HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: L'Abri and Schaeffer (was Mark Heard)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:10:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.020112.3683@techbook.com> kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.025659.11449@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>>  L'Abri  is a french word for shelter. L'Abri was a study center /
>>  cluster of buildings / group of people in a village in Switzerland
>
>Was/is not Madeleine L'Engle also involved with L'Abri?  (Besides the
>similarities in name, I mean :-)
>
  Not that i know of. Lots of people apparently visited there. Perhaps
 she did too. 
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john r la plante                    calling from the Ohio State University
jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  political analysis done while you wait
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mike Warnke update
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:22:32 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


Thanks to Robert Suto for his post on the Cornerstone article.

I also recieved this piece of mail a couple of days ago from Ken Mann:

> Chuck,
>
> I received a letter from Warnke Ministries several months ago that Mike
> and Rose were getting divorced.  It said that after two years of marital
> counseling, all parties agreed that divorce was the best solution.
>
> Sorry I didn't save the letter....
>
>
>  Shalom!   |   INTERNET: mannk@fshvmfk1.vnet.ibm.com
>    Ken     |   VNET:     FSHVMFK1(MANNK)
>            |   IBMnet:   mannk@saskatchewan.fishkill.ibm.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>                You can only coast downhill!

Thanks for information, Ken.

If you find out any new information about this "unfolding news story",  
then please send me e-mail.  I will be compiling all the information I  
recieve and I'll report back to r.m.c. and soc.religion.christian in about  
a week or so...

Please continue to pray for Mike and his ministry.

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: magazines
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:27:06 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul29.215933.5466@pony.Ingres.COM>, paiz@Ingres.COM (OUR HOPE IS DEEPER THAN THE PAIN WE OFTEN FEEL) writes:
> my subscription to CCM is about to expire, so before I go ahead and subscribe,
> I would like to know if there are other magazines that deal more with non-main-
> stream music (i.e. one that deals more with King's X than with Sandi Patty).
        NoteBoard
        Harvest Rock Syndicate
        A.C.M. Journal
        The Rock
        True News
        Pure Rock Report
        Heaven's Metal
        White Noize
        Cephas
        Radically Saved

How's that fer a start?
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: violet burning's strength: review
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:02:59 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul20.180256.8058@news.eng.convex.com>, Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com> writes:
> 
> Well, hopefully I won't be the only one posting a review about
> the violet burning's new disc (Strength).  I am as interested in other
> people's opinions about this as I am sure you are in hearing mine.  Well,
> obviously more than that ;-)

It is a great album.  The first that I heard was CHOSEN.  But this album is
just the best.  

> From the outset I notice that every piece of this band has matured,
> including, thankfully, the lead vocalist's voice.  For me, it just
> didn't measure up to the music on their debut.  Now it does.
> 
> Song Of The Harlot is the natural follow on to The Killing.
> It is probably their most dynamic song yet.  Probably the single
> greatest song on the disc.

I'm a bass player, so naturally, I enjoy "Gold" and "Like The Sun" the best.
The dynamics are incredible.  The Steve Vai album PASSION AND WARFARE was the
most dynamic record that I had ever heard to date, until I heard STRENGTH.

> Their cover of Eleanor Rigby is full of feeling.  The Beatles
> were before my time, and I haven't spent much time catching up
> on them.  So I can't comment on it in the light of comparison to
> the original.  However I do want to say that even with my passing
> familiarity with this song in the Beatles context, the violet's
> version is incredible.
> 
> Dissappointments?  Only that they only 'pull out all the stops' on the
> Song of the Harlot.  The rest of the songs are rather mellow and ethereal.
> Which is not bad.  Lets just call it too much of a not-bad thing ;-)
> 
> I would've liked the dynamic quality of SOTH on more of the disc, not
> because that is the only musical style I prefer, but because its obvious
> that they have something unique to offer in this area as well.
> 
> For $10.88 its not a bad deal though.  (most Christian bookstores are
> carrying it under the FMG no risk deal)
> 
> Of course they spoiled us last time by putting so many (was it 12 or 13?)
> tracks on 1 disc.  This one only has 10.
> 
> --
> Tom (moeller@convex.com)
> 		". . . cross me 3 times, just remember . . ."
> 	I Am No Christ / Michael Knott / Screaming Brittle Siren

Great disc!  Buy it!

Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: pstephan@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Paul H. Stephan)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:38:49 GMT

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.
>
>Bill

I'm not Baptist; I'm United Methodist.  In spite of my denominations many
Liberal views I would probably be adding to the conservative view that you
mentioned.

Paul H. Stephan
(pstephan@mcs.kent.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA)
Subject: Re: Keith Green
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:07:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.120103.8442@cm.cf.ac.uk> Alastair.T.Clarke@cm.cf.ac.uk (Alastair Clarke) writes:
>The name of Keith Green has come up several times recently.  From memory it
>is ten years ago today (28th July) that he died in a private plane crash.

>What a loss to christian music.......

What a gain for Keith and the others who went to be with the Lord!  Imagine
being suddenly removed from a hot Texas day, into His glorious presence...

I believe you're right about the date, Alastair.  I recall that it was a
Wednesday.  I had recently gotten out of Youth With A Mission, and another
YWAM'er and I were driving through Texas that day.  I remember seeing the
exit sign for Lindale, and discussing whether we should stop off.  (Even
then, YWAM and Last Days were very close.)  Maybe it was a bit of the
"Christian idolatry" we've been discussing lately, but we really would have
liked to meet the Greens and the rest of the folks at LDM.  I'm not sure
why, but we decided against it, figuring we'd have plenty of time to do
so in the future.  It wasn't till a couple of days later that yet another
YWAM'er told us of the crash.  What a weird feeling - even now, after all
these years.

Yet it's so neat to see that Keith's ministry is still bearing fruit.  His
music, though perhaps not as finely polished as some of the more recent
artists', is still being used to reach people.  The ministry that he and
Melody founded has continued, and grown.  This tells me that it was truly
centered on the Lord, and not on a man.  If only we could say the same
about all "Christian" ministries.  Sure, I wish Keith were still here,
blessing us with new music from the Lord.  But I can hardly wait to hear
what he's playing now that he's face to face with the One he loved more
than anything else!


----
Roberta Taylor KB2OOA  | You let me sing a song for you every now and then,
AT&T Bell Laboratories | But I'm asking you, when are you gonna listen?
Whippany, NJ           | You say I never sing about anyone but Jesus
rlt@gummo.att.com  <>< | Well, that's because Jesus is my song. ---Anne Herring

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:19:18 GMT

In article <76736@ut-emx.uucp> jean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Powell) writes:
>
>Since we're (sorta) on the subject of Baptists and conservativism, I thought
>I'd bring up an interesting fact.  According to survey results which I saw a
>year or two ago in The New York Times, Baptists have the second highest
>percentage of Democratic members of any major American Christian group.  The
>highest group (I think either Methodists or Presbyterians) was only a few
>percentage points higher than Baptists.  If I recall correctly, the number
>was something like 65%.
>
>I was strongly surprised.
>

My guess is that this is due to geography.  Baptists are much
more numerous in the South, and the South has been overwhelmingly
Democratic until recent years.  It is still very Democratic if
one looks beyond presidential elections.  But, of course, Southern
Democrats tend to be much more conservative than Democrats from
other regions--hence the success of Republican presidential 
candidates in the South.

John


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Perfectionism
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:37:31 GMT

In article <63822@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King) writes:
>
>Yes, Tom Scholz has a masters degree (in Mech. Eng.?) from MIT, and he DOES
>have a very good paying job in industry.  He is the head of Scholz Research
>and Development, which makes musical equipment, notably Rockman.  I don't get
>your point about CCM artists having to work regular jobs, because Scholz 
>has a regular job too, and he finds time to make music also.  Where is the
>difference?

The difference is that Scholz Research and Development did not exist
before the first or second Boston album, as far as I know.  If I recall
correctly, he left the engineering field *before* Boston's first album
came out, so that he could tour with them and work on recording.  There
is a level of dedication and sacrifice here that part-timers may not
have.


[From an unattributed article:]
>>>Secondly, i would venture to state that the
>'talent level' of the average, pick-em-out-of-a-hat CCM musician would be
>equal or higher than that of the typical 'secular' artist.  With the higher
>budgets, and therefore better equipment and more studio time, of secular
>artists, they can take lots of time getting everything just right.  _I_ could
>play a *insert great secular keyboardist here* solo if i had the time to sit
>down and sequence the thing out a note at a time on a $10000 keyboard. 

Ask Rick Wakeman from Yes what he things about sequencers.  To
paraphrase from an interview, he would *never* use sequencers to play
something that he couldn't play "live".


>>>HOWEVER, consider the 'Tamplin and Friends' album. I happen to like it, even
>though the production could be better.  I read somewhere that that album was
>recorded primarily on 'first-takes,' in a period of a few weeks.  To be able
>to play stuff like that on the first shot, even with lots, of practice, takes
>talent.  

Top-of-the-line production does not make bad music good any more than poor production makes good music bad.  Many of Yes' albums were recorded in very primitive conditions (e.g., mobile studios) even for that time, but the quality is there.  Quality depends more on the amount of time you are willing to sacrifice to both write *and* produce a recording.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Subject: Re: This zip thing
Originator: ras@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:44:41 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.155933.21135@news.acns.nwu.edu>, daphne@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Amy Kruse) writes:
|> Okay so I got the Warnke article from the archive but it's in the zip thing. 
|> How do I get it out?  And if getting it out takes a monumental task, could
|> someone just email it to me?  There is much to dive into and I want to get
|> started.  Thanks......Amy

For those of you on UNIX systems who can't figure out how to unzip the
Warnke article, this should help. On the same FTP sight that you got
the article is the source for a version of unzip that runs on UNIX
platforms (I believe it is equivilant to PKUNZIP for PCs).

To get it:
1) ftp to wuarchive.wustl.edu
2) cd to /usenet/comp.sources.misc/volume19/unzip
3) set mode to binary (type bin)
4) mget * (there are 6 files, part01.Z - part06.Z) this will get all of them
5) quit ftp

It is best to create an unzip directory and copy the .Z files there. Then:
1) type: uncompress *.Z
2) edit all 6 files and remove all lines before the block of text that says:
     #! /bin/sh
     # This is a shell archive.  Remove anything before this line, then unpack
     # it by saving it into a file and typing "sh file".  To overwrite existing
     # files, type "sh file -c".  You can also feed this as standard input via
     # unshar, or by typing "sh <file", e.g..  If this archive is complete, you
     # will see the following message at the end:
     #               "End of archive 1 (of 7)."
3) for each file type: sh <filename> (sh part01, etc)
4) the Makefile is set up to run on many different platforms. To make it work
   I typed: make generic

You should now have an executable called unzip

To unzip the article, just type: unzip warnke.zip. This will produce the
followinig:
captions.txt    educatn.txt     pubtrust.txt
contents        format.not      warnke.txt
dates.txt       kaizrepl.txt

When I did all this, all of my text files had a bunch of ^M characters in it.
It makes the files more difficult to read. Does anyone have a quick and easy
way to remove these? A sed script perhaps???

Anyway, thoses are the steps I followed to unzip the article. I hope they
work for you.

Good luck and God bless,

Russ

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-      =              Jesus Christ is the answer.                    =    -
=    =====         Now, what was your question again?              =====  =
-      =                 --------------------                        =    -
=      =            God doesn't believe in atheists                  =    =
-      =  A fool says in his heart that there is no God (Psalm 14:1) =    -
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From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: U2 uses padding?! Horrors!
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:41:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>>I always find it amusing, as a guitarist, when non-musicians ask me to "play
>something by U2!"  One guy with an acoustic guitar? Impossible.  They use 3 
>or 4 guitars at once, plus sometimes string/key/weird sounds.
>Their whole gimmick is the "wall of sound/textured" approach, which
>cannot be duplicated by 4 live musicians, no matter how talented.  

U2 uses surprisingly simple guitar techniques.  I suspect distortion,
delay, and maybe an octave pedal would be all you need for leads, at
least on their earlier songs like "Sunday Bloody Sunday".


Yes, it's true that the individual parts are very simplistic.  That's the 
problem.  To get a record that sounds interesting, they HAVE to layer several
parts, each part being a simple one, though.  One person cannot duplicate
the "interesting guitar sounds" because you can usually only play one of the
parts at a time.


-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu
From: gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:35:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <84728@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> I sense an impending denominational flame war here.  Could this be
> transferred to soc.religion.christian?  Or better yet, avoided
> altogether?

  Flame war, no. Intense discussion, yes. Although mail would probably be better
  for all concerned.


I wonder if Quayle was quoting from personalE experience?  ;-)

> "What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
> wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 



Bill


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Hey, leave The PIG alone!
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:35:28 GMT
Organization: Roadkills-R-Us

Out of the mouth of The DOK:
`...(Jerry B. Ray) writes:
`
`> (Or forget top 40 and listen to One Bad Pig :-)
`
`       Now listen here you!!!!!!!!! 
`           Don't you ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
`ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
`  [ times 6 ]
`ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever say that again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes - I am HIGHLY offended!  Why, oh, *why* did you
put the smily face after that excellent advice????

-Miles

works for me
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:44:41 EDT
From: <NXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Third Heaven?

Is this Third Heaven anything like what Greg Volz sings about in Joyous Grave
from the River Is Rising lp?  I wish the Bible had more to say about what
happens between our death and judgement day.  From what I understand, believers
will lay in the grave, but in total blissful peace, until judgement day.  I can
live with that.

DAn
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: rick@jpusa1.chi.il.us (Rick Mills)
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke Controversy in Cornerstone magasine
Organization: JPUSA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:22:20 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

	We do not have ftp access, but if someone with ftp access
would care to post the zipped article to an accessible site I can
make it available to them (thru email most likely). Drop me a line
if you're intrested.

-rick
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Johnny Cash
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:12:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Jul25.171015.8897@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>In article <SCHOUTEN.92Jul24213824@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>>So, like is he a christian or something?
>>
>>Dale schouten@uiuc.edu
>
>So i've been told. Not favoring "old" country music, i've never checked it
>out.


Not that this is a requirement or something, but I'm inclined to think
that if One Bad Pig would give him such a prominent place on their
album, he must be.

..granted, I haven't heard the song.  I think it's called
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject:  Hey, leave The PIG alone!
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:41:37 GMT

In article <64144@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:


> (Or forget top 40 and listen to One Bad Pig :-)
> 
> JRjr


       Now listen here you!!!!!!!!! 
           Don't you ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,
ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever say that again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please.

              The DOK
From: jean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:31:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <64547@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>By, Secular, I meant not a Christian. No, it's not that anybody really
>said what they were, i.e. denominmation. I just meant that most of the
>postings seemed to be on the conservative side, and I tend to think
>that it's usually Baptists. So I'm wrong, I started this out of 
>curiousity, not out of the desire to get flames. I get enough of
>those already. :)
>
>Bill

Since we're (sorta) on the subject of Baptists and conservativism, I thought
I'd bring up an interesting fact.  According to survey results which I saw a
year or two ago in The New York Times, Baptists have the second highest
percentage of Democratic members of any major American Christian group.  The
highest group (I think either Methodists or Presbyterians) was only a few
percentage points higher than Baptists.  If I recall correctly, the number
was something like 65%.

I was strongly surprised.

Obligatory_Reference_To_Christian_Music:  Keith Green is amazing, especially
when it comes to piano skills.

Adios,
   Logan  (Jonathan let me post from his account.  Hi everybody!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries)
Subject: Re: Warnke zip file
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:32:02 GMT

I forgot to say that you should transfer the file from wuarchive in binary 
mode.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant is NOT a dirty word!
Reply-To: colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:52:45 GMT

In article <84100@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
|> 
|> I find it encouraging, even exhilarating, that this album has not been
|> ghettoized into the Christian subculture but is instead being listened
|> to across the board.  Christian music that leads us Christians to
|> worship and praise God is a wonderful thing; Christian music (and art
|> of all types) that reaches out to non-Christians is rare.  
|> 
|> --Lauren
|>  
The other day I was shopping in The Bay (a big Canadian department store),
and they were playing "Heart in Motion" over the speakers.  I was very happy
to note that they played the *entire* album from start to finish, not just
the "hits" from it.  Amazing!  CCM being played over the speakers in malls -
I've never heard of that before (at least not around here).

-- 
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Bell-Northern Research Ltd. 	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Internet:  colette@bnr.ca 
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