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From: jkung@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jimmy Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Hoffa?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:04:53 -0600
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
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In article <wyman.726164880@opal8> you write:
[...tons 'o' stuff deleted...]
>Facts?  Seemed to me more of a conspiracy theory movie like JFK.  Where did
>this truck stop in the corn country ending come from?  I never heard that
>one before. 
>
>It was a great movie until the ending.  Why present it as if this is how he
>died?  Nobody knows what happened to him.  He was last seen at the Red Fox
>resturaunt in a Detroit suburb.  Why present this theory on film as if it
>was a fact?  At least JFK stated that its theory was merely a theory.
>
>At least there should have been some note at the end of the movie that
>said nobody knew what happened to him.

The way I looked at Hoffa is not as a documentary, but almost a
play.  The film itself doesn't try to concentrate on details like
JFK (which is good in its own right) but rather tries to create
an image of what Hoffa stood for.

The film doesn't even bother with examining his family, because
the Hoffa we know is all about the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters, and nothing else.

If the media wanted to, they could take this film apart, most of
the details, particularly regarding Hoffa's loaning of the
pension funds to the mob was really misleading by Devito and
David Mamet.

There was a documentary on PBS a month or so ago about Hoffa,
which is totally fascinating, which fairly evaluates the truth of
Jimmy Hoffa, including many interviews of former mobsters.  The
research of that documentary occured over the past 5 years..

If you evaluate Hoffa as a film, I think it is quite a triumph.
The acting by Nicholson is fabulous, and his best work in many
years.  The screenplay by David Mamet (and Devito) is also
wonderful, the dialogue is terrific (what Mamet script doesn't
have that gritty, quick, and smooth dialogue?). Most
importantly in my mind, the direction by Danny Devito is easily
his best work.  The use of overlap dissolves, fluent and gentle
camera movements, and the overall look is incredible.  I
particularly found the use of sound stages perfect for a film of
this type, it continues this decor of a play, even though some
would argue this technique makes the film look like unrealistic,
I contend that the point is not realism, but rather is meant to
be a dramatic scene. If Devito doesn't get at least nominated for
Best Director, then the Academy would be making a big mistake.
(Yet another, in a long line of mistakes)

[Pseudo-Ranting Review Mode OFF]

Although, I agree, "conjuring" an ending like this is quite
unfair to the uneducated viewer.  I would have really enjoyed a
great sweeping panoramic shot of Giants Stadium to end the
film, while the credits rolled...  :)

(Is it me, or is there a recent trend in films to get back to the
early cinema where there are no credits at all until the end?)

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From: dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: New alien box set???
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:56:53 GMT
Organization: Stellar Enterprises
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Is there a new alien box set out. I would like to have copies of the movies
which have all the footage for each restored. And I don't have a laserdisk
player. I just bought a copy of alien3 for $15 (some will think that is way
too much and some will think I got a great buy) and still have a copy of
Alien. I also have a taped copy of Aliens... but am wondering if I can get
the extra footage in a boxed set for VHS now? Anybody know if there is
extra footage for A3...

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From: patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: (Unsolicited) advice against Blockbuster
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:24:43 GMT
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Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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I had a peculiar sort of experience with Blockbuster in Los Angeles
about two years ago. For ages, I had been trying to locate a copy of
James Toback's great movie "Fingers"; every video store I found I
checked, and none of them ever had it. Then, while visiting L.A., I
dropped into Blockbuster and asked the clerk if they had it. To my
surprise, they did. Sensing my enthusiasm, the clerk offered to
order me a copy to purchase. I asked the price, which was fifty bucks,
but had to decline because I'd be back in N. California before it
arrived.

The clerk then conferred with his boss and offered to sell me their
stock copy. Sensing a bargain, I asked how much. Fifty bucks, I was
told. I protested that it was a used copy. The reply was that since
it had only been checked out twice in the last 3 years, it was as
good as new. I rejected their offer. (I recently acquired a copy for
15 bucks from an friend in Sacramento; for those interested, the
company distributing "Fingers" on video has gone bankrupt and their
stock is temporarily in limbo. Siskel & Ebert complained about the
difficulty in locating this film a while back.)

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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: National Society of Film Critics Awards
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:29:55 GMT


Best Picture   UNFORGIVEN
Best Actor     Stephen Rea in THE CRYING GAME
Best Actress   Emma Thompson  HOWARDS END
Best Supporting Actor  Gene Hackman in UNFORGIVEN
   *the runner-up in this category involves a spoiler and surprise from
      THE CRYING GAME!!!   THose who saw the film can guess!!

Best Supporting Actress   Judy Davis  HUSBANDS AND WIVES

BEST Director   Clint Eastwood    UNFORGIVEN
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: commercials (was Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:09:58 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <Jan.11.13.50.50.1993.8719@math.rutgers.edu>  
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) writes:
> This is kind of funny.  I agree that the commercial on most rental  
tapes
> with the dog that pops the tape in the VCR is stupid, and  
unwelcome, but
> there were a few films that had commercials specifically made for  
their
> release.  I think TOP GUN and one of the BACK TO THE FUTURES had  
Pepsi
> commercials specially filmed and included to reduce the selling  
price
> of the tapes.  

The tape for one of the more recent Bond films had a John
Cleese Schwepps commercial involving secret agents at the 
beginning of the tape. Very funny.  I also tend to like
it when the tape has a commercial that is somehow tied to the
film.  (I don't like generic commercials, though.)

Too bad the Wizard of Oz didn't have one of the old Cora
Maxwell House commercials.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

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From: cksvih01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Francais movies
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:33:59 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1ilio2INNa0c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, sgs3@po.CWRU.Edu (Sharon G. Scinicariello) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) says:
> 
> One film that just came out on video is _Uranus_, based on a book by Marcel
> Ayme...

Is this the one with Gerard Depardieu (well, I guess *that* narrows it
down) in a story involving Nazi collaborationists in post-war France?
If so I saw it last year and wonder what others thought of it.  I liked
it well enough, although I thought it was overly cluttered - a lot of things
happen in the film, and some events are given shorter shrift than I thought
they deserved.  Depardieu was good, of course, but I thought he came
uncomfortably close to chewing the scenery on occasion (although his 
character wasn't exactly the shy, retiring type).  The actors who played
the father and daughter were great.  

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From: jwp@aber.ac.uk (J W Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Videos on PAL not avail. in UK
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:03:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1993Jan6.163747.23992@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> ee89tmp%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Martin) writes:
>
>A friend of mine is trying to get hold of the following films on video:
>(must be in PAL format)
>
>	Clockwork Orange (banned in UK)
>--
>Martin Pitwood - martin@specialix.co.uk or ee89tmp@ee.surrey.ac.uk

In fairness to the British Board of Film Classification, it should perhaps
be pointed out that the reason A Clockwork Orange is not available here
either on video or for cinema presentation is that Stanley Kubrick will
not allow it. Exactly why we have been singled out is a mystery, but a London
cinema that showed it last spring is facing possible court action on copyright
infringement. The film is however not "banned" in censorship terms.
                                                      Jeremy Perkins
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From: mcameron@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (melissa joan cameron)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:29:48 GMT

Actually, my peeve is about the lack of competition of movie theatres in my town.  I live in a college town and there are 5 or 6 theatres here, one being cheap ($1.50) and at least 4 others with first run flicks.  Problem is, they are all owned by the same comglomeration, Kerasotes theatres.  It's sort of nice to know that the same movie won't be at two theatres because the company will spread them around, but some of the theatres are nicer than others and it'd be nice sometimes if there were just some opt



ions.  
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the right mouth; 2.  Putting the right words in the wrong mouth; and
3.  Putting the wrong words in the wrong mouth." -- Ralph Keyes
From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movie Buffs  (was Re: Academy Awards)
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:29:45 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1iafeqINNa66@network.ucsd.edu> ivy@chem.ucsd.edu (Ivy Blumberg) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.200530.13182@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>>>On the other hand, I am amongst those you so blithely dismiss as buffs
>>Having seen 103 movies (video not counted) in 1992 I think that I qualify
>>as a "movie buff" (or on my way to be one), and I really can't see what
>
>I was just curious about how many movies some of the rest of you "Buffs"
>watched in a week.  So many posters are incredibly knowledgeable about
>every little movie detail--How do you get the time to watch so much?
>Should we have a contest to see who is the most addicted?

The last couple of years, I've seen about 150 movies in theaters a year.
This year, I've seen a few more than that, though I haven't counted it
up yet.  I'd guess 160-170, the increase largely being due to seeing
21 films in a two week period during the LA Film Festival.  Assuming
an average length of 2 hrs., plus 1 hr. more for driving there, parking,
driving home, etc., that adds up to around 500 hours of my time in a year
spent watching movies.  That's about 20 days, more or less, or just a bit
more than 5% of my total year.  (Not counting, of course, time spent 
reading about movies, watching television programs about movies, watching
videotapes of movies, talking about movies, writing about movies . . .)

It's in the neighborhood of an hour a day.  I'd guess that, for an American, 
that's not an unusual amount of time to spend on a serious hobby.  There are 
people in rec.arts.books who talk of reading 200 books in the past year, and, 
barring speed reading techniques, that would probably take much more of their 
time.  I suspect that if you canvassed opinion in the other rec newsgroups 
about how much time people there spend on their hobbies, an hour a day would 
not be terribly unusual.  For those of us who don't have outrageous commutes,
(or children) we work 8 hrs. a day, sleep 8 hrs. a day, spend perhaps 
two or three hours on meals and various everyday chores, still leaving 5 or 
six hours a day for other activities, not counting weekends and holidays.  
Even someone like me, who has what most would regard as a fairly serious movie 
habit, is only spending a sixth or less of his free time on it.  

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Lenigrad Cowboys Go America
Keywords: strange
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:05:22 GMT

In article <Jan.8.14.37.23.1993.1872@lobster.rutgers.edu> saidel@lobster.rutgers.edu (william Saidel) writes:
>I saw this strange movie titled Leningrad (sorry for mispelling in
>Subject) Cowboys Go America. It is a Finish Movie. Does anyone have a
>clue as to the story about or behind this flic?

It was directed (and, I believe, written) by Aki Kaurismakki, one of the
two Kaurismakki brothers who direct films.  Aki K. is the more highly
regarded of the two, I believe.  He has made quite a few films, with
a great deal of variance in their subjects.  "Leningrad Cowboys" was
one of his weird films.  Another of his films, "The Match Factory
Girl", was runner up as best foreign language film in a couple of recent
U.S. critics polls.  It's a much more naturalistic story of a very plain
working girl who gets pregnant by a slightly glamorous guy who turns out
to be a turd.  (I personally thought it was a depressing bore.)
He's got another film, as yet unreleased in the U.S., called "I Hired a
Hit Man", which is a somewhat conventional telling of the old story about
the terminally ill guy who hires a hit man to kill him, then repents.
I believe he still has a couple of other films from the last few years
that haven't gotten U.S. release.

If you liked "Leningrad Cowboys", you should be aware that Kaurismakki
recently made a new music video featuring them.  I have no idea where
one could hope to see it - is there a music video version of Dr. Demento?

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: wkm1@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (messer,wendy k)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:18:23 GMT
Summary: More Peeves



The biggest peeve ???

Checking the newspapers (more than once), getting the exact movie you
want, the exact time, finding the nicest theatre to see it in.....

And then finding out that "oops, we made a mistake"
THAT movie isn't playing here....We forgot to let the
publications know.....We have THIS movie instead (usually something
you would pay money to stay away from)....


WkM
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From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:21:46 GMT

In article <Jan.8.14.15.12.1993.29765@math.rutgers.edu> bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) writes:
>(Joseph D. Barrus) writes:
>
>
>>In article <1993Jan7.192016.6060@brtph560.bnr.ca> news@brtph560.bnr.ca (Usenet News) writes:
>
>>- people that feel that they have to talk to the screen, like
>>"Don't go near there, you know your gonna get killed"
>
>Like they are at home watching "TV".

IMHO, this is the problem.  With the proliferation of VCRs, the movie
experience has become something that is most frequently experienced at
home, not a theatre.  As a result, people at movie theatres have a tendency
to act more like they are in thier living room than in a theatre.  With the
addition of trailers to videotapes and commercials to movie theatres, albeit
at the beginning and not in the middle of the film, I would guess that this
trend is likely to continue.  At least home video and audio equipment is
reaching a point where it is possible for people to duplicate a lot of the
advantages of a cinema at home...

jim
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From: shong@bucknell.edu (SHER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: NEWSIES
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:34:32 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: world
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I just saw Newsies over the weekend and I loved it!  If you like musicals,
great dance choreography, and original songs, AND a good plot then you will
love this movie.   I didn't get a chance to catch it in the theater because
none of the theaters around me showed it.  I really don't understand why it
flopped in the movie theater!!!!
From: phd69@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R.D. Hayler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Q on A Few Good Men: Poison???
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:19:33 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <2B432CC3.14456@news.service.uci.edu>, by jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley):
> In article <C03pHI.A9o@newsflash.concordia.ca> williaml@cs.concordia.ca (LEE william) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec23.083855.372@news.uwyo.edu> rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:
>>>Something that really bothered me about this film was the "poison"
>>>plot device.  Were these two marines toxicologists or something?
> 
>>Another point I found weak was the justification for Demi Moore in trusting
>>these two marines. 
> 
> This movie really was weak - a major disappointment.  
> Virtually nothing about it made sense. The top performance
> (by a long shot) was by the Texas A&M military drill team.
> One great (though maybe unintentional) metaphor for the
> entire movie - the magazine stand owner and Cruise 
> talking in cliches.  
> 
> John D.

	The ONLY weakness I thought the film had was in the way it made
it all a bit too easy for the viewer - explaining everything as it went
along and basically teeling you plot and motives right away. In
particular, the "flashback" to before the victims death near the beginning,
 when Nicholson is discussing with Sutherland and the other guy (whose
real name I can't remember) the letter sent by Santiago and over-rules
Markinson's decision to have him transfered.     Why bother with this
scene: IMHO it would have been better to find out what happened as the
film developed. OK, it was a useful scene in that it established the three 
characters and their relationship, but this could have been achieved
without presenting a nice guide to the rest of the film.



			Rich.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: It's A Wonderful Like (Was Re: Movies In the Public Domain)
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:59:35 GMT
Organization: .

(David Datta) writes:
>It was written:
>: |> didn't have to pay money for, and, like the Wizard of Oz, it's probably
>: |> more popular now than it was when it first came out.   I forget who
>
>It probably isn't very popular now either, it is just free. Big
>difference. I personally wouldn't mind if it was NEVER broadcast 
>again.

There's also something called ratings, tied in closely to commercial
sales, which is related to profits.  Turner owns quite a few classics.  
You think he shows it umpteen times over the holidays because
he's a _sentimental_ guy?   Not.

The fact that its free has nothing to do with the fact that a lot of
families (like mine) watch it several times over the holidays _AND_ 
also own a copy.

>This piece of trash movie is on an average of 30 times a week around
>christmas around here (and that is not counting cable!). Not being able
>to get cable where I live, I spend a lot of time watching videotapes
>between thanksgiving and christmas.

Yeah, but you must get tired of those Van Damme movies, huh?  ;)

--J.J.
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Closing credits (was: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !)
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:47:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


> ...There are always some people
> who stay through the whole credits.  Enough to get in the way.  And then
> they bitch that you disturbed them while they were trying to see who the
> key grip's best boy's assistant was.
>
>spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)

geez, like there's something WRONG with reading the whole credits??
why the ____ do you show them if you think it's such a bad idea?
your attitude comes across rather poorly in this post . . .

ok
dpm
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From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: How to Succeed in Business...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:22:25 GMT

In article <2B4B60DD.20165@news.service.uci.edu> jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu
(John R. Dooley) writes:
>In article <JBA.93Jan5221412@kix.ai.mit.edu> jba@ai.mit.edu (Jonathan Amsterda
m) writes:
>>Last night I saw the wonderful film version of Frank Loesser's _How to
>>Succeed in Business without Really Trying_.  It's well-paced and funny,
>>and Robert Morse is absolutely delightful.  I have a few questions about
>>it:
>
>100% agree.
>>1. It seemed to be a little scant on music.  How many songs were cut from
>>   the original show?
>
>The songs cut from the play were:
>Happy to Keep His Dinner Warm (sung by Rosemary and the Women's Chorus)
>Coffee Break (sung by many members of the Cast)
>The Company Way (the reprise sung by Frump)
>Paris Original (sung by Rosemary)
>Cinderella, Darling (sung by Schmittie and the Women's Chorus)
>Love From a Heart of Gold (sung by Rudy Vallee and Heddy)
>

I saw the movie in its original release many moons ago and the
Coffee break number *was* in the movie then, but it is not in the
video version.  In fact, the background photo-illustration on
the video box is from that number.  I vividly remember it and its
also on the soundtrack album.  Perhaps it was cut after the
original run of the film.  Does anyone have any information on this?
I agree, it's a wonderful movie, and it cries out for letterboxing!

>>3. Michele Lee, the female lead, looked awfully familiar.  I have this
>>   funny feeling she was on some 60's TV show.  Was she?  What else has she
>>   done?
>
>I think she's in Knot's Landing or some such prime time soap.
>She played opposite Dean Jones in "The Love Bug".

She was also in a 60s TV show called That's Life--sort of a
mini-musical each week--and I *think* Morse appeared in it with
her!

--Michael