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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Recoil
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:06:48 GMT
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

>I'm going to go out and order a Recoil tape tomorrow since it just
>needs to be done.  According to the "big book", there's two of
>them out there.  Which one is better?  What does each sound
>like?

Well, I have _Hydrology_ and it's basically "atmospheric" type sounds and
such.  It's the kind of music that's really good to study to,  because it's 
kind of calm with little or no lyrics  (can't remember right now).

Hope this helps.


Chris Georgoulias
cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu


"Yeah he's living on the limit, just like me, where the only place to put
   bleach is in your hair"   -Rick,  The Young Ones
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From: rwyatt@niji.claremont.edu (Robert Wyatt)
Subject: Re: new jane's addiction?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.070628.6978@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
chm8v@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Chris "Dread" Mann) writes:
> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu  writes:
> > WKM101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> > 
> > >has anyone heard of perry ferril joining a new band?
> > >is it true or a viscious rumor?
> > >TTHHEE GGOOOOBB-c/o will
> > >wkm101@psuvm
> > 
> > The band is called Porno for Pyros and will be starting
> > with an upcoming concert (I forget where and when).
> > 
> > mark
> They are playing sometime this summer in LA for some type of  
benefit thing
> a ma jig with a couple of other cool bands. Sorry I don't know the  
exact 
> date.
> 
> chris

Porno for Pyros played a few weeks ago at an AIDS benefit in LA with  
the Chili Peps, Primus, and a few others.

-Rob
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From: rone@skat.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: kill
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:08:53 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr10.192346.16608@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mepstein@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Not On Our Customer File) writes:
>this has nothing to do with music but hey too bad. sorry if this annoys you
>but here goes. I need a list of funny reasons to kill someone. this is just a
>joke for someone who wanted me to make a list of reasons to kill someone else
>anyway email me please

You kill people for posting utter bilge on the wrong group.

Wow, that was hilarious.




-- 
"And please bless Grandma, and Grampa..."	  ,----------- Ron A. Echeverri
"...And please, give me a million dollars,	  | BSAE 1994 Univ. of So. Cal.
 and, *chuckle* oh yeah, huge pectoral muscles."  `---------------\  MUDaholic
	- Ren and Stimpy, "The Littlest Giant"			   \___________
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer)
Subject: Wierd Al question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:13:14 GMT


      Has wierd Al ever toured?

-- 
     The opinions stated here are not always the opinion of a sane man.

   <<FNORD>>    send all donations and other mail to:Ken Primer
                                                     ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: drk@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Koehler)
Subject: Re: Best Pogues? Most Erotic Alternative Music?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:49:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.181230.10432@csc.ti.com> vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.185451.3445@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Butler) writes:
>
>>2) What would be the most *erotic* alternative music I could find
>
>My recommendations:
>
>Early Kate Bush: "The Kick Inside", "Lionheart", "Never For Ever";
>also "The Sensual World".  For a totally different mood try "The
>Dreaming", specially the song _Get Out of My House_ played real loud
>(my all time favorite :-)

>- V

"Never For Ever"?  C'mon, really?  A wonderful album but hardly erotic.
Let's look at some of the topics covered by Kate here:

Marital infidelity, death, murder, revenge, pedophilia, war, nuclear winter.

Not too erotic in my opinion.  I agree with your other choices though.
Some of the stuff on "The Kick Inside" and "Lionheart" is downright horny.

David.
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From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylanus Deus Latinus)
Subject: R.E.M. Fan-file?
Summary: I wanna R.E.M. fanclub
Keywords: REM, R.E.M., Berry, Buck, Mills, Stipe
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:04:29 GMT

I have checked all the files on nn, but there is not a single
user-group devoted to R.E.M. Why? When they were in their prime,
they were life-changing. Now they are still good but they lack something,
like that incredible, eerie, feeling of overwhelming power.

So when will we get it?
-- 
Dylanus Deus Latinus Ingeniousus Maximus.
----> If it wasn't for disappointment,
----> I wouldn't have any appointment.
----> -"Snowball in Hell", They Might Be Giants
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From: bc629@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Wright)
Subject: Opal/Kendra Smith
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 12:49:29 GMT


Kendra Smith appears on the first Dream Syndicate LP, _The Days
of Wine and Roses_, playing bass and singing lead on one track.
This LP came out on Slash, which explains the 'courtesy of Slash'
message on _Rainy Day_.  She & David Roback formed Opal right 
after that, I believe.  Don't know what she's up to these days,
except that the new _Sound Choice_, in a rundown of indie radio
stations, mentioned one station in California where 'Kendra Smith
currently DJs'.  I also have some 7" flexi with her singing a
(German) version of the Velvets' 'All Tomorrow's Parties'.

Hope Sandoval was in Opal before Kendra left, and I think Roback
decided to make the name change when KS left 'cause of the 
different lead voice and the more country-blues feel of the 
music.  I seem to recall something about her being in another
band prior to Opal, but can't think of it now.
-- 
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From: grecomv@duvm (Mike Greco)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: nyc easter weekend
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.192507.11901@unx.sas.com>, sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com (Edith Jeffreys) writes:
> 
> anyone know of any good shows going on in nyc over easter weekend?
> i dont get up there very often, and i would really like to see a
> band or two.
> 
If you like any british bands you may have heard of a group called Cranes.
They are playing Maxwells in Hoboken,NJ on Saturday. Try the same venue on 
Friday if you can. I think some good bands will be playing then also.  If you	
are coming from Manhattan, take the PATH train to hoboken. The walk from
the Path Station to Maxwells is quite a walk so get a cab ride if you can.
PATH runs all night and is only $1. If you are there on SAT, look for a guy 
with a camera. I may take photo's at the Cranes Show if im in the mood.
Later
Mike
Organization: Christian Zombie Vampires
X-Subliminal-Message: "Exterminate all rational thought."
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 13:57:07 EDT
From: Mike Cramer <MRC113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: industrial music

In article <1992Apr14.164145.15313@uwm.edu>, klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Mark
Bishop) says:
>
>Since everyone on this newsgroup has been saying that I know nothing about
>"industrial music," maybe some of you can clear it up for me.
>
>What makes something "industrial"?  And why is Nitzer Ebb NOT considered
>industrial music.  I have considered Nitzer Ebb true industrial music for
>about four years.

You probably know as much about what Industrial music is as anyone else. To try
to define it is useless. _Most_ would agree that Ministry is industrial, even
though under another name they'd be Thrash or something. Some say NIN is
industrial (myself included), but others say it's techno-dance. Then there's
the Einsturzende Neubauten type of industrial. It is not easily defined. I
think the people who are saying YOU don't know what it is are just afraid that
if they allow a band that some 15 year old listens to to be called industrial
people might finally realize that it's worth listening to. Then they lose the
only thing that lets them seem cool (in their own eyes).  Personally, if
the trendy's like NIN...so be it. If you don't like it....don't listen to it.
Maybe someday the'll grow up and realize that (to quote ICE-T) "Music is
music. And if you don't like that you can basically suck my dick!".

-----
No .sig in protest of this stupid argument.  | Mike Cramer
                                             | mrc113@psuvm.psu.edu
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Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR REAL CURE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: tchihaya@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (tyson chihaya)
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:05:07 EST

: Funny how Lars write from Tennessee while the band is in the middle of a  
: stint at the Cap Center .:)  I saw him last night and he was on stage  
: until midnight of the 1st. and a friend went tonight and it started at 8  
: pm the 2nd.  Must have traveled fast.:) hired a private jet to wisk him to  
: Tennessee just to post a CureFlame:)

..And funny how neither James nor Lars seem to be able to spell their names...


-- 

|yson Chihaya                                 tchihaya@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu 
T
-- Strange beautiful, grass of green, with your majestic silver seas. Your
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From: lputnam@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee P Putnam)
Subject: Re: 10,000 Maniacs boots?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.024112.28188@acsu.buffalo.edu> wiatr-m@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marc Wiatrowski) writes:
>v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Quenby M Chunco) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr7.040744.9180@midway.uchicago.edu>, dunl@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>>>Anyone out there have or know of any live 10,000 Maniacs recordings?
>>>Respond by e-mail if ya know anything.
>>> 
>
>>Or post! There might be a few others interested.:-)
>
>LIKE WHO?

like me

-lee 

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: sraynerja01@cc.curtin.edu.au (James Rayner)
Subject: P.J. HARVEY info wanted
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:31:42 GMT



Has anybody got any info. and a  band/person called P.J. HARVEY?  I have heard
a song of theirs called "Sheila Nagig"? stacks of times and it's way cool.
Only problem is I don't know who or what he/she/they are...

James.
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|  Student, Curtin University, Western Australia |
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|  Email: raynerja@cain.cs.curtin.edu.au         |
|         sraynerja01@cc.curtin.edu.au           |
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|    with my lifestyle." - Arthur Dent           |
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From: adamkp@aix.rpi.edu (Peter Adamkovics)
Subject: Re: Nine Inch Nails
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 12:45:50 GMT

<TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <92101.202859JLP118@psuvm.psu.edu>, Joanna Pinola
><JLP118@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>>
>>Does anyone know anything about the new NIN album if it does in fact exist?
>>
>>Ditto goes for new Ministry.

