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From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:38:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92099.152805U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>This seems to be rather convoluted logic.  How many African
>>women ever reply to postings of any sort on this newsgroup?  Well, none that
>>I know of.  Thus the fact that no African women have responded to that first
>>posting can hardly be taken as "vindication" of sexist opinions.
>
>Either you guys did not read my comments on this threador you decided that I wa
>s not African.  And Paul, I hardly agreed with your first posting on the subjec
>t.  Plenty of time to respond to your second one...
>
>Sofia

As you can see Sophia, I am not the one who said no African women  ever log intothe news group. Although I have never doubted the fact, some people say you are
not an African woman because they do not know you. But if you dont respond, theywill take it that upon themselves to answer for you based on what they imagine
suitable. Even thogh I am an African, Sophia, I have never been so presumtious
as to imaine that I better knew the problems of the African woman. 
`
Consequently I await your reply and would asa an African brother be delihted
to discuss this issue with you. Obviously both you and  I understand the problems that need to be addressed.  Even more than that we know that we dont have to
fight or fine each other as some people have suggested. The way to shame them 
to become even more united than we are so that they can see that their problems
are trully unique, for the most part, to only threm.

One of the most enlightening discussions I have ever had with any one in my lifewas with a sister from Nigeria. We always talked for hours, because we agreed 
on nearly every issue. This a young about to med schoiolthis fall who has lived
in this country since she was 11 (which less than half her age). We understood
each other very well even thouh I come Southern Africa and she from West Africa
I also learned a loit about women from her......

inaf seid

Makala
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:52:57 -0500

In article <92099.124520AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu> AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.213858.6120@athena.mit.edu>, lmweene@athena.mit.edu
>(Haachitaba Mweene) says:
>>
> >Zairian musicians are the most popular and accomplished in Africa.
>>They set the trends.  Shanachie records carry some of the more popular
>>African musicians like Tshala Muana and tabu Ley. Check them out!
>>
>>Haachitaba
>
>I hope you will provide some evidence to support your statement that they are t
>he most popular and most accomplished in Africa. The African continent has so
>much beautiful music-- west African, east African, south African. It is not pos
>sible in my opinion to say a country/region is more accomplished than others.
>I wonder if these Zairean musicians are popular in West Africa, North Africa...
>---
>Akin Akioye

You guys are forgetting "Chimurenga Music" by de Leon of Zimbabwe. In my
opinion, nobody should be put in a position to choose between Thomas Mapfumo
and Kanga Bongo Man! (not that anybody said so).

However, as far as dancing is concerned, the high-energy Zairean beat is
hard to beat!
From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:32:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92101.192358U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>I did respond but I think Paul just decided to ignore me.  This would certainly
>coincide with the view he seems to have of women.

Please don't judge me without hearing me out. I never saw your response having 
recently elected to avoid reading this subject

>It seems I also disagree with Paul. I can't understand the kind of logic which
>states that you have to be a member of something before you criticize.  I certa
>inly have no problem whatsoever with anybody criticizing anything about Africa

and you probably shouldn'nt. All I have ever asked is to raise the issue with t
hose to whom the subject pertains or those who are informed about our continent.



Makala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: ayisi@media.mit.edu (Ayisi wa Makatiani)
Subject: Re: African Music, the rythm is strong...
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:18:56 GMT
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Angola, savimbi reported to admit t'
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:31:10 GMT

/* Written  7:03 pm  Apr  5, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "ANGOLA: SAVIMBI REPORTED TO ADMIT T" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: North America
Title: ANGOLA: SAVIMBI REPORTED TO ADMIT TWO OFFICIALS ARE DEAD


washington, apr 2 (ips) -- angolan rebel leader jonas savimbi has
admitted to secretary of state james baker for the first time that
two former senior officials of his unita movement who have been
missing for several years are in fact dead, according to a source
who asked not to be identified.

but savimbi, who received million dollars in covert aid from
washington between 1986 and now, still insists that he was not
responsible for the deaths of the men, who served as key diplomats
for unita in lisbon and here in washington, according to the
source.

the latest information, which could well end all u.s. support
for savimbi, was reportedly contained in a lengthy letter to baker
from the rebel leader, who is now running for president in
angola's first election next september.

delivery of the letter followed a series of unexpected events
which began ten days ago when unita reported that its former envoy
here in washington, tito chingunji, and its representative in
lisbon, wilson dos santos, had ''unaccountably disappeared.''

the admission followed charges raised originally in early 1989
that savimbi had imprisoned and tortured the two men after
recalling them from their posts in late 1988. after those charges
were raised, chingunji was produced before reporters at savimbi's
war-time headquarters in jamba and denied that he had been
mistreated or held against his will.

but nothing was heard of chingunji, who was highly popular
among right-wing circles here, after that.

at the time of unita's admission about the disappearance of the
two men, savimbi blamed their fate on two other senior officials
who recently defected from the movement -- miguel n-zaul puna, a
former unita secretary-general, and tony fernandes, its foreign
minister.

asked about the explanation, however, state department
spokeswoman margaret tutwiler called for unita ''either to produce
these individuals publicly or to provide a detailed explanation of
the circumstances surrounding their reported disappearances.''

several days later, she disclosed that baker himself had
written to savimbi directly asking for an explanation of the
disappearances of the two men as well as other reports of serious
human rights abuses.

it was savimbi's response which reportedly contained the
confirmation of the deaths of the two men, as well as his
insistence that fernandes and puna were responsible, the source
said. (end/ips/jl/lp/92)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:1714 soc.culture.african.american:4492
From: kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Subject: Re: OURSTORY FOR APRIL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Reply-To: kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer)
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:01:50 GMT

>  From: hutchnsn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Blak Panther)
				    ^^^^

>                            THIS DAY IN BLAK HISTORY
                                         ^^^^

Is this a new politically correct spelling of the word "black"? Do me
a favour and run your articles through a spell checker lest you provide
ammo for the racists and bigots out there.


David Kramer                        |
Dept of ICS                         |
Univ of California                  |      Why do we chop trees down
Irvine, CA 92717                    |      and then chop them up?
                                    |
Internet: kramer@paris.ics.uci.edu  |
From: kenny@world.std.com (Kenneth R Crudup)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Black and White
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:14:46 GMT
Organization: Software Tool&Die, (Boston), MA

In article <j6qmhs0@sgi.sgi.com> martillo@azea.clearpoint.com
(Joachim Martillo (yeah, him) @ azea) says:
>Fianc,ailles rompues!....

Yeah, Joachim, I read about this (the breakup of DeKlerk's son and his
fiancee) last week in "Jet".

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Unix Systems Consultant	kenny@world.std.com
16 Plainfield St. Jamaica Plain, (Boston), MA 02130-3633
Home +1 617 524 5929 	Home Fax +1 617 983 9410
							Lick Bush in '92!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:1746 soc.culture.african.american:4507
From: francois@usenet.umr.edu (Why ya askin?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: OURSTORY FOR APRIL
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:16:18 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla

In article <29E3A58E.24493@ics.uci.edu> kramer@ics.uci.edu (David Kramer) writes:
>>  From: hutchnsn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Blak Panther)
>
>>                            THIS DAY IN BLAK HISTORY
                                          ^^^
>Is this a new politically correct spelling of the word "black"? Do me
>a favour and run your articles through a spell checker lest you provide
>ammo for the racists and bigots out there.
>
>
>David Kramer                        |
>Dept of ICS                         |
>Univ of California                  |      Why do we chop trees down
>Irvine, CA 92717                    |      and then chop them up?
>                                    |
>Internet: kramer@paris.ics.uci.edu  |
 no "spell checker" needed  
that IS the way we HAVE BEEN and WILL CONTINUE TO spell the word

     











FRANCOIS a proud BLAK man.
.


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/<>\BLAK**TO**BASICS*********    \></ We Must Educate Our Own.    /<>\
\></ francois otherwise..        /<>\For Tomorrow Belongs To Those\></
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:1856 alt.discrimination:1591 alt.politics.correct:3689
From: kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (john kauta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:35:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: bronze.1992Apr14.153555.920
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.

In article <viking.703274884@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>
>>And what is this newfangled notion about "demand for slaves existing in
>>Africa at that time"??? Are you REALLY SERIOUS??
>
>	A demand existed, there is nothing newfangled about it.  What do
>you think most of the warfare prior to Europeans showing up was for?  It
>was for loot, which included food, material goods, and slaves.  Remember,
>you have to haul your loot back to wherever you came from, and the
>logistics train is already having a hard time keeping your soldiers fed
>and otherwise supplied.  Slaves work good as pack animals.
>

I think you are confusing the concept of "humans as a commodity for sale"
with that of "prisoners of war". Surely you don't mean to say that the
tens of thousands of Iraqis captured during the Gulf war were slaves!
Indeed, the Zulus were expansionist in nature, but never for the reason
of acquiring slaves!!! Let alone slaves for sale!!!
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Horn of Africa, new U.S. law stress'
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:29:23 GMT

/* Written 12:03 am  Apr 13, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
/* ---------- "HORN OF AFRICA: NEW U.S. LAW STRESS" ---------- */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Agriculture
Title: HORN OF AFRICA: NEW U.S. LAW STRESSES DEVELOPMENT


washington, apr 9 (ips) -- in a bid to encourage leaders of the
horn of africa who have been meeting on humanitarian issues in
addis ababa, the u.s. congress this week approved new legislation
designed to alleviate hunger in the region.

the horn of africa food security and recovery act ''articules a
new u.s. foreign policy towards the region,'' said sharon pauling,
africa policy analyst with bread for the world, a major non-
governmental sponsor of the legislation.

''it sets a course that is based on the expressed needs of the
people of the horn, rather than primarily on u.s. short-term
political interests,'' she said.

the purpose of the bill, which president george bush is
expected to sign into law within 10 days, is to move u.s. policy
towards providing long-term solutions to the recurring famines
which have plagued the region.

specifically, it targets development and reconstruction
assistance to grassroots groups and operations and prohibits aid
to governments until it makes progress towards democratic rule and
the observance of human rights.

it also calls on washington to significantly increase support
for united nations efforts in peace negotiations and relief
operations.

leaders of the region concluded two days of talks thursday by
agreeing to step up their own efforts to end the civil war in
somalia, where recent fighting is believed to have killed 15,000
people. they also guaranteed freer passage of relief supplies to
needy populations.

the u.n. world food programme currently estimates that 23
million people are at risk of starvation in the region.

this week's action by congress includes provisions removing
certain legal obstacles to providing u.s. development aid -- as
opposed to humanitarian assistance -- to ethiopia and eritrea.
the bush administration is expected to release 80 million dollars
in development aid to the two countries shortly.

the resolution also calls on washington to work to establish a
u.n. arms embargo for the region pending the resolution of the
violent conflicts there.

it also bans the provision of any military aid or training to
ethiopia, somalia, or the sudan. (end/ips/ip/jl/yjc/92)
From: ssliat@uta.fi (Linus Atarah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Libya: Unjustified Smear campaign
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:40:53 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

The United States has succeeded in intiating the most sinister smear campaign
against libya. However, it is time things were brought to the United States
that it has skeletons sitting right iinside its own cupboard. In 1985 an 
Air Indian flight was blasted off the skies off the coast of ireland killing
329 passengers.The bombers were traced to a paramilitary camp in Alabama where
mercenaries were trained for terrorist acts in Low Intensity Conflicts
(LIC) in Central America, according to "Lies Of Our Times" (LOOT). LOOT is an
independent periodical published in the United States and is devoted to
exposing the biases and sometimes outright lies in the U.S mainstream media.
Anyway, ex-mercenaries of the above mentioned camp disclosed that the
director of the camp had close ties with U.S intelligence and was personally
invloved in the Air India bombing.
But since terrorism is never associated the United States or for that matter,
any western country, nobody bothered to comb a 845-square mile area in order
to find out the real culprites. Again when the United States bombed Libya in
1986, it was supposed to avenge the deaths of U.S service men who were killed
in discotheque bombing in Germany. However the german authorities after
investigating the incident came out with no case against Libya. Which means 
that the U.S had other motives for bombing Libya than terrorism.
Furthermore, In October 1988 the German authorities arrested 16 members of the
Popular front for the liberation of Palestine. They were alleged to have in 
their possession five bombs, one of which was a radio cassette bomb with a
barometric triggger designed to blow aircraft in flight,very similar to the
one used in the Lockerbie bombing only two months after. Curiously enough,
the U.S embassy was informed of these arrests but the men were releazedand 
nothing was said about them. Actually Libya was not even a prime suspect in
the Lockerbie affair, according to intelligience sources. Why is that all
of a sudden attention has been redirected to focus on Libya? The United states definitely has something to hide and libya is a convenient target to divert
attention from the real culprites just to win a major foreign policy objective.
It is amazing that members of the UN security are so easily pandering to
U.S foreign policy interests.
linus atarah uta.fi.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:1836 soc.culture.african.american:4571
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: You trippin/Path: Ra.MsState.Edu!clg1
Date: 14 Apr 1992 02:25:58 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <92104.195210U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> (Sofia Gebru) writes:

|> Ron, I usually agree with what you say but not this time.  I don't understand w
|> hat the point of knowing the name of "News on Muncher" would be. 

Sorry.  I guess I got irritated because this person posted several
provocative statements that seemed calculated to anger readers of
this newsgroup, and did it anonymously.   I overreacted.  Anyway,
it turns out that kevinc@sequent just had misconfigured news software
or something, and hadn't meant to post anonymously.

My apologies to anyone who I may have upset.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 20:04:37 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Feminists!
 <1992Apr10.201241.11477@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
 <1992Apr10.175202.9996@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> <204745@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
 <92104.162440OLOMOLAS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>

In article <92104.162440OLOMOLAS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <OLOMOLAS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
says:
>
>Personally, I do not believe in the notion of Feminism. I think it is a
>consciously orchestrared strategy aimed at demonstrating the potential
>weakness of women in the society and their fear of male superiority.
>I greatly cherish African women. They symbolise the authentic notion
>of God's ingenuity. That is why perhaps they are more intelligent and
>"happy" in marriages and other basic areas of life. Feminism, I think
>is aimed at distrupting the equilibrium of positions as destined by GOD.

Sigh.  I never thought I would hear something worse than the original crap.

Sofia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african-american,su-etc,air.bboard
From: dianazon@leland.Stanford.edu <c.f.f.Life>
Subject: AFRICA WEEK 1992!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originator: dianazon@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 05:47:41 GMT

Africa Week is here again folks, at the Leland Stanford Junior, University.

APRIL 13th - 19th.

  *********CALENDAR OF EVENTS*********

Monday, April 13th.
 Keynote Address: "African Politics in a Changing Global Environment" by
                 Dr. Solomon Gomes, Special Political Affairs Representative,
                                    Permanent Mission of the Organization of
                                    African Unity to the United Nations. 
  Time: 7:30pm
  Place: CERAS Auditorium
  

Tuesday, April 14th.
  African Trade and Food* Fair in WHITE PLAZA.    12-4pm.
                   *Food is provided by Dahlak Restaurant

  Lecture: "The Ancestral Dance Link in the African Diaspora" by
          Halifu Osumare, Dance Lecturer at Stanford with a Joint Appointment
                          from the Committee on Black Performing Arts
          and a presentation.
 
  Kuumba Dance Ensemble    

     Time: 7:30pm
     Place: Bechtel Internatioal Center, Assembly Room.


Wednesday, April 15th.
  African Dance: featuring Fua Dia Congo Dance Troupe
     Time: Noon
     Place: Tressider Union Front Patio

  Lecture: by Dr.Ishrat Husain of the World Bank
     Time: 3:15pm
     Place: Food Research Institute, Rm.106

  Symposium on African Politics in a Changing Global Environment
     Speakers: Dr.Fantu Agonaser (U.S.F.)
               Dr.Osumane Macalou (U.C.Berkeley)
               Dr.William Gould (Stanford)
               Dr.Marcel Fafchamps (Stanford)
     Time: 7:30pm
     Place: Bechtel International Center, Assembly Rm.


Thursday, April 16
  SASA (Stanford African Students Association) Cultural Night
     featuring African stories, poetry, slides and fashion show.
     refreshments served.
     
     Time: 7:30pm
     Place: Bechtel International Center, Assembly Rm.


Friday, April 17th.
  African Film.
     free admission, discussion to follow.
     Time: 7:30pm
     Place: Bechtel International Centre, Assembly Rm.


Saturday, April 18th.
  AFRICA NIGHT -  $5.00 admission.
      African Food, Dancing, and Music*
      *Music provided by Emmanuel Nado of KKUP (DJ)

    Time: 7:30pm
    Place: Tressider Union Oak Lounge West (on 2nd Floor)
    Cover: $5.00



*************BIENVENUE***********  ***********WELCOME************

There will be a Book Exhibit featuring works by African Writers, and about 
Africa throughout Africa Week at the Stanford Bookstore. 


-for more information, write to me at: dianazon@leland.Stanford.edu

(I will even provide directions on how to get to locations on campus!) :-)

-- 
------
  "Our women have very big nipples. Sweet and big." -Kwesi Brew
     Ndi be anyi kwenu! He! Kwenu! He! Kwenu! He! Kwenu! He!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Martians on the attack!
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos &)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:19:43 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr7.235128.28250@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (john kauta) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.020525.1709@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi) writes:
>>
>>I know a fellow who goes around claiming that a group of Martians are poised to 
>>attack earth and destroy all living things here.  Most people who listen to what 
>>he says just shake their heads and walk away in silence.  I think the silence 
>>proves that the fellow is right.
>>
>>
>
>
>WHAT SHIT IS THIS???????!!!!!!


Sigh... why do I bother ...
From: laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: African football ?????
Summary: Whinnie good for Africa?
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:35:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Apr8.003544.7497
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr7.150042.1685@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jka3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (James Amenuvor) writes:
> p.s What do readers in this group think of the impending divorce of the 
>     Mandelas'.  I personally think they should try as hard as possible to 
>     work it out and stay together for themselves and for Africa.
> 
>     comments anyone ???

I am really interested in what good Whinnie Mandela can do for Africa.
Her involvement in the kidnapping and murder of Stompie cannot be
denied, and she has frequently said things that have put Nelson and
the ANC in a very sticky situation. From the news reports I've read,
it appears that Nelson has finaly seen the light and told her to get
out of his life as well as the ANC. We'll just have to wait and see
if all these rumours are genuine or just another British tabloid hoax.

Cheers,
            Peter Laing.