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From: arwoo@athena.mit.edu (Albert R. Woo)
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:40:25 GMT

In article <Bvz7p0.4zA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>
>	Well, we've been talking about Dana Barros and his 3-pt percentage
>	last year -- and about Trent Tucker's career 3-pt percentage --
>	but the question I put to U is -- who in NBA history has the WORST
>	3-pt percentage (min 100 attempts).  Take your guess and I'll reveal
>	the answer...
>
>	Jazzy J
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Is it James Worthy?  Lately, it seems like he's been around 25%, and 
I think his early years were pretty abysmal.  It always looks like he's 
shot-putting the basketball when he shoots a 3...  I'm also guessing
that he's tried more than 100 attempts in his career...

                        --Albert Woo

P.S. I'm still in shock that Ed Nealy hit 20 of 50 last season! :-)
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rosters? (KNICKS)
Keywords: rosters update
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:54:38 GMT
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In article <1992Oct09.144536.23969@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
> 
> I just read in the Raleigh News & Observer that the New York Knickerbockers
> signed F Eric Anderson, F Terry Dozier, F Louis Jeter, and G Gary Waites,
> yesterday.
> 
> What's up with that...
> 


	Practice fodder... Everybody loads up their training camp rosters with
NBA wanna-be's so that have enough people for full-court scrimmages and still
be able to rest people....



-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Marlboro, MA
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: First Round Picks?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:52:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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It seems that some significant talents have yet to sign contracts.  Many
said Laettner was brains VS Shaquille's pure talent in College, but Shaq at
least had the sense to get signed and get into camp on time.  What's going
to happen with these guys?  Will Mourning and Laettner be traded?  Maybe the
NBA should resort to third party salary arbitrators to settle these problems?
It seems that every year it's taking longer to get these College superstars
into camp.

Mike
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:47:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw10Fw.Gzu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Michael Hofsass <mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>	My dear demented individual, if you really and truly feel that 
>	Chicago is going to get past the New York Knicks, let alone
>	the L.A.Lakers, you really need to look at the rosters and the 
>	NBA schedule this year.

	Rosters alone do not determine a team.  U also have to have team
	play and team cohesiveness.  The Bulls lineup has played together
	for over 4 years.  New York hasn't even played a single game 
	together.  Will the chemistry on the Knicks work?  It remains to
	be seen.

	Even then, the rosters compare rather decently.  Let's look at them.
	
	Point Guard -- John Paxson vs. Doc Rivers
	Pretty even here.  Throw in Greg Anthony instead of Rivers, and
	Paxson wins out due to experience & the better outside shot.

	Shooting Guard -- Jordan vs. Blackman
	Jordan wins.  Hands down.  No slight on Blackman -- he's a great
	player -- but he's going against the best off-guard in the league.

	Small Forward -- Pippen vs. Campbell
	No contest.  Pippen plays both ends of the floor, unlike Campbell.
	In fact, the Knicks have no one at this spot to even defend
	Pippen.

	Power Forward -- Grant vs. Smith
	This is pretty even.  Both are good rebounders.  While Smith is
	more of a scorer, Grant knows his role and gets his points within
	the offense.  Both are good defenders.

	Center -- Cartwright vs. Ewing
	OK, here's 1 mismatch -- but Cartwright has been defending Ewing
	for years -- and in the past Ewing has had some problems w/ Big
	Bill.  And, throw in King, Williams, and Perdue, and U've got
	18 more fouls to play with.

	Bench -- Chicago: Armstrong, King, Williams, Perdue, McCray,
		          Tucker
		 New York: Oakley, Mason, Starks, Anthony, Davis

	This looks pretty even.  The Bulls have offense in King and
	Armstrong, and all-around play in McCray.  New York has plenty of
	rebounding in Mason & Oakley, and some offense in Starks.

	But U can't just look at the rosters and tell me New York is going
	to win.  There are games to be played.

>	But don't worry, Jordan can always play golf while the Knicks play the
>Lakers in the finals!

	Lakers in the finals would mean getting past the likes of Golden
	State, Portland, Phoenix, San Antonio, and Utah.  No easy task.

>	A Laker/Knick fan who is still laughing at everyone who 
>	cannot see the forest for the trees in the West!

	U wouldn't by chance mean Jerry West would U?  :)

	Jazzy J

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From: sgogte@cs.arizona.edu (Sushrut S. Gogte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: nba.c
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:01:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Could someone please tell me where I can get a copy of nba.c

Thanx,
	ssg
From: SOCC9241430E@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JACKSON,Chris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: NBA Moves
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:50:42 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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Some help needed if possible!  Would someone out there be able to reply
either through the news or through e-mail, the NBA moves that have off-
icially been made this preseason...with both veterans, rookies and fut-
ure draft picks? And would anyone have a revised (rough) list of rosters
as they now stand?

Any information would be appreciated!

Chris. E-Mail SOCC9241430E
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From: chrisgro@microsoft.com (Christopher Gross)
Subject: The case for the Utah Jazz 
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:59:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

>
>Utah is a streaky team.  They are just beginning to have a clue as to how to play
>as a team.  That's why they are dangerous.  People underestimate them.  But to say
>that they will beat the Lakers 4 of 4, well, all I can say is, wise up!

Streaky team?  This makes sense for teams like Indiana, but Utah must be
one of the most consistent teams in the league over the last several years.
Their pattern seems to be win at home, lose on the road, win 50+ games and then 
lose in the first or second round of the playoffs (mostly the former). And
while the fact that _some_ people underestimate them is more a consequence
of their small media market than their record, other organizations in the
league certainly don't, the Lakers included.  The Lakers were responsible
for one of Utah's rare home losses last year, but, and I may be wrong
on this, I think Utah swept the remaining 3 (possibly 4) games. Last year, 
of course was some what of a wash for LA because of the injuries, but over
the years, the Jazz and the Lakers almost always have pretty competative
series'.  

Regarding your comment about Utah not having a clue as to how to play
as a team I don't really know what you mean.  Utah has had pretty much
the same lineup (with some notable exceptions) and the same game plan
for a _long_ time.  They will have a different look this year with
the emergence of David Benoit and Tyrone Corbin, and the new presence
of J. Humphries, but otherwise, expect the same slow pace and physical
team defense.  A team's ability to play together can be influenced very
much by the quality of their point guard, and in that respect, Utah has
one of the very best.


>|> 
>|> Predictions for the Western Conference:
>|> 
>|> 	Utah 59-23
>
>You gotta be joking!

59 wins next year would be only a slight improvement from last year (55 wins).
Although I guess you have to take it on faith that the Jazz will be a 
better road team next year, it seems hard to argue with the fact that  they
have improved the quality of their team during the off season, (of course
so has everyone else).  59 wins may be a bit optimistic, but probably more
accurate than a 50 win prediction.  

Look in any preseason article.  Utah is picked near the top, along with
Portland and Phoenix, in the west and is given a fairly good chance of going
all the way to the finals.

				Chris Gross
				chrisgro@microsoft.com
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Earth to Ed Lor
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:28:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.125157.14970@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling) writes:
>in a follow up to my previous post about Kevin McHale's HUGE 3 against 
>detroit in '87 conf. finals, Andy@misha writes:
>
>>> If I remember the replays, that wasn't a 3, But that's not what the
>>> Refs saw.
>
>Are we now qualifying shots? the point was not to argue whether it was or was
>not "really" a 3, the fact is that it counted as a 3 and a 3pt attempt
>...[]...
>Look at the three Bird made last year against Portland, Clearly he took a
>shuffle step and a hop before that shot, but everyone will always talk
>about the incredible 3 Larry made. (as time passes the shot becomes more
>and more legendary.)
>                      Dewey

 hey Ed! where are you!  its the attack of the Celtic Phantom Buzzer-Beater
 3-ptrs all over again!  two more recruits!  what is it now? 8-14?  :-)

- nate
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:00:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2HtF.1FK
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>As a Bullets fan, I definitely would *not* make this trade. How good
>is Gamble anyway? He doesn't strike me as being all that great.

	Gamble is a solid player.  He's no all-star, but he's certainly
	a contributor for a good team.

>You make a good point about the top-10 players may turn out to be 
>busts, but why do they demand and the teams pay them such high
>salaries? 

	Well, U see, when a player is drafted in the lottery (Top-10),
	he is considered a superstar until proven otherwise.  That's why
	they demand the big $, and the teams usually pay them.  Usually
	the player drafted in the lottery are big-time college stars who
	have pages of achievements behind them.  Therefore, they think
	they're good (at least on the college level) and believe that 
	they deserve the big bucks.  And, the teams only has the college
	experience to judge them upon, so what can they do but oblige
	(if they really want the player, they'll pay him what they think
	he's worth).  Sometimes the players turn out to be busts -- but
	that's just what the gamble is.

	Just noticing, but in terms of drafting, basketball usually is
	the most foolproof.  Think of all the football Top-10 picks
	that never develop (1st that comes to mind -- #1 pick Aundray
	Bruce).  Or better yet, the baseball picks (Tim Foli a #1 pick?
	Shawn Abner?!!!).  At least in basketball, U usually don't go
	wrong w/ the #1 pick.

	Jazzy J

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From: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge)
Subject: Re: Bye Bye Fatman
Reply-To: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:58:38 GMT

In article <7147@transfer.stratus.com> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)  
writes:
> In article <Bw0tsv.Cx5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
(Jazzy J ) writes:
> > 

> 	The keywords being 'decent' and 'bench'. Not exactly what you  
would hope
> to get out of one of the 1st 10 picks of a draft!

This is exacerbated by the recent gross inflation of rookie salaries.   
It's one thing to feel like you squandered a top-10 pick on a solid bench  
player or a would-be superstar turned bust but it's a whole different  
question when you're wasting huge sums of precious salary cap money in the  
process.  These days, the top-10 (and the latter number continues to grow)  
players, no matter how overhyped or how truly geeky and untalented they  
may be, are demanding millions of dollars, because that's what their slimy  
agents tells them to do.  A few teams start signing these people, because  
they figure they have no choice and then away we go.....INFLATION!!!

Jeff Eldredge

New Jersey Nets -- '92-'93 or Bust!!!  (after which I cease being a  
professional sports fan) 
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:43:09 -0400 
From: Michael Hofsass <mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!
	<39151@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>



I could not have said it better!


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From: yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount)
Subject: Re: Alonzo Mourning, greedy SOB
Reply-To: yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount)
Organization: BNR
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:16:44 GMT

In article <7149@transfer.stratus.com>, halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim
Halpin) writes:
|>In article <1992Oct12.131439.477@brtph560.bnr.ca>,
markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
|>> 
|>> Now I am growing tired of Alonzo and his agent.  Alonzo won't take $2.1M
|>> and is looking for $2.5M.  Did he forget that just last year, the No. 1 
|>> pick Larry Johnson only got $1.9M (if I'm not mistaken).
|>> 
|>
|>	Did you guys get this upset last year when Larry Johnson held out
|>until the night before the season opener to get his first contract????
|>
|>	Do you think Mourning and his Agent have noticed that Gminski & J.R.
|>are the alternatives at center?
|>
                 
I had no problem with Alonzo's negotiations until he started 
demanding that the team trade away talent so he can have a little
more money. This comes after at least two players (Mugsy and J.R.)
renegotiated their contracts to free up more money for him. I used
to live in Charlotte. I don't remember the cost of living being
quite that high. They still have to sign Tony Bennett after this.
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From: mtobler@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Clippers; L.A.'s new team?
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:02:11 PDT

 
In todays L.A. Times the analysis of the Clippers latest trade started.
Larry Brown says the Clippers are taking a risk on John Williams
because he hasn't played in three years, more or less.  If Williams
can still play Brown figures the Gamble will have payed off.

My analysis of the trade is that the Clippers don't lose all that
much by giving away Bedford and MacLean.  There was talk that
Bedford might not even make the team.  And with Smith gone the
priority goes to signing Elmore Spencer and not MacLean.  Part of
the trade also included a re-structuring of Williams contract.  It freed
up another $100,000 to sign Spencer with.  Who knows where MacLean
would have fit in if he had stayed.  The Clippers are still rather loaded
at the forward position.  Manning showed improvement last year and is a
potential all-star if he plays like he did the end of last season.
Ken Norman is an underated player.  And Loy Vaught did a superb job 
filling in when Smith was injured at the beginning of last year.  He
was pulling down ten boards a game for a while and showed that
he had decent range on his jumper.  With Roberts, Spencer, and Williams
at least one of them is bound to show that he can play basketball
in the NBA.  Don't forget the bacourt is solid.  Harper is the star of
it but, Jackson can play and his numbers shouldn't be hurt by the fact
that he is now on a team that is capable of scoring 100+ points
a night.  Gary Grant also played alot of point when Rivers was
forced to sit out with a hang nail or severe bruise.  

A couple of questions to be asked:

How much do you think the the return of Magic pressure the Clippers
front office to do something so they reamined L.A.'s new team?


