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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:08:15 GMT

>> Last time I checked, my 386sx-16 ran Windows just fine.
>
>That's funny, since my 486sx-20 runs (crawls, rather) when I'm using Windows.
>Which is as rarely as possible.  I'll take the speed of my A3000-16 running
>Workbench anytime, thanks.

	You're 486sx or your graphics card must be terrible then.  I'm 
   running WIN-OS2 ( the same thing as Win3.0 ) on a 33/486 and its pretty
   fast.  I'm using the Diamond Speedstar Plus graphics card also, which
   isn't exactly state of the art these days.  I can't believe that an 486sx
   would be that much slower then my 33/486.  

							G.Greene
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: bye
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 11:03:30 GMT

I've got a job and can't read this group anymore (at least until I can
get us onto Internet).  I'd just like to give my regards to all the people
I've talked to during the last 4 years of Uni.  

As an outgoing flame I'll say that I will never buy a PC clone in their 
current state.  Now I have to work with them I have a much clearer 
understanding of what a worthless piece of junk they are.  OS/2 is an
improvement, but I still prefer the Amiga.  If I do buy another machine,
it will definitely be an Amiga, but I don't think I really want to come
home and use a computer...

Anyway, goodbye and good luck to everybody in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy!

Reply by e-mail, as I am a months worth of articles behind with no time
to read them.

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Adams       Ex-Honours Student - James Cook University 
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 2MEG CHIP RAM (a problem?)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:51:03 GMT
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Michael van Elst (mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de) wrote:
: 
: Well, DOS emulation eats a lot as the Amiga would need to emulate a
: different processor. But VM isn't eating much memory (look at GigaMem)
: and the additional memory for DIG is just the driver code (maybe 20-30k).
:				       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So, how many DIG systems have you implemented?  Maybe Commodore should hire
you.  After all, they've been trying for 7 years to come up with that 20-30K.

:
: Michael van Elst
:
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Keywords: Ugly
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:58:15 GMT

In article <mac1.718648841@Ra.MsState.Edu>, mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
|> 
|>  Got my copy of Amiga World today. Well I have to admit this, the A4000
|>  thats on the cover looks like no computer I have ever seen. Its the ugliest
|>  of them all. Hell it even has a keyboard lock right in the middle of it, yuck 
|>  Hell its a big SQUARE BOX, no innovative design that we Amigans are used to.
|>  How many people share my disappointment ?

I'm completely disappointed in the A4000, but it's nothing to do with its
looks...

(which ARE pretty bad... I still want a minitower case...)

8)

|> Mubashir.
|> 
|> 

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From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Re: Why A3000 Owners Are Mad
Organization: University of New South Wales
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:43:57 GMT

Ace@auilcs0.UUCP (James Knowlton) writes:
: In article <1992Oct11.165828.18575@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
: 
: > The biggest constraint with upgrading the A3000 to A4000 capabilities is
: > certainly not the hardware, but rather the software. High performance video
: > graphics coprocessors (Resolver, Domino, EGS, Visiona etc.) are becoming
: > increasingly more prevalent, economical and arguably offer more than the
: > AGA chipset. It is not AGA which is the liability of the A3000, but rather
: > RTG. Had 3.0 incorporated device independent graphics, this discussion would
: > be moot.
: 
: Exactly!  With RTG/DIG the 3000 can easily have a display to put AGA to shame.
: And considering that as long as C= doesn't try to limit it to 4000+ machines
: (at least the 3000 and hopefully everything below) there could easily be a
: tremendous new user base, which means more development etc. etc....

  Don't even really need RTG, if you are prepared to rewrite graphics.library,
  GVP have already done this much !!
: 
: > They have. The current A3000 promotional pricing is $1499 US. Add a PP&S
: > A3000 '040 accelerator for $829 and you're only a marginal step away from
: > the A4000. Throw in a Domino card for $450 and you have a high-resolution
: > display.
: 
: Yep, besides the 4000 comes with a 25mhz 040, and the 33mhz has been available
: for a long time.  (40mhz 50mhz 60mhz, when???)  Yes, and considering that high
: resolution displays are becoming fairly common, you should be able to get some
: extrememly powerful cards for less money.

  I agree to a point, but when will you guys be satisfied. Lets face it you can
  emulate **anything** on a ZorroIII card with the proper software to drive it,
  you could put an alpha on a card, plug it in and run it as a unix box, but
  so what !! 
: 
: > This would have only restricted the capabilities of future platforms. What
: > does the AGA chipset offer that couldn't be accomplished with a Zorro III
: > card and RTG? Nothing.

  What does a dec station offer that couldn't be accomplished with a Zorro III
  card and RTG? Nothing -- so !@#$ what, doesn't mean that dec stations are
  worthless. What do you guys want, a 200mips processor 64 MEGS RAM,
  200 MEG HD, with 2Kx2K screens in 24-bit with 100KHz, 16-bit sound, 
  DSP, framegrabber and hardware video compression for under $500 US ??
  If you dont like the new machine don't !@#$ buy it, but please stop boring
  us with your "why C= has let us down" crap, we're sick of it !!

  -Trevor
From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Atari - more woes
Keywords: If the Falcon fails, it appears Atari will too.
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:51:50 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In an earlier article I wrote, I told you about how Atari was
closing its Texas branch office. Well, it appears the cuts go
even deeper. From Electronic Engineering Times (Oct 5, 1992 issue)

Atari said last week that it would trim its research and 
development division by nearly half and close three branch
offices. The consolidation will result in layoffs at facilities
in Texas, Illinois, and Taiwan. Atari's chief financial officer
August Liguori said the company has been suffering from lowered
sales and is under increasing pressures to control costs.

It appears that the Atari Falcon is truly a do-or-die effort
for the Atari Corporation.
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Its a sad sad day...
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:54:17 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Oct12.215846.13775@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Rick Kelly (root@rkamiga.UUCP) wrote:
>: 
>: I would bet that DEC will make more money selling Alpha boxes with VMS than
>: any other OS.
>: 
>: And I would bet that most R4000 users will want UNIX.
>: 
>
>True, but you're missing the point.  NT is not being made portable for people
>who have already decided to get an Alpha or R4000 machine.  Instead, Microsoft
>is thinking about the huge number of x86 owners who want their DOS/Windows
>applications, but are looking for performance which Intel does not provide.
>
>No, an Alpha/VMS or R4000/UNIX user isn't going to give NT a second thought.
>On the other hand, a DOS or Windows user won't buy a RISC machine unless it
>has NT.

On the other hand, the P5 may keep a lot of people away from the RISC market.

Also, you have to take a look at Univel and SVR4.2.  A UNIX system with
netware that runs all DOS and Windows apps will probably look pretty
good to companies with a large investment in Novell software.

The Veritas file system of SVR4.2 does a sync() on last write.  This will
allow a secretary to turn on her PC, log in, type wp and write a letter,
save the letter, and turn off the machine.  Also, when the machine boots
up, it will come up with an X windows session running.

If you're interested, I can mail you the SVR4.2 propaganda sheet.

--
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		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Keywords: Reverse Enginneering AGA - can it be done?
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:21:24 GMT

u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:

>bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:

>[some nice points on chipset]

>Just some questions... if KS3.x has faster graphics primitives,
>faster directory handling etc... why don't commodore put it in as
>standard on the Amiga600?  The quicker we can get rid of this 2.04
>stuff the better :)

>Just some thoughts [from a pathological hardware basher :)] -
>surely CBM should not supply any machines with CPU's  below about
>the 68030@16 [32bit bus], if they want people to stop bashing the hardware
>on the "games" / "demos" side.  Particularly the days of chipram only
>machines should be discarded.  I can possibly see the need for the
>current ECS,68000,A600, KS3.0 class of machines to support the lower end -
>but please no CPU crippled AGA machines.

>Now a nice machine would be an AGA+030 [no HD :)] for about $600 US
>running say KS3.0 (with some bloody decent fonts in rom!) - ie extend
>the rom with some features to make a diskless amiga almost possible :)

>[if text viewers etc... were in rom... we wouldnt need these silly "what
>path should i use" sorts of arguments now would we :)]

>One final thing...

>	PLEASE NO BLOODY 68020 BASED MACHINES! [AAAAAARG :)]

Why Not ??? A 68020 14MHZ is not much slower than a 68030 16MHZ
and it's a lot cheaper...to establish a new low-end Amiga you must
offer enough power to get some US game companies back and that
is as cheap as possible. A 68020 system would work well....

Regards...
-- 
Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re:  Essence of flame
Keywords: homonyms, spelling checkers
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:37:24 GMT

In article <35902@cbmvax.commodore.com>, lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com (John W. Lockhart - Product Assurance) writes:
|> 
|> This brings up an interesting point:  spelling checkers are of limited
|> use.  The funniest example I've seen was posted in rec.humor.funny,
|> submitted by Alan Munn.  The original was anonymously scrawled on a
|> blackboard at Purdue. 
|>     
|>     SpellBound
|> 
|>     I have a spelling checker
|>     It came with my PC;
|>     It plainly marks four my revue
|>     Mistakes I cannot sea.
|>     I've run this poem threw it
|>     I'm sure your pleased too no.
|>     It's letter perfect in it's weigh.
|>     My checker tolled me sew.
|>           -- Pennye Harper
|> 
|> (No, I'm not trying to be picky; I just wanted to share an amusing
|> observation.  I'm also amused by the use of 'spell checker' for
|> 'spelling checker':  does the former help to ensure that you've
|> correctly gone through the motions of casting your magic-missle 
|> spell?  :-)
|> 
|>   -- John

Well, now we know what Commodore people do with their free time... so, how's
the A5000 coming, John???

8)

|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> John Lockhart, lockhart@cbmvax.commodore.com; BIX: jlockhart
|> Product Assurance Group, Software Engineering, Commodore
|> Working for, but not speaking for, Commodore.

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences-
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:57:07 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

In article <1992Oct1.193333.4927@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack) writes:
>
>>I thought it was so neat when Carrier Command (from WAY back) worked greate
>>on my 68030 / 2.04 Amiga 2000 -- someone back then new how to write proper
>>software. Even if it doesn't install on my harddrive :(
>
>Wait, you sure about that?  How come my version of Carrier Command doesn't 
>work with my 020/030???

Rainbird had different versions of the same game.  My version, for instance,
runs fine on my 020 but will not load/save a game.  They released a fixed
version of this just before they closed shop -- I never got the fix :-(
When they sold out to Medalist (aka Microprose) all support was dropped for
the Amiga version.

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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: a4000 and intuition...
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:51:38 GMT
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden

jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard) writes:

>there's a rumor around here that the 3.0 rom has been partially re-written and
>optimized for the 68040.  can anybody confim/deny this????

  Well, the only part where this would pay off is in the math libraries, and I
suspect that those are indeed 040-optimized. No other area of the OS would 
benefit very much from 040-optimization however, so I doubt CBM would take the
additional risks (and costs) of making 040-specific code. It just doesn't make
any sense.
-- 
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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:23:25 GMT
 <1992Sep28.065533.4366@desire.wright.edu> <35535@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <35535@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.065533.4366@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
[zap]
> > 	Will an A2091 with 5.92 roms work in the A4000?
> 
> Not sure about that ROM rev - you might have to get it upgraded.  Note that
> while the A2091 will work, it's not a very competitive SCSI controller these
> days.  You might want to check out third party offerings or wait to see
> what develops in the way of Zorro-III SCSI cards.

Well, I always considered the A2091 a pretty good card until you upgrade to
a system with 32-bit memory.  At that point, you're probably better off
with a PIO card (like the AdSCSI or TCPro), since DMA controllers of all
kinds tend to get sustained throughput of around ~50-100K/sec under those
conditions.  (BUT in an A2620/30 setup, where the 32-bit memory is in
Zorro2 space, the DMA controllers are quite nice...)

Glenn Doiron
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From: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: -MB- -> Good guy!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:24:03 GMT
Reply-To: jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

>In article <1992Sep22.030445.18781@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP) writes:
>> In article <bruce.0aqr@zuhause.MN.ORG> bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht) writes:
>> >
>> >I sincerely doubt that Marc Barrett's posting have any influence on anything
>> >Commodore does.

	You'd be right too (except maybe to influence us to be annoyed with
him, personally).  MB's effect on Commodore the company is probably like that
of a gnat on an elephant.

>  One the other hand, a nationally syndicated columnist like
>> >Philip Robinson probably does.  My guess is that the "Is Amiga Dead?" column
>> >was a major kick in the butt.  Judging from some of the comments in the British
>> >Amiga magazines, Commodore had been planning to introduce the A4000 in September
>> >or October since late July or early August.

	The Robinson article had no effect on A4000 plans that I know of -
which isn't suprising if you know anything about product development cycles.
(other than maybe to get him inivited to the launch.)

>> However, Marc's posting did draw Amiga's engineer attention. I saw some
>> of his message were replied by 3-4 different Amiga's engineer to point
>> out his fault.

	True it did - because we were having such a GOOD time roasting him,
once we could finally talk publicly.  It's annoying having to hold back from
toasting him (and others spreading rumors) because we can't tell people
what's really happening.

	Also, he managed to make that post one of his worst.  I think 4 or 5
people nailed him from here, and all on different sets of items.

	Ah, catharsis.  :-)

	(BTW, I've been silent since then since I've been on vacation.)

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From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:25:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <Per_Salmi.0dpz@augs.se> Per_Salmi@augs.se (Per Salmi) writes:
> At that time the Quadras had serious problem with running System 7 OS 
but it worked great on an A3000 with 040 accelerator and even faster than 
the Quadras! The salesman was very proud when telling me these thing as he 
liked the thought of Quadras not being able to run it own OS. :-)

Sigh....  You imply that the Quadras can run System 7 just fine today, but 
could not some time ago.   The Quadras have never had a problem running 
System 7.0.1, the OS they originally shipped with.  This is the same 
version of the OS they are shipping with _today_.   How could the same 
hardware running the same software suddenly become magically compatible 
without any changes being made (granting, of course, your original 
assumption of incompatibility)?  If you believe what an Amiga salesperson 
says about a Quadra, I've got some swampland I'd like to sell you. :)  In 
my experience, most salespeople for one type of computer, are incredibly 
ignorant about most other types of computers (and this goes for 
salespeople for Macs, Amigas, PCs, etc.....).

- Dale Adams
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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: a4000 and intuition...
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:31:13 GMT

In article <Bw2p8D.5MF@unccsun.uncc.edu> jagrizza@uncc.edu writes:
>there's a rumor around here that the 3.0 rom has been partially re-written and
>optimized for the 68040.  can anybody confim/deny this????
>
>
>
>

	The version I have seen works fine on a 68000 A500.
		George

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: NT on CD ROM only? -> was Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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JIMMY FANG (10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: >
: >How do you pirate a 600MB CD-ROM?
: >
: 
: Are you saying to run NT you need a CD rom player as well?  Gosh, are 
: Microsoft trying to create their own market, or bundle their OS with a free
: computer?  How many people have a 486 dx with 8meg+ RAM *AND* CD rom player?
: So your config files go to the HD and every single driver known to man goes 
: on the CD?
: 

Whoa, hold on there.  The current NT "pre-beta" development kit is only
available on CD (for $70 or so).  The final product will be much smaller
(no development system, no massive on-line docs) and will ship on floppies.
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