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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gascoigne is sick...
Date: 9 Dec 92 17:55:37 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <ByyCz3.3Hy@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.145723.15127@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>>In article <1g1q5aINNbsg@oak26.doc.ic.ac.uk>, dch@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Charles Haskoll) writes:
>>> 
>>> Last night I heard a story concerning that master of tact Paul Gascoigne:
>>> 
>>
>>> [ story deleted ]
>>
>>I have read in more than one source a recent incident that took place before
>>(after ?) the England vs. Norway WC'94 qualifying game:
>>
>>A Norwegian TV crew approached Gascoigne and the TV presenter asked him:
>>"Do you have a message for the people of Norway ?"
>>to which Gazza replied with
>>"Yes, f*** off" (probably sounded something like "fook off").
>>
>>Can anyone shed some light to this story ? If it is true, how was this 
>>received in Norway ?
>>
> That story is TRUE. Gazza did not realize that the cameras were rolling
> (no excuse) BUT he apologized and explained that that was a joke. An FA
> rep. also apologized and explained it was Gazza's sense of humor. Anyway,
> the Norwegian football people said there were no hard feelings esp. knowing
> whose mouth the comment came from.

the worst thing about the whole episode is that if any other player had told
the norweigians to f*** off, the player would be in serious sh*t, but 'cos it's
gazza, then it's ok
another point is that vinnie jones appeared in a video which hardly anyone will
probably buy, but gets a $40000 fine, whereas gazza tells an entire country to
f*** off and gets away with it 
 
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From: csg068@cch.coventry.ac.uk (** DECKER **)
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.135942.23574@dmu.ac.uk> ian@dmu.ac.uk writes:
>
>To fill in the Midlands picture a little further, Coventry traditionally
>hate Leicester, while it seems that Northampton (!!) hate Coventry - at
>least that's what seemed to be implied by the 'NTFC HATE COVENTRY' graffiti
>which appeared at Filbert Street a couple of seasons ago.  Bizarre behaviour !

I beg to differ! Coventry traditionally "hate" Aston Villa. When I went to 
see Cov vs. Ipswich (we were LUCKY!), we joined in with the Cov fans
singing "We hate Villa...", as we've got them in the League Cup.

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From: jguerra@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joaquin Guerra Achem)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Menotti said good bye.
Date: 19 Dec 1992 18:31:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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     Mexico's national team coach Cesar Luis Menotti, resinged after
qualifying Mexico to the next round of World Cup eliminations in CONCACAF.
     Apparently differences with the new people incharged of Mexican Soccer
Federation, now controlled by powerful TV company TELEVISA; made Menotti
quit.

    merry christmas and happy new year!

    jguerra@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: cf124@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Claudio Ruggieri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:18:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf124@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Claudio Ruggieri)
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In a previous article, pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) says:

>
>I know I won't be disappointed when I see a video of Pele, but: Being three times world Champion doesn't mean that Pele did it all alone. It could also mean that the competition wasn't as tough as that of today.
>

	In the same way that Maradona does not deserve all credits for
Argentina winning the World Cup in 86. Bear in mind that he has to rely
on the other 10 players as well. Bring Maradona to, let's say, Japan and
we will see that he can't show 50% of his football. Linecker will start
playing here in Japan from next season. He is a great player, but I really
wonder what he is going to do playing in such a low level league.

>With tougher football environment I meant that there are more good players today than before.  Higher tempo, better skills compared to the overall tempo makes it harder to dominate a match today than 20 years ago.  There is no doubt about that.  Therefore, Maradona is the player of all times.
>
>pasand
>Trondheim, Norway
>

	I think you should say that there are so many bad players today,
that soccer has reached the same level wordwide. Just remember of the
last World Cup in Italy. Do you call that better football? Do you really
think any of those teams were better than Brazil in 1970 or Holland in
1974 (just to mention a few)? Well, may we should wait for Norway in
the next World Cup to show us a new soccer age :-) and, hopefully, 
with many goals.

