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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 07:40:56 GMT

In article <16791@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:

>Hmmm...I always thought that a pitchers job was to win ball games, so now
>wouldn't the best pitcher be the one that helped the team win the most...
>I guess 19 in a row is just luck and good run support.

It's not 19 in a row, but that's not the point.

Glavine is very good this year, but that's right, his wins are a result of
luck, good run support, *and* pitching very well.  Maddux pitched even better
but had neither luck nor good run support.

Glavine's teammates give him an average of 5.42 runs of support a game.
Maddux' teammates give him an average of 3.35 runs a game.  No difference,
huh?  It is scary that, then, plugging their ERAs and run supports into the
formula (Sup ^ 2) / ((Sup ^ 2) + (ERA ^ 2)) (which is the "Pythagorean"
formula, right?), you get:

Glavine:	.794
Maddux:		.695

Compare this with their actual winning percentage:

Glavine:	.792
Maddux:		.600

Scary, huh?

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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J. Exby)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: humid or dry air ?
Keywords: flight dist
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:31:30 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


This has probably come up in the "high altitude" research
on the distance a baseball will go .etc...

All other things being equal, will a baseball travel farther
when it's hit in humid air (say 75%) compared to dry air (<10%) ?
My intuition says humid air, as it's less dense ?
Anyone out there who KNOWS, post or drop me email.  
thx.


 "This is a formica table."   -LMFAP
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 20:19:15 EDT
From: <IO20643@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,
Subject: ERIK PLUNK UNDERESTIMATED

      In my opinion Erik Plunk is one of the greatest relief
pitchers in baseball today.  I don't see why he is not played
much.  I have a baseball game that simulates the players almost
perfectly and Erik Plunk led the league in saves.  If the
managers would just use him more, Ithink they would be
satisfied with the results.
      I have been following him for a couple of years now, but
somehow I managed to lose track of him.  If anyone knows who
he is playing for, please get back to me.
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks on the Net
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:53:54 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <BuFEsz.71I@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
>>
>
>In short, this is how you should reply to (me, for example) when you disagree:
>No, Rob, you're wrong because your argument [such-and-such] flaws.
>
>Not:
>What? Were you beaten senseless as a child and never recovered?
>
>Nor:
Your idiotic spewings just make you look ridiculous to everyone on the net. Why 
>don't you just give up on having a real brain so the rest of us can live in
>peace?
>
>Not even:
>I fart in your general direction, you wiper of other people's bottoms.  Now get
>out of here before I taunt you a second time.
>

Hey, wait a minute!  Are the Lundymatic Dial-a-Huckabay Heaping-Pile-of-Abuse
Generators out yet?  I think this guy's infringing on copyright...may I suggest
legal action?

Don't ya hate these cheap knockoffs???

-- 
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Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
Be kind...don't disillusion the RBI-lovers. * Net.Agent, "Doublin" David Rossing
Less widely published as Noel Steere; less likely to rampage than Gary Huckabay.
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Amazing Walk Total
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:30:55 GMT
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <9SEP199215090604@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.182541.20103@news.iastate.edu>, sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes...
>>This is one of the most amazing things I've seen this year.

>C'mon, this is the year SAM HORN hit a triple.  If that isn't amazing, I don't
>know what is...  :-) :-) 

Does he win the Willie Mays Aikens award?

>>Randy Johnson   172 innings ..... 124 BB !!!

>>Good grief - is this close to some kind of record for a season?

>Nah, I don't even think it's close.  I can remember reading that Bob Feller
>walked over 200 guys several times in his career (however, that was in 300+
>innings pitched, so the ratio's pretty comparable).  Nolan walked a LOT of
>guys early in his career, too (why swing if you can't hit it anyway...).
>Bobby Witt had some amusing lines in his career.  I'm not sure what the
>true record is, hopefully someone can help us out...

All-time single season: Amos Rusie (HOF!), 1890, 289.  He's also
3rd, 4th, and 10th in the  list.

BUT: the rubber wasn't moved back to 60'6" until 1893.  Record
for "modern" baseball: Amos Rusie, 1893, 218.

Since 1900: Bob Feller, 1938: 208. 

