From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: REMNANTS of BRITISH rule
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Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:18:00 GMT

In article <18AUG199215155099@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes...
>In article <1992Aug18.032347.4998@gw.wmich.edu>, 771maqbool@gw.wmich.edu writes...
>Recently I noticed that some messages have been posted on the net which deal
>with our freedom fighters.
>..... 
>We seem to have no trouble what so ever remembering names and memorizing stories
>of our Martyrs, but we are extremly hypocritical about their preachings. 

    Unfortunately several mistakes occured while typing last post. Here is the
    corrected version (Mirza Ilyas). 

	Pakistan was never meant to be an Islamic state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah
        made it very clear that he wanted a secular state for the indian
        muslims. This banner of Islamic state has been raised by those,
        some of whome infact did not even support the idea of a seperate
        state like Mudoodi (LFJFUH) et al . This slogan definitely has a graet
        advantage of fooling a society of illiterate people with emotional
        attachment to the ideas of Islam. Since the birth of 
        Pakistan many have done that with few exceptions.
	Those who have read Islam a bit understand that there is no
        "Masalah" or "ChooManter" which will ever turn a society into
        a muslim soceity. It can be done only if individual members of
        a society accept and adopt their livings according to the
        islamic teachings (by will not by force). Any reasonable person
        can see that this is not going to happen in this world again. 
        (When  it last happened in this world?). Nature does not give 
        a second life to any one person/culture/society whatever.

        In principle we in Pakistan do have Islamic laws. dont we?.
        Judges of Islamic courts have awarded punishments like cutting 
 	hands, and stone to  death. Didnt they? (shame). It is just 
        that we are lucky and people in Pakistan are not serious 
        (except for those who want to sell it for profit) about it and 
        supreme court has always averted these punishments.

	Talking too much about Islam is also a trick to put the real
        problems of our society under the carpet. Is islam is the problem
        in our society? no not atall our problems are poverty, illitracy,
        corruption, no recognition for different cultures, languages
        nationalities, lack of everything you can think of.        

        No matter which society you talk about there will be always
        a privileged class.  If not the cpitalists then Communist,
        Saudi Kings femily or Iranian Mulahs (Good old days of a Tent and 
	Camel society are gone). You are lucky if you have right type of 
        people (people with some vision for the future of their society) 
	in this class and T.S. otherwise. That's all. 

	Laws of nature are indeed very simple. Only we make them complicated
        by looking at the facts not as they are but as we wish they should
        have been. 

Mirza Ilyas
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