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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Night Club Two Step Query
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:48:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.171704.29946@crd.ge.com> cornett@holland.crd.ge.com (dan  cornett) writes:
>
>In article <39071@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
>(zaphod beeblebrox) writes:
>> How and when did Buddy come up with two
>> step?
>
>
>Buddy did not "come up with two step" - it has been around for a long
>time in many different forms.  There have been many "flourishes" added
>as to how the two step is executed, most of which die - many were
>developed and lost in the 1800's.  Most people who "waltz" actually
>do a two step in waltz time.  In about 1885, Allen Dodworth gave this
>two step a "special" name:  The Ignoramus Waltz.  One of the most
>enduring two step variations is prefaced by a hop and followed by
>a pause - the polka (an older one is the Schottische which was
>originally danced in closed ballroom position).
>
>I am not familiar with the material of Buddy.  What he has probably
>done has been to add flourishes to the step, and quite likely give
>choreographies (or pieces of them) which he developed and found to
>be fun and satisfying for himself and others to dance, and which
>can fairly readily be incorporated into an improvisation on the
>dance floor.
>
>Danny

OK, I guess I started this mess, so I've got some responsibility to
help clean it up:
1.  There are whole bunches of *different* dances that go by the
	name "Two Step".  That's why I made a point to specify
	which Two Step I meant in the my first post.  While
	Danny clearly knows a lot about dance, the Two Step in
	question is not related to the Two Step of yore.
2.  To distinguish this Two Step from the umpty-ump other Two Steps,
	the usual names I have heard are in the set:
	(80s)? (LA)? (Night Club)? Two Step
3.  The gospel as I've heard it is that high school kids in Orange
	County in the late 70s and early 80s were doing something
	that resembled the 80s LA Night Club Two Step, which they
	had kind of invented.  Buddy Schwimmer apparently codified
	the dance, standardized it, invented many new figures, and
	popularized it -- mainly in California.
For all you folks who have never seen this dance, it's a partner
dance done to slow pop music (a bit faster than Rumba tempo, I
haven't bothered to time the mpm), with a typical pop beat (as opposed
to Latin).  Dancers are usually in a relaxed ballroom position (cross
a typical swing closed position with a good ballroom frame).  The
dance is pretty much a spot dance, although some figures travel.
The basic step involves both partners stepping back (rock step or hook
step) and then forward (quarter note each), and then taking a side
step (half note), followed by the mirror image on opposite feet.  Typical
figures borrow turns and arm movements from Rumba, Cha Cha, and Swing.

Hope this helps...
						--Alan Hu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
From: hage@netcom.com (Carl Hage)
Subject: Re: Night Club Two Step Query
Organization: Various Places
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:33:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.120014.715@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com (Jamie Hanrahan) writes:
>I might also mention that one instructor down here (Michael Kiehm) teaches it
>as a travelling dance, whereas Buddy insists that it isn't supposed to be --
>it's a night club dance, and travelling in line-of-dance in a night club is 
>pretty much impossible, so why bother learning it that way?

In article <1992Oct13.184800.7419@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
 ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>The dance is pretty much a spot dance, although some figures travel.

Wow! It's surprising to me that there is such a controversy about
travelling in two step. About half of Buddys steps travel, some farther
than the length of a typical night club floor. I can only think that what
Buddy meant was that it isn't practical to travel in the line of dance in
a night club dance floor because of the size and the other people, but
that doesn't mean that you can't travel (or else you can't do half his
steps). If you are in a ballroom then it makes sense to follow the Michael
Kiehm philosophy and travel in the line of dance. It's a real pain
(usually in the foot) when you get smashed by someone going reverse line
of dance in any dance.

I think the strongest reason I heard for travelling in two-step was when a
lady, who was a very good dancer and was very cute, said to me that she
really liked doing two step with me because I travelled around the floor.
That, of course, is much more important than what any teacher says. :-)
From: kalbag@watson.ibm.com (Ashwin Kalbag)
Subject: Re: Folk Dances of India
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:12:19 GMT
Distribution: usa 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: Garba, dandia-ras, bhangda

Here's another posting of my old ad... (I hadn't found this newsgroup then.)
____________________________________________________________________________
From: kalbag@watson.ibm.com (Ashwin Kalbag)
Subject: Indian folk dances
Summary: Would like to find an audience for a videotape on Indian folk dances
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1992 15:39:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those
+           of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: "garba", "dandia-raas", "bhangda" dances

On a recent visit to India, I produced a videocassette on 3 Indian folk 
dances: "garba" and "dandia-raas" from the state of Gujarat, and "bhangda"
from the state of Punjab.  The garba is a women's dance, and the bhangda 
and dandia-raas are mixed dances.  There is no limit on the number of people 
in each dance.  In fact, dandia-raas is done typically with two large circles
of men and women who dance with each other and progress along (since the 
circles move in opposite directions), that's kinda like a contra.  The tape is
35 mins. long, and I have a 3/4" master (NTSC) from which copies may be made.
If anyone is interested, please contact me at (914) 923-1859 or write to
13 Gates Ave., Ossining, NY 10562, or email to kalbag@watson.ibm.com.

I would also like to start a group here in NY, and learn the dances from the 
tape, and give demonstrations/workshops at the various folk dance events 
(NOMAD, NEFFA, Buffalo-Gap camp, etc.) around the area.  My interest in folk 
dancing started about 2 years ago, I've done everything except Indian dances 
(Balkan, Scandinavian [hambo, telespringar, etc], Cajun, contra/square, 
ballroom, latin) so far.  This was my first visit home since I came to the US 
7 years ago, and I wanted to bring back something I could learn from.
____________________________________________________________________________

If interested, please send mail...   Thanks.

Ashwin
From: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Ballroom Comp Results: Constitution State Challenge
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:02:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)


The Constitution State Challenge was held in Stamford, CT, September 18-20.
Some of the results are posted below.

Amateur Open Standard (14 couples)

	1 Peter Collins and Amy Cousins		VA/NY
	2 David and Linda Canty			NY
	3 Paul and Kimi Citrin			CT
	4 Chales and Fran Van Zanten		CT
	5 Patrick Martone and Nancy Chin	MA
	6 Jeffrey and Janelle Alexander		MA
	7 Danny and Cindy Sfaelos		CT

Pre-Champ Standard (15 couples)

	1 Patrick Martone and Nancy Chin        MA
	2 Jeffrey and Janelle Alexander         MA 
	3 Joseph Poltorak and Joan Bannerman	MA
	4 Danny and Cindy Sfaelos               CT
	5 Larry and Kathy Walker
	6 Bill and Beth Davenport
-- 
 Eric J. Austin                       EMAIL: eaustin@ll.mit.edu
From: dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi)
Subject: Re: Night Club Two Step Query
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:15:06 GMT

Buddy Schwimmer teaches quick-quick-slow as the *basic dance phrase*.
But if I remember correctly, the slow in his quick-quick-slow occurs
count 1 of the 8-count music phrase.

So if you begin dancing on count 1, you would actually begin on the
slow with a side step.

Here's a reacp of the way I recommend it, which I believe matches
Buddy Schwimmer's way.

count:     1      2        3       4          5        6      7     8     1
beat:      slow            quick-  quick      slow            quick-quick slow
phrasing:  two             three-  and        four            one-  and   two

In almost every pattern in two-step, the strongest lead is on the
one-and-TWO, which thus should fall on the strongest beat of music, which
is on count 1.  For example, left turn for the man would be:

       check-step-forward      side- cross-side
       one-  and- TWO          three- and- four
-- 
Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@cirrus.com>
also: dhesi@rahul.net
From: bbowman@salmon.rutgers.edu (Bruss Bbowman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Dancing in San Diego?
Summary: Can anyone tell me of any good swing or c/w clubs in the
Keywords: Swing Country/Western
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:07:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Can anyone tell me of any good swing or c/w clubs in the
San Diego area?

