From: atri@eecs.umich.edu (Atri Indiresan)
Subject: Re: Get real, Abhay!
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov13.113952.18922@abo.fi>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:09:17 GMT


I have been watching this debate from the sidelines for a while with
mild amusement, but, I felt this latest sequence by Abhay and his
cheerleading squad needed a response.

In article <1992Nov13.113952.18922@abo.fi> abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
>In article <148940017@hpindda.cup.hp.com> gph@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Houtz) writes:
>>            Yet we have people like Rich Young, et al, who are meat eaters,
>>            and who spend apparently enormous amounts of time reading and
>>            posting voluminous information to this newsgroup, one in which
>>            they can't have even the faintest personal interest.

In the recent past, Rich has justified his interest in this group.
Personally, I feel that was unfortunate. This is Usenet - everyone is
welcome, and no one should have to justify their interest in reading a
group or posting to it.

>How do we know that  he is  not being paid for it ?  It is  distinctly
>possible that the  guilt they feel from their  destructive activity is
>so much that only noise can cover  it - like you see some  people  who
>cannot tolerate silence because it gets them in touch with reality.

You've lost me here - if he is getting paid for it, he is doing it
because he wants the money. Why should he feel guilty about it? At
least get your conspiracies right.

>>       2.   Rich, in particular, seems to have additional time to do a 
>>            surprising amount of research, and has access to professional
>>            publications most of us do NOT have access to.   Note also that
>>            he posts from Kodak, not from a major university.

Yes, Paul, and you post from Hewlett-Packard. So what?

>How do we know  that those publications really exist ? I don't mean to
>say  that  they  don't,  but  I  certainly  don't  have  the  time  to
>investigate and nor would I believe blindly that they do.

Hmmm... consistency and a clear line of logical reasoning was never
your strong suite. If Kodak paid Rich for his postings, the least they
would expect would be that he would use real publications to make his
case. Even if you aren't willing to credit Rich with some
intelligence, perhaps you could avoid insulting the collective
intelligence of the whole group by suggesting that no one would spot
such a flagrant lie. Since you ask the question, have you ever tried
to find the publications and found that they didn't exist?

>>       3.   There are multiple people doing it, and I get the distinct 
>>            impression sometimes that there is a COORDINATED attack going
>>            on whenever Michael, Ted, or Abhay make a posting, in order to
>>            give the appearance of a consensus of disagreement.

Paranoid, are we?

>Yes, but the coordination at best  is quite poor.  

Ooh! Such incompetence. Now, if you had worthier opponents, wouldn't
that be so much more fun?

>They  usually start
>calling names or write some nasty things which make people ignore them
>mostly. Now most people who read  rfv seem to know  how to create kill
>files. 

>(*The electronic insecticide is the kill file* - A. Bulsari, 1992)

Example: /^From:.*abulsari/:j should work quite well with rn ....

>>     Perhaps it is simply that meat eaters feel so threatened by vegetarians
>>     that they feel the need to follow this newsgroup and defend their diet
>>     to people who really couldn't care less.   I don't know.

The only time I have seen the omnivores on this group defend their
diet is under specific provocation. I have been reading rfv for over 2
years now, and seen little, if any, attack on a vegetarian diet.

>>     I do know that when I was eating meat, I was interested in diet, but
>>     I couldn't have cared less what was going on in this newsgroup.   

So, you had meat centered tunnel vision then, and a vegan centered
tunnel vision now. Shows some consistency.

>>     Somebody would have had to PAY me to put in the kind of time that 
>>     Rich Young, et al, must be putting in to keep up their attacks in this
>>     group.

Aha! but you are not Rich - and Rich is not you. Paul, since you have
such strong differences with Rich, what makes you think he is like
you?

>Yes, but do you *know* that they are not being paid ?

Aah! Finally! Real evidence! No we can try and convict Rich Young and
all his co-conspirators!

>>     Food for thought.

Half baked ...

>(No sarcasm, no jokes in the above.)

That's what I was afraid of.

>Abhay Bulsari

Look Ma! No smilies!

Atri
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