From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: cdtv is dead.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:05:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.4477.28518@dosgate> "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
>
>MS>I have said this many times before...  The engineers at CBM are too wrapped
>MS>up in making the OS the only application for the machine.  If they spent 5%
>MS>of their resources making a REAL application, like Windows Write or Term 2.2,
>MS>or AmigaUUCP (and GRn :), they'd learn quickly what their theoretical OS
>MS>knowledge was lacking in terms of application support.  Good ideas in an OS
>MS>don't make a machine good enough to use for application work.  Good features
>MS>to support applications make the machine good enough to use for applications
>MS>work.
>
>MS>And on top if it, they COULD have some useful things for the Amiga to do
>MS>right out of the box, even if it were just to use a modem to call someplace
>MS>to download stuff from the fish disks.  But compared to the more popular OSes,
>MS>AmigaOS comes with nada.

> As for Workbench not including any applications. Dos doesn't come with
>any applications. System 7 doesn't come with any applications. Windows comes
>with some primitive applications but Windows isn't considered a real OS.

All DOS has is the MSDOS Shell, MS Edit, QuickBasic, and a few lame 
BASIC programs to run.

I dunno about the Mac.

Windows *is* considered to be an OS by many people.  Is doesn't matter - 
it provides more functionality than AmigaDOS out of the box,
so Mike says, and using a
narrow definition of 'OS' to keep from comparing it is loony.

If you reread Mike's post, you'll note that *he* considered the Windows
applets not 'primitive'.  He has called Write for Windows nearly
equivalent to what I gather is a common Amiga WP - Prowrite.  Have you
used Windows? Window 3.1 has even more than Win3.0 (the last one I used).
Write, Terminal, Notepad, Paintbrush, Calender, (yikes, either that was all
for Win3.0 or I've forgotten!)

Then, there is OS/2 2.0, and there is LOTSA stuff it!
For allthe HD space it can take up, it better! :-)

> I do agree that Commodore should include some software so it's ready to use
>out of the box. They always package Word Pros. Paint Program ect. with the
>A500. I would like to see them include some software packages with the Amiga
>3000 and Amiga 4000 computers. They could include something like Final Copy
>or another Amiga Word Pro. along with a few other programs.

Many, many PC vendors offer software with the computer.  Some come with
integrated packages like Microsoft Work/MW4Windows, or things like
Ami Pro or Word.  They are a bit more upscale - your mileage may vary.

It is nice that AmigaDOS come with SOMETHING, but it would be nice if C=
put in the basics found in Windows.

>
>          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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