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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Subject: Re: A4000, A Marketable Machine?
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:06:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.160018.13347@newshost.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
|> >re article by Jay Phillips:  But does that "clone of the month" also do
|> >fast animation at 1024 X 768 X 8 bit, without adding a graphics accelerator
|> >chip?! 
|> >I agree, the static graphics capabilities of the 4000 are
|> >substandard for 1992 personal computers.  However, for dynamic images, the
|> >machine has it over the
|> >IBM PC-derived machine architectures, and Macs.
|> 
|> 	I don't know about that.  Gateway 2000 has a 66/486 vesa local bus
|>   system running an ATI Ultra Pro graphics card.  I bet thats pretty fast.
|>   Its cheaper than the A4000 also, along with having more ram and a much
|>   larger HD.
|> 
    I disagree with both of you.  I would not say that the graphics of the
amiga are "substandard" with today standards.  I think it competes ok.  Consider
that the SVGA standard has a 18-bit palette (256k colors) and not a 24-bit palette
wich is what the A4000 has.

    As for you, G. Greene, consider that that "nice" (ok, is nice, I admit it)
ATI ultra local bus card CAN'T ANIMATE IN 256k colors OUT OF 16.6 million (24
bit) which is exactly what the A4000 can do.

|> 							G.Greene
|> 
|> >
|> >
|> >-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
|> >

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From: bheil@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Brian Heil)
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:52:57 GMT

Chalk up another vote for 'what difference does the appearance make'.  I have
a Tower and while I'm not of the opinion that it is an ugly machine it still
lives in my closet!  The damn thing has the one of the noisiest fans I have
ever heard.  Locking it up in the closet solves this problem rather nicely.
Also chalk on up for the 2000 is by far uglier than 4000.  (And I haven't
even seen a 4000! - the 2000 is _that_ ugly).

-- 
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From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:49:09 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group (aka. SilverBox Development Group)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <25380022@hpsad.sad.hp.com> kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci) writes:

> Yes! To clear up the confusion, the 640x400 mode on an A4000 is flicker
> free and can not only do 256 colors but can do 256,000 colors as well.
> The modes, this anonymous person (Gee I can't imagine who we are talking
> about here) was referring to which do still flicker are 1280x400 and
> 800x600.

   False.   Only  the DblNTSC:  (or DblPAL:) and MULTISCAN:Productivity ARE
FLICKER-FREE  if  you  select  the  "Hires Interlaced No Flicker" in Dbl#?:
modes.  The old NTSC:  and PAL:  still generate 15khz screens.  That's true
that  the 800x600 is indeed interlaced.  And this is after playing with one
for more than 1 hour (so it's first hand).

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: Why A3000 Owners Are Mad
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:11:44 GMT

>Yep, besides the 4000 comes with a 25mhz 040, and the 33mhz has been
>available for a long time.  (40mhz 50mhz 60mhz, when???) 

According to a recent PC Week, Motorola plans a 40MHz version by year
end, and a 50MHz version by the middle of next year.  (Also, the '060
is supposed to be available sometime in the second half of '93)

-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:05:45 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Natuerlich:  "internal" 24 bit on parts of the DSP56001 don't
mean a whole lot with 16 bit wide digital audio samples...  the last bit is
at best +- 1/2 LSB.  What higher internal res means is that the truncation
and round off errors can be minimized -- but the limit is the less than 96
dB input.......


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:46:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvyM8r.87D
Organization: SUNY AT BUFFALO Computer Science

In article <pXFOr*J54@aquarium.Buffalo.NY.US> ernie@aquarium.Buffalo.NY.US (Ernest J. Gainey III) writes:
>
>PC Clones, sell like hot-cakes... maybe they had some weird half baked
>idea... Make it look like a PC or CLONE... and well... maybe it will
>sell...
>

I am not sure about that.  The public is programed now what it HAS to be
PC compatable.  That way they can grab the software from work or school
and save lots!

I am a software engineer, and I TRIED to get my company to move to the
Amiga. (We do video imaging / machine vision work)  We could be a lot
richer had we moved to the Amiga....  

(OK, back to the subject...  Its not looks that sells anymore.)


>Everyone knows... how there are computer illiterate people whom feel
>they absolutely NEED a computer at home...
>

Yea, so they can sit it down next to the fish tank or on the desk.  They
may even turn it on once a month.

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From: jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Congrats to SAS!
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:28:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.002833.1616
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I admit it.  I complain a lot :)
Every once in awhile, just to keep you on your toes, I say nice things.
But it's got to be something special.

This is.

I want to extend my warm appreciation to SAS for their continued support of
the Amiga.  I was very impressed to have received my copy of your compiler
in -less- than a week from when I placed my order (like, three days).  I
am very impressed by this level of competence and professionalism and hope
to see you continue this effort.

As compared to my dealings with some compiler folks on -other- platforms
[red], this was a [fruit] dream come true.  [;)]

:) If anything, you're too efficient, I haven't cleared off enough space on my
harddrive yet.

