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From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: Travel Award for sale
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Keywords: FFP, UA Mileage Plus
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:44:33 GMT

In article <2924@tansei1.tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp> hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KANNO Hideo) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.042101.29703@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (KANNO Hideo) wrote: 
>>->If someone do so, then it's not only a blackmarket, 
>>->but it's in a official network.  
>
>>you seem to have confused USENET with an "official network."  USENET
>>doesn't exist, except on paper and in the minds of a few thousand
>>people on this planet.
>
>OK, 
>Of course, I know it. It's the same to "fj"(one of Japanese news network).
>I regret I heve mistaken to use this word "official".
>
>Anyway I can't agree with selling FFP awards on rec.travel.air.
>
>--
>            _      .---    KANNO HIDEO     kanno@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp 
>  _________/ |__--'@/      Dept. of Biophysics & Biochemistry, Univ. of Tokyo
> (__PAN AM/__|__===-~      3-1, Hongo 7-chome, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113, JAPAN 
>                           (JALNET: JAL13073, NIFTY-Serve: GFC00670)

The real situation in US is:

  A lot of people sell awards and a lot of people buy and use awards.

And I believe that the airlines won't check how people get it.
The reason is pretty simple that the airlines companies' purpose is to earn
more money.  If they check the award and assert that is sold then refuse 
anybody to take the plane at the boarding gate.  The result is that they could
lose two customers at one time.  The one who sold it and the one who buy it.
The airlines companies won't let that happens.  I'm sorry that I don't know
the situation in Japan.

Timothy

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Aug29.222620.17350@panix.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:12:05 GMT

Peter> == Peter Kapner <pkap@panix.com> 

 Peter> Portable computers have also been banned by many airlines though
 Peter> there are some which allow their use.

Which airlines have banned them? I've personally used a Macintosh
PowerBook 170 on a few different airlines (Delta and Northwest that I
can remember recently, and some more before that and not as recently),
and people from the office have used Powerbooks on American,
Continental, and TWA. The Powerbooks (unless used with external mouse)
meet strict FCC regulations, and I have been ready to point this out to
anyone who gives me a hassle (no one has). 

--Helen


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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Flying a dog from Japan to USA.  Comments?
Keywords: Dog, flying, how-to
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:11:12 GMT

sienko@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Tanya Sienko) wrote: 
->I find that I may have to transport a medium sized puppy (about six months 
->old) from Japan to the USA.  Does anyone have any suggestions or comments
->on the best way to go about this to minimize the trauma to the pup?  Thanks.

first: call the us customs office at the airport where you plan on
importing your pet and find out what the rules are ... it probably
won't be as easy as you think (us customs has never been known to be
cooperative).

then: call the airline you plan on flying on with your pet ... they
will also have some things to say (like whether or not they'll
consider flying a pet that young and what you should do).  call your
travel agent, too; travel agents probably have some experience for
people who travel with their pets.

also: call your veterinarian and get some advice.

finally: be aware that flying your pet is an event which is very
uncomfortable for your pet ... and that there have been recent events
where pets have not done very well aboard aircraft.

good luck ... you'll need it.

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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: CFD: rec.travel.air.forsale
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:52:23 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Isn't everyone else *sick* of these for-sale posts?  They take up darn
near 75% of the traffic.  Ugh!

The NY Times reports this morning that the TWA talks seem to be a done deal.

/jordan
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pas@marietta.cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Re: United Free Ticket Promotion
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.231941.6123@dsg.tandem.com>, narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Even better, fly the 25 roundtrips the same day (one at a time, of course) and  
|> |> get the California-Plus bonuses: 1,000 miles for each same-day roundtrip plus  
|> |> free california flights for each 7 roundtrips. You will get 50,000 miles  
|> |> (another two domestic tickets and change). Plus you will become a premier  
|> |> member which would entitle you to even more perks.
|> |
|> That is not possible, since I remember that they have this saturday night stay
|> required thing on these tickets (in order to get credit). 
|> pankaj

Are you sure?  There are less than 25 saturdays left before December 18.
I don't think United would be encouraging travellers to get back-to-back
tickets.  They usually frown upon this.

Paulo Santos
From: esr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Edwin S. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Things to make flying more comforta
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:19:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.085515.9968@actrix.gen.nz>  
Graeme.Hart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
> You should fly Air New Zealand, they always have enought blankets and
> pillows.  When you get on the plane, there is one on every seat (except
> the one time they stuffed up and didn't have any clean blankets !! :).

That has been my experience with trans-Atlantic flights on Delta too.
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Incompetent travel agent
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:29:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep01.213243.8148@microsoft.com> bruceb@microsoft.com (Bruce Burger) writes:
>
>
>However, sometimes your credit card issuer will go to bat on your behalf.  
>

I recently had a dispute with a furniture company - they went into Chapter
11 holding a large deposit billed to our VISA.  I learned from my 
brother, the bankruptcy attorney, that credit card companies will often
go to significant lengths in your behalf.  The better customer you are
(we are *very* good customers :-), the more they'll bat for you.

It's not generally known, but within 60 days from the original billing
date, you can *demand* a credit from VISA (or whomever) - even if you
have already paid the bill.  The credit card company's willingness to 
go beyond the 60 days goes back to a function of how much they like you.

In our particular situation, even though we were comfortably beyond the
60 days, they put a temporary credit on our VISA bill, and started 
investigating.  We managed to work a deal with the company that put
furniture in our living room, but I have the impression that had we not
been able to do that, we might well have gotten our money back from VISA.

Note: Ignore the phone.  Write letters.  Lots of them.  Copy everybody
in sight and keep copies for yourself.  Nothing terrifies recalcitrant
companies like a paper trail.  With the advent of fax machines, you can
get the permanence of a letter and the speed of a phone call.  Our 
fax machine at work produces a paper log of every fax it sends -
ecologically unsound, but it makes great documentation.  

Regards, Lee
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: [?] about Frequent Flyers Program..
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:38:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Suggest reading consumer unions travel letter at local library. They
evaluated FFPs last year, and plan to do so on upcoming issue.

I tend toconsider the aiines whose hubs are near me, and who 
go to places I go to most. United has a hub in San Francisco,
and American in San Jose. I picked United, because they have better
Asian coverage, and I fly there a lot.

Pick one and stay with it. The FFPs get useful when you fly a lot
(ie get to their premium grades).

Hassan
From: u2105545@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: TRIP TO AUSTRALIA planned.. I hope.
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:58:27 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug21.191212.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au>, ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.172255.10970@watson.ibm.com>, royle@highland.manassas.ibm.com (Matthew Royle x4553 highland) writes:
>> 
>> 
	<stuff deleted>

> really are helpful.  NSW and Melbourne and SA aren't all that geared for
> youngertourists, they have more things like wineries museums and the other
> "cultured " stuff that attracts older tourists.  Go on a winery tour and taste
> some of the best wines in the world in Victoria (hunter valley) and South
> Australia (the Barossa Valley)         ^^^^^^^^^
>                                         Not Victoria!! New South Wales!!

	< stuff deleted >

Hunter valley is in State of New South Wales.....not in Victoria.

As I went there several times with my freinds who are professional
wine advisors, I know this fact...

regards
Shigetoh Kumagai

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser)
Subject: Use of radios on planes.
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:19:47 GMT

On numerous occasions, I have read in the little safety pamphlets in the
seat back that it was dangerous for passengers to operate radios during
the fligt.  I have thought that it would be interesting to  listen to 
the pilot<>ground communications using a scanner, but what in the process
would cause danger?  Do recievers emit em radiation that will interfere with
the safe operation of the aircraft?  

Always been curious.

David Fraser

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                 Vancouver, BC, CDA | CRASNet: 125:200/230
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: bruceb@microsoft.com (Bruce Burger)
Subject: Re: Morris Air
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:46:00 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: cheap, on time

Morris Air is not actually an airline.  The fine print says that all their
flights are actually operated by two charter services, Sierra Pacific 
Airlines and Ryan International Airlines (I probably got the names slightly
garbled).  I think last winter some of their flights were also on
Continental -- I don't know if they were Continental-operated charters or
regular Continental seats that were heavily discounted.

I don't know what the ramifications are of flying an operation like this,
but I suspect they're much like flying international charters:  it's a great
deal when things go right, but when they go wrong (e.g., flight cancelled,
flight delayed, you miss your flight, baggage lost, flight overbooked),
you are more vulnerable because they don't have cooperative agreements
with other airlines, different regulations apply to them, etc.  Also, 
charter airlines may cut corners more on safety than major airlines.

I have no experience with Morris Air to suggest that these are real
problems with them, and I would fly them if the price was low enough,
but if you do, don't expect to get the same product that you get on a
real airline.

Bruce Burger
Microsoft, Seattle
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rkimm@ameris.ameritech.com (Robert L. Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Seats closer together?
Organization: Ameritech, Hoffman Estates, IL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:29:04 GMT

esr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Edwin S. Russell) writes:

>Suggestions?  Try to get a bulkhead seat, or exit row for those planes which  
>have more room in them, if you can get one before all the little stubby  
>people.  I often do pretty well getting bulkhead/exit row on the first leg  
>but if I have to change planes I never seem to be able to beat the Stubbies  
>regardless of how much time I have to change.

On United, I am often able to get a good seat assignment for the second leg at
the time that I check in for the first leg.  Sometimes they offer a new seat
assignment for the second flight, sometimes I have to ask. I have even done
this for the return of a round trip, on one day itineraries.

Bob Kimmel
rkimm@ameris.center.il.ameritech.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.india,rec.travel.air
From: mohapatr@spot.Colorado.EDU (MOHAPATRA PRAMODA K)
Subject: Denver-Chicago Ticket
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:15:05 GMT


Denver to Chicago
One way
Sep 2  4:01 P.M. Continental
Best offer.
From: my@laverde.nsc.com (Mike Yip)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Oversea flight and assigned seats
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:44:55 GMT
Reply-To: my@laverde.nsc.com
Organization: National Semiconductor Corp.

Hello,
	I would like to know if one can get a confirmed assigned 
seat for oversea travel?  Some one told me that I have to get the
seat assignment when I get to the airport when i fly.  Is that true?


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| Of course, this is my own opinion!
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
Subject: Re: Travel Award for sale
Organization: McGill University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:11:40 GMT

In article <ERIC.14.0@hup.ucla.edu> ERIC@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) 
> Some rules are wrong and it is the responsibility of the individuals  
>within a society to break those rules. 

What a completely inane thing to say. A society where every 
individual has the responsibility (sic) to decide which rules
are to obeyed and which are to be broken is described nicely
by the word anarchy:

an ar chy \'an-er-ke , -,a r-\ n
[ML anarchia, fr. Gk, fr. anarchos having no ruler, fr. an- + archos ruler  
  more at ARCH-]
(1539)
1a: absence of government
b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of  
governmental authority
c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without  
government
2: absence of order: DISORDER
3: ANARCHISM 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: Northwest (was Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:01:10 GMT


In article <PREVELIG.92Aug25161609@eastman1.mit.edu>, prevelig@eastman1.mit.edu (Peter Prevelige) writes:
|> 
|> If Northwest (or any other employer) wants to insitute performance
|> tests for employees, that is fine with me. If they want to test for
|> drugs in my system which may remain from a time when I wasn't on duty
|> that is not their right.  Suppose my judgement is impaired cause I was
|> up all night watching old movies and I'm tired. Is there a test for
|> that too? The issue of concern is on the job performance not whether
|> or not you use drugs.
|> 
|> Peter Prevelige
|> Dept. of Biology
|> MIT

Not true.  The issue IS whether or not you use drugs.  Individuals who
use drugs tend to: 
	1. Have more accidents (both on and off the job).  This
	raises insurance costs, and raises the danger level for 
	fellow employees adn customers. It also raises liability
	questions, since the company will be liable if you screw up
	because you are stoned (universal "you", not you in
	particular).
	2. Miss more days of work.  This raises costs as well.
	3. Change jobs more frequently, raising training costs.
	4. Escalate their drug use over time, thus elevating potential
	risks and costs. (Including increasing the likelihood that,
	while the drug use may have *started* only on off-hours, it
	will begin to show up on the job.)
	
True, the company cannot test for poor performance because you stayed up
all night watching the Three Stooges Revival on WTBS.  There are a lot
of variables for which an employer CAN'T test.  However, this does not then
mean that they should not be able to test for known agents that will
lower performance, and raise liability and costs.

You have a right to privacy, and you are entitled to exercise that right.
However, if you choose to excercise your "right" to do illegal drugs,
just don't go to work for a company that gives drug tests.  That is also
your right--to choose for whom you work.  If the day arrives when EVERYBODY
tests for drugs, you will have to make a choice:  Do you want to work, or
do recreational drugs? (again, the universal you, not you in particular).

This has gone too far afield from rec.travel.air, IMHO. Follow-ups (re)directed 
to misc.jobs.misc
-- 

David G. Simmons
davids@lanl.gov

If I said it, LANL didn't... 

-- 

David G. Simmons
davids@lanl.gov

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: emedeiros@vitalink.com (Eva Medeiros)
Subject: Test Only...
Reply-To: emedeiros@vitalink.com (Eva Medeiros)
Organization: Vitalink Communications
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:35:41 GMT


please ignore.....

Eva Medeiros
emedeiros@vitalink.com
From: 094370@adpdp2.lanl.gov (Dan Comstock)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: CFD: rec.travel.air.forsale
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:14:00 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <4767@bacon.IMSI.COM>, jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes...
>Isn't everyone else *sick* of these for-sale posts?  They take up darn
>near 75% of the traffic.  Ugh!
> 

I agree!  Can the deities in charge arrange for a separate area so all the
for-sale messages are in a separate area?

Thanks!
Dan
From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Info on AUSTRALIA Needed - Please !
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:00:33 GMT
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide

In article <92235.214602SALOMONE@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, SALOMONE@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I am an undergrad flight student at the Univ of North Dakota and am travelling
> to Syndey, Australia from Sept 3rd thru Sept 7th.  Can ANYONE help by providing
> information on recommended places to stay that are "inexpensive" (i.e. a
> student's very, very limited budget) along with places to see and things to
> do while in Sydney ???
> 

Given that you are a student, look up your local chapter of AIESEC which is a
world wide students organistion, predominantly business types.  We have at
least 2 chapters in Sydney so they should be able to help you.  Your local
group should be able to help you find them - they have an email address.

regs

Rob
 
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From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Transferring Frequent Flyer ticket
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:49:04 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

I've lost my Delta Frequent Flyer brochure so   I can't look this up.
I have enough miles for a free (domestic) ticket, but I'm not sure if
I will be using the ticket myself or giving it to my daughter.  Do
I have to decide before I order the award (coupon, whatever), or do I
do that when I turn in the award for an actual ticket.  And if I do
decide to get the ticket in her name, how do I do that?

Thanks a lot.
From: ae02022
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Northwest cuts fares again, act fast
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:02:00 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <17djcvINNpdp@agate.berkeley.edu>, mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes...
>In yesterday's business section of the San Francisco Examiner was a
>brief article about Northwest Airlines.  They are cutting their fares
>by $30-50, depending on the price of the original ticket.
>Ex.:  $290 LAX-NYC fare cut to $230.  The other airlines, as of yesterday,
>were not sure if they were going to follow.  You must buy the ticket
>by August 31 and travel by ???.  Call Northwest at (800)-225-2525 for
>more info or see your travel agent.  I don't have any more info.
> 
>mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
> 

I think those coupons are valid only on flights to Las Vegas or Atlantic City.

Peter
		                                                               
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: barrk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BARR KEITH STABLER)
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:29:18 GMT

In article <fraserdt.715112387@unixg.ubc.ca> fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser) writes:
>On numerous occasions, I have read in the little safety pamphlets in the
>seat back that it was dangerous for passengers to operate radios during
>the fligt.
Not only can it be dangerous, it may be illegal.  Below is an excerpt from
the Federal Aviation Regulations.  The operator is the Airline, and the
pilot in command is the captain.  Pay special attention to paragraph (c),
which gives the airline the say in what can and can't be operated.  Also
remember that all airline flights are operated under Instrument Flight
Rules (IFR)

91.21  PORTABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICES

     (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person
	may operate, nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft
	allow the operation of, any portable electonic device on any of the
	following U.S.--registered civil aircraft:
	(1)  Aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating
		certificate or an operating certificate; or
	(2)  Any other aircraft while it is operated under IFR.

     (b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to--
	(1)  Portable voice recorders;
	(2)  Hearing Aids;
	(3)  Heart pacemakers;
	(4)  Electric shavers; or
	(5)  Any other portable electronic device that the operator of
		the aircraft has determined will not cause interference
		with the navigation or communication system of the
		aircraft on which it is to be used.

     (c) In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air
	carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate, the
	determination required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall
	be made by that operator of the aircraft on which the particular
	device is to be used.  In the case of other aircraft, the determin-
	ation may be made by the pilot in command or other operator of the
	aircraft.

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