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From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pacers "bad" trade
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:56:09 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Sep10.060359.9911@cs.rose-hulman.edu> statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States) writes:
>
>A lot of people out there are saying the Pacers made a really bad trade.  I  
>have to agree that it looks bad on paper, but maybe not if you look beyond  
>stats.  It looks to me like Williams and Richardson are pretty equal stat-wise,  
>but I think Richardson is a little bit younger. ( I may be wrong... )  The  
>inequity seems to be in the Person/Mitchell stats.  The rap on the Pacers the  
>past couple of years has been that they have too many scorers and not enough  
>role players.  By getting rid of Person they're basically giving Reggie Miller 
>the green light to shoot the ball.  I think this could help the Pacers in the  
>long run, but, of course, it could just as easily blow up in ther faces.  I  
>think it was a pretty good deal for the T-wolves too, they picked up some  
>scoring and some leadership which it seemed like they needed pretty bad.   
>Hopefully this deal will help out both clubs!
>
>Scott E. States
>statesse@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

I think the TWolves made out on the deal...

  - Person is a scorer and the Twolves need somebody who can drop the rock
	in the hole.

  - The TWolves unload the man who I think is the most over-hyped lil known 
	guards (I know its an oxymoron). His D and his lack of FT % hurts.

  - The TWolves get someone who is going to get someone who is flashy and 
	and breathe life into a dismal team. 

  - Michael William's is a solid point guard (though he looked a little
	out of control in the playoffs).

  - Where is Mitchell going to play in Indiana? I can't see him filling
	Person's shoes...


I don't know seems lopsided on paper...

					Dennis Joyce 
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:45:37 GMT

In article <92254.211844JER108@psuvm.psu.edu> <JER108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>As far as taking one "model" over the other, it does depend on the
>make up of the team. Utah excells with the true point guard because
>they have people to pass to. But I'm sure Philly would prefer the
>shooting/driving point guard.

You know what though.  I think Utah would be better off with a point guard
who's more of a shooter.  Certainly would liven up what is a pretty boring
offense.  Like I said, the only thing keeping Stockton from being undisputed
#1 at point w/o Magic is for him to take control scoring wise.  Case in
point, he has two people to pass to, Karl and Jeff Malone.  If you go to a
fastbreaking team with lots of scorers, Stockton might be perfect.  If you
remember the first TOA game against Cuba, I think when he was in there pushing
the ball, that's when the Dream Team started dunking every time down the floor
en route to an 80 point victory.

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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: X-man now a C
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:50:42 GMT


Yes!  The Celts signed the X-man (Xavier McDaniel) to a 3 year contract.


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From: johneco@cns.nyu.edu (John Econopouly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: New York Knicks
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: johneco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University


In article 080992070017@132.197.14.85, hhg1@gte.com (Hal German) writes: 
> 
> Knicks signed yet Wilkins, Kiki, X, Davis, Patrick Eddie, Donaldson yet?
> Any gone? The net has been void of useful Knicks news.

Wilkins is unrestricted, but hasn't signed anywhere yet.
Kiki has been let go by the knicks (he bought out his final contract year), but
	also hasn't signed anywhere yet.
X is waiting for the knicks to make him an offer.  They want to exhaust all their 
	trade possibilities before using up the room under the salary cap on X, since
	they can freely go over the cap to sign X, who is currently on the roster,
	but cannot to sign some non-roster player (e.g. Charles Smith).  This is a
	slightly dangerous situation.  X wants to stay on the Knicks, but Boston's
	evil empire has been flirting with him too, and they have alot of money to
	throw around now that the antichrist has retired.
Davis is still unsigned too, but took out an insurance policy and was with the team's
	summer camps.  He was doing well there before I went on vacation.
No news on Patrrick Eddie.
James Donaldson is gone, although he hasn't signed anywhere as far as I've heard.
	He's been looking to Europe (as have Wilkins and Kiki).

The Knicks had Gerald Paddio in their summer camps, and he was looking good.  Also,
Steve Henson will be in training camp looking for a job (although it's hadr to
imagine him getting one -- the knicks have too many guards already).

Finally, everyone probably knows this already but the media reported a failed trade
that is still a possibility:
Knicks send Mark Jackson, a #1 and a #2 draft picks, and get
Charles Smith, Doc Rivers, and Bo Kimble.
Clippers would then send the picks and another pick to orlando for Stan Roberts.

Apparantly the trade was nixed by Roberts who has a no trade clause.  However, I 
don't see why he wouldn't want it, he gets a 15% raise, gets to be a starter, and goes
to a young and talented (albeit stupidly run) team.  He may still see the light.

Contrary to the media grain, I love Mark Jackson's game, especially offense.  I think
he's underrated.  Nonetheless however, this trade would be an amazing steal for the
Knicks, who are getting this opportunity thanks to their clever salary cap moves.
I hope Roberts changes his mind -- the Knicks would truly be championship 
material after such a trade.

take care fellow Knick junkies, I hope some of you can dose me with some newer info
john
From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:27:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In <1992Sep11.145647.20667@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:

>Let's try this again: [debate of Robinson vs. Ewing]

>4. Passing...Maybe Ewing is better, but he's by no means a good passer.  Ever
>   look at his turnover numbers?  They're pretty high.


This leads me to one intersting question -- If player "A" has twice as many turnovers
as player "B", but "a" has three times as many assists as does player "B", which one
is the better passer? I think that an assists per turnovers ratio would be somewhat
of a valid tool. Don't you think? I recommend that everyone take a look at the 91
stats which were posted to the net (by Jim Schwartz). Using these stats I come up
with the following information:

	Player		Games	Assists		TOs		
	------------	-----	--------	-------	
	Ewing		 82	  156		 209
	Robinson	 68	  181		 182


			Assists		TOs 
	Player		Per Game	Per Game
	-------------	--------	--------
	Ewing		 1.90		 2.55
	Robinson	 2.66		 2.68


Draw your own conclusions.
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From: 8914357b@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD KICK DT!
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:55:41 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <1992Sep1.035426.224@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
> HERE ARE SOME VALID REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD BEAT THE USA TEAM THAT
> COMPETED IN BARCELONA, COMMONLY KNOW AS THE DREAM TEAM (PROBABLY BECAUSE
> THEY'RE ALL HALF ASLEEP?)
>
> 1. AUSTRALIA BEAT PUERTO RICO BY 40 POINTS, THE USA COULD ONLY MANAGE A
> MEAGRE 38 POINTS..... AND AUSTRALIA DIDN'T PLAY ITS STAR PLAYERS MUCH IN
> THE SECOND HALF...
>
> 2. THE NBA DOES NOT ALLOW A ZONE DEFENCE.... ONLY MAN TO MAN... HENCE WE
> COULD EXPLOIT THIS INABLILITY ON THE PART OF THE USA..... AND AUSTRALIA
> HAS BEEN PROVEN AS A VERY EFFICENT DEFENCIVE TEAM...
>
> 3. EGO: THE USA THINK THEY ARE ALMIGHTY , ARE THEY REALLY? THEY ARE JUST
> 12 MEN OF WHICH FIVE PLAY ON A BASKETBALL COURT AT ANY ONE TIME, AS DOES
> AUSTRALIA, BEING TO LAX AND THINKING THEY ARE GREAT COULD SPELL THEIR
> LOSS.
>
> 4. TEAM? IS THE USA A TEAM? I DONT THINK SO, IT IS JUST A GROUP OF NBA
> ALL STARS WITH GREAT INDIVIDUAL TALENT, BUT NOT MUCH TEAM TALENT, JUST
> TELL ME HOW LONG HAS THAT TEAM BEEN PLAYING TOGETHER FOR, AND FOR HOW
> MANY GAMES....
>
> AUSTRALIA ON THE OTHER HAND IS A TEAM, WHICH MANG

Being an Australian, I feel it is my patriotic duty to explain what has
happened here.....

Australia never got to play the Dream Team, and we managed to be a team by a
bigger margin than the DT.  Hence, Australian logic, twisted by the fact that
we managed to beat New Zealand in the Olympics, has led someone to grant Bryan
an early release from whichever institution he was in.


It must be said that Australian basketball is improving, but I think we
(Australians) are kidding ourselves if we think we have a hope of beating a
team with as much talent as USA.

If our team had that much talent, people in the USA would be watching the
NBL, instead of people in Australia watching the NBA....

I hope this has cleared the air, and people will not hold it against those
Australians who still maintain an air of sanity.


Munster....
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From: rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Summary:  Cooper on D
Keywords: Jordan, Bird, Michael Cooper
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:40:26 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


>4) If Jordan was guarded by (Joe Dumars, Ritchmond, or any
>other player that Jordan said was the best player to ever
>guard him) every night, then Jordan wouldn't score
>as many points. Jordan said Michael Cooper was the best to
>guard him, but Michael Jordan only plays(ed) him twice
>a year. What if Cooper was in the same division as Jordan...
>That could affect his scoring average.... Again,
>many examples of this....

	Wow-another of the game greatest saying Michael Cooper was the 
	best to ever guard him.  First it was Larry Legend at his 
	retirement announcement and now we hear it from Michael Jordan.
	I was always a huge Cooper fan.  He always came off the bench
	for my beloved Lakers and played hellacious D on the other 
	teams scorer.  He also was famous for the infamous
	'Coop-a-loop' in the late 70's and early 80's.  Thanks to 
	Bird and Jordan for giving a guy credit for what he did so 
	well.  Alot of players today could learn alot from
	Michael Cooper's style of play.  He was not only great on
	the court, but was a great role model off it!!!

	Hey Laker fans, how about a toast to our man 'Coop'!!!


		Russ


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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: The Next Mass Migration
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:25:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.025906.7023@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:

>	Did all the people in Philly move to Phoenix.  I know everyone
>moved across town to Clipperville.  Quite a few people have traveled to
>Portland or is it just my imagination.  I wonder where the next mass
>migration will be.

I got $10 that says Charlotte or Miami. (Of course, my money talks as fast as
it disappears, but that's another story.)

Peace from a win-or-lose Hornets fan...



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From: MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (MIKE SIMMONS)
Subject: Re: The Pacers New Lineup ( was Re: The Two Trades)
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:19:22 GMT

In article <18m484INNjeg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
 
>
>Well, neglecting the salary structure, the Indiana Pacers didn't make out too
>bad.  Pooh Richardson's presence and Chuck Person's absence goes along way
>toward team unity, which is something the Pacers lack.  Detlef Schrempf
>can go to small forward. If Rik Smits has indeed improved as an offensive
>threat, they are still a playoff-worthy team.  The lineup would be:
>
>      PG - Pooh Richardson
>      SG - Reggie Miller
>      SF - Detlef Schrempf
>      PF - Sam Mitchell
>       C - Rik Smits
>
>
>
>
>
>
>BTW, has anyone been looking at the Eastern Conference as a whole.  I mean
>Chicago, Cleveland, and New York are strong.  Boston, Miami, and New Jersey
>should make the playoffs barring injuries.  But there are 6 or 7 teams that
>I think could be legitimate playoff threats.  The Pacers and Charlotte are
>front-runners.  Detroit has a solid backcourt.  Orlando, with everyone
>healthy and Shaq's presence, should be a factor.  Atlanta will get Dominique
>and some rebounding help.  Milwaukee and Philly maybe outsiders but can't be
>ruled out.  I think it will be an interesting season.
>
>Charles Gibbs
 
I agree.  This isn't meant to be a flame, but the East is far better IMO.
Even Charles move to the west doesn't change much, Philly wasn't that
powerful before.  That is the only thing I would disagree with -  I wouldn't
count Philly in with so much to go through (Chicago, Cleveland, New York,
New Jersey, Boston, Indiana, Detroit are 7 tough teams right there.  Miami
already bids a good 8th...)
However, the west will be interesting, with Phoenix coming up strong with
Charles & Ainge there now.  Only challenge IMO are Portland, Utah, Golden State
, and San Antonio.  And of course Lakers if Magic comes back for them.
From: wakankar@golf.egr.msu.edu (Parag Wakankar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: ****KNICKS ACQUIRE  TONY   CAMPBELL  FROM  T'WOLVES  *** "
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:48:55 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


HEard it on the radio at 1-30 pm. NY after losing X-man to Boston acquired Tony Campbell from Minnesota for a future 2nd round ( year not  mentioned) draft pick.


Trader Jack after moving to MInn. still wants to retain that reputation. I personally think, it is graet deal for Minn. and not such a grreat deal for Knicks. But Knicks had to do something.

Any comments from T'Wolves land? How is Tony Campbell?


Parag
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Selling the Lakers short (was Re: Who's gonna win it all )
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.003903.1115@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:

>I'm thinking that Karl Malone and Danny Manning are
>power forwards.  

     Actually, Manning is more of a small forward.  At 6'10" he's capable
of playing PF, but he's a mediocre rebounder for a 6'10" player and his
ball-handling skills and mobility are best used outside rather than
posting up.
     When the Clippers play Charles Smith or Loy Vaught at the other
forward, Danny is a small forward.  When Ken Norman is in the game,
Manning is more of a power forward (although Norman's style of play
is closer to power forward than Manning's is).
     If Manning continues to play as he did the last half of 1991-92,
and if Worthy continues to get older/injured, I think Manning in
1992-93 will have a better season than Worthy.
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From: adamw@ecst.csuchico.edu (James Adam Ward)
Subject: Re: lakers
Keywords: status
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:46:43 GMT

In article <larv2nINN5h8@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> driver8@night.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>Hello,
>
>Does anyone know the status of the Lakers in regards to roster changes
>at present?  Any trades or rumors?
>
>Al
>
>
>

well i havent heard a thing.  anybody else?  but i do know this.  Good old Mr.West could shock us all by getting Olajuwon.  But that trade could mean worthy and Scott gone. something painful like that.  But who knows??  Mr West always has his bag of tricks at his side.  Anthony Peeler.  hmmmm  He could be a good addition.  But Elden Campbell needs to work on his scoring.  He has tremdous potential and tremendous hops!  anyway back to the roster:

   it looks like this to me.
   when Magic is playing his "65" games:

            Magic     Scott

                Divac

            Worthy     Perkins

 thats a damn good lineup!!  Its a big Lineup. but worthy can still get out and run....and you know Magic will be off to the races as much as he can.;....Scott needs to improve his shooting.. if he doesnt soon he could be bye bye. :(.....
But theres your basic line-up.  Dont forget about Threatt. a nice starter when magic is gone!  and Elden campbell with his defense.  but Laker fans out there, give me feedback on our team. I am excited about this coming year.

thanks
Adam


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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:58:50 GMT

In article 13347@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu, u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>|In article <9SEP199214403623@rigel.tamu.edu> burt@rigel.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez) writes:
>|>>Mark Price
>|>>-I don't have his stats handy, but he is the heart and then some of the 
>|>>Cavaliers who almost knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs this year.
>|>>He is an Unbelievable shooter with incredible quickness and penetrating
>|>>ability.  I think he should have been on the Olympic team.  Now that 
>|>>Magic no longer plays (?), I think he is the best PG in the league.
>|>
>|>I have to totally agree with you.  Mark Price should have been on the Olympic
>|>team.  He is an outstanding shooter and a great passer.  He is also a team
>|>player.  He steps up everyones game by getting the ball to them.  His teams
>|>record without him was pretty bad.  With MP there was an incredible difference.
>|>
>|>He has a great first step.  The Cavs did give a run to the Bulls.  
>|>Next season watch the Cavs to be on top of the Eastern Conference.  And one 
>|>of the reasons they'll be on top is Mark Price.  
>|
>|Come on...Price has plenty of faults, and he didn't play so well in the series
>|against the Bulls.  I thought Larry Nance was the one who played the best
>|among the Cavs.  Price seemed to shoot at the most un-opportune times, esp.
>|in the deciding game.  Last play of the game, bounces the ball off of his
>|foot.  Unfortunately, this seemed to carry through the series.  His assist to
>|turnover ratio was abominable, not even 2 to 1 as I recall.
>|
>|Price does have one of the most talented frontcourts to get the ball too,
>|even notice how he's never been anywhere near the top in assists?  As for
>|almost knocking the Bulls out, the Knicks almost knocked the Bulls out.  The
>|Cavs got beaten pretty cleanly.
>|


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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Xavier McDaniel signs with Celtics
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:42:19 GMT

XMan is, at this very moment, giving a news conference announcing
his signing with the Boston Celtics.

details later...
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From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
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Subject: Re: The Pacers New Lineup ( was Re: The Two Trades)
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:05:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In <1685E831C.MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (MIKE SIMMONS) writes:

> 
>I agree.  This isn't meant to be a flame, but the East is far better IMO.

This is just a test... how many of the Olympic basketball players were from
the Western Conference? There, now I feel better!

>Charles & Ainge there now.  Only challenge [to Pheonix] IMO are Portland,
>Utah, Golden State, and San Antonio.  And of course Lakers if Magic comes
>back for them.

I don't think that Pheonix will be all that much improved, just different. Team
unity is a big issue, and they have certainly disrupted that: Major shufflings
of players AND A NEW COACH! Golden State? No mention of the team that beat them
in the playoffs last year? -- SEATTLE!

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: WEEKLY POSTING: Data available for public FTP
Originator: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU
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There is a bunch of NBA and NFL data -- stats, records, game scores,
schedules, etc (INCLUDING 1992/93 schedules!) -- available for public
FTP on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  (Also known as ftp.wustl.edu, internet
address 128.252.135.4).  You can access the data through anonymous FTP.
To do so, type:
	ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
and then enter "anonymous" as the user-id, and your e-mail address
as the password.  Once in there, switch to the directory of your
choice.  The NFL stuff is in the directory
	/pub/nfl
and the NBA stuff is in
	/doc/misc/nbastats/facts
Both directories contain a README file, which will tell you more
about the available data.

The details of the FTP program may be system-dependent.  If in
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asking me -- I probably don't know.)

Enjoy!

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