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From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: What is a "jake brake"?
Keywords: brake
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: fringe.29aaqB4w165w
Organization: A sure sign of a sick mind.

jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:

> In article <1992Aug26.144306.28162@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (T
> >In article <1992Aug22.170200.11207@access.digex.com>, jimb@access.digex.com 
> >|> 
> >|> 
> >|> They should outlaw those damn things EVERYWHERE...
> >
> >...and when a cement truck hauling 10 yards of wet cement rolls over your
> >little putt-putt at the bottom of a loooooooong 6 1/2% down grade because
> >his wheel brakes have overheated and faded you'll be saying "why didn't you
> >use your Jake brake?". 
> 
> No... I'd say, "Why don't you get a good lawyer, 'cause you're gonna need 
> one."  (Assuming I survived)  I'm sick & tired of seeing idiot
> truck drivers hauling ass with a full load and driving like general
> morons...  Every couple of months around here one of those
> dump-truck-driving Mario Andretti wannabes gets into a (usually) fatal
> rear-end collision with a 4 wheeler.  Not bright.

FYI... Most truck drivers, when filling out job applications, will come across
a section like:

Accidents in the past 10 years:
Fatalaties in the past 10 years:
^^^^^^^^^^

For that matter, a truck driver has to go to school for several months, and
to get their CDL they have to actually prove they can handle what they're
driving. (I mean backup and park, not just motor around the block).  Then,
of course, is the mandatory drug testing, the bi-annual physicals...

As far as Mario wannabes, I don't know how many times I've seen a truck 
trying to follow a car at a safe distance, only to have car after car
cut into his cushion, forcing him to back off farther.  
> 
> My problem with jake brakes is purely the fact that they can be heard for
> several miles.  I don't believe noise is necessary for good braking...

Any engine converts energy from one form to another.  A gasoline engine
converts potential energy into motion.  A brake system converts motion
into something else... Friction brakes convert motion into heat.  Problem is,
after a while you glaze the brake shoes, the friction coefficient goes down,
and they loose effectiveness.  A jake brake system uses the diesel engine
as a compressor, converting speed into potential energy as compressed air,
which is then released, converting the energy to noise.

--
Dean Woodward           |  OK.  Last time.  This is my machine. This is my
dean@fringe.rain.com    |     Opinion.  This is my opinion on my machine.
					  Any Questions?               -me
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: On the metric system...
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.000048.20577@ccu.umanitoba.ca> dscott@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Doug Scott) writes:
>METRIC does include time!

Sure, but time is not measured in units of ten, like the other metric
units.  Noboby talks about a kilosecond or a centiday, for example.


>Hey! what the heck is a SLUG. 

The slug is a unit of mass, which weighs 32 lbs. on Earth.  Before you
say how screwy this sounds, don't forget that the Kilogram is a unit of
mass which weighs 9.8 Newtons on Earth.

(These ratios are based on the acceleration due to gravity, which is a
function of time.  If we were to use units of time such that a Kilogram
of mass were to work out to weigh ONE Newton, and then base time
measurements on factors of ten, we would have true metric time--but it
would have very little to do with the Earth's movement around its axis
and around the Sun.)
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Subject: Emergency Road Service Information Wanted..
Followup-To: poster
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:52:24 GMT



I would like to get a list of addresses/Tel #s of companies that
offer Emergency Road services.

At present I have AAA, but it seems to be a bit expensive ( $100/yr which 
includes spouse ).
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: US using the metric system (WAS: Re: Indy 800)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:57:59 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.

In article <1992Aug26.035604.14860@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:

>you realize that this will have serious repercussions for drag racers.
>somehow, "what'll she do in the 0.4 kilometer?" doesn't sound right.
>and i don't think many people are going to start saying "there's no
>substitute for cubic centimeters."

Oh, come on now!!  There is no reason that something like that has to
change.  Look at the UK-- they still sell their (far superior) beer in
pints (and that's 20 fluid ounces-- four more for the $$).  In Canadian
football, they still measure the field in yards.  The only thing
affected is the "official" system of units, which will be reflected in
speed limits, distances, volumes, etc.  Don't forget that we already
buy soda in 1 and 2 liter bottles, and the displacement of engines is
usually done in liters now....

-JPC

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jpc@philabs.philips.com                                    345 Scarborough Road
(914) 945-6442                                       Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Tailgaters abound!
Date: 3 Sep 1992 22:42:28 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu

>
>Actually, if memory serves me correctly, the law in most states is 
>written so that if you hit someone from behind, for whatever reason,
>you are at fault.  It doesn't matter if the guy in front of you locks 
>up his brakes or whatever -- it's your fault because either you "failed to
>maintain control of vehicle" (as it would say on the accident report), or
>you weren't paying attention or possibly following too closely.  Either way,
>fault is almost automatically assumed by the guy at the rear.
>

If this is the case, how does one evaluate a situation where a chain 
reaction occurred?

Just suppose that 6 cars were involved in a chain reaction accident.   
Does that mean the person 1 can sue person 2 for hitting him from the
rear.  Person 2 sues person 3 for the hit from behind and to cover suit
from person 1?  And the cycle goes on and on....

Isn't there some sort of law/rule which will determine who is at fault?
Or is everyone fined for following too closely?

-Dave
shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu


Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andy Efron)
Subject: Re: Illegal Acceleration?
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andy Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:32:45 GMT

>In article <1992Aug25.055015.14481@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
>tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.171230.18978@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas)writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug17.164537.25359@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jrd@po.CWRU.Edu 
>>>(John R. Daker) writes:
>>>>I wonder about this more often now that I have 0-60 times in the 3
>>>>second range.
>>>Commuting in a top-fuel dragster?  What the hell car gets '3 second range'
>>>0-60 times?  Even if you drive around with slicks, I find it hard tobelieve
>>>that you can get under 4 seconds...  (I don't think most motorcycles can
>>>hole-shot that fast!)
> 
> Dude my 600 CBR does 0-60 in 3 seconds... what planet do you live on???

Turbine Corvette (built by Andy Granatelli, 100% street legal):

0-60, 3.6 secs.

Admittedly not quite stock.  Saw it in an old Motor Trend.

	--Andy





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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: What is a "jake brake"?
Keywords: brake
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:31:42 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <29aaqB4w165w@fringe.rain.com>, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes:
|> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
|> 
|> FYI... Most truck drivers, when filling out job applications, will come across
|> a section like:
|> 
|> Accidents in the past 10 years:
|> Fatalaties in the past 10 years:
|> ^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> For that matter, a truck driver has to go to school for several months, and
|> to get their CDL they have to actually prove they can handle what they're
|> driving. (I mean backup and park, not just motor around the block).  Then,
|> of course, is the mandatory drug testing, the bi-annual physicals...

For those who haven't tried for a CDL (Class A in Calif) there are 2 written
tests, and a road test that takes over an hour.  You make an appointment to
take the written tests.  You bring with you a medical form signed by your
doctor, after he has given you a complete physical.  If you pass both written
tests you can make an appointment for the road test.  For the road test you
must show up in the type of vehicle you want to be licensed for:  ie if you
want to haul duals you better have both trailers with you.  The first step in
the road test is to convince the examiner that you know how to safety check
your vehicle.  The examiner will follow you as you check all tires, brakes,
cables, chains, etc.  Then you start driving.  The first thing you must do is
to pull forward to a line drawn on the roadway.  You lose 1 point for every 6
inches that your front bumper is short of, or over, that line.  Then you must
back up between 2 rows of cones, without touching a cone, for a distance of
50 feet.  Then you hit the road.  You are observed on city streets, highways,
in all types of traffic conditions. 

Even with this testing it is common for drivers with an attitude to get their
license.  And with costs rising almost exponentially, it is very tempting for
younger drivers to try and make ends meet by exceeding their allotted driving
time.  But overall, I would rather drive with a pack of truckers than a pack of
yuppie car drivers.


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: robertk@nsc.nsc.com (Robert Krohn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: What is a "jake brake"?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:06:14 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara

From article <l98ddqINN7bq@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, by geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller):
> 
> 
> In article <1992Aug20.164527.24423@gtephx.UUCP> romanenkod@gtephx.UUCP
> (Dan Romanenko) writes:
> 
>>While traveling through Fredonia, Arizona earlier this month, I
>>saw a sign stating "NO JAKE BRAKES ALLOWED IN TOWN". None of
>>us in the vehicle could guess, so... what is a "jake brake"?
> 
> 
> It's a feature on large diesel trucks that creates engine braking power
> by (I believe) shutting off fuel and turning the engine into an air pump;
> they're very noisy, hence the prohibition you cite.  You might recall 
> having heard a loud burst of noise from a semi going downhill, sort of a 
> BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT! sound.  That's a jake brake in action.  Don't know
> where the name comes from, though.

