HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Robert D. Bernstein <rbernstein@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:57 PDT
Subject: Re: Iran Contra
Nf-ID: #R:28JUL199211475341@ariel.lerc.nas:-125741426:cdp:1299600056:000:1238
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rbernstein    Jul 29 19:57:00 1992


1) I am not a Democrat. One set of scum does not change another.
2) The leadership of the contras was in Washington, DC. The front men for
   the contras were Spanish-speaking white people in Nicaragua and in
   Miami.
3) The United States has occupied and invaded Nicaragua for much of the
   past 100 years. It created the Guardia Nacional in the 1930s and
   recreated it in the 1980s as the contras. Democracy has not been
   high on the U.S. agenda.
4) Why do you waste your time attacking small efforts to inject some
   accountability into our government's actions? If you don't like
   the behavior of Democratic candidates, don't vote for them. If they
   break the law (US or international) call for their prosecution.
5) Murdering 100,000 innocent people may not be in the same category
   as avoiding the draft.
6) Our country came to be through force of arms. The Sandinista revolution
   by any statistics was far more popular and less violent to their
   opposition than was the U.S. revolution. If you are not aware of
   that you obviously were not in Nicaragua during the 1980s when
   everyone wanted to take credit for their role in the revolution as
   a matter of pride.

-- Robert ``nobody calls me Bob'' Bernstein

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Masonic Designs in D.C. Street Layout!  See for yourself!
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:26:57 GMT

In article <19535@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
|> In article <36511@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> traveler writes:
|> 
|> [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> >same ideas many of the "freethinking" Masons of the Enlightenment
|> >championed (which is what made them, like the early U.S>, such
|> >a threat to the old monarchical establishemetn).  So next time
|> >you hear Pat Robvertson telling you America is a Christian
|> >nation...you know he's wrong...it's a Masonic one...
|> 
|> Don't forget how the east window in the Washington monument is
|> bigger than the rest.  And all the symbols concealed in the
|> Great Seal.
 
 If you want piles and piles of Washington/Masonic connections, just visit
the Masonic Memorial to George Washington in Alexandria, VA. Just a five
minute walk from the King Street metro station, this monument contains a 
mini-museum with all kinds of information about Washington's connection to
the Masonic order.
From: michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Masonic Designs in D.C. Street Layout!  See for yourself!
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:42:11 GMT
Organization: Boston University
In-reply-to: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 01:26:57 GMT

In article <rvxx1pc@rpi.edu> kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:

=   If you want piles and piles of Washington/Masonic connections, just visit
=  the Masonic Memorial to George Washington in Alexandria, VA. Just a five
=  minute walk from the King Street metro station, this monument contains a 
=  mini-museum with all kinds of information about Washington's connection to
=  the Masonic order. 

George Washington's connection with the Masons?
Simple: He *was* one. As was Franklin. As were many of the members
of both the American militia and the British army  (but I digress...)
A relatively good source concerning the extent of Freemasonry in
Colonial America is the second part of Baigent & Leigh's
_The_Temple_and_the_Lodge_. There are others which are better, but
this one is pretty concise. This book also has an old street plan for
Washngton D.C. with the masonic relations traced.
(If I'm covering old material, please forgive me, as I've only
just started following this thread, and many of the earlier statements
have been deleted)

ciao,
chaplin.
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From: dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Soviet archives, samples available from the ftp-site seq1.loc.gov
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:16:32 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen) writes:

>This was in talk.politics.soviet, and I thought you conspirates could
>find this interesting. I have now browsed few of the files, and some
>of them are just boring, and some are almost 'hilarious', in a sort of

I tried to get "handbook.ps" twice and got shut off somewhere
around the 1.5 meg point (page 15 was the last one printed).  Should
I suspect that there is something after page 16 that somebody
doesn't want me to see?

Dave


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:04:07 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <711961244.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:

> GS> such...However, SOMEONE did forge those letters that I supposedly wrote
> GS> from here, and other places as well...In a little while, I will be
> GS> filing my lawsuit in federal court, and I WILL be voicing my experiences
> GS> in a court of law...If you want to think I a nut, fine.

>Does this now mean your girlfriend is NOT a clone?

We replaced his girlfriend 7 months' ago, just before we removed his brain
and toasted it for lunch. Much to our surprise, it appeared to have been
toasted already, and we over-cooked it. The original girlfriend is now
working as a hooker in the Alpha-Centauri area, and refuses to consider
returning to the garyclone - as she puts it, "Once you've been fucked by
dynamic, jelly-like thought fields, what's to go home to?"


-- 
Josef Kramer, a man whose incumbency earned him the sobriquet "The Beast of
Belsen," treated the uncontrollable epidemic of diarrhea at Belsen with a
prescription of starvation. "If you don't eat," he said, "you don't shit."
"The more dead Jews you bring me," he noted, "the better I like it."
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Come on, who was it bet me $50???
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:45:48 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Jul25.163758.25831@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
>In article <4848@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
>
>Why would you necessarily connect a strike on Iraq with the election? (Yes,
>I understand it's timely and convenient for Bush) Frankly, I think it's
>damned well time that the UN finished the job and either took Saddam _out_
>or so reduced his military that _they_ would take him out. The downside

Well, obviously they're going to pick someone who looks like they deserve
it (and may well do - I dunno).  I'm just saying that those cynics among
us said around last november that something like this would happen now,
and were lambasted for our cynicism.  (I *wish* I'd kept archives!)

