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From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: Clipping nails
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:03:10 GMT

If you have someone else to help you, it is usually easier to let that
person do the restraining and you can do the clipping (or vice-versa).
It is also easier to keep a stuggling dog (relatively) still if you try
to get them lying on their side, on the floor or a work bench if you have one.
The person who is doing the holding should be behind the dog, so that the 
person is facing the dog's back, and the dogs legs are going away from the
person.  In other words, the dog is on it's side, and the restrainer is
sitting or standing(if the dog is on a table) so that the dog's feet
are the farthest away, and the dogs back is the closest.  (This is hard to
describe without pictures!!)  Then, whichever arm of the person is closest
to the head of the dog will be used to do most of the holding, and the other 
arm can grab the back legs.  Ok, just so its a little easier for me to explain
this, I'll assume the dog is lying on it's LEFT side, so that the handler will
use her LEFT arm as the "head" arm, and her RIGHT arm as the "hind leg" arm.
The dog has his LEFT front and hind legs touching the floor, and the RIGHT
front and hind legs are "on top" and relativly free to move around.

What you want to do then, is have the holder/restrainer person bend her left
arm at the elbow, and grasp the dogs, LEFT foreleg, above the dog's knee.
Then, the handler should lay her arm below the elbow across the dog's neck,
while still holding the dog's foreleg.  Then, use the RIGHT hand to either grab
the dog's left hind leg, or right hind leg, or if the dog isnt kicking, the
right hand can be used to steady whatever leg the clipper person is working on.
The handler needs to LEAN her weight on the arm across the dogs neck.  This 
doesnt hurt the dog, and it uses leverage so that the dog cannot get up.  It's
pretty valuable to know how to do this, because it comes in handy if you ever 
need to do bandage changes or have an uncooperative pet when you need to clean
ears, or brush teeth, or whatever.

This is a lot easier on the restrainer person if the dog can be on a table or
workbench or something, but can be done almost as easily with the dog on the
floor.  I have to do this with my own dog when I clip his nails because 
although he doesnt mind me playing with his feet, having them held still
really upsets him.  Oh, and also my other dog (who lives with my parents)
always needed to be lying down when I trimmed her nails because she couldn't 
keep her balance standing on 3 legs when I tried to clip them standing.  
Once most dogs realize that they can't get up, they settle down and stop
struggling.  If your dog gets really traumnatized at having nails trimmed
then only do one foot at a time at first.  

I hope you could understand what I was trying to explain here, it is
really really really hard to describe something like this without being
able to demonstrate!!
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Names and numbers for ANY breed Rescue Groups
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:08:03 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I am now working full time for the Mississippi Animal Rescue League
while I am searching for a full time position in my field (Computer
Systems Analysis and Design).  I am trying to compose a listing of
Rescue Groups for every breed I can, but these groups HAVE to be 
absolutely a Spay/Neuter group, or my organization will not recommend
them to anyone.  I would prefer contacts as close to Mississippi
as possible.  I know that Mike was compiling a list, but it se4ems that
I rememebr not long ago someone else posting about a list they 
already had?  I would appreciate it if you could send me a file.
Pleawe write me and let me know if it is a gigantic file, so I can
make sure my mailer can handle it?

More of a need is a name and number for an Airedale Rescue Group, as
close to Mississippi as possible.  We have a woman who has been
ordered to bed by her doctor and they feel they are not going to have
enough time for their 14 month old Airedale.  They also have a 2 year old
in addition to the baby they are expecting.  She did nto want to bring 
him to the shelter, but we cannot take names and call them when there
are requests for Airedales.  

Thanks y'all!

Suzanne and Min
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dogs and mortgages
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:47:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Whippany, NJ

In article <1993Jan21.160250.14068@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:

>A long time ago, my wife and I agreed that we
>would not get a dog until we had a mortgage -- because it's
>harder to get an apartment, it's not fair to the dog not to have
>a yard, etc., etc.  However, since we were both raised with
>dogs, it's getting harder and harder to resist, esp. with those
>RCA ads on tv. 
 
>What is the consensus around here? Is it wise to get a dog while
>living in someplace you do not own?

Well, I don't know if it's wise or not, but I do believe it's possible
to be a responsible dog owner and have a healthy, happy, well-adjusted
dog in a rental house or apartment.  Assuming you have a cooperative
landlord, renting a house isn't much different (from the dog's point
of view) from owning one.  Of course, you need to be especially careful
to prevent your dog from causing any problems...In an apartment, it's
a little harder, but still feasible.  You'll need to make the commitment
to ensuring your dog gets adequate exercise, which may involve a lot
of on-leash time instead of playing fetch in your own fenced-in yard.
And you should be very careful to clean up after your dog - immediately.
One of the things I'm enjoying about owning a house is that, if my dogs
need to go out in the middle of the night, I can put off cleaning up
their mess until the morning.  Guaranteed, when we were in an apartment,
the first time I did that, someone would have raised a ruckus.

One other thing to consider is that getting a dog is a long-term commitment.
If an apartment complex starts becoming an undesirable place to live, (as
ours did) you may not be able to move quickly.  It's hard to find rentals
that allow dogs, so you might have to take something less than ideal.  And
there's no guarantee that your landlord won't change his/her mind in the
future, so it's a good idea to have some kind of contingency plan.  If it
came down to it, is there someone who would care for your dog till you could
find a new place to live?

Of course, there's no guarantee that a homeowner won't suddenly be homeless,
either...All we can do is make a commitment to doing the best we can for
our dogs.  If you're aware of what this involves, and willing to make that
commitment, I would say you're wiser than a number of dog owners I've seen.

Roberta
...and the DoberPuppies, apartment dwellers for 4 years...
From: kozowski@ohsu.edu (Eric Kozowski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Akitas and children and other questions
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:36:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Jan22.193619.14304
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

I have a couple of questions for you Akita owners out there.  I have pretty  
much made up my mind that I want an Akita.  My only question/worry is their  
interaction with children.  Our first child is due very shortly and before I  
get an Akita I want to make sure that they are suitable around children.  I  
will probably wait until that baby is 4-6 month old before we get the dog.   
Should I wait longer?  Or should I get the dog sooner?

Also, how are Akitas for protection?  My wife likes the idea of having a large  
dog to take with her on walks (or is it the dog taking my wife for a walk? :-)  
).  Any other things I should know about Akitas before I get one?

--
Eric Kozowski                | System/Network Administrator
kozowski@ohsu.edu            | Oregon Health Sciences University
                             | 840 SW Gaines Rd GH113
503/494-4537                 | Portland, Oregon 97201
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 09:36:03 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <2B677688.23014@ics.uci.edu>
   tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
 
>
>In <1993Jan28.015400.20402@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>
>>I have no problem with anyone, including those you term 'reputable
>>breeders', adding to the supply, for any reason they like, as soon as
>>demand catches up.
>Second, the demand is not necessarily for *dogs* but for
>*puppies*.  It seems to me that if we stop producing puppies at all
>we'd have a huge, unsatisfied demand for puppies which would guarantee
>a black market in puppies and a corresponding decline in quality (what
>black-marketer would worry about bloodlines and suitability and
>temperament -- especially if the demand is very high and profit is to
>be had by over breeding (you think it's bad now!).
 
There is another problem with Jon's argument which I believe no one
has mentioned thus far.  He is saying the supply exceeds the demand
for ALL types of dogs.  This is simply untrue.  For quality, well-bred
dogs the demand exceeds the supply in many cases.  If what I say were
not true, then please explain to me why almost every breeder in my
area of quality, field working Labs has a waiting list of buyers?  This
ONLY happens when demand is exceeding the supply.  Where supply is
exceeding demand is in mutts, and what I refer to as "breed-trash"
(ie. a pure bred dog that has nothing more than it's parents name in
it's pedigree).  But breed-trash is NOT a quality dog, nor is it
capable of producing quality puppies.
 
 
>Of course, practically speaking, you'd never get this to happen.  And
>I approve of all efforts to maximize the number of neutered dogs.  But
>talking about neutering (or stopping breeding of; amounts to the same
>thing) ALL dogs just won't work, even if it could be done.
>
>--Cindy
 
Agreed.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-8300 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:11:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: ics.2B65B72B.1700
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <1993Jan26.154736.2208@inel.gov> kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.143349.8857@lth.se> dag@seldon.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>>PS: Please help me to find the correct word.  "Spay" relates to
>>bithes and "neuter" to dogs; what is the sex-neutral word?  I have
>>used "castration" which is the Swedish word used (translated, of
>>course).

>I've always heard the term "fixed" applied generically.  I don't
>think castration is correct for females, but I could be wrong.

You spay females and you castrate males.
Neuter is the sex-neutral term, but is often used instead of castrate.
"Fix" is a colloquialism that is also sex-neutral.

--Cindy
--
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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Melissa post
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:20:48 GMT

Hello, it is me again.  I am posting for Missi in Seattle again
but this time I have nothing to do with the content.  She sent it
to me in its whole form and I am just copying it over:
__________________________________________________________________
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From: Melissa Schilling <missi@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Your posting on the net.. (fwd)
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Hi mike!  I tried to email this person, but her address didn't work--it's
a response to something she put in the newsgroup--is there any chance you
would be able to post it for me?  (I still don't know how to post)  If you
can, thanks!



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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:42:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Melissa Schilling <missi@u.washington.edu>
To: jkl@fsl.noaa.gov
Subject: Your posting on the net..

I found it amusing to read your problems with bringing a dog from Seattle
to Boulder as I am currently dealing with problems from bringing my
boulderite dogs to our new home in Seattle!  (the wet muddy climate here
makes them constantly smelly and dirty so they cant come in all the time,
and they have FLEAS here--something which we Boulderites are
extraordinarily lucky not to have!)  Anyway, about the feet, I've heard
that boots aren't really a good long term solution because the dog needs
the traction of his pads and claws, especially in the snow.  Plus if he
doesn't run around barefooted, you'll have to start clipping his toenails.
 I can see why the dog's feet would be poorly adjusted though, the ground
here is so wet and soft and squishy, my dogs delight in digging in it! 
(They NEVER dug in Boulder!)  I imagine her feet will get used to it soon
enough.

Also, about the diahhrea, any of the things you mentioned could have given
it to her.  My dog gets diahhrea just from getting overexcited!  Our vet
gave me an easy home remedy for when my dog gets diahhrea which is not
likely due to any illness or worms--He told me to give him pepto bismol! 
It was funny at first--doggie squirmed and ended up with a bright pink
face, but his diahhrea cleared right up and he seemed happy as ever!  I'm
not recommending you don't have your dog looked at if she's sick, but if
it's likely from the change in food and stress of a new environment, pepto
does the trick.....Anyway, Just my 2c worth!    Good Luck!  Missi


-- 
| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Akita, Bouvier, GSD, Bullmastiff, Rottweiler: Health and Temperament
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-20849]: diana
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:28:01 GMT

David F. Austin <David_Austin@ncsu.edu> writes:

>I'm writing up some research I did on dogs and home/nbhd
>protection and still need current information about the
>health and temperament problems that one needs to look
>out for in these breeds:

>        Akitas
>        Bouvier des Flandres
>        German Shepherd Dogs
>        Bullmastiffs
>        Rottweilers.

Akitas can be hard to train and sometimes even mean.  Otherwise they
are intellegent and protective (though stubborn-intellegent, not
trainable-intellegent).

GSD's are probably the most versatile working dog in the world.  They
are also naturally trainable and protective.  They shed A LOT.
In addition to HD, they have some other hip problem resulting
from over-angulation for the show ring.

Rottweilers are my breed.  They can be hardheaded and require more
motivational training that is still very firm.  Recently they have
beed drastically overbred, so good ones are hard to find and differ
a lot from bad ones.

>I'll also consult veterinary texts and journals, but I'd like to
>hear from  readers of this group, especially those who have
> experience with more than a few representatives of these breeds.

Also consult *vetranarians* themselves.  They are not hooked on any
one breed and they see a lot of them.

Beware HD statistics, because most of them come from the OFA.  If a dog
is severly dysplastic, the vet will spot it and there is no need to 
OFA the dog.

Also, some breeds (i.e. Rotties) have a lot of poorly bred dogs, which
inflates the HD statistics well over the incidence among well-bred
dogs.  Do not listen to anyone who says they "never have any problems" 
with HD, so don't OFA, etc.  Require to see the actual OFA certification
for both parents, and other relatives if available.

Damon
-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: what breeds created Ridgebacks?
	<H.eg.A9p9p98UAM_@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
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In <H.eg.A9p9p98UAM_@harvee.billerica.ma.us>, S. Mudgett aka little gator writes:

> specified).  the canadian kennel club book of dogs adds poinet and collie to
                                                          ^^^^^^
                                                         pointer


sorry about the typo.

                    
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: Daniel.F.Krawiec@dartmouth.edu (Daniel F. Krawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: English Setters
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:42:26 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Does anyone know the life expectancy of an English Setter?  Also, are
show setters really less intelligent than field setters?

dk
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: Re: Veggie eating pup
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:53:19 GMT


In article <1993Jan20.202948.5839@novell.com>, mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.181511.16461@umr.edu> S105718@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
|> >   I have the most wonderful little mixed breed pup but I'm beginning to
|> >wonder if she isn't a bit odd.  Keesu is a Keeshond and Shih-Tzu cross and
|> >she is 9 months old.  She loves raw carrots, raw potatoes, olives, pickles,
|> >apples, peas, corn, beans, and many other vegetables that I can't think of
|> >Thanks,   Sabrina and Keesu
|> 
|> Sabrina.....
|> 
|> Keesu isn't weird......
|> 
|> My kids (Shelties Mindy & Ivan) eat:
|> 
|> Bananas
|> Broccoli
|> Grapes (if you smush them)
|> Oranges
|> Apple Sauce
|> PEANUT BUTTER food of the dog Gods........
|> Etc.......
|> 
Just to add to the list...Mr. McDuff also *loves*
  carrots
  potato(e)s
  Zuchinni
  Celery (more fun to *play* with than actually eat!)
  Apples (no seeds!)
  Raspberries (rates even higher than Peanut Butter!)
  Strawberries
to name just a few.


-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lizalee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza L Miller)
Subject: Re: Bay Area Dog Shows?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:46:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.171250.24731@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> patin@awdpa.ibm.com (Michele-Daniele) writes:

>Okay, I changed the distribution of my followup to ba; my apologies if
>this reaches the whole world, anyway.
>
>Rick's note got me to thinking.  If there is a good-sized local show
>coming up, I'd love to have a chance to meet some of you local
>rec.pets.dogs people.  If there's interest, I'd happily arrange a
>picnic or dinner at or near the show site.  Or maybe a carpool to and
>from the show would be fun.  I work in Mountain View and live in Palo
>Alto, for a geographic reference point.  If you're interested, send
>me e-mail.  You could post your reply, but my newsfeed is sometimes 
>somewhat sporadic.  At any rate, if you reply, but don't hear from
>me within three or four days, it probably means I didn't receive your
>reply.

	I am going to be at the Cow Palace show coming up Feb 5/6 at
the Cow Palace (er!) in South San Francisco.  I can be found on the
Labrador Retriever Bench in the South Hall.  I'll be sitting with the
GGLRC (Golden Gate Labrador Retriever Club) and I'll have my little
girl, Rosie with me.  Any local rpders are more than welcome to stop
by and say hi!

-=llm.

>Cheers,
>Michele Patin                      IBM/TCPIP: patin@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
>IBM                                INTERNET:  patin@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
>Personal Systems Multimedia        VNET:      PATIN at ALMADEN
>The above are my personal opinions, and in no way represent IBM.


-- 
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@leland.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
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From: cicarell@spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Subject: Re: howling labs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:18:26 GMT

     
     

I was visiting the zoo in Seattle,WA to see the wolves, and as a fire
truck came by, siren wailing, all five of them took up the song.  It
was beautiful.                                     

Colleen Cicarelli, and no dogs yet, can't wait!! :)
From: libman@hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Picture perfect
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:31:23 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

In article <2B66E788.27878@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu sez:
>In <1993Jan27.180905.14328@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Be
>>I got the most wonderful dog calendar that I've ever seen.  It's a page-a-day
>>calendar with pictures that people have sent in.  It's great because I feel
>>like I am looking through someone's photo album.  There are some show shots
>>but mostly it's happy dogs looking out of car windows.  There are some staged
>>shots--a basset with glasses on it.  Buth they really have a home photo album
>>feel.
>
>Betsy beat me to it -- I got this same calendar for Christmas and have
>been enjoying it.  There are a lot of pictures of dogs you don't always
>see, too: this month alone there were three chocolate labs (boy, that
>can't go wrong with me, eh??? ;-), a chesapeake bay retriever, bloodhounds,

Yeah, I got it too -- primarily because it promised dachshunds.  So far,
I have not been able to find any.  :^(     However, the rest of the pictures
along with anecdotes and doggie trivia are quite amusing.  I recommend the
calendar, and hope that next year they keep their promise and put
dachshunds in it.

			--Marlena



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