HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: obz@sisd.kodak.com (Orest Zborowski COMP)
Subject: Re: changing to another virtual console...
Organization: Printer Products Eastman Kodak
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:55:54 GMT

davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.045943.925@sspiff.ampr.ab.ca>, dje@sspiff.ampr.ab.ca (Doug Evans) writes:
>
>| The SVR4/386 systems and SCO Xenix provide ioctl's to do this.
>| I think Linux should just follow suit and use those. Why add extra
>| pain to people porting applications that use the ones already in existence?
>
>  The world is breaking down to BSD and V.4, and BSD is going away...
>please use the SVR4 standard rather than xenix, if they differ. I agree
>that reinventing the wheel is not the way to go.
>-- 
>bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
>	It never ceases to amaze me that otherwise rational people, able to
>	understand calculus, compound interest, and the income tax form, can
>	continue to believe that poker is a game of chance.

i agree. i just read in unix world how svr4.2 is gonna change the face of
unix by being the standard. i dunno about that, but it is certainly true
that most flavors of unix (commercial, that is) are leaning towards svr4
at least in some fashion, and posix is closer to svr4 than bsd.

when i ported the x386 server i was faced with the svr4-isms built in, so
i grabbed the usl svr4 manual describing vt/kd handling and implemented
the bare minimum required by the server. the biggest piece that i omitted
was the vt switching.

under svr4, the kernel switching between vt's with a hot key, as is done
in linux. a process may ask the kernel to be notified if a switch is
pending, something they call process mode as opposed to auto mode. the
kernel is supposed to post a signal to the process, which must then
inform the kernel when it's ok to switch, if at all. the difficulty in
this is the bookeeping involved inside the kernel - which process has
control over what vt, what state are we in, etc, as well as keeping
track when this controlling process terminates. it's not too difficult,
just a bit tricky.

i pretty much copied the header information right from the manpages as
given in this book (the structures were given in pieces), but there wasn't
enough time for me to go back and fill in the details, so our x386 has
this stuff commented out.

please feel free to play with this construct as i don't have access to
a real svr4 machine, so i can't probe the limits of the implementation
(i.e. thats the problem with me fixing the text mode foobar - most svr4
kernels do nifty things which aren't documented too well in my book and
x386 assumes do happen, hence the problems in linux).

zorst
-- 
zorst (orest zborowski)
[obz@raster.Kodak.COM]
From: sweh@spuddy.uucp (Stephen Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Problems with mailpak
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:20:36 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

Got mailpak12 (12a I think!)

Tried to compile elm, and the program blows up in date.c
It moans about the structure of timezone in line 70.

I'm running mcc-0.96c, with a 096cpl2+dosfs6 kernel.
Also added /bin/echo script.

Any ideas?
Thanks for any help
-- 
                               Stephen Harris
               sweh@spuddy.uucp    ...!uknet!axion!spuddy!sweh

 * Meeeeow ! Call Spud the Cat on > +44 203 638780 < for free Usenet access *
From: drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Logging as root....bad idea?
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:10:07 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder

In article <*6a1H7ren8@atlantis.psu.edu> bairstow@haydn.psu.edu (Steven Bairstow) writes:
>
>What I would like is a new version of rm, where are the lastest sources? 
>The version that came on the last root disk allows someone in group other 
>to erase a file owned by root in group wheel. Even with the file I'm 
>trying to erase set to permissions 600, it will ask if you want to overide 
>these permissions and then merrily delete it. I have checked and rm is not 
>setuid. What is going on here?

1.  Check the permissions on the directory.  If it is writeable to you,
	but not sticky (bit 1000), you will be able to delete things 
	in it.  /tmp, /usr/tmp, /usr/preserve, and any other world 
	writeable directories should be sticky too.

2.  What is your UID?  Under bash, the UID shell variable will be set.
	If you have a second entry in the password file with UID 
	0, that will be treated as root too.
	 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: u31b3hs@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
Subject: Re: Spreadsheet for Linux
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:19:56 GMT

djansa@mersem.cs.wisc.edu (Dean Jansa) writes:

>	I am currently porting sc (spreadsheet calculator) to linux.
>	It's up and running on my system, but I want to test it fully
>	and get the arrow keys to work (the great curses problem).

Apart from cursor keys which I don't like (plus BSD curses doesn't like 
them :), it was very easy to compile sc on Linux.  I wouldn't call that
a port.  I use it quite often.  What are you doing?! :-)  My version is
1.6.21 (as far as I remember).

Michael
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: I can't get mmap to work
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:19:27 GMT

In article <SHARMAN.92Jul28002859@sharman.Software.Mitel.COM> sharman@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Sharman) writes:
>I was trying to use "mmap", and am having problems.
>
>I have a simple example, below, which attempts to use mmap on a file,
>and simply prints the value returned.  I looked in the source
>(linux/mm/mmap.c) and it seemed that the address has to be a valid
>address in the data space, at a multiple of 0x1000, and the length
>also has to be a multiple of that.

The current Linux mmap(2) syscall was created so that we could run the
X386 Xserver, so it's a minimal implementation.  It can mmap() /dev/mem,
no other files.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: haldane@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Steve Sykes)
Subject: TCP/IP (apologies)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:40:42 GMT

My sincere apologies to all who are about to flame me for multiply
posting the same article 4+ times.

Hey...how was I to know every my modem dropped the article would
get sent :-)

Sorry all....Please don't burn me to death

Laurence
From: hanson@pogo.fnal.gov (Steve Hanson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: LINUX DISK AVAILBLE IN CANADA
Keywords: linux disks available
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:58:39 GMT
Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL

In <1992Jul27.161509.2240@klaava.Helsinki.FI> wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:


>nothing in the GPL that says that you can't do this, as long as you make
>sources available (they don't have to be on every distribution).  If

>I have the impression that Linus doesn't mind in the least if you do it.

Well, I'm SURE Linus doesn't mind, as I've discussed it with him
in the case of the distribution we have been doing.  ALso, there
are LOTS of cases of people doing this sort of thing under the
GPL.         

-- 
Steve Hanson - FERMILAB, Batavia, Il.  (708)840-8043
hanson@pogo.fnal.gov or hanson@fnal.fnal.gov

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: peterw@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Peter Williams )
Subject: Re: select () broken in 0.96cpl2?
Keywords: KERNEL
Organization: Design Computing Unit, The University of Sydney
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:50:32 GMT

In article <dirkst.712200984@kaa>, dirkst@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Dirk Steinberg) writes:
|> Am I the only one or did someone else notice?
|> Ever since I upgraded from 0.96c pl1 to pl2 zsh and X stopped
|> working. I had no problems before. The X server does not
|> respond to mouse movements at all, and although the xterm
|> appears, there is no shell in it. When I run zsh (from hlu)
|> it prints a prompt, but I cannot type anything.
|> As ps(1) shows, in both cases the process hangs in do_select()
|> so I wonder whether it might be broken.
|> 
|> Any comments?
|> 
|> 	Dirk
|> -- 
|> ---
|> Dirk W. Steinberg
|> Aachen University of Technology
|> email: dirkst@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

It's not select() but mouse_select() that is broken.
The following patch to mouse.c is a TEMPORARY fix for this problem

----cut here-------
*** kernel/chr_drv/mouse.c.orig	Mon Jul 20 22:11:23 1992
--- kernel/chr_drv/mouse.c	Mon Jul 20 22:12:03 1992
***************
*** 77,84 ****
  		return -EBUSY;
  	if (!mouse.present)
  		return -EINVAL;
- 	if (request_irq(MOUSE_IRQ, mouse_interrupt))
- 		return -EBUSY;
  	mouse.active = 1;
  	mouse.ready = 0;
  	mouse.inode = inode;
--- 77,82 ----
***************
*** 86,91 ****
--- 84,91 ----
  	mouse.dy = 0;	
  	mouse.buttons = mouse.latch_buttons = 0x80;
  	MSE_INT_ON();	
+ 	if (request_irq(MOUSE_IRQ, mouse_interrupt))
+ 		return -EBUSY;
  	return 0;
  }
  
----cut here----------
-- 
Peter Williams                |e-mail: peterw@archsci.arch.su.oz.au
Key Centre for Design Quality |phone: +61-2-692 2053 or +61-2-660 6156
University of Sydney          |+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Jul22.140708.17513@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>In article <3082@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, eric@tantalus.dell.com (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>
>|> I would also guess (based on experience with some of the other gnu utilities)
>|> that it may be suffering from feeping creaturism.  This is, of course, purely
>|> conjecture.
>
>  Yeah, I mentioned to Stahlman once that I thought it was obscene to
>have a editor which was larger than the kernel, and he said he'd take
>care of it. I thought maybe he would make EMACS smaller...


You should have crossposted this to talk.bizarre and alt.folklore.computers. 

:-) :-)

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: Rob.Levin@f217.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: How to reclaim unused blocks
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:08:00 -0800

 DL> Hi there, 

 DL> ....But, I included in my /etc/rc file a fsck command.  Everytime I
boot  DL> my Linux partition, I get a bunch of messages saying 'Zone
XXXXX declared  DL> used but no file uses it' or something like that.  I
guess that's the  DL> same thing as those *.chk files in DOS.  I know
how to free them in DOS  DL> but how do I do it with fsck?

Did you include the "-a" option when invoking fsck?  Without that
option, your disk will not be corrected....

Rob L.


 * Origin: Via the Annex in Victoria, TX (1:3802/217)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: gis@mach4.wlu.ca (gis research)
Subject: Trying to get olvwm to work
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:41:55 GMT
Keywords: olvmw


I downloaded the olvwm binaries from banjo and installed them as intructed,
but I'm not too sure about how to run it. I start X and then type olvwm at
the Xterm, but it gives me "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)" Is this how to
run it, and if so any ideas why I get the error. If not, could someone
instruct me how to get it going. Thanks for any help,

Alastair Small
asmall2@mach1.wlu.ca or
gis@mach4.wlu.ca
From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Trivial: shutdown doesn't
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:07:35 GMT
Reply-To: LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Manchester

In article <4065@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> as@prg.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Stevens) writes:
>Since messing around with kernel configs and X11 on my 0.96c Linux
>the shutdown program (taken from .96 mcc interim) has gone on strike.

There is no shutdown program as part of the MCC interim version of Linux.
There has never been in any previous MCC interim version of Linux.

     -- Owen
     LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: steffen@gfz-potsdam.dbp.de
Subject: How to get a Mtools source ?
Reply-To: steffen@gfz-potsdam.dbp.de
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:55:04 GMT

RFC-822-Headers:
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

==================
X-Mn-Key: normal

Hi Linux community,

I ran into a problem with the sources for mtools. I downloaded the
mtools-2.0.5.tar.Z package and tried to patch it with the mtools-patches.tar
from banjo-mit.mirror.
What am I doing wrong ? (It fails at certain hunks ....)
Thanks in advance,
Steffen

--
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GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam,  Telegrafenberg A3,   O-1561 Potsdam,   Germany
#include <disclaimer.h>     /* >>> I don't like Mondays - and .sig's ! <<< */
From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: mtools, compiling problems
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:39:43 GMT
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Manchester

In article <5561@umriscc.isc.umr.edu> dminer@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Dan Miner) writes:
>	Well, I finally got around to updating my system.  I got
>bunches of stuff.  I have gcc 2.2.2 installed.  Now, I'm trying to 
>compile the mtools (the one that is one file for all) and I got
>a problem.  When linking, gcc complains that got_signal isn't there.

The patches which I used to compile the single file mtools in the last
MCC interim version of Linux can be found at ftp.mcc.ac.uk in mtool205.ud.Z
in /pub/linux/mcc-interim/0.96c/patches.  They do not have this problem.

>Also, gcc complains about gets() in stdio.. saying that you shouldn't
>use it?  Why on earth is that in there?  If you have functions that
>are that unreliable, REMOVE IT!  I do believe it is ansi, so why say
>something like that?  *fume*

My patches referred to above in fact change all the gets() calls to
fgets().  The gets function is inherently dangerous because it makes
no safety check on the length of the string read; therefore any
call to gets may cause the program to abort or, worse, overwrite
other data if the input is longer than the buffer.  I suspect the
ANSI committee would have liked to drop gets, but couldn't give the
possibilty of dropping it serious consideration because of its
extensive use in existing programs.  The use of gets was one of the
weaknesses exploited by the renowned Morris Internet Worm.  Anyway,
the GNU C library (to which I think the warning belongs) clearly
must contain gets to be ANSI, but wishes to discourage you from
using it.  Whether the chosen method is ideal is debatable, and I
don't know whether you can suppress the warning messages.

     -- Owen
     LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
From: cummings@hammer.Prime.COM (Kevin Cummings)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help Gcc, ftp tcp/ip, x
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:44:19 GMT
Organization: Prime Computer R&D

In article <1992Jul31.201047.229@lincoln.ac.nz>, bell2@lincoln.ac.nz writes:
>  Help!  Installing Gcc , X
> Query: FTP & tcp/ip  
> 
> I have installed linux 0.96c with modest success,  I now have a basic
> system set up on a 386 ,80mb drive ,1.2mb & 1.44mb floppies,+ trident svga
> and an ethernet card, 
> 
> The hard drive is partitioned with
> 40mb MS-dos 5.0
> 40mb Linux
> 3mb  MS-dos (available for sacrifice)
> 
> I'm impressed so far, I thought that installing a *nix on an x86
> would be a bit of a nightmare,  how wrong could I be.
> 
> However,
> I'm am having trouble installing GCC 2.xx on my system, the method I
> have been using to install other software is as follows,
> 
> 1.    FTP files onto a VAXstation  (I have it on my desk)
>       I have a VMS version of TAR & COMPRESS/UNCOMPRESS
>       (which can be quite useful at times)
> 
> 2.    uncompress the files on the VAX
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Try leaving the file in comprerssed format.

> 3.    Transfer tar files to the 386 using ftp from dos

	Transfer the .tar.Z files to the 386

> 4.    copy the tar files to floppy using rawrite2

	Copy the .tar.Z files to the floppy using rawrite2

> 5.    Boot linux and read the disks.

	Boot LINUX and read the disks.  The uncompress the tar files under LINUX.

> The problem is that this won't work for tar files larger than 1.44mb
> 
> i.e. 2.xxdb.tar,2.xxmisc.tar

	Ah, but the compressed images WILL fit on either 5.25 or 3.5 inch disks!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael O'Reilly)
Subject: Re: Extended File System
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:15:04 GMT

rohrer@fncrd6.fnal.gov (Keith Rohrer) writes:
: In article <711857605.F00039@remote.halcyon.com> Rob.Levin@f217.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Levin) writes:
: [deleted...]
: >support for the extended FS.  You just need to locate the special mkfs
: >program and I think a special mount.  
: 
: And while we're at it, does anybody know if the efs is slower/faster than
: the Minix fs, and/or slower/faster than OS/2's HPFS or somebody's (BSD's?) 
: FFS?

The efs is just the minix file system hacked for larger block numbers
and larger inode numbers. So speed rateing go

minxi fs is approx same speed as efs.
FFS is significantly faster.

Don't know where HPFS stands.

: >Rob L.
: > * Origin: Via the Annex in Victoria, TX (1:3802/217)
: 
: 	Keith
: (rohrer@fncrd0.fnal.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cgd@agate.berkeley.edu (Chris G. Demetriou)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BSD Unix aka Freedom is a myth....
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:52:56 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Kernel Hackers 'r' Us
NNTP-Posting-Host: agate.berkeley.edu

for real information on the USL vs. BSDI suit, see the documents in:

ftp.uu.net	vendor/bsdi/usl


Chris
cgd@agate.berkeley.edu
386bsd haaker, and ftpmeister on agate...
-- 
                            Chris G. Demetriou
                             cgd@berkeley.edu

     I'm not from the computer center, and I'm *NOT* here to help *YOU*!
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: unixsys@ssg.com (Rick Emerson)
Subject: Re: /lib/libc2.2.2
Organization: System Support Group
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:01:06 GMT

X-Mn-Key: X11
X-Mn-Key: GCC

David Engel <david@istwok.ods.com> writes:

> 
> > This is an additional post To the one relating to xv.
> > I've been trying to compile some X apps, the last couple of days.(oneko as
> > an example)  The compile goes fine, but when run, it prints 
> > 	/lib/libc2.2.2
> > 	/lib/libm2.2.2
> > 
> > ... Any ideas, anyone?
> 
> The output you are seeing is from the code that informs the kernel
> which shared libraries to use.  It is the first thing called by the
> startup code (before main).  When argc == 0, that code prints the
> required shared libs on stdout and then exits instead of actually
> asking the kernel to load the libraries.  This is how ldd works.
> [explanation omitted]

xv -ro -max -q [image file] & 
works like a champ here when displaying an image on the root (i.e.,
background) window.

Rick


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: butler@cs.tulane.edu (Larry Butler)
Subject: only 4 pty's
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:23:26 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22339]: rex

When linux boots up it says 4 pty's. How  do I get more than 4 pty's?

Thanks,
Larry (butler@cs.tulane.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jgifford@attmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: minor problem, any solutions?
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:17:59 GMT
Reply-To: jgifford@attmail.com
Organization: The Internet

Well, I am useing .96, no patches.
I am useing xcomm to communicate.  ;)
I want to get newer everything, so I want to start with a commercial
ftp/telnet service.  IDS.com
I connected, and got an account, however, when the menu comes up,
there is one problem.  The terminal gets put into graphics mode, and won't
restore.  :(
As a workaround, I started xcomm on another vc, and 'took over' the communication.
I then quit and logout from problem terminal.  stty sane, setterm -init -reset
-clear, anyother  method, just doesn't work.
only sync, then C-A-D seems to work.

I figure that the solution is to get the latest of everything, but I can't until
I get this to work.  :(

If you know of any other solution, please let me know. :)
Thanks, Jim Gifford
jim@raskol.attmail.com

PS, solutions requireing me to compile something won't work, as I accidentally
rm'ed the include directory(gcc 2.1)    :(
Thanks in advance.  :)
From: c-amb@math.utah.edu (Mark B. Alston)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help! everyone is "bin",
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:13:30 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Utah


	Currently when anyone besides root logs in they are given bin
privilages.  whoami always shows bin while who shows the correct users
loged in.  I am running off of a highly modified mcc-interim release.
Just before the problem occured I copied the shutdown binaries from
the 0.96 root disk.  I also copied mount, and a few other programs
from the root disk (I can't remember them all now).  I checked the
/etc/passwd file and the /etc/group file and everything seems ok.  Any
Ideas?
Thanks in advance.

--
>-->Mark Alston                "An increasing minority of our more progressive
>-->c-amb@math.utah.edu         Statesmen are of the opinion that true mercy
>-->al3273@physics.utah.edu     would dictate that . . . all who fail to pass
				the Final Examination of the University should
				be either imprisioned for life, or extinguished
				by a painless death."
:)						-A. Square    "Flatland"
From: platt@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Crouton Man)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: bug in /dev/tty
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:05:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ok, i am using 0.96cpl2 + autodetect + filefs.
shell: rc ( and bash for test )

it is my understanding that you should be able to open /dev/tty
in order to capture keyboard input even if the stdin is redirected 
from a file or pipe. however, when i do the following:

cat foo | myprogram 

and 

	fd = open("/dev/tty",O_RDONLY); 
	printf("fd: %d\n",fd);

i get 

	fd: 0
	
which should be stdin, and it is, but not the keyboard (tty).
should not i have a separate file descriptor from the stdin? 
more importantly why don't i, and how do i open the keyboard (tty),
as opposed to stdin (which has been redirected from stdin).

any ideas? 

croutons
croutons@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux