HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: SKIN (Re: Milligan Request)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:36:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.161633.20263@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
...
>the psychedelia of Shade to the grimey social realsim of Skin), and has a
>very good grasp on characterisation (possibly better than the 3 you mention).
>Shade is definitely worth a look, as is Skreemer for the not-so-faint-hearted
>and Skin (for those with a strong stomach).
>
>While I'm on the subject, has anyone else out there read Skin? Has it reached
>the US yet? If so what are people's reactions to it? I personally found it a
>very moving story, probably one of the most true-to-life 'comics' I have 
>ever read. But then, maybe that's because I grew up in London in the 70s and
>so I have a feel for what he's writing about. Anyway, I'm interested in what
>other people think, because I think this is one of the best comics (or GNs or 
>whatever) of 1992.

Came out here about a month ago, I think.  Best book (of the graphic
type) I've read all year.  Truly powerful story, and the combination
of Carol Swain and Brendan McCarthy was brilliant, the result unique.
It was universally liked by the "crew" at the comix shop I hang at.

One pretty big bitch, though.  On the next to last page, there are
bios and photos of Milligan & McCarthy, but nothing for Swain.  The
credits read "story - Milligan, Art - McCarthy, Colours - Swain", from
an original McCarthy story, but this can't be right.  Some of the faces
are as pure Swain as it gets, and the painting is obviously McCarthy,
they must've gotten it backwards, or there was a lot more
collaboration going on.  Was this the case in the british edition
(Tundra pub. it over here).  In any case, they slighted Carol, in what
may be her best work, IMO.  I'm basically the same age they are, so I
have the same sort of memory association going on, but it's the best
thing I've seen in a long time. I have a tough time calling it a "comic book".

Looking forward to Rogan Gosh and Captain Cracking,

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"He might have looked like a wanker who couldn't wank but he was one of us.
    We called him Martin 'Atchet.  He was a skin.  All right?
  --- Skin
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu
......................................................................


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From: rschwabe@brahms.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe)
Subject: John Ostrander
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:14:13 GMT

I am just writing in to ask a simple question, why does it seem that a 
great deal of projects that John Ostrander writes seem to get canceled.  First
Manhunter, then Firestorm, Suicide Squad,and now I have heard that he is being
removed from Hawkworld (this is a rumor).  Personally I like Ostrander's 
writing the best, he is one of the few people who really puts some grittyness
into comics.  He really likes to show how things really are.  
	I have heard that he will start writing Magnus soon, so I will 
probably pick that up.  Also he will write the Spectre which may be good but I  am not sure whether I will pick it up.     What else has he (does he) written (aside from 
the above mentioned and GrimJack) because I really  like his style.     
	Is Ostrander not liked in the community by readers

Answer please

Thanks.

robert J. Schwabe
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gamian & Pratchett's Good Omens
Keywords: Gamian good omens
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:19:14 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <1992Oct15.044810.21632@cs.mun.ca> robertp@cs.mun.ca (Robert Patey) writes:
>
>Has anyone read Good Omens?  what do you think? How does it compare to
>Sandman.
I have read the book and it is one of the funniest things I have ever
read. I was lucky enough to be travelling through that part of England
while reading it os it had an even great impact on me. Gaiman and
Pratcheet both wrote it. While I haven't read any of Prachett's stuff,
it isn't easy to pick out a bit where you think "Oh that was writen by
Gaiman and that was written by Pratchett". However, I generally thought
that Gaiman wrote the "grimmer" parts of the book.

No real need to campare it to Sandman. It is an excellent book and
stands by itself. Well worth picking up. As for the supposed movie
version (supposedly not happening now) I'd get Julian Sands for
Azriphale and Christian Slater for Crowley. Anybody, BUT McCauly Calkin
(whatever) for Adam.

Again, get the book. You won't be disappointed.


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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: ElfQuest 3
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:13:22 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I have to agree that ElfQuest Hidden Years #3 was a bit slow.  Actually,
I've been tremendously dissatisfied with the entire Hidden Years series,
which has just not been up to WARP's usual standards.  Weak plots,
inconsequential themes, undeveloped characters...very disappointing.
	However, I agree that the next one looks good.
	And is anyone else p.o.'d that subscriptions are being discontinued?

	Andrew D. Simchik
	U of R's opinions and mine aren't congruent

PS The letters page has probably been deleted 'cause they've probably been
getting complaints about the Hidden Years.  Or because Richard's being lazy
and cutting that along with subscriptions.

PPS The New Blood special was much more entertaining.
From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: recurring Sandman theme
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:07:43 GMT
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences

I don't know if this is in the annotations already, but it occurred to
me last night that Gaiman has been repeating a theme in several of
his short stories.  The stories of Orpheus, the Parliament of Rooks,
and the upcoming Arabian Nights all have to do with the life-or-death
treatment of an artist by his audience.

I tried to flesh this out into a more sweeping conclusion, but it quickly
became ridiculous.  So there it sits.

	-dp-
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD. Is it really him?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:26:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:

>Is the PAD who posts to this newsgroup Peter David, of (recently)
>Hulk fame?

Yup.

(and if you don't believe me, you can ask him yourself)

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: robertp@cs.mun.ca (Robert Patey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Gamian & Pratchett's Good Omens
Keywords: Gamian good omens
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:48:10 GMT
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland


Has anyone read Good Omens?  what do you think? How does it compare to
Sandman.

Good Omens is a novel. I know this is a comics newsgroup, but this
 is where the Gamian fasns are.

Thanks in advance
Bob
From: gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gerson V Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: cerebus 162
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:48:12 GMT
Organization: UB

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>Well, it feels like only a few months passed between 100 and 162 (and we thot 
>Marvel Time was bad!), but if Oscar served his entire sentence(I can't recall 
>if eh did or not) then it's more like 2 years.

Umm, I'm pretty sure that was him (Jaka's Story Oscar) next to Posey in issue
#160 or so, so I'd guess it's less than 2 yrs.

>     Dave Van Domelen, wonders what a half-aardvark would look like....

Gerson Koenig
gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman: Man of Steel 18
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:28:04
Organization: csua
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In-reply-to: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU's message of 15 Oct 92 12:18:14 GMT

In article <1bjni6INNjnl@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>Well not much happens in this issue. Doomsday finally breaks out and
>surfaces. He is already on Earth. I thought he was going to be from
>another planet, and then travel to Earth.

According to the news, that's because DC caved in to the PC idiots who
were whining about Doomsday being an escapee from a cosmic mental
asylum.  Quite unfortunate.  Politically correct morons should be
ignored.  Ah well.  I was actually a bit disappointed with the issue.
The Doomsday stuff was just so much filler, it seemed.  I hope MoS,
which I've always thought the weakest of the 4 Superman books doesn't
turn off people who pick it up, curious about what Superman is like
now...

Shannon
From: antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superhero Codenames (was Re: CYBER FORCE #1)
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:01:37 GMT
	<1bilnqINNo8b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <1bim8gINNo96@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University

(intruder@cats deftly changes subject lines and tosses this out:
>are you more likely to turn to the
>crowd and bellow,in your most "heroic" voice, "I AM THE MIGHTY DEATHMASTER!!!"
>Or are you gonna turn around and say, "I'm Doug."

That was one of the many good points about "Southern Knights"... the man
who had the idea for the team called himself "Electrode" and wanted
to give everyone else costumes and cool names too, since that's what 
Superheros are supposed to do...

But, the mayor DID shake his hand and ask his name, and he
DID answer "Electrode" nonetheless.

Good book, pity it hasn't come out in a real long time...


One could also point out that Guido in X-Factor took the same tact for
a while, and he IS leading the poll of best men in comics...


sandy
alex@astro.isas.ac.jp
etc. etc.
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: THE SANDMAN SERIES ...
Summary: Buy 'em all.
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:55:30 GMT

In article <7OCT199217045814@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:
>Okay.  I want more.  I've followed the thread concerning "where to start 
>reading Cerebus" (I do not read Cerebus either.  yet...).  Here's a similar 
>question: Where do I start reading Sandman?  From recent posts, I would 
>guess the stories are quite intricate.  Do I need to go hunt down all the 
>back-issues in order to follow current storylines?  or are the individual 
>"arcs" all separate self contained stories that have little to do with 
>one another?

