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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: DJs talking
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:57:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.051655.26921@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
eda735a@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (P.E. Mazur) writes:
} This issue about DJs talking over music is very interesting.  When DJs dont
} talk, they get told "Hey man dont you ever say anything?".  When they do  
talk,
} they get told to shut up.  May I suggest that there is a time for everything?

dj U-neek lets the music move you ...

Donald a.k.a. Lovegod a.k.a. dj U-neek
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith)
Subject: Re: DJs talking
Keywords: When should they?
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:26:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.051655.26921@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> eda735a@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (P.E. Mazur) writes:
>start of the night when things are too conservative.  I mean if you were a
>DJ and were playing all sorts of stuff but the crowd was dead, youd certainly
>get to the point where youd want to say "Hey what the #$%# is wrong with you
>people... this is a party!".  My point is that I think theres nothing wrong 
>with the DJ talking over music at certain periods of the night... to send
>hellos, messages, to talk about prizes, competitions or to just encourage the
>crowd to have a good time.  But this is up to a point.  He should certainly
>make it clear when he has something to say, say it, then shut the hell up and
>impress us with the music.

Well, FYI, in South Florida's warped vision of rave, I have twice
observed an annoying MC (imagine that?!?!) screaming his voice out
over a perfectly quiet DJ for hours!  At one rave I started dancing 
around 2 AM and it wasn't till I stopped sometime after 4 when I realized
the reason I had been having such fun: the MC actually shut up for 2
hours.  Now you ask "What the hell was he saying???" ...
Well he kept ranting (or raving ;-) about "Peace, Unity, Rave, etc..."
and how we "are a new generation, a new nation, the rave nation..." etc
etc ad nausium (literally)

Is there any hope?

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Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial
From: vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen)
Subject: Finitribe
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:38:10 GMT


I'm almost ready with version 2 of the Fini Tribe discography, but need a few
additions on the latest singles. What I need info about is track/mix-listing
for the following releases:

	101 7"
	101 CD-single
	ACE LOVE DEUCE 7"
	ACE LOVE DEUCE 12"
	FOREVERGREEN 7"
	FOREVERGREEN I 12" (weatherall/finiflex mixes)
	FOREVERGREEN II 12" (justin robertson mixes)
	FOREVERGREEN III 12" (youth mixes)

Thanx a lot,
Vidar
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From: tsheets@aludra.usc.edu (Troy Sheets)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: 808 State - any questions?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 14:09:01 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

For info, call 808 States own 1-800 number:

1-800-FEAST92.

LA appearence: Sept 19 (213 891-26XX)... although Grape Ape II wil be more fun.

-Troyz
From: alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Wanda & Psudo KLF are Coming to Austin also, advance reviews please!
Date: 5 Sep 92 07:47:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <7tkn3kq@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace) writes:
>
>> Well it also helps that I have a personal thing against the cocaine-
>> selling, butt-pinching, flaming in-your-face faggot of a club owner that
>> is arranging this thing. 
>
>Hey Alex -- keep this bigoted dog vomit to yourself.  Nobody's impressed.
>--
>Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

How brilliant can you be for defending some geekoid that you havn't ever
met?  This fact that this guy is the scum of the earth has nothing to do
with his sexual orientation.  He is an unscruplious coke dealer, a wage
cheating club manager, he contiue to promote this fake KLF stuff, and is
generally disliked by all.  The fact that he is as queer as a purple moon
has really nothing to do with my intolerence of him.  It is when he
insists on doing things like pinching my ass even after I've asked him
repeatedly not to and all of the cute (sicko) little things he tries to
whisper to me and any other guy he thinks it will annoy.  He can loose all
his money and burn and I wouldn't miss him for a nanosecond.  

Anyway, the focus of my original post regarded the band, I didnt ask for
your lamebrain opinion of someone that you've never met.

Alex
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: LFO track listing
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:51:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.123341.1@acad3.alaska.edu>
fsjjl@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
 
>
>Maybe this has been discussed, but I just bought LFO "Frequencies" and there
>seems to be a difference between the track listing and the actuall order of the
>songs.  Anyone know anything about this?
 
From looking at actual playing times and listening to lyrics, it appears
that "Track 14" is really track 7, and track 7 is track 8, track 9 is track 10,
etcetera, etcetera...
 
Before anyone asks, the album is pretty good. Very pretentious, but that's OK.
Some good dance tracks, some not so danceable.(Describes almost every album I
own) ;-)
 
--Eric
 
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From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Phuture rave in TO and upcoming
Summary: rave
Keywords: rave
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:08:20 GMT
Organization: UB

Did anyone go to Phuture in Toronto?  How was it?  What were expenses like?
High door price?  I wanted to go, but I was at a concert earlier in the
day (Mighty Mighty Bosstones) and was just too exhausted to make it.  What's
coming up for next weekend? Anything good?

Oh, and one last question to the net.world.  I heard this fantastic song
called (I think) Warm Leatherette by The Normal.  Does anyone know more about
it?  Or where I could get my hands on a copy?  It's Incredible!!

Thanks everyone!                           -Brian

v187p6pl@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu        bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: Re: Making Music, was Re: Mixing Music
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:51:55 GMT


jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (if you love your art, die for it) writes:

>I've been creating my own techno, and have realized it's going to 
>cost me over $8000 to actually get the proper equiptment to create 
>what I want to. I've already spent $6000 and I still don't own what 
>I want. I need Analog Synths, and Samplers, and DAT machines to 
>make the wonderful bleepy dreams in my head a reality. Realize what 
>you're getting yourself into if you're serious. 

you don't need anywhere near $8000 worth of gear to do good music.  a $700
used EPS, a couple of $300 used analog synths (sequential sixtraks are very
cheap and cost-effective) and you're in business.  rent a DAT machine for
the day if you don't want to buy one outright.  you'll need some sort of
mixer, but they can be had for cheap if you look around.

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: wyller@gagme.chi.il.us (wyller)
Subject: Re: American rave is nothing like British rave...
Originator: wyller@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:52:48 GMT

In article <18urlnINN7m9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rjr6@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert J. Reinhardt) writes:
>
>When I was in England this summer, I had the unique experience of
>listening to REAL rave--master mixes of some of the greatest rave
>sampling I've ever heard.  Nothing in America can compare to it!

Well thats real interesting.  Perhaps you can share some details about how
US raves and UK raves differ and what makes UK raves the greatest?

Enquiring mind want to know...

-jw
From: rjr6@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert J. Reinhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: American rave is nothing like British rave...
Date: 13 Sep 1992 07:47:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rjr6@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert J. Reinhardt)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


When I was in England this summer, I had the unique experience of
listening to REAL rave--master mixes of some of the greatest rave
sampling I've ever heard.  Nothing in America can compare to it!
-- 
Rob Reinhardt AKA the night giant (NiteGiant on IRC)
rjr6@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio  U.S.A.
"2 B GR8 IS 2 B MISUNDERSTOOD." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
From: sg@monsoon.com (Sunil Gupta)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: CDs Are No Subsitute For Vinyl For DJs
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 13:00:36 EDT
Organization: Monsoon Software, Inc.

cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Cyberpreppie) writes:

> > 
> > Wouldn't it be nice if we had a machine with enough memory so that it
> > could load up an entire song off of CD, and enough speed so that the
> > computer could do the scratching etc., say with a little hand wheel
> > device.  And beat-macthing could be done automatically (under human
> > supervision).  
> 
> It'd be nice, but: CD-ROM disk is 650M. A second of music is about 150K. To p
> a five minute song on you'd need roughly five megs of RAM. Probelm
> two:uploading to the RAM: you'd need a fast CD player to load it into memory.
> don't know.

Technically, none of what the original poster proposes is very difficult.
Five megs of RAM is a fairly trivial amount of memory these days, and the
facilities exist to read CD's on a computer (it really doesn't have to
read in real-time). I could probably cook something up in a couple of
weekends.

Sunil Gupta
Monsoon Software, Inc.
sg@monsoon.com
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Subject: Re: moby album??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:20:51 GMT

(Jeffrey J. Middents) writes:

>all right, does anyone know anything about a full-length moby album? i saw
>a review in entertainment weeklly (glowing, i might add) several weeks ago,
>asked in a few stores but yet have not seen the darned thing. does anyone
>out there have it? is it any good???

There are two Moby albums.  The first, _Instinct Dance_ is a compilation of
tracks he did under various names.  The second, _Moby_, was released in late
July, Instinct Records EX-241.  Both are excellent.

Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: CDs Are No Subsitute For Vinyl For DJs
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:46:15 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Sep6.162404.12601@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Cyberpreppie) writes:
>Well, I do realize 5M is trivial. However, that is assumking a five minute
>song. What if it were longer?
>The bigger issue is the uploading. I realize that you can read CD's into a
>computer (my job involoves those). Yes, it doesn't have to be done in real
>time. But, each time you want to load up a song, you have to download the five
>megs. The speed the data is transfered from the CD to the RAM becomes the
>issue, more specifically the speed of the player.

Yeah, I'm curious, does anyone know max data xfer rates from CD ROMS?
(Time for the optical fibre output from your CD player :)

-CyberTom
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael A Pisano)
Subject: Any RAVES this Weekend in Chicago Area?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:18:26 GMT

Any information would be appreciated.  I have a ride to Chicago and may 
consider going if there are any good E-vents happening.

Please include info #'s and credibility of the promoters if possible:
(Don't want to go all that way for nuttin' :)

Please respond to mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  or just put a post up on 
alt.rave.

-Thank'slot  (mp)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: droe@cs.tcd.ie (David Roe)
Subject: Re: 2 loong-lost tracks that worked well for me this weekend
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Astrobiology)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:16:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.210625.11746@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance) writes:
>
>>The only RSW that I've managed to mix in successfully is
>>'Thunder'.  And even at +8 that is barely fast enough some times.
>
>I've always felt that Biting My Nails works well.  Chuck on the Soundwave
>after Orb, hit them with the slow stuff after they're gasping for air from the
>fast stuff.  Straight hardbeat all night long tends to numb me.

	Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, how I wish they would do something like
that here, any slower stuff we get tends to be of the "Anthem" type with
no rhythm at all. <sigh>

		Dave Roe
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: marie@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alpha Phi Omega)
Subject: dc raves
Keywords: dc, raves
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:40:40 GMT



If anyone here's of info about a dc rave coming up, could you email or  
post about it. I've been to about three now and love them. 


Thanks, 

marie@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: CDs Are No Subsitute For Vinyl For DJs
From: cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Cyberpreppie)
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:24:04 -0500
Organization: The CyberSwamp

In article <oRVoqB3w165w@monsoon.com>, sg@monsoon.com (Sunil Gupta) writes:
> cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Cyberpreppie) writes:
> 
>> > 
>> > Wouldn't it be nice if we had a machine with enough memory so that it
>> > could load up an entire song off of CD, and enough speed so that the
(rest of original stuff deleted
>> 
>> It'd be nice, but: CD-ROM disk is 650M. A second of music is about 150K. To p
>> a five minute song on you'd need roughly five megs of RAM. Probelm
>> two:uploading to the RAM: you'd need a fast CD player to load it into memory.
>> don't know.
> 
> Technically, none of what the original poster proposes is very difficult.
> Five megs of RAM is a fairly trivial amount of memory these days, and the
> facilities exist to read CD's on a computer (it really doesn't have to
> read in real-time). I could probably cook something up in a couple of
> weekends.
> 
Well, I do realize 5M is trivial. However, that is assumking a five minute
song. What if it were longer?
The bigger issue is the uploading. I realize that you can read CD's into a
computer (my job involoves those). Yes, it doesn't have to be done in real
time. But, each time you want to load up a song, you have to download the five
megs. The speed the data is transfered from the CD to the RAM becomes the
issue, more specifically the speed of the player. If you want to upload a
bunch, you need a bunch RAM to hold it all if you wish to use this machine
several times in a row.
In short: if I wanted to upload an hours worth of stuff into ram in advance, I
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From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: History of Ambient (was Re: Mike Oldfield)
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:22:14 GMT
	<mwwnd_d@lynx.unm.edu>
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.

Lazlo Nibble:=+++ writes:

 +++ System 7 is a Steve Hillage project, for Christ's sake. 
 +++
I would be happy if you could explain us about the roots of the Ambient 
music style. Is Steve Hillage somebody who was doing similar music for 
years and Ambient some kind of fusion of Techno with some other style(s)?
So this is the question about the history of Ambient music.

 +++dinosaur prog 
 +++
dinosour prog, maybe you also could describe this?

 +++Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Ansgar
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: DJs talking
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:29:26 GMT
Keywords: When should they?


eda735a@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (P.E. Mazur) writes:
>This issue about DJs talking over music is very interesting.  When DJs dont
>talk, they get told "Hey man dont you ever say anything?".

Where does this happen?  I have *never*ever* heard a DJ say anything at a
rave.  Occasionally the promoter will get on the mic and say, "everybody get
out of here, we're being busted."  At a park rave this weekend for charity,
the promoter explained that it was a charity event and volunteers were
working the crowd for donations, so please give generously.  But DJs?
Talking?  Never!  What's there to say?

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (Taylor, Daniel K.)
Subject: Re: Doug!!! Gimme a ride man!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  The Big L(SD) x E
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:13:00 GMT

In article <11SEP199220051597@rosie.uh.edu>, st1o4@rosie.uh.edu (Ortiz, Jose) writes...
> 
>dude, there is this happening rave going down somewhere in Houston and I need a ri ride
>...why doesn't doug give me a ride?!??
> 

	You need a ride man? where do you live?
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: eda747nsft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: 808 and ALTERN-8 - WHATS THE BIG DEAL
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:46:30 GMT


I donr like Hypnotic St-8 or Evapor-8 by Altern-8.


BUT under the name of Nexus 21 they were shit hot. Anyone who followed the
music 3-4 years ago would agree. Thats why they appear on labels, the likes of
Network when Network was kickin in its prime.

As I said, it was my opinion. I have followed this scene since the Dj Pierre,
Mr Lee days of early Chicago house. Nexus 21 were damn good !

Rhythim of Life LP and the Altern-8 8 track ep were top shelf vinyl !!

As for 808 state, they WERE wickid !

Now (in my eyes) they see too many dollar signs and girlies !!!!

Richie "Rich" Mc Neill
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: LFO track listing
From: ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:52:31 -0500
Organization: Spandex Admirers Intl.

In article <1992Sep14.123341.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsjjl@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> Maybe this has been discussed, but I just bought LFO "Frequencies" and there
> seems to be a difference between the track listing and the actuall order of the
> songs.  Anyone know anything about this?

The times are correct, so set your cd player on time-countdown, and match
the time to the one on the back insert.  I can't remember how it goes,
but I think it's something like #14 is actually #8, etc.  I think the
first 6 songs are ok.


Andrew
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From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: move me
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:05:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

One way to get sound down to under 20Hz is to use a pipe organ. These suckers
can go down to 10Hz, they were designed that way back in the 1500's by
Catholics who wanted to scare the peasants by making seem that that earth
was shaking...

That servo-moter subwoofer is pretty cool, I saw it at a trade show, I picked
up some info on it, I'll try to dig it up later.
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Subject: Seminar on Developing Life Plans (Friday evening 18 September in Palo Alto)
From: brand@kestrel.kestrel.edu (Russell Brand)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:00:10 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Kestrel Institute, Palo Alto, CA


		Finding More Pleasure Through Planning
		 Palo Alto -- Sept 18, 1992  -- 7 pm



Can you name anyone weho feels that the days are a perfect length?  Almost all
of us seem to find the days too short, and carry a sense that life itself is
too short.  Of course we judge "too short" by the standard of our own deires.
Wanting more than we get, we actually go so far as to caliam that fault ies
with the unvierse!. "If only" is a wishful refrain familiar to all of us.  Too
often, we use "if only" as gateway [sic] to a fantasy world where we may
continue to build dreams of desire without being accountable to the lays of
material reality.  To live in these ways is to invite frustration.

We are Magic teach life planning because we employ it with satisfaction.  While
we pay lip service to the idea that the days are a perfect lenght, we hav yet
to incorporate that realization into our every moment.  As we move towards this
awareness, we plan, record and review in differentw ays, aiming by each to
align one or another aspect of ourlives with our current intetions.  The
techniques we offer are a sampling of our own practices, intended as an
invitation to exercise your imagination in devising your own ways.

TIME AND LIFE.


Central to many contemporary socail interactions is anotion of quantified
exchange.  So ubiquious is our attention toeachange that many of us carry it
into even such intimate settigns as marriage or parent-child relations.  So
careful are we becoming to measue that which we offer and ask with each other
tha more and more of us carry appointment books inwhich ot schedule our lives
to the nearest minute.  Before continuing to treat our very selves as
commodities to be bough, sold and traded, we might benefit by clarifying our
ides of value and the means by which we waim to realize them.

[For location, directions and other information please contact David Schrom 
at 415 323 7333. This seminar announcement is posted as a public service.
Neither the poster nor the posting site is affliated with the seminar or its
sponsoring organization (Magic Inc) which is a local non-profit environmental
and education corporation.]
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