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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:26:56 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>   If the price is true, that would still leave a more than $1500 gap in
>Commodore's product line, between the A1200 and the EC030-based A4000.  
>Commodore really needs to develop a system that would be positioned in between
>the A1200 and the cheapest A4000; something like an A1200 with an 'EC030, '882,
>and a detached keyboard would be nice.  However, Commodore has a history of
>not marketing mid-range systems, so I don't think Commodore will start
>marketing one now.

Marc... Marc... oh Marc!!! anybody home??

have you asked the guy how much does the A4000/040 cost over there???

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Humor [was Re: The volume of traffic here is quite incredible!]
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:14:35 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
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In article <1jirshINNt6i@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>(I wrote one dinky little line, folks, you should have deleted me.  :)

rm "/earth/us/Gregory R Block"

"/earth/us/Gregory R Block" not found

Oh, drat, in a later article you -did- say you were dead.

cd /
find . -name "Gregory R Block" -print

I'll get you yet, AH HA HA!  ;)

>Actually, I make use of David Navas's direct neural telepathic
>transmission system, but that's another story, and the relevant people
>already know that.  :)

Yes, and hearing my name mentioned over the neural "net", I had to
slog through 500 articles just to find the reference.  And it's only
token.  I'm outraged!  :)

If you're attending DevCon, remind me to update you to our new HyperPathic
ElephantPit transmission system.  For you new initiates, an ElephantPit
is kind of like a WormHole, only a lot larger -- plus it has the advantage
of having collapsed from a non-spheroid with an eccentricity of about 3.0,
providing a number (well, okay, -2-) of interesting naked singularities.

The new HyperPathic ElephantPit transmission system does Internet one better
by routing messages through (yes, you guessed it) the center of the galaxy,
back through time, and back to the receiver.  A Complex-Relativistic-
Interstitial Algorithm is used to recover the time lost in the signal =
travelling time.  This is in direct comparison to Internet, which DOES
route your messages though the center of the galaxy, but has no
algorithm to recover the lost time involved in doing so.

If you had been using this instead, I could have (C)aught up with my reading
in this newsgroup and then just polled the newsgroup for your message (so
I could respond with meaningless garbage like this).

There are some disadvantages....  Because of the complexities of naked
singularities and wormhole travel (in particular, quantum effects
involving the inversion of the time/space axis in the uncertainty
principle), signal loss is 100%.  So long as the s/n ratio of the
original signal is 0, there's no problem.

This is the perfect group to try it on....

PS: Dear fools who read this for Humor content.  You're reading the wrong
    newsgroup.  Might I suggest rec.humor instead?
:)

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
From: traynor@fnala.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: WANTED: info on ftp addresses for Fred Fish disks
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:39:43 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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Hello,

Could someone provide me with ftp addresses such that I could download
recent and/or old Fred Fish disks?  I would very much appreciate it 
if replies could be directly via e-mail.  Thanks.

					-Mike Traynor

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:03:30 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1993Jan25.154017.13435@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: Maybe, but how then do you go to the root directory?  Whatever it is, it's
: another way that AmigaOS is inconsistent with UNIX.

Argh.

Look at the composition of our filesystem:

LogicalDrive:MainDrawer/SubDrawer/SubSubDrawer

The logical drive is "LogicalDrive:", and therefore, it makes sense that
":" would take you there.  The directory divider is the "/", and
therefore, it makes sense that issuing a "/" will take you back a single
directory.

It's consistent, which is more than I can say for a lot of systems.

Greg

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From: bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Bevis)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:58:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.164542.28799@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
>: >
>: >You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
>: > 
>: >Does it matter, Skip?
>:
>: Yes.  If I didn't use anything but Clones, it might not be.  But I use
>: Amigas and various UNIX boxes on a daily basis and the Clones are the
>: only ones that do things backwards.

I, too, have found this strange.  Why did they ever choose '\'? 

>
>Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
>and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?

I used to miss '..' and '.' on my Amiga system.  However, I got over '..'.
Use of '/' to accomplish the same thing is actually easier to type.  To
back out of my current directory and enter a new one, I just type
'/newdir' at the shell prompt.  I like that -- better than '..' now.

-bevis

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:50:21 GMT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario

In article <C1FGos.4uo@unccsun.uncc.edu> msmcknig@unccsun.uncc.edu
(Michael S McKnight) writes:

>Why in the world is Commodore making all of their new machines with the EC
>chips instead of the full blown versions? The A1200 has a 68EC020, the
>proposed A4000-030 has a 68EC030 and I even heard that the chip in the A4000
>was a 68EC040.

With an entry-level system like the A1200, every item is scrutinized in terms
of consumer pricing and manufacturing costs, so using a EC020 chip is a
reasonable compromise. As for the A4000, the only currently available model
makes use of a full 68040, despite any misconceptions to the contrary.
The decision to market an EC030 version is likely a measure to satisfy those
that are midway between the A1200 and A4000 in their product demands. An
additional 68030 version is slated to follow.

>Sure, it might be cheaper, but by how much?  We should at least be given the
>option.  Using the EC chips makes virtual memory impossible and UNIX, should
>CBM ever get back into it, also impossible.

However, at the consumer level, the A4000/EC030 would be a practical
alternative to both the A1200 and A4000. Because of the modularity of the
processor card, it's only a matter of time before inexpensive multifunction
accelerators become available. When users find that their demands exceed
the EC030, alternatives will be available.

>If CBM wants to leave the MMU out of the low end machines (600, 500), fine, but
>no AGA machine (which I consider medium to high-end) should come with anything
>less than a full-blown version of its respectable CPU.

Personally I feel that the more Zorro III machines with CPU modularity that
are released, the better. An A4000/EC030 would open up many prospects for
third-party development.
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:36:56 GMT

In <C1FJ0n.E07@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>tower models obviously would not fill that hole.  Commodore basically needs
>to introduce a new 'A1200' with '030 and detached keyboard, and not more
>A4000s, if they want to fill that gaping hole in their product line.

You don't even know how much the A4000/EC030 costs but you find that
there is a 'gaping hole'......

Must be some really big hole.. must be.

Regards,
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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:47:56 GMT
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In article <1jqltsINN7f9@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>up.  The reason the SuperSPARC's came to mind was their relative ease
>in setting up a parallel architecture.  I could be wrong, but I didn't
>think the Alpha "lent" itself to parallel architectures.

I've heard stories of people pulling OUT processor boards to speed the
computer up (SPARC).  Oops, back to the drawing board....

>:   The SPARC is to the RISC world as Intel is to the CISC world.
>I think that's just a BIT of an exaggeration, personally.  :)

Yeah, really Evan, the 486 isn't -all- that bad....

The SPARC needs a good object-oriented backend -- small function calls with
lots of stack usage to really take advantage of the register windowing.
Some 3rd party SPARC chips are starting to get interesting, from what little
trickles down this way....

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: WANTED: info on ftp addresses for Fred Fish disks
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:51:22 GMT
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fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu wrote:
: In article <1993Jan23.153943.1@fnala.fnal.gov>, traynor@fnala.fnal.gov writes:
: > Hello,
: > 
: > Could someone provide me with ftp addresses such that I could download
: > recent and/or old Fred Fish disks?  I would very much appreciate it 
: > if replies could be directly via e-mail.  Thanks.

: 	Well out of shear laziness I'll post.   The three I like to use are:

: 	wuarchive.wustl.edu
: 	isca02.isca.uiowa.edu
: 	ux1.cso.uiuc.edu

I think grind.isca.uiowa.edu (or something like that) has all the fish disks

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:44:28 GMT

In article <1jkvsvINN9jn@cobra.cs.ubc.ca> mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.193328.3688@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>>To delete nested directories:
>>  cd into each and every subdirectory and delete all
>>the files. If you have directories half a dozen deep
>>and with a mixture of about a dozen files and directories
>>in each level, it can take a _long_ time. Note also it
>>is an labour intensive, frustrating time, not just 
>>waiting.
>
>True.  A couple of things to note, however:
>  1) this deficiency is easy to fix with third
>	 party programs.  If you need it, I'll uuencode
>	 and mail you a <5K program called deldir to do
>	 this.

That doesn't help most users, who aren't aware of, and don't know how to find,
PD utilities.  They'll do things the labourious way because they know no other.

>  2) Windows NT's delete command has an option to
>	 delete recursively.

That doesn't help many people, either.

>I'm afraid that the vast majority of DOS users are more concerned with 
>backwards compabitility than features.  Why DOS is still primitive can 
>be debated endlessly, but keep in mind that alternatives exist: 
>including OS/2 (available since what, 1987?) and various varieties of 
>Unix.   If people cared about better features in their OS they'd
>buy these other products.  If Microsoft didn't work so hard to
>remain backwards compatible, their users would be more upset than
>they are with the lack of features.

I don't see that improving the delete command (and, while they're at it,
rename and copy, which could be merged with xcopy) and fixing the abort,
retry, fail thing needs to affect compatibility.  Besides, they've never
worried about compatibility between different versions of backup, which is
yet another annoying thing with DOS.


>stephan();


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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:06:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.182554.2261@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>OK, but that only fixes the cd command.  What about the others?  Also, on

To fix the others you can get a replacement shell:  csh, ksh, wshell, etc.
The "Shell" in AmigaDOS is nice, but as with all things, it has room
for improvement.  I usualy have an AmigaDOS shell and a csh open on my
WB and use the features in each.  Can you use other shells with Windows3.1?

[everything is braindead]

You can easily change things on both unix and AmigaDOS (isn't there an
AmigaDOS shell for unix somewhere?) is it possible to easily configure
things the same with DOS?

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From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:58:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.171744.19337@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>  
tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>the February issue of Byte offers a review of the Falcon in the article  
>entitled "Falcon030 Leads the Pack" (p. 58).
It was at Comdex in November.  Nobody knew about it, since the only one I saw  
was at the Motorolla booth, and it was sitting right next to an A4000.  I don't  
think we have too much to worry about, gang.  It doesn't appear to me that I  
have ever *seen* anyone with an Atarii computer since 1989, and that guy sold  
it to help pay for a MIDI keyboard.
-Joe Solinsky
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From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:15:42 GMT

In article <10583@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.224410.1853@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>In article <1jn457INNko0@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>>How much does it cost, you ask?
>>>
>>>For a few hundred bucks, you can get your engine converted to natural
>>>gas.  Less air pollution, cheaper than gasoline.
>
>You still have that carbon dioxide which causes the climate catastrophe.
>When remebering the last few years, the climate definitely has changed
>already. We hardly have winters here anymore, like we had 15 or 20 years
>ago. Thus also electricity is no solution either, as you have to produce
>it in powerstations that a) produce masses of carbon dioxide either, or
>b) are nuclear and will transform the whole world into Tchernobyl area
>earlier or later.

Yeah, yeah, everythign was better, tougher etc. before.
Give me som statistics pleae!!!!!
I still remeber back around 1980 somewhere when we didn't have snow up here 
until the 25th of December (heck I'm only 20, can't expect me to remember details
of such things any farther back than that?), and I live in North-Norway
(er... actually at the coast where we have quite warm winters for being 69
degrees North, but anyway..).

Well, this year we almost got a new record in snow depth here in early November.
We had more than 60cm which was second only to a VERY old reckord of more than
80cm. Heck, and it's so cold here right now that I'll probably get a modem real
quick so I don't need to freeze my balls of every morning to get to the
University.

And, yeah, the summer is as bad as they've always been.
Nope I don't think that you'll find any changes yet that couldn't be described 
as unnatural.

Writing at the Northernmost University in the world (or said to be so),
Terje Marthinussen


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From: baltzebw@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Bruce W. Baltzer)
Subject: Re: The volume of traffic here is quite incredible!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:41:47 GMT
Organization: tuns.ca

zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

>Barry McConnell (bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie) wrote:
>: In <1993Jan20.043249.13068@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

>: >Well, that's kinda easy cuz anything is better than nn...

>: Well, not quite anything. Have you tried NEWS on a VAX/VMS system recently?
>: ;-)

>: >Try tin...

>: We don't have access to anything other than nn over here. Is it just a
>: matter of getting a rn or tin binary and running it?

>Actually, getting the source, compiling it, and _then_ running it...

am i really missing something?  i used rn, and hated it.  so i switched to
nn, and prefer it by far.  what do these other news readers offer?
thanks,
bruce

>: Barry.

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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Byte's Amiga 4000 review...
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:51:24 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1993Jan13.144206.14110@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>In article <1993Jan13.113202.25590@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>>In article 22023@ra.msstate.edu, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>> In article <1993Jan12.215326.20302@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>> >Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
>>
>>> Come back if and when an Amiga emulator is available.
>>
>>Exactly! My guess is that they will never get one.
>
>Exactly!  Do you know why there won't be one?  NO DEMAND!!  

HAH!  About 2 years ago, somebody released a joke "Amiga Emulator" for
PeeCee's and the intrest was phenomonal!

Even still comp.sys.amiga.emulations gets requests from some
Amiga-wanna-be PC-owner crying "...I get the hand asking for
a Workbench disk, but nothing happens when I put in the disk
I spent hours building...".  Poor dude.  Feel sorry for 'em.
That emulator was a cruel (but revealing) joke.

There's interest... lots of it.  And why wouldn't there be?

Who wouldn't jump at the chance to take some piece of junk you
always thought ws a mistake to buy and actually have it emulate
a real creative tool?

God, I'm glad I bought two.  Two?  Yeah, the kids love it
so much, had to get another.  And they've played games on
all kinds of computers at their schools.

They don't know bits from buckets, but even the uninformed
can see the obvious.
From: c1a192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Oliver Erik Seiler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advocate please...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:32:27 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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How about just:

#include <stdio.h>

void main()
{
   printf("Hello, World!\n");
}

The last time I tried that it worked...

-Oliver
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