					Your Loyal Customer,

-- 
David Navas                                   	jazz@netcom.com
Co-author of: Web Data Acq. and Anal.		dnavas@oracle.com
Upcoming products: Shadow V, Jazzbench 2.0.
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Visiona 24-bit Graphics Board
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:29:54 GMT

Does anyone have any additional information concerning the Visiona board from
Spectronics? I seem to recall from earlier posts that this is a German
venture, but I'm not certain. In any event, the specs from the November issues
of AC and AW mention:

 o fully reprogrammable real-time 24/32-bit 16.7 million colour display
 o supports NTSC, PAL, HDTV and D2MAC 
 o Inmos G300 GaAS graphics coprocessor operating at up to 135 MHz
 o 4 MB 20 ns on-board memory
 o programmable screen resolutions of 1024 x 1024 in 24-bit, up to
   5792 x 5792 pixel monochrome
 o Workbench Emulator allows you to open Intuition-based screens in resolutions
   up to 1280 x 1024 
 o bundled with utilities and several 24-bit games
 o TV-Paint software optional
 
System requirements:

   68020+, Zorro II slot, hard drive, 3 MB, AmigaDOS 2.04+

Questions:

 o Does anyone have any background information on Spectronics?
 o How does the Inmos G300 processor compare to others on the market?
 o with on-board VRAM, will the Zorro II configuration restrict throughput?

Looks like the GVP EGS/110 and DMI Vivid 24 has some competition.
From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: So what I'd really like to know is...
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:14:25 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Howdy folks, haven't popped into c.s.a.a in awhile and I thought I'd see
whats news..

Anyways, putting all arguments about the new chipset aside for the moment,
what I'd like to know is: Are we going to see any lower-end machines around
the $1000 range that will possess the new AGA chipset or will all the
machines with it be in the $3000 range?

I ask only because I know I can't swing an A4000 right now so I am hoping
we'll see a lower-cost AGA machine sometime in the not too distant future.
Is such a thing a possibility, and if so, how probable is it?

BTW- To all involved in the making of the new A4000. Congrats! Big Time.
Saw one for the first time the other day and was overwhelmed. You certainly
shut this critic up, but good.


 -- AEd V1.37/Eval

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:26:14 GMT

In <35649@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>From the description of the "audio matrix" it sounds like some analog multiplexing
>of the audio signals.  This suggests that you can combine the DSP and the other
>on-board noisemakers in various clever ways, but the DSP is probably the only on
>that can generate 16-bit audio.

According to what I found in a Falcon description in a German mag this is
the DMA matrix. It acts as a router between the different I/O devices and
has a bandwidth of 1MByte/s.

This can be used to send 16bit digitized sound to a D/A converter by a
DMA channel or by the DSP.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: New Amigas(not 4000)?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:22:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.064459.4884@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
 
>	One problem with the A4000 video ( and I think this is true in
>	the A3000 as well ) is the screen 'jump' around every time the
>	video switches modes.  i.e. you switch from a productivity screen
>	to a low res screen and the picture jumps over a quarter-inch or so.
>
>	I read once that this is a problem with multi-sync monitors.  Does
>	anyone have more info on this?

I'm not certain what causes this problem, but it can be alleviated through
the use of micro-processor based monitors with configurable presets. 
A number of the units based on the Sony Trinitron tube auto-sense the
output frequencies and adjust either to factory or user settings. Because
you can adjust the position and size of the screen, any oddities such as
shifting or scan lines can be eliminated. Many of these monitors also
offer full overscan capabilities as well. The major drawback for the short
term however, is the lack of support for modes < 30 KHz.
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Date: 11 Oct 1992 10:40:42 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Keywords: Reverse Enginneering AGA - can it be done?

In article <u894776.718769940@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>Just because something sells doesnt mean you arent screwing up your future.
>Cheap 386sux clones sell well - this leads the way to a MSDOS/Windows
>damaged future.

But I don't believe that will happen with the Amiga.  Just as you
said, that was more the fault of MSDog/WinDoze than it was the 386sux.
As long as C= adds features that make use of high-end features and
still remain usable and fast on low-end systems, they're okay.  The
selling of a 68000 based system means they have to keep their code
fast, and since future CPU's have MMU's, they should make use of them
on the machines that have them.

They're working hard at doing just that, so I see no problems, and no
parallel with WinDoze/MSDog/386suxes.

:)

>chip ram goes.  I am suggesting every amiga now ships with chip ram *and*
>fast ram.

That doesn't work on low-end systems, where the whole point is to make
the system cheap.

>You bet... when we have VRAM+Chip bus set-up, we will have the most
>awesome [mainstream] computer.

I'd agree, but VRAM doesn't work well with the Amiga's system, or, for
that matter, any bitplane setup.  Maybe in the future, when a
different architecture cancelling bitplanes exists.  However, I happen
to LIKE bitplanes.  :)

>Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.  You must be American - is it too much to
>ask for a system which is *very* usable without mucho disk access.  Try
>using other computers like the Acorn Archimedes - to gain an idea of how
>much this can help the image of a computer - at the low end.

I disagree.  First, rom's can only have so much information in them.
The CGFont engine and ONE CGFont could probably fill an entire 512k
rom.  No, in my opinion, the only thing that belongs in rom is the OS.
Not all of the niceties that go with it.  Eventually, 512k isn't even
going to be enough for the Amiga's OS.  With DIG on the way, 512k is
going to become really small.

The system rom is not the place to put something just so that low-end
users don't have to make disk accesses.

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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.121452.19910@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.014616.4848@cs.olemiss.edu> skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>>Which means that you and all the poor slobs who are buying the cheap-ass
>>clones shouldn't worry about NT.
>
>You can get a "cheap ass" DX2-66 that will probably do a good job with
>NT, especially with VL-bus/accelerated graphics, though I doubt if it
>would be blazing fast.

It is fairly zippy running on a Silicon Graphics machine, though... the 
multitasking still felt a little choppy, but considering the gobs of MP
that's not surprising.  It was still pretty nice to use.

>>  The only way that most Clone users are
>>going to get NT on their machines is by stealing it from work like they
>>do everything else.
>
>How do you pirate a 600MB CD-ROM?

A million floppies... or if your employer is sufficiently cool you burn 
your own CD... NOT.

>Paul
>
>
>-- 
>Paul Secinaro
>pss1@kepler.unh.edu
>Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
>UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


-- 
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  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2MEG CHIP RAM (a problem?)
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:24:47 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

Jerry Shekhel writes:

> Add virtual memory, DIG, and DOS emulation to AmigaOS, and then tell me how
> slim it is.

Err...  For this to be fair, shouldn't you add AmigaDOS emulation to the PC?

-Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@lise.unit.no)
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From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS---
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:10:30 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <Bw05L4.7BJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.220625.4355@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>>In article <al158305.718667385@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:
>[deletions]
>
>This is starting to piss me off.  The main reason why the ST died was
>the fact that it came out too soon.  If I recall, the OS was up-graded
>to version 8.00 before the Amiga's 1.1 was even out. 
Recall as in "make-up-on-the-fly" ?
I think the Atari OS, was for a long time the OS with the WORST upgrade
record. It started with RAM-TOS, then came basically the same TOS in ROMs
(yup bought that). Then two years later or so the MEGA-series came out
with TOS1.2 (still no serious improvement). I think about 3 years ago
when the STE came, we finally got TOS1.4 (the one I am still using) and 
TOS 1.6 for the STE. Last year we had the major change to 2.06, and with the
Falcon it will be 4.0/MTOS.

We are still four numbers below 8.

>ST owners could not even use the software they had after an OS up-grade.
This is just false Amigoid propaganda. Restated several times from several
sources and still a LIE!

>The Amiga won that battle by simply waiting for it to be ready before
>shipping it out the door.
I think the Amiga won the battle on the games market. If you take a look
in Germany on the application software available for the ST, you'd
be thinking this is stuff for the Mac.
 
Nat!
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Ask what you can do for your boyfriend"       
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:46:56 GMT
	<1992Oct6.101609.9282@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<BvrL2o.23y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 18:37:34 GMT

In article <BvrL2o.23y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
|>|>Let's say that you were weaned on an Intel clone.  Now, you're a bigtime
|>mutli platform computer-programmer-god.  Now, you've never seen an Amiga
|>or an ST[e]/TT/Falcon or a Mac before, but you are required to port an app
|>for the machines (so what if it's not realistic :).  Well, you don't know
|>how to take advantage of the features of any of the machines, and common
|>sense doesn't help with totaly unfamiliar archetectures.  Fine, I can just
|>use the Reference Manuals put out by Commodoer with ease, the Manuals for
|>the Mac by Apple, uh, oh, what to do about the ST?  (and nobody say: 'call
|>a hacker!' :)

You could always buy the documentation produced by Atari...
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Struggling trickle-down-economy victim needs free A4000! HELP!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.144834.27483@src4src.linet.org> bill@src4src.linet.org (Bill Lanides) writes:
>In article <music.718640389@batman> music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller) writes:
>><request for virtual funds deleted>
>>*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>>#   export meaning_of_life=$(eval 'grep -i truth mind_of_god | sort -u')  #
>># Work: music@moravian.edu  <#!AMIGA!#>  Home: moravian.edu!vortex!lothar #
>>*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>
>No one wants to know or cares to know your political views.
>You want an A4000?  Great but keep political nonsense out of advocacy.
>
>-- 
>
>      -Bill Lanides-        |  Tracing the lines that god drew...
> -bill@src4src.linet.org-   |  ...all the way back!

Looking at both of your .sigs, I'll also add that you should keep all 
religious nonsense should be kept out of .advocacy.  Not everyone needs
a mythical being to explain away all the mysteries and to provide excuses
for one's mistakes.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu