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From: wido@isgtec.com (Wido Menhardt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: wienerisch dama redn
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:54:55 GMT
Distribution: world
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Thomas Deck (hi61@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
: Damit wir uns nicht falsch verstehen: Ihr koennt soviel Wienerisch posten
: wie Ihr wollt, mich stoert es nicht, zumal es nicht weniger intelligent ist
: als der Durchschnitt der restlichen Artikel.

No, jetsan homses uns erlahbt. Dea is oba reladiv wif fia an Piefke
wanna vasteht des mia des intelligenz-nivoh in dera grupn hemn. Oda
hob i eahm foisch vastondn?

-wido.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mgill@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael David Gill)
Subject: Levern, Germany
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:11:38 GMT

Does anyone know where Levern is?  It is the town from which some of my 
ancestors emigrated in the mid 1800's.  The town name may have changed,]
and it may no longer even be in Germany, since Germany territory was much 
wider then.  I would be very interested in knowing, and I cannot find it 
in any maps here.

Also, I'm pretty sure about the spelling, but not positive.

If anyone has any idea, please reply to me by private E-mail, because I do 
not have the time to read this newsgroup.

Michael Gill
MGILL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
MGILL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU.SILVER
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Help needed for survey about Germ. cities
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:27:58 GMT
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh

In article <1992Dec12.221846.2641@ucselx.sdsu.edu> maxc0125@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Dennis Rubner) writes:

   Yes, Munich is cold, but I can't take anymore resolution predicate calculus.
   I'm doing a survey, which is a beter place to live:

   1)   Hamburg 
   2)   Munich
	(and due to popular request):
   3)   Cologne
   4)   Wiesbaden
   5)   Duesseleldorf

   Everybody else e-mail me if you have an opinion in this matter.

   Tally so far:     Munich      Hamburg    Cologne   Weisbaden  Duesseldorf
		      4            3          2          3           2

		    Heidelberg
		      3

Strange result. Munich is for yuppies only. Berlin, the only place
with a sufficient supply of crazy people (in german "freaks") to make
it interesting doesn't appear. Who would go to Heidelberg or Wiesbaden
(yawn - you must have boring friends).



--

 Thorsten Altenkirch         	And there's a hand, my trusty fiere,
 Laboratory for Foundations  	   And gie's a hand o' thine,
 of Computer Science 	      	And we'll tak a right guid-willie waught
 University of Edinburgh     	   For auld lang syne!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.recht
From: zrzm0111@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (MUFTI)
Subject: Re: Asylrecht / "verfolgerstaat" = ?
Organization: User Help Desk, Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:52:40 GMT

In article <lics2dINNfp@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber) writes:
>In article <4286@elwood.prz.tu-berlin.de> jost@runner.prz.tu-berlin.de (Jost) writes:
>>
>...
>>am sonntag haben sich die beiden grossen parteien geeinigt, den 
>>asylrechts-paragraphen zu aendern. die aenderung sieht so aus, 
>>dass niemand, der aus der EG oder einem nichtverfolgerstaat 
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>>in D-land eintrifft, einen asylantrag stellen darf, sondern 
>>gleich zurueckgewiesen wird. 
>...
> Was ist per definitionem ein "Verfolgerstaat" ?   Es kann sein, dass
> ein USA-Bu"rger oder ein Australier u.a. politisch verfolgt wird.

Noch schlimmer wird es, wenn die Tuerkei Vollmitglied der EG wird...

Wie ist das eigentlich mit der Genfer Fluechtlingskonvention ?

Da Deutschland diese unterzeichnet hat, ist sie doch geltendes Recht.

Ist die Anwendung (bzw. Nichtanwendung) der Rechtkonstruktion ASYL aus dem 
Grundgesetz dann ueberhaupt rechtens ?

Wie sieht es eigentlich mit Fluechtlingen aus, die ueberhaupt nicht politisch
verfolgt sind, sondern nach den anderen Bestimmungen der Genfer Fluechtlings-
konvention Schutz suchen ? (z.B. Leute die wegen ihrer ethnischen Herkunft 
verfolgt werden oder Leuten denen bei Auslieferung ins Heimatland gravierende
Verstoesse gegen die Menschenrechte drohen)
From: dsza@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Tony De Souza)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: How racit are the germans?
Summary: The new Germany
Keywords: neo-nazis, hate crimes, violence etc
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:53:38 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

As a young guy just starting out (I recently graduated from the University
of Rochester in Rochester, NY) I had the opportunity to work in Germany for
Diamler Benz.  I have always had outstanding academic credentials, and would
have loved to do so, except for one thing.  I am black.  Recent events in
Germany (or not so recent upon reflection) have made me never want to visit 
a country I once admired, and further more I go out of my way to not buy 
German these days, yet I cannot help but feel that racism itself is not THAT
widespread, but I really would like to hear more from other people on the 
net.

Tony DeSouza

--

---------- If you rub here and it feels good, you are one sick puppy ----------

Tony DeSouza                                                           \ | /
From: kvdoel@cs.ubc.ca (Kees van den Doel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Argic
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:15:19 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
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An Israeli friend who lived in Germany for a few years said to me:
"The Turks and the Germans: they deserve each other...".  :-)


Shalom,

Kees
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)
Subject: Re: _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert Speer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:11:03 GMT

In article <92349.175152L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I am reading _Inside the Third Reich_ by Albert Speer, and wondering
>how truthful he is.  It seems  he's very honest, but he had considerable
>time to do research after he got out of Spandau.  (On the other hand, he
>supposedly lived in seclusion for 3 years or so after his prison term.)
>
>Some other questions come to my mind:
>-- Was there any ghost writers behind this book?
    Don't know.
>-- The book reviews in scholary juournals were mostly negative.
>   _The rise and fall of the Third Reich_ also got generally negative
>   reviews as well.  It seems to me that professional historians do not
>   regard these two books very highly.  Why?
     Perhaps the RFTR was viewed as just a collection of facts and memories,
without much interpretation, or much of an attempt to put Nazi-ism in
a historical perspective?
>   (Most popular magazine reviews were very favorable to both books.)
    Shirer was a journalist. Perhaps he infused RFTR with a journalistic
style which favorably impressed the journalists who wrote popular magazine
reviews.

>-- Did Albert Speer deserv 20 year prison sentence?
>   (According to him, he deserves it.  But, it seems to me he's trying
>   to unburden the "guilt of all German" from German people, and carry
>   it all by himself.)
    Morally, he deserved it.
    Legally -- well, this isn't the place to re-open the debate about
    the Nuremberg trials.
>-- What is Albert Speer doing now?
      Speer died in 1982, age 77. He died, ironically, in Britain.
Robert George
(speaking only for myself)

"The very essence of individual freedom is equal justice under a rule of
law, a law to which every man shall be subject and which no executive
can modify."
    Senator Robert Taft , March 11, 1944
From: craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Craig R Albrechtson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Looking of Soviet-East, German surplus
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:52:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


Hello there,

Let me explain in brief what this post is about.  Since the cold war
has ended I have taken an interest in collecting various Warsaw pact 
Uniforms, pins patches.

I have collected some soviet patches, pins and and and two east german
army trench coats.  One a Border Guard and the other A Naval Officer.

Up to now I have been looking in U.S. Army surplus stores but not much 
is in there and what is tends to be smaller sizes.  

I know that in certain places in Germany both Soviet and East German 
army equipment is for sale quite readly.  In fact there is a article on 
Berlin in the Sunday New York Times and one of the pictures shows a 
older woman at a stand near the site of the former Berlin wall selling
various Uniforms parts.


I am posting to this group because I know alot of people living in Germany
post to this group.  If anybody out there knows of a place where some of 
this stuff can be purchased could they E-Mail me please.

If someone would purchase something and send it to me in the U.S. I 
would be willing to pay them.  So if any of you people know of a place
where stuff can be purchased mail me please and I will see if we can
set something up.

Please Email me becauese I am not a regular reader of this group and 
do not want to waste bandwith.

			       Thanks Much
-- 
************************************************************************
* Craig Reese Albrechtson (Slider) * University of Wisconsin Milwaukee *
* The usual meanless disclaimers apply * craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu       *
************************************************************************
From: bsrrg@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Deutsche in den USA
Date: 9 Dec 92 12:12:55 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec8.032046.14893@leland.Stanford.EDU>, 
ruediger@leland.Stanford.EDU (ruediger dung) writes:
> Hallo liebe LeserInnen,
> ich habe zwei Fragen, die ich gerne zur Disposition
> stellen moechte:
> 

     [Zeilen geloescht]

>    Ich persoenlich finde das Schlangestehen in Geschaeften
>    oder vor dem Kino im Vergleich zum Gerangel in Deutschland
>    sehr angenehm, kann mich aber nicht damit anfreunden, dass die
>    Amerikaner sich ungern mit Fremden an einen Tisch setzen, weshalb
>    man in Restaurants auch zum Tisch gefuehrt wird. Dieses Verhalten
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
     kenne ich eigentlich nur aus der alten DDR-Zeit oder von teuren
>    Restaurants in Deutschland. 


