From: busta@vicki.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Oswald/Lovelady controversy
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:56:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <14DEC199211384190@zeus.tamu.edu>, ajs9462@zeus.tamu.edu (SIMON, ANTHONY JOE) writes...
>In article <1992Dec14.131112.1999@engage.pko.dec.com>, busta@vicki.enet.dec.com writes...
>> 
>>In article <11DEC199213294014@zeus.tamu.edu>, ajs9462@zeus.tamu.edu (SIMON, ANTHONY JOE) writes...
>>>In article <schuck.724093503@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...
>>> 
>>>>With all the photographs and film shot that day, isn't there a picture
>>>>of Lovelady around to compare?
>>> 
>>>Josiah Thompson covers the subject of Oswald and Lovelady pretty thoroughly
>>>towards the end of "Six Seconds in Dallas" and concludes that it is Lovelady.
>>>There are "mug shots" of Oswald and Lovelady as well as a blowup of the Altgens
>>>photo. In my opinion, these pictures coupled with witnesses who were on the
>>>steps with Lovelady show that the person in the picture is Lovelady.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Then how do you explain the fact that Lovelady stated that he was wearing
>> a short-sleeved red and white vertical striped shirt, even wore the shirt
>> for FBI photos, and the Altgens photo clearly shows that whoever that
>> person is was NOT wearing anything of the sort.......
>>
> 
>     First, my only source is Josiah Thompson's "Six Seconds in Dallas", and
>so I do not have the exact testimony where Lovelady claimed to be in the shirt
>you describe.


  It's in the Warren Commission hearings as well as Whitewash by Weisberg.



> 
>     On page 227 of SSiD, Thompson quotes a CBS Interview with Lovelady and I
>reprint it here.
> 
>          "Recently, when the discrepancy between shirts was pointed out
>	   to Lovelady by CBS News, he replied, 'Well, when the FBI took
>	   me in the shirt, I told them it wasn't the same shirt.' The
>	   shirt Lovelady now claims to have worn on November 22 is long-
>	   sleeved and patterned in large squares."


  That is NOT what he testified to at the Warren Commission Hearings....

  I can't give you the volume/page number as I don't have access as I type
 this....


> 
>It appears to me that Lovelady had changed his shirt before being taken in to
>be questioned. My question to you: Is the testimony in the WCR an FBI report
>or is it Lovelady's sworn testimony? It makes a difference.


 It is NOT in the WCR, it is sworn testimony in the WCH.



> 
>     Other reasons I have for believing it was Lovelady on the steps and
>not Oswald.
> 
>     1) Oswald didn't claim to be there at the time of the assassination, but
>claimed to be inside the building. If I were accused of murder and I was on
>the steps with a bunch of witnesses, I'd certainly point that out and not
>claim to be elsewhere. Of course, you could claim that his testimony was
>written by a bunch of conspirators, but (I believe) one of the people who
>wrote the Oswald's testimony is a believer in a conspiracy. I can't remember
>his name (I think it's Hosty), but he is the FBI agent who was there during
>the initial questioning of Oswald. He was pulled from the investigation and
>he thinks that he was pulled as part of a cover-up. So, take it for what it
>is worth.
> 
>     2) Thompson claims that there are three witnesses who claim that Lovelady
>was with them on the steps of the Depository. William Shelley (6H328), Sarah
>Stanton (22H647), and Wesley Frazier (22H675). I know of no one who claims that
>Oswald was there.



  Ahh, but in the WCH, Shelley testified under oath that Lovelady was, indeed,
 on the steps in front of the building, SITTING DOWN on the top step directly
 in front of Shelley......




> 
>     3) The pictures on page 226 of SSiD indicate to me that it is more likely
>to be Lovelady than Oswald. The Altgens 'blowup' is very blurry and the only
>good indication that it is Lovelady rather than Oswald is the hairline is more
>receeding than Oswald's and looks right for Lovelady.


   Hard to tell with a second or third generation copy.....could be either
  of them. But the shirt is NOT what Lovelady testified to have worn that day.


> 
>     4) The fact the shirt color Oswald is closer to Oswald's shirt color in
>a mug shot taken later Nov. 22 does not make that Oswald either. Oswald was
>supposedly to have returned to his boarding house where he changed shirts.


 Never heard this one before........



> 
>Tony Simon
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