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From: ahmed%bailey@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:15:54 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <17DEC199208465802@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch
(MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
> In article <1gnpm7INN275@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>, ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu
 (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes...

> >....All sentiments and completely irrelevant parts removed
> >
> >-- Shakil
>
>       So you did exactly what I thought you would. This you also
>       did when you were discussing BING BANG.

And what exactly is that?  Let's see what I did:

1) I presented all relevant passages from the Qur'an
2) I showed why each of your allegations was incorrect
3) I showed logical inconsistencies in your "arguments"

Your end of the argument consisted of:

1) Accusations that my statements are "sentimental"
2) Accusations that my statements are "sentimental"
3) Accusations that my statements are "sentimental"
...

No question of evidence or substance...

>       Please read my post carefully again and give me one number.
>       You can come up with any "COMPLEX" example you wish then
>       findout the ratio "Share of a brother/Share of a sister"
>       I bet if you have ever read QURAN then this ratio is 2
>       (ALWAYS) and if you have ever studied Mathematics then 2 is twice
>       as large as 1, and which implies further that  2 is not
>       EQUAL to one (In mathematics we do not say that 2 is
>       not identical to 1).
>
>       [Let us first settle heritage problem. I definitely have lot
>        to say about other unequal aspects of women in ISLAM like
>        you mentioned multiple wifes and wife beating etc,
>        but I will leave it to next posts. One at one time.]

There really isn't much to say here.  I've already answered your
question.  Any attempt to show discrimination in inheritance laws has
to take the following into account:

1) Mahr
2) A mother potentially earning more from a son than a father
3) The fact that the financial responsibility of a family rests on a
man and the woman is free to do with her income as she pleases

If you can make a realistic calculation based on these above facts,
please do so, and we can talk.  Otherwise I will ignore your repeated
handwaving which avoids real issues.

>       [I did memorize a large part of Quran when I was young and
>        I do feel that most likely I remember the parts I am talking
>        here, rather correctly but since I am not sure I am not quoting.
>        I am making a request to a Mosque in ZURICH to send me
>        a copy of QURAN, After I get the copy I will be glad to quote]

Please do so.  Maybe we'll actually see some substance behind the
general emotional fingerpointing that seems to be coming from your
direction...

-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Ban the Jama-E-Islami
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:04:00 GMT

In article JBB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:

>                            It is time that we banned the Jamaat Islam party
> altogether. The BNP despises this party, but puts up with it simply because
> of the coalition.    

Banning Jamaat will immediately turn them into martyrs. The important thing is 
that we stay within the legal rights of our constitution and act accordingly. 
Any action beyond the rights of the govt. will only jeopardize the democratic 
institution.

I am not sure that BNP despises Jamaat. At least their actions don't show this. 
On the contrary, BNP find Jamaat a very reliable ally (which is by choice) to 
counter Awami League.

>     Bangladesh has enjoyed religious harmony for a long time. It is intolerable
> for a handful of idiotic fundamentals to destroy this peace. Hundreds of madrasas have openly supported the riots. It is now pardoxical to call them by that  
> name. 

Agreed. But we should also remember the the influence of Tablig on the Madrasas 
is probably more than that of Jamaat.

>     Bangladesh cannot afford to have religious violence. The best way to solve
> this problem is to get rid of these radicals. Everyday hundreds of illetrate 
> villagers are being brainwashed by this group. If the government makes it  
> clear that this type of action is not acceptable perhaps the trend can be 
> halted before any more damage is done.

Agreed again. The prosecution has to done in a systematic and legal manner. But 
as you have pointed out that the govt has to make it clear....., and I am not 
sure if the govt. is prepared to make the statement yet.

> Rafat Sadiq

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University   



 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmed%bailey@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:01:48 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <18DEC199217545263@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch
(MIRZA,I./EP) writes: 

>     Lucky ME, you and MULLAHS like you can never turn the clock
arround.

[rest of gas deleted]

I see no reason to follow up to something which is

1) insulting
2) void of facts
3) illogical
4) completely misses the point of the article that it followed up to

I've said all I need to say.

-- Shakil
From: hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Congratulation on Victory Day!
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:53:16 GMT
Reply-To: hakim@unssun.UUCP (Ashraf Al Hakim)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno


                     VICTORY DAY OF BANGLADESH.

                           December 16, 92.

      I would like to first of all thank every one who brought us
      the great victory. Congratulations to all fellow Bangladeshis. 

      As a show of respect to all those that gave their lives for 
      Bangladesh and to show our warm hearted welcome for the victory
      let us not tommorrow use any bad words on the network, neither      
      nor quarrel.

      Let us have articles on Bangladesh and its development since the 
      birth of this young and vibrant country. Wishing the Best of luck
      to all Bangladeshis and those who just finished ttheir exams or 
      papers, hope you did well.

      Ashraf al Hakim.
      Tel: (702) 324-0159.
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Please ignore this moron
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:38:41 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec16.160425.16308@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
> 
>  Please read my response to the article that was posted in soc.culture.
> pakistan . I hope you guys will enjoy it. 
> Thanks in anticipation.

  Actually the nightmare is your very birth. You are Stupid Incarnate !

  Why don't you go and ask your master to put you back in chains ? Asim is
 
  doing us a dis-service by letting you roam. What more can a donkey-brained

  malodorous swine like you think of ? Did it ever occur to you that all
 
  that you have ever done is to jabber like a jack-ass ? 

  Get a life asshole !

  - deb chatterjee
 (a good samaritan) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:27:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.183707.9797@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
> In article <BzB15o.MBx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
> >Secondly, Mr. Murtugudde, Islam does
> >preach equality among women. It is stated in the Koran that women are 
> >equal tomen. Secondly, the Koran states that women are to be given the same
> >rights as men such as voting, ability to own propert etc.
> 
> That would make countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, etc., commiting a
> sin when they don't give women their rights, according to the Koran, as you
> state. I think it behooves me, to point out that in Saudi Arabia, women aren't
> allowed to drive a car. So much for equality.
 
  Your`re right. Middle Eastern countries do restrict the rights of women. I
fail to see what this has to do with Islam. If Saudi Arabia refuses to let
women drive then it is a commentary on their leaders (King Fahd) because they
make the rules. It has nothing to do with Islam anymore. 
> 
> >This is a remarkable
> >revolutionary idea considering the fact that Islam was founded over a thousand
> >years ago and that some of these rights weren`t confered upon women in the US
> >untill the 20th century (i.e. voting).
> 
> US wasn't a country 1000 years ago.
   So? What`s your point. The US was a country in the 1900`s and it still did
not grant women rights that were given to them by Islam.
> 
> >Islam preaches equality
> >among all people not just men or women. Admitiedly it has sexist viewpoints
> >just like any other religion (i.e. Hinduism, Buddhism, Chrisitianity) but
> >what you must bear in mind is that they are less than those of other major
> >religion and that they were normal for that particular period in time.
> 
> There is big difference between preachng and actually doing. As you mention,

> Islam is less sexist, that say Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, you 
> justify that by saying that this is so because it was normal at for that
> particular time. I assume you mean the time, when the religion was founded.
> With this reasoning, then, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism are supposed
> to be more sexist because they were founded earlier? 
> 
   I did not make any insinuation that Islam is less sexist simply because it was founded later. I merely stated that it is less sexist than the above mentionedreligions. Moreover, I am not justifying anything. I am merely pointing out a 
fact. If one reads the treatment of women a thousand years ago in ANY society,
one will find that Islam`s philosophies could be considered revolutionary. 
Rafat Sadiq
   If anyone wishes to continue this debate, please e-mail me or post your
views over social.religion.islam. I`m not sure if the other readers of scb 
are truly interested int his topic.
From: sayeed@eemips.tamu.edu (Mohammad S Sayeed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Good News
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:05:47 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
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      Banglsdesh  thrash  Srilanka in SAARC Cricket
      ---------------------------------------------


      Bangladesh beat Islanders by seven wickets ! 
      Lankans were all out for a meagre 85 runs. Dulu (He is 
      both pace and spinner) got 3 wkts. Prince and Saiful got
      2 or 3 each (Don't remember exact figure). Nannu got 1.


      In reply Nannu brothers steered the country to first ever
      victory over any test playing country at Dhaka stadium. 
      Although Srilakans were a kind of their B team, still 
      I am excited over this victory.  By now SAARC Cricket is 
      over. Later, Pak had a tough time to beat us by 5 wkts.
      I have no info of Bdesh-India match except that it was 
      posponed . 