Thanks in advance

Bruss       bbowman@clam.rutgers.edu
From: esper@cs35b.cs.umn.edu (Dave Sherohman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Night Club Two Step Query
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:21:43 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Oct5.215357.6281@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>OK, the dance is Night Club Two Step (aka LA Two Step, Two Step, NOT
>Texas Two Step).  Both ways of counting the basic step start on the
>downbeat.  Method 1 starts on the quick-quick (counts 1 and 2) with
>the hook-step, followed by the slow side step (on counts 3 and 4).
>Method 2 starts on the slow side step on counts 1 and 2 instead.
>Which is prevalent around where you dance?  Which to you prefer?  Why?

I don't know that either is prevalent in Minnesota - I don't think I've ever
seen this Two-Step...  What's the footwork?  Is this 'hook-step' basically the
same thing as a rock step or is it moving/heavily turning?

esper@ima.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
From: dave@hgc.edu (Dave Raines)
Subject: Re: tango in New York??
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:29:18 GMT

In article <KH.92Oct14140430@litsun17.epfl.ch> kh@litsun.epfl.ch writes:
>a friend of mine contemplates going to New York for a couple of weeks.
>
>She only wants to go if she can dance though :-)
>
>	(hah, I am not the only nut around)
>
>So, does anybody know if there is any argentine tango in New York?
>
>muchas gracias de ante mano.
>

Last Saturday, Diane Lachtrupp and Angel Figeroa were up here
in Connecticut to teach a workshop in West Coast Swing for the
Conn. Swing Dance Society.  Later, at the dance they did performances
in mambo, west coast, and argentine tango (all 3 were great!).

Diane told me that argentine tango is their favorite dance. 
Apparently, they learned from the "father of argentine tango"
(whose name I don't remember right now). Since she owns Stepping
Out Dance Studio in New York, I'm sure your friend could find
argentine tango there.

Also, the following is some excerpts from another posting to
this group earlier this year.


Amigos del Tango (Friends of the Tango)
90-40 64th Road
Rego Park, NY  11374
718-275-9560
Dances are not held at the above adress; however applications for membership
can be sent there.  Tango dances are held monthly at different locations.
Admission is $15 ($10 for members)  Music provided by a genuine
Argentine tango band.


La Milonga
742 9th Avenue (at 50th)
212-541-8382
Practice your tango to a live trio (taped music during breaks) Fridays &
Saturdays from 9 - 12:00, and Sundays from 6:00 - 12:00.  Admission is
a rather steep $20 (considering the size of the dance floor).


Stepping Out Dance Studios
1780 Broadway (at 57th street)
212-245-5200
Weekly Friday night dance parties form 9 - 1am.  DJ, taped music.  Admission
$8 (includes refreshments and performances).  7/14 & 17 Open house.




-- 
David Raines, System Admin   "...If your knees aren't green by the end of the 
dave@hgc.edu                  day, you ought to seriously re-examine your life."
                                                                        Calvin
From: justin@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Justin du Coeur MKA Mark Waks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Dance Medieval/renissance
Summary: Some bibliographic info available through Letter of Dance
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:26:32 GMT
Organization: Many, Sundry, and Odd

In article <1992Oct9.203243.22580@nntp.uoregon.edu> JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie Brandt) writes:
>Looking for a bibliography and diskography fo Eurpoean medieval and
>renissance dances.  I am also posting this on rec.org.sca. but I would like
>to meet all like minded folk where ever they are.

I'm the publisher/editor/etc of the SCA dance newsletter, which is,
as far as I know, the only broadly-based Med/Ren dance newsletter going.

I don't know of any good discographies; I've got some bits and pieces
that will probably get published in the Letter of Dance, but nothing
really comprehensive. I usually find music by simply scouring the
Early Music sections of Tower Records and the like; occasionally,
I luck out. The single specific recommendation I'd make is to keep
an eye out for anything by The Broadside Band or the New York
Renaissance Band -- both produce consistently good recordings, that
tend to actually be useful.

The only bibliography of primary period dance sources I know of is
the one that I publish, by Matt Larsen (Geoffrey Matthias in the
SCA). This includes all of the period sources that include any
actual dance descriptions, and pointers to some of the modern
facsimiles and translations. It was serialized in issues 1-5, and
is also available as a separate pamphlet for $1.

I don't believe that there are any comprehensive bibliographies of
the secondary sources; the closest thing I know is an article that
ran in issue six or thereabouts, that gives a number of the more useful ones.

If you need any more information, feel free to write...

				-- Justin du Coeur
				   Editor, The Letter of Dance
				   justin@inmet.camb.inmet.com

Random Quote du Jour:

"One thing, at least, has now been proved beyond all doubt: smoking is one
 of the biggest causes of statistics."
		-- The Economist
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Night Club Two Step Query
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:00:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Oct5.215357.6281@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
 ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
> OK, the dance is Night Club Two Step (aka LA Two Step, Two Step, NOT
> Texas Two Step).  Both ways of counting the basic step start on the
> downbeat.  Method 1 starts on the quick-quick (counts 1 and 2) with
> the hook-step, followed by the slow side step (on counts 3 and 4).
> Method 2 starts on the slow side step on counts 1 and 2 instead.
> Which is prevalent around where you dance?  Which to you prefer?  Why?

Most of the instructors I've seen here use Method 2.  But Buddy Schwimmer of
LA, who claims to have invented the dance, uses Method 1.  

I think that Method 2 may be easier for beginners to learn.  

I'm comfortable leading it either way, and I think that which is "best" depends
on where the accents are in the particular song.  

I might also mention that one instructor down here (Michael Kiehm) teaches it
as a travelling dance, whereas Buddy insists that it isn't supposed to be --
it's a night club dance, and travelling in line-of-dance in a night club is 
pretty much impossible, so why bother learning it that way?  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
From: kh@litsun17.epfl.ch (Mark S.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: tango in New York??
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:04:30 GMT
Reply-To: kh@litsun.epfl.ch
Distribution: rec
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

a friend of mine contemplates going to New York for a couple of weeks.

She only wants to go if she can dance though :-)

	(hah, I am not the only nut around)

So, does anybody know if there is any argentine tango in New York?

muchas gracias de ante mano.

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From: cornett@holland.crd.ge.com (dan  cornett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Night Club Two Step Query
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:17:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY


In article <39071@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
(zaphod beeblebrox) writes:
> How and when did Buddy come up with two
> step?


Buddy did not "come up with two step" - it has been around for a long
time in many different forms.  There have been many "flourishes" added
as to how the two step is executed, most of which die - many were
developed and lost in the 1800's.  Most people who "waltz" actually
do a two step in waltz time.  In about 1885, Allen Dodworth gave this
two step a "special" name:  The Ignoramus Waltz.  One of the most
enduring two step variations is prefaced by a hop and followed by
a pause - the polka (an older one is the Schottische which was
originally danced in closed ballroom position).

I am not familiar with the material of Buddy.  What he has probably
done has been to add flourishes to the step, and quite likely give
choreographies (or pieces of them) which he developed and found to
be fun and satisfying for himself and others to dance, and which
can fairly readily be incorporated into an improvisation on the
dance floor.

Danny
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Dancing in San Diego?
Keywords: Swing Country/Western
From: horse@netlink.cts.com (Kirk J. Parker)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:46:58 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

bbowman@salmon.rutgers.edu (Bruss Bbowman) writes:

> Can anyone tell me of any good swing or c/w clubs in the
> San Diego area?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Bruss       bbowman@clam.rutgers.edu


The Belly-up Tavern in Solona Beach (Northern San Diego County) has 
excellent swing dancing on Sundays starting around 6:00 pm.  The Holiday 
Inn on Aero Dr. Has Swing/Hustle/Cha/Etc. on Wendensdays -- It's pretty 
much a ballroom crowd.  There are LOTS of c/w places all over San Diego.

Kirk

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From: mfactor@bbn.com (Mara Factor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance,rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Dance opportunities wanted in San Diego, CA, 10/20 - 10/25
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:16:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.ldp3gtINNjf3
Reply-To: mfactor@bbn.com (Mara Factor)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I'll be in San Diego, CA next week from Oct. 20 to 25.  I 
would appreciate hearing about dance opportunities around
the city.  I'm interested in:

	swing/jive/lindy/jitterbug (or whatever you prefer to call it)
	ballroom (not competition level)
	traditional 'New England style' contras and squares
	English Country Dancing
	Western Square Dancing (through Plus level) and round dancing

Specifically, as I may be traveling alone, I'm interested in dances
or places to dance where single people are welcome.  Also, any
specific information regarding dates, times, contacts, and
locations would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Mara
mfactor@bbn.com
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
Subject: Re: Night Club Two Step Query
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:51:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <39071@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu 
(zaphod beeblebrox) writes:
> How and when did Buddy come up with two
> step?  Other than the basic and five other moves (I counted) that I
> know (probably the most common ones:  turns, "chausee(?)", etc.),
> what else is there? 

Buddy sells two or three different two-step video tapes.  The one I have has 
close to 20 different patterns on it... 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.dance
From: sxjwg@orca.alaska.edu
Subject: FARTHEST NORTH COUNTRY WESTERN DANCE FESTIVAL
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:11:42 GMT

							Last update: 24 SEP 92

                                    The

         THIRD ANNUAL FARTHEST NORTH COUNTRY WESTERN DANCE FESTIVAL
                   
                               will be held

                           March 5, 6, & 7, 1993
       
                                  at the
       
                   Hall of the Fraternal Order of Eagles
                                 
                                located at

                             200 First Avenue
                             Fairbanks, Alaska

There will be open dancing Friday and Saturday as well as various times between
classes throughout the festival.  Dance classes will be taught for beginners,
intermediate, and advanced.  Emphasis will be on INTERMEDIATE.

There will be a dance competition for Division IV (beginners) and Division III
(intermediate).  This competition will be governed by independent rules.  There
will be preliminaries and finals.  There will be no fee for entering the
contest if a weekend pass is purchased.  Trophies awarded will be
Alaskan Goldpans. 

There will be prizes in addition to the trophies.

FIRST PLACE in each division will win a eight hour boat excursion
on Stan Stephens Charters (Valdez, Alaska) to Columbia Glacier, Prince William
Sound, and a Alaskan cookout on Growler Island. 

Door prizes and raffles will also be conducted during the festival.

This will be three days of non-stop country craziness!!!

For more information write: 	FNCWDF
				P.O. Box 82683
				Fairbanks, Alaska
						99708-2683

Come dance with us under the Northern Lights!

Or call 907-479-4282 and leave your name, phone number and mailing address and
you will be added to a special mailing list.  SPEAK SLOWLY AND CLEARLY IF YOU
LEAVE THE ABOVE INFORMATION ON THE ANSWERING MACHINE!

This is not a square dancing event.

Questions may also be directed to this bitnet address.

This event is hosted by the FAIRBANKS COUNTRY KICKERS,
a non-profit organization.

ALL INFORMATION IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE!

James W. (Jim) Grimes
Event Director
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THIRD ANNUAL FARTHEST NORTH COUNTRY WESTERN DANCE FESTIVAL-MARCH 5, 6 & 7, 1993
  Call (907) 479-4282 or write FNCWDF, PO Box 82683, Fairbanks, AK 99708-2683
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