HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:  MetalHead violence
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:40:07 GMT

 blayman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bram J Layman) writes:

|she would beworking the Metallica shows they were advertising on the 
|scoreboard.  She said she was and was unsure what to expect.  I told her I'd
|never seen them, but that she should not expect anything as easygoing as
|Deadheads. 

What a bigoted, self-centered, paranoid statement!!!
If you've never seen Metallica, just where do you get off saying that
Deadheads are more "easygoing?"  Do you believe everything you read
in the papers?

|(Flameproof:  I am not stereotyping Metal fans in this post
  ^^^^^^^^^^
Should read Brainless!  Of course you aren't stereotyping.  Stereotyping
requires that a generalize from a small number of experiences -- you admit
to _no_ experience.  

Actually you remind me the bullshit people with _no_ experience spread
around about Deadheads.  Why don't you go to a show and report back
later -- if you've got the balls.

Steve-TOO

"I just jumped the watchman, right outside the fence..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: LLAWTON@uscvm.bitnet
Subject: Till the Morning Comes
Reply-To: LLAWTON@uscvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:31:28 GMT

A lot of people have said recently that they think TTMC is a sexist
song, and I would like to argue that it's not.  Just so you don't
doubt my perspective on being a feminist, I've read feminist
sociological theory and I subscribe to MS magazine.  I also subscribe
to Esquire (A Magazine for Men) in order to learn how the publishers
portray the world.  Esquire (and presumably its readers) subscribe
to the myth that women are primarily for sex, and if you don't watch
out, they are dangerous.  Actually, Rolling Stone has that message
as well, although perhaps more subtly because it is not a magazine
purported to be directed at a male audience.  TTMC does not harbor
that mythic attitude.
I guess the offending lines are the chorus:
   Tell you what I'll do
   I'll watch out for you
   You're my woman now
   Make yourself easy.

The first two lines are not an affirmation of the "weaker sex" notion,
rather it's a confirmation of commitment.  Being watched out for --
being cared for -- are things women should offer her man, why shouldn't
she be nurtured in return, or receive love, when she needs it?
Most women have found out being in crowds, or in other situations
as well, is often a lot less threatening when in the company of a
man who feels some sense of responsibility.

The second two lines seem to bother people because they hear a
statement of possession, and that perhaps women no longer need to
lift their pretty little fingers.  Put on the pedestal, etc.
But I don't hear that at all.  A relationship doesn't have to be
one where thre's an owner and a possession.  I'm my brother's
sister, but I am certainly not in his possession to do with me
as he sees fit.  Sure, there are male-female relationships that
work that way, but that's not the one being sung about in this
song.  Being his woman means, "please don't sleep with anyone
else."  A good proportion of women would seek that kind of
relationship, and want the condition mutual.  "Make yourself
easy" means he'll do things to reduce her stress level.  Again,
most women want a man who could offer that.

As with all Dead songs (now that there is no Donna) the song is
sung from a man's perspective, but it doesn't negate the women's
side.  It's important to separate the song from the singer, but
to connect the verses to the rest of the song.  In this case the
entire song is loving.  In Jack Straw, the guy who says "we can
share the women, we can share the wine" is the same guy who
murders someone.  Do you assume the Dead are advocating murder?

There might be sexist songs in the Dead's repertoire, but they
aren't necessarily perspectives that the Dead hold.

leora
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: QUINAN@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Subject: Summer tour info, please?
Reply-To: QUINAN@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:28:13 GMT


Could someone please post or e-mail me the prices, reg. mail fee, and
PO BOX # (8150 or 8190?) for the dates so far (esp. Giants)?

Much appreciated,

-- John
quinan@acfcluster.nyu.edu
:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-0
From: jp@darkstar.com (J Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Obnoxious postal workers
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:54:34 GMT
Reply-To: jp@darkstar.com
Organization: The Internet

brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu writes:
(with regards to the post office)
| Other wise eventually they might go elsewhere to be served, and you
| would be out of business and a job.
| 

Gee, where else are you planning to go? Send everything Federal  
Express?

;-)

Jim
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                        jp@darkstar.com               (NeXT Mail)
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From: rips!rob@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Boulder radio DEAD Specials
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:53:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Apr10.175309.27318
Reply-To: rips!rob@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: The Internet

Just saw this in this mornings's paper. Thought I'd post it for the local folks.
	[ Reprinted without permission ] (of course)

DEAD AHEAD: The Grateful Dead will grace the air-waves three different times
this weekend. WDEN, 1340 AM is premiering a locally produced weekly hour of
Dead titled "Saturday Night Dead", airing on saturday from 10-11pm. Also on
saturday evening at 8pm is "The Grateful Dead Hour" on KGNU, 88.5FM. Produced
in Oakland, Calif., this show features live and recorded material spanning the
bands looooong career. (Hi David :-))  Finally, KRFX 103.5FM goes "Reelin' in
The Years" with the Dead on Sunday at 9am. Also featureed will be Todd Rundgren,
George Carlin, Rock News, Another Sixties Minute, and tunes from the Allman
Brothers band.

+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
                                             As of April 11 -> rob@cygnus.com
Rob Savoye                          Before April 11 -> rips!rob@solbourne.com
RIPS (Raster Image Processing Systems)           uunet!solbourne.com!rips!rob
4665 Nautilus Court South                    << KERNAL: Panic, core dumped >>
Boulder, CO 80301                         Darkstar crashes, pouring its light 
(303) 530-2910                              into ashes, reason tatters, ...
			YIPPIE ! New Job Time
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: star lake
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:43:35 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <AdtBmZa00VIGQHBGI7@andrew.cmu.edu> jc40+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan Paul Caron) writes:
>In fact, Starlake has been used as the Wheeling, WV stop on

	Yow!   My wife's from Paden City!  Looks like a good excuse to
visit the relatives...
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:  mail order
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:47:30 GMT

redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc) writes:

|>>I have never mail ordered before, and it seems from the posts in this

To which Lou responds:

|>       Try 415-457-8457 ...
|>                                                               wr

redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc) responds:

|I have called several times, but I don't remember hearing about some of the
|stuff I asked about in my post.

Must not be too important for Mail Ordering then maybe you should try
a different "Subject" heading.


Steve-TOO
From: csqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 3.5.92 Tape grovel (sorry!)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:02:36 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

well, since no one has posted a tree for hampton 3.5.92, can i ask
if someone out there has a copy of it?  i can trade, send blanks, send
money, promise my first born child, etc. :)

thanks!

- darren
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: madigan@mathq.albany.edu (Kevin Madigan)
Subject: mail order question
Keywords: 
 
Reply-To: madigan@mathq.albany.edu (Kevin Madigan)
Organization: Dept of Math & Stat, SUNYA, Albany, NY
Distribution: rec.music.gdead
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:40:07 GMT

If I sent my m.o. to PO Box C-S8150 for the Albany shows, does that
mean that I get no tickets? 
If I try to fix this by mailing another m.o. to C-S8190 will
that be a duplicate order? 
HELP!
From: dean@towers.rn.com (Dean Riddlebarger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Camping Near Deer Creek
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:44:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Small System Specialists

jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:

>is either highway or back roads.  Still, the Sig Inn Castleton is
>pretty well-run, clean, and very nice.

Within the next week or three I will post a comprehensive (well, sort of)
list of hotels, camping, restaurants, and other sights to see in the
Indy area.  I'll also start the planning for some net.gathering event(s).

>Indiana does have some conservative laws, but in my experiences there,
>as long as you "walk right" or appear that way, you'll have no problems.

Just try not to rape anyone....  

>Unfortunately, due to work and finances, I won't be at Deer Creek
>this Summer.:-(  And yes, for me, it's a *bummer*! So, it's up to
>the rest of you net.folk to maintain the new tradition of Deer
>Creek as "The Alpine Valley of the 1990s".

True, that's a bummer.  Just when I've found a very nice and eclectic
coffee shop right next to my new offices, where it looks like we can
descend on Monday the 29th, even up to taking over their sound system
for playing tapes....

Okay, we need to start a "Let's Get Catfish To Indiana" drive.  Lodging
we can arrange.  Now who'll kick in some gas money and intimidate his
supervisor....?

-- 
<*>  Dean Riddlebarger                        The bus came by,             <*>
<*>  Ameritech Information Systems             And I got on,               <*>
<*>  317-488-3067     dean@towers.rn.com      That's when it all began...  <*>
From: mjohnson@arms.gps.caltech.edu (Mary Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: kodo, zim and the monkey and the engineer
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:20:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Apr15.230440.22152@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> Jeff_Loomis.ESCP10@xerox.com writes:
>
>Mike Spitzer:
>|I remember reading in a copy of Deadbase a while back that the Kodo
>|drummers have appeared as guest artists with the Dead.
>
>Ah, my pet peeve in reverse.  Usually people are saying the guest
>drummer on 2/12/89 (a classic show, special guest night at the Forum
>round one) was Airto when in fact he was a Kodo drummer.
>
>jal.esae@xerox.com

That's funny, I heard that one guest drummer was Kitaro.  I also
heard that the guest drummers were Airto and his daughter -
think that was on the Airto and Flora Purim interview aired
recently on Thursday Lunch (KPFK, Los Angeles), but they might
have been referring to a different concert.

I sure miss LA concerts - great guest stars at the Forum, etc
(Spencer Davis, Bob Zimmerman, Gyoto Tabernacle Choir at Planet Drum...)

-- Mary Johnson
mjohnson@legs.gps.caltech.edu
From: v093p7m2@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (TONY BROWN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Starlake Amphitheatre
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



   Does anyone know anything about this venue in Pittsburgh?  I'd like to
mail order for it but I don't know anything about it.  Thanks for any info.

Tony
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Wrong Rat
Keywords: Not A Word!
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:26:58 GMT
Followup-To: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:-)
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA

In article <1992Apr8.174737.6119@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> libapm@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Anne Mosby) writes:
>
>Both of you lighten up!  

OHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: jurista@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.jurista)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: sickness (was metal head behaviour)
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:37:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr9.214924.2830@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, by Kent Stewart <kstewart@td2cad.intel.com>:
>  
> I think rude, aggressive, and sexist behaviour is going to be
> somewhat inevitable amongst young fans of groups whose main posture
> is just that. Rude, aggressive, self-centered, and often sexist.
> That's one way of relating to the world, whether I agree with it
> or not.

I don't (DO NOT) want to start another flame war on 'misogynistic' lyrics.
But before everyone gets on his/her high horse about metal lyrics, let's
not forget the lyrics to some popular Dead tunes:

"If I had me a shotgun, I'd blow you straight to hell."
"Couple shots of whiskey, women 'round here start looking good."
"...head's all empty and I don't care."

and a plethora of other examples.  Many of these themes are common from the
early blues ("big leg woman, sure got something good..." etc.).  They've been
with us for a long time, and despite the fact that many of the sentiments ex-
pressed in these songs are repugnant to me, I listen to and enjoy the songs
anyway.  Why?  I don't know, it could be the music, it could be that I see
the singer's tale as an interesting bit of folklore.  How is it different in
metal?

Granted, the Guns N Roses album cover (that's what the robot-rape painting
is, the original album cover for 'Appetite for Destruction') is sick and
inhuman.  Anyone who can look at it and applaud what it depicts is not someone
I'd like to know.  I can't give them an excuse for that one, they're just using
the most extreme image they can find to shock everyone, it's part of their
'act', but it's still wrong.

Grouping bands like Whitesnake, Guns N Roses, Def Leppard, etc. together with
Metallica or Megadeth is wrong, though.  Metallica has never recorded a song
about a woman PERIOD, except Lady Justice as a metaphor, nor have they ever
used images of women being degraded in any way in their merchandising.  In fact,
they're one of the admittedly few metal bands I know with a social conscience.
They have songs about the horrors of drug abuse, environmental destruction,
war, and televangelism.  They don't glorify any of these topics, they use
strong imagery to protest them.

To sum, don't stereotype all metal BANDS into evil, woman-hating neanderthals.
There ARE thoughtful, reasonably respectable metal bands out there.  I dislike
most metal, but Metallica and bands like them are among my favorites in any
kind of music.  

One last thing:  lest you think I'm bananas, I'd still rather be among the
fans at a Dead show than a metal show.  Usually the maturity level is a bit
higher.  

Flames to jurista@llssak.attmail.com, or to the above address.

Peace,
Jim
From: rainbow@mydland.Eng.Sun.COM (queen of infinite space)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Heads and Feds
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:49:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mydland

I remember it well, but alas no longer have a copy.

I do, however, have another board game, printed and
distributed in Berkeley and I don't know where else.
It's called DEALER McDOPE. Board game, players land on
exotic cities to do their buys and then on American cities
to sell. Usual hazards (busts, setups, squelches) abound,
issues of trust/cutthroat competition emerge - very much like
life, I'd say (-:

Still, a very fun game. Anyone wanna play?

Cheers,
Rainbow




--
There's a band out on the highway
They're high steppin'into town
They're a rainbow full of sound
It's fireworks, calliopes and clowns
From: kdomb@ctp.com (Kevin Dombroski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Lost Sailor in 1992 ????  Yippee !!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:16:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ctp.1992Apr7.131613.16757
Distribution: na
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <1992Mar31.224612.16560@wam.umd.edu> begonias@wam.umd.edu (Jeremy Ritzer) writes:
>
>
>	If you check out the brand-soanking new copy of Golden Road, you
>will see in the interview with Bobby that he says that Lost Sailor is
>"on the bill for this coming year" (quoted in January).  Way cool !!
>He blames Mickey for screwing with it t in the past: "Getting the rhythm
>section to understand the feel is the big thing.  During a ballad you
>can count on Mickey to play twice as much as is appropriate, as often as
>not.  And with that particular tune, if that happens it'll kill it."
>	Say it ain't so Mickey !!!!!!
>

Very cool... I had the pleasure of meeting Bobby last fall. My friend and I
asked him about why the band doesn't do Lost Sailor any more. He replied
"It'll come back around. I've got to teach it to the band..." I thought that was
pretty funny, but I guess he was serious!

				bosco
-- 
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Kevin M. Dombroski                  | "One good thing about music,
Cambridge Technology Partners       |  When it hits, you feel no pain...." 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Subject: Definite Albany Hassles
Reply-To: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:09:40 GMT


In a previous article, andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com () says:

>The preparations of the preserve will take place during
>the previous week.  The bottom line to this is that it is very possible that
>the Corning Preserve will not be available for camping or other sundry Dead
>activities. 

