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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: Hellraiser Info
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:30:42 GMT

>with Pinhead.  In an earlier posting someone mentioned another Barker
>film "Angel Dust".  I had never heard of it before, and I seem to be
>having trouble finding it on video.  I was wondering if he actually
>directed or produced it or was it just taken from one of his stories?

It was I who mentioned 'Angel Dust', it's based on a Barker story
called 'Underworld' (or was it vice versa ?). I haven't seen this
story published or mentioned anywhere else but in the film's credits.
I also think that this was a non-american movie, made when he still
lived in UK.

Remember : it was _based_ on Barker's story, and it wasn't really
           a masterpiece. (compared to Hellraiser)

If you're _really_ dying to see this piece I may be able to help
you out, just email me ...

*JORN* email : jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: HellRaiser
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:26:53 GMT

>BTW, Motorhead & Anthrax helped contribute to Hellraiser 3...! <Guitar
>ftpm Aug 92>

As if _that_ mean anything !

It's too bad if they've dropped Christopher Young's brilliant
hellish music in favor of heavy metal tunes. I don't mean to
offend any Anthrax/Motorhead fans but I can't imagine seeing
Hellraiser/Hellbound with some fast paced heavy drumming along.

Much of the atmosphere in Hellraise/Hellbound was in the music,
but then again - Hellraiser 3 is probably a different movie
altogether :(

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP WITH RESEARCH
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:02:28 GMT

In <BuBvsu.9uC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli) writes:


>I'm a grad student at the University of Buffalo doing research in gothick
>fiction.  I am espescially interested in popular fiction writing  at the
>end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century and with how they 
>were critically and (more importantly) politically recieved in the journals
>and periodicals of pre-victorian and early victorian England.  I need to find 
>names of journals that contained the contemporary literary and political 
>criticisms.  I've had limitted success at the libraries (I have found one
>called the "European").  I'd also like to find the specific names of some
>of the serial publications called "penny dreadfuls", where they are located
>and how to go about getting access to them.

>Thanks for reading.

Martin Spinelli

Great topic!  I have done a fair bit of research in the early
Victorian period in then Great Britain and British North America but
in terms of popular imperialism so my help is likely limited.

A few days ago I posted citations for _The_Mad_Woman_in_the_Attic_ and
_THe_Female_Gothic_.  Did you get those?  I can email them if you
didn't.  I would think that you might want to look at these works if
you haven't already and raid their bibliographies.  I understand that
it is primary sources that is the problem.

You might also want to just go through the columns and editorials in
papers of the period.  They are all on microfilm and your institution
should have them.  If not they should still be obtainable through
interlibrary loan.  If not let me know.  Likewise with the journals of
the intelligentsia of the period.  Almost all of the well circulated
ones (and therefore most likely to be representative) should be on
microfiche or microfilm.

If it is actual primary sources you are looking for I would start with
raiding bibliographies of secondary sources.  When starting with a
blank slate I usually begin with searches through MLA and Sociofile
etc.  If your institution does not have these on CD-Rom, again let me
know.  I have a small amount of spare time for quick searches.  In
particular you might want to search under "Amateur Press Associations"
which were very important in the circulation of what would later be
called pulp fiction.

I just realized I forgot to upload the file but I have a couple of
other secondary sources which may be of use to you so I will put them
on a separate posting.

Ian
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: Clive Barker Question
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:45:58 GMT
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Date Entered: 09-13-92 03:39
H > From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)

H > Hi, all! Just wondering if anyone had heard when Barker is coming 
out
H > with something new? If so, do you know the working title, or what the
H > subject is?
H > Thanks!

I work in a library, and one of our fall catalogues has a new novel 
coming out c. Nov.  I've forgotten the title, but I'm going in to work 
tonight, and I'll check it again.  He's also working on a couple more 
films, but I haven't heard any release dates yet.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada
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From: harsh@owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani)
Subject: Re: Boy's Life: Rob McCammon
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:39:00 GMT

In article <92258.092721EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>, Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>    I just got done reading Boy's Life, (I know, I know...a little bit late, eh?
|> ...) and I wondered what other's thought of this novel by Rob. It seems no book
|>  will ever put bad reviews on it's cover, so I can't tell by those reviews how
|> well the public received this book. So please drop me a line lettign me know
|> what you thought of it.
|>    I personally thought it was great. Truly "magical", to say the least.
|> 
|>                                      -Ed
|> 
|>    ====================================================================
|>                Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
|>               Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
|>        "You're just a petty bureaucrat with a gun." -- Indiana Jones
|>    ====================================================================

I truly believe that it is the best novel that McCammon has written.  It has the
feel of a Bradbury novel, but is more brutal in several ways.  This is the way
childhood should have been, and maybe in a small way is.

One of my favorite scenes is with the kid with the incredible throwing arm
moving.


-- 
Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
	but we don't pay God taxes.

					The King of Fools
From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:04:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

There are numerous Necronomicons floating around, all are fakes (H.R.
Geiger's book doesn't claim to BE the Necronomicon, so it can't be called
a fake).  I know of at least 3 different fakes that exist.  One is a
paperback (of which I own a copy -- really hokey stuff :-), one is a
leather-bound hard-back (it originally sold in the late 70's for $50 US,
too much for any book), and an incredible fake-aged reproduction of what
the Necronomicon might be, if it existed (I saw a copy once -- beautiful
work -- could've fooled me had I not known that it was a fake).        

Lovecraft derived the name of the Necronomicon from a poem that was a
favorite of his (I can't remember the name or the author at present).

Also, in the 30's (and possibly during the 50's & 60's) a number of hoaxes
managed to add to the myth that the book existed (some people put listings
in book-dealer selling lists, some put fake card catalogue entries in a number
of libraries, etc.).

Andy
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From: leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y)
Subject: Re: Music For HR3
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:52:31 GMT

In article <Bu7xCv.KKz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, drm26912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nyarlathotep) writes:
 > >motorhead and anthax may have contributed but i went to see pantera and
 > >skid row in concert and skid row claimed that psycho love was the main
 > >theme for it...seriously..i wish i was lying to you..i really do
 > 
 > Ozzy Osbourne and Lemmy Kilmister (Motorhead) collaborated on a song
 > entitled Hellraiser.  I thought this was the theme for the movie, but I
 > could be wrong.  Both bands released versions of this song, but Motorhead
 > already has a video for it
 > -Dan.

A while back on Norwegian radio, I heard a song called 'Hellbound' by SNUFF.
This was an instrumental except for a short speech toward the end, as well as
some lines and sounds directly from the movie (Hellbound:  Hellraiser II).
I rather liked the song--quite a bit of a 'desperate' sound to it....

By the way, does anyone know when H3 is going to hit us?  

Leif the .sigless
From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:34:59 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>The problem with Prince is that it was hard to understand.  When I watched it
>a second time (trying to figure out why everyone enjoyed it so) I liked it a
>little more.  Maybe if I watch it again it will get better.  There were to 
>many unanswered questions in it (The Dream Sequence, The liquid, etc.).  It
>was hard for me to get tense, when I couldn't figure out what was going on in
>the first place.  

  But that is what makes the movie great, having to think what the hell is going
  on.  I also had to watch it a second time, just to double up what I was 
  thinking.  I really enjoy those kind of movies that make you think how the
  plot is going, and what might happen, and then find out you are wrong at the
  end.

  Excellent movie.

-- 
 = U   U     IIIII =================Les Claypool- I will rape your personality==
 = U   U       I    John Meseke              Pummel you with my own philosophy==
 = U   U  of   I                              Strip you of your self-integrity==
 = UUUUU     IIIII  jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu===To make you all a bit like me.==
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tillis@icpsr.umich.edu (Eddie Tillis)
Subject: Re: Back from HR3
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:06:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.223319.21472@ultb.isc.rit.edu> tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>over all, I agree with you.
>I enjoyed the movie a lot, but I do have some complaints,
>  1,  The actress who played (whatever her name was) the main character
>      I felt was a little weak.
>  2,  The new Centobites were too silly.  Not thier appearance, that was great
>      but they acted a little too "human".  They weren't as powerful as the
>      other Centobites.
>Still, it's a great movie.  Go see it.
>                                              ->Spice


I enjoyed it while the movie was going on, but afterwards, I felt like 
something was missing.  I still reccommended it to friends who just
wanted to see a horror movie.

