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From: barrett@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Barrett)
Subject: r/c car and equipment for sale
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:11:50 GMT

From RBARRETT@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Nov 23 09:02:15 1992
To: barrett@athena.cs.uga.edu

FOR SALE:

FUTABA REMOTE CONTROL CAR -- OFF ROAD
FUTABA RADIO
HOBBICO CHARGER
BATTERY

ALL IN GOOD CONDITION.

ASKING $120 + S/H (FIRM)

FOR MORE INFORMATION E-MAIL OR CALL  706-549-7150.

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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Another Fiberglassing Question....
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:14:05 GMT

In article <LARRY.92Nov20094155@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
|
|To get epoxy to work better, try warming it up with a heat gun. As it gets
|thinner, it will penetrate the cloth much better. The heat will also tend
|to speed up curing. (Using "fast" epoxy is almost a guarantee of difficulty.)

PLEASE don't do this indoors.  DO NOT breathe the fumes from heated epoxy.
That is EXACTLY what brought on my sensitization to epoxy that I wrote
about in another article.  If you must heat epoxy, either do it outdoors
in a breeze (while holding your breath, if you ask me), or use a respirator.

			Dave Svoboda, Palatine, IL
From: lew@4ccvw16.scg.hac.com (Lyman Lew)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
Subject: Re: Radio Selection (really!)
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:51:27 GMT
Reply-To: lew@4ccvw16.UUCP (Lyman Lew)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Nov17.182912.13751@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
>Not to change the engine discussion which is starting under the Radio
>Selection thread, but :-)...  
>
>I  was an RC flyer up until about 13 years ago (my, how time flies!).  In 
>brief spare moments between my job, my thesis and my kid (who's not yet 
>old enough to get into it :-), I consider picking it up again.  I have a
>Kraft 5-channel radio.  I watched the radio selection discussion, and didn't
>see Kraft mentioned.  Seemed like they were one of the popular choices back
>when I was still active.  Have they gone out of business or otherwise fallen
>into disfavor?
>
>Ken
>---
>staffan@serum.kodak.com

Yes, Kraft is no longer in business though parts are still available from
a supplier in the midwest. Kraft decided to fold up in the mid 80's when
they couldn't compete against Futaba and other imports. They were the
last massed produced US radio. I wouldn't bother using the Kraft anymore. 
Especially if it is 10 years or older. It may not meet 1991 specs.







Lyman
lew@caesi.scg.hac.com
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Another Fiberglassing Question....
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:28:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.162843.26528@informix.com> robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg) writes:
|
|How do you make the fiberglass lay down nice and tight while the epoxy sets up?

Use polyester resin instead?

			Dave Svoboda, Palatine, IL
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: FAA Message from NAR President
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:15:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov20.203821.21061@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com>, buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott) writes:

> C.D., would you care to post a 'sample' appropriate response reflecting
> the NAR's position?

Um, no.  Anything smacking of form-lettership will typically be downgraded.
Just say that you support the NAR's proposal as originally written, not as
convoluted by the FAA.
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From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: Decals via Laser Printer
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:29:26 GMT

Jim Flis once gave me the following advice:

Go to your GOOD area stationary store.  They should have some clear stuff
suitable for running through a laser printer or photocopier.  Some may be
self-adhesive.  Write down the mfg. and call them up.  Explain what you are
trying to do - they may have good advice and products the store doesn't stock.

Good luck,
Jim

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From: elder@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Greg Elder)
Subject: What Paint to Use on Styrafoam?
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:26:00 GMT

I'm trying to build a flying snowman rocket using styrafoam balls for
a December launch.  I know that some types of paint will melt/shrink
styrafoam.  What types of paint don't, i.e., what kind of paint can I
use which will not harm the styrafoam?  I believe this was mentioned
some time back in a posting, but I did not save that post.  Thanks.


--
Greg Elder                                        elder@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Department of Computer Science            or      elder@seine.eas.asu.edu
Arizona State University

Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: Re: What happened with FAA?
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:08:01 GMT

In article <19921116140518.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong) writes:
>Several weeks back there was a posting to the effect that the NAR had 
>hit the FAA over the head with a law firm and the FAA was going to 
>publish the proposed FAR 101 changes for comment.
> 
>Does anyone know if this happened?

Yes, this has happened. The public comment period will close early in December,
I understand. The FAA has proposed an intermediate type of rocket, which falls
between the old & new limits. For this new type of rocket, you would be
required to notify the nearest ATC between 24 and 48 hours before launch, but
no waiver would be required. In addition, you could not launch them within
something like 5 nautical miles of an airport.

>  should we write to comment?
>  If yes, where should we write?

The NAR has asked that we wait until it has responded. It probably would have
responded *immediately*, as soon as the proposed changes were published, but
I guess it was taken by surprise -- after several *years* of being told, "It
will be any second now", the NAR probably learned to take these announcements
with a grain or two of salt.

So, I think the best thing to do is to wait at least until either (a) the
NAR responds, and discusses its response to us (preferred mode) or (b) the
first of December has come and gone, meaning that the public comment period is
going to end within a few days. I counsel patience until then.

John Viggiano, jsvrc@rc.rit.edu
NAR 25615

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From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Subject:  Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) update
Keywords: FAQ
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:21:58 GMT

First, my apologies for the FAQ being posted so late this month.  It is
now ready and being posted, though.  The FAQ is now in 5 (count 'em, 5) 
parts.  It was broken up for a number of reasons.  There is a lot of info
in the FAQ, and using 5 parts keeps them all in the 500-1000 line
range.  It also makes it easier for multiple people to edit.

Part 4 of the FAQ was originally prepared by Jack Hagerty.  He 
deserves thanks for taking the time to write this (excellent!) new section 
on Payloads.

As always, comments, corrections, suggestions and great ideas are always
welcome.  Flames to null device, please.

I hope to get the next posting out around 15 December.

================================================================================
= Buzz McDermott                Disclaimer: I speak for no one but myself, and =
= buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com                       anyone who listens to anything I   =
= NAR   13559                               have to say deserves whatever they =
= TRA    1785                               get!!                              =
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Decals via Laser Printer
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:46:31 GMT

All this talk about laser printers and decals got me investigating,
and I just found out the University here has set up a Tektronix color
laser in one of the student labs. The nice part is that a 11x17 will
cost one $2!. Hubba hubba! I know where I'll do my decals from now on!

Hmmm so this Fasson stuff comes in letter-sized sheets, huh? The FasCal
stuff I was referrring to comes in huge rolls, but I think its the same
stuff. Its got a stiff paper backing. 









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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: What happened with FAA?
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:55:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov16.230801.14490@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano) writes:

> The NAR has asked that we wait until it has responded. It probably would have
> responded *immediately*, as soon as the proposed changes were published, but
> I guess it was taken by surprise -- after several *years* of being told, "It
> will be any second now", the NAR probably learned to take these announcements
> with a grain or two of salt.

Not really -- what happened is that the FAA published its incredibly 
complicated version of something with a glancing resemblance to what
we actually proposed.  At that point, it IMMEDIATELY went to our 
LAWYERS, who put together all the appropriate magical incantations 
to hammer the bastards roundly.  That sort of magic takes time, but 
it also saves time in the long run.  

(After five years of waiting for the FAA to do squat, we hired these 
experienced FAA-affairs lawyers who ran through three rounds of
responding to the FAA's typical "fuck you" letters with letters of
the sort, "You say this, but see court case X where you can't say that; 
you claim that, but see court case Y where you can't claim that; so 
terribly sorry, but fuck YOU, and you better stop dragging your ass 
or tell it to the judge."  And voila -- publication magically occurred.)

So what happened here is that the lawyers needed all this time to work
up a tight 60-page legal tiger cage that the FAA is not going to be
able to argue or squirm their way out of.  These guys are GOOD.

In point of fact, we ordered reprints of the FAA proposal before they
even had any in stock.
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From: mhob0100@rz.uni-hildesheim.de (Martin Johannes Hobt)
Subject:  Info. about solid rocket-motors
Reply-To: mhob0100@rz.uni-hildesheim.de
Organization: Universitaet Hildesheim, RZ
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:50:54 GMT

Hi out there !

A friend of mine is looking for: 

	-everybody-may-buy-these SOLID ROCKET ENGINES
	-some mixtures how to make FIRE REALLY COLOURFUL
	-some technical information how to make the gas-stream
	  nearly really parallel (depending on diameter of the rocket,
	  gas volumina per second etc., I don't know ....)

It would be very kind of you E-mailing to mhob0100@rz.uni-hildesheim.de:

	 	-some literature-tips,
		-distibutor(s) (in Germany ?!) of rocket engines
		  (e.g. Mattel ?!), if possible with address and phonenumber
		
		-if I landed in a wrong group, if you know a "better" group....

	Thanx 4 your help,	Martin


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From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: Re: Decals via Laser Printer
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:50:14 GMT

In article <BxzDo9.5D9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
    ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>I have never seen the dry-transfer stuff, but I know its pretty popular
>>with the railroad folks. (that is, the pre-printed stuff).
>
>Hmmm isn't this the same stuff used by T-shirt shops? You know, where they
>xerox a picture then dry-transfer it to your T-shirt?
>
No, that is heat transfer.  Dry transfer letters are the rub on type
that Letraset (among others) make.  

Given a decent paint/draw program and this stuff, some pretty nice
decals should be possible.  THe NCR report said that several of the
internats team scale models use this stuff for markings.

-- 
Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
"You know, I think we're all Bozos on this bus."
"Detail Dress Circuits" "Belt: Above A, Below B" "Close B ClothesMode"
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Scale model rocket sources
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:47:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <BxznDs.3G9@world.std.com>, DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) writes:
> At one point in history, several plastic model makers offered kits of
> various rockets....

> Can anyone point me in the directioon of a source of such things today. It
> would be nice not only to get a hold of current stuff (Titan, Delta, etc.)
> but the historical stuff as well. Note that I am NOT looking for flying
> models.

There's even a local source.  Glencoe models of Northboro currently sells
a few plastic models in the rocket area.  One of these is a nice Jupiter
C that can be converted for flight with a couple of simple mods.  Glencoe
doesn't sell mail-order, but you should be able to find their line in
most any local hobby store.
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From: biedron@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Robert Biedron)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: FAI Activities
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:36:59 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tab00.larc.nasa.gov

I got a call from Dennis Kryway yesterday. He said the AMA 
voted unanimously to take over FAI spacemodeling activity.  
The funding issue is still unresolved, but it looks unlikely
that the AMA will cover team expenses, at least for the next
WC. Tentative plans are to hold a workshop in the spring for 
those interested in learning how to build FAI-type models. 
The flyoffs to select the '94 team will (tentatively) be 
in August, after NARAM. Both the workshop and flyoffs are 
to be held at the AMA's Muncie facility. I'll post 
additional details when/if I get them.
From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Amateur Rocketry
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:30:01 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu
Keywords: FAQ

Could someone send me information on amateur rocketry organizations?

If known, Los Angeles / Southern California contacts would be helpfull.

Thanks, Merlin

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From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: Decals via Laser Printer
Organization: UofM Hospitals
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:06:00 GMT

In Article <By6EHJ.AC4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)" says:
> All this talk about laser printers and decals got me investigating,
> and I just found out the University here has set up a Tektronix color
> laser in one of the student labs. The nice part is that a 11x17 will
> cost one $2!. Hubba hubba! I know where I'll do my decals from now on!
> 
> Hmmm so this Fasson stuff comes in letter-sized sheets, huh? The FasCal
> stuff I was referrring to comes in huge rolls, but I think its the same
> stuff. Its got a stiff paper backing. 
> 
  
Don't get you hopes too high.  If your Tek color printer is a Phaser II/III, 
keep looking (or tell me how you get it to work).  I (actually my department)
owns a Phaser III.  It's neat and prints are cheap as color goes, but it is 
not a toner based printer.  The Phasers are 'wax stylus' printers.  
What are 'wax styli'?  Crayons.  The main difference is that crayons are a 
buck a box, 'wax styli' are $70 a box each for cyan, magenta and yellow, $140
for black.  I'm teaching my 6 year old to read PostScript so I can have the 
same printing capability at home that I have at work :-).
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: NARWIN IV Comments
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:58:04 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <BxzCyK.471@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

> Hmmm I wonder if a scale bad paint job (like you'd find on the bottom 
> tier of the 4H rocket club's display) would be looked upon favorably in 
> this event..

Where would you get a Q-tip that big?
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From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: What happened with FAA?
Organization: UofM Hospitals
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:05:00 GMT

Several weeks back there was a posting to the effect that the NAR had 
hit the FAA over the head with a law firm and the FAA was going to 
publish the proposed FAR 101 changes for comment.
 
Does anyone know if this happened?
If yes, 
  should we write to comment?
  If yes, where should we write?
else
  has it come time to flame?
  If yes, I assume the usual bunch (senators and congressmen).
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: NARWIN IV Comments
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:04:36 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov17.221203.1672@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano) writes:

> You've got my chops watering for the NSL. Will it be on the same field?

Yes, unless they can glom onto the FOUR-square-mile field by February.
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From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: DOT/Reloads?
Organization: UofM Hospitals
X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:09:00 GMT

A couple of weeks ago the announcement that Aerotech's stay of enforcement
with the CPSC had gone through and G's were off of the endangered species
list.  That same posting alluded a possible resolution of the DOT ban on
reload shipments the week of 6 Nov.
 
Anyone heard anything mor
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: FAA Message from NAR President
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:49:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com

November 17, 1992


In May 1985 the National Association of Rocketry (NAR) and the
Hobby Industries of America (HIA) proposed the following two
changes to the Federal Air Regulations (FAR Part 101):

     1.   Change the model rocket liftoff weight from 1 lb
          (453 gm) to 3.3 lb (1500 gm).
     2.   Change the model rocket propellant mass from 4 oz
          (113 gm) to 4.4 oz (125 gm).

This proposal was made after an extensive technical study by the
NAR.  On September 10th after a seven year delay, the Federal
Aviation Administration (FAA) published its Notice of Proposed
Rulemaking (NPRM) in the Federal Register Vo. 57, No. 176, at p.
41628.

In summary the FAA's NPRM proposes the following:

     1.   Introduction of a "large model rocket" category for
          models which weigh more than 1 lb at liftoff but not
          more than 3.3 lb, and have between 4 oz and 4.4 oz of
          propellant.

          a.   "Large model rockets" flown outside five miles
               from an airport require notification of the
               nearest FAA Air Traffic Control (ATC) facility.
          b.   "Large model rockets" flown inside five miles of
               an airport require notification of the nearest FAA
               ATC and the airport manager.

The NAR has prepared a response to the FAA's NPRM.  It is the
position of the National Association of Rocketry that the May
1985 proposal stands on its own merit.  Studies commissioned by
both the FAA and NAR indicate that there is no increased hazard
to aircraft with the heavier models.

Notification is not required for model rockets.  It is the NAR's
position that notification should not be required for "large
model rockets."  In fact, the NAR feels there is no reason to
have a "large model rocket" category.

Public response to the FAA NPRM is due on or before December 9,
1992, and should be sent to the following address:

                 Federal Aviation Administration
                     Office of Chief Counsel
                 Attention:  Rules Docket AGC-10
                        Docket No. 26965
                  800 Independence Avenue S.W.
                    Washington, D.C.   20591

The NAR hopes you will carefully evaluate its official position
on the FAA NPRM.  The NAR hopes you will support and endorse this
position in writing.  You are encouraged to provide a written
response to the FAA at the above address.

To be the most effective it is important that all written
responses arrive at the FAA on or about December 8, 1992.  The
NAR will file its official position on that date, and the
coincident support from you will increase the effectiveness of
this position.

Thanks!


J. Patrick Miller, President
National Association of Rocketry
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