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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Florida!  THE college football state!  Or is it Texas? Or...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:46:53 GMT
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[I've deleted a line or two here and there.]

In <C0IBwB.B7q@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com writes:

> In article <1993Jan6.224740.16462@bmerh85.bnr.ca> hoequist@brtph642.BNR.CA (Charles Hoequist P250) writes:
> >No, Florida does not import its football talent. The only article
> >I've ever seen on football demographics made the point that FL and CA
> >were the two major exporters of football players to the rest of the 
> >country.
> 
> Well, hate to break it to you, but Texas exports more football players
> than anyone else... something to the tune of 558 players as of the
> '92 season.  I quoted an article about it a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> Those 558 are playing for Div IA schools outside the state of Texas,
> 686 are playing for Div IA schools in Texas.  Florida only has 3 Div IA
> schools and it still imports players... (hell, 9 on Miami's roster)
> Houston Post, Section A, Page 9, December 29, 1992

  And as a further reminder to everybody, about relative populations, 
California is the most populous state, followed by Texas, and then New
York.  Florida may be third.  I'm sure its in the top 5.  These things
are not so mysterious.  What I want to know is, where are all the HS kids 
from New York vanishing to?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
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Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  8 Jan 1993 12:23 EST  

In article <1993Jan7.194815.8771@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes...

>The NFL really could use a farm system, but 
>their attempts so far (see World Football League) have not done so well.
> 
>Food for thought.  When was the last time you remember a school getting
>caught for recruiting violations in baseball?  Could this possibly be
>because there is a farm system for baseball where talented players
>can make a lot of money even if they don't make it to the bigs?

I don't think the NFL has made any serious effort to set up a farm 
system.  Why would they when they can use the colleges as one?

Violations do occur in baseball, but it is true that universities are 
much less likely to pursue pure athletes (i.e. non-students), and college 
baseball players are much more likely to value an education rather than 
just considering college a road to a professional athletic career.

No one gets rich playing minor league baseball.  But the minors do 
provide a way for young baseball players, who may have no interest (or 
ability) in attaining a college degree, to concentrate on the sport without 
having to pretend to be a student.  Football and basketball need something 
like this.

> 
>>
>>Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
>>not educate.
> 
>Yeah, but who needs an education with as much money as most of them make?

Only the ones who make it.  And those who don't need an education (or those 
who don't think they do) shouldn't be in college anyway.  The problem is 
there's no where else for them to go to develop.

The NCAA shouldn't make compromises to make the current situation better 
for the athletes.  That just adds to the hypocrisy. It would be better to   
make moves to make the current situation worse for the NFL, so they feel 
pressure to create a farm system. 


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Subject: Re: Conference Strength
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:01:57 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <TQc=BD+@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.132630.13234@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>>
>>
>>So, let's see.  How did the conferences do in bowl games?  Something like
>>
>>
>>SEC    5 out of 6
>>ACC    3 out of 4
>>PAC10  2 out of 6
>>
>>
>>Not sure about the rest, but no other conference had more than 2 wins.  It
>>is obvious that the SEC was really the strongest, but the ACC held its own.
> 
> 
> Just a bread for thoughts:  You cannot simply use no. of bowl wins to
> determine which conference is the toughest/best.  Say, may be a
> conference which having 6 teams in bowl games and win 5 of
> them because most of them are playing nobody in these bowl games.

Yeah, kinda like the PAC-10 and their "give me" games (e.g. Arizona/
Baylor).

Brian

> 
> - Louis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: getting a perspective
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:00:24 GMT

In article <6839@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:

>this year's batch of hurricanes turned out to be pretty mediocre.

I wouldn't call 11-1 and #3 in the nation pretty mediocre...

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From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:17:36 GMT

>>Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!
>>
>
>Shoot the messenger??

If the messenger lies?  Yes.

>John Hajel  

Bill Dostalik     dostalik@utdallas.edu
Go Sooners!

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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:00:50 GMT
Summary: Fehrenbacher replies.

