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From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
Subject: Re: CD Singles and EPs
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:11:00 GMT
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management

In article <C0JLF7.BLw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:
>From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
>Subject: Re: CD Singles and EPs
>Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:52:18 GMT
>Yes, both of the sets have alternate versions.  Mainly these are just
>differences between the mono (sets) and stereo (main CD's) mixes.  I posted
>a while back some of the main differences in the singles.
>But the news is that all these CD's were made from the original EP & 45 master
>tapes.  So, no new alternate versions have been created.  So it may be cheaper
>to seek out original EP's & 45's of only the ones that are different.
>Be warned that some of the most recent Capitol pressings of 45's are in stereo!
>Some, not all.  I can post a list of which is which if you want.  (Some even
>say mono, but are stereo!)
>I could also post a list of what the main 45's & EP's are you'd want to have to
>get the alternate versions.  Most of the singles from the 1st four albums (and
>EP's, too) are just the same versions as on the normal mono CD's.
>Another thing is if you can find any stores that still have the old 3" CD
>singles in stock, or ask them to order them (their wholesaler may still have
>them).  Then you can get only those CD's that have alternates.
>Shall I post lists?
>
>No, I haven't heard of future releases putting all these alternates on one
>disc, though we know they'd probably fit.  But there are more alternates that
>aren't on these discs anyway.  They need to release the 1st 4 albums in stereo
>and the rest in mono to come close to having a good collection of alternates.
>Of course, I think they should've originally released the CD's with both mono
>and stereo of the album on the same CD.  They all would've fit except the
>White Album.
>
>- Jeff ("a life of ease!")
Please, do.
From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (Jamesa Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: lyrics to "Flying" (was: lyrics wanted)
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:38:39 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

endesa@lascar.puc.cl (Jorge Espinosa) writes:

>Hi there:
>I'm looking for lyrics of The Inner Light and Flying (MMT).
>Any hint?  Thank U.

Lyrics to "Flying"? Sure!

Here they are:

Da da da da da da
Da da da da da da
Da da da da da da
Da da da da da da
Daaaa Daaaa Daaaa
Da da da da da da
...

BTW, there may be a fourth "Daaa". I lost count.

				Jamesa Willer
[any opinions above are copyrighted and may only be used with my permission]
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatle Books
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:52:46 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <C0Gp5H.2LG@news.iastate.edu> reiners@iastate.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.093031.62349@cc.usu.edu> slchb@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>------------------------
>> Author:         Schaffner, Nicholas, 1953-
>>
>> Title:          The Beatles forever
>
>Nicholas Schaffner died last year.  This is one of the four or five best books 
>on the Beatles.  It's often on sale on remaindered tables; if you see it, buy
>it.
>-- 
>Paul Reiners
><reiners@iastate.edu>


It's also got a *lot* of factual errors in it as well, so remember to
believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

Bruce


-- 
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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Paperback Writer!
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:54:09 GMT



E-me if you have knowledge on where I can purchase this book.  It was
a parody of the Beatles published in the sixties, early seventies and
was hilarious.

Will pay $$$$ !!!!
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:19:56 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
>What I found most annoying about Compleat wasn't the excerpting, but the
>pseudo-profundities.  That long intro about how poor everyone in Liverpool
>was, for example -- if I'm remembering correctly, the Beatles themselves
>have called that idea overstated.  And the bit where the narration tells us
>how the Beatles suddenly hated touring, illustrated with the plane landing
>on a rainy day, as if it never rained in 1964.  Pfui.

The bit about Liverpool was to show the irony that the biggest explosion
of pop culture in history arose from a depressed city that had lost
its previous glory.  I thought the part about the Beatles hating touring
was one of the best parts of the film.  It showed us a glimpse of
what is was like to be a Beatle in their touring days.  Running around
in the rain was part of the misery of it all.

-- 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
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From: pjm9806@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo J)
Subject: Japanese pressings
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:06:59 GMT


  A friend of mine has some japanese pressings of some of the beatles
  early albums.  These appear to have been released when the albums
  first came out.  The albums have some english on them, but they
  have lyric sheets and copyright info in japanese.

  Do these have any collectors value??  If needed, I can get more specific
  info on the albums.

                           Thanx,
                               Allen

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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: Re: All you need is love
Keywords: All you need is love
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:00:07 GMT

Yes, the guitar solo was indeed live along with the other instruments you
mentioned.
At first it does seem a bit strange that they wouldn't have fixed this up
afterwards since they did so with the vocals (and snare drum roll at the
beginning), but one reason may be that the bass & drums were also on track
two along with the guitar solo, so it would've involved more rerecording
than they cared to do.
Also, if you listen closely, George does try to get back into it after it
seems to stop, but doesn't succeed too well.  That's easier to hear on the
stereo version.

- Jeff ("The Beatles get on best with orchestra men.")
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: A Beatles movie nver made
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:32:04 GMT
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In article <1993Jan6.022750.13293@midway.uchicago.edu> ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>	Quoting from the diaries (without permission, of course): "11 Feb.
>[1967] He [Shenson] was most concerned to impress upon me that 'the boys'
>shouldn't be made to do anything in the film that would reflect badly upon 
>them. 'You see,' he said, 'the kids will all imitate whatever the boys do.'
>I hadn't the heart to tell him that the boys, in my script, have been caught
>*in flagrante*, become involved in dubious political activity, dressed as
>women, committed murder, been put in prison and committed adultery.  And the
>script isn't finished yet."
>	If you know the plays _Loot_ and _What the Butler Saw_ then you know
>Orton.  We can only imagine what this script, filmed in post-Pepper time, would
>be like, because the script was never used.  And then Orton was killed in 
>August 1967.  
>	Still, it could have been more interesting than Magical Mystery Tour.
>If you want to know what dinner at Brian's was like, I could quote a bit
>more......

Frankly, I don't think a complex script would've worked for the Beatles.

Remember that in both of their features, they are really only doing
exaggerated versions of themselves.  Further, consider Richard Lester's
golden rule from the two features:

(Quoting from an interview with Lester, in Phillip DiFranco's book)

"There is something about the Beatles.  Before we started we knew that
it was unlikely that they could: A.learn, B.remember, or C.deliver with
any accuracy a long speech.  So the structure of the script had to be a
series of one-liners.  This enabled me, in many of the scenes, to turn a
camera on them and say a line to them and they would say it back to me.  If it
didn't turn out terribly well I would say it again in another way, and they
would say it back in another way"

So, the Beatles (well, John, Paul and George, at least) were *not* actors.
Thus, all the ideas considered and discarded (Orton's, the western, the
"Lord of the Rings" live-action feature, etc, etc..) really could not have
worked "starring the Beatles".  

It is really to John Lennon and Richard Lester's credit the "How I Won
the War" turned out as well as it did.  The script is not that difficult,
but John did need to do a fair bit of emoting as Private Gripweed.

As far as Orton's script ideas, they *never* would've passed muster with
Brian Epstein.  Unlike Alun Owen, Orton really lacked any understanding of
the group, or the four individuals who comprised it.  The ideas may have
been brilliant for someone else, but IMHO the correct thing was done when
the script was rejected.

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: Patrick_Dubbrow@ms.maus.de (Patrick Dubbrow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: CD Singles and EPs
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:10:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

I currently acquired a CD-Maxi from EMI in a so called "Digi-Pack" which means
that it is in a paperback with a comment of Mark Lewisohn onto the left inner
side. The contents: Love Me Do, P.S. I Love You and Love Me Do, original single
version with Ringo's drumming. I also saw this CD in a somewhat cheaper package
without paperback. Did you ever hear of this release (Number 7243 8 80266 2 8,
on Odeon)?
I'm glad that I have discovered it in a store.

Cheers

Patrick
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles video list
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:40:14 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
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In article <1993Jan7.161418.21589@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.210357.33@condor> waltersm@logica.co.uk writes:
>
>>Which version of Yellow Submarine has been used for the video release?  My
>>understanding is that the original US release differed from the norm as it 
>>had
>>Hey Bulldog removed - can someone confirm this?  
>
>The videotape marketed in the US within the past few years does not
>have "Hey Bulldog".  I think in answering this question, we may need
>to say which version or at least which country.  I hear YS is out of
>stock in the US now and someone will need to check the next release.
>Where is "Hey Bulldog" anyway?  Another live segment at the end, or what?

Nope, it was an animated segment.  "Hey Bulldog" was present in the version
aired on television throughout the 70's, but was never on any theatrical
release in the US.  The way I heard the story (this is rumor, so take it as
such) is that it was decided to edit the "HB" from the finished film.  However,
the prints for Europe had already been made, so it was too late.  The US
prints had not been made, so the edit was done, and the film went out.  Thus,
when it was time to do the video release, UA went to the "correct" (ie: no
"HB") print of the film for the video master.

