HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence"
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:32:16 GMT

In article <97798@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
  .....

   In article <rabjab.2.718397433@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff
   Bytof) writes:

>  >I just saw the video of Solaris, Tarkovsky's adaptation for the
>  >screen of the Stanislaw Lem novel.  I enjoyed it.  However,
>  >I am mystified by the length of the "freeway sequence" in the first
>  >half of the film.  What point was Tarkovsky trying to make by 
>  >lingering on images of cars zooming along a Japanese freeway?

>  This is the only Tarkovsky movie that I do not like because it completely
>  distorts Lem's original work. 

>  Lem was mad as hell at Tarkovsky for making that movie and would have
>  definitely stopped the production if he could.

Interesting. I like this movie for various reasons, but one of them is
that it "completely distorts Lem's original work". - It is so much
better! Of corse Lem was mad! He realised what he could have written
and didn't!
From: cema@eng.umd.edu (Simon Hawkin)
Subject: Re: If you don't like it here.....
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:44:44 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <84600009@glas.apc.org> Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:
>
>We are too undisciplined in America. Weare absolutely great at
>anything that requires no discipline, like reading, making
>slasher movies,  computer hacking, etc. But our economy is
>going to die from the lack of an adequately skilled work force
>if we cannot somehow make an adjustment in our attitudes towards
>"nerdy, boring" subjects like math and science, which require
>a certain amount of totalitarian attitude to teach and to learn.

Our (Soviet) economy _has_ died. The people who are trying to revive it
either have nothing to do with "math and science" or, moreover,
left the science for "Russian business" which also has little to do with
business. Still we cannot complain about lack of totalitarian
attitude to teaching, learning, as well as working etc.

Are you sure you know the real reason ?

---
This is Simon Hawkin from Merry Land --> Cema@Cs.UMD.edu
-- 
---
This is Simon Hawkin from Merry Land.
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sexual confession (following Dm. L.)
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:32:33 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

Or did you mean a Vietnamese pig, the one that goes for 5K in the pet stores?

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    //// shimkevich@A1.tch.harvard.edu //
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Culture?...
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:01:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw8FqF.5AI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Let us stop treating culture as a small parcel to be carried from hand to
hand.  It is not a small package that was skillfully designed by Peter the 
Great.  It is more like a collection plate, where everyone contributes.
Russian culture has accumulated in it contribution of many ethnic groups
that lived on the territory of Russia, jews including. 

Now, a cultural joke:

In WC in Moscow, an American and Russian were using urinals. After finishing
his business, American zipped his pants and walked out. Few minutes later,
Russian caught up with him to ask why American did not wash his hands. American`
replied, "I did not pee on them."

Now, another culturar joke:

Na kontserte klasicheskoi muzyiki, v 5-tom ryadu, Vovochka povernulsya k 
sosedu s pravo i sprosil, "Eto tye skozal kh..nya."  "Da vye chto molodoy
chelovek, ya takie slova ne ispol'zuyu", skozal sosed s prava. Vovochka
povernulsya k sosedu s leva i zadal tot zhe vopros, "Eto tye skozal kh..nya."
Sosed s leva tozhe vozmutilsya, "Molodoy chelovek, kak vam nekrasivo. Vyi zhe
vsetaki na kontserte clasicheskoi muziki."  Togda Vovochka podumal procebya,
"Vidno muzyika naveyala."

---Garik the cultureful.

ps. Does anyone know the best way to translate "naveyala" in the second joke.
.
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Chauvinism....
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:31:26 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I don't understand why in this time and age, a man still expects a woman
to be this-and-that.  Why some men inslave women to fulfill their fantasies?
For some, a woman must play a role of a princes in need of rescue, where a
man is a great prince/husband who will rescue/support her. For others, a
woman must play a role of goddess/saint, and man is the worshipper doing
everything for his saintess, but nevertheless expecting her to be as devine
as possible.

Dear Sirs, instead of talking about what women should be, seek psychological
help.  Instead of saying that there is no sexism in Russia, go back to your
childhood, and try to remember what were responsibilities of your parents.
Try to remember who was suppose to work everyday, take care of children, and
cook food, and who came home after work to read newspaper and watch TV.

