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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Arrrgh! Grendel
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:43:08 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

To everybody who has emailed me with Grendel info, Thanks. It has been
useful and I'll start to make an attempt to find the TPB's. Yes, thanks
for making my monthly comic bill even higher {sigh}. My local dealer is
calling me the walking power bill. I buy enough in a month to pay for
his power bill. Now *THAT'S* depressing.

Oh, and to everybody who is cursing me for starting this thread (no one
has actually emailed me, but I know they're out there), sorry. After
being here for a few weeks you figured I should have know what would
happen when i posted that query. Ah well. Sue me.

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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Good Week Reviews, 8/22/92: THE SANDMAN 42/Brief Lives 2
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:42:03 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Aug23.014817.8592@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>It's unfortunate that the art, tho good, isn't quite up to the same
>level.  The artists do a good job with face and figure, but a poor one
>with proportion and consistency.  If you go from scene to scene, Lucien
>appears to be various heights and weights.  
>

I'm not so sure that wasn't intentional. After all, this is the _Dreaming_,
the Dreamlands, in other words. Things there aren't guaranteed to
perform "normally". 
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
E-Mail acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil
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From: gls@windmill.att.com (Col. G. L. Sicherman)
Subject: Re: Shuster's rendition
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:41:44 GMT

In <1992Aug14.205052.18666@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc.fluke.COM writes:
> 
> Nevertheless, the S&S (particularly the war years) SUPERMAN was absolutely
> primal stuff.  I look at a Shuster's depiction of the Big Blue Cheese, and I
> think, "Now *there's* a guy who really *is* more powerful than a
> locomotive!"  Not an atom bomb, not a planetary force -- just a dynamo of a
> guy, a Hercules.  Plots were primitive, characterizations are wooden, but
> hey: Superman, under its two originators, had a power that didn't last past
> their run on the book.  ...

Funny -- that's how I feel about the Incredible Hulk.  "Oh no -- it's
happening again! ... Put down those Hostess Fruit Pies or HULK SMASH!"
Now that's primal!

-:-
	"Have you kept UP with military files on the Hulk, General?"
	"Don't have to READ about him to know he's green and stupid, Doctor."
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:13:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <13990@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>	Well, I'm glad to see that you've got a comics collection that
>you could easily liquidate.  However, most people's collection consists
>of 100 issues of filler for each New Mutants #87.  Yes, if you're strapped,
>you could sell that one issue for a boatload, but the rest of the 
>collection is not going to anything.  I don't think for a minute that
>my complete run of Blue Devil is ever going to be valuable.  Heck, I'd
>be _lucky_ to see a quarter for each of them.

This brings up an interesting net.question:

Who else has a complete run (or just a load of issues) of a particular title
that will never be worth a damn thing (at least from a monetary standpoint),
but that you've kept anyway?

I have a complete run of Eclipse's FUSION and a good portion of the ZOT! 
series, in the same boxes with the semi-valuable stuff like a 1st printing
TMNT #2. They're not worth much, but I wouldn't trade 'em for anything. Anyone
else have a "sentimental collection" too?

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:29:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.155804.24296@news.acns.nwu.edu> jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:

>Dave Sim's writing has managed to move me, on numerous occasions, to
>provoke me into emotional response. But never, never before has it
>*shaken* me.

Wow.  I read this Wednesday and had to wait two days until the shops
in D.C. (where I am now) finally got it in.  I have to agree: you were right.

>I mean, I hardly expected to ever see Posey again, much *less* Oscar the
>poet. That was intriguing enough. But Posey's death, and Suenteus Po's
>commentary...and Lord Julius' apparent death...and Cirin's dream....

Well...seeing Oscar didn't surprise me.  Remember, it's been mentioned
in the past that the two Oscars from Melmoth and Jaka's Story weren't
the same person, so I expected the poet to show up at some point.  Posey?
That was a surprise.  And the "death" of Julius...hmm.  Well, Dave's been
known to do things like this before (although Weisshaupt's death was pretty
dramatic).  I don't know what to make of it, so I think I'll await the next
issue (i.e. the easy way out).

Cirin's dream was VERY interesting, but I'm not sure how much of a point
it had besides showing us Cirin without her robes...except to show us that
even Cirin isn't completely sure of her religion.

>And, of course, more rampant symbolism... catch the solar system reference,
>anyone? And the Christ parallels.

I liked the fact that the trial from Church and State has now been explained.
We now know that Cerebus as "Astoria" was Andrena (had this been revealed
before?  I don't remember) and the circumstances around the burning of
Suenteus Po at the time (show, also, in those Church and State issues).

>My only regret is that I have to wait 30 days for the next installment.

Mine, too.

Also, did anyone else catch that those two guys in the bar were (god, I
can't remember their names) Drew Roach (ok, I can remember one of them)
and the other sidekick of the Roach?  I didn't recognize them at first
but their accents (and the hair) gave them away. :-)

One last thing: does the Cirinist set fire to Posey's body or did it
catch on fire by itself?  Furthermore, who is the prisoner who whispers
"Posey! no! NO!"?  It could be Oscar...but I'm not sure.  And how, btw,
should Oscar ever have known Posey?  Coincidence?

Geez.  Too many questions here.  We'll have to wait until the next issue.

--dave
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LSH: New version number wanted
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:32:18 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


	Here's a random thought I had while followup-ing to another post on
the LSH. What would the current "release" of the Legion be, if we were to
follow a scheme similar to software releases?

	Not being incredibly familiar with the pre Vol3 Legion, I'll just
start from the Baxter series and work my way up. Modifications, corrections
are welcome!

	I suggest the version number should start with the volume number,
so the first Baxter issues would be 3.00, then major changes to continuity,
would be 3.10, 3.20 etc, with minor modifications being 3.11 . Let's see
how I do.

	3.0 First Baxter Issues 

	3.1 Crisis 

	3.2 Superboy Retcon

	3.21 Lightning Lad retcon (issue 45)

	3.22 Time Trapper fix (issue 50)

	4.0 "Five Years Later" New version supercedes all previous version,
and fights "look-and-feel" of previous versions. 

	4.1 New timeline that supercedes old, destroyed universe (#5)

	4.2 New LSH universe that replaces version 4.1, many bugs 

	(insert favorite frivolous retcons here)

	4.3 Destruction of the moon?

	(insert more frivolous retcons)

	4.4 (to be released, includes the destruction of the Earth) 



--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:14:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.175006.10910@gca.com> faill@gca.com (Peter Faill) writes:
>In article <BswHLL.72x@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.040403.28897@u.washington.edu> phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu (Phaedrus) writes:
>>
>>>     This really has me curious; what exactly is it about comic book protection
>>>that makes it such a forbidden topic, even among those who do it?
>>
>>Possibly it's because the primary reason for using a bag is to preserve the
>>comic's resale value.  Therefore, if you use one, you seem to be  interested
>>in money rather than reading.  If you'd rather read it than sell it, a bag 
>>just gets in the way. 
>>
>


Well, what do you have to say about car covers and condoms?  ;^}



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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Savoir Faire
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:54:40 GMT

mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
>Who are the coolest characters in comics?  I mean the characters
>who when done right always seem to be in control or to have the
>upper hand?  You know, the one's that make you think, "I wonder

>Vril Dox, although...

Not always when dealing with Lobo...
-- 
Oh no!  You've done it just like I told you!
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 09:41:09 -0400 
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LSH: New version number wanted

>- was coined to refer to "previously unrevealed" history of a character
which was, if 
>not consistent, at least not wildly inconsistent with the history we already 
>know.  The master of this, of course, was Alan Moore,

>Laurel Kent (who had never actually been stated to be a descendant of Clark)
>was a valid retcon in this sense; the Validus origin was a simply brilliant
>retcon....

>Garth was actually Proty!" is another example. [of a patch as opposd to
a retcon]

I beg to differ with you there:  Proty/Garth is definitely a retcon in
the classic sense:In fact, the parallels between Moore's re-tooling of
Swamp Thing is very similar( a person not being what we/they thought
they have been all this time, all previous appearances in tact)


michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Sandman, JSA, etc.
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:15:59 GMT

In article <mxr.714169540@neptune> mxr@neptune.dsc.com (Max "Spectral Hootenanny Honker" Rible) writes:
>>and Lastly, as someone else noted, since their "defeat" at Dream's hands is
>>a forgone conclusion (given that any other result would probably interfere
>>unduly with Gaiman's control of his characters), perhaps the writers just
>>aren't feeling up to going through the motions on this one.  Done with style,
>>it could be interesting and funny, but it wouldn't advance anyone's plots, or
>>serve *any* purpose but to clean up a tiny continuity glitch.
>"If you would do battle with a dreamlord, you shall fight it in dreams..."
>Sandman #7, paraphrased.
>"This is the Heart of the Dreaming...  Reality here conforms to my wishes.
>No more, no less."  Sandman #27, paraphrased.

One problem with the "who'd win" idea is that even with characters of
different power, who'd _really_ win depends on the writer.

This being said, I think there are several ways a writer could _reasonably_
have the JSA defeat Morpheus, and several ways the JSA could be reasonably
expected to try (whether they work or not).  And they haven't tried, though
they should, and a number of other likely events haven't happened, because
Gaiman is unlikely to approve the character use needed for the stories.  In
this sense, Sandman has permanently stained DC continuity in a way that is
impossible to fix.  (This doesn't mean I really want to see the JSA versus
Morpheus.  Better than solving the problem would be not to have it to begin
with.)
--
I am of course experienced in teaching and have read the writings of Socrates.
    -- Ed Nilges

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Demon #28
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:55:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

"Let's look at the *facts*:  While Etrigan was Governor of Hell
there was zero unemployment, *no* new taxes, and *no* prisoner
furglough program..."

I'm having fun with this storyline.  If you like good -- if unsubtle --
political humor, even if you don't read Demon, try issue #26, and if
you like it, read the rest of the storyline.  (The current issue, #28,
is the third of four.)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: A REAL Sandman question (DC:)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:41:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.022524.26554@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, praxis@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura L Perkinson) writes:
> 	OK, Death, Dream, Desire and Despair are drawn as having chalk
> white skin. Destiny, Destruction and Delirium are drawn with normal
> caucasian tones. (This aside from malleable appearances for Dream + Desire)
> 	Is there ANY possible significance to this? Darned if I can figure
> any.

Shot in the dark: Destiny is the first Endless; Destruction, the middle;
and Delirium, the last.  That means Death and Dream are grouped together
on one side, and Desire and Despair on the other.  Having flesh colored
skin may just be an artistic expression of a lack of "partisanship"
or that these characters are literally central to the story (Destruction
is the middle Endless and the center of the story) or literally peripheral
(Destiny and Delirium are the oldest and youngest, and nearly peripheral
to the plot, until _Brief Lives_).

But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

	-dp-

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Worthless (?) comics
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:34:13 GMT
Organization: Inland Sea

Various people whose quotes I can't figure out say:

>>Who else has a complete run (or just a load of issues) of a particular title
>>that will never be worth a damn thing (at least from a monetary standpoint),
>>but that you've kept anyway?

> Marvels _Godzilla_ is the "only" comic I have the complete run of: 12
> whole issues I believe!

Mighty Mouse.  Every issue.  Six?
-- 
 "Voodoun is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
  members of it who are dead."
		-- "Good Omens", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Help:  The DC Earth Scandal.
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:18:37 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	I know that some of you out there claim that the DC earth crisis
is easy to understand, and all, but for me who has only two or three DC
comics in his collection, and the only one who attempted to explain the
crisis stuff to me was a friend a few years back...  AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!
... Needless to say I have no idea how it works.  So is there someone out
there capable of explaining this crisis multi-earth thing to me from the
ground up, because right now it sounds like a bunch of hog-wash!  Perhaps
this is a FAQ.  But I have never experienced the DC comic concept (or at
least had a clue as to how it functioned!)
						wReam...
P.S.  This is Captain CoreDump signing off!

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Comment on Marvel Tendencies from a Marvel Character
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:21:10 GMT

Warning: I will quote an x-book here, but the post has less to do with x-books 
as it does the entire Marvel line.
     In X-Men #13 this week, Nicieza says (via Beast) something that reflects 
to a great extent my dissatisfaction with alot of Marvel's current books.
     "Indeed, far be it from us to actually try and *talk* our way out of this.
Why negotiate a *peaceful* resolution when X-cessive pugilism would suffice 
just as nicely, eh? {proceeds to crack wise in combat, Cyke gets peeved at him}
Sorry, Mon Capitan.  I promise to approach this pointless battle with renewed 
attention and maturity."
     Similar to this is Jean's admonishing Warren last week in Uncanny about 
his hiding behind "cursed evil side" stuff, which is basically Lobdell's 
comment on the ultraviolent character concept that sells so well.
     If writers like Nicieza and Lobdell (who I maintain is a good writer, not 
a "washed up What The reject") can put this kind of criticism of mainstream 
Marvel into their stories, there may be hope for the X-books yet.  Who knows, 
with PAD, Fabe and Lobdell (three of my fave writers, BTW, just so you'll 
*know* I'm biased) at the helms, maybe the X-books will rise out of the fanboy 
ghetto they've languished in and we'll be able to proudly discuss them on 
rac.misc someday.  They'll never be high art, but at least they can be 
high-quality low art (like good quality rap or an excellent sit com)...produced
for the masses, sure, but not pandering to them.
     Dave Van Domelen, metaposting like crazy
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: San Diego Con Horror Story
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:47:42 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <stantbat.714346319@vincent1.iastate.edu> stantbat@iastate.edu (John S Sinnott) writes:
>>The way I see it is in ten years it will be good to look back
>>at these comics we bought and laugh. I didnt by Shadowhawk or
...

>Yea, Youngblood #1 will be worth a fortune, like all of those other 'hot'
>books from yesteryear.  I bought a Shazam #1 for $0.35 and now it's worth
>a whole $2.50!  And it took less than 20 years to get that high.  Or 
>remember Howard the Duck #1??  I still have one I paid $20 for at the peak 
>of it's popularity.  Now it's worth $10!  And remember when it was rumored
>that part of the print run for Miricle Man #1 was damaged?  Boy it's a
>really hot book, guiding at cover price.  Save you Youngbloods.  Someday 
>they might make good kindling.

Well, there's a real difference here, I bought all three of these at cover
price, but only one of each with no thought to what they might be worth.
But the real difference was that I bought because I thought I would like
*readin* them and for no other reason, and I was certainly a fan-boy at the
time.  I can't remember seeing anybody who wasn't a reseller buy
more than one extra copy of anything or paying $20 for anything that was less
than the same number of years in age.  Hell, I still wouldn't pay $20 for a
newer serial, the only difference is it would probably have to be 25 years
or more.  And I'd still have to be interested a great deal in the content,
if it's only nostalgia.  But these kids are creepy junior capitalists without
a clue and their idiocy is beginning to affect titles I do care about.  I'm
not going to be laughing if it this affects what's on the shelves like it
currently looks like it may.  Yeah, the new Vertigo titles may keep me
interested and I already buy more indies than big two, but these kids and
their insanity may ruin what's left of the better-written non-mature DC
titles for me (with a lot of help from the children running DC).  I don't
find that very funny.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Can this world really be as sad as it seems?"
   --- Nine Inch Nails
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu
......................................................................
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:35:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.125816.17927@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>
>For those who say that you can't make quick money from comics, how long
>do you think it would take for me to see FF 66+67 or New Mutants #87?
>Not long, either on the net or here locally.

You probably couldn't get much for NM 87 on the net.  This isn't exactly the
Rob Liefeld Fan Club here. :)
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
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From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Godzilla and Shogun Warriors
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:13:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Aug19.133512.9078@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:

>Still, I was always kind of disappointed that we never got that Shogun
>Warriors-Godzilla crossover. Or better yet, a Godzilla-Shogun
>Warriors-Micronauts crossover. Now that would have been interesting.

Hmm.. Issue number fails me, but I'm certain that in the last dozen issues
of the Fantastic Four *before* John Byrne started his much-acclaimed (and
much deserved) run, there was a two issue story dealing with Godzilla
that had the Shogun Warriors (or at least one of them).

I'm kinda hazy on this, and can't check my back issues easily.  Anyone else
got a better memory of this one?

Eddie Maise   gt5878b@cad.gatech.edu   Serving Donuts on Another Planet
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Sandman #42
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:57:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Mervyn's right.  When the rain falls on the one who controls the
local weather, that's posturing, not pathos.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

  Watership Down:  
  You've read the book.  You've seen the movie.  Now eat the stew!




Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:48:25 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Mantlo(Was Re: Doom Patrol/Incredible...)

>
may have been a Hulk fan.  There is a striking similarity
in an origin retcon Mantlo gave to the Soviet Super Soldiers
appearing in that and the previous issue to that Morrison
>

Has anybody heard how Mr. Mantlo is doing?

--Vernon.
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