>>Assuming this makes 2 versions, there is a 3rd which does have Hey Bulldog but
>>does not have Baby You're a Rich Man;  in place of Baby You're a Rich Man
>>(which fades in after Ringo puts his hole on the big glass ball) the
>>dialogue ("decanting"...) continues for about three minutes.  Since the
>>usually overlaps Baby... it would seem that this is actually a different
>>proper cut as opposed to it being tampered with for broadcast.
>
>In filmmaking it is very common to put songs, dialogue, incidental
>music, and sound effects on different tracks.  I've never heard of this
>case before, but it really sounds like somebody goofed and didn't put
>in the song track there... if I'm understanding right that the visual
>is the same and the dialogue matches what is heard over the song?

Agreed -- it sounds like one of those mistakes that do occasionally
arise from time to time...

<ESC>


-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: 20 Flight Rock
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:32:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello) writes:

>    When Paul sings "Twenty Flight Rock", on the Russian album for example,
>    it sounds like the end of the last verse is:
>         All this climbing's getting me down,
>         Find my corpse draped over the rail.

>    Does anyone know how the original goes?  Thanks.

Yep. That sounds like what Eddie's singing, to me.

ObBeatlesObservation: I just noticed that EC (that's Eddie Cochran, not Eric
Clapton) also covered Long Tall Sally and Hallelujah I Love Her So.
(Both numbers appeared in the early Beatles repertoire.)

				Jamesa Willer
[any opinions above have been copyrighted and may only be used with my permission]
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From: buckley@cs.tulane.edu (James Buckley)
Subject: Help: quick Beatles bio/history
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:44:48 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-26245]: saturn

Hi,

I was attempting to explain the Beatles (their music, impact, etc) to a
student from Mainland China.  She is virtually unfamiliar with most anything
associated with the Beatles.  I was sending her a sample of their music and
wanted to include a written explanation of the Beatles.  I could write this
from scratch (I was a Beatles-baby :-)  but I was wondering if anyone already
had a nice concise history/bio that they could send to me.  Any help would
be appreciated.  Thanks.

 - Jim

buckley@cs.tulane.edu


From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:28:18 GMT
Subject: Re: another cover...
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

In rec.music.beatles, "headly westerfield" <headly.westerfield@canrem.com> writes:


> What is your favourite Beatle cover?

> >>>=====Headly=Westerfield===>

I know you asked in the singular, but. . .

With a Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker/Woodstock
Yesterday - Ray Charles
Every Little Thing - Yes

How about - what's your least favortite Beatle cover?

Oh Darling - Bee Gees
All the Stars on 45 junk.  I couldn't stand hearing stuff like No Reply
     with a clap track blasting away!!!!!



Dennis
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From: burke@seachg.uucp (Michael Burke)
Subject: Re: Notes on "I've Just Seen A Face" (IJSAF)
Reply-To: burke@seachg.UUCP (Michael Burke)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:22:11 GMT

In article <C0D0x9.6yM@world.std.com> awp@world.std.com (Alan W Pollack) writes:
>		 ============================================
>		|| Notes on "I've Just Seen A Face" (IJSAF) ||
>		 ============================================
>
>Melody and Harmony
>------------------
>- Only four chords are used but this very limited number of them
>  are cleverly deployed so as to alternately suggest two different 
>  styles: the pop/rock cliche of I-vi-IV-V in the verses, and the
>  bluesy V-IV-I in the refrains.
>
>- Melodically we find several trademarks yet again: the noodling around
>  within a tight pitch range during the verses, with the headroom freed
>  up somewhat during the refrain.  The tune is also shot through with
>  Paul's much favored appoggiaturas; I'll spot you "face" and "place"
>  in the opening phrase, but you've got to find the rest of them on
>  by yourself -- have you no natural resources of yer own ? :-)
>
>
>Arrangement
>-----------
>- The instrumental texture is most strongly characterized by the folksy 
>  sound of several crisply recorded acoustic guitars.  And yet, the use 
>  of (what sound like to me as) jazzy wire brushes in place of the usual 
>  wood sticks for the drum kit, not to mention overdubbed maracas (in the 
>  refrains and guitar solo) create subliminal free associations with other 
>  styles.
>
>- Paul is closely *single* tracked for a change on the lead vocal, the
>  more intimately for us to feel the slight quiver in his voice.  During 
>  the refrains, he provides his own contrapuntal backing part in the same
>  nasally affected C&W voice used to back Ringo in "Act Naturally."

I always thought that this was their first Bluegrass tune.



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From: erobinette@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Help!  CD  oddity
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:19:36 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan12.095957.9793@iscsvax.uni.edu>, larson9627@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> I have a question about the Help! CD.  I just bought it, and noticed that it
> was ADD.  How can that be?  Did someone remix it or what?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Glenn Larson
> larson9627@iscsvax.uni.edu
I know that George MArtin remixed both Help! and Rubber Soul digitally, but did
not do this for any subsequent discs. Anyone know why these 2 dsics were
singled out and others were mixed in analog?

