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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:52:25 GMT

pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:

>In <B08JRB4w165w@ailanth.UUCP> 
>ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>>*chuckle*  yup.  and the problem is that a lot of non-mainstream
>>>people wish desperately that they were part of it.  i don't understand
>>>it myself.  a line from a poem i read in grade school comes to mind:
>>>"and they're made of ticky-tacky and they all look the same."  granted
>>>it is nice to be like SOMEONE, but why be like everyone?

>In article <10411@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> erik@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>>My contribution, for now, is that the quote is from a Mama Lion something
>>song about rows of suburban houses. She's written some good stuff. And i

>Hmm, it's a folk song about South San Francisco, I thought it was Peter,
>Paul and Mary.

"Little Boxes" was written by Malvina Reynolds.  It is (c)1962.  The words and
chords are in _Rise Up Singing_, a songbook with over 1200 songs.  


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,rec.music.folk
From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: Little Boxes (was: another poem)
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:23:48 GMT

In article <17608@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.022737.11287@wolves.uucp>, wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
>> Well, the song is "Little Boxes", written by Pete Seeger.  According to

>Would you please post the Sing Out! reference to this? I would have sworn
>by all god/desses living, dead, and unborn that this song was Malvina's.
>The story I heard was that she wrote it in response to all the apartment
>complexes ("little boxes made of ticky-tacky") being built in the 
>Berkeley hills, so the reference to the "University" is, of course,
>UC Berkeley.
>Richard
>(Tuneweaver)

      Can't give a reference, but CAN provide an upper limit timestamp:
this song was on a live Pete Seeger album my parents had prior to
1965.
							Peter Trei
							ptrei@Mitre.org

PS: no doubt the good people on rec.music.folk will flood us with the
straight dope (note Followup-To: line).
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: Rush
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:22:57 GMT

Warning to all you Rush fans: beware alt.fan.warlord if there's a Rush quote
in your .sig. they like to bug people who quote Rush. Also, to all you people
who willingly admitted to listening to metal: I'm pleasantly surprised. 
At my school, I cannot admit to being interested in metal because the Music
Dept. would disown me :(. I also love Enya. (Did you know there's a group
called alt.music.enya.puke.puke.puke.? Gee, I really think I'll be
calling THAT one sometime in the near future...;/) 
And congrats to Julie! Are we going to start a "name-Julie's-little-one"
contest? :)
					Stars light your paths,
						Rosaleen Dhu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: C & E
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:27:03 GMT

c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:


>	Does anybody happen to know what author Mercedes Lackey means
>when the uses the phrase "the C&E"?  I get the feeling it has something
>to do with Christianity or "normal" religions (normal in the "the general
>public is unlikely to view an adherant of this faith as a Satanist" sense)

Can you give an example, with citation of the location?  I don't remember 
running across anything I didn't understand in any of her books, so I may have
pulled it out by context clues.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: : (
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:16:49 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


>>: A Sorceror friend of mine, when teaching me juggling, passed on something
which he was told when learning to juggle:
: 
: "Everytime you drop a ball, you get a little better.  If you never drop any
: balls, you never get any better."
: 
: Of course, since he is Sorceror in the Castenedan sense, he was not only 
: talking about juggling.
: 
: Last night you dropped the balls you were juggling, Rosaleen.  Now you have to
: decide if you were trying a trick which you are not ready to learn, or if this
: is a trick you are ready to learn, and this was the first try.  Either way, 
: you have learned something, and developed your Craft more deeply.
: 
: 
:               Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
:                                Br'anArthur
: 
: Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)<<

BALLS! Metaphors are metaphors but some lack a depth that the "Castanada bogus
source" can hardly hold a candle to...

Any experience can teach one something. That goes without pontificating!

Magick, ritual and all the rest of related effort can hardly be analogous
to a juggler and his BALLS!

With ritual one is doing something more than playing and the results can be
as far reaching as a whole season (three months) some times more.

Of course, if one's preoccupation is on playing with his balls, he better
look and find them lest he/she realize they haven't any at all!

Eshin-Fun

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan music again (was Re: Mysterious Ways)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 19:19:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


If you're looking for bad-mood music, my favorite way to deal with a
spectacularly bad mood at work this past summer involved either the Star
Wars soundtrack, or the bit of Beethoven's Ninth where everyone starts
singing in German. This had to be played in the car, with the windows
rolled down, volume as high as you can go without exploding the bass speakers-
wouldn't want to do that, now. And it was generally done in an all-white
Yuppie town sometime in the afternoon, when they're all wandering around.
You not only feel better afterwards, but the Yuppies all get this weird look
on their faces, because that's NOT the sort of thing you expect to be pouring
out of a car driven by- gasp- a TEENAGER.

As for real pagan music- can't help you there. Closest I could come- and this
is still way far away- is that I thought the instrumental track from 
_Invisible_Touch_, called "The Brazilian", gave me a clearer idea of what
God/dess/whatever you want to call it, the Force is fine with me even, than
any religious music or book or prayer or saying or ANYTHING of that sort
could ever do.
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: ddawson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Gathering of the Tribes
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:12:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Originator: ddawson@rodan.acs.syr.edu


Any word on recent Gathering of the Tribes?

Dick
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.astrology
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:22:16 GMT


Eshin-Fun wrote:
> Serpent (east)- powerful and charismatic
> 
> Of the Chinese Zodiac these are the results:
> 
> WOOD DRAGON
> Brad Booth 6/1/64
> 
> Of the Aztec calendar your signs are:
> 
> Brad: 1 Serpent/1 serpent      Sacred day number: 105
> 
> Eshin-Fun

Thanks Eshin-Fun!  Although I haven't a clue what any of this is
suppose to mean... but at least I have a pair of serpents. ;)
If birthplace helps, Vancouver, B.C.  If anyone wants to tell me
what all this is suppose to mean, you can e-mail me.


Blessings from,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Tarot techniques
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:12:06 GMT

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:

>The first time I went to look for a book on the Tarot, I went to
>a couple of bookstores and looked at various books.  I was
>looking for a book and deck that matched each other and that had
>artwork I enjoyed.  The first bookstore I went to (Gaia, in
>Berkeley) didn't have a pair (book and deck) that I liked.  The
>second one had a match -- the Witch's Tarot.  There was also a
>book that was meant to be used with any of four decks, but it
>used the Hanson-Roberts deck, which was out of stock at that
>store.

>The problem was that every time I got close to the Witch's Tarot
>*book* (they had two copies, and it was the same for both of
>them), I started getting a really ominous feeling.  I could
>handle the deck fine, but whenever I picked up the book, I just
>got a really bad case of the heebie-jeebies.

>I didn't have similar feelings about any of the other books, nor
>did I have strange feelings about the deck.  Just the book.  I
>don't think I have too much subconscious negative influence
>about the name being witch -- I have never been very
>superstitous, and I was raised not to fear much of anything.

>I'm not really sure what kinds of questions I should ask about
>it.  I like the artwork of the deck, and I'd like to get one.
>I'd also like to take a close look at the book, but I'm not
>really sure I *should*.  Does anyone have any comments?

Well, the book is much more influenced by Ceremonialist Kabbalah than it is
by Wicca.  This is not a bad thing, but it is definitely something that a 
prospective buyer should know.  If one is looking for a Wiccan emphasis, a more
likely deck is the Tarot of the Old Path (Old Way?).


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re:  Mabon: A Gift From Hecate
From: t00022@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:34:51 -0600
Reply-To: t00022@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

Whoooooooooaaa... That must have been some experience.  Thank you for Sharing.
From: morgan@brewich.hou.tx.us (Morgan ap Rhys)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Mysterious Ways
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:02:19 GMT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

perky@acs.bu.edu (Melissa Sherrin) writes:

> 
> Whoah there, Mr. Paul Harvey... underground hip-hop/rasta music inappropriate
> for pagans?  I certainly hope not, since I love the alternative scene.  I do 
> like some folksy stuff, but my truer love would have to be with groups like
> The Cure, The Sisters of Mercy, James, etc...  What kind of music does everyo
> listen to here?  I've wondered, and now that I can post, I ask...
> 
> Melissa 

 
I'll listen to anything from Celtic Folk to Heavy Metal to Classical.  
Bout the only thing I don't listen to is Opera and elevator music.
 
