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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Armenian genocide of the Azeri people.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 20:24:08 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <1475100112@igc.org> pnmideast@igc.org writes:

>/* Written  4:04 pm  Jan 13, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
>Copyright Inter Press Service 1991, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
>print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

A Final Goodbye in Azerbaijan:

[Photo by Associated Press]: "At a cemetery in Agdam, Azerbaijan, family 
members and friends grieved during the burial of victims killed in the 
fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh. Chingiz Iskandarov, right, hugged the 
coffin containing the remains of his brother, one of the victims. A copy 
of Koran lay atop the coffin."
The New York Times, 3/6/92

Final Embrace :

[Photo by Associated Press]: "Chingiz Iskenderov, right, weeps over 
coffin holding the remains of his brother as other relatives grieve 
at an Azarbaijani cemetery yesterday amid burial of victims killed 
in fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh."
The Washington Post, 3/6/92

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turkish Soccer, 6th Round results
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:13:37 GMT
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems

In article <69891@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt0702a@prism.gatech.EDU (Muzaffer Kayhan) writes:

|> The following are the results of the games in the sixth week of play in the
|> 
|> Turkish 1st division.
|> 
|> Galatasaray:1 Trabzonspor:1
|> 
|> Altay:0 Fenerbahce:1
|> 
|> Konyaspor:2 Besiktas:2
|> 
|> Aydinspor:0 Bursaspor:1
|> 
|> Gaziantepspor:1 Karsiyaka:1

   *** Bu macin sonucu bana ulasan bilgiye gore G.Antep 1-0 galip.
|> 
|> Ankaragucu:0 Kocaelispor:3
|> 
|> Bakirkoyspor:0 Kayserispor:0
|> 
|> Sariyer:1 Genclerbirligi:1
|> 


                0  G  B  M    A   Y    P
--------------------------------------------
Bursaspor       6  5  1  -   14   2   16
Kocaelispor     6  5  -  1   21   7   15
Trabzonspor     6  4  2  -   12   3   14
Fenerbahce      6  4  -  2   14   6   12
Besiktas        6  3  3  -   11   5   12
Galatasaray     6  3  2  1    9   5   11
Altay           6  3  -  3    5   9    9
Karsiyaka       6  2  2  2    8   6    8
Gaziantepspor   6  2  1  3    5   9    7
Kayserispor     6  1  3  2   10  12    6
Ankaragucu      6  2  -  4    7   9    6
Bakirkoyspor    6  1  2  4    7  13    4
Genclerbirligi  6  1  1  4    4  14    4
Sariyer         6  1  1  4    3  13    4
Aydinspor       6  1  -  5    2   9    3
Konyaspor       6  -  3  3    5  15    3


7.Hafta (11 Ekim 1992) programi:

Bursaspor-Trabzonspor
Fenerbahce-Aydinspor
Kocaelispor-Altay
Besiktas-Ankaragucu
Genclerbirligi-Konyaspor
Karsiyaka-Sariyer
Kayserispor-Gaziantepspor
Bakirkoyspor-Galatasaray

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 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
________________________________________________________________
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: ``We Hear the Cries of [Greek] Hatred...''
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 17:22:47 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <BvH5yp.FD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

> You are disgusting.

You want to think you are exempt, that it doesn't apply to you and your
grandfathers. But it does.


Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
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Date: 6 Oct 1992 05:21:38 -0500
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IRAQI, TURKISH KURDS ENGAGE IN FIERCE BATTLES NEAR BORDER

    Ankara, TURKEY -- Heavy battles involving thousands were
reported Monday night between Iraqi and Turkish Kurd rebels.
    ''The battle is very big,'' said Serchil Kazzaz, an
Iraqi Kurdish representative in Ankara, but he could give no
casualty figures.
    Turkish Kurds have fled to bases in Iraq after staging
attacks in their homeland.
    Tension has grown recently between the two groups over
retaliatory raids by Turkish jets that caused casualties
among the Iraqi Kurds.
    Kamal Fouad, a senior Iraqi Kurdish official, said his
forces would move against the Turkish Kurds if they didn't
quit their bases south of the Turkish border by midnight
Monday.
    Turkey also has been pressuring Iraq's Kurds, who have
achieved a measure of autonomy in the north, to oppose the
Turkish Kurds.
    Kazzaz said about 6,000 villagers and Kurdish guerrillas
were fighting 2,500 to 3,000 Turkish Kurdish rebels
  at Baradust (Khakurk) area where Iraq, Iran and Turkey
meet.
    He gave the deadline set by the Iraqi Kurds as 7 p.m.
local time and said, ''The other side started the battle by
firing on us an hour to the deadline.''
    There was no immediate explanation for the discrepancy
in deadline times.
    Safeen Dizayi, another Iraqi Kurdish spokesman in
Ankara, said clashes were also going on at Haftanin, near
the Turkish border, and at Bazia, farther west and north of
Barzan. He said about 10,000 villagers and Iraqi Kurdish
guerrillas were involved.
    Turkish Kurds of the outlawed
  Kurdistan Workers' Party have been fighting since 1984 for
self-rule in southeastern Turkey.
    Iraqi Kurds depend on Turkey for supplies and as a
transit route for international help.
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: TURKISH FILM AT MILL VALLEY (fwd)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 04:36:01 -0500
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Forwarded message:
>From uunet.UU.NET!cimshop!MTVIEW!ERDER Fri Oct  2 21:25:26 1992
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:12:54 PDT
From: cimshop!ERDER%MTVIEW@uunet.UU.NET
Message-Id: <9210022312.AA11968@cimshop.uucp>
To: TRHSNS%MTVIEW@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: TURKISH FILM AT MILL VALLEY

BERDEL a Turkish movie by director Atif Yilamz, starring Tarik Akan and
Turkan Soray will be shown at the Mill Valley Film Festival on Sunday October 4
 at 1:15 PM.
Location : Sequoia Twin Theaters. (Sequoia II)
           in Mill Valley, California (apprx. 20 minutes north of San Francisco
                                        on 101)
           The theater is located on Throckmorton Ave. (near the depot)
The price is 7 $. For recorded information call (415) 383-5346

Tickets are also available through BASS.
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Accident in the Aegean sea
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:37:52 GMT

I heard on NPR today that the USS Saratoga fired two missiles at a
Turkish destroyer ship during joint excercises in the Aegean Sea.
5 Turkish sailors were said to have been killed and an undisclosed
number injured. The captain of the destroyer was said to be among
the victims.

The captain of the USS Saratoga was quoted to say that he does not
know why the missile system fired two missiles intended for 
Ship-to-AIR interceptions. He said that no live ammunition was to
be used during the excercises. 

This has been a terrible incident that given today's safeguards
should not have happened. My sympathies go to the families of the
victims and survivors. 

The Saratoga is of course a large carrier ship. I did not get any
details regarding the Turkish ship. If someone has additional
detains, please post them. 

NPR did reference the stream of accidents in the US navy that 
actually forced it to halt operations for 48 hours a year or
two ago. 

Spiros
From: branis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Spiros Branis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: TURKEY RESTRICTS VISITORS FROM BULGARIA
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:39:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sci.1992Sep30.143956.1541
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TURKEY RESTRICTS VISITORS FROM BULGARIA. Bulgarian-Turkish
relations received a potential setback on 29 September when Turkey
unilaterally imposed restrictions on Bulgarian citizens seeking to
enter Turkey.  The move is intended to reduce the number of
Bulgarian Turks leaving Bulgaria in search of better job
prospects.  The Bulgarian Foreign Ministry indicated that no
advanced warning was given and is seeking clarification. Effective
immediately, Bulgarian citizens wishing to enter Turkey must
demonstrate that they have at least $70 for each day of their
stay, or $30 if they are part of an organized tourist group. Those
visiting relatives must pledge to return to Bulgaria.  Some
300-350,000 Bulgarian Turks fled to Turkey in 1989 as a result of
a Bulgarian assimilation policy. While perhaps as many as half
later returned, those remaining in Turkey burdening an economy
beset by inflation and high unemployment.  In a new wave an
estimated 40,000 have entered Turkey using tourist visas and have
failed to return to Bulgaria.  (Duncan Perry, RFE/RL, Inc.)
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The extent of the Greek savagery, unleashed in the name of fascist...
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 21:14:33 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <schoinas.717913772@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:

>Well, don't compare apples with oranges. If you want to understand
>the evolvement of "Megalh Idea" and it's role in the politics of the
>Greek state, you can find quite enough material. But for start I could

Yup. While the military coup plans of the "Atina" government made
the Greeks 'illegal intruders' on the island, the presence of the 
Turks, on the other hand, was justified according to the 'Tripartite 
Treaty' signed by Great Britain, Greece and Turkiye in 1960.

The people of Turkiye, following Sampson's coup, urged first Greece 
then Britain to intervene. Both refused. Therefore, Turkiye had 
to intervene militarily to live up to her treaty responsibilities. 
What you "paliks" conveniently decline to do is to reveal the massacres 
that Greeks and Greek Cypriots perpetrated on the Turkish Cypriots for 
almost 20 years prior to 1974. 

The extent of the unprovoked Greek savagery, unleashed in the name 
of fascist 'Megali Idea,' can be seen at the 'Chronology of Greek 
Aggression in Cyprus, published on newspapers and journals. 

The record clearly shows that the Greek Cypriot leadership never
believed in equality between the two communities, have accepted
the independence with great reluctance and then nullified the
constitution in a unilateral fashion, counting on a forceful
fait accompli. 

That's why the United Nations Security Council resolutions, resting 
on the wisdom of hindsight, always proposed a bi-territorial and 
bi-communal federative solution because the record shows that 
a 'unitary' solution ends up with Greeks killing the Turks for 
'enosis' with Greece.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hayes' ignorance? It's the truth here that counts.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:06:08 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <BvD3Ew.HF4@rice.edu> cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:

>>It's the truth here that counts.

>Ok, you have still missed Dave's point.  

Oh, don't I wish.

>If the truth counts, you would like people to know the truth.
>If people are to know the truth, they must listen when someone tells
>	it to them.
>For someone to listen, he must not have been so alienated that he
>	rejects everything you say without listening.

Again, what really counts is how scholars play the game, not 
"wieneramus". 

Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in 
 the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly 
 defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder
 the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."

Source: W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields," 
Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481.

"As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars
 as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre
 of the Tartar population." 

Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24, 
1921 issue of the newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung:"

"As demonstrated by the innumerable declarations, provocative pamphlets,
 weapons, ammunition, explosives, etc., found in areas inhabited by
 the Armenians, the rebellion had been prepared over a long time,
 organized, strengthened and financed by Russia. 

 Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army,
 it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against
 defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the
 sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the 
 Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Subject: Canim Istanbul /Necip Fazil
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:45:19 CDT


CANIM ISTANBUL

Ruhumu eritip de kalipta dondurmuslar;
Onu Istanbul diye topraga kondurmuslar.
Icimde tuten birsey; hava, renk, eda, iklim;
O benim, zaman, mekan asip gecmis sevgilim.
Cicegi altin yaldiz, suyu telli pulludur;
Ay ve gunes ezelden iki Istanbulludur.
Denizle toprak, yalniz onda ermis visale,
Ve kavusmus ruyalar, onda, onda misale.

                       Istanbul benim canim;
                       Vatanim da vatanim...
                                  Istanbul,
                                  Istanbul...

Tarihin gozleri var, surlarda delik delik;
Servi, endamli servi, ahirete perdelik...
Bulutta saha kalkmis Fatih'ten kalma kir at;
Pirlantadan kubbeler, belki bir milyar kirat...
Sahadet parmagidir goge dogru minare;
Her nakista o mana: Olecegiz ne care?..
Hayattan canli olum, gunahtan baskin rahmet;
Beyoglu tepinirken aglar Karacaahmet...
   
                         O manayi bul da bul!
                         Ille Istanbul'da bul!
                                   Istanbul,
                                   Istanbul...

Bogaz gumus bir mangal, kaynatir serinligi;
Camlica'da, yerdedir goklerin derinligi.
Oynak sular yalinin alt katina misafir;
Yeni dunyadan mahzun, resimde eski sefir.
Her aksam camlarinda yangin cikan Uskudar,
Perili ahsap konak, koca bir sehir kadar...
Bir ses, bilemem tanbur gibi mi, ud gibi mi?
Cumbali odalarda inletir <<Katibim>>i...

                         Kadini keskin bicak,
                         Taze kan gibi sicak.
                                    Istanbul,
                                    Istanbul...

Yedi tepe ustunde zaman bir gergef isler!
Yedi renk, yedi sesten sayisiz belirisler...
Eyup oksuz, Kadikoy suslu, Moda kurumlu,
Adada ruzgar, ucan eteklerden sorumlu.
Her safak Hisarlarda oklar cikar yayindan
Hala cigliklar gelir Topkapi sarayindan.
Ana gibi yar olmaz, Istanbul gibi diyar;
Guleni soyle dursun, aglayani bahtiyar...

                         Gecesi sunbul kokan
                         Turkcesi bulbul kokan,
                                      Istanbul,
                                      Istanbul...

                                Necip Fazil [1963]
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