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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: >Re: Library of Congress and Macedonia(n)
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:25:29 GMT

Panos Tamamidis  (ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:
>    You are trying to compare different things. Any incorrect information
>    (by mistake, and certainly not intensionally) that I or other Greeks
>    have posted in the network, do not contain any hostile intensions or
>    claims against the land of Skopjie (or its history and culture).

So blatant lies about airports and currency are not hostile?

>     Hah, hah ! What veto, Mr. Som*? And you want to start talking about
>     the currency? And which boycott, the one which only two supermarkets
>     with five to ten stores did? Haven't you seen any other boycotts in
>     the EC Mr. Som*, or are you blind?  YOU ARE EITHER STUPID OR BLIND !

The boycott caused quite some feelings in The Netherlands. As 
far as the veto is concerned you know very well without Greece's 
EC membership Macedonia would have been recognized long ago. One
could even daresay that the Greeks should thank the Danes who
voted no to Maastricht. It is sufficient with Denmark causing
trouble. On the other hand, should France give Maastricht the
kiss of death, then the situation will be another.

>     Again, try to find any hostile claims against Skopjie which a Greek
>     politician did.

I'm sorry, but what has this to do with anything? You claimed that
I was hostile to Greece, and I explained that this was a consequence
of the stupid Greek behaviour. You complain that I don't comment
what you are talking about, I would be glad if you could live up
to that yourself.

But as far as hostile claims from Greek politicians against Macedonia,
they are easy to find. The stupid recognition game is hostile enough.
And flirting with Serbia doesn't help.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Dabras Laiks!
From: mghg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Hasan Gencturk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: 'Gav*0', we can talk about your problems .
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:36:58 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <9207210328.A9772tZ@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>  You can call me whenever you want and talk to me about the (mostly)
>psychological problems that seem to torture and lacerate your wretched soul.  
>I know you need help, poor little Nick, you are just a big kid going through  
>a phase of reinfantilescence, undergoing the consequences of a prolonged,
>retarded Peter Pan syndrome. Don't hesitate to call me 'Gav*0', my friend ..
>Yes, my friend .. I consider you my friend and I am willing to offer you all
>the help you need so that you overcome the problems that haunt your thoughts.
>   You can even come and visit me at my home in
>
>   Geneva Street 8031, Woodridge,Illinois, 60516
>
>   I will be glad to offer you professional help.
>
>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
	Hasan, sorry but I'm disappointed by you. I had never expected
you or others who are attacked by this JERK and the likes to take them
seriously. They are hopeless creatures of one of a kind. 

JONTURK 


           

JONTURK 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6696 soc.culture.turkish:7924
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Don't forget,'Gav*0': My home phone number is (708) 985 60 59, ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:44:01 GMT


   You can call me whenever you want, 'Gav*0'. 
 The same holds for everybody out there, from 'Tri*' and 'Zap*' to 'Cro*'.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6839 soc.culture.turkish:8054
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Genetically Coded Behavior
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:20:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <Jul21.162233.47790@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
[..]
>> Wow. I didn't think I can hear this from a Greek. So, you mean that
>>Turks are really Greeks. I mean the Turks who were called Asian and
>>barbarian by some well known persons. The Turks who are not Europeans.

>What matters is the culture and not the genes.

Still, the majority of the contemporary "true" Turks (i.e. non
Kurds, etc) are stray cousins of ours and should be assisted to
the correct road perhaps(?)...
>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: pcdalian@smcc60.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Dalianes)
Subject: Re: mistakes on the Macedonian Issue (5) 
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:27:53 GMT

You keep answering to morons and juveniles. Things are said once
and are not repeated.  If they wanted convincing, they would have read history.
They don't. Instead they make their own prepostorous makebelief and with no
internal checks and balances, they fire it off to the net, sticking ignomiously
their foot in their mouths for the nth time. You have to give credit to the
cognitive processes of the rest of the readers; they can decipher they do not
need spoonfeeding.

Your are wasting your time in front of a keyboard dignifying with a response
some maladjusted nobodies.

