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From: wadley@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (A.Loser)
Subject: Re: Results: 1992 best Australian release poll
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:39:51 GMT

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:


>for had no release details (volvox stuff) - I think they're on cassette,
>but the person who voted for them might like to post a rave?

Both VOLVOX releases are C60 cassettes. They're great.
You can get them by sending six dollars (per tape) to

Volvox tape offer
GPO box 2637
Melbourne 3001

Put in an extra three dollars and ask for the SPILL compilation cassette:
ninety minutes of songs by 26 leading Australian acts,
including an otherwise unavailable Volvox track.

Xref: sparky aus.music:1978 rec.music.misc:29771
From: dms@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (David Mcgregor SQUIRE)
Subject: Rob Clarkson
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:07:12 GMT

So, does anyone out there (i.e. Brian) know if Rob Clarkson is going to be
in Melbourne during January, and if so when and where?

-- 
Squizz
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Rob Clarkson
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 02:39:29 GMT


In article <9236413.8167@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dms@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (David Mcgregor SQUIRE) writes:
|> So, does anyone out there (i.e. Brian) know if Rob Clarkson is going to be
|> in Melbourne during January, and if so when and where?

Well, He'll be at The Club on NY eve, so that counts as Jan 1st!  Although....
he will be on _before_ midnight.......... (with Times Bakery, The Plums
and Warner Brothers....Plums headlining)  I've even seen T shirts for this
gig!

brian
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From: disseldo@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Andrew Disseldorp)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Achtung! I need a U2 tour....
Date: 22 Dec 1992 02:35:40 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Dpt of Surveying and Land Information
Distribution: aus
Reply-To: disseldo@sunburn.UUCP (Andrew Disseldorp)
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In article <summer.724983074@murillo> summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) writes:
[stuff about manipulating the world media and fans in general deleted]

>But let's not get too enthusiastic.  Bear in mind that the reason we may
>never get to see this spectacular show in Australia is that U2 (and/or
>their management?) claim that they can't make it pay.  If the message is
>so important, then surely they can afford to make a small loss?  What
>about their fans over here?  (This is U2, not TISM -- the abuse of the
>fans is *not* all part of the act!)  In any case, it is hard to measure
>the impact of a tour in financial terms, because it sells albums -- not
>just the current one, but previous and future ones as well.

	The band will only play outdoor shows - so that they don't get 
stuck playing 9 indoor shows in the one venue, getting	bored.
Hey you can understand that.  However to play stadium
tours, they will now only hide behind the whole visual kaboodle. They 
will not go back to having a video screen echoing whats going on stage
for the people in the cheap seats. Its like me changing from my nice
work car to my buzzbox escort. It takes a while to adjust to the
different responses. Could you imagine trying to keep 50,000+ people
happy while adjusting to having less to hide behind?  

	The message might be important, but look at it from Paul McG.'s
point of view. A country of 17 million people, that is really remote, 
and has huge problems with allowing an outdoor concert to go ahead. Is
it worth the effort? No, especially when it will return a loss. 

	Tickets will probably cost more then $50, which is a lot of money 
for your average teenage fan to spend. These teenagers might not be the
bands main audience, but a lot of them will attend, and take the bad seats,
for the "I was there" boast factor. Tapping into this market will be
vital for any outdoor U2 show to even get close to break even point.
So what do you go for? Average ticket prices ($45 - $48) or price
tickets at cost of provision levels ($55 - $65???)

	Unfortunately for an established act like U2 future album sales
are really a minor contributor to the overall bottom line of a tour.

>On the basis of the special, I would almost be prepared to plan an overseas
>trip around seeing the show -- if I were planning an overseas trip anyway.
>Which I'm not.

	Anyone want to go to Portugal this May/June ?

Andrew
(disseldo@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au)
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From: raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
Subject: Glide lose guitarist
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:57:19 GMT

Although I missed Glide's last gig for 1992 (because I was at The
Hummingbirds and Underground Lovers) I did find out that Tim, Glide's
lead guitarist, is leaving the band.  Apparently his day job is taking
more of his time, yet Glide aren't doing well enough yet for him to
become a full-time musician.
-- 
Andrew Raphael <raphael@research.canon.oz.au>
    "She's probably not what she seems, though she tries..."
From: Annette.Scott@f364.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Annette Scott)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Anyone know when THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS are touring?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:39:34

Hey, I don't know, but when you find out, let me know too. I missed their tour
back in 90<?>. And kicked myself.. I love Birdhouse in you Soul, and Whistling
in the Dark. Have a Good New Year!

... Netta

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: scienger@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert INNES)
Subject: Re: JJJ take it off.. no way!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:32:32 GMT

dyfl@kbs.citri.edu.au (Daniel Lam) writes:

>carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:
>>The greedy right as ever being selfish about their taxes. And I suppose
>>you also oppose public health, public schools, legal aid, free education
>>and anything else you don't see as getting personal benefit from. Fuck
>>the society eh? Who needs community spirit? Every capatilist for himself!

>Yes, I oppose all these things, but not because I don't get personal
>benefits from them.  I do.  Take tertiary education, which is
>currently partially government-subsidized.  I, who I admit is quite
>well off, and others like me who attend university, are being
>subsidized by those who don't get tertiary education, who are likely
>to be poorer.

>The last thing I want is to "fuck society".  The characteristic of a
>market economy is social cooperation under the division of labour.
>It is the socialists who want to replace voluntary social cooperation
>with compulsion and coercion.

>--
>	Daniel Lam			Phone 	+61 3 2822426
>	Melbourne, Australia		Fax   	+61 3 2822490

Guys the header for this news group is Aus.music !!! Go take your discussion
to Aus.music.political.social.hatred.bullshit. :)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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We have a cure for you isolation. It's called PWEI-zation.
 
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From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Subject: Re: The Lam philosophy (was Re: JJJ...)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:53:33 GMT

In article <dyfl.724902954@phobos>, dyfl@kbs.citri.edu.au (Daniel Lam) writes:
> 
> Well you have to keep them alive and fit enough to render useful
> services.
> 

You just don't get it, do you man?

Slaves are _expendable_ -- you don't care how fit they are.
Once one has served its purpose you get another one.  That's
how it works.

How can you be so ignorant of history.  Look at the industrial
revolution -- the people got screwed.

When the market worth of people approaches zero you can do
whatever the damn hell you like when _you_ have the money.

While we're talking about market worth, what d'yer reckon
the market worth of your own 20 years is?


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``When the going gets wierd, the weird turn pro...''
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK)
Subject: Re: Save Vic!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:43:54 GMT

taso@munnari.OZ.AU (Taso Hatzi) writes:

>Robert Noel STURROCK (rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU) wrote:
>: 
>: the strength of the unions.  You seem to be of the opinion that they have
>: some sort of special relationship with Labour; when in fact the Cain

>The trade union movement figured prominently in the formation of the
>Australian Labour Party.

That was a long time ago.  If you believe that the union movement today
exerts any significant influence on the ALP, you are sadly mistaken.


Rob
From: taso@munnari.OZ.AU (Taso Hatzi)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Save Vic!
Date: 27 Dec 1992 22:54:54 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: aus
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Robert Noel STURROCK (rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU) wrote:
: 
: the strength of the unions.  You seem to be of the opinion that they have
: some sort of special relationship with Labour; when in fact the Cain

The trade union movement figured prominently in the formation of the
Australian Labour Party. The unions tip non-trivial sums of cash
into party coffers and even now regard the ALP as their own
political instrument.  Older ALP stalwarts firmly believe that the
party should be accountable to the unions.

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From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Fightback! the politics and the sums
Organization: Telecom Australia Research Laboratories
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.072118.9951@cs.su.oz.au> yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga)
writes:

>They are also useful keywords for switching off in a conversation. 

which you did long ago.
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From: hoconnel@iti.org (Heath O'Connell)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: GST - double tax?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:43:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au

Michael Pilling writes:

>Come one now, massive tax cuts for the rich, not so for the
>poor(because they already pay less tax). Taxing people who
>were never taxed before - an inability to compensate people
>who have saved for the one off devaluation of their
>money.

"Not so for the poor", the Coalition would raise the tax free threshold from
$5,400 to $7,000, and similarly would lower the tax rate for people earning
less than $20,000. As for them never being taxed before, they must have shown
remarkable restraint never to have bought petrol or chocolate biscuits.

>>I don't own one of your crystal balls, I tend to vote purely
>>on the basis of past performance (in the case of governments)

>In that case you would vote labor I presume.

	Good past performances, or bad? I guess Ray was not specific (I can't
think of any other reason why this presumption could have been made).



--
		hoconnel@adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au
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From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Fightback II! - Fightback meets Godzilla
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:28:25 GMT

Well, Ray, I guess you must be in a real quandry now. After you put
all that effort into defending Fightback Mk I, the weak-kneed leader
goes and strips out all that good "incentivation" tax cutting, and
makes the whole package look like something from the Labor Party.
How will we ever afford a BMW now?

I guess you'll have to vote for Keating now to prevent the bleeding
heart liberals taking over the country; or do you know something that
we don't?

Enquiring minds want to know...
-- 
Chris Maltby - Softway Pty Ltd		Internet: chris@softway.sw.oz.au

PHONE:	+61-2-698-2322	"I'm waiting for X-Windows to become just that;
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From: John.Daly@f301.n670.z3.fidonet.org (John Daly)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Fightback! the politics and the sums
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:38:00

TO: speednut@werple.apana.org.au
 ss > >>What analysis says that it is better for the poor? I challenge you
 ss > >>show me how the poor are going to be better off under fightback. Go
 ss > >>on, prove it.
 
It is quite clear that Paul Keating and the ALP have a much better 
rapport with the poor than does the Coalition.
 
That's why Keating created so many of them.
 
John Daly
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From: joe@csource.oz.au (Joe Slater)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Save Vic!
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 10:33:00

Saturday December 26 1992, rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU writes to All:

rcmOA> I for one, was not perfectly happy.  I think you grossly overestimate
rcmOA> the strength of the unions.  You seem to be of the opinion that they
rcmOA> have some sort of special relationship with Labour; when in fact the
rcmOA> Cain Labour government put a great deal of effort into dismantling and
rcmOA> weakening the unions in Victoria.

Senior members of the Victorian Labor Government - including John Cain - have
made public statements to the effect that they *tried* to introduce change, but
were stymied by unions. It is a great pity that they neither did anything about
this, or admitted it before they were thrown from office.

jds

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: The Lam philosophy (was Re: JJJ...)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 11:57:22 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

Original Message From: dyfl@kbs.citri.edu.au (Daniel Lam)
 
>>I suppose it depends on how well you beat the slaves. They might not
>>be as productive as paid workers but the BIG difference is you don't
>>pay slaves!
>
>Well you have to keep them alive and fit enough to render useful
>services.
 
But still you don't have to pay them!
 
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON)
Subject: Re: Save Vic!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:15:53 GMT

Fernando.Jose.Olmos@f366.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Fernando Jose Olmos) writes:
>          being wiped out like flies and for what ? To save a
>          few million ? To then spend that money on pay-rises
>          for themselves ? Why is this happening ? More

	Unfortunately it appears that you have been sucked in by the Unions
who would love everyone to believe that Kennet gave himself and his ministers
a pay rise. The facts of the matter are that about 9 (?) got rises (and Phil
Gude rejected his) and about 60-90 (?) got pay cuts. 

I suggest that you find out the truth before you go shooting your mouth off to 
the papers next time.

>          further reduce the number of schools, and even get
>          rid of public transport all-together. Who do you

Where do you hear such rubbish? Obviously the Union mis-information campaign
is doing wonders. The PTC is already running better (trams more frequently and
on time) under the Liberals. And so what if we lost public transport (even 
though I *do* use it) - the public transport system loses 6 million dollars
a day! That's $6 million which everyone loses, not just these "rich" people
you feel so strongly against. You can thank Labour for selling our trains and
then leasing them back off Japan for this huge daily loss.

>          workers are joining the queues because they are
>          considered 'in excess'. At a time when unemployment

	I consider workers in excess when Alan Brown can make do with 2-3 
personal assistants when Spyker had nearly 20!

>          enterprises for better growth. It beats me how the
>          government is creating jobs by putting more people
>          on the dole.

	Unfortunately, like *ANY* business, when the State is going broke staff
are cut back. It's as simple as that.

>          This state is going into a one-way road to chaos,

	Well, if it's on a one-way road to chaos I imagine it was on a one-way
road to oblivion under Labour.

>          How about petitions to the government to stop our
>          schools from being closed ? Letters to Mr. Kennett
>          stating that you will never vote for them again;
>          either state or federal - they only hear the polls

	Where were all you people (and the Unions) when Labour was wrecking the
State - you seemed perfectly happy to sit along for the ride into hell then!

	I hope you being equally vigilent in your objections towards the Keating
government - remember that the Unemployment figure is bad *nationally* and this
*was* the recession we *had* to have...

Chris.
From: rns@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert Noel STURROCK)
Subject: Re: Hewson carefully shoots himself in the foot-in-mouth.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:43:56 GMT

crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:

>I also think John Hewson is perhaps the greates leader this country has ever
                                         ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
Are you serious?  How can possibly even begin to suggest that Hewson is
a great leader?  You need to examine the facts.  Australia is in very
dire economic straits.  Unemployment has reached intolerable levels,
and the Labor government Australia-wide has taken an unprecedented pounding.
Despite all of this, Hewson and his "coalition" are still unable to maintain
a decisive position in the polls.  Neither the Australian public nor
business have embraced Hewson or his policies.  As for his performances
in parliamant, we all know that "labour's number one brawler", Keating,
tears Hewson to shreds, who presently looks beaten and without confidence
in what he is saying.  The recent back-pedal in policy illustrates this.

>seen - he will bring back some dignity to the role of prime minister that
>Bob "Ocker" Hawke and Paul "Republican" Keating have destroyed.

Perhaps "ockerness" and "republicanism" are what Australians like to
see, since they have clearly embraced both of the above leaders to
a far greater extent than they have Hewson.  I think labour are a safe
bet at the next federal election.

>>On another note, if food must be exempted (or zero-rated or whatever)
>>because the GST is going to cripple the already disadvantaged, what
>>excuse is there for keeping it on rent?

>So only poor people rent?

Mostly.


Rob
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: dyfl@kbs.citri.edu.au (Daniel Lam)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: The Lam philosophy
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:28:29 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute

harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood) writes:
>So, basically what you are saying is that in your system, people vote with
>their dollars. The more dollars you have, the more your vote counts.
>I was brought up in Queensland where some people had more voting power than
>others. I did not enjoy it and I would not suffer it to happen again.

This is an imperfect analogy.  Firstly, political elections have much
cruder outcomes.  Some candidates win, others lose.  If your
candidate loses, that's it.  In the marketplace, every dollar spent
has an effect on production.  Your tastes do not have to be shared by
the majority to be served.  Seconldy, you cannot exercise market
influence without risking its loss.  In political elections, you get
one vote at every election.  In the marketplace, if you spend your
wealth in a way that does not meet with the consumers' approval, you
will lose it.  All said, it is of course true that rich people will
have more influence than poor people.  After all, what do you think
wealth is?

--
	Daniel Lam			Phone 	+61 3 2822426
	Melbourne, Australia		Fax   	+61 3 2822490

In my opinion, the opinions expressed here are my personal opinions.
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter)
Subject: Re: Fightback II! - Fightback meets Godzilla
Organization: Monash University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:28:53 GMT

In article <chris.724908505@suite.sw.oz.au> chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:
>Well, Ray, I guess you must be in a real quandry now. After you put
>all that effort into defending Fightback Mk I, the weak-kneed leader
>goes and strips out all that good "incentivation" tax cutting, and
>makes the whole package look like something from the Labor Party.
So what have we seen - Hewson is (perhaps!) as weak-kneed as Keating?
Have you really so short a memory that you have forgot Keating's
big retreat from the GST?
Which is just one more example of how you can't win. If you change
your policy in relation to perceived voter feelings, your enemies call
you weak-kneed. If you don't, then you're an arrogant dictator
(even worse than that Kennett?).
>How will we ever afford a BMW now?
Must ask Keating how he does it - eh? Since when did it become a crime
to want a system where one can prosper? (Oh, I can here the simple glib
reply now - "since your prosperity comes at the expense of others." Trouble
is that such simple minded approaches usually lead to lesser average
prosperity and a general anti-tall poppy syndrome.)
BTW *I* don't want a BMW anyway but even if I did I can't see
it's relevance to rights or wrongs of national economic policy.
>
>I guess you'll have to vote for Keating now to prevent the bleeding
>heart liberals taking over the country; or do you know something that
>we don't?
>
>Enquiring minds want to know...
I guess that's close to a tautology.

Interestingly, if you are even half serious in the above, then it
would appear that you will be voting for Hewson yourself. You claim
the new fightback is "like something from the labor party" so
presumably you don't object to it. Hewson is at worst as
weak-kneed as Keating and at least he hasn't claimed
we needed a recession and that he delivered it deliberately. Looks
a pretty one sided competition from your standpoint - when are you
going to start handing out Liberal how to vote cards
(Yeh. Enquiring minds want.......)

Merry Xmas from an atheist.
d.s.
-- 
David Suter - Dept. of Electrical and
Computer Systems Engineering, Monash University,
Clayton, Vic. 3168, Australia
ph 565 5682 Fax 565 3454
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