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From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon)
Subject: Re: Hello, Earth?
Summary: More comments and stuff...
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.213417.6068@zip.eecs.umich.edu> marky@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young) writes:

>I think that the articles should be posted to this group -- if not before they
>are accepted than at least WHEN they are accepted.  Seeing other people's
>efforts would probably be encouraging for first-timers.  At the very least, it
>would be a good way for people to learn the correct format.

Good point, will be done in the future.  Your articles are excellent
examples for us all -- please keep them coming!

>And if you're going to come out with version 2 of the article format, I think
>you should review the requirement that cross-references be to pre-existing
>articles.  It's easy for a program to deal with unresolved references, and
>having open-ended references is an invitation to write those articles.

I believe the current write-up is perhaps misleading you then, because that
is what the current system does do.  By saying "actual article titles," it
means that the title must either exist, or else be the title of the piece
when it DOES come out.  This is simply to avoid confusion and frustration on
the reader system's part, trying to determine if "The Wonko the Sane Show"
is the target article for a cross-ref "Wonko the Sane Show" (notice how
they're not exactly the same?!)

As for systems which can handle this automatic linking -- already done!
My "The Guide!" for IBM's already does link up unresolved cross-references
once the "target" article has been added!  Thus, your point is well-taken --
in fact, it was already considered when our founding fore-fathers
constructed the current standards!

Glad to resolve this point; I take it you don't have access to an IBM system,
or else you would've read GUIDE.DOC (the dox for "The Guide!") which provides
a quite detailed discussion of how this automatic future-linking of "live"
cross-ref's is taken care of...

(As for other computer platforms, they too should make provisions to handle
unresolved cross-references if and when the target article is added...)

Steve
swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu
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From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon)
Subject: Re: Hello, Earth?
Summary: Earth responding...
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.232050@cunix4.Prime.COM> jasonp@cunix4.Prime.COM (Jason R. Pascucci) writes:

>So, what ever happened about the guide? I haven't
>seen any articles posted here in a long while. 

Well, the first complete "official" collection of articles was released last
month and is now widely available... but you're indeed correct, there's been
a noticible LACK of articles over the last few months...

Maybe once more universities resume classes, we'll start seeing them again!

>The last thing I recall was the debate on which format to keep
>the text in. 

Well, just when you thought it was safe to write an article --

Yea, we HAD agreed on a writing style format, etc... BUT a great new proposal
has been directed my way... once the initial draft is complete, it'll be
posted here by its author (Stephane Luissier, mortel@chose.cam.org) and
then we can start all over again <G>

>-- 
>Jason R. Pascucci
>jasonp@primerd.prime.com
>

BTW, I know this line is getting old, but The Guide! for IBM's IS about
ready for the 1.00 release, so watch for it soon... (the 0.9B is still
available for those who don't have it...)

Steve
swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Hello, Earth?
From: jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:42:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

marky@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young) writes:

>    %x Albidris IV
>    %x Bureaucracy
>    %x Chimpanzee
>    %x Deep Sea Fishing
>    %x Dental Floss
>    %x Design by Committee
...

Wow! The inspiration! The ideas that start to flow after reading that list!
Now if only I could find that 5 minutes that I misplaced... I'm sure I left
it *somewhere* around here ;-)
-- 
_________________  "I'd like to answer this question in two ways:
  /____ _ _/_ __       First in my normal voice, and then
 // / //_//_ /_/       in a silly, high-pitched whine." (Monty Python)
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From: marky@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Re: Hello, Earth?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:38:53 GMT

%r swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (the Phase-of-the-Moon Guy)
>[I wrote:]
>>And if you're going to come out with version 2 of the article format, I think
>>you should review the requirement that cross-references be to pre-existing
>>articles.  It's easy for a program to deal with unresolved references, and
>>having open-ended references is an invitation to write those articles.
>
>I believe the current write-up is perhaps misleading you then, because that
>is what the current system does do.  By saying "actual article titles," it
>means that the title must either exist, or else be the title of the piece
>when it DOES come out.  This is simply to avoid confusion and frustration on
>the reader system's part, trying to determine if "The Wonko the Sane Show"
>is the target article for a cross-ref "Wonko the Sane Show" (notice how
>they're not exactly the same?!)
>
Well, I guess that shows that you can't generalize from an N of 1.  The
cross-references for "The Origins of the Guide" were deleted from the PGG
version -- which confirmed to me my reading of the article guidelines.

>[...] I take it you don't have access to an IBM system, [...]

Oh, I have access to several.  I just try to stay as far away from them as
possible....

...mark young
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From: flatline@eskimo.celestial.com (Flatline)
Subject: Lost posting...
Organization: I tattooed my brain all the way...
Distribution: alt.galactic-guide, alt.fan.douglas-adams
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:08:34 GMT

I noticed that someone put a PGG entry in alt.douglas-adams, if anyone could pull it over here, that would probably be good. :)

-- 
I've always been mad, I know I've    | get out of my face and watch me die
been mad, like the most of us...     | 
very hard to explain why you're mad, |    flatline@eskimo.celestial.com
even if you're not mad...            |
From: mcsdc1mlh@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: What is this?
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:31:20 BST
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug20.164732.16287@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, cb705@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason K. Green) writes:
> 
> Pardon my ignorance, but could someone explain what this group is?
> I read alt.fan.douglas-adams and have seen references to this group.
> 
> -- 
> Jason K. Green


Yeah, I'm kinda wondering too. Someone?

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From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: FAQ posting
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:45:36 GMT

  This is becoming an almost standard offer of mine, but . . .

  I have archived somwhere or other (actually there is only one possible place,
but humor me) a program I pulled off alt.sources that allows the automatic
posting of timed FAQs.  I have had no cause to actually use it, so I don't know
how effectual it is or how it even works, but if anyone is willing to try it out
I will be happy to do so.  It should decrease the number of "where's the FAQ"
requests.  Supposedly it can handle multiple FAQs too.

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From: marky@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Re: Hello, Earth?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:34:17 GMT

%q Well, the first complete "official" collection of articles was released
last
%q month and is now widely available... but you're indeed correct, there's
been
%q a noticible LACK of articles over the last few months...
%r swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Steve)

In the early days of this group it was mooted that guide articles would be
posted here before they were accepted (there was also talk of voting and all
sorts of revolutionary nonsense -- but we squelched that :-).  When I ftp'd the
PGG articles I noticed that there were some that hadn't been posted.

I think that the articles should be posted to this group -- if not before they
are accepted than at least WHEN they are accepted.  Seeing other people's
efforts would probably be encouraging for first-timers.  At the very least, it
would be a good way for people to learn the correct format.

And if you're going to come out with version 2 of the article format, I think
you should review the requirement that cross-references be to pre-existing
articles.  It's easy for a program to deal with unresolved references, and
having open-ended references is an invitation to write those articles.  As an
example, here are the unresolved references to existing ANG articles:

    %x Albidris IV
    %x Bureaucracy
    %x Chimpanzee
    %x Deep Sea Fishing
    %x Dental Floss
    %x Design by Committee
    %x Despised Philosophies
    %x Free Speakers Anonymous
    %x Galactic Couriers
    %x Intergalactic Measurements Council
    %x Late Imperial Period
    %x Library
    %x Mail R Us, Co Ltd
    %x Milliways Principle
    %x Newsgroups
    %x Party
    %x Pegadra Midrobatz
    %x Philosophy
    %x Project Galactic Guide
    %x Recreational Impossibilities
    %x Sibling Rivalry
    %x Snorshil's Beast
    %x Snorshil's Planet
    %x The Council of the Gods
    %x The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
    %x The Supreme Being
    %x The Universe
    %x Theft

In fact, I think I'll do one now....

...mark young
From: cb705@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason K. Green)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: What is this?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:47:32 GMT
Reply-To: cb705@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason K. Green)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Pardon my ignorance, but could someone explain what this group is?
I read alt.fan.douglas-adams and have seen references to this group.

-- 
Jason K. Green
cb705@cleveland.freenet.edu - Cleveland Freenet
jkg4286@hobbes.NebrWesleyan.edu - Nebraska Wesleyan University
From: coleman@bldrdoc.gov (Sean Coleman 497-5672 )
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Info and article fields
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:10:07 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology


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From: jasonp@cunix4.Prime.COM (Jason R. Pascucci)
Subject: Hello, Earth?
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:20:50 GMT

So, what ever happened about the guide? I haven't
seen any articles posted here in a long while. 

The last thing I recall was the debate on which format to keep
the text in. 

-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Ashers!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:06:09 GMT

In article <77908@ut-emx.uucp> llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (knobette) writes:
>
>alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>: In article <1992Aug12.055100.19628@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>: 
>: >I believe that most depressed and suicidal people are bright and
>: >intelligent.  (Bliss in ignorance is the easy way out.)  
>: 
>:      I haven't seen any real studies done showing a vast majority of
>: depressed people are all that bright.  Some article claim so on a small
>: number of people or because of the writers own cynicism.  
>
>there've been several studies done showing that depressed people tend
>to be more realistic than nondepressed people.

As I said before, a realist is a cynic.

>i'd hafta go home to
>look up the refs. basically, it's work that's been done in social
>psych, in relation to studies of all the little fake things we tend to
>believe to make our lives easier. i'll get a citation for you, if you
>want.

>...

>first of all, being suicidal is *not* delusional. in fact, most
>suicidal people are not "crazy." they are people who have developed a
>sort of tunnel vision which prevents them from seeing any other way
>out of their current difficulty. it's no more delusional than a the
>situation of a computer programmer who's stuck on a project but keeps
>trying to fix her old algorithm instead of finding a new one.

This assumes that there is actually an alternative algorithm.
There may not be one.

Suppose that one needs a sorting algorithm that can do better than
O(n * log(n)).  Unfortunately, it simply doesn't exist, no matter
how _hard_ you wish for it.

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From: paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Vaughn Clark Gross)
Subject: Re: To all my friends, I did it...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:57:43 GMT

In article <BtE2sz.HLr@wpi.WPI.EDU> megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>Hmmm, I think I'm actually happy... what a weird feeling. Wonder how long 
>it'll last...

	probably not more than a week... two at most....

		have a nice day......   8)

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   | I would."   (Nosage, June 91)
	
human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......
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From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: angst and love and death
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:39:46 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans

Excellent job. Congrats!

Ya know, the way it scans you could make it into a song....

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: *swirl*swirl*swirl* Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 08:05:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.050827.9938@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>Just me banging my head against the wall...
>
>					psycho kitten
>

Just me getting drunk.

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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Interesting topic (To me, anyways)
Organization: none 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.052617.3744@eskimo.celestial.com> flatline@eskimo.
celestial.com (Flatline) writes:

>I have an interesting question - What do you people want done with your bodies
>after death?

While I don't really care what happens to my body after my death (I agree
with the Klingon attitude toward the bodies of the dead), I want
my body burned when I'm dead.  I'd prefer a huge pyre with a forest in the
background, but I'll settle for a no-frills cremation.

I don't want a funeral or viewing (besides my feelings about these barbaric
traditions) so I can deprive my biological reletives from playing the
pitiful mourners.  My death would probably upset my SO's family (and
there are a fair number of them who would come to my funeral) and I don't
want to make it any worse for them by making them have to be within
50 yards of my biological relatives.  I certainly don't want to give
my "relatives" a chance to act like they actually cared about me in
public.

Who wants to be worm food anyway???

					AMW
					aka psycho kitten
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: DEATH BY MISADVENTURE
Summary: non-mundane ways to die
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:45:51 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

The subject, DEATH BY MISADVENTURE, is the name of a "twisted tune" that
a radio station in Baltimore, MD plays sometimes (98 Rock FM for those around
Baltimore).  The song is basically a silly tune with two male teenagers
(like Bill & Ted) talking about "cool" ways they want to die.  They list
some neat ones, but I can only remember the one way right now...

_Death_by_Misadventure_

1. Death by lava flow 
    
    Not something you see in the obituaries that often... basically being
caught in a lava flow (a fast moving one) and dying.  Which would kill you
first, the fumes, or the heat??? (like you'd care if you were stuck in
the lava...)

(The rest aren't from the song, but they are different from the everyday
ways to die.)


2. Death by bungee jumping

    This one is becoming more common. There are several ways to die while
bungee jumping.
        a) Forget to tie the other end of the bungee to something solid. 
           A man here in the US died recently when the jump operator forgot to
           tie the cord to the crane the man was jumping from... 
        b) Have the stucture you've jumping from collapse. 
           A woman here recently died when the crane she was jumping from
           collapsed in mid-jump... she never even got to bounce back up first.
        c) Miscalculate the distance and/or the elasticity of the cord.
           This happens occasionally.  One guy here just banged his head
           on the ground before bouncing back up... the rest usually aren't
           so lucky.
        d) Have the cord or your harness snap.
           This happens occasionally too... but it isn't that exciting.
    Now that several people have been hurt or killed while the paid oparators
stand by, several US states have banned bungee jumping or severely limited it.


3. Death by "skiing" accident (from _Unpleasant_Ways_to_Die_)

    I don't mean getting killed while skiing... more like being in one of those
enclosed lift cars a 100+ feet up and having the cable snap.

 
-----

    Well, that's it for now... I can't remember any of the other ones from
the song (and it's really driving me up a tree).  If anyone knows part or
all of the lyrics, _please_ Email me!!!  If anyone else knows any other
forms of Death By Misadventure either email me or post them...


                                        AMW
                                        psycho kitten
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From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (knobette)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Ashers!
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:26:04 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
: In article <1992Aug12.055100.19628@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
: 
: >I believe that most depressed and suicidal people are bright and
: >intelligent.  (Bliss in ignorance is the easy way out.)  
: 
:      I haven't seen any real studies done showing a vast majority of
: depressed people are all that bright.  Some article claim so on a small
: number of people or because of the writers own cynicism.  

there've been several studies done showing that depressed people tend
to be more realistic than nondepressed people. i'd hafta go home to
look up the refs. basically, it's work that's been done in social
psych, in relation to studies of all the little fake things we tend to
believe to make our lives easier. i'll get a citation for you, if you
want.  

:                                                         When depressed
: and suicidal you are living in a delusional state.  Convincing yourself
: that everything is terrible and focusing only on the negative and trying
: to believe that only the negatives have any importance.  It is neither a
: realistic or healthy viewpoint.  Whether or not an 'intelligent' person
: is suicidal, it is not usually an intelligent perception.

(this and following opinions come from my training and experience as a
suicide hotline counselor and a trainer of counselors)

first of all, being suicidal is *not* delusional. in fact, most
suicidal people are not "crazy." they are people who have developed a
sort of tunnel vision which prevents them from seeing any other way
out of their current difficulty. it's no more delusional than a the
situation of a computer programmer who's stuck on a project but keeps
trying to fix her old algorithm instead of finding a new one.

in fact, some researchers see suicide as a desperate attempt to
preserve the integrity of the psychological system. the suicidal
person sees him/herself being torn apart by forces s/he believes are
beyond control and makes a last-ditch effort to preserve the self. not
the most logical thing, but an expression of a healthy core
personality somewhere under all the pain and confusion.

you speak as if people who are suicidal are being that way just to be
difficult or something. they're usually in real pain, so much so that
they can't stop and get a handle on anything. what intervention work
does is try to listen (sometimes, you're the first person to ever
really listen to what the caller has to say) without judging, help the
caller sort out feelings, and help the caller come up with something,
no matter how small, that s/he can do to start to change the
situation. it's band-aid therapy, but sometimes, that's all that's
needed: a chance to get a little perspective.

--
sine nomine
debbie martinson
"consciousness is far more terrifying than any unconscious complexes."
						-- mikhail bakhtin
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