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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:40:26 GMT

In article <57738@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>The plan was that Petruska would clean the glass and throw outlet passes,
>while Tarver, Butler and O Bannon fought over who got to take the pass
>on the wing and dunk it. The problem is that Petruska and OBannon have not
>cleaned the glass at all. They get outrebounded by just about everybody.
>In fairness to Ed, he is so good on the run that its often tempting for
>him to release, but he needs to start concentrating on the boards first.

I don't think Ed deserves too much blame for the rebounding situation,
since he's about the only player on the Bruins getting very many of them,
of late.  Yesterday, he had at least 8 or 9, which should be fine for
a forward.  What's missing is the rebounding from the center position.
I think Petrushka, Zidek, and Zimmerman combined for around 5 or 6, which
clearly is not acceptable.  Especially since, with the possible exception
of Petrushka, these players are not expected to score many points, as long
as they play defense and rebound.  Butler has also not been holding up
his end in rebounds, of late.

>Tarver is averaging ~16 ppg, 5 rebounds and 3 assists, shooting just about
>50%. 

Tarver excels at getting points in garbage time, it seems to me.  He was
our high scorer yesterday, but he got 8 or 10 points late in the second
half, when the game was already lost.  Where was he when the game was 
winnable?  Missing the few shots he was taking, and not grabbing any rebounds
that bounced his way.  It seems to me that Tarver very rarely scores at
a moment when the team needs it badly.

>I waffle back and forth on this all the time, but I think its pretty clear
>they should make the change after this year. The players still like him,
>but the administration and alumni do not, and apparently neither do the
>recruits.

Up until yesterday, I thought it was not fair to dump a coach with a 73%
winning percentage who has taken the team to the NCAA every year he's been
here.  But yesterday, Harrick was coaching like he'd already lost the
job and didn't give a damn, any more.  (In fact, there was a rumor floating
around the alumni section that Harrick had just been fired, which, until I
found out it wasn't true, made his coaching decisions seem a lot more
comprehensible.)  If he's not going to make even the most elementary and
obvious coaching moves (sitting Zimmerman with three fouls, going for
three pointers midway through the second half when nothing else could win), 
I'd as soon get someone who will.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Jeff Brassow Out
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:22:24 GMT

edharris@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Brassow played tonight against LSU (UK 105 LSU 67)

>And for those of you wondering, Aminu Timberlake got some minutes as well...

	Yeah, just slightly a bit more time than superscrub Todd Svoboda...

	It was nice to see him get in the game for over 3 minutes though.
	U could loudly hear the crowd chanting "We want Todd!" over and over
	again.  It was even nicer that he scored points.

	Jazzy J

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From: zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Arena Size


In article <82236@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <23370007@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> dale@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dale Strommer) writes:
>>In rec.sport.basketball.college, tecardwe@uncc.edu (Thomas E Cardwell) writes:
>>
>>> At UNC Charlotte.  The mens team plays at the 23,901 Charlotte Coliseum (Largest in US ...correct me if I an wrong...excluding domed "football-basketball" stadiums). Our womens team plays at the Mine Shaft (local gymnasium on campus) with 3000 seats. T>he gym is like an oven with even half capacity.
>>
>>  OK, you are wrong. BYU has a 27,000 seat facility on campus in Provo
>>  Utah. It is not used for football.
>
>Uh, pardon me, but I don't think this is right.  Unless BYU has undertaken 
>major unpublicized expansion of their facility in the last 3 years (since 
>I was last there), the arena only holds about 21,000 or so.  Smaller than
>Thompson-Boling, Rupp, and the Charlotte Coliseum.  Comparable to the 
>DeanDome.
>

I am going to BYU right now and there were over 22,800 fans at the BYU-UTAH game.  I think
that the official capacity is right around 23,000.

Steve
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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: WHAT is a Billican (sp?)?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:45:31 GMT

Last night I ran across _the Billiken Rag_  written in 1913 and published
in St. Louis.  The composer's name escapes me right now.  This must be the
song that inspired the mascot??  Or maybe the other way around ?

Will

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From: hartig@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott E Hartig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:39:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <C16yKK.KB6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
	
>	For trivia, who is the all-time leader in 3-pt percentage in the
>	NCAAs?

That's a pretty good question.  I'll admit I don't know the answer to it.
But here's something else to think about along those same lines:

What player hit the very first 3-pointer in the NCAA's? (Be careful)

-Scott

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: The 7th Seal (Re: Thrillerdome now Whimperdome?
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:34:30 GMT

Brett Costley writes:
>
>On another note.  As I was watching the game last night at a sports bar
>I heard a guy a couple of tables away say that the ACC was trying to 
>get Kentucky to leave the SEC and join the ACC.  I don't know what his
>source was but I hadn't heard anything of the sort before.  Anyone else
>heard this before?  I'm not very inclined to put much stock in it.

Not with the ACC, which would be a decent match for UK football-wise,
but with the Big10(11), which would be a decent match geography-wise 
and whose members wouldn't resent UK for the 67-3 records that
UK holds against them in hoops.

When donkeys win the White House....sorry, wrong cliche...no. 
Better chance of finding a good deli in Havana.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> U.P. OR BUST!
From: smaher@ismdqa.intel.com (Steve Maher ~)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:09:30 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp.

In article <1jv2k1INNest@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) writes:
>
>The Ostertag argument continues to carry no weight with me.  KU was
>without Ostertag, but UM was without Ray Jackson, without question the
>best defensive player on the team.
>
>And it's very clever to refer to KU's victory over Indiana and UM's victory
>over KU as "December losses," and thus worthy of equal weight, let's
>be a bit more clear.  Kansas' victory over Indiana came at the beginning
>of December.  Michigan's victory over Kansas came at the end of
>December and only two weeks before the rankings came out which placed
>Kansas at the top.  In the meantime, in the last month, what really strong
>programs has Kansas beaten?  Please let me know if there have been any;
>I can't think of any.  I can with IU.
>
>Kansas beat IU at the beginning of the season; Duke beat Michigan at the
>beginning of the season.  But it seems clear to me that RIGHT NOW both
>IU and UM are playing better bball than those who beat them.

Gosh, Chris, the fact that you're from Michigan wouldn't bias this opinion
just a little, would it?  It's pretty obvious that you haven't caught any
of the Kansas scores, or even paid attention.  Kansas has beaten Oklahoma
@ OU, Louisville @ UL, and K-State @ State, all pretty impressive competi-
tion.  They have destroyed the other less impressive competition.  You may
ask why I include K-State: they're only 13-3, something like 4-1 in the 
Big 8.  If they were in the ACC or Big 10, they would be ranked in the top
15...  (Wisconsin, 10-4, ranked ~20 this week.)

I saw the Indiana-OSU game and Indiana was impressive.  However, they were
NOT more impressive than Kansas has been lately.  To say they are close and
all clustered at the top is fair enough.  Remember, IU HAS lost 2 games: to 
Kansas and Kentucky.  IU certainly does not deserve to be ranked above UNC,
who would be undefeated if not for a shot at the buzzer by Michigan in Hawaii.

As for KU-Michigan, they game was close until the final few minutes when
Michigan hit their free-throws to pull away.  

I think a main reason for the confusion at the top is how the different teams
match up with each other.  Michigan, with Howard and Webber, is strong where 
KU is weakest (although not 'weak') esp. with Ostertag out and the team still 
adjusting for Ben Davis' departure.  However, KU matched up well with IU and
did beat them.  In IU's win over Michigan, they showed how to stay with 
Michigan inside.  Duke has some mystique over Michigan, although it would
be interesting to see how a game between them would turn out today.  Certainly,
a KU-Michigan or KU-IU game could turn out differently today than what it did
last month.

The key will be which of the top 5 or 6 teams adjusts the best over the course 
of the season.

Steve(JayhawkinSiliconValley)Maher
Certainly I'm biased!
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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Kansas skanks...
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:36:15 GMT

In <1993Jan26.083251.7016@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:

>Well, I won't woof, because months ago I said IU was a fundamentally better
>team than KU -- not to be mislead by the -5 pnt. outcome of the IU/KU game at
>Indianapolis -- and, more importantly, that KU has a soft backbone, and a
>gentleman called me an idiot.  Now the same gentleman is grinding KU into the
>dirt one message north of this one.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've actually ever *called* you an
idiot.  Don't remember the comment about the soft backbone, either,
but if you made it, you were closer to being correct than I gave you
credit for.  And I take exception to your claim that I was "grinding
KU into the dirt" in my previous post -- I merely call them as I see
them.  I won't give up on Kansas, but this game has forced me (and a
few other fans, I'm sure) to revise my opinion of the team.

>This homecourt shaming is actually the very best thing that could have
>happened to the pretty boys in silver and blue.

>Had KU not gotten this little shock treatment, their insulated sense of
>reality would have assured them of an early exit from the Tournament, which
>might still happen.  At least now they have a fighting chance to get mean.

I hope you're right.  (Very little you have said to date would make me
think this is a possibility, however.)

rock chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Sportsmanship - Chris Street
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:45:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.190809.8157@news.uiowa.edu> lhandsake@ccad.uiowa.edu  
(Lisa Handsaker) writes:
> This week is a very bad week to be a Hawkeye.  We lost a remarkable
> player and person.  Something happened in the Duke/Iowa game Saturday
> that was a little above and beyond the usual "trash talking" exchanged by
> players in the heat of competition that is a valuable lesson to all of
> us.  After Kevin Smith intentionally pushed Bobby Hurley to the ground,
> Hurley jumped up, put his fingers to his lips and directed "Kiss off big
> boy" at Chris Street.  I wondered Tuesday night how Bobby Hurley felt
> about what were probably his last words to Chris.

Wrong.  They made up after this incident.  During the timeout, in fact.

> Chris said he too gave a few comments to Bobby.  A line should be drawn,
> however, betwen good sportsmanship and a competitive attitude.  I realize
> this was just a game, but we should always remember the words we speak to
> someone may be the last.


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From: arritter@helix.nih.gov (Alice R. Ritter)
Subject: Re: Wake over Tech
Keywords: ugh!
Reply-To: arritter@helix.nih.gov (Alice R. Ritter)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:12:40 GMT

Conversely, Wake took its lumps, getting beat by Duke, and now is
beating everyone in sight!
alice ritter = arritter@madhatter.cber.nih.gov
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Ohio State!!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:07:07 CST

In article <C18AAn.3t9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:
>
>If Rashard is like most Public League stars, (especially those who
>have played for Landon Cox), all he'll be doing his first year 
>is homework....

To this date, he has not passed the ACT, so you are correct so far...
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Clarinet b*tching and moaning...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:09:38 GMT

In article <1jpcpiINNkkf@shelley.u.washington.edu> crs@carson.u.washington.edu
(Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>I'm sorry, but it just irks me that they put out College Basketball Roundup
>reports that don't include teams from the west.  I could understand if they
>would post early editions and then add stuff in and repost later the next
>day, but apparently they think that the Pacific Time Zone doesn't exist.

Well, I'd guess that Clarinet has limited resources. They probably only have
enough time/money/reporters/whatever to cover college BASKETBALL. If you and
enough of your buddies (like GaRY and that Kennedy fellow from ASU) write to
Clarinet and tell them about the overwhelming net interest in PAC-10
stiffball, Clarinet may decide that it is worthwhile to cover this rather
awkward and obscure variant of basketball. Who knows, stranger things have
happened; Clarinet apparently covers the Big East.

There is one aspect of my childhood/teenage years that I deeply regret:
during those years I was a UCLA fan. This caused my father much heartache and
pain. Can I ever be forgiven????  By the way, my dad did say I would
eventually come to my senses.....

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
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From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Destiny Night at FSU
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:34:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.003310.10882@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>
>p.s. To all you guys who said FSU wasn't a top 25 team: IN YOUR _FAAAACE_!!!
Have you heard of the Duke curse?
I hope FSU won't lose its next three games :-)
>
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UMASS!!! over Temple ..... A Thriller !!!
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:56:59 GMT

In article <1jnsnuINNnrs@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu>, sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin) writes:
> }} In article <19674.2b5f0ce9@ecs.umass.edu> rajain@ecs.umass.edu writes:
> }} 
> }} Hope Harper's return sparks a run for the Minutemen.....which they need
> }} desperately...
> 
> Oh GaaRrrRrrRRrRYyyyY...

	haw! haw! HAW! gArRrRrRyY'sS gggggoooooooone :-)

	Please redial again !!!


> 
> sjc@cs.purdue.edu                 Steve Chapin                 ...!purdue!sjc
>                The effect of his affected accent affected her,
>                   and effected a change in her affections.
> 
>        "A man has made at least a start on discovering the meaning of
>        human life when he plants shade trees under which he knows full
>                  well he will never sit."  (Elton Trueblood)
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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Question for Seton Hall/Big East Fans
Keywords: Adrian Griffin
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:12:42 GMT


I was wondering if anyone could fill me in on the progress of Seton
Hall freshman, Adrian Griffin, who hails from Wichita, KS.  I noticed
that he started for the Hall last night and led them in rebounding and
assists.

Last year, Carlesimo walked into the state of Kansas and signed
Griffin and guard Craig Duerksen. At the time, I thought he was nuts.
After all, Kansas paid little or no attention to either one.  I'm not
sure K-State did, either.  Damn, it is starting to look like Roy
Williams dropped the ball on Griffin.  He seems to be just the kind of
player Kansas needs now -- a kid who can come off the bench and grab
rebounds.  

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu

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From: dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu (David Mathias)
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:56:46 GMT

In article <1jq2q6INNke6@gap.caltech.edu> eastout@ugcs.caltech.edu (Eric A Stout) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>                                                                          if
>Villanova could do it in '85 with half the team high on cocaine, why not? 
>
[stuff deleted]

>Eric A. Stout
>eastout@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu
>(A translocated Hoosier, for anyone who wonders where my biases lie)
>

I think you forgot the smileys.  The total of the evidence against 'Nova 
was an article written by Gary McLain (sp?) for which he was PAID.  Even he,
I believe, did not implicate his teammates as users.  He said that they 
knew he used and did nothing about it, which, if true, is not flattering
for the team but is not as bad as all of them using.  Personally, I'm not
so sure that you can believe much of what he said in the article.


-- 

David Mathias    Washington University in St Louis    dmath@bluehen.wustl.edu

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From: harveyc@seq.uncwil.edu (harveyc chet x)
Subject: Re: February 3, 1993
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:11:44 GMT

Now that Duke has lost to FSU, the Heels will show know mercy to
them. Watch out Mr. Parks, a real post-up player is coming to town.
Watch out Bobby, your brother couldn't handle them; now it's your
turn to cry (yet again) 8-). God how I hope Dean gets another chance
to play IU in a couple of months.
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: BEST NCAA COACH! Who? Let's hear it!
Organization: American Math. Society
	<trev.727325721@well.sf.ca.us>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:15:56 GMT


Obviously, Steve Fisher is the best: one National Championship and one
2nd place finish in the tourney in 4(?) years. 

Oh, pardon me, I must have slipped and hit my head.


-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?

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From: jen@ms.uky.edu (Jennifer B. Burch)
Subject: Re: Kentucky's Aminu Timberlake
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:04:06 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

|HL Rogers writes:
|>
|>After he calmed down, he said that Pitino hopes Timberlake will
|>get the message and leave - he needs Timberlake's scholarship.
|>Anybody know more about this?
|>-- 

|Only Pitino knows. But early in the season there was an article about
|how Pitino tried to motivate Riddick to do better by threatening to
|ignore him and banish him to the bench. There was no accompanying
|reference to Timberlake, who has been banished to the bench. But, yes,
|there has been lots of water cooler chit-chat about Timberlake pulling
|up stakes after the season is over.
|-- 
|Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> U.P. OR BUST!


   Well Aminu got in the game last night, in both halves even!  Although
he didn't look especially great or anything, a lot of it was probably
a lot due to nervousness.

   Maybe now we will see Aminu and Svaboda once in a while now.

Jen 

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From: rlharrin@unix.amherst.edu (Rich Harrington)
Subject: Re: North Carolina #1 ... :-(
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:17:21 GMT

JJB146@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
: 
:Ouch!! It looks like it's true! If it wasn't for a fluke basket by Jalen Rose
:UNC would be undefeated. Carolina is truly playing the best basketball in the
:nation, they've played some of the best teams in the country, and have one all
:but one game. The way they are playing is reminiscent of Duke's no-one-can-
:touch-us style from last year. Let's face it, Dookies, Hoosiers, Wolverines,
:Wildcats, and Jayhawks alike, Dean has THE TEAM TO BEAT.
:                                                         -jim
:          ************************************************
:          * PSU-Hazleton  |  Go Duke!   |    Jim Bonczek *
:          * JJB146@      / Dean's got 1, \ psuvm.psu.edu *
:          *            /  Mike's got 2!!!  \             *
:          ************************************************

   And it looks like tonight FSU might just do the job.  We'll see; IU 
survived its scare tonight.

--
           Rich Harrington -- Probably not related to Othella
rlharrington@amherst.edu	   "Whatever happened to the Hessians, anyway?
rlharrin@unix.amherst.edu	       You never see them around."
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