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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: SCSI Vs. IDE?
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:17:45 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

storm@uriel (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) writes:

>	A truly interesting and fact filled debat,e considering that my 340MB
>IDE Maxtor Drive pulls 1.5MB per second with no caching enabled whatsoever.

>	My other 82MB Maxtor disk pulss off 900KB/sec.

>	Toodlepip.
>	Marc 'em.
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>  storm@cs.mcgill.ca           McGill University         C program run.  Run  
>  Marc Wandschneider           Montreal, CANADA          Program run! PLEASE!
>      "When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not." - Yoda

I'm more concerned with the fact that you can't daisy-chain IDE drives.  1
controller per drive.  I enjoy the fact that I can plug up to six drives into
my Amiga, as well as other devices (assuming I can get drivers) like scanners,
slide-shooters, printers, etcetera, etcetera.  IDE is a dumb drive controller,
which makes it cheap and sometimes faster.  I'd rather pay a few more bucks and
get something I can expand on easily.

Wulf                    | "Martha, it's another one of those CS majors asking
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:09:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>
>Anyway, back to your point.  PC users have no idea what the word elegance is.
>I must tell you quite frankly that the PC is (apart from OS/2- 2.0 which has
>interesting possibilities) absolutely the worst micro I have ever owned. My
>GS is far superior to my 486. At least 5 megs is 5 megs. No wonder Apple is
>selling lot's of Mac's. I'm just surprised that Apple isn't the micro 
>standard at this point.
> 
>In summary: most PC games are terrible, the computer is awful, they do have a
>large market and a lot of stuff is available for what is a terrible piece
>of junk, my GS is better than my 486 (as are my Mac's), and the Amiga has
>nothing to apologize for. It's a far better computer than the PC will ever
>be.
>
>Just my $2000 worth (price of the MPC thing approximately-> with "8 megs of
>RAM, giving me 550k of usable RAM").
> 

Hmmm...  No wonder people see Amiga buffs as an annoying bunch of ignorant
fanatics.  John Dvorak was right.

>
>Philip McDunnough
>
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Robinson Follow Up Article
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:46:37 GMT

In article <65362@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:

>|  Does anyone happen to have this article at their disposal? After all the
>|  hoopla about the initial post, I'd like to see exactly what he had to say.

>He really didn't change the gist of his article, standing-by many of the
>original assertions (and probably rightly so).  He couldn't really write
>about the things CBM said "were coming Real Soon Now" for that would be
>discussing vaporware.

Any indication as to whether or not he was aware of the A3000 or 2.0?

>Robinson's original articles in 1984 stimulated many to the Amiga.  I'm
>sure he is as frustrated as the rest of us who've been proselytizing the
>Amiga for over 7 years now.

I'm sure many people may sympathize with his elements of constructive
criticism in the areas of hardware upgrades, marketing etc., but what
I found particularly offensive was the effort he took to belittle
the mentality of existing users. Most of us are equally knowlegeable
about alternative architectures and software bases. But the
'mushroom in the dark' condescension was entirely abrasive.

Mark

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From: ESRLPDI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Ivan Ivanick)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:28:54 PDT

In article <1992Sep12.071832.16158@news.iastate.edu>, on 12 Sep 1992 07:18:32 GMT,
barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.010011.9732@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>When in 256 color mode, the machine really crawled.
>>Just moving this icon around was horrible.  The reason for this, I believe
>>is that the AA Chipset, although 32 bit, is still only 7MHz or something
>>(to keep in sync with NTSC).  The performance was worse than a Mac with
>>a 68030 in 256 color mode.  At least in the workbench (using 3.0).  Maybe
>>there are still some bugs, but it was alot slower than expected.
>
<<prognosticatory ramblings deleted, hopefully soon forgotten>>         favor of
>but only because it's inferior display meant that it was not burdoned with
>moving lots of data around.
>
>   But along comes the AA chipset, and we finally get to see how an Amiga
>performs with 8 bitplanes at 640x480, and we see that it **CRAWLS**.  In fact,
.
  Just where did you see that, famous MB?  Did WOCA hold a special
  showing for you up Iowa?
>we find that the Workbench is **UNUSABLE** in 256-color mode because it is
>so slow, even though the Mac and IBM systems -- which have been available for
>much longer -- are pokish but still very usable with 256 colors.
>
>   The odd thing about the AA chipset, then, is that it could easily move
>die-hard Amigaoids to viewing Mac and IBM systems with a little more respect.
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>
I too noticed a sluggish response from the 4000 I was toying with. I did
no, however, note which screenmode the computer was in at the time (ther
are a bunch of them).  At the 2.1/3.0 demo, the 4000 was being run in
256 color mode and performed not only respectably, but damn snappy.  It
was definitely one of the high resolution modes the demonstrator was
working in, too.
   Don't bash it til you see it, Marc.
   .
   Ivan I   esrlpdi@oac.mvs.ucla.edu
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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story )
Subject: Re: Unix for the masses, was Re: C= (Sweden) does things right!
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:03:10 GMT

