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From: gds@ikura.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Subject: Re: Some small American's problem (was Re: CKS Airport is great?)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:17:48 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

bennettc writes
> I just think that the way you are treated, no matter where in the 
> world you are or where in the world you come from, is usually more a function 
> of how you're acting at the time than of what your national origin is. 
> 
A statement I can endorse whole-heartedly.  As a South African I should know.
--
Riel Smit                                                 gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Computer Science                             gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
University of Cape Town      "..and he walked his days under African skies"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:44:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.163250.21435@sni.ca> dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.033253.23472@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>>(And, to satisfy my curiosity:  since you believe that our society is in
>>>a state of decay, when do you think the rot started to set in?  1968?
>>>1946?  1867?)
>>>
>>
>>I think our current woes arose from the unearned postwar prosperity
>>of North America, which has screwed up the value systems of several
>>generations.
>
>By this, I assume you mean that people today expect too much in the
>way of material possessions, choice of lifestyle, and so on.  I won't

I don't begrudge people anything so as long as they don't impose
themselves on other people...our post-war society has imposed huge
financial obligations upon future generations...and are leaving
behind a much "dirtier" planet.  I have no objection to materialistic
or altruistic excess by anyone, as long as it isn't stolen from future
generations, which is what we have done.   

>
>I don't think anyone can possibly determine exactly what constitutes
>"earned" prosperity, since a worker's daily efforts have no intrinsic
>value.  A happy medium between the ideal "healthy business climate"
>and the "worker's paradise" is called for, but I haven't the slightest
>idea where that medium should be, or what it should consist of.
>(Suggestions welcomed!)
>

"Earned prosperity" is prosperity that is not stolen from the future, or
that is a result of economic and environmental sustainability.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Subject: rubber vs metal wheels on subways
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:43:18 GMT

one of the earlier posters (posterers?) suggested that an advantage of
rubber tires is that their (presumed) greater friction/traction would
allow for greater elevation angles than are doable with steel wheels.

uummm, not quite.  the limiting factor with steel wheels IN SUBWAYS is not
the traction of metal on metal (which is actaully pretty high).  this is,
however a problem in railroads (passenger and freight)

reason:  a standard freight train, composed, of say, 50 cars, is pulled by
a locomotive (possibly more than one).  ONLY the drive wheels on the
locomotive are powered, hence they have to have enough traction to pull
the entire train.  This is one of the reasons why acceleration of freight
trains is slower than the horsepower ratings would suggest...

In fact, it is not uncommon to deliberately weigh down the locomotive with
additional ballast, i.e. sandbags, but that's another story (and no flames
please, it's rare, but does happen).

Subways on the other hand have either all or most of the wheels attached
to motors.  In NYC, a typical subway car has 2 600horsepower motors (one
driving each "truck").  I trhink we actually have one stretch of track
with a ten percent grade, but don't hold me to that until I check further.

------

BRAKING of freight trains, on teh other hand (when properly working of
course) involves air brakes attached to each wheel, so you get pretty good
results.  Of course, since each car weighs 100+ tons it still takes a
llloooonnng time to stop.  But nowhere near as much as if it were just the
locomotive doing the braking.

Subways have less mass/wheel, so they do better.

dannyb@panix.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Clinton's consumption tax
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:25:22 GMT

Lloyd Bentson on Meet the Press yesterday suggested that both
a gas tax and a consumption tax of some form (a national sales
tax or a VAT) were going to be part of Clinton's economic plan.

A US gas tax would drive the final nail into Canadian cross-border
shopping...but I'll be amazed at what Jean Chretien, Audrey
McLaughlin, and Bob Rae are going to say when Clinton brings in
a GST...although Clinton, being Slick Willie, will almost certainly
bring in a hidden GST.

Granted, both will probably be phase-in slowly, but if Clinton
intends to increase spending in the short term, to keep long term
interest rates low, he is going to have to lay out his long-term
deficit reduction plan with his short term stimulus.

