HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: : Kryten.
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:27:33 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS) writes:

>STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 wrote:
>: Although you are quite right in pointing out that Kryten is programmed to follo
>: w orders from Humans he is also programmed to obey orders from the highest rank
>: ing person on the ship, which is Rimmer,even though he is dead (remember being
>: dead is not the career stopper it used to be)

>I seem to remember in 'White Hole' that Kryten says that a living human
>outranks a hologram.  Anyone know which is correct

 Well spotted. This blatently contradicts Balance of Power when Rimmer was
heard to say...
   "A hologram I may be but I'm still your superior"  (or something like that)

 This was the crux of the story actually leading Lister to enter the Chef's
course...
  "A chef? You want to become a chef?"
  "Not really, I just want to become your superior!"
  "But a chef???!!!??? A white hatted ponce!!!??!!!"
  "It outranks you smeg-for-brains"

Obviously one of Grant Naylor's usual continuity errors. Never mind.
BTW Anyone else praying they might tie up the Stasis Leak/Kochanski story in
S6? I live in hope... Of course, Lister has to grow that beard first!!!!!

Gareth
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From: B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Claire Grogan
Keywords: Lise not Lisa
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:29:08 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

gbeer@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au (Gabrielle Beer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.112422.26603@netcom.com>, sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse) writes:
>>I always thought it strange that Claire Grogan
>> left in the middle of an episode. They clearly have a stand-in in
>>parts of one of the episodes she's in - I think it was Stasis Leak but I
>>haven't had a chance to check recently. One of the scenes I had in mind
>>is one where she comes in to a room arm-in-arm with a-future-Lister; it
>>is clearly not Grogan's build or hair and they had to put the hat at
>>a strange angle to hide her face so it wasn't as obvious she wasn't
>>Grogan. Can anyone confirm or deny? Did anyone else notice this?

>According to the Red Dwarf smegazine Claire Grogan left the studio before
>they'd finished filming the episode.  Either she or the producers forgot
>that she was in that scene (she didn't have any lines in it). One of
>the crew (I forget who - some kind of staging assistant) was roped
>in to act as stand-in at very short notice, hence the hat to cover
>her face.

She never actually entered the studio as all of her other scenes were on
location. The stand-in was AFM Dona DiStefano.

Barry.
From: lacaa@sersun1 (Lacatena A)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Memory.
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:43:17 GMT
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Lacatena A (lacaa@sersun1) wrote:
: 
: Just a curiosity. But a highly relevant one I believe.
: 
: Possible spoilers for T for the M ahead (although I can't believe there are
: still people around who haven't seen it yet).
: 
: 
: 
: In "Thanks for the Memory" (2nd series) when Lister meets his future double
: who has just married Christine Kochanski, Lister asks his double if he had
: any advice for him, seeing as he (Lister2) had been and done things which
: Lister1 had yet to do.
: 
: Lister2 proceeds to relate to Lister1 that around three years from "now"
: Red Dwarf would enter some kind of storm (I forget the precise nature of it)
: and they would enter a parallel universe. They would "materialise on an exact
: replica of Earth [London] in the year 1989". Lister2 asserted that Lister1
: would want to go to a theatre [play] and that whatever he did, Lister2
: advised him, he shouldn't go and watch `Run for your Wife'!
: 
: I wonder if this is something we've yet to see? Or whether it was just some
: careless loose end which G&N left to leave us fans endlessly pondering over.
: Something for series VI perhaps?
: 
: Also, why at the very end of the same episode do we see Rimmer from the
: double double future "I don't wan't anyone to get into a flap here ..."
: ever so smartly dressed and sporting a pencil thin 'tache? I wonder what
: happens to him in the double double future?
: 
: Food for thought?
: 
: --
: Tony Lacatena.     |"Ah, but Rimmer Directive ### [insert 3 digits here]
: Dept. of Comp. Sci.| states just as clearly: 
: Essex University.  |           `No chance. You metal bastard'" 


Sorry, It's me again. I believe I got a little confused over the actual title
of the episode I was commenting on. I believe it should have been Stasis Leak.
Replace all occurrences of TFTM with ST.