The name comes from Jacob's Brake. I think this the Company that first
started making them.

robert
-- 

Best regards Robert.
__________________________________________________________________________
Robert Krohn (M.S 16-320)                             robertk@nsc.nsc.com
From: chitwong@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (wong chit)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Insurance Problem :(
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:33:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: chitwong@doc.cc.utexas.edu


  About half year ago, I have a car accident.  In which my insurance company
has already declined the claim of the other party.  However, he tried the
second time and again declined by my company.  Now this is the third time
he is pushing me.  I am very angry since I think it was his recklessness that
caused the accident.  I paid more than $1000 to repair my car and he has 
obviously his bumper to repair only.  I have let the matter finish after my 
first claim. But, Jesus!                     

      Here are my questions:

Is the matter already finished after my company declined him the first time?
Otherwise, doesn't it mean that he could keep claiming against me as many 
times as he want?
The paper from his insurance company ask me to give my insurance company's
name which I have given them already.  Otherwise I have to pay the amount
they want.  My insurance just expired this month.  If I change a new comany,
Should I go to the new insurance company or the old one?

Thank you all for your help.  

From an incensed person.          
Patrick.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: teek@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Prateek Dwivedi)
Subject: Cobra radar detectors
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:55:44 GMT

Hey,

I just asked this in the vw conference... but thought more would know here.

I have just purschased a Cobra Stealth 3 band radar detector.... are these
things actually Stealth from detector detectors?  I live in an area where
radar detection is prohibited and the police use these detector detectors.

Just a note... in talking to Beltronics... the detector detectors only work
in a range of 200 yards.  Great in the day time... you can see them. But at
night there's no chance.

OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) have started sitting in their cars with their
detector detectors on only (ie. no radar) so you have no chance. Stealth is
the answer.

Anyone have info on laser (as OPP started using them as well)?

Thanks

-- 
Teek (Prateek Dwivedi)
From: pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: What is a "jake brake"?
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:40:47 GMT
In-reply-to: dean@fringe.rain.com's message of 29 Aug 92 20:11:00 GMT

dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes:

     Any engine converts energy from one form to another.  A gasoline engine
     converts potential energy into motion.  A brake system converts motion
     into something else... Friction brakes convert motion into heat.  Problem is,
     after a while you glaze the brake shoes, the friction coefficient goes down,
     and they loose effectiveness.  A jake brake system uses the diesel engine
     as a compressor, converting speed into potential energy as compressed air,
     which is then released, converting the energy to noise.

Agreed except that you do not have to make noise.  All you need is a good
muffler.  The muffler for normal driving is designed for deriving condition
and is not good enough for breaking.  I guess when "jake brake" is banned by
enough localities you will see better mufflers.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: ham@wam.umd.edu (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
Subject: On the metric system...
Keywords: metric system
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:59:37 GMT

I read the article in the Washington Post yesterday, immediately after coming
back from a 9-day trip in Canada, which does use the metric system.  After 
about 40 miles - I mean kilometers - of driving, I found myself watching 
the little blue numbers on the speedometer (km/h), although I found the
concept of distance a little difficult to grasp (still had to convert km 
to miles to get a true realization of how far away we were). 

A potential problem is that gas will be sold by the litre - $1.20/gallon
equates to about 33 cents a litre.  Cheap, compared to Canada's 60 cents
a litre, huh?  Seems that gas stations raising the price of a gallon by 
a cent isn't a big deal.  But if you raise the price of a litre by a cent,
the price of gas goes up about 3.785 cents a gallon.  And don't think that
gas stations will have ANY problem doing that.  The opportunity to gorge the
consumer abounds!

Yes, it will be a difficult transition.  I'm only 23, and I don't know if I
will ever be able to gauge how heavy a 1-kg bag of flour is, other than,
"This weighs about TWO POUNDS."  My car gets:

30 mi/gal * 1.6 km/mi * 1 gal/3.785 l = 13 km/litre and at 100 km/h covers
a kilometer in 36 seconds.  

The United States and Liberia (a U.S. colony for freed slaves, started in 
the late 1860's) are the ONLY countries in the whole world still using the
English system - even the English have abandoned it!  Guess I'll go drink
my 250 ml of milk and go get gas because my tank is down to 9 litres.  The
station is only 1.7 km away, and at 50 km/h (posted limit) will take about 
two minutes to get there.

Scott - Who better than our generation to usher in the Metric System - 
        It's going to happen eventually, and better us than our kids.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: Runaway Truck Lanes (was Re: Mountain driving and brake failure)
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:51:23 GMT

In article <BtxI9r.IsK@xcluud.sccsi.com> paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher) writes:
>of the twisty-turny downhill runs there were signs indicating "Runaway Truck
>Lanes."  They appeared to branch off the main road and into a lane full of 
>gravel.
>
>How does this work?  Is it a pit of deep gravel designed to make the truck
>sink or is that 30 to 50 feet of gravel supposed to stop a runaway vehicle?
 ^^^^
Paul -  don't give me such straight lines.  I may not be able to resist!

OK, they are big gravel pits - usually a couple feet deep - designed to slow
down a truck in a hurry.  Usually (but not always!) they're placed so the
runout is on a uphill slope.  I believe those that are all downhill have
deeper gravel and are longer.

Think of trying to run in deep, fine sand or gravel - you need to use a
lot more energy to move a given distance.

>
>We're flatlanders.  It was a novelty to us :)

I thought all Texans spent their winters in Colorado telling everyone on the
slopes how much better Dallas, Houston, etc. were than anywhere else! (8-^)



kbq
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         )
Subject: Re: What is a "jake brake"?
Keywords: brake
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:26:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.170906.23424@access.digex.com> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:

>>...and when a cement truck hauling 10 yards of wet cement rolls over your
>>little putt-putt at the bottom of a loooooooong 6 1/2% down grade because
>>his wheel brakes have overheated and faded you'll be saying "why didn't you
>>use your Jake brake?". 
>
>No... I'd say, "Why don't you get a good lawyer, 'cause you're gonna need 
>one."  (Assuming I survived)  I'm sick & tired of seeing idiot
excellent mentality.

>truck drivers hauling ass with a full load and driving like general
>morons...  Every couple of months around here one of those
>dump-truck-driving Mario Andretti wannabes gets into a (usually) fatal
>rear-end collision with a 4 wheeler.  Not bright.
every thirty seconds a passenger-car-driving wannabee gets into a 
(usually) fatal rear-end collision with another 4 wheeler. Not bright.

>
>2. My problem with jake brakes is purely the fact that they can be heard for
>several miles. 1. I don't believe noise is necessary for good braking...

Well, 1. You're wrong and 2. Who cares. 




Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jak@cs.brown.edu (Jak Kirman)
Subject: Objects falling from vehicles
Reply-To: jak@cs.brown.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
	<jimf.714754185@centerline.com>
	<1992Aug30.181406.4622@access.digex.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:22:27 GMT

A number of years ago I was driving my car in France with a windsurfer
strapped to the roof when the front strap broke.  The windsurfer was
ripped from the roof, bounced on its tail just behind my car, and
bounced *over* the car behind me.  Ironically, had she not been driving
closer to me than she ought, she would probably have been hit by it, or
at least run over it.  It taught me how much force gets exerted on those
things...

                         Jak Kirman                        jak@cs.brown.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On the Continent people have good food; in England people have good
table manners.
                                      -- George Mikes, "How to be an Alien"
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Flashing to Pass: An Observation
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos.driving, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>In article <23947@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) wri
>tes:
#>As for backups, try a truck accident at the beltway on i-95 north. The
#>backups have been reported to start in Frederick, which is approximately
#>45 miles south of the beltway. Or yesterdays twin accidents on the beltway,
>          ^^^^^
#>causing two sections of 17-25 mile stopped traffic, as the beltway was
#>shut down in 2 places. (this was a first in 3 years for me)

>that's funny, i could have sworn i drove north from d.c. to frederick
>yesterday.

Whoops, Fredericksburg. But then, you'd know this, being from the area.
:)

Ron

Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Illegal Acceleration?
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:04:00 GMT

In article <94610@bu.edu> antoniou@buitc.bu.edu (George Antoniou) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.055015.14481@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.171230.18978@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug17.164537.25359@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>>>I wonder about this more often now that I have 0-60 times in the 3
>>>>second range.
>>>Commuting in a top-fuel dragster?  What the hell car gets '3 second range'
>>>0-60 times?  Even if you drive around with slicks, I find it hard to believe
>>>that you can get under 4 seconds...  (I don't think most motorcycles can
>>>hole-shot that fast!)
>
> Dude my 600 CBR does 0-60 in 3 seconds... what planet do you live on???

8^)  Yeah.  And my (slightly trick) GSX could easily break 3 seconds.
I wanna CBR1000...  Hmm..  If the 600 does it in 3...  Argh...  >8^)


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