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From: parker@stoli.sw.stratus.com (Dennis Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:27:51 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <6781@transfer.stratus.com>, kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> My mid-80's copy of Chapman's (in the chapter on weather) defines
|> the earths atmosphere as a blanket of gases surrounding the
|> Earth consisting mostly of Oxygen and Carbon-Dioxide:-)
|> 
|> 

Sorta makes you reluctant to follow Chapman's advice on lightning 
protection, doesn't it? (Several months ago, someone quoted this book
as an authority on the subject, in disagreement with someone else who 
was quoting a text on electro-magnetic theory. Idunno, maybe the lack
of nitrogen changes the nature of static discharge :-)


-- 
Dennis Parker          parker@stoli.sw.stratus.com
Stratus Computers    
Marlboro, MA, USA   
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From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:50:04 GMT

In article <50700044@hpscit.sc.hp.com> rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) writes:
>I've heard that owners of very loud boats have a psychological
>need to be noticed;  based on low self esteem or some such...
>Apparently it's the same for those with loud motorcycles,
>loud cars.  Any psychologists out there who can confirm or
>refute?

Was this blatent flame-bait really neccessary?

Don
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From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Novice boaters
Keywords: Stupid Ignorant Beginners Novice
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:48:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.222935.37712@watson.ibm.com> walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson) writes:
>I've never had to wait for a bridge to open. Would one consider dropping an anchor for a few minutes?
>(with a small scope) Or is that too "uncool"? Or too impractical?

Not practical nor safe.  The channels under bridges
are often deep -- the restricted area you could swing
in would preclude the scope you would have to let out.

It would also endanger other traffic, not to mention
that it would also be illegal.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!

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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Loud Ferries
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:59:15 GMT

In article <28SEP199213173799@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:
>This year (last year?) we acquired a high-speed catamaran ferry service 
>from Vancouver to Victoria. I can hear them coming 5 miles away downwind - 
>much further than any other commercial traffic, or any pleasure boats that 

I recently saw (and heard) something like this here in NYC.  It was
incredibly noisy, easily heard several miles away and, if I recall
correctly, had "Delta Shuttle" painted on it.  It's probably nice for
the people who are jetting around but unfortunate for thousands of
others, but, hey, they're not important because they don't pay.  

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Summary: Catalina decks cored with plywood
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:59:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <BvHHoE.2tC@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> stefan@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Stefan Mochnacki) writes:
>
>In Ontario, C30's sell for quite a high price, mainly because of exchange,
>duty and the GST adding 50% or more to US prices (and that's before
>the Provincial Sales Tax of 8% is added on top of all that). However,

   This is interesting, as one of Catalina's virtues here in the US is
low cost.

>* I would be interested to hear comments about the deck construction, which
>  I have been told (by the local dealer ...) contains no balsa core. I have
>  looked at a lot of boats with balsa cored decks, and have seen too many
>  with cracks and delamination. For example, C&C 27's and 30's, which are
>  beautiful boats though a bit cramped for what I want, often have deck 
>  problems. (However, if I can't close a deal on a Catalina 30, I'll probably
>  buy a C&C 30...).

   All Catalina decks are cored with plywood, which makes for a sandwich
structure of high compressive strength that, in theory, requires no back-
ing plates (I still recommend them to people, though). Catalina decks are
very strong, but suffer the same possibility of delamination as a balsa
cored deck. You fix them in the same way.
   One problem with the plywood core deck is that the fibers of the wood
are in the plane of the deck rather than perpendicular to it. This means
that water will migrate through the wood if allowed into the deck much
more than it will with balsa coring. This means you have to be even more
careful about deck leaks with a plywood core than with a balsa core. Food
for thought.
   If C&C 30's of comparable age and condition were cheaper in my local
area than Catalina 30's, I would be inclined to buy the C&C. This from
a satisfied Catalina 27 owner. C&C has the reputation of being a better
boat. Maybe C&C, a Canadian product, suffers from an image problem in
its own domestic market as so many American products do in theirs...
   Regarding surveying the prosoective C-30 purchase, the thing to do
is get in contact with the C-30 class Assn and buy their technical book.
It costs $25.00 US and runs to over 300 pages. Every problem ever 
encountered by a C-30 owner, and his solution, are probably there. Go
to a Catalina dealer and pick up a Mainsheet Magazine for the address,
or e-mail me and I will send it to you. (I don't have it handy or I'd
put it here)

************************************************************************
                                         Wayne Simpson, Technical Editor
(insert standard                         National Catalina 27 Association
        disclaimer here)                 wms@spin.ho.att.com
                                         (908) 949-0482
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Subject: RE: lake Powell 
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:41:45 MDT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct5.120234.5128@dbsun.uucp>, meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer) writes:
|>
|>Hi all.  I followed the Lake Powell thread of last week with great interest.
|>Just based on the glowing messages here our family and some friends have
|>decided to seriously look into vacationing on a houseboat there next summer.
|>
|>Can anyone give us phone numbers etc. of marinas that rent houseboats?
|>I plan to write/call the Utah tourist bureau for general information
|>but don't know if they have that kind of commercial information available.
|>
|>Also, what are the best times of the year to go there?  Hot enough to
|>enjoy swimming during the day and cool at night would be perfect.
|>Being from the midwest (and having no western experience) does the Lake
|>Powell region see wide temperature swings day-to-night?
|>

Sorry about wasting the bandwidth but my mailer blow up on Don's address.

Maybe I can help.  I spent a few days at Powell this summer.  I didn't
use a house boat but I can give you a clue as to the weather and a phone
number or two.

weather and water:
  spring: warm (60's - low 80s') days, cool (50's - 60's)nights, cool to
          cold water
  summer: HOT (high 90's - low 100's) days, warm (70's) nights,
          warm water.
  fall:   hot days (high 80's low 90's), nights (60's 70'), warm water.

  Since Lake Powell is in a desert humidity is not a problem ( < 20% ).

  In late summer and fall there tend to be thunder storms but the clouds 
  and rain are a welcome respite from the sun and heat and seldom last
  long.

  The above is from memory.

People:
  Lots of people in the summer.  People say that fall is the best time to
  visit lake Powell.  I have only been there in the summer.  Great good time!

Phone numbers:
  South Section Canyon Lands Travel Region, Utah; (801) 587-2231
    Includes lake powell
  Glen Canyon national Recreation Area (Lake Powell), Arizona; (602) 645-2471
  Lake Powell Del Webb Reservations, Utah; (800) 528-6154
    No connection, no endorsement, just found them in the phone book.

Other places to see (info, Canyon lands Travel Region and Glen Canyon Nat
    Rec Area):
  Close depending on where you are on the lake;
    Zion National park
    Bryce canyon national park
    Arches nation Monument
  Farther away;
    Grand Canyon
  And Much more.

Utah with a population of 2.5 million had 10 million visitors to our parks
this year.  Most of those during the summer.

Doit, you will have a great time.
--
Hal Lynch

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
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From: dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker )
Subject: Re: What about someone like Julia? (was: "Maiden Voyage")
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:37:29 GMT

>
>Yes, I was rooting for Tanya as I read the installments in Cruising
>World, but I agree with the Wayne's opening statement too:  She set
>off largely unprepared, taking an "I'll worry about it later" attitude
>toward a number of important things.  So how come she's a heroine when
>someone like Julia Hazel goes largely unnoticed?  Julia is an
>Australian woman who built her own sloop (Jeshan) and has been sailing
>all over the world for the past 10+ years.  She submits an occasional
>article to Cruising World also, usually writing about some new place
>she's visited.  One article was about sailing up the Siene, right into
>the heart of Paris.  Another time, it was an unplanned call to the US
>(NC or VA) coast to make repairs.  She refers to herself as a writer
>and writes about the places she goes and things she sees.  The sailing
>(although I'm sure she must love to sail) is taken for granted, it's
>incidental to her stories.  No one makes a fuss.
>
>-billp
>
	I would guess that Tania's notoriety had a lot to do with
	two things: 1) her age, 2) her father.

	At the time, she was the youngest person (claimed anyway)
	and women, to sail around the world, solo. And, although she
	never really talks about it in the book, I imagine her
	father had a lot to do with promoting the trip. After all,
	he was very outgoing, adventurous, and the trip was his
	idea and he probably wanted to get as much publicity out of it
	as possible. Tania made an appearance on the Today show
	the day she left, and I'm sure her father had a lot to do
	with setting that up. (If I remember, she was on "Late Night"
	after she got back, too.)
	
	So maybe it really isn't fair that she received so much 
	attention when other women do similar things. (Like the
	women who sailed in the single handed Transatlantic race, 
	for instance.) But that's the way the ball rolls, as they say.

						Dave
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: looking for a formula for computing tides.
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:53:55 GMT

Tide tables are certainly calculated using numerical methods to obtain a best
fit curve to observed (ie: previous) tidal heights, but from memory the
equation used by the Hydrographic office here in the UK uses approximately 60
terms, so computing the tides based on previous observations would be a
non-trivial task. Also, it wuld take a long time tapping in all those old
figures...

What *is* useful; is the rule of twelfths which states that in the first hour
after a high (or low) water, 1/12 of the tidal range flows out (or in); in the
2nd hour 2/12; in the 3rd hour 3/12; in the 4th hour 3/12; in the 5th hour
2/12, and in the final, 6th hour 1/12. A tide is assumed to be 12 hours. This
would be simple to program, but to be useful you need to know the approximate
height and time of the last and next high (low) and low (high) water. A better
approximation can be obtained in most places using a sine-wave approximation
to the tidal height profile. Again, you need to know the times and heights
(approx) of the last and next high (low) and low (high) waters. I did this
recently when I was caught out without tide tables in the office and neededto
know the heights of tides at various times, urgently. It worked quite well.

Roger Hare.
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Launch Ramp Funniesex
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:39:51 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


   During the Minneapolis Aquatennial many years ago, the local
   TV station was doing a bit about boat safety and the subject
   was the care needed when water skiers are around.  The boat
   driver was going to demonstrate what not to do, and steered
   his boat between the water skier and the tow boat.

   Of course.  The water skier (in on the demo) flipped his 
   tow rope up and over the boat as it went through.  Yes,
   it caught the driver under the armpit and flipped him 
   neatly out of the boat...which continued unimpeded up onto
   the shore and into a small crowd of spectators...

My boat has a kill switch, which you're supposed to attach to the driver.
If the drive falls away from the steering wheel and controls, it pulls
out and shuts off the ignition.  Whenever I'm standing and driving or
sitting on top of the seat while cruising slowly, I wear this.  It
has saved my life once so far, when I accidently brushed the throttle
with my knee and the accelleration knocked me away from the controls.
The boat came to a complete stop in seconds and no harm was done.
I can only imagine what would have happened if I had been knocked
unconscious and did not have this feature.  Also, I drive my boat this
way in close quarters...

I can't understand why they do not make this standard equipment on all
boats (perhaps they do nowadays...but when I bought mine 3 years ago, 
it was one of the few that had it)

   They put it on the air anyway.

Of course they did...people *love* to watch sensational news;-) ;-)

Torsten Weirich


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From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Repowering and conversion
Keywords: i/o powerboats outboards transom bracket
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:55:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Oct6.085536.59460
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1457@niktow.canisius.edu>, pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
|>
|>  I am interested in knowing whether:
|>
|>    1. anyone has "repowered" an i/o by replacing the entire i/o
|>       with a bracket-mounted outboard;
|>
|>    2. what others may think of the idea.
|>
|>  I am aware that some boat manufacturers "beef up" transoms on boats that will
|>  have a bracket-mounted outboard attached.
|>
|>  The specific boat in question is a 1981 Tiara Pursuit 25' walk-around. 
|>
|>  thanks,  
|>
|>    Greg Pavlov,
|>    pavlov@fstrf.org
|>
There was an article in Trailer Boats a year or two ago about just such a 
conversion.  As I remember it the boat was about the size of yours and
used for off-shore fishing.  Some work was done to strengthen the transon.
The magazine praised the added space in the cockpit and indicated that
performance didn't suffer.
--
Hal Lynch

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
From: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: looking for good naut
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:20:15 EST
Reply-To: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

>I'm looking for some books on sailing for winter reading.  Does anyone
>know of a store (in MA would be best) that has a _good_ selection of

Call 800-822-8158 and get the International Marine Book catalog.

                    ............Nate
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From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: liveaboard sailboats
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:07:00 GMT

KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu (Karl Nordstrom) writes:
> In article <26270@castle.ed.ac.uk>, ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare) says:
> >I think some guru somewhere has decreeed that the ideal live-aboard boat
> >is a ketch in the high-thirties/low-fourties length range.
> 
> >Oh yes, if you can manage  it, it should be steel.
> 
> Why steel?

My understanding is that:

a) steel boats don't leak - ie: you clean the bilges with a dustpan and brush
   (or vacuum cleaner, if you are able to).
b) steel boats bounce off when you hit rocks (up to a point)
c) steel is a relatively cheap material (this was true in Europe during
   the first oil crises, I think. It may no longer be true)

There are supposed to be lots of other advantages.

See:

'Sell up and Sail' by Bill & Laurel Cooper
'Small Steel Craft: Design Construction and Maintenance' by Ian Nicholson.
and lots of other books whose names escape me at the moment.

Here in Europe, we have other advantages that may not obtain on the other side
of the pond. In particular, the Dutch have a reputation for being able to
build high quality steel hulls. If I were lucky enough to be able to afford to
commission a new steel hulled boat, I would almost certainly take the plane to
Holland to discuss the matter with builders over there.

Roger Hare.
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From: dmb@eddore.network.com (Duane M. Butler)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:57:52 GMT

In article <50700044@hpscit.sc.hp.com> rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) writes:
>I've heard that owners of very loud boats have a psychological
>need to be noticed;  based on low self esteem or some such...
>Apparently it's the same for those with loud motorcycles,
>loud cars.  Any psychologists out there who can confirm or
>refute?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	MORE FUEL TO THE FLAME


This whole thread has confirmed in my mind that there will never, and can
never, be peace on earth.  We cannot even tolerate each other in the things
we are supposed to enjoy.  It seems that human nature dictates that we hate
the other guy who is different.  This goes way beyond the power vs. sail
debate (ie., cross country skiers hate snowmobilers, classical musicians
hate rock & rollers, whites hate blacks, and the list goes on and on).
Why can't we all just enjoy what we have and do, and let our fellow man
do the same?  Part of what makes life interesting is how wonderfully
different we are from each other.

Flames to /dev/null

Duane.

Disclaimer: the opinions expressed here are my own.
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From: JR00 <JR00@UNB.CA>
Subject: Back Issue of Sea Spray
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:00:52 GMT

I am trying to track down an article which appeared in the Australian
magazine SEA SPRAY between 1982 and 1984 or thereabouts. The article
concerns a boat named LA FILLE D'OR. Apparently the magazine is still
publishing but the address we have for the publisher appears to be a
black hole. Can anyone help? Will cover cost of back issue, copying or
whatever, of course.
From: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: uscg aux flotilla 49
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:15:30 EST
Reply-To: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

DL>If you have any expired flares that are in good condition and you want to
DL>part with them, we would greatly appreciate it.

DL>You can send them to:

DL>USCG AUX  FLOTILLA  49                       

Check with your postmaster.  I don't think you can legally mail flares!

                    ............Nate
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From: bwb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRENT W. BENSON)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Paul Elvstrom Book
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:39:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <3060043@otter.hpl.hp.com>, cgr@otter.hpl.hp.com (Chris Romans) write
s:
>Does anybody know anything about a book by Paul Elvstrom, published in
>the 60's called 'Expert Dinghy Racing'?
>
>Any ideas on where I can get hold of a copy?
>
>Chris Romans
>
"Expert Dinghy and Keelboat Racing" Paul Elvstrom,  Quadrangle/The New York
Times Book Company, 1967, lib of congress number 67-25632. First published in
England by Creagh-Osborne.
Poorly organized and dated, but still contains some real words of wisdom.  331
pages.
May be found in some libraries, but is almost certainly out of print.
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