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From: jenkirtl@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Jennifer Kirtley)
Subject: Re: QL: "DUfE": observations
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:02:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.175842.25220@u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong) writes:
>
>> Spoilers
>
>
>> Yes, the rape set-up scene was genuinely creepy, and she did a
>> competent job of it. But "skillful" and "enthusiastic" are not the
>> same thing. She seemed almost apathetic about her mission...she
>> didn't seem to care what she did, just so long as she got home.
>
>Was I the only one who had a problem with this?  It just wouldn't have
>worked the way she set it up.  She used her own fingernails to scratch
>her face.  All Sam had to do was show that he didn't have any blood
>and skin under his nails, and then show that her fingernails were quite
>bloody.

Well, if Frank had been in any mood to listen, Sam would have time
to point these things out.  But remember, Sam was so shocked by Alia's
appearence, then her betrayal of him, that he probably wasn't thinking
straight.  And Frank saw his wife with gashes on her face, and though
the explanation that Jimmy had attacked Connie made little sense, the
idea that Connie had done that to herself in order to frame Jimmy
made even less sense (just about as much sense as Connie and Jimmy not
*really* being Connie and Jimmy, but of course, that didn't stop Sam
from trying that explanation...)

I had a couple of wisdom theeth removed yesterday, so if none of this
make any sense, blame it on the Percocet! :)

  -Jenni

"Theorizing that one could travel through Boston on the MBTA,
Dr. Sam Beckett stepped onto the Green Line...and vanished!
Trapped on the `T', Dr. Beckett finds himself leaping from
station to station, using `T' Passes that are not his own...
His only companion is Al, a `B' line car that only Sam can
see and ride..."
From: cgallagher@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: REAL WEIRD LEAP IDEA!y
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:47:42 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <92310.120901MRM122@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MRM122@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> OK, here's a concept I thought would be interesting (inspired after the idea
> about Sam as a woman kissing a man).
> Sam leaps in, and he is in bed (similar to Genesis or The Play's the Thing).
> There is a woman in bed who kisses him, says, "Good morning, honey." and leaves
> the room.  Sam is happy, since this seems like an easy start to a leap.  He
> gets out of bed, and goes to a mirror... to find he has lept into a woman!
> Of course, the censors would block this with a sledgehammer- look at the
> problems with "Running for Honor".  But it would make an interesting episode,
> don't you all think?
> 
>                        M. R. Maresca

	Its a great idea.  I'll make you a bet the censors would have 
less problems with two women than with two men.  After all, thew 
lesbian thing has already been done by L.A. Law.  I cant think of a 
way for Sam to leap into a gay guy that would be as surprising as 
kissing the woman.  Any ideas?

Colin

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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Subject: Re: QL: "DUfE": observations
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:00:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.093244.6479@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>
>I had mixed reactions about the EL as well -- I liked the idea of her, but I
>have to say I am not crazy about the actress who plays her.

Spoilers

>
>The previous poster said she was not evil or threatening enough, and with that
>I must disagree -- that scene where Frank comes home (I won't write anymore,
>if you've seen the episode, you know what I mean, if not, there are no 
>spoilers) was wonderfully chilling.  I just wish they could recast the role.
>I dunno -- something about her bothered me.

I think I was the previous poster...at any rate, I felt she wasn't
quite so evil...

Yes, the rape set-up scene was genuinely creepy, and she did a
competent job of it. But "skillful" and "enthusiastic" are not the
same thing. She seemed almost apathetic about her mission...she
didn't seem to care what she did, just so long as she got home.
Sam, on the other hand, wants very much to get home, but he'll
never sacrifice his principles just for the sake of doing so.

She's not the Evil Leaper...more of the Amoral Leaper. I didn't
really see much of strength of character or anything...And I
*couldn't* believe she did a 180 and refused to pull the trigger.
Undoubtedly I don't want to see Sam get shot, but was *anyone*
truly swayed by his "Good"/"Evil" argument? It takes extreme lack
of conviction to do that.

And if she can be swayed once, by a speech like that, she can be
swayed again. And again...


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
				Leapers do it with...mirrors.
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From: morrissey@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: QL-Episode Guide
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:04:28 GMT

In article <25008@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, cara@cs.arizona.edu (Cara Wallace) writes:
> I am also interested in receiving a Quantum Leap
> Episode Guide.  I have never seen one and am very
> interested.  Thank you.
> 
> 
> Cara Wallace
> University of Arizona
> cara@.cs.arizona.edu
> ................................................................................



Me, too, please.

