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From: hlj@posix.COM (Hal Jespersen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: multiple monitors?
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:21:05 GMT
Organization: POSIX Software Group, Redwood City, CA

My old Supermac 19" is starting to fail [with age, I suppose] so that
scan lines in the top 1 cm are widely spaced and the menu bar is now
unreadable.  I imagine this is a relatively easy adjustment.  While
I get up my ambition to find a repair shop, I was wondering:

How well does A/UX 3.0 work with multiple monitors?  If I got a second
monitor (initially a backup while the first is in the shop), could I
reasonably run CommandShell in either or both?

Assuming the previous answers are affirmative, are there any known
incompatible B&W big screen monitors?  I have a IIx.

Thanks,

					Hal Jespersen
					POSIX Software Group
					447 Lakeview Way
					Redwood City, CA 94062
					+1 (415) 364-3410
					+1 (415) 364-4498 FAX
					hlj@posix.com
From: s902113@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Luke Mewburn)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Shell script for installing man pages (was: man's problems)
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:46:41 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

Just a thought, but wouldn't it be a better idea to use compress
instead of pack for the manual pages? Not only is compress better
with compression, zcat is faster in getting the text out for the
same file when compared with pcat.


(BTW.. I had a simple awk script to convert packed manuals to
compressed ones, maintaining all the links,etc... If yer interested,
mail me.)
From: un032463@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Help/Warning about E-MACHINES & A/UX 3.0
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:26:47 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

Hi all out in net land, just a brief note about E-MACHINES and A/UX:
        The Double Color video board is NOT compatible with A/UX 3.0!
        I spoke to E-MACHINES today, and they said they were aware of the
        problem, but were waiting to see HOW many people had the problem
        before they put their engineers to work on it.

        The woman I spoke to said that there are other E-MACHINES video boards
        that exhibit the same type of problems.  If this is a FQQ, then I am
        sorry, but I have a huge boat-anchor sitting on my desk now, and it
        kind of annoys me!  Any body out there actually using an E-MACHINES
        video board and monitor, if do, let me know!!

                Thanks,
                                        
                                                                Mike Manzo
                                                        West Virginia
University
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From: rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Vendor Problems (was Re: Feelin' Blue)
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:55:31 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:

>levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan) writes:

>>Question1: Does anybody know if the A/UX 2.0 PowerCard driver works
>>        under A/UX 3.0?

>I don't know, but it seems kinda crappy for DayStar (and out of character
>for them as well) to stop supporting their hardware like this.

Let's face it.  A/UX is a small segment of the Mac market, which is already
way smaller than the x86 market.  But this doesn't mean we have to just sit
and take it.

Let's get together a list of vendors who are making life difficult for A/UX 
customers to upgrade to 3.0.  Let's put it in the FAQ. 

We had an E-Machines TX-24 card in our IIfx running A/UX 2, and when we
tried upgrading to 3.0... boom!  We called and were told that no 3.0
compatible driver exists, nor is one planned.  They recommended we upgrade
to one of their newer cards.  And what will they be saying the next time?

-rich

-- 
             Richard H. Schwartz, Scheduling Systems Inc.,
            1000 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA  02138
                  (617) 864 8330; FAX (617) 864 8377
                          rhs@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: A/UX 3.0 Swap Space - How much is enough?
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:52:06 GMT

jaffe@calvin.ssc.gov (Mike Jaffe) writes:




>> With that much memory, it's doubtful that you'll use any swap space
>> at all. Of course, you _need_ to have Swap set aside.

>> What kind of Swap use are you seeing since upgrading to 32MB?

>swap -l provides the following:

>path              dev  swaplo blocks   free
>/dev/dsk/c1d0s1  25,1       0  28672  28672

This means you are using none at all.

It also means there's no need to increase it and if you are _really_
in a bind you could even decrease it a bit (say to 25000 blocks).

You can't decrease it to something outrageous (like 10 blocks) 'cause there
comes a point where even if you aren't using Swap, A/UX (and other UNIXs)
get nervous about how much it has "left" in case it _will_ need it.
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
From: bob@beamlab.ps.uci.edu (bob prohaska)
Subject: /mac on a 2nd disk seems to speed things up
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Organization: university of california, irvine
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:26:49 GMT

Moving the /mac directory to a second disk 
distinct from the root filesystem
seems to speed up finder operations.

If somebody can confirm that the effect is real
(I havent done any careful timings, it just looks
faster) it would be interesting to know, first of all,
WHY it makes a difference, and second, if there is some
way to make the machine autoboot.

At present, autolaunching aux causes a hang, apparently
because the /mac partition isn't available to put up the 
startup screen.  Using launch -v from sash brings aux up
with only minor complaint (another puzzle).

The system is a ci with 8 megs of memeory, a quantum 240 on /
and part of a quantum 210 on /mac.

Any thoughts?

thanks for reading

bob prohaska
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: trondk@hera.ifi.unit.no (Trond Kandal)
Subject: Problems with rdump,- problem is solved !
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:41:41 GMT

For those who remember my problem with rdump.

I had to update /etc/hosts, /etc/hosts.equiv, $HOME/.rhosts for operator and,- what
I forgot to update, $HOME/.rhosts for root.

When I made an entry in $HOME/.rhosts for root everything functions OK !.

Thank to all of you that helped me with this problem.

Sincerly

Trond Kandal.
-- 
System-administrator: Trond Kandal, Institutt for Informatikk, Universitetet i
Trondheim AVH, N-7055 DRAGVOLL, NORWAY   |   e-mail: troka@ifi.unit.no,
trondk@ifi.unit.no   |   voice: +47 7 59 17 26   |   fax: +47 7 59 17 33
"I never make mistakes,- once I thought I had made a mistake,
but I was mistaken."
From: mbp@generali.harvard.edu (Mark B Palmerino)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: CMU Common Lisp and A/UX
Keywords: CMU Common Lisp, CMUCL, cmucl
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:22:17 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA


Has anyone gone through the trouble of getting CMUCL to work on a machine
running A/UX (Apple's Unix)? I'm looking at that daunting task and am
hoping that others have already paved the way.

Thanks.

========================================================================
Mark Palmerino, Ph.D.    mbp@wjh12.harvard.edu     Voice: (617) 345-9500
-- 
========================================================================
Mark Palmerino, Ph.D.    mbp@wjh12.harvard.edu     Voice: (617) 345-9500
From: levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Feelin' Blue
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:49:52 -0400
Organization: Listserv to Netnews Gateway at pucc.Princeton.EDU

Hello,

I just got A/UX 3.0 and have been trying to decide if I can install
it on my venerable MacII. I have a Daystar 40 mhz "PowerCard" installed
to add a little zip to the old guy.

I just called DayStar and they say that they no longer
manufacture/support the PowerCard! Their latest product is the
"PowerCache" and they do not know if the old A/UX 2.01 PowerCard
drivers will work under A/UX 3.0. They recommend scrapping the
PowerCard and buying a PowerCache (bummer...) for which they have
A/UX drivers.

Question1: Does anybody know if the A/UX 2.0 PowerCard driver works
        under A/UX 3.0?

Question2: Does anybody have any comments about the suitability/performance
of the 520 Fujitsu vs the 535 Maxtor HD's (One salesperson says that
Fujitsu is "noisy" (45 db @1 ft) but the Maxtor is (25 db @ 1ft))?

Question3: The Chip Merchant has 4meg simms with PAL for the MacII
at $109.00, is this a "best buy"?

Jerry LeVan (email: levan%eagle@eku.bitnet)
From: jaffe@calvin.ssc.gov (Mike Jaffe)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: A/UX 3.0 Swap Space - How much is enough?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:46:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunova.1992Sep3.154640.13757
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

I'm running A/UX 2.0 on a IIcx which until recently had 8 Mb of RAM. I 
have upgraded to 32 Mb of RAM and am preparing to upgrade to A/UX 3.0. How 
much swap space should I allow for good performance? I currently have 
28672 blocks allocated to swap. I am an inexperienced independent system 
administrator and would appreciate any pointers on reconfiguring the 
system and drives for the new amount. I have an 80 Mb external drive 
allocated to A/UX only, a 40 Mb internal drive allocated to MAC only, and 
a 320 Mb external allocated to MAC and A/UX. Thanks in advance for the 
help.

Mike Jaffe (jaffe@sscvx1.ssc.gov)
SSC Laboratory
 

The opinions expressed herein are solely my responsibility, and are not 
necessarily those of the SSC Lab nor the Department of Energy.
From: Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Vendor Problems (was Re: Feelin' Blue)
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:35:02 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux
Organization: Harvard University Office for Information Technology

In article <1992Aug28.181710.2431@ultra.com>, howard@tybalt.ultra.com
(Howard Simonson) wrote:

> You never know, the next machine/ethernet card you get might be one...

Bugging vendors can't hurt, but I think that it is *far* better in
individual cases simply to read the FAQs and follow the wisdom of
the net before making purchasing decisions.  To this end a better
list of what *does* work would be useful....

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: xrsbg@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov (Steve B. Green)
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs in A/UX
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt MD
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:41:22 GMT

In article <183fioINNg7t@parlo.hal.COM> paul@hal.COM (Paul Sander) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.054029.7176@panix.com> alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
>writes:
>>dundas@chip.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (John Dundas) writes:
>> [Complains that bugs reported via comp.unix.aux and
>>  reports.aux@applelink.apple.com go unacknowledged]
>>[deleted]
>[stuff about purchasing phone support]

Garbage!  Dont tell me that I have to purchase phone support so the
bugs I report can get fixed.

The problem is that Apple does not put enough weight on responding to
reported bugs.  Antonio has been known to respond to some reports but
the stated policy was(/is?) NOT to respond to reports.

To be fair, I am sure that not all reports that I have submitted have 
actually been bugs.  However, I can say for sure that I know of bug(s)
that I have submitted during 2.0b12 (or so) that still exist in 3.0.
So why is that..  Broken by design?  Apple does not care?  The information
never got to the correct person?  What?

I guess I will never know but because of that, I will submit no more bug
reports to Apple.

For comparison, when I submit a bug report to Convex, I get a notice
of receipt within 24 hours and a number to track the problem with.
When the report is delt with, I get another notice of the resolution.
... and we dont even have to pay for that service.  :)
 
-- 
Steve Green <xrsbg@charney.gsfc.nasa.gov>

NASA, Goddard Space Flight Center, Centers For Computational Sciences, Code 931
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: f77 problem
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:15:43 GMT

Norbert Mueller <K360171@alijku11.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> writes:

>While porting a larger app to A/UX I encountered an f77 problem, I am
>unable
>to solve with the somewhat sparse compiler documentation provided:

>during execution of make, after a couple of successful compiles I get:

>Compiler error line 46 of delmol.f: out of node storage


>Can this be solved by setting one of the -N options, any experience
>which one???

No experience but sounds like Nc would be the one...
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
From: johan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Johan van Zanten)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Anyone else noticed this?
Date: 23 Aug 92 08:54:28 GMT
Reply-To: johan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Johan van Zanten)
Organization: UT Austin Computation Center, Unix Services
Originator: johan@pooh.cc.utexas.edu


 Hi, world. I've noticed a few annoying things about A/UX and was
wondering if anyone else had noticed them and if there were fixes etc
etc.  I've read the FAQ and didn't see these probs mentioned, but excuse
me if i missed them. My brain has been acting strange for awhile now. Oh
well.

 The most annoying one i've seen as yet is that file completeion in the
C shell doesn't seem to work at all on my system. (A/UX 3.0 IIfx
5/100+80). When i press 'ESC' to try and finish a name, i get nothin'.
(Well, maybe i get an 'ESC' code.. but it's invisible i can't really
tell :)  This is very annoying, because if i type 'set filec' the shell
doesn't complain that this is not a valid function, which is what you
might expect it to do if Apple had not enabled it.

  Did i miss something really obvious or is this not going to work?
-- 
 	          Johan van Zanten ( johan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu )
         "Trust me, i know what i'm doing." -- Inspector SledgeHammer.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: A/UX 3.0 Swap Space - How much is enough?
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:25:50 GMT

jaffe@calvin.ssc.gov (Mike Jaffe) writes:

>I'm running A/UX 2.0 on a IIcx which until recently had 8 Mb of RAM. I 
>have upgraded to 32 Mb of RAM and am preparing to upgrade to A/UX 3.0. How 
>much swap space should I allow for good performance? I currently have 
>28672 blocks allocated to swap. I am an inexperienced independent system 
>administrator and would appreciate any pointers on reconfiguring the 
>system and drives for the new amount. I have an 80 Mb external drive 
>allocated to A/UX only, a 40 Mb internal drive allocated to MAC only, and 
>a 320 Mb external allocated to MAC and A/UX. Thanks in advance for the 
>help.

With that much memory, it's doubtful that you'll use any swap space
at all. Of course, you _need_ to have Swap set aside.

What kind of Swap use are you seeing since upgrading to 32MB?
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
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From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: slip under A/UX 3.0
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:42:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I just spent a frustrating evening trying to get slip working on my Q700.
I rebuilt the kernel with 'newconfig cslip' and it seemed to work fine.
Once the machine was rebooted, I dialed to my server (using cu and setting
s52=0 on my Telebit 2500 so it wouldn't hang up the line when I quit cu).
I then configured the interface with slattach and ifconfig.  I then set
up the route table with route add default.  Doing a netstat -rn seemed to
show things the way I expected.  Attempting to ping my workstation at work
causes the SD light on the modem to flash on and off, but nothing seems to
come back and after a few minutes, a message appears on the System Console
saying that there was a timeout and the route was deleted.  What gives?


-- 

Dan S.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Mac/AUX networking probs in 2.01
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:20:48 GMT

osh@cray.com (O'Shaughnessy John) writes:


>Greetings,

>Someone running A/UX 2.01 on a IIfx is having sporadic problems which appear
>network related.

>According to this individual, Unix networking seems fine, yet certain Mac
>applications behave oddly.  For example. Fetch sometimes fails to return
>control to the user (the little dog keeps running when returning the directory
>of the remote machine.)

>I realize this isn't much information, but are there any Macintosh side/A/UX
>conflicts that I should look into?  Is A/UX 3.0x better in this area than 2.01?

This is almost certainly a result of the way MacTCP is "implemented" under
A/UX 2.0.1 and 3.0. For example, NewsWatcher needed to be modified to
work under A/UX's MacTCP interface.

-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Feelin' Blue
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:32:14 GMT

levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan) writes:

>Question3: The Chip Merchant has 4meg simms with PAL for the MacII
>at $109.00, is this a "best buy"?

Oops, forgot to say to make sure that you can take full advantage of
the 4MB SIMMs on the MacII, get the FDHD ROM upgrade.
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
From: alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: File Sharing Broken?
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:10:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) writes:
>alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen) writes:
>>Even in Finder 7.0.1, Apple has yet to follow the rules it itself laid down
>>many years ago, about providing sufficient background time. This is rediculous.

>Does this also hold under generic MacOS 7.0.1?  In other words, should
>we do the same under MacOS?

Absolutely. It's critical if you want to use any non-dedicated file-sharing
software on the Mac not to leave the finder in the foreground. Under
multifinder it's sufficient to bring up a DA like the Alarm Clock. Apps
like word work fine too. (How amazing. Something from MicroSoft does something
right and something from Apple does the same thing wrong... :-)

--
Alexis Rosen   Owner/Sysadmin,
PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC.
alexis@panix.com
{uupsi,cmcl2}!panix!alexis
From: rob@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Robert K Shull)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Any problems with Quadra ethernet?
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:23:12 GMT
Reply-To: rob@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

Has anyone seen any problems with the built-in ethernet on the Quadra 700?
I'm running A/UX 3.0 and seeing some unusual activity. Periodically, ethernet
activity will cease, with both incoming and outgoing activity stopping.
A ping during this time will show no returns, and netstat -m shows steadily
increasing memory usage. After about 10 seconds, all of the ping packets
will suddenly return, with appropriate values (i.e., from 10000 ms down
to 10 ms).
Pings done from another machine to the same destination machine show no
change, so it's not a general network problem. Pings done from another
machine to the affected Quadra show the same kind of behavior as pings
from the Quadra.
So far we've moved the machine to a different subnet (no effect), increased
various buffer allocations (no effect), and even swapped in a complete
new machine (no effect).
I'm currently planning on adding in a Nubus ethernet card to see if it
has anything to do with the built-in ethernet.
Any thoughts/suggestions?

	Thanks,
	Robert
-- 
Robert K. Shull, Sr. Applications Programmer, Engineering Computer Network
rob@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Disclaimer: OU can't afford opinions, so these must be mine.
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Help : Desktop Problems in A/UX 3.0
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:36:48 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

pablo@malloco.ing.puc.cl (Pablo Millan) writes:

>I install Word 5.0 on the users partition, it works fine, but the monday 
>the folder was gone (looking as Mac). Looking from the shell the folder was
>there. I read in the FAQ that the functionality of the TuneUp was inside A/UX
>It looks like the bug in 7.0 with the folders. (Of course the folder has all
>the UNIX privileges for all).  

Is it possible that someone changed the Folder to invisible?

>Another thing, the documents are loosing icons, if i click in a MPW doc, 
>(even with the correct icon) MPW doesn't start, simply i got the typical 
>message (do you wan to open it with TeachText?).

>How can i rebuild the desktop for all the users?. More, how can i rebuild
>the desktop for root?. I'm using the same system folder for all the users.

When you startup the MacOS mode, hold down the Option-Command keys.
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Mac/AUX networking probs in 2.01
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:02:31 GMT

osh@cray.com (O'Shaughnessy John) writes:



>Thanks for the quick reply.

>Is NCSA telnet's FTP capability any more stable/likely to work?  Should I
>recommend that this user use ftp from the A/UX side of the house to transfer
>files?

The one nice thing about using Fetch or VersaTerm's FTP Client s/w is the
user interface... If people can get used to the Unix-style 'ftp' command
then that's what I would suggest.

I'll test VersaTerm's FTP Client to see if it works.

-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
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