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From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:50:58 GMT

In article <5055@news.duke.edu>, chrisp@acpub.duke.edu (Christopher Pelham) writes:
|> 
|> In the past, FSU has tended to give up a lot of yardage to option teams.
|> But now their linebackers are so quick and their lateral pursuit so good,
|> that it is hard to turn the corner on FSU.
|> 
|> For an FSU fan (who went to Duke) I really respect ACC football,
|> but I think it's going to take big turnovers to knock off the 'Noles this year.
|> Which maybe State, Clemson or Tech could create.
|> But I don't think any other ACC team has the speed at skill positions
|> to break enough big plays offensively to stay with FSU

   I have to agree with your assessment. While N.C. State's win over Iowa was impressive, State was aided by Iowa's lack of team speed- particularly on defense.I think this will become all the more evident when Iowa faces Miami this week. In order to beat FSU, I think slower teams will have to resort to "smoke and mirror" tactics. By that I mean throwing a multitude of different defensive formations at FSU and ,on offense, getting a good balance of passing and running to try to keep FSU's defense off balan



ce. I definitely think Clemson and Virginia have this ability. Wether State, UNC, and Ga.Tech can, remains to be seen.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:32 GMT
Organization: Chevron

Jeff@cs.tamu.edu writes:
>
>But, the fierce comeback that Granger lead in the fourth quarter showed
>a lot of courage and leadership.  And, punter David Davis, averaged
>around 44 yards per kick, pinned Stanford inside it's 10 twice,
>and really kept A&M in the game to allow for the fourth quarter heroics. 

Didn't Davis also keep Stanfraud in the game early with the knuckle-ball
30-yarder that the Tree returned to the 15.

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From: js58@prism.gatech.EDU (SOWELL, JAMES R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Need FSU - GA tech Football Teickets
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:46:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


                         POSTED FOR A FRIEND

Wanted:  A total of 6 tickets for the FSU - GA Tech football game.  Will buy 
-- 
SOWELL, JAMES R.
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My SEC Predictions
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:43:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Aug27.125327.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> blayre01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
>I agree with your West Finish but I don't agree with your East. Here are my
>predictions for the East.
>
>East Finish
>___________
>Florida
>Tennessee
>Kentucky
>Georgia
>Vanderbilt
>South Carolina
>
>Kentucky should be much improved with an offense suited for Pookie Jones. Curry
>has switched to a wishbone and should have a well-rounded backfield to
>succesfully run the ball. The third year is the charm for Kentucky as they will
>go 6-5 and receive a bid to a minor bowl.

As a Big Blue fan, I wish the above were true, but so far I am not convinced
(neither, apparently, are most sportswriters or pollsters).

While UK should be better on both offense and defense, it is still hard to
say that they'll be able to compete with the Big Boys in the SEC.  Your
placing them above Georgia is remarkable - the Dawgs are considered pretty
hot property by almost everyone, and it would be more than a mild upset 
for them to be as low as 4th in the East (please realize that it is truly
difficult for a Yellow Jacket fan to say that  :-)  ).

With maximum optimism, I'd have:
1.  Florida
2.  Georgia
3.  Tennessee
4.  Kentucky
5.  Vanderbilt
6.  South Carolina

assuming that the Wildcats can get past Vandy at Commonwealth, which 
is at least possible.  This would be a significant accomplishment for
Curry.  Considering their schedule, a 5-6 record is not inconceivable.
While with a little luck even 6-5 (which would typically mean a minor
bowl for the free-spending Wildcat fans) is not unthinkable, it does
seem a bit improbable.

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^  Dr. J(effrey Neil Burch)                 jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^
^  Georgia Tech Research Institute                                    ^ 
^  Electro-Optics and Physical Sciences Laboratory                    ^ 
^  Atlanta, Ga.                                                       ^ 
^  30332                Wildcats are great, they can't be beat,       ^
^  404-894-3628         If I was a Wildcat, that would be neat!"      ^
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From: rossm@orcrist.EBay.Sun.COM (Ross McCammon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bill Walsh can NOT beat the Aggies!
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:29:48 GMT
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>Bill's socalled multiple offense is NO MATCH to the nation's
>#1 defense in A&M.

I don't see how you can call A&M's defense #1 when they allowed more
rushing yards and more passing yards than Stanford! And I don't think
even the most enthusiastic Stanford fan would lay claim to the #1 D.

