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From: milliganc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: RE: Graffiti cars(was: Re: Thelma & Louise)
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:04:04 GMT

Hi, all!  Upon reading of the famed Graffiti coupe I imeadiately dug out an old
er edition of Rod & Custom magazine(Aug. '91). It had two articles in it on the
cars used in the movie. Here is a sumary of the articles and some info that we
all knew anyway.
  To start the Coupe is a '32...NOT a '34, but you knew that.  The same car
was repainted for the sequel(yes they did them back then too) More American
Graffiti, wonder were they got that title?  It also has a "cameo" apearence
in the movie The California Kid.  When the officer has the hood raised, it's
the coupe's 4 carb Chevy engine outlined w/ black cardboard.
  The car was already a rod when bought for the movie, Lucas
 (George, not Joe<-- a little British car humor) had one like it as a kid.  The
Merc, however was pure stock when obtained and hastily rodded it a few weeks.
How hastey? According to the guy who owns it now, instead of cutting the rear
window to fit, they shoved the excess into the trunk compartment.
  The coupe HAD been a full fendered rod w/ red & white tuck 'n' roll seats
and trunk that was dyed black for the movie.  The door pouch was added for the
"ticket scene".  The engine is '66 chev bolted to a Super T-10 4 speed tranny
w/ a '57 rear w/ 4:11 gears...."for better acceleration during race scenes".
If you remeber the bouncy stops the car makes at the red light and when Milner
comes to woody's rescue in the fight scene over the '58 Impala it's because
the car lacks rear shocks(I KNEW we forgot *something*!).
  The rear fenders were from the origanal steel, just cut, and the fronts were
made of one of those van spare tire covers(hey, pre formed, radiused metal...
use what works!)
   The chevy's, the coupe, and the merc all survive.  I don't know about the 
others(like that Vespa).  I'll have to rewatch the movie to clear up the
Falfa '55 issue.  The COUPE rides on CROMED revesed wheels, for some reson
I thought the '55 had American mag style wheels, more on this later.
                               Happy motoring,
                                     KILROY

PS: This same issue has a Very informitive article on Carson Tops. You know,
     those padded jobs like Clark Gable had on his XK-120.
    I read the mag. in the news stand of the local White Hen on week ends
    and buy it occasionaly(I've got 2 or 3 issues). It's the only one that
   constantly has OLD customs, not just "made to look old" resto rods.  $0.02
From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: 1969 Ford T-Bird
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:45:56 GMT
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> 	I am looking for a car to restore, in particular a 1969 Ford
> Thunderbird, like the one in Thelma & Louise.  

The Thelma and Louise car was something like a '64.  I think the 60-65 are
all of similar character, though the styling is a bit different each year
(consistently nice, IMHO, but always different).  By '69 the car was
starting to pig up, though it hadn't yet reached the Lincolnesque stage of
the mid-70s.  A '69 Bird looks vaguely like a Toronado of the same era.  

The '64 would be more expensive than the '69, but is hardly a rarity. 
Check Hemmings or the classifieds in a convenient big-city paper, or maybe
one of those "Hoss Trader Clyde's" giveaway papers.  In the mid-80s, I had
to pass up a fairly nice '69 offered to me for less than $1k and have
kicked myself periodically ever since.  A convertible version of either one
would be a lot more costly, of course.  

Finally, pick your car carefully.  A powerful, sporty car like this is
terribly vulnerable to being rednecked or teenaged.  However, if you cast
your net widely and are willing to wait, you *can* find one that is
decently priced and hasn't been thrashed.  

Good luck,
Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
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From: stnd@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Scott N. Dickson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:57:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.antique
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Dec16.192410.15986@MorningStar.Com> dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.142607.8179@athena.cs.uga.edu> tom@athena.cs.uga.edu (Tom Root) writes:
>I've always wondered about what they use in a movie when a really nice
>classic car gets destroyed.  Tom mentions a duplicate - is this a
>mock-up that just looks like the real thing?  Do they ever really
>destroy a classic just to make sure that the movie seems authentic?


Along these same lines.  A recent GNR video features Slash driving a
1966 G.T.350H.  Sure enough, it goes over a cliff and explodes (yeah,
I know...).  At any rate, you can briefly see that the car going over the
cliff is a fastback, not a G.T.350H.  The scene is well done.


Also, I believe the Thelma and Loise car is a '66.  I know the '65's had
a tailight bezel with vertical bars...








sd



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From: ribeiro@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Romeo Ribeiro)
Subject: 265/50 15 tires&rims
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:36:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
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	I have a set of four tires and rims for sale.
	              

