From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:09:58 GMT

In article <13711@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.194249.2829@udel.edu>, carroll@nori.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
>> In article <13671@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> >In article <1go3r6INN8m7@copland.crhc.uiuc.edu>, pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan) writes:
># ## #If it's so darned unimportant, then why keep repeating an obviously 
># ## #erronous and politically motivated 10 percent?
># ## 
># ## 1) It is not obviously erroneous, you're deliberately misunderstanding it so
># ##    you can say it's wrong.
># ## 
># ## 2) Because Clayton is dancing around the net twisting these statistics to
># ##    erroneously prove that I am a child molestor.
># #
># #Liar.  I have REPEATEDLY pointed out that most homosexuals are NOT
># #molesters, but the disproportionate involvement of homosexuals in
># #child molestation is reason, at least in some jobs, for discrimination.
># #I have NEVER claimed that Paul Ryan is a child molester.  
># 
># You're the liar Clayton.
># 
># Mr. Ryan has never, to my knowledge, attempted to cause hatred or
># bigotry towards any group of people. You, however, have repeatedly
># tried to incite hatred towards and discrimination against homosexuals
># on the basis of deliberate falsehoods, distortions, and
># misrepresentations.
>
>Look, you can't show any example of me claiming that Mr. Ryan is
>a child molester, because I've never said that.  So you find it
>necessary to lie.  I'm not surprised.

Please read the text you are responding to.

I did not say that you claimed Mr. Ryan was a child molester. I did
say that you deliberately use falsehoods, distortions, and
misrepresentations to incite hatred and discrimination against
homosexuals.



># For an example, we need look only as far as the next line of your post:
># 
># #I will claim that Paul Ryan is a liar, but that just seems to be part
># #and parcel of being a homoseuxal.
># 
># The actions of any individual do not allow you to make any conclusion
># about the group, and you know that quite well. But you continue to
># make libelous accusations against homosexuals on the basis of single
># point examples. That's using a deliberate falsehood to incite hatred
># and discrimination.
>
>Homosexuals have repeatedly demonstrated that they are dishonest,
>lying, untrustworthy people on USENET.  They tell lies repeatedly
>about what I have said.  Clear enough?

No. Homosexuals individuals MAY HAVE demonstrated that they, AS
INDIVIDUALS, are dishonest. That does *not* allow you to extrapolate
out and form a judgement against the entire population of usenet.

Realistically, how many people take the time to respond to your
nonsense? A dozen? Perhaps 2 dozen people at the outside. And how many
of those 1-2 dozen people are homosexuals? And how many of them have
you caught lying? (I've never seen you catch any of them lying. I've
often seen you accuse them of lying, but you've never bothered to
support that claim.) Suppose that *every* person who argues with you
is a homosexual, and every single one is a liar. That's only 2 dozen
people. Out of how many thousands of homosexuals with net access, you
can point out AT MOST 2 dozen people who you claim are liars. How does
that justify your judging an entire group as liars?

You're a scum, Clayton. You're exactly the same kind of swine who
helped them kill my family in Germany. You're a lying bastard who
has nothing better to do with his life then convince people to hate
others, on the basis of your lies.

	<MC>

(And if you try your good old "I don't respond to ad-hominem attacks", then
I'd recommend you go back and read your own posts, which rely very strongly
on ad-hominem attacks when you can't think of anything better to say.)
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|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| it's a spiritual goal. It's not something
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