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From: M18709@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Dewitt Jones Seminar Review
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:00:52 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

Last week I asked for opinions on the Canon/Outdoor Photographer
seminars by Dewitt Jones.  A few people asked me to attend and post
a summary.  Well I attended, and here is my summary
 
Dewitt Jones is an excellent presenter.  He sprinkled his talk with
humor and amusing anecdotes.  Apparently, he was a drama major in
college and it shows.  He even did a number of dialects and accents to
set the stage for some stories.  The slides used were beautiful and
excellently coupled with Dewitt's narration.
 
Dewitt seems to really enjoy sharing his work.  He is devoting an
increasing amount of his career to articles, lectures, and seminars.
He claims to receive a great deal of satisfaction upon hearing the
audience go "oooh" at a photo.
 
Do not get me wrong, not all of the photos were "oohs" or "right
answers".  Some were included to illustrate points about lighting and
composition.  He often showed a number of different photos of the
same subject to illustrate how he would approach recording its image
and how there are a number of different "right answers".
 
He did not spend a great deal of time on equipment and technical
stuff.  He told us what he uses and why.  He says others try all of the
equipment and recommend the best.  He finds something he likes
and sticks with it.  Everyone always wants to know what the pros
use.
 
He concentrated his talk on lighting and composition, and how to
visualize an object and capture what "is turning you on".  Most of his
photos were of landscapes and people.  Included in his talk were
some general philosophy on life and how to live.
 
The seminar was differently worth $40.  I attend a seminar in
Washington, DC (actually just over the river in VA).  I noticed name
tags with address in Ohio, New Jersey, and Georgia.  Apparently
people came from quite a distance.  I sat next to one women who has
attended some of Dewitt's week long seminars in Hawaii and British
Columbia.
 
Most of the audience seemed to be serious amateurs.  There was not
a strong sell job for Canon.  Dewitt uses Canon and endorses their
products, but did not push them on us.  There were also a number of
door prizes (camera bags, filters, etc).  One prize (a correspondents
course) was worth over $800.
 
Get there early, there were over 300 people at this seminar, you
want to be close to the screen.  Despite the large crowd, Dewitt talks
like he is talking to three people not three hundred.
 
If you have any specific questions please contact me.
=====================================================================
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out, and
remove all doubt" --Abraham Lincoln (1862)
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Andrew R. Lacher      | Center for Advanced Aviation System Development
m18709@mwvm.mitre.org | The MITRE Corporation
(703) 883-7182        | McLean Virginia 22102
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Subject: Re: Flying TARUM (Rumanian Airlines)
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:09:56 GMT

In article <fraserdt.716249823@unixg.ubc.ca> fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S.  
Fraser) writes:
[safety of Rarum airlines deleted]
> 
> BTW, the 1978 Book of Lists ranks Tarom as the #4 most dangerous airline in  
the
> world, after ALIA (Royal Jordanian), VIASA (Venezuelan) and EgyptAir.

Isn't it a little unfair to quote a 1978 list? That's 14 years ago!. I don't  
know about the others but Viasa, in particular, hasn't had a single accident  
since 1977 (approx). That's better than any medium-to-major US airline. Their  
planes are maintained by KLM in the Netherlands and Viasa has recently been  
acquired by Iberia, thus is now part of a major-airline network.

--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
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From: harrison@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bill Harrison)
Subject: Airline Ticket Needed
Originator: harrison@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: milw
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:54:02 GMT

I need cheap airline tickets, round trip from Milwaukee to Minneapolis.
One way is ok also.  I need one for Oct 28, 1992 and any other times.

I also need a round trip ticket from Milw. to San Francisco.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster)
Subject: address for Delta
Organization: Olsen & Associates, Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:10:16 GMT

I have a complaint I'd like to make to Delta Airlines, but I have no idea
_exactly_ who to write to.  Does anyone have an address?  Or maybe the
name of the president?  Thanks,

			*lindy*
lindy@olsen.ch
From: weiss@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Virgin Airlines
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:23:24 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Sep6.223354.17968@cc.uow.edu.au> jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
>They fly to several east coast US cities including Miami, as well as JFK and 
>Newark. Their fares are not the cheapest but (IMHO) their service is tops.

It should also be noted that they fly from LAX to London as well.
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From: mwagner@next.next.com (Mark Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Bikes on Planes
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:36:33 GMT

> I would like to know if it is possible to take my bike on the plane
> with me (going ovreseas), and if I have to pay more money and how
> much.  I will most likely be traveling on TWA.  In case this is not of
> public interest, you can direct responses to me:

When I went to Paris (some five years ago) with my bicycle it was no 
problem.  Of course I boxed it up pretty nicely to prevent damage.  There
was no extra charge and the bike counted as one piece of baggage.  In
general I don't believe there's usually a charge for bicycles on airlines.

mwagner@next.com
From: HRL@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Philadelphia -> San Francisco Air Ticket.
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:53:04 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

There are only a couple of days left to get this ticket for
a male passenger for $100.00 oneway to San Francisco from
Philadelphia.  Contact Howard at 814 238 3545 in the evenings
EST or use e-mail.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Subject: Re: Continental (was: Airlines to Fly ***Please Read***)
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:24:25 GMT

In article <vnrao.716239366@teja.cs.ucf.edu> vnrao@teja.cs.ucf.edu (Nageshwara Rao Vempaty) writes:
>cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>> marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger) writes:
>
>>> Continental should be forced out of business
>>[lots of contintal bashing]

Remeber...I bashed contential, but I didn't say they should be 
forced out of business.

>  I was warned about bad service, but surprisingly, I found it was 
>excellent.  It was a big improvement over what I saw in the past several 

It has only been a few months and I am sure the next time I get stuck
in ABQ after 6pm I will fly their empty 7pm flight (yes....it is a
reposition, to me it should end up with a deciently full flight where
it is supposed to end or someone isn't doing their job right. Ok...so
it has saved me an extra night in ABQ a couple of times, but I hate to
see business waste).

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Western Region Systems Engineer			1942 Broadway Suite 213
marke@ultra.com					Boulder, CO 80302
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: cheap ticket wanted
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 92 17:46:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I suspect the Taipei - Cairo segment is adding to the price. My
suggestion would be to look for a routing of:

Seattle - Taipei - Bangkok - Taipei - Seattle via Thai
(should be about a $1000)

and then look for a separate ticket for

Bankok - Cairo - Bangkok on Egypt air.

I cant believe Egyptair is expensive. You will probably need to
have a friend get you a ticke in Bangkok through a consolidator.
Or if you son can stay a few days in Bangkok, he can look them
up himself.

Best.

Hassan
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Subject: Re: seating prefs
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 16:35:58 GMT

>they hang out near the galleys ... which are sometimes in the middle
>of the coach cabin.  

True mostly on the bigger plans (DC-10 for example). I rarely get on
those so forgot that the galley isn't at the back of the plane.

Marke
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Marke Clinger					Ultra Network Technologies
Western Region Systems Engineer			1942 Broadway Suite 213
marke@ultra.com					Boulder, CO 80302
From: M18709@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Ooops
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:02:42 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

Ignore my previous post.  I posted to the wrong group.  Sorry for the extra
bandwidth.........
From: evan@irss.uucp (Evan H. Ng)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Frequent Flyers
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:04:31 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep2.053646.10582@iti.gov.sg> jamesmit@iti.gov.sg (James Mitchell) writes:
>for travel between Australia, Japan and the US I would suggest joining
>the QANTAS FF programme.  After x km you get free flights etc.  I am a
>member and they tend to treat you a little better than the average
>passenger.  Now my luggage goes first class, pity I'm still back in the
>dog box.
>
>I am not too sure whether QF flies from Japan to the US.
>
>James
>
>-- 
>| James Mitchell                   | jamesmit@iti.gov.sg       |
>| Information Technology Institute | jamesmit@itivax.bitnet    |
>| National Computer Board          |                           |
>| Singapore                        |  "I hate Quotes" - Anon   |


They go to Los Angeles, I think through Honolulu.

If you haven't already, try SQ (They go to SFO, LAX, and JFK).


-evan
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:33:41 GMT
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In article <1992Sep9.135711.24464@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Ce
dillo) writes:

>Please try to fly the small bankrupt airlines.  It will help them to pull out
>of chapter 11.  There are a couple or reasons to do this, and they far
>outweigh any negative effects in my opinion.

Ok. I am all for competition. Look at the prices out of Denver...we could
use some more competition in this city.

>I know that the smaller bankrupt airlines may not serve great food right now, a
nd
>you may have to make a connecting flight.  But if you can manage to do without
>a nonstop flight and an extra ham sandwich, you may help preserve compition

It is not the food or the non-stop flights that I am concerned with, it
is my life. Obviously a company without money will have a harder time
maintaining their planes. My Continental flight appeared to be doing a
noise reduction trick, but instead was falling straight down shortly
after take off. It is pretty quiet up there when the engines aren't
running.  It fell long enough for me to grab the barf bag and the
strangers hand next to me before the engines kicked in again.  A close
friend was on a Continental plane that had trouble with the flaps
(turned out to be a very serious problem...something about one side
coming up and one side going down and the plan flips upside down...they
went back and got a different plane).

