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From: CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
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Subject: RE: veep debate predictions
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:55:00 GMT
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        I forgot to mention Gore.  I think that he should try to emphasize
things like there being no conflict between preserving the environment at
xxxand having a good economy, the problem being whether you have an economy
which is strong and environmentally safe or one which is strong and
environmentally destructive.  The second is the same as borrowing to spend
ala Bush, you are really stealing from your children.  He should also remind
everyone that we all breathe, drink, eat, and live in the environment, so there
isn't really a question of whether we should save it.  We have to.  He should
also try not to give the impression that environmental programs are going to
turn into an Orwellian nightmare.

                                        Chris
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Subject: Re: Aztecs
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:57:00 GMT
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        The sacrifice of Issac by Abraham is generally seen as a message from
God to the Jewish people:  Thank you, but I don't want you guys to do that
sort of thing anymore.  And it was one of those things that they used to
contrast themselves with the other peoples who still sacrificed human beings.
I think that the closest thing to human sacrifice these days is executions --
a kind of scapegoat ceremony.

                                        Chris Morrison
From: CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET (fred)
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Subject: health care in the real world
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:40:50 GMT
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The county has announced that it is eliminating 22 positions at the
court house. All of these positions are house keeping positions. The
work will be contracted out and the people have been offered positions
with the contractor. However, they will lose all of their health care
benefits.

fred
From: SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET (linda)
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Subject: Re: the kErry tickEt
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:08:00 GMT
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>This, of course leads to the important Irish question.  What position do the
>candidates take vis-a-vis Guiness?  The votes of the Irish community (ie, me)
>rest upon this answer.

the E tickEt has always considered the Irish question to be of great importance.
indeed, my children have irish blood on their father's side, so i have a
personal stake in this.

guiness beer is one of the finest in the world, and stout drinkers are admired
by all. my older son (over 21 of course) has discovered the benefits of drinking
stout on his own, and has made his entire family proud in his connoiseurship. he
also shows great restraint and has never become drunk.

this administration will continue on a national level, the care and concern that
i have shown in raising my own children, in both our treatment of the Irish
question and in making guiness available (and affordable) to all those citizens
who have come to know and respect this particular brew.

we have a national agenda to promote pubs in this country. we will make it
easier for those who wish to open pubs in the grande tradition of the Irish.

we also have a deep desire to promote the potato in this country and will be
tireless in our efforts to insure that all know the history and proper
spelling of that wonderful root we affectionately call "spud". i myself have
created over a 100 recipes using potatoes, and in our weekly chats over
the net, radio and tv, will pass along to the american public these easy and
nutritious meals.

>in Ireland as 'The Kingdom', so do the candidates have an ulterior,
>undemocratic motive in mind.....B-)

an astute observation. and one, i'm sure, the american people would like to see
investigated.

-linda suE saboE
the E-tickEt, wE carE
stEElE/saboE for prEsidEnts
From: CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
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Subject: Re: return of the international zionist freemason conspiracy from
              hell
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:12:00 GMT
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        Somebody has to get Missy back.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet

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From: jwales@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: return of the international zionist freemason conspiracy from hell
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:38:09 GMT


I hope we are all sufficiently appreciative that the good old
days are here and now.  I mean it!  Larry Stimely was a riot,
bOB was quite fun...  

But consider the current cast of fun characters...

Wow.

--Jimbo
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From:         MARTIN FOX <FOXML@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Did you vote for Carter

I was 2 years old in 1976.  I would have voted for Carter then, as well
as in 1980.  Carter was a damned fine president who had several major
difficulties which it would have been difficult for anyone to have dealt
with, and a character flaw which made it worse.
  The economic problems had been building up before and during Carter's
presidency, and he can't be blamed entirely for them.  The revolution in
Iran was a problem which could hardly have been taken care of without
going to war with Iran -- and at that time, this would have resulted in
a MAJOR cold war confrontation.
  Carter's political character flaw is A) He blamed the American people
for the energy crisis and asked them to be more responsible (The Malaise
Business)  -- to say something is the fault of America is not a popular
thing.  (Damn -- I'm late to class -- I'll write more later...

-Martin
From: CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
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Subject: RE: New York Presidential Poll
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:05:00 GMT
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        I think Giuliani is a scumbag and if I were Abrams I wouldn't want
his endorsement even if he were a Dem.  I heard (undocumented) that when they
had the police riot over the civilian review board, he went down and egged
them on, no doubt he would like to run for senator against Moynihan, or maybe
governor or mayor, but whatever he does it will be from the far right.

        But I also think that Abrams does owe an apology for those remarks.
He should apologize to the family of Goebbels for associating his name with
D'Amato's.

                                                Chris Morrison
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:13:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: campaign politics -- uggh

OK, HOLD ON A MINUTE...

what's a bat-child?

and how come i never hear abt. these really important events?

- linda  (first tim upsets me w/stupid reality and now kerry confuses me...is
this anyway to treat an old beer devotee??)
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
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Subject: Re: The New Format
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:54:54 GMT
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:32:37 EDT Jamie said:
>Yeah, I agree with all of you, the new format is terrific.
>
>The moderator was horrible. "Since we're short of time, let me ramble on
>for a while, just to hear my voice and try to look cool."

Yesterday's Trib said she was the first minority female news anchor in
Chicago and this was probably why she was given the job...

Today's (Trib) editorial cartoons are excellent:

(MacNelly)

   Quayle (wearing a spiked dog collar, tugging on the leash):
      "WHY CAN'T BILL CLINTON TELL THE TRUTH?"
   Gore:
      "WHY CAN'T Y'ALL SHUT UP?"
   Stockdale (crouched behind the podium):
      "why can't i find the ejection seat?"

(Borgman-Cincinnati Enquirer)

   An inspector talking to a lady as they stand over a meteorite which
   has crashed through the roof onto her husband in the living room:
   "Well, Ma'am, at least the poor devil won't have to choose between
    Bush, CLinton and Perot like the rest of us..."

------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The lesser of two evils is still evil." - Winston Churchill

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
From: PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET (Jamie)
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Subject: New blood, or just blood
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:31:27 GMT
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Yeah, right. Just what we need, is one more person who is a fan
of Rush Limburger, a Christian, and (therefore) "knows" she is
right.

I have no objection to anyone crossposting or whatever. But it's
revealing that the crossposter decided to end his posting with
anti-rational drivel.

We "highly educated" "out of touch with reality" people are just going
to stick this crap in our "RobertCarl" drawer, so it's going to be as if
RobertCarl were posting more often.

"fresh point of view." Sure.

Jamie
From: CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
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Date: 14 Oct 92 06:30:00 GMT
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Herbert Hoover wanted to stop the Depression but didn't want to start a war
to do it?  I know where there isn't intelligent life.

                                        Chris Morrison
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:48:58 -0400
From:         "The Gilded Age is Alive and Well... or maybe it should be the
              Gelded Age" <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Subject

sir i detect a bit of sarcasm.... you need to study your history
the only large group to use non-violence for an extended period of time
were the jews.. thew were killed by the millions 50 years ago
now... if they had fought back with GUNS they might have not been slaughtered
as animals... a peaceful utopia is great.. however it is unrealistic
and being nice and peaceful are not part of human nature... humans are
like mostother animals in many ways.




      John Stith

     "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the
      DEATH your right to say it"-- Voltaire
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Subject: Re: The VP Debates
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:55:32 GMT
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tim.....

   Stockdale is not the professional speaker that quayle and gore are.
 He is a leader... more than they are i would say... because he was
directly responsible for human lives and he took a personal interest in it.
The other two have no concept of what the average individual thinks and does
that is the problem most people have with the major tickets... they
have no connection to the average common man. What ever happened
to Jefferson's "Natural Aristocracy." These guys anymore i think are natural
morons... give me some candidate with substance and leaderhshipi abilities.
Hell... these guys are used car salesmen. Perot brought up a point when
he said that FDR's son served in the military in WWII, now i don't care
whether violence is right or wrong.. that's not the issue... the issue is
that if these guys are elected and are representatives of the people...
then they should do just that... I'm tired of these damned wafflers
aand all of them are guilty. I would give anything if we could have
"Give'em Hell Harry" back...or maybe Teddy Roosevelt.... they were presidents
who took charge. We need leaders not thumb twiddlers!!!


                John Stith@ tired of the same old lines.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:55:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Bloody Nose

        I think the whole thing is totally irrelevant to anything except the
fantasies of a bunch of anthropologists who would love to find a paradise
and stay there until they have a toothache or need an operation.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
Subj:  HooBoy Columbus.
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:00:57 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      the Dan and Al show
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Hi, y'all:
My reaction to the veep debates is pretty consonant with what I've read on
the list this morning, so I won't repeat it all :)  The few things that
stuck out in my mind were:
1)  location -- who'd have thunk that Georgia Tech even *had* a fine arts
center?
2)  Quayle's pre-empting of what should've been Gore's line (there is no
dichotomy between jobs and the environment) -- nicely done.
3)  Gore's lack of response to the character attacks on Clinton -- I
figured he'd have a set response already worked out, one that would defuse
the issue without resorting to name-calling and so forth.
4) my favorite line, from Stockdale:  "Could you repeat the question? I had
my hearing aid turned down."

I *did* like the single-moderator format, but I'm not sure that we'll get
the same kind of lively action in the Pres. debate of similar format.  I
suspect that part of the liveliness stems from the fact that the veep
debates are less important, so there's more room for taking some chances.

But that's just a guess.

Kerry
who's back to the real business of praying for Oakland this afternoon, but
who will undoubtedly be posting on the virtual election soonish :)
From: JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET
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Subject: Re: gun control, kinda'
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:48:00 GMT
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In article <tfilt356148@drew.edu>, Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>
>>All things being equal, each person should be treated equally in a court of
>>law, the victim and the criminal.
>
> But, what does "equal" mean?
>
> Stealing $100 from a poor person affects them more than stealing $1.9k
> from a rich one.  It isn't clear which of these two affects society
> more.  Then there's the thief's point of view.  How should these
> factors be weighed?
>
> -andy

you should weigh each person as equal.  Our laws don't have a Robin
Hood clause in them that say that robbing from the rich is more
condonable because they have more money.  They both have the right to
have their money protected and their safety ensured.  We have equality
under law in this country, and courts have "equal justice under law"
as their motto.  The Central Park jogger's rape should be as heinous
as the rape of a Hispanic bank teller that occurred around the same
time, even if the lack of money or means of one makes life harder for
her.  But we often don't have equal justice, we weigh on the side of
the rich and more middle class types.  Balancing the scales would do
us some good.  The thief doesn't care about the effect on the victim,
s/he cares about how easy the crime is or how much money the victim
has.

         -Joe

P.S. did you note Clinton's support of computerized gun checks so
waiting periods would be unnecessary?  The value of such waiting
periods may be about nil in your opinion, but at least he's open to a
decent (?) compromise on the issue. His talk about assault rifles
probably ruined any minimal gain from this concession in your view
however.  On the other hand, Bush followed
his let's take more rights away from criminals because that is the
problem philosophy.  Someone should tell Bush that urban societal
changes of our recent era is the major reason for more crime, not
following the constitution.
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From:         JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gun control, kinda'
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> The use of a firearm in commission of *ANY* crime should result in the death
> penalty.  The only potential problem I see with this would be the actual
> definition of what constitutes a crime.

> ---Robert

yes the definition of a crime would be helpful.  Usually the death
penalty arises when the crime caused a death or maybe indirectly would
(talk of death penalty for major drug dealers).  Shooting a store
owner in the leg to rob his/her store is using a firearm in a crime,
but the death penalty seems a tad harsh.

 -Joe
From: RHARGIS@UKANVM.BITNET (Rex Hargis)
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Subject: *The New Format
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:32:38 GMT
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Rick,

I don't believe anyone (even the Trib) is making a claim that just because the
moderator got the job because she was a black female that all black females got
their jobs that way.  I think the Trib was just commenting on this one instance

Rex
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and
deserve to get it good and hard."  H.L. Mencken
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:32:59 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the debate thang

>Bush just keeps saying 'trust me, I have the best plan'. You can't
>implement any plan without the help of congress. I think Clinton has
>the best shot at being able to work with congress.

"Work with congress" to do what?  Sure, Clinton and Congress will
agree more often than Bush and Congress.  Whether or not that's good
depends on what they agree on.  There are policies worse than gridlock.

Let's start with Bush's biggest mistake, the 1991 tax deal.  Would
Clinton have made it as well?  Oops.

If you think that Congress' plans are actually better than nothing;
then Clinton is the candidate you want.  If you don't want what
Congress wants to do, then you have to look elsewhere.

-andy didn't watch the debate, but watched some excerpts and comments
      that suggested that the drug war discussion was over legalization
      and that some candidate had taken a "maybe we ought to think about
      it" position.  Said coverage implied that Perot did, but didn't
      provide direct evidence.  Andy wonders why the coverage had that slant.
--
UUCP:    {arpa gateways, sun, decwrl, uunet, rutgers}!cs.stanford.edu!andy
ARPA:    andy@cs.stanford.edu
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Subject: Re: parole
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:18:34 GMT
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From:         Teddy Jack Eddy <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>

>> And how do you suppose we "increase" the sentence of those
>> who do not behave?  Do we drag them through the court system
>> every time they get out of the wrong side of their bed, or do
>> we just rely on the jail-keeper's statement that the prisoner
>> has been naughty and do away with the due process?

> How do we increase the time of those that incite riots or escape?  We
> charge them with the crime and add the time.  Many of the "behavioral"
> problems inside prison would actually be considered crimes on the outside,
> assault, rape, theft and blackmail, etc.  Let's just call them what they
> are, CRIMES.

So if a prisoner shoves another and a mini riot starts, we are
gonna charge them with crimes and will actually waste the court
system time and try to convict a prisoner of the crime of
shoving someone else?

Good for you!

> ---Robert

--KAT
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:34:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Decline of America: Addendum on

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:57:00 PDT harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU said:
>     criminal procedure: the U.S. reserves the right to execute
>     juveniles and to treat them as adults in exceptional circumstances
I remember about 6 years ago or so when there was a 17 year old mentally
retarded boy who was executed despite pleas to the Governor (then Dick
Riley) from even Mother Teresa.  I used to like this guy.  He looked
alot like my dentist.  When I heard he was a Democrat, I liked him less.
When I heard he let be executed a mentally retarted minor, I hated him.
If you are not old enough to vote, you are not old enough to die at the
hands of the state.
-Travis
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:13:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: campaign politics -- uggh

>Hi, y'all.  TGIF for sure.

life has its little rewards.

>Is anyone besides me getting really depressed over the latest round of
>ads and accusations?  "100 leading economists say Clinton economics is bad

its basically what i expected. its depressing as hell, but i've given up
on the possibility that i will ever hear a factual statement in a campaign.

>Is Bush really getting anywhere by talking about Clinton "mobilizing" anti-
>war demonstrations (my d.p. said that Clinton admitted to helping organize
>a teach-in)?  Do we care that he went to Moscow?

does bush forget that this nation was turned upside down because of vietnam?
does he forget that we protested the illegality and immorality of that war?
is he assigning treasonist (is that a word?) status to a rather large portion
of voters?  his campaign has alienated hard working families, single parents,
those of other-than-christian persuasion, and those of us who believe in the
integrity of our own bodies.
hell, its his political suicide-the republicans have lost it.

by the way, i have seen very few clinton ads lately.

in less than 4 hours, i'll be out of here and drinking my first cold one as
i prepare a feast for dear jeff. the kids are at my dad's this wkend so.....

-linda

>Kerry
>who's looking forward to serious beers, ASAP!
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