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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Why I like the Mac for Music
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:48:18 GMT

In article <NICK.92Sep3135652@vaila.ed.ac.uk>
nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
 
>In article <D88-JWA.92Sep3105305@dront.nada.kth.se> d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
>
>   However, to tie in to MIDI; I'm waiting for QuickTime to
>   support MIDI as track data. It's supposed to come! Way
>   cool!
>
>Pah, given Apple's record with MIDI Manager (you know, that important system
>component to boost the power of your Macintosh for MIDI, and which will be
>an integral part of the forthcoming System 7) I doubt it.
 
Oh, it'll come in time. Let's see. System 7 was about a 3 year wait.
Applescript is about 5 and counting. I've heard about this Quicktime
with midi stuff for about 2 years now. I'm supposed to beta test Quicktime
2.0, so I'll keep the net posted on any midi info (provided I am allowed
to do so ;-) !).
 
>I don't have any use for QuickTime anyway. I don't work with pictures. I
>work with dancers.
 
Really? I would never have guessed!
 
>Nick.
>--
>  Nick Rothwell, LFCS, Edinburgh | "Say, how many contemporary dancers are
                                                                ^^^^^^^
>               nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk |     there in this bar?"
>CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens and
                            ^^^^^
>     cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk |     divide by two..."
 
 
--Eric
 
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From: bbs.forte@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Steve Salani)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Dream Weaver
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:02:30 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

My guess:  mostly Arp String Ensemble and Mini-Moog.

--
Steve Salani (bbs.forte@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dhardma@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Dave Hardman)
Subject: D4
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:56:46 GMT


   Frank,
 
    I bought a D4 some months ago.  I'm using a 5 piece simmons set plus
one Roland PD-31, which is a four-trigger-in-one head.  (A center, which
has excellent response and isolation, and 3 edges of the triangle, each of
which is pretty hard, and the crosstalk is on the order of 30 db rejection
between the other two... So if you really listen, you will hear other cymbals
or whatever sounding when you give an edge a good shot.)  Anyway, those sell
for about $105 here...not bad.. I paid $375 for the D4.  Ok, so...
 
>Last week, I heard about this brandnew (in Germany!) Alesis D4 Drum Module.
>I have two questions:
 
>First, how does it sounds ? Are there more akustical or electronic sounds ?
 
  Excellent selection.  A carefully thought out library of 500 sounds.  You
can assemble up to 20 61-note kits on board at a time, each kit with a custom
set of input-note assignments, tunings, pans, volumes, and polyphony priority.
 
>Second, if you use these trigger inputs, is it possible to use other
>Drum modules or sampler via MIDI ?
 
YES!!  The inputs, with the new software, allow each of the inputs to be
programmed for velocity curve, crosstalk, decay, and noise floor.  (It is
also possible to assign one input to be used as a noise floor detector, so
that it shifts the trigger levels according to the intensity of the background
noise.)  A bar graph is displayed on the "gain page", which allows you to set
the gain to give you maximum dynamic range......BUT ANYWAY, every time a 
signal passes all the input constraints, it is immediately converted to a
midi signal, which is transmitted to the midi out port.
        In practice, I run the midi out of my keyboard, and the midi out of 
the D4 into a switch box.  When I want to record from my key board, I route
it's midi out into my computer's midi in, and when I want to lay drum tracks,
I just try to remember to flip that switch!
        Obviously, there are many ways one can work the routings.  Since the
midi data is there once you strike the pad, you can do pretty much anything
your time/budget allows with it.  The machine is basically simple.  One thing 
to watch out for though!  If you run a setup like mine, you can get a wild
sequencer overloading "midi feedback loop" going if you don't set the d4's
"midi thru" to "off" when recording.
 
                                                bob@prospero.uoregon.edu
 
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From: clint@artech.UUCP (Clinton Keith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799!!!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:00:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Applied Remote Tech., San Diego

In article <1992Sep2.141412.5016@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
> 
> >To be quite honest, little IBM compatible software uses anything above 
> >640x480x256 except for GUI drivers and some graphics software.
> 
> Your argument is meaningless. I _USE_ GUI drivers.
> 
> Give up on defending that which doesn't deserve defence.

Forgive us for not following the ANSI_THIGPEN standard, but those of us who 
wish to spend big bucks on large screen hi-res color monitors generally
don't connect a PiCkle to them.  Believe me, a Sparc at 1k+ horizontal
rez performs much better that any PC.  If I want to run a PC program
I'll open a window and run it off a S-Bus PC card.

The majority of the hobbiests are quite happy with 640x480x256, and there is
always add-in boards for those who need more.




-- 
Clinton N. Keith                       ... Speaking for himself.
Applied Remote Tecnology               
crash!hp-sdd!artech!clint              
artech!clint@hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: New specs of Atari Falcon (500 Pounds)
From: Phil.O'Keefe@f170.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Phil O'Keefe)
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:19:51 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/170 - Cole Place Music Bo, Buena Park CA

In a message dated 17 Aug 92  22:49:45, Xorcist wrote:

> Hi,
> I have personnaly seen such a Falcon 030 running and I'm not so exited
> !
> Okay, the DSP might be interesting for some applications, but the
> other features are not so exiting.
> *************************************************************
> *  Stefan Hartmann       This is how to contact me:         *
> *  EMAIL: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de                          *
> *  Phone : ++ 49 30 344 23 66      FAX : ++ 49 30 344 92 79 *
> *************************************************************

 X> Um... err... a Mac setup to do 8 Ch. DSP 50K playback and recording
 X> would run yer ass $10,000 US dollars or higher... 2 Pro-Tools with
 X> software, Tax, etc... for $700, this little gem MIGHT kick some 
 X> butt... Now we just have to see what software will be driving it.

     I sure hope som of that software wi be C-Lab's Notator with digital audio 
ala StudioVision!

 X> The other consideration is if the S/PDIF AES/EBU ports are OPTIONAL
 X> for a 
 X> gazillion dollars, or standard.
 X> <X>orcist

     That was MY main question as well! I assume that they've said it WILL be 
available, but have not given a price on it yet? Darn, I HAD to just go and 
get a Mega 4 STe, and then they start anouncing THIS!

                    Phil O'Keefe



 

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Via: uk.ac.leeds.scs; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:46:10 +0100
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:42:25 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Yamaha Rack Mounts...advice needed
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

>From: Shiv Naimpally <shiv@CA.BNR>
>Subject:      Re: Yamaha Rack Mounts...advice needed
>
>The TX81Z is a nice rack mount way to get FM sounds in to your setup.
>I'd stay away from the FB01 which is available very cheap but requires
>external software to edit patches etc.. The TX81Z is a little more
>versatile.
>

As an owner of both a FB01 and a TX81Z, I would like to second the above
opinion.

Cheers,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (bassler ryan p)
Subject: Michael Boddicker/The Magic Egg
Summary: Looking for cassette/CD of Magic Egg
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:15:29 GMT
Keywords: Michael Boddicker/The Magic Egg

Ryan Bassler...bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

Does anyone know where I can get a cassette/CD copy of Michael
Boddicker's soundtrack to the Magic Egg?  I wore out my soundpage
excerpt from Keyboard a long time ago and would finally like to get
my hands on the whole thing.  Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,misc.forsale
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: FOR SALE: Alesis MMT-8 sequencer $200
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:32:48 GMT

FOR SALE:

Alesis MMT-8 sequencer

Includes manual, original packaging, power supply, and MIDI cable.

Excellent condition.  Used sparsely over last 2 years.  Never left the
studio.  No visible wear.

$200.  Buyer pays shipping.  UPS COD preferred.

E-mail dave@bradley.bradley.edu.

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
     I love to read a murder mystery.  I like to know the killer isn't me.
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
From: ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SY85
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:09:34 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Via: uk.ac.leeds.scs; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:12:11 +0100
Comments: To: synth-l@auvm.american.edu

WARNING: Opinionated waffle follows.

RLW@bitnet.ELAN asked about the SY-85. Specificially does it have the
waveform download capabilities of the SY-99.

Don't you mean "I hope the waveform download capabilities of the SY-85 aren't
as deliberately crippled as those on the SY-99"?

The answer is: they are. I saw one on Saturday. Sounds good, though I didn't
hear anything earthbreaking. An awful lot cheaper than the SY-99, here in the
UK anyway, with a pricetag of #1399 (US$2800 almost at the moment). For the
UK this makes it quite competitive, a bit more than the JV80 but not much,
and less than the Peavey DPM Se II or whatever they're calling the latest
version. I think spec and soundwise it outguns both of these, though ignoring
effects the JV-80 may actually have the synthesis edge (but no RAM, disk
drive, etc).

Looks pretty much the same as the 99 except for the 8 easy edit sliders.

Personally I don't think the waveform download function is much to write home
about, e.g. to start loading SIMMS you have to buy a board from Yamaha that
costs as much as 8meg of SIMMS, without having any memory on it. And then the
machine maxes out at 3.5meg. Still, even that's (slightly) better than the
99 I suppose.

I can't remember the exact details of the waveform RAM crippling, but remember
that Keyboard magazine described it in their review of the SY-99, and upon
reading that I instantly lost interest in these machines. Can someone remind
me/us? My conversation with the sales assistant was

Me: "is the RAM architecture as crippled as the SY-99?"
SA: "Yes".

Cheers,

Ross-c
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SY85
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:34:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.6
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <6669.9209021909@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle) writes:
>WARNING: Opinionated waffle follows.
>
>RLW@bitnet.ELAN asked about the SY-85. Specificially does it have the
>waveform download capabilities of the SY-99.
>
>Don't you mean "I hope the waveform download capabilities of the SY-85 aren't
>as deliberately crippled as those on the SY-99"?

Huh.  How is the SY99 crippled?  I find it very straight forward to load
user samples into an SY99 and setup a key map.

>I can't remember the exact details of the waveform RAM crippling, but remember
>that Keyboard magazine described it in their review of the SY-99, and upon
>reading that I instantly lost interest in these machines. Can someone remind
>me/us? 

I read the same review and recall that "Keyboard" was quite happy with
the waveform loading on the SY99 (they had one small gripe about the
default value loop mode parameter).

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MOTU changing their customer support ways??
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:46:14 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: arpraym@ac.dal.ca's message of 1 Sep 92 14:59:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.115937.7253@ac.dal.ca> arpraym@ac.dal.ca writes:

   I told Neil I would respond to r.m.s. and let 'yous guys' know that at least
   there is one person in customer support at MOTU who cares about you.

Hah, doesn't care about *me*! He never called me back... :-)

I have some problems with MOTU's stances on software standardisation (not
adopting OMS, hacking librarian/editor stuff into Performer, nonstandard
use of MIDI Manager, nonstandard drivers in the MTP configuration software,
etc. etc.) and will be approaching them on this; Performer and the MTP
integration is heading further and further out of field and it's taking
more of my energy and resources to keep my rig properly integrated with
the MIDI Manager and Opcode software I need to run, as well as PowerBook
compatibility (and that's another long story, he says, having just bought
a second one...).

Nick.
--
  Nick Rothwell, LFCS, Edinburgh | "Say, how many contemporary dancers are
               nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk |     there in this bar?"
CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens and
     cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk |     divide by two..."
From: vulcan@spartacus.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Whitman [SparcTech])
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Rackmount sampler recommendations
Date: 29 Aug 1992 08:52:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spartacus

In article <1992Aug28.230313.3678@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jpittas@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.pittas) writes:
>In article <73752E60A0200070@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU> WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU writes:
>>The TX16W is not a *BITCH* to use by all accounts. There are many happy
>>and loyal users of the beast, myself being one of them. The operating
>>system is not entirely intuitive and it is a bit slow in reading disks,
>>but most folks agree that it is the best sounding 12 bit sampler out
>>there, and it has a very large capacity and many features. Because of
>>the steep learning curve, you can get one pretty cheap. It doesn't have
>>an SCSI interface, but does have an RS422 interface and uses MX-DOS,
>>a mostly MS-DOS compatible interface. This, with programming would allow
>>you to store on a hard disk. Yeah, I know, with a dollar it would get
>>you a cup of coffee. Anyhoo, IMHO, the TX16W is worth considering seriously.
>
I second that!! 
Since I own 2 of them and use them both extensively, I can definately
say that it is a great instrument even with the learning curve.
In fact, once you get the hang of programming it you find that it is
actually an easier and more stright forward archetecture then most other 
samplers; it is more like a synth which happens to use sampled waveforms 
as the sound source. Additionally, it makes a great drum sampler using a 
combination of the 8 individual voice outputs along with the 2 mixed outputs.
Also, since the disk format is DOS compatable, I can easily store TX16W wave
files on my PC hard disk.
My $.02 worth.

-Jeff
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

In rec.music.synth, elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies) writes:

> At any rate, a notation program that does not allow you to easily
> override defaults such as this one is contemptible.

There is a tradeoff between ease-of-use and flexibility.  Notator does allow
many similar overrides - including whether you want a note that falls across
a beat to be written as a two tied eighths or a syncopated quarter note, but
is not as flexibile as, say, Finale.  On the other hand, in the average case,
it is an order of magnitude or two simpler to enter and manipulate most music
with Notator.  And the original selling point of Notator was that it was a
"world class sequencer with some pretty good notation facilities".  I find I'm
willing to live with the few limitations in exchange for the other things it
offers.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Sabatella           Winner, 1992 First Annual Bill Evans Lookalike Contest
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: glickman@hustat.harvard.edu (Mark Glickman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Any public domain MIDI bulk dump/load PC programs around?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:57:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug31.105726.15246
Distribution: world
Originator: glickman@hustat

Hi!  Does anyone know of any PC programs I can use to do
simple bulk dumps or bulk loads of midi data?  I checked the
files on ucsd.edu, but I'm not sure what to look for.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

                - Mark
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:18:51 EDT
From:         "Sean F. Jepson" <SJEPSON@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      D-70 Question?

I have been wanting to purchase a D-70 for some time now but have not
had the money to buy one. This past Saturday I visited a local music store
and the salesman told me that they no longer carry the keyboard and that it
will be discontinued by Roland.  He said he could special order the keyboard
but it would cost more since it was not bought in bulk quantity.  The price
he quoted was $1895.  I believe that the going rate was around $1650 or less
... am I right?  Has anyone heard about a new model which will replace the D-70
? I love the sounds but are the 30 tones enough when using 4 tone patchs and
playing chords, are there any cutoff problems?  Should I wait or try and
scrap up the money? Thanks for the advice ... Sean


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From: JSIMON@TRINITY.BITNET (Jonathon Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Looking for Leland Apedaile ("Dog")
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:32:09 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

Did you ever find him?  I've been trying to contact him too.
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Swap K4 sounds
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:21:16 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <guest.11@dhhalden.no> guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST) writes:
>Hi there!
>
>Is anybody interested in swapping sounds for the Kawai K4?
>
>Please contact if you do.
>
>ivind Ids

I have a collection of sounds for the K4. Email me if you want them.

Davei (davei@lancaster.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton)
Subject: Proteus/1 Sounds
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:55:02 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

	Are there any Proteus/1 sounds lurking on the net somewhere?

				Thanks

				Ken

-- 
Ken F Morton
kmorton@panix.com		"Good Tea, Nice house." -Worf
From: jhh@cwi.nl (Jaap Henk Hoepman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Your Choice Of SAMPLER Functions
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:53:35 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

Hello out there,

I'm considering to write a sampler program on a computer (Maybe the FALCON 030,
but that's of no concern right now). I have of course tried to list as many
features as possible which I think it should have. But of course, in cases
like this, one mind is really a limitation. 

So if anyone out there does have any suggestions about what to include and
what NOT to include, please mail them to me. I'm especially interested in things 
that bug you about currently sold samplers, or that do not exist (yet) in those
samplers.

Thanks for your attention...

Jaap Henk Hoepman
Center of Mathematics and Computer Science, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Email: jhh@cwi.nl

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: chaban@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Ed Chaban)
Subject: Re: DREAM WEAVER
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 27 AUG 92 16:18:20 PST


>In article <9208271140.aa26360@crdec8.apgea.army.mil> "James D. Johns" <jdjohns@CRDEC8.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> writes:
>OK all you veterans of r.m.s., I got a trivia question for
>ya:
>
>What synth(s) were used on Gary Wright's DREAM WEAVER, circa about 1974?
>
>
>                                      Dave
>--

Something makes me want to say he used Oberheims.

-Ed

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: nastasi@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joseph.l.nastasi)
Subject: Re: Parting with old synths
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:21:37 GMT
Summary: Just get a synclavier - NOT!

>  
> Well, apparently Kraftwerk had this problem. Their solution
> was to just sample their sound library and put it in a Synclavier.
> So, just get a Synclavier. Easy :-)
>  
> -Rick.

Oops, can't get one from New England Digital anymore since they
are basically belly up!!!  Of course, if the Synclavier user community
can't come up with a support structure, we'll probably see some
of those 700+ units that are out there for sale, here on the net! :-) 
How much would YOU spend for an extremely high-powered
synth/sampler/workstation/can opener/air pump/ad-nausem
that doesn't have any support.

I know many of you feel major pain when you have to sell your
$6000 synth for $500 four years later.  Imagine these guys
when they find out their $250,000 to > $500,000 investment is
worth a tenth of that overnight!  Geez!  I'm glad I sold my
Moog Opus 3 along time ago!  Only lost a couple of hundred
on that!  :-)

> --------------- cut here ----- here ------- or here -----------
> Rick Jansen                  | e-mail: Rick@SARA.NL
> SARA System Support Dept.    |         SSCPRICK@HASARA11.Bitnet

Joe Nastasi
AT&T, Middletown, NJ
(908) 957-6365 7am-4pm EST M-F
From: ebumfr@ebu.ericsson.se (Mike Rembis 6259)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Wavestation SR
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:50:31 GMT
Reply-To: ebumfr@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.

Has anyone seen this new rack'er ?  It's a 1-U space rackmount Wavestation EX.
It looks like the same packaging as the M3R. AND it accepts M3 PCM cards.
No analog inputs - list price at either $1399 I think.


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