Thanks in advance,
Eric Robinette
erobinette@desire.wright.edu
> 
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From: ifsa@quads.uchicago.edu (andrea m koziol)
Subject: A Beatles movie nver made
Reply-To: ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:27:50 GMT

Greetings all.  The current discussion of Beatles Videos (thanks too for all
the work, <esc>!) has got me thinking about a recent read of mine, _The
Orton Diaries_, edited by John Lahr, published by Harper and Row. The Beatles
connection will be clear in a moment.  
	I wanted to learn more about this sixties English playwright, esp.
after my brother raved about the farces Orton wrote.  How true it is that
"nothing is Beatle-proof!"    I found out that Walter Shenson, of Beatle film
fame, contacted Orton through his agent about possibly writing a film script
for the Beatles' third movie.  Orton chronicles in his diary about writing the
script, called "Up against it".  He also writes about going to Brian Epstein's
house for dinner and meeting Paul.
	Quoting from the diaries (without permission, of course): "11 Feb.
[1967] He [Shenson] was most concerned to impress upon me that 'the boys'
shouldn't be made to do anything in the film that would reflect badly upon 
them. 'You see,' he said, 'the kids will all imitate whatever the boys do.'
I hadn't the heart to tell him that the boys, in my script, have been caught
*in flagrante*, become involved in dubious political activity, dressed as
women, committed murder, been put in prison and committed adultery.  And the
script isn't finished yet."
	If you know the plays _Loot_ and _What the Butler Saw_ then you know
Orton.  We can only imagine what this script, filmed in post-Pepper time, would
be like, because the script was never used.  And then Orton was killed in 
August 1967.  
	Still, it could have been more interesting than Magical Mystery Tour.
If you want to know what dinner at Brian's was like, I could quote a bit
more......
andrea          ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu
   beepbeep beepbeep yeah!
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From: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Christian)
Subject: Re: Notes on "Another Girl" (AG)
Reply-To: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:39:00 +0000


> 
> - The emphasis on the melodic flat 3rd is sufficiently stronger than
>   average here to create a Major/minor ambiguity regarding the mode of
>   the home key that is somewhat reminiscent of "I'll Be Back."  The effect 
>   is especially noticeable where the music returns to A Major at the end 
>   of the bridge, and makes you wonder in retrospect if, in the verses, 
>   it really was only the melody and not the chords too performed in the 
>   minor mode; what do the chord books say there ?  Is the first
>   chord A Major or minor ?

In the original Dick James sheet music it says Major (actually it
puts the whole thing in G); in "the Compleat Beatles" (ed. Milton
Okun, 1981) it gives A Minor but with a note saying:
        "On the record the A _minor_ prevailing harmony is countered
        by an A _major_ chord in the accompaniment; However I have
        chosen _minor_ as the implied tonality."
Which seems to be a different way of saying the same thing as Alan.

Peter
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From: page@cgvax2.enet.dec.com (Brad Page)
Subject: Re: Beatle Books
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:33:45 GMT

-Message-Text-Follows-

In article <1ihcjeINNd0m@transfer.stratus.com>, bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes...
>In article <C0Gp5H.2LG@news.iastate.edu> reiners@iastate.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.093031.62349@cc.usu.edu> slchb@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>>------------------------
>>> Author:         Schaffner, Nicholas, 1953-
>>>
>>> Title:          The Beatles forever

> 
>It's also got a *lot* of factual errors in it as well, so remember to
>believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
> 
>Bruce
> 

	I read "The beatles Forever" when I was in High School and it was 
  the key factor in converting me to a big-time Beatles fan. (Not counting
  the music, of course...)

	It's been 10+ years since I read it... I don't remember any major
  errors... though I probably wouldn't have known they were errors at the 
  time. Could you single out some of the big errors?


  BPage
  -Hiding my .sig behind a .figleaf
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From: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Christian)
Subject: Re: Mystery tours
Reply-To: petex@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:24:00 +0000


> Thesis topic opportunity:  How come so many rock people are hung up
> on busses?  There's saki, Paul, Alan Price, Pete Townshend...   :-)

I think I understand this. You've got to remember that these are
double-decker buses & you get a very good view of everyday life from
the top of one of these. (Very Penny Lane, not to mention the middle 8
of A Day in the Life.) I think that's what they miss.

But I agree someone should do a thesis on it.

Peter

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