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From: evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt)
Subject: Re: MSG
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:15:27 GMT


billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt) writes:
>: >
>: That's not the only problem with it. MSG can contain gluten; for people with
>: celiac disease (like my wife) it is literally poison.
>
>Someone correct me, if I am wrong. But, these are two completely unrelated
>proteins with similar names. MSG is based on glutamic acid, not gluten.

Yes, notice I said it *may* contain gluten. I don't know why this is, but
it is listed in the celiac diet as sometimes containing gluten. As far as I
know, there's no simple way to determine whether the MSG in a specific product
contains gluten or not.

>: Sounds good to me. I see no reason why it should be banned. But it should
>: DEFINITELY be labelled correctly. Label reading for a celiac is complicated
>: enough already; hearing that MSG may be lurking in unsuspected places is
>: really rotten news.
>
>But it is. It appears in most foods you eat. I think you are worrying
>unnecessarily.

If your wife caused damage to her intestine and was sick for days just from
eating the wrong thing, you'd worry too! Celiac disease requires fanatical
attention to what you eat. Yes, it is a royal pain. Yes, it is worth it.

I wasn't aware that MSG occured naturally in foods until reading this thread;
I assume its natural occurance is probably not a problem, but since I don't
know exactly why it's prohibited, I couldn't say. Perhaps the foods in which
it naturally occurs are also prohibited. For example, white pepper is a no no,
and I have no idea why.

-- 
"Seen in this light, leaving the shoe behind her is obviously an act of
 rebellion against the dictatorial regimentation of the domineering fairy
 godmother." - Alma Bond, PhD, in "Oral Sadism and the Vegetarian Personality"
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Subject: Re: Supplemental Health Insurance??? Does it exist???
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:12:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.132910.6069@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes:
>chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski) writes:
>
>>I don't quite understand the logic of having insurance pay for predictable,
>>probability-one expenses. 
>
>>That is, I mostly need insurance to pay for low-probability, high-cost
>>losses: catastrophic medical care, for example, or the loss of my home.
>
>>The saying that comes to mind is, "nobody will insure a burning building".
>>If Bonnie has, say, $1500. in predictable, uncovered expenses next year
>>it would be surprising if anyone would contract to pay these expenses 
>>(supplemental insurance) for any less than $1500.  Would you?

The problem is not just the "nobody will cover a burning building" scenario.  Imagine if your homeowner's
insurer said "Your house burned down in November, and your policy expires in December.  We will
pay for temporary living, loss of contents, and construction costs incurred before the end
of your policy period, but not after December.  Any costs incurred after that will not be covered
as we will not renew your policy, and claims are processed on a "cost incurred" rather than 
"damage incurred" basis.  [ sort of like paying for someone's cancer treatment for the duration
of individually purchased health insurance; pricing them out of a renewal; then leaving them
virtually uninsurable.  One thing we need is the ability to purchase a "insurance of insurability"
rider on health insurance which would gurantee the ability to purchase insurance at the same
rate class (except for age which is predictable) as you were in when initially subscribing ].

Rob Boudrie
rboudrie@chpc.org
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Misprinted Ad with great prices
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:20:47 GMT

ylee@oracle.uucp (Yichin Lee) writes:
>A local golf equipment shop, the Nevada Bob's in Belmont, California, put out 
>an ad in a direct mail package that reached me yesterday. In the ad they 
>advertised golf gloves for 4.99, golf balls for 13.99 etc., and also, let
>me quote: " ANY SHOE IN STOCK $5.00,  Limit 1, must present coupon,

So, how much was the *other* shoe ... it might not me a misprint at
all...
			reb
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Growing your own basil
Keywords: basil
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:30:27 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <brp6lg.egz@wang.com> anon@no.where (Anonymous) writes:
>Does anyone have experiences growing their own basil plants?
>The store-bought leaves are soft and dark green. My home
>grown plants have leaves that are not as soft and not as dark and not as
>fragrant as the store-bought (even though they were soft and fragrant
>when I bought them from a nursery).  They are planted in a planter
>outside, in a sunny area, and I water them regurlarly.

>What am I doing wrong?

    Hard to say....could be the specific fertilizer, soil, watering,
    etc.

    You may want to try pinching the growing tips of the plants,
    then as new branches become an inch or more long, pull the older
    leaves off (discard if not fragrant enough).  Usually the second
    (or even third) set of leaves if you keep this up will become
    stronger and more fragrant.  

    It seems to work with just about every bushy style fragrant
    plant I've tried....

    You also may want to try using considerably less light...put
    them in shade or even move them indoors [makes a great natural
    deodorizer for bachelor's digs...]
From: laurie@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Laurie Schaaf)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:53:50 GMT
Subject: Fiberglass Fencing Info
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.consumers




         F i b e r g l a s s   F e n c i n g . . . . . . . . . .
         =======================================================

We are using it at our stables and it is great!  Here are the details:


(This off of the advertising brochure)
*******************************************************************************

Talk about the perfect fence.  This is it.  Fiberglass Fencing.
You won't believe it until you see it.  But when you do you'll
know.  It's the fence of the future.

It's the perfect application for anywhere.  It's available in 3,4, or 5
rail and is great for horse and cattle ranches, dairy farms and perimeter
fencing.  Stalls for all types of livestock are no problem.

Fiberglass Fencing is a great way to increase property value as it's
competitively priced with any other type of fencing you might consider.

Fiberglass Fencing can be painted any color you can think of by simply
applying a coat of exterior grade latex paint after installation.

	*  100% Round Fiberglass
	*  No Heat Retention
	*  No Rotting or Rusting
	*  Virtually Maintenance Free
	*  Competitively Priced
	*  3-4-5 Rail Available
	*  Safe with Livestock
	*  Pain With Exterior Grade Latex
	*  Easily Repaired
	*  Corner Post Available in Various Diameters 
	*  Rails Available From Approximately 2 Inches
           in Diameter to 4 Inches in Diameter
	*  Installation Included

*******************************************************************************

We looked at Wood and Steel Fencing and decided to go with Fiberglass for it's
price and ease of installation.  Several mini-farms and acreages are just
finding out about this product and are very interested.  The representative
we are working through is the person who holds the patent.  We are so 
impressed with the product we thought we would share it with you.  If you
are interested in more detailed info let me know and I will send you a 
brochure.

Regards,

	Paul and Laurie Schaaf
	1-303-226-4664 (H)
	1-303-679-3225 (W)
From: emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: ARK correction
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:45:22 GMT
Reply-To: emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <84521@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L.
Crawford) writes:
>Hold everything!  Don't build that ark yet!  I posted incorrect
>dimensions.  
>
>It's actually supposed to be _450_ feet long, not _45_ feet long.
>As someone kindly pointed out to me, a 45-foot-long, 75-foot-wide
>boat would be, as he put it, a bit beamy.  
>
        Don't worry, I have to get up the gumption to blow up
        the old money pit first, to use as wood (why not solve
        all my problems in one blow, so to speak?)!
                The ark will be made out of 2 1/2" cedar.
        Don't know where the heck I can get "gopher wood."

        And what am I to do about the 2 MALE cats?  Well, they
        used to be male...

        Elizabeth
        PS>  Where I live you have to get permits and inspections
                to put up a childrens playhouse/treehouse. I do 
                suppose they'll want to inspect the ark.  What's
                code on a residential ark?????
From: mikeq@seqp4.sequoia.com (Michael Quicquaro)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Nordic Fitness Chair Info
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:19:50 GMT
Reply-To: mikeq@.UUCP (Michael Quicquaro,)
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass

My wife and I are looking to purchase one of the many
in-home exercise/body-toning machines on the market.
We have seen a demo of the Nordic Fitness Chair at a
local mall.  I was wondering if anyone out there had
any experience or strong opinions about the Chair.  It
looked pretty good to me.  I am not really looking for
anything to build muscle, but more of a machine to help
me tone and define.  I have also looked at some BMI and
Weslo equipment and am confused about what would be a good
purchase.  If anyone out there could give me any info on
these machines it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, MikeQ
From: johnme@ecs.comm.mot.com (John Meyer)
Subject: Re: WARNING KODAK batteries leaked!
Organization: pcb_design
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:28:33 GMT

In article <wb9omc.712523592@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>
>With reference to the leaky KODAK batteries, I have to wonder if that
>was an isolated experience.  I have been using KODAK batteries in
>all manner of equipment for quite some time and NEVER, EVER once
>had a leaking battery.  I *do* scrupulously follow manufacturers
>suggestions on these things......
>
>Quite honestly, it has been YEARS since I have seen ANY battery
>leak....
>

a year ago i had eveready alkaline batteries leak, totally demolishing a new flashlight.
(acid corrosion)


john m.
From: katleman@wraith.Central.Sun.COM (David Katleman)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: PPV Olympics: Oh, so now it's free
Date: 30 Jul 1992 19:07:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: wraith.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Jul30.151545.21932@walter.bellcore.com> kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
>|> channel) to show PPV Olympics.  From 6-10pm ET Thursday and Friday, and
>|> 1-4am ET Friday and Saturday, you can tune into CNBC and see all 3 channels.
>|> Obviously not intended for screens 14 inches and under.
>
>And since there is no sound for these split screens, I doubt even more I'll 
>be watching it.  Why bother if you can't hear what's going on (at least the
>info you NEED to hear to follow the events).  Of course there are some 

Not entirely true...  If you have a VCR hooked up to a stereo,
you should be able to listen to the audio from a scrambled channel
(they don't scramble the audio) while watching one of the split screens.

It may not be worth the effort considering what I've read about PPV Olympics.

Dave Katleman
katleman@corp.sun.com
--
---
Dave Katleman		(No opinions but my own need apply)
katleman@corp.sun.com
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: MSG
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:43:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul30.232522.14069@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard) writes:
>
>The fact is that there are some people who imagine this type of thing (I don't
>mean MSG allergies specifically).  Even some people who imagine themselves into
>the hospital.  
>
>It sounds like you believe that MSG causes you to get sick (minor or major).  I
>believe you - my wife has the same type of reaction.  However, the MSG
>possibility has been so widely publicised (whether it's true or not), that many
>people are aware of it.
>
Boy, it would be fun to be married to someone who decided I was just
_imagining_ getting violently ill over MSG.

I sincerely hope I misunderstood your post.


 
-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind.  Or not to have a mind.  How true  
that is." -- J. Danforth Quayle at United Negro College Fund luncheon
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: *was* Re: Middle-class salary range - *really* salary reqd for new house
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:37:12 GMT
	<1992Jul16.155633.9484@tandem.com>
	<1992Jul17.130654.2172@athena.cs.uga.edu>
	<1992Jul17.171531.1284@tandem.com>
	<1992Jul18.210203.2183@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>
	<JDAVIDSO.92Jul20095544@tigger.teknowledge.com>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: jdavidso@teknowledge.com's message of 20 Jul 92 16:55:44 GMT
bcc: carl


>To cover a $250k house, you need income of, say $60k.  People who are just
>starting out usually don't make that much; hence the need for both spouses to
>work.

I've got news for you.  In order to cover a 250k house, even with 20%
down (i.e. 200k mortgage), you're talking (very) roughly 2k/month when
you include principal, interest, and taxes.  That usually can be no
more than 28% of your gross income which works out to about 7k/month
or 84k/year.  The variables here are 1) interest rate 2) property
taxes 3) down payment, however I assumed a fairly large down payment
just to prove my point and it's doubtful that the down pmt would be
larger (or that large really) since we're talking about 1st time
buyers.

-Carl-
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From: rick.sanchez@EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Sanchez)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Middle-class salary range
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:46:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: male.l70r20INNsff
Reply-To: rick.sanchez@EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Sanchez)
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: takeahike.ebay.sun.com

joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap) writes... 
>>...
>>...I think that the
>>poverity level is somewhere around $19,000 for a family of four and that
>>would be classified as upper lower class.
>>I remember back in 1981 when I made $8,500 in a year working full time that
>>that was considered poverity level. Thank God my salary has changed over the
>>years.

 
The average price of house here in the Bay Area is around $250K.
Assuming you qualify with an annual income of $50K and a 20% 
downpayment. After deducting payments for mortgage,property tax,
insurance, utilities and food, your status drops to below
poverty level.
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:14231 misc.taxes:2773
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:57:26 EDT
From: <F0O@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Middle-class salary range

In article <1992Jul20.200753.13240@col.hp.com>, lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
says:

><F0O@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
>>    Yes, but does anyone actually know how one would go about finding out
>> what their status is?  Checking some table, calling someone...
>>
>>                                                                  [Tim]

>What do you mean? Are you thinking that some people are legally
>classified as middle-class? There's no such thing; "middle class" is just a
>term people use.

   Just seems strange to me.  The government has programs for the lower
class/poverty level.  Certainly they must have income limits in which to
base their programs on.  Or the luxary tax which was supposed to be for
certain luxary items, which probably only the upper middle-class/rich
could afford to buy.  One would think there world be salary ranges for
each class, or how does the government distinguish between the groups?

                                                                 [Tim]
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Time-sharing condos - Win a free trip - ??
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:37:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu's message of 25 Jul 92 20:06:47 GMT


>I'll think about it and come back, because _nobody_ comes back.   Most
>of the money you pay goes into commissions, with a small amount going
>to rental or purchace of the units.   It is common to have other "clients"
>come with you for the pitch, or sit near you, and pretend to buy the product,
>in the hopes that, lemminglike, you will buy it too.

Yea, just think about it.  10k (roughly) for a week timeshare x 52 is
520k for that one single unit.  Now, several timeshares around here
have 50-100 units, just think of the $$$ that involves (25-50
MILLION).  I'll tell you one thing, 520k for a stinking (or even a
nice one :^) ) 2 bedroom anything, just about anywhere in the world is
a lot (excepting places like Manhattan).

-Carl-
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Sticky paste in plumbing
Reply-To: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 17:13:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.141414.19582@crd.ge.com> joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph) writes:

>Yesterday when I was walking around in the basement of my house,
>I noticed something which has gotten me worried.  I have copper
>plumbing, and the welding material (lead ?) used to join sections
>of pipe together seem to be melting.  This happens only on
>pipes carrying hot water.  The welding material has turned into
>sort of a sticky paste.

Normally copper pipes are joined with lead/tin solder. This has a
melting point in the range of 700 degrees (the exact point varies
with the percentage of lead). Possibly you are seeing a layer of the
flux used during the soldering process. Clean one of these joints
with alcohol, mineral spirits (paint thinner), or lighter fluid.
Then take a knife, file, or sandpaper and clean the joint a little
to remove oxidation. You *should* see bright copper pieces with a
thin silvery line between them. That's the solder. You will almost
certainly find that everything is OK under some sort of crud.

If, in fact, the jointing material *is* melting, then it's not solder.
In that case, some clown may have put it together with one of the
plastic "lead" compounds. If that's the case, you may have a good
legal case against the builder (if you can find him).

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                    |
George Patterson -  | If you always tell the truth, you never
                    | have to remember what you said.
                    |                        Samuel Clemens
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: The Ark and the EPA
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:38:59 GMT


In article <29JUL199208344256@utkvx2.utk.edu>, drevik@utkvx2.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:

|> In article <1220@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, emolinar@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Elizabeth Molinaro) writes...
|> >In article <84521@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L.
|> >Crawford) writes:
 
	(among other things)

|> 
|> 	I don't know about construction specs, but I'm sure the
|>     use of pitch is going to require a detail environmental impact
|>     statement, and the EPA is likely to shut you down ("You want to
|>     put WHAT in the water?").  Then again, you can probably negotiate
|>     a tiny little fine like Exxon did (interpolating from Exxon's 
|>     multi-million gallon spill to your probably use of pitch to cover
|>     a 450 foot arc in a 3/16" layer, your find would probably amount
|>     to about $70.00!)


You want Funny,  Amongst the things that are considered Hazardous
(along with pitch) is asphalt -- So, it is illegal to
take hot asphalt and dump it on the ground.  It is even worse, clearly,
ti flatten it out and squeeze the stuff into the ground with a steam
roller.  The only worse thing you can do with is leave it out in the rain
and encourage people to drive their heavy cars all over it.

-- 
If God had intended us to vote, He would have given us candidates.

	...Wex
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:14607 misc.consumers.house:9949 misc.rural:1728
From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house,misc.rural
Subject: Re: Weedeater recommendations
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:19:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

> |> I am seeking recommendations for good, reliable *gas-powered* Weedeaters.
> |> A friend of mine suggested Poulan brand. Anybody have any other suggestions?

About two years ago, I was in the market for a string trimmer and
I happened to meet a park superintendent friend that I hadn't
seen for several years.  This fellow is responsible for one huge
municipal park and several other smaller municipal properties.
As you would expect, there is lots of grass and weeds to look
after.  When I asked for his preference on string trimmers, he
answered without hesitation, "We've tried 'em all and Echo is the
one for us."  

Shortly afterwards, I purchased an Echo and I have been very
pleased with it's performance.

As an aside, I would like to comment on something else.  When I
got my Echo out this spring (three months ago), I had trouble
getting the thing to run and I noticed the fuel line looked very
deteriorated.  I returned the unit to the dealer and they
replaced the fuel line (under warranty) and that did solve the
problem.  However, the technician who did the repairs said it
looked to him like the fuel line had had alcohol going thru it
and that is what caused the deterioration.  I assured the guy
that I didn't put any alcohol in the fuel mixture but he remained
firm in his belief that alcohol caused my problem.

In thinking back over where I had likely purchased the gasoline
which I used in my fuel mixture, it occurred to me that a
cut-rate (read "cheap") filling station on my way home was the
place.  So I went there and looked closely at the pumps and guess
what?  Every pump on the property had a small notice that read
"Contains 10% Methanol".  I'm now convinced that this was the
source of my problem.  So for what it's worth, my recommendation
on fuel (gasoline) is to pay a few cents more and buy good
quality, name brand stuff.

-- 
====================================================================
Tom Fisher                    |  "...if by chance we find each
tfisher@ceris.purdue.edu      |  other, it is beautiful. If not,
Phone (317) 494-6616          |  it can't be helped."   -   F. Perls
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house,misc.rural