I also have trouble patronizing a business that does stupid things,
like plan a flight from ABQ to DEN at a time when no one really wants
to go so that the flight never has more than 8 people on it. Cool for
the travelers (everyone gets free first class) stupid for the airline
from a business stand point.

And while I am bashing Continental, You don't have to be making a huge
profit to have friendly and courteous employees. Everytime I fly
Continental they treat me like I am the biggest inconvinence in the
world to them and that if I wasn't flying their airline they would be
much happier.

And they could get the baggage in the right place once and a while so I
don't stand around where they tell me for 45 mins waiting only to find
out that 30 mins ago my luggage was locked up as unclaimed baggage at
the other end of baggage claim.

I have flown Continental 8 or so times in the last 8 or so months so
it wasn't once or twice...it was 8 plus times I was treated like an
ant, had mechanical problems, flew on empty planes, etc, etc. I know
two "traveling salesmen" who refuse to step on a C. plane do to their
maintenance record....my life in more important that competition. And
no business has the right to stay in business when they treat their
customers the way Continental does.

Marke                                          

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__________________________________________________________________________
Marke Clinger					Ultra Network Technologies
Western Region Systems Engineer			1942 Broadway Suite 213
marke@ultra.com					Boulder, CO 80302
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: s5udtg@fnma.COM (Doug Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Reply-To: s5udtg@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:17:03 GMT

 
marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger) writes:

>Please remember that maintenance is regulated and supervised by the FAA.  There
>are requirements for safety which all airlines meet.  Some airlines may not
>re-do the interiors of their planes every few years, but while they might not
>look that nice, there isn't anything mechanically wrong with them.
>
>Shortly after the Eastern strike began, and it filed for bankruptcy, many people
>rightly considered it to be one of the safest airlines.  Why ? Because the FAA
>was concerned about their planes' safety and did more spot checks... none of
>their planes crashed as a result of mechanical problems.
>
>I've had mechanical problems on American and United as well.

okay, that brings up an interesting question : Has an airplane from a bankrupt
airline EVER crashed ????

                  
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.forsale,misc.wanted
From: chris@airdata.socal.com (Chris J. Davis)
Subject: FOR SALE - round trip (any route) Delta ticket
Organization: Euroflight Aviation and Computing Corporation, Los Angeles
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:22:57 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I have for sale a round trip ticket on Delta:

    o	valid until May 1993
    o	this ticket is essentially a $352 credit to fly Delta
    o	will cost $25 to change route and travel dates
    o	name on ticket is "Chris", so it is usable by a man or woman

I paid $352, and changes are $25, so it's worth $327 to me if I use it.
My trip (LAX-Tampa-LAX) was canceled, and the ticket is non-refundable.

As a data point, I just called Delta and was told that the lowest fare
on that route is now $452 r/t (14 day advance and a Saturday overnight).

This ticket can be used on ANY Delta route for an equal or lesser fare,
or as a credit toward a more expensive fare.  Make offer if interested.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: tkunnas@phoenix.oulu.fi (Tapani Kunnas)
Subject: Qantas London-Sydney
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:18:22 GMT

I am travelling (from Finland via) London to Sydney (and Auckland)
in March 1993. I am interested in every information about this flight:
where are the interval landings etc. 

Respond to this newsgroup or e-mail tkunnas@phoenix.oulu.fi , please.

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ccd@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Carol C Denehy)
Subject: Re: Frequent Flyers
Organization: None, and I like it like that
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:13:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.180431.6913@njitgw.njit.edu> evan@irss.uucp (Evan H. Ng) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.053646.10582@iti.gov.sg> jamesmit@iti.gov.sg (James Mitchell) writes:
>>for travel between Australia, Japan and the US I would suggest joining
>>the QANTAS FF programme.  After x km you get free flights etc.  I am a
>>member and they tend to treat you a little better than the average
>>passenger.  Now my luggage goes first class, pity I'm still back in the
>>dog box.
>>
>>I am not too sure whether QF flies from Japan to the US.
>>
>>James
>>
>>-- 
>>| James Mitchell                   | jamesmit@iti.gov.sg       |
>>| Information Technology Institute | jamesmit@itivax.bitnet    |
>>| National Computer Board          |                           |
>>| Singapore                        |  "I hate Quotes" - Anon   |
>
>
>They go to Los Angeles, I think through Honolulu.
>
>If you haven't already, try SQ (They go to SFO, LAX, and JFK).
>
Be warned on Qantas freq flyer program that you need A LOT of trips
before you get any free ones. You would have to do a round trip more
than (I think) 3 times in 12 months to get a bonus. It also is not
free; there is fee of $35 or $50. I looked at it and decidied I didn't
do it frequently enough to get a benefit. However, being a member does
entitle you to the Qantas lounge no matter what class you are flying. 
Qantas flights will get you miles in American's FF program but only
with full-fare tickets.

Carol Denehy
From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:21:05 GMT
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In article <1992Sep9.135711.24464@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:

>Please try to fly the small bankrupt airlines.  It will help them to pull out
>of chapter 11.  There are a couple or reasons to do this, and they far
>outweigh any negative effects in my opinion.

Ok. I am all for competition. Look at the prices out of Denver...we could
use some more competition in this city.

>I know that the smaller bankrupt airlines may not serve great food right now, and
>you may have to make a connecting flight.  But if you can manage to do without
>a nonstop flight and an extra ham sandwich, you may help preserve compition

It is not the food or the non-stop flights that I am concerned with, it
is my life. Obviously a company without money will have a harder time
maintaining their planes. My Continental flight appeared to be doing a
noise reduction trick, but instead was falling straight down shortly
after take off. It fell long enough for me to grab the barf bag and the
strangers hand next to me before the engines kicked in again.  A close
friend has trouble with the flaps on his Continental flight.  I also
have trouble patronizing a business that does stupid things, like plan
a flight from ABQ to DEN at a time when no one really wants to go so
that the flight never has more than 8 people on it. Cool for the
travelers (everyone gets free first class) stupid for the airline from
a business stand point.

And while I am bashing Continental, You don't have to be making a huge
profit to have friendly and courteous employees. Everytime I fly
Continental they treat me like I am the biggest inconvinence in the
world to them and that if I wasn't flying their airline they would be
much happier.

And they could get the baggage in the right place once and a while so I
don't stand around where they tell me for 45 mins waiting only to find
out that 30 mins ago my luggage was locked up as unclaimed baggage at
the other end of baggage claim.

I have flown Continental 8 or so times in the last 8 or so months so
it wasn't once or twice...it was 8 plus times I was treated like an
ant, had mechanical problems, flew on empty planes, etc, etc. I know
two "traveling salesmen" who refuse to step on a C. plane do to their
maintenance record....my life in more important that competition. And
no business has the right to stay in business when they treat their
customers the way Continental does.

Marke
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Marke Clinger					Ultra Network Technologies
Western Region Systems Engineer			1942 Broadway Suite 213
marke@ultra.com					Boulder, CO 80302
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pmadden@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Subject: cheap tic from SBN to SLC
Reply-To: pmadden@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:38:56 GMT

Who knows if this'll work but...
I need to get from South Bend IN to Salt Lake City UT from Oct 16
to Oct 23.  Any ideas, suggestions for cheap tickets?  Any credit 
cards have deals like that?
Thanks

Pat Madden
pmadden@grumpy.helios.nd.edu
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: How to get to OAK from downtown SF?
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:23:53 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Distribution: na
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <1992Sep13.214222.22720@unixg.ubc.ca> swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood) writes:
>Looking for inexpensive public transport or airport bus to go from
>downtown SF to OAK on a Saturday afternoon.  How long will it take?
>Can I use BART?

Yes.  There's an 'Air BART' bus that runs from (I  think) the Coliseum
stop to the airport.  
			reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cali@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (cali )
Subject: Tokyo (Narita Airport) to Kyoto -- By Train (Shinkansen)?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:31:11 GMT

Looked it up in the FAQ but didn't find any answer.

I'll arrive at Japan at the Narita Airport in (i.e., near) Tokyo, and
then go to Kyoto (No, I can't fly into Osaka, for various reasons).

I understand that I can take Shinkansen (the "bullet train") from Tokyo
to Kyoto (320 miles within 3 hours), which is said to be a better choice
than flying between the two cities.  But I'm not sure whether Shinkansen
serves the Narita Airport.

Would someone out there tell me about the better ways of getting to
Kyoto from Narita?

Thank you.

-- cali

P.S.:  Didn't find a travel.train group. :-)