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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:17:44 -0400 
From: Derek Ting-Kwok Fung <df2q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Tae Kwon Do in Pittsburgh

Hi there!  I'm looking for any Tae Kwon Do clubs that might be in
Pittsburgh.  Can anyone out there help me?  Thanks.

-Derek

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From: jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Martial Artists
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:52:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.155626.22972@unislc.uucp> das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten) writes:
>David Poore (poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu) wrote:
>: \New Dave wrote:
>: 
>: >of fat and protein, usually will suppliment these for the many different
>: >forms of "dofu", or tofu. Milk is subsituted with "dojong" (liquid dofu).
>: 
>: Better yet, get some current nutrion information, and learn about the
>: protein myth promulgated by the Beef Industry. While the things \New
>: Dave says are true (re: tofu being a good source of protein), we require
>: much less protein in our diet than is usually reported. 
>: 
>: David Poore
>: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu
>
>Protein needs are completely dependent on the level and type of activity
>you perform.  I pump iron 3 days a week, and do karate 4 days a week.
>From what I've read my intake of protein should be (and is) around 100
>grams of usable protein a day.  A healthy, sedentary 30 year old male
>probably can get by on 20 grams/day.  Any stress on the body will
>require more, this includes illness, working out, mental stress, 
>growth spurt, pregnancy, menstration, etc.
>
>(most of this is from Power by Fred Hatfield, and Protein by ??? )
>
>Dave S.

Even given protein needs of a professional body builder it is quite
possible to get by on a vegetarian diet, or the other kind
that allows cheese and milk products.  The problem is not that
vegies don't have enough protien, just that it is more difficult
to get that protien out in the right proportions.
I'd recommend getting ahold of at least 5-6 good dietary books
that deal with a vegetarian diet.  The difficulty lies in
balancing the proper amino acids in the right proportions to get
full use out of the protein that you do eat.

more thoughts

Jonathan Smith


ps in case your wondering the Body Builder was
Andreas Cahling (sp??)

I'm sure there are more than just him.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
From: mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:23:15 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta


One good movie that had what I consider the most realistic MA was Angel Town.
Those spinning back kicks went flying but the opponents were not necessarily
down for the fight.  Acting? OK, plot good (it was a someone's significant
other/uncle/brother/father/niece/teatcher/pet goldfish got offed revenge
type movie but not directly.)

As far as Don Wilson movies, he actually has two that are not bad at all.
One of them takes place in a prison (I know, I know, done before) but it is
actually good, it has a hoaky title "Forced Fight" or something.  The other,
"Ring of Fire" is a bit of a West Side Story type.

China Obrian I and II are IMHO excellent. Cynthia R. really shows her stuff.
Tiger Claw with Bolo Yueng sp? and Cynthia R. is not bad but it seems the
producers still don't feel comfy with a strong female lead (good example of
Tiger Claw Kung Fu??)

As was mentionned in this thread before, Jackie Chan's movies have to be
seen to be beleived.  They realy do make Norht American movies seem whimpy.
And most of them don't even have these superman's flying in the air 75 feet
and bouncing off porcelin tea cups without spilling tea kind of crap.

One surprising good movie despite its title is College Kickboxer.  I can hear
you groan all the way here but give it a shot anyways.

Rapid Fire, excellent. Showdown in little Tokyo, Brandon Lee makes it worth
putting up with Dolph Lundgren'excessive narcissim.

Please fogive my indulgence in this long unsolicited post.

Mario Tambay.
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: Aiki in Osotogari 
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:06:42 +0000


In article <1992Oct8.200652.18653@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu writes:

>
>
>nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
>>
>>An example of this can be seen with the technique Osotogeri, which is
>>a classical Judo, Ju Jitsu technique.  I have never come across this
>>in an Aikido environment but it is taught in Aiki Ju Jitsu, but with
>>a strong Aiki element in the technique.
>
>
>   Hmm . . I have serious trouble considering Osotogari an aiki*
>   technique, because of the type of strength involved.  In Fred
>   Lovret's words, "external" muscular strength is accompanied by
>   a feeling of compression, whereas "internal" strength (kokyu
>   chikara) has a feeling of expansion.  This is what I believe
>   is meant by "extending one's Ki" in Aikido.  However I can see
>   no way to "extend" in any meaningful way with an Osotogari.
>   Further, I would argue that one would need both feet on the
>   ground (or kneeling) in order to "extend/expand" in the first
>   place (which implies that most forms of wrestling cannot easily
>   use this particular form of strength, whereas kneeling (suwariwaza)
>   techniques can) --
>
In the main I would agree with you.  I have seen very few people,
including some very high grades, who have been able to do Osotogari
in an Aiki form.  Having said that I have seen two different people
do it and it must have been one of the most devastating techniques
ever!  In one case I was Uke and can assure you that it was Aiki.

