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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Has anyone in Europe got Win NT Oct?
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

In <tomwii.724317807@meryl> tomwii@meryl.csd.uu.se (Tomas Wiiand) writes:
>Has anyone outside US got their October release of Win NT?
>
>I live in Sweden and I still haven't got my October (December?) release!
>
Here in Germany, the October release was shipped Nov 30th to Dec 5th.

Christoph
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: beng@microsoft.com (Ben Goetter)
Subject: Re: Developing Regular Winapps On NT?
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:45:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft, WGA Shotgun

In article <1gj243INN4si@smurf.sti.com> westes@smurf.sti.com (Will Estes) writes:
| Has anyone out there been using NT as a platform for the development of
| straight Win-16 Windows 3.1 apps?  Would it be better to use the
| NT-supplied SDK and 7.0 compiler to do this, or the Win-16 7.0 compiler
| now in commercial distribution?

The tools in the Beta SDK cannot generate Win16 binaries.  (Or rather, I
should say that the compilers and linker in the SDK cannot generate these.
Nothing prevents the SDK nmake, cvpack, etc. from working to a 16-bit end.)

While you could run MSC 7.0 on NT to this end, the October Beta VDM isn't
quite yet up to C7's required level of 32-bit DPMI support.  This Beta will,
however, run the OS/2-hosted version of the compiler (available through
fulfillment).

I'm not sure whether the next Beta will enable 32-bit DPMI in a VDM or not.

--
Ben Goetter
beng@microsoft.com
From: pk64380@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Kuusisto Pasi Petri,,,SIG,64380)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: DLGEDIT, where oh where has my toolbar gone?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 11:24:34 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Tampere, Dep. of Computer Science ,Finland 
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pk64380@kaarne.cs.tut.fi
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From article <1992Dec11.161213.5669@b23a.b23a.ingr.com>, by wolf@web.b15.ingr.com (Wayne Wolf):
> 
> Anyone out there try to run Dlgedit under October release beta NT and
> not have any controls toolbar appear.  I'm running under NTFS, kicking
> off dlgedit, selecting a new file for the dialog.  I never get a
> controls toolbar.  I've toggled it on/off a thousand times (Ctrl-F9), all
> to no avail, it simply NEVER appears.  This makes it quite impossible
> to place controls into my dialog, making this tool useless.
> 
> Anyone else experiencing this?  I scanned thru the readme files I could
> find and no mention of dlgedit not working properly.  I'm wondering if
> it has something to do with running it under NTFS.  Does it run properly
> for anyone under FAT?

   Runs fine for me - then again I use 3.1, not NT. One thought, tho ...
   The only thing I could imagine being wrong is that the toolbox may be
   out-of-screen. Try modifying the TBPos values in DLGEDIT.INI.

   (Or try Alt-F6 to see if the focus moves to ToolBox, ie out of
    dlgedit itself)

> Wayne Wolf

   -zi
From: westes@smurf.sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Developing Regular Winapps On NT?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:33:39 GMT
Organization: Mail Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: smurf.sti.com

Has anyone out there been using NT as a platform for the development of
straight Win-16 Windows 3.1 apps?  Would it be better to use the
NT-supplied SDK and 7.0 compiler to do this, or the Win-16 7.0 compiler
now in commercial distribution?  Has anyone had luck using Borland 3.1
or Zortech 3.0/3.1 to develop Win-16 apps under NT?

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: joiner@exa.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: link386.exe was it left out of NT?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:21:28 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Dec15.180415.7927@cs.mcgill.ca> storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) writes:

>In article <1992Dec12.001535.8433@u.washington.edu> mvickers@orca.fhcrc.org (Mark Vickers) writes:
>>I tried to compile a simple C program on NT and when I typed
>>cl myprog.c I got an error that it couldn't find link386.exe
>>I looked on the entire distribution CD and couldn't find it.

NT uses LINK.EXE as a driver to call COFF.EXE.  There is no LINK386.EXE.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: gisie@wam.umd.edu (Satan)
Subject: *Sigh* It's Installed (Some Questions)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:16:24 GMT

I finally got my copy of NT installed late last night.  I had
only a few problems.  Here goes netters:

1.	My installation could not find the file "netevent.dll"
	I searched the CD and couldnt find it anywhere.  This
	is no biggie if its only needed for networks

2.	The logitech mouse refuses to work.  Should I select
	the Microsoft Mouse driver when using the Logitech?
	(The mouse just hangs about in the upper left and jumps
	around when you move it)

3.	The S3 drivers only work in 640x480x256.  Any way to get
	the 800x600 ones going?

4.	When I try to choose to install "Other Manufacturers..."
	from the setup, It always returns "Cannot find path.."
	and something about OEM something (sorry I didnt get
	that one written down)

Other than this, everything went pretty smooth.

I Am using a 486DX-50, SIS Chipset, AMI Bios, Diamond Stealth HiColor,
Logitech mouse in Com 1, Modem in Com 2, Nothing in any LPT: ports...

Thanks for any info!
Tim

PS - I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a win32 programmers
group AND a win32.install or win32.general or some other type of
newsgroup that is pointer more towards install and general questions.
Any comments?


-- 
gisie@wam.umd.edu
"How will these windows affect my final document?"
From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: What is a Fatal System Error 0x0000F006 ??
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:24:13 GMT
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

In <1992Dec12.074959.26741@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> tim@math.uakron.edu (Timothy Smith) writes:
>
>When ever I run NT for more than a few minutes I get the following
>messages:  Fatal System Error: 0x0000F006
>
>Now what in the hell is that?  I've heard of cryptic error messages, but
>you have to be kidding..  Any ideas..
>

F006 means illegal opcode. CS:IP points to instruction, that is illegal
for your processor. I got this error once. But every few minutes, hmm,
maybe you are running a PD/SW program for NT, which contains an illegal
opcode.

Christoph

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: rryan@panix.com (Rob Ryan)
Subject: Re: Can someone post how to ask Microsoft a question on Compuserve
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:30:29 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

As a rule, Microsoft will not answer mail sent to their Compu$erve accounts
from non-Compu$erve users (presumably because it costs Compu$erve users extra
to read mail from Internet).  The general procedure for asking questions, 
though, is not to send mail, but rather to post to the appropriate forum.
There is no way to post to or read from any forum without logging on to
Compu$erve directly with your own, personal CIS userid.

The short answer to your question is "you can only do it from your
Compu$erve account".  You can contact Microsoft's Product Support
Services (PSS), 1-800-227-4679 for details on various other support
options.  They include telephone assistance (for C/C++ it is
1-206-635-7007), Microsoft Download Services (1-206-936-6735).

While Compu$erve seems to have taken steps to make their system more 
reasonable (a flat $8 per month with no usage fees) for basic services
(news, encyclopedia, stock prices, etc), extended services like Microsoft's
forums still incur hourly rates (roughly $23/hour at 9600bps, $13/hour at
2400 and 1200bps, and $7/hour at 300bps) and are prohibitive for individual
users like us.  With smart computing techniques (writing messages off-line
and transmitting them quickly when you log on) you can minimize bills, but
you still can't afford to sit and browse the system.

If you have a CD system, you can also look into Microsoft's Developer Network
CD, which is $30 (I think).  You can call the 1-800 number to get details.

-- 
 Rob Ryan
    rryan@panix.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: terence@tanru.tti.com ( Terry)
Subject: Want a windows program to come up at boot
Summary: Can get program started but window not visible.
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:14:03 GMT


We are trying to get a program to start at boot-up.  I've investigated the
Service API and can get the program started.  The problem is the NT
logon screen, it is always in the foreground.  I know the window is up
since I put a Beep() just before the message loop starts but I don't see
the main window of my application, just the logon screen.  If I then
logon the very first window displayed, before the program manager, is the
main window of my application.

I looked at the clock program that comes with NT.  It has an "Always on top"
selection.  I used spy and discovered that clock creates a timer.  Is clock
using ShowWindow at each timer message to keep itself up front?  Would this
override winlogon?

I've also tried renaming winlogon.exe to my application, that didn't
work.  Is there something I'm missing.  At the NT Device Developers
conference we were led to believe that this idea is possible.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Terry (terence@soldev.tti.com)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: FTP performance
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:02:07 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


I get about 100 kbytes/sec between two PS/2 mod 95 (33mhz 486) which is
tolerable but not fantastic. Are there some knobs to be turned (like
MTU size, NDIS transmit buffer sizes etc). BTW, how do you change MTU ?

Oleg Vishnepolsky
From: bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: ANSI terminal emulation in console? 
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:50:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC

In article <724711186snz@chrism.demon.co.uk>, chris@chrism.demon.co.uk (Chris Marriott) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.095040.4624@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> rushing@titan.ksc.nasa.gov writes:
> 
>>Is there any way to get ANSI terminal emulation in a console
>>window?  There's a file 'ansi.sys' in the nt/system dir, but 
>>sticking that into the config.sys file doesn't seem to do anything.
>>The console API sample app doesn't mention anything about
>>it either.
> 
> No - Microsoft say that not including ANSI escape sequence support in
> Console windows was a deliberate design decision, made for the sake of
> performance.  However, ANSI support MAY appear in the retail.
> Note, however, that you have all the low-level stuff you need - moving
> the cursor, etc - so "rolling your own" shouldn't be too hard a job.

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, and if that's
the real reason for not including ANSI escape sequence support, then
offhand it sounds wrongheaded to me.  Although it's obvious that _using_
the ANSI support would be less efficient than doing `move cursor' and
similar functions manually (because the ANSI code would probably not be
able to optimize the operations as well as a well-written app), if the
functions are _there_ but not _used_, the overhead to determine that a
string contains no ANSI sequences is quite low, down in the background
noise level (language and OS I/O runtime, video drivers, etc).

More likely the real reason is either (1) they haven't had time to put
it in and test it properly yet or (2) they feel that using such sequences
is poor programming practice on the part of application programmers, and
are trying to discourage it for performance and/or maintainability reasons.

Although I don't necessarily disagree too much with this logic (embedding
hardcoded escape sequences in application code can definitely cause
maintainability and porting problems), there is a lot of code out there
that does this;  and even if the application code doesn't do this, it
often calls runtime library routines (like curses or similar packages)
that spit out escape sequences depending on the terminal.  (This latter
approach is generally considered more maintainable then embedding the
sequences in the app's code itself).  Of course you can rewrite the
library if you have time and the source code, but you don't always have
either.  Not supporting ANSI sequences as a `bridge' for older software
to use until it can be rewritten looks like a case of shooting yourself
in the foot in the name of ideological purity.

If you're complaining that the graphics engine text output calls don't
support ANSI escape sequences, that's entirely reasonable -- ANSI escape
sequences have little meaning in an environment with multiple fonts and
point sizes and with variable-pitch fonts.

Bruce C. Wright
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl)
Subject: Re: Port from WIN3.X -> WIN32
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:36:53 GMT

In <13266.2b2851b3@cpva.saic.com> holmesme@cpva.saic.com writes:

>Howdy,
>General interest question.  
>	A - How is the port between WIN3.x -> WIN32 ?

There is a booklet in the NT PDK which describes this
at length - it is too long to repeat it here.

>		1 - What types of changes are required ?

See above. It depends on what your WIN3.x program does.

Most changes are of purely syntactic nature and can be
done mechanically. There is a tool to find and annotate
such places of a program contained in the SDK, called
porttool.

One example: the structure of the WM_COMMAND message
has changed from 3.1 to 32, so you have to insert 
macros which extract the parts: notification code,
control id and control handle. If you don't intent to
retain downward source code compatibility, you can
simply change the code by removing/adding HIWORD()
/LOWORD() as necessary.

>		2 - Any personal Experiences ??

Well, getting a first, but fully functional version of Klotz
to run under NT took less than an hour. Currently, Klotz is 
4000 lines long, including comments, but excluding .h files.

I would expect the porting time to be almost proportional
to the size of the code. Of course, this doesn't take
into account that the increase in complexity is more than
linear. On the other hand, with a little bit of knowledge
about the program a lot of conversion work could be fully
automated, which pays of for larger programs, only.

If I had a, say, 100.000 lines Windows program, I probably
would start the conversion by writing a custom variant
of porttool in Spitbol/SNOBOL. Small programs like the above
are better ported manually, function by function. I didn't
even use porttool on it.

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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Subject: Re: ATI drivers for Ultra Plus/Pro at CICA
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:59:05 GMT

In <1992Dec13.135208.2902@brandonu.ca> goldsborough@brandonu.ca (Gordon Goldsborough) writes:
>> Does anyone know where Win NT drivers for ATI Ultra Pro can be
>> found?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>Apparently, the file was corrupted during upload to cica and was removed.
>It has not been reposted.
>

I have uploaded them as M32NTC.ZIP to ftp.cica.indiana.edu. You should
find it in /pub/pc/win3/uploads and later in /pub/pc/win3/nt.

The files should be as follows:

      
      ATI MACH32 BETA WINDOWS NT DRIVERS (MEM.APERTURE REQUIRED)
      
           Please read the README file for instructions!

Length  Method   Size  Ratio   Date    Time   CRC-32  Attr  Name
------  ------   ----- -----   ----    ----   ------  ----  ----
 35840  Implode  12485  66%  11-13-92  15:52  9873a70e --w  68800.SYS
 42496  Implode  10208  76%  10-03-92  12:19  4bc98246 --w  FRAMEBUF.DLL
 28160  Implode  11882  58%  11-05-92  14:35  62b88da6 --w  INPORT.SYS
 52736  Implode  20139  62%  11-13-92  14:43  31659142 --w  ANTPANEL.EXE
  6264  Implode   2736  57%  11-13-92  17:56  067eec28 --w  README
------          ------  ---                                 -------
165496           57450  66%                                       5


Christoph

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Internet: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de       | D-W-3550 Marburg
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl)
Subject: Re: link386.exe was it left out of NT?
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:15:24 GMT

In <1992Dec12.001535.8433@u.washington.edu> mvickers@orca.fhcrc.org (Mark Vickers) writes:

>I tried to compile a simple C program on NT and when I typed
>cl myprog.c I got an error that it couldn't find link386.exe

>I looked on the entire distribution CD and couldn't find it.

>How does one compile simple ANSI C on NT?

Look into the \mstools\samples\simple directory. It contains a
makefile which compiles the simple.c program, which just prints 
a Microsoft version of "hello world". ;-)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: ATI drivers for Ultra Plus/Pro at CICA
From: goldsborough@brandonu.ca (Gordon Goldsborough)
Date: 13 Dec 92 13:52:07 CST
Organization: Brandon University

In article <1992Dec8.172156.22971@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) writes:
> : In article <1992Nov27.123348.2860@brandonu.ca>, goldsborough@brandonu.ca (Gordon Goldsborough) writes:
> : >The ATI drivers for the Ultra Plus and Ultra Pro have appeared in the
> : >uploads directory at cica. The associated readme file states that the
> : >drivers are intended only for these cards and will not work with the
> : >regular Ultra or Vantage, but that drivers are promised for January.
> 
> I was unable to find these drivers anywhere on ftp.cica.indiana.edu.
> The closest I could come was a more recent file,
> pro50.zip, which has ATI drivers that apparently are only for
> Windows 3.1.  Also, they work with the Vantage and other cards,
> which further leads me to believe that this isn't the file I'm
> looking for.
> 
> Does anyone know where Win NT drivers for ATI Ultra Pro can be
> found? 
> 
> Thanks.

Apparently, the file was corrupted during upload to cica and was removed.
It has not been reposted.
From: slewis@aero.org (Steven Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Windows NT ate all my disk space - HELP!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:40:52 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
     I have been trying to port a substantial C++ program to NT.
   Also - the total files reported bu DU is 88 MB. The 
   Is there any way to get NT to report all its use and clean up
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From: gary.chan@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Gary Chan) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: What's with this 0x69 err
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:32:00 GMT
Reply-To: gary.chan@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Gary Chan) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - Vancouver B.C. - (604)986-9937 (604)255-9937

Mark Morley to All on 12-10-92 All about What's with this 0x69 err

MM>From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley)
MM>Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
MM>Subject: What's with this 0x69 error?
MM>Message-ID: <1992Dec8.184015.3693@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>
MM>Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 18:40:15 GMT
MM>
MM>After installing the October SDK on a 486DX/50 with 16M of RAM, I get 
MM>error number 0x69 when trying to start up NT.  I did not have this pro
MM>when installing on to a 486DX/33 of the same brand, etc.  What exactly
MM>does this particular error number imply?  Anyone else ever get this? (
MM>seem to remember someone else mentioning this a while back...)

You are having a hard drive related problem.  What type of drive and 
computer do you have?  Be as detailed as possible.


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