Since 1961: Nolan Ryan, 1977: 204.  These two and Ryan's '74 (202)
are the only post-1900 seasons over 200.

I don't have per-9IP numbers, but one to watch for this year is
Mitch Williams.  Under 70 IP, over 50 W.

Roger
>Of course, Brad Pennington could challenge these ratios, too...
>(Last check, 34 IP, 11 (!) H, 33 BB, 53 K)
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bruce 'Slower than Sam Horn' Hasch              hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
>Brad Pennington Fan Club                        O's all the way in '92?????
>Scarily close to giving up on the O's for this season...
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: arnold@ccscae.Columbia.NCR.COM (Bob Arnold)
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 16:18:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.202702.14944@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <Graham_Sloan.07ri@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Graham_Sloan@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Graham Sloan) writes:
>>I completely agree with you. One need only look at the numbers.
>
>NUMBERS-SCHMUMBERS
>
>The reason Maddux has such a low era and low opp. batt avg is cause he pitches
>in the NL Least. If Glavine had that kind of opposition (remember, the pirates
>least leaders, would be lucky to be second in the west, and would be fourth
>potentially) he'd have Madduxe's numbers.
>
>Good pitchers find a way to win. Last season, the braves went thru a string
>of giving Glavine less than 2 runs support (i think it was 5 starts in a row)
>but he still got the CY AND led the braves to the NL title.
>
>My vote goes to glavine.
>
>flame on.....
>
>-rob
>
>
First off they are both excellent pitchers and both deserving of the Cy  
award.  But it looks like glavine has been sucking pound water lately. Just
about the time Mr. Smoltz proclaimed that Atlanta had one of the best pitching
staff's of all timer, the whole staff started to  get pounded by the East!!
Did Smoltz forget about the Baltimore staff of the early 70's that had 4 
20 game winner's. So question is. Is Atlanta's staff a bad pitching staff  
or are the East hitters great. My answer is the Atlanta pitching staff is a 
good pitching staff but not as goood as you think they are  and the east 
hitters are not as bad as you think they are.  You are probably like most
of the Atlanta Fans the johnny come lately fan who has started watching
baseball the last 2 years and now are experts on baseball. Oh I know youre
going to complain that You have followed the braves for 100 years and you 
were one of the loyal fan who was allways at the games. And there are no 
johnny come lately fans in Atlanta even though the Braves couldn't draw
1 million but now that they are winning they have a shot at 3 million.
See ya on the Band Wagonnnnnnnnnnn
Later, 
Bob Arnold


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:14:29 GMT

In article <1262.2ab05301@atlas.nafb.trw.com> mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:

> Nelson, I don't think that you can make this claim (at least with the *not*).
>
> Remember, If Billy Ripken can hit above .250 for an entire season, it's at
> least possible for Gonzales to walk 100 times.

But it is *much* more possible for Ripken to hit .250 than for Gonzalez to
walk 100 times during the season.  Before his .291 season, in which he got 118
hits, his highest BA for a whole season, for sure, was only a .239.  If you
put that BA into his '90 (.291 season) ABs, though, that would be 97 hits.
The 118 hits (vs. 97) was just a 22% jump.

On the other hand, Gonzalez's career high in BBs is just a 42 (in 595 PA).
To get 100 walks, he'd have to make a 138% jump.  Not likely at all.

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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: ala1@midway.uchicago.edu (Arnie Aronoff)
Subject: another player/actor
Followup-To: players-turned-actors
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:56:51 GMT

While we're at it, let's not forget that Steve Garvey's attempt to break
into the world of entertainment.
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From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 23:12:10 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1992Sep4.183633.20800@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
>In article <1992Sep04.165428.45907@watson.ibm.com> mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:
>>It's getting close. 100AB is about where batting numbers begin to become
>>significant.
>
>I'm not sure what this means.  Are you referring to the general bandwidth
>of batting numbers as they occur?  And *which* batting numbers do you
>mean?  
>
>You can have a significant difference between samples of 30 AB, too.  

Typically, I ignore batting averages, SLG, and OBP until I can get a sample
of at least 100AB. This usually applies to rookies who come up in September
and suddenly hit .320 over 65AB and suddenly the mediots start mentioning
them as future stars. If a guy hits .320 over 100AB, I don't necessarily
believe he's a .320 hitter but I start considering that he's probably a
pretty good hitter. Likewise for those "April All-stars" who are often back
in AAA by May 15.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

The law does not pretend to punish everything that is dishonest. That would
seriously interfere with business.
	-- Clarence Darrow
From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.japan,fj.rec.baseball
Subject: Japan Cetral League
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:24:16 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Labs. Musashino, Tokyo

Japan Cetral League Standing ( Through games on Tuesday September 8th)

                          W   L   T   Pct.   GB
Yakult Swallows          58  49   0  .542    --
Yomiuri Giants           60  52   0  .536    0.5
Hanshin Tigers           56  52   1  .519    2.5
Hiroshima Carp           56  53   0  .514    3.0
Taiyo Whales             53  59   1  .473    7.5
Chunichi Dragons         46  64   0  .418   13.5

---------
  Oops! Yakult Swallows lost three consecutive games.
 To my regret, Yakult Swallos lost the game to Chunichi Dragons by a score of 
7 to 3 Tuesday night at Nagoya Stadium.

   ---- Hiroshi

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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdyas
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:43:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Baseball Birthdays

September 9
Waite "Schoolboy" Hoyt, 1899 (HOF)
Frankie "Flash" Frisch, 1897
Frank Chance, 1877
Alvin Davis, 1960
Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy, 1913
John "Footsie" Marcum, 1908
Jerry Mumphrey, 1952
Dots Miller, 1886
Tom Foley, 1959
Todd Zeile, 1965

--Steve
-- 
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 Steve Smith                      * "We want a pitcher, not a belly itcher." 
 University of Washington HR-20   *    			-- Bill Plummer
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Juan Gonzales (40+ homers before age 23)
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:37:53 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <5773@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>In article <38005@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:

>>Mel Ott, who had some pretty amazing teenage seasons.


>This comment and another I heard the during the Brewer / Orioles game, the
>announcer said that Robin Yount started his ML career at age 18, got me to 
>thinking. 

>It seems that not long ago it was fairly common to see 17, 18 and 19 year
>old kids playing at the major league level.  Now a days it's a rarity.

I don't think  it was ever "common".  Yount, Griffey Jr, Gooden
are current players who started early.  We should note that most
everyone who does come up early and succeeds has a great career.
Bill James has some discussion of this in some abstract or other.

>With guys like Yount starting their careers at 18 and playing 19 or more 
>full seasons to reach their various career highs (hit, hrs sbs whatever)
>is it realistic to expect the guys that come up today at 21, 22 or 23 years
>of age to be able to approach the career numbers of the older players.

It's a huge drawback.  Boggs, for example, came up at 24 or 25 (though
should have been up at 22) and will probably not reach even 2,500 hits
in his career if this year is truly reflective of his current
level of ability.  He missed a good 700 at least by being stuck in
the minors.


-- 
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Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
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From: rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle)
Subject: Re: Rafael Bournigal for Rookie of the Year!!
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:55:35 GMT

In article <bubbuh.i6b@wang.com> bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum) writes:
>aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
>
>>My favorite player the past week has been Rafael Bournigal, shortstop
>>for the Dodgers who has been filling in for Jose Offerman.  The guy has
>>the biggest grin I've ever seen on a major league baseball player.  He
>>is having fun out there.
>
>And, I don't think he's made an error yet, has he?  
>


	Unless you count playing for the Dodgers!
	(ba-dump, BUMP)

	Seriously, though, I think they make you commit an error if you want
to play for the Dodgers. Some sort of Hazing. You have to botch one if you 
want to be accepted by the guys.

-- 
	Brian A. Dunkle               |          "Dig Zebrox!"
	rdunkle@aal.itd.umich.edu <---|--->    bad@emunix.emich.edu
	------------------------------|----------------------------
        <I wish I knew some cool pro-bicycling tag-lines, but.....>
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: My name and a Clemens request (was Re: Kenny Rogers) 
Keywords: eat more ranger moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:37:54 GMT


Now looky here:
---------------
In article <1992Sep3.210018.23744@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert 'Aurelio' Lopez) writes:
         ^^^^^^^

It doesn't matter what I wrote...SOMEBODY's been spreading nicknames.
Surely we can do better than this.

Suggestions welcome...

And could some kind soul tell me for my personal edification, how
many K's did Clemens get against the Rangers on Labor Day?  I keep
hearing this nasty rumor of 8 in a row.  I don't want to believe
that if I don't have to.  I was stupid enough to be attempting good health
at the time.

And an update on post season pontifications...

AL CY:  unless Clemens falls over dead, he's got it locked.  Even though
        others will get 20 wins, Clemens also has that nasty 2.18 ERA.

NL CY:  alright, fine.  Two weeks ago I say Glavine is a lock, and he DOES
        fall flat.  Hope that I don't do this to the Rocket. 
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: More about Sanders/Alou/Karros
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:49:19 GMT

In article <BuFD1G.3Ix@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:

>Good Numbers!  I'm impressed!
>Just a minor question, though.  What the hell do they mean?
>Is low "good"?
>Is this a logarithmic scale?
>What is average?
>Who has the highest numbers?
>The lowest?
>In short, (and to reiterate), what the hell do these numbers mean?
>
>(Begin cross-examination)

High is good.  Low is no good. :-)

What I was using is the system that I used on the RC posts this week.
The "value" of a player is determined in this way: the replace level is
assumed (due to Bill James/David Grabiner) to be 1 RC/27 below the average
level for the position.  The "value" is then calculated in this way:

((RC/27 of player) - (RC/27 of replacement value)) *
(games started at position)/(games played by team)

In case of Sanders, he played CF and LF, so two different values are
generated and added together.  Alou played three positions, so those were
added.

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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Eldred still hot!!!
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:34:56 GMT

In article <56117@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.215415.3858@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
>>Yeah. Too bad Garner decided in April that the Brewers needed to have  
>>'veteran' pitchers in the rotation and sent Eldred down for another year at  
>>Denver.
>
>Is that the official reason they started him in AAA this year? Seems to me
>that Eldred has a history of slight arm trouble that has slowed his rise
>to the majors, so I just assumed that the Brewers wanted to be sure he
>was healthy before they promoted him.
>
   Actually, he just had a horrible spring training. His ERA was about
   10.57 if I remember correctly. He had no arm problems, just couldn't
   get anybody out. Plus, he was getting behind hitters, which Garner
   doesn't like. 

   While I (along with Garner) will probably get flamed for this, I believe
   that the Brewers made the right decision by holding him back. Eldred
   felt snubbed by the decision and when he was called up, felt he had
   something to prove. I don't think he would've pitched as well had he
   been in Milwaukee all year. Still, they could've called him up 2-3
   weeks before they did.

   --salty
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Anyone know if these guys are subject to the expansion draft?
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:56:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep14.184040.13369@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jas4034@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I would like to know if there is anything in the works about a football
>fantasy conference, or if we could discuss such a sport here, despite the 
>conference title.  Seeing as my team is in 5th out of 7 this year in baseball
>fantasy league play, I would like to get a better jump on football, i.e.
>injuries, trades, etc.  I have drafted two teams already, so I'm in the 
>game to stay.  It looks like traffic on this subject is dying anyway.
>
>Reply to me here or via mail please.  Sorry if I'm stepping on anyone's
>foot here.
>
>						-JS

(posting to make sure sveryone gets the message)

I imagine you'd have more luck with that in rec.sport.football.pro.
-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) *  kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Yay!  Gary Blickhan's back!
Be kind...don't disillusion the RBI-lovers. * Net.Agent, "Doublin" David Rossing
Not as much of a clubhouse leader as Alfredo Griffin, but better than nothing...
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From: gerry@macadam.ocs.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: 3 Pitchers
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:40:08 GMT

In article <Medvawu00Uh_Q4lmFe@andrew.cmu.edu> rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Schall) writes:
>The network trivia question during the Thurs. Pirates/
>Giants game was as follows: 
>
>What 3 pitchers faced batters in all three incarntions of 
Bob Friend, Robin Roberts, Hoyt Wilhelm

>the Braves organization: Boston, Milwaukee, and Atlanta?
>
>I didn't see them post the answer. Who knows?
>
>
>
>--------------------
>!!!Richard Schall!!!
>rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu


Gerry Myerson
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