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From: simon@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Hawkwind
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:31:14 GMT
Organization: One Hundred Pounds Per Second

jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm) writes:

>In article <1992Dec4.065632.11243@muddcs.claremont.edu> dmlieber@jarthur.claremont.edu (Stu) writes:
>>I've recently started listening to Hawkwind, and would like suggestions on
>>what albums I should work at getting first.  I got _Hall of the Mountain
>>Grail_ because Lemmy from Motorhead was in the band at the time and it was
>>used for a low price.  I think I can get the 2 CD live album with the name
>>I think is _Space Ritual_, but I'm not sure if thats the name, for a good
>>price too, and then also _In Search of Space_.  Are either of these any 
>>good, and what others are good. Thanks in advance.

>_In Search of Space_ is from around the same time period as _Hall of
>the Mountain Grill_ (not Grail), and it has some of the same sound. I
>like it quite a bit, perhaps more than HotMG. _Space Ritual_ is from
>a year or two earlier and is supposed to be a really good live album.
>I can't say, since I don't own it yet.

>As for other recommendations, I'd try _Palace Springs_ for a taste of
>recent live Hawkwind. Quite good.

>You may also with to join the Hawkwind/BOC mailing list, which
>is about what you might expect.

"Electric Teepee" (available on CD) is just about the best I've ever heard,
closely followed by the already-mentioned "Hall of the Mountain Grill" (does
anyone know why that one has such an odd name?).


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From: stevep@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Steve Pearce)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Dave Stewart (was Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:01:20 GMT
Organization: SSG/CSY Pinewood, UK
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: Two questions:
:
:	1. How are the Stewart/Gaskin releases ?  Anything like
:	   Egg/Hatfield/National Health ????

I've got the second (The Big Idea) and third (Spin) albums and would say they
have little relationship with the earlier bands. However I would say that they
stand up in there own way. The "Big Idea" album is excellent and quite majestic
in places, "Spin" is almost as good and IMHO is worth buying for the excellent
version of "Eight Miles High".

:	2. In the liner notes (OK, CD booklet) for the Complete National
:	   Health, Dave Stewart said they initially turned down Pip Pyle
:	   because he didn't want Hatfield and the North, MK II.  Isn't
:	   that what he really ended up with anyway ?????  Comments ?????

I feel the first album is quite different to HATN, "Of Queues and Cures" is 
perhaps a regression but still a suberb album (I really like Pips' drum solo :-) ).

Another poster mentioned a third album, I was aware of only two. Could you please
elaborate.


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From: waleed@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Fakhr M. Waleed)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Newbie
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:26:18 GMT

In article <uyJyVB2w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
>gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Dec12.193652.7200@metrosoft.com> I wrote:
>> >
>> > [some stuff about "Lizard"]
>> >
>> 
>> Forgot to mention that this is the one place that I'm aware
>> of that you get to hear Jon Anderson sing for King Crimson.
>> Determining whether this is a Good Idea or not is left as an
>> excercise for the reader. :-) 
> 
>I thought he sang on "Starless And Bible Black" (the album -- not sure which 
>track, but I'm sure SABB was the album)
> 
>--Don
>  very happy that Tower Records restocked the King Crimson section!
>
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Hi
Any body knows where to get King Crimson tapes around Toronto area?

Waleed
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From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Brand X in buffalo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:22:37 GMT

Does anyone Know when the Brand x concert in buffalo is/was?



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From: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Subject: Re: Question for all
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive, alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:44:18 GMT

The difference between progressive, alternative and grunge music ?

1.) Progressive Rock Music is a style of rock music which is often also 
    referred to as Art Rock or Symphonic Rock. It was developed at the end of
    the 1960s by groups like Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson, Emerson Lake &
    Palmer and Genesis and it is characterized by complex musical structures,
    incorporating influences from classical and jazz music. Later Progressive
    Rock bands include Rush, Marillion, IQ and Shadowland, and many, many more.

2.) Alternative Music denotes developments which came up in the 1980s. The term
    is mainly used for punk-influenced music and the so-called guitar bands.
    A prominent example is R.E.M.

3.) Grunge Music : Don't know, I guess something punkish.

Does this help you ? I hope so...

May Elbereth protect you...  Joerg Rhiemeier.
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Dave Stewart (was Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:50:08 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <malcolm.724448213@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
|> Per Peter Frame's Soft Machine and Canterbury tree, the chronology was 
|> something like:

[ interesting chronology deleted ]

Thanks for the information.  Stewart is really the one I am interested in.

Two questions:

	1. How are the Stewart/Gaskin releases ?  Anything like
	   Egg/Hatfield/National Health ????

	2. In the liner notes (OK, CD booklet) for the Complete National
	   Health, Dave Stewart said they initially turned down Pip Pyle
	   because he didn't want Hatfield and the North, MK II.  Isn't
	   that what he really ended up with anyway ?????  Comments ?????

Bob

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
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Subject: Re: Progressive rock Radio
From: galatin@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Peter Galatin)
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:31:16 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <malcolm.724546590@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

|> How about radio in general - are there programs and stations out there
|> that play this stuff? Who? Where? When? I've almost got my lists of 
|> magazines and mailorder ready to post - how about a guide to the vast
|> wasteland of radio as we know it today? 

I think this is a great idea... We certainly do need something like this;
there's so much great stuff out there that I don't hear about until a month
after it's on....


-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Peter Galatin

Internet: galatin@husc.harvard.edu (during school year)
          galatin-peter@mcastl.fidonet.org (during summer)


Tip of the day: If you don't like the food, marinate the hell out of it!

Robert Plant, FEMINIST: "The soul of a woman was created BELOW....."
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From: pardue@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Bill Pardue)
Subject: Re: EMMERSON Re: Welcome back my friends to the rants that never 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:49:13 GMT

Sorry, I accidentally sent my reply to the author...here's the summary:


There's a great "lost" Emerson album called "Honky" on the italian Bubble
Gum label.  He actually *slows down*  a bit and lets the songs work for them-
selves.  Lots of Caribbean influence, even another steal of Sonny Rollins'
St. Thomas.  Much more humor than ELP stuff in general (at least more
humor that works).

I don't have taping equipment at the moment, so don't ask.  Take this on as
a great trek for yourselves!
From: hallg@egr.msu.edu (Gregory Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Yes Union Bootlegs?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:33:49 GMT
Reply-To: hallg@egr.msu.edu (Gregory Hall)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: hallg@frith.egr.msu.edu

Does anyone know of any bootlegs of Yes' Union tour?

Also, where can I get it?

Does Yes have any other available bootlegs?

Please respond to:
Greg Hall
hallg@egr.msu.edu
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From: mpg@iti.org (Martin P. Grueber)
Subject: Re: Question for all
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:54:04 GMT


This general question of the difference between alternative
and progressive rock has annoyed me for a while now.  I for one
see a connection between the two keeping a number of things in mind.

1)  There are shitty bands/musicians/songs in any genre.

2)  If you think about it in the (I guess more 70's) terminology
    avant garde (French for sharp edge or knife edge...remember the
    ELP tune by that name) it is easier to see the continuum.  

We in the S.E. MI and Windsor area have a GREAT radio station 89X 
(88.7 FM) that while "modern" realizes this continuum.  I think
its great that in one hour of listening you can here Elvis Costello,
early Genesis, Pearl Jam, Roxy Music, Talking Heads, and R.E.M.

Maybe I'm too old or too young (depending on your point of view)
but I like them both...and pretty much any thing else in moderation

C'mon how many of you can say you've never cranked up a Van Halen
tune???

Motto for the day:  Progressive listeners should be progressive
thinkers!!  Listen to everything and anything with an open mind!

but I think
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Your mystical thought for the day (ABWH)
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:15:18 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex


Seven Principles of the Order of The Universe:
(1)  All things are differentiated apparatus of one infinity
(2)  Everything changes
(3)  All antagonisms are complimentary
(4)  There is nothing identical
(5)  What has a front has a back
(6)  The bigger the front the bigger the back
(7)  What has a beginning has an end

George Ohsawa
(c) Macrobiotic Foundation, CA

=====

"Sounds like you've been snacking on some of the local mushrooms"

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: abgem@stdvax (Gary Mosier)
Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:04:00 GMT

In article <sr_r_gc@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes...
>After hearing Hillage's guitar work with The Orb and his System 7/777
>project and doing a little asking around, I picked up his album 'Rainbow
>Dome Music'.  It's a great album, but more ambient than guitarry, and I'm
>more interested in hearing the guitar-sounding stuff right now.  Any
>recommendations?
> 
>--
>Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)


Check out "Green" or "Motivation Radio" as examples of his best studio 
guitar work. He also has a live LP/CD out called "Live Herald" which 
includes cuts from those 2 plus his first 2 studio efforts and makes a 
great summary of the early solo years. Some cuts were omitted from the CD 
version, however. If you do like the spacey stuff, then "Fish Rising", his 
1st solo album, is very much a continuation of the Hillage-Gong period ala 
"You", with some Gong members chipping in. Great guitar but lighter on the 
electronics than his other stuff.

Gary (abgem@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: SAGA CD's: help!
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:46:45 GMT

Ranjit Padmanabhan (ranjit@netcom.com) sells through the net and is
very reliable. He has most if not all of Saga's releases, including
imports at reasonable prices. Email him for his catalog & price list.
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From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor)
Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
Organization: Tulane Museum of Natural History
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:14:29 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22294]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu


>A number of folks have given a thumbs up to Kahn: Space Shanty.  It has
>both Hillage and Dave Stewart.  It hails from about 1972, which would
>place it at about the interesting point in Egg (when they developed a
>little emotion).  If my copy would arrive, I would give it a review.

MH> I find this one a little weak, though I love Dave Stewart and
MH> Hillage much. I think it's a little past Egg's time, or just about. 

Don't ask why, but it fascinates me that you don't like this album.  I admit
that it's one of my favorites by either Hillage or Stewart.  Though it's not
as complex as some of their other works (particularly Stewart's), I find the
album to be well crafted and very effective.  I think the title sums up the
entire effect of the album.  =8)

Mike

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From: emp1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Ernest M. Paik)
Subject: Re: Art of Noise (first album)
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:31:27 GMT

ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:


>What was the song the Art of Noise did somewhere in the neighborhood
>of 1983, where the video had them going around in circles attacking
>a piano with chainsaws and a little girl with make-up on saying "Hey"?

"Close (To The Edit)"...wonderful video...



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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Hillage: what I dislike about KHAN
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:10:08 GMT

I causually insulted KHAN - Space Shanty:
>MH> I find this one a little weak, though I love Dave Stewart and
>MH> Hillage much. 

piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor) comments:
>Don't ask why, but it fascinates me that you don't like this album.  I admit
>that it's one of my favorites by either Hillage or Stewart.  Though it's not
>as complex as some of their other works (particularly Stewart's), I find the
>album to be well crafted and very effective.  I think the title sums up the
>entire effect of the album.  =8)

OK, I feel I should explain why I feel Space Shanty is a little weak. 
Keep in mind this is all IMHO, and in general I'm not real fond of vocals
anyway... But it surprises me that so many folks rate this highly as much
liked Hillage/Stewart release... I wonder if partly it's because it's one
of the few places Stewart and Hillage are found on record together? ** 

I listened to this lp again last night to refresh myself with it. Overall
I like it, but I find it one of the weaker Hillage releases for a number
of reasons. First of all and mostly it's the vocals - I'm only fond of
few vocalists - Wyatt, Cale, Hammill are the main ones that come to 
mind. Others like Hillage or Daevid Allen have grown on me a little, but
in general I find lyrics and words to not be a necessary element of 
what I listen to and I prefer instrumental music. This is a pretty song
oriented lp, and Hillage doesn't even sing on all of it - at times it's
the bassist Nick Greenwood, and his voice does little for me. It reminds
me at times of something like Jane or Novalis - bands I like a little but 
never got into much. Overall I find this release to sound very dated, very
late 60's/early 70's, and aside from a few very interesting parts of it
the music is sort of too generic to me. Dave Stewart's organ tone is at
times sort of goofy to me. The vocals sound a bit better at times when
they're doubled either by Hillage and Greenwood singing in unison or 
perhaps studio overdubs of Hillage and Hillage... On a scale of 1-10
I'd give this about a 6 and I'd place FOR TO NEXT a few steps below 
that.    

** BTW, Speaking of Hillage and Stewart together - did you know that in
some of the early BBC sessions that National Health did, Hillage joins
in with Stewart and Bill Bruford! What I heard of this is actually less
interesting than it sounds, in that Hillage is one of two guitars and 
is essentially a sessionman just hired to play a few parts... Maybe
someday some of this stuff will get released on a BBC sessions disc, but
I heard Bruford is against the idea, afraid that releasing stuff like 
this might somehow compete with sales of his current projects. 
 
 - malcolm@wrs.com
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Subject: Re: Internet Radio Station
From: galatin@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Peter Galatin)
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:28:07 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <10194@pyrdc.UUCP>, craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley) writes:
|> And now for something completely different...
|> 
|> Lets us all use our imagination here for a few minutes. Let's
|> suppose that you work at a radio station that is letting you
|> do a broadcast on progressive music and you can play anything you
|> want. What sort of playlist would you come up with that would run
|> for, say, an hour? What would be the theme of your show (Marillion
|> influenced bands? All these songs feature the Mellotron? Japanese
|> progressives that sing in English? Be creative!) 
|> 
|> I'm asking this not because I work for a radio station, but to see
|> what kind of programs people come up with and maybe come up with
|> a good sampler tape of other people's "shows". I'm working on mine
|> and will post it. Have fun!

.... and I'm very pleased you're asking this question because I DO 
work for a radio station and am planning for a "classically-influenced
rock" special next spring.  This is on WHRB-FM, 95.3FM in the Boston
area.

-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Peter Galatin

Internet: galatin@husc.harvard.edu (during school year)
          galatin-peter@mcastl.fidonet.org (during summer)


Tip of the day: If you don't like the food, marinate the hell out of it!

Robert Plant, FEMINIST: "The soul of a woman was created BELOW....."
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From: stevan@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Stevan Vidic)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Boxed Set vs. Studio albums
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:49:18 GMT

In article <42683@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pvallado@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid ) writes:
>Should I get _The Great Deceiver_ boxed set or the three studio
>albums from that era (_Lark's Tongue in Aspic_,_Red_,_Starless and
>Bible Black_)?  Please state the reason for your choice. What does
>the boxed set have that the three studio albums don't have and vice
>versa.
>
>I can't afford both options at this time.
>
>Thanks,
>Paolo


The sound quality on studio albums and boxed set is the same.  Some of
the studio tracks on the boxed set are abbreviated which makes the set
unacceptable to me.  I would always go with original studio albums
because the music is *so* good that you will want to do this sooner or
later.  If you are on a tight budget I would recommend getting the
following albums instead of the boxed set:
1) _Compact King Crimson_ (this will give you all songs but one from _In
the Court of the Crimson King_, a must-have first album; all of the
songs but one from _Discipline_, the best of the three albums released
after the split; and one song each from _Beat_ and _Three of a Perfect
Pair_).  This is a one-CD 70+ minutes compilation that is a great value
for money (you really get two albums for the price of one for all
practical purposes which is important if you are on a tight budget).
2) _Red_ (probably the best album from the second period)
3) _Lark's Tongues in Aspic_ or _Starless and Bible Black_ (it makes no
difference because you will eventually want to have both)

I would also recommend _In the Wake of Poseidon_ as a later purchase, but
would stay away from _Lizard_ and _Islands_.  About the last two, please
bear in mind that this is just my opinion and that some people will
almost certainly disagree.  I find them (the albums) quite different from
the rest of KC music and not easy to listen to (again IMO).

Doing this, you won't get the live CD from the boxed set.  Is this a
problem?  I don't think so.  Want live stuff?  Get the live boxed set.

Regards,
Stevan

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