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From: jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:23:11 GMT

In <BzADDt.Lw7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
## Various crap about Troi going to wear a uniform...##

>To answer a few lame rebuttals before they begin:

>Rebuttal: But she's the ship's counselor!  And she has empathic powers!
>Response: So?  Why does that mean that she doesn't wear a uniform like  
>all the rest of the crew wear?

>Rebuttal: She wears that so people can more easily see her breasts.
>Response: What part do her breasts have in the show?

>Rebuttal: She wore one when she was some years older.
>Response: And up to this show, that fact really helped in interpreting  
>the show as both agist and sexist; very much saying that older women  
>officers are less attractive so they'd better wear a uniform to cover  
>their unsightly breasts.

>Maybe she'll get with the rest of the ship and wear a uniform from now  
>on.

>Rebuttal: Gee, I hope not.  I really like her in that skimpy  
>two-sizes-too-small thing.
>Response: When you grow up, you'll realize that that caricature of a  
>woman is not only degrading but extremely inaccurate as well.


Well.....
How about the fact that Troi is a non-military crew member, whereas everone
else comes from the academy, and a military. Military people wear uniforms,
non -military don't have to.

And why is it inaccurate to say that I like her in "that skimpy two-sizes-
too-small thing"?

regards,
Jaimie
From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Alert in transporter beam?
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:48:00 GMT
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If people are unconscious in the matter stream, then there would have been 
no way for Worf and the security team to find the people from the science 
vessel.
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From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Chain of Command - This week?
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:46:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163814.2171@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_clarkmj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.040635.20715@trentu.ca>, tchambers@TrentU.CA (panda's bear) writes:
>> Does anyone know if Chain of Command is really being shown starting this 
>> week?
>YES! At least that is what was advertise on the local stations down here
>in Texas.


According to promos, it will air in Denver on Saturday, 19 December.
How unusual for them to run something new during Christmas holidays!
I can hardly wait ...



--
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Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: stewart on leno's show
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 23:28:36 GMT

In a previous article, umoster0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sean K. Ostermann) wrote:
>You should come to the 1994 World Science Fiction Convention here in
>Winnipeg.  I am sure that some of the Star Trek actors should be here.  I
>hope so, I am planning on working at the convention (as long as it doesn't
>get in the way of school!)
> 
Don't expect any actors...I've been to two WorldCons (Boston '89 and Orlando 
'92), and no Trek actors were amongst the speakers.  Star Trek is slowly 
gaining more interest at these cons, though.  In '89 there was one very small 
Trek-oriented speech; Melinda Snodgrass, then the script supervisor, who was 
really there to talk about the Wild Card fantasy series she's written for.  
This year there were six talks, mostly by Bjo Trimble, who's written "The Star 
Trek Concordance" and "On the Good Ship Enterprise".

I highly recommend these conventions, no matter how much Trek.  They are a 
blast!

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Captains Yacht
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:09:40 GMT
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In <Bz02zJ.EAn@news.ucs.mun.ca> ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Edward Reddy  MI) writes:

>I agree. When they make new 'alien' ships for ALMOST every other
>episode, a small 'Yacht' is no major financial undertaking when we look
>at the complexity of ships made for other episodes. 

Yes, but the yacht, when docked, is *part* of the Enterprise.  Just
building a yacht model wouldn't be enough.  You'd have to modify the 
Enterprise model also to show the separation.  The Enterprise is
undoubtedly the most expensive model produced for the show, and
modifying it would not be inexpensive.  It  might take several weeks
for the modelmakers to do the modifications, during which time the
Enterprise model would be unavailable for filming.  Unless the
modifications were done between seasons, that could interfere with 
the production schedule.  And if the mods were done between seasons,
there wouldn't be a current script to justify it.

I would like to see the yacht (especially since it has an aerodyne
propulsion system which, unlike most Star Trek propulsion systems,
really is grounded in fact and quite feasible), but I can see how
they might have trouble getting it past the accounting department.
 
Hell, they haven't even been able to come up with enough money to
show the main shuttle bay.  Maybe when they start doing TNG movies...
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:49:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec16.200352.28202@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, gkatz@csws11.ic.sunysb.edu
(Gerald W Katz) writes:
>In article <ericw.724358472@hobbes> ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa) writes:
>
>>Federation Hand Phasers come equiped with RADAR Lock, ECM, and a gyroscopic
>>interface to track the target as the target and/or Riker are moving!!!
>>
>>>>>>Ericw
>
>
>Then why is Worf always missing his target? :-)
>
>gkatz
>
Worf is a fucking Klingon, a warrior, He doesn't believe in this pansy radar
shit, he'd rather fight the spanish armada with a longsword and a piece of
chewing gum.

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From: Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House)
Subject: NOVEL VOTING-- Final results (short version)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:22:09 GMT

	Tantaraa!

	This is the short form of the novel voting results.

Thanks to everyone that voted!

Abbreviations:
	DD	Diane Duane
	MEEMA	_My_Enemy,_My_Ally_, by Diane Duane
	PD	Peter David
	ARAH	_A_Rock_And_A_Hard_Place_

	TOS	The Old Series
	TNG	The Next Generation


VOTERS: 15

Favorite TOS novel: MEMA (DD) (5 votes)
Least Favorite TOS novel: _The Prometheus Design_ (2 votes)
Favorite non-canon TOS character: (tie, with 4 votes each)
	Ael t'Rllaillieu (MEMA)  
	Lt. Naraht (MEMA)
Least favorite non-canon TOS character: (5-way tie at one vote)

Favorite TNG novel: _Q-In-Law_  (PD)  (5 votes)
Least Favorite TNG novel: (8-way tie at one vote)
Favorite non-canon TNG character: Commander Stone (ARAH) (2 votes)
Least Favorite non-canon TNG character: (5-way tie at one vote)

Favorite writer: DD (7 votes)
Most consistently good writer: DD (7 votes)
Best characterizations: DD (7 votes)
Best Plots: DD (7 votes)

Should've, could've been better award: (11-way tie at one vote)

Thanks again for voting! Complete results can be found in the 
long version of this article.

--Denes House



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From: al372@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Merle Rutschke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Every Good Boy Deserves Favor?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:21:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Dale,

  BTW, "Every Good Boy Deserves Favor" is also the name of a
Moody Blues album..  

LL&P >:

Merle  al372@cleveland.freenet.edu

Also a Moody Blues fan...

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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: Where are the Yeomans? (was Re: Officer ranks)
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.001939.1822@netcom.com>, linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
|> All right, the Commodore question seems to be setteled. So in keeping with the
|> navy tradition, where are the Yeomans? TOS had plenty with Janice Rand being
|> the best known Yeoman. Anoyne seen any on TNG?
|> 
Yeomans are no longer required as the Enterprise-D now has multi-media log
entry and progress reporting technology.  Picard also has an office where
he can sit and review the logs (remember his desk?) and "sign them off". 
He doesn't need someone bringing him a clipboard to sign.

Which reminds me... has anyone noticed the similarity of the clipboard like
things Yeoman Rand would bring to Kirk and the electronic notebooks that
UPS now uses?  Maybe Janice was really a shipping clerk 8-).

Ron

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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Summary: Big name TNG stars
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:12:27 GMT

In article <Byz0Bu.2sJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
>In article <1g0t0qINNrv4@life.ai.mit.edu> botteron@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu (Carol J. Botteron) writes:
>>Not to start or repeat any rumors, but just suppose that Captain
>>Picard gets promoted to admiral, and the E needs a new captain.
>>Who should it be?
>>
>  Anyone who is going to replace Stewart will have to be as charismatic,
>enigmatic, well-rounded, seasnoned, and talented as Stewart.  Frakes is right   
>out.  Without Picard he's nothing. I would suggest someone like Sean Connery
>or Peter O'Tool.  Of course, being such big stars, they probably never do it.
>
>
Here's an interesting follow-up question to the above.  What big name stars
could you see playing the parts of your favorite TNG characters?
I've always thought:

Jean-Luc Picard --> Sean Connery
Tasha Yar       --> Jessica Lange (the resemblence is uncanny, see Cape Fear)

 Who else do you think for the other roles?

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From: f_williams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Worf
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:05:15 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Beauty and the Beast was written by Linda Woolverton.  I met Linda at 
a family reunion back in October (she happens to be my new husband's 
second cousin); she's a delightful woman.  Produced BandtheB and a new 
baby in the same year, too!  She did mention that Belle was intended 
to be a feminist -- seems that some of the news media skirted around 
the "f" word and challenged her to admit it!  Seemed obvious to me and 
my daughters.

The meeting happened before I got the videotape and noticed that the 
Beast is a Worf-clone.  I wish I could ask her if she watches TNG.

Leigh Williams
SFASU, Library Computing
F_WILLIAMS@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU
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From: myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:26:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160422.14365@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrubake@ketone.ecn.purdue.edu (Admiral) writes:
>In article <BzADJJ.D89@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:

>>
>>  As far as the implications of this episode are concerned, this should prove,
>>beyond a doubt, that Star Fleet is a military organization.  Not a very good
>>one, but military nonetheless.  Of course, the tree huggers out there who
>>happen to like startrek will remain unconvinced, but who cares.  Proof is 
>>proof.
>>
>
>This in itself is not proof. The structure of Star Trek is that Star Fleet
>in "controlled" for the most part by the Federation Council. It was
>clearly shown in this episode that some within Star Fleet's ranks are
>corrupt. The Federation will not declare war unless it is absolutely
>necessary. 
>
  
  What does this have to do with their being a military organization?  Covert
operations are covert operations.  Training to destroy a target is training to
DESTROY a target.  War is war!  And who is it that fights wars?  Why its the
Peace Corps!!

>
>This is another point to certain individuals in Star Fleet who are corrupt.
>1. Why would you replace Picard with someone who has NO knowledge of a 
>   Galaxy Class Starship. His knowledge of Cardassian strengths and
>   weaknesses would make for a good Special Ambassador. There are very
>   few people who know the ins and outs of a Galaxy Class and they are all
>   on the Enterprise. 
>

  I think Captain Jelico demonstrated his knowledge of Galaxy Class Starships
quite effectively.


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From: jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau)
Subject: Re: How do you start a flame war? Glad you asked ...
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:26:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham) writes:

>The top ten things ways to start a flame war on rec.arts.startrek.current:

[...]

> 1.  Gene who?

Shouldn't this be "Jean who?"
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:17:18 GMT

David Toland writes
> I don't agree.  A counsellor will be perceived by a patient as 
> intimidating [...]

So why doesn't the same thing happen when Dr. Crusher wears her uniform  
versus when she wears something else?  She has been known to wear  
different things (although not as revealing of her breasts as Troi).
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
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From: firenza@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command - This week?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:45:57 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

 YES!!!!!!!

 I taped STTNG this week for the sole purpose of seeing the trailer for next
week.  IT WAS CHAIN OF COMMAND!   
  Set those VCR's today...

firenza
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From: analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Monahan)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:34:57 GMT

In article <rotheroe.724436294@convex.com> rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
  Spoilers ahead.  


   Refering to Capt. Jelico:


>What???  He's a moron who should be chief petty officer.  He's so unsure
>of what he's doing he resorts to intimidation.  And as for changing
>everything *right before and important mission*, ask a Navy captain what
>the best way to insure a mission's failure is.  I mean come on now -
>screwing with schedules and overworking the entire engineering dept
>right before they need everyone on their toes?


   Intimidation?  I don't see how actually expecting your orders to be 
followed is intimidation.  I also don't think any Navy Captain is 
going to tell anyone that making sure a ship is at it's peak performance
condition before an impending battle is a guarantee of failure.  Quite the
contrary.  Nothing gets everyone "on their toes" better than a kick in the 
ass.


>And like any captain would really study the relays for power
>distribution.  That's like asking a aircraft carrier to know the brand and
>type of each valve controlling the cooling flow for his eight reactors.
>Not something he should be spending his time one, but something he should
>rely on his senior (or even junior) officers for.


   Wrong.  Though it is not expected in the Navy that a Captain know "the
brand and type of each valve," he is expected to know the workings of each
system in his vessel.  It's his responsibility to know; so that he doesn't
ask a member or team of his crew to perform an impossible task.  Jelico
showed he was a responsible, rather than irresponsible, by displaying his 
knowledge of the big E.


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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Promos for: CHAIN OF COMMAND Pt.2 (#237) +DSN Promo DURING
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:45:22 GMT

> As an additional note, the ST:Ds9 promo airs as a commercial DURING the 
> episode, so it should be seen in most of the country.  So don't be as quick
> with the pause button for this one (its about midway through the episode).

Jeez! COC Pt. I hasen't even aired nationally yet and you guys are already
talking about COC Pt. II.


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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:52:27 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1g7duaINN6si@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>
>I think Riker would perform much better as Captain than as First Officer.
>
>As First Officer under a strong Captain, he doesn't have a great deal
>to challenge him, but in every instance I can recall in which he was
>in command during a crisis, he has acted decisively and has displayed
>considerable ingenuity.  In particular, his rescue/abduction of
>Picard/Locutus in Best of Both Worlds II was truly outstanding; it
>was the type of situation Kirk excelled in, and I don't think even
>Kirk would have come up with such a tightly executed plan (Kirk would
>have taken it one step at a time, and improvised from one moment to
>the next).

Not exactly. Kirk is portrayed as a superior tactician with a keen
ability to improvise. The improvisation is evident in TOS, eg, in
"The Corbomite Maneuver," as is the tactical side in "Balance of Terror."
Actually, "Balance of Terror" demonstrates both sides; his battle
plan was well thought out and almost perfectly executed, but when
things went wrong, he was able to improvise a solution.
Interestingly enough, Riker showed this exact balance of character
in "The Best of Both Worlds (Part II)" when he ordered the Enterprise
to ram the Borg cube...his plan executed flawlessly until the options
ran out, then he improvised a solution...

Maybe Riker wouldn't be such a bad Captain after all...


				James

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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:36:02 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Header says it all: are they throwing TNG away, finally? And replacing
it with DS9?
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