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From: cindy@meshugge.media.mit.edu (Cindy Blank-Edelman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Kosher gelatin
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:29:35 GMT
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory

Kosher gelatin, and kosher rennet for cheese, cannot be derived from
non-kosher animals in order for Orthodox Jews to label them "kosher".
They may be derived from kosher animals. However, because they undergo
a lot of processing, they are no longer considered to be "meat", and
can be combined with milk products and still be kosher.  Therefore,
the kosher gelatin in your yogurt, and the kosher rennet in your
cheese, could be derived from animals.

Non-Orthodox Jewish movements may differ on what they will consider
"kosher", but I believe it is only Orthodox Jews who run the companies
to supervise the kashrut (kosher-ness) of foods.

I believe, but am not sure, that agar-agar is often what is meant by
"kosher gelatin", but that is obviously not a 100% reliable assumption
to make.

--Cindy Blank-Edelman
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mccabe@deca.cs.umn.edu (Mary Margaret Boyer)
Subject: REQUEST:  Broccoli recipes
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:56:13 GMT

I'm always looking for new ways to use broccoli.  Anybody have any 
favorite recipes that they would be willing to share?

Thanks,

Mary Boyer
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: Request for sauce recipes
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:32:38 GMT

In article <3108@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>My staple for lunch is steamed veggies, tofu and rice with some sort of
>sauce sloshed over the whole thing. 

I do the same thing, and I TOO get pretty bored!  Here's how I
occasionally deal with sauce:

Keep a stock of Hoisin, Plum, Hot, Soy, Salsa sauces, as well as
sesame oil, roasted sesame seeds, fresh coriander, miso, lemon juice
and dijon mustard on hand.  Then try mixing different combos.  A
good one to try is: miso, mustard, lemon, honey, soy.  I also love
the miso tahini combo seasoned with cumin and watered down with soy,
water, lemon juice or rice wine vinegar.  These are all things I do
up quickly in a bowl and then just pour over the rice and veggies.

Also, try cooking ahead one night a week and get off the
rice/veggies/tofu kick!  

- L.

-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michele Coleman)
Subject: Re: becoming vegan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 23:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.214230.21495@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael) writes:
>I recently reduced myself from an ovo- to a lacto- diet.
>I found, however, that I natuarlly have cut back on my
>lacto- intake.  I used to drink a quart or so of milk
>a day, along with yoghurt. Now, I'd be surprised if I drank
>that much milk in a week, and eat no yoghurt.  Has anyone else
>noticed this phenomenon [in themselves]?
>
    Yes.
    About eight months ago, when I got the results of my first cholesterol
test, I cut most cheese out of my diet and also most of the few eggs I did
eat.  I also switched from 1% milk to non-fat milk.
    Now food with cheese frequently repulses me.  I rarely eat yogurt
or eggs.  I'm considering cutting way back on milk as well.  So while
I doubt that I'll become totally vegan, I seem to be eating less and 
less animal products as time goes by.
    It hasn't done that much for my cholesterol level, though, unfortunately.

--Michele Coleman
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: List of participants (Version 8)
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:16:59 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Oct6.094551.24458@abo.fi>, abulsari@aton.abo.fi (A. Bulsari) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.125044.4527@bb1t.monsanto.com> tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>>Take for instance your recent post of all that misinformation about 
> 
> Something does not become misinformation just because you think it is.
> 
>>colon cleansing and purging with its pseudoscientific and *VERY*
>>inacurate description of normal colonic flora, the immune system,
>>etc.  Anyone without a basic knowledge of science would probably
>>be taken in since it contained so many "scientific" terms.  
>>However, much of what you proposed could *KILL* someone if carried
>>to extremes.  Your posts can be downright dangerous.  I notice
> 
> Vegetarianism is dangerous ! 

I never said that.  I refer to the colon cleansing and fasting and
purging that you advocated in your article.  *THAT* is dangerous!

Kill animals to save yourself ! 

I never said that either.

> With
> this kind of nonsense, I will be forced to ignore you from now on.

Nice excuse.  Make up accusations and use them to justify your actions.
I *WILL* continue to rebut posts that you make that contain dangerous
missinformation.  What does colon cleansing and purging and fasting
have to do with the topic of this newsgroup, anyway?

> I am willing to talk to people with views radically different from
> mine only if they have sufficient decency.

More accusations.  You mean only if they agree with you.

>>that you didn't respond to my followup on that one!  I also loved
>>your post where you were saying how equitable the situation in 
>>Finland is and how missunderstood it is and how ignorant USans
>>are.  
> 
> Gee, I haven't seen many Lapps driving around in BMW's
>>lately 
> 
> What is this sentence here for ?

In a recent post you were flaming about USans not having an
equitable distribution of wealth.

>>Tell us, what *IS* your professional background?  That
>>might shed a little light on the subject.    
> 
> Irrelevant. Chemical Engineer (Ph.D., 1988, M.S., 1985)

Yes, absolutly irrevelant to Human Physiology and Medicine
which you seem to discuss alot.  Mine is in Medical Technology
and Biology so I think that I know a little more about the
subject than you.  

>>Of course, the above can be ignored since it is obviously just more
>>veg bashing and personal attacks...  But you asked.     ;-)    
 
> Please don't expect me to respond to your postings again. I might
> respond to them if I find them written decently enough. 

As long as they agree with you and not with the facts?
I repeat, *YOU* asked the previous poster about *WHAT* missinformation
you posted.  *I* responded with examples.  Sheesh!  Accept 
responsibility for your actions.  

Ted Feuerbach - Scientific Systems Consultant
Disclaimer:  Monsanto didn't say this, I did.
From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: "cabbage" family recipes!
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:00:10 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

> mathieu@geod.emr.ca (Pierre Mathieu) writes:
>> Does anyone know any good vegan recipes using "cabbage" family vegetables
> 

I have a delicious cabbage recipe, supposed to be a side but we eat it as a
main, its so nice.
From memory:

Half-3/4 of a green cabbage.
cup of tomatoes. (I put in a little extra they're supposed to be peeled)
Tbsp sugar (brown)
pepper and salt (tsp)
3 tbsp wine vinegar (I use malt if I don't have wine)
1 large onion

Peel and slice onion, into the frypan with a little oil. Add the cabbage,
sliced up. Fry til the cabbage is just getting brown. Add sugar, wine vinegar,
toms, salt and pepper and simmer for about 5-10 minutes. Add more pepper to
taste. Serve.

I tell you, you'll be surprised at how nice it tastes. Its called Joannas
Cabbage and its from Alison Holsts Meals without Meat. All her recipes are
winners.
-- 
Tom Higham,                    
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,
University of Waikato,
Hamilton,
NEW ZEALAND.
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From: was@ils.nwu.edu (Wayne Schneider)
Subject: Re: FALAFAL???
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.002301.26577@sequent.com>, mkay@sequent.com (Mary Kay
Petersen) wrote:

> 
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Headline : Tahini Sauce
> |
> | 2	cloves	finely minced garlic
> | 1/4	cup	tahini
> | 4	tbsp	lemon juice
> | 1/2	tsp	salt
> | 4	tbsp	cold water
> |
> | Process all ingredients in a blender.
> |

...adding yoghurt to this sauce makes it very nice and creamy, but of
course no longer vegan...

   wayne

Wayne A.
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From: gwb0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GERALYN WOOD BARRY)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Veg places in Corvallis, Oregon?
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:49:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi all,

My husband and I will be moving to Corvallis, Oregon in a few months
(from the Bethlehem, Pennsylvania area - 3000 miles!). Neither of us
has been there before. I would like to know whether there are many/any
vegetarian restaurants (especially Indian) or stores that sell local
organic produce in Corvallis. My usual strategy of looking at the yellow
pages in PhoneFiche at the libarary didn't work - they have no fiche for
Corvallis. The closest thing was Eugene/Springfield (and I saw the earlier
postings about Portland).

Any other comments about the Corvallis area would be appreciated too!
Anybody have a cheap but quiet place for rent out there starting in
January, preferably with space for a garden :^) ?

Thanks,
Geralyn

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From: tower@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (Leonard H. Tower Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,rec.food.restaurants,ne.wanted,ne.food,alt.restaurants
Subject: Wanted: Providence, RI, Veggie Restaurants
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:12:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.28623
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: Humanity

I'm looking for a list of vegan and vegetarian restaurants in downtown
Providence, RI.  Around the State Capitol, RISD and Brown University.

I'm also interested in Natural Food Stores and Coops.

Name, address, phone number etc.

thanx -len

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: C11815@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Josette Giacobbi)
Subject: Re: Kale
Organization: Motorola
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:48:17 CDT


When I cook kale, I steam it, or put it in the pressure cooker for 1-2
minutes. Then I heat some oil in a frying pan, not too much, chop up a
lot of garlic 4-5 cloves (we love garlic) heat it for a few minutes (don't
let it brown) then toss in the kale and quickly cook it. you can then
cover it and lower the heat and let it cook longer to really absorb the
garlic.    We cook all our greens this way: spinach, collards, turnip,
etc but we like the taste of kale the best.    josette
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: "Murphy Brown" is a vegetarian
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:11:52 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I could have sworn that I read somewhere that "Murphy Brown" insisted
on appearing in one episode drinking from a "PETA" mug, the network
(or whoever) insisted that the mug not be shown on camera ... don't
know who won. Does this ring any bells for anyone?
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Wheat Grass Juice and Leaf Protein
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:23:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  This is in reply to the last posting on this thread by 
Mr. Campin concerning:  wheat grass juice, leaf protein, etc.

I do not have a text editor so I cannot quote excerpts.

Firstly, wheat grass juice is not at all the same as boiling
a heap of grass in a pot.
It is from carefully grown, very young grass shoots (several
weeks old only), clipped and juiced cold in a special juicer.
I have found at least one study indicating that nutrients
such as vitamin c, beta carotene and several enzymes are very
high.  It is unfortunate that the U.S. Dept of Agriculture
has not yet assayed the nutritional content in its publications
as it has done for most other foods.

I never suggested a starvation diet of nothing but wheat
grass juice.  
Also it seems less than serious to compare such diet
experiments with the ingestion of bird feces, etc.

Wheat grass is also under study by several medical teams
and I have a few cites at this point.
I am also somewhat familiar with Mr. Pirie's work on
leaf protein and extracting a higher density of protein
from certain leafy plants is not more one sided than
the culinary preparation involved in any diet, whatever
the cultural tradition.
I fail to see what this has to do with deforestation, etc.

As for blue green algae, certain varieties are already
enjoying multimillion dollar sales including the finer
varieties such as chlorella which is mostly grown in
Japan at this point, and spirulina which is grown in
various places including Hawaii.
Again the blue green algaes have been assayed and shown
as very high in several nutrients.

On the points concerning exploitation of the Third
World cultures both by western countries and by oppres-
sive political systems within a particular third
world country, I agree that such insensitivity and
greed has dominated much of the changes occurring.
However, I do not believe that every individual
village with its people interested at least in
certain areas in trying better diets to gain better
health, would be =oppressed= by any such changes.

Also, applying your principles in these areas, one
would assume that you would also suggest that 
perhaps the U.K. would be better to break up into
self sufficient communities where members could
produce only according to their needs, etc. a sort
of array of individual utopias.  Seems a long way
off at best and looking so severely at society
would also lead one to look at computers themselves,
what we are both using at the moment and realize
painfully that there was undoubtedly some degree
of exploitation involved in their assembly.


-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
From: charlesv@cs.athabascau.ca (Charles Van Duren)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Need address - Modern Products
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:48:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Athabasca University

Does anyone out there have an address for Modern Products, distributors
of the "Spice Gardens" line of non-irradiated spices and herbs?

Much appreciated.

CvD
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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: What's wrong with free-range eggs ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:09:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: osnome.RIGG.92Oct5130910
	<RIGG.92Oct5092029@osnome.che.wisc.edu>
	<CC.92Oct5182059@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk's message of 5 Oct 92 18:20:59 GMT

In article <CC.92Oct5182059@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:

   [Lots deleted]

   Not all these problems are general of course, but I don't see how you can be
   sure that a wild animal is a healthy animal.

These are certainly valid concerns.  Many farmers will spray just
about anything if it means an increase in production.  However, this
is a risk I am willing to take.  After all, I get the pesticides
whether I eat the soy beans or the deer does.  Hopefully, the soy
beans are an insignificant fraction of the deer's diet.  

Another option is to hunt further away from farms.  But with such
widespread pollution, I don't think anything is really safe....

tim
From: ruthb@hotspring.sitka.sun.com (Ruth Blackburn)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Chickens
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:43:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ruthb@hotspring.sitka.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hotspring.sitka.sun.com
Keywords: chickens


The owner of my building lives upstairs from me, and he has two chickens.  They
"range" all over the yard and neighborhood (much to our neighbors chagrin, as
they raid their gardens) and seem to be fairly happy and intelligent.  The older
chicken, Clarabel, comes when you call her and holds her own against the three dogs
and the cat in the yard.  The other chicken started to lay eggs and brood recently,
so my landlord got fertile eggs and switched them with hers.  Clarabel is 
top chicken, with Clementine being very submissive to her; they have definitely
established a pecking order.  Clementine had four siblings, but they all turned
out to be roosters, so they unfortunately ended up in someone's soup pot.  

I don't think chickens are stupid, based on my personal experience with these two,
and reading here about the horrible treatment that chickens receive in hen houses
makes me NOT want to eat eggs at all, even the "free range" variety.

BTW, I live in Berkeley.  The woman next door has a chicken too, in addition to
her dog, cats, full-size pig, and a goat! :-)

ruth
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vitamin supplements unnecessary
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:14:53 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I dunno, this sounds like a diatribe against ideological impurity
to me.

Some people - and at least one Nobel Prize winner - think that
substancial doses of vitamin C and/or E are anti-carcinogens.
I have never heard any suggestion that they might do you any
harm (A and D in sufficient doses - yes. But C and E, no).

Vitamin C costs something along the lines of 1 cent per 500mg tablet.

Call it Pascal's wager, but I think I will keep taking the stuff.

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rajesh@unlv.edu (Rajesh Viswanathan)
Subject: Re: "Murphy Brown" is a vegetarian
Organization: UNLV
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:52:28 GMT


Paul and Linda McCartney I believe are vegetarians. (Paul of Beatles fame
if there are any doubts)
-- 
Rajesh
:: I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they chose a king, they     ::
:: don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some ::
:: good ideas.								    ::
From: kra@sdd.hp.com (Katherine Albitz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: grapefruit
Date: 1 Oct 1992 19:51:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlq.sdd.hp.com

Tara says:
> On a recent Frugal Gourmet show I saw a bunch of cooked fruit recipes
> being made.  One used grapefruit.  He took brown sugar and packed it
> over the top of grapefruit halves, then baked it in the oven for a
> while (forgot the time and temp, sorry).  Very interesting looking
> results!
> -- 
> Tara McDermott                     You've got a friend in Pennsylvania,

When I was a kid, my mother made this great "side dish" by cutting a
grapefruit in half, sprinkling the top with brown sugar, putting a 
cherry in the middle and broiling it till the fruit is hot and the
sugar melted. Sounds odd but it's delicious. It's then eaten with a
serrated grapefruit spoon. Then try to talk your sister out of her
cherry...

Katherine Albitz
kra@sdd.hp.com
From: aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Taco Bell's products ...
Date: 3 Oct 1992 14:52:07 GMT
Organization: The Banzai Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar) writes:
: Taco Bell is my most favorite fast food joint. I was assuming that there
: vegetarian items don't have any animal products. Is that true? I am talking
: about tostadas, Mexican Pizza (without meat), Bean Burritos, and Hard Tacos
: (minus meat plus bean). Is there any lard or any other animal product in these?

The one product I do know of at Taco Bell is an additive they put in all
their products.  It's called flavor enhancer, or some such, and it is
somewhat similar to MSG.  I do know that this procut is in question right
now with the FDA for possible carcinogen levels.  This may be the reason
that I can't eat Taco Bell food anymore (since their corporate changeover a
number of years ago, the PepsiCo buy-out).

		      ____________________________________
			Steve J. White
			aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
			aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
			skeptic@large@9600bps
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From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Geese
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:15:02 GMT

This is not exactly vegetarian food, but it is one of the
great postings from Michael Traub. Especially valuable for
people in the process of giving up animal products.


Cold Comfort for Geese
----------------------

Beauty  Without  Cruelty (BWC) charity has launched a campaign to highlight
the  suffering  of  geese  that  are  live-plucked  for duvets and bedding.
Video  footage  of the process of live-plucking at a Hungarian factory farm
shows  the  terrified  birds  being  lifted by their necks, with their legs
tied,  and  then  having all their body feathers ripped out. The struggling
geese  sustain  injuries  and  after  their  ordeal are thrown back to join
their fellow victims until their turn comes round again.

This  torture,  which has been described as "extremely cruel" by veterinary
surgeons  and  even  geese  breeders,  begins when the geese are only eight
weeks  old.  It  is  then repeated at eight week intervals for two or three
more sessions.

The  main  countries  using  this  cruel  process  are  China,  Poland  and
Hungary,  where  some  60  per  cent  of down produced is live-plucked. The
down  market  in  the UK alone is worth around 2.6 million pounds per year.
According  to  the  BWC  campaign,  retailers stocking Hungarian goose down
duvets include John Lewis, Debenhams, Argos and Fenwicks.

[Reproduced from "The Vegetarian" October 1992]

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