HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Hyundai Hunday Hyunday  HeeeYonnDayyyy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:04:25 GMT

In article <1iij8uINN3mi@shelley.u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:

A very good explanation deleted to save band width.  I suggest people to go
back an read it if you missed it.

I would like to add one more point.

Korean -| sound is one of the trickiest vowel to romanize.  We see that
each poster came up with a variation in presenting the -| vowel.  Even
within one posting, presentation may vary.  The reason is English (spoken
in standard American accent, whatever that means) does not have a good
match.  So, someone came up with this ridiculous spelling "eo" for -| and
we are stuck with it simply because no one came up with better one, and it
was immortalized by "Seoul."

HyungDai actually promoted the name Hyoon Dah-ih, I remember reading it
somewhere.  I would not try to sell a car that the customers cannot
pronounce myself.  True to the spirit of market driven capitalism, I would
rather have customers define my car name, than forcing them to my weird and
peculiar pronouciation.

My Korean name is Hyung Joon.  (It should be spelled Hyeong Joon according
to the rule above.)  I never met a single westerner that pronounced my name
correctly except for one.  -| is very tough sound for Americans and =| is
even worse.

There are no genetic inclinations for a certain prounouciation.  Any baby
of any origin will speak his/her first/local language without any accent.
Look at all those second generation Korean kids struggling with Korean
pronouciation.  Language is not in the blood, it is in the culture.

James Choi
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: wife beating
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:35:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 11565, vincek@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Vincent Kim)
asks:

>    It looks like both Mr. P. Fisher and K Giansante are
>freshman
>    from U. of Washington. 

>    Can anyone identify them???

The plural of "freshman" is "freshmen", Vince.

You don't have to worry about me, Vince.  Lots of people know me,
and I'm okay, I assure you.  As for that other guy, I don't know
about him.  He looks like a troublemaker to me.  But you can
count on me to help you keep an eye on him.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
Subject: Re: Test: Debut Essay in A-Re Hangeul; one of "Tal-Choom" Ron.
Summary: A debut essay in "A-Re" Hangeul on "Tal-Choom" Ron (I)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:22:57 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management
Keywords: A-Re Hangeul, Test of I/O on the Net, "Tal-Choom" Ron

In article <Guest.15.726448406@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu> Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park ) writes:
>From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
>Subject: Test: Debut Essay in A-Re Hangeul; one of "Tal-Choom" Ron.
>Summary: A debut essay in "A-Re" Hangeul on "Tal-Choom" Ron (I)
>Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:13:26 GMT
>Keywords: A-Re Hangeul, Test of I/O on the Net, "Tal-Choom" Ron
>Deep Greets, K-netters:
>The following is an A-Re Hangeul file; I am reading in the file from
>diskette; As the first time attempt, it may not work, since the file may
>be "transferred" in binary mode; I will try this next time; Anyway if 
>successful, s.c.k will be informed; The file is one of the series on 
>"Tal-Choom" Ron (analogical) that are "published" here.
>
>Let's see how it works, folks,
>-----------------------
>chpark@vm.cc.purdue.edu
>
>(Need cut to the next line to read in at the Hangeul S/W, if successful)
>------------------------------
>HWP Document File V1.20 
*** THE FIRST ATTEMPT WAS A TOTAL FAILURE ***
gEE.....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong)
Subject: Sorry, I was wrong (Was: Re: Recommendation needed)
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 02:59:12 GMT

Sorry... I was wrong..

A friend of mine corrected me...

The price of the surgery is about 800,000won ~ 1,500,000won...Wow!!!

Do you think it is cheap?

Chang Jin-woong
jwjang@krissol.kriss.re.kr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
Subject: Re: Aren't you sick of talking about TWO KIMs?
Summary: Impossible to summarize? for it's too succinct.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:25:53 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management
Keywords: Discussion, Argumentation, Immorality deep inside

In article <Jan.6.18.57.05.1993.2999@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
>Subject: Aren't you sick of talking about TWO KIMs?
>Date: 6 Jan 93 23:57:06 GMT
>Let me ask you this. Aren't you guys sick of them? I thought the whole
>country was sick of them. Don't you have something better to talk
>about? Perhaps we should make alt.korean.politics.sucks.big.time where
>you all can talk about it. Really get a life, guys. If you want to
>talk about the politics, talk about something contructive like how to
>improve standard living of the poor or women's right....... You seems
>to have no life of your own and talk about others like those two kims. 
>
>Jung

*** Even near here there are *tens of Kims*.
    Some say: discussion is exchange of knowledge;
              argumentation is exchange of ignorance.
    Others say: they talk tons about airborne *ought-to*s;
                for they have immorality deep inside themselves,
                which reincarnates after they settle down from the study.
    The <rest> say: 
    Logic [reasoning] is a way of propagandizing *intellectually* one's
        cherished set of <presuppositions> unto those who are
        *intellectually* vulnerable;
    Rhetoric is a way of propagandizing *emotionally* one's
        cherished set of <presuppositions> unto those who are
        *emotionally* deceptible;
    Beating is a way of propagandizing *physically* one's
        cherished set of <presuppositions> unto those who are
        *physically* indefensible.

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chpark@vm.cc.purdue.edu
pchpark@ktrc.kotel.co.kr
___________________________________________
        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Hyundai Hunday Hyunday  HeeeYonnDayyyy
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:11:32 GMT

In article <1491@blue.cis.pitt.edu> babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>
>Why do english speaking people have such difficulty pronouncing
>the middle Y in Hyundai ?
>
>Talking to the Hyundai Deeler in the US and keep hearing
>"hun day"
>
>Is something different about the shape of the tounge ?
>Or does america think the middle Y after the H is silent ?
>

Maybe they are not used to it.  I can't think of any English word with 
<consonant>y<vowel> combination with this kind of pronunciation
intended.  There might be some, but I am sure it is pretty rare.
I remember in some Hyundai ad, it had a instructions about how to pronounce
it. 

On a related note...

I heard a marketing research firm in US had a research about the company
names and rated them based on how catchy they sound like.  For example, 
too many vowels make the name sound weak and flat.  Guess who came in dead
last (or close to last): DAEWOO

One consonant and 5 consecutive vowels (W is considered semi-vowel).  Hard
to top that one. 

Andy Kim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
Subject: CD Prices in Korea for both classical and pop?
Summary: Imported CD Prices in Korea for Classical and Pop Music?
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:45:56 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management
Keywords: CD prices, Korea, Classical, Pop

Hi, K-netters:
 Appreciate netters comments on: classical and pop CD prices in Korea
 that are imported (or made under license) from major brands: e.g.,
 - Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon (1CD)
               The Wall (2CDs; Columbia)
 - Beatles: Revolver (or the boxed set)
 - Kate Bush: The Dreaming (EMI)
 - Peter Garbriel: So, or Us...
 - R.E.M.: Automatic for the People
 - Amy Grant: Heart in Motion

 - Beethoven, Symphonies 1-9, H.v. Karajan, DDD or ADD (Boxed set; DG)
 - Shostakovich, Symphony 15, Haitink (London)
The above are just examples that are on the top of my head:
 Awaiting the comments of any netter that has visited Korea recently:
   Would be glad to see the price reference by categories:
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Thanks,
   chpark@vm.cc.purdue.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: surgery on eyelid
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 05:14:47 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1993Jan8.005235.1481@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>...... I am turned off by anyone who used surgery to improve their look.
>Imagine what they can do to YOUR body for more important objectives.

	Hmm...I don't know.. if you can notice they did some work
	on their look, that job is a failure.

	These days, they do very nice job on those.
	And that can be used for many good & sound reasons w/o doubt
	as you mentioned (I guess you meant this, right?).

	I don't mean that the desire to be a beauty is not sound;
	and I think it's very natural for anyone.

	If I add my opinion, I don't care; w/o telling me she did it,
	if I can notice it, it must be a failure and look ugly;
	if I can't, that's fine with me.

-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: Re: Hyundai Hunday Hyunday HeeeYonnDayyyy
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:26:15 GMT

In article <tyoon.726506370@husc.harvard.edu>, tyoon@husc8.harvard.edu
(Tehshik Yoon) writes:

> You know, actually, the head of the Korean Language department here is an
> American born and bred who speaks perfect Korean with your every day Seoul
> accent.  So it's not _impossible_ for an.....englisher, is it?....to 
> pronounce Korean well.
> 
I assume you're talking about Carter Eckert, yes? He certainly does speak
Korean well.  I've met maybe three or four Caucasians who speak Korean with
as much fluency and as good an accent as any native speaker.  It's rare,
but I have a feeling it will become much more common over the next
generation.  The important thing seems to be getting to Korea at any early
enough age and, as wih anything else, practive, practice, practice.  I've
got one friend (Caucasian) who's an undergrad in the Kukmun'kwa at Yonsei. 
He's in the bizarre situation where his ability to write in an educated
fashion is probably better in Korean than it is for English.  There are
always people in this world who make rigid categorizations of identity and
such impossible...
  
> -Tehshik Yoon
> tyoon@husc.harvard.edu
> 
By the way, if you do see Carter, please tell him I say hello.  Thanks.

Stephen
Epstein
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: wife beating
Date: 6 Jan 1993 02:36:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 11538, pmfisher@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick
Fisher) writes:

>    I thought that wife beating was a national sport in Korea.
>I saw it, heard it, and heard of it while living there.  

I heard that women like it.  It's supposed to make them feel
loved and wanted.  Some people say it's good for them.

I don't know, though.  Maybe that's not true.
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Korean FAQ  (VIOLATION of COPYRIGHTS)
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:08:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <9301061010.AA00666@image.anatomy.upenn.edu>, hseung@image.anatomy.up
enn.edu (Rikiya H. Seung) writes:

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                     Frequently Asked Questions
>                                for
>                         Soc.Culture.Korean
>
>                        (Unofficial Version)
>
>If you have questions and/or answers that seems more appropriate for
>this FAQ, or would like to improve an answer, please send email to
>Rikiya H. Seung (hseung@image.anatomy.upenn.edu).
>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>1. What is the purpose of this newsgroup?
>
>Soc.Culture.Korean is an on-line discussion forum for people
>interested in just about any topic faintly regarding Korean culture.


>To build a warm-hearted human integrated society is the ultimate goal
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of the newsgroup.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Hey !  Rikiya !    This is violation of copyrights.   You are going to
be put in jail for lifetime if you copy my slogan (It's kidding !!)

I enjoyed your post even though it was a little bit long.
You must be proud of your providing a sense of humor to this dried society.
Yeh,  this is a part of "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society".


BTW, I'm taking a trip to Koryeo Jung soon,  bringing a bunch of my friends.
I want you to know that all of my friends including myselfe have emty pockets.
We also will ask the owner of Koryeo Jung to fill up the oil tank of our car.

We know your credit #,  and all of expenses will be charged on your credit
card.  Call your parents in Korea right away.




                        Minho Jo, Lehigh University
                        Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
                        Industrial Engineering Department
                        MJ03@Lehigh.edu


My ultimate goal is to build, "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: The Island Chosen
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 05:21:45 -0500 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Friends,

.

       I had the opportunity of researching more information about this
beautiful place. I feel that I want to go here this summer. But, I have
a few other plans as well. I promised my roommate(who is black American
and who I have been living with since I came to America in 1987 from
Hokkaido Nippon)to live in Chinatown New York. Why a grad major in Mech.
Eng. would want to do this I do know. But, if I go with him, he'll have
to come with me to this lovely Island off the coast of Hunguk. He'll
probably want to stay. He has a deep passion for
beauty. For me, I want to meet the people, eat the food and love the culture.

So enlight of this we need information. Please would you all tell me
about passports and that political stuff and the best and educational
time that we could have. Thanks alot! I'm very grateful for your kind
help! Thanks
From: kwak@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Looking for Korean Playboy
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:21:28 GMT
Reply-To: kwak@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1htpedINNo0h@shelley.u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:
>In article: 11424 of soc.culture.korean, piglet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>(Kyung Hee) writes:
>
>>    This no joke.  I'm looking for magazines like Playboy and Penthouse
>>that
>>have Korean girls in them.  I already know that there's nothing like this
[...]
>Gosh, I don't know anything about those magazines, but I have a whole
>bunch of pictures I've taken of Korean girls here in Seattle.  They're
>all beautiful, they're all naked, and I'll share them with you for just
>$100 for a set of twelve.  Do you like two girls together?  Special
>price just for you: $7.50 per pair.  But maybe you won't like these 
>pictures; all the girls are under twenty-one.  Maybe you'd think that's
>exploitation.
[...]

i hope you were kidding about this posting, because if you weren't, you're a 
REAL SICKO. people like you digust me. 
i suggest you go out and get a life but before you do that, you
might want to take a cold, a real cold shower. 

nancy kwak
kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: bark@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bark Kwangyl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: My Thought on Wife Beating and more Thoughts...
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:35:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <70PWBAZN@cc.swarthmore.edu> sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein) writes:
>Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Is the child
>simply rambunctious or does he have a true hyperactive condition? Being
>hyperactive (or say manic-depressive) is a physical rather than purely
>psychological condition which can be easily treated medically.  In this
>case the drug is definitely better than the stick.  Beat a hyperactive
>child and you're just going to have a beaten hyperactive child on your
>hands whose inner chemistry is so strongly at odds with the discipline he's
>receiving that he (or she) will wind up a true psychological (as well as
>physical) mess.
>
>Stephen

Although you don't agree with me, I agree with you 100 %, Stephen.
I have no objection with what you said in above poster.

But the reason I am critical about my friends attitude using drug for
their boy is  that the boy's condition is not so bad as to be called
hyper-active, in my opinion.  ( I said he has just a tendency.)
Even though his parents have more chance to observe him, I think the boy is
just rambunctious, unruly, easily get excited.
He become a peaceful boy if he is baby-seated by his grandma who is 
much more strict and bossy. He know what is the border line not to be
crossed in his gandma's house.
Several storkes of spank  in his early age could have saved the boy 
from taking pills everyday.  It's a extreme but sad case.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: Re: My Thought on Wife Beating and more Thoughts...
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:01:11 GMT

In article <9079@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, bark@bohr.physics.purdue.edu
(Bark Kwangyl) writes:
> 

> Just a small experience from a bystander:
>  
>   I have a close American couple who have 7-year old boy.
>   The boy have a tendency to be hyper-active when he get excited like most 
>   of boys of that age.
>   My friends strongly oppose any use of violence and what they are doing
>   to control their boy is giving him some kind of pills prescribed
>   by their family doctor.  The boy took two or three tablets everyday
>   before he go to school and if his mom forgot to give him a proper dose,
>   his teacher instantly call to his mom for emergency supply of those pills.
>   I found this incredible fact when I baby-seated him for a day and
>   just stunned.  And I heard it's not a rare case either in America.
>   What a starange way to educate a civilized citizen!
> 
>   I am not endorsing use of whip in school at all.
>   But somtimes stick is better than  carrot.
>   Always, stick is much better than  drug.
> 
Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Is the child
simply rambunctious or does he have a true hyperactive condition? Being
hyperactive (or say manic-depressive) is a physical rather than purely
psychological condition which can be easily treated medically.  In this
case the drug is definitely better than the stick.  Beat a hyperactive
child and you're just going to have a beaten hyperactive child on your
hands whose inner chemistry is so strongly at odds with the discipline he's
receiving that he (or she) will wind up a true psychological (as well as
physical) mess.

Stephen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Discipline II
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:19:39 GMT

In article <63344@mimsy.umd.edu> zoon@cs.umd.edu (Sungzoon Cho) writes:
>  Good point.  This reminds me of the story that Confucius allegedly
>lamented young people's lack of respect toward older people in his days.
>If he spoke Korean, he might have used this term "Sa-ga-ji op-da." 
>The point I try to make is that this "lack of respect toward older people"
>criticism has been around with people in East Asia for ages and sounds
>like a BS to me.   

It seems to me next generation always has a way to top the previous
generation.  When I got into Hard Rock, and even Punk, I thought I will be
able to understand next generation's music without any problems.  Now I see
that I was wrong.

They invented "rap."  Hell, I give up.  Listen to it on your headphones.  Or
should I apply a quick whip ('mae') to set them straight?

>  Sungzoon

James Choi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: Goodbye, Cruel World.
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:35:38 GMT

In article <1392@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>
> Uhm....
> 
> I thought Henry sang "Goodbye cruel world" because
> his account may be disconnected in the new year.
> So just in case something happened and he couldn't usenet from the new one,
> he would say goodby in advance.
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> - jon

Well, thanks for worrying there, jon, but good news, James, after all, my
account won't be disconnected (actually 7007_5566 is my friend's, mine is
hechon) so not to worry, gents. I have access to usenet from my own account
also, it's just that I have to pay for it from my own pocket. That's all.

hank
-- 
***************************************************************************

Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Please note this account may be disconnected in the
                         new year.  Direct all mails to the next one if so.)
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada

"Do not worry about your problems in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are
 still greater."  A. Einstein
From: ericli@cetera.Corp.Sun.COM (Eric Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Looking for a SQE engineer knows Korean language
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:13:42 GMT
Reply-To: ericli@sun.Eng (Eric Li)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
NNTP-Posting-Host: cetera.corp.sun.com
Originator: ericli@cetera

Perform SQE duties for localized versions of Solaris 1.x and 2.x, and           
OpenWindows V2 and V3.  Build, maintain and execute test suites and procedures, 
analyze and document results.  Corrdinate testing work with other product       
groups within Sun.  Should have strong shell and "C" skills, familiarity with   
Korean ideographic language.  Requirew BSCS plus 2 years experience or        
equivalent.  Needs ability to be systematic, isolate root causes of test        
failure, while maitaining focus.  Will work closely with product developers.