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From: pclarkson@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Should women cover their heads?
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Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:29:11 GMT

In article <CHRISTIA%92040810371817@ASUACAD.BITNET>, LOOT@SNYSYRV1.BITNET (ALICE LOO) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>        Last Sunday, the speaker at my church preached on a
>rather controversial topic -- that women should cover their
>heads during worship. His sermon was based on 1 Corinthians
>11:3-16. My pastor apparently believes in this practice, and
>a good proportion of women in my church do cover their heads
>with scarfs, etc. But personally, I'm not convicted to do so.
>How do you interpret this passage? Is covering of heads practised
>in your church? I would very much like to hear your sharing
>on this subject.
>

Alice,

In our church the Spirit has led us to the same practice. The women
wear scarves or a smaller lace covering on their heads. This practice has 
been followed here for many years.

Hope this helps.

In Him.  Peter

PCLARKSON@MTA.CA  (Mount Allison University, Sackville, New Brunswick, Canada) 
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From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Easter bunnies
              Curry-White" at Apr 16, 92 9:31 am

An afterthought from Carol Slingo:  It isn't the eggs I object to as much
as the timing--by putting them up before Easter it's saying, let's
celebrate the season as a secular holiday, not the day itself.  There's so
much emphasis on selling and giving already.
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From:         "Darryl (The Other Brother) Johnson" <DJOHNSON@TCUCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Two different questions

What if the KKK bombs a church that kills children?
     It is illegal to bomb churches, no matter who does it.
     This law exists.
What if the homosexual forces themself on a child?
     It is illegal to "force" yourself on a child.
     This law exists.  No matter who does it.
What if giving all your money to the needy results in the starvation
of your own child?
     It is illegal to deliberately starve your children, no
     matter who does it.  This law exists.
     We need to make BEHAVIORS illegal, NOT hate the people we
     feel are most likely to commit those behaviors.

Abortion is the willfull act of taking a life.  It cannot be
     So is hunting, fishing, capital punishment, war, and
     according to some, contraception.  I think a more
     specific definition is needed.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:50:44 PDT
From:         Doug Gould <5315P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Parable of the Bicycle

With the approach of Easter on my mind, I thought you folks would
appreciate this modern-day parable.

GIVE HIM ALL

     I was sitting in a chair reading.  My daughter, Sarah, who
was seven years old at the time, came in and said, "Dad, can I
have a bike?  I'm the only kid on the block who doesn't have
one."

     Well, I didn't have the money then for a bike, so I stalled
her.  I said, "Sure, Sarah."

     She said, "How?  When?"

     I said, "You save all your pennies, and soon you'll have
enough for a bike."  And she went away.

     A couple of weeks later I was sitting in the same chair when
I heard a "clink, clink" in Sarah's bedroom.  I asked, "Sarah,
what are you doing?"

     She came to me with a little jar, a slit cut in the lid, and
a bunch of pennies in the bottom.  She said, "You promised me
that if I saved all my pennies, pretty soon I'd have enough for a
bike.  And, Daddy, I've saved every single one of them."

     My heart melted.  My daughter was doing everything in her
power to follow my instructions.  I hadn't actually lied to her.
If she saved all of her pennies, she would eventually have enough
for a bike, but by then she would want a car.  I said, "Let's go
look at bikes."

     We went to every store in town.  Finally we found it--the
_perfect_ bicycle.  She was thrilled.  Then she saw the price
tag, and her face fell.  She started to cry.  "Oh, Dad, I'll
never have enough for a bicycle!"

     So I said, "Sarah, how much _do_ you have?"

     She answered, "Sixty-one cents."

     "I'll tell you what.  You give me everything you've got and
a hug and a kiss, and the bike is yours."  Then I drove home very
slowly because she insisted on riding the bike home.

     As i drove beside her, I thought of the atonement of Christ.
We all desperately want the celestial kingdom.  We want to be
with our Father in Heaven.  But no matter how hard we try, we
come up short.  At some point all of us must realize, "I can't do
this by myself.  I need help."  Then it is that the Savior says,
in effect, All right, you're not perfect.  But what _can_ you do?
Give me all you have, and I'll do the rest.

