HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Struggle Between Clinton and Gore
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:31:34 GMT

	It seems that Clinton finds Gore's emphasis on Ecology irritating
	and is resisting his efforts to guide the party platform away from
	stressing purely economic reforms to a more global perspective.
	He desparately needs the credibility of having Gore as a running mate,
	but he is unwilling to give Gore's ideas serious consideration.
	Frankly, I don't think Clinton can expect to have it both ways.

						Gerard Vignes


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:16:50 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <11393@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>The Cuban program is mandatory testing -- which the gay community
>has vigorously fought.

Because of the dangers of conservative fascism.

>Homosexuals have already demonstrated that they
>support using whatever means necessary to stop AIDS, including
>extracting enormous amounts of money of the general population,
>and whatever means necessary to force people to hire and rent to
>them.

What has employment and housing anti-discrimination got to do with
stopping AIDS? Oh, I see, you thought you'd just throw that in there...
And bullshit, you're free to be a bigot with your family, your friends,
and your church. I guess some people just want to be bigots with
EVERYBODY!

>So why should they suddenly be concerned about quarantine?

Because it would be used for religious and political agenda.

>It's for the public good, after all. 

It's not for the public good. Quarantine will probably not slow the
spread of AIDS, particularly since we're not even 100% sure that
HIV is the sole cause, since seropositivity takes several months
to register with tests, and since those most affected by the illness
in the future will likely be poor minorities with no access to health
care, and will live largely outside the reach of the public health
care system.

And if I were you I'd be more careful about believing Communist
propaganda machines like the Castro Government. If they are stupid
enough to say that homosexuals enjoy freedom in Cuba much more than
in the US, when all the while there have been documented cases of
torture of gay men imprisoned for their sexuality, then I wouldn't
put it past them to exaggerate claims about the state of AIDS in
Cuba either. This quarantine business sounds like a fiasco to me.

>Or does your leftist demand for the abolition of individual rights
>suddenly evaporate when it's YOUR rights?

If I'm bigoted in any way, I keep it to myself. I don't attempt to
obscure anyone else's pursuit of happiness by refusing to rent to
or employ them. Especially since it has nothing to do with me.

If everyone would just mind their own goddamn business, who you
rent to or employ would not matter.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:57:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.224527.24407@morrow.stanford.edu>, GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
> But Jeff, do you really think that compelling people to act in a way
> that goes against their feelings is likely to make them change their
> feelings?  

That really isn't the point.  Individual rights aren't
based on whether or not someone likes you.  "Likes" is
irrelevant.  And frankly, given the either/or situation
that you seem to be positing, I'd much rather have my
rights protected than be elected Miss Congeniality.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: CLINTON: Acceptance speech text - Bible misquote
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:06:40 GMT

hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:

>I wonder what kind of negative adds we will see this time.  Maybe, "George
>Bush fought in WWII.  he was a war hero.  George Bush is a family man.
>he did not doge the draft or cheat on his wife.  George Bush, faithful to
>his wife and faithful to his country."  However, after the last campaign
>maybe we should expect even worse this time.

How about "George Bush. Bombs Iraqis to win elections." At least I've
heard there was a sramble last night. George is taking a leaf out of Maggie's
book.

P.
-- 
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clive P a u l  M o l o n e y "Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the  rem
james Trinity College,Dublin PMOLONEY%MATHS.TCD.IE@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU mind." vr
brownbladerunnerorsonscottcardprincewatchmenkatebushbatmanthekillingjoketolkien
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.conspiracy
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Perot....GONE!
Keywords: King G and the killers
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:40:57 GMT

In article <Brqo5C.HBG@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter
Nelson) writes:
|>In article <1992Jul21.004708.7814@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>
|>kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ)) writes:
|>>philip@reed.edu (Philip Moore) writes:
|>>
|>>>I never considered the rumors about threats against his family
|>>>until I started thinking about the timing of his withdrawal speech
|>and its
|>>>consequent effect on Clinton's popularity.
|>>
|>>I wouldn't be surprised at all that there were threats against
|>Perot.
|>>Look at the first time he appeared before his satellite crowds - he
|>>mentioned that his wife couldn't be near, but she was "safe".
|>>
|>>It was an interesting choice of words, to say the least....
|>
|>
|>  Yyou guys are making too much of this, based on absolutely no hard
|>  data.    The fact is that virtually ALL wealthy, powerful people 
|>  get threats from time to time. 

you also have to take into account Perots previous paranoid assertions
that he could not divulge facts about MIAs because the Vietnamese were
out to assasinate him.

This guy is a grade A kook who spies on his children using private detectives.

This conspiracy story is being put about to hide the true conspiracy,
namely that from start to finish Perot was a Bush stooge and that he is
going to endorse Bush on the eve of the election.


Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
	<3398@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
	<1992Jul20.223228.618@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<1992Jul21.033743.19609@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:01:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.033743.19609@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.223228.618@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens) writes:
>> The last 11+ years, under the guidance of a poorly skilled actor and
>>a one-time CIA director, have created a nation lacking of dreams, visions, 
>>hope, and growth.  Many of our industries can not compete in world markets,
>
>Exports have increased almost 140% in the Reagan/Bush years.
>Overall, American industry is far more competitive now than in 1980.

If you believe that, I have these dynamic RAMs I'd like to sell you.

>The *overall* trade balance in 1991 was -$7 billion . A large surplus
>in services balanced the -$60 billion merchandise trade deficit.
>We will soon have an overall trade surplus.

Like in 1980, you mean ?

Matthias

-----
Matthias Neeracher                                   neeri@iis.ethz.ch
   "There once was an Age of Reason, but we've progressed beyond it."
                                   -- Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Poll of Farmers
Date: 27 Jul 1992 19:25:47 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu
Keywords: Clinton ahead

Our local NPR station reports that a poll of over 600 of its readers
conducted by a Minnetonka (sp?), Mn.-based agricultural news publication,
conducted after the Democratic Convention shows Clinton ahead of Bush.
The poll was a nationwide poll, but heavily biased to the Mid-West.

The results are as follows:
Clinton: 47%
Bush: 39%

Margin of error: +-4%

Before Perot's exit, the poll had Bush at 42%, Clinton at 26%, and Perot at
23%. Perot's support was flagging even before he quit, and most of his support
seems to have gone to Clinton.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
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From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Congress and the balaced budget scam
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:09:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.225425.10460@oakhill.sps.mot.com>,
pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:

|>In article <1992Jul24.192831.13488@msc.cornell.edu>
|>hillyard@msc.cornell.edu writes:
|>>From article <Brwo8M.MFz@apollo.hp.com>, by nelson_p@apollo.hp.com
|>(Peter Nelson):
|>>>    More ca-ca.   It's apples and oranges.   A vote for a balanced
|>budget
|>>>    amendment is a vote for something abstract.   A vote for a
|>cutting a 
|>>>    spending program is a vote for something quite real and
|>concrete.  
|>>>    Only a moron would think these are comparable.  
|>
|>Yes, they are different.  But it is wrong to say a balanced budget
|>amendment
|>is "abstract". The Bill of Rights is "abstract" is you want to look at
|>it
|>a certain way.  But it has a very real and concrete influence on
|>Governmental behavior. 
|>
|>The Balanced Budget Amendment, because it would be permanent and
|>beyond
|>simple legislative override, would have a powerful and concrete
|>impact
|>on the budget process. Consider this: if we had a balanced budget
|>amendment
|>over the last 30 years, would we have had 29 unbalanced budgets?
|>Would we have been 1 for 30?

The problem is not single budget deficits, its the sustained budget
deficits. The amounts taken in tax and needed for spending will vary
from year to year. It is quite OK to have a budget in deficit, so long
as you don't do it every year.

The real problem is that Bush and Regan didn't like taxing rich people
but loved spending money on arms, the Democrats didn't see why these
desires should stop their  desire to spend money helping poor people.
The result was that everyone got what they wanted for twelve years and
it's only now the party is over that people are looking for scapegoats.
What is needed is to reverse the Regan-Bush tax cuts for the rich and
trim down the military budget. Stopping the pork barrel is a little
harder, the entire political system is based on it.


Phill Hallam-Baker

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:35550 alt.politics.clinton:454
From: hlin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (hua.t.lin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:09:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul22.145318.424@cos.com> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>It is interesting to note the level of cynicism abroad.
> ...
>3. If Governor Clinton has done such a lousy job in Arkansas,
>how come they re-elected him 4 or 5 times?
> ...
>My $0.06 worth.
>REB

The other $0.05 worth deleted.
A historical trivia: How many times have Pre.George Bush been elected
on his own?
My recollection from reports (people, please fill in the gaps):
1. Election to House of Representives (which year/s?).
   He lost to Benson in race to Senate (which year?).
2. 1988 to White house.
(All right, he was also VP for 2 terms. But that was really elections
won by Reagan).
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Keywords: egnilges
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:00:32 GMT

In article <1180@tecsun1.etl.army.mil> riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes:
>
>	Ed does not quite say so, and I really don't think he 
>understood what he meant to say, but this turns out to be written from
>a completely feminist perspective, one in which only women's behavior
>is taken into account, rather than dealing with both sides of the problem.
>In the feminist view, the problem is not really that men do disgraceful 
>things (Ironically, feminists, too sometimes subscribe to Tailhook 
>thinking in which boys will be boys), but that women put up with it !
>The addict, then is not the wife beater, but the wife who can't force
>herself to break away. This reconciles the two sentences, in a way that
>Ed may not have consciously intended.

Nope; workers in psychology who use the addiction model say there are
TWO addicts in many wife-beating situations; the husband is addicted to
violence (often to alcohol and chemical substances as well), whereas the
wife is a co-dependent.  It's not either-or as you seem to assume, and
indeed the thought that it must be is codependent thinking at its
finest.



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Bring Bush Down
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:00:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.162039.19603@anasazi.com>, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:

|> I think that of the four candidates (2 Pres, 2 VP), the ones most likely
|> to represent change are:
|>   -Quayle - restore the Reagan revolution


Well, I guess I can agree with this assessment.  If pure _change_ is the
only goal, I think Danny is your man.  I can just see the changes now...

Headlines:

	"Quayle to visit Esparantia after studying Esparanto"
	"Quayle orders correction to spelling text books"
	"Murphy Brown jailed as a treasonous slut"
	"Quayle to wear world leader's ridicule as 'Badge of Honor'"
	

-- 

	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Farewell Perot
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:13:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot,alt.mcdonalds.smut,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Farewell Perot
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: alt.politics.elections
Distribution: 
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
Keywords: 

In article <1992Jul23.183547.14221@gvl.unisys.com> martha@gvlf7-o.gvl.unisys.com (Martha Sherman) writes:
>In article <22JUL92.15386207.0024@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> TCWS000 <TCWS@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> writes:
>>
>>by the way, did you also read n USA today that even Dominos Pizza
>>is trying to register voters? 
>
>
>Since Dominos Pizza is a major contributor/supporter of the 'Right To Life'
>movement, I wouldn't be surprised if they toss out all of the Democratic party
>registrations they make.

Well, in California anyway, this is illegal, although it is common
practice for people registering voters to give the registration cards
back to the voters for *them* to mail for parties other than the one
they're working for.

And I believe there is a difference between the Domino's organization,
which doesn't take a position, and a major stockholder, who supports
'right to life' organizations.  I don't know if this makes a
difference with regard to what pizza you buy.  I always buy Round
Table because it tastes good. :)

Hmm.  Pizza sounds good about now.

Does alt.politics.perot still exist?

 =Aaron=
-- 
Aaron Priven, aaronrp@ucscb.ucsc.edu or fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu
        "Men make history, but they do not do so under 
         conditions of their own choosing." -- Karl Marx
From: glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Gerald Reno)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:42:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <2180@unet.UUCP> stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
>that Clinton's admission of MJ experimetation is about the gut-e-us thing to
>ever come out of a politician's mouth that I have ever heard. He could have 
>JUST SAID NO, that he had never tried it, it would have been impossible to 
>PROVE otherwise. Did he break the law? Of course he did. So have I, so did 
>Jesus, so did Ghandi, so did Geroge Washington. That didn't stop the latter 3
>from becoming great leaders. I believe that the point here isn't weather or 
>not he broke law/s while a student(I don't EVEN want to know anyone who didn't
>break some laws as a student)but the fact he had the balls to admit it. Yes it 

I hate to break into this, but I am a fifth-year college student
and I have NOT broken any laws while a student.

Not quite true: I went to a bar once when I was a sophomore, and I
got a parking ticket when I was a Junior.

No, I am not some form of religious nut. I just don't want to
get in trouble. And prove that you don't have to smoke marijuana
to earn a bachelor's degree.

Jerry Reno (Not Quite BS in Computer Science, Michigan State U)
"Economists have successfully predicted seventeen of the last
 five recessions."
From: marotenb@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mark Rotenberg)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Ross is Gone!
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:38:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <36260@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (Michael Lodman) writes:

> [...]  What happened
> to the Perotistas? Pye and Davis, the worst of that bunch, seem to
> have disappeared off the net altogether, or at least out of this newsgroup.

Fortunately, most of the mindless detractors have left the group so the
signal/noise ratio has improved.  Once again, it's morning in America and for
the politicians it's back to business as usual.  Go back to sleep, America.

> Michael Lodman	Department of Computer Science Engineering
> 	University of California, San Diego
> jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu		      (619) 455-1500 x2627
> 	        Ross Perot for Messiah
								Mark Rotenberg
								mrote@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: "Willie Horton" and Willie Horton
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:08:39 CDT


In article <1992Jul20.024856.26736@nuscc.nus.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
> In article <1992Jul18.142905.25569@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >>Gore's campaign is the original source of Willie Horton.
> >
> >This isn't completely honest.  You're using a different meaning of "Willie
> >Horton" than Tsongas used.  There are two meanings:
> >
> >1) is the one Stupendous Man keeps using: the Willie Horton incident itself.
> >   A Massachusetts newspaper uncovered the story, and Gore was the first
> >   politician to use it.  Gore used it as an example of Mass.'s criminal
> >   law policies, and race didn't enter into the issue.

It should be noted that Gore raised the furlough issue without mentioning
Horton.  It was the Republicans that used Horton's name (Bush) and Horton's
picture (Floyd Brown).

> >2) is the one that everyone else means when the phrase comes up: Willie
> >   Horton-style advertising, which appeals to racial prejudices.  This is
> >   the one that the pro-Bush PAC used, and what Tsongas, and every other
> >   political commentator, is referring to when they say "Willie Horton."
> >   But that doesn't stop Brett from trying to mislead everyone.
> 
> Or, to put it more simply:
> 
> 1) The Willie Horton story that a Democrat used to gain political advantage
Gore used the furlough story...
>    in the primary elections, and
> 
> 2) The Willie Horton story that a Republican used to gain political advantage
Bush and Floyd Brown used Willie Horton...
>    in the general elections.
> 
> In most parts of the world, this is what is known as a double standard but,

Only if you ignore the facts

> hey, its all in the interest of a politicaly correct agenda.

I didn't know you were part of the politically correct agenda...

> There are two issues here:
> 
> 1) what are the facts (e.g. who initiated the Willie Horton story: the 
>    Democrats) and

WRONG!  

> 2) how should we interpret the incident (e.g. racism vs. security).
> 
> While there IS a correct answer to 1s, there is no correct answer to 2s. But
> since the media cannot even get the facts straight, there is  little point
> in debating interpretations of the facts.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Help needed with Marrou petitioning
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:57:12 GMT

The following was posted to libernet this morning and I thought it
would be useful to repost it here.  Another message this morning
indicated that the MA ballot drive has been completed but some of
the other states listed below have very large requirements and very
little time, especially New York and Pennsylvania. If you would like
to help make more choices available on the ballot in your state
please contact the indicated Marrou petition coordinators asap.  The
deadline for many of these states is late July or early August.
Time his short.  We need your help to offer you the Libertarian
alternative.

/June
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 From: Joe Dehn <Joe.Dehn@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org>
 To: Libernet
 Date: 20 Jul 92  17:46:19

 People to call if you can help with petitioning:

    CO  Chris Bogart     303 449 6327
    CT  Rich Loomis      203 745 2848
    DC  Stuart Reges     202 543 1988
    IL  Sue Walton       708 475 0391
    MA  Lee Nason        617 286 1719
    MN  Bob Kuhn         612 377 9888
    MO  Steve Schaper    314 481 1776
    ND  Terry Spath      701 280 0641
    NJ  Dan Karlan       201 444 2846
    NY  Jeff Russell     518 233 1344
    OH  Mark Ginter      513 671 2339
    PA  Richard Schwarz  215 854 8137
    RI  Stephen Lonardo  401 273 9079
    VA  Roger Menner     804 276 2438
    WV  Chris Fishbeck   304 263 0148
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