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From: roy@engin.umich.edu (Roy William Feague)
Subject: Re: bungee holocaust
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:20:32 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <2A90384E.24010@orion.oac.uci.edu> dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe) writes:
>In article <w8a-_NB@engin.umich.edu> roy@engin.umich.edu (Roy William Feague) writes:
>>I'm with you, Ed.  There is no reason for airbags, water, any or that
>>stuff.  etc...
>
>but we are talking about human operators here
>and when it comes down to it...
>
>negligence is the most important thing to take into consideration
>no matter how experienced, how great, how much money they've been paid
>people are flakes
>
Fair enough.  My point is simply that Bungee jumping does not have to be
unsafe if people are just a little responsible.  It makes me angry when
there are accidents, because then all the skeptics come out of the woodwork
to say "I told you so!  You're all just a bunch of nuts with death wishes!"
I hate that.  
	Of course, the safer you make it, the better off you are, and 
backups are never a bad idea.
-Roy
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins)
Subject: Bungee in Oregon
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:21:30 GMT

Can someone please e-mail me (or post) the names and phone 
numbers of the Bungee places in Oregon. I understand that 
there is a place near Hood River and one in the Mackenzie 
River area. If the Mackenzie River business is still there 
I'd love to make this part of my Cycle Oregon trip in 
September.

*********************************
Mark Collins
Logic Modeling Corporation.
19500 N.W. Gibbs Dr.
Beaverton, OR 97075
---------------------------------
E-mail: uunet!sequent!lauto!markco
E-mail: markco@lmc.com
Phone: (503) 690-6900 ext. 2212
Fax: (503) 690-6906
*********************************
From: rwtucker@starbase.mitre.org (Richard W. Tucker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Key sources of info on Bungee jumping
Summary: Want pointers to books, magazines, companies on Bungee jumping
Keywords: Bungee Jumping
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:03:12 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

Is there a national organization for Bungee jumping (and other
Bungee-induced trajectories)?

Are there any magazines or newsletters dedicated to the pastime?

Are there any substantive books on the subject?

Is there an industry association for commercial Bungee operators?

I note that "Bungee" is a trademark which is still actively protected.
I would think that the Bungee Inc. is involved in some way in the
sport of Bungee Jumping since they must license their trademark to
Just Go Bungee and other operators.

In any case, any info on Bungee-related organizations etc. would be
appreciated.

- Rick Tucker, rwtucker@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: rodmac@bnr.ca (Roderick Macdonald)
Subject: Re: Crane or Ballon?
Followup-To: Crane or Ballon?
Reply-To: rodmac@bnr.ca (Roderick Macdonald)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:51:38 GMT


Marc Cole writes:

>I paid 35pounds for my first jump (it's now 12pounds per jump for the next 
>year). What sort of prices are the rest of you paying? (BTW it was from a crane
>180ft above Bridgwater docks in England, and it was GREAT!)

At the beginning of June a group from work spent the day at a place called
Wilderness Tours just west of Ottawa.  For $170 a piece, we had a day of 
whitewater rafting on the Ottawa river followed by a 150 ft. Bungee jump.

I think the cost was broken up $90 for the rafting, including lunch and a drink, 
and $80 for the jump.

The last I heard was that they had dropped the price of the jump to $60 because
of two competitors that started up much closer to Ottawa.


Rod MacDonald  - BNR Ottawa
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
From: roy@engin.umich.edu (Roy William Feague)
Subject: Re: Key sources of info on Bungee jumping
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:48:16 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: all
Keywords: Bungee Jumping

In article <rwtucker.714016992@starbase> rwtucker@starbase.mitre.org (Richard W. Tucker) writes:
>Is there a national organization for Bungee jumping (and other
>Bungee-induced trajectories)?
...
>Is there an industry association for commercial Bungee operators?
	Are there any comercial operators on this Newsgroup?  Can anyone
give me any information about how to start up a bungee operation?  I'd like
to see one going at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, and I'd be
interested in doing it, but I would need information from and experienced
person...
-Roy
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:28:40 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Hello All!

Is there anyone posting to this newsgroup? Or is my feed just slow in
getting it started to me? Paint check! :-)

John

--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
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From: akwong@gundam.Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball,rec.sport.paintball
Subject: AutoMag forsale
Date: 12 Aug 1992 18:22:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: akwong@gundam.Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
NNTP-Posting-Host: gundam

For Sale: Automag

68 AutoMag - Level 7			$450.00
Crown Point Barrel long			$ 10.00
7 oz. bottle, anti-siphon on/off	$ 55.00
Bottom-Line Set-up			$ 35.00
200 rnd View Loader			$ 30.00
Smart Parts Barrel			$ 99.00

Asking $550.00 for complete set-up

Please call Ken Tin (415) 751-3190 home
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling)
Subject: Re: ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:42:07 GMT

I'm here also.  Anyone out there play in the San Diego area?

Mike Sterling
.
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:08:25 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <3975.2A91F193@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>Hello All!
>
>Is there anyone posting to this newsgroup? Or is my feed just slow in
>getting it started to me? Paint check! :-)
>

Most of the traffic moved over to rec.sport.paintball because of the wider 
distribution.  Checking on a friend's machine alt.sport.paintball is averaging
12 messages a month while rec.sport.paintball has 126 as of yesterday.

-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 09:20:11 CDT
From: DMc <U53306@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: ?

almost all of the articles are now posted in rec.sport.paintball
rather than alt.sport.paintball.....

I would look there for stuff, and if you don't have the newsgroup
talk to your news administrator about picking it up.

Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty@earth.eecs.uic.edu>
Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
coming soon:  <dlm@psyche.jglaser.com>  master of uniVerse!
From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:10:48 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello John!

Tuesday August 18 1992 22:28, John Hamilton wrote to All:

 JH> Is there anyone posting to this newsgroup? Or is my feed just slow in
 JH> getting it started to me? Paint check! :-)

I'm here....

Todd

--  
Todd Looney
UUCP: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!27!Todd.Looney
INTERNET: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG
"The views expressed above are those of Todd Looney only."
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From: akwong@gundam.Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball,rec.sport.paintball
Subject: AutoMag for sale
Date: 12 Aug 1992 18:20:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: akwong@gundam.Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
NNTP-Posting-Host: gundam

For Sale: AutoMag

68 AutoMag - Level 7	$450.00
Power Feed Upgrade	$100.00
Crown Point Barrel	N/C
Vertical Bottle Set-up	$ 35.00
LAPCO molded grips	$ 21.00
Slide-on sight rail	$ 15.00
20 oz. bottle		$ 65.00
200 rnd View Loader	$ 30.00
Smart Parts Barrel	$ 99.00

Asking $650.00 for complete set-up

Call Anthony Wong (415) 336-3754 work
                  (415) 878-4254 home
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: bwalker@IMD.Sterling.COM (Bruce Walker)
Subject: College, Sororities and $$$$$$
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:42:30 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: d4b3bfff317884243d4be61fe2c5610c

I currently have a daughter who will be a freshman this fall
at UNL. I was wondering what people thought of sororities and
the expense they involve.

Also if anyone has any ideas for getting scholarships, grants or
loans to help pay for college please forward the info to me.

-- 
-- 
Bruce Walker	             UUCP:     uunet!sparky!bwalker
Sterling Software IMD        INTERNET: bwalker@IMD.Sterling.COM
1404 Ft. Crook Rd. South     Phone:    (402) 291-8300 
Bellevue, NE. 68005-2969     FAX:      (402) 291-4362
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens,soc.men,soc.women
From: paulm@meaddata.com (Paul Marchant)
Subject: Re: Woody and Mia
Keywords: thank heaven for little girls
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:33:10 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <holly.174@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com>, holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug21.020451.14970@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
|> 
|> >Please post your own creative versions of this grisly, sordid tale.
|> >(Well, I sincerely hope that it is grisly and sordid...)
|> 
|> Well, naturally I have no idea what really happened.  My opinion is that he 
|> did not molest any of the other children though.  I think he just molested 
|> the older (adult) one.  However, since he obviously raised her since she was 
|> around 9, I think he's a total moron.  In Mia's shoes, I might be so angry 
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> as to make the other accusations too, that's why I think it's only the one 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
One of the scary things in America these days, is the power such
accusations have in society and how disgusting it is that any woman(or man)
would even consider making such an accusation out of anger just to
hurt a man(or woman). The court systems ought to treat such false accusations
(if it's determined to be a false accusation) as seriously as they
would an actual molestation.

My brother-in-laws' brother was involved in a very bitter custody
battle. His ex-wife accused him of molestation. After a year of
investigation and pure hell for him, the court discovered that the
child had been molested by the ex-wife's father. She admitted to
making the false accusation just to get at her husband. She lost all
custody of her daughter as a result. While a somewhat happy outcome
for him, I doubt it can undo the damage that was done to his
reputation in the community. 

Mind you, I am in no way defending anything Woody has done. Merely
commenting on suggestion that someone would make a false accusation of
child molestation out of anger or to get even with someone. Whether
the accusor is male or female, I'd send them to the electric chair.

|> child he molested.  I'm confident though that Woody will get what he 
|> deserves.  The girl will obviously dump him (after missing her relationship 
|> with her siblings and mother).
|> -----
|> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Marchant     |      The CCHA and the       | (513) 865 - 1637
Mead Data Central | Lake Superior State Lakers  | Statutes Conversion Eng.
P.O. Box 933      |                             | paulm@meaddata.com
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From: hawkes@hillrun.corp.sgi.com (John Hawkes)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: holidays in hell
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:35:32 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: Silicon Graphics

In article <1992Aug14.204039.11261@ccu.umanitoba.ca>,
etaylor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Euan R. Taylor) writes:
	[ stuff deleted ]
|>|> In fact in my case it has contributed to the fact that I now get
pretty
|> pissed off at the idea of even seeing my parents once or twice a year. 
|> I f you insist on imposing yourself on your kids when they are young ,
|> like some kind of CIA escort, dont be surprised if they dont want to
|> spend
|> their time with you AT ALL as soon as they can get the hell away. 
|> Just a thought.
|> Frankly I think Irma Bombeck is full of it.  Don't assume that what is
|> good for you at 30 or 40 is good for your kids at fourteen or 16.

I'm guessing that you haven't read the Bombeck book.  She wasn't trying
to impose herself on her children.  She was trying to expose them to
places and people that were different from the Arizona suburbs they
normally roamed.  Is this wrong?

Can I explore your statement further?  Suppose a 40-year-old believes
education is "good for you."  Her 14-year-old child doesn't want to go
to school, and instead wants to hang out at the mall.  So should the
enlightened parent let the 14-year-old hang out at the mall instead of
go to school?

My 14-year-old wants to do things I don't want him to do, and he doesn't
want to do other things that I want him to do.  Sometimes I'll accede to
his wishes, sometimes I won't.  It's all a judgement call.  That's why
I get paid the big bucks as a parent.
-- 

John Hawkes		hawkes@sgi.com
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu (dan abel)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: not traveling with a teen
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:46:38 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

My wife and I were discussing vacation plans last weekend.  She was 
lamenting that our family life seemed abnormal since I was so 
unwilling to have a family vacation with our teen.  I countered that 
I thought that many families with young children had family 
vacations, and that couples had family vacations once the children 
were gone, but that many families stopped vacationing together when 
the children became teens.  Reading some previous posts has confirmed 
my suspicion.

It seems logical that since families stop doing many other things 
together once teens develope their own interests and are capable of 
doing things without parental help, that family vacations would also 
not happen unless the whole family was in complete agreement, which 
won't always happen.
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Need your opinion on Careers for teens
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:35:52 GMT

In a recent alt.parents-teens article Brian Harvey wrote:

>Joan Balser writes:
>
>>My daughter is starting high school this year.  I was wondering if anyone on
>>the net knows who I can contact to get information on all the 
>>careers available for future jobs.  I know she is young (14) but I would like
>>to expose her everything that is available for her so she will have a rough
>>idea what she would like to take in University.
>
>Ease up!
>
> [lots of excellent advice deleted]

Although I agree with almost everything Brian writes, I want to add a
caveat. It is very important that high school students (girls in particular)
be encouraged to take as much math, at as high a level as they can stomach.
There are lots of fascinating areas of study which do require a more than
passing acquantance with algebra and calculus (such as economics, psychology,
sociology, to name a few that don't usually occur to people when they
talk about math prerequisites).

The lack of adequate math preparation in high school *can* close off some
fields of study later on, or at least make them much more difficult to
enter.

I have taught students at the university level who are desperately trying
to make up for math deficits. It can be done, but it is not fun. I hate
watching the students who are majoring in business, rather than something
they like better, partly because they hear it's easy to get a job if you
have a business degree, but partly because the business school has less
rigourous math requirements than the major they'd really like to take.
Neither reason is a very good one.

In sum, encourage your daughter to take a wide variety of courses in
order to find out what she really likes. Recognize that she is likely to
change her mind often between 14 and 30 (and maybe after that). Encourage
her also to keep up with math courses and with courses which require her
to write. 

That way, if she finds that her true love is something that doesn't pay
the bills (at least at first), she'll still be okay. Employers are dying
to get their hands on literate, numerate people, so she'll be able to find
a day job that supports her while she paints or acts or whatever. (And
hey, she may well find that she is inspired by the math.)

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
From: h2n5451@sigma.tamu.edu (NOBOA, HOMERO L.)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Missing, Abused, & Exploited Children
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:55:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12562@coxm>, coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox) writes...
>In article <1992Aug7.175557.197@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>>In <1992Aug6.161942.1@vax.sonoma.edu> abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>> how will it fits here.  Some of us, at times, *wish* that our teens 
>>> were missing, at least until they become human (adulthood?).  Many of 
>>
>>I'm sure that this was meant to be humorous, but i don't find it very funny.  i
>>suppose i'll get some number of flames about being 'humor impaired' or
>stuff deleted
>>*wish* that my teen were missing, nor do i consider her, or anyone else between
>>13-19 to be less than fully human.  do adults who say things like this WONDER
>>why parent-teen communications can be so difficult???
>>
>>IMO: it ain't funny.
> 
>   I don't think the poster thought their teenager was less than human, but
>expressed an opinion (humourously) that teens go through a difficult part of
>life and while it lasts for only 5 to 10 years it is difficult on those around
>the teen too.
> 
>   If there was anything WRONG with the world today is that people can't take
>a joke.  The world is so bent on being diplomatic that humour has lost its place
>as being the maker of friends.  There are slurs but they're really not jokes.
>Make a joke and make a friend (my quote).

I'm very sorry but I also found that 'joke' extremely annoying and 
rude


Homero
From: etaylor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Euan R. Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: holidays in hell
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:40:39 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

Re holidays with teens, just to say I can remember how much I HATED
holidays with my parents from age 14 (I think) onwards. These trips had
several consistent results
1) I became bad tempered, bored and frustrated.
2) I dreaded the summer vacation.
3) I never got to go away with my own friends and do my own thing.

In the long run I think insisting on dragging your kids along on holiday
with you (especially if you insist on being with them 24 hrs a day as my
parents did) is just being over posessive, and will just get them very
pissed off at you.
In fact in my case it has contributed to the fact that I now get pretty
pissed off at the idea of even seeing my parents once or twice a year. 
I f you insist on imposing yourself on your kids when they are young ,
like some kind of CIA escort, dont be surprised if they dont want to spend
their time with you AT ALL as soon as they can get the hell away. 
Just a thought.
Frankly I think Irma Bombeck is full of it.  Don't assume that what is
good for you at 30 or 40 is good for your kids at fourteen or 16.

"my opinions do not necessarily reflect my prejudices or those of my
employer."
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu (dan abel)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Missing, Abused, & Exploited Children
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:38:38 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1992Aug7.175557.197@news.wesleyan.edu>, RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> In <1992Aug6.161942.1@vax.sonoma.edu> abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>> how will it fits here.  Some of us, at times, *wish* that our teens 
>> were missing, at least until they become human (adulthood?).  Many of 
> 
> I'm sure that this was meant to be humorous, but i don't find it very funny.  i
> suppose i'll get some number of flames about being 'humor impaired' or
> whatever, but i'm willing to take that chance.
> 
> i find it offensive that such "jokes" which are at the expense of teens are
> tolerated, when racial or ethnic slurs like this would be trounced.  i do not
> *wish* that my teen were missing, nor do i consider her, or anyone else between
> 13-19 to be less than fully human.  do adults who say things like this WONDER
> why parent-teen communications can be so difficult???
> 
> IMO: it ain't funny.
> 
> ------------------------
> Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
> Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA

I think that we have a "net" problem here, rather than a 
humor-impairment problem.  I knew what I meant and what my frame of 
mind was when I wrote this, and still do, but it's not apparent to 
other readers.  It certainly is *not* very funny, and it is *not* a 
"ha-ha" kind of joke.  It is more the "fall on your face" pratfall 
kind of joke.  Part of the reason I (and other parents of teens), 
feel OK about this kind of posting is that no one can accuse us of 
not being in their shoes.  With only ludicrous exceptions, parents of 
teens were once teens themselves.  That is not to say that teens 
understand or recognize this, and often feel that they are the only 
ones who have ever had a "problem", especially with stupid parents 
who couldn't possibly ever understand what they are going through.  
These non-jokes are not just at the expense of the teens.  Many teens 
often wish that their parents were "missing" at times.

Note my use of "at times" in both postings (this and above).  For any 
people in a close relationship, there are often times of unhappiness, 
when a little separation is useful.  I don't wish for a permanent or 
full-time separation from my teen, I just want a little space 
sometimes!  The three weeks we spent apart this summer were wonderful 
for me, and I think good for him.  I know that he came to appreciate 
at least some things about home life more (he talked especially about 
the food).

My use of the word "human" is less defensible, and I just ask that 
you don't take it at all literally.

Just remember, parents:  This too shall pass, and you shall get your 
revenge when your teens grow up and have children themselves!
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens