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From: tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist)
Subject: Re: Confusion on PC-Mag's VL-bus video report
Organization: Bell Northern Research
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:53:15 GMT

Albert Yeh (ma90fau@imath1.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: For those who have read the PC-Magazine's lab test on VL-bus video.
: I have a few questtion for you.
: 1. In the test, it shows that the DOS perfermance of ET-4000 VLB is
: faster than ATI Ultra Pro.  What do they mean by DOS performance?
: Do they mean DOS programs that do not use special video drivers are 
: faster on ET-4000 VLB or they mean any kind of DOS program? (i.e.
: will the Autocad redraw faster on ET-4000 VLB or Ultra Pro VLB?).
: Someone please clarify this because I will not purchase Ultra Pro
: just to improve Windows performance.  Autocad and WordPerfect
: performance are also important to me.

 They mean DOS programs that do not use a special driver to
 take advantage of the card (e.g., standard VGA).  A dos
 program that can use 8514 would be faster on the ATI because
 it can make use of the accelerated 8514 support.

 Both wordperfect and Autocad have 8514 drivers (1024x768) and
 would perform much better IN 8514 MODE on the ATI card then in
 ET-4000 1024x768 mode.

: 
: 2. If the DOS performance in the article means non-accelerated
: performance(no optimized video driver for acclerators), why would the ET-4000 VLB be almost twice as fast on DOS as Prodesigner IIDs/D?  In the article they
: described how the new optimized local bus Windows driver help the Tseng
: Windows performance over other ET-4000 local bus implementations.
: But I just don't see how BIOs scrolling and other basic DOS function
: are faster on Tseng's VLB sample.  Since the performance of those
: functions has nothing to do with display driver. 
: 

  Maybe the ET-4000 is simply a faster chip than the Prodesigner?

: Someone please help on this confusion.
: But please understand my questions before you reply
:      
: Thank you.
: 

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From: khaled@fourier.ece.cmu.edu (Khaled Al-Ghoneim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ATTN: Gateway 2000 Current Owners! New Group!
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:49:13 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

Count me in! Sorry for wasting the bandwidth; I could not
respond by email.
     Thanks,  
    - Khaled
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Carnegie Mellon Univ.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rantapaa@s6.math.umn.edu (Erik E. Rantapaa)
Subject: Is 66DX2+$375 now better than 33DX+Overdrive later?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:10:16 GMT

I have two options:
  a) Buy a 33DX machine now and then 6 to 8 months from now buy Overdrive.
or
  b) Get a 66DX2 machine now for about $375 more than the 33DX machine costs.

The rational for waiting a while to buy the Overdrive chip is that
hopefully the price will decline.  Right now, a 33DX Overdrive chip
costs about $700, which seems to be about the cost of a 66DX2.
Does anyone know what the price differential between a 33DX and 66DX2
is right now?

One thing that would help deciding this is an answer to this question:
Can the Overdrive chip operate in the absence of the original processor?
If buy Overdrive I can use the original processor in another motherboard?

BTW, I have another question about Overdrive.  Overdrive chips fit into a
specially made socket called the PES which is separate from the original
processor socket.   However, I've seen motherboards on which the CPU was
in a ZIF socket, and processor upgrades consisted of nothing more than
removing the original CPU and inserting the new one (and maybe cutting
a trace or two.)  Should I be able to perform this procedure on a motherboard
that has PES, or if it has PES, then Overdrive is the only way to go?

Many thanks for your answers and comments,
--
" I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and
 democracy - but that could change.
       -- Vice President Dan Quayle"

Erik Rantapaa    rantapaa@math.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
Subject: 17" monitor recommendations wanted
Keywords: 17 monitor
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:02:33 GMT

I'm looking for a monitor which meets these specs:

17"
1280 x 1024 @ 72 Hz non-interlaced
1024 X 768 @ 72 Hz @ 16.7M colors non-interlaced
Sharp and clear
.28 dot pitch minimum
Meets Swedish radiation standards

Does anyone know of one that does this?
From: rick@rgb.com (Rick Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ID signals on VGA connector???
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:25:37 GMT
Organization: RGB Spectrum


To: keith@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
Subject: Re: ID signals on VGA connector???
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware you write:

>I have seen references to the following signal definitions on the 15 pin D-sub
>connector used for vga/super VGA monitors on PCs (I have also seen a ID bit 3
>but didn't happen to note what pin on the connector).

>Pin       signal definition

>4 	  monitor ID bit 2
>11	  monitor ID bit 0
>12	  monitor ID bit 1

>Could someone tell me what these pins are used for? Is there some method that
>exists for the video controller to decipher what kind of monitor is attached
>to the output? If so, what are the assignments made to the 8 (or 16) possible
>options?

Interesting question, John...

    The ever usefull NEC monitor manual shows these assignments:


                            Monitor pinout

Pin       VGA, 8514/A, XGA       Mac II          
                           mapped to Multisync
4          Ground               Ground
11         Ground               ID 0 
12         Reserved             ID 1
15         No Connection        Reserved

                        Graphics card pinout

       VGA          IBM 8514/A           IBM XGA           Apple Mac II
Pin
4   Reserved         ID 2                 ID 2              Sense 0
7                                                           Sense 1
11    ID 0           ID 0                 ID 0              Sense 2
12    ID 1           ID 1                 ID 1              Ground
15  Reserved         Reserved             ID 3              H sync (!)


For IBM monitors, there are ID bits present.  NEC of course makes no
comment about what they are used for.    For Mac monitors, there is a 
convention and Mac video cards sometimes follow it.   Since super-vga
multisync monitors sometimes get used on both Macs and PCs, the monitor
manufacturers tend to propagate Apple's ID scheme, although the PC 
video card folks aren't ( yet ) picking up on it.  Still, the IBM VGA,
XGA, and 8514/A specs do seem to have provisions for autosensing the 
monitor.
	According to Sutty & Blair (Advanced Programmer's guide to
SuperVGAs - Brady, 1990 pg. 506), the IBM VGA BIOS will use these pins 
to autodetect color or mono operation and set the adapter accordingly, 
but they don't give the ID mapping. ( sigh )
   I will look into this further, and report the results back. Does
anyone else have the scoop here?

Rick Davis

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From: fortuna@cs.man.ac.uk (Armando Fortuna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Okidata Printer Head
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:00:03 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

Hi,
The printer head of my Okidata micro-line 82A is damaged, and the address
I have for Okidata is no longer valid (ie it has changed), so I have
no way of obtaining a replacement.
Is there anyone who has the address for Okidata, either in the US or 
UK/Europe? If so, could you please email me?
Thanks in advance,
Armando Fortuna
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,sci.electronics
From: arm@helix.nih.gov (Andrew Mitz)
Subject: SVGA monitor repair
Followup-To: sci.electronics
Keywords: VGA repair
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:55:28 GMT

I damaged my SVGA monitor (AAmazing) by connecting it to
a SVGA card with a higher scan rate.  (The card was 72 Hz
at 600X800 and the monitor could not handle it.)  Now
white looks almost yellow.

questions:
1) who has the cheapest "flat rate" repair for SVGA?
2) is there any company that will fix this for less than
   the flat rate?  I am sure it is an easy repair.
3) is there a good book or article for monitor repair?
   (I am an EE unafraid to use a soldering iron...)

Thanks.



-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Mitz          |    NIH Animal Center
Biomedical Engineer  |    Poolesville, MD
-------------------------------------------------

All opinions expressed are my own.
From: buc5045@cuphub.cup.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: computer for sale
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:43:29 GMT
Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA

Computer For Sale!

Intel 20MHz 80386SX microprocessor
Mini tower case
4MB SIMM Ram
1.2MB 5.25" and 1.44MB 3.5" diskette drives (Mitsubishi, Toshiba)
120MB IDE Hard drive
Multi-I/O card: IDE, 2 floppy controller, 2 serial, 1 parrallel, 1 game
256K video Ram (Oak Technology)
14" 800x600 256 color SVGA monitor
AMI BIOS; clock/caledanr; open slots
101 Enhanced keyboard (Chicony)
DOS 5.0

Locks up ocassionally after long usage for no reason.

Best offer.

Elsetime,

LORD DREAD
From: ammond@gdls.CSCTMD.COM (Joe Ammond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Are there any 386/486 MB's that use 8-bit SIMMS?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:31:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corp. @ General Dynamics

I know, it's an odd question, but are there any 386/486 motherboards that
use 8-bit (no parity) SIMMS, rather than the "standard" 9-bit (parity) SIMMS?

The reason behind this is that I'm short on 9-bit SIMMS, but I have 8-bit
SIMMS coming out my ears.  I'm also in the market for a 386/486 to replace
my aging 286, so I thought I'd see if I could combine the 2.

Reply either via e-mail or news, I'll watch this group for awhile.

ja.
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Unix System Administrator                          Computer Sciences Corporation
           "I don't speak for Computer Sciences bla bla bla ...."
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From: jre@zeos.com (Jim Erickson)
Subject: Re: No VL-BUS for 486/50 Mhz?
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 13:01:58 GMT

In article <id.3LXT.TC7@ferranti.com> korenek@ferranti.com (gary korenek) writes:
>In article <1992Oct07.152858.7427@zeos.com>, jre@zeos.com (Jim Erickson) writes:
>>[...]
>>   VESA allows the bus to go to 66MHz but the slots have electrical
>> limitations which give them a maximum of 40MHz. Meaning if you have a
>> VL-Bus device integrated onto the motherboard it can operate up to 66MHz
>> but if you have a card in a slot, it can only go up to 40MHz.
>> --JRE---
>>[...]
>
>Jim,
>
>Your point (above) got me to thinking ...
>
>How does ZEOS on-board SCSI interface operate?  In other words, even
>though it is integrated on the motherboard, is it slowed down by any
>bus limitations, does it operate at CPU speed, is it {16,32} bit,
>does it provide a performance benefit over using a plug-in local-bus 
>SCSI card?  Is it Adaptec-compatible (with UNIX in mind)?  Can the
>ZEOS on-board SCSI be though of as 'local bus' (direct bus?) even 
>though it may not be a true local bus device?
>
>Thanks!
>-- 
>Gary Korenek (korenek@ficc.ferranti.com)
>Ferranti  International  Controls  Corp.
>Sugar Land, Texas          (713)274-5357

   The Zeos on-board SCSI uses the Adaptec 6260 chip as a controller. It is
equivalent to the Adaptec 1540 controller. It is on the SA bus, not the
local bus. The SCSI bus has an 8 bit data path and the command set is
SCSI-II compatible. The SA bus interface is 16 bit in programmed I/O mode
and 8 bit in DMA mode. The 6260 chip uses a 128 byte buffer for speed
matching between the SCSI bus and the SA bus. The synchronous data transfer
rate is 4MB per second. Drivers are provided for several OS including UNIX.

Sorry for the terse answer, but I dont want to seem as though I'm marketing
on the net. If you wish, you are welcome to email me and I can provide more
thorough answers.

---JRE---

   
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: AST Rampage Switch Settings
From: gpwrcxe@gp.co.nz
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:39:29 +1300
Organization: GP Print Ltd, Wellington, New Zealand


	I realise that this is probably an FAQ by now as I see that it has 
appeared several times (all of which I ignored). I have been given an
AST Rampage 286-512 Memory expansion card.

	You guessed it - I would like to know the settings for the two banks
of DIP switches SW1 and SW2. 

Any and all replies would be greatfully appreciated - including any tips on
its use and application.

Regards

Chris Evans
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: BERNOULLI BERNOULLI
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:01:26 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1992Oct2.150515.2815@cs.few.eur.nl>, evas@cs.few.eur.nl (Eelco van Asperen) writes:
 > jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
 > >mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
 > >>Bernoulli has been warrantying their cartridges for 5 years for quite
 > >>some time now.  You must have a very large 'recently'.
 > 
 > >Gee fred, I just bought a 3 pack of 20 mb cartridges from the local
 > >retailer about 3 weeks ago. Right on the back it says "30 day limited
 > >warranty" and the usual other disclaimers.
 > 
 > Well, I have some 5.25" 20Mb cartridges that are all labeled
 > "Five Year - The Bernouilli Gold Standard Warranty". Some of these
 > cart's are more than a year old.
 
 [ ... ]
 
 > BTW, the info-to-mud ratio of this thread is much too low.

Oooooooooh... I'll bet you get a nastygram from John about that. I made
a remark about the same thing a week or so ago and got a nasty,
insulting and altogether typical "John" message. It's a shame he can't
engage in an intelligent conversation without stooping to personal
insults and snide denegrating comments. 

Fred, to his credit, did not respond one way or the other. 

 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: maniac@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Re: 486 processor from Cyrix
Reply-To: maniac@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 03:36:22 GMT

In article <8355@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, jong@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Jong Y. Lee) writes:
) I don't want to hear about Landmark/Norton number craps.  They don't mean
) anything.  All I want to know is whether it's closer to 386 or 486
) hardware-wise.

Depends on how you measure closeness.  It's a dropin replacement for the
386sx, which means it has 16 bit external data paths.  Score one for 386
closeness (2 if you want to count 16 bits and pin compatibility seperately).

It executes the full 486 instruction set, with differences due to the cache
being a different size (I've heard that the bios has to support the 
486slc (?) specifically).  Score one for 486 closeness.

It has a 1K cache rather than 8K for the 486, but at least it has one
:-)

It can use a 387 FPU, unlike the 486SX (I assume that's what you're comparing
to, because of similar price range).  

-- 
Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rnollman@osf.org ()
Subject: Buying a 486dx2 - 50
Originator: rnollman@serverx.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:49:52 GMT

I am considering the purchase of a 486-50 and have some questions:

1. I am told that the 486dx2 is really not a true 50 mghz machine.  It
has the clock doubled internally.  Likewise, there will be a 486dx2 66
mghz coming out in a few weeks.  The guy who I talked to at a local
computer store said that if I should wait if processor speed is
important.  My question is: is the improvement in speed worth an extra
$5-600 for the 66 mghz?  I want to run a 3D animation program
(Playmation) that involves rendering that can take up to 10 hours a
frame.  I also want to run programs like Deluxpaint.

2. How do Western Digital and/or Maxtor 220 meg drives stack up
against a Quantum Pro 240 (I have a Quantum Pro 240 on another system
that has worked flawlessly for two years)?  Are they roughly
equivalent or is there a big difference in performance and
reliability?

3. Has anyone had an experience with a 17" multisync color monitor
(.26 dot pitch) from a company called Morse?  The local guy wants to
sell me the monitor for an additional $675 over the price of a typical
14" multisync (not sure how much exactly as it is part of package deal
-- I estimate around $1000 to $1100 for the monitor).  Does it sound
too good to be true?

4. I need to know about local bus vs. ISA bus technology?  What kind
of price/performance improvement would I see with the local bus?  Is
local bus worth shopping around for?

5. Does anyone know about the ATI Wonder Ultra LX card?  My local
dealer tells me that it provides 1280 x 1024 resolution with 256
colors (onscreen).  My assumption is that it also provides 32K colors
at 1024 x 768 (which blows me away).  Is that a corrent assumption?

6. Finally, what is the going price for a used 286 Dell with 40 meg hard
drive, monochrome monitor, SVGA card (Tseng-4000 -- 1024 x 768 x 256),
and two 5.25" floppy drives?

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Rich Nollman

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal)
Subject: Explain different versions of SoundBlaster's to me. Please!
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:00:35 GMT

Hello.

Can anyone list the difference's between all the different SoundBlaster
models/versions available?

I'm interested mainly in a SB Pro Basic.

Also, what are the features of the SB-16 as far as playback as
compared to the SB Pro?

HELP!! (& thanks)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann)
Subject: Re: No VL-BUS for 486/50 Mhz?
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 15:31:23 GMT

In article <qolmnr8@zola.esd.sgi.com> blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) writes:
>In article <K6z-D#=@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Someone posted earlier that since the VESA defines their clock
>|> speed only up to 40 Mhz, therefore using a processor above that speed 
>|> would be useless.  Is that true???
>
>I know someone said so -- I noticed it too.  But everything else I've
>read says that the VL-bus is spec'd to work up to 66 mhz.
>
>
>-- Bob
>("Our life is frittered away by detail.  Simplify, simplify."  H.D. Thoreau)

You can send a 'get vesa vl-bus.spec' to listserv@zeos.com. Commands for the 
list server should be in the body of the message. This is a summary of the
VL-Bus specification..




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: What could be wrong with these floppy drives???
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:12:47 GMT

In article <9210121715.AA09838@aunix.fullerton.edu> xpwang@AUNIX.FULLERTON.EDU (Peter Wang) writes:
>Greetings to all in netland.
>
>My friend has the following problem. Please help if you can.
>
>Recently his 1.2MB floppy disk drive (on drive A:) does not want
>to format some disks. (please note, only _some_ disks, not all)
>The dos format program would return an error message stating the
>sector 0 is bad for these disks.  However, these disks can be
>formated on another machine he has.
>
>So, I suggested him to swap the floppy drives on those two machines
>to check if the problem is with the controller or the drive itself.
>After swapping, the his first machine now works fine and the machine
>with the bad drive is not.  So far so good.
>
>Now deciding the drive was faulty, he pulled an old 1.2MB floppy
>drive from (yet another) old machine to replace the faulty one.
>Unfortunately, now drive B on his second machine does not work
>anymore. (it acts just like the original faulty drive, unable to
>format some disks)
>
>Does anyone have any clue as to what could be wrong here?
>Thanks in advance for any help!
>
>Peter
>
>
>

Clean the drive heads.

-steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: Re: Tape back-up device
Originator: smintz@alamo
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:12:30 GMT


Colorado make the best tape back up units, for any platform...the internal can be
made external by a kit, when you run out of room, and the quality of bar none!!!
a humble opinion...
Stephen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: afzal@divsun.unige.ch (Afzal Ballim)
Subject: HELP: My monitor's got the jitters
Reply-To: afzal@divsun.unige.ch
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:47:31 GMT

Help wanted: 

Problem: interlaced monitor in 2 year-old Gateway 2000 (386/25)
has started jittering intermittently. Seems to happen most
frequently when the machine is started, then disappears (for the
most part) later on. These shakes are most disconcerting.

Has anyone got experience with similar problems/ ideas of what is
happening/ suggestions for curing the problem?

In desperation...

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