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From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Nordica Boots (F8)
Keywords: recommendations
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:28:57 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center

X-disclaimer: I said it not my employer.

On behalf of rear-entry boots...

While the industry as a whole is moving back to front-entry boots I still stand
by my RE's.  My feet are hard to fit so I spend a lot of time fitting to begin
with.  I've owned both RE and FE boots.  The adjustments on the RE's allow for
a MUCH better fit.  Boots are strange though.  You gotta try on a bunch to
see what ya really like.  I always try on both types when I go shopping and
recomend it highly.  

Mark E. Porterfield             The East :(n): The place where you can see your
ISA                                      skis as you 'slide' down the hill.
Pgh. Supercomputing Ctr.        The West :(n): The place you have to pay a lot
				         of money to get to if your from the 
					 east.
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Snow in Colorado!
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:59:59 GMT

In article, johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley) writes:
>
>Unlike the August snows, this _might_ be the real thing, with some permanance.
>
>What a beautiful morning!
>
>           John Cooley

While I like to see new snow as much as the next person, I can't
say that I hope it is permenant.  Early snow, that sticks when the
temperature swing between day & night is high, is not good.  It
only sets up for a good avalanche year in the backcountry.

--Chris

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:57:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: mail.Bw6CJu.K30
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

wayne trzyna (trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU) wrote:
: 
: This brings to mind a question.  Now don't get the wrong idea.  Perhaps
: unlike some previous queries, this is a legitimate, non-malicious question.
: 
  Sure.

: Is there an advantage of some sort for dropping into that silly telemark
: position?  I mean, I've tried it because thats the way everybody says
: you're supposed to turn on free heal skis, and I can even sort of turn that
: way.  But, like you, when the going gets tough I revert to paralleling.
: After all, at that point my safety is at sake.  I'm not going to mess
: around trying to look like some kind of yodeling, wool-knicker-wearing,
: volkswagon-driving fool when I'm in the midst of a serious acceleration
: problem.  No sir!  I lay those boards side by side and like Chuck Yeager,
: I pull out of it!  Then after the addrenaline stops, I revert to proper
: imitation of the accepted beautiful-looking style.
: 
: But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an advantage?
: 

In thrilling moments, I think people tend to revert to what they know/do best.
Believe it or not, for some this is telemarking. As far as advantages, the
position offers a lot of fore/aft stability. With a free heel it's harder 
to recover when your center of mass gets far forward or back, and harder (for
me anyway) to keep it from getting there. So for bumps and inconsistent snow,
I find the telemark position keeps my face drier.

My objective here is to rise to the flamebait but not to inhale.

scott
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:20:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Ski Season Tire Info Wanted
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown) writes:

> The M&S rateing gets you trough tthe chain controls but it can be dicy. 

 M+S only gets you through R1 chain control in CA (other states may vary).

 California chain control:

    R1: Chains or approved snow tires required.
        Most common level on I80.

    R2: Chains or 4WD with approved snow tires required.
        Seen a few times each year on I80.

    R3: 4WD with chains required.
        CHP generally closes I80 rather than allow R3. The only time
        I've ever heard of R3 was when they coupled it with the requirement
        that you were a resident who had a demonstrable need to get
        over the pass.


 ..glen
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:07:21 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct7.201645.13724@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.155518.12197@col.hp.com> rstern@col.hp.com
|(Richard Stern) writes:
|>russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
|>>I've never seen a Texas skier. Are there special noteworthy characteristics? 
|>
|>The men wear cowboy hats while skiing.
|
I've seen a few pictures of Billy Kidd wearing a cowboy hat while skiing.  I
don't know if he was from Texas but he was a pretty damn good skier.

>Oh, you have to be careful.  I was in Aspen once with some other Ames people
>and these CA-natives wore cowboy hats at times.  Sorry, but a few escape.
 
I used to ski in a Hawaiian shirt quite a bit.

>Gee, I recall this one woman in Sun Valley once, yuck.  Just stood around
>all day, paid for a lift ticket and everything.  Helped Idaho's economy
>at least.
 
They couldn't have spent *all* their time standing then I guess.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: martun@tan.Princeton.EDU (Mehmet Artun)
Subject: Mail Order Companies..
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: mail,order,ski,equipment
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:40:19 GMT

Hi, I am looking for a mail order company for buying skiing equipment
like skis, boots, bindings etc. I knon there are such companies for
windsurfing equipment etc. but I haven't heard any for skiing. If you know
some could you let me know?

I would prefer e-mail to martun@phoenix.princeton.edu but if you
respond to rec.skiing everybody would get the address.

Thanks.

		--Mehmet Artun (martun@Princeton.EDU)

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder)
Subject: Ski schools (was Re: Skier classification)
Reply-To: broder@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:52:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.142306@is.morgan.com>, sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
> Politically-correct ski schools in US never manage to  properly
> classify students , not to violate egalitarian principles, I guess. 
> ...
> When there is a ski-off (like Killington), it is on such an easy hill
> no reasonable distinction can be made : one is lucky to make it to
> the finish line without  poling.

The two places I experienced, Taos and Squaw Valley, match students
quite well in the ski-off.  I believe one can classify skiers in just
a couple of turns, even in easy terrain. (No polling required in
either place, though ...)  Weight transfer, body position, rythm, etc
are still clearly visible.  The trouble is that in places where there
are few multi-day programs, people who plan to take many lesson in a
row get bored with the daily ski-off routine, and resorts try to
accomodate them.

- Andrei

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sherry@Theory.Stanford.EDU (Sheralyn Listgarten)
Subject: Montana, Switzerland
Originator: sherry@Jove.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:32:10 GMT

Does anyone have information on the skiing at/near Montana, in
Switzerland?  I'll be there for a week in the end of January, and
would like to know if there are any particularly great inbounds or
out-of-bounds places to go.  Thanks.

-- Sherry Listgarten (sherry@cs.stanford.edu)

P.S.  I would appreciate your responding by email, since I rarely read
this bboard.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Open???
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:07:01 GMT

In article <yury.02no@bknightjpr.com>, yury@bknightjpr.com (Yury German) writes:
>Hmmm I just heard a little radio comercial that states that Killington in
>Vermont is open??? Is this true... I know that the weather can not be that
>much different the lowest it has been is 40 here at night in NY so can
>anyone confirm this please???
>
>-- 
>
Killington may look like it's weather should be like yours in New York when
you are looking at a globe maybe, but lemme tell ya they may as well be on 
different planets....(Don't I wish!). I live ten Minutes from Killington, and
even where I live the weather is quite often 10 to 20 degrees warmer at my
house than on the mountian.  It could be 40 in N.Y. and 10 at Killington.


							Todd S.

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:03:16 GMT

trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>The point is to raise one's skill.
>
>Quite.  And this is precisely the benefit of area skiing.  While
>the backcountry skier spends all day slogging to the top of
>a hill, an area skier can get in tens of runs, to perfect his skill.

As one of those people who has been skiing since birth, getting
27,542' of verticle per day has diminishing returns in perfecting
my skill level.  I like to go to the backcountry where you don't
pay $30 for a ticket, you don't spend half the standing in line
and the slopes aren't packed with people (yet).

--Chris
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Re:waxing/tuning
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:46:17 GMT

|> Looking forward to keeping my skis always ready to run this season...

Nothing to look forward to, dear colleague ...

Hard, tedious labor, dust (both plastic and metal), mess, molten
P-tex and wax all over , fumes and grime , cuts and bruises,
costly mistakes : broken tools, convex bases, bad texture (just TRY
to create a good base texture at home) , etc.
The worst part is that the results are meager compared to what
a pro can do : not because pros are better, but because they are armed
with  $50,000 Wintersteigers and Montana Glides, which do
95% of the work. Considering  that season-long tuning deal is about $130
for two pairs of skis these days ...

Sergei

Sergei
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Crosscountry/Backcountry skiing [LONG]
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:06:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Question: Is there really a a consensus that climbing is easier on skis that
have a wax pocket? My experience is just the opposite. It seems to me that
the wax pocket is only there to make the kick wax last longer. It actually
hinders (very slightly) climbing by reducing the normal force on the snow
at the wax pocket location.

How many double-cambered backcountry skis are being manufactured? The only
one I know of is the Europa E99 (oops and one by Karhu). If I was carrying
quite a bit of weight I might want double camber, the objective being to
have a flat ski with pressure distributed beyond the foot region. (I see 
my bias is showing here--by backcountry skis, I'm talking about metal-edged
skis. There are certainly numerous touring skis with wax pockets.)

I think the FAQ is a little unkind to skating. In the right conditions,
skating on backcountry skis is amazingly practical. On one trip, I skated
out 12 miles with a full pack on a flat snowmobile packed road, dropped my
pack and skated back out 4 miles where I met the rest of my nonskating
companions. This was on 3-pin bindings and ordinary touring skis.

Minor quibbles aside, nice FAQ.

scott
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Where to go in France...
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:20:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.081803.3704@rdg.dec.com>, wilcock@bigbos.enet.dec.com (John Wilcock) writes:
|
|> >.... 24th October, les 2 Alpes.  First day of winter skiing in France.
|
|> 
|> Is this just a prediction, or has the resort announced that it will 
|> be opening? 

[I would have emailed this reply but inria doesn't seem to know about DEC,
 maybe they believe the rumour that you're about to be bought by HP?]

Yes the resort will open, the only question is whether they'll be issuing
free tickets and whether they will be able to open runs below the glacier
level.  The Free Ticket rumour is always the big favourite amongst the
Grenobloises but most of things the locals believe are not based on fact.

My information: "NO FREE TICKETS, FRESH SNOW ABOVE 2000m".

I'll 'phone up next Thursday for more accurate information.

David.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,misc.forsale,ny.forsale,nj.forsale
From: liggio@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Vincent J. Liggio)
Subject: Skis and boots for sale
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:32:45 GMT

All prices are flexible, so please make an offer if interested.  Shipping
will be added at what ever rate UPS sees fit.  Please respond to this account.

Nordica N997 Comp Ski Boots
	Mens size 27.5
	Wool lined
	White and black
	Used twice
	        $200

Nordica N998 Ski Boots
	Mens size 27.5
	Wool lined
	Metallic black
	Never used
	        $290

200cm Lacroix carbon fiber skis
	Black
	Razor sharp
	Flexible, all purpose ski (from slalom to moguls)
	Used twice last season :-(
		$190 w/o bindings
		$350 w/Geze G83 bindings
From: un032314@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Two-way radios on the slopes
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:21:37 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1bciqbINN50u@agate.berkeley.edu>, wbb@pajaro.berkeley.edu (Bill Baringer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.041843.9794@panix.com> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:
>>
>>I wonder whether any readers would like to share comments about the use
>>of two-way radios on the ski slopes.  I find them to be very handy.
> 
> I use ham band (2m) radios back-country tele-skiing all the time.  It basically
> let's me go bag peaks alone after leaving the lunch crowd, and I can check
> in to let them know that I'll probably not be back in time for dinner....
> Very appropriate for back-country groups travelling at different rates.
> 
> However, this ought to spark the annual "no-cellular-phones-in-the-back-country
> especially-if-you-hope-to-use-it-for-a-rescue-safety-net" controversy.
> 
> bill

If you're not looking to 'talk on the fly', one option is a hand held CB.
They typically have range of over 3 miles.  The only problem is if two
sets are on different sides of the mountain.  I would suggest one transmitting
from the top of the hill, obviously.  Uniden makes a nice, rather small, hand
held CB, with a Cigarette Lighter adapter (for when you drive your Porsche
over a black diamond)
From: df2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Derek Ting-Kwok Fung)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing areas around Pittsburgh
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:26:07 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi there!  Does any know anything about skiing areas around Pittsburgh? 
Are there any at all?  I would greatly appreciate any information you
might have.
Thanks a lot.

-Derek
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: "Ski Mountaineering" (?) advice wanted.
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:22:46 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <Oct13.194907.68366@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:

|> Ah, ski-mountaineering -- a wonderful sport.  You buy lots of expensive
|> gear, drive for hours, slog for hours carrying said heavy gear to the top
|> of a run, discover conditions are less than ideal (frequently wind crust),
|> then reverse slog your way back down, frequently falling and trying to
|> get back up in deep crusted snow with a heavy pack on.  On the rare occasion
|> that you actually find good powder snow, it is likely to slide and kill you.

 :-)
 
|> Become a doctor instead.  Society will respect you, and you'll live longer.

 Ah yes, but I don't want it's respect and there wouldn't be any point!

	W.

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From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mad River Glen
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:54:28 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <1992Oct16.141115.24932@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|> 	I've lived in Vermont all of my life, and I've skied at several areas,
|> yet one that I've wanted to get to for quite some time is Mad River Glen...
|> I've heard that they have some good expert terrain, and I would like to hear
|> from any expert skiers who have been there... How hard is it? How much
|> terrain do they have? Is it really more challenging than anywhere else in Vt?
|> 
|> 						Todd S.

Todd,

If there is a lot of natural snow, MRG is a joy to ski.  Their trails are
narrow and some are quite steep.  MRG is not a large area and their lift
system is antique.  The thing that makes MRG challenging (Mad River Glenn -
SKi It If You Can) is the fact that they do nearly NO grooming.  The theory 
is, "ski it as mother nature, and the skier before you, left it".  There are
quite a few gladed runs (even "green" ones) and skiing OB is allowed (or at 
least tolerated).  If you like well groomed, smooth, carpet-like runs, you 
will NOT like MRG.  But if like to ski trails with texture, trees, bumps,
and (some) rocks, you will LOVE MRG.  The lift system may be slow (the main
peak is service by one single-chair chairlift - circa 1950something) but you
will never have to wait at the top of trail waiting for people to clear so
you can get a clean line.  MRG is definately a retro-area - skiing the way
it used to (and should) be.

BTW, One trip to MRG should show you the difference between natural snow
and man made snow.  MRG makes snow only on the lower connecting trails, 
the upper half is totaly natural.  Careful though, a couple of good days
at MRG and you might never want to ski Killingtons "man made ice fields"
again.

Just MHO!

Oh Yeah, I think they give Vermont residents a discount (off their already
cheap ticket), its worth a call to check it out.


Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOWBOARD:  HELP ME PICK ONE
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:14:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I think you've got some good ideas there.  If you want to carve and do
pipe, an asym freestyle board is your best bet.  I have a 92 Burton
Asym which is awesome with Flex bindings. I'll get the freestyle
highbacks sometime soon.  

You should seriously look at the Sims AsymAce or whatever they're
calling it this year.  The new Burton Asym has relaxed angles and is
more of a freestyle board than an asym.  stick to soft boots because
unless you are Damian Sanders, you cannot do pipe in plates and
hardboots.  

I was really skeptical of Burton, but I figure they have to have been
testing that new hole pattern for a while now.  They are expensive, but
I think, worth it.  The Sims should be really good too, but I do not
know if they have inserts.  I just started last year and the inserts
were a godsend.  That was a major reason I bought the Burton.  I am a
little pissed that my board cannot sync with any of the 1993 stuff, but
I might sell it and move to the new stuff sometime soon.

any further questions, 
e-mail at gen.kanai@dartmouth.edu

peace
From: f36609t@saha.hut.fi (Marcus Engdahl)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Where To Ski (in France..)
Summary: The Best Skiing Terrain In The World
Keywords: Chamonix, heavily glaciated terrain, avalanches, seracs, 
	  falling rocks, Mont Blanc, Les Drus, Danger le mort, crevasses
	  9000 vertical feet and all that...
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:40:01 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


A rule of thumb:

If you want to ski marked runs, don't go to Chamonix.
If you want off-piste skiing, Chamonix is the place. Simple as that.


The mountaineering legend is still alive....



				ps. Blizzard of Ahh's underestimates Chamonix




				X X X

				Marcus



sads





h''






				
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From: jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim Livesey)
Subject: Best spots to ski in Northeast??
Organization: Loral Space and Range Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:11:42 GMT


  I'm heading to the Northeast this Christmas and was wondering
  where the good spot(s) to ski would be.  I'm a beginner to
  moderate skier and my girlfriend has never skied before.

  Any thoughts would be appreciated.. 
--

         _/  _/  _/         _/   ---  Jim Livesey
        _/  _/  _/_/     _/_/    ---  Loral Space and Range Systems
       _/  _/  _/  _/  _/ _/     ---  1260 Crossman Ave.  MS-S37
 _/   _/  _/  _/   _/_/  _/      ---  Sunnyvale, California  94089
  _/_/   _/  _/    _/   _/       ---  e-mail: jim@scf16.scf.loral.com
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing in Austria?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:23:27 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

I've had the following question from a fellow asking about skiing in
Austria.  I've had a bit of a chat with him, trying to sell him on the
French Alps, because I've never been to Austria for skiing.  Can anyone
here help out with info about Austria?  (He has read-only access to
news.  Preferably answers mailed direct to him as rayj@kodak.com since
he says he's got a flaky news feed.  Seems like a good guy.  Though
I'll try to make sure he sees any answers posted in here.) Cheers...

 My wife and I are planning a trip to the Alps sometime this
 winter for a skiing trip. It is our 20th anniversity and we plan to
 have the honeymoon we couldn't afford back then in college. I have
 asked several people about their ideas on where we should go. We have
 been advised to choose Austria due to costs and the great skiing there.
 We would like to stay in a small hotel, bed and breakfast inn or some
 other accomodations that would provide us the opportunity to be with
 the local people. If I'm going to be with a group of Americans all week
 I could just go to Colorado and save the jet lag. Do you have any
 recommendations on where we should go to ski, where we should stay when
 we are there, and what the names of the resorts are in the area? Any
 information or suggestions you could give me would be appreciated.

 _________________
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