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From: mcoulter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Alias)
Subject: Herpes I/II
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:52:28 GMT


I have yet another question concerning both Herpies I and II.  There is someone
in the household with both, and has sores.  I am concerned that I will catch
the disease.  It this possible?

What is the route of contagion?  Should I sterilize all the glassware and
be careful about which towels I use?  

The person has Herpies II on their mouth and it is active.

I really do not wish to catch it.  I am also concerned for other people living
here. We have not told everyone in the house that the person has it.

Should we?  Is it easily tranferred with casual contact (towels, glasses, etc)

Any input would be appreciated.
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:21:02 GMT
	<1992Oct5.150000.14535@genie.slhs.udel.edu> <16825@pitt.UUCP>
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

In article <16825@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:

   That's true.  The migraine patient does not want *any* stimulation
   and withdraws to a dark, quiet, alone place to try to sleep.
   This behavior is strikingly different from cluster headache
   patients (an even worse type of vascular headache).  The cluster
   patient can not lie still and gets up and paces the floor incessantly.
   Cluster patients may even commit suicide from the pain.

Believe it.  I came very close once or twice.

One of the least favorite memories in my collection is going home from
work with a cluster headache when my car was in the shop.  I could NOT
sit still, and was pacing, writhing, and hitting my knee all the time
I was on the subway.  I truly believe that they were about to call the
cops on me.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:39:49 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1av3shINN1u7@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>Is a headache likely to be related to migraines if it is exacerbated 
>by any increase in blood pressure?
>
>All of my headaches, minor or terrible, keep me from being able to 
>exercise. Just walking up a flight of stairs makes the pounding 
>unbearable, where it may have been almost reasonable before. I was 
>assuming they were tension headaches.

This could certainly happen with migraines, but isn't diagnostic
of them in itself.







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From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: My wife drank during her pregnancy and the baby lived!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:33:25 -0700
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Malaspina College

Yes, well, there were women who took thalidomide while they were pregnant
and their babies lived too - many of them were even "normal"!  What does
that mean?!
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Bernie Siegel & Cancer
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:23:40 GMT

In <13189@peplinsk> murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy) writes:

>I think the subject line says it all.  Is anyone familiar with Dr.
>Siegel's works and what is the consensus on his approach to cancer
>treatment &c.  Should I be concerned if a friend abandons cancer
>treatment to embrace his approach and just what is his approach?

	If your friend has tried the standard approaches and has not
been cured, he may try anything he likes.  It's his life after all.
My father, for example, went through two years of chemotherapy with
only a slowing of the cancer spread, no remission.  He tried the
alternative approaches for six months, and had only a faster
spreading of the cancer as a result.  The next three and a half years
were spent under experimental chemotherapy treatment, but the cancer
was in the bones, liver, and blood.  It started as kidney cancer, BTW.

	He died thirteen years ago in his sixth year of treatment.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Examining hands during a physical
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:37:30 GMT

werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes:

| the first thing she did was ask me to hold out my hands so she could look
| at the palms and backs of them.  When I remembered this later, it struck me
| as kind of odd;

Cuts on the back of the fingers near the main knuckles can be a
sign of bulemia, with the cuts caused by the teeth from repeatedly
putting the fingers down the throat to induce vomiting.
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Welcome to Sci.med -- where-school-of-thought bashing is as old as
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From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Re: Peroxide and the bubbling reaction?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:26:40 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <Bw0vp7.n2J@unix.amherst.edu> akcobb@unix.amherst.edu (acapella) writes:
>Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com) wrote:
>
>Recently I had to get stiches for a large cut on my arm.  I told
>the ER doctor that I had put both H2O2 and Betadine (an iodine
>solution) on the wound in an effort to keep it clean, and he said
>that actually I shouldn't have done that.  No great harm done, but
>he said that people are beginning to be discouraged from pouring
>either of those directly on cuts--apparently they kill the cells
>as well as the germs and cause slower healing.
>
>He said it was fine to apply either to the surrounding skin, to
>minimize chances of infection, and if H2O2 or iodine are really
>necessary, dilute them with water 1:12.
>
>I was pretty surprised at this information.
>
>
>Am
Wow!  I guess one lives and learns.

If someone composes a list of things that used to be either good for
you (e.g., sunlight, red meat, milk, oat bran) or had little effect on you
AND has now found to be  be either somewhat harmful or worthless, the list would
be very long.


-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sumatriptan
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:05:57 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Oct8.155854.17169@polaris.utu.fi>, eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.195659.1533@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:
>>
>>Do you have any impression about sumatriptan's efficacy and side
>>effect profile in comparison to dihydroergotamine, which is in
>>wide use here and quite a bit less expensive?  Is the inhalable
>>form of DHE available there?
> 
> As it happens, there is a poster here at Neuroscience Finland '92 conference
> that I read just this afternoon on the efficacy of intranasal sumatriptan
> on migraine attacks. It appears that two 20 mg doses given 15 mins apart
> relieved 53% (n=37/group) of the patients entirely of pain within 120
> mins, compared to 11% of the placebo-treated patients (p<.001). Major adverse
> effect was disturbance of taste, reported by 38% of the patients. Other
> side effects included dizziness, sedation, nausea and hypertension reported
> by 5% or less each. No clinically relevant adverse effects were observed.
> 
> The results were similar to those achieved with 6 mg s.c. and 100 mg per os.
> However, patients seem to prefer intranasal treatment due to the GI-symptoms
> involved with per os sumatriptan and the general discomfort of injections.
> 
> As for comparison with dihydroergotamine, I haven't seen one yet, but the 
> general side-effect profile of sumatriptan seems to be better that that
> of ergotamine. Also, I haven't heard of inhalable dihydroergotamine, but
> then again I'm not an expert.
> 
> /ep
> 
> 

Thanks.  That's very helpful.  Intranasal DHE keeps being about to
be released here, and looks good in trials.  I think in fact the
efficacy was a little better than what you report for sumatriptan.
Our Food and Drug Administration moves very cautiously, some would
say over-cautiously, in approving new drugs.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Bladder infection - pains
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:12:34 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct6.130713.154@physc1.byu.edu> smithw@physc1.byu.edu writes:
>A collegue visiting from France is staying at my home for the
>next few weeks and is having some medical problems.  Since he
>is reluctant to seek medical help right now, I thought I would
>ask about his problems here.  Apparently about a month or so
>ago, he noticed that his urine was malordorous.  He finally went 
>to see a physician just before leaving and it was determined
>that he had some kind of urinary tract infection.  He started
>taking medication which as best as I can determine is some kind
>of combination sulfa drug.  The drug was prescribed for 10 days
>and he arrived here on day  2  of taking the medication.
>Its now day  4  of his medication cycle and he says the symptoms
>have decreased in some respects but on the second day he began
>to find it rather more painful to urinate, although the more
>or less constant discomfort he had been experiencing decreased.
>He has no fever and its my guess he has some prostate inflamation
>related to the infection or the drug??
>Then today, he said he woke up early (3 a.m.) with stomach pains
>which he says he recognized as typical of his ulcer pain which ulcer
>has recurred from time to time over the past 6 or 7 years it seems.
>He's poping  Rolaids or something now to control this pain (which
>they seem to do).   Anyhow, if anyone wants to take a crack at
>advising him on whether he is in serious trouble, please post or
>reply to  bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu.

He could be in serious trouble.  He needs a good internist.
Urinary infection in a male needs investigation unless the
cause is known.  Antacids alone are not the best way to
control ulcer disease.  You really ought to take him in.
Utah Valley Hospital is a pretty decent hospital there.
I would suggest you try there.
















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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:32:15 GMT


I don't get migraines the way I used to some years back.  In those
days I used to take cafergot and stemetil, as I recall.  What is the
current treatment for migraines? 

What works for sinus headaches?

Incidentally a colleague and I were flying locally on business
recently.  As the plane descended he got the most excruciating pain
behind one eye.  He thought he was having a stroke.  It kind of
clubbed him for the rest of the day.  I got one very painful ear (I
had a cold anyway).

It seems the airline we flew descends rapidly to make up time and his
doctor said it was sinus pain cause by the rapid depressurising of the cabin.
  He had the same problem returning home the next day.
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| The floggings will continue until morale improves
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Cystic Fibrosis Research?
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:14:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct16.161418.14385
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct16.020824.1792@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
>There have been some incredible breakthroughs in CF this year.
>A medication commonly used for an unrelated condition (somebody
>help me out -- I'm blocking on the name here) is quite halpful
>for symptomatic treatment,

I think you're thinking of nebulized solutions of DNAase, an enzyme
which simply digests free DNA, a molecule which is long and tangly and
hence viscous, and which is a common component of the mucus and other
crud which tends to form and collect in the lungs of CF patients due to
their underlying condition.  It's roughly the same idea as the use of
acetylcysteine, except that acetylcysteine works mainly to liquefy
mucoproteins.  I'll bet DNAase smells better (it is said that
acetylcysteine has an unbearably vile odor, one reason it is such a
trial to have to inhale a solution of it.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Using the net for Curbside Consults
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:47:15 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <viking.718921080@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu writes:

> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> 
> >The idea of physicians' using the net for curbside consults makes me just
> >a tad nervous.  I mean, if my doc consults with someone (formally or
[...]
> >Wouldn't net.consults just provide a ready forum for such wannabee's, with no
> >credential verification at all?
> 
> 	Since there is no credential verification anyway, I don't see a
> problem.  If you blindly follow advice on here, you take your chances.

> 	Advice is what you get here.  What you do with it is up to you.

Oops. We seem to be talking past each other here.  I wasn't asking about the
advisability of taking advice from sci.med (indeed, I'd just as soon see all
the advice requests outta here).  I was responding to David Nye's suggestion
that the net might be useful to physicians for "curbside consults."

Probably I should have written a different Subject Header.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Flame wars on sci.med
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:43:18 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
> My only concern about this is that it may appear that we approve of
> some alt.med-type post if we say nothing about it.  How is someone
> looking here for help to suspect that the advice is flakey?  There
> should be some way we can flag such a post without being drawn into
> a holy war.  Perhaps something like "Readers should know that the
> information in the above posting is inconsistent with conventional
> scientific medicine".  If the initial poster fires back, we can
> ignore subsequent postings and avoid being drawn into the flame
> that way.

Sounds like an admirable solution.  I second the motion!

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Xref: sparky sci.med:18801 news.groups:18920
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: sci.med,news.groups
Subject: Re: Starting an alternative medicine newsgroup
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:02:40 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>In article <16754@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>on the net?  Quacks could reign there with no counter.
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	      Good point.

What's good about it?

Why do some posters feel an uncontrollable compulsion to counter everything
they disagree with.  If it _is_ controllable, it very rarely gets
controlled.

This is exactly what's wrong with sci.med at the moment.  Not that the
fringe posts their views, but that they're then hounded in umpteen
followups.  This would be bad enough, but they're more often derisive
personal attacks than informed counters.

I wince when I see postings like the recent anti-ritalin ADD one.  Not
because of the poster's questionable logic, but in the certain knowledge
that the group is going to be subjected to the usual followups of nasty
invective.  All that zero-content stuff has to be waded through to find the
really informative posts, ruining the mood once again.

Does Gordon really believe that his science is on such shaky ground that
there will be dire consequencies if no-one rushes to its defence every time
someone states a counter opinion?  I think he does his profession an
injustice in more ways than one.

Thanks, but I can usually make up my own mind what is bogus without any
"expert" counter, let alone the poster being derided and put down.

We don't need another group, it will neither keep the fringe posters out of
sci.med nor will it stop them being attacked for their beliefs.

[Note that this discussion is not part of an official RFD, so far it has
not been announced in news.announce.newgroups, so we're delaying getting to
a vote]
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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Are there any virtuous viruses?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:32:09 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: virus disease
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Oct15.144241.19868@cbnews.cb.att.com>, jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) writes:
|> 
|> 	Yet another wonderful virus has attacked my nasal passages probably
|> thanks to my children. I have been trying to recall what I know or have
|> heard about viruses in general. As far as I'm concerned I feel that
|> genocide is the appropriate treatment for all viruses everywhere. But
|> before I do that, I thought I should ask to see if there are any "useful"
|> viruses. 

Far be it from me to interfere with your superhuman powers, but how can you commit genocide on something which is not even quite exactly alive?

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Newsgroups: sci.med,rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets
Subject: Obsessive-compulsive disorder
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:46:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: frcs.1992Oct7.214616.25985
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria

I'm currently treating a puppy with a condition which seems to
parallel obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in humans. It presents in
the form of compulsive tail-chasing, to the point where he has worn
out his paw pads just from turning in circles all the time. He barks
at his tail while chasing it, but rarely actually catches or bites
it, though he snaps at it in mid-air. He seems to lie quietly in his
cage much of the time, though he does tail-chase while unobserved; but
he invariably starts doing it immediately he is aware of having
someone watching him. I don't know if this is fear or
attention-seeking.

He's currently on clomipramine, which is supposed to help humans with
OCD (so far not helping). I was wondering about other approaches,
though, possibly behavioural rather than medical. Does anyone have any
info on OCD - in particular the current line on suspected causes in
humans, and the kind of approach a therapist would use in a human with
the problem? 

Thanks
Linda
 
       
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Violence Epidemiologists vs the Gun Lobby
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:41:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

There was a very interesting article in Science
(Oct 9 issue) about the fledgling science of violence
epidemiology. These articles discuss the recent (starting
1983) interest in the etiology of violence in the U.S.
by the Centers for Disease Control, including investigating
the concept of violence as an epidemic and firearms as
the etiologic agent.

I had mixed feelings while reading this article. On the
one hand I was highly encouraged by the newfound courage of
a very small, select group of government scientists to
investigate this highly contentious matter. On the other
hand, it was frighteningly apparent that this branch of
CDC can be crushed in an instant by the gun lobby, at least
at this very delicate stage of its existance.

Among the myths that these articles lay to rest is the
notion that the causes of violence are a non-medical
(or strictly political) concern.

Some choice tidbits from reviews of the medical literature:

"...when women killed with a gun, 'the victim was five times
more likely to be their spouse, an intimate acquaintance,
or a member of their family than to be a stranger or a
person of undetermined relationship' ".

"There is, it seems, an almost five-fold increase in the
risk of suicide for those living in homes where guns are
kept."

My congratulations to Science for having the courage to publish
this article. They will catch flak, but I think they can
take it!

Brian


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: acne treatment?
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:34:49 GMT

kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:

| Hi. I had very bad acne for years [ ... ]
| (Retin-A made it even worse)

It is normal for Retin-A to make acne worse before it makes it better.
The same is also true for Accutane.  I've heard people going thru the
transition period say it's like having every zit you ever had erupt
back up out of your skin like a "Night of the Living Dead" movie, tho
the actual mechanism is undoubtedly more scientific than that.

If a patient isn't expecting this, he or she might give up before the
treatment can succeed.  Typically this takes several months.

== Bob Yazz ==
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Medical Felowship Wanted
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:44:09 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <Bvs17q.I8x@news.fai.com> luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos) writes:
>
>My cousin, a US Resident who comes from South America, is a medical resident
>in a hospital in  Chicago ILL. He was not able to secure a fellowship
>anywhere. This is worrying  him a lot since he has recently married with 
>many hopes of being able to practice medicine somewhere in the USA for a
>few years before going to South America.
>
>His difficulty comes as a surprise to me, I thought there was a tremendous
>shortage of MDs who can communicate in Spanish and English as 

Did he look for a fellowship in something like geriatrics or
community medicine, or was he looking for a high-paying specialty
such as cardiology or plastic surgery?  I think the language
ability would count for much more in one of the low paying specialities
that serves poor hispanics.  ALso, you don't need a subspecialty
to practice.  If he has a license, why not go out and deliver primary
care to the people who need it?  There is no need for more specialist
anyhow.


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