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From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Why waste your vote?
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:25:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL

My approach to convincing people who think voting Libertarian is
'wasting their vote':

The libertarian candidates don't have to win to be effective.  If the
libertarian vote becomes a significant fraction of the total vote, say
5%, wouldnt the major parties sit up and take notice?  After all they
take notice of almost every other interest group and voting bloc.  In
such a case, one or both of the major parties would modify their
positions so as to absorb that voting bloc.  In that case the goals
of libertarians will have been advanced.

Ultimately it does not matter if politicians continue to be elected
under the headings 'democrat' and 'repulican' , if the parties themselves
shift their goals towards more liberty.

To address another problem: politicians who promise things during a
campaign then proceed to do something different when elected.  A friend
of mine who ran for Congess a few years ago on the Libertarian ticket
adressed the issue.  He posted a personal bond of $5000 to guarantee
his campaign promises, and set the city paper as the arbiter of whether
he kept those promises (technically, whether he voted consistently
with his campaign platform).  This makes sense to me, since in other
jobs where large sums of money are involved owners require a security
bond from their employees.

Dani Eder

-- 
Dani Eder/Boeing/Advanced Civil Space/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/
Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Member: Space Studies Institute
Physical Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt.
***THE ABOVE IS NOT THE OPINION OF THE BOEING COMPANY OR ITS MANAGEMENT.***
From: greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn Green)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Free market stuff (pardon if this has already been posted)
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:46:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

>For those who care, Reisman is currently working on a large book that
>will be his _Human Action_.  I expect it to be more general than
>_Government Against the Economy_, although there is promised an entire
>chapter on the contemporary topic of environmentlaism, which Reisman
>calls nothing less than an attempt to undo the Industrial Revolution.

An attempt to undo the Industrial Revolution?  I think that's just as
hysterical of a response as the people who say pollution is a government /
big business conspiracy.  I believe most people who would consider themselves
"environmentalists" have as their motive the desire to see that we don't
make the planet uninhabitable.  I hardly think *most* of them have been waiting
for an excuse to try and bring back the old agrarian society.


Shawn Green
greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Abuse of power by major candidates
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:57:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL

I heard recently about the shift of the Secretary of State to become
White House Chief of Staff to 'manage the reelection campaign'.  It
occurred to me to wonder whether he is being paid during working hours
out of the white house budget, but actually devoting his time to 
campaigning.  If that is the case, isn't it an abuse of the taxpayers'
money to be doing so?  For that matter, does the President take
leave without pay those days he is campaigning?  I would have to,
since it would be stealing company time to use it for personal
gain.  How many other administration staffers do this?

And what about Governor Clinton?  Bush at least can say that he is
campaigning to continue to do what he thinks is the best for the
country.  Clinton is campaigning for another job entirely.  Is he
still being paid to be governor of Arkansas?  Aren't the people of
Arkansas being ripped off if they pay him and he spends most of
his time off giving speeches in other states, rather than running
his own state government?

If anyone has definitive information on these questions, I would be
interested in hearing about it.

Dani Eder

-- 
Dani Eder/Boeing/Advanced Civil Space/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/
Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Member: Space Studies Institute
Physical Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt.
***THE ABOVE IS NOT THE OPINION OF THE BOEING COMPANY OR ITS MANAGEMENT.***
From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Free market stuff (pardon if this has already been posted)
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:26:58 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
[someone else wrote]
>>But all too recent history proves that it's not true. The reality of the
>>South in the 1950s is that there often was no one else that would sell to
>>Blacks.
>>
>>: "white monkeys" in my store. Now, if no one will sell to you, then you
>>: have a reason for complaint.
>>:
>>But under libertarianism, there would be no one to complain to, and no
>>mechanism for complaining.  And that's exactly why libertarianism, while
>>wonderful in theory, would in reality be a nightmare for minorities.

>In a free society, however, there would be no laws against minorities
>starting their own businesses.

How easy is it to start one's own business that would cater for
minorities, in an environment where discrimination of this form
exists?  [Obviously not impossible; the majority doesn't want the
minority to die off altogether.  They just don't want them to
prosper.]

