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From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@f151.n222.z2.fidonet.org (Kimble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: PAL or NTSC?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:58:08 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd

Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic) wrote:

>      That is so stupid how America, Europe, and Japan have to be so
> different from each other. We should all try to have the same standard.
> In Europe you guys drive on the passenger seat..heh how strange. Is it
> like that all over europe? I'm not sure in Japan if they are the same..hmm
> I think Japan uses NTSC... 

Don't worry, in a couple of decades we will all be part of a large
Americanized (Japanized?) world.

Cars are driven from the right side currently only in Britain and
Japan...and maybe Hong Kong and other smaller areas? Sweden moved to
continental system in the 60's, and I think Australia and New Zealand
in the 70's (maybe at the same time they adapted to the metric system).

In the 60's there was a nice road crossing on the Northern land border
between Finland and Sweden to get the cars to the correct side of the
road :)

> -ALex

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From: l115130@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Lehtonen Tero)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II graphics competition
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:44:42 +0200
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi

In article <Paul_Trauth.1dvd@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth) writes:

>Well, i can't speak for all artists, but: I'm an artist. I've been one for
>quite some time. When HAM paint programs came out, i played with them. I

Same here! I started in about 85 with C=64 and KoalaPaint (ah, those old golden
days...).

>have DPaint 4. I never use HAM. In my opinion, it's only suited for

DPaint4 running in HAM on 7Mhz Amiga is ridiculously slow and practically 
useless, but DigiPaint3 is from totally different world.

>CALCULATED pictures such as ray-traced stuff, not for something that you're
>going to sit down with and lay down every pixel yourself. I like to have

Now I disagree! HAM is challenging and difficult to use, but when you get used
to it there is no other choice! I love to have about 1,500 different colours
in one picture - boy, it looks great! 

>pixel-level control over color, and no HAM paint program does that.

Of course not, it's technologically impossible.

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From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth)
Subject: Re: pseudo random numbers
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:09:49 GMT
Originator: larshaug@yrsa.ifi.uio.no


In article <1k19ioINN7l8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, moria@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Moria Beledain) writes:
> 
> pfibl.
> i am looking for a Good pseudo random number generator. 
> the one i am using now was by Leo Schwabb many years ago, and
> i have modified it to now and then EOR in some clock counter
> etc..  But i am still not satisfied!
>  
> so who knows some good ideas ?
> .. Maybe a routine to use the HPos..  It has periods of
> very fast fluctuation which if polled slow enough could seem
> quite random..
> .. hmm
> rnd
> 	move.w	seed,d0
>  	lsl.w	#4,d0
> 	eor.b	HPOS,d0
> 	move.w	d0,seed
> 	rts
>  

Here's how I do it, and I get pretty good results :

GETRND:	moveq	#0,d0
	moveq	#0,d1
	move.b	$DFF007,d0
	move.b	$BFD800,d1
	eor.b	d1,d0
	rts

This following is better, but takes more cycles :

GETRND:	moveq	#0,d0
	move.b	$DFF007,d0
	move.b	$BFD800,d1
	eor.b	d1,d0
	move.b	d0,d1
	and.w	#15,d1
GRND1:	dbf	d1,GRND1
	rts

The loop is done so that the time between my bsr GETRND 's will
wary slightly to produce 'more random' numbers.

Lars
From: st1gs@rosie.uh.edu (Spice, Darrell G.)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: PAL or NTSC?
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

<<CLIPPED>> 
>      Well I have been using PAL for 2 years now, and I'm totally use
>to it. I never see a flicker now, and its alot nicer to look at stuff
>in pal. Less grainy..heh My 1084s monitor handles PAL quite well. I think
>most people on the Amiga who look at demos, have the PAL ability. If not
>its their problem... anyone serious about computing uses an monitor..heh
>not a tv! 

I put the mono-chrom composit out to my TV set, and it was able to handle the
PAL scanning rates!  Just had to adjust the size of the picture with the
knobs behind the set.  I also use PAL all the time on my 1084s.  It just adds
so much more room to the screen without having the interlaced flicker.  It
possible to see the flicker, but only if I go out of my way to see it.

>      No matter what both PAL and NTSC have their pro's and con's. I just
>wish HDTV would come out soon, so we wouldn't have different standards
>on each side of the world..heh  C'ya later!

Actually HDTV may NOT be the same standard on both sides of the pond.  My
understanding (I subscribe to a video magazine) is that Europe is designing
their OWN standard (analog at that) because they don't want to be dependent
upon Japan's technology for their TV's.  This will help build up some
industry in Europe at the cost of being incombatible with the rest of the
world.  Of course, since the USA has yet to go to metric(was originally planned
to happen back when I was in grade school in the 70's) I'm not sure if it is
a major thing.


> -Alex
> 
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
> 

Darrell Spice Jr.
ST1GS@Rosie.Uh.Edu
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: when to download from nic.funet.fi ?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:08:18 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

erlebach@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Thomas Erlebach) writes:

> During the last week I tried to get into nic.funet.fi
> via FTP quite frequently, but I always got the reply:
> 
> 220-There are 48 (max 48) foreign archive users at the moment.
> 
> Hell, I even tried it at midnight !! So, can anyone suggest a
> time when funet isn't filled up with foreign users so I can
> get some more of the Paty92-Demos ?
> 
> E.T.

You could always try what I did: I FTP'd, was kicked out, so I FTP'd 
again, got kicked out again... I just kept doing it until there were only 
47 other "outsiders" on funet.  It's the hard way to do it, by for us 
die-hards, it's the only way to go! :)
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: lsa@lulea.trab.se (lsa)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Suggestions ?
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:53:17 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 + PL8]

Hi i`ve been away from my computer so i want to to some homework, can
anybody send in his suggestions for the best demos currently around ?

bye.
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: demo groups..
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:12:32 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Kiia Kallio (kkallio@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:

: Do not ever say Sweden and Finland are similar to each other... You can
: not insult us Finns more than this... :)

You ought to be kidding! ;-)

By the way, I listened to an interview with a female actress from 'A few
good men' on Finish television. The question was 'What is your image of
Finland'. She: 'Oh, Actually I haven't heard of Finland before, sorry'
Reporter: 'Well, it's next to Sweden'. She: 'Oh, yes, then I know!' ;-)

Well, alt.sys.amiga.demos, right? Ok... Look at the Enigma demo - there
you have some Swedish talent.

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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: demo groups..
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:20:34 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Alex Topic (Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca) wrote:

:  KK> Do not ever say Sweden and Finland are similar to each other... You
:  KK> can not insult us Finns more than this... :)

: heh, geez sorry...heh Yeah I understand in what you mean. Its like
: saying Canada is like the U.S..heh   

Well, look at the statistics of people coming from Finland to Sweden, and
vice versa - answer: No one wants to Finlad... ;-)

Sorry, I just had to say that.

Actually, the Swedish and Finish languages are TOTALLY different, I can't
understand a word of Finish. Most Finish people learn Swedish in schools,
though...

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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: demo groups..
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:16:41 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

LARSEN  TORE HOIVAAG (larsent@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:

> > Do not ever say Sweden and Finland are similar to each other... You can
> > not insult us Finns more than this... :)

> I agree with the Finn! Don't ever say that Sweden and Norway is simular!

Watch your words, yankee! ;-)

You wouldn't agree with the finn if you'd been to Finlad yourself. But sure,
I agree that Norway is beatiful.

alt.sys.amiga.demos, right? Ok.. The best thing about Norway: A demo musician
from Norway started a disk based magazine...

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From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II graphics competition
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:21:07 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Fri 22 Jan 93 11:10, L115130@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (lehtonen
wrote:

 L> Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth) writes:

>Well, i can't speak for all artists, but: I'm an artist. I've been one for
>quite some time. When HAM paint programs came out, i played with them. I

 L> Same here! I started in about 85 with C=64 and KoalaPaint (ah, those
 L> old golden
 L> days...).

You too, eh? Wow, drawing in multicolor hires was SO much torturous fun!
(grin)

>have DPaint 4. I never use HAM. In my opinion, it's only suited for

 L> DPaint4 running in HAM on 7Mhz Amiga is ridiculously slow and
 L> practically 
 L> useless, but DigiPaint3 is from totally different world.

Yes, DP4 is rather, er, lame. I find that the only things it has over 3 are
the better file requesters and the wider selection of fills; everything
else just makes it more and more elaphantine. I'd tried Digipaint 3 and
some medium version of Photon; both of them were annoyingly slow for me...

>CALCULATED pictures such as ray-traced stuff, not for something that
you're
>going to sit down with and lay down every pixel yourself. I like to have

 L> Now I disagree! HAM is challenging and difficult to use, but when you
 L> get used
 L> to it there is no other choice! I love to have about 1,500 different
 L> colours
 L> in one picture - boy, it looks great! 

>pixel-level control over color, and no HAM paint program does that.

 L> Of course not, it's technologically impossible.

I think i phrased that wrong. What i meant is that, while i know full well
the dirty tech details of how HAM works, -I- want to be able to select my
OWN fringing order sometimes, instead of having the program choose for
me...

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From: foregone@stein.u.washington.edu (Carl Chavez)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Quoting...not about demos, but still important...
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:26:41 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan20.223859.62955@cc.usu.edu> slhmz@cc.usu.edu writes:

>
>   Now, I can quote you any how I wish.  There is no regulation on quoting.
>   AlsoSETTLE CK!  I'm just trying to have some fun!  Try it sometime,
>   you might actually like it!
>
>--
>Travis Carter

Hmmm...let's think about this for a second:

If one can quote another 'any how I wish', then I quote you:

> Travis Carter says:
>
> I fuck lab rabbits. Try it sometime, you might actually like it!

I quoted you the way I wished, by taking some letters from your quote
and "reorganizing them".

You are wrong; Reductio Ad Absurdum. :)

(LET'S ALL DROP THIS SUBJECT NOW so it doesn't end up like 'Criti!')    ;)
From: Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: demo groups..
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:25:51 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

 ES> Well, Paralamia and Skid Row is kind of the same thing isn't it ? I
 ES> mean -
 ES> have you ever listened to a Skid Row album?

       What do you mean by the same thing? Yeah I think a name for a
group such as Skid Row is totally un-original. All well who cares..

 ES> What's the topic? heh..

   It happens to be my last name. Alittle humour doesn't hurt once and
a while I guess..heh

 ES> By the way. Girls aren't and will never be good at coding demos and
 ES> Melon
 ES> Design is kind of Skid Row. (This will problbly give some answers to
 ES> the
 ES> poor guy who started this discussion.)

    Well if you imply that I started whether Melon Design has some females
in it or not. You are wrong, I asked why in some BODIL.exe demo thingy
it had a picture of a melon man pissing on a KEFRENS tombstone. Just
wondered why would Melon Design do this, and what did Kefrens do to
deserve such treatment. Thats all I wanted to know. I'm amazed it has
totally went off-topic, and my question was never really answered. Which
is making me feel like I'm wasting my time. 
 
    And about all that U.S. slandering, well I just like to tell the
truth. I know it can hurt sometimes..heh. Well CANADA is similar to
Australia, except we don't speak with those nasty english accents..heh
I guess we are more americanized. Isn't Norway, Sweden, and Finland
alot similar to each other. Geez in europe it seems you have to know
various languages..heh I'm surprised some of you can speak english
quite well. later on!
 
 -Alex Topic(pronounced Toe-pitch..heh) 

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From: s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Pumpkin Power)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II graphics competition
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:21:12 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Keywords: graphics,lame,The Party II,copyright

l115130@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Lehtonen Tero) writes:

>In article <1jh473INNcp8@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Pumpkin Power) writes:

>  I don't like the idea of copying the work of other artists either, but how
>on earth would you tell if some certain picture is a copy or not? I can't see
>any working way of doing that, so it would be quite difficult or even 
>impossible to disqualify the copied works. And what about the music? Or demos?
>How many of them include copied ideas and/or pieces from other people's work?

For the most part the music I've heard has not been EXACT copies of anything.
If someone were to enter a perfect copy of one of the current top 5 I'd
expect it to be less well recieved than an original composition.  For the
most part the demos and music entered may copy some ideas from other works,
but are far from being perfect reproductions of them.  A lot of the art
I've seen is a different matter.  If someone wants to paint in Boris
Vallejo's style of fantasy artwork I wouldn't see a problem, but doing an
exact copy of one of his paintings shows little talent.

