HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 01:59:44 GMT


In article <1992Oct11.010526.6589@cis.ohio-state.edu>
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>perhaps the young man could be counseled to lie back 

as opposed to lying low, I suppose

>and think of
>madonna.  or if he's still looking for my donna, he could just wave
>his beautiful hair and SI-I-ING!

what a silly boy you are!

>Gluecklich ist, wer vergisst,
>Was doch nicht zu aendern ist.

Ain't *that* the truth, Ruth!
[Happy is the person who forgets
 What cannot indeed be changed.]

>arnold (quoting perhaps imperfectly, having a good memory for
>melodies but a rather imperfect one for words - yes,
>an odd profile for a linguist, but there it is)

Dear man, you always remember the ones that count, there's
ample evidence fo that, so you need not worry one little
bit.

And speedy recovery, I hope, from your recent illness.

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From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:20:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct11.071007.1674@spdcc.com> <1992Oct11.221345.26884@seq.uncwil.edu>
  <1992Oct12.024836.9945@spdcc.com> <1992Oct13.125644.17945@seq.uncwil.edu>

David Rollins talks to Steve Dyer, but forgets his attributions,
for which the net Gods will surely make him fry:

>It is obvious to me that ONLY YOUR OPINION COUNTS. I will not debase
>myself by telling you to "Go Fuck Yourself," as you have so directly
>addressed me.

David, Steve is a born debater.  If you don't want to argue with him,
there's no point in replying to him at all.

>I don't know you. I don't love you. I don't want to meet you. I don't
>even want to get close enough to you where I would even consider
>wanting to fuck you. If you are as ugly as your attitude, I doubt that
>anybody does.

Mama mia!  Now David, if you don't start being a little more respectful
of your elders, none of the older boys are going to want to fuck you,
either.

>You're proving more in each response that you are the asshole I
>observed. There's no need to reply. Take a look in the mirror and
>see if you really like yourself.

Puhleeeeze.  "No need to reply."  Yuk!  If you don't want a reply,
don't post.  Period.

>I am sure that there are many, like myself, who read this newsgroup but
>do not follow-up because they do not want to enter the fray which
>no-nothing-know-it-alls like you commandeer.

You mean, of course, "KNOW-nothing-know-it-alls".  But David, all it
takes to prevent someone from "commandeering" the newsgroup is for *you*
to put your two cents worth in and fight for your point of view.

>...and if my phrase, fag-rhetoric, offends anyone, that's too bad
>because that's what it is. It is an abundance of whining about why
>"nobody likes me 'cause I'm gay." It's ridiculous and stupid and
>immature, and you, Steve, help to perpetuate this farce of life by
>ranting on the very people you espouse to care about.

You mean like Donald's raging on that no one likes him because he's
black and gay?  Your phrase doesn't offend me because it's just two
words you jammed together with no particular relevance or significance.
Do you intend for it to stand for a style of speaking, or does it refer
to a particular type of subject matter, or a particular way of talking
about a particular subject, or what?  If you're going to coin a phrase,
at least define it for us.

>David Rollins                 |  I OWN A COMMODORE/AMIGA 2000.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Me, too.  Got any hot HAM in your drawers?  ;-)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:59:26 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


I'm just wondering how many people who are upset at Donald's
expressions of rage at whites are familiar with the feelings
described in Queers Read This.

(The specific problem of physical assault isn't what I'm talking
about now, just the expression of that bitterness.)


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: schiles@us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The Rainbow Flag
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:50:06 GMT
Reply-To: schiles@us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corp.:  Office Automation Division
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

This morning's San Francisco Chronicle contained an article announcing
that the S.F. Library Board had OKed the Gay Flag.  This news makes me
happy, so happy in fact that I typed it in (without permission) to post
here.  As I typed, though, a sadness came over me.  I began to think of
all the cities and towns where similar decisions could not and would not
be made.  I began to think what will happen if Ballot Measure 9 passes
in my former home of Portland, Oregon.  I thought of how we will all
have to fight battles like this over and over again.
  
So, here is the article, reprinted without permission.  All typos and
misspellings are mine.

+++ San Francisco Chronicle  Wednesday, October 7, 1992++++++

Brushing back a challenge by fundamentalist religious groups, the San
Francisco Library Commission reaffirmed its right yesterday to display
the gay "rainbow" flag over the Eureka Valley-Harvey Milk memorial branch
on 16th Street in the Castro area.

By a 6-to-1 vote, the commisssion resolution declared that the display of
the multicolored striped flag was an expression of civic "government
free speech" and a recognition that "branch libraries belong to the 
communities they serve," said library Commissioner Dale Carlson.

A fundamentalist group calling itself the San Francisco Christian Coalition
had argued that flying the rainbow flag on a flagpole amounted to "special
treatment" for lesbians and gays and a "promotion of the gay lifestyle."

A nationwide letter-writing campaign, including letters postmarked from 
Chicago, Bellevue, Wash., and Portland, Ore., had bombarded Mayor Frank
Jordan with complaints about the "sodomite" and "flaggot" banner.

More than 100 people packed the Louis Lurie Room in the Main Library for 
the emotional hour-long hearing, which was punctuated by angry audience
shouts against the handful of anti-flag speakers.

"Think of the rainbow," said rainbow flag creator Gilbert Baker, a Vietnam
War veteral and friend of the late San Francisco supervisor and gay leader    
Harvey Milk.  "It depicts something natural and complete, all the colors.
It's a symbol of the tolerance and diversity of San Francisco."

In addition to citing the city's traditional embrace of all groups and 
communities, the commissioners relies upon the city attorney's opinion
that the library department has "exclusive authority" to display whatever
symbols it wishes at its branch facilities.






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From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:16:12 GMT

This story sounds much like others posted here by other people who have had
problems when people found out about there sexuality. I'm not sure how much
is racism and how much is homophobia, but most people here have experienced
atleast some of this over there sexuality. 

Complaints about white male dominance:
 The only way to fix this is to get more non whites and non males on
 soc.motss. Don't blame me for being white and male its no more a choice
 than being queer (well there are sex change operations but....). If you
 want more topics of interest to you, you have to start them, how can
 I know what your concerns are? 



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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: priapic Jess
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:54:11 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct16.205104.16566@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>(Completely private aside to Dr. Dyer: does ibuprofen have
> a known side effect of causing persisting erections in men?
> I'm taking 1800 mg/day.)

It would be an idiosyncratic reaction, as best I know.  There is an
antidepressant, trazodone (Desyrel), which sometimes causes such a side
effect, sometimes to frank priapism, which is a medical emergency, and
quite undesirable.  Surgical intervention is required, often resulting
in permanent residual impotence.  Individuals have died from clots
travelling from the corpus cavernosum to the lungs or brain.  Even
though the risk of priapism is small, this drug is not very popular
to use in most men for this reason.  Most other occasions of priapism
are secondary to certain organic diseases (e.g., polycythemia vera,
an overproduction of red blood cells, sickle cell disease.)

If this was made in jest, I suggest you read Melmon's latest articles
to help you get over your condition.  If you're serious, it would be best
to check with your doctor sooner than later.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:14:08 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <tdober-161092185236@toberkamper.llnl.gov>
tdober@llnl.gov (TDO) writes:

>Perhaps it's just my faulty memory, but I can't recall FJ!! ever having
>been flamed...

There's absolutely no point.  The Dutch are not nearly
pervious enough to such blandishments.

Great coffee and *very* cute men, though.

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Something fishy here in Oregon
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:23:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.093954.11918@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
> Guess two gay lives could never match up with one straigh life
> much less than that of a state trouper.

  In things police, any cop is worth ten times more than *any*
civilian. Beyond that, I'm sure they have another set of priorities...
-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:28:05 GMT

Madonna and Dietrich are icons? Wow. Which program?

John, faux-geeky

--
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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealousy?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:56:03 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Oct13.165000.16158@HQ.Ileaf.COM> jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T.  
Kittredge) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.150833.1880@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)  
writes:
> >In article <1992Oct7.000405.26583@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve  
Dyer) writes:
> >> I also haven't ever been in a situation where
> >> I would feel very jealous.  Maybe I just need more experience.
> >
> >Well, maybe something can be arranged... Tony *is* an attractive man...  
:-)
> 
> Easier said than done, Dear Robert. Some of us have *tried*.
> Yours, JonTom

Umm.... not that *I* know of...

Perhaps you might refresh my memory? (i.e. who are you, and where do I  
know you from?)

-Anthony
Xref: sparky soc.motss:42939 soc.bi:13691
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: National Coming Out Day
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley])
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:37:01 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>    Plus there's the teeny-tiny trouble that I'm fighting to keep myself
> above a Kinsey 0 :-(

which kinsey 0 would that be, now??
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Keywords: exotic fruits
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:16:51 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Robert Coren (coren@osf.org), trying
to, um, slip in a fast one, wrote:
 
> Robert (who has no fashion sense to speak of)

I thought mangos were very in this year.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Ella (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: hands off that queer card! 
Organization: sweet and piquant penguins
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:57:49 GMT

in article <73392@apple.apple.com> richard@apple.com (everybody's
squirrel friend) admits:

 >I've tried to find similiar (emotional) movement in opera but can't seem
 >to.  Please don't tell me I have to turn in my Queer Card.

what *is* the world coming to?  if the squirrel's card goes, none of us
is safe.  not even wendyt or fwa.

we must stop these senseless entrance exams.  now.

save our squirrel.  have a Week Without Opera.  do something
squirrelesque, like playing billie and etta and sarah and ella.  get a
sense of what other people's lives are like.  then go back to
_wozzeck_ and _salome_ (or _la favola d'orfeo_ and _idomeneo_,
whatever) with a fresh take on living queer.  open yourself up to the
big wide world of queerness.  take it all in.  be generous.

and don't touch those queer cards.

arnold, speaking for Us All
From: roy@panix.com (Roy Radow)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Request info on support groups...
Keywords: support groups
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:13:33 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct12.232600.10945@umr.edu> sschroe@next9.cs.umr.edu (Scott Schroeder) writes:

>I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I need  
>information about gay/bi/les supports groups in Missouri.  If e-mail  
>addresses are available I would appreciate you sending them to me.

Scott,

The Gayellow Pages has pages of organizations in all parts of
Missouri. Below is a sample of the listing.

Missouri Lesbian & Gay Political Caucus, c/o GALA, A022 Brady Commons,
Univ of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211  (314) 882 3327

Gay & Lesbian Student Association, Southeast Missouri State University, 
SG Office, 2nd fir UC, 63701  651 2996

Gay & Lesbian Helpline  449 4477

Phoenix Books, 317 Westport Road, Kansas City 64111  931 5794

Gay & Lesbian Parents Coalition/GALA, 6241 Blue Ridge Blvd, 64133-4107
356 9589

Parents FLAG, 7443 Cromwell Dr, St Louis 63105  821 3524

Gay Talk (Switchboard) 931 4470  5pm - 1am

Bargain Books, 3010 N Hwy 94, St. Charles 63301  723 9598 or 800
834 4127.

Our World Too, 11 So Vandeventer, St. Louis 63108  314 533 5322

Left Bank Books, 399 North Euclid, St Louis 63108  314 367 6731

Renaissance Books, 1337 East Montclair, Springfield 65804  883 5161

Sunshine News, 3537 W Sunshine, Springfield 65807  831 2298

Gay & Lesbian Community Alliance, 1 Brookings Drive, Campus Box 1128,
Washington University 63130   935 5349

Challenge Metro (Switchboard)  367 0084  7pm - 10pm

Hope that these are useful. You are not alone.

Yours in Liberation,

Roy



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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: 100 years of homosexuality
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:43:26 GMT

In article <coolidge@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn
McManus) writes:
>stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>>A book review of a Walt Whitman biography in the NYT reports the word
>>"homosexuality" was added to the English language 100 years ago this year.

>How can they tell?

They can't; earlier citations have been noted.  But what does "added to
the English language" mean?



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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: amnesia
Keywords: amnesia, science fiction
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:55:46 GMT


In article <rick.718896173@pegasus> rick@siemens.com.  (Rick
Taft) writes:

>I can't remember the title or author and I don't have the
>book here at work.  It involves someone with amnesia and
>[...]

I know I'm perverse, but this made me giggle.

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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Gay Paris
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:29:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <73389@apple.Apple.COM>, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
wrote:

> Why yes!  I walked into one named "Credit Lyonnais", one of the larger
> ones in France.  Since I planned on living there awhile, I opened an
> account.  They even gave me this pretty (are you listening, Matthew?)
> gold credit card.  And they sent me statements in French!  Wow!

Mais, bien sur, mon bon ami (e?).  Eh aahhm alwayz leestening for
youhhhr pleasante voy-ce.

Another gold credit card (oops, a gold one in *addition* to your 
platinum one) - How do you say in America - oohhh la la...  (which
reminds me of Jason Priestly, which reminds me I'm stepping out
with *another* motsser tomorrow for lunch, you wicked thing you...
Did I mention - I *want* Jason Priestly.  I thought this was a
society of instant gratification?  Well, where *is* he?)

And I'm reminded of something else:  our French evangalist, who,
in a meating (sic) to disuss IBM support (not as in Jock Strap -
as in French Torture by Jaque To Tite - I *love random associations), he
asked, and I kid you not:

   How do you say in English, I think we can 'cough?' up - yes?
   cough up the money?  In French, we say "To spit."

And he has a *wonderful* accent.  It was *perfect*  And so is
Jason Priestly - did I mention I *want* him RIGHT NOW and he
ISN'T HERE!

(oohhh, the pillow's gonna get it tonight...)

Melmothra, ACC
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Unwritten Law
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:10:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Oct14.221046.6087
Organization: (getting there)

norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

 >My 'activity' for NCOD was to tell my mother about my relationship
 >with my partner.

 >I came out to her about five years ago, while I was getting out of an
 >unhappy marriage.  Although she has a M.S. in clinical psycology,
 >she was sure I was "going through a stage" and she really didn't want
 >to talk about it.

 >Until Sunday, I pretty much honored her wish.  During a phone conversation,
 >I told her that I considered my "boyfriend" and his kids to be my family,
 >and that I was happier now than I have ever been.  She raised concerns
 >about the kids "learning to be gay" and my relationship with them taking
 >time from my "real family" (her) and other such trash before she came to
 >the root of the problem:  she thought it was a sin.

I have commented on this to Jeff in email (or rather, he to me)-- it
is really appalling to me to think of someone educated in
psychology, of all things, holding such attitudes.  

 >I gave up trying to reason with her after two hours when I realized that
 >there was no way she would change her mind.  The scariest part was the
 >knowledge that probably a majority of people would agree with her.

It's a little off the subject of this thread, but one near and dear
to my heart:  There are psychotherapists who do *not* have attitudes
like these.  If you are looking for or working with a therapist (and
there's no particular reason why you should or should not be doing
that), do yourself a favor and pay close attention to what the
therapist's attitudes are about sexualities, the gay communities,
families, and anything else you think might be affected.  If your
therapist can't deal with these issues, find someone who can.  Get a
referral from a glb or glb-friendly source.  


 >And besides, *my* family is much more functional than my 
 >mother's ever was!
This probably explains a lot.
 
 >-jeff [who is quickly getting over the funk he was feeling 
 >Sunday night.]
Mara [who is glad to hear it]
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: OCA liability
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:18:55 GMT

entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:

>Is there any possibility that the OCA can be held accountable for the
>hate crimes resulting from there campaign in Oregon? 
They would have to explicitly encourage violence against Queers.
>Is there any precident for this? For example has a black person ever
>collected damages from the KKK for hate crimes?
Yes, that is what Morris Dees's Klanwatch Project does. He has been successful
in getting multimillion-dollar judgements versus KKK/WAR/Metzger-affiliated
groups.

>BTW-
> Please give the Boston Globe a call at 1-800-622-6631 and ask them to
> start reporting on the events in Oregon.
Anyone have 800 numbers for the New York Times, Washington Post or Los Angeles
Times?

-- 
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:47:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct11.194724.7865
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Oct11.174227.15971@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>This reminds me of this german word I heard (and can't remember :-()
>which translated to "the glee that a person takes in another's misfortune".

Shadenfreude? I thought it was Yiddish, actually, but my lack of
knowledge of Yiddish doesn't allow me to guess. I'm sure some motsser
will correct me soon enough :-)
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