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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Re: Where to ski this winter...
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:30:13 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <122930184@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:
>
>These are some of the reason why I think A-basin is a bad choice for
>out of towner:
>
>1) Altitude. 
>2) Cold.

>4) Lack of diversity. You pretty much get bored by mid day because there 
>5) No hotel/condos. You basically have to take a shuttle every morning

>My advice to out of state skiers is to go to Keystone, 

Sounds like good advice would be to buy a 5-day pass at another Summit 
County area and plan to shuttle to A-basis on the free day after skiing 
a few days at altitude -- and only if the weather is not bad.  

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From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boots recommendations wanted
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:30:24 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group


Ok. Fit is the single most important concern when purchasing boots.
Now, what about other features? How useful is the "walking position" feature?
Any opinions on the Rossignol/Lange Mid series? 

Also,
What are the respective nationalities of ski equipment companies?
Raichele--Sweden?
K2?
Rossignol--French?
Nordica?
Saloman?
.
.
.


Thanks for any help,
-hd
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Man-made snow
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 00:29:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

>>Actually, I do.  I'm just curious if others have noticed this "problem" with
>>the "wonderful" man-made stuff.  It seems to me that it actually reduces the
>>quality of the times of the year when "pretend" snow isn't needed...

This is because man-made snow lacks the crystaline branches on "flakes"
that natural snow has.  Hold a mitten or glove up to catch a few and view
them thru a lense, see the structure (colder lighter natural snow is easier
to view than than grapple or warmer wetter snow (this is harder to do on
the West coast, you want a really cold day)), next view the stuff from
snow blowers or guns (closer to grapple).

>The wierdest snow I ever skied was at Vail.				1.0

Must not deride Vail!

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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:24:10 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 03/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Are Steamboat L-tickets in the Gold-C?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:28:57 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello netters,

Has anyone gotten the new Gold-C coupons books yet?  I heard they 
came out on Sept. 18.  If someone has one of the new books, could
you tell me if there are any Steamboat lift ticket coupons in it 
and how many coupons are there per book.  Thanks.

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From: brenda@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Brenda L Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need info on Northern Colorado ski areas - day trips from Longmont
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:06:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Defense and Space Group, Seattle WA

Hi,

My mother lives in Longmont, CO, and I am contemplating spending
Christmas vacation there.  I took my first year of ski lessons last
year, but will be traveling with an advanced skier.  I know that Loveland
and Estes Park are near Longmont, but know nothing about the ski areas
there.

I'd be interested in any information on ski areas within day trip range
of Longmont, lift prices, and whether they would be good for both
beginning and advanced skiers.

Thanks



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From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Smart Ticket
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:33:20 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <11022@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>The fact that I need to take out my ticket disturbs me. I've skied lots of
>resorts in the Alps and almost all of them now have computer gates.
>Every time you unzip your jacket (no matter how bad it rains, sows...),
>pull out the ticket which has an elastic band going around your neck.

>The computer sucks in your ticket and spits it back out. In this moment
>the hard-plastic ski ticket with your flashy passport photo zips back into
>your face, neck or whatever can be harmed most by the edge ticket. I hate
>this! And all just to save the personal who used to check your ticket.

I remember skiing in the Dolomites using a Super ski pass. All the stores sold 
a special pass holder. It fastened to your jacket in the same manner a
lift ticket would. It contained a length of string which was spring loaded
to feed out and return automatically. When you entered a lift you grabbed your pass
and put it in the card reader, when the reader was done with it, the pass holder
wound up the string.

No opening of clothing was required.

Dave
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:21:05 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <SSH.92Sep30094250@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>WHat about the "extreme skier" classification?!   :-)   :-)

Hmm, I forgot this.  Perhaps we slot it in between 'intermediate' and
'advanced'.

>Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:00:59 GMT

A comment on classification:
 Racer is NOT necessarily an EXPERT.
 People of any age can RACE - it's an event, or activity. Some race better
 than others.
 I was a racer for several years, achieiving national ranking, BUT never
 considered myself an EXPERT skier!

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Banff & Lake Louise openings?
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:02:33 GMT

I am planning to take a ski trip over Thanksgiving this year.  Banff
looks like an awful lot of fun, but I think I can manage.  When does
the season open?  I have a chance to buy a ski package (4 nights) for
$589 per person (including airfare from Dallas/Ft Worth).  Is this a 
good deal?  This includes staying at the Banff Springs.  Seeing that I
have to buy this trip soon, I would like to know the chances of the 
slopes being open (I'd hate to blow $1,000 and have their be no snow). 
Does anyone know when the slopes open historically?

Please reply via email, I'll post a summary if I get some requests.

David 
dleon@seas.smu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Subject: Purgatory info
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:06:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


I'm interested in skiing Purgatory this winter (love that name)
but need some info. Does anyone have the address for the Colorado
Tourist Office, Purgatory, etc.? I would like to get my hands on
the usual glossy tourist propoganda stuff.
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Innovative Pricing ( was Re: Lift prices roll toward $50)
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:31:56 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, philba@microsoft.com (Phil Barrett) wrote:
>In article <1992Oct02.235948.6847@news.mentorg.com> phillipb@mentorg.com (Phil Bride) writes:
>>Mt. Bachelor in Oregon has moved to "innovative pricing." Last year 
>>they started a new ticketing program based on purchasing points.

  [stuff deleted]

>>  ..... The good news is that you can use the tickets 
>>for a couple of years good anytime....

That's this year. As soon as they get people used to this system, you will
see also sorts of jerk-the-customer games. Time zones which require higher 
points per run, some sort of code which makes the tickets nontransferable, etc.

> 
>They also sell unlimited use tickets.  as I recall, you have to really
>wimp-out to not get the per-run cost well below 3.30.  Sure, there are 
>cases where it might make sense to buy a point ticket.  I wonder how
>many of those partially used tickets get lost or otherwise unused.

In the east (and a few western days) I've bought tickets that I almost
immediately regreted because of extreme ice (and I can ski ice well!). But
I'd rather eat an occasional ticket than have someone ration my ski life.

As far as ultimate use of unused tickets, we can compare this situation with 
the tickets airlines issue to bumped passengers. I've heard that less than 20%
of all airline flight coupons issued ever get traded in. If this statistic 
applies to the lift ticket "points", then we can expect every ski area in 
the country to pick up on this game.

>This system really sucks.  I hope no other ski areas adopt it.  While
>in theory it means lower costs for the resort, the confusion and chaos
>that it causes far outweighs any benefit to the customer.

I always wanted to ski Bachelor. But the prior post convinces me that I should
pass this place up.

BTW, these cattle systems are expensive. I heard conflicting numbers that the 
one at Tremblanc (sp?) in Canada cost either $1.1M or $4M. At either investment
cost, you are talking the equivalent of a ski lift--with nothing but pain
for the skier.

Besides paying for the system, the skier is also paying for
the annual upkeep of the system too. The cost of this upkeep probably
compares with the "fare machines" which issue and handle the "points" for
the Metro (subway) in Washington, DC.  Their upkeep is one of the larger 
line items in the Metro system budget.

Jeff Hudgens
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Purgatory info
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:47:03 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 16:06:47 GMT, powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) said:

Jim> I'm interested in skiing Purgatory this winter (love that name)
Jim> but need some info. Does anyone have the address for the Colorado
Jim> Tourist Office, Purgatory, etc.? I would like to get my hands on
Jim> the usual glossy tourist propoganda stuff.

Colorado Ski Country USA has an 800 number, or can be reached at (303)
837-0793.  They'll send you a full package with all Colorado Ski Areas
information in it.
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pozderk@ecf.toronto.edu (POZDERKA STEVE JOSEPH)
Subject: Whistler
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:30:30 GMT

I am thinking of a ski trip to Whistler this year.  This will be my first time
to a ski resort with some REAL vertical.  I usually ski in Ontario or Vermont 
and so I am really looking forward to experiencing western skiing.

Since Whistler is so big, I was wondering if anyone who's been there can
Email me at  ( pozderk@ecf.toronto.edu ) and relate your experiences at 
Whistler.  Since there are so many runs here, and I want to make the most of 
this vacation,  I would appreciate hearing of your favourite runs (eg) steeps,  moguls, cruising runs etc... 

I've heard that Whistler has real party atmosphere apres-ski and I hope 
to experience the best of it, but if you know of any great off resort bars 
please mention these, as well as the atmosphere (dance,pub,rock, etc)

Thanks in advance to anybody who responds to this post!!!
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Denver-area Gold C discounts
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:04:23 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Here is a list of the skiing-related discounts in this year's Gold C coupon
book for the Boulder/Denver area.  For information on the books, call (303)
388-4668.  They cost $10 apiece, and also including dining discounts, and many
other coupons...


Lift tickets:

Keystone/A	$22	Nov24-Dec18, non-holiday
Keystone/A	$21	Opening-Nov25, Apr5-closing
Keystone/A	$30(x2)	all season
Keystone/A	$26	Thanksgiving day
Keystone/A	$26(x7)	Dec19-Feb12, non-holiday
A-Basin		$18	Opening-Dec24
A-Basin		$19	May3-closing
A-Basin		$21/23	Jan4-Feb12 (weekdays/weekends)
A-Basin		$24(x2)	All season
Breck		$20(x2)	Nov14-Nov25, Mar29-Apr11
Breck		$22(x2)	Nov30-Dec18
Breck		$27(x8)	Jan11-Feb28 (non-holiday)
Breck		$29(x4)	Mar1-Mar28
Breck		$29(x4)	All-day lesson, all season
Copper		$28(x5)	All season
Copper		$25	Christmas or New Year's Day
Copper		$27(x6)	Dec19-Feb12, non-holiday
Monarch		$16(x2)	All season, non-holiday
Silver Creek	$18(x2)	Jan4-Mar5
Silver Creek	$21	All season
Eldora		$15(x2)	Open-Dec18, Apr5-closing
Eldora		$22(x2)	Dec19-Apr5

Crested Butte	$22off two day ticket(x2), Jan4-Feb11
Crested Butte	$12off two day ticket(x2), Feb12-Mar5
Steamboat	$20off two day ticket(x2), Nov26-Dec11, Apr5-Apr11
Steamboat	$15off two day ticket(x2), Dec12-18, 1/3-2/13, 3/28-4/4
Tiehack		$42off two day ticket(x4), all season, non-holiday
Aspen		$34off two day ticket(x2), opening-Dec13
Aspen		$24off two day ticket(x4), Jan4-Feb12
Aspen		$14off two day ticket(x2), Feb13-Mar26
Aspen		$34off two day ticket(x2), Mar27-closing


There are lodging discounts for a number of areas, but most require short-term
reservations (no more than 14 days in advance).  There are ski rental discounts
(at Breeze and Gart).

Hope this helps some of you!
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Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:42:50 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 00:12:39 GMT, hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) said:

Hugh> (Koichi J Kishimoto) writes:
>Advanced: Skiing on difficult (diamond) terrain, parallel turns, 
>step turns.

>Expert : Skiing on outrageous terrain. Competitive skiing.

Hugh> Outrageous to whom?  Maybe change it to...

Hugh>   Expert recreational: Able to ski on any marked trail, and in any snow
Hugh>   conditions, _well_.

Hugh> ...and add...

Hugh>   Racer: competitive racer.  This to the side of "expert", rather than
Hugh>   following on from it.

WHat about the "extreme skier" classification?!   :-)   :-)
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From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowmaking while skiers are skiing (Was Re: KILLINGTON OPEN?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:51:46 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>Early in the season, I expect to find trails with snow guns going and dress
>>for it, and look over the mountain carefully, before picking trails to ski. 
>>These days, I try to pick my days of eastern skiing so I don't have to
>>ski in the
>>guns, but it's still the best way to get the legs in shape, and bad
>>skiing beats
>>good staying at home :-)

The only time I ever skied Killington, it was early in December.  My buddy
and I found a run that they were making snow on, but it was closed.  Later
in the day, they opened it, but kept the snowmaking up.  We started skiing
it, and I skied as cose to the guns as I could without taking a direct shot.
It was the closest thing to skiing Western powder in a blizzard that I ever
experienced in the east!  Really, I thought it was great skiing!  My buddy,
an upstate New York native who felt out of his element if he couldn't see
his own reflection in the snow surface, skied as far away from the guns as
he could.  The only problem with skiing so close to the guns was my having
to unload several pounds of snow and ice from my beard when we finally went
into the lodge.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Re: Where to ski this winter...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:33:09 GMT

In article <122930184@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
(Bruno Melli) writes:
>> Hey, leave A-basin out of this ! :)
>I agree.
Third.

>These are some of the reason why I think A-basin is a bad choice for
>out of towner:

Nice list.  You forgot about A-rock-a-ho.  Scraaaaap!

>1) Altitude. 
>2) Cold.
>3) Slow lifts.
>4) Lack of diversity. You pretty much get bored by mid day because there 
>5) No hotel/condos. You basically have to take a shuttle every morning
>6) No shopping. They only have one shop that is way overpriced.
>
>My advice to out of state skiers is to go to Keystone, 
>(Or even better, to Vail). You'll have a much better time skiing and
								3.0
Not a bad list at all.  Only left out the rocks.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 22:58:09 -0400 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50


    I don't have the slightest idea how many skiers subscribe to this
board but I suspect that we represent enough of a commercial base for
a successful petition against unwarranted/monopolistic inflation of
lift ticket prices etc...

    Why not have the electronic equivalent of a petition where bboard
subscribers could indicate their displeasure and contribute their 
names to an open letter....to be sent to ski industry representatives,
legislators?

    We do have a financial squeeze going on...and I suspect that
competitive forces are not really working that well because the industry
is rather limited and may easily engage in collusion.

-Harold

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: What, Raichele SWEDISH? (Re: Boots recommendations wanted)
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:20:10 GMT

In article <BvpEIH.6uB@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mkoechli@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marco Koechli) writes:
>
>
>  Raichele is a SWISS brand of ski boat.
                                ^^^^^^^^^---Is this the latest thing now??
Damn!, and here I thought I was keeping up with things and being sufficiently
trendy by having a ski board.... :) :)

----Steve
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personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Denver-area Gold C discounts
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:47:03 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 5 Oct 92 13:22:13 GMT, roy@ecgcurly.UUCP (ecghub   Roy Kern) said:

roy> How do these prices compare with the discount prices of getting your tickets
roy> at a King Soupers?  Let's say from after January 1st to the end of the ski
roy> season.

Good question.  They were pretty close last year (a buck different, I think).
Since King Soopers hasn't started to publish this year's rates, I can't tell
you, yet.  As soon as I see the new prices from the supermarkets, I'll post
them for ya'll...
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:13:56 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <122930185@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
(Bruno Melli) writes:
>For some reason I have a hard time visualizing surf fishing...
>What kind of surf board do you use ?

His surf is that area where the waves hit the shore. ;^)
That's surf fishing.  Very common in CA as well.

"Apocolypse Now:" perhaps one of the best surfing films ever made.

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