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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: speaking
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:25:52 GMT

In article <ag318+h@rpi.edu> kaminl@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
>In article <21NOV199223562371@rosie.uh.edu> st1y4@rosie.uh.edu (Ann) writes:
>>  And I am quite aware while dreaming that if I do
>>speak I will awake.  
>>     Anybody got any clues as to why this occurs????
>
>Maybe it's because when you talk in your dream, you actually say the words
>outloud, and it wakes you up. I'm pretty sure this has happened to me
>a few times.

I wonder what would happen if you tried whispering in your dreams, instead
of talking aloud.

I'm not so sure that you'll always be audibly talking in real life when
you talk in your dreams.

>When I was younger, people have told me that they'd had great conversations
>with me while I was asleep. I just wish I could remember what I said!

I've read that if you fall asleep within about two minutes of an awakening,
you aren't likely to remember having been awake.  You might have been sort
of awake, in some in-between state.  Or it might have been one of your
dream characters secretly communicating with the outside world, talking
about you behind your back.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body,alt.paranormal,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,rec.arts.books,sci.psychology,talk.philosophy.misc
From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Celia Green and the Institute for Psychophysical Research
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:40:08 GMT

(This is my fifth attempt to get this article posted without my
net-connection hanging or crashing, so if you see it more than once that's
why.)

Is anyone on the Internet familiar with the work of Celia Green and/or the
Institute for Psychophysical Research (IPR) of which she is the Director?
She is the author of a few books with an emphasis on the psychological and
philosophical consequences of radical skepticism (ie the perception of
total uncertainty), and on her theory that the fundamental motivations of
'ordinary' psychology and society are to be found in the desire to avoid
reality, or at least its potentially unpleasant aspects, such as the
perceptions of skeptical philosophy.  
  The IPR has also released a few books chronicling its investigations of
such topics as lucid dreams and out-of-the-body experiences. For those who
wish to investigate, the titles of which I am aware are

IPR PUBLICATIONS
	Lucid Dreams
	Out-of-the-body Experiences
	Apparitions
and two titles by Charles McCreery which I cannot recall, on the 
philosophical problems of parapsychology.

CELIA GREEN
	The Human Evasion (1969)
	The Decline and Fall of Science (1976)
	Advice to Clever Children (1981)



Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Meeting in dreams: the Dream Boat?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:37:05 GMT

The Dreamer offered another place to meet...
 
Well, I figure give our support to the one that's been offered, and
then let's try another place, if the campsite locale doesn't work.  I
agree that it's be pretty tough to tell whether or not you are at the
right place.  There's a load of trees round my place, how am I going
to find the right campsite?
 
Maybe I'll follow that river that was mentioned.
 
                                                  Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kaminl@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: Dying in dreams
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:36:31 GMT

I had one dream last year in which I died. I won't go into the whole dream,
but my death was caused by a nuclear explosion, after which I found 
myself flying over the wreckage left by the blast. It was actually a
fairly enjoyable dream. So much so, that, after I woke up later that night,
I fell asleep and had the same dream again!

I've also had horrible dreams in which I've been stabbed, gouged, or
otherwise graphically injured. But I never died in those dreams; in those
cases, it seemed like I changed into a different dream just before I was
about to die. Or, sometimes I just wake up instead.

In any cases, I doubt that there's anything special about dying in a dream.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE)
Subject: RE: Physical discompfort while lucid
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:37:33 GMT

I have the answer, Fleas.
Chuckle, chuckle. 3-)
Maybe it's the blood draining to and fro for your arm in this particular 
spot and it is basically a loss of circulation.
Sorry for the lame excuse.
I still think it's Fleas.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Under water and I'm gonna drown!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:28:56 GMT

Someone mentioned dreaming about drowning...
 
I had a dream when I was young that I had dived into a swimming pool.
I swam down near the bottom of the pool and then realized I couldn't
make it back up to the surface.  When I awoke, I was "swimming" on my
stomach, holding my breath.  Very odd letting my breath out and
realizing it was a dream.
 
More recently, I was swimming in a dream, and there was a woman's
olympic race going on, but I and a few others were playing in the pool
and we disrupted the race.  I was swimming underwater with my eyes
open (something I don't normally do) and I actually thought in the
dream how much it was like flying in a dream!  (I hate when I ALMOST
go lucid!)

I used to have a fear of water (still do of natural water), but got
over part of my fear by swimming in a pool with goggles and realizing
how much it was like flying in a dream.  It gave me the same sense of
power a dream of flying gives me.  Fun.
 
                                                  Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: side-effect dreams
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:25:09 GMT

In article <By3DFq.x8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dmorton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (daniel dean morton) writes:
>
>unbelivably intense dreams/visions...
> [....]
>  Has anyone elso had experiences where medication has influenced
>their dreams? If so, I would like to hear of them. Dream the
>impossible...

Well, this is impossibly mundane after your story, but when I was growing
up, I got headaches a lot.  When I took aspirin around bedtime, I noticed
that my dreams were more vivid.  I don't notice this effect now, but I
take smaller doses now, I'm larger, and my dreams are getting less vivid
with age anyway, I suppose.

The major drug companies run some of the major sleep labs, in part because
side-effect studies usually cover sleep disturbances.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some on-line database where you can 
do key-word search on drug side-effects to get some clues on what
medications might have dream-amplifying effects.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: st1y4@rosie.uh.edu (Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: speaking
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:56 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

HI!  Ever since I could remember I have had wonderful, action filled, and
in-color dreams.  BUT, occasionally another in the dream has encouraged
me to speak -- out loud -- but in the cases I have done so, I have 
woken up immediately!  And I am quite aware while dreaming that if I do
speak I will awake.  
     Anybody got any clues as to why this occurs????

     I would love to hear them!!!!!!  :-)

By the way, I'm Ann.  Yeah, nice to meet ya'll too!
       st1y4@jetson.uh.edu

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: dmorton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Daniel Morton)
Subject: unseen dreams?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:09:12 GMT


Does anyone out there know if any research has been down on the dreams
of people who have been blind from birth? Since my dreams usually don't
have much in the way of smells, sound, or tactile sensation, just visual
images, I would like to know if their dreams are based on these, their
only(?) sensory experience. Or maybe their dreams are just the flow of
ideas with no visual representation? -Thanx-

 
-- 
"Awright, let's forget the bullshit and get on with the so-called art"
                      --  Charles Bukowski  --  
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: puh@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jennifer M. Hall)
Subject: Opinions?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:03:13 GMT



The other night I had a dream that really didn't scare me, but left me with
a lot of questions about it.  I dreamt that I was experiencing very sharp
pains in my heart.  I went to the doctor and he said he would have to 
perform surgery right away, but he never said what the problem was.  I
asked him about the incision.  He told me it would run from the wrist on
my left hand, up my arm, and to my heart.  I remember being put to sleep
with anesthesia in my dream and waking up.  When I woke up I felt 100%
better with no pain in my heart at all.  I looked at the scar from
the incision and it only was a small one on my chest. Then the doctor came
in and told me it was all a joke!!!

This dream confuses me because I have no idea why I had it or where it came 
from.

Any opinions?  They would be appreciated.

Jen
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: swansont@sage.cc.purdue
Subject: Just want some input
Originator: swansont@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:56:51 GMT


    Lately I've been have some dreams of being underwater.  Every time this happens I get the feeling I'm going to drown.  However, when I feel that my lungs are going to  burst from the lack of oxygen, I take a breath and everything is okay.  For some      reason I have the ability to breath underwater.  If anyone has any idea what this     could mean then drop me a line through e-mail or post it on the news.  Thanks in      advance.

                                               swansont@sage.cc.purdue
                                               swansotj@feserve


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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body,alt.paranormal,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,rec.arts.books,sci.psychology,talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Celia Green and the Institute for Psychophysical Research
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:35:22 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Nov17.044008.27529@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:

>Is anyone on the Internet familiar with the work of Celia Green and/or the
>Institute for Psychophysical Research (IPR) of which she is the Director?
>IPR PUBLICATIONS
>	Out-of-the-body Experiences
>	Apparitions
>CELIA GREEN
>	The Decline and Fall of Science (1976)

Are you sure this is not the institute for PARApsychological Research?
The titles and your description of her "work" suggest that she knows
little if anything about the area of psychology called "psychophysics".
May I recommend that you also post this to sci.skeptic, if you haven't
already.  I'm sure someone there, perhaps even Martin Gardner, could
clarify this person's approach.
Xref: sparky alt.dreams:4068 alt.out-of-body:489
From: wpalmer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Palmer)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: New Age Music to Induce Lucidity?
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:23:16 GMT
Reply-To: wpalmer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Palmer)
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

In alt.dreams, ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU (ABLB000) writes:

>Today at the International festival for Mind, Body and Spirit,
>in Sydney, Australia, I went to a lecture on New Age music and its
>healing abilities.  The lecture was given by Tim Wheater, a leading
>British New Age musician (a brilliant flautist).  He said that people
>had told him that in 3 hours of meditation, they couldn't acheive
>what 30 seconds of music could...

>He went on to discuss how various vibrations affect different parts
>of your body, but what really interested me was that various tones,
>he said, make you more lucid.

>While he wasn't obviously referring to lucidity in dreams, I was
>wondering if there is a way that can help you "prepare" for a lucid
>dream with the help of music/sounds.
>Does anyone do this?

Does anyone know a good text on vibrational effects on the body? Can
the author of this post be more specific about "vibrations [affecting]
different parts of your body"?

Thanks.

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ll.   _._    . cuz I'd miss myself this year     ..............................
lm.    '     .
 e.  / | \   . I'll find a place inside to laugh
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From: 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Just want some input
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:06:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <Bxrtyv.EtG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, swansont@sage.cc.purdue writes:
> 
>     Lately I've been have some dreams of being underwater.  Every time this happens I get the feeling I'm going to drown.  However, when I feel that my lungs are going to  burst from the lack of oxygen, I take a breath and everything is okay.  For some      reason I have the ability to breath underwater.  If anyone has any idea what this     could mean then drop me a line through e-mail or post it on the news.  Thanks in      advance.
> 
>                                                swansont@sage.cc.purdue
>                                                swansotj@feserve

Well, I believe that maybe you are experiencing anxiety in your sleep.  What's
been troubling you?  Are you a worrier?   Did you do anything that you might be
feeling guilty for?  How long have you had this dream?  Was there any stressful
events that happened before you started having these dreams?  Post it or e-mail
me.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Dream characters with their own minds
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:59:33 GMT

          While stumbling through the library looking for interesting
articles on dreams, I came across the following which blew me away:
 
          "Consciousness and Abilities of Dream Characters Observed
During Lucid Dreaming", Perceptual and Motor skills, 1989, vol 68(2)
pages 567-578
 
          What happened in this experiment was assigning dream
characters certain tasks to see how they would respond.  The tasks
consisted of having the characters:
          -draw or write something opposite or upside down from where
the dream ego stands
          -naming an unknown word (unknown to the dream ego) or
finding a rhyming word for a word.  (The unknown word is in another
language, so the dream ego doesn't know what it means).
          -get a rhyming verse from the character
          -math problems, simple and complicated (not solved by ego in
advance, if possible)

          So they had 92 lucid dreamers report in...  The results were
given in descriptive blurbs that were extremely entertaining (if you
happen to be nuts about lucid dreams, like myself) so I recommend you
go hunt it down, but here's a summary of sorts:
 
          -dream characters SUCK at math.  They couldn't do anything
beyond 6 times 6, I believe.
          
          -dream characters seem to learn.  If you try to root them to
the spot by staring at them in the dream, they sometimes will appear
later in the dream wearing a hood, or some other eye-blocking thing.
Apparently there are cases where the character will appear in a FUTURE
dream wearing a hood.

          -there are cases of dream characters TELLING people they are
dreaming, and causing the dreamer to go lucid!

          -a neat description of a woman who learned how to enter a
dream character's body by "astrally projecting" from her dream body.

          -dream characters seem to act as if they have their own
intentions and feelings, so the author (Tholey) suggests you treat
them as such.  They do get peeved if you try and tell them they're
just dream, and will often say "Maybe YOU're just dream!"

          -discussion can usually avoid violence with a character.
They seem ready to listen and to say their piece.

          -Tholey discusses the threat of becoming MPD by focussing on
inidividual dream characters and trying to make them reapear in future
dreams, but he goes on to say there has been some dream work with
MPDers where the subsystems communicate in dream.

          -There was also a tantalizing hint at the very end of the
article about a device that would allow for talking back and forth,
one person IN dream, the other awake!  Tholey says this is using an
alterred form of a lucid dream inducing device.  Anybody have a clue
what he's talking about?

          Anyway, that's what I got out of it.  I recommend hunting it
down if any of the above makes you drool as much as I did when I found
it.
 
                                        Nik
From: ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com (Ed Stokes)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: qty of sleep/mild depression
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:48:14 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

I have found that I become mildly depressed if
I get "too much" sleep. For me, "too much" seems to be anything
over an average of seven hours per night. If I get into a
cycle of sleeping eight or more hours per night, then I
find that all I want to do is sleep.

Whereas if I get into the habit of staying up until ~1:00 AM
every night (and getting up at 7:00 AM), I feel much better.

So, my optimum amount of sleep seems to be six hours.
This seems contrary to "conventional wisdom". Is anyone
else like this ?

ebstokes@crd.ge.com
From: epyle@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Eric Pyle)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dead in a Dream Ditch
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:44:13 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

Well, I posted once here about how I can't lucid dream anymore
and about curious dreams I have had in the past including dreams
of death. No one replied to it (I think it was too long or something)
Anyways, as far as I can remember  I have died at least twice in my 
dreams.

The first time I died, I remember I was outside in the middle of a 
not too densly packed crowd. It was night and for some reason every-
one was looking up in the sky at the stars and planets. Suddenly I 
heard an explosion and quickly realized that the planets were exploding.
I had this terrible fear of what was going to happen next. Everyone was
panicking, screaming, running, and pointing at the sky. I lost
control of my legs and fell to the ground. Soon after that I heard another
explosion and I felt a quick sensation of pressure on my body and then 
everything turned black. The weird thing about it was I FEALT dead. But
I woke up not to long after that.

The next death dream I had was when I was at my girlfriend's house
and was sitting on the sofa talking to her parents. Then I got this
weird feeling that I wasn't at my girlfriend's house and I wasn't 
talking to her parents. Then the father stood up with a gun and 
started chasing me. I got into a room and tried to shut the door 
before he could get in. In shutting the door he stuck his arm through
and I caught his arm in the door. Unfortunatly  it was the arm with
the gun. I kept pushing on the door trying not to let him in. Then
I  looked at his arm and the gun was pointing straight at my head.
(I don't know how he knew where my head was since he couldn't see
past the door) Then I hear a gun fire and everything went black,
and I FEALT dead again. I woke up soon afterwards.

So I don't believe in the saying about dying in dreams.
					
						Eric
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kaminl@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: speaking
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:33:13 GMT

In article <21NOV199223562371@rosie.uh.edu> st1y4@rosie.uh.edu (Ann) writes:
>  And I am quite aware while dreaming that if I do
>speak I will awake.  
>     Anybody got any clues as to why this occurs????

Maybe it's because when you talk in your dream, you actually say the words
outloud, and it wakes you up. I'm pretty sure this has happened to me
a few times.

When I was younger, people have told me that they'd had great conversations
with me while I was asleep. I just wish I could remember what I said!
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Flying into space (I hate you Scott!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:02:59 GMT

Grrr...
 
I had the great idea of flying into outerspace when in high school.  I
thought it'd be damn impressive to see what happens.  So I flew up as
high as I could, but I reached a point where I couldn't fly any
further, and I started to go down and landed in a dark and gloomy
graveyard.  Two zombies started crawling towards me, digging their way
out of their graves, growling and drooling.
 
I haven't tried to fly into outerspace since.  Can't imagine what my
brain has against the idea!
 
                              Pity me Scott...
                                        Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Just want some input
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:48:06 GMT

In article <Bxrtyv.EtG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> swansont@sage.cc.purdue writes:
>
>    Lately I've been have some dreams of being underwater.  Every time this happens I get the feeling I'm going to drown.  However, when I feel that my lungs are going to  burst from the lack of oxygen, I take a breath and everything is okay.  For some      reason I have the ability to breath underwater.  If anyone has any idea what this     could mean then drop me a line through e-mail or post it on the news.  Thanks in      advance.
>
>                                               swansont@sage.cc.purdue
>                                               swansotj@feserve
>
>

I don't know what it means, but I used to get it a lot.  It is a really
good lucid dream trigger!  (When you find yourself breathing underwater,
you will know that you're dreaming...)  When I started using it as a 
lucidity trigger, it stopped happening as often.  :(

There is one theory that I formulated on why it might happen for me.
There is a hereditary (apparently) condition in my family where (we)
occasionally stop breathing for short periods of time in sleep.  
It has never led to a death, so I think it's harmless (but scares the
heck out of new spouses, etc., when your sweetheart next to you in bed
suddenly stops breathing...) :)  I think that there is some cause for the
temporary breathing cessation, and the underwater dreams are the 
subconscious' way of interpreting it...  But, on the other hand, it may
be that the hereditary trait is the underwater dreams and that is the
cause of the nocturnal breath-holding...  (???)  

:)
Happy dreaming (and breathing)
Angela


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