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From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:05:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.000245.11671@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, jayas@vast.unsw.edu.au (Jayasooriah) writes:
|> 
|> I recall many years ago when the then DATSUN distributors were
|> sponsoring a show on TV in which the Datsun Blue-Bird was promoted,
|> the obvious translation "Datsun Lan-Liao" was not used but another
|> term (I forgot) which when translated means "Datsun Blue-Quail".
|> 
|> So I think the "lan" means "Blue"!  Why Blue?
|> 
|> Jaya
|> 
|> --
|> Jayasooriah PhD,       CSE, UNSW | Definition of a monostable:               
|> P.O. Box 1, Kensington, NSW 2033 |                                           
|> Telefax:        +61 (2) 313-7987 |               "A one horse accommodation."
|> Internet: jayas@vast.unsw.edu.au |                                           

"Blue" in Hokkien is "lam"(2).
-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
From: pehng@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Peh Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:07:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug26.162325.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
 {A lot of stuff deleted}
>I thought the brain-drain (especially of lecturers) was due to lower wages in
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the UK.

 And most importantly, don't forget that the former PM of UK 
 abolished the "tenure" system in the UK, which makes  
 academic careers in the USA more appealing to those professors.

 Peh...
From: limsoon@iss.nus.sg (Limsoon Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:26:36 GMT
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
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mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:

:  DELETED

: Nope. I don't think it is correct to say that you don't
: need course credit to get a PhD in the US. There is a stipulation 
: on the number of credits one needs to accumulate
: beyond the MS or BS level. Of these there is also
: a stipulation that  a certain minimum must be course
: and   a certain minimum must be research/project credits.
: However I should say the courses are sort of a prerequisite
: to getting a PhD.  In most of the places that I know of
: original work is require.

A counter example to what you stated above is the CIS dept. at UPenn,
which waives such requirement for some excellent candidates.
Also I think some schools will waive the course requirement too,
so long as the candicate demonstrated the required capabilities,
for example, by passing the qualifiers.
 
                         -Limsoon Wong.
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: REQUEST: Folklore myths
Date: 30 Aug 1992 15:13:11 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

I'm a student in Berkeley, California, and this semester I
have an anthropology class wherein students are asked to 
collect 40 items of folklore. Some examples would be stories,
proverbs, games, explanations of how they came about etc.

If you think you know some such item, drop me a line or call
at (510)-644-8015 from Tues. onwards. ( Haven't really moved
in yet... ) =) No item is too "small", or unimportant. If
you feel it would be interesting, DO send a piece of email, and
I'll try to arrange a time so we can etalk, or call, or meet.

Thanks for your attention!

Chua
+==+
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:20:00 GMT

mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann):
>
> lao jiao ==> lan jiao ==> "blue bird"
> it is not blue bird, though it is a "bird" of some sort.

Enough!  It's "human bird" (in Hokkien).  Try saying "lan(3) jiao(4)"
(prick) and then "lan(2) jiao(4)" (human bird).  Would you agree that
it's easier to say the former than latter?  Would you also agree that
swearing with "lan(3) jiao(4)" is more effective than "lan(2) jiao(4)"
because the former can be stressed with a falling and followed quickly
by an explosive rising inflexion?  There you have it.  Case closed.

Of course, this is only my conjecture.

Now, can we move on to its Yin equivalent?


-Num
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:13:54 GMT

In article <Btn99x.7Kz@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>,
tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) writes:
> One way to find out where to get the cheapest fares is to 
> call the airline and ask them for a list of consolidators
> they use. The consolidators usually have some of the 
> cheapest fares around.
> -- 
> 
> Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
> e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
> Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
> Kingston, Ontario.

Problems with this approach is that an average you and me could
not get consolidator's tickets.  You need an IATA or ARC number
to purchase tickets from consolidators and i.e., travel agencies.

Travel agencies make their profits by adding some "overhead" to
these prices, but they are still way below the listed price or
whatever the airlines are trying to sell to you.

======================================================================
Michael E. Yip
Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.dec.com
Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: MERDEKA!
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 23:11:39 GMT

In article <4900028@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
>Thanks you guys out there. We had a 3 day weekend!

Come on, say something more instead of all the one liners!!!
I heard from the Intel guys that HP Penang is a vacation 
camp 8).

Me Mann
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: ASEAN Cities
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:57:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <CLIPPER.92Aug26185912@gleep.csd.uwo.ca>, clipper@gleep.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung) writes:
> >>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:12:52 GMT, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) said:
> 
> Othman> Hey, you miss Kota Kinabalu. It has a city status by reason of
> Othman> cleanliness, and size, not on population. I believe it is the
> Othman> only city without any major traffic jam in the region.
> 
> Othman> Driving and shopping in KK is a pleasure.
> 
> Is the merchandise still about two times the price as in Singapore?
> 
  I'm curious too.  When my family lived in KK, shopping was always a 
  nightmare for my dad. Well, maybe my family isnt as rich as somebody
  else's.

  I love those country roads...travelling from KK to Babagone(or whatever
  ...it's been a long long time ago), up and down those hills, breathing 
  those fresh-stench free air.  I wonder whether they are still stench free
  now.  Usually, during 'musim buah'-fruit season, we went into the
  country to buy truck load of fruits. Back in the 80s, you can get to buy
  by the trees for abt $40-$60 per tree.  Wonder whether you can do that now.
  Hmmm...those good ol days...when life was so simple.

  Btw, I heard there're alot of illegal aliens nowadays, well I guess not
  just in KK but everywhere for that matter!

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From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Anyone studying in Essex,UK?????
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:55:44 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <m2wpbtkn@csv.warwick.ac.uk> espbl@warwick.ac.uk (FLASH) writes:
>
>Almost all the Polytechnics in UK have been upgraded to University. The 
>Polytechnic of Central London has been renamed as University of West Mis.....
>(can't remember the name :-)) and The Polytechnic of Conventry as The
>University of Coventry. The University of East London suppose to be a name
>given to the upgraded Ploytechnic of East London if I am not wrong. Hope this
>help...
>

Oh oh! All polys can call themselves universities? My God, What is the world
coming to? :-)

waseem
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Toronto, Canada                                        uunet!sco!waseems
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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Andrew victims
Keywords: m'sians
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:53:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I just wonder whether there are fellow M'sians who really in the need
of assistance after the devastating hurricane Andrew hit south of Florida
and part of Louisiana.

I myself personally know several people who're studying in several colleges
in those areas.  So if y'all need any assistance at all, I'll be glad
to help in anyways that I can.  Y'all can contact me personally via email.

I also would like to take this opportunity to urge my fellow countriperson
to hand a helping hand to those that really need it.
Maybe we can gethtogether and organize something.

Thank you, together we create a better society!

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From: espbl@warwick.ac.uk (FLASH)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:43:12 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Aug26.145357.23783@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> echong@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Chong) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.060234.4707@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>>If you are good at passing exams you can do well in US universities. For
>>example there was a Malaysian PSD scholar who graduated with PhD in 5 years
>>after MCE(GCE O level). This is fact, I read in in Malaysian newspaper.
>>	 In UK , no matter how brilliat you are, you can only
>>get it in 6 years, 1 year A level, 3 year BSc, 2 year PhD.
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

    Are you implying that UK PhDs are 2 year courses... NO.. As i
    know, it spans for 3 years!!! (at the minimum).

 
>>UK only teach you the fundamentals. Like Maxwell equations. The rest you must
>>solve yourself. You are not taught. You must work out from first principles
>>in order to solve your problems. Now I realise that some of our exam questions
>>are actually taken from "published papers" which we are asked to prove.
>>	You can imagine how difficult it is to pass in the UK system.
>
>Hmm...my experience must be biased. I noticed UK and Australian
>universities teach a lot of "practical" subjects, whereas the US
>universities I've encountered teach mostly fundamentals.


    Not really true!  Loads of theory are in UK!!!!

>>
>>Now that I have worked in Industry and lecture at a University, I strongly
>>believe that we must teach student fundamentals instead of practical skills
>>which are just the application of those fundamental theories. The practical
>>skills are argueable and "will become obsolete". The fundamentals will not 
>>become obsolete.
>
>------
>Edwin Chong

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From: enigma@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (the Flea Circus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: need addresses of electronic companies in S'pore & M'sia
Date: 31 Aug 92 05:18:21 GMT
Reply-To: enigma@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (the Flea Circus)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: enigma@thumper.cc.utexas.edu

I am a Malayian who has recently graduated from the 
University of Texas at Austin with a Bachelor of
Science in Electrical Engineering. I would like to 
for long term jobs in the following companies based 
in Malaysia or Singapore. If you are involve or know 
of who to contact and the addresses of the companies,
please email jesskong@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu as soon as possible. 

1. Intel 
2. Motorola
3. Hewlett Packard
4. Texas Instrument
5. NEC

Currently, I am looking for practical training in the 
United States. I am expected to return home in early 
October if there is no favorable result from my job
hunting.


				Jessie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:51:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.143224.5478@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug31.130529.3659@bmers95.bnr.ca> khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug28.000245.11671@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, jayas@vast.unsw.edu.au (Jayasooriah) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> I recall many years ago when the then DATSUN distributors were
|> >|> sponsoring a show on TV in which the Datsun Blue-Bird was promoted,
|> >|> the obvious translation "Datsun Lan-Liao" was not used but another
|> >|> term (I forgot) which when translated means "Datsun Blue-Quail".
|> >|> 
|> >|> So I think the "lan" means "Blue"!  Why Blue?
|> >|> 
|> >
|> >"Blue" in Hokkien is "lam"(2).
|> 
|> Obviously you don't expect Singaapore TV advertisments to
|> be in Hokkien do you.  "lan" is close enough  to blue in mandarin
|> at least for Jaya 8)
|> 
Oh, ok. Let's see bluebird in mandarin would be 'nan(2) niau(3)'.  Can't see how
that would be close to prick.
-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MERDEKA!
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:29:15 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Thanks you guys out there. We had a 3 day weekend!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,rec.travel
From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:01:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220918.7118@PA.dec.com> yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip) writes:
>Korean Airlines was the one that got their 747 blown up by the 
>Soviets.   In fact, they had another 707 back in the late '70s
>also fired upon by the Soviets in and around the North Pole, and 
>managed to crash land on some ice-covered no-man-land.  A small
>number of people were killed with many injured.

In fact, the 707 entered the Soviet air space from the Arctic ocean at a
bright daylight and passed thru NW corner of the Soviet territory almost to
a Finnish border, when hit by a fighter's fire.
The plane lost its left wing almost completely. It seems incredible, but
the pilot managed to land it onto a frozen lake, far in the widerness of
Russian North (the guy used to be an AF pilot during the Korean War).
Nobody was killed, and (another miracle) a rescue was done really fast by
the Soviet military from an outpost nearby.

	D
From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants to by SCUDS
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:34:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services



guys,
again from all the discussions we all just assuming, no definite thing.
this makes it harder to give any answer, because i might be wrong as
you might be too. anyway, here are my comments:

ok, firstly why indonesia did not need scuds if wanted to attack singapore.
i could easily answer: because we wont. but if we had to, let's face it
(not wanting to be arrogant or undersetimate singapore, sorry) singapore
is a small island. you guys already agree that scuds are not
accurate. so, you can answer yourself why we do not need to use scuds. (if
only an asutralian casted the same question, i definitely i wouldnt use the 
same answer).btw,i know the joke that if every indonesian collect his spit and 
at the same time use it to bomb singapore, singapore would be drowned. well, 
might be. we produce lots of spit (not that i am proud of) and besides 
singaporeans deadly hate spits, right ? well anyway, let's leave it as a joke.

now, if indonesia buys scuds while other aseans dont, so what ? can we then be
accused to be the maybe-future-agressor ? of course not (at least i think so)
well, indonesia not long ago had military exercise with malaysia, you said.
so what, so what,so what ? any singaporean killed due to this exercise ? any
rumour that indonesia and malaysia will join attacking singapore ? by bringing
this up you have proven that you are too touchy indeed. it's been long time 
indonesia and malaysia have military exercise together. no complaint from other
asean governments. from vietnam or australia maybe (i'm not sure), but not from
other aseanites (well, until yesterday, that is). what i'm stressing is that 
every government has their own plan in expanding their military capability.
hopefully it is for devensive purpose, but if not let's see. we built asean
based on trust and understanding. so, let's keep it that way ! btw, there has
been no all-asean military exercise because asean is not a military-power
organisation (just to make it clearer).

concerning nuclear power and technology, i think soon or later every nation
will at least think about it if not want to bulid it. yes indonesia has a
nuclear plant, but it is for research purpose. what research you ask ? to get
the safe nuclear energy. like i say, every country, i think, will build its
own nuclear power plant. if they want to expand it (secretly or not) to get 
nuclear weapon ? who knows ? again,trusting each other probably is the best 
policy while keeping alert all the time (not being scared-and-yell-'you-cant-
build-it-becuase-we-do-not-have-it' might help too)

and please, keep your head cool guys. i dont want any flaming. it's a waste
of energy      8-)

HSIAHAAN 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:02:57 GMT

esl_manager@uh.edu () writes:
: Hi soc.culture.asean readers,
: 
:	[deleted stuff]
: 	Are there any current studies being done at NUS or other governmental
: bodies on how the Singaporean community can absorb the influx of
: overseas immigrants? What are the possible conflicts that could occur or
: are occurring presently? Are there any research done to compare/contrast
: the problems faced at other countries; in particular, the U.S.? What are
: the impacts on the local job market when competitive foreign immigrants
: start to flow into S'pore? Is the government releasing any statistics
: about the true job market situation? How are the cultures of the
: immigrants affecting the Singaporean culture---diluting or strengthening
: the local culture? By and large, are the new immigrants willing to be
: assimilated into the S'pore culture, or are they persistently distinct?
: What kinds of problems will these issues bring to S'pore? Is S'pore a
: more successful cultural melting-pot than the U.S.? If so, how
: different? Do we have anymore land-mass to absorb more immigrants?
: 	These are but a few questions for the civil to discuss. I'm curious to
: know what others feel about this subject; especially, the Singaporeans
: themselves. Discussions from immigrants themselves are also welcomed.
: After all, we need to see both sides of the coin, don't we?
: 
: --
: Arthur

Hey, we are a market economy, the government don't really have all the
data about the job market. I think a good gauge of market conditions is
to keep track of the number of appointment ads on Sat in the Straits
Times. Currently, there is still quite a number of jobs available.
	As to Singapore becoming a melting pot, well, there is presently
conscious effort to ensure that the major communitites in Singapore keep
their own ethnic identities. I don't think Singapore will become a
melting pot in the near future, at least the government don't want it
that way.
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internet: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg
bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:41:21 GMT

In article <ges.31.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.043717.24986@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

>>Who defines 'bad language' anyway? Who's to say it ain't right. I'm sure
>>even Henry Higgins would have no objection to Singlish as a varient of 
>>English. Afterall, getting people to say Toe-may-to instead of Toe-mar-to
>>(or was it the other way round) is like debating over whether eggs should
>>be cracked from the big ends or the small ends.
>
>>Edmund
> 

>I would consider something as bad language if people 
>have to make unreasonable assumptions in trying to understand


Probably the people in that locality do not
have any  problem  understanding what's said.
Furthermore I am sure that's not what is 
used in written form. Definitely their laws
are not written in Singlish. 

>what is being said. I think I may have objections to Henry Higgins
>if that's the way he speaks.

Perhaps you don't know who is Higgins do you?  There is a very 
good probablity that he will object to Singlish 8) despite
what Edmund say 8).


Me Han Mann
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SCUDs and All that
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:49:52 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>chemical, and biological weapons, what makes you think that Iraq has not
>got nuclear bombs already, even now. Why do you think that Iraq is still
>confident despite being intimidated by U.S.A.?


Well Iraq was just as confidence before the Gulf war !! For that 
matter I think you are as confidence as Saddam too - with all the
bashing , your racist tactics is now even more subtle !

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: laicheng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Lai Cheng Lam)
Subject: MERDEKA!
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:21:20 GMT

Yo Malaysians out there!

Today is 31st August 1992 ie our 35th anniversary of Malaysia' Merdeka 
Day ... so I'd like to wish all Malaysians (wherever you are)

	S E L A M A T     H A R I     M E R D E K A  !!!

Elsie.
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