HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hsu_wes@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Wesleyan Hsu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Volts vs. amps
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:57:50 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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In article <1k2q8hINNd1g@life.ai.mit.edu> rwed@gnu.ai.mit.edu (N7YVM) writes:
>In article <C1G52r.HK2@ns1.nodak.edu> jgreff@plains.NoDak.edu (Jason Greff) writes:
>>is the killer.  Specifically the minimum is 100 milliamps, it may take
>>more depending on the situation.

OK, here's my 2 cents.  I'm just a student in electrical engineering, and
I've only taken one class in biomedical engineering.

What I have learned is that current is the killer.  These numbers that
people are throwing around all depend on the situation.  100mA is not going
to kill you if you're holding the leads.  I do believe that 100mA through
the heart will certainly kill you, but I remember that if you're holding the
leads in your hands (dry), the 100mA range is somewhere near the "let-go"
threshold, which means that you won't be able to let go of the wires.  Above
that are various levels are shock and such, but it takes a lot more to kill
you.

And, think about this.  You can't just say 120V will kill you, since we've
already established that current kills.  Think about the defibrillators they
use in hospitals.  I believe many defibrillators give a 3000V shock, but can
go up to 5000V.  Clearly it's not the voltage since these levels should kill
the person, and obviously a doctor isn't going to kill the person who's
heart is going into fibrillation.

OK, you can start flaming me now.

Wes Hsu
Johns Hopkins U
Dept.of.ECE
From: rose@bucknell.edu (philip rose `94)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: FAQ -- Where is it?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:59:57 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: albiero.cs.bucknell.edu


Where can I find a copy of the FAQ?

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Phil Rose
rose@coral.bucknell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: ddrg@alfred.carleton.ca (Duncan Glendinning)
Subject: Re: Programmers Calculator?
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:18:15 GMT

In <21JAN199314125523@pavo.concordia.ca> p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca (QUINN, PAUL) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.151325.4632@mixcom.com>, kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes...
>>In <C121sA.EIq@iat.holonet.net> brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh) writes:
>> 
>>>books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books) writes:
>>>: Has anyone written anything that will let a 48 function as a programmers
>>>: calculater?
>>>If your question is related to rotating bits, etc., your prayers will soon
>>>be answered.  Jake Schwartz and Rick Grevelle have been working on an
>>>HP16C emulator (complete emulation) which should be available around
>>>March.  Jake demonstrated it at the Winter Consumer Electronics Show
>>>annual HP users dinner meeting last weekend (Jan 9).  It's fast and very
>>>usable.
>> 
>>If you can't wait for the above, I believe BILL WICKES wrote a program
>>called BINCALC that is in his book "HP48 Insights, Part I".
>> 
>>It is basically a vectored enter "front-end" to the HP48's binary funtions.
>>Since it is copyrighted, I don't think you'll see it posted here.
>> 
>>-- 
>>Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com
>> 
>>        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
>>                          -- Microware


>	Give EduCalc a call.  They sell the HP 16C brand new for 34.95.
>I ordered mine yesterday :-)

I ordered mine yesterday at 1315EDT, and it arrived today (Wednesday) at
1600, via UPS (US$10).  This is my first experience with EduCALC, and it
was both a pleasure and a total success!  Paul Quinn's post tipped me
off to this great find!


>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Paul Quinn			p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca

>				Computer Science: System Architecture
>				Concordia University, MTL, Qc
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
Duncan Glendinning         ddrg@ccs.carleton.ca
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
K1S 5B6
From: rose@bucknell.edu (philip rose `94)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Volts vs. amps
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:37:52 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
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In article <C1DB0J.G7u@ns1.nodak.edu>, jgreff@plains.NoDak.edu (Jason Greff) writes:
|>
|> I'm sure you've all heard that it's the amps that kill you, not the volts.
|> That's the truth.  It takes as little as .1 Amps, regardless of voltage. 

I'm sorry, but this is not the truth.  It is neither voltage or current
alone that kills.  Power kills.  Power is the product of voltage and current.

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Phil Rose
rose@coral.bucknell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: My HP got SOAKED!
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:02:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.215610.7047@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Oh no, it flooded like crazy down here in southern Louisiana, USA, and
>my HP got soaked when my car was stranded in a flooded area.
>
>I've dries it all I can, I thought I should wait until it was TOTALLY
>dry before I tried .... turning it on.  How long should I wait?  Is there hope
>my beloved HP48SX will still work?!
>
>Please reply quicky,
>
>_Dan
>.

I know this sounds strange, but I would rinse it well with distilled
water and let that dry to remove any contaminants that were left by
the floodwater.  When I wash keyboards (after people spill soda on them)
I usually let them dry about 6 hours.  I did the same for a PC motherboard
that mice were living (and urinating) in.  Worked fine.  (I'm assuming
there are no paper capacitors in the 48.  I'm not even sure paper is used
anymore anywhere.)

Roger
books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: jdg@hpqtdla.sqf.hp.com (James Gentles)
Subject: Re: Printable RPL manual available yet?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:10:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

In article <1993Jan18.030432.3386@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee) writes:
>Has anyone managed to print the rplman.ps that is on seq.uncwil.edu?
From: akcs.kirkland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Dan Kirkland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Rev. J difference, STRANGE!
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:40:02 GMT

With equation:
'E(x=1,100,5*x^2*LN(x)/SIN(x))'
 ^ is summation.
on a version E my ansers are the same as Bill's.
8088177.07545  in deg mode.
2584500.75352  in rad mode
8422210.25973  in grad mode.

Dan Kirkland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!!!
From: DOT@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:09:12 -0700
Organization: BYU

In article <19JAN199316074900@pavo.concordia.ca> p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca (QUINN, PAUL) writes:
>Subject: HELP!!!!!!!
>From: p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca (QUINN, PAUL)
>Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 21:07:00 GMT
>THIS IS AN EMERGENCY!!!  I ran the arkanoid.lib program.  I ran just fine.  
>Then I  tried the editor program.  My 48SX has just stopped in the editor
>screen with the hourglass on.  I can't get it to stop.  the 48 will not 
>turn off even taking the batteries out didn't help!
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Paul Quinn			p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca
>
>				Computer Science: System Architecture
>				Concordia University, MTL, Qc
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Try a reset.  I think its: [ON]-[A]-[F] keys all held at once.

Just a guess.  Good luck

Mike Wieda
MikeW@Canc.byu.edu
From: pu001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ( pedro miguel ugalde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: some kind of wordprosesor
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:37:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

does anyone know a way to write text to the hp memory without the hassle of
program the text, is there a program to do that?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: <-Lib->
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:21:25 GMT

	I thought I saw this file (<-Lib->) in one of the Uploads directory
in FTP seq.uncwil.edu few days ago.  However, I spend 3 hours 
searching and DL all the files from those 3 Uploads directory,
but had no luck to find it.  Anybody have an idea where did it
go?
	Thanks!
				MIng
From: akcs.wiley@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Abbott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Seattle BBS back on-line Mon.
Keywords: seattle bbs
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:40:03 GMT

Please don't call the above number. I am having serious trouble getting
the modem to work right--it only answers the phone 50% of the time, and
cannot detect baudrate no matter what I do. If I can't solve this problem
soon I may just give all my files to another local BBS for everyone to
use (attention Chuck!). PLEASE DO NOT CALL!
From: tslopez@mcs.Drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: HP48S vs. HP48SX
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:50:10 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

>>>>> On 21 Jan 93 23:25:41 GMT, heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com said:



>> No difference, just two slots, a removable cover and $100.
>>
>> BTW I have a 48s and I am quite happy with it.  I too am too poor     e SX,
>> but with my computer I have a 48 with a 50 meg hard drive.
>> Top that.
>>
>> Brian Badger


:> I have an SX with a 128K, a 512K and with my computer I have an extra
:> 16Meg, a 160Meg hard drive and a 1Gb hard drive. Did I top ya? Sorry,
:> but I had to . . .

:> Bob

Nothing personal, but I have to agree. If you're going to spend the $150 for
an HP why not go the extra $90 or so and get something with a future. 32k
is simply not enough for something with the power of a 48s. I am glad I have
my 128k card and plan on getting a 512k card sometime soon. And that's with
also having it linked to my Mac with over 2 gigs of storage. (Though it's
not all dedicated to the HP ;)

--
(__)                          |   Scott J. Lopez        tslopez@mcs.drexel.edu
( oo   _ The Cow Says         |                                         
/\_|  /         "Automatic!"  |  A man doesn't automatically get my respect.
                              |  He has to get down in the dirt and beg for it.
From: akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: SysRPL Questions
Date: 16 Jan 93 08:40:03 GMT

ramos@engr.LaTech.edu [Alex Ramos] writes:

> Are TRUE & FALSE normal system binaries? Can you convert
> them to real flags (1 or 0) ?

This may be a bit confusing, so listen closely.  There are two totally
different kinds of things, both called "flags".  The first kind we're
all familiar with: the 64 user flags (1 through 64) and the 64 system
flags (-1 through -64).  The second kind is the result of a test,
either a TRUE or a FALSE.  In User RPL, these are represented by the
reals 1 and 0, respectively.  But in System RPL these logic "flags"
are actual objects in the operating system, residing at #03A81h (TRUE)
and at #0CA30h (FALSE).  They are in no sense "system binaries".  See
Chapter 17 in RPLMAN.DOC for complete details.

Yes, they can be converted to real "flags": use COERCEFLAG, a
supported System RPL word at address E0835.  This is also explained in
RPLMAN.DOC, Chapter 17.

> How can you run a user RPL prog from a SysRPL prog? I lost
> memory everytime I tried this.

Same as in User RPL: just embed its name in the program.  Keep in mind
that name objects are identified as such by ID.  Example: to run a
User RPL program called 'ABC' from a System RPL program, just include
ID ABC in the program.  Note: some System RPL development libraries
require tic marks around the name: ID 'ABC'.  HP's software does not.

> What type of real number are the user reals? % or %% ? (% is my
> guess)

Right.  Long reals are not supposed to be available to the user.

> When you put system objects on the stack do you have to go through
> some special procedure to mark the stack? I ask that because I wrote
> a silly program to put a few integers on the stack but didnt work.
> (it ran but not appeared on the stack)

No.  For example,

       ::  ONE  TWO  THREE  ;

exits with <1h> <2h> <3h> on the stack (assuming you're in HEX mode).

-Joseph K. Horn-   -Peripheral Vision, Ltd.-
akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com
Disclaimer: I don't work for HP, EduCALC, or anybody else.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Taking exams?
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:43:17 CST

In article <hdev.727700672@dutiai> hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught) writes:
>
>In Europe *that* works: no guns allowed.

I'm tempted to think that even if guns were allowed, Europe's crime rate
wouldn't go up much: I think a lot of Europeans have their heads screwed on
significantly straighter that a lot of people here in the U.S.  (Of course,
this doesn't apply do anybody reading THIS message... :-) )  

It probably was a poor analogy.

> But to the banning of HPs: what's the
>alternative? It is an extremely easy way to cheat. 

Tearing apart a HP-48, un-hobbling the receiver, and putting it back
together is easy?  I think not.  Two way communication with a cheating
friend is better than just having "cheat notes" I guess though.

>But if a large
>minority would own one, we're in trouble.

How about if we suggest that HP encapsulates (in epoxy) the IR receiving
circuitry?  And (although I don't like the idea that much), have them
superglue the cases shut.  Hmm?

>Do you know that if those students would sue you, they have an excellent case?

Yes, this sucks.

>I guess in the States you only have one proctor during an exam. 

Yes, often just the professor sits up at the front of the room doing some
work or reading or whatever and looks up from time to time.  I've even had
professors who've left the room for several minutes to go get a drink or
something.  

>The word of
>one man against another doesn't work in court. Even worse, since you accuse
>him of cheating, you'll have to supply the evidence. If not, well, how much
>money can you get from a slander law suit?

Hmm.  Perhaps the professor should say nothing, but be allowed to require
the student to take another exam, covering the same material.  This puts an
undue hardship on the professor, but at least gets rid of the legal
problems.

>[stuff about students in Netherlands suing teachers]

Yikes.  Some people take their civil liberties a little too seriously.  Or
perhaps some jurors have their heads screwed on backwards...

I hope that 50 years from now there aren't video cameras watching
classrooms 24 hours a day, providing evidence for the professor when
he/she's inevitably accused of slandering a cheating student. :-( (You
probably know that may police cards here in the U.S. already have dash
mounted video cameras, right?  Supposedly to protect the cops and the
Rodney Kings of the nation...)

						---Joel Kolstad
From: akcs.spacecadet@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (David Cho)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Rev. J difference, STRANGE!
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:40:02 GMT

I have made some minor comparisons between my E version
and a friends J version.  And indeed, his screen
is a bit more wavy upon poweron than my E.
Interesting huh?
I have yet to check out your equation...but will when I have
a chance.  The equation IS INDEED noticeable quciker!
wahhh!!! :)
-dave
From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Sorting With SmartROM
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:09:13 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh) writes:

> What could be simpler?  However I'd like to see someone code a sort that
> could use a program as a sort key...my List&Matrix lib. (1697) does this
> in user code.
> 

The SmartROM sort engine does not ask if the code is written in user RPL
or assembler.
It merely asks for a TRUE or FALSE flag.

It is up to you to decide which language is preferrable.

Bye,

Flavio
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From: st1rl@rosie.uh.edu (James Garcia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Screen problem!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:52 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
Keywords: screen
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

  Yesterday I turned on my HP and an entire row and column on the screen
went blank. I've tried clearing the memory and ran all the self-tests and
everything checks out except the same row and column are dead.
Any suggestions?

 Thanks,
james

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kevin@rodin.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland)
Subject: Found an undocumented entry point...
Organization: Center for Optimization and Semantic Control, Washington University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:29:29 GMT

I found an entry point (rev D) that people might be interested in.

>MatWriter	#44FE7

It takes from the stack an array and puts it in the MatrixWriter.
I didn't find it listed in either entries.a or uentries.a.

Now, how do I add it to my rpl.tab?  Can I do it only on my hp?
Detlef...

Kevin Ruland
kevin@rodin.wustl.edu
From: akcs.jwtrav@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (John Wettroth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Increasing IR reception distance
Date: 16 Jan 93 12:40:02 GMT

> increasing IR receiver range on 48?
The 48 is crippled in its receiver and the modulation technique used
(none).  I have heard rumours of people increasing the range
significantly but have never seen any hardware.  I build a little data
acquisition system for the HP-48 that goes over the IR for isolation.  I
can tell you that 2 inches with the 48 is tough.  There are a bunch of
tradeoffs, the biggest being ambient light immunity.  Good luck- if you
here any different, let me know.  The ADCM-48 could use a 4 ft range!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: libmaker
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:41:55 GMT

	After struggle with Libmaker for 2 hours, I gave up.
I was try to make a library of an existing directory.
I made the files like $hidden, $title, etc.  (I was
certainly I did those properly since I compare it with
a lib flie (I used breaklib.lib to break a libary to see
the contents of those $.*** files.)  
	Anyway, Everything went perfect until I was try 
to do $config.  I check several other lib's config.  All
of them are <122d> External (or some other # before External)
Well, As one could see, I can't view external files.  So I 
have no idea how to make a $config file.  I read the doc's
in  Libmaker's "about" file, it just said "Program or 1".
Well, anyone got any ideas how to make this $config file?
	I tried to copy another lib's config file to the
directory which I want to convert to lib.  Since the 
config file is 1224(# of the other lib), I tried to change
<1224d> External to <2d> External.  No luck!  It goes
"invalid".
	Thanks in advance!
				Ming
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Subject: Re: My HP got SOAKED!
Reply-To: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:08:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.215610.7047@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu
(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>I've dries it all I can, I thought I should wait until it was TOTALLY
>dry before I tried .... turning it on.  How long should I wait?  Is there hope
>my beloved HP48SX will still work?!

You might want to irrigate it with distilled water (available at
supermarkets for $1/gallon or less) to try to flush out any residue that
was left behind by the flood water.  But I would call HP for advice
before doing anything.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@rusure.enet.dec.com
From: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: hop solve
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:53:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu
Originator: ren@tramp.cc.utexas.edu

The following is the solve for the HOP brain teaser..  incase you can't
bare to live with yourself until you solve it.

If you do not wish to see it, then just hit N)ext message, or what ever it
is on your newsreader.

Spoiler follows!!!

you sure??

6 4 3 5 7 8 6 4 2 1 3 5 7 9 8 6 4 2 3 5 7 6 4 5
You did it!

Go impress your friends..
-- 
  |\    |\
  | \   | \       Ren Hoek
  |  \  |  \
  |   | |  |      internet: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
   \       /
   _\ ^  _/       "It is not I who am crazy...  It is I who am MAD!!!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Taking exams?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:28:42 CST

In article <1993Jan21.160756.63009@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>	The reciver on the HP is limited through hard wiring.  So some students
>At BYU bypassed the wiring and were sending answers across the room to each
>other during a test.  Somehow or other the professor caught them and the use of
>HP-48's has been banned for all tests at BYU.

Their 48's would look a little... vandalized... after being disassembled and
reassembled, you know.  (But it just _might_ be plausible.  I still have a
hard time believing it, though...)

>	If so I'm
>afraid that all schools would have to ban the 48 during tests.  Isn't
>technology great?

Don't be silly.  Punishing everybody for the sins of a few is ridiculous.
This argument sounds suspiciously close to the gun banning argument that "Some
people use guns for killing people, therefore no one should be allowed to
have guns..."  

If I were a professor, I'd nail those cheaters to the wall too, (not to
mention giving them 0's on their exams, if I could't kick them out of the
course), but I sure as heck wouldn't take it out on anybody else who used 
their calculators legitimately!

						---Joel Kolstad
From: akcs.dmankin@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (David Mankin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: printing programs with serial kit
Date: 17 Jan 93 22:40:01 GMT

I was also wondering if there was any way to make the HP48 print graphics
to an ImagewriterII printer.  Is there aryway that PCLPRT or EPSPRT can
be converted so that they work?  I know that the Imagewriter wants the
number of bytes that are going to be printed in graphic mode, but none of
these programs seem able to offer such printer input.  Maybe Some smart
person could come up with such a library like PCLPRT that will work on an
Imagewriter.

Thanks for anyone's help...
David Mankin
dmankin@bvsd.co.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48