From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddamn
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:01:04 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1jnv0bINNfgk@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes:
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>I'd like to address here the term "Islamic unity" and how
>that is related to Saddam.  Islamically, are you supposed to
>be on the side of Iraq or USA during that bloody war?
>The intentions of the West/Israel/USA was known, that's
>why *ALL* of Jihadic/islamic movements around the world was
>in support or at least on the side of Iraq.  All of less
>islamic poppet governments, such as Saudia/Qatar/...etc
>took the other side.  Can you really say there was an
>islamic split?  I don't think so.

Actually, as we are referring to the Gulf War, the scholars
rejected and denounced both Western intervention and Saddam's
invasion.  Of course the Islamic position was to "resist the
imperialist invasion ... which is pan-Arab, Islamic, and universal
responsibility", "to liberate the Islamic world from any foreign
tutelage".  [Dr. Arabiyyat, Brotherhood spokesman]  The overall
philosophy was in accordance with mainstream Islamic thought in
that "disputes must be settled within an Arab or Islamic framework",
but there was still the question of Saddam's vindication of his
invasion of another Muslim nation [nation comprised of Muslim peoples
verses structure of government].  Furthermore, the legitimacy,
Islamically of declaring jihad [especially on Israel], as a means of
fueling support among Muslims.  There was still the uncertainty with
the concepts of jihad and what it meant and how it was applied in
"international politics", apart from the fact that Saddam is not a
Muslim leader. 

In Algeria, for example, the Islamic groups merged their ideas on
the issue, but Dr. Abassi Madani [FIS leader] condemned Saddam
Hussein/Iraq of its invasion of Kuwait from the beginning, stating
that the FIS leadership refused "Saddam's pretensions to be leading
a jihad", and discouraged his supporters from "elevating Saddam into
a hero". 
 
The Arab states were still in a difficult position between "public opinion
favorable to Saddam Hussein and their financial dependence on the
Gulf states", and this separation cause difficulties in "creating consensus
on foreign policy and national security issues'.  There was pressure, but
the deployment of troops produced distress among Arabs and Muslims in view
of Arab unity.  [All quotes from "Islamic Fundamentalism and the Gulf States"
by James Piscatori:  pp. 196, 75, 140, 19, 20]

>As to the islamism of Saddam, I cannot judge his heart really,
>but his previous deeds prove otherwise.  You can ALWAYS BE 
>a bad person, but when on the Freeway you see you are about
>to die from a big truck that's about to hit you, you say:
>Ya Allah out of fear.  i.e. you *remember* God when you 
>are under pressure, serious pressure.  I think *WE* ALL 
>can relate to issues like this in our lives.

There are too many Islamic positions to be taken against Saddam Hussein
in view of his sincerity Islamically - especially in view of his
leadership and record of causing the murders and misfortunes of Muslims
in Iraq, and, as a key player and [then] puppet utilized by the United
States.  Without being completely familiar with Sharia, as Muslims, we
know that there are legitimate judgement calls on such a ruthless
dictator, who only applies Islam when and to his advantage politically.

>I am not a Saddam supporter, but I cannot say that he's not
>a true islamic believer at this point.  Under pressure you
>can turn into a Salah-Adden, Abdullah Azzam, Omar,
>or Abu Bakr.

And Assad, also under pressure, declared 'ashado anla ellaha elallah,
wa ashado ana Mohammeden rasool Allah' publically, because he knew
that no Muslims could call on his assassination.  How can you say
that you do not support Saddam Hussein as a Muslim believer, yet claim,
with knowledge of his deeds, that you "cannot say that he's not a
true islamic believer at this point"?  Remember the words of Allah
[Subhanna Wa Ta'ala] in Hadith Qudsi:  "O My servants, I have forbidden
oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not
oppress one another...", "Truly of those devoted to Me the one I favor
is a believer who is of meagre means and much given to prayer, who has
been particular in the worship of his Lord and has obeyed Him inwardly,
who was obscure among people and not pointed out, and whose sustenance
was just sufficient to provide for him yet he bore this patiently...",
and, "Paradise and Hell-fire disputed together, and Hell-fire said: In me
are the mighty and the haughty.  Paradise said: In me are the weak and the
poor..."

>We could say he wrote "Allah o Akbar" on the iraqi flag
>to gain islamic support only, but why don't we apply the
>same analigy to Hamas as well.

The difference is that the Brotherhood calls for an Islamic
State and justice, fi sabeelellah.  They are pure and
believers in Allah Subhanna Wa Ta'ala.  Thousands died as a
result of their belief in Allah and Al-Quoran Al-Kareem.

The criminal Saddam has massacred millions of innocent people,
including gassing women and children, who called on Islam and
their rights as Muslims.  He has waged usless wars for his
profit and benefit politically, with the toll being the innocent
Muslim people.  Saddam's Political Party is against the Holy
Quoran and the Laws of Islam.
 
>We cannot judge people's heart most of the time except
>from their behavior.  I saw Saddam pray on TV, can you
>Anisa say that he's not , at that praying point, bowing
>to Allah?  Can you say he's not really praying for Him?
>No you shouldn't.

Can you make the same claim that he is?

If he had the tiniest ounce of fear of Allah The Almighty, he
would be repenting instead of defiantly breaking the treaties
that he made with his ex-collaborators, at the further expense
of Muslim people.

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