HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hp@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Holzer)
Subject: Re: ANSI prototypes and X headers
Keywords: Can't I use them?
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:02:58 GMT

steve@asterix (steven husting) writes:
[^^^^^^^^^^^^ This address is probably not recognized except on your
local network. Could you (or your sysadmin) set up your posting
software to include the domain in your address?]

>the X headers are hopeless. For example, Xlib.h needs the XSizeHints 
>typedef, which is defined in XUtil.h, but XUtil.h needs the Bool #define,
>which is defined in ... Xlib.h. And so on. 

Use the MIT header files, they are much better than DEC's version.
-I/usr/include/mit should do the trick. Actually, I don't know why DEC
has bothered to include their own, buggy version of header files, when
the MIT files work better (or are there some pitfalls I haven't
discovered yet?).
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| __/   | hp@vmars.tuwien.ac.at                 |     Tony Rand |
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: east@spectra.com (Robert East)
Subject: Re: E-Mail system recommendations needed
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:30:10 GMT

    This is a followuP
From: thomas@lkg.dec.com (Matt Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: DECnet Phase V error messages
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:28:22 GMT
Reply-To: thomas@lkg.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <BtMwvK.48M@breeze.rsre.mod.uk>, harp@breeze.rsre.mod.uk (Andy Harp) writes:
|>We are running Ultrix V4.2A with DECnet phase V installed. We persistently
|>(every 10-15 min) receive the following message:
|>
|>
|>Backtranslation Softlink DRA:.DNA_BackTranslation.%X49.%X0001.%XAA0004007405
|>       at  : 1992-08-27-09:08:47.199+01:00Iinf
|>
|>       Reason                       = Access Violation
|>
|>with various numbers. Does anybody have any idea what these messages mean,
|>what they are complaining about, and how to fix what ever is wrong ?

Session Control (dnascd) is trying to establish a backtranslation backlink
in the DNS namespace but DNS won't due to protection problems on the directory
DRA:.DNA_BackTranslation.%X49.%X0001
--
Matt Thomas                     Internet:   thomas@lkg.dec.com
DECnet-ULTRIX Development       UUCP:       ...!decwrl!thomas
Digital Equipment Corporation   Disclaimer: This message reflects my own
Littleton, MA                               warped views, etc.
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher Samuel)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: E-Mail system recommendations needed
Summary: It's them ol' MUA holy-wars again : )
Keywords: MUSH, no Z-MAIL, no PINE, no, Columbia MM, no RAND, no MUSH..
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:58:06 GMT
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Sep2.052216.6416@panix.com> tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes:

>Another noteworthy user agent is Columbia MM, a version of the DEC-20 mail
>package that runs under just about any Unix you can think of.  Opinions vary
>widely, but I personally think it's the best I've ever used.  Particularly
>useful for new users is command completion via ESC -- makes the whole thing
>more or less explain itself.  Worth looking at, in any case.

Hmm, looks like there is a bit of a holy-war brewing here. :)

Anyway, for my two-penneth worth, we here at Aber use the RAND mail
handler, with some people still using UCB mail only for old-times sake,
and some (myself included) using both.

- Chris
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		New Language Act for Wales
From: rouilj@dl5000.bc.edu (John P. Rouillard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Exporting a file system by NFS with restricted access
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:14:55 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College


In article <1992Aug27.063051.18841@info.ucl.ac.be>
Ninane@fynu.ucl.ac.be (Alain Ninane - FYNU) writes:

>   Is there a simple way to export an Ultrix system file to different
>   machines/netgroups with different access restrictions ?
>   I'd like to have an /etc/exports file which looks like this:
>
>       /myFileSystem   -r=0    host1
>       /myFileSystem   -r=2    host2
>       /myFileSystem   -o      host3


Sigh yes, the above just don't work. The hack I use is to create N
directories which are duplicate tree's with the files hard linked
between the tree's. I have a cron script that remakes the links for
any newly created files, edited files every few minutes. This only
works for readonly/readmostly setups, otherwise the chance of
collision on files is too great, and stale NFS handles abound.

As to a simple way, the answer I got was no, and no plans to
fix/support this functionality (DEC support Dec 91 8-( ).

Yet another thing DEC didn't do right with NFS (actually mountd),
although their lockd and statd seems better than average, once you
figure out how to get it to work 8-(.

If anybody has a replacement mountd for Ultrix, I would love to hear
about it.

-- John
From: rick@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: rlogin patch to talk to SPARCs revisited.
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:35:03 GMT
Organization: Queen's University EE Department

after the recent thread on rlogin and SPARCstations (ie rlogin failing 
when trying to connect to a SPARC), i called DEC, as suggested here, and 
asked for the rlogin replacement.

i'm not sure if i've (a) got the wrong replacement or (b) done something 
stupid. sometimes the replacement works fine. sometimes it doesn't. for 
example:

thrunk> rlogin elrod
Password:
Last login: Fri Sep 11 12:52:59 on tty00
Sat Sep 12 11:39:54 EDT 1992

elrod> rlogin eleceng
socket: Permission denied
elrod>

so, for my third stupid question in recent days, Do I Have The Right 
Binary?

rp

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Department of Electrical Engineering         rick@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca
Queen's University, Kingston                     (bitnet:rick@qucdnast)
(613) 545-6772                               (rick@bill.phy.queensu.ca)
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Captain Action Figure (tm))
Subject: xwindows console/tty
Reply-To: hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Captain Action Figure (tm))
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 07:19:41 GMT

hello...

i generally use xwindows on a decstation running ultrix.  unfortunately,
the -C option for xterm, which redirects console output to a window,
does not function.  (the man page specifically says 'this is not supported
on all systems')

so, what i'm hoping for is advice/script/program/etc. on how to indicate
that console output is to go to a specific window or tty.  i'm hoping
for something non-violent, and i can't guarantee a particular name
for the window (i.e. it won't always be tty01)

thanx in advance.

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: alan@nabeth.enet.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Alan's Home for Wayward Tumbleweeds.)
Subject: Re: DEC 2100 - memory config help please...
Reply-To: alan@nabeth.enet.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Alan's Home for Wayward Tumbleweeds.)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:19:49 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.194517.12300@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, alan@nabeth.enet.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Alan's Home for Wayward Tumbleweeds.) writes:

> [ The rather mysterious combination of words... ]
>
> "larger tapes used by the kernel"

Where I actually meant to say "larger tables used by the kernel".

To illustrate and actually say something useful...

% pstat -T
 167/ 609       files
 138/ 444       gnodes
  50/ 288       processes
  36/  40/  76  active/reclaimable/total texts
 136/1843       00k swap

The tables of interest here are the file table (struct file),
the gnode table (struct gnode), the process table (struct proc)
and the text table (struct text).  It so happens that the sizes
of these data structure are:

File:  56
Gnode: 228
Proc:  312
Text:  48

The result of the math is that these tables use 228,840 bytes
of kernel space.  Not very much compared to some systems that
are expected to support hundreds of users, but still an interesting
part of the 3-4 MB used by the loaded kernel.

Note: Example used here was taken from a DECstation 5000/200
running ULTRIX V4.2.
--
Alan Rollow				alan@nabeth.cxo.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: sendmail implementations
From: mccalld@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:20:21 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Greetings:
   running ultrix 4.2 on a uVAXII.....problem with the daemon version
of sendmail vs the inetd.conf version......tried to put sendmail into
inetd.conf to run as telnet and ftp do ( ie when called upon )....but
internet mail stopped working.....?
what's the problem here?

the rc.local entry was sendmail -db -q1h -om &

here internet mail worked



the inetd.conf entry  was smtp stream  tcp nowait /usr/lib/sendmail -om
and my crontab entry was 0,15,30,45 * * * * /usr/lib/sendmail -q

here it didn't

I'm stumpted, or just lost.
dmc
thanks ahead of time
From: sasha@uflash.UUCP (Alexander Shugayev)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Correct acucap for Trailblazer modem
Summary: I have one !
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:08:41 GMT
Organization: cfX inc., NYC.

In article <1992Sep9.203232.8105@sal.wisc.edu>, cathy@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Cathy Accettura) writes:
> 
> Does anyone have a acucap that works.  It might be useful
> to send me a list of trailblazer modem settings also.

Although I use terminal server for dialing out, the acucap entry for traiblazer
I have should work ... If not - you asked for it anyway :)

telebit|tbauto|trailblazer-auto|Telebit Trailblazer in auto mode S50=0:\
       :hu:ls:re:si:ss=\r\d:sr=OK:sd#250000:di=DT:dt=\r:\
       :dd#50000:fd#50:rs=,:os=CONNECT:ds=\d\r:ab=\r:

	Good luck!
                      Alexander Shugayev 
                           sasha@cfx.com
                      uunet!uflash!sasha

Xref: sparky comp.unix.ultrix:6944 comp.lang.perl:5966
From: ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.lang.perl
Subject: Re: 'less' as man pager
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:54:33 GMT
	<1992Sep15.193317.20255@aa.cad.slb.com>
	<JCV26.92Sep15182049@jcv26aws.cas.org>
Reply-To: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Followup-To: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: 3WA, Boston Office. Or Nu Meta Chi. Take your pick.
In-reply-to: jcv26@cas.org's message of 15 Sep 92 23:20:49 GMT
X-Get-A-Clue: Have two, they're small.
X-Signature-Virus-Protection: Version 1.51
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.14.1 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> "JVH" == Jon Vander Hill <jcv26@cas.org> writes:

JVH> I believe many man's (many men?) will use a $PAGER variable
JVH> if it's defined which can be set to "less".  Personally, I don't
JVH> like making symlinks to circumvent my PATH if I can avoid it.

Sun's "man" understands PAGER and MANPATH, as does Tom Christiansen's
excellent man written in perl. Bugtrix's doen't use either (stupid,
drain-bamaged Bugtrix).

--Rat

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell
From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum)
Subject: Re: echo on Ultrix4.2
Keywords: echo ultrix
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:00:50 GMT

>I have ultrix4.2 on DECstation 3100.
>It looks like my "echo" command doesn't
>understand escape characters:
>
>$ echo "\n\nHi\tthere"

	ULTRIX doesn't have a system-V style echo.

	You can get this behavior by running your script under sh5; the
builtin echo understands escapes.

mjr.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: SCSI/CAM problems
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:16:59 GMT

robm@ataraxia.Berkeley.EDU (Rob McNicholas) writes:

}I've recently installed the Open SCSI/CAM software on my DECstation,
}and I'm suddenly having some inexplicable (by me) problems with my
}tape drives.  Here's the scenario:
...
}We now seem to get an inordinate number of CAM errors occurring
}randomly during dumps, as well as reproducible errors from certain
}utilities.  Attached at then end of this message is sample output from
}uerf and cam_report.

}Anyone having similar experiences?  Anyone have any suggestions?
 Yes, yes, yes!                      No (sorry).

We upgraded our central NFS servers from 5000/200s to 5000/240s
and since we had to upgrade from 4.2, we installed the SCSI/CAM
at the same time.  Our machines have 2 or 3 SCSI boards, 8-12 RZ57s,
and a TLZ04 each (the DEC support guy said he thought the other
problem report he had on this also was a multi-SCSI machine).

What happens is we start getting *tons* of:
   XPT Packet Pool HIGH Water Mark Reached.
   cam_logger: CAM_ERROR packet
   cam_logger: No associated bus target lun
messages on the console and also (in the two times I have seen it happen)
the dreaded "cant get mbufs" message also appears.  It seems to be somehow
related to uptime (memory leak?) and load (so, of course, today, with a
machine which hung last night and being the Friday before a long weekend,
we had neither and I couldn't reproduce it for DEC *sigh*).

We noticed this because we started getting more and more complaints about
I/O to the NFS servers slowing down more and more.  So I ran the "iozone"
benchmark around 2pm and got horrid numbers, later in the afternoon they
were even lower, after dinner I decided to run it directly on the server
(thinking we had some sort of NFS problem at first).  I happened to login
on the console to do this and the CAM errors just cam pouring out and then
they stopped (little grey button time).

}If I decide to back out on this "upgrade", will I have to reinstall
}the 4.2A kernel config files?  (I'd hate to have to do that since I've
}since installed a bunch of patches.)

I was told that backing out of SCSI/CAM was NOT as simple as
just "setld -d ..."  If we can't get a fix by next week we are
resigned to going backwards to 4.2a.

John
-- 
John Hascall                                       ``Live with it pink-boy!''
Project Vincent                                                              
Iowa State University Computation Center                     john@iastate.edu
Ames, IA  50011                                      515/294-9551 [fax -1717]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: vannes@srzts304.alcatel.ch (Tom van Nes)
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.2 rlogin somewhat broken
Organization: Alcatel STR AG Switzerland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:24:49 GMT

In article <cole.716523393@cs.wisc.edu> cole@dip.cs.wisc.edu (Bruce Cole) writes:
>...
>Shame on DEC for never having properly fixed this bug after all this time.
>Good thing we have kernel source.
>
Why recompile the kernel? get BSD rlogin source. I managed to
port rlogin. The rlogin works fine if you are root, but if you
are a normal user you get the message:
   socket: permission denied
After a days work i finally opened a call to DEC to see what
they're gonna say..

I'll keep ye informed.




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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: reeves@aosg.gsf.dec.com (jon reeves)
Subject: Re: debugging processes on 5000/133/240
Reply-To: reeves@aosg.gsf.dec.com
Organization: AOSG
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:10:10 GMT

In article <20277@plains.NoDak.edu>, grosen@isc.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (Johannes Grosen) writes:
...is looking for arbitrary process attach.

