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From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Fashism in Serbia (english version)
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:20:44 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

In article <16601@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.045904.1685@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>>In article <16526@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr5.163223.2342@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>*) *) 
>*) *) without getting into any discussion of AI report, I would like
>*) *) to ask you again : "Why don't Croat protest against their anti-democratic
>*) *) elements?" (for there are many, from extreme left to extreme right)
>*) 
>*) Without commenting on your last words (probably someone else is more 
>*) qualified to do this than I):
>*) 
>*) Probably because there is a war going on in much of the country, where people
>*) are distracted with concerns of their personal safety, and the state of their
>*) homes, and if they will ever return to their home.  As for the rest of the
>*) population, they are preoccupied with the war as well.  This is my opinion.
>*) I can't speak for the population of Croatia.  All I can point out is that
>*) things have hardly normalized there yet. 
>
>
>so you say it is OK for croatia to "be quiet" about their extremes since it
>is "u interesu naroda" , i.e. it is for higher goals of "our race".
>(actually to be more precise, extrems are even encouraged....)

I did NOT say this.

>*) A while back Predrag posted an excerpt from Slobodna Dalmacija (and I have
>*) read several similar articles from them since).  Actually, I recall him
>*) mentioning that some people (like you) might not understand it because it
>*) was in Croatian.  I guess he was right.  ;-)  
>
>of course. I do not know how to translate artificial names like : "tjemenac"
>"okolokucnopisalo" "zoroklik" "okolovratnidopupnjak" etc.... I kinda figured
>out other normal words.

As someone else has already remarked, the article contained none of the above
type words.

Best regards,

Joe Blazic
blazic@ecf.toronto.edu
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: YPA attacks on Medjugorje, Siroki Brijeg, Grude, Mostar, Kupres,
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:54:52 GMT

What the heck is that "P" doing in the name of the Army? Or are people
of Yugoslavia really standing behind this Army?

In article <92099.132452BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> (Tomislav Grgic) writes:
>
>
>Sarajevo is a beautiful city, it's too bad it's going to be destroyed, along
>with dozens of other towns and villages, all for the 'liberation' of Bosnia.

Liberation. Yes, liberation...

>I've just heard General Zivota Panic of the YPA announce how they don't
>plan to pull out of Bosnia-Hercegovina for another 5-7 years.

Oh, he's fast. Namely that is time which Army need to collect and take
with everything what was payed by 23 million people, but now it is put
in possesion of about 10 millions (not referring to the share which
was payed). This is "bratski podeljeno".

LPA
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 01:07:37 EST
From: <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
 <92104.203740BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <16782@plains.NoDak.edu>

In article <16782@plains.NoDak.edu>, malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V.
Malenovic ) says:
> <vintage postings deleted>
>
>if I tell you that if I consider my self a "Chetnik" I do not thik it is bad
>at all, actually I think it is an honor, what would you think?
>I bet you'd think I am a killer or something, right?

If that's an honor for you, so be it. I did not realize the Chetniks were
the 'good guys' in WWII - (that was sarcasim, for the sarcastically impaired.)

>well then my friend, you do not know what word "Chetnik" represents, nor you
>know the history well. All you see is bunch of drunk assholes who call
>themselves "Chetnik" (though they do not deserve "CH" out of the whole
>wording) and are serious criminals. Now, when you get willing to listen to
>my explanation what word "Chetnik" means, and a small history explanation, I
>hope you will write cetNik without any malicious implications.

This has long surpassed the point of stupidity, but I could tell you the
literal meaning of an 'ustasa' - it's one who rises up, who revolts -
but I won't get into it. Why? Because I'm too much of a realist to get
into stupid arguements to prove stupid points.

>->I'm at a loss to see how you've attributted me the Ustasha label -
>->because I'm of the type not to want to give up soil from my homeland? I
>->guess I'm not one of those 'standard-run-of-the-mill-citizens-of-ANYPLACE-
>->country' who freely distributes land masses to anyone who asks?
>->
>->You're arguement really sucks this time.
>NO, my argument is that you acknowledged the wording "za dom spremni".
>let me remind you :
>Dragan> You forgot "za dom spremni"
>Tomislav> you are very good at adressing the issue
>Nik> so Ustashe are well alive?
>Tomislav> your argument sucks!
>you acknowleded "za dom spremni" which is one of the most common
>"distinguishing" factors for Ustasha movement, and when I add your hate
>toward Serbs (no no, you do not hate ethnic Serbs who are shooting in
>Croatia, you shifted that hate to every Serb in general - that is why I
>dislike your postings!), then we get the whole picture, right?

I have not acknowledged anything. How did I acknowledge it? When I said
'You are very good at addressing the issue, Dragan' I meant that the
issue being addressed was Krajina joining Serbia - Dragan took that posting
and based on my sig (which says 'We're not giving up any piece of
Croatian land') and told me that I'd forgotten to append 'Za dom spremni'
(meaning 'For the homeland') and we're now debating who-said-what whereas
it all started with Milan saying that Krajina will one day join Serbia!

This whole thing is really, really ridiculous and assinine.

Tom Grgic
From: predrag@isy.liu.se (Predrag Pucar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:19:37 GMT
Reply-To: predrag@isy.liu.se
Organization: Linkoping University

In article 184927BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca, <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> (Tomislav Grgic) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.111748.8066@isy.liu.se>, predrag@isy.liu.se (Predrag Pucar)
>says:
>>
>>First, I think it's important to distinct emigrants from emigrants. One kind
>>is those who emigrated beacuse of their political believes or for economical
>>reasons,  but didn't
>>involve with terrorist groups in their new countries. The fact that they      d
>>decide to make such a move (emigrating)  prooves that they are people with
>>guts. They should also be treated
>>as a resource back in their homeland and I don't see any reason why not having
>>them in a government if they are suited. The other kind is those who emigrate d
>>because they were real criminals (Baresic etc...), i.e. killers, nobodies who
>>later joined various terrorist groups, these kind of
>>people shouldn't be welcome home, it is not a loss if they stay in Paraguay or
>>wherever they are.

First I have to say I regretted I didn't write that I believe that the majority
of emigrants from ex-Yu are of the first kind mentioned above.

>Your opinion (and that's all it is) of the second group being killers and
>nobodies is false. You have been reading too much 'official Yugoslav
>state propaganda' put out during the existence of the prior Yugoslavia -
>and you have obviously reached the point of confusing fact with fiction.
>If you like believe it, but you'd be foolish to cite that particular opinion
>again.

Let's hope you have confused facts with fiction, or you maybe seriously think
that it's OK to shoot ambassadors etc...

Regards

---
/Predrag      email: predrag@isy.liu.se
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 20:37:40 EST
From: <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
Distribution: na
 <1992Apr9.135105.14713@risky.ecs.umass.edu>
 <92101.110835BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <16735@plains.NoDak.edu>

In article <16735@plains.NoDak.edu>, malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V.
Malenovic ) says:
>-> <stuff of Tom was here>
>-> Tomislav Grgic (BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca)
>->
>-> p.s. - How do you like this one:
>-> ----------------------------------------------------------
>-> "Nedamo ni jedan pedalj hrvatske zemlje."
>-> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>So it is true that there are few Ustashe left on this world.
>
>Hopefully the punishment will come in court, not on streets.
>
>later UGrgo,
>
>Nik

Dear cetNik,

I'm at a loss to see how you've attributted me the Ustasha label -
because I'm of the type not to want to give up soil from my homeland? I
guess I'm not one of those 'standard-run-of-the-mill-citizens-of-ANYPLACE-
country' who freely distributes land masses to anyone who asks?

You're arguement really sucks this time.

May I once again point out the traditional scholarly debates occurring
on s.c.y.

Traditionally yoUrs,

Tomislav Grgic
BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
------------------------------------------------------
'Ne damo ni jedan jedini centimetar.'
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: kai@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu (kai -Visitor)
Subject: Re: I AM BACK!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:43:32 GMT

In article  <1992Apr16.170501.11183@husc3.harvard.edu>
benedejc@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
: 
:  [  ... ]
: 
: But, anyway, everything is cool now, I am back, and all my fans out there
: need not worry, because you'll be getting more of my usual stuff.  Only
: this time it's gonna be NEW and IMPROVED!  Ha, ha, ha!

  According to CNN there has been called an urgent meeting by the 
  President of the United States in the US State Department this evening.
  The White House Spokeswoman Margaret Tutwiler first expresed the best wishes
  to the readers of s.c.y and then announced the one and only conclusion of
  this evening unexpected meeting: " We are sorry to learn of the recent
  announcement on the s.c.y by Mr Andrej Benedejcic.  We are gravely concerned
  about the unfortunate timing of the unilateral change.  We have already sent
  a note of protest to the Harward University to deprive Andrej of his 
  daily slice of cheesecake for the next ten days.  The fans of Andrej are
  promised our unreserved assistance.  We want back Andrej CLASSIC!"

  A parallel EC meeting in Babina Greda produced a split between Britain and
  Germany and France on the other side.  Britain favored Andrej Decaf,
  while Germany and France advocated Andrej Nutrasweet.  It is believed that
  the EC will eventually agree on Diet Andrej.  An unspecified Europien country 
  expressed a disagreement with the EC policy and requested that the new
  name contains word Slovenian.

  From the other part of the world:
  The race of elefants in Afganistan produced an unusual 7-way tie. The rerun
  is scheduled for tomorrow at 4p.m.

: 
: Regards,
: 
: Andrej

Regards,

Hrabri Rajic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R)
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:07:43 GMT

In article <16765@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.025840.13893@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>
>>I think it goes without saying that the sooner the Yugoslav Army dies, the 
>>sooner there will be peace.
>
>I still think you are wrong in adressing the issue.
>
>
>My point is that YNA should be simply transformed into Serbian Army,
>with reliable people who do not shoot in their people's and soldiers back,
>who are disciplined, well organized, and capable of stopping any criminal
>activity within the army. of course, generals do not listen.

It IS a Serbian army in everything but name.  And you see the result now
in Bosnia where the army of the people is standing by while innocents get
killed and expelled from their homes.

Notice that is was Arkan's forces, i.e. well organized, loyal Serbian forces,
who took over Zvnornik and are shooting in Sarajevo.  Not the undisciplined
JNA (which are, however, displaying their 'unprofessionalism' in Mostar).
 
Regards,

Joe Blazic
blazic@ecf.toronto.edu
From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Happy April 10
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:55:12 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr13.203721.27566@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) complains about:
>stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) wrote:
>> I would like to remind everyone on the great occasion.  The fifty-first
>> anniversary of the formation of the one thousand years old dream of the
>> Croatian people, the Independent state of Croatia I.

I have just quoted beloved father of the nation, pres.Dr. Franjo Tudjman,
who alienated Serbs in SR (then) Croatia by saying that NDH I was a dream
of Croatian people.  So following lines you should adress to him:

>
>You, sir, are a murderous Nazi scumbag of the like I have not seen on the
>net anywhere but B-CPU.  Eat shit and die.
>

He would be glad that people finally realised that he has changed, and 
from communist general became a murderous Nazi scumbag.  That would help
him with his friend canc. Kohl.

>Now a question. 
OB
Now, a comment.   It seems to me that I have touched some painful memories
here.  Has, may be, grandpa used the "Ratline" to avoid justful punishment
after WWII, or is it just solidarity with the "Murderers in the name
of god?" 

>It isn't long since opinions like that were treated in
>Croatia with near universal and well-deserved revulsion, and not just
>because the Yugoslav cops were looking.  OK, the Pavelic fan club may have
>grown a bit over the war, but I am not going to believe that the Croatian
>people have en masse turned into subhuman turds like this guy just because
>of Milosevic.  Does anyone have any hard evidence on how extensive the real
>hard-core, killer, Ustasha tendency is?  Numbers?
>


Ask BBB when backing HASK " Gradjanski," ask Blaz Kraljevic, the 
leader of HOS (16 000 men) in Western Hercegovina, while he gives 
an interview with Pavelic's photo above his head. Read DANAS, ST, 
GLAS(T)NIK.

>--  Jack Campin    

Milan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in former YU (Eastern Europe)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:40:34 GMT

In article <16443@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>
>My reasons for "not wanting to go back" are purely political and economical.
>My reasons to go back are based on my feelings, i.e. I really feel bad from
>time to time for being away from the life I had i BG. Hence I think I do not
>confirm your "hypothesis". Put me this way : If Serbia wants a computer
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>programmer (i.e. me), she has to gimme at least the same offer as some
 ^^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>foreign company. I would be more then glad to help Serbia in the area I am
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>good at, but under no circumstances I will work under payed, in politically
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>unstable society. That's what Serbian leadership has to realize : they can
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>bitch and moan about "brain drain" from Serbia, but it is their and entirely
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>their fault for such situation. I have seen other Serbs accusing "us" (i.e.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>emigrants) for being selfish and "cowards" etc. What they do not understand
>is that "we" (emigrants) are more then willing to help Serbian in the areas
>we are good at. It is just that if we step out to help, Serbia has to do the
>same. Mentioning "Serbia" so far I am referring to the government of Serbia
>who is responsible for regulating the life in the state.

And once more: Serbia as it is, is your country?

LPA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: kai@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu (kai -Visitor)
Subject: Re: Muhamed Filipovic in "DANAS"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:31:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.043306.4989@athena.mit.edu>
dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic) writes:
:  [ .. . ]
: 
: 	Deputy Secretary of State Lawrence
: Eagleburger Wednesday ``underscored our grave concern and our
: condemnation of Serbian aggression against Bosnia'' to Yugoslavia's
: ambassador to the United States, Dzevad Mujedinovic.
:
:   [ ... ]

Anybody knows where Mr Mujedinovic is comming from?

Thanks,

Hrabri
From: stojanov@husc8.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Croatian postage stamps
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:07:21 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr8.203704.10862@husc3.harvard.edu> benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
OB
>	I HEREBY STATE UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT ISTRA IS A PART OF SLOVENIA!
>	IT USED TO BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE DUCHY OF CARNIOLA 
>  	(VOJVODINA KRANJSKA) AND OF NAPOLEON'S ILLYRIAN PROVINCES
>	(WITH THE CENTER IN LJUBLJANA)!  THEREFORE, ISTRA RIGHTFULLY
>	BELONGS TO US!
>
>I know that I'll get flamed for this statement, but what do I care?  I am
>secure in my conviction that one day the Slovenian tricolor, emblazoned
>with the blue eagle of Carniola, will flutter over the Slovenian city of
>Pula.
>       v    
>       Z I V E L A   Z E D I N J E N A   S L O V E N I J A !
> v
> Z I V E L A   S L O V E N S K A   N A C I O N A L N A   S T R A N K A !
>             v                                 v   v
>             Z I V E L   Z M A G O   J E L I N C I C !
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Andrej 
>
>
>P.S.  Remember:  "TIGR" stood for Trst, Istra, Gorica, Reka!
>
>
You have missed your chance.  Instead of kissing German and Italian
...  , you could have made a deal with us, and we would have now common
border.  Now, situation is changing.  MSI, lead by beautiful Alessandra
M., will take over power, and guess whom will Serbs support?


Milan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: jovanovic-nick@CS.YALE.EDU (Nick Jovanovic)
Subject: Re: Austrian TV and Radio
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.172138.25793@uwm.edu> djukanov@cs.uwp.edu (Krsta Djukanovic) writes:
> Hi 
> It  came to my attention the other day that
> Austrian Radio and Television is state owned, only, and
> there is no other independent television and radio stations
> within Austria. 
> Is that correct or is it just something spread around 
> so that democracy of Austria is being blamished.?
>	 Can anybody tell us a little more about newsmedia in 
>	 this country? 
>
>	    With best regards
>			    Krsta
>
How can Austrian democracy be any more blemished as long as
Kurt Waldheim is president?

Large news media in the US is *big business*, and profit driven, not
state owned.  It's more like *big business* owns the state, instead
of the other way around.

-Nick Jovanovic


Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: cs4gp6al@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)
Subject: Canadian Example ( wasRe: Emigrants and their political role in former YU (Eastern Europe))
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 04:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.105434.10640@husc3.harvard.edu> benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:
>ha!) Milosevic!  (By the way, is it true that Kapetan Dragan is actually
>of Jewish background?)  Moreover, it is extremely interesting to note
>that the leaders of Austrian and Italian anti-Slovene parties (the Heimatdienst
>and Liga di Trieste) are both of Slovene origin!

In Canada, an Ontario francaphone was "booted" out of the Reform Party for
burning a Quebec fleur de lis flag in Chatham.  

Peter Granic

Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: mitrovic@tik.ethz.ch (Srdjan Mitrovic)
Subject: Re: STARCEVIC on Croatian stamps (Was: Croatian postage stamps)
Organization: TIK, ETH Zuerich, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:57:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.222301.2976@wuecl.wustl.edu> victor@jezebel.wustl.edu
(Victor Wickerhauser) writes:
>
>Please distinguish between verbal or symbolic violence and real physical
>violence.  

Without wanting to compare Hitler to anybody, I guess that he did not
commit any physical violence but this does not mean that he is
qualified for being put on a stamp. Well, actually it depends... ;-)


>If it bothers you so much that Croatia is so "insensitive" as to
>put Ante Starcevic's face on a stamp, why are you so quiet about Serbia
>putting several thousand artillery rounds into the old town of Dubrovnik?
>

There are even worse things then shelling of Dubrovnik and you did
not mention it neither. Putting a racist on a stamp has nothing
to do with them. Imagine the Croatian weekly DANAS writing first
about all "crimes" comitted against Croatia before daring to 
criticize. It's ridiculous. No it's worse - it is unimaginative
rhetorics. After trying to sell Starcevic as being a male Mother
Theresa and being confonted with facts, the last ressort is the
old scheme of rhetorics: if you are weak on one front, move the attack
on the other one. Pah!

Please try to keep a decent intellectual level on SCY.


Srdjan Mitrovic



Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: Lipicaners
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:43:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.150700.14282@bernina.ethz.ch> mitrovic@tik.ethz.ch (Srdjan Mitrovic) writes:
>
>Anybody knows the importance of the "horse industry" in Lipica?

Well, Lipica is a tourist resort with a hotel, "casino", and ...
horses. Horses are not famous only as a tourist attraction, but also
as a very good horses for competition. The problem of the horse itself
is that it is too low (although very easy to teach) and hence referees
don't like to give him high marks on competition.

Regards,

Andrej
From: na0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nenad Antonic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:17:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Stanislav Markovic writes:

> "what was it this week: sljem, kaciga or tjemenac"

    Again, discussing foreign languages is your passion.
Well, try this one:
        sjajno\v{s}ljemac
to see that foreign languages can be to difficult for you.
Or, am I possibly wrong, and you know the meaning?

    Regards

        Nenad Antoni\'c.