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From: U59985@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Street Fighter
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:06:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.93025.230640U59985
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I think some people are missing the point here. Some person mentioned Solarian
II, Maelstrom and Prince of Persia as 640x480x256 color games that move very fa
st. But have you noticed that the objects that are being moved are very small.
I know this is true of Maelstrom and Solarian II. I haven't seen Prince of Pers
ia running, but by the pictures on the box, I believe this is true also. By sma
ll, I mean that each moving object is about as big or not much bigger than a st
andard Mac icon. In order to make Street Fighter II resembler the arcade game,
the moving objects (e.g. Ryu, Chun-Li, etc.) would have to be almost half the s
ize of the screen. Or for rough estimates let's say 100x200. That is a lot of
pixels to move around the screen. Now I'm not a programmer and I don't know wha
t can or cannot be done on the Mac. But I would assume that some commpany would
 have produced something that could do this, if it can be done, already.

Someone also mentioned Hell Cats Over the Pacific. I know the game will run in
256 color mode, but isn't it only using 16 colors at one time? Also, the graphi
cs are mostly polygons, so that simplifies things a little. Would anyone want t
o play SF2 if the characters lookes Blocky? I suppose we could just call it Bat
tleTech or something like that. :)


Point is, the size of the objects involved are very, very large. I have a feeli
ng that most Macs will not be able to run the game at a fast enough frame rate
to make it playable. In the case of SF2, this is very important, as reactions a
nd timing is everything. You wouldn't want the computer to suddenly skip some a
nimation frames and then find a fireball coming right at you.


Thomas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Subject: Re: NeXT (Was: Power PC/68060/Taligent/Windows NT)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:28:40 GMT

tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes:

>hcs+@cs.cmu.edu (Henry C Schmitt) writes:
>: 
>: I found out something interesting from the Cursor_ (CMU's Computing
>: Services Newsletter):
>: 	"In addition to issues of support and configuration,
>: 	our study showed that NeXT computers in our public
>: 	cluster are used much less than any other systems in
>: 	the clusters (e.g., Macintoshes, DECstations).
>: 	Furthermore, NeXT computer use in that cluster has
>: 	declined this year, whereas use on all other systems
>: 	in public clusters has increased."
>: 
>: Draw your own conclusions from this.  I think they're pretty obvious.

>Do people have accounts on these machines? Unless a lot of people are doing 
>X stuff, I can't imagine any reason why DECs would get more use than NeXTs.
>(That is, if the NeXT's don't have an X implementation on them.)
>Are they running 2.0 or 3.0?
>How much memory is in them? 8 megs? 16? 20?
>Do most people know what they are?

 Well, I will assume that if people are using DECstations more than the
 NeXTs, they probably know what they are, since NeXT's claim-to-fame is
 that their computers are supposed to be the "easy" workstations.

 I think the real problem here is that NeXT computers do not offer
    1) good software choices
    2) good hardware.

 I'll elaborate on both of these ---

   1) Yes, some software for the NeXT blows away most other software
      packages on other platforms. The interface for WordPerfect, for
      example, far exceeds the interface for the program on any other
      platform. The thing is that WordPerfect is basically the only
      word processor to choose from. WriteNow, IMHO, doesn't offer the
      things that are really needed in a word processor and Frame is
      overkill. There are some softwares for the NeXT that are completely
      unreliable compared to their other platform counterparts.
   2) NeXT's hardware stinks. Let's face it - workstation-like tasks on
      an '040 just doesn't cut it most of the time. When I use those things,
      I find myself waiting a LOT more than if I use the Macs or other 
      workstations. The Macs because the software is more streamlined and
      the other workstations because the hardware is better.

  - Chris
    (opinions are my own)

--
Chris Trimble  	                 Birthday party, cheesecake, jellybeans, BOOM!
Beckman Institute Systems Services  -   Univ. Of Illinois   -  chris1@uiuc.edu 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Speed in Mips of IIci?
Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:44:44 GMT

charestm@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Martin Charest) writes ...
>What is the average speed in Mips of the Mac IIci (with Apple's cache
>card, and sys. 7.0.x.)?

What's the average speed of a Ford Taurus?  It's the same kind of
question, and the answer to both questions is: it depends.  On a
"typical" mix of integer instructions you might see something like 5
millions instructions executed per second, give or take 3 or 4.

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Friedrich Nietszsche
From: gt4997b@prism.gatech.EDU (hamza benamar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Latest Prices
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:16:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	Here are the prices, educational must I add, at the GTech
  computer store :

        Date : 1/26/93

        CII 4/40                : $850
        CII 4/80                : $925
        LCII 4/40               : $850
        LCII 4/80 w/ VRAM       : $995
        LCII 4/160 w/ VRAM      : $1150

        IISI 3/40               : $895
        IISI 5/80               : $1095
        IISI 5/160              : $1250
        IICI 5/0                : $1850
        IICI 5/80               : $1995
        IICI 5/230              : $2295
        IIVX 4/80 w/ 512k VRAM  : $2495
        IIVX 5/80/CD w/ 1Mb VRAM: $2715
        IIVX 4/230 w/ 512k VRAM : $2795

        PB145 4/40              : $1825
        PB145 4/80              : $2125
        PB160 4/40              : $2055
        PB160 4/80              : $2360
        PB160 4/120             : $2665
        PB180 4/80              : $3475
        PB180 4/120             : $3785
        Duo Dock                : $915
	Duo210 4/80		: $1895
	Duo230 4/80		: $2195
	Duo230 4/120		: $2515

	Q700 4/0 1FD		: $3350
	Q700 4/80		: $3695
	Q700 4/230		: $3995
	Q700 4/400		: $4595
	Q950 8/0 1FD		: $5095
	Q950 8/230		: $5795
	Q950 8/400		: $6395

	Monitors :
	
		Apple Mono	: $225
		Apple RGB 12"	: $425
		Apple 14"	: $459
		Apple 16"	: $1150
		Apple 16" +
		DoubleColor SX	: $1395
		Apple 21"	: $2775

	I personally think there are some inconsistencies. First of all,
  the CI is ridiculously overpriced w/ respect to the SI. Second, Apple has
  still managed to deny a lot of us PBs pricing the cheapest one at $1825 !

	I hope this will help other students in making a decision about    
  which system to buy. Obviously, the IISI will be discontinued. 

	Hamza

-- 
Hamza Benamar		Woodruff school of Mechanical Engineering, GIT.
Home : 404-355-7472	gt4997b@prism.gatech.edu
Office : 404-894-9540	Atlanta, GA  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: derek@netcom.com (Derek LeLash)
Subject: Color Pivot w/card <$1000 ?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:28:28 GMT

Does anyone know if a mail-order outfit out there is still selling the
discontinued Radius Color Pivot with interface thrown in for less than $1000?
I've seen some ads for this, but when I call, they say there are none left.
Please e-mail responses; I'll summarize to the net after I've gotten one for
myself.  :-)

Derek
-- 
Derek LeLash (derek@netcom.com)  "The journey is the reward, especially if
Tech Writer/Multi-medium          you got stock options when you were hired."
BASYS Automation Systems, Inc.
Sunnyvale, CA  408-SEX-LLAMA       DISCLAIMER:  Wash before wearing.  :-) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie)
Subject: Re: Duo keyboards
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:31:06 GMT

Greg Howard Rhodes <gr1c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
> I often have to hit the "P" and the delete keys especially hard
> sometimes. I just took it to be the newness of the keyboard, and
> figured that it would go away in time. It has, to some extent (or I've
> gotten in the habit of hitting these keys harder than the rest). Has
> anyone else had this problem?

   On mine, it's the return key -- and it didn't give trouble until
the Duo was several months old.  Fortunately, return isn't needed all
that often.  :*}

John Leslie <john@jlc.mv.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Subject: Re: Stylewriter II Driver on SW I with Classic
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:40:25 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware

In article <1993Jan26.044116.1619@mksol.dseg.ti.com>,
martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com (niels r martin) wrote:
> 
> My Dad purchased a SWII and while visiting here we tried the driver out on my
> SW I (Classic) and it works fine, but I have not been able to get the greyscale
> feature to work at all.  Is this a matter of lacking color QD or simply having
> a one-bit color system, or have I just missed finding an application that will
> send a greyscale file to the printer on the one-bit color machine?
> 
> Any ideas?  Other than that the interface works fine and seems to be a bit  
> faster than the old driver.  It is also a lot more friendly.


Ya gotta have 32 bit QD in da ROMs.

"I hope you appreciate the magnitude of your impending good fortune."
 
 - truck driver in The Sure Thing.


Apgar@Apple.com   |   Eric Apgar  alias  Gar   |   I said it, NOT Apple.
From: eluyten@rc1.vub.ac.be (Eric Luyten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Street Fighter
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:13:32 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium

In article <martin.727799267@marsh>, martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas) writes:
|> ma168wai@imath1.ucsd.edu (Damon Lou) writes:
|> >Hope this isn't a stupid question but...how come there are no games
|> >like Street Fighter for the mac (that i've seen)?  The only games
|> >that i've seen (in that genre) are really weak imitations.  I've
|> >paid thousands of dollars for my computer, but i can't play games
|> >that a Super Nintendo can play???
|> 
|> If a Super Nintendo does what you want a computer to do, why did
|> you pay thousands of dollars for your Macintosh?  :)
|> ...

There's worse. Our Cray Y-MP doesn't run PacMan !!!! 

Eric.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Motorola's 68060 for the Mac
Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:50:24 GMT

dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes ...
> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
>>128k ROMS, MultiFinder, System 7, and the '040 all broke some software, but
>                                       ^^^ ^^^^     ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
>>publishers quickly responded with updates.  
>
>	Interesting.  The first allusion I saw to this was the 040
>"compatibility mode" rating in the Speedometer ratings article.  I notice the
>mode slows down the performance quite a bit.  What's the nature of this
>incompatibility?  Was a lot of software affected?  I plan to buy a Mac soon
>and I need to choose between an 030 and 040.

You're too late to the game to be worrying about it.  The 68040 uses a
significantly faster chaching scheme.  When some programs used
self-modifying code (always a bad practice) the new instructions would
end up in the data cache instead of in RAM and the program would end
up executing the wrong instruction.  All current applications have
fixed this problem and so it's pretty much a non-issue these days
unless you're forced to run old software.  For those programs there is
a control panel which disables the caches.

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com                 than lies."  -- Friedrich Nietszsche
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From: Ron Beloin <R.Beloin@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Seeking advice on hardware purchase
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:35:20 GMT
Organization: Boyce Thompson Inst.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: theq.cit.cornell.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
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X-XXDate: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:39:15 GMT

In article <1js90q$fv9@agate.berkeley.edu> Shelly Culbertson,
shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU writes:
>I have a pretty good idea of what my needs will be, I just don't know
>which Mac hardware suits them best.  I'll be doing general office
management,
>including word processing (using Word), telecomm / file transfers (I
don't
>know what Mac software is available for this), accounting (using Quicken)
>and spreadsheets, I presume.  I will also be entering and maintaining a 
>database which may quickly grow to several thousand records, and I would
>like the system to be able to handle searches pretty quickly.  I'm
guessing
>that this will be done with HyperCard, unless there is a more appropriate
>program with which I am not yet acquainted.  I don't expect to need to do
>any CAD projects, but desktop publishing might be required in the future.

The word processing, spreadsheet, and possible dtp work suggests a two
page
monitor-probalbly monochrome/greyscale. Color is fun, but you wanted to
keep
cost down.

You may want to look into Filemaker for a database, if you don't need a
relational one (sounds like you don't).

The thing that makes me squeamish about the Duo is that you're schlepping
around
your main, one and only computer. This requires some care not to drop,
bang,
lose, and let someone sit on it. (maybe I'm just paranoid :-)
If it's simple text entry, a cheapo radio shack portable computer may be
an
alternative for data entry. You then import the data via a serial cable
into
the database.

The big monitor will require a video card, so this means not a IIsi, LCII 
because they only have one slot and you don't want to start out slot-less.
Sounds like a IIci or IIvx is the way to go. There may be new machines
announced (but not shipping!) on Feb. 10, just to make it more difficult.
The ci and vx are pretty much mid-range but quite capable machines.

Just opinions!

Ron
R.Beloin@cornell.edu
From: gk1@acpub.duke.edu (Gavin  Kistner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Desktop Rebuilt Automatically - Help!
Summary: How to stop it?
Keywords: Desktop
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:17:27 GMT
Followup-To: rkg@acpub.duke.edu
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

This isn't actually for me, but for the guy who this should be followed up
to:

His computer is automatically rebuilding the desktop file on one of his
partitions everytime he boots up, whether from the system on the HD, or
from Disk Tools.  He's tried re-installing the system (albeit without a
total system folder throw away) and starting up without extensions.

Anyone have any idea as to what's going on here?

System:  IIsi with 7.0.1 tuneup 1.1.1
         Used Silverlining to create partitions.

It's a pain in the butt, and it's scaring me.  What's up?!

- Gavin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: elenay_creations@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us (Anthony D. Saxton)
Organization: Cyber Sanctum
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:33:36 PST
Subject: Re: Which memory for Mac Plus?

Clip one leg of the resistor marked "1M Simms" toward the rear portion of the
Logic Board. Try to clip this wire toward the middle, and lift the component
out of the way... This way you could always reverse the process with a dab of solder.

Good Luck,

Anthony Saxton
From: Ron Beloin <R.Beloin@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Setting SCSI id on Conner 40, maybe drive light too
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:15:09 GMT
Organization: Boyce Thompson Inst.
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:19:04 GMT

Hello hardware mavens,
I transferred a Conner 40 from an si to an old MacBotton case, but wasn't
sure which pins controlled scsi addressing. Can anyone give me a tour
of the various pins on this drive? There are four pairs labeled E1-E4, as
I recall, and also a jack near the edge of the circuit board that looks
like
it might accept a plug from a scsi changing switch (which the Macbot has).
Right now it's working fine on a plus, but at scsi 0.

Thanks loads!

Ron Beloin
Boyce Thompson Inst. for Plant Research
R.Beloin@cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: johnwitt@anathema.engin.umich.edu (John P Wittkoski )
Subject: Re: Am I the only one?
Originator: johnwitt@anathema.engin.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:01:46 GMT


 
Re: networking macs with a printer cable instead of network
connectors...

Hooking up two Macs using a printer cable is just fine, if you're ONLY
hooking up TWO macs.

If you want to transfer files between two machines, or connect a printer, than
you CAN use the printer cable.

However, if you want to hook up more than TWO devices (machines, printers,
whatever), than you need the network adapters (PhoneNet, etc.). In general,
you can also run the lines of the network cable father than you can run that
printer cable. In addition, running phone line 100 feet for use with a 
PhoneNet box costs less for the cable than a 100 foot piece of printer cable would!

	--John Wittkoski
	  University of Michigan
	  johnwitt@engin.umich.edu
From: rmwbb@wittenberg.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: News of StyleWriter2&LC3
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:43:48 GMT
Organization: Wittenberg University

Hi,
	I've missed all this stuff on the StylewriterII and the talk of the
LCIII.  OK, my questions are:
	1)  Is this upgrade to an LCIII a reality, hopes and speculation, or an
upcoming thing?  I have an LCII bought in August of last year with a
Stylewriter at that same time, I would appreciate it if someone could fill me
in on this LCIII upgrade thing.
	2)  What with the StyleWriterII?  I have what I think is a STI, if
anyone can tell me the difference, cost, where to get the Software (ie, dealer,
ftp site, etc), and that type stuff, I would be very grateful

	BTW, if anyone knows of a 9600baud modem for a MAACLCII on available
please email me.....
					Thanks,
					Scott [rmwbb@wittenberg.edu]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: billbill@wetware.com (Bill Bill)
Subject: Re: Looking for good read/write optical drive
Organization: Castle Wetware
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:16:06 GMT

jangus@alnitak.usc.edu (Jim Angus) writes ...
>It seems that optical drives provide the lowest cost per megabyte for removable
>media.

Depends on how much storage you plan to use and what happens
to media (and drive) prices. At prices I found a couple months
ago, I think I figured the Syquests cost less until about 
500-600 MB, then the 128 MB opticals cost the least. 
In the gigabytes range, the 650 MB opticals are cheaper per megabyte.

ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
> I've been using an APS M-O drive for about a month now and have

That's the one I got. Same story here.

> nice.  The drive was $1200, but at MacWorld I someone selling M-O
> drives for $999 (although I don't know if that was for one of the
> older, slower drives, or even if that price included a case/power
> supply).

It looked to me like that was an old Sony drive, and slow.

> The only problems I have with the APS unit is that 1) it's noisy, and

What a relief that somebody else says this. I thought my IIci fan
was noisy until I got the MO drive. I'll have to build a foam 
enclosure for the drive - my computer should be *quiet*! Has anybody
else out there solved this noise?

> 2) was you mount a cartridge, the unit stays on until you reboot.
> APS's driver checks the drive for an insert every couple seconds or so,
> and if the drive is off your Mac stops briefly every couple seconds.

Yeah. The driver in FWB's Hard Disk Toolkit is supposed to avoid 
this problem.  I haven't formatted an optical disk with FWB yet, 
so I can't say. Write me if you're interested in the results; 
I'll do it next week.

Bill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: Anyone seen a dealer selling DUO MiniDocks?
In-reply-to: hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu's message of 20 Jan 93 18:04:46 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:11:58 EST

In article <105798@netnews.upenn.edu> hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) writes:

>Does anyone know of a dealer anywhere who has MiniDocks in stock?
>
>I can't find them anywhere around here. Noone even knows when they
>might see them.

They're on the Syracuse University price list. (And the DuoDocks
aren't.) That's not "in stock" but they do seem to be promising to
deliver within some large number of weeks like ten. I haven't asked
about them though.

--
- Rich "mcmxciibo" Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cs000rjp@selway.umt.edu (Russell J. Pagenkopf)
Subject: Re: HELP: Do you trust Disk First Aid 7.1?
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:43:09 GMT

Just my $.02 worth. I have on occasion run into bad disk, or rather the
students using our lab have, and Disk First Aid 7.1 was the only program
that would fix the problem long enough to retrieve the data. "Only"
includes MacTools Deluxe, Norton, and many, many shareware programs. So,
although DFA is probably a last resort for me, IT HAS worked correctly and
saved much possibly lost data. Why isn't it the first thing I use?
Probably because it isn't as friendly and "pretty" as the others (are you
reading this Apple? You guys wrote the book on this. Shame, shame ;-)).

Your mileage may vary.
-- 
Russ Pagenkopf		      GO GRIZ!		    cs000rjp@selway.umt.edu
School of Journalism				      cs__rjp@lewis.umt.edu 
University of Montana 	       (There's no way I speak for this university)
<There is no other wisdom, and no other hope for us but that we grow wise.>
From: c60b-3jl@web-2g.berkeley.edu (James Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Help in finding HardDrive for Mac 512K.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:43:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-2g.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan27.110744.10605@ac.dal.ca> 01saeid@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Can anyone help me in finding a hard drive with a serial port
>connection for a mac 512K. It is a sort of a hard drive that
>plugs in the printer port and provides the connection to the
>512K mac.
>

well, this is not an answer to your request, but a clarification.
a serial hard drive connects not to the printer port, but to 
the disk drive port.  

apple used to be the only maker of these hard drives, i have one
for my 2MB 512Ke.  it's a paltry 20MB and i heard the transfer
rate is around 30% of scsi at best -- and i paid a fortune for
it.
From: idowell@BBN.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Old joystick on ADB?
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:52:23 GMT
Reply-To: idowell@BBN.COM ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Is there any sort of adapter available which would allow
me to use my old Mac512KE joystick and tablet on the ADB?

Thanks,
Ian Dowell
idowell@bbn.com