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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The Quality of Life"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:32:50 GMT
Keywords: TNG, Data, machine life?

knauer@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
:)In <1emnn4INN13r@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
:)Spoilers (minor)

:)[...]
:)>Geordi and Picard are trapped on board it, with radiation levels rising 
:)>rapidly.  With time too short to send a shuttle or properly configure a 
:)[...]
:)>Data responds to this by locking out the transporter controls, and refuses to
:)>release them even under threat of court-martial.  In the end, Riker 

:)In all seriousness, how can it be that things are so easily "locked" and are
:)"locked" from just one control panel?  Is there no way at all to override,
:)even saying "Computer, identify Riker.  Unlock transporter"?  How about
:)ripping open the panel and patching in something (a tricorder, datapadd, or
:)even an HP calculator?) to control it?

Possibly that "locking" them out consists of re-routing connections and the
like so that they would have to be traced before they can be undone.

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From: jnb@calmasd.prime.com
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Subject: Re: Blooper in "Fistfull..." Possible Spoilers.
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:16:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.1992Nov16.121605.955
Organization: Computervision, San Diego CA

In article <tomcat.721873612@cwis>, tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
> Possible spoilers ahead...beware!
> 
> 
> Possible blooper, and I've checked over it a lot but not really sure, but did
> Data use a contraction during the scene the Observation Lounge with Geordi,
> Picard, and Riker.   The scene when they first noticed his "Ancient Western"
> accent...he said "I've been studying" some sort of music...

I didn't notice that blooper, but at the end there was a very apparent one
with Worf looking in the mirror and pretending to quick-draw with his
left hand, but when they go to a non-mirror image, he's got his right
hand extended instead.  Take a look at it, it's really noticable.

	Jenne Beauvais			(jnb@calmasd.prime.com)
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Quality of "Quality of Life"
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:20:05 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <BxuHxF.LKB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kpm44977@uxa (Kevin P. McDonald) writes:
>
> few comments on the latest TNG episode "The Quality of Life", but first...

>
>O.K., now for some unsolicited opinions.
>
>	Is it just me or was this an exceptionally BAD episode.

Nope.  Definitely not just you.

>wasn't the core idea of this story already seen in [...] "Home Soil"?

IMHO, this is the downfall of this episode.  It doesn't just use a previous
idea, it steals wholesale from previous episodes:

  1. Unknown and unsuspected new life form is put in jeopardy by self-
     centered and overly ambitious scientist [Home Soil, Evolution].

  2. The rights of machine intellegence is brought up [Measure of a Man,
     Evolution, Offspring].  Unlike those, however, no new ground is explored.

  3. Data shows he is able to take over the ship single-handedly whenever
     he takes a mind to [Brothers]

  4. Riker performs in a manner that suggests he's /not/ good captain material
     [Rascals, Darmok, just to name two that come to mind]

  5. Characters are put in mortal danger, but everyone (except a walk-on
     character) is safe and sound by the time the credits roll.
     [virtually every episode ever made (TOS included)]

Additionally, we have Picard and LaForge  put in danger by trechnology
introduced just for the episode, and rescued by trechnology just for the
episode.  I was never really involved in this story.  I never felt like
Picard and LaForge were in danger.  I never felt any empathy for the
exo-comps.  Sad to say, but the most interesting scene in the whole episode
was the opening poker sequence.

And there's another thing too.  This episode clearly establishes that the
Federation now has the ability to create artificially intelligent machines
on a wholesale scale.  Any takers on a bet we'll never see or hear of them
again?

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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Points to Ponder:  The Quality of Life
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:06:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov18.060623.21107
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  "Home Soil" meets "Evolution" with little or no continuity.  I kinda liked
  watching it, though.  More farther down your screen.
























  - Yet Another Bumpy Headed Alien!
  - It was nice to see Geordi as lost by some of the technobabble as we are,
    even if his beard looks silly.                  
  - Speaking of the beard:  It was amusing seeing Geordi mimicing some of
    Riker's mannerisms (particularly the ramrod straight back while raising an
    eyebrow at Dr Crusher).
  - The return of the double neon-tubed bench thingy, seen in darn near every
    lab in TNG so far!
  - Good use of the hand-held camera.  Frakes seems to like using them (see
    "Cause and Effect") and uses them well.
  - Crusher seems to get pushier every episode...
  - Then there's Data...  "I am unique."  What about Lore?  "I do not re-
    produce."  What about Lal, and the entire episode that went with it?
    I kept wondering if the writers had ever seen "Home Soil", "Evolution",
    "Measure of a Man", "The Offspring", "Brothers" or any other episode with
    Lore...
  - The longer the show goes on, the more I dislike Gerordi as Chief Engineer.
    Nothing ever affects him...  "We're about to die?  No prob.  Push that but-
    ton while I run a level 40 diagnostic, followed by a level 14 diagnostic,
    and, just to be sure, a level 2 diagnostic as well."
  - And, finally, anyone else think of the little robot in "Jason of Star
    Command" when they saw the exocomps? ;)

  And now a bunch of reruns.  Bleah.  What a season...  Or, "What season?"
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: NOT NEW BUT... (The Drumhead)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 05:17:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <21NOV92.25395282.0068@VM1.MCGILL.CA> news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca writes:
[snip - question about Picard's violations of the Prime Directives]

It would be really nice if we ever had the Official
Starfleet/Federation wording of the Prime directive. Its vague at
best. At worst, stupid. Cases in point:

>"Justice" - rescuing Wesley

The Federation was already interacting with the people of Rubicun
III, and influencing their culture. It couldn't be considered
pure - the contamination was there. 

>"Angel One" - rescuing people on female dominated world

Again, the contamination was there. What Picard should have done
was said 'damn with what you want, we're taking you'.

>"When the [Bough] Breaks" - rescuing Wesley, again

The children had been kidnapped. This was a deliberate act
against the Federation, and as such, the Prime Directive would no
longer hold.

>"Symbiosis" - Picard says "No" to drugs

This was a request for help (see below). Picard simply stopped
giving this help at his discression. To do otherwise would have
created a dependecy of the Onarans on the Federation, for engine
technology or maintanance.

>"Pen Pal" - rescuing Data's friend

Sarjenka had asked for help, and made first contact, which as
Picard says clouded the situation. This would probably count as a
violation of the Prime Directive, in some sense. However, little
or no _societal_ contamination was caused.

>"Legacy" - rescuing people on Tasha's homeworld

They again initiated the contact. The Feds had been there before.

>"Who Watches the Watchers" - people think Picard is a God

The researchers shouldn't have been there in the first place. The
Enterprise just made it worse.

>"Higher Ground" - rescuing Beverly from terrorists

See "When the Bough Breaks". Picard was presented with a
situation that already violated the Prime Directive, and had to
deal with it as best he could.

Joshua
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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL MESSED
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:02:07 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <rawdon.722464699@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <1eoikaINN2ng@bigboote.WPI.EDU> satch@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Victor Corbin) writes:
>>[Childish tirade deleted.]
>
>The phrase "difference of opinion" must not be in this dude's repertoire.

I beg to differ (;-).  The missing concept from his consciousness is
obviously 'Tolerance'.

>>FLAMERS GO HOME 
>
>Take your own advice, guy.  Or at least go take a cold shower!

Or, if one finds this group so onerous, just don't read it.

>Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu

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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *S*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:02:05 GMT

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
:)In article <BxILtq.Cuu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
:)>mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
:)>:)I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir

control-L put back in. Please don't remove it.

:)>:)At least the holodeck was necessarily a crutch in this one....it was 
:)>:)used well.

:)>Used VERY well. Probably one of the best holodeck usages there's been.

:)What makes it any different than "The Big Goodbye"?  It's already been

That's why I said "one of the best"  :)

:)>:)The techno part of this made the most sense of any TNG episode this season!

:)>Made sense, was plausable, and easy to explain to the audience.

:)Thank goodness for that.  Maybe someone realised that technobabble only
:)takes away from the precious minutes that they have left to squeeze any

Actually, I don't mind if it's long winded and needs some explanation,
as long as it seems plausable and the viewer actually feels like something
has just been explained to them. It's just when they babble on for a while
and the viewer is just as lost as before that it gets annoying.

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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Trekkies vs. Trekkers
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 02:45:39 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <ogoh.722222814@sfu.ca> ogoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Oon Goh) writes:
>	"Trekkie" was used originally to refer to fans/ cult followers 
>of the original series.
>	With the new age politcal correctness movement, the arrival of a 
>new Star Trek; "The Next Generation" brought with it a new 
>set of fans who preferred to be refered to as "Trekkers" - term being
>more politically correct.
>	So from a historic point of view, "Trekkies" refer to fans from
>the original series, and "Trekkers" to the new series.

Uh-uh.  'Trekker' has been in use in Trek fandom since the '70s.  I
have not seen *any* evidence of the term being used as described
above.

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From: ljlucas@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Lori Lucas)
Subject: Re: Fist Full of Datas question (small spoiler)
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:46:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.150458.23363@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.070243.6934@wuecl.wustl.edu>, msg1@cec2.wustl.edu (Michael Scott Groner) writes:
>>> 	I really did enjoy this episode for its comedy, but there is one small
>>> point that keeps getting at me.  Did I miss something or why did Worf not use
>>> his communicator to call out for help???
> 
>
>In article <1992Nov16.192555.2121@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>Actually, Troi did....remember?  She called for security, which is hilarious,
>>because Worf IS security.
>
>Hey, that's pretty funny.  Worf IS security?  I couldn't tell.
>

Actually, Worf is head of security.  Hasn't everyone had the experience that theboss doesn't have to know how to do your job, (s)he just has to be able to tell you how to do it.


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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: NOT NEW BUT... (The Drumhead)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:08:44 GMT

batemanc@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Mad Chris) writes:

>In 'The Drumhead' the rampaging ex-Admiral observes that Picard has
>violated the Prime Directive nine times since becoming the captain
>of the Enterprise. Does anyone know if this is accurate to the
>episodes, or just a ball park figure? Do some episodes constitute more
>than one violation (e.g. Pen Pals)?

>What does everyone think?

The number is accurate...here's a list of the episodes where he does"
"Justice"
"Angle One"
"Pen Pals"
"Up the Long Ladder"
"The Ensigns of Command"
"Who Watches the Watchers"
"The High Ground"
"Legacy"
"First Contact"
Then, General Order #1 was violated again in "The Masterpiece Society"...for
a grand total of 10.

This was from the List of Lists compiled by Mark Holtz.

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From: jholder@vesta.unm.edu (J. Holder)
Subject:  Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:16:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

David Wolff (dwolff@RES-C4.Prime.COM) writes:

My sharp-eyed wife (hey, she's an editor) found a *real* blooper.  When
Worf practices his quick-draw at the end... the gun switches hands!
It starts out in his left hand, the camera angle changes, and shazam,
it's in his right hand!

----

Actually, if you look VERY carefully at the video, Worf's com badge and the
thing on the wall behind him switch sides as well.  Methinks we have a reversed
negative!

		- John Holder

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: NOT NEW BUT... (The Drumhead)
Date: 22 Nov 92 10:47:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <22NOV92.00548542.0068@VM1.MCGILL.CA> news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca writes:

>>"Symbiosis" - Picard says "No" to drugs

If this is the episode I'm thinking of, Picard did NOT break the PD.
In fact, he *used* the PD as an excuse to not give those people what
they needed, so they couldn't get their drugs.

>"Up the Long Ladder" - mixing clones and non-clones

I don't think this counts either.  They were humans, from Earth (although
from centuries before).  The PD doesn't include humans.

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From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Request for "Ode to Spot"
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:25:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

knauer@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
>
>>Felus Catus is your taxonomic nomenclature.
>>An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature.
>
>Just a little punctuation switching and voila' -- a better poem.
>

Yes, that was an alternative transcription in my mind -- after I did it!
However, if we take your approach there should be a comma after the first
line:

     Felus Catus is your taxonomic nomenclature,
     An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature.

Better poem?  More logical, perhaps, but not better.  We all love it because
it's so baaaaaaaaad!

Or because we like cats.

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From: tonyg@byron.u.washington.edu (Anthony Gades)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.015806.22596@mercury.cair.du.edu> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.185202.16145@u.washington.edu> tonyg@byron.u.washington.edu (Anthony Gades) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.073110.5746@u.washington.edu> cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker) writes:
>>>In article <rawdon.721809957@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Current clothing and beauty ideas are all geared towards the ideal
>>>that you seem to appreciate.  You certainly have the right to your
>>>own tastes, but even though my butt is in all likelihood larger
>>>than Sirtis', I will continue to judge myself by _my_ body type,
>>>and not Cindy Crawfords.
>>>
>>
>>which makes me glad that _you_ were not the one wearing the leather
>>pants on the episode.
>>
>>-tony
>>
>I'm glad that not all men are as sexist and shallow as you are!
>
>Amy
>

I think that there are a few people that could stand to spend a few
evenings curled up in a nice warm blanket in front of the fire reading 
the dictionary.  However, I'll spare you all the effort:

Sexism.  1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex; esp: discrimination 
	against women.  2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster
	stereotypes of social roles based on sex -- sexist.

I'd welcome an explanation as to why the comment above makes me sexist. 
But I do think that the argument is moot.

Now, shallow _is_ quite a defensible position based on the comment above.

-tony
From: satch@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Victor Corbin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review "The Quality of Life" SPOILERS!
Date: 22 Nov 1992 16:14:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

<1992Nov21.192524.369@rivers> says
>Steven.K.Manfred says he'd give it a 9.3

A 9.3. A 9.3 What was this guy thinking.  This was buy far the cheesyest 
episode of STTNG.  And really bad cheese at that.  It had many of the chedder
qualities of STOS except they had an excuse. They time period. Don't get me 
wrong TOS was good.  Unlike "The Quality of Life."

I think should take a good look at who he calls good actors and actresses.
The woman who played the docter was awful.  She couldn't act to save her life.
She a potentionally good episode sound like a cross between a bad commercial 
and "The Brady Bunch"  "When my reactor core breaks down I use one of these,
The Exo-Comp. Its fast easy and there's no messy clup"  What the Hell!

I Give this episode a capital "R" for Rotten Cheese





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From: joseph@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Joseph Dawson)
Subject: Holodecks 'cmon get real!
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:54:36 GMT



For a moment just think that you where given the chance to use a real
Holodeck. 

Would you do:	(a) Go fishing?
		(b) Go for a nice walk in the woods?
		(c) Go play war games?
		(d) Do the wild thing (AIDS FREE)?

If you really had a holodeck you would have to book them up months in
advance by 15 min blocks.  

And other then this point, it seems everytime someone makes use of one they
get in danger.  I would recomend removing them from the ship and using
the space for something else.
 
Joe
From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fist full of data's force field question
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:11:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus

>>> Ok if the only problem with Worf's force lasting forever was the energy
>>> then why can't the ship's security team rig up a bunch of personal
>>> fields. Have them automatated to only turn on when fired upon. Let a
>>> phaser like thing power them. Why not. If Worf can rig it surely a real
>>> engineer could pull it off. (I'm not trying to be racist against Worf
>>> so any Klingons out there don't flame me).

>> Personal force fields for everyone, eh?  Do you really want to read
>> 10,000 posts decrying the PFF and how it removes the threat of personal
>> injury from all of the characters?

In one of Asimov's Foundation series there was an invention the size of a small
nutshell that would give you personal shielding aginst being blasted with a
similar form of energy weapon. Of course the powersource was fusion (Asimov was
big on that) and was not re-chargeable.