From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Saddamn
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:53:25 GMT

In <4998@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

" Actually, as we are referring to the Gulf War, the scholars
" rejected and denounced both Western intervention and Saddam's
" invasion.  Of course the Islamic position was to "resist the
" imperialist invasion ... which is pan-Arab, Islamic, and universal
" responsibility", "to liberate the Islamic world from any foreign
" tutelage".  [Dr. Arabiyyat, Brotherhood spokesman]

   I would have preferred quoting a decent scholar, not one that I
would not let shine my shoes (when I wear a pair; I prefer sports
shoes.)

" The overall
" philosophy was in accordance with mainstream Islamic thought in
" that "disputes must be settled within an Arab or Islamic framework",

   "Arab framework" exists in Islam? You live and learn!

" but there was still the question of Saddam's vindication of his
" invasion of another Muslim nation [nation comprised of Muslim peoples
" verses structure of government].  Furthermore, the legitimacy,
" Islamically of declaring jihad [especially on Israel], as a means of
" fueling support among Muslims.  There was still the uncertainty with
" the concepts of jihad and what it meant and how it was applied in
" "international politics", apart from the fact that Saddam is not a
" Muslim leader. 

   But there was a couple of other major "Islamic" opinions: one in
the conference in SA which concluded that jihad against Iraq is a duty
on every Muslim; and another in Baghdad, which supported Iraqi stance
against USA and other bastards.

" And Assad, also under pressure, declared 'ashado anla ellaha elallah,
" wa ashado ana Mohammeden rasool Allah' publically, because he knew
" that no Muslims could call on his assassination.  How can you say
" that you do not support Saddam Hussein as a Muslim believer, yet claim,
" with knowledge of his deeds, that you "cannot say that he's not a
" true islamic believer at this point"?  Remember the words of Allah
" [Subhanna Wa Ta'ala] in Hadith Qudsi:  "O My servants, I have forbidden
" oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not
" oppress one another...", "Truly of those devoted to Me the one I favor
" is a believer who is of meagre means and much given to prayer, who has
" been particular in the worship of his Lord and has obeyed Him inwardly,
" who was obscure among people and not pointed out, and whose sustenance
" was just sufficient to provide for him yet he bore this patiently...",
" and, "Paradise and Hell-fire disputed together, and Hell-fire said: In me
" are the mighty and the haughty.  Paradise said: In me are the weak and the
" poor..."

   Thinking about the above verses we achieve that Muslims don't exist,
at least not now, which is a great achievement in itself. The above
expressed knowledge of Islam and Koran is naive and superficial.

" >We could say he wrote "Allah o Akbar" on the iraqi flag
" >to gain islamic support only, but why don't we apply the
" >same analigy to Hamas as well.

" The difference is that the Brotherhood calls for an Islamic
" State and justice, fi sabeelellah.  They are pure and
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" believers in Allah Subhanna Wa Ta'ala.  Thousands died as a
" result of their belief in Allah and Al-Quoran Al-Kareem.

   God knows; "la tuzakkU 'anfusakum."

" The criminal Saddam has massacred millions of innocent people,
" including gassing women and children, who called on Islam and
" their rights as Muslims.  He has waged usless wars for his
" profit and benefit politically, with the toll being the innocent
" Muslim people.  Saddam's Political Party is against the Holy
" Quoran and the Laws of Islam.
"
    Who isn't?

" If he had the tiniest ounce of fear of Allah The Almighty, he
" would be repenting instead of defiantly breaking the treaties
" that he made with his ex-collaborators, at the further expense
" of Muslim people.

   I can't stiffle a laugh.


** I am against writing "Allahu Akbar," "La ilaha illa allah, ..."
on any flag. No one is more God-fearing than the Prophet MPBUH, and
he did not do it, why you, idiots and hypocrites? It reminds me of
raising Koran on spear tips in Siffeen.