HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov (Mark Boolootian)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: California SB 1705
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:28:21 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory


The following was posted to the libernet mailing list.  I cannot post to
alt.drugs, so perhaps someone on t.p.d. can crosspost.


Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:54:53 PDT
From: edgar@spectrx.saigon.com (Edgar W. Swank)
Subject: From Cal. Lib. News
To: Libernet             <libernet@Dartmouth.EDU>

from Vol. 7, No. 5 -- August 1992 California Libertarian News. 
 
DOES A JOINT IN THE ASHTRAY
PUT YOUR HOUSE ON THE
AUCTION BLOCK?
 
   At the behest of the California Sheriffs Association,
 State Senator Ken Maddy (R-Fresno) has introduced SB
 1705, which would make California's laws regarding
 forfeiture of property allegedly used to produce or sell
 drugs even more draconian than they already are.
     The District Attorney could seize a person's property
 based on the affidavit of a single informant, even an
 arrested informant trying to make a deal with law
 enforcement! The person whose property is seized does
 not, of course, even have to be charged with a crime. The
 owner could lose his property and right to due process if
 he can't post a bond equal to 10% of the property's value
 pending appeal of the forfeiture. The bill would allow
 local police agencies to keep 85% of the property seized
 based on local drug investigations, and the prosecutor's
 office would receive 15%.
      A whole property could be seized even if only tainted
 by a minimal amount of a controlled substance, e.g. a
 1000-acre ranch could be seized for $300 worth of drugs,
 or the owner of a mobile home park could lose all his
 property due to the drug activities of only one tenant.
     Currently, the District Attorney can go back five
 years to determine if a property was used for drug activity.
 SB 1705 would change this to ten years. If the property
 where drug activity took place has been sold in the
 meantime, the proceeds from this sale could be traced and a
 newly purchased piece of property could be seized instead.
    SB 1705 is an extremely dangerous threat to our
liberties. Libertarians want to end the War on Drugs
completely. The Democrats and Republicans want to
fight to the bitter end -- and woe be it to those who stand
in their way. Senator Maddy and his allies don't have a
clue as to the meaning of the Constitution. Let's tell
them about it. Write to your State Assembly Member or
State Senator at State Capitol, Sacramento, CA 95814.
-- 
Mark Boolootian		booloo@llnl.gov		+1 510 423 1948
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:50:58 -0400 
From: Kevin Paul Goldman <kg1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Paper
Distribution: usa


Not only that, but hemp paper I believe lasts longer then paper made
form wood pulp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that a majority
of this nations important documents were printed on hemp paper, such as
the Declaration of Independance,  Constitution, Bill of
Rights......Hmmmmmm



Mongo

Major: Kegology, Zygmetry minor
College : The College of H & N 0 Stress...
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"Whiskey, all you can drink..." Karim Hussain

Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: Ted.Schafer@bbs.rn.com (Ted Schafer)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 12:21:46 EST
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Subject: anrbor_mi_smoke_in
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Ted.Schafer@bbs.rn.com (Ted Schafer)
X-Posting-Software: UnixBBS 1.03b S/N 145921

hi nettie
   can anyone tell me when the anrbor mi smoke in is this year?
did i miss it already?
                                  thanks in advance
                                      ted schafer
                                        WO9A
-----------------------------------------------------------------
everyone have a happy yak shaving day.
...............hey buddy got any yak shaving scum?
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.drugs:5903 alt.drugs:14898
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New Book on Legalization
From: ()
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:09:41 EDT

In article <1992Aug19.184021.25408@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, rwilson@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Randy Wilson) writes:
> 
> I just received a new book that attempts to give the best arguments
> both for and against drug legalization.  It is:
> 
> 	"Drug Legalization, For and Against", 
> 	edited by Rod Evans and Irwin Berent,
> 	with a foreword by Linus Pauling and introduction by Hugh Downs, 
> 	331 pages, 1992, $12.95.
> 	from Open Court Publishing, La Salle, IL, 61301
> 	ISBN 0-8126-9169-5 (paperback)  (0-8126-9168-7 cloth)
> 
> 	Toll Free Number for Open Court:  800-435-6850
> 
Ordered the book today, they were very nice, but the ISBN you have is wrong.
Paperback is 0-8126-9184-9 $14.95  Cloth: 0-8126-9183-0 $32.95
They do charge for shipping.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: A distinction between Soft and Hard dr
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:23:18 GMT

Two corrections...

In article 44M@wrs.com, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
>Rat poison is legal...so is alcohol.  Should alcohol be illegal because
>somebody could "spike the punch"?
          ^^^^^ might
>expand their interference in my personal life.  Their is already a
                                                 ^^^^^ There

I know they're pedantic, but I hate it when I make stupid mistakes like that.

thx
gak			Der Herr Buergermeister gibt bekannt, dass ab
gak@wrs.com		Donnerstag Bier gebraut wird und deshalb ab
attmail!gakhaus!gak	Mittwoch micht mehr in den Bach geschissen
107/H/3&4		werden darf.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: cklausme@jarthur.claremont.edu (Chris Klausmeier)
Subject: Green Panthers
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:18:18 GMT

Does anyone have any first-hand or reliable second-hand information about
the Green Panthers, "the only drug legaliztion group to disrupt the war on
drugs by staging direct actions that shut down prisons, auctions, and even
federal buildings"?  Any info about the group or their Action Manual would
be appreciated.  They sure have a neat logo, a hipster cat smoking a reefer
and making an obscene gesture.

-- Chris
From: nilesd@ucrengr.ucr.edu (niles rowland)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: A distinction between Soft and Hard drugs
Keywords: geek, nerd, dweeb, spaz dork, and so on
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:19:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <tmiller.713795608@camms1.caos.kun.nl> tmiller@camms2.caos.kun.nl (Todd M. Miller) writes:
>
>How would you remedy such an occurance (someone drugging someone else without
>their knowledge or approval) if all drugs were legal?

Be real, dude!  Whaddafukya think a _mickey_ is?  LEGAL BARBITUATES!
If someone's gonna drug ya they'll use the cheap stuff -- legal shit.
The drug laws only serve to keep the price of the drug artificially
inflated...the Company's gotta make some bucks too, ya know.

>At the same time I agree with you your opinion in that we as human
>beings have natural rights, not bestowed on us by the government, to
>the wonders of nature.  But in a practical sense aren't the current laws
>the best way leave that decision in the hands of each individual by
>requiring a substantial body of knowledge be accumulated in order to
>acquire these substances?  Why should anyone be able to purchase all
>the drugs they want without going through a reasonable amount of study
>concerning the substance in question?  Do you deny that "hard" drugs
>do require some sort of preparation before injestion or do you suggest
>that someone just drop those tabs of acid and see what happens?

How right you are!  Just last night I went over to my connect's
house looking for some cola and I was REAL LUCKY I had done my
research earlier 'cause his fucking quiz was a BEAR!!!
(GET A GRIP!!!  If you're gonna talk shit about the black market, deal
with it at least once before you open your mouth.  My red-neck,
ignornant 65 yr old mother says basically the same shit and I figure
that it must come directly from CBS prime time.  It sure ain't real
life!)

>I have no quarrel with individuals who feel the way you do, but we must
>examine the facts.  I don't know how much you realize it but there is 
>a possibility that if LSD were legal someone could put some in your
>drink without you knowing it.  In fact this has happened to me twice in
>my lifetime that I'm aware of (after the fact of course) while it has been

How is it geeks have all the luck?  I gotta pay for all mine!

>I'm all for legalizing things but I would like to see the plan and the
>expected behavior patterns explained first.  Perhaps if you had just come
>off of a three day acid trip which you never expected to take you would feel 
>differently.  It is hardly the same as smelling marijuana in the air, thus
>the distinction between Hard and Soft drugs.

"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to
control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things
that are not crimes...
"A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our
government was founded"
		-- Abraham Lincoln, December 1840

niles
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: lee@muppet.bt.co.uk (Lee Sanders)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Cannabis/Cannabalism
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:29:22 GMT
Reply-To: lee@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Research.

I don't wish to seem picky but where one inaccuracy lurks ...

In article 713793006@camms1.caos.kun.nl, tmiller@camms2.caos.kun.nl (Todd M. Miller) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>"Early Diffusion and Folk Uses of Hemp" by Sula Benet contained
>in the book Cannabis and Culture; Rubin, Vera ed., Aldine, Chicago, 1975
>ISBN 90-279-7669-4 (Mouton publishers).  
[more stuff deleted]
>	Herodotus, in the fifth century B.C., observed that the Scythians 
>	used the plant to purge themselves after funerals by throwing hemp 
>	seeds on heated stones to create a thick vapor, inhaling the smoke 
>	and becoming intoxicated.  "The Scythians howl with joy for the 
>	vapour bath" (Herodutos,IV:142).  To the western world, Herodotus' 
>	account is the earliest source of knowledge of the ritual use of 
>	cannabis".

No, I'm sorry but hemp/cannabis seeds contain NONE of the active ingredients
THC,CBD,CBN. I can assure you that many an attempt has been made to get high
by using seeds and it absolutely, definitely does nothing.

>
>
>							Yours,
>
>							Todd M. Miller
>--


Lee.
lee@muppet.bt.co.uk

DISCLAIMER:
If you seriously think my employer has anything to do with my writings then;
congratulations ! its people like you that make it neccesary for messages like 
"Do NOT put children or animals into this microwave oven"
Xref: sparky talk.politics.drugs:5796 alt.drugs:14588
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Child killed by exploding seed? TRUE or NOT?
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:12:53 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <DFL.92Aug12083926@aeolus.think.com> dfl@aeolus.think.com (David Lively) writes:

>P.S. I've heard that LSD makes horns grow from the user's head within 7
>trips.  Is this true?

Yeh, but they disappear again after 14 more trips. So don't let
it bother you.-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: pat@fitz.uucp (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: cars seized in oakland
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: talk
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:04:31 GMT

"tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com> writes:

>Quoth Dougm concerning CARS SEIZED IN OAKLAND on 08-15-92:

>D >Oakland drug users now have something to worry about besides prison,
>D >overdoses and track marks.  Local police, acting in coordination with
>D >the FBI, are seizing the cars of suspected drug buyers in an attempt
>D >to curb crime in the drug-plagued California city.

>It's happening now in Washington Heights, Manhattan, now too.

Here in Madison, AL, the fun thing to do is to burst into a local "drug
den" (typically, some seedy restaurant) and search the place.  Sometimes
strip-search everybody.  Sometimes get dressed up in nifty ninja costumes
for even more fun.

Lets rename the whole thing the "Drug Crusades" or the "Drug Inquisition"
or the "Drug Jihad" or ...
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Cannabis/Cannabalism
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:09:17 GMT

In article <tmiller.713793006@camms1.caos.kun.nl> tmiller@camms2.caos.kun.nl (Todd M. Miller) writes:
>So I have established that the Scythians were cannibals and that they used
>cannabis.

So?  You said the words came from the same root.  They did not.  Cannibals
probably drank their mother's breast milk when children, also.  It's a
meaningless connection.

>So you see, marijuana really is (or definitly was) used by 
>cannibals.  There is a lot more information of interest concerning mistakes
>made in interpreting original Hebrew text of the Old Testament in the work
>of Benet.  They point towards the validation of a hypothesis that marijuana
>is mentioned throughout the Old Testament.  

Yes, so what?  I would be surprised if marijuana WEREN'T mentioned in the
Old Testament.

If you want to connect word origins, try assassin and hashish.  These ARE
both from the same root.  This is also more germane to the discussion since
there ARE people who think marijuana and/or hashish can cause violent rages
in people.  I know of NO-ONE who thinks pot smokers eat human flesh.

So maybe you aren't an idiot -- but I stand by my statement that your
original post was idiotic.

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Armadillo: to provide weapons to a Spanish pickle
From: markr@seqp4.sequoia.com (Mark Roddy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Cannabis/Cannabalism
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:23:52 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.



Oh come off it. Everyone knows that if you smoke pot you'll start
eating people. Or maybe if you eat a person you'll start smoking
pot. That must be it. We really ought to ban cannibalism because it
obviously leads directly to cannabisism. 

Excuse me I see one of my children over there and I just got very
hungry. Gotta go.






-- 
-Mark Roddy
Sequoia Systems, Inc.          (508) 480-0800 x1284
markr@seqp4.sequoia.com        m2c!seqp4!markr
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: tmiller@camms2.caos.kun.nl (Todd M. Miller)
Subject: Re: Cannabis/Cannabalism
Keywords: pot
Organization: University of Nijmegen
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:44:39 GMT

phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:

>In article <tmiller.713174128@camms1.caos.kun.nl> tmiller@camms2.caos.kun.nl (Todd M. Miller) writes:
>>Now is it just a strange coincidence that these two words have the same
>>root?  No, it is not.  Cannabals use Cannabis.

>Now isn't it just a strange coincidence that idiots post idiotic things to
>the net?  No, it is not.  Idiots post idiotic things.

>Form the Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary:

>	can.na.bis \'kan-<schwa>-b<schwa>s\  n [L, hemp, fr. Gk _kannabis_;
>		akin to OE _haenep_ hemp]

>	can.ni.bal \'kan-<schwa>-b<schwa>l\  n [NL _Canibalis_ Carib, fr. Sp
>		_Cani'bal_, fr. Arawakan _Caniba_, _Carib_, of Cariban origin;
>		akin to Carib _Galibi_ Caribs, lit., strong men]


>So "cannabis" is from the Greek word for hemp, whereas "cannibal" is from
>the Carib word for "strong men".

>Note that I am assuming that you were misspelling "cannibal" in your post.

>-Pete Zakel
> (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

       What's got you so upset?  Don't you think that cannibals used cannabis?
Or is it that you want marijuana legalized and you are afraid of this kind
of rumor or statement?  

       I have no fear that people who smoke pot today eat human flesh, do you?  
The cannibals/headhunters in the pacific islands north of Austrialia ate brains 
and their is plenty of marijuana growing in that part of the world.   Can't
we try to understand the fears surronding marijuana without being called
idiots?

	Here's something else, maybe you'll like this better:

If you believe that marijuana should be legal in the US because it doesn't
belong in the same class as other illicit drugs (as it now stands in the
law) then why haven't you suggested that it be discussed in a different 
newsgroup than these other drugs?  If you can't make the seperation / 
distinction how do you expect law makers to do it?

--

Xref: sparky talk.politics.drugs:5791 alt.drugs:14552
From: dfl@aeolus.think.com (David Lively)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Child killed by exploding seed? TRUE or NOT?
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:39:26
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
	<1992Aug10.130631.202271@uctvax.uct.ac.za>
NNTP-Posting-Host: aeolus.think.com
In-reply-to: brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za's message of 10 Aug 92 13:06:31 +0200

In article <1992Aug10.130631.202271@uctvax.uct.ac.za> brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

   In article <6016@ucru2.ucr.edu>, nilesd@foxx.ucr.edu (niles rowland) writes:
   > In article <1992Aug7.090618.969@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
   >>[...]
   >>Do opponents of drug prohibition favor it for guns?  It seems to me that most
   >>of the prudential arguments against prohibition apply to both things.
   >>
   > Just the other day I was reading where a young child was killed when
   > the youngster found a joint in his parents' bedroom...seems a seed
   > was neglected during the cleaning process and it 'blew up' while the 
   > kid was smoking it...
   > 
   > niles

   I really cannot believe this.  I've seen seeds explode and it has never even
   been violent enough to destroy the cigarette.  These are seeds not explosives!

Must've been laced with strychnine - I think Bob Marley died the same way.

David

P.S. I've heard that LSD makes horns grow from the user's head within 7
trips.  Is this true?

P.P.S. Hey!  This blather doesn't belong on talk.politics.drugs!
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: A distinction between Soft and Hard drugs
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:03:44 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

tmiller@camms2.caos.kun.nl (Todd M. Miller) writes:
>
>
>I have no quarrel with individuals who feel the way you do, but we must
>examine the facts.  I don't know how much you realize it but there is 
>a possibility that if LSD were legal someone could put some in your
>drink without you knowing it.  In fact this has happened to me twice in
>my lifetime that I'm aware of (after the fact of course) while it has been
>illegal.  True, someone can poison you too, but LSD has quite a different
>result.  You must see that the controlled substances acts are there to 
>protect you from other people, and not necessarily to protect you from
>yourself.

     If you want to protect me from others, make very strong laws against
dosing other people w/out their permission. Drug use is like sex - if
it's with consent, it's great; if it's without consent, it's a very
serious and very heinous crime. Should we outlaw sex to stop rape? I
think not!

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From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)
Subject: Re: Summary: Russia-India deal
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:52:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park
Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu

In article <YeZEg7200VAw01h2Vm@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Larrison says that India has nuclear weapons and has tested them.
>
>India conducted one nuclear explosion, in 1974. According to the books in
>the Carnegie Mellon Library, the device was too large to be transported in
>a military aircraft and can hardly be called a weapon. The device was a
>plutonium device, India doesn't have the technology to enrich uranium.
>According to the books here (will real experts comment please ?), plutonium
>bombs are tricky and designs need to be verified by tests (unlike uranium
>bombs which one can be fairly sure of without testing), and that India at
>most has a stock of bomb-grade plutonium and a library of possible designs
>that can be put together for testing in six months or so. (Experts, please
>comment.)

To assume Indian bomb design has stood still is questionable. Nuclear weapons
would serve as a proper counter to Chinese aggression.

Implosion weapons (plutonium bombs, if you prefer) are more technically
challenging, but not that difficult. It is widely assumed several nations
(including Pakistan, Israel, and South Africa) have built weapons without
"public" testing. 

If you have bomb-grade fissionables stockpiled, you can put together a weapon
in far far less than six months. It has been suggested India is playing the
same semantic games Israel does, and may only take a screwdriver to assemble
the all the (stockpiled and machined) parts. 

[other nationalistic defensive zealotry cut...]

Trying to paint Mr. Larrison as a tool of the Evil First World Propaganda
Machine is, well, amusing. 


                 Support U.N. military force against Serbia

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Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:46:07 -0400 
From: "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Russia/India Sanctions


A question on Wales Larrison's article:



>While the
>funding organizations in the Indian government for the two programs
>are different, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. manufactures both the Agni
>and SLV/ASLV within the same factory.   

This is what is of most interest (and why I think you are talking through
the top of your hat ). Please name what parts of the SLV and Agni are 
being built in Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. :  the propellant ? the rocket
casing ? the inertial navigation system ?   ..... Or is the the overall
assembly
only ? -- please be precise.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu








Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA