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From: derekr@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: Are any Star Trek cast members ST fans?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:09:49 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
> 
>>Anyway, sometimes I wonder what the cast really thinks of the show and its
>>fans.  Sometimes I think they do not really like the show and think
>>ST fans are just a bunch of geeks and are very uncomfortable going to
>>conventions.
> 
> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
> 
> That couldn't _possibly_ be true.
> 
> P.
> -- 

Well David, I assume you have seen the Sat. Night Live skit where Shatner 
abuses Star Trek fans at a convention ("You! How old are you? Thirty? Have 
you ever kissed a girl before?" and so on) and then the con director 
starts to argue with him and apparently reminds him that if he wants to 
get paid he better be nice.  So Shatner says he was impersonating the evil 
Kirk from whatever episode that was (I can't remember).  It was a very 
funny skit but I wonder how much of it was just a joke.  George Takei and 
Jimmy Doohan, I think, are genuinely having a good time when they mingle 
with the fans.  I do wonder about Shatner and Nimoy though.  Anyway, just 
thought I would add my two cents to this thread.

-Derek Reubish
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: Christmas Ornament market value
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:49:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <l7gf0cINNp1u@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes:
>
>     A LONG time ago - oh about last December or so, I bought a
>wedding present for someone that is getting married this weekend (yes,
>I have been know to plan ahead).  Somehow or other I managed to get my
>hands on an extra Enterprise ornament.
>
>     So, if anyone knows what they're going for on the secondary
>market -- please let me know.
>
THANKS

Mary--at the last con I attended, the Enterprise ornaments ranged from
$80 up to $150, depending on the dealer. If your friend is a Trek fan,
that would be a wonderful gift.

-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
From: desmondw@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Shatner/Nimoy in Boston
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:35:49 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA


     I was at the Star Trek convention last Friday and must say it was
one of the worst conventions I've been to in quite a while. The
seating was terrible! I was so far away I couldn't catch a glimpse
of Nimoy or Shatner. Thank God for the screens on either side of
them. If not for them, I would have missed out. It was hard to hear
what they were saying too. But by far the worst was the lines. This
irritated me most. I got there a good 45 minutes early and waited in
a long line outside even though I purchased my ticket in advance.
Then when they let us inside, we were in another line that was 10x
worse. Everyone was packed like sardines and pushing and shoving.
The convention began at 7, I did not get out of the line and into
the auditorium untill 8. I must say it was run very poorly.
From: jblum@oberon.umd.edu (Jon Blum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: 6th season guest star (major SPOILER)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:12:22 GMT

Re the eternal debate on how Scotty's going to return...

How's this for a simple way to bring him back?

Scotty's DEAD.

But his ghost haunts the engine room of the Enterprise-D.

OK, so maybe not "ghost".  Residual consciousness of some sort.
They could find some good-enough non-supernatural justification,
I'm sure.

And then they could match up this consciousness-field with his
transporter data records, a la "Unnatural Selection", and
restore him to his body circa the movies.  Unfortunately, their
data records don't go any farther back, so Mr. Scott couldn't
get any younger than that.

Picture it:  Scotty materializes on the platform, looks down at
his body, and says "What?  Don'cha hav' anythin' in better shape
than this one?"

Massive amounts of :-)'s, of course...
From: eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Star Trek in Germany
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:19:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Jul24.231955.5770
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

What can people tell me about star trek in Germany?  Specifically, I am
looking for information on whether or not ST:TNG is playing on any
station over there. 

The name and location (city) of any stations would be appreciated....

thanx...
From: lipscomb@lonestar.utsa.edu (David S. Lipscomb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: irish
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:22:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

in "up the long ladder"  who is the actress who wanted riker to wash her feet
starting from the head and working the way down?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:42:22 EDT
From: <SXT115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: WHO'S HOTTER???

    My response to the Who's Hotter campaign (female version)

    1. Chekov
    2. Sulu (younger version only, he didn't age too well)
    3. Riker
    4. The Betazoid guy who was a negotiator for a wormhole... I think
       it was the episode called "Who Counsels the Counselor?"
    5. Worf
    6. Wes


  So there's my $.02 worth.

