From: tas@sei.cmu.edu (Terry Ireland)
Subject: Re: Impact of the absent father
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:47:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.132113.24928@walter.cray.com>, jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.173448.8904@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug25.230720.19685@u.washington.edu> hamton@byron.u.washington.edu (MrEuStress) writes:
> >
       GEORGE would like to add two cents also

> >>   We need able parents not "remote wallets".
> >
> >We need both.  If the mother isn't financially independent, and the
> >father isn't going to be held responsible for the money to raise the
> >children, who is?  The government (translation:  you, me, and every
> >other taxpayer)?  No thanks.  If a dad isn't going to be a "real" dad,
> >for whatever reason, he still has responsibilities.  I refuse to take
> >them over for him because he doesn't want to be a "remote wallet".

    "real dad" this term was news to me... I went to another city to see my
childern, one day last year. I found out that I was not even listed as the
"real dad" in the school records. I was listed as dead. The childern had been
 telling their therapists, "dad is abusing us". It appears that mom (CP) had
not told the therapist there was a "real dad". When I showed up, well imagine
my surprise when the therapist told me I was dead. "remote- wallet"? how
remote do you have to be to qualify? Do I stop the child support or does that
come from the " dead fathers spirit, also??? Does the therapy for the childern
stop? with this therapist,"YES". I was unaware they had more therapists until
"mom" asked that I pay all the childerns medical bills. near $200,000.00 NOW.
     Is two dozen therapists enough for one year to qualify for "remote-
wallet" status? How about three dozen in two states? What about the four
diffrent names the children use? Remote- What???   
>       Mom had told the theapist I controled her mind with my thoughts from
half way around the world. This did not leave room for me to be romote...
  
> A "real" dad is someone like me. More than pays for his children's
> needs, but also pays for their mothers vacations with fiance #4.
> "Real dads" like me VISIT their children, kind of like women who have
> visitation with their children, but they're in PRISON for murdering 
> their child. The only difference between me and the murderer is
> that her living children are DELIVERED to her. "Real dads" make out-
> rageous child support payments to support the childrens mortgage 
> payment. That way when my children turn 18 the ex will return to
> the children THEIR investment in THEIR home. Sure she will.
> "Real dads" pay huge amounts to his children's mother so the money
> can be spent wisely.

 Is this where she sells the "Caddy" for $5.00 because she ran out of beer
 and someone had to buy more? A notary had to make a note of this to change
the title. We both were listed as owners of the car. The new owner had a
problem trying to get the car retitled without the dead father's signature...
         
                >Her parental responsibility is assumed ,the
> fathers is questioned. "Real dads" have to have their child support
> payments (32% after state and federal taxes, FICA) garnished from
> their paychecks, Real Dads are presumed criminals. "Real dads" 
> are only visiters and babysitters. Real dads are awarded reasonable
> visitation at divorce. Reasonable visitation states that the "Real
> Dad" is allowed to pick up his children at the "Children's house" (NOT)
> every other weekend. Real dads are also allowed one visit per week.
> "Real Dads" could pay as much as $120,000.00 in child support (my
> estimated child support payments until my kids are 18, this figure
> does not include inflation, higher income (Get the fucker, he makes
> more money. Git 'em, sick em, get the weasle dead beat mother fucker)
> and future mandates from Government. 

   "Real dad has not had the chidren to his home for a visit for 17 months...
 I have seen the childern 5 hours in the last 17 months... "REAL DAD" ????
    As they say here in PA." You only get what you pay for "  It would seem
that the "RIGHT" people are not being paid off.

>"Real dads" can drive a 125 miles
> to pick up his children only to be told, "You can't see em, and if
> you come over to my sisters house I'll call the cops". "Real dads" 
> talk to cops and find out that "there is nothing we can do, Mr Wood.

    Your milage may vary, 700 mile round trip... They moved, left no forward
address. then called to say come get the children, " didn't I tell you we
moved?"   Very funny !!! (NOT) 

> Talk to an attorney." Real dads don't have money for attorneys. Real
> dads buy their children roller blades and used bicycles while his
> children tell them what their 'stepdad' bought them a new bike. 
> "Real dads" hear their children tell them about new swimming pools 
> they might get. Real dads buy them clothes because he doesn't want
> to take his children to church wearing worn out t-shirts and 
> hand me down tennis shoes. Real dads become upset with court systems
> that charge 90 dollar filing fees to question visitation denial but
> charge mothers demanding child support increases ZERO. Real
> dads question the governments idealistic copout that mandates they
> must DESTROY real dads "because it is in the best interest of 
> children". 

          " Best Interest may include but not limited to:   
  PAY FOR :   welfare fraud - mom collected in a few states
              BC/BS fraud - mom's boyfriend told them they were his girls(NOT)
              attorney's fee's: If he didn't tell BC/BS we would not have to
sue him for support to medical bills.
              lost work: If he would just pay what we ask we would not be here
              the list goes on.. In the best interest I stop here.

>Real dads question the sincerity and motives of Hillary Clintons'
> involvement in "the Children's Defense Fund". Real dads puke
> when they heard Slick Willy's convention speech. Real dads become
> so fed up with the system that some of them have become angry
> enough to walk into Ft. Worthe Family Court and blow as many people
> away as possible. Real dads are not surprised to hear about it
> on the radio. Real dads expect this to happen and for the incidence
> of such events to increase. Real dads wonder how other real dads
> can hold up. Real dads care about their children's future. Unreal
> dads think it couldn't happen to them. Real dads miss out on
> a lot of their children's life. Real dads pay for baseball gloves
> but rarely see it in practice. I've known Real Dads to turn to
> drink. I've known real dads who've OFFed themselves. I've known
> children to miss Real dads. Real dads pay taxes to support a women's
> right to choose. (Maybe it's time we stop). Real dads pay taxes
> for schools, AFDC and deadbeat moms. Real dads pay taxes to
> support single mothers to go to college and better themselves. Real
> dads have been to war to preserve freedom, for their children. 

       REAL DAD could not go to play war, REAL DAD was prevented from this
due to " burst anyourism in right temporal lobe". The army does not accept
men who have been "CLINICALY DEAD" even if it was just for 23 miniutes...
Hey, I am still a REAL DAD .... I have six years plus reciepts for support
to prove it... Are these reciepts proof???? I did not OFF my self but had it
dawned on me as a way out,WOW, I could have tried it..NOT : - )   It would
leave no one to challenge the system.
        The court does not want to hear from any REAL DADS that are not going
to be a challenge to test the system. If you do not have an attorney who
knows the system, get one who does... F.A.I.R.  can help you find one in your
city, if there is none there they can help you fly one in from out of town...
judges become lazy if they are not entertained by a good argument or prodded
into following proper proceedures with a law suit. Everyone loves a challenge
to make the day go faster... 

> Real dads dream and hope their children will not have to fight
> to preserve their freedom, and their 'syster's choices'. Real
> dads do the best they can and often tell others to go fuck themselves.
> 
        I AM A REAL DAD,however I do not see the need for your last line...
so maybe you feel like venting off a little steam. No need to get so ugly
about it.                           


                                      GEORGE IN PITTSBURGH,PA
















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