HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Organization: Netcom, San Jose, California
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:14:32 GMT

exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes ...
>I think you might be missing the point here.  I would rather pay *more* to 
>raise a child than *less* to kill one.  IMHO, my money, I want to say what 
>it gets spent on.

You'll have to pardon my extreme skepticism, since I've seen no
evidence of any pro-lifer spending significant money on avoiding
abortions.  The current tactic seems to be to force other people to
spend _their_ money.

Here's a solution to the abortion problem.  One which will let you and
people who agree with you end 95% of abortions almost overnight.

Pay women to give birth.

That's it.  Yes, it will cost, and some women will probably demand
quite a bit of money, but I'm sure that by time you get to $250,000
each, almost all women will be willing to go through with pregnancy.

And after all, the life of a fetus/embryo is priceless, and worth any
expense.

Right?

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Friedrich Nietszsche
From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: New news group????
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:06:48 GMT
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University

kyeh@remus.rutgers.edu (Kung-Ching Yeh) writes:
>After reading several of the comments posted to this group, it occurs to 
>me that we might be able to get rid of many of our liberal frineds if we
>created a new group:

>               alt.self.hating.white.males

    Well, maybe alt.conservative.hating.white.males would do it, but I 
still have my doubts. A while back I was sending email to people who were 
cross-posting stuff to a.f.r-l and a good 30% of the replies were fairly 
mean-spirited responses from people who actually seemed pleased with the 
idea that their posts might be annoying to Rush Limbaugh fans.

    To the extent that you let the annoying unsubstantitive drivel get to 
you I would say that you are doing exactly what the originators of those 
posts wanted.

>Posting is so phallic!

    Huh? Could you ellucidate this statement a little bit? What is it 
about posting that you feel is phallic?

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:58:22 GMT

dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely) writes:
>libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
>|> I'm really, really sick of this "Christians are a persecuted
>|> minority" stuff.  It just ain't so, folks.  

>IT JUST IS SO, FOLKS!

[censorship examples snipped]

>There are many more examples in just about every state in the U.S.
>I'll post them if you want them!

    You needn't post them to convince me. I have seen several examples 
of (IMHO) unjustifiable attempts to suppress Christians who want to talk 
about their religions, however I would still say that America's Christians 
aren't persecuted with anything like the trials that the Pilgrims suffered 
before they came to North America. 

    I noticed in Rush's morning update this morning that he made the claim 
that members of the "Religious Right" were brought to this country against 
their own will (no doubt trying to make a parallel with black who were
enslaved and brought to the New World in shackles and chains). I sympathize 
with people who are subjected to religious presecution, but with the 
exception of convicts who were sentenced to "transportation", my 
understanding is that most white immigrants to North America came of 
their own free will (even those who obtained their passage by agreeing 
to be indentured servants on their arrival). I doubt very much that Rush 
was referring to those convicts in his update, so I'm left somewhat 
dissatisfied in the exactness of Rush's historical knowledge.

>The only problem is that Christians are the only group that can be 
>lampooned, abused opressed, and demeaned without drawing the wrath of 
>PCers/Liberals/Media.

>This proves again that:  LIBERAL=HYPOCRITE

    Only if PC = Liberal. In some cases that's correct, but I've been a 
little amused recently that Rush has been trying to supress his own use 
of the word "share" because (as a liberal term) it doesn't measure up to 
Rush's own "correctness".

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: ryanm@stein.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly)
Subject: Re: Disappointment with this group...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.134320.18525@husc3.harvard.edu> cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.043210.24310@u.washington.edu> ryanm@stein.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly) writes:
>>
>>I just joined this group today and already hate it.  I love to listen to
>>Rush Limbaugh when ever I get a chance.  Infact I can't watch his show
>>until I workout (it works too!).  I don't get to listen to him very often
>>because all the computers in my shop cause horrible interferrence.  I
>>thought this news group would help me keep up in the Ditto head stuff.  I
>>now have to wade through a pile of puss from Libs/Nazis/Fems/Humanists
>>just to get one of relevance.
>>
>>It was mentioned that a moderated conservative news group should be formed
>>is a great idea.  I welcome a chance to discuss ideas without the above
>>people butting in.  I enjoy a good arguement but not on every comment
>>made.  I hope we can create a news group like this.
>>
>>I think the people who have invaded this news group and turned good
>>fruitfull discussions into a garbage pit typifys the liberals as childish
>>and without restraint.  I do not feel this way with all liberals and some
>>have good points and valid discussions but the majority are trash
>>conversations.  GROW UP PEOPLE!  --Ryan
>
>Well, all the "trash conversations" are inherent in any newsgroup,
>not just conservative ones.  If we liberals were to form a newsgroup
>of our own, a lot of conservatives would post there and there is
>nothing we could do about it (except possibly get a moderator, which
>would sort of defeat the purpose of discussing politics in an 
>unfettered way).  No, the only alternative is to defend your views
>well and make "liberal" use of the kill file :)
>Also, this newsgroup bases itself on Rush's show, which both liberals
>and conservatives watch and enjoy commenting upon.
>Chris


You will probaably read a followup to one like this.  I don't like
conversations being downgraded to name calling (four letter words) and
such.  It takes much of the intelligence out of the conversations.  If I
had someone swearing in my face they wouldn't have a face anymore, like
some of the posts sound like.  This is not due to an abid hate for
liberals or bad temper (I can handle a lot) but rather a defense of my
right to speak and maintain my private space (none of this "In your face"
stuff).

I welcome more calm and intelligent discussions.  Then you wont hear a
complaint from me.  --Ryan

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
  Ryan McNeilly                    Internet: ryanm@u.washington.edu
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"You can't deal from a position of weakness"  --Alfred Thayer Mahan
Moral:  Protect the 2nd Amendment!

My comments and opinions are my own and nobody elses!!!!!

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely)
Subject: Re: Rush's theme song
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:48:51 GMT
Distribution: usa

Rush has recently added...

Multiculturalist Update
	"I'd like to Teach the World to Sing" by the New Seekers

This one dates back to the early 1970s, I believe.

-- 
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David P. Lovely					      BOYCOTT BARBRA STREISAND!
Mead Data Central	       Don't Blame Me.  I didn't vote for Slick Willie.
Dayton, Ohio						       Vote KEMP in 96!
		NO DISCLAIMER NEEDED (Nobody claims me anyway!)
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Cough! Choke! Air, more air!
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:56:15 GMT

scythe@hardy.u.washington.edu (The Grim Reaper) writes:
>>>:::::======  gus3@midway.uchicago.edu      :::::====== 
>>>:::::======  Paleoconservative and proud-  :::::======  
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>As in stone-age thinking, right?

    Actually the prefix "paleo" means old or traditional; thus "paleolithic"
("lithic" meaning "of stone" as in "lithography") refers to the old stone 
age (vs neolithic which refers to the new stone age).

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Xref: sparky alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:10031 talk.abortion:51884
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY !!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:14:32 GMT
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Super G Burger"

<1992Dec10.192800.13725@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) :
>Senator Bob Packwood (R-Oregon) just left Alcohol Rehab!
...
>Those who want to see him recalled, are being accused of HAVING A
>POLITICAL AGENDA !!
...
>You fucking liberals are so damned HYPOCRITICAL it has me rolling on the
>floor laughing! You two-faced pack of lying hypocritical shitbags got
>caught red-handed in Oregon this time! 

Does anyone know who the hell he's talking about?  Who got caught
red-handed in Oregon and what were they doing?

>REPEAT: 
>USING POLITICS TO BUST CLARENCE THOMAS FOR ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL
>HARASSMENT IS OKAY POLITICS. 
>USING POLITICS TO BUST BOB PACKWOOD FOR SUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS OF
>SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS BAD POLITICS. 

This man does not seem to be playing with a full deck.  He doesn't
understand that Packwood admitted and apologized for his transgressions.
Has Mr Thomas done so?

>		   This, my friends, is LIBERALISM.

This, fellow net readers, is an example of why cousins shouldn't marry.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:06:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Ho ho ho...
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

Hmmmm....sounds familiar....

except not "fifth day" or "eleventh day" etc....

Sounds more like the last 12 years !!

Merry Christmas...Ho Ho Ho Hum..

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Re: Disappointment with this group...
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 15 DEC 92 08:30:24 EST


In article <1992Dec15.043210.24310@u.washington.edu>,
ryanm@stein.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly) writes...


>I just joined this group today and already hate it.  I love to listen to
>Rush Limbaugh when ever I get a chance.  Infact I can't watch his show
>until I workout (it works too!).  I don't get to listen to him very often
>because all the computers in my shop cause horrible interferrence.  I
>thought this news group would help me keep up in the Ditto head stuff.  I
>now have to wade through a pile of puss from Libs/Nazis/Fems/Humanists
>just to get one of relevance.

For the most part I don't spend too much time reading the various diatribe in
this newsgroup as I find most of it to be a waste of time. Once in a while I
get into an argumentative mood and reply to a bunch of posts. So it goes.

But for the most part, I have found that the Summaries from John Switzer are
more than enough reason to read the newsgroup. When I don't have a chance to
catch the show, I know that I can turn to John's summaries and feel as though I
was actually listening to the show.

I don't know how your mail reader works, but with mine I search for the
'Summary' keyword and if it is a daily summary from John, then I read it. Most
everything else gets cleared.

Regards,
Steve.

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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Rush is a liberal! (Re: Summary Wed 12/9/92)
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Keywords: Rush Limbaugh Unofficial Summary
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Distribution: world,usa,alt,na
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:14:47 CST



Unofficial Summary for Wednesday, December 9, 1992:

> Rush mentions how Ed Raymond, principal at Fargo North High
> School, blames him for what some punk kids did to a girls' locker
> room. Rush therefore decides he is going to blame Raymond and his
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> fellow liberals for Woody Allen, since liberalism is what has
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> created the attitude of permissiveness which has inspired and
> condoned Allen's behavior. Rush knows Raymond is a liberal since
> a) he has taken this occasion of some kids' misbehavior to bash
> conservatives, and b) he is blaming someone other than these kids
> for what they did.
> 
> It is typical of liberals to put the blame for someone's misdeeds
> on everyone else but those actually responsible.

Since Rush is willing to blame Raymond's "fellow Liberals" for 
the comments of Ed Raymond, does that make Rush a liberal (for
blaming someone's misdeeds on everyone else)?

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: Jim Shirreffs
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Organization: JJ Software
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:41:23 GMT


Since I will not be able to post for a while (Going Home to Texas!!!)

I just wanted to wish you *all* a Merry Christmas. At least to whose of you who
haven't placed me in a "kill file". I have very much enjoyed this news group.
And although I can't post from my home system I can read, so I will be following
what goes on here. 

Do you know how the angel got on top of the Christmas Tree?

Well, one day santa was getting ready for Christmas and there was 
a terrible strom. All his reindeer ran away and all his presents 
got scatered about. He was out in the wind and the cold and the 
dark tring to get everything put back into his sleigh when along 
comes and angel and asks "Santa what do you want me to do with 
this Christmas tree" And that's how the angel got on top of 
the Christmas tree.

Merry Christmas.

jim shirreffs



Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: cc774@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert M Connelly)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Prediction: Limbaugh had hit his peak; He will soon fade out
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:57:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I don't know how old Mr Stegner is even though he says he ha
been "voting for a few decades". I have been voting for 45 years
and my man won in '52, '56, '68, '72, '80, '84 and '88. But I do
know that while Slick Willie won the Presidency with ONLY 43 votes
out every 100 cast meaning he is a minority President. He however
is the real loser since tne majority of people do not want what he
and his socialist buddies want. His and algor's antics in Little
Rock the past 3 weeks has been a disgrace being nothing but smoke 
and mirrors. The concept that Hillary "knows more about a lot of 
things than `we' (whoever `we' are) do" is only one of the more
astoundingly silly things Slick has said since February. Those of
us who agree with Dr Limbaugh in whole or in part will be laughing
up our sleeves at all you liberals when we will be posting here
and elsewhere "We told you so" when Rush AND we conservatives are
still around in 4 years. Socialism doesn't work - it is impossible
that it work no matter WHO tries it. The to date announced cabinet
appointments are astounding in the choices of incompetents and
lacking in expertise and knowledge to do the jobs to which they haVE
been appointed. 

-- 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Re:  Disappointment with this group
Reply-To: hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.003709.376@u.washington.edu>
   ryanm@stein.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly) writes:
>
>I have no problem with having my ideas challenged at all (it happens every
>day!).  What I don't like is that this is a *.fan.rush.... group.  I felt
>it's name implied that we would discuss things that Rush has pointed out. 
>All I see is a bunch of libs calling other people names and such.  The
>only fruitful discussions I see are creating a moderated news group for
>conservatives.
>
>Like Voltair said -- I may not agree but I will fight for your right to
>speak (or something like that).  I enjoy fighting it out on issues but
>when all you get back is "The Asshole" and other crap it makes it pretty
>hard to enjoy it.  What I don't like is that the libs act so childish in
>their postings (not all but it seem that way).  I do think many liberals
>have good points that are worth discussing in a rational manner but I
>don't see it very much here.

Yep, the libs indulge in childish, name-calling arguments and if facts start
to work against them, they resort to profanity.  Meanwhile those intelligent
conservatives never resort to name calling, sophistry, or ad homimem
arguments.  After all, terms like "FemiNazi", "environmentalist wacko",
"Slick Willie", and "commie/lib" aren't perjorative names, they're accurate
descriptions of those type of people.

Feh.

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hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Jim Hulsey)   TBDBITL '84 ('85 Rose Bowl)
An Ohioan living in Misery (Missouri, same difference)
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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:18:34 GMT
Subject: Re: RUSH?
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

Russ,  
There is an alt.music.rush or something where Rush (the band) fans
can help you... I think thats where it is... 

It is a pretty funny question.. the post-er has either led a severely 
sheltered conservative life (rock and roll is a communist conspiracy, 
remember?) or he/she was born just after world war I....

all disclaimers apply, especially here.
"The bombing begins in five minutes"- R. Reagan
From: andersmc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Posts by Rush? NOT!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:59:11 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: andersmc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

In response to Keith's post,

Keith,
	With all the noise made by the Non-Fan's on this group, Rush really
could probably go without the headache of defending his position to everyone
that listens for ten-seconds and does not understand.  As a listener of Rush
for three plus years, his Compuserve account get enough mail that his time 
could be spent better other places. As for Rush's address it is a compuserve
address which is:
70277.2502@compuserve.com
Problem is, I've never been able to get through with that.  I get all my mail
returned. I maybe doing something wrong? who knows.

Matthew Anderson
andersmc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- your name may vary)
Subject: Loggers Plan for Future? (formerly: Life Under Clinton/Gore '92:)
Originator: judi@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: The Bedrock Royal Order of Water Buffaloes
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:04:23 GMT

What: <BzA9oB.809@ais.org>
Who:  hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik)

>> = palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)

>>There is a finite amount of
>>virgin forest. When it is gone, the logging jobs will be lost but there
>>will be no forest left. On the other hand, if we stop logging these
>>forests now, the jobs will be gone but the forest will still be there.
>
>You honestly think the timber industry is that stupid?  You don't think
>they might, oh I don't know, *plan for the future*, and say, plant a
>few trees to replace the ones they cut down?  Why would they do that
>when they could work themselves out of business instead?

As a matter of fact, I don't think the timber industry is stupid.  I do,
however, believe that they think *we're* too stupid to see that they have
tunnel vision.

Case in point: a video I (shudder) helped make at a video facility I used
to work at.  Our client's client was a logging company, and their interest
was in producing a video that would reassure the public that logging is
a Good Thing.

The format of the video: two small children asking their
(logger) grandfather about logging.  At one point the children
asked him something like, "But won't all the trees be destroyed?"
The grandfather-type responds that for every tree the industry
cuts down, six are planted.  The children then ask how long it
takes for a tree to grow to the point where it can be cut.  The
grandfather's reply: anywhere from 30 to 150 years.  One of the children
gasps, "150 -- YEARS?!"

Of course, with that they pretty much admit that they are consuming
forests faster than they can possibly be replenished.  And I sat
at the edge of my chair, waiting for that next electric moment when
the grandfather would explain everything and make me feel better.

The next line in the script pretty much sums up my opinion of the
industry, and, symbolically, for Rush Limbaugh as well.

The other child says, "Hey - mom made us lunch.  Let's eat!"

And the subject was dropped.

>>The further left or right you get, the more you look alike.
>
>On this, we agree.

Well, kind of.  The far left is silly.  The far right is terrifying.
(Who was it who first said this?)
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But still I fear and still I dare not laugh at the madman.