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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Subject: Re: Shaq's impact
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:35:39 GMT


Shaq sucks and Dale Brown cant coach. Both are equally true statements :)
(think about that)

I suppose Michael Jordan was a failure for his first what?? 8 or 9 years
in the NBA because his team didnt win a championship? He didnt have any good
players on his team did he? Or was it that chicago'c coach couldn't coach?

No doubt about it, Shaq is overrated and Dale Brown cant coach.

pinhead, aka Mr. Sarcasm

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: The Two Trades
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  9 Sep 92 21:43:01 GMT

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

> Immel was kind of an enigma, had a rep as a shooter but it seemed 
> like every other jumper was either an airball or a brick, a local 
> sportscaster once described him as "sort of a power guard".

Immel still plays pickup at UCLA and has incredible range.  I always
thought Dave was undeservedly hated by the UCLA fans after the 'SC
game in Pauley his sophomore(?) year.  It was near the end of overtime 
and the game was tied (or maybe 'SC was ahead).  Someone from UCLA jacked 
up an ill-advised shot (some things don't change) and USC got the 
rebound and started setting up for the last shot (or maybe stalling).
Anyhow, Immel stole the ball and was fouled.  He then missed the free
throws, and 'SC won.

Immel was the goat of the game, in spite of having made the steal that
really gave the team a chance in the first place.  I always thought
that was grossly unfair of the fans.
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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting Update
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:40:41 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC


Jeff Sheppard (6-3 2G) has (or should that word be "was")committed 
to Kentucky. I saw this kid at NIKE and Kentucky fans are going to 
like this kid a lot. The kid is from Atlanta, GA. He chose KU over 
Vanderbilt, Florida, and Georgia. Additionally, Rodney Dent has 
passed his last required course and will enroll this fall.


John Thomas (6-9 C) from Minneapolis, MN committed to U. of 
Minnesota. He was also at NIKE but I don't recall seeing him. He 
chose Minnesota over Virginia, Notre Dame, Kansas and Seton Hall.

Josh Hallatt (6-11 C) Switz City, IN committed to Indiana State.

Jess Cravens (6-7 P/WF) San Antonio, TX has committed to Rice U.
This kid had a 51-pt game in the 17-Under AAU National Tournament 
in Winston-Salem, NC

Jay Larranga (6-5 G/F) of Toledo, OH has committed to Bowling Green 
where it just so happens his father coaches.

Brian Wolf (6-6 WF) of Youngstown, OH has given a verbal committment
to Cincinnati.

Jaha Wilson (6-6 WF) of San Fransisco is going to sign with USC.

I won't bother talking about Randy Livingston committing to LSU other
than to say that this was a pretty big blow to ACC recruiting. 
He, along with Jerry Stackhouse, were to be the crown jewels of an
outstanding recruiting year for the ACC. (You don't here the Dookies
crying to loud though. They'll be quite happy with Capel and Newton)


Now, you can get back to your regularly scheduled woofing.

SOURCE: Bob Gibbons

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Louisville/Kentucky Schedules?
Date: 7 Sep 1992 00:51:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Could someone mail me a copy of Louisville/Kentucky's schedules?  Thanks.

Mike
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:41:38 GMT

In article <67998@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
|> In article <BuEDyI.LH5@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
|> >ing In article <BuDJoJ.MGG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
|> >>	I'm interested in obtainning the following info.  Here goes:
|> >>	-- The top 10 scorers in NCAA History
|> >All Time NCAA Division I scoring leaders (through 1990-1991, includes
|> >regular season and tournament games.  Note last years' season not in
|> >this list ...)
|> 
|> Apparently Bob and I use the same book (Official 1992 NCAA Basketball)!
|> For those of you interested in getting it (the 1992 version was printed
|> in October of 1991, so we are close to the point where the 1993 edition
|> should be available), it costs $7.95 (add $3.00 if you want it mailed
|> first-class).  Write to:
|> 
|> 	NCAA Publishing		You can also call 913-339-1900 to place 
|> 	P. O. Box 7347		credit card orders (Visa/Mastercard).
|> 	Overland Park, Kansas
|> 	66207-0347


Actually I'm using the 1992 Information Please Sports Almanac.  You can
get it (bundled with the 1992 Information Please World Almanac) for
$7.95 at SAMS.  What a deal!

|> My almanac lists a Cameron University in Lawton, Oklahoma - it has about
|> 5000 students.  I've never heard of it as a Division I school, but maybe
|> it was, millions of years ago.  No clue regarding what Southern-B.R.
|> means...

If only I thought of looking at that "other" almanac that came with the
sports almanac :)


How many days till ACC basketball season begins?

-- 
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"Comme ci, comme ca" - George Bush to a 9 year old Hispanic kid in Harlem
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:24:28 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

>[Scoring] AVERAGE
>                   school             years      total pts.   avg. pts.
>Frank Selvy        Furman            1952-54        2538        32.5

OK, trivia fans.  "Frank Selvy" is the answer.  What's the question?



jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>
>>I've got the top 5 for pre- and post-1973.  (some b-ball history buff
>>(Dr. Burch?) care to exlain the significance of 1973 for those of us
>>that were still riding bikes with training wheels at the time?)

>Well, I *could* say that the NCAA chose 1973 since it marked the 
>beginning of the Dr. J Era (it was my freshman year in college) but
>I don't really think they had that in mind.  There were no major rule
>changes affecting rebounds that I am aware of in 1973.  I suspect they
>simply wanted to define a "modern" era, and somewhat arbitrarily picked
>1973 (which was 20 years prior to publication of their book.  Maybe 
>they liked round numbers).


I don't know.  Trent would say that 1973 was the final year of 
  THE GREATEST DOMINATION OF ANY SPORT KNOWN TO MANKIND(*)!

And you call yourself a college basketball fan.  Sheesh.

(*) except 1975, when a (brief) return appearance was made to silence 
    the skeptics.
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From: scotti@madworld.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott A. Vu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: U. Washington
Date: 9 Sep 1992 23:52:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: madworld
Keywords: recruits

How is UW basketball shaping up??
Anyone has any news on them, especially
the new recruits.
Incoming freshmen and mostly transfer.
Any info on them would be greatly app.

thanks
scvu-
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:23:20 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <67998@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <BuEDyI.LH5@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>>ing In article <BuDJoJ.MGG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>>	I'm interested in obtainning the following info.  Here goes:
>>>	-- The top 10 scorers in NCAA History
>>All Time NCAA Division I scoring leaders (through 1990-1991, includes
>>regular season and tournament games.  Note last years' season not in
>>this list ...)
>
>
>>>	-- The top 10 rebounders in nCAA history
>>
>>I've got the top 5 for pre- and post-1973.  (some b-ball history buff
>>(Dr. Burch?) care to exlain the significance of 1973 for those of us
>>that were still riding bikes with training wheels at the time?)
>
>Well, I *could* say that the NCAA chose 1973 since it marked the 
>beginning of the Dr. J Era (it was my freshman year in college) but
>I don't really think they had that in mind.  There were no major rule
>changes affecting rebounds that I am aware of in 1973.  I suspect they
>simply wanted to define a "modern" era, and somewhat arbitrarily picked
>1973 (which was 20 years prior to publication of their book.  Maybe 
>they liked round numbers).
>

I believe that this was the year that offensive rebounds started to be kept
as an official statistic.

						   The Rickster 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: The Sweet Sixteen...
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:30:17 GMT

In article <markts.716139742@mcl> markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark T. Schmidt)  
writes:
> Well, Duke fans are already making the rest of us sick with
> their boasting and predictions of the coming year's hoop
> season. So it must be time for the rest of us to put our
> necks on the line and try to make realistic predictions.
> (Although I sadly admit that the Duke predictions are not
> very unrealistic |()

Actually, the ones of us that do boast are still busy with the last
couple years of material.  Do I think that Duke can make the Final
Four?  Who cares, excepting my travel agent?

> So here it goes; practices have not yet begun, but that doesn't
> mean I have to wait before I make a fool of myself.

True...

> A blue demon 3-peat would make me sick.

Well, DePaul has not yet won even one, so a 3-peat would take some
time. I think you need to get your mascots straight.  Or maybe you're
not familiar with these East Coast teams yet because of the percentage
of West Coast posts since you started reading the net....

> UMASS

UMASS!!!, please.

> UNLV (JR Rider is a god! ... well, at least a lottery pick)

Yeah, we'll see.  Or at least have the chance to see this year
on the tube.  We'll see what happens to their program with a
different coaching style, recruiting method, and attitude toward
the program from the higher-ups there.  At least he has good hoops
initials.

> Syracuse

!!!
 
> Nebraska (a team that is going to shock the big 8 this year)

Nebraska hasn't been bad the last couple years in the Big 8.

> UC Santa Barbara (hey! i can dream. besides, i would feel stupid
>		  if my team made it this far and i did not pick 
>		  them...almost as stupid as i feel for picking them.
>		  well, every prediction needs a wild card, and the
>		  Gauchos are mine. the rest of you can go ahead and
>		  insert your team in this place if you like)
> let the REAL games begin...

How about let the real POSTS begin.  Maybe you should talk about
the Gauchos a little - we saw them a couple times on ESPN against
teams like NMSU.  Some good games, too.  How about a conference preview?
Rob gave us the ACC this past summer.  I know that Duke and UCSB both
gear their entire season towards preparing for the NCAA's, but perhaps
other schools don't have that attitude.

Something useful besides "My team is the grandest", perhaps, except
in the .sig, of course.  Maybe you can ask your sysadmin how to add
such a thing, if you so choose.  The worst that could happen would 
be, perhaps, "UCSB!!!" and maybe a trip to the Sweet Sixteen.  Hell,
it worked for UMASS!!! last year. 
  
> mark.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:33:07 GMT



With regard to rebounders being divided into before and after 1973,
when did the dunk become legal?  The dunk would certainly have an
effect on rebounds.
 
 
 
Mark
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UCLA News
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:16:09 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <56035@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> In article <21770@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> After reading your post regarding Arizona's freshman class, I am leaning
> towards Cal as my preseason favorite to win the Pac-10. I think Zona will
> need one more competent bigman to win it, and from what you wrote, Bohannon
> and Blair might not be ready.

 I think you're right. But - there is a small outside chance that Flanagan
could surprise in the Pac next season... I wouldn't bet my house on it but
I can imagine a scenarion where the extra year picks up his confidence and
a shot here and there suddenly vault him into a status most people wouldn't
have expected...


			gln
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: LA Newspapers (was Re: UCLA News)
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:47:27
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
	<1992Sep8.235326.14617@cs.ucla.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu's message of 8 Sep 92 23:53:26 GMT

>>>>> "Trent" == Trent Lange <lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu> writes:

  Trent> In article <21770@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
	[stuff deleted]
  Trent> Big surprise here -- the Tucson papers having more information on UCLA
  Trent> basketball than the LA "But we gave them a blurb!" Times...

Two words:
Tucson, Arizona

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:46:18 GMT

>jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>>
>>>I've got the top 5 for pre- and post-1973.  (some b-ball history buff
>>>(Dr. Burch?) care to exlain the significance of 1973 for those of us
>>>that were still riding bikes with training wheels at the time?)
>
>>Well, I *could* say that the NCAA chose 1973 since it marked the 
>>beginning of the Dr. J Era (it was my freshman year in college) but
>>I don't really think they had that in mind.  There were no major rule
>>changes affecting rebounds that I am aware of in 1973.  I suspect they
>>simply wanted to define a "modern" era, and somewhat arbitrarily picked
>>1973 (which was 20 years prior to publication of their book.  Maybe 
>>they liked round numbers).
>
>

Hmm,  Wouldn't that be the year that freshmen became eligible for competition?

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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UCLA News
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:56:04 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep8.212305.20989@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
> Way down if Cal is a favorite. I expect Harmon to be an exciting place
> this season, but there will probably be some real disasters on the 
> road. 


 I think this will be the general theme of things this season in the Pac. I
really can't see any team playing strong enough on the road to do any
better than say 3 losses on the road. I expect Cal, UCLA, Arizona, OSU, 
to be very tough at home. 



			gln

> 
> Ken B. 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson)
Subject: Re: UCLA News
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:22:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.001429.15981@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>In article <56036@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>
>>I guess I am thinking this, Cal's starting 5 could be as good on paper as
>>anybody else in the conference(maybe better). I thought Zona had a great
>>class, but Gary seems to indicate they're real raw at this point. Oregon
>>State has talent too, and UCLA won't drop out of the picture completely
>>but at this point, Cal might be as good as anybody in the conference.
>
>Not a chance.  Cal will be third in the conference this year, at best.
>They're all too raw.  Well, okay, maybe second.  You never know if
>aRiZonA will its patented end of the season el-foldo early, rather
>than just in the NCAA tournament.
>

Unlike the Bruins whose patented end of the season slide is as 
predictable as LA smog.  

>And here's the inside scoop:  all this stuff about UCLA "being down"
>this year is just a bunch of pipe-dreams by all the Bruin wannabes.
>
>I've said it before, and I'll say it again:  Richard Petruska is the
>Real Thing.  Watch for him as one of the strongest centers not only
>in the conference, but in the entire country this year.
>
>The Bruins may take a little time to gel again without MacLean and
>Murray -- but less than one might think, thanks to the European tour.

Yup, these two were the glue that held them together with unselfish
play that made everyone better.  Madkins and Martin will be missed
at least as much.

>
>And after that, the "conference race" is all over...
>
>- Trent E. Lange
>
>-- 
>*************************************************************************
>*   UCLA:  The Greatest School in the History of College Basketball.    *
>*************************************************************************


Greg T.  
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: Necessity of a Big Man
Originator: tjehl@sedona
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:39:34 GMT


In article <18lk2mINNh1c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
> 
> Despite the decline of the overwhelming necessity for a big-man in the
> center, he still seems to be a common element on recent championship teams.
> Duke's Lettner is not the greatest ever but he did have the ability to shake
> things up down low.  Can anyone think of a team within the past decade or
> so (Say, since 1980) that won the championship without strength in the middle?
> Can a three-guard offense carry a team to the championship?
> 
   Indiana's last championship was won without the traditional "Big Man".

TJ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith (Purdue? Wisconsin?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:00:48 GMT

sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>Robert Clough says he's slow and immobile.  Jazzy J says he's cat
>quick.  Which is it?

	Well, to clear this all up -- let me give U where I got my info
	from.  I was watching a TV special on WGN one day, and they were
	showing all sorts of clips from the King basketball team.  They
	were showing mainly Rashard Griffith, and from the clips I saw,
	he was driving and dunking, blocking some shots, and running the
	floor rather well.  However, they were also showing his teammate
	Thomas Hamilton (who at 7'4", 300 lbs, is definitely a stiff) --
	and highlights of him rebounding, and shooting a 3-pter (!!!).
	Perhaps my perceptions of Griffith being mobile were skewed by my
	witnessing Hamilton's stiffness.  But, from what I've seen, he
	does seem to have at least some agility...

	Jazzy J
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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Necessity of a Big Man
Date: 9 Sep 1992 16:44:57 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <18lk2mINNh1c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
|
|things up down low.  Can anyone think of a team within the past decade or
|so (Say, since 1980) that won the championship without strength in the middle?
|
Well, there's always the team that won the greatest game ever to be played...

Ed Pinckney     6'9" - skinny, all muscle
Dwayne McLain   6'6" - medium build
Harold Pressley 6'7" - strong

Rick
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: Valvano card (followup post)
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:57:23 GMT


This is a repost to mention that I am collecting get well wishes (via email)
from rsbc to forward to Jimmy V. For those who are unaware, Coach V has cancer
along his spine. He reportedly enjoys cards and I thought that a rsbc card would
be a nice gesture esp. given the diversity of this group. Email your "cards" to 
me and I will forward them via US mail in a compiled version. Thanks to those 
who have already sent in their cards.

RC
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Need UMass Minutemen Schedule !!!!!!
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:38:48 GMT


Could someone post the schedule for UMass Minutemen for the upcoming
92-93 season. Or send me email at: rajain@ecs.umass.edu


		Thanks,

			Rajat. 
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