HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nicki@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nicki Trasler)
Subject: Re: Why I react the way I do to some...
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.060809.21617@cco.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
.
Much of a very good article deleted for brevity...
.

>The fundamentalists cannot accept this concept, because they believe in a
>universe where all is determined moment-by-moment by God.  "It is God's will."
>Anything that happens, God wanted it to happen that way.  In the most extreme,
>you get Calvinism and predestination, where if you do evil and go to hell, it 
>is because God desired you to do evil and go to hell; personally, I can't
>imagine any god setting up a universe like that to be a good god ...
>
Nicki adds, "Funny, really, isn't it, that the extensions in the two
directions point to the same thing.  I mean, in the above,
Fundamentalists argueing, in effect, that there's no such thing as
freewill.  And there's a quote from a scientist, Robert May, which I
can't remember exactly but which is roughly, 'There is no such thing as
free will, we just don't know the initial conditions well enough.'"

She looks as if she wants to add more, but changes her mind on glancing
at her watch....  (Later, perhaps.)

>Abner looks over at Pizza Boy.  "Anything else?  I seem to have all the
>answers today ..."  And he grins.
-- 
Nicki Trasler
nicki@ibmpcug.co.uk
nicki@hicom.lut.ac.uk
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From: saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Its just me..)
Subject: A very belated birthday!!!!
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:46:34 GMT

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Subject: Birthday wish to Alfvaen!!
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy

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To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Subject: Hey-a-there!!!
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

HH  HH  AAAA  PPPPP  PPPPP  YY  YY
HH  HH AA  AA PP  PP PP  PP YY  YY
HHHHHH AAAAAA PPPPP  PPPPP   YYYY
HH  HH AA  AA PP     PP       YY
HH  HH AA  AA PP     PP       YY

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BB  BB    II   RR  RR   TT    HH  HH DD  DD AA  AA YY  YY
BBBBB     II   RRRRR    TT    HHHHHH DD  DD AAAAAA  YYYY
BB  BB    II   RR  RR   TT    HH  HH DD  DD AA  AA   YY
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BBBBB   IIIIII RR  RR   TT    HH  HH DDDDDD AA  AA   YY

 AAAA  LL     FFFFFFF VV    VV  AAAA  EEEEEE  NN     NN  !!
AA  AA LL     FF      VV    VV AA  AA EE      NNN    NN  !!
AAAAAA LL     FFFFF   VV    VV AAAAAA EEEEE   NN NN  NN  !!
AA  AA LL     FF      VV    VV AA  AA EE      NN  NN NN  !!
AA  AA LL     FF       V    V  AA  AA EE      NN    NNN
AA  AA LLLLLL FF        VVVV   AA  AA EEEEEEE NN     NN  ::

Have a wonderful one Alfvaen!!
++ a drink of your choice - my treat!

:) Spacey!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Lauri Saiki                            o  O     "              ." -me
Internet: saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu     .       I am a very quiet           
Bitnet: saiki@uhhepg                   ---<     person!! 
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Couldn't get in touch with ya over e-mail...I know y'all can see that!!!

Bye!

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And a mocha for Carole, too!!!

..spacey
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From: ceo@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chip Olson)
Subject: Re: Pepsi Drinkers Unite! (was Re: Snow FantasyAnd now, back to the show:
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
	<Bs03u1.ADC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Jul27.205511.18917@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
	<Bs2xK8.3G5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:45:23 GMT

In article <Bs2xK8.3G5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:

>of course, that is only the story of how we ended up living
>together...the story of how we met is great too...."
>
>kitten sits back and waits for somebody to say...."kitten, tell us a story..."

Castellan plops himself down on the floor by Kitten's chair, turns around to
face the other patrons and says, "Ok everyone, 1, 2, 3, KITTEN, TELL US A
STORY!"

--
-Chip Olson. | ceo@silver.lcs.mit.edu | ceo@gnu.ai.mit.edu 
"PROUD SPONSORS OF THOSE WHO CARRY THE TORCH"  -banner on US Post Office
across from burned-out block of stores in south-central LA.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: pierce@spop.navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Subject: Re: Breakfast is Served!!!
Reply-To: pierce@navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce)
Organization: POPS Operations I/O Operator
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-1020]: spop.navo.navy.mil
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.124606.29380@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, nev@Turing.ORG (Niles E. VanDenburg) writes:
|> Niles wanders over and wonders why there are no biscuits and honey.
|> Maybe that sort of a breakfast is a Southern US regionalism.
 
