Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:49:12 MST
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In article <1992Dec14.003659.22092@microsoft.com>, johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
> In article ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
> |   Slavery as I stated "to my understanding" was very brutal in the U.S.
> |   Most of my information is based on readings from the past, documentaries, and 
> |   word of mouth from relatives.  One need only look at the current situation of
> |   the black race in U.S. to be convinced slavery in this nation was and is
> |   brutal.  I speak from experience.  
> |   In other systems of slavery slaves were allowed to work off thier debt to 
> |   thier masters.  If a slave was killed curses fell upon the nation. 
> |   Source "The Bible."  In the U.S. slaves couldn't work or buy thier way out of
> |   slavery.  I haven't studied slavery in other nations but aren't
> |   the slaves in these other nations of the same race and not imported. 
> 
> You can't defend 'more brutal' if you haven't studied slavery in other
> nations.  The slaves of Jamaica, Haiti, and so forth were imported
> from africa -- and in far larger numbers than here.  As far as the
> current situation of blacks in the US as an indication of how bad
> slavery was, would you rather be from the US, from Haiti, or from
> Uganda?  Blacks may be second class citizens here, but there isn't
> a country where they have it better.

  Oh that's a good reason for blacks to put up with the mess in the U.S. that 
  we put up with because if we lived in Haiti things would be worse.  The
  point is we don't live in Haiti and this nation has legislated documents
  indicating that we are free people in this nation.  I would respect the U.S.
  more if they stated that they were a bigoted slave nation straight out, that
  way we would not be decieved.  I want the same rights and opportunities that
  every other U.S. citizen is entitled to in this system.  In addition, the
  wealth and success of this nation may indicate how good of slaves the blacks
  were in the U.S. so pay up buddy, or go to haiti and jamaica!!! 
> 
> In some systems you could buy your way out, but I don't think
> that was typical at all.  The bible doesn't begin to cover the 
> different slave societies that have existed.
> 
> | > Remember that any response must account for the fact that only about
> | > 5% (500,000) of the 10,000,000+ africans taken from africa arrived 
> | > in territories which later became the US.  However, the US wound up
> | > with the largest slave society in the new world due to much higher...
> | >DELETED INFO.
> | 
> |   More like 900,000 in the 16th. century and 2,750,000 in the 17th.  Source:
> | Slavery a comparative perspective by Robin W. Winks. 
> | This is a conservative figure based on other more reliable documents I have
> | read in the past.
> 
> More reliable than bill of sale records and the census?
> My figures are from "Slavery: History and Historians" by ?Pareesh.
>
  I guess the truth has yet to be revealed since both of our quotes vary so 
  widely.  I take into consideration who has and is controlling american
  history and based on what I have experienced, with respect to lies, the
  man is a liar.

> Also note that slaves weren't hitting US shores *at all* in the 16th
> century.  I have a feeling you are wrapping all of North/Central/
> South America in your estimates -- not restricting it to lands
> later controlled by the US.  
> 
> | > Castration occured, but doesn't seem to be as common as the
> | > Enuch practices of asia.  America was hardly known for human
> | > sacrifice or canibalism, both of which occured in various other
> | > slave societies.
> | > 
> |   Again what was the purpose for the castration in these asian countries was it
> | thier culture.  In the U.S. it was certainly used as punishment and birth
> | control.  Sounds brutal to me.  
> 
> Yes, it was brutal.  Less of it here than elsewhere.
> I doubt it was used for birth control here.
> 
> 
> -- 

  What nations, and for how long?  Example please!!!  Enlighten me.

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