In article 424@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article 455@ifi.uio.no> stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne Olsen) writes:
>>Yeah, I really don't understand why C= does not jump into the low-end
>>Unix market. Noone would expect them to beat Sun/Hp/Dec, but if they
>>could release low-priced Unix/X-solutions, I'm sure there would be
>>a lot of intereset among students etc. It would also allow Amiga-users
>>to develop software for an widespread OS that might even become (or
>>already is) as large as the ms-dos market. As for software there is
>>already a lot of gnu and other freely distributable software that
>>could ship with the OS.
>
>very much bang for the buck.
>
>   Now if Commodore had designed into the AA chipset some high-resolution
>non-interlaced display modes on the order of 1280x1024 or higher with limited
>color capabilities, Commodore could have been able to push into the low-end
>UNIX market with Amiga UNIX systems that are dirt cheap to manufacture and
>yet good enough to actually be sellable as UNIX workstations.  But with the
>AA chipset having no non-interlaced Productivity-style modes with resolutions
>higher than 640x480, they will not be able to do this.  

Huh?  C= specifically mentions the same altering of resolution
capability as in the ECS in their "A4000" press release!  The AGA can do
1280 across, dude.  There's nothing preventing the AGA from doing
800x600 in 16 colors, 1024x768 in 4 colors or 1280x1024 monochrome all
noninterlaced.

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.161021.953@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>It is true that you can set ADPro to SuperHires and HAM8, but I don't 
>know if it will work.

   If it doesn't, it will probably only require a minor update to get it to
work.  Actually, the modes settable from ADPro are so close to the modes 
available from AA that I am surprised that ASDG did not violate an NDA's 
with its release! :-)

>Skip Sauls
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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From: skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:16:35 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <194vsoINN1u1@falcon.natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>
>> You need more than 256 colors for Workbench!  I am just curious as to why.
>
>So you can run Intuition Applications that use the windowing
>system with lots of colors in each applications window maybe?

The Amiga OS has provisions for the sharing of colors between applications,
a step towards RTG.  If there is a real need for more than 256 colors or
for multiple apps using 256 or more colors, the Amiga supports the use of
screens, each of which may have multiple windows.

>Duh.

Ditto.

>"Now You're Playing With Power Without The Price!"  Glen Sescila   |||

Playing is about all you'll do with an Atari.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: AGA Compatable A3000 - Why Not? Isn't it possible.
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:32:09 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>>   Somebody told somebody that told somebody that told me that...
>>The AGA (AA) CHIPSET WILL NOT WORK IN AN A3000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>I want a Commodore solution!  A 3rd party solution would be nice, too...

>   I think an AGA board for the A3000 would be {ossible, and might even be
>fairly easy to design.  If Commodore does not develop such a board, it will
>probably be because the R&D budgets are too tight to develop such a product,
>and the management refuses to raise the R&D budgets.  At any rate, as I've
>already stated, the A4000 is really just an A3000 with the AGA chipset 
>hcked in, anyway.  If you do not believe me, just check for yourself: with
>the exception of the SCSI circuitry (which does not exist in the A4000),
>all of the circuitry external to the chipset subsystem -- the circuitry 
>that implements the CPU, the 32-bit memory, the Zorro III slots, etc -- is
>the same on the A3000 and A4000.

It is possible.  A daughter board to plug into the old chip sockets, the chip
ram sockect (pull the ram) and the pal sockets.  On the daughter board you have

a) AGA chipset.
b) A4000 chip ram subsystem.

Voila, an AGA A3000.  NOW PLEASE STOP SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE. IT CAN.
C= keeps away from these types of things, thus no 2 meg A500/A2000 agnus 
upgrade boards from them.  However a 3rd party one should arrive before too 
long, providing C= will sell the chips to someone.  An A500/2000 version is
also possible.  They are NOT direct plugins, that is why C= says you can't
directly upgrade them.


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>--------------------------------------------------

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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 92 20:48:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep3.232209.4485@news.iastate.edu> <wedvVKS00j_HESKHpU@cs.cmu.edu>
  <jq1y3zb@rpi.edu>

>
>Y'see, for some strange reason unbeknownst to me, Go Amigo is actually the SAM
E
>company as **THE** big Amiga mail-order palace, Creative Computers. In case
>nobody has noticed (must be interlace-blinded.. 8)  ), Go Amigo and Creative
>share the same ads, pictures, prices, and **THE SAME CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE**.
>Sometimes, when I call, I swear it's the same guy answering both lines. So, my
>question is, WHY? 
>
>
>I am...
>   -Frank Dana, known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuser/Doc Ami!

Well, Go Amigo used to be its own company, operating out of a
railroad car in Redwood City, CA. Creative bought them out, but 
continued the ads in vaguely the same style/layout as the original
Go Amigo ads were done in. Now, of course, Creative produces the ads,
and Go Amigo is really just a Creative "branch" as it were, and everything
ships out of the same place in Lawndale, CA. (btw.. Creative ads are
one on a Mac with PageMaker if anyone cares)....
I was discussing the whys and wherefores of this with someone the
other day and it occured to us that the reason Creative still runs
a separate ad under the name Go Amigo could either be for some
extremely obscure legal reason, or perhaps more likely, because
Go Amigo built up a loyal following of a happy customer base and 
rather than just stick a "Hey, we own them now" box in their ads,
Creative keeps doing separate Go Amigo ads to cater to that loyal
customer base. 

But then this begs the question of how many people are "fooled" 
into thinking they're still dealing with (the original) Go Amigo
anymore when they phone in their orders?  And/or , if one WAS fooled
by it then how would one feel after having learned they had been 
fooled? 

But hell, stranger things happen. Lookit all the American car
dealers who sell a "domestic version" of a foreign car to cater
topeople who want to think they're buying "American." Or vice versa..
to cater to folks who think there's some built-in quality factor
or snob factor by buying foreign? Dodge Stealth. Mitsubishi GT3000.
Same car. Same guts. slightly different trim.  Ford Probe. 
Mazda MX-6. same deal. Perception. Getting fooled. "Brand Loyalty."
Whatever ya wanna call it this week.
Harv
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: New machines from Gateway (more flame bait....)
Keywords: Aighhh
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:37:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.181350.12257@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>Last night one of my roomate showed me an article about a new machine
>from Gateway:
>
>66Mhz 486 DX2
>VESA localbus slot
>ATI Graphics Ultra pro in the localbus slot
>300MB Maxtor HD
>2 HD floppys
>4MB ram
>15" Crystal Scan monitor
>Keyboard...etc..
>
>for $2850.00
>
>This is the type of machine the new A4000 will compete with. I think
>the A4000, from what I've read on the net holds up pretty well. It has a 
>slower CPU and lower resolutions but I feel the OS makes up for this.
>Add some EISA slots to the Gateway and it would be even more comprable, but
>alas it is ISA.

ISA or not, I could get that Gateway 486DX/66Mhz AND their 486 notebook
for what people expect the 'A4000' to retail for.

Oh, well, diffrent people, different likes.

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:16:55 GMT

In article <18dq39INNffp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:
>3@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
>Organization: Kansas State University
>Lines: 19
>NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
>
>mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:
>
>[ 24-bit vs. HAM8 ]
>
>>>As to disk storage for images, ever heard of JPEG?
>
>>Ah.. and what about movies which needs to be decompressed at 30fps ?
>>Without special hardware (which is independant of the base machine)
>>you can only use simple techniques (i.e. not JPEG). And HAM8 inherently
>>needs less storage.
>
>Apple's QuickTime format uses JPEG compression, and it works, how well is
>another matter.

Its fine if you have a Quadra and don't care that the animations are
only in little-bitty windows.

>This HAM8 mode is the one giving 256K pseduo true colors, right?  That's 18
>bits per pixel, not a whole lot less than 24 bpp, correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually, it is 8 bits per pixel, but the 256 base colors can held
and modified, hence the name.  This allows for the simulation of
18 bit color without actually increasing the amount of storage
required.  Some of the HAM images are really very nice, others
look really bad.  With the new SuperHAM available at resolutions
up to 1280 horizontally, I expect the images to be nothing short
of spectacular.

Just a few more days...

>-- Nan

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advo
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:31:30 EST

In a message dated Wed  9 Sep 92  9:10, Danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (frank R. 
wrote:

 DR> Well, yes and no. I agree that the visible scanlines on the normal
 DR> Amiga display
 DR> modes (this has nothing to do with monitors, they were present on my
 DR> Sony 
 DR> multisync before I got the FF, too...) but I don't agree that the

Actually, the easiest way to get rid of the scan lines, is to flip into PAL
mode (Super Agnus, or 2 meg agnus), and squeeze the 1084 down to give you
the full display.  I'm running a 722*283 screen, and i'm not using
interlaced or anything like that.  This is a rock solid display, and the
pixel aspect is much nicer.

Jammer

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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Re: Any Commodore users buying the Falcon in Germany?
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:16:43 GMT

laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt) writes:

>aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>
>> [stuff deleted]
>>

>>How well is it doing?
>>
>I don't know and don't care..

 But you did care to write a silly reply. OK, OK, I know that's
part of the purpose of this newsgroup. 
  
>>Anyone owning an Amiga considering the Falcon 030 over there?
>>
>No..why ?

 Sigh. Because it's obviously better than the Amiga, and perhaps
computer hobbyists in Europe aren't as impressed by the PC clones
as they are in the US.

>>Reason I ask is that I hear that Atari and Commodore have an
>>equal market share there and many people have both systems.
>>
>Haha..equal..a joke ? If you want to buy an Atari(Don't know why,
>but only imagine this) you have to search for it. 
>Atari has dramaticly lost market share the last years and i see
>no chance that they can come back......

 I suppose Len is referring to the fact that the Atari ST line
has been outselling the Amiga for many years in Europe. Unfortunately
they didn't get a new product ready in time to keep down the
Amiga during its entire life cycle. 

 In case they can't come back, it's probably because of the 
competition from low-cost PC clones and advanced Japanese 
video games. 

 Anders Skelander, Sweden
From: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner)
Subject: Re: Utilities Unlimited vs NewTek's cottage industry paradigm
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:35:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.102952.1039@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) writes:
>
>How is that some of the brightest people you know can also be
>some of most ridiculous?  I am afraid that I am going to be

>----SHIT DELETED---------

>I don't know, but it worries me.
>
>                              NCW

Why not leave your illogical opinions/worries in advocacy.
Get real.

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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: The Reason Why A3000 Owners Are MAD!
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:53:29 GMT

In article <BuLAt2.310@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
>From: mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick)
>Subject: Re: The Reason Why A3000 Owners Are MAD!
>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:36:37 GMT
>In article <1992Sep14.130753.58868@cc.usu.edu> slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>After a great deal of thought, I've decided that the reason
>>A3000 owners (like myself) are pissed about not compat. AGA
>>is that we spend the extra damages on the A3000 so our machine's
>>could be upgraded.  Everything is 32bit except the custom chip
>>sockets.
>>
>>Now, after spending mucho mulanda, we find our machines to be
>>tossed.  Most of us can appreciate the "tech goes on" philosiphy,
>>but those of us still in Gold Service (and have many months to
>>go before warranty is depleted) are quite upset about the loss
>>of money.  The A4000 will push A3000 prices down quite a bit.
>
>I am really PISSED OFF that AA is NOT COMPATIBLE WITH MY C-64! WHY IS
>COMMODORE abandoning the early users? WHAT A RIP!!! WE HELPED BUILD
>COMMODORE and now they LET US DOWN!! WAHHHHHHH! WAHHHHHH!
>
>
>mike
>
>P.S. I originally bought my C-64 for $625. Maybe I should sue the bastards
>and get my money back.
>;-)

Hey!  I paid 	A$300 for Vic-20 (3.5 usable k)
		A$130 for data-sette
		A$60  for 3k ram "super expander"
		A$100 for 16k ram expansion
		A$40  for multi-cartridge holder
               ======
		A$630

And I want my money back too!  (Even though I got much more back through 
years of enjoyment of using the system).  It won't run Amiga software!  
BTW, I own a Amiga-500 with KS1.2 which I find is still useful for my 
needs.  I think I can get my brother (who studies CS and EE) to pay half an 
Amiga-4000 if it will run unix...
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