I must admit that in some twenty years of trying it I have never
been able to do it in an Aiki form.  It has only ever worked out as
a very soft Ju Jitsu technique, effective only because of dammed
good (or lucky) timing.

>   p.s. Incidentally, Kondo Sensei once said that Sokaku Takeda taught
>        Daito-ryu Jujutsu and Aikijujutsu separately, "in Jujutsu one
>        initiates the attack, in Aikijujutsu one induces the attack" --
>
My understanding is that by the 1850's Aikijujustu was being taught
separately in the Daito-ryu, though was still intergrated in the Hagan-ryu.
I think the description of the difference given above is very good.

Nigel
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:30:13 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <MARY.92Oct12094701@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <POPOVICH.92Oct12031028@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
>
>   >	Can anyone tell me what style of karate Miyagi teaches Larusso in 
>   >the karate kid movies? I happen to watch part of 'Karate Kid III' the other
>
>   I think it's called "movie-do" :-).  If anybody knows about an actual
>   style with any substantial resemblance to the stuff in the Karate Kid
>   movies, I'd like to hear about it, too.  I always wondered if maybe
>   the makers of these movies intended for the Karate to be Goju-like,
>   because they named their "sensei" Miyagi :-).  Of course, what they
>   intended and what actually happened may very well be two completely
>   different things.
>	   -Steve
>
>I heard from somewhere that the fight trainers for the first movie were
>TKDists, but don't quote me on that.  Don't know about II or III.

Snort! Gag! Right, O mohawked one...especially that noted TKD-ist,
Fumio Demura ;-).

The "kata" in the KK movies is indeed a Goju-ryu kata (I think it was seuchin,
but I'd have to look at it again to be sure).  My recollection 
is that the middle third of it was left out in the movie. 
Given that Shito-ryu (the style Demura-sensei teaches) practices
kata from the Shotokan *and* Goju curricula, the inclusion of a Goju kata
isn't too surprising.

The "crane" technique which Miyagi performs while "Chubs" Larusso is busy
drowning is from a fairly rare Okinawan kata (of Chinese origin), named
"Hakutsuru". Only a couple of extant Okinawan styles practice this particular
kata.

I should also point out that the name "Miyagi" is *really* common on
Okinawa - I've met two 8th dans from different Shorin-ryu styles
who had that surname (one of them was my sensei in Japan).

Actually, I'm pretty sure the "bad guys" in the third flick were
TKDistas,  which (he says ducking for cover) seems perfectly apropos ;-).

Steve

PS> Most of the Okinawans I've met who have seen the movies think they're
    *REALLY* funny.
From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:34:15 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <Bw0MH2.F7F@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.142018.20551@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>>Hmmm....Perhaps you can tell us how you developed the method which allows
>>you to tell whether your opponent is MA trained?  I think that would be
>Chances are, a loud, obnoxious, aggressive redneck wearing a John-Deere hat
>isn't going to know martial arts.

Be careful. The ones with the Massey-Ferguson hats usually do. (Hint:
John-Deere hats are green, MF hats are usually red)

Hope this helps.

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:10:28 GMT

>	Can anyone tell me what style of karate Miyagi teaches Larusso in 
>the karate kid movies? I happen to watch part of 'Karate Kid III' the other

I think it's called "movie-do" :-).  If anybody knows about an actual
style with any substantial resemblance to the stuff in the Karate Kid
movies, I'd like to hear about it, too.  I always wondered if maybe
the makers of these movies intended for the Karate to be Goju-like,
because they named their "sensei" Miyagi :-).  Of course, what they
intended and what actually happened may very well be two completely
different things.
	-Steve
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Vegetarian Martial Artists
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:32:50 +0000

Tom Swiss writes
>     Are there any other vegetarian martial artists out there? A friend
>of mine at the dojo, who's a vegan and a rather slender fellow, is
>training for his black belt, and all the instructors are pressuring him
>to bulk up. Any training advice is appreciated. (Especially since it'll
>make it easier when my turn comes!)


Yo, I admit it.


Is your friend naturally thin i.e. has he always been thin. Because
if he is naturally that way I would advise him not to tamper with
his weight. If he is thin because he does not eat properly that is
a different matter.


Personally I have no problem with being vegie (not vegan I eat milk
cheese etc.) I tend to eat a fairly high carbo diet - rice, pasta etc.


