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From: dd76@umail.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: re: free roaming iguanas
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:38:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland - Zoology

My 3 ft female ig has free roam of my apt.  She has her own turf that she 
seems to be happy with, and as others suggested, that seems to be the key to
success.  I put up an environment with several large branches  (from 2-4" in
diam)  that are all wrapped in plastic gutter liner to provide footholds.
It looks fine.  I tacked it on with little brads.  Below is my artistic (
or may autistic) rendition of her area. 
The horizontal line is about 3" diam and very solid.  I recently wrappred her 
hosptal heating pad (with covering) around it.  She sleeps on it.
There's a little platform (where the 'wf' is where I can leave food and water.
I drilled a little hole in a tupperware sandwich container so I could anchor
it with twist ties.  There's a 48" flourescent fixture above her on the ceiling
with one vitalite tube and one black lite tube.  There's an infra red lamp
fixture clamped to the wall behind it all.  The lites are on a timer from 
7am to 9:30 pm (she chose the bedtime).

This is convenient for me because I live in a basement apt and needed a sunrise
for myself!

She adopted the place readily because it meets most of her needs.  She can 
climb til she just can't reach the fixture (I figured that one out fast)
although she doesn't stay up there too long since the branch is thinner and
I purposefully didn't provide footholds that high up.

She can also descend to the floor at will by several different routes.  Three
branches  go to the ground and she can also climb to the carpeted staircase
alongside which this is built.  She can see everything that goes on and is
generally at the highest perch point in the apt.  She can find her way back, 
and has done so repeatedly, from anywhere in the apt.  I've found that
she comes down for three reasons.  1. she gets bored. 2. she needs to go to the 
powder room 3. she needs to hide.  

The only place I've had to block off to keep her out is behind the entertainment
center and that wasn't difficult.  I'm lucky that she only stuck herself
behind the fridge once. She's quite careful when she walks around and has
never broken anything or knocked things off a table.  Once, though she tried
to climb a bookcase filled with paperbacks.  The look on her face was pretty
funny when her footholds kept giving way.   

The potty training is another story so I won't go into it here.

Sorry this has gotten so long.  

Anyway, we're both happy with the arrangement.  I never wanted to put her in an
enclosure and since she was over 30 inches when I got her [from a posting to
this group, no less - Thanks Zero-] it was a less complicated decision.   


 
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Good luck to all,
Deborah
From: gg02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GABRIELLA GRAD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Gecko question/problem
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:19:24 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello all

I have a question about my Leopard geckos that I would like to ask the group.

Several months ago I purchased an adult female (age unknown) which apparently
had an eye infection.  I named her Marty cause her eyes bulged and looked much
larger than in any other Leopard gecko I had ever seen.  I took her to a vet,
got antibiotics (oral and otherwise) which seemed to do nothing, and
eventually decided to end her isolation and put her in with my other geckos.
Apart from her strange eyes, she seems healthy as a horse.  She has the
fattest tail of any of my geckos and is doing fine.  None of the other geckos
she is with has developped this eye condition.

Yesterday, I noticed that one of the small geckos I have (I own 12 of these
guys and gals) also seems to have bulging eyes.  Although they do not seem
infected, what seems to have happened is that the upper and lower eyelids have
separated at the posterior point where they used to attach.

My question is:  Has anyone ever noticed this in any gecko species?  If so,
have you any idea what causes this condition?

thanks for any info

gecko maiden
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From: flemyng@hydra.unm.edu (e penryn  flemyngx)
Subject: Query on newsletter and bull snakes
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 21:43:22 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

2) I seem to be unable to find female bullsnakes. The locals and the Florida 
mail order people I deal with all seem to carry males. Any ideas?

Thanks from a humble science teacher.
Penryn
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Subject: Re: REE HERP NEWSLETTER
From: S863508@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 11:37:23 CST
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS
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please send me your newsletter.
 
karen ramsey
8001 natural bridge
room 459 cc bldg umsl
st. louis mo 63121
From: tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Hide boxes (was Re: Ball Phythons [sic])
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:35:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Oregon
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In article <1993Jan7.142407.10049@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>	That is the problem I have with Tabatha(Corn). She has this cheackbood
>box that I put in there and she loves it, but I realy do not see her all that

My corns seem to be happy hiding under a glass plate.  I think they care more
about having a small enclosed space than about keeping it dark...though Rhea
(red albino) doesn't much like bright light.  (I've been told this is a general
trait of amelanistic animals.)

But you might try a transparent container of some sort.

	NT
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From: sonny@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joseph.j.de rosa)
Subject: Re: are chameleons (very) difficult?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:37:37 GMT

>In article <1993Jan5.020314.26828@igor.tamri.com>, donb@igor.tamri.com (Don 'I sa it too' Baldwin) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan4.124449.4845@memstvx1.memst.edu>
>> nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>>From what I understand from the herpetologists at our zoo, chameleons are so
>>>shy that the people who work with them make every possible attempt to not even
>>>make eye contact with them.  The St. Louis zoo, who has had a lot of success
>>>with chameleons, passed this info on to us.  We (Memphis Zoo) are beginning
>>>to have good luck with the Panther chameleons because of this advice.  These
>>>guys are not on exhibit and are separated in gallon glass jars in a place
>>>that is relatively isolated.  All chameleons may not be this shy, but when
>>>I had the opportunity to get a chameleon, I chose not to because I knew I
>>>wouldn't be able to stay away from it.  I think they are wonderful.
>> 
>> Nancy,
>> 
>> I agree with you, for the most part.  However, a guy who runs a small pet
>> shop near me (in Northern California) has had a Veiled Chameleon (scientific
>> name something like Chameleo Calyptrotus) for going on a year now and it
>> doesn't have a shy bone in its body!  He bought it as a captive-bred baby
>> (always the best idea, in my book) and now its HUGE.
>> 
>> The animal is amazing.  It will climb out and onto your finger, zap a 
>> cricket that you're holding in your other hand and then climb back into its
>> cage.

I have a friend with a Senegal chameleon for about 8 months now. He obtained 
it as a very small juvenile (probably a month or two old at most). He lets it 
roam around his fishtanks and live plants, and feeds it (by hand) crickets and
mealworms/beetles that have been dipped in vitamins. The animal has grown 
pretty quickly, and established a routine within a few weeks. It sleeps in the
same spot every night, deficates in the same area at the same time every day,
and roams the same area (pretty much). The only problem that Ed has had is when 
the chameleon stopped drinking on its own, and was dehydrating. Ed now offers
water to the chameleon every day. He uses a LONG eye-dropper, and it usually 
drinks a few drops each time it is offered. 

I would guess that the main problems with keeping a chameleon indoors are:
1. initial stock of poor quality/parasitic infestations.
2. too small an enclosure/too many animals/stress.
3. diet not varied/nutritionally imbalanced.

Ed's Senegal chameleon travels about 5 feet from its sleeping perch every day.
Some days it goes even further. It has a food dish with mealworms/beetles in 
it available all the time. There are at least 2 spotlights that warm perches
for it to use. It is handled pretty frequently, and it never seems to mind 
much. It does seem a pretty labor intensive animal to keep, as it requires
daily care (hand feeding, watering). It IS a really neat animal though.

Joe DeRosa
jderosa@attmail.att.com
From: berk@techsys.mcws.fidonet.org (Berk Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 08:40:41 PST
Organization: Private for Now

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:

> In article <1993Jan6.183337.18196@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU
> (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
> >>Gerbils illegal in CA? Why?
> >
> >Other than the general desire of the government to infringe upon our
> >personal freedoms, you mean? (Gee Don, you still out there? :-) 
> 
> You bet.  rec.pets.herp isn't as wild & crazy as alt.peeves but it has its
> moments, at times.
> 
> As for gerbils, if we let the government ban them, next they'll be trying
> to ban our guns.  But a gerbil is much easier to take away... :)
> 
>    don

and easier to hide, too, I imagine.

anyway, anyone have some "can't resist" foods for young igs?

Berk Walker                           berk@techsys.mcws.fidonet.org

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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:14:01 GMT


>You brought up a good point. Old TV consoles can be turned into a really
>nice looking snake/reptile cage without spending much money.

Atchually, I hadn't thought of those -- this is an old desk-sized peice
with a flip-up top for a really scary changer.  Every time I go past it
my mind says "Burmese" to me.  I'd have to do some work on it -- like
putting in a bottom -- but I think there's a lot there to work with.  My
parents have another one, but I don't have any way of getting it from there
to here.

>I'd recommend covering the interior with plastic bath panel. This will
>prevent any fungus problems with the wood, as well as making it much
>easier to clean up a *wet* dump.

Yep -- I'm worried about toxicity from the finish on the wood, though.

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From: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Ball Phythons
Reply-To: mds5597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:24:07 GMT

In article <1if85vINN68r@pith.uoregon.edu>, tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny) writes:
>
>Wild-caught ball pythons are notoriously picky eaters, though there is now a
>pretty well-developed art of getting them to eat.  The problem doesn't seem
>to exist with captive-raised animals...mine will eat just about anything.
>
>They're beautiful snakes, very handlable, but they do tend to hide a lot.  I
>find myself wishing I'd given them a less effective hide box...
>
>	NT


	That is the problem I have with Tabatha(Corn). She has this cheackbood
box that I put in there and she loves it, but I realy do not see her all that
much. What other hiding places can a snake owner provide that would be "less
effective"? Or is that worth it when thinking about the stress that would be
addded to the snake?

                                               
                                                      Treky and Tabatha
							    N8VFZ

P.S.
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Color vision in snakes?
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
Keywords: This article printed on 100% recycled electrons
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:31:15 GMT

In article <103992@netnews.upenn.edu> rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey
"How about this scenario" Rowe) writes:

>Are you sure about this?  If I recall correctly, some boids have
>multiple stenopeic pupils (i.e. when the pupils are open they're
>vertical, but when they're stopped down they look like a series of
>pinholes one on top of the other--Tokay geckos definitely have this
>sort of pupil; look at one in bright light to see what I mean), but
>the garter snake I referred to above has an immovable pupil if I
>recall correctly.  I can look that up pretty easily if you want.

The Emerald Tree Boa is at least one example of multiple stenopeic
pupils.  Well, actually, most of them have two.  From observation I
would conclude that most colubrids have fixed pupils.  Which is rather
confusing considering that the colubrids evolved much later!  Could
their eyes de-evolve? (Although they probably prefer the term,
'Evolutionarily challenged')

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From: RFEWSTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU
Subject: test
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:42:36 EST

this is only a test.
From: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: mice for sale
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:16:24 GMT
Reply-To: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov
Distribution: ba
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

[Apologies to non SF Bay readers -- distribution "ba" doesn't seem to
work well.]

I've been raising mice for my corn snake for several months now, and I
have WAY TOO MANY for my own personal consumption.  If anyone wants
cheap mice for their snake(s), let me know.  My number at home is
(415) 988-8789.  The mice (and myself) are located in Mountain View.

-- David

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From: tac@rena.inesc.pt (Telmo A. Carmo)
Subject: little green turtle
Organization: INESC
Distribution: rec.pets.herp
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:14:50 GMT


Hello

I apologize if this is not the right group to ask the
following questions.

I have received as a present a small green turtle. I would
like to know what care I should have with her (how often
to change water, what to feed her and how often,...)

Is it true that they only live for a few months?

Thanks for any info.

	Telmo
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
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Date: 8 Jan 93 02:03:12 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1993Jan6.183337.18196@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU
(Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>>Gerbils illegal in CA? Why?
>
>Other than the general desire of the government to infringe upon our
>personal freedoms, you mean? (Gee Don, you still out there? :-) 

You bet.  rec.pets.herp isn't as wild & crazy as alt.peeves but it has its
moments, at times.

As for gerbils, if we let the government ban them, next they'll be trying
to ban our guns.  But a gerbil is much easier to take away... :)

   don
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From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
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Subject: Re: What do Anoles eat?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:05:03 GMT
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In article <C0G1E4.My1.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
> 
> Yes. I only give hard-boiled as well since I heard this. I was also
> wondering if maybe anyone knew of any types of eggs sold that were small
> enough for a monitor to swallow whole? I figure all that eggshell has to
> be great calcium.

Quail eggs are pretty small and sold by most larger grocery stores, I
think. I can't get Skippy, my Savannah, to touch hard eggs, though.

> >	immediately considered food, including your own bodily appendages.  
> 
> Which puzzles me, because I know people who claim their savannahs are
> just like lap-dogs. Mine always at least licks my fingers to make sure
> I'm not rodent, and he has occasionally latched on.

Puzzles me, too. Skippy's still young and small (about 19 inches) and
thus a bit jumpy, but he has never gone for me with his jaws. He bashes
things with his meaty tail, though. He's becoming more lap-dog-like every
day -- lots of fun!

Do all Savannahs eat like hogs? Skippy is putting down 4 weanling mice
a day now, and there aren't enough crickets on the planet to fill him
up.

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From: nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Gerbils running wild (was Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:42:58 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <C0G58p.Aww@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
> In article <Jan.6.09.42.58.1993.4220@pilot.njin.net> csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey) writes:
>>Gerbils illegal in CA? Why?
> 
> California has problems with freed pet _Xenopus_ frogs breeding in the 
> waterways and killing off the native amphibians.  I believe that there are 
> already a small number of gerbils loose in CA making pests of themselves.

I have heard that ferrets are illegal in California too - for the same reasons. 
And as I recall, when we left California to return to Memphis, there were
stations where you had to stop and they checked what was being brought into
California.  I think they check on the way out, too.  It's been awhile so I
can't remember.

Nancy

> 
> Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
> Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
From: nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Color vision in snakes?
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:22:29 -0600
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Distribution: na
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1993Jan7.230933.25326@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.132950.4922@memstvx1.memst.edu>
> nvonstein@memstvx1.memst.edu (The Strongest Woman in the World) writes:
> 
Hello - Reality check here.  What makes me *The Strongest Woman in the World*?
Must have been something I said (?)!  Oh but that I were -  my job here would
be history!!

Thanks for the title - but I don't quite understand.  Were you flaming me?  BTW
I'm not flaming you.  (submissive little puppy tail wag)

Nancy

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Xref: sparky rec.pets.herp:4465 sci.bio:4846
From: bell-peter@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU (vineland expatriate)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp,sci.bio
Subject: any references on snake blood circulation?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:24:47 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

Howdy, all--

I need to try to track down an anatomical study of the circulatory system in 
snakes, if I can.  I will try the Life of Reptiles series tomorrow adn see if 
I can get any good citations from that, but I thought I'd fish around out
here as well.  I've tried the usual suspects, medline, current contents, and
science citations to no avail;  I have to pay money to use the online zoo 
record at this cheapskate school!  (btw, a note to anyone thinking of turning
up here- the net access is ok but not great, and a lot of computing resources 
that ought to be free are not.  One problem here compared to the Univ of
Chicago and Berkeley is that our sysadmins are not netheads, as far as I can
see.  We certainly have no one nearly as cool as Ellen Keyne Sebacher here...)

In any event, if anyone happens to know of any citations in this field, I'd 
appreciate hearing about them.  Old, obscure ones are fine--I'm expecting to 
need to use stuff from around the turn of the century, when anatomy was king...

Peter
bell@minerva.cis.yale.edu
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From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: Re: Free-roaming iguanas
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:52:23 GMT

Whoops, I guess they seemed larger from my perspective at the time. they
were more like 1 ft. snout to vent, you know, the medium sized ones. :)

JIm

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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: The Makeup of A Snake's Housing...
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:21:17 GMT

>Caveat: I know some snakes will not eat gerbils - you should test it on
>a gerbil before raising them.

I'd figured on using rats, actually, but breeding anything at all isn't an
option -- my allergies helped get me into herps in the first place.

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