From: sandy@godzilla.quotron.com (Sanford Zelkovitz)
Subject: Re: Nixpub bashing
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:38:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.123131.23072@bts.com> phil@bts.com (Phil Eschallier) writes:
>
>the nixpub list has been bashed pretty severely and i have put up with
>a lot of shit in the last few days.  john from dixie has published an
>exchange of PRIVATE e-mail which i feel is out of line.  he has also
>bashed the list, calling it the public toilet list and complained
>about it in a handful of posts to alt.bbs -- even though he has
>publically stated that he doesn't want any new users, would prefer to
>advertise in a local journal, and now doesn't want to be listed in the
>nixpub list anyway.  it is not my intent to complain, in fact, i'm
>used to the logic (i have a 12 year old son).
>
>as to complaints i've read about ms-dos systems not being listed in
>the nixpub list -- this list is a list of UNIX (and variants) systems.
>i have never considered ms-dos a variant of unix and i don't see
>anyone complaining that they can't get their UNIX site into a list of
>cp/m or ms-dos sites.  in fact this issue came to a head a year or so
>ago, the result was that two individuals started the 'netpub' list.  i
>don't know the current status of this publication, but ms-dos users
>offering usenet (or whatever) should not be complaining about not
>being able to get into a list of unix sites.
>
>someone recently brought up coherent during the nixpub bashing.  i
>would consider this a variant of unix.  i'd be glad to here
>(thoughtful) comments on this -- in a different thread.
>
>as i have stated before, my goal for the nixpub list is that any
>individual with a copy of the list can call a unix site and get
>something.  this includes anonymous uucp.
>
>i don't want dixie (or any site) to change their policies just to be
>in this list.  i am not a control freak, just an individual that
>thinks public access unix is a worth while thing.  i don't want john
>to risk his system's security or waist resources by having a public
>login.  i have been flooded with e-mail over this issue of
>restrictions for get listed in the nixpub list.  although i did not
>keep an exact count, about 75% of the e-mail was in favor of current
>policy.
>
>as to statements i've read to the tune of "if phil gets rational and
>changes his policy ...", i am rational!!  i have clearly thought-out
>and stated my policies and beliefs.  the listing of public access unix
>sites IS a worth while cause, and i will continue to do so, to the
>best of my ability.
>
>
>
>

Phil, I have included your complete article ( minus your .signature ) 
since it DEFINATELY deserves to be repeated. You have done a fantastic
job keeping up the list and you should be praised for what you are doing
and have done for the entire public access Unix community.

I know exactly how you feel when others "flame" you for doing your part
to help promote public access Unix. Like yourself, I too try to help
the Unix community by giving away my XBBS code; however, I get "flamed"
for not returning long distant phone calls ( at my own expense )!
I have an online XBBS system running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
( I do not charge for access ) yet I get constant complaints that I
do not have enough new public domain software for people to download
( these are the same people that forgot what uploading of code means ).

Phil, please don't let this incident destroy what you have accomplished.
Just remember that there are people like myself out in "net-land" that
truely appreciate your efforts.

Thanks again,
Sandy



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