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From: keves@meaddata.com (Brian Keves)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:21:48 CDT
Subject: Re: Interview Travel Expenses

In article <umTqVB1w165w@seanews.akita.com> ghines@seanews.akita.com (Gary
Hines) writes:
>Last week a job shop called to let me know that one of their
>customers wanted to interview me but that I would have to pay
>my own travel expenses.  I said no thanks.  In this case the 
>travel costs would have been about $600 and the job was a
>three month contract.
>
>Since I am new to the world of contract software work, could
>some of the experienced job shoppers please tell me what is 
>typical with regard to payment of interview travel expenses?

I would say that nothing is "typical". Negotition is the key to
everything in the contract business. It is what determines
whether you make a profit or not. 

My favorite tactic is to get a percentage of my travel costs
reimbursed, whether I accept the contract (if offered) or not.
This works quite well if you are negotitating through a job
shop. You can usually pressure them for more favors than the
company directly since they have a stake in you getting the
contract and are usually willing to put some money on the
line to make sure you do.

If this doesn't work then just add the travel expenses, and
also the moving expenses you may incur, into the rate of the
contract. Even if you let them beat you back down to the
original rate you are only spending reasonable tax dedutible
amounts of money for contract hunting.

Of course the big thing to remember before you start any of
this is to make sure your experience matches the contract.
I have been able to get most of my contracts via phone
interviews only. I didn't even see the site until I arrived
for my first day of work. You have got to feel the contract
is perfect before you go out and spend your own money on it.

Brian
--
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Central
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Productivity
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Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:25:15 GMT
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From: btansill@netcom.com (Sequent Associates)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:15:15 CDT
Subject: Software Quality Assurance (recruiter)




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Subject: Software Quality Assurance (recruiter)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:16:54 GMT


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From: cisml@world.std.com (Marty Lebowitz)
Subject: Software Engineers (3) - Diagnostics  (MA/TX/FL)  Recruiter
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:13:02 GMT


#122292 - Sr. Software Engineers (3) - Diagnostics


Will be responsible for design and implementation of diagnostics
and tests of architecture for next generation multiprocessor systems.
Requires 3+ years industry experience with specialties and interests 
in C-programming, diagnostics, online exercisers, performance and 
health monitors, real-time systems, device drivers and UNIX-based 
Location: MA, TX, FL. Other intermediate and senior level openings 
(contract & direct) exists both locally and nationally.

For immediate consideration call or fax resume to:

Marty Lebowitz, President
CIS; Box 456
Brookline 02146 
Tel: 617- 232-8300
Fax: 617- 232-6240



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From: mbradley@terapin.com (Michael Bradley)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:47:41 CDT
Subject: Re: contract payment methods question

>bobert@informix.com (Robert Murphy) writes:
>> Well, over 80% of the bugs that have been reported against our project
>> have turned out to be in the client's libraries.  ...  In the future, what
>> should we do?  Should we build an automatic price increase into our
>> contracts for extra work caused by client screw-ups?  Are there other,
>> better ways of dealing with this sort of thing?
>
Murphy should renegotiate the contract. The bugs they're fixing are not their
own, so they have no responsibility for them and should not be fixing them
until they have added fixing them to the scope of work in their contract.

In general, fixed price contracts are no different from any other contract.
They are always subject to renegotiation.


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From: keves@meaddata.com (Brian Keves)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Interview Travel Expenses
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:25:15 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton Ohio
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In article <umTqVB1w165w@seanews.akita.com> ghines@seanews.akita.com (Gary Hines) writes:
>Last week a job shop called to let me know that one of their
>customers wanted to interview me but that I would have to pay
>my own travel expenses.  I said no thanks.  In this case the 
>travel costs would have been about $600 and the job was a
>three month contract.
>
>Since I am new to the world of contract software work, could
>some of the experienced job shoppers please tell me what is 
>typical with regard to payment of interview travel expenses?

I would say that nothing is "typical". Negotition is the key to
everything in the contract business. It is what determines
whether you make a profit or not. 

My favorite tactic is to get a percentage of my travel costs
reimbursed, whether I accept the contract (if offered) or not.
This works quite well if you are negotitating through a job
shop. You can usually pressure them for more favors than the
company directly since they have a stake in you getting the
contract and are usually willing to put some money on the
line to make sure you do.

If this doesn't work then just add the travel expenses, and
also the moving expenses you may incur, into the rate of the
contract. Even if you let them beat you back down to the
original rate you are only spending reasonable tax dedutible
amounts of money for contract hunting.

Of course the big thing to remember before you start any of
this is to make sure your experience matches the contract.
I have been able to get most of my contracts via phone
interviews only. I didn't even see the site until I arrived
for my first day of work. You have got to feel the contract
is perfect before you go out and spend your own money on it.

Brian
--
Brian Keves               | Opinions/Ideas presented |        Mead Data Central
P.O. Box 149              | here are not necessarily | Engineering Productivity
Miamisburg, OH 45343-0149 |  those of Mead or Mead   |       keves@meaddata.com
(513) 865-1121 x05767     |       Data Central       | ...!uunet!meaddata!keves
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From: 0005667468@mcimail.com (MCL Systems Ltd.)
Subject: Looking for VM SQL/DS North Carolina
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:59:00 GMT

MCL Systems is a growing consulting firm based at McLean, 
VA. Currently MCL urgently requires for a project in North 
Carolina with skillks in  
 
IBM VM SQL/DS DBA 
 
Please send your resumes to: 
 
MCL Systems Limited 
2010 Corporate Ridge Rd 
McLean, VA 22102 
Fax: 703-749-1482	e-mail:  mclsys@mcimail.com 
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From: "Perry L. Geib" <p00164@psilink.com>
Subject: CONTRACT OFFERED: flight sim RT executive, OK
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:10:08 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

ATSIM, Inc. is a software service company specializing in Flight Simulation.  
ATSIM is owned and operated by experienced Flight Simulation software 
engineers.  We offer our contractors a full insurance package, tuition 
reimbursement, and technical assistance.

POSITION:	
		Real-Time Executive Development for Flight Simulation

REQUIREMENTS:  	
		Previous Flight Simulation RT Exec experience 6 + years, 
		UNIX System V, C, FORTRAN, Ada, X Windows, and Harris CX/RT 	
		experience.

DESCRIPTION:	
		Senior Level engineer to develop real-time executive drivers 
		for a flight simulator training device.  This is a short term 
		contract that will entail the analysis, design, and implementation 
		of a RT Exec on a Harris Nighthawk(M88000 RISC based computer).  
		Experience in real-time programing is required.

LOCATION:		
		OK

RATE:
		$40-45/Hour

DURATION:
		3 months (with a possible follow-on of 3+ months)

FOLLOW-UP:	
		p00164@psilink.com
		800-292-8746 (Voice)
		607-277-1491 (FAX)

CONTACT:
		Mary Shoemaker

NOTE:		
		All applicants will be asked for professional references and 
		undergo technical interviews prior to submission.
		If you would like to be considered for this assignment 
		either FAX or email (ascii format) your resume.
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From: dgmeyers@halcyon.com (Don Meyers)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:34:47 CDT
Subject: Mahmud Mannan, Where are you?

Mahmud!  If you or any friends of yours see this notice, please call
me!  I have a six month contract that is a good match for you but
don't have a current phone number for you.

Call me at 206 455-3100 ASAP

Don Meyers
Computer Consulting Group
Bellevue, WA



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Subject: Mahmud Mannan, Where are you?
Summary: Trying to find Mahmud Mannan
Keywords: recruiter
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:18:47 GMT
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From: nizwer@shell.portal.com (Nizwer Husain)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:43:08 CDT
Subject: Looking for Scheduling related contracts

I am looking for short term and long term contracts in the areas
of factory scheduling, personnel scheduling, vehicle scheduling, planning, and

discrete event simulation. 

I have 14 years of programming experience.
The last 10 years have been spent in building knowledge-based systems
in Lisp, KEE, KnowledgeCraft, G2, OPS5, Prolog and other
C-based Object Oriented Programming environments (e.g. ProKappa, C++).

I have Research experience at the Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon 
University (11/81-6/87), as well as, commercial consulting experience
through IntelliCorp, MountainView, California (7/87-4/91).
Since May 1991 I have been an independent consultant.

I am willing to travel anywhere for short durations. Please
get in touch with me by email, fax or phone. I am available immediately.
---
Nizwer Husain
408-739-6867
fax 408-739-6277 
email: nizwer@shell.portal.com



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Subject: Looking for Scheduling related contracts
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091
(data)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 07:21:31 GMT
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From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:14:44 CDT
Subject: Unix Senior SQA Engineer; San Fran Bay Area; TMS




* * * *	* * * *	* * * *	* * * *	* * * *	* * * *	* * * *	* * * *	* *

Taos Mountain Software,	a Mountain View, CA based Unix	Contract-
ing and	Training company, has several Unix contract openings.

Taos Mountain offers its W2 contractors	Health Insurance,  Educa-
tional	Reimbursement,	business  cards,  Internet access, and we
work hard to keep our  contractors  busy  from	one  contract  to
another.  Contact us for details.

When replying, please indicate	req  number  and  job  title.  If
emailing us a resume, please send only ascii resumes.

============================ REQ 247 ===========================


Job Title:		Senior SQA Engineer

Geographic Location:	San Francisco Bay Area

Likely Duration:	Contract to Permanent

Job Description:	SQE Tools and Procedures

	As Senior SQE you will aid in the implementation of design of
	procedures, coding standards, and documentation	standards.
	Reporting to the project lead your previous technical experience
	will contribute	to the development of new tools	in the Quality
	Assurance Tools	Group of this high end desktop product.	 In
	addition to hands-on testing, you will be responsible for
	important independant software projects.

Candidate Qualifications:

	- 3-6 years SQE	experience in a	Unix environment
	- Expert working knowledge of Sun user environment
	- Formal SQE training/studies a	plus
	- Knowledge of ISO standards
	- Demonstration	of good	programming practices and Q/A
	  methodology.



USMail:	Technical Staffing		Voice:	(415) 961-2100
	Taos Mountain Software		Fax:	(415) 961-6668
	415 Clyde Ave.,	Suite 105	Email:	tms@netcom.com
	Mountain View, CA  94043


* * * *	* * * *	* * *  End of Taos Mountain Posting  * * * * * * * * * * * *


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From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Subject: Unix Senior SQA Engineer; San Fran Bay Area; TMS
Keywords: 3-6 years SQE; Sun environ; Knowledge of ISO standards
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:17:54 GMT
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From: brookie@netcom.com (Lisa Brooke Hammond)
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:15:24 CDT
Subject: Tech Writer/Hardware & Software/San Jose Recruiter

My client is looking for an experienced hardware technical 
writer to write a VGA Manual from start to finish.  The start
date is very soon, so if you're interested please fax your resume
or e-mail it as soon as possible, as they hope to make a decision
before Christmas.  This is a full time on site contract and it
should last a few months.

For more information on this contract as well as other contracts
and permanent/full-time positions please contact:

LisaBrooke Hammond
Engineering & Documentation Services, Inc.
15951 Los Gatos Blvd. #6
Los Gatos,  CA  95032

VOICE  408-358-6564
FAX    408-358-6560

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!!!


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From: brookie@netcom.com (Lisa Brooke Hammond)
Subject: Tech Writer/Hardware & Software/San Jose Recruiter
Keywords: Tech Writer/Video Background a plus/VGA Manual
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:47:05 GMT
From: hughes@logos.ucs.indiana.edu (larry hughes)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Interview Travel Expenses
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:09:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BzxJrJ.4so
Organization: University Computing Services News

I haven't followed this thread completely, but in case it hasn't been
mentioned, I'd like to add that if you pay your own travel expenses
for a job interview, it's often tax deductible.  Check with your accountant
for details.

 //==================================================================\\
||      Larry J. Hughes, Jr.       |        hughes@indiana.edu        || 
||       Indiana University        | "The person who knows everything ||
||  University Computing Services  |        has a lot to learn."      ||
 \\===================================================================//
From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: BEE VEDOM: Use in pharmacology? Information needed.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:38:31 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: GEPARD, Ltd
Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su

Dear gentlemen!
Here in Russia we are going to produce bee vedom. Would you help us in finding
medical or pharmacological centers interested in long-time cooperation. If
scientists or other specialists will contact with us, it will be great.
     Sincerely  Nickolay Ovcharenko
     nick@gepard.msk.su
     fax (095)-135-70-30


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From: tms@netcom.com (Taos Mountain Software)
Subject: S San Fran Bay Sysadm/Oracle DBA Contract Oppty
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: SF sysadm oracle dba contract job jobs Taos
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:10:24 GMT


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Taos Mountain Software, a Mountain View, CA based Unix  Contract-
ing and Training company, has several Unix contract openings.

Taos Mountain offers its W2 contractors Health Insurance,  Educa-
tional  Reimbursement,  business  cards,  Internet access, and we
work hard to keep our  contractors  busy  from  one  contract  to
another.  Contact us for details.

   When replying, please indicate req number and job title.
    If emailing us a resume, please send only ascii resumes.

USMail: Jerry Bowes                         	Voice:  (415) 961-2100
        Taos Mountain Software                	Fax:  	(415) 961-6668
        415 Clyde Ave., Suite 105        	Email:  tms@netcom.com
        Mountain View, CA  94043

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

                     === Req Number 250 ===

Job Title:              Sys Admin

Geographic Location:    San Jose, Ca. Area

Likely Duration:        3 Months

Job Description:        Sun Sysadm/Oracle DBA

        Perform Unix Systems Administrator and Oracle DBA
        tasks in an MIS environment.  Our client has a network consisting
        of several Sun and Sun Clones.  The servers are running a variety of
        Oracle based applications.  End users are using 486 based PC's
        connected to the server via PC/NFS.

        You will function as the primary Systems Administrator and Oracle DBA.
        You will probably spend the majority of your time (~80%) doing UNIX
        administration and the rest of time working with Oracle.

        In addition to routine administration tasks, you will be asked to
        do a significant amount of script writing to automate many of these
        routine tasks.  Therefore, a strong background in shell programming
        is necessary.

Candidate Qualifications:

        - 3-5 Years Overall UNIX experience with extensive Systems
          Administration experience.

        - Strong Shell programming skills (C programming would be nice)

        - Oracle DBA experience

        - Knowledge of SunOS (4.x and Solaris 2.0) a big plus

        - Strong communication skills

        - An ability to write C would be a huge plus.

        - Ability to "land running".  The client is looking for somebody
          who, with little direction, can take over the administration
          functions.

          == End of Taos Mountain Software Posting. ==
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Distribution: world
From: seek@world.std.com
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:01:29 CDT
Subject: SOFTWARE QUALITY ENGINEER FOR CAMBRIDGE MASS refIPX+recruiter+


*****************************************************************************
*   this is not an entry level role   *  please send resume in ascii format
*****************************************************************************
 
      SOFTWARE Q.A. ENGINEER FOR NOVELL NETWARE/IPX DEBUG ROLE
 
SEEK is assisting a close business client in the search for a seasoned Q.A.
software engineer to complete a long term contract assignment.  Our client
needs an accomplished quality engineer to design and implement a compre-
hensive set of plans to test their product at the board level.  In order 
to qualify you will need strong skills in all of the following areas: 
 
1) "C"
2) Novell operating systems
3) bitstream level understanding
4) token ring technology
5) test plan design and implementation in a token ring setting
 
If you are qualified for the above role and would like to pursue it further
feel free to contact me via one of the following methods.
 
Regards,
Kevin McLaughlin
 
The SEEK Consulting Company          e-mail=seek@world.std.com(ascii)
401 Edgewater Place suite 430         phone=1-617-246-8234
Wakefield, Mass.   01880                fax=1-617-246-8246


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From: seek@world.std.com (SEEK)
Subject: SOFTWARE QUALITY ENGINEER FOR CAMBRIDGE MASS refIPX+recruiter+
Reply-To: seek@world.std.com
Organization: SEEK Consulting Companies Ltd
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:41:24 GMT
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From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com
Organization: Odyssey Ultraware, Inc
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:57:43 CDT
Subject: Fixed Price Contracts: Hourly info needed?

>In article <BzzFxJ.2L4@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> cantwell@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
writes:
 > I am just about to write my first contract.  A fixed price contract
 > seems like a good idea. Is any hourly information normally included in
 > such a contract? For example, that person A will be available for up
 > to 40 hours per week, and person B will be available for up to 20
 > hours per week? Or is such information excluded, and only deliverables
 > and total cost specified?

The way I've usually seen this done is with several components:

* CLEARLY state the deliverable or end result of your work.
* CLEARLY state the milestones and the date at which each milestone will
be completed.  Also state the date that the end result will be done.
* If applicable, CLEARLY state what "acceptance test procedures" will
be done by you and the customer (usually done jointly) so that your customer
can SIGN OFF (get it in writing) that you have indeed done what you said
you were going to do.  For a complex project, the ATP can be a good-sized
document of its own.
* CLEARLY state dependencies; ie, at point 'x' the customer will be expected
to provide 'y' so you can continue.  If 'y' is not or cannot be provided
at point 'x', then the pursuant milestone dates get pushed back.

Make SURE your customer understands all these points, especially the last
one.  I've not normally seen hours stated, except when it's required by
the customer's bean-counters to justify the price.  If you put in writing
that you can accomplish <work statement> in two weeks, and the customer
signs off on that, then it's YOUR problem to either work 2 hours/day or
23 hours/day to meet your deadlines & milestones.

 > Also, can the client be charged for delays in providing needed data or
 > software? If so, how is this normally done? Or is it better to state
 > the requirements in the contract, and just not do anything until
 > needed materials are provided?

See above.
Jon
----
Jon Arnold
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
                                         H: 603-883-6371

      "If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes."


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From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
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Subject: Fixed Price Contracts: Hourly info needed?
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:46:24 GMT
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com


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