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From: yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler)
Subject: Re: Becoming aware
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 21:33:54 GMT


As written in the previous post, meditation and supression of emotions is  
definatedly not the only way to achieve awareness (is it a way at all).   
On the contrary, for me what has given me alot of my awareness, is the  
intelligent use of alcohol (something 99% of the population of this stupid  
country--hate to say it but it's also my country--- don't understand or  
know anything about).   I guess if you push that logic to its extremes you  
go into drugs and induced states and stuff, but I myself haven't gone that  
far, and I'm doing just fine with alcohol (where I can find it in this  
dictatorial oppressive police-state).
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From: pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline)
Subject: Re: what do you mean?
Keywords: a clue
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:10:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.204504.13323@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes:
>I.n F.act Y.ou're O.range
>U.mbilical C.reates A.nd N.egates R.eal E.nglish
>A.nd D.estroys T.houghts H.appily
>I.mplying S.elflessness...

Based on this extraordinary saying, and based on all those other
articles he posted in the last couple weeks where he follow-up'ed to
other articles with random phrases, I would conclude that he either
was temporarily coo-coo, was high on drugs, was trying to be annoying,
or else he completely transcended his ego self and finally achieved
total enlightenment! Way to go Bob! Keep up the good work :-)

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:22:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67455@cup.portal.com> <2296@csisles.Bristol.AC.UK> <67638@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folks: I believe the show was called Hairy and the Wilkersons.
John Winston.
From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Becoming aware
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:06:53 GMT
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Lorenzo, you wrote:

: I wrote:
:: No?  I'd say that many eastern traditions teach outright avoidance of
:: emotional expression along with their meditative practice, so in Earth
:: culture, I'd say there is a connection.  Fortunately, there are some
:: traditions that incorporate emotions healthily into meditation.
:
:I did not mean to imply that there are not some traditions that think
:suppression of emotion is a fine and spiritual thing. But if one does
:not own their emotions and work with them openly, well I think they
:will by tying up a little too much energy to really be meditating and
:not just sitting there chanting or whatever. But maybe I have a more
:narrow definition in mind of what meditation really is.
:: 
:: :Someone may think it does, but I will bet they have a pretty tough
:: :time meditating, let alone living.
:: 
:: I definately do, and my meditations are wonderful :-)  In fact, the
:: more
:
:Huh? I meant some think suppression of emotions goes with meditation,
:and I don't think you definitely do think that too, unless I have
:misread the rest of your writings.
:
:: I work with my emotional expression, the DEEPER and FARTHER I can go 
:: in my meditation.  Fact.
:: 

My apologies.... the moon was full and I was in a pissy mood yesterday.
I knew we are in great alignment on these issues, but for some reason
your comments seemed terribly contradictory.  Perhaps I should have taken
that as a sign I wasn't understanding you correctly.

SOmetimes the mind just isn't in gear.

Steve
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From: holland@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Music
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:41:21 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

What is considered New Age music ?

and have you ever listened to echoes by a group called Pink Floyd ?
Esp. ythe lyrics are 'heavy into new age'

Just a question and a thought
From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (The only thing God didn't do to Job was give him a computer.)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:03:11 EST

> In article <1992Oct12.185528.15804@tc.fluke.COM>, nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng) writes:
> : 
> : 
> : BTW, I am here to discuss newage and eastern thought, and yes, I will
> : approach it as immoral.  

well, as Heraclitus said 2300 or so years ago... bigotry is
the disease of religions. 

Is anyone able to read arnold nordeng's furious ravings and feel 
anything but repulsion, or at best feel sorry for him? Does anyone
read them and feel the least bit attracted to Christianity? I'd really
like to know. 

   ando.

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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: My "ufo" experience! :) (was Re: July 4, 1992 - )
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:55:31 GMT
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science

In article <1992Oct8.195241.1274@u.washington.edu>, pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) writes in part:
|> [...] I made a
|> decision to "raise my vibration", but I didn't *try* to do it, I just
|> did, and only spend about two seconds affirming it, rather than doing
|> any metaphysical formalities. Then, I made a thought like "Ok, show
|> yourselves.." and right then I immediately saw a "shooting star"!

Did you ever get it to happen a second time?
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 20:30:22 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

1>+D
Dear Folks: Now to answer a 
few questions. I was asked why I got kicked off of the computer for a while. 
 I had too much mail in one day and too much mail overall in my Portal 
E-mail account and they fined me which depleated my account to zero so they 
kicked me off.  They explained it to me and forgave me and put me back on 
again. The information about the Dolphin did come from the pulp magazine 
called Sun, Sept. 29, 1992 page 20.  
John Winston
DwD

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From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:53:47 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <67562@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>  After analyzing it mathematically Hapgood determined it could only be an 
>aerial view whose projection point  was miles above the meridian of the 
>Egyptian city of Alexandria, site of an ancient library.
>  And when he uncovered similar ancient maps, Professor Hapgood concluded that 
>the original maps were made by space travellers and were then copied by 
>scholars at the centuries-old library. 

In defence of poor Prof Hapgood, let me say that he concluded neither of
the above.  As he explains in his book, "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings"

(a) the Piri Reis map is based on an azimuthal equidistant projection
    whose centre is Lat 23.5N, Long 30E - the intersection of the
    Meridian of Alexandria and the Tropic of Cancer.  This was quite
    within the capabilities of the Hellenistic geometers, and the
    choice of Alexandria for the Prime Meridian not uncommon.

(b) the map was patched together out of several fragments, some in
    different projections, and at least once had its scale corrected
    to agree with the value given by Eratosthenes for the terrestrial
    circumference.  This was a miscorrection, since Eratosthenes was
    off by a few percent.

(c) the main "original" from which Reis made his map was Hellenistic,
    as the Admiral himself says in his marginal notes.

(d) but that map in turn probably originated from an earlier seafaring
    civilisation, whose history is now lost.

Well, pretty speculative, but still realistic.  No space aliens; no
aerial photography; no telepathic Pleideans.  Weekly World News put
that in all on their own.
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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:46:59 GMT

In article <67562@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes in part:
|>   Now these are my (John Winston) words. I don't know whether or not Columbus 
|> used this map but it does appear that some people had the ability to get up 
|> in space some distance to make this map. 
Incorrect conclusion.  It takes no space technology at all to make an 
inaccurate map.  The Piri Ue' is full of random blobs, which Hapgood 
and other enthusiasts interpret as wondrous things like Florida and 
Caribbean islands.

|> Source of Information; Weekly World News October 20, 1992. Page 3.
Which probably explains the inaccuraccy of this post.
From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: John?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:35:28 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <67308@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Everybody: I just got back from Mt. Shasta last night and will
>fill you in on things................................
>John Winston.

John, You said on your show that you got kicked off the net. What
happened? You're back?


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:26:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67775@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct16.063230.21064@u.washington.edu>

Dear Folk: The saying that I was saying did have something to do with
the song Age of Aquarius. It seems that wednesday OOBE train didn't 
get off the ground very well. Maybe I forgot to pay the electric bill.
John Winston.
From: davidh@cascade.ens.tek.com (David Hatcher)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:16:57 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Oct13.214326.21192@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes:


->)Is anyone able to read arnold nordeng's furious ravings and feel 
->)anything but repulsion, or at best feel sorry for him? Does anyone
->)read them and feel the least bit attracted to Christianity? I'd really
->)like to know. 
->)
->)   ando.
->
->  Necessary orders placed exclusively, numbskull
->  Or regular dirtbag example needing god
->  Selects invasive mental puke loving yam
->  Perversly reaching out verily
->  Inside dogma effervescent snorkles
->  Unless stupid without itching the hole
->  To have erotic empires xerox apples
->  Melting pleasingly like emerald
->  Ouchless farts holding onto weakness
->  Taking out big examples instinctively
->  Going nuts or racing after new temperance.

  This may be true at one level, but still, at another level, for many 
of us, he is presenting a window that when looked into makes Christianity 
look very bad. The point that you made I think is just one aspect of
why he is making Christinity look bad. The thing is, when we look upon
ourselfs, do we also too fall into that same trap? I can remember myself
doing it in my past. Hopefully, I've learned and do not fall into that 
trap as as much as before. But I know I still do it upon occasion. It's
sure ugly to see others do it. Watching them, I know how I look when I 
do it. Live and learn.



	Love is the life force breathed
	into the Heart/Mind flower center
	of harmonious human relationships.
			Al Huang

	David Hatcher
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 17:49:24 -0400 
From: William Perrin Slease <ws1q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:  Lorenzo's bashing of Christianity

>thousand years ago? He was created imperfect, and then punished for
>being imperfect?  He was cast out of paradise for acquiring knowledge?
>When you die, all you have to do is say "Oh, pretty pretty please forgive me,
>You who are so tremendously big, I am just an
>insignificant worm, please don't toss me on the barby!!" And poof, all
>is better.  But those poor schmucks who are not such toadies roast for

ok,

1) Nowhere does the Bible say we were created imperfect.  In fact, in
order to walk with God in the garden of Eden we must have been perfect
otherwise we wouldn't have been able to exist in such a close presence
with perfection, namely God.  We did have the choice to obey God's
command or not though...

2)  We weren't cast out for acquiring knowledge but for seeking our own
ends.  Notice the tree was the the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil.  We already had a knowledge of that, we knew to obey God was good
and to disobey was bad.  By succumbing to Satan's lies, we thought we
could come up with better rules for ourselves if we defined our own good
and evil.  We chose self-law (autonomy) over God's law.  Now obviously
the creator of the univers would have a much better idea of how things
work so we screwed ourselves and are suffering the consequences of
seeking our own ends rather than God's.

3)  Jesus himself tells us that in the end there will be many who cry
"Lord, Lord" to whom he will say "I do not know you."  Meaning there's a
little more to it than saying at the last possible moment, "God, pretty,
pretty please forgive me."  Forgiveness is conditional on repentance - a
clear and true choice to stop following your own will and to begin
follow God's.  God isn't easy, and you can't fool him the way you can
fool yourself.

Bill
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Lots of questions
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:36:49 EST

In article <1992Oct13.192428.26666@unislc.uucp>, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
> Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo (kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com) wrote:
> : In article <1b7bi3INN9k3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes:
> : > In a previous article, kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) says:
> : >>The "new age" was essentially started by Madame Blatavsky (sp?) in the late
> : >>1800's.  Why?  Money, what else?
> : > Not only can't you spell (are you a republicanoe?) but you are the first
> : > 'scholar' in the world to state that Blavatsky (Helena Petrova) started
> : > her organization (name it!) to MAKE MONEY, HA!  Grow up! Study *HARDER*!
> : You're absolutely correct.  It is Blavatsky.  Of course, you are correct about
> : the money.  She did not organize it for money.  She organized it for *power*.
> Oh, *nonsense*.  The so-called "New Age" has been around for thousands of
> years.  It's only now that we have instant global communication and all the
> other goodies that the Industrial Revolution gave us so we can mass print
> books and get stuff on TV so that millions of people can be exposed to
> "new" and different ideas.

Forgot the smiley.  8:-(.

GXKambic
standard disclaimer

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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Sexuality & Religion
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:32:28 GMT

William Perrin Slease (ws1q+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:

: :In meditation and reflective contemplation, one tries to communicate with
: :the "Godhead" within.  It's like going deep within yourself to find the
: :door to God, the way out of yourself.  Since most who meditate believe that
: :is the way to talk to God, I see no fundamental difference between meditation
: :to touch, to talk to God within one's soul and what Jesus did in the
: :wilderness, or in the garden at Gesemane.
: 
: Thank you for taking the time to respond, Ed.  What you say makes sense.
:  But I can understand where John and Arnold are hung up too.  If you go
: deep within yourself to find the door to God, aren't you in reality
: trusting in your own efforts to reach [the ambiguous] "Godhead."  What

But aren't you trusting in your own efforts when you pray?  You are trusting
that by praying, you are in communion with (or at least in communication with)
God, right?

: Lorenzo and John (and I) would say is that you are denying Jesus death
: in our stead as the only way our relationship with God could be

Not at all.  I don't see where denying Jesus' death or not denying would
have anything to do with it.  Do not the Jews pray?  Are their prayers not
heard by God?

: reconciled.  Now I guess the problem is that some don't feel we need to
: be reconciled but that we sort of simply lost touch with ourselves
: somehow or have forgotten or haven't realized/developed into our full
: potential.  But I don't see how a follower of Christ (a Christian) could
: say that.  As you can tell, I'm confused still...   

Jesus carried a message - love your fellow man, and love God.  The message
of his death could simply be the survival of the personality after death,
could it not?  The possibility of resurrection may be simply another way of
stating a case for reincarnation.  I'm not sure I understand the reconciliation
angle, unless by loving your fellow man and loving God you reconcile yourself
to God.  That *is* what Jesus taught, is it not?  I'm just trying to cut
through all the theological and doctrinal jungle to arrive at a single kernel
of truth here.

I'm not insisting that this is the way it is, but it's certainly an argument
worthy of consideration...
-- 
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"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
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From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Becoming aware
Date: 12 Oct 1992 17:20:51 GMT
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In article <Oct.12.08.16.32.1992.20987@ruhets.rutgers.edu>, farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
:In article <1992Oct10.213354.7488@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes:
:> 
:> As written in the previous post, meditation and supression of emotions is  
:> definatedly not the only way to achieve awareness (is it a way at all).   
:> On the contrary, for me what has given me alot of my awareness, is the  
:> intelligent use of alcohol (something 99% of the population of this stupid  
:> country--hate to say it but it's also my country--- don't understand or  
:> know anything about).   I guess if you push that logic to its extremes you  
:> go into drugs and induced states and stuff, but I myself haven't gone that  
:> far, and I'm doing just fine with alcohol (where I can find it in this  
:> dictatorial oppressive police-state).

This confuses me, because alchohol is definately a depressant, which only
clouds awareness. It may give you a false sense of relaxation and warmth, but
it has nothing to do with awareness.  Also, I never said that meditation
doesn't bring awareness.  And I'd be interested to hear what kind of "logic"
that will, when taken to an extreme, lead to drugs!  Logic would dictate
a complete abstention from substances, imho. 
:
:I am one of the 99%.  Please explain what you have achieved and how
:through the use of alcohol. 
:Also, suppression of emotions has little to do with meditation.

No?  I'd say that many eastern traditions teach outright avoidance of
emotional expression along with their meditative practice, so in Earth
culture, I'd say there is a connection.  Fortunately, there are some
traditions that incorporate emotions healthily into meditation.

:Someone may think it does, but I will bet they have a pretty tough
:time meditating, let alone living.

I definately do, and my meditations are wonderful :-)  In fact, the more
I work with my emotional expression, the DEEPER and FARTHER I can go 
in my meditation.  Fact.

:			-Lorenzo

Steve.

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Subject: Re: Sexuality and Religion
From: William Perrin Slease <ws1q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:25:15 -0400 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

:>As was more apparent later in your post, I think that you posit the
:>separation of body/mind/spirit which is quite Christian in origin.  You
:
:Just wanted to set the record straight:
:
:The body/mind/spirit split soul/flesh stuff is actually of Greek
:philosophical origin and was embraced (possibly mistakenly) by the early
:Christian church with the main purpose of evangelizing to a part of the
:world that perceived life in that manner.  
 
[ Deletion ]
 
:After writing all that, I guess you could say that the separation bit is
:Christian in origin. . . . 
 
>William, I will have to disagree here.  This split has been around way
>before Jesus even walked the earth.  Check out some of the ancient yogic


Exactly. What I meant was that if you understand that the thought was
not of Christian origin, you could say that the spread of the thought
was greatly aided by the early and later church and in that sense...you
know.  I apologize for not making myself clear, and you are right in
your history, I shouldn't say the thought was of Greek origin either,
only significantly developed there or rebirthed or whatever...you know
how sometimes you get excited about a thought and its hard to keep track
of everything you're thinking so you spill it out kind of quick and you
know what you meant anyway - so thanks for checking me.
: - )

Bill