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From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest)
Subject: Re: Internet access for high schools?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:51:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.124132.25737@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed) writes:

>As for the CSUnet project, all I can say is that I find the idea of providing
>High School Student PPP access to the Internet from their homes to be very,
>very scary indeed.  Call me a Luddite, but I think it would be far healthier
>for little Johnny Sprockethead to live a "normal" childhood while he can (no
>offense intended to Janey Sprockethead (-: ), and leave the "Child discovers
>Internet, Hobbit/recluse lifestyle follows - Film At Eleven" stuff until
>College.

To address your concern, it doesn't matter...the future of humanity
is virtual :)

But seriously, the Internet has vast potential for educational use.
I can't even begin to explain how much I have learned from
Usenet alone...neural nets, public key cipher systems, 
nuclear power, spacecraft and science, astronomy, amateur radio,
electronics, etc.

Course, that was between MUDs, NetTrek, and alt.rave...

-Thomas
 resident technoshaman




Newsgroups: alt.internet.services,alt.wais
From: beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER)
Subject: Re: Publishing Articles Through the Net
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Salt Lick, UT
Date:  6 Jan 1993 23:24 MST  


Doesn't this already exist competitively with service hierarchies
such as CLARnet and AMERIcast ?
From: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Is there a single site for FAQs?
Keywords: news.answers ftp gopher
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:01:59 GMT
Reply-To: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Followup-To: alt.internet.services
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <kko.726381668@sfu.ca> kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko) writes:

>>Is there a single site where FAQs from many groups are located? Such a 
>>site would cut down on the amount of wasted bandwidth I (and others) use 
>>just to get the "instruction sheets".
>
>the ftp site pit-manager.mit.edu has almost all FAQs (take a look at 
>/pub/usenet and /pub/usenet/news.answers) ...

Europeans (but also other people) can try

	ftp.win.tue.nl:/pub/usenet/news.answers

Files are stored with their original Archive-Names. This archive can be
searched (by WAIS) and files can be retrieved via our Gopher on

	gopher.win.tue.nl port 70 path /tue/usenet

When displaying the news.answers directory with Gopher, not the filenames
but the Subject lines are shown. Try it. Comments to gopher@win.tue.nl.

Arjan
From: nanda@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Newsgroup for FoxPro 2.0 ??
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:49:23 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services



Is there a newsgroup for Foxpro??

pls respond directly to me  

thanx

praba

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: cmkilli@ns.pacbell.com (Buster Killion)
Subject: Re: Internet access for high schools?
Organization: Knowledge Network/Pacific Bell
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.153901.2503@vpbuild.vp.com>, jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know of any high schools that have been connected to the
> Internet?
> 
I am working on a project for Pacific Bell called the Knowledge Network
Project. It is a partnership between Pacific Bell and the California
State University System. Its purpose is to connect up to 700 High Schools in
California to the Internet.  We are actually connecting K-14 Schools.
Schools to date connected or in the process of being connected are:

Davis High School, Davis
Center High School, Sacramento
Lowell High School, San Francisco
Overfelt High School, San Jose
Brea Olinda High School, Brea
Logan High School, Union City
California Academy of Math & Science, Domingues Hills
Kennedy Jr. High, Cupertino
Mariposa ELEMENTARY School, Carmichael
L.A. Harbor Community College

We work with the schools at a technical level helping them get everything
hooked up and working, getting them PD Software.  All Schools are connected
with 56Kbs Digital links to concentrating Hubs, then to CSUnet.   Then we
provide training for teachers and selected students.  We work with the teachers 
to help them create curriculum plans and courses that make use of the
internet.  We provide a "approved" Net News server, an E-Mail Server,
Help desk, network management and Technical Consultation.  We also are 
beta testing Dial SLIP and Dial PPP Access for Students and teachers 
for home access to the internet.

I am the engineer in charge of school connections.  The Project Leader
is Steve Bucey (sbucey@eis.calstate.edu), The Product Manager is Cathy
Maninang (cmanin@srv.PacBell.COM).


