HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 90sra@eng.cam.ac.uk (S.R. Atkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Bigdesk? ... What is Bigdesk?
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:26:01 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

098802@adpdp2.lanl.gov (098802) writes:


>One of our local pathological newsgroup readers said they saw a reference to a
>product called Bigdesk in this news group. He thought it might be what I'm
>looking for. Can anyone tell me?

>WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR:
>An MS-Windows product which will allow you to use more than one CRT while using
>Windows, and let you control items on both screens with one mouse (i.e. the
>little arrow can move between the screens).  

>My boss saw a product like this for UNIX machines at some meeting he went to
>and thought is was the cat's pajamas. So now he's looking for a similar product
>for his PC. Is Bigdesk what he's looking for? If so Where does he get it, what
>are the PC's requirments, etc.

>Thanks for the help.

Nope, BigDesk is a Shareware virtual desktop manager - it allows you to use 
the screen as a 'window' on to a much larger desktop.

The only reference I've seen for multi CRT software was a short review in Byte
sometime in the last year of a double SVGA card that allowed two SVGA
monitors to be driven from a single card, it came bundled with multi-CRT
drivers for Windows. The card is still advertised in the smaller ADs in Byte.

If I remember rightly Byte thought it was, erm, not terribly good.
Also, has your Boss ever really tried to use such a thing? I've used multi
CRT Macs and they seem fun for about ten minutes, then you use one screen
for all your work, and run a few DAs in the other.

If I were you I'd just order a decent sized monitor (17-24"), run BackMenu or
a similar shell, that doesn't steal your desktop space, and try BigDesk.

BackMenu and BigDesk are both widely available shareware - try DLing them
from cica.

Steve (sra@cxa.dl.ac.uk 90sra@eng.cam.ac.uk sra12@phx.cam.ac.uk)
PGP 2.1 public key available by fingering club.eng.cam.ac.uk
From: jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Unix utilities ported to NT?
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:16:02 GMT
Organization: Varco-Pruden Buildings

Is there an ftp site out there that has some utilites (like find, grep,
etc) that have been ported to NT?  I'd like not to have to port them.
Thanks.

-- 
      Jesse W. Asher                                          (901)762-6000
                             Varco-Pruden Buildings
                 6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN  38119
    Internet: jessea@vpbuild.vp.com                   UUCP: vpbuild!jessea
From: victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (V Menayang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: HELP: MAC diskettes on the PC !
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:05:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

Macsee works fine on my machine (the 1.4 disks).  I just tried download
a Mac binary file to my pc, write it to a Mac disk, and read it on my
Mac.  No problem.
I'll give mac-ette a try if I can find it.
But the easiest way to transfer between Mac<=>PC is to use such
utilities as AccessPC and DOSmounter on the Mac side.
I use both but find that AccessPC is more reliable.

-victor
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Victor Menayang                     victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: rjhoffma@iastate.edu (Richard J. Hoffmann)
Subject: Re: PS viewre for windows (Ghostview?) looking 4
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:52:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.125018.10422@aristo.tau.ac.il> bardak@tau.ac.il (Barak Cohen) writes:
>I am working with LaTex on a 386 (It is called EmTex) and I am looking
>for a utility 4 browsing PS files (or EPS) something like Gnu's Ghostview
>4 X11 .
>
>Does anyone know of such windows application ?

You might look at Ghostscript for Windows, found as gs252win.zip in the
postscript directory of Simtel or one of its mirrors.



-- 
Richard J. Hoffmann                Internet: rjhoffma@iastate.edu
Department of Zoology & Genetics     Bitnet: rjhoffma%iastate.edu@isumvs
Iowa State University                 Voice: (515) 294-8075
Ames, Iowa 50011
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: pschwrtz@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Paul Schwartz)
Subject: Re: quick (and basic) download question
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 07:34:04 GMT

edowdy@vax1.umkc.edu wrote:
: Hi all,

: I have a FAQ: I have pc+ for windows and wp4w 5.2. I am downloading file
: from a vax that I uploaded in dos (ascii text). Now when I download this
: into wp4w, I have no problem except that I get hard returns on some lines
: where I did not have them. So I have to go through the document and delete
: them.
: I know this is my ignorance. What do I need to adjust either in the upload
: or bringing the doc into wp to alleviate this? Oh I am using the Kermit prot.

When you download with kermit try using "kermit -i -s foo.file"  The help
on kermit will explain what the '-i' does and even though I was told to use
it for binary files it also keeps things clean for ascii files.

Paul

--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Paul Schwartz       pschwrtz@lynx.cs.washington.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman)
Subject: Re: Bigdesk? ... What is Bigdesk?
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:12:28 GMT

Along the lines of BigDesk and BackMenu
I would suggest looking at Usher 1.4c (usher14c.zip)
and WorkShift 1.6 (I thinks it's 1.6).
Both these can be found on Cica (last I looked).

oh, WorkShift is called wrksft16.zip

Paul...
From: Rick.Stangeland@ttlg.UUCP (Rick Stangeland)
Sender: postmaster@ttlg.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Windows tif viewer/printer
Date: 03 Jan 93  18:42:24 mst

 KT> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:32:44 GMT

 KT> Does anyone know of a tif viewer that can also print
 KT> these tifs ?
Try Paint Shop Pro, the shareware version is known as pspro101.zip.  Also available from:

  JASC, Inc.
  17743 Evener Way
  Eden Prairie, MN 55346
  USA

Paint Shop Pro supports the following file formats:  BMP, DIB, GIF, IMG, JAS, MAC, MSP, PCX, PIC, RAS, RLE, TGA, TIF and WPG.  PSP will convert between image types and perform various editing functions for you as well as allow you to print.  PSP is a Windows application.

RS

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: rajeev@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (rajeev.dolas)
Subject: Need a good Accounting package.
Keywords: accounting, public domain, shareware, source code 
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:21:48 GMT



Howdy all,

	I am looking for a good Accounting package for MS-Windows for a 
	friend. The package will probably be modified to suit needs of
	a specific market.  


One possibility:

	A public domain software with source code availability at a 
	reasonable price (read cheap :-). Some additional features we 
	would like to see (but are not absolutely necessary) are:

	o Export capabilities to a data-base and/or a word processor.

	o A Data-base module with export capability to a spread sheet and/or
	  a word processor. Import/Export capability to/from other Databases.

	o A spread sheet module with import/export capabilities.

	The spread sheet and data-base modules are completely optional and
	we would consider them only if the source code was inexpensive. 
	Pointers to public domain packages or responses from authors of
	these packages will be appreciated.


Another possibility:

	A commercially available package which can be enhanced by use of
	macros or some other utility instead of changing source code and 
	can interface with data-base, spread-sheet, word processor packages.
	An example of such a package would be eight-in-one by Spinnaker.
	We would appreciate pointers to other such packages.


	Thanks in advance.

	Please respond to
	raj@qsun.att.com

Raj Dolas
AT&T Bell Labs
From: agross@inode.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: WFW 2.0B GETTING STARTED
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:39:56 EST
Reply-To: agross@inode.com
Distribution: world
Organization: inode BBS, Usenet Access for NYC (212-679-9146)

J > I just installed Word for Window 2.0b (I did a full installation).  
J >Since I'm new to Word I tried the Getting Started and  Learning Word o
J >under the Help menu.  Both hang the machine and I have to pretty 
J >cntrl-alt-delete to get control back.   Is there a fix for this?

Are you running any TSRs?  Does Word hang if you do a 'clean boot', i.e., 
a minimal AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS?

--andrew g.


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#! rnews 5
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: mshulman@emc.com (Mike Shulman)
Subject: Windows based netnews reading program (like WinVn) - info req
Organization: EMC Corp, Hopkinton, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:03:53 GMT
Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

Hi everyone!
I am wondering if anybody knows of any MS-Windows based news readers
for Netnews, either shareware or not. I have WinVn, which allows me to
call up a mainframe, log in, telnet to the local NNTP news server, then run
WinVn to read news. It works, but the program has many bugs, which makes
things difficult. And even though it comes with the C source code, it was
written under Microsoft C/Win SDK, and my few feeble attempts to get it to
compile under Borland C++ 3.1 (the only windows development system I
have access to) have failed.
  So, if anyone has any info on Windows based news readers (or a bug-free
version of WinVn), please let me know.
  Thanks!


                                                                       - Mike Shulman
                                                                         mshulman@emc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: fosterr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond W. Foster)
Subject: Re: HELP: MAC diskettes on the PC !
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:13:48 GMT

In article <2B4DFFA5.13503@news.service.uci.edu> kaseko@atlas.its.uci.edu (Mohamed Kaseko) writes:
>I am looking for a good PC-based sotware that can enable me
>to read MAC formated diskettes on my PC. I would like to be 
>able to switch word and excel files between my PC at home 
>and the MAC in the office.
>
>Thanks
>
>kaseko

If the Mac in your office has a high density floppy drive, you can use Apple
File Exchange, a utility that comes with the Mac System software, to copy
files to an MS-DOS disk from your Mac. Note that unlike AccessPC or
DosMounter (mentioned by others in this thread) AFE will not allow you
to open files on the Mac directly from a DOS disk: it only allows
you to copy files to and from the DOS disk. But also unlike the others,
it's free! 

Ray Foster
Indiana University
Bloomington IN
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: O10037@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Ray Hoff)
Subject: Re: where to get MS-Access?
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:55:02 MST

bhouser@sc9.intel.com (Brad Houser) writes:

>Has anyone else noticed that MS-ACCESS is not available anywhere?

>I have been on a waiting list at Egg Head for three weeks, and
>they are telling me it will be another three to four weeks.

Brad try another Egg Head in your area if possible.  I say this because
one of my local Egg Head's currently has copies of Access stacked from
the floor to the counter (4 or so feet high), a good 3 feet or so
deep, and easily 3 feet wide.  I would guess its at LEAST 50 copies but
likely a shit load more.

Ray
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: Windows Write/Works WP printing problem
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:25:58 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Fabbian G. Dufoe, III

In article <C0Ct2v.4GJ@sherpa.UUCP> rac@sherpa.UUCP (Roger Cornelius) writes:
>
>A friend is having a problem with Windows Write, Works for Windows
>(just the word processor), and his printer (Epson LQ1050).  Both the

   What kind of differences do you encounter in the printed copies?  If the
spacing is different you might be printing with different fonts.  Write and
Works for Windows have different default fonts.

>Is it possible that Windows Write and the word processsor included
>with Works are using slightly different drivers?  Failing that, what
>else might cause this problem.

   I don't think so.  As I understand it, the printer driver is not a part
of Write or Works, it is an external program called by the print routines in
each program.  The printer driver is part of Windows and is exactly the same
no matter which program calls it.

--Fabbian G. Dufoe, III
   350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South   | GEnie:    F.DUFOE3
   St. Petersburg, Florida  33705 | internet: fgd3%nifty@tct.com
   813-823-2350                   | uucp:     ...tct!deep6!nifty!fgd3

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From: richard@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Re: Latest version of QVTnet? Where or who?
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:30:38 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1itqkqINNcbk@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, medrh@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Richard Hockey) writes:
> dbasinge@ucs.indiana.edu (D. Michael Basinger) writes:
> 
>>I just downloaded WinQVT/Net 3.16 from ftp.cica.indiana.edu in the
>>/pub/pc/win3/uploads directory. Looks like a new icon and some bug
>>fixes. Plus mail can pick between smtp and pop.
> 
> I just downloaded qvtnet31.zip and tried running it and I get a GP
> fault. Version 3.03 seemed to run OK.
> Any ideas?

I'm getting a GP Fault at 0001:06CF whenever I try to start it.  This is on a
Zenith 386sx16 with Windows 3.1, wd8003e.com, Novell Netware.

Version 3.03 worked perfectly on the same configuration.
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					--- Richard

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: kayman@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman)
Subject: Re: Weird Bug(?) in Ami Pro 3.0 Spell-Checker
Originator: kayman@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: Ami Pro, Word processor, bug
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:47:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.000216.7675@ra.msstate.edu> cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans) writes:
>Ok, really weird, but today I was checking a document and one word hangs
>up the spell-checker it is: One.
>
stuff deleted
>
>Thanks
>
>Chuck

Ami Pro did just fine for me.  I used multiple occurrences of one and One, in
the middle of the sentence, at the beginning or end -- Ami Pro 3.0 did just
fine.

Sincerely,

Robert Kayman	----	kayman@cs.stanford.edu

"In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they are not."
"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision
 revised?!?!"




Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: steveh@devildog.att.com (Steve Hendershott)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Mouse in a box - HOW???
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:34:38 GMT

There must be several ways to do this. Maybe we'll never really know the
definitive answer, but...

I've been following this and I get a mouse in my DOS windows and I don't
have any of the things others have been saying are necessary (mouse driver types
and versions, MouseInDosBox, etc). Maybe those are sufficient but not
necessary. 

I don't offer my answer as THE answer, but one that works for me. Do you
suppose this is all available in the manual???

Here's what I have in my system.ini file:

[386Enh]
...
local=PC$MOUSE
...

and that seems to do it for me. I have DOS 5.0 , Windows 3.1, and a Logitech
mouse.

Good luck,

Steve Hendershott
steveh@devildog.att.com

-- 

Stephen W. Hendershott
steveh@devildog.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: klund@athena.mit.edu (Kent H Lundberg)
Subject: Font Manager Util?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:19:51 GMT

 
I'm looking for a windows utility called "Font Manager" or 
something like that.  It lets you turn fonts on and off so you 
can put-them-in / take-them-out of the "available fonts list".  
It is supposed to save memory and increase speed by letting 
windows ignore the fonts that you aren't using.
 
I was told that it was shareware and available on Compu$erve, but
I haven't been able to find anything like it on WUARCHIVE or CICA.
 
If you know anything about this utility, please drop me a line.
Thanks in advance.
 
--> Kent Lundberg       klund@athena.mit.edu
From: keith@sytex.com (Keith Attenborough)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Lotus Notes -- Any Users?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 08:28:06 EST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

'Morning (at least here and now);
        This is a corrective posting for a msg I orginally incorrectly
    sent to comp.os.ms-windows.announce.  Apologies to anyone who has
    seen it there.

          I'm looking for folks who have experience they would be
    willing to share on installing and operating Lotus Development
    Corporation's NOTES groupware product and/or Lotus Notes
    Document Imaging (LN:DI).

        My office is initiating a Notes installations, essentially
    beginning from the ground up.  We have the Windows capable PCs in
    place (mostly 486/33s, 8mgb RAM, 230mgb HD, EISA, some 486/25s), but
    will be putting in everything else, from network interface cards in
    the PCs, through cabling to servers, backup devices, etc.

        First question:  Is there a more appropriate newsgroup for this
    discussion?  Notes is a Windows app (at least on the client), but
    there may be a more specialized forum that fits better.  My
    feed does not carry all the available newsgroups, but one
    can be added upon request.

        Second question:  Notes can be run over LanManager, Vines and
    Netware.  Since Notes will be the primary application on our LAN, we
    want to use the network operating system (NOS) most suited to Notes.
    Without trying to start the NOS wars (which can come to resemble the
    Crusades), is one of these three better suited to the task?  The LAN
    will be a closed (no dial-ins), relatively stable environment,
    running in a single building.  There are several workgroups
    involved, with significant traffic internal to each and a much lower
    volume of critical traffic between them.  Traffic is primarily text,
    but images will be mixed in.  Ethernet/802.3 over fiber.

        Thanks in advance.  Please respond via e-mail.

Keith  (Still working on a tag line, but std disclaimer applies -- this
        stuff is mine alone, without sanction or endorsement)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: request for MS window style and guide line
From: yshuang@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Yongshan Huang)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:45:38 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center


I am working on an User Interface Project. I am trying to
collect information on User Interface style or guide line.

If someone have these kinds of information, please let me
know.

Thanks

yshuang@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu

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From: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov (Mark Boolootian)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: (Summary)  Word/W4W/WP:  Which is best?
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:16:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

A couple of days ago, I asked for opinions on Word, Word for Windows, and
WordPerfect.  I received a tremendous response (thanks to all who took the
time to send me mail).  

By and large, the overwhelming majority recommended Word for Windows.  Many
pointed out the interface was very similar to that of Word for the Mac (which
was important to me).  Almost everyone said steer clear of Word (no graphical 
interface).

A couple of people were very happy with WordPerfect, but most had negative
things to say about it.  Several people talked about AMI Pro and, were it
not for my desire to maintain an interface with which I was familiar, I might 
have seriously considered buying it.  

Sorry this is so short on detail.  Just thought I'd let folks know what the
majority of responders suggested.

mb
-- 
Mark Boolootian		booloo@llnl.gov		+1 510 423 1948
Disclaimer:  booloo speaks for booloo and no other.
From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Transferring Docs from Mac Wrd5 to Winword 2.0
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:39:54 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu

From article <1993Jan12.063930.29634@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, by ASIMMOND@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA:
> I am trying to port a document in the font Geneva <- a silly font that Macs see
> m to be the only ones to use, to Winword 2.0. I have transfered a truetype copy
> of Geneva from Mac sys 7.0 using TTCONV for the mac, (converts Mac Truetype fon
> t to PC etc.) but spacing etc. STILL gets screwed up between the transfer.
> ANY suggestions would be greatly appreciated, please e-mail as the news-reader
> I use is IBM-VM based and basically SUCKS! (actually this is a good descriptive

A couple of things could be going on here.  If you have the fonts setup 
to substitute, it is substituting for a similar font.  The most likely
cause of your spacing problem is the fact that all printers are different.
Unless you have the identical printer as the current default on BOTH
machines, the spacings will be slightly different.  You can see this on
the screen by selecting a dot-matrix printer and viewing your document,
then selecting a laser printer you can see the spacing change on your
screen.

     Gregory R. Cook         |  INTERNET:    gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu
 Department of Chemistry     |               cookgreg@student.msu.edu
Michigan State University    |  BITNET:      cook@msucem.BITNET
 East Lansing, MI  48824     |  COMPUSERVE:  74170,3010
From: mike.mendis@madness.network23.com (Mike Mendis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Programming for SB
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:33:58 -0600
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: mike.mendis@madness.network23.com (Mike Mendis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I am lloking for some good programs written for windows 3.1, in which they 
use the sound blaster.  Can you please E-Mail them to me.  Thanks 
Mike Mendis







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From: venkates@egr.msu.edu (Venkatesh Gopinath)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Help required with paradise chipset drivers
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:07:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu


 
 Hi
 I have 486/33 with a paradise chipset based SVGA board (wd90c30).
 Unfortunately only windows 3.0 drivers came with the board (I cannot
 quite figure out the manufacturer but the manual says PVGA on the cover).
 I have tried all the latest paradise chip set drivers from cica (90c0031.zip,
 parad31.zip, pvga1a31.exe) and all of them crash (Windows starts up, I see the
 windows 3.1 banner and then the system returns back to C:). Windows runs
 correctly when I use the generic vga and svga drivers.
  
  Any suggestions ?
   
Thank you
Venkatesh Gopinath
Michigan State U
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