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From: NTH, Dep. Inorganic Chemistry,7034,Trondheim,Norway (Ramin G. Shamsili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Haji's KABOB KOBIDE
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:31:31 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan11.214856.29266@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
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    [Juicy stuff deleted for brevity]

After almost two months being absent from the soc.culture.iranian.classes,I 
finally made it back from the hospital,looked at the interesting articles
which my wife had saved for me, and the latest articles. It seems that 2.
episode of+smortaz+s ET story will not come up soon unless he gets the kabAb 
from HAji!!
Well, here are some suggestions to make your kabAb more tasty!

* My grand father used to wrap a +Nakh+(thin thread) around the kabAb, as he
usually make it juicy ( owing to BOTH high fat content AND a loooot of onion!).The 
thread will therefore keep the gooosht from falling apart( thusmaking you angry 
and desperate).

* Another suggestion is to add a little bit of mint (na-anA), red pepper
and somagh (yes prior to grilling). As an experimentalist chemist I have 
synthesized! kabAb with the mentioned additives ( No thats not the reason I
was in the hospital for 2 months!!!!) and I say : Do it, I guarantee the results
, within some uncertainty of course.

* I understand that HAji+s recipe is for Koobideh, right? What if you fancy
one sikh of koobideh plus one sikh of barg, ha? Well. for kabAbeh barg the 
most important thing is to lay the meat pieces in a mixture of onion + salt 
+ pepper + 40-50 ml. of yogurt in 2-3 hours. Then grill it! 

* For those of you who question my competence in the field of kabAb I can 
refer to an article I wrote some years ago ( Shamsili et.al,+KebAbi techniques 
and methodology of making kebAb+, 1979, Tehran,SoltAni publications; this was 
sold at all the book shops Djoloyeh dAneshgAh)!
  
( By the way, keBab is best after some hours of skiing in the mountains and 
woods; All the ahAli are invited (to Norway) for skiing + kebAb + tea !!)


 ramin...
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:13:17 EST
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject:    I don't know anymore


     I used to think we are a great nation. I used to believe in Iranian way
     of life and Iranian value system. I used to believe that educated Iranians
     have added so much to our culture and are having an impact on the negative
     aspects of our culture. I used to think people should be judged based on
     who they are and what they are about regardless of race, color ... you
     you know the rest... I used to hold dearly the idea that we "the great
     nation of Iran with 2 zillion years of civilization" are void of basic
     faults. I used to think that Iranians who've spent a life time abroad,
     who have the IQ to distinguish between shit and shazma, have selected the
     best of both worlds.  But, I am sorry to report on my latest findings...

     I am coming to the realization that civilization and culture are invesrly
     proportional. I am sorry to say that a great number of us, having spent a
     great deal of time in a so called civilized culture, having had to
     misfortune of being discriminated against, having had the opportunity of
     hoding the so called "basic freedom", having had the chance to reach our
     ultimate personal, social, ....goal, are still suffereing from what may
     have led us to come to this land. I am sorry to say I still see prejudice,
     envy, dark-heartdness, ... in a large number of us. I am sorry to say that
     I am simply disappointed in what many of us have accomplished and yet not
     accomplished. I am just too sorry to continue putting ourselves down.

RezA
From: >>>>>> Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: This is discusting and unbeliveable. [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:42:57 GMT
Organization: Notgheh MajjAni, Inc.
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People:

Last night(Sunday Night) I saw somthing on TV that even for me, who have 
witnessed many such incidence as a child, was unbeliveable. PBS was 
broadcasting a documenty from a trip to China. Through the china they got to 
a place near the border of Afghanestan and Pakistan. The village was 90%
Moslems with pakistani origin. In one scene the film showed Friday Prayer in 
a mosque with about 2000 prayers mostly old people. Here is the interesting
part:
When prayers left mosque, there were a line of women in islamic dress waiting
for them outside the mosque with tea pots and cups and cooking pots. Each
prayer spit into the pots and the program was saying that they believe
the "PRAYERS SPIT IS HOLY AND THEY COOK SOUP AND TEA FOR THEIR FAMILIES 
WITH THE SPIT ON IT SO THE FAMILY GET BLASSED". As I said, as a child
I had seen many instances where the Akhond Mahal spit on new YEK Riali and 
give it to people for balssing, or handed out his hand for people to kiss it,
but this one was hair raising. I only tranfered what I saw and heard. If
you don't belive it call PBS and asked them for the program I belive
"People and Places" about china. I can send you the exact name of the
program as soon as I get home and look at the local TV guide. But again,
this is another part of western propaganda against the great nation of
Islam.
 
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
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Subject: words from shAh-nAmeh [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:17:00 GMT
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In article <1993Jan7.175756.22086@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>, Zamie Mehraz
in response to Behzad Sadeghi writes:

>Aghayeh Bahzad Khan:
>
>I don't know what to say about what you said!  If you may want to...

	[ the rest of the article deleted ]

Zmaie, I appreciate your effort. I enjoyed going through your "mini vAzheh
nAmeh", even though none of those words was new to me. Once I checked the 
list of baby-names at Tehran.Stanford and I noticed that most names did
not have their meanings in front of them. (Also the list of female names
was much shorter than the list of male names, perhaps due to the limited
number of flowers!). Do you have the time and access to resources to find
the meaning of those names and complete Nooshin's list, which is a nice
one?

Few months after the rev... when I was a junior at National University
Highscool of Iran ( woops! my identity!), our Modern Mathematics teacher,
MortezA Makie NezhAd whom Hadaf Highschool alumni may remember, was talking
about this issue. He was totally against Persian names. His reasoning was
that Persian names like Afshin, etc were meaningless and Arabic names like
ZahrA were beautiful and "bA mosammA". Now, how names like zahrA and
Sakeeneh can be "bA mosamma" and "delneshin" is beyound me. My response to 
him was: if we don't know the meaning of something, doesn't mean that it is
meaningless.

Anyways, you can start with your name. Is it Persian?

ShahrAm

P.S.     gol oomad, bahAr oomad, meeram be sahrA
         to boro, man meemoonam khooneh bA zahrA




 
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From: lizann@netcom.com (Liz Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Lotfan! 4.0 Iranian College Student Told to Leave School!!! [sci-poster]
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:02:48 GMT
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Please Post to soc.culture.iranian - I am NOT anonymous I am myself - Merci!!


First of all, many thanks to viewers of this plea.  I may not
be even close to a proper avenue of information, however, I am
not too shy to ask anyone for advice  - here is our problem.

My "adopted" chosen Iranian family here is faced with possible
tragic circumstances - Our nephew, Ali has just completed his 1st
full year of college in So. CA at Univ. of LaVerne and both of
these semesters he not only achieved 4.0 GPA but is THE TOP
student in the institution.  He studies to become a specialist
Ph.D. doctor and by all means should continue this path.

Okay - yes, the problem is tuition - due to Ghamgosarnia family
changes within the past year - business - a marriage here, a baby
there, a passing away of their Father in Tehran, pedarsags running
around everywhere, Ali's original source of tuition has announced
itself unavailable.  Today, Mehrdad, (Uncle Ghamgosarnia to Nephew
Ali Ghamgosarnia) is meeting with the Univ.of LaVerne persons in
the institution's academic, registration department, whatever its
called - in addition to "ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE NOW!" department.

Ali is Tehran born & grammer school? -> boarding school Europe with
consistent HIGH GPA - green carded now at ULAVERNE and I think they
should give him a scholarship - QUESTION - What if anything can
a foreign student do in such a situation? - He just got there 6
days ago after holiday time off and like only 1 day past due date
of tuition and he gets a letter telling him they have no place for
him there - regrettably so because he is the #1 student they have.

He did internship part time work last summer at Stanford Univ. Med.
Ctr. and acquired a freebie HP PC - that I helped him fire up for
use at school - and I almost got email to him but - it seems that
ULAVERNE is in pending state of internet address, so that hasn't
worked yet - but GEE WHIZ - here's a REAL STUDENT folks - not a
rich kid going to college for the social aspect of it all......

Well - this has been long enough - I take the "columbo" approach
to this sort of thing - and no microscopic-like teensy tidbit of 
information is cast to the side - Thank YOU very much for your
time and attention - I will peruse the FTP source of info at
Tehran Stanford - and become more educated in the very least.

Any replies are appreciated - Sincerelym

Lizann & all the Ghamgosarnia family!!

lizann@netcom.com
 
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From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Anybody at HP?
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:46:57 GMT

I am anxious to speak with anyone who works at Hewlett Packard Company
in Palo Alto. Please contact me at my address below.

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy)
Newsgroups: isu.cc.vincent,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Top Worldwide Poster "az khodemooneh" :-)
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:11:52 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <sehari.726899917@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

>Second, my network parallel processing experiment, which you call "stupid
>little stunt", was meant to make it possible to communicate with most
>net users.

Since you call this an experiment, may we know what results you were
expecting to get/ did get?
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From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: India To Let Supreme Court Rule On Disputed Holy Site
Followup-To: poster
Originator: sehari@bart.ecss.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:48:44 GMT

12/28 (DJ) India To Let Supreme Court Rule On Disputed Holy Site

    NEW DELHI -AP- The government angered Hindus and Muslims alike today
with a decision to let the Supreme Court rule on who should get the
disputed holy site where Hindu militants tore down a mosque.
    Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao's cabinet decided yesterday to
build a temple and a mosque near the site in the northern town of
Ayodhya, and to let the high court decide which should be allocated the
holy ground.
    ''We are shocked and surprised by the decision,'' said Syed
Shahabuddin of the Babri Masjid Coordination Committee, Muslim groups
involved in the case.
    Shahabuddin said the plan violated Rao's earlier promise to rebuild
the Babri Masjid mosque, and mooted 70 pending court cases concerning
the issue.
    Hindu zealots tore down the Babri mosque on Dec. 6, setting off
nationwide Hindu-Muslim riots in which more than 1,200 people were
killed.
    10:47 AM
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which have privilege of transmitting news on the news wires.  So what
follows, might or might not be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth.  Then again, it might be.  Here, I do not claim either.
I just would like to share with you, the articles that has been collected
on the news wires.

Make your own judgment regarding it's truth or falsehood.  If you believe
that a story does not make sense to you, please share your concerns with
others in the net, by posting them.

Thank you, for your informed readings.

                    With highest regards,
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From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Persain calender year
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:16:24 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1993Jan8.214704.25905@slcs.slb.com> mehdizadeh@asl.slb.com writes:

> Salam Dostan:

> I was wondering if any one out their knows what the Persian Calender is
> based upon?  In other words what happened 1372 years ago?

Mohammad (the Prophet) left Makka for Madina on his historical journey
which proved a turning point in the history of Islam

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: s5ubxh@fnma.COM (Behrooz Hadavi)
Subject: Re: The Persain calender year
Reply-To: s5ubxh@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:29:19 GMT

I agree with Naraghi.  The length of solar year is 365 plus a fraction of the day.
The current calendar is refered to as "Jalali calendar" after the ruler who
commissioned the calculation of the calendar by, I believe, Khayyam.  The first
year of the calendar coincides with Prophet Muhammad's trip from Mecca to Medinah.
You could look at this calendar as another example of the compromise the Iranians
have generally made between Islamic and non-Islamic socio-political and cultural
heritage.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz)
Subject: Re: SCI Poster information [sci-poster]
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:34:23 GMT

Thank you so much. This is a very good information and please do this more 
often.

May be I should give you a free CHelokabab!!.

Haji
From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Test [sci-poster]
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:54:40 GMT
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This is a test (NOT of the emergency broadcast system!)
  
 - Farzin
            
 
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From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Iraqi Bio-Weapons Memo -2-: UN Group Found Only 'Signs'
Followup-To: poster
Originator: sehari@bart.ecss.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:03:30 GMT

12/31 (DJ) Iraqi Bio-Weapons Memo -2-: UN Group Found Only 'Signs'

    The U.N. Special Commission dismantling Iraq's programs to develop
weapons of mass destruction said it has found only signs that Baghdad
was conducting laboratory experiments with biological weapons.
    The memo says it is from a commander in Erbil, northern Iraq, to
divisions in ''control of bio-chemical'' weapons, directing them to take
an inventory and report back to headquarters by Aug. 6, 1986. The exact
types of weapons are not specified.
    Middle East Watch's Whitley said he received a copy of the document
in November from the Kurdish Democratic Party, one of the two major
Kurdish parties ruling Kurd territory in northern Iraq.
    Whitley said his organization wrote this week to chairman Rolf Ekeus
of the U.N. Special Commission, asking the commission to ''disclose what
it has because it is highly pertinent to the case we are trying to build
of Iraqi genocide.''
    ''We believe that the existence of biological weapons, plus the
known use of chemical weapons, suggests that what the Iraqis were
engaged in from the war front with Iran amounted to mass and
indiscriminate killing of civilians and thus potentially genocide,''
Whitley said.
    Iraq used chemical weapons against neighboring Iran in their 1980-88
war.
    In July 1988, Iraqi forces used chemical weapons against Iraqi Kurds
who helped Iran capture Halabja, sending 100,000 Iraqi Kurds fleeing to
Turkey.
    Iraq was among the 107 nations that signed the 1948 convention,
which defines genocide as a campaign ''to destroy, in whole or in part,
a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.''
     6:12 PM
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follows, might or might not be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth.  Then again, it might be.  Here, I do not claim either.
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on the news wires.

Make your own judgment regarding it's truth or falsehood.  If you believe
that a story does not make sense to you, please share your concerns with
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                    With highest regards,
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From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: I don't know anymore
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:41:53 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


> i know that there are a large number of iranians who have the same problem
> when dealing with iranians.
> 
> what seems to be the problem?
> 
>>RezA
> 
> Ala
========================================================================
Dear Ali and Reza,


I want to add to the disappointing remarks of our friends. The reason behind
the difficulty of communications between iranians abroad as far as I have
been able to consider is due to the diversity of the cultures in Iran.
I would like to challenge anybody else that claims that Iran is made
of one culture. Look at the boundaries of Iran and you can find that Iran's
borders are in a way a cut off line between the cultures of vast area and many
people living across those borders in those regions. This means that at 
every corner of iran you are bound to find different cultures and different
attitiudes. We can not weigh the fact that Truk people in the North West of Iran
are the same as the people from the Balooch people in the South East of Iran.
This kind of diversity has caused many different culturals attitudes that 
claiming a name Iranian for all the people of iran is just a terminology
and nothing else. Iran is a country of various cultures with many diverse
races trying to live under the same flag. With in Iran it would have
been very rare to see a person from South East of Iran (Balooch) living 
in the North West (Turk) just becasue the whole culture was different.
It was only in the recent years that people could afford to travel and
get to see the different regions of iran and find out what iranian means.
Now the revolution has happened and millions of iranians escaped the country.
Unfortunately, the revolution effected the whole country and not a certain
region and that caused the people from all regions of iran to escape the
brutal regime. We all came out of iran and since we became minority all
of the sudden we started to look at each other as iranian and started
to develop relationship since we thought we are sharing the same background.
But it is not true and that is why we see the very rough edges between
iranian abroad as the result of these new friendships. I myself for
once never had imagined to have my best friend from Shiraz simply because
if I were still in Iran I would have never left Karadge to go and live
Shiraz but all of the sudden I am in a corner of the globe where due
to the ncessacity of environment I have friendships with people
from Shiraz. This can be the case for all of us around the world.
Now this should not be disppointing for us if we can not figure each other
out. If we accept the fact the Iran is made up of many cultures and everybody
is entitled to be the way s/he wants to be then we can freely open our
hearts and see everybody as iranian and be proud of our diverse culture
and not disappointed.

Saeid
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