Abgesehen davon, dass ich "Sitte" dem Wort "Verhalten" vorziehen wuerde
(Du beobachtest ja keine Tiere...), kann ich sagen, dass Schlange-
stehen und "waiting to be seated" auch hier in Grossbritannien durch-
aus ueblich sind.

		Richard
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: How racist are the germans?
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:52:16 GMT
 <lissdeINN4h0@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I agree -- I don't think Germany is any more racist than the US.

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: lenivch@maclaurin.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki)
Subject: Re: Looking of Soviet-East, German surplus
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:53:37 GMT

In article <1gie4vINNgrn@uwm.edu> craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Craig R Albrechtson) writes:
>
>Hello there,
>
>Let me explain in brief what this post is about.  Since the cold war
>has ended I have taken an interest in collecting various Warsaw pact 
>Uniforms, pins patches.

And if it were 1948 now, would you consider collecting Nazi paraphernalia?

Witold
From: deatz@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gregory H Deatz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Freedom of speech WAS Re: Lawrence Godfrey
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:26:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:

>Of course, a lot of American universities are attempting to make a
>right to be offended by passing anti-bias codes of speech.  Of course,
>only the 'oppressed minorities' are protected....

You know, what you just said, could very easily be construed as a racist
remark.

Anti-bias codes are, to a certain extent, useful. But not really.

Only the "oppressed minorities are protected". DUHHHHH. That's what they're
meant to do!!!!!!!

Wake up. If you are offended by blacks and gays and jews and hispanics and 
indians and japanese and chinese and american indians making racial slurs
about the white person, (let alone the white man--we are after all THE
OPPRESSOR), then maybe you should think about how an oppressed person feels
when a racial slur is made.

I am white, and I am male. This puts me at a distinct advantage. If someone
puts me down for my color or my sex, I can think that it is wrong; however,
there racism is not stopping me from doing anything I want to do. In fact,
it really can't stop me from doing anything I want to do. Because I am
(un)fortunate enough to have been born into a position of power.

I don't appreciate the PC codes at my university because they clearly
protect only the minorities. I also don't appreciate them because they
limit freedom of speech. I think any racial slur or action should be considered
just that--a racial slur that shouldn't have been said.

PC is difficult to support, but it's also very difficult to oppose because,
right now, it is doing the proper thing, SORT OF. PC is just a vague notion
of what is correct. What is correct? I don't know. But it is about time that
the liberal attitude was able to enforce itself like the conservative
attitudes have been doing for oooooo soooooo loooonnnnnggggg.

Bye
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: doit@ihspb.ih.att.com (45261-Roeseler)
Subject: Re: trust the Canadians....
Reply-To: a.roeseler@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:57:00 GMT
Originator: doit@ihspb


In article <1992Dec11.222208.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
|> 
|> You're sick of German-bashing and I'm sick of Germans.
|> 
|> Laurence

I can relate to this! I am sick of those headaches I get after I've been
banging my head aginst the wall for hours. But I found a cure for my
unjustified suffering: I stop doing it now!

Can you do the same and go away?!

Thank you,

Armin

I you spell GenoXcide, ArmenQians, and TurPks correctly in a posting,
you've got MutFlu/ArZgic on your tail. -- A.R.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Maisack)
Subject: Re: Neues Asylrecht in aller Kuerze
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:18:36 GMT

In <icking.724452157@gmd.de> icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking) writes:

>Politisch verfolgte Fallschirmspringer geniessen Asyl.


das muss naetuerlich noch ergaenzt werden: Der Fallschirm darf
nicht in einem Verfolgungsfreien Drittland produziert worden sein.

Michael

>(aus dem heutigen Koelner Stadtanzeiger - Leserbrief?)
>--
>Werner Icking        Werner.Icking@gmd.de        (+49 2241) 14-2443     __o
>GMD - Gesellschaft fuer Mathematik und Datenverarbeitung mbH          _`\<,_
>Schloss Birlinghoven, P.O.Box 1316, D-5205 Sankt Augustin, Germany   (_)/ (_)
>                             "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod." ~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: andreb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Andre Bergholz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Oh! No more L. ...
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:32:08 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Dec16.011535.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

|> I did not call for the destruction of Germans, I simply said that the German
|> nationality and language should not have been allowed to continue after 
|> WW2.  I didn't say anything about killing anyone.

How do you want to "not allow the German nationality"? Don't you think that
we have a right to have our own nationality and culture? And should we all
learn Chinese to communicate?

If you can't stop hating other people please found your own newsgroup
rec.sport.hate.lawrence and post your articles there.

