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From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: product recommendation (multicolor rubber reins)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:10:34 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

In article <1gagqjINNj23@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>The one thing I can't figure out is why they only make them in horse length,
>rather than in a shortened pony length, since so many beginners are kids on
>little ponies.  Dumb.  I bought them for my daughter, to discover she was
>practically holding the leather, with all the colored rubber out behind her,
>on her itty bitty shetland.  I sent 'em back.  But it's a spiffy idea.

The Lancer's one's are fairly inexpensive.  You could probably have
them shortened at the stud end fairly cheaply by your favorite repair
place!

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horsey Hams
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:37:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hi Horsey Hams-
   
   Well, another dead band night.  It CAN'T last forever!  I did hear
someone try to come back to me, but they faded before I could get more
than "K".  Let's try again next week, same time, same channel.  We will
eventually make a net out of this!  And I encourage you all to get on
the air if you can't hear me after a few minutes, perhaps propagation
patterns will permit you to hear another Horsey Ham elsewhere and you
can at least talk.  Last night I was calling on 14.275, there was an
active conversation on .270.  I am NOT ready to throw in the towel yet,
as it would just be so fun to talk to some of you!  I'll repost the time
and frequency again next week. Until then....

					Teresa (N7KTG)
					and the Horses Ari, Leo, and Razz
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Performance Video Suggestions - Memorable Rides
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:00:04 GMT

In article <5985@rosie.NeXT.COM> llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:

>
>We're an event community, so I'm looking for world-class event footage in  
>addition to spectacular dressage - anyone ever seen the Martzog/Alherich (sp  
>for both?) pas de deux?  
>

I believe that was on a video of the world equestrian games in Stockholm
last year(?). It could certainly be placed in the class of spectacular
dressage, I highly recommend it to anyone who is into dressage.


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tara@wam.umd.edu (just me)
Subject: Re: Appaloosa Question
Followup-To: tara@wam.umd.edu <Tara>
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:25:47 GMT

{too much stuff involved to include the previous discussion}  :)

One of the apps that i take care of/ride, Casey, keeps the same 
coat/spots every season.  She actually has a very white coat (very
fine in colour) and her spots are freckles on her skin!  They cover
from her rump, extend in a blanket and run down her back legs.  :)
All of our other apps (Darla, Quaker, Classy) have spots as the colour
of their coat (as opposed to casey).  Classy actually looks like a
palimino in the winter and spots out in the summer.


             ,--, | University of Maryland Equestrian Association 
       _ ___/ /\| |
   ,;`( )__, )  ~ | Horses: Quaker, Bud, Playboy, Tommy, Casey, Darla
  //  //   '--;   | 	    Nehi, Classy, Dee, Vern
  '   \     |     | 
tara@wam.umd.edu  |
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Okay: 3rd time's a charm...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:59:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

In article <921216133306@desire.ftp.com> fks@ftp.com writes:
>There is one horse I ride that I would hate if I never rode her bareback. She
>is bitchy and unpredictable, hates the geldings, and is afraid of the corner.
>The only times she is pleasant to ride are when we do jumps (she loves
>jumping!) and when I ride her bareback. Bareback, she becomes relaxed and 
>easy, her gaits smooth out, she pays attention to me (instead of the other
>horses and the scarey trees), and she stops rushing. Her canter is a dream.
>When I've had a bad time on her, I try to end with a little bareback work 
>so I like her again.

Assuming that there is no saddle fit problem, I wonder if she isn't 
picking up on tension in her rider?

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Hage for Horses - More Info Request
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:31:29 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hi Again-
   I got a LOT of email about the Hage.  Here's the address of the company 
again, in case it was missed the first time. 

				The Great Hage Texas, Inc.
				Sales & Marketing Division
				904 Sidney Baker St.
				PO BOX 33128
				Kerrville, Texas 78028
				(512)895-2232

In answer to some specific questions-
   Cost: Here in Tucson it is 9.50 per bag individually.  The bags weigh 65 lbs
each.  If you buy a ton or a half ton it is 8.50 per bag.  And they deliver it
and put it out where you want it! (LOVE that!)  In other areas I expect it to
be more or less, depending on shipping charges and dealer costs. Mine is bought
through a dealer.  I would expect people near Kerrville to be able to get it
cheap!
  Compared to hay: Depends on how much your hay costs.  I use a little less than
a bag a week per horse.  Right now I'm buying it in small quantities, so it's
$38 per horse per month. (I also feed a small flake of hay for chew value, and
a pound and a half of complete pellets for vitamins, per meal, so I think I'm
spending about 50-60 a month on feed per critter). Though at this point I may
have to cut down, Ari is getting fat!  
   Energy level: According to the ads, it has the same energy level as grains
without making the horse hot.  Ari has been playing and bucking in the arena,
but is still easy to handle. (Though's difficult to tell with him, he's SO
laid back. Love that Andalusian temperament!!) His coat, when the mud is
scraped off, DOES seem to be getting silkier!
  I hope this helps.  Any more specific questions, just ask!

				Teresa, husband, horses, and cats
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: buckaroo@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Mikey Moran)
Subject: Re: Book Wanted
Organization: Quake Public Access
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163945.917@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade) writes:
>Does anyone know a US source for the book Conditioning Sport
>Horses by Hilary Clayton. I would like to phone in an order and 
>pay by VISA.  The book is published by Sport Horse Pubns in 
>Saskatoon, Canada, and I'm afraid I won't be able to get it from
>them in time for Christmas.  I am also interested in sources of
>heart monitors for horses.  THANKS IN ADVANCE
>
>--
>Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu
>804-924-7409
------------------------------------------
Conditioning Sport Horses by Hilary Clayton, BVMS, PhD, MRCVS
is available from Equine Research, Inc. 1-800-848-0225
item # 969 , $39.95.

A good book for beginning horse people, that makes a nice
gift is "Horses Seldom Burp" by Don Blazer.  ($12.95)
Not a complete book, but a humorous book, that is
educational, enjoyable, never stuffy. If your local book store
doesn't have it -- try Centaur Forge 1-800-666-9175

Best Regards,
Mikey
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade)
Subject: 1993
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:51:10 GMT

1993 will be a year of change.  But what changes will we
equestrians see?  Will 1993 be the year for
1. The K-Tel mane braiding machine?
2. A Lazy-Boy saddle?
3. The halter with an electronic fly repellant?
4. Evian water for horses?
5. Spandex leg stockings and tail wraps for horses?
6. A new type of polo with a fence across the field
   requiring the horses to jump?
7. a 900# for training questions?
8. Musical Kur to rap music?
9. Madonna Lady Godiva photo book?
10.A Nordic excercise machine simulating a posting trot?
11.A TV soap opera centered around a hunter barn (or a
   hunt club)?
12.NFL Superstars competing on horseback?


Did I leave anything out?
--
Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu
804-924-7409

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kcarver@dante.nmsu.edu (Kenneth Carver)
Subject: Re: Extended trail ride questions.
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:58:32 GMT

In article <Bish.00ki@xanodria.UUCP> Bish@xanodria.UUCP (Doug Bischoff) writes:
>    Hello all.	More questions.
>
>    When I was getting fairly good at staying on the horse at all gaits, I
>suggested to my friend that we take the horses out overnight or perhaps over
>a weekend and make it a camping trip.  She's a VERY outdoors-y person, so I
>was very surprised when she VEHEMENTLY refused.  Her reasoning was that we'd
>have to carry food AND water for the horses as well as ourselves.
>
To assure a carefree and enjoyable outing, PLAN AHEAD.  If you're not
thoroughly familiar with the area in which you'll be riding, get
yourself topographic maps.  Know exactly where your water sources are
and their safety.  Carry most or all your food with you, but have
someone meet you each evening with feed.  Roll your gear up in your
sleeping bag and cover it with a plastic trash bag (bring a spare).
Figure out how best to tie this on your saddle and go out riding for a
day with it.  After it comes loose a few times, you'll get the hang of
it.  Plan your campsites ahead of time.  Keep someone informed of your
itinerary and carry a cb radio or cellular phone just in case.
Consider taking an unflappable horse as a pack animal.  Besides
lightening the load on your riding horses, there is something very
appealing about traveling with a packhorse.  A western saddle can
substitute for a pack saddle, just use ingenuity.  Keep your pack and
saddle bags well-balanced.  Caution: this kind of riding can be
habit-forming.  :)

--Ken Carver
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Good grief, spurs, not stirrups!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 09:06:15 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com


Nota Bene.  The rule book for combined training and dressage also
stipulate that the spur's shank must be worn pointed down.  Wear
'em up and you'll be disqualified.  Don't know what the western
sections say....

Adrienne Regard
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Carlyle Morgans
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:35:21 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1gjotcINN2a9@nigel.msen.com>, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
> Linda B. Merims (lbm@avs.com) wrote:
> : Did any of you Morgan folks out on the net read your December
> : "The Morgan Horse", particularly the yellow sales supplement
> : article from the AMHA board of directors on what happened to
> : Maxine Snow?  I'd love to hear your thoughts.
> 
> : What a dilemna for the breed--in the SAME issue:
> 
> : 1992 World (sic) Champion In Hand Mare:
> :        Carlyle Cwhateverhernameis  (Fiddler's Trustee x Senora Showbiz Vona)
> 
> : Maxine Snow of Carlyle Morgans expelled from AMHA membership over
> :   not cooperating with the AMHA Directors in establishing the identity
> :   of the Morgan mare Senora Showbiz Vona
> 
> : So it appears a fair bet that the '92 Champion Morgan In Hand mare
> : is suspected of being only half Morgan.
> 
> : Linda B. Merims
> 
> That's what'll happen when people can't nbe satisfied with the wonderful
> qualities of the breed that they have.  Too bad.  I love Morgans, and I
> think that if you want a small Saddlebred, you should buy a small Saddlebred.
> (I like Saddlebreds too, so that wasn't a slam.)
> 
> Karen

I know exactly what you mean.  I was visiting the woman who is leasing
our old gelding and she was showing me her Morgan gelding.  I'm glad she
told me it was a Morgan right up front, otherwise I would have stuck my
foot in it and said, "What a nice looking Saddlebred!"  
The horse really does look Saddlebred, has the upright neck and is lean
looking.  Doesn't look anything like I think a Morgan should look.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arab Filly for Sale in Georgia
From: kudra@hubcap.clemson.edu (sallie j kudra)
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:25:37 +1700

Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 15:53:55 GMT

I am posting this for a friend: 

 (She has the full brother to this filly and he's gorgeous and at 19 months is
  a good 15 hands)

Aramis granddaughter
Bay
5 months old
$500
Located in Dawsonville, Ga.

If interested respond to ALTMAN@CLEMSON.BITNET or just reply to me and I'll
pass information along. 


Sallie Kudra


You can wait til morning comes              | Sallie Kudra     
You can wait for the new day                | Information Systems Development 
You can wait & lose this heart              | Clemson University, Clemson SC 
You can wait & soon be sorry - Tracy Chapman| kudra@hubcap.clemson.edu
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: Hay Cubes anyone?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:15:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Dec16.225337.18505@sco.com> kristinr@sco.COM (Kristin Robinson) writes:
>Does anyone out there feed hay cubes?  What is your experience with them,
>pluses and minuses?  

	I fed hay cubes for one short period to my first horse and
I was very displeased with them.  They often had pebble size rocks
in the middle of the cube that a horse could damage a tooth on.
Also I did not feel that I should be paying for rocks!  Additionally
I don't believe the hay quality used to make the cubes was as
good as that which I fed myself, or even that of pellets which at
least had a guaranteed analysis.  I found the cubes to be terribly
dry and can see why they would contribute to colic and choke if the
horse either did not chew well enough or did not drink enough water.
Needless to say I switched back to pellets.  Now I prefer to feed
hay rather than pellets because of the horse's need to have something
digesting in its stomach most of the time and something to chew to
prevent boredom.
	Finally there have been several known episodes of contamination
of cubes due to the way they are processed.  The worst episode killed
quite a number of fine horses with botulism poisoning due to a dead
rodent getting into the processor with the hay when they made the
cubes.  Baling of dead rodents (and one time a snake) happens frequently with 
hay, however the horse will generally refuse to eat the rodent :-), nor does 
it get chopped up and mixed in with hay the way it does with the cubing 
process.  I believe pellets are processed with heat in such a way that 
contamination via botulism or salmonella is less likely.  Episodes of 
pellet contamination have happened when the equipment has been used to process 
cattle feed in addition to horse feed, because of the antibiotics they feed 
to cattle which are toxic to horses, but most horse pellet manufacturers now 
use dedicated equipment to prevent that problem.
	If you have the space and can find it feed a good quality hay, if
you can't then go to either pellets or the ChaffHage which Teresa posted
about, or a combination.

				Tracy and everybody
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Which way [spurs?]?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:38:38 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Linda B. Merims (lbm@avs.com) wrote:
: I've never used spurs, but I recall that there was a very rigid
: protocol about when you could and couldn't properly use them
: in a show.  These were saddleseat rules, but I believe something
: similar applied to all junior my hunt seat friends.  It went something
: like this:

: Equitation:  whips OK, spurs absolutely forbidden

: Pleasure:  both whips and spurs verbotten

: It was only in pure performance classes that spurs were allowed.

: By the way, I've always heard "down" as well.

: Linda Merims

Down is correct if the spurs have a direction, some are level.  Swan neck
spurs are the exception.  They are designed to let someone with a long leg
use a spur on a smaller horse without having to draw the leg up.  You can
usually see a pair in the Spanish riding school.  

Unless things have changed in the past couple of years, huntseat riders are
always allowed to wear spurs.  Most younger/beginner riders don't  because
1) they don't have the control 2) if your leg swings that glinting metal
sure calls attention to it.  I have known some good short stirrup riders
to wear tom thumb (1/4 inch) spurs.  

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Carlyle Morgans
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:51:44 GMT

Hi Linda,

Was that the item that included a note that they came to the farm to
inspect the animal and she was never "available"?

I don't know any more that I read in the article, but I find it shocking!
It would be interesting to see a follow up of what actually happened if
anyone ever finds out.

Do you think this could be an instance of trying to infuse Saddlebred
blood to get the longer taller look? I should look at my magazines and
see if she had that look. Didn't she (the horse) die, mysteriously?

Sad state of affairs!
Diane, Spring & Dancer

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Subject: Carlyle Morgans
>From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:28:49 GMT
>Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu
>Lines: 22

>Did any of you Morgan folks out on the net read your December
>"The Morgan Horse", particularly the yellow sales supplement
>article from the AMHA board of directors on what happened to
>Maxine Snow?  I'd love to hear your thoughts.

>What a dilemna for the breed--in the SAME issue:

>1992 World (sic) Champion In Hand Mare:
       Carlyle Cwhateverhernameis  (Fiddler's Trustee x Senora Showbiz Vona)

>Maxine Snow of Carlyle Morgans expelled from AMHA membership over
>  not cooperating with the AMHA Directors in establishing the identity
>  of the Morgan mare Senora Showbiz Vona

>So it appears a fair bet that the '92 Champion Morgan In Hand mare
>is suspected of being only half Morgan.

>Linda B. Merims
From: marchant@bodega.Berkeley.EDU (Will Marchant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: stables in the Bay Area?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:59:04 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: CEA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bodega.cea.berkeley.edu

I know of two places in the East Bay area.

Grizzly Peak Stables has started doing trail ride lessons. They used to just
do arena (western and english) lessons. Years ago they had to cancel their
trail riding because the insurance was so high. Twice a week (last I heard)
they would do a lesson in trail riding out in Tilden park (a lovely place). 
The prices showed using your own horse OR using a stable horse. We used to
keep our horses there years ago (about 5 years). Grizzly Peak Stables is in
the hills above Berkeley, CA just South of the Steam Trains ride. Call GPS
at (510) 254-8283.

Another place is called D&F Pack Station (510) 946-1475. They do guided
horses rides on Mt Diablo. I've riden in that area before (but never with them)
and it's pretty.

The usual disclaimers apply to this posting.
-- 

Will Marchant                   Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics
marchant@cea.berkeley.edu       University of California
KC6ROL@WA6HAM.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA  2150 Kittredge St., Berkeley, CA 94720 USA
From: stebbins@watson.bms.com (GAYE STEBBINS)
Subject: hard keeper
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:46:00 GMT

Hi-

I too have a hard keeper and have found a super high quality hay (western 
alfalfa) that will put the weight on.  Since it is high quality, the protein 
content is high too (18%), (I know you requested low protein feedstuffs) but 
since it is hay, and hay is a cool feedstuff, you may be able to use it 
without a problem.  The largest problem you might have is obtaining it.  I get 
it from a supplier who sells to the tracks in the area and the track barns.  
It is grown in the western US and sent by rail to the east.  It is usually 
sent in large bails that weigh about 170 lb. I have used it for years now and 
have found it to be superior in quality, palitability, and nutrition to any 
hay I have ever seen.  Since it is so rich, you need to be careful how it is 
fed to avoid colic.  Also, if you could increase the turn out time your horse 
has you may find she will be more calm.  For putting weight on, you can't beat 
it!

-Good luck!
Gaye Stebbins (Nicholas and Ivana)
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: No thanks.
Date: 13 Dec 1992 17:19:47 -0500
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

I don't know how your system works, but on UNIX, you have to
unsubscribe yourself, by typing 'u' when rec.equestrian comes up.

-Sarah Pallas
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade)
Subject: Re:Book Wanted and Heart Monitor
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:17:20 GMT

Thanks for the suggestions for finding Hilary Clayton's Conditioning
Sport Horses. On the day I posted this request, I got in the mail
the latest catalog from Robin Bledsoe, Bookseller, and there was
Clayton's book. Price was $29.95. Phone is 617-576-3634. Address is 
1640 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 01238. There are a lot
of other excellent books listed in the catalog. Send e-mail if you
want me to check a title.  Also got a late breaking phone call
that the book is available from Equine Research Inc.Phone 800-
848-0225  #969 in the catalog. Thanks M. Moran.
Heart monitor that I found is available from Roger Rittenhouse
of Equine Performance Technology, RD 1 Box 33, Seven Valleys, PA
17360. Phone 717-229-2221. He uses the Polar monitor and adds 
other features for his VMAX line. The three monitors he described
are the basic one which fits on the girth with a watch that displays
the heart rate.  The Enduro II model does the same, except that 
the watch also tells time and has an alarm you can set with a high
and a low reading. The Enduro Deluxe records the heart rates which
you can review later and even transcribe or with the purchase of
an adapter box, you can read the results into a computer. Oh yes,
prices are $195, $265, and $350, respectively.  A second source
is POLAR USA, Inc. 470 West Ave. Stamford, CT. Phone 516-484-2400.
Rittenhouse claims they refer most people back to him.
This completes my Christmas shopping. Hope this helps others.

--
Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu
804-924-7409