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From: edwin@dutlru2.tudelft.nl (Edwin Wisse)
Subject: Ignorant new khoros user question
Organization: Delft Univ. of Technology, Fac. of Aerospace Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:36:31 GMT

Forgive me my complete ignorance but we have recently ftp-ed the khoros
binaries for our RS6000 and everything seems to work just fine...
However, we would appreciate documentation. Where can we get a khoros
manual? It seems there was no ftp-able copy on the site were I got the
binaries.

Thanks in advance,
-- 
___                                                                      
__  |   |  Edwin Wisse  Delft Uni. of Technology    edwin@dutlru2.tudelft.nl    
___ | | |               Faculty of Aerospace En.    vlruwis@hdetud1.tudelft.nl
From: achim@perm.geologie.uni-freiburg.de (Achim Staerk)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Khoros on 24 bit Silicon Graphics/Pers Iris
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:10:57 GMT
Organization: "Geologisches Institut, Freiburg, Germany"
NNTP-Posting-Host: perm.geologie.uni-freiburg.de


10/06/92

We have the same problem on a SGI Indigo Elan with IRIX 4.0.2.
We use binaries (patch level 5) which should be compiled for 4.0.1.
Everything works fine except warpimage which failes when putting an
image with the following X Error:

X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
  Major opcode of failed request:  72 (X_PutImage)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  0
  Resource id in failed request:  0x3800060
  Serial number of failed request:  1783
  Current serial number in output stream:  1810
Major X error encountered for display ':0.0'! Unable to recover.

Is this another bug of SGI's X server or a bug of warpimage?

Thanks for any idea

Achim

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From: donna@peabody.eece.unm.edu (Donna Koechner-G)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  grey scale morphology toolbox installation
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:23:27 GMT

On Oct 1,  8:17am, Arnold Rots wrote:
} Subject: Re:  grey scale morphology toolbox installation
} You wrote (about the cantata.form file):
} 
} > (Alternately you can set this as the default form in your
} >  .khoros_env file.)
} 
} Is that really true?  As far as I know this files has the
} nastiest hiding place of all, in the .Xdefaults file (and
} That's what I told Wade in a follow-up message that I did
} not want to clutter the Khoros mail with).
} 
}   - Arnold Rots
}-- End of excerpt from Arnold Rots


You are correct.  The form is specified in the .Xdefaults file
as cantata.Form. 

Donna
From: nobody@kodak.com (Mike Bruce)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: morpho toolbox - REPOST
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:55:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40698


To any and all who have successfully installed user-supplied toolboxes:

I sent a similar message out roughly a week ago and received no
responses.  I later discovered that our leased line to the outside
world was down for some time.  So I'm once again to solicit help
in installing the gray-scale morphology toolbox.  Below, I describe
what I did and the error messages I later received when trying to
install the toolbox.


1)  ftp'd the morpho.tar.Z file over to my $KHOROS_HOME directory.
    ($KHOROS_HOME = /usr/dg0/bruce/khoros)

2)  uncompressed and detarred the files into the directory
         $KHOROS_HOME/repos/toolbox
    thus, my "top dir" as defined in the README file is
         $KHOROS_HOME/repos/toolbox/morpho

3)  I modified the Toolboxes file as indicated in the README file
    and I place a copy of it in the $KHOROS_HOME/repos/toolbox
    directory.  This file reads like:

    EXAMPLE_TOOLBOX:$KHOROS_HOME/example_toolbox:Example Toolbox:This
is an example toolbox:Tom Sauer:$EXAMPLE_TOOLBOX/repos/example.info
    MORPHO:/usr/dg0/bruce/khoros/repos/toolbox/morpho:morpho Toolbox:A
toolbox for morphology:G. W. Donohoe:$MORPHO/.Toolbox_info

    There were no carriage returns as directed in the README.

    By the way, what is the .Toolbox_info file, and where is it created?