This, of course, is something that the Liberals and NDP are not
doing in Canada...they say they are going to stimulate, but with
our debt problem, if you stimulate, you simultaneously have to
have a credible long-term deficit reduction plan in place, or
long-term interest rates will skyrocket, and snuff out any recovery
and negate any of the effects of stimulations.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross)
Subject: Re: Crime in Canada vs U.S. Why the difference?
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:42:13 GMT

todd@ceres.elcom.nitech.ac.jp (Todd Law) writes:
: 
: To start with,
: 
: (1)
: How about two-hundred-plus years of uncompensated slavery in the 
: US which has put many black Americans into a hole so deep that
: many never get out of it, financially or psychologically.
: I say racial friction, through no fault of the minorities themselves,
: but through the majority that forced, then ignored a completely
: inequitable situation for centuries, is a major cause of crime in
: the US.  Canada has racial tensions too, but several orders of
: magnitude smaller.

But only because our Aboriginal population is proportionally smaller.
However, they experience the same intensity of racism as American
minorities. It would be interesting to hear what Aboriginal,
Asian and African Canadians have to say about this.

: [other stuff deleted]
: 
: (5)
: Tighter gun laws meanining fewer guns to commit violent crimes with.

This is probably the main factor.

-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: brkirby@mothra.syr.EDU (Bruce Kirby)
Subject: Need Info: Importing Cars into Canada
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:26:13 EST

I am a grad student in the US and a Canadian citizen. I am trying to
figure out the rules concerning importing cars into Canada. Can anyone
out there clarify a few matters for me:

1. I have discovered that even cars built for the US market may not be
importable because they fail to satisfy Canadian safety standards. (The
strangest example seems to be that passive restraints -- mechanical
seatbelts that automatically move into and out of place -- provide a
discount on insurance in the US, but are not allowed in Canada, except
that they are allowed if they come with an airbag.) I think I have the
transport Canada rules figured out...

2. As a pseudo-resident of the US (I am officially a 'non-resident
alien') I am allowed to bring a car into Canada duty-free as long as I
have owned it for six months. Is there a limit on the value of such a
car? Is the limit six months? (I have heard elsewhere it is a year.)

3. I have been told that a used car purchased in the US can be brought
into Canada duty-free as long as it is of sufficient age. Is this
correct? How old must the car be? (I was told it was three years, but
was being reduced on January 1. I am looking for confirmation.) This
rule apparently is a product of the FTA.

4. What taxes will be charged? Even if the car is duty-free, it may be
charged for PST and GST. Does anyone know when they apply? 

I am looking to get a car as soon as possible, but want to make sure I
don't get screwed when I move back up north later this year. Any replies
(either public or e-mail) are greatly appreciated.

	Bruce Kirby
brkirby@owl.npac.syr.edu
-----------------------
"... but when you come to Heritage USA,  remember to bring your Bible
and your VISA card  -  because the Bible is the Holy Truth,  and God
doesn't take American Express."
-----------------------
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: canadian subway
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:55:31 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

In refd article, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>
>2.  The ability to climb and descend steeper grades.  That way, stations
>can be built closer to the surface, while the tracks between stations
>cand dive deep enough to go below building foundations, utilities, etc.
>At many stations you can look into the tunnel and see the tracks drop.
>On systems with steel wheels, you rarely see this.

I can't comment on whether the grades are steeper than normal in Montreal,
but tracks dropping away at the entrance and exit of a subway/metro
station is normal design.

Approaching the station uphill significantly assists braking.  Leaving
the station on a down grade increases acceleration.
-- 
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From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Le Fleur de Lys du Quebec
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:36:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C176o4.Dso.1
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU


Le Que'bec a adopte' le drapeau blue et blanc, aujourd'hui, il y a 45
ans.  Quel drapeau a servi comme drapeau provincial avant 1948?

--
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From: VAN_HEEL@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Electrical engineer from Bosnia-Herzegovina seeks job
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:02:34 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin





        Electrical engineer from Bosnia needs job in Canada



        Konstantin Hadziristic (44), 
        master's degree in electrical engineering,
        19 years of experience in energy conservation in industry
        (data acquisition, modelling, unit energy consumption
        and power demand analysis, management improvements)
        seeks suitable job offer in Canada (Edmonton?).

        Was forced to leave Bosnia with wife and 2 year old child, 
        and is temporarily living in Holland.

        A permanent resident visa for Canada is already available.

        Please phone directly:    011 (31) 5945-13095
        or reply by e_mail (see below)

        Konstantin Hadziristic 
        B.v. Waninglaan 49
        9351 LS   LEEK     
        The NETHERLANDS



==================================================================

      I am posting this for a friend.  Wil forward electronic messages
      by ordinary mail or FAX.

