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From: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA (SPOILERS)
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:07:06 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

In article <92321.132202BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu>, BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> To the person who said that Dracula didn't lust after Mina but just used
|> her for revenge:  Personally i think you are very wrong, Dracula loved her
|> very much, she was(or at least looked like) the reincarnation of his wife
|> who was the only person he cared for.  Plus, it was her death that pushed him
|> to become a vampire.  The scene where she drinks his blood proves that.  He
|> tries to stop her once because he loves her too much.  And at the end when he
|> asks her to kill him, he does it out of love, and because he has seen what
|> death is like and wants her to live...

I mentioned this in contexts of the "vampires evil?" thread.
Remember, this is *Coppula's* interpretation, I explicitly
stated *Stoker*.  Yet another case of way too many sources
for way to many vampire myths.

				- Jeff
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:14:34 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu  writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.195144.11845@news.unomaha.edu> werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:
> >cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU  writes:
> >> What was evil again?  Oh yeah,  I guess that, to the majority of people
> >> vampirism would be generally considered evil, not every person mind you.
> >> It does involve a good deal of killing and the like.
> >
> >Oh, you silly, silly people...How many times does it have to be said that
> >the average bloodsucker does NOT need to kill its victim.  Besides, exactly
> >how much blood would a vampire need in a night?
> >
> Out of curiosity, where did you get this information about "the average
> bloodsucker?"
> 
> 				The Fool
> 				    ;-)
From almost everything I have read or seen.  The three vampiresses in "Dracula"
did not kill Harker.  Dracula did not immediately kill Lucy or Mina.  Hence the 
vampire fed, and the victim lived...Also, I remember a "Dragon" magazine had
(a couple of Halloweens ago) a whole slew of new vampires based on myths.
I know of no source that states the victem must be killed with the draining of 
blood.

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: jad44314@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Janet A Dornhoff)
Subject: Re: Vampire Movies-- Fright Night (possible minor spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:59:04 GMT

covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.213704.1383@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> flindholm@mta.ca writes:
>>  I felt that No.1 was actualy more realistic when it comes to a modern
>>vampire trying to maintain a low profile. The vampire was a stay at home
>>that acted like a good neighbor. Everyone (except Charlie) thought he
>>was an O.K. guy. F.N. 2 had the vampire showing herself on national T.V.
>>and living in a penthouse suite which had constant parties.

>"Hide in plain sight"?  This was what she did, and she did it very
>well indeed.  To the point where she could show herself as a vampire,
>even kill in public, and no one would believe or be able to prove that
>it was for real.
>Just a different way of hiding.  Arguably, one highly suited to modern
>society. 

One of my favorite lines from that movie was the casual, "Makeup, man."
Most people would be surprised how realistic theatre makeup can get.
Surely one of the greatest boons to those who travel the night roads,
along with UV-sunglasses and SPF 46+ sunscreen.  ;-) :-)

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be here when the light from that star gets down here to Earth...in
a billion years..."   -Mae, _Near Dark_  
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 01:14:32 EST
From: Matt <IO71245@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: any info. on vamps


I'm looking for information on vampires that
anyone might have around. I need it for short
shories that I write and i'm sick of all the
Rice info. that i have. i'll also take any
ideas that you might have for a new breed.
i'm trying to develop one.
Jamey Stevens
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From: ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool)
Subject: Re: Vampire impotence
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:32:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.011611.8056@usl.edu> cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.215430.20928@muddcs.claremont.edu> ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Fool) writes:
>>This is in response to Glenn's posting in which she abuses Werewolf and then
>>asks whether or not vampires are impotent.
>>
>>I would say that it's going to tend to depend on what you accept as source 
>>material for vampire info. I would be surprised if traditional vampires (the
>>old walking corpse that feeds on blood, was probably a sinner, werewolf, or 
>>really unlucky person in life, etc.) was capable of sexual activity. After all
>>their symbols of death, not life.
>>
>Actually, in some of the gypsy legends of vampires, they are quite capable
>of mating and having offspring (although if memory serves, the myths usually
>make the male the vampire in such a liason).  On the other hand, remember
>Lilith (no, let's not resurrect that thread):  There are (as discussed
>previously) elements of both vampirism and succubism in her makeup.
>
>Cheers,
>	Claude
>
That's rather interesting. I don't suppose you or anyone else out there could
suggest a good book to go to for the traditional Gypsy legends?

