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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:23:18 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Summary of Law and Order films

>
>        Also, the Henry Fonda movie is "Inherit the Wind" and the Susan
>Hayward movie is "I Want to Live."  You can add these to the list if you
>haven't already.
>
>Thanks!
>Ellen

 I thought Inherit the Wind starred Spencer Tracy and Fredick March as
the two lawyers (Gene Kelly plays a reported, and Dick York is the
defendant).  Were there two versions of this movie?

 --Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 12:39:35 EDT
From:         GEORGE RAISER <ST402234@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers

Three that might be included (depending on how narrow the category is):
    Alien
    Flatliners
    Back to the Future
Also, I didn't recognize the title on your list, but wasn't there a
very recent movie on the effort to find the source of the Nile.  It may
have been accurate, but it was quite violent and sometimes very
depressing.  I don't remember the title, though.
---George
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:12:39 -0300
From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA>
Subject: Re: Trust
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YES!!!  A great movie -- really quirky and, to be honest, I still am not
sure why I liked it.  I got the feeling that the characters had been intro'd
to us in a previous Hal Hartley movie (based on my reading of the back of
the video box).  Can anyone confirm this?  Sorry, but I can't remember the
name of the other Hartley movie.

Don
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:12:02 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      law in the movies

Pink Floyd the Wall

Good morning the worm your honor.....
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:53:44 MDT
From:         cmurrell@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
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              92 1:40 pm

Charles - I believe the film you want is Cartesius (1973).  It
was part of Rossellini's biography series for RAI, featured Ugo
Cardea as Descartes, and ran 150 minutes.  For more information,
you might want to consult Roberto Rossellini : a guide to
references and resources / by Patrizio Rossi, G.K. Hall & Co.,
1988.  It contains a lengthy synopsis, complete credits, and
citations to reviews.

Cindy Murrell
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:25:00 CDT
From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Summary of Law and Order films

        I have changed FLIGHT OF THE NAVIGATOR to FLIGHT
OF THE INTRUDER on my list.  Thanks.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:41:00 CDT
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      end credits cut
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Just watched TRUE LOVE taped off TV last week. I think it was on WGN-TV in
Chicago but may be wrong. Their practice is to cut into the end credits
with a little picture of their news team annoucing the big stories. Whoever
engineered this disaster cut in on the running jokes about the wedding
video interview and the film's final joke involving two children. Then they
allowed the song credits to roll unhindered. Besides blasting the stupidity
of the station, I also want to ask if anyone can tell me what the kids said?

Thanks,

Carol
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Sep-1992 04:23pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: Plebian Escapism...

Adrian:

I prefer comedies for entertainment.  Try:

The Wrong Box - Dudly Moore and Peter Cook
Bedazzled       Also Dudley Moore and Peter Cook - both of these are very funny
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
The Producers
Some Like It Hot

If you watch these, I'd be interested to know what you think of them.
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Sep-1992 11:43am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Peter:

That is an interesting observation - about seeing the devastation in your own
livingroom.  I never really thought of it that way.  Maybe that's why the
Vietnam war was so controversial and heartbreaking - all those people dying
every night on the 6 o'clock news.  It had a tremendous effect on me.

Ellen
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From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Law in Movies

Ellen,
   I have spent the last couple of hours with your post sitting just at the
back of my subconscious...or is that my conscious?   I finally remembered!
It was Loeb and Leopold who murdered the little boy.  Is that the name of
the movie as well?

> Another one directed by Orson Welles -  it was about a very famous trial -two
> college students murdered this little boy, just to prove they could get away
> with it     - a true story.  The title was the last names of the two
> murderers, Dreyfus maybe?

>*I apologize for not being able to remember the titles of these movies.  They
>say memory is the second thing to go.  I can't remember whatthe first is. :)
  And I can identify with that!   At least I vaguely remember that I can...
                      Joan
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:14:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: The law in movies
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Doesn't THE RULING CLASS, starring Peter O'Toole have a courtroom scene?
Actually, after looking over the list of movies with legal themes maybe
the list of films without legal themes would be shorter.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:24:00 EST
From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
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Don:

Thanks for the suggestions.  Of the three you mentioned, I've only seen
The Holy Grail and it has been some time since I last saw it.  I've
heard great things about both Heathers and White Men Can't Jump.  However,
I've also heard some not so nice things about WMCJ.  I think I'll ignore
the bad things and go for it!  Thanks again!

Adrian
Clemson
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:56:50 EST
From:         mark beals <ITNR500@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Follow-up to ....Question
              4 Sep 1992 01:45:59 GMT from <seawoocl@NEXTWORK.RO SE-HULMAN.EDU>

As a huge fan of the first Gremlins, I was so disgusted with the second
one that I almost walked out.  If it didn't have Spielberg's name on it,
I probably would have.  Anyway, I was told that since the humor of the Hulk
Hogan scene was suited to an audience in a theater, it would not quite work
watching it on video, so they changed it to something with John Wayne making
a remark (sorry, I don't know the specifics because I refuse to watch it
again).  Thats the story I heard.
                                 --q
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:05:42 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Bette Davis movies

I think the Bette movie _Three Faces of..._ is really _All About Eve_.
Jeff Clark
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:31:00 CDT
From:         Jan Levine Thal / JHR / 262-4867 <THAL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Trust

Hal Hartley made another wonderful quirky movie called the Unbelievable Truth
also starring Adrienne Shelley.  The characters are different, but just as
funny.  I think he also premiered a third movie at Cannes.
Jan LT
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:09:20 -0400
From:         K_REAGAN@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Truly, Madly, Deeply
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truly madly deeply loved it... the scene at the end with all the ghosts
 looking out the window at the blooming romance was as wonderful as
anything I've seen in film.
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: INVASION OF B. SNATCHERS (Scope?)
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 11:18:10 EDT

In article <01GOA2Y8WHSA8WX06G@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET writes:
 
>
>Good point about Lang's _Moonfleet_, I'd forgotten he'd made that one.
>Also interesting point about the application of Superscope, though I've been
>a bit confused on this process.  The "comparison" Voyager Co. includes with
>their Criterion edition _Invasion of the Body Snatchers_, seems to indicate a
>genuine difference in the width of the picture, not just whether or not the
>top and bottom have been masked.  Any further thoughts would be appreciated.
 
I am very glad you mentioned this.  The Voyager disc of INVASION OF BODY
SNATCHERS is absolutely incorrect.  They tried to show the difference between
Scope and a panned and scanned print and got it all wrong by using the wrong
example.  The facts about INVASION are: the film was composed in both the
standard ratio and for wide screen, so that the top and bottom could be masked
off and then made into a Scope (Anamorphic) print -- i.e. Superscope.  In the
Voyager example, they cut off the sides -- there is no such print of INVASION
OF THE BODY SNATCHERS -- they created a completely spurious example.  Others
who know this film have confirmed my point.  If you look at the standard video
of the film, you will see more picture at top and bottom than in the letter-
boxed disc -- not less at the sides.  --M. Kerbel
 
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:26:52 -0400
From:         K_REAGAN@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      Re: The law in movies
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What's up doc? from the mid-70's.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: BASIC INSTINCT
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:55:27 GMT

In article <Pine.2.4.54.9208271840.A7572@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU> writes:
>I did expect to laugh, remembering some metioning its campy moments.  Yes,
>it was campy, but it was also better than I expected.

That was more or less the way I saw it, as camp.   I basically enjoyed
the film, and certainly think it is better than what the critics said,
who basically felt it their duty to pan it.

Jeff
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: LADY IN THE LAKE
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 12:55:35 EDT

In article <9209021537.AA11486@eeiuc>
John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE> writes:
>
>Does anybody know the director of the film 'Lady in the Lake'.
>It's based on a short story of the same name by Raymond Chandler
>and I think it was released in 1948 (b/w). An unusual feature
>of the movie was that the audience saw everything through the
>eyes of the main character(i.e. the camera). The only time the
>audience saw this character's face was when he stood in front of
>a mirror. The audience is presented with no more information
>than the P.I.(the main character) trying to solve a murder.
>I don't know if it's available on video, but if it is, it's
>well worth watching.
>                      John Smyth
 
-- The director of LADY IN THE LAKE was Robert Montgomery, who also starred as
the detective (Philip Marlowe).  It is available on video.  Actually it was
released in 1946.-- Michael Kerbel
 
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:02:00 +0200
From:         "FINTAN AYLWARD EXT.1231" <eei.eeifad@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Coen Brothers
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Actually made before Ghost Truly Madly.. was seem as the Britsh
version of Ghost. The film ifself should be rename Truly Bloody
Crap. It is over sentimental and totally miscast. Juillet
Stevennson or Stevens (i'm not sure) is whining idiot and is
not a character you could get to like. Alan Rickmann is
completely out of character and should stick to playing villans.
You wish about half way through the film  he would die again
which thank God he does at the end. For a film that was suppose
to be a comedy it raises about three laughs throughout the film.
Even though the film is made before Ghost it comes across as a
cheep immataion and merely illusrates the decline in Britsh, films
especially comedy, in recent years. What began as an orginal
idea, it ends up a terrible screenplay, with poor direction
and totally miscast actors. The film itself was so brutal that
it ended up been shown on TV within the same year as it's
Britsh cinima release.

                                 Regards
                                    Fintan
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Date: 4 Sep 92 13:47:52 GMT
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In article <9209041306.AA14500@eeiuc>
John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE> writes:
 
>
>Hi Jeff,
>The image looked a bit like below :
>
>.....................
>|      /     \     |
>| A   /       \ A  |
>|    /         \   |
>|   |    B      |  |
>|    \         /   |
>|     \       /    |
>....................
>
>where
>A = Inky Blackness
>B = Flickering Image
>
>The size of B varied throughout the transmission.
>Sorry about the crap diagram
>
>                  John Smyth
  The explanation about windowboxing on the previous reply was excellent, but
what you are referring to was D.W. Griffith's technique of masking parts of
the frame.  So it was in the original film, and was one of his many innovations
At times he masked the sides to emphasize the height of a person or building.
Other shots were masked at top and bottom, thus creating a kind of Cinemascope
image almost four decades before Cinemascope.  Griffith also used diamond
shapes, irises (circular mask), etc.  --Michael Kerbel
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:27:06 EDT
From:         "Kenneth R. Jackson" <PUPAPKJ@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      The movie Sneakers

Hello everyone

     Does anyone have any details on the movie,"Sneakers". It stars
Robert Redford,Dan Akroyd(sp?),River Phoenix,Sidney Potier. I believe
it's a movie about computer hackers. It opens up sometime this month.
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From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sex in Movies

Ellen,
   You put your finger on something that has been nothering me about
the entire Thelma and Louise discussion.  You put it far better than I
would have too!

>                                       What I do object to is the assigning of
> sexual nature to relationships that do not have a sexual nature, as if having
>the characters involved sexually validates the interaction between them.

   To me the movie said more about the nature of friendship than sex.  In the
past, the nature of female friendship was accepted as competitive.  What does
it say when one woman kills in defense of her friend?  To explain it away as
sexual just puts another condition on women's friendship.  Did that make
sense?  It is very early here.
                             Joan
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Subject:      Deli Plate #2
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:25:39 CDT
From:         Jane Carver <CARVER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Change of subject, for me, anyway

Enchanted April is advertised as being like an Ivory-Merchant film,
so I naturally ran not walked to my nearest art theatre to see it.
It is to _Howard's End_ as a short story is to a novel.  Do not
expect too much and you will be pleasantly surprised.  It is a
light comedy with lovely photography and fine acting by all players.
I hope this has not damned it with faint praise.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:37:30 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Summary of Law and Order films
              27 Aug 1992 12:19:00 CDT from Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>

From:  Mary Shaffer


How about "J'Accused" and "Prisoner of Honor", both about the Dreyfuss Affair?

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:14:14 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers

Subj:   Films about Frontiers

>From:  Mary Shaffer
>I'm compiling a list of films about exploring frontiers in honor of the
>500th anniversary of Columbus. At first I was limiting it to real events
>but I've expanded it to include other, more speculative films such as
>"2001" and "Quest for Fire."....

How about Journey to the Center of the Earth, based on a Jules Verne
novel, recently emerging as a viable nuclear policy in Kubrick's Dr.
Strangelove.

And speaking of Columbus, I wonder if any films have dealt with the
alternative mythology of Leif Erickson discovering America?  Surely
there must be at least one Icelandic film production company with an axe
to grind

j-man
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:26:27 CDT
From:         Jane Carver <CARVER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The law in movies

The Barbra Streisand / Ryan O/Neal movie filmed in San Francisco, with
indeed a great courtroom scene is _What's Up Doc?_  I would comment ondad
one of the things that makes that scene so funny, but I guess it would
be a dreaded "Spoiler" and I don't know how to skip lots of lines on
this thing yet, or at least don't want to go to the trouble.
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From: jrussell@unlinfo.unl.edu (john russell)
Subject: Thelma and Louise (ad nauseum)
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:56:29 GMT

Since I seem to be the _only_ person on this network not to comment
on this film, let me put my two cents in. I thought T&L was a blatant
statement about the empowerment of women. All of the male characters
were transparently one-dimensional personifications of all the cruddy 
things men do and have done to women (except for the FBI guy, who was
"sensitive" in the same one-dimensional way). These two women then 
proceed to overcome all the cruddy stuff and "take back their lives."
End of story. Not a whole lot of depth.

Actually, I thought "She-Devil" was a much better expression of the
same concept of empowerment, and it didn't make any claims about being
"innovative' or what-have-you. Someday I hope to see a movie with 
strong female characters which are not characterizations of or 
reactions against preexisting stereotypes, but are rather just 
individuals not representative of anything but themselves. Or is
this too much to hope for?

jr
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:13:58 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      City of Hope

Thanks for reminding me about City of Hope.  I saw it a
while back and was extremely impressed.  If I recall
correctly, Vincent Spano played the main character.  He
was outstanding.  I'm not a film student or even very
knowledgeable on the subject, but I remember being bowled
over by the technical aspects of the movie, as well as by
the performances and the story.  John Sayles, as per his
usual, played a significant role in the movie, in addition
to directing, etc.  I think he's in the top 2 or 3 when it
comes to Americans making movies these days.  For those
who would want to see other of his movies (besides City of
Hope), I'd recommend Matewan above all else.  Return of the
Secaucus Seven didn't do a whole lot for me, but I think
that had to do with my not being able to identify or relate
much with the storyline/characters.  Any others to suggest?

--Anjani
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