Sorry, but the ULTRIX kernel currently lacks the mechanism needed by dbx/gdb
to do this.
-- 
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		5 Wentworth Drive, MS GSF1-1K13, Hudson NH 03051-4929 USA
+1 603 884 5859	reeves@aosg.gsf.dec.com		FAX: +1 603 884 1685
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: rlogin patch to talk to SPARCs revisited.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.123503.1@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca> rick@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca writes:
>after the recent thread on rlogin and SPARCstations (ie rlogin failing 
>when trying to connect to a SPARC), i called DEC, as suggested here, and 
>asked for the rlogin replacement.
>
>i'm not sure if i've (a) got the wrong replacement or (b) done something 
>stupid. sometimes the replacement works fine. sometimes it doesn't. for 
>example:

Here's an ls -lg and a sum of the one we have:

draco% ls -lg /usr/ucb/rlogin
-rwsr-xr-x  1 root     system     201808 Dec 21  1991 /usr/ucb/rlogin*
draco% sum /usr/ucb/rlogin
28706   198



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University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.os.vms
From: senetza@sigma.uleth.ca (Len Senetza)
Subject: Mixing Ultrix and VMS Queues on LAT
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date:  8 Sep 92 20:40:45 GMT

Has anyone done this?  We are going to setup a VMS queue via reverse
LAT.  We would also like to have a DECstation printing to it.  

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From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Problem mounting Infoserver disks
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:02:59 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Hi,

We've got an Infoserver 150 with a CD-ROM drive inside it. We want to be able to
put CONDIST CDs online. Obviously, VAX CDs have to be available to VAX users,
and Ultrix CDs to Ultrix users.

There is no problem in mounting the VAX CDs so that they are visible on the
VAX. What I need to be able to do is mount the Ultrix CDs so that they are
visible on our Ultrix system, and at present I have absolutely no idea of how to
do this.

Can anybody help?

Thanks,

Dave

-- 

David Hastings                      | "Imposition of order=escalation of chaos"
VAX Systems Programmer              |                     
Oxford University Computing Services| "Just when you think you've won the 
daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk              |        rat race, along come faster rats"
               
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: oneill@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian 'Doc' O'Neill)
Subject: Slow performance with TK70 and dump
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:12:09 GMT

I am experiencing rather slow performance when I dump to ta TK70. The system
is a VAX 6520 running Ultrix 4.2, and I am dumping from RA90/RA92 drives to
a TK70, all connected through the XMI bus.

I am seeing what I percieve to be rather poor performance for the dump. It
took about an hour and a half to dump 400Mb. This doesn't seem right...

The parameters used are

	dump 0dsf 20000 10000

The numbers are just off-the-wall numbers...could this result in poor
performance?

=======================================================================
Brian O'Neill - Systems Manager, Computer Science 	 (508) 934-3645
University of Massachusetts at Lowell
Internet: oneill@ulowell.edu		Moderator, comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: avolio@dco.dec.com (Frederick M. Avolio)
Subject: Re: mwm problems
Originator: avolio@gildor.dco.dec.com
Reply-To: avolio@dco.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:41:02 GMT


The original poster should tell us what focus values are set for Mwm.  This
is probably why I and others don't see this behavior and others do... there
are sooo many choices.

f
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: :permission denied?
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:51:11 GMT

pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
>     /dev/ttyp2: permission denied

Do you have anything that writes to ttyp2 in your /.cshrc (assuming root's
shell is some incarnation of csh)?

--
Eiji Hirai <hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu>    :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Unix Hacker for Swarthmore College      :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Information Services, Swarthmore, PA, USA.      Copyright 1992 by Eiji Hirai.
I don't speak for Swarthmore College.                    All Rights Reserved.

Xref: sparky comp.unix.ultrix:6912 comp.sys.dec:4994
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: talk: how to fix - "[Checking for invitation...]"?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:50:42 GMT

In article <BuMH54.BLr@grebyn.com> karl@grebyn.com (Karl A. Nyberg) writes:
>I have several vaxes running Ultrix (4.0 & 4.2) that can talk together
>just fine between themselves.  However they can't talk to other machines
>on the network (locally a Sun4, or remotely also a Sun4, I think).  I get
>the "[Checking for invitation...]" message when running talk.  When running
>"otalk", the second machine will get a message from the Talk_Daemon requesting 
>a connection, but the talk itself will fail with:
>
>Unable to connect with initiator : 
>	Address family not supported by protocol family (47)]
>
>How do I fix that?  (I'm presuming it's a problem on the VAX/Ultrix side,
>since the Suns will gladly talk between themselves).

Sun, in their infinite wisdom, still distributes the old talk software on
their systems.  That talk does not work correctly when the two systems
trying to talk have different byte orders.  The talk on Ultrix uses the
newer protocol that deals with this situation correctly.

Your best bet is to get a copy of the 4.3bsd talk/talkd and run it on your
Suns, and complain to Sun that they need to move to the newer release
of talk.


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
Office of Academic Computing         uucp:        ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias
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