From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: Re: Vote for 3rd party/no-party candidates!!!
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:43:53 GMT


In a previous article, ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Omar Smith) says:

>Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Oct-92 Re: Vote for 3rd party/no-p..
>Ronda Hauben@yfn.ysu.edu (2878)
>
>
>> In a previous article, markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark T. Schmidt) says:
>
>> >
>> >
>> >   Clinton? I saw three speaches by Bill in the last 4 days. I think his
>> >   strategy is promise the world to everyone. --> Health care for 
>
>> BUT Clinton leaves out WHO produces the WEALTH i.e. the worker
>
>> Clinton has no program for shortening hours of work and raising
>> wages,
>>  giving workers more say in their unions so they can deal
>>   with the trade union officials who act like overlords 
>
>So, you're dissappointed that Clinton won't promise to make America even
>less productive and competitive by lowering total work hours and
>increasing labor costs.  And your also upset that the government won't
>> regulate unions so that their leadership has even less power.
>
America industry will become *more* productive, not less
if tthere are shorter hours of work mandated by the govt in the U.S.

That was the expereince in England when the shorter hours legislation
was passed. Workers can be more productive if they work fewer hours.

Higher wages function the same way. Its the workers who produce the
wealth in the U.S. By their having better working conditions, there
is more weazlth produced.

Both Clinton and Bush and Perot as well stand against this historical
lesson - that's why the campaign is useless -there is no VOICE
allowed to speak for the truth.

>> So Clinton has NOTHING to offer the largest portion of the population
>>  the workers
>> >
>> >   Bush? He comes from a different, yet still wicked angle.  He thinks 
>> >   that the FED is the solution to every problem, including international
>> >   problems. He thinks he can attain the New World Order by funding the
>> >   World Bank and getting all countries under one currency (and eventually
>
>> BUSH is continuing the economic program of the Reagan years - 
>> EVERYTHING for the monopoly corporations who are holding back production
>> to get high prices.
>
>> Supporting them attacks the WEALTH of the nation and so the country
>> is continually poorer.
>
>So, the nation as a whole gets richer if its largest producers pursue
>> policies that bankrupt them.

The policies that are bankrupting industry and the U.S. are the speculation
that has developoed from the attack on workers living standards and 
the attack on labor regulation. 

Thus big corporations are now taking out their labor saving machinery -
and going back to backward hand labor. That is what is bankrupting
the country - the attack on govt. regulation by the highest officials
in the govt.

Thus there is rampant speculation and the country is getting poor and 
poorer.


>
>> >
>> >  I [may] not agree with a word you say, 
>> >  but I will defend to the death your    
>> >  right to say it.                       
>> >                     - Voltaire         
>
>> Voltaire's Program is the key to an economic program that will help
>> deal with the problems.
>
>> It was the priniciple that guided the SEARCHLIGHT the local union
>> newspaper of the Flint Sit Down strikers and the other union pioneers
>> in Flint -
>
>> They had an uncensored press in which they criticized their trade
>> union leaders and they had a shop news section which provided real
>> information about what was happening on the shop floor.
>
>> The newspaper was uncensored from 1942 when it started (50 years ago)
>> until the International Union censored it in 1951.
>
>> In their newspaper they explained why higher wages DOESN'T lead
>> to inflation but leads to better conditions for workers and for the
>> whole country.
>
>> I'd love to hear this one
Only if there are higher wages is it cost effective to put in labor 
saving machinery.

Labor saving machinery means that each item can be produced
with less labor and thus 
more can be prolduced and it costs less to proeduce it.

Thus labor saving machinery which is the result of higher wages lowers
inflation because it makes goods available more cheapely.
>
>> They criticized the lean, mean management philosophy which
>> GM was trying to impose in 1946-8
>
>So, they were in favor of bloated, lazy management?  Looks like they got
>> their wish, and look what it did for them.
No lean management is the opposite - it is lean wages
 and bad working conditions 
and bloated management which is inefficient.   
>
>> When workers had a VOICE the terrible economic problems of 1946-8
>> which were severe problems like now - could be solved.
>
>You mean the largest boom in American history was a time of economic
>> trouble?????  46-48 was a huge production boom in America.


No 1946-47 was a time of scarsity of produ cts - very high prices,
 factories were being clsoed because of shortages, etc.

>> They were the people that saw what was really going on on the 
>> shop floor of the largest factories and they told the world
>> and they clarified that the problem was that there was
>> MODERN TECHNOLOGY so it was possible to go forward but there was
>> BACKWARD MANAGEMENT which meant that there was always something trying
>> to pull things backwards.
>
>So, a lean, mean management will do whatever it can to avoid
>> implementing new technologies that help the company move forward.


That's right - no automation or investment in machinery is the essence.

>
>> So its good to see Voltaire's Quote again - it is the path to an
>> economic program that will deal with the real problems.
>>                    Ronda
>
>Voltaire's quote has almost nothing to do with Economics.  but I'll
>agree it is a great quote.  Strange, but the only economic philosophy I
>> can really see that quote fitting with is Libertarianism too.
>
>> >

>
>It's hard to believe in this day and age that there are still people who
>honestly believe that socializing America will add prosperity.  Almost
>no nation that has undertaken a socialist agenda has benefitted from it.
> Even the Chinese are abandoning socialist economics in favor of
>capitalism.  Socialism doesn't work, and is counter-intuitive to all
>human psychology.

You can call workers having rights and livable wages whatever you want -
that was not what the Eastern Europe represented - but the opposite -
The U.S. is going in the same direction as Eastern Europe in 
its efforts to make life impossible for its workers and the result
will bve the same - the same kind of restructuring that destryed 
govts in eastern europoe is what is being done here in the U.,S.
under the name of "lean management" - 

 
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