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From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Subject: Re: How Turkic Are the "Uygurs"
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:06:07 GMT

    I don't know how close are Uighurs genetically to people in today's
Turkey.  So please excuse me for talking about what happened to them in
the Tang Dynasty.  But that is what others are talking about, too :-).

    Tang Dynasty's founding father allied with the Eastern Turks to take
the China.  Then they beat their previous ally and rendered the Eastern
Turks to shambles.  To maintaining the peace in the north frontier, Tang
emperor allowed Uighurs to take Mongolia in 744, thus wiped the Eastern
Turks out for now and all.  Apparently the Uighurs were grateful to Tang's
acquiesce, they became Tang's voluntary ally since then.  But I am not sure
whether they were ever in a vessal status.

    At that time Uighurs had nothing to do with Islam, they were Manicheist.
And they were not in Xinjiang at all.  Maybe some part of Xinjiang, north
of the Kunlun Mountain. The south of the Kunlun Mountain was in Tang's
hand.  Uighurs entered north China to fight An-Shi rebels from the Mongolia.

    In post <1g9s0oINNl1m@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> (11 Dec 1992) Ross Paterson
writes,

> The Uighurs moved from Mongolia to XinJiang around 840 when their empire
> was destroyed by another Turkish tribe (the Kirghiz?).  This was almost a
> century after the Tang lost XinJiang.  Islam got there some time later.
> Their lifestyle in XinJiang was agricultural; I don't know about when
> they were in Mongolia.  They didn't become part of the Chinese empire
> until the 18th century.

    You got it right, it was the Kirghiz who ousted Uigurs from Mongolia.
They then settled down in Xinjiang and later became Genghis Khan's subject
before we Han Chinese :-).  So they were rated higher in Mongols' "loyality
scale" :-), i.e.,  Mongol > "Colored eyes" > Han > the Southerner.  Though
Yuan emperor was supposed to be the Greater Khan of all the four Mongol
Khanates, I don't know how legitimately we can claim Xinjiang was a part of
China in the Yuan Dynasty.  They were under a Khanate different from ours.

    In article <92Dec10.165619est.54@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> (10 Dec 92)
Yuanhui Liu writes,

> One Tang Emperor (I believe it's De Zong) was humiliated once by the Khan
> of Hui2Hu2 while he was still a prince (but the crown prince never the
less,
> and at that moment a field marshal of the Tang Army), even later the
Emperor
> personally hate the Khan he dared not break the alliance.

    But Tang royalties did take revenge on their valuable yet demanding
ally in a rather ugly way.  After Uighurs' defeat in Mongolia, Manicheism
was immediately outlawed in China.  Then religious persecution went into
rampage, fanned by some zealous Taoists in particular, and the Buddhism got
its last major blow-out before CCP's persecutions a thousand years later.

    That leaves a question: before Uighurs took Mongolia at 744, where did
they live?  My guess is that they were in farther north of today's Xinjiang
and Mongolia.
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:32:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <BzDzL6.KGL@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <BzDs7v.Euu@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.004050.10839@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>...
>>Well, let me try my luck.
>>
>>No.2 and No.3 are the doors of the car.
>
>Wrong as Yao told me.
>Correction: two of the three doors are those of the car, this may help.
>Am I still wrong?
>If the positions of the doors are in a row, and the No. 2 is in the 
>middle, I already got the cheap car, and was driving around.
>
>:-q
>
>I might be wrong again, then let's try the following one, if I had really 
>been there: I somehow saw, after the door had opened, the car. Then you 
>know what I was going to do: I jumped into it, drove away, and bragged 
>around.
>
>Am I still wrong? If yes, I have to wait for another chance to get a NEW
>car. :-)
>
>---- A Q
>
>>I hope that I can drive the car home, though it only worths $200.
>>:*8

I think some people don't believe the seriousness of this problem, like
with fun problem No.1. Let me assure you: this problem is as worth
trying as the 13 balls one. Up to now, I've received only one correct
answer from huilong@phoenix.princeton.edu, who also gave a solution
for problem No.1, very impressive.

Meng
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From: wchen@top.cis.syr.edu (Wayne W Chen)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:56:30 EST

In article <1992Dec14.221718.4168@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>From article <1992Dec14.193434.25202@athena.mit.edu>, by joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang):

>to try? Have you thought about the cost? Can you afford it?
>
    Vice versa, try to think about the cost that China should not react
very strongly in face of a Taiwanese independence.  

>Taiwanese will do what we can to prevent a war. If it cannot be
>avoided at last, we are not afraid of invaders.
>
    To think Taiwan can avoid a war with China is a bit too naive, no
    matter how you try to achieve your "independence", or "separation"
    as most Chinese would perceive it.  
	No one is trying to inply the pro-independence Taiwanese is afraid 
    of any "foreign invation". It is quite clear they are willing to 
    sacrifice the wellbeing of the island to achieve their "natioal 
    soverenty", just as the Chinese went to war with the west in Korea,
    and the Taiwanese fought the Dutch and Japan when the invadors came 
    ashore. However, to ask you with your well-thought question, does 
    all these sacrifices worth the cost?  Many of us would agree with your
    suggestion that ratinality is very much in need in this situation.
                    ~~~~~~~~~~               
>Kind of curious, China hates (or dislikes) Imperialism. And now you
>establish new Imperialism. Isn't it a shame?
>
    See, if you look at it from other people's perspective, this so
    called "imperialism" is sometimes called "nationalism" or the
    "liberation of the repressed population from the illegitmate
    regime".  No shame! pal.  In politics, there is absolutely no
    shame.
>
>Heng-Hsin
>

-Wen



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From: jmg135@psuvm.psu.edu (Asli Enderoglu)
Subject: test
Summary:  <none>
Keywords: <none>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:20:22 GMT

test.test
asli
enderoglu
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Character problem
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:13:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bz988n.Ant@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>*            ------       ---       /
>*    |-  --- |---   |---  --|  +  -----   ----
>*    O   O|  |  |   | O   O |  O  / O     / O  
>*        \|  |---   |___   \|
>*            |____
>*                                         (stone)

This conplete the answer set.  The first and the third are invalid
as well as the following one:
 ---
O |     ding5
 \|

I guess no 7th answer :)

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.china
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.094603.21399@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.142143.4647@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>>In article <BzCI8x.H22@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>Excuse me, but if there is no "human rights", this means you will be living
>>in a country, and, as a human, you lose its rights! (human rights!)
>>Democracy is necessary because if the government is bad, then we
>>can select another government. Simple. Since China government is bad
>>at political issues (e.g. kill people, no matter a hundred or even one),
>
>US killed at least 4 students in the campus I am studying now (also in Kent)
>while they were tring to stop US killing thousands in other countries.  Just
>a reminder. 

Can only one gives more details about this? Since no detail is given,
no comment.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:30:49 GMT

From article <BzB5yE.285v@austin.ibm.com>, by tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee):
> 
> Remember, this is a forum for opinions from cultural point of view. 
> That makes the arguments go on and on ... Like the battery advertisement. 8=)
> 
> What the netters argued about is whether residents in Taiwan should be 
> think of Chinese. 
> 
> One side tried to convey the idea that people in Taiwan are Chinese
> *culturally*.
> 
> The other side seems to reject the ideas to be forced to be considered
> as Chinese nationals. And, these people largely are pro-TI, pro-DPP, TIers,
> or DPPers. I, personally, don't like to see the arguements from these people
> for their skin-deep, superficial and/or fanatical arguments. But, that does
> not mean I would forbid people to have these opinions. All opinions,
> IMHO, are based on the love for Taiwan.
> 

Give examples of superficial, fanatical arguments, will you?

Heng-Hsin

> 
> 
> -- 
> /* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
>  * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
> \* Ty Lee                                                                    */
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Character problem
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:57:58 GMT
Organization: UB

/* ding@iastate.edu (Y.G. Ding) wrote */:
* Here at the end are severn so far.

I am proud that I found an eighth. I have added my answer at the end of
the existing answers. My answer is wu2 xie4 ke3 ji4 (no crab to hit).

* Construct a Chinese character with one proper stroke from the following:
* 
*    -----------
* 
*     +-------+
*     |       |
*     +-------+
* 
* ------------------------------------------------
* 
*            ------       ---       /
*    |-  --- |---   |---  --|  +  -----   ----
*    O   O|  |  |   | O   O |  O  / O     / O  
*        \|  |---   |___   \|
*            |____
*                                         (stone)
* O stands for the square.  
* The third is a little shaky, may not valid if you have a rule, 
* but you did not.
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From: hxie@dps91a.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A situation puzzle
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:37:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

A situation puzzle:

A man lives on the twelfth floor of an apartment building.  Every morning 
he takes the elevator down to the lobby and leaves the building.  In the 
evening, he gets into the elevator, and, if there is someone else in the 
elevator -- or if it was raining that day -- he goes back to his floor 
directly.  However, if there is nobody else in the elevator and it hasn't 
rained, he goes to the 10th floor and walks up two flights of stairs to 
his room.  Explain why.

-Hongliang 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:56:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.053207.11534@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>In article <BzDzL6.KGL@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>In article <BzDs7v.Euu@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec17.004050.10839@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>>...
>>>Well, let me try my luck.
>>>
>>>No.2 and No.3 are the doors of the car.
>>
>>Wrong as Yao told me.
>>Correction: two of the three doors are those of the car, this may help.
>>Am I still wrong?
>>If the positions of the doors are in a row, and the No. 2 is in the 
>>middle, I already got the cheap car, and was driving around.
>>
>>:-q
>>
>>I might be wrong again, then let's try the following one, if I had really 
>>been there: I somehow saw, after the door had opened, the car. Then you 
>>know what I was going to do: I jumped into it, drove away, and bragged 
>>around.
>>
>>Am I still wrong? If yes, I have to wait for another chance to get a NEW
>>car. :-)
>>
>>---- A Q
>>
>>>I hope that I can drive the car home, though it only worths $200.
>>>:*8
>
>I think some people don't believe the seriousness of this problem, like

The reason was the title "fun problem...". So the solution 2 included the
possibility that a car, with two goals in it, was in a bedroom.
:-)
 
>with fun problem No.1. Let me assure you: this problem is as worth
>trying as the 13 balls one. Up to now, I've received only one correct
>answer from huilong@phoenix.princeton.edu, who also gave a solution
>for problem No.1, very impressive.
>
>Meng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: re math problem
From: <B7D@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:35:18 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I knew this damned severe snow storm would stop me from having access to SCC
 and obtaining a prize for provincial or Olympic No. ....:-). Anyway, although
 Mr. Ze Yang already provided a correct answer to the problem, I still like to
 compete for simplicity and being straightforward:-). So it goes:

     Let F(y) = -a*y**n + y**(n-1) + ... + y + 1.
     Since F(y) -> negtive infinity as y -> positive infinity, there must be
     a sufficiently large Y so that F(Y) < 0. For instance,
     F(1+1/a) = -a < 0.
     Since F(0) = 1 > 0, and F(y) is a continuous function, there is y = u
     so that 0 < u < (1+1/a) and F(u) = 0. In other word, we have at leas one
     real positive solution for the equation.

     Next let's prove the solution is unique.
     Since y = 0 is not a solution of F(y) = 0, the problem is
     equivalent to finding a solution for -a + G(y) = 0 or G(y) = a,
     where G(y) = 1/y + 1/y**2 + ... + 1/y**n.
     We could have finished proving by saying that since G(y) is a monotonic
     and continuous function, and 0 < G(y) < positive infinity
     for 0 < y < positive, there must be y = u and only one u so that G(u) = a
     for any 'a'. (I guess this one paragraph would suffice to win me a prize
     for simplicity in answering the whole question, not only for uniqueness:-)
     Let me draw a foot for a snake:-):
     Suppose we have two defferent positive solutions y1 and y2 for G(y) = a.
     Then we have G(y1) = G(y2) = a, or G(y1) - G(y2) = 0. In other word,
     (1/y1 - 1/y2) + ... + (1/y1**n - 1/y2**n) = 0. But, since for any m >= 1
     and y1 > 0 and y2 > 0, (1/y1**m - 1/y2**m) =/= 0 and has the same sign
     because y1 =/= y2, the sum of (1/y1**m - 1/y2**m) for 1 <= m <=n can not
     be equal 0. So, y1 must be equal to y2.

Thanks to your gentlemen for giving me a chance of showing that I have a dream,
 dreaming of being an mathematician, good or bad. I guess I will have a FAT
 chance of realizing the dream:-).

  Duane
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Re: The baby is being cut in half
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:44:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.134935.1@cua.edu> 54yang@cua.edu writes:
>Don't be too naive.  You should try to find out why Governer Pattern
>want to introduce this issue at this time.  His personal motivation,
>his personal interests, his political party's interests, UK's interests,
>etc. should be investigated.  
>
>Why UK didn't introduce the "democracy" 20 years ago, or 50 years ago when
>this kind of democracy has been enjoyed by British people?

This is a good question. Has anyone read any editor's column at any
newspaper about this topic?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Is Chairman Mao God?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:00:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.193303.4159@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>
>   ** That is a very interesting comparison though, it does not make Chairman
>Mao God at all. Neither Mao's birthdate (quite a coincidence) or his legacy
>(good or bad?) makes him God.  It is our stupidity and blind worship that
>created the Monster who nearly destroyed our nation. That some people are now
>beginning to worship Mao again simply reaffirms nothing but their stupidity and
>ignorance. Haven't we had enough miseries under Mao?  Or are just cherishing
>the memory of those good old days?
People can be more stupid and superstitious than worshiping GOD(reverse
spelling of DOG).
MAO is too sophisticated to be evaluated by couple of words:
 He lead Chinese stood up against West bully;
 He lead Chinese having self-surgery, Culture Revolution, painful and benifitial
too. Curruent mainlanders are much less superstitious, more rebellious, and
more agressive in persuing their goal, ect than their counter compatriots 
outside mainland and their before generations. That can be drectly attributted
to CR.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32566 soc.culture.hongkong:16238 soc.culture.taiwan:16140 talk.politics.china:3398
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:13:37 GMT


I got three solutions. :)

In article <BzDs7v.Euu@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.004050.10839@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
...
>Well, let me try my luck.
>
>No.2 and No.3 are the doors of the car.

1. Wrong as Yao told me.
Correction: two of the three doors are those of the car, this may help.
Am I still wrong?
If the positions of the doors are in a row, and the No. 2 is in the 
middle, I already got the cheap car, and was driving around.

:-q

2. I might be wrong again, then I would say that the two goats were in the 
two doors of the car, and the car is still behind the remaining door.
So no matter how I "failed", I still got the car and the two goats at 
the same time.

3. I might be wrong again and again :(, then let's try the following one, 
if I had really been there: I somehow saw, after the door had opened, 
the car. Then you know what I was going to do: I jumped into it, 
drove away, and bragged around.

Am I still wrong? If yes, I have to wait for another chance to get a NEW
car. :-)
---- A Q

>I hope that I can drive the car home, though it only worths $200.
>:*8

PS: please don't tell me that I am too greedy. If I failed, :-(
please give the car to other people. 

8*{}
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: asia2@igc.apc.org (John Nides, Louisa Coen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Democracy boat sailed last year?
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:39:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1472500017:000:539
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!asia2    Dec 14 22:39:00 1992


  
From:  Diana L., Univ. of Michigan
  
Looking for some details about the Democracy in China boat that
sailed from Europe to the South China sea last year.  It was 
refused permission to dock in Taiwan to get supplies, and had to
turn around and go back.  
  
Can anyone tell me the official name of the boat and the name of the
organization that launched the boat?
When, approximately, did the boat sail to the Pacific?
How much money did it cost?
Any details or a copy of any news articles would be greatly
appreciated.
  
Thank you!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lamx5870@mach1.wlu.ca (lewis lam)
Subject: a picture of Noriko Sakai
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:00:46 GMT

Anyone out there are interesting to get another picture of "another pretty
girl", you may go to the news group called "alt.binaries.pictures". 
I have posted one on there with the title "A Japanese Girl (Noriko Sakai)"
Hope you guys will like it! 
                                   Lewis

P.S. I am not sure whether the picture is posted correctly,since it
     is my first time. Therefore, if you guys can't see it after    
     decoding it. You might mail me your a/c and I will mail
     the encode file to you directly if the file is available in my a/c.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: The donation and CCP's hope engineering
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:42:14 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin


The appealing of CCP's hope engineering to the public indicated that
CCP has admitted a general failure in youngster education in China.
However, the CCP just tends to deny it if that is been asked in a
straight forward way. Ah Ping donated 2000 RMB and told his fellows
not to talk about it. The news report has repeatedly reported that
news over and over on CCTV. Gess! 2000 RMB? I think many overseas
Chinese people have donated over 500 USD every year to whatever
the fund collectors. But, nobody claims that he has donated over
2000 RMB to Chinese charity.

It is a general philosphy that the donators don't want anybody
knows. To do one good thing per day, is not to let people know.
Many people in Taiwan had donated millions of dollars to the hope
engineering. Many have questioned: Do I have to donate money
to raise CCP kids (going to be another generation of CCP)?
Many appeared to be don't care. Many appeared to be hesitate.
It is a big job, not a single individual can make it, not a
single year can improve it, not a single generation can do it.
It is hundred years job. Wish that LIX is not discouraged.
Keep good work!

Wish every single individual claims that he/she loves China so
much asking himself/herself: How much did I do to China? How
much money have I donated to Chinese charity?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32947 soc.culture.hongkong:16413 talk.politics.china:3474
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: How can you win?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:41:41 GMT

In article <1gst1hINNkiv@apache.dtcc.edu> wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang) writes:
>
>In article <92352.193240XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Many discribe chinese with Du3 Xing4 Jian1 Qiang2(? strong gambling
>>interest).
>>I am going to G-city in a few days.
>>Would you netters  kindly suggest some strategies to win,

Strategy 2: ALWAYS ask for a coin, if you don't have any money left.

>>so that I can get money donated?
>>And hope other people win more then donate more.
>>X Xu
>

In old days, some people walked around to look for some others miserable. :-)
Then they continued to throw money into the same machines that the others 
have lost for a reasonable while. But time has changed, this technique is
out-of-date, because machines have been designed better than in the past.
They are nearly in random every time you try them. If you didn't believe me, 
you could make hundreds of tests. :-)

>Never lose strategy:
>
>Always put half of the money you have into the game. You will always have
>half left.

Carry a knife with you, in case you needed to cut a penny. :-)

There is a more advanced stratergy among many others, used by many gamblers:
If you lose x, try 2x next time until you win;
if you win x, try x/2 next time until you lose :-).

If you were a billionare, could you keep youself from losing in the end?

:)

There are many variants of this strategy.

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