HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tgingric@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tyler S Gingrich)
Subject: Newsgrazer & Mime, etc.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:35:31 GMT

[lots of arguing about NG, Mime, and other stuff deleted]

Okay folks anybody want to direct me to enough information/sources to write
an NG clone that uses Mime as it's fundamental posting mechanism??  Anybody
want to help me write one??

How about we form a group, collaborate on a solution (ala the FSF) design the
back-end to be fairly machine independent & offer it to other groups to put 
their mac/pc/sun/amiga/etc front-ends on it.  Of course the source code would
be released under the FSF copy-left agreements - that way nobody will have to
buy this functionality.

Primary Design Goals

  - Machine Independent Back-end
  - Text stripped & placed on the front of the message like NG 
  - At least NG functionality for the NeXT interface 
  - Use/support standard file formats  
  - NeXT version will be able to read NG but will only post Mime 
  - please email me with other "features" you might like to see added

Of course, we'll probably be continually flamed for allowing lots of folks 
around the globe to gobble up bandwidth.  Oh well.

---
Tyler Gingrich				(614)292-7211
tyler+@osu.edu

PS: Hey Mark, you seem to be the Mime expert -- care to help with the back-end?

PPS: If you have an idea for the name/icon for this puppy, email them to me &
whoever joins the programming effort can help me pick.  Unfortunately, 
NewsGrazer is already taken -- it's such an descriptive name.  Quite elegant
actually.
From: et@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT used in Def Leppard video?
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:20:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s0d56INNq20
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

Def Leppard has a new video, "Let's Get Rocked," and it contains a bunch
of 3-d type animation.  They have what look like animated shots of a computer
screen.. which looks NeXT-ish.  (I don't have mine yet, so I can't compare.)
They open some windows ("Virtual Audio"?) and stick some boxes together with
lines (IB?).. well anyway.

I guess this is sort of like that "Was that a NeXT t-shirt in the Bud ad?"
thread... :-)

Eric
From: mao@harsof.hard_soft.co.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: DAT drive summary(somewhat long)
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:20:26 GMT
Reply-To: mao@harsof.hard_soft.co.at
Organization: Hard + Soft NeXTcenter, Vienna, Austria

In article <1992Apr1.185051.21502@ohsu.edu> filibert@vista (Daniel Filiberti)  
writes:
[Stuff Deleted]
> Microtech (2yr warranty)
> 	Eclipse 2.0T (2.0gb w/ compression)	$2999 list
> This drive comes with a tape, cleaning kit, cable, and RunningBack
> software for the NeXT.  It uses WangDAT internals.
> 
> PLI (1yr warranty)
> 	2.0gb PL DAT				$1749
> This drive comes with Retrospect for Mac and enTar for the NeXT,
> and I assume the usual hardware, but am not sure.
> 
> I won't recommend any of these drives over another, but I
> will say that I opted for the Microtech Eclipse, mainly
> because of the dedicated NeXT software, 2yr warranty,
> and compression.  Also, with ed discount, the prices were
> very reasonable.  Personally, I found the Microtech
> salesperson very friendly, knowledgeable (actually
> able to answer my questions) and willing to spend some
> time with me on the phone.
>  
> 	I hope someone finds this useful,
> 
> 		Daniel
[Stuff deleted]
> --
> ************************************************************
> Motto for a monitor, "It's better to burn out, than to fade
>  away..."  [8?)}
> ************************************************************
>  
> Daniel Filiberti
> Oregon Health Sciences University
> Biomedical Information Communication Center (BICC)
> 3181 Sam Jackson Park Road
> Portland, Oregon  97201-3098
> email:  filibert@ohsu.edu
I'm not sure how Microtech answers your calls "over there", but they where  
close to rude to me when I wanted some information about the RunningBack  
software. After two 15 min waitings, I just stroke that firm off my list. They  
may have good hardware/software, but their infolines aren't any good!

BTW. We have used a WangDAT for over a year now, without any special software.  
Only GNU tar in crontab and it just works...;-)
Greetings
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From: Tim.Buck@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tim Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: DOS/NeXT question
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:49:10 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

>
>try tr (you can find it in the man pages..)   It was ment to translate
>or delete characters in a stream.
>
>tr -d \015 < somefile > somefile without lf's

Actually, it's
	tr -d '\015' < somefile > somefile w/o lf's

(The quotes are important).

--
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:35:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.210235.23356@u.washington.edu> MRC@Panda.COM (Mark  
Crispin) writes:
> THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT.  Your news reader does not support
> MIME.  Perhaps you should get new software.
> 
I see this discussion has reached the juvenile point.  I'm sorry.  Perhaps you  
should check the group you're posting in, it's comp.sys.next.misc.  It's about  
NeXT and NeXTstep.  The discussion has been revolving around wether it is  
appropriate to use a NeXTstep based news reader, and poster.  Mime is not at  
the present, an issue.  If there were a NeXTstep MIME grazer available, then  
posting in that format would be appropriate.  But, in either NG, or MIME,  
posting a non-relevant, 730k message would be, and is, WRONG.

> Unlike NewsGrazer format, MIME is an emerging standard that is widely
> implemented on many different machines.  Perhaps you losers who only
> have NewsGrazer can't read it.  Sorry.  It's your problem.  I guess
> NeXT is destined to fall behind SUN, DEC, AT&T, and all the other
> vendors who have adopted MIME.
> 
> [In case you haven't figured out yet, this is intended as an object lesson
>  to the "I will post RTF and if you can't read it, tough" crowd.]
> 

Pretty juvenile reasoning.  You are just trying to fan a fire, and you know it.
And if you'd look, you can read NG posts, only without the formatting.  Much  
more easily than that mime stuff you posted.  Score one for NG.

> --Interpart.Boundary.Qdjbh920M2Yt4L5uUD
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Here are the infamous Telephone Chords, the world's premier (=only) 
> all-Bellcore barbershop quartet, singing about MIME.
> 
> Left to right: 
>                             John Lamb, bass 
>                          David Braun, baritone 
>                          Michael Littman, lead 
>                       Nathaniel Borenstein, tenor 
> 

(730k of waste removed)

>  -+-+-   | -++-  --|--    /__ Mark ("Gaijin") Crispin "Gaijin!  Gaijin!"
> +-|-|-+ -+-++++  +-|-+   /  / R90/6 pilot; DoD #0105  "Chigau. Gaijin ha  
omae."
> +-+-+-+  |\||||  |===|  /  /  Atheist & Proud         "Boku nihonjin da mo."
>  --|--  /| |/\| -+===+-   /\  (206) 842-2385/543-5762 "Sora. Yappari gaijin  
da"
>   /|\    | |__|  /   \   /  \ FAX: (206) 543-3909
> Hee, dakedo UNIX nanka wo tsukatte, umaku ikanakute mo shiranai yo.

You even have one of those long, self-ego stoking, .signatures that use up so  
much bandwidth

Jim De Arras
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: peer@ccrma.stanford.edu (Peer Landa)
Subject: Re: NeXT used in Def Leppard video?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 01:42:35 GMT


Michael D Mellinger writes
> 
> In article <s0d56INNq20@agate.berkeley.edu> et@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric  
Thompson) writes:
> 
>    Def Leppard has a new video, "Let's Get Rocked," and it contains a
>    bunch of 3-d type animation.  They have what look like animated
>    shots of a computer screen.. which looks NeXT-ish.  (I don't have
>    mine yet, so I can't compare.)  They open some windows ("Virtual
>    Audio"?) and stick some boxes together with lines (IB?).. well
>    anyway.
> 
> Looked like an SGI to me.

It is a SGI running amesh.

-- peer
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: PixelMagician ships !!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:24:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.210207.17811@newshost.lanl.gov>  
tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan) writes:

$ In article <1992Apr13.195357.1359@bacchus.com> bacchus!eric (Eric  
Bloom) writes:
$ > Pixel Magician, a universal picture file viewer and translator  
for NeXT computers [...]
$ > has a suggested retail price of $299 

$ Am I the only one that thinks this is incredibly overpriced?    
[...]
$ nearly all these conversions can be done with stuff that is  
$ free from the net.  

Get GraphicsWorkshop (the latest version) from the Archives (for  
free).


By the way, I object to the blatant commerciality of the original  
post. It should have appeared in csn.announce and/or comp.newprod.  
There are guidelines regarding this. Just MHO.
From: farach@lawrence.rutgers.edu (Martin Farach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Multiple copies of OS3.0 == multiple licenses?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:32:18 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: /climax/u2/farach/.organization

Dear net world,

I have a question that would best be answered by a campus rep, but
Rutgers doesn't have a campus rep!!!

Anyway, I just bought a Color NeXT station so I'll be getting a copy
of OS3.0 with that.  Furthermore, I'm thinking of getting a CD-ROM
drive some time while they're still bundled with OS3.0.  This should
give me 2 copies of 3.0.  

My question is, can I sell one of those copies?  Will the person who
buys the upgrade be able to register with NeXT?  Will having 3.0 even
require regestering with NeXT?

Thanks in advance.

Martin Farach
--
Martin Farach			farach@dimacs.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Neuron
From: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us (Glenn Rempe)
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:54:20 MST
Reply-To: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us
Distribution: World,local

 writes
> In article <1992Apr10.021606.22137@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis  
A. Mamakos) writes:
> >In article <1992Apr9.122331.25664@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip  
McDunnough) writes:
> >
> >>Moreover I don't see anything like remote Appletalk for the NeXT.
> >
> >What about SLIP?
> 
> Hmm...you need to have a dedicated line for the most part. Appletalk will
> work remotely in a portable way. However, your point is well taken.
> 
> Philip McDunnough
> philip@utstat.toronto.edu


Why do you say that you need a dedicated line?  It is nice to have a dedicated  
line for SLIP but not necessary at all.  I don't have a dedicated line for my  
2400bps SLIP link, I bring it up when I need to send mail or read news.  The  
rest of the time, the store and forward mail mechanism at the server holds my  
mail untill I log in.  Furthermore, I see no reason why SLIP (or PPP) won't  
"Work remotely in a portable way"  If you can get yourself hold of a NeXTstep  
486 laptop, or simply if you move your station from place to place (Luggable?   
:-) ) you can connect as easily as you do at home or work.

Just one man's opinion...

Glenn
--
rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us

GLENN D. REMPE
UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA
NeXTMAIL WELCOME!
SEND ME YOUR PICTURE.tiff
From: lloyd@Axecore.COM (Lloyd Buchanan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: the Oracle $495 special
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:27:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: Axecore.1992Apr7.202744.4744
Organization: Axe Core Investors, Inc.


Has anyone taken advantage of the Oracle $495 special for the NeXT?

I ordered this  "promotional special" from Oracle.  Its a bit of a problem.
I talked to three people at Oracle, Eric Berridge, Brian King and 
John Whitney.  Each had a slightly different view of what came
with the package.  Not a problem, as all agreed that the basic server software
with the transaction and procedural extentions and the C precompiler came
with it along with 30 days of support.

I received some things I didn't expect, such as an undocumented report writer,
and did not receive other things I did expect, such as the 30 days of support.
The lack of support is particularly annoying as I quickly ran into a problem
and then ran into a brick wall trying to fix it.

Anyone know what

"ORA-06503: PL/SQL: error 0 - PL/SQL Check #21904. Please inform your Oracle
  Representative"

means?
-- 
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Axe Core Investors                      uupsi!axecore!lloyd
Axe Castle 	                        (914) 333-5226 (phone)
Tarrytown,  NY  10591                   (914) 333-5208 (FAX)
From: vhs@darkcube.radig.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:19:50 GMT
Reply-To: vhs@darkcube.radig.de

In article <1992Apr9.200738.18240@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.192303.1809@newshost.lanl.gov> tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd  
M.  
> Swan) writes:
> 
> Neat TIFFs.  Isn't the preferred method of distributing such things
> though the ftp archives, though...

Yes, probably. But I don't have FTP access and I don't even have a chance of  
getting anywhere close to one. Maybe if someone would open an email account  
where you could mail things to put on the archives, that would solve the  
problem.

Is that feasible? Or does it exist already?

--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@darkcube.radig.de)

If I had intel inside(tm), I'd throw up...
From: markk@sundew.uk.mugnet.org (Mark Konkol)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Student discounts - cheapskate weasels should count there blessings
Date: 31 Mar 92 00:36:21 GMT

Well, I really hate the fact that my second posting to this conf is going to
be a flame, but I just couldn't turn the other cheek on this.
Sorry, all...

In article <1992Mar30.054542.24644@cs.brown.edu> rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) writes:

(lots of polemic deleted)

So a student studies only to make his country more competitive and a
businessman works only to make money? I think not! Perhaps this applies to
some (student and otherwise) doctors, lawyers and various species of yuppie,
but what about all those who do it for the simple reason that they enjoy it?

An excellent example of this is the Atari community - there are (still!) a
few people who write _very_ nifty software (that has greatly eased my own
programming nightmares). And yet the return on their time is pitiful. The
market may want what they're producing, but the market is too small. Why do
they persist? Obviously, as you suggest, they are fools and incompetents who
need lessons in business (again) and not people who just think they're doing
something worthwhile for a community they enjoy being part of...

I think the lesson for the NeXT community is obvious. Non-mainstream systems
_need_ small developers to keep them alive by writing 'cool' software. Large
companies will always go where the profits are, but smaller ones can go where
the fun is! (this has all been said 1E6 times already...)

Please don't insult small businessmen by tarring them all with the same
brush as MuckySoft, or their intelligence by painting students as all being
altruists! I don't believe that there can be any argument that, per computer
sold by NeXT, the ones that go to small software businesses generate a _lot_
more revenue for them in the long run than do the ones that are sold into
academia. So think yourself _damn_ lucky to be getting these huge discounts!
_We_ don't!

> The bottom line...

'Hobbyists' need to eat, too, when the hobby is full time!

> ... If you don't earn enough then change your situation and don't bitch.

I refer you to your own .sig :-)

> ...
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists
> in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the
> unreasonable man."   G.B. Shaw   |  rca@cs.brown.edu or antony@browncog.bitnet

Personal Pet Peeve of the day: dogmatic usenet posters :-)

   oo		markk@sundew.uk.mugnet.org
//\~~/\\	markk@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:53:25 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr8.195244.22829@newshost.lanl.gov>
tms@twins.lanl.gov writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.181710.25962@cs.yale.edu>
>nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F.  Janette) writes:

>I'd be careful Nathan.  You are getting close to "sef"
>status.  (Although, I will admit you do back up your
>arguments, unlike Sean.) :-)

Looks like general warfare is about to break out.  It could
be avoided by a little temperance all around.  Your remark
about Sean is unwarranted (factually incorrect, too) and a
classic example of the cheap shot.  The threat to Nathan is
Nathan, not any approximation to Sean or anyone else.  My
guess is that all but a tiny number of the readers here
would find mostly self-impeachment in the majority of
Nathan's remarks.  I accept what he says, that he *thinks*
he's provoking a general airing of issues, though it seems
to me it's possible to do that without extravagances of the
type he seems determined to indulge in.  Well, different
strokes for different folks.  The discussion isn't going
anywhere, probably can't go anywhere.  Maybe the best thing
to do is dismiss it and get on to more useful things.

-- 
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From: pitakc@minnie.ee.pdx.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Availability of Maple V for NeXT.
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:40:10 GMT
Reply-To: pitakc@minnie.ee.pdx.edu ()

I just received the following mail from Waterloo Software.

>From wmsical!dsraimdo@watmath.waterloo.edu Sun Apr  5 13:40:46 1992
Received:  from watmath.waterloo.edu by snowhite.ee.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-client-evision:  
1.15 

        id AA24061; Sun, 5 Apr 92 13:40:42 PDT
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          id AA18809; Tue, 31 Mar 92 09:24:15 EST
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 92 09:24:15 EST
From: wmsical!dsraimdo@watmath.waterloo.edu (Dave Raimondo)
Message-Id: <9203311424.AA18809@wmsical>
To: pitakc@snowhite.ee.pdx.edu
Subject: Maple for the NeXT
Status: R


Maple V for the NeXT is now ready for shipping. The academic price for
a single cpu is $595 US plus shipping and handling.


David Raimondo
National Sales Manager
Waterloo Maple Software
160 Columbia Street West
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Phone: 519-747-2373
Fax:   519-747-5284
E-mail: dsraimondo@Maplesoft.on.ca



I think this might be interested by people who are wating for this software.

Later,

Pitak
From: SAMcinty@exua.exeter.ac.uk (Scott McIntyre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Compuserve and NeXT
Date: 1 Apr 92 18:02:39 GMT
Organization: NeXT Campus Consultant


Is it possible to access compuserve from the Internet?  Is there a 
telnet source for it?  Unfortunately, the connection charges in the
UK for communications are rather high, and a inet connection would
be a lot cheaper since I've already got the connection to that..

Also, is there a compuserve interface around?  I know there are 
programmes for the Mac and the IBM, but has someone written one for
the NeXT?  Maybe I should try, shame I can't programme....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: toon@moene.uucp (Toon Moene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: GUI's versus TVs (was Re: SEF did it again)
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:04:29 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Apr11141947@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott  
Hess) writes:
> In article <FOX.92Apr11090050@graphics.nyu.edu> fox@cs.nyu.edu (David  
Fox) writes:
> >In article <SCOTT.92Apr11024138@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott  
Hess) writes:
> >
> >   <A GUI is to a command-line as a TV is to a book>
> >
> >Take this anti-NeXT propaganda to comp.editors.ed!  :)

OK guys, I'll admit I know nothing about US television, but I know for  
sure I won't pay the equivalent of $ 300 for buying a TV set and $ 50 for  
legally watching it (hey this is Holland :-). I have a NeXT; I can read  
newspapers - so what else do I need ? (You guessed it - a CD ROM with the  
Encyclopedia Brittanica). And don't try to sell me a car - physicists  
don't believe in these inefficient means of transport; bicycles have a 99  
% kinematic energy conversion coefficient (Well, this is only just aside  
of this article's main line :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: knelson@cs.umn.edu (Kenneth Nelson)
Subject: CD players vs. CD ROM drives
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:31:50 GMT


How do I connect a CD player up to a NeXT Dimension?  Can I make a CD
player look like a CD ROM drive? (expect answer is no).  What is the 
format of a disk for a CD player?

Thanks,

Ken
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Kenneth L. Nelson
knelson@cs.umn.edu

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