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From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:17:50 PDT(-700)
Organization: The White Bull
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
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In article <1992Sep10.154253.12818@bcrka451.bnr.ca> (soc.bi), bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
> > >ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
> > >>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> > >>>It's been my experience that when there's one man with a group of women,
> > >>> the man gets ignored entirely.
> 
> I've seen this too.  *I* think one of the reasons is that men tend to be more
> abrasive/rough sexually than women.  It seems that when women are in a group,
> they enjoy the gentler/softer sex that can be offered by women.

Am I the only one who read Ellen's comment as being in a social setting
rather than a sexual one?
> 
> > >>It must be he's boring, or they're ignoring circumstances.
> > >>Sorry. Were I there, I would consume the resources.
> 
> Doesn't necessarily mean the guy is boring.  And if the resources didn't want
> consuming, what would you do??

Not to mention the fact that I have met some absolutely fascinating men
with whom I had no desire to have sex.  Then there are times when my
attention is entirely taken up by one person and I just don't notice
anyone else (of either gender.)  I try not to let this happen in a
group sex situation, since (for me) part of the fun is in having sex
with everyone.  For the record, I've never really tried sex with more
than three at any given time.

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From: zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:04:01 GMT
Reply-To: colin@man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

In article <98qoqB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

|> ...No, no, no, you have it all wrong.  It's us Canadians who talk about 
|> the weather all the time and bore everyone else.  I have it on good 
|> authority.

Ah, but it's a well-known fact that Canadians are just English people suffering
from over-exposure to Americans (apart from the ones who are French people
suffering from over-exposure to Americans, but being as I am, part French,
I'm not biased).

Then again, I can think of some Americans I wouldn't mind being over exposed
to.

Colin
(Desparately resisting the desire to rewrite that last sentence as "... to
whom I wouldn't mind being over exposed" on the grounds that English != Latin.
I'm not a prescriptivist grammar queen!  I'm not!)
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:48:59 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I'm sorry, I didn't understand that (very long) post.  Something
about Jungian archetypes.

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Xref: sparky soc.bi:12342 alt.sex.bondage:17493 alt.polyamory:1216
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex.bondage,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: A personal !!!
Date: 16 Sep 1992 02:07:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep15.202906.27638@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
->The End of an Era.
->
->   Today, wheels laid to the ground that would take DeWolf 860 miles
->away from me... forever.  He's moving to San Jose.  Many more of his

Forever, Elf? I visit my parents (400 miles away from me) quite often ...
and we don't have *nearly* as many sex/BDSM scenes ... (lets not get into
domination here :) ) ... it's only 860 miles ... how about visits?

(Not to mention I really do want to meet you.  Finally.)

-roy

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Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: women who dress up as men
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:21:32 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: News Addicts

valerie@ucsd.edu (Valerie E. Polichar) writes:

>Hey  ---  I look /great/ in a mustache.

>de-muffin post alert!  Hugs requested!!

OK - <hug> Heeheeheeheee! Take off that moustache, it's *tickling* me
... 

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:41:52 EDT

sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:

> >
> Alright.  You asked for it.  A guy called Thomas Artus wrote an attack on the
> court of Henri III during the 1560s.  The citation:
> Artus, Thomas.  _Description de l'isle des Hermaphrodites novellement
>     decouverte_.  Paris: 1605, rpt.  Cologne [Brussels]: H. Demen, 1724.
> 
> Now, do I get the prize for the "Most Obscure Reference," or what?
> 
> Simon.
> -- 

Consider yourself awarded, and a big hug to go with it, too.

Now I just have to see if INterlibrary loan will come through with it for 
me.  Shall I hold my breath?  Or dare I hope it's sitting around in one 
of these local libraries?

Namaste,
Elizabeth (the frustrated scholar)

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: greetings from a muffin
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:54:30 GMT

Welcome!  Greatings from a recent-de-muffin, also half-baked....

Oh, and most important--*HUGS*.

Eleanor
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 13:51:52 EDT

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:

> 
> Well that's a sun tan in my book; at any rate the closest I've got to a
> sun tan since the Great Swelter of 1976 when I had the entire summer in
> which to lounge around bi the edge of a swimming pool.
> 


Sounds like my skin.  My choices are white or white or, if I want to put 
up with excruciating pain, a blend of scarlet and pink.  Now the doctor 
tells me to stay out of the sun and wear sunscreen at all times or I get 
funny marks on my face.

O for a darker skin!  But we don't get to choose these things.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Objectification (was Re: Sexual Harassment)
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:19:40 +1200
 <17llqkINN73n@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Sep03.175940.20454@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep03.175940.20454@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) said...
> >[about looking at people in different ways]
> [Not a bi man, but i want to reply anyway...]
> Seems that the main change in how i look at people has come about after 
> having been in situations where i _could_ have sex with anyone in the 
> room, simply by asking (or looking so baby-dyke adorable that i get asked).
> 
> Having experienced that, i now look at people less as sex objects, and 
> more as potential partners or friends... rather than "sie's cute...
> wonder what sie's like in bed", i think "sie's cute... wonder if sie's
> read anything by Edward Abbey" or something.
from watching `Miss NZ',, me and a flatmate concluded that how attractive
people seem is VERY tied in with how intellegent they seem (at least
to us university types...)

> Seems like if i can have sex with anyone i want, the focus moves from
> what they would be like in bed to how i would relate to them, in and out
> of bed.
so call me arrogant, but I feel the same way. Then again, I've probably 
slept with more people (and not had sex) than most people I know...

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From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:51:14 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <xxgqb2hs@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
> 
> Sorry, Eric, but Virgos don't believe in astrology a damn.

Rubbish, I'm afraid.
 
> 		Kay (whose birthday is on Wednesday)

But have a very happy birthday :-)

///Peter
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Are Libertarians necessarily bisexual?
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:22:54 GMT
Organization: TFS

They believe in Free Trade, yes?

I don't think I've ever seen a Libertarian not wearing a tie.
Their rhetoric reminds me of LaRouche, which I know is unfair to them,
but they also come off as 'Darwinists'. I don't read the literature;
I look at the representatives. Ties + economic platforms = suspicion.

Vote for Wavy Gravy, and if he isn't on the ballot, write him in.
(Tim Leary for VP.)

Don't think I'm making light of the issues. I'll vote for a Green
Libertarian.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Scottish jokes (as in, jokes that only work in dialect...)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:28:06 GMT

Once upon a time a young Irishman applied for a construction job.  The boss
looked him over skeptically.  "This is no job for an ignorant laborer" he
says.  "Ye have to have the knowledge -- ye have to know a joist from a
girder."  "Sure and I have the knowledge:" says the young man.  "Joist
wrote Ulysses, and Girder wrote Faust."

What *does* all this have to do with sex?
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep09.004118.28611@microsoft.com> fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.184314.25188@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>| 
>| I'd call that "libertarianism" rather than "conservatism" (although
>| libertarians think of themselves as a branch of conservatism.
>
>No we don't.
>
Aha, a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party, I presume?  Lots
of libertarians do consider themselves conservatives, write stuff in
conservative magazines, and belong to the Republican Party, although many
do not.  Are you thinking of that little 2-d grid that Libertarians
quiz you on when they're recruiting?  One axis represents whether
you believe in individual rights on the "social" issues, the other
on the "economic" issues.  According to that grid, conservatives are
pro-economic rights, anti-social rights, liberals are pro-social, anti-
economic.  Libertarians are pro-social, pro-economic, "populists"
(and they must be thinking of Huey Long or Gerald L.K. Smith) are anti-
social, anti-economic.

>| If I could design a utopia, there'd be two political parties, the
>| libertarians and the socialists.  They'd agree on human rights issues
>| and duke it out over economic ones.  
>
>What, in the history of socialist thought, makes you think that, as 
>a general rule, socialists are particularly in favor of human rights?
>
A lot of them haven't been, that's for sure, if you count Mao and Stalin
as socialists.  But there are socialists who believe in democracy and 
human rights.  Most European socialists do.  DSA here does.

>   Fritz
>


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:50:01 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Sep12.202251.181569@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:
> 
>>...Henri III of France is a gentleman I've always found fascinating.  ANy
>>sources you find on him would be much appreciated.  All I've seen or read
>>was the Erlanger biography and odds and ends in books about Catherine de
>>Medici.
> 
>>Namaste,
>>Elizabeth
>>
> Alright.  You asked for it.  A guy called Thomas Artus wrote an attack on the
> court of Henri III during the 1560s.  The citation:
> Artus, Thomas.  _Description de l'isle des Hermaphrodites novellement
>     decouverte_.  Paris: 1605, rpt.  Cologne [Brussels]: H. Demen, 1724.
> 
> Now, do I get the prize for the "Most Obscure Reference," or what?

Nah, Ciaran probably has the BIBTeX entry for this already :-)

///Peter
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:06:27 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <10622@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
:Well, I _was_ going to offer a fudge mercy-mission, but now I'm not as
:sure ...    <sniff>

yes Yes YEs YES!  Sorry Sara, you'll have to give the SuperSaver to
Bethan :-)  I take it all back.  You are a true and pure linguist!

G
PS *Slurp*  (That was... oh, forget it - they'll never fall for that one twice.)
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 02:28:25 GMT


In article <9225509.5964@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick
Nicholas) writes:
|> Eric, now that he's
|> actually clarified what he was talking about (and granted, it was not
|> clear at first) speaks for me completely.

Hmm.  Hopefully I'm not wasting bandwidth or flogging a dead horse
if I ask you to explain what you think he was saying.  Personally,
I see little cause for all the bile being spilt into this discussion
(by some participants) - but then, I'm not the sort to get angry.
It doesn't jar particularly with my world-view to observe that a
man would, in many circumstances, be ignored in a group of women.
You can read sexism, rudeness, Illuminati conspiracy, or whatever
you like into it, but no such readings are necessarily true.
How about the idea that people are just socialized to interact
more easily with their own gender?  This would produce the effect,
without any need for blame, outrage or anger over the motivations
of the people involved.

So I see nothing provocative in Ellen's observation - I even suspect
it's true.  I also (naively) hope that most of this storm was just
stirred up by Eric's poor phraseology.  In the hope that that is
true, I offer e-hugs to any participants who want them, be they
in hot-tubs suffering from societal gender hangups or not.

Mike, somewhat bemused by the whole thing



Mike Lloyd, retro hippy, blah blah .. rest of .sig lost in cocktail
of lethargy and ether
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs in the snow (was Re: whatever . . .)
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:51:31 GMT

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

|> Britain???  Good grief, where are we going to get hot tubs around here? 
|> I can assure you that all the much discussed hot tub activity took place
|> in California, where the weather is rather more clement.

|True.  However, hot tubs are actually at their best in ice, snow, dismal
|rain, cold, fog, and all those less-clement weather features.  It's
|really fun to step out of the hot tub into freezing air and make little
|curls of steam in the air, not minding being naked in the snow because
|your body has absorbed so much heat.  It's also fun being rained on
|while sitting in the hot tub, with little cold splats on hot skin.  Snow
|would probably be even better, but I haven't had the chance to
|experience that yet.

I've swum in the middle of London in a heated outdoor pool when it's
been raining and snowing. Yummy :-) And you get the pool to yourself :-)

Angi
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:52:41 GMT

In article <98qoqB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>
>At least we have a nice sunny long weekend for Labour Day, after a 
>ghastly summer.

Hmmmmm....that's strange...doesn't look like that from here!  In which part of
The Wa do you live?  I think I may have to move to the sunnier part of the 
city...

Daemon

-- 
 D.C.X. Ferguson            ____  ____  ____   "It is not difference which 
 grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca  \  /  \  /  \  /  immobilizes us, but silence. 
                             \/    \/    \/  And there are so many silences
 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada                    to be broken." -Audre Lorde
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:20:04 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:

>Regarding my reply to Sara. Read my response FIRST, then her note which
>I was replying to, I think you can see my mindset. Hey sorry, I'm hair-
>trigger touchy about being coerced thru threat of the withholding of
>affection. You-all should also be aware that I make no distinction between

When did anyone suggest coercion? I merely pointed out that if you
really were the complete egocentric prat that your post suggested then I
would have no interest in wasting any of my "resources" on you.  Just to
clarify what I considered "resources" to mean in that context: attention
of any kind.  I would be inclined to ignore you.  Unless I found myself,
as I do now, so irritated with you that I felt it necessary to attempt
to get some inkling of a Clue into what passes for a brain in your case. 

>So there you have it: you get love(=sex nowadays) if you behave the way
>I want you. And this IS a common theme in the larger society.

*Why* should anyone waste time and attention on someone they don't like,
unless they're in the situation of being employed to give them
time/attention of some kind? Coercion? I don't give a fuck what you do,
Mr Eric Stupid Bloody Name Dynamic, and neither do I owe you one iota of
attention. 

>In context from above, the woman has the man in a relationship up to
>some point and THEN things become conditional, is the scenario I am
>attacking. A prostitute says, the rate is X, yes or no, and that's
>honest. She doesn't offer it free and at the end say, oh, that'll be $100
>(now that you're committed). The theme I attack is manipulating the
>partner after there is emotional connection (bait & switch), where I
>know both men and women injured this way.

That was a context purely of your own devising that was never there
before you put it there.  However, even in that situation (one in which
there is already an emotional connection), it is perfectly justifiable
for someone to decide they don't want to talk to someone or give them
attention of whatever form if that someone has pissed them off in
someway.  This is not being manipulative, it is simply acting so as to
protect oneself. 

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Customs of Customs
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 15:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.071146.20870@uunet.ca> smd@uunet.ca (Sean Doran) writes:

>Yes, Canada Customs, for one, is a prudish bunch and they have a
>ministerial directive that is probably unconstitutional that allows
>them to seize any "obscene" material and impound it at the border.

What is really great is that they get censored versions of US magazines
made for sale to Canada.  For some reason, you can't *talk* about anal
sex in Canada (at least in print), but it is perfectly OK to show it in
a picture or a video tape.  The reason for this no one seems to know.

>I suspect that Canada Customs is not unique, and certainly US customs
>people tend to be a little overzealous about lots of things too.

There are things for sale here in Germany which would cause either
Canadian or US customs to go into cardiac arrest.  I wonder what they
do to keep the Sinister Tide of European porn out?

Of course, as soon as they got the new porno law in Canada they went
after a Lesbian publication.  

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprect-Karls University 
                gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:02:12 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


   At this point, I'd like to add that as the person originally addressed
by the "maybe bring a man of your own" comment :

   I think at the time I understood what was behind it when it was said.
Even if I *had* taken it personally, it would've been as a comment
about me rather than about my gender...as it was, I had in fact said
much the same thing myself to Karina when we'd been talking about our
impending visit to the US. 8->

   I too have been very bothered by some of the things that have come
out in this thread, so much so that I've been quite unable to follow
it up until now. 8-<

   ...I do hope no-one's confused anything that's been said with what
might be *my* position on this matter...

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)