Bill Burgar.
From: westreic@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: JEET KUNE DO SEMINAR
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:25:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

JEET KUNE DO SEMINAR

     Sifu Gary Dill is one of the original Oakland JKD School students and has
been a JKD practitioner for the past 21 years. Having served on the Board of
Directors of the JKD society for five years, he is currently Director and Chief
Instructor of the Jeet Kune Do Association.

     Sifu Dill will be teaching punching and striking techniques, footwork and 
evasive skills, kicks and drills, trapping hands and grappling. The techniques
taught will be those developed by Bruce Lee and taught at his Oakland Branch 
School prior to 1973.

     DATE:        Saturday, November 7, 1992

     TIME:        Registration 9:00 - 10:00 AM
                  Seminar     10:00 -  5:00 PM

     FEE:         Advanced Registration: $50.00
                  At the Door:           $60.00

     LOCATION:    Naval Postgraduate School Multipurpose Room
                  Monterey, CA

     INFORMATION: Contact Eric Westreich, 127 Leidig Circle, Monterey, CA 93940
                          (408) 372-1821, westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil



OTHER JKD SEMINARS:
 

    Portland Oregon:          Oct 24, 1992
                              Contact: Dan Beavers
                                       (503) 297-8869
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From: cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:44:52 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <3932@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <Bw0MH2.F7F@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>Chances are, a loud, obnoxious, aggressive redneck wearing a John-Deere hat
>>isn't going to know martial arts.
>
>	That's what _you_ think, bud.
>
>
Or, at least, what he HOPES.
From: pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Under Siege
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:21:27 GMT
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In article <1bfds8INN50e@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
|> 
|> here is a senario i would like s.s. to try for his next movie:
|> set in japan after WWII. american in japan since the 1920's. american wants to
|> open an aikido dojo. local yakuza want a shakedown. local martial artists don't
|> want/like american. lot of tension. lot of aikido, aikijujutsu, kenjutsu, 
|> karate-do. some fight scenes in slow motion. american falls in love with the
|> wife/sister/daughter of yukuza boss. more tension. kind of like _shogun_ or
|> _sayonara_ set in 1945.
|> 
|> now *that* would be a fun movie.
|> 
|> -mukund

if this was set in the 70's, it would sound like what Steven Seagal Sensei
claims his life was like in Japan.

:-)

marciano pitargue
From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:31:06 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <13727@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>    Watching Blind Fury for kenjutsu is kind of like 
>    watching Tampopo to learn about cowboys!  For that 

HAAAAAAAHAHAhahahaha!!!!

I love it!!!

Best be careful, Robert, you might wind up in someone's .sig file with a
quote like that! 

Actually, I think the 'movie-within-a-movie' in Tampopo is about the
hottest thing going.

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu
From: hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kimewaza - "Fact or fiction"
Summary: Discussion about Kimewaza
Keywords: kimewaza
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:52:59 GMT

Thanks for the reaction to my recent posting on Kimewaza (spelled it
right this time).  I'm totally confused, if Kimewaza was simply
developed here, why didn't our instructor tell us right away?  

Here is some information our Kimewaza Sensei, Gudni Gudnason, gave to us:
[Gudni did teach Kimewaza in Sweeden]

KIMEWAZA - SHINKEN SHOBU NO KATA

The true origin of martial-arts [?!], developed in India around 400 B.C.
The art is divided into pure defense and pure attack, shield and sword.
Today only the defense part is exercised.

In Kimewaza one can find moves also present in styles like Kung Fu,
Aikido, Judo, Karate, Ju Jutsu, Tai Chi, Tai-Box, Kenpo e.t.c.
[Just as someone mentioned, a pool of various arts] 7 special weapons 
are practiced in Kimewaza. [...I'm sure "bang-a-head-to-rock" is
there included.:)..]

Shita, Palo and Monika are the first weapons practiced for the bronze
grade. [There are Novice, Bronze and Silver grades]
--

My Sensei said this art was extremely rare, and he only knew of
two instructors in Europe.  One in Paris, the other somewhere in
Eastern-Europe.

He added that Kimewaza was also practiced under the name "White Dragon 
Kung Fu", has anyone heard this name mentioned [or is this just a
fancy name that sounds cool]?

He told us that there was a reference to Kimewaza in a book called:
JUDO [..how many books are there by this title..:)] by R. Bowen and
H.M. Hodkinson.  Does anyone have this book?

Thanks for the info so far,  

| \_______/ | Hannes Hogni Vilhjalmsson
 \ ___ ___ /  hhv@rhi.hi.is
  \   o   /   Computer Science  
   \_/.\_/    University of Iceland
    \___/     -} Eldark {-
From: maarrrk@seidel.ucsb.edu (Mark Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: history of daito-ryu aikijujutsu
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:15:51 GMT

mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:

>Clearly, the Daito Ryu people have a reason to claim an ancient
>heritage.  Also, as you point out, Stevens has some reason to belittle
>such claims.

Stevens devoted a fair amount of space to Daito Ryu history in
his book _Abundant_Peace:_The_Biography_of_Morihei_Ueshiba,_
Founder_of_Aikido_ 

If I recall correctly, he credited Sogaku with being an incredibly
talented martial artist.  It also seems to me that crediting Sogaku
with the construction, from all of his experiences, of a
system as complete and devastating as Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu
is quite complementary.  

Stevens also characterized Sogaku as "not a nice guy," which isn't 
surprising given Stevens' Aikido training and Aikido's philosophical bent.

--maarrrk
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: TACOSA ESKRIMA SEMINAR UPDATE!
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:05:34 GMT



                 SERRADA ESKRIMA SEMINAR BY MASTER JIMMY TACOSA

                            SATURDAY, OCT. 10.
                              
                             11:30 AM - 2:00 PM.

                 LOCATION UPDATE!!!

                   Please note that the location for this
          seminar has been changed to 

                 West Coast Taekwondo School,
                 in the shopping plaza at
                 corner of Sunnyvale Saratoga Road and Remington,
                 in Sunnyvale, California.

         For more information, please call:

                 Brian Laufer:  408-356-5463, 408-446-4656.
                 West Coast Taekwondo:408-773-8095.

                 Cost of seminar: $20.

                 Material covered: Eskrima Empty Hands,
                                   Cadena de Mano,

         Jimmy Tacosa is one of the top Serrada experts, having
         studied from the late masters Angel Cabales 
         Max Sarmiento.
From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Chinese myths
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:35:02 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <MARY.92Oct14134902@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM 
   (Mary Malmros) sez:
> [whackity whack...]
> I thought the kirin was an animal from Japanese mythology...in fact I'm
> sure of it.  Is it also from Chinese mythology?
> 
> The kirin, as I recall, is a horse.  
> [more whackity whack...]

One of our local liquor stores carries Kirin Beer. Tho I'm at home at the
moment (watching Sherlock Holmes) and not at the store, as I recall their 
label has a horse like creature on it. So this Authoritative Source (tm)
would seem to bear out this reference of Mary's.

Rich Travsky                  Division of Information Technology
University of Wyoming         rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu
"We tottered together upon the brink of the fall. I have some knowledge, 
however, of baritsu, or the Japanese system of wrestling...I slipped 
through his grip..."  _The Return of Sherlock Holmes_
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From: taddiken@ms.uky.edu (scott taddiken)
Subject: Re: Striking technique and standing armlocks
Summary: I thought I was discussing grappling qua grappling.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:28:55 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Sigh.  My heartfelt thanks go out to Todd and other aikidokas who give (as
usual) thoughtful responses to my post.

When I said that standing armlocks are almost impossible to get on a standing
opponent, I thought I has clearly delineated a break in the line of thought of
my post.  I was discussing grappling.  I think the possibility of interesting
technical discussions in a "combined grappling and striking" thread is very
real, provided that we have a few proficient, thoughtful, creative people to
post (and I believe we do).

In the section of text above my grappling discussion (which I hope someone
found interesting) I attempted to lay down the gauntlet to the strikers on
this net, to see if they could get out of this net something like what I do.
Can they have fruitful technical discussions?  Will they?  Perhaps it's sour  
grapes, but I'm not sure I care anymore.  I'm a grappler, and I get pretty  
much what I want out of this net (with the aid of the k key).  I suppose the
strikers get what they want out of it, as well, and discussions of striking
and counter-striking technique is just not what they're looking for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott A. Taddiken, University of Kentucky
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:46:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw0MH2.F7F
Organization: Vallen Software

In article <1992Oct12.142018.20551@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>In article <BvzJu6.IKr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>>Are there any good books that explain and depict good combinations using cat
>>claws or sai?  I'd really appreciate it.  My cat claws are coming in the mail
>>in a couple weeks, and I've already made up a few of my own combos which I
>>think are excellent to use against non-MA's.
>
>Hmmm....Perhaps you can tell us how you developed the method which allows
>you to tell whether your opponent is MA trained?  I think that would be

Chances are, a loud, obnoxious, aggressive redneck wearing a John-Deere hat
isn't going to know martial arts.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "F_ck George Bush!!"  --About half the U.S. population
shulick@indiana.edu |
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: mgf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael G Fotiades)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: wanted: tai chi "knife"
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:18:33
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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where can i get a wooden tai chi "knife"?