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From: Bret.Ketchum@GANDALF.NETWORK.COM
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Bird guns and birds
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:58:29 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Joe writes:
>	         The basic difference is that my gun just shoots, and I can
>	immediately take a second shot; the Browning seemed to go
>	POW-clunk-thud-rattle as it fired and then ejected the shell.  Took a
>	whole lot longer!

	You must be awfully quick with the finger me as I don't even notice
"POW-clunk-thud-rattle". The Browning Auto's I've shot would fire as
fast as the trigger was pulled. But hey, I still use a pump for of my
bird hunting.


Matt Rein #3 writes:
> Last year I would come out of my better spots with a few birds EVERY
> time I went.  Two years ago I'd get a limit 50% of the time and be
> darn close the other 50% of the time.  Three years ago a friend and I
> came out of the woods after a whole day hunt with 6 shells left between us.
> Last Saturday I saw ZERO birds, heard ZERO birds, and talked to people
> who had the same luck.  Same place, same cover, same tactics.  When the
> DNR said the population went down 40% last year and 40 percent MORE this
> year I think they were being a little optimistic.

	I've been out only twice since the opener and jumped birds both
occasions. These were two separate locations but where on public land in
East-Central MN. The weather was about the same (warm and sunny) and
I only hunted the morning. They seem to be flushing earlier (even for
early season) and I only encountered one "double" flush. They don't
seem to be hanging out around the aspen early in the morning like usual
and I saw more birds on the dark side then customary. Most of the birds
were in the "grass" and not around dead falls. Next time I go (this
weekend hopefully) I'm going to walk faster to cover more territory
and weave close to the edges of the wet stuff.

	Bret
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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Time for a new moderator
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:03:39 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

It looks like I am going to get my degree and graduate this January.
So it is time to start looking for a new moderator.  I don't know the
official way to do this so I'll just take volunteer and suggestions as
to how to select among the alternatives.

First though, I'd like to say I have had a great time being moderator.
I have met a lot of other rec.hunters and learned quite a bit about
many type of hunting.  Hopefully, I will be able to read rec.hunting
after I leave in January.

Now, I should describe just what a moderator does.  My official
purpose is to reject all animal rights arguments.  However, the
addition of talk.politics.animals and the mere fact that I exist has
kept the number of rejections extremely low.  I have rejected about 35
posts over the last year and half.  More than half of those were
pro-hunting posts I rejected to keep things fair.  Another large block
was commercial postings, notably a large number of informational posts
about opportunities in the former Soviet Union.  But I have rejected
about a half dozen posts from AR folks.

Most of my time is spent just sending out the days posts.  This takes
about 10-20 minutes a day.  The posts come in as email messages and I
store each post in a separate file.  I then use some scripts provided
by other moderators to process the files, assemble the digest for the
mailing list, mail the digest, and post the messages.  In short, I
store the posts and type "post".  Everything else is done
automatically.


So if anyone feels like assuming the role of moderator, let me know.
We can switch things over right away if desired.  That way, I can
sorta "advise" if needed and I can concentrate a bit more on
completing my research, writing my thesis, and moving on.

tim


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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re:  Carrying deer on car
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:49:54 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Another option is the one I use.  Wisconsin law requires that the deer
be visible until it is registered. So I put the deer in the truck with
just its head showing.  After I leave the registration station, I put
the head in the truck too.

tim


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From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Subject: Re: WHICH HUNTING KNIFE
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:44:17 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct6.084254.28174@doug.cae.wisc.edu> motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.075446.9646@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>> 
>>I can't believe I forgot to say this the first time.  The best
>>knife I own is my swiss army knife (the *real* one -> Victorinox).
>>The model is the Boy Scout version of the Huntsman (it has a
>>phillups screwdriver instead of that stupid corkscrew).
>> 
>>This knife keeps it's edge longer than any other knife I have
>>ever owned.
>> 
>
>Chris -
>
>The corkscrew on my Hunstman is NOT stupid.  It is essential for
>spontaneous romantic picnics in the woods.
>
>Hunting takes *many* forms, as does "wild-life".
>
>Mary Otto
>
She's right, you know, and you don't always need all those
silly tags and licenses- and you don't get things tied to
your ear...normally.


Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Southeastern Ohio Squirrel Hunting
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:03:40 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct1.084910.27831@doug.cae.wisc.edu> smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash) writes:
>
>Well I've still been squirrel hunting once or twice a week and I
>still haven't put a dent in the squirrel population yet.  On thursday
>of last week I only had a 1/2 hour to hunt so I figured that I wouldn't
>see to many but I went anyway with my trusty 410 pump.  Well I left
>my house at 5:30 and at 6:00 I took my last shot and I had 4 squirrel.
>You know you have had a good day when you get the bag limit in a half
>hour.
>
>Since then I have went hunting several times, never walking out of the
>woods with less than 2 squirrel.  So far I have got 17 and only 3 have
>had wurbles (sp?) and one of those 3 had 6 (yes 6) wurbles, he looked
>like a rodent tumor!
>

What are "wurbles"? I have never heard of them before. What do they look
like and what do they mean relative to eating the critters? Is this the
same malady that rabbits get?


geoff kotzar
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: "Horsing" geese
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:02:18 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct7.094352.2825@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
  dans@Solbourne.COM (Dan Scott) writes:
>	If they shot the geese while on the ground, I would agree. If
>they did a stalk and surprised the geese and shot them when they
>flushed, then it seems ok.  When the ducks aren't flying, I've done
>some jump-shooting which takes more effort than just sitting in a
>blind waiting for them to come to you. It is illegal to hunt waterfowl
>>from a moving boat here in Colorado, but the regs say nothing about
>stalking.
 
 
Are you sure that's a *moving* boat, or one that is now under some
sort of mechaninical power.  A moving boat would also exclude those
small boats sure as a canoe being pushed by a paddle (which is
definately legal in Texas).  But I agree that it's alot more sporting
to try to sneak up on them, than wait in a blind (note:  i'm not
condemming blinds - heck, that's what I use 90% of the time).
The guys that used the fake horse just seemed pretty darn smart to
me.  :-)
 
 
>	I've seen a blind advertised for sale in the Herter's catalog
>that is the size, shape and color of an Angus cow/steer/bull. It is
>hard to tell the sex when the belly is cut out so hunters can stand
>inside. Two hunters would make an eight legged bull!
 
I've seen GIANT goose decoys that you climbed inside of too!  Looked
pretty nice, but I wouldn't want to have to carry it 300 yards through
a muddy rice field.....
 
      --------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started last week!
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  I get to give it a try this weekend...
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
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From: ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd)
Subject: Re: WHICH HUNTING KNIFE
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:45:09 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Oct7.094417.2899@doug.cae.wisc.edu> reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes) 
writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.084254.28174@doug.cae.wisc.edu> 
motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.075446.9646@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu 
(Chris Barnes) writes:
>>
>>The corkscrew on my Hunstman is NOT stupid.  It is essential for
>>spontaneous romantic picnics in the woods.
>>Hunting takes *many* forms, as does "wild-life".
>>
>>Mary Otto
>She's right, you know, and you don't always need all those
>silly tags and licenses- and you don't get things tied to
>your ear...normally.
>

 My God, Mary:

 What a nice thing to say.  Keep on shootin', lady.  You have a lot of 
 people out there behind and beside you with their fingers crossed.

 Flat shots and good lines to you.  Best wishes to you and yours...

 SB
From: johanneg@cs.rpi.edu (Gummi Johannesson)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: O/U vs Semi-Auto for hunting birds.
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:03:13 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hi

I am interested in knowing what type of shotguns hunters would prefer
to use when hunting birds (e.g. goose).

The types that I have in mind are:
   - Over/Under (e.g. Browning Citory)
  OR
   - Semi-Automatic (e.g. Remington 11-87)


Thanks in advance,
-Gummi
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From: doug@premise.Prime.COM (Doug Fosdick)
Subject: Carrying deer on car
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:47:08 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I deleted the post on a the state law requiring that a 
deer be visible and not in reach of anyone in the vehicle.

One solution is to tie the deer on the outside of the car
(not the engine hood as it is too warm) and then cover
the deer with a tarp except for one foot. Thus only
the foot is visible to the public, yet you are incompliance
with the law. The deer is visible and out of reach of 
all occupants.

Doug



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From: keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:44:05 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct6.084315.28240@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.075435.9611@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>   brcarls@hubcap.clemson.edu (Brian R. Carlson) writes:
>>The #1 most important thing that I MUST have in a skinning knife is a
>>guthook.
>>
>>I dressed hundreds of deer with a plain old gerber before I discovered
>>the wonders of a guthook.  I now use a gerber bolt-lock with a guthook,
>>That guthook makes skinning a deer as easy as if he had built in zippers.
> 
> 
>OK, I'll show my ignorance and ask:  what is a gut hook?

Very simply a curved blade shaped much like a fish hook, but with the 
tip of it very dull. Actually, the tip is more like a ball so as to 
just slide along the organs without cutting them. This makes field
dressing much easier. Check out all the hunting catalogs for photos
or run down to K/Wal Mart. They usually carry the Schrade like mine.


