From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:24:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <10353@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.151932.27950@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

> Ah yes, the homosexual response -- redefine words to have new meanings.
> Child molestation has a clear-cut meaning -- it isn't just rape.

As compared to the Cramer response -- redefining arguments to mean what he
wants them to mean.  Let me present a few examples:

o  A discussion of age-of-consent laws == support for child molestation.

o  Support for possible lowering of age-of-consent laws == support for
   sex with pre-pubescent children.

o  A discussion of when a child is no longer a child == support for child
   molestation.

o  One NAMBLA poster in soc.motss == support for child molestation in the
   "vast majority" of readers of that newsgroup.

o  Several postings in soc.motss discussing positive personal experiences
   with sex during puberty == support for child molestation and support for
   sex with pre-pubescent children in the "vast majority" of readers of that
   newsgroup.

o  NAMBLA marching in the SF Gay Pride parade == overwhelming support for
   child molestation in the gay community.

o  A shortage of people in soc.motss who jump on his homophobic bandwagon ==
   overwhelming support for child molestation in the Usenet gay community.

As for definitions, Clayton, what is your definition of a child?  At what
age is a child capable of handling sexual relationships?  When does a child
become an adult?  Am I supporting child molestation by asking these questions?

>> he should be censored?  Are you saying because he posted to soc.motss
>> we all have to agree with him?  Hell, you post to soc.motss and there
>> are damned few people I think who agree with you.  
> 
> You only have to disagree with him (and all the other defenders of
> adults screwing children) if you want anyone to stop thinking of
> homosexuals as child molesters.  I guess you have your priorities
> straight!

Of course, all they have to do is join the Clayton Cramer Way Of Life
Crusade and all will be forgiven.  Let's disregard facts, evidence,
statistics, psychological testimony--just preach the gospel according
to Clayton and he'll be happy.

Clayton, you still haven't presented *any* evidence that homosexuals are
child molesters.  After more than six months of posting, you still haven't
done even one bit of basic research--e.g., visiting your local library and
reading up on this topic.  Why should anyone join your crusade when there
was no reason for the crusade in the first place?

>> >How about the postings arguing for abolition of the age of consent?
>> 
>> 	I don't recall anyone saying "let's abolish the age of consent
>> so it will give pedophiles free reign to molest children".
> 
> A careful, intentionally misleading answer.  Of course -- because
> NAMBLA has redefined sex with prepubescent kids to not be child
> molestation.

In all of your re-posts from soc.motss, I don't remember any posting
that redefined sex with prepubescent kids to not be child molestation.
If you have any such posting, I would be interested in reading it.

>> >Or the ones arguing that 12 year olds know what they are doing about
>> >sex?  There have been HUNDREDS of such postings in soc.mots in the
>> >last few months.  HUNDREDS.

And I suppose because you say it in all-caps, I'm supposed to be impressed
by this?  This claim is bullshit.

> I've already posted some representative samples of the crap that
> appeared.  I guess you figure that if you tell a big enough lie,
> it'll work, right?

Well, no, Clayton.  After all, it hasn't worked for you despite the big lies
of the past eight months or so.  I've read your (carefully selected and
edited) representative sample--it doesn't support what you've been claiming.
If you want to talk about lies, I suggest you read your own work.

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