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From: v122npej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sareer A Fazili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: RE: Situation in Occupied Kashmir
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

It seems so easy for us to just post trash and then think that the readers will
just accept it as fact. Well, unfortunately for some, and fortunately for the
rest of us, that is not going to happen here. Does anybody, whether kashmiri,
Indian, or whatever, know India's stance on groups like Amnesty? For those of
you who think that Amnesty has an open invitation to visit Kashmir, YOU ARE
MISTAKEN! it is only recently, maybe in the past week, that AI officials are
visiting India, and they have been refused outright permission to tour Kashmir. 
It has even been reported by AP/UPI that they are being allowed only selected
tours of Punjab!

Amnesty International, Asia Watch, and Justice Tarkunde, all human rights
giants, have submitted basically the same reports. These state excesses on the
side of the occupational forces, with rapes, electric shocks, and other forms
of unmentionable torture being commonplace.  The US State Dept. has a file on
what is happening to Kashmiris, and the US Congressional human rights caucus
also is well briefed on the situation. Their report would prove to be good
reading for anyone interested on the Kashmir situation. 

Pollution of the movement has occurred, but when one talks about the "SITUATION
IN KASHMIR" they should at least present the true situation. For those
interested in finding the real truth about Kashmir, there are more than enough
benign sources for you to look at. You definitely will not find those sources
here.

Sareer A. Fazili
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ram Lakh^n and Bab^loo~
Date: 22 Nov 1992 13:50:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov22.195143.10515@news.uakron.edu> misra@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra) writes:
>In article <1em4faINNc7h@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>|> In article <1992Nov20.193612.6487@gw.wmich.edu> x92nath@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>|> >SHOULD BE STRICTLY AVOIDED.  NOBODY IS HERE TO READ YOUR BULLSIT EMAILS
>|> >
>|> >SHAMBHU.
>|> 
>|> 	
>|> 	Ram Lak^han's  littil babloo brother has arrived ...
>                              ^^^^^^
>
>	That is spelt bab^loo~. He is the brother Ram Lak^han has been
>	searching for since thay were separated 20 years back. Its a
>	long story... Ram Lak^han was able to jump aboard the freight
>	train while poor littil bab^loo~ ran behind shouting Bhaiyaaaa......!


Well, then I guess George Chacko is the "villiyan" in the shtory, doing his 
best imitation of Ajeet. Hmmm, GC instructing Chaminder Pal Icarus :) " Tum
torch ko aan-aaf karna. Njan wahan se motor boat ki light aaf-aan karega. Tum
usse poochna 'Whiskey ka rang kya hai?'. Njan bolega,' usme sirf bhang mila 
hai'. Tum usse sona lena aur usse kooolly shoot kar dena" :) We have our 
readymade heroine... Sonia! whom Seetamraju so assiduously observes time and 
again ... Now if we could just figure out if Ram Lakh^an is the smuggler and 
Bab^loo~ the police inspector or vice-versa, we can decide who should die of a
strategic bullet wound in the end and who should go to Hawaii with Sonia.. :)
... Or should we bring in a second heroine (NiRmmala? :) and have a happy 
ending? mona darling need not be seen. She'll "nahati raho".. :) 
Song writer, of course,has to be master-poetaster, Dighe :) aided admirably by
Prabhu Sir Balaraman. A. Natarajan can write the comedy scenes, Satya can 
write on the Social message of the film (!), Doki can pitch in with sidey 
liners for front-benchers and Ravi Narayan, of course, would be in-charge of 
publicity :) Sridhar can be the technical consultant. I'm pretty busy with
copyrighting the whole thing. And the director? I guess the guy who conducted
the PITA polls... :)
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian History
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:59:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sf22Tfa00iQC0_R11P
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Some more interesting stufff from the Britannica (this is from
their articles on Dravidian languages).

"The term Dravidian was employed by Robert A Caldwell who introduced
the Sanskrit word Dravida (which in a 7th century text, obviously
meant Tamil) into his epoch-making "A comparitive grammar of the
Dravidian or South Indian Family of Languages" (1st edition 1856)"

(I believe this is the origin of the modern use of the word Dravidian.
Aryan, to denote a  racial group, was coined around this time. Funny
that we should be so attached to thse modern labels.)

"It is however, a well-established hypothesis that Dravidian
speakers must have been widespread throughout India, including
the northwest region. This is clear because a number of features
of Dravidian languages appear in the RigVeda....Several scholars
have demonstrated that pre-Indo-Aryan and pre-Dravidain bilingualism
in India provided conditions for the reaching influence of Dravidian
on the Indo-Aryan  tongues in the spheres of phonology (e.g. the
retroflexive consonants made with the tongue curled upward toward
the palate), syntax (e.g.  the frequent use of gerunds, which are
non-finite verb forms of nominal character, as in "by the falling
of the rain", and vocabulary (a number of Dravidian words
apparently appearing in the RigVeda itself.)"

(It seems to me that the development of Sanskrit into a
literary language and the composition of the RigVeda took
place much after the arrival of Indo-European language to
India. The Vedas are then hardly a contemporary record of
invasion.)

-arun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Organization: -
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:16:46 GMT

Chandresh Patel/Satya Prabhakar discussion goes like:

Attribution > = Chandresh
	    >> = Satya

>payscale for waiters is set based on the fact that they will be tipped.

True. A 10-15 minimum tip is expected, where service is required.

>But most of the restaurants hire college students and
>other illegal immigrants at less than minimum pay. 

Sometimes indian businesses offer just half of minimum wage, 
or work just for the tips. 

>> However, if they see tip as a means of survival in business, they
>> should consolidate it into the final amount and save everybody lots
>> of heartache (like they do in Europe).

>Who do you mean 'they' who can consolidate the tip into the check? 
>A waiter has no say in how a business is run! 
>And if a common restaurant owner did force such a payment scheme, 
>(which many poche restaurants do, even here in US) the business may suffer. 

IMO tipping is a necessary evil. It is the only way to control the bad
attitude of an unhappy waiter/waitress. The better practice would be to 
tell customers not to tip where there is no service required, such as
buffet lunches. But this assumes the full price of the meal and any
employees salaries are covered by the check. I feel the guilty parties
here are the restaurant owners, not the customers or the wait-persons.

Honest businesses (probable oxymoron) deduct the tips from the
food prices while the dishonest ones (most of the indian ones) don't.

Regards,
Raghavan, V.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Reply-To: uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:24:37 GMT

In article <susanc.722533119@keckiris> susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:
>rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:
>
>>	no! we don't wanna do that......that would be stoopid. But hey,
>>	don't you think women should grow up too and get actively involved
>>	in subjects like sex, physical relationships etc instead of 
>>	maintaining the "hiding in the closet" attitude ? I read soc.penpals,
>>	soc.singles and even rec.humor....and there I see women actively
>>	participating in such (serious AND humorous) discussions without
>>	shying away (just cuz they are women !!!). They are discriminating
>>	themselves, dooode !!!
>
>Now, really! Is 'growing up' completely determined by how ready one
>is to discuss sex and physical relationships on a public newsgroup? 
>The vast majority of readers and posters on most newsgroups are
>declared immature on this basis. Since sex is discussed to death on
>soc.singles and alt.sex and soc.penpals, is there any real need to
>bring it in here just so that we can all prove we're adults? And
>why should you think that women prefer not to discuss sex just because
>they are women? Are the men who prefer not to discuss sex on this
>newsgroup doing so 'just because they are men'? 
>
>I guess your point is that the women who post here should not
>object to sexually explicit jokes, but should actively take part
>in them. But why? If I don't find them funny, why should I pretend
>that I do just to be 'one of the guys'? I've seen no evidence that
>most of the men who read/post on sci revel in this humour either.
>Yet you seem to believe that it's only the women who are so lacking
>in a sense of humour that they don't find sexual jokes, suggestive
>gifs of women, and obscenity funny.
>
>Susan.
>--
>---
>Mail from this account is forwarded to susanc@helix.nih.gov
>
>
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:34:09 EST
From: Arvind K. Mathur <AMATHUR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re:Khalistan

    The sikhs are just about as brave as any other Indian Community, not any
more or any less. But their other qualities such asopenness, forthrightness
and straightforwardness endeared them to many people. Unfortunately they are
now under a cloud of suspicion due to their links with Pakistan.
    As far as the green revolution is concerned, it is interesting to
see that Punjab received the maximum central assistance for their agricultural
program as compared to any other state since independence.Some attribute this
unfair assistance to Nehru's personal liking of the Sikhs.
From: srinivasan-arun@cs.yale.edu (Arun Srinivasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: RE: Ed Crick
Date: 15 Nov 1992 11:47:34 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: zoo-gw.cs.yale.edu


Why are you desis picking on my pal Ed?

In the words of Rodney K., "...can't we just all get aloong?..."

Oh yeah, stop using those $5.00 words. I'm having a hard time following you
"intellectual"-types.


arun
From: patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ban on Doki to write anything on SCI
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:36:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: key.3873
Reply-To: patel@key.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced System Division

In article 721692722@Xenon.Stanford.EDU, Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu (Sudarshan S. Chawathe) writes:
-> mpmehta@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Manish P. Mehta  ISE Grad) writes:
-> 
-> > Since many days I am reading to the net for some interesting news or topics
-> >but  I am fed up with all the personal  fights. So we should ban all such
-> 
-> Well, there's no one forcing you to read s.c.i., is there?
-> 
-> >articles on SCI. Also if it is possible some one should inform their systems
-> >manager to suspend their account or access to any nwes group.
-> 
-> Oh really? And why? Simply because _you_ think this person's articles
-> are stupid?  He probably thinks the same about you.  Learn how to use a
-> kill file.
-> 
-> I'm no Doki fan; but let's not be harsh on him.  After all he only uses
-> up a _little_ disk space in my kill file!
-> 
-> _________________________________________________________________
-> Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu                                 tat tvam asi

Personally, I have no problems with the bickerings that some people
persistantly express on the SCI. They have a right to jam this
newsgroup with as much cruff as they wish.

But it's not the disk space on some kill file that bothers me rather
the bandwidth that it takes and the related disk space it occupies around
the world!  Especially, when they are not paying for it. :)

But that's the overhead of free speech... So to each his/her own.
Click away!!

---
Chandresh Patel			Amdahl Advanced Systems, Fremont CA
patel@key.amdahl.com		+1 510 623 2316
From: gaur@cs.uiuc.edu (Rajeeva Gaur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:26:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bxx9rw.3sp
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

dreddy@b30.ingr.com (Devender Reddy) writes:

>Hi Netters,

>I asked my friend what would be a reasonable tip and he quoted 15-20% of the 
>bill, unless the service is bad. He also told me that he gets good tips from
>Indian students than Indian doctors and other professionals.

>Just thought would let y'll know.

>-Devender Reddy.
>dreddy@b30news.b30.ingr.com

If I recall correctly, AAA recommends 10-15% of the bill. As I have noticed,
many Americans follow it too. Well it also depends on the amount.  You don't 
want to tip $0.50 .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:24:13 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1eb4duINNn77@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki) writes:
>rajain@sml3.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:
>
>>	hey dooode! It's like a star-ship (not Enterprise, of course :) )
>>	stuck in a black-hole and who knows how deep a black-hole is cuz
>>	no one has ever returned from a BH !!!
>
>hey doode what a scene you set up to use your starship .sig and what a
>pity you wasted it........anywayS why don't you crosspost your
>articles to soc.culture.indian.telugu. i am sure folks out there also
>enjoy our kinda stuff.
>
Blah, blah
Blah, blah
Blah, blah>
>
>suresh
>
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From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:56:18 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
: 
:     sreehari nimmala, Don't you realize the above posting of yours 
:     constitute a threat of physical assault to Raj and his fiamily!!  
:     You could be sued, nimmala.
: 
:     I again ask you to seek help from a shrink.  You may not be lucky
:     every time.
: 
:     -jit

Professor Abjit Dutta, why didn't you include Dr Raj Kannan's
posting sir?? Anyhow, my answer to your posting is :

			  Koi mera zhAnt bee ukhAd nai sakthaA.
: 
: disclaimer: opinions are mine only.
  disclaimer: ---DITTO-------------
: 
: 
: 
: 
: -- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raman@cs.cornell.edu (T. V. Raman)
Subject: CNN Blunder: Bhutto marching to `INDIA'!
Keywords: CNN news blunder 
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:34:05 GMT



Here is a shocking blunder I heard on CNN today morning.

Reporting on the teargassing of Benasir Bhutto's motorcade the
announcer said:

Pakistani police bombed Benasir Bhutto's jeep with teargas shells.
Miss Bhutto was on a march vowing to remove the government in `India'!


The announcer even stressed india,

in a later newscast they corrected the blunder and said Islamabad
though of course they did not mention that they had wrongly reported
India earlier.

--Raman
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:37653 alt.culture.us.asian-indian:1265
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:36:28 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.140.191


	Arre Chodo Yaar.......