The issue is closed, put to rest and let us talk about something else.  Do
not develop a mutlu syndrome, it would be a great disservice to your knowledge.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: shopov@ee.su.oz.au (Sacha Shopov)
Subject: Re: >Library of Congress and Macedonia(n)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Reply-To: shopov@ee.su.oz.au (Sacha Shopov)
Organization: Electrical Engineering, The University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:21:12 GMT

In article <Bs0v22.HC6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>  And this, of course, does not mean that the name Macedonia will continue
>  to be used for long time. It is also obvious, that except form Mr. Sommar*,
>  Mr. Shopov (and his friends Sonya and Sv*? who make the contributions ...),
>  and some other persons that appear sporadically, nobady else is draging
>  the name issue anymore. Yet, neither Mr. Sommar*, nor Mr. Shopov, are
>  really interested about the prosperity of this new republic. They just
>  don't have what to do in their spare time ...

Some people just don't know what to do with their spare time, other than to 
post personal character degrading global email to satisfy their own ego and 
prove to themselves how obnoxious they really are. Please, keep to your 
oblivous stand on life to yourself. We would all appreciate it. The facts as 
they have been clearly stated on the soc.culture newsgroups, where the Media 
are concerned, in countries of the Modern Western World where free press is 
what the name implies, headlines exist with "Macedonia" termed by that exact 
name. If you wish to think otherwise, then please do so. Many of us wouldn't 
really care Panos. However I am sure there are others who are not so blind as 
you in your ways. I send my regards to those readers.

No Regards Panos Tamamidis,
Sacha.

ps. please dont post where I am unlikely to see any offense you intend.
soc.culture.yugoslavia is the place. cross post to it please.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: Opening Ceremonies of Barcelona Olympics
Keywords: Mikis Theodorakis
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:15:35 GMT

In article <92Jul26.222734edt.47521@neat.cs.toronto.edu> ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara") writes:
>In article <Bs0t6q.646@acsu.buffalo.edu> v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Constantin Orfanos) writes:
>>
>>
>>       Has anyone out there had watched the opening ceremonies of the
>>  1992 Olympics with Mikis Theodorakis conducting an orhcestra to one
>>  of his songs called "Tha Simanon I Kampanes" (maybe misspelled).  
>>  Also this included a well known female singer who of course sang it.
>>
>>        This part had occured while they were marching the Olympic flag
>>  around the stadium before raising it.
>>
>>       I thought this version of his song was great and really had put
>>  a good touch on the ceremonies.  It had put chills down my spine.
>>
>>                                 Dinos Orfanos 
>
>Yes, I liked that part of the ceremony, as well as the whole ceremony,
>speaking on the average.
>The song "Tha semanoun oi kampanes" (the bells will ring)
>by M. Theodorakis, sung by Agne Baltsa, a famous soprano, was very good.
>Just to remind you it goes:
>Swpa, opou nanai tha semanoun oi kampanes
>                    Keep silent, the bells will ring soon
>auto to xwma einai diko tous kai diko mas
>                    this soil is theirs and ours too.
>...
>Kai toutoi mes ta sidera
>                    And these inside the bars
>kai keinoi mes to xwma ...
>                    and those under the soil ...
>
>I don't recall the rest this moment.
>It is a song of resistance, written during the dictatorship period.
>It symbolises the struggle for freedom.
>
>They did not sing the Olympic Anthem in Greek though, but in Catalan,
>Spanish and French (if I am right). Anyway, it was very good.
>In some other Olympic opening ceremonies I heard the Olympic Anthem
>by Kostes Palamas in Greek.
>Arxaio pneuma athanato,            Ancient immortal spirit,
>patera tou wraiou,                 father of the beautiful,
>tou megalou kai tou alethinou,     the great and the true,
>kateba, fanerwsou,                 come down, show up
>ki anthise (;) edw pera            and grow your flowers here
>sto xwma (;) tes dikes sou ghs     on the soil of your own earth
 ste doksa tes dikes sou ges        with the glory of your own earth
>kai t' ouranou ...                 and sky ...
>
>I don't recall the rest of that either.
>
>I did not hear the national anthems either, but it is possible
>that I missed them due to the commercials.
>
>C. Christara

C. Christara
From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Questionnaire
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:28:57 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal



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From: MehmedII@harem.topkapi.plc (Mehmed the Conquerer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: yet another Dicksucker, Konstantinos the Dicksucker
Summary: How did we get Istamboul?
Keywords: Harem, dickhead the Konstantinos (a.k.a. ball-sucker)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:36:24 GMT
Organization: Topkapi Palace Geek Greek Fucking Group, The HAREM.....

In article <199207241359.AP1453.BB1025@AYTOKPATWP-PWMAIWN.Krypta.Agia-Sophia.
Basileuousa.BYZANTION> writes:

>     Mutlu, you turkish vermin, rememeber : the tide is turning, your time is
                                 #########
> coming ! You and your like scum are going to swim in blood - your own blood
> I am going to rout and chase you back to the " KOKKINH MH/\IA " for ever 
> and till the end of time ! And the Holy City of Constantinople, the Queen 
> of Cities, the Gem of the Earth, the " Hope and Joy of all the Greeks ", 
> Nikaia, Smyrna, the Jewel of Ionia, Attaleia and Seleuceia in Pamphylia, 
> Sampsous and Trapezous on the Black Sea, Edessa and Melitene on the 
> Euphrates, Theodosioupolis and Sebasteia in the Pontus, and Antiocheia on
> the Orontes, the cradle of learning and erudition, all of them are going to 
> be GREEK again !
    
                        Hey Konstantinos the Dicksucker,

                        Come and get Istamboul (or you say Konstantinopolis). 
                        We conquered Istamboul and Istamboul is ours. Lick 
                        my balls. You are a bit late Konstantin, we got 
                        Istamboul 539 years ago. Do you rememeber (sp?) it 
                        dickhead. When we met, you were trying to hide under 
                        your bed, Konstantinos the Dickhead, you were about 
                        to shit on your wife.

                                           Mehmed II The Conquerer

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From: Konstantinos-IA-P@Krypta.Agia-Sophia.Basileuousa.BYZANTION (Konstantinos IA' Palaiologos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: H WPA COY, MOYT/\OY CKOY/\HKI, EPXETAI ... !
Summary: H BACI/\EYOYCA KAI H CMYPNH KAI H ATTA/\/\EIA EINAI E/\/\HNIKEC, MOYT/\OY TOYPKIKO CKATO !!
Keywords: ANACTACIC, KOKKINH MH/\IA, MOCXAPI, MIKPA ACIA, AIMA TOY MOYT/\OY , TOYPKIKA CKOY/\HKIA .
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:52:24 GMT
Organization: BYZANTINH AYTOKPATOPIA ( ZEI KAI BACI/\EYEI ! )


     Mutlu, you turkish vermin, rememeber : the tide is turning, your time is coming ! You and your 
like scum are going to swim in blood - your own blood - I am going to rout and chase you back to 
the " KOKKINH MH/\IA " for ever and till the end of time ! And the Holy City of Constantinople, the
Queen of Cities, the Gem of the Earth, the " Hope and Joy of all the Greeks ", Nikaia, Smyrna, the
Jewel of Ionia, Attaleia and Seleuceia in Pamphylia, Sampsous and Trapezous on the Black Sea, 
Edessa and Melitene on the Euphrates, Theodosioupolis and Sebasteia in the Pontus, and Antiocheia on
the Orontes, the cradle of learning and erudition, all of them are going to be GREEK again !
    
         Don't forget that, Mutlu, you vermin, just don't forget that !

                __            __            __
    KWNCTANTINOY||O/\IC -  E/\||IC KAI XAPA ||ANTWN TWN E/\/\HNWN !

                                               __
                              KWNCTANTINOC  DPA| ACHC , BYZANTION.
                              O MAPMAPWMENOC BACI/\HAC ...

 PS: Mutlu, you turkish vermin, rememeber: H WPA COY, MOYT/\OY CKOY/\HKI, EPXETAI ... !
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Gavrilakis Spyros IMHEF DME EPFL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Consensus
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:56:37 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne



Extracts from the interesting FT article Thurs. July 30 p2.
Spyros G.

--------------------------- FT 30 July ------------------------------

Title : Approval of Treaty assured in Greece.

<<The Greek opposition has assured the conservative goverment of an
overwhelming majority in favour of the Maastricht treaty in a
parliamentary vote 2morrow by giving the pact its backing.
<<Mr A. Papandreou, the Greek opposition leader, told a parliamentary
debate that he supported ratification despite concern about Greece's
ability to participate in European union.>>

...

<< .. only 7 hardline Communist deputies  in the 300 member house are
expected to vote against ratification. >>

<<Pasok's decision should also make the Economy Ministry's task easier
when it launches fresh austerity measures aimed at achieving
convergence with the rest of the EEC by 1997. A consensus, however
grudging, on the need for reform is expected to soften the impact
of continued wage curbs, pension cuts and higher unemployment as jobs
disappear in the public sector.>>

...

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From: patrinos@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Anthony J. Patrinos)
Subject: Re: Opening Ceremonies of Barcelona Olympics
Keywords: Mikis Theodorakis, Agnes Baltsa
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:09:10 EDT

In article <Bs0t6q.646@acsu.buffalo.edu> v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Constantin Orfanos) writes:
>
>
>       Has anyone out there had watched the opening ceremonies of the
>  1992 Olympics with Mikis Theodorakis conducting an orhcestra to one
>  of his songs called "Tha Simanon I Kampanes" (maybe misspelled).  
>  Also this included a well known female singer who of course sang it.
>
>        This part had occured while they were marching the Olympic flag
>  around the stadium before raising it.
>
>       I thought this version of his song was great and really had put
>  a good touch on the ceremonies.  It had put chills down my spine.
>
>                                 Dinos Orfanos 

I was also pleasantly surprised by this. It was a nice touch by the Spaniards
(or should I say the Catalans?). I guess one could attach a special
significance to their choice of song. My Korean roommate looked at me in
amazement as I sang along. The one thing that pissed me off however, is that
his telecaptioning device kept printing that the singing was in Spanish. To
think that this music was once outlawed in Greece...

Of course the announcers didn't say anything about this or the other songs that
were performed. I did like however the reaction of the crowd.

Regards,
Antonis Patrinos
From: Sophie.Miao@CoolCat.Kittyland.USA (Dr Sophie Miao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Mutlu, as I told you ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:14:28 GMT
Organization: Grooviecat Inc., Planet of the Cats .


   ... You'll see the truth and the truth shall make you free .

 Mutlu's secret admirer, Dr Sophie Miao, the Cat .
From: PFK@UMUC.BITNET (Pikaifhs Tsoutsounoleugies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Test 5
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Pikaifornia.


 Akomh test re,dev eivai tsimpouki !  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:6796 soc.culture.yugoslavia:7373
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Library of Congress and Macedonia(n)
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:54:38 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

The fact that the EC summit decided to not recognize Macedonia with
that name, does not mean that the name for this state is dropped,
and even less the name of the majority language. The below is extracted
from an article originally posted to the ISO10646 mailing list, a technical
forum dealing with the new 16/32-bit character standard ISO10646:

)For your information, the Library of Congress and every library and
)bibliographic agency world-wide that supports the U.S. Machine-readable
)cataloging ("MARC") formats recognize "Macedonian" as a language.  Because
)it is coded as a separate language in the international bibliographic
)community, I was able to count the number of Macedonian-language titles in the
)Research Libraries Information Network database.  And just this morning the
)Library of Congress announced a new COUNTRY CODE for "Macedonia", a copy of
)which I append below.
)
)Respectfully yours,
)
)Karen Smith-Yoshimura
)
) *** EXCERPT FROM THE USMARC ADVISORY GROUP FORUM, 7/16/92 ***
)
))                              COUNTRY CODE CHANGES
)
))      Because of political changes in Yugoslavia, several
))  additions are being made to the USMARC Code List for
))  Countries.  New codes are being added for newly independent
))  countries that had been part of Yugoslavia.  Prior to this
))  change, all of these republics used the country code yu
))  (Yugoslavia).  The code for Yugoslavia, yu, will continue
))  to be used for the republics of Montenegro and Serbia.
))
))
))
))                          Summary of changes to the code list
))
))             new country                        new code
))
))             Bosnia and Hercegovina             bn
))             Croatia                            ci
))             Macedonia                          xn
))             Slovenia                           xv
))
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Dabras Laiks!
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Don't forget,'Gav*0': My home phone number is (708) 985 60 59, ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:12:44 GMT


   You can call me whenever you want 'Gav*0'. 
 The same holds for everybody out there, from 'Tri*' and 'Zap*' to 'Cro*'.
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Don't forget,'Gav*0': My home phone number is (708) 985 60 59, ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:46:41 GMT


   You can call me whenever you want 'Gav*0'. 
 The same holds for everybody out there, from 'Tri*' and 'Zap*' to 'Cro*'.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Constantin Orfanos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Opening Ceremonies of Barcelona Olympics
Keywords: Mikis Theodorakis
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



       Has anyone out there had watched the opening ceremonies of the
  1992 Olympics with Mikis Theodorakis conducting an orhcestra to one
  of his songs called "Tha Simanon I Kampanes" (maybe misspelled).  
  Also this included a well known female singer who of course sang it.

        This part had occured while they were marching the Olympic flag
  around the stadium before raising it.

       I thought this version of his song was great and really had put
  a good touch on the ceremonies.  It had put chills down my spine.

                                 Dinos Orfanos