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From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: Why Alt.Music techno? Read this....
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:38:32 GMT

   Given the current heat of dhiscussion over a.m.t., the little winged
advisor on my right shoulder kept insisting, "Hey, don't get involved in
this shouting match!"  But the left shoulder imp kept saying, "Nay! Get
in there and stand up for techno!" So...
  Seems to me that the main reason for starting any new group should be
"is there no proper forum for the ideas and issues you want to discuss?"
Now, alt. rave certainly has a lot of techno-issues.  And I won't
unsubscribe if we get alt.music techno (though the SF Raves list is so
good, maybe I would...). Anyway, there are some ideas I would like to
get into that I would feel awkward about raising in alt.rave.  Such as:
   1) Does techno music preclude the idea of ballads? Does the synthetic
nature of the music mean that we'll never have anything like (say)
Coltrane's "Naima"?
   2) I bet I have the world's largest unwanted collection of Moby's
"Go." (Though I think Moby's excellent).  I want to gripe in this forum
about the proliferation of identical mixes on different compilations.
   3) What other performing arts (besides raves :<)   ) use techno? I
guarantee it's coming to the movies.  And -- get ready for this -- I
belong to a group of jugglers who use techno for some of our routines.
More than any other music, techno ......
   Well, I'd like to finish this discussion in alt.music.techno.
   Do yourself a favor!  Keep me from lathering up the middle of
alt.rave with irrelevant essays! On a more serious note, a vote for alt.music.  techno is a vote
for recognition of techno as a legitimate music form.
   One more analogy. My wife plays in a symphony orchestra.  She loves
playing ballet music.  She doesn't particularly enjoy ballets. But in
her world, the performance of and discussion about ballet music can be
done with or without the dance component. Isn't this situation just like
the relation between raves and techno?

        -- A raver and a technophile,

           arthurc 
Xref: sparky alt.config:5127 alt.folklore.urban:21312
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:48:12 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Aug12.214402.17681@javelin.sim.es.com>,
 pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>Because that would tend to give a fictionalized side to the postings.  I would
>like to see accounts or stories with a factual base.

That is what alt.paranormal is for.  The name alt.folklore.ghost-stories
sounds like it is more for the type of stories you would tell around a
campfire late at night.
-- 
USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.pgp or alt.privacy.pgp
From: richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles)
Date: 14 Aug 92 8:28:06 GMT
Organization: Malleus Maleficarum - Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre


> Hmm.  I am not sure why news is so much safer than email.  If someone can
> forge email, then they can forge usenet postings, right?

Thus struck me as being rather strange also.... I fully support the newsgroup
alt.privacy.pgp [I did a QNX 3.15 port] as it would allow us to discuss issues
related to this tactic of support for public key encryption. Alas, US people
could have a bit of difficulty [legally] using it...

Richard

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.tv.blakes7
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: {not speaking for the} University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:26:55 GMT

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

> But because Blakes 7 is a *UK* (ie. non-US) show, the person who proposed
> it is told:  "oh, it belongs in rec.arts.tv.uk".  Like the existing
> alt.tv.* groups don't belong in rec.arts.tv, or somewhere else.
> Or like all of comp.* doesn't belong in comp.misc.

> Carasso can use the alt namespace for his neat-o racist "humor",
> and other nerds can use the alt namespace for their own unfortunate
> attempts at "humor".  So do whatever you want.

I agree.  Go ahead and make the group.  It seems that people always
voice objection to new alt.* groups when someone asks about them in
alt.config, but go happily along with new groups when their creator
makes them w/o asking.
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  I speak for myself, and not for the State or University of Illinois.
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Please include For your newsgroups file: line
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Aug13.085645.42309@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
	<JAAPJL.92Aug13154653@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <3342@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:17:09 GMT

In article <3342@ra.nrl.navy.mil> fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (William C Fenner) writes:

   jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap) writes:
   >I know there's no requirement in alt, but please include a Spaf-style
   >For your newsgroups file: line when you issue a newgroup control message.
   >(This is an example of what can happen when it's left out.)

   I thought that was a "Lawrence-style ... line", but anyway.

