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From: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Tandy Way)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: jaws stuff
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:12:56 GMT
Reply-To: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23798

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I am not going to debate you on this as you said all programs have
their strengths and weaknesses. what I have found in spending one
solid weekend 8 hours a shot playing with jaws is when I started
one of my aplications sometimes it would not say a word until I
shut smart screens off then gradually introduced things like color
bars and levels and things. but cold it would just shut up. no big
deal and I am still on the verge of buying the program if I can
master macros.  because if you can't master macros with jaws you
are dead in the water. Tandy

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From: Kathleen.Mcintosh@f181.n264.z1.fidonet.org (Kathleen Mcintosh)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: more pain
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:27:04 GMT
Reply-To: Kathleen.Mcintosh@f181.n264.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:264/181 - Les's Corner BBS, Richmond VA

Index Number: 23885

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Has anyone used one of those electrical stimulators for managing
chronic pain?  I met a woman who used one, but would like more data.
Some bright news to share: after nearly a year of insurance auditing
into hospital charges relating to my bone marrow transplant, the
insurance company will be paying over $67,000 they've been quibbling
about.  I pay $0!  What a weight lifted off my head!  Hope to hear
from you all soon.

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From: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Hallenbeck)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Art and the Blind
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:23:48 GMT
Reply-To: Cindy.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23869

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 WF> I made braille labels for a lifecasting exhibit which was
 WF> housed at the East Baton Rouge Parish Library. It was not done
 WF> specifically for the blind but several blind persons attended
 WF> and enjoyed the show.
 WF> I, myself, did not like the feel of such things because they
 WF> were so cold and hard. It was certainly not reminiscent of life
 WF> to me.

Hi, Warren,

Thanks for your reply.  The woman with whom I am working said that when
Ms. Shalit, the person who has done much of this work, began the show it
was thought of as just for the blind.  Now it is not, though they do
emphasize that the blind can benefit from it.  It is said that sighted
people enjoy the opportunity to touch exhibits such as this, are
intrigued by the celebrity models, and that especially children enjoy
it.  I am looking forward to taking a look if I can.

Cindy

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From: person@plains.nodak.edu (Brett Person)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Voice Output on PC tied to MainFrame
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:32:13 GMT
Reply-To: person@plains.nodak.edu (Brett Person)
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23959

I would think that any screen reader that could handle 3270 would
work. The IBM Screen Reader has a 3270 script that works quite well
when I've needed to use it ouver a coax.

I'm sure there are others, too.
Hope this helps

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From: Susan.Wimberly@f5.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Susan Wimberly)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Double Talk, Softvert, Telix
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:11:04 GMT
Reply-To: Susan.Wimberly@f5.n382.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/5 - Health-Link, Austin TX
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23810

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Is anyone out there using Double Talk, Soft Vert and Telix
successfully?  My husband is having trouble with this combination.
Until he changed to the Double Talk synthesizer he was able to use
Telix successfully.  Now he does not receive all the information on his
screen; it's like some of the letters in words are missing entirely.
Would appreciate any help.  Thanks in advance.  I'm using Telix, Soft
Vert and my Echo and things are working fine.
          Susan

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From: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:15:39 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.18 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23831

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 CH> Hi, Walter.
 CH> I use a LiteTalk on my notebook for $500, which is the same as what
 CH> Blazie charges for the BNS floppy drive, and I use a copy of the screen
 CH> reader I use on my desktop. The BNS 640 with a floppy comes in at $1800,
 CH> and my notebook with LiteTalk and borrowed screen reader comes at $1500
 CH> retail.

Again, Chuck I am not taking sides.  If we are going to compare
prices however, then let's don't borrow a screen reader.  We have
to include the cost of the screen reader since the braille n speak
has a screen reader.  Frankly, I don't have either, and I really
don't have use for either, but if I were to want one, I might lean
toward the notebook, but I would have to really look at both before
buying either.

Walter

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From: Kimberly.Bobrow@f488.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Kimberly Bobrow)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Connecting To Phones...
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:28:12 GMT
Reply-To: Kimberly.Bobrow@f488.n141.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:141/488 - Alice's Restaurant, Branford CT
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23891

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

In a message to Kimberly Bobrow <07-17-92>, Jim Brown writes:

 JB> You dont need an acoustic coupler.  As I mentioned to Jack a few days
 JB> ago, you can connect to the Telephone with a cord that has the RJ-11 on
 JB> one end and Alligator clips on the RED and GREEN wires on the other end.
 JB> You can patch in at the wall jack, at the terminal block of the phone,
 JB> or even at the mouthpiece (Unscrew the mouthpiece and clip on to the two
 JB> terminals you find there.)  This last connection will not "hear the dial
 JB> tone" so you will have to blind dial.

You are a genius Jim, and thank you very much!  I used exactly this
setup at a hotel recently, and it worked reasonably well.  I had to
use the mouthpiece, and did have some nasty line noise on a couple
of connections, and had to seriously fiddle with how I dialed (my
terminal program didn't recognize the hotel's dial tone as a dial
tone - and I wanted to use my calling card, etc.) but I was able to
check my mail this way!  I think once school starts for the kids
again, I'll finally be able to get them onto SilentTalk!

Thanks again!

--Kimberly
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From: edgar_e@pain.la.ca.us (Edgar Estrada)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: left handed IBM AT keyboard wanted
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:35:31 GMT
Reply-To: edgar_e@pain.la.ca.us (Edgar Estrada)
Organization: Public Access Info Network  (818/776-1447)

Index Number: 23963

[Note from Bill McGarry: See the next article]

I'm looking for a company that sells IBM type keyboards
for the left hand only.
Please e-mail me if you have any information.

edgar_e@pain.la.ca.us

Thanks

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From: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23744

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 Quoting Walter Siren to Chuck Hallenbeck 01 Aug 92 13:56:32

 WS> Chuck, I am not pushing the braille n speak, but if you are going to
 WS> compare prices, let's add to the cost of that notebook, a speech
 WS> synthesizer, and te speech program, and now how much does it cost?

Hello Walter, while you're adding the speech synthesizer and screen
reader to Chuck's notebook, I'm subtracting the cost for both the hard
and floppy drive from it.  For the Braille 'N Speak has neither  What'd
do you suppose they cost?  And what do we subtract for the availability
to run your own MS-DOS programs? And how many times faster do you
suppose that notebook runs than the braille 'N Speak?  If it has a
removable ni-cad, what's that worth? Considering that Chuck obviously
already has Provox and if he used the least expensive synthesizer
around, the external Echo, we can now do some serious calculations.  How
do they really compare?  Keith Bucher.

 WS> -!- msged 2.07
 WS>  ! Origin: The Turning Point -- New Orleans, LA  (1:396/5.18)

... "OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MY MIND!"

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From: Doug.Coyle@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Coyle)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: jaws stuff
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: Doug.Coyle@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23836

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

TW>when a phone number comes on screen jaws misses the first digit every
TW>time. I have yet to find a configuration where it will speak the whole
TW>phone number.

I sense the presence of a challenge.  It might be smart screen.  If
that first number doesn't change then smart screen won't pick it
up.  Just to further isolate the problem, turn off your screen echo
and put a phone number on the screen and tell Jaws to speak frame
zero and see if it picks up the number.  I know that configuration
is useless, but we may be able to figure out where the problem is.
Also, take your jaws cursor and put it on the phone number and do
an insert pad 5 and see if it says the whole phone number.

TW>another weird one I have a pc pursuit dialer that you tag entries in
TW>the city list and the bbs list by pressing the space bar.  this puts a
TW>plus mark to the left of the entry and jaws refuses to see the plus
TW>mark. what do you make of that?

Jaws version 2 has a feature which allows you to configure the
synthesizer's filters and such to manipulate certain things such as
the pronunciation of symbols.  You will find these in the "extra"
menu under universal under voice configurations.  To isolate the
problem turn anything off there that you cann and then set Jaws
symbols to all.  If that don't git it then reverse the process.
That way you will be able hopefully to tell whether Jaws or your
synthesizer is ignoring the punctuation.

===
 * SLMR 2.1a * If it ain't broke, let me have a shot at it !!

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From: Warren.Figueiredo@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Figueiredo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Lavender Braille
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:17:37 GMT
Reply-To: Warren.Figueiredo@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23840

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I suppose the biggest difference was that the Lavender did not work
well. The action was sluggish and quite frankly it felt cheap.

Lavendar buyers soon learned that they had lemons on their hands. I've
been told that those shipped to South America fared poorly in the
climate.

It's gone and deservedly so.
Warren

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From: Laurel.Gealt@f201.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Laurel Gealt)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: I AM DEAF
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: Laurel.Gealt@f201.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/201 - US Telematics, Yardley PA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23896

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

I would like to answer all the people who have been complaining
that I hate the deaf.  These are obviously people who have just
started following my messages reccently.  Let me say -- I do not
hate the deaf.  I AM DEAF!!  Before I lost my hearing, I was a
music lover, and sometimes I think of the outdoor summer concerts
in Philadelphia's Robin Hood Dell.  I think of the warm summer
nights and the Philadelphia Ochestra and David Oistrakh playing
Beethoven's violin concerto, and I cry.  Then I think of the sound
of the rain on the roof and the wind in the treetops and the surf
on the beach, and I cry again.  Then I pick up a magazine and I
read some idiot telling me what a wonderful "culture" it is to be
deaf..

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From: Jeff.Belina@p91.f20.n3603.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Belina)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Jaws macros
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: Jeff.Belina@p91.f20.n3603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20.91 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23808

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Once upon a midnight weary...

04 Aug 92 02:52, Kelly Ford wrote to Jeff Belina:

 KF> When will H-J develop some kind of macro editor for JAWS.  I'm a fan of
 KF> JAWS but find it surprising that a program that relies so heavily on
 KF> macros really lacks provisions for handling them.

What kind of features are you looking for in a macro editor?  It is
an idea that gets batted around every so often.  And I am working
on something on my own time, but I haven't had much time to spend
on it.  Unfortunately as far as development time goes, there are a
number of features people are asking to be added to JAWS, as well
as new synthesizer features that need to be supported.

Thank you for your interest.

Bfn,
Jeff Belina
Technical Support & Sysop of Henter-Joyce Technical Support BBS (1:3603/5297)
Henter-Joyce, Inc.

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From: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: nfb bbs censorship??
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.18 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23721

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 WS> How do you know that?  You only can go by what you hear since
 WS> you are not a part of either.

 WW> Walter,
 WW>     Let me get this straight...

Okay, let's get it straight.

 WW>      You're saying one can't form an opinion on an organization based
 WW> upon what they hear from members of that organization, from opinions of
 WW> others outside of the organization, or from whatever sources they have
 WW> for information about the organization, they have to first JOIN the
 WW> organization, then they can form their opinion!!!

NOw, Willie, I think that you are taking this out of the context
that it has been written.  If I remember that that person said that
her opinions would not be accepted.  In that case, how does one
know if their opinions would be considered if they did not belong
to an organization and try them out.  You can get an idea of an
organization and its policies from its members, but you cannot say
that you cannot have an effect without trying it out.  Now, I might
have an idea of how far my opinions would get in the NFB, but that
would only be bassed on passed experiences in there thirty years
ago, but I deffinitely could not say they would not listen to me
today.  Now, I think that I know they have not changed, but can I
say that for certain.  Anyway I am not going to find out.

I think that you did this just to get me one message higher in your
who is talking campaign.  Well it worked.  <grin>

Walter

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From: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Petraccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Library Problem
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:16:16 GMT
Reply-To: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2610/12 - Post Road Inn, Greensburg PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23833

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

     Two things:

1.  My spacebar has gone so, things may sound and look strange.  Sorry.

2.  (And this is the reason for my message.)  It turns out that the
people in my regional library just killed All my magazine
subscriptions.  Every one, except the braille which they don't
handle.  I was able to call them and they did agree to restart
these subscriptions.  I am not, unfortunately for them,willing to
meekly wait for the mailings to recommence.  I politely asked if I
could talk with the people at CMLS.  They not only refused to tell
me that it would be ok given the circumstances, they would even
tell me what the initials signifyed. Now, I face the task of asking
them to send extra copies for two months because they don't have or
won't use emergency procedures to correct their error.  Can anyone
please suggest a constructive approach which will get me the issues
I'll otherwise miss during August, and most or all of September?  I
don't feel like playing roulette with my reading material.  Lloyd?
anybody?

       This situation contains considerable irony.  Just this past
       week I received a "3RIVERS NEWSLETTER" which they publish,
       and it contained a notice that their budget had been cut.
       Wouldn't I like to talk to my State legislators about
       restoring the money?

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From: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Richards)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Flipper Moves Ahead O
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:01:58 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Richards@f101.n277.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:277/101 - House Of Pancakes, Morgantown WV
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23725

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message 07-29-92 (20:19) From: KEITH BUCHER To: STEVE RICHARDS
KB>Hi Steve, Maybe it could if Doug would have implemented more of
KB>my suggestions.  I don't think he realizes just how few changes
KB>it would take.  Oh well, I tried.

You sure did.  And, hey, you had some success.  The biggest stumbling
block seems to be the many ways the PC cursor is still not recognized
verbally, and I would also have to pick on the lack of cursor beeps.
It's peculiar; most people don't understand what the cursor beeps can
do.  They are a quicker, less-annoying way than verbal prompts to know
when a word processor has loaded, when a disk save is completed, when a
new menu has been displayed, etc.  A single high-pitched beep as the
cursor jumps to line 1 column 1 is one heck of a lot faster than
hearing, "Doc 1 PG 1 LN 1 POS 11" and there's no need to silence the
speech.  If I had to listen to the message lines every time I summoned a
familiar procedure I'd go batty real quick!  We're supposed to be trying
to equal sighted folks in our speed and efficiency, doggone it!

KB>subject, I put out a message about obtaining a program to copy the
KB>volume label and so far no takers.  So how about uploading such a
KB>program in the near future, Okay?  I'm sure others could use it as
KB>well.  And another thing.  Before you got on, I've seen discussion on
KB>here about the dictionary for the Accent, so you might want to
KB>upload yours to BlinkLink so that it can get spread around.  Now if you
KB>could just get each vendor to send you their synthesizer, you could
KB>write a dictionary for each one, those which allow such things, that is.
KB>I have those messages of mine you missed and they're waiting for the
KB>disk. Keith

Ok, I'll try to get that little program written real soon.  It's not
really hard, it just requires direct disk writes.  Good idea; I think I
*will* upload my dictionary to Blink Link.  I'll be getting a disk and
tape out to you in the near future, but at this moment I'm working on
that information for Chuck Hallenbeck.
Steve

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From: Neil.Wallace@p21.f804.n680.z3.fidonet.org (Neil Wallace)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Automatic Macro Expansion Program
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:56:59 GMT
Reply-To: Neil.Wallace@p21.f804.n680.z3.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 3:680/804.21

Index Number: 23689

* Quoting a message of <30/7/92> Jonathan Bucki to All:

  JB> From: buckij@stolaf.edu (Jonathan Bucki) Organization: St. Olaf
  JB> College; Northfield, MN
  JB>
  JB> Index Number: 23443
  JB>
  JB> Greetings, I am searching for a macintosh program that will
  JB> automatically expand text as it is entered. I know they exist for the
  JB> PC's too. But I need one for the Mac.
  JB>
  JB> This is what I mean:
  JB>
  JB> When I type an abbreviation like "jsb" and then press the spacebar, it
  JB> will automatically be expanded out to "Jonathan S. Bucki."

There is a program called TypeIt4Me. It does exactly what you want
and is Shareware - US$30. Get it to try from a local Mac BBS or
user group. It does up to 32,000 characters per entry and 2,700
entries per file. You can have more than one file so only limited
by HD space. It is configurable very easily and accessible from a
corner of the menu bar as well.

Here's what was typed automatically when I pressed the
"Registration" button in the Help screen:

<quote>
Air Mail this form to:
Riccardo Ettore,
Attn. TypeIt4Me,
67 rue de la limite,
1970 W-Oppem, Belgium

                                  TypeIt4Me Registration Form

I wish to become a registered user: apart from a clean conscience,
I'll also get an 800K disk with the latest version of this and your
other shareware programs and written notification should you
further upgrade the program.

_ I'm enclosing US$30 in cheque/cash

_ Charge US$30 to my VISA/MasterCard/AmericanExpress

Card #: _ _ _ _  _ _ _ _  _ _ _ _  _ _ _ _  Expires: _ _ / _ _

Card Holder Signature: _____________________

Card Holder Name in Block Letters as it appears on

card:________________________

Send Package to:

Name:_____________________________

Street:____________________________

City:________________________ State:_________ Zip:______

(Telephone:__________________ Fax:______________________)

(Compuserve ID:_______________)

(Comments:____________________________________________________________)

TypeIt4Me V3.0r beta 10
<end>

HTH.

DNW

PS: I have no connection whatsoever with this product.

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