> 
>      --------------------------------------------------
>Chris Barnes            |
>cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started last week!
>(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  I get to give it a try this weekend...
>(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
>
>

Keith

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From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Choosing the proper weapon for the job
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:05:03 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Jim Davis writes:

>I have it on good authority, from someone who flew close air support
>in SE Asia, that a 5.25" AIR-TO-GROUND ROCKET makes an excellent
>elephant round.

>From my own experiences during the Viet Nam conflict aboard the USS
Warrington (DD843), the only ship in anybody's navy to get knocked out
of commission by the mines Nixon laid to blockade Hiaphong harbor, I'd
like to add that the 5 inch 50 caliber naval round is quite effective
on water buffalo (really messes up the meat, though).  :)

Ken


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From: v064myby@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta)
Subject: Color Blindness -
Organization: University at Buffalo
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:44:14 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

	Never thought of color blindness affecting hunting, but a dark
red trail against green/brown foliage - must be very hard to see
indeed!
						
							Latre,
							Q



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From: Timothy.P.Stammers@dartmouth.edu (Timothy P. Stammers)
Subject: Tree stands - question
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:16:40 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I have recently purchased a fairly basic lock on type tree stand.  The
main thing I noticed, the first time I used it , was that it really
takes some getting used to.  It just seems like either sitting or
standing that I don't feel that secure in it even though I'm using a
safety strap.  - My question is, would a climbing stand help this
situation?  Please e-mail if you can help.  Thanks in advance.     -
Tim

Tim.Stammers@Dartmouth.edu


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From: papworth@pdx022.intel.com (David Papworth)
Subject: Re: Shooting Techniques??
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:05:39 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct6.084547.28671@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) writes:
>
>     I am interested in learning the proper breathing techniques to
>use when shooting a rifle.  In other words, when do you pull the
>trigger-- when the lungs are full, partially empty, or fully empty?
>

There is a natural pause in your breathing cycle. Breath in, Breath out,
Pause, Breath in, breath out, pause. You will find you can extend the
pause for 5-10 seconds comfortably. The technique for shooting is;
breath in, breath out, pause, line up the shot, squeeze the trigger,
breath in, breath out, pause, etc. If for some reason you don't take 
the shot on the first pause, take in another breath, let it out, and
try again. This method is superior to "take a breath and hold it",
because it is more comfortable and your muscles are not tensed. You
will find you hold the gun somewhat steadier. Obiously, you don't want 
to take the shot WHILE you are breathing in or out.

In situations where you are exercising (as in summer or winter biathlon,
or running up a hill after disappearing game) the technique is to take 
several fast "hyperventilating" breaths (with no pauses), then take a
normal breath, let it out, line up, squeeze the trigger, continue.

Naturally, in the face of buck fever and real life situations this is
somewhat academic. You have a only a couple of seconds to take the
shot, you are nervous and breathing hard, etc. It is a real luxury to
have a standing shot and the chance to take your time and worry about
this stuff.
From: spf@hoqaa.att.com (Steven P Frysinger)
Subject: Re: Sunday Hunting blue law
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:04:42 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>From article <1992Oct7.094235.2610@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, by kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead):
> I've seen the thread regarding prohibitions on Sunday hunting, and
> how there were some fellows that didn't believe they still existed.
> Believe me, they do,  In Pennsylvania and Ohio, the two states I hunt
> the most, you can't hunt Sundays (there are some variances to this,
> though - In Ohio, I think you can hunt waterfowl on Sundays.
> I've written to the DNR several times trying to get somebody to
> change the law so we can bowhunt on Sunday, but so far no luck.

New Jersey has this law too. And, as a hunter, I'm glad.  

By providing one day a week throughout the year on which non-hunters
can safely use the woods, this takes a lot of anti-hunting pressure
off of us.

Steve

*****************************************

My songs are merely dreams visiting my mind.
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From: jonc@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Jon Cornick)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Colorado Hunt Report
Summary: Poor hunting around Meeker
Keywords: Colorado Meeker Deer
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:58:38 GMT
Organization: Atmos. Science, Colorado State Univ.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 Hello All.  I've just returned from a hunting trip to the Meeker CO
area.  I thought I'd pass along what I saw, so others on this net can
plan ahead.  I checked in at the Chamber of Commerce and was shown
where the public land (BLM) was and how to get there.  Some ranchers
with access to public lands via their private property were charging
$100 to go through their gate.  My party avoided those areas in favor
of general access BLM land.
 We started scouting in the southern portion of Game Managment Unit
(GMU) 11, Colorow Gulch area.  A pipeline company was working the
lands north of Rio Blanco Resevoir, so no game were near that area.
Colorow gulch had only one set of fresh tracks (one to three days
old).  We then set sights on GMU 11 at the north end by the radio
towers, up Greasewood and Yellow Creek.
 We saw only three does, but the ground was littered with dead
carcasses for miles around.  The dead deer were about 2-3 years old.
A large burned out area just west and south of the radio towers was
about as old. We surmised that a large herd population coupled with an
immediate loss of habitat lead to a massive killoff.
 The farmers along the White River and the creeks north of Meeker have
left crops of hay and grass in the feilds.  All of this is on private
land and has attracted a large majority of the local herds, thus tying
up the population into high priced hunting lands.  This also increases
herd size, and if the practice continues, will lead to dependency of
the herd to local farmers.
 Returning home to Ft. Collins, we over-heard several hunters
commenting on how poor the hunting was this year, and how expensive
the local land owners have made the sport.
 
 Jon Cornick, Ft. Collins, CO
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From: jwatts@EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Watts)
Subject: Re: Horse sense
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:45:38 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Several years ago there was an article in Outdoor Life or some such
magazine.  It gave instructions on how to convert your grinder to a
superb knife sharpener.  I did it and have has extremely sharp knives
in our house since.  It only takes a couple of minutes to do and is so
simple that anyone could do it.

In essence what you do is get what is called an arbor wheel for one
side of the grinder.  The grit of the sand paper should be 150 to 180.
An arbor wheel is made of many strips of sandpaper in whatever grit
you want.  Many sandpaper strips are put on the wheel such that when
rotated rotated at high speed they form a fast moving, flexible
surface that you can move the side of knife against that will sharpen
the surface without rapidly chewing through the steel of the blade.
It is very simple works.  If any of you are interested I can go back
through my archives and let you know where to look up/get the article.
The other side of the grinder is a buffing wheel with jewelers rouge
on it.  The whole outfit will cost approximatley $30.  Sure beats the
other methods and is much faster.

Regards,

Jim Watts 
jim.watts@ebay.sun.com

>From jkapson@ad-29.Naitc.Com (John Kapson)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Horse sense
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:42:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.075521.9745@doug.cae.wisc.edu> halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph") writes:
[snip]
>Re: the knife thread I'll add some advice on sharpening. Having
>retired as a diving officer a few years ago I've had my share of
>"sharpeners". The only one that has given me the consistency needed is
>the Lansky.
     
I just got my Lansky sharpening set about a two weeks ago and now, with
little effort, all my knives are razor sharp.  It really works great!

>Just my 2 cents!

And my 2 makes 4.

John Kapson    NRA ILA




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From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:44:39 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075541.9812@doug.cae.wisc.edu> keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
[Moderator's note: Keith did not write the following]
...
>>1)  I'd like some source of signs on heavy enough metal that bullets
>>won't go right through it
...

I have often wondered if signs constructed of a rubber material wouldn't be
more appropriate than metal.  The holes close right in, and shotgun pellets
might even bounce back..

Alan K Biocca


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: Bret.Ketchum@GANDALF.NETWORK.COM
Subject: Misc Grouse stuff
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:44:55 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Matt Rein #3 writes:
> You blew the easy shot when you flushed it.  There are two kinds of grouse
> hunters in this state, those who read too much RS and DA and those who
> have birds in the freezer.

	What little I have read of these guys, they rarely discuss
hunting technique. I don't see how reading/not reading their articles
would have any effect on freezer birds. Seriously, many of the hunters
I have talked with don't shoot ground birds with a shotgun. They may
take them with a rifle but not a shotgun. I don't think it has
anything to do with what they read, simply what they feel constitutes
fair chase.


Joe writes:
> I'm tempted to try Southeast Mn.  I've heard the population there
> doesn't boom and bust as severly as places further north.  I deer hunt
> that area and I saw decent grouse numbers there during deer season
> last year.

	I'll probably get shot down for this post but, my feeling
is that grouse will tend toward areas optimum for their existence
(no earth shattering news here). In years where there is an abundance
of birds, the younger birds will spread out to less optimum areas. When
mature birds of prime area die they are replaced by less mature birds
>from less prime areas. This trend (armchair behavioral BS) means that
some areas will not sustain many/any birds through all population cycles.
	The primary reason for all this noise is that I don't think that
any one part of the state is necessarily more resistant to the cyclic
nature of the grouse population. I think that you can find reasonably
plentiful populations in most parts of the state.
	I grew up hunting around Whitewater State Park and never heard
or experienced any special resistive properties of the grouse in that
area, but would be curious to find out how you do (it may be time to
kick off the yearly road trip).

	Bret


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