From: legolas@daimi.aau.dk (Anders Jacob Truelsen)
Subject: Re: Cannondale Delta V question
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:30:53 GMT

lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.090938.16092@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>In article <27583@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh) writes:
>>>In rec.bicycles.tech, vvkmj@sven.lerc.nasa.gov (Keith Jackson) writes:
>>>>build it up.  The guys at the shop don't know what to do with the
>>>>little pulley wheel just above where the brakes will go.
>>>
>>>Take it off and use a regular cable cable stop in the back.  The front
>>>may be a little trickier.  If you do want to set it up with the "Force
>>>40" braking, you'll need a piece from Cannondale that clamps the end
>>>of the wire from one cantilever (over the pulley) to the end of the
>>>housing that goes toward the other cantilever...forget that, you'll
>>>have to find one of these to see how its done.
>>
>>i've got a 'dale with the force 40 braking system described.
>>one of these days, i'm going to switch it back to the regular
>>system.  the problem is that the force 40 system, combined
>>with the deore 2-finger brakes, requires a lot of cable travel.
>>i find that the deore levers don't pull enough cable.  so i end
>>up with brakes that ride uncomfortably close to the rim (meaning
>>that if the wheel goes slightly out of true the brakes will rub)
>>and levers that go awfully close to the bottom under hard braking.
>>the advantage is that the brakes are powerful.  i can stop hard
>>using my little fingers.  if you're using diacompe SS-7 or SS-5
>>levers it might be worthwhile to use the force 40 system (these
>>levers pull more cable), but otherwise i'd just skip it.
>>as david said, you'll need the little metal piece (one for each
>>set of cantilevers) which shouldn't cost much.  you can try it
>>out, and if you don't like it, chuck it.  my advice is to skip it.
>>the only drawback is that you will have to find a cable hanger for
>>the front brake, which is why i haven't done anything yet.
>>
>>-teddy

>If you're looking to get more cable travel with some SS-5's or SS-7's,
>you're looking in the wrong place.  In fact, as I recall, Shimano brake
>levers (not the ones attached to the rapidfires--they have less), have
>among the most cable travel of any of 'em.  A shop I know of measured them
>at 23mm.  Servo-wave levers have 19, Ritcheys are 20, SS-7's are 19, and
>SS-5's only have 15mm of cable travel.

>Everyone around here sounds like they don't like the force-40 stuff at all.
>I don't ride it, but I've ridden some bikes with it and was amazed at the
>power that was achieved from XT brakes (which I think pretty much suck
>without some kind of aid in the levers or other method).  I guess I'm just
>a weenie, I've been spoiled by the awesome power of my IRD brakes.  I can
>go down a 45-degree trail and lock up the FRONT wheel (not usually on 
>purpose, mind you), with 1 finger.  Yes, really.

Well I for one like the force-40 system along with XT brakes and Suntour XC-PRO
levers. I think its a cool combination, I have all the power and feeling I
could ask for. 

/anders







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