From: dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce
Subject: Re: WARNING: NetWare for the Mac may DAMAGE YOUR FILES
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:17:27 -0600
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
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In <1993Jan22.013452.2459@gallant.apple.com> Alexander M. Rosenberg <alexr@apple.com> writes:
> In <64sis-c@massey.ac.nz> Nigel Perry, N.Perry@massey.ac.nz writes:
>> NetWare changes a file in two ways when copied onto a NetWare volume:
>> 
>> 1) The modified time of the file is truncated to an even number of
>> seconds.
>> 
>> 2) The created time is set to (an even approximation of) the current
>> time, thus you get a file with a modifed time EARLIER than the
>> creation time (maybe as new releases of PC software come out PC users
>> are used to the sensation of time going backwards :-))
>
>
> This is why running the Apple Installer off a Netware server ("doing
> a network install") is not recommended. The Installer matches file
> versions using date/time.

Hi,

In response to the postings regarding file time stamp issues, please
consider the following:

NetWare for Macintosh does *not* alter the *data* contained in a Macintosh
file that has been copied or created on that volume.  This has been verified
time and time again in the field by users who successfully open/close or
otherwise manipulate their Macintosh files on a daily basis.

Novell acknowledges its responsibility concerning consistant functionality
across all platforms which are supported by our server(s).  The time stamp
used by the Macintosh is simply different than that used by NetWare.  This
difference has existed since NetWare for Macintosh has been on the market,
and has been an endless source of concern.  The problems created by this
disparity are ones that no company would be proud of having to deal with.
Yet this is the state we find ourselves in today.

Please understand that Novell takes this challange seriously and will
provide real solutions in "near future" products.  I am not at liberty to
specify which product(s) will contain solutions, but anyone listening to
the LAN market and our product development can probably guess which
products contain the solutions to which I am referring.

Finally, if you should feel that you are experiencing trouble regarding
time stamps (or *any* other symptom) please contact one of us here in the
Technical Support Group.  You can either send the request/description to
me via E-MAIL or call our Technical Support Hotline.  All of us here are
aware of these issues and strive to provide workable solutions in a timely
fashion.  So please do not hesitate to ask us for specific assistance.
But please do not "flame" us maliciously in a public forum as that will
gain neither of us anything.

Think Peace...

Dan Seeman 
Novell
Walnut Creek, Ca.

PS:  Apple's 7.1 OS installer (network) *does* properly function.
     Apparently they (Apple) viewed this solution (to be more flexible
     on accepting even time stamps) as an easy one to implement.
     If you cannot get the 7.1 installer (it should be available on
     AppleLink) I can provide RESEDIT instructions for solving the problem.
     Let me know if you need the instructions for this particular Installer.