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From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: Texas Rangers questions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:10:00 GMT

Any questions about Texas Rangers players,etc.. for your Roto Draft can be
asked through my email address. I will be happy to answer them.
         Jason Brown
         b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu
         cs1441fs@decster.uta.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: PTP: Have a copy of the rules you can send me?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:21:04 GMT

If anyone has a league running on PTP as a simulator, could they please
send me a copy of their rules so I can compare those with mine as I update
my league.

Thanks,
Dan
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Marlins/Rockies blow Atlanta 2nd pick
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:15:39 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:
: In article 17110177@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM, oz@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Kent Ostby) writes:
: >During the second round of the expansion draft, the Rockies choose Vinny
: >Castilla and this is stupid.
: >
: >At that point in time, there were one of the four following people:
: >Pete Smith, Kent Mercker, Tony Tarasco, and Donnie Elliot.  
: >
: >There is no way on earth that Castilla is a better prospect than ALL four of
: >the above.
: >
: >A blow a blow a blow a blow.
: >
: >Oz
: >
: 
: 
: 
:  Ahhh, yes. Someone else who thinks as I do. Like I said earlier,(in post
:  Keith Mitchell???) the expansion teams blew their 2nd Braves pick because someone  better than Castilla simply had to be available. BTW Oz, you left Keith Mitchell off   your list. He probably was available, and if he wasn't, Elliot, Tarasco or Ramon Caraballo was available.
: 
:  Expansion teams blew Braves 2nd pick in a big way. But, as a Braves fan, I can live
:  with that.      

According to the Atlanta Fishwrapper, Elliot, Mercker and Smith
were all protected in the second round; however, Tarasco, Mitchell
and Caraballo were available, and remained available in the third
round.  It boggles the mind that the Rockies apparently considered
Castilla and Reynosa more valuable than these three.

Bill   
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ecaxron@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR! Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
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Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:02 EDT  

In article <1992Nov23.150609.15256@cs.cornell.edu>, 
     tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes...

>The Indians would be idiots to trade a *young* *superstar* for two 30
>year old players who never amounted to particularly much even in their
>prime. 
>But then, the Indians have never been interested in winning games.
>Their excuse *used* to be that they wanted to dump salary.  But now
>they can't use that as an excuse.  They hardly have any salary left to
>dump!  Obviously, somebody is trying to kill the team.

And we know who it is!  It's the Toronto Sun, and those participants in
rec.sport.baseball who believe these bogus stories the Sun prints about 
who the Tribe is about to trade to Toronto.

If there is a trade between the Indians and Jays, and you can mark it down,
it'll be Felix Fermin for Todd Stottlemyre.  Nothing more earth-shaking.

RG

"I don't know how [the Indians] lose.  I really don't."  -  John Smiley
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Minor trade
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:18:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boo!

In <21NOV199212010054@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:


>	Patrick Howell?
>	D'OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   (to quote Homer Simpson).
>I happened to LIKE Howell.  I know he didn't hit last year, but he had good
>speed, made some amazing defensive plays, and was, even though an aging not-
>prospect, was 30 times better than Vince Coleman.  I will get flamed for
>liking somebody who doesn't have great stats, but he was fun to watch, and since
>he's no worse than Ryan Thompson turned out to be last year, I'd rather have
>had Howell in the first place.

No one ever said that bad players weren't fun to watch, though I didn't find
it particularly fun to watch when Howell tried to convince the Shea wall
to kill him during the last game of the season.

>	Not an AWFUL trade for Fat Al, but you know Reed's gonna be out
>of the organization by March '94, while Howell will probably become a useful
>Alex Cole type with Devon White defense and play for the Twins for years.
>	Sigh............

A comparison of Reed and Howell projections shows the main difference is
that Ryan has power:

        AVG   OBP   SLG
Howell  .238  .273  .259
Thompson.237  .282  .361

Now, Howell does play great defense, though he doesn't have the instincts
that Devon White has.  And while it's not impossible, I think it's
pretty unlikely that Howell will develop into someone as good as Alex
Cole offensively.

I've always liked Darren Reed.  His middle name the past few years, though,
has been bad luck - everything bad that could happen did happen.  Hopefully,
he'll provide the Mets with a adequate back-up outfielder this year.