	Cheers!

	Claudio Ruggieri
	Sao Paulo, Brazil


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From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool 2 Blackburn 1
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:53:18 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO


	All goals were scored within 7 minutes, with Blackburn equalising 2
minutes after the first goal.  I think Walters scored both goals for Liverpool,
but I'm not sure.

In article <Bz5IHL.EJv@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ajackson@cck.coventry.ac.uk (ALAN MICHAEL JACKSON) writes:
>
>With Kenny it was a choice between leaving Liverpool or having a
>nervous breakdown.
>
>He tried to heal the wounds of everyone who was at the Hillsbrough
>match and I respect him for that, but I am not bitter about him
>leaving Liverpool and he is sure to get a great welcome on
>Sunday.
>
>

	Btw, can someone fill me in on why Dalglish left Liverpool.  I've only
heard of his leaving but not its reason. 

>     Liverpool F.C. are simply the best !

	True!!


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From: altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer)
Subject: Re: Rules: foreign objects on field?
Reply-To: altizer@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:52:00 GMT

In article 1ggrrmINN7ag@darkstar.UCSC.EDU, pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield) writes:
>
>Question for all those other Referees out there (opinions and personal beliefs
>are great but lets get the facts):
>
>What is the rule about foreign objects interferring with the play of the ball?
>
>To further explain, here's an example:  Ball is going toward goal and before
>it gets there it is hit by a beer bottle or rock or such thrown from a 
>spectator.  Obviously no goal can be awarded since it never entered, but what
>about the reverse?  Ball is deflected into goal by foreign object?
>
>This was brought up in my ref class years back but I don't recall what was
>said.  Seems to me play would go on as if ball hit off referee or such.  I'm
>sure I could write CSA or Ref Assoc but this is so much quicker.
>
>Thanks in advance, 
>
>David
>Ref, player, refs nightmare.
>There's nothing more than a player who actually knows the rules and insists
>on telling the ref exactly where in the book the law he/she just missed is
>located, but i'd never do that.
>

Two points:

1) On the Law - if the ball touches a foreign object on the field (examples:
   dog/spectator/substitute player/goalkeeper's discarded cap), it is 
   immediately out of play.  Play is restarted by the referee dropping the
   ball at the spot where it went out of play.  (Law IX)

2) On your comment - if you truely are a referee, you'd be attending regular
   clinics and wouldn't have to rely on your "ref class years back."  And 
   you'd *NEVER* make an assinine comment like the one under your signature.

Bob

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 10 Dec 92 09:19:52 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <Bz0DKo.pK@apollo.hp.com>, moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) writes:
> -
> 
>  "Celtic and Rangers have a long rivalry based mainly on sectarian
>   differences, Celtic historically being near-exclusively Catholic,
>   and Rangers being near-exclusively Protestant, and the fact that
>   they have been traditionally two of the strongest Scottish football
>   powers."
> 
> ...is preferable to...
> 
>   "Celtic beats the #$%* out of MIM FC every chance it gets because
>    the *@&$ing huns are unwashed heathen scum that don't know what
>    a toilet looks like."

Ah but this is where you get it wrong !! Why bring in religion ? I
certainly never bring it up and neither does anyone else from Scotland
(or San Diego !!!!).  It's all to do with poking fun at each other, having
a laugh at each others strenghts and weaknesses but perhaps not taking
it too seriously. People from outside Scotland obviously can't spot the humour.
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From: math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Douglas Luo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:44 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1992Dec11.080028.6458@ugle.unit.no>, pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes...
>In article <31037@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller) writes:
>|> In article <9DEC199214454020@jane.uh.edu>, math1pu@jane.uh.edu (Douglas Luo) writes:
>|> |> Here is my top 10 teams in the world:
>|> |> 
>|> |> 1.  Argentina
>|> |> 2.  Holland
>|> |> 3.  Italy
>|> |> 4.  Germany 
>|> |> 5.  Brazil
>|> |> 6.  Russia
>|> |> 7.  England
>|> |> 8.  France
>|> |> 9.  Cameroon
>|> |> 10. Sweden
>|> |> 
>|> |> The best midfielder of all time will have to go to Diego Maradona.
>|>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> 
>|> You must be too young not to have ever seen Pele play.  Gi'me a break,
>|> I'd rather have one Pele in my team than 2 Maradona.

Well, Nelson, I don't know what kind of soccer you play. You may have any one 
on your team and it wouldn't make any difference. 

By the way, I have tapes from World Cups 58, 62, 66, and 70. One has to admitt
that the 1970 Brazilian team which won the Cup is the best of all time. But
they would have won it without Pele anyways as they did in 1966.

Doug
From: cep@cs.nott.ac.uk (Charlie Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:57:31 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <Bz3CM9.IG0@dcs.ed.ac.uk> gsin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Garry Sinclair) writes:
>In article <Bz1Hr7.Dx5@cen.ex.ac.uk>, cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel) writes:
>> Wolves obviously hate West Brom ( they are just down the road from each other)
>> Coventry hate Villa ( `cause they are  the only premier league west midlanders)
>> Brum hate Villa ( they are just down the road from each other )
>> Exeter hate Plymouth ( same division and fairly close )
>> Spurs hate Arsenal ( incase you had not noticed )
>> Man Utd and Man City ( obvious )
>> same with the Nottingham clubs and Sheffield ones and Bristol ones.
>> Newcastle and Sunderland ( and Middlesborough ??? )
>> Oxford hate Swindon (  a bit one sided this as swindon hate 
>> one of the Bristol clubs, though I can`t remember which one )
>> 
>> The list is endless of course.
>> 
>
>I dont think Rangers and Celtic like each other very much either.
>They have to be the most obvious rivals in europe.

Roma/Lazio (and the Turin/Milan/Genoa pairs to a lesser extent)

Barcelona/Real Madrid (watched by 115,000 whistling fans in the Nou Camp)

Charlie
From: bssbb3gjm3@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Great Britain National Teams
Date: 10 Dec 92 13:54:28 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec10.093210.1654@maths.tcd.ie>, ewood@maths.tcd.ie (Gareth Hinds) writes:
> statlab1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
>>Here is something I have been wondering about for many years.
> 
>>Why does FIFA and UEFA allow Great Britain to be represented with 
>>four national teams? 
> 
>>Why doesn't any country complain about it?
> 
>>What do the readers of this list think about it?
> 
>>Stavros.
> 
> Why shouldn't they allow this? All four are countries in their own right, and 
> more to the point have fully separate domestic league setups. The arrangement
> has been a sore point for various countries over the years, but in my opinion,
> the four so-called `home countries' are an important part of the heritage of
> the game. It's not as if there is a lack of interest or support for each
> national side or even a radically lower standard of football in comparison
> with the rest of the world (temporary fluctuations aside). The main argument
> against it seems to be that most of the players play in the English League,
> but that's just because it attracts the best players (and the same could be saidabout the Italian League). Politics should not influence football issues and
> therefore I would argue in favour of the present situation.
> 
> 					Gareth Hinds
> 					ewood@maths.tcd.ie


I agree with the above the above sentiments, however although it is true that
the majority of the players in the Welsh and N.Irish teams play in the English
League, this is certainly not the case with the Scotland team.


Andy Roxburgh's ideal team is probably something like:

A. GORAM (RANGERS)
M. MALPAS (DUNDEE UNITED)
R. GOUGH (RANGERS)
D. MacPHERSON (RANGERS)
S. McKIMMIE (ABERDEEN)
I. DURRANT (RANGERS)
P. McSTAY (CELTIC)
G. McALISTAIR (LEEDS UNITED)
S. McCALL (RANGERS)
A. McCOIST (RANGERS)
G. DURIE (RANGERS)

It can be seen from this that only one player is from the English League.

Therefore, the above reasoning can hardly be applied to Scotland.


Cheers,

        Choppy.
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Derby want to leave Baseball Ground!!
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:35:12 GMT

In article <1ga93sINNspp@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>Hope your ticker's in good working order Garry!

Ummmnnnnggnnngggghhhh.......


>From today's Guardian:
>
>"Derby County have decided to leave the Baseball Ground where they have
>played for 100 years. But the move to a new all-seat stadium within the
>city will only go ahead if the local council is awarded Government money
>for redevelopment."

Shocking news indeed, Bruce.  A tragedy indeed!  

Many of you, especially our Yankee readers, may have wondered why Derby's
home ground is called the "Baseball Ground".  Especially after the recent
thread ("Awful pitches I have known") that disappeared down some blackhole.

Taken from "The Official Football League Yearbook":

"The Baseball Ground was first built by the owner of the near foundry,
 Francis Ley, as a sports ground for his workers.  Baseball was played
 their for several years after The Rams' move there in 1895.  After the
 war (WWII - GA), the club missed out on a chance to build the most
 revolutionary stadium in Europe, designed by Maxwell Ayrton, who had
 worked on Wembley Stadium in the 1920s.  The club settled, instead,
 for improvements to the Baseball Ground."

The way I heard it, a number of Americans, working at Ley's and Rolls Royce
in Derby, were homesick enough to make their own baseball field back then
in the late nineteenth century.  Eventually, the popularity of football
won out.  Derby County Football Club moved in and a small stadium was built.
It was called the Baseball Ground in honour of its early history.

In later times, DCFC built a new stand and named it the Ley Stand in honour
of Frank Ley.  Ley's works is still a neighbour of the Baseball Ground.



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For the Campaign to bring back Brian Clough and The Mud Bog to Derby County FC.
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From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen)
Subject: World's best referee
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:34:34 GMT

Dear Soccerers,

In this contest-rich time, there should be some
room left for an award for the world's best
referee. 

I know: for most of the net it is easier to have
a price for the world's worst referee, but I do
not want to be the initiator of that.

Any ideas?



					Regards,

					Ed.

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From: schraag@lri.jur.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Subject: UEFA Cup, quarter final draw.
Organization: Social Science Informatics
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:28:37 GMT
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Have not seen this posted yet.

Auxerre (France) - Ajax (Holland)
Real Madrid (Spain) - Paris St Germain (France)
AS Roma (Italy) - Borussia Dortmund (Germany)
Benfica (Portugal) - Juventus (Italy)

Those matches are played on 3 march, return on 17 march.

You can place your bets now,  joost.

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From: dmg@st-andrews.ac.uk (David Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Montreal got a new concession in the APSL
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:04:46 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews

In article <Bz0qnL.K8A@DMI.USherb.CA> bedaj00@DMI.USherb.CA (JOEL BEDARD) writes:
>
>Today, in "Le journal de Montreal" made an article about that.
>This news will be official tomorrow.
>
>The announce will be made by Bill Sage at the Sheraton center.
>
>The APSL got now 6 team:
>
>   -> Montreal
>   -> Vancouver
>   -> Los Angeles
>   -> Miami/Fort Lauderdales
>   -> Tampa Bay
>   -> Colorado
>
>Good news for soccer fan in Montreal and the rest of North America!
>
>     Joel
>
>-- 
>Joel Bedard       E-Mail :  bedaj00@dmi.usherb.ca
>
>Universite de Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada


A lot of articles mention the APSL but no one ever describes it. Does anyone
know anything about it?

What sort of interest is there in the league : are the teams well known in
their home towns? Do they get decent write ups in local or national newspapers?
What sort of attendances to the matches get? Are any matches on TV?

Also about the actual league itself: does anyone watch any of the games?
What standard is the football thats played?

Which is the most succesful team? and have any APSL teams played friendlies 
against foreign teams, and if so how have they done?

As someone who doesn't know anything about football in the US I'd like to
know how popular the current league is.

Thanks,
David.