HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shl@ais.org (Stephen Landman)
Subject: Re: I sort of miss Eugene!
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:42:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.225309.11931@news.media.mit.edu> mjb@media.mit.edu (Molly Bancroft) writes:
>I miss GREEN grass. I miss that foggy beginning to every day,
>the soft drizzle, the three-wheel home-made bicycles.  The 
>most excellent breakfast places, the Excelsior Cafe, the
>jazz community in Eugene (is the oregon electric station still
>there?) Um, all those radical marxists still on the faculty!
>
>most of all I miss hopping in a car with a bunch of other people
>and going to the coast, renting a cabin for $30 a night, and
>having the whole beach to yourself...that wide open untouched surf.
>
>AM I ROMANTICIZING IT????
>
>Ok, some things weren't so great: football, rain, rain, rain.
>
>
No.  I thought I must have romanticized it too, after being away
for several years.  When I went back to visit, and spent a few
days at the cabin called West Wind at Edgewater, near Florence, again,
and camped in the mountains and canoed in a high mountain lake,
quiet as possible, with peaks on three sides; well, what more can
be said.

I didn't like it that they roped off part of Seal Rock, and black
topped paths there.  We used to picnic there, even in February.
Now our picnic spot is "off limits."  Too much erosion, I guess.

Well, it's been a number of years again, so I'll have to be heading
back to refresh the soul.

>
>
>


Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: alexande@borland.com (Mark Alexander)
Subject: Re: Influx of Californians?  Gee--what a surprise!
Originator: alexande@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:03:52 GMT

In article <1eknapINNope@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
>They went to California lookin' for gold, found nothing, and
>now want to come to Oregon... I've been torturing my brain trying to
>think of some way to fix this problem, and come up with zip.

Simply double the selling prices of all homes in Oregon (thereby bringing
them up to California level), and your problem will be solved instantly.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: jeff@tessi.com (Jeff Hemmerling)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:24:49 GMT

You all forgot the classic mispronunciation I always hear of Tigard.

Wrong:  tig-ard  (like Tiger in Winnie the Pooh)
Right:  ti-gard

Brought to you by your local pronunciation police :).

-- Jeff Hemmerling (jeff@tessi.com)
-- Portland, OR
-- 

-- Jeff Hemmerling <jeff@tessi.com>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: franks@synoptics.com (Frank Stutzman)
Subject: Re: New thread
Reply-To: franks@synoptics.com
Organization: Synoptics Inc. Santa Clara, California.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:56:11 GMT

In article 29473@leland.Stanford.EDU, lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:

>Hey... about Corvallis... you forgot Woodstock's Pizza!

Woodstock's (sigh).  Knew there was something missing in my life.  

And in a simular vein, is the Old World Center still there?

Does Steve at Kinkos still have a monster pleco in his aquarium?
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: A Good Home
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:56:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov18.182655.7462@ncsu.edu> mfdanie@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL FREDRIC DANIEL) writes:
>Wow. The way you guys talk about it, I'm homesick for Corvallis too!
>Strange since I've never lived more than 2 hours from the Atlantic.
>People need a home more than they need a place to live.
>
>Comments?
>
Corvallis is a nice place to live.  Come visit sometime.  If you have
allergies bring plenty of medication.  Other than that...a great place
to live.  
Paul


-- 
                          * * * * * * *
"It is possible to join forces, to identify common goals, and to agree on
 common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
From: bosticj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jason Bostick)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:20:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

Try this one:Ya-Qwi-na(yaquina)

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:22:53 GMT

>>What do you miss most about the Beaver State?

Well, I'm here in Oregon, so I don't miss a single thing.
But there are things I will miss once I graduate in about a year and half.

Fred Meyer
Powell's Books
Pioneer Courthouse Square
Art on the sidewalks of downtown Portland
MAX
Lloyd Center
OMSI (I've just been there, and had a blast!)
The Rose Festival

and of course, Lewis & Clark College!


-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Influx of Californians?  Gee--what a surprise!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:09:13 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov20.111347.24071@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>I don't see why everyone is so surprised that neighboring states are
>experiencing a sizeable influx of Californians--what would you expect?
>Wyomingans?  

I personally am not surprised - I mean, if you live in a pit, but you
are free to move to a paradise.... No I don't think the general
sentiment being echoed here is surprise - it is more along the lines of
unhappiness - unhappiness in seeing what the flow of Californians is
doing to the state.

>
>California is the most populous state in the nation, and much larger than its
>neighbors.  If you assume that CAers move out of state as much as everyone
>else, then naturally surrounding states will see a large inflow.

