From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: A question on this Armenia stuff...
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:45:14 GMT
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In <9208160041.A3750CM@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com writes:

  This is NOT the same person who responded to my earlier posts.  I do not
believe it.  The style is different, the word use is different, the insults are
different--and I think the writer is different.  There is something approaching
reason and logic here, that was wholly absent before.  And no massive quote
from some 1918-era document, either.

> <1992Aug14.144418.2831@menudo.uh.edu>
> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
> 
> >> Don't take things that aren't yours.
> 
> >  I might say the same.  In fact I will: "Don't take things that aren't yours."
> 
> Can't you see a little difference in terms of culpability? The 
> Turkish historic homelands, emptied of its native population
> until today, remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenian Government.

  Not to mention the Armenians.  What shall we do with them?

> >> Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated
> >> adult terms and apply it to your life or your work or your government
> >> or your world and it holds true and clear and firm.
> 
> >  Threats are usually illegal and immoral--a freely entered contract is not.
> >No one has threatened to kill me for not working.  You logic is brittle and
> >shivers aprt easily under pressure.
> 
> I am forced to disagree with you. Why? For nearly one thousand years, 
> the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one 
> hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The 
> persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks and
> Hunchaks) planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 
> 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out 
> of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands 
> were empty of Turks and Kurds. 
> 
> And the Muslims who died in the Turkish Genocide did nothing.

  This is not the same point I responded to originally.  But I'll answer
what's here.  The turks still have a homeland.  It is known as Turkey.
The kurd inhabit the region called Kurdistan, running through Afghanistan,
Iran, Iraq and Turkey.  They like it enough to revolt every so often to make
it independent.  It would seem they are not pining for Armenia.

  And if you think people deserve to take back an area just becuase they used 
to live there, you're crazed.

> >> I venture to guess that you take a nap every afternoon.
> 
> >  Yes, but don't tell my manager.  You have failed to answer the question.
> 
> Well, stability itself is nothing else than a mere sluggish motion.

  This is cute.  Delete the question, and still avoid ansering it.  Was my
argument (that you called old and tired) any more so than the 1914-1920 era
documents you continually pour forth?

> >> Well, the examined life is no picnic.
> 
> >  You continue to dodge.  Who gets the land and the $$ reparations?  The 
> >	victims are still dead.
> 
> The relatives of the victims.

  At least this is a real answer.  Now, how are we to prove that these people
realyy are relatives of the victims?  And what happens to the displaced 
Armenians--currently guilty of nothing beyond living all thier lives in what
you claim is Turkish land?  Where do they go?  Who shall compensate them?

> >> Not at all. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the 
> >> whole world - had cookies and milk about three o'clock every afternoon 
> >> and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Wake up and smell the 
> >> Turkish coffee.
> 
> >  This so-called answer does not answer anything.  Cute rejoinders do not a 
> >debate make.  Is not your desire impractical, and if not, how so?
> 
> See above.

  The impracticality of this has not yet been adequately addressed.

> >> Now think what a better world it would be if all governments had
> >> as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them
> >> and to clean up their own mess. And no crime should go unpunished.
> 
> >  If it was the same government that existed in 1919, perhaps.  If there were
> >any left alive from that government, perhaps.  You've yet to explain how you
> >intend to punish dead men.
> 
> X-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims 
> by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds.

  Admitting to a crime perpetrated by someone else is in itslef a crime.  And
I doubt any X-soviet government is in a position to make reparations to its
own citizens, much less anybody else.

> Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine 
> their own future as a nation in their own homeland.
> Fair enough?

  So what do we do with the Armenians?

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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