HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmccorm@a.cs.okstate.edu (MCCORMICK JOSHUA C)
Subject: Re: Handshaking sequence
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:15:27 GMT

From article <19930107.062507.771@almaden.ibm.com>, by russotto@vnet.ibm.com (Matthew T. Russotto):
> 300bps is easy... you just keep blasting out the carrier tone and
> eventually the other side figures out that you aren't going to respond
> to its high-speed mating calls and drops to 300bps.

In fact, if you have a modem that you can convince to stay on the line and
send data when there isn't a carrier present, it is possible to tape record
a 300 baud message, and to play it back over the telephone line when anyone
calls!

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From: wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke)
Subject: Re: line quality tests
Organization: Netcom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:24:14 GMT

David Tiberio (dtiberio@src4src.linet.org) wrote:
: 
: 	I was wondering what acceptable results from the built in test
: commands are for line quality. I think the commands are AT%Q and AT%T.
: 
: 	On one line I get a value of 0 and 43, and the other line the values 
: are 0 and 20.


In the modem I use the command is ATSQ (mnemonic for Signal Quality).
When online and you escape into command mode, ATSQ will print the line
quality about six times a second. Top quality looks like this:

77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777

For 14,400 bps connects this is usually enough:

555555555555555556555555555555665555555555555555555555565555555556555555555555

Bottom quality is:

00000000000000000000000000??????????????????????????????00000000000000000000

The questions marks indicate a retrain.


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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Subject: Re: USA modems in Europe
Keywords: phone systems standards international
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:00:42 GMT

In <3453@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rlyle@nl.oracle.com (Rob Lyle  Wizard of Ozje) writes:

>Anyone got any experiences with using USR modems (or any other 14.4K beasts)
>built and bred for the States over in Europe?  (Specifically Holland/Britain).

The protocols (V.32, V.32bis, V.42, V.42bis) should work fine there.
Long ago, when people did lots of work at 300 or 1200 or 2400, there
were differing standards for US and Europe.  Not at 9600 or 14.4 however.
It's all the same.

There is the mechanical issue of plugging in the modem to the phone line.
You will have to buy or make a cable or an adapter.  Britain has not one
but several standard styles of phone jacks, and you have to have a cable
or adapter to match.  I found mine at Radio Shack in London (a couple
of blocks from the Old Bailey, I recall).  The Dutch phone plugs are, of
course, different :).

And you will have to be able to get electrical power.  A small transformer-
type power convertor will do nicely -- buy a 100-watt unit, for example.

If you use touch-tone, that's it.  No additional worries.  If you 
use rotary dial, you may have to vary the make-break ratio (e.g. &P1)
to 33%-67% rather than 39%-61% as in the US.

Other than the above considerations, you should have no trouble at all!


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From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Want to build modem carrier detect circuit.
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: Sound Consulting, Bellevue, WA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:57:19 GMT

Stuart R Ehrlich writes
| I want to build a 'carrier detect' circuit to go on my phone line.  I
| have several computer systems and several modems, but all on the same
| line, so only 1 is in use at any time (1 at the most).  The modems are
| 1200/2400 baud.  I would like to have a single indicator that would
| indicate the presence of a carrier on the phone line.  I _DON'T_ want a
| 'phone line in use' indicator; I already have one.  I want a new
| indicator for when a modem is active.  Can I use a portion of some modem 
| IC, just to use it as a carrier detector?  I would appreciate any tips or 
| schematics.  Thanks!

	A gentleman at Motorola in Texas pointed me to their MC145447 Calling  
Line Identification chip in response to my queries for a chip which handles  
CLID.  I was able to get a spec sheet for free from the local Motorola Sales  
Office.  I haven't yet checked on single-quantity pricing, but this chip does  
offer an active low CARRIER DETECT output pin which has an 8 ms hysteresis to  
allow for a momentary drop out of the carrier.
	The data sheet shows sample circuitry for connection to the phone lines  
which uses a handful of diodes, capacitors and resistors which interface to the  
chip (I don't know if they'll protect the circuit from a lightning strike,  
though).
	Oh, the chip also demodulates Bell 202 1200 baud FSK asynchronous data  
(that's what CLID uses).

Hope this helps,
-- 
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BrianW@SoundS.WA.com	Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development
NeXTmail welcome
From: stella@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ricky ...suave... Stella)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Procomm+ 4win update
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:03:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Does anybody know where are the patches for procomm+ 4 windows (ftp access)

Thanks...

