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From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: WHAT ABOUT TIBET?
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:06:02 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug26.163050.24546@alf.uib.no> NGFZH@livid.uib.no writes:
>(4)I derectly ask him if
>he likes Tibetan independence. He said NO and that after the independence
>he would be forced to support monasteries qingke(a sort of weater) and
>butter, and lamas and monks would be high class on them.
>(5) In Xigaze, the second city in Tibet, I found Chinese soldiers
>cleaning the streets in early morning(I have the picture). 

What you found seems to correspond to the situation Goldstein
describes.  According to him, outside the cities, Tibetans tend to be
more supportive of the Communist government because (1) they've
benefited from economic reform, (2) all the party officials they know
are Tibetan and Tibetan/Han tensions aren't very strong.  In short,
Tibetans in the countryside don't feel threatened by the Han.

According to Goldstein, in the cities (especially Lhasa), things are
radically different.  There Tibetans feel that they are being
"invaded" by Han Chinese.  Part of the problem is that Han Chinese can
often get things through "the back door" from Han officials in Tibet,
which leads to a lot of resentment among native Tibetans.

A analysis of housing patterns in Lhasa, shows that Tibetans and Han
live in separate parts of the city.  Most Han Chinese being more newly
arrived tend to live in the more newly built regions of the city.
This causes a great deal of ethnic tension because the newer regions
tend to have better facilities.  

What I'm worried about is the possibility of

   ethnic tension->government surpression->more ethnic tension->
      more government surpression-> etc.

Leading to a downward spiral that ultimately hurts everyone.


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From: fsbrn12@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Andrew Hsu)
Subject: Re: When does a Chinese become an American?
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Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 13:54 EDT  

In article <1992Sep1.192809.2890@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes...
>	Suppose the U.S. Green Card Bill becomes law. Every Chinese who
>applies for a green card does so (at least officially) with the intent of
>becoming a U.S. citizen. If a Chinese becomes a U.S. citizen does he or
>she then share the blame and glory of America?
> 
>	For instance, will he or she share the blame for the Vietnam War,
>for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the bullying of China, the 
>extermination of Native Americans, etc.?
> 
>	Can he or she take credit for the first moon walk, the first actor
>president :-), etc.?
> 
>	I personally am a second generation American. Yet because I have
>white skin and speak fluent English I feel that American history is somehow
>partly my responsibility. Will the new Chinese U.S. citizens (or their 
>children) feel the same way? Should they? Should I?
> 

Good question, but I don't think there is a uniform answer to it. In general,
I don't think the first geration immigrants, white or non-white, 
feel that they can share ALL the blames and glories of America. For instance,
assuming your parents (white immigrants?) came to this country after
WWII, I don't think they would feel responsible for America's using A-bomb
in Japan. Simmilarly, since I did not vote for (or against) Ronald Reagan, 
I can't say I feel the glory of having the first actor president.

Howver, the second generation, being born here, might feel 
rather differently, but I'm not in a position to make a conjecture.
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From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:01:36 GMT

>>Seems to me she had a divorce sometime before. Well,
>
>really?  And she's only 19 years old.
>
>>at least, she again proves to be a female. Sorry to some netters.
>>I doubt whether that Hongkong guy really felt in love with her or
>>just for her name.
>>
>>Any clues?
>
>May be she fell in love with his money.  Who knows?  Who cares?  :-)

I JUST CAN'T believe that people can talk about an UNFAMILAR person
in an international gossip, WITHOUT much information.

MAYBE ..., PHERHAPS NOT ..., PROBABLY ...

It is high time to be HUNGRY. :-)
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Looking for VIRGIN chinese Girl
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:19:20 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

name deleted to protect the guilty

>>Looking for virgin chinese girl to break her seal. I cant marry a
>>white bimbo. I need chinese pussy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
Hmm.. Have you tried rec.pets.cats?  
-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
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From: hai@ninja.ics.hawaii.edu (Huang Hai)
Subject: Re: Where Is Today's HXWZ (Issue #74) ???
Organization: SRA, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:25:04 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: huettenb@gmd.de (Anna Huettenbach)
Subject: looking for classmates of Tongji university and Liming middle school
Reply-To: huettenb@gmd.de
Organization: GMD St. Augustin (FRG)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:54:09 GMT




Hi everyone,


My name was Shi Xinwei. I want to contact my old classmates and friends of 
university Tongji and middle school Liming.

From 1974 to 1978, I attended Liming middle school in Shanghai. Then from 1978
to 1983, Computer Science and 1986 to 1988 Technical German at Tongji university. 


Old classmates and friends please contact me.  Anyone who knows about such 
persons please send me an Email.


My Email: Anna Huettenbach@gmd.de

My address: Anna Huettenbach, Combahnstr. 52, 5300 Bonn 3, Germany.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:35:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin

>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.

