From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Prof. in Brazil kicked on the network
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:25:27 GMT

[Here are some articles in which
  1. A Professor in Brazil posts something to Bitnet he maybe
      wasn't suppose to
  2. His local sys admin expels him from the computer (and thus the network)
     and then announces this action the world
  - Carl]

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:25:00 BSC
From: GELSON GOMES <GELSON@BRFAPESP.BITNET>
Subject: Mastering Internet Tools
Comments: @FPSP.FAPESP.BR - @FPSP.HEPNET - @BRFAPESP.BITNET - .BR gateway
Comments: To: LCC-L@BRUFMG.BITNET, LCLTEST@TECHNION.BITNET,
 LCOORD-L@CEARN.BITNET, LDBASE-L@UKANVM.BITNET, LEADTCHR@PSUVM.BITNET,
 LECTU-L@BRUFSC.BITNET, LEPICSP3@LEPICS.BITNET, LEXX-L@IRISHVMA.BITNET,
 LGA-L@UREGINA1.BITNET, LHLOG@UIUCVMD.BITNET, LHU-L@ALBNYDH2.BITNET,
 LIAISON@BITNIC.BITNET, LIAISON@DEARN.BITNET, LIAISON@FINHUTC.BITNET,
 LIAISON@HEARN.BITNET, LIAISON@MARIST.BITNET, LIAISON@UGA.BITNET,
 LIBADMIN@UMAB.BITNET, LIBALL@PURCCVM.BITNET, LIBEVENT@USCVM.BITNET,
 LIBEX-L@MAINE.BITNET, LIBINFO@HARVARDA.BITNET, LIBMASTR@UOTTAWA.BITNET,
 LIBNET-L@EMUVM1.BITNET, LIBNET-L@NCSUVM.BITNET, LIBPER-L@KSUVM.BITNET,
 LIBPLN-L@QUCDN.BITNET, LIBRARY@INDYCMS.BITNET, LIBREF-L@KENTVM.BITNET,
 LIBRES@KENTVM.BITNET, LIBSCRN@PURCCVM.BITNET, LIBSYS@UWAVM.BITNET,
 LIBTECH@PURCCVM.BITNET, LICENSE@BITNIC.BITNET, LICENSE@DEARN.BITNET,
 LICENSE@FINHUTC.BITNET, LICENSE@HEARN.BITNET, LICENSE@MARIST.BITNET,
 LICENSE@UGA.BITNET, LINGFAC@ARIZVM1.BITNET, LINGSTUD@ARIZVM1.BITNET,
 LINGUA@ARIZVM1.BITNET, LINGUIST@TAMVM1.BITNET, LING417@RICEVM1.BITNET

 
"Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power" -
"The InterMeta Course"
 
     Begining on October 10, the InterMeta Course will describe
the History of the Metanetwork, cover the basic utilities used to
access the network and guide users through the Internet's,
Bitnet's, (and othernets') "databases of databases" to access
files and archives available. Some of the topics to be presented
in the InterMeta Course are how to (1)Remote Login, (2)Use
Electronic Mail, (3)Move a File, (4)Find Software, (5)Locate a
Person, (3)Deal with Network Problems. An index that covers a
selection of resources available on the Internet, ranging from
Card Catalogs to Archives for USENET news will also be delivered.
In addition, some sessions will help UNIX, VMS, VAX and DOS users
to interface their systems to the Net.
{_     Resulting from five years of researcing and using the
Network, the InterMeta Course is being prepared by Gelson
Gomes,Ph.D. The InterMeta is the first experience of a Global
Scale Course utilizing a matrix of connected networks, the
Metanetwork.
     Dr. Gomes is a professor at the Federal University of Parana
and is conducting research on the Computer Industries of Brazil
and Taiwan. He got his Doctoral Degree on Science and Technology
Public Policy at The George Washington University (Washington
D.C.).
     The course will be ministered from Brazil; to help
recovering local communication costs, (PDN is very expensive in
Brazil) a flat $ 5 US dollars donation is requested.
     To enroll in the InterMeta Course, please fill in the
application bellow and E-Mail to: Gelson@BRFAPESP.
____________________________________________________________
Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
The InterMeta Course
____________________________________________________________
                        APPLICATION FORM
 
Name:
Institution:
Highiest Degree Earned:
City:               Country:
 
__ Yes, I am sending US$ 5 dollars
     (or the equivalent on my own currency)
 
Mail your check to:
Gelson V. Gomes
358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
$

Date:    Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:12:12 PDT
From:    Melvin Klassen <KLASSEN@UVVM.BITNET>
Subject: RE: Mastering Internet Tools
 
On Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:25:00 BSC, GELSON GOMES <GELSON@BRFAPESP> wrote:
> "Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power" - "The InterMeta Course"
> ... 24 lines deleted ...
> to help recovering local communication costs (PDN is very expensive in Brazil)

It's too bad that he did **not** include "network etiquette" among his topics!
His message was posted to at least 94 BITNET mailing-lists (by my incomplete
count).  I sent him a reply (including the entire text of his note),
with the addition:

   Thank you for informing me of this course.
   However, at this time, I do not wish to register.

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:58:04 -0500
From: John B Harlan <JBHARLAN@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject: RE: Mastering Internet Tools
 
     I sent Gelson a note, too.  Not cool, such massive crossposting.
 
 
                         John B. Harlan   (LSTOWN-L owner -- hjw)
 
                        JBHarlan@IndyVAX
                   JBHarlan@IndyVAX.IUPUI.Edu
                          219.289.6629

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:31:58 CDT
From: "(J. Philip Miller)" <phil@WUBIOS.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject: Apologies re: InterMeta course (fwd)
 
I received the following note in response to a complaint about the widespread
posting over the weekend.  Earlier today, I had received an appology from Mr.
Gelson Gomes.
 
-phil
 
Forwarded message:
> From GOMIDE@fapq.fapesp.br Mon Sep 28 14:03:28 1992
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:07 BSC (-0300 C)
> From: gomide@fpsp.fapesp.br
> Subject: Apologies re: InterMeta course
> Sender: Alberto Courrege Gomide <GOMIDE@fapq.fapesp.br>
> To: phil@wubios
> Reply-To: gomide@fapq.fapesp.br
> Message-Id: <D090D305200024C5@brfapq.bitnet>
> X-Envelope-To: phil@wubios.wustl.edu
> X-Vms-To: IN%"phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller)"
> References: ANSP Network   HEPnet SPAN Bitnet Internet gateway
> Comments: @FAPQ.FAPESP.BR - @FAPQ%FPSP.HEPNET - @BRFAPQ.BITNET - .BR gateway
>
> PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
> It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
> professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
> privileges and announced a eletronic course:
>
> > ____________________________________________________________
> >        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
> >                      The InterMeta Course
> > ____________________________________________________________
>
> I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
> be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
> the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
> PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
> I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
> revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.
>
> Please write by normal mail, to:
> -> Gelson V. Gomes
> -> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
> -> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
> to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
> course by normal mail.  :-)
>
> With regards,
> --
> Alberto Courrege Gomide | Fundacao de Amparo `a Pesquisa - (11)831-3357
> Software Supervisor     | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo
> <gomide@fapq.fapesp.br> | FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014 - Brazil
> (ACG8) - .BR Domain Technical Contact. |
> --
 
--
     J. Philip Miller, Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Box 8067
	 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110
     phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - Internet  (314) 362-3617 [362-2694(FAX)]

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:05:00 N
From: "H.J. Woltring, fax/tel +31.40.413 744" <WOLTRING@PSYCH.KUN.NL>
Subject: RE: Crime & Punishment (copy)
 
Dear LSTOWN-L readers,
 
Following Melvin Klassen's reaction to Mr Gomide and the receipt of Mr
Gomide's statement on Biomch-L while Prof. Gelson's original posting
had *not* been posted to my list, I sent a note to Mr Gomide.  Below is
part of his reply and my comment.  While private notes should not be
published without the author's consent, I think that the present issue
overrides his copyright.
 
hjw
 ---------------------------------------------------------------
From:   KUNPV1::WOLTRING "H.J. Woltring, fax/tel +31.40.413 744"
Date:   29-SEP-1992 05:48:17.67 MET
To:     IN%"GOMIDE@BRFAPQ"
CC:     WOLTRING
Subj:   RE: Crime and Punishment ...
 
> Received: Tue, 29 Sep   92 01:26   MET
> Date:     Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:51 -0300
> From:     Alberto Courrege Gomide <GOMIDE@BRFAPQ>
> Subject:  RE: Crime and Punishment ...
> Original_To:  Jnet%"WOLTRING@HNYKUN53.BITNET"
>
>  ( ... )
>
> Moreover, many people are answering with "I sent the money!" - the
> fact that mail to <gelson> is bouncing may discourage some of them.
>
> Yours,
> Alberto Gomide.
 
Thanks for the above.  As regards the latter point, this can be addressed
by simply issueing a new, different user_id to Prof. Gelson?  Also, the fact
that many people are, indeed, paying up does suggest to me that many respon-
dents don't think that he went out of bounds.  If his intents were non-commer-
cial, I find it difficult to see how he offended CREN / EARN rules as put
forward in, e.g., file CONDUCT CODE at NETSERV@HEARN.BITNET -- perhaps except
for generating too much network traffic?
 
I trust that you'll take a wise decision.
 
Herman J. Woltring.

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:39:01 EDT
From: Stan Horwitz <STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: RE: Crime & Punishment (copy)
 
How can anyone who is not personally  involved with the decision to trash Dr.
Gelson's  account could  fault  Mr. Gomide  in this  matter?  Surely, if  Dr.
Gelson was  not treated  fairly by Mr.  Gomide, he could  take the  matter up
with Mr. Gomide and  higher management there. I am not  sure if my employer's
rules  are any  different  than anyone  else's,  but we  would  never boot  a
legitimate user off one of our systems unless we had damned good reason to do
so and could justify it to our Vice President if necessary.
 
It seems obvious  to me that Dr.  Gelson is not qualified to  teach a network
course.  Now that  I think  about it,  it also  seems very  strange that  Dr.
Gelson asked  for donations directly  to him, and  not to his  employer? This
idea of helping offset the networking  costs there seems mighty strange given
the fact  that he wanted  the checks  in his name.  Hmmm. I suspect  its what
got him  in trouble, not the  mass cross-posting of the  announcement per se.
 
Take care everyone,
 Stan Horwitz   Internet: STAN @ VM.TEMPLE.EDU  Bitnet: STAN @ TEMPLEVM
 
 Temple University's Sr. Mainframe Consultant; Manager of the Help-Net
 and Suggest lists; Listserv Postmaster
 
 Standard disclaimers apply. One of these days I will make this sig file
 look much nicer.
 
(N.B.: This was sorted out in private with Mr Horwitz -- hjw)

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:20:27 EDT
From: 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET
Subject: RE: Crime & Punishment (copy)
 
On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:39:01 EDT Stan Horwitz said:
>How can anyone who is not personally  involved with the decision to trash Dr.
>Gelson's  account could  fault  Mr. Gomide  in this  matter?  Surely, if  Dr.
 
I, for one, find Mr. Gomide's massive cross-posting of the action
taken against Dr. Gelson to be significantly objectionable in and of itself.
You are quite correct in saying that this was and is an internal matter
at the institution involved. IMHO, Mr. Gomide's wholesale transmission
of what one would presume to be privileged information regarding internal
disciplinary matters is no less offensive than the original post. If he
*had* to post something, Mr. Gomide should have stopped with a simple
"do not send money" imperative.
 
 
W. K. Gorman

Date:    Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:16:00 N
From:   "H.J. Woltring, fax/tel +31.40.413 744" <WOLTRING@PSYCH.KUN.NL>
Subject: Crime and Punishment ...
 
TO: Sr Alberto Courrege Gomide <GOMIDE@BRFAPQ.BITNET>
    System Administration, BRFAPQ.BITNET
    Fundacao de Amparo a Pesquisa do Estado de Sao Paulo, Brazil
 
cc: Sr Vilson Sarto <VILSON@BRFAPESP.BITNET>
    Biomch-L@HEARN.BITNET / Biomch-L@nic.surfnet.nl readership
 
Dear Mr Gomide,
 
Thank you for your posting onto Biomch-L@HEARN.BITNET concerning a
seemingly inappropriate BITNET posting in which some money was asked
for organising an electronic course on networking.  Actually, I do
not think that the original posting was distributed on Biomch-L, so
it seems that you may have been overreacting.
 
I have seen the original posting on a number of other lists, and
I must agree with Melvin Klassen's LSTOWN-L posting that the punish-
ment exacted on the offender does not seem commensurate with the
seriousness of his crime.  In my mind, the offender was more interested
in compensating for expenses than in making a profit; as such, I do not
think that his action was more than a (serious) breach of etiquette,
possibly confounded by the fact that your machine is both on BITNET and
on the Internet -- the latter is, indeed, becoming increasingly commercial
with many .com and .org sites.
 
In view of the above, may I urge you to reconsider the decision that the
offending professor is completely cut off from networking facilities?
 
Thank you for your kindness,
 
 
Herman J. Woltring PhD <woltring@nici.kun.nl or woltring@hnykun53.bitnet>
Moderator, Biomch-L@nic.surfnet.nl
 
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Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
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