Janet Morrissey
"Mostly Harmless"

morrissey@stsci.edu

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From: fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie)
Subject: Re: QL: Ran out of tape-- HELP!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:37:15 GMT

In <1992Nov11.091125.60678@cc.usu.edu> sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne) writes:

>In article <BxJIqs.A4I@techbook.com>, peter@techbook.com (Peter Sarrett) writes:
>It's the B**g**m*n.  There have been cable outages around the country, too.
>I was all right, but I had my local shaman "clean out" all the negative
>energy earlier in the day, so there was nothing for Zoey to work on . . .
>This episode is going to start a *lot* of discussions.  None of which will
>be resolved until a) Alia comes back and answers some questions, or b)
>Sally and/or Beth talk to their sources and get the Straight Dope.
>                                                                         

	THERE ARE ALWAYS POWER/CABLE OUTAGES SOMEWHERE!!!!  CABLE'S TOO
UNPREDICTABLE, POWER COMPAINES TOO STUPID, AND THE FACT THAT IF ENOUGH
PEOPLE HAVE CABLE, IT *H - A - S* TO GO OUT SOMEWHERE!!!  SHEESH!!!!
JUST FOR THAT...
	

			BOOGIEMAN!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......ROT IN HELL!!!!!!!


--

_______________________________________________________________________________
Alan S. Lurie, Esq., Time Traveller Extrordinaire = fletch@camelot.bradley.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       "Don't do anything that I wouldn't do.  But, if you do, take
	pictures."
		              -- Al, QUANTUM LEAP
From: tmm@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tim McCaffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Evil (Spoiler-free)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:22:06 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Devon Engineering Offices

You know, its strange, but just as Alia (sp?) leaped I got a burst of
static for about 5 seconds.  It cleared up when *Sam* leaped.  I talked
to some other people, and we think KYW-3 is probably the one that screwed
up.

Shades of the B*****man.
						Tim McCaffrey
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From: tmm@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tim McCaffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DUfE
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:30:21 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Devon Engineering Offices

The name of the computer for Dark QL:  Wasn't it Largoes? (or something
similar).  Isn't that the same name as the Sign of Chaos from Zelzany's
Amber series? 

						Tim McCaffrey
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From: bdsm@poincare.WPI.EDU (Billy Don McConnell)
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Subject: .sig: observations
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:23:42 GMT
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|> --                                                     vvvv
|> Paul Ortega			|  "Would you believe two cops
|> 2015 Cedar Bend Dr., #1105   |   in a rowboat?" - Maxwell Smart 
|> Austin, TX 78758		|________^^^^^^^__________________
|> (512) 832-9197			ortega@cactus.org
                                    
                                  I guess, then, you could call 'em
                                         "RoBoatCops", huh?

Sorry...it's a reflex.

Don McConnell
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From: Dorian <dejordy@faxon.com>
Subject: Re: B7 Character Analysis
Keywords: Blakes 7, Blake, Avon
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:32:45 GMT

[This response was mailed to the BLAKE7 mailing list.  I have edited
it and cross-posted it to news with permission.  --Betsy Ramsey]

> [disagreement about Avon's need to be needed]

I think we sort of agree.  I think Avon really is more idealistic than he
portends.  However, I don't think HE ever realises it.  For example, even in
"Blake" he clearly seperates himself (someone practical) from idealists
(Blake).

On the other hand, it's as soon as "Breakdown" that Avon seems to have lost his
materialistic side (albeit it shows up again in "Gold", but the real motivation
there was the "outside chance to kill Servalan" and also in "Sarcophagus" but
even there he quite easily gives into not going after the meteor with the
rare and valuable minerals).

So.  What we get back to is the "need to be needed".  I don't think Avon 
has any co-dependency personality traits.  What I meant in my original 
posting was that Avon needs to continually prove to others (especially
intellegent others) that he is superior.  This is what feeds his ego.
Perhaps the most obvious statement of this trait is in "Redemption" where 
he jeers Blake and goes so far as to say "Perhaps in the future, they won't 
rely on you to provide all the answers."  

Other specific examples are in "Harvest of Kairos" when he contempuously 
tells Terrant "They were an obvious possibility!" and in Blake when he
chastises Soolin and Dayna "Is staying alive too difficult for you?" and 
perhaps the most amusing is his in "Games" when he takes a certain amount
of "professional pride" in proving true what Orac lables "a rather simplistic
theory."

The clinching point for me that Avon needs to have people around to feed his
superior complex's "appetites" was in Horizon when, after cold calculating
Avon, with his cold calculating buddy Orac decide that alone he can pilot the
ship around the universe avoiding or outrunning the Federation forever with all
that "loot" on board yet he still goes to save Blake and Co.  I don't think he
saves Blake and Co. out of idealism (or at least what he recognizes as idealism
in himself) but rather, because it's of no use to be superior to a nonexistant
crew.  "Where's the fun in that?"