As for determining the copy, well, if no one at the competition catches it
then I guess the 'artist' gets away with it.  But if someone does notice
then in my opinion it should be brought to the judges attention, and it's
up to them what they do about it.

>BTW, I was quite surprised not to find a single competition picture employing
>the most powerful gfx-mode of the Amiga: HAM.

Ever tried drawing in HAM on an unaccelerated Amiga?  Besides which drawing
a picture from scratch in HAM isn't particularly easy.  Most HAM pics would
be first hand drawn, scanned in and then touched up.  Most of the artists
involved simply wouldn't have access to scanners or the accelerated Amigas
really needed.

Peter Barton  :  s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
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From: larsent@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LARSEN  TORE HOIVAAG)
Subject: Re: Gadin/NOVA readme!
Keywords: cant reach
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:41:13 GMT

stigo@ifi.uio.no (Xtazy/New Wave) writes:


>If anyone knows this dude (Gadin/NOVA) from france, can you
>please tell him to include his correct email address in his
>letters. My replies keeps bouncing back.

>If anyone else has a iut-orsay.fr address maybe you can help
>me reach him?

>-- 
>|    Stig A. Olsen  |  stigo@ifi.uio.no  |  "Ja til EF"       |   
                                              ^^^^^^^^^
                                             "Yes to EEC"
  Remember, this guy does not represent the majority of the
  Norwegian people!    "Nei til EF!" "Fuck EEC"

>| Never hit a man with glasses.  Hit him with a baseball bat. |
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                  What kind of .sig is this?
 I and others like me might feel offended!

T:-)
From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: How could SpaceBalls win?
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:07:28 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>   Now, I can quote you any how I wish.  There is no regulation on quoting.
>>   AlsoSETTLE CK!  I'm just trying to have some fun!  Try it sometime,
>>   you might actually like it!
> 
>    
> Of course you can quote someone any how you wish - but you open yourself to 
> lawsuits for libel or slander.  It's your choice... '>

I hardly think that posting quotes to the net are slander material.
Besides, I did include [stuff deleted] and ..., so there!
 
> Now, for the record, AGAIN:
>
> Now, if you can't accept the fact that others may have different opinions
> than you do, then please seek the help of a counselor for your problem.

Perhaps you should seek out council.  All boar and no fun makes Crystal
a very dull gal.  Perhaps even lame!

:)                      :)                       :)                    :)




> Thank you,

For what?
Hey!  Are you still upset with me because I didn't purchase 
Marble Madness! from you?  Sorry, but my wife got it for me first...
 
> Crystal
>   ;>
 
--
Travis Carter
From: Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: demo groups..
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:33:31 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

 KK> Do not ever say Sweden and Finland are similar to each other... You
 KK> can not
 KK> insult us Finns more than this... :)

     heh, geez sorry...heh Yeah I understand in what you mean. Its like
saying Canada is like the U.S..heh   
 
     A countries heritage, and differences is a big deal. I sort of wish
I lived in europe, however there is pro's and con's. Canada is the best
place to live in the world. Hey the UN stated this with statistics..etc.
 
   1 thing about europe, the Amiga is very popular there! Geez theparty92
is just evidence of that..heh

-Alex
 
 ps: What did you think of Anarchy's megademo? 3d Demo II... 
     I got it working, and thought I heard on hear there is some corrupt
     version of it around..hmm
  

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From: kkallio@vipunen.hut.fi (Kiia Kallio)
Subject: Re: demo groups..
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:35:20 GMT

In <Alex_Topic.05pk@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca> Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic) writes:

> 
>    And about all that U.S. slandering, well I just like to tell the
>truth. I know it can hurt sometimes..heh. Well CANADA is similar to
>Australia, except we don't speak with those nasty english accents..heh
>I guess we are more americanized. Isn't Norway, Sweden, and Finland
>alot similar to each other. Geez in europe it seems you have to know
>various languages..heh I'm surprised some of you can speak english
>quite well. later on!

Do not ever say Sweden and Finland are similar to each other... You can not
insult us Finns more than this... :)

> 
> -Alex Topic(pronounced Toe-pitch..heh) 

>-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Kiia Kallio
kkallio@vipunen.hut.fi
                    ^^
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