As the King of Hearts said, "Begin at the beginning, keep going
until you reach the end, and then stop."

The trade paperbacks make it easy. If you're as impatient as I
am, then hunt down all the back issues after Season of Mists;
they shouldn't be that hard to find. Check with your friendly
neighborhood comic shop. You can buy all the issues before that
in TPB form ("Preludes...", "Doll's House", "Dream Country",
"Season...").

You can also just start buying with the current arc, and wait for
the TPBs to catch up. That'll work; you can enjoy Sandman a lot
picking it up in the middle. But then, you'll get more out of it
if you read the whole thing.  (Easy for me to say. Y'see, I
started reading with issue #4, so I had no trouble picking up the
back issues; I've got 'em all in little plastic bags. Eat yer
hearts out.)
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:47:24 GMT

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden):
>What I *don't* have a theory for is how they know Destruction is on earth.

Oh, that's easy!  That missing cosmic entities will be hiding on Earth 
and that random time-travel will cause the subjects to wind up in the
twentieth century are special cases of the same Universal Law.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! I CAN'T GET IT!!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:05:34 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

Could someone please cross-post the LNH stories or e-mail them directly
to me. As a new member (officially commended for creativity even!), I
desperately want to keep up on the LNH's goings-on. How will I ever 
interact with my fellow net.heroes if I can't join in their exploits.

Also, could someone E-mail a case of Pepto-Bismol (acknowledgements to
Matter-Eater Lad of that "other" legion) to my kid sidekick, Flatulence
Lad? He's really getting ...
umm, well ... active!

Long Live the LNH!


					Questionably,
					Sarcastic Lad
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From: boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes)
Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman's Sandman ...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:22:20 GMT


In article <8OCT199223194956@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes...
>Hi.
> 
>Does Neil Gaiman own the Sandman character and all the other characters
>in the Sandman series?

Neil Gaiman owns a small percentage of the Sandman character (don't know about
the others). Guest appearances don't earn him anything, I don't know if 
merchandising does either, but is another writer takes over Sandman NG will
get a cut. According to Alan Grant, who owns nothing of Judge Dredd, Neil
is one of the only writers to ahve this perk and is a result of him employing
an agent.

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Love & Rockets fans ("the comics book")
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 10:08:56 EDT

sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:

> In article <BvxpxI.78t@ais.org> empath@ais.org (Tim Triemstra) writes:
> >Mabe i didn't look hard enough, buti didn't see any articles about
> >Love and Rockets around here. I know that I'm not the only one who 
> >lkes reading this ikes reading :q1this awesome mag
> >
> >SOMEOE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE OUT THERE!!
> 
> You're not.  It's great.  I have sketches of Hopey and Heraclio
> over my mantelpiece.  Et cetera.
> 
You're not the only one out there.   Love & Rockets is wonderful.

So where is Maggie and when will we see her again?

Namaste,
Elizabeth

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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo's Glue)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: Bounces off Me and Sticks to You
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:12:42 GMT
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In article <1992Oct12.025845.4207@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
> Anyway, Desire says "There's a Vortex, the first of this age...
> and it's a *woman*." [Emphasis in original.] I've said why it was
> significant that Unity was a woman. Now you tell me: Why was it
> important (to Desire) that Rose was a woman? We never saw a hint
> of attraction between Rose and Dream.

	Lucien is surprised that the vortex is human.  I know that
this doesn't make a lot of sense given both Dream's attitude and the
conclusion, but that's what he says, and that explains Desire's remark as 
well.
-- 
"There is no such thing as inner peace.  There is only nervousness and death." 
--Fran Lebowitz                                                                
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image gets competition?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 08:54:27 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 >         Sources close to [The Comics Journal] have confirmed recent
 > rumours
 >         of a new creators' imprint called _Dinosaur_, whose founding
 > members
 >         include Frank Miller, Walt Simonson, John Byrne, Art Adams,
 > and
 >         Geoffrey Darrow.  The core group of five has also sounded
 > out other
 >         creators, including Alan Moore, Mike Mignola and Chris
 > Claremont,
 >         about joining the group.


YES!  This is very good news, indeed, if anything is to come of it.

Not so much because Image comics are to be despised; be that as it may,
this is not what makes the idea of these other artists forming a power
like unto Image so great.  Image gives its people full creative freedom
and a large share in the profits of what they create.  But so far, 
the Image benefits have only been offered to pretty "hot" creators --
people willing to produce ultra-slick, ultra-commercial comics which are
sure to attract a huge fan base.

Miller, Simonson, and Byrne are definate talents which should be reckoned
with in the industry.  Art Adams is a fan favorite artist for sure, though
he isn't as ultra-commercial as Jim Lee or Rob Liefeld.  These creators
have a chance of establishing a comics company which nurtures creativity,
while still offering the freedom and creator incentives which Image does.
This project, if it comes to fruition, could become the REAL next big
thing in the industry, and it could spell a major change in the way comics
are made.

IMO.

I wonder about the relationship between the names "Dinosaur" and "Tundra"?
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Duo Damsel (Re: Send in the Clones)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:15:47 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:

> terror of the criminal world.  (I mean, _really_-- never mind Lar Gand
> or Jan Arrah, one wonders whether the original three
> Legionnaires would actually have been impressed by the ability to
> split into three normal humans.  Why not just induct a strike force of
> Terrestrial identical triplets?  It really must have grated on Polar
> Boy and Night Girl that they were rejected while she was a member in
> good standing.)
> 

True enough - but there are things Luornu can do that normal triplets 
could not: share memories; enter a place as one person, leave that place 
as three (or vice versa); and maybe they just had a lot of paperwork that 
week and thought it would be great to have someone who could do three 
times the work a normal person could.

It also may be a matter of personality.  Maybe they liked her better than 
Night Lass, or thought she was more clever or something.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: On the subject of MUDS...
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct12.165710.59632@cc.usu.edu>, sl859@cc.usu.edu writes...
>	Errrr.  Well this is a topic of heavy discussion among us die
>hard LNHers.  It is in the works.  Bug Netlurker about more details.  We
>are going to "Force" him to help... (And he WILL won't he.) :)^10000
>Well, anyhow, look for details coming up soon...
>P.S.  Scav, Drizzt,DVANDOM,Crimson,Jef, and anyone else.
>We probably ought to get a time when we can get together and work out the
>details...  I know how to get on AFTERFIVE now...  (thanks SCAV!) 

Personally, I have, as a general rule, stayed away from MUDS. But this,
I would be up for. :)

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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superhero Codenames (was Re: CYBER FORCE #1)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 02:49:52 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > The inking is actually very nice, and quality paper is always
 > good.

Yeah, the unusual thing is that Marc Silvestri seems to be the one doing the
inking.  I don't think I've ever seen him ink his own work before.  This is
if we can believe the credits, and there's no ghost-inking from the rest of
Homage Studios.  If he IS inking his own work, and he's never done it before
on a professional job, maybe we should expect #2 a little late...

 > Well, the most pathetic thing was the names.  Ripclaw?  Cyblade?
 > 
 > Jesus, spare me.

Well, nowadays, ALL superhero codenames sound really stupid.  It sort of makes
sense for Spider-Man, where he's trying to conceal his identity, but 
Cyberforce is obviously some kind of government/private strike force designed
to fight crime.  That's a good definition of the police department; do THEY
use codenames?  I think superhero writers ar getting too set into the routine
of assigning codenames to their characters.  I guess on one level it adds
extra punch to the characters, but on another level it's just silly.

If you had just flown through the air, shot rays from your eyeballs and
destroyed a gang of terrorists, and you are now standing in front of a crowd
of attractive, frightened young women, and the mayor walks up to you and says
"Great job, son!  What's your name?" ... are you more likely to turn to the
crowd and bellow, in your most "heroic" voice, "I AM THE MIGHTY DEATHMASTER!!!"
Or are you gonna turn around and say, "I'm Doug."

(I guess it all depends on your sexual preference, eh?  Whether you're 
tailoring your appeal to women or young boys?)  :-)

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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: ???D.C. CRISIS???
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:05:38 GMT

In <92289.152700IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu> <IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I'm new to DC comics.  What is "CRISIS"???

Hasn't someone put this in a FAQ yet...?
--

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