HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: GUI's versus TVs (was Re: SEF did it again)
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:26:03 GMT
	<FOX.92Apr11090050@graphics.nyu.edu> <SCOTT.92Apr11141947@nic.gac.edu>
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences

In article <SCOTT.92Apr11141947@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes:

   In article <FOX.92Apr11090050@graphics.nyu.edu> fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
   >In article <SCOTT.92Apr11024138@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes:
   >
   >   <A GUI is to a command-line as a TV is to a book>
   >
   >Take this anti-NeXT propaganda to comp.editors.ed!  :)

   Think about the line.  Would the world really be a better place
   without _any_ televisions?  Doesn't television have a lot of
   potential (whether that is realized isn't part of my point :-)?
   Would anyone in their right mind suggest that since we've got
   television we can just get rid of books?

   [Stuff supporting the co-existance of GNU and command line deleted.]

I agree with you about GUI's and command lines, but I think that *on
the balance* the world *would* be a better place without TV.  By TV I
don't mean video monitors, and I don't mean video monitors attached to
VCRs, and I don't mean video monitors attached to a digital video
database.  I mean TV as we know it, programmed to maximize advertizing
revenues from millions of simultaneous viewers.  I couldn't live
without video monitors, but I'd like to try living without TV.  (And I
haven't gotten up the will power to try.  Yet.)

-david
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: schlangm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Harald Schlangmann)
Subject: TeXmenu talkin' english
Keywords: TeXmenu
Originator: schlangm@hphalle2b.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:44:50 GMT


Hi folks!

All of you TeXmenu users, who had problems with buttons talkin' german:
Do the following patch in file TeXmenu.app/English.lproj/TeXmenu.strings
Change the last line from

        "Nicht vorhanden..." = "Doesn't exist...;

to

        "Nicht vorhanden..." = "Doesn't exist...";

There has been a quotation mark missing, my fault. The NXStringTable
class doesn't like it...

There is a second bug, which crashes TeXmenu when closing TeX files with
substructure. This bug will be fixed in the next version...

- Harald (schlangm@informatik.tu-muenchen.de)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: NeXT used in Def Leppard video?
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:31:11 GMT

In article <#paHe+pl6@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)  
writes:
> 
> In article <s0d56INNq20@agate.berkeley.edu> et@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric  
Thompson) writes:
> 
>    Def Leppard has a new video, "Let's Get Rocked," and it contains a
>    bunch of 3-d type animation.  They have what look like animated
>    shots of a computer screen.. which looks NeXT-ish.  (I don't have
>    mine yet, so I can't compare.)  They open some windows ("Virtual
>    Audio"?) and stick some boxes together with lines (IB?).. well
>    anyway.
> 
> Looked like an SGI to me.
> 
> In this weeks issue of Business Week, the article on DSPs has a
> picture of a NeXT.  However, NeXT is never mentioned and the computer
> itsef is referred to as a PC.

I didn't necessarily think that a NeXT was used.  (The windows in it looked to  
Windows-like.)  But I did think that the animation could have been done with  
Renderman.  Did anyone else think that?

Todd
--
!  "Finally, some good  ! Todd M. Swan (ADP-2 - MS P910)!
!  software for a PC."  ! tms@lanl.gov  (NeXTMail)      !
!  -- Steve Jobs on     ! Los Alamos National Laboratory!
!     NeXTstep '486     ! Los Alamos, NM  87545         !
From: mkary@math.bu.edu (Michael Kary)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: cool your jets... (was: RightBrain Software to Ship Source Code)
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:49:21 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Boston University, Boston

In article <1992Apr3.190150.23004@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
 
   >This posting does not belong in this group.  Glenn, you are
   >violating the the only newsgroup policing mechanism - trust -
   >when you post these marketing announcements in this group.
   >They belong in comp.sys.next.announce, not here.
    
   
 
 
>Who cares?  I do, regardless of whether you do.
 ^^^^^^^^^^ 


Since you ask: I do not.
From: rcw@caspian.ext.vt.edu (R. Craig Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Source for NeXT Software
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:37:11 GMT

There is a company named Diskovery Educational Systems which sells software to  
the academic community (only).  They carry some software for NeXT (Improv,  
Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Font Packages, SoftPC, WP) at the best prices I've  
seen.  They also carry Mac and PC software.

Illustrator for the NeXT for example is $179.

We have ordered Adobe font packages from them.  It takes about two weeks for  
the fonts.  Their shipping time and costs do not compare with NeXTConnection  
but if time is not critical you still may save a substantial amount.

Their 800 number is 800-331-5489.  They do have a catalog.

I have no affiliation with this company.  Just figured there's a few out there  
interested in saving yourselves and your departments some bucks.
From: geb@amber.Rational.COM (Gary Barnes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT dealers (commercial) in the SF Bay Area?
Keywords: dealer
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:09:28 GMT
Distribution: ba


Are there any commercial dealers for the NeXT in the SF Bay Area?  I
didn't see any while wandering through the Yellow Pages.  I'm not a
student so educational dealers are presumably not helpful for me.
Some of the questions I want to ask are, "How much?", and, "What do I
get for that?".

geb@rational.com
From: khera@cs.duke.edu (Vivek Khera)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: MIME Standard
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:13:53 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: captain@uhura.cs.wisc.edu's message of 3 Apr 92 21:37:58 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 4e175a888ca173823b8bdccf9ce7d466

In article <1992Apr3.213758.29799@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> captain@uhura.cs.wisc.edu (Captain) writes:

	   Howdy,

     I was wondering about the possibility of anyone writing a program
   for the new "Internet Standard" of mail called Mime. I caught an article
   about it in Boardwatch Magazine (I believe it was the March issue). 
   Mime will implement a standard for pictures and audio extensions to
   e-mail over the internet. Instead of using the proprietary Newsgrazer (I  
   do like newsgrazer) format, how about an implementation of a Mime program.  
   Or perhaps Jayson Adams might consider implementing a Mime feature into 
   Newsgrazer itself. 

	   - C

MH 6.7.1 and 6.7.2 can be modified to "do" MIME mail.  there are
patches out there that provide the capability.  MH 6.7.3 will have it
built-in.  MH-MIME is not dependent on any particular display device,
but you have to provide the necessary programs to properly show the
multimedia parts (jpeg, mpeg, gif, audio, etc.) and set up the
necessary configuration file telling mh-mime what to do with the
different parts.  it works amazingly easily once it is all set up.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera, Gradual Student/Systems Guy  Department of Computer Science
Internet:   khera@cs.duke.edu             Duke University
            (MIME mail accepted)          Durham, NC 27706     (919) 660-6528
From: pratt@binnacle.rutgers.edu (Lorien Y. Pratt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Tell me what NeXT to ask for
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:22:34 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Hi,
  I hope someone on this newsgroup can help me.  I have been offered a job
where I think I can ask for any NeXT equipment that I'd like.  I run CPU
intensive neural networks simulations and X-based animation of their behavior.
I like to make videos of my work for demonstrations at conferences, etc.
Assuming that price is no object, what's the best NeXT machine that I can buy
for this purpose right now?

  I've been told that I should have something along the following lines,
but I'd like to know the particulars (i.e. model numbers, price to acadmic
institutions, and answers to the questions indicated):

  NeXTstation (what's the best, for memory, speed, expandability, etc.?  Will
    it be as fast as a Sparc 3?)
  gigabyte hard drive (again, what model is best)?
  Some kind of high-capacity backup medium
  Color monitor (what's the best?)
  NeXTdimension/16 (What's this, does it output NTSC?)
  Color postscript printer

Also, I use X a lot now, and I think I'd like to continue to, at least for the
transitional period.  How does it run on a NeXT?  How about ethernet
connections/protocols?  Any trouble there?

Thanks for your help!
  --Lori
-- 
L. Y. Pratt                      ,_~o      Computer Science Department
pratt@cs.rutgers.edu           _-\_<,      Rutgers University
(908) 846-4766 (home)         (*)/'(*)     Hill Center  
(908) 932-4974 (CoRE building office)      New Brunswick, NJ  08903, USA
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From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Neuron (really networking NeXT vs. Mac)
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:51:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.071524.16234@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip  
McDunnough) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.191741.12260@cs.yale.edu>  
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
> >
> >As far as I've seen, NeXTstep and the machines have
> >supported unix networking out of the box, and 3rd parties
> >have offered connectivity solutions for Mac
> >networking.  The Mac is the opposite.  How does that make
> >the Mac better? 

> The Mac Quadra with A/UX has very good connectivity. It
> even comes with  X. But what I was thinking of was the ease of
> setting up non-Unix based networks. To put a NeXT on a
> network demands a fair amount of know how. That may change
> in 3.0 . All I know is that I can easily link PC's, Mac's my
> GS,...but not the NeXT.

A/UX is an extra-cost item for the Mac.  X-Windows is an
extra cost item for the NeXT.

Networking PC's requires extra-cost hardware and
software, and I've heard plenty of horror stories about
various PC network "solutions".

Networking the Next requires a different investment of
time and knowledge depending upon your needs.  It can be as
easy as attaching cables, powering up, and letting the
bundled tools autoconfig the new host.  Or, it can involve
some knowledge of unix networking. 

> I have to say this. As part of the connectivity issue the
> Mac has good communications' programs and
> faxmodems/sw. We have Neuron. I rest my case. 

I have to say this: apples to oranges.  The Mac in generally
a single-user, single-process machine, and the NeXT is a
multi- user, multi-tasking machine.  The very nature of
the benefits of such mach/unix multi-tasking also makes
it difficult to use the same serial port for data and fax. 
I'm not about to give up the advantages of mach/next for
that one reason! 

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: feijai@kolob.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Being a Chump!!!!!!!   (Was: Wiping...)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:39:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: hamblin.1992Apr6.223947.8480
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Organization: Brigham Young University -- Mathematics Department

Jeff Henshaw writes

>| Peter J. Miles               Microsoft sucks !!!!!!!!!!!!
>| pmiles@eecs.wsu.edu          Bill Gates is a chump !!!!!!
>
>Geez, Peter, thats quite a .sig!  I particularly like the
>way you make blunt statements and provide such a wealth of
>facts behind your opinions.  Thats just beautiful.
>
>--
>-Jeff Henshaw		       Peter sucks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> jhenshaw@microsoft.com        Peter J. Miles is a chump !!
>
> not speaking for Microsoft.



Whoa!  There's a difference between attacking someone's workplace and  
attacking someone directly...

(So I had to...)

Sean Luke                       Jeff Henshaw is NOT a chump!!!!!!!!
Brigham Young University        And certainly Peter Miles isn't!!!!
sean@digaudio.byu.edu           But the man at the top of!!!!!!!!!!
MILK:  It Comes From Cows       Microsoft is one, in my opinion!!!!

:)
From: kari@pencom.com (Kari Karhi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NWExpo proceedings
Keywords: NeXT, NeXTWorld
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:40:14 GMT
Reply-To: kari@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Software

Just like a lot of you, I went to the NeXTWorld Expo in January and attended
the developer conference.  I also filled out a pink slip of paper that
promised that they would send me the proceedings of the developer conference
as well as some software (well, it's been a while so I'm not quite sure any
more what they promised).

Well, it's now been almost three months and I've yet to hear from them!
Does anyone have any idea if the stuff is coming and when?  Has anyone
actually received some goodies?  Or was that NeXT canvas bag all we were
supposed to get?

Cheers,
Kari Karhi
Pencom Software
(512)343-1111
kari@pencom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: kucerarj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan J Kucera)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  frame-grabber for still video
Reply-To: kucerarj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Ryan J Kucera)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:14:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.203724.27656@news.nd.edu> jscott@vardamir.next.nd.edu  
(james scott) writes:
> Greetings!
> 
> I have a small problem.  I would like to transfer images from a Cannon  
Xap  
> Shot still video camera to the NeXT via the video inputs on the ND  
board.   
> The Canon uses the NTSC standard, but I've encountered problems using  
the  
> NeXTtv app.  I think it has something to do with the way the camera  
> doesn't update the image.
> 
> Does anyone know of other software which would be suitable to my task?   
Or  
> do I get to write my own?

I encountered a problem when I first connected my Xap Shot but I found out  
there is a little switch on the bottom of the camera so that it will make  
the signal interlaced.  If you look, there is a black little circle on the  
bottom.  If you pull it off you'll see the switch.  That fixed mine.


Ryan Kucera
From: pmiles@gimli.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: I appologize to the University of Wisconsin
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:33:23 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

I appologize to all the people at the University of Wisconsin for
misspelling Wisconsin (a bonehead mistake). Now as for U of Wisconsin
being included on the poor ed. list, someone posted or sent me email
(i don't remember which since I did not save it) a complaint about
U of Wisconsin's NeXT support. From all the flames that I have recieved
about this, obviously this person was a disgrunted customer.

It has come to my attention that NeXT is WELL supported at the University
of Wisconsin.

I appologize for any bad reputation that University of Wisconsin gets
because on my blunder.


Also University of Oregon should have been deleted. I thought I did that
before I posted the list. 

All the flames I get for not proof reading my own posts I deserve.

-- 
Peter J. Miles               Ask me solve a technical problem, and I will
pmiles@eecs.wsu.edu          do it. Ask me to spell it, then enjoy a good
                                             laugh.
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: DSP: It's about time for the 96002
Keywords: dsp 56001 96002
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:54:18 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr16.180415.26582@cs.ucla.edu>, esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi) writes:
|> 
|> Why not NeXT? I mean, Ariel has come out with PC boards using the 96001  
|> "Multimedia" DSP chip from Motorola.
|>   
|> For those of you who don't know, the chip is binary-compatible with the 56001  
|> that NeXT uses and it is called a multimedia chip because, being a 32-bit  
|> version of the 24-bit 56001, it can process sound and graphics simultaneously.
|> 
|> a 33-MHz 96002 processes 16.5 MIPS and 49 MFLOPS.  The dual 88110 CPUs being  
|> rumored lately beat this chip in the MIPS, but do they have the MFLOPS?  I  
|> think it would be a good idea to use it in both 040 and (if ever) 88110  
|> systems.
|> 
|> What do you think?
|> 
|> Eskandar Ensafi --- esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu, esky@mayhem.icsl.ucla.edu


Another interesting question is why didn't NeXT replace the 56001 with the 96002
when they introduced the new turbo's?  this should have been a simple mod given all the other
things they have been doing to the board any way.

john.
From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:01:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: Tomobiki.MS-C.703123291.377401575.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
To: Chris Lloyd <a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0

I haven't heard from SEF.  But it seems that Jim De Arras bounces
MIME.  It seems that there are some implementation deficiencies in the
Jim De Arras bouncer though; it seems to take the entire text and
transmit it as a Next attachment.  More specifically, it takes
perfectly good email-safe encoded text, and performs the following
operations:
	1) prepends a short RTF header at the beginning.
	2) prepends a "> " to the front of every line
	3) appends the text "Pretty cute, an almost 1 meg post.
	   What's your point?" in RTF along with a signature.
	4) UNIX-compresses the entire mess.
	5) uuencodes the entire mess.

This seems to be a lot of extra overhead.  It added about 100
kilobytes plus adding several extra steps required to decode and
extract individual pieces of the message.  The "> " characters
inserted in every line are a particularly large part of overhead, as
is the encoding of data which has already been encoded.  I would think
that any machine running the Jim De Arras bouncer would end up
spending a lot of CPU overhead in these extra steps.

The equivalent could be done in MIME, including signatures and making
all parts of the innermost encapsulated message available, with a
couple of hundred bytes.  Refer to the MIME document, which you can
find on thumper.bellcore.com on pub/nsb/BodyFormats.ps (or .txt if you
can't read PostScript).  Specifically, it would add something like:
	MIME-Version: 1.0
	Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED;boundary="105foobar"

to the header.  Then it would start the body with:

	--105foobar
	Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822

then incorporate the text of the message to be bounced.  Then append:

	--105foobar
	Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN;charset=US-ASCII

	Pretty cute, al almost 1 meg post.  What's your point?
	
followed by the signature and

	--105foobar--

afterwards.  I used plaintext here since I didn't see any particular
usage of the RTF encoding.  I'm sure this can be implemented much more
efficiently than the Jim De Arras bouncer.  Also, the receiving agent
can conveniently extract the bounced message (or its contents) in this
format for processing in some other fashion.

If/when I hear from the SEF bouncer, I will report the results along
with a comparative analysis of its overhead and ease of parsing by the
recipient.

With tongue firmly in cheek...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sknapp@iastate.edu (Steven M. Knapp)
Subject: Re: Student discounts - cheapskate weasels should count there blessings
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:47:26 GMT

As my system says that zeek@znext does not exist...I HAVE TO complement 
'zeek' on a VERY FINE post...I agree completely... 

________________________________________________________________________ 
Steven M. Knapp		   	        	   Computer Engineering@
Friley 2298 Stanton			           Iowa State University
Campus Phone: 4-2950			    	    		Ames, IA




Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rnielsen@everest.com (Robert D. Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Supra v32bis fax/modem for $280
Organization: Everest Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:17:04 GMT

In article <11970@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> tdawson@shumun.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tim Dawson)  
writes:
> In article <1992Apr4.03417.18463@ms.uky.edu> sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills)  
> writes:
> > There seems to be a lot of interest in the new Supra modems, so I
> > thought I would post this information:
> > 
> > BFJ Enterprises in Atlanta is selling the Supra V.32bis fax/modems for
> > $279...which includes BLUE LABEL shipping.  Their phone number is:
> > 1-800-932-4712.  Note:  Every dealer has these things backordered; last
> > time I checked, BFJ had about 400 orders to fill.  Supra is shipping
> > the modems in relatively small quantities (in order to distribute them
> > evenly among the dealers), so you will probably have to wait a few
> > weeks before you actually get one (but this will hold true for most
> > any dealer you call.)  They were very friendly the several times that
> > I've talked to them; 
> 
> They are very friendly; when you can get through to them.  I called their  
> 800 number repeatedly for 30 minutes last week until I got thru (I kept  
> getting busy signals) and when I got through I was asked politely by a  
> computer to hold for the next available sales rep.  I was on hold for  
> about 40 minutes (yes, I waited) until I finally got to speak to a human.   
> The man I talked to was very helpful in tracking the status of my order,  
> and told me that it was shipping ahead of schedule.  I got my modem (the  
> $400 14.4k V.32bis V.42bis MNP2, MNP5,and MNP10 model) last Friday and the  
> modem part works perfectly (with Microphone and with uucp) right out of  
> the box.  I just can't seem to get the Fax working at all.
> 
> Anyone got any suggestions?  (Other than "wait for 3.0". 8-)
> 
> > I suggest that anyone interested in one of these
> > modems give them a call.
> > 
> > 
> > p.s. I don't work for BFJ, I'm just someone well-pleased with their
> >      prices.
> 
> Ditto.  The modem is great, especially for the price.
> 
> - Tim Dawson
> - University of Iowa
> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > --Mike Mills              E-Mail:  sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers,  
> uunet}!ukma!sam
> > --UK Math Sciences Dept.                  mike@ukpr.uky.edu    
> > --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)

Greetings All,

I just ordered a Supra V.32bis FaxModem from BFJ.  It was 289.95 with free blue  
label shipping.  If you put it on a credit card, you will have prepaid status,  
and get it quicker.

Cheers,
Robert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: new call for votes
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:18:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.193958.7241@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:
> 
> >"It's a joke, son."
> 
> I don't think I'm humor impaired, not the least.
> It's too dorky to be funny.

Quiet, you old gruff.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

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