  Shannon
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From: das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Poker
Keywords: poker, infrared transparent cards, Geordi
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:39:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <4590@daily-planet.concordia.ca> you write:
>In article <Brsu73.9zG@gtsi.com> rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>>This was all explained in the episode where Worf hurt his spine (title 
>>unremembered because I don't memorize ones I hate). Geordi commented to
>>Worf that Troi was bluffing, and that he shouldn't use infrared transparent
>>cards. He also pointed out that he didn't look until after the hand was
>>over (for him, at least).
>
>	Okay, this has been bothering me since I saw that episode.  Geordi
>mentions that they shouldn't use "infrared transparent cards" because he can
>read them with his visor.  Now correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't infrared
>refer to infrared radation, which Websters defines as "perceived as heat and
>is produced by or causes changes in the vibrational and translational motions
>of atoms and molecules".  In other words, it responds to heat...different heat
>levels will produce different colour patterns on the cards. So is Geordi saying
>that the clubs on a 2 of clubs card are hotter than the rest of the card, thus  
>allowing him to read it?  One would think that the cards would be of uniform
>heat, except in the places where they were last in contact with a person's
>hands (heat from the fingers).  I don't see how this would give Geordi any
>better insight into what cards his opponents are holding.            
>	Anyone else have any ideas on this line?

Well, the cards might be designed to have a heat signature for each auit
and number, so Geordi can see them more easily.  The transparent reference
would mean that he can see the heat sign from either side of the card,
not just from the face-up side.

To make it even, the cardbacks should be shielded, so Geordi can only see his
(face-UP) cards.

--
 "If I speak, I am condemned.		David Stumme 
  If I stay silent, I am DAMNED!"	das@sunsrvr1.cci.com
      -- Jean Valjean a.k.a. "24601" 	das1417@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
         "Who am I?", Les Miserables 	D.STUMME @ GEnie
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Newthread: TNG Fashion
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:24:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul25.182429.6004
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <BrxCou.88D@spock.dis.cccd.edu>
markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.134207.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>
>>Does anyone besides me wonder why the off-duty and civilian fashions
>i                                      ^^^^^^^^
>To my recollection, the only off-duty attire I've seen has been on Picard
>and Beverly--loungewear/jammies. Marina Sirtis once remarked at a con
>that Tasha Yar borrowed one of Deanna's "Wonderful clothes" in Naked Now.
>Yet, as Lwaxana points out in CoL, all she ever seems to wear are those
>purple suits, and solid blue dresses for special occasions. Very dull,
>indeed.
>
>-- 
>Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
>Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....


Hmmm. This brings up something that has been bothering me since the first
or maybe second season:

Why are all the human/humanoid guest stars/characters always seem to be
wearing those *AWFUL* one-piece jumpsuits that zip down the back?  Now
realistically, even in the 24th century, it would still take an extra
person to zip and unzip those silly things....what if ya have to go to the
bathroom? .... "Yo! Worf! Can ya unzip me there pal?" --Carl Riker

Dave.s

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Spoilers
Organization: CSG Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.174850.26859@afterlife.ncsc.mil>
agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:
>Please pardon my ignorance, I am a long time trekkie but a brand new 
>user on the net. Please define what "Spoilers" are referring to.
>
>                            Thanx
>                          SCRIB
>
Spoilers are messages that might give critical information concerning scenes,
etc. in movies or books or TV shows that some readers might not have seen or
read.  Some episodes are shown a few days or even maybe a week earlier in some
cities than others.  Therefore many people may not wish to find out about them
before they see them.

Make sense???

Jon
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Newthread: TNG Fashion
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:32:50 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Jul24.134858.5774@iscsvax.uni.edu>, althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> In response to the "unfashionable" statement about dress on off-duty
> characters...

[stuff deleted]
 
> Most of the "aliens" that the ship meets wear neat things.  This is a saving
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> grace.  I don't know what I'd do, though, if I couldn't count on being able to
> see Jean-Luc's chest every now and then thanks to his fantastic nightwear!

Actually, the whole alien costuming issue is a sore one for me... I am
really sick and tired of seeing practically every member of an alien
society wearing exactly the same costume!  Is Earth the only planet
in the galaxy with fashion designers and LL Bean catalogs, etc?!?

The worst case of this, of course, was the first season episode where
Wesley is going to be put to death for breaking the "don't crash through
our miniature greenhouses" law.  (JUSTICE, was it?)  On diplomatic or
millitary delegations, I can handle a uniform, of course ... but not for
every average Tom, Dick, and Harcourt Fenton Mudd on every planet!
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Tom Tullio                            / / / 2       I always said I wanted to
Wesleyan University                  / /  \                     be someone --
----------------------------*       / / /\ \         I guess I should've been
TTULLIO@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU         \_\/\ \ \                  more specific.
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Putting minor errors in perspective...
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:15:01 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona


Someone else already mentioned that whether a body is a moon or a planet
(or a star, for that matter) is as much a matter of semantics as clear
definition.  However...

In article <1992Jul28.162111.16154@gvl.unisys.com>, joes@gvls2 (Joe Schulingkamp) writes:
>The Earth
>and Moon, if I recall, actually orbit a point that is located
>somewhere inside the Earth but not at its center.

*ANY* two orbiting bodies will orbit around thier common center of mass.
For a relatively light body orbiting with a relatively heavy body, the
bodies will orbit around a point nearer the heavy bodyies center of mass.

For more equal bodies, the point of orbit will be nearer to the center
of the line between the two centers of mass.

-- 
Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu
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From: erik@askinc.ASK.COM (Erik Johnson - MIS)
Subject: Re: President of Federation in TUC
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:14:46 GMT

In article <A11337@HB.maus.de>, Stefan_Radermacher@k.maus.de (Stefan Radermacher) writes:
|> William C Thompson (wct@po.CWRU.edu) wrote:
|> 
|> >Did anyone notice that the President of the Federation in STVI (the dude with
|> >the long white beard) looked a LOT like one of people in the control room in
|> >STIV?
|> > Any idea what race he might be?
|> 
|> According to the novel he is a Deltan, just like Lt. Ilia in ST:TMP.

Yes, they appear to be the same race. As to the cannon name of what it might be
who knows? I know in the role-playing game by [whispered] fasa, they are called
Efrosian.

[At this point Erik runs dodging over-ripe vegetables and various thrown 
objects at the mention of fasa.]


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From: msears@mta.ca
Subject: Klingon Home Planet
Reply-To: msears@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:09:07 GMT

Ever since i can remeber the show starting i thought it was called Kitimar or
Kittimar...Just my thoughts!

-Mary
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Aboriginies on TNG! 
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:25:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.041904.4367@verifone.com> ken_p1@verifone.com writes:
> markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:


[on the merits of grading systems...]

>I guess if something doesn't get a number, or a grade, or stars then people who
>read the review will become lost.  Look at the book reviews in the SF mags,
>except for Aboriginal SF, they do not grade any of the reviewed books, just
>comments.  

The Aboriginies are known for writing science fiction!  Wow.  And all
this time I thought they spent most of their time concocting
mythical-type epics.  Anyone going to Australia soon that could pick me
a few copies of this stuff?


Oh...wait a minute.  Is it possible that you meant "aboriginal" with a
_small_ "a"? Aaahhhhh.  Boy, do I feel silly now.



Standard humor diclaimer here.


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Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."	
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From: jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer)
Subject: Re: President of Federation in TUC
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:35:16 GMT

I seem to recall this too.  This brings up a consistency (no anti-consistency 
flames, please) problem in that in several works, most notably STTMP, Deltans 
are not supposed to have _any_ body hair, while this guy obviously has a lot of
it.

Jon
From: altarrib@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Michael Altarriba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Quote from "The Outcast"
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:22:07 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

"The Outcast" was playing again this evening, and I wanted to get this 
quote down. Unfortunately, I didn't think to set the VCR. I'm fairly 
sure that there are some errors, so if anyone has the time and a tape,
I would appreciate corrections (my email preferably). If there is interest,
I'll post the corrected version. This is the speech given by Soren at her
trial:

--------------

I am tired of lying.
...
I have had these feelings, these longings, all of my life.
It is not unnatural. I am not sick because I feel this way.
I do not need to be helped. 
What I need, and what all of those who are like me need, is your
    understanding and compassion.
We have not injured you in any way, yet we are scorned and attacked
because of what we do.
What we do is no different from what you do.
We talk and laugh.
We complain about work.
We talk about our fears, and we worry about the future.
And, we cry with each other when things seem hopeless.
All of the loving you do with each other is what we do.
What right do you have to punish us?
What right do you have to change us?
What makes you think you have the right to dictate 
    how people love each other?

--------------

Eloquent. Did the writers come up with this, or is this someone else's
material??


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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: re: TNG Fashion
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:03:00 GMT

Ok, I agree with Laura that we don't want the costumes to look dated or
trendy, but surely not every species in the known (and unknown) Universe
wears either pastels or earth colors!  Since the new designer took over
after the 2nd season (I think that's when it was) there has been almost
no use of vibrant colors at all.  Just PASTELS and EARTH-TONES.  Bleah.
Boring.  Some of the fibers have been interesting, those that didn't
resemble upholstery  (for uphostery see the Traveler's costume, & the suit 
worn by the Holographic/Real physicist Geordi fell for).  I like the 
Issei Miyake look on Picard, but don't use it for everyone else too.  It
was _awful_ on Riker and Troi in Menage a Troi. 

Someone else brought up another pet peeve.  Why is it that every planet seems
to have a uniform that its inhabitants wear?  Does everyone on earth dress
alike?  No, then why expect everyone on other planets to dress alike?  OK, I
understand the words "budget constraint" but come on guys (neuter use intended)
give us some variety!  

Nuff griping.  Next?

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
MATTHEWS_K@CUBLDR.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kling is a PERSON!!!
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:44:57 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Jul21.011640.28148@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
> In a previous article, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) says:
> 
>>In article <1992Jul19.121531.11796@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot) writes:
>>>Whomever stated this a few weeks ago, please re-iterate what you heard
>>>and who you heard it from.  If I am correct, Kling is *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* 
>>>*NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT*
>>>*NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* 
>>>*NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT*
>>>*NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* *NOT* 
>>>the name of the Klingon homeworld in TNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>It's *NOT* !!!!
>>>NOW, MOVE THIS TO REC.ARTS.STARTREK.MISC IF YOU WISH TO CONTINUE THIS IDIOTIC
>>>THREAD!!!!!!!!!!  (Please?)
>>
>>Uh, Sean?  First, relax.  Second, take your little temper tantrum
>>elsewhere.  Thank you.
> 
> Sean was trying to bring an end to an idiotic thread.  I was trying
> to do the same to the stupid thread regarding why the Klingon heads
> look different.  Oh my god, I can't sleep unless Paramount-almighty
> gives me a rational explanation why the heads look different so I
> can ingest it into my being and rest once more.  It's like no one
> reads anything anyone else posts.  The same #%@$!&% thing gets 
> posted over and over.  There have been millions of posts about the
> name of the Klingon homeworld, but there have only been about 4/5
> different opinions.  Like I said before, give it a rest.  There are
> several infinitely more interesting discussions elsewhere.  Perhaps
> some people should learn to be less condecending (sp?).

Thank you.

I screamed and yelled and I'm not too proud of that, but thank god this
damn thread seems to have wound down.  Geez, I was getting sick of posting.  
:-)

> -- 
> 
>                         [currently under construction]
> 
> 
-- 
Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
"BOB Is Our Hope/Jesus is Our BOB/Jesus Is BOB Hope" - Anonymous SubGenius
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From: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Reply-To: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:37:21 GMT


In a previous article, mmmirash@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) says:

>>I can't believe everyone on this net is discussing the physics behind
>>this!  Has everyone gone bonkers?  Doesn't anyone understand that this
>>is a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE?!!!  We see people get thrown back just about
>>everytime someone gets shot!  It's called EXAGGERATION for entertainment
>>purposes!  Why does everyone insist on treating movies as if they were
>>real life, that every aspect has to be realistic?  Sheesh!
>
>     The Trekkies are an elite group, who are visionaries of future 
>technology. Star Trek IS NOT just another Hollywood movie as you put
>it. There are already lots of people who deride ST and call it a lot
>of sci-fi junk. I hate these jerks....and you seem to be one of them...
>...please refrain from posting to this newsgroup.

Perhaps you should consider cross-posting this to alt.humor.
Great stuff!  Do you write this yourself or you do have a
professional do it for you?
-- 

                        [currently under construction]


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From: lorenzo@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo)
Subject: Re: WHO'S HOTTER???
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:25:39 GMT

In article <92203.164222SXT115@psuvm.psu.edu> SXT115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>    My response to the Who's Hotter campaign (female version)
>
>    1. Chekov
>    2. Sulu (younger version only, he didn't age too well)
>    3. Riker
>    4. The Betazoid guy who was a negotiator for a wormhole... I think
>       it was the episode called "Who Counsels the Counselor?"
>    5. Worf
>    6. Wes


Out of all the women's pick for Who's Hotter, I don't think Kirk has shown up
at all....interesting

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     Faster then light if you want to.                   \AKA: Rico and Spam/
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