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From: "Perry L. Geib" <p00164@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Raspberry beer?
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:23:36 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

In article <1993Jan19.061844.4815@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> (Daniel L Bayer)

> They are called Lambics and are brewed beer which has had fruit juices and 
> (presumably) sugar added to them. The juices and beer then ferment. The most 
> prevalent flavors are Raspberry (framboise);  cherry (kriek);  and peach  
> (peche).  A famous exported of Lambics is Lindemann.}  I think proper 
> ettiquette dictates that Mambics be served like champagne,  i.e. in a flute 
> glass.  The flavor is quite delicate.  Dan.

Just to clear things up a bit. A Lambic is a Beligian wheat beer 
produced in south-west Brussels in the Senne River valley.  The beer is made
from a mash which uses 60-70% malted barley and 30-40% unmalted wheat.
The wort is spontaneously fermented by airborne wild yeasts (Brettanomyces
bruxellensis and Brettanomyces cambicus) and bacteria (Saccharomyces 
bayanus and Saccharomyces cervisiae and lactobacilli). This is the only area 
in the world that this method of fermentation is used. The term lambic was 
defined by royal decree to mean a beer that must be spontaneously fermented 
of wort containing at least 30% wheat.

There are a number of different types of Lambics produced including:
Young (or Foxy), Gueuze (blend of young and old), Faro (a blend sweetened
with sugar), Kriek (traditionally cherries), Framboise (cherries), and other
fruit flavors. Lindemans produces a rather sweet variety of Lambics for
export (probably for domestic sale as well). A more authentic Lambic is
Timmermans which is more acidic.  As you can see Kriek and Framboise are
Lambics but they do not define the style completely. An authentic Lambic is 
sour and takes a while to get used to drinking.  Last years AHA conference
featured a session of Lambic tastings. Some of the stuff was hard to drink.
This beer is not for the meek. Any authentic Belgium Lambic drinkers out 
there?

Perry
From: ratlifc@ctron.com (Christian A. Ratliff)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Canned Guiness
Keywords: Guiness, US, wanted
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: ratlifc@ctron.com


  Is there anywhere in the States that one can get canned draught  
Guiness? Having tried draught guiness at a local pub the bottle just  
doesn't taste the same. Is this a strictly Continental thing or are  
they exporting this? If so, where in New England could I aquire some?

  Thanks for any leads,
  Christian

--
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ratlifc@ctron.com  <NeXTmail OK>         Rochester, NH
"Why do you think they call it UNIX?"    Phone: (603) 337-1209
Nobody at Cabletron knows, approves of, or recalls my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: rwieler@ee.umanitoba.ca (wieler)
Subject: Re: McNally's Extra Ale at St. John's, Sunnyvale
Reply-To: rwieler@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:45:23 GMT

McNally's is actually brewed in Calgary, I believe by the Big Rock Brewing Co. 

They have two other beers,  Traditional Ale , and Pale Ale,  both of which are very
nice.  Unfortunatly I have not been able to try any on draught, just the bottled
variety.

cheers 
rich

Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
From: fred@mtl.mit.edu (Fred Trusell)
Subject: Re: Krausen? (Actually Sam Adams = bunch of loosers)
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:26:30 GMT

In article <1jkvte$at@agate.berkeley.edu> devine@olympus.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Devine) writes:
>: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:25:13 EST
>: From: chuck@synchro.com (Chuck Cox)
>: Subject: Subpoena
>: 
>: Well, I was served an interesting document the other day...
>: [subpoena from Boston Beer Co aka Sam Adams]
>
>Sounds like we need to have a Boston Beer Party in the same
>manner as the Boston Tea Party!  I don't think that BBC lawyers
>would like to see TV cameras capture the sight of beer drinkers
>tossing bottles of Sam Adams into Boston Harbor.
>
>Bob Devine

Please, there are enough toxins being dumped into the harbor as it is..

R.L.D.W.H.A.H.B.
From: green@ie.utoronto.ca (Marc Green)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Relative Beer Prices (Re: The price of Belgian ales)
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:41:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering

ericc@teal.csn.org (Eric Cloninger) writes:

>binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
>> 
>> As for cheap stuff that's actually good, check out Berghoff beer.
>> This is as cheap or cheaper than Bud, Coors, et al., but is a
>> decent beer- not great, mind you, but quite possibly the highest
>> quality:price ratio of any beer available in the U. S. of A.
>> Weinhardt's Ale is also good in this regard.
>> 
>> Jon Binkley
>> 
>Ditto on Berghoff. Especially the Bock. Weinhardts is good, too,
>but I know quite a few veteran beer drinkers that won't touch
>the ale.

>-- 
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>Eric Cloninger -- ericc@csn.org, ericc@telco.com, ericc@a.cs.okstate.edu
>System Integrators Inc., 9250 E. Costilla Ave, #400, Englewood, CO 80112
>              303/649-9481 Ext. 3147, 303/649-9493 (Fax)

Another excellent not-great-but-very-good-for-the-price beer is American
from Pittsburgh Brewing Co. It usually goes from $6.50-$8.00 a case. It was
a national brand a few years ago, but may be local to Pittsburgh now.

Marc Green
Trent University
From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: BEER SIDE-EFFECTS
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:42:54 GMT
Organization: American Cyanamid Company

One may become allergic to some product from the yeast.  I've experienced
the same respiratory effects on occasion.
	Another side effect I find is mild insomnia which happens with
wine as well.  Alcohol is known to disturb sleep, but for me it seems to
vary with the source, e.g.  beer is a little worse than wine; scotch doesn't
seem to do it at all.  Any thoughts?
--
Sanford Silverman                      >Opinions expressed here are my own<
American Cyanamid  
sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com     "Yeast is Best"
From: trice@brtph330 (Tony Rice P885)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Another Pub for the list
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:49:25 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research, RTP, NC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jonny the Z (zamick@inferno.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: 
: I noticed when reading the brewpub lists that not all the places
: listed brewed their own beers, some merely (as if its a minor boon =)
: provided fine beers, and a good atmosphere.

If you see a place that doesn't brew its own on the list.  Let me know.
I will remove it from the list.  The list is for true brewpubs, micros
and small breweries (the mega-brewers have been removed, no one cares
about them.)

: Since New Jersey does not allow places to brew their own beer I have
: decided to write up a fine bar which provides a good beer and what's
: more doesn't have a piece of yuppified faux marble anywhere.

This is news to me.  If that is true, then New Jersey will be removed from
the brewpub list.  Can someone backup this finding?

: So if somebody could please add this to whatever list it belongs on
: I'd be very pleased-

Someone mentioned keeping an "Alt.beer's official Cool Places to Drink
List" a couple months ago, haven't seen anything yet.

--
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Systems Development Environment Support      Research Triangle Park, NC
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From: ajr@holly.massima.com (Arnold J Rimmer)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: BEER SIDE-EFFECTS
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:58:32 GMT
Reply-To: ajr@holly.massima.com (Arnold J Rimmer)
Organization: Massima Consumer Products, North America
Division: Holographic Research and Development


>I hate to admit it, but I was recently reduced to drinking VERY
>CHEAP
>beer.  After drinking a few cans of stuff like Busch or Milwaukee's
>Best
>($1.50 per six pack at the local supermarket) I noticed an odd
>sensation.  It is a sort of tingling around the base of my tongue. 
>Is
>there some ingredient in cheap beer that would cause this?
>
>I have never experienced this when drinking more expensive beers,
>even
>standard American brews like Miller.

Don't really quite know the answer to that one...
However I have a mild allegeric reaction to beer.
Not quit enough to make me not enjoy a nice lager every
now and then, but a noticeable one though.   Whenever
I drink beer, my sinuses clog, then start to run, and
my eyes become puffy.  Had it for years.  Like I said,
never stopped my fondness for Canadian Lager...
I have also heard that some people can't drink beer at all
because of the reaction it has... Anyone knows what it
is I am allegeric to.. Is it the hops?  The Malt?
What?


					Arnold J Rimmer
					"The J stands for Just Mind
				         your own damn business!"
From: andys@bfield.uucp (Andy Schoenhofer)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Canadian Brews (was Re: Arctic Bay???)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:44:09 GMT
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

>All in all, from what I've experienced, the Canadian beers tend to have a bit
>more flavour, be a little darker and copious amouts of alcohol.   Maybe it's
>just blind patriotism...
>
>cheers!
>Alexei

If you ever get out to the Guelph area, I suggest you check out the Wellington
Brewery's beers.  They brew Real Ale for the most part and also have a stout
and County Lager, although the latter is pretty dark.  

It's available in the local beer stores in 1-litre PET bottles.

        Andy

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: rob@spencer.demon.co.uk (Robert Sadler)
Subject: Re: Z I M A! 
Distribution: world
Organization: What Organisation?
Reply-To: rob@spencer.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:28:30 +0000

This stuff sounds like the ideal for those suffering from Fear of
Flavour. (sometimes you wonder why these people dont just inject
alcohol).
--
Rob Sadler                                       rob@spencer.demon.co.uk
This item was brought to you by the letters R, O and B and the number 24.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jschklar@TrentU.CA (J)
Subject: Re: Homebrew and Farts!!!
Reply-To: jschklar@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:01:27 GMT

In article <1jl7qgINNk43@coral.bucknell.edu>, rose@bucknell.edu (philip rose `94) writes:
>Anyone had this problem?
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Phil Rose
>rose@coral.bucknell.edu


Friend,

     Definitely... I think it has something to do with all that yeast that
is still present in homebrew as opposed to the pasteurized crap... :)

Beans, Beans, Good for your Heart
The more you eat the more you fart
The more you fart the better you feel
So eat beans at every meal...

'nuff said
                                             ____________
Jason, from ... brrr ... Canada!            /  .   o | . \
email to      jschklar@trentu.ca           / .   `-O-|   .\
"Shake once and then watch Frosty         | .  .  ( )#  .  |
 play in his winter wonderland..."        |::::::::::::::::|
From: joho@pfbs.philips.se (Hans ter Horst)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Finnish beer in the S
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:18:39 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment BCFI AB, Sweden

I wouldn't know about the Finnish beer, but I agree with Ulf that Swedish
beer is undrinkable. Frankly, IMHO it tastes like piss. Even worse, all
beers brewed under license here in Sweden have that horrible taste. It must
be that stuff they put into the beer that makes you puke if you drink too
much of it. Honest to god, they put something into the beer over here that
makes you sick (oxalsyra), as if beer wouldn't be enough. I'm told that
they do this to prevent alcohol poisoning. (What I've seen of the Swedish
drinking habits, it's maybe a good idea ...)
Anyway, this Dutch (not deutsch) guy is glad they started selling Grolsch
(imported!) in Sweden.

/HH
--
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From: trouttm@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Market St. Oktoberfest style
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:23:53 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Hey, y'all!

Has anyone out there tried Market Street Oktoberfest beer (made in
Nashville, TN <what other state?> by Bohannon Brewing).

If so, tell me what you thought of it.  I think it's pretty good.

-Mike
From: jschmidt@oolong.Tymnet.COM (John Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Bud
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:04:47 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

There is a new demand for leeches, actually.

Before I started homebrewing, I drank a lot of Budweiser--it was cheap,
tasted good, and was great for a hot summer day.  Now that I have brewed
for a while, when I feel like having a very wheat lager, I drink--Bud.
It's cheap, tastes good, and is great on hot days.  Not to mention that
their quality control is such that it always tastes the same, and I 
have respect for that, as I can't do it with my beer, and Bud is too
thin to hide any mistakes.  "Thin" being light flavored and colored.

John
From: hennessy@acsu.buffalo.edu (DOG BASEBALL!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Finian's Rainbow, NYC..
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:01:15 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Information, Lower Volta.


	Went in the other day, and saw they had pitchers of Murphy's stout for
about $10, so I got one.  Kind of light, bittery, not nearly creamy as, say, a
Guinness.  Didn't like it, but I was told by a pal that accompanied me that it
usually isn't that wimpy.  The big problem with it was that it was thin (they
did NOT cut it with lighter beer), not nice and sludgy the way I prefer it.
Honestly, I'll stick with Guinness..
	PS: Pitchers of Bass ale @ Phebe's: $6
	    Pitchers of Crud, Crud lite " : $4 (for you lowbrau types 8)

	pps:  I'm rather late with this, but did anyone else see the beer
writeup in the NY Times?  So I won't be alone in having Guinness with my
steak!  8)


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dunl@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dude Man)
Subject: Re: Beer strength
Reply-To: dunl@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:00:57 GMT

In response to someone's "Minor nit" re: "it's brewed on December 6th each year
It's a Christmas beer." 

Remember :  December 6th is St. Nicholas' Day.




-- 
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dunl@midway.uchicago.edu    D U D E   M A N  	 make no sense."
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From: smirj@SunLab44.essex.ac.uk (Smith R J)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Raspberry Beer?
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:49:49 GMT
Organization: Well I *know* it's *somewhere*...
In-reply-to: rcc@zycor.lgc.com's message of 19 Jan 93 05:02:34 GMT


There is, according to hardened drinkers in my home area, 'a right aladdin's cave
knocking about'.. They sell the Trappist and various other Belgian beers, 
including Raspberry and Strawberry, I can't remember if there are any other
'fruity' beers.

hope this helps...

--

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THOUSAND YARD STARE - Probably the best band in the world.
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Get your HANDS ON them.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Baker)
Subject: Labels off with TSP
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: all
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:15:34 GMT

 In keeping with this subject, I would recommend using a fairly strong
TSP (trisodium phosphate) solution.  I use it to remove labels from beer
bottles, and with paper labels such as Guinness and Heinekin (sp?) they
just come off by themselves after a few minutes soak.  Dried between
paper towels, they stay fairly flat.  If it is a foil label (e.g. Miller
Lite longnecks) the label will come off, but it will not stay together.
btw, before playing with TSP get a nice pair of rubber gloves, it is quite
caustic (experience speaking :-) )

******************************************************************************* All animals are strictly dry, they sinless live and swiftly die.
But sinful, Ginful, beer soaked man survives three score years and ten
                                                -origin unknown-
*******************************************************************************
Edwin Sharp
esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Finger me often to see the amazing plan changer in action!

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg)
Subject: Investing in Beer
Reply-To: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
Organization: Inter-tel, Inc.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:54:23 GMT

     With the advent of the great number of microbreweries  popping up around
the United States, it appears that U.S.  beer preferences may be on the verge
of changing for the better.

     If you believe in this premise, what are  some  of  the  U.S.  companies
that you think would benefit?  (I am interested in  buying  stock  in some of
these companies.)  It seems that some of the small  and  medium  size brewies
such  as  Anchor  and  Boston  Beer Co.  would be obvious choices but I don't
believe either of them are publicly traded.

     If not brewers, then perhaps distributors are the  better  angle.  Since
distributors deal in so many different  products,  they  may  be  in the best
position to benefit  from  a  fundamental  change  in the U.S.  market.  This
could be due to the higher  margins  on  the  better  beers  and  the overall
increase  in  consumption  as people continue to switch over from liquor (and
wine to a lesser extent).

Greg Wohlenberg
wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
Xref: sparky alt.beer:8598 rec.crafts.brewing:8578
From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Krausen? (Actually Sam Adams = bunch of loosers)
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:25:04 GMT
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> Boston who had the nerve to associate the words "Boston" and "beer".

Gee all the Sam Adams we get down here seems to come from Pittsburg.

_Ron
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:28:41 EST
From: <JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Yuengling Porter
 <1993Jan23.170055.13534@msc.cornell.edu>

In article <1993Jan23.170055.13534@msc.cornell.edu>,
srussell@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Stephen Russell,147 Bard,54648,) says:
>
>From article <1jrn1bINNe52@coral.bucknell.edu>, by rose@bucknell.edu (philip
>rose `94):
>> What do you people think about Yuengling Porter?
>> I think it's great.  Great taste, and only $14 a case.
>>

I wish they sold the porter in the 16oz returnable bottles.  They do sell
the lager that way - $14.00 and I get to keep the bottles (perfect size
for homebrew).  It's good beer, the only one I like (sorry Yuengling).  My
wife and I almost went to Pottsville on Saturday for the Winter Carnival
parade.  This year's theme:  Elvis.  We would have gone to the brewery as
well.

>I was amazed when I went on the tour at how close visitors can get to all
>the machinery, as opposed to (say) Anchor where everything is behind glass
>and/or railings.  Not too safe!  Still, they give a nice tour, although I
>wish their offerings at the end hadn't been limited to the Amber and a
>new product, "Black and Tan" (yes, premixed!).

The black-and-tan has been available for a long time but only in kegs.
You'll never guess how they made it - yup, fill a keg halfway with the porter
and halfway with the lager (I think - maybe it was the Chesterfield).  Anyway,
it's now offered around here in 16 oz *cans*.  It created a bit of a stir
when it came out, but now most people dislike the cans more than they like
the beer (it's actually pretty good).

When I went on the tour last, they didn't have a canning facility.  I guess
I'll have to plan a trip (and get that Yuengling watch I've had my eye on).

Jeff Luck
CES Systems Office
Penn State University
JFL4@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
From: danforth@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Bill Danforth)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Brew locales in San Diego
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:22:14 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Hello all,
Any suggestions brewpubs or locales with a good selection of beers?

Thanks in advamce,
Bill Danforth
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: menthol beer
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:48:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

Hi people,

I just heard that G. Heilemann is going to market a version of Colt 44 Malt 
Liquor with a taste of menthol added.  Has anyone heard of this sort of beer 
being brewed before?  It seems like an odd idea, but I don't suppose that 
you could do anything to Colt 44 to make it worse than it already is...

-- Scott
From: greer@mwk.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Hophead news flash -- Bigfoot comes to Houston!
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:35:02 CST
Organization: M. W. Kellogg, Houston TX


     Sierra Nevada Bigfoot {Barleywine Style} Ale is at long last
available in these parts.  If you're not familiar with Bigfoot, it
took a gold at GABF last year, and rates 3/4 stars in the Pocket Guide
to beer.  It's only for hop freaks, however.  It can be found at Spec's
dowtown store in Houston, $9.22/6.  If you can't find it in your part of
Texas, have a little chat with your friendly local retailer.  

     These are the 1993 expedition.  Can anyone out there tell me if Bigfoot
benefits by aging?  Should I put it in the "cellar" with the Thomas Hardy?
I've never gotten my hands on enough of it to try aging it and see how it 
turns out.

     For the benefit of anyone who doesn't already know, barleywines are
quite strong.  When regulating your drinking, figure one of these as about
2.5 Budmilloors.  I wouldn't recommend driving after more than one of these
(even one makes driving a dubious proposition unless you're bigger than I
am [190] or drink very slowly).
-- 
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