From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Uneven felt gravity
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:49:46 GMT
Organization: HTE

In article <Bvp9tI.Myy@encore.com>, bseymour@encore.com (Burch Seymour) writes:
*news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes:

*What, precisely, is an "electromag star". Is our Sun one of these? Can you
*give an example of one? 

*I believe you always point to Jupiter (or is it Saturn) as being this star
*during the antedeluivian times. What caused that star to stop burning?
*How do electro-magnetic effects attenuate gravity on essentailly 
*non-magnetic things, like animals? 

The sun is both an electromag phenomenon and a thermonuclear one.  You learn
in school that the sun is a thermonuclear engine as if the electromag part
was of little consequence.  Were that so, then from the center of the sun 
outwards, it should just get cooler.  That isn't the case;  the sun gets cooler
from the center out to the surface, and then a great deal hotter (this is my
understanding) out to the photosphere.  In other words, the sun behaves like
an electrical phenomenon rather than a thermonuclear one in major ways.

I would recommend you find a copy of "Velikovsky Reconsidered", Warner, 1973
I believe and check out the article by Ralph Juergens.  The group of scholars
who gravitated around Velikovsky regarded Juergens as one of the two or
three geniuses amongst themselves, and he had more to say about the electrical
nature of galactic space, the interstellar plasma, and of stars, than
anybody I am aware of.


But, for the non rocket scientists out there, which surely includes the entire
t.o regular crew, the following Holden version of a WAG/conjecture might be
more meaningful.

Juergens saw stars as focal points of galactic electrical discharges, charged
particals constantly arriving at them at relativistic speeds.  This would
or might allow something like Jupiter or Saturn or something a big larger
of which Jupiter and/or Saturn might be the remains to exist as a low energy
star, if not a thermonuclear star such as our present, larger sun.

Now, picture a 200' lightning rod glowing in an electrical storm.  Then picture
the Ace Lightning Rod company's truck driving up in the middle of the storm,
and them erecting a pre-fabbed 1000' lightning rod only 100' away from the 
smaller one.  The smaller lightning rod would die out;  it would no longer
be the focal point of any discharge or the path of least resistence to
anything.

Thus it might also be were a large star such as our sun to capture one or
two smaller stars such as Jupiter or Saturn, or something somewhat larger
as I have mentioned, Jupiter and Saturn being the remains.

The smaller star would go out, but the people who witnessed such an event
would not have known much of electrical theory or the nature of stars;
they would have written that the old god had grown old, and feeble.

Such is indeed the language you will find in Dr. E.A. Wallace Budge's
Gods of the Egyptians, Dover version commonly available, in the story of the
destruction of mankind.


*
*Several people have shown that for the tidal effects of orbiting near
*a star to reduce the "felt effect" to your requirements would:
*
*   A) Heat the Earth to unsurvivable temperatures
*   B) Tear the planet apart
*
*and that the subsequent journey to our current orbit would:
*
*   A) Cool the Earth to unsurvivable temperatures
*   B) Rip away our atmosphere
*
*Of course this is based on physics. 

Only on their less than perfect understanding of physics.  Nothing in
their version of physics gives a clue as to how a 200,000 sauropod 
dinosaur might survive in our world, when it can be clearly and decisively
shown that a 200,000 version of the strongest man of our age, which would
be FAR stronger than the 200,000 sauropod, would not be able to lift even
half his own weight off the ground in our perceived gravity.


*Now is this part of the group of
*physics that is elegant and precise and allows us to make microprocessors
*and Ginzu Knives? Or is this part of the bullshit liar physics made
*popular to billions and billions of zealots by our buddy Carl Sagan?
*

There is no such thing as "bullshit-liar physics".  Physics is just a 
series of tools, as are also hammers and saws, which we use as a means
of comprehending our environment.

Which is not to say that there are not bullshit liars out there; Sagan's
bullshit "super-outhouse" theory is about as bad as it gets.  That sort
of thing should not be confused with physics or with any real approach 
to any other version of science;  what it really amounts to is an attempt
to advance a super-yuppie career at the expense of truth by postponing
the day when a gang of stupid geriatric astronomers will finally be known
for what they actually are/were.




-- 
Ted Holden
HTE

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