      Fair elections continue:
      ------------------------


      Some of the by-elections show that the elections are still
      fair and free in our country. No manipulation by ruling 
      party. In most of the by-elections BNP lost by narrow 
      margin. This was my source of above comment. 
        

    
Shaheen
(A&M Football team is still unbeaten, one of the three teams in College Football)
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:03:28 GMT

This note is with reference to article posted by kumar (3333@uc1-cs.uucp).
My God ! How someone can be so stupid not to know difference between the 
God and some fanatics?  Just think one more time and ask yourself if you
really mean what you wrote.  If the answer is yes, i.e. you do understand
the difference between God's act and the act of some stupid fanatics, then 
I don't have anything to say.  If the answer is know I think you need
some psychtherapy or something like this.  Indonesia has a large Hindu
and Christian community.  Get more info as to if only the mosques were
damaged while the other structures stand intact or not.  Any natural disaster
can cause damage to any religious structure (as was the case with the Bihar
earthquake in August of 1988 or California earthquakes, Armenia earthquake,
Iran earthquake or Bangladesh cyclone).  In God's eye we are all equal.
That is the most important message to understand.  Stretch the horizon
of your mind and soul and you will feel how all of us are the same.  Peace
for all.

Khaleq
From: husain@plains.NoDak.edu (Abu Husain)
Subject: They are M.F.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:42:06 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: East Pakistani (!) Jamati strikes on Victory Day
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:01:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BzDpJB.LFx
Organization: University of Delaware

Received: from husc9.harvard.edu by brahms.udel.edu with SMTP
	(5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA28007; Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:48:49 -0500
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:45:02 -0500
From: jamati@east.pakistan
Message-Id: <9212162245.AA17413@husc9.harvard.edu>
Apparently-To: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu
Status: RO
X-Status: 

TRAITOR

Go and dance with your Hindu friends.  Why the hell are
you posting letters to the other news groups?
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Fellow Bangladeshis and our well wishers,

Toady (our Victory Day) I was checking for my personal e-mail and

........................
........................

celebrate another victory.  Joy Bangla.

Khaleq

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  =====>
	That's why I personally don't like any Pakistanies.
	I don't even talk to them because  most of them
	are M.F. You know what I mean.

	JOY BANGLA  JOY BANGLA

	
	Abu Husain  ( Dhakar Jewel )

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Idols RE: Why did Muhammad Break Temples
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:01:35 GMT


In article <18DEC199214065409@rosie.uh.edu> mece21x@rosie.uh.edu (Yesudas, Mich
ael) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.145430.3979@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.
ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes...
>
>> It is said that those who know don't see any world but god himself. Hence,
>> God can be represented by anything in this world, because nothing is 
>> profane or sacred in this world, according to Hinduism.
>
>I confess ignorance here. There is a question that comes to my mind, I thought
>that many things were held sacred in Hinduism. Are idols of worship sacred?
>Was cow held as a sacred animal at any time? Many times I have seen people
>making money out of "sacred" bulls in many parts of India. 
>
>>   My problem is not with the philosophies. The problem is who the f*** 
>> you are to impose your philosophy on others. Who the f*** gave you the
>> right to break temples? Breaking of other's places of worship has been
>> characteristic of Islam right from the beginning starting with the prophet
>> of Islam himself. You muslims did not feel the pain then, but now that
>> power is no longer with muslims and your places of worship are being
>> broken then you are crying hoarse. As you sow, so you reap. That is the
>> law of nature.
>> 
>
>Same applies to us too. Over 50 temples have already been fully or partially
>destroyed in reaction to the breaking of Babri Masjid. Most of these are in
>Bangladesh and Pakistan. 3 or 4 in Afghanistan, 1 in Dubai, 1 in England.
>In one case of destruction 7 people including 6 women were burnt inside a 
>temple. In another "stray" incident in Pakistan, 6 Hindu kids, under the
>age of 10 were stoned to death. Are you saying that only Muslims feel the
>pain now? If one of those kids happened to be your younger brother or kid
>sister or if one of those women happened to be your mom, you would be thinking
>a lot different now. Like your "who the f***" will possibly change to "what
>the f***"....
>
>> Raja   
>> 
	I was not talking of human lives. Human lives are more valuable than
 temples or mosques. All I am saying that blame lies not with hindus, but it
 has its origin 1400 years ago. 

 Raja>
>Sincerely
>Michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Colorado..must be the air
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:19:33 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
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In article <1992Dec18.030425.41067@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:


   Since shit is a part of your name , you are a piece of shit. 
   Nonsense buddy you need a lot of brain to understand my posting
   .How can I write you sweet heart. So I typed sweat heart . 
   Got that moron.!!!!
----
Ah, the bracing Ibrahim intellect and biting wit. Logic and sentence 
structure as clear as mud.



--
Naeem Mohaiemen
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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Apology demanded from Syed Agha Saeed.
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:55:19 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1gtqq4INN3en@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>........ (deleted).......
> 
> I am sorry my english is not very good and it was a final weak I was in harry 
> so I could not proof read my letter.

 Actually it is very surprising how could you sneak into the U.S.A - with your
 such "cannibalistic" background ? I gather that you eat raw-flesh, and, drink
 blood from wounded animals ? 

> what I really mean is that " when you are going to die let us know before so 
>we  can do arrangmant "

  WHO IN THE NAME OF HELL ARE YOU ?????

 I have sent a letter to you. I will post a copy of the letter on the USENET.
 In addition, I have asked my sys. admin to contact your sys.admin in order
 to get your account deleted. 

  IF YOU POST MOST AN UNAMBIGOUS APOLOGY LETTER, I SHALL NOT INFORM THE
  F.B.I AGENTS IN NEBRASKA - AS I MENTIONED IN MY PERSONAL LETTER TO YOU.

  DO IT NOW ! I SHALL WAIT TILL MONDAY !!!!

>..... (drivel deleted)......
> SYED AGHA SAEED
> 

    deb chatterjee
 (a good samaritan)

  P.S: Believe me, I am extremely serious. I will do as I think. YOu can ask
       your friends. Most people, regularly reading the SCB, SCP, SCI know me.
       Just do as I have asked you to do. Remember that you have got into a
       trap, as you have posted a death-threat on the SCB.  Thus, a written
       proof exists of what you intended. Your attempts to twist will *not*
       work. Don't argue ! Post your apology letter now.
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Jamat and technicalities
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:27:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Dec13.202714.2703
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


In article 92Dec12220306@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:

> Ghulam Azam did not refuse citizenship, he was denied citizenship by Foreign
> ministry.

Golam Azam (isn't that the correct spelling?) did refuse Bangladeshi Citizenship. 
After 16th December, '71, he opted for Pakistan. Foreign ministry denied to 
grant him citizenship when he reapplied later.

> Naeem Mohaiemen

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Victory Day
Keywords: National anthem
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:59:47 GMT

In article <16DEC199210253229@venus.tamu.edu> imc7142@venus.tamu.edu (CHOUDHURY, IFTEKHARUDDIN MOHAMM) writes:
>Bangladesh celebrates Victory Day (Bijoy Dibosh) today. Here is a
>translation of our national anthem on this auspicious occassion:
>
>THE NATIONAL ANTHEM OF BANGLADESH   
>
>My Bengal of Gold, I love you 
>Forever your skies, your air set my heart in tune
>	as if it were a flute
>In Spring, Oh mother mine, the fragrance from
>	your mango-groves makes me wild with joy--
>	Ah, what a thrill!
>In Autumn, Oh mother mine,
>	in the full-blossomed paddy fields,
>I have seen spread all over--sweet smiles!
>Ah, what a beauty, what shades, what an affection
>	and what a tenderness!
>What a quilt you have spread at the feet of
>	banyan trees and along the banks of rivers!
>Oh mother mine, words from your lips are like
>	nectar in my ears!
>	Ah, what a thrill!
>If sadness, Oh mother mine, casts a gloom on your face,
>	ny eyes are filled with tears.
>
>*******************************************************
>Original in Bangla by: Rabindranath Tagore
>Translated by: S. A. Ahsan
>*******************************************************
>
>Iftekhar Choudhury
>Texas A & M University
>


Congratulations on your independence. Your national anthem
is really moving.  Our national anthem is also in Bengalee
and is also written by Rabindranath Tagore.


Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Special psychiatric rate for Jamaatis
	<NAEEM.92Dec19153901@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:00:29 GMT
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In article <NAEEM.92Dec19153901@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>   >Allamdullillah all Bangali brithers understand  your mentality 
>
>   Sorry, you are no Bengali brother of mine. Nor are you much of a muslim.

He didn't claim to be a brother of yours. He said he was a Bengali
Brither.

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