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Resent-Organization: Clarkson University
Organization: Clarkson University
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:44:37 EST
Comments:     Resent-From: "Richard Seifert, Jr" <MAINT@CLVM>
Comments:     Originally-From: "Richard Seifert, Jr" <MAINT@CLVM>
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr" <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Problems using names file

     I am resending this because it didn't get delivered the first time I
attempted to send it.  Thanks for any info you can send.

Rich
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     I have just come across an interesting set of circumstances with
regards to the way entries are put into the names file.  My own entry,
for MAINT,  has a node of 'clvm', and an entry for my name.  So, when
I go to compose mail, the From: line shows this correctly (at least, I
assume that mail gets that info from the names file).  The problem arises
when I change the node entry in my names file to things other than 'clvm'.
I tried changing my node to 'clvm.bitnet' and also to 'clvm.clarkson.edu',
just for grins, and when I did, strange things started happening.  When
I went to compose mail, the screen came up asking me for my name, rather
than taking it from my names file.  Also, it didn't ask for the name of
the person I was sending to, assuming that it wasn't in the names file.

     Has anyone else seen any actions such as this?  I am running
92.something, .02., I think.  (Speaking of which, is there any way to
check and see exactly what level I am running?)  Any help or hints along
these lines would be greatly appreciated.

Rich


Richard Seifert, Jr                    BITNET---MAINT@CLVM
Systems Programmer/Postmaster/NAd      INTERNET-MAINT@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU
Educational Resources Center
Clarkson University
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Organization: Networking & Computing Systems, Rice University
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:30:31 CST
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Unread notebook

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:19:02 ET Marcelle McGhee said:
>Is there anyway to prevent Ricemail from creating an Unread Notebook File
>after you have looked at a file ??.   I would prefer to keep my unread
>notes in my RDR list not in an unread notebook.

1. Get out of mail with QQUIT, which will preserve *all* of the files
on your reader.

2. Put your unread notebook on a tdisk.  A normal termination will purge
the deleted files from the reader, and leave everything else.

Warning: Spool space is a more fragile resource than your disk space, and
should not be used as a storage medium for things you care much about.  There
may be system performance impacts as well for keeping spool files compared to
entries in a file on disk.

Richard
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Organization: Oklahoma State University
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:41:50 CST
From:         Brent Stilley <UCCXBRS@OSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Encoding according to RFC 1154
              17 Nov 1992 09:23:44 CST from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:23:44 CST Richard A. Schafer said:
>I doubt very much that I will ever implement any support for this experimental
>protocol.  From my initial cursory reading, rfc1154 provides significantly
>less value than rfc1341 (MIME).  What effort I plan to exert in the
>direction of supporting multipart messages, etc., will be directed towards
>MIME, which is a proposed standard format for encoding.
>
>I would urge you to push Microsoft to support MIME instead of rfc1154.
>

For what it's worth, cc:Mail has stated that they will support *both*
RFC1154 and MIME.  I heard this at their Interchange conference in Sept.

Brent Stilley,  Oklahoma State University, 113 Math Sciences, Stillwater, 74078
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:00:12 CST
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: mailer problem
              13 Nov 1992 10:14:38 PST from <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:14:38 PST Yossie Silverman said:
>Note the original From: field on this mail?  Well, it isn't a legal IBM
>note but it gets parsed as if it were and the return address formed is
>illegal.  Obviously the difference is that this address has 2 words before
>the AT and IBM notes have only one word.  Is this bug fixable?  - Yossie

Actually, you can't say "IBM notes have only one word" before the AT.  That's
only true in the short form; in the long form, you have may any number
of words, commas, whatever in front of the "user at node" string.  The current
code attempts to handle this by looking to see if the next to last word
on the line is AT (or at, since you can't depend on the case of the word).
Obviously, in situations like yours, this isn't sufficient.   I will try to
see if there is a better way of handling the situation to give fewer false
positives, but please understand that IBM NOTE format headers are quite
simply *not* deterministically parsable; IBM never indended them to be parsed
by anyone but humans, assuming PROFS would be the real user agent, I guess.

Richard
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:47:01 -0500
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From:         "Emily Batista" <batista@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: mutilation

The problem isn't what penalty to impose, it's catching patrons doing it.
We see much evidence after the fact, but no way to link it to a particular
individual.

Emily Batista, University of Pennsylvania Libraries
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:29:48 HST
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From:         "Susan Murata" <SMURATA@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mending of library materials

Circulation used to be responsible for the Marking and Mending dept, but that
as now changed with the creation of a Preservation Dept.   The Preservation
Officer (librarian) has 5 Library Assistants/Techs and 1 Photographer to do
the Preservation work.  They tip in pages that have fallen out or are
supplements; mend bindings and create boxes for brittle books; dry out and
blot wet books, etc, etc, etc.  They do a lot besides the jobs I've already
mentioned.

Susan Murata
Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:06:00 EST
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From:         "Cordy Swinton (CWS@PSULIAS) 814-863-1362" <CWS@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CHAT: Decisions, decisions....

Jim, you are absolutely right but...some administrators want to know what
others at similar institutions are doing.  Some just don't want to be trail
blazers.  So, guess who gets to do the scut work?  Yes, it's Friday and
what a week it's been.  People here are getting cranky and the library is
too warm and I am just opening Tuesday's mail.

Cordy Swinton
Penn State (whose Lions are about to play Pitt for the last time)  :-(
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:53:00 EST
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From:         "DIVENS, W.C." <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CHAT: Decisions, decisions....

>you had any problems doing so-and-so.  But,in theory, they pay management types
>big management salaries to make big management decisions, not conduct surveys
>and take the average of whatever everyone else is doing. I for one, think they
>ought to do what they get paid for: to decide what they want for _their_
>organization.

Oh dear misguided Jim.....

The big-buck managers HAVE decided what they want for their organizations.
They want them to be just like all the other organizations!  Hell, do you
think that mediocrity comes EASY?  You gotta work hard at it.

Therefore management dictates that you take surveys surveys and more
surveys.  It isn't to see if anyone is doing things better, it is to
ascertain that YOU are not doing anything new.  You would be branded
a menace, a revolutionary, perhaps even a Republican!

Why I once recall someone suggesting that fines might be an outmoded
concept.  I can already see the folks at ALA gathering wood for THAT
bonfire!

Tongue-in-cheekily yours,
Rustbelt Bill
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:23:27 EST
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From:         LIBRRB@ACVAX.BITNET
Subject:      MENDING OF LIBRARY MATERIALS

In our library mending is handled by our "Processing Department" which
is also responsible for preparing volumes for binding, doing temporary
binding, putting on spine labels, covers, etc.  This department is next
to Serials and is supervised by our Serials Librarian.



Many of the mending techniques used were developed by trial and error and
we have had lots of problems, but a couple of weeks ago the assistant in
charge of mending attended a two day workshop sponsored by our OCLC affiliate
and said she learned a great deal, so we are expecting miracles now!
Roxann Bustos
Reese Library
Augusta College
Augusta, GA
librrb@acvax.ac.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:44:32 EST
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From:         Louise Jensen <JENSEN@PORTLAND.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Disassembling reserve materials

This may sound stupid, but what about one staple in the far corner of
the material.  The students can still copy but do not have to take it
apart (unless you have a document feeder) in which case I'd be
interested in hearing the response.

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LOUISE JENSEN                |    BITNET:  JENSEN@PORTLAND
CIRCULATION LIBRARIAN        |    INTERNET:  JENSEN@PORTLAND.MAINE.EDU
UNIVERSITY OF MAINE LAW LIB. |    PHONE:  207-780-4836
PORTLAND, MAINE              |
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:35:45 HST
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From:         "Susan Murata" <SMURATA@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mending of library materials

Binding is done at our library by the Serials Dept, unless it is to repair
the binding -- then it goes to our Preservation Dept.

Susan Murata
Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:37:14 EST
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From:         Nancy Herrington <LIBNJH@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mutilation

I agree with you, Emily, catching them in the act is the problem!
We had an incident this weekend (Yes, I was working on Sunday)
where a Restricted Reserve book (which is out of print) that was
need by a large class of students to study for an exam on Monday,
was mutilated by some unknown patron using a ball point pen to
remove summary sections in three different areas, rendering six
pages unusable.  The professor has been notified, and we will try
to replace these six pages, BUT it won't help those who needed to
have access to this information this weekend.  Why is it that
there is no respect for resources, particularly
when there are copy machines so close by?

----
   ^---^          Nancy Herrington
   (O O) hoot!    Science & Technology Library
   / v :          Syracuse University
  /|   |:         315/443-2160
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:22:03 -0600
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From:         Jeffrey R Bailey <jbailey@QUAPAW.ASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      courtesy hold shelf

FROM: Jeff Bailey, Head Circ. Librarian, Ellis Library, Arkansas
      State University

We do have a courtesy hold shelf.  We hold items for 24 hours if the
patron has forgotten their ID card, has not yet gotten their ID card,
is at their checkout limit, or has overdue items and/or unpaid fines.
If a patron arrives at the desk too late to check out books, we will
hold items as well.

We will accept any materials from the general circulating collection,
but we will not hold reference material, microforms, periodicals, or
reserve materials.

The main problem we have in this area is that some patrons will check out
 several items an
out several items and ask us to hold some of them until later because
they do not want to carry all of the items at once.  We tell them that
we do not, under any circumstances, hold items at the desk for patrons
after they have been checked out.

We do not issue temporary borrowing cards to students who have forgotten
their ID cards.  If they have lost their cards, they must go to the
finance office and get a new one (there is a $5.00 fee).

jrb.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:14:17 -0700
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From:         Eileen O'Hara <ELOHARA@BROCK1P.BITNET>
Subject:      NY Library Assistants Conference

The New York State Library Assistants Association will be holding its
15th annual conference in Rochester, New York on June 9, 10, and 11th,
1993.  The Conference is open to all support staff across the U.S. and
Canada.  It is being hosted by the Libraries of Monroe County.

The Conference will offer over 30 seminars, workshops, and roundtables.
Tours of area libraries will be included as well as an Open Forum for
discussion.

Evening events will included an evening at the George Eastman mansion
(founder of Eastman Kodak).  The mansion houses the International Museum
of Photography.  The galleries, mansion, and formal gardens will be
open.  Rochester, NY is located in Upstate New York and is renowned for
its many museums, including the Strong Museum housing a large collection
of Victorian artifacts and toys.  Rochester is 90 minutes east of Niagara
Falls.

Registration brochures will be mailed during the first part of April.
If you are interested in receiving a copy, send your name and
address to:  Chris Qualey, Monroe County Library System, 115 South Ave.
Rochester, New York  14604.  Or, BITNET back to my address below and
I will forward your name and address to her.

Eileen O'Hara
Drake Memorial Library
SUNY Brockpoart
Brockport, NY  14420
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:09:00 PST
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From:         Doris Weingart <WEINGART@UCRVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      courtesy hold shelf

At Rivera Library, UC Riverside we will hold material for 24 hours.  We
will not hyold reference material or journals.  We will let students
check out material once without their photo id/library card.  We put
note in their patron record (CLSI) to the effect that they have been
allowed one checkout without their card.  After that, they have to have
their card with them.  We have our share of students who forget to
bring their cards with them. But the bigger problem seems to be the cost
to replace their photo id/library card if they lose it.  A non-library
facility produces and supplies the cards to students and they charge
$10 to replace the card.  Many students object to paying the fee but
since our barcode  is put on the photo id card, they are almost forced
to go and get  the card replaced.  Then they are not happy campers.
Doris Weingart
Head, Circ Services
Rivera Library
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:07:21 CST
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From:         "Jorge L. Cruz" <VB7R0036@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Mending of library materials

To answer Casey Bickle's question:  In this library, all mending is done out
of the Acquisition's office.

And now I'd like to ask a related question to the rest of you:  Who is
responsible for binding in your library?



Jorge L. Cruz                            Bitnet: vb7r0036@smuvm1
Head, Circulation Dept.
Science/Engineering Library            Internet: vb7r0036@vm.cis.smu.edu
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX  75275-0375
From: CREINHART@CUDENVER.BITNET (Chris Reinhart (303)556-3684)
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Subject: Gov. Docs. on Reserve
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:09:00 GMT
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Hello,
        I'm the Library Technician in our Reserves department (I
oversee operations) here at Auraria Library, University of Colorado
at Denver.  I have a question I'd like to pose to anyone on this
list:
        If you allow Gov. Docs. to be placed on reserve how do you
handle check out of them?  Up to now we in this department under-
stood that Gov. Docs. were subject to all requirements for check
out that any other library-owned items were subject to - whether
regular circulating books or material placed on reserve.  So,
we have required a picture i.d. for check out and registration
into our computer's patron database.  We believed this to be
consistent with what a GPO inspector (Mark Clark by name)
told the staff in our Gov. Docs. department 3 years ago when
he was here for an inspection ("Gov Docs were to be treated as
importantly as any other item in our collection and that check
out policies for Gov Docs and other library owned materials
were expected to be consistent").
        However, our Gov. Docs. librarian disagrees with this
procedure stating that "we must insure adherence to the
agreement we make with the Government Printing Office to
provide "free access to the resources of the documents collection
by the general public" which is defined to mean "that any
member of the general public can physically handle and use a
government document at the library without impediments."
(Instructions to Depository Libraries, rev. 4/23/92, p. 25).
        I contend that requiring a picture i.d. is imposing no
impediment to check out, and since we do not have a closed
reserves room and material can wander throughout the building
and, potentially, never make its way back to us, that we must
maintain some control over where our material goes.
        All of our reserve material is tattle-taped (magnetic
security strip) and most of it is labeled for 2 hour, in-
house use only.
        Yes, we could conceivably do manual check out of Gov
Docs. but if we don't require presentation of a picture i.d., we're
going to lose this material.
        There have never been a lot of Gov Docs. on Reserve here.
Perhaps the simple answer is just not to accept any Gov. Docs from
profs. to put on reserve?
        Excuse the length of this message please.  Any thoughts??
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:57:09 MST
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From:         Holly Reynolds <hreynold@LIB.NMSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: emergency questionnaire

Hope this helps!!
#1  Basic user card (5 books, 3 weeks, no renewal) is free.
    Associates card (more privileges) requires $50 donation to Library.
#2  $1.00 per hour to max of $10.00
#3  books - $.10 per day per book, to max of $6.00
    Bound journals - $.25 per day per volume, to max of $10.00
    Current periodicals do not circulate
#4  $.10 per day to max of $6.00, patron is also blocked
#5  One recall letter, then slips into regular overdue process
#6  Notice goes out with next day's mail, but first patron always gets
    3 weeks use before item is actually due.

Holly Reynolds
New Mexico State Univ Library
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:11:24 -0800
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From:         "Richard M. Osen" <rosen@HENSON.CC.WWU.EDU>
Subject:      Compact Shelving

I am responding directly to the list concerning Lorraine Gersitz' query
about compact shelving, since I would like to see a general discussion
about it, too.

Here at Western Washington University, we installed movable compact
shelving in 1988 in two open-stacks basement rooms.  The total installation
gave us approximately 15,000 linear feet of shelving.  The contractor on
our job was TAB Products, and they used Library Bureau shelving in a
regular cantilevered style.  The ranges vary from 21' to 30' in length.

We purchased mechanical-assisted carriages after careful consideration.
Our main reasons for doing so were:  1) We could get more for the money
we had available (we're a state-funded institution, and this was a
capital budget request); 2) electrical-powered systems are more expensive
to maintain as well as to purchase, and we were concerned about ongoing
costs.

As I mentioned above, these areas are open to the public.  We selected
materials that are lesser used to be shelved in the compact shelving
area, since access is limited at any one time.  The areas hold a
combination of periodical back runs, government documents, and older
monographs.  It has worked quite successfully, and certainly has helped
us buy some time to deal with our space crunch.  The carriages move
very easily, several at a time, and there have been few maintenance
problems with the exception of gears occasionally being stripped due to
library users trying to move the carriages when they are in the locked
position.

I would be glad to provide specific information if you contact me
personally.

Rick Osen
Access and Building Services Manager
The Libraries
Western Washington University
Internet:  rosen@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Tel:  206-676-3084
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:15:51 CST
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From:         Freezing Rain <LIBRARY@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: misc: mending, holds, surveys, etc.

A 'slippery' Monday to all,

>Good Lord!  That makes you at LEAST 500 years old!  IRON MAIDEN indeed!

Whoa, 500 years old!  And even ready to go in-the-face of IRON MAIDEN!
Being the loud heavy metal chaps they are, I am sure they will go in-
your-face back!

>Hey...so long as you don't inhale, you can have more than absolution...you
>can get elected president.

You bet!  When I was young, I was told that ANYONE could be president,..now
I am beginning to believe it.  Gee, if B__l C_____n comes here, we can play
'Inhale to the Chief', won't that be 'slick.'  Of course, he would still have
to pay the bookfine, because our Governor, Ben Nelson, cut back our library
budget for the state.  The president, pay a bookfine!!!  A Democrat president
in a Republican state????  Damn right!

This message brought to you by the one who opened the Pandoras box by bad-
mouthing Republicans in librarys,

Freezing Rain..and Mondays...blah