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From: papadopoulos-dimitrios@CS.YALE.EDU (Dimitrios Papadopoulos)
Subject: Re: Deloitte Bowler Rankings
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:51:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.004552.8244@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>I was surprised to see the Deloitte ratings for bowlers.  I don't remember the
>actual points (well I actually scribbled them on a piece of paper and lost it!)
>but the rankings are as follows;
>
>1.	Curtley Ambrose
>2.	Waqar Younis
>3.	Craig McDermott
>4.	Bruce Reid
>5.	Merv Hughes
>6.	Wasim Akram
>7.	Courtney Walsh
>8.	Imran Khan
>9.	Kapil Dev
>
>For me the two surprises are Merv Hughes and Imran Khan.  Merv Hughes because
>he doesn't impress me as the 5th best bowler in the world currently, and Imran
>Khan, since I can't remeber hearing of him performing any amazing feats with
>the ball recently (I may be wrong on this though).  By the way Imran also
>appears in the top ten of the batting rankings.
>

These rankings have never made sense to me.I was recently seeing the 
vedio of first match of India-England series of 1990.At that time 
Atherton was ranked 6th in the world(ahead of Gooch(11th) and 
Azhar(13th))and he had played just 8 test matches before that.

--Pushkar
>McBean
From: vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Subject: Re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:16:45 GMT

In article <12AUG199214575827@vxcrna.cern.ch> hasan@vxcrna.cern.ch  writes:
>In article <9222517.27920@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes...
>> 
>>You seem to be forgetting in this example that for an umpire, judging
>>the direct throw cases is much, much, easier than the ones where a
>>player takes the ball and removes the stumps.   In the direct throw
>>case he can watch the bat, and listen for the ball breaking the stumps,
>>and he'll have a pretty easy decision to make - even the slight delay
>>in the sound reaching him (if he's at square leg) will act in the
>>batsman's favour, so he doesn't have to worry about that.
>> 
>>When one of the players is to take the ball and remove the stumps, the umpire
>>has to watch that happen, he has to be sure the ball has been taken cleanly,
>>and before the bails are removed, not as sometimes happens, the bails being
>>removed an instant before the player catches the ball, or removed with the
>>hands after dropping the ball near the stumps, and all kinds of other
>>possibilities.   After he's seen that the wicket has been properly put down,
>>he then has to shift his attention to the batsman and see if he's out of his
>>ground - that takes time, and that time can make all the difference.  What's
>>more, the umpire has to do it this way, he can't watch the bat, listen for
>>the bails being removed, and then try to work out of they were removed
>>properly, after they've been removed its too late to tell.
>> 
>>That's why I regard "out" decisions in those kinds of cases as almost
>>invariably wrong - that usually means that the umpire wasn't paying
>>attention to what he should have been - even if replays show that
>>everything was just perfect.
>>
>
>Now this is ridiculous. What you are saying is that in case the wicket-
>keeper or one of the fielders removes the bails after collecting a throw,
>a batsman should be at least more than than two feet away from the crease
>to be given out, otherwise the decision would be "almost invariably wrong". 
>How about including this great piece of advice in an umpiring manual.
>
>I am sorry for being a bit too harsh on you, but though you have every 
>right to your opinion about the said decision, you seem to be carried away 
>too far to justify a bad decision. 
>
>>	--- stuff deleted --- 
>>kre
>
>	-Hasan



How about having umpires to go thru some schooling and practice camps
also - just like the players!!

In this particular case of "run outs" umpire should reherse on field
and be graded based on his decisions about run outs. A correct 9 out
of 10 run outs would rate him ok umpire. :)

Similarly to avoid controversial "lbw" decisions the ball should be
implanted with a sensor which can relay the inormation of the
trajectory of the ball during its flight towards the batsman..and an
off-field expert with monitors can analyze if the ball was really in
lbw range or not! (pipe dreaming :))
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Subject: Re: SL vs Aus
From: Sankaran.Venkatesh@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:34:37 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug17.141521.18236@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@.bellcore.com writes:
> 
> 
> In the first test, Aus are in trouble having been bowled out for around 250 
> on the first day. The main damage was done by Wickremasinghe (sp?) who 
> took four vital wickets, those of Boon, Border, Jones and Taylor. 
> 
> Apparently Aussies have already started to complain about the 
> umpiring: both Taylor and Dean Jones were "incredible" about their LBWs, 
  ^^^^^^^^^
> Dean Jones being given out not playing a shot. 
> 
And what about our Boon from  'Tassie.' Too bad there are no  Randall's (or
any other 'ump' from Tassie).
 