Generally it was a lousy game. Lousy O, dumb mistakes, and lousy
announcers. As with most defensive games it came down to turnovers,
and the one that cost Stanford the game was a lousy call. Stanford's
offensive line stunk. A&M's O line looked worse than they probably
are because Stanford showed no respect for the A&M passing game.

I didn't realize till last night that Bob Toledo was A&M's offensive
coordinator. You guys are in big trouble because he is terrible. I
played at Pacific and Toledo took over as head coach the year following
my graduation. He had a great offensive line (2 NFL draftees) and chose
to have a true freshman QB throw the ball 30+ times a game. The QB
looked a lot like Granger. Mucho balls into the dirt.

Crow for today because Stanford's O will only get better. You all might
even win the SWC. Aren't all the other schools on probation?
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: EASIEST SCHEDULE
Keywords: FSU, what are you talking about?
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:07:01 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


FSU having the easiest schedule?  Exsqueeze me?  While they may not have the
TOUGHEST schedule in the country, playing Ga. Tech, NCSU, Clemson, and Miami
ALL ON THE ROAD is far from a cakewalk, add to that playing the Gators at
UF and I think its pretty clear that FSU does not have one of the easiest
schedules in the country.
-- 
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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bill Walsh can NOT beat the Aggies!
Date: 28 Aug 1992 07:08:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Texas A&M 10
Stanford 7

Of course, only 25% of the A&M players get college degrees.

William F. Tell

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  2 Sep 1992 18:24 EST  

In article <67424@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes...

>Look, the NCAA rules don't allow jobs during the season, they don't
>allow spending money, they don't even allow as many training table
>meals as they used to.

You mean they don't get free steaks every night anymore, while ordinary     
students have to pay for cafeteria slop?

>}If they are undercompensated, then why are there huge numbers of guys     
>}wishing, dreaming of getting the chance to play?
> 
>Why were people willing to work in sweatshops and child labor pools
>before the turn of the century?

Because there was no better alternative.  If college-aged athletes had a 
route into professional football, where they could earn cold cash, then we 
would hear a lot less about paying intercollegiate athletes.  There should 
be such a league, but academic institutions should not compromise 
themselves to become it.

>   maybe the presidents will get 
>a clue (I'm not holding my breath), but until then the football and
>basketball players are being grossly exploited.
> 

You're not holding your breath for the presidents, and I'm not counting on the 
WLAF.  It looks like maybe our argument is moot.

>}                                                     Not among them is the 
>}desire to become a minor league for professional football and basketball 
>}leagues.
> 
>The NFL and NBA do use the colleges for minor leagues, there can be no doubt
>about that.  The NCAA's response to that should be to continue to increase
>the standards for athletes.  When the pro leagues start to see major talent
>not getting to play in college, they'll have some real incentive to
>establish minor leagues.  Otherwise, why should they?
>

I agree with this completely.

>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

R Dendy
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M on ABC (was Re: LSU/A&M Spread?)
Keywords: Beat the Class of '90 hell outta lsu
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:42:10 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Sep02.141233.25797@bnr.ca> ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna) writes:
>
>Beat the Class of '90 hell outta lsu,
>
>Pedro '90

Yeah?  I hope you beat a "Class of '90" performance out of us.  We won 
that year, 17-8.

I predict a similarly *LOW* score again, -- unless our Defense is the
mediocrity everyone says it is (I think not!).


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Why so many Va Tech woofers?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:37:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.152556.14797@brtph560.bnr.ca> trice@bnr.ca writes:

>And let's not forget Virginia's crushing 38-13 defeat by the Hokies in 1990.
>This (plus the whooping the Boo-Hoos got from Georgia Tech) led to the
>sugar bowl being renamed the "Saccharin Bowl"

O give it up, man. Ive been in Virginia 5 years, and in that time Virginia 
has risen from the depths of patheticness to being at least a decent, top 25
type team, while Tech has continued to wallow in total mediocrity. Is this
one blowout of Virginia going to be Techs highlight film for the 90s?

WHY SO MANY TECH WOOFERS?!?!? Not that Uva is a great team, but Tech sucks.
Sure Virginia didnt deserve to be #1 in 1990, but has Tech deserved to be
higher than #50 any time recently?

I mean, this is a school where 6-5 is cause fro ecstatic celebration.

Oh, and by the way, what was the score in 91 when UVA played Tech?

-rob


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ctp1575@tamsun.tamu.edu (Christoph Purifoy)
Subject: A&M vs. Stanford
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:26:54 GMT

Well, well, well....What a surprise.  Or is it?  I am one of the people who
expected A&M to run over Stanford.  But I was sorely dissapointed in the
Aggies performance offensively.  The Aggies didn't play anywhere near their
potential.  I thought after the first quarter, that Granger would jump back in the game.  I thought it was nerves.  But by halftime I knew there was real
problems.  Jeff, threw every pass about 4 yrds. short.  I dont know why.
But A&M played the worst game I have seen in my four years at A&M.  I could
not believe the way we played.  
I was impressed by the Stanford defense who played like they were on a
mission.  And the Aggie defense looked pretty good too.  But the difference
was obviously in the offense.  That was worse than a poor perfomance.  The
A&M team did not pull together until the 4th quarter.  I hope the rest
of the season is better.  Next is LSU on their home turf, and I dont care how
good or bad LSU is projected to be, it is a tough game.  Someone sure needs
to get some stuff straight with Granger!
But I have to say, Walsh made the comment that his players were smarter;
but it didnt seem to help in the end, did it?  And all the talk of the
complexities of the Stanford offence didnt seem too big of a deal.  The
Offense didnt seem too complex for the A&M defense.  Some younger A&M 
players showed up ready to play....along with Buckley.  
But I think a key was Slocums pulling of Granger.  I think that showed
some *SMART* coaching.  Rather than panic, he pulled his starter, and replaced
him with a freshman, and then a sophomore.  I am sure this told Jeff that
he was not the qurterback he thinks he is, and his job is not so secure.
Jeff came back out to the field a different, and motivated player.  He had
a reason to play better, and it showed.  
Overall my impression s that the Aggies who showed up in the fourth
quarter had better show up the rest of the season, or we are in trouble.


GIGEM' AGGIES.........

-- 
Todd Purifoy                                AGRICULTURE:  Never before
ctp1575@tamsun.tamu.edu                     have so few, fed so many, 
purifoy@ageco.tamu.edu                      for so little.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Rocket stuff
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep2.015822.8016@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:09:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.015822.8016@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Sep1175203@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (Willia
   m Mangione-Smith) writes:
   >In article <1992Sep1.191245.17378@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (
   Robert Szczerba) writes:
   >
   >   Yea, you're right.  Michigan was pretty much the only team stupid enough
   >   to kick off to Rocket twice in the same game.  Even Miami was smart enough
   >   not to kick off to him after he ran one back for a TD.  Could it be that
   >   Michigan is even dumber than Miami ... it boggles the mind.
   >
   >You don't think that the performance against Michigan might have had anything
   >to do with Miami's decision, do you Rob?  Dumb or not is a tricky issue to
   >settle.  One thing is clear, though: without the Rocket Notre Dame would
   >have been wiped that day.
   >
   >Bill
   >--
   >-------------------------------
   >    Bill Mangione-Smith
   >    billms@eecs.umich.edu

   Sorry Bill, but this is the dumbest kind of argument to be used in sports.
   "If Notre Dame hadn't of had Rocket, they woulda got beat!"
   First of all, you can't say that! there would have been two more
   Notre Dame offensive possessions that would have eaten up clock, and
   might have resulted in touchdowns anyway. You *don't* and *can't* know!


You are absolutely right.  All that I can do is try to reason about what
would have happened based upon the level/temp of play and the stats.  Using
these as tools, we, as reasonable informed and intelligent adults, can decide
to discuss what might have happened in an attempt to decide which team might
have been better.  Or we can say the score and shut up, since all other
discussion is just speculation.  I find that pretty boring, so I read this
news group to follow the game more and discuss interesting issues.  You
obviously just read it for the scores.  Here's a clue: they are in the Sunday
paper.  And, for most of us, the season hasn't started.  So why are you
reading this news group?

Clue two: Robert was trying to set off some UM guys with his comments.  Try
actually reading them again.  So I responded by trying to set off some ND
guys, by pointing out that ND was badly overmatched in the stats and on the
field that day.  You are right, that doesn't mean that they would have lost,
and I really didn't/don't want to get into a discussion of that.  My
discussion of the Mich/fsu and Mich/UW games last year got me more than
enough posts that said: "Sit down, shut up, recite the scores, and stick your
head up your butt like me".  Mr. Nelson has recently struck up this refrain
from out of the blue.  So to speak.

Bill
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-------------------------------
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From: rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rocket stuff
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:12:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Sep1.152200.28456@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>In article <BILLMS.92Sep1100646@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (Willia
>m Mangione-Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.135535.27339@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.ac
>s.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>>
>>
>>>   Does anyone remember 1988?  '90?  Oh yea, I forgot.  Miami
>>>   also lost to BYU in '90.  They were depressed after that, they lost their
>>>   senses and kicked to The Rocket.
>>>
>>>  See you in the Fiesta Bowl.  That is, if you can get by Penn State.  ;)
>>>
>>I think you will see Steve's team much sooner than that, Susan.  If you read
>>the woof you will know.  His team doesn't play Penn State.
>>
>>Bill
>
>Is his team the one that kicked to The Rocket TWICE? ;)
>
>Sorry about the mix-up.


Yea, you're right.  Michigan was pretty much the only team stupid enough
to kick off to Rocket twice in the same game.  Even Miami was smart enough
not to kick off to him after he ran one back for a TD.  Could it be that 
Michigan is even dumber than Miami ... it boggles the mind.

			- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:13:26 GMT



In article <67462@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) write
s:
>jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) wrote:
>}
>}We remember how the Ref's gave the game to ND.   I Remember a bad call, the
>}re-play showed that Miami had a first down.  That gave Miami a first
>}down on the one inch line.  One bad call, or Miami whould have had five NC's
>}in nine years.
>
>Okay Jason, but if you go and change the calls in that game you'll have
>to revisit the 1989 Sugar Bowl and give Alabama the two missed fumble
>calls.  Who wins that game then and who is left as National Champ?
>

Furthermore, if you overturn one bad call (which wasn't, IMHO) in the game, you
have to overturn all of them.  The one that really comes to mind is Miami's 
first touchdown - the guy (or the ball) NEVER made it into the endzone.  I 
suggest that you watch the whole game again.  You will see at least five 
terrible calls that didn't go Notre Dame's way.  These calls could have made a 
big difference.

Gee, if the refs hadn't screwed up that one call, Miami would have won...
Yea right.  You forget that there were still seven minutes left in the game.  
Notre Dame beat Miami.  I know it's hard to accept.  Sorry.  :)
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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bob and the kids (was Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden)
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug28.133457.20336@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes...
#Yes, I'm well aware of the value of a scholarship (we've put 2 girls
#through college and have 2 boys in High School getting ready for
#college)

Who else in this group finds the idea of Rowdy Bob being a father and raising
children to adulthood to be a frightening prospect?  The only thing more
scary IMHO, would be a baby goober!  I was appalled last year to find that
Chowderhead nEWeLl has kids, now this.

Say, Bob, do your kids have the same open-mindedness and objectivity as you?
Did you make them all go to Dear Ole Rutgers?

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OSU woofing enclosed
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:37:09 GMT
	<1992Sep1.100605.3844@desire.wright.edu>
	<BILLMS.92Sep1132307@z.eecs.umich.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <BILLMS.92Sep1132307@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
}} 
}} Can't tell time, and can't remember the last time OSU won either.

Wasn't that headband day?

Who would've thought that Earle Bruce would look so good...

}} Bill

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
          Did you use yew boughs to make the bows to shoot the ewes?

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: cmuck's trip...
Keywords: nn
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:09:45 GMT

>>ps- you guys know the easiest way to break into Kyle Field??  The 
>>   way that I always do it is take a pair of bolt cutters and cut
>>   the padlocks and then put my own up...  damn I miss the days 
>>   when Kyle was open to the public!
>
>Take the grating down down down next to the obnoxious a/c duct across from
>the parking garage. Cross over, go up up up. Enter 312 reed, walk across
>gym and through door on other side. Why buy padlocks? Voof!

I should've guessed you would have answered that one...   :-)

cmuck

ps- I always wanted to steal the tire locks that the KK use to lock your
    car for towing, and put them on the cruisers at the police station...  :-)
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Colorado QBs
Keywords: Big 8
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:23:50 GMT
Reply-To: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Buffalo Stampede


Coach McCartney announced after practice on Monday that sophomore QB
Kordell Stewart would start against CSU on Saturday.

Junior QB Vance Joseph underwent an MRI scan this week, which revealed
that his sore arm is due to microtears of his rotator cuff.  He'll
continue to rest it, but will now also get some treatment for the
injury.  I think he could play Saturday if necessary, and should be much
improved by next week's game.

The coaches haven't decided yet whether to red-shirt freshman QB Koy
Detmer.

[Bapi: we may not get to settle our dispute over whether Vance is a
better passer than Mickey was.  And don't get too excited when NU whomps
Utah on Saturday by 60.]
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