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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:56:36 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>In article <21063@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.001310.11281@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
>obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.

I think his point was Jay was acquired by the Cowboys from Plan B, was
drafted by the Cardinals in a later round(~7th I think was too long ago
to recall), and although he is an excellent receiver and should never
have been turned loose by the Cardinals, a #1 and a #3 pick for him
does seem a bit steep.


>Eric
>



Russ Smith
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>-- 
>Mars is essentially in the same orbit... somewhat the same distance from the
>Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals,
>we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If
>oxygen, that means we can breathe. -- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steeler starting QB - official?
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:53:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep3.174103.15148@pdn.paradyne.com>, lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo J
ames) writes:
>In article <IedVj6e00WBNQ1fA4F@andrew.cmu.edu> Liz Fox <lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu> w
rites:
>>On 02-Sep-92 in Steeler starting QB - offic..
>>user htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>>Has Pittsburgh's starting quarterback formally been announced?
>>>It seemed pretty evident that it would be O'Donnell.
>>
>>Yes, Coach Cowher named Neil as the starting QB.
>
>I came across a picture of Coach Cowher in an NFL annual.   He looks,
>to me, to be a real young guy.  I thought he looked younger than Dave
>Shula did because Dave has his father's intense look at least. Exact-
>ly how young IS Bill Cowher?   Have the veteran players taken to him?
>Are Coach Cowher and Coach Shula the youngest pair of head coaches to
>coach in the same division in modern NFL history?  The Bengal-Steeler
>games should prove to be interesting this season.
>--
>+---------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------+
>|Leopold E. James     | "A heart, a soul, AND | AT&T Paradyne         |
>|ph: (813) 530-8425   |  a mind are terrible  | P.O. Box 2826, LG-132,|
>|lej@pdn.paradyne.com |  things to waste."    | Largo, FL 34649 (USA) |
>

Cowher is 35 years old, and it seems like the older players like his style.
They have all known there were going to need to be some changes, but no one
wanted to see Noll go.  Now that he's gone, however, the players are making
the adjustment.  Some of the players say they have had more interaction with
Cowher in the past few months then they had with Noll the whole time he was
there.  He's a tough coach, and enforces strict discipline, but he talks to
his players in a way Noll never did.  If it weren't for the fact that he's a
brand new coach, I'd look for the Steelers to go far this season.  As it is
now, who can tell.  He wants to got to the Super Bowl, but I think he'd count
a 500 season as a success.  I know I will.
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - If God dwells inside
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         us, like some people say, I sure hope he likes
215-758-0865            enchiladas, cause that's what he's getting.
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Buccaneer Update
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:10:43 GMT

As rumoured yesterday, the Bucs came to terms with veteran linebacker
Kevin Murphy so that he could be traded to the San Diego Chargers for
a conditional 8th round pick in 1993.  Also,  the club picked up cor-
nerback  Garry Lewis  from Dallas via a trade for a mid-round pick in
1993,  and cornerback Mark Berry off of waivers from the Bears.  This
leaves the roster at 59 players.   With both DT Rueben Davis   and OG
Tom McHale scheduled to come off of exemption tomorrow, look for more
cuts (TBD).
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|Leopold E. James     | "A heart, a soul, AND | AT&T Paradyne         |
|ph: (813) 530-8425   |  a mind are terrible  | P.O. Box 2826, LG-132,|
|lej@pdn.paradyne.com |  things to waste."    | Largo, FL 34649 (USA) |
From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF Backs
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:18:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: abcd.Derek_Juntunen.07mv
Distribution: world
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Sat 29 Aug 92 21:09, V067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (tim
wrote:

 V> Path: mtu.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!wupost!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!ub!acsu.
 V> buffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v067ftek
 V> From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
 V> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
 V> Subject: SF Backs
 V> Message-ID: <BtrM00.6AJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>
 V> Date: 29 Aug 92 21:50:00 GMT
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 V> O.K. Niner fans, who are your running backs going to be?

 V> Who will start besides T. Rathman?

 V> How many points will the Bills beat you guys by in week #2?
 V> (That is, after we dispose of the Rams for you)

 V> Tim Mac
 V> *Born to be a politician*
 V> *Just out making friends*

 V> GOD!!!  I'm really ready for some football!

Ricky Watters, he will beat out Dexter Carter.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Buccaneer Update
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:19:57 GMT

Buccaneer player cuts:

    Bruce Hill (WR),  John Garrett (WR), Todd McGuire (C), Kirk Kirk-
    patrick (TE), Willie McClendon (RB),  Curtis Maxey (DL), Tim New-
    ton (DL), James Malone (LB), Ken Swilling (LB), Sammy Lilly (DB),
    Marcus Hopkins (DB),  Herbert James (DB), Carl Carter (DB), Klaus
    Wilmsmeyer (K),  Alonzo Highsmith (FB),  Ricky Nattiel (WR), Mark
    Robinson (SS), and Robert Hardy (RB).

Buccaneer player additions:

    Joey Browner (SS).

Buccaneer trade rumors:

    OLB Kevin Murphy, the team's last holdout player, will be signed
    (maybe as soon as today) and traded to the Chargers for a condi-
    tional 8th round pick in the 1993 NFL Draft.

Notes:

    The acquisition of former Vikings SS,  Joey Browner, facilitated
    the departure of Mark Robinson, and re-unites Joey with his for-
    mer boss, Floyd Peters.  Interestingly,  Joey's brother,  Keith,
    was a 2nd round pick of the Buccaneers in 1984, and his brother,
    Ross, played for Coach Wyche up in Cincinnati.
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|Leopold E. James     | "A heart, a soul, AND | AT&T Paradyne         |
|ph: (813) 530-8425   |  a mind are terrible  | P.O. Box 2826, LG-132,|
|lej@pdn.paradyne.com |  things to waste."    | Largo, FL 34649 (USA) |
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:15273 dc.redskins:122
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: SF Backs
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:15:24 GMT

In article <JAIN.92Aug30025036@bartok.CES.CWRU.Edu> jain@alpha.ces.cwru.edu writes:
>
>Take it to Vegas. Whinner's 6-10. 
>--
Hey, at least you have the Bill's nickname correct: Whinner's.
Let me see, what is their record in Super Bowls?

-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears stuff...
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:08:27 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

> 
>>> signed C Jay Lewenburg (out of COlorado,  don't know who cut him).
>>He was the starting center at KC for the last God-know how many years.  A very
>>good pick up by the Bears.  Gives Thayer some room to breath & if Fontenot
>>should get hurt this guy has plenty of playing experience.
> 
> I thought Tim Grunhard from Notre Dame was starting for KC.  Was
> this only for the 1 or 2 KC games I saw last year?  I also 
> thought Lewenburg was a fairly recent graduate of CU.  Does anybody
> have the definate info?  (year graduated, etc.)

	Yeah, you right, man.  My bad.  I don't know *what* I was thinking of,
but Jay is a Rookie 9th rounder.  
> 
>>	Somebody mentioned on this net about making Zorich a backer.  I'd
>>thought this myself & think it would be a *great* move!  What does anyone else
>>think?
> 
> Zorro was a LB coming out of high school, but Notre Dame turned 
> him into a lineman.  I don't remember why - I think that when 
> he arrived ND had lots of quick LB's and not enough linemen.  
> 
	How about we start a letter campaign to Hallas Hall?  Zorro for LB!!

walter
From: correa@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Best RB in NFL?
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:41:28 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

Could someone please post the top five rushing leaders for the past 
five years.

Thanks

Silver&Black
"Best RB in the NFL wears..."
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins Running Backs
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, matt@ssehou.houst.sgi.com (Matt Carey) writes:
>Would someone please furnish me with the current status of the running backs
>for the Redskins? Specifically Ricky Ervins.

       Name       Pos  Hgt.  Wgt.
#21 Earnest Byner  RB  5-10  215
#23 John Settle    RB  5-9   210
#30 Brian Mitchell RB  5-10  209
#32 Ricky Ervins   RB  5-7   200
#39 Robert Green   RB  5-8   207

#37 Gerald Riggs was waived.

Earnest Byner is projected to be #1 running back.

Now that Gerald Riggs was waived, Ricky Ervins is likely to see more
action.  He'll alternate with Byner.

Brian Mitchell will handle the punt and kickoff returns.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Help on Television BlackOut Rules
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:31:48 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

In article <BtMKMy.L30@acsu.buffalo.edu> v134junv@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Donald A Martin) writes:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 	My girlfriend and I have been at this for a year.  What exactly are
> the requirements for lifting the local television blackout.  Buffalo's Rich 
> Stadium has 80,290 seats.  Exactly how many tickets need to be sold in order
> to lift the blackout?

80,290 must be sold PRIOR TO 72 hours before kickoff.

-- 
Rich Carreiro                                  Home: (401)841-8514
rlcarr@animato.network23.com
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Waiver Claims
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:31:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <20014@drutx.ATT.COM>, tom@drutx.ATT.COM (MaddenTC) writes...

>Is it my imagination, or were there a lot more waiver claims following
>final cuts this year than there have been in the past? I had the feeling, 
>in past years, that there was a tacit agreement among GM's to keep their 
>hands in their own pockets until final rosters (and recently, even 
>developmental squads) had settled down.

About 10 years ago the Packers claimed Keith Uecker from waivers when 
he was let go by Denver.  Someone with the Broncos organization said 
just what you say above - that there was a gentlemen's agreement not to 
mess with other team's players.  (I believe it was Reeves but I'm not 
sure.)

The Packers coach, Forrest Gregg, said that he didn't know about any 
tactic agreement.  Never the less, I think there was one, at least to 
some degree.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: STEELERS (and other starting QBs)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:48:40 GMT

In article <gedVQwi00WDKI8Endz@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>Since we've recently had an influx of returning students who haven't yet
>paid enough attention to find these things out, here's as complete a
>list of starters as I can come up with.
>
>Buf:	Kelly
>NYJ:	O'Brien
  no.  Nagle was named the starter by Coslet.
>NE:	McMillan (is this right?)
   I think his name is Hugh Millen
>Mia:	Marino
>Indy:	George (I seem to recall hearing he was hurt.....?!)
  George is out for probably three games.  Herrman is starting because
Trudeau just signed and doesn't know the new offense.
>Pit:	O'Donnell (yes, it's official)
>Cle:	Bernie
>Cin:	Boomer
>Hou:	Moon (yes, he signed)
>Den:	Elway
>KC:	Kreig
>SD:	Gagliano (yes, it's official)
>Sea:	Stouffer (is it official, yet?)
>Raid:	Schroeder
>Skins:	Rypien
>NYG:	(can't remember his name---not Simms)
His name is Hostetler, but since he was hurt, the odds are that Simms will start.
>Phoe:	(can't remember his name)
  Timm Rosenbach
>Dal:	Aikman
>Phil:	Cunningham
>Det:	Peete
>GB:	Majkowski
>Chi:	(can't think of his name)
  Harbaugh
>TB:	Testaverde
>Min:	Gannon
>SF:	Young
>NO:	Hebert
>Atl:	Miller (I think)
>Rams:	(can't remember his name either, but you know who he is)
  Everett
>
>
>--Vernon.
Jason Gische
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Re: ESPN - Young - Bono
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:54:50 GMT

marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>In article <0095FC40.3E55BAC0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>
>>Last night in their breakdown segment ESPN made an
>>interesting comparison between Steve & Steve.
>>There was a remark that the players 'liked Young
>>more than Bono' .

>This must be a misquote. Or you're getting your Steve's mixed up. Or ESPN
>hasn't been paying attention. Whatever the case, the fact is that the
>49ers like having Bono at QB more than they like having Young at QB.
>Whether it's because Young is left-handed, whether it's because he's
>less predictable, who knows; the fact is the 49ers look more comfortable
>and score more points with Bono in the game. That's not to say that Bono
>is necessarily a "better" or "more talented" QB, than young, just that
>he has a better "bottom line", i.e., he gets the job done better than
>Young, at least in the 49ers' system.

Had to have been a misquote or they were talking to the defense.  I know
the Offensive Linemen hate it with Young back there because he totally
messes up their blocking angles and patterns.  They have no idea what he
is going to do or where he is going to be.  They need to know what to
expect from the QB so they can do their own jobs better.
From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Central Prediction
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:06:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.1992Sep2.090649.734
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

>>              1.  Vikings (of course)...great offense,great defense
>>              2.  Lions...Peete isn't a divison champ quarterback
>>              3.  Bears...not the same ol' Bears
>>              4.  Packers...blew alot of leads last year(vikings,falcons)
>>              5.  Buccaneers...they suck
>>
> 
> Swap places between the Bears and Vikings and I might agree with
> you.  I seriously doubt that Green can step in and produce an
> instant winner.  There is talent, but still a lot of shady areas.
> Maybe in a year or two they may regain their form and once
> again become a force in the NFC Central.
> 
>                                                   Tony
>                                                GO 49ERS!!!
	I don't know if I agreee with either of these predictions & I don't
know if the Lions will have what it takes to repeat either.
	People keep saying the NFC Central is a weak division -- compared to
who?  The NFC West?  Rams & Tampa are two similar teams.  The NFC East?  Switch
helmets & I don't think you could tell Phoenix from Tampa, or the Giants from
Green Bay.
	I think that NFC Central is a division that's going to *maybe* send
three teams to the playoffs.
	Minnesota was 8-8 last year, and, be it pre-season or not, they
*really* stomped on their opponents.  They could be a team to surprise a few
people this year.
	Detroit has Barry, and Peete, too.  With these guys, along with a
defense that returns healthy (and a fantastic home field advantage!), you can
never underestimate them.
	Chicago is consistent, but last year was the first year in a *looong*
time that they won games that could've gone either way (eg. New Orleans - in
New Orleans, Jets - in OT (on Monday night, yet - where the Bears  have
traditionaly stunk!), and the Giants early in the season B4 they really started
to unravel).
	Of course, it doesn't hurt that these three teams play TB & GB twice a
year, but, at least for GB, these are entrenched rivals & each of these games,
even if won, are payed for on the Injury report for the next week, so don't say
that they're push over games.
	The Vikes are done paying for Hershel and have been competitive during
that time, so once they get a few years worth of #1s & 2s under their belts...
Ouch.  Look out.

walter
From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Michael Irvin signs!
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:29:14 GMT
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Sep4.120122.5408@linus.mitre.org>,
brian@el_padre.mitre.org (Brian Toothman) writes:
|>Well this time it is true.  He has signed a three year contract and hopes
|>to play against the Redskins!!


    Michael "PLAYMAKER" Irvin will play against the Redskins !!!!!!!!!!     
    Even if he does not catch a single pass,  Michael will draw or decoy
    the Redskins Darrell Green....
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.232603.7144@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>In article <14448@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
>
>skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>>In article <tokuno.715282398@milton> tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
>> >skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>
>> >>I started the "toast" thread and I will stand by it.
>
>> >>It's over, face it, come on swallow real hard and try to
>> >>get a grip.
>> >
>> >>MONTANA IS TOAST !
>> >>tim
>
>> >>reply:
>> >>but, but , but , if , if ,would have, could have. should have......
>
>> >      "TOAST" as I understand it refers to getting "burned" by another
>> >player, usually by someone on offense.  This implies past tense.  Montana
>> >is still on the roster, so unless you want to eat your own toast, you'd
>> >better think twice about making premature judgments.  I'm not saying he
>> >will be back for sure, but it is just as true that he is not out of the
>> >game yet.  Now if you are predicting he will not be back, that makes more
>> >sense.
>
>>If he does play the DB's will "burn" him like "toast". Is that
>>better?
>
>>tim
>
>No, not really!  I really don't see your reasoning here. Why do you
>think that the DB's will burn him?  Your explanation would be of
>great interest to me. Lets hear it!
>
>                                                     Tony
>                                                  GO 49ERS!!!
>
The guy is blowing hot air because he has nothing better else
to do.  ANY quarterback can be HAD!  Just ask Cunningham or the
other QB's that werer knocked senseless or were sidelined for either
weeks or for the season (last year).  Mr. Reynolds apparently is 
prejudiced against Montana and or the Niner's.  Hey, Montana has
only broken just every conceivable Super Bowl record and he is
arguably the QB in football history.  Now he is being degraded
simply because he is a winner and is determined to play.  He is
entitled to have his tryout for number one QB. True, he probably is 
"over-the-hill", but I would never bet against him.  Just ask all the 
other PRO football players who have gone against him.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Glanville/Falcons image ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:59:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Aug26.133016.3189@brtph560.bnr.ca> cboeker@batph78.bnr.ca (Craig Boeker) writes:

>My favorite teams before I moved here were Detroit and the Steelers and
>I really disliked Glanville and his Houston teams.  It seemed that most
>of the other teams/fans/coaches in the AFC central felt the same way.  He
>seemed to advocate borderline dirty play and the Oilers seemed to be out
>to injure players on other teams

Hate to be picky here (NOTE:  I am also a Falcons fan and a former Lions and
Steelers fan - strange coincidence), but you didn't like Glanville-coached
teams because of their borderline dirty play?!  Don't you see any similarities
between your former favorite teams and those Glanville-coached teams?  Both
the Lions and the Steelers have (at least in the circles in which I move) long
had similar reputations.  

Sorry, I can't answer your question because I, too, am in the Atlanta area, but
I just had to chuckle about your reasons for disliking Glanville's other teams!

NO FLAMES INTENDED!
-- 
Kenion, Kelly W.                             GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!
Georgia Institute of Technology           
Atlanta Georgia, 30332           
Internet: kk18@prism.gatech.edu 
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