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Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Obesity in the US (LONG)
From: Daniel.Prince@p0.f129.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Prince)
Date: 17 Jul 92 05:53:36 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:102/129.0 - One World, Redondo Beach CA

>from: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)

 geb> In article <1992Jul7.162414.19453@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
 geb> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes: >Could
 geb> you post a chart of ideal weights? >
 geb> No, sorry.  I just don't have time to type all that in.
 geb> 
 geb> The ideal weights are generally considered too thin by
 geb> most men.  However, they are established on an actuarial
 geb> basis.
 geb> Mine is 167 at 6'1".  At 175 I was 15% fat, but I suppose I would
 geb> not look that bad at 10%.

That looks like the correct figure for the 1959 chart which lists 
158 to 175 (mean of 166.5) for a male with a medium frame at 6' 
1".  But what about the 1983 and 1990 charts?  For someone of 
your height the 1983 chart is almost the same, 160 to 174 pounds.
(Shorter people are allowed higher weights in the 1983 chart than 
the 1959 chart.  In the '59 chart a medium frame 62" man is 
allowed 118 to 129 pounds, in the 83 chart 131 to 141.)  

The 1990 chart is completely different from the earlier ones.  
There are no differences between men and women and no frame 
sizes.  For someone 6' 1" it lists 144 to 189 pounds up to 35 
years of age and 159 to 205 for someone over 35.  These are 
heights without shoes and weight without clothes.  For someone 
62" tall it list 104 to 137 pounds up to age 35 and 115 to 148 
over 35.

... If you can't find it, you can't use it!

 

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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: thumb numbness
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:56:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul26.225633.22541
Organization: Western Washington University



I just started a new job as a cook,  one of the duties we have is
to clean our work area with bleach and cleaning concentrate before
we close up.

I apparently cut my thumbnail too short last week, and on the second
night, after immersing my hands in both bleach-water and cleaning-
concentrate (required), I noticed that my thumb is dead-numb from 
the nail forward.  I had another nail with a tear in it, and this one
is starting to get numb too.   They don't hurt a bit, they just feel
numb, and have all week.

Which chemical is the likely culprit?   I assume this isn't a big
deal, only temporary, etc, or people wouldn't be using the chems to
clean with.    Anyone know what it sounds like?

JD
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: American University of the Caribbean
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:48:11 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <BrLupy.L2q@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> kalam@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Kalam Ahmed) writes:
>
>I would like some info on the American University of The Caribbean.
>I understand it is located in Monserrat is it Recognized by the AMA and
>Is it accredited by AAMC? are grads from this university eligable for 
>intrenship in America and Canada, also what kind of GPA are they looking for?.

As far as I know this is an unaccredited school and you would be
treated similarly to any other foreign medical graduate as far as
getting a residency.  
Most of these Caribbean schools are more interested in your financial
situation than your academic ability.

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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: is sugar bad for you?
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:06:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.121402.27045@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>In article <KPC.92Jul22225710@zog.arc.nasa.gov> kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>
>>is sugar bad for you if you don't get fat from it, other than by
>>promoting tooth decay?  can it cause blood sugar problems?  is honey
>>any better?
>
>	Sugar (regardless of type) does not cause diabetes or any other
>	serious condition UNLESS one is afflicted with one of the relatively
>	rare sugar metabolism conditions...usually a result of some
>	genetic enzyme deficiency.


 RTw  07/02 0755  RESEARCHERS SAY OBESITY MAY BE HEREDITARY

    MELBOURNE, July 2, Reuter - Overweight people can blame fat parents, says
an Australian medical expert.
    "The hereditary contribution to obesity is very high. It can be as high as
50 to 60 per cent, which means that obese people are being blamed and made to
feel guilty about being fat when it's not their fault," Professor Paul Zimmet
said on Thursday.
    Zimmet, director of the International Diabetes Institute, said new
findings, part of a study by teams in Australia and the United States, had
confirmed a genetic defect in certain populations with a high risk of
developing obesity-linked disease such as diabetes.
    "However, this discovery is classed as a major breakthrough in that it has
identified a genetic tendency which causes the disorder," he said.
    He said the research defined the defect in a critical metabolic step in the
body's capacity to metabolise sugar.

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From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Newsgroups: sci.med,connect.audit
Subject: Re: Use of term allopath
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:20:38 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.

In article <1992Jul27.235859.7935@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>I did not claim alternative medicine did all of those things. I did say
>Chinese medicine can cure asthma. Chinese herbal medicine is effective for
>certain types of heart disease, not valvular heart disease. IT usually 

Steroids cure asthma - if anything actually "cures" asthma.

>does not cure diabetes, but it can reduce insulin dependence. It can very
>effectively treat many forms of arthritis. Please provide the quote 

Arthritis is often a waxing/waning illness.  

>where I said anything about "making joints normal". If you want to continue
>to live in your own narrow world, thinking  only so-called scientific medicine
>has any validity and all else is quackery, be my guest. But you do not
>know what you are talking about. Stick to "scientific medicine" where
>you have expertise.
>-- 

By their nature, alternative medicines are largely untested.  This does not
mean that they do not work.  It means that they are untested.  Of course, 
so, by and large, is battery acid.   Apply caution before considering
alternative therapies - they offer no certainty of improvement beyond a
placebo effect.

(Yes, of course some of the same applies to some areas of conventional
medicine - but there are many things that without doubt are done right
by conventional medicine.)

Michael

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From: allison@hal.COM (Dennis Allison)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Side Effects of Deet N,N-dimethyl-meta-toluamide
Summary: Looking for side effect information
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:27:27 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dennis.hal.com

I'm curious about known side-effects in humans of Deet,
N,N-dimethyl-meta-toluamide, a commonly used insect repellent.
E-mail responses preferred.
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers...(was: Colonic irrigations)
Keywords: alt medicine
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:50:38 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Jul28.232311.17133@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
>
>I knew of a case of a little girl with round worms who passed them all
>rectally after eating a whole jar of dill pickles.  Her mother said she
>seemed to crave them.  What do you think?
>
People who have worms pass masses of them from time to time.  I
certainly would not assume she passed them all, though.  QUite
unlikely really.  I see no reason that the worms would cause a
craving for pickles.  Never heard of anyone else that was so
affected.

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Xref: sparky sci.med:14458 misc.consumers:14466
From: markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins)
Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.consumers
Subject: Why discard contact lens solution after 90 days?
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:41:33 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

I wear gas permeable contact lenses and use Boston lens solution.
I'd like to keep a bottle of solution at work for now-and-then use,
but I wonder about the "discard after 90 days" warning.  Do I really
have to trash a $6 bottle from which I've only used 3 drops?

They don't say WHY to discard it, but I can think of three possible
reasons:

(1) "The solution undergoes a slow chemical change, and after 90 days is
ineffective and/or potentially harmful, so it should be discarded."

(2) "The likelihood of you contaminating the solution by touching the
tip or otherwise fumbling through your filthy rituals approaches 100%
after 90 days, you futzball, so you'd better discard the solution if
you know what's good for you."

(3) "You're likely to think of (1) or (2) (though neither is true), and 
we'll make more money."

So what's the deal?  Is there any good reason for me to toss a bottle
of solution after 90 days?

Thanks in advance for any info on this.


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From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Use of term allopath
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:15:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <15934@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>I agree that it should be investigated, and in India, it is.
>I know several Indian doctors who tell me that they do investigate
>the traditional herbs there.  One I talked to recently
>feels that most of them don't do what they are claimed to, but 
>he says that in some fields, such as dermatology, they are quite
>good.

One has to be careful with one's informants, though.  For many years
it was thought that Brazilian native herbology was pretty useless, until
a pharmacologist (Sholtes, U. Florida) started visiting them.  It seems
that prior to him, people had been using a list compiled by a Catholic
missionary.  Sholtes, a Unitarian with no interest in proselytizing,
actually joined the Indians in their hallucinogenic rituals, which had
little effect on him (6'5", >200 lbs.).  He found lots and lots of herbs
with strong effects, thanks to his informants.

Sholtes asked his friends what had gone on with the missionary.  One of
them said that his grandparents had dealt with the guy, and with his
persistent questions and insistence on the supremacy of this Jesus fellow,
he was pretty obnoxious.  So they got him back by lying to him.
-- 
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Computer Science Department	fulk@cs.rochester.edu
From: EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: ulnar nerve compression at elbow
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:23:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I admit, this is a very strange question, but inquiring minds want to know:
given that I have ulnar nerve compression at my elbow, why would the elbow
hurt when I swallow?  Do the muscles/tendons in your arms automatically
tense when you swallow?  Thanks in advance.
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From: uad1214@dircon.co.uk (Peter Cox)
Subject: 60 Minutes-Heart Disease & The French
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:17:21 GMT



A recent "60 Minutes" programme featured (I hope these
names are correct) Kurt ELLISON (from Boston) Serge RENAULT
and Monique ASTIER-DUMAS (from INSERM).

The theory being propounded was:  Despite the high level of
fat consumption in France, they suffer far less from CHD
than Americans.  Reason advanced:  Americans drink more
milk, whose calcium greatly aids in the uptake of serum
lipids.  Also, wine consumption helps lower lipids.

I wonder if anyone knows of any published research which
tends to support this theory?
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: tennis elbow
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:58:32 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

It's an injury of forearm tendons where they attach to your elbow.
You don't have to play tennis to get it. Any exertion greater than
what your forearm is capable of may cause it. Examples include opening
a jar, pitching a baseball, bowling, and carrying heavy luggage.

There are two types: forehand and backhand.

The only treatment is to rest until you can once again move your 
forearm and wrist against resistance without pain. There are
exercises, but you shouldn't begin them until all pain is gone.
Ignoring the pain and exercising anyway, will cause permanent
injury.
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Curing asthma; was: Re: Use of term allopath
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:11:30 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul29.194910.6420@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:

>Ah, but they are. Almost any acupuncturist (even one who isn't all
>that good) can point you to some asthma patient they have cured. That's
>because asthma isn't that difficult to treat with Chinese medicine. 

Or because mild asthma can go away by itself over a period of years?
Mine certainly has faded out nicely over the past 5 years or so...
not totally gone yet, but another few years should do it.

(And it's well known that the Chinese have a traditional herb, ephedra,
which is a bronchodilator that relieves asthma attacks, and which is widely
used in "traditional western" medicine.)

>THere are a number of acupuncture journals (peer-
>reviewed even) available which cover report such studies. 

How about asthma or pneumonology journals?



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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Traditional" Medicine v. Objective Proof
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:39:14 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <aPBmr*gf1@bkhouse.cts.com> nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft) writes:
>
>> Some (such as traditional
>> Indian medicine) may even have a lot of valid empirical 
>> knowledge in them. 
>
>Are you speaking of Ayurvedic medicine here? It's something that I've
>sort of looked at a few times, but certainly not in depth. That you,
>such a skeptic of traditional systems, would concede a 'lot of valid
>empirical knowledge' to Ayurveda is interesting to me.

Indian physicians that I respect tell me that they have many
useful concoctions, especially for skin diseases.  Many useful
drugs were discovered by the ancients, and I see no contradiction
in this.  Of course that doesn't mean you have to swallow their
theories for why they work.  I'm not talking about the Maharishi
variety of medicine, which I consider quackery, but the traditional
kind found in India.


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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:44
Organization: Private Coherent 3.2.1 site waiting for 4.0

mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
> "Marijuana has never caused a death" is a factoid that I hear quoted
> often.  And I'm not inclined to believe it.  Hasn't even _one_ stoned
> driver ever been involved in a fatal car accident?

But then, I never heard "alcohol is responsible for most car and working
accidents, so let's make it illegal" (which is a fact) from officials either...

--ralf
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From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Subject: Re: Questions for MDs
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:16:28 GMT

In article <Brz49F.GDt@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
:From article <1992Jul25.184059.3733@ibmpcug.co.uk>, by george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman):
:mv> I can assure you that most first world nations offer patients 
:mv> redress from gross incompetence.  In fact, most first world
:mv> nations offer redress from even moderate incompetence.
:mv> 
:mv> The expanding problem in the US and other places is the ability
:mv> to sue for minor or less incompetences, where nobody dies and
:mv> where even there is no major ongoing suffering, and still
:mv> provide large payouts.
:
>If this problem is expanding in the US, as you say, it seems to 
>me that it would be reflected in the statistical figures.  Have 
>the payouts increased over the past thirty years or so?  
>[evidence please].  Incidently,  the cost of liability insurance 
>for doctors and hospitals in the US is less than 1% of the total US 
>health care budget?  
>
>A friend of mine is a respected dentist who strongly believes 
>that the ability of patients to sue doctors should be sharply 
>curtailed.  Yet, I discovered a few years ago that he had recently 
>sued his interior decorator because he had developed a distaste 
>for the color of the wallpaper that the decorator had recommended 
>for his office.  If it's ok for a dentist to file a suit over the 
>color of wallpaper, it seems to me that a dental patient ought to 
>be able to sue a dentist who's allegedly performed in a 
>fraudulent or negligent manner.  
>
>-- 
>Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
>russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ

Yes, that would seem to be a double standard that your friend has
put foreward, from what you describe.

I don't know what changes have occured in the US, so perhaps its
not an expanding problem - I may have to stand corrected.

However, I do know that a great deal of defensive medicine is 
practiced in the US, and that this is because of the litigation 
rather than out of any concern for the people who are ill.

And, 1% of the health care budget probably is about 10% of the
cost of medical care (or more) as actually seeing a doctor is 
generally the cheap bit of getting the care organised.

Also, I think that if it is truly 1% of total outlay, and that
the cost of health care is 10% of the US GNP, that would
mean that for every $1000 you earn, $1 goes to malpractice.

Its not insubstantial.  Its bigger than the GNP of many 
small countries.


Michael

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft)
Subject: Re: Clinical Trials on Homeopathic Remedies
Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:56:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.201233.6875@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>Only low-potency homeopathics are generally available OTC. 
x
Uh-huh.  So, is a "high-potency homeopathic" one with greater or
lesser concentration than a "low-potency homeopathic?"
(relax, Steve and Ken, I'm not serious)
Gee, :=), then the most potent thing you can get is distilled
water, or maybe distilled vacuum....


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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Use of term allopath
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:58:59 GMT

In article <15783@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.201812.7031@island.COM= green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
   
>=Antibiotics are the exception, rather than the rule. Most allopathic
>=treatments are geared toward maintenance, rather than cure. Examples
>=of this include diabetes, most forms of heart disease, asthma, arthritis, etc.
>
>Hmm. Alternative medicine cures diabetes, corrects valvular heart disease,
>reverses asthma and makes joints normal? TUBS.

I did not claim alternative medicine did all of those things. I did say
Chinese medicine can cure asthma. Chinese herbal medicine is effective for
certain types of heart disease, not valvular heart disease. IT usually 
does not cure diabetes, but it can reduce insulin dependence. It can very
effectively treat many forms of arthritis. Please provide the quote 
where I said anything about "making joints normal". If you want to continue
to live in your own narrow world, thinking  only so-called scientific medicine
has any validity and all else is quackery, be my guest. But you do not
know what you are talking about. Stick to "scientific medicine" where
you have expertise.
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green@island.com            that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: ALS
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:38:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul22.023800.6442
Reply-To: kim@techbook.com (91)
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135


How is ALS diagnosed?  Is there a definitive test or symptom?

  --Kim
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