From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Class Warfare is STUPID: (Was: : Where Have All the Liberals Gone?)
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:50:04 GMT

In article <167C3D822.KENH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, kenh@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ken Hudson) writes:
} In article <15146@drutx.ATT.COM> dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
} >} 5) with no education to be
} >} able to count your dollars in the first place;
} >
} >Education does not have to be provided by the government.  Besides, my
} >education has already been paid for.
} >
} Yes, but not by YOUR dollars...By someone from the previous generation,

Yes by MY dollars.  I have been paying property taxes, which go to pay
for education, for LONGER than the time I have attended public schools.
And I do not have children.

} >} 6) with no regulatory
} >} agencies to set standards of quality which you could never test in
} >} your garage
} >
} >Again, these do not have to be provided by the government.  Organizations
} >like Consumer Reports and UL do that quite well.  If there has to be such
}  
} Yes, but Consumer Reports tests only judge quality of a randomly selected
} sample from a model line...they do not certify or establish the ongoing
} standard of quality to which a manufacturer (et al.) can be held in a
} court of law...

But that standard can also keep a manufacturer from being held accountable.
If government sets a standard for safety that is not good enough, and
someone gets hurt because that manufacturer followed that standard, the
injured party has no recourse.

} >it there.  If I do want it, I'll put it there -- I don't need some damn
} >bureaucrat in Washington DC to do those for me.
}  
} And if the faulty part goes into the next airliner you take?

As it is now, I'm taking that chance anyway.

} I assume
} you will entrust the task of certification to some proxy after your
} death?

Not sure what you mean.  But you would prefer your safety on an airline
being entrusted to the government instead?  The same government that
cannot account for 237 of *its own* aircraft?

} >} which probably burned down last week because there was
} >} no Fire Department which wouldn't have mattered anyway because there
} >} were no water lines to your house and you couldn't phone in the fire
} >} anyway, because government had never required universal service and
} >} no-one strung wires to your area because it was too sparsely populated
} >} for them to make a profit, etc. etc. etc.
} >
} >Gak!  And all I really wanted out of this transaction was a loaf of
} >bread.
}  
} Welcome to the real world that makes that loaf of bread such an easy
} thing to acquire:  NONE of the tedious tilling of the soil, nervous
} fear of drought or killer frost, hand-harvesting, grinding of the
} flour, desperate search for cooking fuel, crude construction of
} an oven.

But the price includes the sellers fee, the bakers fee, the farmer's fee,
the trucker's fee... all the costs associated with getting that loaf of
bread to me are already included in the price.

} >I have a huge problem, however with the notion that it must also provide
} >fire protection, utilities, phones, food, education, etc, etc, etc.
} >
} >I would much prefer a system in which people are either billed directly
} >for the services they get, or they pay for insurance which can fund those
} >services as they are needed.
}  
} But then you get profit motive going:  and while you, your wife, and
} children are fried to a crisp in your home burning to the ground,
} the fire department is whisking off to the wealthy suburb to pull a
} cat out of the tree for a HUGE handsome check...

Only if they charge a higher fee for getting a cat out of a tree than
in putting out a house on fire.  That would be really stupid.
--
David Olson ...!att!druwa!dlo
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they
can bribe the people with their own money."  Alexis de Tocqueville
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