HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rachellm@unvax.union.edu (Morgan T. Rachell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: looking for a summer job
Summary: I am a college Soph looking for a job
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:43:03 GMT
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY

I am a Sophomore at Union College, a small liberal arts college in 
Schenectady, NY.  I have taken courses in Pascal and its advanced data
structures.  My major is Computer Information Systems - a cross between 
Computer Science and Economics.  I am looking for a job on Long Island or 
New York City that requires a little programming, but does not revolve 
around it.  I have experience in networking offices, setting up workstations,  doing small- and large-scale wiring projects, and small repairs of IBMs and 
Macs as well as troubleshooting many small problems that may arise aroung the
office.  

I am easy to get along with, I have a great sense of humor, and
I am EAGER TO LEARN!!!  I will be able to work from July 1 until September 1.
I have great references from both past and current employers.  All you have to
do is E-mail me and find out what an asset I can be to you.

Morgan Rachell
rachellm@unvax.union.edu
95_rachellm@gar.union.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: the second interview, continued
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:41:51 GMT

I've read about this "second interview" stuff, but have never actually run
across an employer who even mentioned the concept.

>>>This depends on the company.  Here in Silicon Valley, noone (candidates
>>>or interviewers) wears suits to interviews (except at IBM).

I recently interviewed in Mountain View.  The people were for the most part
dressed casually, but since nobody said a word to me about dressing for the
interview, I wore the suit.  Several people over the course of the day
expressed suprise at my suitedness, saying things like "Didn't anyone tell
you not to wear a suit?"

I also interviewed not long ago at a financial place on Wall Street in NYC.
[Yes, you read that correctly]  It was absolutely required there that
men wear a suit all day, every day.  I was told, among other things, that
my socks were too light, and that I'd have to get darker ones.  Of course,
I was also told that I'd have to cut my hair off.

>wears blue jeans and holey sneakers, or at a Fortune 100 - I wear my
>best suit,

While the concept of owning more than one suit is kinda strange to me,
I agree with the idea that wearing a suit to an interview is generally
the best policy.  Even if the company doesn't require that employees
"dress up", the hiring people might think less of one's professionalism
if one shows up for an interview dressed comfortably.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: reddy@seas.smu.edu (N. Urimindi)
Subject: Re: Interview
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:34:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.001025.14658@vela.acs.oakland.edu> asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK) writes:
>Hi folks
>
>I had recently posted a question on how to answer some interview questions
>like Tell me about urself.? I had recieved lot responses from the readers
>I thank u all,I just attended an interview, I would like to post some of
>the general questions asked.
>
>Q1. What are ur strengths  & Weakness ?
>  Weakness is a tricky one.
Strengths: You can talk about strengths for an hour. You should know what your strengths are. You can say excellent leadership qualities with examples (If you ever had lead a team etc), Technical excellence (with good GPA if you have, otherwise shut up), Computer skills, blah blah....Again it depends on the job.

Weakness: Here comes the problem. You can turn some of your strengths as weaknesses. Like 1.Little over confident, 2.Worry about deadlines, 3.Never got a chance to prove my self, 4. Too much involved in the work there by sacrificing entertainment etc.

>
>Q2. What do u forsee urself in 10 years from now.?
I don't know how to answer this question. 10 years is a pretty long time. Anything can happen in between. It depends whether you want to be on the technical or management side.
>
>Q3. Why do u think i should hire u?
Say that your are experienced (if you are). Depending on the job, try to differentiate between you and the other candidates, even though you don't know anything about the other applicants. Say that your background fits verywell with the job. Give some exaples that describes your abilities.
>
>Q4. Which do u prefer working in a group or alone ?
>
I am flexible to work either in a group or alone.
>
>These were some of the questions asked.
>
>
>Thanks.
>bye for now
>
>athi
>-- 
>_________________________________________________________________________
>athi			
>_________________________________________________________________________
>

Netters please add your comments or some more responses to the above questions.

Reddy
From: meltsner@crd.ge.com (Kenneth J. Meltsner)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: the second interview
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:35:20 GMT
Reply-To: meltsner@crd.ge.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Research and Development Center




In article <crb2.721598278@Ra.MsState.Edu>, crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad
R. Berthelson) writes:

|>I just came back from a second interview (plant trip), out of state..
|>BUT I know there is 1 position open and 4 people where plant tripped.
|>
|>that means that all things equal, I have a 25% chance of that job 
|>(and that assumes that one of the four WILL get the job, which
|>I am sure is probably the case).  That's a long way from 90%, but
|>I still have my fingers crosses (BTW this was a big company with
|>like 1400 employees at the sight of the interview, with several other
|>sights...).

Chance has nothing to do with it at this point.  The company will
evaluate you, and the other candidates, against absolute standards and
against one another.  If none of you rate, they will continue to
search for someone who does.  When you get to the plant trip stage,
statistics are not as critical -- a "walk-on-water" candidate may have
a job created for him or her, a pack of dullards will all be rejected.

Besides, a second interview may not be the end of the process; we
often have a third so we can make sure the candidate is right for the
job, and not simply the best we can find at the moment.

As an aside, I hope you had someone check all of your correspondence
with this company; in this era of "total quality," consistents errors
in usage, grammar, or spelling will reflect badly upon you.  And I
certainly hope you sent a thoughtful thank-you letter to the host for
your plant trip.

===============================================================================
Ken Meltsner                        | meltsner@crd.ge.com (518) 387-6391
GE Research and Development Center  | Fax:  (518) 387-6474
P.O. Box 8, Room KWD270		    | Nothing I say should be attributed
Schenectady, NY 12301               | to my employer, and probably vice-versa
Bookcase Progress: **********-------------------------------------------------|
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Re: Postings by non-online "Online Career Ctr"
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:20:08 GMT

In article <4029@phred.UUCP> harryb@phred.UUCP writes:
>In article 1dmivdINNbo1@nigel.msen.com, wwarren@msen.com (Online Career Ctr) writes:
>>
>>***
>> 
>>For more information about these exciting jobs, call or send
>>your resume (NO ONLINE RESPONSES PLEASE) to Mr. Jan M. Ackerman,
>>ABRAXAS International Inc., 950 South Winter Park Drive, Dept OC,
>>Casselberry, Florida 32707, (800) 767-8704 FAX (407) 260-0590.
>
>In the last few days, twenty-eight postings to misc.jobs.offered having this apparent misnomer in them have been made by this originator.  To me, calling itself an "Online Career Ctr" while refusing online responses reflects somewhat adversely on the originator's credibility.
>
>Would anyone else find it useful to have the  "NO ONLINE RESPONSES" on the subject line?


Yes.  One strong vote in the affirmative.
From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: ATTENTION! Software Engineers!
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:25:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxEzFA.Hpp.2
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon Univ, Nectar Project

clifto@indep1.uucp writes:
   >6. What might one expect in salary at entry level?

   Depends on area.  In Chicago, $16000 to $22000 is about right.

This really surprises me.  In 1981, my starting salary in my first job
out of college was ~$23K.  Has the entry-level market been essentially
stale in terms of advancement with inflation/COL for more than a decade?

(If region is important, that was in the Denver/Boulder area.)

--karl
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: they really want SALARY HISTORY
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:51:28 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <BxC29y.FD5.2@cs.cmu.edu> msm@mse.cmu.edu (Mark S McWhinney) writes:
>The snide comments about academics in my early postings should
>indicate that I am frustrated with Ph.D.s (and others) that have no
>clue as to what goes on in industry.  The well meaning but ignorant
>comments about salary histories from people who have never had a real
>carrer in industry only serve to annoy even more.

   Let's look at this phrase, because it shows the biases and, yes,
ignorance of the poster: "well meaning but ignorant.. people who have
never had a real career in industry."
   Firstly, how do you assess the knowledge and experiences of these
people?  Do you know them, and are you familiar with the sum total
of their knowledge and experiences?  If not, why label them ignorant?
   Secondly, what makes a career in "industry" any more or less valid
than one in, say, education, research, manufacturing, crafts, domestic
work, etc?  Perhaps your value system is skewed.
   Thirdly, how can you tell exactly what careers these people have
had?  If one were to make blind assumptions, one would be tempted to
assume that people like you and me are just whining, inexperienced
academics (or >gasp!< "just" students), since we post from educational
institutions.  What would we know of the "real" world?  I *know* they'd
be wrong in my case, just as I suspect they'd be wrong in your case.
However, you seem to be falling into the same trap.  You should know
better.
   There have been many real-life examples which show that salary
history is a questionable tool for determining the worth of an applicant.
So far, the opposing argument has been mostly based on the rather flimsy
basis the the proponents of salary history simply know better than
the opponents.  I remain unconvinced.
   I believe it is unreasonable to expect a job candidate to provide
a salary history without equal disclosure of salary potential from
the job offerer.  At an interview, I'll gladly reveal my salary history
to anyone who is truly interested in hiring me, provided he/she reveal
to me the pay rate or range for similar positions in their company,
and provided I get a chance to discuss any extenuating circumstances
concerning my salary history.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: v_vinog@pavo.concordia.ca (VINOGRADOV, VLADIMIR)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Canadian engineer looks for job in UK, Europe, Russia
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:51:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



I am an engineer (masters): Ghz telecommunications, hardware, 
video, audio (analogue and digital), cinematography, internal 
combustion engines. 20 years of experience, 18 years of 
enthusiasm. English, Russian, French. Apartment in Moscow and 
lots of connections (personal, professional, busuiness) in 
Russia. Will be able to avert expensive falures due to unique 
Russian business mentality and scruples (often lack thereof).
Candian citizen. t. 514 683 71 55. 11 Valmount, Dollard, Quebec
H9B 2T8 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: USENET Salary Survey
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:44:42 GMT

Has anyone ever toyed with the idea of maintaining a salary survey on 
usenet?  I was thinking that we could post a message here every month
asking for participants.  Folks could mail their salary and job title
to the person who maintains this proposed survey and a summary is posted
each month.

I've always been convinced that sharing such information is in 
everyone's best interest.  Is anyone else interested in collaborating?
We've got a marvelous resource here for doing it...

And you know what would make this really, really interesting is if
we could collect information about what various companies pay for
various jobs.  What power this would give to prospective employees!!!!
Of course, all this would be done in a fashion to protect the anonimity
of each reporting employee.

Here's the info I think could be collected:

Job Title		Salary	  	Geographic Location	Company
Chief Bottle Washer	$30,000		Philadelphia		Bottles R Us

Maybe having # of years experience would be appropos as well.  I dunno.
So, what do we misc.job.misc'ers think of this idea?  Please post your
replies if possible, I get FAR too much e-mail as it is.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: USENET Salary Survey
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:24:49 GMT

In article <BxMALB.IBE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, purple@emcdec1.ece.uiuc.edu ( ) writes:
=)|> 
=)|> Now, the operative question: WHO IS VOLUNTEERING TO COLLECT, ORGANIZE,
=)|> AND DISTRIBUTE THIS DATABASE???????
=)
=)Why me.  If you wish to post anonymously, send your information to me.
=)I will post it without your name.
=)
=)Anonymous info: Job description, Salary (Yearly before taxes and rough
=)estimate of hourly or an average of hours pre week you spend for your
=)yearly), Geographic location, and employer (not required)
=)
=)Please yield as much anonymous info as possible as it will help you and
=)others in your field.
=)
Keep in mind that, as with any medium-specific and/or voluntary polling
technique, there will be sampling error.  Some people will not respond
if they are embarassed about their salary being too low.  Some will
inflate to what they think they should be paid.  People working for small
companies are less likely to have mail and/or news access (note that both
are necessary to participate).  This may skew your results higher than
the actuall full-population numbers.

I still think it's a good idea, but you may want to include a paragraph
indicating the possiblilty of skewed results when you post.
-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "Johnson"                              |Just because you're paranoid doesn't|
| johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com |   mean they're not out to get you. |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Let's face it; if our lawyers knew what went on here, they'd shut us down.  |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Audio-Visual
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:35:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


   What good is it having a show, and not having the right equipment,
or someone experienced there to run it for you?????? I will deliver
and operate the equipment at you meeting, lecture, or seminar. I
handle sound systems, vhs-beta video, 35mm-16mm video, and much more.
I supply my own equipment.
-- 
        David Wright                   Internet:dfw po. cwru.ed
        Technician I- Tech. Services   Phone (216) 368-3779
        I.R.I.S Dept.
        Case Western Reserve University
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ehall@cmpny.sscnet.ucla.edu (Eric Hall)
Subject: Re: job seeker needs advice
Reply-To: ehall@cmpny.sscnet.ucla.edu (Eric Hall)
Organization: Network Computing Magazine
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:42:01 GMT

>  When I came to college, let us say that I really enjoyed going out to the
> bars and having a good time. Well the result of my taste for good times 
> led me to be arrested for driving while intoxicated. Not once but twice. I
> don't need to hear any preaching about this situation. I have seen the error
> in my ways and have made changes in my lifestyle which assure me of never 
> having this kind of trouble again. My question is this: On many job 
> applications there is a box which says have you ever been convicted of 
> a crime, or has your driver's license ever been suspended, or a variety
> of other embarassing questons. I am a good student, have made straight 

I'll tell you what my brother's parole officer told him (he sold pot):

"Lie through your teeth. They can't check, unless they look up the newspaper 
in the town where it happened."

Good luck.


Eric Hall
Dir, East Coast Labs
Network Computing Magazine
516-562-5288
From: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Subject: Re: Interview
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Reply-To: jtien@venice.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:27:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.001025.14658@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK) writes:
|> Hi folks
|> 
|> I had recently posted a question on how to answer some interview questions
|> like Tell me about urself.? I had recieved lot responses from the readers
|> I thank u all,I just attended an interview, I would like to post some of
|> the general questions asked.
|> 
|> Q1. What are ur strengths  & Weakness ?
|>   Weakness is a tricky one.
|> 
|> Q2. What do u forsee urself in 10 years from now.?
|> 
|> Q3. Why do u think i should hire u?
|> 
|> Q4. Which do u prefer working in a group or alone ?
|> 
|> 
|> These were some of the questions asked.
|> 
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> bye for now
|> 
|> athi
|> -- 
|> _________________________________________________________________________
|> athi			
|> _________________________________________________________________________
|> 

I completely agree that someone going into an interview should be fully
prepared to answer these faqs, I'd like to point out that some interviewers
intentionally skip these questions since everyone has a well-prepared answer
and the interviewer can extract much useful info (though one can still get 
something from the way it was answered.)

The point is that while one should be prepared to respond to these questions, one
must also be prepared to be asked a completely different set of questions and 
not be thrown off balance.

Just my two cents.

Joe Tien
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rpowell@seq.uncwil.edu (Richard Powell)
Subject: Re: CS salary anonymous
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:30:06 GMT

purple@emcdec1.ece.uiuc.edu ( ) writes:


>Full Time: Individual Contributor, database porting and value adds
>	   Tasks include platform specific error resolution and C
>	   programming

>Experience: 11 years, CS degree

>Salary: 55K


>Part Time: Motif/C programming for end-user applications

>Salary: $35/hour approx 20 hours/week


>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Paul R. Hayes


Where is the job located?  City and state.

Richard Powell
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: they really want SALARY
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:22:59 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <wf0ES4G00UhW81Rnsw@andrew.cmu.edu> Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>   Joel Plutchak writes:
>>   I believe it is unreasonable to expect a job candidate to provide
>>a salary history without equal disclosure of salary potential from
>>the job offerer.  At an interview, I'll gladly reveal my salary history
>>to anyone who is truly interested in hiring me, provided he/she reveal
>>to me the pay rate or range for similar positions in their company,
>>and provided I get a chance to discuss any extenuating circumstances
>>concerning my salary history.

>This calls to the mind another problem with revealing salary histories.
>It biases the hiring manager to exclude you if he/she feels you made
>more money in your last job than they're willing to pay. By judging you
>on your salary history up front, they're denying the employee the chance
>to say "hey, if the job is rewarding in other ways, I'm willing to take
>less money."

   That's right.  Unfortunately, I'm already in that category, so my
personal problem would be the opposite. ;-)
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney)
Subject: Cost of Living & Salaries in NW Florida?
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:16:00 GMT

I have a Unix System Adminstration job lead in Shalimar, Florida.
(Near Eglin AFB.)  What's the cost of living?  How about salary
ranges?

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: cdcolvin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Colvin)
Subject: Federal Job Posts, where?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:06:41 GMT


Is there a way to log onto a Federal system (TELNET or FTP) in order to
query job openings in the Federal Government?  It seems like the Federal
Jobs Digest must have access to Federal Jobs somewhere without having to
go to some GSA type office.  Do they have a direct connection, and can 
an ordinary "Joe" like me tap into that same resource?

Thanks for listening
CDC

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:55:40 GMT


>|> What do you do when you have a name of a person in some company, but you
>|> do not know whether it is a male or female? How do you address them in
>|> your covering letter ?

I've been worrying about this for some time.  While "Linda" is fairly likely
in the US to be female, it's difficult for many people in the US to make a
guess on names from other cultures, like "Urkmesh".  Many traditional grammar
books advise the use of Mr. when in doubt, but of late I've decided that the
best way is to render it moot:  Don't use either.  If I have to address a
letter to, say, someone named "Chris" or someone whose first name I don't
know, I do something like:

					April 1, 1911

Chris Cthulhu
Bighire, Inc.
P.O. Box 666
Sarnath, Leng, 00000-0000

Hello,

  I saw your ad ...


Even when I can guess the gender, it seems inappropriate to me to address
a stranger -- especially a male -- as "Dear".


>Having made some errors myself ("Mr. Leslie ..." turned out to be 
>"Ms. Leslie ..." :-) I'd suggest the one of followings:

In college I exchanged mail with a Leslie for over a semester before I found
out that she was a she -- being a Motorhead fan misleaded me.  When I got
out of school, I followed the stupid rule of using Mr. in doubt when I sent
a letter to someone who only listed a first initial.  When I do know that I'm
sending to a man or woman, I'll stick Mr. or Ms. on, but it seems to me that
the person should expect confusion if they don't supply either a form of
address or at least a first name.



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