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From: bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White )
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: MDMA and self-esteem
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:15:28 GMT
Organization: Ohio University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec15.155220.10088@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:

> I forgot to mention in my post about MPTP, that it is a dopamine
>neurotoxin whereas MDMA is thought to be a serotonin neurotoxin.,

That brings up a question .... are there any recorded cases of human
neurotoxicity with 5,7-dihydroxytryptamine or 5,6-dihydroxytryptamine?
(Both are potent selective serotoninergic neurotoxins).  I mean, if you
kill off the neurons in your substantia nigra you end up with Parkinsonism,
but I was wondering what would happen (probably behaviorally) if you
killed off your dorsal and median raphe nuclei neurons.
All I can imagine is that the poor person would be depressed to the point
of nonfunctionality (then again, maybe also tripping, if 5-HT1C neurons
were killed off).

>St. Anthony


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From: bell@beethoven.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:46:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Dec13.101825.6642@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.014708.23150@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>}Clinton was not my choice for President, but he's a better choice than
>}Bush.

>Perhaps, but not on the grounds of any enlightened views on drug policy.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, but Clinton's debate answer on
drugs was actually more enlightened than that of Perot or Bush.
Unfortunately I cannot quote verbatim, but he said that he didn't think
legalizing (something like) harder or more addictive drugs was a good idea.
There was sufficient leeway in his answer to think that he might consider
legalizing "softer" drugs.

If any of you have the actual text of his answer, if you could e-mail it
to me I'd appreciate it.

  Andrew Bell
  bell@cs.unc.edu



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: kevin@elvis.wicat.com
Subject: Elvis, again
Organization: WICAT Systems
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:52:47 GMT

Has Elvis left the building?


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Explained: Mock Marij. License
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:30:23 GMT

In article <Mf=XFlq00Vp_EM5XQk@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>This is all very good.  But, right now , people are using marijuana,
>which is illegal, completely, and totally.  They are breaking the law. 

Not only that, they pay high prices to break the law.  

>A rather big law actually.  What you (or someone) propose with the
>license is, make a smaller law to replace the big law.  Probably the
>penalty for not having a license while having/growing pot won't be
>nearly as big as the penalty for having/growing pot now (if you're
>caught).  So my point is, if people are used to years of totally illegal
>use, what's going to make them pay 50 or $200 per year to avoid the
>lesser consequences, when they've been paying nothing for years with the
>danger of being caught with the present laws?  No, I don't smoke pot
>much, I'm just totally incoherent.  Does anyone get my point?  Can you
>state the idea more clearly?  Thank you very much for your time and
>thoughts, but save your flames for later.

If James smokes $50 worth of pot every month, he spends $600 per year.  He
can't grow it at home without fear of losing everything he owns.  With the
license, he could grow his pot in his own garden.  He might spend $20 on
fertilizer and water.  With a $200/year license, that would save him
$380/year.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:01:21 -0500 
From: Michael Hamilton Walker <mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: brownies

Does anybody have any good recipies for brownies?

I have no idea if I should be "coy" about what kind, but people reading
this bboard should know what I mean.

please reply direct via email

thanx

Mike Walker                               |The bigger the cushion
mw5e@andrew.cmu.edu        |The sweeter the pushin'
YARG!!!!		                    -Spinal Tap
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:13:05 GMT

styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo) writes:
: 
: Wouldn't that be at the same depth you'd have some problem with the nitrogen
: as well. Anyway, that's about the place where the partial pressure of oxygen
: would be getting too high. (Ie. unless you're diving in a lake, or maybe a
: deep well, that's really high up in the mountains, but then you'd probably be
: busy looking for daytime stars.)

If I recall correctly - problems with nitrogen narcosis occur before they
encounter toxic effects from oxygen. 

... delided ...

: (While we're at it, how much pressure will a wet-suit take before it's useless?)

It won't become useless. The pressure inside and outside the wetsuit is the
same. They rely on the poor heat conductivity of water to keep you warm, not
on any insulating ability of the suit itself.

Bill
From: honig@ruffles.ICS.UCI.EDU (David Honig)
Subject: Re: The BOOK: Psychedelics Encyclopedia 3rd edition
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:09:58 GMT."
             <43@widget.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:56:12 GMT

Hi, the info I have (a flyer from AHF) doesn't list an ISBN.

the 2nd edition is put out by J P Tarcher, part of Houghton Mifflin Co,
ISBN 0-87477-231-1.   But I don't know about the third edition.  Sorry.
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Shrooms
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:18:38 GMT
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121

In article <1992Dec17.203334.19226@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>: 
>: I'm pretty sure that shrooms don't grow in late fall/winter.
>
>You are misinformed. There are mushrooms that grow, even after the  
>weather has turned freezing and there is snow on the ground.  Look
>up pleurotus - for example. There are others, known as "snowbank
>mushrooms" that fruit near the edge of melting snowbanks.
>
>Bill

So I've learned, from the large volume of mail I've received.. Heh. Thanks 
though, for clearing that up.

-- 
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(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
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From: honig@ruffles.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:20:31 GMT

 billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:
>: >
>: >If you are referring to nicotine, then yes, it DOES carry a MUCH-MUCH-MUCH
>: >greater risk than does LSD.  Nicotine is poison.  I believe (not sure) that
>: >anything more than a drop of pure nicotine will kill you.
>:
>: Yes, nicotine is an awful poison.  A drop of _pure_ nicotine has been
>: known to kill a person in 15 minutes.  I don't have a reference on
>: that, though...
>:
>: But think about it for a second...  if you swallow even a little juice
>: from chewing tobacco, you are not going to be a happy camper.  Even if
>: you smoke a couple of cigarettes in a row fairly quickly you'll get
>: nausea (unless you've been chain smoking for 15 years...).  It's sort
>: of your body's way of saying "I hate this shit!"
>
>It would appear that you have never used tobacco - or really observed
>people who do.
>
>I know a couple of smokers who smoke two or three cigarettes - as fast
>as they can inhale, when they take a smoke break. One of them has been
>smoking for less than a year. No nausea or dizziness - it is surprising
>how fast the body can adapt to poisons.
>
>The people who chew absorb quite a bit of the nicotine through the gums.
>I doubt if there is much nicotine that gets spit out. The one person I
>know who uses chewing tobacco says that he swallows some of the juice on
>occasion. He says it is no problem. It is a problem if he has a cud in
>his mouth and swallows that.
>
>Bill
>

Agreed Bill that experienced users of pharmaceuticals can self-titrate
to their own satisfaction.  Every smoker who says, "I'm fine" attests
to that.  Or drinker.  But eating a couple of cigs is not a smart
thing to do.  Its less dangerous than inhaling some plutonium oxide,
but much more viscerally dangerous than getting carried away with
cannabis, acid, or even the highly seductive drugs like speed and coke.



--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: US takes WOSD to Somalia
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:42:15 GMT

civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:

>Radio NZ reported this morning that a US marine commander in Somalia
>said that Khat was considered contraband and was being confiscated.

   In that case, there will be plenty for the marine boys to chew...
Hey, maybe the war is a side issue and what the US is actually doing is
extending its drug war to this side of the Atlantic! I can hardly wait to
see them committing air raids on Turkish poppy fields. What's next? Oh,
when they've gotten rid of all the drugs on the planet, they might as well
move on to other crops. How about opening up the European market for
American agricultural products? Screw that GATT crap - do it the American
way!
--
Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
		  Religion is the DMT of the masses.
From: loophead@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Old LSD
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:34:44 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

What does LSD (blotter) break down into after say 3 months, 6 months, a 
year?  What are the side effects of these chemicals?  What are the best 
methods to prevent breakdown i.e. cold, dark anything else?  I've always 
wondered.  Regarding some of the comments on dosage, I've always felt 
that there were different effects at about 3 different levels (that I've 
known about:) less than 100mics kind of speedy, stony no big deal.  
100-250/300 a very nice cool trip great for dancing, music listening etc. 
 300 and up to 800? (2 hits of 4-way that I thought was regular 100) is 
definately a different thing altogether and really my preference.  these 
are amounts without tolerance, mostly:)  Also, any comments on street 
doses in the good old days vs. today

__________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Ephedrine Reduction (was RE: Ephadrine)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:00:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.064509.1873@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
> Although I am certainly no authority and have no place to judge, it never
>stoppped me before so I must sya that your response to that person's most
>was just about as ignorant as his. 

Actually, based on your posts and from some e-mail, I'd say that you
are more informed on these subjects than a lot of chemists I've worked
with...You also seem to have mastered library research, and that's
something that I wish a lot of the 'weekend chemists' who post to the
net would do before they post.

>					It is my guess that this is a VERY
>common method of producing  meth: from epedrine via reduction. I'll site
>some references for the hell of it too:

[refs deleted]

Seems like an easy way to me too, but the original poster had a point
that the amine group could be reduced as well.  Hmm.

> Furthermore amphetamine can be rather easilly prepared from phenyalanine.
>(Repke, D., J Pharm Sci 67, 1167 (1978). 

This seems like an obvious method... One look an phenylalanine should
send any would-be meth chemist bonkers.  It would require lab skills,
though.

>  But none of this means that any schmuck can go find a lab and make this,
>of course...

Yeah, I'd like to see some untrained chemist try and synthesize drugs
via publicized methods [e.g. Shulgin's book.  (Lithium Aluminum
Hydride?  I'll just pop down to wal-mart and get some.  Inert
atmosphere?  No problem.  :)]

-Howard (Chemist, Programmer, Denture Wearer)


ok, I lied about the dentures. :}



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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bierbach@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Fried Brain on Acid
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:38:12 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

OK, now, a reliable friend told me that he just talked to a friend of 
his from home last night. It seems that this FOAF, an experienced 
tripper, took a couple of hits two weeks ago and he is still 
incoherent and unable to read a book. Now, this reminded me of two 
acquaintances of mine from home who in June each took eight hits of 
while blotter acid, and were still trailing in August. When I go home 
I will find out if they are still trailing. (BTW-- I had two hits of 
the same acid with no lasting effects at all at the same time in June) 
The question is, is is possible for people to literally fry their 
brains on LSD, and if so, is it permanent? I have heard several 
theories on this, the most common being that it is not caused my 
impurities in the acid, but rather that these people have taken an 
amount of acid that has caused them to somehow finally snap.
					Jeremy
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                     bierbach@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U))
Subject: Re: Marijuana article in local paper
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:16:27 GMT


     I can't believe all the hassle that the government puts into busting
all the marijuana growers/sellers.  It's completely rediculous, not to mention
irritating.  I have NEVER had a problem getting it, and I don't imagine I ever
will.  I have heard that the "new age" of growing pot is in barns, sometimes
using hydroponics (?) which is growing it upside down so that all the THC
runs down into the leaves.  I don't know how easy this is to do, or if it
really makes a difference in the THC content, but any input would be appreciated
very much.
     If the government spent all the money they now spend on busting Mj growers
on welfare reform, or homelessnes, or something constructive, this country
might be a little better to live in!  Oh well.... C'est la Vie!

-----=====*****> Mike
 

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: What drug is Internet most similar to?
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:54:27 GMT

jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Cherney) writes:
>David A. Honig writes
>> >What drug is Internet most similar to?
>> Alcohol.  There's lots of it, and it makes you stupid.

>Well... 
>LSD: The Net is nothing at all like reality and alters your perception of everything.
>Pot: You lose track of time while you're on it.
>Speed: You stay awake for LONG periods of time while you are on it.

Khat:
"This stuff makes crack look like candy".    (Lard Copy)
From: honig@ruffles.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: LSD and violent behavior. Yes.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:43:21 GMT

 ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
>"Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>Though far from complete, LSD studies indicated that incertain, more
>>>or less unpredictable, personality types, a bad trip can trigger a
>>>primary psychotic episode. This means someone prone to psychoses,
>>>ranging in severity from a basic 'freak-out' once in a lifetime, to
>>>full-blown schizophrenia, COULD have the disorder triggered early
>>>when they take a powerful psychedelic.
>
>>I see the link between LSD and becoming psychotic or schizophrenic...
>>but I've never seen much of a link between schizophrenia and violence.
>>I'm not saying I'm right or wrong.  I just haven't seen a link.
>
>Schizophrenics aren't inherently violent, however they are prone to
>violent behavior from time to time, depending on circumstances. In a
>full-blown psychotic episode, a schizophrenic can be quite dangerous
>to his or herself and to others. Again, it's not an inherent problem,
>more something that is facilitated by the disease.

Sure, confused people can be frustrated and violent.

A properly managed lsd trip has only as much confusion as the tripper
wants.

>>Didn't deinstitutionalization of large numbers of schizophrenic people
>>occur because, among other things, they really weren't that dangerous to
>>anyone (they just couldn't function in the same world as most people)?
>
>If you mean the mass deinstitutionalization of the 1950s, THAT had to do
>with a lack of funding and sympathy for abandoned schizophrenics. Actually,
>it was more in the 1960s.... these are the people who live in the subways
>and streets of major cities across the country. Nice legacy, America. No,
>these people are generally not violent, they also are generally not
>responsive or mentally present. They are malnourished, etc, and probably
>wouldn't have the spirit or energy to be violent even if they were prone
>to such behavior.
>
>--John Rescigno
>Dept. of Psychology
>Clarkson University
>Freezeyourbutt, NY

The deinstitutionalization had to do with new drugs that would allow
the hardcores to leave the hospitals.  IFF they remembered to take
their drugs.  But they forget, or don't like to, and so revert, and so
become street people.

Not lack of sympathy, not lack of money, but technology that didn't work
as well as it might.

Anyone for implantable antipsychotics?  (No, not involuntary ones..)




--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mch6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Huitzilopochtli)
Subject: Re: Blind People and Hallucinogens
Reply-To: mch6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:21:19 GMT


Well, i can only speculate, but it might be a real let down after the trip for someone who has lost his sight after having been (at some time in their life) able to see.  A fairly depressing prospect, or maybe not?



This is a great question for people who have always been blind.  what mental images do they conjour?  

paz, Huitzilopochtli


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:57:36 GMT

(rec.pets.cats (huh?) removed from Newsgroups: line)

In article <sf=2q6m00iV445H9dw@andrew.cmu.edu> sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy) writes:
>Please, let me know how to take an illegal drug "wisely and responsibly"
>  I'm quite interested.

The same way you take a legal drug "wisely and responsibly." What the hell
do written words on a piece of paper (which is all a law is) have to do
with responsible use of a substance???

Really, breaking down drugs by "legal" and "illegal" is stupid. Anyone will
tell you that two "legal" drugs, alcohol & nicotine, to which MANY deaths
have been attributed, are a hell of a lot more dangerous to mind and body
than a lot of "illegal" drugs, most specifically marijuana and the
psychedelics, to which NO deaths have been attributed.

--Erik

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.slack
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Strychnine
Followup-To: alt.slack
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:32:23 GMT

BoB@mwowm.com wrote:
: The LD-50 of strychnine is 5 mg/kg.  In other words, for the average human to DI
: 
: oops too much 'frop
: 
: any way, for the average human to DIE from strychnine ingestion, about 320 mg of 
: of strychnine would have to be ingested.  That represents 3200 average hits of acid, assuming they were PURE strychnine.
: 
: Now, since a) lsd isn't ever gonna be pure poison, b) no one would ever do 1/100 as much as that anyway, and c) all this rat poison talk is pure Urban Legend,
: no one has anything to fear from blotter acid.
: 
: -J.R. "BoB" Dobbs

  Hrrmmph.  I knew "BoB" Dobbs.  I smoked 'frop mixed with strychnine,
yage, and LIVE cane toads with "BoB" Dobbs.  And you, sir, are no
"BoB" Dobbs.
    -- Clifton
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:55:48 -0500 
From: "Aaron R. Miller" <am49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
	<1992Dec13.195240.7466@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>

On 13-Dec-92 in Re: UL: Monumental LSD over..
user Derek Tearne@nezsdc.icl. writes:
>Of course this must be put into perspective.  The overdose level of Alcohol
>(for most people) is something like 3/4 of a bottle of whisky.

 i should hope not! or my nine lives would be used up by now.

aaron
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