HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: usenet@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Usenet poster)
Subject: DJ for President --- 2
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, State U of NY at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:33:31 GMT

Do ya think I'm too concerned about korean president eletion?  I know what
you're thinking.  I know this election is the battle of dirty evils.  They
made us tired and bored of the korean politics.  But I love my country.  
I love my korean.  My country should be better.  My country should be 
one of the best.  When my country becomes one of the greatest nations, my
life in this place will be better.  I will be proud of myself, too.  
Even though all of them are not good at all, anyway we have to choose one
of them and let him do great jobs for my country.  Please don't post the 
messages like "What is the difference among them? They are all the same 
crooks."  I'm sick and tired of that kind of reaction about the korean 
election.  If you don't like my severe interest about election, just ignore
this.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Koeran Pop Music (Re: Rapping on Korean pop/rock)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.184425.4023@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>
>Extremely few Korean pop songs touch on change of key which is a
>fundamental technique in keeping the music fresh from beginning to the end.
>If you felt the music is sagging as seconds go by, you are getting tired of
>the key you are hearing, just like you get tired of watching home-made
>video because they were shot from one angle only.  When they are not using
>this most fundamental technique, it is only natural that we never hear
>anything creative in rhythm (7/8 for example) or harmony (something jazzy
>for example).

Well James, if above is the case, the most interesting music should be
something by Schonberg, Berg and similar style composers.  Try to
predict their musical sequence...  and boy they don't even have
key structure per se, which makes their style even more intriguing.

Personally, a good song once heard should be singable.  The major reason
why Schubert's song did not sell well on the market (sheet music)
was that once heard its melody stuck with the listener.  So, predictability
of music does not say something absolute about that music.  Likewise,
one can find many example of Lieder by Schubert, Schumann which does
not change in key structure as you defined them (I am not including here
IVth and Vth).  Well enough of music theory :)  Music is something
that is associate with the feeling first, then the theory second.
If it sounds good, it is good enough for me...

>James Choi

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: Good Names Anyone? (was Re: our names were chosen along time ago)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:34:22 GMT

How about Woo Bae?  I have a friend named that and it doesn't sound half
bad.  And also it has the Dolimja.  Well, send me that prize you promised
to my address and I am sure I will find good use for it some how.

Hank


P.S.  How do you find out about the Dolimja?  I think mine was Jin at the
end (as in Sung Jin) Does anyone have a book, I forgot what it was called,
and look me up?  E mail me.  I may after all this tim find my roots and 
reestablish my family's tradition.-- My last name is same as the former 
president Chun even though we spell it Chon and I think I am from the same
brach of the family, too. I think it is Chungsun or somewhere. 

***************************************************************************

Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada

"Do not worry about your problems in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are
 still greater."  A. Einstein



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Rapping on Korean pop/rock
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:22:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.011824.21745@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>
>It will be very difficult to top Rush when it comes to lyrics or music (in
>terms of skills as well as composition.  Try playing one, and you will
>see.)  If any Korean lyricist can produce something half as decent as Neil
>Peart's (of Rush), I am buying it right away.  For those who are not
>familiar with Rush, Neil Peart has written any love songs since "Madrigal"
>over 12 years ago.

	I just topped it in my previous posting.  Peter Gabriel and pre
Invisible Ouch Genesis.  :)  I like Neil Peart but Geddy Lee's voice really
has to go.  He makes all the Rush songs sound the same.  


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Election Result available on-line
Date: 18 Dec 1992 04:56:08 -0500
Organization: Yale University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu
Keywords: Election,result,online

In article <1gs6smINN19i@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>In article <1gs6dlINN162@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin) writes:
>> Here I'm posting an article from ARA BBS which was already posted to USENET
>>but which has not been arrived to my site and many ohter sites in the US and
>>other part of the world. 
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>
>  I forgot to reveal source of this information, which is following
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
>From: uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
>Subject: Election Result Available Online
>Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
>Distribution: soc
>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:36:01 GMT
>
>>
>>Election result will be available from the following methods.
>>
>>        1)      finger .election@baram.kaist.ac.kr
>>
>>        2)      telnet baram.kaist.ac.kr 92
>>
>>The result will be gathered from HiTEL election board, and MBC TV and
>>the language used is Korean. You'll be able to get romanized Hangul
>>message from the finger query and KSC-5601 Hangul message from the
>>telnet query. Thanks for your interest.
>
>Also omitted was following disclaimer.
>P.S.
>
>Disclaimer: The result is provided as is without any *warranty*.
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To read Hangul on English-only terminal, get 'hcode' program from
>>cair.kaist.ac.kr.,kum.kaist.ac.kr, or garam.kreonet.re.kr. and filter telnet
>>or finger wiht 'hcode -kr' option. (that is 'finger
>>.election@baram.kaist.ac.kr. | hcode -kr') You may have difficulty with new
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^

   You don't need filtering when you use 'finger query' because it's already
in romanized code.  When using 'telnet query', type this 'telnet
baram@kaist.ac.kr. 92 | hcode -kr' 

>>Romanization rule agreed by both Koreas(Chieut -> c NOT ch and similar
>>strange rules)
>
>   I made a mistake. Chieut is represented by 'ch' and 'Jieut' is by 'c' not
>by 'j' or 'ch'.
>  For your convenience, enclosed is ISO Hangul Roma. code
   code table deleted. See previous posting for it.

  Jungshik Shin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Organization: Alchemy International
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:15:25 GMT

	This whole discussion got me thinking.  I don't like orange juice,
but I love grapefruit juice.  I love drinking a glass of grapefruit juice
with my breakfast.  Hm, does that make me a grapfruit-jok?  In Korea,
grapefruit juice is harder to find than orange juice.  So I guess that makes
me more prestigious.  Wonder when I go back home next week, I'll get a huge
following and get featured in Young Lady.  

Brian "And none of this pink grapefruit crap, I want REAL grapefruit, sour
and bitter!" Chung


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
Bitnet: jfe@cornella                   | 210 Lake St. Apt. 11-A 
DECnet: CESR10::THC                    | Ithaca, NY 14850  Tel: 607-272-1543 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: About Korean Rap of Su Tae Ji
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:13:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.161943.13114@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>I read some article about them from the magazine.  I remember the funny
>story from it.  An 40 year old gentlemen said after he had listen to
>Su Tae Ji's rap, " Is this music? This is the noise for psycho!!!"

Some of the modern classical music will provote the same reaction from the
same gentleman quoted above.  There is an orchestral piece that was written
with one pitch only.  So there is one note being passed from various
instruments and there is no harmony since it takes more than one note to
produces a harmony.

>If they would like to copy the American Pop-song or Rap, they should copy 
>it exactly.  Their music is insufficiency of beat, monotonous rhythm, and
>low energy.
[...]
>But their basic
>music form did not escape from the 70's korean music.

I have an instant cure for stagnant Korean music scene.  Allow Japanese
musicians to come in, sell, and perform in Korea.  There will be a shock
period, followed by surge of creativity (hopefully) in order to compete.

>But what can I say more about the fact that everybody likes their music ?
>If everybody likes that music, that is good music even though I think 
>whatever about it.  

I guess that could be one definition.  I cannot think of better definition
of "good music."

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Korean names
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:28:33 GMT

In article <Bz9oDz.Azw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee) writes:
>- Yuri

Yuri is a very pretty name.  This reminds me of one observation I had.  I
would say over 90% Korean name has either -ng ending or -k ending.  Once in
a great while, I come across these names that are devoid of both -ng and
-k.  The result is very polished, smooth sounding names such as Yuri.

Yuri is in fact more rare case where there aren't any stops (bat-chim) in
the name.  Most people who do not have -ng or -k endings tend to have -n
ending.  

Talking about names, Koreans are the only people I know that actually pays
to name something.  That means, there are professional name makers.  That
means people think name has a lot to do with the fate of the entity, be it
a person or a company.

James Choi
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Lee Jong-chan quits race.
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:41:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec15.045246.1698@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis
.edu writes:
>mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>>His action will not much influence C.Y. Chung' winning,  probably
>>2 or 3 % of votors may be added up to CY's portion.  However,
>>definitly this should be helpful for Dae-Jung Kim's win since now
>>the presidential race is neck-and-neck between DJ and YS.  It is
>>a decisive dedication to DJ's win.
>
>I'm not quite sure this will be the case. Remeber Lee Jongchan was a former
>Minja party member, so his supporters might be back to Minja (YS) party.
>
###############################################################################

"Helpful for Dae-Jung Kim" means as following:

In addition to  Jong-Chan Lee's supportors moving to Jung,
some of swing votors (Budong Pyo) inclining to YS will go
to Ju-Yung Jung instead of YS. I would say that the portion
of those moving votors is 2 or 3 %.

Consequently,  the Jong-Chan's quit may be helpful for DJ's win.


                 Minho Jo, Lehigh University

###############################################################################
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: YS projected as a winner
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:28:57 GMT

In article <BzKpDo.CDx@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.214044.4849@news.cs.indiana.edu>,
> "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes :
> 
> 
> [part of UPI report deleted]
> 
>>        The winner will succeed President Roh Tae Woo who will step down on
>>Feb. 25 at the close of a five-year term, and bring to an end a
>>succession of rule by generals-turned-presidents which began in 1961.
> 
> Exactly!   Absolutely!
> The era of STARs is fading away.
> It will never be back in next many centuries in Korea.
> Never!
> 
> Congratulations to our people!
> Congratulations to new president, Kim Young-Sam!
> I have a great belief and hope that the new president will heal the wound
> of the people who have supported other candidates or different political 
> ideas.
> 
> MAY GOD BLESS KOREA AND HER PEOPLE!!!
> God bless the new president and his civilian government!
> 
> 
> Jong-Wook Seo
-- 
***************************************************************************

Henry E Chon
7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca
hechon@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada

"Do not worry about your problems in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are
 still greater."  A. Einstein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (Re: Organge Jok)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 15:36:22 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <567@blue.cis.pitt.edu> hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim) writes:
>Orange-jok (for Orange as in orange juice, and jok meaning tribe,
>or group of people) refers to extremely rich young kids who
>drive expensive cars and frequent expensive cafe's in the
>Ab-goo-jung dong area of Seoul. Basically,  rich kids doing things 
>which rich kids do...

	I really don't see any problem with the fact that rich
	kids spend money.

	The fact thay they have more money I do and can spend more
	money on better things than I have souldn't be a problem.

	And I'm working to reduce that gap.

	More disgusting thing to me is that there are people who
	sperate them as certain sterotype group and raise some
	arguement on that (for example those on Young lady).

	If certain guy/girl cause some problem, then they seal that
	as that certain group's problem, but not that guy/girl's
	problem.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:04:30 GMT

jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>Makes me think, if DJ were
>to die suddenly, say, of heart attack tomorrow, who would lead the 
>opposition?  Park Chan Jong?  Lee Chul?
>
Park Chanjong is not a democratic party member. Lee Chul (from Seoul),
Lee Haechan (from Seoul), Hong Sadok (from Kyongbuk) can be good Post-DJs.
All of them are 40-something and all of them have a sort of national fame.


>	If I vote for YS, I'll be voting for the evil that has been "tamed"
>somewhat.  

Tamed by whom? 

>If I vote for DJ, I'll be voting for the evil that I really,
>really don't trust.

Do you have any reason why you REALY REALY don't trust him>
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Korean pop song and election
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.210900.105536@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
[...]
>His cabinet must be the same old face.
[...]
>I want to believe that younger generation didn't vote for YS in the
>election.   I hate old generations who hate CHANGES.

Ironically, I see some relationship between Korean pop music that we have
been bashing and defending, and Korean politics.

Every single election had one predictable result.  Whoever that stood for
"business as usual" won.  When you think about, how can you expect politics
to be innovative in the land where even the art tends to be same thing all
the time.  Specially the lyrics.

>                    Minho Jo, Lehigh University

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee)
Subject: Korean songs for PCs 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:56:02 GMT

Hi,

I'm looking for .ROL type Korean Ga-Yo songs for PCs. I do have bunch of
.IMS format files ( about 500 of them ) and their quality is quite good
for FM syntheiszer song. However, these are in .IMS format and I can't find
any editros for converters that converts .IMS to .ROL format yet. These files
can be played in background within IYAGI and I make good use of them.

I'm interested in converting these songs to MIDI files for better quality.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

- Yuri Lee

ylee@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
yuri.lee@canrem.com
 
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Re: Don't Preach! (LONG)   (correction!)
Organization: Microelectronics Lab - Univ. of Illinios
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:11:20 GMT

In article  <BzFJF9.J5E@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
I wrote :

>Before I post another bullshit, I'd like to bring my regret putting little 
>bit too strong title to everybody.

That has been corrected to say :

   "Before I post another bullshit, I'd like to bring my regret 
    putting little bit too strong title to everybody 
    EXCEPT ONE THING WHICH POSTED THE FOLLOWING."

>>        You really don't like me, do you?  Unfortunately, I'll be back home
>>in Korea by this time tomorrow, so you can insult me all you want, but
>>I won't be able to answer it.  If you have something really substantial
>>to talk about, leave me an e-mail rather than a follow-up.  That way, I'll
>>be able to answer you when I get back in mid-January.  Merry Christmas
>>and happy new year.  I je na i ga han sal du mug ut su ni gga, du jum jan
>>ke gul go, sae hae bok man i bad a ra.

Especially, the last part of the insult.


Jong-Wook Seo
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*    CALL FOR POLLS    \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:52:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


***********   CALL for POLLS for KOREAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION     **************


Dear Friends:

    I attract your polls for the candidates who you prefer.  Choose one
    among the folllowing Korean presidential candidates:


              JY (Ju-Yung Jung)
              YS (Young-Sam Kim)
              DJ (Dae-Jung Kim)

              If other else,  write down the candidate's name.


    Just send mail directly to me along with your favorite candidate's
    INITIALS or NAME.  PLEASE don't POST it in order to protect overflows
    on S.C.K.  This will continue UNTIL DEC. 18, 11 a.m. in eastern time.

    Your cooporation absolutly is needed.
    The results of the poll will be announced Dec. 18, 11:30 a.m.

*******************************************************************************

                    Minho Jo,  Lehigh Valley
                    MJ03@Lehigh.edu
*******************************************************************************
From: bf479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell Jackson II)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Latest IPSM Election Expectations
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:51:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell Jackson II)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


"The Iowa Political Stock Market is a financial market in which traders
buy and sell financial contracts representing candidates for [the
Korean Presidency]."
..............................
Expected Vote Share (Vote Share Market):
(average of most recent day trade taken place as of 2:30 am CST)

         YSK:  37.0 %
         DJK:  35.8 %
         CYC:  25.0 %
         CJP:   4.4 %
  All Others:   2.2 %

Expected Winner (Winners Market):
(average of most recent day trade taken place as of 2:30 am CST)

         YSK:  74.1 %
         DJK:  38.2 %
         CYC:    .8 %
         CJP:    .0 %
  All Others:    .0 %
...................................

I am not a representative of IPSM Korea (128.255.44.2)

Russell Jackson II
bf479@cleveland.freenet.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Req. (at least Hangul FAQ)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 15:09:54 GMT
Organization: What Org?

In article <1992Dec10.213656.7214@oracle.us.oracle.com> jnlee@uucp (John Lee) writes:
>Since many of us do not have 'hanterm' - or something similar - to
>read the posts in HanGul, could someone just post the source of the  
>Hanterm here.  I realize you can get this from somewhere in kaist domain,
>but I for one do not have external FPT access (as I am sure most of
>the nodes in .com domain do not allow it for security reasons). 
>
>The suggest format could be: tar -> compress -> uuencode.  
>
>John     

	I guess you're in US domain; I'll post it preety soon
	with distribution attribute of US.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Looking for an innovative, creative lyricist
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:49:23 GMT

NOTE: Someone please post (forward) this for me in proper han.* groups.  I
do not know how to type hangul.  This is the fourth (or more) time I am
posting this and no one replied yet.  Maybe I will have more response
from Korea proper.

We lamented and moaned about the Korean song lyrics for past few days.
Well, complaining will not do much.  It is time for action.  Let's cure it
all.  Let's change the world.

I am looking for lyricists who can write innovative lyrics.  By
"innovative", I mean someone who can poetically treat social problems,
political situations, individualism, religions, passion, divorce, funeral
and other unlikely/unpleasant subjects.

The lyricist's personality should be individualic, sarcastic, cynical and
pessimistic in nature.  Must be well-versed in philosophy, history, music
and language.  There is no age restriction.  (My English lyricst is 10
years younger than I am) But must have gone through a lot in life.  Those
who led a well-protected life need not contact me.

If you are not a poet, please make sure your poet friend read this.  I am
dead serious and I am rather frustrated because I haven't been able to find
a Korean language poet I can work with for last two years.

Please send e-mail to phantom@nwu.edu
or write to
James Choi
P.O.Box 1555
Chicago IL 60690
U.S.A.

Thank you in advance for helping me change the Korean music scene.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean