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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Styling, profiling and pretending
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:39:28 GMT

In article <1ebs92INNp0o@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>Why waste anybody's time, brother man.
>Time's a wastin for women wanting commitment.

This is somewhat scary...."Time's wasting for c*mm*tm*ent-minded women" smacks
of the "there ain't no good brothers out there", as if the message is "Black
men- get yours now while there's some left". Funny thing is, I've got other
stable, professional, non-funny-looking Black friends who are womanless, or
are complaining about the woman they're with, but figure they're gonna do
worse than what they've got if they drop-kick homegirl. Consider also this
is Massachusetts we're talking about- I've been here for 4.5 years and I am
SEVERELY disappointed in the women I find here, and I'm not as "checklist"
as some of my friends who have to have this, that and the other before they
will see out with someone for more than just tummy-bump partners. I'm not
(really) complaining about it here because I refuse to be alone, and am
direct about getting what I want, so I manage.

>Simple, brother.  Find a sister you simply want to have fun
>with, but who is NOT looking for commitment.

This brings us back to square one- I thought they weren't.

>>Is it me, or has someone been hurt either (a) a lot, or (b) lately?

>Man, there's gotta be something about me you've gotta flame.

Not true. (Fifteen seconds after I posted that I wondered if you'd take it
the wrong way.) It's just that you sound a little (yeah, and here's that
"comparison" thing we talked about) like a couple of women I know who've
started to give up on us, (usually after choosing style over substance, but
I get the idea you don't tend to make that faux pas), and now every third
sentence is "men don't c*mm*t/men don't love us/men are dogs/men are trying
to play us"...you get the idea.

>Lastly, brother, dicks aren't evil, they're neutral.

Funny, but when I say that, no woman believes me. Mind if I use this as a
reference? :-)

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
Newsgroups:  soc.culture.african.american
From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Churches espousing Black Liberation Theology
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:05:01 GMT


Hi, does anyone know of any churches, esp. around the Boston/Cambridge
area where Black Liberation Theology is preached? That will be the only
circumstance under which I would be willing to go back to the Church at
this point in my life.

Thanx,

Femi.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:21:43 EST
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Just a Warning...


Having scanned thru some of the articles, I've noticed some folx are getting
upset over Phil Stromer. I've warned ppl before. Guys like like Phil Stromer,
Arthur Hu, Glen Cooley, and more recently William Franklin, only want to get
folx riled up. I guess there is really nothing we can do about them entering
the net, after all, there are no restrictions for access to the net.

I suggest the best we do is ignore them. That way they don't get any attention
they seem to desire. Believe me, I know because I had run-ins w/ them all. It's
not worth the time.

                    *
Fred Rozenblad      *  Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu   *
                    *


Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11155 talk.politics.guns:24191
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Coffee-House Conversation with an Imaginary Nadja
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:58:54
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: sasazc@maggot.unx.sas.com's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:35:50 GMT

sasazc@maggot.unx.sas.com (Al Cohen) writes:
|seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu writes:
|>>      Guess again Stevie boy!  The City of Kinnesaw Georgia (that's
|>>the USA southern state :-)  has a statue on the books that requires all
|>>households in the corporate limits to own a weapon!  (There are some
|>>exemptions for various reasons of conscience and such.)
|>
|>There are an amazing number of antiquated and ridiculous laws still on the
|>books. 

|Yaeh, but this law was enacted in the mid-80's.  Last I heard, no rise in 
|accidental shootings and a respectably low crime rate. 

Last I heard, the crime rate went down the first year, then went back
up the next year.  The consensus semed to be no net effect.

Note the followups.
--
Peace.
     "Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete
      than expected.  Carefully planned projects take four times
      longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners
      expect their planning to reduce the time it takes."
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:33 PST
Subject: URGENT ACTION for Somalia
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471600053:000:1863
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Nov 19 18:33:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: URGENT ACTION for Somalia

/* Written  6:25 pm  Nov 19, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.apc.org in igc:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "URGENT ACTION for Somalia" ---------- */
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject:      URGENT ACTION for Somalia

MacNeil/Lehrer said tonight the White House will discuss serious action for
Somalia tomorrow.

Please call the White House Comment Line--202-456-1111, between 9am
and 5pm Eastern time, tomorrow.

Or fax any time (starting tonight) at 202-456-2461.

Please urge massive increases in food aid and medical supplies.  Remember,
even Mohamed Sahnoun said things were getting better since the aid increased,
despite the looting.  And, he said the amount now being delivered is
30,000 tons a month.  60,000 tons a month are needed, so there is plenty
of room for improvement there.

The main topic of discussion will be military intervention.  I plan to urge
increased UN troops, deployed swiftly.  I think that insofar as outside
military force can cause some problems, UN troops are less provocative than
US marines.

I have to say that the Somalis in the US to whom I have talked==the
Somalia Relief Association in Houston, and Save Somalia in Atlanta,
strongly support military intervention.

On the M/L News Hour, the former US Ambassador to Somalia, Crigler,
said "the American people have shown that they favor helping Somalia."
It's important that we continue to show this support.

Hope everybody will take the time to make the quick phone call or
send a one-paragraph fax.

Thanks so much.  Events seem to have shown that the online community
has made a big difference for Somalia--I hope we can act in great
numbers tomorrow and perhaps get some really helpful action out of the
White House.
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: AIDS and all that jazz
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:31:19 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Nov16.031432.24306@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>|If you are going to make this hypothesis you have to ask "Why?"  For
>>|example, why would anyone want to try SIV in humans even if they knew
>>|what it was?  It's pretty pathetic as a bio-warfare agent and it is
>>|easier to experiment with it in monkeys than in humans.  So why
>>|bother? 
> 
>>While I doubt that any of this happened this way, I'm sure that all of
>>us with just a few minutes thought--and taking into account the
>>history of human beings whether in Tuskeegee or Germany--could easily
>>come up with reasons why someone would do this accidently or with
>>intent and forethought.
> 
> I doubt it.  The Tuskeegee experiment had a very simple reason -
> someone said "Let's find out what the long term effects of untreated
> syphilis are."  If this had been done with animals instead of humans
> it would have been just one more study in the medical literature.

What you have to look at is the cynicism, racism, cruelty behind the Tuskegee
experiment.  There was a cure for syphillis so why investigate the long-term
effects of syphillis?  There was no concern for the welfare of the patients.

Given this cynical thought process, do you think there might possibly exist
some boffin (these were the days when it was en vogue to describe people of
African descent as "less than human" in public, nowadays you join the
Republican party -:) who would decide to experiment on these expendable
wretches, for whatever reason might drift across his head.  

> 
> The Nazi experiments can be divided into two groups - the real science
> and the bizarre lunacies of sick people who had others in their power.
> The real science included things like "Let's find out about
> hypothermia and try some experimental treatments so we can understand
> how to treat sailors and pilots who we pull out of the water."
> 
> So what is your hypothetical reason for the supposed experiments in
> Africa?  "Let's find out the effects of injecting monkey blood into
> humans"?  Does that really ring true?
> 
 It sounds  far-fetched, but if somebody had told me that the Tuskegee experiment was
run outside of Nazi Germany without any proof I would have labelled that
far-fetched also. Also how are you sure some bizarre lunatic didn't do this?
I'm not sure one did it, but I am sure as hell not going to discount it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one else.

McBean

History teaches us nothing
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:50:22 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Malcolm X and the NOI

In article <gf3zp9G00YUoECeOlU@andrew.cmu.edu>, st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven
Timm) says:
>
>I saw the movie Malcolm X recently.  Overall it seemed to be a very
>well-done movie, with large attention to detail and much shooting on
>location.
>
>I got the impression from the movie that it was really the Nation of
>Islam that made Malcolm X what he was, and then tried to destroy him
>when he got too popular.
>
>Are there any NOI members out there who have seen the movie?  Do you
>guys think it gave the NOI a fair shake?  Certainly there seemed to be
>plenty of advertisement for Islam in general, both the standard variety
>and that espoused by Elijah Muhammad.  Why doesn't Louis Farrakhan appear
>anywhere in the movie, or was he just not active then?
>
>Steve Timm

Farrakhan was a singer back then:)  Apparently X's brothers and sisters, most
of whom joined NOI (Malcolm was actually recruited by his brothers) sided with
NOI during the split with Malcolm. Does anyone know what became of them and
what their beliefs are today, especially towards Malcolm?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:53:06 EST
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RE: Black-on-Black Crime

I don't necessarily want to quote any figures or stats on Black-on-Black
crime, but I've some of the input Stan, Chris and Gabrielle to put out.  I
wanted to start this not to point fingers, but to ask the following question:
Why does it seem that we (blacks) tend to blame whites sometime when the
blame may not be theirs?  Stan mentioned the increased crack use in his
area.  I believe that everyone knows this is happening, and it is surely
leading to increased crime rates, etc.  But my question for the drug use is
should blame whites for the drugs?  After all, there is a concept of
individual responsibility.  Can anyone say they are "forced" to use drugs?
It seems some of our folx give up and turn to drugs and crime; and in doing
so, they take down the rest of the community w/ them?  Do they need help?
Sure they do; but what kind of help will they get, and is it good enough to
solve the problems their crime creates in our 'hoods.  Everybody is aware of
ppl being terrorized in their own streets (by their own ppl).  I just see
blaming the white man as a excuse in some cases when we have the ability to
change our predicament.

One thing about Malcolm Xs philosophy, he really preached becoming
self-sufficient and do things for our selves.  I know things are hard, but
our grandparents had things harder than we did (I think).  They did not
have to be afraid to live in their own neighborhood from their own ppl.  Now
what does Malcolm X haveto do w/ Black-on-Black crime?  I want to relate the
2 points to see if we can try to deal w/ the problem.  (Maybe it's been done
before, maybe not).

But I do believe a moral restructuring has to take place in some of our ppl.


Any responses?

                      *
Fred Rozenblad        *  Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu.    *
                      *



Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Monkey Apology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:25:57 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) wrote:
:I recently ended an article about AIDS conspiracy theories with the
:my frustration that no amount of spelling out of the facts is going
:to end the conspiracy theories, and get people to assume responsibility
:for themselves.  Specifically, I said "monkey brains" regarding such
:conspiracy mongers.  Somebody complained--nicely even--in e-mail.
:
:I apologize for any and all offense.  What can I say?  I was typing
:too much too fast, and the topic of monkeys had been kicked around,
:so wheeee! in goes the crack.  No thought of the bigoted stereotype
:was running by at the time, but once I had my nose rubbed in it like
:an untrained puppy making messes on the carpet, I noticed it loud
:and clear.  This isn't an excuse, just life sometimes.  Again, my
:apologies.

FYI: I see Matt Wiener's name showing up often among the top 25
Usenet posters by number of articles.  Nearly 100 per week.  So
I believe you when you see you were just breezin.

BTW: Didn't Howard Cosell suffer no little indignity for calling
a black wide receiver "little monkey" during a Monday Night Football
telecast?

Aaron

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11124 alt.politics.clinton:17203
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Anita Hill (was Re: Thank God for Ron Brown)
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:09:45
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: sderby@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu's message of 14 Nov 1992 22:48:32 GMT

sderby@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Stuart P. Derby) writes:
|  It'd be poetic justice, but I think it's unlikely. One of the
|trivia items floating around my dazed, besottted brain is that
|Anita Hill wrote an article in support of the Bork nomination
|to the court (wish I had a reference to support that), which
|was cited by some political columnists as yet another reason
|to believe her story. In other words, I sorta think she is/was
|a (gasp) Republican. Although she may have just drifted into
|it and has now seen the error of her ways :-)

| (Boy, I wish I had a reference, I just know I'm gonna
|get flamed....)


Nope.  I saw her in an interview.  She describes herself as
"conservative" because she is deeply religious; however, she has never
considered herself a Republican.  I believe she said that she wasn't a
Democrat either.

--
Peace.
        "Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific.  
         It is IN the Pacific.  It is a part of the United States that 
         is an island that is right here."
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle,
                   Hawaii, September 1989
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Who's Malcolm X ?
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:54:41 GMT

Gov. Douglas can't understand the hoopla about him.  Ex-Supreme Court
Justice Thurgood Marshall said that he never accomplished anything, so why
refer to him as famous.  Think for a minute...What exactly did Malcolm X
accomplish?  Does anybody out there now? If so, please tell me.

Chris Hill
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black-on-Black Crime
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:24:53 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <92325.094801FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>,
<FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad writes:
>
>I don't know if this area was ever dealt w/ on this net. At least, I haven't
>read many articles on Black-on-Black crime.  I was wondering if anybody would
>like to take a crack at some interesting talk about.
>
>We dealt w/ the drug issue quite a few times, and some may say that's a good
>reason for increased Black-on-Black crime rate. Some will even say that it's
>because deprived conditions that we (blacks) face in the US. Others will still
>say it's all "whitey's" fault, etc.
>
.
.
I certainly don't appreciate being robbed, or worse, robbed and
killed for nothing but a couple of cents or food stamps or some
Nikes.  I know one thing: several million black folks need shrinks,
and not when it's too late, like in prison or shut up in the looney
bin.
.
A lot of us don't know how to take care of ourselves like in
Maslow's pyramid.  Supposedly, if we take care of food, housing and
jobs, we will be mainly satisfied, but in order to take care of
other things, like creativity (which could definitely contribute to
the community and the nation), we have to deal with other issues in
the pyramid. In some ways, we need support from others, and if not
black folks, other people of color or even whites.  Thus, the
interconnected of people, no matter how autonomous we become.
.
I am against black on black crime.  However, I am also against black
cops who beatp on black civilians, or in the Detroit case, standnd
back and do nothing, just to show solidarity with the honkies, or to
show how individually powerful they are.
.
As long crime was going on in somebody else's community, no one
(white) listened.  Now that it is everywhere and insidious as hell,
everyone is putting out ideas, some very draconian, borderline
fascist ideas about how to combat it.  Jail doesn't seem to work,
because there are several-timers out there who are still doing the
streets. Calling in the death penalty doesn't either.p~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Are Replican blacks...traitors?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:49:02 GMT

Before anyone blasts me I could not think of another term that provides the
same meaning with fewer strong connotations.  

In our society these days, and on this group especially, there is a very
strong leaning towards government owes us this, government owes us that.
Affirmative action programs, set-asides, EEOC, inner-city revitalization,
urban crime, and a thousand other things effect blacks proportionately more
than whites.  The prominent voices I have heard on these subjects proclaim
that government is the only thing that can rescue us from the evils of modern
life.  

As a general rule, Republicans would prefer the government involved in as few
things as possible.  Republicans also are generally opposed to affirmative
action, set-asides, and the "the government owes me" mentality.  So: 
Are Blacks that are Republicans sell-outs in your view?  Are they oreos? If
yes why. If no, why not.

I'll post my own view  later to save you from reading an enormous article. :-)
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
From: wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: IGNORE STROMER!!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:49:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kf4J7s200iUzE6PEwR
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

BROTHERS AND SISTERS,


PEOPLE, IGNORE STROMER!!!!!!


HE GETS OFF ON THIS ATTENTION WE GIVE HIM. 
ANY POST OF HIS IS NOT WORTH A RESPONSE.

WILL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Subject: Re: Just a Warning...
Reply-To: david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:32:47 GMT

In article <92325.102143FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad writes:
>
>Having scanned thru some of the articles, I've noticed some folx are getting
>upset over Phil Stromer. I've warned ppl before. Guys like like Phil Stromer,
>Arthur Hu, Glen Cooley, and more recently William Franklin, only want to get
>folx riled up. I guess there is really nothing we can do about them entering
>the net, after all, there are no restrictions for access to the net.
>
>I suggest the best we do is ignore them. That way they don't get any attention
>they seem to desire. Believe me, I know because I had run-ins w/ them all. It's
>not worth the time.
>
>                    *
>Fred Rozenblad      *  Why would anybody want to get a PhD in Chemistry?
>FKR@psuvm.psu.edu   *
>                    *
>
>

How about posting the appropriate "kill file" parameters for a couple
of different news reader systems?  That way we will all know how to
ignore them.
-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   Grumman Data Systems
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal