From: mueller@hydra.cs.unc.edu (Carl Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: HELP! Suns forsale, no idea what they are!
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:19:51 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:
> I've been put in charge of selling off several old sun 3's. I've got
> dozens of boards with DATA COMMAND DATA and I don't know what they
> are.

Sound like SMD disk controllers.

> I've also got a 3/160, 3/260, several 3/60,3/75's and
> 3 model# 667? The 667's have the same case with only the DATA COMMAND
> stuff in the back panel.

These are all 68020 based systems, 16-25 Mhz.

There were several requests recently for a "What's What in Sun Systems"
list, so I'll dig up what I have saved so far.

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From: doug@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Looking for a way to upgrade a Sun-2/120 to a Sun-3
Date: 1 Feb 92 07:31:38 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland

[text deleted...]

Here are the Sun CPUs listed in the Field Engineer Handbook (an earlier
edition):

Processor		Systems used in		Sun part number(s)
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Sun 2 Multibus		Sun-2/100U/120/150U/170	501-1007
Sun 2 Multibus Prime	Sun-2/120/170		501-1051
Sun 2050 CPU		Sun-2/50 		501-1141/1142/1143
			Sun-2/130/160		501-1144/1145/1146
Sun 3/50		Sun-3/50		501-1075/1133/1162/1207
Sun 3/60		Sun-3/60		501-1205/1322/1334/1345
Sun 3/60LE		Sun-3/60LE		501-1378
Sun 3/80		Sun-3/80		501-1401-10/1401/1650
Sun 3004 (3/1xx series)	Sun-3/75/140/150/160/180 501-1074/1094/1163/1164
			Sun-3/140/150/160/180	501-1208
Sun 3/110		Sun-3/110		501-1134/1209
Sun 3200 (3/2xx series)	Sun-3/260/280		501-1100/1206
Sun 3400 (3/4xx series)	Sun-3/460/470/480	501-1299/1550
Sun386i/150		Sun386i/150		501-1241/1414
Sun386i/250		Sun386i250		501-1324/1413
Sun 3/E  (6U form)	Sun-3/E			501-8028
Sun 4/20		Sun-4/20		501-1627/1680/1720/1748/1776/
							1777
Sun 4/40		Sun-4/40		501-1689/1690/1835
Sun 4/60		Sun-4/60		501-1382-12/1382-13/1382-14/
							1629/1629-14
Sun 4/65		Sun-4/65		501-1632
Sun 4/75		Sun-4/75		501-1638/1744
Sun 4100		Sun-4/110/150		501-1199/1237/1462/1463/1512/
							1513/1514/1515/1464/
							1465/1516/1517/1656/
							1657/1658/1659/1660/
							(many others)
Sun 4200		Sun-4/260/280		501-1129/1491/1522
Sun 4300		Sun-4/310/330/350/360/	501-1316/1742
				370/380/390
Sun 4400		Sun-4/470/490		501-1381

Sun 4E   (6U form)	Sun-4/E SPARCengine 1E	501-8058/8035

[the Sun 3/75 was a 3/1xx board in a small chassis. -Carl]

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From: aek@Apple.COM (Al Kossow)
Subject: general info on sun models
Date: 25 Jan 92 17:16:43 GMT
Organization: Advanced Technology Group, Apple Computer, Cupertino CA

Here's a general list of machines (from memory) [with corrections]

Sun1's	These are the large black desktop boxes with 17" monitors. Used
	the original Stanford-designed video board. Uses a parallel 
	microswitch keyboard and parallel mouse

100	Used design similar to original SUN (Stanford University Network)
	CPU, version 1.5 CPU could take larger RAMS. Pre-dates Sun's 4.2
	port (ran Unisoft V7) (68010 CPU instead of SUN's 68000) 10Mhz.

100u	"Brain transplant" for 100 series. Replaces CPU and memory card
	with first-generation Sun2 CPU and memory boards so original customers
	could run SunOS V1. (still has parallel kb/mouse intf so old kbds
	would work)

170	Rack-mounted server. Slightly different chassis design than 2/170's

Sun2's

2/120	Multibus-based 68010 10Mhz. First machines that had desk-side chassis
	Serial Microswitch keyboard, Mouse Systems Optical mouse. 7Mb memory
	max. Cards are CPU, 1 or 4 meg memory board, ethernet board, SCSI
	board, 640 * 480 color board, monochrome video board, SMD controller,
	tape controller, 16 port serial mux (ALM-1)

	Two variants of video board, one generated TTL-level video, on ECL.
	Later video boards ("2prime") could generate either levels. Early
	19" mono monitors (philips or moniterm) could be switched as well.

	2/1xx's with a monochrome display can only have 7megs max, since the
	frame buffer appears in the 8th meg

2/170	Rack-mounted Multibus chassis server

2/50	VME Sun2 style CPU 2 slot chassis. Optional SCSI board (model name
	is SCSI-2; 2'nd SCSI design.. first was for 2/1xx's) sat on mem
	expansion board in 2nd slot. CPU board had 1,2,or 4 megs mem, 10Mhz
	68010 CPU, ethernet, two serial ports. Memory expansion boards 
	are 1,2 or 4 megs has well.

2/160	First machine to use 12 slot desk-side VME chassis. Many has CPU
	upgrades to 3/160's. Had 4 fan cooling tray instead of 6 in later
	machines, have cooling problems with lots of cards. Also only had
	4 P2 memory connectors bussed instead of 6.


	SunOS 4.0 was the last release with Sun2 support

Sun 3's

3/160	First 68020 based Sun machine. Uses "Carerra" CPU, which is used
	in lots of other Sun3 variants. 4Mb on-board memory. Sun's mem
	expansion goes on 4 Meg memory expansion boards; third parties had
	up to 32 megs on one card. SCSI was optional. One variant of the
	memory card held the 6u VME SCSI board, other version sat in slot7
	of the backplane and ran the SCSI out the back of the backplane to
	the internal disc/tape. CPU has 2 serial, ethernet, kbd ports.

3/75	2 slot desktop chassis, optional SCSI sits in 2nd slot on mem exp bd.
3/140	3 slot chassis
3/150	6 slot chassis

3/110	similar to Carerra CPU, but has 8 bit color frame buffer on board and
	uses 1meg rams for 4meg on-cpu memory. 3 slot VME chassis.
	Code named "Prism."

3/50	15.7MHz cpu, cycle-stealing monochome frame buffer. 4mb mem max (3rd
	party mem expansions boards were sold, though) No bus. On board SCSI.

3/60	20Mhz 020 cpu, VRAM monochome frame buffer. optional color frame buffer
	(could run mono and color from same board) No bus. On board SCSI. SIMM
	memory, up to 24mb (100ns * 9 SIMMS). High (1600*1100) or low (1152*870)
	resolution mono selectable by jumper. "GX" frame buffer also was avail.

3/260
3/280	25MHz 68020. 2 serial ports, enet, kb on CPU. High resolution mono only.
	No CPU board memory (space taken up with a cache). Memory boards in 8
	meg increments. "Sun4" 32meg boards work (at least for the first 32
	megs, never had more than one to try 64..)  Code named "Sirius."

3/80	68030 CPU. Similar packaging to SparcStationI. The 030 machines were
	actively marketed, since Sun had decided to drop the Sun3 line soon
	after the machines were announced.

	SunOS 4.1.1 was the last release with Sun3 Support
Sun4

4/260
4/280	First SPARC CPU board; can replace the CPU in 3/260's or 3/280's

4/110	First desk-top SPARC. CPU doesn't support VME bus master cards, so
	DMA disc and tape boards won't work with it. Really intended as single-
	board machine. Has on board SCSI, 2 serial ports, enet, kbd. "P4" frame
	buffer could be monochrome or color.


I haven't poked inside of anything newer than this. I'm sure someone else
can send out the info for Sun4c and newer machines..

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From: doug@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Need information on Sun cg3 Framebuffer
Date: 4 Feb 92 02:19:02 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland

[request for info on frame buffers deleted. -Carl]

For VMEbus:

2160 Color Frame Buffer	2/160 3/160/180/260/280/460/470/480	501-1014
	1152 x 900  62KHz  66Hz
GP  Graphics Processor	2/160   3/160/180/260/280/460/480	501-1055
			4/150/260/280/330/350/360/370/380
GP+ Graphics Processor	(same as GP)				501-1139

GB  Graphics Buffer	(same as GP)				501-1058

3160 (CG3) CFB		Same as GP but no 2/160 supported	501-1116
	1152 x 900  62KHz  66Hz					    1089
								    1319
CG5  Color Frame Buffer	Same as CG3 but adding support for	501-1267
			4/470/490
GP2  Graphics Processor	Same as CG5				501-1268

CG9  24-bit CFB		Same as CG5				501-1434
	1152 x 900  62KHz  66Hz
TAAC-1 Appl Accelerator	Same as CG5	two board set	POP brd	501-1383
							DFB brd	    1447


That's about it for VME bus machines...

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From: covert@s4.csrd.uiuc.edu (Jeannie Covert)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on Sun Machines
Date: 30 Jun 92 02:37:59 GMT
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:

>I know that this isn't an ad, but what with all of the Sun
>computers offered for sale here I hoped that someone could answer
>some questions about sun computers.

>First, what the CPUs used in various Sun computers?
>I think that Sun 3 machines used 68020/30/40 CPUs.
>I think that Sun 4 machines used Sun SPARC CPUs.
>I think that Sun used to sell Intel 80x86 based machines also.

Well, I sure opened my big mouth and stuck both feet in. The response
for a copy of the sun3 and sun4 tables has been overwhelming. So
much that we can not afford to fax the tables out. Instead, I'm posting
here. BUT the amount of time that it took just to type all of this in
(no, we don't have a scanner yet) and the original question was about
the used sun machines, I decided to give you the tables for the older
models. If I get sometime I'll post the newer/newest (to be) machines later.


                      Sun3 Configurations

                                                              3/150
              3/50            3/60            3/80            3/160
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PROCESSOR     
CPU           MC68020         MC68020         MC68030         MC68020
CPU (clock)   15              20              20              16.67
FPC           MC68881         MC68881         MC68882         MC68881
MMU           Sun-3           Sun-3           n/a             Sun-3
Virtual Mem   256Mb           256Mb           4Gb             256Mb
Hard. Contexts8               8               n/a             8
CPU Performance 1.5 MIPS      3 MIPS          3 MIPS          2 MIPS

MEMORY
Standard      4MB             4MB             4MB             4MB
Maximum       4MB             24MB            16Mb            16Mb
Error Detect  bp              bp              bp              bp
Cycle Time    270ns           200ns           100ns           270ns


                3/260           3/470 
                3/280           3/480 
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PROCESSOR       
CPU             MC68020         MC68030 
CPU (clock)     25              33
FPC             MC68881         MC68882
MMU             Sun-3           n/a 
Virtual Mem     256Mb           4Gb/per process
Hard. Contexts  8               n/a 
CPU Performance 4 MIPS          7 MIPS
 
MEMORY
Standard        8,16,or32Mb     8,16,or32Mb
Maximum         64MB            128MB
Error Detect    ECC             ECC
Cycle Time      80ns            80ns

                       
                        Sun4 Configurations

                                              SPARCstation    SPARCstation 
                4/100           4/200           1             330
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PROCESSOR       
CPU             MB86900IU       SF9010IU        SPARC           CY7C601
CPU (clock)     14.28           16.67           20              25
FPU             Weitek1164/1165 SF9010FPC       Weitek 3170     TI8847
MMU             Sun-4           Sun-4           Sun-4           Sun-4
Virtual Mem     1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process .5Gb/per process 1Gb/per processHard. Contexts  8               16              8               16 
CPU Performance 7 MIPS          10 MIPS         12.5 MIPS       16 MIPS
 
MEMORY
Standard        8,16 or 32Mb    8 or 32Mb       8MB             8MB
Maximum         32MB            128MB           16Mb            40Mb
Error Detect    parity          ECC             synchronous     synchronous 
                                                parity          parity
Cycle Time      70ns            60ns            50ns            40ns
 
 
                SPARCstation    SPARCserver     SPARCserver     SPARCserver
                370             330             370             390
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PROCESSOR
CPU             CY7C601         CY7C601         CY7C601         CY7C601
CPU (clock)     25              25              25              25
FPU             TI8847          TI8847          TI8847          TI8847
MMU             Sun-4           Sun-4           Sun-4           Sun-4
Virtual Mem     1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process 1Gb/per process
Hard. Contexts  16              16              16              16
CPU Performance 16 MIPS         16 MIPS         16 MIPS         16 MIPS
 
MEMORY
Standard        8Mb             8Mb             8MB             8MB
Maximum         56MB            40Mb            56Mb            56Mb
Error Detect    synchronous     synchronous     synchronous     synchronous
                parity          parity          parity          parity
Cycle Time      40ns            40ns            40ns            40ns

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[While I'm at it, someone also requested these. -Carl]

From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Errata - sun video connectors
Date: 9 Jan 92 03:37:40 GMT
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix, Santa Clara, CA

Whoops. Found some errors in my earlier Sun video connector posting.
Here's the correct data:


Analog:

      +----------------- * gnd
      |   +------------- * vertical sync
      |   |   +---------   sense 2
      |   |   |   +-----   sense common (gnd)
      |   |   |   |   +-   composite sync
      |   |   |   |   |
      |   |   |   |   |  grey
red   |   |   |   |   |  green blue
 |   1o   o   o   o  5o    |     |
(O)                       (O)   (O)
   6o   o   o   o  1o0
    |   |   |   |   |
    |   |   |   |   +---   composite common (gnd)
    |   |   |   +-------   sense 0
    |   |   +-----------   sense 1
    |   +--------------- * gnd
    +------------------- * horizontal sync

* May be NC. My spies tell me Sun considers these obsolete.

'green' is used by greyscale monitors for video input.

Sense table - 1=nc, 0=strap to gnd

sense	type
0	TBD (?)
1	Reserved
2	1280x1024, 76Hz
3	1152x900, 66Hz
4	1152x900, 76Hz, 19"
5	Reserved
6	1152x900, 76Hz, 16 or 17"
7	Nothing (no monitor connected)

ECL:

              Vert
  vid+   Horiz |
   |       |   |
  1o   o   o   o  5o

    6o   o   o  9o
     |   |   |   |
     |   +---+---+
     |       |
    Vid-    gnd


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In order to estimate the market value of your systems, try calling up
a used Sun reseller (see ads in Sun World, Sun Expert, etc).  Then cut
these prices by a healthy percentage to get some real prices.

-Carl (mueller@cs.unc.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware