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From: bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu (David E. Bernholdt)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: desktop publishing vs. the old fashioned way
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:15:37 GMT
Organization: Quantum Theory Project, University of Florida


This may sound a little funny, but it is not meant as a rhetorical
question...

Most of the talk on this group is about SGML for desktop publishing,
online retrieval/searching of documents, etc. -- the common theme
being electronic.

Do publishing houses (the kind that generate paper output :-) use SGML
yet?  Obviously they're going to use some kind of markup language when
they put the document into production.  Is it likely to be SGML?  Will
it ever be?  Can you ask a publisher for their book/journal/whatever
DTD in order to write your document using it?

This is analagous to the recurring question on TeX newsgroups/mailing
lists -- which publishers/journals/etc. will accept a TeX document?

If the answer is that there _are_ publishers using SGML, then I wonder
what their DTDs are like.  Have they all adopted (say) the AAP stuff,
or (like in the TeX world) does everyone have their own?  Obviously it
should be easier to standardize DTDs than TeX macro packages.

You can stop laughing now, I'm done :-)
-- 
David Bernholdt			bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu
Quantum Theory Project		bernhold@ufpine.bitnet
University of Florida
Gainesville, FL  32611		904/392 6365
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: yuri@sq.com (Yuri Rubinsky)
Subject: SGML '92: Call for Sentences
Followup-To: yuri@sq.com
Keywords: SGML activities, initiatives, projects
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:16:15 GMT


Each year I open the SGML Conference with a whirlwind "The Year in Review"
talk, which attempts to enumerate, in 20 minutes, all that's going on in the
world of SGML today. The task is getting harder each year, as you can
imagine, with so much interesting work popping up all over.
 
Accordingly, I'm turning to readers of this and other newsgroups/lists
for help.
 
Please send me a one-to-three sentence description of any SGML activities
that should be included -- even if you're an old friend and think that
I'll remember to include your work anyway.
 
I'm looking specifically under the topic areas of:
        Interesting Corporate SGML Activities
        Major New Public Applications or Initiatives
	New Work of Existing Initiatives
        Publications (new or forthcoming)
        Related Standards Activity
        Research Projects
        Software Product Announcements
	Interesting Miscellany
 
Even topics that are part of the SGML '92 conference schedule could be sent
if you feel there is recent work which I should highlight -- almost a small
promotion for the presentation later in the week.
 
Please note that I will not be crediting sources in my speech. The text
of the talk will be posted to comp.text.sgml and submitted to <TAG>
and the Newsletter of the International SGML Users' Group. Both these
newsletters published last year's talk, and, if my memory serves me well,
perhaps the year before too.
 
You may submit your synopses via email, fax or phone, simply leaving me
a message if I'm not available. Please indicate some way I can contact you
if I have questions about your contribution. I'd prefer you not use the
postal services as I need this material by Oct. 16.
 
In case I don't have the opportunity to thank you individually later,
thank you in advance for participating in this new exercise in international
multi-platform collaborative workgroup speechwriting.


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Chairman, SGML '92                      (800) 387-2777 (from U.S. only)
SoftQuad Inc.				uucp: {uunet,utzoo}!sq!yuri
Suite 810 56 Aberfoyle Cres.		Internet: yuri@sq.com
Toronto, Ontario, Canada M8X 2W4	Fax: (416) 239-7105
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml,comp.text
From: mxm@ornl.gov (MASON J D)
Subject: Re: ISO 10445????
Keywords: ISO/DIS10445, computerscripts, electronic manuscripts
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:57:22 GMT

DIS 10445, on the preparation of computerscripts/manuscripts
is being prepared by TC 46, which is basically library science. Most of
what's in the text has to do with ISO standards for bibliographic
entries, etc. SGML is mentioned a couple of times, but there's nothing
of use for developing DTDs, applications and the like. WG8 just finished
commenting on it; our opinion was that the text in general needs some
cleanup, but that it was basically irrelevant to the SGML community.

James David Mason
Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC18/WG8


Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: Jeff_Lloyd.wgc1:rx.xerox.com (Jeff Lloyd)
Subject: SMDL - X3V1.8M/SD-7
Reply-To: Jeff_Lloyd.wgc1:rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:46:57 GMT

Hi,

I'm look for the latest specifications for the following standard.

              Standard Musical Description Language
                          X3V1.8M/SD-7

The latest version if have is "Jun 16 1988". Does anyone know where I
could obtain the latest version? If fact is anyone using this standard?

I am currently developing software and I would like to check this to see
if it is of any use.

So, if you know how/where to obtain this, or, are using it, or know anything
about it's development since June 1988 please let me know.

All information greatfully accepted.

Regards
Jeff

--
Jeff Lloyd                                       Rank Xerox Ltd. Bessemer Road
Jeff_Lloyd.wgc1:rx.xerox.com                     Welwyn Garden City, England.
Res.Tel. 0438-816326                             Tel: 0707-383025
   ==================== Musical Software Engineer =========================
From: SGML@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: How to get started
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:22:35 GMT

Alasdair Grant <ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk> writes:
|
|   Strange. I read "Practical SGML" after "an author's guide" and kept
|   thinking "Is he going to mention LINKs, SGML declaration, data tags
|   etc."  (answer usually "no") and "this is explained rather
|   confusingly". It did offer some perspectives on CALS & EDI etc., and
|   listed a few products (probably out of date by now) but it is rather
|   sketchy. It is unfair, but having once had to deal with large
|   amounts of Eric's Rexx code, I was perhaps overly conscious of a
|   lack of rigour in his book. I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a
|   first book, and it's probably unnecessary altogether if one has read
|   lots of <TAG>s (which I _still_ haven't got hold of...)

Yes, it's sketchy.  It can tend to gloss over many things, and it
doesn't really take you into the "realm of SGML".  I think the title
says so, however.  "Practical SGML" doesn't suggest an elucidation of
each and every feature, nor does it suggest a thorough treatment of the
matter.  Overall and over time, I have come to appreciate the approach,
especially the tables.  As Deborah Lapeyre wrote in the summary to her
review in <TAG> #16, October 1990:

    This book is not a perfect book.  This is not the general SGML
    introduction that explains everything that all SGML users are still
    looking for.  This book is a very personal volume, sort of "Travels
    Through the Land of SGML Software and What I Found There".  You will
    want to read it for the same reason that you read any other travel
    volume: to acquire vicarious experience before trying out the real
    thing; to act as a guide to unfamiliar and uncharted territory; to
    compare another traveler's impressions with your own.  This book
    packs a lot of SGML application experience into one volume.

    Along the way, the author describes some fascinating SGML
    application, details some of the very real problems an SGML'er is
    likely to face, provides some useful pointers and DTD samples, and
    provides a good programmer-oriented introduction to SGML.


Still, I would recommend this over a book which includes everything, and
made my brain go "ALARM! OVERLOAD!" on page 30.  Which author cares
whether things are called "stago", "tagc", "mdo", etc?  It confused the
hell out of me, anyway.  Matter of fact, I found the "raw" standard
easier reading.  I didn't understand "entity" for a long time because I
got a bad start from reading "An Author's Guide -- NOT!" first.

Unfortunately, there are no other introductory books than the three
mentioned.  Of course, there's the comp.text.sgml archives.  The only
thing I'm sorry about is that I started archiving this thing so late.

Best regards,
</Erik>
--
Erik Naggum             :  ISO  8879 SGML     :      +47 295 0313
                        :  ISO 10744 HyTime   :
<erik@naggum.no>        :  ISO 10646 UCS      :      Memento, terrigena.
<enag@ifi.uio.no>       :  ISO  9899 C        :      Memento, vita brevis.
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: rogers_m@watson.bms.com (MICHAEL ROGERS)
Subject: Re: desktop publishing vs. the old fashioned way
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:12:00 GMT

In article <37239@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu (David E. Bernholdt) writes...
> 
>This may sound a little funny, but it is not meant as a rhetorical
>question...
> 
>Most of the talk on this group is about SGML for desktop publishing,
>online retrieval/searching of documents, etc. -- the common theme
>being electronic.
> 
>Do publishing houses (the kind that generate paper output :-) use SGML
>yet?  Obviously they're going to use some kind of markup language when
>they put the document into production.  Is it likely to be SGML?  Will
>it ever be?  Can you ask a publisher for their book/journal/whatever
>DTD in order to write your document using it?
> 
>This is analagous to the recurring question on TeX newsgroups/mailing
>lists -- which publishers/journals/etc. will accept a TeX document?
> 
>If the answer is that there _are_ publishers using SGML, then I wonder
>what their DTDs are like.  Have they all adopted (say) the AAP stuff,
>or (like in the TeX world) does everyone have their own?  Obviously it
>should be easier to standardize DTDs than TeX macro packages.
> 
>You can stop laughing now, I'm done :-)
>-- 
>David Bernholdt			bernhold@qtp.ufl.edu
>Quantum Theory Project		bernhold@ufpine.bitnet
>University of Florida
>Gainesville, FL  32611		904/392 6365
I know that ACS is using SGML to produce Chem. & Eng. News.  A fellow named
Richard Love has given presentations re: SGML at recent ACS meetings.  Their
objective is to use the DTD to convert the text of C&EN to an 
online-searchable version of the journal.  R. Love seems to be a big proponent 
of SGML, and they are promoting it as a std. for submitted MS, so perhaps he 
might have some ideas about DTD's that he would share w/ you.

Sorry, I don't have an address for Love, but believe he is in Wash. D.C. @ 
ACS.
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: cew@bat.gsfc.nasa.gov (ASTS Craig E Warsaw)
Subject: MAN page question: sequential page numbering
Reply-To: cwarsaw@cen.com
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:21:55 GMT

I am posting this for a co-worker.  If you can not respond directly to
him, I will forward any replies to him.

================================================================

Does anyone know how to print a SERIES of man pages such that
the page numbers don't reset to the number 1 for each separate
man file? I should mention that each man file begins with a
directive to run the page thru "tbl" before running "[nt]roff".
For example:

'\" t
.\" Above is to invoke "tbl". MUST BE FIRST LINE OF FILE.
.\" Disable hyphenation below.
.nh

.TH Whatever 3 "Last Modified: 2 Oct 1992" "Product"
.SH NAME
Whatever  - one-line description
	...

.\"  TABLE
.TS
	...
.TE

.\" BACK TO nroff
.SH SEE ALSO

I have no problem running "man" on these files, but now
I want to print a set of them with sequential numbering for a manual.
Any help would be greatly apreciated.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Sall
ksall@cen.com                        ks@bat.gsfc.nasa.gov

Century Computing, Inc.              TAE Plus project
Laurel, MD 20707                     under contract to:
(301) 953-3330                       NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
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Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: sc@sup.stollmann.de (Wilfried Schwartz)
Subject: ELAN troff
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:50:30 GMT
Organization: Stollmann GmbH, D-2000 Hamburg 50, Germany

	Hi Netlanders,

	   I'm not sure whether this is the right newsgroup to post to.
	Please excuse me, if I'm wrong.

	   In 1988 I started using ELAN troff under MS-DOS to write
	some of my papers (I'm normally working with UNIX). I like it
	(please no flames!) and I wish to buy an updated version for
	my PC at home. ELAN's address in Palo Alto (from 1988) was
	wrong. Is somebody out there, who can tell me the current
	mail (or email) address of the ELAN Computer Group? Are there
	other companies selling troff for MS-DOS or WINDOWS 3.1? If you
	have any information please reply via email (I can't read the
	news in regular intervals).

	   Thanks in advance,
				Wilfried
	
	P.S.: Please don't tell me anything about 'groff'.

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Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 09:34:40 MDT
From: kelly@baloo.ee.byu.edu (J. Kelly Flanagan)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: EQN and DELL UNIX


	I am using DELL UNIX (Sys V r4) and the troff etc that comes
	with  this distrobution has some problems with the eqn
	program.

	The eqn program does not result in proper spacing on
	expressions such as a over b.  Also subscripts are not spaced
	properly.

	We do the following
		tbl file | eqn | troff -Tpost | dpost > out.ps

	Has anyone had similar problems?  Is there a fix?

Kelly
kelly@ee.byu.edu

--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: cmu.cs.general,comp.text
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 19:22:08 -0400 
From: Fred Hansen <wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Newsletter from Andrew Consortium

The September, 1992 edition of the Andrew View, newsletter of the Andrew
Consortium, is available for anonymous ftp from 

	emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu  (128.2.45.40)

as ./newsletters/92Sept.d.   Subdirectories ASCII and PostScript contain
versions for the ATK-deprived.

If you haven't got ftp access, please send mail to 
	info-andrew-request@andrew.cmu.edu

Fred Hansen
Director, Andrew Consortium

PS:  You can try AUIS remotely.  For instructions:
	finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz)
Subject: Keyboard traversal management in new OLIT
Reply-To: scott@statsci.com
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc., Seattle, WA USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:51:43 GMT

Is there any documentation or sample code that does things like:
    -change the order in which the widgets are visited using the TAB/et al keys
    -remove a widget from the traversal order
    -handle the traversal in a widget of my own.

Is the "traversalOn" resource the key resource to know about? I still want to
know how to deal with it a widget of my own devising.

I'm running a client that is using the OLIT v3 as distributed with Sun's
OpenWindows v3 package. I have the Young & Pew book, and they talk about it
some, but it is all in the context of a verify callback on a TextField. We
don't have paper copies of the relevant documentation, and we're working on
setting up the AnswerBook stuff for it.

Another question...can someone let me know who I might get in touch with to
get the source distribution to OLIT?

Thanx!
--
Scott Blachowicz    Ph: 206/283-8802x240      USPS:  Statistical Sciences, Inc
                                                      1700 Westlake Ave N #500
scott@statsci.com / uunet!statsci!scott                Seattle, WA USA   98109
..or..     Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: nicwi@isy.liu.se (Niclas Wiberg)
Subject: Re: order of execution of my .xinitrc file
Reply-To: nicwi@isy.liu.se
Organization: Linkoping University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:36:00 GMT

Edward J. Hartnett writes:
> ... I suppose that
>each of these lines goes off at it's own pace (as they're all placed
>in the background. So i guess emacs just does it's work quickest,
>that's why it comes up first. Is this correct? Is there any way to
>make emacs come up last?
Look at the "toolwait" utility (in OpenWindows 3.0).

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Niclas Wiberg                         nicwi@isy.liu.se
Dept. of EE    Linkoping University   Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:52:42 PDT
From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Subject: Re: Parser for Mathematical equations

Someone asked for a parser for mathematical equations on the net
about two weeks ago. This just came to my attention. Since I do
not know his e-mail address , I am posting this in hopes that he
will see it. This from a package called dstool which does
wonderful dynamical systems simulation using xview3 and ow3.
Even tho' I have ported xview3 to concurrent I have not tried
it on a concurrent yet. But I think I will..Enjoy

Sinan


----INCLUDED MESSAGE 9trimmed)------------------------------------------------------------
A new release of dstool is now on the ftp server macomb.tn.cornell.edu. 

Below is a description:

------

Version 1.1 of dstool contains useful new features, but is primarily a 
bug fixing release. 
..................
Major new features present in the release are:

	a) A Poincare section mode in the orbits panel. Layered on top of 
	the standard dstool event stopping code, Poincare sections can be
	computed  with respect to surfaces that are unions of level sets
	of phase space variables or auxiliary functions. The mode is selected
	from the "Stopping Condition" choice field of the orbits panel.

	b) A Parser window to allow input of dynamical systems without 
	recompilation. The parser also generates dstool model files 
	which can then be compiled for faster performance. Use of the 
	parser is selected from the models menu of the 	command panel. 
	Documentation is in the directory $DSTOOL/contrib/parserwin/doc, 
	and there is a man page in $DSTOOL/man

...etc....
..........
..........
From: fgreco@fis1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: How to get a selected string from a panel_list ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:01:07 GMT

> Aha! You may say, and FTP yourself V3.1. Now all of the attributes the book talks
> about are available to you. But you get a replacement problem, namely that some
> functions new in this version make the whole program fall over terminally when
> you call them. I think for the moment I shall have to go back to 3.0 and put
> up with not being able to use some of the features in the book. 

	Which routines are those?  We'd all like to know so we can avoid
	them ourselves.

> Is anybody out there using edition 3 (or later, if there is one) of the books?
> Have you got libraries that support all the features, including 
> PANEL_LIST_INSERT_STRINGS and things, without falling over? If so, please tell
> us all where to get it. 

	I have been using PANEL_LIST_INSERT_STRINGS in my 3.0 XView
	pgms without problems.  What types of errors are you getting?

	Frank G.
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Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:4045 comp.lang.lisp:2594
From: bam+@cs.cmu.edu (Brad Myers)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: LispView ?'s for Open-look
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:15:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvpMMM.GE0.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

>1)  How does one do a refresh/repaint of a panel from LispView on the Sun?   
>2)  Is there a way to get multi-line text-fields (again from LispView)?  
>3)  ...  I'm trying to read double clicks on the mouse.
>Thanks,
>Matt Cutts -- uk02914@ukpr.uky.edu or mdcutts@afterlife.ncsc.mil



It probably doesn't matter to you but the Garnet UIDE for Lisp and X/11
does 1) refresh automatically, 2) has built-in support for multi-line,
multi-font text, with mouse-based editing, and 3) built-in support for
double-clicking (just specify the event as :double-leftdown instead of
:leftdown or whatever).

More details on Garnet are available by fingering garnet@a.gp.cs.cmu.edu.

Brad A. Myers
School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
5000 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3890
(412) 268-5150
FAX: (412) 681-5739
bam@a.gp.cs.cmu.edu
From: vidya-v@acsu.buffalo.edu (vidyaranya)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: OLIT - _XtQString undefined???
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:56:52 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: vidya-v@beatrix.eng.buffalo.edu


I get the following RUN TIME message when I run a program using
Open Look Widgets and OLIT.

ld.so: Undefined symbol: _XtQString

OR,

Warning: Shell Widget class BaseWindowShell binary compiled for R3
Warning: Cannot convert string "lucidasans-bold" to type FontStruct

OR,

Warning: Shell Widget class BaseWindowShell binary compiled for R3
OPEN LOOK Toolkit Error in application "(null)": Could not load Scrollbar font

What environment variables have to be set so that I can run the program?

Will appreciate replies directly to me at:
vidya-v@acsu.buffalo.edu OR
vidya-v@eng.buffalo.edu


Thanks
Vidyaranya.
From: foley@meteor.wisc.edu (Jonathan Foley)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: adding X11 to OpenWindows 3.0
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:45:13 GMT
Reply-To: foley@meteor.wisc.edu
Organization: Center for Climatic Research, Univ. Wisconsin

Could someone tell me how to install a .snf font into openwindows
so that I may use it with an application?  Thanks very much,
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