> 	--SAN
> 


-- 
Venkatesh Sankaran
(04) 476-0226 [Home]
(04) 382-7392 [Work]
Wellington,New Zealand
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket,soc.culture.pakistan
From: asim@pak.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Subject: Re: The Best Captain (Re: Pakistan: 200 not out.......
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.145301.5451@seas.gwu.edu> ahmad@seas.gwu.edu (Aftab Ahmad) writes:
>In article <16AUG199221281018@zeus.tamu.edu> m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
>>there is hardly any doubt about the best captain for pakistan. Based on 
>>statistics, yes, miandad is best but QUALATIVELY imran is surely the 
>>best. In fact, arguably the best captain for any country. Isn't (or 
>>wasn't) he?.
>
>	No doubt Imran's name comes to mind when the word cricket
>	or captain is spoken or read. His capabilities as a captain
>	have been absolutely outstanding. But if I have to vote for
>	the best captain ever, I will say Mushtaq Muhammad. He was
>	the first one who really thought about a stratgy to win and
>	even take risk for it. Also in his era have we seen the
>	trend of pacers getting on its way in Pakistan. I regard him
>	the best ever captain, in Pakistan cricket.
>aftab ahmad

I think that while Mushtaq was the captain, Pakistan had it's strongest side,
with the likes of Majid Khan, Sadiq Mohammad, Zaheer Abbas, Waseem Raja, Wasim 
Bari, Asif Iqbal, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Imran Khan, Intekhab Alam and Mushtaq himself.
I believe that most of the above players were at their peak at the time Mushtaq
was the captain and almost all of them had a permanent place in the team. While
when Imran became captain, there were a lot of new faces and he had to build the
team almost from scratch, apart from Miandad and himself. I don't want to take
any credit away from Mushtaq's captaincy, but it would be nice if somebody could
post their respective records as captains. I guess everybody can see from my
signature that this is a biased opinion.
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From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: 4th ODI: 2nd day ;) lunch
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 12:22:25 GMT


A much better day with a good deal of sunlight, light clouds and a
strongish breeze; means conditions less favourable for bowling compared to
yesterday. Pakistan got an early wkt when Aqib had Smith ct behind for 4.
Fairbrother countered with a quickfire 33 off 30 deliveries with 5 4s
before Aqib, bowling round the wkt, got one to straighten a bit and take
the off stump. Botham at the other end was content with nudging the ball
for singles and twos. But he went down to hit Aamir Sohail, failed to
connect and was stumped for 40. He had earlier survived when a chance off
Mushtaq's bowling went down. Hick and Lamb were going very well with a run
rate of only 3.4 or so reqd when Hick dragged one on to his stumps. He
made 6 and the bowler was Aamir Sohail. That was just before lunch. Lamb
is still there on 40 (acquired fairly briskly but without any throwing of
the bat) alongwith Blakey who is on 1. Eng 141 for 5 with plenty of overs
to go. Miandad and Malik have not taken the field so Ramiz is captaining
the side.
From: mtc@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Cousins)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:07:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Indian Cricket:--> JOKE OR WHAT????!!!!?!?!?
Organization: HP General Systems Division
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket

This is Pankaj Shah, posting from a friend's account.  If you choose to reply
directly to me, please mail to pshah@cup.hp.com.

Well said, Benjamin.  The only thought I'd like to add is that it should be
painfully obvious that the combination of pitches and other aspects of the
domestic tournaments are not adequately preparing the Indian youngsters for
a successful and long international cricket career.  When one looks at the
numerous youngsters who have been tried in the test teams over the past
decade, it is natural that Tendulkar is unique and that there are few others
who could be considered "decent".  It's like taking a gamble on sheer talent
to make up for rigorous application and match-play.  It's a losing bet.  In
fact, Tendulkar may have been one of the casualties if it wasn't for his
rigorous application to improving as much as he can.  Playing at Yorkshire
just might be the factor that helps him tap his true potential.

While India as a nation is BIG on cricket, it's mostly big on the heroes who
shine once in a while.  I personally do not see an appreciation of
professional application to what cricket really is: a team sport.  Until
that happens, we must continue to settle for occasional brilliance in an
otherwise hopeless situation.

By the way, Mr. Rao, I believe you are the only one who thinks that the 4-0
whitewash in Australia was not a case of the Aussies dominating the Indian
team.  And, IMHO, Azhar did not have much of a choice to play for a draw in
the fourth test.  I don't think he'd have lasted as long if he had not gone
for his shots.  I do not recall the last time he played a "slow" innings,
perhaps someone recalls . . .

Pankaj Shah;  pshah@cup.hp.com;  (408) 447-4658.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272)
Subject: Re: SRT - No more with Yorkshire
Reply-To: shamim@.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:05:44 GMT

In article 24872@cm.cf.ac.uk,  Alastair.T.Clarke@cm.cf.ac.uk (Alastair Clarke) writes:
>The Independant quotes four names that Yorkshire are trying to chase
>as their overseas player:-
>  Waqar Younis (if he is released by his current county - Sussex?)
	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Aqib Javed
>  Salim Malik
>  Richie Richardson
Its Surrey and it is not a matter of being released; rather it is a 
matter of Surrey coming up with financial packagaes that are 
acceptable to Waqar. 

	--SAN
From: aapfl6!zulfiqar@aapfl1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: PAK, ENG  ONE DAYS ON PPV
Date: 21 Aug 1992 09:58:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        DON'T  FORGET  PAKISTAN  VS  ENGLAND  ODI  THIS  SATURDAY

                                ON  PPV


        England vs Pakistan One Day Internationals would be televised
        by most of the cable companies throughout the US.

        Different companies are airing the matches at different times.
        Majority is showing it LIVE on AUGUST 22 (SATURDAY). Some would
        TAPE-DELAY the event by a few hours.

        The AUGUST 24 match may be TAPE-DELAYED and played on
        AUGUST  29 (SATURDAY). Some systems would show it LIVE.

        Your best bet would be to check with your local cable company
        to find the time and day of both the matches. I understand that
        the operators may not know yet because AVI has just struck deals
        with these companies. You might have to talk to your PPV MANAGER
        to get details.

        I also understand that the match would be SCRAMBLED and would not
        be distributed to satellite dish owners unless you make special
        advance arrangements with AVI @ (407) 239-8933.

        Different cable companies are charging different amounts. The
        range is from  $15 to $20.

        Some folks want to know what they can do if their cable company
        is unaware of the matches. I suggest that you call the PPV MANAGER
        of your company and let him/her know of your interest and ask them
        to contact AVI @ (407) 239-8933. It would not be a bad idea to
        give AVI the name/phone of your cable company's PPV MANAGER
        as well.

        In reply to someone's question, Sammons Communications has indicated
        that in towns where they operate there is no interest in cricket
        and so would not be carrying it. That is hard to believe.
        However, there are other companies in NJ, MA, NY carrying these
        games and are in close proximity.

        If anyone needs any further info. you can post it to rsc and I
        will see if I can get the answers.


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From: hasan@vxcrna.cern.ch 
Subject: Re: 5th test (merci, SAN!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:16:00 GMT

Thank you Shamim for providing such an entertaining eye-witness account
of the 5th test. While we can only envy the range and intimacy of your 
access to the highest echelons of cricket in general, and the Pakistan 
test side in particular, the juicy anecdotes that you've shared with us
more than make up (at least for me) for any sense of loss in not being
able to see the match.

But tell me one thing: how in the world were you so sure of Rasheed Latif,
not previously known for his batting prowess, making an impressive test
debut? My word, you were ready to bet 200 pounds for his scoring more 
than 35 runs -- mon ami, are you a sage or a millionare :-)? BTW, if 
Rasheed Latif was such a competent batsman, how come was he not introduced
earlier in the series? It really piques my curiosity. 

	-Hasan
From: csp57@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Daniel Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: IBM Shareware games available
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:50:02 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

HI,

I have uploaded to uwarchive.wustl.edu 128.252.135.4 in the directory
/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS 2 shareware cricketing games for the PC.

The files are called stwicket.zip and worldcup.zip.  There is a short .txt
file for each as well that just describes the game very quickly.

Both games require EGA as a minimum and are simulations of 1-day cricket
matches.  In stwicket you are the captain of one of eight english county
sides and have to win the Sticky Cup.  In worldcup you captain an
international side and attempt to surprise surprise win the World Cup.

I have registered both games so can provide more info if anyone wants to
know the extra benefits of registering including a bonus game with Sticky
Wicket.  If you do decide to register please mention that you obtained the
shareware versions from the net so the author can see how successful
each distribution source is.

If a similar message appears to this at your site I apologise but for
some reason the first message was not received here.

If you have any comments regarding these games E-Mail me and I will pass
them on to the author as he is not on the net.

	Daniel

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:52:58 GMT

In <12AUG199214575827@vxcrna.cern.ch> hasan@vxcrna.cern.ch  writes:

| What you are saying is that in case the wicket-
| keeper or one of the fielders removes the bails after collecting a throw,
| a batsman should be at least more than than two feet away from the crease
| to be given out,

No, of course not.  I didn't say anything of the kind.  How far
could be, and still be given out will depend on all kinds of things.
What really counts is the time between when the bails are removed
and when the bat crosses the crease (on the ground) - if that's less
than about 1/10th of a second there's no way the umpire should give
it out.

kre
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk ( Ian Alexander Inman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Lists of players names.
Keywords: HELP!
Date: 4 Aug 92 11:46:50 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

I would greatly appreciate the mailing of names of players for both test
and U.K. county sides, as I am currently doing an M.Sc. Computing project
involving the creation of a cricket scoreboard.   Names of players who
have played for their county side in the current season, or who have been
in any international test side (England, Austrailia, Pakistan, India
etc.) would be greatly appreciated. 

I need the information to create a database of players names, and it
would look better if the names were factual.  

				A desparate student.

					I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk
From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Umpires
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:24:15 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Aug13.113403.311@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>
>The players get PAID for going through training camps and playing matches -
>umpires get EXPENSES. Personally I think most of them show remarkable control
>in dealing with some pretty immature performances on the cricket field.
>

     Absolutely. Sports like football have been marred in modern times by
 hooligans. So too is cricket, except that the hooligans are on the
 cricket field. The umpires should be invested with sufficient powers to
 control cricket yobbos .... e.g. the umpire could award 4 byes to the
 other side, everytime he is physically or verbally abused by some lout.
 They should do the same sort of thing in tennis, for instance :

 ....
 "Love - fifteen"
 "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS !"
 "Love - thirty"
 "THE BALL WAS IN, YOU JERK !"
 "Love - forty"
 "THIS PLACE IS THE F***ING PITS !"
 "Game to Bloggs"
 "F@#"+*%$ *&|!?:$#@ !"
 "Game, set and match to Bloggs"

     The umpires of course get no say in public. They don't get the
 opportunity to sit in front of TV cameras and slag off such-and-such
 a star batsman because he made a mistake and got out to a terrible shot,
 or so-and-so who bowled tripe all afternoon.

     Regards, Steve.
From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Mushtaq sets for Somerset
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:05:49 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

> Another interesting thing -- and also somewhat puzzling to me -- is that while
> the great Abdul Qadir performed so well in the Pakitan's tours of '82 and '87,
> he was to my knowledge never sought by any English county (now I may me wrong
> in this, so please correct me if I am ), at least not in the manner in which
> MA has been. Coupled with this was the inclusion of Ian Salisbury in the English
> side this season. Does this mean that the English cricket is seeing a revival
> of leg-break-googly bowling after an almost total neglect of well over 20 years.
> Any comments.
> 
> 	Hasan
> 


In the 1987 tour of ENG Abdul Qadir was sought by couple of counties but he
refused to play English county. I think he had nearly signed a contract with
Hampshire.

Atif Mumtaz

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: s1172217@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Subject: Aussie Bowling
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill 3842, Victoria, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:55:12 GMT

Shane Warne was selected because he bowls leg spin, something Australia used
to have plenty of in previous times, but now he and Peter McIntyre are the
only two exponents of that art left in sheild cricket and McIntyre hasn't
played for 2 years in the Vic 1st XI.  We also have  Matthews who is probably
the best spinner in the country now esspecially as Peter Taylor has retired.
There is Paul Jackson, left arm orthodox that has now moved to Qld from Vic to
further his career, Tim May an offie that in the last couple of seasons has
been plagued with injury and bad form.  Freedman from NSW looks promising in
the left arm unorthodox method, but generally we lack a spinner of
international quality, and we hope Warne develops thats why hes there.

I do agree that the Aussies are taking SL a bit lightly, leaving out Hughes
and blooding a youngster such as Martyn when the squad is only 13 is asking
for trouble, you can bet Merv will be back when the WI's arrive for this
summers tests, hes very consistent and career figures are suprisingly close to
Mcdermott's.

Mark.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: ST402420@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Pak-Eng ODI: Score??
Organization: Brown University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:27:05 GMT

Subject line says it all. What happened after lunch (ie, since the time when
England were 172 for 2 after 32)?
Viv.
From: rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin)
Subject: Re: PAK vs REST OF THE WORLD in TORONTO
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.134331.4956@gw.wmich.edu> 92ali@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>Asalam Alekum!
>
>
>Pakistan Vs Rest of the World         
>One day cricket match for charity.
>
>Date : September 27 1992
>Players: Pakistan: Imran Khan (Captain), Javed Miandad, Waqar Younis,
>Saleem Jaffer.    

I don't like this arrangement of JM stepping down from captaincy
everytime Imran is back in the team. IMHO Imran should now acknowledge
what a good captain (at least tactically) JM is & play once again under
him. This way he can right one wrong that has been done when Imran along
with other senior (?) players demanded JM's removal from captaincy.

>P.S. I am not involved with the organization of this match and information
>provided on the players may not be accurate. Shehzad.
>__________________________________________________________________________
>
>Shehzad
> 
- Rahin