From: kumar@infonode.ingr.com (Mahesh Kumar)
Subject: Re: HINDUS OFFER PRAYERS AT AYODHYA RAM MANDIR
Keywords: Ayodhya, Babri Masjid
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:07:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.170132.15995@mcc.com> natraj@volos.mcc.com (Natraj Arni) writes:
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>Virendra Verma writes:
  Deleted the rest of stuff related to vermas post.

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>I have been following this thread on Ayodhya for quite some time and I
>find it incredible that there are actually educated and supposedly
>rational people who are trying to defend the indefensible. It puzzles
>me when they openly declare that things like proofs etc do not mean a
>thing. (Like the above gentleman from DEC). If the very basis for
>destroying that mosque is the "fact" that the god Rama was born there
>and that there was a temple, don't you think that it is *very*
>reasonable to ask for proof of Rama's and the temple's existence? I am
>not saying that Rama didn't exist or that the temple didn't exist, but
>the burden of proof is on the hindus, right? Being an agnostic myself,
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>I find this whole idea of God being born at a place quite silly, but
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That explains all the bull crap you have written.

>that is me. But the proponents and supporters of the destruction of
>the mosque claim that things like FAITH and BELIEF matter more than
>hard facts and proofs. Fine, but when your faiths and beliefs infringe
>upon someone's else rights, then you have a problem. For example, I
>can beleive that my father is the king of the Universe. As long as I
>keep that to myself, you might be amused by it and might even call me
>silly, right? But now suppose I demanded a tax from everyone on
>account of my father being the king of the universe, how many of you
>would oblige? Would I be getting the vociferous support of the Vermas
>and the Bhatnagars?
 
 First of all if only you beleive it, then noone gives a damn.  If a 
majority of people beleive it, then we may consider making you rich.

>
>Let's take another example. Suppose some Americans started *believing*
>that the Sri Venkateshwara temple in Pittsburgh is actually located on
>the land where Jesus walked or stopped for a drink or whatever. And
>now they want the place back. What would you do? I suspect you would
>ask for proof.

  Oh no!! only psuedo-secularists like you would.  First of all I would
look at the time periods we are talking about.  If in that time period
there is some recorded history of such deeds I would become suspicious
that such a structure could have existed.  Then I would look for some archeo-
-logical evidence to 'support' the claim (note, I said support,not proove).

  What shocks me with all these psuedo-secularists is they always quote such,
far out examples to support their point of view.  The very fact that you
hypothesize on a event which has no-probability of happening, exposes the
 utter disregard you people have for the real truth.


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>What bothers me more than anything else is that while the rest of the
>world is drawing up alliances and other such arrangements to improve
>their economies eg: NAFTA, EC, The Pacific Rim, Eastern Europe to name
>a few, we Indians have decided that those things are somehow less
>important than this fight over a mosque/temple. Sure we will have our
>temple, but we would have expended so much energy on this, that we
>would be forever behind economically compared to others. That is where

  Your brilliance is very much evident in this statement.  So if none
of this had happened, we would have been a LOT better of.  

Let me bring some of my own american analogy:
Why are these police people fighting drug wars.  Imagine if they had
put all those resources elsewhere, american companies would be kicking
jap. butt.  Look here buddy, these issues are like cancer, we have
to do some positive action to remove it.
   

>we should be concentrating IMHO. But I am not very hopeful. With the
>introduction of Kalashnikovs and AK-47s in Bombay and probably other
>places too (this was inevitable, in fact I am surprised that it took
>so long) we show every sign of becoming another Lebanon or Bosnia.

  Learn a thing or two from lebanon and bosnia.  It is the same divide
and rule policy that has caused such events.  Now the congress party wants
to lebanonize india.
 
>IS THIS WHAT WE WANT?

  If we keep following the same psuedo-secularist policy, we have no
other choice, that is what we will get.

 Mahesh Kumar
std. disclaimer

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>Natraj Arni
>
>Comments welcome. Flames would be ignored.
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