Erroneously everyones,

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From: ppj@unislc.uucp (Peter Jones)
Subject: Re: RED DWARF INQUIRY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:29:07 GMT

Here in UTAH channel 7 (KUED) shows Red Dwarf on the following days:

MONDAY NIGHT AT 10:35 (after Are you being served, BEFORE Brittas Empire(11:00)
                      ( and BEFORE Black Adder (11:30)) WHAT A NIGHT!!!!

Saturday Night at Approx 12:00 (After Dr Who, Before Black Adder)


The Saturday Show is a repeat of the Previous Monday's show.


This Monday (Nov 23rd) They should show Dimension Jump with   ACE RIMMER. 
(Smoke me a Kipper skipper, You can do that can't you).


Peter Jones 

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From: mom@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (mark.o.modig)
Subject: Policy question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:12:45 GMT
Keywords: fanzine announcements


Question on group policy: What is everyone's take on posting fanzine
annnouncements in this group? A RD 'zine I am involved with is now
available, and I'd like to post something to this group announcing
its publication.

Also, who gets updates to the FAQ?

-Mark Modig
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From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: MOD files
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:44:51 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Keywords: MOD, music, theme



Just a note for the people with Amigas wanting RD music files...

I have arranged the theme for DMCS.  It includes what the background
trumpets do.

Also, I should have a capture of the text file I wrote explaining what
the notes of the theme song are, for those of you who want to play it.

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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: is rimmer famous
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:13:32 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Nov17.135618.16977@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dj107@cus.cam.ac.uk (D. James) writes:
>I think Danny John-Jules (hyphen possibly in the wrong place) has appeared
>recently in a phenomenally successful West End musical called 'Five Guys
>Named Moe'....

Ooooooh!  Does anyone have dates for this?  Because I don't _THINK_ he
was there when I saw it in the West End (much better than the Broadway
version, IMHO)... but could he have been?
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From: jengagne@wam.umd.edu (Jenny Lynne Gagne)
Subject: Re: I have a Red Dwarf Tracker Module.
Summary: which way do we go, which way do we go 
Keywords: mod, nst, music, theme
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:34:52 GMT

Well, you could be a really swell guy and post it to this base (I have no idea
how large it is, but if it's about 3-4 posts uucoded that'll be keen) or
you could simply mail it directly to me.  :)

I'm not quite sure how good a mod file of it would be, but I'm willing to
hear it out... does anybody know of a Red Dwarf FTP site where I could try
to send up my .VOC file of the theme?  It's too big to post here.
 
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From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: is rimmer famous
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:07:36 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <11000@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> jd@cs.strath.ac.uk (John W. Daly) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.170104.5622@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.210233.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rturnerj@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>> > Is the guy who plays Rimmer someone famous in the UK?  He gets first billing
>> > as if he is someone, even though IMHO Lister is a far more interesting and
>> > prominent character.  Of course Cat is my favourite.
>>
>>I think it's alphabetical...  But Wossname Barrie is more generally known than,
>>say, Wossname Wossname...  If you see what I mean...
>>
>Chris Barrie has done quite alot of tv in the UK, albeit indirectly, in the
>form of voice impersonations on Spitting Image - a satirical kind of 
>Muppets show involving present day politicians and all the stupid everyday 
>actions they perform.  But, because people don't see his face he is only
>really know for his superb Red Dwarf performances - keep 'em coming Chris :-)
>
>Red Dwarf, basically, made a name for the other guy, who, for the life 
>of me, I can't remember his name. Wosshesname Wosshesname will have to do!
>The point is I don't think you could swap the actors and roles.  The guy
>how plays Lister is, by his own admission, a total slob.  I"m lead to 
>believe he actually has a lot in common with his character - he also
>comes from Liverpool which might be the connection :-).  The script castors
>definetely got it the right way round IMHO.

wosshesname- Craig Charles was on a "Stop smoking" programme a little while
back, as one of the guinea pigs trying to give up, I think he was on about
40 a day! Don't know if that makes you a slob though?

calv


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From: grif@number6.EBay.Sun.COM (jeez christo! makes the ganglia twitch!)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: is rimmer famous
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:22:39 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.210233.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rturnerj@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> Is the guy who plays Rimmer someone famous in the UK?  He gets first billing
> as if he is someone, even though IMHO Lister is a far more interesting and
> prominent character.  Of course Cat is my favourite.

chris barrie also (over)played a french revolutionary in an episode of blackadder3
From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: is rimmer famous
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:58:39 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov16.210233.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rturnerj@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> Is the guy who plays Rimmer someone famous in the UK?  He gets first billing
> as if he is someone, even though IMHO Lister is a far more interesting and
> prominent character.  Of course Cat is my favourite.
> 
> JulieT
Rimmer is the most awful character chris barrie has played.
But he gives a foil for Craig Charles. 
I agree the Cat is the best but I must go and look in my roomful of mirrors
at some gorgeous chunk of lovelyness.
Arhhhhhhhhhhhhhhha!
From: D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: MOD files
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:51:32 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92356597@ccw201
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parnell_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
: 
: 	Well this is the first time i'v posted so lets hope it works
: 
: 	 any-one out there have any MOD files of RD?
: for those who don't know MOD files are music files that started out
: on the amiga, as the music on games....
: 
: Also, any word on series 6?
: 
: Paul
: 
: 	We gaurantee fast service, No matter how long it takes...
: 		PARNELL_P@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

I have no idea on the tracker modules, if you find out, do let us
all in the secret :-)

As for series six, word is, it is filming sometime in Februarary '93,
If anyone else has better information, then please correct.

Dommy the Mouse

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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: : Kryten.
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:30:20 GMT


G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
>>I seem to remember in 'White Hole' that Kryten says that a living human
>>outranks a hologram.  Anyone know which is correct

> Well spotted. This blatently contradicts Balance of Power when Rimmer was
>heard to say...
>   "A hologram I may be but I'm still your superior"  (or something like that)

>Obviously one of Grant Naylor's usual continuity errors. Never mind.

not necessarily.  why is kryten's method of assigning priority necessarily
the same as that used in the space corps?

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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Subject: Re: Red Dwarf USA..IS IT ON YET?
Organization: Netcom
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:57:10 GMT

andrewc@spider.co.uk (Andrew Cannon) writes: 

> I'll try and bring the mag in tomorrow and type it in. Grant Naylor were
> digusted with the American production team apparently.

And what a lot they had to be disgusted WITH, apparently... not too
surprising considering the kinds of poor priorities they seem to have in
making American television these days...

Some of the "highlights": the guy who played Lister was a guy called
Craig Bierko who Americans have seen as "Joe Bowman" on "The Powers
that Be". Rather than being Lister-like, he is shallow, arrogant, vain
and smug. Not only is this the only way he can act, it is the way he
*is*, according to an excellent article posted here in the past (Hi, M!)
Maybe the American team was planning on switching the roles of Lister
and Rimmer, but Bierko wouldn't have made a good Rimmer either.

Cat was played by "Hinton Battle", who I saw incredibly briefly in
some failed American sitcom pilot. He may have actually had some
style and presence as Danny John-Jules does, but there really wasn't
enough time or exposure to tell, and anyway he's not Danny John-Jules!
The guy who played Rimmer was named Chris something; I wasn't able to
find anything out about him. Someone posted a while back who had actually
been to some kind of preview screening of it and gave his impressions.
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: "Thank ya very much" - Elvis
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 12:16:28 GMT+1
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From: carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Carter Bennett)
Subject: Who outranks who???
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:12:14 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

   Someone refresh my memory on this.  
   
   On the TV series, a couple of episodes prior to "Kryten," Rimmer and 
Lister were arguing about chain-of-command.  The discussion of whether a 
living 3nd Class outranks a hologram of a 2nd class was never resolved.

   To settle it once-and-for-all, Lister spend the better half of an episode
cramming for the "Chef exam" because a chef is an officer in that universe.
The episode ends with the two of them going to the computer to get Lister's
exam scores:

   Lister reads his exam results with a poker-face.

   Rimmer:  (worried) Well, what's your score?   How did you do?
   
   Lister:  (strutting away) You mean, "How did you do, MR. LISTER, _SIR_."
   
   I should point out that this isn't in IWCD, but the chronology is different
in the books than in the series, and BTL hasn't made it here yet.

   Any comment on this?

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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Subject: Re: Kryten and Rimmer
Organization: Netcom
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:10:26 GMT

STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes: 

>The case may be that a living human ranks over a dead one but Kryten has never
>actually *disobeyed* an order given by Rimmer (He's complained to Lister about
>the orders but never actually disobeyed them) with only one teeny exception -
>cf the portrait he did of Rimmer showing Rimmer half naked.
> 
>        ????? please - stucs204@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090 (JANET ADDRESS)
>                      stucs204@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk  (INTERNET NUMBER)

...And when he rescued Camille in "Camille"... ("I am not planning a rescue
mission. Nor am I plotting a course for..." --sorry I have this quote
completely wrong but it should jog some memories)

Ellen
From: rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK)
Subject: Re: More Hologrammatic inconsistency
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:59:06 GMT

pkw@dme.nt.gov.au (Patricia Wilson 61-89-895280) writes:

>In article 3593@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU, rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK) writes:
>> Anybody see the episode "Back to Reality" the other night on ABC.

>Yes, I thought it was great!!!

Yeah, it was.  A very good one to end the series on..

>> Why were Rimmer (and to some extent Kryton) affected by the "Despair
>> Squid?"

>> Rob

>Because if they hadn't the storyline would have been a bit flat, don't you think.

True


Rob
From: David.Berriman@anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: re: More Hologrammatic inconsistency
Date: 20 Nov 1992 05:49:56 GMT
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In article <9232417.3593@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK) writes:

>Why were Rimmer (and to some extent Kryton) affected by the "Despair
>Squid?"

Yeh!

Was Holly affected by the 'squid' - because she (he?) is the computer, and
the computer controls the actions of the hologram (ie Rimmer).

Cyalodin
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From: rmn9458@rigel.tamu.edu (NAZAR, REBECCA MARIE)
Subject: what happened?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:23:00 GMT

I have only recently begun to read this so i may be asking some questions that
have already been answered...
I was a faithful red-dwarf fan up until 6 months ago when it was stopped being
shown.  Being in the u.s. the shows i saw were years old.
Is it still in production? I hope so. How many seasons has it been running and
does anyone know the beginning date (yr. will be fine).
Plus, I live near Houston, Texas; if anyone knows where i can pick up reruns
please let me know.  E-mail: rmn9458@rigel.tamu.edu
Thanks in advance!

Rebecca


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From: Richard Thomas - STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: Dispair Squid Effects
Originator: usenet@rs6000.bham.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:30:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

The reason that Kryton was affected is because his brain is part organic cf the
DNA changing episode and if it can be assumed that the Dispair Squid act on all
 things organic then Kruyten would also be affected. The secon point is that Ho
lly must have been affected in some way because Rimmer was affected and Holly
controls Rimmer QED (perhaps) although this doesnt explain why Holly wasnt able
 to pull Rimmer out when shell got out herself...
                   Thoughts please.

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From: STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: RED DWARF SERIES 6 THE LATEST
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:22:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Good news all RD fans. There will be a sixth series and it will be shown this s
ide of the pond some time in the early new year (JAN/FEB) so I dont know when y
ou will get it.

Ps why was RD-USA so naff according to all reports.Please tell me

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From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: is rimmer famous
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:09:07 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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I was just looking at a tape I have of bits of an HBO Live From London
thingy which had some Spitting Image characters on it, and in the credits,
"For Spitting Image," was the name (first billing, too) `Chris Barrie'...

I had no idea he'd done voices for Spitting Image.

I do have the ends of a couple of actual Spitting Image episodes, but
the tape on which I have them is on loan at the moment, so I can't see
if he is in the credits there, too.

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