From: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet ("Qu'est-ce que vous a cherchez...le bien par le mal...-Enigma")
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Reply-To: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.205604.23901@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.182702.19737@sarah.albany.edu> ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
>(Jenny Shum) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.224853.23739@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>Hey, Chinese-cu boy.  Laugh at yourself.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                 
How convienent of you to leave out the arrows which pointed to the source of my
flames. (let me put them back for those who may have missed it the first time)

>>What the hell is your problem?!!! I can stand a lot of the crud that comes out
>>of your mind and that which you choose to permeate this newsgroup with...but
>>where the hell do you get off making a comment like that? I didn't see the
>>relevance of it and it basically reaffirms the FACT that you are a racist and
>>haven't learned to relate to other people without bringing their race into it.
>
>This is a bizarre accusation which leads me to suspect that Ms. Shum 
>identifies with Chinese-cu culture.

It's bizarre only to YOU because you have this problem with dealing with
people...actually, I shouldn't be so general...It's CHINESE people that you
have a problem dealing with. To you, anyone who has a name that could even 
REMOTELY be Chinese is immediately pegged as evil and "the enemy". You have yet
to EVER have a civil correspondence with anyone who YOU consider Chinese. If
you haven't noticed by now, I have dropped this -cu -ge business...your thinly
veiled attempts to cover your racial prejudice with this -cu -ge terminology has
failed. It is readily apparent that you choose to use these terms in any
which way you can as long as it suits your purposes.  

As for identifying with "Chinese-cu culture" (Chinese-culturally culture, if I
have your definitions correct...WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY?), I identify with anyone
and any persons that are unfairly dealt with due to their race, ethnicity, sex,
etc.

So I state for the record that I identify with: the Jewish who were persecuted
by the Nazis, the Japanese who were interred by the US during WWII, the Chinese
who were raped and had their villages pillaged in Nanjing by the Japanese, the 
plight of the S. Africans in their struggle for recognition in the government
of their own country, the similar struggle in N. Ireland, and the countless
others.

>"Chinese-cu" means "culturally Chinese".  "Chinese-ge" means "ethnicially
>(i.e. genetically) Chinese".  I was not accusing the dimwit of being ethnically
>Chinese-ge; I was accusing him of identifying with Chinese-cu culture.
>I have no idea as to whether he is Chinese-ge or not since I've never met
>him; however, he has admitted to identifying with Chinese-cu culture.
>For about the 100th time, Chinese-cu != Chinese-ge.

So this is YOUR explanation of your baseless bias against what you term
Chinese-cu. You mean that every single person who has any hint of Chinese in
them are guilty of the crimes that you perceive to have been committed either
against you, someone you knew, someone you read about in the newspapers,
someone you read about in a biography, someone you read about in a work of
fiction, a charicature depicted in a cartoon, etc. 

>It's interesting that Ms. Shum thinks that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge.
>Even more interesting is the fact that rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis have
>the same view.

My view on your "distinctions" is that they are full of crap! For anyone who
KNOWS anything about ANY specific culture/ethnicity, they would be able to
realize that it is very hard to distinguish between people utilizing such
distinctions. As a matter of fact if you asked around, there aren't that many
people who are able to say that their culture hasn't had any effect on them AT
ALL!! Culture AND genetics influence people and regardless of how you like to
delude yourself, EVEN YOU are "blighted" (sticking with your definitions) by
your cultural and genetic background.    

With regards to "rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis", I'd just like to say that they
all have something in common with you. You all judge and condemn people based
on one thing. In your case, it's a person's name. If his/her name is "Lee" (no
offence to any Lee's out there) then they MUST be evil scum of the earth and
deserve to be shot down by the "One Who Knows What Havoc Chinese Can Cause". 
There is and are no redeeming factors for a Chinese person, after all, if there
were, God wouldn't have put such a curse on them and made them Chinese. 

>(On top of that, Ms. Shum thinks that the Chinese-ge are a "race".  Wow.
>That's news to me.  I know of only 3 (or 4, depending on how you count)
>races:  Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid; these are the terms which
>I learned in school from my sociology instructor.
>
>But the Chinese-ge are a "race" as distinct from the Japanese-ge "race"?
>My.  My.  Perhaps Chinese-cu hegemony is more pervasive than I suspected.)

I admit that the term "race" was incorrectly used. I was too enraged with the
irrational and biased comment that you chose to spew out to contemplate my
misuse of the word. For the record, the correct terminology is "ethnicity". 
As for your sociology class, maybe you should take another one. It doesn't seem
like you learned anything the first time around. 
                                           
-JS

Jinsei wa "acceptance" dewa arimasen.



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