HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: more 21 meg info
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:34:13 GMT

I keep getting requests for info on the 21 meg floptical I bought. I cannot
take the time to answer reach netter individually so here goes - again.

First, a net wide apology to everyone for writing LYNX instead of LINK in
my original posting. Just found out that I made the error. Maybe that's
because I own a LYNX and the LINK.

Second, the floptical I have, purchased at dealer pricing from Pacific
Software in California (I am a dealer) is a SCSI device that plugs into
any computer with a SCSI port (like the Atari TT). If you have an ST or
an STE with a DMA, not a SCSI port, you have to by the LINK adaptor from
ICD - this little device converts your DMA port (the hard disk port) into
a SCSI port. If you already have an external drive on your ST/STE, just
plug the LINK adaptor into the OUT port on the hard disk (assuming it
has an IN/OUT like my FA.ST drive does) and then plug the floptical into
the LINK.

You will need to run either the ICD version 6 boot program or an equivalent
code that allows you to recognize a remmovable disk on your system.

The floptical is treated as a removable 21 meg hard disk. Let's say
that you have a hard disk with partitions C,D and E and then you plug in
the floptical an reboot. Drive F will be the floptical and you'll need to
install a disk icon for F. Hard disk utilities can format the floptical,
as far as I can tell, currently there is no provision to format 720K
or 1.44 meg floppies on the floptical although right now you can read/
write these disks of they are already formatted.

Last, sorry for all the typos. I am on my way home and I have typed this
note at a w.p.m. rate far above what I should have.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: Macintosh ST Connection/CompuSeller West
Summary: Need info. 
Keywords: Mac, spectre
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:53:01 EST

Current Notes (November 1992) has info about Macintosh ST
Connection, a program sold by CompuSeller West.  Does anybody
have this program?  How is it?
Also, where can I get it, other than at CompuSeller?  If
nowhere else, then does anybody have CompuSeller's phone
number?
Thanks,
Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: 21 meg floptical info
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:46:44 GMT

MANY netters have asked me for info about the floptical. It is too time
consuming to send individual replies so here is a general post:

To use a floptical, you need one of the following configurations:

TT with SCSI port -- SCSI cable -- floptical (cable comes with floptical)

ST/STE with DMA port -- LINK DMA to SCSI adapter on SCSI cable -- floptical

The only difference is that ST/STE systems do not have SCSI ports so you
have to add the LINK DMA to SCSI adapter onto the end of the SCSI cable.

Run the ICD boot program that comes with the LINK adapter and voila, you
can access the floptical (your computer sees this as another hard disk so
you will have to install another desk icon).

It's that simple. It's all available from TOAD (I sell to the CDN market
but I do not post my company's name on the net to avoid commercial conflict)

BTW, the floptical R/W 1.44 and 720 disks; currently no way to format them
on the floptical because these formats are used for floppies and the
floptical is treated as a hard disk. Sounds like a quick job for the
Codeheads!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: automan@stein.u.washington.edu (Roger McGhee)
Subject: Re: Empire Deluxe (was Re: Looking for software)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:57:26 GMT



Does Anyone know how to get ahold of Interstel? Their Phone Number
in Texas is no longer good. Are they even in business anymore?

Thanks in advance,

Roger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks)
Subject: Re: Falcon speed and bus size.
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:19:01 GMT

In <1992Nov20.121209.15613@crc.ac.uk> naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara) writes:

>Also, isn't it possible to remove the 030 processor and replace it with a 
>faster one, like the 50Mhz 030 in the SST accelerator?

Somewhere in a gray past I remember words on the Falcon being designed
to cope with different clock frequencies, i.e. just pop out the quartz
and the CPU and put in faster ones. I found this unbelievable back
then (designing frequency-independent motherboards is not trivial,
especially when high frequencies (like 50 MHz) are involved).
Apparently Atari dropped that idea. Too bad.

>Surely this must make a huge difference in speed?

Should think so...

>Phil
>(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)

Sander SToks
sanders@sci.kun.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csg022@cck.coventry.ac.uk (PROC)
Subject: Re: Old Game...what's it called.
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:35:28 GMT

In article <1egpdlINN4bi@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>Dungeon Master
>Chaos Strikes Back

Both great

>Eye of the Beholder
>(^Not on the ST though^)

This is because software publishers are dumping the ST

>Captive (No spells)

Great, but a Dungeon Master clone.

>Corporation

Not the best manual in the world. I just can't figure out the objective 
of this game, and the gameplay is a bit naff.
-- 
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  only had them three weeks and the heels have worn right through, and if you
complain nothing happens so you might as well not bother, and my back hurts and
      we never get a fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: How to contact CodeHead
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:22:19 GMT

In article 721326238@ee.ualberta.ca, morrison@ee.ualberta.ca (Robert Morrison) writes:
>	A couple of months ago, I purchased a copy of CodeHead's Warp 9 from a
>local dealer (actuall, the _only_ local dealer) and I a pleased with it.  I
>sent away the registration card, but I'm not sure if it ever made it to 
>CodeHead.  Recently I have noticed discussion about updates from 3.70-3.73.
>I checked it out, and I am running 3.50.  I would like to get in on the upgrade
>process, and to do that, I need to contact CodeHead.  I will try the phone
>number in the documentation, but you folks are my backup!


The CodeHeads can be reached at (213)386-5735 or FAX at (213)386-5789.

---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: 21 meg floptical info
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:41:18 GMT

In article H7G@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu, kllove@wildcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love) writes:
>csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:
>>BTW, the floptical R/W 1.44 and 720 disks; currently no way to format them
>>on the floptical because these formats are used for floppies and the
>>floptical is treated as a hard disk. Sounds like a quick job for the
>>Codeheads!!!

According to Ray at TOAD Computers, this is not so.  You _can_ format 720K
and 1.4Mb floppies in a floptical drive... you just need the latest version
of ICD's software which comes with the LINK SCSI/DMA adapter.  There may be
a problem doing so with TOS's prior to 1.4 but I cannot confirm that as yet.

>I have a choice:  a floptical or a TOS & RAM upgrade to my Mega 2.
>Recommendations anyone?  I'd be sorely tempted to get the floptical since I
>PLAN to get a Falcon some time (probably late) next year.

Well, I'd say it probably should depend on what you use or want to use your
computer for.  If you can't run larger apps because of memory limitations,
then go for a RAM upgrade.  The TOS upgrade is _always_ a good idea and gives
you a lot of bang for the buck.

However, if you really intend to buy a Falcon soon, then don't put any more
money into hardware upgrades for your Mega.  And if you don't have a hard 
drive or don't plan on buying a Falcon with the built-in hard disk, then I'd
recommend buying a fixed hard disk BEFORE a floptical.  Hey, the flopticals
are neat but they are NOT the best solution for primary storage!  At any
rate, an external hard disk or a floptical could be used on _both_ systems.
---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: 1.44 meg on floptical
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:38:52 GMT

In an earlier posting today I said that I could not format 1.44 meg on
my floptical - WRONG. Must be losing my marbles or I cannot read dialog
boxes any more. I just formatted a 1.44 meg floppy on my floptical.
Everyone has the right to jump on me! Now,, where's that crow, Im starved.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Grav 2
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:45:11 GMT

In article <hjv.722017879@groucho.phil.ruu.nl> hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos) writes:
>
>>It's GREAT, get it!! I haven't had that much fun since the good
>>old Atari 800 days!!! 
>
>
>Colour, I suppose?  Would be nice if people mentioned some system-requirements
>when advertising here...  Bad idea?  Good idea?

Very good idea! I just spent the better part of 2 weeks getting a couple of
files from a.a, just to find that they were mono-only, and I couldn't use
them. Not my idea of fun...


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mike Stramba <stramba@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Disassembler
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Distribution: uka
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:32:47 GMT

rogina@i13d7.ira.uka.de (Ivica Rogina) writes:
>Is there a disassembler which can disassemble plain code without program headers
>and that kind of stuff. The disassemblers from a.a keep crashing or telling me
>that they can only handle .PRG, .TTP, .TOS etc. programs, or they produce a
>listing which contains one data-statement.
>
>Ivica Rogina, rogina@ira.uka.de

I like using Templmon. You install it as a tsr, then you can activate it
anytime with ctrl-help. It works on most programs, as long as they don't mess
with the break vector, keyboard vector.

If you have a sector editor, you can change the first instruction in a .prg
file to an illegal instruction, then when you run the program Templmon will
take over.
From: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST Xformer???
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:42:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



   I remember reading in (was it a BRE Software ad) an ad for some PD software
company, that there are two versions of the Xformer. It said that 2.55 does
not handle P/M graphics, but that the other version does. I've tries using 2.55
with some of the 8bit software from a.a.u.e, but it tends to crash.
   I'm either doing something wrong when I load (it's been a long time since my
400 :-), or I have the wrong version. Is there anyone who uses the Xformer
enough to be able to answer questions about it?
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: uzr50f@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Mark Beinker, Raum 313, Tel.: 2751)
Subject: driver for HP Deskjet 500C
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:01:00 GMT
Organization: RHRZ, University of Bonn

Hallo everybody!

