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From: fjohnson@busboys.rutgers.edu (Floyd Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: GI Joe episodes--the "films"
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:54:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

My memory is a little fuzzy on the miniseries ("film length") GI Joe
episodes (these may have qualified for OAV status). I know of these,
in order of airing  

1. The pilot (no subtitle):Joe and Cobra forces travel around the
world to secure three "catalysts of matter" for a teleportation
device. 

2. "The Revenge Of Cobra":Cobra steals a "Laser Core", using it to
power a Weather Dominator. The device is turned against itself, and
its three main components end up in different parts of the world. (I
think this one introduced Zartan and the Dreadnocks.)

3. "The Pyramid of Darkness":Launched the half-hour syndicated series.
Cobra sets up an energy-damping field around the Earth, the pinnacle
being a satellite. (There's a really cool sequence--well, to a
14-year-old--between Lady Jaye and Flint during a battle.)

4. "Arise, Serpentor! Arise!":Convinced that the Cobra Commander is
basically insane, Dr. Mindbender begins work on a composite clone,
based on the DNA of the major military figures in history. This one
introduced Sgt. Slaughter, who is also "sampled"; this is why only he
could kick Serpentor's ass--I think there's a scene in which
characters are placing bets on the outcome of their tussle.

5. GI Joe:The Movie (This may be incorrect.):According to you netfolk,
they originally had in mind a script entitled, "The Most Dangerous Man
in America". The script that made it to the storyboard artists,
however, reveals the true nature of the Cobra Commander:he's
apparently an alien, disfigured by a lab accident. This also
introduces Duke Hauser's (half?) brother, 2Lt. Falken as at first a
screw-up, then a trainee under Sgt. Slaughter, and finally the guy who
takes Serpentor down. It seems to prepare us for the DIC series, as we
also meet Serana (sp?)



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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: Kevin Kline
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:59:21 GMT

In article <Bz6pD1.MC5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>After a week of reading posts I just have to say this:
>
>Kevin, if you use slut in a post one more time, I'm
>going to have to hunt you down and shoot you.

Never fear m'lady, I'm sure you won't have to drop to such levels.  If Mr. 
Kline continues with his 'style' of speech, I'm sure a number of us will
gladly jump to your service and hunt him down ourselves. :)

K. Kline writes:
> I wouldn't call this slapstick-like comedy at all!  Slapstick is like what
> is in LOONEY TUNES, ....

As a fan of the classic WB, I would request they are not brought into this
discussion.  I would personally like to distince WB, myself and any other 
WB fans from Mr. Klines remarks.

Seriously Kevin, I beseech you.  Expressing your opinion is one
thing, but to express it in such vulgar fashion over and over and over...
We are all on this group to discuss animation and will gladly debate with
you on any number of topics, but diplomacy is needed.

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler
           - wherever you are, that's where I'll be...

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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Re: Return of the Transformer Toys
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.073028.23918@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>In article <fletch.724131301@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>>
>>>Four Autobots will be released.
>>
>>	Why only four!!?!?!?!?!??
>
>Don't wanna flood the market.  Think about what happened last time.
  They started releasing really bad toys, and people refused to buy them?
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From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: anime songs (Re: Kevin-style Aladdin review (thanks Ryan!))
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:01:48 GMT

In article <n11aft@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
#  HD> Many songs (OP, ED, and other) from anime have become hit songs.
# BTW, do you know
# what (from your opinion) would be the most popular hit song off of a
# Japanimation feature that made it big in Japan?  

Odoru Ponpokorin (BB Queen) from Chibi Maruko
It was either the number 1 or numbe 2 song for 1990.
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From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: BTAS: prime time
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:43:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.082705.26425@netcom.com> opcarr@netcom.com (Onny Carr) writes:
>mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller) writes:
>: 
>: Prime time premiere -- "I am the Night"
>: 
>: Brrrrr, they sure started off with a dark one.  Too dark, I think.
>: "Nothing to Fear" is just as good, a little lighter, and more in keeping
>: with the rest of the series.  I suppose Fox figured that most adults
>: tuning in would expect the movie, but NtF is, IMO, closer to the movie.
>
>I thought Fox chose the right episode to kick off BTAS's prime time
>lineup.  I think this is the episode everybody was raving about 
>(with possible exception of Heart of Ice) for a while--and one of
>the few episodes I missed.
>
>I would guess that some of the more darker episodes would be
>re-aired in this timeslot.

But "I am the Night" is the very darkest episode.  I didn't say I wouldn't
air it, I just wouldn't start off with it, because it might give the
wrong impression.

>
> [some stuff deleted]
> ......  I rather like Mr. Freeze, and the Mad Hatter,
>and Clayface.  Their crimes were executed with a clear purpose in
>mind, be it revenge or love.  Other characters who are just running
>amuck with no purpose should be tossed out for all I care.  By this, 
>I refer specifically to the Joker.  He's the WORST!
>
>-opc-

I liked the Mr. Freeze character, I just wish he didn't have that silly
physiological gimmick.  The Mad Hatter doesn't have any superpowers.  I rate 
his character as above average.  I wasn't impressed by Clayface at all.
One homocidal maniac in Gotham City is ok.  The problem is that the Joker
hasn't had any good stories.

My favorite character is Scarecrow.

-- 
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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  03:37:32

 HD> What is usually classified as "girls with guns" is considered kids
 HD> stuff in Japan, and many non-fans don't care if it exists or not.
 HD> It's just another cartoon.  It won't hurt animation in general.
 HD> The other porn anime may hurt animation, but there still isn't
 HD> enough to make ordinary people do anything about it.
 HD> Since there will always be much more "kid's" anime and that doesn't
 HD> look like it is dying out, I don't think there is 
 HD> anything to worry about.
 HD> With manga, since there is much more available, some of it is
 HD> getting censored, taken out of bookstores, etc.

 HD> # Personally, I see ANIME as just a fad that is destined to die out
 HD> # in the US unless the *good stuff* (which Mr. Conty and others have
 HD> # mentioned) becomes more available in English-
 HD> subtitled or dubbed formats.  
The "girls with guns" crap is really considered kids stuff in Japan!  That's
NEWS to me!  It seemed like that "girls with guns" junk with the saucered-eye 
girls was the stuff they were mentioning as "more mature, not just kids stuff, 
shows females can stand up for themsleves, more complex story"... Hmmm... even 
over at rec.arts.anime I get the feeling that the "girls with guns" stuff is
the stuff they are talking as being more mature and more complex than American 
animation (and they also think the "Girls with guns" stuff is NOT kids
stuff!).  That is encouraging to see though that even the Japanese themselves 
seem to think "girls with guns" is really kiddie stuff.  So that means the
more mature stuff isn't "Girls with guns" but the stuff like Miyazaki, Robot
Carnival, Akira (even if it is spilled red ink all over the animation with
blood and gore), and the better stuff Japanimation has to offer.
 HD> Anime is meant for Japanese audiences anyways.
 HD> It doesn't matter if it is popular or not in the US,
 HD> until the US takes over Japan and rewrites the laws again.
 HD> Also it's mostly for kids, and most people outgrow anime.

 HD> # The mediocre stuff that anyone can get in your local comic store or
 HD> # video place is just not going to last.  Even though the average 
 HD> # consumer is typically a cultural moron, well written, well animated,
 HD> # meaningful shows will always be more successful in the long run.

 HD> What is "more successful"?
 I think he means that the well written, well animated shows will be more
successful in the long run. 

--- Maximus 2.00
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Anime will destroy animation as we know it... NOT!!!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:11:11 GMT

In article <n11act@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>  I can see where bad anime can hurt the animation industry... It is because
> animation isn't quite established here in this country (despite the 3 recent
> Disney animated films) and if we continue to allow trash like "girls with
> guns" and bloody violence to continue.  It will turn off many people to
> animation and you could be looking at an animation drought.

I have to disagree.  The reason animation isn't as accepted as other artforms
is that people still view it as "kid stuff".  And why is that?  Because
most (if not all) animation produced in this country IS either kid stuff
or equally immature pseudo-adult crap (yes, I'm dissing Bashki)!!

If you want animation to thrive the way it has elsewhere, you have to
diversify.  You have to provide not just the "family entertainment"
stuff, but also real-life drama, SF, action-adventure, "art" films,
etc.  Yes, that also includes the "girls with guns" B-movie genre,
and even animated "porn".  Something for everyone.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that anime will HELP animation in this
country, by interesting people who wouldn't give half a glance to the
inane TV pap in your typical video-store's shelves.  Anectdotal evidence:
MYSELF.  If it weren't for stuff like AKIRA and ORANGE ROAD and LAPUTA,
I'd never have had the interest in animation I have now...
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From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:47:25 GMT

In article <n112et@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

> [...Beautiful Dreamer...]

> The other [not Lum] female characters are
> nothing but saucered-eye sluts (sorry to say) that don't do much.

Big eyes = slut.  Huh???

> I was very disappointed with this, needless to say... To see a bunch of wimpy 
> guys get bossed around by Lum and most of the other female characters (all
> saucered-eye).

What's wrong with that?

>   This does NOTHING to dispell the notion that Japanimation is
> "saucered-eye girls" that act macho.  It only ENHANCES it.  

And your point is?

>   As for the last video, Orange Road vol. 1, was unfortantly was just about
> the exact opposite of "Nadia" in that it was FILLED with saucered-eye girls
> (and it was HORRIBLE, they had up to like 5-6 white specs in each eye at
> times).

Perhaps you should just put a Spec-O-Meter line at the end of your reviews
instead of constantly making obnoxious comments about it.  You've really driven
it into the ground by now.

>  The main guy acted like a complete wimp

Big deal.

> (and saucered-eye)  

Big deal.

> and there
> was this one saucered-eye slut (have to call her that)

Why?

> that did things that suggested she was a lesbian!!!!!

Big deal.

>[..rest of post deleted since it is about the same...]

Kevin, you are obnoxious and your main point is simply that you have a very
conservative attitude.  I respect your personal tastes for entertainment,
but you are so intent on bad-mouthing anything that doesn't conform to them
that I have a hard time taking you seriously.  Especially when you go on for
the nth time about your dislike of the "complex" eye style in many anime
features.  We've heard you before.  Many times.  Many, many times.  It is
getting monotonous.  I know several people personally that _agree_ with you
about it; they don't like that style either...but they can simply say that
_once_, at the beginning of a conversation (or a post) (sort of as a
disclaimer.)  Please consider this.  Your "saucer-eyed slut" phrase is really
irritating, especially when describing "girls that don't really do anything."
-- and they're "sluts"?  Huh?

I, for example, am not really a musical fan. But when I talk about, say,
Alladin, I don't feel compelled to, for every song in the movie, say "Oh, and
_of course_ s/he had to break into a song at this point, which looked as stupid
as usual."

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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why is animation for kids?
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  03:22:10

>Why don't animated Sci-Fi movies pop up
>during the summer along side non-animated ones 
>like T2 or Universal Soldier?
>Why don't animated versions of things like "Steel Magnolias" or maybe
>"Prince of Tides" exist at all for American tv or theatre?

 MM> Same reason as mentioned above.  Studios would rather spend money
 MM> on movies that are sure to rake in the dollars.  The general attitude
 MM> is that animation is a risk while live-action with popular actors is
 MM> not.
 That is a problem with getting more animated movies to pop up during the
summertime (i.e. Sci-Fi stuff).  I know that many major movie studios didn't
even look at Miyazaki when the Japanese company that had the rights to them
(forgot their name) offered to show it to them.  Most of them because they
didn't want to take the risk and would rather put out something that is
"safe".  That way you notice the smaller companies taking more risks (alas
they don't have the same amount of $$$).  Which seems to be the problem with
getting Miyazaki stuff over here dubbed/subtitiled since Streamline Pictures
as shown intrest but apparantly were turned down because the original Japanese 
company that has the rights wants way more $$$ and publicity than Streamline
can possibly do.
 As for the attitude of "animation for kids".  It used to be the case say up
to 1989 or so.  But with movies like "The Little Mermaid", "Beauty and the
Beast", and "Aladdin" you are noticing more adults going to these films BY
THEMSELVES (I know many adults were in attendance for "Beauty and the Beast"
and they gave it a STANDING OVATION at the end, and not too many children were 
there, for this was a rather late showing).  The Simpsons are doing quite well 
on FOX, and let's see how Batman: TAS will do in primetime.  Sure there were
bombs like Capitol Critters (what ever happened to Family Dog).  But you will 
always have some bombs that will slow down progress in terms of trying to stop 
the notion that animation is just for kids.  I personally, don't think so
myself... REMEMBER, that the Flinstones were originally in PRIME TIME when it 
first ran and was really for adults!!!  
 Most of the TV stuff is for kids (and it is quite obvious).  But I don't
think you will be looked at funny if you told someone you liked "Beauty and
the Beast" or some piece of quality animation in general.  Note that many
pieces of quality animation WERE NOT written for kids really if at all!!! 
"Beauty and the Beast" was pretty serious and it seemed like more adults like 
it than children!!  

--- Maximus 2.00
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Kevin Kline
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:15:00 GMT

After a week of reading posts I just have to say this:

Kevin, if you use slut in a post one more time, I'm
going to have to hunt you down and shoot you.

I'm sorry, but this whole "saucer-eyed slut" thing
is getting to me.





-- 
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From: fjohnson@busboys.rutgers.edu (Floyd Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Megatron vs Galvatron
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:29:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:

>In article <RGM.92Dec7041506@cory.Berkeley.EDU> rgm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Menke) writes:

>>Maybe the problem lies with defining "death."  Does it mean a complete
>>personality software erase, or just the inability to operate the body?
>>Oooh, ghost in the machine.  Descartes would've loved it.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	This made me go "Hmmm..." as I thought that was the title of a
series episode in which Starscream's ghost temporarily possesses
Cyclonus (Galvetron's bearded lieutenant), strikes a deal with
Unicron, and attempts to connect said with Cybertron.

>>(On VGR's side:  in "Starscream's Ghost," Octane hides behind
>>Thundercracker's marker, so the Decepts consider them "dead.")

	You mean the title wasn't "Ghost in the Machine"??
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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: New Pink Panther series to appear this fall.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:33:08 GMT

In article <Dec.16.10.40.11.1992.12713@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dshaffer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Donald A Shaffer) writes:
>
> I seem to remember the panther talking in a few of them. And wasnt their a 
>another new thing with him on a few years back (or is my mind going scitzo on
>me :)

The last pink panther show *I* can think of is the Pink Panther and Sons
show in 1984 - 1985.  The show was based more on the sons that the original
PP but he was around.

I'm not to sure if I like the idea of PP talking.  Although he might have
been given a voice now and then for a quick one-liner, he character was based
on pantomine.  Giving him a voice will cut off a large comedy venue.

But the real question is:  Is DePatie-Freleng still going to make the new
cartoons or does someone else own the rights? (PP and Sons was still DeP-F,
but it was in association with Hanna-Barbera)

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

- How do I know it was a coconut pie?  Cause there's a coconut in it,
- and it *hurts*!

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From: r16a@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Roger Earle)
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:13:21 GMT

In article <DAN.92Dec15135001@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
>In a sense, this mirrors the early days of Japanimation fandom in
>America, where the shows touted for their adult virtues were Macross
>and the like - another show seemingly aimed at teenaged boys of all
>ages (and it doesn't take a PhD in Psychology to take notice of the
>sexual symbolism and significance of the emphasis on REALLY BIG GUNS,
>and Macross had some of the biggest).    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^        
  _________________________________/

  Why do people keep dragging that argument out. To paraphrase the quote attributred to Freud: " Sometimes a GU-11 is just a GU-11."

>and violent, ugly pornography (has anyone else noticed that the
>average Japanese porn cartoon is about 10 times more brutal than ANY
>American pornography of any sort?  I've never seen such an obsession
>with brutal, dehumanized rape, which is unheard of in mainstream
>American porn) than material of lasting quality.  
>
  No, I havent noticed. But then again, I wouldn't bother watching either one.


Roger Earle
r16a@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca

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From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: BTAS: silly villians
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:23:32 GMT


BTAS is an excellent series.  Stylish look, good to excellent plots
( "Nothing to Fear", among others ), characterization not only of Batman, 
but also the supporting cast ( Catwoman and Bullock, to name just two ).

But the main strength is the believability.  Although Batman is a superhero,
he is also a human being, and doesn't do anything a human couldn't do
( no flying faster than light, being invisible, etc ).  I do admit
that is does strain credulity that one person could do everything he does.
The villians are, for the most part, believable humans too.

BUT, some of the bad guys are utterly silly.  A werewolf??  Man-bat??
Mr. Freeze??  The guy in Feat of Clay??  The first two violate, among other 
things, the first law of thermodynamics.  Mr. Freeze:  earth biochemistry 
can't function below the freezing point of water ( the organisms in the
polar regions heat themselves up ).  

I'm not even going to discuss Feat of Clay ( except to mention one good
thing -- the bad guy escapes at the end, proving that Batman is only human ).

If they would just get rid of this silliness, the series would be
much better ( IMNSHO ).

-- 
Phil Mueller    mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com
The preceeding opinions are not necessarily those of Intergraph Corporation.