4)  I set my KHOROS_TOOLBOX environment variable to be
          KHOROS_TOOLBOX = $KHOROS_HOME/repos/toolbox/Toolboxes

5)  Within the morpho_mf file, I made the changes as noted in the README
    file.  I changed KHOROS_USER to (bruce) and I changed the
    LOCAL_SRC_TOP to be /usr/dg0/bruce/khoros/repos/toolbox/morpho/src

6)  When I issue the command "make Makefile Makefiles" within the
    $KHOROS_HOME/repos/toolbox/morpho/src directory, I get an error
    message the reads, "sh: LIB: bad directory"  I received a response
    from a Khoros user who indicated that the reference to the /LIB
    directory found in the $KHOROS_HOME/repos/toolbox/morpho/src/Imakefile
    should be removed.  I did that.  When I run the "make ..." command now
    I still get the same error, but if I issue the "make ..." command
    a second time, things seem to proceed (I think succesfully).  I
    don't understand why I still get the /LIB error in the first place,
    and I'm not sure if the "make Makefile Makefiles" works correctly
    the second time.

7)  To compund matters, when I next issue the "make depend" command,
    I get messages that three files "cannot open".  The files are:
    lvgballse.c, lvgdiskse.c, and lvgmtophat.c

8)  Finally, the "make install" ultimately bombs as well.



Can anybody out there tell me where I'm screwing up?  Please send
your responses directly to  -- bruce@ektron.kodak.com --

Thanks,

Mike Bruce
From: klaus@pessoa.medizin.rwth-aachen.de (Klaus Niemann)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Ordering Khoros (tap/docu)
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:54:43 GMT



To whom it may concern ....				Aachen, 30.9.92

|We are interested in ordering KHOROS (tape and printed documentation).
 The software should run on a SUN SPARC 1 and 2 system, and be compatible
 with SUN OS VERSION 4.1.2. and 4.1.3. However, release information given 
 to a colleague of mine in June includes only Version 4.1.1 and 4.1.2.

 Could you please FAX  a recent release announcement 
 ==>  and an order form (!!!) to
 

 Dr. Klaus Niemann
 Institute of Anatomy I
 RWTH Aachen
 Wendlingweg 2
  
 D-5100 Aachen
 F.R.G / Germany

 FAX: 		49 -241 -804413
 e-mail: 	klaus@cajal.medizin.rwth-aachen.de

A second question: How can we order KHOROS without a credit card ?
Is it possible that you bill our university directly ?


Thanks four your courtesy

K. Niemann
From: danielle@chama.eece.unm.edu (Danielle Argiro)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: YIP YIP YIP
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:59:15 GMT


	Hi there,

	Having hoped that the bizarre subject will have sparked your
	interest ("Nag Nag Nag" might have been better, but I didn't
	want you to hit 'd'!), I would like to appeal once again to your 
	feelings of Civil Obligation here, and encourage you to 
	Please Contribute to our new "Khoros FAQ for Compiling".

	Hopefully, the new Compile FAQ will help to cut down on traffic
	concerning compiles, but will not be effective unless we can
	really address the majority of compilation problems.  Having
	received only 2 responses to my earlier request for participation
	(thanks so much to Bradford Castalia and Vinayak Dutt), I am still
	waiting for that virtual shower of mail proposing new Questions and
	Answers! 

		Come on, folks, please don't let me down! 
		Together, we can do a great job on this.  

			Rah Rah Rah!  

				~ danielle

       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       ~   Danielle Argiro - danielle@bullwinkle.eece.unm.edu   ~
       ~   Software Design & Development, The Khoros Group      ~
       ~   Room 110, EECE Building, UNM;  Albq, NM 87131        ~
       ~                                                        ~
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: danielle@chama.eece.unm.edu (Danielle Argiro)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: "Annotation" without using "Plot"
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:44:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40690


        Hi,

On Sep 29,  3:05am, Yuan-Ling Tang wrote:
} Subject: "Annotation" without using "Plot"
} 
} Hi netters,
} 
}     Here is my problem: In "xprism2" session, when I tried to plot something
}     using "annotation", the system always prompts me that I have to use
}     "Plot" subform to create a graphics workspace. But what I really
}     wanted was just to draw some graph. Also, I don't like my output to
}     show the X,Y axes. So, the question is, can I draw something without
}     creating the workspace? Or do I have to use commands other than
}     "xprism2" for just drawing? Any help will be highly appreciated.
}     Thanks.
} 
} - -Tang
}-- End of excerpt from Yuan-Ling Tang

	An easy way around this is to go ahead and plot something
	(anything will do) and then use the "Hide" mechanism to 
	hide the plot.  You can also turn off the axes using the
	Options subform.  After hiding the plot and hiding the axes,
	you will have a "clean" workspace to draw in.

		~ danielle

       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       ~   Danielle Argiro - danielle@bullwinkle.eece.unm.edu   ~
       ~   Software Design & Development, The Khoros Group      ~
       ~   Room 110, EECE Building, UNM;  Albq, NM 87131        ~
       ~                                                        ~
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: danielle@chama.eece.unm.edu (Danielle Argiro)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: sdumpfile option  in xprism2
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:18:42 GMT


	Hello,

On Sep 5,  5:20pm, av@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx wrote:
} Subject: sdumpfile option  in xprism2
} 
} In xprism2, if I want to generate a set of images
} (for running animate, for example) and I use the 
} -sdumpfile nameoffile option from the command line, it doesn't work.
} I think it doesn't work because in the graphical
} interface, xprism requieres a 'return' key after writing the name
} of the file (in the 'output' options of xprism2). Is there a
} way to indicate that key from the command line? 
} 
} Thanks in advance.
} 
} Alberto Villarreal
} DGSCA UNAM
}-- End of excerpt from av@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx

	This question is similar to another, very popular question:
	"can I get xprism to plot directly to a file (printer)?"  The answer
	here is no.  The way xprism currently works demands that the
	plot is displayed before it is sent to either an output file or
	a printer.  Because of this, the -sdumpfile option does not work
	the way you were expecting it to work;  it cannot send the plot
	automatically to a screendump file.  The -sdumpfile option *does*
	do what it was originally meant to do - that is, to simply fill
	in the parameter box of the "Screen Dump" option on the Files pane
	of the Output subform.  But that is, obviously, not what you were
	expecting. 

			~ danielle

       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       ~   Danielle Argiro - danielle@bullwinkle.eece.unm.edu   ~
       ~   Software Design & Development, The Khoros Group      ~
       ~   Room 110, EECE Building, UNM;  Albq, NM 87131        ~
       ~                                                        ~
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: abadmota@yoko.rutgers.edu (Soraya Abad Mota)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Image format conversion problem
Keywords: Please, Help!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:30:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi!
  I've been struggling with this problem for a while and I'm not
making any progress, so I thought I'd describe it in the newsgroup
to try to get some  enlightenment.
  I have a bunch of medical images in the following format: the
header has 256 x 28 pixels, the data has 256x256 pixels, and there
are 2 bytes/pixel. I used the raw2viff routine and specified the
following parameters:
	Number of Columns(row_size) = 256
	Number of Rows(col_size) = 256
	Number of Bands(num_data_bands) = 1
	Image type is 2_BYTE (short integer)
	Header offset: 256x28x2 = 14336 bytes
	machine type: local
	band offset: 0
	row & column increment factor: 1 & 1
	dimension of location: 0

(The actual call to raw2viff, generated from cantata is:
raw2viff -i /u1/gong/laurie/prost/T2.I.013 
-o /pyrite/system/khoros/GongImages/T2.I.013 
-l 0 -t "short" -mt "Local Machine" -r 256 -c 256)
  
  Now, when the image is displayed with editimage  --after answering
yes when asked if normalization is granted-- I found the
following problems:
  1. The first 16 to 27 lines (approximately, it's different for each
     image) are filled with garbage, ie pixel values
     which are too large or even negative, and in the display this
     is the brightest part of the image. In at least one of the
     original images all these values where the lowest possible value
     in the range.
  2. The image per se is barely visible. (Some of the ones I've
     converted are not visible at all. Better results can be found
     by changing the colormap, but this is not true for all the
     images. Actually I'm more confident about these values because
     parts of the image can be reconstructed by doing thresholding. )

  Besides getting some advice on how to go about this problem
there are some specific questions I haven't been able to answer:
  1. are the pixel values shown by editimage the real values for the
     data, as they were in the raw file?, or are these values the ones
     used for the display?
  2. Is it possible to "get noise" just from running raw2viff. I
     thought I might be getting part of the original header as data,
     but I have checked the parameters to raw2viff, and I don't know
     what to change.
 
