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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Birdie Meets Garlic
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:48:04 GMT
Keywords: <sniff><sniff><sniffffffffff>

folks,

well, there i was yesterday, cooking dinner, with angus (yellow
collared macaw) wandering around the kitchen counter.  His alert
eyes caught sight of this teeny tiny light bulb with the most
intriguing odor!  testing it gently with his beak, he discovered
it quite to his taste (meanwhile, i was unaware this was happening),
and happily munched it down.  noticing that his human was ignoring him,
he demanded to be picked up and proceeded to show his affection via
a big birdie kiss.

the rest of this story is left as an exercise for the reader....
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From: pubs1@plx.com (Temporary Technical Writer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Bird baths
Keywords: n
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:15:35 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

A couple of thoughts about bird baths and 'tiel mating,
and hopefully my first successful posting.
My two female 'tiels (Bonny and Pearl) *love* to be hosed down
with the squirt bottle. Swee'pea used to go into the shower with me,
but wont anymore, and Screech pretty much is not into the bath thing.

Lee Steele aka Dude Shades  DoD #503    "I hate vi."  Lee Steele
Plexus software didn't say this, I did.
From: au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Bird Snacks Summary
Date: 10 Jan 1993 16:40:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn)
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Thanks for your postings/e-mail about your birds' favorite snacks.

Pizza seems to be at the top of the list, and I've learned that
avacado (because it can be toxic) and lettuce and leafy greens (because
they can sour the crop) are no-nos.

Besides pizza, popcorn (without salt), margarine, sesame seeds, dry cereal,
and hard-boiled egg yolk are treats enjoyed by our feathered companions.
Everyone who responded said they allow these items in very small quantities.

Re: the posting about high cholesterol in a parrot reported in _Bird
Talk_...I suspect that either that bird got too many treats or was like
many humans, who simply have a tendency toward high cholesterol.

The consensus was that snacks in moderate amounts are not harmful, and some
even suggested that they're even beneficial. Any more thoughts on this?
Any other favorite snacks?

Linda (I must get a sig. file) Zinn
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From: kldavis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kendall L Davis)
Subject: REGARDING DIET QUESTIONS
Summary: Leafy Greens & Pellets
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:06:09 GMT


     In response to comments made regarding leafy veggies:
Both our vet and other breeders, with whom we are in contact regularly,
advise against giving leafy vegetables like lettuce, spinach, kale, etc.
Though not all birds will have problems, many cannot properly grind
these leafs in their crops, and sour crop results. In fact, one lory
breeder we spoke with said he had lost some of his birds because a
member of his hired staff had given spinach leaves to a breeding pair.
Our birds get fresh fruits and veggies every day. Plantain, chili peppers,
sweet peppers, corn, apples, and citrus fruits are favorites. Bananas
and plantain are excellent sources of potassium.
     Also included in our "fresh" mix are meat (shredded chicken or turkey,
cooked hamburger), soaked beans, and cooked rice. This mix comprises
approx. 50% of their diet. The remainder is pellets. Seeds are given
occasionally as treats.
     Changing birds from seed to pellets is a good idea. The pellets are
much more nutritionally balanced. That's not to say that pellets are
100% nutritionally complete. Fresh veggies, fruits, beans and nuts are
essential, especially during molting and breeding. Different species
require different percentages of fresh stuff. Lories and conures, for
example, require more fresh fruits than macaws do. Beans and rice must
ALWAYS be soaked or cooked first.  Dried beans and rice will, once
ingested, expand in the crop and block it. (waiting for the flames on that
one, let them come.)
     Start changing the bird's diet by mixing pellets into the old
seed mix. Most birds will find the pellets interesting, experiment, and
begin eating the pellets almost immediately. You might have to try
a few different brands until you find one your bird likes. Shape and color
seem to be a factor, and our birds definately eat their pellets in a
specific color order. Gradually reduce the amount of seed offered until
the bird is eating only pellets.
     Hope this helps.



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From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:10:45 GMT
Subject: Re: 'Tiel Nostril Problem
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds


It might be a small piece of feather covering the opening.  This happens
to my 'tiel quite often, but he usually sneezes it out eventually.