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From: d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: ZyXEL 1496E+ won't answer a call
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:30:39 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

sp@questor.org (Steve Pershing) writes:

>|> I just got a ZyXEL U1496E+ with 5.04 ROMs.  I can't get it to recognize
>|> the ring signal.  If I set S0=1 the modem will never answer the call
>|> and there are never any "RING" messages sent by the modem.  The S40 registe
>|> is set to zero (0).  Anyone have a clue, or is it just mal-functioning

>It may be that your ringing signal is different than the North American one,
>where we get anywhere between 50-100vac at 20hz for 2s on and 4s off.

I finally opened the cover of the modem and there were a large condensator with
one of the pins sticking up ugly without any contact tothe main board.  After
soldering it the RING signal was detected without any problems.

Obviously they don't test AA-capability in their test suit before delivering...

Mikael Wahlgren
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From: r_barenbrug@research.ptt.nl (Roland Barenbrug)
Subject: Novutel fax modem
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:23:11 GMT

Hello,

I recently obtained a Novutel Fax/Data modem (resp 9600/2400 baud). This
modem was provided with a handbook for FaXiT, which works fine, but without
documentation about the AT-command set.

Therefore my quetion is: does someone know which AT commands are supported
by this modem. The modem is almost single-chip and based on a RockWell
controller.

Thanks for any help,

Roland
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Subject: Digicom Scout+/USR DS problems
From: skriefal@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (Scott Kriefall)
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:12:11 -0600
Organization: St. Cloud State Univ., MN

I've recently purchased a Scout Plus to replace my 9600 GVC.  One of the
local boards uses 2 USR Dual Standards, and 2 Compucoms.  I often have
trouble connecting to the Duals at 14.4 - the modems will usually
connect at 9600 (the Compucoms, though, usually are not a problem).  I
also have *no* problems connecting at 14400/v.42bis with SupraFAX modems,
Infotels, and Zyxels.  So far, this appears to be an excellent modem...

skriefal@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu


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From: sp@questor.org (Steve Pershing)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: ZyXEL voice and flow control
Keywords: ZyXEL voice flow control
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:35:59 PST
Organization: Questor|Free Usenet News|Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

rkimball@athena.qualcomm.com (Robert Kimball) writes:

|> >Zyxel rep's; where are you?
|> 
|> One more thing I would add to the list, this one really annoys me...
|> 
|> 5.) Recognize and report DTMF while transmitting voice.  This is really neede
|>     for proper voice mail so that while playing your greeting the call can
|>     enter DTMFs to get to a mailbox, without having to listen to the entire
|>     greeting.
|> 
|> How can we report this to the ZyXEL engineers?

One of the ZyXEL tech support people in California often reads this newsgroup.
That may be enough.

If you want to make sure that they know of it, send them a FAX, or telephone
them, or call their BBS.  The BBS supports the QWK mail format, and you can
upload a pre-written message to them on your first call.  Just use the
"download" command.  You will get a menu giving you a choice of "upload a
QWK packet?".  Their BBS has no internet access.  It may be on FidoNet.

       FAX number in  Anaheim is:  714 693 0705
       FONE number is:  714 693 0804
       BBS number is:   714 693 0762

Failing all that, there are similar numbers for their parent organisation
in Taiwan.  Let me know if you want *those* numbers.

Hope that helps.
--
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  FREE access to Environ, Sci, Med, & AIDS news, and more.  [also UUCP]
    on a ZyXEL-U1496S+  =>  v.42bis, v.32bis, v.33, up to 16,800bps.
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From: rob@sound.demon.co.uk (Robert J Barth)
Subject: Re: USA modems in Europe
Reply-To: rob@sound.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: Sound & Vision BBS (UK) 0932 252323
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:55:08 +0000

In article <3453@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rlyle@nl.oracle.com (Rob Lyle  Wizard of Ozje) writes:
>Anyone got any experiences with using USR modems (or any other 14.4K beasts)
>built and bred for the States over in Europe?  (Specifically Holland/Britain).

I use the Dual Standards, and they have worked consistently well for over 9
months.  The only problem is that they don't recognise BUSY 90% of the time.
Other than that they're the modems I'd recommend if I could afford them :-)

-rob-

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From: mike@inftec.be (Mike Aerts)
Subject: Re: A Telebit FAX upgrade FLAME (Was: "Re: WB Fax Upgrade")
Organization: Information Technologies, Wemmel, Belgium.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 13:46:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.180030.26673@riogrande.cs.tcu.edu> williams@riogrande.cs.tcu.edu (Mark Williams) writes:
>We've seen a lot of flames for Telebit on their modal support of fax vs. data
>calls.  What I haven't seen is anyone mentioning how other manufacturers are
>doing this.  Do any of you have modems that DO perform the switch on incoming
>calls?
>
>Does the USR Courier Dual Standard Fax do it?
>
>Does the Supra Fax?
>
>Enquiring minds want to know.
>
The ZyXEL 1496E modems allow you to that. I'm writing a modem-monitor, 
for UNIX, that switches incoming calls between a callback system and a
fax-spooler.  It's not complete yet, but the switching really works.
This can be done by using setting the modem in ZFAX mode, and I will
try it out in Class 2 mode.

mike.
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From: lars@spectrum.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: BocaModem versions.
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:07:10 GMT
Organization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA

In article <930105.220327.EST.KARYPM@SJUVM.BITNET>
   KARYPM@SJUVM.BITNET ("Paul M. Karagianis") writes:
>Having recently moved from a 1200 baud/dumb terminal combination to
>a BOCA 14.4 internal in a PC, the recent discussion of the latest
>ROM version has me a bit confused.  The modem was purchased in mid
>December '92 and the manual has a publication date of August '92.
>Page 10 has a picture of a rectangular card, and the manual has a
>photo-copy of a replacement for this page with a "new" square card,
>so I would assume the version would be pretty recent.  The following
>are the various responses I've gleaned from the beast:

>ati0 = 249		>ati1 = 007	>ati2 = OK
>ati3 = V0.340		>ati4 = RC32ACL	>ati5 = 022
>ati6 = 144DPL+FAX
>
>at+fmfr? = ROCKWELL	>at+fmdl? = RC32ACL	>at+frev? = V0.340

Indeed, this is a new chipset. The RC32AC data pump is more compact
than the RC144DP that we have discussed up to this point, but is
supposed to be functionally equivalent. I thought the RC32ACL was
more expensive than the RC144DP. I would have expected it to be used
predominantly for laptops at this time.
-- 
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  CMC Network Products / Rockwell Int'l	Telephone: +1-805-968-4262	
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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Zyxel calling TB WB Problem
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 14:48:44 EST
Organization: Izot's Swamp

anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward) writes:

> I have a problem with a Zyxel 1496-E calling a Telebit WorldBlazer.

   I called xenitec's WB with a ZyXEL 1496E revision 5.03 with no problems 
whatsoever.

> Transmit is fine.  Transfer rates are just under 1400 cps for compressed
> news batches of sizes in excess of 100K.
> 
> However once the line turns round speed drops.  Transfer rates are 
> typically 750 cps.

   I thought that I was having a similar problem, but a USR Dual Standard had 
the same problem.  Turns out that my phone line had nasty distortion on the 
receive end.  I've been spoiled by my Telebit T1000, which never complained 
and, when queried as to line quality, described some frequency ranges as 
imperfect. <grin>

  Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
                Now I've lost everything, I give to you my soul
           And the meaning of all that I believed before escapes me
                  In this world of none, no thing, and no one
                            - Genesis, _Afterglow_
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: PPI EPROMS (Re: PPI repair charges)
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:14:57 GMT
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <Jan.6.15.27.26.1993.12836@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) writes:
>>Incidentally, I came across this in my manual: "Most products returned to
>>Practical Peripherals for repair are found to be in proper working
>>condition."
>
>Read: "Most people who think something's wrong with their modem are silly
>dips who don't know how to configure it."  Find a BBS network (such as 

I can believe this; HOWEVER, they (in my case) try their best to screen
out pilot error on the phone before issuing an RMA number in the first
place.

In the case of my modem, they sent me a wholly different one, so the
repair must not have been trivial...

--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

    Never trust a UNIX programmer who can't spell "kernel".
From: st1r8@elroy.uh.edu (Guillot, Burt J.)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Giving up on Supra
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:29 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan8.014804.5342@schunix.uucp>, elliot@schunix.uucp (Elliot Mednick) writes.
>BTW, I am using the old ROMs because the new ones (H) would not allow
>my FAXes to work anymore.  And I couldn't use the renegotiation
>stuff anyway because UUCP doen't like that.

I've given up on my Supra as well.  I'm going to have to get another modem,
because its starting to make me crazy.  I am using the new H chips, because
I run a BBS, so I need the "data" part working.

However, when I put in the H chipset, I lost the ability to communicate
with about half the fax machines I regularly sent faxes to with the
older ROM.  Oh, well.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: PPI EPROMS (Re: PPI repair charges)
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:49:30 GMT

jmccorm@a.cs.okstate.edu (MCCORMICK JOSHUA C) writes:

>I recently heard from a friend that he's now getting only MNP 4 connects from 
>HST D/S modems with the new ROM. Can someone confirm?

We get MNP5/LAPM connections here with ours --- try it yourself,
219-289-0282 -- USR DS's with v.32bis, 16.8HST and Fax -- with a
locked DTE of 56700 baud.

I like my USR Modems -- they are just too damn expensive!

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From: horke@buchonia.rhoen.in-berlin.de (Bernhard Kroenung)
Subject: Latest ROM for WorldBlazer
Organization: fulmin Ebersburg/Rhoen
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:47:28 GMT

Hy

what is the latest ROM-Version for the Telebit Worldblazer ?

  Ciao
     Bernhard
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From: Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: V32 FAST
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:13:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems
Organization: Harvard University Office for Information Technology

In article <C0H73r.FFI@fc.hp.com>, jsm@fc.hp.com (John Marvin) wrote:

> In fact, I thought that until about a two months ago, no company had actually
> been able to demonstrate 28,800, even with prototype hardware (I believe
> AT&T Paradyne can now do this, but it is not a product yet).

I've been meaning to call AT&T Paradyne.  I'd buy some of their Comsphere
modems on a promise of V.fast upgrades when it becomes a reality.  Anyone
know anything about their product plans...?

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT
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From: grmd@lrts1.demon.co.uk ("Gareth R. M. Davies")
Subject: email addr for TWINCOM?
Distribution: world
Organization: Lotwillow Ltd.
Reply-To: grmd@lrts1.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:11:27 +0000

Can anybody supply an internet address for TWINCOM (a division of
Target Technologies Inc.) or of Image Communications (which may
or may not be linked with Twincom).

Please email to the undersigned.

Thank-you.

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Home tel. +44 344 21729                Work fax. +44 753 696254
From: pdenize@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Better Hayes Command Manual
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:27:43 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Thank you to those who helped me with my faulty modem.

The modem came with a very poor manual that describes (or to the
point fails to describe) the Hayes command set.

I would like to know if anyone has a really good "descriptive" command summary
they could post.  The manual I have assumes you know everything about the
phone system.  The things I do know gets me in and about but the other two
thirds of the commands are a complete mystery.

Paul Denize

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From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Can I upgrade a 16450 uart to a 16550a? 
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 23:42:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1993Jan7.152939.28987@wam.umd.edu> joel@wam.umd.edu writes:

> I was almost sure Dell would have put a good uart in the
> machine, but it turns out it's only a 16450.

well, they did put a ``good'' UART in the machine....  they just didn't
put the *BEST* UART in.  I've yet to see a serial board that comes with
a 16550A or 16550AF already installed.  (I would love to see this change,
of course!)

fact is, though, those of us who use high-speed modems are still not
the majority.  I know people who simply can't understand why in the
world you'd ever want faster than 2400 bps (if even that fast).....
so considering that, the folks making the serial boards aren't too
likely to care just now.  :-(

> Naturally, I'm losing
> char.s with high-speed transfers, especially with a loaded machine
> (I'm running Linux --- a Unix clone).

first, check your flow control setup.  make sure you've got fully
bi-directional (RTS/CTS --- more correctly referred to as RFR/CTS) flow
control setup in both the software and the modem.  if you don't have
good flow control in operation, you're could easily lose characters no
matter what UART you've got.

also, when you upgrade, make sure that the software does support the
16550 fully --- if not, you've just replaced a 16450 with what will be
treated as a fast 16450....

> Is it possible to upgrade the 16450 to a 16550a?

yes.  they are pin-compatible, provided that you replace it with the
same package...e.g., replace DIP (16550AN or 16550AFN) with DIP, etc.
                                        ^           ^
> (I assume that will
> help the problem; correct me if I'm wrong.)  

see above --- it's part of what will help, but there are other things to
look at as well.

> [I tried asking the representative a Dell, but, when he answer my
> question of "What kind of uart is in the machine" with "You have a
> VLSI chip," I gave up.]

usually (and there are exceptions), sales droids don't have a clue about
these things.  the guy you talked to probably doesn't know the
difference between a UART and a toaster, and just pulled out a term
(VLSI) that he'd heard in the past somewhere.  :-)

e-mail me if you want more info, have questions, etc.
   --jim

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