	Tires: 265/50 15" BFGoodrich T/A radials
	Rims:  American Racing (mags) 15x7.75" five bolts GM pattern (white). 

	Two of these tires are almost new(less then 500 miles on them),
	and the other two are fairly good.
	The rims are OK but they need to be painted. 

	$350.00 obo
	 
	email any questions to:
	ribeiro@hplrbr.hpl.hp.com
	Romeo Ribeiro

	  

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From: bilge@maxim.com (Filippo Morelli)
Subject: Response to Wes
Organization: MAXIM Technologies Inc., Vienna VA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:28:47 GMT


> From: Wes Fujii                                                            [1]
> [1] Re: 265/50 15 tires&rims                                               [1]
> Date: Fri Dec 11 15:25:37 1992
> Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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> Lines: 29

Romeo Ribeiro (ribeiro@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com) wrote:
:       I have a set of four tires and rims for sale.
:                     
: 
:       Tires: 265/50 15" BFGoodrich T/A radials
:       Rims:  American Racing (mags) 15x7.75" five bolts GM pattern (white). 
:		[...stuff deleted] 
:       Romeo Ribeiro

> Doesn't sound like "antique" material to me, unless they are Goodyear "Redline"
> replacements but I don't recall any stock "antique" applications for this size..
> 
> Please don't cross-post into this group unless the stuff applies...
> 
> Wes Fujii

I usually hate to waste bandwidth on this stuff, but I recently had a similar
experience with someone who complained about my posting in rec.autos.antique.

Wes, since you are such a genius, we should have you judge what is antique and
what is not. In fact, we could probably just post everything to your mail account,
since you obviously know antiques sooooo much about antique automobiles. I enjoy
this netgroup immensely, short of the ButtHead postings like yours and this, Wes.


Sincerely,
Filippo Morelli
bilge@maxim.com

p.s. Romeo, those mags would look great on my 1964 (read it an weep, Wes) Chevy
Panel Truck with a Gail Banks Turbocharged 350, but I already have a set of mags.
Then again, a 64 Chevy Panel is probably not an antique, right Wes?
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:32:33 -0500 
From: "Daniel U. Holbrook" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Open vs Closed cars
	<Bz8F5L.5zr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

From a message by Michael T. Chaffee:

>However, the reason could also be that with greater demand for closed cars,
>they are originally designed as closed cars, and the cost of making them con-
>vertibles could simply be a reflection of retooling costs.

Well, the convertibles made nowadays, almost all if not all of them, are
originally built as closed cars, then shipped to some other outfit
(American Sunroof Corp is the largest, I believe) to make them into
convertibels.  The premium, then, comes not from the manufacturer having
to retool, but from the costs of this aftermarket manufacturing.  Also,
isn't it at some level just a matter of supply and demand?

Dan

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From: shiba@riffnique.csd.sgi.com (Richard Shiba)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:17:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: riffnique.csd.sgi.com

In <1992Dec15.142607.8179@athena.cs.uga.edu> tom@athena.cs.uga.edu (Tom Root) writes:

>The T-bird in Thelma & Louise is probably a '66 with a 390, but someone
>will correct me if I'm wrong.  A friend with a '65 told me that the
>movie car was a '66.   

	Just saw T&L on cable...it was a '66 (or at least that's
	what Louise said it was).  i concur on the engine size.

>I'll bet it was a duplicate that went over the
>cliff... If you watch closely you'll see that the car was disintegrating
>as it went through the air.

	All i saw was a hubcap trying to catch up with the car...
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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: 1969 Ford T-Bird
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:10:32 GMT


In article <Bz9I4D.n3F@news.iastate.edu>, paisley@iastate.edu (Dr. Martin Paisley) writes:
|> 	I am looking for a car to restore, in particular a 1969 Ford
|> Thunderbird, like the one in Thelma & Louise.  Can anyone give me
|> an idea of where to start, or perhaps how much I will have to pay
|> to acquire one of these autos?  I am planning on restoring it myself
|> 
I don't think you mean 1969. I think the one in Thelma and Louise was 
earlier than that by several years (and significantly different!). 
Perhaps someone else has more specific info on this.

Ciao
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From: rgrodr1@pb2esac.uucp (Robert Rodriguez)
Subject: Group Name Change
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:45:48 GMT

To avoid anymore non-antique type postings to this newsgroup
you all ought to consider a name change to something like:

rec.autos.snobs

or

rec.autos.pompous-fools

Jeez.


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From: etxgfn@eua.ericsson.se (Gunnar Forsgren)
Subject: Opel 1900 engine -66 colours
Keywords: OPEL 1900 engine
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:24:14 GMT

Does anybody know the exact colours of the -66 version of the
Opel Rekord 1900 engine ?

This particular first year of introducing the new OHC 1900 engine
it was painted in a light red colour. Does anybody have a
colour photo of the engine bay of this model or remember
how the original colouring was ?  All the hype sales brochures from this year
shows some shaded mystified post-coloured b/w-pictures of the
awesome 102 hp engine, not how it really appeared under the hood of
a production car.

Reason is I'm trying to have the engine look autenthic in an otherwise
completely restored car.

---
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S-126 25 Stockholm, SWEDEN            "102 HP GRRR!!"
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From: KAPLAN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Avanti
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:12:08 EST

In article <1992Dec16.112805.1@opie.bgsu.edu>
agretch@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
 
>
>Hi, everyone!
>Recently I saw a Studebekker's Avanti (sp?) which has a look of brand new car.
>It was shiny and luxury car with very nice interior and four doors. Again I've
>got impression that that car was constructed very very recently. I read that
>when Studebekker's last plant in Canada was closed there was a dealership in
>South Band, IN which kept producing Avanti for a while. My confusion is where
>that car came from. It did not look like rebuild or anything. It was brand new!
>Thanks in advance
>Alexei
 
I have a 1977 Avanti II which was made by Newman and Altman's Avanti Motor
Corp. in South Bend Indiana in the same factory by many of the same people
who made the Stude Avanti that was released in 1963 and 1964.  Studebaker
dropped US production and moved Lark (and I forget what else) production
to Canada.  The factory, tooling, etc. was sold to Newman and Altman who
sold the first Avanti II in 1966 - virtually identical to the original '64
except for Chev drivetrain (327 and TH350).  This continued until after
The death of one of the owners, when Steve Blake bought the company.  Blake
eliminated the chrome bumpers in about '82.  Later Mike Kelly bought from
Blake after a fiasco with poor paint wiped Blake out financially.  The
factory passed to J. Cafaro who moved the tooling to Youngstown Ohio.
Cafaro pulled several boners (like concentrating on a 4 door sedan) and
has had production drop to nearly nothing.  Rumor has it that 9 cars were
produced last year.  In my year, 1977, there were 146 cars produced - all
the original 2 door sports coupe.  Dealers say that special orders are being
taken for convertibles, but there has been no confirmation of continued
production this year.
 
                         ...Reid Kaplan
 
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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: FORD FALCONS
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 08:46:00 GMT

david boyd (dkboyd@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec10.213214.62086@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> bcw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN CHESTER WISNESKI) writes:
: >My family currently owns two '64 Falcons.  One is a show car, and one is
: >worked over a little.  I was wondering if anyone knows of a '64 or '65
: >Convertible for sale, and in condition to be restored.  It must also be a V8.
: 							 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: I *THINK* that all the convertible models will be V8s anyway. 

`Wrong!!!!!!!!!!
In 1965 my father had purchased a new falcon convertable with a 6 
banger.  I think it was about a 130 cu in size.  Cannot swear on
the cubid inches.  He ended up junking it out in 1970 because the
floor boards rusted to the point it was unsafe.  The body looked
go otherwise, and the engine was rebuilt twice in those 5 years.

: I believe
: that was part of the package, and I can't remember ever coming across an L6
: convertible.

You might find a lot considering that the old 260/289 engines were in demand
for replacements in mustangs and fairlanes.
: 
: David

dennis
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From: bilge@maxim.com (Filippo Morelli)
Subject: Items for Sale
Organization: MAXIM Technologies Inc., Vienna VA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:47:34 GMT


Wes writes:
> Sorry, I'm just one of those ButtHeads that is trying to keep this
> notesgroup "fairly" free of inappropriate postings.  I apologize
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Couldn't agree more, from a cross-post perspective.

> if I offended you.  It was not intended.
       ^^^^^^^^
hardly...

> *MOST* of the FOR SALE items in these notesgroups are just placed
> everywhere and I get tired of seeing them just because someone wants
> free and widespread advertising.

Agree completely

> We've all got stuff to sell (myself included), but I'm not going to
> clutter every notesgroup that I belong to with stuff that the
> majority probably isn't interested in.

No, no, no, the point here is lost. The net is a FANTASTIC place to find
parts and such for projects which are difficult on other mediums (the local
newspaper doesn't really work, for example). I wish more people listed
things for sale which they had no use for. I have sold lots of stuff which
I had no use for, and made others quite happy with the find!

Anyone in a "hobby group" like this one typically has projects going and the
need for all kinds of items. I've got one going myself and am keeping an eye
open for a number of items...

Filippo Morelli
bilge@maxim.com

p.s. Anyone have a pair of Recaro or Flofit seats they wish to get rid of?

p.p.s.  Anyone need a pair of 1970 Boss 302 aluminum valve covers?
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From: kbr@cbnews.cb.att.com (kenneth.b.reber)
Subject: Re: Avanti
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:26:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.112805.1@opie.bgsu.edu> agretch@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>Hi, everyone!
>Recently I saw a Studebekker's Avanti (sp?) which has a look of brand new car.
>It was shiny and luxury car with very nice interior and four doors. Again I've
>got impression that that car was constructed very very recently. I read that
>when Studebekker's last plant in Canada was closed there was a dealership in
>South Band, IN which kept producing Avanti for a while. My confusion is where
>that car came from. It did not look like rebuild or anything. It was brand new!
>Thanks in advance
>Alexei



Until just recently the Avanti II was made in Youngstown OH.  They
made the standard coupe (not a lot of style change from the orginal
1963-63 model), a convertable and a 4 door.  Studebaker did make a
prototype 4dr. Avanti that never went into production - it's located
here in Columbus.

BTW, I have the first Avanti II sold (in 1966).

Ken
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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: small block heads
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.104225.19936@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971 (bednarek@picard.med.ge.com) wrote:
>: Michael A Kreiberg (kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu) wrote:
>: : Hi there,
>: : 
>: : I'm looking for a pair of small block chevy fuelie heads.
>: : Either 1.94x1.5 or 2.02x1.6 the 461 or 462 casting with the 64cc  
>: : combustion chambers.
>: : 
>
>I'm a fireman in a small rural Wisconsin town.  We have a '57 Chevy
>firetruck, with the fuelie engine, and the heads you want.  The truck
>has 12,500 miles on it.  Oil gets changed every few months, or 25 miles,
>whichever comes first!
>
>You can't have it though, I asked about that a while ago.  It sure runs
>nice, though, and has decent power considering it's hauling a firetruck 
>around. 
>
Do they realize what they have there???? A complete, solid, number-matching
fuelie engine is probably worth about $10K, if the engine #s would match a
a '57 car or Corvette. I've seen plenty of fuelie and 2x4's setups without
a block asking $6k (of course who knows what they _sold_ for). If I were 
that fire department, I'd consider either selling that engine, or not
advertise the fact that there's one sitting around. That '57 engine is 
worth more than my whole '55 car!

I would have to agree with the previous posters on this topic. If you're
not needing them for an authentic restoration, and willing to pay dearly
for the priviledge, it's best to look for later model or aftermarket
high performance head.
 
Ted Brooks
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From: ribeiro@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Romeo Ribeiro)
Subject: 265/50 15 tires&rims
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:18:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
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From: hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto)
Subject: Re: Thelma & Louise
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:23:31 GMT

In <1992Dec16.192410.15986@MorningStar.Com> dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell) writes:

>I've always wondered about what they use in a movie when a really nice
>classic car gets destroyed.  Tom mentions a duplicate - is this a
>mock-up that just looks like the real thing?  Do they ever really
>destroy a classic just to make sure that the movie seems authentic?

	*sigh*  At least they used to. If you've seen 'Gone in 60 seconds'
	you can just imagine how many today's classics have been destroyed
	for the sake of movies past few decades.

	I don't think they wreck up _very_ expensive or rare cars but
	replicas nowadays... (Shelby Cobra, Lamborghini Countach,
	Ferraris etc.)

	I know the guy who owns the only original MB Waxenberger left
	(worth $2-3M!). They were supposed to wreck it for a cheapo
	C-class movie in the seventies... :-)

-Henri
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From: agretch@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Avanti
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:28:05 GMT

Hi, everyone!
Recently I saw a Studebekker's Avanti (sp?) which has a look of brand new car.
It was shiny and luxury car with very nice interior and four doors. Again I've
got impression that that car was constructed very very recently. I read that
when Studebekker's last plant in Canada was closed there was a dealership in
South Band, IN which kept producing Avanti for a while. My confusion is where
that car came from. It did not look like rebuild or anything. It was brand new!
Thanks in advance
Alexei