Morgan


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morgan@brewich.hou.tx.us (Morgan ap Rhys)
Origin: The Brewer's Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350
     "Silence is the voice of complicity" - Vote Early, Vote Often!
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: music?
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:17:23 GMT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

To whoever was asking about who likes what music... sorry, I forgot who 
asked... 
  I like almost anything you put in front of me. But I'm really 
emotionally into Rsuh, Pink Floyd, and Yes (more or less in that order, 
depending on the time of day and day of the week and whatever.) That 
first band is spelled Rush, not Rsuh. I hate that I can't go back up a 
line to correct typos! :-) I also love Enya, and use her music to 
accompany most of my ritual/magical/Sabbat events. I'm also starting to 
really get into Marillion. (I am trying to learn how to play "Season's 
End" -- on the piano.)
 Jethro Tull is also nice. I admire anyone who can incorporate the flute 
into really good rock music. (I play that too and I'm sick of always 
having to play classical stuff on it. I'd rather the transposed keyboard 
solos of "A Farewell to Kings" and "Subdivisions" [more Rush tunes].)
   I think that's it. Oh, I have a moderate appreciation for They Might 
Be Giants. It takes real talent to think up such sensible nonsense!:-)

                               I think I babble too much.
                                      --The Vortex has written
                                      I love these posts I've been 
                                      reading -- real info, for once!
                                      Hasta Luigi :-) !
                                      (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov (Clark B. Wierda)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Organization: US Geological Survey, WRD, Arkansas District
Reply-To: cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:12:10 GMT
X-Posted-From: ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I remember a story about a Fundementalist church in the New Orleans
area.  It seems that they didn't want their children participating in
that 'pagan' tradition of Trick or Treat.  Instead, they were going to
have a Harvest Festival.  They were going to pick a boy and a girl to
be King and Queen of the festival.

I got this from the pagan friend who had this plan explained to here
by one of the ladies running the festival for the church.  My comment
is the same as my friends:  IF THEY ONLY KNEW!


"Help!! We're being boarded by ideological pirates!!" - Sabe
--
Clark B. Wierda		Treabius Starseeker
cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Witches and death
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 14:16:28 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <BvIvwt.G0x@world.std.com> marty@world.std.com writes:

 >  
 > For what it's worth, my gut reaction is that everybody recycles. Whether or 
 > not they reincarnate in some sort of organized fashion, I haven't worked out
 > yet. My husband is a Zen Buddhist, so we sometimes have interesting 
 > conversations about this. 
 >  
 > Personally, I have this lovely mental image of a goddess aspect pretty much
 > continuously in the act of giving birth, with all of us (plants, people, other
 > animals, planets) sort of dancing through the circle around her, and passing 
 > through her again when the time comes.

Beautifully expressed. I WILL try to transcribe some songs onto this
medium as I find time.

Perhaps the right mind space . . .

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov (Clark B. Wierda)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: US Geological Survey, WRD, Arkansas District
	<1992Oct1.194558.5472@access.digex.com>
Reply-To: cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:12:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

14 December 1965 06:30AM Dearborn, Michigan

Another double Sag.
--
Clark B. Wierda		Treabius Starseeker
cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:15:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.162246.13899@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>
>Apparently Hillary Clinton and Barbara Bush had a contest to see who
>could make the best chocolate chip cookies.  This came about after
>Hillary's comment about not being a housewife.  (I don't know the
>exact quote).  After that, she's had to prove that she isn't against
>housewives by doing things like making cookies.
>-- 
>
>Bekki Lyn

Hell, I just follow the recipe on the package that the Nestles chocolate
chips come in. That's the one I grew up with and IMHCCEO it's the best.
Of course mom always had to make up a double batch just to be able to
actually *bake* one full batch thanks to my brother and I raiding the
mixing bowl. Yum! I love chocolate chip cookie dough.

"I get the bowl!"
"You got the bowl last time!"
"You can have the beaters."
"MOM!!!" usually in unison.

Bb,

Corun

-- 
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    Corun MacAnndra    |
  Dark Horde by birth  |      Forewarned is a Hindu god.
    Moritu by choice   |
From: jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Norther NJ Organizations
Summary: Pagan Groups In Northern NJ
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:50:13 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Is there anyone in Northern New Jersey associated with
Wicca? I'd love to find some like-minded individuals
close to home.

Has anyone heard of the store in Ridgewood, NJ called
"Transformations"?  Is that a place I should go to
start my search?

As a male, I am interested in coresponding, via E-Mail,
with other males in my area.

A Beginner...
Jim


jimoates@panix.com


-- 
Admit Nothing
Blame Everyone
From: markbr@radian.uucp (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Principia discordia
Summary: nope.
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:35:03 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <Bv3qAA.C2C@nntp-sc.Intel.COM>, pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
> In article <24SEP199207551704@rosie.uh.edu> 
> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> >Principia discordia, or, How I found goddess and what I did to her when
> >I found her : the magnum opiate of Malaclypse the Younger : wherein is 
> >explained absolutely everything worth knowing about absolutely anything. 
> 
> Is that the one with: You are a freak of the universe, you have no right to
> be here, and whether you believe it or not, the universe laughs behind your
> back?


Nope. That's from the _Deteriorata_, from the (I think) National
Lampoon Radio Dinner album. Btw, there's also a Klingon version
of the same thing. 

	mark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: kjturner@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kimberley Jo Turner)
Subject: hallowe'en origins
Summary: does anybody have a reference for me/
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:35:17 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: hallowe'en origins

hoya and merry meet all! i have been away from the newsnet
since at least may and then i got onto a bbs that says that it
posts to internet and all that, but none of my posts have made
it this far, so, i am going to repost them all here...

the topics include: origins of hallowe'en and saimhain:
tarot: birth signs: and a general hello since being gone for  so
long, so if you're not interested, just press 'n' now.

oki...first of all....

i saw a posting on here asking questions about hallowe'en.
does anyone know of a book or other reference, other than the
Silver Bough, that will refer me to my answers?

also, i am interested in the origins of Saimhain and also the
rest of the Sabbats.  Does anyone know of a good book that they
can recommend that will explain in detail the origins of these
holidays to me?


second.....

i am interested in tarot and i have seen some of the postings on
here recommending which decks and all that...but, which of those
decks have books that truly explain each detail of the tarot in
enough clarity for a novice?

third...

ailsa: (if you're reading this *smilies*)  you asked about birth
signs. mine is libra, oct. 7, 1970..i'm an air sign, and that is all
that i know...i am also interested in learning about astrology.
can you (or anyone else reading this) recommend a book for me to read
on this?

finally....

hello!!!!!!  *hugz* it's good to finally have an account and access to
the internet nce more....i missed reading about all of the really 
interesting articles that convinced me that wicca was the path that
i wish to follow...

to those who don't know me, i am a VERY novice witch, i have been reading
these postings for over a year now, except from may to september, and
am finally back!

oh, btw, to all, *grin* i'm pregnant. since i haven't been able to post
to here, i haven't been able to share the good news with anybody...i'm
going to be a single mother....*smilies* anyhow...              

it's good to be back adn hopefully i'll be posting in the future more
often!

*smilies* 

thanks for listening to me drone on....
julie/mortiana
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: About that Roll Call Thingie . . .
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:07:42 GMT

rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars) writes:


>Just a quibble about pentacle:  the "original was pantacle" is not
>exactly spot on etymologically.  Here's what the OED has to say --
>with some fun quotations at the end.

>I think it was Eliphas Levi who made up the "pantacle" (folk)
>etymology.  But I wouldn't claim to be sure about that.

Thanks for the correction.  Levi does seem a likely source, given the places I
have seen that spelling given.  This will remind me that I really should check
the OED before posting anything etymological.  There isn't ANY mention of 
pantacle in the OED. :(

*Bran blushes furiously*


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark