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From: bbb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Frequency Alert
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:08:22 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan27.135156.25381@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, goza@norm.JSC.NASA.GOV (Mike Goza) writes:
> Is there a way to flood these guys with email?  Also can someone post
> a list of senators and representatives for the various areas.  How 
> about someone posting a form letter for everyone to send in?  Anything
> to make it easy to do will create more mail being sent in!  We need
> everyone behind this!!!!
> 
> 
> Mike Goza
> goza@cheers.jsc.nasa.gov

I just got a mailing from AMA this date.

It contained a sample letter that I used in writing mine.
I could post my letter I guess as a body to use.  It is
of course personalized.  I'm assuming all AMA members will 
receive what I got today.

As far as your congress-persons the letter says to call the
capitol switchboard and ask for the names and addresses.
The number is   202-224-3121.

I'm guess that the AMA tech department might also have this info.
That number is  703-435-0750.

As this AMA mailing says:
Include the ID# of the proposal:  PR Docket 92-235

Stress  MONEY and SAFETY.
Tell um howmuch you stand to lose if your equiment is rendered useless.
Tell um what a model out of control can do to people and property.

But What ever you do    TELL UM  something!

It will only take a few minutes of time and a $29 stamp.  Very
inexpensive insurance!

BB
From: cwc51@cas.org (Charles W. Collins)
Subject: Re: SchoolGirl -- My first RC plane
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Services
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:02:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.085438.7294@klaava.Helsinki.FI>,
linkosal@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tapio Linkosalo) writes:
|> > Hey! Sounds like a neat old airplane! How about scanning the plans
|> > or something? Perhaps someone might want to build a 2x replica...
|> 
|> Yeah! But why 2x? 1:1 would suit me!
|> 
|> >
|>
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|> ala
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|> 
|> -Tapio Linkosalo-


Unfortunately the plans have been cut up pretty badly.  I sectioned them so that
I could work on several portions of the plane as the same time.

I'll try to remember and look up the manufacturing company and send that out to
you.

Chuck 
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From: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole)
Subject: Goldberg Ultimate Recommendations
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:47:39 GMT
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Reply-To: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor

It looks my next plane will be a Goldberg Ultimate Biplane,
and was wondering what engines you might recommend.  The box 
states:

	 ".60-.90 2c or .90-1.20 4c"

What have you "netters" seen used on this plane and how was
the performance?  I'd like to go with a 4c but the cost may
be unreasonable to me.  Would an OS 61 BB be enough power?


thanks,

Mark.
Xref: sparky rec.models.rc:5748 misc.forsale:36403
From: menchett@dws010.unr.edu (Peter J Menchetti)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc,misc.forsale
Subject: Remote control Racing Car for sale!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:55:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.rc
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

Sorry if my last post was jumbled, blame it on the server!

I have a Losi Jrx-Pro SE for sale, with everything you'll ever need.

I will sell it for cheap, say $350. And that means EVERYTHING.
Tekin charger lists $70
Tekin Speed control $70
JRX PRO SE         $199
Futaba radio        $50
battery charger     $50
4 SCRs             $100 (at least)
6 stock motors     $100 (at least)
1 new mod           $30 (only run once)
tools               $??
parts galore        $?? (tons o' parts, complete trannys!)
-------------------------------------------------------------
                  ~$700

So as you can see, you'll be getting quite the deal at $350.

mail responses to menchett@cs.unr.edu
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From: hsharif@mot.com (Henry Sharifian)
Subject: How to fly a glider?
Organization: de
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:35:20 GMT


                       
        Hi,

        I have been involved with Powered RC planes for a couple of years
        now but recently built an electric glider (Spectra from Great Planes)
        and would like to get some pointers on flying a glider plane, type of
        weather (velocity of wind, ..etc.).
        Any information is appreciated, thanks in advance.

       
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From: fayne@tellabs.com (Jeffrey Fayne)
Subject: Re: Goldberg Ultimate Recommendations
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle, IL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:17:52 GMT

In article <C1Fo44.1uv4@austin.ibm.com> root@austin.ibm.com () writes:

[original posting regarding .61 in CG Ultimate deleted]
>
>From what I've seen of the Goldberg Ultimate, it looks like most of the
>'stronger' .61's (Y.S., OS SF, SuperTiger) will fly the airplane, but
>if you want PERFORMANCE (i.e., pattern-capable), then a 1.20 4C is a 
>must.  I'd go with the Y.S. 120 (the A/R is a brute, but the 'normal'

I don't own an Ultimate [yet  :)  ], but I've seen several at our field
and I must agree that a .61 will fly it, but a 1.20 4C will take it
vertical on takeoff.

One of the nice things about living in Chicago is that once and awhile
Dave Patrick (VP Goldberg models) will give a talk at our club and bring
along one of his latest creations. When the Ultimate first came out
he brought it along and one of the questions was: Will a .61 fly it?
His response was: Yes, in fact his initial testing was performed using
a K&B .65 Sportster (I guess a sort of lowest-common-denominator
type test). He did mention that for the type of performance you would
expect out of the Ultimate, you should use a 1.20 4C.

				- Jeff


BTW: Dave will be at our club meeting next month. Don't know what he
     is bringing along this time. Date is Feb 16 @ 7:30 p.m. at the
     Downers Grove, Il. VFW on Belmont Ave. Stop in if your in the area.
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From: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Connecting pushrods to servos
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:35:00 GMT
Reply-To: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com
Organization: .................


In article 21125@dcdwest.uucp, plb@dcdwest.uucp (Phil Blais) writes:
>In article <96800@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>>
>>In article F7M@csn.org, eeak@teal.csn.org (Ed Krejcik) writes:
>>>Another from my list of questions:
>>I prefer to use adjustable clevises on both ends of a pushrod. 
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^
>
>I assume you use a lock nut on atleast one end to prevent the pushrod
>from lengthening or shortening due to vibration? Not a flame, just wanna
>be sure the neophytes don't get the wrong impression.

Yes I use at least one locknut. 

However, a pushrod doesn't get shorter if it rotates with a clevis on each end.
Since both ends have the same thread (right or left hand), as one clevis screws
on the other one screws off at the same rate.

I wish it would work like a turnbuckle, that way you could adjust a pushrod length
without disconnecting one of the clevises.  Anybody make 2-56 rod with a left
hand thread? I've never seen it.
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: REPOST:Frequency Alert
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:58:58 GMT

If you are an AMA member you will have received a mailing from them 
regarding this. THIS ISN'T FAKE! ITS REAL! Do as it says, write to 
your congressman/woman ASAP.



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From: jahr@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Steve Jahr)
Subject: Re: Tachometers 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:16:59 GMT
Organization: Old Programmers Home
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

Iskandar Taib (ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: In article <727805456snz@harrier.demon.co.uk> bob@harrier.demon.co.uk writes:
: >
: >>Actually, regarding calibrating to an electric light wouldn't that be
: >>1800 rpm for a two blade prop or 1200 for a three blader?
: >>
: >>Also, you would need a fluorescent light or some other light that
: >>flickers more than an incandescent light.
: >>
: >>Just a thought...
: >
: >>Wrrooonnngggggggg... An incandescant lamp running on 50 Hz mains actually
: >flashes 100 times/sec. The sine-wave goes both posative and negative peaks
: >in ecah cycle, ie 100 flashes/sec. Multilpy by 60, gives 6000 flashes per
: >minute.. So on the two blade setting it should read 300 ( 3000rpm ) and on 
: >three blade 200...
: >
: >I guess your side of the pond where you run at 60Hz it would read 360 and 240.
: >
: >I'm not an expert on flourescant lights, (or much else really) :-) but they
: >run via some really high voltage gizmo which makes the gas in the tube 
: >flouresce constantly....
: 
: Hmmm
: 
: I think this is backwards. The filament of an incandescent lamp 
: doesn't have enough time to cool down enough between cycles, so
: it should glow steadily. A fluorescent lamp, however, relies on
: the flow of electrons through a mercury vapor through the tube,
: and this can respond faster to the cycles of AC. 
: 
: Whether they flash 60x per second or 120x per second I don't know.

Ok... I've got one and I've tried it.  In TFM the calibration mode is
claimed to work on incandescent lights.  But it works on both types equally
well.  The way I figure, it is a pretty sensitive bugger.  But then
I suppose it has to be to "see" the prop without any backlighting or
anything.

Steve Jahr
jahr@hprnd.rose.hp.com 

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From: vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vance Kochenderfer)
Subject: Re: Frequency Alert, and a sample letter
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 22:48:50 GMT

In article <30621@optima.cs.arizona.edu> sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.135156.25381@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> goza@norm.JSC.NASA.GOV (Mike Goza) writes:
>>Is there a way to flood these guys with email?  Also can someone post
>>a list of senators and representatives for the various areas.
>
>Email is singularly ineffective as a lobbying weapon. We have to use
>physical mail. And if you don't know the names of your senators and
>representative, fie! Call the local Republican or Democratic party
>headquarters, or the League of Women Voters.
>
>>  How about someone posting a form letter for everyone to send in?

Form letters tend to get ignored.  It's better to write an original letter
to show that you are an "actual person" rather than just a "member of an
organization."  Phone calls can be very effective, so can faxes.

Vance Kochenderfer
Virginia Tech             |   "You want to get ahold of Mrs. Potter? I don't
vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu    |    know, she's awfully ticklish.." -Groucho Marx
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From: D2KAK@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Re: Connecting pushrods to servos
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:37:25 GMT

I must agree with other opinions expressed in this thread. First choice for
one end of the push rod is Z-bends (neat, strong, easy, etc.). On the other
end I use a threaded rod and quick link with lock nut. An alternative is to
use threaded couplers SILVER SOLDERED to a rod with quick link. Bob Viollett
has some nifty steel solder couplers for an outrageous price. Or you can use
DuBro brass solder couplers. Roughen up the music wire where you plan to
solder (I file small grooves in the wire), and clean the wire with acetone or
flux.
     I would recommend against using EZ connectors despite the large number
of modelers getting away with it. Ask yourself this question; Would you
want to fly in a real airplane where the connections depended on one set screw
and a plastic washer to keep the control surfaces functioning?
 
Kraig Krumm
AMA 59622
Canton, OH
 
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From: cobra@gribb.hsr.no (Berg, Pl Steinar      7-95)
Subject: Re: Best first RC gas car
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:53:31 GMT

In article <C15rs1.BxA@ulowell.ulowell.edu> djohnson@cs.ulowell.edu (Daniel T. Johnson) writes:
>From: djohnson@cs.ulowell.edu (Daniel T. Johnson)
>Subject: Best first RC gas car
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:16:49 GMT


>What do you people think would be a good first gas car?

>-- 
>Daniel T. Johnson

>-------------------------------------------------
>Problems make life interesting and fun


I think that a 1/10 scale gascar like the kyosho Rampage or something like 
that would be a good first car.

Paal
From: Joel.Jacobs@f400.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Joel Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Building Board
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 20:34:44 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/400 - Short Circuits, Pickerington OH

I use a hollow core door with 1/4" plate glass on top. You don't need pins,
just glue the wood directly to the glass with CA and when your finnished
just "pop" it off!

Joel

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Subject: Re: Vacuum bagging
From: SRINGROS@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:00:24 PST
 <19930122102151.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu> <19930122131342.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu> <C1CGLF.BLB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

>The idea is to use air pressure to squeeze as much resin out of the
>fiberglass layer on the styrofoam wing core as possible - this forces
>the glass fibers together and results in a lighter stronger wing. The
>
Actually Iskander, the reason for bagging wings is not to squeeze the resin
and force fibres together.  Wings are bageed to produce a perfect, constant
(no dips between ribs, no balsa sheet joints) airfoil across the entire wing.
It is an added benefit that the layers (carbon, kevlar, whatever) are forced
together and any extra resin is squeezed (squoze?) into the breather felt.
 
Scott
 
Scott Ringrose
Printing and Presentation Services
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From: linkosal@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tapio Linkosalo)
Subject: Re: My plane has fallen and it can't get up!
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:14:56 GMT

Stephen Eldredge ($stevee@sasb.byu.edu) wrote:
> control surfaces need to be less.  One suggestion that I might offer is hand 
> launching without power is a straigh glide with the controls centered.  Once 
> you have a little confidence that your glide is correct and true with no 
> input, try elevator and then rudder *slightly* to assertain their effect.  

But then again, without power the controls may be very unsensitive. I have
a .049 Middle Stick, that loops and rolls quite easily under power. But
when engine quits, I can pull the stick all up, and the model just floats
to the ground. To have some aileron authority I must let it glide a little
faster, though.

Very little control movement is needed in these small planes, I'd say
+-2mm:s for elevator to start with. And if your model looped (Matthew, that
is), check that you have enough downthrust in the engine. It may well have
been the strong headwind, causing the plane to fly over it's normal flying
speed, that made it loop. Next time, be prepared to push the stick some
after launch. Or maybe you could have some friend to throw the model, so
that you can consentrate on steering?

-Tapio Linkosalo-
From: jchristi@zeus.calpoly.edu (James Bruce Christian)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Who knows the slopegliders STRYKER  SHOGUN ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:39:25 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1jp8gvINNnsd@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "Kai Daumiller" <UB5U@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:
>I am thinking about buying a small slopeglider.
>At a show I have seen two kits (I don't know the manufacturer):
>Stryker (a bit like a fighter) and Shogun (very futuristic),
>both with styro/balsa wings and plastic fuselage.
>At the show they claimed that the fuselage is indestructible.
>Who has knows about them, has flown them and so on...
>
>Kai
>
>

    A friend of mine recently purchased the Shogun from Hobby Shack.  It is
a nice little kit but it is very VERY small.  Mini servos are almost a must
as well as a mini receiver pack.  The plane is not light for it's size so a
brisk wind is also a must.  This is NOT a beginner aircraft.  It will take
a few good knocks but I can see that it would not be a fun plane to learn
on.

Best Wishes,

James Christian
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From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Futaba 9301 Servos
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:56:11 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

Anyone know the facts on Futaba servos?  I just bought some 
9301 servos which are listed as "surface type" in the Futaba 
brochure.  They have the identical dimensions and torque to 
the 9201 servos (airplane).  Is there any difference in these 
servos?  I plan to use the 9301 servos in a plane. I was told 
by a R/C car enthusiast that the only difference is the 9301 
is waterproof.  Any other differences that would make them 
a poor choice for a plane?
From: ed@kronos.com (Ed Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Dead battery?
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:09:57 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.



You have a dead cell in the transmitter pack.  There are eight cells, each
rated at 1.2 volts.  Determine the dead cell by exposing the batteries, and
using a volt meter to test each one.

It may be possible to restore the dead cell by building a custom circuit.
I don't have a copy of the circuit, but it was posted here a good while ago.
Did anyone build the circuit and restore a dead battery?


What size soldering irod does one need to remove and replace a dead cell in
a Futaba transmitter pack?
From: earl@trsvax.tandy.com
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Connecting servo cable to rudder
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:33:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cas.org:983:trsvax:1195667336:000:1525
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!earl    Jan 27 08:33:00 1993



/* ---------- "Connecting servo cable to rudder" ---------- */
What is the best method for connecting a rudder that is on an angle (about 20
degrees)?  There is upward swing produced at the connection point as the rudder
moves back and forth.
Thanks!
Chuck
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     A good method is to use one of the bolt on ball joint clevis connectors.
 There are several types to choose from. With the ball joint, the pushrod
 connector can move more freely, as the control horn pivots up and down
 slightly.  I do highly recommend that you use a little bit of locktite
 on the screws or nuts though.


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<This information is provided by an individual and is not nor should be
 construed  as  being  provided  by  Radio  Shack or Tandy Corp.  Radio
 Shack/Tandy Corp has no obligation to support the information provided
 in  any way. > 
						
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						@ <earl@trsvax>


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From: hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu (Brent Hutto)
Subject: Re: Transmitter/Receiver Mods
Reply-To: hutto@smtc.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:44:12 GMT

In article <96797@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46) writes:
>
>In article 3zr@inews.Intel.COM, dbraun@cad636.intel.com (Doug Braun ) writes:
>>
>>--
>>
>>I have a 4-channel Futaba FM system, and I was thinking of getting
>>a plane (Sig Samuri glider) that needs elevon mixing.
>>
>>Does anyone make a little black box that goes in the plane
>>to do the mixing electronically? 
>
>ACE makes a little box called a Cristy mixer that will do elevon mixing. I think
>it costs about 20 or 30 bucks.

    ...and it reduces the available throw on each servo by 50%.
-------------------------------
Brent Hutto
hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
From: rael@carson.u.washington.edu (Russ Light)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Airtronics Infinity 600, 660, and Vision
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:14:23 GMT
Expires: 2/28/93
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I am having trouble picking out a radio for a Airtronics Legend sailplane.
A friend bought a Infinity 600 for his new multichannel sailplane but was
disappointed with limitations in the mixing options. He really wanted a 
Visions radio but was unable to find one.  Tower said they waited until 
they received a certain amount of orders for this radio before actually
placing an order with the Airtronics distributor.  The 660 came out after
he bought the 600.  Does anyone know the difference between these two 
radios.  Is the Visions still hard to obtain?

I would also be interested in anyone who has had experience with the Legend.
My plane is about 90% done.  The wing servos recommended are the new ones
from Airtronics (I forget number at this writing).  These are expensive and
I don't see any mail order house offering them with a package radio. Any
advice? Thanks ahead of time.
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