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From: jackies@fc.hp.com (Jackie Sheddy X6958)
Subject: Re: Responding to Bible quotes
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:51:36 GMT
Organization: The Edge of the Final Frontier
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Thomas D. Barrett (tdbear@dvorak.amd.com) wrote:
: In article <1imsl8INNqcg@plts.uucp> tal@warren.mentorg.com writes:
: >A friend is getting a lot of shit from his Bible banging sister.  You'd 
: >think I would have been smart enough to save one of the many "The Bible
: >and homosexuality" FAQs and FAQ-like(tm) postings.  However, I
: >haven't. 
: 
: It won't really do any good... unless your friend is a bible scholar,
: he has little chance of going head to head with her (assuming she is).
: 
: For instance, the story of Sodom and Gamorroha (don't kill me for
: spelling)... The first thing a thumper points out is that the men of
: S&G wanted to have sex with the angels.  Fine... who said angels had
: a sex?  The Truth was that sex was all that anyone in S&G really cared
: about.  These weren't just druggies, prostitutes, etc. like you find
: around the country... these are people who had truely lost all sight
: of what it meant to be human and what life really meant. These were
: the people that most societies nowadays would have eventually locked
: up or killed because of some violance or other crime against society.
: These folks were not human... save for Lot and his family, of course.
: Of course Lot's wife looked back (a metaphor for longing to return to
: S&G's fun) and was destroyed along with her partners in crime (the
: other residents).  The story of S&G has NOTHING to do with
: homosexuality.  That assumption was made by some poor ignorant fool or
: yesteryear... and to assume that it is the word of God is an
: indication of not knowing the true word of God and an indication that
: one is worshiping words in a book rather than THE WORD.
: 
: -- 
: |Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
: |AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
: |"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
: |My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |


	My  understanding  of this  particular  weapon of 'thumpers' was
	that it had more to do with hospitality  than sex.  But, I could
	be wrong.  :-) :-) :-) :-)

	BTW, for anyone  interested in some pretty  intense  discussions
	about the bible  (whether  you are  christian or not), you might
	think about tuning in to alt.athiesm  (if you don't already).  I
	have found some of the discussions  extremely  interesting.  But
	please,  read the FAQ  first.  They are  almost  as touchy as we
	tend to be about "our turf" being violated.

--
Regards,

Jackie
jackies@hpxxx.fc.hp.com
Hate is NOT a Family Value!!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:10:57 GMT

In <1993Jan6.114344.7419@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

>In article <72990@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

[A rather scathing editorial on PC environmentalism (deleted for brevity)]

Gee, Jojo.  Who didn't piss in your cornflakes this morning? :)
-- 
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 My opinions are my own.         |  You can't be proud of who you are
 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
   I can't even *think straight! |    Cruise Men, Not Missiles! - anon
From: allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Approaching strangers
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:15:37 GMT
Organization: DI-LIA -- Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
In-reply-to: an4782@anon.penet.fi's message of 11 Jan 93 16:33:00 GMT


I would have answered this in email, but I can't figure out how to
reply to an anonymous poster.  I guess that is why they are anonymous.

In article <1993Jan12.005413.25057@fuug.fi> an4782@anon.penet.fi writes 
among other things:

   It's not often that I bump into a guy whose looks alone make me desperate
   to want to speak to him, but this has been happening over the last few
   weeks. 

   I would assume he's straight and so not worth chasing 

   Furthermore I get
   the impression it's not just me peering at him, I sometimes think he is 
   stealing glances at me although our eyes seldom meet.

   So: what do I do?  I am almost at a point where I want to take the guy 
   aside and - no, not for *that* - just say, "Can I ask a personal question;
   are you gay?"

   How do you get acquainted with a
   mysterious but very attractive stranger?

I have been in this situation, oh I don't know how many times.  Not
once has he been gay, but on several occasions I have found that I
made a good friend in the process.

The first thing to keep in mind, is that (I presume) you are not just
interested in sex with this guy.  You probably hope that he is an
interesting person in some more comprehensive way.  You could very
well have quite a satisfying relationship with him even if he does not
return your sexual feelings.  

Now, with that in mind, your next step becomes clearer.  Treat him
like anyone who you see often in a public place.  Speak to him, as if
you felt odd having seen someone so often without speaking.  I have
found that at this point I have trouble controlling my voice, from
fear and excitment.  He won't notice - he will just think you talk
funny.  Talk about whatever sports he does, share with him your
experience.  If possible, make a date to play squash, swim, run, Real
Tennis, or whatever you might find in common.  Get to know him.  He
might be a real jerk.  And somehow, I always find that if I really
don't like someone as a person, those washboard abs and ample basket
just don't seem so interesting anymore.

When you feel comfortable with him, then you can find out if he might
be interested in more.  And you can bring it up in a more natural
situation, when you (and he) feel comfortable.

Having said this, the first time I tried this, I was so excited having
met him, that I did not sleep at all the following night, and blurted
out `are you gay?' the next time I saw him.  The answer was `no', but
he did not mind the attention.  We are still best friends, 5 years
later and 9 time zones apart.  

Others have just looked a bit frightened - today I don't even remember
their names.

And all in between - casual friends (after 3 years and only 6 time
zones - who knows if that will last).  

In short, treat him like a human being, not a porn star (I know it is
obvious, but I also know I have forgot this in the thrill of the
moment).

  Il vostro Dino
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 13:26:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan8.213857.6179@spdcc.com> <1993Jan9.092552.25147@thinkage.on.ca>
  <1993Jan9.153926.747@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>Ken Dykes writes:
>>she suggested "Nix" Creme Rinse for Head Lice.
>>Permethrin 1% (w/w)
>>it worked. one blast.
>
>Nix is available OTC in the US, but it's only officially approved
> for head lice (i.e., use on kids).  It undoubtedly works on crabs too,

It definitely works.  The nice thing is that it apparently either
kills *all* the nits, or it persists long enough to kill them
after they hatch, because the "one treatment" part is played up
on the box -- convenience, don't you know.

>but may be sold in bottles too small for a full-body treatment.  (I dunno--
>I've never opened a package.)

There's supposedly enough to do two head treatments in a bottle;
the one time I needed it, there was plenty even for someone as
furry as I am.

 
() Only the suppressed word is dangerous.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Career Change Restricts Access to soc.motss
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:43:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan8.164330.20523
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan8.163431.19873@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.153930.17375@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>In article <C0IBAq.I4z@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>>Hi, Friends --
>>>
>>>I'm now a machinist, no longer an engineer here at HP.
>>>I actually work for 8 hours each day, so I'll be
>>>a little less visible here, though I'll be able to
>>>read and post _after_ work. 
>>>
>>>The most important part of all this is that I had an 
>>>excuse to buy some *BIG* *BLACK* *BOOTS* to protect
>>>my tender tootsies from the *FILTHY* *OILY* *FLOOR*!
>
>Yet again EMACS eats a last line.
>
>I meant to type:

Have you ever had one of those days? I have tried twice now, and the
second time I even 'listed' the posting before accepting it, and the
line still got chopped. Perhaps it was never meant to be: the line is.

"But what protects your tongue and lips?"

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:41:21 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

>Bergamot, Attar of Rose, A Vanilla Bean, Essence of Lavender,
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mmmm, yes. My favorite scent. I don't wear colognes as a matter of
course, but on suitably rare occasions I'll use only Paul Sebastian,
which seems to have a vanilla base. Or I'll just take real vanilla
extract. Yum.
-- 
Thom, the Elf-Lad                   elf-lad@access.digex.com
"What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?"
 --U.K.LeGuin
From: zitsky+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Ryan Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:01:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0GAEL.917.2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In article <1if7k8INNl2f@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

[much deleted.....]

|> West Hollywood, California.  The name-calling event on Sunday 
|> took place on the corner of Fairfax and Santa Monica Blvd.
|> 

Having been through hell in school, for non-sexual reasons, I'd like to
hear from other people about their _response_ to gay bashing.

Why don't people who are targeted frequently, move to another city
or neighborhood?  Why stay where you keep getting harrassed?


================  DISCLAIMER =================

This is not a .sig, I'm too lazy to make one. :>
Just to point out that the above is a serious question,
and no disrespect intended.  I had my share of 
comments from alt.sex.bondage last month.

==============================================

--Markie Ryan
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:57:07 GMT

In article <72838@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Henry Mensch writes:
>>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) wrote:
>>->Ron Buckmire asks:
>>->>What are other people doing for New Year's eve in LA?
>>->Going to San Francisco.  ;-{)##]
>>
>>thanks for beating me to the punch (so to speak) ... 
>
>Yes, well... Despite the fact that the crowd (and the
>*decorations*!) at the Lone Star were *incredible* on New Bear's
>Eve [spelling intentional], I thought they were a wee bit
>chintzy.... I mean, every other bar I've ever heard of at least
>gives away a glass of cheap champagne at midnight, and the
>Gauntlet II here in LA has free drinks -- that's *anything*
>behind the bar, not just well liquor -- for 15 minutes after
>the New Year begins.
>
>Of course, they may have just been running a little late... I was
>dragged out of the place by an energetic furball visiting from
>N. Carolina right after the ball went up.....  ;-{)##]

Dinner with friends, StarTrek and John Waters marathon, hot tubbing and massage session for all.  Our first New Year's that didn't involve lots and lots of 
people and lots and lots of smoky bar stuff.  It was nice sitting in and or 
around a hot tub in the rain with seven other people and listening to the 
fireworks down in town at midnight.
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:39:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C0InHn.JwH
Organization: Open Communications Forum

jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:

>While we're on the topic of sounds we don't want to hear...

>Last week, a friend of mine played a tape his friend had made of some
>records found in the basement of his house during cleaning/excavations
>recently.  It was Mrs. Miller singing "Downtown".  I thought either the
>tape or the records had been damaged at some point, but Barry assured
>me that, yes, that's what she sounded like and, yes, people bought her
>recordings.

>Scary.

I have a 30-year-old album of Christmas music that must be handled with
special lead-lined gloves because it contains the most *ghastly* recording 
of Florence Henderson singing "My Favorite Things".  I'd rather listen
to Accordion Party, personally.
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c+(+)g+k+(+)s-e++ | Collars and blindfolds and
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (Is: the empowerment of women)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:20:27 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan5.011631.29390@netcom.com> 
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
> In article <1i6201INNo03@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

> >Their "real" selves?  What, if I may be so bold as to ask,
> >is a "real" self?  And why is a "real" self obscured by
> >a little mascara and lipliner?
>
> It's the conceit of modernity that authenticity in the self is
> better understood by *others*, not by the self itself.

Yes, of course.

> And of course those *others* have a better developed political
> consciousness.

Doesn't that go without saying?

> Go read your Rousseau again, Arne. 

But Howard!  I'm too engrossed in Andrea Dworkin's latest
page-turner.  And can that gal write!  She puts Barbara 
Cartland to shame!  But OK, Jean-Jacques is next.

> Read it and be fearful.

More than I already am?

Arne
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: BAR Manners in Boston....
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:53:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.105346.5538
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0Dy39.647@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>Here, in the Cultural Epicenter of the Western Hemisphere, there
>>are bars with darts.  And glass glasses (though you can't take them
>>out into the parking lot).  Though not every establishment is so
>>equiped.
>
>You wimps. Real men drink from the bottle like in the leatherbars in
>the Warmoesstraat.
>
>Of course, they will serve liquor in glasses. I mean, you try drinking
>gin 'n tonic from the bottle.
>							FJ!!


Since my lips have now disappeared entirely beneath the blond
moustache, bottles are a must. Otherwise the broom wicks all the beer
up only to release it all over clothing and spectators upon slight
movement.

Whiskbroom-on-lips-central, a.k.a. Amsterdam, has long since gotten
around this problem with the bottled drinks. Paris is still by the
glass for the most part.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu (Vince Netz)
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:20:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.103914.26030@mic.ucla.edu> cjones@physci.ucla.edu  
(Chad Jones) writes:
> In article <C0pBHD.7o1@news2.cis.umn.edu> Vince Netz,
> vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu writes:
> >be a solution.  UCLA medical center is basically bankrupt, so I'd  
guess  
> >that complaining to them about it would get you a sympathetic but 
> >blank stare.
> 
> I was not aware of this.  From what I understand, the med center is
> required to be self-supporting, and get no money from the UC.  They
> opened a shiny new complex a few years back filled with private  
practices
> just to bring in more money.  There's a new advertising campaign out  
for
> referrals to UCLA doctors (1-800-UCLA-MD-1).  They don't take many
> non-insurance cases at the emergency room.  In fact, when there was a
> near-riot at a Morrissey concert at Pauley Pavilion, the uninsured had 
> to go to Santa Monica Hospital (about 20 minutes away).
>
UCLA is going thru what most tertiary teaching hospitals are going  
thru...   The U of M Hospital is similar (i.e. "self supporting" in it's  
relationship to the U, 1-800 number to drum up patients because of  
falling referrals, etc).  The problem isn't so much uninsured, but  
underinsured patients, as well as high operating costs and shrinking  
marketshare.  That shiney new building was built on debt, and things  
such as the HIV crisis, urban problems, and general financial woes are  
all pressing in on these large centers. St. Vincent's in NYC is in BIG  
trouble, which is regrettable cuz it's on the front lines of AIDS  
treatment, and UCLA has been running deeply in the red for at least 2  
years.  All of this is symptomatic of the general crisis in healthcare  
in the good ol US of A.  Let's just hope Bill can solve it :)  The  
reason the ppl from the Morrissey concert went elsewhere probably  
reflects the trend of academic centers having very small trauma units  
which don't accept such referrals as a matter of procedure, not because  
they're turning away uninsured patients.  

I guess my point was that little political nicities on forms are  
probably the least of a public Hospital's woes...  not that I think it's  
fair per se, just that it's probably not a symptom of anti-gay 
discrimination.  

Oh, BTW, this post and the one before it are my first to this newsgroup.   
So I guess I've finally emerged from anonymity :)   
========================================================================
 ____   Vince Netz                          vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu
 \  /   Senior Consultant                   Office: +1 612-626-3136
  \/    University of Minnesota Hospital    FAX:    +1 612-626-3524
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Ry, friend of peters
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:04:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.044651.13946@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> 
 ry@usl.com (inimitably Ry Schwark) writes:

>Who could forget?  I may need to rest all my hopes on the truth that 
>perversity is contagious.  

I've had this nagging question at the back of my mind since New Year's
-- just who _was_ it that the "Peter" of _Peter's Friends_ reminded me of?
After exchanging a flurry of messages with Ry this evening, it suddenly
hit me:  Stephen Fry bears a certain resemblance to Ry Schwark.

Now, if perversity is contagious, then does hanging around Ry more
often raise my chances of landing Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson?

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "I practice bisexuality while I debug newsreaders.  While I wash the
   dishes.  While I chop celery."  --Tim Pierce
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: eak@gagme.chi.il.us (The.Avenger)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Originator: eak@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:54:58 GMT


In article <92364.223718MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu> MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
:Also, just for your info, there are even 12 step groups (like AA) that are
:called Homosexuals Anonymous that are set up world-wide to help people 
:overcome their unwanted homosexual feelings.
 
The therapies that utilize screaming seem to work a whole lot 
better.  See _The_Primal_Scream:_The_Cure_for_Neurosis_ by Art 
Janov.  Janov has a lot to say about homosexuality.
 
Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who was featured on 20/20 last year, also 
uses a form of scream therapy.  He has a book out called, I think, 
_Reparitive_Therapy_ with something in the sub title about 
curing _the_Male_Homosexual_.
 
The 12-step therapies seem to help people fight their urges 
toward homosexuality while the scream therapies seem to make 
those urges go away for ever.
 
-Ed
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: *X* and Dolphie one in the same?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:46:32 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In another thread, He Who Never Shaves writes of Dolphie:

> I suppose in your insanely youth-centered world, 27 *is* old.

Could it be, perhaps, in light of this and other comments
made by HWNS, that the postings of *X* and the postings of Dolphie
have somehow impressed themselves into whatsoever passes for
neural activity within the mind of HWNS as being from the 
same source?

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: smurf gang
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:57:29 GMT

In article <1ivkctINNbug@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.223143.14722@psych.toronto.edu> 
>jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>
>>   (stuff) 
>
>Excuse me?
>Get a grip.
>Sigh.
>    ((stuff about Normans before 1066.  nice history lesson))
>Did someone say "naive"?
>Yes.
>Fine.  Celebrate your shared Queerdom with peasant farmers
>in Machocan.
>I don't think you'd be satisfied with anything short of the
>instant of the Big Bang itself.
>Touchy, touchy.
>Snort.
>Dear me.

Brilliant arguments here.  Does a truly wonderful job of addressing
the issues and maintaining the argument at a level of sophistication
that will keep us all intrigued.
As a smurf, I must say I enjoyed this.  A bit like a standard Berkely
responses of PHHHHHBBBBTTT!!!!
-paul

-- 
Butch Smurf     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
"Our Father makes art in Heaven, Howard be thy name..."
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:39:34 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

In article <726705488snx@drummond.demon.co.uk> john@drummond.demon.co.uk writes:

>just seemed more fun to play with Civilisation for a bit,
>then it was the holiday season and I got Simlife as a

Conjunction of Civilisation with Simlife leads me to ask, in hope,
if you refer to that impossibly addictive board game wherein one
marches along the Archaeological Succession Table to accumulate
goodies and pass epidemics to neighbors in trade ... ????
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
Newsgroups: soc.motss