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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ravagons supplement
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:06:35 GMT

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992, the Smooge wrote:

> Hmmmm... Since all ravagons in Orrorsh are under an Occult spell to make
> them invisible to those who do not have true sight... I wonder if this
> applies to player characters as well.

The exact quote was 'the majority of Victorians tend not to notice
[Ravagons]'.

The way I read this is 'uninvolved ords'.  If a Rav flies over town,
people will just not look up.  They might feel a chill wind.  If the Rav
is just sitting there, people will not notice him -- like the picture in
the Orrorsh SB with the Gargoyle hingie perching on the lamppost, and all
the good Victorians just sorta minding their own business.

Then, any p-rated, anyone with True Sight, and maybe any loony will see
Ravagons.  Any Ord personally involved with a Rav's appearance will see
it.  If the guy on the street next to you gets his head torn off, *you
will see the ravagon*.

Furthermore, I would add that this whole thing only applies to Ravagons
who have transformed to orrorsh reality, and any still attached to
tz'Ravok will not have this advantage, unless it has been specifically
bestowed by Heketon -- i.e., no PC tz'Ravok ravagons.

The fact is, the Rav SB said nothing about Rav's being invisible.  It just
said, as I relayed above, that the majority will not notice them.  So, if
a Ravagon may be able to stroll through town, but if he interacts with
anyone, he will be observed.

CJW

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From: claymoar@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu
Subject: FTP site
Reply-To: claymoar@wam.umd.edu (William Flint)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:39:32 GMT

What happen to the Torg ftp site?
Is there a different address?
If so, what is it?

All help is welcome.

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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: My campaign...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:48:22 GMT

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992, Rick Jones wrote:

> > Vampyre. This fellow used to know Dracula himself
> > (in my core earth, Dracula was not a legend...although
> > most people don't believe he was a vamp). My vampire,
> 
> 	That's interesting.  In my world, Drac was pretty 
> much the despicable historical figure he was in the real 
> world.  However, due to the popularity of Dracula vampire
> story, Vic Manwarring got it in his head to raise Drac from 
> the dead as a Vampire.

In my campaign, Vic scooted Orrorsh shortly after Thratchen bugged out,
since the GM doesn't really like Vic.  Anyway, he decided on a course of
revenge against the SK's who thwarted him in the Forever City.  So, after
finding a copy of Dracula (fiction in Core Earth that it is), Vic planned
a real mind-f*ck of a revenge by plotting his actions based on allusions
to the book, going to Whitby England whence to track down the SK's, who
are based out of London.

It was a really gritty adventure, but in the end, Vic got a True Death,
again because of paranoia on the part of the SK's -- and because the SK's
had read the book, by that point too.

Incidentally, I wrote the adventure up as a story.  It's 200K long (that's
32,000 words!!).  ANyone who wants to read it, let me know.  It'll be on
the archives -- eventually.

CJW

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From: smooge@jupiter.nmt.edu (the Smooge)
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Subject: Re:  Learning New Miracles
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:12:05 GMT
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Well if you have faith in the Space Gods philosophies then you can have
several faiths. But that goes under the world law of compatibility...

However, it would make sense in the pantheon religions of Aysle and the
Nile. Nowhere does it say that I have to take faith in Ptah and in no
other... and if you restrict it to such then you have fallen away from
how pantheonic religions work (ie you are overlaying Judeo-Islamic-Christ.
onto other religions). A priest of Ptah might have most of his adds in
Ptah, but he may need to pray to Osiris for certain miracles or events.

One could argue that a worshipper of Ptah in Egypt goes to Aysle and sees
that Dunad has jurisdiction there. In a pantheonic (and so in the greek/
egyptian mythos) our Ptah worshipper would feel that Dunad is a diety who
has chosen a specific area to govern, and might take an add in Dunad so that
he may properly worship him.

the Smooge
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From: Brother Andrek <arakins@iastate.edu>
Subject: Miniatures...
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  Just a simple question...how many or you TORGers 
uses miniatures figures in your playing, for combat and
such?

  We do.....I use fantasy figures and figures for
Shadowrun for my figures.


  Just curious...

-- Andrew Akins
   aka Brother Andrek
   Iowa State University
   arakins@iastate.edu

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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: Living Land stuff...
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Colin replies:

> See my previous post concerning Direct Invocations.  DI's do *not* require

See my previous reply to your previous post.  8-)

[...]

> This is my justification for assuming that Direct Invocations do *not*
> require focus, but rather only faith, and that there is no 'proper
> training' associated with performing DI's.  After all, what kind of
> religion would it be for the masses if the priests were *the only ones*
> who any chance what so ever of askink for the god's help?

Religions operate off of a sense of community; without someone to lead
the community there is no focus to an effort, no coordinated call to a
diety for help.  That is why a group of the faithful would need
someone with Focus, otherwise there is no combined appeal to the
diety, just lots of individual appeals that are probably doomed to
failure without the bonus you get for combining.

One person without assistance from other faithful is going to have to
be damn lucky to invoke a diety (since the Difficulty is 53 - the
Spirit axiom; even in the Living Land that's a 29.)  Even with rerolls
on 10's and 20's it isn't going to happen all that often unless you
are P-rated and lucky and have good cards.  That is even if you allow
someone without Focus to invoke of course.  I still say that without
the proper level in the Spiritual axiom (20) you have to have Focus to
invoke.

You can pray and appeal and beg your diety all you want for
assistance; that is NOT the same thing as invoking!  Invoking is a
game mechanic representing a priest's ability to summon the power of a
diety for a spectacular, one-time event.  Petitioning a diety for help
is what the peons do, and it is pretty much up to the diety to
determine if he wants to help or not (GMs whim).  

> Not quite.  SK's Guide says 'faith plus focus adds', whereas the Rav SB
> says specifically 'focus adds'.  Maybe I misremember, but didn;t the exact
> phrase in the Rav SB say or imply something like 'one miracle plus a
> number equal to the tzullat's focus adds'?

Ok, I got it slightly wrong - what do you expect from someone who
hasn't slept in 36 hours?

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: The Land from Below (was Re: social axiom)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:07:55 GMT

Grant writes:

>Is this rumor getting out of control or what? OK, here's the deal; first of
>all, only the Eastern Land is falling, so don't count Rec Pakken out (provided
>it can maintain a bridge in the west)

Only there is no bridge in the Western Land!  It was mentioned as
being destroyed in the last Realm Update when one of the stelae for
its region was uprooted.  Recent Infiniverses have mentioned that Rec
Pakken has not constructed a new bridge either, despite the growing
desperate situations Baruk Kaah and his forces are falling into....

>This is a problem; apparently, the LB is just 'flowing up' to the surface,
>apparently due to Greg Farshtey's desire to see New York under the effect 
>of the Law of Wonders. This begs the question: how will we get rid of it?
>Has the LB's reality suddenly become stronger than CE's?

This begs the question of what is left in New York to come under the
effect of the Law of Wonders!  It's been over two years of being under
the Living Land reality - even the parts in the dominant zone are
going to be 60% transformed to something of Living Land reality!  And
the pure zone, which covers most of New York, has a 100% transfor-
mation rating after two years!



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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  My campaign...
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Brother Andrek writes:

[...]

>   The space gods are confused in my world, and they are
> arguing among themselves on what to do...consequencly, they 
> are not involved.

But that's how they're acting anyway!  8-)

>   The Nile Empire has, unintentional, become the laughing
> stock of my campaign. Nile stormtroopers are buffoons in
> my world...so no one takes Nile seriously...I might have
> to change that :)

The players in my game tend to fall into this trap sometimes, but then
all it takes is to point out that the most character deaths and the
most near-death encounters have been in the Nile...they still don't
take shocktroopers seriously, but they do respect the Nile somewhat.

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: My campaign...
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Brother Andrek writes:

>   Perhaps I misspoke. I know OF the maelstorm...but
> I don't know the specifics. And since I didn't want the gaunt
> man to be gone, I took the GM liberty of designing my own 

Well, the details are actually spelled out in one of the first three
novels and in the Orrorsh sourcebook.

>   One of the reasons I know so little about the "official"
> TORG world: I do not use published adventures, and I do not
> subscribe to the Invinitverse (mispelled again, I'm sure, but 
> it's late and I'm tired, so I'm not gonnna look it up :) )
> Updates.

Only a couple of the modules have had a major impact on the course of
the war so it isn't real important to have them.  The Possibility
Chalice trio have an impact if you bring in the Space Gods as a result
of those adventures, High Lord of Earth and Temple of Rec Stalek
really only have an impact if your players screw the adventure up and
allow the new High Lord in each one to become reality.

