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From: jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney)
Subject: Re: Bajoran noses
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:44:20 GMT

Barry.Kapke@f133.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Barry Kapke) writes:
>Does anyone besides me find Bajoran noses incredibly sexy? Both Ensign Ro
 (from STTNG) and First Officer Kira Nerys (from DS9) certainly captivate my aesthetic sense.

Definitely sexy.  An informal pole of both pierced and non-pierced
friend shows they are in unanimous decision.  But would be as attractive
if it were men with the noses and/or if the women who had them weren't
already so beautiful?  I see it as an enhancement to their intrinsic
beauty.  But I guess that only makes sense...
--
Jeff Burney
202-606-4570 jburney@argos.nodc.noaa.gov
Ocean Climate Lab
NOAA/National Oceanographic Data Center
From: acase@reed.edu (Andrew Case)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: small nipple...placement o' pierce?
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:10:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan12.031024.13837
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan11.204851.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Has anyone else had their nipples pierced outside of the nipple area because
>they have small nipples?  
Yes.
I have fairly small nipples. When I got mine pierced, the entry and exit
holes were placed well into the Aureola (sp?) I am satisfied with the
results, thought I could be happier. Incidentaly, my pierced nipple has
enlarged somewhat since I got it perforated. 

On an unrelated note - I have found that the magnitude of sensation
available from my pierced nipple has not changed much (if anything, it has 
decreased). However, the texture of sensation is quite different (and
most pleasant :-)). Anyone else notice something similar?

......Andrew
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From: wolfie@netcom.com (Cinnamon DeWolf)
Subject: Tattoos and such...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:50:09 GMT

I'm having an interesting problem I was wondering if any of you could shed any
light on...

I got a tattoo about two and a half years ago. It's about 6inches in diameter
on my left hip, full color, all fine line work. Well, it healed up very nicely
and I never had any problems until recently. I was out rollerblading one
day and took one hell of a nasty fall, and fell on that side of my body. My
keys, which were in that pocket, ripped a hole in both the inside and the
outside of the jeans, and gave me a slight abrasion/cut dirctly on the tat.
That also healed up - Sorta. Now I have something akin to a raised welt, or
series of bumps on the tattoo, that about half the time itch like a 
sonofabitch. From close examination I can see the skin itself is not discolored,
just raised. Anyone have any ideas on what that is, and if there's anything
that can be done?

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From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: good news and bad news...help!
Organization: UCCSN-SCS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:38:36 GMT

bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>I did it!  My left nipple is now adorned with a 14g circular barbell.  It's
>healing beautifully.
>
>I love it and think it's absolutely beautiful.  However, I've been having
>graphic nightmares of my rig getting ripped out or sawing itself out of 
>my nipple.  Has anyone else experienced this with a piercing?  I think it's
>because I have this new thing hanging off a sensitive part of my body.

I worried about this a lot when I had my nipple pierced.  The first
two nights I wore a t-shirt and a 2"x2" bandage over my nipple when
I went to bed.  On the third night I couldn't stand wearing the
t-shirt so I took it off.  By the morning of the fourth day the skin
around my nipple started breaking out so I had to stop wearing the
bandages.  I switched to first aid tape for a couple of nights then
I finally gave up.

Now I sleep totally unprotected and have no problems.

What is the diameter of your nipple ring.  Mine is 1/2" so it's
pretty hard to get it caught on anything in bed.  A larger ring
could definitely be a problem.

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p
This signature is not Politically Correct, just differently worded!
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: good news and bad news...help!
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:49:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:

['mine is bigger' discussion']     :)

> I guess wearing a ring that large could be handy--it's always
> nice to have a spare napkin ring hanging around.  ;-)

Also a good place to put a spare key!

> So, what sizes are popular out there in net.land?

Mine are.. Looks like about 7/8" diameter. (Took them out to carry some
heavy equipment, so they're sitting on my keyboard. Somebody wanted to
know what it was; told him it's "an earring, sorta" :)
From: c_mcdon@pavo.concordia.ca (MCDONNELL, CATHERINE)
Subject: Re: Nose jewelry
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:18:00 GMT

Thebes writes:
> 
>I'm also looking for a special type of nose stud I heard about in Modern
>Primatives, it is just long enough to go through the nostral and has a circular
>metal clip that fastens on the inside... no one I've talked too has even heard
>of these, not even the wonderful people at Gauntlet.

The design is a traditional Indian one. I've seen them here in stores
that sell Indian and Indonesian crafts and jewelry.
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From: ruthc@sco.COM (Ruth Colby)
Subject: hibiclens & yeast infections
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:37:35 GMT


I got my labia pierced on new year's eve.  since then, I used hibiclens
twice a day, sometimes three, up until two days ago.  it seems that it
is so good at killing bacteria & other microorganisms that the normal
flora & fauna living in my vagina got out of balance & gave me a yeast
infection.

I've stopped using hibiclens & am treating the infection.  things seem
fine.

the piercing never really seemed like it needed hibiclens in the first
place.

anyone else have this problem?  as someone else said, are we americans
too anal about cleansing fresh piercings?

-r
-- 
i almost electrocuted myself trying to piss in the hedges, but it was worth it.
							-timmie rotarian
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From: an4754@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Ark.... Nipples & Size
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:57:28 GMT

> I have no experience of nipple pierces, but some doctor must be, or will be,
> helping you go through with your hormone treatment, and that doctor is
> IMHO the best person to ask for advice.  You are going to have to
> trust the doctor with your sex change, so trust him/her to advise you on any
> problems your piercing may present.  When it comes to the hormone treatment,
> this doctor will have to be satisfied that there won't be serious problems due
> to the pierce.  So however much the doctor is familiar (or not) with
> piercings,
> his/her opinion is important to you.

This would be the ultimate situation, but unfortunately is not possible.
The british goverment have attacked the national health service enough
now to have almost completely wrecked it.  (I'm in the U.K. as you can
probably guess.)  As it is I've been trying for the past few months to get
basic help here, just vague counsilling relating to transsexual issues
would be a good enough start.  Unfortunately nothing has happened, and
with waiting lists it is still likely to be many months/possibly years
before I even see a counciller related to this subject let alone start
taking hormones officially etc.  I don't even know yet whether sexual
re-assignment surgey happens on the N.H.S. as it is!

Because of this I may end up having to 'go it alone' and do most
of my transition myself, particularly with hormones; and perhaps
travel abroad for S.R.surgery.  Unfortunately even with serious
depression and suicide attempts no further help has been suplied by
the health service here (which remember unless you are VERY well
payed and can afford the recently growing private health schemes
here it is all there is.)

I don't want to do all of this underground, but as the others in
alt.transgendered well know, I may be forced to due to the state
of the U.K. health service now....

.. this of course means no advice regarding subjects like this
from doctors!!!!


Love 'n' Hugs,
        Julie  XXXXX
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From: sldesroc@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Shannon L. Desroches)
Subject: nipple piecings
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:22:12 EST

their advice so freely re:  peircing the nipples of plentifully endowed breasts.
Having receibed only one "nay" onthe subject, (plenty o' affirmatives) I took theh
e plunge three days ago.  Pain, YES!, but it was quick, and in a matter of minutet
es I had two shining gold rings to match the one in my navel.  No problems so fara
r.  (Except when my cat jumps on my  h  chest--no more supine Star Trek TNG
watching for a while).

Those of you who are in so California might be interested to know about the 
piercer.  He is:

	Michael Miller
	(714) 49  oh, wait, that's my munber

	(714)535-2180

He is extremely skilled, patient, and explains everything thoroughly.  He is 
also a certified EMT, so if anyone faints he can take care of them as well. 
By appointment only--based in Anaheim.  He does house calls.

I found it extremely halpful in terms of taking the edge off of the pain--
	to bring friends with me the 
at all of my piercings and also when getting a tat.  (Especially when getting a
tattoo--you won't notice the pain as much if you're deep in conversation)  My
two bits, anyhow--someone asked about this a while back.


I was in Vancouver, B.C. over the break, and tried to get a tatto on my foot.
the artist refused, saying theat both foot, hand tattoos (oh, and bikini area
tats) do not take ink well, and would look like (insert expletive) in a couple
of years.  Hmmm.  I found this intriguing, as I have seen many hand and foot 
tats by reputabel artists (Hankey Panky, Avalon Tattoo in San Diego, etc.)
ANY input would be greatly appreciated, since I still want it done (or, rather,
finished--it's a work in progress )  Would this only be applecable to fine-line
stuff?  We're talking about below th  ankle.  

If anyone's going to the tat convention theis weekind in Schenectady, I'll be
seeing you there.

Sorry about the crummy typos and shet, and thatn (thanks) in advance.

--SHAN
L.A. transplant stuck in Siberia--AGAIN.

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From: jher@wixer.cactus.org (Jher)
Subject: Re: Images
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 10:01:42 GMT

	Post more! I especially liked the one with the strings! That was neat
(for lack of a better descriptor).  Do you have a "mixed" pictures? Such as
a man and a women in the same layout?  Thanks again...


-- 
 There is it. There is nothing you can do about it. PLAY THE GAME. Tag! 
				YOU'RE IT
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From: aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey)
Subject: Re: piercing in the greater northwest.
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 03:23:04 GMT

In article <hurd.726787275@sfu.ca> hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
>
>Hmm, Mack's Leathers in Vancouver, very good peircer there by the name of
>Paul.  Address: right downtown, on Granville, about four or five blocks
>south of Robson.  Can't get you more info now I'm afraid, but others here
>may be able to get it if you need it.

Mack's Leathers inc.
1020 Granville Street
(604) 688-6225

Paul Matsi is the guys who does the piercings. He did my nipple about
a year ago, and he did a really great job. I highly recommend him.

BTW- something that I've been curious about. I've been thinking of getting
     a Prince Albert, and I've been wondering if there is any problems
     with wearing condoms after -> as in them ripping, etc... This is
     really the only thing holding me back at this point. Anybody out
     there have any comments on this?  Thanks alot.


Aaron Ramsey
aramsey@ugly.uvic.ca    Victoria, BC   Canada

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From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Subject: Re: SF tatoos
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:12:58 GMT

In article <1il548INN284@cronkite.cisco.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:
>>anythig out, please let me know.  I wanted to go to Tattoo City, but
>>couldn't get in--I'm dying to try Eddie Deutsch's work
>
>	A word of caution about Eddie; he has a tendancy to do
>	work HIS way, rather than YOUR way. SO if you want HIS art,
>	or HIS version of your art, he's *great*. But if you're picky
>	about EXACT details, I would suggest you not work with him.

I brought him a specific design for a deltoid piece and he was
actually pretty nice about getting the details right.  Part of
the design was a griffin, rampant, and that was clearly where
he put his efforts, but he still cared enough to get the rest
just right.  I can be out drinking in a swarm of inked flesh
and people will still pick out my piece and say, "Hey, dude,
nice tatt!"  Usually when I see what the other guy has
permanently inked into his flesh, I'm doubly glad I had Eddie
do the piece.

While we're on the subject, has anyone had him do an Inca
design?  He had tracings of Incan figures in his sketchbook the last
time I was in TC but no pictures of actual work.  Now I've
seen a design I might want done.
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From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: home piercing...
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:15:25 GMT

See the sequel film to Manon des Sources (forgotten it's name, tch)
for home nipple piercing. I won't be doing it for a while.... :-)




Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
"All I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power"  A. Brilliant
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.


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From: an1796@anon.penet.fi (Thor)
Subject: Images
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:13:51 GMT


Just thought I'd stop by and mention that I've started uploading scans
from my collection of piercing pictures to
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica and I guess some of them may be of
interest to the readership of this group. I'm currently working on a
couple of "Erotic Passion" magazines from Creative Art Collection,
Luxembourg but I'll be moving on to other sources soon.

Happy poking!

Thor
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From: markr@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Ark.... Nipples & Size
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:56:31 GMT
Organization: Very Little

In article <1993Jan4.004637.7695@fuug.fi>, an827@anon.penet.fi writes:

> ... I appeal to the wide spread of knowledge on rec.arts.bodyart
> for advice on whether it would be best to get the piercings before going on
> hormones, or afterwards when they have finished growing?  One concern
> is that I am told that the nipples can get quite sore during the breast
> growth.....
> 
> Any advice would be dearly appreciated.
> 

I have no experience of nipple pierces, but some doctor must be, or will be,
helping you go through with your hormone treatment, and that doctor is
IMHO the best person to ask for advice.  You are going to have to
trust the doctor with your sex change, so trust him/her to advise you on any
problems your piercing may present.  When it comes to the hormone treatment,
this doctor will have to be satisfied that there won't be serious problems due
to the pierce.  So however much the doctor is familiar (or not) with piercings,
his/her opinion is important to you.

Good Luck!
From: xine@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (the strawberry girl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: tattoo changes.
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:32:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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	i have a tattoo which is a little over a year old;  it is a black
	and blue daisy above my left breast.  i have noticed two changes
	in the area lately:

	change #1:  a mole i have close to my left armpit above my breast
	(about 3 inches away from the tat) has changed:  it used to be
	a round, dark brown mole, and now it is an irregular, half-dark-
	brown/half-orangish-tan mole.  i noticed this when the tattoo was
	@11 months old.  could this change have been made by having the 
	tattoo close to it?  i know, i'm grasping for straws..

	change #2:  the center of the daisy is the blue part, and it seems
	that the petal `next to' the mole is leaking black into the center.
	i just noticed this yesterday, and thought it was kind of wierd.
	could this be connected to the mole thing, or is it just getting old
	or am i grasping at straws again?

			all help/comments/advice/cash rebates appreciated.

				thanks,
				 xine
--
xine@wpi.wpi.edu... 
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 silent all these years... years go by, will i still be waiting for somebody 
 else to understand?"		--Girl in Box With Tiny Piano
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From: redman@selway.umt.edu (Punya J C M Poesthe'umouruss-Sujjestchun)
Subject: piercing in the greater northwest.
Organization: University of Montana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:59:04 GMT

Like the sub line says i'm looking for any information on piercing parlors
and or tatoo shops that have piercers in or around spokane, seattle, 
or anywhere in washington for that matter, and idaho and montana and 
wyoming (as a last resort, rather go to seattle or spokane or portland,
ore.).  i would need addresses and names and if possible prices for the jewel-
ry and the pierces.  the pierces that i want to know about are nostril, eye
brow, and tongue.

i thank all of you in advance for any help, comments and advice.

yours truly,

	redman@selway.umt.edu

-- 
Punya                   Jehosaphatmanonaydimleelitdock          Continjensyplan
Metamorefotosintheesispaypur                        Poesthe'umourus-Sujjestchun
"Tell me something I don't know, Sell me something I can use, Push the buttons,
From: hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: re: hibiclens and yeast infections
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:38:16 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

I have not had this hybiclens/labia/yeast infection thing happen with my
genital piercing.  the woman who pierced me told me to use hydrogen peroxide
and povidone-iodine solution 2 times a day for a month.  for the first week, I
was also to use triple antibiotic ointment.  she stressed the need to make sure
that all of the iodine was removed from the skin, so it woud not irritate. for
the firt two weeks, i was faithful. however, I have slacked off, only cleaning
it occasionally.  Maybe it is because I have an iron-clad immunity, but my
parts have not become infected, or fallen off my body.
	from what i hear about hybiclens, it sounds kind of harsh.  the
treatment combo i have been using seems gentler.  also, too much of one thing
is a bad thing.  my own personal theory is that part of the worry about
infection and fear of our own bodies derives from the messages of "health and
beauty aids" ads: "cover the smell of your crotch with this spray", "you need
protection during that time of the month" [from what, i ask, myself?], "men and
women are different species and therefore need two sets of everything for every
season, every outfit, every moment", etc.  I digress
	maybe in the future, you might want to try a different cleaning
schedule and different anti-bacteriants (is that a word?)

p.s.-I don't get the opportunity to say it in my day-to-day life, but I LOVE MY
LABIA RING.  do you?
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From: danb@daver.mentorg.com (Daniel Boughton)
Subject: Re: piercing in the greater northwest.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:16:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

Ahna Edwards of Attitudes in Portland, OR does good work and she's a nice person
to boot.  If Seattle is closer, she does workshops there about once a month.

The cost depends upon the jewelry and difficulty of pierce.  I don't happen
to know the cost of the pierces you are interested in but I do know she does
them.  I think the workshops may have better rates.  I had my nose done - it
cost $20 for the jewelry (nostril screw) and $20 for the pierce.  It included
supplies for keeping the pierce clean while healing.

Attitudes
" A Hole New Experience "
1017 S.W. Morrison
Studio 312
Portland, OR 97205
(503) 224-0050

They are open on Saturdays.  Appointments are available (for privacy).
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