A guy on Terrapin has been in touch with Mayor Whalen of Albany to try
to set up recycling bins, etc for the shows in June and yesterday
he received a letter from the mayor stating the the preserve along with the
parking under 787 (interstate?) will be off limits to fans of the band.

He also went on to say that the city is asking the promoters
to come up with substantial amounts of cash to pay for the 
extra security to ensure that there aren't any problems between the
regatta and the shows.

Although this message may not protray the Mayor in a good light
I am under the impression that he is very cool, but is in a very
bad logisitical jam.

Albany will be a nightmare, sandwiched between some larger venue
shows, with multitudes of ticketless heads with no place to go.

My .02 is if you don't have a ticket don't go, but we all know
that already, don't we?

FWIW,
Rich
-- 
*****************************************************************
*   Rich Wainwright               Some folks are electricians   *
*   BG377@cleveland.freenet.edu   others plumber's wives.       *
*****************************************************************
From: Ward_Travis@TRANSARC.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: The long wait
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:55:58 GMT

X51A@slumus.bitnet (x51A) writes:

>> Well, now its the long wait.  If anyone nows how long it ususlly takes
>> to recieve your tickets, I'd love to hear from you.  Get pyched for
>> summer tour.  Can't wait for June 14, see you all there!!!

Joe, you have contracted a common ailment, MOSS. Mail-Order Stress
Syndrome. Usually, this takes about three weeks to set in, and is
aggravated by posts to RMG-D about rumors to the effect that tickets
have been processed. Dust off the tape case and relax -- the tickets
will arrive probably third week of may at the earliest.  Actually, as
there are an unusual number of arena shows for this summer tour,
things *might* be faster... but why rush it? I enjoy expecting them
later than they arrive... but I agree, I still get anxious about my
tix.

-wt
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: RE: Sorry, Deer Creek
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:08:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbeh.1992Apr10.150817.1078
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Sorry about the previous message, I'm learning..........
Anyway, I just found this site and thought it interesting that
Deer Creek announced their summer line up here in Cincinnati this
week-- with no Dead dates on it. Just goes to show you never can 
believe the powers that be!!! Looking forward to seeing you all 
this summer, I'll be in Deer Creek, RFK, Buckeye, and Star Lake
if all goes well!!! Could someone please repost the Deadbase e-mail
address?     Thanks, and Peace!!!!

P.S>   yes, I am new to this FAQ. Any Cincy heads or anyone else that 
would like to say hello may reach me at RADEMAEW.UCBEH.SAN or the address
listed on the descriptor. 
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Randy Schechter <randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov>
Subject: Camping in the D.C area---WARNING!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: randys@sun1.wwb.noaa.gov
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:08:36 GMT

Someone on the net recently inquired about camping in the D.C. area
for the R.F.K. show and someone else replied that the nearest campground
that they could find on their map was in Greenbelt, Maryland.
Now I live in Greenbelt and there is indeed a National Park campground
located here about 15-20 minutes drive from R.F.K. Stadium. Be advised
however that the last few times the Dead have played this area (Crapital
Center or R.F.K.) the DEA have run undercover operations in the Grennbelt
campground leading to dozens of arrests each time!!! The sneaky basta$#ds
dress up in tie-dyes, attempt to buy certain restricted substances and then
promptly bust you if produce anything( even if you're not selling it).
Undercover police also stake out the Park Gate looking for people
driving with open beers. I took my bicycle over to the Park a couple of
years ago just to check out the scene and witnessed this operation in action.
I talked with some Pennsylvania heads and they told me the people in the next
site over had gotten busted the night before. So the point of this post
is that if you plan to camp in Greenbelt, be very discreet and careful about
what you're doing and who you do it in front of. The campground itself is a
nice place to hang out otherwise--a quick drive to the show, and the
campground is usually full by the day of the show with mostly unsuspecting
Deadheads. It kind of bums me out that this goes on cause I used to like to
go to the Park to try and meet up with some potential new friends-- now
most people (wisely) treat a stranger with at least a little suspicion
(I'm 36 years old so I naturally am viewed with alittle extra suspicion
in these circumstances). Anyhow, just a word of advice to:'Lets be careful
out there'   Take care and hope to see you at R.F.K.
               "You know all the rules by now
                and the fire from the ice
                                              Peace,   Randy