G
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER))
Subject: israel
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:15 EST  

Dan Graves writes:

>we support Israel because it is in our interest to support the only
>democracy in the region

How so?  It would seem to me that our only interest in the middle east
is in making sure that we have access to the oil produced over there.
Since Israel is considered by the oil producing nations of the region
to be their enemy, how is it in the national interest of the USA to
continue providing support to Israel?  

Casey Hanlon
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Where did the money go?
From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:37:56 GMT
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

What happened to the money raised by Perot's supporters from sales of
T-shirts, bumper stickers etc? We know that Perot didn't spend it on
advertising...

Maybe the whole thing was just a fund-raiser for Ross himself?
From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:23:28 -0500

Tuesday July 21 1992, Jeremy Reimer writes to All:

 JR>
 JR> Poll:  Is ARF a pinhead?  YES or NO.
 JR>

Yes.
From: traveler@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: The Irish Church
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:49:50 GMT
Reply-To: traveler
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4



	As I understand it, the Irish Church was established something
like this: Egyptian missionaries went to Gaul (i.e. France), 
taking much of their monastic tradition with them; later the
Gallic church evangelized Ireland.  Indeed, it was not under the
thumb of Rome originally.  If anything, the Irish church was
Orthodox, in the sense of the Eastern Orthodox churches which
survive today in many parts of the world.  Interestingly, you
can find icons in Russian and Greek Orthodox churches with
the Venerable Bede, St. Patrick, and other early British saints
from the era before Rome established its dominance.
	My parents, raised a Baptist and a Methodist, became
Episcopal in college, but eventually became dissatisfied and
found the Eastern Orthodox church (tho there are national
churches--Russina, Greek, Syrian, etc.--they are doctrinally
and spiritually unified).  While I am unsure if I consider
myself a Christian (a Taoist Sufi existentialist Christian,
maybe), all the reading I have done leads me to conclude that
the Eastern branch of Christianity, neglected and virtually
unknown in the West, is the truest and closest to Jesus' actual
teachings.  Rome's innovative claim to lordship over the
other four original churches (Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem,
Alexandria), as well as some theological innovations (a
doctrine lessening the importance of the Holy SPirit--and thus 
increasing the importance of the Church as mediator between
God and man) caused the other churches to split with it in
1054 AD.
	Since then, of course, Western Christianity has been thru
the "Reformation" which many Protestants believe was restoring
the state of the church to its 1st century conditions.  HOw
little they know!  Most protestants don't know anything
between the Book of Acts and Martin Luther.  The fact is, if
you are truly seeking original christianity--a faith whose
doctrines have not been expanded upon since the last Nicene
Council (687 AD!), and whose traditions go back to the 
APostles and Jesus--a church, incidentally, that never endorsed
naive claims of biblical literalism, doesn't have an 800 number,
or a pope (and alas, may not have a branch near you, at least
one with a liturgy in English)--this is for you.   :)

	
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From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Come on, who was it bet me $50???
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:12:28 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

In article <JMC.92Jul19170737@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
|> 
|> I offer to bet $50 even odds that the U.S. will take no military
|> action that results in the loss of more than 5 armed U.S. ground
|> soldiers or marines in combat.  I don't count a transport plane being
|> shot down as such an action, e.g. a relief plane at Sarajevo airport.
|> I also don't count pilots, since I air action doesn't count as an
|> invasion.  I therefore don't count attacks on bars or on military
|> advisers.  In order to avoid dubious cases I don't count countries
|> where U.S. troops are currently stationed.  Both Yugoslavia and
|> Cuba do count.
|> 

Gee, it's too bad you excluded pilots.  The US Ambassador to the UN was
sabre rattling this morning and mentioned that if IRAQ doesn't stop holding
out on the UN inspections, massive air strikes are very likely.  he said
these would likely be carried out by US and UK pilots. (There were others,
but only US and UK were mentioned in this thread.)  Of course, if we start
bombing again, there is always the chance that we'll send ground troops in 
again to finish what we should have the last time.

bill

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From: michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Masonic Designs in D.C. Street Layout!  See for yourself!
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:48:18 GMT
Organization: Boston University
In-reply-to: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 01:26:57 GMT

Oh, yes, I forgot to say that the Marquis de LaFayette was also
a Freemason if I'm not mistaken, and he was one of the planners
of D.C. The story goes that there's no "J" street because of his
dislike for Chief Justice John Jay...
What does that prove? It proves the same thing that the masonic
symbols in the streets prove. 
"Given the most carefully controlled conditions,
the organism will do as it damn well pleases."

Has anybody started talking about the dollar bill yet,
or is that old hat?

chaplin.

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Posting JFK stuff here? Why?
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:09:06 GMT

reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.173402.29939@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( ) writes:
>>In article <2A6EA9D1.8AFE@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>>According to bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou):
>>>>I don't receive ...jfk, so I have to post it here.  :-)
>>>Talk to your administrator about getting a.c.jfk.  In the meantime,
>>>_please_ don't cross-post inappropriately.  DEREK, THIS MEANS YOU.
>>Unfortunately, someone "upstream" of us has decided that they don't want
>>to carry alt.c.jfk.  Obviously part of the WC conspiracy, in my opinion

>Why not ask your news.admin about it?  
>					reb

Because what if he's in on it?
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER))
Subject: iran contra
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Jul 1992 08:20 EST  

Prehaps Bob Bernstein can tell us why these popular Sandanistas were voted
out of office when they finally allowed free elections to take place.

Casey Hanlon 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Agnew the tennis player?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:44:04 GMT

   Sorry for the frivolous question, but I have a vague recollection
that Agnew hit his partner with a serve during a pro-celebrity tennis
event.  Other people either don't remember this, or say it was Ford.

   I would appreciate any written references.
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship
Subject: Thought You'd Be Interested (AIPAC)
Summary: censorship raises its ugly head
Keywords: israel, freedom, choice, education, information, blackout
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:20:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.censorship
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

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> From: lfa1@cec1.wustl.edu (Lorrie Faith Ackerman)
> Subject: holocaust revisionism and the net
> Message-ID: <1992Jul27.205851.21557@wuecl.wustl.edu>
> Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (Usenet Administrator)
> Distribution: usa
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:58:51 GMT
> 
> I attended an AIPAC (a pro-Israel lobbying group) leadership
> seminar this weekend and was quite dismayed to hear a speaker
> refer to the Internet as a forum for propagating Holocaust
> revisionist theories.  She also had a few choice words about
> student newspaper editors who chose to print Bradley Smith's
> ad.  Having been partially responsible for the decision to print
> the ad at Washington University, I offered her my point of view
> in the Q&A session.  She refused to hear my arguments and we
> ran out of time before I could even begin to explain what the
> Internet is (when she made the comment I heard mumblings in
> the mostly computer-illiterate audience to the effect of:
> what company runs this Internet thing?  How can we stop them).
> Anyway, I thought I would share this little anecdote with
> everyone.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Congress and the balaced budget scam
From: rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether)
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:45:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <84357@netnews.upenn.edu> david@penndrls.upenn.edu writes:
>In article <Brwo8M.MFz@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>   Oh, Bush-it!   The *real* culprits are the voters.  They're the ones who
>>   reward legislators who "bring home the bacon" in the form of federal
>>   contracts, aid programs, keeping military bases open, etc, with 
>>   re-election.  They're also the ones who demand the the government "do
>>   something" about every problem that comes along.  If the Birchers,
>>   Mr. Affleck, or their mouthpiece here on the net Mr. Bacon think I'm
>>   wrong then they should try running for election somewhere on a platform
>>   of promising to *slash* federal spending programs going to your constituency.
>
>I'll vote for a candidate with that platform. You are essentially right, with
>the caveat that in general, voters are not presented with candidates with
>such platforms, and so many people (how many I don't pretend to know)
>who are not in favor of pork simply don't vote.  As to why there aren't
>any such candidates; well, in general somebody with enough sense to know
>that pork in particular and public spending in general is bad also has enough
>sense to know that politics is a dirty business and wants no part of it. 
>Not to mention that any such person would /never/ get the support of either
>major party. (Today.  In four years that may change.)

You'll vote for a candidate with that platform?  Well today's your lucky
day because there IS such a candidate.  Andre Marrou is the candidate of
the Libertarian Party and would do EXACTLY what you are looking for.  He
and Nancy Lord, his VP candidate, will be on (it appears) the ballot in
all 50 states and expect to make major gains in the election this year.

The Libertarian Party realizes that the government can't fix everybody's
problems; indeed the government IS the problem in most cases.  Check us
out.  Call (800) 682-1776 for more information.  We are growing stronger
every year.  We are the third largest party in the country.  We expect
to get well over a million votes this year.  There are a lot of people
with exactly the same sentiments as you and our time is coming.  It's
been hard to get media coverage for the very reasons you mention above
but word is starting to get out in spite of the best efforts of the
established major parties.
-- 
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From: bob.hadl@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Bob Hadley)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: JFK stuff in alt.conspiracy
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:17:52 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02190 USA


    Since its not really possible to make everyone happy with what's 
an appropriate subject for which newsgroups, it's probably easier just
to edit ye olde kill file.  I have found that looking for "JFK" or "Oswald"
gets 90% of the JFK stuff out of the way.

   --- Bob


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From: gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Physical Evidence: The Limo (JFK)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:20:07 CDT
Organization: Ham Radio Operator, Houston Tex.

dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:

> 
> Does the fact that JFK's limo was repaired & cleaned up the next day
> sound a little irregular?
> 
> It seems strange that no one blinked an eyelid about JFK's limo, at the time.

  Guess you weren't living in Dallas at the time, like I was. 
There was a very big up roar (at least locally) about the Feds 
tampering with what could only be filed (at that time) as a state 
murder case. You might also recall that there was nearly a fight 
over the removal of the body from Parkland Hospital.

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