  Any help will be greatly appreciated,

Soraya Abad-Mota (abadmota@paul.rutgers.edu)

PS. The original images are being manipulated with another system
    under Suntools, that's why I have been able to compare their
    values with the values under Khoros.
From: errico@staff.tc.umn.edu (Mario Errico)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: New xprism3 compile prblems
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:33:30 GMT

Hello Tom and others,

while installing the new xprism3 I run into the following trouble:

(went fine until 'make install')

..
installing in ./xprism3...
rm -f xprism3
cc -o xprism3 form_info.o  form_init.o  main_util.o  persp.o  run_answer.o  run_
opts3.o  run_output.o  run_ovlay.o  run_xprism3.o  xp3_main.o  -L/home/sapphire/
project/Khoros/xprism/lib -L/home/sapphire/project/Khoros/lib -L/usr/lang/SC1.0.
1  -O -Bdynamic   -ldisplay  -lxvplot  -lgraphics  -lxvforms  -lxvutils    -lgho
st  -lvexpr  -lnum_anal  -ldspl  -lformat  -lgeo_surf  -lvipl  -lvutils  -lvmath
  -lvrast  -lvgparm  -lverror  -ltiff    -lm -ll  -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11
cc: Fatal error in ld: Segmentation fault
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xprism3'
Current working directory /export/sapphire/project/Khoros/xprism/src/xprism3
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install'

Any hint on what is happening?

Thanks,

Mario



Mario Errico, Research Associate
Real-Time Imaging
Center for Interfacial Engineering
University of Minnesota
Minneapolis
From: scherer@sdisu1.den.mmc.com (Wade Scherer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: grey scale morphology
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:52:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40743

Hi again,

Well, we finally got the grey scale morphology toolbox to come up in cantata.

The following steps were necessary (note these steps are changes to 
the Imakes and one procedural step not noted in the README).

1.	In $MORPH/src/Imakefile:
	Delete the /LIB line under SUBDIRS = ...

2.	In $MORPH/src/vg*/Imakefile (all the src subdirectories):
	
 		SRCS = ../Lib/lvg*.c \ 
 			vg*.c 
 
 		and the OBJS definition must be changed to 
 
 		OBJS = ../Lib/lvg*.o \ 
 			vg*.o

3.	The missing procedural step from the README file:
	
	As quoted from Carla 

>		"You just need to run Cantata using the toolbox form:
>
>		$ cantata -form $MORPHO/repos/cantata/morpho.form
>
>		(Alternately you can set this as the default form in your
>		 .khoros_env file.)  Suggestions for accessing multiple
>		 toolboxes are included at the end of the vroutine tutorial."

Using the directions in the README file and the changes listed above, the
toolbox does come up in cantata.

Now, another problem has arisen.

The greyscale routines (erode, dilate, etc., not including the kernel routines)
must be run after a conversion routine.  The conversion routine can be set to
provide integer or byte output (to match the setting of the output of the
kernel routines).  

If the conversion routine provides byte output, an error message requesting
VFF_TYP_4_BYTE is created.

If the conversion routine provides integer output, an error message requesting
VFF_TYP_1_BYTE is created.

Thus, no apparent means of running any of the grey scale routines presents itself.

Is there a simple fix for this, I have reproduced these errors for all of
the grey scale morphology routines (excluding the kernels, they seem to be OK).

Thanks again,

Wade Scherer
From: lu-chien-ping@cs.yale.edu (Chien-Ping Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: How to get lib without compiling
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:22:18 GMT


I have ftped all dirs (bin, src, repos,...), and I do not want
to recompile the whole things. The bin works very well here.
The only proble is that I do not have lib dir. I searched over
khoros ftp site, and could not find them. Can anybody tell me how to 
get it without compiling? I am running SUN SPARC2.

