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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:40:14 GMT
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale, CA.

In article <1992Aug17.174007.15313@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
|> In article <LAUNCE.92Aug13121750@apollo.med.utah.edu>
|> launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
|> >My understanding was that many of the heliski runs were of Vail Back
|> >Bowl variety [tm], i.e. gentle ego-builders for the well-heeled but
|> >perhaps not particularly talented Bogner/LaCroix/croissant & espresso
|> >set. :-) 
|> 
|> ... Most of the runs are in terrain which is not as steep as controlled
|> resort runs.
My limited experience (1 week with Kootenay Heli-skiing) does not confirm this.
A very significant number of the runs we skiied were quite steep (comparable to
Squaw's West Face) and were nicely treed. The only consistently moderate
slopes were the open bowls and glaciers. I was told that there are steeper
open slopes that they do ski but during my week there a weak layer 2-3 feet
under the surface had us spending most of the time skiing the trees (fine with
me, more interesting skiing anyway).
|> 
|> >   > It's obnoxious to X-C'ers in many areas 
|> >
Since I ski exclusively on pins and have in the past (prior to marriage and
the birth of my son) skiied extensively in the backcountry, I certainly would
feel the same way. In BC I saw no backcountry skiiers - the areas we skied
seemed to all be at least one day's ski away from the nearest trailhead.
I understand that the Wasatch heli-ski operations ski a lot of terrain near
the established resorts (e.g. backside of Snowbird). Why is this? I would
think that there is a lot of good terrain only slightly further away that
would be more aesthetic (i.e. remote) and equally exciting to ski.
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:29:30 GMT
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Denver

In article <634@dwp.la.ca.us> carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.162022.1607@advtech.uswest.com> jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi) writes:
>>In article <SSH.92Aug13073254@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>>>You're likely to *love* Steamboat...
>>>--
>>>Steve Hultquist                                      ...a rippin' kinda dude...
>>>"No, really, you don't want to ski Colorado..."                     Boulder, Co
>>
>>
>>no no no no.  Ski Vail.
>
>
>I for one am really sick of these kind of replies.  After reading
>several hundred, they loose any cuteness or cleverness or snideness
>that they implied at one time.  If you don't want people to ski your
>favorite state, county or ski area, then a resounding silence will
>have the most effect.  If you want to add value to this group, take
>time out for a thoughtful reply.  People need information, not hot
>air.  If you really want to discourage people from coming try enacting
>severe growth restrictions and insisting that resorts enforce reasonable
>daily lift ticket limits. 
>
>There.  I've said it. Now flame away.
>

no flame.  just this.  it's summertime here in the northern hemisphere.
those of us who are lucky enuf to have access to snow/glaciers/whatever
can indeed strap on the boards and do it.  the rest of us have to wait
till the snow flies. or goto new zealand.  or chile.  sadly enough, those
last 2 options are not open to me.  i have to strap on the skis and tromp
around my basement.  as far as "these kind of replies", well, phoo.  as 
i stated above, it's summer.  we gotta blow off somehow.  ok?  ok.

cheers,

	-john
From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:49:09 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) writes:

> I have a question for all you experienced skiers out there:
> 
> What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
> on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
> and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?
> 
> - Clive    (mcdd1.uucp!clive@uknet.uucp)

Flat light still has a bluish cast to it so something like a yellow will
bring up the contrast by making the bluish shadows "darker."  Also consider
a rose tint although I've not been very impressed with anything I've tried.

Rick

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Knees. . .
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:41:19 GMT

In article <qVcgPB3w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
>>                                                               Taos #1
>> [_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_
>
>Er, ANSI characters in a .signature file is rather tough on folks who don't
>support them.  <g>

ASCII, Rick.

Actually a useful test to learn about the different news systems out there.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Ex-ANSI member.
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Salida, Colorado--Monarch Ski Area?
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:26:51 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Dear netters,

My parents are getting a cabin in Salida, Colorado.  Monarch Ski Area
is right near there (18 miles).  I've never been there.  How is it?
I do know that the vertical is not all that hot (1000 feet).  Anyone
been there?

I'm working on the ski report script.  Let everyone know about it later.

Go Chiefs!!


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From: cp1t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christian A. Pegher)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Knees. . .
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:29:42 GMT
Organization: Senior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

You know, with all of these posts talking about different ways to tear
your ACL (Anterior Cruciate Ligament - for those of you lucky enough to
never have heard of it), I may never get back on skis.  

I tore my ACL, and did some Cartilidge damage to my knee on "Cascade" at
Killington in January, and I'm still not 100%.  I'm definitely going
skiing this winter, but I'll be sure to take it real easy.  

Is it really that easy to injure your ACL?  What about re-injuring it? 
Am I at high risk?  Should I (in addition to leg strengthening) invest
in a knee brace?

From Grant Robinson's post, maybe the moral of the story IS that if you
ski long enough, you'll blow your ACL.  But I've only been skiing for 6
seasons!  Maybe this means that it won't happen to me again. (I wish!)

Christian A. Pegher
Student of, but in no other way affiliated to:
Carnegie Mellon, INC.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: SCHROEDE@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:42:18 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <397@mx1> clive@mcdd1.uucp writes:

> What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
> on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
> and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?
> 
the yellow and smoke lenses that oakley makes are really great.
others may disagree...you might also want to use yellow or amber
goggles that way when (i guess if) you bite it you don't have to wipe
the lenses.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:55:51 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 01/7
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: dlumby@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Lumby)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Austria/Switzerland Ski Area Questions
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:27:52 GMT
Reply-To: dlumby@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Lumby)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <18AUG199213211901@arecibo.aero.org>, terwill@arecibo.aero.org (Bill who?) writes:
|> Can you tell me what resorts will have the best snow in Austria and
|> Switzerland on Wednesday, February 10, 1993 at 10:22 pm PST?
|> 
|> Seriously,
|> 
|> My wife and I are planning a little European vacation in early February.
|> We want to visit Vienna and Geneva and get a weeks worth of skiing inbetween.
|> We will fly into Vienna and the plans from there are TBD. All of us
|> Americans have heard of Innsbruck but I have heard the Kitzsbuel (sp?)
|> is a better area (I consider myself an expert and teach skiing to all
|> forms of handicapped skiers and my wife is a good intermediate skier.)
|> I will buy a can of mace for the Italians and French who like to crash the 
|> queues so I guess what I am interested in is any suggestions or experiences.

Austria and Switzerland have litterally dozens and dozens (may be a hundred)
of resorts in total. Several are small and only worth a 1/2 days skiing,
others are huge and could easily keep you interested for a week or more.

I guess your best bet would be to get hold a ski resort guide. One
particular guide published in the UK is "The Good Skiing Guide", the last
year I bought the guide was 1990 and the ISBN of that book was
0-340-50352-1. It's published by the Consumers' Association, 2 Marylebone
Road, London, NW1 4DX. If you can't get hold of such a guide in the US then
try giving the Consumers' Association a call.

Things to consider -

o 10th Feb is pretty much peak season for skiing in the Alps. Many Austrian
resorts suffer from poor lift capacity from the village resulting in long
lift queues at the start/end of the day. Best to pick a resort with a good
lift system.

o Most of the skiing in the Austrian Alps peaks at about 6000-7000 ft and
consequently snow cover can be poor in a bad year. If you plan booking your
trip well in advance then you would do well to choose one of the higher
resorts. You could also consider a resort where glacier skiing is available
close by.

Personally I've only skied in Austria at the very start of the season
(pre-Xmas) so I havn't experienced the problems of long lift queues first
hand. However, friends who have skiied in Austria during February/March have
talked of waits in excess of 1hr to get the cable car out of the village in
the morning.

The things I think you will like about Austria are -

o Great scenery
o Beautiful villages and hotels
o Good prices (compared to say France or Switzerland)
o Friendly people
o Mountain restaurants with _metal_ cutlery and real plates - no caferterias 

Hope this helps,

	Dave
Dave Lumby, Software Maintene[e]ance Group, Software Technology Division, BT
Research Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, UK
Phone:  +44 473 642613
E-mail: dlumby@axion.bt.co.uk
"I don't mind valid criticism, as long as it doesn't come from other people"
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:15:20 GMT
Organization: The New Frontier

In article <SSH.92Aug13072559@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>According to Snow Country, Whistler will cut greens and blues on the south side
>mid-mountain (Redline and Quicksilver chairs).  No changes at Blackcomb.
>
>BTW, Whistler/Blackcomb beat out Vail in this year's Snow Country reader
>ranking to become the number 1 North American ski resort.

no no no no.  Ski Vail.

(insert tongue-into-cheek - hiya Eugene :-)
From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Utah Recommendations Requested
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:18:36 GMT
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA

My wife and I are seriously considering taking our 3 1/2 year-old son
to Utah during the first week in January for some skiing. While single,
I skied and stayed at Alta twice and would love to take the family there
this winter were it not for the expense. The current plan is to drive
there in our 4wd Subaru wagon to save money and give us a little extra
flexibility (I realize that once there that UTA can get you pretty much
anywhere you'd want to go).

I'd like to get the advice and opinions of rec.skiing in a number of areas.

What areas offer good lessons/snow-play for my son?

Is staying in Heber a reasonable alternative to SLC? I imagine its a lot
more rustic and more cost effective too. Apparently you can get to Sundance
from Heber; how does Sundance compare to Alta (95% of my Utah skiing has
been at Alta).

Any particularly good condo (studio) values in the canyons or, for that matter,
in SLC or Heber? How about hotel rooms? 

Thanks in advance for your help.
From: johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley)
Subject: Inline skates (was Re: Banff)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:31:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Followup-To: rec.skiing

In article <1992Aug13.212916.5573@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org 
(Stephen J. Okay) writes:

>I've seen more than a comment or two on here about Rollerblades, but nothing 
>really
>substantive, so, a question:

>How many of you out there have Rollerblades(or inlines skates if you really 
>want to be
>picky) and how many of you use them for keeping in shape during the offseason?

I made one of those comments, so I must be one of the guilty.  I have an old
pair of Zetras, with steel racks, even.  Grew up on hockey skates, so I have
them set rockered instead of flat.  Keeping in shape?  Well, uh, I dunno.
They're just fun, although not as much as they used to be since I can't
reasonably use them for transportation any more, because I can't take them
into anyplace I might want to go.  I keep having to take them off before
entering business establishments, which is a real pain.

>Did you shell out the $$$ for the skiing model or just a regular pair?

Regular pair.  I guess I don't know what the "skiing model" is.  When I 
bought mine, they were the *only* model.  No wristguards back then either,
which is why I type with my nose ;-).

      John Cooley

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Roberts)
Subject: Steamboat
Reply-To: jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1992 20:55:19 GMT

How are the blues and greens at Steamboat?  My wife and I are trying to come up
with a good deal for the end of December (when our nephew can come along).  Our
nephew will probably spend lots of time on the greens (first trip) and my wife
and I rarely venture past blues [my skill-level and her old injuries :-)].
Anyway, that's one of our choices and I haven't been there before.

Thanks,
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Organization: Senior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:44:03 -0400 
From: "Christian A. Pegher" <cp1t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Knees

I too would like to know if knee braces do help prevent injuries on the
ski slopes.  

Unfortunately, I already screwed up my knee, so now I'd also like to
know what kinds of braces there are out there that can help my injured
knee.

please send any responses to cp1t+@andrew.cmu.edu

Thanks in advance.

Christian A. Pegher
Student of, but in no other way affiliated to:
Carnegie Mellon, INC.
From: 6623630@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: BAY AREA SKIERS INTERESTED IN JACKSON HOLE TRIP
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:07:29 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

Any Bay Area Skiers interested in going to
Jackson Hole 1/30 - 2/6, 1993.  Please
send me e-mail!  Great Group price $719.00
includes r/t air, 5 day lift, condo!
Deposit required A.S.A.P........
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Banff
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:52:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.161314.11639@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes:
>I am still somewhat of a novice snow-skier.  What exactly is heli-skiing?

Theoretically, you get in a helicopter, and go ski untracked powder some
palce in the back country.  Of course natural alpine conditions exist,
and you may end up with something less than ideal.  Also, heli-skiing
is not cheap.  If you are on a budget, you might also look at 
snow cat skiing, or just hiking.  Note that for the later, you 
should understand snow and weather conditions, shouldn't go 
alone, and should look at beepers.

>Also, where can one go to get in on some summer skiing?  I've heard of

Try Mt. Hood, Oregon, and Blackcomb, BC.  There are also a number 
of (non lift serviced) glaciers and snowfields - locally, we have 
St. Marry's glacier.  

Speaking of which : Is any one local up for a St. Marry's glacier trip?

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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: WHAT'S NEW FOR 92/93 at Colorado Ski Areas
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:08:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.210711.9808@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

|> LaCroixs -- nice skis.  Tried them at Aspen.  Very light.

To tell the truth, they are not that great  really. In my usual
predicament : steeply inclined skating rink or uggly agglomerations
of "frozen granular" called moguls in Killington, Elans 
are far superior, so when nobody is looking , I ski Elan. 

|> I bet Bogner suits are okay until you need to take a dump.

I fall in the named suit  more then I bargain for
and SUIT seems to be doing just fine .  Next step - padded suit.

|> I will stick with my climbing suit for skiing.
|> Far more practical.

Practicality is not an issue when the goal is to irk real skiers.

|> >Croissants - OK. but I really like steak and eggs with hashbrowns, although
it
|> >Coffee and cigarettes?  Bleah!
|>
|> Agreed.
|> However, I should go without the eggs and steak.

Unfortunately, Vail is the only ski resort where one can procure a decent
croissant this side of Alps : I love Vail if only for that.



Cheers, 
		Sergei
From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Knees. . .
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:58:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) writes:

> 
> The only people I know that wear knee braces are ones that have already 
> injured knees.  I am wondering if it is beneficial to wear knee braces to 
> prevent injury in the first place?   If so, what brands, are they comfortable
> wear under or over ski pants, etc. etc. etc.

In a word, no.  The best brace for an otherwise healthy knee is strong
muscles.  Injuries caused by "plant and turn" movement can't be prevented if
the forces are great enough, but strong musculature reduces the risk by
raising the threshold where injuries begin.  

The elastic bands with holes for the knee cap and so on are generally
considered to have little or no real value - except to the seller.  Braces
with tons of metal all over everywhere (Lennox Hill, etc.) require
perscriptions and aren't cheap (read you need an orthopaedist to prescribe
it and someone to fit it and someone to make it and someone to install it
and... you get the idea).

Put in time on a bike or swimming (low impact on the knees while still
getting strength and endurance).  It's cheaper and more fun.
 
>                                                               Taos #1
> [_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_*][_

Er, ANSI characters in a .signature file is rather tough on folks who don't
support them.  <g>

Rick

DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor and I don't play one on TV.

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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:52:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com writes:

> No, no, no, ski Sqwaw.  According to Glen, its the only REAL slope
> in North America

 No, no, NO, ski anywhere in Co. According to *everybody* Co. is the
 BEST! Besides, Jim wants some of that nasty powder skied out.

 ..glen
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Update on request for skiing exercises
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:15:53 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:

> I do not recall what might be in the FAQ, but this summary should be 
> editted for inclusion in future versions.

 Yep. It will be. Along with a few other things that have been posted here
 recently.

 ..glen
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:56:46 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 03/7
Organization: What, me? Organized?