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From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Subject: Re: <Why I was in army) Re: Service in Korea
Message-I.d.: <1992Nov19.002313.16368@tc.cornell.edu>
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:44:47 GMT

>
>	Unless the North Korean leadership, not just Kim Jung-Il, but also
>the entire Communist Party and the military, is so stupid as to think they
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
>can win, then I guess there will be a war.  But they are smarter than that.
>>

                    Who knows if Kim jungil is so stupid.
>>
>
>	Wrong.  International relations are not similar to that situation.
>LA riot had its basis on racism.  International relations aren't.  The LAPD
>also is not the American military.  If they were, then I'd hate to think who
>would have won the Gulf War.
>>
>
>	Ahh, I see your point.  So you are saying we should spend all our
>money and manpower in defense, even though the odds are very much in our
>favor, just because future is never certain.  Fine, be that way, but I'll
>be voting for politicians who are going to spend more money in domestic,
>social affairs, rather than in defense.
>
>
>
 Your opinion may be right! 
S. Korean may need to change the military policy and if the high rank officers
think that they feel it is the time, then they will do step by step.

Recently they have showed some jesture in change trivial things.

I wish that N. korea does not hid the developing the nuclear weapon at her
back yard. I have no evidence if they are doing it or not.

Also I hope that S. korea and N. Korea be coorperative as a same blood.

I am sure that recently N. korea still dispatch the spies into S. korea
and stil spend money to build their army.

Hope that N. korea turnsl their effort to their domestic problem first and
show any hostile attitude against S. korea.  

Open their steel barrier to the world and lessen their military budget.

I expect that within several years we koreans can see the impressive new
age of korean history.  

   The past is the past. The future is the future and now is now.

Brian, I wish that S korea have the better situation so that she can
concentrate herself on developing her werfare and being a nice contry who
contribute to the world society.

But not to say that military service is ONLY A WASTE OF TIME. 
TO WASTE IS NOT WORTH OF BEING EXSITENCE.

Say it is not DESIRABLE TO  ..........

Still I believe our society needs somebody to be a soldier.

.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hsong%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hwal Song)
Subject: info wanted on U of Missouri at Columbia
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:06:53 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa


Hi!

I need info on Computer Science in the U of Missouri at Columbia.
If anyone knows about the dept., please send me his/her
email address.

Thank you in advance.
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Coffee? Re: hey this is America (was Re: korean guys...)
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:32:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov21.180019.23240@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
> 	Espresso?  Give me a nice single capuccino with a little bit of
> Italian strawberry syrup in it.  It's simply delicious.  Or just plain
> capuccino with lots of cinnamon.  And forget about feeling wiser, stronger
> and more optimistic.  Take your gf/bf out to a cafe that serves these
> capucinnos, order them, drink, and just gaze into her/his eyes.
> ...

I know I am a minority on this one, but how can you call yourself a
true coffee lover if you destroy the rich flavor of coffee by stuffing
milk and syrup in it?  Try drinking a straight espresso while
mesmerized in the depth of your partner's eyes, perhaps by locating
your reflected self...

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:54:37 GMT

talking about me (James Choi)
In article <1992Nov19.175856.10678@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>	Hmm, let me see.. so your girl friend was the (un)fortunate one
>	who took the perverted, conservative,  and stupid-to-speak-out
>	Abby :).

You missed "responsible for losing Manchuria and making Korea a small
country."  I am also supposed to leave my "sticky" mother for a "sexy"
blonde according to someone else.  I will add more as soon as I hear more.
:)

>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878

James "too long to list here" Choi
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Bi-Bim-Bab Blue (was Re: My dear chungkookchang...)
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:53:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article 1976@news.yale.edu, lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:
> ...
> I'd rather have "Jeon-Joo Bi-Bim-Bab". When I went to Jeon-Joo
> several years ago, I had a chance to have "real" Jeon-Joo type
> Bi-Bim-Bab (mixed rice). It was the most delicious Bi-Bim-Bab
> I've ever had before.
> Oh well, I got to quit before I get too hungry...

Blinded by desperate search for chungkookchang, I have failed to grasp
the air of subtle nostalgia lingering in my stomach when I first read
Mr. Lim's tiny, yet provocatively hunger-inducing Jeon-Joo bi-bim-bab
episode.  After days and nights of melancholying fusion of dream and
reality, fuzzy image of the untitled bi-bim-bob I greatly enjoyed
during my dejected junior high school days in Seoul has completely
taken over my attention whenever the biological clock struck the time
for meal; not that I have a caring wife to cook for me mind you, but
that is another subject best terminated by "Keum-kang-san doh
shik-who-kyung iroda" (Even mountain Keum-kang is reserved for
sightseeing only after one has eaten).
   The bi-bim-bab in question, which I am about to describe now, is a
nobly humble one commonly found in the classrooms of junior or just
plain high schools in Korea.  It is suspiciously dead simple to make,
which is a proven beauty shared by various forms of bi-bim-babs, and
is generally accepted fact that the tastiness of one's bi-bim-bab
depends largely in part by the size of the class one is assigned at.
Yes, that's right.  The name of the game is to steal your classmates'
banchan (such as spinach, kongnamul, fried carrots, kimchee, etc) as
much as possible on your Korean style lunch box's lid.  The catch is
you must be agile!  There were lunatics in my class who would hassle
over to the neighboring class demonstrating their agility, let alone
their supposed search for "quality."  Also, having eagle eyes would
definitely help especially in that vast classroom with sixty or
seventy students roaming all over the place with their lid and
chopsticks hovering in the air.  Needless to say, after stealing, you
would stuff them all in your Korean style metal lunch box, and then,
with the lid closed, mix it as hard as you can by shaking the box
until the brink of straining your arms!  Beebyuh beebyuh beebyuh!
Finally, after you have carefully removed the lid, a tasty bi-bim-bab
would be waiting for you...

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:50:52 GMT

Ever since a naive and harmless question was posted by Sofia, we have this
on going discussion on Korean male stereotype.  As far as I can see, I was
the one with the most sweeping generalization (with the worst description
of Korean males).  But I was not flamed as expected.  Instead, another
Korean lady (Hannah) who expressed her EXPERIENCE got some preaching about
generalizations and stereotyping.  Is this another sign of Korean culture
where males can get away with pretty much anything?

In article <98379@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>Dear Hannah,
>[...]I only beg you not perceive guy as
>"guys," but rather as a single individual, whether he is capable of
>rudeness or caresses.  [...] Please do not
>judge Korean male as a whole even from my posting.

This statement should be applied to every single guys who recented stated
they have dated other races and found no problems.

|>Hyunsuk Seung

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Service in Korea
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:22:53 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Nov18.001522.11871@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>>It's nice to talk to you again.
>	Cool, let's get all the old gang back in here!  :)

	Come on, this is not YangRoWon.
	I want to see some yonger, fresher, and more perverted here.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ahn@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.k.ahn)
Subject: Re: Names (was Re: Dating)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.181822.22064@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.173751.26749@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> ahn@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.k.ahn) writes:
>>.... coming up with short, alternative names......
>>This is not exclusively a church matter, since such difficulty in names
>>seems to happen whenever there is a mix of Koreans, Korean-Americans,
>>and others.
>
>	What's wrong with using Korean since it is correctly used for
>	race/ethnic background.  Above, you seperated Koreans and
>	Korean-Americans, which means you used 1st Korean as nation (Korean
>	citizen) and 2nd Korean as race; why don't you just use Korean
>	as race so that you can just say A word Korean; if you don't like it,
>	why not Koreans and Americans.

You misunderstood my request.  I need an alternative for the
English-language ministry, because I don't like it being referred
to as "American ministry", implying that Koreans are not Americans.
I am perfectly happy with Korean-language ministry being referred to
as "Korean ministry".

>-- 
>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
>	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
>	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com


J. Ahn
AT&T Bell Laboratories
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: hey this is America (was Re: korean guys...)
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:10:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov21.031048.5092@colorado.edu> pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
> ...
> There's still some (Korean) guys out
> there who are open-minded enough to believe that a womans place is in the
> kitchen WITH THE MAN AFTER she comes home from her job!  And if the Korean
> guys can't handle it, well SOB SOB, hey this is America, and this is the 90s!
> Wake up! Smell the coffee and GET OFF YOUR HORSE!

I couldn't agree more!  But only 99.9%.
   Information is key to prosperity, and USENET is an international
medium.  You should have respect for others who may not read from
America, and this is the 90s!  Wake up!  DRINK a REAL coffee--an
Italian espresso in fact!  But please, don't get upset.  This is only
0.1%.
   And speaking of espressos, has anyone tried making them from
boricha?  It takes the bitterness away, just like the egg shells or
salt used by cafes and restaurants.  A stong espresso shall make you
feel wiser, stronger, and more optimistic!

Hyunsuk Seung 
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Subject: Re: <Why I was in army) Re: Service in Korea
Message-I.d.: <1992Nov18.143905.24333@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:19:36 GMT

>
I have dedicated my life of 2.5 year in the korean army and at that time
I was ready to die for defending the south korean if the north
would have invaded the south.

Somebody must join into the army, otherwise the south does not have 
the resistant force against the north. 

So far it is known that the sum of the military power of USA an Korea has
been balanced with that of the north korea alone. 

If this balance is broken, the war is inevitable.

Nobody want the fighting at all, however the peace is only the result based 
upon the superiority of the military power.

Korea is not as rich as US  so that she can not offer the money to all
the korean military personnels and that is the main reason why
korea must draft the men by law. 

You may seek the advantage to be exempted from the military duty by a law.
It is legal.
But remember that nearly all of the drafted service men are out of those
advantage and not qualified to be exempted. Korean people in korea owe
some or less to those silent , disqualified men for their safety.

If you are korean-american, be loyal to US. 

If tomorrow there were a war in korean penninsular, I must go back to
serve as a member of korean army. 

Why?   Still my mother and my brother and my relatives are living in korea.

As some of netters say,  2.5 YEAR IN ARMY IS JUST WASTE OF TIME.  BUT FOR WHOM?

Today's situation of South korea need cheap army to defend herself,
and if all of korean think that the service period is just a waste of time,
who will take care of the safety of south korea?

Therefore,  if you can (korean-korean only) avoid the duty legally, do it, and
serve the country with the better quality of production.
if that is caused by only the selfishness for your convenience, just be silent.

if you are a korean-american, you are not qualified to comment about the
korean army system, where you like it or not. That is not you business. .

if you are intrrupted by the korean military service system for your research
as an korean-korean, it is you fault. Korea offter several options to be
exempted from that duty. Just study the law and ask the experties how.

You will find out the best way.

In the history of mankind, the war has been inevitable.

This is the reality.

So militaray and military men are inevitable also.
Although it is no happy at all.........
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: FOR SALE (was Re: A Brief History of Time)
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:11:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov23.214416.13263@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> kim_nl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nina L Kim) writes:
>...  The book
>"Brief History of Time" is translated into Korean and is one of the 
>bestsellers ...

That reminds of something I kept shoveling back in to my things-to-do
list:

			      FOR SALE!!

		       A Brief History Of Time
			  by Stephen Hawking

			      Hard Cover
			with acid-free papers

		       Asking $7 plus shipping


This is not a joke.  Seriously inquiries only.  Please e-mail me.

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: <Why I was in army) Re: Service in Korea
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:39:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Nov22.153919.19562
Organization: Alchemy International

In article <1992Nov22.062345.24324@ncsu.edu> joh@eos.ncsu.edu (JHONG OH) writes:
>Well, it depends on how good our neighbors turn out to be, which we have
>no idea now. I just hope that the neighborhood turn out to be not so 
>dangerous 'hood to live in. Until then we are free to voice whatever 
>opinion we have on military service, but when it is our turn to serve we 
>might just shut up (since arguing does not save you from bullet) and
>spend (or waste according to your choice) 2.5 years on learning
>shooting skills, survival techniques, health improvement, working as a team
>and,social skills to mingle with various kinds of people from all over 
>the country. 

	Hehe, I just woke up, so I'm slightly in a funny mood, but I 
couldn't stop smiling when I read this one.  My mom always told me that
if I drown, my mouth will be the only thing that'll be floating.  (It's
a Korean expression.)  But anyway, yeah, arguing doesn't save me from
bullets, but it keeps Usenet in existence.  :)  I mean, yeah, arguing
over the merits of the latest Star Trek episode, 486 vs. 040, Amiga vs.
Mac, frats vs. anti-frats won't change diddly.  But that never stops
anyone here from doing so.  And trust me now and believe me later (in my
Hans and Franz accent), I'll be babbling until I finish my studies and
go learn to kill.
>
>Jhong Sik Oh
>Dept. of I.E.
>North Carolina State University
>joh@eos.ncsu.edu
>
>Ps. Is there Park MyungKyu (SNU '80 hakbeon, AERO Eng. perhaps in FSU?)
>or Kim ByungSoo(SNU, 78 hakbeon, AEro Eng. Perhaps in GIT ?)   
>
>
>  


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hjkim@sol.UVic.CA (Hyong-Joong Kim)
Subject: Re: Black Box
Keywords: duty, service, and offering
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:18:18 GMT

(Brian Chung) writes:  and (Sunny Kim) writes:
 >>> didn't even know that the plane had been hit by a missile.
>--  I am still very sorry for the victims of 007 KE flight.  However, I like
to add one more line behind the black box.   When I was in service, I tried 
a little bit to improve the conditions as far as I could.  For instance, I gave
more time to my boys who had wives or girl-friends, while thier beloved came to
see them.  I told them to clean the barrack regularly, not for the inspections 
but for their health, etc.   I was proud that I did not have any bit of my
boys hurt or killed in an accident, while class 10 supplies (it's corpse in 
military jargon) occurred in neigboring platoons.  Can you imagine the 
grey mood among boys after wrapping their comrade for good?

Now, this is what I had in mind.  Since I put the army thread in 
kill, I do not know what happend in detail except the first post.  
In flight 007, there was a prof returning from the US after visiting her/his
college kid (probably, a private Univ).  But, the prof got killed after
the official term (Sept 1) began.  The incident was on the 2nd or 3rd of Sept.
Hence, the prof became a deserter from her/his work unfortunately. I really
don't know which one is good of doing service or using the precious time more 
effectively, as more than 9 years have passed since my service. haha.  BUT, 
I know one thing:  The prof who got killed inside 007 happened to have a name 
prefixed in deserter XXX, to my regret.  ---  A `man' should know what social
fabric is.  If it gets loose, the society will be doomed.  (did i jump too 
much here?, mumbling, mumbling ..... )
       Please offer your best to your father land, then you will not have a
prefix such as draft-dodger which may go with you inside your grave.  :)
Cheers,                              Hyong-Joong Kim
                                     Ex-marine lt. (blue dragon div.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: <Why I was in army) Re: Service in Korea
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.210215.11377@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.190136.28498@news.duc.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>>I have dedicated my life of 2.5 year in the korean army and at that time
>>I was ready to die for defending the south korean if the north
>>would have invaded the south.
>>
>>Somebody must join into the army, otherwise the south does not have 
>>the resistant force against the north. 
>
>	Oh, ptooie, I knew someone was going to say this sooner or later.
>Come on, let's be realistic here.  What is the chance of North Korea 
>invading South Korea when one side has the backing of a Really Big Country(tm)
>and the other one doesn't?  What is the chance of North Korea invading
>South Korea when one side cannot even feed its own people?  Welcome to
>the 90s, bud, but this Threat From the North(tm) nonsense is as dead as
>communism.

Not that I disagree completely, but better be safe then sorry and N.Korea
has proven records of insanity dating back late 60's and early '70's
when many of 'commandos' penetrated South with only objective of causing
turmoil to bombing government officials in Rangoon to blowing up civilian
airline in the air.  Given that record, reasonable reasoning is not what
applies here and I believe what I see in this matter and until then I 
would vote to keep gate tighter until other side begs for water in written.
From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: korean guys...
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:16:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov20.145052.8208@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Ever since a naive and harmless question was posted by Sofia, we have this
>on going discussion on Korean male stereotype.  As far as I can see, I was
>the one with the most sweeping generalization (with the worst description
>of Korean males).  But I was not flamed as expected.  Instead, another
>Korean lady (Hannah) who expressed her EXPERIENCE got some preaching about
>generalizations and stereotyping.  Is this another sign of Korean culture
>where males can get away with pretty much anything?

Dear James,

I never preached her.  I begged her.  And if I come to think of it, I
was hitting on her.  Read my lips...


 O |     |_| |_  |=|  |
   |     |_| |   _|_  .


Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean War
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:53:08 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

In article <1992Nov22.053822.8772@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>	If the US army/marines were to land on Japan, it would have been a
>Soviet-US joint-effort.  In my analysis, such effort would not have been

  This gives me a new thought.  If Soveit and US fought in Japan together
and defeat Japan, there might be an 'East Japan' and a 'West Japan'.  
Maybe the atomic bomb saved Japan in some way. :-)

Wen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Subject: Re: My dear chungkookchang...
Reply-To: gk31@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gag-Lae  Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:03:13 GMT

>>hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>>: 
>>: Here I am, after a miserably cold day, I desperately long for a hot
>>: chungkookchang perhaps by a window overlooking a lonely but warm
>>: winter street.  It's not the best smelling Korean food, I admit, but
>>: surely would ease my hopeless hunger which have exponentially grown
>>: since the last ddwookbaekee I had months or perhaps years ago.  Even
>>: my memory is fooling me now.  Yes, I can still taste its smell of well
>>: cooked soybean paste which has soothed me from time to time, but I sit
>>: in front of the eye-straining computer terminal when cold breeze blow
>>: and dream of having one before I go insane.
>>:    Anyone know a place (preferably in Philly, DC, or NY City) that
>>: serves one?
>>: 
>>: Hyunsuk Seung
>>: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu

	Oh no... he escaped again. 
	If you ever see him, please let me know.  He is dangerous, and
please refrain from talking to him even remotely regarding food, for
his uncontrolled mental and physical behavior may be hazardous to your
health.   How would you recognize him?  That's simple.  He has
"chungkookchang" written all over his face.  You will see what I mean.
	Thanks for your cooperation.