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From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Missing episode list needs to be posted
Summary: BEEEEEEp
Keywords: BEEEEEEp
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:45:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx7zKE.8K9
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana






DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE PUTTING THE LIST OF THE MISSING DR WHO
EPISODES ONTO THE NEWSPAGE? THAT IS A NEW LIST?
IF NOT COULD YOU SEND ME A COPY?
THANKS                                            jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.e
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: The "cynicism" of Survival, etc
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:00:41 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

There have been lots of comments / flames about the McCoy stories recently,
mainly talking about how the stories may have been socially relevant, but
they still hold a deep cynicism about human nature.  People have been talking
about the lack of morality of stories such as "Survival" as an example of
how little the characters are cared about.

Last night, I saw Star Trek III (aka Kirk's Seven) again, and the final
battle between Kirk and the Klingon commander on the dying Genesis planet
sparked a few comparisons.

In "Survival", the Doctor and the Master fight as the planet dies around
them.  The Doctor is about to deliver a killing blow, but stops and calls
out to the Master.  The Master attacks him again, as the Doctor screams,
"If we fight like animals, we'll die like animals" -- and, perhaps by
asserting this conscious will, he is freed and returns home to the TARDIS.

In ST3, Kirk and the Klingon are engaged in a similar fight to the death.
The Klingon slips off the edge of a cliff, and Kirk offers him his hand.
Like the Doctor, he drops the fight.  But this time, when the Klingon
continues his attack, Kirk says "I've had about enough of you" and kicks
the Klingon off the cliff to his death.

Which story is more cynical?  Which has a greater respect for life or for
its characters?  Which hero would you rather believe in?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: psyctwo1@cc.newcastle.edu.au (PSYCTWO1)
Subject: Re: Dwarf Star Alloy
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:19:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.092940.8277@iscsvax.uni.edu>, morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct30.154715.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, psyctwo1@cc.newcastle.edu.au (This is a general access account...do not reply to this account.) writes:
>> I was watching, um, can't remember the name of it (yes, it's me, I'm back!)
>> when Romana (my hairdresser is called Romana) was with Adrian and she picked
>> up a peice of "Dwarf Star Alloy".
>> 
>> My question is, if 1 teapsoon of a Dwarf Star weighs as much as the entire
>> earth, how does Romana manage to pick it up?  Even if it is Alloy, what is it
>> alloyed with??  Hydrogen??
> 
> Well, you have the right idea, but the amounts are off a bit.  A WHITE 
> dwarf is the left over remains of a star after it finishes it burning 
> phase(s).  The sun will eventually become a WHITE dwarf.  The density of a 
> white dwarf is roughly what you would get if you crushed down a volkswagen 
> down to the size of a sugar cube - about a ton per cubic cm.  So Romana 
> sure must work out in the gym if she can carry that kind of stuff around.
> For the most part these stars have little hydrogen, but tend to be made up 
> of Carbon, Neon, Oxygen or some other such stuff.
> 
> DWARF STARS is another name given to stars like the sun that are burning 
> hydrogen in their cores.  They are densest in the middle, on the order of 
> 100s of times denser than water.  In the outer regions they are quite light 
> weight, a fraction of the density of water.  And they certainly are not made 
> of solid metal.  These stars though are about 75% hydrogen in composition, 
> 23% helium, and 2 percent all other elements (roughly) so she could have been 
> picking up alot of hydrogen!

Well, I assume that it was not a white Dwarf, as the ship was black (getting
very scientific here  ;) and the Doctor stated that it was the mass of 
something very large causing all the probs, and that there wasn't anything
large enough to be causing the probs.  Romana told him about the Alloy, and
the Doctor said "Of course!"

Either that, or Romana HAD been working out heaps, and it was the mass of her
muscles causing all the probs.  :)

Timesaint  reply to c9110499@brolga.newcastle.edu.au

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker)
Subject: Dr. Who Calendar and Visions '92
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:48:40 GMT

Is there some kind soul who is going to Visions that would be willing to
pick me up a 1993 Dr. Who Calendar?  I have been told by a few people not
to trust Who Enterprises.

Someone Please help...

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Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 15:34:52 CST
From: Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr. Who video releases in US?
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov9.191128.10173@analog.com>, alex.soto@analog.com (Alex Soto)
says:
>        I'd like to know if anyone here knows whether there will be more
>Dr. Who videos coming out soon (in the US).  If they do, can they post what
>will come out and what is its' projected date?  Thanks.

My guess is that you'll have to wait about 6 months for another batch
to be released.  Someone else might want to venture a guess as to what
might be in the next batch, like perhaps the Tom Baker Years, or
the Daleks tape, or the Cybermen tape, or ... ?

Steve Hill                                       SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET
Data Communications Technician           William Rainey Harper College
Information Systems department         1200 W Algonquin Rd Palatine IL
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!  AND SO DO I
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:32:26 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> 
> I don't care whether I can relate to Ace.  I care whether I like her or find
> her interesting.  This is what makes a memorable character, as opposed to an
> identifiable character.


?!?!?!?!?!?!?!   Huh?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?

You don't care whether or not you can relate to the characters you're
watching?  That IS what makes a character interesting!
That was the point of having companions in the first place, and for the
first time in the series' history they had a kid who was much more realistic
in her attitudes and actions than in the past and it worked wonders.


> Again...I don't care.  Romana and Leela had it all over this pouting,
> sullen, thoroughly irritating little brat.  Dysfunctional family or no,
> screaming or no, she was just an abrasive character.

What was so abrasive about Ace?  She's wicked!  She's 'brill!   

Are you sure you and I are watching the same character?   This is Ace,
not Melanie or Susan.  Ace as in strong kid who won't take any crap from
anyone and likes to blow things up.

> 
> She's still worse than Adric.  Adric had a certain boyish charm when at his
> best.  Ace, at *her* best, simply used ridiculous expressions of approval
> at which I spent lots of time snickering ("ace," "wicked").

It's called "slang," and at the time, those words were quite popular in
Britain. (Many still are)

Ace worse than Adric?    Whilst I like Adric, I cannot for the life of me
see how anyone in their right mind could possibly think this!

> 
> This might have been nice if (a) she were charming enough for us to care
> about her hangups, and (b) these hangups were resolved.  As far as I can
> tell, her major step forward was losing her fear of water.  That's character
> development?

She was charming because she was majorly flawed, a character trait too often
missing in companions.  
As for the resolutions, that's a lot of what "Curse of Fenric" is about
with the "baby is your mother" bit and the symbolic cleansing of herself in
the waters at the end.
Yes, Drewcifer, that's character development.


> 
> Too bad, deal with it.  If you don't want to read, don't bother to post.
> 
> And may I point out that a million points of logic will not help me like
> Ace.  I doubt that you care...so you can drop it unless you have a stronger
> purpose in mind than changing my opinion.  It seems everyone but me loves
> the little strumpet so why are you arguing?  I'm a Scorpio, I'm too stubborn
> for this sort of thing to work.  :)


I think Avon on "Blake's 7" put this best (whilst talking to Vila):
Vila:  I'm entitled to an opinion.
Avon:  It's that you think we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.

You're in the vast minority Drewcifer, and you keep responding to everyone's
posts about this too, making you a very, very vocal minority, so do us a
favor and quit posting about it.





> 
> Drewcifer



Steven.K.Manfred
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Re: episodes vs. stories
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:53:50 GMT

"dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:

>Steve Manfred wrote:
>-------------------
>-> I would, however, like to point out the words "story" and "movie" as
>-> acceptable synonyms for "serial," especially "story."  (Movie is a
>-> little inaccurate.)

> I agree with the useage "story". I define "episode" as a _part_ of a
>story.
   
   This si an interesting debate. Let us confirm things here

   Doctor Who "stories" or "adventures" consist of x amount of
   episodes, usually of 25 minute length (the only exceptions are
   Mission to the Unknown 1 episode, 1 adventure in its own right
   ressurection of the daleks 2 episodes of 45minute length each (making 4     
   episodes of running time)
   The Five Doctors original, a 95 minute story in its own right (although
   there is a later 4 episode edit)
   Attack , Varos, Timelash, Mark, Revelation with 45minute eps making a 4
   epsiode running length story
   Two Doctors 3 45minute eps, making 6 epidoes running length.)

   Hence, as an example, Paradise Towers is a Dr Who story/adventure and it
   has 4 episodes.

   Any edits of this to make it run without breaks is not true to its 
   original form, this is where the term movies come into play.
   Dr Who is not however, a set of movies, it is a set of 158 official stories/
   adventures containing all those lovely little episodes.

   So when I refer to a Doctor Who story I will refer to it by story and by    
   episode to its original form.For example, the only edit I have seen of
   Trial of a Time Lord is the singular 14 episodes making one adventure
   (although it possesses 4 individual stories in their own right.)

   Phew. Does that clear things up?
   Jason.
>Regards,
>Dale Clayton
>-----------------------
>dale.clayton@canrem.com
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From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Stallone buys TARDIS
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:03:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, duzan@tweety.cis.udel.edu (Gary D. Duzan) says:

>In article <WHITEHEC.92Nov5113908@panda.cs.man.ac.uk> whitehec@cs.man.ac.uk (C J Whitehead) writes:
>=>
>=>Apparently Sylvester Stallone bought a police box at an auction
>=>of TV memorobilia.  It wasn't the Doctor Who prop,  but an identical
>=>one from Dixon of Dock Green.  God knows what he wants it for!
>
>   Maybe he is planning on playing the Doctor in the Doctor Who movie
>and is wanting to practice. :-)
>
And his companion could be .... Aaaaa dreee ann!!!!!!!!

(One could get ill with the thought.  Of course they could play it campy.)



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From: ST101229@brownvm.brown.edu (Charon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Colin Baker poll
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:13:43 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

     I wasn't too impressed by colin Baker either...
     I've seen mostly Davison and T.Baker, plus a bit of Pertwee, and Paradise
Towers.  Colin Baker seemed very obnoxious and excessive, especially compared
to Davison's character before him.  Another unpleasant comparison was in the
pacifism of the Doctors.  For at least 3 doctors before C.Baker (I haven't seen
any Hartnell or Troughton), the Doctor was unwilling to do acts of violence
against _anything_.  C.Baker's Doctor was, if you will, fundamentally "good"...
but he didn't have the restraint of the other two.
     Has anyone seen Witness?  Remember the scene where the little Amish boy
first finds out about a gun?  His grandfather puts the gun on the table, at a
distance from them both, and sits the boy on his lap.  He asks his grandson,
"What would you do with the gun?"  The boy responds that he would shoot the bad
 people.  The grandfather asks how he could see into the hearts of men, to see
if they were good or evil.  Pertwee, Baker, and Davison seem like the
grandfather.  They're not willing to hurt anyone if it would cause some sort of
of suffering.  Colin Baker, on the other hand, seems to believe in the ends
justify the means.

     Oh, well, enough of this tirade...I'm getting stupid.
          -Charon, Boatman of the River Styx <st101229@brownvm.brown.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: pjaffe@next12csc.wam.umd.edu (Paul I. Jaffe)
Subject: Re: Movie
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:46:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.113817.298@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu  
writes:
> In article <BxHA3H.D39@news.orst.edu>, schatzj@WTFD.ORST.EDU (Jeremy  
Schatz) writes:
> >     This is my first time posting her , so please excuse any mistakes.
> >     
> >     I was wondering what was going on with the Dr  movie that is being
> >     produced in America. Is this still happening? And does anyone know  
when
> >     it will be released.
> >     
> > 	 Thank You e
> 
> 
> God, I hope not!  
> 
> My cousin found and bought a pirate copy of the script for this proposed
> movie and I read some of it.  I had to stop about a third of the way in
> because I couldn't stand it anymore.
> 

Actually, it sounds kind of interesting. Where did you get that script? I  
would like to see it.

			-P
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: End of the Ace Thing
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:22:26 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

That's it.  No more.  It's done; let it go.

I don't know why every debate I get into seems to continue unabated...all I
know is that most people get very offensive when they post followups.  When
I argue, it's on an intellectual level, not a personal one.  I try not to
let my argument degenerate into an attack upon the person I'm arguing with. 
I have done that a few times, and have apologized each time.   However, I
keep reading postings about "why won't Drew shut up?" and "we all agree,
we're right, you're wrong, give it up" and "Drew's so childish" and, well,
honestly, folks, I hardly consider *that* "netiquette."  Argument is one
thing; what I've read is quite another.

I'm sure I would please many people by announcing my unsubscription to this
newsgroup...but I know there are some people out there who have the ability
to distinguish between a statement of opinion and a petulant little boy
who shouldn't be allowed to use a keyboard spouting his views irresponsibly. 
I don't think I'm guilty of the latter.  Therefore, I shall continue to
post...but not about Ace.

I shall try very hard not to followup to this thread anymore (after what
I've just finished doing, that is).  It's obviously futile to disagree with
the majority on this most intolerant of newsgroups, so the Ace Topic is
Dead.  End of story.

I apologize if I *have* inadvertently offended anyone; to me this is a game,
an idle amusement for fans, and apparently some people are in deadly earnest
about it.

And to prove that this is not a self-righteous "I'll apologize and be a
martyr" post, I'll add that I'm probably one of the most obnoxious
subscribers you've ever encountered and admit that I've carried this on as
far as it could go for the sheer fun of it.

You haven't heard the last of me; be warned.

Drewcifer

P.S. I *shall* E-mail those who followup to the followups I've just done with
rudeness; no sense in wasting space!
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Voting for ballot is under way;
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 14:20:09 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

- In article <retief.721000464@mchem3.al.iastate.edu> retief@iastate.edu (Jim M
- >This(the above) seems to me to be a most incredible amount of bandwidth wast
- >and I for one won't even consider posting, let alone maintaining this
- >list.
-
- >)Also, the sheer volume of this (and non-usefulness to anyone that has alrea
- >)seen it once), suggests to me that monthly is too often, especially if they
- >)are available via FTP.  Posting 3-4 times a year should be plenty.  Best to
- >)correspond to new semesters and quarters starting around the world.
-
- A good compromise -- how about voting on posting a POINTER message containing
- this list of contents?  A *faq, in a sense, one message posted monthly to
- take the place of all these faq and pifaq (pretty-infrequently-asked-question
- imho) files.  It would refer those interested to the FTP sites / people]
- where these resources were available.  God knows, I'd much rather see one
- message which tells me where to get an up-to-date club listing than wade
- through one every month.  :-)
-
-
  Pardon me, while I go into DOGmatic modde.

  Taking on both your arguments: 1) Doctor Who is rich with "history" apart
from being the longest running "Teleserials".   Using the background of the
history would be a very good idea for forwarding the Whovians' favourite
show.
   2) And Jon's point is good.  I did offer to e-mail to someone who would
want  to host-ftp the list.  Still available as userLIBE@mts.ucs, it is such
in limbo, and thus NOT postable.  Also, I am NOT a fortunate person to have
ANY REAL FTP access.  Mailing might be considered an option, and having to
broadcast 1000 lines of information isn't exactly fun, when it has to be done
via ASCII protocol.  Hence, I am proposing a compromise, that MIGHT serve in
the best interest of Whovianism, if I might use the word.

  "Democracy at work" - the 4th Doctor from ...

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: episodes vs. stories
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:30:11 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <BxKHxr.FpK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:

>"dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:

>   Dr Who is not however, a set of movies, it is a set of 158 official stories/
>   adventures containing all those lovely little episodes.

Er... 159, actually...

(But your summing up of the episode/story distinction was about right.)

Daniel.
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From: daniel.bishop@canrem.com (daniel bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: resistance is futile
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Resistance is *not* futile...they do not wish to be assimilated.
I...will...not...

I am the Master.  You will obey me.

Okay.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Re: Missing episode list
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:27:31 GMT

john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) writes:

>ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>>THE MISSING EPISODES  (by story names only)
>>
>>FIRST DOCTOR - WILLIAM HARTNELL
>>
>>Season Three
>> Galaxy Four (all 4)

>I just read that this was recovered, but it's dubbed in Tibetan!
     PERHAPS IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE, BUT NOT IN OURS............
     IM WAITING FOR FURY FROM THE DEEP IN SEAWEED SCRAWL.....

> . SM 1.06 *0020 . Reality is for people who can't face science fiction.
>
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:56:28 GMT
Message-ID: <scott.721364188@phylo>
From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Re: colin baker poll
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:04:56 GMT

"dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:

> Bruce M. Crawford asked:
> -----------------------

>-> What is the general opinion of Colin Baker's version of the Doctor?

> BTW, if Colin Baker had played The Doctor like he did in the two
>"Stranger" videos, he could very well have been _very_ high on the list
>of favourite Doctor. To be fair, he was excellent in those.
   
   Too true..Summoned by Shadows and More than a Messiah were excellent. Colin
   played the doctor here as I think he really wanted to, and it shows.
   Although i prefer the first both are well worth seein, if only for Nicola
   Bryant!!!! (here come the slobbering perverts!!!)
   There is athird made, I hope its as good as the other two. You see, the 6th 
   Doctor did have more adventures...

   point: alot of fans complain that Who stories are complex and they dont 
   understand them. What happens, the fans produce a video which is far more
   complicated than anything this side of Christopher Bidmead.
    

    Jason.


>Regards,
>Dale Clayton
>-----------------------
>dale.clayton@canrem.com
>--
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Colin Baker poll
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 09:42:32 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

bmcraw01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> What is the general opinion of Colin Baker's version of the Doctor?  My local
> PBS station recently started showing the episodes where he portrays the Docto
> and so far, I'm not impressed.  I've seen Pertwee, Tom Baker, and Davison, an
> I've liked each of them much better than Colin Baker.  What are some other
> opinions out there?

Well I'm not fond of him.  I can give you the opinion of my four year old
son.  "I hate the stupid Clown Doctor, could you put on the one with the
scarf and the hat?"    Out of the mouths of babes.  :)

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