HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington)
Subject: Re: Dumb, Sheltered College Puke( wasRe: Perot hang'in from a willow tree)
Keywords: WRONG NEWS GROUPS....
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:37:00 GMT

In article <Apr.6.10.47.54.1992.6323@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
|I think we should legalize recreational drugs and treat them the
|way we treat the alcohol and tobacco industries.  Tax them.  The
|government is missing out on a great source of revenue here.

I have always found this to be a strange point of view.
Just which drugs are recreational and how do you define them.
If you are going to legalize only a subset of drugs, there will always
be a market for illegal drugs and a criminal element to service the market.
The only way to eliminate the criminal market would be to remove all
controls from drugs.  I don't know who would be interested in manufacturing
or distributing recreational drugs.  I suppose the tabacco industry
would pick it up.

>
>The citizens of this country have the right to choose for themselves
>what they will and will not consume.  Just because its bad for you
>is not enough for the government to ban it.  Do they ban tobacco?
>Do they ban animal fat? 

They have the right, but they do not have the right to ask
for a government safety net when they mess up.  While you are eliminating
laws regulating the sale of recreational drugs, please eliminate programs
to aid users of said drugs including tabacco and alcohol.

Animal fat?  Not controlled yet but labeling seems to be catching on.
From: pas@anchor.unh.edu (Paul A Sand)
Subject: Re: Bill Moyers: Listening to America
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:35:37 GMT

jm> == Jim Mason

jm> I wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'real America'. Given  its
    head, it would hang all the 'niggers', burn all the 'fags'  torture
    all the 'impure' and use state power to indoctrinate  the children
    into a fine upstanding intolerant version of  the christian
    religion.

jm> Was watching a documentary about Andy Warhol the other night.
    Running thru his origins they ran thru a number of 50's newspaper
    columns very quickly. One momentary flash showed an article entitled
    something like "Government assistance sought in monitoring
    "perverts". This is the heart of the 'real' America ... fearful of
    the different, murderous towards the non-conformist, willing to use
    state power to maintain the status-quo to the n-th degree.

jm> Can you say "Tyrany of the Majority" ? The 'real' America is 
    semi-literate, superstitious, mal-educated little redneck  scum
    steeped in violence, prejudice and intolerance. It's not  so
    different from other 'civilized' countries in these  sentiments
    either. If you value freedom - don't evoke the  great silent
    majority again. Democracy loses its utility as  soon as one group
    learns to use it to screw another group.

I've reproduced Mr. Mason's misanthropic rant in all its glory so that
readers can verify that he offers not one whit of non-anecdotal
evidence for his dreadful assertions. Surely anyone with a nodding
acquaintence of recent pop history will Andy Warhol was *not* burned at
the stake by Mr. Mason's 'real' Americans; instead, he was made rich
and famous instead. (He was also miserable, of course, but that seems
to have been largely a self-inflicted problem.)
-- 
-- Paul A. Sand                | We regret the inconvenience.  We're doing 
-- University of New Hampshire | everything we can, which is nothing.
-- pas@kepler.unh.edu          |     (Paul Vixie)
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From: mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: Lib. prevention of pollution
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:51:44 GMT

From article <1992Apr10.135326.26480@unx.sas.com>, by sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden):
> In article <1992Apr9.225651.17632@vexcel.com>, dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:
> |
> |I think a key thing here would be to get rid of corporate shields.  If
> |the result of corporate misdeeds of any type was that executives went
> |to jail (or paid the fines personally), rather than passing fines on
> |to shareholders or consumers, even a small percentage of convictions
> |would have a significant deterrence.
> |--
> |
> |               dingo in boulder        (dean@vexcel.com)
> 
> Words fail me in expressing how completely I agree.  Yes! And yes again!
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
>         Hellenic poet of the same name.  |

YES, and the biggest corporate shield is that the owners of corporations
are completely and totally immune from prosecution for the torts of the
corporation's officers.

The corporate officers are employees of the owners.
And, the owners should be held liable for the actions of their employees.
That is the way it is in a non-corporate business.

There is no ethical reason why corporations should have limited liability.
Limited liability is a privilege granted by government.

Our constitution actually prohibits this grant of privilege.
In England, the King granted titles of nobility which created
government-protected monopolies and limited liability.

Our Constitution says, "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United
                        States."

In England, Nobles were exempt from the law of torts.
They had limited liability.

Today, owners of corporations are exempt from the law of torts.
That gives them limited liability.


---------------------------------------------------------
I prefer a small government which may permit some evil to
a large government which promotes evil at my expense.
---------------------------------------------------------

Michael Lee
mlee@esd.dl.nec.com
214-518-3807
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:16969 alt.individualism:2285
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: The Character Issue in Bipartisan Perspective
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.224947.27059@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <RV.92Apr7195936@cslab8a.cs.brown.edu> rv@cs.brown.edu (Rodrigo Vanegas) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr4.223815.3029@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>>>>  The Character Issue in Bipartisan Perspective

>>>>  Bill Clinton:
>>>>    If he lied to his wife, will he lie to the country?

>>> The answer to this one is yes...Clinton lied to the voters in Florida
>>> about Paul Tsongas, and he is lying this weekend to the voters in New
>>> York about Jerry Brown.

>>Why?  What did he say?

>Clinton ran radio ads, I think, implying Brown was against a woman's
>right to choose....in Florida, he tried to scare seniors and Jewish
>Americans by lying about Tsongas, in NY, he tried to scare women
>by lying about Brown.

Brown *IS* against a woman's right to choose.  Or at least doesn't
support it very strongly.  Even the Village Voice, which endorsed Brown,
called him the weakest of the Democrats on abortion rights.

He once said "killing the unborn is crazy," after one of his
pilgrrimages to Mother Theresa, and he wrote a letter to Gov Bob
Martinez of Florida asking to him to release an Operation Rescue person
from jail -- she was sent there for breaking and entering and vandalism,
and threatened to do it again if released.

>Clinton is a liar!                          

>Gerald


-- 
David M. Nieporent              |ALEast 92: 1.Baltimore 2.Boston 3.Toronto
niepornt@phoenix.princeton.edu  |4. Detroit 5.Milwaukee 6.NY 8.Cleveland
"Baseball stathead, and card-carrying member of the ACLU.  And proud of it."
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From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Elections in the Mother Country ...
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:15:32 GMT
	<1992Apr10.042125.18369@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

Andrew Baker writes:
>If you look at the 15 American presidential elections from 1932 to 1988,
>incumbents have run 11 times, and won 8/11 of these times.  The three
>losers were Hoover (depression), Ford (Nixon appointee/pardoner), and
>Carter (stagflation, military weakness, and malaise).  Bush is clearly
>in better shape by this standard, so I was estimating 2-1 odds in Bush's
>favor.  British and American elections have been fairly correlated in
>recent decades, so if the Tories really win, this may make it as much
>as 3-1 (although that's probably pushing it).

But there's a problem with your analogy.  Although the Conservatives have
managed to hold on to their majority in Parliament, they have _lost_ seats.
So even if this correlation you have noticed is a more than a coincidence,
it doesn't give any unmixed prediction about how things will go in the
US this fall...

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Even the Pro-socialized Medicine Types Hate It
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:13:08 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)


Considering that none of the half-cocked plans described in the New
York Times look anything like the plain, straight-out insurance* that
pays private medical practices and public/semi-private hospitals in
Canada, Germany and France (hey, just ask Georges Habash! (-;), no
surprise there.  But as long as "not invented here" thrives and the
U.S. can't swallow it's pride at how other western free market
democracies do it, well ...

(*Not that it won't stop some folks lumping them into "socialized
Medicine" with what British Labour made into the NHS and what they had
in the Eastern bloc -- and not that I'd ever expect them to travel to
Canada, France and Germany either (-;).

gld

(Manitoba Health Services Commission, member account #912398
... I didn't leave home without it! (-;)
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				U.S. Elections 1992, Vote Now:
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		a) Elvis 50's stamp, or
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			b) Elvis 70's stamp?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Why vote Libertarian?
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:01:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: drutx.15188
Distribution: usa,local

In article <visser.702751432@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
} 	Company towns and the rules by which they were ruled are not
} some abstract idea, they are part of history.

Yes.

} The Liberitarians wish to 
} bring back all the "bad" of the late 1800's without offering any solutions
} for the problems which created the system they hate so much in the first 
} place.

Government did not do away with company towns -- a few, in fact, still do
exist.

For the ones that no longer exist, it was the companies themselves that
did away with them.  Why would we want to bring them back?
--
David Olson ...!att!druwa!dlo
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they
can bribe the people with their own money."  Alexis de Tocqueville
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:17551 talk.environment:1424 alt.activism:7458 rec.nude:2092
From: AIESEC - Ohio State <aiesecrs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozone hole farce? (was Re: Ozone problem burns Politically Correct
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:48:46 GMT

)
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ncwil.edu> <1992Apr02.120420.20979@anomaly.sbs.com> <1992Apr4.023330.20169@mete
or.wisc.edu> <1992Apr04.134247.2962@anomaly.sbs.com> <Apr.4.19.47.08.1992.11148
@math.rutgers.edu> <ku8oksINNd
Organization: The Ohio State University
Cc:
Bcc:
In article <4568@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> you write:

>I agree with what most other people have said in their follow-ups. NASA is not
>bullshiting just to get money. (Did anybody see the farcial Channel 4 (UK) pro
gram
>claiming that global warming was a similar "trick" to get more money for resea
rch?
>fucking crap is all I can say)

NASA's budgets are on the verge of being slashed this year to balance the U.S. 
defecit, for anybody who cares to know.  I think the "ecofreaks" that this 
poster's organization states they are, are simply living up to their name.
>
>anyhow, one point that (I think) has been missed is that the effects of ozone
>depletion are probably much WORSE than we see now (the effect has been hidden
by
>something but it slips my tired mind exactly what it was now).
>
>and just to reinforce; the volcanic eruption has had an effect on O3 (as in de
pleting
>it) hence the major worries over N. hemisphere about the effects THIS SPRING/S
UMMER.
>

We will see.  I think you are mistaken.

>all the best (and dont forget yer sunglasses and protective skin blocks)
>

Ha, ha.  Is it my imagination, or do wierd ones only come out at night?

R. Scharfy
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From: jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com (Jack Reed)
Subject: Re: Drug Legalization.  Was: College Was: Perot
Reply-To: jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:10:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.171124.21483@kpc.com>, emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
> 
> 	I'm among those who thing the War On Drugs isn't working. But,
> I think our system of "punishment as the only deterrent" isn't working
> either. But leagalizing drugs is a much more complex issue than described
> in Mr Davis's post. 

I'm not going to argue the pros and cons of the previous arguments. But I would
like you to ponder this quote from Tom Peters, author of "In Search of
Excellence".

From his column of 3/31/92, "Curb the drug war's fearful excesses.
A federal warden says that if our prison population continues to grow at the
current rate, half of us will be in the slammer by 2050. It sounds funny, but
it's no joke. And our military has no business chasing coca planters in Latin
America. The answer is clear: the politically incorrect L-word. Legalization of
marijuana for starters."

I for one have neither the desire or inclination to spend my time in a federal
penitentiary for a victimless crime. We _can_ figure out how to do this.

Jack Leonard Reed
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu (Don McGregor)
Subject: Re: more info on Perot: 1st article of 2
Reply-To: mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu
Organization: Oregon State University - Univ. Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:31:59 GMT

Ron Dippold writes
><SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>In 1978,the average age for our airlines planes was 7.56 years.  Today, it
>>is 13.5 years. In comparison, the average age of European and Asian planes
>>is 10.4 and 8.7 years respectively.
>
>If the planes are still safe after 13.5 years I don't see a problem
>with this.

This is another meaningless statistic that's fairly representative of the  
methodology of "What went wrong?".  The authors are attempting to show that  
airline safety was adversely affected by deregulation.  They find a  
statistic for average aircraft age.  What does this say about airline  
safety? Nothing.  To do that they'd have to show deaths per passenger mile  
increased.  I don't believe they have. (Based on memory from statistics  
quoted in Av Week).  Average aircraft age is a non-sequitur artfully  
introduced to give the _impression_ of decreasing saftey, despite the fact  
that exactly the opposite has happened. 

--
Don McGregor             | California danger signs: you own more pairs of 
mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu| shorts than you do long pants.
From: chajakis19@DESCI.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU (Emmanuel Chajakis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Questions (Repeat)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:03:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: desci.9204151603.AA08349


Dear friends,

I am repeating questions I asked yesterday. I am particularly
interested in the first of them, because I know someone who
is a diabetes patient and will be very much affected by the
outcome of the vote. Could someone out there give me an answer 
to the following questions?

