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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford - Notre Dame
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:56:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct3.235628.14630
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BvKCv3.Dr1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:

>Notre Dame is being crushed by 17 points late in the fourth ... YES!!!

Sure enough.  After ND safetied SU on their first play from scrimmage,
then waltzed down the field like a hot knife through soft butter, I
said, "all right, a serious butt-kicking for Stanfurd COMING UP!"
Even though ND's QB looked seriously awful (4 of 16 at one point), 
I thought the game looked safe even when ND failed to convert a 4th
down in Stanfurd territory with a minute left in the half and the
score 16-6 favor of ND, at which point I got up to mow the lawn.  
Little did I realize that I was doing my own personal reenactment of
the infamous "Heidi game" (which most of you are too young to remember), 
as I later heard that the halftime score was 20-16 Stanfurd!  Sigh.

I didn't watch the 2nd half (Cal was on the radio throttling a truly
pitiful and unimaginative OSU team who I believe only threw two passes
all day; way to try to get back into a game), but I guess that ND's
QB situation went from bad to worse.

I can't stand it.  I just can't STAND it!  How does Stanfurd manage
to do it EVERY YEAR?  How do they take an entire season's worth of
karma and cram it into one game against a huge opponent?  It is
truly remarkable.  ND this year and two years ago, UA several years
ago when they had been ranked #1 earlier in the season, Oklahoma
three or four years ago, Washington (in Washington no less, right)
three (?) years ago, Cal last year (1/2 smiley), etc...  They do
get up for the big ones, don't they?  Had Stanfurd played today
like they did against SJSU last week, forget it.

I'm not sure that I'm looking forward to Big Game this year.



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From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:02:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.124611.23629@dvorak.amd.com> chrisk@nucleus.amd.com (Chris Kosh) writes:
>Would someone in this newsgroup please pass the word to the
>peons in oklahoma that its time once again.  Let them know to
>go ahead and begin talking because they simply cannot beat a 
>team from a superior state, regardless of talent, tradition,
>ranking, or record.
>
>
>See ya in Dallas, if you can find your way and the telegraphs
>get the message that far.
>
>
>		For the fourth year in a row, 

I just hope the best team wins, for change.

    OOOO      
   O    O     =================================== |     Bill Dostalik
   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            | dostalik@utdallas.edu
   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |    Dept. of Physics    
    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    | Univ. of Okla. @ Dallas    
      U    U  =================================== | 
       UUUU                                       |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
From: drune@north3.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: JP Sports ACC schedule
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:38:15 GMT
Reply-To: drune@north3.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)
Distribution: usa


In article <1992Sep28.015135.15037@infonode.ingr.com>, ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington) writes:
> 
|> JP Sports ACC schedule
|> 
|> Oct  3  NC State at Georgia Tech
|> Oct 10  North Carolina at Florida St.
|> Oct 17  Virginia at North Carolina
|> Oct 24  Ga. Tech at North Carolina
|> Oct 31  Duke at Ga. Tech
|> Nov  7  NC State at Virginia; Maryland at Florida St.
|> Nov 14  Clemson at Maryland; Duke at NC State
|> Nov 21  North Carolina at Duke; South Carolina at Clemson
|> 	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> All games noon ET
|> 
|> Games are subject to change if a major network picks up one
|> of these games.
|> 
|> Bob E.
|>

Didn't think Duke + NC St played 2 weeks in a row!!
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From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACC This Week: Predictions and Such
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:41:44 GMT

In article <9210011929.AA12584@walt.disney>, chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill) writes:
>
>
>A nasty week last week.  Very nasty.
>
>
>This week's game:
>
>Virginia at Wake:  It's be worse than last week, as Welsh won't call
>off the dogs.  After a 55-6 thumping, Welsh will say his team isn't playing
>well enough to beat a good I-AA school.
>
>UVa 55  Wake 6

Can't argue with that.



>
>
>Navy at North Carolina:  Will Navy score?  Will Navy have any qb's left?
>
>UNC 38   Navy 3
>

This potentially could be the Heels last win of the year. They have
no chance of beating FSU, little chance of beating Virginia and
Clemson, and wins over Maryland, Georgia Tech and Duke no longer
seem as certain as they did at the beginning of the season. The biggest
surprise in UNC's loss to NCSU last week was the Tarheel defense(or lack
of). The defense was supposed to be this years teams stong point but that
obviously is not the case . After this week the rest of the season will
depend on the offenses ability the score points. The Heels have the
talent on offense but do they have a coach who knows who to make the
best use of it? We'll know in a couple weeks.




>
>Pittsburgh at Maryland:  Maryland will no longer be the best team in the
>land without a win.
>
>Maryland 41  Pitt 31
>
>

Didn't Maryland they get 500+ yards last week while getting blown out by
PSU? Did they turn the ball over alot?




>NC State at Georgia Tech:  Both teams coming off big wins.  NC State's
>been emotionally high for 2 weeks and the game will be on turf.
>
>Tech 24  State 17
>
>

Since Dick Sheridan has been at State their record is 3-6 on artificial
turf. The fact that they do not have an artificial turf practice field
may play a roll in that record . I beleive that FSU is the only other
ACC team that does not have an artificial turf practice field.



>Tennessee-Chattanooga at Clemson:  Now this is more like it!  Clemson fans
>can get together, get drunk at the tailgate, and discuss who'll be coaching
>next year and exactly how many conference games the Tigers will lose this
>year.
>
>Clemson 45   UTC 6
>

I've heard rumors that Clemson might have an eye on Dick Sheridan.
Anyone else hear anything. Is Hattfield really finished? Will winning
the rest this years games save his job? What about the rumor about
Danny Ford and South Carolina?


>
>FSU at Miami:  Big game.  FSU is #2.
>
>
>FSU 24  Miami 16
>
>
>

I agree, FSU wins it in the orange bowl. If FSU wins this one Virginia
and Florida seem to be their only real obsticles to an undefeated 
season athough I wouldn't consider Tech a gimme.



>Last: 3-2
>Year: 9-3
>
>
>
>Curtis Hill
>star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org
>
>
>
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From: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Reply-To: jbc4m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (John B. Carr)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.201645.4539@colorado.edu>,
manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
|> Virginia's out of conference schedule looks pathetic...

	True, but we only get 3 out of conference games and Va Tech
pretty much has to be one of them :)

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: No, I mean the Safety Dance
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:07:44 GMT

In article <6OCT199210135211@isolde.gfdi.fsu.edu> scott@isolde.gfdi.fsu.edu  
(SCOTT) writes:
> By "safety dance" I don't mean just signaling a safety.
> I mean that you do the dance from the Men Without Hats
> video.  It involves making an S with your arms, kind of 
> like so:
>                --	This is what you do when your
>               | 0       gets a safety.  Now if the band
>                \|       would just learn the tune, we'd
>                 |\      be set.  Of course FSU's band
>                -+/      sucks, but that's another post.
>                 |

We did this at Duke, but, unfortunately, usually the five
of us that played the song and did the dance had to do it
while OUR TEAM was being safetied.  

The hip FSU band did play "American Gladiators", though...

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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Dobson usenet power ratings 9/30/92
Keywords: its a joke, dummy. get it?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:51:01 GMT

DOBSON USENET POWER RATINGS

Based on amount of woofing from fans

1. Notre Dame
   Miami (tie--these are so bad I had to killfile ND - Miami)
3. FSU
4. Virginia
5. Washington
6. Nebraska
7. NC State
8. NORTHERN IOWA
9. SMU
10. Rutgers
10. Va Tech (based soley on pre-season strength; there has been a not-
so-mysterious lack of tech woofing lately........)

maybe this is how i should do my top 25 vote...;-)
and no, this is NOT based on a real count of usenet articles....

-rob
From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: NU-Purdue result/Big Ten
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:16:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.041844.21075@news.acns.nwu.edu> fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
>Seriously, though, I can't be the only one scared about what happened
>Saturday: four upsets!  (Five, if you believe some people in Iowa City... :)
>Was it just "Big Fluke" day?  Is the Big 10 really that fallible?  Will we
>ever again have a second-place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Will we
>ever again have a FIRST place team with a 7-1 conference record?  Yes, I
>know, some Ann Arbor-ites would beg to differ, but the season's still
>young, and tying Notre Dame looks less and less like a spectacular feat...
>
>What's going on?


  An interesting question... So now Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, 
Northwestern, and Michigan State are all tied for first place in 
the Big10! Incredible! Except for Michigan, the Big10 seems to have 
found a peculiar level of parity. I'm not sure if its good or bad. 
Our out of conference record is abysmal, but we've played good teams: 
Notre Dame four times, Colorado twice, Boston College twice, Miami, 
North Carolina State, Syracuse, California, Stanford, and Washington. 
14 top25 teams out of a possible 31 spots. As far as I can tell, not
one divI-AA team. I'm not even counting Penn State. Even Northwestern, 
the perennial doormat of the conference, played Notre Dame, Stanford 
and Boston College this year. How many top 25 teams does the SEC play 
out of conference? I count TexasA&M (LSU), Florida State (Florida), 
Georgia Tech (Georgia) and Clemson (South Carolina) and this with 
a conference with 12 members. How many divI-AA teams? I know, I know... 
The SEC is so tough that their out-of-conference schedule is 
the only time for them to rest up. But then how do you know the SEC 
is tough? Well because of their out-of-conference record! It's a 
circular argument. 
   Actually, I'm only kidding (well partly)... I have the greatest 
admiration for the SEC. But as conferences continue to grow it'll 
become even more difficult to compare teams since the systems become 
more closed as teams play fewer out-of-conference teams. Even looking 
at common opponents is misleading, because they're so few of them and 
teams change throughout the year. It's not unusual to have A beat B, 
B beat C, and C beat A as will undoubtably happen in the Pac10, 
Big10, and SEC (and probably the others, though I haven't followed
them that close). 

  What's the best way to *objectively* compare conferences in a single 
year... Bowl games? I'm not talking about past history, just in the 
current year. I suspect some of the computer rankings posted is probably
the best way.
 
Another thought, maybe the top25 teams have such good records because
they play so many Big10 teams (ala Notre Dame) :-\

-bob
a Michigan fan.
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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: div II rankings for Jacksonville St.?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:59:22 GMT


After Jacksonville State kissed Missisister College 14-14, what did
they end up as in the Div II polls?

Thanks (Why won't USA Today put this poll in the paper?)
Bob E.
From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:57:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC

In article <1992Sep29.091847.2897@wam.umd.edu> mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:
>Gee...but it's great how the lamer games are all first giving them
>(uva) an illusion of grandeur...
>

Mary, you _know_ that most UVa people don't believe that UVa is number
one, not for a minute (or you _should_ be smart enough to know this).
Can't you tell the difference between a clueles woofer (there was ONE)
and the rest of the UVa posters (there are several). Yeah, the rest of
us believe we have a good team, certainly deserving of Top-25 ranking,
but we aren't claiming the national championship. Based on our lack of
speed on the defensive side, I'd probably rank us a little lower myself.

But, just to defend the woofer a little, and to make a point about
beating weaker teams: yes, UVa only beat Duke this weekend, but they
beat Duke BADLY (it was 55-14 until Duke scored two meaningless
end-of-game TDs), just like they beat an awful Navy team BADLY and a
GOOD Georgia Tech team BADLY. This does _not_ qualify UVa for the
national championship, but it _does_ show that UVa can handle the
teams it is supposed to whip. How many times each Saturday does a
"good team" have trouble with a nobody, or, worse, get beat? A lot. So
administering spankings to the Dukes of Div-IA (and Duke often gives
good teams, such as Clemson, competitive games, if not losses) _does_ at
least indicate that UVa is a _good_ team, if not great. They've
certainly come a long way since beating your Terps by only 13 in an
ugly opening game.

Jay Boisseau


-- 

*********************************
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  Department of Astronomy
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowl alliance a crock!
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:35:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct1.153541.770
Organization: The Ohio State University

<KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>The bowl alliance is a crock of sh**.
>In yesterday's USA Today, it was reported that the bowl alliance has said
>that if Penn State is undefeated, they will not send a Washington
>or a Florida State to the Blockbuster bowl to crown a true National Champion.

In my understanding, any team not committed to a bowl by virtue of being a 
conference champion can decline an invitation to seek a better payout or a 
better matchup.  Hence, should Penn State and Florida State be undefeated and 
ranked #1 and #2, FlaSt might choose to decline an alliance bid to play Penn 
State in the Video Bowl.  Is that correct Mark?

>First of all it is the alliance's fault for not having PSU as a part of it
>this season anyway, thus PSU had to make the unprecedented committment to the
>Video people in the summer.

The alliance is not at fault here.  It is a Big Ten rule which forbids Penn 
State to participate in alliance bowls.  No Big Ten team is permitted to 
participate.  Is this unfair?  Tough!  It is the price Penn State must pay for 
upgrading its non-football sports by joining the Big Ten.

>To rip off the fans of a true national championship game in the first year of
>the alliance is horrible.  I want to see #1 vs #2 if at all possible!!!!

Since when is it anybody's "responsibility" to give you what you want?  And no,
throwing a tantrum won't help either.

     - Pat
.
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:03:10 EDT
From: <LNF@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND & polls


In article <1992Sep29.181453.16844@wl.com>, wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) says:
>
>        After the most recent CNN poll where Penn State moved ahead of ND,
>I don't think that anyone can claim tht ND is given special favors in the
>polling system. They haven't lost to anyone this year, and you can all save
>your comments about the Michigan game, and they have still dropped 4 spots
>in this poll. You can say what you want about the competition thay have
>beaten but PSU has exactly beaten any juggernauts either but yet they have

Now this isn't exactly true.  Sure, Penn State has only played 4 games
this year and none on these opponents have yet won a game...BUT, we
expect them to come on strong later in the season!

Another thing.  Next week's opponent is much stronger than any of the
previous powerhouses.  Rutgers has actually won ONE game this year.  I'm
fairly sure their win was against a tough junior college or girl's school.

Larry
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:55:41 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND Reigns Supreme

In article <1992Sep25.214759.8350@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, glongiii@nyx.cs.du.edu
(George Long) says:

>Hey, let's not kid ourselves here.  When it
>comes to football, ND is the best.  End of subject.
>I don't want to hear anything about Miami, that
>convict-producing, kickback-giving, no class-taking
>joke of a school.
>Maybe they should play Florida A&M every week.
>I don't see them with their own television contract.
>Remember, all you Miami fans:
>We're Notre Dame and you're not.

This is what happens, folks, when you leave your terminal unattended.



------------
Kurt Ludwick
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From: rszczerb@renoir.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Miami-Arizona
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:20:16 GMT

All flames and woofing aside (at least for the moment) ...
I'm really curious to know what exactly happened at the
Miami game this past weekend.  I only got to see the final
field goal attempt on TV.  Was Miami really just having a 
bad game or was Arizona playing the game of their lives?

		- rob
From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ACC This Week: Predictions and Such
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:29:57 GMT



A nasty week last week.  Very nasty.


This week's game:

Virginia at Wake:  It's be worse than last week, as Welsh won't call
off the dogs.  After a 55-6 thumping, Welsh will say his team isn't playing
well enough to beat a good I-AA school.

UVa 55  Wake 6


Navy at North Carolina:  Will Navy score?  Will Navy have any qb's left?

UNC 38   Navy 3


Pittsburgh at Maryland:  Maryland will no longer be the best team in the
land without a win.

Maryland 41  Pitt 31


NC State at Georgia Tech:  Both teams coming off big wins.  NC State's
been emotionally high for 2 weeks and the game will be on turf.

Tech 24  State 17


Tennessee-Chattanooga at Clemson:  Now this is more like it!  Clemson fans
can get together, get drunk at the tailgate, and discuss who'll be coaching
next year and exactly how many conference games the Tigers will lose this
year.

Clemson 45   UTC 6


FSU at Miami:  Big game.  FSU is #2.


FSU 24  Miami 16



Last: 3-2
Year: 9-3



Curtis Hill
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Purdue sucks
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:36:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

I personally hold all you people who woofed right after our upset of
California responsible for Purdont's demise.  You screwed with the woofing
gods, and you got them really pissed.  I heard talk of bowl games and such.
And when I was skeptical, I got responses flaming my current address's
(Wisconsin - where I happen to be for graduate school) team.  Well, look
what happnes.....
-- 

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From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MICH: 60 something HOUSTON:7
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:44:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcc.1992Sep29.164421.7288
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX

> }} "They're a fine team.  Michigan can't do
> }} anything about the loss to Notre Dame, but they have the capability to
> }} do wonderful things the rest of the season."

> Is Jenkins editing history now?  What loss to Notre Dame?

Like the rest of us, Jenkins refuses to believe that Grbac threw that
last interception.

Jenkins said "the tie with Notre Dame."  Hey, I said it wasn't an
exact quote, didn't I?
-- 
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From: tbreeden@afit.af.mil (Thomas A. Breeden)
Subject: usa
Originator: tbreeden@wb11
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:05:17 GMT

What ever happened to FSU's super-recruit, Marquette
Smith?  I figured by now, he'd be running up a storm.

Andy

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