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From: jdr@oin.unh.edu (John D Russo)
Subject: Re: remakes
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:08:43 GMT

In article <randall.717805096@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Scott J. Kleper) writes:
>
>>I don't know exactly why, but I always hate hearing remakes of 
>>Beatles' songs. Maybe it's because there's no need to mess with
>>perfection. What do you all think about them? (For example, I 
>>_hated_ Debbie Gibson's (or was it Tiffany's) I saw _Him_ Standing
>>There. (I guess I hated her anyway, tho.) :-)
>
>
>I really do not like Elton's "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds", which
>was the Fabs remake that did the best on the charts.  Yuck.
>
Another one that wasn't that great was Richie Havens' version of 
 "Here Comes The Sun".   Just my $.02
From: pdb@csthor.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Derek Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: THRILLINGTON
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:03:10 GMT
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth

Keywords: 
Does anybody know anything about the availability of Macca's album
THRILLINGTON under the assumed name of Percy  "Thrills" Thrillington
(or something like that) i.e. where can it be obtained from and what is 
the current going rate for a mint or excellent copy.Any info  will be 
most welcome.
      Ram On
         Patrick.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: fanyl@vms2.iscs.nus.sg (FAN YENG LOON)
Subject: BOOK: "The Immortal John Lennon"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: National University of Singapore Dept. of Computer Sc.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:22:00 GMT

Hi!!!  I've recently bought this book, "The Immortal John Lennon (1940-1980)" 
edited by Michael Heatley and published by Viscount Books (of UK origins I 
suspect).  It's an interesting folio-sized book giving a terse account of 
Lennon's musical career, from his Liverpool days to his Double Fantasy.  
Ninety-six pages in all (with well over 75 illustrations). 

Curiously enough, I'd like to know if this is a brand new book, as no printing 
history is found on the book and it is not listed under our r.m.b book list (my
copy was last updated in March '92).

Many thanks in advance for any info offered!!  *8')

--
apple "swingin' low" core  | "The guitar's all right, John,           | Hired.
fanyl@nusdiscs.bitnet      |  but you'll never make a living at it."  | Tired?
fanyl@iscs.nus.sg          |                          - Aunt Mimi     | Fired!
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Lucy in The Sky (was What about REMAKES?)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.202716.6615@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>cnc405@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:

>John and my friend, always struck me as similar in that, and both
>wanted to get their stuff done right away, while it was still fresh.
>They also both seemed to get heavily into things for a while and
>later turn around and say "That was stupid, but this stuff I'm into
>*now* is definitely *it*!!"

But, John said as much in a painting he made during the househusband era.
(Lithographs of which are being sold during the current "Art of John Lennon"
tour)

A 1980-era John is walking down a NYC street with Sean.  He passes and greets
a figure clearly supposed to be a 1969-era Lennon (long hair, beard, round
granny glasses).  The 1969-Lennon says "I'm into Jazz, man, what about you?"
to which the 1980-Lennon replies "Actually, I'm trying to avoid it!"

A cute piece of art in the inimitable Lennon style.  Would've bought it if
I had a spare $1000.00 laying around ;-)

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: patio@infochi.com (patio)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 00:10:01 CDT
Organization: Infochi System of Chicago

patio@infochi.com (patio) writes:

> > Having said all the above, I invariably HATE covers of Beatles songs.  Even
> > the cover makes some sense if considered as a new work, the weight of the
> > original is so strong for me, and my emotions so tied up in it, that I can'
> > stand the idea.  If someone did manage to come up with a version that was (
> > be like improving Van Gogh or something.
> I don't have a problem so much with covers, as I do with using Beatles 
> songs to sell cars or John's songs to sell gym shoes. I think a cover is 
> like a compliment, but commercials are exploitive.
> 

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: McCartney CD bonus tracks
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:07:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.041451.24503@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu 
(edward s. chen) writes:
>McCartney II: none

I think McCartney II has "Check My Machine" (a single B-side, from the
"Waterfalls" single, perhaps).

>Give My Regards to Broad Street: "Goodnight Princess" "So Bad"

I think the "Eleanor's Dream" track on the CD runs much longer than on the 
LP, though I have no idea about the cassette.

And on the subject of "Band on the Run" which Edward runs down fairly
thoroughly in another article:

I have a Capitol CD with a Japanese-made CD (disc is painted black on label
side) without "Helen Wheels" on it.  I also have a Capitol CD with a US-made
CD (text painted on otherwise bare label side) that has "Helen Wheels" on it--
although it does not list it on the disc itself or on any of the jewelbox 
inserts!  The sole mention of "Helen Wheels" is on the longbox itself, which 
has a red sticker applied to the front reading "Includes 'Helen Wheels'".

Are either of these worth anything?

--
Jay C. Smith
Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Good.  For a minute I thought we were in trouble."
From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Lucy in The Sky (was What about REMAKES?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:27:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

cnc405@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:

>Speaking of remakes, I'll repeat a question I got no response on a month or so ago.
>Didn't John say in an interview somewhere that he preferred Elton's "Lucy.." to the
>Beatles original? I'm SURE I saw this somewhere. (btw if so, he was clearly right:)

Yes, I'm sure he said it.
But in that sense John always reminded me of a songwriter friend
of mine who would always say that the stuff he was doing right
this instant was good, but all his older stuff was crap.

I think songwriters/musicians tend to get tired of their older
material fairly quickly because the public want to hear the same
stuff over and over, while the artist wants to grow...

John and my friend, always struck me as similar in that, and both
wanted to get their stuff done right away, while it was still fresh.
They also both seemed to get heavily into things for a while and
later turn around and say "That was stupid, but this stuff I'm into
*now* is definitely *it*!!"

(Ah, these flighty artist types....)

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki)
Subject: Gems from Lewisohn's "Chron"
Reply-To: dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:11:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.174021.20238@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>Items from Lewisohn's new "The Complete Beatles Chronicle"--
>
>--Tony Sheridan played the lead guitar break on "My Bonnie".  Didn't we
>all think it was George?  This does explain why George seemed to need
>practice playing breaks two years later.

No, no question that it had to be someone other than George. Look,
I love the guy, but he couldn't play an accomplished lead *quite*
this early in his career...his expertise was built upon rote practice.
It always sounded like another guitarist to me, but I didn't know
exactly who it might be. I suppose Lewisohn's now uncovered the
mystery.

>--The mono and stereo "Help!" (the song) are the same take, not
>different vocal takes.  Lewisohn says they were "edited" differently,
>whatever that could mean.  I don't understand this one.

Pshaw and double-pshaw. These are two different vocal takes; I'll
stake money on it. All Lewisohn has to do is listen to the phrasing
in John's delivery---it's different in the lyric "And I do appreciate
you bein' 'round" (listen to the pronunciation of "do" in particular
on both mono and stereo). Even if Lewisohn argues that these could
be "edited" (and why would they be, pray tell?), the grittiness of
the stereo vocals (as opposed to a smoother mono take)---there's
a tangible desperation in that stereo version---would belie any
existing documentation, if there is any.
-- 
"These four boys, who are superb instrumentalists, also
produce some exciting and pulsating vocals."
--------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu, under normal circumstances)
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Magical Misery Tour ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:11:05 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <5309@rosie.NeXT.COM> Doug_Mitchell@next.com (Doug Mitchell) writes:
>It's from the "Radio Dinner" LP. It came out around '73 or '74. Haven't  
>seen it in a store (on LP or CD or whatever) in years. What a great  
>recording! The Lennon voice was done by Tony Hendra, I think, who played  
>the British manager in This is Spinal Tap.

	Heh.  How quickly they forget.  Material that appeared on the
National Lampoon Radio Dinner album was all recycled from the (drum
roll please).... National Lampoon Radio Hour.  NLRH was a weekly
program that aired on a network (?) of stations that were I think
mostly college and non-commercial.  When  NLRH was on in New York it
played on WRVR-FM, a non-commercial all-jazz station.  I know that the
program didnt last for very long.  There may be some clues to it in
old back issues of National Lampoon from say 1972 or 73.  I dont know
what the date of the original airing of Magical Misery Tour was,
but I'll see if I can find out!

-- 
***********************************************************************
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* PO Box 3131 Church St Station, New Yawk, New Yawk, 10008-3131 (usa) *
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From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:26:08 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

"Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Actually, decent (even good) remakes aren't impossible (although I admit
>it only grudgingly). Fats Domino's "Lady Madonna," Ray Charles' "Eleanor
>Rigby,"  Sioux'sie's  "HSkelter," and others succeed at capturing the
                        ^^^^^^^^
>spirit and qualities of the originals. Of course, two of the
>aforementioned examples feature musical geniuses who were successful in
>their own rights; I suspect that for new bands the temptation is too

Not to pick nits, but I'm actually curious...

I know the Sioux crew did "Dear Prudence", did they do HS too,
or was this a typo?

PS. Anybody know where I can find a copy of Danielle Dax version
of "Tomorrow Never Knows"?  I've been looking since the first (and
only) time I heard it.  I'm beginning to think that maybe I imagined
the whole thing...  (but it was *so* cool!)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatle beeps
Date: 29 Sep 1992 21:12:49 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

Don't you people find that after about 20 minutes you get sick of hearing
cute sounds from your computer?  You're supposed to be listening to music
while you program, anyway.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: takamay@pell3l0.alleg.edu (Yui Takamatsu)
Subject: Re: THRILLINGTON
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.170310.29984@aber.ac.uk>  
pdb@csthor.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Patrick Derek Bell) writes:
> Keywords: 
> Does anybody know anything about the availability of Macca's album
> THRILLINGTON under the assumed name of Percy  "Thrills" Thrillington
> (or something like that) i.e. where can it be obtained from and what is 
> the current going rate for a mint or excellent copy.Any info  will be 
> most welcome.
>       Ram On
>          Patrick.
 I saw a boot of this a couple of weeks ago.  It was about $20-25.  I'm  
not sure about the price of the real one.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: EDIAS@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (EMILIANO A DIAS)
Subject: Tangent (was Re: Beatle "beeps")
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:13:59 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Sep25.220209.9008@en.ecn.purdue.edu> prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu writes:

> In article <1992Sep25.202551.18431@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
> >Let's not forget "I'm sorry .... Bitch!" at the end of Cry, Baby, Cry!
> 
> Is this REALLY what he's saying?  I've always thought so, but I just
> couldn't believe they'd put that in.
> 

Hey neat I never even new that this existed at the end of "Cry Baby, Cry"

Along a similar line, I read somewhere that in "Day Tripper", John actually
says "She's a PRICK teaser" is this true?



OBFav Beatle's Story:  Supposedly, when the Beatles first met Bob Dylan, he
was really impressed that they said ,"I get high" in "I Want to Hold Your Hand"
They replied that they weren't singing "I get high", they were singing,
"I can't hide" to which Bob replied, "Why would you want to hide from a girl?"


						Tony Dias
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: new stereo EP (was new CD single)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:

>I was not aware that the CD EP Collection had a bonus CD.  The principal 
>attraction of the EP set for me was the first CD release of a few songs in 
>mono plus the mono Magical Mystery Tour EP (the set includes both the mono 
>and stereo versions, right?).  But I have yet been unable to justify the
>expense of obtaining those few mixes on CD.  The original vinyl EP Collection 
>included a bonus EP which included stereo versions of "This Boy," "The Inner 
>Light," "She's A Woman," and "Baby, You're A Rich Man," but all of these have
>since seen stereo release on the Past Masters volumes.

Aaaah.  I see. Now that you mention it, I think they *did* say those
stereo mixes were first available with the EP box release in '88.
I also forgot to mention that the 'stereo' EP was titled "The Beatles".

Wait-a-minute! BYARM was NOT on Past Masters! (and I don't remember
TIL being stereo, but I don't have the disc here to check, so I could
easily be wrong)

Thanks out of advance...	I-)

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Subject: Re: Beatle "beeps"
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:14:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.144411.21625@cbfsb.cb.att.com> yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.171109.24964@pellns.alleg.edu> mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs) writes:
>>In article <lc646iINNaq7@news.bbn.com> rgranvil@bbn.com (Rob Granville)  
>>writes:
>>I would use the beginning of "Revolution" (not the White Album track, but  
>>the "single") -- John screaming "aagggggghhhhh!"
>The scream is done by Paul not John. If you check out the Imagine video
>that came out around 1988, they show a live performance of this. I think 
>they did this on the David Frost show.

Right, but that was on the David Frost show.  The RECORDED version features
John.  (I believe Lewisohn verifies this - if not, I apologize in advance.)

-- 
( David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu                                 )
( "Well now, what can a poor boy do, 'cept to sing for a rock-n-roll band?" )
(  -The Rolling Stones, "Street Fighting Man"                               )
From: dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Slide guitar/Mellotron SSF bootleg
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:48:06 GMT



In article <1992Sep28.132734.8958@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> ireland@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>
>Yes, the Slide guitar/mellotron version of SSF is available on a few bootleg
>CD's. We have 'em by the truck load here in Cleveland...
>

The best is Unsurpassed Masters Volume 3, which includes, I believe,
takes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,25,and 26.

Obligatory Caveat: 

"I, being of sound moral fiber, no nothing of where bootlegs may be 
purchased, heard, or fondled. I have absolutely no connection with 
any persons who manufacture, distribute, or sell such things.  
The contents of this article, inflammatory as they may be, are 
intended as a source of historical documentation for future 
generations and should not be misconstrued as an endorsement of,
or encouragement for the proliferation of such CDs."

---



David Faciane        | "I was just singing it in the toilet so I think
dave@ray.met.fsu.edu |  I should get it --Lennon, Abbey Road, 1965
From: galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:49:20 GMT
Organization: AI duPont Institute

In article <1992Sep29.162608.12516@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>Not to pick nits, but I'm actually curious...

>I know the Sioux crew did "Dear Prudence", did they do HS too,
>or was this a typo?

Nope- they did "Helter Skelter" on _The Scream_ (from 1978?)...

>PS. Anybody know where I can find a copy of Danielle Dax version
>of "Tomorrow Never Knows"?  I've been looking since the first (and
>only) time I heard it.  I'm beginning to think that maybe I imagined
>the whole thing...  (but it was *so* cool!)

It was both a single and on the album _Blast The Human Flower_.

-- 
Scott Galuska
Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
Univ of Delaware
galuska@asel.udel.edu
From: dschleef@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Mr Zeppelin and his band)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:41:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep29.134331.7575@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.005315.14361@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
>sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu hates:
>>Debbie Gibson's (or was it Tiffany's) I saw _Him_ Standing
>>There. (I guess I hated her anyway, tho.) :-)
>
>Tiff!  The one that remade old hits, not the one that writes her own!
>
>I noticed in Lewisohn's "Chronicles" that Lulu, or someone like that,
>did "I saw him standing there" in 1965.
>
>--Joe Brennan

   It's not just Tiffany, but a lot of the pop singers lately (aimed mostly
at a pre-teen/young teenager audience) don't write their own songs.  Whether
or not this has ever been so I cannot say.  But I know that most of these
performers are just that, they only have singing talent, and usually not
much at that.
   By the way, in my computer database I have a field for a performer
and a field for the writer/composer.  For classical music this is obvious,
but for rock/pop this shouldn'y be the case, should it?  I give credit
to whomever writes a majority of the titles, or to various if there is no
majority.
   It is interesting to note that _Please Please Me_ just barely makes it
into the "written by the Beatles" category by this definition.  However,
_The early tapes of the Beatles_ does not.

dave.
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Fabs first EMI contract
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:17:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc2

In article <randall.718332578@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

>Martin makes an interesting comment in "The Making of Sgt. Pepper":
>
>   John and Paul couldn't write a good song at all when they started.
>   "Love Me Do" was the best they could come up with.  The blossoming
>   of their songwriting talent later was remarkable.
>
>He was speaking the truth.  The Lennon-McCartney songs on the Decca

Not true! They had written "I saw her standing there" which is a classic
song.

Just MHO,

Ross-c

PS: I have to write some more text here because if I don't write more
original text than quoted text the NNTP server I am using will reject my
article so I will have to keep on going and say something really trivial
like the Mayumi Chiwaki version of AHDN is really cute, the way she did
all the instruments just by sampling her own voice and maybe this is 
enough and I can stop here.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki)
Subject: Lewisohn's "The Book" in Hardback
Reply-To: dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:12:32 GMT

In article <92266.102552ICSAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> Allen French <ICSAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Checking on the availability of "The Complete Beatles Chronicle," I
>found that one bookstore has a paperback of his earlier work for $17.95.
>I assume it originally came out as a hardback, which I would rather have.
>If so, how much is the hardback, and is it out of print? Allen

Hardback was originally $24.95. As far as I know it's not out
of print, though you may have to special-order it from your local
bookstore (paperbacks, being cheaper, are more cost-efficient to
keep in stock).

I bought my paperback in Liverpool in 1990, as an "office" copy
(the hardback resides at home). After many hours of use and
abuse, the paperback hasn't fallen apart. You might consider it
anyway....
-- 
"These four boys, who are superb instrumentalists, also
produce some exciting and pulsating vocals."
--------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu, under normal circumstances) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: Crazy Lewisohn thought...
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:22:33 GMT

From article <1992Sep24.092634.10983@waikato.ac.nz>, by deryl@waikato.ac.nz:
> Stand by for a crazy thought...
> 
> Some of you more long-standing r.m.bers may already have contemplated this,
> but... what's the bet that this Lewisohn guru has a computer... and possibly
> even a modem... and perhaps even the potential to belong to our illustrious
> band of r.m.bers??  Where does he work or live?  Has anyone ever communicated
> with him, and could we convince him to chat with us?

Well actually, Mark does NOT have any sort of online link to the net. 
I have met and corresponded with him, and (watch yourselves folks)
occasionally send him the better bits I read (with the author's
permission as nettiquette demands).

He does have a computer - but as the last time I checked it was an
amstrad pcw - even that definition is far fetched!  He claims to be
very non-computer literate, and only uses his machine for Word
Processing.  Methinks he needs a database!

Steve

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services
The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
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