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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:38:51 EST
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
 <1993Jan27.094311.999@nntp.hut.fi>

In article <1993Jan27.094311.999@nntp.hut.fi>, m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
says:
>
>Yeah! I totally agree with you! (With the exception of Skid Row being
>commercialized generic crap. Perhaps they're not very original, but they
>surely got some musical talent and passion. There are still countless
>others in the same category with Bon Jovi.) And I have few additions
>on the "respected" list: old Jethro Tull and Uriah Heep, The Who,
>Jimi Hendrix, Neil Young, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Blackfoot, old Fleetwood Mac
>and Aerosimth.

What do any of these bands have to do with Metal!  They are either sell-out
pop shit or they are hard rock.  Hard rock is not something this newsgroup
is designed to discuss.  So get you ball-reeming-catholic-mother-fucking-
poser-ass out of this newsgroup!

>These are all bands who have been at their best in between a time period
>from late sixties to early eighties, when hard rock and metal were born.
>There are also many bands I respect who have dominated earlier than that,
>but who are not really even hard rock, so I left them out.

Just because a band was around during the time metal was born does not
make that band a metal band!

>I've also noticed that there are people who consider themselves as true
>headbangers, who only listen to headbanging music. Even if it's absolute
>crap, but it's heavy and loud, they seem to be liking it. And they ignore
>all non-metal music (even those "respected" bands) only because it
>simply is not metal.

It doesn't matter what else you like...this newsgroup is for the discussion
of metal and only metal...period!!!  And if someone like a band only cause
they were "respected" then they are nothing but lowlife-hairspraying-
mind-controlled-ass-whipped-posers!!!

>Of course this is only a matter of opinion, you should listen to
>anything you like. But I don't see very much difference between these
>headbangers and those disco-poppers who listen to top-20 crap, only because
>everybody else seems to be listening to it.

All this from a reject of the disco age!!!  The large majority of these
psuedo-headbangers has spawned from eMpTyV.  Most of these people don't
even know what real metal is.  Ask any of the recent eMpTyV drones if
they heard of any band, not played once an hour on that TV channel!!!

>The above is of course all IMHO, so try avoid flaming, but feel free to
>comment.
>
>.
>
>Matti K. Varis, m38853v@saha.hut.fi, Helsinki University Of Technology,
>Finland
>
>Frozen world outside, Made by Foolish pride
>(Armored Saint/Aftermath)

--sitting here bathed in the moonshade underneath the willow tree
Suaron
From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:01:03 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <C1HI3v.Ms1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes:
>bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR) writes:
>
>>In article <00967310.114F9EA0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan26.192027.10440@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>>Bullshit.  Van Halen's cool.  Pop-metal crap?  Check out Fair Warning, 1984
>>or F.U.C.K.  These, and all the others, are good records which had plenty of 
>>"emotion" and "talent" and yet still managed to be a lot of fun and definitely 
>>was in the "metal" realm.  So they had some great melodies in there with all 
>>those killer riffs, that doesn't make them pop or crap.  Eddie is God.
>
>>Leave Def Lep alone.  They never claimed to be "metal" in the first place.
>>They do what they do and that's it, that's all.
>
>Also would like to point out that I DOUBT Van Halen considers themselves
>metal.  They are not pop-metal, just pop.  The popular kinda catchy tunes
>with pretty good riffs that almost everyone likes.  A fun band, without the
>need to be dark or serious, cuz they are just jammin'.  Dunno if i LIKE Van
>Halen, but I doubt they should be criticized as pop-metal crap.  No way can
>you compare VH with Slaughter/Skid Row type music.  Just some good ol' boys
>makin some fun music.	
>					just my opinionm
>
>					   the man
Maybe I was a little hard on VH; they're definitely talented, which puts
them beyond the Skid Row, Slaughter, etc. types.  I still don't see anything
really gripping after VH I, though; if you think about it, that seemed like
a semi-angry album (Runnin' With the Devil, Atomic Punk), but then they turned
into a party-music band; party-music is simply not emotionally rivetting,
and I guess this is why I labeled them pop-metal crap.  Maybe they're sort
of hard rock's answer to the beach Boys or something. . .  but this means they
changed their approach from emotional to light-heated, which I think is an
artistic
compromise, even if they're skill as such has improved.  Eric M.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: phil@news.ccutah.edu (Phillip Neiswanger)
Subject: Re: Steve Vai
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 05:20:16 GMT

pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty) writes:
: I just picked up Steve Vai's Fexable CD. Although the first time
: I listened to it, I wasn't impressed, it has grown greatly on
: me every time I listen to it.
: 
: What are his other albums like?

and someone else writes:
:album list-
:
:Passion and Warfare
:Slip of the Tongue (Whitesnake)
:Skyscraper (David Lee Roth)
:Flexible
:Eat em and Smile (David Lee Roth)
:Disturbing the Peace (Alcatrazz)
:CD (Public Image Limited)
:Various and Sundry Zappa Albums
:Bill and Teds Bogus Journey Soundtrack
:Encino Man Soundtrack
:Dudes Soundtrack
:The Epidemics
:Crossroads (the movie only, songs not available on soundtrack)

And for people who like his stuff, you will soon be able to add another
album to the list.  His new one is due out soon.  I just saw an add for
it in 'Guitar for the Practicing Musician'.  Drat, I left the mag at
home so I can't tell you the name of the album.  Sorry.

--
Phil
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: Ralf.Wirth@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Ralf Wirth)
Subject: Re: Def of Poser (was Re: Here's one for Suaron)
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:24:16 GMT
Keywords: poser, you asked for it

Anyone, who copies more than 50% o an article and writes just one 
sentence under it, is a poser.
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:59:11 GMT

>loud.  This is often not true.  Bands like Bon Jovi aren't crap because
>they're mellower, but because they lack innovation, creativity, and passion.

The above line went to 153 chars.  Discover your return key.

I sat through Bon Jovi when he opened for Scorpions (*) a few tours ago.  He
ranted on and on about all the "pussy" that hounded him at his hotel.  Sure
impressed me.


* Note that this band's name does not contain "The".
-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: rdb5953@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: yngwie j. howeveruspellit
Reply-To: rdb5953@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:08:15 GMT

I have all of Malsteem albums,  he did solos on all the albums, but a
lot on Rising Force.  Just to let you know!
From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:14:28 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

It has come to my attention that many people who like glam "metal" bands and
the like (such as this Bon Jovi is as good as Sabbath character) think that
true head-bangers can only appreciate music that is monotonously heavy and
loud.  This is often not true.  Bands like Bon Jovi aren't crap because
they're mellower, but because they lack innovation, creativity, and passion. . .  they are, in a word, commercialized generic crap.  this obviously also
applies to Warrant, Skid Row, Ugly Kid Joe, and other countless obvious
others.  On the other hand, a lot of DM is also uninteresting and generic
in its own way; about 80% of it is not worth listening to, though if forced
I'd rather listen to it than glam stuff.  Anyway, just to prove that
true headbangers who are into kick-ass stuff like Entombed, old >Trouble,
Helmet, Cathedral, old Black Sabbath, Black Flag, etc. do not pan
everything simply for being non face-smashing, here is a list of groups
who are not mind-numbing DM but are still worthy of respect:
King's X, Masters of Reality, Thin Lizzy, old Bad Company, mellower Zep
and Deep Purple, some Golden earring, Pink Floyd, Cream and Clapton,
old ted Nugent, BOC (some of it, anyway), Steppenwolf, 24-7 Spyz (though
some of it is near face-smashing), King Crimson (if one considers thyem rock),
old Rush, The Call (I'm sure I'll hear it for this one<), UFO, some old
Christian rock like old Jerusalem (e.g. Volume II and Warrior) and most
Rez Band stuff (though some of their material is admittedly crappy),
Hawkwind, and Queen.  These bands could qualify as lighter heavy metal, 
but they are not glam and therefore even people who do not like them will
not criticze them with any regularity for being "poser," "sell-outs," or
the like.  They play with passion and creativity, and this is why they
are commendable.  This cannot be said for Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, and
the like.  (Let me add old Yes and old Kansas, along with rainbow, to my
"respected" list).  Eric M.  I would like to get some responses on this.
From: tw26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas James Waltz)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: re ****HELP****
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:04:55 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'll bet Suaron's gonna have a ball with this dork
Tom
From: schandr@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Iron Maiden info?
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:20:11 GMT
Reply-To: schandr@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: schandr@c00372-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <1993Jan25.192911.6932@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:

>I saw a record at a show one called Rythm of the Beast (McBrain Damaged).  It 
>seemed to be some sort of Nicko McBrain solo album.  Has anyone heard this?
>(it was too expensive).

"Rhythm of the Beast (McBrain Damaged)" is a single by Nicko that came out
in the summer of 1991.  It is an instrumental and features Dave Murray on
guitar.  It also has horns and other stuff.  Don't know who any of the other
musicians were.  It's not too heavy, but has a Maiden feel to it.  I'd 
recommend it if you are a serious Maiden fan.

Drifter
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: fjames@CS.Stanford.EDU (Frances James)
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:05:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.135205.28629@watson.ibm.com>, grube@nevada.fishkill.ibm.com (Steve Grube) writes:
|> 
|> > I quite like Queensryche although I hate the fact that their
|> > vocalist is the generic hard rock vocalist (ie squeaky voice).
|> 
|> Geoff Tate's voice is anything but generic.  His voice is hardly squeeky, 
|> his range is incredible, and his concert performances are fantastic (very 
|> true to life which is more than can be said for many singers).  Potentially
|> you don't like his voice because he really does sing.  Anyway I realize
|> now that I'm talking about a non-metal band and that I am a poser and 
|> Queensryche are posers and I will get flamed by everyone and told to 
|> go post on alt.music.sissys.
|> 
|> Flame away,
|> Grubby...

Squeaky?  SQUEAKY?  Hardly!!!  Geoff Tate has one of the greatest voices in
the world!!!  Maybe you heard "Queen of the Reich" and mistook honest-to-God
high-range vocals for "squeaky", but you're WRONG!!!

                                   ---Psycho
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: cblanc@pomoma.claremont.edu (P0ZER N PR0UD!!1!)
Subject: Re: Just a Warning...
Reply-To: cblanc@pomoma.claremont.edu
Organization: Pomona College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:36:31 GMT

>Well, yeah, my argument took the extreme, but you may have heard the
>aphorism "fight fire with fire" so if Suaron is going to take his extreme and
>be serious with it the least I can do is take a different extreme. But as
>for what kind of metal is what band, I really don't care.

	good point.  sometimes you have to equalize yourself with the nuts to
get anything done...

>THANK YOU!! Yes, this thread is very fucking stupid, but we seemed to have been
>able to keep it to a minimum last term and I don't see why Suaron has to
>revive it. The only mention of Poison or Def Leppard before Suaron came back 
>was when I mentioned an album by a band called Waysted which I didn't really
>like but noted had an ex-Leppard drummer Frank Noon. That was it. Suaron is
>just bringing in things that have been beaten to death and I'd like to get
>on with more interesting things.

	he can't get laid.

>
>
> if you want to do this right, classify all music
>>under the hard rock banner by genre, and separate it out that way.  then you'd
>>have the classic metal, the pop/glam metal, the hard rock (gunz and teenagerz
>>here, suaron), the death metal, the noise metal
>
>I have two major classifications for my music - bands / composers I like,
>bands / composers I don't like. That's it. But for me, hard rock is basically
>heavy metal with blues influence. Anything played via distortion pedal I
>would define as heavy metal. Naturally you have weird things like Kate Bush
>and Midnight Oil or INXS and Michael Jackson coming in here and there but
>then there is no such thing as a foolproof classification and there's not
>much anyone can do about it except like what you like and if you can't say
>anything reasonable about stuff you don't like (ie why you don't like them
>except "they suck" or "they're posers") then ignore them.

	i prefer to classify for my convenience, not for my inconvenience --
that it, it helps me when there are designations.  it aids communication. 
classifying by likes -- ie they suck they're posers or stuff i like / stuff i
don't -- doesn't aid communication at all.
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:50:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

PPL, get a clue. Van Halen (now Van Hagar) has never played anything close to 
metal.this is Hard Rock.

But not the best one. I still think that VH is poseurish band.

Great hardrock band is TROUBLE.

--Leonid
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Steve Vai? OK.  GET SOME SATRIANI, BUD.
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:42:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.111150.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> tfpayn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
>	ANyone else know of any REALLY good guitarists out there (solo, kill
>the group guitarists)????
>	I'm implying Hard Rock-Heavy Metal solos, and not so much Eric
>what's-his-name.  And DON'T even mention Alex Masi.  I bought a cassette and it
>STANK.
>
Well, as far as great guitarists who happen to be really good team players,
Dave Murray and Glenn Tipton. Especially Dave Murray, though. His solo on
"Drifter" (from KILLERS, not "Sanctuary"), "Sanctuary" from the Friday Rock
Show (they play it the same way on the Live After Death home video), 
"Wrathchild" off "Maiden Japan," and "Killers," those are really cool and
very expressive in the context of the song, but he gives Stratton and H.
room to play their bit too. Even on NO PRAYER, my least favorite Maiden, 
Murray plays some cool solos that, though it's a relatively weak album, it's
rescued by Murray and Gers' interplays somewhat.

wei hao
Philip Wei Hao Wang                     E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"I have loved, I have lost, I have killed those who have loved me so. I have 
 learned, but at what cost, Lord, I don't know... I'm living on borrowed time"
                       - Diamond Head, "Living On Borrowed Time"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: caladan@maths.tcd.ie (Edmund Breslin)
Subject: Iron Maiden Reply
Keywords: Prisoner
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:40:55 GMT

-r pris


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: cblanc@pomoma.claremont.edu (P0ZER N PR0UD!!1!)
Subject: ...
Reply-To: cblanc@pomoma.claremont.edu
Organization: Pomona College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:02:26 GMT



d00dz,

	i don't know about p0zerd0m, but bands like primus and danzig do not
belong on here.  as for image bands, well, then i think that slayer and
sepultura and definitely deicide qualify ... this, of course, says nothing
about the quality of their music.
	however, i'd like to second the comment about manowar's lyrics.  stuff
like "wimps and p0zerz leave the hall!1!!" is almost as stupid as this
thread...is this metallic political correctness?  divide the shit up into
metal/non-metal, divide it up into genres and subgenres, but jesus, DON'T split
it by some nebulous criteria that noone can agree on and noone cares about...
	i'd rather be screwing sheep...
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: KYUSS info wanted
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:22:11 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <147121@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> k-man@diego.llnl.gov (Kevin Anderson) writes:
>Has anyone heard the Kyuss album that came out last
>year, its title was (forgive me if this is wrong)
>Blues for the Red Sun.
>
>I saw one pretty decent review and it made some top 10
>(metal) releases of 1992 lists.

	I like it quite a bit.  Heavy, grungy metal that takes on a 70's
feel now and again.  In some respects it's not that original, but then
again I can't think of any other band that really sounds like them.

	Both "Blues" and their first album "Wretch" (also good) are on
Dali Records, and have been readily available around here ...

					Brian
-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Here's one for Suaron
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:03:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan21.032909.22425@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>else? What do you think? My favorite black metal band, though I've only heard
>three others (Venom, Sodom, and Deicide. I think Deicide's awful, Sodom is OK
                                                  ^^^^^^^

Deicide has nothing to do with black metal.They just have *satanic* attitude!

>collective alt.rnr.metal.* opinions on which Bathory to get. But Dark Throne

I'd suggest THE RETURN.But I dunno.All their albums are worth buying except
I ain't sure abt the last one!


Leonid,
             
              Boston,

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From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: New Triumph
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:37:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.rock-n-roll.metal: 25-Jan-93 New Triumph Pat
Daugherty@mcl.bdm.co (380)

> I heard a track from the new Triumph album last night and I believe that
> Rick Emnet(?) is still the singer. What about the rest of the band? Is
this album any good? How does it compare to other Triumph albums?
> --
> *	pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com                     *

Rik Emmett is out of Triumph completely.  Gil Moore and Rik used to 
split the vocals on the records (Rik sang all the high stuff like "Magic
Power", Gil sang the lower stuff, ie. "American Girls").

--Tom
From: st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:38:08 GMT
Reply-To: st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Just for the record, I did not mention Skid Row, and I think that most of
their shit sucks.
As far as Def Leppard goes, I did say that they got old after listening to
the CD for a few times.
As far as Mr. Big goes, most of the songs that they have released is glamor,
however, they have some really good songs (I think so, at least) that have 
never been released because it would show what kind of band they really are.
Van Halen, no matter what anyone says, nobody can even try to argue with me.
	I will listen to nobody who says that they are bad. 
		I think that they are on of the greatest bands around.
I also wonder what you (Eric M. from Marquette) think about Metallica. I now
like them because I have never liked music much heavier than hard rock, but
no I like them because I think that they have become more popularity based
I think that they sold out to appeal to the non heavy metal/hard rock fans &
sell CDs.	--	Do you like Metallica now, before, or ever??

I remember now.  I remember how it started.  I can't remember yesterday, I
just remember doing what they told me, told me, told me....
	Michael Burstin		Brandeis University