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From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Advice on Light Parts
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, jimw@hfglobe.intel.com (Jim Williams) writes:
>I've compiled the following from published data I have found hear &  there
>all weights are claimed actual from a third party (not me).

 Name            Weight  Cost    Cost/Weight      Cost/grams saved
 EXTREEM Ti      170     $104.99         0.62         .62
 Lightspeed Ti   183     $140.00         0.77         .89
 Dean Ti 360mm   195     $175.00         0.90        1.21
 Syncros Ti      207     $150.00         0.72        1.13
 MRC Ti          216     $170.00         0.79        1.37
 Fast Feather    220     $71.99          0.33         .60
 Kingsbury Ti    241     $100.00         0.41        1.01
 Sakae T C O     290     $22.64          0.08         .45
 Control Post    290     $39.88          0.14         .80
 XC PRO 300mm    290     $19.99          0.07         .40
 XT 330          296     $33.00          0.11         .75
 Kalloy 300mm    340     $13.95          0.04

The cost/weight ratio isn't too helpful since you want to minimize both.
The cost/grams saved compared to the Kalloy is more helpful.  This makes
the Fast Feather look pretty good.  I wish I had the weight of the Dirt
Research post since it's <$25 and pretty light.  Of course, some of
these posts are probably not strong enough or long enough (350mm) for
me.

>>I just bought a Smoke Folding 2.1 which is supposed to be 580 grams
>>but I weighed it at 660.  What do they do, weigh 'em without the beads?
>>I would have bought the Dart folding at the same time but they only
>>had blackwall, which I don't like.  Are there any lighter tires which
>>perform as well or better than the Smoke/Dart?
>
>YEAH I wanna know too.

Well, I found some Ritchey WCS 2.1 folding tires which actually weigh
580 grams so I'm going to take back the Smoke.  I still won't know how
the performance differs (I never mounted the Smoke) but the weight
difference is pretty significant.  My butyl tubes weigh 260 grams.
Anyone know the real weight of some lighter tubes?

David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Helmet gift advice wanted
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:24:16 GMT

<TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>Now I use the Vl-Pro by Bell.  Indeed it is a lot heavier 13.5oz compared to
>8oz for the Giro, but what I gain is a hardshell compared to the softshell,
>Now there might be pros and cons between the two on which is best for protectio
>n, but I'll stick with the V1-Pro.

All but one model of the Gyro have a "hardshell".
-Terry
From: sbookey@ep.ieee.org (Seth Bookey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: stolen bike
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:06:04 GMT
Reply-To: sbookey@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

Keywords: 

My bike was recently stolen and I am looking to replace it cheap.  I will primarily

be riding only in Central Park.  My last bike was a 10-speed and I was used to that for

the many slope changes in the park.  Any suggestions on what kind of bike to get and

how many speeds I really need.  I had that bike for 15 years (since high school) and

I don't even know if $200 or less is realistic.  Help.!
From: sbookey@ep.ieee.org (Seth Bookey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Schwinn for sale
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:00:01 GMT
Reply-To: sbookey@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY


Just testing to see if this works.
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: about those clipless pedals
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:21:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi!
	A while back, I posted requesting info on a set of Campy clipless
pedals, that I said I could buy for $60.  A few people responded (thanks!), and
I learned that there are an old and a new kind of campy pedal.  Well, now I
have learned more about these particular pedals.  They are Campy RECORD, and 
they appear to be the "old" type of clipless pedal.  That is, they 
DON'T look like they are LOOK compatible.  They DO NOT have the characteristic
"loop" on the front of the pedal body, like LOOK's and the "new" Campy pedals
do.
	Can anyone tell me anything, pro or con, about these pedals?  Is $60 a
good price?  Are they serviceable, and will I be able to get parts?  What's 
the release like?  All in all, should I get them, or should I spend my money
on another kind of clipless pedal?  I'd really like to get Shimano 105's, since
someday I hope to have a bike built up with this stuff, so I can just swap
pedals to get a full grouppo.  But 105's are more like $80.
	Whaddaya tink?

	Happy Holidays!! 
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From: <Healy@space50.nrl.navy.mil>
Subject: a few questions of gadgets
Reply-To: <Healy@space50.nrl.navy.mil>
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:42:31 GMT

In article <2B3C82D0.7096@news.service.uci.edu> iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike
 Iglesias) writes:
> In article <Bzuny3.BJB@acsu.buffalo.edu> v008pcqu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes
:
> >Can anyone tell me anything about
> >these wireless computers?  Specifically, the Vetta C-300.
> 
> I had a C-300 on my MTB, but the mount for the computer is not very secure
> and the computer fell off as I was going over a wooden bridge.  I didn't
> notice it at the time, and I was never able to find the computer.  Unless
> the mount has been improved in the last year or so, I'd find something
> else.
> 
> 
> Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu

I'd have to give it a negative vote too.
I have used it for the past year and found the features
to be lacking.  Worse, after about 800 miles the last digit
failed to display completely, and apparently, there is no
warranty (I couldn't find one in the papers that came with it).