Buster Killion (cmkilli@ns.pacbell.com)


Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: James.Gorak <James.Gorak@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: How to send to AT&T Easylink?
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 17:32:09 GMT

In <C0Aw4D.6H1@panix.com> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:

>can some kind soul remind me how to send email to 
>someone on AT&T Easylink?

You need the EasyLink subscriber's 8 digit EasyLink number (ELN), which
always (I think) starts with 62, i.e. 62xxxxxx. Address the email to:

                    62xxxxxx@elm.attmail.com

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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: jerry@iat.holonet.net (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Quest for INTERNET access in Baton Rouge area
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:11:35 GMT

behel@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Kevin Behel) writes:
: 
: 	I don't know if this is the "proper" news group for this, but hopefully
: someone here can help me. 
: 	I've been reading every file I can find on the subject of Internet
: access through BBS's and other organizations. Rather than asking a question,
: I'll give the problem:
: 
: 	A friend of mine lives in Baton Rouge. She wants to be able to access
: the internet so she can send e-mail, telnet, etc. I know that Fidonet mail
: can go to the internet, but this is slow and she wants to use telnet too.
: I've seen a list of public dialup internet access sites, but it looks like
: most of those deal with companies, and the information is not very detailed.
: If anyone can help me with ideas, suggestions, sites that provide this - send
: me email at behel@cs.utk.edu    So far the best idea I've come up with is
: long distance calls to the Cleveland FreeNet, however I would think there
: would be services that use Tymnet or some other similar service that would
: allow low phone rates throughout the day. Any help in this would be appreciated.
: 
: Thankyou
: 
: Kevin

Check out Holonet. Send an email to info@holonet.net and you will get an
automated reply on what the offer. This response will also list several
other automated e-mail ids for information on pricing, etc. It can be
accessed through several networks including Tymnet and PSI. Rates are
reasonable and you get full Internet access. Interface is nice--its all
menu driven.

Good Luck,
Jerry


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Xref: sparky alt.internet.services:2415 biz.comp.services:419
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services,biz.comp.services
Subject: New govt. bbs, FedWorld.
From: mcdonald@vax1.umkc.edu (Gary Lee McDonald)
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:48:00 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

-- 

My boss just sent me a copy of an article from ComputerWorld (1-11-93 ...
no page no.) about a new 'mother of all computer bulletin boards', FedWorld.

It's established by the Dept. of Commerce.  9600 number is (703)321-8020.
Sounds quite interesting!  The next to last paragraph mentions that it might
be made available via a commercial network or connected to Internet.

Anybody know of net connection yet??

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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Internet access
From: devin@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Devin the Elephant)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:43:48 GMT
Organization: Telerama
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Nathan Otto Siemers (ns14@crux2.crux2.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:
: 	I've always thought that alt.internet.access.wanted was a dumb
: idea, as whoever has or knows about access would not read that group!

I don't agree.  A lot of the people who read
alt.internet.access.wanted are internet service providers, who have a
significant interest in helping people find net access, especially if
it involves using their service.

Also, there are some truly helpful people around.  I pity you if you
haven't encountered them.
From: clgp15@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: WANTED USENET NEWS OR FREENET ACCESS
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:01:27 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Does anyone know a site l can telnet to, so as to get a full usenet news
feed.my site only gets a partial feed, ie they censor the good stuff.l really
only want to read the news, and extract items to my home directory, l don't
need a posting facility.l would prefarably like a system running vax/vms
news as l am used to this but any other systems would do if l can't get
this.
also l amm looking for a freenet l can access through telnet and get an
an account without having to send anything off.
by the way, dose anyone know of any good,free telnet services in britain.
please e-mail replies,thanks.
andy
From: wolf@cs.mcgill.ca (Paul MCNABOLA)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Internet access
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:31:21 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan6.174348.10818@telerama.pgh.pa.us> devin@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Devin the Elephant) writes:
>Nathan Otto Siemers (ns14@crux2.crux2.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:
>: 	I've always thought that alt.internet.access.wanted was a dumb
>: idea, as whoever has or knows about access would not read that group!
>
>I don't agree.  A lot of the people who read
>alt.internet.access.wanted are internet service providers, who have a
>significant interest in helping people find net access, especially if
>it involves using their service.
>
>Also, there are some truly helpful people around.  I pity you if you
>haven't encountered them.
>

Or if you currently have access, but will be losing it and need to find 
public access in your area you can look in alt.internet.access.wanted.
Paul McNabola          wolf@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

"Always available, never free" ---Buck Godot
From: regnad@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Paul Prescott)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Area Code lookup?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:44:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Land of Forgotten Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu


Thanks, I now have a couple of leads to chase down.

Note to all those who suggest(ed) that I use the phone book:  The info
presented in the telephone directory is much too general.  The map(s)
show only major cities, and trying to compare a large, detailed map to
the directory maps is very error prone.  In these days of service charges
for LD information, wrong guesses can add up to a significant expense.


Paul Prescott
regnad@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: dmiller@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (David L. Miller)
Subject: Office of Naval Research RFPs?
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 04:15:38 GMT

Is there a way to access current RFPs from the Office of Naval Research?


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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: mycroft7@vesta.unm.edu (Cliff Coy)
Subject: E-mail to fax??
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:35:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

	How difficult would it be to send an E-mail message to a fax machine?
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Re: Internet addresses of UK universities and companies?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:58:16 GMT

I am trying to find the emaila ddress of a friend I have who goes
to wellesely (sp?) college.

She told me she did have an email address, however I am having
problems finding the school's comptuer. I think my main problem
is that I just don't know how to spell "wellesely".  The college
is not listen in the college email addresses FAQ either.

Thanks


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From: greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services,alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Does anyone want/need Internet access in Florida?
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:50:45 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Say, I was wondering if there's a big demand for Internet access down in the
Florida area (in the Daytona region or perhaps another region?  Like Orlando)? 
I'm considering opening up an Internet node in Florida (we have one in Rhode
Island) and I'm just wondering what the demand would be.  Feel free to reply
vcia email...

Andy, greenie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: ns14@crux2.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Subject: Re: Internet access
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ.
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:51:04

>>>>> On 6 Jan 93 08:01:18 GMT, kchu@unixg.ubc.ca (Kwan Chu Chu) said:
 Kwan> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca



 Kwan> The Usenet news here only provide a very limited amount of
 Kwan> newsgroup to choose. Is there any site outthere I can telnet to
 Kwan> in order to have a much more complete access to other
 Kwan> newsgroups?

 Kwan> I know this should be posted to alt.internet.access.wanted, but
 Kwan> I have no access to this newsgroup as well.

	I've always thought that alt.internet.access.wanted was a dumb
idea, as whoever has or knows about access would not read that group!

	*Duh*

sol.ctr.columbia.edu is accesable to me, but it is too far for you for
it to be practical.  ftp to pit-manager.media.mit.edu  or maybe it is
really pit-manager.mit.edu  and look for the list of accessable
services in alt.bbs.internet or alt.internet.services.  Or wait.  


	I did see a recent posting of an NNTP server in california..


Nathan Siemers
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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Subject: Re: Patent Search Possible?
Keywords: patent,search
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:15:17 GMT

In <1993Jan6.174842.14257@henson.cc.wwu.edu> fewings@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Fewings David) writes:

>Can anyone tell me if it is possible to search for a patent by TELNET or FTP?  I'm interested in USA patents especially, but anything on other countries would also be welcome. THANKS

Well, if you have an account with Lexis or Dialog, there are ways to reach
each of them via FTP.  Then you type in your account number and password,
and then you can search for patents.

Hope that helps.


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From: mcscs1wji@dct.ac.uk (Bil Irving)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: FTP sites anyone??
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:56:39 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Hi,

Don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but does anyone know
where I can get an up to date list of FTP sites?

I'm rather new to all this...

Thanks in advance,

Bil
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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us (Mitra)
Subject: Re: APC / IGC
Organization: Pandora Systems
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:38:45 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Matthew Liste (liste@geos01.sinet.slb.com) wrote:
: Does anyone have any info about APC (Association for progressive communications)?, such as what their policy is, how one can contact them etc. etc. A name 
: within APC with an Email address would be useful.
: 
: -Matthew		(liste@oslo.sgp.slb.com)

Your closest APC site would be nordnet, I believe the address would be
support@nn.apc.org, if that doesnt work query the English site,
GreenNet, whose address is support@gn.apc.org

- Mitra

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: eow9232@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Central "phone-book" machine on Internet?
Reply-To: eow9232@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:57:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.102819.1657@ulrik.uio.no>, 
        jawil@hpx13.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:
>Is there a central machine on the internet containing infor about domains,
>users etc? (Like the nic.ddn.mil machine for the military network..)
>
>Such a machine would be nice for searching for users, getting EMail addresses
>etc..
>                              EMail: jawil@aid.no

Umm, my understanding is that the list changes too often and is too large to be
maintained.  The following is a [buggy] explanation.  Read at your own risk :-)

The way _many_ (not all) computers on the internet turn a name (ulrik.uio.no,
for example) into a number (129.240.12.4) is to use to Domain Name System.  The
DNS, as I understand it, allows you to keep a few names & numbers (like the
ones in your own domain).  Other addresses are passed to the next router (a
machine that interfaces your network to the next network or to the internet,
depending on how you're set up) and if it doesn't know the answer, it passes
the request on...  Eventually what happens is that if no one else answers, then 
the top domain (.no) knows to ask the next domain down (uio) and if it knows
then it answers...  and so on.  Clear as gold? :-)

Ned.
eow9232@rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: aa375@Freenet.carleton.ca (Peter Scott)
Subject: Re: Freenet....
Reply-To: aa375@Freenet.carleton.ca (Peter Scott)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:16:28 GMT


In a previous article, mappler@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler) says:

>I am going to lose my news feed shortly.  Is the freenet system the
>appropriate place to keep Usenet access???  I will still have telnet,
>e-mail.  So, I can telnet out to the freenet, but will they provide me
>with Usenet news?  If not, please tell me where I should try to get
>access to the usenet...  Thank you.

To read Usenet news on a FREE-NET you need an account. Just go to any of
the "Administration" areas and download an application form for starting
an account. I regularly read news on the Cleveland, Youngstown and Capital
FREE-NETS.
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us (Mitra)
Subject: Re: APC / IGC
Organization: Pandora Systems
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:20:01 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

The U.S. address is support@igc.apc.org

- Mitra
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Area Code lookup?
From: jherndo@eis.calstate.edu (John Herndon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:59:50 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Depending on your type of machine.. if it is a MSDOS based PC, then there
are plenty of shareware programs you can obtain through a local bulletin
board.  I'm not sure about other systems.
 

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: whg@inel.gov (Bill Gray)
Subject: path to iaea1, iitk.ernet.in
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 01:40:08 GMT

Can some kind soul(s) out there suggest a path to:

	iaea1:	this,  I believe is a host at the International
		Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna,  AT.  I have 
		queried the top level domain servers for AT to
		no avail.

	iitk.ernet.in:  a host somewhere in India.  I have queried
		the likely servers returned by ns.nic.ddn.mil,
		also to no avail.

More generally,  what is a good strategy to follow when the resolvers
fail,  as they seem to have done in this instance?

Please excuse such an elementary question;  the Internet still looks like
an amorphous blob to me;  it's hard find a handle.

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From: yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott A Yanoff)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Is there any english to english dictionary on internet ?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:05:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1993Jan12.183937.5188@athena.mit.edu>, by cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo):
> In article <MENJAN.93Jan12112843@ra.cs.umb.edu> menjan@cs.umb.edu (Men-Jan Lin) writes:
> By English to English Dictionary, I am assuming that you mean
> a plain english dictionary. You can access one by webster by
> telnetting to
> cs.indiana.edu or 129.79.254.191
> type HELP for info.

I think it should be:
 -Webster               telnet cs.indiana.edu 2627 or 129.79.254.191 2627
    offers: Dictionary/Spelling service.  Type "HELP" for info.  (ALL CAPS!)

    You forgot the 2627  (the port #)
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