HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mut@aber.ac.uk (Michael O Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Rob Bernado
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:51:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


   Last night I went out and got horribly drunk.  I was drinking to
the memory of a very fine man, I wept for a man I had never met, I 
bored a close friend with anger at the death of someone who I'd not
even exchanged e-mail with.  I've been reading soc.motss for over a 
year now but I can still count the number of times I've posted on 
one hand, despite this lack of input I've gotten a lot out of this 
news group.  New friends, feelings of self worth, a level of honesty
I never thought I'd have the strength to aspire to and a realisation
that things in my life HAD to change.

   I pity any new readers (in a similarly hateful closet to the one
I was in last year) to this group who will not have one of my sources
of inspiration.  Rob Bernado's death is a truly great loss.

Mike.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: research on the gay male voice
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: notes of buck rogers
Organization: nelliphobes who hate faggots, and faggots who love them
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:18:34 GMT

yes, daniel has it right: _buck rogers in the 25th century_.

the torso belongs to gil gerard.  no mere male torso, however
well-formed and glistening with sweat, can make up for the appalling
acting of gerard and pamela hensley.

it has a phalanx of hunky winged men (who used to be a *major* fantasy
for me), and at least some viewers - hi, steve! - rent the movie just
to fast-forward from one of their appearances to the next.  jacques
and i have twice tried to watch it on tv, for the torso and the winged
hunks, and to shout catcalls at the acting and direction, but we
couldn't last more than halfway through.  it tends towards the merely
boring rather than the entertainingly awful.

lots of fancy futuristic hardware.  i believe that the queeny computer
voice was supplied by the great mel blanc, who almost surely knew
just what he was doing.  (though probably not *how*.)

*do* like chris black's idea of an interesting range of computer
voices, though.

arnold (whose department secretary at ohio state has the gay male voice,
 so he is pleased to hear the gmv on the phone quite a lot)
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soi-disant thangs (was Re: New queer terminology)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:45:09 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble

It seems I post nothing to soc.motss nowadays except pedantic
followups.  I think I need to either get a life or find something more
interesting to write about.

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.111304.22241@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>As to "thang," I use that word exclusively to refer to the
>>male member (le membre soi-disant virile :-), rather than in
>>a more general sense as you just did.
>Soi-disant?  Shame on you, Jess, unless your 'thang' is capable of
>self-definition, in which case I embrace it wholeheartedly.

Indeed, I think "pretendu" is better than "soi-disant" unless you have
a talking penis.  But in any case I have a notion that the whole
construction is doomed to failure because you just can't put it like
that.  Luckily, the inimitable Frederic Maffray reads all my posts
here since he knows I will ask him about them; and as he is a True
Frenchie he can dispense a definitive opionon.

,
Eamonn
(At least I managed to get through the entire post without mentioning
that "virile" should be "viril".)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: New queer terminology
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:16:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.001835.11227@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug16.225820.13089@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
>(Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>>gay is from a different era, the time of civil rights,
>>   Vietnam, women's lib, gay lib.
>
>We're pass'e, eh?
>
>>queer is new, challenging.  The time of AIDS, Ronald Reagan,
>>   Jesse Helms
>
>Gay isn't (wasn't, to use your terms) challenging?  Coulda
>fooled those of us sticking our necks pretty far out in
>fairly dangerous circumstances.

I guess I'm too young to be "gay," and too old to be "queer."  But I'm
much more impressed at the courage it took to fight the police at the
Stonewall, or throw a creme pie at Anita Bryant on national TV, than I
am at the courage it takes to stage a kiss-in at the Portland Mall.

>>I agree that "queer" is a fashion, but it's a fashion that
>>reflects a new time.
>
>>Is "queer" postmodern?
>
>I'm caught between wanting to take what you say seriously
>and being on the face of it unable to because it seems
>facile and unreflective.  

I see the self-effacing humor in Nelson's post, but I also see a
missing sense of history in it.

>I don't think you've even scratched the surface of the
>difference between gay and queer.  In the process, however,
>you've suggested that gay is something irrelevant, useless,
>outmoded, inert, reactive rather than proactive,
                                       ^^^^^^^^^

Jess, I'm surprised at you.  I expect to hear this odious term from
eager young thangs, but from a man of your judgment and taste!

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"Well, the orgasm was implied."
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.||                 -- Ken Jones.
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Sexual attraction
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:46:52 GMT

In article <63998@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> I'm glad you phrased this in terms of your own experience; I've
> been in the unpleasant situation of being lectured by some rude
> twit about how my tastes in men are "limiting" me.  I, of course,
> then told him to go get stuffed into a garbage disposal.
> 
> But I have noticed that people who don't have strong "physical
> type" attractions don't really grasp the way they work for those
> of us who DO, and it's often expressed something like the way it
> is above.

I'm a firm believer in "de gustibus non disputandem est". Of course,
this doesn't prevent me from doing it all the time. :-) But I think
I've made the point before, that tastes and attractions are what they
are, and nobody is to be praised or blamed for their particular
tastes, in sexual partners or anything else.

I wonder, though, George -- and I hope you'll take this in the
friendly spirit in which it's intended -- whether what you've
experienced is sometimes a bit of overreaction to the fact that you
have a habit of being a mite assertive about your own tastes, at least
in this venue. Know what I mean?

Robert
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: sweaty sex
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 02:17:02 GMT

dear, pristine arne adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:
 
> [Arnold Zwicky (amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote that,
>  yes, he and jacques and dean-token dino sweat and *enjoy* it...]
> 
> Oh my.  Well, I don't know if I should feel cheated or relieved
> that you aren't in my office right now.

My guess: *you* feel relieved, *I* feel cheated.

> But Arnold, I was talking about the scenes set in bedrooms
> (or on pool tables or whatever) in which the protagonists sweat
> as if they *were* in a sauna or steam room.  They often look as
> if the makeup people had just hosed them down.

Arne, I'm sure he knew that, but thought you might
find his sauna story *steamy*.

But just in case you need another example, I do.
In fact [I hope arnold is happy to hear], I sweat
rather easily.  Which is fortunate, or vice versa,
since I agree with arnold on...matters of taste.
Which is also fortunate because it thereby saves
my having to retype his article.

--jns
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR:9 CO:2)
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:46:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug16.224618.12696
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug16.154331.3346@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>Could the proposed anti-gay laws in CO and OR be construed to outlaw
>gay bars?

It certainly could. 

It's really not obvious WHAT the Oregon law would mean. We keep saying
things like "it will make all gay state employees be fired" and "it
will pull books off of the shelves" and "it will deny us the right to
gather", and the OCA keeps saying "it won't do anything except keep
those icky homosexuals from getting special rights."

No one really knows. It's fairly clear that parts of the amendment are
at odds with the national constitution. Other parts are not. The fact
is this amendment is so *extreme* that it is difficult to know precedent.

I have a brief memory of something in history, but I might be wrong.
Could a more knowledgable motsser provide details? I seem to remember
that in the 50s/60s some gay bars were being raided or shut down as
gathering places for people who committed sodomy, but that some high
court ruled that this harassment was a violation of the right to
gather peacefully (which I thought was in the Bill of Rights, but I
can't find it now). Am I making this up?

There's a good New York Times article on the OCA's amendment - I think
it was in today's issue.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                       Shop as usual and avoid panic buying
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: I'm back, I hope...
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:49:47 GMT

Well, due to the extreme competence of Auto-trol's IS (Information
Systems, who were formerly Management Information Systems, which 
produced a much more appropriate acronym), our Usenet access has
been down since Friday. It looks like we're back for a while, 
anyway. I'm sorry I was unable to post any replies to Mr. 
Intulexual Crossposter (pronounced Roger Leuthner), but I'm,
as usual, delighted in reading the responses Jess and others
have posted regarding that Bozo. (Or is that Bozoe? I better 
consult my Mr. Potatoe Head (tm) Speling Flash Cards on it.)


Kathy
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Those Who Are Gone Now
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:29:01 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Aug18.025657.588@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Responding to David Christopher Rogers's excellent
>suggestion to add to the FAQ a list of motssers who are
>now gone, he begins:
>
>rob@mtdiablo.concord.ca.us <Rob Bernardo>
>
>To be added:
>
>seth@pbhya.pacbell.com <Seth Miller>
>[???] <Doug Mosher>

SPGDCM@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU <Doug Mosher>

>ozdaltx!root@uunet.uu.net <Robert Scott>
>
>Rest in peace, all, we remember you.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:02:10 GMT

In <1992Aug22.034617.16382@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes, among other tripe:
>(Allen Williams)

Learn to spell, Bobby-boy.  It's *Alan*.  Not "Allen," not "Allan."

--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
From: mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: Need help organizing 5-year h.s. reunion
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:32:15 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

My best friend and I were given the responsibility of throwing the reunions
for our graduating high school class, but we are flat broke and the five
year mark is coming up.  Everyone we've talked to is looking forward to the
event like it's a given that it will happen, but we have no idea how to
go about putting it together.  Has anyone had any experience in this area?
Please help!!!

Mike
-- 
Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: Re: REQUEST from GIRLS:  List of 20 WORST/UNORIGINAL ways to ask a girl
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:58:46 GMT

IN REPONSE TO [shore@tc.cornell.edu]'s REPLY
It says:
>I think there are very few girls here, as the average
>age of an entering freshman is about 18.  I might also
>question the legality of men 18 years of age or older
>hitting on girls - I believe that this is considered to
>be contributing to the delinquency of a minor
>--
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu

Well, JUST TO CLARIFY : I GOT NO BAD INTENTION WHEN I ASK A GIRL OUT    
                        SO, I AM NOT TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO HAVE SEX
                        WITH FRESHMAN GIRLS, OKAY??

Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
From: rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (ryan korniloff)
Subject: Looking for Telent servers in PA
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 05:34:24 GMT




I am about to visit my father in Pannsylvania and would like to keep in
touch with my Internet sites while I'm away. Does anyone know of any
dial-up servers in the Bucks and Montgomary county area? Any numbers woul

be greatly appreciated.


        -- Ryan Korniloff
        -- rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu

Oh yeah, I'm looking for Telnet servers.. And please respond by mail or I
may not get your reply. Thank you.
From: whitlock@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: FROZEN CONCENTRATED ORANGE JUICE EXPERTS
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:55:55 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

I'm doing some research on trade wars between Brazil and the U.S. in FCOJ 
and wanted to know if there were any readers who had any involvements in 
this industry. Issues of pricing, dumping, changes in the technology (shift 
to large-scale tank storage, by-passing of Florida ports with large 
refrigerated ships, etc...). I can always count on this group to be eclectic 
in its interests.

Thanks in advance.
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: Re: REQUEST:  TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:52:45 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.205858.2326@ncar.ucar.edu>, you wrote:

#....stuff deleted...
#for the most part mature WOMEN. This is not just rhetoric. Your whole
#attitude suggests that all you want to do is get laid. This does not
#impress most women......

Sorry Greg.  I am a kinda traditional Chinese from Hong Kong who happen
to be against PRE-MARITAL SEX.  You would have guessed it right, if I
were not a conservatist.
However, you are right that women don't like guys that just want sex.

#Basically they want the intimacy just as much as you do, they just
#don't want to become intimate with a chowderhead. So grow up and
#quit acting like one.

For those of you who "want to get close to women", take Greg's
advice:
        "...grow up and quit acting like one."

Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: REQUEST:  TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:19:36 GMT

Status: R

Hello to all!

I am interested to compile a list of "TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT"
for the incoming freshman guys here at U of Rochester.  Any input/suggestion
is welcome!  I will pick the 20 ways from all your replies that I think are
MOST CREATIVE and post it up in "soc.college" at the end of this month!

Thanks in advance!

Baldwin

(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: Re: REQUEST from GIRLS:  List of 20 WORST/UNORIGINAL ways to ask a girl
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:16:51 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

In article <9208171958.AA18406@moe.optics.rochester.edu> ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) writes:
>IN REPONSE TO [shore@tc.cornell.edu]'s REPLY
>It says:
>>I think there are very few girls here, as the average
>>age of an entering freshman is about 18.  I might also
>>question the legality of men 18 years of age or older
>>hitting on girls - I believe that this is considered to
>>be contributing to the delinquency of a minor
>>--
>>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
>
>Well, JUST TO CLARIFY : I GOT NO BAD INTENTION WHEN I ASK A GIRL OUT    
>                        SO, I AM NOT TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO HAVE SEX
>                        WITH FRESHMAN GIRLS, OKAY??
>                                      ^^^^^^
>Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)   |
                                            |

                   you did'nt get it, boy!
Beatrice
Newsgroups: soc.misc
From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: REQUEST:  TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:58:58 GMT

In article <9208171919.AA18063@moe.optics.rochester.edu> ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) writes:
>I am interested to compile a list of "TOP 20 WAYS TO ASK A FRESHMAN GIRL OUT"

Step one: get a clue. Since you missed the point of the somewhat sarcastic
responses of the women, let me spell it out for you: most human females
old enough to go to college do not want to be called GIRLS. They are
for the most part mature WOMEN. This is not just rhetoric. Your whole
attitude suggests that all you want to do is get laid. This does not
impress most women. If you want to get close to women (a necessary first
step in "getting laid", in case you are too clueless to figure this out)
you have to start treating them like human beings with thoughts and
feelings of their own. Some real advice (from one who is hardly
an expert, I will admit): start becoming interested in them as *people*.
See what they are interested in. Hang out with women that are interested
in the same things that you are. Don't start right off thinking about
sex, it will just get in your way.  Friendship comes first, intimacy
will naturally follow. It is not necessary to "con" them into bed.
Basically they want the intimacy just as much as you do, they just
don't want to become intimate with a chowderhead. So grow up and 
quit acting like one.

--Greg
Newsgroups: soc.misc
From: rashidi@thunder.acs.wmich.edu (Reza Rashidi)
Subject: "Global Nomads as World Citizens: Using our Past to Serve the Future"
Organization: Western Michigan University Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:07:08 GMT
Keywords: global nomads

Announcing....

"Global Nomads as World Citizens: Using our Past to Serve the Future"

The term "global nomads" refers to individuals who have lived pre-adult years  
outside their passport countries because of a parent's occupation.  As the son  
and daughters of diplomatic, military, missionary, international business or  
inter-governmental agency personnel, for example, our childhood learning ground  
has been the world itself.  Given this, we form a unique and distinct cultural  
group with specific characteristics and common experiences. 

Conference Site: Xerox International Conference Center located near Dulles  
International Airport and Washington, DC in a beautiful wooded setting near  
historic Leesburg, Virginia.  Ground Transportation from Dulles Airport is  
available.

Dates: Friday, September 18 at 5 pm through Sunday, September 20
at 2 pm.

Partial Listing of Session topics:

-the Global Nomad Profile: Benefits & Challenges of Internationality-Mobile  
Childhood

-Sacred Objects: Portable Roots

- Half-and-half: For Dual Culture Children

-The Heart of the Matter: Global Nomads in Relationships

-On Being Multilingual: Benefits and Challenges

-Global Nomad Networks and Resources

-The Boarding Experience

For more information, contact Global Nomads International, P.O. Box 9584,  
Washington, DC  20016-7023 (Tel: 703-591-7023)


--
Reza Rashidi
rashidi@wmich.edu
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: REQUEST from GIRLS:  List of 20 WORST/UNORIGINAL ways to ask a girl out
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:24:12 GMT


Hello to all!

I am interested to compile a list of "TOP 20 WORST/UNORIGINAL ways to ask a
freshman girl out" for the incoming freshman guys here at U of Rochester.
Any input/suggestion/experience??  I will pick the 20 ways from all your
replies that I think are THE WORST/FUNNY and post it up in "soc.college" at the
end of this month!

Thanks in advance!

Baldwin
(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Pornography, a H (1)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 01:56:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
Originator: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu

Robert Coleman writes...  (Regarding : Are pronography and rape linked?)
RC> It looks like one of us is going to have to find the original source
RC> because the source I have, F.M. Christenson (see below)  says that the
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On the subject of this article by Dr. Ferrel M. Christensen, it is interesting
to note that he is also the President of M.E.R.G.E., ie., Movement for the
Establishment of Real Gender Equality, the organisation which I recently
referred to, in a previous message.

His organisation publishes material which is appropriate to both feminism and
to the men's movement.  In short, MERGE are "Equalists" in the true sense of
the word.

Perhaps the moderators would like to add this group to the FAQ?  If so, I will
mail some additional information.

---
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ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids
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---
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From: goddard@nextwork.rose-hulman.EDU (Bart Goddard)
Subject: Re: "sexual favors" as a "power base"
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:04:32 GMT

In article <1712j2INN9vf@agate.berkeley.edu> pcg@aberystwyth.ac.uk
(Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
> On 16 Aug 92 14:29:46 GMT, muffy@mica.berkeley.EDU (Muffy Barkocy)
said
> things on which I mostly agree, but maybe she is interested in
knowing a
...

men are told...
women are told...
men are told...
women are told...
men are told...
women are told...
men are told...
women are told...
men are told...
  .
  .
  .
Good greif! Can't ANYBODY think for themselves?

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