From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen

>In article <1993Jan7.234317.9845@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
   >>James Fehrenbacher has apparently decided to take our little feud public.
   >> etc.
   >>James is mad because I forwarded his "Cooper is a pussy" comments on to
   >>John Cooper.  James posted the message -- meaning that he intentionally

   >>I passed this advice on to Mr. Fehrenbacher, and his response was to cry
   >>go in my years here.  The issue is not "censorship," but rather James'

Wrong - the issue is exactly censorship. Since this exchange, Chrissy sent 
more email describing that he COULD contact my sys administrator, etc., but
won't - just wanted to teach me a little lesson (in censorship no 
doubt!) - another veiled threat. I just wondered how other netters felt about
private threats when Chris doesn't like what they're saying and can't seem
to inhibit their speech any other way.

>i reposted the whole article because of my vehement support of its sentiment.

>i wholeheartedly agree with mr. stassen.  it is certainly possible (though i
>don't know how likely) that john cooper or friends or relatives had already
>seen the posting before chris stassen forwarded the posting.  when using
>most usenet newsreaders, there are usually one or more questions to the
>effect of 'usenet is a big thing that costs lots of money, and your posting
>will possibly be seen by many; are you sure you want to do this?'  mr.
>fehrenbacher apparently said yes to this, and now is crying foul, even
>though he has nothing to complain about.

You don't get it!
John Cooper and his relatives are certainly welcome to read any comments I
make in this public forum. I'm sure he's heard worse right in Ohio Stadium.
That's the price of being a public figure. What I'm crying foul over is the 
Fascist sentiment of those who privately threaten you because they don't 
like what you are saying publicly - they're trying to scare you silent. If 
you wholeheartedly agree with that, beware. You might be next.

>such an occurance of forwarding private mail, even if he had such private
>mail privileges violated, since he himself posted private mail that mr.
>stassen had sent to him.

Mainly because Stassen wasn't man enough to complain publicly - he knew
the kind of threat he was making against me (legal action by Cooper) 
wouldn't make him look very good in public. I believe in full disclosure.
Fascist censors give me the creeps.
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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:01:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college

In article <^t#@byu.edu>, zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
wrote:
> 
> 
> There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
> doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
> graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
> don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.

Because it would be immoral, illegal, and unfair. Top-level college
athletes,
especially in football and basketball, are exploited; this I grant you. But
the college athletic programs are easily the worst offenders, making
millions
off their indentured servants - the vast majority of which (even when they
officially graduate) are not receiving any education to speak of. The
way to solve the current hypocrisy and exploitation in college athletics
is NOT to shackle the players to the schools for a set time. Louisiana
actually tried to pass a law a few years back saying that nobody could
sign a pro contract until their class graduated. Coincidentally, Chris
Jackson was a freshman at LSU then. Yeech.

=====
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sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com
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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  8 Jan 1993 09:53 EST  

In article <1993Jan8.130900.22605@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes...
>In article AAH@trc.amoco.com, zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>In article <1idsjrINN43r@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:
>>>In article <C0Er8u.77n@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>>>tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>>>>Hi.  Wow, what an exiting game that was!  Their is no doubt that Alabama
>>>>>is the
>>>>>best team in college football this year.
>>>>>My question is if Miami is the Hurricanes why is there mascot a bird?
>>>>>GT
>>>>
>>>>Probably for the same reason Bama's is an elephant !!!    :-)
>>>
>>> 
>>>I didn't know that the elephant was the first to run away when the tide comes
>>>in and the last to return when the tide goes out.
>>> 
>>>- goober (what's the name of that damn bird anyways) smith
>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>IVAN, you dumpkof!
>>
> 
>Actually, I thought it was Sebastian.  He's an ibis, although it looks like
>the Crimson tide mistook him for a chicken and plucked him and fried him up
>for dinner!

I can see that the off-season is already in full swing.


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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Smiley instructions:  Was Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:05:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.184520.4995@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
> Cliff Slaughterbeck writes:
> 
> >C'mon Bob, the 8 for eyes means you're toolin' around with sunglasses.

I'll accept that.  Same for regular glasses.

> >  Plus,
> >you can also do things the other way, like this  (-8b.

No.  Never.  Smileys must be viewed as I instructed.  The reverse side is
bugus; null and void.  Just curious, are you a Pisces (2 fish swimming
in opposite directions)?

> >Also, the cap can go upside down this way, ala a catcher  (-8P

Not according to the left ear/shoulder rule.

> 
> Oh yeah?  Well, I can make my smileys however I like! :-Q

Sure Pat.  And you can use power tools however you like and kitchen
cutlery however you like and ....   The point is that there is a right
way and a wrong way.   :-Q  is a beady eyed person who had a nose job
and is blowing raspberries to the reader.  It has possiblilities.
I'll call it "ACCKK PHHHFFFTTT" or something like that.  Let's
try "Razzy," which goes along the same vein as Smiley, Winky, and
Frowny.  Tony Bowman also contributed  8^0  , which depicts someone
in wide-eyed amazement and mouth agape.  I've asked Tony to name his
Smiley offspring.

You just can't type any old picture.  How is the reader supposed to
decipher what you mean when you're not sure yourself?

A note to Phil Harbison, who drew us some neat snake pictures.
Thanks Phil, but your whole presentation violates the left ear/shoulder
rule.

Bob Dieckmann  d;^Q

Z
This is a heavy responsibility and must be used with care.

> (And beware of second hand smiley smoke!)
> 
>      - Pat
> -- 
> - Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
> - Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
> - Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
> - pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:52:24 EST
From: Bill Koozer <WAK100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Where are the PSU fans now?
 <1993Jan5.152226.11668@walter.bellcore.com>

In article <1993Jan5.152226.11668@walter.bellcore.com>,
lein@cat.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver) says:
>
>In article <93005.070607KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>   As I have said all season PSU was overrated from the beginning.  The PSU
>fans
>> didn't see the signs when they failed to beat any ranked teams (actually the
>> didn't beat a team that ended up with a winning record), and they didn't see
>
>Oh Well, there still the best 5 lost team in the country. (They did lose
>three games by a total of 7 points)
>(unless you build a dome).  Maybe Brooks would have had more yards, maybe
>
>Looking at past history, I don't remember Penn State ever winning more than
>8 games when they enter a season with a new QB.  Also, PSU's last two

You have a short memory, then. Penn State was 10-2 in 1980, Todd Black-
ledge's first season. And the Nits were 11-1 in 1985, John Shaffer's
first season. Besides, since when has the QB been a big factor (other
than last year) at Penn State? As long as he can hand off cleanly, that's
about all that matters. :) Personally, I think Wally Richardson is the
best quarterback PSU has right now, but of course JoePa won't play him
because he's younger than Collins and Sacca (or maybe there's another
reason?). Collins has a big-league arm, but he has yet to show me that
he has a big-league mentality. And John Sacca is no Tony Sacca yet,
although he looked good when Penn State was playing someone other than
Miami (Ok, I still haven't forgotten the interception. So sue me.) and
Stanford.

>5-loss seasons came during Bush's elections years - JoePa is a big Republican
>supporter and in both cases admits the team's problems were with coaching.
>Hmmm, maybe Joe could take a year off during election years.

Actually, '88 was a 6-loss year, but who's counting. One good thing, the
last time PSU was 7-5 ('76), it rebounded with an 11-1 season. Let's hope
the Lions can do that well or better this fall, although I wouldn't count
on it.

>
>John L

Bill K

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hoff@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Eric Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Ohio St (national merit scholars) Wussconsin
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 23:43:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.110258.6358@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>>>[My almanac is 1991.  All figures date from then.  Guess it's time to get a
>>>new almanac.]
>>>					Enrollment
>>>Michigan State University		42,695
>>>Ohio State University			40,122
>>>University of Michigan --- Ann Arbor	35,216
>>>Purdue University			29,674
>>>University of Wisconsin --- Madison	29,625
>>>University of Minnesota --- Twin Cities	29,278
>
>Those are definitely undergraduate figures, but when it comes to talking
>about National Merit Scholars and such, they only count undergraduates, so
>this is the pertinent statistic, not total enrollment.  One thing that
>shocked me about these numbers is that I didn't Purdue had that few
>graduate students.  It looks like Michigan State hardly would have any.
>
>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

These figures are total enrollment figures for Michigan and Michigan State
but undergraduate only for the rest (except possibly Purdue).  Next time I
suggest that the person who posted these figures buy a different almanac.
-- 
Chris Hoffman					Stanford University
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From: kollur@aix.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: Seminoles Victorious
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:41:02 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE93Jan4.165601@samadams.inmet> johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped) writes:
>
>and how about bama vs. fsu in a kick-off classic of some sort?  (actually, i
>think fsu can't because of the pre-season game against byu last year and
>ncaa rules about being in pre-season games more than once every 3 or 4
>years, but it would be interesting.  bama/nd wouldn't be bad either!)

I think the SEC does not permit its members to play in pre-season
games because of the championship game adding an extra game to the
schedule. They want to avoid the possibility of a team playing
14 games (and going 14-0 if the team in question is 'Bama :-)).
Can anyone confirm this?

Ramana
Roll Tide
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 107--final
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:55:41 GMT

In article <rWf=3DA@engin.umich.edu>, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin
Pochmara) wrote:

> Your system has some obvious flaws.....Washington is not better
> than Michigan in any sense this year. The game didn't prove
> it nor did their records. 3 losses - no losses, it's a simple
> concept. Stanford is not better than Michigan either.....
> 3 losses - no losses, it's a simple concept.

3 ties are something? The first one with the Irish was understandable.
Let Holtz take the heat. The second one was with a weak Illini team.
That was for the Rose Bowl, so ok again. The last one was against
Ohio St, supposedly your most despised rival. The one game you don't
want to tie. Then there was your less than impressive win over Purdue.

Bo had only 5 ties in his entire career with UMich, and Moeller has
given you 3 in one season! I can't *wait* till next season. 5? 8?
Maybe a 0-0-11 season???

> How can you put Florida State ahead of Miami? Miami played a
> tougher schedule, won all their games until the end of season,
> and (for Christ's sake you morons) beat Florida State.

By three points. At home. May I remind you, FSU *missed* *two* 
field goals in that game. And is Miami's schedule really much
tougher?

> You need to get your head out of your ass......

Well, All Knowing and Mighty Michigan fan, write your own damn
program to rank the teams. Until then, shut your trap.

James
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (1-4-93)
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:12:53 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) wrote:
}
}Notice a pattern?  Also, in today's (1/5) edition of the USA Today, the TV
}sports column points out how low the TV ratings for all the games were.  The
}Miami/Alabama game was the lowest rated #1 vs #2 ever, the Rose Bowl ratings
}were down about 15%, the Orange Bowl ratings were way down, etc.
}
}This doesn't bode well for the bowl coalition.  Although the cause/effect
}relationship is questionable, it seems like poor ratings a few years in a
}row are going to force the NCAA's hand in regards to a playoff.

I don't really see anything the Bowl Coalition did this year which
should have negatively effected the TV ratings.  Perhaps the 
hypocrisy of the current "amateur" system got more publicity than
usual this year and turned off more people to the sport?

I also don't follow the logic that a playoff system would get better
TV ratings.  If an undisputed MNC game of #1 vs. #2 draws poor
ratings, why should we expect playoffs to do any better?

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Ohio St (national merit scholars) Wussconsin
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:56:35 GMT

Cheesehead Brian E. Saunders whines

>> I wrote:
>>
>>But at least Ohio State had more National Merit Scholars this
>>year than any other Big 10 school. [but it's too weak academically for
>>football players who want an education (:^) ]
>
>Gee, might that have anything to do with the fact that it's the LARGEST
>school in the Big 10?


Well gee, it might, cheesehead, but the UW Madison-campus-for-alcoholism-
training and Minnesota and Michigan and Michigan St and Purdue aren't exactly
small.  And Minnesota was actually bigger than OSU last time I counted. As
you might have guessed, teeny Northwestern was next in merit scholars. I 
don't really think the number of students has much to do with it, but then 
I don't spend quite as much time pounding brewskis as the average UW student.
No other Big 10 education factory was even in the top 20 nationally. (OSU was
13th.) Too bad Ohio State's football program isn't as good as its academic
program.

(Can you imagine saying taht 20 years ago? Boy has that place gone to the 
dogs!)