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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Cavaliers 1992 banquet & camp
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:00:33 GMT

  The Cavaliers annual awards banquet was held at the Rosemont convention
center this past weekend after the December camp. The banquet this year was
a little special as you can imagine, and the facilities and food were
magnificent. The list of drum corps notables that attended was long, but
among them were: Done Pesceone, Gail Royer, Tom Blair (director of the DCI
broadcasts and Cavalier alum), Fred Sanford, Jay Wanamaker, and many others.

  Jim Campbell, always the comic relief, put together a 5 minute tape of the
more ecstatic judges comments from finals, and this really broke the crowd up.
There were all kinds of presentations made by Jim, Jeff Fiedler, Don Warren,
and others to deserving people in the Cavalier organization. The 700+ crowd
gave many standing ovations before the night was over. All of the age-outs
gave a short speech, and everyone had a great time.

  The camp went well also, and because of the talent we have in the line
this year and the spots opened up by eliminating the cymbal line, we have
increased the size of the battery to 10 snares, 6 tenors, and 6 basses.
At the end of each camp, each of the sections of the corps gets to show
off what they have been working on. The hornline played through the show,
and man, it is great. The drumline played through our newly reworked and
much more dense (if that is possible) version of our streetbeat, "Bunko
Rules". The pit played a really tasty arrangement of a Steps Ahead tune,
and they appear to have plenty of talent, also. Well, enough rambling.
I can't wait for June! Any reports on other camps?

Brad.
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From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas)
Subject: Re: All these questions about songs
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:49:08 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

|>  Most of us are
|> really only aware of the top 12 DCI corps anyway

An appreciative nod from those of us who poured out the blood, sweat, and tears in Division II and III corps...

Tony Maas
Blue Stars 90-91
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Scoring
Date: 29 Dec 1992 15:33:00 -0600
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In article <1hpq8rINN968@early-bird.think.com>, fath@mbcrr.dfci.
harvard.edu (Michael Fath) wrote (Scoring):
 
|>Why do corps' scores have to be "boxed in".  What is welifted the 100 point
|>max.  That way if judges ran into a situation of say, a dynamite Blue Devils 
|>corps competing 3rd and very capable of scoring a 97.0 and with a dynamite 
|>Phantom, Cavaliers, Star and SCV to follow.  I can see it now
|> 
|>In fourth place, with a score of 97.0 Blue Devils
|>In third.                        99.5 Phantom Regiemnt
|>In second  "       "   "  "    " 103.0 Cavaliers
|>In first,  "       "  "    "   " 104.1 Star
 
Michael, who wrote this?  Did you?  Is it from Prodigy?
 
I personally think that raising the ceiling above 100 would make
the idea of "perfection" a joke.  Besides, how would you implement it?
By granting bonus points to the judges to add on top of their
captions?
 
Tying up my bag of tomatoes (to throw at the soapbox),
 
Vince
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Ask DCI
Date: 23 Dec 1992 17:36:42 GMT
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In article <VHZ7VB1w165w@willard.UUCP> you write:

;>Well, gee, uh, that's pretty good.  You might add all your supporters from
;>the net as co-authors, to indicate the strength of agreement with your views.
;>But, that might dilute the sense of accomplishment in authoring it- whatever.
;>What are your thoughts?  Do you think that adding a bunch of names to your
;>letter might give it more force with DCI?
>

Well, I already sent the letter out   :-)

I did include a paragraph at the end to DCI that was not part of the letter.
This paragraph did mention the fact that I had discussed the ideas with
people on the Net and that they were in agreement with me.  I asked DCI
to have some one call me from their office to discuss this in more detail,
too.  I'll just have to wait and see what they do.  I'm a staff writer for
DCW, so I sent a copy of the letter to Steve Vickers, the ed., for him
to look at.  If DCI ignores me, I'll probably be able to put a form of
the letter into DCW.  Hopefully DCI will respond.
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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: RE: In defense of Phantom Regiment
Date: 25 Dec 1992 17:00:14 -0600
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Some replies to suggestions for PR's repetoire:
 
fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) wrote:
 
|>Shostakovich - Symphony No. 4 or 5 or 10 - all great, none has been done
 
Isn't No. 5 called the "Stalingrad Symphony"?  If so, it was done by Cavaliers
in 1978 for an out-of-concert/exit and by Valley Fever in 1982 as an off-the-
line.  Phantom *would* do a better job than either (1978 Cavies came in 16th
and VF came in ca. 17th).
 
MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET wrote:
 
|>Prokofiev:  Alexander Nevsky Cantata
|>            War and Peace
|>Verdi: Requiem
 
Again, Valley Fever did Alexander Nevsky Cantata in 1983.  It would be a great
tune for PR.  VF's song selection proves the point of my old joke about
Valley Fever--In 1982, they looked like the Troopers, wearing 27th's uniforms,
playing Phantom's music, and marching SCV's drill.
 
SCV played Verdi's Requiem off-the-line in 1979.
 
Finally, matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) wrote:
 
|>Sibelius:  Symphony #2, Karelia Suite, Finlandia
 
In 1986, there were two competitive corps from Arizona, the Sunset Regiment
(now the Arizona Sun?) from Tucson and The Musketeers from Phoenix.  Both
played Finlandia for an exit.  It sounded OK from these small corps, but
would be really impressive from a large corps.
 
Vince
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Bill Cook on Star of Indiana
Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:13:28 GMT
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Bill Cook on Star of Indiana

Having watched Star since the beginning, I can say that the corps' staff
does its damnedest to:  
1) please the audience
2) please the judges
3) please the corps members

All of us have tried to figure out what ingredient is necessary to keep the
membership from getting bored, the audience entertained and at the same time,
receive judging recognition for a job well done.  Relative to last year, our
horn line was disciplined and under control; our percussion literally carried
the corps for several weeks until the brass could catch up, and our visual
people worked overtime trying to capture the mood.

With all these contributions, we satisfied ourselves, the judges, and many
fans, but there were still fans out there that wanted and needed something
else.  It appears that we may in "no man's land" where difficulty of 
composition and audience appeal are not coming together,.... yet!  What I am
saying is:  give us time; we're trying to please more of the audience. If
we don't succeed, it won't be from not having tried.

I also realize that there are other corps' fans who would like to see Star
in 33rd place, but that probably won't happen for awhile.  All I ask Jim
Mason and his staff is to give priority to learning and let the rest take
care of itself.  If a Star member said that we designed to win, he's
right, but not at the expense of education.  Does education and desire to
win mix -- you bet it does!  If anyone doesn't learn how to compete, then
that person should probably get a robe and teepee, climb a mountain and
watch the sun set.

Best regards,
Bill Cook

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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Bill Cook on competition
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:57:12 GMT
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(from Prodigy)
In response to a letter by Ellis Mirsky on the evils of judging:

One of the reasons that judges must exist is to measure hopefully -- 
excellence.  Compeition is a vital part of everyone's education; if people
never learn to accept defeat, they can never have a feeling of accomplishment
when they win.  Yes, some people never have a success becuase, in my opinion,
they never had a forum, like drum corps, to demonstrate how to succeed or 
to fail.

We are all judged in life so why not on a field where an outcome is less 
important?

One if our members came up to me the night we won our championship and said,
"Mr. Cook, this is the first time I ever won anything and I will never forget
it!"  That young man will try again to achieve and he will lose time and 
again before another victory comes, but those judges helped to teach him that
excellence can lead to achievement and recognition.  There are too many
people who have never subjected themselves to a judge in either life or in a
sport such as drum corps becuase they feel that they might fail.

You also alluded to one of the great problems we have in drum corps that there
are not enough minorities who have a chance to participate.  Only that dirty
old thing, money, will help solve this.  Without funds, minority scholarships
can not be given.  Drum corps can not solve the problems of the world, but
I don't feel that denying people the opportunity to be judged as a part of 
education or blaming corps that are still financially solvent is realistic --
particularly in the world we exist in today.  You can talk all night about
"rich corps" but I wish you would first volunteer to help a corps on the
road or donate $100.00 to a young person to become part of this great
activity.  Why don't you give a little trust to the thousands of people
who are teaching, managing and volunteering so that drum corps can always
be a positive force in the lives of those who participate.

If you would like to volunteer or donate, please send me your address by
e-mail and I will help.


(Michael speaking - I will relay messages to Bill Cook if people want me to.)



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From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: ps...
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:41:13 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

ps - what'd I miss?

Scott
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From: gt2619b@prism.gatech.EDU (S. Axel Medlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Judge kills
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:42:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BOB.92Dec28183831@volitans.MorningStar.Com> bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) writes:
>(For r.a.m.m: this thread began with stories of scoring hits on corps
>judges who were in the wrong place, then grew to involve other
>personnel.  So it seems appropriate to bleed it over into ...misc.)
 
>a close-order drill with spins every 4 steps.  During rehearsal, a
>frosh Sousaphone clobbered a hotshot senior trumpet player.  Knocked
>him out cold on the asphalt.  He (the trumpet player) had to be
>carried away.  Nobody minded too much because he (the trumpet player)
>was really a little too full of himself anyway, and besides, he
>happened to be the one that took the wrong turn.

   Excellent!

   Another good class of targets are cameramen. Most of you know how
irritating those blundering local TV guys can be. I can remember when
we were being filmed, when a mellophone player spun and laid the cameraman
out flat, his camera smashed (the mellophone was bent up pretty bad). The
player was pissed, and gave the guy a look that scared most of us. We
thought she was going to actually step on the guy on the way to the next
position but, as she told me later, that wouldn't have been lady-like.
We never saw representatives from that station again, and could not
decide whether it was the expense of the camera, or the face the mellophone
player made that scared them off.

  Be Groovy...

  Axel.


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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:52:36 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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In article <pm860605.28.724449137@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu> (rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps), pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) writes:
>Oops - I was thinking of 1980.... Two-Seven and *Madison* played Blue Rondo
>and Madison's version was basically a keyboard solo...  

Oh, that.  No, that was something else entirely.  What the heck was
it called?  Some country hoedown-type thing.