Andre


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Andre Bergholz 
e-mail: kleiner@uk.ac.edinburgh (UK only)
        kleiner@edinburgh.ac.uk (ROW)

"Ist Wissen wissbar und wenn nicht, wie koennen wir das wissen?"
                                                    (Woody Allen)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Autobahns uber Alles!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:04:37 GMT

In article <unhealth.723873638@mcl> unhealth@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kristian Dunn) writes:
>Hitler did make the first network of Autobahns, and they were very admired by
>General Eisenhower, who later became president of the USA, and was the USA
>was the second country to have an Autobahn network. 
>

Na und? Sollen wir deswegen Hitler etwa mehr lieben?
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de
Subject: Minister C. Schwarz-Schilling resigns over row with Kohl****
Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:44:50 GMT

The minister for PTT in Germany, Chrisian Schwarz-Schilling has resigned
today over a conflict with Chancellor Kohl in cabinet last Thursday.
As Schwarz-Schilling pointed out, he was shaken over reports of Hercegovinan
citizens to a Bundestag select committee over rape crimes commited by
Serbs in Bosnia-Hercegovina, and how paralyzed Western reactions appeared
to him to this point.
He added that he had pointed out to Chancellor Kohl that he felt ashamed to
be member of a government's cabinet that wouldn't react in the wake of
the war crimes in former Jugoslavia.
 
Markus Schlegel
RFWU Bonn (Germany)
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Information for trip to Germany...
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:58:10 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

lilly@nhmfl.fsu.edu (Leonhard Lilly) writes:

>Who told you to buy coffee and food on the Autobahn? These prices are
>horrendous even for germans. I guess, only business travelers who get
>reimbursed and people who feel their time is "too precious" to get off
>the Autobahn really frequnet these places. Try looking for truck stops
>next time...

During the night when coffee is most precious, I would challenge you to find a 
place OFF the Autobahn for coffee. Even the Autobahn shuts down at night in 
Germany. Here we drive to Florida and typically leave home during the evening 
hours and drive till 2 or 3, grab some shut eye in a cheap roadside inn for 20 
or 30 bucks, and get on our way again a few hours later.

The place I found was the truck stop and they seemed to have the money for the 
coffee.


>On a lighter note: maybe the coffee price per unit of caffeine is the
>same as the coffee price at McDonald's in the States :-)

I have no problem with McDonald's coffee. But Denny's or Perkins is better.

Fred
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re; Afghans be aware  [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:41:37 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
Distribution: world
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To: sci-anon-poster 


abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>
>Mr Sayed, you have no right to drag Imam Khomeini into the dirty
>nationalistic game.  Do you realize that Imam Khomeini was not leader of
>just iranian but he was the leader of the whole Muslim community?  He equally

This is what YOU think.  I am Iranian and I did not consider Khomaini my
leader.  I am also Moslem and I did not consider him my leader.

>
>Asad( A Muslim, not iranian) Abbas.

This reminds me of some of the communists in Iran.  They believed
that the Soviet Union was the paradise.  Very few of them had ever
visited the Soviet Union.  They were ready to justify any of the
Soviet's wrongdoing.

It is very unfortunate that some Moslems look at Iran the same way; as
their Mecca.  I knew someone from Lebenan who loved khomaini. He
even lived in Iran for a few months, and thought everyone was happy in
Iran.  He was amazed at the number of Iranians abroad who hated the
current regime in Iran. But he would justify this and call all of them
Shah Parast.  He would not buy my argument that when he was in Iran,
people were scared of talking to him (I would have been scared,
with his thick black
beard which made him look like one of those revolutionary guards), and
that usually you talk to your close friends and relatives about such
matters.  I do not know what It would take to wake up such a person.

Morad

 
 
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 20 Dec 1992 17:32:17 CST
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Economist articles

!?!?......
?!?!......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:41:43 EST
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Daryoush's Ejazeh -- Re: nilofar song
Distribution: World
 <1992Dec17.130835.9426@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>

In article <1992Dec17.130835.9426@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, foroughi@mot.com
(Hooman Foroughi) says:
>
>Ba salAmeh Garm,
>
>I think Haji has a good idea. I enjoy some of the persian music since they    g
>bring
>back
>old memories. I also enjoy singing them some times (to myself of course!!)
>It would be a good idea to post the lyrics to the persian songs that we know.
>I know some, and here is one of my favorite ones:
>
>
   < Text deleted >
>

   Tried to mail you directly and it bounced a couple of times. Thanks much
   for the lyrics. It must have been 17-18 years ago when that song first
   came out and I have very fond memories of that period and that song in
   particular.



Thanks again,

RezA

P.S. don't only sing it to yourself, go ahead and wisper it in someone's
     ears. I "gArAn-TEE" the results :-)

P.P.S.  Thanks to Ali, it looks like more and more people are becoming
        gerdsooz-literate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian