a joke.  You don't like it when
>A MUSLIM uses your very religion to question your deeds and deception.

I thought Kuwait claimed to be secular, at least by comparison to
some of its neighbors.

>The Prophet of Allah said:  He who deceives us is NOT OF US!!!!
>
>When did Allah endow you with the capability of opening up the heart of
>another Muslim and determining that they are not Muslim???

Follow your own advice, Sandra, and look at those last two sentences taken
together.

>	Whoever sees something evil or wrong, he should correct
>	it with his hands; if he cannot, he should correct it with
>	his tongue; if he cannot, he should hate it in his heart,
>	but this is the weakest of faith.        

Ugh. Now I remember why I'm not a Muslim. This strikes me as one of
the quickest and easiest recipes for total disaster I can think of offhand.

>You people see what your government has done to Palestinians.  I can
>understand expelling PROVEN conspirators from Kuwait, but you have
>done exactly the same as Israel has done; that is, tried its best
>to expel EVERY LAST Palestinian left. 

Oh, come on, Sandra; you know better than this! If Israel were trying
to expel every last Palestinian they'd have succeeded already, or at least
made a substantial dent in the population. Fact is that to the extent 
Palestinians are expelled from Israel it's on an individual basis, case
by case, with evidence of that individual having participated in efforts
to overthrow the country required and a specific order for the particular
case issued by the military judge. This slows down the process to the
point at which expelling much of the population is about as feasible as
moving the Negev to Hawaii with a teaspoon; yet this is the system the
Israelis have instituted. If they were trying to get rid of all the Pal-
estinians they'd've done it totally differently and you know it as well
as I do.

I expect gratuitous insult. But for heaven's sake, Sandra, make it *sane*
gratuitous insult -- for the sake of that pride of yours that you were
defending earlier. This is just stupid.

>Sandra.

	-Nora
-- 
"Light one candle for those who are suffering pain we learned so long ago..."

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