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From: mmb@po.CWRU.Edu (Melina M. Barreca)
Subject: Weight Training
Reply-To: mmb@po.CWRU.Edu (Melina M. Barreca)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 01:36:20 GMT




I am just curious about the following.

I have been lifting weights for about a year and a half now, and
as of May, have been lifting 6 times a week.  I really like the
results I've obtained and am looking forward to even more.  Now
here's my question:

If you have put yourself on a 6 day schedule, and then find it almost
impossible to keep it up(schedule, folks, schedule), would doing two
days lifting hurt muscle growth, i.e. lifting both legs and upper body
on the same day.  I know you need to give your muscles time to grow
while you're lifting, but I am running into a problem with my schedule
(as well as the gym's hours) to keep lifting six days a week.  I 
combined two of my workouts Saturday because I couldn't lift Friday
and I felt fine.(It actually felt GREAT).

Any advice/help would be appreciated whether it be posted or e-mailed.

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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Anaerobic exercise and carbo cravings
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:49:07 GMT

Ed suggested that I post a reference regarding my "plausible, but
untested" theory that working out at too high an intensity can be
counterproductive to weight loss, since the body will try to 
replenish the lost glycogen stores (I think we at least agree that 
the harder you work out, the more glycogen you use--the jury is still 
out on the actual percentages).

Anyways, I will try and dig out some stuff when I go home, but here
is what Katahn has to say (T-Factor, p. 222): 

	"But certain forms of exercise, under certain conditions, can also
	increase appetite over its accustomed level.  You recall that
	appetite is, to a large extent, regulated by our glycogen 
	stores.  With a steady, ongoing exercise program to which we have 
	become accustomed, glycogen stores fluctuate within the
	accustomed range together with our appetites, and all is in
	balance.  But we can exceed the usual range and really turn on
	appetite when we make a drastic change in the nature of our
	activity."

Katahn goes on to describe how his appetite after a vigorous weight
training workout reduced him to "near criminal activity" searching
for food an hour or so after the workout.

The point I was "proposing" was not that the glycogen would be stored
with its associated water and cause weight gain (as Harry inferred I
meant), but that, if this "effect" is true,  it is likely that you could 
actually eat more than is needed to replenish the glycogen and then
store the excess as fat.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: jk@SPOCK.RETIX.COM (John Keegan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Weight Gain
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:07:29 GMT


This is my first posting to this group and my question concerns weight
gain. I am currently playing team sports and am quite fit, however I do
wish to gain some weight. 

In the past I've been told different stories about what is good to take
as a supplement to weight training, protein, amino acids etc... In addition
I've found the taking any of these items, causes me to lose my appetite, is
this common ??. Could anyone offer some advice as to what to take, how long
to take for, and what what sort of weight gain could be expected in that
time span.

Thanks in advance,
			John	(jk@spock.retix.com) 

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From: nwillhit@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Nelson Willhite)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Competative powerlifting for women
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:54:38 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Aug31.121244.14433@rchland.ibm.com>,
alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (E. Alter) writes:
> I have a friend who is interested in getting into competative powerlifting.
> Without any serious weight training, she's quite strong (she was in shot-put
in
> high-school track).  Can anyone point me to
> sources for training ideas, rules, techniques, competitions (in Minnesota),
so I
> can get her going on the right track?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> 
> Eric Alter            alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
> IBM Corporation               Rochester, Mn

First of all, there are no GREAT sources of information on powerlifting. 
However, I recommend a subscription to "Powerlifting USA" magazine.  It's 
one of the better sources of information available, although it's not
available at most magazine/book stores.  Powerlifting USA contains training
methods, "Workout of the Month", lifter profiles, results of US (and world)
competitions, advertisements, and lists of upcoming events.  The 
advertisements are good for acquiring powerlifting equipment through
mail-order.  (I can never find powerlifting gear at ANY sporting goods
store here in Atlanta!)  Warning:  Don't expect too much quality from the
magazine in terms of literary value - it often contains typos, misspelled
words, etc.  But, it is color (most other strictly powerlifting magazines
aren't) and the best source of published information available.

Powerlifting USA
P.O. Box 467
Camarillo, CA 93011
Phone: 805-482-2378 (for subscriptions)
Price: $26.95 for 12 monthly issues, $49.95 for 2 years

If at all possible, find someone who competes locally for information
(possibly someone who works out where you do) for tips!  There is only so much
you can learn from a magazine!!!

Good luck!  If you have any other questions, please e-mail.  I'd be
happy to answer any questions!

Nelson Willhite
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Subject: Re: Fat Burner Pills
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:24:15 GMT

aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
> 
> Dan Harkless says:
> 
> >My latest addition
> >(starting this week) is that I'm skipping lunch so that I'll be taking in
> >fewer calories.
> 
> No!!!!! Don't do it!!!!!!

I TOTALLY AGREE - DON'T DO THAT!  That would be the worst thing for you to ever do!

> 
> Eat a virtually fat free lunch if you wish, but don't skip meals.
> I'd even encourage you to eat EXTRA meals, like maybe 5 or 6 total
> in one day... just don't include much fat in them at all.
> 
> Skipping meals makes your body think "gee-- must be a famine. I
> better quit burning fat so quickly so I'll survive longer."
> You'll actually lose weight more slowly if you skip lunch,
> generally speaking.
> 
> Eat when you get hungry: just don't eat much fat. Eat tons of
> complex carbos instead.

Right!  He's absolutely right!

> 
> -- 
> aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  (Dan Dooovall)
> 
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From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:30:40 GMT

>
>Provided you concentrate on turning your knees outwards - particularly when
>doing v-steps you should have no problems - but check with your gym on their
>recommended limits for step anyway.
>
>BTW - I've been stepping for the past year at high levels, with
>propulsions/weights and have experienced no problems.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Loretta...

   Don't turn your knees any way!  ALWAYS keep your knees aligned
   with your feet (i.e. facing the same direction) when doing
   Step or any aerobic exercises.

i			Bonnie
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From: robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Laurie Roberts)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:00:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Jaws wired shut...
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

A few years ago, I had jaw surgery, much like your friend, and had my jaws
wired shut for 8 weeks.  I had quite a bit of weight to lose, as well, tho
the doctor said he didn't want me to lose much weight.  I actually lost about
10 lbs just prior to surgery because I was so nervous!

While I was wired shut they suggested I drink this ENCARE stuff - yuck!  I
refused.  Instead I drank Carnation instant breakfast, juices and my very
favorite thing, I discovered about 2 weeks before the wires were cut - very
liquified mashed potatoes (instant kind) - that was about the only thing that
gave me a full feeling - the rest of the time you are just plain hungry, but
you get used to it.  Mine were wired very tight - couldn't even get a grain of
rice in.  Actually the most frustrating thing was not being able to talk!
You never realize how much you'd miss the phone when no one can understand you!
Also, people tend to talk real loud to you, even when you can hear just fine!

Tell your friend that even after the wires are cut it will be weeks, even
months before she will be able to eat anything decent.  I had visions of my
first meal - pizza, but much to my dismay, I couldn't open my mouth at all!
The only thing I managed was to shove a very small amount of scrambled egg in
& couldn't chew at all for quite some time (the muscles atrophy).  It was 2
weeks before I could open my mouth wide enough to get a small toothbrush
in to brush the insides of my teeth.  (That's another awful thing about this!
I swished mouthwash a lot!).

I lost quite a lot of weight - about 40 lbs in all, and I'm happy to say, kept
it off!  It really puts food into perspective when your meal only lasts 20 sec.
to drink it.  You get in touch with food being to nourish your body - it's not
too fun liquified, and you have tons of time to do other things since mealtime
is over in under a minute.

Good luck to your friend.  If she needs more advice I'd be happy to talk to
her.

Regards,
Laurie

P.S.  I tried to email to you directly but it kept bouncing....

_______________________________________________________________________________
   Laurie Roberts at Hewlett-Packard San Jose -  robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com
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                 Que voulez-vous dire avec ce sourire?

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Fat Burner Pills
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.122415.7915@scott.skidmore.edu> kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss) writes:
>aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:
>> 
>> Dan Harkless says:
>> 
>> >My latest addition
>> >(starting this week) is that I'm skipping lunch so that I'll be taking in
>> >fewer calories.
>> 
>> No!!!!! Don't do it!!!!!!
>
>I TOTALLY AGREE - DON'T DO THAT!  That would be the worst thing for you to ever do!
>
>> 
>> Eat a virtually fat free lunch if you wish, but don't skip meals.
>> I'd even encourage you to eat EXTRA meals, like maybe 5 or 6 total
>> in one day... just don't include much fat in them at all.
>> 
>> Skipping meals makes your body think "gee-- must be a famine. I
>> better quit burning fat so quickly so I'll survive longer."
>> You'll actually lose weight more slowly if you skip lunch,
>> generally speaking.
>> 
>> Eat when you get hungry: just don't eat much fat. Eat tons of
>> complex carbos instead.
>
>Right!  He's absolutely right!

I tend to agree, but I'm also interested in seeing evidence,
statistical or anecdotal, and specific recommendations, such
as caloric percentages and totals to be taken in on these lunches
and breakfasts, for that matter.

I'm also interested in what happens if you just don't get hungry.
For instance, if someone has my particular appetite.  If I'm
involved in a task or some interesting activity, I just don't
think about food, nor do I seem to feel any fatigue or get
those "hunger pangs" or "hunger headaches" people talk about.
Could this be a problem?  I'm not thin, so does this become
more of a problem for thinner folks?

Comments?

GMS
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: DEFEND
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:24:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep3.172827.4786@athena.mit.edu> poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:

>you can always just go in for dialysis......

Claude (Poo) isn't joking.  This is actually a very feasible solution.

							-Adam

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From: odell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bernard O'Dell)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Exercise-Schwinn Aero Dyne-
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:20:10 GMT
Expires: 11 Sep 92 04:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: odell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bernard O'Dell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Had quadruple bypass surgery on 6 Jul 92-

Cardioligist recommends exercise at least three times a week
for a period of not less than 30 minutes each time.

I borrowed a Schwinn Aero-Dyne exercisor and really don't know too much
about it.

I want to start out slow until the chest heals completely-
I tried twice for 6 minutes, and then yesterday I did 10 minutes-
The chest started hurting, so I will wait a few more days.

My question is addressed to any Schwinn Aero-Dyne knowledgeable
person that might have some recommendations as to what sort of a
an exercise program I might try, and see how it goes.

Any help would be appreciated--
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush  Bored Grad Student)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss (Was: Decent Pace for Fat People?)
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:42:08 PDT

In article <1992Aug31.193722.20913@CS.ORST.EDU> reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:
>
>  LSD is relative.  If you're not in particularly good shape, or over-
>  weight, three miles is a long distance.  I once worked with a woman who
>  was so overweight that just raising her heels off the ground repetitively
>  got her pulse up to 85percent!
>
>  She lost >100 pounds in a year.
>
>>>
>>>interval training.
>>>
>>>So if you really want CV improvement, then 1/4 mile intervals may not be
>>>a bad idea.  However, I've also read (in an old, say 70s, book by
>>>Dr. Joan Ullyot, a marathoner) that it is not a good idea to do intervals
>>>until you've built up an endurance base.
>>>
>i
>  Intervals without a GOOD base will lead to shin splints, sore ankles
>  and muscle injuries.  It's also anaerobic work and designed to build
>  speed and strength.l
>
>>your diet to about 20/55/25 percent protein/carbo/fat. Gradually walk/run three
>>time/week until you can comfortably travel 3 miles. Also, include weight
>
>
>  The American Cancer Institute recommends no more than 15 percent fat.
>  Most of us could eliminate it altogether adn we'd still get more than
>  we need just by eating regularly.  That presumes most of us still eat
>  dead animals and store bought bread.  Read the labels, fat's all over 

we'd probably get in some sort of trouble if we ate live animals.


>  the place!t


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From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Re: MUSCLE by Samuel Fussell
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:21:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.122236.333@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>If anyone is interested, there is a good book that just came out in paperback
>called Muscle by Samuel Fussell.  
>It is about a guy that goes from on Oxford University graduate to a steroid
>using competitive bodybuilder/powerlifter.  He describes how his mentality and
>his entire self changed due to the use of steroids and bodybuilding.
>I would highly recommend it.
>
>-Rob

  The full title is Muscle: Confessions of an Unlikely Body Builder

and it is an excellent book, well written with much insight and
a sense of humor.  For me, it was also a  peek into "that world."

		Bonnie
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From: max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler)
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:30:33 GMT

aw@sei.cmu.edu (Anne Wulffraat) writes:


>Step aerobics is a great workout, and if done properly, it should not
>effect your joints in anyway. However, doing it propoerly takes
>concentration and effort, and since the body naturally tries to cheat, 
>you can't slack off.

>The main causes of joint/knee problems resulting from step are:

>1. Too many risers under your bench. We all think more is better, but it's

I once had some problems (shin splints) caused by an instructor who emphasized
a routine with a lot of hopping and other fast jerky motions.  She had a
reputation for this...
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From: c8908461@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Robert Lang)
Subject: Re: Fat Burner Pills
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:33:53 GMT

loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

>>>L-Carnitine              500 mg >DL-Methionine            300 mg

Hmmm...see below !

>Not true.  I have had great success with liquid L-Carnitine.  It is well known
>that L-Carnitine helps to mobilize fat so that it can be used up better in 
>aerobic work.

I was told by a friend....I think she calls herself a nutritionalist or
a herbalist....you know, she mucks about with various "magic potions"....oh,
she's qualified in the area, but I still call it "mucking" about.

Anyway, she said that L-Carnitine got the liver working efficiently so that
it had two effects...got poisons from your blood stream (which she says
is good after a lot of alcohol) and transferred fats into areas so that
they can be burned efficiently by aerobic exercise.

I haven't tried any of the recommended mobilisers yet, but was thinking
of doing it when I wanted to get rid of more body fat in my training.

Just rumours, anyway, I can't testify to any of what I just said !

Robert.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU ()
Subject: Re: Muscle by S. Fussell
Originator: ss8f@csissun5.ee.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:37:18 GMT

Hi,
	Where can I get that book? At a regular bookstore? Who's the
	publisher? Any info. will be appreciated.

	Thanks,
	Sanjay (ss8f@virginia.edu)

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:00:27 GMT

In article <135073@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:
>poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>
>>my, what a lofty signature, don.   not bad for someone who is also rumored
>>to play BINGO!
>>
>>ZING!
>>
>>poo
>
>Hey, don't knock it. Bingo has been shown to be a NATURAL ANABOLIC ACTIVATOR!!
>Recent studies show that people who sit around playing Bingo all day can gain
>as much as 50 POUNDS!!!
>
>Remember: Bingo = Bodybuilder's Instinctive Natural Growth Optimizer !!!!
>
>[for the humour-impaired: ;-) ;-) ;-)]
>[lofty signature follows...]
>--
> Dr. Donald W. Roberts
>   University of California                                      Physicist
>   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory         Recreational Bodybuilder
>   dwr@llnl.gov                                           Renaissance Dude
>                                                              Bingo Player

don,

well, first of all, i'm glad to see that you've augmented your once lofty
signature to reflect the REAL you!!  :)

and about the fifty pounds you have gained -- how unfortnate that it's all
in your knees and knuckles.  that's not the kind of symmetry that'll win
you the mr. america, i'm afraid.  pauvre, pauvre don.  :)  

poobear
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sshankar@myria.cs.umn.edu (Subash Shankar)
Subject: Re: Jaws wired shut...
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:24:45 GMT

Just another differing datapoint from my experiences 3 years back:

In article <1992Aug26.173052.10382@bnr.ca> mwnorman@bcarh929bnr.ca (Michael Norman) writes:

>The first few days are very difficult - the pain is pretty
>bad (she was on liquid codeine which has its own problems,
>constipation). 

I had no pain whatsoever, and didn't even have to touch the prescribed
pain-reliever.  It felt uncomfortable, but only because you're not
used to having your jaws clamped stuff.  The muscles atrophe though,
so you'll feel really strange (and be unable to eat or talk without
difficulty) right after the wires come off.

>In the first week, Joanne lost 12 pounds.  After another week, 
>she was down 16 and the doctors were worried.  

I had 2 operations due to complications in the first one.  I lost 5
pounds during the 1st operation, 4 pounds during the second, and about
3 pounds between the operations.  I actually started gaining a pound
or two after the second operation.   I gained about 10 pounds during
the 2 weeks after the wires came off, so I didn't lose any net weight.
--
Subash Shankar
sshankar@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: the BAKING of pita bread: this is a cooking question
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:12:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.040352.4473@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Katopis) writes:
>
>sorry, i could not find an active food newsgroup
>
>how does the "pocket" in a pita bread form, rather than the
>whole dough cooking itself into a solid bread disc?

The same way crust can be torn away from regular bread.  Crust
is denser than the bread inside, and therefore pita is largely
dense crust with a thin area of less dense bread that can be
more easily separated to form the "pocket".

Bread discs, technically, are what comprise the spines of
gingerbread men, which is why very few post powerlifting
articles here.

GMS