I've got an Atari 260ST and a HP Deskjet 500C printer, but I have'nt got
any drives for the HP featuring the color facilities.
Could anyone tell me where I can get such a driver?

Yours, Mark.
From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Reply to Matt (floptical)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:10:46 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <18NOV92.08563151@cc4.crl.aecl.ca>, csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:
> Flopticals plug right into any machine with a SCSI port; like the TT. If
> you have a DMA port (like any ST/STE), then you need the ICD LINK DMA-SCSI
> cable. With the LINK cable, just plug in the floptical to you hard disk
> port, boot with the ICD driver that comes with the LINK and that's it.
> You now have a 21 meg floptical that, as far as your computer is concerned,
> is a hard disk! In addition to the 21 meg disks, the floptical reads 720K
> and 1.44 meg floppies. One problem, if you have TOS 1.2 or less, programs
> will not run from the floptical.

So how do I find out what version of TOS I have?  I suspect it could be less
that 1.2....it's a pretty old MEGA ST4.

What would I have to do to upgrade, if need-be?

				-Matt
From: weiner@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: atari.archive
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:04:55 -0500
Organization: Umich Atari Posse, In Full Effect
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu

In article <H.ea.Kiinv7kqRrM@nasim.sta.sub.org> knarf@nasim.sta.sub.org (Frank Bartels) writes:
>
>>I've got two adresses: 141.211.182.23 and/or 141.211.165.41
>

These are correct.

>I've got one more: 141.211.164.8.

This isn't.  This for the old terminator.

>As I remember weiner (?) told us not to use these adresses instead of
>atari.archive.umich.edu .

That is correct.


Jeff

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Cyber-stuff
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:42:21 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

nickd@vpnet.chi.il.us (Nicholas J. DiMasi) writes:
> For Cyber stuff, check out E. Arthur Brown.

is E. Arthur still around? i don't own an ST anymore, but my dad still
uses his for drafting & wanted to get GFA Draft 2.0. he told me he's
stopped receiving the catalog & didn't know if they were still in business.

any idea?

jason

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From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Subject: What is g++?
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:32:58 CST

  I cannot find anything like a manual or some basic instructions for G++, is
there such a beast?  My problem is that I am going to try to teach myself C
over my Christmas break, but I will not have access to the net from my home.
Could some nice guy help me (a relativly inexperienced programmer) out with
the basics for C programming?
  I will need a compiler (of course) and probably a linker of some sort.  I
plan on using Gulam as my CLI while 'playing around'.  Any help or
suggestions would be most appreciated.  Thanks!   :-)
 
Jeoff Hines                    c556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu
From: kllove@wildcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Comparing ASCII files
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:13:22 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


I need to be able to compare 2 ASCII files.

The output should be switchable between matching lines and differing lines.
Also, it would be nice, but not necessary, to have the program ignore
white-space before and after text.

Any ideas?

Also, I would like to be able to remove white-space before and after text.
The reason for this?  I have some dBASE program files (from a PisC DOG) that
have been manipulated by so many programs (conversion between dBase II ->
III -> III+ -> DBXL -> QuickSilver -> Arago DBXL/QuickSilver and SCAN-a-
Lyzer!  BTW, if anybody uses Scan I've found a slight bug in its "Re-format"
option.  E-mail me for details.) that somewhere along the lines MANY extra
spaces have been added to the end of lines that is COMPLETELY unecessary.
This system takes up 2.7 MBs of space right now.  I think it could go down
to 2.4.  I don't think the compiled code (3.1 MBs w/overlays -- blech!) size
changes (it shouldn't!), but I'd prefer the more compact code anyway.

If you have seen/heard of a program on the Atari or those Klone machines,
please point me in the right direction.  (Short of c.s.ibm.* groups that
is! :)

                                                  Ramblings from,
                                                  Kenneth Love
From: brown@dgaust.dg.oz (Fred Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Old Game...what's it called.
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:23:21 GMT
Organization: Data General Australia, Melbourne


Re: Dungeon (master?) type games...you could also include:
Bloodwych I & II, Knightmare....
Other variant traditional frp games are: Alternate Reality, Bard's Tale,
Curse of the Azure Bonds, Demon's Winter, Galdregons Domain, Legend of
Faerghail, Kn,,N (sorry typo) Megatraveller, Paladin, Phantasie I, II &
III, Rings of Zilfin, Times of Lore, Ultima II, II, III, IV, V & VI, 
Windwalker, Wizard's Crown & Moebius...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: HUTTER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Wolfgang Hutter)
Subject: Re: Mouse wander - acceptable?
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:16:11 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Nov16.144927.4216@nntp.nta.no> otv@hal.nta.no writes:

> My ATARI dealer sold me a mouse for my STe 1040 which frequently starts
> to wander around the screen by itself - without me touching the mouse.
> The problem is of course that in some programs, if it pulls down a menu,
> the program will not respond to keyboard inputs.  
> 
> My dealer tells me this is common to all non-atari mice,

I have an ATARI mouse and it shows the same effects. Maybe it's the
connection to the mouse-port rather than the mouse itself.

Wolfgang <><


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Lha Files
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:30:58 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Lha=Lharc.

Just use LHarc v2.01L - that should do the trick!

(Probably been archived with the Un*x version)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: Re: New TOS versions?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.011545.3921@microsoft.com> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka) writes:
>
>I'm not sure what you meant by "sub #1000 PC". Is that 1000 dollars or 1000 pounds?

Sorry, I realised yesterday that this was ambigious (you know what I mean) - I
meant 1000 pounds.

>Right now you can buy 25 Mhz 486SX machine for under $1000, and that will give
>you roughly 8 Mhz 68000 emulation. You can still use the real Quick ST or Warp 9

  Today I saw a 25MHz 486SX with VGA Colour monitor and software for 999
pounds inclusive, so I guess either way I'm wrong now!

>running on Gemulator to give you the kind of speed ups you get on a real ST,
>since Quick ST does things in less code, Gemulator has to emulate less code and
>thus speeds up. Same reason it speeds up a real 68000.

Ever thought of implementing some kind of "cache" of the most recent 386 code
you have converted from 68000?  At a simple level you could keep a record
of the 386 translations for the last 100 68000 instructions executed and if
you came across a backward branch instruction you could jump back into proper
386 code - this would speed up loops in a big way.
  Since most 386 machines have caches, there should be no self-modifying code
to f things up.

- Leo
From: olk@rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Marcus Olk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MGIF 4.0 uploaded to atari.archive
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:52:05 GMT
Organization: University of Hamburg, FRG

d8klojo@dtek.chalmers.se (Johan Klockars) writes:

>The binaries and sources for the new and MUCH faster version of MGIF have now
>been uploaded to atari.archive.

Did anybody copy these files to a german ftp-Server, already?

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From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: Re: Falcon specs and price wanted
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:00:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.073843.26299@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.235236.1@fnalc.fnal.gov> traynor@fnalc.fnal.gov writes:
>>Hello--
>>
>>Can someone send me some tech specs and works in progress regarding the Falcon?
>
>George Robbins (from Commodore, how 'bout that. Nice guy, really.) just posted
>the specs in comp.sys.atari.st.tech. List price for a 1MB machine with no
>internal hard drive is supposed to be around $799.
>
>>I'm kinda curious...also I heard that there will be a 68040 version--is that
>>true?  Will there be some sort of connection that will alllow people to use
>>their Falcons as videophones (I read that somewhere).  Finally, can someone
>>send me the retail and street price of typical Falcon setups?  I would appreciate
>>it.
>
>I've heard a fair amount about a 68040 version, but it's not going to be
>available any time soon. I wouldn't expect to see it in the next 3 months,
>anyway.
>
>Hm, videophone, interesting idea, but not something we can do over the current
>phone network, is it? I've seen some AT&T blurbs about videophone technology,
>using some new compression scheme and only sending something like 10 frames per
>second, very low rez. Maybe that's over the existing phone network, but I
>think it's targeted at a digital optical network... I guess it's a cool idea
>but I don't think its time has come yet. (Besides, I'm more often thankful that
>the other end *can't* see me than I'm wishful about seeing the other end. Must
>be all those callers waking me out of a sound sleep... }-)

BT have a Videophone on the market (for about 500 pounds I think).  You are
correct in saying that it uses advanced compression and the frame rate looked
like about 5 per second when they showed it on the News at 10.  Apparently
they are selling it abroad.  I think GPT manufacture it.

- Leo

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>
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