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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Getting "official" answers (was: Hangmans Noose)
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:03:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Summit NJ

>>>I,ve heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
>>>hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?

>>	I though it was against the law to make a noose.

>As far as I know, there is nothing illegal, nor is it against OFFICIAL BSA 
>rules to make or teach how to make nooses.  HOWEVER, no Scouter I know will
>teach the noose, nor let the boys make them.  They are not Knots used for
>any legitimate scouting purpose.

Using this question as a lead-in, one of the things that I've noticed
in my 6+ years as a Scouter is that other Scouters seem to "know",
as "fact", various "policies" or subsets of policies.  Sometimes I
wonder how these get to be "known" and at what level (national, region,
council, district, or troop) they are determined.

Since I've been primarily involved in advancement, here are a few of
the conflicting things I've heard-

    1.	The Board of Review does not have the authority to reject a
	candidate for advancement.  If they did have a problem with a
	candidate, their job is to report back to the Troop Committee
	and determine what procedural changes are needed to make sure
	the problem does not occur again.  (At least National, via the
	"Scouting" magazine, has mentioned that the BofR has the
	authority to not advance a boy; their suggestion was to
	schedule a follow-up session at the time of rejection.)

    2.  Concerning membership of Boards of Review, I've heard the
	following conflicting statements-

	a. Assistant Scoutmasters are not allowed to sit on a
	   Board of Review.

	b. ASM's can be a member but it's discouraged,

	c. There's no problem with ASM's being on a BofR.

	d. ASM's can sit on a Star BofR but not a Life BofR.

    3.	Ask 3 people who can sign off on merit badges, and you'll
	get at least 4 answers.  Among the various stories I've heard
	are-

	a. The District Advancement Chairman must approve all merit
	   badge counselors, including those who want to work with
	   only their own Troop.

	b. The District Advancement Chairman need only approve
	   District-wide counselors, but a Scoutmaster can approve
	   Troop-only counselors.

	c. A Scoutmaster can sign off as the merit badge counselor
	   if he feels that the boy did complete the requirements
	   (typically this involves badges worked on at camp).

-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: anet@penumbra.West.Sun.COM (Annette Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:00:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: anet@penumbra.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: penumbra.west.sun.com


Does anyone out there know the words to the song "Announcements"?

I know it starts something like....


	Announcements, Announcements, Announcements,

	A horrible way to die, a horrible way to die......


Thanks in advance for your assistance!!

Annette Thomas
Treas./Assist. Den Leader 
Pack 545 - Dublin, CA
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Hangmans Noose
Date: 20 Dec 1992 05:20:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, smackinnon@mta.ca () says:

>In article <arklein-181292133511@minos.pica.army.mil>, arklein@pica.army.mil (Arnold S. Klein) writes:
>>I,ve heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
>>hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?
>>
>>Arnold S. Klein at Armament Reasearch, Development and Engineering Center
>>(ARDEC) E-Mail arklein@pica.army.mil
>	I though it was against the law to make a noose.
>qshawn
>
>
As far as I know, there is nothing illegal, nor is it against OFFICIAL BSA 
rules to make or teach how to make nooses.  HOWEVER, no Scouter I know will
teach the noose, nor let the boys make them.  They are not Knots used for
any legitimate scouting purpose.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: bernman@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Bern Man)
Subject: Re: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:40:38 GMT

	This is how we sang it at the now shut down Crossland
Boys Scout Reserve in Indiana:

		ANNOUNCEMENTS

	Announcements, Announcement, Announcements.
	A terrible death to die, a terrible death to die;
	A terrible death, to talk to death;
	A terrible death to die.
	Announcements, Announcement, Announcements.
	SPEAK FREAK!

	We lost our cow.  We lost our cow.
	We have no need, for your bull now.

	So pile it in the corner, pile it in the corner,
	pile it in the corner;
	it helps the flowers grow.

--
                            /\/B E R N   M A N\/\

"The more I learn, the more I realize how much I do not know..."
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Is anybody out there?
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:56:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Dec13.214447.1255@u.washington.edu> mustang@u.washington.edu writes:
>I was just wondering if anybody is manning Philmont Scout Ranch this time
>of year.  I tried calling down on several different days but nobody is
>answering.  I have 505-376-2281 as the phone number I'm using.  Is this
>the wrong number?  
>Brian
 Well, Brian, I called to our local council (Great Southwest) and checked the 
number with them.  It is correct as you have it (505)-376-2281.  I do have 
a few suggestions.  The office is only open 8-5 MST, which is 2 hours 
behind you (if you call in the early morning, it's too early.  This is 
from experience of friends calling me at 5:00am thinking it was 9:00am 
for me!)) 
 Another thing is that it is snow season which means facilities may close
due to the weather.  Philmont gets quite a bit of snow this time of year,
and it is a heavy snow year(as I look out my window and see lots of white
fluff coming to the ground.)  
   Keep trying.  If you can't get thru by phone, write them.

WWW
Dominick
>
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: smackinnon@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Hangmans Noose
Reply-To: smackinnon@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:12:43 GMT

In article <arklein-181292133511@minos.pica.army.mil>, arklein@pica.army.mil (Arnold S. Klein) writes:
>I,ve heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
>hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?
>
>Arnold S. Klein at Armament Reasearch, Development and Engineering Center
>(ARDEC) E-Mail arklein@pica.army.mil
	I though it was against the law to make a noose.
qshawn
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:48:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Another version that we used, and I don't remember all of the verses:
(also, each verse uses it's own original tune):

Announcements, Announcements, Announcements
When you're up you're up (all stand)
When you're down you're down (all sit)
But when you're only half-way up (half-stand)
You're neither up (stand up)  or down(sit).

Announcements Announcements, Announcements
Row, row, row the boat gently down the stream,
merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily 
we're a submarine....

Announcements Announcements, Announcements
What a terrible way to die,
a terrible way to die, 
a terrible way to be talked to death,
a terrible way to die...

Announcements, Announcements, Announcements
Swing low sweet Chariot (sing this line slow, and with all the 
                         feeling of the original)
SCRAPE!! (slight pause)

Announcements, Announcements, Announcements
Here comes Peter Cottontail, 
Hoppin' down the bunny trail...
BANG!

Announcements, Announcements, Announcements.

There are many more verses along these lines, but I can't 
remember them all.  Happy singing....
!

 
A
A
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Wolfboro Pioneers
From: gary@agx.usu.edu (Gary L. Neuenswander)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:27:39 GMT
Organization: Utah State University (USU)
Keywords: Wolfboro Pioneers

I just wanted to know if anyone out there is a Wolfboro Pioneer from Camp 
Wolfboro of the Mt. Diablo Council?
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:51:44 -0500 
From: David H Lawrence <dl3y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Summer Camp Staff in KY?

The following message is for scouters who have been summer camp staff
members in the Old Kentucky Home or Louisville Area Councils.

Presently there is a search to find all people who have ever served on a
summer camp staff in the Old Kentucky Home or Louisville Area Councils. 
This includes all summer camps:  Covered Bridge, Rough River, Crooked
Creek, and others.  A reunion and staff listing is being planned for
June, 1993 and all known staffers will be invited.  Please if you are or
know of a staffer please answer the questions below and send it to: (by
US mail) Camp
Staff Reunion, c/o David Lawrence, 4014 Gingerwood Drive, Louisville KY
40220; (by E-mail to) BSAGRIZ@EKU.BITNET  or   dl3y+@andrew.cmu.edu
(send no later than by 12/13/92 to this address due to lose of this
account); or (by phone) 502-491-2146.

Please let us know any information you have about other staffers, any
information will be very helpful. 

Requested information:  1.  Name
                        2.  Address
                        3.  Phone Number
                        4.  Staff Position(s) and Year(s)
                        5.  Camp(s)

Thank you very much for the valuable information,

David Lawrence
Staff Reunion Co-Organizer
From: stephen.a.mohr@cdc.com (Stephen Mohr 612-482-5634)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Words to Song "Ain't Goina Rain no More"
Keywords: Song, "Ain't Goina Rain no More"
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:58:54 GMT
Reply-To: stephen.a.mohr@cdc.com (Stephen Mohr 612-482-5634)
Organization: Control Data Systems, Inc.

I've been looking all over for the words to the song "Ain't Gona Rain no More"
I have only two verses, the kids love this song.  I know of another verse about a
sailor, but not all the words.  This is what I do have:

[Refrain]
Oh, it ain't gona rain no more, no more
It ain't gona rain no more
How in heck can I wash my neck
if it ain't gona rain no more
[1st Verse]
A bum sat by the sewer
And by the sewer he died
And at the corners inquist
They call it sewer side
[2nd Verse]
A peanut sat on the railroad track
It's heart was all a-flutter
Along came the 415
Toot toot, peanut butter


I have done some research, but all I come up with is a song name the
same, but a whole different topic (southern slave tune).  I would appreciate
any verses the you may come up with!!

Yours in Scouting
-- 

Stephen A. Mohr
Senior Technical Instructor
Control Data System Inc.
Stephen.A.Mohr@cdc.com
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Scout Sabbath & Sunday - A Hiking Prayer
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:56:05 GMT
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Organization: Cleveland Jewish Committee on Scouting, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu



The following is the first in a series of suggested readings, prayers,
and responsive readings for use at Scout Sabbath and Scout Sunday
services.  The Hiking Prayer below has been used frequently as a final
benediction to close services.  It's one of my favorites.

		A Hiking Prayer

  	by Rabbi Nachman of Bratslav  (1722-1811)

Master of the Universe
Grant me the ability to be alone;
May it be my custom to go outdoors each day
Among the trees and grass, among all living things.
And there may I be alone, and enter into prayer,
To talk with the one to whom I belong.
May I express there everything in my heart,
And may all the foliage of the field
(All grasses, trees, and plants)
May they all awake at my coming,
To send the powers of their life into the words of my prayer
So that my prayer and speech are made whole
Through the life and the spirit of all growing things,
Which are made as one by their transcendent source.
From: anet@penumbra.West.Sun.COM (Annette Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Jamboree Troop Accomodations Washington DC
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:35:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: anet@penumbra.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: penumbra.west.sun.com


You might want to check into a Youth Hostel  (check your yellow pages 
for one close to you) request the pamphlet for the the USA hostels.

They are generally very clean and "cheap".  They have dorm rooms with
bunk beds and full use of the kitchen facilities and common bathrooms.

Annette Thomas
Treas/Asst. Den Leader
Dublin, CA  


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Brad Porter)
Subject: Re: Words to Song "Ain't Goina Rain no More"
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:40:47 EST

This is the fierst time I've posted a message on the net, and my computer is no
t corresponding well asycronously with the mainframe, but I'm going to try to s
end you the two other verses of It Ain't Gonna rain no more that I know from Ad
irondack Scout Reservation Camp Sabattis.  I don't know how appropriate you fin
d them, but they do work in the song, and as of yet, nlo onbe has complained ab
out them.  They follow:
  My dady is a doctor,
  my mommy is a nurse,
  and I'm the little needle
  that gets you where it hurts...
 
  Mary had a little lamb,
  her father shot it dead
  and now she takes it to school
between two slices of bread...
 
This is a great song to sing at the opening of a rainy campfire - which for som
e reason we had a lot of this year!!!  Hope you find thiese useful - I've ju ju
st know them from singing them, I can't tell you where they come from.
                           -Brad Porter
DRPORTER@SUVM
In article <50600@shamash.cdc.com>
stephen.a.mohr@cdc.com (Stephen Mohr 612-482-5634) writes:
 
>I've been looking all over for the words to the song "Ain't Gona Rain no More"
>I have only two verses, the kids love this song.  I know of another verse about a
>sailor, but not all the words.  This is what I do have:
>
>[Refrain]
>Oh, it ain't gona rain no more, no more
>It ain't gona rain no more
>How in heck can I wash my neck
>if it ain't gona rain no more
>[1st Verse]
>A bum sat by the sewer
>And by the sewer he died
>And at the corners inquist
>They call it sewer side
>[2nd Verse]
>A peanut sat on the railroad track
>It's heart was all a-flutter
>Along came the 415
>Toot toot, peanut butter
>
>
>I have done some research, but all I come up with is a song name the
>same, but a whole different topic (southern slave tune).  I would appreciate
>any verses the you may come up with!!
>
>Yours in Scouting
>--
>
>Stephen A. Mohr
>Senior Technical Instructor
>Control Data System Inc.
>Stephen.A.Mohr@cdc.com
>
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Brad Porter)
Subject: Adirondack Scout Reservation
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 21:59:56 EST

The Adirondack Scout REsrvation - the ultimate in summer camps.  ASR provides t
hree camps - two patrol cooking, and one diniong hall camp.  (personally I'm bi
ased toward Camp Sabattis, one of the patrol cooking camps.  All three are loca
ted in the heart of the adirondack.  Camp forester provides Project COPE, Mount
aineer is the dinin hall camp, and Sabattis has Challenge vally, rock climbing
and easily accessible High Adventure trips for even the youngest of troops!  Ev
er wanted to see a deer up close, Sabattis has them (no one hunts 20 miles back
 in the heart of the Adirondacks. )  With a huge staff of voyageurs, and multip
le trips following the Adirondack Adventure area trails, ASR has it all for you
.  For more information, contact - Hiawatha Coucil, 600 West Genessee Street, S
yracuse New York, 13204 - or call 474-8574.  -Brad Porter
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: freemanm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Freeman)
Subject: test
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:32:47 GMT

just a test

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: dixon@csn.org (Jonathan Dixon)
Subject: Re: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:26:51 GMT

  The other posts have mostly covered it, but I remember a verse:

  Here comes Peter Cottontail, hopping down the bunny trail.
  BANG.
  You'd better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout,
  I'm telling you why,
  Santa Claus is DEAD.
  Dead is our cow, we don't need your bull now.

Jon Dixon
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU (Dennis J. Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: Words to Song "Ain't Goina Rain no More"
Reply-To: pnsf01dw@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:52:04 GMT

In article <50600@shamash.cdc.com>, stephen.a.mohr@cdc.com (Stephen Mohr 612-482-5634) writes:
>I've been looking all over for the words to the song "Ain't Gona Rain no More"
>I have only two verses, the kids love this song.  I know of another verse about a
>sailor, but not all the words.  This is what I do have:
>
>[Refrain]
>Oh, it ain't gona rain no more, no more
>It ain't gona rain no more
>How in heck can I wash my neck
>if it ain't gona rain no more
>[1st Verse]
>A bum sat by the sewer
>And by the sewer he died
>And at the corners inquist
>They call it sewer side
>[2nd Verse]
>A peanut sat on the railroad track
>It's heart was all a-flutter
>Along came the 415
>Toot toot, peanut butter
>
How 'bout:

My father is a butcher
My mother is a cook
And I'm the little hot-dog
That runs around the brook
[Chorus]
My father built a chimney
HE built itup so high
He had to take it down each night
To let the moon go by
[Chorus]

If there's a sailor verse, I'd love to see it!

- Dennis
----------------------------------------------------
Dennis J. Wilkinson, II  (pnsf01dw@umassd.edu)
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth - Design/CS Project

The opinions reflected in this post are MINE!!!! ALL MINE!!!!!
From: Paul_Parry@brown.edu (Paul Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Words to "ANNOUNCEMENTS"
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:33:54 GMT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, RI
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News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

Here's the version I was harassed :-) with as a camp program director..

Announcements, Announcements, Announcements
[Paul] has got another one, another one, another one,
[Paul] has got another one he has them all the time.
Announcements, Announcements, Announcements...

We sold our cow, we sold our cow,
We have no use for your bull now, For Your Bull Now.
Announcements, Announcements, Announcements.

We love you [Paul], oh yes we do-oo.
We love you [Paul], and we'll be true
When your not with us, YA-HOOOOOO
Oh, [Paul] we love you.

I'd then say something like "If anyone is interested in a staff position,
there will be a number of openings after this meal."

Paul Parry
Eagle Class of 1985
ASM, Troop 9, Cranston, RI
From: arklein@pica.army.mil (Arnold S. Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Hangmans Noose
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:44:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.scouting
Distribution: usa
Organization: Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

I,ve heard that it is against scout policy to make, or show how to make a
hangmans noose to scouts, is this true?

Arnold S. Klein at Armament Reasearch, Development and Engineering Center
(ARDEC) E-Mail arklein@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: stensta@idt.unit.no (Petter Stenstadvold)
Subject: Newfoundland
Keywords: Newfoundland, rovers, scouts
Reply-To: stensta@idt.unit.no (Petter Stenstadvold)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:19:44 GMT

NEWFOUNDLAND
------------
Anyone on the net from St.John's NFLD, who remember the
Norwegians at the Prov.Jamboree at Gros Morne in 1987? Viking games...

Anyone from the 6th St.John's Rovercrew reading this?
Or anyone else who knows the Rovers in St.John's NFLD?


I hope so, PLEASE MAIL ME, I'd love to hear news from NFLD rovering & scouting,


Yours in scouting,
                  Petter


==================================================================
            PETTER STENSTADVOLD    (stensta@idt.unit.no)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Member of: TSSG (Trondheim Student Scout Group), Trondheim, Norway
           1.Storaasen scout & guide group, Bergen, Norway
==================================================================
I studied Electronics at Marine Institute, St.John's, Newfoundland 
for 3 years from 1986-89... I'd love to come back for a visit!!
Now completing computer sciences at NTH, Trondheim, Norway
==================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: mustang@hardy.u.washington.edu (Brian Watson)
Subject: Is anybody out there?
Reply-To: mustang@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:44:47 GMT

I was just wondering if anybody is manning Philmont Scout Ranch this time
of year.  I tried calling down on several different days but nobody is
answering.  I have 505-376-2281 as the phone number I'm using.  Is this
the wrong number?  

Brian