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From: huopio@lut.fi (Kauto Huopio)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Polar flights
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:30:31 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed below are writers own.
Peruutus: Mielipiteet ovat omiani.

In article <jon.702677318@lindy.Stanford.EDU> jon@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:

>    The thread about longest air flights reminds me of another air travel
> question that I've never found an answer to:  Are there any regularly
> scheduled commercial airline flights that fly directly over the North
> Pole?  Or the South Pole?  If not, which ones come closest?

Finnair flew from Helsinki to Tokyo over the North pole for a couple
of years with a DC 10-30 ER. When Finnair got the permission to fly to
Tokyo direct over the CIS, the polar flights stopped. 

--Kauto
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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Airline food
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:21:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.102605.19402@athena.mit.edu>, rk@athena.mit.edu (Richard Kovalcik) writes:
<
<Gee, in the last month or so I had a stewardess on NW state up front
<that if the steak (sic) wasn't cooked enough she would take it back and 
<cook it more.  I overheard her say this to more than one person.

In a microwave?

					--Scott

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From: marcos@netcom.com (Marcos H. Woehrmann)
Subject: Re: Flying with bicycle
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:19:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <92103.101255JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> There has been a thread on rec.bicycles about traveling with your bike.  I
> thought that I would post here to see if anyone has any ideas or experience
> with this.  

I looked into this last year and the conclusion I reached was don't fly
with your bike, ship it UPS.  

The airlines charge big bucks and won't insure the bike (except they might
give you the $9/lb the are requiried to for lost luggage).  The best
way to get your bike to where you are going (domestically) is to ship
it UPS.  It's cheap, reasonably reliable (UPS does lose packages, but
it's kind of hard for them to lose a bike), and they'll let you insure
it to full value (they will make you prove the value, if they lose or
damage it, so don't bother lying).

The only disadvantage is that you need to get a bike box that is UPS
shippable (bike boxes are right on the edge, the one I ended up using
was a total of 3 inches under the limit).  Bike store will give you a box
free if you ask.  

Of course it does take a few days (you can ship it UPS blue, if you are
in a hurry) and you can't do this internationally, but other than that...

marcos



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From: spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 7 Apr 1992 18:07:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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On the same subject, are there any nonstop flights from South
America to Africa. Say Buenos Aires-Johannesburg, South Africa.
I suppose they would call these the Ozone Hole Special since all
indications are that the ozone zone has all but disappeared
somewhere over the South Atlantic.

Dan Landis spanga@athena.berkeley.edu    **sig**alert**-)-)
From: noah@coos.dartmouth.edu (Noah Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Boston <--> Seattle
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:35:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:

>well, my fiance and I are off on a Northwest Boston <--> Seattle nonstop
>Boeing 757 flight in May.

>Has anyone else been on this particular flight, or any other Northwest
>"longhaul" routes on narrowbody aircraft? Do they show a movie? Do they
>have those nifty overhead monitors? The only longhaul flights I've been
>on have been on large widebodied 3+ engined aircraft.... Do they serve
>more than one meal? 

Yes, Northwest just launched the BOS-SEA NON-STOP service.  Before, one had to
stop in MSP (which was nice because you could get a pizza or something :-)).

I flew PDX->MSP on a NW 757 last fall, and there was a movie in the overhead
monitors.  There was also a movie on the NW 757 I took to LAX 1 year ago.

There was only 1 meal (dinner).

As for flights on widebodies, I have seen more and more flights on 757 aircraft.
The 757 holds a lot of people and still has the things that people who fly
cross country want, like movies.  I guess that 757's are flown on routes where
they don't quite have the passengers to fly a DC10 or 747 (NW that is.. other
lines could also fly L10, 310's, 767...).

-Noah Cole
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flights Through Hell (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:58:12 GMT
	<1992Apr7.005517.15409@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<1992Apr7.021418.6160@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Apr07.094852.232221@cs.cmu.edu>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu's message of 7 Apr 92 09:48:52 GMT


In article <1992Apr07.094852.232221@cs.cmu.edu> jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl) writes:

[ story of KAL flight from hell deleted ]

That's pretty nasty, all right, but I think I can top it.  My partner
here at work took KAL to Bangkok (originating in NYC, going through
Anchorage, I believe).  The flight was overbooked...no empty seats.
Anyway, about five minutes into the flight, my partner discovered
(guess how) that someone had vomited into the seat pocket in front 
of his seat and just left it there.  Not into the barf bag, not
even into the barf bag and then put it into the seat pocket (which
would have been bad enough)...no no, right into the seat pocket, 
all over the emergency procedures card.  Nobody in the crew was able
to rectify this, even during the stopover in Anchorage, and my friend
was unable to get another seat (none to be had).  Rather than get 
separated from his party, he decided to tough it out, and spent the
entire trip sitting scant inches from yesterday's huevos rancheros.
Needless to say, he declined the in-flight peanuts.

I hope this isn't typical of KAL...I want to go to Korea some day!
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From: noah@coos.dartmouth.edu (Noah Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Flying to South Africa...
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:43:03 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Friends of mine will be going to South Africa shortly as US Diplomatic Corps
people.  I am thinking of visiting them next January as part of my "January
Term".  I will be leaving from Boston and I will want to return to Minneapolis.

Looking in the OAG, it looks like the best route would be.

LEB (Lebanon, NH where I will actually be starting)->BOS on Northwest Airlink
BOS->AMS on Northwest
AMS->JNB (Johannesburg) on KLM

RETURN

JNB->AMS on KLM
AMS->MSP on KLM.

This looks (by schedule only) like the best way to fly from Boston to South
Africa and then back to St. Paul.  Does anyone have any better ideas?  Are
prices going to be incredible?  e-mail or post responses.  Thanks in advance.

-Noah Cole
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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Delta Frequent Flier Mileage
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:38:47 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois

In article <29EBC3B1.27963@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen) writes:
>>  Listen to your uncle (40,000 for domestic, 50,000 for Hawaii, 70,000 for Europe
>
>Why fly DL?  AA = 20000 for domestic, 30000 for Hawaii.....

Since when did AA fly from Rochester, NY to NYC?  I didnt even know Delta
did.  Continental and USAir (and the former Pan Am Express) did when I was 
a student there.

--Ken
  formerly a Fisher student
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From: hoque@media.mit.edu (Tareq Hoque)
Subject: Re: Student Discounts
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.174041.26524@athena.mit.edu> eckhouse@athena.mit.edu (D. Noah Eckhouse) writes:
>
>USAir just bought the Trump Shuttle from Boston/NYC.  They're having a
>big frequent flyer bonus for flying on the shuttle between now and
>June (or July)...:  1,000 miles per trip, double mileage until summer,
>and 5,000 bouns miles for your first flight on the shuttle.
>
>So, one roundtrip bags you 9,000 miles, halfway to a free roundtrip
>ticket.  Not bad.  The reservationist also told me something else:
>(which I had never heard before...)  USAir has a student discount of
>10% off of almost every fare they have.  You just gotta ask.  The
>roundtrip on the shuttle ends up costing ~ $110.  Not bad.


Trump has student discount books that let you buy 10 shuttle trips
for $449.  So that was $90 for a rountrip.  The only catch is you get
continental miles, which may have dubious value.

Delta I believe also has student books for the same price on their
shuttle.  however their frequent flyer program is useless.
=t
.
From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Carry on luggage
Date: 16 Apr 1992 18:11:19 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley, Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu
Originator: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU

Baggage allotments vary from airline to airline.  Most have a maximum
of three pieces of luggage, with different size allowances depending
on whether you're checking in the luggage or carrying it on.

For example, when I flew NW a while back, they said that I could
carry three items:  2 checked in and one carry-on or I could check
in 3 items and carry nothing on.  I checked in 3 and carried one
on anyway:  how would they know?

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
From: neil@calvin.ksu.ksu.edu (Neil Erdwien)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS (Continental/People Exp)
Date: 9 Apr 1992 22:29:54 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.ksu.ksu.edu


If you are on a flight that is overbooked, and you believe you are about to
be bumped involuntarily, would it be better to volunteer?  In other words,
are the inducements to be bumped better for volunteers or forced bumpees?


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Kansas State University
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: USair
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 06:34:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.024803.6915@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko) writes:

>  PE also owned several major commuter lines, such as Britt (Chicago)
>  and the infamous Provincetown-Boston Airlines...I don't really 
>  know what happened to them, to be honest.  I think Continental
>  sold them off after a while.

Some were shuffled back and forth between Eastern and Continental by
Texas Air and as part of the Eastern bankruptcy mess.  Others (like
Britt) survived in vastly altered form to become the nucleus of
Continental's current commuter fleet.  PBA was (I think) in the end
simply shut down.

>>(It seems to me that there was an airline with SUN in its name that
>> was centered out of Vegas.  I THINK it was bought by America West.)
>
>Sun Country Airlines is a charter outfit which operates out of Vegas.
>I don't think AWA owns them.

I think we are talking about two different airlines here.

Last I heard about Sun Country is that it is centered in Minneapolis
(they were flying ex-NW DC-10s.  NW DC-10s and JAL DC-10s are unique in
having P&W rather than GE engines.  This makes maintenence a problem if
you fly this version.  Hence Minneapolis.)
But this info is from an issue of Air Transport World at least 4 years
ago.

There was another airline with the name Sun in the name around 1986
flying from Vegas.  I remember picking up a timetable.  They flew to
Reno and some other places.  I never noticed how they died.  They
flew 737-300s.

How about Florida Express?  (No, not Air Florida, assets of which ended
up at Midway Airlines---it's how ML became a 737 operator).  Anyone
remember what happened to them?  I do, I was a shareholder...

Reaching W-A-Y back, there is the takeover of National by Pan Am, the
single stupidest merger I can think of, the poison pill that eventually
killed off Pan Am while simultaneously providing the bankroll for Frank
Lorenzo's future pursuits.

Piedmont ate Empire.  Anyone remember Pilgrim?  Cascade?  Pacific Express?
Republic was itself the amalgamation of North Central with Southern, and
then Hughes Airwest added a little later.  Took forever to sort that out.

Whew...

RNA
From: ken@Cayman.COM (Ken Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airline food
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:44:23 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU's message of 7 Apr 92 22:01:14 GMT

In article <rt63aINNees@agate.berkeley.edu> mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:

   Airline food, a contradiction in terms?  :-)

   Any tips?  I've always heard that, for vegetarians, special meals are
   better going West -> East because of California's produce and general
   health consciousness...

I have found that ordering Kosher meals in advance seems to work out
pretty well. I suppose it varies by airline but at least for American
(my carrier of choice) it works.

							Ken
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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons???
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:24:14 GMT

In article <s0mirINNr51@agate.berkeley.edu> dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler) writes:
>Okay, I guess with this it's time to tell what AMEX just recently did to me.
>Last month I needed to go to Boston.  I called AMEX about 3 weeks before the 
>flight and requested the vouchers....
>They told me I'd get them in 10 to 14 days.

My sister had a similar problem.  She called many times  and each time
they told her that the coupons would be on  their way.  Starting about
3 weeks later every few days a set  of them arrived.   She got about 4
or 5 sets of 2 and used most of them over the course of the next year.

					reb
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From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Airfares (STL->SEA)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:34:54 GMT

    Just wanted to point out that the so called "fare simplification" has
not been accepted or followed by all the major US airlines.  I called up
tonight for fare quotes on a St. Louis - Seattle roundtrip.  Departing
on 5/8 and returning on 8/20.  The following are the CHEAPEST fares
available from each airline I called : 

TWA  	     $ 760
American     $ 390
Delta	     $ 390
Continental  $ 349
Northwest    $ 349
United	     $ 308
America West $ 308

So, the moral of the story is, despite fare simplification, it pays to check
out all the airlines as fares can vary by $ 75-$ 350.

Greg

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From: tkw@leland.Stanford.EDU (Todd Whitehurst)
Subject: AMEX Coupon Transferability
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:45:02 GMT

I have heard of several people getting checked for identification
when using the Continental/AMEX coupons on Continental Airlines.

However, USAir also takes these coupons.  (USAir, if they are still
doing so, will take almost any coupon from any other airline.)  I
have twice used my AMEX coupons on USAir.  They have never checked
my ID, nor have I ever heard of them doing so to any student.  My
belief is that they have so few students using these coupons that
they don't bother checking.

Of course, now that they issue their own student travel coupons
through the Chase Manhattan credit card special, they may begin
cracking down as Continental has done.  But if I were going to
use someone else's student coupon, I would probably do it on
USAir instead of Continental at this point.

Good luck!
-Todd-

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From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: AMEX Coupons
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:52:45 GMT


Hi there, 

If a travel agent is isuuing the tickets (using the AMEX coupons) and also the
seat assignments, can't I board directly without checking with the gate desk?

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From: sakr@sask.usask.ca
Subject: Just a Trial
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:16:01 GMT

This is just a trial.

Khaled Sakr
Graduate Student, Dept. of Civil Eng., Univ. of Sask.
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From: kev@osf.org (Kevin Till)
Subject: Cathay Pacific's FF Miles
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:39:31 GMT

Hi,
	Is there FF program that will accept Cathay Pacific's Miles?
	Thanks!
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From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Airline food
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:14:19 GMT

I order diabetic meals on "meal" flights, even though I'm not diabetic.
My perception is that these meals are healthier (no sugar/low fat).
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
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From: timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield)
Subject: A Few Complaints ...
Organization: Uni Computing Service, Uni of Sydney, Australia 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:18:58 GMT


Believe it or not, I have a couple of complaints about this group !! Actually,
I think it is a great group, especially all the stories about people's
"misfortunes" when getting bumped ... but there are also a few things which I
don't like. Here they are :-

1. A lot of you, mainly Americans (probably because it's mainly Americans who
use the net :-) ) have been referring to a certain airline as "QUANTAS". This
is WRONG !! The correct spelling is "QANTAS" !! [It stands for "Queensland and
Northern Territory Air Services", which was whereabouts in Australia that it
first started.] The world's safest airline (# crashes = 0) doesn't deserve to
have its name mispelled. At least, that's how it's spelled in Australia, and
that's what counts ...

2. People seem to think it's trendy (showing that they've travelled a lot) to
refer to all airports, even the most obscure ones, by three-letter codes. This
is really annoying if you don't know where they're talking about, and probably
in many cases they made the codes up themselves anyway !! Eg: "last summer I
flew the Delta LAX-DFG-WSN-XYZ-XXX-AND-ABC-NBC-CBS-MTV-NOR-XOR-YHL run and got
bumped twice !!" Would you mind using the full names in future, even though it
will cost you a few more keystrokes, unless it's *REALLY* obvious what the
airport code refers to ? Otherwise we won't have a clue what you're talking
about ...

Thanks guys ...

T.J.Hatfield
Director of Flight Safety Film in "Highlander 2"
[the only good, funny bit in the whole film !!]

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From: thadani@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Sunil Thadani)
Subject: HOUSTON-COL deals?
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:27:32 GMT


I need to fly round trip HOUSTON-COLUMBUS (OH) or HOUSTON-INDIANAPOLIS
sometime in mid may.  Departing from Houston in mid May and returning
end of May.  Dates are very flexible.  If anyone know of any special
deals for this travle during this period please let me know.

thanks
Sunil
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From: treon@milton.u.washington.edu (Treon Verdery)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:00:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

well, I got the $189 coupons from AMEX.  They have my name written
on them.  My question is, can I somehow buy a ticket for my girlfriend
with one of them so that we can go the same place for the same price?

Note: the AMEX travel certificate says, "no", but I would be very interested
in people who have managed to do this anyway.  Is it really a problem?

With both "treon"s travelling on the same plane at the same time, will
anyone get 'confused'?

-thanks

...and what happens if we get caught??

Post or Email.  Posting would probably be ideal, I'm sure dozens,
if not hundreds, are wondering the same thing.
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