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From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to defeat AIDS
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On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:26:41 EDT Mike Fessler said:
>There was also a report several months ago of a vaginal sponge-like insert
>that was meant to protect against disease rather than pregnancy. It was
>a porous substance permeated with monoclonal antibodies directed against
>HIV, syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia. In animal trials this device was
>found to be lethal to the above pathogens in the reproductive tract.
>I believe that the device is under development for commercial production.
>
>Now how they did those animal trials, I'm not sure I want to know...

Probably solicited volunteers in Usenet at
   rec.sex.animals.hamsters.duct-tape

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        If Sadamm Hussin died now. what UK will do ?????????
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: more on SS#'s, Missy/MacPhil
              20 Jul 1992 16:21:43 -0400 from <SPRG0002@TULSAJC>

Robert:

I don't know the statute or what law was passed, but I do know that
the University issued new i.d.'s to everybody (which was very annoying,
as it required standing in line and having your picture taken.  again.).
The new i.d.'s do not have the SSNs on them, and neither do Indiana
drivers' licenses issued since (I believe) 1989 or so.

                                                    --MJ
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Subject:      Re: more on SS#'s, Missy/MacPhil
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As for using SS numbers for grade reports, I've discovered that if the class
is small enough you can figure out everybody's grades because the grade
reports are generally in alphabetical order!
Scott W. Fischer
Woodrow Wilson Department of
    Government & Foreign Affairs
Mr. Jefferson's Resort
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From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
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> Peter,
> Hmm. Well, those have possibilities.
> I'm a bit miffed that you don't think Logic Czar is very significant.
> Still, I take your proposal under advisement.

Jamie, Jamie, Jamie:
I spoke only in relative terms.  It's not that the job is too small,
but that the proposed holder's talents are too big.  That's why I want
you in the Cabinet, to provide advice and counsel on all the important
decisions of my administration.  Let me know what you decide.

Best,
Peter

> Jamie, possible logic czar, open to alternative suggestions
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From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Rush
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I've not had time to read it yet due to other commitments, but
NewDimensions magazine appears to be on the newsstands again...
the August issue has Rush Limbaugh on the cover:


"The most dangerous man in America?"

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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Is Quayle pro-choice?
              23 Jul 1992 11:42:23 EDT from <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

    KAT says:

Let me see if I understand this.  If Dan Quayle's daughter
wanted to murder (yes murder) her 2 year old child because
the child was a nuisance, I am sure Dan Quayle wouldn't have
said "I would counsel my daughter but then I would support
her no matter what her decision," right?  So, according to
Dan Quayle, is abortion murder or not?

Also this is a guy who would want to make abortion illegal
on moral grounds.  That means he wants to FORCE others out
of this option.  Yet he would "support" her daughter no
matter what the decision?  Give me a break!  People like Dan
Quayle shout "murderer, murderer" at women entering clinics
in the hope that they might change their mind.  They even
block entrances for the same reason, but Quayle would
support her daughter whatever her decision?  Don't you see
the hypocrisy?  Don't you see the double standard?

      Okay.  One more time.  "Supporting" is not the same as
      "condoning the decision."  If Dan Quayle's daughter
      murdered someone in cold blood, he would probably
      see to it that she was put behind bars.  But he would
      *still* support her as a *person*.  This is a little
      thing called mercy.  It doesn't mean that you stop
      loving the person who commits a moral wrong.  It
      doesn't mean that you think the decision is right.
      It doesn't mean that you keep your mouth shut
      about it.  I means that, once a wrong action has
      been taken, you offer forgiveness and love to the
      offender, while making it clear that the action
      taken was unequivocally wrong.  I find it ironic
      that spokesfolks (like the PCism?) for the prochoice
      side are adamantly contending that reaching out in love
      to those who have aborted is equivalent to supporting
      abortion.  This indicates to me that it is the prochoice
      side that cannot separate the sinner from the sin, and
      it is the prochoice side that is "judgmental" and
      "unforgiving."

                             --Missy Justice
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From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Is Quayle pro-choice?

When asked on "Larry King Live" tonight what would he do if
his daughter got pregnant, Dan Quayle said he would counsel
his daughter but then he would stand behind here no matter
what the decision.

Now, I would like to know what is going on here:

      1.  Is Dan Quayle a closet pro-choice?
      2.  Maybe Dan Quayle believes in "choice" for his
          daughter but wants to deprive everybody
          else's daughter of it.

BTW:  I thought Dan Quayle handled himself relatively well tonight.

--KAT
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      has anybody noticed

that our dearest darling travis hasn't been posting ever since he got found
out to be a moron?

uh oh.

do you think the tall guys had anything to do with his disapearance?
funny how as soon as the kidd disappeared, anneliese lorson suddenly
re-appeared.....hmmmmm.

there could be something to this. something underhanded maybe? SCANDELOUS EVEN?

fodder for thought.

