From: mbarry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,co.general
Subject: Re: What's the Difference?
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:37:45 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: IBECC - A Non-Profit Educational/Scientific Corporation

In article <1992Jul20.233430.20474@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mrogers@nyx.cs.du.edu (mark rogers) writes:
>
>I've seen the names "ONE" and "IBECC" in the newsgroups around here and
>I am wondering just what the relationship between them is.
	
	Absolutely, nONE (grin).
 
> .... He told me that IBECC is a non-profit
>organization, run by volunteers, and that they are also the ones who publish
>the denver area bbs list newspaper.
	
	True.
	Actually, IBECC is also the one you see at most of the "computer"
	events around town.  IBECC was at the KCNC Education Expo, 
	InfoCom, Diskovery Computer Fairs, and at most of the last
	few MICRO meetings.  It also runs an "answer line" (for rumors,
	modem help, BBS info, etc.) from about 9AM to 7PM (and sometimes
	much later) most days of the week.  (303) 426-1847.
	
	IBECC is also the one which is working (albeit with little cooperation)
	with the animal shelters to put together a network to help re-unite
	pets with their owners - yes, if you watched the story on KCNC, that
	was us.
 
 
>So I asked him the question about the modem, and he answered it without telling
>me I had to spend money on their conference.
 
	I would hope so!
	It would be nice if you wanted to show up, but people can't wait
	for a month (or more) to get information.  What would be the point?
 
>digest I asked him about their conference, too. He told me that they had been 
>the people who ran last year's Fidocon, and that they were running the IBECC
>conference in much the same way - informally and for the users as well as the
>sysops.
	
	GRIN: Also true.  Though there have been "rumors" that other people
	have claimed to have been the "founders" or "owners" or even the folks
	who actually ran last year's "IBECC/FidoCon", these rumors have no
	basis in fact.
 
>Anyway, I told him that "ONE" said that "IBECC" was the same thing, and he did
>get a little flustered, well, a lot flustered. He said that the only 
>relationship between "IBECC" and "ONE" is that the owners of "ONE" were 
>vendors at last yearsFidocon and that they had decided to run their 
>conference on the same dates as what "IBECC" announced last year. He offered
>to mail me som information to prove it, so I asked him to do it
	
	If you don't get that info right quick, let ME know!
	
	There seems to be a LOT of confusion caused by having TWO conferences
	on the same dates.  IBECC/FidoCon announced the 13-16 August dates
	in July of 1991; "ONE" announced their dates as "tentatively" being
	August 13-16... In early September (i.e. 2 months later) 1991.
	
	It took them until late October (or so) of 1991 to find a hotel which
	would let them have those same dates... 
	
	In the meantime, well... I won't bother with garbage like that, but
	let us just say it's been a case of deliberate confusion.
	
	To MAKE it CLEAR: IBECC and ONE have NOTHING in Common, except part
	of their audience.  NO money is exchanged between the organizations,
	and anyone who says anything to the contrary is, simply, lying.
 
>Does anyone who isn't involved in this group (or is it really two groups?)
>know anything at all about this? I want to go to something next month, but
>if I have to spend that kind of money, I want to know who is taking me
>for a ride. I don't need to know how to set up and run TBBS for a profit,
>but I sure would like to know how to use it as a user.
 
	Sorry, I *AM* associated with IBECC - I am the Secretary/Treasurer
	of the group.  If you have any questions, please feel free to call
	us at (303) 426-1847 and someone here will be happy to attempt
	to answer them.
 
>I'll post any information I get, if anyone is interested. 
	
	Please do.  It is about time the air gets cleared.
 
>Oh yes, Terry told me that IBECC is still running a two-fer (his word) for
>people interested in attending their conference... he said it's $90 for one
>person and $99.69 for two ($9.69 more? funny number, but he explained it
>as being the node number of one of their Fidonet nodes).
	
	Chortle: Yep.  Sure is.  104/969 is one of our FidoNet Nodes.
 
>"IBECC" is running Thursday evening, Friday, Saturday and Sunday (ending late
>afternoon), has a vendors room (which is open on Friday, Saturday and Sunday)
>and has three or four tracks (depending on how you look at it) of programming.
>They are also doing live radio from their conference on Saturday and Sunday.
>(What they are charging, I've already said). I don't know what they will be
>charging after August 1 (their ad said $225 as well, but they seem to be
>discounting their rates).
	
	Heck.  Our purpose in life isn't to gouge people for money.
	But, alas, the hotel is expensive, flying guests in (and paying their
	room & board) is expensive, and just our telephone bill has been
	astronomical.  But, I'll make a committment right here and now that
	we'll hold that "two-fer" rate as long as memberships are available,
	and, if I find a way to cut the rate (and still have money to run
	on for the next year - this *IS* our "fund-raising event) then I'll
	do that, too!
 
>"ONE" boasts John (sound-effects) Dvorak as their keynote speaker. "IBECC"
>boasts Dr. Jerry (sci-fi, and Byte) Pournelle as their keynote speaker.
>Both of them claim David (NAPLPS) Hughes.
	
	Funny, but true.  IBECC also has Thom Foulks (of "Computing 
	Success" - the 1991 Computer Show of the Year) not only speaking,
	but doing both of his shows (Sat morning and Sun afternoon) live.
	
>You figure it out. When you do let me know.
	
	If you can figure out the whole thing, you're doing better'n
	we can (smile)... 

>By the way - three cheers for Nyx!
	
	Hear! Hear!
 
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