Liam Healy
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Advice on Light Parts
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:08:34 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.tech, jimt@titan.sanramon.sgi.com (James M Thompson) writes:
>iI recently purchased  the DS2 shock for my Trek 950. I 've really noticed the
>weight
>increase of my bike since doing this. I am no in the process of  installing
>lighter parts
.
.
.
>and if anyone has any comments on  how to better lighten my MTB I'd appreciate
>it.

Put the rigid fork back on.  (Betcha didn't appreciate that.)

As far as light posts go, you might try Dirt Research, American Classic,
or Ritchey.  I just bent my Kingsberry (nearly identical to Am. Class.)
but I weigh 180lb and ride pretty close to the max mark of a 350mm post.
Anyone know if any other light (and <$100) posts are likely to be any
stronger?

You might be able to save some weight with lighter rims.  I just built
up some Mavic M231 silver ($20/ea at Performance, probably all gone)
rims which are advertised at <400 grams (I weighed them at 435).
Spokes weigh about 1/2lb per wheel (32 14/15 ga. DT's) so if you get
some of those composite wheels with only three spokes you'll save a
lot of weight.  B-)

I just bought a Smoke Folding 2.1 which is supposed to be 580 grams
but I weighed it at 660.  What do they do, weigh 'em without the beads?
I would have bought the Dart folding at the same time but they only
had blackwall, which I don't like.  Are there any lighter tires which
perform as well or better than the Smoke/Dart?

I also bought the Bontrager saddle with steel rails ($40).  This actually
was pretty close to its advertised weight of 250 grams.  I'll let you
know how it works after riding it a couple of weeks.

David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Re: Look Carbon Pro pedals.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:33:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Dec21.190239.29429@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:
>I just bought 2 sets of Look Carbon Pro pedals. They came with the bolts and
>the cleats (clips ???). I think I have the fixed type. What I need to know
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			 Fixed cleats are black or gray. Rotational cleats are
			 red. 1990 red cleats do NOt have the word "Arc" on 
			 them.
>is what is Looks address and how can I tell if these are 1990 pedals. I've
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			      '90's have a gray nut fixing the pedal body to
			      the axle. '91's have a black nut.
>seen in Performance and Nashbar cleats for sale but with the exception that
>they don't fit 1990 Look Carbon Pro. I want to get the arc cleats and I'll
>need to know how to adjust them.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
METHOD #1: Install cleats snugly but loose enough to move. Go for a ride.
Carefully get out of the shoes without removing cleats from pedals. Keep
the cleats and shoes in the positions that they were when you were riding.
Mark the pedals' outline on the shoes' soles for reference. Then disengage 
the cleats and tighten them. Re-engage the cleats and check the reference
mark. Adjust as necessary. Works fine for me, my knees dial those cleats in
as I ride.

METHOD #2: Get the FitKit RAD with the non-rotational cleats. Trace the 
reference mark. Substitute the red cleats using the reference mark to get
the alignment correct. This will cost $$'s ($40?). I'd try method 1 first.

>PS Also what shoes are available that are comfortable for commuting but not
>too expensive. Thanks
Pamela suggested those blue, white, & red Avia's advertised in Nashbar.
I got a pair & they're nice since they are walkable. They're selling 
them cheap, somthing like $19.95 now. I imagine the popular sizes are sold out.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: friedman@sae.com (Bob Friedman)
Subject: Re: Cycling Posters, etc. wanted for office
Organization: Software Architecture and Engineering, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:25:30 GMT

In article <85877@ut-emx.uucp> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>Hi.  I'd like to decorate my office with cycling decor; I'm interested in
>finding posters and so forth depicting both real and fictional cycling 
>situations.  I'd like shots of actual races, maybe a movie poster (American
>Flyers, Breaking Away, etc), or whatever.
>
>Can any recommend an outlet, or perhaps you have something yourself that you're
>looking to get rid of?
>
>Thanks,
>Kip Ingram
>kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Contact:     Bicycle Poster and Prints
             P.O. Box 7164
             Hicksville, NY 11802
        516-333-3545
        Judy and Jerry Lambert.


They have an extensive catalog.  

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Duke)
Subject: opinions: spare tire bike racks
Organization: Motorola
Date: 30 Dec 1992 08:44:52 MST

   Does anyone currently use a spare tire bike rack on their vehicle?
I'm in the market for one and would like opinions from those who have
had some experience with them. Also, let me know what you paid for it.
Thanks in advance.
From: kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Cycling Posters, etc. wanted for office
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:04:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Hi.  I'd like to decorate my office with cycling decor; I'm interested in
finding posters and so forth depicting both real and fictional cycling 
situations.  I'd like shots of actual races, maybe a movie poster (American
Flyers, Breaking Away, etc), or whatever.

Can any recommend an outlet, or perhaps you have something yourself that you're
looking to get rid of?

Thanks,
Kip Ingram
kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: Pointerm@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Richard Pointer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: Bicycle Frame
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:52:50 GMT
Organization: Drexel University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

Wanted: Bicyle Frame

I am in need of a 50-51 cm bicycle frame since my Merckx was trashed last
season. I will consider anything, but since I am a graduate student I
don't have a lot of money to spend. The frame must not have been crashed! 

Thanks,
Richard Pointer
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
From: RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal)
Subject: Shimano 105 v/s 600 Freehubs
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:23:03 GMT

What's the difference between the Shimano 105 and the 600 freehubs
(other than approximately $20.00 in current catalogs)?  Is there
sufficient difference between the two grades of components to make
the difference with the extra bucks?  BTW, in both cases I'm looking
at the 7-speed hyperglide freehubs if that makes any difference...
Opinions?  Alternatives?  Drop me a note if you'd like... Thanks!
 
 
 
 
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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: Wind Trainer
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:37:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

I want a wind trainer, but they're too damn expensive new.  Now, don't you
want to get rid of that funky old windtrainer that's gathering dust in your
garage?

Specifically, I want the kind that goes under your rear wheel only and you
leave your front wheel on.  Also, I want a fan resistance but will also
consider buying a mag trainer.

If you have a trainer you'd like to sell, send me e-mail at
casseres@apple.com, or call me at (415)494-0975, evenings.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck)
Subject: Re: Shimano, the Company (was: XTR 8SPD and thumb shifters)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 19:23:39 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

	My biggest complaint with Shimano lies in their cost.  Yes,
they can produce very reasonable components.  But it seems that holds
true only as original equipment or if you're buying an entire gruppo.
Buying parts piecemeal (I'm thinking specifically of brakes, since the
alternatives are so good -- Dia Compe, Scott SE, etc.) is just too
expensive with Shimano.  
	The new gruppos for '93 also seem to be placed on very
expensive bikes.  No, this is not Shimano's fault.  But it still looks
bad for them when I see $700 bikes with Altus comcomponents.
	BTW, my 400LX have outlasted Suntour XC Pro components in
From: brillant@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Rodney Brillantes)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:50:50 GMT
Subject: Re: neoprene gloves?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace


I picked up a pair of neoprene cycling gloves that were on sale, on Christmas 
Eve. They were not a very hot item according to the sales person.  Cost $19.95
down from $30.  I've used them several times now, and they seem to do the
trick.  Comfortable, warm, and they fit perfectly. 

I checked out the other "traditional" full fingered/winter gloves, but I could
not find ones that were durable, practical, and at such a great price.  I can
use them for both types of riding, mtb and road.

You may also want to look at gloves used for windsurfing or water skiing. I've
thought about getting a pair, until I found these specific gloves.

Rodney
From: J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Helmet gift advice wanted
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:25:02 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

Don't know much about the helmets but the ads sure bother me. Especially
now since they've added an aero version after ridiculing the shape in
previous ads.

MJG

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

How about those Headway Helmets?  There helmet is probably the best
sized bicycle helmet, and *they* claim it is, "THE BEST BICYCLE HELMET
ON EARTH"

-Rory
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Help with Road bike purchase
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:09:05 GMT

Marc Buchner <mxb11@po.cwru.edu> writes:
>Does anyone have any comments or experiences with the Specialized
>Allez/Epic lines and/or the Bridgestone RB-1 line.  I am considering the
>purchase of a road bike in the $1K to $1.5K range and have been looking
>at the RB-1/8, the (Standard and Comp) Epic, and the (Pro and Comp)
>Allez.  Comparisons (for a relative novice) would be most helpful.
>Thanks,
>Marc

I have an RB-1 and love it. I also test rode the Specilaized bikes and liked
them but not as much as the RB-1.  They both have similar geometry but the RB-1
was better.  I've never ridden a bike that handled so well.  Bridgestone also
put the right size components on the bike which Specialized could use some
work on.  My 57.5 RB-1 has 175mm cranks and a 125mm stem.  Perfect sizing and
the first bike I have bought in a long time that didn't need to be retrofitted
with the proper size crank and stem.  This is a good indicator of the level
of thought that Bridgestone puts into their bikes.  Bridgestone is very, very,
good about backing their products also.  I imagine Specialized is also good
about this but don't really know.  When I looked at the Specilaized I saw there
were alot of parts I wasn't happy with and would need to replace.  I didn't
care for the bar, stem, seatpost or pedals for example.  I also don't see the
point of the Specialized carbon fiber frame.  It's barely lighter than steel
and certainly much less durable.  I didn't find it was more comfortable either
since I ride 700X25 Conti Gradn prix's and they provide far more shock
absorbency than any frame will.  The RB-1 has a more classic look too, as
opposed to the mass-marketed Specialized bikes.  But hey, this is just my
opinion and what I based my decision on.  The best thing you could do is
ride both bikes and see how you feel about them.  I can tell you that
Bridgestones have almost a cult following among those who own them as you may
surmise from my posting.  I also have a Bridgestone mountain bike and love it.
I've also reccomended Bridgestone to a number of friends who have bought their
bikes and are very happy with them.          
-Terry
If you haven't gotten the Bridgestone Catalog get one.  You'll learn alot
about their design philosophy.  I also have a review of the RB-1 from Bicycle
Guide.  If you want a copy send me e-mail and I'll snail-mail it to you.

-- 
-Terry
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 09:36:46 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Helmet gift advice wanted
 <1992Dec21.030917.29114@mariner.amc.edu.au> <BzM9n4.3F9@cs.uiuc.edu>

I had a crash on my motorcycle 2 years ago.  Hit oil at an intersection trying
to make the yellow light turning left.  I highsided, that means the bike bonced
left and then right throwing me over the handlebars and if it wasn't for my
fullface helmet which shattered, I may not be here to post this. I gave up my
motorcycle after that, but I still ride bicycles but not with my Giro helmet.
Now I use the Vl-Pro by Bell.  Indeed it is a lot heavier 13.5oz compared to
8oz for the Giro, but what I gain is a hardshell compared to the softshell,
Now there might be pros and cons between the two on which is best for protectio
n, but I'll stick with the V1-Pro.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 12:44:14 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Helmet gift advice wanted
 <1992Dec21.030917.29114@mariner.amc.edu.au> <BzM9n4.3F9@cs.uiuc.edu>
 <92356.093646TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <BzMJ8G.Gop@cs.uiuc.edu>

Sorry Terry, Giro doesn't make a hardshell helmet.  In Bicycling Magazine, May
issue 92, titled Air Heads by Fred Zahradnik 83 helmets were tested.  Giro
has 6 models at that time:  Aerohead-foam, Air Attack-thin shell, Hammerhead-
thin shell, Prolight-foam, Prolight Comp-thin shell, Track Attack-thin shell.
Bell makes the V-1 Pro listed as hard shell.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Duke)
Subject: Re: Advice on Light Parts
Organization: Motorola
Date: 29 Dec 1992 15:24:39 MST


>In rec.bicycles.tech, jimt@titan.sanramon.sgi.com (James M Thompson) wrtes:
>>iI recently purchased  the DS2 shock for my Trek 950. I 've really notced the
>>weight
>>increase of my bike since doing this. I am no in the process of  instaling
>>lighter parts
>..
>..
>..
>>and if anyone has any comments on  how to better lighten my MTB I'd apreciate
>>it.

>As far as light posts go, you might try Dirt Research, American Classic
>or Ritchey.  I just bent my Kingsberry (nearly identical to Am. Class.)
>but I weigh 180lb and ride pretty close to the max mark of a 350mm post
>Anyone know if any other light (and <$100) posts are likely to be any
>stronger?

>David Mackintosh

 As far as posts go, try a Synchros Pro Post. About your bike, I
think your Trek comes with a dx or xt crankset and bb. There are
numerous aftermarket cranksets out there that are substantially
lighter than what you now have. The only drawback is that most
are fairly expensive. And now that you are running front susp. ,
you might try a 28 spoke front wheel. I run one on my C'dale
and have had no problems.

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From: pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen)
Subject: grocery packs?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:12:37 GMT


Where can I get some packs that can hold grocery bags and be attached to the
rear racks?  I saw NASHBAR had something called "Townies" that seem to be
what I want: they are open-topped, and can be folded up when not in use.
But when I called to order, the item was out of stock with no delivery date,
meaning it will probably be discontinued.  Any other suggestions?
==
Peter Chen
pwyc@ihspa.att.com
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org