>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
your trust:-)), but I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
for you, your e-mail address remainds me of one speech 
made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA-in case
you don't know this :-)), 
if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
give you some advise on your project. 
First, there are two versions of the speech (appr.):
 "...At what point then shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth 
and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
from the OHIO or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
trial of a thouscand years. If destruction ever reach us, it must spring
up amongst us, we must be its author and finisher, as a 
country of free men, we must live through all time or die by suicide..."
another version:
 "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, could
not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, if destruction be
our lot, we must be its author and finisher, as a nation
of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."

(Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
is excited.:-) )

First question:
1) Which is the original version (by A.L.).
2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
answers.)
If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
why bother to teach him our Chinese matter."
By the way, are you sure you are not related to CIT at all?
I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
club once visited by CIA, CIA offered help to them, I really
cannot afford this).
Ze Yang.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Awards To Medalists, What A Waste!
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:29:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92238.104240PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>at the Game. I not blaming them. That is nothing wrong. I am just poiting out
>that money is reason people are working for. I am so disappointed that the
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why point out the obvious :) 

BTW, what are the things you are working for?

>chinese media didn't try their best to let every chinese know the awards those
>Olympic medalists got.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Keywords: F16, Americans, Chinese
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:23:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep4.032442.11281@u.washington.edu> yuliu@milton.u.washington.edu (Yu Liu) writes:
>...
>"It should be done a long time ago". Yes, the American goverment is sending
>the killing machines to OUR motherland, not to these American's home yard,

	Just a reminder, your motherland represents the primary offensive
	killing machine in this case (the one who continues to declare the
	will to kill).

	Do you also oppose your motherland's getting more killing machines 
	from ex-USSR and selling killing machines to other's beloved homeland?
	If you do, then please take your CCP government and your people
 	into your opinions and you will have my respect.

>suffering, we give them a hand, and when we have argument, they send us a gun.
>Shame the Americans!

	The problem is "when we have argument", we seem very likely to use
	killing machines against ourselves; whether the killing machines come
	from US, other countries, or home-made does not seem to be the issue.


Yung-Kao Hsu
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Date: 30 Aug 92 01:38:10 GMT
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From: yu@sioux.ctr.columbia.edu (Yanbin Yu)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:08:45 GMT
X-Posted-From: sioux.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BtoKK0.38B@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>2) The CSS, who bear expired public-affair passport or good-for-one-trip-
>   only passport, may have their passport renewed or be issued new passport;
>   They are also allowed to change their passport to private-affair
>   ...

It is like a game between the mouse and cat. If they cannot capture you,
cat will be a very nice animal to a mouse.

However, if it is true, that means what those people in embassies and consuls
did were totally wrong even in LiPeng's standards,
and they should openly apologize to the victims of such policy
and denouce those extremely-left policy from the hearts.
Otherwise, those policy or similar ones can be reimposed overnite.
There are so many such examples since Great Culture Revolution and 64.

YYB
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese consumer spending
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:11:54 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <714998486.18193@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>Chinese Consumer yearly spending (1991?)

>cities in China		per person/per year		on food
>Guangzhou 		2,109.60 Yuans (US$383.56) 	Y1,473.97 ($267.99)
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>cities 		ratio of food/total	ratio of clothes/total
>Guangzhou	69.8%

Obviously cantonese like to eat! Ever heard of 'eat in Guangzhou'? Hmmmm...
delicious, fantastic and fabulous Cantonese food. I miss them sooo much.

Remarks: I am from Guangzhou. :-)


-- 
Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: saito@sakura.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp (Saito Tsuneo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Who can tell me e-mail of Mrs. Cheng Yuan
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:10:28 GMT

Mrs Cheng Yuan is studying in Oxiford Univ. U.K.
Who can tell me her e-mail address?
Thanx in advanced
saito@sakura.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp

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From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Sources on Tibet
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:54:14 GMT

	There has been a lot of discussion on Tibet, but except for Joe
Wang's excerpt, very little citing of sources. I would very much like
to compile a list of books and articles on Tibet. I invite *EVERYONE* to
send me the names of books and articles which they think contain mostly
truth on the recent history of Tibet. 

	I welcome sources in any language.

	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

	Yang Ze
	Shi Chunde
	Brian Lin

	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
who asks for it.

Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: SCC: A network Chinatown
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:58:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: uxa.1992Aug30.045810.16458
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <17lhtiINNoru@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) writes:
>          SCC is a little muddy pond,
>          Everyone jumps up and down;
>          Fighting in this network Chinatown,
>          Your pleasure knows no bounds. 

Yes, scc is messy and dirty, yet it is still a Chinatown.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:21:43 GMT

In article <78486@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.053713.10429@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert) writes:
>
......
>
>It's not a matter of killing.  The Tibetans are in a very dangerous
>position from simple demographics.  The population of the Tibet
>Autonomous Region is 2 million (with maybe a third Han), and the total
>number of all Tibetans is about 6 million.  That's less than the
>population of any major city in China.
>
Tibetan population is always a number for people to play around. At
least in SCC, the discussion of population has been appeared many times.

>If the Chinese government wanted to, it could wipe out Tibetan culture
>simply by convincing about 1% of 900 million Han Chinese to move there
>to Tibet.  That "ultimate weapon" has been suggested at times, but has
>largely been rejected by the Chinese government.  (According to
>Goldstein, Han immigration has largely been confined to Lhasa, and it
>consists mainly of peasants who are searching for a better life.
>Because they consider themselves "migrants" who plan to return home to
>their native provinces, they don't feel any need to learn Tibetan.  In
>the country side, all government officials are Tibetan, you can go for
>days without seeing a Han Chinese.)
>
It might be easier to send people to moon.

>In a lot of cases, efforts at reducing ethnic tensions in Tibet have
>backfired.  For example, efforts to improve the economic condition of
>Tibet have caused to to rise above the surrounding provinces and
>produced a flood of Han peasants hoping to get rich.  Efforts to
>preserve the Tibetan culture have resulted in separate schools for
>Tibetans (which give out instruction in Tibetan) and Han (which give
>out instruction in Mandarin), and have promoted de-facto segregation
>between the two.  (I can dig out the references for all these pieces
>of information if anyone is interested.  They are all Western
>eye-witness reports on Tibet written by people with no obvious
>political motives.)
>
Do you think your examples are serious problems?

>To it's credit however, the Chinese government is taking active
>measures to "Tibetanize" the C.C.P in T.A.R.  Most of the cadres in
>Tibet as well as the Party General Secretary there are Tibetan, and
>the government has thus far not used the "ultimate weapon."
>
>(Actually, the effort to "Tibetanize" the CCP in Tibet seems to me
>to resemble greatly the successful effort to "Taiwaneseize" the KMT
>in Taiwan)

To Han people, Tibet is always looked like a remote, mysterious far far
away land.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.042457.2128@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes...
>In article <1992Aug26.235940.21388@> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>will not prevail. Ofcourse CSS should not go back to China, simply to
>>increase the literacy rate of China or scientists, engineer population among
>>gerneral populatoin. China need Chinese around all over the world too, to
>>promote good relationship with local people, to keep an eye on the local, the
>>globe egg is not much big. 
> 
>Agree, let the people themselves to decide where they want to live.
>The so called protection bill is just to give Chinese students here
>a chance to choose to stay or to go back. If someone is determined to
>stay, what's the good to force him/her to go back!?
> 
>>But worst of all kinds, in order to get better living, treatment from U.S.,
>>defame China in front of the world, is not acceptable morally, not acceptable
>>to those individuals involved.
>>China has suffered from all kinds of tragedies, please do not add another
>>one!!!!
> 
>This is not true. The people being critical to Chinese government
>have always been consistently critical. I don't see why it's "to defame
>China" for personal gains. I respect them as people struggling for 
>the benefit of all Chinese people. 
The protection bill is not just as simple as give you the choice. If somebody
told your son that he did not have to stay with you, he could stay with him, 
and the guy told you that your son was under his protection. What do you
think? After all, we are not endangered spieces. We do have the ability to
fight for our survival. We do have the right to fight for the better future
of our country. what the hell the protection bill can do
Daniel
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: English Usage (Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? )
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:41:10 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <5157@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.180443.14623@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> >
> >If two people were killed, then you say "two people survived
> >instead of one".  :-)  You see, you omit "people" if there is
> >only one.  :-)
> 
> "one people survived instead of two" sounds ok, but "one survived instead
> of two people" would be strange :)
> 

"One people survived instead of two" is not OK either.
Change that to "one person".

> -- 
> //Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:55:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>Your example about Deng's son actually supports my point. China is a lawless  
>country and some people can become as crazy as wild dogs under certain  
>circumstance. Since Han people treat Han people in this brutal way, you can  
>imagine how bad they treat Tibetans.

>Carl

Mr. Carl's arguments are illogical, especilly the last one: "Since
Han people treat Han people in this brutal way, you can imagine how
bad they treat Tibetans".  
Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: What Would Lu Xun Say?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:22:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.200253.3459@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.194025.491@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>> 
>> I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu  
>Xun, 
>> one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even 
>> fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you 
>> think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?
>> 
>> Robert Sanders
>
>I guess his mailbox would be flooded.
>
>Carl

No, he'll finish med school and go on starting fauding the medical insurance
companies and the ripping of the government like every other doctor do, and
write a book about it.  ;->

(Okay, I am only joking...)
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Tibet and Taxes
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:47:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Information about Tibet

Chinese observor, Yishan ZHANG (who attends a meeting of Human Right
Committee of the United Nations), spoke in Geneva about the situation in
Tibet on 21th August 1992. He said that  Tibetan population in Tibet is
2.19 millions, which is a double of Tibetan population in 1950,
according to 1990 Census of China. Among the whole population in Tibet,
Tibetans occupy 95.46% and Han Chinese occupy 3.7%. Since 1952, the
central government has invested near US$3 billions in Tibet and collects
no single penny of taxes out from Tibet.
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