-linda suE saEb0    (abt. to go mull this one over a bEEr or thrEE)

vote E in novEmbEr  the party you can trust to party
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Subject:      Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?

linda:
>i hate to say this, but if this is what danny said (i didn't hear the
>statements), then he's finally said something i can admire him for.

He really did say it (I heard him), and I agree -- that's the first thing
he's said that makes sense to me.

Kerry
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>I think that children at an impressionable age are far more likely to
>be exposed to sex and violence on televison as opposed to the theatre.
>Any guesses as to why we don't have a ratings system for television?
>
>We don't see many ads for "watch tonight as the beverly hills teenagers
>just say no to sex and drugs".

True, but I think that point still stands that the people who do the
most to shape America's sex ethic are the people often the least
responsible in their actions.  The TV and movie industry does have
people who care, but they are far too few.  The majority want to
make money and sex sells.  The reality of sex doesn't, but the fantasy
does.

-j.b.
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>Julie, I welcome the competition. But don't you think you'd
>have to be a czarina?

"Czarina"?  You make me sound like a musical instrument.  Acutally, it
was an empty threat.  I've made it a personal policy to steadfastly
refuse positions of so-called "authority" because they so easily breed
idocy.  If I'm going to become an idiot, I'll do it on my own :-).

>In any case, you might be absorbed by
>the J-ticket. I mean, in case there is one.

What's the "J-ticket"?  (I've been gone for awhile)

--Julie
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              31 Jul 1992 09:20:16 -0400 from <E7L8ALL@TOWSONVX>

The Kerry Ticket would like to remind you all to vote this coming
November.

America needs a new direction.

Thanks you for your attention.

                   --This message brought to you by
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:33:41 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the upcoming war

>No, it can't be 'American aggression' if it is UN sponsored.  It is only in
>Saddam's mind.

I would only like to point out that it is really easy for
us in the US to say something can't be American aggression
if it is sponsored by the UN.

I'd only like to remind this group that most of the rest of
the world resents the US as much as they resented the USSR.

The reason is simple.  The US, as much as the USSR pushed
itself unwanted onto many countries during the Cold War.
The Gulf War is another example of this type of behavior.

What *were* we doing there, is all I'd like to ask?

-j.b.
>Sue Clark
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:05:08 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: school choice revisited

Isn't school choice an attempt to change the system from the
bottom up?  Maybe this works, but it takes some concern,
responsibility, some effort from the people on the bottom, the
parents.

If this exists, then the school system would have already
improved.  I think that the condition of the schools indicates
that there are more parents who don't think very much about
their child's education than there are who actively support
education.

Why is coming from the bottom up better than starting at the top
and working down?

Why are Bush and others unwilling to institute a national
curriculum of some sort.  It could be done is such a manner
that still left lots of room and freedom to the individual school
systems.  This would give a uniformity to the US educational
system.  As it stands now, high school diplomas are meaning
less and less and a liberal arts education more and more
desired.

Having a national curriculum would alleviate the problem of moving
from one state to another and having to drop a grade.  There are
many people that I went to school with (-in Louisiana no less-)
who were a year or two older than I because they moved to Louisiana
from Florida or somewhere.

The best thing about having a national curriculum is that maybe we
could start to be a little more competitive internationally.  After
a few years, we wouldn't lag behind our international competitors in
the natural sciences.

-j.b.
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From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: AIDS funding
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              21 Jul 1992 13:56:45 -0700 from <andy@SAIL.STANFOR D.EDU>

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:56:45 -0700 Andy Freeman said:
>I can't find it now, but there was a posting comparing the funding for
>research on various diseases with the lives and years "lost".

I posted that on Sunday from the Trib -- partially in response to another
poster supporting the position that lost years should have an effect
in the prioritizing of our attention of resources to medical
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Subject:      Re: dumping Dan: myth or reality?

>But conditioned have changed drastically so "the same reasons" theory
>may not hold.  Four years ago Quayle was an unknown commodity.  People
>were willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt.  Today, Quayle
>is a known commodity.  He is laughing stock (sp?) of the American people.

Quayle is a laughing stock only in certain subpopulations.  If those
subpopulations weren't going to vote for Bush anyway, that's
irrelevant.  Quayle's effect on swing and supporters is positive, he's
an asset.

I suspect that Quayle is actually an asset.  Remember the Murphy Brown
speech?  Well, that was a WIN for Bush.  If the "context" (several
paragraphs around the quip) I've seen is actually from that speech AND
the repubs can get it out, the repubs will win because the bashing
over it offends Americans' sense of fairness.

I think that the repubs have pretty much defused the redicule-by-media
effect and turned it into an asset.  Americans understand that lying
and distortion are funny, but politics is different.

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From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: capital punishment/abortion

>...human life is too valuable to waste,
>except when defending and protecting the State.

What is there about "The State" which makes it more important than an
individual's life?  Who has chosen this "State" to be an entity more
powerful than life itself?  If you believe that the interests of
protecting "the State" are so essential, why do you not feel the same
way about "The Woman?"  If you have the right to define "The State" as
an entity which needs protecting to the point of State-Sponsored
execution then why can you not allow "The Woman" to protect herself to
the point of something which you might consider "Woman-Sponsored
Murder"?

        I think that I didn't adequately express myself.  I believe
        that war can be justifiable, but this is the only taking of
        human life that I deem so.

> I do not consider
>killing people who have behavioral problems to be protecting the State.
>People with behaviroal/societal/whatever problems can be rehabilitated
>and helped to return to a normal position society.

How do you define a "normal position" in terms of human behavior and
who is to decide what behavior of an individual requires any degree of
"rehabilitation"?

        I think that people who steal can be taught to live without
        stealing.  If this requires job-training, that would be part
        of the process.  People who are murderers can be taught
        that this too is wrong.  If they can't, they can stay in
        prison.

Also -- who _would_ you kill to protect the state, if they had no
"behavioral problems"?

>I believe that
>this is possible in a number of ways, one of which is through
>religious counseling.
>
>-j.b.

What would "religious counseling" do to "rehabilitate" someone.  What
would the specific goals of such counseling be?  How would it work?
What other methods would you suggest and what would their goals be?

        Some people need to have a place in society.  Religion can
        be a means of helping individuals find their niche.

        I am not a counselor, nor someone with any kind of background
        in this area, so I can't give you any specifics.  Maybe I am
        being idealistic.  It is something toward which I tend.

        -j.b.
--Julie
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From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Forwarded mail for LISTS.POLITICS

>From:         AASR23@SAKACS00.BITNET
>
>             ********************************************
>             What UN are Found in Ministry of Agriculture
>             at IRAQ ?
>             And  What they do after that .........?
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>
>
>
>Abo-Hatan

They found nothing, and did nothing after that.

Jamie
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>
>This argument in particular seems to be one of women's rights.
>This is understandable.  Why don't women take more of an
>assertive role in society.

exsqeeze me? why don't women take a more assertive role
in society? huh? what rock have you been living under?
can you say ERA? can you say NOW? can you say "there
are only two women in the senate and certainly not for
lack of trying"? Are you aware of the fact that
sexual discrimination STILL occurs? and that women
get paid at least 25% less sometimes more than what
a man gets paid for the same job?  And you say that
women should just be more assertive?

women officers are being sexually assaulted by their
superior officers in the armed forces and you say that
women should just assert themselves more? How? just
kill people who piss them off?

sheesh. you need to get a grip, Jason. Does
your mother know you talk this way about women?

jEnnifEr ElisE colE stEEle
who was it who said that you can't expect people to pull
themselves up by the bootstraps when they have no boots?
(little shoe alliteration for y'all)

vote e-ticket, your ride to the white house
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From:         "push the button, frank!" <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: U.N. Inspection

Sean inquires:

>If there is information in the Iraqi Ministry of Agriculture, what's stopping
>Iraq from destroying the information that's stored there?
>Isn't it possible that they have copies stored in some place that no one
>would ever think of looking?

I *thought* I saw some Iraqis putting something into the "domestic agenda"
drawer in Bush's oval office desk.  Of course, they probably had to oil it
first - the poor thing probably rusted shut from lack of use...:)

>                               -Sean

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                               policy." - unknown
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From:         "ACAD2A::ASCER" <ASCER@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Another Gulf War?

What strikes me is that now.....Iraq will go along with the U.S.
efforts to stop its weapons production....What do we have to do say
we will use force every a couple of months to make Iraq comply
to the UN?....I am surprised Bush will let the Un stand with their
new proposal since if Bush used force it would have saved his ailing
campaign....A little war is good for the soul....
Charles
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: pavlov's dog vs. schrodinger's cat

Thank you all for coming.

Tim and Gary, our esteemed opponents, are apparently out of touch with the
American people.  The American people don't care about elitist abstract
physics arguments.  They care about jobs.  They care about their families.
They care about crime.  And drugs.  (And not sentence fragments.)  They
are looking for a team to lead them into the next century that will get
down to the real work of getting this country back to its real work.
  The Kerry ticket stands for jobs.  We stand for family values.  We
stand for giving the American people back their investment in this
country.  We stand for equality of opportunity and equality of first
names.  We will take this country away from the mumblings of philosophers
and forward to the greatest practical policies this country--or the
world--has ever known.
  Vote for us in November, and send those cultural elitists a message
they can't ignore.  Politics is about reality.  Let physicists be
physicists, and put politicians in the White House.  Thank you,
and God bless you, every one.
                              --MJ (to the cheering masses)

BTW, they just painted my house white.  Coincidence?  We shall see.
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