1) What happened to the issue of President Bush's ban of 
   fetal tissue for the treatment of some diseases like 
   diabetes etc.? A bill was passed by both the Congress and 
   the House about using them, and it was vetoed by the President.
   What is the status of the veto? Has it been overturned?

2) What is Bill Clinton's position on public financing of 
   congressional elections?

Thank you very much in advance.

Emmanuel Chajakis,
Decision Sciences Department,
The Wharton School,
University of Pennsylvania,
chajakis19@desci.wharton.upenn.edu
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From: wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:49:15 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <TB40iB4w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>> He's probably not the worst we have to deal with in our
>> lives, but he's close enough so the differences aren't very
>> important.
>
>Of course it is everyone else that has the problem... RIGHT JESS..
>
>-djk

Coo-eee, Danny-boy ?? I'm here! And you are right I've got a problem...
...How to get you into my bed for a night of Fulsome Passion...

Frankums.
______________________________________________________________________________
        This pink triangle was drawn \bi/ Francis Joseph Wells
B4 f t g++ k+(+) s+ p                 \/                    wells@hci.hw.ac.uk
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: more info on Perot: 1st article of 2
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:34:21 GMT

In article <82A602f5c8ss00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>
>[Perot on] Deregulation of airlines:
>
>  "A sad situation brought on by people who don't understand business.  If
>and when I"m ever up here, I do understand business and we will not implode
>whole segments of an industry... The fact is we didn't get cheaper airplane
>tickets, we got more expensive airplane tickets."

I believe this is factually incorrect.  Does anyone have the exact figures?
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pinky@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Burbank)
Subject: jerry brown info
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:47:52 GMT

anyone who wants jerry brown info, i got it.  email and you shall
recieve.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:18112 alt.politics.elections:890
From: pjt@vipunen.hut.fi (Pekka Juhani Taipale)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Actors for Presidents unlimited (was Re: Acting!!! "Government ...")
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:18:02 GMT
Reply-To: pjt@vipunen.hut.fi (Pekka Juhani Taipale)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <1992Apr13.120321.13363@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.152220.30984@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>Has Ahnold Schwarzenegger expressed any political ambitions?
>>He is a Kennedy, and is on the Bush Council of Exercise,
>>or somesuch.
>
>What does "a Kennedy" mean, btw?

Hi Jyrki, you'll propably get a load of answers, but anyway: Unless my
memory fails me, Arnold's wife is from the Kennedy clan.

-- 
Pekka.Taipale@hut.fi
From: la049137@zach.fit.edu (David Rackmales (HCX Lab/SU90))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb, Sheltered College Puke( wasRe: Perot hang'in from a willow tree)
Keywords: WRONG NEWS GROUPS....
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:40:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Nope. You're wrong.

Make drugs legal, yes.  I'd rather have that than have the cops
beating up people.

DO NOT MAKE TREATMENT A RESONSIBILITY OF THE GOVERNMENT!
Hey, I didn't force you to smoke that joint!

Wise up, it's wrong to make me pay for your personal problems.
And if you break into my house I'm going to kill you!


-- 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Re: The erudite National Review picks on Bill CLinton's daughter
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:48:40 GMT

john@anasaz (John Moore) writes:

>Keywords: 

>In article <farenebt.703216062@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:
>]"As head of the Children's Defense Fund (see "The Week", March 30), she
>]"fulfills" her profession by seeking to police the family. In our view, a woman
>]who inflicted the name Chelsea on her only child is in no position to preach
>]others about children's rights."
>]
>]Gee, this "scholarly" magazine basically makes fun on Chelsea Clinton's name.
>]HOW MATURE! I always thought making fun of someone's name, especially
>]a child's, was behavior reserved for immature parties. I guess the NR 
>]now qualifies.

>National Review, like most opinion magazines, also has some humour in
>it. They make fun of all sorts of things. So what?

I just didn't expect it to pick on a 13 year old child. I expect that
a candidate will be picked on, and I also expect that a candidates
wife (or in some cases, husband) may come under scrutiny but I don't
expect their teenage child to be picked on for her name.

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A bleeding heart liberal card-carrying member of the ACLU.
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 In the 20 seconds we have left, could you tell us why?"
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