From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Death of Canada (Was: Death of America)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:08:55 GMT

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>>but it *doesn't* work, as i have pointed out.  even the health
>>insurance system will eventually collapse. don't believe the 
>>bull about "we spend less on health care per capita than the US". 
>>i don't. it will come tumbling down too.
>
>You have not pointed out anything, with all due respect.  You just
>don't like the government taking care of the insurance fund.  And
>you have avoided that our private health insurance approves ...

Just to back up my points, here is some (real!) news from old UPI
Clarinet clippings I had lying around (I was printing them off for
a Manhattan doctor friend to read, and didn't delete the subdir
that I had stashed them in).  These articles are quoted for
educational purposes ... UPI Clarinet is a subscriber service,
and if you don't have it at your site and would like to get it
contact info@clarinet.com for purchasing and trial details.

[Disclaimer: I am only a UPI reader through Columbia University's
subscription, and I think it's damn fine! (-;]


From: clarinews@clarinet.com ((Hyatt/Standard Broadcast News))
Newsgroups: clari.canada.general
Keywords: canadian broadcast, trends
Date: 22 Oct 92 15:52:05 GMT


	   (TORONTO) A survey of Canadian doctors released today shows
many of them feel our health care system is heading downhill.
	An Angus Reid survey done for the medical journal ``The
Medical Post'' found that 83 percent of doctors feel Canada's health
care system is very good or excellent, but 66 percent feel medicare
has reached its peak and is deteriorating.
	The doctors blame increasing government controls and cutbacks *
for eroding the principle of universal health care. 60 percent of the
doctors who responded say the Mulroney government is NOT very or NOT
at all committed to universal health care. An editor with the journal
the survey was conducted for says doctors ``feel as though they've
been abandoned by government''.
	64 percent of the doctors say the Canadian health care system
provides a better climate for them to work in than the United States.

[* read the entire paragraph together for it to make sense ... gld]


From: clarinews@clarinet.com ((Vincent/Standard Broadcast News))
Newsgroups: clari.canada.general
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 9:01:29 PST

	   (TORONTO) The president of the Ontario Hospital Association
says the juridiction of Ontario's ombudsman should NOT be extended to
include hospitals. Dennis Timbrell has told a legislative committee
that hospitals are NOT ``governmental'' organizations.


From: clarinews@clarinet.com ((Miller/Standard Broadcast News))
Newsgroups: clari.canada.general
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:13:30 GMT

	(Billing)+
	The Ontario Medical Association has accepted an agreement
reached with the province last month that will mean patients have to
pay for uninsured services normally covered by OHIP. The OMA is
recommending that its members charge the Association rate, which is
28-percent more than what OHIP charges. The OMA-NDP agreement requires
patients or third parties, like insurance companies, to pay for
medicals for policies, jobs and back-to-work notes, starting January
1st. Doctors paid on a fee-for-service basis will get a one-percent
pay hike and the province will continue to pick up the tab for
doctors' medical protection insurance premiums. Tory health critic 
Jim Wilson has slammed the third party billings as ``nothing more 
than another user fee.''

[Isn't this funny?  The NDP (Labour, for you non-Canadians) is wearing
a fiscal conservative hat and the Conservatives are wearing a socialist
beret! (-;  Ye gods, and I thought that I was the only one ... (-; (-;]

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