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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = Self Determination
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:45:19 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: ba.politics

In article <SLAGLE.92Jul24235405@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) wrote:
> 
> In article <athos-170792113154@athos.apple.com>, athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
> 
> > Fine, but abortion is not, contrary to whatever the Supreme Court says, a
> > fundamental right set out in the constitution.  I have a copy right here in
> > front of me, and it is simply not in there.  Period.
> 
> You misunderstand the Constitution then.  The right
> in question is not NOT in there, that means the Feds 
> cannot infringe upon that right.  The Constitution
> doesn't spell out what you, as a citizen can and can't
> do, it spells out what the government can't do to you.
> The government can't interfere with your conduct unless
> the Constitution says it can, not the other way around.
> --
> ----
> Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
> 408-756-0895                                   USA

Sure it does.  It says that people cannot infringe on the rights of others.
 Therefore, you do not have the right to infringe on the childs right to
"Life."
--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Fear or loathing?  So what?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:48:31 GMT

In article <kgmmp0.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <nr1ehag@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>    >In article <6zlm4fn.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil
>    >Ronzone) writes:
>    >
>    >>No, this is not what I said, although close, it is quite
>    >>different. To rephrase, I want control over who and what my
>    >>daughter associates with.
>    >>
>    >What are you going to do when 8 years from now, your daughter
>    >tells you that she is a lesbian?
>
>As it is unlikely that an 11 year old female can "determine" such a case,
>I could only say that my reaction would be the ssame, Jeff, if your
>(hypothetical) son told you, 8 years from now, that he is a skinhead
>ethnic-stomping neo-NAZI: Like, "oh shit ...", and then seek counseling for
>'em.

Okay, I thought your daughter was 8, not three.

I will ask the question again... I expect an answer.

What are you going to do when your 16 year old daughter tells you she
is a lesbian.


>I eagerly await your predictable response. :-)


I cannot wait to see how you answer this one without looking like a bozo.



no ;-)



FWA
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: aerospace people invited to meet dianne feinstein
Keywords: feinstein, aerospace, engineers
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:00:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.015708.1193@riacs.edu> white@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Susan White RTM) writes:
>
>Hosted by
>California Chapter of Women in Aerospace  Meeting
>
>A DIALOGUE WITH DIANNE FEINSTEIN

Go ahead and support someone who wants to take handguns away from
other women while keeping her own guns.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = Self Determination
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:33:44 GMT
Followup-To: ba.politics
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Jul28.214558.2948@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
zursch@whizkid.corp.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) wrote:

> In all honesty, I think this issue is currently under Constitutional debate by the
> people and the "Real Question" has to do with whether or not the baby is a human
> life *and* whether or not we have a right to reproductive freedom. Personally, I 
> say yes to both. I think abortion snuffs out a human life and I believe that women
> should have the right to snuff out the life they are carrying in their body because
> we should not force people into reproducing against their will. For the last 20 years,
> we have retained the right for a woman to have a legal abortion. You may want to 
> limit or deny that right, and that's why we have this national debate. 

Yes, that is why we have this debate.  You believe it's a life and have no
problem with the killing.  I do.  I am one who thinks that real choice
happens as a man and woman sleep together.  THAT is where reproductive
freedom happens.  1.7 million abortions last year.  And don't even THINK to
tell me about failure of birth control because most of those abortions were
by people who didn't think about BC because they didn't have to.

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
I don't speak for Apple.  Really, I don't.
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Fear or loathing?  So what?
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:09:42 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <92094@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
    >>Of course, you are still unable to face the fact that some
    >>people (if polls are to be believed, about 60% of "some"
    >>people) do not like homosexuals and homsexuality.
    >>
    >And most of those people believe so as an act of faith.
    >
    >>But most of those are perfectly willing to live and let live,
    >>something that if the net is to be believed (to be a
    >>represenative sample of all homosexuals, which I doubt)
    >>homosexuals are not prepared to do.
    >>
    >So tell us Phil, why oh why do think homosexuality is
    >disgusting? Is it an act of faith to you, too? Do you want to
    >live in a segregated society all of your life?

I never said homosexuality is disgusting.

As you are unable to understand the difference between dislike and disgust
and phobia, we aren't going to get very far in a discussion on the net.

Then again, does anybody every get anywhere on any net discussion? But
I disgress.

You can fuck sheep as far as I care. Just make sure that they are your sheep.

But, I don't want my children exposed to sheep fuckers. It is that simple.

I don't like lima beans -- thinking of eating them can make me naseous.
But I don't think lima beans in and of themselves are disgusting. Nor do I
call for segregation of lime bean eaters.

Do what you want, as long as it is with adults and non-coercive.

And extend to me the same.

You raise your kids your way, and I'll raise mine my way.

Why can't you accept this?

WHy are you so intent on being a part of my life? Surely it is not
because you secretly admire my sterling personality?


-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

The continuing discussion in alt.ketchup is really disgusting. All proper
right thinking volitional entities *know* ketchup is always served cold.
Exceptions for battlefield dining could be made if you must ...

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Say no more, I know what you mean ...
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:28:50 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <g4mm2_k.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>In article <92099@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>None of us has ever claimed that to be heterosexual is wrong,
>>disgusting, etc.

>Neither Clayton or I have claimed this about homosexuality.

Not true. As I just recently refreshed our collective memory, you
found it "very disgusting", and Clayton found it to be immoral
in the eyes of his Church.
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: zursch@whizkid.corp.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = Self Determination
Reply-To: zursch@whizkid.corp.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Organization: SGI TechPubs
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:26:46 GMT

In article <0bEe03P0469C00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, James Preston writes:
>I have to agree with Mr. Eames that there is no right to abortion nor a
>right to privacy explicitly stated in the Constitution.  There is also
>nothing in the document that I can construe as to giving Federal government 
>the power to prohibit the states from making abortion illegal.  Therefore, 
>much as I am strongly pro-choice, I find myself forced to say that I believe 
>that the original Roe vs. Wade decision was CONSTITUTIONALLY incorrect.

While the original decision may well have been constitutionally incorrect, I 
submit that a right to have an abortion, and more generally a right to privacy
in personal affairs, has been retained by the people under the 9th amendment. 

JZ
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Pro-abortion's view on life:
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:01:09 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

So on the record, when do the pro-abortion people think human life begins?
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Fear or loathing?  So what?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:40:37 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <nr1ehag@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <6zlm4fn.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>>I want control over who and what my daughter associates with.

>What are you going to do when 8 years from now, your daughter tells you
>that she is a lesbian?

Unless he wants to be accused of hypocrisy, he had better not associate with
her in that case. Or he could do something far more useful. Like think
really, REALLY hard about why he is so adamant about homosexuals being
bad role models. He might surprise himself, Jeff.
From: fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM (Rich Schiavi)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Where is Clinton today?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:52:39 GMT
Reply-To: fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: radgumbo.corp.sun.com

Can anyone post where and what time Clinton will
be in San Francisco today (7/27)?

Thanks,

---
Rich Schiavi
fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM
From: jazanopa@ntmtv.UUCP (Patricia Jazanoski)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = Self Determination
Reply-To: jazanopa@ntmtv.UUCP (Patricia Jazanoski)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.213657.6532@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>
>I, for one, am hoping that medical
>science quickly develops a method to transplant embryos from women to
>men.  Then, all those men showing up at protests at abortion clinics
>can instead spend their time acting as surrogate mothers for all those
>unwanted embryos.

I agree. But meanwhile, back at the protest line, if someone is 
adamently Pro-Life and can't accept the thought of someone having an 
abortion I challenge them do something about it ==> adopt the child. 
Give money to organizations that *help* women and their children.
Be there to help for (at least) the next 18 years.  Put your $$ where
your mouth is.

The economics of raising a child is an important issue!!
(this is not to discount other issues)

[setenv RANTING ON ]
Provide *everyone* will adequate child care, health care, safe cities, 
affordable housing, good schools, access to higher education, etc.
Provide equal access in the workplace, and a pay scale that does
not discriminate on sex. Provide a society where most men choose
to be an active member of their household, and perform chores, etc. etc
[setenv RANTING OFF  ]

Personally, I will always feel that a woman should choose what
is best for her, but why don't pro-lifers make their "choice" more 
desirable? (instead of concentrating on what "you can't" do!)

Patti Jazanoski

disclaimer: I stole the adoption idea from a woman Republican who is
challenging her party's stance on the issue.
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = (my change: infanticide masked)
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:19:05 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Well if you like Penumbras and emanations, then Roe vs. Wade has
legal merit.

Well the daughter of the person in Roe vs. Wade is now about 20, and
the mother still thinks that she should have had the right to that
abortion?  Good grief!
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Abortion Rights = Self Determination
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:50:17 GMT
Followup-To: ba.politics
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <4944@gold.gvg.tek.com>, mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P.
Anderson) wrote:

> 	Rick. Buddy.
> 
> 	RU-486 is on the way.
> 		
> 		Now what are you gonna do?

Protest and make the life of store owners a living hell, the same way that
other protestors do.

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,su.jobs,su.market
From: petaluma@leland.Stanford.EDU (Albert Chan)
Subject: Lab Assistant Position Available
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: su, ba
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:33:38 GMT



Lab Assistant job available in research laboratory at Stanford Medical School.
15-20 hours/week from now thru the end of September.  Possibility to
continue thru upcomming school year @ 8-10 hours/week.  Responsibilities
include media & buffer preparation, aliquoting sterile solutions, and
autoclaving glassware.  $7.16 / hour.

If interested, contact Marilyn Travis, 415-723-7855.
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: conrad@well.sf.ca.us (C. Conrad Cady)
Subject: SmallTalk or C++ with small company in Sebastopol
Organization: Cady Technical Support Services, 707-763-6635
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:33:17 GMT

Overview:
  Looking for someone in Sebastopol, CA who can help develop a computer product
  quickly and accurately.  Please, no recruiters.

Who are we?
  We are a small company who needs to get rolling on creating a new product.
  We have the ideas, and now we need help getting the product written.  We'd
  like it to be in SmallTalk/V or C++.  It should run under DOS or Windows.
  We are a group of three people (me, the president, and the assistant.)
  Our product is intended for the corporate user and will be portable to
  other platforms.

Who am I?
  I'm the "chief programmer."  I used to work as a consultant at Arthur
  Andersen.  I am responsible for developing the product, given some
  specifications from the president who knows the subject matter that the
  program covers.  I am starting to get overloaded--I do not have enough time
  to handle all the programming as well as the general computer needs of our
  company (testing software, setting up networks, writing reviews.)

Who are you?
  You are an experienced SmallTalk and/or C++ programmer.  You understand
  expert systems and are familiar with expert systems tools such as Aion and
  KBMS.  You'd like to work in Sebastopol, CA.  You are familiar with OS/2,
  networks, and PC databases.
  You have successfully implemented a commercial software package from start
  to finish and would like to do so again.  You can work long hours under time
  pressure and can handle many tasks at once.
  You are interested in becoming an important part of a successful company.

What do you do now?
  Call Conrad at 707-829-1881 (business hours) or 707-763-6635 (other waking
  hours) and e-mail your text resume to conrad@well.sf.ca.us.
-- 
C. Conrad Cady, conrad@well.sf.ca.us
Cady Technical Support Services, Inc., Petaluma, CA  707-763-6635
My opinions represent my employer.
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: peterh@netcom.com (Peter John Harrison)
Subject: Russian immigrant seeks programming position
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:07:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I'm posting this on the behalf of a friend who emmigrated from Russia
earlier this year.

Ellen (actually E-len-YA) has a B.S. degree from Leningrad Technical 
Institute in Computer Science (1991), and is looking for an entry level
programming position somewhere here in the S.F. Bay Area.

She has worked with C, Fortran, Xbase (Clipper), and other languages,
but has a particular interest in getting into graphics programming.  
She's very intelligent and learns quickly - as evidenced by the fact
that when she arrived here about six months ago she didn't speak 
English, but now speaks quite well.  Currently she is also taking a
class in X-Windows from Berkeley. 

She doesn't expect a high-paying position, just something to help her
get her foot in the door.  If you're looking to fill an entry-level
position, or would have a slot open but not much money, it might be
worthwhile to talk with her or look at her resume.

If you are interested, please e-mail me with your address and/or phone
number, and I'll pass it on to her next Thursday (30/July/92), or when 
next I see or speak with her or her family.

Thanks,
peterh@netcom.com
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: kw@c3.PLA.CA.US (Kang Wang)
Subject: *** Sofa, Chairs, and Refrigerators for sale ***
Organization: C-Cube Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:53:52 GMT


Posted for a friend. Please contact the number below, don't respond to this
account. Thanx!!

1.  Two sets 3-seat sofa			$600.00/bo for each set.

2.  Two general leather sofa chairs & ottoman	$400.00/bo.

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From: petra@beachbum.Corp.Sun.COM (Petra Davis, (My life is in Control) x67276)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: POsition for Prep & Dinner Cook
Date: 24 Jul 1992 18:55:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: petra@beachbum.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: beachbum.corp.sun.com

Friends of mine own and operate a nice restaurant in Mountain View.  They are
currently looking for a Prep and Dinner cook.  They ask that interested people
apply in person.  They are closed on Sundays and Mondays.  

Apply at:  185 Castro Street
           Mountain View


Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: kw@c3.PLA.CA.US (Kang Wang)
Subject: ***Sorry for posting sales ads here, help me cancel it***
Organization: C-Cube Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:07:44 GMT

I am so sorry for posting a sales ad. here. I thought I was posting at
ba.market.misc. I tried to cancel that JOKE in this newsgroup. However, I
can not find it any more. Is there anybody can tell me how to find it and
cancel it? Thanx in advance. I really feel so sorry that I waste everybody's
time and net bandwidth.

Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: by355@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael P. Otto)
Subject: Looking for Tech job!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:45:03 GMT


I'm desparately in need of a job in the St. Charles (preferably)

or St. Louis area.  I have had several years experience working

with PC's (configuring, installing, diagnosing problems, etc.),

and am also very fluent with LANtastic.  I have mailed out more

than 30 resumes, and am not having any luck.  I am looking for

a position as an in-house technician/analyst in a company's MIS

department, or as an in-house technician in a local service center

or computer store.  If you have or know of an opening that isn't

either of these positions, but is still related to computers, feel

free to go ahead and let me know.  I'll look into anything at this

point.

 

As an alternative career, I would be interested in getting into

photography, specifically news photos for newspapers and magazines.

 If anyone has any information on companies needing freelancers

or staff posisitions, please let me know.

 

Thanks for any help.
From: sj@silma.com (Suzanne)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Help! - Thinking about contracting
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:38:51 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silma Inc

I would love to work independently.  Can anyone
tell me the pluses and minuses of contracting?
I know that some agencies bill you out differently
if you want benefits.  But, what else is there to
know?

Do you get interesting work?  Do you escape company
politics?  Is most of the work government-related?
What are the best agencies?  Do only wizzes go out
on their own w/o an agency?

I have one friend who's an independent contractor, but
she does payroll systems and such.  I'm a software engineer
type, not an analyst type.

Thanks for any help/advice/insight.  Hope this is the right
news group.

----------------------------
sj@silma.com
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.contract,biz.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered
From: jeffs@netcom.com (Jeff Saxton)
Subject: Contract C Prog Job in SF Area
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:37:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Followup-To: root@tangent.COM
Distribution: ba
Keywords: offered contract job C programmer


Tangent Computer Inc. of Burlingame CA currently has an immediate
opening for an Expert C programmer with experiance in the following areas:

	1) SCO Unix Device Driver Experiance
	2) Raw file access programming for Database Apps.
	3) Database theory

Minimum 6 years VERIFIABLE experiance, references REQUIRED

Respond to Tangent Computer Inc. 415-342-9388x145 (Ron Perkes)
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jeff Saxton					Internet: jeffs@netcom.COM
44 N. San Mateo Dr. #1					  root@tangent.COM
San Mateo, CA 94001					  800.223.6677.110
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: matty@cure.Corp.Sun.COM (Scott Mattoon)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Software Support, Sun, Mountain View
Date: 21 Jul 1992 21:55:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: matty@cure.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cure.corp.sun.com


SUN MICROSYSTEMS - SOFTWARE SUPPORT - Mountain View, CA.

Sun's North American Solution Center has an immediate position for a 
Technical Support Account Management Engineer.  Responsiblities include 
assisting specific strategic accounts via telephone and occasional site 
visits.  Will work as part of a team to provide solutions to customers 
in all Sun software product areas.  Requirements include: BSCS or 
equivalent; 2+ years of system administration or support experience; 
strong organizational skills; broad knowledge of current open systems
technologies; effective communication skills.  Onsite customer support
experience a plus.

Please email, FAX or send your resume to:

	Scott Mattoon
	Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation
	2700 Coast Rd.
	M/S MTV07-03
	Mountain View, CA 94043

	Scott.Mattoon@Corp.Sun.COM
	FAX #: 415-960-0572


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From: ssimmons@red.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Simmons [CONTRACTOR])
Newsgroups: sun.jobs,ba.jobs.misc,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: JOB OPPORTUNITY AT SUN MICROSYSTEMS, INC.
Keywords: DOCUMENT COORDINATOR
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:20:38 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: red

We are looking for an experienced document coordinator to be responsible for leading and directing the document control staff, project reports, develope procedures and set up electronic files and systems for world wide distribution of engineering drawings. 

Document control and lead experience of 5 years. Detail and organizational skills a must. Knowledge of Sun software, UNIX, Sybase, and Utool is preferred.

FOR MORE INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT:

SCOTT SIMMONS
phone 415-336-3844
fax 415-336-2423
C/O SUN MICROSYSTEMS, INC.
2550 GARCIA AVE.
MT. VIEW, CA. 94043
M/S 16-07