      Marin van Heel 

      Fritz Haber Institute of the Max Planck Society   
      Faradayweg 4-6, W-1000 Berlin 33, Fed.Rep.Germany 
      Tel: 49-30-8305380     fax: 49-30-8305509
      E_mail:  Van_Heel@fhi-berlin.mpg.de                
            


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
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Subject: Seeking info on travel to Canada
From: <REC8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:22:58 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Hi!  I'm a U.S. citizen planning to visit Canada for the first time during earl
y March.  I will probably be going to Toronto.  I was wondering if there is any
thing I need to know before going, such as Visa requirements, obtaining extende
d insurance coverage, or any other pertinent information.  I only intend to be
there for 4 days.  If you have any helpful info, please E-mail me.  Thanks for
your help!

Ronald E. Chennault
Penn State University
REC8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN)
Subject: Re: Misleading stats
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:35:43 GMT

In article <1jnvbh$s94@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:

>I think the statistic is only misleading if you read things into it that it
>doesn't claim, in other words, if you confuse absolute numbers with rates.

  Well, why would the statistic be printed except to imply something?  Like
I said, it was presented on its own, without any analysis or background.  So
it obviously had a purpose.  The only imaginable purpose is to point out that
whites are capable or more likely to assault women;  any other motivation, and
the statistic would have been meaningless.
  I realize that the statement was true, and that the only thing wrong with it
is the interpretation. But that's what misleading *means* -- it implies some-
thing different from what it actually says.  And i thonk the vast majority of
the people reading the column wouldn't analyze the statement;  they would simply
read it, think that Canadian whites are more likely to beat their wives, and
go on.  And that's what I don't like about it.  Tabloids will have lies;  every-
body knows they lie, and they ignore them.  The _Globe_ is more subtle about it,
but the effect on the reader's mind is very similar.


>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:32:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.175323.14909@sni.ca> dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.194437.15323@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>>I never remember seeing what would really be called a ghetto. Does
>>>Canada have them? I remember a few run-down areas, but certainly nothing that
>>>would compare to New York's Bedford-Stuyvesant (sp?), Los Angeles' Compton,
>>>Chicago's Cabrini-Green or even East Oakland or Hunter's Point (San Francisco)
>>
>>Fear not...our politicians are busy creating them...in a decade or so,
>>our ghettoes will be as "good" as yours are.  Social decay in Canada
>>with respect to the US is not as far advanced, but we are doing our
>>best to catch up.  
>
>This is the second time you have claimed that Canada's level of "social
>decay" is ten years behind that of the U.S.  If your hypothesis were correct,
>Toronto today would be much like New York, Los Angeles and Chicago were
>in 1983.
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but large parts of New York were already "no-go"
>zones in the 1970's.  The worst areas of Toronto (arguably, Regent Park
>and the Jane-Finch corridor) are not anywhere near as bad as comparable
>areas in large U.S. cities were a generation ago.
>

So I'm a pessimist about the short term future...I think our cities are
in decline, and I don't see anyone out there with solutions in the near
term.  One can maintain the delusion that somehow we Canadians are
smarter than Americans...I maintain our policies are just failing
at a slower rate...the end result is the same...unlivable cities.

>(And, to satisfy my curiosity:  since you believe that our society is in
>a state of decay, when do you think the rot started to set in?  1968?
>1946?  1867?)
>

I think our current woes arose from the unearned postwar prosperity
of North America, which has screwed up the value systems of several
generations.

Gerald
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal)
Subject: Re: Career Opportunities ads in major Canadian newspapers
Summary: for montreal  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  job
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:44:00 GMT

In article <1jncqeINNjfc@access.usask.ca>, srikant@skorpio.usask.ca (Srikant Subramaniam) writes...
>I would like to on what days of the week do the major Canadian newspapers
>carry the  Career Opportunities ads ?
the Montreal Gazette publishes them on Saturdays, with a smaller selection 
on Wednesdays.

i know that La Presse has them on Saturdays too -- other days i'm not sure 
about.  a rep. from Robert Half suggested i try a La Presse when the 
Gazette's ads were wearing a little thin -- you'd be surprised how many 
places completely ignore the English media!