Also on a side note the Times reported that the CLippers Suns and San Antonio
are all trying to sign Vandeweghe.  Can this be true?  FOr the Sun's
sake I hope that this is one of those rumors that got out of hand.

to have such a busy off season?
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers 61-21, NOT!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:
>|> On top of that, Divac, is STILL not in my estimation, a real center.  
>|> Without Magic there to kick his butt and hand feed him he showed what 
>|> sort of player he really is. 
>
>Divac is still young, and impressionable.  Give him time.  Besides, name a few centers
>in the league (not the team's franchise player), who are really all that good.  Seems like
>the game has moved from a power center to depend more on the play of the team.
>One mongo center does not a team make.


The starting centers in the Finals last year will Bill Cartwright
and Kevin Duckworth.  Mark Eaton made it to the Western Conference
finals.

It therefore follow that a really good center is a *liability*, not
an asset.  The Suns will go all the way with Tim Kempton at center.

:-)

Tony
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: MIGHTY NUGGETS intrasquad scrimmage
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Ellis  Mutombo  Williams  look good
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:28:33 GMT



I wrote:
>There were two injuries: Anthony Cook hurt his right knee, it was thought
>to be a sprain, but will be examined more closely today.

Anthony Cook has been diagnosed with a torn patellar tendon, and is 
expected to miss the entire season.  Speaking from personal experience,
this is a rather nasty injury to rehab.  Cook has played only 80 games
in two NBA seasons, soon to be three NBA seasons.  Bad luck.

This leaves the MIGHTY NUGGETS with *zero* NBA-experienced players at
the big forward spot (where is Cadillac Anderson now?!).  Looks like
LaPhonso Ellis will play right away in Denver.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: question about nba.c
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:47:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: wavefron.610
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.235713.15353@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
>
>it compiles and everything but I keep getting an
>ld: -O: bad flag error..
>did i miss one of the options on the compiling command or something?
>i believed I typed in: cc -o nba nba.c
>thanks in advance for the help!
>
>ben

It could be that you typed "cc -O nba nba.c". Notice the upper case O.
On most UNIX compilers, the "-O" option is used to set a level of object
code optimization. And "-o" is used to set the output filename. (default 
is a.out)
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: trading Hakeem
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:07:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
From: childers@cse.unl.edu (scott childers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Mahorn back to Pistons?
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:20:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
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  This is just a rumor and I'm probably wasting bandwidth but I heard
that Rick Mahorn is thinking of coming back to the US.

Any verification (or proof against) would be appreciated :-)

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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: Idiots-Don't Post
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:23:50 GMT
Keywords: n


>Hey Jordan?! Ever heard of Magic Johnson? He's got 5 rings
>and he's been called the best player ever to live.
>And he's back. 
>Do you hear me knocking??
>I think you do and I think I'm comin in
>and I'm bringing Magic and 14.6 million other
>friends.
>

Are you serious????  Do you really think the Lakers are
going to contend, let alone challenge the Bulls????  WRONG!!!!
The Lakers are the second best team in LA, let alone the
NBA.  I got two words for Magic...supporting cast.  The
team is going to have a tough year adjusting to a new
point guard day in and day out.  And if you think that
Magic's contract is big, Sir Michael is still going to
get his....and he IS the best player EVER to play the
game!!!! (Regardless of ring count....)

Speaking for the Bulls fans out there.....
From: pfaust@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Paul Faust)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: first round failures
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:03:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

Last year the Warriors had 3 first round picks.  2 of them made the team and
1 went to Europe to play.  I believe his name was Shaun Vandiver (?).  Anyway,
I saw a short blurb in the transaction section that the Warriors had 
relinquished his rights.  Wouldn't he qualify as last??
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From: prasad@infonode.ingr.com (Prasad Challa)
Subject: Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkens?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.145434.23411@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.012505.23242@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> aflorjan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan S Florjancic) writes:
>>Yes, indeed, they did sign him.
>>I feel that it is a hell of a move...[]...
>>
>>Alan Florjancic
>
>  mmm...i dont like it for cleveland.  although i think dominique is very
>talented and gerald is NBA material, there is a Wilkins Curse to teams that
>have a Wilkins on their roster....
>
>- nate
>(nothing against dominique & gerald, you understand - its a jinx)


Also, IMNSHO Gerald and to a certain extent Dominique are not the most
intelligent players in the league. I have seen Gerald making some of the 
dumbest moves. If it is a crucial time I would not like Gerald touching the 
ball.

-prasad

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