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From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: Amtrak and cold weather
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:03:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad

In article <8853@orbit.cts.com>, rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
wrote:
> 
> MRH@tdkt.kksys.com (Dan McNulty) writes:
> > Because of the severe cold weather in the upper midwest region, Amtrak's
> >Empire Builder has discontinued its route of service temporarily.  Bus
> >service is being used to transport people who were stranded when service
> >came to a halt.
> 
> And then there is the rest of the story. 
> 
> The Empire Builder *is* being run from Chicago to Minneapolis. 
> The train is being annuled west of St.Paul. Passengers traveling 
> from Chicago to Portland or Seattle are being transported on the 
> Pioneer. Other passengers are being offered a refund or rescheduleing 
> their trips. Helluva way to run a railroad isn't it?
> 
> Roumer also has it that the 'Builder is also being run from Seattle and
> Portland to Spokane, and annuled east of Spokane. Is there any truth 
> to this?
> 
> -- Dan Meyer
> 
> Remember: " Buffalo never Oink " Seen on a South Dakota travel brocure.
> Advertisment: Try the Railway Post Office , a railfan BBS ! (612) 377-2197.
> UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!rambler
> INET: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org

The problem is not the cold, but the snow!  The had anywhere from 2 - 6
feet (or more) of snoq in a very short period of time out west.

Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
From: matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au (Matthew Geier)
Newsgroups: aus.rail,rec.railroad
Subject: New South Wales Rail Transport Museum Tour
Keywords: tour
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 10:08:21 GMT
Organization: Desolation Road Railfan BBS

 Im reposting this - some may have seen it already , but this never
arrived at my work - probably due to news problems at Sydney Uni
over the holidays. ( Parts of our network were not working all
that well..) These problems may or may not have stopped wider
distribution of the orginal message.

The New South Wales Transport Museum presents -

    Inter-City Explorer

 An all lines ticket for a day of Express Inter-City Electric travel.

    Saturday 17 Feburary, 1993

Featuring:     * Express Air conditioned Double Deck Inter-City private 
                  special train
               * Optional 'Contura' longe car travel
               * Dapto - CityRail's newest electric destination
               * Sydney Goods line and North Shore line
               * Bownenfals -rare electric journey to the end of the 
                  western wires
               * Express through the Central Coast to Newcastle

TimeTable:       Departure from Strathfield and Central around 7.00 am,
                returning to Sydney Terminal at 8.30pm

Refreshments:    Light Snacks and cold drinks will be available on board. Why
                not pre-order a Lunch hamper to enjoy as we travel - fresh
                sandwiches, cake, fruit and fruit juce. Stops will be made
                for refreshments at major centres during meal times.

'Contura' Class: Indulge yourself for a day on board the CityRail 'Contura'
                double deck Lounge car. Great views from comfortable armchair
                seating.
		 Optional fare surcharge $20.00

Fares: Adults $80, Members $75, Children $40, Family(2+2) $210

 Enquiries to (+61) 2 744 9999 ( 9am-4pm Mon-Fri)

 Im just a member of the RTM who gets the mail outs . If you want further
details call the RTM.
 ( I also work on their Steam Hauled tours - but there is no work me on
this one as its SRA rolling stock, not Museum stock. Ill be a paying
passenger like the rest...)

-- 
Matthew Geier,
matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au   |  Desolation Road Railfan BBS and Dialup Unix
matthew@cs.su.oz.au (Quicker)  |  (+61) 2 718 6996 ( Ringback )    
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From: sws37449@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven W. Salzman)
Subject: Re: CGW (was the Tunnel thread)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:50:05 GMT

wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill) writes:

>Thanx to all who responded to my question! The machinations of railroads'
>corporate owners are fascinating, to say the least. My next question would
>be: Why are some of the components of a large merger left some independence,
>whereas others lose their identity entirely?

>An example of this would be the Burlington Northern merger of 1970, in which
>Burlington "independently operated" subsidiary Colorado and Southern kept
>its corporate identity until 1982, with units painted BN but with small
>letters (whose size and location kept changing!) C&S on the cab. And then,
>C&S subsidiary Fort Worth & Denver had ITS own lettering and numbering (which,
>in the case of yard switchers, almost caused a couple of wrecks).

This is a tough one that I don't have the answer to, but I have a couple
of guesses.  First, the equipment may have been purchased using equipment
trust certificates, which entitles the holder to the equipment in case of 
default on the loan.  The holder loans money to the railroad to purchase
the equipment, and is repaid, with interest, until the expiration of the
certificate.  The certificate specifies the railroad and piece of equipment
that it is being issued for, thus, it is difficult to change this.  So, I 
would presume many roads just let it stand to say CGW, C&S, FW&D, WP and
others long after their roads disappeared. But that's just a guess.

Steven W. Salzman
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
sws37449@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak and cold weather
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:45:06 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn) writes:
>In article <8853@orbit.cts.com>, rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
>wrote:
>> 
>> MRH@tdkt.kksys.com (Dan McNulty) writes:
>> > Because of the severe cold weather in the upper midwest region, Amtrak's
>> >Empire Builder has discontinued its route of service temporarily.  Bus
>> >service is being used to transport people who were stranded when service
>> >came to a halt.
>> 
>> And then there is the rest of the story. 
>> 
>> The Empire Builder *is* being run from Chicago to Minneapolis. 
>> The train is being annuled west of St.Paul. Passengers traveling 
>> from Chicago to Portland or Seattle are being transported on the 
>> Pioneer. Other passengers are being offered a refund or rescheduleing 
>> their trips. Helluva way to run a railroad isn't it?
>> 
>> Roumer also has it that the 'Builder is also being run from Seattle and
>> Portland to Spokane, and annuled east of Spokane. Is there any truth 
>> to this?
>> 
>> -- Dan Meyer
>> 
>> Remember: " Buffalo never Oink " Seen on a South Dakota travel brocure.
>> Advertisment: Try the Railway Post Office , a railfan BBS ! (612) 377-2197.
>> UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!rambler
>> INET: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org
>
>The problem is not the cold, but the snow!  The had anywhere from 2 - 6
>feet (or more) of snoq in a very short period of time out west.
>
>Steven Cohn
>Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
>CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM

It was my understanding that the snow was a problem down on the SP in northern
California. Does anyone know if the california zephyr had any sort of trouble
like that of the builder?

-- Dan Meyer

Remember: " Buffalo never Oink " Seen on a South Dakota travel brocure.
Advertisment: Try the Railway Post Office , a railfan BBS ! (612) 377-2197.
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad,alt.radio.scanner
From: Jon.Biddell@unsw.edu.au (Jon Biddell)
Subject: Re: Amtrak police frequency?
Organization: University of NSW
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:30:48 GMT

>
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This looks vaguely familiar.... WHere did you get it from, Hmmmm ???

Jon




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From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 21:35:36 EST
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:

> And for that matter, how do you think diesels generated steam for the
> heating system?
> 

Well, Baltimore & Ohio "DP-x" units (EMD E's and F's, I guess) used oil
fired boilers.  And they were reportedly troublesome to maintain.

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From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Wisconsin Central power on the Wheeling?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:21:00 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

Has the Wheeling & Lake Erie purchased some Wisconsin Central
power?  I drove through Glenwillow OH today, and the Wheeling
job tied up there (5-day-a-week railroad, you know) had a locomotive
in Wisconsin Central paint.

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From: FAFES@livid.uib.no
Subject: Good relations?
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:29:53 EMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Our steam loco no 255, ten-wheeler build in 1913, is just
recently restored in Bergen, Norway, along with two wooden
coaches from 1921 and 1924. Our goal is to establish a steam
railway on a closed line which at the present time has some
damages which has to be repaired.

The financing are dependable on NSB's (Norwegian State
Railway's) permission to repair the permanent way, and this
permission is in some extent dependable on financing. (Catch
22?)

We have some difficulties in making the NSB's administration
enough interested in our project. We think that there will be
a benefit for NSB, but this is not easy to prove in advance.

Has any railway administrations around the world said anything
officially or unofficially about the good relations or the
benefit from veteran steam railways? Maybe a quotation list
would be one of several ways to go.

Any help will be highly appreciated.

Norwegian Railway Club (NJK)
Ivar Gubberud
Manager

E.mail: gubberud\nsd.uib.no
From: phys58@jetson.uh.edu (Hortvet, Douglas Richard)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: HO scale of the Empire Builder locomotive
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:49 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
Keywords: Model information - Empire Builder
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

My knowledge of the many classic steam passenger locomotives is limited, and 
the 'table top' book I have on steam trains either does not have a reference to
or contain info on a train named "Empire Builder".

I would like to identify what models are available (HO scale or larger), kit 
or ready  built. My intended use is display only, so a powered unit is not 
necessary.

From what I have seen, the Marklin line would most likely be out of my 
price range - maybe not.

Any information/guidance is appreciated.

Thanks,

Doug
From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Unusual Trackage (Was: Unusual tunnels?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:46:30 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

Bill Gripp writes:

>> From maps, there appears to have been a reversing loop at Harmon, NY on
>> the NYC, however I don't recall seeing one there.  There seems to be
>> some evidence that one existed just north of the shops.  Anyone know
>> when this was removed?

There was a loop at the north end, which crossed the main line on a bridge.
I've seen pictures of Hudsons and other locomotives on the loop bridge.  It
was removed many years ago.  I don't recall ever seeing it personally.

-- BT
From: stevray@stsci.edu (Don Stevens-Rayburn)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Runaway tracks?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:24:25 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Originator: stevray@sol.stsci.edu


The 4.4% marks this as "The Big Hill" leading from Field, British 
Columbia to the summit of the Kicking Horse Pass (the continental
divide).  In the 1920s, the 4.4% grade was reduced to 2.2% by 
cutting a pair of spiral tunnels into Cathedral Mountain and Mt.
Ogden.  The Spiral Tunnels were discussed in the "Unusual Tunnels"
thread a few weeks ago.

Before the spirals were cut, every half mile or so along the
hill, a stub track left the down-bound main line and cut sharply
up the side of the hill.  Operating rules required that the 
turnout always be left lined for the stub.  Both upbound and
downbound trains had to stop at every turnout and line the switch
for the main.  After passing over the switch, the train had to stop
again and the tail end brakey lined the switch for the stub again.

Therefore, unless a downbound train was capable of stopping (and
many weren't), it would be diverted away from the main line onto
a stub with an upward grade of as high as 12-15%.  The hope was
that that would stop the train before it ran out of stub.

It didn't always work.  The Canadian Pacific lost a lot of good
equipment and people to the Big Hill prior to the Spiral Tunnels
(and some even after).  There is at least one steam engine from
the era around 1910 still quietly rusting away at the bottom of a 
steep several hundred foot slope below the ROW.  Even going up the 
hill was not without its difficulty; at least one steam engine worked
so hard it blew up, killing the engineman, fireman and head end 
brakey.


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From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: Railroad Tycoon for the Atari ST bug?
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:22:56 EST
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: johnh@borland.com's message of 5 Jan 93 21:06:56 EST

In article <1993Jan6.020656.21687@borland.com> johnh@borland.com (John Haskey) writes:

   p.s.  Try building a signal tower before you've built a station.  Loco's appear
   out of nowhere!

I have the Mac version.  Agree on all the obsessing; I got mine for
Christmas 1991 and have logged many late-night hours...  There don't
seem to be too many bugs in this version, but I did bump into this one
early:

Before I understood about dynamiting the stations I don't want any
more, I tried rebuilding a station into a signal tower to eliminate
it.  This caused all sorts of confusion in the mouse interface to the
maps used to set up train schedules, and other odd things as I recall.

I wish there weren't a limit of 30 (or whatever it is) stations...

I also wish it would let you really take over a RR you have bought out
(connect to their track, and schedule their trains, etc.).  Anyone
ever retired as Prsident of the US (or Prime Minister)?

Minor bug: you can't get a subsidiary to build to another city (I
think this describes the bug - I'm hazy on it).

Toot-toot,
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From: wagner@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: ANOTHER STEAMER GONE IN CANADA
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:04:40 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

Well, we Canadians do it again....

Royal Hudson (Hudson Class, allowed royal nomenclature due to having been
the unit that pulled the last Royal Train accross Canada) ran daily excursion
service between North Vancouver BC Canada Squamaish (same province) has fallen
to the axe of the taxman.

For those not familiar, this unit ran up our coastline, by way of a tunnel
on daily service during the summer.  One could take the train up and a boat
back some of the best coastline (almost as awsome as Alaska) every day during
the summer.

This unit and others were the children of a fellow by the way of Bob Swanson,
who invented the AirChime whistle.  His lifetime goal was to get his whistles
on every locomotive in the world (he's late 80,s and still doing it).  He and 
a bunch of buffs got together, rebuilt this unit and gave it to the province
to be used.  Unfortunately no-one in the present government has any sense of
nostalgia, so it appears it will be mothballed.

Anyone wishing to protest the removal of this venerable old beast and all she
stands for should send a missive to 

	Province of British Columbia
	Ministry of Tourism
	Parliament Buildings
	Victoria, BC, Canada
	V8W 2Z2

73, TOM

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: where are the MU receptaclese?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:22:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

I'm trying to figure out where the MU receptacles are on NYS&W SW9 #120.
Apart from the fact that as an even-numbered engine, it should, by
the NYS&W's numbering scheme, have MU capability, the latest Railpace
mentioned that it was used in a lashup lately.  However, from the
pictures I've seen, I can't spot anything in any of the usual spots.
Are MU receptacles ever in the pilot?  In some of the photos I have,
I can almost persuade myself that there's something raised slightly
from the black pilot.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC TRANSIT
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:20:08 GMT


By now you are getting the idea that there are quite a few
of us are traction fans of various sorts.  I grew up in
(gasp!) California and saw the last electric operations on
the Sacramento Northern at Yuba City/Marysville.  The 
Bay Area Electric Railroad Association museum near Rio
Vista was a favorite family outing.  I also spent many 
pleasant hours in San Francisco riding the Muni PCCs.  While
I no longer have any traction models, I did have a small
SN freight layout--with wire (which was its downfall).  Now
I'm into 1st generation diesels, but still have a fondness
for electrics, especially the SN, CCT, TS and OT.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: TrailBlazer Technologies DMT Trainsets
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:29:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.40
Originator: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1i9rleINN915@uwm.edu>, by dave@convex.csd.uwm.edu (David A Rasmussen):
> Associates, formerly President of the CSS&SB, invited Chris Walker,
> WisDOT, and myself for a lunch meeting with John S. Gallagher Jr,
that's Chris Thompson, not Walker, who was representing TGL International Inc,
although he does or has worked for WisDOT.

heh, correcting myself already... :-)

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From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:24:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Unusual Trackage (Was: Unusual tunnels?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

In rec.railroad, billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
> 
[Lots of stuff deleted]
> 
> 2) At Bay Head on the NY&LB ( CNJ/PRR 50/50 ) there was a reversing loop
> so that power did not have to be run arround the train.
> 
> More well known is the reversing loop under Grand Central Station (NYC).
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                  Quite a few of the narrow guage
                  railroads here in Colorado had
                  reversing loops, then known as
                  balloon loops, for the purpose 
                  of turning helpers. One that 
                  comes to mind is Otto Mears'
                  first Silverton effort, the
                  Silverton Rail Road (yes, its
                  name appeared with Rail Road as
                  two words on passes.
> 
> From maps, there appears to have been a reversing loop at Harmon, NY on
> the NYC, however I don't recall seeing one there.  There seems to be
> some evidence that one existed just north of the shops.  Anyone know
> when this was removed?
> 
> I seem to recall that maps may also indicate a loop at Sunnyside Yard.

 
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From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 equalization?
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: equalization
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 12:47:42

In article <4150010@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> spangler@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bill Spangler) writes:

    Did 0-6-0 engines generally have 3-point equalization?   If so, which
    drivers were generally paired, and how were the linkages run side-to-side?

Model Railroader had an article on steam locomotive equalization
quite a while back ('70s?), and they said that standard USA practice
was to cross-equalize the front driver axle, and fore-and-aft
equalize the two rear drivers on each side.  I think some of their
steam loco plans have included frame drawings.  You could also check
the Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia.

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