- Bill G

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From: rei@athena.mit.edu (Cynic)
Subject: Re: Bird Snacks Summary
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:36:07 GMT

I just read the bird snacks summary....  I have never heard of
problems from leafy greens, even in all these years of reading Bird
Talk and bird books.  Leafy greens (especially dark green ones -
iceburg lettuce does not count) are an excellent source of vitamins
and other nutrients that most birds (and people) could really use.
Plus, my 'tiel and my lovebird both enjoy eating romaine lettuce.
It's a good way to feed them vegetables (when they're sick of
broccoli, for instance).  A diet based mostly on starch (pizza crusts
& crackers & seeds) is nutritionally lacking - birds need dark green
veggies!  And don't forget the yellow veggies (sweet potatoes,
carrots, sweet peppers), either - beta carotene/vitamin A is also good
stuff.

And one more reminder that has to be said one more time: no chocolate!
Chocolate contains theobromine, which is toxic to *all* pets.
(The reason dogs often get away with eating it is because they eat
small quantities relative to their body mass).  Despite the chocoholic
parakeet in the comic strip Kudzu, birds shouldn't ever be allowed to
eat chocolate.

-rei
From: minehart@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: New water "cup" for bird cage
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:16:10 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hi, I'm the one who did the original post on this subject talking about the
ball-and-tube water bottles.  I left for holiday vacation and upon my return
see that postings prior to 12/29 have dropped off, but I take it from one or
two of the postings on the subject that there may have been some comments about
these water bottles occasioning a less frequent change of drinking water for
birds.

I want to emphasize that I still give Oscar fresh water at least once and
usually twice a day.  I would never view this bottle as an excuse to keep using
"old" water.  I did mention something in that note about it "lasting awhile" --
I can't remember how I worded it -- but I meant the bottle, not the water.  I
just meant the construction, etc. seems pretty good.  

Oscar takes a shower with me every morning.  He climbs onto the bar on the
inside of the shower door and as the water deflects off my, it sprays onto him
and he spreads his wings, hangs upside down, etc.  He doesn't want me to touch
him at these times -- he wants to luxuriate in the sensations he gets from the
shower, not be bothered by me -- and he lets me know in no uncertain terms that
he's angry with me for trying to pet him or whatever while he's bathing.

Anyway, as I said, I was just delighted with the water bottle as opposed to the
water cup because he can't drop things into the water this way nor can he
(should he decide to take a second bath during the day) bathe in it.  He used
to get his water pretty disreputable-looking within a few short hours -- I
couldn't change it often enough.  He does not want to take a bath in a dish --
I've tried dishes in the bottom of his cage and in the sink and he has no
interest in them.  He'll let me dip him under the faucet and LOVES being
misted, but an open dish is just unappealing to him.  The drinking water dishes
attached to the side of his cage were another thing, however.  

Jill
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds,ne.forsale
From: prs@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Paul Schmidt)
Subject: Parrot for sale
Reply-To: prs@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Paul Schmidt)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:50:04 GMT

Our net access was partially hosed when I first sent
this; I'm sorry for any redundancy this may cause...

FOR SALE:
Amazon "Mealy" Parrot


The Mealy parrot is similar to the Blue Crown,
but larger - one of the biggest Amazon species.

"Peanut" is hand and stick trained, is gentle, 
and says a few words. S/he prefers women, though 
can easily be handled by men as well. About 8-10 
years old.

$800 includes cage; we can deliver within a
reasonable distance from Southeastern MA.

e-mail:
Internet: prs@ileaf.com
BIX: p.schmidt or morganfox

phone (days):
(617) 290-0710 x4630
From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Cockatiel Conquers Evil Paper Was Re: Bird Snacks Summary
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:01:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.C0r8uo.66r
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota

In article <Jan.12.11.56.15.1993.386@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, donna@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donna Whitlinger) writes:
|> dboldt@dsdbqvarsa (David Boldt (x5679)) writes:
|> 
|> >My cockatiel also seems fascinated by pens 
|> >and pencils in use;  though if I put the writing implement down she carries it 
|> >to the edge of the tables and watches it fall.  No chewing at all.
|> 
|> Daniel Bird (male grey cockatiel) finds nothing so fascinating as dropping
|> things from a higher surface to a lower one.  He watches things fall and
|> sometimes chirps in victory.  Is there any explanation for this behavior?

Never, never, _never_ try to understand your bird.  Some things humans
were not meant to understand... :-)

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From: pubs1@plx.com (Temporary Technical Writer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: New water "cup" for bird cage
Keywords: n
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:56:56 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

Screech and Pearl have successfully raised babies, but the first two clutches were complete losses, due to nobody knowing what they were doing.
When successful, Pearl did 90% of the brooding, and Screech 
did 90% of the feeding of the babies.
I set up the breeding cage in the living room, so we never lost
contact with each other. They got a little hissy, but I would
regularly (once a day) clean the nest box. The second time (brood) I
even picked up the only surviving baby for a few seconds each day.
The parents always came over to watch me, but they didn't seem to
really mind, and the baby (Daisy) has the *sweetest* personality.
This hopefully helps illustrate that birds have a great deal 
of personality, and although it never hurts to ask, better 
to learn what *your* birds like and dislike, rather than what
other people's birds do. (Don't stop posting the stories, though!)
Good luck!

Lee Steele aka Dude Shades  DoD #503    "I hate vi."  Lee Steele
Plexus software didn't say this, I did. 
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From: judy@lobster.hou.tx.us (Judy Scheltema)
Subject: Re: Help!!! My parrot bites/squawks!
Organization: Lobster; Houston, Texas
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:24:44 GMT

In article <1i8rs5INNffv@mirror.digex.com> dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey) writes:
>In article <1i8p5aINN9v2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn) writes:
>
>
>I can't help on the bites and noise, but on giving
>the birdo a bath, I find that using a blow dryer will
>allow you to dry the bird down very quickly, and keep
>them from getting chilled.  I find that the dryer on a 
>medium fan, hot temp, and held a good two feet or so 
>away works pretty well.  

I agree with using the blow dryer, but not all birds will let you
blow-dry them. Of the six birds I've had experience with, my two
Cockatoos (Moluccan and Citron) love to be blow-dried. My Blue and
Gold Macaw hates it and will scream at the blow-dryer. My Congo
African Grey will tolerate it, but would rather not have anything
to do with baths period. A Double yellow-headed Amazon would not
let me dry him at all. So when I started teaching my 5 month old
female Eclectus about getting a bath, I took her into the shower
with me and the Citron cockatoo. When we got out, I put both birds
on the rug in the bathroom and started drying the cockatoo first.
She watched this going on and when it was her turn to get dried,
she ducked her head and spread her wings to get dried.

> With an Umbrella Cockatoo at least, 
>this is a two person job, one with the bird sitting on 
>their shoulder and the other with the dryer.  The key is

I'll bet you could just put your cockatoo on the floor and
she/he would stay right there and enjoy getting dried off.

>The Cockatoo in question spreads her wings, points into the 
>"wind" and seems to have a great time pretending to fly.  She
>certainly likes the blow drying even more than the bath!

And mine will turn around, with their rear-ends up in the air so
the tail and belly can get dried. It's a riot watching them. ;-)


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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: RE: Transporting Quaker
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:40:06 GMT

In article <C0I0DL.97z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M.  
Moy) writes:

> 	I believe Quakers are illegal to keep as pets in Pennsylvania and
> 	California (maybe others too).  However, I doubt most law enforcement
> 	officials in those states know this, or even what a Quaker looks
> 	like.  Good Luck.

I think they probably know in Pennsylvania, but the description
might be quite different!

Anyway, lucky I didn't stop there on my last D.C. - Chicago run,
with cockatiel and quaker riding shotgun.

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From: jgaukel <judy@nepac.ucsd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Favorite snacks?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:24:47 GMT
Organization: scripps inst. of oceanography
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Re: Favorite snacks?

Does anybody else's bird seem color-preference'd to food?  Blondie, the
cockatiel,  loves corn chips, but won't TOUCH the "blue corn" chips!
And, how do you get birds to eat fruit?  She SOMETIMES will try things
but if it's not "crunchable" she doesn't seem to like it, most of the time
(unless it's some form of bread!)!!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: Birdie treats
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:49:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.225321.8782@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  writes:

   Completely off the subject...I enjoy this news group and find it a good
   source of information, but I'd love to see more bird anecdotes. 

Ok.

Sancho is our 5 year old blue-fronted Amazon, and Jezabel is his 5
year old double yellow-headed Amazon girl friend. Their cages sit side
by side. One morning last week I opened the door to their room at
about 6:30am, as usual. The birds stretched, yawned, scratched; also
per usual. Then Sancho looked over at Jezzy and said, "Jezabel, pretty
girl!." He next said, "Jezabel, I _love_ you." To which Jezabel turned
to him and replied, "Shut Up!"

Guess she got up on the wrong side of her perch...

--Doug

BTW: On a different note: does anybody out there own a black-headed
caique? We have one, and he is a little charmer. I'd like to compare
notes with other people owned by these feathered devils...
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From: jew5001@venus.tamu.edu (WILLIAMSON, JOHN EDWARD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: More Quaker Questions
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:23 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

First why are they called both Quakers and Monks?  It seems odd that they
could pick up names associated with two vastly different branches of
Christianity.  

Second, if anyone has bought either of these two small books, I'd 
like to know what you think of teh 

_Quaker Parakeets_ from The Bird House

_The Charming Little Quaker_ from Greeson's Baby Parrots

(both were found advertised in the back of _Bird talk_

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Scary 'tiel behavior
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:00:44 GMT

This is also known as "thrashing".  Ricky did it one night and flapped out
20-30 feathers, and scared the HELL out of me.  Why do all birdie
emergencies have to occur after the vets are all closed.  (I was given an
emergency number, but no one answered.)  I have heard that you need to make
sure that your bird has at least a night light--the weirdest things can
scare them and they need to be able to see what is going on, where the cage
bars are etc.                         Renee
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Crows and Ravens
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:21:20 GMT

In article <GLEASON.93Jan7145207@scf16.scf.loral.com>  
gleason@scf16.scf.loral.com (Robert Gleason) writes:
> 
> I just watched the movie "You Can't Take it With You" by Frank Capra (1930's)
> and noticed that one of the characters had a pet Crow. 

Note also that Uncle Billy in "It's a Wonderful Life" also had a crow.

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Birdie Meets Garlic
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:12:42 GMT



An interesting story of Bird eating garlic.  According to what
I have from my pellet manufacturers, birds like the taste of
garlic, as well as paprika and spicy peppers.  

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: re:birds & polymer clays
From: thompson@gumby.mgi.com
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:47:42 CST
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.


I received a bunch of FIMO clay and a book for christmas -- neat stuff--
well anyhow, while reading the book it has a Warning!!!!!  When
you bake the polymer (sp) clay, it omits fumes that can be hazardous
to your birds.  I did not see this warning anywhere on the packages
of clay.  But the book spells out real clear, it may be deadly to your pet
birds.

maggie
From: au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Bird Snacks Summary
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:15:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: au500@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zinn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rei@athena.mit.edu (Cynic) says:

>I just read the bird snacks summary....  I have never heard of
>problems from leafy greens, even in all these years of reading Bird
>Talk and bird books.  Leafy greens (especially dark green ones -
>iceburg lettuce does not count) are an excellent source of vitamins
>and other nutrients that most birds (and people) could really use.
>Plus, my 'tiel and my lovebird both enjoy eating romaine lettuce.
>It's a good way to feed them vegetables (when they're sick of
>broccoli, for instance).  

LZ>The person who e-mailed me about no lettuce didn't specify which kind, but
LZ>perhaps he'll want to comment further?

A diet based mostly on starch (pizza crusts
>& crackers & seeds) is nutritionally lacking - birds need dark green
>veggies!  And don't forget the yellow veggies (sweet potatoes,
>carrots, sweet peppers), either - beta carotene/vitamin A is also good
>stuff.

LZ>By asking if people food is harmful for birds and asking what snacks
LZ>people's birds like, I don't think I implied that these snacks should 
LZ>comprise any bird's entire diet, but thanks for the info...my feathered
LZ>roommate, alas, prefers fresh fruit over fresh veggies, which he promptly
LZ>flings to the bottom of his cage. Any suggestions? 

>And one more reminder that has to be said one more time: no chocolate!
>Chocolate contains theobromine, which is toxic to *all* pets.
>(The reason dogs often get away with eating it is because they eat
>small quantities relative to their body mass).  Despite the chocoholic
>parakeet in the comic strip Kudzu, birds shouldn't ever be allowed to
>eat chocolate.
>
>-rei

LZ>Good points made here. While we're on nutrition, has anyone successfully
LZ>switched an adult parrot from seeds/nuts to those little pellets (e.g., 
LZ>Exact)? I tried for weeks, and became concerned that Zack would starve.
LZ>I've heard the pellets are supposed to be more nutritionally complete,
LZ>not to mention less wasteful and messy, but they won't do Zack any
LZ>good if he won't eat them. 

Linda

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From: Linda_Richards@mindlink.bc.ca (Linda Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Favorite snacks and their colors
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:20:48 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Fred hates pnik fruit loops.

Go figure. He likes orange and the other colors, but will actually run to the
other end of his perch when you offer him a pink one.

Go figure.

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