[Quoted from "Believing Christ" by Stephen E. Robinson, _The Ensign_,
April, 1992, pp. 8-9.  Brother Robinson is a professor of ancient
scripture at Brigham Young University.]

With a little encouragement, I'll post the entire article.  Meanwhile,
I trust you join with me in wanting to have the Lord hug and kiss me,
and grant me eternal life.

In His Love,

.+++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
| Doug Gould          | Jesus: "Come unto me...my yoke is easy, |
| 5315P@NAVPGS.Bitnet | and my burden is light." Matt. 11:28-30 |
`+++++++++++++++++++++^+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++'
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:43:00 EDT
From:         Jeff Shirton <SHIRTON@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      on being filled with the spirit
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Greetings!

For the past couple of weeks my pastor has been teaching about being
filled with the spirit, as distinct from initially _receiving_ the
spirit.

Although I tend to believe that one is not automatically _filled_ with
the spirit when it is received, and that God can continue to fill us,
the Biblical support that was given was unconvincing.

The support that my Pastor gave to show believers being "refilled", so to
speak, were:

Peter:

   Acts 2:4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began
          to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them
          utterance.

   Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them,
          Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

   Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where
          they were assembled together; and they were all filled with
          the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with
          boldness.

and Steven:

   Acts 6:3  Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of
          honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we
          may appoint over this business.

   Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up
          stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus
          standing on the right hand of God,

Apparently, my Pastor interprets these successive passages as implying
a repeated action of filling on the believer, while I tend to interpret
them as a repeated description of the same state of the believer,
especially since the passages seem so close together chronologically, and
there's no indication of the believer not being filled inbetween the
references.

Two questions:

1)  In your opinion, which is the more accurate interpretation?

2)  Are there other (and/or better) passages that you know of which
    indicate a believer being "filled" subsequent to initially receiving
    the Holy Spirit?

Thanks in advance for any and all responses!

God bless,
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:29:00 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Pascal's conversion

List Folk:

I came across this in a book called "The Mind on Fire," which is an
anthology of the writings of Blaise Pascal.  I hope it will bless you
as it has me:

THE MEMORIAL

[On a piece of parchment Pascal recorded the decisive experience of 1654
when he was converted.  This testimony was found sewn into his clothing
after his death.  It appears that he carried it with him at all times.]

 Year of Grace 1654

    Monday 23 November, feast of St. Clement, Pope and Martyr, and of
    others in the Martyrology.

    Eve of St. Crysogonus, martyr and others.

    From about half past ten at night to about an hour after midnight.

        FIRE

    "God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob" (Exodus 3:6), not of
 philosophers and scholars.

    Certitude, heartfelt joy, peace.

    God of Jesus Christ.

    "My God and your God: (John 20:17)

    "Your God shall be my God" (Ruth 1:16)
   The world forgotten, everything except God.

   He can only be found in the ways that have been taught in the
      Gospels.

   Greatness of the human soul.

   O righteous Father, the world has not known You, but I have known
   You (John 17:25)

   Joy, Joy, Joy, tears of joy.

   I have separated myself from him.

   "They have forsaken me, the spring of living water" (Jeremiah 2:13).

   "My God, will you leave me?" (cf. Matthew 27:46)

    Let me not be cut off from him for ever!
     "Now this is eternal life:  that they may know you, the only
      true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent: (John 17:3)

      Jesus Christ.

      Jesus Christ.

      I am separated from him; for I have shunned him, denied him,
       crucified him.

     May I never be separated from him.

      He can only be kept by the ways taught in the gospel.

     Complete and sweet renunciation.

     Total submission to Jesus Christ and to my director.

     Everlasting joy in return for one day's striving upon earth.
   "I will not neglect your Word."  (Psalm 119:6).  Amen.  (913-26,61)

 Well, that's it.  I'm not sure what those last numbers mean, but I
    thought it was quite a powerful testimony nonetheless.
                                     Love INC,
                                              ---Kerry
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From:         HANNANT@JII.AFRC.AC.UK
Subject:      UPrayer Request

All,
    This might not get to the list on time but here goes.  I have just been
phoned up and told that I have got an interview this afternoon for a job.
This might not sound much for a request for prayer but I feel and know it is
important.
    I have been stuck in a job going no where for the last four years.  I have
made loads of attempts to get out but everyone ending in me not getting an
offer, or me turning down the offer because it didn't fit in/feel right,
does that make sense ?  It doesn't to me !  Anyway I have already got a place
at a local college to do a Media course but because I left school to work at
16 the level I would be going in at is school leaver.  Could be tough now that
I am 21.  Any way I have been praying the Lord would show me His will in my life
and a couple of weeks ago, after earnestly praying for guidance, I came into
work and the librarian told me about a job going in there department.  She said
that she thought of me when putting up the add, she is not a christian.  It
is a different tack to what I thought my career was going to be, the post is
for a permanent computer operator who is prepared to manage the book intakes,
involving a lot of personal contact, this is very different form my present
job as a photographic assistant.
This job would be an ideal position to witness my way of life and to meet a
lot of new people, this would also mean that I would still be able to attend
the Christian Fellowship group the Lord urged me to start here and I would
also receive college training on day release.  ( Sounds like the Lord has
thought of everything ! )
    Please pray for me at this afternoon.  The interview is at 2.00pm British
Summer Time.  I know this message has got to whiz round the network to make
a lot of terminals in the short time but I pray the Lord will see that it
does.  Pray the Lord will show me His will in this situation.
    God bless you all, Nigel.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:13:38 CST
From:         CXKJP%UTXDP.bitnet@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject:      RE:dominoes

Darryl-

  You call this a 'domino  theory', but I see it more as a
'foot in the door' situation, or more likely, 'give 'em an
inch and they'll take a mile'. I just dont trust my gov't
or the people in the local church. Granted, I base this on
my experiences living in a small town where the people were
hard, unforgiving, and just plain scary. Maybe this is one of
those "truths" that is true for me but not you. Just kidding--
I agree with - well, whoever said it-- that it takes more faith
to say "I dont know" than to claim knowledge of the truth.

Kim
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From:         "Jeff Sinatra" <BSC92SPA18@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Jeff Sinatra and The Fall...
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The Nuzz,
N>The concept of the fall permeates the Scriptures.  It is the reason that
N>Jesus came; the nature of man hand been corrupted by the effect of sin...

Immortality cannot be "corrupted" by mortality, for immortality has no
cognizance of mortaity, Truth has no cognizance of error.  Mortals may believe
themselves to be imperfect and seperate from God, but the mortal man will
disappear to the degree in which immortality becomes apparent.  As man's
immortal nature dawns on human, mortal consciousness, the physical will yield
to the spiritual, and we will see ourselves as God has created us--perfect and
immortal.  "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but
they have sought out many inventions." (Ecc. 7:29) You articulated one of these
"inventions" when you stated, "By our nature we are children of wrath, sons of
the devil."  It is these kinds of beliefs that attempt to warp reality, and
combine the man of God's creating with mortality--"...the children of wrath..."
By identifying man as mortal, and of the flesh, you have perverted the message
of the Scriptures--there is a great gap between the man of God's creating and
the so-called mortal man.  Like the tares and the wheat, they never conjoin,
but grow wholly seperate from one another until there differences slowly become
clear, and mortality is burned--returned to nothingness. Indeed, "God hath made
man upright;..." but the mortal man is not this man, the mortal man is the
enemy that continues to sow tares in God's field, fortunately, the tares have
no effect on the growth and development of the wheat.  The time will come when
man's immortality will become apparent, but "patience must have her perfect
work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing."(Jas. 1:4)

				love,
				  Jeff Sinatra
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Contraception == abortion? (was Re: re:pro-choice)

Urban Research Institute
Phone: 502-588-6626

Kurt:
>However (as I understand this, please correct me if I am wrong), the birth
>control pill causes the menstrual cycle to persist even after implantation
>of a fertilized egg in the uterus, causing it to be flushed out just as so
>many other blastocysts are.

There may be some pills that do this, I don't know.  But my understanding
of what we commonly refer to as THE birth control pill (of which there are
still many varieties), is that the pill works to PREVENT ovulation.  No
egg is released as would be the natural sequence of events, so no egg can
be fertilized.  Women on birth control pills take a monthly sequence of
them, with varying proportions of estrogen and progesterone, so that although
ovulation does not occur, menstruation still does.  Birth control pills
fail when they are UNSUCCESSFUL at preventing ovulation.  That is, ovulation
occurs.  Pregnancy may ensue, at which time women are advised to stop
taking the pills, or the woman may miscarry if she does not suspect
pregancy and stop in time.  I do know someone who was conceived while
his mother was on the pill.  She stopped, and he turned out just fine.

There is a problem with birth control pills that I don't feel doctors make
clear to women who want to take them.  There is so much emphasis on taking
the pills to prevent pregnancy that doctors sometimes forget that a woman
may one day WANT to become pregnant.  The problem is that when a woman is
on the pill, the pill provides the monthly proportions of hormones such
that the woman's natural system tends to shut itself off (from what I've
read about this anyway--can cite a source if you like).  Very young girls
who begin taking the pills before their bodies are fully mature may find
that their bodies have to start from where they left off in the maturation
process once pills are discontinued, thus delaying pregnancy.  Likewise,
mature women who stop taking pills sometimes find that their own hormonal
systems do not naturally start back up again, and ovulation may not
recommence immediately.  I am speaking from experience.  After 1 1/2 yrs
on birth control pills my husband and I tried for another year and a half
to become pregnant.  In fact, the day before I was to report for
an appointment for infertility treatment, I found out I was pregnant.
But some women may find that they must undergo treatments with fertility
drugs to get ovulation to recommence.  I call this "jump starting the
hormones."

I'm not in a medical field, so I may be oversimplifying.  But in my own
search to determine why my body was so messed up after taking the pills,
this is what I found out.  If there are other pills that do work as
abortifacients, I don't know about them.

Brenda
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From:         The Nuzz <V063KC44@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Jeff Sinatra and spiritual death...

Jeff Sinatra writes...

js> To me, there is no such thing as "spiritual death."  Man is eternal
js> because he has been created in the "image and likeness" of God.(Gen.
js> 1:27)

     While man was created in the image of God, in holiness and in purity,
     man fell and did not remain in the image and likeness of God.

     As for the spiritual death....

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that
believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me
free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell
in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal
bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Ephesians 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and
sins;

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with
Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of
your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all
trespasses;

(quickened means to be made alive)
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From:         The Nuzz <V063KC44@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Jeff Sinatra and The Fall...

Jeff Sinatra writes...

N>While man was created in the image of God, in holiness and in purity, man
N>fell and did not remain in the image and likeness of God.

>The image of God, is an expression of God.  Our very identity reflects God--God
>is Spirit and we are spiritual, God is Love and we are living, God is eternal
>Life and we are living.  There is a unity that exists between God and man that
>absolutely nothing can destroy--"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor
>life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor
>things to come, Nor hight, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to
>separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."(Rom 8:38)

        The quote is written to saved believers in Rome. And it states
that nothing can separate us from the love of God, *Not* that nothing
can take us away from the first estate that we were created in.

>The fall is a belief that somehow we are seperate from God, that somehow we
>can act independently of God--be seperate from God.  The concept of "the fall"
>was exactly what Christ Jesus came to destroy in order to redeem the sinners.

        Th concept of the fall permeates the Scriptures. It is the
rason that Jesus came; the nature of man hand been corrupted by the
effect of sin...

Ecclesiates 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright;
but they have sought out many inventions.

Genesis 6:5-6 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the
earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only
evil continually.  And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the
earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Genesis 6:11-12 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was
filled with violence.  And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was
corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death
by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in
the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;
and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

By our nature we are children of wrath, sons of the devil.

[...mbe quotes deleted...]
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