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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:40:46 GMT

I'm not.  They're a bit of creative lunacy in an otherwise normally depressing
newsgroup.  God, you all take yourself so SERIOUSLY!  What's wrong with a 
little idle banter about the what if's and wherefore's of comics?!  Sure, it 
costs money, but so do psychiatric sessions and drugs.  If you want quality
stuff, and think LNH is schlock, grab the ol' hypocrite stamp and slap 
yourself on the face a dozen times.  COMICS ARE TRIPE!  Here's a clue:  I 
picked up the first two Cerebus Phonebooks and loved them.  High Society and
Church and State were GREAT.  The rest?  PHBBBT!  COME ON!  MOVE ON!  _SO_
few comics are good reads, and most so short in their run that if you're 
REALLY concerned about your quality time, (wasted by the LNH posts, naturally),
READ War and Peace!  Why waste your time with comics?!?  Only a desperate few 
become high literature, after all (Watchmen, et al).  Why?  What did I hear?
You read comics not to invoke the muses, but to tickle the cerebellum?  Dare
I say you ENJOY reading comics "for the hell of it?"  Well then, read on.
Talk about it as humorously or seriously as you want, but recognize some people
don't give a damn who the third aardvark is!  And the moment you realize that,
that some people will be hitting the "n" key for WHATEVER comic you dredge up,
then you'll realize you're straw poll is pointless and pathetic.  
	Here's an idea:  How many people think Cerebus discussions should be
taken off racm?  Let's take a poll.  I mean, not everyone LIKES Cerebus, and
since it's such a cerebral (read: snotty) title, the vast majority will say,
"Yeah, sure.  Drop it.  And post more "Earth Blows up.""  LNH _BELONGS_ on
racm, as much as the Kid Dynamo storyline did.  _I_ can't get LNH at my 
site, and the only way I can enjoy their golden goodness is through RACM.
Until that time, I WANT MY LNH!
	And while we're at it, let's create:
rec.art.comics.misc.stuff.jim.cowling.reads
and
rec.art.comics.misc.stuff.jim.cowling.doesn't.read

Maybe _that_ will stop his bitching...

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Subject: Re: Supes Death by Dr. Doom!! (See todays USA Today)
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 05:44:33 GMT

>>>Like complete morons, they state that Dr. Doom kills Superman.
>
>I'd actually find that more believable than this Doomsday business.

You said it.  It's all DC's fault for getting rid of Lex Luthor, you
know.  If Supes was going to die from an insidious plot that _circumvented_
his powers, it might be an interesting idea; as it is, he's apparently
going to be wiped out through superior firepower. Ho hum.

Y'know, its times like this that I really, _really_ miss Zot!

(Hmm. Back after six months. Did I miss anything :) :)

-- Mark Dewis.
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit.
From: dunk@carson.u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Go-back invasion thoughts....
Summary: In HY#4...
Keywords: Elfquest
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.203400.24349
Organization: University of Washington

Hello, EQ fans.
   In an answer to a past post of mine concerning issue#4 of
ElfQuest: The Hidden Years, I made a comment concerning a past
event only hinted at that occured between a past issue (#2) and
the current issue.   The reply someone gave to me was that it
was a re-telling of the events of issue #2.   If that is so,
then why is Khavi fighting one of her own kinsmen?   I
realize that this kinsman is also the current Go-back chief, but
in issue #2, she and Tyldak tried to gain the palace fragment,
but failed and were put into a Preserver coccoon to cool off.
It would seem to me that the battle hinted at in issue #4 was,
in fact, a second battle waged by the rest of the Go-backs when
it appeared that Khavi had failed.   By that time, Khavi and
Tyldak had cooled off, and were now fighting to protect the
Sun-Villagers.   Seems simple to me, and you don't have to
fall back on revisionist history to explain it, either.

********************************************************************
John Dunkelburg, a.k.a. no a.k.a.
My life isn't a soap opera, it's ANIME!
"I only believe in my own power.   Nothing else makes any sense."
              Zakath of Mallorea
Fashion is for the sheep of the world.
Style is for individuals.   Which are you?
********************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ivanski@world.std.com (Ivan M CaveroBelaunde)
Subject: Million Year Picnic in Boston - Fire
Keywords: Fire
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:23:54 GMT

For all interested, last weekend there was a fire at the Million Year Picnic
in Cambridge. While most of their stock was destroyed (ouch - they had
some *seriously* valuable old stuff), they are still in business (dealing
with insurance adjusters and such).

They have temporarily relocated to the Galeria shopping arcade (about a
block from their old location, across the street from Grendel's - this
is the place where the Janus theatre is in Harvard Square.

I mostly wanted to let people know this happened because: a- regulars
might see the boarded up building and not be able to find it, with
consequent loss of business (this is probably pretty real - MYP is probably
the only store across the nation that has both newsstand and bagged copies
of Supes #75 left - only because people couldn't find the store) b-old
regulars who have moved but might want to offer a little support by doing
some business there while they get back on their feet.

MYP, IMHO, is the best comic store in the Boston area (some others like
Comicopia better, but MYP is still *excellent*).  They stocked mainstream
as well as pretty obscure independent stuff, had an excellent selection of
European comics and truly great stuff (the only place I've seen that
stocked the hardcover Carl Barks and MAD collections).  They would carry
stuff like the british B/W Moore Swamp Thing stuff, and promote and recommend
quality independent books *consistently*.  Stores like this
are few and far between, and I'd like to make sure it doesn't die because
of this.  If you live in the Boston area, please support them and let your
friends know.

Disclaimer: I am in no way associated with MYP except for my being a VERY
satisfied customer of theirs.

Later,

-Ivan

PD Someone (tyg?) might want lot let jayembee know about this. I know he
	used to shop there and knew the people well, and I thought he
	might want to know, if he doesn't already.

---
Ivan Cavero Belaunde (ivanski@world.std.com)
DiVA Corporation
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Grade Report: Batman: The Blue, The Gray, And The Bat
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:40:16 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

Spoilers for the DC comics "Batman: The Blue, The Gray, And The Bat"...

Ugh, this was lame.

Which is quite a disappointment since it's by three creators I respect a lot:
Elliot S! Maggin, Alan Weiss and Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez.  However, their image
of a freewheeling, grinning Batman working for Abraham Lincoln just doesn't
click for me *at all*.  And their "Redbird" character as a replacement for
Robin *really* doesn't work.

Picture, if you will, Batman riding across the desert on a black horse.
Batman's adventures taking place primarily at midnight.  Batman and a handful
of others standing off dozens of armed soldiers with just pistols.  Batman
meeting Samuel Clemens and Wild Bill Hickock.  Plus an Abraham Lincoln who (to
my eyes) bears little resemblance to the genuine article.

Sounds pretty awful, doesn't it?

Well, this is what you get in Batman: The Blue, The Grey, And The Bat (lame
title, too).  The art *looks* nice, but there isn't a whole lot good to say
about the book besides that.  The dialogue frequently stoops to the level of
corny, and the plot is, well, uninspiring when it isn't implausible.

Give this one a pass.

Grade: D  (Just for the art)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

An inferiority complex is when you realize that everyone has better problems
than yours.
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grimjack!
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:57:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I enjoyed the early issues of Grimjack, but I started losing
interest in the character when they cloned him (I liked the idea
of a physically aging hero who has to make up for slow physical
decline with savvy and toughness) and gave up completely when
he was reincarnated into Twilley (or whoever).

the Old Comics Curmudgeon --
-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: 2013bp@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Dream and the Prodigal do history..
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:51:01 GMT

In article <cezLKaC00io7I1QV0y@andrew.cmu.edu> el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Liu) writes:
>In <lsmith.721165401@deci>, lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
>writes:
>
>[	spoiler removed since this ain't really a spoiler	]
>
>>(BTW, there's one theory that states that ROYGBIV came from Newton trying
>> to match colors to available paint pigments. Thus we're stuck with indigo.)
>
>   If my chem teacher was right, ROYGBIV came from an attempt to match the
>colors of the spectrum to the Western 8-note musical scale, since this would
>show some incredible balance between sight and sound, and demonstrate the
>perfectness of the creations of the universe or something like that.  Of
>course, the fact that some Asian cultures use a 5-note scale and other cultures
>use other "octave" scales didn't really figure into this much.
>
>   Now that I think of it, this doesn't have much to  do with the issue
>or with comics.  Oh, well.
>
>-- Ed
>Edward C. Liu				|  "Sorry 'bout your girlfriend turning
>Carnegie-Mellon University		|   out to be a fiendish, bloodsucking
>Information Networking Institute, '93	|   freak from the netherworld..."
>el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (E-L, not E-One)	|	-- _Darkwing Duck_


No,No,No, that can't be. Count it. ROYGBIV is only seven colors. I could
easily have broken it into eight colors if I were trying to, and I'm no
Newton!  Obviously, the colors ROYGBIV are an attempt to unify the
colors of the spectrum with the Endless (of which there are seven).
Think about it.
I dare you.

Bill
.
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Which Flash is Faster?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:17:54 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: phlan.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov23.181702.27568@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>Sorry, Kent. . .
>
>None of the "feats" you mention measure up to Jay outrunning electricity, which
>is close to the speed of light.  Or even that scene in the JSA title, where Jay
>runs to another state to get a newspaper and gets back in a couple of seconds.
>The real answer: they're as fast as the writers/editors say, of course.  But if
>we constrain ourselves to what we've seen in the books, then Jay is MUCH faster
>than Wally.

Uh, Kevin, electricity DOES move at close to the speed of light, but
that's not the whole story.  It takes time for an incandescent filament
to heat up to white hot (on the order of milliseconds), and a fluorescent
lamp takes even longer to establish a plasma path.  Wally could have
beat that even before he lost and regained his powers (Invasion through
Porcupine Man).  And certainly his cometary run across the country at
that time is in the same league as Jay's round trip you just mentioned.

Wally may never quite reach Barry`s speed, but I think in a fair speed
test he'd outrun Jay (current day Jay).
-- 
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                           |  that doon with."
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Titans Sellout: Instant Members
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:50:58 GMT

The problem is that she was introduced as a character about...ohmigod was
it actually TWO FREAKING YEARS AGO THAT THIS MESS BEGAN!!!!!  So they just
assume that that makes her a full time Titan even though RL wise she was
just saying about two weeks ago that she was not a Titan and was just hanging
around cuz she wanted to shred Wildebeest.
	Although obviously time is now passing rapidly to catch Titans up to
the semi-surrent time.

	Question...arent Carrie Prester etc gonna see themselves on T-shirts
(the non future kids of course) and be very freaked out by this???

-- 
"Salam and good evening to you sir.  Welcome to Agribah, land of mystery
of enchantment, and the best deals this side of the river Jordan, come on down"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Subject: Re: Superman and Death
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:46:51 GMT

In article <APPEL.92Nov20123000@anza.soda.Berkeley.EDU> appel@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.152931.3176@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
>>I haven't read Superman #75, but does Death come to collect Supes?
>>Also, in the picture of the funeral posed to a.b.p.m I'm sure I
>>see Dream in the crowd. Personally I think this is a bit out of
>>character, but do any other Endless attend?
>
>No, she didn't.  Apparently, Neil Gaiman was asked if Death could be
>used, to collect Superman.  So, he asked "Well, is he really dead?"
>And the reply wass the typically evasive one about not having decided
>yet, or some such.  So, Neil said if he wasn't really dead, it wasn't
>appropriate.

This made me remeber something I would be ammused to find in either Sandman
or Superman.

(Death has been wandering round Metropolis, cleaning up after Doomsday.
She is mumbling something to herself about how her brother never made *this*
much of a mess when she notices a small boy/girl/whatever sitting on a
stoop and crying.)
Death (sitting next to the child)- "What's the matter, little
boy/girl/whatever?"
Child-  "I-it's terrible.  Su-su-su-superman's dead!"
Death (looks puzzled)- "Superman?  Oh!  You mean Kal-El!" (scratches head)
"Funny, I don't remember that pick-up..."

August Paul Yang has got a million of 'em and is willing to share.
wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Guy Gardner #3
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:33:57 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: maico.ksu.ksu.edu


In article <Bxytr5.EsB@apollo.hp.com>, jlevine@apollo.hp.com (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:
>What did people think of this issue?
>
>I found it amusing...

Well, for an issue with absolutely no dialogue (I believe they were stress-
ing the actions scenes a bit, eh?  >:)  ), it was okay...  Still, I found it
hard to follow, in that there WAS no dialogue... nothing to set the pace...
nothing to make you slow down and really LOOK at the artwork, unless you're
into that sort of thing anyway.  It was a novel concept, though...

>
>--Jennifer 
>jlevine@apollo.hp.com

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - Hell, I can't remember the score.  They just lost to Mizzou.  *sigh*
"I've got the motive which is money, and I've got the body which is DEAD."
	-- In the Heat of the Night
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:37:26 GMT

dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (RedSwordTarga) writes:

>wesselak@sunb0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:

>>dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (RedSwordTarga) writes:

>>By "CC" do you mean Comic Cavalcade in Johnstowne Center?  I dropped by Fantasy
>>Realm on Thursday and overheard the manager promise that he would not charge
>>more than cover price for any of the copies he had that day in the store.

>Oh, I didn't think I was implying that Fantasy Realm (The only real games
>and comics store in Shampoo-Banana) was going to price-gouge us. Heck,
>that's probably one of the few stores in America where you got a 
>discount on Superman #75. CC's manager is the variety of speculator who
>really is slime. He goes to FR and buys up all the copies of some stuff
>and resells it at his store. All highly illegal and unethical, and I 

I heard that he did this on the issue of ? X-Men #1 that had a
Cable card.  Pretty slimey.  Since then, the employees of FR have
been (I believe) instructed to not allow him or any of his employees
to buy multiple issues of a soon-to-be-hot book on the day it comes
out.  (I'm unclear on the specifics.)

Also, CC has one of the best back
issue selections I've ever seen in a single store.  So of course,
he doesn't put prices on any of them.  I honestly think he just
makes up prices when you ask, based on what he thinks you can
afford.  As an example, I asked for prices on the L.E.G.I.O.N.
Annual #1 and the Superman annual with which it crossed over.
His response: "Oh, they've got Lobo in them and he's pretty
hot right now.  I could let you have them for $5 and $6."  Gimme
a break.

Tom
From: keith@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr K C Craig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Claremont Talk
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:24:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Claremonts' comments deleted.


>Someone also asked him if he meant for Magneto to have died in his
>last issue of X-men.  He replied that, for the reasons I described
>before, there was no way that Marvel would actually keep him dead.
>Magneto's death was meant to be a symbolic end, however, to
>Claremont's characterization of Magneto, since he was sure that
>whoever used the character after he left would ignore all the
>characterization built up in the past, and return him to the classic
>supervillain mode.  Thus, whatever Marvel does with Magneto in the
>future, we can see X-men #3 as the death of Claremont's Magneto.

This is sad, but true.  I think everyone realised that Magneto will come
back, probably as master villan number one.  It's a pity Image don't
support writers as well as artists and give Claremont a title that
someone couldn't mess around with.

>Some other notes: he mentioned some upcoming projects of his--he's got
>an ALIENS vs. PREDATORS comic coming up, apparently, and it'll be
>three female characters--"Thelma and Louise with Great Big Guns," he
>described it.  He was, he claimed, "playing to his strengths" with the
>female characters.

True and not true.  I always felt that Claremont had a problem depicting
women in that they were always super competent thus sterotyping
them as much (if not as badly as) writers who continually make their
women pathetic.  The only time, in my opinion, that he reached a good
balance was in the New Mutants which had it's share of "strong" and
"weak" characters both male and female.

I for one will be picking up Claremont's books and hoping Image or
someone else will give him a blast on a long running series.

						Jets.

p.s. First Flight was pretty dross although Grounded had it's moments. 
A little predictable but still good.  I was annoyed that Claremont
didn't write more that one WildCarsd chapter, I thought he showed alot
of promise there.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:24:17 GMT

Yow!  Jim, thou hast a monster created.  More posts ABOUT the LNH showed up in 
the last 10 hours on racm than posts have shown up total ON aclnh in the last 
three days.
     Here's a clue for those that really can't bear to have to hit 'n' on an 
LNH post that sneaks past your killfile:  subscribe to aclnh, put it ahead of 
racm, then hit the key that marks averything as read each time.  Anything 
crossposted is simultaneously marked as read in all crossposted newsgroups. In 
fact, I only ever see stuff crossposted here in two cases: One, it is 
hand-crossposted (which is usually things like FAQ and the like, and rare in 
any case) or Two it gets posted after I rean aclnh but before I get to racm.
     Of course, since we have now asked that all crossposts have LNH in the 
header, this shouldn't be necessary.  But it is available.
     Dave Van Domelen, had enough of polls this year already, damnit.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Black Canary #1
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:12:58 GMT

This actually promises to be better than the recent Black Canary
mini-series.  The main weakness of this title is also its main
strength:  The premise is so unpromising -- an ordinary if well-
trained woman who puts on a blond wig and net stockings to fight
crime -- that if it doesn't have good writing it has nothing.
First appearances suggest that it may have good writing.  It's
worth checking out.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Dark Horse International ..
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 02:28:37 GMT

In article <10NOV199219062929@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:
>Howdy.  Can someone tell me what Dark Horse International is?  The reason I 
>ask is because DHI will be printing Star Wars: Dark Empire.  Since I 
>missed this book when it was first printed I thought this would be a good 
>way of getting them without paying an arm and a leg.  Will there be any 
>difference between the DHI version and the regular US version?  Quality of 
>printing, etc.?  Will the DHI version ever appreciate in value?  Does 
>anyone buy DHI books?
>
DHI is the company set up by Dark Horse to publish material in Britain and
maybe in some other countries too. The DHI printing of SW:DE is a magazine-
format comic (ie larger than the usual US comic size) printed on much lower-
quality paper. It will reprint the Dark Empire stuff, with additional text
features and also the Indian Jones Atlantis Chronicles stories. In true
UK comic-ignorant style it seems to be put along with the kiddie-comics
in most newsagents. 

Mike