>   The only sourcebooks I do not own: Storm Knight
> Guide to the Possibility Wars, Inv. Update #1, Delphi
> Worldbook, GodNet sourcebook, L.A. Sourcebook, and Ravagons
> Sourcebook. I plan on getting all of them, eventually.

You can put the Guide and the LA Citybook at the bttom of your
priority list IMHO; the Guide has some nice info in it but most of it
isn't real necessary.  The LA Citybook is mostly fluff.

If you aren't real interested in following the offical campaign
timeline the Infiniverse Updates are not going to be real useful
except for the new rules sections.  If you aren't doing much with the
Cyberpapacy then GodNet isn't urgent either.

Ravagons and Delphi Council Worldbook are good things to have though.
You may not want or need most of the DCW info on how the war is
progressing in various contries, but there is plenty of other useful
bits in it.

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: A New Cosm!!! (read in Price is Right voice : )
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:37:28 GMT

On Wed, 11 Nov 1992, Burton Choinski wrote:

> In article <gatemail1.0b3141114589788@morticia> "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> writes:
> >Here it is:
> >
> >		THE DISASTER COSM!!!!!
> >
> >Axioms:  Same as Core Earth(*)
> >
> >High Lord: Irwin Allen
> >Major Lieutenants: Charlton Heston
> >		   Burt Lancaster
> >		   Ernest Borgnine
> >		   Samuel L. Bronkowitz
> 
> Shouldn't George Kennedy be THE top lieutenant?  I've seen him in more then
> those other guys. :)

Maybe he *is* the DD!


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From: csmith@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Colin Smith)
Subject: Unsubscribe
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 03:09:01 GMT

	Somebody help me!!!

	Due to an outbreak of hacking at my particular institution, everyone
	here has lost Internet access, including overseas mail priviliges.
	Consequently, the amount of mail that I get (from this list in part-
	icular) must be banking up at a server SOMEWHERE ...

	Could someone PLEASE unsubscribe me from the mailing list, before
	the Possibilities really hit the fan ...

		- Colin.


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From: SHERIS@EARLHAM.BITNET
Subject: What If.....
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Heres something my players and I came up with at 2:15 AM a few days
ago...

What if some omnipotent entity (say...Q from ST:TNG) came to Core Earth
during the Poss. Wars to have some fun?  It might take a look around,
and decide to make some temporary alterations to some of the realities
( for a day or two ) in order to see what happens...

Tharkold:
        ---LoPain is now the LoJoy
        ---LoDomination is now the LoEqual Oppurtunity
        ---LoFerocity is now the LoGentle Happiness
        ---The whole tone of the realm would be rather different now...
Tharkoldu would fly over LA scattering rose petals everywhere from wicker
baskets, walk up to humans and say things like, "I love you, man!" (like the
one guy from the Wayne's World movie), and would calmly discuss their ideas
and problems in a group forum in order to come to a concensus.

Nippon Tech:
        ---3327 is transformed into....*90210*! Aaaaarrrrgghhh!
        ---Nippon becomes a realm where being trendy and good-looking
is everything, and money is now just one of those little inconsequential
things that no one makes a deal over because everyone has it, right?
        ---LoProfit is now the LoTrendiness
        ---LoVengence is now the LoSupposedly Gritty Storylines
        ---LoIntrigue is now the LoSilly Romance
        ---Ninjas and Ronin trading fashion tips while mall-hopping,
Kashi Hackers begin making neatokeenultrakewl video games, and the Shiki
fade out of existence because unkempt gangs are not trendy and cool.

Orrorsh:
        ---The Power of Fear is now...The Power of Love!

        <or...>

        ---An element of Toon is added, and therefore, Orrorsh is now...
THE SCCOBY-DOO REALM!  No one dies, but people do get the wits scared out
of them, and the horror is always a human in a rubber suit!  ("Lets see who
The Gaunt Man really is! <Rip off mask> Why...it's old man Smithers who ran
the Illmound Keep Haunted House!" "Yeah, and I would have become
Torg if it hadn't been for you meddling Storm Knights...and that dog!")
And the occult is now just some jury rigged special effects equipment and
some flourescent paint.

        <or...>

        ---Along with the toon grafting, the tech axiom is boosted a
whee bit to allow...Proton Packs! "Who Ya Gonna Call....?" Horror(tm)-Busters!

Have Fun! Any Further Ideas?

                                        Glory Card, Glory Card, Hallejuah!
                                                Isaac Sher
                                                High-Lord of Earlham College

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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re: My campaign...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:11:21 GMT

> Vampyre. This fellow used to know Dracula himself
> (in my core earth, Dracula was not a legend...although
> most people don't believe he was a vamp). My vampire,

	That's interesting.  In my world, Drac was pretty 
much the despicable historical figure he was in the real 
world.  However, due to the popularity of Dracula vampire
story, Vic Manwarring got it in his head to raise Drac from 
the dead as a Vampire.  The PC's chased him around Eastern Europe
eventually catching up with him in Castle Dracula.  Fortunately,
they stopped the ritual, and even managed to send Vic to 
his True Death, just from their paranoid methods of disposing
of the body after the telekinetic spent a zillion cards (actions
and presense, not heroes and dramas, which are blockable)
to stake him.
	However, they still have some unhappy Unliving Occultists
and a Sword Soul VERY MAD at them.  

-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
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"A day without sunshine is sort of like night." -Mike Jittlov
From: axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Innovative Mages
Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:13:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Ok, folks... it's that time in my campaign where my character and the 
rest of the party are venturing into sunny Orrorsh.

As such... it has occured to me that I should come up with a new character
concept, just in case Finn (My CE bard/mage with a toughness of... <gasp>...
7) bites the dust... which is entirely possible, as it is, I believe,
somewhat difficult to charm a vampire ... and that's my best form of
attack <grin>.

As no-one else in the party either knows the system well enough to be able to,
or even WANTS to... I'm stuck with the magic-user type at all times. <grin>.
And... since I'm sick of the usual ayslish mage, or standard Orrorshan
occultist, or even the quintessential Nile Mathematician... I'm looking
for new, mildly crazy, but not totally off-the-wall ideas for relatively
effective mage types.  Like, say a Keefee Mage or something of the sort.

Just thought I'd take advantage of that vast pool of creative protoplasm
that's seething out there in torg/net-land... hope to hear from you soon!

-Dr. Schwa.
-- 
I really don't mind, if you sit this one out...    | <= Jethro Tull
My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout.     | -Ashwath Ganesan-
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Your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the sink.| -axg20@po.cwru.edu-
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re: Living Land stuff...
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	I think someone came up with the ruling that jakatts without
focus can cast miracles using the value of the size of the community 
as the focus value, or something like that.  That way, focus-less
jakatts can cast miracles, but only if the whole tribe is praying 
for it.
-- 
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From: "James H. Kiley" <jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: godnet
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	No word on the GodNet, but TorgMUSH's coming along okay, thanks
for asking. :)  
	
	Jim/The.Gaunt.Man


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From: clay (Clay Luther)
Subject: Re: Ftp problems
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>
>
>        When I got into the Torg ftp site there was nothing there!  
>Has Wu Han been killed?  Is his House o' Wax gone forever?  Is there no  
>other Nile villian willing to take up ownership?


You seem to be mistaken.
Try again.

---
Clay W. Luther                                 clay@vortech.com
Software Engineer                             Vortech Data, Inc
Office (214) 994-1377                        Fax (214) 994-1310
                             Also cluther@morticia.cnns.unt.edu

Well, it had been 987 years in outer space time when I got back.
Couldn't seem to find any of my friends to tell my interesting
stories to.
From: gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Grant R. Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Deep Thought
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:34:43 GMT
Reply-To: gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Grant R. Davis)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: gdavis@donald.cc.utexas.edu

When a car is going down the road, a red light on the dashboard starts
blinking and the NPC at the wheel shouts "get out of the car!" and then
does so, you would be amazed at how long the players ponder this course of
action.

Right, ratboy? :)

The Grant Man
gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

"Gold is most excellent"- Christopher Columbus

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From: johnson@ebony.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Johnson)
Subject: Re: Nile Magic
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I have been reading all of the followups to Nile Magic Design
System Prototype, but somehow I missed the original post with
all the details.  Could anyone e-mail it to me, please?

Thanks a lot,
Brad Johnson (johnson@ebony.rtsg.mot.com)