HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Keywords: WBA
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:29:12 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <ku15f5INNcd1@news.bbn.com> ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns) writes:
>I've starting to truing and rounding all my friends wheels for free
>and I just finished building my second wheel!  I built an MA-40, with a 
>Shimano 600 front hub, DT 15-16-15 spokes and alloy nipples.  It came out
>great and I had a blast!
>
>Are there any support groups out there, or is there no hope for me?  
>
>Edzo
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>
>Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's
>supposed to do.
>                -- R. A. Heinlein
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There is hope... for me.  I'll send you my wheels for truing. :-)  I think wheel
builders/truers are an elitist weirdo group if you ask me.  All that time
spent with a spoke wrench hunched over a wheel:  there's got to be something
wrong with them.  Maybe it's just jealousy.  I can't built a wheel if my life
depended on it.  The only times I've even attemped truing a wheel is when
the wheel is so bad I can feel it.

John T Erhardt
From: cryan@sketchpad.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (scott cryan 283-4109)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 7 Apr 1992 20:04:24 GMT
Organization: nasa-jsc

king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
|> 
|> If you get thrown by something you can't react to [such as a chunk of metal
|> suddenly locking your front wheel] will the force release a clipless pedal? 

Definitely. My front wheel got caught in a small rut in the road, sent my bike
to the left, and me over the handlebars and to the right. I remember getting up
and thinking "Whoa, gnarly, clipless pedals work!" I got up, realigned my seat
and handlebars, and off I went.

Well worth the $89 I paid for them in 1989. By the way, I have the LOOK PP66(?),
they are white bodies with the red plastic and adustable tension.

Hope this helps.

Scott Cryan
cryan@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
From: docudisc@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Docudisc Build)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Need Route advice
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:05:12 GMT
Reply-To: docudisc@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Docudisc Build)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

Howdy folks, I'm looking for advice for a route from 
Lincoln & Coe to Zanker & Montague, in San Jose.

My proposed route is as follows:

N Delmas
R W. Virginia
L 3rd St.
R E. Reed
L 11th St.
L Hedding
R 10th St.
L Old Bayshore
R Queens ln.
L Rogers
R Junction
L Junction
R Zanker

TIA

Bill
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 14:38:36 EDT
From: <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: help with crank ID

I got a set of 175 shimano cranks off of a stumpjumper frame I bought (the fram
e is from the lugged w/u brake under the chainstay era).  They have Shimano wri
tten on the chain ring side and have FC-M730 etched on the inside of the other
arm...are these the old deore cranks?  thank you in advance for any help (pleas
e e-mail because I'm pretty shure the rest of the net dosnt care about this sub
ject)....steve   u3c@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: BIKENET's gone...
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:14:35 GMT

According to the Paceline column in the May '92 issue of Bicycling
"Bikenet, the longest-running cycling-related computer bulletin board
system recently went offline after 8 years."

The article also mentions the Bikenet sysop established a bicycling
special-interest "area" on the Garden City Micronet BBS, whose sysop
sez access is free & open to anyone who logs in at 406-251-4427.
Like Bikenet, Garden City echoes Fidonet, "which allows local access
in many areas...".

Would some Fidonet guru please clarify the probability of finding
access to Garden City's bike stuff from a Fidonet system elsewhere?

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
	<freshair.702839238@vincent1.iastate.edu>
	<1992Apr10.160201.5200@javelin.sim.es.com>
Distribution: na
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:17:20

In article <1992Apr10.160201.5200@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:


   >In <1992Apr9.022854.8661@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:

   >>Andy Dickinson (ad0834@csc.albany.edu) writes:

   >>> 	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
   >>> question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
   >>> cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
   >>> least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
   >>> non-leather shoes?

   >(BTW, all of the Avia shoes in the new Bike Nashbar catalog are
   >described as being made of synthetic leather.  They also cost a good
   >deal less, on average, than the leather shoes made by Look, Time, etc.
   >Hopes this helps, Andy....)

>   I wonder what gaseous & liquid/solid waste byproducts come from the
>   synthetic leather making process -- may in the long run be worse for
>   the animals & us than killing the animals for their skins.

No doubt any industrial process is environmentally hazardous... I'm
sure tanning leather is as well... and probably manufacturing bicycles
for that matter!

I'm not denouncing leather shoes for environmental reasons... it's
just a purely moral thing for me.  Sure... for other issues I could
espouse the virtures of vegetarianism as being environmentally
beneficial, but probably not this one.  I just don't think that any
cow would consider it fair for me to wear her skin on my feet! :-) 

>   Sort of reminds me of when it was fashionable to announce one's
>   preference for drinking de-caf coffee so as to avoid caffeine (why
>   isn't this word in Sun's spelling dictionary???).  Only to find out
>   that the process then for making de-caf coffee was soaking it in
>   formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.  Not a very far-sighted fad!!!

How about those new "light" coffees?  I wonder how they get 50% of the
caffeine out?  

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Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:9028 rec.autos.driving:2259 rec.motorcycles:12683
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:02:01 GMT
Distribution: rec.driving
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <iNXqiB1w164w@upchrch.UUCP> joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
>steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:

>> I hope
>> you meant to say that "motorcycles are _perceived_ to be dangerous".

>I'd have to say that the perception is pretty accurate in this matter. I
>did some analysis of accident statistics one time and found that
>motorcycle riders are twenty times as likely to get killed in an
>accident as automobile passengers on a passenger mile basis. It worked
>out as about four times as likely to have an accident and about five
>times as likely that each accident will be fatal.

Your statistics do not support your conclusion at all, although to
suppose they do is a very common fallacy. If we wish to compare the
relative dangerousness of motorcyles and cars we want to know the answer
to some such question as this:

"If I, being equally skilled at riding motorcycles and driving cars were
to undertake the some specific journey with each, what are the risks of
accident, inury, death, etc.?"

The highway accident statistics of (say) death/mile are confused by the
very different types of people and journeys.

Motorcylists are largely young and male, much less experienced, and tend
to ride shorter distances and more urban miles compared to car drivers,
who are (on average) much older, much more experienced, and better
balanced between the sexes.  As it happens being young, male, doing
shorter journeys, and urban miles, are all factors that increase the
likelihood of accident for ANY vehicle. These must all be factored out
before you can assess the relative dangerousness of a motorcycle
compared.

Or else collect statistics from populations of comparable people doing
comparable journeys. I recall that some police force south of London
reported many years ago during a debate in the letters column of
a newspaper (sorry, no refs) that their police motorcylists had less
accidents per mile than their drivers, but were more likely to be hurt,
the net result being equal risk of injury per mile. This was before the
days of seat belts, by the way.

My own opinion is that your factor of twenty times the mortality rate per
mile is adequately accounted for by the different kind of journeys and
riders, i.e., in practice motorcycles are about as dangerous as cars.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: For Sale
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:02:56 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Bridgestone CB-0:  The CB-0 is a cross between a road bike and a mountain
                   bike.  It has road bike deminsions, with mountain bike
                   tubing.  The size is 50cm seat tube, 26 inch wheels with
                   specialized fat boy tires.  The bike is white and clean,
                   with a custom fit rear rack.  I havn't used it much, and
                   seem to ride my road bike more, so it's for sale.  I'm
                   asking $350.00 or best offer.
                                                  Tom  (408) 268-2955 Hm
                                                       (415) 926-3626 Wk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: BIKENET's gone...
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:56:10 GMT

bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>> According to the Paceline column in the May '92 issue of Bicycling
>> "Bikenet, the longest-running cycling-related computer bulletin board
>> system recently went offline after 8 years."

>The "rec.bicycles" Usenet newsgroup was established in 1982 by Dave Menges
>then at the University of Indiana.  By my calculations that makes this
>newsgroup 10 years old!  Looks like we have that piddly little bulletin
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>board beat bad and we are still going strong!!!!

>My thanks to all the posters and postees!

>Bruce

>ps - give yourselves a pat on the back since no one else is going to do
>it for you!

You're being unnecessarily derogatory about a BBS you probably never
accessed.  "wreck.bike" vs. Bikenet never was a competition, so such
denigrating comparisons are unwarranted.  Not everyone has access to
Internet/Usenet, only a lucky few of us, whereas anyone with a modem
can dial up a BBS.  The demise of the BBS reduces the opportunity for
communication between cyclophiles, thus our sport is diminised a
little for us all.  That the BBS was supported by an individual & not
thousands of university, government, & industrial inistitutions makes
it deserving of respect.  Not only that, but the individual secured an
alternate source for the BBS users.

I would have enjoyed your post had it contained a smiley implying
ironic humor; without one, it's narrowminded & cruel.  Does that
describe you're intent?

I find it much more preferable to appreciate *all* the users of both
Internet & BBS's, as I have much to gain & little to use from their
electronic presence.  As obnoxious as some aspects of Prodigy was/is,
I have no problem admitting I did find useful information & made a few
nice friends while I was a customer.

So, lighten up, dude!  Widen your world a little!
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
From: jdr40@ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Are there NO cyclists in Nashville?????????
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:09:52 GMT
Reply-To: jdr40@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr15.084335.1@cc.utah.edu> crayjohn@cc.utah.edu writes:
>Are there NO cyclists in Nashville?  A while ago I submitted
>a post querying people as to the biking possibilities in
>Nashville (as I may be moving there).  The only response I
>received was from a person in Alabama.  Is he the closest
>cyclist to Nashville?  Is there even a bike shop in Nashville?
>Any responses would be appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris Johnson
>Univ. of Utah
>internet: cjohnson@math.utah.edu

WHile I am not from Nashville either, I used to do quite a bit of work
there. The area is really nice and the biking should be wonderful. I used
to stop at a nice bike shop close to downtown and Vanderbilt University.
Can't recall the name because it has been a couple of years. Anyway,
Nashville is a pretty nice town and I do chat with some guys there on
the Compuserve Biking forum. If you want some contacts there, I'll have
them get you some info.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: hoadley@crayxmp.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bryan D. Hoadley)
Subject: Light Saddle Opinion
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Spaces Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:12:39 GMT

>
>I was thinking about spending mega-bucks on a
>new seat for my racing bike and was wondering
>if anyone had opinions about the latest
>super-light saddles they care to share:
>
>1) The Flite saddle, 190 grams for $60+
>
>2) The San Marco saddle 210 grams for $65+
>
>3) The latest carbon shell Flite, 130 grams for $125+
>
>I'm looking to replace my Avocet Gel saddle;
>it's comfortable but is probably about 440 grams!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pete

I ride a flite Titamium Saddle and not only is it light but
it is the most comfortable saddle I've ever ridden in my life!
These feeling are carried by many 2's and 3' and 4's that I ride and 
train with.  I have never heard anything negative about the saddle.

You can get it from Colorado Cyclist for $59+ or take the add to Performance
and they will match that price... 

I highly recommend it and unfortunately I was not paid by them nor did they
give me a free one.

Great product...The new flite is probably just as comfortable and you save
another 60 grams but is the price worth that little weight saving,
1$ per gram...You decide.  I think the feel will be the same.

			Bryan...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: hejl@ssd.dl.nec.com (Mike Hejl)
Subject: Re: Clincher tire opinions sought
Organization: NEC America, Switching Systems Division
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:32:49 GMT

In article <dd7G02Ia0fsJ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III) writes:
>As for wheels, I have heard nothing but good things about the Mavic
>Open 4CD rims.  They are, by far, the most popular performance wheel
>in use today.  I just bought a pair and I like them very much.

I see *many* more Matrix ISOs than I do O4CDs.  Secondly, I have had problems
with the O4CDs: the "seam" broke on one rim, an eyelet pulled out of
another, and they don't stay trued (I do weigh 190#, though).  Further, the
anodizing wears off MUCH faster than the ISOs (not that I prefer the anodizing
in the first place, Jobst :-).

I have had nothing short of exceptional service from ISOs (both clinchers and
sew-ups).  I have two sets of ISOs with well over 20k miles on each with only
minor truing about every 5k miles.  One of these sets even uses alloy spoke
nipples which isn't generally recommended with the ISOs.  Both sets are 32
hole 3x with 15/16/15 DT front and 15g DT rear.  The anodizing is still there
with only minor wear.  The O4CD's anodizing was worn completely away within
10k miles.


-- 
+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
| Mike Hejl    NEC America, Inc.  Switching Systems Division  Irving, Texas |
| hejl@ssd.dl.nec.com    I don't even speak for myself, much less NEC...    |
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From: bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: compliance rate. was: Re: Car vs Cycle...etc
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:37:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr6.173744.54250
Organization: Utah State Univ

stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) observed:
> Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
> laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%...

Unfortunately, there seem from here (Happy Valley, Utah) to be few
institutional forces at work to increase the compliance rate among
bicyclists.  No certification is required and it is rare to hear of
a citation being issued for the common cycling offenses of 1) failure
to stop, 2) wrong side, 3) no lights at night.  Patrol officers whom
you might think were working on their ticket quotas seem quite oblivious
to these transgressions so long as no accident has resulted.

Actually, it appears the same for motorists.  There seems to be a whole
suite of offenses that motorists can commit with impunity, as well.  As
long as no loss of life or property results, no citations are issued.
The famous "California stop" is alive and well in Utah, and turn signals
are the things that get bumped when you're trying to turn.  I'm sure
the compliance rate for motorists, by any reasonable measure, is nowhere
near 90% - even excluding modest excesses of speed.

My conclusion is that travelers of all types tend to do what ever they
can "get away with" if they are not constrained by either a sense of
personal risk or the relatively high probability of a citation.  My
own personal premise, however, is that if anything happens, I want to
be in the right - safe and alive, but right.  That may require yielding
my rights when it is prudent, but never taking someone else's when it
seems expedient.
-- 
Robert Bayn                  o          I carry the relevant sections
Office of Computer Services  \__^\=*          of the Utah Code at all 
Utah State University      (O)""""o         times (and travel by it).
From: kjm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: STI caused crash
Summary: STI caused crash... NOT!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:59:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

In article <1992Apr14.001722.16656@CS.ORST.EDU>, dockd@fog.CS.ORST.EDU
(Dion Dock) writes:
> Here is some advice that sounds really stupid, but you never know.
> 
> In the criterium we held on Sunday, one of my school's riders had
Ultegra STI
> shifters.  He hit a curb trying to avoid a crash, and potato-chipped his
rear
> wheel.  He got a free lap and replaced the wheel with a 7 SPEED one.  It
worked 
> fine, but he went to sprint for a prime, the chain skipped, he did and
endo, and
> crashed.
> 
> Moral: you can run a seven speed cluster with eight speed STI, but
you're doing
> it at your own risk.  Is it really worth it?
> 
     The spaceing [D[D[D[D[Ding between cogs on 7 and 8 speed wheels
is almost identical.  I have infac[D[D[D fact used two different 7
speed wheels in[D[Dwith my Ultegra STI and have had no problems at spoe[D[Deed
all.  The only thing you need to worry about is the freewheel "offset" on
the new wheel.  That can be accounted for by adjusting the little cam that
sits where your downtube shifters would be.  The fact that his chain
skipped makes me think that the problem might lie[D[D[Dbe either a worn
out chain or freewheel.  
  
     The above can probably only be safely applied to Shimano 7 speed
wheels in STI bikes.  If you end up with some odd ball 7 speed freewheel
then you are probably asking for trouble.  But, een[D[Dven this can be
overcome to a certain extent.  By adjusting the cam you can usually get at
least some of the gears to work almost perfectly.  For example I used to
use grip shift with a shimano 7 speed.  I got a wheel change with a Sun
Tour freewheel and I had some problems making it work.  I just adjusted
the cam to make my lower gears work for the hills and then changed it wo
[D to work with my bigger gears in the flat sections.  It just takes a
little thought.
 
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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Paris-Brest-Paris
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:31:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Apr14.144132.25236@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>In article <3377@equinox.unr.edu> sulli_t@pyramid.unr.edu (Tim Sullivan) writes:
>>If anyone saved the articles, or if Pamela herself could reply, I'd appreciate
>>it.
>
>That would be me. Mike Iglesias, keeper of the FAQ, has made them available
>by anonymous FTP. The FAQ is posted monthly and he tells how to get these
>and other articles he has saved. 

They are indeed available via anonymous ftp from draco.acs.uci.edu
in pub/rec.bicycles/pbp.info.  Pamela, I'll send you a copy so you have
a them handy.


Mike
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