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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2768

                           Tuesday, July 14, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                          Usenet's proposed soc.cu
                              ADA May Go Global
                                 Re: Poll...
                           Chicago Flood Coverage
                            Bonjour To You Too!!
                          Re: BONJOUR TO YOU TOO!!
                        Re: POLL...MONITORING SYSTEM
                          Re: Msg You May Have Miss
                               Discrimination
                          Poll...Monitoring System


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Subject: Usenet's proposed soc.cu
From: Kimberly.Bobrow@f488.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Kimberly Bobrow)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:141/488 - Alice's Restaurant, Branford CT


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 To: hayes@unicorn.cis.ohio-state.edu

 PH> I'm on the Usenet end of this echo. We receive it in a newsgroup
 PH> called "misc.handicap" which gates most/all of the

 PH> sign-related issues. It was then suggested that the name of the group
 PH> be "soc.culture.deaf". I supported this idea and futher suggested
 PH> that both Silentalk and Bitnet mailing list Deaf-l be gated into
 PH> this newsgroup and that the contents of this "soc.culture.deaf"
 PH> be gated back out to Silentalk and Deaf-l.
 PH>
 PH> So.... I was wondering what opinions y'all have on this idea.
 PH> Good, Bad, Scary?

Good!  I like it!  I'm sure Bill McGarry, who is the one who
(manually!!!) gates stuff to/from SilentTalk to/from Usenet will
have his two cents to add too, but he's so darn flexible and
accomodating, I'd put money on him being for the idea too.

--Kimberly
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Subject: ADA May Go Global
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

There is increasing interest in the ADA internationally.  In Japan,
the law had been translated, and Americans with expertise in the ADA
have been invited abroad to lecture on it.

In Summer 1991, a German independent living group hosted a seminar
on the ADA where participants from Germany and Austria attended.  In
Hungary, at a meeting of the international network of architects,
planners and disability advocates committed to "Building Non-
Handicapping Environments," one workshop explored the ADA and the
possibility of introducing similar legislation in Europe.  In
Britain, the authors of the Labour Party policy document on persons
with disabilities state that the Labour Party has been influenced
by the ADA.

----From SHHH Journal, May/June 1992

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Subject: Re: Poll...
From: Morgan.Lefae@f6.n290.z1.fidonet.org (Morgan Lefae)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:290/6 - Karma *VS* Dogma, Des Moines IA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

>>
can be a little unsettling until you've done it a number of
times.....especially if you're communicating with a guy through the relay and
the operator is female or vice versa! :-)
>>

Especially since the relay operator can't really use the kind of
inflection that might be appropriate...which of course you won't
get from a TTY in the first place but their own interpretation
might be wrong.

Even with a lot of practice (which I don't have) I don't know that
I would ever be _comfortable_ with the relay system.  I know that
it's better than nothing and would accept it with it's inherant
limitations.  But comfort?  Nahhhh...I don't think so.  :)

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Subject: Chicago Flood Coverage
From: Rick.Catania@f22.n230.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Catania)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:230/22 - The Special Needs B, Whiting IN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

                DEAF PROTESTS VARIOUS DISCRIMINATIONS

                            Flood Coverage

     The Association of Late Deafened Adults (ALDA) in Chicago is
asking the deaf population in the Chicago area (working or living
there) to gather signatures as a petition, protesting the lack of ANY
captioning during the crisis of the Chicago flood.
     All of the (Chicago) television channels provided live coverage
of the flood, but not even the disability channel had captioning to
explain to the deaf viewers what was happening. Fortunately, no one
was seriously injured during this emergency.
     You can collect signatures on a petition, protesting the TV media
ignoring the needs of their deaf viewers, and send copies to the
stations (all are in Chicago):

      2  WBBM (CBS)      630 North McClurg Court       60611
      5  WMAQ (NBC)      NBC Towers                    60611
      7  WLS (ABC)       190 North State Street        60601
      9  WGN             2501 West Bradley Place       60618
     11  WTTW (PBS)      5400 North St. Louis Avenue   60625
     32  WFLD (FOX)      205 North Michigan Avenue     60601

 * SLMR 2.1 #T375 * Achooo.... must've caught a virus.....

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Subject: Bonjour To You Too!!
From: Lionel.Trudel@f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Lionel Trudel)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/136 - Ab.'s Place, Montreal PQ


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Bonjour Jeffrey

JH>        Happy to receive your greetings from Canada!

Thanks... and me to correspond with you.

JH>        I just returned from Canada, Toronto.  You were correct.  The LSQ
JH>users are further north and all the deaf ones there were using ASL like I wa
JH>used to.  I was expecting them to use LSQ.  (I learned also from a deaf
JH>person while there it is properly called LSQ not QSL... interesting).

Of course I was correct, LSQ mean exactly " Language Signe Quebec " the
appellation QSL is only a bad traduction in english, also always remind
LSQ is 70 % compatible with ASL.

JH>        Here is an example of ASL grammar word order... can you compare it
JH>with LSQ?  I would be curious to see if it is similar in word order.

JH>        ASL:  "Hamburgers big("cha on mouth") juicy eat eat enjoy whew me!"

This is the traduction in LSQ, but I give it in english to be sure you
understood.

Me enjoy eat big hamburger juicy.

JH>        ASL:  "You go-to there hospital back-surgery when?"

This is the same.

JH>        Thanks... I will explain later in a paper or article the reason
JH>behind the word order in ASL...  OK signing off for now...

And me I will look in my notes course.

Lionel

 * SLMR 2.1a * Ne jamais abandonner une personne sourde-aveugle
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Subject: Re: BONJOUR TO YOU TOO!!
From: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Leti Labell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Jeffrey, I'm interested in the word order in ASL.  When
communicating on a TDD, do you use the same type of sentence
structure?  I've been talking to some people lately via TDD, and I
tend to type exactly as I talk, with full punctuation, etc, but I
notice that the people responding to me use a shorthand.  Can you
shed some light on this?  I don't want to be too wordy if that's
not "proper..."

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Subject: Re: POLL...MONITORING SYSTEM
From: Jen.Cross@f604.n170.z1.fidonet.org (Jen Cross)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:170/604 - BitStream TBBS, Broken Arrow OK


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

>Do you think a Monitoring System should be installed in ANY Relay Service?

No
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Subject: Re: Msg You May Have Miss
From: Lionel.Trudel@f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Lionel Trudel)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/136 - Ab.'s Place, Montreal PQ


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

FO>Bonjour Lionel,

Bonjour Fran,

FO> LT> Fran.. I know you don't ignoring me. I will ask you a question.
FO> LT> What do you think about Huggies campaign against BRS here in
FO> LT> Montreal ?

FO>Good (that you didn't think I was ignoring you)-- I'll answer the
FO>question below....

And I will give you my opinion too...

FO> LT> For me, I think it's a good thing, a telephone call is a private
FO> LT> thing.

FO>Me too (agreeing with you and Hugues that the calls should remain
FO>private) only reason I didn't "vote" was because I wasn't sure if
FO>my opinion would count since I'm not deaf.

Well !!! Me too I'm not deaf, and I use SRB to call Huggies, but the
fact is, when yourself you make a phone call to a non-hearing-impaired
person nobody listen your call, but WHY, here, they want to do it when
is a non-hearing-impaired to hearing impaired or hearing
impaired to non-hearing impaired phone call ?

This is against the PRIVATE LIFE of the concerning persons.

FO>The only 'monitoring'I think they could possibly need is if a relay
FO>operator was complained about by the customers repeatedly...

The " monitoring " is use ONLY to listen what two persons talk each
others...

FO>and if enough complaints came in from different customers then
FO>chances are this relay operator should find a different line of work.

Of course they receive ( SRB ) lot of complaints... but to disconnect
for EVER the monitoring...

FO> LT> I maintain what I wrote is exact at 70 %. And last friday I saw
FO> LT> Huggies and for an oralist he know all the alphabet.

Did you see the Jeffrey's message to me ? He wrote about this too when
he when to Toronto. And like I wrote to him LSQ is ONLY specific to
Quebec province, rest of Canada use ASL...

FO> LT> I figure and think he pratice with your program :->>>

FO>Good to hear.

Maybe he won't tell you, but a guy who miss only three letters like F,
P, and Q... Huggies have to do some practice no ?  :->>>

Amitie,

Lionel

 * SLMR 2.1a * ABS International, un arret sur pour une bonne messagerie
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Subject: Discrimination
From: Scott.Blair@f338.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Blair)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/338 - The Reef, Syracuse NY


I have a question if I may?!  I was "let go" from my job in the optical
field for my Multiple Sclerosis.  I immediately registered with the Dept. of
Human Rights.  My case should be comind up soon.  I live in New York State.
Do you forsee any problems with this case?

                                          Scott Blair
                                          Syracuse, NY

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Subject: Poll...Monitoring System
From: Scott.Blair@f338.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Blair)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/338 - The Reef, Syracuse NY


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

no

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