	(and if you notice a double entendre in the above statement,
	 trust me, I didn't mean _that_ ................             )

	So they want a mailing list for themselves. Let em have it.
	What goes of our father, to borrow a Hindi phrase......

	I, for one, haven't lost anything by not being invited to scores 
	of kitty parties...... what difference does it make??

	And believe me, if Kali And The Cheerful Avengers are on the list,
	it ain't worth it anyway.........     :-)

	If you like, we can start a "men can bitch too" mailing list.
	Though I wouldn't want to be on it myself...... I happen to bitch 
	just fine on s.c.i.

	Prem!
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From: dbrus.Unify.Com.ijk@unify.uucp (Indradev J. Kadidal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: YACM (Yet Another CM) for Karnataka - Moily chosen
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:08:30 GMT
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.ijk@unify.uucp (Indradev J. Kadidal)
Distribution: na
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA



The news just in... another Karnataka CM has been (s)elected - Veerappa
Moily has just been given the authority by the centre to pillage and plunder 
the state.

The other candidate in the running, SM Krishna, was reportedly not selected 
for the same job because he is from the "forward" community (duh..?!). I don't
think it matters who gets selected to run the state. As long as the current 
system of selection remains, the people of Karnataka (and others too) will
suffer the same fate, and deservedly so.

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From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: The Solution to Infiltration - Cong(I) report on Bangla. Problem
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:33:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu

indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
|>
|>    This is the final posting on this topic.
|>

	do you mean the final posting from you? or are you part of the
	net police too??? ;-)

	peace,

	- ravi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi)
Subject: Re: What do American students think of India/Indians ?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:34:24 GMT

rajib.k.doogar.1@nd.edu (Rajib K. Doogar) writes:

[..Quote of the entire post by krishna@seas.smu.edu (Sanjay Krishna) deleted..]
[..Other nitpicking deleted..]

Since you are nitpicking, learn not quote more than 1/3 rd of what you have to
say. Save bandwidth. Anybody who was interested in the original post would have
remembered it without your quoting the whole thing again. Why I do see this
annoying habit mostly in SCI?

Anil

-- 
Sathsangatve    nissangatvam   From good company to no company
Nissangatve      nirmohatvam   From no company to lack of desire
Nirmohatve    nischalatatvam   From lack of desire to concentration of mind
Nischalatatve  jeevanmuktihi   From concentration of mind to liberation of life
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 12:52:03 EST
 <92321.180111RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET><1992Nov17.170859.26282@csrd.uiuc.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

    Sanjoy Ghosh writes:
-
-Actually to go off on a tangent here.  What you say above is exactly
-what I have been confused about for a long time.  When a foreigner asks
-an Indian, what is Indian music, he plays him Ravi Shankar, Bismillah
-Khan and all the rest.  When the same foreigner goes to India all he
-hears is the songs of Ashiqui, QSQT, etc.  In the same way is it right
-to call something part of Indian culture when it is not even known to
-the majority of Indians, much less practised by them.  To say that the
-culture of a small minority is the culture of the entire race is tantamount
-to denying the existence of the majority.
-

  Good point, but surely you are not arguing that Lata Mangeshkar or Nitin
Mukesh are in `need of assistance' from the expatriate Indians living in this
country!  Actually, speaking for myself, I did give up a tenure track
position at Stanford to teach at Panjab Univeristy, but found that the
Indian educational system required more patience with Red Tape then a
young person could realistically have!  I believe things are better now.
Not too much better, I am afraid.  It makes sense to try to help only if
you are one of the people whose help WOULD be of importance.   From such
a point of view, perhaps it makes more sense to set up first class
universities in India instead of sending our students abroad.  Then the
training is more likely to be realistically helpful.  However, this is,
at the moment theory only.  I am not sure that the existing Indian
educational structure is more realistic for Indian needs than the Western
Universities.  Mahatma Gandhi used to talk of Buniyadi Talim, a sort
of applied training, but some new ideas are needed and the resources to
implement them.

  Anyway, would one not argue that the US has made contributions to WESTERN
Civilization?  Similarly, expatriate Indians can contribute to a Pan-Indian
Civilization.  Also, it seems that Indian-Americans  (of whom I am not one)
can make substantial contributions to India itself through providing
contacts, resources, information and  for that matter, political contributions
to people like Solarz, who is unfortunately, now out of the game.

Rohit Parikh