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From: bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Mac OS on PC
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:40:44 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

|> Microsoft has declared the war on Macs from the moment they released
|> Windows. Apple sued to no avail and Windows sales are skyrocketing. Now
|> they have released Windows for workgroups and Video for windows (A
|> quicktime competitor) Why doesn't Apple port the OS to the PC world?
|> I understand that it may hurt some of their hardware sales, but what
|> would hurt more, the MAC OS running on a PC or Windows machines?

I certainly do not agree with this line of thinking.

PC's and Macs are about as similar as cars and pickup trucks. Both
carry passengers and load, but they are not the same.

Macs have one underlying message: everything is compatible and easy
and good-looking.

PC clones have one underlying message: they get the job done for less
money.

Note the new messages for 1993:

Mac: we're getting cheaper

Clones: we're getting better looking

Consider the differences in the application program level:
	Mac				PC
	one hard disk standard		several hard disk standards
	one kind of video		many kinds of video
	few kinds of printer		many kinds of printer
	few kinds of network		many kinds of network
	one kind of sound		several kinds of sounds

In order for a Mac to truly compete in Clone land, you'd have to add
all this compatibility in the OS. Microsoft has been trying. It ain't
easy. 

I don't see any reason to conclude that Apple can do a better job than
Microsoft, nor do I see any reason to conclude that current Windows is
as good as it will get.

On the other hand, I don't see any reason to conclude that Windows
will get much easier any time soon, nor do I see any reason why Apple
can't underprice the clones. 

Recently, Macs have been getting cheaper, and clones have been getting
better-looking. Does this mean that one will eliminate the other? Do
"YO" mobiles (those cheapie pickup trucks) eliminate cars?

The answer in either case is NOPE.

Pretty soon, it's going to be an issue of personal preference. People
will buy they computers they like. And Apple can't help but benefit by
that.

And, by the way, Quicktime for Windows (an Apple product) is out to
developers NOW.

bill coderre
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: dvorak keymap needed
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:15:02 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <1992Dec31.222446.4948@athena.mit.edu> cam@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Cameron Daly) writes:
>A few months ago, when I decided to switch over to a dvorak keyboard, I made
>the mistake of not copying the keyboard file before dropping it into the
>control panel.  Yesterday I killed the System by mistake while figuring 
>out that my powerbook doesn't like the powerseep fkey, so I went looking
>for the keyboard again.  The only copy I could find, though, has the 
>left and right braces on one key, the =+ key in the wrong place and the
>}{ key in its place.  Does anyone have a copy of a dvorak keybord they
>could send, or knowledge of an ftp sight with one different than the one at
>sumex and nic.funet?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.  Please respond
>by email.
  BTW, does anybody knows if Dvorak keyboard is supported by internation system
  software ?. And if there's an Arabic Dvorak keyboard ?.
  Thanks.
>
>
>--
>Cam Daly                                Phone: (617) 225-7880
>22F1                                    Internet: cam@athena.mit.edu
>550 Memorial Dr                         "He who fights and runs away,
>Cambridge MA 02139                       lives to nuke the site from orbit"


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: sold@kit.uni-kl.de (Christoph Sold)
Subject: Re: Mac IIci Problems
Organization: Universitaet Kaiserslautern
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:03:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.013822.1738@bernina.ethz.ch>
 bruno@nariwork20.ethz.ch (Bruno Rechberger) writes:
>
>Recently we have upgraded our Mac IIci to 20MB RAM. Therefore we turned the
>32bit addressing on. After that PC Exchange crashed the Mac every time a 
>DOS disk was inserted. The funny thing is that PC Exchange works fine on a 
>IIfx (8MB RAM) with 32bit addr>ssing turned on. We also have similar 
>problems with some other programs (Task It, Talk, TurboGopher).
>
>Any ideas? Thanks for help!
>

Bruno,

at work I use a Mac IIci, 20MB RAM, 32bit addressing on (as needed to get 
more than 8MB RAM).
The machine works fine, no problems at all. It seems you've got some 
incompatible inits, applications or the like in your system. Try a clean 
install (trashing your old system folder), add one extension at a 
time; then reboot. This way you should be able to locate any incompatible 
init/cdev.

-Christoph
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                                    Mussbacher Landstr.2
sold@kit.uni-kl.de                  W-6730 Neustadt (Weinstrasse)
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"If an apple is fun, what the heck is an appletree?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: amunn@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Munn)
Subject: Problems with filesharing
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:45:56 GMT

We have a Mac IIsi an SE and a Plus.  The IIsi is running system 7,
the Plus is running 6.0.3 and the SE is running 6.0.5. I turned on
filesharing and connected the Plus with Appleshare 2.0.1 in the System
Folder.  The Plus was able to connect to the IIsi without a problem.
When I tried the same thing with the SE I got a dialog saying that
some Appleshare resources were not loaded at startup, and to reinstall
them.  I reinstalled and got the same message. When I select
Appleshare from the chooser on the SE, the IIsi shows up as a
fileserver.  I also tried putting the Appleshare from system 7 into
the SE.  When I did this I didn't get the same message, but got into
an infinite loop between two dialogs: 'The disk <fileserver> needs
minor repairs' and 'Unable to build desktop on <fileserver>'.

The SE is running Multifinder 6.1b9 with Desktop manager.  Turning off
other inits didn't change anything.

I don't understand why the Plus connection worked fine and the SE
won't at all.  Can anybody help me?

Thanks
Alan

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Alan Munn                     <amunn@gibbs.oit.unc.edu>
Dept. of Linguistics, CB# 3155 UNC Chapel Hill NC 27599
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Ray Zimmerman <Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu>
Subject: Run on shutdown under Sys 6?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75CB1B55101E0B5@ziklag.ee.cornell.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16: 51:17 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: rz10@cornell.edu
Organization: Electrical Engineering, Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:44:17 GMT

Is there any way to run a program on shutdown (or restart) under
System 6.0.7?

Thanks in advance,
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 Ray Zimmerman           \ 397 Theory Center, Electrical Engineering
                          \ Cornell University, Ithaca NY  14853
 Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu \ Phone: 607-254-8819  Fax: 607-255-9072
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
        "The number you have dialed is imaginary.
                    Rotate phone 90 degrees and try again."
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From: myke@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Michael Dautermann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: smells illegal to me... Re: MacTCP 1.1.1 Found!  Thanks!
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Date: 29 Dec 1992 19:19:58 -0500
Organization: We're from the government, ma'am
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu
Summary: don't do it, mahn...
Keywords: ouch, oof, bad

In article <1992Dec29.162508.13041@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mstov@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.p.stovsky) writes:
>A little while ago, I posted an article looking for MacTCP version 1.1.1.  Once
>again, the net came to my rescue.
>
>Charles Lind suggested ftping to ni.umd.edu and looking in dist.  Lo and 
>behold, there was mactcp111.sit.hqx.
  
according to the "AA-MAC-CONTENTS.TXT" file in that "dist" directory, it
says:

---
mactcp1.1XXX  1.1 update to MacTCP, site licensed. You may not need docs
---
  
the other goodies in there are also site-licensed.  I would STRONGLY
suggest the people at umd.edu put WUstl's ftp daemon on that machine
and block ftp connections not from umd from getting at the site licensed stuff.

The copy you have, Michael, is site licensed for UMD.

>Richard Brandau and John Matthews both suggested downloading the XGator demo.
>Apparently, it includes the current version of MacTCP.
  
we don't have a copy of this on mac.archive currently for this
reason (we're very careful about Apple copyrights)... we'll be getting
a version without MacTCP online in the next day or two...



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ack@mwunix.mitre.org (James Ackermann)
Subject: Mac SE won't oot from hard drive
Summary: Mac SE will not boot from hard disk
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:43:12 GMT


My brother is having a real problem with his Mac SE.  His
daughter shut it off in the middle of the shutdown sequence a few
weeks ago.  Since then, it does not recognize the hard disk as a
startup disk when powered on.  He boots it from a floppy, then
chooses restart from the options menu.  After doing this two or
three times, the machine will recognize the hard disk and boot
from it.

The only other symptom that he knows is that he can't rebuild the
desktop (though he's using system 6, and I gave him the way to do
this using system 7; maybe my directions were wrong).

Any ideas what it could be?  Please respond directly to me; I
don't usually read these groups.

Jim Ackermann
jsa@mitre.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: 7.1 Install barfs on Quadra 700
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 09:59:48 GMT

A question to all of you who boot from the 7.1 Installer disk and get a flashing 
box - are you using the original disk?

An installer disk contains special information in its floppy boot blocks
to run the installer program and not the (non-existent) Finder.
This information is lost unless you do a disk-to-disk copy using DART,
Diskcopy or similar. Dragging files between disks does not work.

Moral - use a disk copier to copy System Installer disks (at least, Disk 1,
the boot disk.)

L.H.Wood@uk.ac.lut
From: soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Low formatting
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:10:20 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Hello Macers!

One again I come to you for help!

Could anyone tell me if there is a hard drive low formatting
program available (either PD or commercial)? I have an SCSI
hard drive (perfectly working on other type of machines) but
refusing to work on a Mac. May be it is due to a low format 
problem.

Does anyone of you is using the Seagate ST1480N? Does it need any
driver to work with a Mac? What is the jumper setting to use it as
an internal drive? As an external drive? 

Thanks a lot in advance,

Richard Soubyran
soubyran@alize.ere.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cam@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Cameron Daly)
Subject: dvorak keymap needed
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:24:46 GMT

A few months ago, when I decided to switch over to a dvorak keyboard, I made
the mistake of not copying the keyboard file before dropping it into the
control panel.  Yesterday I killed the System by mistake while figuring 
out that my powerbook doesn't like the powerseep fkey, so I went looking
for the keyboard again.  The only copy I could find, though, has the 
left and right braces on one key, the =+ key in the wrong place and the
}{ key in its place.  Does anyone have a copy of a dvorak keybord they
could send, or knowledge of an ftp sight with one different than the one at
sumex and nic.funet?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.  Please respond
by email.


--
Cam Daly                                Phone: (617) 225-7880
22F1                                    Internet: cam@athena.mit.edu
550 Memorial Dr                         "He who fights and runs away,
Cambridge MA 02139                       lives to nuke the site from orbit"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: sethi@pokey.cis.udel.edu (Adarshpal S Sethi)
Subject: MacDraw
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:40:12 GMT

I have MacDraw 1.9.x (I forget what x is) at home and
MacDraw II 1.1 at work. I tried to take a document
created at work and edit it at home, but MacDraw refused
to open it, saying it was created with a different version.
Is this possible to do? How about the reverse, i.e. a
document created with Version  1 and editing it with
Version II?

Adarsh Sethi
sethi@udel.edu
From: RTL@siva.bris.ac.uk (RICHARD LIM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 7.1 Installer bug
Date: 1 Jan 1993 12:48:10 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation

The diagnosis that duplication of fonts in the System file and Fonts folder
is responsible for the increased RAM usage of 7.1 seems very plausible to
me.  However, the bug is surely not in Apple's Installer but in the SCRIPT
provided.  Surely all Apple would have to do is to make a revised script
or disk image available at ftp.apple.com and we could alter our Install 
disks appropriately
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From: phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: System kinda' hangs - All system versions! Help!
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: phil@phunt.MV.COM
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2

Hi,

I've got a Mac II  (Vanilla standard) with 8 megs of memory.

The system sometimes seems to hang.  The screen doesn't dies, but mouse clicks
are ignored.  You can move the mouse, just cannot click anywhere.  Also, command
key equivalents don't work.

But, if file sharing is enabled, users on the machine do not see a problem!
Their activity continues uninteruppted.

I have tried this on System 7.1 or 7.01% (Tuner installed).  I do not turn
on virtual memory or 32-bit addressing.   I am running *NO* inits at all (except
Apple's tuner stuff).  The problem occurs whether file-sharing is on or off.

What can caouse this?

Phil

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Howtek, Inc.		                   "Wherever you go, there you are!"

Internet: phil@phunt.MV.COM         uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!phunt!phil
From: fritsch@d25.wu-wien.ac.at (Michael Fritscher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Virtual memory with Daystar Equalizer
Date: 21 Dec 1992 11:15:21 GMT
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: d25.wu-wien.ac.at

When I use virtual memory on my LC with the Daystar Equalizer Card with math-chip under System 7.0 with Tune-Up, the system hangs whenever SAM-Intercept beginns to work or a desktop calculator starts (the one shipped with System 7 as well as several shareware calculators) or After Dark runs for about two minutes.
 The HyperCard sound recorder doesn't work with virtual memory, either. Where is the problem? Is it the Daystar Equalizer or does this problem occur on other machines as well? Is there a way to solve this problem? A lot of questions, I know, but perhaps someone knows an answer to at least one of those questions.
Michael 
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From: ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Feedback for TEXT PRESS utility. etco
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:18:32 GMT
Reply-To: ttak@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I'd like to get feedback on the TeachText editable/read-only
conversion utility called Text Press, before I release the
new 1.0.1 version soon.  It is available from info-mac ftp
sites such as sumex-aim.stanford.edu.

Thanks.

Kenji Takeuchi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rmah@panix.com (Robert Mah)
Subject: Re: Mac OS on PC
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:36:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <cjs2z6m@rpi.edu> deweeset@ptolemy3.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) writes:

>>It seem that MS is guilty of the charge of not fully documenting Windows.  
>>But I'm not sure that this should be considered non-competitive behavior.
>>Although MS is powerful, they are not powerful enough that there are 
>>substancial barriers to entry in either applications or operating systems
>>software markets.
>>Rob
>>[  rmah@panix.com  |   every moment a challenge."  ]

>  Well my understanding of the situation is that they have done all of the
>above.  The basic idea of the FREE trade system is that the _consumer_ will
>benifit from an open market.  
>  This has stopped happening in the IBM software market.  There are two 
>"rumors" I have heard which, if true (which really is for a court of law
>to decide), mean that MS is no longer compeating in a free market enviorment.
>the two things I have heard are:

>1).  There were several parts to Windows 3 that were left out so that they
>could later introduce upgrades (in a free market system they should have
>to put out the best product they can in order to compete).

I'd say that in a "free" market the company should decide what to produce
based on what they think the market should accept and short/long term goals
of how much money they can make.

>2).  All of MS's Windows apps are designed so that they will NOT run on any
>other OS other than MS Windows.  This is a move that will strongly affect
>sails of other OS's.  But in a free market they should be interested in
>having there programs sell as widely as possible (this may be related to
>confict of interests).  BTW what I mean by they will not run on any other OS
>is not that they won't run under Mac OS,  but that systems that attempt to
>simulate Windows will not be able to run MS applications.  A good example
>is OS/2.  Virtually every non-MS application runs, but virtual no MS apps
>run.

Big deal.  Until FileMaker Pro, no Claris apps could run on any system 
other than the Mac.  Remember the market that we're talking about is the
operating systems market, which is a subset of the retail PC software 
market, which is a subset of the software market.  That Microsoft can
monopolize the MS-Windows market is a given.  It has to be proven that
Microsoft is trying to prevent other companies from producing operating
systems and applications software.  Even if they were preventing firms
from producing apps for MS-Windows, there wouldn't be a problem.  Except
that MS-Windows will soon be the dominant OS.  If MS-Windows doesn't
dominate the OS market then the FTC has no case.

I don't like Microsoft much, and they'v done some pretty slimy things in
the past, but I really wonder if anti-trust laws should be brought to
bear against them.

Rob

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[  rmah@panix.com  |   every moment a challenge."  ]
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: 7.1 Install barfs on Quadra 700
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:07:56 GMT

In article <leec4-221292121110@silia.its.rpi.edu> leec4@rpi.edu (CD LEE) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.160349.1835@mail.cornell.edu>, Bill Stearns
><whs1@cornell.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> The system 7.1 Install disk would not boot my Quadra 700 with 20MB RAM &
>> E-Machines 16" monitor.  Symptoms were a blank dialog box that constantly
>> rebuilt its border which appeared after the Welcome dialog box had
>> appeared and then cleared.
>
>I have Q700 20MB RAM with 2MB VRAM & 16" Apple.
>I have no problem with System 7.1
>
>I think you get into the bug of system 7.1

No. I had the exact same effect on a IIsi. I had to do the install by
restarting with extensions off and double-clicking the installer.

tim.
From: craparotta@frside.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 7.X and Volume Size limit
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:32:55 GMT
Reply-To: craparotta@frside.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Right now from what I can tell, System 7.X has a 2 gig volume size limit..
Does anyone know if this is going to be changed to allow larger volume 
sizes??


Joe Craparotta
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: toma@baritone (Thomas Arneberg  {66642 CF/DEV})
Subject: PS Fonts: FontBank vs. Fluent Laser Fonts
Organization: Cray Research Inc.
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:25:05 CST

Can anyone provide advice on Postscript fonts?

I have a IIci (system 7.0) with a TI MicroLaser printer with only 4 built-in
fonts, and I'd like to add some "novelty" fonts (headlines, cursive, etc.).

Someone has recommended against TrueType; he said they don't look as good
as real postscript fonts on a postscript printer. The same person said to
get ATM fonts since they'll look better on the screen, and he recommended
"Fluent Laser Fonts" by Cassidy and Green.

But I can't find that product anywhere in the Jan. '93 Mac User. I've
spotted a competing product, "FontBank Postscript Display Typefaces"
elsewhere. This includes *250* postscript fonts for $90!

Is one of these packages better then the other? Anyone know where I can get
"Fluent" if that's better? They both certainly seem better than the 
mega-buck Adobe fonts. I don't need a particular font, I just want lots 
of unique "niche" fonts to choose from for special occasions.

(Sorry for being so ignorant of this issue...I've been using my trusty Mac
Plus from early 1986 until this week, so I'm still using Times, Helvetica,
and Courier with the original bit-mapped screen fonts...)

Any tips are appreciated!
  - Tom A.
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From: lederman@taney.uscghq.uscg.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Copy CD-ROM Desktop file to hard disk?
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:46:09 EST
Organization: United States Coast Guard

  
    I seem to remember a discussion here in the past about
 improving access to CD-ROMs by keeping a copy of the desktop
 files on your hard (boot) disk.  I didn't need this then, so I
 didn't keep a copy and the system I use doesn't store files for
 long.

    Can someone mail or re-post a description of how this is done,
 or point out a file on an FTP server which describes this?

    Thanks very much.

 Bart Z. Lederman
 System Resources Corp.

 (please email to "lederman@dts66.uscghq.uscg.mil" or
 "lederman@eisner.decus.org")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system