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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Kenny Battle, and Arizona Wildcats in the NBA
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Distribution: na,local
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:25:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.171830.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>In article <1bi7gmINN4h@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, rjs@citi.umich.edu (Robert J. Skrobola) writes:
>> In article <BvvF9z.D46@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>> |> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
>> |> >I went to U of I, I know who Kenny Battle is, I was just verifying.
>> |> 	OK -- sorry if I insulted your intelligence.  Anyways, Kenny did
>> |> 	start out w/ the Suns, but since then, he's been w/ the Warriors,
>> |> 	Celtics, put your team name here.  He's been the ultimate journeyman.
>> |> 	He lacks height and a sure outside shot, but he's got that hustle
>> |> 	and desire all coaches love.  He always seems to latch on somewhere.
>> Extreme nit-pick...Battle was drafted by the Pistons..Traded on or soon
>> after draft day for....eeee...ahhh...I don't remember who.. :)
>
>Anthony Cook.  As I remember, the Pistons drafted Battle, the Suns drafted
>Cook, and then they engineered a draft-day swap.
>
>It was one of those forgettable trades, I'll grant you that. :-)
>
>(Does the U of Arizona still have 6 alumni in the NBA?  Buechler,
>Cook, Elliott, Kerr, Tolbert, B. Williams?  How about Sean Rooks and
>Matt Othick?  What are their chances?)

Sean Rooks has moved into the Mavs starting lineup.


Robert
From: kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers 61-21, NOT!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:04:49 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <18154@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ksmoore@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu (Kevin S. Moore) writes:
|> 
|> Showtime? FastBreak? GIve me a BREAK!?!? Did you see Magic in the finals
|> against the bulls? The Man was HURTIN!, and hurtin BAD!  HIs knees are
|> way old, and I don't care if you give him 2 3 or 5 years off, you aren't

Well, you don't need the point guard down the floor for fast break as much as the others.
And Magic is quite capable of hustling up to mid-court and delivering a pass from there.
What do you need for a fast break?  That all 5 players get down court?  NO.  You need a
good outlet pass and someone down court to receive it.

|> Same can be said for Worthy, although for Magic its MUCH more applicable.

Worthy's knees are better now that he underwent surgery in the off season.

|> On top of that, Divac, is STILL not in my estimation, a real center.  
|> Without Magic there to kick his butt and hand feed him he showed what 
|> sort of player he really is. 

Divac is still young, and impressionable.  Give him time.  Besides, name a few centers
in the league (not the team's franchise player), who are really all that good.  Seems like
the game has moved from a power center to depend more on the play of the team.
One mongo center does not a team make.

|> Don't expect Showtime, cuz if they plan on Magic lasting the season, 
|> you are gonna be seein' Lots of Slowtime...

Not according to Randy Pfund, long time asst. coach, and now come into his own.

|> 
|> -------------------------------
|> 
|> This space intentionally left blank.

Couldn't think of something to say, huh?  Well, let me fill you in:

LAKERS ALL THE WAY - READ THE SCOREBOARD!

-Vach
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: First Round Picks?
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:29:52 GMT
Keywords: n


>I just read that the first year's salary is $2.1M in Laettner's contract.  
>That certainly won't make Alonzo any happier with the $2.1M first-year offer
>on the table from Charlotte and it sure gives him good reason to be asking
>$2.3M.  I hate to see Charlotte do any more re-organizing, but how can
>they justify paying Alonzo the same as Laettner.  We all know that Laettner
>will be a bust in comparison to Alonzo!  ;^) * .5

I don't think Laettner will be a "bust" in comparison to Alonzo, in any
stretch of the imagination...How could he???  He is playing for the worst
team in the league with no real inside game.  I predict Laettner will score
about 16 points a game and grab 8 RB's a game and have a decent 3 point
percentage.  The key to Laettner is that he will be in training camp and 
he is mentally prepared, because he has played with the big boys!!!

I am going out on a limb, but since Laettner's expectations are not as
high as Shaq, I have to say Laettner will be Rook of the Year, I really
do.  I don't think with the expectations the Orlando Magic have in Shaq
that he can do anything (besides win the BIG ONE) to get it. JMO!!!

Chris....
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Gugs to Celtics?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:16:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct9.181625.27079
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct9.145601.28673@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mmt2q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (M.T.)  writes:
>Does the Celtics have a good chance of getting Gugliotta (sp?). If they do, 
>the Celtics might have a good team this year!

 just how good is gugs suppose to be?  come on - gimme a break.

- nate
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: More trivia (answer)
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:16:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>Probably somewhere in the 6-7% range..  He had made 6 as of last year, and
>shot 9 more this year.  

	Walker is a shade under 6% -- after last season, he's 6 for 101
	for his career from home-run land.  The worst percentage in NBA
	history.

	Jazzy J
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From: gjacknow@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Greg L. Jacknow)
Subject: rottisere league?
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:25:41 GMT

I was wondering if anyone knew of a rotissere league for this coming
season either over the net or in the Wash DC area that has a space or two
open?

Greg Jacknow
gjacknow@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!
Keywords: n
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:33:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>My turn.....
>
>	I got two words for Magic.....LAST PLACE.
>	I got one more word for Magic....CLIPPERS.
>	I got two words for the Knicks....NO DEFENSE.
>
>Enough said!!!!

Wrong newsgroup, Chris.  You wanted rec.humor.

Tony
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's teammates are in danger!
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:44:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


|> Although I don't expect Isaih to be kissing him again any time soon 8*>
|> 
|> S Dod^2
|> 
|> -- 
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> S Dod^2  |   "Do what you do but know why you're doing it"---GBH
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey, remember they kissed during the All-Star weekend in Orlando?
From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Stuff
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:25:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

Russ Smith writes:
>Put it this way, when the Australian Olympic team voiced concern they
>were ridiculed. Could any player in the league not named Michael Jordan
>honestly state he didn't want to play against or with Magic and not
>get the same treatment or much worse treatment than the Australian team
>got? According to AIDS experts, Magic is not taking any risks by returning
>to the NBA, only the people he will be playing with/against are at any
>risk, no matter how ridiculously small that risk is.

I remember Mark Price saying something about it when Magic was permitted
to play in the All-Star Game last year.  I do not remember the exact quote
but I know he was speaking out against Magic being allowed to play and the
gist of it was that it is easy for someone (like a reporter, or me sitting
at my terminal) to talk about the incredibly slight probability of another
player catching AIDS from Magic when that someone doesn't have to play
against him.

As is usually the case with controversial issues, I can't make up my mind
on this because both sides have valid arguments.  I know the risk faced by
other players is infinitesimal and we have no right to tell the man what to
do with his life, but I can see Price's point as well.

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From: ksmoore@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu (Kevin S. Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers 61-21, NOT!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:55:32 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <39444@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:
>
>In article <jjonsson.168@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>
>
			<excessive predictions deleted>

>Fortunately, time stood still for the rest of the league.  You call LA a slowfoot team!
>Give me a break.  The team was over-worked because of injuries, and to top that, they
>had a coach who believed in slow-down basketball.  So watch out for the remaissance of
>Showtime fast break basketball.  You can't play this style if you don't have a bench to
>back you up, can you?
>

			<more excessive predictions deleted>

>Lakers all the way!  For more on the power of positive thinking :), see:
>    Peale, Norman Vincent, 1898-
>    The amazing results of positive thinking.
>    Englewood Cliffs, N.J., Prentice-Hall [1959]

Showtime? FastBreak? GIve me a BREAK!?!? Did you see Magic in the finals
against the bulls? The Man was HURTIN!, and hurtin BAD!  HIs knees are
way old, and I don't care if you give him 2 3 or 5 years off, you aren't
gonna make up for all the wear and tear of his career on his body. Did
you even see him after the games, limping around like a gimpy old man on
beat up knees?  Why do you think Dunleavy played slowdown basketball?
Becasue he LIKED it? NO, because Magic can't handle showtime anymore.
Same can be said for Worthy, although for Magic its MUCH more applicable.

On top of that, Divac, is STILL not in my estimation, a real center.  
Without Magic there to kick his butt and hand feed him he showed what 
sort of player he really is. 

Don't expect Showtime, cuz if they plan on Magic lasting the season, 
you are gonna be seein' Lots of Slowtime...

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Top-10 Draft Discussion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:55:07 GMT

halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:

	Ah!  It's about time someone changed the subject!  There were about
	to be around 20 ">"s!

>	Gee, how about Top-10 means : "One of the first 10 players drafted 
>in a particular year." Is that specific enough for you? At any rate, that was
>the meaning of the original post to which I was responding. (Gamble isn't worth
>Gugs, because Gugs is a top-10 draft pick.)

	I think my point is that with draft picks, they're a gamble.  Sure,
	they may not turn out to be a superstar, but then again they can.
	Saying Gamble isn't worth Gugs -- U never know.  What if Gugs goes
	on to be the next Tom Chambers?  It's a gamble (forgive the puns)...
	and U just have to see whether or not U like the player, if he
	fits within your system and game plan, and if U think he's going to
	work out.  Just describing a player as a Top-10 pick really just
	shows that he was drafted that high.  He may be good, he may be
	just servicable, or he just might plain suck.

>	'Some' == Joe Kliene, Jon Koncak, & Kenny Walker (while he in the league).
>	The keywords being 'decent' and 'bench'. Not exactly what you would hope
>to get out of one of the 1st 10 picks of a draft!

	Well, maybe not what U hope -- but it seems that the teams got the
	most out of those players that they can.  The players didn't turn
	out to be superstars, but they did turn out to be positive factors.

>	I don't remember Stipanovich being anything to write home about, but
>I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I blew one on the list....

	Well, Stipo was a consistent performer at center for the Pacers --
	much more consistent than anyone they've had since then.  He came
	every nite and scored his 10+ppg and grabbed his 7+rpg without
	complaining.  He provided enough inside scoring and interior
	defense.  In other words, he was solid.

>	I left Reggie Williams off my list just for that reason. I also avoided
>some marginal players (Mark Macon for example) from the last two draft years
>because there may indeed be some late bloomers in there....

	That certainly is true.  But if U were putting up the list about
	2 years ago, Williams would have been at the top of the list.  When
	looking at players, U really have to look at them over a period of
	time.  Some players (like Reggie) take years to blossom.  Some might
	just need a change of scenery to do the job.  

	However, I wouldn't go as far as to say Mark Macon has been marginal
	so far.  After all, he did make the NBA All-Rookie 2nd team last
	season.  He has some shooting problems, but he's great defensively
	and he should definitely improve w/ time and better teams ahead in
	the future.

	Jazzy J

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From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Mahorn
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:02:09 GMT
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: jimmyb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu's message of 14 Oct 92 00:28:17 GMT


Does anyone have career or even partial stats for Rick?  I'd love to see
them.  Also a synopsis on his play would be appreciated greatly.

Thanks in advance,
Wayne.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:46:34 GMT

arwoo@athena.mit.edu (Albert R. Woo) writes:

>Is it James Worthy?  Lately, it seems like he's been around 25%, and 
>I think his early years were pretty abysmal.  It always looks like he's 
>shot-putting the basketball when he shoots a 3...  I'm also guessing
>that he's tried more than 100 attempts in his career...

	Nope.  Sorry.  A hint -- the guy I'm thinking of has an abysmal
	percentage.  We're talking seriously bad here folks...

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: first round failures
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:00:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvt8GI.FM6
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:

>I don't know if he was the most recent but the Celts draft of Micheal Young
>in 1984(?) would be one of the few who don;t make an opening day roster who
>wrer first round picks.

        We've got a winner here!  From my information, Young was the last
        player who was drafted in the 1st round, and didn't make the opening
        day roster -- or even play with the team that had his rights all
        season.  While Young did end up playing in the NBA later (w/ the
        Sixers, Clippers), he never did play for the Celtics.

        Jazzy J

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From: mcmullen@mindvox.phantom.com (John F. McMullen)
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:05:53 GMT

The only time Tucker drives is when he is going to work! In NY, he always
had a very low number of foul shots attempted every year because he almost
never goes to the basket. He does play good D and he has always had a good
3 pointer. 
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From: matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy)
Subject: Openings in the BIBL
Keywords: need owners, need co-owners
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:34:46 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

The Bitnet/Internet Basketball League still have a few
openings for the upcoming 1992-3 season.  There are also
plenty of requests for co-owners if your time restraints
are too much to take care of a team by yourself.

The BIBL is beginning its second season, and excitement
is mounting as the Shoots begin their quest to repeat the
inaugural title.

Send any inquiries to me at   matt@ms.uky.edu

matt

BIBL Commissioner

-- 
"One person can have a profound effect on another,     matt@ms.uky.edu
 but two people, well, two people can work miracles."  mwmcco00@ukpr.uky.edu
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Lakers 61-21, NOT!!!!
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:40:25 GMT


>Someone said there weren't 12 teams that could beat the Lakers.  Well, to get a 70-12
>record, it isn't enough not to find those 12 teams; you need to find 70 games that the
>Lakers can't lose.  Let's look at the teams:

>Western Conference:
>Portland - since it's only the regular season, I'd give them at least two games

How many times does Portland play the Lakers? Four or five? That's how many 
games Portland's going to win `off the Lakers.'

>Phoenix - new team chemistry, if it gels, they can take two games off the Lakers
>Utah (if Stockton's back) - they don't lose at home, do they? two games

Ditto Utah. Training Camp started last Friday, and Stock is in great shape!

>San Antonio - can't say, but they have the potential to steal a game from them
>Seattle - dangerous, very likely one game, poss. two (Good thing the Akeem deal fell through)
>Clippers - Again, new coach (relatively), and some major personnel changes, ah well, let's
>           give them a game
>Golden State - Give them a game (not a strong team, in my opinion, last year was freaky)
>Sacramento - hah! take your begging bowl somewhere else
>Houston - I'd say naaah!
>Dallas - nope
>Minnesota - I'm waiting for when they trade away Laettner before I make a judgment :)
>Denver - no
>Lakers - they could shoot themselves in the foot several times, blow easy games, etc. let's
>         call it 5 times


I think these estimates are too low. I also think that the following eastern 
teams can beat the Lakers twice: Chicago, Cleveland, New York, Boston, and 
perhaps Charlotte. (If Mourning signs.) Face it, no matter what kind of lift 
Magic gives them, it's not going to be enough to overcome the fact that the 
Lakers are an aging, slowfooted, streaky team. 

Predictions for the Western Conference:

	Utah 59-23
	Portland 58-24
	Phoenix 52-30
	Golden State 50-32
	LA Clippers 48-34
	Seattle 48-34
	Houston 45-37
	LA Lakers 45-37

Playoff predictions: Utah 3-1 over LAL
		     Portland 3-2 over Houston
		     Seattle 3-2 over Phoenix
		     Golden State 3-2 over LAC

		     Utah 4-1 over Seattle
		     Portland 4-2 over Golden State
	
		     Utah 4-3 over Portland.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:16:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Well, we've been talking about Dana Barros and his 3-pt percentage
>	last year -- and about Trent Tucker's career 3-pt percentage --
>	but the question I put to U is -- who in NBA history has the WORST
>	3-pt percentage (min 100 attempts).  Take your guess and I'll reveal
>	the answer...
>
>	Jazzy J

Has Manute Bol attempted 100?  I know he used to love to launch them
when he was at Golden State (but of course he never came close)...
I don't have all his stats available, but over the last two years,
he is 1-23.

If not Bol, I would suspect it's some veteran who has been around
since the 3-ptr has started, rarely takes the shot, but every now and
then grabs a defensive rebound with 1 second on the clock and heaves
from under the opposing basket.  Do this once every six or seven
games, and in about eight seasons you'll be 0-100.

Tony
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:07:59 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <Bvrot5.7Iz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Which brings up a trivia question:  Who was the last 1st round pick
>	to not stick on the opening day roster?  (We're not counting
>	players that went off to play in another country -- i.e. Danny
>	Ferry, Anthony Avent, etc.)


Depends on how you define stick. Len Bias certainly did not stick with the
Celts, for an obviously tragic reason.

Other than him off the top of my head, did Larue Harrington stick with
the Blazers? I seem to recall his name from the distant past as a failed
1st round pick.




Russ Smith
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From: rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Rob Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:39:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.RDVRBRX1
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <1bhe9iINN7ru@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory
Shimer) writes:
> 
> I think is was Sports magazine that did a NBA preview.
> 
> Sports magazine said the Celts are on their way to "mediocre", because
> Bird is gone, and Lewis isn't all that great.
			                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What?

Did anyone happen to notice that Reggie Lewis pulled the Celtics through
the entire final two months of last season?  Without him they probably
would not have won the division (ok, they got a little help from the Knicks
but still...).  Mr. Lewis is without a doubt the next superstar in Boston
and more people should start giving him the credit he's due.  Yes, Bird is
gone but how much of an impact did he make over the past couple of years
with his health problems?

Banner #17 is going up in the Garden in next June!  :-)
(we can always hope)

Rob  
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