Greg 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: Whats the stupidest rule in baseball?
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:43:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <TOM.92Nov23144038@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com> tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:
>While waiting for the season to start, here's a nice time wasting topic for
>discussion:
>
>   What is the stupidest rule or procedure in baseball?
>
>The best I can come up with is the balk rule which says a balk occurs when
>the pitcher attempts to decieve the runner. I mean *really*, if the runner
>was picked off, he must have been decieved, so all pickoffs should
>automatically be balks :-).
>
>The official definition of the strike zone might be another good candidate.
>
Well, hopefully I can get this in before the anal-retentive rabid mediot
loving anti-DH squad sends troops (and you thought the right-to-lifers were
annoying...), but my candidate would be the rules governing the awarding to
pitchers of saves, wins, and losses.  Luckily, we've managed to get rid of the
GWRBI...


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
TONIGHT-In "Ryecatcher", Holden Caulfield foils a plot to turn his old prep
school into a right-wing military acadamy run by Neo-Nazis. 8PM(7PM C/M) Ch. 7
                                                        -The Book of Sequels...
From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR! Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:15:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.721988138
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
[...]

>So, the trade on the table is:

>Alomar and Baerga for Borders and Lee

I'd pull the trigger.  Alomar could be a very good catcher, Borders isn't.
(World series MVP?  Lemke was almost MVP last year.)  Baerga put up good
offensive numbers, and is fairly young.  Lee is a mediocre shortstop.

>I don't understand this deal at all.  Roberto Alomar is already in 2B, why
>need Baerga?  Could Baerga be used for another trade????????

Could Baerga be used for another position?  What's in this deal for Cleveland,
a mediocre catcher and a mediocre shortstop?
-- 
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Draft may be postponed
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:32:52 GMT

It appears that former rockies owner Mickey Monus is going to get his 
injunction to block the expansion draft. Monus was thrown out of the ownership
committee after the Phar-Mor bankrputcy scandal in which he was accused of 
bilking the company out of a large sum of money. Monus wants control or 
compensation from the Rockies. 

Well, another scumbag kills the Rockies hopes at a team. Just think, we 
could have had the Giants by now, have the 1975 sale gone through, or we just
waited for Lurie to get fed up with San Fran. Now we get a team that's being 
overrun by crooks. 

Sigh. I was just getting to like Colorado Rockies. Tampa Bay Rockies just 
doesn't sound right.


-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
Currently at:	 |"George Bush is Out of Time. Bill Clinton and Al Gore
Box 1143	 |are Automatic for the People."
Boulder, CO 80306|		-VP Elect Al Gore, 10-29-1992
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:39:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.185439.17136@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.124701.12768@pdn.paradyne.com> oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley) writes:
>>Tampa has played by the rules for eight years.  We have been made many
>>promises that MLB has not kept.
>
>What promises has MLB made to Tampa?
>
>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

The biggest and most painful was when the Tampa Bay Baseball Group
bought a portion of the Twins.  They were in the process of buying
another percentage that would have made them majority owner.  MLB
stepped in and basically asked them not to pursue that purchase,
and that it would be preferred that they sell there shares to a local
owner.  The TBBG was told that if they would work with baseball and
cooperate, then baseball would take care of them in the future.  What
was implied?  The NL expansion.  The TBBG then sold ALL their shares
they held, not for market price, but for the exact price they paid.
The TBBG made zero dollars, bowed down, and waited for baseball to
take care of them.

It ain't happened yet.

P.S. Of course there was never anything "official" signed or agreed
to in any so called promise.  This situation was well publicized when
it happened, and is one of the reasons why fans in Tampa were so excited
about having baseball in Tampa.  We felt we were a shoe-in.  But we all
know, that is not necessarily true.  Especially in Tampa.

DonO

--
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: Texas Rangers News Service
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:47:00 GMT

If any wants any information concerning the Texas Rangers, please contact
  Jason Brown email:b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu
                    cs1441fs@decster.uta.edu
  By the way, if we don't sign Guzman, Ranger fans are nuking the front
  office and taking the new stadium with us!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ownership can run
  but they can't hide!!!Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!
 Ruben Sierra for MVP in 1993
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Hot Stove Quotes
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:33:00 GMT
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In article <20NOV92.03420006@vax.clarku.edu>, 
hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes...
>Okay, all this draft stuff is boring me to tears, so I think we
>should start a thread of Famous Baseball Quotes, so we can
>persevere through the long winter nights.  "Quotes" can mean
>full-length anecdotes as well.  The first one that comes to
>mind (for whatever reason) is Casey Stengel's comment on the
>New York Mets' 1969 streak, from August to October, that led
>them to the World Championship:
> 
>    "They came slow, but fast."
> 
>I'll be back with another soon.
> 
>Heather
>HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

One of Yogi Berra's less-known quotes.  When he was a manager, 
one of his players hit what Yogi thought was a double off the (wooden)
fence in fair territory.  Alas, the umpire called it a foul ball.  
The wall in foul territory was concrete, and Yogi felt that he had
clearly heard the ball strike wood.  He lost the argument, but his 
parting words to the ump were:

"A man who can't hear the difference between a ball striking wood and a
ball striking concrete must be *blind* !"  

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay and the Giants
Organization: Personal Opinions Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:26:37 GMT

In article <4200355@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:
>Well I have to agree with Steven and Ken on this one.  I too am a season
>ticket holder.  And yes, there are plenty of stadiums much nicer than
>the Stick.  However, I would prefer an open air stadium to a dome any
>day (or night) of the week - and yes I have been to VERY cold nights
>at Candlestick.  
>
>Having given my opinion on open air vs dome, this is the San Francisco
>bay area, and the weather does get cold when the sun goes down and the
>fog rolls in.  A new stadium in a different location may help, but it 
>will not change the weather, and there will probably still be fog and
>there will still be a chill in the air and the wind will still blow 
>cold.  I am not defending Candlestick - it's a lousy stadium - but unless
>they go to a dome (which I would HATE) the weather is the weather, and 
>people who think a new stadium is going to make everything perfect are
>wrong.
>

	You are absolutely wrong on this.  Haven't U ever watched a  
	weather report on television?  The temperatures vary 
	tremendously throughout the Bay Area during the summer when
	baseball is being played.  The cold and fog is almost
	exclusively confined to the area near the Golden Gate, which
	includes San Francisco and _nearby_ environs.  At the same
	time when it  is cold and foggy in SF, it is in the 70-80s
	in San Jose, 80s-90s in Livermore, etc.

	From what I have read, the Giants fan base is not centered
	in San Francisco.  Therefore, I can't see a profitable
	team and standium existing there, domed or not.  The only
	viable situation will be an open stadium somewhere on the
	peninsula or Silicon Valley, nearer to the fan base center
	and located where it's not freezing cold at night in the
	summer.



	Mark

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Tigers in 93? (Was: Re: Brewers in 93?)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:43:08 GMT
Organization: Boo!  

In <1992Nov19.150019.9062@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.100111.14997@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
          
>A GM *has* to make judgements like that...  (And while most GMs ignore
>single-season plummets, most GMs also get burnt a lot of the time...)

>>Personally I don't think many players could have had such a poor
>>season at the plate and still accomplish the driving in talents of
>>Fielder.

>Tell me that *after* somebody posts the RBI opportunity statistics,
>and I'll believe you.

Don't have opportunity numbers, but Fielder batted .264/.344/.467 with
RISP in 1992 - just slightly better - +20 in average, -1 in walk%, -9
in power% - than he did overall.  82 RBIs came in these situations, 12
RBI from none on/out homers, 13 from homers in other situations, and
17 RBIs from other situations.

So it doesn't appear that Fielder got significantly more RBIs than
you would expect from his overall SLG and opportunities (182 at-bats with
RISP)

Greg 
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:19:15 -0500 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: the anti-hit is gone

Jose Lind has been traded to the Kansas City Royals for Gary
Moeller(spelling) and some guy named Johnson.  It has been well known
that the Pirates have been desperate to unload Lind, so they had no
bargaining power especially with Garcia in the wings.

I have heard that Moeller started the triple A all star game last year
and is a pretty good prospect although he is 25.  With a left handed
pitcher, the age does not concern me as much as if he were an
outfielder.  So, could someone post some relevant data on Moeller or
observations?  From what I heard, the other guy is a stiff.

I thought this move would happen after Beuchele got traded, but it
probably has taken the Pirates this long to find a taker.  The Pirates
may try to play off trading Lind who is a very popular player as a
salary issue.  I really don't see this as the case.  I think Simmons had
to get Garcia in the lineup and realized that Lind is the worst
offensive player outside Rafael Belliard in the national league.

I think the Jay Bell trade looks a little less likely now, which on the
whole is not a bad thing since Bell is still pretty young and an above
average player for his position.  If they can get something great for
him, they will trade him.  Until the traded Lind, there was an added
pressure of getting Garcia in the lineup.

I am glad Lind was traded.  Garcia may be over rated in the Pirates
eyes, but he really can't be worse than Lind.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: bjf@ausom.oz.au (Brian Ferguson)
Subject: Minor leagues.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:54:22 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Sometime in September, or thereabouts, a fan (whose message I managed
to delete) sought expressions of interest on forming a group to
discuss the need for support of minor leagues.

I can only agree with his opinions that major leagues of any type will
pillage younger players as soon as they are seen to have any sort of
ability. It applies not only to baseball either! However from this
distance, I can go no further than that.

This fan, whose address seemed to be from Apple Computer, or any other
reader as well, may be able to assist me with extending a set of
HyperCard stacks loaded with sounds suitable for playing over public
address systems. I have about 8 - 10 sounds (Charge, etc.) and have
converted one verse of 'Take me out to the Ball Game' to a file of
sfil/AUDI fileTYPE/CREATOR.

These sounds range from quite small to over 450 Kbytes, so
considerable hard-disk space is required, but the HyperCard STAK/WILD
format works really well.

The stacks which I have written are unique so far as I know and are
based on HyperCard 2.1.

I would like to obtain either
* tape recordings of trumpet and organ music, which I can edit
using the Audioshop v1.04b application (OpCode Systems of Palo Alto,
CA  415-856-3333), or
* sounds on 800 kb or 1.4 Mb Macintosh formatted disks.

In return, I can send a copy of my stack program if desired. I have a
considerable number of Mb of sounds from the Sound Manager Package and
I have also extracted sounds from other sources. I suppose they are
sort of copyright to others but they predate PC's by decades.

Assistance would be much appreciated. I will reply by private e-mail
to anyone who can help, giving mailing address, etc. My equipment is a
Mac si, 5/105 Mb RAM/HD, System 7.0 until 7.1 is released, Tuneup
7.1.1, 1.4 Mb SuperDrive FDD, HyperCard 2.1.

Best wishes to all fans.

Brian Ferguson
>internet: bjf%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au
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From: mlstocku@zeno27.math.UWaterloo.ca ()
Subject: The Wizard in Toronto
Keywords: Wizard, Shortstop, Blue Jays
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:30:33 GMT


  Hey There,
The Toronto Sun reported last week that the Blue Jays are definitely _NOT_ 
interested in signing Manny Lee next year. They, (the Sun) claims that when
Cito Gaston pinch hit for Lee in GAME 10 of the World Series (Bell?) Lee became
very irrate and now the Blue Jays apparently feel Lee is not a team player. This
was one among many run in's Lee has had w/ Management in '92.
Now the Blue Jays shortstop of the future is reportedly 2 yrs. from the big leagues. So the Jays are, the rumours go, looking at Ozzie Smith for a two year
contract, very seriously. And Ozzie says Toronto is a preferred place to play.
Does anyone else have news/comments/verifications on this?
I think it's going to happen.
/Michael Stockus
From: v393qp56@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Viktor Brenner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Thoughts on Reimer for Bichette?
Keywords: Brewersw
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone else think this is a great deal for the Brewers?  Bichette
really had no home, but they have been weak from lefty power ever since
Stubbsy failed to live up to expectations.  (By the way, is his contract
up this year or does he have a year left?).  This way they can play 
Molitor at first and Reimer DH.  The man out in the cold in this trade
would probably be John Jaha.  But, since no one knows who will or won't
be signed, Reimer is good insurance.  Thoughts?

vik
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