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From: sgrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sorin Grama)
Subject: Re: newspapers/ magazines  in romanian (was: Re: Elections)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:03:53 GMT

In article <Bvpz4H.2o0@acsu.buffalo.edu> busuioc@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anca I. Busuioc) writes:
>bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:
>>I read in CLIPA (a romanian magazie in LA) an interview[...]
>>Sasha Bucur
>
>	clipa?  interesting.
>
>	i was wondering if all of you here in the states would
>like to post the name of your favourite newspaper published in 
>the u.s. in romanian. (  if you'd rather send e-mail, i can post 
>a summary.)
>
My opinion:  NONE!!!
They're all tabloid-like magazines/newspapers. 
I don't read any of them now, but I remember how before ceausescu's fall
they all accused each other of being communist etc.  
If you pay any subscription on them, you pay too much!  My opinion is,
get a short-wave radio and listen to RFE, or read the periodical
bulletins on the net which, by the way, are a great source of info.

Sorin


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: anti-Semitism
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:00:01 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Oct10.175533.619@vms.huji.ac.il> marian@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I'd like to tackle in this group one of the most important test which every
>real democracy and especially the new democracies of former communist countries,
>inclusively Romania, is confronted with: the problem of xenophobia and
>particularly, the problem of anti-Semitism. I think you heard on the excesses
>of German neo-nazism against the strangers in Germany (inclusively against
>Romanian people), also on the murder of few Chinese people in Bucharest.
>Putrid papers, like "Romania Mare" ("Greater Romania") and "Europa" ("Europe")
>stir chauvinist fire of xenophobia and anti-Semitism. On the other hand,
>conscious voices raise up against these dangerous social phenomena. One of
>these voices is of Nicolae, the metropolitan of Banat. I shall try to translate

Of course, I guess the Orthodox Church raising its voice for social understanding
and mutual respect is both appropriate and important. 
What I find also very important, though, is for people to understand that the
dirty campaigns against a lot of people or/and ideas (be it Jews, Hungarians,
capitalism, a lot of others) have TOTALLY different roots than those they 
claim to have. Once this understood, much fewer would back them.

	Alin
From: marian@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Barbu's poem "Joc secund"
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:42:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Hi everybody,

Into an effort to offer to the non-Romanian readers (at least a pale) image
of the Barbu's "Joc secund" poem musicality, and especially an image of its
profoundness, here is an attempt to translate (more or less freely) the
poem into English. I am apologizing for the few poetic licences. Also,
I propose for the poem the title PURE FLIGHT TO NADIR. Of course, any other
translation is welcome.

Din ceas, dedus adincul acestei calme creste,
                     From hour, deduced deepness of this calmly crest,
Intrata prin oglinda in mintuit azur,
                     Through mirror gone into redeemed blue,
Taind pe inecarea cirezilor agreste,
                     Is cutted out, on drowning  the rural herds,
In grupurile apei, un joc secund, mai pur.
                     Into the water groups, a purer secondary truth.


Nadir latent! Poetul ridica insumarea
                     Latent nadir! The poet raises up the sum
De harfe resfirate ce-in sbor invers le pierzi,
                     Of scatt'red harps, which you lose them in inverse flight
Si cintec istoveste: ascuns, cum numai marea,
                     And exhausts the song: as hidden as, like just the sea
Meduzele cind plimba sub clopotele verzi.
                     When drives the jelly fishes, under the greeny bells.



Marian
                                                      FLUCTUAT NEC MERGITUR
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: cs169093@cs.brown.edu (Yong Liu)
Subject: Advice
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:52:36 GMT

I am a chinese, I am planning to travel in romania for a week
just for the hack of it. Can anybody tell me or give me any advice?
Or your advice is simply not to do it?

Thanks
Yong
From: vlasie@granit.unice.fr (Vlasie Romulus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: tranlation, please!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:06:03 GMT
Organization: University of Nice - Sophia Antipolis
NNTP-Posting-Host: granit.unice.fr

La revedere  pentru  acom[1]
\___  ____/    ||     ||
    \/	       \/     \/ 
Good bye       for    now

[1]: misspelled for 'acum'

Conclusion: in Romanian that's a (poetical) non-sense.


Bye, 
  Dan.
From: msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Moldova/Romania News from RFE/RL, 10/16/92
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:45:27 GMT
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Akiba Segal)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:14:59 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center
Keywords: email from Timisoara

In article <1992Oct12.154327.13885@news.uiowa.edu> acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu) writes:
>
>Yes, there are. One of the first things discussed on this newsgroup in
>January - February was the e-mail connection to Romania. For those of
>you who were not subscribing at the time, the adress of the Polytechnical
>Institute of Bucharest is:
>pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de
>and I guess the connection to Timisoara, which was said to pass through
>Bucharest and Darmstadt, would go through the above mentioned adress.
>
>The nature of these connections are the phonelines. There is a node at
>th-darmstadt in Germany which is dedicated to Romania and where a mail-
>server stores the messages. Once a day, the P.I.B. calls Darmstadt by
>phone (the usual operator-assisted calls from Romania) and a message
>exchange between the two servers begins. It lasts for 1-2 hours. Then,
>the guys on both sides can answer their messages, which will be trans-
>ferred on the next day's call.
>
>They are right. That adress is not Romanian, but German (.de at the end).
>Now, that the Germans have a private agreement with the Romanians to
>forward their mail, that's something else. They could as well copy the
>messages on disks, load them on a truck, send them to Romania and back.
>That would of course not mean "Internet connection"...
>
>Efforts are made, though, to establish a regular Internet connection.
>It was said to be ready in March '92, then in August, now...?
>But, we still hope.
>
>	Alin
>
>

Do you,Alin,or anybody else knows an userid in romania,which I can ask about
the mailing system in romania.I mean,if I would ask you who is the Operator
of the Jassy politehnic inst.,I guess you wouldn't know,but maybe somebody
from romania will know.ANYBODY.
Thanks a lot
Livian
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 11:02:11 PST
From: Tony Roder <TONY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: poet Ion Barbu

In article <BvtA4y.DGo@acsu.buffalo.edu>, busuioc@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anca I.
Busuioc) says:
>
>mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct4.011506.599@vms.huji.ac.il>, marian@vms.huji.ac.il
>writes:
>>|>
>>|>     Din ceas, dedus adincul acestei calme creste,
>>|>     Intrata prin oglinda in mintuit azur,
>>|>     Taind pe inecarea cirezilor agreste,
>>|>     In grupurile apei, un joc secund, mai pur.
>>|>     Meduzele cind plimba sub clopotele verzi.
>>
>>Until now the choices are:
>> Second game.
>> A secondary game.
>> The next step.
>> Parallel Ongoing.
>>
I like 'a background play'....

-----------------------------------
Tony Roder, speaking his mind .....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: viktoria@carson.u.washington.edu (Viktoria Seibert)
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Keywords: email from Timisoara
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:12:49 GMT

alexmi@soul.tv.tek.com (Alex Mitaru) writes:

> The Politechnical Institute in Bucharest has an agreement with the 
> Darmstat University to support them with a connection for e-mail.
> They connect every day manualy with Darmstat and download and upload
> mostly e-mail. The connection is a 1200 baud line, very unreliable and
> very noisy. The service is not regular, mostly because lack of discipline
> and a lack of understandind of what means to be sys-admin. There are 
> interruptions in the service as long as three weeks, and your mail will be
> lost.
This is very surprising to me -I mean about the lack of a good sys-admin.  
Is there not in all of Bucuresti someone who has the know-how and is reliable
to do the job?  I have gotten clear enough lines to Timisoara to send faxes
and have no trouble being understood.  It seems to me that a similar setup 
there would be feasible.  In fact I do not see the trouble in stringing up 
internet lines there.  It would cost, but if it is true that DEC has given 
a grant to the National Commission for Informatics in Bucuresti to set up a 
bitnet site, are there not other grants for internet?  I am new to the 
internet scene, so I do not know all of the cost and physical ramifications, 
but it seems slightly odd to me that there have not been lines set up already.

> A frustrated user of e-mail to Romania ;>)

Aye, here here!

> Alexandru Mitaru

Vica
viktoria@u.washington.edu
From: lungu@grog.jpl.nasa.gov (Teodor A. Lungu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: poet Ion Barbu
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:38:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.1992Oct8.213819.12983
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

In article <1992Oct8.181016.20750@morrow.stanford.edu>, mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici) writes:
|> In article <BvtA4y.DGo@acsu.buffalo.edu>, busuioc@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anca I. Busuioc) writes:
|> |> >Until now the choices are:
|> |> > Second game.
|> |> > A secondary game.
|> |> > The next step.  
|> |> > Parallel Ongoing.
|> |> >
|> |> >What about translating it back to Romanian?  What will Barbu say about 
|> |> >Urmatorul pas?
|> |> >
|> |> >My choice:
|> |> > Second play.
|> |> >
|> |> >
|> |> >Cheers
|> |> >MIhai
|> |> 
|> |> 	how about 'meta-play' ?  (meta < Gr., "following")
|> |> 	(ah, meta!  a true word for the nineties  :-)   sprinkle
|> |> 	it generously on top of your sentences, folks...
|> 
|> Actually that's a nice try.  It brings in not only the idea of
|> something secondary in nature, but also something that's beyond nature.
|> I think Barbu's intention was to convey exactly that. 
   .
   .
   .
|> This is my argument for "meta", that "Joc Secund" is intended to mean
|> more of "beyond" than "secondary."
|> However retlanslated back to Romanian will make the title too obvious.
|> So I'll stick with "Second play."
|> 
|> Cheers
|> MIhai

Why worry about re-translating back to Romanain ?  I think meta-play is an
excellent idea ! (even if meta is 'a true word for the nineties', i.e.
"vulgarized") 

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From: alexmi@soul.tv.tek.com (Alex Mitaru)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Keywords: email from Timisoara
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:21:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix TV Products

In article <Bvyrtp.56w@me.utoronto.ca> mitu@me.utoronto.ca (Adrian Mitu) writes:
>That's odd... The latest issue of IEEE Spectrum, whose main 
>article is about e-mail, shows Romania without any e-mail
>connections whatsoever. Of course, if somebody actually received
>a message from Timisoara it means that there *are* connections.
>Does anybody know the nature of these connections?
>
>These guys at IEEE ought to get their facts straight! ;-)
>Adrian



 The Politechnical Institute in Bucharest has an agreement with the 
 Darmstat University to support them with a connection for e-mail.
 They connect every day manualy with Darmstat and download and upload
 mostly e-mail. The connection is a 1200 baud line, very unreliable and
 very noisy. The service is not regular, mostly because lack of discipline
 and a lack of understandind of what means to be sys-admin. There are 
 interuptions in the service as long as three weeks, and your mail will be
 lost.

 A frustated user of e-mail to Romania ;>)

 Alexandru Mitaru
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: marian@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: poet Ion Barbu
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:43:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Oct4.184512.9056@osf.org>, andrei@gregoire.osf.fr (Andrei Danes) writes:
>>   - a better translation of "Joc second" is "A secondary game" (and not
>>     "Second game")
>
>      Just an opinon ...
>
>      I cannot figure out what the accurate english translation should
> be, but "secondary" doesn't sound satisactory to me. It seems to suggest
> a lower quality, or lesser importance, like "minor". On the contrary, my
> interpretation of Barbu's poem is that "joc secund" reflects a somehow
> deeper and profunde quality ("un joc secund, mai pur").
>      Also, "game" might be misleading, because "joc" could possibly be
> translated by "act", "play" or "reflexion" ("Taind .../ In grupurile
> apei, un joc ...").
>
>      I would like to have the opinions of everyone interested
>
> Andrei
>

According to my dictionary (Longman Active Study Dictionary of English), the
word "secondary" has 3 meanings: 1-of education or a school; 2-DEVELOPING
FROM SOMETHING EARLIER OR ORIGINAL; 3-of second rank, value, importance etc.
The second meaning is seems to me to match well to the Barbu's "secund".
I agree with you that the 3rd meaning has a non-poetic air. Concerning the
word "joc", it is in the Barbu's poem something ABSTRACT. Don't forget
Barbu was a mathematician. For him, all the mathematic facts are ABSTRACT,
because they are DEDUCED (Din ceas, dedus...) from particular cases and
raised up to the GENERALITY, ABSTRACTION and therefore something PURE
(...un joc secund, mai pur.). Consequently, a new choice of mine for a title
might be "SECONDARY ABSTRACTION" (which, however, doesn't sound me very
poetic) or "PURE FLIGHT", in order to be poetic. Every case, I am very glad
that my subject has determined the interest of all of you. Actually, the
problem of the title is the poem has, originally, ... no title, but just
"Din ceas, dedus...".

Marian

                                                  FLUCTUAT NEC MERGITUR

P.S.
Since I am now into a short permission from the army (I am a reservist),
my next comments will be seen in this group just after 26 Oct. See you
later in peace.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mitu@me.utoronto.ca (Adrian Mitu)
Subject: Re: I got an email from Timisoara
Originator: mitu@cam.me.utoronto.ca
Keywords: email from Timisoara
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:46:36 GMT

That's odd... The latest issue of IEEE Spectrum, whose main 
article is about e-mail, shows Romania without any e-mail
connections whatsoever. Of course, if somebody actually received
a message from Timisoara it means that there *are* connections.
Does anybody know the nature of these connections?

These guys at IEEE ought to get their facts straight! ;-)


Adrian



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: lungu@grog.jpl.nasa.gov (Teodor A. Lungu)
Subject: Re: RFE/RL
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory / California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:46:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.162632.13640@kth.se>, mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu) writes:
|> Please be kind enough and send again the e-mail address
|> and the message needed for a RFE/RL subscription.
|> 
|> Thanks a lot,
|> Mihai Dorobantu

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From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Computer connections in Europe
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:14:27 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Since Romania now has e-mail access, of the countries in Europe
(Pre 1990 borders) albania is the only country of resonable size
in Europe without E-mail access. (San Marino, Monaco, Vat. City not
counted)

WIth current borders, countries in Europe without e-mail access
are Albania, Yugoslavia (All of the old yugoslav locations are in
croatia or slovenia), Macedonia, and azerbajan.

According to the list I have, Moldavia does have Fidonet links
(more than 5), is Romania connecting through them?

Currently the list shows Romania with no connections. A "normal"
connection is probably what the list would show.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:02:33 GMT

aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:

#I remember
#that even members of Kneset took part together with other religious
#Jews in action throwing Palestinians out of their homes, setting dynamite
#and occupying those properties. I cannot imagine anything like that in 
#Poland, Europe, or America.

It is true that two members of the Theiya party supported settlers
in a takeover of some houses some years ago. The Theiya party is
now defunct (meaning its members were not re-elected). The story
with these houses is more complicated than what you assert, as they
were bought from their legal owners by the settlers. That is not
to say I condone their acts.

Your assertion that dynamite was used in these cases, and by
Knesset members, shows that your local pusher sells you really
good stuff. Maybe take a little pause before you post on a public
forum, though.

As for Europe, it has a history a thousand times bloodier than
Israel, and the present dosen't look too good either. As for the
US, an ex-Nazi and first class racist recently got 40 percent
of the votes for governor of Luisiana. So what gives, baby?

-Danny Keren.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re:  Kaddish for pets?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:44:13 GMT

jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber) writes:

>Is there a rule/ruling on whether one may say Kaddish for a pet?

If the pet was your mother, father, husband, wife, sister, brother
or child, then you should say kaddish.  Otherwise, I don't think so.

I realize this is not a joke, but neither is kaddish.  Animals, in
Jewish law are not on the level of humans.  In some ways they take
precedence.  They must be fed before the humans sit down to eat, for
example.  But they are not people.  Heartbreaking though it may be
to lose a pet, it does not compare to the loss of a relative.  Try
consoling a grieving family (lo `aleinu) with, "I know just how you
feel.  I was devastated when Rover died two weeks ago."

-Don Gertler