Maybe... but why can't they go back to where they came from in the first
place? :)   They went to California lookin' for gold, found nothing, and
now want to come to Oregon... I've been torturing my brain trying to
think of some way to fix this problem, and come up with zip... maybe a
bubonic plague scare or something... a band of really hostile loggers
listening to "A Country Boy Can Survive" on repeat at the OR-CA border
as a welcoming committee?  I still wish the 'Visit... but Don't Stay'
sign could have went up... really.



-- 
   ______________________________________________________
   | Travis Stansbury, Yale '94  || 2358 Yale Station   |
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: dalal@atavachron.wbst129.xerox.com (K. Michael Dalal)
Subject: Klamath Falls
Keywords: n
Organization: Xerox Corporation
Distribution: alt.culture.oregon
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:48:12 GMT

Hello People!

I'm glad to see a newsgroup about the most beautiful state in the nation.  Yes, I can say that after having lived in the midwest and the east coast after leaving the town I grew up in:  little ol' Klamath Falls.

I miss the mountains, rivers, fishing, camping at Lake of the Woods...

Anyone else on the net from K. Falls?            

	Khalil Micheal Dalal
	dalal.wbst129@xerox.com

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Re: transplanted...
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:26:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.005835.9459@lclark.edu> higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa) writes:
>Nah nah nah.  But where does the name come from, that the "h" in Aloha, OR
>is silent?  Someone told me that it was the name of a railroad junction and
>town came to called by that name.  The resemblance is uncanny.

Well, as a current resident of Aloha (great town :-) ) I've heard two
stories:

The first claims that the name was chosen by a recent visitor to Hawaii, and
said name was chosen to sound unique enough to get the railway station.

The other claims that its an Indian word, actually pronounced Alhoa, but
it was mispelled early on.
-- 
Seth J. Bradley, Senior System Administrator, Intel SCIC
Internet: sbradley@scic.intel.com   UUCP: uunet!scic.intel.com!sbradley
----------------------------------------
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
From: lindaa@sooth.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Wanna Scare Off Californians?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:46:22 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sooth.berkeley.edu

Want to frighten off Californians?  Just *tell* them how much rain
falls in (plug-in name of hometown here!)  

My father-in-law, a transplant from (uggh!) Hemet, California (the pit
of San Bernadino County) *hates* the rain in Portland and is desperate
to move to Chico, California.

There is some hope; however, we San Franciscans, who live in perpetual
fog, aren't frightened of a little rain...(heh, heh!) 

-- 
   $  Linda Absher		$ "Jane! Get me off of this               $ 
   $  lindaa@info.Berkeley.EDU	$      crazy thing!!!"                    $
   $				$    -George Jetson, "The Jetsons"        $
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Woodstocks Pizza
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:28:55 GMT

In article <1ehfs2INNgak@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> @prism.cs.orst.edu () writes:
>In article <1ehebdINNfh1@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> bosticj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jason Bostick) writes:
>>I feel sorry for you Guys...Woodstocks is Great at 10:00 at night.
>
>Believe it or not, Woodstock's was/is a chain.  I remember seeing one
>in San Diego near SDSU.
>
>Don't think they had the Suds & Suds next door though.  Ahh, laundry
>and a few brewskis.  What a great concept.

Woodstocks: Corvallis, San Luis Obispo, Isla Vista, Davis, Chico, Santa
Barbara.  You get to memorize these things when you work at the place and
drink from a squeeze bottle that has these names on it for 3 1/2 years.

Bill
>
From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: <<sigh>>
Date: 22 Nov 1992 18:11:13 -0500
Organization: Yale University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

Well it's that time of year again - Thanksgiving...  I think that
spending Thanksgiving away from friends and family in Oregon is one of
the most depressing things possible.  I mean, I can just picture the
scene at home: warm fire, family gathered around the table, food spread
out .... and here I am eating my Ramen noodles.  Geez.  Oh well, soon
enough I'll be back home - enjoying the mild winter of the Southern
Oregon Coast... I can't wait!

-- 
   ______________________________________________________
   | Travis Stansbury, Yale '94  || 2358 Yale Station   |
   | travis@minerva.cis.yale.edu || New Haven, CT 06520 |
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From: mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: New thread, and what I miss
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:42:15 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

> How about Tom Peterson's? WAKE UP! WAKE UP! 

I hope you all know that this group came about because of alt.fan.tom-peterson.
I guess we could have called this one alt.rimsky.korsikoffee-house as a way
of letting the _real_ Oregonians know what's going on without letting all
the other Philistines in! :-)  

What I miss:  Sunrise over Mt. Hood as seen from our house in Sherwood (many
sighs -- we sold it to come here...), making out at the turnout on the 
Terwilliger curves :-), the food at Jerry's Gables (on 13th just north of 
Powell), the unearthly quiet at the old OHSU library, the sublime quiet
waaaay back in Powell's, the ever-flowing water fountains, the Rose 
Parade & Festival (including all the quasi-druidic aspects :-) ), OMSI, 
my grandparents' B&B in Pacific City, salmon Whenever You Want, NO SALES
TAX (Ontario has 15%!), frisbee golf at Tek Wilsonville, late nights at
OGI, the lights on the bridges downtown, the Banfield Speedway :-), 
the Lewis & Clark campus on rainy days, Cinema 21, a nifty little 
stretch of the Mackenzie river that I know, the popular ballot form of
government, Bud Clark (may his _tavern_ doors never close!), Timberline
Lodge, "Lights Out" on KINK, Wilhelm Farms & their neighbors, singing
around the community Christmas tree in Sherwood with people I don't 
know, the equestrian police and their very polite (to young children)
horses, and most of all, the liberal-yet-conservative (they may not go
to church but they have their own gardens) folks all around the state.

Sorry, I had no idea this would go on so long.  I guess I really do miss it.

--
              Mike Sellers      User Interface Team Leader
           mike@isgtec.com      ISG Technologies, Toronto, Canada
              "Actum ne agas" -- Do not do what has been done.
                         Furare tantum ab Optimis
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165611.457@netnews.synoptics.com> franks@synoptics.com writes:
>In article 29473@leland.Stanford.EDU, lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
>
>>Hey... about Corvallis... you forgot Woodstock's Pizza!

They just raised their prices.>
>Woodstock's (sigh).  Knew there was something missing in my life.  
>
>And in a simular vein, is the Old World Center still there?

The Old World Deli? Yep..belly dancing on Wednesday night.>
>Does Steve at Kinkos still have a monster pleco in his aquarium?
>
>
>
>
>
>


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                          * * * * * * *
"It is possible to join forces, to identify common goals, and to agree on
 common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
From: aj@ucs.orst.edu (AJ)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Civil War game
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:11:03 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

In article <1em8hsINNra1@talon.UCS.ORST.EDU> pmontgom@math.orst.edu (Peter Montgomery) writes:
>In article <1eeu3qINNo2v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> @prism.cs.orst.edu () writes:
>
>>OSU Beaver football games, believe it or not.  Back in the early/mid
>>80's during my undergrad days, the ushers at the games really didn't
>>care much if you took alcohol into the stadium.  As long as it wasn't
>>in bottles or cans.  The usual plan of action was to sit in the rain,
>>drink heavily, and watch the beavs get stomped.
>
>	It's 1 pm Nov 21, and the Civil War game is beginning at OSU.
>I saw several fans walk past Kerr Library through the heavy rain.
>-- 
>        Peter L. Montgomery              Internet: pmontgom@math.orst.edu
>        Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ, Corvallis, OR 97331-4605 USA

Just in case anyone wants to know, OSU lost once again to U of O at the
civil war game.  The score: UofO-7 OSU-0 in quite a down pour of rain.

-aj
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: pbray@envy.reed.edu (Peter Bray)
Subject: Re: Write a short story
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:32:14 GMT

In article <9211232013.AA02912@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Martin  
A Laster <mlaster@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> 
> This is for all you creative story writers.  Let's see how well you can  
write.


BOY!  This sure has a lot to do with Oregon!!!
You're from Ohio as well!!! Ha ha ha ha ha!
hee hee hee

get real
From: dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: New thread
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:15:30 GMT
Organization: Rice University

I said:
>>UO HC. (If you don't know, you won't understand).

Bill says:
>UO HC?  You must be one of those intellectual types.

Naw, I was just a random body who happen to be dating someone who
got admitted to the HC and got sucked in...8-). Actually, it
offered enough of a challenge to be interesting -- building a
computer lab for a predominantly humanities-oriented student body
was probably the one thing I'll be proud of for the rest of my
life. The faculty there -- Rich Stevenson and Francie Cogan in
particular -- have guts, vision, and the willingness to go to bat
for the students, something that I haven't seen much of in the
other schools I've attended since then.  

>I had a couple of 
>friends that did that thing...  Said the lounge attracted a few of the goofy
>ones.

Wow, big-time nostalgia hits. 

Yeah, we had a few burnout cases, but the other 399 of us really
had the sense of community and common purpose that makes the
magic happen. Music for the love of music, argument to delight
the soul (did *you* ever spend an hour trying to figure out how
Mars Co puts the letters on M&Ms?), dinner on Thursday nights
(Chapman has a kitchen -- often dinner was just a big pot of
soup, but it was open to anyone, and anyone that wanted to make
something new and different could give it a whirl.), 11 pm
roadtrips to see if the ocean was still there, the senior
emergency kitty for taking people who were having a lousy day out
to dinner to ease their troubles, the annual letter-writing to
the new incoming students to give them a name and face to look
for when they got to the university.

Somewhere where everyone _belonged_.

Sigh -- now I'm *really* homesick.

>Bill


-- 
David Boyes
dboyes@rice.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: mcdowell@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike McDowell)
Subject: Pronunciations
Summary: a few for the pronunciation faq
Keywords: Oregon 
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:56:24 GMT

Here are a few:

The Dalles - rhymes with pals, not pails.
Yachats - YA hots


It's Willamette, dammit!


And, most importantly - Ori gun, not Ora gone.

Mike McDowell
mcdowell@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:48:18 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

Oh come now, Oregon is full of culture - just perhaps not what your
average yuppy urbanite expects.  For my money, Oregon, culture and all,
is the best of all worlds - urban (if that is what you want), rural,
mountains (that's where I'm from), coast, desert, etc., etc.,  Its got
it all, and if we can manage to keep the Californians from flooding in,
there is no state that rivals it, IMHO.  
 
RIP CITY!!  
-- 
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   | Travis Stansbury, Yale '94  || 2358 Yale Station   |
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: servant@cheshire.oxy.edu (Jedidiah Jon Palosaari)
Subject: Ashland High alums
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:51:16 GMT

Hi, I'm looking to hook up with any Ashland High alums from the last
seven years.  Is there anyone out there?  reply back!!

(servant@oxy.edu    [Jedidiah] )
From: @prism.cs.orst.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Why Anti-California?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:07:32 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu


It's a cultural thing.  

Some of the great things about Oregon are being able to go wherever
you damn well please in jeans and a sweater.  The epitome of automotive
excellence is a Jeep Cherokee, not a BMW or a Mercedes.  Everybody's
way casual and not pretentious.

Other things I miss: The Otis Cafe, finding new ways to the coast over
logging roads.

Don, really in the Bay area, but I bribed the support staff to keep
my old account.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: dietz@Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:35:54 GMT

Actually I think only ONE of the worlds largest hangers burnt up (they 
apparently filled it with hay for storage -- blimp business going great!)

The second one is still intact and I think they are working on making it
a museum.

Also, I hear that the Spruce Goose (Howard Hughes' colossal wooden float
plane) is being (or has been moved) to McMinnville.  Anyone heard any 
details on this?  My father-in-law swears that he was in the San Fransisco
Bay aboard the USS Helena when the Goose took its flight into infamy.  Says
he came on deck just as the plane cleared the water.  Cool, huh?

Kent Dietz
Naturalized Native of Junction City (home of the world-famous Scandinavian
Festival <- culture?)
From: mcdowell@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike McDowell)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Measure 9 (was Re: Me be a oregoner)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:26:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.125622.5015@cs.cornell.edu> aleta@cs.cornell.edu (Aleta Ricciardi) writes:
>>
>>that's what i'm curious about.  how'd such a vile thing get so far? 
>> [.. more deleted ..]
>
>While this is an unscietific, and undocumented opinion, it is my feeling
>form living in Oregon all of my life that there is a large conservative
>population living in the state.  I ususally characterize the state as
>having a large working rural class who generally support such measures,
>along with another more liberal, usually urban, population who would not
> [.. more deleted again..]

I'd agree with this, but I think that the way 9 was promoted has alot
to do with how well it did.  The measure had words which would prohibit
"special rights" for the class of individuals described (not only 
homosexuals, but also child molesters and such), which would mean that
there wouldn't be quotas for this class of people in the workplace, you
would not have to let them in your church, club, etc.; and you could
legally use that excuse to discriminate.  The OCA really pushed their
"special rights" thing, implying that unless we voted for measure 9,
pedophiles would be demanding to teach children in the schools and the
courts would require it.  Pretty scary stuff.

Further down the measure was where the really nasty stuff was - the
state government would not be allowed to promote this class of 
people (whatever that might mean), and the schools would be
_required_ to identify this class of people to children and teach
them that they were perverse and unnatural.  Sounds like the
"racial theory" courses they had in Germany in the 1930's.

I hope I didn't get any facts wrong here - you can ignore my opinions
if you don't like them.

Mike McDowell
mcdowell@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon