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From: ken%seaweed.uucp@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Seefried III)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Sun CD-ROM on SCO 3.2.4?
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:17:43 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
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I have a client with several Sun CD-ROM devices.  They would like to 
use a few of these on SCO 3.2.4 and ODT 2 systems, but I've had no
luck making this happen.  These known good drive are simply never 
found by the software (they are found by the PS/2-90 SCSI config
stuff).

So...am I looking at a hardware compatability problem?  Anyone have
any clue?

					- ken
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: d166alab@utarlg.uta.edu (AJAY BARVE)
Subject: /dev/u problems
NewsSoftware: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
NntpPostingHost: utarlg.uta.edu
MessageID: <17AUG199209583935@utarlg.uta.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:58:00 GMT
X-Bytes: 465

We had a server crash today.  After rebooting the server I tried
to mount /dev/u however I got the error message that " cannot stat 
/dev/u " so I tried to do a fsck on /dev/u which gave me an
error message that " cannot determine filesystem type of /dev/u "
I need help!!!!.  Have I lost all the information on /dev/u.  If not
how can I go about recovering from this problem.     

All suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

Ajay Barve.
d166alab@utarlg.uta.edu
From: Ray_Simkus@mindlink.bc.ca (Ray Simkus)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Deskview X
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:25:31 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I am interested in having a setup where phonecall via modem comming into a
machine running SCO Unix can be routed to and run programs in the DOS partition
of the UNIX machine or as an alternative to a separate DOS machine.  It would
be nice if it was possible to run a Windows program in this way.

Would DeskviewX be able to do this?  Would each remot user need to have
DeskviewX? Is there some other way?

The main point is to allow the remote user access to programs and data on
CD-ROMS that run under DOS or Windows with no UNIX version. I have all my phone
lines connected to modems on my UNIX machine.

Thanks,  Ray
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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sysv386,wstd.general,alt.internet.services
From: steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr)
Subject: Would like to pay my checks from Unix like CheckFree/Quicken.
Organization: SysLang, Inc.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:37:52 GMT

I'm not sure what newsgroups to be be hitting for this, so if you
have any better suggestions, I'm wide open.

I am running Unix here at home and would like to pay checks
electronically like the CheckFree service that runs under DOS
Quicken. 

I have already given a call to the Quicken people to see if they
would share their protocol with the InterNet and maybe get rich
quick(en). No dice.

If anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear it.
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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: briank@kimbro.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel at home)
Subject: Re: How to use mscreen?
Reply-To: briank@kimbro.Celestial.COM
Organization: Brian Kimmel - Home system, Seattle, Wa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 06:38:50 GMT
Keywords: Equinox, mscreen

rey@safn2 (rey) writes:

 [partial setup info deleted]

>	So far, so good. Now however, I cannot get another login on ttyp0,1. 
>	shift F1,2,3,4 do not give me another login. ctrl @, z do not give
>	a login. esc w 0,1,2 seem to switch screens on the terminal - but
>	still no "login". I find 2 mscreen
>	processes on my login ttyaj; but cannot coax them to spawn a login.
>	getty's still running on ttyp0, ttyp1. How do I access them?
>	The shift-F7 output show "current terminal is (null)". I think
>	that is a problem. How do I inform mscreen what my current terminal is?
>	How does one start a second session with mscreen?

I see no mention of setting up your escape sequences in /etc/mscreencap

As I recall, the FM is a little obscure :-} but we do have it running at
work on a digiboard and using double-view from digiboard.  The only problem
I see with it is some sort of buffer/timing problem when using micro-emacs
to edit.

If anyone wants some more help, write me at work 
     briank@ars2.kimbro.seaslug.org

This is a very new address and I want to be sure it works.  I am leaving my
home Reply-to: address in the header in case the org address bounces.

Brian
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From: lee@dlpco.dlpco.COM (Lee Penn)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: odt-data upgrade cost
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:44:31 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
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>From uunet.uucp!xenitec.on.ca!news Sat Aug 15 06:14:54 1992
>To: xenitec.on.ca!distribution@uunet
>Newsgroups: biz.sco.opendesktop
>Path: xenitec!news
>From: xenitec.on.ca!uunet!88opensi!ichabod!tbr@uunet (Terry Rhodes)
>Subject: odt-data upgrade cost
>Submit-To: scoodt@xenitec.on.ca
>Organization: [resent by] The SCOODT gateway and Propagation Society
>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:42:41 GMT
>Message-Id: <9208142342.AA01202@ichabod.88OPEN.ORG>
>Sender: xenitec.on.ca!news@uunet

>hi netters,

>i contacted Ingres for the "free" ODT-DATA 6.2 to 6.4 upgrade that
>I had heard of and found out it will cost me $900.00.

>I need this upgrade and will pay if i have to, but i thought i would
>check and make sure that there really isnt a free upgrade available
>first.

>can some kind soul confirm just what upgrade procedures are available.

>thanks

>tbr

I have spoken to Ingres many times and they have confirmed the 
upgrade prices.

I have a real problem with there products though.  I recently 
competed for a really big deal for Open Systems business with a 
major retail chain.  They were looking for a Data Base engine and 
were currently using Ingress with a model project under ODT.  It 
was working very well for them and they were happy with the 
product.....

Ingres did not participate in the bidding for over 300 copies of 
the product.  They gave the major retail chain NO information or 
assistance.

This cannot be a real live company who would ignore this sort of 
business.  I cannot consider them a real product or competitor in 
the marketplace as a result of what happened.

In any case, hope you get what you are looking for, but you 
should also be wary of a product which has such a poor future.

================================================================================
Lee Penn,  DLP Technologies, Inc.                     Voice: 513 232-7791
SCO Advanced Product Center                           FAX: (513) 232-7801
7444 Jager Ct.
Cincinnati, OH  45230-4344                           email: lee@dlpco.COM
From: aris@unisup1.uucp (Aris Stathakis)
Newsgroups: sanet.list.sco,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Sun CD-ROM on SCO 3.2.4?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:28:50 GMT
Distribution: sanet
Organization: Lasernet (pty) Ltd.

In <1992Aug16.203017.5112@infopro.com> david@infopro.com writes:


>ken%seaweed.uucp@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Seefried III) writes:

>>I have a client with several Sun CD-ROM devices.  They would like to
>>use a few of these on SCO 3.2.4 and ODT 2 systems, but I've had no
>>luck making this happen.  These known good drive are simply never
>>found by the software (they are found by the PS/2-90 SCSI config
>>stuff).

>While doing research for a CD-ROM article in Open Systems Today a few
>months ago, I found that Sun CD-ROM drives are specially modified Sony
>drives that have a different blocking factor so's they can read a UFS
>(Unix File System) and therefore boot from CD. In other words, this will
>not work unless you can get the original PROM from a regular Sony drive to
>make it "normal" again. Note than Sony drives are not supported under SCO,
>so I think you're SOL.

Not supported, but I have used SONY drives under SCO UNIX 3.2v4 and they
appear to work OK.

Aris

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From: oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Query about biz.sco.sources
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:39:08 GMT
Organization: smallo.bo.open.de Fido-SubNet-Gate : 2:245/5800.12

eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:

>Actually, it was 101 articles totalling about 6 megs. :-)
Thats not bad, the more the better - comp.sources.*  are dead, so I
like every Source I get from biz.sco.sources...

Bye, Olaf

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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: a3@rivm.nl (Adri Verhoef)
Subject: newgroup biz.sco.sources never received here
Organization: Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieuhygiene,Bilthoven,NL
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:46:14 GMT

As the subject says, we never got a newgroup for biz.sco.sources
Thought you'd be interested to hear this...
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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: index of postings to BIZ.SCO.SOURCES (was Re: index of postings to BIZ.SCO.GENERAL)
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:54:10 GMT
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA

In article <1992Aug12.203537.15558@ceadg> jack@ceadg.UUCP () writes:
>What I am wondering is where are these files posted and/or archived.
>I have watched biz.sco.general and other groups and have not yet found 
>any of these postings

The original Subject line was incorrect.  The source articles
were posted to biz.sco.sources.
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From: oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: /bin/su root ???
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:11:19 GMT
Organization: smallo.bo.open.de Fido-SubNet-Gate : 2:245/5800.12

belal@sco.COM (Bela Lubkin) writes:

>Before I get to the question: I, and SCO, highly recommend against
>setting root's shell to /bin/csh.  You've dealt with some of the
>consequences, but there may be several other less obvious ones.  For
>instance, if you are running 3.2v2, you may now observe that your mount
>table is trashed?  I recommend instead making an alternate /etc/passwd
>entry called "rootcsh", with UID 0 and /bin/csh for shell.  I use
>"rootksh" on my machine.  Attached below is a document on this.

I always have my root account running 'tcsh' and have never had
problems with that, neither 3.2.2 nor 3.2.4. 

Bye, Olaf

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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence)
Subject: Can someone explain "hung" com ports?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: biz
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:21:21 GMT


I wonder if someone can explain to me how (in the absence or
even in the presence of hardware problems) this can happen:

Client complaint: modem not working.  Suddenly, as in died in the 
midst of a communication session.

'stty -a < /dev/tty1a' delivers what you would expect.
'stty -a < /dev/tty1A' hangs.

Same reaction with modem disconnected (which I would expect).
Symptoms persist through shutdown, poweroff and reboot.

Port is NOT enabled; both 1a and 1A have correct ownership/perms
(and besides 'stty' was as root).  No processes running on
port (ps -elf | grep "1[aA]" and ps -t show nothing).

With modem connected, 'cu -l/dev/tty1a' works, but once you
connect to another system, garbage characters.

Connected a terminal to the port (1a) and found that it works
at 9600 and 4800 baud, receives and xmits garbage at 19200, 1200 and
2400, and is flat absolute dead at 300 baud.  This tends to
explain the modem problem :-)

I have to assume a bad com port, but if anyone can explain it
to me I sure am curious.  The thing that is most curious to
me is why 1A hangs totally when 1a doesn't. (That is, it's
not curious if the hardware is bad, but is otherwise). I assume that
an open of 1A expects to see CD, and maybe if the port IS bad 
it isn't, but is there any other reason to hang?

Horribly phrased question.  What I'm trying to say is IF the hardware
turns out to be good, can anyone think of a software explanation 
for this?


		Tony


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Xenix/Unix support,etc 	 	 Boston		 Seattle
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: FAX Solution Needed
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:18:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: compu.1992Aug12.171856.3713
Organization: CompuData Inc.

lee@dlpco.dlpco.COM (Lee Penn) writes:

>If a customer wants the "pretties", he need the iron to run it
>on.  Going cheap at the workstations will not provide good
>performance.

>If a cheap machine is to be used, then avoid Windows period.  JSB
>is not the issue here, Windows is.

We just installed one on a 486/33 w/8MB and 17" Nanao monitor. The UNIX box it 
is attached to is a miserly 386/25. 

Like I said earlier it's a pretty sight. The user will probably give up on SCO 
Word and simply use Word for Windows while grabbing data from the central 
server as needed for mail-merges etc.

No TCP/IP, just a line from the corollary and all is well.

Fred
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From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: SCO UNIX System Performance
Summary: how's the motherboard cache?
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:21:55 GMT
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA

In article <1992Aug14.143622.16232@bullns.on01.bull.ca> alee@bullns.on01.bull.ca (Anthony Lee) writes:
>I have a 486 based PC running SCO UNIX.  Recently, I have upgrade the system memory from 32MB to 16MB.  The performance has degraded substantially.  When talking to SCO.  I am told that SCO runs terribly for system with > 16MB of RAM.  Somehow, I do not believe this is quite right.  

Gee, that sounds like something familiar.  Why don't I just
relate the story to you....

Running an ODT server, network server, a few users, some apps, and
a fairly major regional news and mail hub, and some public archives,
and a WAIS server, and doing all the biz.sco.* newsgroup<>mailinglist
gating, and ... you get the idea, we were really hurting for memory
when we only had 16 megs.  This is a 486/33, so processor cycles
weren't really the issue, we just needed more RAM.  So, I go out and
buy some nice 60nsec Jap RAM, plug it in and hold my breath.
Everything comes up, but x386mon tells me that we are now eating CPU
cycles like crazy, constant 100% useage with the run queue piling up.
  [insert a month of struggle, experimentation, and listening
   to motherboard techs tell me that the mb runs fine with 32
    megs of RAM and a 64k mb cache]
One morning it dawned on me that even SRAM has become cheap these
days, so inspite of the guffaws from the motherboard people, I
splurged the $100 and dropped in new chips to bring my cache up
to 256k, put the extra DRAM back in (I had had to pull it, it was
so bad), and whoosh, the box took off and never lacked for CPU
cycles again (and we rarely swap).

My conclusion:  if you know what you're doing with the os, the
problem usually boils down to the damn hardware.  In our case
it was insufficient motherboard cache.

I wonder if your problem might be addressed in the same way.
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From: lee@dlpco.dlpco.COM (Lee Penn)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: MAC networking: Looking for Solution
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:07:32 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
Submit-To: scogen@xenitec.on.ca
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I have a customer who is looking for a clean way to connect 
MAC's, SCO ODT Server, and DOS PC's into a semblance of Peer to 
Peer to connectivity; that is, he wants each of the MACs to be 
visible to the other MACs as well as the ODT Server.  I'm not at 
all sure what product fits the bill here.

BTW:  Apparently LOCUS is not have a huge sales success with the 
SCO ODT PCI<->MACINTOSH solution and it is back burnered for the 
moment.  In fact, it currently does not work on ODT 2.0 (only on 
ODT 1.1).  I really like the PCI product.  It installs easily and 
the documentation is very uncluttered.  I'd use the MAC version 
in a moment if I was not afraid it might become an orphan.


================================================================================
Lee Penn,  DLP Technologies, Inc.                     Voice: 513 232-7791
SCO Advanced Product Center                           FAX: (513) 232-7801
7444 Jager Ct.
Cincinnati, OH  45230-4344                           email: lee@dlpco.COM
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: d166alab@utarlg.uta.edu (AJAY BARVE)
Subject: ODT 2.0 Installation from tape
NewsSoftware: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
NntpPostingHost: utarlg.uta.edu
MessageID: <18AUG199218384983@utarlg.uta.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:38:00 GMT
X-Bytes: 1035

I am trying to install ODT 2.0 from tape.  We have a Maynstream
250Q tape drive that uses a QIC02 controller card.  The card
uses the base address of 0x370, IRQ of 5 and DMA of 3.  The
installation script does not list this drive, so I tried using 
the ARCHIVE brand for type of drive.  Secondly the base Address
The card uses is not listed as a choice. (Avaialbe addresses only
go upto 0x338).

My question is What should I do.  Will I be able to Install from
tape or should I try and get the floppy media.

P.S One thing I forgot to mention is that when the configured hardware
screen shows up it says that the tape drive could not be found.  Thus
I am unable to proceed with the installation beyond this point.  I
have tried several things,  making sure the hardware(card) jumpers 
are correct for the specified DMA,IRQ and BASEADDRESS.  I have
even tried specifying the tape configuration at the boot prompt
bu no luck.

Please Help I am STUCK.

Ajay Barve
d166alab@utarlg.uta.edu

University of Texas at Arlington.
(817) 2733023

Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield)
Subject: TCP/IP connection times when nameserver running
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: biz
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:36:39 GMT

Hi,

When we run the name server, 'named', our connection times using TELNET into
the SCO machine slow to a crawl.  It takes over 1 min to receive the login:
prompt.  We know that the name server itself is delivering name resolution
quickly, because CUTE/TCP "TELBIN" lets us know when name resloution is
complete and when it is beginning to try and make a connection.

Is there any buffer or STREAMs parameter that we should tweak to give 'named'
the resources it needs without slowing down other TCP/IP connection times?

This slows down connection times to the point that inbound mail coming into
an SMTPD server abort the connections many times before the mail ever gets 
through.  If the 'named' process is killed, the SMTPD connection is established
immediately and the mail is delivered.

Thanks in advance

-Dean
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From: paul@openage.COM (Paul A. Fischer, Sr UNIX Sys Consultant)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: biz.sco.sources: missed again
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:25:35 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
Submit-To: scogen@xenitec.on.ca
Precedence: bulk

I missed the postings to biz.sco.sources.  My news feed was down.
Could some kind soul (only-one pleas, like the moderator) please e-mail them to 
meif at all feasible.


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Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Disk Heating (Was: fsck: can't read blk xx, SCSI)
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:53:39 GMT

In <a37ePB2w164w@zswamp.UUCP> geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh) writes:

:wehler@welfa4.elektro.uni-wuppertal.de (Andreas Wehler) writes:

:> We had problems with unreadable blocks at SCSI disks, which were
:> caused from a too high disk temperature, I think.

:   I see fewer and fewer of these... but I have a fan blowing directly onto my 
:hard drive anyway (before my current fetish for Conner drives, I had a thing 
:for Miniscribe drives... which make great hotplates).

:   This problem was very common with drives that used stepper motors for 
:positioning the heads, since heat expansion (and wear) caused the positioning 
:of the head to change relative to the magnetic tracks.  I'm not sure, but I 
:believe that voice coil drives are supposed to be less vulnerable to this, 
:since they use servo tracks to locate the data track, regardless of where it 
:might have moved to... unless different platters are affected differently. 

I just had a problem with an overheating Quantum SCSI drive.  The
problem is exacerbated by the typically anemic cooling in a cheap
mini-tower.  This machine is a minimal configuration with two
floppies and the 20?MB Quantum internal drive.  It failed while
my main machine, an Intel 303 tower with a 675MB Wren hard drive
(now you talk about hot-plates :-), SONY MO Drive, two floppies
just kept chugging away.  The Intel has a LARGE fan and properly
engineered cooling while the no-name mini-tower depends solely on
the fan in the power supply.

Bill
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From: terry@pride386.PP.COM (Terry B Lyons)
Newsgroups: biz.sco.general
Subject: wb dialer
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:16:35 GMT
Organization: [resent by] The SCOGEN gateway and Propagation Society
Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca
Submit-To: scogen@xenitec.on.ca
Precedence: bulk

there ws a lot of discusion about a dialer for the WB did one 
ever get made ??
terry
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