(* red face *)  Yup, you're right.  Thanks for explaining it.
--
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders)
Subject: >>YES to alt.music.techno
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:46:21 GMT

>>>> I say let's start an alt.music.techno group and go from there.
>>>> --Eric

>>>I fully support this idea! Currently the only techno news around is on
>>>alt.rave. ...
> 
>Just to add my $0.02, I'm more interested in the music aspect than the
>party aspect, but I wouldn't flame anyone for discussing a techno rave
>in alt.music.techno. Just no "moshing" threads please! :) :) :)
> 

To be quite honest, I'm really looking for a group where techno prosumers
(PROducers who are also conSUMERS) can discuss relative merits of the flood of
new source material available which can be loosely groped into the techno realm.This should ideally include: Reviews of sample CD's and cuts records for DJ's,
Equipment information for DJ's, Sampling source secrets, Successful playlists, 
Newest and hottest cuts reviews, and Commercial sources for the best in Techno.

Barry Sanders
bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: proposal for alt.music.techno
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:22:04 GMT

In article <16ri74INN6vo@agate.berkeley.edu>
bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf)) writes:
 
>In article <1684612B86.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>Thanks but I don't like rave. I like techno. Lots of others are in the
>>same boat, I'm afraid.
 
>        Yow!  I can't let a blanket statement like that go uncontested.
>Please list for me bands that are techno but that
 
>        a) you would not hear at a rave no matter what, and
>        b) doesn't fall under rec.music.industrial.
 
>I certainly can't.
 
a) Any techno, becuz I would not *go* to a rave no matter what.
b) Any non-industrial techno, for the same reason.
 
The point is not that you would or wouldn't hear bands at a rave.
Rather the point is that I and others would not be caught dead at a rave.
Is this so hard to grasp?
I like to listen to techno, but not neccessarily to party along to it.
 
Besides, I thought the current trend at raves was to play other
styles of music and that techno is on the decline. If this is wrong, it's
only becuz that's what I've seen written here. If it's right, then it
serves to further emphasize the differences between techno and rave,
and supports the arugument for a seperate techno group.
 
Heck, maybe there is no techno that wouldn't be played at a rave! I dunno!
I really can't answer your question the way you want me to cuz I don't know
enuf about raves. And the more I learn, the less I want to know.
 
--Eric
Xref: sparky alt.config:5224 alt.dreams:2921 alt.paranormal:2136 alt.oobe:109 alt.consciousness:413
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,alt.oobe,alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: pre-CFV for OBE newsgroup
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:18:31 GMT
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)

In article <1992Aug17.173411.1570@cs.wisc.edu> cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu
	(Kevin J. Cherkauer) writes:

> In article <1992Aug15.005025.23514@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
	(Gary S. Trujillo) writes:

> >...The thing I see us to
> >be voting on are what we want to call a new newsgroup whose charter will make
> >it clear that its purpose is to discuss out-of-body experiences...
> 
> I think existing newsgroups are perfectly reasonable choices. I can't see the
> need to split a group that only gets 10 postings a day. It's not like you have
> to wade through hundreds of messages to find the OOBE ones, and OOBE seems to
> fit well enough under a "paranormal" classification...

It really appears to me that those in favor of using existing newsgroups to
discuss OBE experiences are concerned only with trying to avoid creating a
new newsgroup.  I have not heard a strong argument supporting using alt.dreams
or alt.consciousness or alt.paranormal that have answered the objections voiced
by those who do object (which claim that the broader subject matter covered
make the OBE discussion easy to have overwhelmed and/or that doing so would
classify or even define the phenomenon in a way that unfairly characterizes
it).

Jude (jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu) and I are preparing to issue a call for votes
for creating a new newsgroup.  The purpose of the vote will not be to decide
where the OBE subject should be discussed, but rather whether a new newsgroup
should be created and what it should be called.  As with mainstream newsgroups,
those taking part in the vote will have an opportunity to say that they would
prefer that the new newsgroup not be created.  However, since the rules for
creating alt newsgroups are much more flexible, according to the "official"
alt newsgroup creation guidelines, we can go by a simple majority, and do not
have to include options for those who would like to tell us that they would
prefer that we use existing newsgroups.  Those who have such sentiments can
simply vote against creation of the new newsgroup under any name.

