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From: felske@erich.triumf.ca (FELSKE, WAYNE W.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Comparable to Proteus/2
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:00 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


>A friend with limited resources would like to buy a MIDI module 
>with a full complement of orchestral sounds, to assist him in composing
>orthodox classical music.
> 
>I have recommended a Proteus/2, as I have one.
> 
>Can anyone out there in netland offer reasonable alternatives to the 
>Proteus/2 in terms of value-for-money

	a U-220 may be a bit cheaper. I have a  U-20 and like the orchestral 
instruments in it. I'm told the PCM card for strings are good as well although
that would add to the overall cost. The U-20\U-220 have on board chorus and 
reverb  and 32 voice.
	One I would not recomend in a classical application is an M1R and the 
other korg M's they seem a little to "pop" for my ears.

	I have heard a Proteus/2 and was impressed. One question is...Does it
have on board effects? I was thinking of adding to my studio and was wondering.

	Wayne Felske
	FELSKE@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: TR 606
Keywords: beatbox, Roland, help
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:34:46 GMT

In article <2316@dutiws.tudelft.nl>, roose@dutiws.tudelft.nl (E.Roos Lindgreen.TI-tel-1670) writes:
|> Hi net, at the risk of boring an unprecedentedly large audience,
|> I have three minuscule questions. At our disposal is a small beatbox, 
|> label says Roland TR-606, features include a "titanium" plastic cover 
|> and a number of buttons and pots. The "M", from "RTFM", is missing.
|> Questions:
|> 
|> 	What is a TR-606?

An early Roland drum machine. Sounds are synthesized using analog
circuits.

|> 	How does it relate to the other Roland boxes (808, 909)?

It is smaller and the sounds less realistic - they have a very 
synth-drum sound. Evolution-wise it preceded the others I think:

606=>808=>909=>707=>505=>R8

|> 	How can we use it?

Like a drum machine ! Yoy can sample the sounds if you have a sampler.
The 606 has Roland DIN sync so you can get a MIDI to DIN sync convertor
and use MIDI to sync it. Programming is typical Roland stuff - all
their machines such as the 808, 909, 707, 505 use this programming
setup.

|> 
|> Replies by e-mail; the wittiest reply will receive a souvenir from
|> Delft, and a summary of replies (if any) will be posted.
|> 
|> And here's the bonus question:
|> 
|> 	What is a TB-303?

Monophonic, analog, bass synth with pattern sequencer.

|> 
|> thanks, Edo Roos Lindgreen
|> Delft University of Technology

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: weird request for adaptor
Keywords: 707
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:20:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.134449.17683@news.media.mit.edu>, alice@media.mit.edu (Alice Lei) writes:
|> does anyone have a roland tr707 ac adaptor they have lying around
|> would you like to sell it in a hurry?
|> 
|> i bought a radio shack replacement 
|> i should have known better
|> we lost our click in the middle soundcheck the other night
|> needless to say 
|> the show was wonderful
|> =:-(


Boss has several ac adaptors - just get the right voltage and you
should be all set. Available at any music store selling Roland/Boss.
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From: quantum@babss.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: For Sale
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:14:28 GMT
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services, Branford CT. 06405


Following items for sale. Prices are open, buyer splits shipping:

Alesis SR16    w/ vinyl cover                          $225
Kawai K3m      6 voice rack mount hybrid analog        $225
Roland AXIS    silver, new battery                     $400

S/W, computer H/W

Cakewalk       4.0E, orig disk, doc                    $ 70
CMS-401-II     midi interface, dual in/out (32ch)      $ 70
GenEdit        1.1, Atari, universal editor            $ 50
MT Pro         2.1, Atari, sequencer                   $ 50


Gary C, 1-800-677-8549

Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.synth:187 rec.music.synth:18570 alt.emusic:392
From: Jon.H.Appleton@dartmouth.edu (Jon H. Appleton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth,alt.emusic
Subject: GRADUATE STUDY - DARTMOUTH COLLEGE
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:30:18 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Dartmouth College offers a two-year program leading to a Master of Arts
degree in electro-acoustic music. The program combines study in music,
computer science, engineering and music cognition. Three students are
admitted each year with full tuition scholarship and stipendiary
support.  Faculty includes Jon Appleton (Director), Larry Polansky,
Kathryn Alexander, Jamshed Bharucha (Psychology) and Michael Sturge
(Physics).  Seminars include (1) Influence of technology on the roles
of musicians and musical institutions in the 20th century, (2) survey
and analysis of the repertoire of electro-acoustic music, (3) analysis
of musical systems, (4) analysis, synthesis and perception of timbre
and (5) composition of computer music.  Facilities include most
commonly used digital music systems (Synclavier, Digidesign, NeXT,
MIDI, etc.).  Admission based on bachelor's degree in one of the
following: music, physics, computer science or engineering. Ability to
play a musical instrument is expected. Questions regarding the program
should be sent to: jon.appleton@dartmouth.edu. For application
materials e-mail: sodhi@dartmouth.edu or write Graduate Program in
Electro-Acoustic Music, Hopkins Center, Dartmouth College, Hanover, New
Hampshire 03755.
From: rjt2@bnr.co.uk ()
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Yamaha TG100 vs Kawai K4r
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:28:36 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, UK
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rjt2@bnr.co.uk ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.3.128.59

I'm looking for a tone expander/keyboardless synth to use in conjunction with a
Yamaha electric piano. Both the K4r and TG100 are about the price limit I'm
looking at (300 UK pounds). The K4r looks generally a better beast, although
the lack of reverb could be limiting.

1. Does anyone have any practical experience or other useful information to help
   me make a comparison (other than going to listen to them of course)?

2. Is the K4r actually discontinued now?

Thanks in advance,

Richard Thomas
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: john@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (John Radley)
Subject: Ensoniq ASR10 Info Wanted
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:40:05 GMT
Organization: the HP UK Response Centre
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

[ Article crossposted from rec.music.synth ]
[ Author was John Radley ]
[ Posted on Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:37:15 GMT ]


I'm posting this for a friend.
Please send replies to his e-mail address.  

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hi,

I'm shopping for a new sampler and was considering the Akai S1000 until I 
heard about the new Ensoniq ASR10. All I know about it are the basic specs,
what I really need to know is what is it like to use? Are there any obvious
features omitted in the software? How does it compare in features/ease of 
use with the Akai S1000. I have heard that the keyboards Ensoniq puts on 
their products are sometimes unreliable, has anyone had any problems with 
their Ensoniq?

P.S. - Please send any correspondance to: alexand@cs.rhbnc.ac.uk

Thanks,

Alex
From: ecc_foley@ecc.tased.edu.au (Rodney Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: C-Lab out of Business ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:21:54 +1000

This was posted to comp.sys.atari.st:

> From Z*Net 92-17 w/o permission:

> C-LAB FOLDS, EMAGIC TAKES OVER
> Internal company unrest and division has brought C-Lab, developers and
> manufacturers of the most successful Atari MIDI sequencing programs,
> Creator and Notator, to an end.  C-Lab products will be taken over by a
> new company formed by Ensoniq, the US distributors of C-Lab as well as a
> line of electronic hardware for the music industry.  EMAGIC will
> maintain support and development of the Atari platform, and includes
> some of the same people who were C-Lab.  Notator 3.1 was recently hailed
> in Keyboard magazine as the best MIDI sequencing program available for
> any computer.  Announcements from Ensoniq about Emagic include news of
> "Notator Logic" for the Macintosh, to be released before the end of
> 1992.  Emagic joins Steinberg/Jones and Barefoot Software as the major
> remaining MIDI developers for Atari computers.  Barefoot formed from the
> Hybrid Arts takeover this summer, and Dr. T's stopped developing for the
> Atari in 1992.  Contact Emagic through Ensoniq Corp, attention David
> Netting, 155 Great Valley Parkway, Malvern, CT  19355, 213-647-3930,
> extension 297.


Anybody know anything about this or how it will affect people outside the US.


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From: ipc@otter.hpl.hp.com (Ian Crighton)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:07:36 GMT
Subject: Re: KORG M1 mailing list????
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth

In rec.music.makers.synth, kocherp@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Carl Kocher) writes:

> There have been enough "me too's" to this request with no mention of
> a mailing list that perhaps we should start one?

At the risk of burning up even more net.bandwidth, if anyone out there
really is going to start an M1 mailing list then I'd like to be on it
too.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: =5= The Last of the Usenet Winter Olympics
Keywords: Usenet Winter Olympics coverage -- exclusively on USPN!
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:44:29 GMT

forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Scott Forbes) writes:

>    \\
>   ////     The Usenet Sports Programming Network presents...
>  (____)
>   \  /
>    ||
>    ||

                ****************************
                ****** Large APPLAUSE ******
                ****************************


(boy, you *must* have had a good time... At least _I_ had :)


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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cs401005@scs.carleton.ca (jeff brinskelle)
Subject: WANTED: Yamaha SPX-90 (I or II)
Keywords: midi,software,hardware
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:44:23 GMT

	I am looking for a used YAMAHA SPX-90 either # I or # II.
Send price to:

cs401005@turing.scs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Subject: Re: Would you ALL like a demonstration? (was Re: Dave Hayes may be right)
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:00:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.130350.12577@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
> How would you like me to post one article per day to the top 100 groups
> in each newsgroup, inviting everyone over to news.groups with a subject
> line like "DANGER! YOUR group may go away."? 

Do it.  I can't see what point you're making, or why anyone would care.

ian
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From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA

hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
>>To say that RFDs and CFVs should obviously stand out as important
>>in a acronym-full group like rec.music.synth (typical subject line: "Does a
>>JX8P have a DCF or a VCF?") is NOT a solid argument.
>There has been one counter-argument that I have accepted as valid.
>It is up to the parties for or against to do any campaigning to
>drum up more interest and/or votes from their constuancies (sp?).

I cannot buy this in the case of a newsgroup where no one is real "up"
on current news.groups procedures. People on usenet aren't necessarily
aware that they CAN do this, if they were in the general case then I 
would agree with your counter-argument. 

>The issue WAS posted to the group.  That is sufficient (minimal, but
>sufficient).  Any greater efforts should come from the partisans.

The issue wasn't posted in a clear way. Even if it was, perhaps there weren't
any r.m.s readers who opposed the change that knew (from the text of the CFV)
enough procedure to think to campaign. Again, if people were aware in
the general case I could see this line of reasoning as valid.

>Unfortunately I don't recall the name of the guy that has been kicking
>up all the fuss, or I would address that previous remark at him.  

That'd be me. 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

   If your own vice happens to be the search for virtue,
                                  recognize that it is so.
From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: SY-22/TG-33/SY-35 patch editor software? (PC)
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:05:10 GMT
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.


	Anyone know of such a beast?  If so, where can it be found?

	TIA.


Mitch Gorman		srscnslt@telesciences.com		slave@work
			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

"Stand, on hills of long forgotten yesterdays..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: What synths are comparable to an M-1?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:19:47 GMT

The Kawai K1 and K1 II are grittier sounding. The K4 is cleaner (better
DACs) but it is a budget M1. You get what you pay for ! And don't forget
that the M1 has a sequencer built-in, while the K4 doesn't.

The K4 has a fixed number of waveforms built in. You cannot add new
waveforms. The M1 does take waveform cartridges and there are tons
available from Korg and from 3rd parties. For the money, the K4 is
good (I own a K4R) but it is not an M1. The M1 has better samples,
is expandable is very well supported. There are all kinds of enhancements
you can buy for the M1 as well that allow you to expand the sequencer
memory, download samples (and use them in patches), etc..
The M1 is much more verstaile in this respect.

I would suggest that if you are buying a first keyboard, you are 
better off with the M1 because of its expandability. 

Other keyboards to consider in the same league as the M1 are the
Yamaha SY77, Peavey DPM3, and possibly some of the Ensoniq SQ
keyboards (don't know much about the Ensoniqs). The Yamaha SY55,
is also worthy of consideration.
From: spatel@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (S Patel)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:19:28 GMT
Subject: FOR SALE: Mixers, Sequencer for PCs
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth

I need to upgrade my equipment, so I have following for sale:


	- KORG 12 channel line mixer 
	  
		Model KMX-122.
		3 Effects Loops.
		mint condition. 

		Asking : $250/b.o. (plus  shipping)


	- Boss  4 channel mixer

		line/mic inputs

		Asking : $100/b.o. (plus  shipping)


	- IBM PC version of Trax (ver 2.17), with complete
	  documentation. Great for starters.
		
		Asking : $120/b.o. (includes shipping)


Please e-mail/call me.

Shailesh
spatel@hpclbis.cup.hp.com
408/447-6776
From: zonnevel@dutiws.tudelft.nl (622622)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Wanted: Patch-editor for EVS-1
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:39:50 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology,The Netherlands

Well, it's fairly simple. I bought a PC recently and had an editor for my old
atari st. Now I want an editor for my pc, anyone got it or know some info?

Please mail me!

Later! BJZ
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: request info on SY77 and K5
Summary: request info on SY77 and K5 please please please
Keywords: K5 SY77 sound synth 
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:58:08 GMT

I have got this great deal for a K5 (around $250) and I am aware of its
programming potential, but I was wondering how it REALLY sounded. Its
quite large and would take up alot of space, but for 250 its a great deal
(I think).  

Also, I am thinking about the SY77 (or even better, the TG77) and I am
wondering about its rpgoramming potential, and how it really sounded as
well.  I have not heard the SY77 yet, but have read the Keyboard review. 
It seems to have a fair bit of programming potential, but the ears of
other synthesists are the best judges.

Please E-mail me any opinions, doubts, reservations, questions, statments,
outbursts, quotes, etc.......


thanks,


R. Martin
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson)
Subject: Re: What synths are comparable to an M-1?
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:51:30 GMT

In article <BxxnB7.8GJ@unix.amherst.edu>, ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson) writes:
|> In terms of affordable workstations,
|> your best bet is probably going to be a K4 (cheap, programmable, but no 
|> sequencer and no expandability) or an Ensoniq SQ-1 (more expensive, nice 
|> onboard samples, moderate programmability, not much expandability).  The M1?
|> My recommendation--having owned an M3R--is that you'll get very bored of the
|> sounds very quickly, and short of dropping in new RAM cards, you can't really
|> modify them all that much.
|> 

Is there a rackmount version of the K4? I've been thinking of eventually 
getting the M3R to run behind my DX7-II. What other rack-mount tone generators
can give me a good piano sound, as well as reverb/chorus etc? For me, a good
set of accoustic piano sounds is way important, other synthy patches are an
extra. Drum patches are crucial too, so I can graduate from my TR-505.
I'm not looking to spend great gobs, so let's pretend the M3R is my price
benchmark.

Thanks.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI
From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:00:46 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <1992Nov9.195400.11496@nmt.edu>, dave@cyborg1.nmt.edu (Dave Cuddihy) writes:
>	I figure this would be a good place to ask:
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good technical reference for MIDI? i.e.
>	a decent book(that's not about software packages on the Mac but gives
>	info about the actual MIDI protocol!), or maybe an FTP-site with MIDI
>	info?
>

The MIDI spec should be at 

xcf.berkeley.edu in misc/netjam/doc/midi is general_midi (the spec.)

Bob
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers.synth:206 rec.music.synth:18624 misc.forsale:31461 ne.forsale:5104
From: dnibby@asylum.UUCP (Dana Nibby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: FOR SALE: boss DR 660 drum machine
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:32:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.synth
Organization: Epilogue Technology Corp.

***************** FOR SALE ***********************

B o s s (made by Roland) D R - 6 6 0   D R U M  M A C H I N E

* 255 16-bit samples. Great for TECHNO, Jazz, rock, rap, etc.
  Has the complete samples from the TR-808 and TR-909 drum
  machines!!!!

* 7 pre-programmed drum kits. Space for creating an additional
     32 kits of your own!

* Has 16 velocity sensitive pads. Hit one button and you have 16
  more pads to use. Each drum kit consists of 32 samples!

* Has 100 preset rhythms w/room for an extra 150 rhythms

* Stack sounds

* Has its own effects built in: reverb, chorus, delay, flange

* MIDI in/out. Two stereo outputs (L&R) plus two more 1/4 jacks
  to send individual samples to (for better EQ in the studio)
  . Also has headphone jack. (1/8)

* Stores 100 songs. You can chain songs together to be played
  in whatever sequence you want. (good for live use)

* Stereo panning of each sample, pitch, decay, level, mono/poly
 

$340 plus shipping. (shipping is approx. $6 in the U.S.A.)

**** Less than 2 months old! In brand-new condition.
I'm selling it to pay the bills.

   Dana

  D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU      dmn@kepler.unh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups,rec.music.synth
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: Dave Hayes may be right (was Re: To keep the r.m.s rename...)
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:37:27 GMT

hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
>Attempting to rewrite anything without objective criteria would seem
>to me to be an excercise in futility....

Not really. Just look at any lawbook. 

>It's a hell of a lot harder than just bitching about the way things
>are, isn't it?

Yes and no. The complaints should spark some interest in developing 
whatever it is that people need to spark some change.
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

     He who has made a door and a lock, has also made a key.