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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (Dark Lord of the Sith)
Subject: BABYLON 5 vs ST:DSN - THE DEBATE BEGINS!
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:54:29 GMT

     I was slightly amused by this article which appeared in the Toronto Star
last week (originally from Entertainment Weekly):
 
                 COSMIC COINCIDENCE IN TV SERIES

     LOS ANGELES - In 1988 says TV writer and producer Joe Straczynski he
pitched Paramount a science fiction TV series set aboard a deep-space station.
Paramount eventually nixed the treatment, according to Straczaynski, because
the series might conflict with its perennially lucrative franchise, STAR TREK.
He then walked his material over to Warner Bros' new TV consortium, which
promptly commisioned a pilot, titled BABYLON 5.
     But even before Babylon's first 2-hour segment went into the can last
month, Babylonians were buzzing about their show's many similarities to
Paramount's new STAR TREK:DEEP SPACE NINE, which was reportedly pitched to
then-Paramount chief Brandon Tartikoff in January 1992. While Paramount has no
comment on either show, both will debut in 1993, and the similarities are
striking. Consider the following:
 
1. BABYLON 5 is a humongous space station posed near a hyperspace "jump point"
providing a shortcut to far-off worlds. ST:DSN is a humongous space station 
poised near a "wormhole" providing a shortcut to far-off worlds.
 
2. B5 is a watering hole for assorted smugglers, thieves, hookers, and rogues,
the set of which features a bar, a casino and a bazaar. ST:DSN is a watering
hole for assorted smugglers, thieves, hookers, and rogues, the set of which 
features a bar, a casino and a promenade.
 
3. B5 is populated by humans and assorted aliens who can barely stand each 
other. ST:DSN is populated by humans and assorted aliens who can barely stand
each other.
 
4. B5 is run by Commander Sinclair, who is haunted by his experiences in a
recent war. ST:DSN is run by Commander Sisko, who is haunted by his experiences
fighting the Borg.

5. B5's female second-in-command defends the station against attack from her
post on the bridge in the pilot episode. ST:DSN's female second-in-command
defends the station against attack from her post on the bridge in the pilot
episode
 
(ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY - end of article )

I wonder what Gene would have thought of all this.

-- 
John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca

"But what does God want with a star ship?"
                            Spock

"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted", Darth Vader
From: cgallagher@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
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Subject: QL Font for Mac
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:58:49 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University



	Does anybody know of an ftp site that has the font that QL 
uses for their logo?

Thanks,

Colin

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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
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Subject: Re: QL: References to Magnum, PI
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <cm1LuB3w164w@kryton.UUCP>, ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes...
>ps70awg@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (mel rupinski) writes:
>Another Mother-The daughter wants to get in the house quickly because she'll
>               miss "Magnum".  Then later she is watching "Magnum PI", and
>               tells her brother that Thomas Magnum is a "real man".  We
>               also see a fairly long scene from the show as well.

I found it strange that the episode took place in 1981, but the little girl
was watch Magnum in the afternoon.

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From: c164-aa@po.berkeley.edu (Paul DuBois)
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Trilogy I
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:23:17 GMT

billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:

>This posting contains spoilers for the 11/17 episode of Quantum Leap.



>Wow.

>[Of course, the fact that Meg Foster could
>see both Sam and Al is beyond dispute.  It's those eyes :-]

No wonder I kept thinking that the episode reminded me of the Scarlet Letter.

>Question - can this be considered the definitive answer to "What happens
>if Sam gets killed while leaping?"  (The Big Man Upstairs pulls the ripcord,
>and the other poor shmuck bites it.  Probably.)

Isn't this in the FAQ?  I interpreted what happened as Sam leaping out
just before the body died.
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From: naran@fraser.sfu.ca (Travers Naran)
Subject: Re: QL: Witches & Spoilers
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:15:30 GMT

matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>As a witch (read: neo-pagan), I do wish y'all would go ahead and
>say "bitch" when you mean bitch, instead of saying witch.  It's a
>small thing, but would be appreciated.  
Ok, "witch". :-) Are you Wicca or villiage-wise-woman variety?

>Now, on to QL.

>Spoiler protection inserted...