      "Bisquits and honey coming right up ! How many bisquits would
    you like ? I have about 100 buttermilk bisquits cooking in the oven !
    And Tupelo Honey is right over there on the table..." Robbie.

-- 
jmpierce%usmcp6.bitnet@vm.tcs.tulane.edu <- guaranteed there Wed. only !
Disclaimer: Standard. Recent Album: Muddy Waters:Muddy Waters Live 
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:28:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Columbo re: yet another sleepless night
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: rkoch@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ruth M. Koch)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Pepsi Drinkers Unite! (was Re: Snow FantasyAnd now, back to the show:
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:55:11 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

>"dear speaker....no offense...but you are loony..."  kitten grins and
>offers him a hug...to show she is teasing....
>
>"cold it okay up to a point...even snow (I HATE ICE...the only good
>ice is in small enough cubes to fit into a pepsi glass)
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Hooray!  Someone else who isn't afraid to admit to drinking
 pepsi, and doesn't use coke as a generic word for cola.

 (BTW, kitten sorry about the pipes, glad you hooked up with
 TC because of it.  See, cold weather has it's uses. )

 Nathan.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Subject: Re: John comes in with what he beleives to be an important message.
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:48:09 GMT

	"I think that you have come in with some important things to
say," Grant says. "So let's take a look again at what you've been
saying:

	Should you be ashamed of believing in God and moral absolutes?

	I don't see why you should.  It's your life.

	Should you be ashamed of being, at heart, prolife? (Though I
don't understand the murderer of young girls part.)  <I get it now,
sorry about that.>

	Again, I don't see why you should be ashamed.  If you harrass
women going into clinics, maybe you should be a little ashamed.  If
you have attempted the murder of doctors who perform abortions in order
to preserve life, then you're a hypocrite and deserve to be ashamed.
(I personally am pro-choice mostly because the pro-life groups I've
talked to have been too militant or too self-righteous.  I can't
stand that in an organization.)

	So, in short, you have nothing to be ashamed of, not even for
your sexual preferences.  Tolerance is the key.  If someone does 
something in private and doesn't publicize it, and you don't see it,
and it doesn't hurt you or anybody else, what's the problem?

	However, what should you be ashamed of?  IMHO:

If you have forced someone to have sex against their will.
If you have willingly committed murder.
If you have willingly hurt another person physically or mentally.
If you have sexually abused young children.
If you have commmitted incest.
If you have shoplifted.
If you haven't returned money that you borrowed.
If you haven't returned ANYTHING that you may have borrowed.

	These go from the rude to the silly, here, but as you can see,
in all of these, you're hurting someone other than yoursel for your
own gratification.  (This is the communical you here, folks.  I'm
not making an example of anyone.)

	So, since I don't know anybody who has done these things,
I don't think I have to resort to name-calling or rampant flaming.
The subject that started this whole ball of wax, religion, is touchy.
More atrocities have been committed in the name of the "holy spirit"
than just about anything else:

The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The KKK (in some places)
Militant Anti-Semite groups (purifying the US in the name of Christ)
The Lambs of Christ (a militant prolife group that has stooped to
	murder to "protect life.")

	So, let's stop the rampant flaming over religion and morals,
and get back to having walks on the grass in X-Windows with friends.
To show my sincerity, the drinks are on me!

< S P L A S H ! ! ! >

	(By now, I should know not to say things like that. :)
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: even more re: SEA takes a ride.
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:01:26 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera

In article <1992Jul26.070436.23494@lrmsc.loral.com>, salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850) writes:
>In article <9207252213.AA13316@pops.navo.navy.mil> pierce@navo.navy.mil (James M. Pierce) writes:
>>     { more. yes, more... }
>>
>>   <whee> leapfrog over the satellites...
>>
>>  { Boss, whatch out for that military satellite }
>>
>>  "No problem Spider ! The suits are set to avoid them.
>>   Shall we hold hands while the sun rises above the Earth's horizon ?" DJ.
>>
>>  "Well, okay," SEA.
>>
>>                                segue
>>  'also spake Zarathustra'  ---------------------> 'Here Comes the Sun!'
>>
>>  'Here comes the Sun !
>>   Here comes the Sun !'
>>
>And SEA starts singing..."And I say it's alright"...holding on to DJ's hand
>they leapfrog another satellite.

StM sends an emergency message.  "Carl has asked me to request that, while
you're up there, you take a bit of a detour and kick the ribs on the high-gain
antenna on Galileo."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: An attempt at delurking someone...
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:26:02 GMT


"Um ... is anyone else as uncomfortable with this as I am?  Though
not part of the official unwritten rules (how's that for an oxymoron?),
attempting to delurk someone else feels dangerously close to prying to me.

"Comments?"

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
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From: allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Subject: Re: The New Kid
Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.org (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:30:42 GMT
Followup-To: alt.callahans

As quoted from <1992Jul27.235232.21519@cco.caltech.edu> by ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz):
+---------------
| >>I don't know about that one though I do wonder sometimes about the impressions
| >>you get of Ohio from movies. Let's see...we have transsexual aliens (The Rocky
| >>Horror Picture Show is set in Denton, OH - look closely and the newspaper
| >>Janet's holding over her head is a Cleveland Plain Dealer)..and there's always
| >>the impressions you get from _Heathers_ ("Mineral water? They were fags!")...
| >>Unfortunately it tends to be somewhat more normal in RL...
| 
| > Sir, I don't know whether to be offended by this or not.
| > What does this mean?
| > Was your intent to say that Ohio is more open-minded than Brad and
| > Janet in _ RHPS_, and the sheriffs in _Heathers_?
| 
| I suspect that he was trying to say that, walking down the street in Ohio, you
| are unlikely to run into transsexual aliens or (not having seen Heathers, I'll
| go by your comments) parahoid homophobic sherrifs.  These two views of Ohio are
+---------------

Well, let's face it, RHPS would be an inaccurate view of the setting
regardless of where it was set.  (Well, unless it were in Hollywood.  :-)

As for HEATHERS:  much of Ohio is rural, with rural community values.  I
wouldn't be surprised at all to find that kind of sheriff in a farm community
in north-central Ohio.

++Brandon (ncoast finally is letting me post again)
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery, KF8NH [44.70.4.88]: allbery@NCoast.ORG, bsa@telotech.com
Senior Programmer, Telotech, Inc. (if I may call myself that...)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: SEA makes a decision
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:39:35 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers

In article <920729.19035116.027188@USM.CP6> JMPIERCE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (JIM PIERCE) writes:
> [ just a few deletions, wouldn't want to violate net-etiquette ]
>
>>As Mike pours SEA a glass of wine, she feels rather than sees
>>her friends gathering around her to offer support.
>
>>Tossing her glass in to the fireplace after toasting:
>>"To bravery, or stupidity...it's a step in making a change"
>
>>SEA turns to go back to the meadow, saying "I'll gladly take
>>suggestions."
>
>    "I don't have much to offer, but here I am, doing what I
>   seem to do best, waiting for a request," DJ spoken softer yet.
>
>    A Poem for SEA by DJ.
>
>           The birds sing in the meadow,
>           a moon has risen,
>           the whip'poor will calls softly
>           in the dusk,
>             a train of thought wanders through my
>           self, a friend I am, for every need,
>           a True Friend is always hard to find,
>           where I was before doesn't really matter
>            anymore, for I am among friends, by the score.
>
With tears in her eyes, SEA takes his hand and whispers, ever so quietly,
"Thank you.  I'd like to redeem my coupon just now."


*This account expires in 9 days, please use lunisea@netcom.com for
correspondence.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:03:17 GMT



>In article <1992Jul26.161337.10915@cs.tulane.edu>,
>pierce@spop.navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce) writes:
>>In article <Bs039K.A9p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>>|> kitten looks down off the top of a mountain of soap boxes...hoping
>>|> somebody will catch her if she jumps.
>>
>>        I will.
>>DJ.

>I would, too, but she'd have to jump up!  My pile is about
>97000 boxes higher than hers.  Anyone got a parachute?  The
>breeze is starting to pick up  . . .

>--Marie

kitten borrows a boomerang from the nearest aussie...and fastens a
purple silk parachute to it..."here marie...catch.  if you put this
on and jump...TJ and i should be able to give you a soft landing..."
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: brumby@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Subject: Re: The brumby is foaling better
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:59:07 GMT


   The brumby yawns, it being 4am in RL, and blinks at Telsor.

telsor@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert Morieson) writes:

>Could this be because those around you know you well enough to realise
>you'll make a very good father and believe in you?

   "Well, maybe you lot believe it. Then again, very few people know me
well. Sorry."

>Or amybe I didn't want to stick the booty in?

   "You sound a bib rattled."

>This means no more 'golden gelding' lines, right?

   "I think you should cut this one, someone who's neuter this might think
it's rig-ged."

>We have not yet begun to pun! ( good think that I like peanuts )

   "Heh, heh, heh."

>I think it would be arrownious to pun about this one, I save all the 'hunt
>the wumpus' puns for Robyn.

   "Well, it shows I'm not bent. A bat of a pity, some would say."

>I was just allowing a pregnant pause before I started.

   "You seem to be laboring under a mis-conception there."

>O very nice set of puns.
>Surely it set the seed of an idea in your mind, gestate a little longer
>and it'll grow. 

   "Keep this up, and you'll semen in hysterics."

>>   The brumby retreats from the hail of peanuts.

>And Telsor eats them all.

   "Greedy! I'm supposed to be the one who eats like a horse."


-- 
     The Silver Brumby of          brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
      the Silicon Plains

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:33:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.193832.24330@news.iastate.edu>, SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.161337.10915@cs.tulane.edu>,
>pierce@spop.navo.navy.mil (Jim M. Pierce) writes:
>>In article <Bs039K.A9p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>>|> kitten looks down off the top of a mountain of soap boxes...hoping
>>|> somebody will catch her if she jumps.
>>
>>        I will.
>>DJ.
>
>I would, too, but she'd have to jump up!  My pile is about
>97000 boxes higher than hers.  Anyone got a parachute?  The
>breeze is starting to pick up  . . .

StM produces his box, labelled "ACME soapbox termites," opens it, and turns the
contents loose on Marie's pile of soapboxes.  "Just hang on," he yells to
Marie, "These termites are trained to act in concert, so the pile of soapboxes
SHOULDN'T just fall over, but at your altitude, they might rock back and forth
a bit."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Responsibilities of Artists (was Re: Pornography and Playboy)
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:37:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.145759.24092@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.183656.17784@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:

>I suppose, then, that you think that the novel
>_One_Flew_Over_the_Cuckoo's_Nest_ should've been written from a different point
>of view?  After all, quite a bit of what's described in parts of the novel
>never really happened even in the plot of the novel.  It's just that the
>character in question perceived them as happening that way.

	"Nope.  Because, I'll point out, you know that what's
described in the novel never really happened even in the plot of the
novel.  That despite the POV of the novel itself.  That's what I mean
about being able to convey the difference between truth and fiction--
you knew that those events were not assertions about reality, but
about the character whose point of view you were experiencing."

>>>The former conveys, at best, the mindset of a Yankee who's got some insight
>>>into the mindset of some southernors.  The latter, if done well, gives the
>>>reader a second-hand rather than a third-hand experience.
>>
>>	"How?  No one ever lived in a world with _actually_
>>universally inferior blacks.

>But some Southernors lived in a world of PERCEIVED inferior blacks.  If the
>object of the work is to portray events exactly as they happened, then it's not
>a work of art; it's simply history.  If the object of the work is to give us
>some insight into the attitudes of some southernors, then their world-view must
>be presented, not some Yankee's perception of their world-view.

	"This only works if one doesn't believe that there was a
reality in which the original events happened.  In reality,
Southerners succeeded in living in a world of the perceived
inferiority of blacks despite the fact that there was no real
biological inferiority.  That's not a Yankee's point of view, that's
the truth, if historical and biological truth have any meaning at all.
(And if truth has no meaning, it's hardly possible to lie under any
circumstances, is it?)  If one writes about Phoenecian sailors, one
may well include nothing which contradicts their view that the Earth
was flat-- but if they sail off the edge of the earth, you're writing
fantasy, not historical fiction and-- unless a shock ending was
intended-- the reader should have been told (if only by implication)
that this was a fantasy.  Ditto for the previous example-- if the
characters assume inferiority, without contradiction, that's one
thing.  If the story corroborates them to the reader as truth, that's
quite another."

Michael

-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Workers of the world, forgive me.
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 You had more to lose than I thought."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Karl Marx (1990) as imagined by
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Jim Koncz (konc@midway.uchicago.edu)