HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bruce@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More amusing BMW trivia... (christmas continues)
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:47:44 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

>|   my list: '82 R65LS(main), '76 R90/6, '72 R60/5, '65 R60/2, '63 R50/2
>|   '62 R60/2...  well, at least that's most of the cycles.  then there

>  I.e., you don't know anything about Japanese bikes?  I beleive it.
>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
   *******
   oh, sure, but I didn't even bother to mention the XS500 or the XS750
   (with a shaft, even).  ...didn't seem worth it.


   oh, and for those of you who wondered, no -- I didn't do the ski slope
   in the winter -- it was the end of july, and plenty warm, and dry as 
   hell to boot, and I wasn't the only one who had the same idea, as I 
   was travelling with a friend who had a buddy on the back with a duffel
   bag full of icy imports on a 'zuki or yam'  of unknown displacement, 
   and there were a few gentlemen from a social club astride american
   V-twins that we blew (well, more like rolled gingerly) past...

   yeah,I've ridden (and worked on) my own as well as friends' japanese
   bikes, and found them to be ok, in most cases, though I'm not all that
   impressed with the engineering on the new or older bikes, though the
   XS750 does have ~50K miles with one overhaul, but that's mostly hwy
   stuff...
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From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethrowned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:53:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.131137.20938@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
|I don't mind the bloated look, but that stooopud NINJA decal! How can anybody 
|over 25 years of age feel like an adult riding a bike called NINJA?

  I'm over that age by a number of years, at least chronologically (you might
feel the mental age is about right, perhaps), and I have no problem feeling
like an adult riding a bike that says "Ninja" on it.  I really don't care
much for what it looks like (as can be attested to by those that have seen
my idea of cosmetic maintenance) as long as it does what I want, which is
more than I can say for bikes that say certain other things on them...

|  (Oh I forgot, the target market isn't adults.....)

  If you define "adults" as "BMW riders ", I guess you are right.  I don't
think most people define it that way, though.  (Mutually exclusive sets?).

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

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From: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne)
Subject: Re: Learner Help 
Distribution: world
Organization: International Securities Market Association
Reply-To: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:39:59 +0000

In article <1670@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu writes:

>        before you can graduate up to larger bikes...so in a matter of
>        5-6 years you will be able to ride how many cc's?
>
>                        Ryan
>
>
Nah.. The 125 (and 12 BHP) limit is only until you pass your Part II test.
This must be (AFAICR) at least 1 month after your Part I..

After your Part II has been obtained, the sky's the limit. Until you splat !!

Stephen
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From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: To KotL
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:40:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.193056.15988@ncsu.edu> kegunn@eos.ncsu.edu (KAY ELLEN GUNN) writes:
>
>Dear Kotl,
>
>Please issue me a DoD number. I have been reading this group for a month now,
>and I think I am finally ready to be initiated into this estimable group. I
>can flame with the best of you.
>
>Kay Gunn
>'88 Yamaha

Pftpftpftpftpft <!>   That ain't the way it works.

You'd think if she's been reading wreck.moto for a month, she'd know about the
gang-FAQ attacks that happen to people who make posts like this <!!>

On the count, 1 .. 2 ..  3 ...


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
                BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
                          Columbus, Ohio USA
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Engine Theory 101
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:20:38 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 20138@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp, jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:
>
>About the clutch, I assume one has a the power of a rotating shaft from
>the engine transmitted (via the transimission, of all things) to the gear
>which drives the chain, and how this power is applied is related to
>the "gear". The idea of smaller gears providing more torque is easy enough
>to understand... what I'd like to know is the mechanics of what the
>clutch does in all this.

Disconnects that rotating shaft in the engine from the transmission
when you don't want to drive the wheel, and allows a smooth transition
from disconnected to connected when you do want to drive the wheel
(avoiding wheelies *every* time you start off).  Once the engine is
driving the wheel (clutch fully disengaged), the clutch is not
necessary for shifting gears, and you only need it again if you want to
stop the wheel and not the engine.


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:33:46 GMT

Ivan D. Reid (ivan@erich.triumf.ca) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan7.174423.11482@sbctri.sbc.com>,
: 	 asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper) writes...
: >In article <726107313snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> 
: >	tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
: >>[trumpeting the superiority of Limey Law vs LA Law]

: >Hey, so what, buddy. We've got the softest and most absorbent toilet tissue
: >in the world. That limey stuff is _sandpaper_.  USA! USA! USA!
: >;-)

: 	Phhtt!!!  Here it comes premoistened and smelling of camelias!
: Switzerland! Switzerland! Swi... err, hang on a minute what am I saying?
: Someone please hit me up the head with a 2be4.  Thanks, that's better...

: Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
: GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
: (Latest Swiss tax: you have to use official garbage bags, only Fr 22 for 10!)

--

Andrex to the lot of you, especially if you're a puppy.


Nick (the two-ply Biker)   DoD 1069  Small Brass Gun-Shaped Cooker Lighter


M'Lud.

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance Scum
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 14:48:13 GMT

In article <24748@galaxy.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.170033.28009@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com  
>(David Svoboda) writes:
>> In article <24689@galaxy.ucr.edu> tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E.  
>Grupe) writes:
>> |
>> |was my first major bike accident...
>> |I was told that they weren't  going to pay it...
>> |deadbeat insurance  companies
>> 
>> I can't really help you, but I think it would be nice to tell
>> us what insurance company this is, so we can avoid it.
>
>	The company is 20th Century.  As of yesterday, they have backed  
>off from the claim that they won't be paying the bill; instead they want  
>to call me back in a few days and "negotiate it."  I won't be negotiating,  
>of course; just telling them that I won't be paying a dime of it.  
>	Note that this is not *my* insurance company; it's that of the  
>driver who was at fault.  I've heard they normally have a good reputation  
>for paying up, but you wouldn't know it from this claim.

If they want to negotiate, figure out how much time you've wasted
following up on this, and tack it onto the charges.  If you've waited
this long, it's probably worth the extra delay to insist that any
"negotiations" be in writing.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
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From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: First bra bid in 3 digits
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:22:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.170038.24948@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>$101
>
>And Noemi, don't you give Rich Lawrence net access so he can bid
>against me while he's here! I'm letting him use my bike despite
>his overbidding me again, but there is a limit!
>-- 

AdoBe must be paying pretty damn well these days. Well, you've exceeded
my imaginary limit. When the bidding comes to a halt I will contribute
$100 directly to the cause, as promised earlier. 

P.S. I *at least* want a picture of said brazier hanging off your Maxim.
That IS what you plan to do with it, isn't it?

P.P.S. Don/'t think that just because I'm in training I'm not keeping
track of you guys. Muhahahaha......cisco is unusually hip and has
terminals on the net for those in training.
-- 
Rich Lawrence, Synoptics Systems Engineer  DOD#9630  rich@grebyn.com
     '92 Seca II "Yuri"  CI$:71101,2272  GEnie:R.LAWRENCE14
   215 years ago my government gave me certain inalienable rights.
     Since then, they've been trying to correct their mistake.
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kikustaatu-Do: The Way of Kickstart
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:31:25 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

In article <1993Jan6.113255.13215@aber.ac.uk>, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>>	Now try it on a big-bore bike with a compression release, little girl.
>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> So, tell me, are this standard issue for DoDderers? I ask merely for 
> cultural enlightenment.

	Hey, whattya want, ya little SPK*, it's the off-season.

	As for cultural enlightenment, try comic books.  It would be an
improvement.

Rob

* SPK = Smartass Punk Kid, as opposed to OF (Old Fart)
--
   Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
                          Systems Engineer
                 AMA 642916   DoD 0593   FSSNOC 1721
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: To KotL
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:51:45 GMT

In article <1it0nk$ptj@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.212111.14639@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>>In fact there happens to be one particularly expensive motorcycling
>>accessory that I know the KotL desperately needs right now.
>
>They are not particularly expensive.  I picked one up last month for $300.
>Used, but in excellent condition.

I was speaking in relative terms.  If you were in the right place at
the right time, I've no doubt you could get a usable leather jacket
for $25.  But I've never seen an item such as we're talking about in
"excellent" condition for anywhere near $300.  Maybe in "usable"
condition.

Hey, Kay, if you're still there, let's see some action!  Tell everyone
what posers Michael and I are.  Of course first you have to figure out
what we're talking about.  (Then maybe you will qualify for DoD
membership.)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Opinions on "Motoport" leathers, etc. sought
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:00:53 GMT

At the San Francisco Motorcycle Show yesterday, my girlfriend
and I tried on some "Motoport" leathers.  They seemed well made,
and combined many of the best features of Hein Gericke leathers
that I have admired.  Prices were quite reasonable compared to H.G.,
though.  If anybody out there owns anything made by this company,
I would appreciate hearing your opinion of it.  I am particularly
interested in longevity and crash-tests (though don't do anything
"rash" on my account!)


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: dlady@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Don Lady)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: To KotL
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:36:11 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dlady@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Don Lady)
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

In article <657.2B523BA8@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
|> Monday January 11 1993 14:23, KAY ELLEN GUNN wrote to All:
|> 
|>  KEG> Dear Kotl,
|>  KEG> Please issue me a DoD number. I have been reading this group for a month
|>  KEG> now, and I think I am finally ready to be initiated into this estimable
|>  KEG> group. I can flame with the best of you.
|> 
|> BwaHaHAHAHAHAHHA. Prove it, newbie!
|> 
|> John
|> 
|> --  
|> John Hamilton                  uucp: amdahl.com!kennel!john
|> DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
|> ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
|> She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.

If she could flame, which I seriously doubt, she'd had torched everybody by now.Just another wannabe, bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


-- 
Don (dlady@cs.utk.edu) Lady
AMA #162364    
Suzuki GS850GX, GS750EN  Yamaha DT175E for the cowtrails!
Honda TR200 (used to be the ex's)
From: shinh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Shinjiro Hirose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: winter takes a vacation
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:50:33 GMT
Organization: Mass General Hospital NMR Imaging Center


It's warm today!!!
Yes, in Boston, it's almost 60 degrees F.  Time to drag out the old CB750F...
Some of you may recall a slightly panicked post from me saying that
my bike wouldn't start after only a couple of weeks of sitting in the
driveway.  Well, I hadn't tried to do anything about it yet (I know,
bad boy.  Repressing mechanical difficulties doesn't make them go away.)
However, I bought a can of starter fluid (dangerous stuff) and used
an old car battery to help my ailing bike battery.  Voila!  My bike now runs!
Unfortunately, I haven't gotten my new registration sticker in the mail yet,
so I can't really go anywhere without feeling paranoid, but I did drive around 
Somerville and Boston, and a bit into Arlington.  

It's been too long since I'd been on two wheels...

-Shin

-- 

Shin Hirose						1980 CB750-F
shinh@nmr-r.mgh.harvard.edu                         	1970 Porsche 914
DoD # 0670 						"the serpent was subtil"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Engine Theory 101
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:45:50 GMT

In article <1ihl8mINNnav@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>  Once the engine is
>driving the wheel (clutch fully disengaged), the clutch is not
>necessary for shifting gears, [...]

My father's comment on "zero-clutch" shifting was that it was a
favorite technique of Army truck drivers because they didn't give a
damn about the equipment.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
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From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: V-4 Honda oil filters
Organization: Starved Photo-Linux Hackers Association
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:20:37 GMT


If you only use Honda oil filters on your Honda V-4, you may be interested in this.

I have been using the oil filter from a 1986 Honda Accord instead of the motorcycle
one.  They are basically the same.  The only defferences are:

1) The car one is blue and the bike one is black.
2) The bike one is 3 dollars more here in Orlando.
3) The car one is made in USA and the bike one is made in Japan.

I have been using the car one for about a year, they are basically the same, and
the car one is easier to get and cheaper.  I know that other Honda cars use the 
same filter, but I always ask for one from a 1986 Accord, just because I know it
fits.

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:53:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.210325.17361@elektro.cmhnet.org> charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan06.223154.8479@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>
>>Jonathan E. Quist                           Lachman Technology, Incorporated
>>jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
>
>Hey, Jonathan -
>
>When did INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation   change to  Lachman Technology, Inc.
><??>

They didn't, sort of...

>What are you trying to tell us indirectly?

Well, since you asked...

From the press release:
-----------begin excerpt-----------
	LACHMAN TECHNOLOGY, INC. FORMED TODAY
Company to Provide Client/Server Networking, Data Access Software Products
 to Open Systems Market
NAPERVILLE, IL. -- January 4, 1993 -- Lachman Technology, Inc. was formed
today when Ronald D. Lachman purchased Interactive Systems Corporation's
system software and networking products business.  The business employs
60 people and had revenues of approximately $10 million.  It was pruchased
from SHL Systemhouse Ltd., which had acquired it from Eastman Kodak on
December 18, 1992.
--------end excerpt---------------

If anyone wants further information, contact Jay Bretzmann at
708-505-9555 ext 381.  I'd expect this to appear in the trade rags
sometime this week or next.

For those who've been around a while, you'll recognize Ron Lachman as
the founder of Lachman Associates, Inc., which was acquired by Interactive
in 1989.

So while some of you were whining about the cold 50 degree "winter" weather,
the company I work for was sold twice in two weeks.  Nyeah.
And if you want my opinion, this is a very positive thing.  (So for
whomever was complaining that I'm not my usual cynical self.... :-)
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:46:04 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan5.010435.9775@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>Please read your policy thoroughly.  Are you sure the policy covers
>injuries resulting from the use of your "car" by someone *without*
>*your* *permission*?  Is there absolutely no paragraph anywhere where
>they say in any roundabout way that such damages aren't covered.

As far as I can tell, the only exemptions to the liability in the State Farm
policy is when someone else should legally foot the bill (e.g. workman's comp, 
someone else's insurance, etc.).

I can find no circumstances under which I, personally, would be legally
liable and the policy would leave me uncovered (as long as the bike is not
"operated in, engaged in practice, or while preparing for any hill-climbing,
jumping, racing or speed contest, whether the contest is impromptu or
prearranged"--i.e. the "squid" clause).

>"We do not provide Liability Coverage for any person ...
>8. Using a vehicle without a reasonable belief that that person is
>entitled to do so."

It sounds like this isn't exempting the policy holder from coverage, but
rather excluding non-policy-holding joyriders from making claims against
the vehicle's insurer should they, themselves become legally liable for
damages.

-- 
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Our revered and much feared Geekly...
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:51:52 GMT

In article <WARKENTI.93Jan7154532@syscad8.CAE.Mitel.Com> warkenti@CAE.Mitel.Com (BJ Warkentin) writes:

>Obmotto: Its cold, been getting a mix of snow, hail and freezing rain.
>Perhaps it is time to winterize the motto...

OK: "Stay Warm to Flame, Flame to Stay Warm" :-)

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|           I'm beginning to like them llamas more and more...             |
|                         -- Curtis Jackson                                |
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