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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Prowrite vs. Final Copy II
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:53:48 GMT
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Jake Rose (jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu) wrote:

: Aside from that, and Final Copy's even-less-standard interface (it looks
: sort of like they tried to make it look like a NeXT, only the resolution's
: lower, so all the gadgets are just huge)

Are we talking 640x400 here? Just wondering.

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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Looking for a word processing software
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:47:43 GMT

In article <43173@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb) writes:
>In article <C0Gu0H.7LI@news.cs.andrews.edu> adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan06.205503.2004@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> shorio@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Shigenori Horio) writes:
>>>Hi, I am looking for the word processing software to write my masters thesis
>>>on my Amiga 3000.  Since my paper is going to have many math equations, I need
>...
>>>I think my options are:
>>>
>>>1. PageStream
>...
>>>2. Amiga Tex
>>>	I have never used Tex program. Writing more than 100 pages document in
>>>Tex is going to be hell.
>>
>>Amiga Tex is my suggestion for you.  It wont be that bad writing 100 page
>>document in Tex.  The hardest part is setting up the page to make it look
>>the way you want it to look, but you only do that in the beginning of the
>>document and not very many times within the document.  
>...
>I'll toss in another vote for AmigaTeX.  What you want to do is
>exactly what TeX is made for.  It actually won't be dificult to "set
>it up" like you want it to look because you won't have to.  I am
>certain that somewhere in the univerty there is a predefined thesis
>style to use with LaTeX. 

  Especially if your university already has a latex .sty file
  for your thesis format.  That alone should make you want to learn
  and use LaTeX.  You might be able to find over ftp some of the
  more major university thesis styles.  

  I used LaTeX for my thesis and passed the thesis secretary on the
  first try.  I would hate to have to sit their with PageStream or
  ProPage and muck with the margins and header, footer, foot-note,
  equation styles all by myself and end up having to re-do the whole
  thing because the thesis secretary rejected it!


>You won't have to think about it at all.
>This is especially true for equatins - I've seen so many WYSISYG
>equations (that peaple have spent hours trying to arange and size
>things) that look really goofy.  With TeX or LaTeX it's either
>perfect, or it's wrong.  with even a _little_ practice, you can be
>whipping out sexy (in the eye of the beholder) equations with out
>thinking about it.  Anyone who can balance paren's and brackets will
>do splendidly.
>
>Also, the AmigaTeX is a _great_ rendition -- the previewer is a
>dream.
>

  Wish I had AmigaTeX back then.  I had to work on a vt100 using
  "vi"!  No previewer so we wasted a lot of trees...

  Good Luck, Clare
From: ccocstt@prism.gatech.EDU (Dr.Love)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Where is ProWrite 3.3 -> 3.3.1 patch?!
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:13:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Where can I find the patch to make ProWrite use 256 colors like
on an AGA machine?!  I've got version 3.3, and it doesn't do 256 colors.
But in AmigaWorld, they show version 3.3.1 with a AGA picture in the
document...

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From: mengwong@world.std.com (Meng W Wong)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: 3 Re: AAA Lithium batteries with the HP-48SX
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:23:29 GMT

In article <2b500d1d.2539.6comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> akcs.jwtrav@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (John Wettroth) writes:
>>what good would -40c batteries do in a calc with lcd...
>Good point Steve.  I design a lot of military equipment with LCD's.  You
>can design LCD's that work at such temps but the 48 display would
>probably go away at zero c or so.  I'll modify my last post to say that
>they are totally useless.

Followup note: I was using the HP in Beijing last week, where the air
temp was around 3 C; the display was somewhat reddened, but the redness
disappeared when it was switched on.  Apart from that I didn't notice any
difference.  Is this a well-known phenomenon, or just a quirk?
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From: mware@wrdis01.af.mil (TSGT MARIO D. WARE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP28S AND MANUALS FORSALE
Keywords: which one is overall the best
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:07:46 GMT
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

HP28S (like new condition) forsale, asking $95 obo please contact Judson
Bennett at e-mail address below.

email jbennett@wrdis01
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Entry points
Date: 08 Jan 93 02:56:22 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
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NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-19.hut.fi
In-reply-to: mheiskan@hut.fi's message of 08 Jan 93 01:20:02 GMT


In article <MHEISKAN.93Jan8032002@lk-hp-19.hut.fi> mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen) writes:

>In article <2b4c89aa.2581.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson) writes:

>>For a listing of Hp supported and non-HP supported entry points with some
>>explaination of their functionality, get ahold of the "entries" lists
>>compiled by Mika Heiskanan.  Last time I looked, the latest entries lists
>>were available via ftp to seq.uncwil.edu in the hp48/Uploads directory. 
>>If they are not there, hunt around at seq.  Or maybe someone can give you
>>more direction...Mika???

Update is now in /Uploads/entries.tar.Z, but will probably be soon moved to
/hardware replacing the old version.

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From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: differential eq, TASC and SonderKit
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:19:42 GMT

	Yeah, that's right, more questions coming up:)
	1)  HP48SX can't solve a differential equation?!  I looked
over the manual and it didn't mention anything about it...:(
	2)  About the TASC file in seq.uncwil, is it just a normal
executalbe pc file or do I have to use a C ASCII complier to make
a exe file? (oh, no, what a shame, I don't know how to use C:)
	3)  I DL the sounderkit few days ago.  What I don't get is
this:  How are you suppose to know the frequency of a certain sound?
I mean, if you are try to generate a laser sound, how do you know
which frequency you should set to get the right sound?  Please don't
tell me that "just keep try":)  I mean, is there a reference book
that actually tells you that what frequency are coresponding to a
certain sound?  Furthermore, does anyone know how did those
guys in France got the music working?  From the back of my head, I 
remember in my physics class that a melody C is=a certain frequnency,
is that the way they did it?  Also, in case anyone DL the 12K axel.dig
file(in seq.uncwil.edu in case you don't know), do you know why it
takes like 12k while the music max?? in the file je? 7(a file that's
in FRANCE directory contains 7 neat programs, try it) is longer and
only takes 4k?  Is it because axel.dig is really "Digtialized"?
Sorry for my poor knowledge, but I had never understood what's
digtialized sound really mean.
	All comments are appreicated, thank you!
				Ming
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Arkanoid and Libraries: what to do ?!
Message-ID: <2b4cd040.2593.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

1)  Recall the library to the stack
2)  type 0 STO
3) turn your calc off and then on and it should attache itself
4)  Press left-shift LIBRARY to see if its there

bye
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: smburke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean M Burke)
Subject: HP48 version J
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp48
Summary: It's here.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:19:12 GMT

My roomate just recently purchased a HP48, and low and behold, it's the 
rumored version J!  

Now, does anyone know what the differences between this version and the 
lowly version E that I and most of the rest of us have?

Also, what happened to versions F-I? =)

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From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Running Library from User Keyboard
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp48
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:10:54
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
NNTP-Posting-Host: miser.uoregon.edu
In-reply-to: smburke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:29:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.052924.25327@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
smburke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean M Burke) writes:

   Is there any way to "execute" a library from a user key?  I'm would like to 
   put the "sched" library on a key, but I can't find a way to do it.

You can bring up the library's menu easily.  Each library has a
menu ID equal to its library ID.  For example, to bring up the
MLDL library's menu, just execute "1092 MENU".

To execute a library command in a custom menu or key, just place
the command name in program quotes and include it in a menu list
or assign it to a key, as in "\<< MLDB \>> 52.3 ASN".
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From: chris@luchs (Christian Forst)
Subject: Re: TDS 512K Card
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:02:17 GMT

Hase s/o tried out the 'COPYRAM' program that comes with the TDS bankswitch
cards (bankswitch version 2.2) ? I tried it once, the calculator worked for
hours with no result, I stoped the copying with the ATTN-key and afterwards
I got an 'invalid card data' on the SOURCE (!) card. I copied from one
independent RAM card to another independent one (both switchable TDS
cards).

	Christian
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From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: QED 1.09 on seq.uncwil.edu
Message-ID: <2b51b94d.2577.5comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Thanks for the info on QED.  Boy do I feel foolish...LHARC, huh?  Now it
seems to be working fine.  (blush...blush)

Bill Levenson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Subject: Re: Rev J Update
Reply-To: mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:21:09 GMT


In article <2b52a3f9.2643comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn) writes:

>Who will be the first person to extract the Rev J's EquationWriter
>improvements and create an EQWJ.LIB as a Rev E "upgrade"?

The rev E EqWr takes ROM addresses 66000-70000. I suspect HP hasn't just
rewritten some important entries in ML so porting to rev E could turn out to
be a big job.


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From: scratchy.caltech.edu!nathan (Nathan Mates)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Pinout from HP48 -> Mini 8
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:44:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: milhouse.caltech.edu
Originator: nathan@milhouse

I'm a college student looking for a cheaper way of connecting my HP48SX
to my computer, an Apple IIGS, and would like to know the proper pins for
connecting it to the mini-8 (like a newer Mac) serial connection in back.
I looked in both parts of the FAQ, but couldn't find it there. If
possible, please send the pinouts to me via email, as I don't check up
on this group too often...

Thanks in advance.

Nathan Mates
nathan@cco.caltech.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu (Gerald George Marfoe)
Subject: 48SX-to-Mac interface questions
Keywords: 48SX, Mac LC II, Serial Interface Kit
Reply-To: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:26:05 GMT

Hi folks, I just got my HP-48SX with a Mac serial port cable yesterday from
Elek-Tek. 

I ordered the Mac serial port cable without realizing that I'd need the
software for the Mac. Do I have to purchase the complete Serial Interface Kit
for the Mac, or can I get the necessary software by ftp, and if so, where?
Should I use the modem port or the printer port for the Mac serial cable 
interface to my 48SX?

Can VersaTerm PRO for the Mac be used with the HP-48SX for the Kermit file
transfer sessions?

Please excuse my ignorance - I'm barely a novice on the 48SX.

Thanks in advance,

Gerald Marfoe
gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu

P.S. If anybody wants, I'll post a summary of the replies I get.
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From: vyainsm@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Sean Vyain)
Subject: HP48 <-> PC problems
Keywords: serial cable
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:16:00 GMT

	Hi!  I realize that the answer to my question has probably been
posted in the last couple months, but I can't find it anywhere at seq.uncwil.
I have a homemade hp48 to DB-25 serial connector.  The cable has been tested
with my hp48 and another IBM PC clone, and it DOES work (used mskermit 312).
I am, however, having trouble with my current setup:

	Tandy 1200HD (pause to let laughter and catcalls die down)
	"new" serial card configured as COM1, IRQ4, at \x03f8
	Have kermit and procomm

I can put the PC into a terminal mode and type strings that the hp48 will
receive through the sequence: BUFLEN DROP SRECV.  When the hp48 is in server
mode it will accept a FINISH command from the PC, but the PC hangs as if it is
waiting for an acknowledgement of the FINISH command.  I tried using XMIT to
send a string from the hp48 to the PC.  The hp48 claims successful transmission
(it returns 1 to the stack), but I get nothing on the PC end.
	I suspect that I need to tie some pin on the PC end to ground or +5V,
but I don't remember which one.  Right now TX is going to RX and vice versa, and
the signal grounds and chassis grounds are connected.  Also, the hp48 passed the
serial loop-back test.

	Any/All help welcome

	Sean Vyain
	vyainsm@cs.purdue.edu
From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: hp48's appt prog
Message-ID: <2b49dd8a.2558.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Regarding the HP APPT program:  I think it can be found via ftp to
hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com.  This is the HP BBS ftp area and most (if not all) the
stuff published by HP (public domain, that is) can be found there.

If your looking for something a lot smaller, faster, but with a subset of
HP's features and a few that HP's APPT doesn't have, I wrote a program
called SCH48 that might serve your purposes.  It displays a calender an a
time line indicating the blocks of time taken up by appointments.  I have
recieved good reviews from other people as well as some suggestions for
improving it (which I will eventual get around to).  SCH48 v1.2 can be
found on the HP BBS, or via ftp to seq.uncwil.edu in these directories:
hp48/comp.sources.hp48/volume07 or
hp48/Uploads (last time I checked)

I hope this helps!

Bill Levenson

P.S.  The HP APPT program takes up so much space mostly because it is
written in user RPL.  It also has some unnecessary (at least to me)
features that eat a lot of memory.  User RPL also makes APPT a bit slow. 
SCH48 is written in sys-RPL (with a little ML) and is much faster and
smaller (~3k).
From: akcs.ejf@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Ed Fasula)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:40:01 GMT
Subject: Re: J is for Joke...
Message-ID: <2b50aa08.2612.3comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

I don't get why people think the equation writer is useless...it saves me
time correcting stupid mistakes.  It's not THAT slow if you use the
solver menu to avoid the \Ga switches and don't edit there-yah the editor
is amazingly useless.
From: jboleman@ub.d.umn.edu (Jeffrey K. Boleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP 48 LX ?!?!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:38:14 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu


In response to the question on the 48 LX:

Wait until the HP48 MX comes out.  The MX is for moto cross
and this model is specifically designed for the off road!!!

Coming soon to a dealer near you.
For more info call 1-800-GULLIBLE.

Big huge smiles :)

JB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: SounderKit for hp48
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:10:50 GMT

ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) writes:
: Please be more specific.  Do you mean that it creates sound objects
: playable by the SOUNDER sound player?
: 
: If that's the case, then I would be _very_ interested to see it.

I downloaded it (had to use FIXIT on the uuencoded version), and it does
what it says!  Yes, it does create sound objects playable by SOUNDER.  Neat!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: smburke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean M Burke)
Subject: Increasing IR reception distance
Summary: Can it be done.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:05:58 GMT

I was just playing around with the improved Tricorder programs, I was thinking
"boy these are neat, but it's a shame they only work a couple of inches away
from the calc"  

So, here's the question.  I know hp intentionally made the IR reception poor
on the 48 to appease professors and whatnot.  What I'd like to know, is 
what part of the system decreases the performance.  Is it the receiver itself,
or is there a resistor in series with it?  Is there any way to improve the IR
reception on the 48?


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From: akcs.mmorgan@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Captain Morgan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: calculator calble
Message-ID: <2b495d28.2557.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Go to Radio Shack, buy a socket for a 741 op amp, cut it in half and
you'll have a connector for the calculator.  However, you will have to
bend your pins ever so slightly--it's not very much, but be careful.

Mike
M00012@KANGA.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
From: z_stjohnjv@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: BBS/List Server?
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:45:13 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I have written several applications for the HP48 dealing with organic chemistry
and some of its reactions and I would like to post them for other chemists to
use and/or modify.  Are there any other BBS systems besides the HPCVBBS?  Also
is there a list server dealing with the HP48 which I could subscribe to?

Thank You

John St. John
Z_StjohnJV@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Chemistry Undergrad but soon to be grad student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kst@telesoft.com (Keith Thompson @pulsar)
Subject: MOD bug in revision A
Organization: Alsys Group, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:56:47 GMT

I've run across a minor bug involving the MOD operator in revision A of
the HP48.  It isn't in the official list of bugs from HP, nor do I
recall seeing it mentioned anywhere else.  It doesn't show up on my
friend's revision B.

The problem is that when a MOD expression whose right operand is a
number with a leading decimal point is converted to a string, no space
is inserted after the MOD.  The right operand is then joined with the
word "MOD", typically resulting in a syntax error.

For example:

You enter	Display
---------	-------
'X' .1 MOD	'X MOD.1' (should be 'X MOD .1')
->STR		"'X MOD.1'"
OBJ->		OBJ-> Error: Invalid Syntax

If you go into the equation writer instead of entering the ->STR and
OBJ-> commands, the expression becomes 'X*MOD.1', where MOD.1 is
interpreted as an identifier.

I ran across this when I tried to edit a program containing an
expression of the form 'X MOD .1'; I have to manually insert a space
every time I edit the program.
-- 
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