POSSIBLE SPOILER AHEAD, BUT NOT REALLY   ;)
One thing that disturbed me was the fact that in the previous HR flicks,
the Cenobites' existence was confined to the minds of those involved with
The Box (tm).  In HR3 though, others (no spoilers, I hope) are aware of them.
It felt too much like "An America Werewolf in London" or "Night of the 
Living Dead."

Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: The Reflecting Skin - A Vampire tale???
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:41:36 GMT

virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:

>A friend of mine said there was a movie(shot and released to video)called
>"The Reflecting Skin", and he said it involves a female vampire. I have 
>heard of no such release,though I find it as a video listing(just not the
>video). Does anyone have any comments on this??? Seen the film??? What's
>it about??? E-mail will be most appreciated.

    It definitely exists, since Cinemax is showing it tonight at 10:30 CST.
:-)  Haven't seen it and didn't set my VCR to tape it, so I can't help you.
They were advertising it as an import though, I believe, so you may have
some trouble finding it on tape.  Check out a Blockbuster Video if you have
one in your area, they seem to have pretty decent import sections.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: MetaHorror
Summary: know thyself
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:41:53 GMT

In a recent alt.horror article, dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird) wrote:

>I just finished this book containing 21 short stories and was utterly disgusted
>by spending six-odd dollars on perpetual boring pieces of work.
>
>I'm amazed that this was classified as horror.  IMHO- This *Barely* reached the
>point of being classified as horror only in that it described the human
>condition....Paranoia, fear, hatred, impovished.  To me, that only remotely
>qualifies.
>
>This was a recommendation from a fellow netter.  I'm sorry to say, it's
>definately not to my liking.  MetaHorror- Beyond boring (not horror).

Forgive me if I am now mistaken, but aren't you the fellow who didn't
like the Year's Best Fantasy and Horror, either? It seems to me that when
pushed, you said you liked Lovecraftian horror. If one can say anything at
all about Lovecraft's style of horror, it's that the horror is external.

The book jacket for Metahorror *says* that the stories are pushing the
envelope of what horror means. It seems to me that if you know you like
externally located horror, just reading the blurb on the back of this
book would have told you that the stories in it wouldn't appeal to you.

There's a strong movement these days of people who are writing horror with
a strong emphasis on internally located horror. A person such as yourself,
who prefers the other sort of horror (and who knows he doesn't like the
sort of thing you describe above) would be well advised to stay away from
books which describe themselves in words like these:

   Metahorror is a gathering of dark visions that explore the metaphysical,
   the aberrant, the landscape of our previously unseen interior.

This is a book about the horrors which lurk inside human beings, in other
words about the bleakness of the human condition. Also from the back of
the book:

   This spectacular collection....transcends the usual boudaries of genre
   to herald a daring, starkly unique literature of the imagination for the
   1990s.

Again, this is not the sort of book I would buy (based on the cover blurb
and on the actual comments made in this newsgroup) if I liked Lovecraftian
horror grounded in the terrors of the unknown outside.

My opinion? Knowing what you like can be a good guide to choosing books to
read, but only if you let it be. (I admit sometimes the blurb bears little
resemblence to the interior of a book, but I would not buy a book which
loudly proclaimed how it was all about what I know I don't like.)

Summing up, all I can say is that from your earlier postings, I would have
expected you not to like this book. I'm surprised someone thought you would.

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
From: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Quick review/Hellraiser III
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:15:21 GMT
Reply-To: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

I saw "Hellraiser III" last night.  No spoilers...

Story: excellent.  This film answered some of the questions that were
       not talked about in the other two, and explained the ending of 
       part II.  The only problem with this is that the story overpowered
       the "horror" of the film.
Acting: inconsistent.  Pinhead was good, but the woman who was the main
        character should have been better.  She just wasn't believable.
        The owner of the club and his (ex)girlfriend were pretty good.  But
        there was one awful actress who played the "one night stand" woman.
        Luckily that scene didn't last long.
Thrill: not bad.  This film had some excellent scenes and special FX.  The
        thing I didn't like personally was that the new Centobites (sp?)
        came accross as too silly; very Freddyish.  They looked very 
        menacing but they just didn't act the part.  (slight spoiler->) They
        had too much personality.  Pinhead served hell "for decades with no
        memory of [his] former life".  So why did these centobites remember
        who they were?

Compliments:  Special Effects- not a lot, but what was there was good.
              Story- possibly the most complete story of the 3.
Complaints: Centobites' personalities.
            Ending- a little too easy, but the set up for part 4 creates
                    some interesting possibilities.
Overall, I liked it a lot, but it didn't match the first two.  I personally
think it was worth paying for.  See it, but don't expect it to rival the 
first two.

Ok, so this wasn't as "quick" as I thought it was going to be.  Sorry.

                                                    ->Spice
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: rbhardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Ron Harding)
Subject: Re: H.R. Giger's Alien
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:07:23 GMT

In article <BuFLuw.18J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool) writes:
>I was going to buy a book called "H.R. Giger's Alien" from the local comic
>book shop, but it's 40 smackers and I'm cheap.  Can anyone give me a short
>review of what's in it et cetera?  I'd just look but they sealed it up so
>you'd have to buy it to read it.
>	--MLM
>

The book includes many of Giger's design sketches and paintings, colour
photos of sets under construction, and scenes from the movie, and entries
from HRG's journal.  The journal entries are interesting.  They show how
frustrated he was at the time by budget limitations and the realities of
movie making.

You can learn some interesting things that you may have missed in the movie.
For example, when I saw the movie I didn't notice that the dead alien pilot
of the crashed ship had an exploded chest.  Things that make you go hmmm...

It's organised in sections describing the alien derelict, the alien pilot,
the egg silo, the eggs, the face-hugger, the chest-burster, and the big
alien.

Overall, I recommend it if you're a fan of the movie.  If you're a fan of
Giger more than the movie, then you should go for one of the more expensive
but more interesting books like Biomechanics or Necronomicon.  There's also
a relatively inexpensive paper-back book called "HR Giger ARh+" which is a
broad overview of his work with lots of autobiographical material.

=============================================================================
 And the Germans killed the Jews          | Ron Harding
 And the Jews killed the Arabs            | rbharding@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
 And the Arabs killed the hostages        +--------------------------------- 
 And that is the news
 And is it any wonder that the monkey's confused?
          Roger Waters, _Amused_to_Death_
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:27:21 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Boy's Life: Rob McCammon

   I just got done reading Boy's Life, (I know, I know...a little bit late, eh?
...) and I wondered what other's thought of this novel by Rob. It seems no book
 will ever put bad reviews on it's cover, so I can't tell by those reviews how
well the public received this book. So please drop me a line lettign me know
what you thought of it.
   I personally thought it was great. Truly "magical", to say the least.

                                     -Ed

   ====================================================================
               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
       "You're just a petty bureaucrat with a gun." -- Indiana Jones
   ====================================================================
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 10:52:28 -0400 
From: Todd Keenan Bowman <tb0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: MetaHorror

I also just recently finished METAHORROR (I am normally a fan of
"psychological horror") and would have pretty hard time recommending it
to anybody. Few, if any of the stories stood out. Most of the them seemed
just plain pointless (maybe that is the key to psychological horror).
Many of the stories started out promising and then just kind of faded out
into various uninspired conclusions.

Stand-outs include:
Richard Christian Matheson (read "scars" instead)
David Morrell

(hmmm, thats all I can think of)

Did anybody read this and like it? I'd be curious to hear your impressions?

t
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Jacobs Ladder
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:29:31 GMT

Why was Jacob's Ladder in the horror section at the video store? To me
it seemed like a non-musical The Wall, Pink and Jacob both go nuts,
and such.....

I saw the trailer for Hellraiser III, Im looking forward to that!

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:07:18 GMT


>Why was Jacob's Ladder in the horror section at the video store? To me
>it seemed like a non-musical The Wall, Pink and Jacob both go nuts,
>and such.....
I agree, but what would you put it under? Thriller? Naaah. It's
closest to horror... it's the only film to really get to me in about
8 years. The only one that really had me scared... it really got
into my head. I just LOVED it.

>I saw the trailer for Hellraiser III, Im looking forward to that!
I saw a trailer for it too... it could be fun, but I don't like the
sound of it. Esp. this change in music... I love metal, but it's not
the Hellraiser style. If the entire film has change in that kind of
way, getting the Freddy-and-Jason syndrome, will it be worth it? It
would have lost all its originality. Well, we can always prey.

MNSio