HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steven Mancini)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: LBG Actors
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:10:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>What about Scott Baio?  Is he out?  Or is that a nasty rumor (nasty if it's
>not true)?

And his _Charles_in_Charge_ co-star, Willie Aames?  (*Dish is they were
lovers and when they broke up, it was the end of the series.*)

Patrick                                      /  
                      /          /          /        
     __      __    __/_  _          __     /         
    /  \    /  \    /   / \    /   /  \   / \        "If you're not having
   /   /   /   /   /   /  /   /   /      /\_/         fun, you're doing some-
  /\__/\__/\__/\__/\__/   \__/\__/\___/ /   \__/      thing wrong." -Patrick
 /
/
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *BIG* *RED* *JOBS*
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:06:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul28.154126.15013@news.eng.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>The csh is not a Unix tool.  It's an abomination.

Danger, Will Robinson!
Shell Queens ahead!
Hissy fits imminent?
---
-Wendy T., abomination-user
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32718 talk.politics.misc:36244
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:09:31 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <nlms44s@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.170026.13716@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
> >  BTW, this particular group of het males has as little influence with the
> >  SWMs that form the bulk of the power elite as you do. Why do you suppose
> >  that they are to be feared? Perhaps because the power elite screws them
> >  over as bad as anyone else, even though they happen to be het and male?
> 
> Because society has told them that faggots are subhuman and therefore they
> are okay to kill.
> 
> FWA

Which book says that?  When I read the various criminal codes of the
U.S., I can't recall any exemptions that say it's "okay to kill" 
homosexuals.

Do you know ANYONE who is willing to defend the position that "faggots
are subhuman and therefore they are okay to kill"?  I don't anyone
who takes that view.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cheeks'n'Chaps
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:57:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) reveals:
>
>The acquaintance, 
>whom I'll call Rod, has been in several porn films, and I had just read a
>review of the most recent one.  The review was not entirely favorable
>(wasn't favorable at all, actually).

So why were you reading reviews of bad porn films?  Isn't the Oxford
English Dictionary good enough for you?
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAAA
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:20:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul29.182025.26170
Organization: insert anything here

lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>my opinion of the "plight" of straight people who are not
>>wanted at NAGAAA functions?  sucks to be them, doesn't it...
>>little enough gayspace in the world as it is...  

>I don't want gayspace I want people space, its not that there is
>to little gay space its that there is to much straight space.
>Making exclusive gay space only makes the fight for equality
>harder.

	I can't agree with this.  Well, I can't agree with the second
part.

>>i'll be
>>perfectly happy for all-gay groups to stop "discriminating"
>>against hets when suitable laws are passed on a national level
>>banning discrimination based on sexual orientation, preference,
>>whathaveyou.  until then, drive on...

>And why do you think that the straight people who are already
>supporting us should be punished for the actions of others?

	It's a question of equal footing...  It's ridiculous at this
time to whine about "discrimination against strayts" since we're not
starting from the same sest of rights/privs that they have allowed
themselves.  Same goes for calling anti-anti-pro-gay stuff "heterobashing".

	While the specific example under discussion is sorta weird,
(1: aren't there enough strayts-only leagues to join?  2: isn't the 
real answer supporting a team that explicitly doesn't discrminate
against orientation/gender and letting things proceed from there?)
there are copious examples of places where the TENOR should remain
99.44% GBLO* and not be co-opted by the strayt community, even the
"strayt but supportive" community, e.g., pride parades, GBLO* watering
holes, etc.

>I'm not going to join a club thats going to say that some of
>my friends can't come in because of the way they where born,
>black, straight, female, etc.

	That's a different thing, really --- inviting specific friends
to join you at an event where they can be respectful of the tenor of
that event is one thing.  Letting them take over and change the
character of something just becuase they're neat people is another.

In nearly every circumstance I'm sure there is a happy medium.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.activism
From: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:34:26 GMT

In article <nlsm19o@zola.esd.sgi.com> portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:
>Which reminds me of the dinner I had with my friend Robert
>last week, who told me about a friend of his who was
>attacked by a dozen heterosexual males between 16 and
>25 (in this case, with a keg of beer in the back of the
>truck) and brutally beaten for being gay.  This person
>
>Maybe if you lived in a situation where brutal beatings
>were a reality for not only you but also your friends, you

This has degenerated quite a bit, and doesn't appear to be in direct
reponse to my recent slew of spew about this subject, but upon reading
this passage I am reminded that I do indeed live in a area where people
(who would be MY peers, that is WHetM's) are regularly beaten by gangs
(usually the age of these people is closer to being between 15 and 19) of
hispanics.  I watched a bunch of them chase a fellow down and beat him
with sticks from the window of my apartment.  He was white, I don't know
about his sexuality.  Occasionally they will kill one of their victims.
Their victims are also Asian people.  If this sounds like hocus pocus,
I welcome you to give a call to the Mission Precinct.

Even though this is a fact of life in this neighborhood (Mission Dist, San
Fran), it has not distorted my general opinion of hispanic people as a whole.

I have enough of a brain left that I can attribute these actions to a very
small and certainly not representative slice of the population of Mexican
Americans.

It is unfortunate that in reactionary zeal many people find themselves
lumping all WHetM's into some catagory - in fact making the same mistakes
that have been made in the name of ethnocentrism for centuries.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:33001 alt.individualism:4722 alt.activism:13695
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:46:12 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Jul28.155756.4968@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.205314.5787@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>>rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>>: 
>>: It is the attempts to pile a thousand years of inequality upon the shoulders
>>: of those white hetero males who are alive today that is a pile of dung.
>>
>>No, it is the denial by white hetero males who are alive today that they can
>>do anything about a thousand years of inequality, that is the pile of dung.
>>As long as you don't see this, you are yet another (white? hetero?) male 
>>sitting on top of the pile of dung, as the rest of us are getting buried 
>>under it.
>>
>>
>>Kathy
>
>
>Sorry, I've got better things to do, such as living a life as an individual
>unfettered by historic insignificance.  If you must dedicate your life to
>attempting to allay some guilt that's your business, not mine.

I think the point being made in this thread is that it can be made
your business in an instant.  The dynamics of a society going through
change affects everybody.  Sooner or later you will be forced to
confront those changes and you will either be in favor of the changes
or prefer to keep the "old ways" intact.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New George Michael Video
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:08:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Jul24.170828.9433
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>->Miss Thang, That boy isn't kidding anyone... especially with that new haircut,
>->those glasses, that earring, and shakin' his fanny all over the screen on his
>->videos?  Puh Leazzze!!!!!!

>you mustn't know very many straight people to make such a judgment.


Oh please. If George Michael is straight, then George Bush is gay.

Ken.


-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
   Ken Richards        |      
 Logic Modeling Corp   |         kenr@lmc.com  
                       |   
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: PBS Has New Sponsor for "Great Performances"
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:59:35 GMT

>Duracell Inc., the battery manufacturer, will replace
>Texaco as a corporate underwriter of PBS's "Great
>Performances" series

I think it's time that I change out all the batteries in my
household (not that all of them need changing, mind you), but
I suddenly have this urge to go out and buy "tons" of
Duracells... of course, those "other" good batteries that I have
lying about might make a good donation to a local senior
center or other such group.

-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com                 voice 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: armitage@ficus.lmc.edu
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:01:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.190203.21469@ccu.umanitoba.ca> wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca  writes:


a British program I've seen in the States on Public Television once or twice 
has a gay male regular -- I believe it's called "Are You Being Served".  
They play off of it with puns and such.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii)
Subject: new hankie codes?  
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:43:13 GMT

While at GaylactiCon IV in Philly, I saw something I found very interesting.

I was sitting in a fastfood joint wolfing down a burger when two young (18 or
younger) types came in.  What caused me to notice them wasn't their age or
their looks but their hankies.

One hand a grey hankie hanging from him left rear pocket.  The other had a
purple hankie hanging from his left rear also.

I'm fairly sure they had no idea what they were signalling since the hankies
changed sides as they went digging for change in their pockets.  

Has anyone out there run into this situation before?  Is this some sort of
signal for club/gang affiliation?

Peter Thomas
From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: all you fags out there!!!!
Keywords: who wants a date!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:48:09 GMT
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

In article <1992Jul23.142131.24841@seq.uncwil.edu> harrist@seq.uncwil.edu (Trey Harris) writes:

[crap deleted]

This is quite obviously a forged article, and a poor one at that.
The address given for Trey in this post is also incorrect. 

Just FYI.


-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                                          ]
  [                                If not you, who?  If not now, when?    ]
  [   rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com                                             ]
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:20:39 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Jul22.201136.3247@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark):
>> Oh, that's a relief, I was afraid you were going to make me degrade
>> myself in public to win your affections.  :-)
>
>private, get down on your knees and give me 50!  oh, and you better
>get your latest note to sgt. dixie flame by 16:30 hours, or else
>i'll give you breeder duty and won't let you wear the ruby slippers
>after dinner!  am i making myself clear?


Yes Sir!  please sir, you're not going to make me wear diapers and
practice on the pacifier again, are you sir?

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
(Who's off to the con...)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:53:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.181055.16934@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Ditto.  (I *must* have...I let Sim talk me into taking a *picture*.
>Perhaps Grandmama will punish me for my lapse.)

Get in line!  So many wicked children, so little time.

Grandmama
who is thinking of some particularly pleasant punishments
ry@usl.com
Xref: sparky soc.motss:33262 alt.sex.motss:1069
From: harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: Hi. I'm Dave.
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:19:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Jul30.070237.19647@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stuart S Goldstone) writes:
>
>	Hmmm, am I the ONLY one who thinks that the original poster was
>being a little less than sincere?  "golly-gee-gosh"??

I wondered that as well when I first read this.  It sounds like
something someone might post as a joke.

However, I am an optimist at heart.  One has less chance of being
right as an optmist than a pessimist, but you have a lot more fun!
And, hey, David, if you're for real, then *HUGZ*!!!

Trey Harris
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:48:07 GMT


In article <1992Jul24.203335.28373@decvax.dec.com>, walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh) writes:
>In article <nlkd1e4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>Wrong.  I have said many more accurate things.  You just insist on arguing
>>the converse of what I am saying.
>>
>
>Could he also say accurate things like "All homosexuals are child molestors"?
>He'd be about as accurate as you are being.

I would just like to clarify that I am not trying to accuse homosexuals as 
child molestors.  I am just trying to use an example of prejudice from an
earlier thread (the NAMBLA incident) to try and convince Mr. Dauber of the 
ignorance of his "we can blame all white men because most of those in power 
are white men" argument.  I felt it necessary to clarify this so no one 
misinterpret my quotation above.

--
___________________________________________________________________________
Thomas Walsh 		walsh@via.enet.dec.com		Nashua, NH

:opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employers
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Subject: Naval Aviator Thorne
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:24:00 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I heard last night that the naval review board voted 3-0 to dismiss
Mr. Thorne with an honorable discharge.  The comment from the board
was that they were not there to debate current military policy.

Mr. Thorne will appear on CNN's Larry King Live this coming Monday
night.

--
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: roy@panix.com (Roy Radow)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Don't write NAMBLA today
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:58:46 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul26.032334.27312@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:

>umm, the Rev. Mr. Dodgson *loathed* little boys (not to mention their
>adolescent selves.)  His was a strictly heterosexual fixation.

Quite correct. I was referring to his attraction to (and nude
photographs of) little girls.

Yours in Liberation,

Roy

-- 
Roy Radow		roy@panix.com         ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy
North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample
Bulletin, publications list and membership information send $1.00 postage
to: NAMBLA Info,  Dept.RR,  PO Box 174,  Midtown Station,  NYC NY  10018.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re:    re: those problem hets
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:26:29 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

since mara's whooping it up in the Appalachians somewhere,
we can talk about her all we want! :-)

<SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> Jack Carroll:
> This observation really made me grin.  Having spent some time in person
> with Mara and a bit of corresponding as well one of many things that has
> struck me where Mara is concerned is that I have never felt that she
> is *trying* to empathize.   (This isn't a flame, the remark just
> struck me as quite funny.)

no, your powers of observation are fine, as always.  mara doesn't
try to empathize; she just does.  mara's tone has always struck
me as caring non-judgementally -- i think she's a rabid humanist. :-)

mara's strength is that she listens to you without letting her own
feelings blind her to your experience.  she already knows or recognizes
what HER experience is so her goal is to discover what YOUR experience
is, and unlike many of the "clued" straight people, mara exudes a
sense of self-confidence that prevents separation into The Straight
Experience and The Gay Experience.

of course, mara's also very intelligent, and that always helps. :-)
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: josmith@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (J)
Subject: Re: Spanish spelling
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:41:51 GMT

>|> Like: Caballo (horse) will be cabasho. Or Lluvia (rain) would be 
>|> shuvia. 

	This reminds me of (at least what I thought to be) a rather humorous
situation that I saw down in Mexico.  I was visiting my great Aunt's store
when some gringo tourists approached the clerk with their English-to-Spanish
translator books in hand.  Slowly and emphatically, they asked "Don-de ess-tah
el bano de la ca-vi-ohs"   (or accurately translated: "Where's the horse's
bathroom?")  Apparently they had confused "caballeros" (gentlemen) with 
"caballo" (horse).  The clerk smiled and pointed them in the right direction,
but as soon as they left we laughed so hard we cried.....HA HA HAHA HA HA
Ha HA.. ha .. heh.. hee hee.. he..heh.. uhhhn....uh... uh, yeah....
....  ok... I guess you had to have been there..
	-J-


-- 
"Faggo's of the world UNITE!"- Scott Thompson (the Kids in the Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: motss.com
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:39:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.163609.3660@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>>I had considered going, but decided not to because
>
>>4)  Few women would be there
>
>	What density would be required to make this reason satisfied?
>It's sort of a self-defeating argument.  While admittedly, USENET (and 
>motss) is severely male-dominated, I can't think of anyway to even things
>out except to set a limit to the number of men allowed to attend, or
>for all the womyn who opt not to attend because of the paucity of womyn
>there to show up, thereby making things that much closer to the ideal.
>Seems to me the latter makes more sense.

Yeah, it does seem strange that several women decided not to go in part
because there wouldn't be many women there.  If they had, in fact, gone,
there would have been quite a few women there.  Hmmmmm....


All I know is that if Ellen hadn't gone we would have had real trouble
getting the beer open.... who would have donned the latex gloves steeped
in lube? Besides, someone had to be a responsible adult....

Shawn


[The above was a paid .con.tease for those that are wondering what, exactly,
 went on in Portland.]


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: sex with gay and bi men (part 3)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: why? WHY?
Organization: stonewall union of columbus, ohio
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:04:00 GMT

in article <1992Jul30.230834.7994@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (the
*very* *tall* nelson minar) writes:

 >But I still do not understand why the Gabe/Biff stereotypes are made
 >at all. Does anyone think they have validity? I've honestly never
 >heard them used before Jojo and Arnold mentioned them. In fact, my own
 >experience would cause me to form a "bi men fuck hard, gay men soft
 >sensitive" stereotype, the opposite of what was originally proposed.

good question.  everybody wants an easy way to negotiate the shoals
of life, so everybody wants to simplify the mind-boggling complexity
of things.  and if you're into simplifying and someone offers you
a simplifying tool, you'll take it.  

i'm not recommending this, i'm reporting it.

where it gets sort of unpleasant is where this simplifying process
intersects with ideas from the larger culture.  the fictional gabe and
biff reflect the culture's ideas of masculinity and femininity, in a
very complicated way: gabe is hypermasculine in one sense, but
feminine because he ferociously desires men; the fictional biff is
ordinarily guy-next-door masculine, because he loves women, but he's
still feminine, because he's queer, maybe even hyperfeminine, because
he likes women so much.  real people are dotted all over the map.

which is not to say that this is the right map.

i'm saying it's the *wrong* map.  (amd i think nelson agrees.)

arnold




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