"Who's Michael Jackson?!"
	-- dialogue from "Hearts Afire", CBS-TV, January 18/93

Rosemary Warren		rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Canada as No. n (was: US as No. 1)
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1k1lodINN830@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <1993Jan26.010254.1@vxdesy.desy.de>
	<C1GLop.8ts.1@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:39:13 GMT

In article <C1GLop.8ts.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

   In any case, I'm sure even Godrey would concede that a country that
   has given Panfir to the world cannot be that bad. :-)

I, of course, meant "Zamfir".  That what happens when you post at
dawn.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal)
Subject: day passes on STCUM (was Re: canadian subway)
Summary:  i think they are still available
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  metro, subway, Montreal
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:24:00 GMT

In article <C0pyxC.J2u@cs.mcgill.ca>, wheelan@cs.mcgill.ca (Bill HEELAN) writes...
> 
>  I wonder if the city has ever considered day passes (or even several-day
>  passes)?  A few tourists have mentioned this to me as a good idea.  Even
>  though I only use the transit system a few times a month, there are times
>  (Christmas shopping :-) when I seem to spend the entire day going from
>  place to place, and don't want to blow $10 or more on the trip.
> 
before the rates went up in january, i remember seeing a rate card that 
included the line "carte de congres" and a price per day (approximately two 
bus tickets, if i recall correctly).

if such a thing is still available, i am very surprised that this is not 
actively publicized in the tourist publications -- considering how 
prominently public-transit directions to the hot attractions and shopping 
areas are advertised.

one CAM pass-holder's views.

"Who's Michael Jackson?!"
	-- dialogue from "Hearts Afire", CBS-TV, January 18/93

Rosemary Warren		rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
From: gt7627b@prism.gatech.EDU (gt7627b THORNE,STEPHEN PHILIP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Food choices
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:06:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



There is no better spectrum of quality and choice than in U.S.
supermarkets.

In article <1993Jan27.053839.13816@Princeton.EDU> nfs@hart 
(Norbert Schlenker) writes:
>Well, you simply haven't tried the right things.  I still find it
>absolutely necessary to import (or beg a Care package full of)
>Stretch and Seal (because American plastic wrap is shit), Coyote
>Pancake Mix (because American pancake mix is shit), and Marks &
>Sparks Extra Strong Tea (I know, I know, it's not really Canadian,
>but American tea is shit).

First of all, America is great because you're _allowed_ to import
such items.  But my point is, in Canada one has much less 
_choice_!  I can still choose between many more brands here in 
America (even if they are 'shit') than in Canada.

In article <1993Jan28.061105.15410@athena.mit.edu>, cmk@athena.mit.edu 
(Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>you folks back home might find it interesting to know that a major
>chain in the boston area is now selling (and actively marketing)
>the Loblaw's President's Choice line.

I'm not saying all Canadian brands are bad.  America's strong market
system allows the entrance of such new products here.  If there is 
enough demand, then the addition of President's Choice will only
make our stores that much _better_.

'Nuff Said.
-- 
THORNE,STEPHEN PHILIP
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: gt7627b@prism.gatech.edu
From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Crime in Canada vs U.S. Why the difference?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:51:57 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

The central question is pinpointed in the subject title: "Why the difference?"

You can ask the same question in comparing Australia, Europe, Japan, and
most of the first world countries...

High crime in the US... why? Anybody notice that the lower crime rates
in the rest of the first world countries might have a correlation to the
fact that guns are tightly controlled in those countries?

As for the high population of poverty-level people in the US as opposed
to Canada... how about the fact that the US has no social welfare net to
take care of those who fall through?

The US is not a social democracy as is Canada, Australia, the EC, and
Japan. Here everyone must take care of themselves... if they fall down
along the way... there is not the same kind of helping hand as in other
countries. For example,the health system we all know about --- you can
bankrupt yourself in the US if you get cancer or AIDS. But in some first
world countries, even if you loose your job and you're a home-owner,
there is guaranteed mortgage insurance to help avoid you loosing your
home.

By the way, in my many visits to Canada (Vancouver, Montreal, and Quebec),
I have NEVER seen the kind of poverty, disagreeable filth, crime, and
ghettoes that we have here in San Francisco. If Canadians think they
have ghettoes, they should take a visit south...

Cheers

DAVE
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