HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Diastaurwsh Statistikwn
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:16:30 GMT


Anamesa sta alla kakoboula lathh pou parousiase upotithetai
h Mond, kata ton Skopiano, anaferei to upsos twn sunolikwn
eisrown sth Ellada apo thn EOK mexri stigmhs: 18 dis $
(dhladh panw apo duo Ellhnikous ethsious kratikous pro'u'pologismous).
Epeidh o idios to "thaumase", kai epeidh kai egw to briskw
ekswfreniko, mhpws exei kaneis eukaira stoixeia;
Otan leme "sunolikes eisroes" ennoume auta pou mas epixorhghsan
dwrean ta diafora tameia ths EOK gia diaforous skopous 
(oxi bebaiws ta daneia kath'eauta), meion ta esoda
sthn EOK pou suneisferame (auta ean den kanw lathos einai to 1%
twn esodwn ths Elladas apo forous).

Euxaristw ton opoio filotimhsan,

Grhgorhs
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3322 soc.culture.yugoslavia:3916 soc.culture.europe:3773
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: "Greece - An EC Pet" - A Le Monde Article
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:08:46 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Followups will be directed to soc.culture.greek only.

In article <1992Apr15.005116.28234@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
karadimc@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Anton Karadimce) writes:
>From "Nova Makedonija", April 5, 1992, page 19
>[The article originally appeared in Le Monde, prior to the above date]
>Note: The "Nova Makedonija" translation may be a reduced version 
>of the original "Le Monde" article.
>[reprinted without permission, translated by A.P.K.]

>record), Greece became the 12th EC member on January 1, 1981.

10th.

>	Ten days after Jan. 1, 1981, socialist PASOK came to
>power. Although PASOK began a campaign for getting out of NATO and

PASOK came to power in the summer of 1981.

Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: mutlu-malak
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:50:09 GMT

>From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
>Subject:Greek Haircuts Are Consumed Only By Residents Of Greece, 'Tri*.'
 
Well, that depends mutlu-malak... if we are talking about
head-hair-cuts then that might be the case... if however we are
talking about your corass'es hair, I dont care!!! I'll have to
part them for you so that I have a cleaner job.... but I dont
care whichever way you do that ... haircut...
 
>Turkiye among them(countries)
 
Turkiye is banana republic mutlu-malak, we all know it...
 
>Instead of wasting your time by your unsubstantiated claims, why not
>quote your original article?
 
Look what bloody piece of paid turkish propaganda is asking
for substantiated claims...
 
>some countries? In the summer of 1986, the 'Economist' magazine
>conducted an extensive survey on the prices of Big Mac hamburgers
>at McDonald's restaurants throughout the world. Have you read the
>survey results?
 
Even if someone was going to try to look for the survey mutlu-malak,
now that YOU mentioned it, they wont bother.... they know it wont be
there...
 
>Or were you just having a gloomy day?
 
The gloomy day is for us mutlu malak, and its only on the workings.
 
 
>Wrong.
You've always been....
 
 
Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC
 
 
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3245 soc.culture.soviet:2988
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Pontians
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:28:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Oh, sorry but I forgot about the demography. There are only
estimates, since Pontians are Greeks, just like Cretans,
Macedonians, Ipirotes, Thracians, etc and there is no special
reason for the state to make any discrimination in the
statistics.

The last time, I heard a figure of ~1.2million for Greece,
400,000 for the x-south Soviet Union around the Black Sea and
~200,000 for the rest. Even Gavril Popov (the mayor of Moscow)
is a well known Pontian. About other areas, I do not remember
now. Perhaps I could find out.


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From: csoureli@descartes.waterloo.edu (Constantine Sourelis)
Subject: Re: "Ideal" restaurant in Athens
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:51:17 GMT

In article <jon.703010174@lindy.Stanford.EDU> Jon Corelis writes:
>
>   I've heard that the "Ideal" restaurant, one of the oldest and most
>popular restaurants in central Athens, has been closed because of
>fire.  Does anyone know if it's opened again yet?  I hope to be in
>Athens soon and would like to go back there -- if it still exists.
>Thanks for any information,
>
>                                     Jon Corelis 
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>
>
>Jon Corelis               jon@lindy.stanford.edu
>Stanford University       BITNET:  BA.JYC@RLG.STANFORD.EDU 


Yes, it reopened last summer.


Costas Sourelis.
From: kardaras@EWOK.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Yiwryos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: test
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:00:32 GMT


this is just a test... please, ignore...
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,sco.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Macedonia according to a 1940 National Geographic Map
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:18:34 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

(Reposted, since it seems nothing I posted last weekend got anywhere.
Apologies if you see this twice.)

Panagiotis Lolonis (lolonis@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu) writes:
>In an inset map that shows the Roman Empire in its greatest extent,
>the Macedonia region covers Thessaly (region in Central Greece),
>Macedonia (Region in Greece), a large part of Albania, part of Bulgaria,
>and the part of Yugoslavia south of Skopje (Skopje is not included since
>it is north of the northern boundary of Macedonia).

In the map of the Roman Empire in The Times Concise Atlas of World
History, the Roman province of Macedonia clerly includes most, maybe
all of present-day Republic of Macedonia. (And possibly some of Serbia
too.) Since the current borders are not included, it is  a bit difficult
to draw exact conclusions. It is however safe to say that the spot where
Skopje is today was part of Roman Macedonia, since the Vardar/Aixos river
is one the map, and the border is just north of the northenmost "hook" 
of Vardar. Skopje is located on Vardar some 20-30 km south-west of
this "hook".

>I strongly suggest to all people who participated or followed the
>discussion about the Macedonia to see that map.  It shows the
>geography of the area before the changes that happened during and after World
>War II.

And it seems that it changed a couple of time before WWII too.
We all know that Macedonia as a concept extended beyond the Greek
portion of Macedonia, in the international politics in the 19th
century, so an occassional map from National Geographic in 1940 
does not prove very much.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: c23st@KOCRSV01.DELCOELECT.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: More about Foreign Aid
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:08:57 GMT

ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) from Manchester, England writes:
> You sound like NikosGavrieltos-without-sodomy. 

I am honored. (Howadoin, Nick?)

> US and allies have
> paid that small and insignificant country that happens to lie on the
> west of the Aeagean amounts of dollars (and pounds and marks and ...) 

I got news for you, *utluk; It does not lie west of the Aegean, it
IS the Aegean. The Aegean is not a dividing line. It is part of Greece
with the exception of a couple of islands. Care to retract your text?

> much more than it deserved. That country (ok, it is Greece, I won't leave
> you in pain) got its military help with 7/10 to Turkiye. It has 1/6
> of Turkiye's population but 7/10 of the help. And what did Greece do ?

As 'Caroutas' oops I mean C. Caroutas said (just kidding Costas B-)) said:

cc> You make it sound as if Turkey is getting 3/10. The ratio of military
cc> aid to Greece compared to that of Turkey is 7/10. This, however, was
cc> until this year really not the case. Because the 7 that Greece received
cc> was mostly in repayable credits while the 10 that Turkey received was
cc> mostly free aid.

> It blocks EC help to Turkiye too.

Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya. If Greece was Turkiye and Turkiye was Greece what
would you do, given the long tradition between our two countries?

> That is just another example Greece
> has never been a true ally since the War. Still loads-a-money goin' there.

I guess our lobby and Greek immigrant politicians are working better than
yours. ('Triantafyllopoulos' for president in 2010 anyone?)

> It [Greece's foreign aid] must come to us instead.

MUST? Gee. I am awed. I'll see to that after my inauguration in 2010. 

> If that money hadn't come to Turkey now you guys in US were buying oil
> with million dollars per barrel, says George Bush. 

In that case I'd buy an electric car then (and get the employe discount :-))

> So Turkey's 
> importance for the West is more crucial than your ten dollars, don't worry.

Maybe one day you'll become a taxpayer and understand. Till then, stay in
school, it's tax free though the food is typically bad (and in England, awgawd)

PS: I apologize for the tone of the message (seriously). As for my suggestion
    to generate foreign aid thru voluntary contributions, it still stands.
    There's 100 US million taxpayers, 15 Billion aid, hence I'd save $150/yr,
    about the cost of HBO. I'd rather watch HBO than give $$$ to <nation>.
    If you'd rather give $$$ to <nation> disconnect HBO & pay extra taxes.

Spiros
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From: hassioti@santafe.ecn.purdue.edu (Sophia Hassiotis)
Subject: Sappho
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Summary: reference 
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: soc.culture.greek
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:40:33 GMT

To the fellow netter who asked for references

--The Songs of Sappho, The Peter Pauper Press, Mount Vernon,
  N.Y., c.1966             
This book includes 124 out of a possible 209 pieces
translated into English by several poets.
 
You should look under Henry T. Wharton or J.M. Edmonds to
find her complete work translated into English.

 Hope it helps,

 Sophia

Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3239 soc.culture.turkish:4102
From: athanass@concour.cs.concordia.ca (MICHAILIDIS athanassios)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: " Akousate ... Akousate"
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:47:15 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec



Mono mia erwthsh: Eipan tipota stin ekpombh auth gia
Read News, .h. Internet ktl ?

thanassis

athanass@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: " Akousate ... Akousate"
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:04:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Agapite Giwrgi,

Kai pali thelw na sou tonisw auta pou egrapsa kai sto
proigoumeno mou mynima. Kserw ti ennoeis. Kai gia mena itan
ekpliksi to thema Samara (aneksartita me to poios exei dikio:
Samaras/Mitsotakis) kai des kai to xthesino fyllo tou Financial
Times, deuteri selida kai mallon tha symfwniseis kai esy.

Alla auto den simainei pws prepei na xanoume to tharos mas.
Eimaste mikri xwra kai oxi Yperdynami, alla den prepei na
kompleksarizomaste!

Kai to pio basiko: Hmoun kai egw tin Kuriaki sto Trafalgar Sq
stin diadilwsi. Akousa pws to edeikse kai katw i Elliniki
tileorasi. Fysika mallon den anefere oti imastan 3000 ante 4000
me to zori. Oxi megalos arithmos (misi plateia gemisame), alla
itan aksioprepis. Giati pigame emeis ekei? Gia na kanoume xari
ston Mitsotaki, ston Samara, ston Papandreou i opoion allo
politiko? Oxi bebaia. Gia tin Ellinikotita tis Makedonias. Oute
o agiografos pou eftiakse to pano (o Leuteris o Foulidis) to
ekane gia kanena proswpo eidika (eimai sigouros pws ta eksoda
ta plirwse apo tin tsepi tou). Oute fysika kai mia fili Kineza
(ap' to Hong Kong) pou itan me ena plakat na grafei 'H
Makedonia einai Elliniki' sta Kinezika(!) gia tous touristes.

Allimono an itan etsi. Tha eixame sbysei apo kairo. Bebaia, to
ksereis kai esy pws kammia apo oles autes tis sygkentrwseis den
tis edeikse kanena Aggliko kanali. Emeis omws kati aplo pou
mporousame na kanoume ('kalamarades' kai 'koumparoi' enwmenoi)
to kaname.

Hremia kai tha doume.

Filika, Panayotis
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From: djy@ecfa.jsc.nasa.gov (Demetrios Yannakopoulos)
Subject: Dear Ms. Hassiotis
Summary: Immature postings
Keywords: Gavrielatos
Reply-To: djy@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/JSC Engineering Computation Facility
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:36:53 GMT

Dear Sophia,

I would like to comment on your reaction/response to N. Gavrielatos.

Even though justified, I think it is a lost case. I have been reading
his postings since early 1989 when he first appeared on s.c.g. He is
arrogant, immature, illiterate (especially in greek,) pompous, sexually
disoriented (to say the least,) unable to discuss issues, always resolving
on personal attacks, lacking real knowledge of history/politics/social
problems.  His world revolves around cheap homosexual innuendos, tasteless
attempts to smear an individual with unsubstantiated personal attacks,
slanders, and sycophancies.
In sort, he is a typical coffee-shoppe thug (!) (in greek, "vtans tou 
kafeveiou!!!")

I really wish you luck on trying to give to this brainless creature a
piece of your mind. However, I think that the end results would be 
frustration for you and the sickening self admiration left in him (i.e.
"If everybody is talking about me, then I must be important!!!...")

I started reading this newsgroup almost 7 years ago, I even actively
participated in the discussions on the Cyprus issue for a period. 
Unfortunately, people like Nick Gavrielatos (...and his counterpart
on the side of the fence: Hasan Mutlu) deterred any further thoughts
of mine to continue posting here.
In _my_ opinion, because of people like N. Gavrielatos, people like
T. Laliotis, M. Bar, A. Delis, S. Triantafyllopoulos (and other whose
names I don't recall at this point,) have stopped (or reduced the the
rate of) posting their mild, firm, and well-mannered articles.

The only "funny" thought on this problem is that the turks have their
own version of this... disease, it is called Hasan B. Mutlu!!!

Friendly,

Demetrios
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: A CALL TO ARMS FOR ALL MACEDONIANS
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:19:56 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

(Reposted, because of problems with disappearing articles. My apologies
if you see this twice.)

Theodore P. David (tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu) writes:
>I offered an alternative explantion to the lunatic posting on call for arms:
>>- c8826859 is actually Greek, and forged this posting to blackpaint
>>  Macedonia's cause.
>
>No, Erland. The signature (which for some reason you didn't include) says
>V-R-M-O. You know very well what that is!!!

Oh, so even if a Greek would forge this posting, he would not
descend to sign it with VRMO, is that what you're trying to tell
me?

I was informed in mail by a Greek netter who had been ambitious
to get in touch with c8826859's postmaster, and apparently it
was confirmed that this lunatic actually is Macedonian. Also,
the November article reposted by Biomed Dept (what about a real
name? :-) seemed to show that this was not an occassional prank.