--Chien-Ping Lu
From: dave.johnson@the-matrix.com (Dave Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros on 24 bit Silicon Graphics/Pers Iris
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:01:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40799

From:       dave.johnson@the-matrix.com (Dave Johnson)
Date:       10/03/92 20:50 CDT

I have Khoros system 1.0 Patch 5 running on a Silicon Graphics 4D20G
Personal Iris (o/s 4.0.1). I am trying to use warpimage but keep getting the fo
error message from Khoros:

X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
  Major opcode of failed request:	72 (X_Put_Image)
  Minor opcode of failed request:	0
  Resource id in failed request:	0x2800062
  Serial number of failed request:	512
  Current serial number in ouput stream:	516
Major X error encountered for display '0:0.0' Unable to recover.

Can anyone shed some light on this problem? I have logged a bug report at UNM.
They do not have access to a 24 bit system so they cannot check the problem.
Any patches or comments are helpful at this point. A phone call to
(205)-916-2919 (Dave Johnson) or (205)-916-2907 (Jon Marstrander) would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
DJ
---
 . SPEED 1.10 [NR] .
From: donohoe@jemez.eece.unm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: morpho toolbox fix
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:13:48 GMT

All who have had trouble with the 'morpho' toolbox,  thank you for your
patience.  There were several errors  that must be corrected
before it can be installed.  Your options are:

A.  FTP the corrected tarfile from pprg, OR

B.  If you've already FTP'd the toolbox and don't want to do it again,
    follow these instructions to fix it:

Step 1:  fix the [IM]akefiles in the 'vgdiskse' subdirectory, so they
    know that this is a toolbox we're make'ing for:

% cd {morpho toolbox directory}/src/vgdiskse
% rm Makefile Imakefile
% imkmf -type prog -name vgdiskse -toolbox morpho
% makemake


Step 2: rebuild all the [IM]akefiles to remove the erroneous reference
   to a non-existent 'LIB' directory:

% cd {morpho toolbox directory}/src
% make Imakefile Imakefiles

Now you should be able to make the librarys and 'make install' the
toolbox.

Good luck.  Many thanks to Tom Sauer of the Khoros Group for his help.
As always,  bug reports are welcome.

======================================================
Greg Donohoe,  Assistant Professor
Electrical and Computer Engineering
University of New Mexico	Tel: 505-277-6724
Albuquerque, NM 87131	      email: donohoe@chama.eece.unm.edu

"Sometimes the 'optimal' solution just ain't very good."
======================================================
From: noran!iowa!kburton@uunet.uu.net (Kevin Burton)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros anonymous FTP
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:53:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.40680


I have been having difficulty in accessing 'khoros@chama.eece.unm.edu'.
Since I do not have direct Internet access I have been trying to use
an ftp mail server. On doing so I get the following reply:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Return-Path: <uunet!Pa.dec.com!nobody>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 15:46:31 -0700
From: ftpmail server on uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com <uunet!Pa.dec.com!nobody>
To: kburton@noran.COM
Subject: results of ftpmail request 717345620.25350 [-]
X-Complaints-To: ftpmail-request@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com

Orig message-id: <9209241403.AA27968@iowa.YP.solsys>
Orig subject: -
Orig from: noran!iowa!kburton@uunet.UU.NET (Kevin Burton)
Orig date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 09:03:32 CDT

--- connecting to pprg.eece.unm.edu...
Connecting to pprg.eece.unm.edu
Failed to connect
Pausing between retries
!!! Failed to connect
---> (end of ftpmail session)

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Can somebody give be a hint as to what is wrong ? 

Thank you.
From: williams@nvl.army.mil (Timothy Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: How to generate graphics overlays?
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:12:46 GMT

I'm using Khoros 1.0 PL5 on a Solbourne S4000 sparcstation.  I'd like to be
able to display an image with either putimage or editimage and overlay on it
either a box or a point whose coordinates are read in from a file.  I know
that I can use the Annotate function from Image Utilities in Editimage
interactively, but I'd like to know if there exists a vroutine that I can
glyph and connect to the display routine as the overlay image input for
editimage or putimage.  I couldn't find anything like this in the User's
Manual.  (An index would really be nice!)

Anyone have a toolbox out there I can use for this?  Thanks.
-- 
Tim Williams                                   COM: (703) 704-1685
Night Vision & Electro-Optics Directorate      DSN: 654-1685
AMSEL-RD-NV-ISP (Williams)                     FAX: (703) 704-1705
Ft. Belvoir, VA 22060-5677                  E-MAIL: williams@nvl.army.mil