Please watch this space for more details.

Gary
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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.tv
From: dmb@world.std.com (Deborah M Brown)
Subject: Re: RFD:  alt.tv.talk, alt.tv.mtv
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:23:25 GMT

In article <14114@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
>Rather than creating a new alt group for every TV show that comes down the
>pike, why doesn't someone start the RFD process to split the existing
>rec.arts.tv up. We already have a rec.arts.tv.soaps and rec.arts.tv.uk so
>a rec.arts.tv.talk-shows would be appropriate. There was an RFD to split
>RAT into a RAT.current and a RAT.nostolgia. MTV and the like could fit into

This subject comes up in rec.arts.tv about once a year, and I think it's 
a great idea.  The big problem so far has been HOW to split the group if 
it were to be done.

I like the idea of RAT.talk-shows, RAT.drama, RAT.comedy, RAT.misc.  Science
Fiction is already covered under rec.arts.sf.tv so that's one division 
we wouldn't have to think about.

Since I now have trn available, I don't have to wade through the stuff I 
don't want to read, so I'm not going to push one way or another on this 
subject, but I think I would vote for a split should it come to that.


-- 
.......... It ain't over 'till Frank pushes the button ........
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin)
Subject: Re: proposal for ALT.MUSIC.TECHNO - NO!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:16:29 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

S12334@doc.flc.colorado.edu writes:
>Ok, come on,  Alt.rave is a broad enough group to cover all of
>those topics that a newsgroup Alt.music.techno would ever consider.

Well, it hasn't.  I've followed alt.rave since its inception, and
Kraftwerk has been *mentioned* about two or three times.  Juan Atkins
has gotten less bandwidth than that.  alt.rave is great for what it
deals with, but there are a lot of us out here who prefer to stay out
of the party scene.  IMO, alt.music.techno would attract a much
different crowd than alt.rave.

	-curt

--
Curt Malouin                   "Y'all don't know shit about techno."
malouin@engin.umich.edu                            - Eddie Fowlkes
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless.d
Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 04:29:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.220422.5386@lclark.edu>
	harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:
>Sorry Rich.  I think that unless this group starts picking up speed, that
>there isn't really enough going on here to create ANOTHER newgroup.

Since when has that ever stopped alt?  There must be at least 5 new
groups appearing every time I read news.

As I said in the posting, there's no reason they can't discuss their
pictures on a.b.p.d (or even alt.tasteless), but people keep telling
me that they are "afraid" to post to a.b.p.d because they don't want
people to get offended by comments like:

    "Wow!  That piece of shit is actually _leaving_ her ass and going
    into his mouth!!!"

Again, as I said, this has yet to happen (either the conversation or
the mythical offenders getting peeved), so I don't think its a valid
argument until the people in a.b.p.d start complaining (which they
haven't).

Of course, other people have also stated that they think each pictures
group should have a matching ".d" group so that there is no confusion
over which discussion group goes with which picture group.  Right now
we have:

Newsgroup				Discussion Group
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica		alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
alt.binaries.pictures.fractals		alt.binaries.pictures.d
alt.binaries.pictures.misc		alt.binaries.pictures.d
alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless		alt.binaries.pictures.d
alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.graphics	alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.d

Then again there are always those who complain about the existence of
separate picture/discussion groups in the first place.

I don't particularly care if the a.b.p.t.d group is newgrouped or not
(I'm not going to forge a newgroup message); but I put forth the
suggestion to alleviate those few people complaining about the fear of
mythical offense (seems to me that someone who is tasteless wouldn't
care :).

						    -- Rich
-- 
	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
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Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: proposel for alt.politics.putting.people.first (moderated)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:44:08 GMT

In article <swood.714242962@vela> swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott
Wood - EVENSONG) writes:
>I am currently starting a Putting People First group in my area and

I was hoping someone else would do this so I wouldn't have to display
my ignorance... what's Putting People First?  Am I the only one who's
never heard of it?

The proposed name is a problem.  How about alt.politics.people-first?
Would that be clear to people who know about the group?

If not very many people are familiar with it, you might want to
consider whether a mailing list would serve your purposes better,
especially if you want it moderated.  But I can't say it would or
wouldn't since I don't know what it is.  :-)

>If I have found the wronge forum for presenting such a request,
Nope, this is the right place.

But then, the only followup I've seen was amazingly sarcastic, causing
me to wonder if I've missed the joke and fallen for a sucker post, and
I'm just too out of it to know?

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rave
From: malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin)
Subject: Re: >>YES to alt.music.techno
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 20:37:00 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <Bt1G5B.44H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) writes:
>This should ideally include: Reviews of sample CD's and cuts records for DJ's,
>Equipment information for DJ's, Sampling source secrets, Successful playlists, 
>Newest and hottest cuts reviews, and Commercial sources for the best in Techno.

This is precisely what the bpm mailing list is for.

	-curt

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From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conference-ctr
Subject: IACC BBS
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

IACC is currently investigating the feasibility of a computer
bulletin board (not this one) dedicated to the global conference
center community.

This BBS could facilitate dialogue between IACC members and others and 
could allow the exchange of ideas and information specific to special
interest groups.  Research material, job postings, sales and marketing
leads, staff development information, and industry specific product
listings could be at subscribers' fingertips.

The Trends and Innovations Committee would like to receive input
on this project, especially from those currently using BBS 
systems.  Please contact Greg Knapp with your comments and suggestions.
Greg Knapp
University of Michigan
West Quad, 541 Thompson
Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1360
fax(313) 764-1557

Sam
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conference-ctr
Subject: Property Updates
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:40:39 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

*  The KPMG Peat Marwick NY Center has been renamed The Coleman Center.


*  A new conference center has opened at the North Carolina Biotechnology
Center.  Located in Triangle Park, NC, the 19000 sf center has a 170
seat auditorium, a galleria for receptions and displays, one multi-
purpose room and six conference rooms.  It is available for local, 
state, national, and international meetings on the science, business, 
educational requirements, and issues of biotechnology.

*  The Cervantes Convention Center in St. Louis is the first convention
center in the US to include dedicated conference center space.  It is
part of a $120 million expansion to the facility.  It will consist of
17 rooms with capacities of from 10 to 156 people and should open 
in April of 1993.

Sam
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conference-ctr
Subject: IACC Fall Study Tours
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:18:18 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Announcing IACC's Fall Study Tours for 1992......

Princeton	September 1
Chicago		September 2
Philadelphia	September 10
New York City	September 11
Washington,DC	September 11
Boston		September 14
Minneapolis	September 21
Westchester	October 8

You will visit three IACC properties  and get an inside look,
a behind the scenes tour of each, including everything from 
the kitchen to the laundry, from front desk  to conference
services.  Lunch is included.

Cost is $50 for members/$100 for non-members for each site.

For more information or to register contact:
IACC
243 North Lindbergh Blvd
St. Louis, Mo 63141
314 993-8575
fax 314 993-8919
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: Indicators of Abuse
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:40:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Joshua.Kramer@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Joshua Kramer)
Date: 14 Aug 92  16:33:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.714070821@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: More Indicators of Abuse
To: lindae@netcom.com
Status: OR

LI>As Promised, Here are More "Indicators of Abuse" :  This follows an earlier
LI>posting which listed indicators of neglect and sexual abuse.

Hello Linda and All...

I'd like to comment on these indicators of abuse.  I aprreciate your
efforts, and I'm sure they are helping children in danger right now.
However, may I ask that before you call children's services on a
'suspect' parent, please PLEASE get both sides of the story.  Three
times my parents were harassed by children's services because someone
accused them of neglect without getting the whole picture.  Now, I'm
16... but let me tell you, we were HARASSED.  Many social workers, upon
enetering a suspect home, automatically assume that there are terrible
things going on when there are not.  Children's Services rarely knows
what they are doing, and it can break up a family more than bind it
together.  They invade privacy and break several constitutional rights
with no proof that anything is going on, so they harass and harass and
harass until they get what they think is right, when often it is not.

--josh

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