HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: US bombed Libyan civilians
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:10:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bz3GB1.Gw8@newcastle.ac.uk> Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec10.132618.3474@csd.uwe.ac.uk>, th2_oate@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Tom Oates) writes:
>>
>>When the chips are down, each can be relied upon to help the other. It was
>>the same in WW1, WW2, Korea (remember the Battle of the Imjin River 1951),
>>Vietnam (Yes, Brits in the SAS served covertly), Falklands (thanks Uncle Sam, 
>>for your Satellite info and latest Sidewinders), 1983 Libyan raid, and Desert 
>>Storm 1991. In fact, the only major conflict in Americans and Brits have been 
>>involved without helping one another was an unfortunate affair back in 1776! 
>>
> Just a small nitpick but there was a bit of a tiff around 1814 and 
> a regrettable bit of arson in the washington area. 

It was 1812-ish, and it resulted in that horror known as the United States
National Anthem .  It also may well be the root of the sometimes overwhelming
flag-worship to which many Americans fall victim.  A very minor skirmish,
with such long-felt unpleasant after-effects.

An honorable mention to the major conflicts list is the American Civil
War, aka The War Between The States.  I believe UK money was used to
help finance that war, and was distributed to both sides.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:30:48 GMT

sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
: >COLLINS CONCISE (huh!) DICTIONARY PLUS (london & Glasgow: Collins, 1989) p530
: >
: >Golliwog: n. a soft doll with a black face usuallyy made from cloth or rags	
: >
: >Why's that surprising (even mildly)??	
: >
: >Oh wait a mo: do you mean the etymology?	
: >
: >[C19:from a doll in a series of AMerican children's books]
: >
: >Details please
: >
: >Richard Pennell History NUS
: 
: 
: Should have specified which dictionary, shouldn't I?  Here's the text
: from mine, the difference is interesting:
: 
: 	golliwog or golliwogg n. [After Golliwog, a character in books
: 	by Bertha Upton (d. 1912)] 1. A grotesque black male doll.
: 	2. A grotesque person.
: 
: This definition is taken from _Webster's II New Riverside University
: Dictionary_ (c. 1984).  The word is defined similarly in my father's 40+ 
: year old "Collegiate Dictionary" (can't remember the exact name).  These
: were, of course, published in America.  We haven't got one from the UK
: here, it's in N. Yorks.  We are silly enough to think that we
: don't need the American there or the British here.  So to speak.
: 
	Wouldn't it be better the other way round: the British one in the
USA and the AMerican one in N. Yorks.

Wish *I* was in N. Yorks
Today is a particularly mosquito-ridden day in our rainy tropican haven

Richard 

: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:46:58 GMT

walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>From article <1gdrn0INNnu9@network.ucsd.edu>, by fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister):
>> 
>> It is rather hard to believe that the Stuarts ceased being kings of
>> Scotland when they became Kings of England.
>> 
>But they were not kings of England, they were kings of the UK (United
>Kingdom) when the Union of the Crowns Took place in 1603.

>														GW

I would be remiss in my duties to my ancestors and also to my fellow
Scottish Canadians if I failed to point out the view, espoused by many,
that this union became null and void in 1688 upon the accession of 
William and Mary.

Katherine Merle Mason
Ne Oublie....
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: andrewg@brtph346.BNR.CA 
Subject: Re: US bombed Libyan civilians
Reply-To: andrewg@brtph346.BNR.CA
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:40:53 GMT

In article <Bz9nEr.DxC@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack
Campin) writes:
|>andrewg@brtph346.BNR.CA (Krishna Kushwaha P205) wrote:
|>> The British Government had reasons of its own for disliking Libya. Their 
|>> support of IRA and the murder of the women police officer by a Libyan 
|>> "diplomat". Even if they weren't guilty of the German Disco bombing 
|>> they have plenty of other blood on their hands. Perhaps Britain should 
|>> of bombed Libya itself rather than have the Americans do their dirty work
|>> for them. The RAF killed plenty of German civilians by bombing the shit out
|>> of Germany during WWII, so a precedent exists. 
|>
|>The British have quite a few other precedents of the same ilk to call on:
|>the Amritsar massacre, shooting Welsh miners at Tonypandy, distributing
|>smallpox-infected blankets to Amerindians, bounty-hunting Tasmanians,
|>random killings of Scottish peasants after Culloden, slaughtering a large
|>fraction of the population of Ireland under Cromwell, the RAF bombing the
|>Greek resistance to assist Nazi collaborators in the 40s... Are we supposed
|>to take centuries of psychopathic bullying violence by our ruling class as
|>some sort of moral obligation to cheer them on for more of the same?
|>
|>Why doesn't your login name and personal name match?  Who are you, really?
|>
|>-- 
|>--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow
University,
|>17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855
x6854 (work)
|>INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041
330 4913
|>BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP:
jack@glasgow.uucp
Who said anything about cheering them on. I merely said they could find some
excuse for bombing Libya. Eg. Libya gives weapons and explosives to the
IRA. The
IRA use these weapons and explosives to attack British military and civilian 
targets. The British government could interpret this as an act of War. It could
then go ahead and bomb Libya. Any attempt by the UN to intervene would be 
suppressed with the help of the U.S. Such a course of action would be seen as 
immoral by many people, but when did that stop any politician. All
ruling classes
have historically been psychopathic bullies. That's why the're the
ruling classes.

BTW. My login name does not match my 'personal' name because my 'personal' name
isn't. It belongs to the account's 'owner', my previous manager.

Andrew Grant (that's who I really am).
My opinions are my own of course and are probably not shared by anyone.
                   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: robin@severian.chi.il.us (Robin Carkhuff)
Subject: Re: An ENGLISH monarch??
Organization: Just throw everything in the junk drawer
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:40:14 GMT


>Do you seriously thing that being German is a genetic trait, rather
>than cultural?

For that matter, what bearing do political boundaries have on
cultural heritage?  Germany wasn't even a united country until after
Prince Albert was dead.  Does being descended from a Mayflower
passenger make me English?  I think one's cultural affectations are
at least 89% based on the culture in which he/she is raised...  and
the Queen certainly seems to have mastered English affectations!

Robin
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Borsetshire Echo
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:19:42 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Dec16.144701.10844@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> My feeling is that Shula (who now
> goes to Grey Gables regularly to swim and is also Churchwarden) will eventually
> make Caroline see sense and there will be an enormous reconciliation around
> Christmas, when Robin's kids are coming to stay. I would guess on a wedding
> next year.
> 
Terribly bad form to followup one's own posts, I know, but newsgroup volume
has plummeted so here goes. 


SPOILER (To anyone who is going to listen to Monday's repeat)

Robin and Caroline have begun their grand reconciliation. Robin went into Grey
Gables when Caroline was at her busiest and shouted "I love you" at the top of
his voice (terribly romantic I thought.) She had no option but to go and talk
to him. He launched into his speech about the sanctity of sex and how as a
Christian priest he could only do it within marriage. ("You wouldn't believe
how much I wanted you last weekend; I thought it would be alright but when the
time came I couldn't.) Her reply was a classic of the genre. "There's one thing
I don't understand, Robin. Was that an excuse or a proposal?"  

More news as it comes; and while it does I only woke up this morning in time to
catch this last scene of this week's omnibus. Can anyone who heard more
enlighten us as to the rest of the contents?
 
I have been asked every time I've posted news from Ambridge whether this
couldn't be a regular service. I'm afraid that from me the answer is no: I
can't normally listen to the omnibus, since 10:15 on a Sunday morning is right
in the middle of the first service of the day, and I can't guarantee to hear
every episode during the week because my dear fiancee doesn't understand the
fascination of such a classic fly-on-the-wall documentary series. But if
someone else, or somemany else, would like to post regularly, I would be glad
to fill in occasionally.

Oh, and BTW, since there is a distinct lack of new news today and I've got
nothing better to do the long-overdue beginners' guide will be out today.
Probably.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Anglepoise Lamps
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:42:01 GMT

In article <Bz90Ew.9I1@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>What's been annoying me lately is not being able to remember the American
>name for them. There's a rather famous short animation film which, I believe,
>was the first fully computer generated solid animation ever.
>It's called "Son of XXXXXX", where XXXXX is the name of an anglepoise lamp.

"Luxo Jr."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor)
Subject: Re: Tell me about crackers
Organization: Fujitsu America, Inc.
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:42:25 GMT

In article <suplick.724377812@mikey> suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick) writes:
>Hope this is the right group for this question...
>
>Could someone tell me about the custom of having "crackers" after 
>Christmas dinner?  What typically is found in a cracker?  When did the
>custom begin?  What are its origins?  Is it a widespread custom?  Do
>people make their own crackers?  Any tips on how to put a >crack< into 
>a homemade cracker?

there is a shop called Williams and Sonoma (they have an 800 number).
who supply  English crackers.

Typically inside a cracker you find a paper hat, a very bad joke,
and a cheap plastic toy.
>
>And while I'm at it, what's this custom of wearing silly paper hats at
>during the Christmas festivities?  What's in a Christmas pudding?  Anyone
>have a good recipe?

Christmas Pud consists of suet, mincement, and brandy... Plus silver
threepenny bits. It is very important to ensure
a) Grandma does not swallow the threepenny bits
b) Each of the kids actually finds one of the coins in their pudding
>
>Happy holidays!  ;-)
>
>Jean
>suplick@convex.com
>


-- 
  Paul Taylor pault@ossi.com
"Broadcasting from the mess tent at Much Binding in the Marsh"
From: 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Northern Ireland
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:04:45 GMT
 <1992Dec11.091405.28795@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

In article <1992Dec11.091405.28795@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew
Huntbach) says:
>
>In article <92345.1536392893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>Would it not be logical to have a county by county referendum in Ulster and
>>allow those counties that wish to join Ireland do so, this would reduce the
>>republican population considerably and would make Ulster much more
>>governable.
>>
>None of the six counties is overwhelmingly Catholic in
>population. A while back someone posted a population of all the
>districts (which are smaller than counties) in NI, and none of
>them was more than 80% of one religious background or the
>other.

This is not the information I have seen, Fermangh (sp) for example is
predominantly Catholic as is the southern portion of the province

>
>At the time of partition all the 6 counties that form NI had
>Protestant majorities, though two of them only just so and the

Once again, this is not the information I have seen, I shall look it up
and post the stats but I believe Fermangh for example was over 80% RC as
were/are the southern portions of the province

>balance has since switched, but not overwhelmingly. The
>Catholic population of West Belfast, which elected the leader
>of Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams, as MP, is in the otherwise strongly
>Protestant Antrim.
>
>Some border changes would be sensible, but it should not be
>thought that this would solve the problems.
>
>Matthew Huntbach
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:17:29 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: If the Wales' divorce
 <92346.1713052893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1992Dec15.163714.8251@aisb.ed.ac.uk>

In article <1992Dec15.163714.8251@aisb.ed.ac.uk>, eddie@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Eddie
Rooney) says:
>
>|> >Andy (2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA) wrote:
>|> >> It has been argued that if Charles divorces, he would be unable to
>become
>g
>|> >Kin
>|> >> as he would no longer be qualified to be Head of the Church of England.
>I
>am
>|> >> not sure of that, todays paper cited the example of King Charles II (I
>|> >think)
>|> >> in 1698 who as King, divorced his wife and did not need to abdicate.
>|> >
>
>How about Henry VIII?  Divorce didn't seem to stop him (but then it was *his*
>church.....)

He was granted annulments on the basis of his wives' a) breaking biblical law
(supposedly) by having been married to his elder brother b) witchcraft
c) adultury. Technically, he was never divorced.
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Underground sell-off?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:00:52 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <1992Dec16.091331.23822@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

> 
> Then it's "look how badly these nationalised concerns are
> doing". I still can't see how introducing the necessity to
> extract money from them to pay shareholders' dividends is
> supposed to improve things though.

What's the difference between borrowing from a Bank and paying interest,
and borrowing from private investors and paying dividends? Other than the
fact that the bank chooses how much they want, while you choose what
dividend you pay to the shareholders.

Steve

-- 
Steve McKinty
SUN Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: London Underground sell-off?
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:48:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.184250.17362@netcom.com>, ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams) writes:
|> Andrew Merritt writes:
|> >Has anyone else heard rumours about the London Underground system being
|> >privatised in the new year?  Apparently the lines will be sold separately;
|> >I'm not sure if the stations are to be sold as a separate package (i.e. I'm
|> >not sure how they plan to manage the stations that are interchanges between
|> >different lines).
|> >
|> >Andrew
|> 
|> Since it's not April 1, the only possible response to this is....
|> 
|>      PROLONGED SCREAMS OF HORROR!!
|> 
[...]

On the other hand there has to be some way of infusing London Transport
with more cash, or at least get them to spend more on maintenance.  Not
so long ago (a decade?) they used to clean each tunnel every night so
there was never a scrap of waste paper or other trash anywhere (in
particular the dust was kept within reasonable limits so the fire
hazard was extremely low).  Then they decided this was overkill.  Since
then there have been a few accidents.
-- 
Gerard Fryer                                  |  g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu
Department of Geology & Geophysics            |
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology  | <-punctuate that if you can
University of Hawaii at Manoa                 |
Honolulu, HI 96822-2285                       |
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Anglepoise Lamps
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:01:39 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:

>In article <Bz90Ew.9I1@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>What's been annoying me lately is not being able to remember the American
>>name for them. There's a rather famous short animation film which, I believe,
>>was the first fully computer generated solid animation ever.
>>It's called "Son of XXXXXX", where XXXXX is the name of an anglepoise lamp.

>"Luxo Jr."

ARGHHH!!! That's it...!!!!!!

Luxo = Anglepoise.

Dave
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: soc.culture.british FAQ [was Re: Time to elect a monarch?]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:41:26 GMT

In article <kNHkVB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>With the recent in the Crown, one should speak on this situation.
>
>One must note that despite my Centrist politics, I am an avowed Monarchist.
>But with the recent separation of the Prince and Princess of Wales, this throws
>the current system in doubt and one should wonder if the Magestrate should be
>elected by Her/Her Royal Majesty's subject.
>
>A thought to consider, especially when Poland did it at one time.
>
>BTW, you are safe to assume that since I am a Loyalist that I am  strongly
>Anti-Republicans, and as a British National, I do believe that there is no room
>for a EuroParliament in Britain and hence anti-political-Unification-European.
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
> (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon


When the FAQ is compiled, the above post should be used in the
glossary under the entry "Yadallean".  After some study, I believe
it to be a definitive example of that dialect.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Subject: Re: More silly songs.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:34:08 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


Ah-hem.

While shepherds watched the box at night
All glued to ITV
The angel of the lord came down
And switched to BBC

Thankyou


--
hg798502@longs.lance.colostate.edu
uunet!longs.lance.colostate.edu!hg798502@uunet.UU.NET
I am not a free man, I am a number.
From: mckeonj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Last Name of Royal Family
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:14:41 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Dec14.185604.24619@nctams1.uucp>, n36c@pnet16.cts.com (Rm1 Straight) writes:
> Without causing disrespect, can anyone tell me the last name of the Royal
> family. It would be greatly appreciated.
Pappadopoulos?
-- 
"If England sleeps, shall Ireland dream?" : Se/an macEoin
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: "Green" Cards
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:30:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.181411.20364@hemlock.cray.com>, trk@palm15.cray.com (Tim Kirby) writes:
> Adam King (ark@unislc.uucp) wrote:
> : ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331 (alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com) wrote:
> : : In article 9B8@srgenprp.sr.hp.com, patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
> : : >*>Can anyone tell me why Green Cards are actually blue? Mine is ...
> : : 	Stuff deleted..
> : : NO I don't think so, Mine is WHITE ...
> : : 
> : Really! Mine (British also) is pink!
> 
> I gotta pink one too...
> 
> It may be regional, though I believe the cards themselves are all made
> somewhere in Texas. Maybe it's goverened by 'date' ... i.e. the colo(u)r and
> the date of issue have some meaning.

Just to put the fear of god into you chappies, the last time I went
through US immigration (a couple of months ago in Boston) there was a big
sign saying

	"If your Resident Alien card looks like this" 
	(picture of a blue card)
	"The you should go to your local immigration office immediately
	 to get it changed to this"
	(picture of a natty pink card)
	"as the blue one will be made invalid" (or something like that)

Have a happy non-denominational or even non-religious holiday.
Simon.

-- 
  Simon Patience
  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
  2 Avenue De Vignate				Email: sp@gr.osf.org
  38610 Gieres, France				       uunet!gr.osf.org!sp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: streater@jupiter.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: Tell me about the crack
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:32:46 GMT

In article <91AH028A2fvK01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.203222.24020@ttinews.tti.com> jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>>Evelyn S. Hlabse writes:
>>
>>Anyone know the chemistry of the cracking mechanism? Presumably there's
>>some explosive substance (what?) which is ignited by the heat of
>>friction when the two strips a ripped apart.
>>
>>Reminds me of making nitrogen tri-iodide at school. It went off like
>>a cracker but would be far too unstable to be used for that purpose.
>
>Ammonium tri-iodide?
>
No, it is Nitrogen tri-iodide. Made by dissolving iodine crystals in an ammonia
solution. You get a brown sludge that is NI3 I think and is OK while it's damp.
Once dry, though, the slightest shock and it explosively decomposes. (Er, so I'm
told, Officer, er, er!).

I saw a book at school when I was a kid that had been bombed with
this stuff. There was an incredible brown stain inside the front cover where
the stuff had been. This went through *all* the pages, getting fainter as it
went. The first part of the book was illegible as a result, but you could still
read the latter part of the book.

The material in crackers is probably mercury fulminate, what we had in the caps
in our toy guns.

tin.
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