				The Fool
				    ;-)
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From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:04:57 GMT

In <1992Nov17.170037.24914@ll.mit.edu> seto@ll.mit.edu (Seton Seto) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.210202.12648@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, flindholm@mta.ca writes:
>|> 
>|>   I'm pretty excited about this film but I just saw the book for the movie.
>|> The begining of the book (all I allowed myself to read) is not Bram Stockers.
>|> In fact the book of the movie is nothing like Stockers at all when it comes
>|> to the style of writing. Stocker wrote Dracula as a series of journels
>|> while this book is a novel in the modern sense of the word. I can understand
>|> the need for adaptation, however and hope the movie will fufill my 
>|> expectations.
>|>                  Cyrus

>I just saw the movie Monday night and it was not as good as it was all hyped-up to be.  It had some good special-effects but the story was so lame.  Save your $7 and wait for the tape.  
>		- Seton


Yes, save your bucks, the movie was not worth the bucks I spent, and I
only spent $4.50.  I was very disappointed with the movie......I am now
eager to read the book, so I know exactly what kind of a hatchet job ffc
did to it.  However, even without reading the book, the movie stunk, it
was slow, no really cool effects, I mean a werewolf doing what he was to
that gal, no a real big special effect......an American Werewolf in
London had much better effects.

Oh, I hate to ask, but what in the bloody heck was Dracula doing turning
into a werewolf?????  I just don't get it.....

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From: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:51:18 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <BxtH6p.2sH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:
|> rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
|> [stuff deleted]
|> >Headlines which was discussing the recent spate of vampire films and books.
|> >Christopher Lee was one of the panel (as well as Nik Fiend :-) and said he
|> >would only be tempted to replay the part of Dracula if it was a very faithful
|> >adaptation. But then he's a bit old now anyway.
|>              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> So is Dracula. :-}

Ahhh, but Christopher Lee *looks* as old as Dracula *is*.

			Rob :-)

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From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: Coppula's DRACULA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:15:57 GMT

rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>Headlines which was discussing the recent spate of vampire films and books.
>Christopher Lee was one of the panel (as well as Nik Fiend :-) and said he
>would only be tempted to replay the part of Dracula if it was a very faithful
>adaptation. But then he's a bit old now anyway.
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So is Dracula. :-}

Tracey

>			Rob.

>-- 
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Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:11:59 -0500 
From: Tariq Andre Mahadeo <tm3j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How to watch FCC's Dracula!

now i have not seen the film yet
(i'll see it next week, when i return to new york)
but
i have read all of your comments
sounds to me like ffc
should have directed a new film version of Phantom of the Opera
or something like that
i mean that story can work as a kind of gothic-tragic-love story
(it worked well as that in the musical version)
dracula just isn't that
i guess i'll have to reread the original book
anyway
what do you think?
tariq
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From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Francis Fjord Coppola's Dracula
Followup-To: alt.vampyres
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:23:58 GMT

Last evening I watched Francis Fnord Coppola's "Dracula."  The film has
certain problems, and the ending was disgusting.  However, the sets, 
costumes, and cinematography were delightful.

I saw the film at the "Los Angeles Theatre."  This is the most impressive
cinema I have ever seen.  It has survived the aesthetic and architectural
dark ages with little damage.  The ceiling was so high and intricately
decorated it attained a sense of religious majesty, boxes quite literally 
fit for a King, gargoyles glowered from high on the walls, dark red velvet 
and gilt were generously (recklessly!) used.  In short, a Film Palace.  
I suggest a visit, if possible.  615 South Broadway, all films are $6.

It was strangely as if the film were made for this cinema.  There was a 
powerful feeling of being involved in the events on screen, due largely
to the lavish, darkly beautiful, and rotting cinema.

I am either elated at having such a thoroughly enjoyable experience or I 
am very sad.

Regards

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Vampires evil?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:13:35 GMT

snx@dcs.ed.ac.uk  writes:
>  The problem with vampires is not what they
>  actaully do, but what they represent; after all, any wolf or bear will hunt
>  and eat a  human for survival under circumstance, yet nobody ever condemnded
>  them as evil, UNLESS they started creating a reign of terror and fear through
>  their actions, which is what the vampires do.
> Cheers, Evie
  
I beg to differ.  I see your point about bears, but wolves have a strong 
connection to evil.  For "The Fool"'s benefit, why else are wolves almost 
completely driven out of thier territory?  Because farmers **THOUGHT** that 
the wolves would eat thier livestock (in [I believe it was in Colorado] one 
case wolves had to be imported back into an old range to help control the mouse
population which had exploded to epidemic proportions, because the wolves had
been eating the mice, and now there were no wolves...).  Funny how something
which is not considered evil is eradicated merely on suspicion and with bountys
and with extreme prejudice...

I believe the source for my next blurb was the Discovery Channel or PBS.
In Scandanavia, there is a problem reintigrating wolves back into the old 
ranges because many of the old herders have a tendancy to see the wolf as
an immediate threat to any livestock the herder might own...old habits die 
hard.

Also, if there is no connection between wolves and evil, why do we have "Peter
and the Wolf" and "Little Red Riding Hood?"  Because the wolves are "good"
creatures...I think not.
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
From: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Re:Vlad?
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:19:33 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

In article <13NOV92.18525426@vax.clarku.edu>, rgoldberg@vax.clarku.edu writes:
|>                                                   .... Dracul meant both 
|> Dragon and Devil at that time.  Dracul was a knight in the Order of the 
|> Dragon, which fought the Turks.  It is not known which definition people were 
|> referring to when they nicknamed him Dracul.  ....

I've heard (heresay evidence) it is almost certain they meant Dragon.
At that time calling someone Devil was way too strong, even for an blood
thirsty ruler like the later Vlad.  His father was not nearly as blood
thirsty.
 

|> For more info, read "The Vampire"  (or is it "Vampires") by Montague Summers 
|> or "In Search of Dracula" by McNally and Florescu.

Sorry, can't remember my own source.  It was something of a biography of Stoker.

					- Jeff
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:23:40 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: raven@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (System Ninja)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Keywords: Dracula Coppola FFC vomit
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:51:12 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

kat@banach.WPI.EDU (Christina Lynne Freeman) writes:

> That book might be something interesting to pick up.  According to one of the
> workers at the bookstores that I was perusing said book at, they re-edited th
> movie after previewing it in LA.  Apparently, the audience laughed through th
> ENTIRE movie.  Since this is supposedly a horror movie, they decided to fix s
> of the humor.  I looked through the book after I saw the movie and saw severa
> shots and scenes that I don't recall happening in the movie.  Personally, I
> wouldn't mind getting a copy of the book just because I thought the costumes 
> the set designs were incredible (even though the movie isn't what I expected.
> 

I heard just the opposite about the preview and re-editing: supposely,
several people *vomited* from the excessive gore, so these scenes
were "trimmed."

-- Raven

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From: flindholm@mta.ca
Subject: Re: A Vampire's teeth
Reply-To: flindholm@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:33:47 GMT

In article <9211172349.AA00247@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Andrew S Boggs <aboggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>A friend and I were wondering what is the nature of a vampire's fangs. Do they 
>work like a snake's fangs, but in reverse(instead of injecting venom, do they 
>withdraw blood), or are the fangs just for puncturing, and the blood is just 
>swallowed like any other liquid? Any suggestions are welcome.
>     Thanks in advance.
>
>------> Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself. <------

   I don't think the snake fang style would be very likely, it would require
a large amount of restructuring of the persons head. One of the more agreed
about points of vampire lore is that they stay pretty much the same as they
were when they were killed. I'd say that either  they have retractable fangs
or that they're nornal canines get sharper and are just used for slashing the
victims viens.

          Cyrus

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From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:43:46 GMT

In <1992Nov18.142619.12383@ll.mit.edu> seto@ll.mit.edu (Seton Seto) writes:

>In article <flar.722056661@vincent2.iastate.edu>, flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
>|> Thanks, I really enjoied your little or big, attack of ffc, Dracula, and
>|> agreed with every word you said!!!  It was one of the worse movies I
>|> have ever seen.........excluding ISHTAR
>			  and excluding HARDWARE.

AGREED!!!!

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From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: Review of FFC'c _Dracula_ (small spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:32:25 GMT

[stuff deleted]

Once again, in the book, Mina is an integral part of the action. In the
beginning, we read Harker's diary and Mina's diary. Mina tells all about Lucy
until Jonathan is found and then Seward's diary takes over. Mina is the one
who records Van Helsing's first visit to her in her journal and that is the
account that we read. We also read letters from Mina to Lucy.  The woman we
rarely hear directly from is Lucy.

After everyone convenes at the asylum, we read Seward's diary and Mina's diary.
She is a main character, more so than Quincey or Godalming. She tells us about
her first encounter with Dracula though she does not realize that is what
happened to her, but we know because we recognize the signs from Lucy's
encounters with Dracula.

I would also like to point out that Mina and Jonathan shared a room in the
asylum that was a GUEST room. It did not have bars or anything like it. Both
were free to come and go as they pleased.

Also, Mina never met Dracula on the street. Jonathan recognized him in London,
but Dracula did not see Jonathan in that encounter. 

In the book, Dracula intended to leave Jonathan Harker to the women in the
castle, but Jonathan managed to escape from the castle before that happened.
Jonathan's first (and I think, only) encounter with those women was cut short
by Dracula's entrance. There was no sex.

Please, please, please, please read the book before you make comparisons like
this. Someone else said that the only thing this book had in common with
Bram Stoker's _Dracula_ is the title. I tend to agree.

Tracey
UIUC
From: covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin)
Subject: Re: A Vampire's teeth
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:24:20 GMT

In article <9211172349.AA00247@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Andrew S Boggs <aboggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:

   [ How do vampires' fangs work? ]

Well, vampire *bats* make a small incision with their teeth, then lap
the blood up with their tongue.  I seem to recall that their saliva
is a mild anasthetic; also, they tend to prey on creatures too stupid
to notice.  (I have read a description of someone's footage of a 
vampire bat following a rooster around, lapping up blood from the cut
in the bird's foot.  The bird appeared not to realize the bat was
there, or at least that it was doing something harmful.)

--
David Covin                           covin@despair.uchicago.edu
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From: lianez@glockenspiel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Lianez)
Subject: Re: Mainstream Vampire Music
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:46:10 GMT

In article <BxuJA0.5LF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v105r6we@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (VAMPIRE) writes:
>
>     How about "of Wolf and Man" by metallica, sounds like its about
>werewolves, but could apply to vampires as well.
>
>                                        Da Blisster
>.........................................................................
>      It's the end of the world as we know it...
>      and I feel fine.
>.........................................................................


I also would like to suggest "They sleep at Dawn" by Slayer

-Michael
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From: alee@ellis.uchicago.edu (Steele Alloy)
Subject: FFC Script
Reply-To: alee@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:50:56 GMT

If anyone out there in netland has the script to FFC Dracula, (well,
it IS different than Stoker's), please, please email it to me or post
it here? Thanks in advance.

alee@midway.uchicago.edu
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