>From what I've read NIN wasn't planning to come out with an album until
>sometime this fall.  The newest thing I've seen in the stores was the
>Maxi-single for _head like a hole_, and cheap too.  $5.99

>Ministry was supposed to be out last month, but it just faded into
>obscurity...

>--slide with me to your netherworld, emotion exquisite in sweet demise
>Suaron


Well, in a slightly related news, Machines of Loving Grace have released a
single recently, 'Burn Like Brilliant Trash (at Jackies Funeral)' which 
was produced/engineered by Trent Reznor.  I dont have the single but I have
the album from Machines... Grace, its pretty decent, kinda sounds like NIN,
but not on every song.  If you liked Pretty Hate Machine, check out this 
band.  
In unrelated news, does anybody know when/if the Spin Doctors are gonna 
release any new music?

--pete--


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Poster Children
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:01:50 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Apr12.031649.24618@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> aschi@silver.lcs.mit.edu (aschi) writes:
>Poster Children are originally from Urbana, Illinois and recently moved
>to its sister city, Champaign. They've been around several years, with various
>members. They put out a tape a few years back called _Toreador Squat_ (which 
>Rose was rather disturbed to be reminded of when I talked with her at a gig
>here in Boston in Nov.) but I don't know of its availability outside of the
>Champaign-Urbana area. After that came _Flower Plower_ (not _Flower Power_),
>which is on Frontier records, and has been available on CD since December or
>so. IMHO I think it's better than _Daisy Chain Reaction_, their most recent
>album. _Flower Plower_ was mostly the work of Rose and Rick, but Rick's 
>brother Jim and a new drummer named Bob show up on _DCR_. However, earlier 
>this year, Bob got married and left the band, so when I saw them with Swerve-
>driver they had this new guy named John (I think that was his name...), who
>seemed pretty good. I really don't know when their next album is due (yes they
>did get signed to Sire (yaay!)), but in the meantime you can have fun searching
>for the 7" they did for a British label called Clawfish, which is Thin White 
>Rope covering "Eye" from _FP_ on one side, and on the other side, PC cover
>"Down in the Desert" by TWR. They also appear on a Pravda Records compilation
>called _20 Explosive Dynamic Super Smash Hit Exlposions!_ doing "I Feel Love".
>
>If you have any more questions, just ask... I OBSESS about Poster Children :)
>
>aschi
>
>"I gotta get me a gun / guns make everything right..." -- Dangerous Life

the poster children passed through dallas en route to sxsw. picked up daisy
chain cd plus sigs of the band. enjoyed their stuff immensely.

another band i have seen which is similar to the poster children is super-
chunk. i believe they are out of the carolina's reccommend catching their
show if given the opportunity.

regards,
james, peters@convex.com
From: jcgoh@please.Princeton.EDU.ampr.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Pell Mell
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:28:34 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr6.002011.18509@descartes.waterloo.edu>  
wwedward@descartes.waterloo.edu (Wayne Edwards) writes:
> Has anybody heard the album "SLOW" by "Pell Mell" (SST Label)?  This stuff
> is amazing!  It's all instrumental (a couple of guitars, a base, drums and
> a few other things thrown in here and there).  However, the arrangements
> are great.  And I would definitely have to say that they are better than 
> "Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet" (ie good Canadian instrumental band).
> If there is one negative, it's that the sound does not change too much from
> one song to the next.  Otherwise, it's pretty damn incredible.  I highly
> recommend this album if you can find it.
> 
> Wayne Edwards
I believe you are talking about "Flow".  And yeah, I also think it's one of the  
best albums I've ever heard.  Pell Mell embodies the spirit of rock - a bunch  
of guys who get together every now and then and jam.  And they have no egos  
either - no vocals and no cheesey solos.  I would disagree with you about the  
sound.  Each song is different and each song has numerous changes within  
itself.  Also, check out their previous EP and LP.  I'm glad to see that SST is  
starting to put decent stuff out again.  Man, that Leaving Trains and  
FleshEaters stuff was total crap.  Go buy FLOW now everyone.
From: mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Jesus Lizard Advice?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:31:24 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Jesus Lizard can do no wrong. Having seen them live 5 times and listened
to their two albums and EP on many many occassions , I have nothing but
admiration for these 4 very ugly fellows. Everything on vinyl is great
but their debut LP is probably their best. 
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From: dube@milton.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube)
Subject: Re: Discography of Big Black??
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:06:36 GMT

In our Big Black discography we should also note that "The Rich Man's
Eight Track" omits the cut "Strange Things" which originally appeared
on the Atomizer lp.  Also, the liner notes in the cd's are different
from the liner notes that came with the vinyl editions of all the 
releases.  If you are an Albini fan, you know I'm not just being petty,
these notes are well worth the read.   For example, in the liner notes
for Atomizer, Albini admitted that "Strange Things" is a lousy song.

I think it's weak, but probably not so weak it should have been 
left off the cd.

ric dube
dube@u.washington.edu
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From: rwyatt@niji.claremont.edu (Robert Wyatt)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy's new one
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:48:37 GMT

Don't know if Holy Smoke is out yet.  I can't wait to hear it.  He  
toured with Nine Inch Nails for Deep.  I hope he tours again.  Peter  
puts on a great live show !!!

Robert
rwyatt@claremont.edu
From: dhake@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nine Inch Nails
Summary: Ugh...
Keywords: Man oh man oh man oh man
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:45:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac.1992Apr14.204515.2466
Reply-To: self
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Macalester College

In article <1992Apr14.142002.4664@midway.uchicago.edu>, tisu@quads.uchicago.edu (Seth Tisue) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.051945.4241@cs.rose-hulman.edu> broadhrj@leela.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Robert J. Broadhead) writes:
>>  I have to agree that there are too many teenie boppers that worship Reznor and
>>there is a lot of bulllshit about him being the "founder" of industrial music,

First of all, no, Nine Inch Nails hardly is responsible for the birth of
anything.  The birth of what is called industrial music is pretty much
encapsulated by the work of Throbbing Gristle, as well as Einsturzende Neubaten
and the earlier aspirations of Genesis P'Orridge in Psychic TV.  If these names
sound at all unfamiliar, then I suppose you are too.

>>but that does not make him any less of a musician, and as for him
recording
>>another album.  He's been busy...I can't track down all of his projects but
>>besides working on the new album he has recorded and I'm pretty sure he toured
>>for a while with Pigface as well as producing another group who's name name
>>eludes me, and he has shown up on a song or two either singing,playing,or
>>producing with many other industrial groups.  It's not his fault the boppers like
>>him, face it, he plays hate music, how far can you get from the new kids and
>>paula abdul...

Hell no.

> How far?  Much, much, MUCH farther...

I agree wholeheartedly.  Industrial for that matter could stand to be a whole
lot more threatening, a predominant corporate affiliation for one makes its
statements on current society pretty much rhetorical if not absolutely
hypocritical.  "Hate" music.  Oh, bully.

David Michael Hake dhake@macalstr.edu
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Nettwerk and KMFDM
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:01:13 GMT

In <1992Apr14.211417.18195@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>hoffman@n1.math.umn.edu (John R. Hoffman) writes:
>>What is the real name for KMFDM?  I believe they're from Germany
>>and I'm positive Kill Mother Fucker Depeche Mode was made up by americans.
>According to more reliable sources, KMFDM is an acronym for a German phrase
>that translates into "No pity for the majority".

Translated:  Keine Mitleid fuer den Mehrheit.  Literally no mercy for the
majority.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                         You go Yahweh, I'll go my way
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From: schneijm@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeffrey M Schneider)
Subject: About this sensless babbling
Reply-To: schneijm@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeffrey M Schneider)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:27:42 GMT

I just thought that after reading all these posts going between fans of  
the Cure and of Metallica that I would give my 11 cents worth. To be quite  
frank, trying to determine whether one group is better than another to an  
impossible thing to do. You want to know why ???? Taste in music my dear  
is a very personal thing .. one that is up to only the individual who  
listens to it to decide. Thus, it doesn't matter what someone else thinks  
... they're intitled to their own opinion as well as you are. This whole  
debate over whether the Cure or Metallica is better is ridiculous. And who  
really cares if one band has more fans or makes more money than another.  
it should only matter whether the fans enjoy listening to it and whether  
the band members enjoy playing it. Stop trying to tell me what I should  
think. Just for the record, I enjoy listening to both groups and I've  
never tried to figure out which one I like best. Each band is for a  
different mood and situation. Stop trying to place one or the other on  
some high pedestal for the world to see and you to feel proud of. All  
you're really doing is trying to feed your egos. This is exactly the  
problem with just about everything that's wrong with the world. Learn to  
enjoy what you like and at last have the respect to let other people enjoy  
what they like without trying to force your thoughts and opinions into  
their minds. Chill out and enjoy life itstead of bitchin about who is  
better and why. Both bands are good. Nuff said!!

    Jeff Schneider

    "I hate a Roman named Status Quo!" he said to me. "Stuff your eyes  
with wonder, live as if you'd drop dead in ten seconds. See the world.  
It's more fantastic than any dream made or paid for in factories. Ask no  
guarantees, ask for no security, there never was such an animal. And if  
there were, it would be related to the great sloth which hangs upside down  
in a tree all day every day, sleeping its life away. To hell with that,"  
he said, "shake the tree and knock the great sloth down on his ass."
     - Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
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