So we can conclude that the poster actually is Macedonian, but I
hope everyone here realizes that c8826859 is nothing but a mere
lunatic, and not representative for the Republic of Macedonia.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3307 soc.culture.europe:3736 soc.culture.turkish:4206
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Equal PPP means Equal Living Standards, except for ....
Date: 14 Apr 1992 03:01:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


Well, I am not getting Hasan's imbecile postings anymore. However, 
PPP and Law of one Price aside , he is right if and only if:

Absolute prices are in Turkyie more than 4 times lower than absolute
prices in Greece. This follows since Greece has a GNP/capita  roughly
four times, in absolute value, larger than Turkyie...So, for the average
Turk, who makes 4 times less than the average Greek, life is going to be
better iff the market prices he faces are more than 4 times smnaller..

Cheers!

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics

Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3172 soc.culture.turkish:4022
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: GREECE: HARASSMENT AGAINST TURKISH MINORITY
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:30:13 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Apr7.152010.3506@cns.umist.ac.uk>, ko@cns.umist.ac.uk
(Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
>Subject: GREECE: HARASSMENT AGAINST TURKISH MINORITY

Text deleted. Weird. The text was almost identical to that of a previous
posting about the harassment of the Greek minority in Turkey. Mainly, the
words Greek and Turkish were exchanged...

Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Noone believes you mutlu-malak
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:42:28 GMT

>Believe me, all your article reflects is your abundant ignorance.
 
Noone believes you mutlu-malak, noone....
For some, that's their ultimate revenge.... for me, its only the
beginning...
 
>The bigots who propound such a pathetic outlook are far from grasping
 
The bigot is YOU mutlu-malak, and you are going to grasp IT big
time.... 'IT'.... like in 'WILD THING'
 
>the 'number' you are referring to is a figment of your
>imagination. It has never existed in the real world and never
>will.
 
.... kind of like all the trash you've been sending from '87...
figment of you sick and barbaric bloody imagination....
ill-fated wishful thinking....
 
Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC
 
 
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3345 soc.culture.yugoslavia:3941 soc.culture.europe:3815
From: THEO@licra.dn.mu.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: "Greece - An EC Pet" - A Le Monde Article
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:30:32 GMT
Organization: Ludwig Institute for Cancer Research

In article <1992Apr15.005116.28234@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, karadimc@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Anton Karadimce) writes:
> From "Nova Makedonija", April 5, 1992, page 19
> 
> [The article originally appeared in Le Monde, prior to the above date]
> 
> Note: The "Nova Makedonija" translation may be a reduced version 
> of the original "Le Monde" article.
>      
> [reprinted without permission, translated by A.P.K.]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The anatomy of Greek admission to EC
> 
> GREECE - AN EC PET
>
.................text deleted........................................
 
> Indeed, Greece from 1981 to 1990 received from EC
> over 18 billion dollars [boy! - sorry, couldn't resist - APK].
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> 
> Disclaimer:  
> 	The article above is provided for the benefits of the
> readers of this newsgroup. It can not be assumed that the author of 
> this posting, or his organization, share the views expressed in the
> article. 
> 
> ========================================================================
> 
> This article seems to paint a rather grim picture of modern Greece.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Anton P. Karadimce

There is no doubt the Greek economy is in a difficult situation but it has 
been so for many years.  I am no economist but I feel that an article 
reflecting similar economic problems can be written about many OECD 
countries, if not most.  Amongst the EC countries, Greece will have to 
improve enormously and will no doubt achieve this albeit more slowly than 
what it should.  Science and technology (especially science) in Greece is 
expanding rapidly and is being de-centralized (eg. FORTH multidisciplinary 
science-techhnology institute in Heraklion Crete).

The disclaimer above is a real joke, what's this crap about "benefit of 
reader".  If you want to be of benefit write about the state of Western 
economies in general or leave out patronising disclaimers - you only 
exhibit the real reason for posting this article.

Theo Mantamadiotis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.korean
From: spiff@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Jason Leigh)
Subject: Call for Very short folk tales
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:36:22 GMT


Hi, as you can see I have cross posted this message on all soc.culture
groups.

I am looking for very short folk tales in any language and origin to animate
for SIGGRAPH 93.  The emphasis is on VERY short folk tales with good imagery
and perhaps a somewhat surreal quality.  If you can think of one off the
top of your head please email me a message with a brief description of
the following:

Title:
Language:
Very brief story outline:
Would you be willing to give me assistance on making translations:

In the animation I will most likely have the narration be in the native
language the story originates (and perhaps with subtitles) or have
a native of the country narrate.

Thanks.

Jason Leigh
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