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From: georget@spider.co.uk (George Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: A question to Norway about Shetland Is.
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:12:03 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

In article <kjell-201192155216@g0-mac2.ekti.chalmers.se> kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon) writes:
>
>Hello Norwegian brotherhod!
>
>Here's a subject about the Shetland Islands in the North Sea.
>Those islands have for the last 500 years been ruled by the Union Jack.
>But before that they have been owned by Norway for more than 700 years.

I thought I'd just throw this little bit in to make the story look more
complete.

The Shetland Islands were sold to the Scots. I cann't remember which Scot's
king, but one of them bought the island from the Danish Crown.
I'm not too hot on your history but wasn't Norway/Denmark a single Kingdom
at one time? Maybe that's how they got the Norway connection.

The "Union Jack" got it's claws on the island, when it "bought" Scotland.


>There are people living on the islands today claiming that they either want
>to be free, 

So does the rest of this country (I'm talking as a Scot!).
It could be they're just reflecting the views of the rest of the us.
We're sick of having a London based government and no local power.

George


PS
> or ruled by Norway again.
I doubt if Norway could get the Shetlands from the UK.
....there's a lot of oil around the Shetland Islands.
;-)

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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik O"stman)
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:45:50 GMT

Tomas Lundstrom writes:
>Dan Kiselman writes:

>> The problem, of course, is how to decide what these rights are. I'm afraid that
>> this will always be decided by some majority
>So, if a majority in society wants restrictions, simply because that they don't
>want to pay the price, I don't see the absolute evil in that.

The problem in Sweden is of course that the only majorities that want
to restrict alcohol is the majority in the Parliament and maybe a
majority of physicians. This goes to show that we base our voting
decisions on other issues. It also shows that the implemented,
representative democracy should be very humble when it comes to
claiming "majority" decisions.

> In a fully capitalist society, where you pay for
>everything with your private insurance, I think it'd bee *very* wise to join
>a "tee-totaller" Insurance company...

What's so evil about being *very* wise? I can easily imagine other
insurance policies that for example don't pay for things you do when
you're drunk. Sounds to me like a much better way to control drinking
than this oozy combination of socialist planned economy and old
lutheran moralism that we're using now.

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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: The Finns of Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:56:31 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <hberg.212@polisci.umn.edu>, hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob
Hammarberg) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov6.100218.22213@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> 
> >the Forest-Finns of Warmland whose genocide was complited 1960's
> >by the Swedish administration.
> 
> Was this the Final Solution to the Finnish Problem?  How did they do it?  
> With traps baited with Koskenkorva?  Poisoned puukkos, so that when it came 
> to "inte sk{ra, bara rispa" they poisoned eachother?  I can't wait for the 
> details....

...maybe they wanted to become Swedes :-). Actually I do think this 
is the answer to Jarmo's assumption of genocide.

Kent
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From: sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Moms on top of import duty
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:48:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory



Here's a boring question:

I'm about to send my water-ski-boat to Sweden. I've just been told by the
shipper that I may have to pay Moms on the shipment, on top of the import
duty ! 

This is a used boat (5years +) so an additional 25% of Moms seems somewhat
excessive. I know, I should be happy to have the privilege of paying for
the upkeep of my homeland, but 25% ?!

Does anyone know which institution I should contact to get the real story
about my Moms obligation ?

I told you it was a boring question - sorry about that.


Tack p} f|rhand.

-Sven
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:17:45 GMT

In article <pelle.721684808@snakemail.hut.fi> timo.pelkonen@hut.fi writes:
>
>didn't they swich ob. swedish to ob. english this fall? if so the whole
>thread seems to be outdated. pv: ob english is as well a bad solution.

What do you want then? Chinese? Or Spanish? Those two being the only
languages I know of which are spoken by more people than English -
English is still the most widespread as far as I know. I'd guess that
a combination English/French will take you quite far.

Being the only resident s.c.n-ian, whose physical residence is 
Switzerland, I feel obliged to make a few comments on the following
paragraph.

>[...]
>pv: most kantons in switzerland belong to switzerland.

That is a way of putting it. I myself would prefer - and I think that
would be the case for the Swiss, too - to say that *all* Swiss cantons
belong to Switzerland.

>                                                       it is still
>quite easy to find people who do not speak german/frenc/italian even
>if they all are the official languages of the country.

Well, in that case the Swiss school system has failed miserably. It
is a defined goal of said system - and its governing political organs -
that *all* pupils receive instruction in *at least* one further official
language than their mother tongue. Theoretically, all Swiss citizens
should have at least one language in common. Some people might not want to
use it, or do not have a need for it, or let the language skills otherwise
atrophy, but that is something else and their own fault.

>                                                       different language
>seems not to be important issue concerning co-operation.

I quite simply don't know what to say to this. Off hand, without thinking
much about it, I can find the first dozen contradictions to this statement.
I think a fair summary of the case is:

	Different language skills (in Switzerland) is one of the most
	(if not the most) important issues of co-operation.

The ETHZ - the technical university of Zuerich - is in the German speaking
part of the country. It is perfectly OK for a professor to lecture in
French. The students are quite simply expected to understand it. And it
happens. The military has cross-lingual units. You want to speak to a
company in the Romandie? Be prepared to speak French. Want to talk to a
Ticinese? He'll most probably know German, but he is sure to appreciate it,
if you try Italian, too. If you are a Ticinese and you want to go to the 
university? Better make sure that your French or German is up to par.

And the list goes on ...

Greetings,
--Mike

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Institut fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen  /  Inst. of Scientific Computation
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Tasa-arvopuheet ovat osoittautuneet korulauseiksi
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:35:40 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov20.064033.14714@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Den sista delen p} svenska av Vesa Mikkonen i Ruotsinsuomalainen:

  Some background please. For all we know Vesa Mikkonen might be the local
equivalent of David Duke and Ruotsinsuomalainen of 'Storm'.

  If they arn't I'm sure you will englighten us.

>Translated by,

  Additionally I still ask Jarmo Ryyti to write to talk.politics.middle-east 
and soc.culture.jewish and ask them if they agree that Sweden is as bad as the
Nazis.

>Jarmo Ryyti

-bertil-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (mats dahlgren)
Subject: Re: Moms on top of import duty
Reply-To: matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:19:43 GMT

In article <sgrenander-161192165105@mac4.jpl.nasa.gov>, sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander) writes:
>
>
>Here's a boring question:

Yes, Swedish taxes *are* boring......
>
>I'm about to send my water-ski-boat to Sweden. I've just been told by the
>shipper that I may have to pay Moms on the shipment, on top of the import
>duty ! 
>
>This is a used boat (5years +) so an additional 25% of Moms seems somewhat
>excessive. I know, I should be happy to have the privilege of paying for
>the upkeep of my homeland, but 25% ?!
>
As far as I am informed, you don't have to pay "moms" on used items 
which cannot be used in commercial ways.  Used *private* boats 
should not be taxed with moms, according to my interpretation of 
this.

>Does anyone know which institution I should contact to get the real story
>about my Moms obligation ?
>
Yes, try:                     or:

      Riksskatteverket           Skattemyndigheten i Stockholms L{n
      S-171 94 Solna             S-106 61 Stockholm
      Sweden                     Sweden
      Fax: +46-8-28 03 32        Fax: +46-8-640 72 46

>I told you it was a boring question - sorry about that.
>
..and such a boring answer....

mats d.

mats dahlgren                              *   "Jag finns bara sporadiskt   *
Dept. of Physical Chemistry                *        men med relativt        *
The Royal Institute of Technology          *         stor spridning"        *
S-100 44  Stockholm, Sweden                *          -Gina Jacobi          *

  <matsd@physchem.kth.se>    Ph: +46 8 790 8595    Fx: +46 8 790 8207     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Subject: Re: Help with homebrew translation
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:51:54 GMT

Thanks for sharing your recipe!

I had been afraid that the grain would be entirely Rye malt
(which I had heard was used extensively in Finland but is, as
far as I know, unavailable in Canada - could try malting the
rye myself I suppose - or mashing unmalted rye with the barley
malt - hmmmm).

As I read your recipe, it appears to more or less parallel
standard all grain brewing procedures, except that you don't
boil the hops in the brew, but pour the brew through the hops
(and juniper twigs).  This would extract the wonderful hop flavour
and aroma without much of the bitterness.  Unless some bitterness
is contributed by the juniper twigs, I would expect your sahti
to be more aromatic/spicy than bitter (correct?).

One thing, after you collect and boil the first runnings, you
say that you pour it onto the filter once more (with hops).
Does the filter still have the juniper twigs on it?  Are the
grains still on it?  Do you just put the hops on top and then pour
your brew through it?  Is the malt crushed or is it whole
grains?

It sounds like we might have an analagous brew here in North
America called Spruce beer, made with new sprouts of spruce
branches.  I've never tasted it though.

Have to start scouring the countryside for juniper bushes I guess ;).

Cheers,
Rick C.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Tasa-arvopuheet ovat osoittautuneet korulauseiksi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:46:20 GMT

Bertil Jonell (d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov20.064033.14714@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: >Den sista delen p} svenska av Vesa Mikkonen i Ruotsinsuomalainen:
: 
:   Some background please. For all we know Vesa Mikkonen might be the local
: equivalent of David Duke and Ruotsinsuomalainen of 'Storm'.
: 
:   If they arn't I'm sure you will englighten us.
: 
: >Translated by,
: 
:   Additionally I still ask Jarmo Ryyti to write to talk.politics.middle-east 
: and soc.culture.jewish and ask them if they agree that Sweden is as bad as the
: Nazis.

Well you are on the point, During the Congress of Security and Cooperation
of Europe, 1992, in Helsinki,
the only demonstrators there were indeed the Kurds of Turkey and a Finn
of Sweden! Sweden really is in an interesting company in that sence. You turned
the post really to the right news.group. Makes me laugh!!!
Thanks. You saved my day!
Jarmo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: Norway & Russia (was Re: Aaland and Finnish Independence)
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:39:07 GMT

In article <BxK47r.8EL@nic.umass.edu> eeinhorn@titan.ucc.umass.edu (ERIC EINHORN) writes:

>     Russia and the Soviet Union have always recognized Norwegian sovereignty
>over the region.  After WWII there was some debate about the status of Svalbard
>and Bjoernoeya, but the legal situation of those islands has always been some-
>what murky.  The same remains true of the continental shelf north of Finnmark.
>The only political competition was with Finland that was Norway's only neighbor
>in the region between 1918 and 1941.  

However, was it not the case that after the Norwegian capitulation in '40, 
the commander on the Norwegian army asked that the Germans quickly occupy 
Kirkenes & environs, before the Russians had a chance to move in?  Whether 
the Russians had any plans to that effect is not known (at least I don't 
know of any), but the Norwegians (perhaps with the "Polish solution" in 
mind) clearly preferred German occupation to partition.  Or less charitably: 
they preferred the Germans to the Russians.  

Has Norwegian history come to terms with the occupation and its aftermath?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Morbus ryyti
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:25:03 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <hberg.221@polisci.umn.edu>, hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob
Hammarberg) wrote:
> 1.  The sycophant (m. ryyti syc.):  At an Independence Day (6 Dec) 
> reception in the home of a haut bourgois finlandswedish family in 
> Helsingfors, I met a female Finn who, in Swedish, gushed that "det {r s} 
> fint att vara svensk" (= it is so "fint" to be Swedish; "fint folk" refers 
> to a "better" kind of people; there's no good English word that would 
> capture all the nuances here).  She also turned out to be a racist.
> 
> 2.  The victim (m. ryyti vic.):  At a dance at K}ren in ]bo, a friend and I 
> were walking down a hallway when we met a drunk being escorted out by two 
> orderlies.  The drunk tore himself loose and hit my friend in the face.  
> Upon being restrained, the drunk complained (in Finnish-accented Swedish)
>  that he was being oppressed because he had a Finnish name.  It should be 
> pointed out that he had not introduced himself to anyone, so we didn't know 
> his name.  Furthermore, my friend who was hit, was named Lehtinen (a 
> Finnish name if there ever was one!).

De ja vu, I've seen similar types (1 and 2) in Australia and over here
in US. People are people; it's amuzing to realize how similar people
are even if they try to make themselves different.

Kent
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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:26:51 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1ebb60INN5ue@uwm.edu>, pkokkone@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pellervo
Kokkonen) wrote:
> 
> 	Mr. Ryyti still fails to provide a compelling reason why
> 	Finnish speaking people should be priviledged over other
> 	minorities in Sweden. My interpretation is that Mr. Ryyti
> 	is a Finnish nationalist (very extreme one).
> 
> 	Regarding the "evidence" he is providing, I think that kind
> 	of facts would be available about any country in the world.
> 	How about Finland's record discriminating against the gypsies
> 	and Saamis.

I wonder if Mr. Ryyti would also push for Saami to become a
third official language in Finland. Remember that both Finns
and Swedes chased this native group up far to the north when
they both conquered Finland. BTW, there are many place names
that still are originated from Saami names.

If we are *really* speaking about a possible genocide, the
way Finns (and Swedes) did with the Saamis 2000 years ago
is a case where the word could be used. To use the word
genocide concerning Finnish immigrants living in Sweden is
an insult concerning real genocide events.


Kent
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From: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com (Chad Leigh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: International Language Education (WAS: Pakkoruotsi...)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:07:44 GMT
Reply-To: chad@ithil.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Munich Germany


--
re: knocking US education system

I get tired of all this knocking US education, and
how inferior it is.  I went through US schools and
know where Finland is, as well as major historical
events in the world.  I've also met people in Germany
and from Scandinavia who were ignorant about many things
I learned in school.  The point is that often the level 
of education reached by a person is based on his/her own
level of desire to learn, not on the system.  Also, there
is no "US system."  Each school system is governed by the
local authorities, under state laws (not federal).  Therefore
it is difficult to draw conclusions about the whole US,
as the foundations are different in each area.

-----------------------------------------------
Chad Leigh
Digital Equipment GmbH
Munich, Germany
Originally from Pepperell, MA, USA
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fyu@.com (Francis Yu)
Subject: Looking for Hans Martin Henningsson (spelling?) in Sweden
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:00:32 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

He studied Chinese in Fudan University from 1985 to 1986, and then
probably went to study Computer Science in Goterburg University.  Any
information is appreciated.
Francis H. Yu
Oracle Corporation, 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659504, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Email:  fyu@shanghai.oracle.com  Voice:  (415) 506-3129  FAX:  (415) 506-7103
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: magne@ddm1.ddm.st.statoil.no (Magne Maehre)
Subject: Re: Repost : Looking for addresses
Reply-To: magne@ddm1.ddm.st.statoil.no (Magne Maehre)
Organization: Statoil
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:08:53 GMT

In article <BxyvtF.IzM@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, txl@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Trevor Lyall) writes:
> I'm reposting this message as I'm not sure that it got through last
> time, sorry if it did :-)
> 
> I'm looking for the addresses of the following companies in Sweden : 
> 	Phillips (Stockholm)
> 	Logica
> 	Sun Microsystems (Stockholm)
> 
>  Thanks very much for any help.
> 
> Cheers, Trev.
> --
>
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Prisoner
> e-mail : txl@dcs.ed.ac.uk  (Just in case you missed it in the header!!!!)
>
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SUN Microsystems AB
PO.Box 51
S-16494 Kista         (Phone: +46 8 6239000)

Logica Svenska AB
Solnatorg 19
Stockholm             (Phone: +46 8 7057700)

Can't help you with Phillips..  Sorry

-Magne

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From: tostbye@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Languages in soc.culture.nordic
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:05:30 GMT

In article <hberg.219@polisci.umn.edu>, hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
> In article <nkjrm.27@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:
> 
> 
>>A: Then Sigjold hanes ygram pullerutt.
>>B: Ygram?
>>A: Ygram fjaesam pulle rutt!!
> 
> Pulle rutt!!!! Ha,ha,ha.

Pulle mignan ruttum!!