>Well, the first part trilogy was well done, a bit creepy and
>a bit mysterious.  Good overall.  I just hope they're not going
>to be obvious about what really happened (i.e., it was the mom)

Yes, it was, but I thought that was part of the fun? :-)
Well thanks for _really_ spoiling it (Not enough of a spoiler warning above, it
implies the episode, not the trilogy). But I figured out something like that at
the time also. Even though I don't call anyone with 'magical' powers
automatically a witch. Let's just wait and see what happens exactly. The promos
seemed to indicate a sort of demonic thing.

>I wonder if Mrs. Haider was just trying to set up Abigail by shouting
>"Get away from me, leave me alone!" there at the end?  If not, WHO was
>she talking to?  Obviously not Sam, he hadn't gotten there yet, obviously
>not Abigail, who was hiding in the closet, probably not Al, unless she's
>nuttier than she seems.  So that leaves a third person.  Was it Meg Foster's
>character?  The stammering boy?  Someone we don't know?  Interesting to
>speculate.  I hope Meg Foster gets more to do in the next two episodes.
>She's too good to waste in a non-role like the catatonic mom.

Good point! I didn't even notice that.

>Comments? Speculations?  

The Mother was 'insane', so why did Sam and Al forget that she could see them?
We know she did because she tried to touch the air where Al was.
The question arises what is the relationship between the mother appearing at
the doorway and Abagail standing in the hall. When I saw Aby standing there, I
thought of "Carrie", but let's wait and see.
Another question is: Is the "Universe or whatever" controlling this leap? Or
Abagail/Mother? Or someone else? REmember we have seen Sam's leap taken over by
the devil (or at least we assume it was a devil and not just a dream). :-)

Another point arises about what is the significance of the massacre? Does it
mean that Meg Foster was just driven 'mad' by it? She caused it or something
even scarier? :-)

>Kellie M-S

May the Rota always spin in your favor. :-)

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From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Forever Knight fan club anywhere?
Summary: me, too!
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:47:41 GMT
Followup-To: poster

In article <92326.193945JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>, JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu (Jean Prior) writes:
> Subject line says it all.  Anyone with info if there is one, and how to get in
> touch with it, email me.  If I get no replies within a week, I will set about
> creating one.  Cheers, Jean

Please email me, too!  I don't get to watch it much anymore, and my vcr
isn't worth talking about.  But if there's a fan club, I would be interested.

Thanks!

margaret@cs.arizona.edu


"Blood is thicker than water, and tastes better, too."





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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: QL: The Leap Back?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:18:41 GMT

dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:

>In article <9760@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> willdm+@pitt.edu (William D Moore) writes:

>   Could someone either verify or correct my observation concerning the 
>   syndicated running of Quantum Leap on USA.  If I remember correctly,
>   they aired the episode "Shock Theater" on Friday, Nov. 13th.  Naturally
>   the next episode to be shown would have been "The Leap Back".  But when
>   I turned on the TV at 7:00 pm on Monday, Nov. 16th to watch it, they were
>   instead showing the episode "Play Ball".  What the hell?

>This has been asked several times.  USA does show Quantum Leap on
>Saturdays, at the same time (7:00 PM eastern).  The Leap Back played
>last Saturday.

>					Dave Barton

If it did, then ir wasn't listed in the TV guide, or the schedule
USA put out that someone posted on the net a few weeks ago.  Did
you see it on Sat?  I seem to rememebr Swampy was on instead.

LJC

>					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
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From: axel@sdf.lonestar.org (T. "Axel" Limpton)
Subject: Re: QL series finale possibilities
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:24:36 GMT

In article <1e6729INNe1d@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikEscutia) writes:
>In article <Bxr7Dr.Gvr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius   ) writes:
>>Or better yet... 
>	[Majority of plot deleted because news server is being a jerk.]
>>A not-quite handsome, sternly dignified face with minute
>>trimmed moustache and slicked, parted black hair stares back at
>>him.  The man is Adolph Hitler.
>>Sam:  "Oh boy."
>Great idea...
>	...but it can't be done.  Under normal conditions, he can't leap past
>his birthdate (1953).  Too bad.  This would have been the *ULTIMATE* QL story!
>	(And, as an added twist, they could pull a LHO and have Sam take on
>Hitler's personality traits...Oh, *boy*!)
>							--MikE
>							I can't get
>							past 1974 myself.
>
>

I agree that going back before his birth is an impossibility (not counting
the al/sam switch), BUT would it be possible for Sam to go past 1999?

In one episode they clue to the leaping is between his birth and his death
(something about accelerating past the end of a life and looping back to the
beginning).  Has anyone read anything about such a possibility.  About the
only problem would be that Ziggy would not/could not know of any history and
Sam would be on his own...





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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: QL: "DUfE": further observations
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:06:44 GMT

In article <Nov.17.21.49.05.1992.8596@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
>kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov17.190621.21173@u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>>>A new topic.  Was this the first episode where Ziggy was referred to as
>>>"she"?
>>>
>
>>Oh heck no.  In "The Leap Back" (which was, what, last season's opener?), 
>>Ziggy was shown, and her voice was most definitely female.
>
>'Tis true, but Ziggy was still referred to as he.  As Sam says when we are
>first introduced to Ziggy (avoiding pronouns at all costs):
>
>	"Why did I give him Barbara Streisand's ego?"
>			^^^
>All throughout the fourth episode, Ziggy was referred to primarily as "he".
>Even in "A Leap for Lisa" (season four's close) Ziggy is referred to as both
>he and she.  I think the question of whether Ziggy is a he or a she is
>pointless though, in the long run, because Ziggy is an artificial, created
>mechanism, not a living organism, no matter how many temper tantrums he/she/it
>throws.

You may be right. The first Ziggy/she I remember was from St. John.
(Al's very straight laced sub in _A Leap for Lisa_) Anyone come up
with something sooner in series chronology?
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: re: DUFE and Daughter of Sin
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:38:47 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <1992Nov18.055356.16119@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu writes:

> 	Boy, women are really taking a beating in QL with these two
> episodes.  We are pictured as evil, shrew-like witches.  The only
> positive images are those of daughter or servant or 1950's style
> wife.  This is the old 'woman as downfall of man' Judeo/Christian
> stereotype that I thought we had thrown off a long time ago.  Now
> I see that we still have a lot of fighting to do.  I as a 35 year
> old woman found myself fighting feelings of helplessness and hopelessness
> about just being a woman!  Think how a young girl growing up watching
> these episodes would feel.  It is no wonder to me that women do not
> achieve as much as men do when there is these kinds of negative images
> of women pervading our subconsciousness.  I expected better from Quantum 
> Leap, I know they can do better!

  Oh, kindly grow up.  As a 35-year old you should have some perspective. 
One might as well say that it's a wonder men accomplished anything -- we're
always rapists, psycho killers, uncaring brutes, etc., etc.

  Considering what the women on the show went through, it is no surprise at all
that they act a little loopy.  In fact, it has not yet been determined they are
the bad guys.  I have my own suspicions in that regard.

  You are making some ridiculous extrapolations from a couple of episodes of
a show where men are often the bad guys.  Get a grip, women can be just as
mean and nasty as men when they feel like it.  Women can cause the downfall of
men.  Men can cause the downfall of women.  There are double standards in how
this can happen, but that does not mean we should ignore reality.

  Your pardon folks.  I just hate people who seem to run around yelling that
it's always society's fault, as if individuals have no control over their own
lives whatsoever.

  BTW, I'm a supporter of ERA.  No "barefoot and pregnant" mentalities here.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: nml@csa.bu.edu (Newton Loui)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL - Trilogy 1 <spoilers>
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:00:17 GMT
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 02:24:21 GMT

In article <Nov.17.21.24.20.1992.5273@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:







   (wishing for the umpteenth time that my news server recognized ^L)

I know *now* what you mean; this version that I'm using doesn't
produce a decent ^L and I know why.  Gotta fix it.








[most of Tracy's first impressions deleted]

   I'm usually very naive about obvious plot lines.  One question I do have to
   ask though is WHY THE HELL DIDN'T SAM GET OUT OF THE HOUSE!?!?!

I felt that since Sam is the "original Boy Scout" he was looking to
see if he could also help save Lita(sp?) Bader.  His hesitated in
looking at the expression on her face.  Al shouted that she gets out
the back way, so Sam should leave but *BOOM* Sam leaps and Sheriff
Fuller dies.

Now it's that witch's word against Abigail's concerning how the fire
started and the Sheriff gets killed.  Evil doesn't need a helper to
leap around putting wrong what once was right, people do just as well
on their own.

[rest of stuff deleted]
   -- 
   * Tracy E. Finifter                       *                              *
   *  finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu           *    "Sanity is overrated."    *

nml
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 know that even one life has breathed easier because you lived.  This
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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL: One Little Heart--The Real Ending
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:31:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Well, I won't give anything away to those who haven't seen the episode or read
the script yet, but I do want to say...

Ohhhhh Boy! *devilish grin*

I can now sit back, satisfied that I know *whyinhell* Sam didn't get out the 
window.  I'd just like to know *why* they cut that--it's much better and *much*
creepier than the ending we got.  *sigh*  The networks never learn...

Thanks for posting that.

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

.sig?  What .sig?  Ziggy says that there is a 90% probability that all I have
are random babblings...
_______________________________________________________________________________

PS  My news server gets stuff _wayyyyy_ late, so I apologize if this gets to 
everyone else _wayyyyyyy_ late.  

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From: jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven)
Subject: Re: Highlander Episode Order (again)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:53:33 GMT

In article <By04pG.EsK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
(Marius   ) writes:
> We're getting reruns (or something) in Champaign, Illinois:
> 
> Is this the proper order?  Fill me in if you have any info;
> or better yet post the proper order yourselves.  Thanx!
> 

Okay, the order as we've gotten them here in DC:

"The Gathering", the series premiere, starring Christopher Lambert
as Conner MacLeod and Richard Moll as the Kurg -- whoops, Slan Quince.

"An Innocent Man", in which one of Duncan's friends is offed in a
hick town where he'd tried to retire.  (It's one WEIRD town... the
sheriff is named Crowley.)  Vincent Schiavelli plays the
mentally ill Viet Nam vet who gets framed, and the black police guy
and bimbo reporter both appear.  Don't remember who played the
immortals (killer and victim).

"The Road Not Taken".  Soon-Teck Oh plays an immortal scientist
dabbling in mind-control drugs, a friend of Duncan's who "crosses
the line".  Dustin Nguyen plays his mortal assistant who starts
using the drugs for personal gain.  The cop appears again.

"Bad Day In Building A".  No immortals, just Duncan MacLeod doing
John McClane in a courthouse taken over by a sentenced criminal's
gang.  Randi the reporter pops up again.

"Free Fall".  Joan Jett and Deveraux.  Nuff said.

"Deadly Medicine".  "You're dead!"  "Well, I got better."  Duncan
meets Doctor Giggles when he checks himself out of a hospital
after a hit-and-run.  Randi becomes an anchorbimbo.

"Mountain Men".  Tessa gets kidnapped.  Marc Singer plays the
head (*nudge*) mountain man, and there's a wonderful loony named Carl
who only appears in flashback.

And there are also reports of another episode, "Family Tree", about
Richie's parents and a flashback to the days when Duncan first found
out he was immortal.  But this doesn't seem to have actually been
broadcast yet.

Hope this helps.  Please post replies, as mail to this account is
screwed up.
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From: billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones)
Subject: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Trilogy I
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:34:31 GMT


This posting contains spoilers for the 11/17 episode of Quantum Leap.





















Wow.

I had to sit through the first 15 minutes while my roommate was playing
Lemmings in the background.  Lemme tell ya - that stopped real fast.

The basic plot was straighforward - Sam leaps into a Sheriff; he and his
daughter die in a fire two nights later.  But several things contributed
to making the Leap unusual.  Not only was his daughter a suspect, but
his wife was a constant presence, in more ways than one.  In fact, Sam
never really got involved with why he was there, because of his involvement
with everything else.

In the first 15 minutes, I was wondering if the girl could see Al; she
certainly couldn't see Sam, so it seemed unlikely.  But in the last 15,
either that kid got an awful lot of clues, or she could sense Al somehow.
Certainly food for thought.  [Of course, the fact that Meg Foster could
see both Sam and Al is beyond dispute.  It's those eyes :-]

Question - can this be considered the definitive answer to "What happens
if Sam gets killed while leaping?"  (The Big Man Upstairs pulls the ripcord,
and the other poor shmuck bites it.  Probably.)

I can't think of much to say about the story - if for no other reason than
it's not over yet.  In that respect, I was a bit disappointed; I was hoping
for a standalone episode that would also fit into the trilogy.  I'm not
really complaining about it, it's just one way to have tried to do it.

I'd give it an A, but I have to give it an I until next week.

NEXT WEEK - let's see.  We have round two of "Which Witch is Which," and the
return of "Disability of the Week (stuttering)."  That should all be in
the second hour... so what's the third?

Jeremy Billones				billones@grebyn.com
"We bust through the door, surprise 'em, and blow their brains out."
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