Niel

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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Anyone want to play?
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:51:54 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article 147 of rec.arts.marching.drumcorps and 2765 of alt.drumcorps,
ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas) wrote
 
|>OK, time for some humor.  :)
|>
|>Take a well known person, and select the corps that they are most suited to,
|>and state why.
 
Rodney Dangerfield           VK            Neither gets any respect!
Madonna                      VK            Either will do anything for applause
John Wayne, Clint Eastwood   Troopers      They've all worn the uniform.
Gary Cooper, Ronald Reagan,                Besides, could imagine them marching
Kevin Costner                              anywhere else?
Mickey Mouse                 Kingsmen      Both have played his song.
                             Magic
 
Vince
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed...
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:56:46 EDT
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In article <1992Dec15.165908@IASTATE.EDU> (rec.arts.marching.drumcorps), knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
>I agree that we sometimes go off on wild tangents, but isn't the purpose of
>alt.drumcorps and r.a.m.m. to discuss ALL areas and events concerning the drum
>and bugle corps activity?  

Well, how 'bout this:  descriptive subject lines!  If you're going
to post something about how much the Avant Knights hate the Whoville
Cadets, don't make your subject "Avant Knights" or "Whoville Cadets",
make it "Avant Knights hate Whoville Cadets."  I've only got time
to read so many postings, and the subject line is how I weed 'em out.

When we were on a.d, the volume was low enough that I could read everything.
It's just not that way anymore.

Niel

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From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: I made it!
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:40:25 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

I don't care.  After waiting for two weeks, GT finally got off their
*sses and fixed the newsfeed so that I get r.a.m.*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Praise be to Allah!  Thanks be to God!

Scott
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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: All these questions about songs
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:03:15 EDT
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There's been a lot of talk lately (and always, I guess) about who
played what when and who else played it the same year or some other 
time.  Well, I hereby volunteer to develop and maintain a complete
listing of who played what when.

I'll start out with DCI top 12, possibly top 25.  So by that token
I realize it's a bit limited, but hey, it's a start.  Most of us are
really only aware of the top 12 DCI corps anyway, and a lot of us
seem to be deficient in the early years (pre-1980 or so).  So, it
will be an interesting task.

I'll post something when I get enough to be worthwhile...

Niel

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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Prodigy Drum Corps
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 10:23:56 GMT

In article <1hknplINNk0b@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>Well,
>
>I got Prodigy for Xmas and immediately checked out the drum corps discussion
>on it.  It is quite good -- high signal to noise ratio and interesting
>discussions going on at the moment, esp. about the role of judging in
>drum corps.
>
>Bill Cook and Don Pescione have posted in the last day, Bill Cook is a very
>active participant.  It been interesting to read his posts.  He is giving
>me a very positive impression of Star.
>
>Are other r.a.m.drumcorps folks connected to Prodigy too?  I saw a post
>by Brad Halls.
>
>Those of us on both ought to cross post some interesting messages to
>stimulate discussion here as well.  I'll start and post a few Prodigy
>notes over the next few days.
>

I personally, and I bet a lot of rec.arts.marching.drumcorps readers
would like to hear what Bill Cook et. al have to say about anything
in drum corps.  If you could upload/download their posts, I'm sure
it would benefit those of us who do not do Prodigy.  (This is only a
request.  If it takes too much time/effort, then forget it.)

-- Donald
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From: rgreen@brtph633.bnr.ca (Rodney Green P125)
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Keywords: (remember distribution usa)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research; RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:54:32 GMT

>In article <1992Dec18.003311@IASTATE.EDU> knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
>I was just wondering what kind of credit you guys get for beibg in your marching
>bands.  At Iowa State we practice an hour and a half each weekday and about an
>hour on gamedays for one credit and no grade!  I know some bands get more
>credit, and some get a grade to go into their GPA.  What's the scoop?
>

At NC State (when I was there in 1983-1988) we practiced 1.5 hours 3 times
a week, plus extra rehearsals for percussion when needed.  On game day,
the time commitment was a minimum of 6 hours.

We received one hour credit with and A-F grade that counted toward the
GPA.

I suspect this has not changed.  One important thing to note is that
NC State does not have a degree program in music.  Almost all its
music classes are 1 hour.

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From: timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Michigan High Step [Was Re: More U$C]
Date: 22 Dec 1992 22:31:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <18521502@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:

>The only reason you were tired was that your director was stupid
>enough to make you high-step all the way down the route.  Michigan,
>who highsteps on the field, only do that in the TV area.  


Not True!

I was at the Rose Parade in 1990.  I was stationed right in front of 
Pasadena Community College, which is pretty much the halfway point on
the Parade route (and not a TV camera in sight).

The Michigan Band came marching by in full High (Chair?) Step, playing
their lips off.  It was pretty impressive.  I don't know how they were
able to keep that up and do a show later on that afternoon.

>The rest
>of the parade, they just glidestep and don't even play!  Same with 
>U$C.

Wait.  Michigan doesn't glidestep.  Do they????!!!!


>Rich Lamb

--Tim Castro
Cal Band '86 - '90


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