For those who have a sense of humor:

Joke 1:  A woman had a sex change operation, and her old friend came to visit
her.
Friend: So how was the operation?
Woman: Just fine, almost no pain.
F: No pain. Through that whole sex-changing operation there was no pain?
W: Well, there was some pain, when they started to push my brains below
  my waste.  :-)


Joke 2: A man had a sex change operation, and his old friend came to visit
him.
Friend: So how was the operation?
Woman: Just fine, almost no pain.
F: No pain. Through that whole sex-changing operation there was no pain?
W: Well, there was some pain, when they had to make my mouth bigger and 
  my brain smaller.   :-0

-----Garik the flameless.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by fascist group (UPI)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:58:33 GMT
	<1992Oct13.190035.16831@watson.ibm.com>

In article <1992Oct13.190035.16831@watson.ibm.com>, bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>Reprinted without permission from 
>article <russia-fascistsU2OD1145ae@clarinet.com>
>>	MOSCOW (UPI) -- Blackshirted extreme Russian nationalists burst into
>>the offices of a leading Moscow daily Tuesday, read out an ultimatum to
>>the staff and threatened physical violence unless their demands were
>>met.
>>	Twenty-five jack-booted members of the extreme right-wing movement
>>Pamyat interrupted an editorial planning meeting at the popular daily 
>>``Moskovsky Komsomolets,'' and announced the newspaper's days were
>>numbered, staff members said.
>>	The blackshirts demanded that the paper name authors of articles
>>critical of Pamyat and threatened physical violence against the paper's
>>staff if their demands were not carried out within three days.
>>	``They said, 'Our cup of patience has overflowed, and we can no
>>longer tolerate the existence of this Jewish-Masonic newspaper,''' said
>>Moskovsky Komsomolets deputy editor Natalya Yefimova.
>>	One of Russia's best-loved papers, the former Communist Youth daily
>>is famous for its democratic, populist and often risque tone and its
>>strong stand against right-wing organizations, which are becoming
>>increasingly active as Russia moves painfully toward a market economy
>>and social discontent grows.
>>	Pamyat, one of Russia's most outspokenly fascist right-wing groups,
>>is a key target of the paper. But the movement has fought back, and
>>Tuesday's incident was only one in a long line of threats aimed to
>>silence the paper.
>>	Yefimova said she is troubled by Pamyat's increasingly high profile,
>>and the inadequate response of the police.
>>	``If 25 people can walk freely into your house and force you to
>>listen to their threats for 20 minutes then it's a bad sign for
>>democracy,'' she said.
>>	The Pamyat members took photographs of Moskovsky Komsomolets staff,
>>then left the building in cars waiting for them outside. Police arrived
>>on the scene 40 minutes after they were called.
>
>Compare with theaters, street fashions, ice-cream, flowers and petals from our 
>exclusive Moscow correspondent Patricia-Margaret.


  Yessss!!!


                                                             adam
From: burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: America that bad?
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:11:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <84600007@glas.apc.org> margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz) writes:

>So I find that Russian women seem to have fewer complexes and also
>"feminism" here seems to have a more human face. Not as much bitterness
>and heartless application of "political correctness" as in America.

  That made me remember one interesting situation. A couple of years ago,
a group of Russian feminists was meeting with a group of American feminists
somewhere here at UPenn. Two people I know were simultaneous interpreters for
that meeting. They both told me what happened there, so you can be sure it's
all true and really happened.
  At some point of the meeting, a question was asked by the American side
about rape in Russia; I'm not exactly sure how it was phrased, but it was
interpreted as "Kak u vas obstoyat dela s iznasilovaniyami?" After a moment of
thoughtful silence, one woman sighed and said: "Da uzh khot' by iznasiloval by
kto..."  No kidding!!! A Russian *feminist* (or at least she thought she was)
said that! What a long way they've come since "A u nas seksa net!"
  Well, folks, think whatever you like, but I have no comments on that one.
Except that I wonder if this is what "feminism with a human face" means.

With no prejudice toward women,
American, Russian or otherwise,

Alex Burshteyn
burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mashina <novost@halcyon.com>
Subject: translation
Originator: novost@halcyon.com
Keywords: ototsikl
Reply-To: novost@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:14:50 GMT

Can anyone tell me what the English translation of ototsikl is?

   Thanks in advance,
                Jeff
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:01:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.175107.7850@news.nd.edu>, Alexei.Strounine@nd.edu (Alexei Strounine) writes:
> In article <1ahs55INNg86@mizar.usc.edu> miwalker@mizar.usc.edu  
> (Michael Walker) writes:
> 
>     Yes, the practice of cheating during an exam is very common in  
> Russia, but the fact just shows the difference between Russian and  
> American education. 
>     Students in Russia are supposed to learn to THINK, not only to  
> MEMORIZE some recipes. Problems which are usually given to students  
> on an exam require some creativity, some original ideas, and cannot  
> be solved using one standard method or another. In this case,  
> cheating does not help much. 
>     When I studied at the university in Russia most of my professors  
> allowed us to use textbooks and notes during exams, but they also  
> gave as questions that were not so easy. Sometimes we were able to  
> take a break for a lunch.
>     

Some of this is getting really stereo-typed.

If your experience in the US is the Parsons College of Bargain
Discount Diploma forms, you might get a bad impression of American
education.

Believe it or not, most Universities here are quite rigorous.
Especially in areas of specialization.  In Freshman Calculus and
General Music you might get pretty shoddy performance.
My undergraduate math classes (e.g. topology) had many exams where
the material under examination was not that taught in the class,
but the logical
extensions of material taught in class, and open text books, library
books and journals were welcome in the exam.
In graduate school, highly structured
testing was not a major issue, since it was largely
independent research, and had to be original.

The general level of cultural education has declined in American
Universities in part due to the radical-left impact on curriculum
in the 1960's and early 70's.  As a result, academic standards in
certain areas were hurt.  At the best schools, though and in the
intense areas of specialization, top quality students are still
turned out.  In many areas, the US is at the cutting edge
of research, due mainly to Universities with excellent research
and education programs.  Computer science, medical research,
just to name two.

		Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'.
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Open Request to Mr. Belchinskiy
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:12:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>>-- 
>>Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
>
>too many fools for one day
>
>	-igor

Please specify what you mean: what day, what fools. Or I'll decide
that you just want to be the Eighth Pig.


-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 15:45:48 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct7211203@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>Go fuck yourself...

Go learn manners and then post something to the net.
Another politically correct wannabee, you're getting
boring. Brainwashing is brainwashing no matter what
color is it. I do not debate your right to make friends
of Ice-T and sister Sojulah, though.

--vadim
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Ice T - "Cop Killer"
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:57:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct10.025730.16223
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1b5od0INNap7@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.184248.16211@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>>discussed awhile on this board. I never heard
>>the music, but the lyrics is quite good, IMO.

>IMO, you get a strange taste, mAn.

>Yury

Jerks like you my dear will be first against the
wall when the revolution comes

misha
	Vo imya svobody lichnogo sluchaya my otmenyayem
	pravopisanie -- Kruchionykh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 13:39:34 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.
Followup-To: alt.flame

In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct8204004@husc10.harvard.edu> nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>On 8 Oct 1992 15:45:48 -0400, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) said:
>
>> In article <NIKOLAY.92Oct7211203@husc10.harvard.edu> 
>nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>>>Go fuck yourself...
>
>> Go learn manners and then post something to the net.
>> Another politically correct wannabee, you're getting
>> boring. Brainwashing is brainwashing no matter what
>> color is it. I do not debate your right to make friends
>> of Ice-T and sister Sojulah, though.
>
>> --vadim
>
>Ha, another well-mannered racist pukehead stung by
>the crude,disgusting methods of the ubiquitos masonic 
>PC Thought Police. Insulting gentle racist hearts 
>is my specialty. The term 'brainwashing' can't apply
>to you by definition.

Ok, you proved that you are a fool (though with pretensions). 
You proved that again.
Isn't it enough?

>Still feeling a little nostalgic, Vadim?

yes - in Russia fools usually know their place.

>Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu

	-igor

P.S.  followup to alt.flame
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Solaris - the "freeway sequence" and other stuff
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:13:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi, dyad'ki i tetki!

Jeff Bytof wrote something about the long Tokio sequences in Solaris...

>>I am mystified by the length of the "freeway sequence" in the first
>>half of the film.  What point was Tarkovsky trying to make by 
>>lingering on images of cars zooming along a Japanese freeway?

I always hated that part of the movie, too. I don't know why he put it
into Solaris. Perhaps because the "freewayization" of the Earth
scared him most of all things. He was afraid of technology. In one
of his interviews he confessed that he despiced science fiction.   

Then Sergey Shimkevich wrote...

>This is the only Tarkovsky movie that I do not like because it completely
>distorts Lem's original work. 
>
>Lem was mad as hell at Tarkovsky for making that movie and would have
>definitely stopped the production if he could.

And Strougatsky brothers wanted their names to be removed from The Stalker
titles. But, despite Tarkovsky's craziness, his SF movies are very
interesting to watch, though they really have nothing to do with
Lem or Strougatski bros. It is pure "tarkovstchina", Bradbury-like
technofobic, almost Dark Future stuff.

And what that asshole Sokurov made out of "Billion years before Doomsday"...
This guy pretends to be something like "Tarkovsky today". But he just
doesn't have the guts. He has fears and complexes, but no power or talent.
At the presentation of "Billion years before Doomsday" I threw an orange
at him. Wish it had been a 1000-ton concrete block.

-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Assholes, film directors, pigs & oranges.
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:04:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi everybody!

This is my final contribution to the stupid discussion about the
brain-damaged film director from Russia whom the boring and
ignorant people throughout the world call Sokurov or something
like this.

Igor Belchinskiy was Sokurov's champion on the net, and he courageously
fought against a lot of bad guys who tried to defile the sacred name etc.

The discussion was mostly fruitless, though it had some funny points.
I must admit that it is impossible to estimate the value of Sokurov
production in some absolute frame of reference - peoples' tastes may
vary. But still I fear that the fading glory of this director is much
akin to the beauty of the new king's garment in Andersen's tale.

With this I put all Sokurov-related topics in my kill-file.

"For never have I seen an axe so wielded."

 

 
-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: U.S. students poor performance in math/scienc
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:27:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1bdo79INNbju@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>In article <Oct.12.11.45.13.1992.7762@pilot.njin.net> macko@pilot.njin.net (Peter C. Macko) writes:

>>To think that they were 
>>spending billions of rubles trying to make their chips larger...

>They were trying to make them same. They came out bigger by themself.

  That only proves the superiority of Russian technology. If you had
 a slight thought about 'microchips' you'd understand that. Lemme tell
 you. Impurities in a silicon monocrystal (the base for most of 
 'microchips'- further in text- IC) do not allow to make ICs bigger.
 That's the reason why advanced companies go to 0.5-0.8 um technologies.
 They want to pack as many transistors on the same surface area as 
 possible. From the other hand they also try to minimize impurities
 and obtain bigger surface area. 

 If you're saying that a Russian 'microchip' is bigger than it proves
 that Russian monocrystals are better thus proving the superiority
 of Russian technology.

>Well, for Russian language impaired :), large microchip in Russian is
>VLSI. 

 For technically impaired - large microchip in Russian is LSI.

>Yury

  take it slow,
  S.B.
From: john@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CIS on Internet?
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:38:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Oct14.123841.1409
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <Bw1nEx.696@cs.columbia.edu>, ratner@cs.columbia.edu (Michael Ratner) writes:
> I think the time has come to shed some light on the issue of
> US - CIS communication through Internet.
> 
> The reason some people are able to connect to hosts in Russia and
> others aren't is that ANS (Advanced Network and Services), the company
> that runs NSFNET, does not allow SU-destined or SU-originated packets
> into NSFNET (ANSNET).  If your connection to the 'Big Internet' is
> through NSFNET (directly, or via a regional network) as is the case
> with most educational and research institutions in the US, then you
> cannot communicate with CIS.  On the other hand, if your network
> service provider is a member of CIX (Commercial Internet Exchange)
> such as, say, Alternet or PSI -- then you CAN communicate with CIS.
> There has been (or used to be) an explicit ban on exchanging network
> traffic with the Soviet Union, issued by the Federal Government (I
> think it was the Department of Commerce).  Alternet says the ban has
> recently been lifted and thus announced CIS networks to CIX.  ANS is
> still in the process of confirming the lifting of the ban; once it is
> confirmed, CIS will be announced to ANSNET and all the problems will
> go away :)
> 

How does Email make it through to CIS?


John@msus1.msus.edu
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Oh, da (P.S. I love you).
Summary: prizma & prizon - why are they so close?
Keywords: allergia turbopromyshlennost' shelkovye shtany
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:09:42 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

if you don't like boredom. hit "n" now.

		Turbotruporazvraschenie. (Oda P.S.)

				P.S., I don't love you. 
				  The soul of John Lennon, turning corpse.

	Tiho noch' na kladbischa 
	zemnye opustilas'.
	Listik ne shevelitsya
	ot nechistoi sily.
	
	Putniki ustalye
	zhizni vne zakona
	spyat, a s nimi shalaya
	dusha Johna Donna

	Spit. Ot odinochestva
	Bole ne sgoraya,
	Spit pechal'nyi Lermontov.
	V karavan-sarae

	Veselo Omar-Hayam spit,
	Obnyav butylki.
	Borhes v labirinte spit.
	Tician u milki.

Chorus (men, bas - optional):
		Tiho v lesu, tol'ko ne spit surok.
		Znaet surok, Kto ego zavtra zhdet.
	
	Vdrug v dalekom ugolke
	Kladbisha rodnogo
	Zakachalsya monument
	genya zemnogo.

	...................!
	Vnov' oshibsya Misha
	i pokoi ne zasluzhil!
	Vykisi-ka,  ......!

	Ty eshe osvobozhdat'
	dev mladyh obyazan
	ot kaliforniyskih dach,
	bedrennyh povyazok.

	Grosnyi rokot katitsya
	Po Rusi velikoi:
	- Boites', boites', uzh ne spat'
	Nam v pokoe tihom.

	Uzh Duma vorochaet
	Mramornuyu glybu,
	Lev Tolstoy vnov' korhitsya,
	vsdernutyi na dybu.

	Gogol stayu muzhikov
	Otognat' ne mozhet,
	Pasternak sovsem usoh,
	Pasternaka glozhet.

	.....................

	To MARGPATROSCHWARTSCZ idet,
	slov ne razbiraya.
	Day ei Bog vstretit' kota
	Martovskogo  - rane.

	Da prodlitsya ih lubov'!!!
	Da zastynet v zhilah krov'!!!!!


P.S. Moscow, Oct, 1992. Still going!
2 P.S. Keep going!!!