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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 15:00:50 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan05.084506.21731@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
>>
>>Just a bread for thoughts:  You cannot simply use no. of bowl wins to
>>determine which conference is the toughest/best.  Say, may be a
>>conference which having 6 teams in bowl games and win 5 of
>>them because most of them are playing nobody in these bowl games.
>>
>>- Louis
>>
>>
>EXCUSE ME!   NOBODY in the BOWL games!!!!
>
>The # 1 ranked team in the country is nobody.
>Bama played Miami. Ranked higher.
>Florida played the #2 team in  the ACC. NC ST. ranked higher than FL.
>Georgia played the #2 team in the Big 10.
>Tenn. played a BC team that was undefeated going into the last two games 
>of the season and ranked higher than Tenn.
>MISS ST #6 in conf played NC; #3 in conf and ranked higher.
>
>I'll give you one... Ole Miss played Air Force!
>
>Dale Robbins
>SEC --- where football is defined.
>
>ps. If you would like too we could look at the powerhouses that played in other
>bowl matchups.
>
>

Oh come on Dale!  Did I ever say the SEC teams played nobody in the bowl
games?  Quote it!  The original netter only said SEC has the best bowl
game winning percentage this year and immediately jump to the conclusion
that SEC is the best.  I(like a lot of netters around) overlooked SEC 
and I said you cannot simply using winning percentage for that judgement.
I have never said SEC played nobody in the bowl games this year.  NEVER.

Since then, I received many letters and postings, nasty and all, to
tell me better reasons why SEC is the best conf. and I am convinced.

So before getting agitated, don't get me wrong.


- Louis Pang



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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: Cooper Wuss! Smith! Ohio St
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:08:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.162936.11956@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>
> [...]
>An all-time stupid comment from the Sunday Columbus Dispatch [...]

     Now, Pat, isn't this an exaggeration? Sure, it was a dumb comment, but is 
it dumb enough to qualify for an "all-time stupidity from the Dispatch" award?
That paper has printed some pretty high-quality idiocy over the years. Oh, if 
I'd only saved the clippings... :-)

>>But at least Ohio State had more National Merit Scholars this
>>year than any other Big 10 school.
>
>Not too surpising actually when you consider that Ohio State has more students
>than any other Big Ten school . . .

     And that President Gee has spent a considerable sum of money to pay for
full scholarships for all NMS's that come to Ohio State. The university is also
now going all-out to promote itself to NMS's. Yup. We've got our priorities 
straight...

     ObFootball: I think Ohio State is better off without Smith than they are 
with him. If all he is going to do is bitch and whine, his attitude will end up
hurting the team more than his running will help it. We've got good running 
backs in Columbus; what we need in this town is more people who will be 
positive about the program. I've decided to stop griping about Cooper; he's not
such a bad coach. I stopped going to Buckeye games after '89 because I felt 
that the team wasn't trying out there (I was a Block "O" -- Pep Club for 
non-OSUers -- officer before then); maybe I was wrong. I don't know. But I'll 
try my best to be positive about the program from now on. We'll see what 
happens.
     Go Bucks!

                                        Steve
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From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:58:10 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:01:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.175823.19092@Princeton.EDU> Frank Bilotti,
frank@wanda.princeton.edu writes:
>Peace Norm,
>	FRANK

and peace to you too Frank.
Norman

>__________________________________________
>Go 'Canes & Cowboys

The Cowboys.... now that explains everything....   :-)

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
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From: kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: 'Bama in the computer rankings
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:00:17 GMT

 I would like to know how Bama has done in all the computer polls out there.
 Sagarin, NY Times and Dendy have the Tide # 1.

I am still recovering from the most awesome football weekend ever (at least for
me :-)). Alabama destroyed you know who and the Bills pulled out the greatest
comeback ever! WOW!

Ramana
Roll Tide!

FSU 1993 pre-season #1 (Anyone but 'Bama!)
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama Schedule
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:36:42 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley) wrote:
}
}Except for being re-ordered it is the same as 1992. What happened to
}the rotation of SEC games? I thought bama would replace So. Car with
}another SEC east team - Fl or Ga or Ky?? What gives?

You have to play the teams from the other divsion home and away 
before rotating opponents.  So all the teams play the same league
slate they did last year, with just the sites switched.  Then in
1994, they will rotate to the next opponent from the other division.

-- 
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   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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From: roy@proteus.b11.ingr.com (Roy Passmore)
Subject: Re: Alabama football
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, Al.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:07:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161732.24725@b11.b11.ingr.com>, gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley) writes:
|> Netters should know that some bama fans are enjoying the season
|> without talking down the other team.

|> I don't have anything bad to say in public about miami.The Bear wouldn't 
|> have, Gene Stalling didn't,  and to paraphrase another very great man "you
                                                                          ^^^^
|> don't have to tell them,  they already know."
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
|> bama played miami and the game was/is its own best statement.

|> Roll Tide!!
   
   Ditto... couldn't said it better.

-- 

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   roy@proteus.b11.ingr.com
From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Another going pro....
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:11:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

Nebraska IB Derek Brown has declared himself eligable for the
NFL draft.  The jr had > 1000 yards again this season,  splitting
time with so IB Calvin Jones.  

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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: More Bowl comments
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:10:09 GMT

In article <jSc=_K-@engin.umich.edu>, hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes:
|>                                                                   Mo
|> >is now 2-1 in bowls since taking over for Bo (he lost a couple 
|> >subbing for Bo back when he was offensive coordinator).  
|> 
|> Check this for me.  Michigan won the Hall of Fame Bowl in '88(I
|> think) when Mo was subbing for Bo.  Remember that forth down pass
|> from Taylor/Brown(I don't remember which one) to Kolesar(sp?).
|> A good game and a victory over Alabama.

Yep, I think you're right about Mo coaching that one.  I got the years
wrong when thinking of when Bo missed his second bowl.  I confused when
Michigan lost the Rose in 1987 to Arizona State to the 1988 Hall of Fame
Bowl win.  Mo did lose Michigan's 1972 Rose Bowl when Bo was in the 
hospital, right? (it was either that one or the 1970 Rose that Mo lost)

BTW, Michigan is now 6-9 in all Rose Bowls and Washington goes to 6-5-2 for
their Rose Bowl appearances.

|> John Hajel

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Feeding a blowhard some humble pie
Keywords: One of the "J's"
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:50:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.173955.18076@news2.cis.umn.edu> rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd) writes:
>	[Much wind deleted...]
>>
>>I will never forget Teague running down Thomas and stealing the ball from
>>him.  Bill Oliver (Bama Def. Cord.) said "it was the greatest individual
>>effort he had ever seen".  Me Too!!!
>>
>	I imagine (hope) we'll see that play become part of highlight history
>just behind the Stanford band play.  This was a thing of beauty.  It was more
>than a thing of beauty - it was THE most amazing performance I've ever seen as
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No, no, I believe that honor goes to that amazing catch made by O. J. McDuffy
(sp?) of Penn State a few years back. THAT was a truly amazing feat!

>well as being a thing of beauty.  I wish I had that baby on tape.  8^)
>
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>bkrrrrr                    /\     || 2-Miami 6-Georg 10-Stan 14-Color 18-WshSt
>brooks@ast1.spa.umn.edu __/__\__  || 3-FlaSt 7-Michi 11-Wash 15-OhioS 19-NCStU
>(128.101.221.1)          /    \   || 4-NotrD 8-Syrac 12-Nebr 16-Missi 20-NCaro
>====-----=-----=-----=-----=-----====-----=-----==-----=-----==-----=-----====

Kevin
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:30:21 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan7.190525.29800@spdc.ti.com> lilley@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Shannon Lilley) writes:
>In article <^t#@byu.edu> zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
>>
>>There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
>>doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
>>graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
>>don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.
>>
>>Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
>>not educate.
>>
>>There, just my 25 cents worth.
>>
>>Steve
>Because the NFL has already been told by their lawyers that they would be sued
>by college players who wanted to come out early and they (NFL) would lose.
>This was established several years ago.

What I don't liek is the fact that the NCAA gives the kids a one-way road to 
travel. If a kid declares for the draft... and does not get drafted.. why the
hell shouldn't he be allowed to return to school and continue to compete for 
his alma mater (to be) ???  I really don't  understand that ... I mean, that 
would really give kids an incentive not to take all that money from the low-life
agents who talk them up to the point where they think their shit don't stink.
If they get passed in the draft... there should be a message there... go back 
and get more seasoning, kid! As it stands.. the kids who come early (as in they
have no fucking business coming out) are stuck once they do so. 

Also, if a kid is cut in training camp before they ever play in an NFL game 
then let them go back and play with the children another year even if they 
DO get drafted. This might be hard to work out with all the money that changes
hands when kids get signed but it seems unfair that these kids get left out in
the cold if they truly come out before they're ready. I remember a stat some 
years ago about underclassmen in the NBA and it indicated that fewer than one 
third of them actually made an NBA team. Considering what a small operation the 
NBA is this is not surprising... this is sad because they've given up their 
eligibility and if they don't make the big time... they cannot afford to 
finish school either... 


-- 
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From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:32:28 GMT

I was curious as to how many SEC fans such as myself pulled
for Miami to beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?  Why?  Because
if you've every been to a game with Alabama fans, you would
know they act in person just like the ones woofing about
this year's Sugar Bowl win.

Any other SEC fans who turned Miami fans for a day?

Bill
From: rnjx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Worst Announcer
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:54:09 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Worst announcer in football?  It can't be Keith Jackson---he's harmless.
Musberger is just annoying.  Todd Christensen, on the other hand, is
offensive.  Anyone who watched the Fiesta Bowl had the (dis)pleasure of
hearing his ``color'' commentary.  That color must be black.  He has the
most soporific, deadpan delivery, seems to feel no excitement at all
with what he's doing, and constantly denigrates the players' achievements
on the field.  The way he analyzes plays, you get the impression that no one
ever does anything well; good things happen to one team only when the other
team commits some egregious error.  Get a life, buddy.  Maybe he can wander
off to broadcasters' purgatory to play gin with Joe Namath...
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Florida IS the College Football State!
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:10:43 GMT

In article <ron_frank.lds.loral.com-080193122700@sps156.lds.loral.com> ron_frank.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank) writes:
>There is a lot of discussion on who the college football state is.  Let the
>statistics show that, of recent, it has been and still is the state of
>Florida!  This year's results - having all three of the colleges in the top
>ten - demonstrates this.  Miami and FSU have been found in the top five in
>the past several years.  Both of these teams play against each other each
>year.  Florida won the SEC last year, and came close this year against
>Alabama. It too must play FSU each year.  Miami won the Big East (no big
>feat - save Syracuse), FSU won the ACC (the four ACC teams in the bowls
>this year went 3-1), and Florida was runner-up in the SEC (Alabama:
>National Champs, and the SEC went 5-1 in their bowl games).  In fact, the
>bowl losses for the ACC and SEC were against each other!
>
>The fact that Texas and California export more high school football players
>than Florida proves that there are a lot of good high school players in
>those states,  but not college players!!  Look at the win/loss percentage
>of Texas and California colleges versus Florida colleges.  How did the Pac
>Ten and the SWC do in their respective bowls this year?  It may shed some
>light!
>
>I am sorry that some of us out here in NetLand don't have access to Texas
>newspapers.  Regardless, a bit of bias is expected.

Do you have a library?   :-P

Sorry, when you can put 3 teams in the top 10 and have at least *8* 
Div IA teams in your state, and you don't import your talent from 
Mississippi, Georgia, and Texas, then I will be impressed.

cmuck


Hell, I bet there are more Ohio athletes on Div IA rosters than Florida
athletes...   :-)  (Be sure you count ALL of the Div IA schools in Ohio
before you spout off)

Florida is able to have great teams, because their pie isn't getting 
sliced nine different ways.  Thinking about it, why the hell are you 
importing ANY players?
>
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From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A PAC-10 fan in depression
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:09:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <DOEL.93Jan4091325@bbq.bae.bellcore.com> doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>
>I don't know.  Maybe it's because nobody has been struck by stray bullets
>while on a recruiting trip to Washington.  Blame Larry Smith all you want,
>but being located in the heart of south central Los Angeles (i.e. where the
>riots originated) has to make it difficult to recruit people who didn't grow
>up in that atmosphere.

Actually, I would think that many people who *did* grow up in that atmosphere
would like to escape it!  That is one reason why Steve Broussard (who
went from WSU to the Falcons a few years ago) chose WSU, and I'm sure
it was a factor for others (e.g., Anthony McClanahan chose it partly because
he can hunt pheasant ten minutes from his dorm).
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Marvin Jones to NFL
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:04:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.144901.14753@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>Well folks at FSU (not Fresno State), your precious Marvin

*SIGH* We'll miss him.

>Jones is gone.  Hopefully your defense will be able to back up
>that Number One ranking which it will have at the beginning of

What number one ranking? 'Bama will be number one next year.

>next season.  Even though I don't like your team coming in and
>immediately running away with the ACC championship, I still
>have to support you guys when you represent the conference so
>well in the national rankings........BTW, your basketball team
>is overrated.

Not overrated, just undermaned at the present. Our problems stem from having
four players gone to injury or football. Chuck Graham is out for the season,
Andre Reid (ok, so he aint that big a deal) is still out with a broken hand,
Charlie Ward just got back from the football team and won't be in hoops shape
for a bit, and Doug Edwards is still bothered by his injury (though he is
playing...well, trying to play).

>
>Bill

Kevin

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From: kollur@jec321.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: 'Bama in the computer rankings
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:09:03 GMT

In article <79162@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>kollur@aix.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri) wrote:
>}
>}The Times ranking , IMO, seems closer to the polls then other computer
>}rankings because the Times considers opponents record only till the
>}point they play a given team, i.e. If you play a 5-0 Penn State team in Week 6
>}you get a lot of credit for it even if Penn State goes on to lose 5 of
>}their next seven. How your opponents do after they play you will not affect
>}your ranking ...
>}If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. 
>
>I believe you are wrong.  What the NYT does with the records which
>is different from some other ratings is to throw out the opponent-vs-opponent
>games in the record of a team's opponents.  (Is that clear enough?)
>So for instance the .500 record of a conference's teams against
>one another do not add in to the Combined Opponents' Record total.
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>

After seeing your post I went back and checked the Jan 3rd issue of NYT.
Under opponents performance for Alabama it says:
opponents record 47-27-1
Avg. margin of victory(opponents) 5.3

At the bottom of the table is the following statement:
    
     *The opponents' won-loss record and average margin of
      victory show how each ranked team's opponents performed
      in all their games before they played the ranked team.
 

Based on this I assumed that how a team does *after* they play you
does not affect your ranking.

Anyway it really does not matter because 'Bama seems to be #1 by
any system of ranking!

Ramana
Roll Tide!
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:28:02 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:

}>I see. I thought the Bama posters would have more *class* than the
}>Miami posters and not talk trash. I must have been mistaken. From
}>here, I can't tell the difference between the two anymore. 

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) wrote:
}
}I agree.  The trash talk from the 'Bama fans doesn't make them look
}too good.  Yes, they had to endure the same from the 'Canes fans, but
}now they've dragged themselves down to same level.  Trash talk is
}trash talk, regardless of how deserving the recipent is.

I guess that makes your comments about 'Bama fans "trash talk"
as well then, right?  So you guys are no better either?

-- 
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   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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