>These businesses could deal with whomever
>they wished, also. Don't make the mistake of thinking that a free
>society entails a necessarily easy life.

There are levels of "easiness"; don't assume that things are
equally easy for people in different positions.  If you're faced
with a 10 foot wall, and other people have a 5 foot wall, you might
feel justified in complaining a bit.  Otherwise, it seems like you're
saying the rich and the poor are equally free to sleep under bridges
(or however that quote goes).

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Newsgroups: alt.individualism
From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)
Subject: Re: Train vs. plane subsidies? (was Re: Private Discrimination)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:13:00 GMT


From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)

In article <1992Aug24.161801.15617@mcc.com> amck@mcc.com (Alan McKendree)
write:
>In article <1992Aug21.230859.19417@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
write:
@In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug21144933@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
writ:
@       The Texas Department of Aviation spends $1.3 billion a year on
@airports -- in general funds. Texas is the only state without any kind
@of aviation fuels tax. And if that isn't contrary to Libertarian
@principles (everything must pay for itself, right?), then I don't know
@what is.

>Well, it looks like you don't know what is.  Let me try to explain.
>The Libertarian solution is to eliminate the existing subsidy, _not_
>to create a new tax in Texas just because every other state has such a
>tax.

        But then, how are aviation-related facilities to be paid for?

        I presume it would be by some kind of user fee, and it seems
to me that this tax is essentially a user fee. If it isn't, then why
isn't it?

----------------------------------

The problem with an aviation fuels tax (aside from it being a
tax), is that it is *not* a user fee.  The cost of the aviation fuel
is the "user fee"....

A better solution (imho, course) would be to de-regulate landing fees,
and let airports charge what the traffic will bear.  This would have
the *immediate* effect of driving general aviation away from major
airports, which would greatly reduce the workload for the most
overburdened sectors of the ATC system.

While you're at it, you could privatize ATC and allow the operator(s)
to charge a fee for handling each aircraft.  That would be another
way to assess these costs against he people who use the service.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers,alt.guitar.bass
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu(131.216.1.11) for 8/31 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:02:55 GMT

	Beatles
		Blackbird b
	Eric Bogle
		And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda c
	Cure
		Some One Elses Train c
		Somebody Else c
	Daddy Cool
		Eagle Rock t
	Dire Straits
		Iron Hand t
	Dragon
		April Sun c
	Jefferson Airplane
		White Rabbit t
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		Soles Bury Hill c
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		Talk About The Passion t
	Tom Petty
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	I'l be updating the INDEX, Archive.tar.Z, and the Archive.cat files
tomarrow.

	There is a new directory called 'New This Week.' This directory will
contain everything posted to the archive for the week, and will be purged
Monday nights.

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* From: James B     * "Life is a diamond you turn into dust."                 *
* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
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From: carmon@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com (Chris Carmon)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: ftp site for cnc info
Date: 1 Sep 1992 09:11:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Can anyone confirm the ftp-site listed below from this 
previous post?

       Thanks,
        John        

Please reply to carmon@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com



 >> Article 6032 of alt.guitar
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 >> Newsgroups: alt.guitar
 >> Subject: ***Strats, Les Pauls, Tele's, Flying V's posted at FTP-Ind.Art.ISU.EDU
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 >> 
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From: lee@Gwinnett.COM (Lee Reese)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Bill Lawerence
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:57:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Gwinnett Computer Services, Atlanta(Duluth), GA


Does anybody have an address and/or phone number for Bill Lawerence?
I would like to get some information on his products.

Thanks in advance,
Lee Reese
lee@gwinnett.com
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:49:14 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona


 > Would there be an
 > additional problem trying to use a bow on the metal strings of an
 > acoustic or electric guitar?

	     I noticed one annoying by-product of playing electric guitar with
a violin bow: Normally string players put rosin on the horsehair of the
bow to increase the "tackiness" of the bow, so as to get a sound out of 
the string. Rosin is sticky stuff, and once it gets all over your strings,
it a real pain in the ass...I recommend cleaning it off asap, and if you're
trying to switch between bow and plectrum on ONE guitar at one time, you'll
have a hell of a time. I'm pretty sure that Page always swapped guitars
after using the bow to gat around this...
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From: pm3r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Prakash Mathew)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: WIDE NECKed classical guitars.
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:03:41 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,
I've been playing a steel stringed acoustic for a number of years and I
want to get a nylon stringed clasical guitar. Besides learning a few
classical pieces, I intend to pluck a lot, which I enjoy.

I have noticed that generally, concert guitars have a wider neck.
Could those among you with some experience with concert guitars comment
on the advantages of a wider necked model? How do slimmer necked
guitars(also concert) compare?Advice, Comments, Observations?

I have $ 150 -200 to spend on a classical acoustic. In your opinion,
what guitars provide the biggest twang for the buck?

Thanks in advance and happy pluckin'!

Prakash Mathew.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: FTP question
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:48:16 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


In article <1992Aug25.160228@shovel.Prime.COM>, tim@shovel.Prime.COM (Tim Cantin) writes:
|> Get the file pub/guitar/INDEX, that's what it's there for :)
|> 
|> -- 
|> #include "stddisclaimer.h"
|> /* Tim Cantin          {uunet, csnet-relay}!primerd!tim || tim@s35.prime.com
|>    Prime Computer Inc. 10-21, 500 Old Conn. Path, Framingham, MA 01701 (USA) */
|> flames > /dev/null 2>&1

Its wrong. I did an ls * and then edited the script file I made, and it was real
different to the INDEX file. A lot of stuff wasnt in the INDEX.

	Cheers... Mike
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mirk@nim.ctt.bellcore.com (Andy Mirkis)
Subject: Re: Looking for a 12 string....
Summary: Ovation 12 string
Keywords: Ovation 12 string
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 22:18:22 GMT


>Howdy all... I've recently become interested in getting ahold of a 
>12 string.  I just love the sound.  I've been looking around, playing
>lots of different guitars.  Currently I've got my eye on an Ovation
>with pickup, though they want $600 for it (with case).... I don't really
>know the model, though I'm guessing it is the bottom of the line 12
>string/pickup that they make.  Any comments?  Any recommendations for
>12 strings?  Pickups are not really necessary, so any 12 string will do....
>

I am also very interested in buying a 12 string.  I was looking at
an ovation that looked and sounded great.  I believe it was from the
pinicle (sp) series.  According to the salesperson there are three
"levels" of ovation quality: the lowest being those made in Korea,
the highest being those made in the U.S. and the pinicle series
(made in Japan) somewhere in between.

I was this close to buying it but I was a little uneasy with all
the talk of Ovations spliting below the bridge.  I don't know of
this happening first hand and the sales person said it was not a
problem (as the dollar signs rolled in his eyes).  I like the action
of the Ovations and the electronics are nice to have as well.  Anyone
out there own an ovation 12 string??  Any comments??

-Mirk

------------------------------
Andy Mirkis
Bell Communications Research
Piscataway, New Jersy
------------------------------

Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu(131.21.1.11) **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:58:26 GMT

	Graham Nash
		Don't Say Goodbye c


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* From: James B     * "Life is a diamond you turn into dust."                 *
* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
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From: sumrn@dssv01.crd.ge.com (Robert N. Sum)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Strings (was Re: Martin guitars)
Keywords: guitar strings, Guild
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:40:05 GMT
Reply-To: sumrn@crd.ge.com
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: GE R&D, DICE Program


  I admit, like a number of others here, I like my Guild D25 very much.
Even though I had only been playing for about four months at the time that
I bought it, I spent parts of about four weekends trying out lots of models
from lots of makers.
  Question:  As I am still pretty new to the guitar (a little over a year),
I'm open to trying different strings.  Anyone care to suggest favorite brands?
I've been playing mostly during church and in prayer groups, etc. so I'm
looking for a full folk/contemporary kind of sound.  (The D25 has been good
at this regardless of the strings that I have tried, but any extra help is
appreciated.)
  If you email to me, I'll post a summary in a week or so.

  -- Bob

==
  sumrn@crd.ge.com

  Robert Sum
  G.E. Corp. R. & D.
  P.O. Box 8, Rm. KW-C277
  Schenectady, NY 12301

  Tel. (518) 387-7696

Please note that the "Standard Disclaimer" applies here.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:54:34 GMT

Sorry for the band-width, but this topic just sorta brings out thoughts
of Ted Nugent and his stage antics - now that is what I call a guitarist's
proper use of a bow!!!

swood

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From: svrobins@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Guitar buying advice
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:45:42 GMT
Organization: Inmos Limited

In article <9209031823.AA02205@moeng2.morgan.edu>, glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:

> I have not seen Seagulls in stores when I've been shopping.  I do have
> a friend who plays one, and I agree that it is a wonderfull instrument.
> I don't recall offhand how much it cost her.
> 
> In addition to _looking_ nice, the finish Seagull uses *feels* very nice,
> especially where one's thumb touches the back of the neck.  Quite pleasant.
> I don't think it's wax, by the way, but I'm not sure what it is.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Its an alchohol based laquer. My Seagull S6 cost 224 (Uk pounds), from Cranes 
Music of Cardiff. They also had another Seagull model, can't remember which one.
Seagulls are distributed in the UK by Zildjian Music. I have some extra bumf
on Seagulls at home, including Zildjian's address. I'll post it all if someone
asks.

The guitar BTW is very nice, except for the single strap button! (see previous
postings)

Paul Robins

===================== gave up the .sigs years ago ========================= 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent)
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:46:42 GMT


  The only person i've heard play slide in standard tuning is Danny Gatton, and
he plays it wonderfully.  I on the other hand, am having a hell of a time 
trying to do it, but it can be done.

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 14:06:47 CST

In article <9208251734.AA13370@moeng2.morgan.edu>
glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:
 
>
>:-)  I've heard all sorts of good things about Martins.  The only
>people I've heard put down Martin guitars are luthiers themselves,
>who fancy themselves sort of competitors to Martin.  But I have yet
>to find a Martin in a music store that I like half as much as my
>Yamaha.  I've only played one Martin I did like, and that wasn't for
>sale.
>
>I don't want to put down Martin -- after all, everyone _else_ seems
>to like them, so they're obviously doing something right
 
In my opinion, its not that Martin is doing something right, but that
they did something right.  The old Martins are some of the finest playing
and sounding guitars I've come across, but since the late 60's there has
been a noticable drop-off in their quality.  My brother-in-law has a
1976 D-28 that has some real quality problems.  For one thing, the
guitar's truss rod is not adjustable, and the neck is bowed to the point
that the action is more like that of a Dobro and not of a guitar.  Also,
the pickguard is peeling off.  This guitar has no scratches or dents, so
it obviously has not been abused.  With the guitars that are available now
for the same price and much better quality (Guild, Takamine, Taylor, etc.)
I can't see why anyone would buy a Martin except for the name.
 
IMHO (no flames please)
 
brian
adcbb@vm.cc.latech.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
Subject: Re: Bill Lawerence
Summary: Bill Lawerence
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:38:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.215727.23405@Gwinnett.COM>, lee@Gwinnett.COM (Lee Reese) writes:
> 
> Does anybody have an address and/or phone number for Bill Lawerence?
> I would like to get some information on his products.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Lee Reese
> lee@gwinnett.com

	I just looked through the 1992-93 GUITAR BUYER'S GUIDE. No Bill
	Lawerence. 

	The other guitar player in my band has a Bill Lawerence XL500
	blade type pickup in his LesPaul. It sounds very good.



	Steve
	Doin That Blues ThAng!
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: schouten@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1684EC679.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>
	<1992Aug27.135707.28356@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:21:34

In article <1992Aug27.135707.28356@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jgn@vixen.uucp (22122-niederberger) writes:
> In article <1684EC679.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey) writes:
>>In my opinion, its not that Martin is doing something right, but that
>>they did something right.  The old Martins are some of the finest playing
>>and sounding guitars I've come across, but since the late 60's there has
>>been a noticable drop-off in their quality.

One other factor to remember is the general rule of thumb that good
instruments get better with age.

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu