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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:04:55 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      the thieving magpie
              4 Jan 1993 11:29:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

<gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> sez:
>I did see something called _Theiving Magpie_.
>This contains 2 albums, one of them is _MC_, atleast I think it is. Can
>one of you Marillion nuts tell me if the whole _MC_ is on this?

_thieving magpie_ is a double live album, subtitled _la gadra lazza_ (which
probably translates to "the thieving magpie" in one of those romance lang-
uages that i can't speak). all of _misplaced childhood_ appears on disc 2
of this album. in fact, this might have been a better purchase as far as
greatest hits are concerned and, since marillion doesn't really do much
different from the studio renditions on stage, there's none of that pesky
"it doesn't sound right" problems like with other live albums... ;)

woj
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:07:17 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Marsha tries Bloom's method - mondopost!

Marsha writes:

>
> Bloom, I don't know if you're referring to me, but my name is spelled
> Marsha, if you are. You're right, I can't tell them apart. But the thing
> is, I don't like metal music very much. Now, you could probably find a band
> loosely described as metal that I WOULD like, but the thing is, it's  just
> not my cup of espresso. I've never much cared for division of types of
> music. There are many types of a cappella music - "choral" (any high school
> chorus doing "church type" music), "religious" (Take 6), "causal" (Sweet
> Honey in the Rock, The Flirtations), "classic" (The Persuasions),
> "progressive" (The Nylons), "weird" (The Bobs), "college"
> (self-explanatory...) "jazz a cappella" (Manhattan Transfer, Bobby
> McFerrin)...... I think you get my point. Many people couldn't tell them
> apart either. I think that's good. People should just hear the stuff - be
> exposed to it! Play me some metal that I'll like! Find a country singer I
> want to listen to! Force me to call a rap thing "music"!!!! Whip me, beat
> me, make me write bad checks!!!!!
>

     I just came from Brooklyn, where I spent last 4(?) days in a worm
company of heavily drunk and partially stoned russian emigres. About
yesterday we had a similar discussion - only the subject was Fusion
instead of Heavy Metal. I was trying to turn somebody to early
Mahavishnu Orchestra, and the person just wouldn't get into it. I think,
being exposed to a new genre does not suffice for being able to enjoy
it. Whenever you hear new music which does not fulfill your sonic
expectations (hello, Bloomdido!), you have to go through a certain
period of getting used to it. And often you have to make an effort of
'digging' into that stuff, trying to find what's going on there. People
who never listened to jazz often have troubles grasping a melody played
by a trumpet. People who grew up on western musical scales are not too
comfortable with ragas. (I had problems with McLaughlin's 'Shakti'
period quite similar to those my friend had with his early music). A
typical reaction to a new genre is "they're all the same" (be it Miles'
solos or Heavy Metal riffs). I find it somewhat similar to our visual
perception of faces, when 'uncommonness' of a face type dominates
all other features (aka europeans meeting chinese people and thinking
that they all look alike). Anyway, to get to a point: Marsha, if you do
want to enjoy Heavy Metal or any other kind of music that is 'not your
cup of espresso', prepare to put aside your pre-judgements and patiently
listen to the stuff. Sometimes it may turn worth an effort. :)
         Ilia.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:03:10 EST
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Keith kayos Kodak-karryin' kid

   The discussion on the ethics of photographing musicians in concert brings
to mind a Keith Jarrett solo piano improvisation concert I saw back in '81 or
'82 at the UMass Fine Arts Center, of which Tom Waits said in a concert in '79
"Nice place you got here..." (and he paused for the obligatory smattering of
applause by the local provincials) "...looks like it was designed by Helen
Keller."   But back to the story-at-hand:
   Anyway, Keith was in the midst of a 35-minute meandering on the keys,
complete with the quasi-orgasmic moaning, eye-clenching, and the attempting
to mate with middle C (if I were the stage manager I think I would have Super-
Glued the piano bench before the concert, and the remainder I'd pour into his
ChapStick), when a photographer showed up in front of the stage in hopes of
of capturing the performer and instrument in flagrante delicto for posterity
(or at least the campus newspaper).
   The gifted Mr. Jarrett opened his eyes, sat back down on the piano bench,
stopped the arpeggios, glared at Johnny Olsen and threatened, "If you don't
pack up that goddamned camera immediately I'm leaving the stage right now."
And after a pause, "No, I take that back. First I'll smash the camera; THEN
I'll walk off the stage."
   The photographer, nonplussed (I don't blame him; I'm sure I wouldn't be
plussed either), bundled up his armload of equipment and slinked away like
a rabbit escaping the Gillette factory. After Jarrett's gaze followed the
photographer all the way out of the concert hall, he breathed a sigh of
self-satisfaction, and then promptly resumed his noodling, yowling, and
gyrating against the Steinway, up until the inevitable standing ovation
and two curtain calls.

   Actually, this probably doesn't add much to the debate, does it?

 But at least we have a clue as to how George Winston was conceived,
 Rick
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:41:14 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Mozart Was First Rocker

No, I'm not on drugs (but... here comes a confession to remember for the 1993
Allmusic Nominations...I read the Weekly World News).  But first, gotta say how
nice it was to be nominated for various bizarre things--THANKS!  More
confessions: Allmusic has infinitely enlivened my life.  This might sound kind
of sappy but during those cool decades, the 60s and 70s, I was busting my butt
raising a kid, going to graduate school, teaching, while everybody else was
getting high (so it seemed) and hanging out; I was actually pretty isolated
from "the scene."  So here comes 1992 and I stumble onto this weird net
and I feel like I've gotten a second chance at digging cool music, meeting
some TRULY amazing people, and finally doing some hanging out of my own.
(I still recall how strange the first few days were when cryptic posts came
through by people WHO SEEMED TO KNOW EACH OTHER...the entire thing was the
cryptessence of cryptosity... With my heart in my hand I jumped in, casting
aspersions on SRV as a blues player, and somehow...I'm still here.)
And as long as I'm digressing from my digressions, re: being on drugs, it
is truly hilarious the degree to which my so-called reviews are considered "LSD
flashbacks" and "acidic daydreams" since I've never TOUCHED the stuff.  Not
that I think that you think that I would EVER... but it is funny. Oh well, not
so funny.  Now back to Mozart.  While reading the Weekly World News last night
(the only newspaper that is permitted to darken my doorstep) I found some
important stuff:

MOZART WROTE THE FIRST ROCK TUNE IN 1775.

"Move over, Elvis, Chuck Berry, and Bill Haley!  Rock'n'roll was created 200
years before your time by none other than Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

"Surprised researchers recently stumbled upon the words and music to a silly
little ditty penned by M. when he was 19 years old.  The song--called _Rock
Around the Kaiser_ [urk] is unlike any others attributed to Mozart, who is best
known for [etc...].... Handwriting experts have concluded the historic song was
indeed penned by M. six years before his first mature opera, _Idomeneo_, in
1781.  'It's certainly not one of Mozart's greatest works, but it is
significant due to the fact it is rock'n'roll,' says expert Karl Harnisch.

... I'll save the lyrics for another post--it's getting late and I've been here
ALMOST twelve hours, but first... more important stuff:

TOP PSYCHIC RECEIVES LETTERS FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE

"John Wayne believes television and the movies are leading the world toward
moral disaster."  [note: John obviously digs speed metal since he didn't
include it in his warning]

"John Lennon has promised to take part if Ringo, Paul and George ever get
together for a concert."

[and now for my fave]:

"Marilyn Monroe says Madonna is the Anti-Christ."

As far as I am concerned, the matter is settled.

Sonia
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:37:23 EST
From:         Alexis Naranjo <anaranjo@ECUANEX.EC>
Subject:      Re: Copulation is beautifulllll
              93 3:06 pm

fine after all when your on piazzola. To get high imho is to be able to
respond musically to wathever is not musical.
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
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Subject: astrud gilberto in concert
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:44:09 -0600
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She played at the China Club last night in Chicago.   Her band consisted
of piano/keyboards, trombone, guitar, bass, and drums.  She did a lot of
her old hits such as  One Note Samba, Aqua De Beber, and of course, the
Girl From Ipanema.  She seems to have written a lot of tunes over the
years, because the bulk of the tunes were written by herself.  The band
was very versatile, there was a roots piece on berimbau, lots
of solid jazz solos, and some tunes they rocked out on.  For the encore,
they did Duke Ellington's Caravan with an exciting Afro-samba groove.

Astrud had a very unpretentious stage persona.  Although the phrase
"just a housewife" will get one in trouble, that seems to fit.  She
definitely isn't out there sucking up to the crowd in order to satisfy star
ambitions, it was more like "this is our music, we do the best we can, 
we hope you like it".  And they delivered the goods.

Unfortunately, this wasn't the best venue to hear her.  They started
late due to tranportation problems (big snow storm), and of course the
club had very loud intermission music on.  There really wasn't any
refuge, the other room of the club complex was a disco.  So after the
warmup band, there was about 90 minutes of loud salsa on the house PA from 
which there was no relief.  Not that the music was bad, but I think the music 
would be better served if there was no music on during the breaks.  Then you
can talk to your party without straining yourself, and your mind and
ears won't be spinning when the featured act does start.  For those who want to
dance, that is what the disco is for.  But those clubs apparently feel they 
have to provide constant gratification by sensory stimulation.

The sound was a disaster too.  The sound people mixed it as if was a rock
group, that is, turning up the bass as high as you can, and the bass drum.
Never mind that the bass and bass drum don't function the same way they
do in a rock band.  Even worse was Astrud's sound.  Her voice came
across as extremely nasal, like it was sent through a chorus or
harmonizer.  You never got the clear sound that you get with her
records.  There was a number in which another person sang with her.  His
sound didn't have that problem, so who knows where the problem was.
All of which was too bad, because the group definitely is worth hearing.

I don't know to what extent Astrud is touring, but if you can hear her
in a good place, check her out.  Last year she played at Ravinia, I
didn't make it to that, but I imagine they would have better sound.
I hope she comes back to Chicago soon, but next time in a better place.

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:09:46 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...
              7 Jan 1993 03:41:00 GMT from <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:41:00 GMT Gary Hanley said:
>on me yet. I only indulge in a joint from time to time, and this past
>New Years was one of them times. I've been told that the THC will linger
>in your innards for up to a month, but I've also heard only seven days.
>Personally, I'd guess two hours, but I'd probably be wrong. So I guess
>the question is, how long with it take before it won't show up? And also,
>are there any wifes-tale remedies out there for hiding the evidence that
>are reliable? Any advice would be appreciated.

Go to your local health food store and tell them point blank what you need
there are several products out there to "clean" you up...I beleive one is
called "golden root" you might want to take vitamins when you do this it
sometimes will "drain" you...........L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:51:05 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Crawfish boil band

In reply to L.W.'s request for band ideas:

Roomful of Blues
Roomful of Blues
Roomful of Blues
Roomful of Blues

Heather
[who likes Roomful of Blues]
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:14:14 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Catching Up From the Holidays
              4 Jan 1993 15:25:23 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

Scott Hammer sez:
>1)  While wrapping Christmas gifts, I had on MTV for purposes of mindless
>    companionship, and caught a video by a band called "Jackyl."  I don't
>    remember the name of the song, but it was fairly standard blues-metal
>    kind of stuff, except that it featured the lead singer soloing on
>    chain saw.

i saw that too. i don't remember why i was watching emptv though. it was
not very good as i recall (i turned off the sound halfway through the video).
the song was titled "lumberjack." one helluva a gimmick, eh?

>Snow," so when Saffire sings about men in raunchy, demeaning, sexist terms, I
>wonder why people eat it up.  If I sang about women in the same terms that
>Saffire uses to sing about men, I'd be lynched or castrated.

it's the politically correct thing to do, you know.

there was an article in newsweek recently about riot grrrls, which ties into
this pretty well. anyone see it? i just heard about it. the newsweek subscrip-
tion ran out a half year ago.

woj
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:08:50 MEZ
From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Manassas Lyrics

  I've got a little problem making out one of the lines from the song
_Bound To Fall_ from the first Manassas album. Maybe someone could
help me out? The line in question is the third in the second verse:

2nd verse:

  Just as everything's going fine
  See my life in rhyme
  Tear my hands and from the wall  <--- Is this what they're singing?
  Bound to fall...


Hosko
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Date: 7 Jan 93 18:01:33 GMT
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> Date:          Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:41:00 GMT
> From:          Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
> Subject:       Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

> Here's a question posed to you medical types, or those of you who
> may have an answer or idea. I've had some job interviews this
> week, and some look promising. But now that I've had a moment to
> consider the specter of full time employment again, I'm wondering
> about the dreaded drug-test for the first time ever. Now please, if
> there are any right-wing goody two-shoes out there, don't pass judgement
> on me yet. I only indulge in a joint from time to time, and this past
> New Years was one of them times. I've been told that the THC will linger
> in your innards for up to a month, but I've also heard only seven days.
> Personally, I'd guess two hours, but I'd probably be wrong. So I guess
> the question is, how long with it take before it won't show up? And also,
> are there any wifes-tale remedies out there for hiding the evidence that
> are reliable? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>   -- Gary

    Once I became ordained I took it upon myself to spread the term
minister as loosely as I possibly could...I don't what relavence it
has here but it sounded like a nice intro to answering your question.
THC will stay in your system for thirty days.  It can be found in your
hair for an even longer period of time.  The cells in your hair are
dead and are therefore not flushed out as the others are, or something
like that.
    Personally, I've never beleived any of the folk tales concerning
how to best cleanse your system of THC.
    You're best bet is to just not apply to companies that require
drug testing, or at least plan ahead.  That means postpone any
potential testing until sometime in February.  On another personal
note, I( abhore drug testing and consider it an invasion of privacy.
I refuse to work for any company that would require such an invasion
of my rights.  Unfortunately the federal government does not
currently agree with me.  But then what else is new.


















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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:11:12 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Kind of Blue / 24k Gold CD's

On Gold and Aluminum CDs:

I owned _Dark Side of the Moon_ on Al for awhile, and was quite pleased
with the sound, until I came across the Au version by Mobile Fidelity.

MF uses the original master tape for the mastering of this CD and its
vinyl counterparts.  Regular releases use a second generation tape
for wide distribution purposes.  Now with the advent of DAT and other
digital media storage, it is easier to make direct digital clones of the
master to ship out to CD pressing companies around the world.
Needless to say, the MFCD is less noisy.

Now, when an album is digitally REmastered, it usually means
that a new master is made from the analog master tape.  Sometimes, if
it is possible, the original multitrack tape is remixed
and mastered digitally, to avoid additional tape hiss
(The Beatles' _Rubber Soul_ is done this way); the CD will be sure to
announce such an eventuality on its cover, if it happens.

Now about the 20-bit Sony mastering thingymabob, I really don't know if
that will make so much of a difference in the sound; the resolution
will definitely be better than conventional 16-bit @ 44.1KHz, but
I don't have 30 bucks to blow on an album I just bought on Al.
Plus, the box is too big to fit on my shelf--I hate when they make
weird sized boxes.

On Au vs Al, I think Au is a better medium for digital.  It lasts
longer, is more malleable/ductile, and is resistant to oxidation.
Plus, when you put your albums in your will, Au CDs look more impressive.  :)
If only there were more Au around to make it cheaper than Al,
we would probably be using Au foil for cooking instead of Al.
Can you imagine drinking soda from 24k gold cans?  Pretty weird.
But I digress...

 3
M

(I'm back!  How was everyone's New Year Day?  I got snowed in at a cabin in
Tahoe--boy what a lousy way to spend a vacation--cooped up in a cabin with
no phone and only a SEGA system to pass the time.  I'm glad I brought
some CDs to keep me sane.  My car was buried under 7 feet of snow.  blah.)
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:10:55 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Weird Instruments
              93 09:29:15 am

> what instrument is the STRANGEST instrument you have ever heard
> in a song, and which song was it featured in?
>
> what is the most bizarre instrument you have ever heard play music?
> (the one that make you say, "what the hell is that contraption?")
> Please describe the instrument in detail, if you can.  I may plan to
> build one.  ;)

Jon Fishman, of Phish is known for his exquisite Electrolux solos. I've
never had a chance to see him do it in person, but I believe he takes
one of those canister vacs and puts the wand in his mouth while it's on.
Check out the track "Sanity" on _Junta_ for mind-blowing experience. It really
sucks. 8)

I'm finally going to get a chance to catch them live. Their spring tour seems
to be following me on my trek to the southlands. 8) 8) 8)

My neighbours are going to have a peaceful weekend. I just packed up my
various guitars, amps and other assorted instruments of destruction for
the move. One thing I'm not looking forward to is putting them and my CD
collection in storage down there while I stay in my friend's apartment. I
hope I can get an apartment of my own before I croak from withdrawal. 8(

As you can tell, I'm waiting until the last minute before I pack up the
computer. I don't want to miss anything good.

-Adam
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:14:39 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Kind of Blue / 24k Gold CD's

Paul -

>BTW, Marsha, didja get your CD player??? You owe us a review of KoB if so! :-)
>
Yes, I did - but I haven't heard KoB yet - I had to UPS the player to
Chicago, and never even opened it - just unwrapped it and thanked Daddy. It
should arrive tommorrow, so I'm going to listen really carefully and give a
full review. I also have to review Bob Tee's tapes - and I'll do that
today, maybe tommorrow.....Soon - I promise!!!!

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:22:10 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What did ya listen to

Leonard Watkins sez:
>I'm curious to what the last album/cd..etc everyone listened to, we know

lessee, last night before collapsing, i listened to primus' _suck on this_,
moev's _yeah whatever_ and a demo tape by a band called the difference
engine: sparkling, dreamy, loud guitars guitars guitars. they played
last night at maxwell's in hoboken. i had heard their single before and
liked it, but their live show is stunning compared to what little they
have released. if you like my bloody valentine or early ride, you will
probably dig this band.

woj
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