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From: sknopp@vax (KNOPP, SHERRON)
Subject: Re: Exercises
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.135030.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>, happonen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes...
>Any ideas to make my daily basic exercises more interesting?
> 
>I need good ideas to keep intrest up and my horse happy.
>Horse is 5 years old and we already have one jump lesson in a week.
> 
>Sirpa
> 
You don't say what your goals are for yourself and your horse--but if
you like to jump . . . my favorite set of exercises this summer (for
my 7-year-old TB who shows in hunters and jumpers) involves poles on
the ground.  What *I* need to work on is (1) eye practice in seeing 
distances and (2) staying tall and using my upper body in turns (to-
gether with leg of course--but with as little REIN as possible).
What Judy (my mare) needs to work on is (1) being more adjustable
and (2) being more supple.  At the moment (for the last four or five
weeks actually) I have two poles on the ground 48 feet apart on one
side of our work area and the same thing on the other, except that 
I've actually got standards on the second side and the poles are 
real fences (about 18" high)--but it all started out as just poles
on the ground.  Anyway after a general flat warm-up, we do figure
eights and serpentines in different patterns around the four "jumps"
(it helps ME to have markers and it keeps me more conscious of how
large and small my circles/loops are), we also do circles over the 
poles and figure eights over them.  In circling at the trot, for
example, I want to get her on the smallest circle she can hold her
bend on and keep her rhythm on, and then we do it at the canter.
I practice staying tall and using my shoulders to indicate the
turns and Judy gets more supple and flexible and agile.  But I
don't drill at this for very long at a time.  Then we go straight
through the poles, first trotting, then cantering (oh yes--we
also do leg yields--starting, say, on the left edge of the first
pole and ending to the right of the second one).  Judy is very 
very good and adjustable at the trot, so I use the straight line
through the poles mostly for canter work.  48' is a 3-stride line
if I had real jumps there--it's a VERY long 3-strides just cantering
poles on the ground, but I try for that anyway, because she tends
to be more cautious than bold and I want her to have the feel of
really moving FORWARD to make a distance.  4-strides is a more
comfortable pace through the poles, 5 is more collected, and 6
is VERY collected.  We're at the point now where we can produce
3, 4, 5, or 6 in any order that I decide ahead of time--so I
made the little baby fences on the othhe turn and do the poles on 
the otherer side in 6.  But the point is this set-up is infinitely
variable and adaptable to all kinds of things, it gives you a 
real focus, and it helps our jumping skills without pounding
over fences.

Sherron
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: euler@snail.med.ge.com (Vicki Euler mfg 4-6041)
Subject: Leasing new horse and need help
Reply-To: euler@snail.med.ge.com (Vicki Euler mfg 4-6041)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 00:30:11 GMT

I am starting to lease a horse.  She is a 5 year old TB and as green as the     hills.  I have been riding for two years off and on (in between knee surgeries)
and now I am leasing my first horse.  I have all of my tack and now I need help
in the general care.  I know to brush her before I ride and to pick her feet.
When do I put hoof dressing on and how often?  How often do I give her a bath
and with what??  I have shown and bred dogs all of my life so this horse stuff
is a whole new ballgame for me.  I have shown a few times in the hunter classes
but I was lucky and rode at a stable that did all the work for me.  She is kept
at a stable but for some reason if you ask somebody they act like you are askingthem to give up their deep dark secrets.  

Also when I get done riding then what?? I know the obvious is to take the tack
off. OK now What??  She is a fairly reasonable mare and is pretty tolerant of
alot of things but one thing I found is she seems to be a little ticklish on
her back feet.  She will let me pick the gunk out but when you go to pick her
hoof up to clean it she squirms a little.  

If anybody can send me some advice it would be greatly appreciated.  Dogs I 
know and horses is new. HELP!!!!

Thanks
Vicki Euler

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Seatbelts in Buggies?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:29:00 GMT

In article <9209031323.AA05291@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>, Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes...
> 
>The jury ruled out things like a decoupling device to free a
>spooked horse from the buggy, and seat belts, as even more
>dangerous than the existing situation.
> 

What was the reason that seat belts in buggies were deemed dangerous? Is it
because people are expected to abandon the horse and buggy when an accident
is imminent?


Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Meadowacres Arabians
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ABOUT A SKIN CONDITION
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:38:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <4742@rosie.NeXT.COM> llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:
>Jill:
>
>Local vets have been going crazy this year treating skin problems like the one  
>you describe, and no one seems to know what the root cause is.  Shortly after  
>arriving from Seattle in May, Kinsale developed a few patches of thick, scaley  
>skin on his face. We wondered - as you did - if it was caused by fly spray, or  
>maybe his new fly mask and tried curry combing at first.
>
>When I brought the vet into the picture, he suggested alternating Betadine  
>rinses with shampoos using Neutragena T (yes, this is the shampoo for humans  
>:-) ). In both cases, he advised diluted solutions and rinsing thoroughly after  
>the washings.  Within a few weeks, we had the problem under control.  
>
>One word of caution, be on the watch for skin dryness when using these kinds of  
>treatments.  While they can clear up skin disorders, they can cause permanent  
>"burns" if horses are very sensitive.  We started with a few Betadine scrubs,  
>and then switched permanently to the shampoo since it's milder.
>
>Liza and Kinsale
>llyons@next.com


Has anyone heard this solution before?  At the barn where I'm
share boarding and at another local stable where my friend boards
there have been many horses coming down with a fungus-like skin
problem where bald spots appear.  At my stables, the women have
been using Massengill douche, mixed according to directions, applied
to the affected areas.  They've been getting very quick responses.

I don't know who started the idea - a vet or someone else.  

I'm also not making this up!  Perhaps it's the vinegar?

For what it's worth,
Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Different Breeds (22790$) ?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:37:55 GMT

In article <23055@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>,
locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:
>I've been reading (with interest) all the recent posts regarding people's
>favorite breeds (since I hope to become a horse owner someday).  My
>question is how expensive are these different breeds?  I pick up a copy
>of Horse Illustrated from time to time as well as check the classified
>ads to try to get some idea of cost.  It appears that some breeds (for
>example Paso Finos) are always *really* expensive.
>
>I realize that horse prices fluctuate greatly based on the current market
>and that prices vary within a breed based on the horse's training and what
>they will be used for.  Can anyone give me a list by breed of most expensive
>to least expensive prices?  Ballpark figures are all I'm really looking for.
>
>Thanks,
>Anne.


Keep in mind, Anne, that *breed* doesn't necessarily correlate with
price. If you said, "compare the prices of different breeds of
ungelded colts 3 years old" that would be easier, because in some
disciplines it's important to be able to breed (eg:  racing). And
think about it: a yearling racehorse prospect might AUCTION for half
a million dollars, then be worth a fraction of that after two
disappointing years on the track. Meanwhile, a prospective nothing
like Milton (breeding-wise, I mean) is priceless now, even though
he's gelded. It's a daunting (and flame-courting!) task to rate
breeds without the additional boundaries of age, discipline,
breeding, and breeding potential. But here's a stab:

1) TB racehorses -- upper level (ie: Kentucky Derby, Arc d'Triomphe)
2) world class sporthorses (warmbloods, TB's, some odd crosses)
3) breed show horses (arabs, QH's, gaited, morgans)
4) breed racehorses (QH, appy's, etc.)
5) regionally competitive horses:  trail (arabs), jumping (all
   breeds), dressage (all breeds), CT (ditto), rodeo (ditto) etc.
   etc.  etc.
6) lower-level TB racehorses & breed racehorses
7) schooling-show level horses, all breeds
8) horses for fun (mutts of all descriptions)


See, I'm even wary of doing it this way, because I know someone's
going to come along and say "my dressage horse is more expensive
than most QH racehorses" or "my CT horse came to me for $2,000 and
now he's champion of the universe and I've turned down $1,000,000."
It's just really hard, and I feel like I've left a lot of things
out. Like what about miniature horses? What about really good
cutting horses and stock horses (about which I am woefully
ignorant)? What about saddle seat horses (ditto)?  Driving? How
about really fancy pony hunters?  It seems to me to be more
discipline related than breed related, since most competitions are
open to all breeds.

Someone must have more knowledge about this than me....but here's my
two dollars and twenty-two cents.

=gwyn

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From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: A Basic Glossary
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.170931.25766@watson.ibm.com>,
mary@dakar.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes:

>>How does hunter style differ from jumping?
'
>being timed.  Touch classes (also called Rub classes) are scored
by counting
>1/2 fault for each touch in front, and 1/4 for each touch behind (or vice
>versa, I'm always getting that confused).

This is right. Think of it this way: it's much more dangerous for a
horse to be careless in front than behind. If a horse gets TOO
careless in front, you can "ass-over-tea-kettle" as my childhood
trainer used to say. So it's more of a penalty to touch in front
than behind. And I think this is Table 1.

>#2)  There are new jumper divisions for those of us who can't devote as much
>time, energy, and money as we would like.  The Adult/Children Amateurs
>is usually a 3'6" division (depending on the show) which is becoming extremely
>popular.  There are also two leagues, the Marshall & Sterling and the National
>Adult Amateur Jumping League, where we can actually win some pretty good
>money AND qualify for some indoor shows (M&S has its final at Washington).

This is way cool -- why don't they have them in California? Where
are you?

>Sorry this got so long, but I love a chance to talk about what I do! ;^)
>
Give me a break! That was a great description, Mary. Especially all
those Table 2 differences. A friend told me to remember it this way:

2A = "after" (the entire class)
2C = "continue (without stopping ie: power and speed)

Now I can't remember what B stood for! Maybe it was just the one
left over, so it's got to be the one where you stay in the ring!

=gwyn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mfey@cco.caltech.edu (Mark P. Fey)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:05:25 GMT

vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici) writes:

>We are looking at a horse (to buy).
>The temperament, looks, size are perfect.
>The only thing that is bothering me is that when
>you pick up its rear feet to clean them that he
>seems to look to you for balance.
>When he travels he does travel straight and has no
>problem backing up.
>The horse is 8 years young - and seems not to have
>been neglected but looks as though it may have been
>more of a pet than a riding horse.
>Should I be concerned about his lack of balance when
>cleaning his feet?
>Thanks, GINI
>AT&T-BL
>mvuxd!vmm

If the horse has no lameness problems causing this behavior , 
the horse is probably just being "lazy". Something that I
have found works is to hold the foot by placing your hand on
the front of the hoof instead of supporting the horse at the 
ankle or cannon area. That way, when the horse leans on you,
he doesn't get a solid support because of the fulcrum effect
of the ankle. Be careful, though, to work up to this (ie, 
gradually hold the foot closer and closer to the hoof) so that
the horse can develop his own balance and doesn't over-stretch
his ankle at the beginning.

Kate


From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 16:30:13 GMT
Subject: Re: first horse
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

I've sent Karen the FAQ on horse buying.

Wendy
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: suede breech patches
Date: 4 Sep 1992 20:00:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

Does anyone know where one can get the suede patches for breeches?  I
have several pairs of breeches with cloth patches, and they are too
slippery (and no, of *course* I don't grip with my knees ;^)).  Seems
like new patches would be a lot cheaper than new breeches!

Sarah Pallas
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale)
Subject: Horses and Dogs: was Re: Horse attacking dogs was Drivers encounter ...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:29:55 GMT

In article <92233.47873.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>A couple of times after that I've noticed some extra interest from her
>when dogs have been in the arena where we've ridden. To the point where
>she has increased speed to catch up when they run along side and she keeps
>glancing over at them. I have had her about over 3 years and I've never seen
>her do anything like this before. Has always been dogs around. Has anyone
>seen this kind of reaction in their horses?

My horse enjoys when she is accompanied by Daisy, the big hound who usually
comes with us on hacks, because she sulks if she is left behind.  Daisy
hasn't learned the meaning of "heel" but she does understand "get over
here and stop scaring my horse!" and "get oughta the way!".  She's learning
not to stop and sniff while in the horse's path.  Spring usually watches for the
dog and seems calmer when Daisy is in sight.  Also, if Daisy is messing
around in the long grass or corn, and Spring is ready to spook at
the noise, she will calm herself immediately if I tell her with 
some scorn in my voice "...that's Daisy".  Seems to associate
the dog with her (the dog's) name quite consistently.

Since your horse had fun with one dog, she may be looking for another
one to play with, especially since going round and round on the
longe can be kinda boring :-).   Is the horse normally aggressive
around the dogs or is she just coming up beside them?  Something to
watch for maybe - my friend had a horse who couldn't stand cats - would
deliberately and directly attack anything feline in her pasture or
stall.  Cats soon learned to stay out of her way :-).

Ruth
.

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From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: need help with stubborn horse
Keywords: help
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:00:37 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <1992Aug26.003926.20005@cco.caltech.edu> deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
 >In article <1992Aug20.222051.29855@infonode.ingr.com> blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe) writes:
 >>  I have a 3 year old mare that once she gets warmed up she is hard to stop.
 >>I only have this problem at a canter. It usually takes 3 attemps to get her to 
 >>finally stop... Or could this be because she is so young.

 >3 is very young indeed.  >
 >Also, you probably should not expect an immediate response from a horse
 >this young and green.  It takes time for them to learn to balance 
 >properly with a rider and if she is running "downhill" at all, she
 >may need work to improve her balance before she CAN respond faster.
 >
I second Debbie's advice.  I'm riding a 10 year old now who is
actually so green that he can't balance himself very well to stop.
He stops well when I shift my weight or if I say whoa, but if I
use the reins, he just leans hard on them and puts his nose down so
that he really CAN'T stop very easily.  He also has a hard time
carrying himself at the canter, he likes me to hold him up with the
reins. He's getting much better about that, since I now refuse to hold
him up!  Does anyone have more advice about getting these two horses
(the 3 and the 10 year old) to balance back at the halt?  I've tried
backing a few steps after a halt, and that seems to be helping a bit.
He's not a stubborn horse as far as I can tell after riding him 4
times.  Just uneducated.

Sarah Pallas
From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: info wanted on Wintec trees
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:29:00 GMT
	<1992Aug25.134905.6019@bmw.mayo.edu>
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling


In article <1992Aug25.134905.6019@bmw.mayo.edu> bmc@mayo.edu (Bruce Cameron) writes:

>   For my endurance riding, I am moving to a Wintec Austrailian-style
>   saddle simply to get a bit more support, I not found any problems
>   with how the saddle fits the horse. The big advantage of Wintecs
>   come from their light weight, which can be a help if you are
>   borderline in the weight classes.
>
>
>   --Bruce

Bruce,

I was wondering about the comfort and support of the Australian-style 
Wintec saddle.  I ride mostly on trails using an old western saddle and
was considering the wintec for a couple of reasons.  First I wanted good
support and a more carefree saddle than a leather one.  I have no desire 
to spend free time cleaning more tack than I have to.  If the Wintec are
are as good as a good Ausie-stock saddle I would like to try one.  Please
let me know how you like it.  

By the way, how is the up-keep on the Wintec saddles?  Do you think they 
will hold up?

thanks in advance 

stan


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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Summer Fungus
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:38:21 EST
Organization: Wright State University 



A trainer told me yesterday that he had heard the large amounts of 'summer
fungus' was due partly to Vitamin A deficiency caused by the messy weather
we have been having.  (Don't know if that is true but...._)  Anyway, he
suggested supplements and also to use Betadine rinse followed up by 
Tinactin Spray on the area.  So far we have had very good success with this
and Beau is clearing up very well.

Sue
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Desitin Baby ointment
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:20:41 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA


I just wanted to share what I have found to be a wonder drug. This wet summer
seems to be causing skin yuckies for everybody.  Quest got scratches on his
heels and either dew poisoning or rain rot on his hind cannons.  It was really
gross and nothing was being effective on it.  So I tried Desitin, the diaper
rash ointment (actually it was the Peoples drug store brand, but same stuff),
and it did wonders!!  It was healing within a week, and is now all gone.
(It does say "keeps the wet away from baby" :-)

I've used the Desitin before for hock and elbow sores with great results, and
this time it did the trick again.  It is also good to put around the eyes to
prevent sunburn and irritation from flies on pink skinned horses.
It was first recommended for the fly irritation by my vet, and I keep finding
more and more uses for it.

Melanie
   and Quest
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