HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Perfect cast for _Interview_
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:56:49 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <xb9yx-+@rpi.edu>, battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:

> 	LESTAT:  JULIAN SANDS OR THAT BLONDE GUY FROM TREMORS
That blonde guy from _Tremors_???  You mean Kevin Bacon as Lestat?
I'm not sure I follow...  But Sands would be perfect.
 
> 	LEWIS:   CHRISTIAN SLATER, JOHNNY DEPP
Wasn't it Louis?  And Slater I would have to say no way to.  Too young,
and not the right type at all.  Depp has a better look for the part, but
so far the only role where I have seen any ability was _Edward Scissorhands_,
and that was a character role to say the least.
 
> 	CLAUDIA: THE GIRL WHO PLAYED WEDNESDAY IN THE ADDAMS FAMILY MOVIE
Christa Ricci.  She did do a great job as Wendsday.  Damn good choice.

And speaking of Vampire movies, has anyone else heard of the upcoming film 
starring Robert Loggia as a mobster-vampire?  I'll try to dig up some more
info on it.  Any theories on why we are getting such a flood of vampire 
movies recently?  What started it?  _The Lost Boys_?

Greg Bole                                         "Well ya killed the hell 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                       outa that fellow today."
                                                Clint Eastwood in _Unforgiven
From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Fiction vampire list, version 1.0
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:04:29 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep9.232625.3990@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> aaron@space.ualberta.ca writes:

>
>???
>   Darker Than You Think

Jack Williamson wrote it. Great story.

--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)     "I'll see you in the trees..."
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:53:56 GMT

In article <rodgers.715721993@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu> rodgers@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) writes:
>
>Oh yes, the film "Near Dark," recommended in an article about vampire
>lore which appeared in The Economist in the last year, should be
>added to the list (have not yet seen it, myself)...
>--
>R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.         (415)476-8910
>UCSF Laurel Heights Campus     UUCP: ...ucbvax.berkeley.edu!cca.ucsf.edu!rodgers3333 California St., Suite 102 Internet: rodgers@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu
>San Francisco CA 94118 USA     BITNET: rodgers@ucsfcca


See it.  It's not bad at all.  It was also directed by a woman, if I'm
not mistaken.  That's unusual for that genre of films.

-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
	          "Oh oh.  Looks like we need another Timmie!"
			   For Dinosaurs fans only.
From: cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chiara Noelle Sposato)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vamp Movies
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:19:24 GMT
	<Bu4xyt.BFz@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Organization: Junior, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How about:

"Dance of the Damed" (excelent-it is more of a psychological type movie
with                              
                      only 2 characters)
"Graveyard Shift I&II"(both good also more psycological than gore.in the
second       
                       the vampire look sort of like Paul Stanley for Kiss!)


Also there is an bizzare B-movie called "Bloodsucking Pharoahs(sp?) in
Pittsburgh" if you are from the area its fun to watch 

chiara
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Actual accounts...
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:44:04 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep11.131308.23679@cs.mcgill.ca>, zippy@cs.mcgill.ca 
(Fotis XIPOLITAKIS) writes:

> 	Everyone has been talking about Vampires in a finctional manner
> thus far... What about non-fictional accounts? People have mentioned the
> disease that was thought to cause people to act like Vampires... There
> was a discusion on our friend Vlad. From my understanding there is some
> type of institute for Vampire research somewhere out there...

This month's Premiere Magazine (October...don't ask me why) has some supposed
"facts" released by The Vampire Research center:

	Number of Vampires currently in existence worldwide: 810

	Number in California (the state with the most vampire's): 40

Glad to be of help.  (But there are really only 808 of us after that terrible
affair in Cerritos last year...)

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Reply-To: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 06:37:02 GMT

In article <Bu55KI.Bx2@mishima.mn.org>, tomg@mishima.mn.org (Thomas
Greenwalt) writes:
|>bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
|>>
|>> > P.S.  Of all the anti-vampire devices, the wooden stake 
|>>       through the heart is the best.  Works on all of them.
|>
|>Actually thats not true.  There is the japanese creature known as a
|>gaki that while not a vampire in the central european fictional vampire
|>sense is generally incorperal, which makes it hard to pound a stake
|>through it.  Also there is a chinese vampire which is an energy
|>vampire and also incorperal.
|>-- 
|>Thomas S. Greenwalt (Tom-Too)                                  (612)866-1344
|>7300 Nicollet Ave. S, Mpls, MN 55423                     tomg@mishima.mn.org 
|>-------------- Death: SEE! I HAVE TIME! AT LAST I HAVE TIME! ---------------
|>--- Alfred: And now that you have it, what are you going to do with it? ----
               
I was mainly refering to eastern European vampires (ala Anne Rice).
(I was also refering to mortals that just like blood : ^ )
I think there is also an African vampire that's invisible and an
oriental vampire that is a floating woman's head.  Anyone have 
any info on non-European vamps?

Brian /-|-\
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From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Being made...
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 17:05:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <something> kmoore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kyle E Moore) writes:
>     Just a sidenote... I found it amusing in Stoker's book, and in so many 
>other interpretations, that it was necessary to use the *Christian* emblems of
>the Cross and the Host to ward off the evil spirit.  What if the guy was 
>Jewish?

It is my impression that a Christian myth would rely on Christian symbols.
The folklore was maintained/created by Christians, so naturally the Cross was
used.  From a multicultural standpoint it is illogical, but it would be
awfully confusing to be a vampyre if there were thousands of religious
totems that would weaken one.

Some myths maintain it is the faith alone that foils the vampyre.  So one 
could use a Pez dispenser if one really believed in it.

Regards.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: The idea behind alt.vampyres
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:39:20 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Most pleased am I that you sponsored this newsgroup.

Gives me a place where I can talk seriously about the vamphyri (latin) and
their related friends without being asked where I escaped from..
(Renfield?  Is that you? Renfield?  Renfield!!!  Stop that!)

Just out of curiousity, (I want to hear some other ideas about this...)
What is the best way to destroy a vampire and be _sure_ that it won't come
back?
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From: cxw3455@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.X. Woodward )
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Originator: cxw3455@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:37:59 GMT

In article <1685AC79B.ADELEKTA@kentvm.kent.edu> adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu writes:
>On the subject of pentagrams:
> 
> As for their efficacy against vampires, I always thought that it was the faith
>behind the symbol that was repellant to vampires, and therefor any religious
>symbol would work (unless, I suppose, it was a religious vampire :)
> 
>anne

Well, this is also a 'Christian' slant on it.  But since thats a prereq for
this part of the thread.....

I don't quite recall the name, but there was a movie where a priest (who was
shown to be unfaithful and not compleatly believing) was struck down by a
vampire while holding a cross.  The quote from the vampire was something
akin to "The symbol in your hands means as little to me as it does to you."

I don't remember likeing that part though.  Right after that some kid picked
it up and 'holy'ed the poor vampire off before he could finish off the priest.

(In case you can't tell I like Vampires.  If only I could find one.)  :)=

								-Woody
From: jae@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: The Bitnet Vampyres list and pending book/movie list
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:23:40 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

As a long-time subscriber and denizen of the list, let me provide subscription
information for VAMPYRES@GUVM..

send to: listserv@guvm.bitnet
(no subject)
SUB VAMPYRES your name

The Listserv software requires at least two names, but pseudonyms are perfectly
acceptable.

As soon as you receive acknowledgement of your subscription, I recommend you
send the following to the same address (still no subject)
SET VAMPYRES REPRO

This will echo your mail back to you, as well as all of the mail on the list,
which can get to be quite a lot.

I'll be sending a message off to our book/movie/music list keeper as soon
as I'm done here to get the latest copy of the list for you.  It's quite a
large list... and I'm willing to bet that some of you have books, movies
and songs that we don't have on the list.

Let me stress that I don't think that the two groups - alt.vampyres and
VAMPYRES@GUVM - need to consider themselves competitors.  There are *plenty*
of night-folk to go around, and I've already seen a number of familiar faces
here.  I plan to cross-post between the two *whenever* I think all would
benefit.

What there is a growing shortage of is *victims*.  Especially virgins...

E. Bathory (and a cast of thousands)
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Just because you're a vampire, it doesn't mean you're not a nice person...
From: dars@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (David AR. Sanders)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: innocent blood
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:48:55 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Biotechnology, Tucson

In article <1992Sep11.172021.24687@emr1.emr.ca> gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns) writes:
>>perception, but gorillas do too, and they are herbivores.
>	Well, that seems like an evolutionary throw-back, since they are
>	descended from the same genetic tree as us humans.

Actually, gorillas are omnivores (eat both plants and animals), as are us
humans, so its not so much a throw back as an advancement. (why are we
discussing evolution here. ?? :-) )
>
>>be hard pressed to find a truer preditor than a 
>>great white shark.
>	Hmmmmm, how about humans ?

Nope, like I said above, humans are omnivorous, and that's definitely not
a true predator (in the usual sense of the word)

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco)
Subject: Re: Vampyres
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:40:26 GMT
Organization: Night People

In article <FABBOTT.92Sep10211031@e40-008-12.mit.edu> fabbott@athena.mit.edu (Freeland K Abbott III) writes:
>Uh-huh.  And then dealing with their initial horror at what you are
>(and they've become),

Fortunately, I would most likely get a good enough response that I
wouldn't have to do it unawares to them.  I have no interest in
forcing anything upon them of this manner (as if I really had a
choice), but I feel pretty confident that if I could do this at
least a few of the people I'd want to have around would want to
do this.

>or dealing through that
>change, then living with them (well, you *could* split up, but then
>you're back at the beginning, looking for companionship and
>protection) *forever*. 

Who says you have to live with them (I didn't say that did I?).  
Vampires tend to move around pretty quickly, so you could be a
good distance apart most of the time and just get in touch when
you so desired.  I have no desire to be with these people 24 hours
a day for the rest of eternity.  If I did, I wouldn't have left
them all on the East Coast when I moved west.


-- 
Paul W. Francisco        	    In the shadow an angel cries...
catcher@netcom.com                      - Front Line Assembly
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Vampire rpg
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:23:57 GMT

	The Vampire RPG has a novel interpretation of vampire lore.  All
	Vampires are descendents of Cain who are forced to relive Cain's
	sin of murder.  The Bible does mention that all Cain's progeny 
	will bear his mark (the vampiric curse) and says *somthing* about
	immortality.  Also, their vampires are not killed by a stake but
	only held immobile. Holy stuff has no effect, the only ways to
	kill them is fire, sunlight, or severe physical damage (tossing one
	into a log mulcher!). 
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:51:46 GMT

In article <Bu38Cz.H9L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mancinis@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (steven mancini) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.233139.22738@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>>
	[stuff deleted]
>>		

>
>There was also one of those Chinese-Fighting flick with a vampire villian
>as the major theme.
>
>
>							Steve
>
>

When considering Chinese movies with this type of theme, check out
"The Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires" with Peter Cushing and
David Chiang.  It's worth watching.  Pecualiar, yes, but definitely
worth watching.

-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
	          "Oh oh.  Looks like we need another Timmie!"
			   For Dinosaurs fans only.
		
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From: sauron@ascoli.WPI.EDU (Amy Rich)
Subject: Re: Vampyres
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:06:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.110552.7684@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Fantomas) writes:

>I would gladly give everything up to become a vampyre..I really would like this.
>Perhaps like would not be the right word, however, but... are there any 
>tales ofd folklore, or rituals or such that are said to turn a man into
>a vampyre? Or does it needs be that I be bitten by one, according to som
>legends?


well, i hate to jump on the "me too" band wagon, but......ME TOO!

i would actually like to meet vampyres also, so if any happen to get
this newsgroup, please send me some email   }*}

(please pardon the .sig, ive been using it as a mail trailer for quite
some time now)




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From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:18:11 GMT

albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
: In article <1992Sep8.191436.20221@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dars@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (David AR. Sanders) writes:
: >tHEre's is also another series of rather light, but fun vampire books, 
: >I can't remember who wrote them, but they all have "Blood" in the titles.
: 
: 	Pamela (I think) Huff wrote "Blood Price" and "Blood Hunt."
: Blood Price is about a Canadian PI who meets a vampire in her hunt 
: for a supernatural serial killer.  In "Blood Hunt", the two of them
: try to solve who's shooting silver bullets at a family of werewolves.
: Blood Hunt is better, IMHO, and has a great take on Werewolf families.

Tsk tsk.  As a proponent of Canadian SF everywhere, I feel compelled to
correct you.  It's Tanya Huff, not Pamela(but you did express uncertainty, so
that's alright), and the second books is called "Blood Trail", at least in the
edition I've seen.

Somebody has already asked for contributions to a list of nonfiction vampire
books, so I'll start a list of fiction vampire books.  See my next post for
more details...;-}

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"What have I done to piss the gods off?"  ---Terence Trent D'Arby
Current Album--Pink Floyd:A Nice Pair
Current Read--John Updike:Rabbit, Run
From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vlad Tepes, a defense
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:08:56 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <z8mn88=@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.195514.7700@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jhugart@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jacob Hugart) writes:
>>christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel) writes:
>>>rom the rumanian area... Vlad Tepes (tep-esh) actually cultivated the rumor
>>>that he was a vampire to strike fear into his enemies and the people he
>>>reigned over.  and the actual accounts of his death were never verified (not
>>>all that suspec though becaue who kept records back then?)
>>Ah, Vlad.  One of Europes nastiest despots.  Supposedly the model for Count
>>Dracula in the original book.  But not really the source for all the vampire
>>stories.
>
>I want to defend, yes, defend Vlad Tepes. He wasn't that despotic as people
>continually play him up to be. Oh, sure, I admit the given facts- he did
>drink blood, and didn't get the title 'Vlad the Impaler' because he liked
>shish-ka-bob :) but he was mostly just a product of his times- the middle
>15th century. What with Europe just recovering from the ravages of the Black
>Plague, France and England beating each other up for 100 years, the Germans
>(Hapsbugs) trying to dominate the interior and the final pressure (to which
>that entire area finally fell), the Turkish Ottoman Empire (to which Tepes
>and Rumania fell in the late 1460's).
>
>Tepes and his methods were no worse than those around him, just much more
>memorable. :)
>
>r.
>ps- I've got a more 'personal' stake (as it were :)...deep in the heart of
>the Transylvanian alps- south of the town Sibiu, is 'Rosul Pass'..my last
>name (of course, else why would I mention it :)

I'll second the defense, at least to this correction:  Vlad was emphatically
NOT associated with rumors of vampirism.  He was actually a very canny
chieftain, but didn't use that particular version of psychological warfare:
Given all the other things he did, he didn't have to!  :-)

On the other hand, not too far away, Elizabeth Bathory was bathing in the
blood of servants and kidnapped people because she had thought that some
blood accidentally spilled on her skin softened and whitened it.  Better
historical paradigms for blood crimes are to be found in Bathory and Gilles
de Retz (several variant spellings of his name exist:  cf. also Rais), as
opposed to the "Little Dragon."

Cheers -
		Claude
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Vampire short stories
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:06:30 GMT

It seems to me that the Fiction List is a bit short on short stories(no pun
intended, really...).  I can think of two offhand, sort of...

I recall a story by Richard Purtill called "Something In The Blood".  I read it
a few years back, and I somehow think that it was in an issue of F&SF, but it
could have been IASFM, or perhaps even Amazing.  Anyway, I seem to recall that
it involved vampirism as a cure for AIDS...

Another, whose title nor author I cannot recall, had a very novel idea.  A
Catholic priest becomes a vampire, and visits a Jesuit friend of his shortly
upon discovery of this, trying to reconcile his vampirism with his holy
calling, and wondering at God's intent.  The Jesuit friend goes through the
list of standard vampire vulnerabilities, and notes that holy wafers are
commonly known as anathema(and the priest has proves this)--but nothing at all
is said about sacramental wine, which is supposed to represent the blood of
Christ...  They hold an impromptu semi-Communion, and it turns out that the
wine transformed into the blood of Christ is sufficient to slake the hunger of
a vampire.  A novel idea, for sure, but all I've seen of it is the short story.
;-}  I'll check tonight, when I can use my computer to check my databases, and
maybe I'll find the title of the story, and post it tomorrow...

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"You better hope and pray that you're gonna awake
 Back in your own world..."
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.233139.22738@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>
>Yah, keep 'em coming.  Getting a good list.  I will post the final list after
>a couple weeks.  
>
>-- 
>      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
>	          "Oh oh.  Looks like we need another Timmie!"
>			   For Dinosaurs fans only.
>		

Definitely both versions of Nosferatu.  Also, Bava's Black Sunday (original
title: La Maschera del Demonio, 1961), sadly not available in video last time
I looked (anyone know any different?).  Also, Dreyer's Vampyr (1932).

Bit of trivia:  Max Schreck (the Industrialist from Batman-2) is the name
of the actor who starred in Murnau's Nosferatu.

			- Claude

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