HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Monitor for the 1200
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:50:36 GMT

In article <1dmg5lINN3a7@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu
(Gregory G Greene) writes:

>	I have an even more specific question.  If I get an A1200 ( or the mid
>   range AGA Amiga that hopefully CBM will release ), can I use my Sony 1304
>   monitor that is currently hooked up to my 486, with it?  Ultimately, I'd
>   like to have some kind of A/B switch box arrangement so I can use my  
>   monitor with both computers. 

No problem. The only limitation will be modes requiring horizontal scan
rates < 28 kHz. For most purposes this won't be an issue, unless an
800x600 interlaced display is a priority.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.)
Subject: marc barrett is in hell
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:06:22 GMT


with commodore once again churning out competetive machines and
actually advertising...

and...

president clinton with a mostly democratic congress...

marc barrett must be in his own personal hell..

ob: advocacy

the the newest MCI add. where the father gets divorced and buys his
kid a flight simulator and a 1-800 number, has an amiga in it.

<quoting david bowie>
the times they are a changing, the facts are on tv...

c.
--
                                                                    |V
                                                                    |A
  |------------------------|                                        |T
  |agent orange health club|-------------------------------         |I
  |    lifetime member     |   cshort@crl.nmsu.edu is spamgod       |C
  |------P|-----                                                    |A
         O|      Silica Gell. Do Not Eat. Stays Crispy In Milk.   --|N ------|
         P|                               ----------------|vietnam theme park|
	 E|				                  |------------------|
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:44:26 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:

: > > If you're not interested in computers buy a PC. Do I need to
: > > explain my point?

: I *love* it when these 'lurker' types we've never seen before come
: out of the woodwork once and a while and inject a little reality into
: you *GOOFY* Amigans' heads. ;)

It seems like my statement above made a lot of PC-owners angry. But why?
I mean that if you just wanna use your computer to run "office programs"
a PC is excellent. And that's just what most people want.

--
=========================================================
=  Regards  =  email:              =  1280x512x256000+  = 
=  Mattias  =  matt-dah@dsv.su.se  =  I love it.        =
=========================================================
=  The only way to get improved software for the Amiga  =
=  is *buying* the existing ones. Do you realize that?  = 
=========================================================
From: sjchmura@quads.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (200+ lines)
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:29:24 GMT
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Medical School

In article <1992Nov12.205833.44294@news.th-darmstadt.de> wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:
>               (chuckle)
>>ponents.
>Yeah, right. You can do even better, reduce the portrayable colors downto
>16 (HAM6) and get RAPs. This is sooo cool!
>
What are you talking about?  He was only using HAM6 as an example ...
HAM8 would, by the doctors definition, have 67 colors to choos from per pixel.

>
>OK I'll believe you there (for the sake of argument). The methodology is 
>still very wasteful (even If you don't have to start at pixel 0) on 
>CPU time. I can't quite imagine how one knows from looking at a pixel (#1#)
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh come now.  The question should be "conceive how one knows."  We can all
imagine quite well :)

>that you have reached a basepixel there. Is there a little bit saying, 
>"hey, I am a basepixel, my color register hasn't changed ?"

Please read the RMK manuals for more info.  YES, this does happen and it
takes ZERO CPU time.  A HAM8 screen takes no more bandwith than the equivilent
8-bitplane screen.

>
>Anyway this apparently means for 16 or 64 colors I am guaranteed a 'hit' 
>whereas for the other couple of thousands I am still losing. I am somehow 
>still not jubilant about this HAM stuff. Given a choice I'd rather take a
>RAP screen.
>
Then use the 8-bit hires screen.  With a pallete sooo large it will surely look
wonderful.  This has been argued many many times.  Given smooth color transitions resolution becomes of second importance.  The Falcon has a pallete of
32,000 when in its 640x480 mode.  The color transitions will be apparent.  Sorry
there is no way flesh will look "truew color" only 24 shades to pick from.

>Case closed.
Please read how HAM works before you slam it.  Compare ANY picture you can 
produce on the FALCON to a HAM8 800x600 screen.  If you can honesly find
a picture that looks better, please upload it for us.  We all have access
to SVGA "true-color" boards and will surely display it.


>
>	Nat!
>(#1#)
>Amiga lamers take note: looking at a pixel does NOT mean in this case
>looking at the monitor and identifing it as "sorta-mellow-brownish-
>with-a-blue-tint".
>-- 
> -----   Email: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de  -----
>               "Bang that bit that doesn't bang"   
>Album of the month: "The plague that.." Infectious Grooves (an oldie)
>


-- 
________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
  "Given enough time, the impossible becomes probable, and the probable
	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"
From: csmith@terapin.com (Colin Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:55:32 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <OA92-901-306p1_DC448B13@piraya.bad.se>,
Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
>
> WS> I dont really see how you can debate piracy on the news, without
> WS> actually hearing from any pirates themselves, otherwhise you are just
> WS> speculating what pirate activity there is.
>
>Why not? I guess most people have had contact with the piracy world in one way
>or another. Some of us maybe dial up one or a few piracy BBS's to see what's
>going on in the software business. Yup, that's the best way, really. Better
>than reading every Amiga rag there is, since magazines always lag behind, and
>a written review is not as good as actually trying out the software for
>yourself.
>
> WS> And no intelligent pirate (I see the contradiction there) is going to
> WS> start arguing for piracy here as giving away his email address 
>effectively WS> gives away his identity to the world.
>
>Why shouldn't you be able to argue for piracy? It isn't phrobited to argue
>about it, you know. In one Swedish FidoNET echo, we have had a piracy debate
>since about a month, and both sides can share opinions and views. I think that
>is a good thing.
>
> WS> So stop arguing about it, if you want to stop piracy, then stop your
> WS> arguments about it on the news
>
>Not arguing about piracy will not stop it. Well, even if we DO argue about it
>will probably not stop it, but it will perhaps convince some misaligned
>individual to buy at least one or two originals in his lifetime...
>
> WS> as i am sure there are many pirates lurking around this
> WS> group (always reading, never posting) who are grinning really widely at
> WS> you lack of knowledge of the extent, greatness, sparseness, or piracy on
> WS> any machine
>
>What's that supposed to mean? Not ALL around are completely clueless about the
>piracy situation, you know!
>
> WS> Lets not entertain the subject, its futile in my opinion.
>
>Sweeping the subject under the carpet isn't going to do us any good. I'd
>rather think of it like, if we hide it away and don't look, it will grow and
>fester, and small nasty creatures are going to start creeping out from under
>the carpet... :) No really, I think there is some substance in it, if we WANT
>to deal with the problem (it IS a problem!), we've got to do it out in the
>light, so to speak. Perhaps there is another newsgroup better suited for the
>purpose than this one, c.s.a.misc perhaps?
>
>
> WS> #For sale: New prince cd. $00.09 cents each ONO. Hurry,must leave country
> WS>  soon!#
>
>:-D
>
>
>  Regards.
>
>  InterNET/BadNET: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (92:901/603.1)
>          FidoNET: Hogen BBS, 2:203/511.7@fidonet
>   /  /
>  /--/
> /  /B - No Mr. Nice-Guy Anymore...
>
>--- Point Manager 3.00 Beta Unreg.
Hi. I call Pirate BBSs every now and then And I keep wondering, How come they
never get caught? I mean, Pirating is illegal isn't it? I would think
Government or someone would crack down on these guys!!
From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:22:58 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <1992Nov11.074820.27753@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:

>Doesn't matter.  Fact is, Falcon hasn't been released, both the A1200 & A4000
>have been.  Its been a short while since the release of the AGA machines
>anyhow.  You think you'll have an easier time finding a Falcon when it's
>released? Even 6 months after release?  I think I can safely say... NO WAY
>DUDE!

	StarBase Atari in San Antonio, TX will have a demo unit that I can
try out within a couple of weeks.  And then I can buy one (probably in
January) if I like it.  Where in Texas can I try out a 1200?

>BIG question.  What Sysadmin is gonna get Falcon's to hook up to his or her
>Localtalk network with macs?  Lets get a grip on reality here.  The localtalk
>in a falcon is basically a neato gadget for home users, or perhaps an odd
>professional user here or there.  Ethernet would be a damn sight MORE useful
>than this localtalk garbage.... and even that should be an extra option.

	How does this make no LAN better than LocalTalk?  You know, there will
be add-ons for the Falcon also, GASP! even though it has built in features!

>A sampler of course.  If you have enough money for a CD-ROM drive, you
>should have no problem with a $40 sampler box, either.  Even with a
>SCSI controller as well, I'll bet the A1200 will cost less than a Falcon
>will when released.

	This still doesn't make no built in sampler better than the Mic jack
on the Falcon.  Your whole article was saying add, add, add (to the 1200).
This does not make the 1200 better than the Falcon, things can be added to
the Falcon also, you just don't need to do it as much.  (No battery backed
clock/calender either?  Why don't I just build my own computer and copy my
friends ROMs and disks?)

P.S.  Which newsgroup can I go to to get some meaningful feedback on the 1200
to help make my decision?  So far from what I've seen here the choice is
very obvious:

Viva la Falcon!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Now You're Playing With Power Without The Price!"  Glen Sescila   |||
                                                                  / | \
My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer and probably are
exact opposites.	InterNet: glens@natinst.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger)
Subject: Re: I found it! An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:44:07 GMT

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.192816.6343@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> >In article <9982@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
> >>
> >>Yeah, but now the finally killing argument: If it has more than one floppy
> >>drive, can it also format more than one floppy at a time??? Hah? See.
> >>Amiga can.
> >
> >Sure, of course OS/2 can do this.  Hell, even *MS WINDOWS* can do this...
> >dog slow all the while....

>Now something must be wrong (perhaps me): It was told me all the time
>that the floppy controller chip used standardly in a PC does not allow
>this. Hmm, I *can* imagine programming such a chip track-wise and then
>let another programm step in to write a track to a different drive.
>Is it so? That could also explain the reported slowness. If so, I have
>to apologize and stand corrected.

> >But really, OS/2 can handle it.  And formatting a HD partition at the same time,
> >too. :-)

>A harddisk is trivial. It always has its own controller. :-)

While I'm not sure if you can have Windoofs formatting two floppy disks
at the same time, you forgot to mention Windoof's greatest advantage 
when it comes to formatting: Under Windoofs you can have several tasks
formatting the same disk in the same drive _simultaneously_ ... =8-)
(That's __true__ multitasking...). 

Decide if you laugh or cry now.

>-- 
>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk

winnie.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:33:59 GMT

In article <18952@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> djkordsm@quesadilla.engr.ucdavis.edu
(David Joseph Kordsmeier) writes:

>	I think it is time we Amiga users took some initiative to let 
>Software Developers know what we WANT...

>	My main purpose of this post is to get people thinking and post some
>of their own ideas on what they applications they want to see developed, or
>what improvements they want to see in existing applications. Perhaps we could
>get a TOP 10 MOST WANTED SOFTWARE APPS list going and keep it regularily
>updated until developers DELIVER. (much like the one you see in NextWorld).

Not a bad idea at all. Two general precursors to all developments:

       o strict compliance with the 2.0 style guide
       o consideration for RTG compatibility

A couple of contributions:

       o an application framework environment (Visual BASIC, Toolbook)
       o a word processing package w/support for structured graphics

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Motorola is making their own line of computers?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:33:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.155816.26971@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>
>     I saw two advertisements from Motorola with them
>advertising a computer line. Does anyone have more information
>about this? (Details...I want details). Please E-mail me your
>response as my news reader is suffering from temporary brain
>damage...8^)

   Motorola used to make Intel-based PC clones.  I don't know if they still
do, though.  

>                                     T.K. Kontos
>
>Favorite overheard comment of the week:
>
>   "Pentium??? is that a new flavor of chewing gum?"

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
   "Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow..." 
        --Bill Clinton theme song by Fleetwood Mac
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se (Thomas Grennefors  TX/DKF)
Subject: Amiga or Messy-DOS?
Summary: Advise not flames
Keywords: Amiga,PC
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:59:37 GMT



I'm considering buying a new computer. My 500 starts to feel limited and slow,
and unreliable. So the computers i considering is A3000, A4000, 386 or 486.
The requirements i got on my to be new computer is, colour monitor, 20Mhz
or more HD, and it should be reliable and easy to use.

The main arguments against the Amiga is its reability. It's not to reliable.
Some programs work on a 500 with 1.3 but not on a 500+ or if you have extra
chipmem and so on. Thats one of the strong points of the PC. Most (i know
its not all) works on most machines. You can of course have requirements like
VGA or 2M mem needed, but then again you can have these requirements on the Amiga.
Overall the PC feels more stable than the Amiga. I'm getting tired of RW errors
on my diskettes, gurus and plain crashes.

Another drawback of the Amiga is the future support and new software. This seems
to be somewhat uncertain right now. One of the strong points of the PC is that
you can be certain that you can get support, expansion parts and new software
for a long time to come.

The programs i use most (apart from recreational software) is word processing and
a data base. It is much easier to find good DB or word processing program for
the PC.

Another thing to consider is the price. A 486 is about $3000 here in sweden.
A 3000 costs about $3500 and a 4000 is somewhere around $4500.

A drawback  with a PC is of course Messy-DOS and Windows. But then again you
can run unix on your PC (as you can on Amiga).

The good things about the amiga is of course ... come to think about it i
cannot namne one that the PC cannot match. Can anyone else do this?

No flames please (but i realise that this is highly unlikely when posting
to this group :-). Anyone that can come up with any good arguments to why i
should stick with the Amiga. And no. Amiga is cool is not a good argument.
Let me see if you can convince me that i should stick with the Amiga.

--

Thomas Grennefors         ! What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Ericsson Telecom,Karlstad ! What do you mean, an African or a European swallow?
etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se ! Well...I don't know...AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Reply-To: heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<1992Nov9.233145.8885@ra.msstate.edu>
	<1992Nov11.104630.10722@mercury.unt.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:53:01 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:46:30 GMT, west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West) said:

Bruce>    I cannot strees the following point enough.  The amiga is an infinitely
Bruce> more *productive* machine than an IBM.  

A RS6000 or IBM mainframes too?  Okay, you perhaps mean IBM PC and clones.
But if Amiga is infinitely more productive that means either
productivity of Amiga is infinite, i.e. you can finish any task in
zero time and number of task is unlimited, or productivity of IBM is
zero, i.e. you can't finish any task ever.  
I think you are trying to bullshit us.

Bruce>On my fully decked A3000 I am 
Bruce> constantly downloading, while I am doing my long compiles, during these
Bruce> compiles I touch up my notes, during which time I am doing whatever calculations
Bruce> need to be done for lab.  In addition I'm sometimes rendering some stuff
Bruce> to check out later.  In an hour I can get more different things done than
Bruce> someone can on any IBM.

A 486DX2-66 (or any 486) machine has more raw CPU power than A3000 so in most
cases it takes longer to do a thing with an A3000 than a 486 machine. And
when you do things with a computer you have to type, use mouse etc.
There must persons who are faster typists and mouse users than you, so
it will take more time for you to do things. Also there are more
software available for IBM PCs which means there is a more wide range of
things to choose from. I'm quite sure that if there were 1000 skilled
persons with good 486DX2-66 machines and with lots of right sowftware most
of them would get more different things done in an hour than you.  

Bruce>  The Amiga
Bruce> *is* multitasking.  The IBM does *NOT* premtive multitask - period.  

No kidding?  I wonder what my machine is doing if it's not
preemptively mustitasking? Maybe you can explain? I have not taken
drugs so it can't be a hallucination....

Bruce>     Besides, I must make an ideological point - since you are a EE. The
Bruce> Amiga has and always will be the "hackers" computer in my view (hacker in
Bruce> the true sense of the word).  

Naw, Linux is the real hackers OS nowadays and it runs on PCs only.

-Heikki

--
                                                Heikki Suopanki
                                                suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi 
                                                                 
                                                more space needed
From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:47:01 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <1992Nov6.163758.5805@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>6 wheels and nuclear power wouldn't sell from a company with a limited
>corporate infrastructure, ethereal revenue, no dealers and a non-existent
>software base. But, I digress: 

	I want to buy a new computer, not a company.

>To interface with what? 

	How about all these Macs/Laser Writers/Net Modems we have on our
AppleTalk network throughout the building here at work?

>How many Falcons will come equipped with 2.5" SCSI-II drives? 

	The Falcon has IDE for internal Hard Disk and SCSI for external
devices (bigger hard disks, CD-ROM drives, etc).

>AGA specific software will be HD installable. Anyone who buys a floppy-only
>system deserves the frustration.

	Anyone who buys a hard disk from Atari or Commodore deserves to be
shot.  There are many less expensive sources.

>Let's face it, we've heard this all before (circa 1985). The Falcon is
>certainly a nice machine, but the kitchen-sink approach is more an act of 
>desperation than a benevolent gesture to the user base. What's left for
>third-party development?

	Yeah, that is a good reason to buy something(1200), because it has
fewer features than its competitor!  That makes no sense at all.  Again, add
up the price of the 1200 and the most usfull features from the Falcon that
the 1200 is lacking.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Now You're Playing With Power Without The Price!"  Glen Sescila   |||
                                                                  / | \
My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer and probably are
exact opposites.	InterNet: glens@natinst.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy