HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:56:19 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Doctor Green + MPD

Is this a joke?  Unfortunately, no.  My source is a tape of a presentation
given by Dr. D. C. Hammond, a clinical hypnotist with strong credentials
and two texts published by W. W. Norton.  It was given in June as part of
the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple
Personality, a fully accredited continuing education conference; attending
M.D.'s received six credit hours in Category 1 of the Physicians' Recognition
Award of the American Medical Association.

I received the tape from Sherrill Mulhern of the Laboratoire des Rumeurs,
Universite de Paris.  She is a clinical psychologist concerned about how
some counselors are *mis*treating MPD patients by encouraging and even
implanting fantasies of this sort.  She and Dr. Frank Putnam of NIMH are
trying to combat this and similar scenarios circulating among trained
psychologists, and asked for my opinion of the material and its probable
origin.  I can say generally where such ideas come from, but I thought it
best to touch base with more experienced conspiracy-watchers.  For all I
know, Dr. Green may be real, or at least a widely circulated claim.

Anyone?

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton
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From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Part IV, Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Keywords: shades of Dr. Mengele, human medical experimentation
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:06:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

Looks like there is a direct link with the JFK murder :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jrogers@hercules.cis.udel.edu (James Rogers)
Subject: Re: That darn "Bug" story
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:59:09 GMT

In article <+Qs-w5@engin.umich.edu> ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes:
> Okay, we've all heard it:
> ...
>found a small moth that had died amongst the internal workings,
>causing the error.
> And that, my child, is why programming errors are called "bugs"
>today.
>
> So: Is this true? Really? Where and when did it happen?
>Or is it just an urban myth?
>

This has been discussed a number of times in Annals of the History of 
Computing.  Most recently in V 14, #3 (1992) in a letter from John
Eklund of the Nat. Museum of Am. History at the Smithsonian, which
has the log book.  The machine in question was the Harvard Mark II,
the bug entry was made on 9/Sep/1947.  The entry has the moth taped
into the book and the notation "Relay #70 Panel F (moth) in relay."
Under this is written, perhaps in another hand, "First actual case
of bug being found."  The log book includes some loose papers from
1975 that claim that the operator was Bill Burke (not Grace Murray
Hopper as often reported).

I seem to recall several comments indicating use of the term ``bug''
predates this considerably.  The joke really has to reference prior
usage in order to be funny.

BTW, I agree with E. Dijkstra --- instead of using ``bug'' we ought
to be honest and just call them ``errors'', ie: ``The program still
has a few bugs in it.'' ought to read ``The program doesn't work.''

With apologies for pedantry,
  Jim Rogers
  jrogers@udel.edu
From: klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Lightning and cars (was Re: Lightning and trees.)
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:28:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

valdis@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Valdis Kletnieks) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.222204.2437@klaava.Helsinki.FI> vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka) writes:
>>And a car is not a very good faraday cage even at tiny voltages..
>>radio works pretty well....

>Well, I suppose the fact that most cars have external antennas
>doesn't enter into it?

My walkman radio works well in a bus.

Klaus O K
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England)
Subject: Rice + Beans = Whole protien ???
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:26:17 GMT
Organization: Stephen Software Systems Inc., Tacoma/Seattle, +1 800 829 1684
X-Bytes: 714

  I keep hearing that it's good to eat rice and beans together
  in a single meal,  the reason given is that each supposedly provides
  half a protien and combined it's complete.

  Needless to say when I asked for more details I recieved no info
  on which protien or amino acids etc were involved.

  Is this some sort of bunk?  Or is there really something behind
  this belief?

   Thanks!
  
-- 
 +-  Bill England,  wengland@stephsf.COM -----------------------------------+
 |   * *      H -> He +24MeV                                                |
 |  * * * ... Oooo, we're having so much fun making itty bitty suns *       |
 |__ * * ___________________________________________________________________| 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller)
Subject: Re: rice + beans = complete protein
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:59:50 GMT

To my (limited) knowledge, even the rice/bean combination is not completely
protein sufficient, though it is close. Legumes and cereals have different
protein amino acid combinations, but even rice/bean diets (such as those
found in Latin America) often need to be supplemented with cheese or other
such products (eggs, etc.) to provide better protein. Vegans in more
developed nations can of course take amino acid supplements rather than res-
orting to animal products. (Unfortunately, I like meat and cheese too much
to have my weak moral problems with carnivory do anything about it.)

The protein complement of rice/beans depends a lot on the kinds of beans
consumed, since rice and other cereals are very low in protein anyway. Some
beans have a much higher and more diverse protein composition than others.
Soy - another legume - is a particularly good source, which is why so many
vegetarian products are tofu, miso, or otherwise soy-based.

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada
From: vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Thermodynamics (was Re: Sartre's 3 laws)
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:22:20 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..
From: kistler@iowave.physics.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Boiling frogs
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:43:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <1685F7FC0.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com>,
 JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
> ...  place a frog into lukewarm
> water and slowly boil it ...
> ...  do lobsters
> prefer this method of death or do they prefer to be dropped into boiling
> water....

I suspect they "prefer" (as much as they are self-aware) not to be boiled
at any speed.  Cold-blooded creatures still (appear to) possess the capacity
to feel pain when the ambient temperature exceeds limits healthy for them.
(They try to escape bad situations, etc.  I don't know if anyone's ever given
them an EEG to see for sure if they're really in pain or just instinctively
reacting to an unhealthy situation.)

But, geez, just shoot 'em, skin 'em, fry 'em, and be done with it.

Allen Kistler
kistler@iowave.physics.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael James Gebis)
Subject: Dust, human skin, textile fibers, and you.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:48:07 GMT

What is dust made up of?  In a discusion with my friends, I told them the
statistic that I had heard, that dust was primarily dead human skin.
(Actually, I read this somewhere, then saw it on Cheers one night.)

Is this true?  My friend violently says NO, it must be textle fibers, and
textile fibers only.

Thanks
Mike Gebis  m-gebis@uiuc.edu
From: amconn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Boiling frogs
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:36:09 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1685F7FC0.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com>, JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
> Some independent sources have said that if you place a frog into lukewarm
> water and slowly boil it, it will not jump out and will just get boiled.
> I trust this comes from some sloppy notions about difference thresholds
> for temperature in the frog.  But is it true?  Don't worry, I don't
> plan to boil anything.  I'm just interested.  Oh, yes, and do lobsters
> prefer this method of death or do they prefer to be dropped into boiling
> water.  None of them will tell me.



This was such an easy thing to verify (the frog part, that is) that I tried it.
I got a frog and put it in a pot of water on the stove and turned on the
burner. At first, the difficult part was keeping the frog in the pot no matter
what the temperature was, so I had to cover the pot with a wire-mesh strainer.
Once I did this and allowed the frog to acclimate to the experimental set-up,
it would sit quietly until the temperature reached about 35 C.  Then it would
become active, bumping its little green head against the wire until I released
it. This seems not to be a preferred method of preparing frog legs.

Connor/Castigat ridendo mores
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: mueller@sumex-aim.Stanford.EDU (Fritz Mueller)
Subject: Colored oils for blobby light show...
Organization: Knowledge Systems Lab, Stanford University
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:53:48 GMT


Hi all:

  I'm trying to recreate that classic '60s moving blobby colored oil
light show effect.  I understand that this is/was usually done with an
overhead projector and some glass plates.

  For the colored, blobby, part, I figured I could use water and
something like mineral oil; the water could be colored with plain old
watercolor paints.  What sort of pigment could be used to color the
oil, though, that wouldn't be water soluble?

					--FritzM.
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: The greenhouse effect, Florida, and Hawaii.
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:21:05 GMT
Reply-To: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Organization: U of Cambridge, England


In article <BuLpH8.LKE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mjg51721@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Michael James Gebis) writes:
|> I once read that a predicted effect of the greenhouse warming was
that weather
|> patterns might change.  Most notably, the paths that hurricanes took might
|> be different, which might explain Iniki and Andrew, two of the worst
hurricanes
|> in history.  Perhaps the global climate has changed enough to divert these
|> storms away from where they would have gone in years past, and now is
favorable
|> to making storms in more heavily devolped areas.
|> 
|> Anyway, is the true?  Any meteorologists out there?  Would a warmed climate
|> change the hurricane zone?

It's not just the USA.  5 years ago now we had a spectacular hurricane
in SE England that broke more than any previous recorded storm.  Quite
apart from the droughts in sub-Saharan Africa, things seem to be
getting worse all around the globe.  Or is it just the "good old days"
effect?

Meteorologists?  Climatologists?  Where are you?
--
Robin (dump Brian Kay) Fairbairns                    rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: meissner@osf.org (Michael Meissner)
Subject: Re: Boiling lobsters (was Re: Boiling frogs)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<1992Sep12.205409.27337@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:17:57

In article <1992Sep12.205409.27337@athena.cs.uga.edu> bday@athena.cs.uga.edu (bday) writes:

| 
| In article <BuH9qH.A3t@eis.calstate.edu> kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell) writes:
| >Now, _I_ had always heard (not being a lobster fan) that lobsters that had
| >been dropped live into boiling water were a bit on the tough side, since
| >the meat was all tensed up when it was cooked. I read once (I've forgotten
| >where) that the best way is to put the lobster into a bowl of wine for
| >about 10 minutes before you cook it. Then the lobster DOESN'T CARE what
| >happens, and, supposedly, the meat is more tender. 
| >
| 
| Would wine, or other alcohol, really have the same kinds of affects
| on crustaceans, or other sea creatures, as it does on humans, and other
| mammals?  This is very interesting... What makes alcohol do the things
| is does to us, anyway?

I don't know, but you can tell if a lobster was alive at the time it
was placed in the water if it's tail is curled (if it is straight, the
poor guy died from other causes).
--
Michael Meissner	email: meissner@osf.org		phone: 617-621-8861
Open Software Foundation, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, 02142

You are in a twisty little passage of standards, all conflicting.
From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Rice + Beans = Whole protien ???
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:35:33 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Sep4.192617.8830@stephsf.com> wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England) writes:


>  I keep hearing that it's good to eat rice and beans together
>  in a single meal,  the reason given is that each supposedly provides
>  half a protien and combined it's complete.

>  Needless to say when I asked for more details I recieved no info
>  on which protien or amino acids etc were involved.

>  Is this some sort of bunk?  Or is there really something behind
>  this belief?

>   Thanks!
> 
[...]

  Fairly true.  The human body cannot manufacture all the 20 amino acids
needed to make proteins - we have to take some of them in from your
diet.  Rice provides some, and corn provides the others, so that on a diet
of rice and beans, a human can make all needed proteins.

  The above, of course, is a radical oversimplification of the truth,
but it's fairly accurate.
 
-- 
==============================================================================
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits"  -  Mark Twain
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: That darn "Bug" story
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:41:49 GMT

I believe "bug" was long-used for problems in machinery, and even Edison
used it at times, but I think the incident with the moth in the log book
and the complexity of computers (and programs) made problems that much more
common combined to make the word "bug" become popular among computer-types.

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: ketil@ugle.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: The dangers in microwaved food...
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of computer science at the University of Bergen, Norway
	<18lv9rINN3fi@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<millernw.716085379@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
	<1992Sep11.060906.19945@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:08:42

In article <1992Sep11.060906.19945@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> brett@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Brett Sealey) writes:

   My understanding is that the resonant frequency of water molecules has
   little to do with the way a microwave works. A microwave is just a
   domestic radio frequency inductive heater which works by inducing eddy
   currents within the "target". These currents then heat the material via
   resistance.

   Supporting evidence to this claim includes:
	   + Highly conductive materials such as metals can pick up large
	     voltage differences. This leads to arcing.... (Fun!!!)
                                                            ~~~~
Until your mother catches you at it.  This is, I believe, what happens
with the CD, and plates with gold rims.

   Of course, this could all be circumstantial...

Of course.  A friend of mine had an MW with a metal, eh, grid? in the
bottom, much like your average oven (it was a combination thing)  How
can that be?  Metals are supposed to be a nono, but this seemed to
work just fine?!

   Happy microwaving,

You bet!

--
 = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no =
 = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: That darn "Bug" story
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:02:37 GMT
Organization: IUPUI

In article <1992Sep13.195909.27527@udel.edu>
jrogers@hercules.cis.udel.edu (James Rogers) writes:
 
>In article <+Qs-w5@engin.umich.edu> ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes:
>> Okay, we've all heard it:
>> ...
>>found a small moth that had died amongst the internal workings,
>>causing the error.
>> And that, my child, is why programming errors are called "bugs"
>>today.
>>
>> So: Is this true? Really? Where and when did it happen?
>>Or is it just an urban myth?
 
>This has been discussed a number of times in Annals of the History of
>Computing.  Most recently in V 14, #3 (1992) in a letter from John
>Eklund of the Nat. Museum of Am. History at the Smithsonian, which
>has the log book.  The machine in question was the Harvard Mark II,
>the bug entry was made on 9/Sep/1947.  The entry has the moth taped
>into the book and the notation "Relay #70 Panel F (moth) in relay."
 
A co-worker of mine has mentioned there is a 1940 movie called
something like "Young Tom Edison" or something like that and he
makes the statement "just a moment...I still have a few bugs to work
out"...
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From:  (Michael Snider)
Subject: Re: That darn "Bug" story
Followup-To: alt.folklore.science
Organization: BNR
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:10:52 GMT

In article <+Qs-w5@engin.umich.edu>, ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
wrote:
> 
[ well-known computer bug story deleted]
> 
>  So: Is this true? Really? Where and when did it happen?
> Or is it just an urban myth?


Either in one of James Trefils' books or in Petroski's "To Engineer is
Human"
there is a quote from Herbert Hoover's memoirs wherein the
engineer-president speaks of sleepless nights worrying whether a "bug" in
his calculations would cause a dam to fail--so the jargon is at least that
old in engineering. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Ray Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably
>                             || not those of the University of
> ingles@caen.engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet.

***** Michael Snider ********** alas, no email, so reply by post ******

Talk of fame, honor, pleasure, wealth, all are dirt compared with
affection.
                                                   Charles Darwin          

Critics quarrel with other critics. With an artist, no sane man quarrels.  

                                                   George Santayana        

                      
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: tadams@wedge.sbc.com (Tom. Adams 529-7860)
Subject: Re: Explosions in space
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 02:12:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.004645.23901@colorado.edu> juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola) writes:
>In article <15SEP199217274418@rosie.uh.edu> st17y@rosie.uh.edu (Belding, Troy C.) writes:
>>	Just recently I heard someone say that most SF movies set in 
>Yeah.  Unless "reasonably nearby" means within a few hundred meters, 
>you're still in trouble.  Assume, for simplicity, that the ship that
>explodes is a sphere of 100m diameter, pressurized at 1atm.  When the
>ship explodes, its air is evenly distributed in an expanding sphere.
>The shockwave propagates in accordance with the inverse square law, the
>air density in accordance with the inverse cube.  So a ship 300m from
>the original ship is in an "atmosphere" of only 1/27 atm, < 4% of normal
>atmospheric pressure.  By Earth standards, that's a rather hard vacuum,
>and certainly incapable of transmitting much noise.

Actually, no. To quote from "Thinking like a Physicist", by N Thompson, 
pub. Adam Hilger; Bristol, Philadelphia, and New York, 1987

	Sound will propagate normally in a gas at reduced pressure, so 
	long as the mean free path of the molecules, l, is small compared 
	with the wavelength, lambda.  At 1 cm Hg, l ~= 0.004 mm, while 
	lamda will have it's normal value, of the order of 1 m.  Thus 
	sound can propagate perfectly normally.  

According to this source, and others, the well known bell jar experiment 
is usually misinterpreted.  The volume drop at ~ 1 cm Hg is actually the 
result of an acoustic mismatch between the air and glass at reduced 
pressure. The amount of energy *reflected* at the glass surface is 
directly proportionate to pressure.  So, at 300 m. and 1/27 atm we
will hear the explosion.
--
Tom Adams	tadams@sbctri.sbc.com adams@swbatl.sbc.com   314-529-7860
misology (mi-sohl'-ogee) Hatred of reason, argument, or enlightenment.
--  misologist n.	Not in any way connected to the word management.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Boiling lobsters (was Re: Boiling frogs)
From: kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:00:00 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Bea, I DON'T KNOW if wine/alcohol has the same effect on crustaceans as it
has on us, but it seems likely; after all, rats and birds show a
preference for alcohol and "act drunk" much as we do. 

Ken mitchell
kmitche@eis.calstate.edu
From: valdis@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Valdis Kletnieks)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Lightning and cars (was Re: Lightning and trees.)
Date: 13 Sep 92 10:24:45 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Sep12.222204.2437@klaava.Helsinki.FI> vhalkka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Vesa Halkka) writes:
>And a car is not a very good faraday cage even at tiny voltages..
>radio works pretty well.... I wonder which kind of shock electric
>fields will come from a lightning striking to a car or even 
>nearby.

Well, I suppose the fact that most cars have external antennas
doesn't enter into it?

Anecdotal evidence supporting the idea that a car *is* a good
Faraday cage:  We had a lighning strike in our parking lot a
few weeks ago.  The strike went into the sidewalk 3 inches
(5cm for you Metric types) from the front bumper of a car.
No damage done to car at all - although the strike shattered
out a hole in the concrete about 8 inches wide and 2 inches
deep.

				Valdis Kletnieks
From: bday@athena.cs.uga.edu (bday)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Boiling lobsters (was Re: Boiling frogs)
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:54:09 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


In article <BuH9qH.A3t@eis.calstate.edu> kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell) writes:
>Now, _I_ had always heard (not being a lobster fan) that lobsters that had
>been dropped live into boiling water were a bit on the tough side, since
>the meat was all tensed up when it was cooked. I read once (I've forgotten
>where) that the best way is to put the lobster into a bowl of wine for
>about 10 minutes before you cook it. Then the lobster DOESN'T CARE what
>happens, and, supposedly, the meat is more tender. 
>

Would wine, or other alcohol, really have the same kinds of affects
on crustaceans, or other sea creatures, as it does on humans, and other
mammals?  This is very interesting... What makes alcohol do the things
is does to us, anyway?

(curious!)
+ Bea
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science