HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:24:51 GMT
Reply-To: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>Seems to me that all LGB employers in Colorado should
>dismiss their heterosexual employees forthwith.
Unfortunately, Rod, the measure is quite specific.  

   "[neither]...homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation...
    shall...entitle any person or class of persons to have...
    any...claim of discrimination."

I suppose that one could read that to say that hets have yet
another privilage to flaunt...  They can claim discrimination
on the basis of sexual orientation.

Beauty.

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   The opinions expressed here certainly don't represent those of my
   employer...but I'm working on it.
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:16:56 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <CORWIN+.92Nov10115450@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>, corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.055547.1907@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
#    #Professional, world-class programs in the performing arts --
#    #and Carnegie Mellon's Drama Department is both -- have to take
#    #their student actors' "personal mannerisms" into consideration.
#    #It is a brute fact of life.  
# 
#    Gad, shouldn't these students try "acting"?  I mean, not every role
#    is Queenie in _Fortune and Men's Eyes_.
# 
# Gee Steve, another reason that Scanlan's article stated for kicking
# students out (this time women students) was that they were too
# overweight.  Do you think that a person's weight is a reason to
# discriminate against them?  Do you think that "overweight" people
# should try "acting" thin?
# 
# As Scanlan says in his article, "...many of the euphemisms are the
# same: "not grounded", "light", "soft".  Sometimes, euphemisms are
# skipped altogether.  Said one teacher, still on staff at CMU, to a
# gay student after a recent scene. "You're playing a young man, not a
# young girl."  And that is homophobia, for what Anthony McKay (prof at
# CMU) and Mel Shapiro (past chair of Drama, now at UCLA) don't
# understand it's not like a New York accent: those "mannerisms" and
# "affectations" are connected to the very essence of who someone is.

Hey, wait a minute!  I thought it was homophobia to claim that
homosexuals act differently from straights!  Now it's homophobia
to tell a gay man to stop acting like a stereotyped homosexual?

By the way, acting like "a young girl" is not at all a surprising
response from someone who was forced into a "female" role by a
molester.

# Scott Safier                                   corwin+@cmu.edu
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:10:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov13.151002.9454
Organization: insert anything here

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>madonna's book is, well, kinda pedestrian.  the only curious bits
>about it are its packaging and cover.

	Funny, you can say that to describe the book or Madonna herself.

	And who the $#%)(%$ is "Marky MArk" other than
some guy who was in the paper the other day being arrested?
(I think assault...)

	I suppose he is 1992's Shaun Cassidy/Bobby Sherman/John Travolta/etc.?

BBC
(theonly trends I like are in data)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Re: The New Yorker magazine supports Colorado!
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:53:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.195725.20753@netcom.com>
jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
 
>In article <1992Nov07.055938.26636@boy.com> robert@boy.com (Robert A. Swirsky) writes:
>>The _New Yorker_ magazine, with (I suspect) a large gay readership,
>>supports Colorado by using a 'fulfillment service' in Boulder to
>>process subscriptions.
>>
Dozens of national magazines use that fulfillment service in Boulder. I'll
bet if you checked the masthead of your magazine subscriptions you'd get
quite a shock. I'm drafting a letter to Rolling Stone right now. (I prob-
ably won't bother with _Sassy_, though. : ) )
 
--Tracey M.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: colorado springs
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 01:35:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.174511.4127@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
>>Last night, CNN Headline News reported that a student in Colorado Springs
>>(it didn't say what grade level but it definitely didn't sound like college)
>>was sent home to change his shirt after arriving for school in a Penguin
>>(from Batman Returns) t-shirt. It seems that the principal said that the 
>>shirt was unacceptable because it is "satanic." 
>>
>>Aparently the same student had been sent home to change his shirt before.
>>On the previous occasion, his offense was wearing short sleeves.
>>
>>The anchorperson was indredulous.
>
>Stories like this make *my* hair matty too :-)
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh, watch that hair.  In Bastrop, near Austin, a kid was quarantined
because he had a (insert favorite shocking phrase here) a pony tail.
This went to court, etc.  The parents were furious that the school would
put their son through this (he was forced to sit apart from the rest of
his class, etc.).  Remember folks - the Christian Coalition has _started_
with our school boards.  This kind of bs is NOT going to end any time soon.

>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:59:52 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov12.023819.2789@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

|
|  People commit suicide for all sorts of reasons, some "honorable", some not, 
|  some that can be seen as "martyrdom", most not. This particular act is hard-
|  ly what I would expect from an individual disappointed at the passage of #2.
|  To imply, as the article does, and as the post attempts to imply, that #2
|  was somehow responsible for this man's death is emotional manipulation at
|  its worst. Quite frankly, I'm irritated and ashamed that his personal trag-
|  edy can be so cavalierly exploited for potential political gain. Aren't 
|  there better arguments available besides this one? It's cheap and tawdry,
|  and hardly respectful of the man.
|

THANK YOU for bringing me back to reality!  Now, normally I am somewhat (some
would say more) cynical, but I found myself buying into Tom's comments.

WHOA!  

Gary states it well.  To imply that this stranger died for reasons which we
can explain is clearly in the basest of taste, and provides absolutely no
advancement for us.  I DO recognize its ability to mobilize many groups of 
activists, who (for many lesbians and gay men) have been a liability for
a long time.


--
tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                               __
"Whoever said 'getting there is half the fun'                           \/
    has never ridden in a class 8 probe!" - K'Ehleyr
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Genetic oversimplification of homosexuality.
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:12:43 GMT

Newsgroups line shortened to soc.motss only.


In article <Bx7u49.4Gq@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Rea) writes:
>Bill Rea (cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
>> 
>> Actually just because an animal engages in homosexual sex doesn't mean
>> its a homosexual. We used to raise bulls on the farm and they were always
>> fingering each others rears, but I suspect that most of them would have
>> preferred a cow if given half a chance. 
>
>It has been pointed out that the euphemism `finger' for the penis is not
>obvious. For those who didn't understand the `fingering' that the bulls
>were doing, they were engaging in homosexual activities. 


Ah, I see, so what you are saying is that they were having fun;
dressing as dairy cows, or maybe strapping barrbed wire over
their large hairy chests and trying to look menacing.  Fresh cut
flowers were being arranged to give a more springy look to the
place, while swatches of grass were being chosen to make their
pasture look better than the one on the other side of the hill.
Several cows were discussing politics, the futility of living
in a bull-centric (Oh boy is *that* loaded) society, and
whether or not they should eat the bugs that crawl on the grass.
A couple strange ones are trying to act like nothing is different
about them while giving big 'ol cow eyes at each other.  An even
larger group is having fun 'fingering' whichever attractive bull
or cow that comes their way. 

"homosexual activities?"  You mean like brushing your teeth in
the morning?  A bit of toast and butter for breakfast?  Patting
the dog/cat/gerbil on the head before going to work?  An occasional
mustache ride? 


:)

Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:57:57 PST

In article <1dcj77INNhq3@mizar.usc.edu>, on 5 Nov 1992 17:53:43 -0800,
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>
>In article <1992Nov6.001702.8730@netcom.com>
>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>> And on civil liberties, it's more or less a wash between the two
>> parties, as always.
>
>That is egregiously false.  Which Republican Party are
>you referring to that comes remotely close to the Democratic
>Party with regard to civil liberties?
>
I think it's fairly accurate to state that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are great champions of civil liberties *in general*. It may appear differently to some gay activists because of the differences between the two parties on gay rights
issues and abortion, but this is largely due to the takeover of the Republican Party by religious fundamentalists.

Take for example the "War on Drugs". It is at least as fundamental a
human right for an individual to decide what to ingest or with what to
self-medicate as it is with whom to have sex. Yet the key champions
among the drug warriors are by and large mainstream Democrats (like
Rangell of New York) or even liberals like Waxman, Dingell, Kennedy, and
Metzenbaum, who have been the prime movers in allowing the FDA to treat
vitamin and food supplements as drugs, and who have sanctioned Gestapo-
like raids on the offices of doctors who prescribe vitamins which do not
meet the FDA's approval.

        =Jack=
---

Jack B. Newsbaum             You have rights antecedent to all earthly
Library Information Systems  governments; rights that cannot be
University Research Library  repealed or restrained by human law.
ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu               - John Adams
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: homophobia on the net - rec.arts.movies
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:08:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <Nov.10.15.07.43.1992.22084@math.rutgers.edu>,
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) wrote:

> For some stupid(?) reason I feel the need to defend this
> movie because it was attacked for being gay oriented and not just a
> bad movie.
> 
> I don't know...Does anyone have any comments regarding this?

Defend it if you must, but not from soc.motss.  A bad movie is a 
bad movie.  You won't get anywhere on that front.  And as to
the homophobia, you are more than likely simply going to stir
up another "Am, too/Am not" cross-post-bitch-fest.

As the sage might have said:  dog shit don't smell that bad, left
undisturbed.

*X*
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Heterosexuals rasing children(question)
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:49:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov10.024921.29668
Distribution: na
Organization: insert anything here

king@meaddata.com (Mike King) writes:

	[No not this but a recreation....  Mike read this VERY carefully...
maybe a clue will pop in... OK -- Also next time read the FAQ first.
It's chick FULL of CLUES.......  Oooh baby --- BBC]

>I consider myself pretty open minded.  I have known many heterosexuals
>and have never had a problem.  My motto is pretty much live and let
>live.  But I'm a little concerned about the notion of heterosexuals
>raising children(i.e. differently gender parents).  I was wondering if
>somebody could provide me with information that could remove my concerns.

>Do heterosexual relationships have the long-term stability necessary to
>raise children?

	After all most strayt marriages end in divorce.
What kind of environment is that to bring up a kid?

>Are "children" of heterosexual parents ostrisized by the other children?
>If so, how do the parents deal with it?

	Isn't that the problem of the other kids' parents?  Hmmmm?

>Do the "children" grow up normal?  And no, by normal I don't mean
>heterosexual.  In other words, do they have any emotional problems or
>problems with relationships?

>No joke, these are sincere questions.  I was hoping somebody/anybody
>could give me some answers to them.  Thanks.

	There are more answers here than meets the eye.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:02:20 GMT

Hi,
As to the two questions posed so far...

LBGO = Lesbian, Bisexual, Gay, Other
GOP  = Grand Ole Party  (and I've heard Good Ole Party, also)

Hope it helps, 
Patrick                                      /  
                      /          /          /        
     __      __    __/_  _          __     /         
    /  \    /  \    /   / \    /   /  \   / \        "If you're not having
   /   /   /   /   /   /  /   /   /      /\_/         fun, you're doing some-
  /\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/   \__/\__/\___/ /   \__/      thing wrong." -Patrick
 /
/           "Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado" 
                                       -Melinda Shore(shore@tc.cornell.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD)
Subject: Travesty or Transvestite
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:55:32 GMT


michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
>
>As I sit here at work this morning, I'm trying to sort through my
>feelings about the travesty in Colorado.
>
                    ^^^^^^^^
In french, travesti is transvestite.  I assume in this context it is 
synonym of tragedy.  Could anyone send me a better traduction?

Sorry for the interuption

Thanks

A confused frenchmen who can't find his ROBERT COLLINS (or Webster for that
matter)
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Myths (was: Re: Gender Parity)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:45:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.150238.8188@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com 
(Steven Levine) writes:
>	[ a fine article about Kinsey's statistics re: male homosexuality
>	  and lesbianism. ]

Keep in mind, too, that Kinsey gathered his statistics on the 
rates of male homosexuality and lesbianism in the late 1940s.
A lot has changed for women since then. 

Speaking in relative terms, one of the primary changes has been that
women are *allowed* to have a sexuality these days.  Books
about women's sexuality like Nancy Friday's and Lonnie Barbach's --
not to mention Pat Califia's! -- would have been unthinkable only 
thirty years ago (women don't think of such things, remember?). 
It would not be surprising to me to find that few women would be 
able to perceive sexual possibilities with other women when they 
couldn't even begin to perceive themselves as sexual beings, period,
owing to prevailing cultural winds.

Another difference has to do not with culture, but economics. I've
just finished Lillian Faderman's excellent social history of lesbianism
in the 20th century U.S., _Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers_, and she 
has the convincing thesis that it was large scale economic changes that
made the emergence of a lesbian community possible. Although lesbian
desires have probably always existed, it was the relatively recent 
development of mass economic opportunities for women that made has
made it possible for them to exist outside of heterosexual marriage,
and thus to develop lesbian communities and cultures.

One of many good things that may come about as a result of George
Herbert Walker Bush's departure from the White House is that that
previously-scuttled HHS study on human sexuality may be revived,
and we can all work with some more up-to-date data on sexual behavior.
I'll bet some of the results will be very surprising.

-- 
				||| Polly Powledge
				||| Internet: P.S.Powledge@ATT.COM
				||| Uucp:     att!hrmso!psp
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Nevada was: (Re: Colorado)
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:05:56 GMT

In article <BxDrA5.66q@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>, jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs) writes:
>I'd like to think this doesn't speak for the whole state, but
>two weeks ago as I was driving from Lake Tahoe to Reno I saw
>the following bumper sticker on a pickup truck with Nevada tags
>in Carson City:
>
>Burn Fags, not Flags
>
>It certainly raised a lot of anger and some fear within me.  I was
>torn between ramming the guy with the Avis rental car and just getting
>the hell out of town safely.  He was off in another direction before
>I could really figure out what I was feeling.  It left a rather bad
>impression about Carson City for me.


There seem to be Two Nevadas (maybe even Three...) The state
has two main cities: Las Vegas and Reno.  Almost 95% of the
population live in these two cities.  In fact, of all the
counties, only Washoe (Reno) and Clark (LV) have more than
100,000 people in them.  The state capital is Carson City,
a very small, tiny town not too far from Reno.  It's quite
old, predating most towns in California.  Northern Nevada
is still very rural, conservative, and biggoted, just like
most other farming and ranching communities.  Reno has a
strange queer community, populated mostly by college students
going to the University of Nevada.  I found the bar scene to
be Disco/Drag only, with no real space for Wimin, Leather,
or CW.  Reno is quite small, too.  In comparison, Las Vegas
is a large metropolis without the rural culture of Reno.  A
great number of our citizens come from southern California.
Being a SoCal native, I find the culture here familiar, not
the same, but close.  Everywhere you go you find queerfolk.
The longest running show in town is Boylesque with Kenny Kerr,
and it draws straight audiences.  La Cage, another drag review,
is also popular with Ma and Pa Tourist.  The biggest names in
town, Ziegfried (sp) and Roy, the magicians, live together,
in public view.  On the bad side, we have skinheads, gangs,
a metro police force that wont hire queers, and a strong
Mormon presence.  However, I think Vegas is a pretty good
place to be if you're queer.  And, as I've been saying in
previous postings, our small population makes every new
queer vote a stronger one.  My vote is 20 times stonger
in Nevada than it is in California.


Shawn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: craigp@dolphin.sps.mot.com (Craig Petty)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Keywords: hate activism politics election christian
Organization: None
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:28:48 GMT

Well, I just called Invesco Financial Funds and closed all of my mutual fund
accounts with them.  I did specify why. It did not generate any response
from the operator.

This is the company that offers the Industrial Income fund, which has
recieved extremely positive press the past year in various money magazines.

Someone also mentioned that Janus is based in Co, so I'll be calling them
next to cancel.

Take care friends



Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:09:59 GMT

In article <BxB6Fq.7C4@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>Jake Coughlin (jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams):
>> >>>>What about Jack Kemp?
>> >>Was he finally outed for real?
>> >
>> > I meant that if he does run for Prez in '96 he will
>> > undoubtedly be outed.
>> 
>> darling, if he does run for Prez in '96, he will
>> undoubtedly get married.
>> -- 
>Maybe it'll be hard for him to find a bride after he's
>been thoroughly outed??  

I thought he's already married -- has been for some time.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:30:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.152109.15101@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.195743.670@Princeton.EDU> sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) writes:
>>
>>Yes, my favorite Morgan Fairchild quote is something along the
>>lines of, "What happens if the virus goes airborne?"  She uttered
>>this beaut in a fundie anti-gay propaganda video a few years back
>>(referring to HIV, of course).
>
>If I remember correctly, she played a kind of devil's advocate on that show,
>asking questions about AIDS that a lot of uninformed and frightened people
>were asking. The answers that followed the questions (Can I get AIDS from 
>shaking hands? Can I get infected from swimming in a public pool?) and her
>reactions didn't seem to me to point to "fundie anti-gay propaganda." 

Then you obviously saw a different video than I did.  The video I'm
referring to was a hate-filled compendium of anti-gay scare tactics
that right-wing organizations were showing, among other places, on
college campuses in the late 80s.  It's possible that the makers of
the video I saw took a clip of Morgan Fairchild out of context from
some other, informational video.  Given the other horrible things they
did in the video I saw, I wouldn't put it past them.
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CO2 and the military ban
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:22:34 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <thaaang.721551625@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> If Clinton lifts the ban, will CO2 make it unconstitutional
> in the state of Colorado for the ban to be lifted?

  I doubt it. I can't see how the two are even remotely related.
A proactive anti-discrimination law (such as AB2601) could conceivably
be used as a challenge to the military ban in Ca. but I doubt that
angle would get very far -- sovereign immunity is the first thing
that pops to mind.
-- 

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