Another very-Avon characteristic which I find incongruous with idealism 
is his self-interest.  The only thing worse than not having anyone to be
superior to is not being alive.  In those times when it looks the most grim 
and truly life-threating, Avon looks out for himself first.  Prime 
examples are "Orbit" and "Dawn of the Gods"

So, I agree Avon is more idealistic than he originally thought.  However,
I don't really think that he sees himself as idealistic.  I think he finds
other intelligent people rewarding as stimuli both to feed his superiority
complex and to challenge his intellect and so he endeavors to keep them 
around.  (I also believe he fights the Federation for more personal reasons
rather than idealistic ones....)

Dorian...
From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Proportion Of FX in SF
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:30:30 GMT


   Has anybody ever done a survey of SF shows ( or even films )
regarding the proportion of live action to special effect shots ?
If so, would you either send it to me or post it here. Could be 
interesting. Also include another catagory with half/half shots,
i.e. actors working in front of a blue screen. 
    
                thanks ! 
                  jon ( jdng90@uk.ac.soton.ecs ) 



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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Covington Cross on Hiatus
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 23:08:47 GMT


Read in the recent tv section of Washington Post that
Covington Cross (as well as Crossroads) is being put on hiatus.
Thought all  the Covington Cross haters in the newsgroup
would like to know about this.
-- 

                      Glenn E. Host - Reston, VA
Very grateful guest of Openage - the best SCO service shop in the area
************* my views represent no one - not even myself. ****************
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From: ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega)
Subject: Re: QL: "DUfE": observations
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:52:47 GMT

In article <1du4tqINNlmg@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> roger@oit.itd.umich.edu (Roger Espinosa) writes:
>
>Yeah, spoilers on "Deliver us from Evil...
>

>

>the Connie->Alia morph was interesting, and the mirror tricks were
>delightful. What didn't make sense, of course, was why Connie was being
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>so nice to Jimmy, and *acting* the part *infinitely* better than Sam
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ever has. Sorta weird. 

It was a subtle way to destroy the marriage.  The plan was
probably for "Connie" to GRADUALLY neglect Frank and the kid,
while paying more attention to Jimmy.  If she had suddenly
changed behavior, everyone would have wondered what was wrong
and tried to do something about it.  The gradual attack slowly
drove people away rather than getting them to try to solve
the problem.


-- 
Paul Ortega			|  "Would you believe two cops
2015 Cedar Bend Dr., #1105      |   in a rowboat?" - Maxwell Smart 
Austin, TX 78758		|_________________________________
(512) 832-9197			ortega@cactus.org
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From: billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones)
Subject: Re: Subplots
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:29:54 GMT

jms@romana.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) writes:
>In message <1992Nov11.023308.7401@grebyn.com>, billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:
>>I HATE split-plot stories!  My worst fear going into this episode was ...

>Jeremy, are you ever going to learn?
>1) The proper term is subplot, not "split-plot".
>2) The use of subplots is a standard device for dramatic works.  You will
>   find them all over the place, in novels, plays, movies, and TV shows.
>3) Intelligent people do not have problems with subplots.  They understand
>   how subplots make stories more interesting by adding to the dramatic
>   tension.

3)No need to insult my intelligence.
2)I am well aware of the use of subplots in stories.  Typically, they
involve supporting characters, and are not set equal in stature to the
main plot.  Example:  The plot of What Price Gloria dealt with Gloria's
affair with Buddy, and Sam's attempt to get her out of it w/o her
killing herself.  Sam's experience as a woman (esp. his harrassment by
Buddy) was a sub-plot.
1)Hence my use of the phrase "split-plot."  When there are two distinct
stories, both of which are given equal time and emphasis (or the powers
that be attempt to give them equal emphasis, or change their minds in
mid-stream, etc.), one cannot merely designate one arbitrarily as a
subplot.

So are you claiming that the evil leaper was merely a sub-plot to the
Jimmy story?  No, that's not it.  It must be that the Frank & Connie
situation was a subplot to the evil leaper plot.  Except that it
involved all the main characters, and was considered to be the reason they
were all there in the first place.  "Sub" is not the word I would use to
describe it.  Unless, of course, you want to attach it to something
other than "plot."

Jeremy Billones				billones@grebyn.com
"You bust through the door and create a diversion.  They all turn and
aim at you.  You try to sweet talk them out of blowing your brains out,
while I sneak around back, bust in, and *really* surpise 'em!"
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From: mblum@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cerebus)
Subject: QL: Evil Leaper (SPOILERS)
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:34:13 GMT

Spoilers about Deliver Us From Evil ahead. . .

My theory about Alia and Zoey's existence is this:

There are two alternate futures (futures from our POV, that is).  One
is the good future, in which Sam is the leaper.  But the events in the
past that are screwed up, that Sam needs to change, are the ones that
are supposed to happen, right?  He needs to fix them, presumably, so
that the future he knows continues to exist.  But until he fixes them,
the time period he came from won't exist, which is why he can't leap
home.  He can't go back, because the particular timestream hasn't been
finalized.  Al exists because that timestream does exist, just not as
the *only* possibility.  Presumably, every successful mission Sam
completes brings the probability of the good timeline higher.

Alia and Zoey come from the timeline that Sam is trying to prevent
from existing.  In this timeline, Sam didn't fix things, so instead of
a good Project Quantum Leap, there was an evil one.  Alia's mission in
time, therefore, is essentially the same as Sam's--she's trying to
make her timeline be the one that will exist.  This provides a reason
why Sam has yet to stop leaping.  He's been going around setting
things right, while at the same "time," Alia's been doing just the
opposite.  Remember, it *doesn't matter* if the evil Project QL
started later than the good one, because we're dealing with time
travel.  But, anyhow, until either Sam or Alia is stopped from ever
leaping again (presumably by death), the alternate timelines will
continue to exist simultaneously, because the quantum events that
determine which one will ultimately exist keep balancing good with
evil, not allowing either to win.  Of course, this time, good beat
evil, but that's because they happened to end up in the same place at
the same time.  I wonder who will win, Sam or Alia--tough guess, hmm?
:)

Anyway, that's my theory.

-- Matt
+------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
|  Matt "Matt" Blum            | "Hello.  My name is Oedipus.  You are    |
|                              |      my father.  Prepare to die."        |
| mblum@cs.brandeis.edu        |                                          |
|                              | I am not politically incorrect.          |
|  (617)736-5894               | I am politically challenged.             |
+------------------------------+------------------------------------------+

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From: jenkirtl@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Jennifer Kirtley)
Subject: Re: QL: Deliver Us opinions (SPOILERS)
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:03:41 GMT


<Spoilers, bail out now!>



This is my take on the "how did Al see Alia?" question.  My
understanding is that Al in a sense `sees' through Sam's eyes.
So, if by touching, Sam and Alia could see each other, doesn't
it follow that Al and Zoe could also see Alia and Sam?

  -Jenni

"Theorizing that one could travel through Boston on the MBTA,
Dr. Sam Beckett stepped onto the Green Line...and vanished!
Trapped on the `T', Dr. Beckett finds himself leaping from
station to station, using `T' Passes that are not his own...
His only companion is Al, a `B' line car that only Sam can
see and ride..."
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From: bs895@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terri M. Librande)
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Subject: Re: QL: "DUfE": observations
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:41:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Just so the folks in Gr. Britian and Europe that get this net don't 
get mad at me.

I think very much so that Zoey and Alia will win the next time.  A
minor victory like you said, but a victory in some sense--they want
revenge.  Especially Zoey--who almost seemed as if she wanted to hug
Alia as she was torn into the time stream.  She's going to be out for
blood the next time, and no doubt about that.

Lothos is their version of Ziggy.  As I've said before, I think that
Ziggy is the obsolete version of Lothos.  And whoever created Lothos
and implanted it's engrams on him, made him evil, the oppisite of Ziggy.
Well, Ziggy has it's times of nastiness, but not out and out evil.  I
IMO, I think that Alia and Zoey are not agents of the devil.  Just wanting
to put my two cents in on that one.
Terri in Cleveland
-- 
"My armor, my sword!  More misadventures?  Adventures old friend!"

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Channel and Gerry Anderson
Organization: none
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:11:24 GMT

In article <WHITE.92Nov9164222@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu> white@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master) writes:
>
>	Could someone please tell me if the Sci-Fi channel has started
>airing Thunderbirds and/or Captain Scarlet, and also at what times they
>are aired?  My local cable company has no plans to carry the channel,
>but another local company is carrying it, so I'm hoping to have a friend 
>tape the episodes when they come on.  Finally, have they aired any Quark
>episodes?
>
>Dave White
>--

Every morning at 7:30, minnesota time, they are showing "Stingray", and I have
a hunch that they will alternate other Gerry Anderson programs with it,
much like "Galactica/Buck Rogers"
"Quark" is already owned by Comedy Central <Ha! had it, and I am figuring that
CC has it since the merger with The Comedy Channel and Ha!>

Hope this helps!
					--Judex--
From: jenkirtl@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Jennifer Kirtley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL:New Blood Revenge
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:11:12 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

Okay, having leapt (um, *really* no pun intended, honest!) into
this QL thing with both feet, I've tracked down The Novel.  This
of corse prompts more questions.  Namely, does anyone know when
this book was written?  Within the first 20 pages there are major
conflicts with the (apparent) rules of the show.  This of course
also begs the question about canon, as in is it or isn't it?

Sorry if this subject has been hashed to death before my conversion,
e-mail replies could cut down on bandwith... :)

  -Jenni

(my .sig is currently acting as companion for a Leaper which is
why you don't see it here.  I'm still working on getting it out
of the Imaging Chamber...)
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