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From: hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless)
Subject: Re: good novels about gay lifestyle
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:22:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.130934.17726@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>In article <By6EMt.K5D@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> 
>msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris) writes:
>
>>                                   Monday, the 23rd of November, 1992
>>
>>Francis chides Marko for hinting at details to come whilst he himself is
>>
>>                               about to dive into a knish which has been
>>  baptised with some of Lee & Perrin's finest Worcestershire Sauce.
>>
>>Is this one of his anti-sexual personae?
>
>Ahem.  Ask a Yiddish speaker, which precious (and eminently suitable
>for diving) part of female anatomy is affectionately euphemized by the
>term "knish".  Now, Worcestershire Sauce... Fido, you kinky cur!
>
>>              Mike Morris
>>      (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
>
>cordially,
>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
________________________________________________________________________
               ****NEWSFLASH FROM THE SPIRIT WORLD****

Spirit Guide Informs Novice RABreader that M. Zeleny has been possessed by
the spirit of recently deceased Isaac Asimov.  "I just felt I had not
fully explored all the possibilities in being a dirty old man," snickered
the noveau shade to spirit guide, Irene Higginbotham (19th century
housewife and Transcendental poet turned pirate).  Continued Asimov, "The
boy shows definite possibilities; but I think he has already reached his
peak, so I'm here now to lead him to new depths of depravity.  We don't
want the boy should fall off from the flesh because he doesn't pace
himself." Higginbotham says that a cold shower and a mother's prayers
might exorcise this diabolical infestation. 
_________________________________________________________________________
What happened?  Why am I so groggy?  I was going to suggest some more
books for folks interested in gay and Lesbian issues.  I forgot about
_Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe_, by Fanny Flagg, for
another endearing pair, circa 1930's.  Also, does anyone have a comment
about E.M. Forster's _Maurice_?  I haven't read the book in 15 years.  I
love Forster's writing.  I more recently read a collection of his short
pieces, which raised some questions about his perceptions about love
between the classes.  His assumptions seemed naive. 

Is anyone compiling a list of books suggested? 

Mary Loveless
____________________________________________________________________________
These self-righteous opinions are all my very own.

"I wonder if I'd look good in *Madonna's* lingerie."  Zippy the Pinhead.
____________________________________________________________________________

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From: speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:11:15 MST
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <1992Nov20.231625.21385@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

>To me, the exceptional thing about the book is that Madonna could get away
>with it. What other star of stage, screen, or music could have pulled this
>off without damaging his or her career?

Prince.

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:04:28 GMT

In article <13289@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <92Nov18.130643edt.112@smoke.cs.toronto.edu>, gara@cs.toronto.edu
 (Gara Pruesse) writes:
>> In article <1dtpv5INNgcg@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu
 (Francis Muir) writes:
>> >Ken Warkentyne writes:
># #	laughter is impossible only in heaven or in hell.
># #In fact, Bergson said "Heaven, Hell or Canada".
># #
># #							Fido
># 
># Is this supposed to be funny?

You may have missed what I took to be a subtle joke; the post is from Canada.
>
>It might be funny if you've never visited Canada, and think it's
>a vast frozen wasteland.
>
>Then again, I think the aphorism: "The choice is very simple: life,
>death, or Los Angeles," is funny because I am an L.A. refugee.
>
>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>We could say that Congress spends money like drunken sailors.  But that would
>be unfair -- to the sailors.  They, at least, are spending their own money.

Erik Timmerman

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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Nothing to do with: Accuracy in autobiography (was: GENIUS: Richard Feynman)
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:19:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.051806.24442@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
|> 
|> On this topic, can the following variation (or something similar) be attributed
|> to any person, real or fictional?
|> 
|>  "If I have seen farther than others, it's because I'm surrounded by midgets." 
|> 
|> It's something I would love to have made up, but I feel it's more likely that I
|> read it somewhere.
 
 There's a somewhat similar variation lodged in my own brain:
 
 "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because there are midgets 
  standing on my shoulders."
------------------------------------------------------------------
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 ___/  | Jim Kasprzak, computer operator @ RPI, Troy, NY, USA
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     \_| Pilsener Urquell#to drink cheap beer#Pete's Wicked Ale
      ====  e-mail: kasprj@rpi.edu or kasprzak@mts.rpi.edu 
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:20243 soc.culture.soviet:9993 sci.math:15114
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.soviet,sci.math
Subject: Lumpen-Intellectuals, Integers, and the Transfinite (was re: Any mentiono of Gombrowicz?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:18:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov17.111809.17530
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1eask3INNm4i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col) writes:

>I've been following the dueling Russians 

Make it the duelling (ban)Jews, -- the significance of this point will be
clear to anyone familiar with Bell's waggish account of the rivalry
between Cantor and Kronecker.  (Naturally, the other Misha is all the more
Jewish for his insistent and recurring claims that he doesn't *look* like
one!)  Though I disclaim his religious affiliation, as a fanatical
Platonist I take great pleasure in arguing for the transcendental on
Cantor's side.  With luck, my esteemed questioner will start spouting
profound claims about the divine primality of the integers and mere
facticity, in the etymological sense, of everything else, any minute now.

So what about them inaccessible cardinals?

>					  in their dispute over Erofeev, and 
>they've mentioned everybody from Apuleius to Zamyatin in the
>course of it.  One name I did not find, however, was Gombrowicz. Might there
>be any similarity of outlook between him and Erofeev? 

Probably so, but that's all it is.  There are numerous sound historical
reasons for the remarkable popularity of Rabelais and Pascal among the
Russian lumpen-intellectuals of the late Sixties.  Think of Bakhtin,
already mentioned by both sides in the exchange, and Averintsev (mentioned
in the Rozanov essay), far less known in the West, but no less important
as an exemplary Soviet intellectual.  Of course, the sort of syncretic
transcendental existentialism associated with Lev Shestov (who, in virtue
of the enduring popularity of his books, is directly responsible for
financing the loss of my citizenship) is by far the strongest identifiable
influence on Erofeev.

As for the purely mathematical evidence of the benign and munificent
transcendental influence in human lives, consider the following snappy
dialogue:

"Mathematics belongs to man, not to God.  We are not interested in
properties of the positive integers that have no descriptive meaning for
finite man.  When a man proves a positive integer to exist, he should show
how to find it.  If God has mathematics of his own that needs to be done,
let him do it himself."  -- Errett Bishop

"Cancer!"  -- God

>J. Del Col
>-- 
>Jeff Del Col      *   DECONSTRUCTION--- the critical method invented      
>A-B College       *                      by Procrustes  
>Philippi, WV      *                             
>                  *         

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."
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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Madonna's new book
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:00:43 GMT

In article <1e8kelINNpfc@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>Jim Kasprzak writes:
>
>	In recent years I've encountered a growing contingent who 
>	insist that the feminine equivalent of "balls" should be "eggs".
>
>Really? Since young women carry about 400 of the little rascals around
>with them in one stage or another (my ObGyn knowledge is pretty rusty),
>it would seem that "eggs" would not be appropriate. To confuse things
>a bit, in slang Spanish "balls" are called "uovos", eggs.
>
>							Fido
>							who likes 'em
>							over easy

Then what are them huevos rancheros thangs I been eatin' for years?

I once had a lady friend who kept me in line by occasionally threatening
to kick me in the peaches.  I've always been fond of the usage (as I was
of the lady), but my attempts to bring the phrase "he's gotta lotta
peaches," into everyday language have failed.

Erik Timmerman
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: good novels about gay lifestyle
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:17:17 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Marko Amnell writes:

	Leroy writes:

		I'd try "The Swimming Pool Library," by Hollinghurst. 
		He's "a writer," rather than a "gay writer" -- I tend 
		to find most "gay writing" to be the postmodern equivalent 
		of the airport novel: trashy *and* pretentious. I'm sure 
		it's the same for most genres.

Oh, I dunno. I find it deeply important to find out whether an author
is Chinese or not.

	Let me second this recommendation.  Alan Hollinghurst is a 
	splendid writer, crisp, erudite and with a wonderful mastery 
	of architectural and historical detail.  He is currently 
	deputy editor of the Times Literary Supplement.  

However much one may deplore the demise of THE TIMES, and that dreadful
Baliol man Rees-Mogg has a lot to answer for here, I would like to put
in a plug for the three weekly offshoots of THE TIMES, which are the LIT
SUP and the two ED SUPs. What chiefly distinguishes them, of course, is 
that you don't have to buy a whole, gruesome Sunday paper to read wotswot
in Literature, Education & Higher Education. The TIMES LIT SUP has a
copycat in New York, but it seems a pretty feeble sort of thing.

	[here beginneth some introspective stuff from the Pflying Pfinn]

	something of a heterosexual variation of William Bechwith's, 
	the "young gay aristocrat who leads a life of privilege and 
	promiscuity".  Now, what does that say about my `deep psyche'?

Marko, old darling, we await with baited breath your own answer to this 
fascinating question. Me, I'm about to dive into a knish which has been
baptised with some of Lee & Perrin's finest Worcestershire Sauce. This
is the way to begin a day.

							Fido

>Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Clerihewing (was: maddona's new book?)
Date: 14 Nov 92 18:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: lnh@physics.arizona.edu
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad) writes a clerihew:
>
> 	Vikram Seth
> 	Wrote "The Golden Gate"
> 	A novel in sonnet verse
> 	On West Coast Boomers.
> 
> (aabb, first line a name. Yes, Virginia, that's how Seth should be 
> pronounced.)

The second couplet isn't, and they aren't sonnets.

	the everyone's critic Mr. E-----
--

LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \  For love all love of other sights controls,
GEnie: L.HAMMER2           \ And makes one little room an everywhere -- Donne
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Balls etc. (was Madonna's new book)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 NOV 92 19:43:47 GMT


kasprj@jec322.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) answers my question
re: the monosyllabic WWII general:

> The way I heard the story, it was General Anthony McAuliffe of the 
>101st Airborne. He recieved a rather succinct note from a German 
>liason which read as follows:
> 
> To the American Commander:
>     
>  Surrender.
> 
> The German Commander.
> 
> McAuliffe regarded this note with a "you can't be serious" look, and
>proceeded to write his reply:
> 
>To the German Commander:
> 
>  Nuts!
> 
> The American Commander. 
> 
> The German envoy, not being familiar with the phrase, asked the 
>general just what "nuts" meant. McAuliffe, who was really losing 
>his patience by this point, said "It means 'fuck off'!"
>McAuliffe proceeded to get on with the business of winning the war,
>which he regarded as rather more important than eloquent writing.

I think McAuliffe was *quite* eloquent, but without being verbose.
He must have read Strunk & White's little volume -- a book I
highly recommend to M. Zeleny.  

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu 
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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel)
Subject: The Secret Agent
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:23:19 GMT

Calling all Joseph Conrad  fans.  PBS Masterpiece Theater is dramatizing
their first Conrad novel "The Secret Agent".  I loved this book, and would
like to hear what others thought of it and why.  It was a real departure
for Conrad.  I have watched the first of 3 hours of this production and
recommend it. David Suchet is already terrific as the unhappy Verloc.

Ron
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:20549 sci.philosophy.meta:2688
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.meta
Subject: Re: Wittgenstein, P.I.
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:28:21 GMT
	<TORKEL.92Nov21163353@bast.sics.se> <1992Nov21.180903.3894@eff.org>
	<TORKEL.92Nov21194533@bast.sics.se> <gall.722534646@yorku.ca>
	<TORKEL.92Nov23173712@bast.sics.se> <gall.722543832@yorku.ca>
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <gall.722543832@yorku.ca> gall@nexus.yorku.ca (Norm Gall) writes:

   >How about the illusion that all nouns refer to objects in the world?
   >How about the illusion that there are 'mental objects' like physical
   >objects and can be disussed as such?

  Are these illusions - assuming there are such illusions - problems
in the use of language?  If we are at all to relate them to "the use
of language" I would think it more reasonable to say that they are
(somehow connected with) problems arising from a particular use of
language, although I don't recall that Wittgenstein said this either.
In describing Wittgenstein's philosophy, it is to my mind a very poor
idea to say such things as "To Wittgenstein, the supposed problems of
philosophy are just problems in the use of language." It's a poor idea
for several reasons, one being that it misrepresents (not just oversimplifies)
the complexities of Wittgenstein's shrewd philosophical waffling.

   >Well, metaphysics is clearly intimated to be in some way an illict
   >discourse and the battle is to bring words (and concepts, as the case
   >may be) back to the everyday use where they get their meaning.

  Aha, but, to employ your own methodology, would Wittgenstein have called
this a battle against metaphysics? In particular, is it at all similar in
its intent to the "battle against metaphysics" of Ayer et al?
From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I am thrilled with the QPBC
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:40:19 GMT
Organization: Moi?

Mark's father sounds like a man after my own heart (but I'm not the woman
he's looking for, I'm already bespoke).  I, too, have lots of questions
only answerable by Mitch or the book Mark got.  

For instance, this has puzzled me for a while.  We have this mental picture
of a rain of stockbrokers on Black Tuesday (?Was it Tuesday?)  How many
folks actually did defenestrate during the Depression?  Ten?  A hundred?  
Thousands?  Does Mitch know?

Sounds like fun, Mark.  I hope I wasn't the person who spoiled the ending of 
Anna Karenin for you, I seem to recall doing a bit of mouth-frothing on the
subject last year.

--
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Maddona's new book
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 01:23:40 GMT

Francis Muir writes:

>...
>Is this the sky above that's falling on my head?
>
>							Fido

During the America's Cup races I traded videotapes, and nautical
badinage, with a man who claimed to be Francis Muir. What struck me
as odd was that, throughout our conversations, he wore a helmet. I
figured: the man is a geophysicist and this IS earthquake country, so
I took to wearing one also, but gave it up after a few weeks. I kept
on wondering about the helmet and finally decided that, like the
ancient Gauls, he was afraid that the sky would fall down on his
head. Now I find I was right!

Relieved,

Stefan Michalowski
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: The last rose
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:07:04 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
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As famous a rosy couplet as any:

	Is he in heaven?, is he in hell?
	That demned elusive Pimpernel.

So did our author intend one of the Burnet Roses, R.pimpinellifolia?
						
							Fido
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: An Object of Art
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:57:58 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
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In discussing books which were not books but objets d'art, someone
mentioned the CHAUCER which William Morris' Kelmscott Press put out.
By coincidence I came across a little book on my shelves that some
might find a useful introduction to this man and the movement with
which he is associated. It is Peter Stansky's *William MORRIS* one
of the Past Masters series put out by Oxford Paperbacks of the OUP.
Stansky is an academic (here at Stanford I believe), so there is
Further Reading and an Index. No more than 90 pages, so it can be
finished in one evening in bed. Not a bad idea.

							Fido
From: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: "Authors in Popsongs" quiz
Date: 18 Nov 1992 02:43:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
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What does this say about me and too much r.a.b., that I can't tell
whether it's a joke, identifying Dylan's "Desolation Row" as an Elvis
song and then using a Dylan tag as the sig file, or that it's a simple
mistake? 

And while we are at it, what hermetic significance do you find in
the fact that of the two such quizzes posted today we've got three
references to (two) Jefferson Airplane songs but other than that
a pretty wide spread?  Was Marty Bailin after all the Arthur Hugh
Clough of his generation?

Confused in Cleveland

>
>   11.  Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot fighting in the captain's
>             tower
>        While calypso singers laugh at them and fishermen hold
>             flowers
>
>Elvis Presley
>
>
>--
>
>
>If you see Saint Annie, please tell her - Thanks a lot.
>
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:36:30 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov18.164642.17801@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:

>One can imagine an entire museum devoted to Madonna's masturbatory devices.

One has obviously been practising :-)
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Sunday Times BOOKS
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:32:16 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Francis Muir writes:

	Nevertheless, it was our esteemed fellow netter and pseudo-Finn,
	Marko Amstell (but isn't that a Beer?) who was commenting on the
	Book Reviews in the SUNDAY TIMES. Can you bring me -- and perhaps
	others -- up to date and explain just where the INDEPENDENT came
	from and isn't there also this EUROsomething paper?

Well, at least I'm not named after a dog, Fido.  But, allow me take up the
latter part of your request.  The European.  It is just as tabloidy as
the Sunday Times (if not more so).  Nevertheless, I buy it pretty often 
on account of one feature, found on the last three pages of the first
section:  The week in Europe.  This is a collection of news exclusives from
many European countries that receive little or no coverage in other major
newspapers, like Bulgaria, Romania, the Ukraine, and stories from all the
better known lands, too.  Apart from this gem, The European shows a lot of
cleavage in the Fashion pages.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:36:19 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov16.033615.7184@netcom.com> nagle@netcom.com (John  
Nagle) writes:
> sean@cobra.dra.com writes:
> >The St. Louis County Public Library (independent from the city)  
had decided
> >not to order the book either.  The county library gave several  
reasons for
> >not ordering the book.  1. It had received poor reviews. 2. It was  
spiral
> >bound (doesn't hold up well). 3. Didn't appear to have "lasting  
value." and
> >4. Too expensive.
>       Yeah, for $50 it ought to be better bound.  I expect a  
paperback
> version once hardback sales run down.
> 

More to the point, in these times, when budgets are tight,
the library can find better things to spend its limited book
budget on than a $50 book by Madonna.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Griffin & Sabine; Sabine's Notebook
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <gall.722534646@yorku.ca>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:22:32 GMT

The sequel to Nick Bantock's book Griffin & Sabine is out now. I'm re-reading
Griffin & Sabine.  Has anyone else read this and the sequel?  I loved the first
one and will read the sequel today.
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